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From:         Mark Susskind <NY911179%PACEVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      April Ahead, October Other

Well, I successfully completed my conversion to Daylight Savings Time,
and now I feel just as sleepy at 9:45 AM EDT as I did at 9:45 AM EST.

I grew tired of the slogan, "Spring Ahead, Fall Back", so last year,
I contrived "April Ahead, October Other".
Besides, a retractable pen may 'spring back' many times in its life.

Much Lovin',
Mark R. Susskind <NY911179 @ PACEVM.BITNET>
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:03:23 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reflections on the matter of language change

> >Is this addressed to me or to The Ronin?  I'm confused.  I'm assuming it's
> >to The Ronin since he's the one who mentioned slang.  I don't think I've
> >said anything about slang, although I'm not quite sure why you're calling
> >it "a nonlinguistics term."
> well, it certainly needs an explantion and since you seem to be
> a linguist I thought you could enlighten the discussion.

Are you saying you don't know what the term "slang" means?  Since most
of the people on this list do know what it means, perhaps it would be
less boring for everybody else if you made a quick trip to the UGA
library and looked it up.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Today
              15 Apr 1992 05:11:26 CDT from <maynor@CS.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Wed, 15 Apr 1992 05:11:26 CDT Birthday Dog said:
>Guess who's ten years old now...
>                        o/.\____/
>         -- Bernard      \______|
>                         / \  / \

Happy birthday, Sir Bernard!

Evelyn
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:33:46 CDT
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From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell%PANAM1.PANAM.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: New Voices on the list
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>So Anne, does this make me 'Fresh Meat' too?  Or *extremely*
>spoiled...? :-)  [I know, I know, you guys spoil me all the time :-)]

Graham,

You were, are and ever shall be "strange meat." But that's OK, becuase "some of
my best friends are strange meat."

-abh
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From:         Theresa Wild <TWILD%URIACC.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Antiquity Roll Call

  I wasn't on at the beginning, but joined Words-L before it left Yale.
 There was a migration of people who belonged to the Folklore list when
 the list became moderated.  If I remember correctly (and maybe I don't)
 it was Natalie who brought the Words-L list up and many people moved
 at that time.

  What ever happened to cousin Leonard Abby and Quincy host of the
 4th of July barbacue?

  Has anyone contacted Ruth the original BWP about the RI clambake?
 Since she was in Hartford she could probably come.

Theresa Wild
TWILD@URIACC.URI.EDXU
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From:         Carol Goodson <CGOODSON%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CompuServe Flat Rate - New

I really wonder if there isn't some catch though...I get my PROFS account for
$6.00/month--and even though I hardly use CompuServe anymore, it's still more
than that each month.... besides, the really attractive services cost too much
to offer under the flat rate... investigate before you invest....I have to
admit, though, I love using the CompuServe Information Manager software.
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:17:00 EDT
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore"
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Subject:      Re: the free press

Rita--

I think calling electronic communication the "virtual press" might not
be a good idea.  Prodigy has used the excuse that it is an "electronic
newspaper" as the reason why it should be allowed to censor any posting
it doesn't like.  They say, "We're an electronic newspaper, so our
'editors' have the right to choose what they wish to 'print'."  I don't
think they've ever used that excuse in a court of law, but I certainly
wouldn't want such a definition to gain legal legitimacy.

--Aaron
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:14:09 EDT
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From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L in Cambridge
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              "RKESSLER@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU" at Apr 9, 92 8:52 pm

OK, I'm the second back, so I'll report in.

	Wow.  What a cool bunch of people we hang out with!
Ok, Anne Haycock looked a lot like I expected her to.  Not much
like the Deadhead she professes to be, but what do you expect from
a displaced Denveronian?  Bill Merrill also looked a lot like I
expected him to.  Lisa Alfieri surprised me a bit -- pleasantly.
From her postings I didn't expect her to be nearly so attractive
both physically and personality-wise.  Mama Primate is now the
official words-l Harley Mama.  What an outfit!  Jim Bradley I
didn't have too clear a picture of in the first place because he
doesn't post that often.  Joan graciously conveyed greetings
between her sysop and myself!  I had originally had a different
mental picture of the Robeymeister, but after revising it to
fit his description, it pretty much matched up.  Paul seemed
nice, though I wasn't down at that end of the table.  Rod
immortalized the occasion for us on film!

