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From: cranch@novell.com (Christopher Ranch)
Subject: Re: Appletalk Echo Protocol
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:49:28 GMT

In article <01GMLK54DP0G99E685@MARICOPA.EDU> KLAASS@PC.BITNET (Steve Klaass) writes:
>We are trying to put together a series of network routines on a Mac network
> [...]
>After considering a few approaches to "pinging" machines to identify whether
> [...]
>BUT....
>
>After spending the last week poring through everything I could find on the
>AppleTalk Echo Protocol (I'm a little slow at these things), it seems as if
>there should be a standard INIT or other resident implementation of EP
> [...]

	Echo is built directly into the Mac's AppleTalk stack.  Just
	throw a packet at it from the database machine (your net/your node/
	your socket [>$80]/DDP type=$06[AEP]) to the Mac (Mac's net/Mac's
	node/soecket=$06[Echoer socket]/DDP type=$06[AEP].  You will get
	it thrown back at you.

	If you are going to do any statistical analysis of AppleTalk address
	consistency/changes over time, I'd be very interested in seeing it.

>Thanks in advance for any direction,
>Steve Klaass
>Network Services
>Glendale Community College


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Chris Ranch
Internetworking Products Division
Novell, Inc.  San Jose, CA
(408)473-8667  cranch@novell.com
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: shore@adobe.com (Andrew Shore)
Subject: Ph server for Eudora ?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 01:08:11 GMT


This isn't really an appletalk question but...

Where can I get information about the Ph (phonebook?) server that
goes with Eudora?  Pointers to ftp sites appreciated!

Thanks in advance,
	Andy Shore
	shore@adobe.com
From: connellm@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: CAP Laser print problem
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:12:47 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia

Help with a CAP postscript printing problem needed.

We have 5 Mac LC's and 4 MS DOS Pc's connected to an ethernet backbone served
by a DEC 5000 running Ultrix and CAP 6.

We have a LaserWriter Plus (old!) connected to the serial port of the 5000.

When a MS DOS PC prints following a print from a Mac the printer is
reinitialized. (Takes ages). Is there a way around this?  Do I have a problem
with a Postscript ini file? Any help appreciated.

Merv connell                     email m.connell@ucq.edu.au
University of Central Queensland.
From: josh@CAYMAN.COM (Josh Littlefield)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Proteon AppleTalk Router problem
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:32:19 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

....
>> : 	"IF the router generates an NBP LkUp packet with a DDP source
>> : 	address set to the address of the originating node (A), and a
....
>> : Huh?  The incorrect behavior in this case is the router putting
>> : something other than its own address in the DDP source address field.
>> : The originating node's address goes in the NBP tuple.
>> : 
>> 
>> The router is behaving correctly in this case. Because, router are not
>> suppose to change DDP source address, it only pass packets to different
>> network interfaces and thus change only the Ethernet address in this
>> case.

Bzzzzzzz!  Sorry, but no.  Good try, though!  You would, of course, be
correct if the router was routing a packet.  But the router is performing a
service.  In response to an NBP BridgeRequest packet it received, the router
is generating its own NBP LkUp packet, indicating that node A is looking for
a service.  The router should set the DDP src addr to itself, and the hop
count to 0.

>> The problem is, if (using the same example mentioned) node A and node B are
>> truely in the same network, shouldn't NBP lookup be a link layer broadcast
>> to the local network rather than querying it from the router?

Bzzzzzzz!  Unfotunately, no.  Because an NBP Lookup is a ZONE-WIDE thing,
and the end node knows nothing about which networks are part of which zones,
in the presence of any router the end nodes must NOT broadcast their own
NBP Lookups, but instead send an NBP Broadcast Reqeust to a router.

-josh

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From: KAGI.KEE@applelink.apple.com (Kagi Eng, Kee Nethery,PRT)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: PowerSwitch LT beta tests (Q)
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:44:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Radiant Enterprises in San Francisco is looking for some large Mac sites to
beta test its latest product, the PowerSwitch LT. The PowerSwitch LT is
basically a 15 amp 120vac power switch that is controllable via localtalk. The
configuration we want to test is it's LaserWriter mode where it turns off
LaserWriters that have not been communicated with within a  time period set by
the user (2 minutes to 2 hours) and then turns the LaserWriter back on when a
user prints to it. We are concerned with how users will react to the
PowerSwitch in a large office where the LaserWriters normally stay on 24 hours
a day 365 days per year.
 
We are looking for sites that are large enough to feel that it's too much of a
hassle to turn off LaserWriters at night. We want to test the PowerSwitch LT
with all the various spoolers out there (Vax, CAP, etc.) We'd like to test it
with non-Apple LaserWriters. We are also looking for Quebec and Japanese test
sites to provide extra feedback on the documentation.
 
