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From: jswartz@mbunix.mitre.org (Swartz)
Subject: Re: Fischer rumor
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:36:35 GMT

In article <pmanne-240792132512@ma-mac29.uio.no.> pmanne@math.uio.no (Per Manne) writes:
>According to Swedish television, Fischer has agreed to play a match against
>Spassky. The match is supposed to take place in Yugoslavia (of all places!)
>next month. No further details are given, neither is the source. Does
>anyone
>know anything about this???
>--
>Per Manne

I was going to ask the same question.  The following appeared in yesterday's
Boston Globe (7/26/92):

SPASSKY-FISCHER CHESS REMATCH SET

Belgrade - Bobby Fischer, who beat Boris Spassky to become the United 
States' only world chess champion, will play the Russian in a $5 million
rematch in Yugoslavia, nedws reports said yesterday.  The match could
violate UN sanctions against the Balkan country - and that is just what the 
promoter says he wants to do.  Fischer made headlines 20 years ago by
defeating Spassky, then confounded the chess world by refusing to defend
his world title.  He has not played in public since.  Jezdimir Vasiljevic,
the owner of a Serbian bank, told the newspaper Politika that he had put up
the prize money and that he intended the match to be defiance of the 
sanctions.  The New York Times reported yesterday that Spassky has confirmed
that he will take part.  The first games in the nine-game match are to 
begin Sept. 2.  The winner of the match would receive $3.35 million and the
loser $1.65 million, an aide to Vasiljevic said. (AP)




I'm going to try to get my hands on Saturday's New York Times, to see if 
there is any other info worth posting.  Personally, I don't believe it will
happen.  And even if it does, Spassky will probably whip his butt.

--John

 
-- 
JOHN A. SWARTZ - The MITRE Corp. Bedford, MA * John_Swartz@iegate.mitre.org
"One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
 One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them."  J.R.R. Tolkien
From: socwk@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Play
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:37:31 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

Are there email chess games or tournaments?  If so where, how?

						thanking you in advance, Walter
From: tedrick@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: AEGON game (breaking chess programs)
Keywords: Go Bronstein!
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:59:36 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: whistle.berkeley.edu

->GM Bronstein - Heuristic Alpha (round 1)

->1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 B:b4 5.c3 Ba5 6.d4 e:d4 7.o-o Nge7
->8.Ng5 d5 9.e:d5 Ne5 10.Bb3 d:c3 11.Qe2 f6 12.Ne4 N:d5 13.Ba3 c6
->14.Nd6+ Kd7 15.f4 Ng6 16.B:d5 Qb6+ 17.Kh1 c:d5 18.N:c3 B:c3
->19.Rab1 Qc6 20.Qd3 d4 21.Nb5 Rd8 22.N:c3 Q:c3 23.Qb5+ Qc6
->24.Qb3 Rh8 25.Rbc1 Qe6 26.Qc2 Qb6 27.Bc5 Qc6 28.Qb3 Kd8 29.B:d4 Qe4
->30.Qc3 Be6 31.Rfe1 Qd5 32.Rcd1 Ke8 33.B:f6 Q:d1 34.R:d1 g:f6
->35.Q:f6 Bf7 36.f5 Rg8 37.Qd6 B:a2 38.f:g6 R:g6 39.Qd7+ Kf8
->40.Q:h7 Rg7 41.Qh8+ Bg8 42.Rf1+ Rf7 43.Qh6+ Ke8 44.Re1+ Re7
->45.Qh5+ Kf8 46.Qh6+ Ke8 47.Rf1 Rf7 48.Rd1 Rh7 49.Qd6 Re7
->50.h4 Be6 51.Qe5  1-0

What a marvelous game! It looks to me like what Bronstein may have
done is got into such an unbalanced game that the program's position
evaluation function misjudged the value of the position. Also it
looked to me like Bronstein deliberately induced the "horizon effect."

I've been able to break all the relatively easy computer games I've 
played by finding some weirdness that the program wasn't able to 
handle well (backgammon was most similar to the above, I managed 
to get it to think it was winning by playing in an unbalanced
style that wouldn't work against humans). I'm glad a chess genius 
like Bronstein is able to throw chess programs off balance.

