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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:51:42 EDT
From:         "P.K. Jamison,IU,812-333-4018" <JAMISONP@ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject:      What Educational Technology is

I would like to respond to Eric Wignall's statements about what educational
technology is and what it is that educational technologists do.  I feel
that the edtech list should read this because Wignal has taken it upon
himself to represent "us" as a group, and I feel wrongly.  First, I would
suggest that Wignall and others like him take time to read the works of
Langdon Winner and others who make very strong arguments about the role
and impact of technology upon societies.  Secondly, I am an educational
technologist who ahs worked with teachers and educators for over nine years,
and I do not feel that they all see themselves as info gods or  "at the
center of the universe."  Secondly, there is no point of differentiating
between primitive methods or technologies, or need for the notion of
efficiency.  Not all technologists are concerned with efficiency.  Some
of us, and rightly so, are concerned about the sociocultural impact of
western technologies on all societies through a variety of ways, including
education.  In fact, there are several technologists in the US who are
from the field of education currently working on the idea of "technology"
as a discourse rather than merely artifacts, techniques and systems.
Some of them are myself, David Shutkin and MAtthew Weinstein from U of
Wisconsin, John Belland at Ohio State, randy Nichols at Cincinnati,
Liz Ellsworth and Mimi orner at U of Wisconsin, Denis Hylnka at Manitoba,
several authors in England.  I get letters from persons all over the world
who are concerned with the use of technology in education.  They are
not Luddites, they are concerned educators.  I would prefer that Wignall
and others not assume that all educational technologists have the same
World View of technology.  Anyone interested in papers by these people
can write me and I will send them on ASAP.  Thanks for hearing my side.
P.K. Jamison.
JAMISON@usc.indiana.edu
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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 10:17:19 EDT
From:         Ken Wheeler <aa738@cleveland.Freenet.Edu>
Subject:      Computerized Grade Books

	Could anyone help out with this request?I could think of only
 two lists that might handle such requests,edtech and possibly TQM-l,and
 am not subscribed to either one.
	Please don't reply to the list unless it's of interest to others
 on the list besides niether Mary nor i would see it .Please send to either

	aa738@cleveland.freenet.edu
		or
	cb271@cleveland.freenet.edu

******** Forwarded from teachers board cleveland freenets academy one******

Article 305 of freenet.edu.teachers.general:
From: cb271@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mary M. Mann)
Subject: Computerized Grade Books
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 92 11:28:51 GMT


I am a middle school English teacher looking for a good grade
managing software for this coming year.  I need something that
will allow me to: 1)enter grades under individual classes, 2)
allow me to identify each individual piece of work, 3)create
progress reports and, 4)create reports at the end of each
grading period.  I have an IBM compatible computer (486). Any
suggestions will be greatly appreciated since I am new at this.
Thank you.  PS. Isn't this FREENET fantastic?!
MARY
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:28:50 EDT
From:         lzeitz@OREGON.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Concept mapping: literature

>pardon me if I missed this in previous discussion,
>but has anyone mentioned Evelyn Wood's techniques that
>have been used in her *Reading Dynamics* ?
>
Please tell me more about the Evelyn Wood's techniques for concept mapping.

Leigh Zeitz
LZEITZ@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU
University of Oregon
Office: 503-346-2680
Home:  503-345-5473
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:54:35 EDT
From:         Jerry Paquette <paquette@edu.uwo.ca>
Subject:      Re: Convincing Faculty

I know the feeling regarding authoring academic software.  I am in the
uncomfortable position of having produced a Windows (C++) program with many
of the basic bells and whistles that does very detailed course, track, and
grade distribution analysis by complex demographic variables--a big time
investment.

So far, although I did get funding for a pilot project using a crude APL
version of this software in 1989, I've yet to get the money for the
large-scale project which this software seems to be very capable of.  Not
much academic payoff in THAT (yet??)!!

                                    Jerry Paquette
                                    University of Western Ontario
                                    paquette@edu.uwo.ca
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Date:         Sat, 25 Jul 1992 10:17:05 EDT
From:         JHDCI@canal.crc.uno.edu
Subject:      Re: Convincing Faculty

If software could become a line on faculty vita it would be an incentive.  As
far as getting a  commericial distributor to handle academic software I don't
think there is going to be much of that.  Commercial distributors want a pack-
age with all the bells and whistles as I discovered when my hard drive became
overloaded.  I have a bad habit of buying everything that comes along but when
I was a weekend without my computer I reflected on just how much duplication
there is between programs.  For an example I have a spell-checker on Excel,
Word for Windows, and Grammatik.  With Windows I can go from one to the other
so one spell-checker would suffice.  Excel and Word retail for $495 and
Grammatik is $99.50 (I didn't pay retail but I am a legitimate owner) and I
picture an Academic software package being something that analyzes questions
in classroom discourse.  There is a need but not much of a market.  Maybe
programs such as this should be distributed to other researchers with credit
going to the developers and the modifiers of the software.  A peer review to
evaluate acadademic software and give proper credit to the writers would give
academic programs some value.  I seriously doubt that much academic software
is going to hit the big-time.  Consider academic software like a text and
commercial software like a best-selling novel.  There is room for both types
of programs.  But faculty will not write academic software if they are not
rewarded some way.  I write academic software but my sanity has been questioned.
Jack DeGolyer[JHDCI@UNO.EDU]
University of New Orleans
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:39:54 EDT
From:         MUFFOLETTO@iscsvax.uni.edu
Subject:      Re: Technology and curriculum reform

About technology and reform..... I suggest that you look at what problem you
want to address.... what do you want to change?  Do you want to deal with
pedagogy, economics (larger class sizes), more productive use of visual
and audio data bases, or just a "new" format for presentations (i.e. electronic
overheads).  I think of change in terms of social and political benefit..
what is gained and what is lost!  Who will benefit from it?, etc....

Also, how will the form begin to effect the content!  What notions of
knowing are you dealing with?, etc.....

I think you question  is a good one and many have looked at change from
different angles.  You may want to read "The Myth of Educational Reform"
by Thomas Popkewitz, etc., also "Curriculum and Ideology" by Mike Apple.

Robert Muffoletto
Univ. of N. Iowa
muffoletto@uni.edu
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:31:49 EDT
From:         Gleason Sackman <sackman@plains.NoDak.edu>
Subject:      Gazetteer of Planetary Features (fwd)

Forwarded message:

> From: DAVID BIGWOOD 486-2134 <bigwood@lpi.dnet.nasa.gov>
> Subject:      Gazetteer of Planetary Features
> To: Multiple recipients of list PACS-L <PACS-L@uhupvm1.bitnet>
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> The Lunar & Planetary Institute is pleased to make available to the Internet
> community The Gazetteer of Planetary Features.  This database was compiled
> by USGS.  It includes all approved features as of April 1992.
>
> For each feature the file gives size, location (long. & lat.), year name
> was adopted, attribution and a map on which it may be found.
>
> To access the file, telnet to lpi.jsc.nasa.gov.  Login as LPI.  No password
> is required.  Select the menu option Information & Research Services.  Next
> select Reference Files.  The gazetteer is in this directory.
>
> David Bigwood
> bigwood@lpi.jsc.nasa.gov
> Lunar & Planetary Institute
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:12:50 EDT
From:         MUFFOLETTO@iscsvax.uni.edu
Subject:      Re: team email

Hello Jon Uten..

I find what you are suggesting to be interesting.... but giving everyone
access via technology may not be the solution.... or the solution
to the wrong question.  It seems to me that the problem circles around
parent involvement and communication between schools and parents (meaningful
communication).  My senese is that you can use all the technology
you want but nothing will change in the structural relationships between
schools-teachers-parents-students..... most of the current practices build
upon previous patterns of communications and power.

I suggest building a strong communication system between parents and their
children's teachers.. then technology becomes a manner of enhancing what
already exists... remember... you must have something to say and believe that
there are listeners ..... its called a voice.  Most parents don't have
a voice in their childern's education.

In an important way.. teacher's voices are getting softer.

        bob muffoletto

        muffoletto@uni.edu

        Coll of education
        univ. of n iowa
        cedar falls, iowa
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:16:37 EDT
From:         Bruce Carter <bcarter@claven.idbsu.edu>
Subject:      Re: Telecommunications & Digital Phone Systems

Greetings Elliott,

>We are experiencing similar problems here at Vanderbilt, and have not
>progressed past the dual analog/digital solution.  I haven't seen it
>mentioned yet but FAX machines pose a similar problem with respect to the
>digital lines, do they not?

Yes, FAX machines here are all on analog lines at this time, as well as devices
such as network modems (I'm also here at BSU with Ted trying to stumble my way
through the new phone system).  The administration wants to minimize analog
lines, however, and at one point were pushing the idea of no analog lines at
all.  That got rescinded, but I doubt they'd be too happy about putting analog
lines in for modem service, especially after buying the bank of high speed
modems they installed with the switch... *heh*.
                                     <->
Bruce Carter, CBI Product Development                bcarter@claven.idbsu.edu
Simplot/Micron Instructional Technology Center       amccarte@idbsu (Bitnet)
Boise State University, Boise, ID  83725             (208)385-1851@phone
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:49:48 EDT
From:         VIVANCOS@DECNET.UPC.ES
Subject:      Consultancy on Educational Technology

Hi!

I would like to share/discuss the role of the adviser/consultant
on Educational Technology in the diferents countries.

In Spain this will be an emerging profession (I hope) and I would
know how it is managed abroad.

A bibliographic references and adresses of specialized
institutions on ADVICE AND CONSULTANCY ON EDUCATIONAL TECHNOLOGY
will be welcome.

Many tanks in advance and greetings from Barcelona.

Jordi Vivancos
VIVANCOS@DECNET.UPC.ES
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:44:43 EDT
From:         Bob Child <vsf@sage.cc.purdue.edu>
Subject:      Re: Forwarded mail/alt.gopher

> Thanks Gleason for all the great stuff you send out! Keep it coming!
>
> JMCCOY.UNCSON@mhs.unc.edu

Gleason,

Let me throw in with JMCCOY; I've remained a subscriber because I find
the informational postings invaluable.  Thanks,

   --                                                          --
     Bob Child (vsf@cc.purdue.edu) Instructional Lab Coordinator
     Purdue University Computing Center // Department of English
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 22:41:01 EDT
From:         Gleason Sackman <sackman@plains.NoDak.edu>
Subject:      Learner Outcomes (fwd)

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> From: JTCHEMOT@suvm.acs.syr.EDU
> X-To:         LM_NET@SUVM.SYR.EDU
> To: Multiple recipients of list LM_NET <LM_NET@suvm.bitnet>
>
>Hello all - I am writing looking for information on "learner outcomes". As part
>of our Strategic Planning, the Library and Information Specialists in my school
> district, West Genesee in Camillus, NY (western suburbs of Syracuse) will be
>meeting soon to write Learner Outcomes for Grades K-12.  I would appreciate any
> information anyone on the Net may have about your own experiences with this
> process, great articles on the subject, successes and otherwise.  Thanks in
> advance for your interest and input.
>
> Jan Chemotti
> Librarian and Information Specialist
> West Genesee Middle School
> 500 Sanderson Road
> Camillus, NY 13031
> EMAIL: JTCHEMOT@SUVM.bitnet
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:51:29 EDT
From:         mhorney@OREGON.BITNET
Subject:      Information on Outliners

There have recently been several messages on EDTECH regarding the use of
outlining and concept mapping software. I work as a research associate on
Project OUTLINE which is just concluding a three year study of middle and
high school students using such programs. We have a small packet of papers
describing some of our results that we would be happy to send to anyone who
provides their street address.

Also, mentioned of late was a concept mapping program called INSPIRATION.
One of the project members, Leigh Zeitz (lzeitz@oregon.uoregon.edu), has
just completed his disseration which studied students using INSPIRATION. He
would be happy to communicate with interested parties. The program itself
can be ordered from the address below:

Ceres Software, Inc.
P.O. Box 1629
Portland, Oregon 97207
(503) 245-9011

Mark Horney
215 Education
University of Oregon
Eugene, OR 97403
mhorney@oregon.uoregon.edu
(503) 346-2679
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From:         barley@gw.wmich.edu
Subject:      RE: Posting of forwarded messages

I prefer the system of reposting entire pieces from other sources.  I
can quickly pass by them if they are not of interest but I am grateful
to the service for bringing these things to my attention.  Z.Barley
Western Michigan
barley@gw.wmich.edu
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:45:48 EDT
From:         Mary Krisch <krisch@tenet.edu>
Subject:      gradebooks

I have used an electronic gradebook for several years that is WONDERFUL.
It is called GRADESPEED by CAMPUSWARE and you can call 1-800-722-1619 to
find out all about it . The address is - P.O.Box 681992
                                           San Antonio, Tx. 78268-1992

Try it - You will LOVE it !

