HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

> Does anyone know if HP-UX the "source" command (or equivalent) ?

'Source' is a csh built-in.  The equivalent in ksh or sh is '.'

--Mike Jassowski
egex() are kept in /lib/libPW.a.  Unfortunately,
> >       /lib/libPW.a also contains some functions that have the same names as
> >       functions contained in the default C library, /lib/libc.a.  To prevent
> >       unexpected results due to these name conflicts, always search libc
> >       before searching libPW.  This is done with the ld (or cc) command line
> >       option sequence -lc -lPW which satisifies all standard C functions
> >       from libc then searches libPW for the regcmp() and regex() functions
> >       (there is also an implied -lc following the explicit -lPW to satisfy
> >       any additional C functions required by regcmp() and regex()).
> 
> Of course, if you do this, then ld will simply grab all the routines in
> libc.a instead of using shared libraries (and X is bloated enough software
> as it is even with the shared libraries being used).

The warning cited above is a little out of date.  The libc library
exists in both archived form and in shared lib form.  Unless you take
pains otherwise, -lc will cause the shared lib form of libc to be used
to satisfy externals.  Thus there's no real advantage to rolling your
own shared lib or even making a special purpose archived lib.  In fact,
I see a risk in doing so because it freezes in any library routines
which otherwise might be updated during subsequent system releases.

Mike McNelly
mike@fc.hp.com
(Not a spokesman for anybody but myself)
From: kkeller@qa.nad.northrop.com (Kelton Keller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: I Need Information
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:08:14 GMT
Organization: Product Assurance and Technology, Northrop Corporation

Does anyone know of an application for the HP that does document storage
and retreival using keyword search capability.  Something like a hypertext
type system.  I want to take files like man pages that allows users to 
search on words typed in to get all the documents that contain those words.
This could be any public domain, share ware or comercial product.
     

     Could you please EMAIL any responses to me since I dont get on newsnet
     too often.
     Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: kniveton@zeus.swindon.rtsg.mot.com (Andy Kniveton)
Subject: Xautolock
Organization: Motorola Ltd
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:38:32 GMT

Hi,

I've compiled up xautolock on my 700 which does the following, Its a shame that
the lock program in vue can't do this :-

PURPOSE
=======

Xautolock is a program which monitors console activity, and starts up
a program of  your choice if  nothing  happens  during a certain time
interval.  You can use this to automatically start up a screen locker
in case you tend  to forget to do so  manually before having a coffee
break.

By default it uses xlock to lock the screen any ideas how I can get it to use
the lock screen program that called up when I hit the padlock in vue.

The following options can be used with xautolock :-
106 %  xautolock -help

Usage : xautolock [-help][-version][-time minutes][-locker locker]
                  [-notify margin][-bell percent][-corners xxxx]
                  [-cornerdelay secs][-cornersize pixels][-noclose]

 -help              : print this message and exit.
 -version           : print version number and exit.
 -time minutes      : time to lock screen [1 < minutes < 60].
 -locker locker     : program used to lock.
 -notify margin     : beep this many seconds before locking.
 -bell percent      : loudness of the beep.
 -corners xxxx      : corner actions (0, +, -) in this order :
                      topleft topright bottomleft bottomright
 -cornerdelay secs  : time to lock screen in a `+' corner.
 -cornersize pixels : size of corner areas.
 -noclose           : do not close stdout and stderr.

Defaults :

  time        : 10 minutes
  locker      : xlock
  notify      : don't beep
  bell        : 40%
  corners     : 0000
  cornerdelay : 5 seconds
  cornersize  : 10 pixels

107 %

Andy.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: davidb@zeus.ce.washington.edu (David W. Barts)
Subject: Re: Backup to DAT over net
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:20:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.095125.2987@eye.com>, paul@eye.com (Paul B. Booth) writes:
> In article <1992Jul23.170942.11576@cs.nott.ac.uk> pczip@mips.Berkeley.EDU (Ivan Powis) writes:
> >We recently installed several hp9000/700's which are all networked together
> >along with a single DAT drive. One question we asked all suppliers, including
> >hp , was "can you run a backup over the net?". They all said yes. However,
> >having chosen hp, I now find its not so simple. Using fbackup and traversing
> >nfs mounts to get at files on the remote systems (ie not having the DAT drive)
> >isn't adequate, because the superuser protection applied by NFS stops me 
> >accessing remote files that don't have general access permission. So using
> >NFS to get at the remote file sytems isn't the answer.
> >
> >How do you go about this? At the moment we're having to physically carry the DAT
> >drive around from machine to machine. This surely isn't the way it has to be done
> >is it? 
> >
> >Ivan Powis
> 
> At 9.0, rumor has it, hp-ux will update its NFS implementation to allow you
> to permit root access on an nfs-mounted filesystem. [ instructions on how
> to punch a gaping security hole in NFS edited ]

That will work, but aside from security issues, you're still running
find(1) on a remote filesystem.  (Can you say "slow"?  I knew you
could.)

