HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mrmuon@next05pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: RE: "TOMB" ON KERA 13 AUG
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:20:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.161914.9516@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>  
aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White) writes:
> It would be easier to do that with the Davison stories though 
> because he only had 20 complete stories (19 if you dont count
> "The Five Doctors" which was a special and therefore is not
> considered part of the Davison package by Lionheart). Of those
> 20 stories, none were longer than 4 parts & two of them were 2
> part stories. Compare that to Tom Baker who had more than twice
> as many stories (41). Only one of his stories was a 2 parter &
> he also had 5 six part stories. If they were to double up, then
> it would still take almost half a year to run all of the stories
> and every time a six parter came up, they'd be broadcasting
> Doctor Who for close to 4 hours straight (now there's an idea).

As I recall Lionheart sells the 4th Doctor stories in two pieces, which I  
think are "Robot"-"the Invasion of Time" and "the Ribos  
Operation"-"Logopolis". So a station that is showing Tom Baker episodes  
hasn't neccessarily bought all of them.
From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: ActorWatch
Date: 2 Sep 1992 16:36:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, steven.k.manfred@UWRF.EDU () says:

>
>
>Just in case anyone's interested, I spotted two actors who were once
>guest stars on "Doctor Who" in the two-part CBS mini-series of
>"Jack the Ripper" which concluded tonight.
>
>One was T.P. McKenna.  In "Doctor Who" he played Captain Cook in 
>	"The Greatest Show in the Galaxy."
>	In this movie he played the senior editor of the newspaper
>	we spend most time with (that's covering the murders)
>

T.P. McKenna also played the part of either an ambassador or president
of a planet in the Blake's 7 episode "Assassin".

-- 
Bill White, aa634@Cleveland.freenet.edu OR aa037@Medina.Freenet.edu
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                  Science Fiction and Fantasy Sig
From: jogulin@zen.fia.dmg.ml.com (Joseph Ogulin)
Subject: Re: Long live Sylvester McCoy
Organization: The Rift from Here to There
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:18:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.012819.1908@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug28.133443.14412@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:
|> >I didn't think "The Gunfighters" was >that< bad, although the British 
|> >accents on cowboys was pretty abysmal.  The one story I can't stand
|> >is "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy."  
|> I simply *have* to say something about this!
|> You prefer The Gunfighters to The Greatest Show in the Galaxy?
|> Greatest SHow is to me one of Sylvester's best stories, and his personal
|> favorite as well.  It has such a surreal atmosphere to it I simply
|> must adore it, and is possibly the only reason I didn't synopsis it,
|> because I feel reluctant to attempt to reproduce the same atmosphere
|> via text, since it was such a cinematographic story.  

Come on... the best part about this story is that it's a parody of
DW fandom as seen by the Beeb.  (Now I *HAVE* to dig up my review and post
it... unfortunately, some of the files on pc disks have been corrupted...
I'm in the process of contacting folx)

Yo, Gary... if you read this, post the nroff'ed versions, if you have them.

-- 
==> "You never f**king know the answer when it's important." --The Doctor <==
Joe Ogulin

jogulin@camelot.fia.dmg.ml.com		joe@monroe.pilot.dmg.ml.com
jogulin@apollo.stevens-tech.edu		gcs_jogulin@stevens.bitnet

Disclaimer:  The above article is solely my opinion and does not necessar-
ily reflect that of my employer.  The content is my responsibility alone.
From: steven.k.manfred@UWRF.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: AAAARRRRGHHH!!!   Back to Square One!
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:50:53 GMT


This is when you get that sinking feeling.....

Remember how I said I would repost all my synopses tonight?
And remember all that anziety and grief I went through earlier in the
summer trying to get copies for myself?
Well, in the process of trying to send all those files to the net tonight
I seem to have inadvertantly destroyed them.  

