HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rbrbrn@picard.cs.wisc.edu (Robert Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: 12/16/92
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:08:29 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <sunny-171292133105@branford-college-node.net.yale.edu> sunny@pop.cis.yale.edu (Sunny Park) writes:
>In article <BzEA46.M4@utdallas.edu>, goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL)
>wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>
>> I wonder if the makers/creators/producers realize that this show is sorta
>> silly, and that it always has to have politically-correct happy endings, and
>> that they made this episode sorta tounge-in-cheek?
>> 
>> Unlikely, but possible...
>
>I think it is very likely. I was just thinking that myself. It's getting so
>unbelievably campy lately that they must be doing it on purpose. (I mean,
>think about the shots to the drunken truck driver. They were so overdone.
>And the It's a Wonderful Life stuff...) And the episode with Andrea's car
>accident, etc. was also pretty random,too. 
>
>Maybe now that it's "Senior Year" the writers are trying to do all the
>things they've wanted to do, like making their characters do, well, silly
>things. Maybe fuck around a little with their characters before they start
>writing cheesy, "serious" college plots for the cast next year. (Are they
>all going to go to California U. after they graduate?)

I think they should just dust the seniors (maybe a real bus accident) and bring
in some new underclass faces.  Or maybe the could keep Kelly, but transplant
Brenda's tits on her.  Donna should die from anerexia(sp) and Dylan could go to
jail for the murder of Mrs. Teasley.
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From: ridenour@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lynn Ridenour)
Subject: Get real!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 10:13:07 GMT


Well, after tonight's episode, I guess nobody can argue
that 90210 is realistic anymore, huh?  What total mush!
My brother called from the east coast and warned me that
he hasn't seen a show this cheesy in quite a while.  The
Kelly/Brenda/Dylan plotline was ok (a Kelly/anything
plotline is always ok), but every other story totally
sucked.  

- Bob

Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210,yale.opie
From: warren-matthew@cs.yale.edu (Matthew S. 'Opie' Warren)
Subject: Re: Are you serious
Followup-To: alt.tv.bh90120,misc.test
Organization: Mail Forwarding Department, Yale College
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:29:37 GMT

In that leetle article up there in the header,
larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel) writes:
>Kuz I (ikuz@cs.vu.nl) wrote:
>> I've read a whole bunch of postings from people who sound like
>> they really think that this is a GOOD show!  Is this  REALLY 
>> true?  I don't mean to put anyone down but I find it hard
>> to beleive that college students could take the show seriously.
>
>I seem to remember similar statements made about Bach, Hemingway,
>Tchaikovsky and Freud, but history is replete with criticism of
>great art, music, science and literature by those who couldn't
>comprehend its sublimity.  Why stop now?

Give the guy a break -- I think he's got a point.

I would say that at least part of the appeal of the show lies in
its very unreality.  I mean, it's almost like a fairy tale.  We can
hate Brenda or Dylan (my least favorite) so much precisely because 
their lives so little resemble ours (or at least mine :-) as to be,
well, even funny.  Sure, I like the show, and I take it seriously,
but the complete cardboard cut-outiness of the characters -- the rebel
child with a father in jail, the homey family with a goofy dad, caring
mom, and opposite-sex TWINS?  Come ON.  It's well-nigh impossible to
maintain willing suspension of disbelief in this kind of environment,
and the fact that we can't means that we can watch the show more
casually, and with less emotional damage, than we could otherwise.

I think this helps count toward bh90210's popularity, along, of course,
with Kelly in a bikini.    Yeeeeeeow!


Matt
-- 
Matthew S. "Opie" Warren     warren-matthew@yale.edu
"It wouldn't have been anything, even if it were gonna be a thing."
From: sp3u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shiv Swarup Pathak)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: They dissed her?
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:05:51 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


   Earlier this week, I watched the Music Awards (Yuck!).  Sometime
during the middle I left to go to my room to admire the picture of Luke
Perry I have on my wall (he is, by far, the coolest guy on earth.. I
wan't to be just like him!).  During this time I heard that Shannon
Dougherty(sp) presented an award to someone.  I also heard that she was
booed most vehemently when she came out.  Is this true?  If so, I'm very
happy.  Could someone please describe what happened and the look on her
hideous face.  Thanks!

