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Subject: Draw for FA Cup 4th Qualifying Round
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:25:59 +0000

Draw for the FA Challenge Cup 4th Qualifying Round
Ties to be played on 24th October 1992

Barrow (NPLP)                 v. Southport (NPLP)
Gateshead (NPLP)              v. Whitley Bay (NPLP)
Blyth Spartans (NL1)          v. Stockton (NL1)
Gainsborough Trinity (NPLP)   v. Colwyn Bay (NPLP) or Altrincham (GMVC)
Accrington Stanley (NPLP)     v. Northallerton Town (NL1)
Runcorn (GMVC)                v. Marine (NPLP)
Netherfield (NPL1)            v. Macclesfield Town (GMVC)
Wembley (DL1)                 v. Nuneaton Borough (SLM)
Stafford Rangers (GMVC)       v. Bromsgrove Rovers (GMVC)
Kettering Town (GMVC)         v. Corby Town (SLP)
Hednesford Town (SLP)         v. Dagenham & Redbridge (GMVC)
Enfield (DLP)                 v. Aylesbury United (DLP)
Halesowen Town (SLP)          v. VS Rugby (SLP)
Sutton Coldfield Town (SLM)
or Rushall Olympic (WMRP)     v. Leyton (DL1)
Telford United (GMVC)         v. Stevenage Borough (DLP)
                                 or St. Albans City (DLP)
Newmarket Town (ECP)          v. Hayes (DLP)
Kidderminster Harriers (GMVC) v. Atherstone United (SLP)
Solihull Borough (SLP)        v. Chesham United (DLP)
Kingstonian (DLP)             v. Welling United (GMVC)
Crawley Town (SLP)            v. Yeovil Town (GMVC)
Ashford Town (SLS)            v. Slough Town (GMVC)
Tiverton Town (WLP)           v. Bath City (GMVC)
Cheltenham Town (SLP)         v. Worthing (DL2)
Sittingbourne (SLS)           v. Marlow (DLP)
Witney Town (SLS)             v. Salisbury (SLS)
Newport AFC (SLM)
or Clevedon Town (WLP)        v. Sutton United (DLP)
Farnborough Town (GMVC)       v. Dorking (DL1)
Abingdon Town (DL1)           v. Merthyr Tydfil (GMVC)

League Abbreviations (with Pyramid level):
5  GMVC  GM Vauxhall Conference
6  NPLP  Northern Premier League (Premier Division)
   SLP   Southern League (Premier Division)
   DLP   Diadora League (Premier Division)
7  NPL1  Northern Premier League (Division One)
   SLM   Southern League (Midland Division)
   SLS   Southern League (Southern Division)
   DL1   Diadora League (Division One)
8  NL1   Northern League (Division One)
   ECP   Eastern Counties League (Premier Division)
   WMRP  West Midlands (Regional) League (Premier Division)
   WLP   Western Leage (Premier Division)
   DL2   Diadora League (Division Two)

Draw is made on a regional basis up to and including the Second Round
Proper.
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Subject: Re: chesterfield.....YOU'RE NOTHING
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:15:42 +0000







In article <1992Oct9.100104.3234@axion.bt.co.uk> kfolan@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk
(Kevin Folan) writes:

>>From article <_674*_I=JM_S=Ross_OU=man0507_O=icl_PRMD=icl_ADMD=gold_400_C=GB__
@
MHS>, by J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk:

>> That's why they're in the 3rd Division relegation zone whilst Liverpool are i
n

>> the Premier.

>Actually I'm sure Liverpool are nearer the Premier league relegation
>zone than Chesterfield are in the 3rd.

Well, it depends on how large you count the relegation zone as :-) After
Saturday's game Chesterfield have sneaked into 8th spot in Div 3, I'm sure
they were somewhere near the bottom the last time I looked.

>> a piece. Still, one swallow doesn't make a summer and Chesterfield are
>> hardly the toughest of opposition (even Gillingham beat them 3-0 a couple
>> of weeks ago).

>Another inaccuracy. Chesterfield lost to Colchester 3-0, and it could
>have been more, but I think that says more about Liverpools pathetic
>showing in the 4-4 draw at Anfield than anything else!

I'll be getting a memory transplant as soon as a suitable donor is found.

