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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Song title ?
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:28:52 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Oct1.154448.411@hnrc.tufts.edu> rob_sy@hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>
>me and a friend are in an argument over the title of the song with the
>following words...
>
>"hey farmer farmer put away that ddt [now]
> leave the spots on my apples 
> and leave me the birds and bees please
>
> dont it always go to show
> you never know what you got
> till its gone
>
> they paved paradise 
> to put down a parking lot"

this is "The Big Yellow Taxi" by Joni Mitchell and found on the Ladies of
the Canyon album.

- nate
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: jbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James S Brown)
Subject: Re: Dylan and Interpretation
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:22:49 GMT

In article <Oct.1.09.05.37.1992.11312@gandalf.rutgers.edu> burnett@gandalf.rutg
ers.edu (Gary Burnett) writes:
>
>I want to ask for comments from all of you in r.m.d. land.
>
>What I'd like is any comments from you all about all this.  What
>do you think about interpretations of Dylan's songs?  Is it a
>worthwhile activity?  What's involved in such interpretations?  Is
>interpretation just an attempt to understand a song, or something
>more complicated?  Have you seen any interpretations that you
>particularly like or dislike?
>

Seems to me that if you're hearing the words (and with BD, let's face it, that 
can be a big if!), you're interpreting.  I know a lot of non-academics who 
accuse academics of "reading into" a work, whether it's a poem, a song, a 
novel, or whatever, but hey, let's face it--Dylan isn't writing into a vacuum.
He's writing words in the English language to be played over the radio, so he 
must figure somebody will be listening to them.  Even if they're nonsense 
words, it's okay to wonder why he's singing them.

The danger lies in thinking we can ever know what he means by them--we can't.  
We can know what they mean to us, though, and that's not without value, it 
seems to me.  I'm sure many of us have that one particular song that breaks our
heart every time we hear it; just because it doesn't break everybody's heart, 
that doesn't mean our reaction is not worthwhile, as long as we see it for what
it is.

Some interpretations bug me, I admit, especially ones that relate every line 
from a given song to Dylan's life.  I'm not denying that there are connections,
but give the man some credit for self-awareness.  He's only baring as much of 
his soul as he wants to, and I'm sure he has the capacity to MAKE STUFF UP 
every now and then.

I don't suppose people who don't believe in interpretations have read this far,
but if you have, if you really think that you listen to Dylan without
interpreting the songs, let me ask you this:  did you ever think "Masters of
War" is in any way an indictment of the Military-Industrial Machine?  If you
did, that's interpretation.  Have a grateful day!

--
-- 
Jim Brown [jbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu]
OSU English Dept.
Columbus, OH  43210                 Like Woody sez:  Take it easy--but take it.
614-292-6065
From: peteg@sequent.com (Pete Gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Really good albums
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:00:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct5.160059.853
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <1992Oct3.034211.5100@netcom.com> michel@netcom.com (Steve Michel) writes:
>
>>any other recent, really heavy-duty shit out there?
>
>T Bone Burnett's "The Criminal Under My Hat."

Wow!  This is the first mention of this fine album that I've seen on the net.
This is a superb album and one worthy of any Dylan fan's attention.  While I
am divided whether it's as heavy as Steve suggests, I acknowledge that there 
are lots of topical, emotional, and environmental songs and themes throughout
the album.  The twist is T-Bones sweet, almost boyish voice and the predominant
use of acoustic bluegrass instruments in a folk-rock format.  There are some
driving, electric numbers as well to round out the package.  You know, as I type
this and run the lyrics through my head, I'm beginning to agree more with Steve!
This is 'really heavy-duty shit', but it's done so subtly that it's almost
deceptive!  Worth a try.

Another nomination in the heavy-duty category:  T-Bone collaborator Peter Case's
       1989 masterpiece "The Man with the Blue Post-modern, Fragmented, 
       Neo-Traditional Guitar"

Obligatory Dylan comment/justification:  T-Bone toured with Dylan as part of the
      Rolling Thunder Review.


-- Pete
   peteg@sequent.com
From: farowich@hiwa61.seo.dec.com (Steve Farowich)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Dylan and Interpretation
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:12:00 GMT
Reply-To: farowich@hiwa61.seo.dec.com (Steve Farowich)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


I just listened to a Dylan interview (what an oxymoron!) with
Mary Travers.  I paraphrase:  "My songs are about feeling, not
thinking.  I find that when I think I get into trouble."