It is far better to avoid using NFS entirely when doing a backup.  At
UW Civil Engineering, we simply use the rmt(1m) interface of Gnu tar
(which we always run local to the files being backed up) to send the tar
data stream to a remote tape.  The backup script itself runs on the
tape host and simply uses remsh(1) to invoke an appropriate gtar
command on the node being backed up. I.e., the tape host executes
a command like:
	remsh workstation gtar cblf 32 tapehost:/dev/tapename / /users

Other advantages of Gnu tar are the price (free!), portability between
different systems, and source code availability if you find a bug that
needs fixing RIGHT NOW.

--
David Barts  N5JRN                      UW Civil Engineering, FX-10
davidb@ce.washington.edu                Seattle, WA  98195
From: khindria@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Vivek Khindria (CSU))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Best Mail User Interface
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:02:35 GMT
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.


      Actually,  the new release of pine (3.0.3) has an HPUX build option.  I
haven't compiled it, but have seen the option there. 

    Vivek Khindria

    Network Analyst, Faculty of Health Sciences, McMaster University

    khindria@mcmaster.ca


In article <Brt3MB.D16@ef2007.efhd.ford.com> Mike O'Connor <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com> writes:
>
>The last time I checked, pine and/or pico was not ported to the HP.
>
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: mjo@ef2007.efhd.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Image Display on an HP720?
X-Disclaimer: Not an official spokesperson for Ford OPEO
Reply-To: Mike O'Connor <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
Organization: International Affairs, Overseas Engineering, "Fordz"
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:29:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.083038.7322@cfa160.harvard.edu>
bruce@cfa.harvard.edu (Bruce Sams) writes:

:Does anyone out there have a recommnendation for a good, simple way to 
:get a picture on the screen?  We really don't need anything fancy, just
:to see our 128x128 or 256x256 pixel images displayed on the screen 
:(large enough to see clearly) with a simple choice of color palette 
:and (hopefully, but not necessarily) cursor movement to give 
:positions/and or pixel values.

Get xv, available for anonymous FTP for the HP from:
iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu:/comp.hp 

This is the best darned image viewer I've ever seen.  :)



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 Ford Motor Company, OPEO      |  UUCP:      ...!{backbone}!fmsrl7!mjo
 20000 Rotunda, Bldg. 1-3001   |  Phone:     +1 (313) 248-1260
 Dearborn, MI  48121           |  Fax:       +1 (313) 323-6277
From: rjn@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:23:41 GMT
Subject: Re: HP9000/834.. is it a 2 user only machine ?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, alex@opal.idbsu.edu (Alex Feldman) writes:

> Just out of curiosity, how difficult/expensive is it to upgrade one of
> those to an 837, if it's possible at all?

There are probably 800 multi-user trade-in programs in place.  I have no
data on them.

There is a workstation trade-in program in place today.  It is about to be
enhanced for Series 800.  As of 01 Sep, any Series 800 workstation system is
eligible for a trade-in credit of between $2200 and $11,500 when purchasing
any Series 700 Model with a list price of $9900 or more.  Your sales rep
will have details at the end of August.

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
Bob Niland      Internet: rjn@FC.HP.COM               3404 East Harmony Road
                CompuServe:  71044,2124               Ft Collins CO 80525-9599

This article represents only the opinion[s] of its author, and is not an
official or unofficial position of, or statement by, the Hewlett-Packard
Company.  The text is provided for informational purposes only.  It is
supplied without warranty of any kind.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: shgoh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Seow-Hiong Goh)
Subject: Question on HP1000
Originator: shgoh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:23:37 GMT


I need some pointers on a HP1000.
How does one go about producing a hex dump of a binary program in the
system?

any pointers would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance!

SH Goh

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: neal@neal.ctd.comsat.com (Neal Becker)
Subject: Re: talk/talkd (actually ntalk/ntalkd)
Organization: COMSAT Labs
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:40:57 GMT

Try mine on for size.  You can get ntalk.hpux.tar.Z from ftp to
flyhalf.ctd.comsat.com.  This is my own port, very similar to others.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: mjo@ef2007.efhd.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Memory fault from "w"
X-Disclaimer: Not an official spokesperson for Ford OPEO
Reply-To: Mike O'Connor <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
Organization: International Affairs, Overseas Engineering, "Fordz"
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:26:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.063652.18565@pttdis.pttnwb.nl>
houten@prso.pttnwb.nl (K. van Houten) writes:

:Hp says w(1) is unsupported, but they have a working version, 
:as a non-standard patch. Ask for it.

