HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg)
Subject: Re: Boston Computer Society shows Falcon 030
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 13:44:58 GMT

peters@allvax.enet.dec.com (Don Peters TAY1-1/D7 DTN 227-3173  25-Sep-1992 1509) writes:

>Steven Selick did an excellent job of reporting on the introduction of the
>Falcon 030 at the recent meeting of the Boston Computer Society. I was also
>there, and have a few additional comments.

>   <....>

>  - speedwise, the Falcon is equivalent to a 25-30Mhz 386 machine

  Yeah, right. Running in what screen mode? Not when in 16-bit mode I'm
sure. BTW, does anyone have a table saying how much the Falcon slows
down in the various video modes? That would be interesting reading
indeed.

>  - a 19.2K bps modem is now being implemented for the Falcon
       ^^^^^
  What standard? There is no 19.2Kbps standard yet! It may be good
for connecting two Falcons but no more.

>  - voice mail (from a NeXT programmer) and video phone applications
>    "are coming"

  ... Next century?

>  - in many respects the Falcon is more powerful than the Video Toaster,
>    containing 98% of its functionality. The cost of the Falcon plus
>    any associated software/hardware will be less in cost than the
>    Video Toaster itself.

  You got to be kidding! Whoever said that should get a clue. There's no
way a puny little Falcon can pull off the tricks the Toaster can. Wake
up and get a grip on reality.
--
Stefan Boberg - AP & EE student at Linkoping Institute of Technology, Sweden
 Author of LhA, ArjA and LhArcA. Co-author of Alien Breed, Project X ...
  EMail: boberg@lysator.liu.se, lha@augs.se           FIDO: 2:204/404.7
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: humphrie@wam.umd.edu (James B. Humphries)
Subject: Falcon 040 / Windowing UNIX
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:01:44 GMT

markjl mentioned something a while back about the 040 getting "full blown
windowed UNIX".  Does anyone else have any info/rumor reports about UNIX?

The last thing I heard about windowing UNIX was depressing.  In one of those
online confs. with one atari gurus it was stated that atari would NOT be
working on getting X or anything like it working on the FALCON.


I'm addicted to X windows and I can't see buying such a snappy machine if it
won't support the OS/GUI I like.


any info is appreciated, EMAIL me!
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From: glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Use 3D Chopper Glasses on your ST once again
Date: 2 Oct 1992 07:59:08 -0500
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: falcon.natinst.com

	I have just uploaded chop.arc to the New directory on
atari.archive.umich.edu.  It lets you use the SEGA glasses with the RS-232
interface (like they do on the PC) with old software which supports the
StereoTek glasses.  I did it because the StereoTek glasses are no longer
available.  I also recommend taking a look at molecule.arc, it works really
well with chop.arc and the SEGA glasses.

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From: wabe@ukc.ac.uk (W.A.B.Evans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Latest Uniterm
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:41:52 GMT
Reply-To: wabe@ukc.ac.uk (W.A.B.Evans)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1ambv4INNduv@golem.wcc.govt.nz> sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>In article <1992Oct3.221549.6559@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, boyd@shmop.cs.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd) writes:
>>If memory serves, Simon Poole made a minor update to Uniterm 2.0e011 about 
>>a year ago, and posted an ftp site from which it can be snatched.  Could 
>>someone please EMAIL me the answer to the following:
>>	1.  Is /atari/Telecomm/uniterm.zoo this final version?
>>	2.  What was the ftp site specifed by S. Poole?
>>Thanks in advance.
>
>This is what was posted....!!!!
>
>Subject: Slightly updated version of UniTerm available
>From: poole@chsun.chuug.ch (Simon Poole)
>Date: 27 Feb 92 17:02:37 GMT
>
>
>A slightly updated version of UniTerm is available from
>
>        chsun.chuug.ch
>
>Directory
>
>        /archive/software/atari/UniTerm
>
>there's a tar'ed and compressed version of the distribution and a
>unpacked version. (Please read the README in the directory -first-.)
>
>-- 
>CHUUG/EUnet Switzerland                         Simon Poole
>Zweierstrasse 35        Tel: +41 1 291 45 80
>CH-8004 Zuerich         Fax: +41 1 291 46 42    poole@chuug.ch

	Just a comment - I downloaded this latest Uniterm(e15) from the
above archive. I was however dismayed to find that there appears to
be a (minor) bug in tis "default" buffer allocations i.e. what you get
if you have not saved a UNITERM.SET. Moreover this is nasty in the sense
that it can "hang-up" Uniterm in a way that nothing short of a "warm
boot" can get you out - or at least so it seemed to me.