-Shiv
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From: ckile@andy.bgsu.edu (crystal kile)
Subject: Re: the video
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:33:57 GMT

In article <1glm46INNqtd@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, liz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (PostMistress General) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Dec15.203507.19219@leland.Stanford.EDU> prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson) writes:
> >
> >Of course, 'African-American' is just as acceptible as 'black'.  But I
> >feel that the two terms carry different connotations, culturally.
> >
> 
> What's wrong with "American"?
> 
> Sheesh...
> 
> 
> 						--Liz
> 
> --
> bite me, fan boy

Well, as the person who started all this with my use of the term "Af-Am" in
an earlier post, I feel that I should jump back into this.  

Jesus!!! I never woulda expected to be flamed for over-PCness for using
"African-American."  I use it every day & never think much about it.  It IS
common usage.

I prefer the term because it is much more expressive and, yes, in some ways
more respectful, than "black."  A long time ago, I read something that
suggested that racism (at least in the English speaking world) is connected
to the slew of overwhelmingly negative connotations of "black" in our 
language.  Maybe that's why I started saying Af-Am.  I really don't remember.


Why not just "American"?  Weeeeeelllll...Would that that day would come.
But since we live in a society where race is the number two mark of difference
in all aspects of everyday life (gender is #1), I think that it is important
to mark it, not gloss over it.  Besides, who says that difference is a
negative thing??

David rappin:  Not to say that there aren't white folks who CAN sing the 
blues, rap, et cetera, but the guy who plays David Silver IS NOT ONE OF THEM!
(Besides, I don't have the energy or the time right now to get into an
argument about the politics of the politics of cultural appropriation!!!)

Another besides: the original point of my bitching about under and non-
represented groups on 90210 was to make the point that arguments about
how "realistic" a given TV sho is or is not are pretty pointless anyway.
What is more interesting from this angle is to watch what the writers/
producers do not represent, and what issues/questions of representation
they feel that they have to tiptoe around lightly.

					So there =)
						Crystal
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: dylan is slime! was: Re: How do we redeem Shannon?
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:53:52 GMT
Followup-To: alt.tv.bh90210
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <BzA066.3uK@acsu.buffalo.edu>, gklein@acsu.buffalo.edu
(Ginamaria Klein) wrote:

> dylan is a complete jerk and not a moody-but-basically-sweet-guy.

'Dylan' is someone who would very much like to have been James Dean, 
but is not (James Dean would not prance around in TeenBeat...).

Brandon, however, is to *die* for.

To *die* for...
From: cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Chris Fury)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Are you serious
Date: 13 Dec 92 17:54:50 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Ryan Stengel) writes:

>Excerpts from n.a.tv.bh90210: 11-Dec-92 Are you serious by Kuz I@cs.vu.nl
> 
>>I've read a whole bunch of postings from people who sound like
>>they really think that this is a GOOD show!  Is this  REALLY 
>>true?  I don't mean to put anyone down but I find it hard
>>to beleive that college students could take the show seriously.

>Two words:

>Jennie Garth

I think she's attractive, but is that any reason to put yourself through
the torture of watching the rest of that show???

(Of course, there is Gabrielle, as well... :)

>Chris

>                                                 __
>                                                / / /  _  * _
>                                               /___/)_/(_(_/_)_____
>                                            Christopher Ryan Stengel
>                                                stengel@cmu.edu
>                                           Carnegie Mellon University
>                                                 (412) 268-8372
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: bbs.maddox@tsoft.net (Otto Maddox)
Subject: Well..
Organization: the 90210 Bbs, +1 415 969 1634
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:55:47 GMT

Last night's show sucked.  The idea with the "angels" talking all during 
the show was lame.  Very disappointing.  I liked the Garbage Truck Driver 
the best.


