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From: wscott@fws226.intel.com (Wayne Scott - ICD Coop)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: Favourite DOMAIN/OS features (or mis-features)
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:36:46 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation

In article <5a29eefd.cb12@dabo.citi.umich.edu> Jim.Rees@umich.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.080828.23127@eurotherm.co.uk>, nc00@eurotherm.co.uk (Neil Corlett) writes:
>
>I've got a compress type manager that runs on pre-sr10.4 systems, but I
>don't know if it's redistributable.
>

I would REALLY like a compress type for 10.3.  Can you check if it is
redistributable?

Does anyone else have a compress for 10.3?

Wayne Scott
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.apollo:3083 comp.sys.hp:8392 comp.periphs.printers:2192
From: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Lipman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.hp,comp.periphs.printers
Subject: Printing to Tektronix
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:25:46 GMT
Reply-To: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Lipman)
Followup-To: comp.sys.apollo
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

We have a Tektronix 4693DX printer hooked up to an Apollo
network running Domain/OS 10.3.5.  We prf gpr bitmaps to
the printserver to get hardcopy on the 4693DX.

Tektronix is offering an upgrade for the 4693DX to turn it
into a Phaser II PXi for $2K.

If we upgrade the printer, will we still be able to send
gpr bitmaps to the printserver?  Will we have to convert the
bitmaps to postscript?  Will the printserver convert them to
postscript?  Can the Phaser II PXi handle bitmaps in addition to
postscript files?  Can the Phaser II PXi be connected to an
HP 720 running HP-UX and send it HP-GL files?  If so, what do I
need on the HP side to send to the printer?

Bob Lipman                        | Internet: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil
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Bethesda, Maryland  20084-5000    |

She sells C shells by the seashore.
From: thompson@PAN.SSEC.HONEYWELL.COM ((jt) John Thompson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: re: 425t EISA bus
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:22:54 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


> >The 4xxT series nodes were marketed to have no EISA expansion capabilities.
> >However, they obviously have an EISA bus, since they can take an ATR or ITR
> >card.  This leads me to ask two questions --
> 
> Sorry, but they don't have an EISA bus at all.  The ATR/ITR/Ethernet
> cards are *ISA* cards (aka AT bus style cards).  The "bus" in the 425t
> is NOT a full ISA bus like the Dn3000/3500/4000/4500/5000 or 425s but
> it is a crippled bus.  It does not support dma.  I forget if there
> are other limitations.
Okay.  I had heard that it was crippled in some way, but didn't know how.  That
(unfortunately) makes sense.  Sigh.

> >2)  There are now expanders out for the 700 series that convert a single EISA 
> >    slot to a 7-slot(?) EISA bus, via (I believe) a card w/ extender cable, 
> >    ...
> Different animule altogether.  That's a *real* EISA bus as opposed to
> a crippled ISA bus.
Unfortunately, probably the same animal.  I may be wrong, but I assume from 
the description that the EISA expansion runs into the single slot, and thence
to the rest of the bus.  Assuming that's true, I'd have an EISA bus feeding
into a crippled ISA bus.  No work'll get done through that setup.   :-(


Oh well.  I had hoped to be able to make some 425t nodes act as ethernet
machines only (or use the expander to get another slot), and use the 
slot for an ExaTape card (Pertec reel-to-reel), or an Ikon card (Versatec 
differential parallel printers), or a <something_else_altogether> but I 
guess it is not to be.


-- jt --
John Thompson
Design Services Engineer / Sys-Admin
Honeywell, SSEC
Plymouth, MN  55441
thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com

What do I know?  I'm just a Token Administrator.
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From: jdc@naucse.cse.nau.edu (John Campbell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Changing registries
Keywords: rgyadm
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:26:16 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ

This is possibly easy, but I've read the man pages and experimented
enough to be pretty frustrated...

I acquired three apollos (res, ind, cap) from another department.
These ran with the master registry on res.  I want to join these three 
machines to the existing network of four four other apollos (hyd, oxy, 
car, nit) where car holds the master registry.  

