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From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: STZIP.. is the latest version here yet?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 00:00:11 GMT

In article <1jn10rINN87b@golem.wcc.govt.nz> wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>> On a related topic, please do not upload .ZIP files to atari.archive,
>> as we do not have the facilities on the archive machine to check them
>> for errors and so on.  If your favorite new program came in a ZIP
>> archive, please re-pack it into ARC, ZOO, or LZH format before
>> uploading it to atari.archive.
>
>What a nuisance!

That's life.

I can't run Sudden View, or Cal 6.3 when I'm working at the
university.  That's a nuisance too.

>What percentage of files are ever corrupt any-way!?  I've had problems
>with about 2 files I've gotten from a.a  and that's just because
>I had the wrong version of the de-archiver!

That's because the "Terminator Team" is able to check over the files
due to them being in "appropriate format", so that they can gripe at
the people that sent in corrupted files.

Since, I gather, they don't have a version of ZIP running at the
archive, it makes it rather difficult to even see if there's actually
anything IN a .zip file.

If you make THEIR life easier, by complying with THEIR requests, it
makes the operation of the archives easier and quicker, which means
that more files get put in their places sooner.  I like THAT
arrangement.

If you want them to use ZIP, then I suggest that you find a source
code version that will compile under UNIX, and send them a copy.
Otherwise, forget it.

-- 
Christopher Browne                |     PGP 2.0 key available
cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca           |======================================
University of Ottawa              | Genius may have its limitations, but
Master of System Science Program  | stupidity is not thus handicapped.
From: lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: A1200 versus Falcon 030 once again (FAQ?)
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:03:23 GMT
Organization: University of Westminster
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

s914534@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (UT) writes:
: jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no (Joern Moe) writes:
: 
: >These days the atari and amiga people are arguing which computer have 
: >the fastest cpu (Falcon 030 versus A1200). The 68030 have better performance 
: >than a 68020 when placed in an equal arcitecture. Additionaly the A1200 runs
: >at 14.4 Mhz, wheras the F030 runs at 16Mhz (i realy think its 16.01xxxMhz)
: >giving it a extra 10% over the A1200. Summing it all up, my bet is that
: >this is a dead race!
: 
: Shouldn't that be 16Mhz - 25% ?
: 
: Also the Falcon doesn't have the custom graphics chips that the 1200 has,
: so its going to be slower still. Remember the ST 68000 was faster than the
: the 68000 used in the Amiga - yet most Amiga games ran faster than their ST
: counterparts - because everything had to be done by the CPU in the ST.
: 
: I can't see much changing - musicians will go for the Falcon, the general 
: public will go the 1200. In Europe its the games that sell machines, and 
: with its better graphics specifications, Atari marketing and the well known
: Amiga name, the 1200 will wipe the floor with the Falcon (when/if it becomes
: available).

Right on!  I wouldn't be suprised if in 18 months from now Atari will be no
more.

Will
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: elric@nx35.mik.uky.edu (chris dotson)
Subject: Re: All these wars...
Organization: University of Kentucky
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:19:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.112702.24279@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Leo Hendry) writes:
>****************** CREATE comp.sys.atari.st.advocacy NOW ********************

You know, not to start flame wars about the solutions to flame wars, but
this strikes me as a very bureaucratic notion:

     "Throw more [money|time|oranges|newsgroups|bullshit] at the problem
     and it'll go away!"

I guess if it's the only way to solve the problem...  But that's sad, y'know?



--
Elric
Chris  Dotson - elric@mik.uky.edu

"If it ain't broke - mess with it until it is.  Then fix it."    -Me
From: michael.smith@f842.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (michael smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Can I run an ST or a Falcon as X-terminal?
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au
Date: 23 Jan 93 10:52:26 GMT

Original to: uucp
In a message of <16 Jan 93 19:02:18>, Uucp (3:713/602) writes:

 >> I could probably obtain the cash for a Falcon if the technology
 >> existed to make it into an intelligent X-terminal. Anybody know about
 >> Falcons and Ethernet cards and X-server software.
 U> 
 U> No-can-do on a Falcon...  No VME slot for the Ethernet card.  Rumour has
 U> it that there are VME Ethernet cards for the TT and even an X server,
 U> but nobody seems to have been able to find out concrete information to
 U> add to the FAQ...
 U> 
 U> In North America, you'd be completely out of luck, unless you could read
 U> German and wanted to order the goodies from overseas.  Rumour has it
 U> (hmm, not rumours... not here in c.s.a.st!) that there are about 300 TTs
 U> in all of North America.

