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From: niko@iastate.edu (Nikolaus E Schuessler)
Subject: Re: Mac version of 386BSD??
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:58:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.213706.10326@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> minh@inst-sun1.jpl.nasa.gov (Minh Lang) writes:
>Is there any Mac version of 386bsd (or something similar that runs on the
>Mac)? I would appreciate any info/comments. Thank you.
>

I was seriously thinking of porting it... I however have a 40M hard drive
:-(

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From: mike%jaguar.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Mike Hibler)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: 680x0 version of 386BSD?? [Was: Re: Mac version of 386BSD??]
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:30:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: hellgate.1992Aug20.183009.23587
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Aug20.173817.21681@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> tom@afthree.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) writes:
>...
>NO way!  When the going gets tough, the tough get going!  Besides, there
>is no need to wait, the hp300 stuff in the Net2 code supports the
>HP 68020 and 68030 workstations, so I (We) have a lot more to go with than
>Jolitz did for the 386.
>
Yes, the hp300/hp300 directory on net-2 should give you a running start.
Much of what is ifdef'ed under "hp300" or labeled as "hp300 code" is really
generic 68k stuff (sorry about that!)  The pmap module and assorted VM
related goo should work on a 68030 and, in theory, it would work on a
68020/68551 combo (though it was never tested).  4.4alpha also has support
for the 68040.  The pmap code was oriented toward the lowest-common-denominator
HP MMU which means that many features of the 030/040 MMU are not used.

Of course, this is the easy part, doing device drivers is where you are
going to spend most of your time...

>In fact if I had an hp300, I could just about open the can, heat and eat.
>I get the impression the guys at Berkeley actually had hp300's on their
>desks, but I could just be starting a rumor.
>
68040 based hp300s are currently the main development machines at CSRG.

Mike
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From: news@pix.com (The News Subsystem)
Subject: make(1) bug
Organization: Pix -- The company with no adult supervision.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 14:55:15 GMT

This article was posted to comp.bugs.4bsd many moons ago,
but is still relevant.  The bug is in the 386bsd make, might
be applicable to BSDI's system also.


From: jfw@eddie.mit.edu (John Woods)
Newsgroups: comp.bugs.4bsd
Subject: Bug in make (4.3Reno/NET2)
Date: 17 Mar 92 05:23:43 GMT
Reply-To: jfw@eddie.mit.edu (John Woods)
Organization: MIT EECS/ECF Facility, Cambridge Mass


There is a bug in the new make from 4.3Reno and also present in the Net2
release (as found on uunet).  A command line argument consisting of a lone
dash (-) causes an infinite loop ("make - make" was an excellent test case).

I believe the following patch fixes the bug; it still represents what I
would call unwarranted chumminess with the library.  The fix is to keep
getopt() from being asked to re-examine the - argument, which it will
again call an error and not advance optind past...

*** main.c.orig	Mon Mar 16 20:19:13 1992
--- main.c	Mon Mar 16 20:20:52 1992
***************
*** 280,286 ****
  			if (!**argv)
  				Punt("illegal (null) argument.");
  			if (**argv == '-') {
! 				optind = 0;
  				goto rearg;
  			}
  			(void)Lst_AtEnd(create, (ClientData)*argv);
--- 280,289 ----
  			if (!**argv)
  				Punt("illegal (null) argument.");
  			if (**argv == '-') {
! 				if ((*argv)[1])
! 					optind = 0;	/* -flag... */
! 				else
! 					optind = 1;	/* - */
  				goto rearg;
  			}
  			(void)Lst_AtEnd(create, (ClientData)*argv);

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From: witr@rwwa.COM (Robert Withrow)
Subject: Re: resize swap space?
Reply-To: witr@rwwa.com
Organization: R.W. Withrow Associates
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:06:56 GMT

I got mail from Bill stating that he will eventually make it
available, but he feels the code is not in sufficiently good
shape to do so right now.  He sounds pretty busy (surprise). ;-)

As another alternative, would it be possible for a shell-wizard
to achieve roughly the same results as the install program by
writing a script?  Obviously the FDISK partition work would
require a C program, and perhaps disk IOCTLS need a program do
do it, but the computations labeling and computation seem like
shell fodder...

(thinking about it, perhaps using shell output and DD one could
do the fdisk work without C code?)