None of the accounts (or user files) are needed from the old machines.
It would be "perfect" if I could simply get them to accept that the
master registry was now on car instead of res.  However, the procedures I've
read seem to involve copying and not replacing master registries.  I
naively hoped stopping glbd on res would "magically" let everyone find
the new master registery.

Fiddling with rgy_admin and trying to permanently change the master
(change_master) doesn't seem to work.  I get "current master is unknown,
default host: unspecified".   /com/lcnode reports all the above machines 
just fine.  They are all catalogued properly (I believe).  Right now, 
I've stopped glbd and rgyd on res.  This means every log in currently
uses local registry and fails to find a global server.

What do I need to do to get res, ind, and cap to use car as the registry
master?
-- 
	John Campbell               jdc@naucse.cse.nau.edu
                                    CAMPBELL@NAUVAX.UCC.NAU.EDU
From: rees@pisa.citi.umich.edu (Jim Rees)
Subject: Re: Information on TRCE and TRCV
Reply-To: Jim.Rees@umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan IFS Project
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:17:13 GMT

In article <9207161355.AA01210@cel.cummins.com>, philip@cel.cummins.com (Philip D. Pokorny) writes:

  If I remember correctly, the TRCE and TRCV commands were added
  by a company called Trillium (sp?) and the code handed back to
  Apollo.  The commands were never documented.  They appear to
  work just like the CE and CV commands they are named after. 
  They are usefull if you want to see line numbers alongside your
  text.

You can also use the recno type manager (in /domain_examples/streams).  This
will work anywhere, not just in the DM.  I don't find it very useful myself.
From: chris@ceco.ceco.com (Chris Icide)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Upgrade DN3550?
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:26:23 GMT
Organization: Commonwealth Edison Co.

I am currently running two DN3550s.  One has OS 10.3.1 and I have
put OS 10.4 on the other.  I have contacted HP/Apollo's help line and
they suggested that I upgrade my systems to a DN5500 for more power.

If anyone has been through this process, could you please let me know
how it went, and any bugs/problems I should be prepared to deal with.

					Thanx in advance,
						Chris

Internet: chris@bynps0.byr.ceco.com
From: ericw@hobbes.amd.com (Eric Wedaa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: copying disks????
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:11:30 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

I have a silly question...  Under SunOS I can do a dd of one system
disk to another system disk, and then boot off of the new disk.
(Thus a full install of a new workstation takes 15 minutes of my
time.)  Can I do the same thing under Domain OS?  And if I can, what 
are the magic files that I would need to change????

>>Ericw
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: uch024@zx1 (Lothar Koniczek)
Subject: Re: Mtools on Apollo
Reply-To: uch024@zx1.hrz.uni-dortmund.de
Organization: University of Dortmund (Germany), Department of Chemistry
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: world 
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:21:16 GMT

uhl@oracle (Walter Uhl) writes:
: I started playing around with Mtools last week.  Got everything
: to compile fine but found that when I executed "mdir a:" the 
: floppy spins up and mdir reports back "Cannot initialize 'A:".
: 
....and so on....
: Thanks for the help.
: 
: Walter Uhl
: 
: email to uhl@solaria.hac.com   Not to the header address.

Well, i encountered the problem when i tried to compile the mtools.
So what is the device one should use for mtools.

As i was forced to archive some of my software i formatted a disc
with invol and tried to mount it in the filesystem with mtvol.
The answer from DomainOS was frustrating:

?(mtvol) Unable to mount volume - no right to perform operation 
(OS/ACL manageer)

So does anyone know what has to be done to make the mtvol run?
In fact our Sysadmin doesn't know either :-(

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From: chuck@edsi.plexus.COM (Chuck Tomasi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: BZONE for Domain -where can I find it?
Date: 20 Jul 92 16:03:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Jul20.160309.27695
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

Where can I find bzone for Domain?  I don't care if it is run under
Xdomain or Display Manager.  I looked on the Interworks ftp site, but
only found the one for HP-UX (comp.hp/bzonec.hp.tar.Z).  There was
nothing in comp.apollo unless I missed the obvious.