If your site has these features, and you are interested in testing it for us,
please contact Kee Nethery and describe your situation; estimated number and
types of LaserWriters, types of spoolers, etc. Thanks,
 
Kee Nethery
kagi.kee@applelink.apple.com
 
 
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: gilbertd@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Don Gilbert)
Subject: Re: Summary: Aufs Mac -> Unix copies and CR -> LF conversion
Organization: Biology, Indiana University - Bloomington
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:59:11 GMT

I agree that Aufs should be patched to convert CR's in all Mac 
TEXT files when dragged to Aufs volume (possibly barring some 
.GIF/.tiff/.other suffixed files, which my feeling is should
not be typed as TEXT in the first place, but as BINA or something
else).

But a more subtle problem that I hope someone else has noticed
is that you cannot save TEXT type files from a Mac application
onto an Aufs volume and have the CR's converted.  I would very
much like to see this.  We have many avid mac users who must also
use Unix computers to do data analysis.  This data analysis involves
editing TEXT type files that reside on the Unix computer.  It
is most convenient to do this with a Mac text editor (or word processor
if we remember to save as text).  But in this case, my naive users
must learn the tricky extra steps of saving the Unix data file to a Mac
disk first, then drag that file to the Aufs volume, for the CR->LF
conversion to work.   

Is it possible to do this conversion when saving directly from
Mac application to Aufs disk?  I looked at the code several 
patches back and couldn't find anyway to do this.

-- Don
-- 
Don Gilbert                                     gilbert@bio.indiana.edu
biocomputing office, biology dept., indiana univ., bloomington, in 47405
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: jbotz@sophia.smith.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: Rebuilding AUFS volume desktops under System 7.
Organization: Smith College
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:18:01 GMT

How do I rebuild the desktop on a CAP AUFS volume under System 7?
Just holding down command-option when mounting the volume doesn't
seem to do anything.

Also, I'm getting some bizarre behavior with a folder on an AUFS
volume that has a custom icon.  Basically, the folder just disappears.
I delete the desktop file, remount the volume, and the folder is there
again.  New files for .IDeskTop and .ADeskTop appear on the Unix side,
but they are empty.  Now I trash the volume, remount, and the folder
is gone again.  The .IDeskTop and .ADeskTop files are still empty.  I
delete them, remount and the missing folder is back.  Any explanation?

Also, anybody know if/how one could use a custom icon with an AUFS
_volume_?  I'd like to color my little BSD devil.

   - Jurgen Botz
     jbotz@mtholyoke.edu

Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: gavin@sorokin.anu.edu.au (Gavin K. Longmuir)
Subject: appletalk PC's (on localtalk) - info
Organisation: Research School of Social Sciences, Australian National University
Reply-To: gavin@sorokin.anu.edu.au (Gavin Longmuir)
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:19:48 GMT

There is a kind of report on using PhoneNet Talk PC on Localtalk which was
posted to this news group about four months ago. The report (?) can be found
at the anonymous ftp site sorokin.anu.edu.au.

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: j-norstad@nwu.edu (John Norstad)
Subject: Re: Ph server for Eudora ?
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:41:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.010811.13667@adobe.com>, shore@adobe.com (Andrew
Shore) wrote:
> 
> Where can I get information about the Ph (phonebook?) server that
> goes with Eudora?  Pointers to ftp sites appreciated!

"Ph" is an electronic directory system developed by Steve Dorner and others
at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. It is also known as the
"CSO Nameserver." Several dozen universities have implemented the system,
and more are coming on line all the time. It's not an X.500 system. It
offers 90% of the features of X.500 with 10% of the complexity.

The main anonymous FTP site for Ph is uxc.cso.uiuc.edu. The server code is
in net/qi/qi.tar.Z. You will also find a number of useful documents in this
archive file. "Phquery", another optional component, is in
mail/sendmail/uiuc.

The Ph client built into Eudora is a minimal query-only client. I have
written a full Mac client which permits very easy querying of other sites,
plus record editing. My client, plus a number of other useful documents, is
available via anonymous FTP to ftp.acns.nwu.edu, in the pub/ph directory.

There is also a Ph newsgroup, info.ph, which echos the Ph mailing list,
info-ph@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu.

John Norstad
Academic Computing and Network Services
Northwestern University
j-norstad@nwu.edu
From: bob@prepress.com (Robert Crowe)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Need a mail program for Macs (Not on ethernet)
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:45:22 GMT
Organization: Pre-Press Technologies, Carlsbad Ca.