	Everyone was amazingly wonderful.  Thanks so much
to the RI contingent for coming up and crashing!!!!!  It was
fantastic meeting everyone.  Waiting for the Clambake to meet
everyone else (esp. Natalie, the Lobstrosity, Ken, Adam, and
are the Lesters coming out?) is going to be worse than waiting
for Christmas when I was 7 years old.  But it's going to be
*more* than worth it!!

Czarina
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:42:35 CDT
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From:         Frank Peters <fwp%CC.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Old-Timers? Generation X?
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In article <01GIKP6BYWMO000QL4@drew.drew.edu> Adam M Hartfield
 <AHARTFIE%DREW.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU> says:
>Well then, I guess I'm in my virtual middle age, since I started
>reading words-l Feb. of 1990 or  so.

I can't decide whether I am an old timer or a newbie.  I joined the
list for the first time not long after Natalie (ahh...the good old days
of homegrown software on a Univac 1100).  Since that time I have left
and rejoined and left several times (Natalie can attest...I'm obsessive
about eliminating my email clutter).  But I've always been sort of
involved with the list in one way or another through Natalie (I can
remember when she slipped up in the list update for example...her
email was hilarious).

But I only started reading the list with any regularity when the usenet
gateway became operational.  I still haven't figured out whether usenet
readers are real members.

--
Frank Peters  -  UNIX Systems Programmer  -  Mississippi State University
Internet: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu  -  Phone: (601)325-7030  -  FAX: (601)325-8921
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Gleanings (39)

Chris Mohoney ? I don't know if I even remember the name right. He is
someone who subscribed to the list at about the same time as Lisa A.
There are people who are well known for a single work; Chris Mohoney is
one of them. People will quote his sig till it is half as old as time.

"Half as old as time": another catch-phrase which is an example fo the
only thing its author is known for. The line is (I think) "The rose-red
city half as old as time." Who wrote it, I don't know.


Gedankenexperiment is a thought experiment. I suspect the word was really
made fashionable only by Einstein. I bring this up here because of a "prank"
we played in our college once: nothing much - labelled the physics teachers'
common room as a gedankenlab. It was supposed to be a searing critique of
armchair intellectuals, but unfortunately all the profs were very flattered,
which took the wind out of our sails.

tushar
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:21:00 EDT
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From:         BUHITELA%SUNYJCC.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Bernard's b-day!

From:   NAME: Les Buhite
        FUNC: Visual and Performing Arts
        TEL: (716) 665-5220                   <BUHITE, LES AT A1 AT JCCV03>
To:     IN%"WORDS-L@UGA"@MRGATE@JCCW22


Tybalt, Titania, and Spanky (named for a _very_ obscure Shakespearean character)

send their warmest regards, and wish you another seventy dog-years (at least)
of late night noisy personal hygiene. But they wonder why a nice lady like
Natalie would waste her time with a dog when they are so many deserving cats
in the world, who at least know how to lick themselves quietly and can be
trusted to shit indoors, and as proof of their intelligence, refuse to do any
tricks. And have you noticed that many a dog comes to "kitty, kitty, kitty"
but rare is the cat that comes to "doggy, doggy, doggy..."?
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From:         CGOODSON%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Goodbye
              15 Apr 1992 13:27:00 EST from <AXD7104@ACFCLUSTER.NYU.EDU>

On Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:27:00 EST Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore said:
>I've tried the freenet before, and couldn't stand it.
---what didn't you like about it?  I signed up but never used it...

