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From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.politics
Subject: Re: The Maastricht vote (was Re: Dog in House of Parliament)
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:01:19 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
>Of course, in more recent times, Thatcher had Lord "I don't actually
>have any ideas in my head, as a matter of fact" Young in the cabinet.
>And a lot of good it would have done to have _him_ in the commons.

Thatcher had Lord Carrington as Foreign Minister - one of the
three "top jobs" outside PM held by someone in the Lords, and
someone who was only there by virtue of a remote ancestor being
made a peer. There were complaints that it meant he couldn't be
questioned by MPs, but the appointment held.

It is only a convention that the PM should be in the Commons.
The last PM in the Lords was I believe Lord Salisbury around
the turn of the century. If a Lord were appointed PM by the
Sovereign, and got a vote of confidence in the Commons, I don't
think there's a lot could be done about it.

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:57:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.172355.23576@bmers145.bnr.ca>, passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)   writes...
>In article <92324.1047372893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, andy
><2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>|>> I'm new to this group but.... is this guy for real!?!?
>|>
>|>No, he is not, he is actually a cartoon character put out by Warner Bros. to
>|>try our patience:) Godfrey is one of those obsessive compulsive types who
>|>is so overconfident and so insecure that he cannot deal with it when one
>|>of his ideas is seen as unworthy of support by the National Research Council

What is t with you dumb Canadians?  I must have repeated 10 times on this
network that my dispute with NRC had NOTHING at all to do with what you
have conjectured as a grant issue, and is fully described in July 11th
New Scientisy in my article about authorship of papers.  The rest of the
dispute had to do with other employment related matters.

>|>thus he boils and boils and decides that not only is the entire National
>|>Research Council stupid for not recognising his unique genius, but the

I guess this is what comes of trying to get a simple fact about an academic
dispute across to know-nothing Canadian undergraduates that populate this
network group.  The isue had nothing to do with grants, recognition of
genius (!) or anything like it - it had to do with authorship of scientific
papers - is that not clear?

>|>whole country is to blame. Thus he frequently posts irrelevant garbage
>|>on canadian newsgroups in a vain attempt to heal his bruised ego by
>|>striking back at the nation which shunned him and failed to see his true
>|>genius. In short, he is a self-centred, egoistical crackpot who has a lot
>|>of growing up to do.  Hope this answered your question:)
>|>
For Christ's sake - I am 40 years old and resent an undergraduate without een
the wit to understand a posting telling me to grow up.
>|>
> But, surely, a man of his ilk need not be satisfied by whatever pittance
> the NRC might deign to throw his way? Could he not live like a king on
> the, undoubtedly huge, sums of money he must be getting from U.S. sources
> for his priceless insights into the world of science?
> 
I don't work for the SSC.  Also your English is confused - have you thought
of attending a remedial class for grammer and writing skills?

> Seriously though, thanks for the reply. I shall now adjust my kill file
> accordingly.
> 
> Chris
> 
>=======================================================================
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: brooksd@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dawn Jennifer Brooks)
Subject: Jelly Baby Art
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305 USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:46:47 GMT

JELLY BABY ART JELLY BABY ART JELLY BABY ART!

Brilliant!!!!!

You could re-post as "gummy bear art" in soc.culture.Geraman.

Which are better, Jelly Babies or gummy bears.  And which came first?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: prodger@leland.Stanford.EDU (phillip prodger)
Subject: Re:  US/British Citizenship
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 20:32:24 GMT

Simple answer:  Just look inside your US passport.  As of 10 years
ago or so, a definition of "dual national" is printed in the back
with all the Agriculture policy etc.  

There was a time when it was technically not allowed by the US 
authorities.  But even then, there was little enforcement.  The
BC, when queried, simply said, "Oh, yes, well...just don't tell the
yanks."

Most impressive.
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:17:57 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Nov16.092452.993@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
~
~I know a number of people of Anglo-Indian or Goan background
~and have noticed that they tend to use "you-all" for 2nd person
~plural quite consistently, a construction which I had
~previously associated with the southern USA. 