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chuck@edsi.plexus.COM    |      how to turn him on." 
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From: krowitz@QUAKE.MIT.EDU (David Krowitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re:  BZONE on the Spark or PC
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:57:44 GMT
Organization: The Internet

The Fortran code for BZONE is in the non-anonymous portion of the
InterWorks library (you must actually log into the node to get
access to the full 500+ Mb library -- this entails having an
InterWorks membership, which is free of charge. If you are not
an InterWorks member, send email to Carol Relph, our manager of
membership services at "relph_c@apollo.hp.com". Details on getting
access to the full library can be gotten from our librarian,
David Shaw, via email to "librarian@iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu" ).

The Fortran code for BZONE uses Apollo GPR graphics calls, not X
Windows calls. X is just too damn slow on anything less than a
68040 or RISC platform, and we wrote the program to run on a
DN460/660 originally. The C version uses X, and is a translation
of the origianl Fortran code plus some additions.

== Dave Krowitz
From: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au (Robi Karp)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: Problems with 10.4
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:56:09 GMT
	<1992Jul23.144508.4401@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
Reply-To: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au
Organization: Expert Solutions Australia


[ some problems deleted ]

A problem we have, apart from the ones already mentioned, is trying to
run an emacs locally. That is, if I am using a node as my display (via
X) and I want to run emacs on this node, then emacs seems to not
process X events. If I want to run it on another node and display
locally, then it's OK.

	- Robi
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From: uhl@oracle (Walter Uhl)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: Mtools on Apollo
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:53:14 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Sorry.  Maybe my original and follow-up postings have not been very clear.
My the following will help;


				MTOOLS
			      version 2.0

Mtools is a public domain collection of programs to allow Unix systems
to read, write, and manipulate files on an MSDOS filesystem (typically a
diskette).

The following MSDOS commands are emulated:

Mtool 		MSDOS
name		equivalent	Description
-----		----		-----------
mattrib		ATTRIB		change MSDOS file attribute flags
mcd		CD		change MSDOS directory
mcopy		COPY		copy MSDOS files to/from Unix
mdel		DEL/ERASE	delete an MSDOS file
mdir		DIR		display an MSDOS directory
mformat		FORMAT		add MSDOS filesystem to a low-level format
mlabel		LABEL		make an MSDOS volume label.
mmd		MD/MKDIR	make an MSDOS subdirectory
mrd		RD/RMDIR	remove an MSDOS subdirectory
mread		COPY		low level read (copy) an MSDOS file to Unix
mren		REN/RENAME	rename an existing MSDOS file
mtype		TYPE		display contents of an MSDOS file
mwrite		COPY		low level write (copy) a Unix file to MSDOS

You should be able to just close your eyes and pretend you're on an MSDOS
system.  Everything should work the same... except for the added 'm' at
the beginning of each command.


Emmet P. Gray				US Army, HQ III Corps & Fort Hood
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fthood!egray@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu		Directorate of Engineering & Housing
					Environmental Management Office
					Fort Hood, TX 76544-5057

This is taken from the Readme file in the Mtools distribution.  Now maybe my
previous questions will be alittle more clear.  

Thanks  Walter Paul Uhl

email to  uhl@solaria.hac.com
From: wjw@ebh.eb.ele.tue.nl (Willem Jan Withagen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: DomainOS 10.3 and DN550/560/660
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:29:57 GMT
Reply-To: wjw@eb.ele.tue.nl
Organization: Digital Systems, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

In article <1409@lysator.liu.se>, pen@lysator.liu.se (Peter Eriksson) writes:
=> I think I have seen a notice about where to FTP bug fixes to some problems
=> we've seen with the X server as distributed with the 10.3 release. Anyone
=> know if and where that site is? (The most annoying problem is that the
=> mouse isn't working correctly...)
=> 
I've got this in my ~/.netrc file: (it ain't much :{ )

machine hpcvaaz.cv.hp.com
login anonymous

Which is where i fetched the xdl_traits{.2}.

Now if you're after those, you can also find then at:
	ftp.eb.ele.tue.nl:/pub/apollo/X/.....