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From: larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Andrea gets into Yale!
Date: 17 Dec 1992 23:19:49 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
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ROBERT MACKENNA (rjm1@acpub.duke.edu) wrote:

>               but I was sure she'd be rejected so she could just
> "happen" to wind up at the University of California (a thinly-disguised
> Berkeley, I think)

Fortunately it's not.


>                                                      Look for a
> storyline in the spring concerning her inability to qualify for enough
> financial aid to afford to go to Yale.

I heard it here first.


> BTW, was that or was that not possibly the STUPIDEST episode of 90210
> ever?

It's getting tougher and tougher to choose.  I think the Dylan rides more
horses than one episode was pretty stupid too.


>                                                                   the
> whole bit where the garbage truck drives "through" the school bus
> totally crossed the line between sheer fantasy and the veneer of realism
> that 90210 had (barely) managed to maintain.

Yeah, I mean who were they trying to fool?  That kind of thing hardly
ever happens in real life.  And plus which, stars don't usually sound
Jewish when they talk, do they?  And also how come they made the man
star bigger than the woman star?  Aren't woman stars bigger?  And angels
don't really look like stars anyway.  It's just not realistic.  Obviously
the writers on this show are too dumb to write realistic stuff.


> BTW, not to reignite an old flame war, but I was amused at the (brief)
> scene where we saw Steve in detention...sitting on his ass, doing his
> homework.  So much for community service.  :-)  :-)  :-)

That must have been before the scene where Steve was forced to dress up as
Santa, hear wishes and hand out presents.  So much for sitting on his *SS.


Larry
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From: Vida Tigrani <veeduh@leland.stanford.edu>
Subject: Help me out
Organization: VST
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 03:41:56 GMT



Question:

What's going to happen to the show when all these guys graduate?  Will
they continue to chronicle the lives of the seniors while they are in
college?  Are they going to continue at West Beverley High with new
characters?  

And another thing:

I thought Andrea was really compromising herself by allowing herself to
be merely a co-editor with a guy who has so little experience.  I was
surprised she accepted that deal.  I think she should have waited and let
Brandon fall on his face.  That would have been great!  What a conceited
dork.  

About Nikki:

She never seemed to fit in with the rest of the characters.  She had that
stringy hair and weird earrings and black clothes and stuff.  Definitely
a San Francisco type.  She'll be happier up here.

And Shannon:

Does anyone else think she looks like she's part Asian?
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From: cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Cliff Chen)
Subject: CU or UC, etc.
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:38:40 GMT

First of all,
	most of the people who are reading this do not care whether
Berkeley can defeat Stanford in its billion year rivalry if LA can beat
Berkeley.
	WE JUST DON'T CARE.  Can we stick to the topic at hand here?
Secondly,
	the California University they are referring to IS definitely UCLA.
Why?  Because Brandon and Brenda said that they were going to live at home.
We know 90210 has warped reality, but warped geography is pushing it.  If
they lived at home and went to Berkeley, most of the show would show them
driving back and forth between school and home since that would be 12 hours
of their day.  :)

					Cliff Chen
					cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: swiet@syzygy.cs.jhu.edu (Alexander Swietlicki)
Subject: Re: Are you serious
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:32:05 GMT

In article <Bz3z3p.Iox@cs.vu.nl> ikuz@cs.vu.nl (Kuz I) writes:
>
>The only reason why I watch it is because it's the funniest show 
>on tv now ( especially when they're trying to be serious ). 

	Exactly the reason I watch!  Someone else understands!  :)
I love the body language and facial expressions...they make the show...
From: larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: DECEMBER 16 EPISODE:  *SPOILERS*
Date: 17 Dec 1992 18:41:52 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: saturn.sdsu.edu
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William F. Tell (wft@soda.berkeley.edu) wrote:

> I did not find this episode that appealing.  For one thing, the
> divine intervention/Christmas miracle is OLD!

About 2000 years.