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Subject: Re: Restrictions on free UNIX / 386BSD (Re: selling 386BSD)
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 02:46:48 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <1992Aug18.065641.4877@panix.com> tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon) writes:
>In article <9208171721.29@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>In article <PHR.92Aug17112028@soda.berkeley.edu> phr@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul Rubin) writes:
>>>    >... Next, Sun (In Solaris 2), and I believe MIPS ship GCC with
>>>    >their products, in some cases as the primary compilers.  This
>>>    >sort of distribution is not practical for an operating system.
>>>
>>>    And from reading comp.unix.solaris, I get the idea that a number
>>>    of development shops will buy compilers for Solaris 2.0 because of
>>>    the GNU Copyleft.
>>>
>>>The copyleft does not prevent development shops from using GCC.
>>>If they think it does, they haven't been paying attention, or they are
>>>letting their decisions be controlled by paranoid knee-jerk reactions
>>>instead of by intelligence.  I'm sure this makes Sun happy; there's
>>>one born every minute, as the saying goes.  I don't see this as a
>>>reason to let Sun and others make proprietary GCC's.  I can't see
>>>any benefit of a non-copyleft GCC that could outweigh sacrificing
>>>the hundreds of improvements, ports, etc. that people have been
>>>allowed to contribute because the marketroids they work for weren't 
>>>permitted to grab the improvements for themselves.
>>
>>But some lawyers believe that the use of GCC to develop proprietary
>>applications that are shipped "binary only" may be hazardous to a
>>companies legal health.  The GPL has not been tested deeply in court.
>
>And I suppose you don't know about the special license, *not* the ordinary GPL,
>under which the GNU libraries and similar portions of GCC are distributed.  Nice
>try.


I'm not a lawyer.  That's not my job.

Are you a lawyer?

I have looked at the copy of GPL provided with several GNU applications in
the last few days.  It doesn't seem to be consistent.

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From: jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: AT&T vs. BSDI --> 4.3BSD-NET2 distribution requires AT&T license!!!
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:01:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: ksr.14809

lm@slovax.Eng.Sun.COM (Larry McVoy) writes:
>I don't mind the copyrights as long as they don't get in my face.  How about
>one of these:
>	1) #include <sys/copyright.h>
>	2) Put the @%$! copyright at the *bottom* of the file instead
>	   of the top.  Surely the lawyers can't tell the difference,
>	   right?

The problem is that the law basically *requires* that the copyright get in your
face.  The first is not a copyright message at all (which would reduce the
damages collectible in a lawsuit [I think; I'm not a lawyer, and I don't play
one on USENET], but does not (under current US Berne-compatible law)
invalidate the copyright); the second, essentially being hidden, could enable
a defendant to claim they did not know the copyright status because it was
deliberately concealed.

If full-page copyrights on the first screen bother you, write an EMACS macro
to skip over them to the second page.  It isn't that hard, especially if you
only worry about a few stereotypical ones.

You'll notice that books have the copyright notice up front, but no one holds
a gun to your head to force you to read it.
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From: morphy@cco.caltech.edu (Jones Maxime Murphy)
Subject: Re: Endless boot cycle- suggestions?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:48:52 GMT

armhold@action.rutgers.edu (George Armhold) writes:

[infinite rebooting]

Yup! I'm having the same problem with my 486 notebook(16Megs RAM, 60 Meg HD).
I'm not too sure about the innards, but 386bsd claims to see an AHA something
or other, then reboots so quickly I can't see what the heck it's seeing.
Jones
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From: spedpr@thor.cf.ac.uk (Paul Richards)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: com woes
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:13:34 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

I too am a bit miffed that we have to have com1 and com2. We had this
discussion when the linux serial ports were looked at. Personally I
think it's more important to comply with the rest of the unix world than
it is to pacify the DOS users. I'm all in favour of easing the
transition from DOS to unix but they're going to have a bit of a shock
when they find everything else is zero based. They're going to be even
more shocked when they find com1 and com2 don't even exist on other unix
boxes.

This change seems to be causing more confusion than anything else. Those
die hard unix people feel uncomfortable with it and those with less
experience are getting confused by conflicting messages relating to
different com numbers. I think we should change back to zero based com
ports.

Well that's my gripe for the week out the way.
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From: terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C)
Subject: Re: filesystem dissapears
Organization: Weber State University  (Ogden, UT)
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 17:21:56 GMT

In article <GEORGE.92Aug21065529@gloria.csi.compuserve.com> gjones@csi.CompuServe.com writes:
[ ... File system disappears ... ]

It's in the FAQ.  Just type ^C and it'll come back.  Switch to csh (or
anything other than sh) for a permanent fix.


