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From: echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: FWD: this week's Grapevine regarding lobby stuff
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 17:04:50 GMT


>Would you please forward this week's Grapevine to the net?



-------------------------  cut here  ----------------------------

Grapevine 8-14-1992

The Grapevine series offers unconfirmed rumors.  Reader discretion is
recommended.

The characters in this series may be fictitious, and any resemblance
to acutal persons, living or dead, may be purely coincidental.


====================================================================

Returnees on High Demand -- by Both Sides

According to two separate sources, the PRC government is asking some
returnees to prepare tesimonies against the charge that they had faced
harassment for their involvement in the pro-democracy movement in 1989.

A delegation of 40 returnees, most of whom have studied in the US and
then returned to China after June 1989, will come to the US on a
one-month tour.  It is not clear at this time whether the tour will
be a recruiting effort or a counter measure against the immigration
lobbying by the Chinese students in the US.

At the same time, a Chinese student in California has started gathering 
information on the fate of the returnees.  She wrote and called people 
she knew who had returned to China after 1989, and was successful in 
collecting three cases in which the harassment was well documented 
(see the appendix).

Incidentally, one person she contacted had also been contacted by the 
PRC State Education Commission (to join the delegation).

====================================================================

Appendix:       Tragic Fate of Dr. S

> In 1984, S came to America. He spent two years at Berkeley, and four
> years at Columbia. Upon finishing his post-doctoral research, he
> returned to China in 1990. Even with a PhD from America, he had a
> hard time finding a good job. Finally, he got a job as an associate
> professor in a university. His salary was $22 a month. His family
> shared a two-bedroom apartment with another family.
>
> One day he told his colleagues about what he saw on the American TV
> about the TAM massacre. The CCP boss forced him to make self-criticism
> in front of hundreds of his colleagues and students.
>
> After the public humiliation, he could not continue his teaching job.
> He was selling clothes in the street, trying hard to make the ends
> meet.
>
> Now he still doesn't have a stable job.  He is in a small business with
> some friends.  His advice to the Chinese students in America: try everything
> you can to stay in America.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23182 soc.culture.hongkong:9864 soc.culture.japan:6811 soc.culture.taiwan:11997
From: news@comlab.ox.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Hows 'bout I make this apology thing reeeel simple for the closed minded?
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:52:20 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory, UK

In article <FELIX.92Aug17075457@crowfix.com> felix@crowfix.com (Felix Finch) writes:
> Japan's treatment of China was lousy.

No, Japan's treatment of China was not lousy.  ``Outrageous'' would
still be an understatement.  The sentence was lousy.
From: gm2@CEC1.WUSTL.EDU (Guo Mian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Ooops
Date: 16 Aug 92 00:38:41 GMT

Ooops
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:48:49 GMT

In article <jxd-cC@engin.umich.edu> chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)  
writes:
> In article <9208180022.AA08936@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> lho@MENTOR.CC.PURDUE.EDU  
(Your Father) writes:
> 
> L Ho, I am telling a fact that you fucked your mother. Prove it in the public  
you did not.
> 
> J Chen
> Department of Chemistry
> University of Michigan

Most not-so-foolish people will not believe your claim, Mr. Chen. I guess Mr.  
Ho doesn't even have to prove.

In fact, it's more likely people will believe that rough people who curse  
around can do such kind of things you mentioned.

Although cannibalismis is extremely rare in China, it happened unfortunately in  
Zhejiang Province in 1960s. The men who killed a couple of children and drank  
their blood were executed later.