"You all" ("y'all") is commonly used in S. US to indicate a singular person.

-- 
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"I have to scan these posts in case Jeremy includes some line
out of context in his .sig" - FriendOfFernandoKhomeini.
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From: th2_oate@csd.uwe.ac.uk (Tom Oates)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:31:09 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:-

>I don't work for the SSC.  Also your English is confused - have you thought
>of attending a remedial class for grammer and writing skills?
                                   ^^^^^^^
I'm sure that it was merely a typing error, and in no way an indication that
Dr Godfrey should attend a remedial class to improve his grammar and writing 
skills. It would be cruel to say that he ought to set a better example himself
before criticizing others. So I won't mention it. 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers
From: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Chammers ( Was Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there)
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:07:25 GMT
Reply-To: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <1992Nov16.151319.6168@news.clarkson.edu> walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:
>From article <BxtBG2.KHF@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, by morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay):
>Maybe because I did understand them I thought that they were speaking
>"standard" english.
>

Well obviously at least one of *us* isnae :-)


M

--
Morna Findlay 					JANET:morna@uk.ac.ed.dcs 
	Thanksgiving For a National Victory (Robert Burns)
Ye hypocrites! are these your pranks? To murder men and give God thanks?
Desist, for shame! Proceed no further: God won't accept your thanks for murther.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics thereof
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:37:39 GMT

Trevor Kirby (Trevor.Kirby@newcastle.ac.uk) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Nov9.141455.16960@pixel.kodak.com>, dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
> 
> >Take any direction away from Newcastle (sorry, Nyercassel) and the language
> >will change by an astounding amount in a surprisingly short distance.  It
> >
> Ah divn't think it's aal that extreme ye knaa.

In future, when posting in Geordie, remember to provide proper musical
notation with the text.  Thank you.

> Mind you having said that I
> have a south Durham accent with a touch of teeside in it and several people
> round here find me hard to understand

Yes, I've had that problem, coming from Teesside myself.  Fortunately
there's always Wor Mike and Wor George to help out.

Giz a broon!

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.politics
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: Comparison of voting systems (was: Rule Britannia)
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:16:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.130820.3291@aber.ac.uk> per@aber.ac.uk (Peter David Roberts) writes:
>
>With all this debate about the pros and cons of PR in both groups and with 
>the claims so regularly made that PR leads to weak government, I dont suppose
>this is the right time to point out the "strong decisive" government that 
>our current FPTP system has produced.
>
>So decisive that the government has misled the house for 2 years over Iraq 
>arms sales, so strong that we have a complete reversal of economic policy in
>the space of a month.
>
>The best advert at the moment for PR is not the Lib Dems, although we usually
>are, but the mess that the Tory government has made of the Economy
>employment, Europe the Miners. All this in only 6 months!! what will they
>manage in the next 4 years and most of it preventable by a coalition government

One view is that we've currently got a coalition government, but it's
a coalition between the Tory centre (who control the administration)
and the Tory right.  Major's antics in trying to buy votes for the
Maastricht paving bill certainly resembled the tactics of coalition
governments.


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From: tmw9@aber.ac.uk (Thomas Mayne Waddell)
Newsgroups: uk.politics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Fixed Term Parliaments
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:46:03 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

At the start of the year the forthcoming defeat of the Tories was seen as a
certainty.
In April the general election was won by the Tories.
Since then the Government has gone from crisis to crisis without any real
idea of what must be done.
Even their "facts" seem to be accepted and backed by fewer and fewer people.
Matrix Churchill, the Miners, the Economy have all dealt blows to the Government
Now they would lose an election if it was called.

In other words thanks to our present system that allows the government to call
the election when it pleases them we are faced with up to 5 years of Tory rule,
which is clearly contrary to the wishes of the public.
Clearly it is practically impossible to change the Government each time the 
Country sways away from them, but should we really allow them to plan it so that
the PM can call the election just when it suits?

I would find it very very hard to believe that J. Major and co did not know
that Matrix Churchill, the economy and the miners would all blow up in their 
faces.