But you first might want to check the date on the files in the states.
ll xdl*
   4 -rwxr--r--   1 wjw           593 Nov 25  1991 xdl_traits.2.README*
2744 -rwxr--r--   1 wjw       2804495 Nov 25  1991 xdl_traits.2.wbak.Z*
   4 -rwxr--r--   1 wjw           568 Nov 25  1991 xdl_traits.README*
1884 -rwxr--r--   1 wjw       1924829 Nov 25  1991 xdl_traits.wbak.Z*

	Willem Jan
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From: dwv@ENGIN.UMICH.EDU (Doug Vander Wilt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: Mtools on Apollo
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:37:09 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

I've also been trying to utilize mtools (version 2.0) on Domain/OS.  I
can access the virtual hard disk files used with DPCE/DPCC, but have not
been able to access DN series built-in or SCSI connected floppy drives. 
Here's some of the devices I've tried:

struct device devices[] = {
	{'A', "/dev/rmts14", 0L, 16, 0, (int (*) ()) 0, 80, 2, 18},
	{'C', "$HOME/user_data/dpcc_hard_disk", 8704L, 16, 0, (int (*)()) 0, 0, 0, 0},
	{'R', "/dev/dpcc_scsi_floppy", 0L, 12, 0, (int (*) ()) 0, 80, 2, 18},
	{'S', "/dev/dpcc_scsi_floppy", 0L, 16, 0, (int (*) ()) 0, 80, 2, 18},
	{'\0', (char *) NULL, 0L, 0, 0, (int (*) ()) 0, 0, 0, 0}
};

# (this is actually using the SCSI magtape driver)
# although it fails, the floppy drive's select light does come on
though $ mdir a:
init: open: No such file or directory
$ mdir c:
 Volume in drive C is VANDER WILT
 Directory for C:/

COMMAND  COM       24482    8-27-86  12:00p
DOS              <DIR>      2-18-92   8:26a
DPCI             <DIR>      2-18-92   8:27a
AUTOEXEC BAT         175    4-26-89   8:13a
...
      14 File(s)     18964480 bytes free
$ mdir s:
Probable non-MSDOS disk
mdir: Cannot initialize 'S:'
$ crddf /dev/dpcc_scsi_floppy -display
SCSI ddf
ddf version:   100
bus number:    0
target id:     3
user info:     "                                                                "

I've been fumbling with: mkdsk, mknod, mkdev, mkdevno, crddf and have
not found an acceptable raw floppy device for mtools.  Any suggestions?

Doug Vander Wilt
Honeywell MICRO SWITCH Division
dwv@cadnet.micro.honeywell.com
From: philip@cel.cummins.com (Philip D. Pokorny)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Name to addresses
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:24:33 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Shaun Pankau writes:
> Our university has a class B address (147.26) and a domain
> (swt.edu), but does not have a master name server.  Most of
> the Internet access from this university is via our VAX cluster
> (yuk) and we use another university to resolve name requests.
> 
> I look after a group of apollo nodes, one of which is connected
> to the campus backbone ethernet.  This has enabled us to avoid
> using the VAX :)  We also use the remote name server to resolve
> names to addresses, but when we try to log into a site that
> expects us to have a name we get rejected.
> 
> QUESTION:  how do I configure the apollos to have recognizeable
> names?
> i.e. I would like to be able to connect to a site without being
> told that our IP address does not resolve to a name and
> then get rejected.

First of all, make sure your Apollo ring has a subnet of
the B address assigned to it and make sure that your University
is ROUTING it's B subnets and not just BRIDGING.  It sounds like
you have an Apollo Token Ring network with a dual-network 400 or
other machine.  If so, and you can /etc/ping from a Token Ring
ONLY machine to the outside world (like the VAX) and get
replies, then everything should be fine.

Next you have two options.

1. Talk to the "other" university and get them to add your node
id's (That's TCP/IP addresses and names) to their NAMED name
server.