TELNET eats up my account allotment as much as anything

---can't you just dial in to a local computer center and use the network
for free?  That's what I used to do (from home) before I had an account...
I couldn't do e-mail (because I had no address) but I could connect to
anything else I wanted with a local call to Georgia Tech....doesn't this
work everywhere?
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Date: 14 Apr 92 11:45:24 GMT
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>Since it's much harder to convince the non-believers of sociolinguistic
>truths, I'll try a historical approach, albeit with touches of value
>judgments in it ...

I take back what I attributed to Natalie, and disagree with her that
this is a sociolinguistic truth.

tushar
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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 06:15:57 EST
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From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      First Posting of Sunday

Hey, I haven't even had coffee yet....it's making now.  I'm going to
Memphis this afternoon till Tuesday afternoon, not setting nomail.
(You may bet on how many new pieces of mail, I have, but since the
mail counter is off, it won't be accurate.)

Still haven't written my two talks, still need to do laundry. I usually
don't dry my clothes, but I think I'll do that today.... And I noticed
that I can't remember where my tickets are....

A Distracted Karen
who learned to read at 4, from elder sibs.

P.S. Oh yeah!  Bye, see you later, have a good time without me...

P.P.S.  I kept all my birthday greetings, and am trying to respond
to them,but it's hard when you're a crazy woman!!
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: sad thought
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On Sat, 11 Apr 1992, Carol Goodson wrote:
Natalie Maynor said:> >
> >Generalization alert:  *In general* my students who went to public
> >schools *tend* to be better than those who went to private schools.
> >That is especially noticeable for the ones from Starkville, Mississippi.
> >(That, of course, may be related to the fact that most of the university
> >faculty and staff, a pretty significant segment of the population of
> >Starkville, are staunch supporters of public schools.)
>
> Just food for thought...could it be because private schools in the North
> were begun in order to provide a better education, while private schools in
> the South were usually founded to avoid integration?

But not *all* of them!  Two of my most rewarding years of teaching were
spent at the Hallie Turner Private School in Opelika, Alabama, a school
which was *not* segregated. (And this was in the early '70s).
ndh
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:10:08 MST
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Lurker Report
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              4 Apr 1992 14:18:00 MDT from <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

On Sat, 4 Apr 1992 14:18:00 MDT The Ronin said:
>     Either my memory or my filing system is failing me.  I seem to
>recall someone asking for a defintion of 'lurker', but I don't
>remember seeing an answer or answering the question myself, nor can I
>find the message in my archived e-mail.  So, I'm going to waste
>bandwidth (gasp) and put it out the list in general.
>
>     A lurker is someone who is signed up for a list and reads it, but
>doesn't actively participate in the discussions.  There is some
>haziness as to whether or not a single posting invalidates one's
>lurker status, and if not what frequency would.  One may also be a
>lurker on one list and an active participant on another.

Well, occasional posting is ok to remain a lurker....at least according
to the Jargon File/Hacker's Dictionary.....

lurker n. One of the 'silent majority' [gee, on here its probably a silent
minority, but i digress.....so what's new...] in a electronic forum;
[the 'a electronic' in original....any debates on whether it is an error
or not?]  one who posts occasionally or not at all but is known to read the
group's postings regularly.  This term is not pejorative and indeed is
casually used reflexively: 'Oh, I'm just lurking.'   Often used in 'the
lurkers,'  the hypothetical audience for the group's flamage-emitting
regulars.


Now the debate on what "occasional" and "regularly" mean in quantitative
terms that can be determined  by statistical analysis of the listserv
stats.

dan
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 08:32:00 PST
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN

>> P.S. to Natalie:  I am glad you are having these discussions with Chris
>> et al. about language and rules, etc. and not me.  You do a much better
>> job of articulating a point of view that I share with you (for the most
>> part) than I could.
>
>But I thought I was doing a *terrible* job of it!!  You are being kind.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Yipes! In one form or another, Natalie and I usually do this every 6 months or
so.  But I always think (and rightly so, since she gets paid to do this :-) )
that Natalie ends up explaining her points much more succinctly and
understandably than do I.  I always feel as though I'm pushing the boundaries
of my thinking and knowledge, kind of like exploring beyond the end of the
universe.

