From: gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.misc
Subject: Re: Callable Notes question.
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:58:00 GMT
Reply-To: gavron@ACES.COM
Followup-To: vmsnet.misc
Organization: ACES Consulting Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

I'm going to steer away from the insulting verbiage, because I believe
Dick truly believes he's right and isn't being any more insulting than
I was:

In article <1992Oct14.000835.4642@dmc.com>, munroe@dmc.com (Dick Munroe) 
writes...
#In article <13OCT199203395199@spades.aces.com>, [I wrote:]
#> 
#> Paul was right, it is gotten from SYS$NODE... It is easy to verify this:
..
# 
#What in the world makes you think I DIDN'T try this? 
..
#To produce a counter example for your statement:
# 
#HULK::USER1:[..CODE1]$ sho log/full sys$node
#   "SYS$NODE" [exec,crelog] = "HULK::" [terminal] (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
#HULK::USER1:[..CODE1]$ define/system/exec/trans=terminal sys$node foo::
#%DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of SYS$NODE has been superseded
#HULK::USER1:[..CODE1]$ sho log/full sys$node
#   "SYS$NODE" [exec] = "FOO::" [terminal] (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
# 
#after creating a new note in a local notes file:

[Then he shows how the note still reads HULK::user instead of FOO::user]

	It probably wasn't a local (on your same node) notes file.

#Note 3.0                              test                           No replies
#HULK::MUNROE                                          2 lines  13-OCT-1992
#    this is a test
#--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
# 
#Note that HULK is STILL present in the topic header, clearly indicating that
#the translation does NOT come from SYS$NODE.

Watch:
VESTA:[GAVRON]_sho log/full sys$node
   "SYS$NODE" [exec,crelog] = "VESTA::" [terminal] (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
VESTA:[GAVRON]_notes/inter=char
Notes> Notes> open sample
Opening conference NOTES$SAMPLE
Note 1.8                      Welcome to VAX Notes                       8 of 8
VESTA::GAVRON                                          1 line  14-OCT-1992 10:
48
                                  -< testing >-

VESTA:[GAVRON]_def/sys/exec sys$node "DICK::"
Previous value of SYS$NODE has been superseded
VESTA:[GAVRON]_notes/inter=char
Note 2.2             Choosing an editor to use in VAX Notes              2 of 2
DICK::GAVRON                                           1 line  14-OCT-1992 10:
49
                             -< you're wrong dick >-
VESTA:[GAVRON]_sho log sys$Node/full
   "SYS$NODE" [exec] = "DICK::" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)


	Works for me.  

#So, as usual, Ehud shoots his mouth off and gets it wrong.
	
	I shoot my mouth off, but I don't get it wrong.  That's why
	they keep giving me paychecks and atto'boys [10**-18 pats on back]

#Clearly something is going on that neither one of us understands completely.

	It makes perfect sense, as shown here.
	When accessing a notes file on the SAME NODE, the nodename field
	is filled by the translation of SYS$NODE in executive mode.  The
	terminal attribute is not relevant.

	When accessing a notes file on a remote node, the nodename field
	is filled by the remote ncp database translation of the DECnet
	connection address.
	
#Now I haven't tried actually creating the logical using the SYS$CRELOG system
#service, but that's because I haven't got any documentation old enough to
#refresh my memory of the interface.

	It's not necessary.  You had the right logical, but not a local
	conference...

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	Ehud

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