					Terry Lambert
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From: kwan@netcom.com (Kwan-Seng Low)
Subject: Re: resize swap space?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 00:32:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <NOP.92Aug18184816@cf.mankato.msus.edu> nop@cf.mankato.msus.edu (Jay Carlson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.143645.8486@rwwa.COM> witr@rwwa.COM (Robert Withrow) writes:
>   If one of us had access to the source to the install program it
>   seems like it would not be all that difficult to have it ask
>   just one more question (``How much swap space do you want?'')
>   and perform the necessary calculations; and create a new
>   dist.fs with this install program...
>
>   I recall that someone asked for the source.  What became of this?
>
>No answer from anyone.  I'll ask again (silly me for doing it but it
>feels good):  
>
>Does anyone have source to the install program distributed on the 0.1
>TinyBSD disk?
>
>Jay Carlson
>nop@theory.cs.mankato.msus.edu

OK, this is how I did it.I install the tiny386bsd, run the disklabel to increase the swap size, some math is needed .reboot with tiny floppy, run newfs on the
disk( your disk should have the right swap size you need at this stage). Then, I
follow the 386bsd FAQ section on creating the /usr partition procedure, some
minor improvisation. Bingo, I got 386bsd on my disk with ~45 Meg. swap space!

not sure this would help what you asking for??

Kwan
From: martelli@cadlab.sublink.org (Alex Martelli)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: AT&T vs. BSDI --> 4.3BSD-NET2 distribution requires AT&T license!!!
Date: 11 Aug 92 16:13:32 GMT
Organization: CAD.LAB S.p.A., Bologna, Italia

ehrlich@cs.psu.edu (Dan Ehrlich) writes:
	...
:work" as it relates to a copyright.  In the past I have been told that any
:"derived work" is, by law, the sole property of the copyright holder.  If
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
			       ^^^^^^

If so, you have been told HORRIBLY wrong!  But how could you possibly
believe such hogwash anyway???  The copyright in the derived work is
of course JOINT between the original copyright's holder and the author
of the derived work itself.  Did you REALLY believe, for example, that
the movie "My Fair Lady" was the ***SOLE*** PROPERTY of Shaw's estate...?
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From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon)
Subject: Re: Restrictions on free UNIX / 386BSD (Re: selling 386BSD)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:51:16 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <9208162341.30@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>In article <YSDIBS4@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>>In article <PHR.92Aug15214245@soda.berkeley.edu> phr@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul Rubin) writes:
>>>    If 386BSD was copylefted, it would be Linux. It's the absence of copyleft
>>>    that leads to the possibility of more than a bunch of random hackers
>>>    benefiting from it.
>>
>>>Please clarify this.  How is anyone else prevented from benefitting
>>>from it?   Say, for example, the same people who now benefit from GCC?
>>
>>OK, I missed one aspect of this in my previous article. There is a large
>>category of people who now benefit from GCC who would not be able to
>>benefit from a GPL-covered 386BSD. Next, Sun (In Solaris 2), and I believe
>>MIPS ship GCC with their products, in some cases as the primary compilers.
>>This sort of distribution is not practical for an operating system.
>
>
>And from reading comp.unix.solaris, I get the idea that a number of development
>shops will buy compilers for Solaris 2.0 because of the GNU Copyleft.

I'm sorry, that's just stupid.  Is this another reincarnation of the anti-FSF
propaganda line about "if you compile your code with GCC, it's covered by
copyleft!!!!"?  That suggestion is patently false.  The degree to which a number
of commercial software houses are frightened of the FSF is neatly displayed by
the persistence of this absurd rumor.

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From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Restrictions on 'free' UNIX / 386BSD (Re: selling 386BSD)
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:47:26 GMT

In article <PHR.92Aug16221908@soda.berkeley.edu> phr@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul Rubin) writes:
>Tell me more---386bsd isn't copylefted; where can I get a shrinkwrapped
>copy?

