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From: rbodin@bnr.ca (Richard Bodin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Neutral Umpires
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:40:41 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
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Hello everyone,

Neutral Umpires? Hmmmmmm.... To be honest I would rather the money spent
on jetting umpires half the way across the globe to be spent on bringing 
more people into the game. Also, on the question of money, just think
of the amount raised by fines which may not have been raised given
neutral umpires :-)

The problem lies with the players not the umpires and when I say players
I am refering to just about every team in world cricket. The fact is
no matter how bad the decision the players must accept it. This must
be backed up with fines, there is no other way.

In the last test there was no doubt that Pakistan got the worst of the
close decisions but that's the luck of the draw and it tends to even
itself out in the end. I find it hard to believe that an umpire would
think to himself 'well, he was out but just to give England an advantage
I'll say Not Out.'

To finish, I would not rule out neutral umpires in situations such as
the world cup or one-off games. But, I don't think it will solve the
basic problem of player accepting decisions.

Looking forward to a great match at the Oval....

Rich Bodin                            BNR Europe have no interest in
BNR Europe, Maidenhead, England.      cricket so these opinions are mine.
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From: andyc@is.morgan.com (Andrew Coad)
Subject: Re: Double Internationals
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:35:44 GMT

Vivian Richards represented Antigua in soccer so i guess, technically, he also
is a DOUBLE INTERNATIONAL.

Andrew Coad
Morgan Stanley
New York
(212) 703-2112
From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: T4 D4 50 minutes after tea
Date: 31 Jul 1992 14:07:53 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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England 61/3, needing another 38 to win.

Gooch c. Mujtaba b. Mushtaq.....37.

Unlike the first innings, Pakistan is not giving away anything.
Mushtaq has figures of 6-0-0-6.  Stewart is the new man in.

j n a
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From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: Re: Gavaskar's last Test and first class innings
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 06:32:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.175007.19171@tcom.stc.co.uk> bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk (Bruce Munro) writes:
>In article <1992Jul18.201531.28367@access.usask.ca> sundaram@skorpio.usask.ca (Meenakshi Sundaram) writes:
>>
>>In article <GM7316.92Jul17154213@eve.albany.edu>, gm7316@csc.albany.edu (Ganesh M.) writes:
>>|> In article <1992Jul17.175824.19379@leland.Stanford.EDU> urajan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Uday Rajan) writes:
>>|> 
>>|> 
>>came after Gavaskar and hit a few delightful fours off Marshall in the same 
>>situation.
>
>I was at this game and seem to remember that Marshall's delivery was an
>absolute stormer that sent one of the stumps a considerable distance. Shame
>for Gavaskar really, but after 188 in the first innings you can't really
>complain.
>
>-- 
>Bruce Munro.  <bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk> || ...!mcsun!uknet!stc!bruce
>BNR Europe Ltd, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. 
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Shame for Gavaskar ? Hmmm.......

Gavaskar has scored more number of runs against the mighty West Indies
than any other country. 

Cheers,

V R Kumar

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From: rajeev@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Rajeev Menon)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:23:12 GMT
Subject: Pak 197, England 172/1
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket

England seemed to be in command at Headingley, an hour after tea on
the second day. Atherton was bowled off stump by a delivery from Akram
that beat the outside edge, after a glorious opening stand of 168
with Gooch. Robin Smith, never quite at ease with the left arm fast
bowlers, made a couple of nervous swishes outside the off at Akram
in the short time he has been there.

England started off with a flurry of fours, with Waqar Younis proving 
particularly expensive. Things slowed down quite a bit after lunch.
The 150 of the innings came in 200 minutes off 312 balls.

Strangely, Miandad did not bring on Mushtaq until the score was past 100
and the batsmen well set. Akram has been the pick of the bowlers with 
23-7-48-1, although he was unlucky not to have broken through earlier.
At tea, England was 130 without loss, with Atherton on 54 and Gooch 59.

Earlier, Pakistan were bowled out for 197. Lewis took 2, Mallender 3,
Pringle 2 and Munton 2. Mushtaq and Malik shared a face saving stand
of 67 that rescued Pakistan from total disaster. Malik remained unbeaten
on 82, when last man Aquib was dismissed for a duck.

England are now 25 runs behind with 9 wickets left, although they will
be quick to recall the Lords test when a stand of 123 between Gooch and
Stewart put them on top, only to see the middle order collapse. And if I
remember, that stand was also broken by Akram, bowling Gooch for 69.
Should be a good match if rain does not play havoc.