--
Steve Farowich
farowich@hiwa61.seo.dec.com
206-562-6422	FAX:562-8603

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     * One drawback of an active mind is that one can always     *
     * conceive alternative explanations. - Sherlock Holmes      *
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From: bloom@buast7.bu.edu (Steve Bloom)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Outlaw Blues CD
Date: 3 Oct 92 16:37:52 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Oct2.220031.13683@zip.eecs.umich.edu> raghu@nairobi.eecs.umich.edu (Raghu Mani) writes:
>This discussion of an album of Dylan covers brings us to the 
>question of - what are the best covers of Dylan songs ever. I'd
>nominate
[list ommitted]
I believe that this was a thread about two years ago, but here goes
it again:

I guess I'd say that my personal favorite is Fairport Convention's version
of "I'll Keep It With Mine". It's the masterful folk rock album, "What
We Did On Our Holidays" (Sandy Denny, of "Battle of Evermore" fame sings
lead). They also do other Dylan covers..ranging from psychedelic sounding
to very folksy sounding.

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: michel@netcom.com (Steve Michel)
Subject: Toronto; Apr 4, 1980
Summary: Great concert video surfaces
Keywords: Dylan
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:53:40 GMT


Toronto, Apr 20, 1980
 
A new Dylan video has recently surfaced. Filmed by Howard Alk in Toronto,
Apr 4, 1980, it captures an entire concert from the 79-80 leg of the Born
Again tour. If the Cynthia Gooding radio show was the audio tape of the year, 
this is the video tape of the year.
 
Dylan songs are:
 
Gotta Serve Somebody
I Believe In You
When He Returns
Ain't Gonna Go To Hell
Cover Down/Break Through
Man Gave Names to All the Animals
Precious Angel
Slow Train
Do Right To Me Baby
Solid Rock
Saving Grace
Saved
What Can I Do For You?
In the Garden
Are You Ready?
Pressing On
 
The tape is more than 2 hours long.
 
It's hard to find adjectives to describe this show. Dylan's performance on 
nearly every song, and the band's playing, is spot on. I don't think Bob 
has ever sung better, and rarely as good. This is especially true of I 
Believe in You, When He Returns, What Can I do For You, and Pressing On. 
He plays a breathtaking harp solo on What Can I Do For You (as Paul Williams 
stated, this harp solo is the answer to the question of the song's title). 
He plays piano on When He Returns and Pressing On (steps away from the piano &
sings the last half of the latter without playing a guitar). During Solid 
Rock, he takes the mike out of the stand, and electric guitar still strapped on
steps to the front of the stage and starts dancing (well, as close as Bob 
gets to dancing) while singing the song. Absolutely priceless.
 
It's always bothered me that we didn't have as good a record (so to speak) 
of the Born Again shows as we might. The tapes I have aren't up to the 
quality of tapes from late 80s shows. This changes that. Not only is it 
an excellent video preservation, but the sound is also superb.
 
I feel that this video is as good as the best of Dylan on video. Right up 
there with Renaldo & CLara, Hard Rain, the 84 Letterman show, Eat the Document,
and Don't Look Back. Even better than most of those, it is a consistent 
performance, an entire concert from beginning to end.
 
Alas, I have only one video deck, so can't as of today dupe the tape. But 
if you get a chance to get a copy of this, or see it, don't miss it.

Steve
From: CARIAN@auvm.american.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Rare & unreleased vol. 4-7 in february?
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:44:21 GMT
 <1992Oct5.123451.15559@prl.philips.nl>
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

In article <1992Oct5.123451.15559@prl.philips.nl>, maes@prl.philips.nl (Maurice
Maes) says:
>
>In article <1992Oct5.102031.15681@cs.ruu.nl> acbversp@cs.ruu.nl (Aart
>Verspuij)
>writes:
>>
>>
>>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-
>-
>>>Date      Artist/Group                    Title
>>>------    ------------------------
>-------------------------------------
>>(... list deleted...)
>>>   Feb    Bob Dylan                       Rare & Unreleased: Vol. 4-7
>[BD]
>>
>>From the file releases in the newsgroup rec.music.info.
>>
>>Does someone have details of this? I'd like to hear.
>>
>
>Volstrekt onbetrouwbaar. Degene die verantwoordelijk is voor deze entry
>had het van een vriendje in een platenzaak gehoord, enkele maanden geleden.
>
>Jammer, he?
>
Ani ishit aineni maivin hollandit.
Hevanti she'hasafa kan hi Anglit v'lo Hollandit, l'chen ani
mishtamesh rov ha-zman b'Anglit v'lo b'Ivrit.

Im kol ha-kavod la-hollandim she-hitzilu harbei y'hudim, adif
she-ba-atid yikht'vu anglit.

B'seder? Tov!
-Charles
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: georger@utoday.com (George Rothe)
Subject: Dylan quoted on TV
Organization: CMP Publications
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 13:18:30 GMT


Within the space of 30 minutes Dylan was quoted twice last night:

1)	Love and War...
	"I have a steady job, I live in a rent controlled apartment and
	 I can recite all the words to Subterranean Homesick Blues...I'm
	 a good catch!"

2)	Northern Exposure...
	"and as Bob Dylan said:"
	"A Hard Rain's a Gonna Fall."

well, CBS has my vote :-)

Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: mmg4w@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Malinda Marie Gunden)
Subject: uncategorized
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:24:20 GMT

I can't find a proper place to put what I want to say so I will
create my own uncategorized category.  I enjoy Dylan's songs
very much, as poetry, but sometimes when I hear him sing, I am
disappointed by his singing.  It seems that I enjoy some of his
songs best, when they are sung by someone else.  This does not
diminish his status, or my admiration for his talent.  I think
as a poet, he caught the feelings of a whole generation of
people--my generation--and for that he deserves the admiration
of all of us.  
		Malinda Gunden at the University of Virginia.
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: farowich@hiwa61.seo.dec.com (Steve Farowich)
Subject: Tape Swapping
Reply-To: farowich@hiwa61.seo.dec.com (Steve Farowich)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:10:10 GMT


I'm looking for people to swap some tapes with.


--
Steve Farowich
farowich@hiwa61.seo.dec.com
206-562-6422	FAX:562-8603

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     * One drawback of an active mind is that one can always     *
     * conceive alternative explanations. - Sherlock Holmes      *
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Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: bell-peter@CS.YALE.EDU (Peter Bell)
Subject: Really good albums
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 02:51:32 GMT

I have been watching this thread (which I have retitled and not quoted...)
delve into the deep, deep past....

I am really surprised that no one has mentioned the most recent Lou Reed 
composition, Magic and Loss, as amongst the albums *really* worth listening
to.....

An opera-head I know at one point said to me "name me one album in the rock 
genre that successfully delivers a theme and an emotion"  I shot back Blood 
on the Tracks without thinking twice.  *then* she said, "an existence proof is
good, and I grant you that, but are there any others to redeem the 
childishness?"  To be honest, I could not come up with anything right away, 
and we sort of moved on to other topics....  

Then I got Magic and Loss.  Then I sat her down and had her listen to it.
She had to admit I'd found a second.  In addition to Lou's fine work on the
album, there is a tremendous amount of Rob Wasserman stuff that is just 
amazing to hear.  

any other recent, really heavy-duty shit out there?

--Peter
bell@minerva.cis.yale.edu
From: jpa@llaor.unice.fr (Jean-Pierre Angoujard)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: test
Keywords: test
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:07:17 GMT
Reply-To: ol@mimosa.unice.fr
Organization: University of Nice - Sophia Antipolis, France
NNTP-Posting-Host: llaor.unice.fr

test....
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: andrew@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Andrew Shields)
Subject: Re: Young/Mellencamp
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:11:18 GMT

In <1992Sep25.200046.10738@eos.arc.nasa.gov> shafto@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Shafto) writes:
>What *should* Sinead sing?

>I claim it's got to be
>(a) simple
>(b) able to withstand highly melodramatic treatment

>... and I nominate
>"Knockin' on Heaven's Door"

>Any other nominations?

Wait a sec, here.  Is this a cut against Sinead?  I mean, I'm not
that much of a fan of her albums, which are good, but not great,
but her versions of "Someday My Prince Will Come" (on "Stay Awake")
and "You Do Something To Me" (on "Red, Hot and Blue") are both
wonderful, and neither is a "simple" song (check out those harmonies
on either one!).

So she should do "You're A Big Girl Now"!