BSDI.
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From: terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C)
Subject: Re: Motif on X386???
Organization: Weber State University  (Ogden, UT)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 01:50:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.140857.3882@lgc.com> danson@lgc.com (Doug Anson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug16.210959.17266@fcom.cc.utah.edu>, terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C) writes:
>|> In article <16kt8jINN9so@agate.berkeley.edu> randyc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Randy Yen-Pang Chou) writes:
>|> >Anybody got motif working on X386 with 386bsd?  How's the performance?
>|> >How much memory do I need to compile it(not including the docs) ?
>|> 
>|> You have to have at least the 1.2 Motif sources, and, if you mean "how much
>|> disk" instead of "how much memory", the answer depends on whether you want
>|> .... stuff deleted ....
>
>Motif 1.2 Really? --- 1.1 is running on my 386BSD quite nicely.  I had no
>problems compiling it based on X386 1.2E 1.0.2.  Furthermore I compiled it in
>about 30 Meg space (including install).

I have had problems with 1.1 on X11R5.  These problems went away with 1.2.

Admittedly, some of these problems were related to the Berkeley version of
the portable C compiler's well known pop-order bug and libXt, but some were
decidedly bad interactions.

Are you direct widget-level programming in Motif, or are you using UIL/an
app generator/standard applications?

I also saw problems with menus not coming active unless you let go of the
button popping up the menu, then quickly pressed it again (not in the menu
area) to get the menu selection bar to follow the mouse.

					Terry Lambert
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From: thostr@stud.cs.uit.no (Thomas Strandenaes)
Subject: re_comp/exec() ?
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:07:03 GMT

I can't find the re_comp/re_exec system-calls. I need these to
compile some of the source in /usr/othersrc. Can anyone give
a helping hand here?

//thomas
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From: peter@panther.cosy.sbg.ac.at (Peter Burgstaller)
Subject: Problems with /etc/termcap in BSD386
Organization: University of Salzburg
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:08:00 GMT

I started to install BSD386-0.1 today. After extracting the  
Binary-distribution-files, I tried to edit some files, but
if I do the command vi <filename> then there is the following
message:
can't read /etc/termcap

But the termcap-file in /etc is readable for all so where is the bug ??

Can anybody help ??

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From: bs@Germany.EU.net (Bernard Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: wd1 bad144 woes & workaround
Date: 12 Aug 1992 12:01:25 GMT
Organization: EUnet Backbone, Dortmund, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: walhalla.germany.eu.net

Folks,
having installed Tom's patches to the wd & fd driver, I got another
(ESDI) disk hooked up to my system. Since the second drive has rather a lot
of bad blocks I used a hacked wd driver and "dd if=/dev/wd1d of=/dev/null"
to detect them and then bad144'ed them away.

I also moved /usr/src and /usr/local to the second drive and added a second
swap partition as wd1b. I started running METAFONT yesterday but then
interrupted it (takes a lot of time, doesn't it :).

This morning, on reboot, I got something like
swapon: wd1b: device not configured and mount complained in a very similar
fashion.

Hmpf.

I re-disklabled wd1 and re-redisklabled it so the disklabel was the original
one again. At that point, fsck on wd1h reported corrupted directories
and asked whether or not to repair. I didn't let it; instead I got the
old bad144 information from wd1 and used "bad144 wd1 0 <list of bad sectors>"
and then everything seemed to be back to normal.

Questions:
a) why does this happen at all ?
b) is there a fix ? /* as opposed to my workaround */
c) what *exactly* does the "packid" argument to bad144 do ? Ok, so it's
   supposed to be 0,1,2 or 3 - but what does it do ? Does it have to be
   different from the one to wd0 ?
d) (repeat of earlier article) is there a magic flag to disklabel that makes
   the kernel print out bad sector information for a specific drive ?

BTW it's rather useful to save the bad144 information and the disklabel in a
safe place *before* something nasty happens to your second drive.
In particular, keeping that information on the second drive is *not* a good
idea ;-)

Chers,
	Bernard
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From: jimj@miller.cs.uwm.edu (James Jegers)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: 386bsd X problems
Keywords: X, xterm
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:25:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Aug19.202509.20831
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee


   When I run my 386bsd machine as a regular UNIX box it works fine.
   But after I run X I start having some problems.

   1.  If I have getty enabled on the other com port the mouse
   only sends events after you press a key..(I've installed the new
   com driver by Chris)

   2.  xterm works when ran as a regular user, but if you run it as
   root it comes up and then dies, no error messages.  The program is setuid
   root.

   3.  The X sometimes hangs the machine and I have to reboot.

   4.  The su command sometimes hangs.  Putting printf's in the code, it seems
   to be hanging in the syslog part. Either at openlog or at one of the 
   other log statements.  syslogd is running and it does log messages, so 
   it works..  Also xconsole is running, but I dont' know if that is 
   affecting it.

   Thanks for the help.

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