Unsupported, but in /usr/bin?

Sheesh...

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 Dearborn, MI  48121           |  Fax:       +1 (313) 323-6277
Xref: sparky comp.sys.hp:8450 comp.sys.sequent:464 comp.sys.sun.hardware:3509 comp.sys.encore:93
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.sequent,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.encore
Subject: Comments on Unikix (CICS for Unix) anyone?
From: hilbig_t@qis.dofasco.ca
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:01:39 GMT
Organization: Dofasco Inc, Hamilton, Ont. Can.
Nntp-Posting-User: hilbig_t

 
Has anyone got experience with Integris Unikix product.  We are considerring
it to move CICS applications off of our MVS mainframe onto a Unix platform.
If anyone has done this, I would like to know how the application scaled when
putting it on the new platform.

Thanks, Tom

-- 
Thomas Hilbig,
Information and Automation Systems,
Dofasco Inc.                    
hilbig_t@qis.dofasco.ca           
From: ajs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Alan Silverstein)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:48:46 GMT
Subject: Re: HP9000/834.. is it a 2 user only machine ?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

> ...HP9000/834, and cant seem to get more than 2 users to login at once...
>
> HP-UX acme A.B7.00 U 9000/834 23506101

Hmm...  the "U" letter means unlimited license, so unless your kernel
build got message up, I dunno.  Can you specify "can't seem to get more
than 2 users to login at once" -- what is the failure symptom?

(I'll mail a copy of this to the submitter.)
From: shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: windows unexpectedly dying - why and how to fix it ?
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:59:43 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <13330036@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> stevewi@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Steve Witten) writes:
>The shells running in these terminal windows probably have
>'autologout' turned on.  Try turning this off.  The C-shell syntax is 
>
>	unset autologout
>
>I don't know what the sh/ksh syntax is.

  $ unset TMOUT

        or

  $ TMOUT=0

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Silicon Graphics Inc.			Phone:	+1-415-390-2072
From: rjn@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:24:06 GMT
Subject: Re: reconfigure keyborad of HP700
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, ghsu@critical.nswc.navy.mil writes:

> Hi, I recently switch from Sun to HP workstations.   I am having a
> toughest time adjusting to the keyboard.

Which HP keyboard?

If you are using the 46021A "ITF" keyboard, be advised that there is
also a PC-101 layout keyboard available for the 700, via local kit

A2205A      $100 
Option ABA  NC    (for US)

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
Bob Niland      Internet: rjn@FC.HP.COM               3404 East Harmony Road
                CompuServe:  71044,2124               Ft Collins CO 80525-9599
From: spero@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Spero Koulouras)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:32:40 GMT
Subject: Re: HP vs IBM
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

Based on my employment there is an obvious bias to this response,
so I'll limit my comments to SoftPC rather than promoting the
purchase of our wonderful,  fantastic HP system over the competition.

SoftPC 3.0 emulates a 286 with VGA resolution.  I've run 
various MS-Windows 3.0 applications including Word for Windows,
Project for Windows and Excel satisfactorily,  but not with the
speed of the 25MHZ 386 at my "other" desk.

My personal feeling is that SoftPC is very useful if the HP-UX
workstation and HP-UX apps are your primary environment,  but PC
tools are required for a few tasks here & there.  Buying the
Series 700 in order to run PC apps through SoftPC as a primary
environment is probably not the best value you could find.

We've begun the process of weaning people from DOS and Windows
based aps and migrating to some highly functional packages
running under HP-UX including:

  -  CorelDraw
  -  Framemaker
  -  Island Write,  Draw & Paint

Most users that have tried the aps running under HP-UX don't
ever want to see a PC again.

Regards,

  Spero Koulouras
  HP Grenoble Networks Division

DISCLAIMER:  The above comments are my personal opinion and
	     are not sanctioned by,  or the official position
	     of,  Hewlett-Packard.
From: wk@cup.hp.com (Wayne Krone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: DAT drive on 835, help please
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:00:46 GMT
Organization: HP-UX Kernel Lab, Cupertino

hm@hcshh.hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) writes:

: do you think, just because some people needed more horsepower and bought
: an 800, they don't need the promised openness ???