If somebody would release information (read hard data/source code) on NCD's
Xremote we might have a chance.  As it is, ethernet hardware is _expensive_
-it's only the huge volumes associated with the PC market that make the low
prices possible.

 U> --- Chris Herborth

\`miff`                                                       /|\

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cpb1001@cl.cam.ac.uk (C.P. Brown)
Subject: Re: A1200 versus Falcon 030 once again (FAQ?)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:21:38 GMT

In article <C1GrMM.C2C@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk>, mapmh@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (Mark Hagger) writes:
|> In the referenced article, s914534@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (UT) writes:
|> >jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no (Joern Moe) writes:
|> >
|> [deletions]
|> >
|> >Also the Falcon doesn't have the custom graphics chips that the 1200 has,
|> >so its going to be slower still. Remember the ST 68000 was faster than the
|> >the 68000 used in the Amiga - yet most Amiga games ran faster than their ST
|> >counterparts - because everything had to be done by the CPU in the ST.
|> >
|> Depends what you mean by most?  Granted anything that was sprite based
|> run a damn site faster on an Amiga, but anything that was processor
|> intensive like any 3d simulations or other such interesting games
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not strictly true, the custom chips can be used to draw polygons in hardware,
much faster than the main processor can. Most of the 3D stuff that ran slowly was
ported ST stuff, which wasn't reprogrammed to take advantage of the graphics
processor :-)

Chris Brown
From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Why Atari can't succeed in the United States
Date: 23 Jan 93 18:23:40 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <1993Jan23.012246.8736@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> brayl@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Rayl) writes:
>
>Perhaps you haven't heard that Toy R Us has dropped the Lynx?

Has this actually been confirmed, or is it just a rumor that everyone keeps
repeating, therefore making it true?  On Christmas Eve, the Toys 'R' Us down
the block from me had tons of Lynx stuff.


-- 
   |||    Ed Krimen
   |||    ekrimen@wet.uucp
  / | \   E.KRIMEN (GEnie)
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Leonoids (game for Dave Baggett)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 00:40:42 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1jl2ivINNer3@life.ai.mit.edu>

Heh..   at one time I seriously considered doing a game to be
titled "Escape from Rockville"...
 
Starring none other than "Neil Harass", and his willing
puppet, "Darling"...
 
But then I decided I had better things to do...
 
Hmmm... but then again, with Game Workbench...
 
                                                         :)
BobR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: PC Bigotrynex  ADVOCACY (for .killrc)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 00:30:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.192029.5021@exu.ericsson.se> exuhag@exu.ericsson.se writes:
>John Hutchinson writes:
>>
>>We suffer flame-wars evidently because so many people are
>>emotionally insecure and need constant assurances that the choices
>>they make in life are, in fact, "good" ones.  This little quirk is
>>commonly known as "cognitive dissonance" as is quite common among
>>younger, less mature individuals who have not yet learned how to
>>cope with their own feelings, much less coexist with others.

Did you study psych, John?  You seem to know the right terminology...
You ARE quite right about the reasons for flame wars.

The other "half" of the reason is the fact that a forum like Usenet
doesn't "punish" people very much for making mistakes - not even BIG
ones like saying that my computer is...<omitted>

People can flame away, and the only feedback comes in the form of
electronic signals on one's terminal.

People will say things on the net that would get them SERIOUSLY beaten
up if it was said face to face.

>I've noticed that all the snippets of wisdom accumulated over the millenia,
>all the valuable lessons people have learned time and time again, have been
>completely forgotten by the vast majority of computerphiles.  It is completely
>amazing to me that so many people are running around under the impression that
>people should be judged by the type of computer they own or language they
>choose to program in--and that money _can_ buy happiness and bigger _is_
>always better.

There's so many that have SO much technical knowledge about some areas
of computing, but don't know anything about anything else.  What's
almost worst is that sometimes they're most blind to knowledge about
things that are STRONGLY related to their expertise.

