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From: dxxb@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Barts)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Death Penalty
Date: 7 Jan 1993 05:58:07 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: pnw
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

sjm2458@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (The Steve-meister) writes:

> [edited]
>Additionally, I don't think that there is any deterrent effect as long
>as capital punishment is carried on behind closed doors, "sanitized"
>for the public.

If you look at the statistics for things that are capital offenses in
the US, and compare them with the civilized first world countries, you
will find out that you are right.

And when England publicly executed its criminals, more pockets were
picked at the public hangings of pickpockets than at any other time!

Works equally lousy as a deterrent in either case.

However, I share your contempt for those people who support capital
punishment and yet are too childish and immature to want to view
the consequences of what they advocate.
-- 
David Barts  N5JRN                      UW Civil Engineering, FX-10
davidb@ce.washington.edu                Seattle, WA  98195
From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Disco Lives!
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:21:00 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

In article <1iid63INNopi@shelley.u.washington.edu> monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan ) writes:
/From an ad in the U of Washington student newspaper:
/It's a DISCO PARTY with DISCO LIGHTS DISCO MUSIC and a VILLAGE PEOPLE film.

Hey, I like Disco, and even the Village People!

(P.S. I loved the ad TNT ran for their Hercules movie marathon, all set to
the Village People's song "Macho Man"!)

I figure all my old 12" disco singles will be worth some Big Bucks some day
as collectors' items, because everyone else broke theirs!
From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Incredible Universe
Date: 10 Jan 93 00:51:55 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner) writes:
/ Incredible Universe is controversial here because they won't let you in
/ without a membership card, which they issue.  The application form
/ requires you to give quite a bit of personal information.  You must use
/ this card each time you make a purchase, so IU can keep a complete list
/ of everything you've bought.  Speculation is that they turn this
/ information into targeted marking lists.

I don't really understand why this is controversial. I would just refuse
to shop there if I disagreed with their policies. It would only be
controversial if I was forced to shop there.

I once tried to buy some expensive electronic equipment with a credit card.
The clerk wanted all kinds of personal information, and when I refused to
give it to him (he had already verified the credit card with the phone thingie),
he claimed it was "store policy". I said my policy was to not give out such
information, handed the merchandise back, and bought it from his competitor.
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: das@emmapeel.ca.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Danger!!!
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 15:50:57 GMT

>: >: 
>: >: It's a DISCO PARTY with DISCO LIGHTS DISCO MUSIC and a VILLAGE PEOPLE film.
>: >
>: >  Awright!  I knew I kept my blue silk shirt and white sports jacket and
>: >  pants for a reason.  I'm going home and watch "Saturday Night Fever" just
>: >  to refresh my memory.....
>: 
And if you really want to impress everyone, both the Washington Dance
Club and Jay and Lynn's dance studio offer Hustle lessons.  In fact,
Jay and Lynn's even have a Hustle Formation Team that's available for
performances - you could hire them for the party!
------
Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.ca.boeing.com  // ....uw-beaver!bcsaic!voodoo!das
  "I've never fallen in love, but I've stepped in it a few times."
				     - from _Peter's Friends_
From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Danger!!!
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:28:41 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

Tracy Monaghan (monaghan@cac.washington.edu) wrote:
: It's a DISCO PARTY with DISCO LIGHTS DISCO MUSIC and a VILLAGE PEOPLE film.

For those disco lovers (myself included), on Monday nights at Misty's in
the Bellevue Red Lion they play old disco music. And yes, a lot of Seattle's
old disco hustle dancers go there Monday nights...
From: lenh@mail.isc-br.com
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Help with compressed work week
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:58:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: isc-br.1993Jan7.215853.29204
Distribution: usa
Organization: Olivetti North America

In article <1992Dec29.200935.18942@psg.com> justin@psg.com (Justin Norman)
writes:
>Can anyone from Intel help me out with some questions about
>compressed work week?

ISC Corporation in Spokane had a four-day work week. It was one of the reasons
I moved there. It is very accomodating because you have a three day weekend
every weekend, except when there's a holiday, in which case you have a four (or
five) day weekend. In reality, you don't even notice the extra time each day.
Its more productive because you don't have to "start over" on that extra day
each week (not to mention gas savings, travel time, etc.).

ISC fell on hard times (economy and mis-management, not to be blamed on CWW),
and now does not exist.
From: dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Wesley A. Dodd
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:11:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: oregon.6JAN199315114558
Distribution: pnw
Organization: University of Oregon
NNTP-Posting-Host: oregon.uoregon.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan05.172356.3655@microsoft.com>,
 davidst@microsoft.com (David Steckler) writes...
>But one very important thing
>has been accomplished by Dodd's execution: no one, from the prison guards he
>has said he would kill whether he escapes or not, to the children he has said
>he would kill if he does escape, will die at his hands ever again. . . .
> 
>These are reasons enough for me to feel some relief at his execution.