The decision was based on the fact that many (note I didn't say "all")
s800 customers are more concerned with robustness than access to a wider
source/variety of peripherals.  We've tested some third party
peripherals and found they work fine in "normal" operation but cause
problems in corner cases (e.g., powerfail situations; on a heavily used
bus with other devices).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: jhd@irfu.se (Jan D.)
Subject: Re: diskless server advice
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 09:55:23 GMT
Organization: Swedish Institute of Space Physics, Uppsala, Sweden

In article <123040004@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com> larryt@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (Larry Thompson) writes:
>>>As of HP-UX 9.0, discless S/400 nodes will only be bootable from a
>>>Series 700 (or 400) server.
>>
>>WHAT?  I've got a cluster of s300/s400 diskless machines served by a 835;
>>that means I can't upgrade it to 9.0?
>>
>>OK, I can understand dropping support for ancient models in new
>>OS versions.  But I would seriously appreciate finding out about
>>such things a little beforehand.
>
>This has actually been talked about ALOT (both in this notes group and some
>HP internal notes groups). The series 800 machines will not support diskless
>in 9.0! If you need a diskless server that is running 9.0 you must use
>a series [347]00.
>
>No decision has been made yet if or when diskless will return to the s800.
>There is a great deal of thought and effort being put into (as we speak :-)) 
>this so don't give up hope.
>

No diskless at all!! Can this be true? Does this mean that our configuration 
of diskless s300 on a 835 will be impossible in 9.0? What's the rationale
behind this? Force all s800 owners to buy new s700 machines?

As about talked ALOT, it's the first time I hear about it.

	Jan D.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: hulet@ruf.rice.edu (Randall G. Hulet)
Subject: HP vs IBM
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:56:25 GMT


     We are going to purchase an entry level workstation
and are trying to decide between a HP 705 or an IBM
RS6000 220.  Our main use for the machine would be to
do floating point intensive Monte-Carlo calculations,
so floating point speed is important.  I understand
that the HP is a little faster, and that HP-UX is a
nicer operating system than AIX, but IBM is asking 
less money for their machine.  Therefore, if the
differences were slight, we would go with the IBM.

    Also, I would like to know if SoftPC is a 
worthwhile program.  This could be useful to us
if it performed reasonably well and did not have
to many bugs.  Could someone tell me if it emulates
a 286 or a 386 machine, if it can run MS Windows
applications, and how it deals with graphics?

   Any information and opinions will be appreciated!

Thanks.

Randy Hulet (randy@atomcool.rice.edu)
From: beamishd@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Xnetlib runtime error
Date: 20 Jul 92 10:31:02 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

Hi, I get this error when I try to run xnetlib 3.0 on a hp720 running 8.07.
Does anyone know if and how I can avoid it ?

Warning: Cannot convert string "" to type Cursor
X Error of failed requet:  BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter)
  Major opcode of failed request:  93 (X_CreateCursor)
  Resource id in failed request:  0x0
  Serial number of failed request:  150
  Current serial number in output stream:  152

I've seen other people on the net note this error before but unfortunately
haven't seen any reply. ( probably dozing and missed it :)) )

Also on a related note, I have compiled gcc 2.2.2 and it seems to work fine but
can I make it link with the shared libraries that hp ships. It seems to go for
the archive libraries by default and I can't see any way in the man page to
change that. Is this possible ?
                                    Norman Beamish                            
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                                    University College, Dublin
                                    Belfield, Dublin 4
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From: mobej@thaad-1g%hac2arpa.hac.com (M. Obejas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: trouble with HP-UX software support : solution idea
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:22:27 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I have a support contract that allows me access to support.mayfield.hp.com
but I agree with Grag Cagle that it is not a friendly system to use. Let me
pose an idea and ask the net what it thinks.

Background: (i.e., how I find out about patches)
My best source of patches/bugs info is comp.sys.hp; I typically see a problem
that I have (or may have not encountered yet) addressed in an article and a
kind soul usually responds with an answer of the form "get PATCH PHxx_nnnn and
that will solve your problem". Great, but support.mayfield.hp.com does not
lend itself to such a query. If I'm wrong, don't flame - educate me.

Idea #1: 
support.mayfield.hp.com has an ftp directory available to us paying customers.
We log in and answer the password and whatever other id info is necessary. 
There is a directory called /pub/patches; I can do a binary get of any patch
named as PHxx_nnnn.

Idea #2: 
support.mayfield.hp.com has a mail server for patches; the requestor sends the
request with a line such as 
send PHxx_nnnn
and id info such as
contract #    
Support_handle ________
in the body of the message. The mail server validates the id info, possibly
further validates by matching requestor user@address to known supported site
addresses, logs any needed info regarding the requestor, and sends the patch
to the requestor.

Is the problem that this is too simple? Apology for the sarcasm. Seriously,
tell me who to mail this to and I will happily do so. Discussion is welcome.
Responses from HP, particularly OFFICIAL ones, are hoped for - not just
responses from the kind souls with hp.com addreses (Frank Slootweg, et al)
which regularly make this newsgroup a much better source of support. If you
prefer one idea over the other, please let me know.

With 
Vuewm*Mail*chime: true 
I anxiously await your judgement.

--
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                mobej@thaad-1g@hac2arpa.hac.com   if the above doesn't work
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