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From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: coming out to family??
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:19:46 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <BzDwGy.3so@cscns.com> rks@cscns.com (gisle j benediktsson) writes:
>Hello... I have been reading this group for a while now and have noticed
>that there are many people discussing 'coming out' to their families. Now,
>I must somewhat admit that I am mystified. 
>
>I guess I really don't consider my lifestyle to be any of my family's
>business. It is not up to them to 'accept' me. They have two options in
>my own view: they can either accept it or they can fuck off. (That is 
>assuming that I have a piece of information that I may choose to share
>with them.) 
>
>It really bothers me that people seem to be bothered about this?Why in
>the world do we have a tendency to give these people so much power? 
>

     Because we love them (well, some of them), and the loss of their
presence in our lives would hurt, and that kind of hurt isn't any
fun.
     That's my theory, anyway.

				-Phil
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From: shelly@rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk (Shelly DelVeccio)
Subject: Re: Sharon Stone
Organization: The IBM PC User Group On-line services
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:45:47 GMT

In article <MUFFY.92Dec22081804@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:

>might have been the personality of the character (in Basic Instinct).
>People become much less attractive to me if I don't like who they are.

Sharon Stone? she's a hard, cold bitch with fingernails from hell. That's
why I like her.

But then, I'm just that way.

-sh
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From: safarj@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar)
Subject: Re: Lurkers
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 09:55:47 GMT

rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:

>In article <fqr2j2_@rpi.edu> safarj@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar) writes:
>->>Well, bring your cute ol' butt over here already! 
>->You pay?
>->I'm on my way.

>Sigh ... if I could afford to pay, I'd relocate quite a few people to the
>bay area ... (and a few out of it :) ) ... Lessee ... A few in Delaware, DC,
>New York, Penn., Michigan, Cleveland, Oregon, Australia, England ... 

>->You need help.... ;) <Hug!>

><hug> Will you help me, please, Sir?

This could be accomplished through my re-education plan, which consists of
a series of lessons over a period of time.. First lesson, get on the bed
please, thank you....

>-roy

>-- 
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>anonymous mail: wi.5836@n7kbt.rain.com        androphile, gynophile, kerryphile
>"What I used to think is me / is just a faded memory." -NIN
>DISCLAIMER:  I speak for the University of California at Berkeley.  Rrrright.

-Points
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From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Understanding
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:40:23
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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In-reply-to: alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com's message of Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:49:34 GMT

In article <Bzoq6n.24ut@austin.ibm.com> alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss) writes:
>In article <MUFFY.92Dec22111050@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>So why not formulate the information in such a way as to obtain
>maximum impact, i.e. SPEAK THE LANGUAGE THEY UNDERSTAND.  You don't
>have to, of course - you (and the "you" isn't necessarily "YOU",
>Muffy :-) can choose to speak your own language.  But if the idea
>is maximize change ....

You deleted my text, which explained this, but I'll try again.  Are you
saying, then, that I should a) LIE to them and b) disavow any connection
with that EVIL feminism, even though I am, in fact, a feminist?  It is
not a quesiton of "my own language" or "their language," any more than
saying I am female, bisexual, brown-haired, or whatever.

>>not...*smile*), it seems to me that what might be going on is that men
>>have a stronger identification with "being male," because that is
>>something to be proud of in our society.  More than that, some men base
>>their entire self-worth on "being a man."
[...]
>>  In this case, an attack on
>>"men" (being the societal standard for being male) *is* more of a
>>personal attack.  It would be pretty silly for women to base their
>>self-image on "being female," since society's view of women is rather
>>negative.  Of course, there *are* female supremacists who do this, but
>>there are relatively few of them.

>I can't agree, Muffy, because by and large women hold MUCH more
>power than men

So what?  I never said *anything* about power, I said that our society
holds men in much higher regard than women.

Muffy
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From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 08:33:41 GMT

 safarj@jec311.its.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar) writes:

>what is the perfect height?  And take make matters even more strange, can
>we come up with an equation relating your height to the perfect height of
>your partner(s)....?