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: aoad345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang)
Subject: Satellite to be launched by China       
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 18:49:05 GMT


Article: 1715 of sci.space.news
SB NEWS @ AMSAT < KD2BD $SPC0817
* SpaceNews 17-Aug-92 *

Bulletin ID: $SPC0817


                              =========
                              SpaceNews
                              =========


                        MONDAY AUGUST 17, 1992


* THE FREJA SCIENTIFIC SATELLITE *
==================================
The FREJA scientific satellite, designed and built by the Swedish Space
Corporation is intended for research into the aurora.  It will be
launched "piggyback" by a Long March 2C rocket from the Jiuquan
Satellite Launch Center in China (41N, 100E) in the beginning of
October 1992.  Launch is planned for October 5 at 0615-0800 UTC.
FREJA is planned to enter an orbit with perigee at 605 km, apogee at
1748 km inclined at 63 degrees.  The argument of perigee is planned to
be 262 degrees.  FREJA is a sun-pointing spinner (10 RPM) with a 2.2m
diameter weighing 257 kg at launch and 215.5 kg in its final orbit.

The CZ-2C puts the Chinese FSW-1 main satellite and FREJA into a 203-317
km parking orbit at a 63 degrees inclination.  FREJA's orbit must be
raised to reach scientifically interesting regions and to keep the
satellite from decaying.  A Thiokol STAR 13 A rocket motor fires at the
southern apex of the parking orbit to give FREJA an apogee of 1748 km.
As the apogee is reached approximately 50 minutes later, a Thiokol STAR
6B rocket motor fires to raise perigee to 605 km, high enough to keep
the orbital attitudes unchanged for 1 to 2 years.

FREJA will transmit low-speed telemetry (1200 baud V.23) on 400.550 MHz
(in addition to high-speed telemetry on S-band, 2208.1629 MHz).  The
transmitter has 2 watts of RF output power.  The V.23 signals are
frequency modulated on the carrier and can be received on a normal NBFM
scanner receiver.  A circularly polarized antenna is recommended since
the transmit antenna is a simple quarter-wave whip giving linear
polarization.

The satellite will transmit a 20 second long message containing:

- Housekeeping telemetry from the platform and experiments.

- A one-page operational message from the FREJA Operations Center (FOC)
  at Esrange, Kiruna, Sweden.  Typical contents are: Orbital parameters,
  attitude, spin rate, experiment operational modes, etc.

A decoding, readout, and display software package for operation under
MS-DOS will be available from SSC after launch.  This link is called the
LSL (Low Speed Link) and will operate twice per day; one pass over Europe
and one pass over North America.  The transmitter will be on

- Over Europe on passes with the ascending node at 10 degrees west +/-
  23 degrees, or 120 degrees west +/- 23 degrees, whichever occurs closest
  to normal working hours.

- Over North America on passes with the ascending node at 113 degrees east
  +/- 23 degrees, or 120 degrees west +/- 23 degrees, whichever occurs
  closest to normal working hours.

[Info via Sven Grahn, FREJA Project Manager, Swedish Space Corporation]


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhang@spock.ecs.umass.edu (Tao Zhang)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:58:42 GMT
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu ()
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: clearer than blir
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:47:03 GMT

In article <Aug.16.22.13.03.1992.5167@sol.rutgers.edu> lixj@sol.rutgers.edu (Xiao-jian Li) writes:
>[garbage deleted]
>
>You simply get it wrong. It is not the goverment who askes for the Japaness
>apology. It is us people, whose grandparents, parents, brothers and
>sisters been slaughterd, raped, tortured by the barbarious Japaness
>soldiers, who deserve an apology from the Japaness. And I believe we
>will get it sooner or later no matter what.

So you admit publicly that the name "People's Republic of China" is a
lie and has nothing to do with the Chinese people or their interests?
That it in no way represents the Chinese people or works on their
behalf? You rationalize that the gov't you and your ancestors put into
place is responsible for its actions as a separate entity and that you
as a citizen, bear no responsibility for what it has done. And that
you, as a citizen of a non-representative gov't, deserve an apology
from the Japanese.

Remember. I think the Chinese deserve an apology, I'm just getting
tired of these rationalizations you put forward such that you're not
guilty of your own atrocities against your own people. Or even of
calling Japanese japs. I have seen no apology offered for that slur.
I've only seen a rationalization that went: "what else do you expect
from chinese with agony in their hearts?" When you get your own act
together you'll have a better chance at getting the apology you so
desparately crave.

