HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: Shipping mishap in SEA?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: ship, BBC, Greek, mishap
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 05:01:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.042759.19990@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann) writes:
>
>The keywords and the subject title pretty much 
>sums it up.  I was listening to the BBC
>when it was about to end the world news on my SW radio .
>I heard something about a ship mishaps something
>largest in history ..#%^%^^%static$%^%&!@(*&*#* greek #%$%$&*!*
>the ship departed from Singapore. 
>
>

Ah I found a little more detail in more details.

*****
More than 120 people are still missing after a passenger liner sank
off the coast of Singapore.  The Greek cruise ship Royal Pacific  collided
with a Taiwanese fishing boat in the Straits of Malacca
*******

Errrrrr.. Taiwanese fishermen venturing so far out? 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Hudud Laws
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:10:13 GMT

honkeatc@microsoft.com (Hon Keat Chan) writes:
: 
: as a nation for very long.  Indeed, I would like to read of references
: to cases in history where a society survived without undue stresses
: caused by having two sets of laws for people within its boundaries.
: If a modern society is vulnerable to instability if there exists more
: than one unit of currency within its borders, what is there to say that
: a society can live with two sets of laws?
: I am sorry if I appear skeptical, but sometimes a engineer has to ask
: not whether something will work, but rather, for how long will it work?
A good engineer must get all facts straight and learn from history.
Singapore and Malaysia already have many sets of laws for muslims.
Brunei is even more extensive. 
Saudi Arabia and other muslim countries that try to implement hudud laws
such as Pakistan already practise it.
The early muslim empires had practised these dual set of laws. The christians
and jews in these countries still practice their religion to these days. I even
met a fire worshipper from Iran, which was the religion of Iran before Islam 
came.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: hsiahaan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Hey, Malaysians!!
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:28:27 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Aug17.040220.23064@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Shaw Goh) writes:
> 
> Anyway, does Malaysia have this Net ? 
> 

obviously, you're new in this net...  8-)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:27:08 GMT
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
X-Unparseable-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15: 26:56 -0500 (CDT)


From the keyboard of W.H. Watt, who writes:

>In article <920816202020.216010fd@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU>, SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli) writes:
>
>>   A degree is a degree is a degree, regardless the University attended.
>>   I believe most, if not all, companies and Government institutions in
>>   Malaysia offer the same salaries to graduates of any foreign University.
>
>No necessarily the case.  Engineering degrees from certain universities, 
>for example are not recognised by the Professional Engineering Board.

  I meant to refer to those degrees accredited by the Government and
  also professional engineering bodies. 

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From: H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:05:56 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 90908648@ccw204


I have a strong feeling that the Japanese people are deceived
by many of their governments. They had been deceived before
WWII, they were deceived during it, after it, now they 
(particularly the young generation) are going to be 
deceived in the future. Their government can do this
by 'modifying' the text book.

But the Chinese and people from other nations who suffered
untold misery can undo what the Japanese Government has done
by demanding an solemn apology from Emperor Akihito of Japan.

BTW, distinguish people between their government. Many Japanese
I know apologize to Chinese they work with. So they are also
victims of WWII and please don't call them Japs any more.

H.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: echoy@alfred.carleton.ca (Eugene Choy)
Subject: Re: Double Degree/ Honours Degree
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 04:56:48 GMT

In <1992Aug12.074255.3116@nuscc.nus.sg> engp2120@nusunix2.nus.sg (YONG KUEN FATT ALAN) writes:

>G'day Jeff,

>In article <1992Aug7.071330.28408@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, s1140056@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Jeffrey O. (*JEFF*)) writes:
>|> 
>|> [stuff deleted]
>|> Also, do employers (read that as MNCs or the big corporations) prefer
>|> graduates with a double degree or honours? Is a double degree at a "higher
>|> level" than an honours degree or vice versa?
>|> [stuff deleted]
>|> Personally, I feel that a graduate with a double degree would have a better
>|> chance of getting the same job as an honours grad.  Comments, views, anyone?
>Having a double degree (both Bachelor) doesnt gets you more pay.
>MNCs or big corporations will give more if your have "higher level"
>double degree. But the job market dont need these kind of
>people. If you have a double degree and dont mind getting the
>same pay with single degree holders, then you have a better
>chance of landing a job. But I guess that honours grad is much
>prefered here.

>Alan

>-----  Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life form here  -Kirk
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apolo news ada filo yed i agre lah!
From: t8914179@phillip.edu.au (John Whale)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Lyrics for Amigos Para Siempre
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:58:18 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <1992Aug15.202149.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au>, c9110440@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (not any more) writes:
> In article <charles.119@csar.uucp>, charles@csar.uucp (Charles Leong K. C.) writes:
>> Does anyone has the lyrics for the Olympic theme song "Amigos Para Siempre",
>> (Friends for life)?  I am desperately looking for it.  Could you e-mail me a 
>> copy if you have one.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Charles Leong K. C.
>> Software Engineer, CSA Research, Singapore.
>> charles%csar@uunet.uu.net
> 
> Yes, I would like them as well, if anyone has them, could you please
> send me a copy.   Preferably in English...  ;)
> 
> Fal   c9110440@wombat.newcasttle.edu.au

Yeah ... in fact ... I don't care if the lyrics is in spanish or english ...
If anyone out there have them ... please e-mail to me ... 
Thanks in advance.