-- 
"An army is composed of idle and inactive men. Unless the general has a constant
eye on them this artificial machine will fall to pieces. If my soldiers began to
think, not one would remain. All that can be done is give them 'esprit de corps'
and keep them more afraid of their officers than the enemy" -Frederick the Great
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From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: Alekhine Defense
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:50:09 GMT

mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel) writes:

>Unfortunately, it seems to be a trend for authors
>to overestimate the chances that one gets from the specified
>opening.

I agree. I remember one of Nunn's Benoni books that had me scratching
my head trying to find black's chances in somewhat dubious positions
(some of the head-scratching was collective, with much stronger players
than me who played similar positions).

>It isn't fair to judge the Alekhine through Alburts performance.

I agree. Back when I was playing regularly and following current
Alekhine theory (oh, up to '84?) I didn't like the lines Alburt
played, or the way he played them. I was using Hort's book a lot,
which seemed hard to find in the US.

Bill

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From: ako@jyu.fi (Antti Koponen)
Subject: Re: Alekhine Defense
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:37:23 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.105407.36@swvcc.wvnet.edu> cc3@swvcc.wvnet.edu (Allen Farley) writes:
>Hi!
>
>I'm posting this for a friend:
>------------------------------------------------------------
>What is white's best line against the Alekhine Defense (1. e4 Nf6)? I'd like to
>use your responses in our club newsletter, with your permission of course.
>
>Tim
>------------------------------------------------------------

Definetely 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 and +-

Antti
From: bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer rumor
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:36:52 GMT
Reply-To: bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


Since Fischer's back in the news again, I was wondering whether he's
overcome his neo-Nazism.  If not, then we should all be boycotting this
match.
-- 
bx573@cleveland.freenet.edu----Alan H. Stein----stein@uconnvm.uconn.edu
From: elkies@ramanujan.harvard.edu (Noam Elkies)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: [Castling and] Check
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:58:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Jul24.185834.14145
Organization: Harvard Math Department

In article <1992Jul24.201522.2472@sco.com>
richardr@sco.COM (Richard Robinson) writes:
:In article <1992Jul20.235847.14002@husc3.harvard.edu>
:elkies@ramanujan.harvard.edu (Noam Elkies) writes:
:>[...] On the other hand they would do well to plug another recently
:>discovered hole, this one concerning the definition of check: as the
:>rules now stand, you're in check if you king is attacked by 1 or 2
:>pieces, but not if attacked by 3 or more.  Thus Norman claims a White
:>win in the position WKf6,Qe5,g5/BKh8,Rb7,Bh5,Nb8 with 1.g6?! Nd7+ 2.Kf7+
:>N:e5++ 3.g7+!!? (Kf7 is no longer in check!) Kh7 4.g8Q+ Kh6 5.Qg7#,
:>and Dinort goes one further suggesting that for instance with
:>WKf5/BKe8,Qd8,Bf8,Ng8 White mates in two with 1.Ke6 and 2.Ke7!!?
:
:If the rulebook does not use 'exactly 1 or 2' pieces, or synonymous language
:I would think that being attacked by 3 or more pieces is still being attacked
:by 1 piece.  That is, they are not ruling out the case of being attacked
:by more than one piece.  My default interpretation would be that 'attacked 
:by 1 piece' should be equivalent to 'attacked by at least one piece'.

In that case why bother writing "or 2"?  "Attacked by a piece" might be
interpreted as you indicate, though even that would be debatable; but
"attacked by 1 or 2 pieces" suggests that an attack by more than 2 pieces
is excluded, even if the rulebook does not explicitly say "by exactly
1 or 2" or "by 1 or 2, but not more".  Of course the "1 or 2" is there
because it so happens that one cannot legally *give* triple or higher-
order check --- but as illustrated by Norman and Dinort one can *be in*
such check by walking into part or all of it.  The obvious solution is
to amend the definition to "attacked by one or more pieces" (or perhaps
just "attacked"), and perhaps append a note to the effect that only single
or double check can legally be given in orthodox chess.  [Some dialects
of fairy chess do allow triple check.  This can be achieved for instance
with the help of a Grasshopper: in the position WKf7,Rh1,Bh6,Qf6/BKh8
White's 1.Bg7 is triple check and mate.]