Japan will not, arguably should not, walk into an oppressive, police
state and *officially* apologize for anything. I don't even think
the Emperor of Japan should even be *going* to China, but I guess
the Japanese want your markets so you're stuck with them. And your
gov't wants Japanese investments so I guess you could say you've
both already made up with each other.

-- Tad Perry   Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
               CompuServe:  70402,3020
               NIFTY-Serve: GBG01266
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yfeng@duke.ecs.umass.edu (Youlin Feng)
Subject: Re: FWD:  related to green-card lobby stuff
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:34:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.011338.24364@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>
>forwarded for an anonymous netter:
>
>
>------------ cut here ---------------- cutr here --------------------
>
>
>Grapevine 8-7-1992
>
>Disclaimer: the Grapevine series offers unconfirmed rumors.  Reader
>            discretion is recommended.
>
>====================================================================
>
>A Chinese student in California claimed that she had sent the FBI a list
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>of some opponents to the "Chinese Students Protection Act 1992", most
>of whom were Chinese students in the US, though there were also three
>Americans and one Canadian on the list.
>
>She also said that a copy of the list had been sent to the INS, so that
>"these CCP running dogs will never get the greencard".
>
>However, the "Chinese Student Protection Act 1992" will grant the
>permanent status to everyone covered, irregardless of the applicants'
>standing on the issue, according to a Congressional staff member who
>wished to remain anonymous.
>
>=====================================================================
>
>I personally would prefer the anti-lobbyists: no real communist stooges
>will work against their own interests.  After all, this country needs
>more honest people, not the liars.


You want to " Hua Qing Jie Xian " with China?

You'd better stay out of China.

Add me to your blacklist.  You are a homeless dog.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:34:52 EDT
From: <JXX2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: FWD: **************************



   The following is posted in S.C.A.A, I reposted here with
   the authors consent.

**************************************************************  ****
Somebody in this newsgroup said that Chinese did not get oppresssed as
the Jews.  I beg to be differed in my opinion.
How can you find the thing you do not believe existed????
You won't even tried.....

1603 Spanish soldiers killed 23,000 Chinese in Parian , Phillippine
1639 Spanish killed 22,000 to 24,000 Chinese in Luzon, Phillippine
1764 Spanish killed all Chinese in Phillippine because Chinese
     helped British captured Manila two years earlier.
     British betrayed Chinese and hand Manila back to Spanish in 1764.
1740 Dutch decided to deport all unemployed Chinese from Indonesia
     to Ceylon/Sri Lanka.  Chinese rebellion.
      Dutch killed 10,000 Chinese in Batavia/Jarkarta.
      Chinese were confined in ghetto for the remaining survivals.
1848 to 1888 2 millions Chinese emigrated out of China
1838 Slavery abolished in British empire.  British started to use Chinese and
     Indian coolies in British colonies' plantations and mines.
1840 Frist opium war, British forced China to allow Chinese to buy opium
1861 Central Pacific employed at most 12,000 to 14,000 Chinese to build
    railroad.
1870 20,000 pounds of bones from the remains of 1,200 Chinese coolies
     were shipped to China for interment
1847 to 1877 126,000 Chinese landed in Cuba to work on sugar plantation
1877 only 43,298 Chinese survived when Spanish free the coolies
May 6, 1882 Chinese Exclusion Act in USA
1940 On the same day of Pearl Harbor, Japanese landed 70,000 soldiers
     on Thailand and attack Malaya and Singapore.
     British army of 70,000 caught by surprise , throw down their arms and ran
     200 miles into Singapore.  They surrendered a few days later.
     Japanese killed all Chinese in Malaya that did not escape into jungle.
     Many died in the jungles due to malnutrition.
     My mom was 5 years old and she survived in the jungle.
1960 102,196 Chinese were deported from Indonesia to China
1962 Border dispute between China and India.  Force repatriation of Chinese
     minority in India.
1966 With the collapsed of Sukarno power in Indonesia, Chinese were massacred
     and terrorized.
1967 Red guard from China arrived in Burma.  Caused anti-sinicism.
     All Chinese minority in Burma forced to repatriated to China
1973 Phillippine allow Chinese to be natoralized to full citizenship
     Presidential decree to phase out Chinese school in four years
1975 In the killing fields of Cambodia, lay 200,000 Chinese minority in
     Cambodia. 50% of Chinese in Cambodia.
1978 Sino-Vietname hostility.  250,000 Vietnamese Chinese repatriated to China
From: zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: REPOST: PRE-MARITAL SEX IN CHINESE SOCITIES
Date: 13 Aug 1992 15:08:22 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alcor.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug13.184114.23791@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>I don't know a lot about the situation in HK and Taiwan. But in mainland China,  
>it is getting more and more acceptable, at least among college students. But  