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Any resemblence between Liverpool FC and a struggling Premier League team
is purely coincidental.
From: ballm@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: ENGLAND vs Norway result please
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:00:50 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

EnglaVs norway result please
From: cbar40@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Actual names - a spie
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:56:17 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Oct6.085840.24073@spider.co.uk>, scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:
> In article <1992Oct5.145614.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cbar40@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>>Now I don't want to be seen here as being a wee bit pedantic but why does Andy
>>Goram, Defender (sorry goalkeeper) of the Crown and Scotlands number one,
^^^^^^^^
   ^
>number one, introduce himself on commercial radio in the following way  :
>>
>>"Hi I'm Andy Rhodes of Glasgow Rangers .... "
> 
> He doesn't, he says "Hi, I'm Andy Goram...", Andy Rhodes is the guy who gives
> the boys on our bus a lift to the pub when we have blow-outs!

And I was worried about being pedantic.

>  A stadium which as recently as 85-86 was playing host to crowds in
>>excess of 60000.
> 
> Only when Rangers visited.
> 
PISH.

>>Discounting the new facade out front (which a Jungle Jim can miss completely)
>>the board have sat on their self  righteous arses and did nothing whilst all
>>over Scotland teams like Glasgow Rangers, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd and St.
>>Johnstone have built/or are building stadia of which they can be proud using
> 
> Stadium's to be proud of, so why do the Celtic support take such delight in
> wrecking Ibrox?

If you can get your mind tuned in to yir average Celtic vandal then methinks
it's obvious.  It's the same reason the Rangers end at Celtic Park is
continually covered with tribal graffiti - etchings into the crush barriers and
spray paint in the toilets.  To both lots  it's like the chance to have their 
very own  Boyne. 

And it's a small minority.
> 
> -- 
>  Scott Jackson              e-mail scottj@spider.co.uk abuse  031-554-9424

Dan
CBAR40@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Football in the USA
Date: 8 Oct 1992 21:55:07 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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>..letter writing drive to newspapers...

I am taking up my own suggestion and faxing the names of all the American
internationals and the teams they play for to the Atlanta Constitution
sports editor. If the paper can cover obscure (that is to a US audience)
Australian tennis tournaments, they should at least be able to cover
once or twice a week the results and tables (and maybe even a story) of
Americans who are doing well in world class professional leagues.

Yes, this will be a long battle....

Best, Chris

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From: rkobenter@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Austrian League Info requested
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:00:38 -0700
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

Re: AUSTRIAN Football.

Where are the majority of players from? I mean RAPID, AUSTRIA VIENNA...usw

What is standard of the league play? What has happened in Linz and Salzburg
two cities that had , well lets say, 'poor' quality teams over the
last 5 years ..

Any idea what the reason is that Austria has not been able to field
good teams after the boom of the late 70's with Krankl and Pezzy (uva) ?

thanks for any info

robert kobenter
victoria BC Canada

rwkobent@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca
robert@softwords.bc.ca
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Date: Friday, 9 Oct 1992 13:57:59 CET
From: <SHUGHES@ESTEC.BITNET>
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Subject:    B.Dortmond V Celtic21st Oct

Any Tims that are going to the above game from Holland by train (I`m going from
Lieden) get in conntact with me and we could meet up and pass the trip away
swiging a few light ales and a sign song!
Steve Hughes
From: S947607@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (Pavel Nikiforovitch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: SOVIET: Russian League (final) table after 11 rounds
Date: 8 Oct 92 03:26:11 GMT



                           Games Goals Points
1.Spartak Moscow             11  22:9    18
2.Spartak Vladikavkaz        11  17:14   13
3.Dinamo Moscow              11  19:15   12
4.Lokomotiv Moscow           11   9:10   11
5.CSKA Moscow                11  19:13   10
6.Lokomotiv Nizhny Novgorod  11   6:12    9
7.Asmaral Moscow             11  13:25    9
8.Rostselmash Rostov-na-Donu 11   3:12    6

Just three rounds to go... so "Spartak"(Moscow) are practically champions
already. However, there'll be a big battle for 2nd and 3rd places...