So, if anyone has copies of my synopses to The Curse of Fenric,
Remembrance of the Daleks (which I didn't have in the first place),
Battlefield, or Survival, please send me an email copy!
(I still have Ghost Light safe and sound).

					Steve
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: An idea for the return of our favouring show
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 06:25:23 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

I though of something nostalgic.  When the show does return, why not a trial
run of 3 seasons of 48 25-minutes episodes.
The show is now popular and when returned, merchandise sales should increase in
volume.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
cowboy (n): A 20th Century extension of  the neanderthal caveman.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: czei@musclefish.com (Michael Czeiszperger)
Subject: Doctor Who After Dark Module
Organization: Muscle Fish
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:21:26 GMT


I uploaded to comp.binaries.mac an animation of the Tardis arriving,
in PICS format.  After Dark's PICS module will read the animation,
so that when your screen saver takes over, the Tardis will appear
on your screen, and then dissappear.

Enjoy,

Michael
From: flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M Armitage)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Is one of the Doctors ILL?????
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:03:47 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

Hellow, 

I was reading this group several weeks ago and a thread had started that
oneof the Doctors was ill, I don't recall which one, But I was wondering
what happened, I haven't seen a post since, and I read this group
regularly, like several times a day :)

If anyone has any inf, please forward it!!!

*****************************************************************************
*       Spiritus Sanctus Anno Mundi:  Can you see me, are you near me?      *
* Can you hear me crying out for life?  Can you tell me, where's the glory? *
*     BLACK         **********************************      SABBATH         *
*******************  flar@iastate.edu (Brad Armitage)  **********************
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: bv925@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert J. Corrigan)
Subject: Ghost Light Question
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 05:17:58 GMT


Since Ghost Light was the last story filmed (so I gather from
the serial number), what was the very final scene the cast and
crew filmed? Did they know even then that they weren't coming back?

Just curious,
Robert.

-- 
Ace Quote O' The Week:
	"You're just an aging hippie, Professor."
(Sylvester McCoy was a hippie in the sixties)
	From Doctor Who, "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy."
From: mrmuon@next09pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Hartnell-Troughton Regeneration Sequence
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:14:45 GMT
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Aug28.172009.20518@udel.edu> duzan@titan.cis.udel.edu  
(Gary D. Duzan) writes:
>    Also, if I remember correctly, the change was accompanied by the  
TARDIS
> materialization (materialisation?) sound effects.

As I understand it clip of this survived only without sound, on the  
"Troughton Years" tape they filled in the absence of sound with the TARDIS  
sound effect. I don't think this was in the original because, for one  
thing, the Doctor probably couldn't regenerate and operate the  
dematerialization control at the same time.
From: sdh5@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott D. Hurley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: ALL OUR TOMORROWS:  The Doctor and Causality
Date: 3 Sep 1992 16:05:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


All right, we've seen the Doctor romp around Existence, changing
and creating both the past and the future, but he never seems to
have to answer for it.  He survives paradoxes that would snarl
even Schroedinger's Cat, there are hints that he's even
interfered with Gallifreyan history and gotten away with it, he's
obliterated the Daleks TWICE (The first time he met them and in
Remembrance), he's interfered with the course of his own future
and another's past (Consider the implications of 'Silver Nemesis'
and 'Battlefield', he's met himself from different periods a 
number of times--yet NEVER recalls the incident from a previous
incarnation when he encounters the situation again, although he
clearly remembers it because he makes references to it (a la 
'The Five Doctors'), and, most importantly, has interfered with
the very fabric of existence (In Logopolis, when the 'weave' of
the Cosmos quite literally 'unraveled', everything that was in
the area of effect became as though it never was! [With Nyssa
surviving the annihilation of her reality only because she was
'outside' Existence, and was therefore immune to its effects]).

From all this the question arises--HOW THE HELL DOES THE DOCTOR
AVOID BEING 'REWRITTEN' OR 'ERASED' BY HIS OWN ACTIONS, AND WHY
OH WHY DON'T THE TIME LORDS OR THE GUARDIANS STOP HI?!!!!!!