   The percentage is much higher among workers, I believe.

>although it is getting more and more accepatable, it does not mean that many  
>people are having sex before marriage. There are several reasons:
> 1) Many people don't object pre_marriage sex, but just dare not try    
>    themselves.

  All my friend who dated with his girl friend longer than one month slept 
with her. It is common practice.

> 2) They don't have the opputunities and places to have sex before marriage. 
>    Many young people live with their parents or in dorms where more than two  
>    persons share a room.

  They can do it in some other places.

>Carl


Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:22965 soc.culture.taiwan:11867
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Holst not know own culture either
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:08:53 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Aug12.130939.1@cuavax.dnet.cua.edu> 54yang@cuavax.dnet.cua.edu writes:
>I think that Confucius and Confucianism in general emphasizes heavily
>'tradition', but for Kant not so much. 

Curiously, Confucius himself didn't spend much time on talking about
what makes "good" good and what makes "evil" evil.  As a result, his
disciples had different ideas.

But it is true that Confucius spend much more time talking about "li"
ritual, than Kant did.

>A value system is a set of
>values and ideas concerning about the truth, the good, and the beauty,
>and sometimes, the transcendent.  Kant's value system is different
>from Confucius' value system, but there are many similar ideas in
>these two philosophers' thought.

The mere fact that there are similarities in the ideas of Kant and
Confucius suggests that "values" are transcendent.  If there were no
transcendent values then it would be difficult to explain how two
philosophers acting in different cultures independently would could
come up with the same answers.

My own theory is that all difference among value systems among different
cultures can be traced to differences in answering the questions:

1. Who is human?
2. What happens after death?
3. What does the supernatural world think?
From: dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Is this racist?
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:57:47 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes: 
> 
>           A chinese student requested an extension to continue living
>           in the low-priced university housing.  An international
>           student adviser writes down the following in a memo
>           regarding this:
> 
>           "The Chinese may be polite, but they know how to work thro
>           the system .... My chinese friends told me to be strict with
>           chinese and chinese will run all over you if you let them."
> 
>           Now, people claim this racist and demand the
>           person to resignate.  The whole thing is unfolding here on
>           this campus.  The student association at the U. of O. wants
>           to remove this person from the position.  Negotiation is
>           going on.  I wonder how you guy would "ding4 xing4" for this
>           comments and what you would do.

It is not racist (racist insists supremacy/infereority of a certain race),
but it's definitely racial discrimination (taking action according to
the race of your subject).  Or to be more precise, it is nationality
discrimination, since Chinese in his memo does not refer to a race but
a nationality.  All Chinese, including Tibetans, Mogolians, Hans, Tuyas, 
Manchus, are polite, but they have to be dealt with strictly, otherwise 
they will run all over you if you let them.  These damned Chinese!

dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Pin-up U-turn
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:28:50 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug14.142709.28621@aber.ac.uk> nil@aber.ac.uk (Nigel Lueng) writes:
->Peking: (Reuter)
->Scantily clad girls may soon return to the walls of Chinese homes and
->offices.  In a further step away from socialism, the Press and
->Publications Administration has lifted a ban on calendars featuring
->women in bikinis.

that's too boring to me.  let's get to the basic - how 'bout the men
in the g-strings?