BTW, Akram has been warned for running on to the wicket. He had a couple 
of soft warnings before his captain was summoned for the official ceremony.
I wonder what's cooking.. Mervyn Kitchen is the umpire, you know :-)

Pakistan 1st innings ::

  Sohail     c Atherton   b Mallender 23
  Rameez                  b Pringle   17
  Mujtaba                 b Mallender  7
  Miandad    c Smith      b Pringle    6
  Malik              not  out         82
  Ul Haq     c Hick       b Munton     5
  Akram              run  out         12
  Moin       c Hick       b Lewis      2
  Waqar      c Hick       b Mallender  6
  Mushtaq         ???     b Lewis     11
  Aquib                   b Munton     0
  Extras                              26
-----------------------------------------
  Total     (all out)                197

England 1st innings ::

Gooch                batting          74
Atherton             b Akram          76  (168/1)
Smith                batting           0
Extras                                22
----------------------------------------
Total       (for 1 wkt)              172

rajeev


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From: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Double Internationals
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:29:24 GMT
Reply-To: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1992Jul22.165835.27340@unislc.uucp> ramana@unislc.uucp (Ramana Ramachandran) writes:

>which made me think how many cricketers have represented their country
>in another sport?

>Please add more...
>

     Dennis Compton (78 Tests for England) also played football for Arsenal,
 alongside his brother Leslie. He played approximately once for the
 England football team.

     MJK Smith (50 Tests for England) also played for the England rugby
 team, I believe.

 Regards, Steve.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:13:20 EDT
From: Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Double Internationals

In article <1992Jul22.165835.27340@unislc.uucp>, ramana@unislc.uucp (Ramana
Ramachandran) says:
>
>The other day I heard that kapil is playing for east bengal in soccer
>which made me think how many cricketers have represented their country
>in another sport?
>
well, ifthikar ali khan of pataudi played olympic hockey and test cricket for
india and also played test cricket for england.

Stay cool,
The Thinker

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From: andyc@is.morgan.com (Andrew Coad)
Subject: For cricket novices in the USA
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:36:25 GMT


Should anyone be asked for an explanation of the game by native Americans, I
would suggest a marvellous book written by an American:

	"The Jolliest Game Under The Sun"
	by Hugh Formhals
	Western Mountain Press, Albuquerque NM
	ISBN # 0-911265-04-X
	Library Of Congress Cat. Card # 83-060379


Not only does this book explain the essentials of the game, but it also is well
written and captures the spirit of cricket.

Good Luck

Andrew Coad
Morgan Stanley
New York
(212) 703-2112
From: csp48@seq1.keele.ac.uk (J.W. Kirriemuir)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: R.S.C.Scores be used more frequently
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:01:25 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

> 	I second this + also earlier proposals to use
> 	rec.sport.cricket.scores
> 	for the test match updates.

I "third" this, seems sensible to me.

Colin's opinion is important here, as he is the main contributer of
scores to the newsgroup (county ones, that is). What do you think,
Colin?
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From: rbodin@bnr.ca (Richard Bodin)
Subject: re:Replays for Umpiring
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:51:52 GMT

There has been a lot of talk regarding the use of replays etc. in
sports of all kinds. The problem is where what level do you draw 
the line? OK, I think all test matches and one day internationals
are televised but if the internationals have this super-duper 
replay system then why can't the county (or whatever you call the
level below international) matches have it? This would cost an
awful lot of money which no-doubt would come from the pocket
of the long suffering spectator.

Although I am against the use of technology in sport there have been
a number of interesting solutions/sugestions recently.

- A while back a device was proposed that tracked the course of a 
cricket ball in flight and calculated whether or not the ball would
have hit the stumps. Apparently, it took account of spin/swing and
signalled the umpire via a wrist band which vibrated when the ball
was on target.

- Aussie TV have long used stump microphones, but a variation on that
theme was to use a bat microphone/sensor which would signal the 
umpire if the ball touched the bat.

- NFL American Football have used TV replays for a number of years. The
field judges/umpires rule on a play but can be signalled by an additional
umpire sitting in front of a TV screen if the decision looks doubtful.
There then follows a pause of thirty seconds (time for a commercial
break!) where the TV umpire reviews the play from a number of angles
and if there is *overriding* evidence the play can be reversed.
So just think - instead of the players rushing towards the umpire at
the stumps they will all charge towards the replay booth.... :-)

- You will have all noticed the electronic eye used at tennis matches
to help the line judges.


Any more examples of technological aids in sport/cricket?

Best Wishes to you all.