Please confine all responses to this board.

Scott D. Hurley
-- 
Though it will take me to Forever's Rim,
I sail through the reaches of Time's Twilight Dim.
Questing for Knowledge, on Night's Darkest Sea,
Bound for those shores enshrouded by Mystery.  --Thaliaer's Oath
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres)
Subject: Re: Dr Who film reported official!
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:29:18 GMT

Actually, how about Kevin Kline as the Doctor?  Hmmm.  I'd like to see a doctor
that is perhaps in between Tom Baker and Colin Baker.  Both were 
extraordinary in my opinion!
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: The Literary Canon
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:55:14 GMT

Michelle Manes writes:

	But now this is getting complicated.  I'm not an anthropologist
	(no, really Michelle?  you seem so knowledgable...), but
	I would assume Mexicans are also Caucasian.  So they don't
	count for minority representation in the literary canon?
	But they count for minority representation in just about
	every other sphere of American life?  

Dear, dear Michelle. No sooner do you manage to extract one foot from your
mouth than you manage to begin chewing on the other little rascal. I can
imagine no country more racially mixed than Mexico. I suppose there are
some True Blue Spaniards locked up there somewhere, but for the most part
they seem like a very decent mix of Spanish and American Indian. To get
literary for a moment. Have you read any of the poems of Juana de Asbaje
y Rodrigues? Aka Sor Ines de la Crus? Her given name translates to "Jane,
bastard daughter of Asbaje, the Indian girl, and Rodrigues, the Spanish 
soldier."

		Rosa que al prado, encarnada,
		te ostentas presuntuosa
		de grana y carmin ban~ada:
		campa lozana y gustosa:
		pero no, que siendo hermosa
		tambien seras desdichada.

This is, perhaps, the most famous of her poems, having been adopted by Eco
as the heading to his opening paragraph "Il titolo e il senso"
to his "Postille a "Il nome della rosa"".

							Fido
From: barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Literary Canon
Date: 30 Aug 92 15:26:13 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

In article <1992Aug30.021559.7950@micor.ocunix.on.ca> ve3pak@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Alayne McGregor and Brett Delmage) writes:
>I am sure the women of Elizabethan times could compare their brains
>to their brothers' and their opportunities to their brothers', just as
>well as we could. They may have been socialized to think themselves
>unfit to be other than mothers -- but I suspect many of them would have
>looked at the women with high and powerful positions in the kingdom
>(and not just the Queen) and had some doubts in the matter.

Our Shakespeare prof told us that the position of women in society was a 
hot topic during the Renaissance, with Elizabeth being queen.  There were
still homilies that preached that women should be submissive, meek, chaste,
and so on, too, but there was a lot of debate apparently about women's roles
and abilities.

-- 
Barclay Elizabeth Blanchard    barclay@rail9000@gatech.edu
"I've been laughed at by some of the funniest people."
--Lissie, Alice Walker's _The Temple of My Familiar_
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Literary Canon
Keywords: race canon
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:24:16 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <67525@hydra.gatech.EDU>, barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard) writes:
> In article <12084@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> >Why are liberals so dense?  I was giving an example of how I might
> >describe a mythical driver in a hit-and-run accident.  Yes, most
> >Turks I know are rather heavy.  So are most Americans I know of
> >German ancestry (including me).  I was giving a description such as
> >you might give to a police officer.  If I had said, thin, you would
> >have attacked me for that.  If I had said, "average build" I would
> >be criticized for that.
> 
> I'm getting damned tired of your insulting blanket generalizations about 
> liberals.  Besides that, you sound paranoid.
> 
> Barclay Elizabeth Blanchard    barclay@rail9000@gatech.edu

I go to Sonoma State University -- where liberals have us read
papers arguing that freedom of the press should only exist as
long as it serves the public interest -- and expect us to buy 
this crap.