--Noam D. Elkies (elkies@zariski.harvard.edu)
  Dept. of Mathematics, Harvard University
From: mannk@fshvmfk1.VNET.IBM.COM (Ken Mann)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 12:46:07 EDT
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Testing
Reply-To: mannk@fshvmfk1.VNET.IBM.COM
Organization: IBM
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: Usenet 3.0

Let's see if I figured this thing out!

 Shalom!   |   INTERNET: mannk@fshvmfk1.vnet.ibm.com
   Ken     |   VNET:     FSHVMFK1(MANNK)
           |   IBMnet:   mannk@saskatchewan.fishkill.ibm.com
------------------------------------------------------------
               You can only coast downhill!
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From: frants@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Leonid Frants)
Subject: Re: more swimming with fish
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:01:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.070827.11616@cs.brown.edu> jhc@iris.UUCP (James H. Coombs) writes:

>I just got back from two weeks in San Francisco (working most of the
>time).  I did see about five boards down town somewhere, near a cable
>car terminus, I think.  A couple of people had brought folding chairs
>and tables.  Looked like blitz for bucks.  There must be more pleasant
>places to play, and there must be more chess than that in SF.  I
>haven't seen many tournaments in Chess Life for that area (not that I
>really know the cities that are close to SF).  I get the sense that
>Boston offers more chess.  How about those of you down around Palo
>Alto?  Where do you go?  --Jim

We used to go (until a few month back to the Stanford coffee house - there
was always a small crowd of 5-10 chess players). Now it is the Montmatre Cafe
(not sure about the Spelling but it is the same as in the French name) in
Palo Alto which is located on University Ave 2 blocks from Stanford.

On the weekends I saw six or seven boards setup there at once.

Leonid.
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer rumor
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:41:52 EDT

In article <1992Jul27.155804.22874@osf.org>, ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum) writes:
> In article <1992Jul24.211345.26598@cs.rulimburg.nl>, breuker@cs.rulimburg.nl (Dennis Breuker) writes:
> |> pmanne@math.uio.no (Per Manne) writes:
> |> 
> |> >According to Swedish television, Fischer has agreed to play a match against
> |> >Spassky. The match is supposed to take place in Yugoslavia (of all places!)
> |> >next month. No further details are given, neither is the source. Does
> |> >anyone
> |> >know anything about this???
> |> 
> |> Yes, I read it in this morning's newspaper. The arbiter would be Gligoric
> |> (sp?), and Fisher would receive a lot of money (I can't recall how much).
> 
>   I don't understand why anyone (even in Yougoslavia) would pay that much
>   money for a Fischer/Spassky match or ANY chess match, for that matter. Why
>   would they do this? I doubt it will happen despite the acknowledgement from
>   Spassky.
> 
> |> 
> |> I don't give Fischer much chance against Spassky (or any other top
> |> chess-player), although I would like it if I am wrong.
> 
>   Spassky is hardly a "top" player these days. I'd give Bobby a much better
>   chance versus Boris than I would versus Kasparov or Anand or Short. Now
>   they plus Ivanchuck, Gelfand, and of course Karpov and perhaps Yusopov, Shirov,
>   and one or two others are our top players - Spassky is not at their level.
> 
> -Ron

Really! Has been vs has been (they'd kick my dumb ass of course :) . If
Fischer really wants to prove himself, have him play Kasparov, I predict
Kasparov would walk away with it 10-0. Does anyone know what Kasparov
think about all of this?

Maybe there should be a Grand Master tournament to satiate our
desire to know :) Can "Deep Thought" play?  :)

> 
> |> 
> |> Dennis Breuker
> |> (breuker@cs.rulimburg.nl)
From: johnr@cged.co.uk (John Richards)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Alekhine Defense
Date: 29 Jul 92 08:22:51 GMT
Organization: Computer General Electronic Design, Chippenham, U.K.

perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:

>In article <1992Jul28.093723.12747@jyu.fi> ako@jyu.fi (Antti Koponen) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul27.105407.36@swvcc.wvnet.edu> cc3@swvcc.wvnet.edu (Allen Farley) writes:
>>>What is white's best line against the Alekhine Defense (1. e4 Nf6)? I'd like to
>>>use your responses in our club newsletter, with your permission of course.
>>
>>Definetely 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 and +-

>If only life were so easy! 