No, Natalie, you're not doing a terrible job.  You keep causing me to rethink
and question what I write (of course, this can only help me in the long run).

Chris
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 10:09:38 EDT
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From:         QXN148%URIACC.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Today

>Posted on 15 Apr 1992 at 06:13:47 by Uriacc Mailer (002033)
>
>Today
>
>Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 05:11:26 CDT
>Reply-To:     English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@UGA.BITNET>
>From:         Birthday Dog <maynor@CS.MSSTATE.EDU>
>
>Guess who's ten years old now...
>                        o/.\____/
>         -- Bernard      \______|
>                         / \  / \

Happy Birthday Bernard
Lisa
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From:         RKESSLER%RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Bumper sticker: Play it safe...
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At long last my order to MILES KIMBALL for bumper stickers arrived--
the ones that read Play it Safe: Use a comma. I'll go back through
my files and see who wanted one--I know Rita did. With S & H it'll
probably be $2 apiece.
     We;ll be using some of these as fund raisers for the Salem State
(undergraduate) English Society, of which I'm the advisor. This coming
Monday--a holiday in Mass.--I'm hosting a brunch at the apartment here.
It's rare for a Salem State student ever to see the insides of a professor's
home. I'm making quiches and hoping for the best. As an undergraduate I
was occasionally invited to dinner at my advisor's--and that seemed an
honor. Do those of you who teach invite students over? Were you invited
when you were undergraduates?
-Rod

Rkessler@RCN.MASS.EDU
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:06:26 -0500
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Big Weekend
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> Everyone enjoy the weekend, whether in a religious or
> a secular way, or in some odd combination...
>
> love, judith

Thank you, Judith...hope your holiday is enjoyable, too.
ndh
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Mail bar codes

Does anyone know how to read the bar codes found on mailed envelopes these
days? Or at least where I can get the info.  The guys as the post office hadn't
a clue.

Chris
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From:         Rita <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (39)
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>My older one, especially, thinks it's somehow inappropriate for ol'
>dad to watch stuff like that: he's at that age (almost 14) where he is
>starting to think I live to embarrass him.  Only when I'm awake, Jake,
>kid....


        Give him a few years.  My brother's 20.  He and Dad compare
notes.

Rita
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*** Resending note of 04/17/92 09:09

>First you draw your dog like a cat, now you give it a
>female name!  Are you trying to give your animal an identity crisis or what?..

Well Muffy is smaller than most cats, has much more fur than most cats, his
best friend (animal) is a cat, and has a lot of cat-like ways ...but he
can't jump from the floor to the top of the refrigerator in the garage.
And he eats strange food - brocolli, brussel sprouts, beans, glaupes...
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From:         Steve Portigal <stevep%SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      bonus points?
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  Do I get BWP bonus points for coining the phrase tarmac rugrats?

just wondering

Steve Portigal, USMC
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore"
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Subject:      Re: Fitting in

> Still the Wayne Green empire.  Yes, he started Byte...and yes it was


Didn't he sell all his mags (including CD Review) to the company that
owns MacWorld, PC World, etc for an incredible sum of $$$?  I know he
still writes those editorials (I read 73 and CD Review regularly);
it's 50% of why I buy them.  I always wondered whether he's a
brilliant mind or just a blowhard, or both.  He just seems so...angry
for someone who's succeeded so well.

--Aaron
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Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN

>I agree with everything you have said except for your use of the word
>"rules."  To me the rules of language are what you are calling "systems."

But they're not the same. The rules are part of what make a system. But the
system goes beyond the rules. Rules, even as you are using the term, are in
large part arbitrary. Systems, though composed of arbitrary entities, are not
arbitrary. They have to be "systematic" else the system breaks down.

Any programming language, though composed of arbitrary commands, functions or
whatever, are still pretty systematic in their application.  In other words,
you can have all the rules but they must be applied systematically or the
system breaks down.

Chris
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