Hi,

My company is attempting to find a mail program that will allow us 
to connect our MacIntosh's that are *Not* on the ethernet to our unix
machines Mail system (and hence to the outside world).  

We have several of the macs on the ethernet, and for these we use
eudora with great success.  Unfortunately, the other half of the
building is not on the ethernet (they use normal appletalk).

We do have Microsoft Mail for the Macintosh, Although I have not
looked into it much, I suspect that it wont be able to grab mail from a
Unix host.

Is there any software available that will allow an ethernet-less
macintosh to pick up mail via either snmp or pop from a unix host.

Alternatively, Is there any software that will allow the unix machine
to gateway mail to/from an appletalk network, and if so what type of 
software would read such gateway-ed mail on the macintosh.

We have either SGI Indigos or SUN sparcstations as the unix hosts.
The sun runs CAP, so any software which uses this would be great.

Any replys at all are appreciated. I will summarize if there is interest.

Thanks in advance,

Bob.
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Pre-Press Technologies.        Email:    bob@prepress.com
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From: hontanon@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Ramon J. Hontanon)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: HELP: Basic Macintosh Networking Questions
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:51:13 GMT
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk

I'm new to the world of Macintosh networking, so if these questions
are too basic for the group, receive my sincere apologies.

I've been faced with the task of making five Macintosh machines "talk"
to each other (Appleshare and Mail), and have run into a couple of
problems I hope you can help me solve. Once again, I apologize if I'm
not using the correct terminology.

The Mac's all have ethernet cards and are loaded with MacTCP. I intend
to use one of them as the Appleshare server, as it has system 7 loaded.
My questions are the following:

o	Can I use thin wire ethernet the same way I use LocalTalk
	(i.e. to run Appleshare and Mail)
o	Does the ethernet line have to be in a ring topology, or can
	it be a line with open ends?
o	Do I need MacTCP to run Appleshare and Mail? Can I just use
	ethertalk?
o	MacTCP requires that I give each Mac an IP address. How do I
	determine a unique IP address? Can I skip this step since I don't
	plan to use telnet or FTP?

Any help will be appreciated. E-Mail or posts would be great.
Thank you.
  
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From: philc@msmgate.mrg.uswest.com (Phil Corchary)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: HELP: Basic Macintosh Networking Questions
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:38:50 GMT
Organization: U S WEST MRG, Inc.

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>Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.apps
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In article <2138@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu> Ramon J. Hontanon,
hontanon@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu writes:
>o	Can I use thin wire ethernet the same way I use LocalTalk
>	(i.e. to run Appleshare and Mail)

Well, that depends on how you mean the same way ...
>o	Does the ethernet line have to be in a ring topology, or can
>	it be a line with open ends?

EtherNet is not in a ring topology, but in abackbone topology, with 50ohm
terminators 
at either end for 10b2 (thinnet)

>o	Do I need MacTCP to run Appleshare and Mail? Can I just use
>	ethertalk?

No. that is, depending on what Mail you are running ... if it is TCP/IP
based then 
yes, you do, but otherwise if you just have cc:Mail, or daVinci mail

>o	MacTCP requires that I give each Mac an IP address. How do I
>	determine a unique IP address? Can I skip this step since I don't
>	plan to use telnet or FTP?

If you have a large internetwork with tcp/ip then someone needs to assign
unique IP
addresses, unless you use server addressing. If these are the only tcp/ip
devices, 
you can be somewhat arbitrary about the whole thing. But, if you mail
doesn't
need tcp/ip, and you aren't going to use telnet, ftp, nuntius, newreader
etc from the
Mac, then you don't need it.

philc
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From: gary@muvms3.bitnet (gary's news)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: IIg and PrintMonitor??
Date: 29 Jul 92 08:40:04 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

A user on campus has replaced a LaserWriter NTX with a IIg.  The laserwriter
is connected by localtalk to a Mac IIsi which is running the Apple Internet
Router.

The NTX provided acceptable response when the print monitor was actively
processing the print file, but the IIg seems to take an enormous amount of
time to process a print file in the print monitor.

What could be the problem??