Na, I'm not the mathematical type. But people who don't "fit" in a snuggle are
the "wrong" height, whether they're too tall or too short. You know, the kind
of people who give you a crick in the neck if you sleep with them even in the
more staid positions... whoever said folk are all the same height when they're
lying down was sooo wrong.

Of course, the more people there are in a configuration, the more chance you
have to get the heights well-matched. And maths doesn't help; it's not just
the height, but the flexibility of the partner |-)

I *love* having too many variables in a problem.

Tanaqui (who knows Jonah just went to bed |-)



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From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:25:07 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Dec21.185313.19414@netcom.com>, solovay@netcom.com (Andrew
Solovay) writes:
|> But then, Miss Manners is a conservative (or, in motss parlance,
|> "fascist").

No, she is not.
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From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Lurkers
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:34:25 GMT

In article <1h3amsINN9d9@agate.berkeley.edu>
     rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:

>Then again, it's the net.persona issue again ... I have no idea how
>exactly I'm coming off, in terms of my personality ...

   I attended a recent dungeon S/M party where, out of 200 people,
about 30 were usenet people.  Of course, I *brought* seven of them, so
I guess that sorta unbalanced the odds a little.  "Sternberg, party of
eight for The Gold Room, this way please..."

   One of the people I was with was a rather famous flamewarrior who
has asked me not to name him.  But it was rather interesting as a woman
approached us and said "I heard you two talking about the 'net.  Do you
post a lot?"  He introduced himself and she backed away, saying only
"Oh."  Then I introduced myself and she said "You're ELF?  You write
the best stories!"  *Blush, shucks, t'weren't nothin.*

   Other reactions I've had have included "You know, I expected you to
look a lot different."  When I asked what she had expected, she said
"The cover of Aqualung."

   I dunno; do I come across as the sort of person who "[sits] on a
park bench eyeing little girls with bad intent?"

   The other reaction I had, for which I was rather angry with myself,
occured when a gorgeous young woman stopped me and said "Can I talk to
you about your stories?"  I said "Later, I'm on my way to a scene."
When I got into the sling room, the first thing out of my mouth was
"Fans!" in this exasperated tone.  Oh, well.  I'll learn.

>Intimidating? Me? Dear God

   Yes, Roy, You *are* intimidating.  So am I.  Remember we are
voluminous in our posting and confident in our majority.  That scares
people.

      Elf !!!
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Now, I'm sad and tired.             But you hold every card.
Listen, surely I've exceeded        I will drink your cup of poison.
Expectations.                       Nail me to your cross and break me.
Tried for three years,              Bleed me, beat me.
Seems like thirty.                  Kill me.
Could you ask as much               Take me now.
From any other man?                 Before I change my mind.
From: urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Het males & bi-fems
Date: 31 Dec 1992 21:31:46 +0100
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
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In soc.bi, article <1992Dec31.001225.6998@midway.uchicago.edu>,
  pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
> In article <92364.174655U23700@uicvm.uic.edu> <U23700@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> 
> >also, apparently het women do fantasize about watching 2 men get it
> >on, although they didn't always. my friend was very interested to find
> >in the new nancy friday book 'women on top' that watching 2 men and
> >perhaps joining them is a new idea in women's fantasies, not present
> >in ms. friday's previous collections and analysis of women's sexual
> >fantasies, 'my secret garden' and 'forbidden flowers' (both from the
> >middle/late 1970s). her thesis in this latest book is that the women's
> >movement, sexual revolution, etc., have spawned changes in the types
> >of fantasies women now allow themselves to have. my friend, who thought
> >she must be rather odd when not finding her m-f-m fantasies in the first
> >2 books, was exultant to find that other women now have these kinds of
> >fantasies, and that she was not the only 'weird' het female who had
> >these fantasies.
> 
> <grin>  i really have to read this book.  
> 
Could somebody post publisher and ISBN data?
(Being in Germany, I'm not able to just wander into any bookstore and pick it
up. :-( )

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From: safarj@aix.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar)
Subject: Re: Okay...okay...here is an official demuffin...
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:07:20 GMT

Welcome!  Welcome!  So glad you could join us, please, do come in.
Have a seat!  Have two!  Cookie?  Hug?  Yes?
<Hugs!> :)
Brandeis?  Hrm... How's Ofer doing down at WBRS?