I think that the above form a very good argument for fixed term Parliaments.
Obviously some balance would have to be built in to cover a position where the
Government loses its majority in the House(or Houses), but that is not difficult

The longer we retain our present system the more harm will be done to this 
country.

Any comments?

Tom.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: marky@engin.umich.edu (Mark Anthony Young)
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 03:24:14 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>
>No, I would just prefer to see a reasoned attack on me rather than the
>sort of name-calling that I could expect from school-children
>
>Laurence
>
Ever thought that you're just reaping what you've sown?

...mark young
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: tony@nexus.yorku.ca (Anthony Wallis)
Subject: The Teddy Boys Picnic.
Organization: York University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:00:14 GMT

(From my memory banks, circa 35 years ago ..)

If you go down in the woods today,
You better go in disguise,
In drainpipe trews,
and high-coloured shoes,
And something intense in ties.

Don't bother to wash,
It's likely to rain.
Just take a cosh,
and a bicycle-chain.
For today's the day the Teddy Boys have their picnic !

--
tony@nexus.yorku.ca = Tony Wallis, York University, Toronto, Canada
From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Split soc.culture.british
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:51:06 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca) wrote:
[I wrote]:
: - You're missing the point - this is a golden opportunity to create
: - soc.culture.british.dave.yalladee.pillock.pillock.pillock.....
: -
:   One moment, are you the same nut who wants a Yrokshire Republic??

And it's nice to see that Dave is still excellent at spotting irony, sarcasm
and all those things that go to make up a truly _BRITISH_ sense of humour.

pete
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Dept. of Computer Science, University of York, York, Y01 5DD (+44/0)904 433388
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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Splitting up s.c.b and debate on Uk.* groups going international, vo
Date: 15 Nov 92 12:37:50 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Enough words,  TIME FOR ACTION!!

  Recent debate on the status of s.c.b and uk.*  have me saying one thing only,
let vote on the groups we want to see on the net based s.c.b and let's see
which groups go international.  I can design a ballot.  All the we need is a
polling officer.

  Let's look at this seriously, and Guy, thanks for the motion of support.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
American (n) - A person resident or born on the Continient of America
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:32:01 GMT

In article <18NOV199212445009@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>Some of my Canadian readers have complained to the lab at which one of my accounts
>is based, in an attempt to have me prevented from using the vax from which I
>usually access usenet.  It seems that rather than endure my complaints about
>their awful and intensely boring country, they would rather try to construct
>a case for interfering with my legitimate work.

WOW, never ceases to amaze me that there is alway, someONE
everyone loves to hate in every newsgroup! Hey, isnt there
a newsgroup just for those SOMEONE's? If not they should make one
they can flame each other till <insert some likely event>.


RT
From: ckp2n@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Christina Powell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Clinton's British connection
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:14:00 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

banarji@unixg.ubc.ca  writes:
> 		Clinton's British connection
> 
>   Much has been made of U.S. president-elect Bill Clinton's stay at Oxford.
> He seems to have liked Britain so much that his daughter is named after
> a London suburb.
>   Chelsea isn't exactly a popular name for girls in North America. Is it 
> popular in Britain?
>   How would you like to be named Brixton or Soho :-)
> 
I beg to differ.  I have known several young girls named Chelsea,
the majority of whom were born after 1970. Not to say that I am
representative of all of North America, but when I've met more
than 6 girls named Chelsea, it can't be THAT rare of a name.

