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From: mark@nwra.com (Mark)
Subject: Re: Sand under Swings?
Organization: Northwest Research Associates, Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:55:52 GMT

I suggested in an earlier post using 1" washed drainrock 4-6" deep.
Problems of rocks in the yard have been discussed and Carolyn ?? used
pea gravel instead of drainrocks.

Pea gravel seems to be the ideal solution. It is too small to cause a
problem when mowing the lawn (Don't mow the lawn with kids around
anyway). It will provide the same cushioning effect as the drainrock 
when the kids land in it. Pea gravel is easier to shovel and is not as
hazardous if kids do throw it at each other.

There are various products called "pea gravel," so check with your
supplier to see which one will work best under the swing.



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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: falgout@gueneverefantasy.jsc.nass.gov (Jane Falgout)
Subject: Re: Diaper Cover Recommendations
Reply-To: aio.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: LESC
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:02:11 GMT

In article <6721@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>, gaulandm@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Mike Gauland) writes:
|> Any recommendations for diaper covers which don't leak, and seem comfortable
|> (i.e., no sharp edges)? Every one we've tried either leaves a rash on Aidan's
|> tummy, or has too little elastic on the legs.
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> Mike-with-the-poopy-shoes
|> 
|> -- 
|> Michael A. Gauland	gaulandm@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM  
|> AA7JF			(503) 627-5067

I highly recommend the Biobottoms diaper covers.  They are available via
mail order from a Biobottoms catalog.  I tried DiaperRaps (?), the cotton
Nikkys, the wool Nikkys, and the wool Biobottoms.  The Biobottoms that I
used worked very well.  They did not leak, and they were quite durable.
They are fairly expensive.  However, the covers will last a long time.
Since the fit of the covers can be adjusted by adjusting where the velcro 
is fastened, you can get a lot of wear out of one size.
(I used the same 7 diaper covers for a year or so.)

Jane Falgout
From: ephraim@think.com (Ephraim Vishniac)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Walkers: should I get one?
Date: 27 Aug 1992 16:16:16 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: henrik.think.com

In article <14337@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
>In Diane Lin's excellent summary of walker dangers, it sounds as 
>though nearly all of the walker-related injuries were due to falling 
>down stairs, and most of the remainder to an inadequately-childproofed 
>home. 

An article in today's (8/27/92) Boston Globe confirms that nearly all
of the 20,000+ injuries annually which involve walkers also involve
stairs or steps. 

What the article was actually about, though, was a bid to ban walkers
completely. This seems excessive to me, since it's not hard to figure
out whether your home has stairs in it, but it seems to be the pet
peeve of Dr. Abe Bergman of Harborview Medical Center (Seattle, WA).
He's collecting data for a petition to be presented to the Consumer
Product Safety Commission (Bethesda, MD). 

-- 
Ephraim Vishniac    ephraim@think.com   ThinkingCorp@applelink.apple.com
 Thinking Machines Corporation / 245 First Street / Cambridge, MA 02142
        One of the flaws in the anarchic bopper society was
        the ease with which such crazed rumors could spread.
From: lynn@elan.Elan.COM (Lynn Gazis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to have a smarter baby?
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:41:38 GMT
Reply-To: lynn@elan (Lynn Gazis)
Organization: Elan Computer Group, Inc., Mountain View, CA

This discussion reminds me of an experience I had with a
seven-year-old boy who was staying with us (along with his
mother) for a few weeks.  I was listening to my language
tapes, and he came up and started to ask me questions.
So I asked, "Would you like me to teach it to you?"  He
immediately left.  So I shut up about teaching him the
language, and ignored him while I listened to the tapes
myself, and after a few days he was back again, listening
with me and repeating the words, and was happy to do so
as long as I made no mention of that dreaded word "teach"
(and no expectations as to how long he would do it and
what he would learn).

Lynn Gazis-Sax
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson)
Subject: Re: Emotional Neglect and Family Size
Organization: Stanford University
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:49:07

In article <1992Aug29.063415.20738@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
   It seems that one of the other things to come out of the current
   ALlen/Farrow controversy is a charge by Soon-Yi (sp) that no one could
   possibly properly take care of as many kids as Farrow has already adopted,
   that somewhere along the line someone has to get neglected.

[Farrow has something like 11 kids, some homemade but most adopted.]

Sounds like nonsense to me.  I am one of six kids.  We have a close
family,  and I had a wonderful childhood (except for school, which was
awful).   And, unlike some others who posted recently, all of us had
fabulous "theme" Birthday parties every year (not expensive, just very
creative and fun).  In a big family, the kids look after each other,
and they entertain each other too.  It may be that Mia Farrow is
neglecting her children, but plenty of parents of big families don't.
Anyway, I don't trust a 21-year-old to judge her mother's parenting
ability.

-- Anne
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:35:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <17ddhqINNms9@iraul1.ira.uka.de> stoesser@i31s22.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.210746.2204163@locus.com>
>judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>|>
>|> "Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; whoever
>|> loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever does
>|> not take up the cross and follow me is not worthy of me."  Matthew 10:37-38
>
>"If anyone comes to me and _does not hate_ his father and mother, his wife
>and _children_, his brothers and sisters---yes, even his own life---he cannot
>be my disciple." Lk, 14:26 (New Testament, New International Version,
>my emphasis). 
>

You are correct.  My Bible has a terrible concordance and when I couldn't
find "children", "hate", or "follow" with the correct verse I did a quick
scan starting with Matthew.

So I reread the passage and was, indeed, disturbed.  Therefore I reread, again,
the WHOLE passage.  It talks about knowing the price of a building before
starting to build and ends with "So therefore, non of you can become my 
disciple if you do not give up all your possessions."  So, in essence, Jesus
is saying in Luke what he said in Matthew.  We must love God MORE than our
families.  

>
>Selective memory, as I said. You simply forget the embarrassing parts.

Perhaps, or because I do not believe in inerrancy and am a strong believer that
we must question interpretation.  And because Jesus said that we must care more
for the spirit of the law than the letter of the law, I can reconcile this
passage as being less important than the one in Matthew, which I believe holds
the essence of the message.  After all, Luke and Matthew were both writing the
words of Jesus as THEY remembered them.

There are lots of contradictions in the Bible.  Much of it is parable.  Some
is myth.  And this is exactly why this thread caused me to post.  You see, I
am like MANY, MANY Christians who do not toe the fundamentalist line.  Yet 
the anti-Christians only attack those who do and lump all Christians into
that category.  

I don't hope to convert anyone to Christianity by these posts.  I just want you
to see that the stereotype you have of ALL Christians is not true.  
-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:29:13 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

> EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary Beth Northrup) writes:
[c-section under general anesthesia]
>Even though it's been 14 mo, I still feel greatly disappointed that I missed
>my son's birth.

I delivered vaginally, my last dose of Nubane was 5.5 hours before the
birth, and I feel I "missed" my son's birth.  I keep asking my husband
to re-tell it, since each time he adds some new detail I wasn't really
aware of at the time.  

On the other hand, Jordan is wonderfully healthy, 7 weeks old today,
and all is well.  

I think that too many people are putting pressure on women to plan and
then have the "perfect" birth experience.  If they don't, they are
then encouraged to feel like failures and "grieve" for the single day
in their life that didn't happen the way they wanted.  I didn't have
the birth I wanted, but I have the child I wanted.  

I'm all for the medical profession letting women do what they want
when there are choices.  When there aren't choices and medical
intervention is necessary, then the woman should feel _proud_ of her
accomplishment--if the outcome is a healthy baby, then all went well
in the long run.


--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Emotional Neglect and Family Size
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:38:36 GMT

On 1 Sep 1992 22:03:12 GMT, bl213@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. C. Kelly) said:

KCK> I think even 15 mins a day would be pretty hard to pull off, and
KCK> I hardly think that's a decent amount of time.  If parents didn't
KCK> have to work outside the home, hired cooks, cleaners, chauffers,
KCK> grocery and mundane household items shoppers, etc. then there wo
KCK> would be time for the kids.  I think in many cases the oldest
KCK> children in a very large family are cheated out of their 
KCK> childhood because they are expected to look after the younger
KCK> ones.  My father was the oldest of 11, and he made a choice to
KCK> have only one child.  He didn't want me to go through what he did.
KCK> Actually, of all of the 11 children, none of them have more than
KCK> 2 kids of their own.

My father is the youngest of ten who reached adulthood and my mother
the oldest of six who did.  I'm an only child and the most cousins
I have in one family is five.  That may seem like a lot, but that
side of the family is Mormon and five is a small Mormon family.

My father is quite convinced that he and his next-oldest brother
pretty much raised themselves, with some parental interaction and a
lot of older sister interaction.  My mother certainly spent a lot of
time doing the older sister stuff in her family and she still, at the
age of 70, resents some of it.  Neither of my grandmothers worked
outside the home, although my mother's family were farmers so working
inside the home was pretty grueling.  And this was back in "the good
old days" that so many people yearn for when, all the pernicious
influences of modern life did not yet exist.  Although one of my
aunts was a flapper and people worried that radio would ruin the
minds of youth with its outside influences.

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "There's no kill like a guns kill." LCDR "Hoser" Satrapa, gunnery instructor
                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jackie8@dasher.uucp (Jackie Brady)
Subject: Re: Baby Cries in Carseat
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 19:25:46 GMT

In article <1684E6B4C.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech) writes:
>I have a friend with a 6 week old baby boy.  She called in tears last night.
>Seems that Charles HATES to ride in the car in his carseat.  He cried all the
>way home from the hospital ( 1 1/2 hours) when he was discharged.  He has
>cried during almost every car ride he has taken since then (including a trip
>from Kentucky to Flordia :^( ).
> [stuff deleted]
>Since the trip to Flordia (when he spent many hours snuggled in Moms lap
				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>because they couldn't stand the screaming), he has been more clingy and
>wants to be held, but he doesn't scream uncontrolably anywhere but in the
>car.
> 
I would like to get the opinion from misc.kid.parents out there
on this one.  I apologize that I'm following up to this article
w/out offering any suggestions, but seeing this post made me want
to ask this.

I know I'm going to get tons of "*you're* not a parent so you can't
possibly know what it's like to deal with a constantly crying baby...etc"
responses, but here goes anyway...  When I read of/see parents who hold
their babies in their laps (for *whatever* reason) it really gets to
me.  There are far too many stories of children in accidents getting
thrown right through the windshield or through the window.  Every time
I see it I get a sickening feeling in my stomach because the parents
should know better, and would have worse problems than constant crying
should a car hit them.

I am honestly interested in the opinions of all you misc.kidders out
there on this.  Am I alone in this.  My SIL took care of her twins by
herself and had the same problem with my nephew -- constantly crying
choking, etc.  Her solution was pulling over and going back to him
until he was better. I'm not saying this is the best idea, but this
is what she did in the same situation.

Flames to /dev/null. I'm just interested in serious opinions. I'm
not interested in a fight. Thanks. :)
---
Jackie Brady/jackie8@cc.bellcore.com/908-699-5458		    
(My company has nothing to do with my opinions.)
Consequences, schmonsequences...as long as I'm rich! -- Daffy Duck
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus)
Subject: Re: Baby's Last Name
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:10:18 GMT


In article <1992Aug29.192622.24047@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu
	(Keith E Gatling) writes:
>Okay, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about (it's happened before) and
>what I'm about to propose is naively simple an bureaucratically impossible
>(one never knows), but I'll give it a shot.
>
>How about you give the baby *your* last name, and then when such time comes
>that the two of you decide to get married, he can adopt the kid and change
>the name then?
>
>Like I said, I may be totally off base, but I figured it was worth a try.

Not totally off base, I may not have made that clear. I think it would be easier
to give her his name now and not have to bother with it later. Besides, 
we're already planning to marry, we just don't know when and I don't want to
confuse the child if she's old enough at that point to have gotten used to
that name. Yes, I'm aware of the possibility of things not working out between
us. (If your wondering, I'm not being lazy or sexist or anything, I'm saying
"she" because we know already that it's a girl.) 

-Jen (due 11-14)


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: stanzi@media.mit.edu (Constance "Stanzi" Royden)
Subject: C-section preparation (was Re: Justin's Birth Story)
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:42:06 GMT

In article <2A9A4E5E.3B30@intercon.com> ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.184922.6330@news.media.mit.edu>, stanzi@media.mit.edu 
>(Constance "Stanzi" Royden) writes:
>> I have similar thoughts about child-birth classes.  Although mine did not
>> advocate non-intervention, and talked a lot about different types of pain
>> medications, they kind of glossed over the reality of C-sections.  They
>> made it sound like C-sections were a breeze and you didn't really have
>> to prepare for them...  
>
>I find that a bit disturbing.  Even though the midwifery practice where I 
>delivered only had a 4% C-section rate, the educational process included a 
>frank discussion of the possibility of c-sections, and a midwife who had 
>delivered all 4 of her children by section for her personal feelings about it.
>
>Perhaps the glossing over of sections in your childbirth class was a 
>misguided and misplaced rage at the high rate of unnecessary c-sections?  I 
>don't know.  But my childbirth class did quite a bit on sections even though, 
>or possibly because the rate in my area is about 33%.

Perhaps I should clarify a bit.  My childbirth class did talk some about
C-sections and let us know that 20% of women got C-sections.  They even
showed a short movie about it.  Before I gave birth, I had *no* problem
with the idea of a C-section.  I knew there was a high probability of one
and that they were often necessary.  I had no particular attachment to the
idea of natural child-birth.  It wasn't until some time after the fact 
that I started to feel I had missed out on something.  I am now told this
is quite a common emotion, but it took me by surprise.  I don't feel
guilty or inadequate or that I should have done "better", I just feel
that I missed something that I really would have liked to experience.
I know vaginal deliveries are no bed of roses, but nonetheless....  

Also, the C-section itself was more difficult than I had imagined.  I
shivered uncontrollably from the anesthetic (they told me that was
common too), which was quite exhausting.  It was also somewhat scary
"My god! Those people over there are performing major surgery on me!"
It seemed like it took an hour (although my husband said it only took
10 minutes to get the baby out).  And I became quite nauseous toward
the end (also from the anesthetic).  My recovery in the hospital was
long (5 days) and unpleasant.

Perhaps they were trying to be too positive in my class about C-sections
so people wouldn't worry about them.  I don't remember them saying
anything negative about them.  Personally, I would have liked to
hear a more realistic description of the surgery and the emotional
reactions that people often have.  Sounds like your class did a better
job--Good for them!
From: latwood@oodis01.af.mil (Lynette Atwood)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Last Names:  mom's  (new twist!!)
Summary: "Lets name the mommy!"
Keywords: name, marraige, Mr. Right!!
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:51:36 GMT
Followup-To: e-mail
Distribution: na
Organization: Hill AFB, Utah

Hi all - the line on the baby's last name brought up a question I have
had.  As some of you may remember, I *recently* got a divorce (abusive
husband - bad situation).  Since then I have met a WONDERFUL man who
is great to me and my children (I have known him for a long time but,
since my separation, he has been helping me take care of my children
emotionally, financially, physically (paying attention to them, etc.)
- like their father *SHOULD be doing*)  Anyway, that is another story.
Here is the question . . .

This wonderful man and I are planning on getting married.  Now, lets
say his last name is, hm, Smith (good generic name).  As you can see,
my last name (and the last name of my children) is Atwood.  I would
like opinions on what my last name should be.  I DON'T want to leave
it Atwood (I *like* his last name and think that it would be a slap in
the face to keep husband #1's name over his) but I would like the
children to be identifiable with me.

  Here are my options (so far)  so, lets vote!!!

        1)  Lynette Atwood-"Smith"
                   or
        2)  Lynette "Smith"
                   or
        3) Your option

I would also love to hear success/horor stories about stuff like this.
I have seen a few of the problems with kids having different names
than the parents (mostly from unthinking people).

If any of you are wondering why I'm using "Smith" as a pseudoname, I
work with my fiance and we haven't made any sort of announcement yet
(most don't even know we have been dating) and . . . one never knows
who has net access!  If it makes any difference to anyone, his last
name has 8 letters in it - makes for a long hyphenation.


e-mail please and I'll post if there is much interest.

 _//  Lynette Atwood _/_ _/_
 /    __  , ____  _  /   /  _       [insert humor here]
/___ / (_/_/ / <_</_<___<__</_
        /
latwood@oodis01.af.mil
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Subject: Re: 2nd Pregnancy Thoughts and Home Tests
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:44:43 GMT

In article <2474@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM>
sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam) writes:
>>
>>with a home pregnancy test extra-early, why not take your (oral) temperature?
>>If it is above 98 degrees and STAYS above 98 degrees (take it every morning
>>before rising), you are most likely pregnant.
>>  I read about this 'sign of pregnancy' in a book by Sheldon Cherry, M.D.
>>_For Women Only_ , I think, was the title.  It worked for me.  The temperature
>>goes up and stays up after conception.
>>
>>                        K. Wilk
>>                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
>>
>
>  Other people have already replied to this post, but I want to be sure no
>one is confused -- your temperature should rise **after ovulation**;  there
>is no way to pinpoint the occurence or non-occurence of conception with
>this method.  In the days after ovulation, the temp will stay high,
>regardless of whether or not conception has occurred.  However, if your
>temp stays up *after* your period is due, then you may be pregnant.  But
>by that time you can do a home pregnancy test anyway.
 
  I don't even have this book around anymore (I'll have to find it) so I
will have to go back and check the scenario described by Dr. Cherry.  I
remember that my temperature line did rise to above 98 and stay there -
I used the temp method instead of those ovulation kits when planning my
second child.
  BUT using the temp method is so tricky, anyway, that I mentioned the
drawbacks in my post - it will be affected by infections, colds, etc.
I offered this method in response to someone who wanted to know so badly
that she was willing to try testing herself with a home testing kit EXTRA
early because she was so eager.  If it is true that your temp stays up after
your period is due, it still is cheaper than a home pregnancy test.
  By the way, my doctor didn't care about anything I told him about my
temperature.  Temp is a tool for charting your ovulation but a very faulty
tool!
 
                        K. Wilk
                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
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