Andrew

Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: mortene@Lise.Unit.NO (Morten Eriksen)
Subject: Lyrics
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 12:21:00 GMT

Since i cannot access this newsgroup in these days, I have to post
this article through a friend of mine. I'm looking for the lyrics
to the song 'Let's stick together'. I've already searched for it at
the Lyrics Archieves on ftp.uwp.edu. If anyone have it, I would be
happy if you could mail it to me. My email adress is:
sigurdr@edb.tih.no
-- 
 --------------------------------------------------------------------
 |     Sigurd Ringbakken                                            |
 |     email: sigurdr@edb.tih.no                                    |
 |     snailmail: Jonsborgvn. 5 7563 Malvik NORWAY                  |
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From: leekil@bbn.com (Lee Kilpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Elvis COstelloostello?
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:38:58 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <1992Sep30.222311.2528@scott.skidmore.edu> afishman@scott.skidmore.edu (adam fishman) writes:
>
>Is it true that Elvis Costello will be among the guests at MSG?
>If so... I was unaware that he and Dylan worked together or were even
>aquantences.  Or is it that Costello feels an obligation to pay
>tribute to one of the greatest influences in music alive today?  If


This may be the case.  Wasn't Costello one of many "new Dylans"?  He
may well be influenced by Dylan.

I got a book of photographs of Dylan, published in 1967, I don't
remember the exact name, but in many of the photographs there is a
remarkable resemblance to Elvis costello (I guess it's actually the
other way around).  Dylan's wearing sunglasses, I guess this helps
"remove" features which would make them look more different...



	Lee
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: michel@netcom.com (Steve Michel)
Subject: Re: Outlaw Blues CD
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:39:00 GMT

I'd add Jimi's version of "Like a Rolling Stone."
From: rosalia@insti.physics.sunysb.edu (Mark Galassi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Good Dylan CD's and Motorpsycho Nightmare
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:08:18 GMT
Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, SUNY at Stony Brook.



In article <1992Oct5.133825.2225@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> bdb023@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:

>   Hi all. I'm kinda new to this so please exscuse any wrongdoings. I'm
>   in the process of building a decent Cd collection, and of course what
>   collection is complete without a few dylan albums. I already have
>   Blood on the tracks(excellent disc) and nashville skyline(i partial to
>   counrty-rock). I'd like to get another disc and I've kinda narrowed
>   it down to three choices. Blonde on blonde, John wesley harding and
>   self-portrait. I'd like some opinions from some people who know 
>   Dylan well. I'm open for other suggestions also, except for the
>   Basement tapes which I have heard and really didn't care for.

I think you should definitely go for Another Side of Bob Dylan.  It
has some real classics like "It Ain't Me, Babe", and also has some
less-known masterpieces like "Motorpsycho Nightmare" (a song a lot of
Dylan fans don't know, but they like when I point it out to them).
Together with Blood on the Tracks (which you already have) I would get
this one.

A question for the Dylan experts here: I never saw the movie Psycho,
but there are some references to it in Motorpsycho Nightmare
(particularly in the shower verse).  I was wondering if anyone has
worked out the possible hidden meanings of all the verses.
--

    {These opinions are mine, and should be everybody else's :-)}
	Mark Galassi		rosalia@max.physics.sunysb.edu
				rosalia@eagle.lanl.gov
-- 

    {These opinions are mine, and should be everybody else's :-)}
	Mark Galassi		rosalia@max.physics.sunysb.edu
				rosalia@eagle.lanl.gov
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:51:31 EDT
From: Ross Whitwam <REW4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Dylan Tribute Update
 <92268.222030REW4@psuvm.psu.edu> <3920@sapwdf.UUCP>

In article <3920@sapwdf.UUCP>, hofmann@sapwdf.UUCP (Martin Hofmann) says:

rew4@psuvm.psu.edu (Ross Whitwam=RW)writes
georger@utoday.com (George Rothe=GR) writes

GR>>>Robbie Robertson and the Band 'weren't invited' (doesn't sound right).

RW>>Well, as Robertson and Levon Helm reportedly refuse to have anything
RW>>to do with one another, on stage or off, it seems unlikely that they
RW>>could get the whole gang together even had they wanted to.  (Well,
RW>>*impossible* I guess -- R.M., sigh.)

>Sorry to hear that. I have never heard that before; could you tell more on
>this group?

I'm afraid I don't know any of the details.  I remember hearing it for
the first time after Robertson, Danko, and Hudson were on the Genies
award show (the goofy Canadian equivalent to the goofy Grammies)
a couple of years back to receive some kind of career achievement award
for The Band.  Helm wasn't there, and a reviewer explained why, but
didn't explain the source of the antipathy between the two.  It might
have something to do with the fact that Robertson, despite being a
musical ace, is possibly the most pompous man in Rock; it might have
something to do with the fact that having once again taken over as the
leader of The Band, Helm has let this once great group sink down to the
level of The Beach Boys (which is pretty low...)  But these are just
speculations.  I have no idea of the true reasons for the feud.


GR>>> Does anyone know why this tribute
GR>>>seems to ignore the first 20 years of Dylan's career and comes at a time
GR>>>when he will release an album of traditional songs...

RW>>Ignoring the first 20 yrs?  I'd be surprised if even *one* Dylan song from
RW>>the past 15 years is played by anyone present.  (Mebbe "Long Black Coat"
RW>>gets an airing, but I don't expect anything else.)  The guests will play
RW>>Dylan's 60's songs, Dylan will play Dylan's 60's songs, is my prediction.

>I am afraid you are right.

My dream program for the show would have only one song from any one
album.  That would provide a nice 25-or-so song show, would force
Bob and guests to acknowledge the past two decades, and would
provide an interesting glimpse into Dylan's own opinion of his work
as he revealed which song from each album he considered most
appropriate for the show.

Ross Whitwam                  REW4@psuvm.psu.edu
Dept. Molec + Cell Biology
Penn State University


Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: jab@cs.brown.edu (James M. Borger)
Subject: Re: Good Dylan CD's and Motorpsycho Nightmare
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:15:49 GMT

On Psycho:
----------
Alright let's see what I can remember...

"...lookin' just like Tony Perkins..." (main actor in Psycho)
"Oh, no, no, I've been through this movie before."
"Rita moved away and got a job at a motel."

There's probably a few more I can't remember off hand...

On best albums:
---------------

Although I think Blonde on Blonde easily is his best, it's not as easy to get into
as many of his other albums.  If you're not really into Dylan already, it's
probably best to get an "easy" album (like Blood, Bringing It All Back Home, or
Freewheelin') that has good, catchy songs.  It's the same idea as if you're
trying to get someone into Dylan, play them Tangled Up in Blue, not She's Your
Lover Now (a better song by about 5 light years).

Jim Borger
From: pwssab@mips2.ma30.bull.com (Pws Sablime Login)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Dylan Tribute Update
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:25:47 GMT
Organization: Bull HN Informations Systems Inc.


>My dream program for the show would have only one song from any one
>album.  That would provide a nice 25-or-so song show, would force
>Bob and guests to acknowledge the past two decades, and would
>provide an interesting glimpse into Dylan's own opinion of his work
>as he revealed which song from each album he considered most
>appropriate for the show.

How about a 30 song show with one song from each year. Has he released songs
every year since 1962? If not, I'm sure they could fudge a couple.
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: ingrcfb@bnr.ca (Charles Board)
Subject: Re: Outlaw Blues CD
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 15:12:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.104034.3698@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>, u6409886@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au writes:

|> Portrait), and underrates Blood on the Tracks, describing simply as
|> "the best album of the decade, by anyone". The "of the decade" is of course
|> superfluous. 
|> 
|> 	Andrew Davies
|> 	Melbourne Uni

I usually rate "Blood.." as the second best album  ever made (occasionally "Layla" bumps
it into 3rd) but hey, it wasn't even the best album of 1975! "Born To Run"!
From: brummer@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Charlie Brummer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Outlaw Blues CD
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:37:59 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Oct02.151222.29081@brtph560.bnr.ca> ingrcfb@bnr.ca (Charles Board) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.104034.3698@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>, u6409886@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au writes:
>
>|> Portrait), and underrates Blood on the Tracks, describing simply as
>|> "the best album of the decade, by anyone". The "of the decade" is of course
>|> superfluous. 
>|> 
>|> 	Andrew Davies
>|> 	Melbourne Uni
>
>I usually rate "Blood.." as the second best album  ever made (occasionally "Layla" bumps
>it into 3rd) but hey, it wasn't even the best album of 1975! "Born To Run"!

Nah!  Blood on the Tracks is easily the best album ever made!  Well, IMHO.

Charlie
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