-- 
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%%   The Speaking Tongue, AT&T   %%  C Code.  C Code Run.  Run, Code, RUN! %%
%%       bgt@homxc.att.com       %%           PLEASE!!!!                   %%
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: juro@med.umich.edu (Justine Leon Uro)
Subject: Re: Olympics -- Phil Results - boxing
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 10:35:08 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Health Sciences, Ann Arbor
Distribution: umich
Reply-To: juro@med.umich.edu (Justine Leon Uro)
Originator: juro@juno


In article <GERVASIO.92Aug10181631@howard.Ross.COM>, gervasio@Ross.COM (Gregorio T. Gervasio, Jr.) writes:
|> >>>>> On 7 Aug 92 04:11:48 GMT, kyig6809@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kenneth Yerro Ilio ) said:
|> 
|> ken> one of the contenders for tae kwan do also got a bronze medal.
|> ken> unfortunately, this is just a demo sport ...
|> 
|> ken> sorry i forgot his/her name ... it wasn't bea lucero :-) ...
|> 
|> 	I remember reading that there were two bronze medalists in tae
|> kwon do, one of which *was* Bea Lucero.
|> --
|> | Gregorio T. Gervasio, Jr. / gervasio@Ross.COM / gervasio%ross@cs.utexas.EDU /
|> | ROSS Technology, Inc.    /   5316 Hwy. 290 W, Suite 500, Austin, TX  78735 /

You are right.  Taekwondo was one of the demonstration sports (Pelota and Roller 
Hockey were the other two).  Both Stephen Fernandez and Bea Lucero got a bronze 
medal in their respective event.  Unfortunately, medals in demonstration sports 
are not counted in the final tally.  Hence, only the bronze medal won by Roel 
Velasco in boxing (48kg - 106lbs) was counted in the final tally.  If I remember 
right, bowling was a demonstration sports in the 1988 Seoul Summer Olympics and 
both Paeng Nepomuceno and Adrienne Cerden~a won GOLD MEDALS in that event.
From: morales@acf3.NYU.EDU (Kristina Morales)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Looking for Filipino literature
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:11:00 GMT
Organization: New York University


	Would anyone out there know where in New York city
I could find Filipino novels/essays/whatever such as ones
by F. Sionil Jose, Ibong Madaragit(?), etc. in the untranslated
versions?

	Suggestions greatly appreciated.

					                     
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: FREE1263@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: Kwentong kutsero
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:29:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.182558.3574@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>
cayabyab@apache.enet.dec.com (Willie Cayabyab) writes:
 
>
>
>
>      Ano ang masarap sa Manok ?
>
>       eh di palay.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>     Here is another kwentong kutsero.
    here's another one:(warning!  medyo green)
>
      ANONG MASARAP SA ITLOG?????
 
 
 
    e 'di... tangkay! (ito'y sabi ng isang mananayaw sa Ihaw-Ihaw)
 
     rjmeimban/univ of illinois
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Heavy Flooding in Luzon
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:59:16 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	MANILA (UPI) -- Monsoon-induced rains sent floods up to five feet high
rampaging through towns in the northern Philippines Thursday, forcing
more than 3,000 residents to seek higher ground, officials said.
	Emelia Fernandez, a social welfare official about 40 miles north of
Manila, told UPI in a telephone interview that five days of heavy rain
had put at least 14 towns ``under water.''
	``There have been no reports of casualties but the government
evacuated about 3,000 residents from San Marcelino, Zambales to Subic
(Bay Naval Base) early this morning,'' she said.
	Government relief agencies in Manila said over the past five days the
floods have affected some 92,600 people, washed out at least two bridges
and caused millions of dollars in damage.
	The heavy rain was triggered by three tropical storms that hammered
the Philippines last weekend.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino