From: czl30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: The demons are getting nervous
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:56:28 GMT
Reply-To: czl30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <9RNZXB1w165w@kalki33.lakes.trenton.sc.us> system@kalki33.lakes.trenton.sc.us (Kalki Dasa) writes:
>
>I just received an e-mail from Richard A. Schumacher. Although he made a
>public show of saying "goodbye" to me in a recent post on this
>newsgroup, he has apparently only "gone underground."
>
>Judging from the content of his unspeakably blasphemous letter, this is
>understandable. If I were he, I also would not want a lot of people to
>see the kind of things that letter contained.

I have no idea what Richard sent you, so I have no idea if it was
blasphemous or not. But if it was an angry reply to some of the
garbage you've sent here, like telling people that your ridiculous
chant is the best thing that has happened to their miserable lives,
then I can understand it.

>
>However, since the God he rages against lives in his own heart, this
>letter is already public knowledge in the ruling circles of the
>universe.

Raging against you for your dogmatic insistence on your own mythology
is not the same as raging against a god. If he does not believe in your
particular deity, then he cannot be raging against it. If he is christian,
jewish, moslem, shinto, atheist, etc then he does not believe in your god.

>
>It is characteristic of the unregenerate that they cannot long maintain
>peace of mind when constantly reminded of the presence of God and the
>necessity of surrendering to Him. Every time Schumacher and persons like
>him read my posts, they are reminded of this. It is natural, therefore,
>that such persons, hounded by the thought of the Lord, Whom they hate
>with all their hearts, eventually lose their carefully maintained
>pretense of decency and become like roaring beasts, fit only to be
>hunted and killed by other, stronger beasts.

People don't care what your god is. They don't believe in it, so to them
it is just a figment of your imagination. To put it another way, this
could be rephrased as:

It is characteristic of the unregenerate that they cannot long maintain
peace of mind when constantly reminded of the presence of Osiris and the
necessity of surrendering to Him. Every time Kalki Dosa and persons like
him read my posts, they are reminded of this. It is natural, therefore,
that such persons, hounded by the thought of Osiris, Whom they hate
with all their hearts, eventually lose their carefully maintained
pretense of decency and become like roaring beasts, fit only to be
hunted and killed by other, stronger beasts.

Does this make any sense to you? I thought not.
>
>What did I expect? The majority of the participants in this newsgroup
>follow a doctrine that places us all on the level of beasts. And the
>doctrines a man follows determine his actions and his fate.

What doctrine is that?

>
>Beast eats beast, but those who love God are never vanquished. Animal
>torments animal, but the Lord's devotees are always transcendental. This
>is the causeless mercy of God, and no one can understand it. It is known
>that God is impartial, that He neither favors nor hates anyone. However,
>it is also known that He is the protector of those who love Him and the
>annihilator of those who do not.

Bollocks.

>
>At the end of our present life, all-powerful Time appears before us in
>the form of the lord of death, Yamaraja. If we are devotees, if we have
>done our best to rekindle our forgotten relationship with the Lord, if
>we have glorified His name, if we have looked favorably on His service -
>if we have done these things then Yamaraja will not detain us.

More bollocks!

>
>But if we have not followed these simple rules, which are the trademark
>of all who are fit to be called "human" - if instead we have spent our
>lives as beasts, envying God and His servants, determined to destroy
>what we cannot exist without - if we have lived this way, then we will
>be taken by Yamaraja to a place just suited to the mentality of beasts,
>and there we will experience the full implementation of our own
>doctrines upon ourselves.

Still more bollocks!

>
>As Lord Krishna says in Bhagavad-Gita:
>
>        Bewildered by false ego, strength, pride, lust and anger, the
>        demons become envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who
>        is situated in their own bodies and in the bodies of others, and
>        blaspheme against the real religion.
>
>        Those who are envious and mischievous, who are the lowest among
>        men, I perpetually cast into the ocean of material existence,
>        into various demoniac species of life.
>
>        Attaining repeated birth amongst the species of demoniac life, O
>        son of Kunti, such persons can never approach Me. Gradually they
>        sink down to the most abominable type of existence.
>
>                                         (Bhagavad-Gita 16.18-20)

Why should we believe everything that the Bhagavad-Gita says?

I have worked with Christian, Hindu, Moslem, and Jewish scientists and
engineers, none of whom have any problem reconciling their religious
beliefs with the real world.

>
>Sincerely,

Not really....

>Kalki Dasa

Chris Lee