That may be so, but I think that one opportunity that is missed in the exercise
of capital punishment is to learn how to prevent other Dodds from appearing.

							Dan, ad nauseum
From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Seattle City Light vs. Puget Power
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:21:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: ssc.1993Jan11.202113.12327
Organization: SSC, Inc.,  Seattle, WA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

David Ruggiero (osiris@halcyon.com) wrote:
: Puget Power,
: on the other hand, has to either generate its own power using fossil
: fuels or buy it at higher (near market) rates from the BPA (with its
: newer, higher-cost dams and WPPSS involvement), or at very high (full
: market) rates from the West Coast grid.

Puget Power runs the two dams (Baker and Upper Baker) at Concrete on 
the North Cascades Highway.  I think they have some others in southwest 
Washington either in the south Cascades or the south Olympics.

Anybody got their stockholders report?

Mark Zenier  markz@ssc.wa.com
From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton won't send his daughter to public schools
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:26:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1iftc9INN21v
Organization: UW Computing
NNTP-Posting-Host: red1.cac.washington.edu

In article <crystal.726283133@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>Likely the reason is more due to security and fear of the daughter getting 
>harrassed or kidnapped or something.
>

The Secret Service was afraid of being out-gunned ;^)
From: charlesw@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Charles Wilson)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton won't send his daughter to public schools
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:08:26 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <crystal.726363129@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>In <13146@sail.LABS.TEK.COM> charlesw@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Charles Wilson) writes:
>
>>Oh, I see.  They don't allow harrassment or kidnapping at Private Elitist
>>schools, only at the commoners public schools.  That makes sense.  You're
>>right, I should be happy to send my children to public schools were they
>>may be harrassed or kidnapped.  But not the President.  He has more 
>>important things on his mind.  HIS child should be protected from such
>>things.
>
>
>I seem to detect a bit of jealousy here...go ahead, send your kids to a private school...it's your choice.

Send me the money and I will!!

If we had a voucher system (which Governor Clinton opposes) vitually any
schools would be accessible to the masses.  What should Governor Clinton
care about providing such education to the masses?  He's got the money to
send his kids to any school he chooses.  I don't have a problem with that.
I do have a problem with him limiting my choices.  He's limiting my
choices for my children's education to institutions which do not have to
compete for customers (students).  What kind of cars do you think we would
be driving if we had one car manufacturer to purchase from who did not
have to compete with anyone?  That's where our public education system is
today.  I'm not attacking the public education system entirely, but why
is it that private schools do such a better job (I'm assuming they do
since people must spend additional dollars to use them).  Additionally,
the message that Governor Clinton is sending out is that the public schools
are not good enough for his daughter but for those who can't afford it,
they'll just have to make due.

Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: David Ruggiero <osiris@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: Seattle City Light vs. Puget Power
Originator: osiris@halcyon.com
Reply-To: osiris@halcyon.halcyon.com (David Ruggiero)
Organization: [none - why fight entropy?]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:26:31 GMT

mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:

>It proves that providing utility service to an almost entirely urban or
>suburban customer base is considerably cheaper than providing utility service
>to a customer base that includes super-remote rural areas -- especially when,
>by government regulation, the cost of providing service to the expensive areas
>is spread out over the entire customer base so that everyone pays the same low
>rate.

Sorry to both of yous guys, but the main reason that Seattle City light
rates are among the lowest in the country (lower than almost any other
major urban area - this shoots a hole in Mark's argument) is that 50-75%
of their power is supplied by their wholly-owned, fully-amortized, and
(relatively) cheap hydroelectric dams on the Skagit River. Puget Power,
on the other hand, has to either generate its own power using fossil
fuels or buy it at higher (near market) rates from the BPA (with its
newer, higher-cost dams and WPPSS involvement), or at very high (full
market) rates from the West Coast grid.

You two can argue public vs. private, rural distribution vs. city
distribution, and bureacratic (in)efficiency all you like, but these
factors almost certainly pale in comparison to the cost of generating
the power itself. And City Light's advantage here is so large as to make
any other comparisons both silly and moot.

-- 
David Ruggiero  (jdavid@halcyon.com)       Seattle, WA: Home of the Moss People
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: larry@shiva.ca.boeing.com (Larry Miller)
Subject: Re: More about Wes (really, contradictions & FUD about death)
Reply-To: larrym@shiva.ca.boeing.com
Organization: QCDS
Distribution: pnw
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:43:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.002742.29577@eskimo.com>, kurt@eskimo.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:
|> mikeq@freddy.CNA.TEK.COM wrote:
|> : According to the autopsy report, Dodd died of strangulation (slow) rather than
|> : by his spine being snapped (quick).
|> 

[stuff deleted]

 To tell you the truth, I could care less whether Dodd suffered. I hope he did.
 He probably didnt suffer a 1/10 of what his victims went through. 