> It's a Wonderful Life we saw George Bailey go through real hell
> first (losing all his money, everything he's worked and lived for,
> and the possibility of going to jail, not to mention the fact
> that he's never gotten out of the little town of Bedford Falls) and 
> God does intervene and he sees what his life would have been like
> without him.  He realizes how he has had a wonderful life.

It's kind of tough to do all that for five main characters in 46
minutes.  (I don't think Steve, David, or Donna are main characters).

I mean, it would take at least four episodes just to show all the
wonderful things Brandon has done for people.


> Anyway, I think 90210 has EXPLOITED (and very badly I must add) one
> of the truly classic films ever made.

Was there something about Heathers in this weeks episode?


> This show isn't intelligent enough to portray tragedy.

It's intelligent enough NOT to portray tragedy.


Larry
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From: durrant@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: More music used on 90210
Keywords: music GnR 90210
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:21:14 GMT


another song that was used on the show was "Knocking on Heaven's Door" by
Guns and Roses--but I still think the original version was better.  It was
played when David was trying to cope with whats-his-name-in-the-stupid-
cowboy-hat shot himself.

Christine

		My teen angst bullshit has a body count.
			--Heathers
From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: Andrea gets into Yale!
Date: 18 Dec 92 23:26:26 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1gteltINNgrb@athena.sdsu.edu> larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel) writes:
>
>I think the key part you might have overlooked is that Brandon said
>something real close to "right here in town" a few times.  Oh, and
>also didn't mastermind Darren Star go to UCLA?

Good points.  Esp. the "right here in town" part, which I don't remember
exactly, but it does seem like something like that came up in the "where
the hell are we going to college?" episode.

The only question I have now is that didn't they explicitly refer to
UCLA during the first season (maybe even the pilot?) where Brenda has
that "fling" with the fraternity dude?  Or maybe he's older and she
claimed that SHE was at UCLA.... I don't remember -- did they show that
episode over the summer when they were rerunning the first season on
Thursday nights?

- Rob Mac K



-- 
*ROB Mac K - The Man, The Myth, The Legend.  As if. ***********************
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From: emjfox@pop.cis.yale.edu (Emily Fox)
Subject: FAVORITE LINE FROM HEATHERS
Followup-To: alt.tv.bh90210
Organization: Yale Univ./Branford College Brat Pack 
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:43:51 GMT

FIRST OF ALL, EVERY LINE FROM HEATHERS IS MY FAVORITE LINE FROM HEATHERS.
As for particular faves, I like when Heather #1 says to Veronica, "if you
want to fuck with the eagles, you gotta learn to fly." But that's in the
very beginning and many people miss it.
Also, "I'm going to have to send my SAT scores to Sing Sing instead of
Stanford!" is pretty funny.
And last but best is: "Oh, give it up, Heather. Bulimia is SO '87."
Emily
From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: music
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:13:21 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Dec18.151825.3932@ultb.isc.rit.edu> djg4162@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiwill always love youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuaaaaiieeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiwillalways love aaayouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiii

AAAAARRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!

God, I'm HEARING that stupid song EVERYWHERE!  I mean EVERYWHERE!  It's
on the RADIO!  It's on MTV!  It's on VH-1!  It's in my HEAD!  It's even
on USENET!

Does anyone else think this song sounds like Whitney has some loose
phlegm in her throat?

- Rob Mac K
Radio Fugitive


-- 
*ROB Mac K - The Man, The Myth, The Legend.  As if. ***********************
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****************************************************** rjm1@acpub.duke.edu*
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From: jjr@larry.sal.wisc.edu (Julie J. Roehre)
Subject: Shannon and Rosanne
Originator: jjr@larry.sal.wisc.edu
Organization: Space Astronomy Lab, Madison, WI
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:01:12 GMT

I happened to flip to Rosanne the other night and noticed she
finally lost some weight and her hair was a lot longer.   I 
also could not help compare her to Shannon.  I think they look
alike now.  I can't stand either of them...