I live in California -- where liberals are responsible for the
absurd situation where victimless crimes are punished more
severely than rape and robbery.

I post to rec.arts.books, where liberals attempt to defend the
position that the ancient Greeks weren't white, and engage in
continual assertions that I am racist with no reason whatsoever,
other than my assertion that race shouldn't be an issue.

Why am I paranoid?
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,soc.culture.british
From: silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva)
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:38:45 GMT

In article <NICKH.92Sep3104858@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU> nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes:
[Haines, in reference to Newsweek, Time, possibly inclusive of The Economist]
>Like I said, drool-proof. Aimed at the _average_ 13-year-old, who
>can't form sentences of more than 10 words, or read sentences of more
>than 15, and would rather be playing Nintendo but will sit still if
>you give him glossy colour pictures. The Economist is genuinely better
>(though still terribly simplistic); there are very few news magazines
>aimed at the genuinely educated.
>
>In fact, are there any?
>
	Nick, I've just returned from a job interview at a mine in central
Nevada. They put me up at a small, local motel which had three issues of
the Atlantic Monthly lying on the lobby coffee table, together with an 
assortment of Businessweeks, and Sports Illustrateds. If I can manage
to find a readable, informative magazine like the Atlantic Monthly lying
on a coffee table in a small, mining town motel in East Bumfuck, Nevada
you should by now have managed to aquire a few subscriptions to readable, 
informative publications at Carnegie-Mellon. Even if you have to rely on
their extensive libraries. The material is out there and available to you,
if you'd trouble to turn off your computer and walk to it.
	Among American publications, both the New Republic and the Atlantic 
Monthly fit the 'stringent' qualifications you seem to require. They both
target a highly educated, mildly left-of-center audience. And if I can
receive subscriptions to them in Nevada mining camps, you should be able
to find them somewhere in a Midwestern university city.


--
======================================================================
|| Holly Silva			I have nothing terribly clever to say||
|| Applied Earth Sciences	today.  You're in luck.		     ||
|| Stanford University						     ||
From: wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Sea Stories (was: Patrick O'Brian vs Horatio Hornblower...)
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:57:39 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

John Nall writes:
	
	  BTW, this thread awoke in me a great longing to read some more
	  good sea stories.  Anyone got any suggestions?



"Wreck of the _Mary Deare_",  "The Cruel Sea" by Nicholas Monserrat,
"Sink the _Bismark_" by C.S. Forester.


Ask Francis the Sailor Man.


BTW, my favorite bookstore, Powell's in Portland, now has a section of
Sea Stories to complement their Western, Science Fiction, Popular, Mystery,
True Crime, Horror and Romance sections.


William Sburgfort Smith
Intel, SSD
From: nall@sun8.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Patrick O'Brien vs Horatio Hornblower...
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:37:22 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.books
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

Someone recently posted a note here on r.a.b. to the effect
that the Patrick O'Brien books are really good, and that they
compare very favorably with the Horatio Hornblower series.

Being a devoted Hornblower fan, (as a boy, I used to read the
stories when they were serialized in the Saturday Evening Post,
and could hardly stand waiting each week to find out what would
happen next :-) ), I immediately rushed down to the local Public
Library and found three books on the shelf by O'Brien.  Pictures
of sailing ships and such on the cover.  Oh, boy! Couldn't wait!

Well.....I was sadly disappointed :-( to say the least.  Obviously
likes and dislikes with reference to books are highly subjective,
but I thought that the O'Brien books were not even in the same
ballback as the Hornblower series with regard to fast-moving action,
vivid descriptions of life at sea, etc., etc.

Why am I posting this?  Hell, I don't know.  Seems like I should
tell *someone* what I thought about it.  But it does seem like a
pretty mundane thing to say, when compared to life, death, canons,
atheism, and other burning issues :-)  Perhaps we should just go
ahead and set up an r.a.b.high_brow and r.a.b.low_brow?

John

--
John W. Nall              | Supercomputer Computations Research Institute
nall@mailer.scri.fsu.edu  | Florida State University, Tallahassee, FL 32306
  "Older women, make beautiful lovers - older women, they understand..."
    (song heard on radio, driving, one rainy night in Mississippi)
From: matt@physics16.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Life's too short. Was: 1930s Science Fiction
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:17:33
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group)
Reply-To: matt@physics.berkeley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics16.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: fehr@ms.uky.edu's message of Mon, 24 Aug 1992 19:18:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.151850.4157@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:

> I've tried for almost 12 seconds to come up with a broader umbrella for
> science fiction than man's relationship to science and can't. Please
> enlighten me. 
	
I can't either; that doesn't bother me very much.  I've never felt
that I needed a definition of science fiction in order to read and
enjoy it.  I also am unable to define "physics" (something else of
great importance in my life), and, for that matter, as Wittgenstein
showed, I am unable to define "game."  Why this insistence on a
definition?

About the best I can do is to say that "man's relationship to science"
is not an adequate characterization of most of the science fiction
that I read.  The only good response to this is "Here is a science
fiction book that cannot be described this way; go and read it."  I
could give names of such science fiction books, but if you're not
going to read them anyway, why should I bother?

> Take a work like "Blade Runner"  -- not a book, but from comments I've
> read, it influenced Tom Maddox's friend William Gibson to write _Neuromancer_
> which I will not comment upon -- it is science fiction, yes? And fairly
> new. Well, how does it advance the art beyond _Frankenstein_?

To me, at least, it seems obvious that the movie _Blade Runner_ is
substantially different from the book _Frankenstein_.  In fact, about
the only similarity I can find is that both involve artificial people
who turn on their creators.  (And, I might add: this is a very rare
plot device in modern science fiction.)  I see much more similarity
between _Frankenstein_ and _Faust_ then I do between _Frankenstein_
and _Blade Runner_.

And, since we're supposed to be talking about books in this newsgroup,
I might add that there is even less similarity between _Frankenstein_
and _Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep_ (the novel that _Blade
Runner_ was loosely based on) than between _Frankenstein_ and _Blade
Runner_.  I find it very difficult to imagine someone who could
honestly see no difference between _Frankenstein_ and _Do Androids
Dream of Electric Sheep_.
--
Matthew Austern                   Just keep yelling until you attract a
(510) 644-2618                    crowd, then a constituency, a movement, a
austern@lbl.bitnet                faction, an army!  If you don't have any
matt@physics.berkeley.edu         solutions, become a part of the problem!
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Art History
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:00:33 GMT

Bill Spurlock writes:

	Can someone tell me the word that is used to describe the history 
	behind a  specific work of art.  It usually refers to the artist or 
	subsequent  owners of a given work of art. I think it is a French 
	word.

Provenance.

							Fido
From: jzimm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Joann Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Why I read the Economist
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:13:46 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <9209011543.AA12348@cfdev1.shearson.com> mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes:

>Francis Muir writes:
[stuff, to which Mark takes exception]

>To think that I've been accused of being pompous, when the very definition
>of the word is living out in Palo Alto.

I'm having trouble parsing this; does it refer to Francis in
particular, or to residents of Palo Alto in general? I'm rather
worried because I must confess to having lived there for over seven
years, before I seen the light. My own take on residents of P.A. is
"self-satisfied," not "pompous" - and I can plead guilty as charged to
that one on occasion. But also civically-satisfied - and to see why,
just look at the PaloAlto/MenloPark section of the San Francisco
Bookstore list!


-- 
"[Fiction's] function is not to detail the actual world, but to create
a parallel one. Image by image, phrase by phrase, through artifice and
evocation it must then make that world at once credible and meaningful."
-- Robert Stone               ...!cs.utexas.edu!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu!jzimm