Rich Bodin, 
BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, England.
From: sivap-m@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU (Muhunthan Sivapragasam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Neutral Umpires
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:50:40 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci
Originator: sivap-m@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU


	I think neutral umpires are a must because then even if the umpire
makes a bad decision we can hope it is not a biased decision. If anyone
think that umpires are not biased ( it could be English, Australian,
Pakisatan, or whatever ) here is a fact for you to think about ( which I
read in Sportstar, India's # 1 sports magazine, a few years back ) :

The percentage of dismissals as LBW differs in different countries
( NewZealand has the lowest, I do not remeber about other countries ),
but in each and every test playing country percentage of LBWs given against 
the home team is less than the percentage of LBW decisions against the
visiting batsman. I do not remeber the difference in different countries,
but this clearly makes one suspicious whether umpires are really unbiased
as they are supposed to be.

							--muhunthan
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From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Nothing on the radio, yet.
Date: 26 Jul 1992 05:19:45 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Greetings cricket fans.

T4 D4 must have just started.  Anyone out there having any luck
with a radio?  I am not :-(.

There must be some very exciting cricket in store for us today.
So here is a general plea for scores and updates.



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           Pakistan Affairs Desk at the Olympic ceremonies
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Of all the sports NOT featured in these Olympics, cricket was the most
mentioned during the opening ceramonies.  Heck, we'll take any kind of
coverage.  No members of the Antiguan squad were identified but Viv
Richard's name was mentioned as their greatest athelete.  "The greatest
cricketer, their Babe Ruth," Bob Costas said.  Don Bradman's name was
seemingly disqualified in a last minute average inflation scandal, and
this must rank as one of the highest allocades ever showered upon the
Babe.  Pakistan was identified as the world champions, and Bob and the
other commentator started to quiz each other on the leg before wicket
rule, but then backed off.




Enough about that.  While Bob Costas was telling us about his understanding
of the new world order I was juggling a few numbers in my head.

Top scorers in the tour so far:

Stewart		356	89.00	(190, 74, 69*, 15, 8)
Miandad		305	61.00	(153*, 9, 0, 88, 45*, 6, 4)
Malick		364	60.67   (165, 55, 12, 34, 16, 82)
Gooch		303	60.60   (8, 69, 13, 78, 135)
Sohail		360	51.42	(18, 73, 39, 205, 1, 23, 1)
Raja		293	41.86	(47, 24, 0, 54, 88, 17, 63)
Smith		197	39.40   (127, 9, 8, 11, 42)
Mujtaba         203     29.00   (29, 59, 0, 57, 40, 7, 11)

And a few notable MIA's:

Hick		 98	19.60 	(51, 13, 11, 22, 1)
Inzamam		 47	11.75   (8*, 0, 8, 26, 5)
Ramparkash        1      0.50   (0, 1)

Has anyone been keeping the score for all the first class matches
of this tour?  How aboutdoing something similar to this?

j n a
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From: dwight@vixen.uucp (D. Williams)
Subject: Re: Double Internationals
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 20:17:48 GMT
Summary: Holding an athlete

In article <1992Jul23.170049.6552@unislc.uucp>, ramana@unislc.uucp (Ramana Ramachandran) writes:
> avs4700@zeus.tamu.edu (ANAND SRINIVASA) writes:
> : Michael Holding was a 400m runner and participated in the 
> : World University Games (not the Olympics). I am not sure
> : if he won any medal though.
> : 
> 
> [...]
> 
> : ____________
> : anand. 
> : 
> 
> I dont know if this myth is just among indians or not.Micheal Holding
> was never an athlete (well ... he is... but never particpated in 400 m).
> This confusion I believe is due to the fact (?) there was yetanudder
> holding who was an athlete from Jamica.Could somebody from WI confirm this???
> 
> ramana [ holding IS a great athlete ] ramachandran
> ramana@unislc.slc.unisys.com

Mike Holding is a great athlete.
He competed at the school level in the 400m.
He came in either 2nd or 3rd in a very close race in which another
reknown schoolboy pacer by the name of seymour newman was a participant.
It was considered at time that Newman was a faster bowler than Holding.
At the time that Holding was taking 14 wicket on a dead track in England
Newman was winning abronz in the 400m in the 1976 Olympics.
Newman gave up cricket to concentrate on running.
Holding competed with him and was right there with him and from all
indications it seems that had Holding decided to take up tracks he 
probably would have been in the running for a medal in the Olympics.
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From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: T4 D2
Date: 24 Jul 1992 06:09:40 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Pakistan 197 all out.