-Points
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From: barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: AS long as we are hugging...
Date: 22 Dec 92 02:19:22 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Well I thought that if Roy could ask for a hug then I could to...God knows I
need one today....SO how about it, can a muffin get a hug?


:-) Jen
From: sara@festival.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Selective Memory?
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:53:40 GMT

gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:

>dbshapco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Brad Shapcott) writes:
>:evidence, and to the flip ego posturing dominating many posts.  Well,
>:the first thing I would like to know is, am I the only one that feels this?

>No.

And neither is he.

Sara
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From: gtoal@rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: YES!  It works!!!
Organization: The IBM PC User Group On-line services
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 23:13:11 GMT

In article <1hcpksINNrj6@agate.berkeley.edu> mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:
>Ooh, I get to hug you *and* Kay?  Bliss!  Three-way!  <<<HUG>>>
>Now if you sit <here>, and Kay sits <there>, I can just about give you
>simultaneous backrubs ...

Ikke ikke ikke!!!

Groetjes, Caspar (en knuffels en smekkies)

G
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From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Selective Memory?
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:06:52 GMT

In article <Bznx9x.Msw@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>Me too.  It's them Americans and them motssers that have done it.

Oh god, oh god, do I *have* to put smileys in everything?

			shudderingly,
			Kay
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From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: _Details_ magazine (was: Giddyness)
Date: 28 Dec 1992 14:21:59 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
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In article <1992Dec24.200952.13271@bsu-ucs>, d000dlphi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (David Speakman) writes:
|> In article <1hdbdnINN9s@agate.berkeley.edu>, mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:
|> 
|> >        -- Leonard Cohen, "Democracy", from "The Future"
|> >           (without permission in any way, shape or form)
|> > 
|> > You heard it here first.  I'd extend my yuletide sillyness to a full
|> > quote of the song, but I've other things to be getting on with.  Perhaps
|> > the above will suffice.
|> 
|> Gosh, EXACTLY that much of the song appears in the Jan 1993 issues of
|> _Details_ magazine.    Love my _Deatials_ -- it's a very gay-postitive
|> magazine. In fact, I'd argue that it purposely goes out of its way to
|> accomodate LGBO readers.

How's that?  I just subscribed to _Details_ myself, but I have gotten it on the
newstands often.  And never noticed gay-positive anything.  I just knew I liked
the writing: honest, frank, hip, and funny.  (I could do without all the
fashion and hair-goop nonesense, tho  ;> ).  Please elaborate - I'd like to know
exactly *what* subliminal techniques worked on me, since I never noticed
a bent, other than NONE at all.

john
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Roy's "consenting" slave
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 22:12:07 EST

laura@plts.uucp (Laura Arnold) writes:

> You have no right to demand that she make the decision that you feel most
> comfortable with.  I resent your using feminism as an excuse to control
> Kerry's choices.  Feminism is much broader than you are presenting it.  By
> insisting that Kerry does not have the ability to concent, you are
> disempowering her in the same way that the patriarchy has disempowered women
> for centuries.  Feminism is about recognizing womyn's individuality and
> personal power, not about creating a mass of women who think exactly the way

I just wanted to see here that I agree with Laura's principle: that 
feminism means having the power to choose, including the power to make 
wrong choices; it means allowing diversity in every direction.  (It also 
means taking responsibility for one's choices, which is necessary in any 
case.)

Namaste,
Elizabeth


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From: kdc5072@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.D. Colagio)
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
Originator: kdc5072@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 02:35:19 GMT

This is a late followup because I wasn't here and the machine didn't
take the post before break...sorry...

-> Catherine Anne Foulston writes:
-> >Royal J Carroll writes:
-> >>Scott Wells writes:
-> 
-> >>6'3", dark short hair, brown eyes, bisexual, and horny as ....
-> >Well...I'm 6'2", dark short hair, brown eyes, bisexual, and getting hornier...
-> Well, I'm 5'4", or 163 cm if you like those better, have hazel eyes
-> 
-> 	Cathy
-> 	almost short and proud of it, so there

you are NOT short....they just built the sidewalk too close to your ass. 8*)

*hugs* just for the hell of it...

hmmm...poster rejected this the first time...I wonder if it is because I
have too little unoriginal material...well, that should change now.