	Augmenting one of the buffer sizes cures this - but I have to
admit I'm back using Version e11. Apparently Versions e12-14 were lost
in a massive hard disk crash on Simon Poole's computer some long while
ago!.

						W. Alan B. Evans
						[ wabe@ukc.ac.uk ]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: annius@sif.research.ptt.nl (Annius Groenink)
Subject: Re: TeXDraw - new developer sought
Keywords: tex, graphics, modula
Organization: PTT Research
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:01:57 GMT

lynbech@daimi.aau.dk (Christian Lynbech) writes:

>kruel@wpcst1.phys-chemie.uni-wuerzburg.dbp.de (Thomas-Martin Kruel) writes:

>>Dear netters,

>>the author of TeXDraw, Jens Pirnay, has stopped the development of his 
>>program since he has changed the system.

>>If there are interested programmers, they should contact the author 
>>himself:

>>   Jens Pirnay,
>>   Mail:   jens.pirnay@rphs1.physik.uni-regensburg.de,
>>           pirnay@vax1.rz.uni-regensburg.dbp.de
>>   Fido:   Jens Pirnay (2:246/124.5)
>>   Maus:   Jens Pirnay @ R


>How about just releasing the sources to the general public. There sure
>would be some hackers out there ready to improve the program. Also,
>most PD development happens on a need-to basis. 

Not a good idea for a large GEM program.

>If I use a program regularly and find it is missing some feature, I'm
>always ready to pull out my trusty compiler and hack at it myself.
>This is one reason why I try to stick to programs with available
>sources.

Someone should take the project over who has the motivation and time
to make something nice out of it. If you think you can do that, write
to Jens. There's one thing I would like to have in TeXdraw:

  What I think is a useful feature is that you can give a certain
  point in the plane a name, say, A. Then when you move that point,
  all objects that use that point will be (partially) moved. This
  is VERY convenient when you're designing graphs. (i.e. when you
  move a node all arrows from/to it will move as well.) Once the image
  has been converted to TeX this is a trivial matter, but it should
  already be possible in TeXdraw.


>Consider the net a large pool of highly competent programmers, and
>release the stuff to us, the public.

I don't REALLY believe this. The way Jens tried it by asking for
someONE on the news was a good idea. I don't have the time, but
I'd love to work on TeXdraw if I had the time (first thing: convert
the sources to C).




-- 
Annius Victor Groenink-- undergraduate student Mathematics and Computer Science
at the university of Utrecht, Netherland.  Working at PTT Research Leidschendam
for Sept-Dec. 1992. Laan van Borgele 24, 7415 DJ Deventer, phone +31 5700 29396
or +31 70 33 25445;   e-mail A.V.Groenink@research.ptt.nl or avgroeni@cs.ruu.nl
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 1992 20:04:06 -0400 
From: Stefan Monnier <osoelgaultier+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: comp.sys.atari.falcon
	<A49384@MS.maus.de>

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 5-Oct-92 Re:
comp.sys.atari.falcon Julian Reschke@ms.maus.d (276)

> Markus Wenzel (wenzel@marsu.tynet.sub.org) wrote:
> >Then I'd like to have two further groups separated from c.s.a.s:
> >comp.sys.atari.TT
> >comp.sys.atari.spectre

> I'd prefer a more systematic approach:

> comp.sys.atari.hardware.{st|tt|falcon}
> comp.sys.atari.os.{mint|gem|spectre}


This seems more natural: good point !

	Stefan

PS: anyway, c.s.a.s turns actually a bit under 100 messages a day:
it seems manageable to me !

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: Re: Is there an auto prg to merge midi out with a thru?
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:27:56 GMT

plate@cdsmn.mn.org (Doug Plate) writes:


>So, to implement a true OUT and THRU using 1 male DIN and 2 female DIN:
[... very clear posting deleted ... :) ]

Thanks for the clear explanation!


--
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  |   hjv@phil.ruu.nl   |   You look for your dreams in
Dept. of Philosophy   |                     |   heaven, but what the hell are
University of Utrecht |                     |   you supposed to do when they
The Netherlands       |                     |   come true...?
From: wmtwen@rw8.urc.tue.nl (Erlend Nagel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: CAD programs
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:18:31 GMT
Reply-To: wmtwen@urc.tue.nl

cummins@a.cs.okstate.edu (CUMMINS JOHN WILLI) writes:

>>told me he used a program named NP2 on an atari (I didn't even know he
>Okay.... who markets this Wonder Software?  Me 'n some other's would Love to
>hear of its availabilty!!!!
I asked, but could not get the address of the firm yet. But it is from
Germany that much I found out. When I hear the address I will post it ,
with price info if I can get my hands on that.
What the program does is basically:
design an electronic scheme with all the components and their
connections and then it can also generate layouts from that and some
more things but as I am not a user of this program I cannot tell you
anything more.

Erlend.
From: trimble@titan.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Gary Trimble)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: For Sale...
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:06:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: enterpri.1992Sep28.150644.20793
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.

For Sale:

Atari 520ST with battery clock enhancement
Double-sided disk drive
SC1224 Color Monitor
SX212 Modem
20MB Hard Disk Drive with BMS Controller
HP ThinkJet Printer with stand
(all cables, etc...)

MWC C Compiler
Approximately 75 disks with shareware, games, utilities, etc...


all for $450.

Email me at trimble@lams.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com or phone @ (408)742-7596.
From: claes@sparc2.ikb.uni-essen.de (Heinz-Josef Claes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: FAX-Software for ZyXEL and AtariST
Keywords: FAX ZyXEL AtariST
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:53:35 GMT
Organization: University of Essen, Germany



Does anybody know of FAX-Software for the combination of ZyXEL and AtariST?


claes@sparc2.ikb.uni-essen.de
From: wmtwen@rw8.urc.tue.nl (Erlend Nagel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: TOS upgrade advice/help needed :^)
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:21:17 GMT
Reply-To: wmtwen@urc.tue.nl

Hi,

considering all these mervellous hardware expansions that have become
available for the Atari St during the years, I was wondering if there
is something available like this:
a small print with about three sockets that is connected via a
flatcable to a print that fits into the 68000 socket on top of which
again the 68000 is fitted.
This would remove the need to solder all these expansions on top of the
68000, which I think would be a scary job (soldering the 68000...)
Also I and other ST users with the same motherboard as I have (well at
least with the same design) could use more than one upgrade.
If I install a Maxon pixelwonder I am afraid I won't have the room for
the TOS 2.06 extension. This board with the sockets would find a
comfortable place where the memory banks used to be (XtraRam goes on
top of the shielding) Cause the way it is now expansions on the CPU
push the keyboard up...
By the way could anyone explain me how these extensions to 8 Megabytes
on a ST work? DO they include an extra MMU to support another 2 banks?
Well thats a lot of questions and I hope someone can at least answer
some of them.

Erlend.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: leonp@cs.kun.nl (Leon Pillich)
Subject: Falcon in Holland
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:12:38 GMT

Today I went to a local computer shop to ask if and when they would
sell the Falcon. I had a nice chat with the guy and he told me the
following things:

- This shop (Byte) will certainly sell Falcons.
- The Falcon will be introduced in Holland in Februari 1993
- The first two month of production are already sold out, though
  eaxct price isn't know yet
- Price will be between 1400 and 2000 Dutch guilders, including HD
- No Falcons without HD's will be sold in Holland
- Introduction to the general public is feb 1993 because atari
  wants to be able to sell a computer with a large software base
  which is under development now.
- MultiTos or other Tos is uncertain (verybody hopes for MultiTos)
  but it's not unlikely that it will be sold only with MultiTos
- Case is uncertain. Certainly no 1040 case !!!!!
- They think that falcons will make lifer for cheap Macs tough !! :-)))

Atari just may have a winning machine and I just might buy one....