>I have run into many people who flagrantly brag that they own a 66
>MHz 486.  That really is pathetic when you stop and think about it. 

Yup, it IS pathetic.  For that kind of money I'd get one of the
low-end Sparc systems, and run rings around those 486es.  :-)

>Hey, this stuff is supposed to be fun.

But you may be missing the point that to many people, flaming IS fun!

I don't have time for it, and on those occasions that I do flame
people, it means that they really HAVE raised my personal ire.  That
rarely happens in "technical" areas.

-- 
Christopher Browne                |     PGP 2.0 key available
cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca           |======================================
University of Ottawa              | Genius may have its limitations, but
Master of System Science Program  | stupidity is not thus handicapped.
From: ersmith@netcom.com (Eric R. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: MULTI-TOS release, when did it happen ??
Keywords: TOS
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:28:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Jan26.002814.5051
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <ebeling.15.0@theo.physik.uni-bremen.de> ebeling@theo.physik.uni-bremen.de (Walter Ebeling) writes:
>Bob Brodie announced a MULTI-TOS release some time ago. When did it happen, 
>or did I just miss this important day ?

MultiTOS has not been released yet.

I should also point out here that the pricing and distribution methods
for MultiTOS have not yet been finalized. Bob Brodie expressed *his
personal opinion* on how *he* would like to see MultiTOS distributed,
and he was definitely not promising that MultiTOS would be free.

(Don't bother telling me your opinion: I have no influence on the
decision. I only work here :-) )

Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: grier@bnr.ca (Brian Grier)
Subject: Re: Recommended Falcon monitor?
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:52:58 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research

> You can use any kind of multi scan monitor to connect it to the FALCON.
> This monitor will be able to show all non-interlaced resolutions.
> 
> It could be possible that the interesting resolution 640x400 truecolor inter-
> laced can not be shown on any kind of VGA-monitors. For this resolution
> you will probably need a normal TV.
> 
> -- 
>            Harald Schoenfeld            |            I'm sorry Dave,       
>    (hs@cnve.rrze.uni-erlangen.dbp.de)   |      I'm afraid I can't do that. 

I would not recommend a multi-sync. Just get a VGA monitor. Once you
start using the higher resolutions you rarely go back to any ST
resolution. On my TT, the only time I switch to an ST resolution is 
to run CAD-3D V2.0. Otherwise I stay in TT medium resolution. 

I spent a considerable amount extra on a multi-sync monitor, and I
did not need to.

Brian, WS1S (ST/TT User/Developer)
Bell Northern Research
Research Triangle Park, NC
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: nino@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Marinos Yannikos)
Subject: Re: PC Bigotrynex
Organization: TU Wien, Vienna, Austria
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:10:37 GMT

Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
: [...] 
: Yes, I own PC compatible computers, but I also own an Atari ST,
: which is part of a dying, sickly market, and it appears I'm
: engaged in several flamewars with people who seem to think that
: spreading misinformation about other brands of computers is
: somehow going to make everything in the Atari market suddenly
: turn around and become respectable again.

Well, you're also engaged in flamewars with persons who haven't spread
misinformation about other brands of computers but are getting tired of
reading dozens of postings that don't contain anything useful for this
newsgroup...

: BobR

-MY

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: coonstot@quads.uchicago.edu (charles orville onstott)
Subject: Computers are worthless.
Reply-To: coonstot@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 10:48:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.191424.13870@bsu-ucs> 01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>> .
>All computers suck.  Everyone should dump them and invest in an abacus,
>slide-rule, and a shit-load of filing cabinets!

I second that!  Just imagine the benefits:

   1.) No more hassels with porting software between platforms.
   2.) No more hassels reading flame wars over whose platform
   is the best.(so that we can port from it anyway)
   3.) No more wrist problems, eye problems, social problems.
   4.) No more hassels over whether you have TOS, Unix or NOT[x].
   5.) Addendum to 4: No more mind boggling recursive aliases(Mint, Gnu)
   6.) No more worries over whether the $$$ you just shelled out
   on the latest software or hardware will become wasted in 30 mintues. 
   (For those using Apple's, etc who boycotted the FSF)
   7.) Sleep would become an actual possibility.
   8.) No more fears of an impending global nuclear war
   because some kid nick-named "Terminator" hacked a little too much.

>				-Matt

BCnya,
  Charles O. Onstott, III

p.s. I forgot to mention:  no more hassles about 'hassels'
being sent world-wide within a 24 hour period which indicate
that one is a sloppy typer.
-- 
Charles O. Onstott, III                         (coonstot@midway.uchicago.edu)
Graduate Student in Religion and the Human Sciences
The University of Chicago Divinity School
        "[T]he problem of history cannot be solved by avoiding it." (B. McGinn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: nino@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Marinos Yannikos)
Subject: Re: RayShade on Atari?
Organization: TU Wien, Vienna, Austria
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:01:57 GMT

wbdst+@pitt.edu (William B Dwinnell) writes:
: 
: For that matter, has anyone compilerd (sorry, I meant 'compiled')
: PoV for the Atari?

Sure, with GCC and MiNT it's just compile-and-run, I even wrote a 
simple converter for the MTV-compatible .RAW output (which can
be displayed with Photochrome)...

-MY

PS: Great raytracer, but unfortunately it's not allowed to spread
	it in compiled form...
From: cordes@ac.dal.ca (John Cordes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: STalker vs Uniterm?
Keywords: stalker,vt100
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:14:23 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <3_800_842_fidonet2b57bb25@Kralizec.fido.zeta.org.au>, michael.smith@f842.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (michael smith) writes:
> Original to: ken@isgtec.com
> In a message of <10 Jan 93 05:43:54>, ken@isgtec.com (3:713/602) writes:
> 
   <material deleted>

> If you only have an ST, use Uniterm, you don't have the speed or need for
> anything more.
> 
> If you have a Mega STe, an accelerated ST, or a TT, use either STalker
> (whose VT100 is pretty good when you set it up right, particularly if you
> disable it's default behaviour of clearing the history buffer on a
> clear-home) or CoNnect, which is as close to flawless as I have ever seen a
> terminal emulator get.
> 
  I like STalker very much, but I do find the occasional clearing of the 
history buffer to be a nuisance. It seems to me that Eric R./Gribnif 
claimed that it would be too hard to detect the control sequences that do 
that, when running in VT100 mode; do you know of a way to overcome the 
problem? Thanks.

John
From: mattias@tse.uucp (Mattias Hembruch x0830)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ADVOCACY: Re: a blurb
Keywords: PC piracy
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:50:52 GMT
Organization: Toronto Stock Exchange

In article <C12uG0.JsD@ecf.toronto.edu> alrashi@ecf.toronto.edu (AL RASHID SHAHIR) writes:
>
>That was my whole point. Who cares about the PERCENTAGE? Does percentage give
>any kind of indication how much money is being lost? Jeez, now you went and
>made me break my own rule... And by magnitude, I used the accepted worldwide
>meaning: "absolute number"---> in this context. Go check a dictionary or 
>something...sheesh. Please, please read my posts more carefully next time.

While it is true that more money is being lost due to Piracy on the PC, it is
also true that more money is being MADE through software sales.. 

And it would seem that the money being lost due to Atari piracy is MUCH MORE
important to those companies than the money lost due to PC piracy.. How many
software houses have STOPPED producing for the ST and are still going for the
PC?? How many gave up the PC to join the 'lucrative' ST market??

You are correct in your statement that in terms of absolute numbers, the
PC market is far worse than the ST market.. 
Your mistake is in the psychotic delusion that this fact has any useful value
whatsoever..

"1000 GM cars blow up spontaneously every year killing the passengers, while
only 5 Ladas blow up every year." 

"REALLY?? I'll Take a Lada!!"

"btw, did I mention that GM puts 10 million cars on the road every year and
Lada puts out 7?"

"No, but since the GM value is SO MUCH MORE in terms of absolute value, I'm
sure I'm better off with a Lada!!"

Here - have a Lada on me!! (or at least label your posts with a subject of
"TOTALLY IGNORANT LIES" so I can KILL them..)