-- 
Larry Miller                                             \"If it ain't BOEING
Boeing Computer Services     larry@shiva.ca.boeing.com    \  I ain't going"
Seattle, WA
            DISCLAIMER -> "all words expressed are strictly my own"  	                        					    

 


 
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Incredible Universe
Organization: Stonehenge Consulting Services; Portland, Oregon, USA
	<1993Jan8.152634.8819@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:15:05 GMT

>>>>> In article <1993Jan8.152634.8819@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen) writes:
Paul> Has anybody tried to force the issue with them? It might be great fun to 
Paul> create a scene in front of the place. 

Why work so hard, unless you like making a scene?

They *never* verified anything I gave them.  And I refused to give my
phone number.  No problem with either.  I even started to say
automatically "503-64- ur, uh, no phone."  Not even a whimper.

Of course, all I've ever done there is play Virtuality "Dactyl Terror"
(which I'm pretty good at, having played over 80 games during my stay
in Chicago this summer).

Just another person with a UPC coded plastic card,

-- 
Randal L. Schwartz / Stonehenge Consulting Services (503)777-0095
merlyn@ora.com (semi-permanent) merlyn@agora.rain.com (for newsreading only)
phrase: "Welcome to Portland, Oregon ... home of the California Raisins!"
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: jrm@pgroup.com (John R Mudd)
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton won't send his daughter to public schools
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:31:14 GMT
Organization: The Portland Group

In article <crystal.726283133@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>Likely the reason is more due to security and fear of the daughter getting 
>harrassed or kidnapped or something.  That's not something a parent will admit
>in public, but it's not unreasonable for a President's child.  As a govenor,
>there was nothing to fear...now there could be.

I thought that Amy Carter went to public school.  Can anyone else remember
that far back?

... John
From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Wesley A. Dodd
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:41:33 GMT
Organization: Totally Unorganized

In article <1idkrkINNgv8@sumax.seattleu.edu> daveike@sumax.seattleu.edu (Eickerman) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.215047.5824@fasttech.com> zeke@fasttech.com (Bohdan Tashchuk) writes:
>>
>>Even when people are put behind bars "without possibility of parole", there
>>are always people like Mike Dukakis who think they should get weekends off
>>for a little R & R.
>>
>Mr. Dukakis did not start this weekend parole program.  If I remember
>correctly, a Republican governor began the program, a few terms prior to
>Mr. Dukakis becoming governor.  He is not at fault in this case, though

Does anybody know if convicts of the 'caliber' of Mr. Horton were routinely
given R & R weekends before our unjustly blamed Dukakis took over?  I find
it rather hard to believe that he had absolutely no control over how that
furlough program was run.

>many Republicans during the campaign thought he started it and let him out
>himself.  The only way Republicans think they can win is to dig up dirt
>and falsehoods about their opponent, because they can't find anything good
>to say about their candidate.

I am so glad to know that the Demos never do anything like that.  It is
very reassuring to know that the Demos never tell any fibs, that they
offer such good examples for the rest of us to follow.  Like stating
how the public schools are fine places to educate the kids, and opposing
vouchers so folks other than the wealthy or themselves can have a choice,
(cuz we can't have taxpayer dollars supporting private schools, they
say) then backing up their position by sending THEIR kids to the most
exclusive, expensive, and elite private schools they can find (at taxpayer
expense, of course).  Yeh, I know ... THAT'S DIFFERENT ...

Sounds like they really mean the public schools are fine for the common
rabble, but prefer to reserve access to private schools to 'better'
people like themselves.  Gotta keep those lesser folk out.  Yup.  Great
folks, those Limosine Liberals.

>I am very glad to see the hanging take place, and Mr. Campbell should be
>next, next week would be nice, the room is all ready prepared.
>
>John Eickerman

I found it more than a little curious how the ACLU could claim 'cruel
and unusual' punishment for Dodd, seeing as that was what he REQUESTED...
Kinda makes one wonder if the motive was more to get headlines than any
concern for the nature of the punishment...  the selective defense of
the Bill of Rights, replete with 'creative' interpretations, depending
on how it fits their agenda and how much free publicity it will garner is
a well known practice of the ACLU.

-- 
pat@rwing.uucp                                  (Pat Myrto),  Seattle, WA
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From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton won't send his daughter to public schools
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:26:52 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

In article <1993Jan8.170604.29297@tc.fluke.COM> skele@tc.fluke.COM (Martins Skele) writes:
/bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright) writes:
/>Well, the hypocrisy of the Clinton administration has already started.  The
/>Clintons are sending Chelsea to an expensive private school.  So much for the
/>great and gradiose promises.
/>Bill Clinton knows perfectly well what sending his daughter to public school
/>in Washington DC would mean.  After years of ``just throw more tax money and
/>all problems will be solved'' mismanagement, public schools are a nightmare; a
/>lot happens there, but not very much education.

I didn't say that. Please be more careful on your attribution lines.

/Having said that, I still don't believe that we should
/siphon funds from the public school system to subsidize those who have chosen to
/abandon that system.

I don't find this argument compelling because if a student does not attend
public school, presumably the public school doesn't need to spend that
student's allocation of public funds.
From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Incredible Universe
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:59:46 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon

[]

	"What is "The Incredible Universe" near Wilsonville, Ore.,
	besides something I saw when driving up I-5 last weekend?"

It's a very big Radio Shack, selling a large variety of electronic and
electric products.  Cameras, computers, TVs and stereos, refrigerator,
washing machines ...

Prices are okay.  Coverage is not great -- they only have a few product
lines in each category.  The "cast members" (salespeople) don't know a
lot about their wares.

Incredible Universe is controversial here because they won't let you in
without a membership card, which they issue.  The application form
requires you to give quite a bit of personal information.  You must use
this card each time you make a purchase, so IU can keep a complete list
of everything you've bought.  Speculation is that they turn this
information into targeted marking lists.

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: tkpowell@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Terry Powell)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Wesley A. Dodd
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:35:25 GMT
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1icp8fINNd2p@shelley.u.washington.edu> monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan ) writes:
->In article <C0CGA6.CnH@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> robs@bcstec.ca.boeing.com
->>(Robert Sipe) writes: >>
->>  So what is the general opinion regarding the hanging of Dodd?  Will it
->
->Barbaric and anachronistic, IMHO


Too bad Dodd didn't put a better fight when captured.  He might have
gotten his neck broken then which would have saved everyone a lot of anguish.

Terry
From: dudgeon@hardy.u.washington.edu (Doug Dudgeon)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Incredible Universe
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:10:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1ifhsuINNd77
Reply-To: dudgeon@opus.cheme.washington.edu
Distribution: pnw
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

What is "The Incredible Universe" near Wilsonville, Ore., besides something
I saw when driving up I-5 last weekend?  Just wondering....
-- 
Doug Dudgeon                             Dept. of Chemical Engineering, BF-10
dudgeon@opus.cheme.washington.edu        University of Washington, Seattle

89 days left until Opening Day!
From: dxxb@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Barts)
Newsgroups: pnw.general
Subject: Re: Wesley A. Dodd
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:07:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1id7s7INN4ok
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> writes:

> [edited]
>Here's another part of the propaganda to debunk: the wierd notion that ``no
>other civilized country has the death penalty'' and that by having a death
 ^^^^^

IMO, the highlighted word is unnecessary wordiness and can be deleted.

Whether or not it is possible to be uncivilized and have no capital
punishment is left as an exercise to the reader.
-- 
David Barts  N5JRN                      UW Civil Engineering, FX-10
davidb@ce.washington.edu                Seattle, WA  98195
Newsgroups: pnw.general
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Death Penalty
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Distribution: pnw
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:10:38 GMT

In <C0E7pF.9yv@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> sjm2458@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (The Steve-meister) writes:

>While I can appreciate and even agree with the arguments put
>forth by death penalty proponents, there are several things 
>I find very disturbing about it all, and here they are in no 
>particular order.

>o  The ritualistic aspect of it all- the military handbook, the boiled
>   and waxed hemp, the hood, the last words, the sillhouette.

Using a decent reference manual and preparing the rope properly
hardly strike me as ritualistic, any more than using a cookbook
and sifting the flour when baking a cake.  Playing it by ear,
skipping the manual and using the wrong rope, can make for really
botched hangings that would certainly be ruled inhumane.  Either
you'll strangle the victim slowly, or you'll rip his head off.
Both have been known to happen when proper procedures weren't
followed.

The hood and the silhouette strike me as attempts to
depersonalise the person hanging on the end of the rope.  Sort of
like the blindfold for someone before a firing squad.  It also
preserves some dignity for the person if he can't hold his
composure at the very end.  It is strange how this varies with
different forms of execution -- a long, slow death process like
lethal injection seems to be done in the open, ditto gas
chambers.  Hanging and firing squads are concealed.  How about
electrocution?

Last words may be an old ritual, but I'd hate to deprive even
someone like Dodd of one last opportunity to apologize, confess,
or curse the world for killing an innocent man.
-- 
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