Leon Pillich
University of Nijmegen, Holland
email: leonp@cs.kun.nl
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From: sward+@CMU.EDU (David Reeve Sward)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: What's new with Atari?
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:22:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.EemTtfC00iUxE59JYG
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hey all,

  The last time I knew anything about Ataris new computers was back when
I owned an Amiga 1000, and comparing that to the 1040ST (I now own a
386sx).  Now, when I was looking through comp.sys.next.advocacy, someone
mentioned the Falcon.  I'd never even heard of the Falcon until now, and
am curious as to what's up with Ataris computers.  If you have a good
history of Atari since then (along with the specs for their computers),
please mail it to me - but _please_ send it to sward+atari@cmu.edu (add
atari between the "+" and "@").

Thanks!
From: Christian_Vogler@hh2.maus.de (Christian Vogler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: TDD
Date: 5 Oct 92 10:02:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: HH2.A13133
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.14

In article <1992Oct2.140155.24429@a.cs.okstate.edu> cummins@a.cs.okstate.edu
(CUMMINS JOHN WILLI) writes:

>okay...  TDD tech info
>
>5 bit baudot code
>26 chars (upper case only)
>2 shift characters (alpha shift and num shift)
>the same alpha codes are used for numeric digits after a shift character.
>Must shift back to alpha later....
>
>The carrier is momentary.  It exists only while a character is being
>transmitted.  Then there is silence until the next character.  The SAME
>carrier is used by the other end... hence the need for silence between
>transmitted characters.
>
>The bit rate is about 45.45 baud (ca. 50 or 60 wpm)
>
>the 5 data bits are bracketed by a start/stop bit pair.

Fine, but does anyone know how to teach a modem that kind of "protocol"?
:-(
As far as I know, you need to specially design a modem for that.
And not to forget, there are different standards (if you can call them
"standards" at all) throughout the world. (e.g. EDT, Baudot, ...)

with regards
      Christian

P.S. I'd appreciate any further info very much.
(possibly via Email, since we are quite off topic in this group)
---
Christian_Vogler@hh2.maus.de (Internet)
From: wvleeshh@wg.estec.esa.nl (wim vleeshhouwer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ORCS - Otto's Resource Construction Set
Keywords: rsc
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:56:09 GMT
Organization: WG/Estec, Noordwijk, The Netherlands

I cannot find this program on a.a. under atari/Utilities, where is it?
From: wmtwen@rw8.urc.tue.nl (Erlend Nagel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: CAD programs
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:38:12 GMT
Reply-To: wmtwen@urc.tue.nl

fergus@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (George Fergus) writes:

>>> I am in particular interested in OrCAD and as far as I know there isn't
>>> anything that is as powerful as that piece of software. It is $1500 and
>>> is pretty affordable since industrial software is in the $5000+ range.
>>There is a very good CADD prog for the mac that doesn't cost $>1000...
>>it is called Claris CAD (by ofcourse Claris)... we use it at work for
>>all our enclosure layouts, our machine shop uses it for every print/
>>patent applic that they do...
Hahahaha, when I told the guy that lives with me and six other sutdents
in our studenthome I had read that somebody had said that OrCad was the
most powerful .... etc. etc. Hahahaha he laughed and laughed, and then
told me he used a program named NP2 on an atari (I didn't even know he
had ever used an atari :) which is supposed to be THE BEST.
He is an electronics student and freak so I think I can trust his
opinion in this.

Erlend.
From: johnj@echo.philips.nl (John Janssen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Problem Formatting FirstWord files.
Date: 1 Oct 92 10:06:59 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, E.C.H.O. development department

davidb@muppet.bt.co.uk (David Baboulene DND3) writes:
>I work with FirstWord Plus on a 1040 ST, and run files between this machine
>and my Sun SPARC here at work. This means saving in ASCII format on DOS floppy.
>Simple.

>Sometimes, however, text files in FirstWord don't want to format. I hit the
>format paragraph command, and nothing happens at all, or it maybe formats
>the one line, then stops. 

>Other times, the format command removes forced linebreaks I have deliberately
>put in, and formats page after page into one great paragraph! 

>These problems are particularly prevelant on files I have ferried back and
>forward to the SPARC, but can happen on the 1040 with no outside help at all!