>Anyone who's interested should definitely see Lev Alburt's book on the
>subject; also, there is a 1977 Chess Digest pamphlet which isn't too
>bad, but isn't nearly as good as Alburt's work (Alburt uses the Alekhine
>as virtually his only reply to 1.e4).

Another good book is the very recent one by Graham Burgess on the
Alekhine's (can't remember the exact title, but it's published by
Batsford). He's structured the material very well. As a result of reading
it, I have started using the Exchange Variation (1 e4 Nf6 2 e5 Nd5 3 d4 d6
4 c4 Nb6 5 exd6) as I like the sort of positions White gets - not the most
challenging line, but it suits me. 

Graham didn't include in his book the 4 pawns game in the Bristol Congress
where I nearly caused a major upset and forced him to take a
perpetual - drat, perhaps I'll be famous one day:-)
-- 
                                      John Richards
From: rezkmah@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Chess programs
Date: 23 Jul 92 07:40:02 GMT

Hi all,
Can I find some info about Grandmasters chess, how powerful
compared to others, runs on IBM PC, where to get it from, and most importantly 
how much it would cost.  I would like to find an IBM PC version of gnuchess as
well.
               Thanks,
             M. A. Rezk
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: de11@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Epstein)
Subject: Re: Alekhine Defense
Reply-To: de11@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Epstein)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:26:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.210417.13415@cco.caltech.edu> cxxh@cco.caltech.edu (Chris H. Hall) writes:

>>Actually, MHO is to agree with you; my opinion of the Alekhine's is not
>>so hot.  However, I was just being a bit more careful, since I'm by no
>>means an expert on it.  It should be noted that according to some
>>discussions I've been having with Mark Ginsburg via email, GM praxis
>>backs up a rather large White edge in the Nf3 lines; he's sending me
>>some stuff through the USnail and I will post a review after I read
>>that.
>
>What about the four pawns attack (1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.c4 Nb6
>5.f4 ... ), has this been refuted or is 4.Nf3 just better?
>
>Chris Hall
>

I have played the Alekhine's semi-religiously from the very beginning,
but even I admit that it's probably not 100% sound. It often gives Black
very lively piece play, though, and despite the considerable amount of
theory dedicated to it there's still room for innovation.

Personally, I love facing the 4 Pawns Attack (if you don't, you shouldn't
be playing the Alekhine's!). I play the 6..c5 line and have never lost with
it. In fact, one tournament game actually went:

1.e4   Nf6
2.e5   Nd5
3.d4   d6
4.c4   Nb6
5.f4   dxe5
6.fxe5 c5
7.d5   e6
8.Nc3  exd5
9.cxd5 c4
10.Bxc4?? 
(expecting Nxc4, Qa4+)
10...  Qh4+  0-1!

The variations after 4.Nf3 are indeed less exciting for Black, and he can
face a dreary struggle for equality if White plays exactly. I distrust the
4..g6 lines; instead, I play 4..Bg4; 5.Be2 c6, and set up a solid center 
after 6.O-O (or 6.h3) Bxf3; 7.Bxf3 dxe5; 8.dxe5 e6. Not many people know 
that theory recommends 6.Ng5 here, and even these lines need not scare Black
too much. If White misses 6.Ng5, he can easily end up with an inferior
position where the 2 Bishops are useless.

BTW, I agree that the Alburt book isn't very helpful; quite a disappointment
considering his vast experience playing the Alekhine's.

David Epstein
From: rcs@CS.ARIZONA.EDU ("Richard Schroeppel")
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Fischer's clock & rules
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:23:43 GMT

What is Fischer's clock?
What time control rules are used with it?

Rich Schroeppel  rcs@cs.arizona.edu
From: ark@alice.att.com (Andrew Koenig)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer rumor
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:45:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23370
Reply-To: ark@alice.UUCP ()
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Liberty Corner NJ

In article <1992Jul31.110012.27561@gdr.bath.ac.uk> mapmef@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M E Fletcher) writes:

> How many Fischer games can you think of where he sacrificed more than a 
> pawn? The only Fischer piece sac that comes to mind is his loss against
> Tal in My 60 Memorable Games.