Mattias

-- 
Mattias Hembruch
>> My views do not necessarily reflect those of the TSE. <<
E-mail: mattias@tse.asd.tse.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Jeoff Hines)
Subject: If .AU file is 12 bit, what happened to 4 extra bits?
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 20:17:54 CST

  While trying to convert an .AU file to something my Replay 4 cart. could
handle, I asked for help converting the file here on the net.  One of the
replies (sorry I lost your name) told me that the .AU file is a 12 bit
Sparc station file.  If such is true, then when I ran the DIGISTUFF convertor
file that turned it into an 8-bit unsigned .SND  file, why wasn't the file
size cut down by 30%?  (In fact, it was the same size!)  If there is some
funny math going on,  where might I find a 12 bit sound player to take
advantage of the extra sampling?  Or was that somehow done by the convertor?
The converted sound quality is on par with what I expected from an 8000 HZ
sample comprised of only 1.2 Meg, but lasting 6 minutes.  Is a Sparc
station's reproduction really supposed to be that much better?
Jeoff Hines                                        c556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: m92mmy@tdb.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg)
Subject: Re: ADVOCACY: Re: FALCON is DEAD!
Organization: His Own Place
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:26:29 GMT
From: dxo@cs.bham.ac.uk (David Oakley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: meta-RFD.comp.sys.atari
Date: 25 Jan 93 10:34:43 GMT
Organization: ASTRAsoft, Stoke-On-Trent England.

I put my backing to David Paschall-Zimbel's reorganisation of the atari
newsgroups. Thanks to all those who posted reactions to my mailing, and I've
passed these on to David so hopefully when he comes up with the Request For
Discussion he'll already have a large base of support.

Thanks, and got for it David!

David Oakley
                                                                   .___ .
David Oakley, ASTRAsoft shareware producers for the ST            //_ //|
6 Watlands Rd   | "I was in love, once. A ZX81. People said,      || || |
Bignall End     | 'No, Holly, she's not for you.' She was cheap,  || || /\_
Stoke On Trent  | stupid and wouldn't load - at least not for   _/|| ||\_/ |
ST7 8QQ England.| me, anyway."			     Red Dwarf |_/ |_| \_|/
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: PC VS ST
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 22:55:54 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
 ac.uk> <1993Jan19.005142.13777@bsu-ucs>
  <73872@cup.portal.com>,<1993Jan19.192525.13821@bsu-ucs>
  <1jkf88INNr5j@golem.wcc.govt.nz>

Steve Wells writes:
[A lot of good applications for a Digital Signal Processor]
 
Except..
 
>Co-Processor.  Programs should be able to use it as a secondary processor
>to speed up a lot of operations.  (e.g.  A MUCH enhanced blitter etc.)


A DSP has a VERY limited instruction set, highly optimized toward
multiply and shift operations, the kinds of things you'd want
to do to a stream of real-time signals (ie: audio or video)
 
It CAN'T do the things a math-coprocessor can do, so its use
as a "co-processor" would be extremely limited.
 
It would be almost worthless as a graphics blitter in addition
because it has a limited memory space available to it, and has
no direct access to video memory.  All I/O would have to be done
over the bus, ie, too slow for much use as a graphics blitter.
 
>Parallel processing (ahem 8-)  Running (from memory) 3 processes in
>parallel (at the same time).  Giving high quality multi-tasking
>capabilities if it's used correctly!

Only if the process (DSPs don't multitask, it would be pointless
on a chip designed for highspeed manipulation of data streams)
was something useful.  If it was doing something like processing
video data while the main CPU ran something else, it could
be called parallel processing, but you couldn't do anything like
running two general purpose programs in parallel.
 
(DSPs could of course be run in parallel, if the computer was
designed to handle more than one.)
 
All the other applications mentioned would make good use of
the specialized power of the DSP.
 
BobR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: nino@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Marinos Yannikos)
Subject: Re: STOS_3D_Manual?
Organization: TU Wien, Vienna, Austria
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:57:16 GMT

e90-frt@tekn.hj.se (TOMAS FRIDN) writes:
: I'm looking for manual to STOS 3D.
: 
: Both a manual for the creator and a list on
: all commands.

Erm... pardon my ignorance, but isn't that a bit illegal? 
I know the copyright law in Sweden isn't up to eg. the US
standard, but then you shouldn't ask here on Usenet, where
the whole world can read it!
(I assume you haven't got the original, ignore this if I'm wrong)

-MY