Julie

Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: dlee@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (David Lee)
Subject: Not UC (Should be: Class of '96) (Was: Andrea gets into Yale!)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 12:41:52 GMT

In article <1gs7rvINNb0i@athena.sdsu.edu> larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel) writes:
>
>Well, the headquarters is at Berkeley, that's true, although I don't
>think it really associates itself with that campus more than the others,
>other than it happens to be there.  UC Berkeley is certainly referred to
>as "Cal" or "California," mainly because it was the first campus
>(1873?), but I've never heard anyone referring specifically to the
>school at Berkeley as the unqualified "University of California."  Could
>you point me to a reference (more recent than 1873 of course)?

The Office of the President of the University of California is located down
at 300 Lakeshore Drive (the Kaiser Building) in downtown _Oakland_, if you
want to call UCOP "headquarters".  Cal simply has the oldest campus.  Besides,
while the University of California is celebrating its 125th anniversary, the
Berkeley campus was not set up as part of the original charter of the UC as
the land grant university/college for California.

And, having visited the East Bay several times in the past year for visits to
both the Berkeley campus and UCOP, the Berkeley campus is referred to by the
"locals" as UC or the "University of California".  As I wrote in my initial
post, I'll simply leave it at that.

>
>Regardless of that, I got the impression that what Rob was referring
>to was the term "California University" which has been used frequently
>on the show to (almost certainly) refer to UCLA, not to UCB, and I was
>saying that no they aren't talking about Berkeley, and no UCLA is
>not like Berkeley.  Heck, UCLA doesn't even have a Naked Guy.
>
>Larry

Yep.  We ain't like Berkeley.  No Naked Guy is true.  We also don't have a
T.A. strike.  However, we do have about $250M worth of construction (seismic
renovations, new buildings, rehabs, etc.) going on right now so that I have
a feeling that Spelling Productions had better get its exteriors on tape ASAP
before they get placed behind miles of chain link fence.

David

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: phoebe@pop.cis.yale.edu (Phoebe Moore)
Subject: Re: How do we redeem Shannon?
Followup-To: alt.tv.bh90210
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:48:05 GMT

In article <1ghhesINNptj@athena.sdsu.edu>, larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry
Riedel) wrote:

> For whatever reasons, the power brokers at 90210 decided at some point
> this year to make us love to hate Brenda Walsh.  So we do.  The
> geniuses of yellow journalism know that most viewers don't distinguish
> between the characters on a TV show and the actors that portray them -
> hence a perfect opportunity to smear Shannen Doherty.  So they
> capitalized.  That's America.

You know, I might be the only one in the universe, but I don't hate Brenda.
 Yes, she is whiny.  But I think, in the whole situation with Kelly and
Dylan that Kelly was the villain.  It's one thing to have a short, random
hookup with a cool guy in a foreign country when you are otherwise
committed.  It's another to get together repeatedly with your BEST FRIEND'S
BOYFRIEND.  I think both things are dishonest and hurtful, but Kelly's
seems worse to me; her action hurts Brenda in two ways, not just one.  Does
anyone else feel this way?
 
> Personally, I think she thought that she could get away with not
> playing the sycophant game at the studio, and now she's found out the
> hard way that she can't.

What are the sources here, besides the National Enquirer?  Did People
magazine say something about this?  I'm just curious about where we got
this idea.

Also, I think booing someone on stage is pretty damn "bitchy" too...why are
we glad that other people are acting badly to Shannen when we are angry at
her for acting badly to others?

____
Phoebe Moore                  phoebe@pop.cis.yale.edu
"What fun is it being 'cool' if you can't wear a sombrero?"
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: dylan is slime! was: Re: How do we redeem Shannon?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:40:51 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: alt.tv.bh90210

In article <BzAEFH.Aoo@acsu.buffalo.edu>, gklein@acsu.buffalo.edu
(Ginamaria Klein) wrote:

> >Brandon, however, is to *die* for.

> hear hear!
> brandon is HOT---
> the hottest male on the show, at least!
> and sexy too...
> not in  a contrived manner, either...

Hear hear!
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