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Subject: Re: SOMALIA:US delays aid again!
From: Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos Omondi)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:40:35 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.

In article <1471700076@igc.apc.org> Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org> writes:
>
>Aug. 20, 1992, about 7 am Central Standard Time USA
>
>National Public Radio just reported that US aid flights into Somalia will
>be  "delayed because of looting."
>
>The radio interviewer talked with a director of the World Food Program. She
>asked him if negotations couldn't be carried on to let the food thru.  He
>said, well you can negotiate with the major groups, but almost everybody
>in Somalia has a gun.
>
>There was no mention of the fact that in a country where only  10% of
>the required food is present, there will of course be looting.
>
>There was no mention of the recommendations by aid workers that saturating
>the country with food is the only way to proceed.  No mention of the
>statement by Doctors Without Borders that "the food that is looted is
>not being hoarded, it is being eaten by whoever has it."
>
>In short, it's a return to the old policy stated by our State Dept's James
>Bolton--"an enduring ceasefire is essential before further actions can be
>taken"--  a policy denounced by the Christian antihunger group Bread for
>the World, who said, "Further delay can conceivably mean death and 
>destruction for a generation of people."
>
>See next post.  My original long post was lost in software; I'm splitting
>this one.
>


What purpose is served by this propaganda?  Once again during the hour 
of need our imperialist-bashing friends are nowhere to be seen, and it 
all boils down to what the USA is willing to do.  You might be 
interested to learn that the largest obstacle the relief flights have 
had to deal with lately is a "funny" Kenyan government; a meeting 
was needed between the US ambassador and the Kenyan president before 
the flights could continue.  There are your delays ...

As for the fighting, once again no one is looking ahead into the 
future.  Will Somalians grow food for next year?  Will there be 
enough people to?  Will they be able to do so with continual 
fighting?  Or will the situation b ethe same next year ...



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From: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Arrogance
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:41:40 GMT
Reply-To: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Followup-To: soc.culture.african
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

If Judy Mann had called me, I would have suggested that
multiculturalism is explicitly wrong, because it denies
the superiority of Western values as a way of life for
humans (in effect, setting up situational
ethics relativism for cultures).

-- Newt Gingrich
   Republican Whip
   U.S. Representative (R-Ga.)

   From a letter to the Washington Post Sept 2, 1992
From: hllhar01@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: sanet.talk.politics,soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Freedom of Expression
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:12:31 +0200
Organization: University of Cape Town

Laurie Butgereit writes:

> In article <1992Aug26.062750.1784@phyrql.ALT.ZA>, lucio@phyrql.ALT.ZA 
> (Lucio de Re) writes:
>> You want to bash a political party, reserve your
>> breath for those who _have_done_harm_, not for those who are attempting
>> to right a great many wrongs. They are not as politically skilled as
>> the nats, they may not have as good a grasp of modern political thinking,
>> but at the very least they are attempting to move forwards.
> 
> In many ways, the ANC does not want to move forwards - they just want
> to change places with the Nats.  The NP (pre-FW) and the ANC believe in
> many of the same things - big government, nationalised industries,
> exchange control, gun/arms control (especially for "others"), curbs
> on freedom of expression, ... the list is endless.
> 
> What South Africa needs is a whole new way of thinking about government -
> no just a change in overlords.

Yes, I'm afraid I always detect the lust for power driving ANC rhetoric about
majority rule and unity. The sad fact is that with all the changes in South
Africa, black politicians have suddenly realised that there's quite a large pie
out there for grabs, and I don't think their sincerety when talking about
political equality goes as far as their desire for a large slice. Cynical you
may say...nah, just realistic - its the same old pattern the world has seen
time after time. There are very few people in the world who really give a hoot
about justice - the quest for power drives politicians.

I agree with your statement about requiring a new way of thinking about
government - what South Africa needs is for a whole lot of commonly accepted
principles to be re-examined, carefully and objectively. For example, what
exactly is a democracy, and what type of democracy is best for this country?
It's also time the ANC got serious about minority rights - of course that means
that a realistic system of minority rights would have to be developed by the
NP, among others, which doesn't simply boil down to minority rule again.

Hardy Hulley


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From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS: KENYA: MOTHERS' IGNORANCE ACCOUNTS
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:35:10 GMT


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: antbh@strix.udac.uu.se (Bernhard Helander)
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS (25th)
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:47:43 GMT

Putting the blame on Boutros-Ghali does not seem a very productive way of going
about to solve the Somali dilemma. The latest issue of this obscure journal
contains the third in a row of articles that have expressed strange and
biased reports on Somalia. My understanding is that the journal has decided
to trust the information it receives from one of the warring factions in 
Somalia. Although I, too, believe that the UN should be blamed for having
acted to late the current secretary-general should bear no blame for that.
Readers are to be reminded that his initial requests for massive action
in Somalia was blocked by the US in the security council.

I strongly urge anyone in administrative charge of this newsgroups to remove
all future postings from "Islamic world news" on the grounds that it has nothing to do with neither Islam nor news.

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From: crawford@ENUXHB.EAS.ASU.EDU (Brian Crawford)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: How we can help Bosnia.
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:58:59 GMT

In article <1904.2A97D62C@catpe.alt.za> Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes) writes:

>Seems that US imperialism is alive and well.

Afraid so.

>How long before they recognize Quebec, Wales and Boputhatswana?

Then, there's the Republic of Texas .  .  .  >:)
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From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: IPS: CONGO: LISSOUBA APPEALS FOR NATIONA
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:52:31 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Originator: barnhart@gagme

Title: CONGO: LISSOUBA APPEALS FOR NATIONAL UNITY


brazzaville, aug 21 (ips) -- the newly elected prsedent of
congo, pascal lissouba thursday reaffirmed his wish to put in
place a government of national unity which would be favorable to
the development of the cenrtal african nation.

in his first speech following the announcement of his
election victory, lissouba said: ''my first conquest is those
who did not give me their vote. i ask them to enrich my
political programme so they can be the cement on which we build
this country through a broad-based government of national
unity.''

lissouba said the government of national unity would include
representatives from each of the nine regions of congo adding
that his intention was to improve national solidarity during his
five-year mandate as president.

''in a relatively short time from the beginning of my
programme the congolese will be able to perceive changes,'' he
promised, stressing that science and technology would be used to
modernise the country.

however, thursdays announcement of lissouba's victory sparked
scenes of looting in a brazzavile stronghold of bernard kokelas,
who lost to lissouba in sunday's election.

shops, belonging mainly to west africans were pillaged
by groups of dissapointed kokelas supporters, but the looting
quickly ceased when kokelas called on his partisans to be
calm and to respect democratic principles.

earlier, kokelas himself had said in an interview he had
filed a petition to the supreme court protesting against what he
described as ''generalised fraud'' during the election.

kokelas said he had proof of irregularities in a polling
station in the talangai district of brazzaville and another in
lekomou, the home area of lissouba.

throughout the election kokelas had been regarded as
something of a mystic because of his christian leanings while
his challenger advocated science and technology as the only way
to solve the economic problems of the country.

a date is still to be set for the inauguration of the new
president which according to the law should be preceded by the
swearing in of parliament no more than 35 days after the
election of the president. (end/ips/lo/tvh/oa/92)




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From: Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Language help needed for Botswana
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 12:14:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/22.5 - Novell User Group, Pretoria RSA

On <23 Aug 1992 20:32> andym@bvc.edu (5:7104/2) said to All :

 ae>I need to know how to say "welcome" in language of Botswana (I 
 ae>know that 
 ae>might not be the appropriate term, but....).  

Dumela rra (to an adult male)
Dumela mma (to an adult female)



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From: hllhar01@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics
Subject: Re: unity and other myths
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:05:22 +0200
Organization: University of Cape Town

In article <pieter.714948517@ford>, pieter@ford.ee.up.ac.za (Pieter Vermeulen) 
writes:
> lucio@phyrql.ALT.ZA (Lucio de Re) writes:
> 
>>I like our informed commentators. Do you, Hardy, feel alienated by a prayer
>>that pleads with God to bless Africa? Even the atheist in me has little to
>>groan about that. The racist in you, however, may well feel slighted that
> etc..
> 
> I don't know why, but I'm reminded of that scene in A CLockwork Orange
> where the main character has visions of having fun killing people
> while he is reading the Bible.... It is not about the song itself.