Chris
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 14:50:57 IST
From: Danny Rothenberg <X68147@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Split soc.culture.british
Distribution: world
 <1992Nov12.121359.17488@rdg.dec.com> <1dtt53INNri6@early-bird.think.com>

In article <1dtt53INNri6@early-bird.think.com>, sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee)
says:
>
>So where did the culture go ? like, The Archers, or those fascinating
>discussions about Marmite ? and is Mornington Crescent geography ?
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Has anybody got the rules, if any, for Mornington Crescent.  I have
never been able to work it out :-((((

>For 'speech' read 'language', by the way. We shouldn't ignore the
>written word. It also allows Yadallee another group to crosspost into.
>
>Daan Sandee                                           sandee@think.com
>Thinking Machines Corporation
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Clinton's British connection
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:45:52 GMT

In article <1eov0vINNecq@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji) writes:
>               Clinton's British connection
>
>  Much has been made of U.S. president-elect Bill Clinton's stay at Oxford.
>He seems to have liked Britain so much that his daughter is named after
>a London suburb.
>  Chelsea isn't exactly a popular name for girls in North America. Is it
>popular in Britain?
>  How would you like to be named Brixton or Soho :-)
>
>       She was named after a song by Joni Mitchell.  This makes
>       me feel old.

	Alec Chambers.
From: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.politics
Subject: Re: The Maastricht vote (was Re: Dog in House of Parliament)
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:25:30 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

In article <7176@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk> martin@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk (Martin Gorman) writes:
>I can think of two quite mind-boggling outsiders: Jeffrey Archer and
>Cecil Parkinson. Or are they both lords now? That's even more mind
>boggling. Does being a peer and eligable for the house of lords 
>automatically stop you being a prime minister?


There's no problem with a member of the Lords being PM - but it would
greatly pissoff the other parties as they could not have a PM Questions
session (but this is a very recent innovation anyway, parliament managed for
years without expecting the PM to give reasonably accurate answers to random
questions of the top of his/her head.) 

-- 
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UTS Sys Admin,  Manchester Computing Centre,  Oxford Rd,  Manchester, M13 9PL
During a week's TV I want to be entertained, bored, delighted, disgusted, made
happy, saddened, enlightened, mystified, else they aren't doing the job right.
From: mike@frey.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there
Date: 19 Nov 1992 01:42:00 GMT
Organization: N.I.C.E.
Reply-To: mike@frey.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.81

Dr A. N. Walker writes:
>.... some are less comprehensible to outsiders than others;  and the point
>at which a dialect becomes a separate language is purely political.]

Actually, the way you've gone & written this, I think you're really
saying, "the way a separate language becomes a dialect is purely
political."
From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: English English
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:19:48 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <14NOV199219044576@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>I have just received a letter from the omnipotent BT which begins:
>thank you for your complaint about .... which has been onpassed to me.
>Can anyone spot the non-English word in the sentence above?  Is this
>another one, like de-plane, that we have to thank the Americans for?
>
>Laurence

Heaven forbid. Somebody must have upscrewed. 

Gerry
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: disraeli@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jamie Lara Bronstein)
Subject: Re: Clinton's British connection
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 17:10:21 GMT


>Just don't expect the Special Relationship to become any more special,
>simply because Bill can be assumed to understand punts and crumpets.
>-- 
It seems to me that professing to understand punts and crumpets is about
the size of the "special relationship" these days...it's become a
historical phenomenon more than anything else, predicated on the 
fortuitous friendships between U.S. and British leaders rather than on
any true concurrence of long-term goals. Or am I just a pessimist?

Jamie Bronstein	              disraeli@leland.stanford.edu
History Department
Stanford University
Stanford, CA 94305

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Splitting up s.c.b and debate on Uk.* groups going international, vo
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:09:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.104324.22424@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
>In article <R060TB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>
>>  Let's look at this seriously, and Guy, thanks for the motion of support.
>
>Oh my God...
>

No, don't worry - just give the little rascal some more things to
do.  We need a really NICE ballot, with graphics.  Maybe sound
as well.  Bar charts, pie charts, demographics, lists of credentials,
we NEED all this Dave.  Can you have something put together in a few
weeks?  




Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:16215 soc.culture.canada:8707 sci.research.careers:1509
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:32:02 EST
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada,sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Canadian free speech in action
 <92324.0401382893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <19NOV199217133507@sscvx1.ssc.gov>

The fact remains that you obsessively and compulsively use up bandwidth and
out patience with you pithy, mean-minded comments. You don't like Canada, fine,
don't take every opportunity to tell us, we really don't care.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british