Thanks,
Gary

-- 
Gary Weis
Marshall University
Prichard Hall
Computer Center
Huntington, WV 25755-5320

Bitnet   address is GARY@MARSHALL
Internet address is GARY@MARSHALL.WVNET.EDU

Business Phone Number (304) 696-3205
Fax Number (304) 696-3601
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.sys.mac.comm
From: diessel@informatik.unibw-muenchen.de (Thomas Diessel)
Subject: Re: IIg and PrintMonitor??
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:26:16 GMT

m16547@mwunix.mitre.org (Arthur Gorski) writes:
>gary@muvms3.bitnet (gary's news) writes:
>>A user on campus has replaced a LaserWriter NTX with a IIg.  The laserwriter
>>is connected by localtalk to a Mac IIsi which is running the Apple Internet
>>Router.
Why don't you connect the LaserWriter IIg via Ethernet?
>Zapf Dingbats is not included in the ROM on the IIg.  If you're using this
>font, it must be downloaded from the computer.  Bad news.
And there are more bad news: I've been told that you have to rename the
supplied "Zapf Dingbats" font file to "ZapfDin". Also you should use the newest
LaserWriter driver which should be version 7.1.1. You will find it on the
System 7 Tuner disks.
>Also, the IIg is a real RAM hog.  Make sure you've bought extra SIMMs!  At
>least they're standard  SIMMs this time. 
That's true! We upgraded our first LW IIg from 5 to 8 MB and bought our
second with 8 MB.
--
Thomas Diessel
Federal Armed Forces University, Munich  -  Computer Science Department
Werner-Heisenberg-Weg 39  -  W-8014 Neubiberg
Germany
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Using MacTCP and EtherTalk.
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:49:45 GMT

Marzano> == Marzano Frank <frank@cssc-woll.tansu.com.au> 

 Marzano> I am trying to get applications that use MacTCP to work on
 Marzano> EtherTalk. When I use the localtalk connection I have no
 Marzano> problems.
[...]
 Marzano> Because my localtalk macs work OK proves that IP gets through
 Marzano> to the cisco and beyond. My Multigate has been configured to
 Marzano> talk EtherTalk Phase 2.0 justlike my EtherTalk mac has been.

If you have IP on the Ethernet wire, don't use EtherTalk, use Ethernet;
that will produce native-format IP packets, rather than IP in AppleTalk.

Most gateways will not translate IP in AppleTalk into IP if they get it
on their Ethernet side unless you change a setting (Option 7 on a
Fastpath, for example).
--
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         to tolerate speech.'' --Justice Anthony Kennedy, in 91-155
From: hedges@pilot.njin.net (Douglas Hedges)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Appletalk I'Writer / Lost TRel
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:32:42 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I was assigned to task of finding out why print jobs to
our A'talk I'Writers would aperiodically stop in the middle
of printing whereupon the workstation would exhibit a dialog
box with the error message "Unable to maintain connection to
the I'Writer (or something close to that).

After capturing some sessions and examining the packets
it appears that in all cases it was the failure of
the I'Writer printers to send a TRel packet releasing
the transaction.  Instead the printer simply requested the 
next data packet in sequence as identified by both the TID number
and the PAP sequence number.  This continued for about 30 seconds
(according to the time stamps) with the printer requesting
the next data packet and the workstation, which hadn't a
clue at that point, just sending status requests (which are of
no use apparently in this case).  After 30 seconds, the workstation
gave up and returned the dialog box with the error message
about connecting to the printer.

As an experiment I tried capturing the I'Writer printers
w/the Apple Print Server and damned if it didn't happen again
due to a lost TRel, but this time the Print Server 
failed to send it! I was using LocalPeek in all cases to
capture the traffic; in none of those instances that failed
was the TRel clobbered, it just didn't get sent.

Now I was under the impression from Inside A'talk (p 9-6?) that,
in the event of a lost TRel, for whatever reason, the responder 
was to remove the unacknowledged request from its list of
requests and ... do what, I don't know.  (Inside Appletalk
is vague at this point).  It seems reasonable that if the
printer or spooler is requesting the next data packet in 
sequence that would be implicit acknowledgement of having
received the previous one in the event of a lost TRel.  

I'm not an A'talk guru and if any of the above seems hazy 
it probably is but I'm quite clear that it was the
absent TRel that triggered the sequence of events in all
cases of failure.

Ideas from the cognoscenti would be most appreciated as
to why the workstation end doesn't handle this more
robustly.
From: jcav@quads.uchicago.edu (JohnC)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Checksum bug in LW NTR
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:00:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Jul24.170011.16770
Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: comp.protocols.appletalk, comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things

In article <GLEN.92Jul24104836@midway.Cayman.COM> glen@Cayman.COM (Glen B. Glater) writes:
>Apple has a new Personal LaserWriter called the NTR. 
>
>It has a bug in its ROM code.  If the printer gets a packet with
>a DDP checksum that is not zero, it will ignore the packet.

Question: is this bug also present in the ROM of the Personal Laserwriter
NT?  If so, it would explain a problem we're having.  (I suspect that this
is _not_, in fact, the reason for our problem, but I'm hoping...)

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From: larson@loren.net.com (Alan Larson)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: protocol ident?
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:36:48 GMT
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies


  What is LAP type $4B ?

	Alan