Yes, you're quite right...perhaps we should ban Beethoven's Ninth Symphony as
well as "Die Stem".
 
> My opinion is that Nkosi Sikilel i'Afrika just sounds a great deal better.

En jy noem jouself 'n Vermeulen...skaam jou!


Hardy Hulley


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics
From: brendt@dip1 (Brendt Wohlberg)
Subject: Re: unity and other myths
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 16:35:45 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

lucio@phyrql.ALT.ZA (Lucio de Re) writes:
: 
: Quite honestly, if _my_ freedom of speech (or _yours_) has to be curbed so
: that our descendants can attain real democracy, so be it. 

And what, pray tell, is *real democracy* without freedom of speech? 

: In fact I'll
: go so far as to help enforce these restrictions if I can be convinced
: of their (temporary) necessity. And don't bother to retort that once
: entrenched, curbs cannot be removed. The USSR and South Africa both are
: examples of toppled governments.

No doubt you think the seventy years or so of Soviet rule without freedom
of speech was a mere trifle, but people who suffered under the system, I'm 
sure, reserve the right to differ. I suggest you read Solzhenitsyn's 'The Gulag
Archipelago' for some stories of the abuses by the "democratic" Soviet
Government (where there were, of course,  excellent reasons for restricting
freedom of speech).

I'm not quite sure how you see South Africa as an example of a toppled 
government. Considering the trouble the ANC has had with banning orders and
other restrictions of free speech, one would hope that they are fully aware
of the dangers of such restrictions. 

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From: vamg6792@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mpthirus)
Subject: UPI: EC delegation arrives in South Africa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:30:07 GMT



	JOHANNESBURG, South Africa (UPI) -- A European Community delegation
headed by three foreign ministers arrived Wednesday on a three-day fact-
finding visit with a pledge ``to make suggestions as friends.''
	British Foreign Secretary Douglas Hurd said upon arrival at
Johannesburg's Jan Smuts airport that the EC delegation hoped to help
the country by getting negotiations restarted after the African National
Congress called off peace talks with the government.
	The talks were canceled following the June 17 massacre of 45 people
in the black township of Boipatong, south of Johannesburg.
	Hurd, accompanied by Portugal's secretary of state for cooperation,
Jose Barroso, and Denmark's Foreign Minister Uffe Ellemann-Jensen, said
they also would discuss the possibility of sending EC observers to South
Africa.
	Hurd told a news conference at the airport that the EC was concerned
by the violence in South Africa, but said violence was one of many
problems the country faced, and one that would have to be solved by
South Africans.
	``It's not for Europeans to come and bang people's heads together in
South Africa or in Africa,'' Hurd said in reply to a question on whether
they would try to get the ANC and the government back to the negotiating
table.
	``We are here as friends and to make suggestions as friends,'' he
said.
	Hurd also said he felt huge progress already had been made in the
country.
	The three delegates expected to meet President Frederik de Klerk and
ANC President Nelson Mandela, as well as Inkatha Freedom Party leader
Mangosuthu Buthelezi.
	De Klerk said Wednesday he was confident multi-party negotiations
would resume fairly soon.
	``I can confidently say I have reason to believe that within a
reasonable time multi-party negotiations will be on track again,'' de
Klerk said in an address to the Orange Free State region's National
Party congress.
	``Progress is being made on a bilateral basis between the government
and the ANC and I am hopeful that this process will result in the
breaking of deadlocks,'' he said.
From: vamg6792@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mpthirus)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: UPI: Three die in South African train attack as mob rampages through
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:18:52 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana



	JOHANNESBURG, South Africa (UPI) -- Three people were killed and at
least seven injured when a mob rampaged through a commuter train
Wednesday, shooting and hacking passengers, police said.
	``A group of between 25 and 30 young men, who according to
eyewitnesses had been singing freedom songs, attacked train commuters,
causing panic-stricken passengers to jump from the moving train,''
police spokeswoman Capt. Ida van Zweel said in a telephone interview.
	African National Congress spokesman Ronnie Mamoepa rejected van
Zweel's statement as anti-ANC propaganda and warned his organization
would consider calling for another boycott of commuter trains if police
failed to stop the attacks.
	In May, residents from black townships surrounding Johannesburg
boycotted commuter trains to protest the inability of police to prevent
attacks which had claimed hundreds of lives.
	The residents agreed to resume commuting by rail after police agreed
May 14 to increase their policing of the trains, stations and railway
lines.
	Anti-apartheid activists claimed the train attackers were right-wing
members of the security forces who were using violence to derail pro-
democracy reforms, while police said the attacks stemmed from rivalry
between black liberation movements.
	It was also suggested township taxi owners were orchestrating the
attacks in an attempt to force commuters to use taxis instead of trains.
	The latest attack occurred Wednesday morning while commuters were
traveling along a railway line which links Johannesburg to smaller towns
on its eastern border, van Zweel said.
	The dead and two of the wounded had been shot at close range, she
said, adding the other injured had been attacked with knives and long
blades.
	Some of the injured fractured bones when they escaped from their
attackers by jumping from the moving train.
	The attack followed only hours after three gunmen wounded five
commuters Tuesday night as a train pulled away from a central
Johannesburg station. Three more people were injured in the ensuing
panic to escape the gunmen.
From: gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics,apc.reg.safrica
Subject: Re: The ANC and the SACP
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:34:49 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:
: Its funny, I've met quite a few ANC members, and most of them were
: White or Coloured.  None of them ever expressed the slightest interest
: in promoting Xhosa interests, and some of them were in positions of
: leadership.  

The people you've met. It'll look good in your autobiography,
but it tells us nothing about the ANC. They have close to zero
white support, 20% coloured, 10-20% Indian, and the rest black.
Domination of the Nat Exec by Xhosas is easy to establish - get a list
and work through them. Historical domination and *disproportionate*
Xhosa support is just as easy to establish. Moreover, it's common
cause in SA politics.
 
: As far as the violence on the Reef is concerned, that's about as much
: evidence of the ANC's position on Xhosa domination of South Africa as
: Kristalnacht was of the World Jewish Congress's position on domination
: of the international banking system.

Nobody claimed they had a position on Xhosa domination of SA, merely
that they are themselves Xhosa dominated and are seen as such on the 
ground on the Reef. That perception doesn't create the domination
(which is independently established), it just adds an extra dimension.
politicising the domination. Even if there was no domination, the
perception that there is (in the context) makes ethnicity an issue -
conflict becomes ethnic. It is now unquestionably ethnic.
 
: The violence on reef is ethnic for one primary reason:  Buthelezi has
: a vested interest in promoting Zulu-Xhosa emnity, and takes every
: opportunity to do so.  Without that emnity, he'd have no rallying cry
: to motivate his thugs.
: 
: Buthelezi's rhetoric about Xhosas is about as based in reality as
: Hitler's attacks on Jewish bankers.

Buthelezi may be stupid, but he's never publically attacked Xhosas, or
made Xhosas an issue (although he makes Zulu ethnicity an issue). This
looks like pure fantasy. It also tries to explain away and trivialize
a serious problem, by demonizing someone instead, making him the
"agitator" and the "opstoker", when of course the conflict is way
beyond that kind of control. A conspiracy theory, ironically closer by far
to the Nazi conspiracy theories about the REAL Jewish force behind 
everyone's mishaps, cunning and evil bankers etc etc.

Gavan Tredoux
UCT
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From: nguyen@drutx.ATT.COM (Christopher Chu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.filipino,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: [SOC] Group beating death of a young college student because of racial difference
Keywords: Group beating death of a young college student because of racial difference
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:50:24 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Denver, Colorado

Dear Netters,

I just recent heard this shocking news from USENET soc.culture.vietnamese
newsgroup.

This is for sure much more fundamentally barbaric than the case of Rodney
King that has raised the Amererican National Headlines: it was group of
young poeple mostly college students who beat a 19-year old Vietnamese
student to death because of racial difference, in a college party, Coral
Springs, Florida.

It's so hard to believe there are still running-loose killers who are
wearing student clothes in our college, but this is definitely true.

Please read below if you have time. I want to share this information because
I think it will help all of us in teaching and watching out for our children
about subjects that concern racial issues.

Sincerely Yours,
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