                             	  _\\|/_
                                 /      \
                                |  0  0  |
Aquib Javed b. Munton...........|   /\   |   (second ball)
                        	 \/    \/
                                /        \ 
                        	\  . .  /
	                          \___/     
Salim Malik 88 n.o.
Malik in the series so far has scored 370 runs (165,55,12,34,16,88*)
with an average of 74.

j n a
From: Carl.M.Jones@cm.cf.ac.uk (Carl Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Neutral Umpires ---> Pick your own !
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:02:37 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK.
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

There has been a call for neutral umpires on the net recently.  In my
opinion, if this becomes a requirement, the following scenario is possible.

	Pakistan playing (say) Australia.  Roy Palmer (neutral) umpiring.
	Aqib Javed bowls a sequence of short balls at Australian no.11, and
	is warned.

	"You haven't forgotten Old Trafford" might come the retort from Aqib
	, followed by, "we want the neutral umpires who we like !" from
	Intakab.

I am not Pakistan bashing, you may substitute any teams you like, and 
change the names used, but the principle will still be the same. 

So think of the consequences before calling for change!

Carl Jones

PS If England appointed Ray Holder and Kevin Lyons for a test, 
would there be any grounds for accusations of  white English racism ?
From: cdcs@st-andrews.ac.uk (Colin D. C. Steele)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: County Championship 1992 July 25 (Saturday)
Date: 26 Jul 92 00:01:15 GMT
Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland.


County Championship 1992 July 25 (Saturday)
Day 2 of 3

At Abergavenny
Glamorgan (5) 276 (A Dale 67, H Morris 71, GD Rose 4-59)
and 113-2 (H Morris 58*)
Somerset (7) 250-5 dec (AN Hayhurst 70)

At Cheltenham
Sussex (8) 324 (DM Smith 81, NJ Lenham 83, AP Wells 63, CA Walsh 4-39)
and 169-6 (NJ Lenham 52)
Gloucestershire (6) 221 (GD Hodgson 82, B Donelan 6-77)

At Leicester
Leicestershire (5) 193 (TJ Boon 58, MC Ilott 4w, NA Foster 4w)
and 230 (TJ Boon 52, NE Briers 61, SJW Andrew 4-54)
Essex (4) 75 (PA Nixon 4c)
and 103-0

At Lords
Middlesex (7) 366 (MA Roseberry 172, MW Gatting 90, PJ Berry 6w)
and 12-0	
Durham (3) 232 (PJ Berry 76, PCR Tufnell 5-83, JE Emburey 4-94)

At Birmingham
Nottinghamshire (7) 415-7 dec (RT Robinson 189, M Saxelby 66, GW Mike 61*)
Warwickshire (4) 232-8

At Worcester
Derbyshire (6) 246 (PD Bowler 50, JE Morris 67, SR Lampitt 4w,
                    RK Illingworth 4w)
and 52-0
Worcestershire (7) 266 (TS Curtis 86)




Matches continue Monday


CDC
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From: harish@vlsisj.uucp (Harish Balan)
Subject: Re: Cricket as an Olympic Sport
Reply-To: harish@vlsisj.uucp (Harish Balan)
Organization: Compass Design Automation/VLSI Technology, Inc. (San Jose)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 00:17:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.090951@is.morgan.com>, andyc@is.morgan.com (Andrew
Coad) writes:
|> In my opinion no team sport (with possibly the exception of the relay
- which
|> i don't classify as a *team* sport anyway) should be part of the
Olympics. The
|> Olympics was always to do with the achievement of the individual not the
|> collective efforts of the 'Harlem Globetrotters'.
|> 
|> So i'm glad cricket is not on the roster.

	Excuse me - but what about these sports

	  - Team Gymnastic Competition
	  - Soccer
	  - Pretty much all the rowing events

	What's wrong with having team sports?  If Roller Hockey (who plays this
game anyway?) can be included as an Olympic sport - why not Cricket?  

	Also, I am not sure if the Olympics were "always about individual 
achievement".  If that is the case, it ought to be changed - for the better.

	-Harish


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: slansky_doug@macn15.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Re: USA vs. Japan (update on prior post)
Organization: CSG Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:38:33 GMT


>1) No change, USA wins.
>2) Protest upheld, match overturned, Japan wins.
>3) Protest upheld, match continued as a replay of the point in question.
>

> Gene Van Buren, Kzoo Crew, Washington Univ. in St. Louis - #1 in Volleyball
>

Has anyone heard what the decision was?  Please post when the info becomes
available.  I appreciate it.

Doug.
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