HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Chinese-cu = chinese culture paradox - a happy solution?
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:38:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.224949.14425@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
> In article <1992Aug27.021804.22374@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au>
> eln314m@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Ms ML Hong) writes:
> >
> > [ Some terrible and archaic beliefs held by a minority of the
> >   Chinese population deleted ]
> >
> >    Despite the fact that this sort of thinking is not prevalent anymore
> >except in some ultra conservative Chinese families, bits of it still linger
> >in many people's upbringing and beliefs....
> 
> Ms. Hong, I disagree that "this sort of thinking is not prevalent anymore".
> An example would be the following e-mail that I received today; it apparently
> advocates some sort of physical violence to quelch criticism of China and
> Chinese society.
> 
>       [ Posted email tirade deleted ]
> 
> As I've said before, Chinese-cu cultural is a perversion.

     Incidentally, it is generally considered bad form to post email
received privately.

     While not condoning the posted email, is anyone really suprised
someone has reacted so vociferously?  The tone and attitude of your
anti-China postings just cry out for rebuttal, and some people are going
to get overly emotional.  You don't condemn individual characteristics,
but rather Chinese culture as a whole.  Blanket calls for the
destruction of an entire social structure without consideration for
the positive aspects of that structure is quite simply blind hatred
and racism.  That some people respond to hatred with anger is quite
understandable.

> Even some Chinese-cu who have received a college education support the
       ^^^^
> use of nuclear weapons to crush Taiwan in the event that the Taiwanese
> declare independence.A savage with a diploma is still a savage.

     "Some Chinese-cu?"  Then why do you heap wholesale abuse and
condemnation on all of Chinese culture?  How are the opinions of
"some" people generalizable to all of Chinese culture?  How is the
one person who sent you this email message representative of the
whole of Chinese culture?

> A savage with a diploma is still a savage.

     And a racist with a Stanford degree is still a racist.  More's
the shame, given Stanford's reputation.

							George

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tychay@juliet.caltech.edu (Chay, Terrence Y.)
Subject: Operators are standing by...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:04:00 GMT

s.c.k'ers

  what are your favorite threads?
     1) China/Chua, Kheng/Hua Re: An open...
     2) Everybody is a sexist (was Re: Chopstick-....
     3) Korean Airline flights unwelcome in Taiwanese....
     4) Look!  Stupid Taiwanese!
     5) All you f*cking friend betraying koreans.
  (no particular order)
  Operators are standing by...

seriously, could someone mail me explaining threads #1 and #2? it seems i was
a little overzelous in my use of kill files *sigh*.  if it's not worth reading
then tell me that instead.

in the taiwan/PROC/korea thing.  what has happened recently?  i noticed that
clari.news.international has stopped carrying any reports.  perhaps that
means nothing has happened?  please mail or post.

i'd post more ignorant questions about korean culture, but i'm studying for
tests and really can't think of any... perhaps i'll go to the library
and read a few books first before i bother you all about it.  yes, i still
remember how to use a library (i think).

          -terrychay
                 TYCHAY@CITJULIE.BITNET
                 tychay@juliet.caltech.edu

p.s. someone was asking for jokes a while back to lighten s.c.k.  unfortunately
the only korean jokes i know involve either dogs or misinterpretation of 
english idiom :-( perhaps garnered from _yan can cook_ or something.
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Pride and arrogance
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:54:13 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <1473700038@igc.apc.org> An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org> writes:
>... By the way, to my feeling I - as a foreigner -
>experience less "rudeness" than I saw it during various kinds of conflicts
>between Koreans. Probably here I am saved by my ignorance and unawareness of
>what really might be going on around me :-)
>
>Goetz
>Seoul 1992/08/30

	Youl'll be surprised if you find how many Koreans (in Korea)
	think you - foreigners are rude since you don't do
	what Koreans expected for you to do (by their culture which
	you don't know) in Korea.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
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From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Apology for FAQ Delay (And even further...)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:13:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.030549.7336@news.columbia.edu> jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:
>P.S.  I just browsed through the s.c.k. first time after about 3 weeks.  It
>doesn't look like I have missed much, meaning everything is fine and normal.

Military has a specific term for this.  It is SNAFU (Situation Normal All
F***ed Up).  And that what s.c.k. has been, indeed.

James Choi

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From: s8923098@macgraw.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: Everybody is a sexist (was Re: Chopstick-cu-ge-ci)
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:55:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.015422.13544@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

  .....

|: Explanation:
|: 
|:   In almost all pre-industrial societies, male infants were much more
|
|You are safe by saying "almost all". The pre-industrial Malay society is
|riddled with cases of female sexism. The "adat perpateh" which is no longer
|widely practiced openly, gave the women full power over wealth, all men just
|have to follow. However women still do their traditional work of cooking and
|looking after the home, but some of them are known to do business. In fact
|women are the ones who are entrusted to do business.
|
|In the present Malay/native culture(I judge from my relatives and friends
|apparent behaviour), the women can be thought of as the "home" finance 
|minister. I do not do this, not yet, but I have the tendency to give all my
|money to my wife, which I may do in the future once she becomes more
|educated in the complex modern financial system.

Incidently, many Chinese do this because of tradition. My grandmother
used to control the finances. But this practice may be confined to
certain ethnic groups that make up the Han Chinese (my grandmother is
a Hakkanese).

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 00:06:42 GMT

In article <l9st75INNn1e@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>
melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Melinda Cheung) writes:
>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>		I wrote:
>		> But Dwight that is *EXACTLY* what you do. When you 
>		> don't like what a Chinese person says, you call them 
>		> twits, baboons, savages and barbarians.
>	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>	> Ms. Nordstrum, "Chinese person" is singular.  "Them" is plural.
>	> "Them" does not refer to a specific individual.  Hence, I am not
>	> directing my comments at a specific person.
>Ah well you caught my grammar mistake. It should have read "him" instead
>of "them."
>	> If "Chinese person" is not a "Chinese-cu person", then my comment
>	> doesn't apply.  However, if the "Chinese person" is a "Chinese-cu
>	> person", then my comment applies.
>So you are in essence calling that individual a twit/baboon/savage/barbarian.

No.  Generally, I do not call any specific person a "savage", for example.

There is a difference in the following.  What I generally say is,

    I.  The Nazis are savages.
        The Chinese-cu are savages.

This is different from what Chinese-cu savages frequently say.  For example,
they say,

   II.  Dwight is a f*ck*r and a J*p wanna-be.
        Jane Woo is a wh*t* *ssk*ss*r.

Category I is _not_ a personal attack.  Category II _is_ a personal attack.
There is a difference.

Unfortunately, Chinese-cu savages can't tell the difference, generally
speaking.  It is symptomatic of Chinese-cu culture in that Chinese-cu
people have a great deal of difficulty in distinguishing between
what is a personal attack and what is not.

I'll try my best, if I have time, to throw the brilliance of the
Western sun onto the pestilence fraught crevices of Chinese-cu
thought.  I understand that sunlight kills some forms of bacteria.

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From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
	<KYTAN.92Aug27113108@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com> <25859@dog.ee.lbl.gov>
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:44:44 GMT

In article <25859@dog.ee.lbl.gov> yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang) writes:

>>You might be interested to know that the Ching dynasty was Manchurian and was
>>never "Chinese" or "Han" per se.
>>

>Please.... the corrrect term for the ethnic group is "Manchu", not
>"Manchurian", which is a geographical or political term. I winced
>when during the movie "The Last Emperor" the Chinese officer alluded
>to the smell of Manchurian dogs in the palace.  Was that the cause
>for the renewed use of "Manchurian" on the network ?  Just a wild
>guess. 

And where do you think the "Manchus" came from?  Unless, you're saying that
they are the remnants of those who made it through the Great Wall in Kublai
Khan's time when the "Chinese" (Ming dynasty?) capital moved south from Peking
and thus are "Chinese" because they've been staying there for some time.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park)
Subject: Re: Iyagi4.3 and its full documents available at mtsg.ubc.ca(dir: br16) 
Keywords: hangul iyagi50.exe i43.zip
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:08:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.070803.22410@unixg.ubc.ca> jungjk@unixg.ubc.ca (Jinki Jung) writes:

>	ftp mtsg.ubc.ca
>	login: anonymous
>	password: your e-mail address 
>	cd br16
>	binary
>	get i43.zip 
>	bye

This is very nice of you but the latest version of iyagi is 5.x.
And can be found in kum.kaist.ac.kr.   Can you please put the newest
version to the above site or should I do ?  :-)

-- 
----
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Physics and Astronomy Dept. / park@anmsd3.msd.anl.gov  / AT&T ?  Because they 
Northwestern University    / B40180@ANLCV1.BITNET     / hire physicists.
From: rkim@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Roger J Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Employment Opportunity
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:43:18 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: uhhyung@kum.kaist.ac.kr (Uhhyung Choi)
Subject: Is ucbvax gateway working?
Organization: KAIST in Seoul Korea
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 17:35:15 GMT

Hi, s.c.k people!
I wonder if the ucbvax.berkeley.edu mail-news gateway still works.
I've posted an article days ago. Still I can't find it in the local
nntp server.

And does anybody have hlatex?.zip files originally uploaded at the
CAIR archive? I'm the one who first uploaded it, but I've lost the
backup copies accidentally. :(
I hope that somebody would upload it onto baram.kaist.ac.kr[143.248.1.51],
the new archive that would complement/replace CAIR archive.
Please tell me, experienced users, what I'm missing in that archive.
Thanks.

Uhhyung Choi
CS Dept., KAIST
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: mchoe@lands.syr.edu (Marv Choe)
Subject: Re: One question to netters from ROC ..
Reply-To: mchoe@lands.syr.edu
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 17:06:55 EDT


In article <1992Aug30.061318.20952@news.acns.nwu.edu> park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park) writes:

>In article <1992Aug30.024149.29888@beaver.cs.washington.edu> chou@cs.washington.edu (Pai Hsiang Chou) writes:
>
>>What the South Korea government should have done was dual
>>recognition of both Taiwan and China on equal grounds,
>
>If it were possible, I'm sure even the stupidest ROK government would have 
>done it.  PRC just wanted to sever the relation and ROK had not many choices.
>Is there any country maintaining the dual recognition ?  Enlighten me, please.
>

Yeah, they were stupid, at best.  I don't understand their logic.
PRC has full relation with North Korea, then why South Korea cannot have 
full relation with ROC ? 
I know it's not that simple, but at least they can argue about it. 
Was there an official statement about Korean War from PRC ?
As long as I know, none yet. 
I don't know what these so-called diplomats are trying to achieve.
Maybe, it'll help the presidential election.
--

Marv "Not-so-marvellous" Choe
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: One question to ROC netters ..
Date: 30 Aug 92 01:26:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Aug30.012633.16687
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

I just want to ask one question to netters from ROC.
If cutting realtion with ROK by ROC is in some way helpful to the recovery
of main land(presumably the ultimate official goal of ROC gov), would you 
support such a decision by ROC government ?

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:4047 soc.culture.asian.american:8633 soc.culture.asean:5838
From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Calling Dr. Nordstrom ...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Keywords: underdog
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:48:05 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thedarktower.corp.sun.com


underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
		I wrote:
		> But Dwight that is *EXACTLY* what you do. When you 
		> don't like what a Chinese person says, you call them 
		> twits, baboons, savages and barbarians.

	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
	> Ms. Nordstrum, "Chinese person" is singular.  "Them" is plural.
	> "Them" does not refer to a specific individual.  Hence, I am not
	> directing my comments at a specific person.

Ah well you caught my grammar mistake. It should have read "him" instead
of "them."

	> If "Chinese person" is not a "Chinese-cu person", then my comment
	> doesn't apply.  However, if the "Chinese person" is a "Chinese-cu
	> person", then my comment applies.

So you are in essence calling that individual a twit/baboon/savage/barbarian.

	Melinda
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From: looi@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Wan Looi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:55:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Aug27.185522.3774
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

>
>I have seen vietnamese do that too. I can understand how your Korean friend
>feels.
>
have you seen indians curse in tamil? boy, it will stick your hair up
if you understand the language... come on, ges.. don't hide yourself!

the bottom line is cursing can be done in any language, it's not unique
to chinese, vietnamese or korean. personally, i'll relate those who
like to use "bad" language as uneducated, rather than the speakers'
race or genetics. you're a bigot, anay!

-looi
From: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re:  Iyagi
Date: 26 Aug 92 04:54:35 GMT
Reply-To: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim)
Organization: Auburn University, Auburn, AL
Message-I.D.: <1992Aug26.041322.30776@eecs.nwu.edu>Lines: 13

Iyagi is of use in USA?

I removed it from HD, for I did not find where this was useful.

Can we get any advantage even in this net?
I think that posting will reject any code except low ASCII code on this
net.

If somebody is using this software efficiently in USA, would you give
me some examples? That will help me to communicate more effectively
with the most recognisable symbol, Hangul.
Thank you.
       
Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:3983 soc.culture.asian.american:8555 soc.culture.asean:5768
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 26 Aug 1992 10:24:38 CDT
From: <U58402@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japa

In article <1992Aug24.225239.15189@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) says:
>
>poison:    Chinese-cu culture
>antidote:  Western thought
>
Western thought includes rational thinking and an objective review of
facts. Mr. Joe has yet to show any evidence of the former and has
demonstrated a willingness to fabricate the latter.

Wilbur Pan
(aka u58402@uicvm.uic.edu
 at the ever so friendly and personal univ. of ill. at chicago)


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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Chinese-cu = chinese culture paradox - a happy solution?
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 22:49:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.021804.22374@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au>
eln314m@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Ms ML Hong) writes:
>...    
>    It is the Chinese feudalistic thinking which advocates the 
>oppression of women and male supremacy, which forbids/discourages 
>criticism or questioning of authority (either state or home), which 
>encourages blind loyalty, which demands loyalty of a Chinese to China and 
>the Chinese race, which believes Han supremacy and that minority tribes are 
>uncivilised and therefore lesser beings, etc etc that upsets Dwight Joe so 
>much.
>    Despite the fact that this sort of thinking is not prevalent anymore
>except in some ultra conservative Chinese families, bits of it still linger
>in many people's upbringing and beliefs....

Ms. Hong, I disagree that "this sort of thinking is not prevalent anymore".
An example would be the following e-mail that I received today; it apparently
advocates some sort of physical violence to quelch criticism of China and
Chinese society.

      From xiong@fzi.de Mon Aug 31 07:15:45 1992
      Return-Path: <xiong@fzi.de>
      Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 14:10:38 GMT
      From: Xiong Xun <xiong@fzi.de>
      To: underdog@leland.stanford.edu

      If I'd see you in front of me I'll surely cut
      off your dirty pig head and throw
      it into a manure pit at any price. Be aware of that,
      when you venomously slander
      Chinese in general you'll get someday what
      you deserved! You`re the most dislike 
      and disgusting person I've ever known. Until now
      I've always tried to persuade the
      other not to user personal attack words for anyone
      who expresses different 
      opinions. But this time I can't control me to
      warn you, a insane, uneducated beast.

As I've said before, Chinese-cu cultural is a perversion.  Americans
(including Asian-Americans) should support the RimPac92 military 
exercises, in which Japan will also participate for the first time;
those military exercises can serve as the basis of a future security
organization like NATO to protect Taiwan and other nations in ASEAN
from the militarily threatening mentality of China and her people.

Even some Chinese-cu who have received a college education support the
use of nuclear weapons to crush Taiwan in the event that the Taiwanese
declare independence.  A savage with a diploma is still a savage.

Have a nice day.

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