>What is going on here? What does the format command look for in deciding whether
>to linebreak/join or not? More importantly, how can I fix it so it always formats
>properly?

Having the same problem, I found a way around!

Taking an ASCII file home on floppy (using MTOOLS on sun-sparc)
needs a little program to convert ASCII spaces into "soft spaces" used
by First Word Plus.

There is such a program in atari.archive 
I do not know the program's name by head, so let me know
if you need the name.

That program works quit nice as long as you do not have spaces at
the end of a line (in the ASCII file), as well as having the alineas (english?)
separated with empty lines.

Back to Sparc:      
This needs the ^M removed at the end of the line at the sparc.

The way I do it is simple:
As soon as uploaded to the sparc I mail the file to myself, 
as our mailtool does just that.

Hope this helps.

John
-- 
John Janssen         Email: johnj@echo.philips.nl      <-- may stop soon(?)
The Netherlands      or:    John.Janssen@atehv.bso.nl  <-- back in Nov. 92
Work: +31 40 756425 
Home: +31 77 513177  Atari Mega STE, PC 386 SX, MIDI, C
From: baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: STaladin 1.50 ...
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:00:25 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1amb3iINNduv@golem.wcc.govt.nz> sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:

>There is no need to post it on A.A. as its no good to Internet people
>at all...

	Well, I wouldn't say that.  Remember, even if you are connected at the
lower baud rates, it still costs to download - but in most cases it is free to 
d/l from the internet.  Besides, as some have mailed me, they didn't know a 
new version was available.

	Oh, due to the requests, I have put alad15a.tos (zip self-extractor)
in Atari.Archive atari/New.  I also uploaded aladoc14.arc (I changed it from
GEnie's name of "LD_DCV14.arc" because it seemed so counter-intuitive) because 
I couldn't find a manual for 1.50 on GEnie.  Actually, looking at the changes,
most are bug related, so the 1.4 manual should work fine.  BTW, this 1.5
archive is the fu"ll o"ne for those who haven't used GEnie before - so it
includes a genie.lst, so if you want to keep your old topic lists, you better
extract it in  a different directory.

>Roger...........              sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
>
-Mike
From: dud@hardy.u.washington.edu (Daniel Aylward)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Should Z*Net be created
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:33:46 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org> writes:

>Dan, my man. Remember on Kovacs conference you were "flamed" at one point and
>nobody gave a damn. So why are you defending the conference. The fact is,
>there is no point on creating such a conference as the two Atari sections are
>enough.

You are right, I was flamed.  I don't see this as a reason not to defend
this excellent conference, however.  I think it is a great asset to the
Atari community.  There is far less flaming in the AEO conference
(especially now that you left :) than there is here...  I like this place
too...

>PS: Can you teach me how to press "N"? -)

>Take care and have a nice day.

Thanks

Dan Aylward
dud@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: Mike Stramba <stramba@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Atari.archive.umich.edu :FAQ
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:50:56 GMT
Summary: What is the largest file size for a 'partXX'

What is the average file size of file 'parts' ?

e.g.    volume17/xxxxxx/part01


Or, more importantly, what is the LARGEST file size of a 'part'?

(I have mail size restrictions at my site).

Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:02:33 -0400 
From: Stefan Monnier <osoelgaultier+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon at BCS Show - Eyewitness Report!
	<1992Sep29.053107.10471@news.Hawaii.Edu>

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 29-Sep-92 Re: Atari Falcon at
BCS Sho.. Jack W. Wine@uhunix.uhcc (1128)
> Previous calculations of memory bandwidth were based on 60 Hz vertical
> refresh so the 72 Hz means the Falcon is at least 20% faster!  Also
> 800x600 at 60 Hz uses almost the same bandwidth as 640x480 at 72 Hz

640x480x72 means that there is 32MB/s of video memory bandwidth
(it could be less, but it seems sensible)

32MB/s divided by 60Hz gives you 530'000 points per image:
and it doesn't take into account the time to 'scan-back' lost
in synchronisation (typically 30% in non-overscan and more than
10% in overscan)

So that I don't believe 800x600x60 hz to be feasible in 256 colors !

Anyway, only monochrome interests me !

	Stefan Monnier

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