2. Run NAMED on your dual-network Apollo node (perhaps all of
them?).  Set up a sub-domain name (foo.swt.edu) and inverse
address domain  (xxx.26.147.in-addr.arpa).   You will need to
tell that "other" university to add your new domain name and
addresses to their domain "tree's".  If all that goes well, then
you problem should be solved...

As always, consult local manuals and gurus for more detailed
information.  There is a section in the Managing BSD4.3 System
Software and Managing SysV System Software manuals on setting up
named.

Sincerely,
Philip D. Pokorny
philip@cel.cummins.com
:)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: hollaar%basset.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Lee Hollaar)
Subject: Re: Mtools on Apollo
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:14:24 MDT
Summary: Might not be possible
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

It might not be possible to port mtools to the Apollo under Domain/OS.
A standard PC floppy disk (and a floppy disk on a Sun SPARCstation) uses
512 byte sectors.  The Apollo floppy controller is set up for 1024 byte
sectors, to be compatible with the blocksize of the standard Apollo file
system.

When I wrote PCdisk, a program marketted by Contexture, Inc., that reads and
writes PC floppies on Apollo (and Sun) workstations (DN3X00/4X00 and 4XX),
what I had to do is write a new device driver that saved the Apollo
configuration for the controller, reset it and loaded the configuration
appropriate for a PC floppy, and then set everything back to normal Apollo
values after I was done.

				Lee
From: johnb@HOBBES.MDC.COM (John Breen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Swapping disks between DN4000 & DN3000
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:59:36 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: McDonnell Douglas Missile Systems Company

This should be an easy one...:-)

We've got a DN4000 with a MSD-170M disk, and a DN3000 with a MSD-86M disk. 
We're going to upgrade the DN4000 to a 380M disk, but naturally I would like
to take its old disk and put it in the DN3000.

Is there any reason why this can't be done? Are there (potential) differences
in the disk controllers that I need to watch out for?  Any serial number
ranges or board revision numbers I should check?

Any help much appreciated.
--
-- 
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McDonnell Douglas Missile Systems Co.   | "I have no personal opinions;
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge)
Subject: Re: BZONE on the Spark or PC
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:31:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.171505.6397@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> bmcm@beech.lle.rochester.edu (Brian McMaster) writes:
>I also recieved email from nazgul@alfalfa.com who said he seams to have
>the original Fortran code.
>
>What I realy want is to be able to run BZONE on my Spark and/or a PC.  The 
>Fortran code would be great, I could compile on both platforms.

I don't think having the original Fortran code would help you too much,
unless you've got Domain/OS on your PC and Sparc. The Fortran code was written
specifically for Apollo machines and if I remember correctly uses LOTS of
Apollo-specific library routines.

You could always try to port it, though...

                                          -Dave Dodge/dododge@wam.umd.edu
From: chuck@edsi.plexus.COM (Chuck Tomasi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: Upgrade DN3550?
Date: 27 Jul 92 01:27:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Jul27.012759.11307
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

thompson@PAN.SSEC.HONEYWELL.COM ((jt) John Thompson) writes:

:)> <<forwarded message>>
:)> I am currently running two DN3550s.  One has OS 10.3.1 and I have
:)> put OS 10.4 on the other.  I have contacted HP/Apollo's help line and
:)> they suggested that I upgrade my systems to a DN5500 for more power.

:)(This is personal opinion / flame )
:)Why would ANYONE want to do this???!!!  HP has successfully chopped the
:)neck off the DN5500, to the point that they're giving people half their
:)money back!  It is a machine with no future, no significant past, and
:)nobody who wants to maintain its present.

John you are right with respect to asking WHY anyone would want to do
this, but realize that a year ago it was a feasible and good way to go.
Shipment on the 700s could be as much as three months, the 425 upgrade
path wasn't yet announced, and people were begging for performance on
their DN machines NOW.  I still have three or four 5500 motherboards
that I haven't installed, but would like to.  In six months to a year
I'm going to see my stock of DN machines start to go down as our lease
runs out and we bring on the 700 guns, but I would like my remaining DN
machines to be 5500s as we will have to use the old tools from time to
time.
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