**********************************************
* T e a m s  | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 *
**********************************************
* CSKA       |XXX|1:2|4:1|2:4|1:1|4:0|   |4:1*
* Moscow     |XXX|1:1|1:2|0:2|0:0|   |1:1|   *
*--------------------------------------------*
* Spartak    |1:1|XXX|4:3|   |   |2:0|1:0|5:1*
* Moscow     |2:1|XXX|   |5:2|1:0|0:0|0:0|1:1*
*--------------------------------------------*
* Dinamo     |2:1|   |XXX|3:1|0:0|1:1|1:1|6:1*
* Moscow     |1:4|3:4|XXX|0:0|0:2|   |2:0|   *
*--------------------------------------------*
* Spartak    |2:0|2:5|0:0|XXX|0:0|1:0|4:0|   *
* Vladikavkaz|4:2|   |1:3|XXX|3:0|0:1|   |3:3*
*--------------------------------------------*
* Lokomotiv  |0:0|0:1|2:0|0:3|XXX|   |1:1|1:4*
* Moscow     |1:1|   |0:0|0:0|XXX|1:0|   |3:0*
*--------------------------------------------*
* Rostselmash|   |0:0|   |1:0|0:1|XXX|0:0|0:1*
*Rostov-na-D.|0:4|0:2|1:1|0:1|   |XXX|1:1|0:1*
*--------------------------------------------*
* Lokomotiv  |1:1|0:0|0:2|   |   |1:1|XXX|2:1*
* Nizhny Nov.|   |0:1|1:1|0:4|1:1|0:0|XXX|0:0*
*--------------------------------------------*
* Asmaral    |   |1:1|   |3:3|0:3|1:0|0:0|XXX*
* Moscow     |1:4|1:5|1:6|   |4:1|1:0|1:2|XXX*
**********************************************
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From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Waiting for Holland-Poland
Summary: Wandzik and Warzycha are out!
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:14:56 GMT

Wandzik and Warzycha, the two Polish players in the Greek league,
will not play on Wednesday in Poland's match against Holland.
The coaches of Panathinaikos (in which both play) simply refused
to let the two Poles leave the club to play in the Polish national
team.  Previously they couldn't also play against Turkey for the
same particular reason.

Now, the attitude of the coaches of Panathinaikos has its own name:
IT IS BREAKING THE LAW.  The only hope one may have is that the
Polish Football Association will know how to make the lawbreakers
pay a sufficiently high fine, so that we will never have to deal
with similar attitudes again.

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From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rothenberg's new US pro soccer plans
Date: 16 Oct 1992 09:10:38 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Marcus,

This is a very interesting report. Although, I might disagree with you on
the viability of corporate sponsorship. While it might make sense to get
a major corporation to make a commitment to a single team, I suppose that
a league is only as strong as its weakest link and the league has to
survive as a whole. As many of us here in the US know, the demise of the
NASL was due to just such an erosion from the bottom.

I do agree that more than 8-12 teams is necessary, it has to be nation -- if
not continent -- wide and should include all regions in the US and Canada.
You might not have seen this, but there is considerable sentiment now
for several of the strongest Canadian Soccer League teams to join the
APSL now. In fact, Vancouver 86ers have agreed to join as of next year with
perhaps Montreal Supra and the Toronto franchise to follow.

One further advantage the collective corporate approach is that it would
allow a relegation/promotion system that might make a corporate sponsor
of a relegated team think twice about long term commitment.

Your choice of cities is a good one: World Cup cities, APSL & CSL franchises,
and former NASL cities with strong histories.

Further discussion folks?

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From: Juergen.Schaepker@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Juergen Schaepker)
Subject: Re: Italian League: Serie A and B Results/Standings (Week 5)
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:52:06 GMT

tom@ethome.et.iupui.edu (Thomas Boehm) writes:

>> Serie B, Week 5; Games played Sunday, October 4, 1992:
>> 
>> Ascoli		3	Piacenza	0

>How is the Austrian forward Bierhoff doing at Ascoli, Marco? Is he still there
>or have they sold him (I think he was actually property of somebody else?)..

Bierhoff is definitely a German (he played for Uerdingen, Hamburger SV,
Borussia Moenchengladbach, Casino - or whatever they call it now - Salzburg)
I think, he still plays in Ascoli (he was the property of Inter).
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From: harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh)
Subject: Leeds-Stuggart result
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 06:40:30 GMT


Result of the much-talked-about 3rd leg :

Leeds United  2 - 1  VfB Stuggart

:-)

Scorers:
--------

Gordon Strachan, Leeds - 20 metre shot that gave Stuggart goalkeeper Eike Immel
                         no chance.

Andre Golke, Stuggart  - equalised 6 minutes later when he dived at the far
                         post to head home a cross by Alexander Strehmel.

Carl Shutt, Leeds      - Shutt came on for off-colour Eric Cantona, who has
                         been sufferinf from tonsilitis.
                         Within seconds, Shutt was given the ball by Tony
                         Dorigo as Tony cleared a Stuggart corner. Shutt beat
                         2 defenders and then shot through the legs of Eike
                         Immel.

What's next:
------------

Leeds will meet Rangers of Scotland in Round 2. The fixtures are as follows :

Oct 21 at Ibrox, Glasgow
Nov 04 at Elland Road, Leeds

Cheers,
	Harin
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From: eschbach@abc.wrc.xerox.com (Reiner Eschbach)
Subject: Re: UEFA DISGRACE: RE: Leeds v Stuttgart
Organization: Xerox
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:17:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.103307.9284@vax.oxford.ac.uk> stuart@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>Apart from the most ardent Stuttgart fan does anyone think the UEFA decision is
>correct/fair/justifiable?