Well, what about the winning queen sac against Byrne in 1956?
-- 
				--Andrew Koenig
				  ark@europa.att.com
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From: bx916@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ross W. Starkey)
Subject: chess problems at ftp sites???
Reply-To: bx916@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ross W. Starkey)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 20:03:55 GMT

ello, this is my first time posting to rec.games.chess and I have a question
regarding chess problems.  I enjoy working 'elementary' problems (like the
two-movers that you see in some daily papers) and would like to know 
two things:

1) are there any standard computer formats for recording chess positions and
games as computer files, and if so, are there any programs available at FTP
sites that use these formats?

2) are there any collections of chess problems available at FTP sites that 
could be used by chess programs also available at FTP sites?


Please don't suggest I should get a commercial chess game, I have trouble
taking seriously computer chess of go games (I tend to back up every few
moves).  I am more interested in chess problems than in playing whole games
as playing a chess game would probably be too much for my poor undergraduate
brain.

Please reply via e-mail -- I probably will not see the reply if it is only
posted to rec.games.chess.

Thanks very much!

-- 
Whom first, whom later         No one is fool enough to choose war instead of
did you kill in battle,        peace - in peace sons bury fathers, but in war
Patroklos, when the gods       fathers bury sons.  It must have been heaven's
were calling deathward? HOMER  will that this should happen...      HERODOTUS
From: levi@kodak.com (Ilia Levi)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer hoax?
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:20:29 GMT
Distribution: na

Has there been a confirmation from Spassky? I would think that he is the credible
party in this thing.
-- 

--------------------
Ilia, levi@kodak.com
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From: schiller@tira.uchicago.edu (Eric Schiller)
Subject: Re: What is the Colle system?
Organization: Center for Information and Language Studies / University of
	Chicago
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:47:42 GMT

IMHO the Colle is complete crap which should be avoided like the plague.
It is clearly inferior to the Torre Attack because the dark-squared
bishop is confined to quarters for most of the game. Beginners like it
because it is easy to play, since White's plans are so limited as to
give one little to think about.

Bottom line: Not one single strong player uses it.

Go with the torre, which involves the same pawn structure and similar
ideas, but which has been used by many champions and grandmasters.

Eric Schiller
"yeah, I wrote a book on it. so what? I write about all the openings"
From: ace3@quads.uchicago.edu (Tony 'LLama' Acero)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: GIICS has found a home!
Summary: midway.uchicago.edu == permanent home
Keywords: ICS, GIICS
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:21:41 GMT
Reply-To: ace3@midway.uchicago.edu
Followup-To: rec.games.chess
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Version 1.3 of GIICS is available for anonymous FTP at
midway.uchicago.edu in the directory /pub/giics as giics130.zip Be sure
to specify BINARY when downloading it!  All future versions will be
available from this site.  Please send bug reports and feature requests
to me.

Tony Acero
ace3@quads.uchicago.edu
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From: llew@coal.WPI.EDU (Lew Yan Voon)
Subject: Re: Fischer-Spassky II
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:41:17 GMT

In article <PHR.92Jul27125454@soda.berkeley.edu> phr@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul Rubin) writes:
>1. This is pretty interesting.  The match is supposed to last until
>someone has won 10 games, draws not counting.  This could mean
>an awfully long match.  I think the probability of it *starting*
>is quite a bit higher than that of it *finishing* (with someone +10).
>

if memory serves, this is the same type of rule which Fischer
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From: bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein)
Subject: Re: Fischer rumor
Reply-To: bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 01:47:16 GMT


In a previous article, palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane) says:

>Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:21:21 GMT
>Lines: 18
>
>In <1992Jul29.183652.7258@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein) writes:
>
>
>>Since Fischer's back in the news again, I was wondering whether he's
>>overcome his neo-Nazism.  If not, then we should all be boycotting this
>>match.
>>-- 
>>bx573@cleveland.freenet.edu----Alan H. Stein----stein@uconnvm.uconn.edu
>
>This all reminds me of the debate in Israel regarding the playing of Wagner's
>music. Evidently, one must not only be a great chess player, but PC to deserve
>attention.
>
>A great many individuals with despicable viewpoints are responsible for
>great achievements. To appreciate the achievement while being aware of
>the flaws is not impossible.
>
>Paul A. Lane
>
There's a major difference.  Wagner is dead, and for some it may be
possible to separate the man from the music he left behind.  And going to a
Wagner concert would not be financially supporting him.
-- 
bx573@cleveland.freenet.edu----Alan H. Stein----stein@uconnvm.uconn.edu
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