Mary Krisch    krisch@tenet.edu
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:25:00 EDT
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Subject:      Call for Papers (fwd)

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> From: Bob Brookshire <FAC_RGB@jmuvax.bitnet>
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> To: Multiple recipients of list CMC <CMC@rpiecs.bitnet>
>
>                                Call for Papers
>                      Office Systems Research Association
>                       Twelfth Annual Research Conference
>                                March 6-7, 1992
>                                San Antonio, TX
>
> The OSRA Executive Board invites interested persons to submit papers for
> consideration by the Conference Committee.  The theme for the 1993 conference
> is "The Workplace Transformation: Managing Change in a Performance-Driven
> Organization."
>
> Submit four double-spaced copies of your paper or panel proposals by November
> 1, 1992.  Papers should not exceed 15 pages.  To facilitate the blind reviewin
> process, the author's name and affiliation should appear only on a separate
> title page along with a maximum of four descriptors.  Authors whose papers are
> selected and panelists who are members of accepted panels are expected to
> register for the Conference.  Send complete papers/panel proposals to :
>
>           Dr. Bridget O'Connor
>           OSRA Call for Papers Coordinator
>           New York University
>           300 East Building, 239 Green St.
>           New York, NY 10003
>           phone: (212) 998-5488
>           e-mail: oconnorb@acfl.nyu.edu
>
> A special conference session will feature student papers submitted to the OSRA
> Call for Papers Coordinator at the address listed above.  The deadline for the
> receipt of student proposals is November 1, 1992.
>
> Suggested Topics:
>
> The Conference Committee will consider a broad range of office information
> systems (OIS) and end user computer (EUC) research topics, including (but not
> limited to) the following areas of interest:
>
> Industry/University Partnerships
> Case Studies/Action Research
> Technology Management
> Behavioral and Organizational Issues in Implementing OIS/EUC
> Human Factors of Information Technology
> Information Worker Performance
> OIS/EUC Implementation Strategies and Issues
> Information Centers
> End User and OIS Technologies
> Career Opportunities
> Collegiate Education
> Technology and Corporate Strategy
> Planning and Conducting an Effective Research Project
> Data Gathering and Analysis Techniques
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 22:31:52 EDT
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Subject:      Couducting Internet Workshops. (fwd)

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> From: Urban LeJeune <lejeune@PILOT.NJIN.NET>
> Subject:      Couducting Internet Workshops.
> X-To:         Internet/BITNET Network Trainers Discussion List
>               <NETTRAIN@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu>
> To: Multiple recipients of list NETTRAIN <NETTRAIN@ubvm.bitnet>
>
>      I would like to thank all those who have given me feedback on my
> paper "Conducting User-Friendly Internet Workshops."  I have made the
> suggested changes to spelling and grammar plus a few other things.  The
> latest version will be kept available for anonymous FTP.  A copy may
> be obtained by ftping to pilot.njin.net.  Change directory to
> /pub/Internet-course.  Note the upper case I, this is a Unix machine and
> case counts.  Get user-workshops.txt.
>
>      If anyone has any comments, corrections or suggestions I would really
> appreciate them.
>
> Urb
>
> Urban A. LeJeune                  lejeune@pilot.njin.net
> Department of Computer Science    W2DEC
> Stockton State College            FAX   609-652-4858
> Pomona, NJ 08240                  Voice 609-652-4477  Home 609-296-5856
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:41:15 EDT
From:         "Fred W. Culpepper" <fculpepp@norfolk.vak12ed.edu>
Subject:      Re: Technology and curriculum reform

Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Norfolk)

One of the difficulties in getting teachers into using
computers is the cost factor.  There seems to be some myth
floating around that you must have a Mac or a IBM clone.  There
are thousands of Apples floating around in the schools just
begging to be used.  Some have been deserted in favor of more
"up-to-date" equipment.  There is plenty of good life left in
those "old" machines.  Even the Apple II can be connected to a
modem and used to work the educational networks.  So the answer
may be to show the teachers how easy it is to get information
from other teachers in their specialities via the networks.  Oh
yes, if there is one thing a teacher can never ignore it is
something that is FREE, and most of the educational networks
don't charge for their services.

Just a hunch, but it might get some of them started, and once
started, they may find many other uses for technology.

Fred Culpepper
Old Dominion University (Retired)
fculpepp@norfolk.vak12ed.edu
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