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From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 12:11:59 GMT

muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
[He (James Spader) ]

...
>Not to mention "sex, lies and videotape".

Ah. If he was the blond-ish one who did the taping, then his demeanour and
looks are very close to those of the cellist I mentioned earlier.

Tanaqui <smug look tempered by the fact that he bogged off to France>
From: cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: A question about Stephen M. Conley
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:39:30 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620


 STella@thelema.uucp (STella) writes:
> I've rarely met a bi-libertarian I wouldn't be willing to
> play with.)  

Oh good! We're rara avis in Britain, as far as I can see. I mean, most of
the libertarians I know *are* bi-, but that still leaves us in a swingeing
minority.

OK, OK, and a swinging one |-)

> We're here, we're queer, and we're not voting for the folks who
> gave us LBJ when we needed a real candidate.  But maybe if Clinton
> doesn't automatically push gay-rights stuff through, but has to be
> harried into it like any other pol, folks will catch a dose of
> clue....

Actually, I'd probably have voted for Clinton on the grounds that the optimum
solution for me would be if he dropped dead and we had President Gore. Yay!!

I can't see a libertarian candidate being President, or P.M. over here, since
they tend to be too goddamn uncorrupt for their own good. Based on personal
knowledge of a number of the people purged from the Conservative Party.

Tanaqui
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Attack of the Seperatists
Organization: People's Front of Judea
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:06:48 GMT

In article <memo.827954@cix.compulink.co.uk> iwatters@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>> And what does Cerebus say?
>
>Cerebus say very little.  Slowly.  With many...  Pauses.
>
>Except when writing memoirs, when Cerebus say great deal.

I liked the part about the butler. But what does the Usenet Elf
think? (And can he introduce me to the Regency Elf?)
-- 
Andrew Solovay    
                "I know that, in America and under capitalism,
                 I am the freest woman in history."
                                --- Camille Paglia
From: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Understanding
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:13:52 GMT
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <MUFFY.92Dec22125257@remarque.berkeley.edu>
muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:

>In article <1992Dec22.193747.3007@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:

>>On the other hand, if
>>someone said to me "men can't look after children" (or pick your
>>favourite stereotyped female activity), I could attempt to refute
>>the stereotype.

>You could, but would you?  

Probably not in that case, since I've no experience of looking after
children!  I do remember having a long and fruitless discussion with
one woman who was convinced that men were uniformly useless at
domestic organization; whenever I pointed out that my father or male
friends of mine did most of the shopping or cleaning or ironing in
their household, she just dismissed them as special cases, so I
eventually gave up.  But since I'm completely domestically incapable
myself, I'm probably not the best person to argue with...

>What about if someone said something like
>"I'm so angry about the way men treat women like sex objects"?  (Posting
>on this from the other side to come...*smile*.)  Would your response be
>"but *I* don't do that"?

Quite possibly, yes.  I'd also attempt to explain that I'm not an
apologist for all men, and I'm just as angry about the way some
men treat women as she is.  There's nothing more frustrating than
spending ages trying to educate your male friends out of their
sexist attitudes, and then confronting some woman who's convinced
beyond all persuasion that just because you're male you must
be as sexist as the rest of them.

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From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:32:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec21.183248.6117
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Dec21.150903.17299@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) considers the influence of the effect
>of imposing language differences on people's
>thoughts.  I have some questions about his examples, but that's not
>the real issue for me in what he wrote:
> >(1) Germany, 1935-194?. Ever read German w.r.t. foreigners (i.e.
> >Jews)?  The language, indeed, quickly adapted to the needs of its
> >users, to blame and denigrate 'foreigners'. Now, was this because people
>
>Denigrate?

The collapse of the german banking system was focused on jews for the
large part, as we know; historically, they have always been scapegoats
(except, strangely, in America, and in particular, American artistic
and intellecutal development, but that is another story). From Germany,
texts I've read, Jews (merged finally with other 'undesirables') were
'dirty', 'weak', 'soft', 'decadent', and so on. At its depth, the
language spoke of all that is 'jewish' in denigrating terms. I simplify,
but where am I losing it?
-- 
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