Not being a Stuttgart fan at all, I would say that the UEFA has done as much
as they can do. Football is, luckily, a game that is decided on the field and
it therefor always includes errors. Do you think we should examine all the
videos, films, etc of the past world championships and replay all games that
had a referee error in them? We would have quite a lot of games to do.

One more question: who brought the fact to the UEFA attention? There have been
conflicting accounts on the net, some saying it was Stuttgart, some say Leeds.
What's reality?

Reiner
From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Football in the USA
Date: 8 Oct 1992 21:46:41 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Re: Wynalda as a "star"

It is really nice to see all the attention he is getting on German TV,
it would be good to see him get some coverage here. For the moment,
very few Americans even know who he is.

Curious....

Best, Chris

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From: N.Patel@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Leeds vs Stuttgart
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:07:20 GMT
Reply-To: N.Patel@lut.ac.uk (Nitesh Patel)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

What's the difference between the Bank of England and Stuttgart VFB?










Stuttgart VFB have more foreign reserves!


	Cheers

	Nitesh

Good luck to Leeds on Friday night.
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From: zierlh@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Heinrich Zierl)
Subject: Vfb Stuttgart- Leeds United
Keywords: Christoph Daum
Originator: zierlh@sunbode18.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:59:38 GMT



I think, Christoph Daum knows every video film about Leeds United, AC Mailand,
FC Barcelona , ...


but now he does not need these films any more !!


Probably he would have done better reading UEFA soccer rules than spending
his nights watching video films and thinking he is the best soccer
trainer in germany and in europe !!



Christoph Daum, you are a very good friend of mine !!!
From: bohner@alnitak.usc.edu (Wolfgang Bohner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: German team bored me yet again
Date: 16 Oct 1992 15:41:44 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alnitak.usc.edu


>Hey thanks fuckwit, I can apologize for myself.
>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


If you would think first you wouldn't have to apologize. I also feel the desire
to apologize for the insensitive, stupid comments of a fellow countryman.



>That was Ernst Happel ? My god last time I saw him (on TV) about a year
> .......
>Apologies to Ernst Happel. Sorry, I hope you skipped the previous article,
>and for that matter this one too. Good luck.
>
>Nat!



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From: f54oguocha@edison.usask.ca
Subject: RE: Request for African Results?
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:18:17 GMT

In a previous article, Mark Shaw <mshaw@uiuc.edu> wrote:
>Can anyone post the results of the African WC Qualifiers played on Fri
>(Oct. 9)?  I believe there were about 20 games.  Thanks in advance
>
Nigeria 4 South Africa 0. See you with other results as soon as they fly
in.
From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SWRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: re: Team USA in World Cup '94
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:15:30 GMT

--------------------------------
The article goes on to say that one of the advantages of the Pontiac
Silverdome is the US's familiarity with artificial surfaces. 

 QUESTION
FOR OTHER READERS: Did FIFA allow the artificial surface to be used?
What ever happened to the growing-grass-indoors experiment?

See you all at World Cup.

Play on.

Robert Weisz
Naperville, Illinois USA
...att!ihlpe!weisz
-------------------------------

The Silverdome will have grass (the real kind) in it.

	josef
	jzeevi@swri.edu                                
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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Subject: Re: Denmark panel for wednesday anyone?????
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
	<FISCHER.92Oct7030521@steiner.iesd.auc.dk>
	<1992Oct7.034530.16645@news.vanderbilt.edu>
Date: 9 Oct 92 05:04:31


>>>>> "Andy" == Andy Lipscomb (LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu)

Andy> Since when is Ireland a *British* team? 

I apologize for the mistake. In Danish, "Britisk" means "fra de
Britiske /Oer" (from the British Isles) and I (wrongly) translated
directly without considering the implications. Will "teams from the
British Isles*" be satisfactory?

Andy>  Technically, not even Northern Ireland is

Concise Oxford Dictionary, 8th Ed., list British as "of or relating to
Great Britain or the United Kingdom, ...", but I can see that the
inclusion of "or the United Kingdom" could be considered very much a
political move.

Andy> (although they are UK); Great Britain is the island containing
Andy> England, Scotland, and Wales.

I know. The confusion was in calling something from the British Isles
British, which I now understand is wrong.

/Lars

* Webster's New World Dictionary lists "The British Isles" as Great
Britian, Ireland, and sorrounding islands.

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