-- 
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From: fellow@natinst.com (Osbert Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Hudud Laws
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:06:39 GMT
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX

In article <199208142010.AA07614@admin.keh.utulsa.edu>, sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli) writes:

>   and pertaining to their own people. Singapore and Malaysia have laws 
>   applicable only to Moslems. You have hypothesized that some degree of

I know Singaporeans of the Malay ethnic background has certain constitutional
rights, but is that consider laws applicable to them ? or merely constitutional
rights ? I am no legal expert though.

-Osbert Tan

p.s. this thread has nothing to do with the actual content of the orignal
post, ust nitpicking on my end.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: lingy@rs6221.ecs.rpi.edu (Danzig Frique)
Subject: Radio stations (Shortwave?)
Summary: Does anyone know the frequency and broadcast time
Keywords: radio, station, shortwave
Reply-To: lingy@rpi.edu
Organization: Somewhere Special
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:31:35 GMT


Does anyone out there who read this group know about the radio frequency 
and broadcast time of the radio stations in ASEAN? Malaysia? Singapore?
Indonesia? etcetc? Preferably in english 8-)

Dan
From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Asian is not Oriental --- by Anonymous
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:53:27 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <920817153409.21602b19@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU>, SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli) writes:

>   Then again, you have Oriental rugs, which invariably refer to
>   hand-woven rugs of Persian origin. Oriental food is usually

Such rugs tend to be called Persian rugs.

>   Chinese, Vietnamese, and Japanese food. Malaysian, Indonesian,
>   and Thai food are usually just that. Occidental and Oriental are
>   just convenient sociopolitical terms to refer to two distinctly 
>   different civilizations.

I guess it has to do with the UK environment.  The terms Asians and Oriental
are frequently used in the press to denote the Indian/Pakistani and Chinese
communities respectively.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: Black_Swan@MTS.RPI.EDU
Subject: Hudud Laws
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 18:58:12 EDT
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With all these discussions about the islamic law...
 
what happens in the case where the rights of a 
muslim is violated by a non-muslim or vice-versa.
Will the case be heard in an Islamic court or 
in the ``other'' court?  This area to me seems 
very shady. Which court would then have higher
juidiciary power?  Or is my question hypothetical?
 
 
 
Black Swan
Black_Swan@mts.rpi.edu
From: jzhang@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Need help in immigration problem
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:29:59 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

Hi there, I have some question concerning immigration problem.

I hold a Malaysia passport, but my wife holds a P.R.of China passport.

Anyone knows what I need in order to get back to Malaysia.

Do I need to declaire my wife condition to the embassy.

Or is there any services I can get help with?





Thanks in advanced

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: whitlock@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Reid E. Whitlock)
Subject: INTERNET IN INDONESIA ??
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:03:31 GMT

I am a professor at the Darden Graduate School of Business at the University 
of Virginia. We have a "link" program of sorts with IPMI (Institut 
Pengambangan Managemen Indonesia) when I was there during June and July, I 
worked in vain with their system operator to try for a packet switch or 
other "back door" INDOSAT link to the INTERNET system. We were not very 
successful. 

I have not seen any Indonesian addresses in this group. Are there ***any*** 
INTERNET accounts in Jakarta that IPMI could call into/ get an account with 
etc... as a way of making contact with the outside world generally and U. 
Va. specifically?

I was told to contact some consortium in Hawaii that is involved in putting 
several Pacific Rim countries "on0line". I haven't pursued this yet, but 
would be interested in whether anyone else has worked with this organization.

Reid Whitlock
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: Give credits to Othman Ahmad
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
	<KYTAN.92Aug10105449@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com>
	<1992Aug11.104643.19326@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:01:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.104643.19326@doug.cae.wisc.edu> beng@cae.wisc.edu (Beng Ting) writes:

	   What are the basic elements of sarcasm? Just curious...

Sigh.  Might I suggest using an English dictionary as starters?  Then, for the
finer points, I'd recommend a course in Logic, Rhetoric and Argumentative
Writing.  Of course, reading acidic Op Ed pieces always adds new ideas to
one's arsenal.  Then, there is this book entitled "The Superior Person's Book of
Words" by Peter Bowler.  Great for a laugh and to learn new useful words.  For
those more Latin inclined, there's "Latin for All Occasions" by Henry
Beard...very hilarious.




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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.thai,soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,rec.travel
From: tan@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Ryan Tan)
Subject: Re: Cheap airfares to Asia
Organization: NEC America, Inc. Irving, Texas
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:59:32 GMT

In article <Bt39J4.1MJ@cs.columbia.edu> ong@cs.columbia.edu (Jueychong Ong) writes:
>Hi. I just read several AP and UPI and Reuters reports announcing reductions
>on airfares to several Asian destinations on Northwest Airlines.
>
>According to these articles:
>
>- prices reduced from 38% to 47% off "supersaver prices".
>- destinations are Bangkok, Beijing, Seoul, Shanghai, Singapore and Taipei.
>- valid originating points are all 50 states in the US and Toronto, Montreal
>  and Winnipeg in Canada.
>- there is a change or cancellation fee of US$200.
>- minimum stay: 6 days. maximum stay: 21 days.
>- fares available for purchase: Aug 15 to Sep 8.
>- fares valid for travel: Sep 18 to Dec 7 or Jan 11 to Feb 15
>                          (starts Sep 28 for travel from Canada)
>                          (travel to Beijing and Shanghai must be Jan11-Feb15)
>                          [I'd ask the airline to be sure]
>
>The reports gave some sample airfares:
>    roundtrip Chicago-Seoul: US$798
>    roundtrip New York-Bangkok: US$858
>    roundtrip Los Angeles-Taipei: US$598
>
>
>A United Airlines spokesman said they would "remain competitive".
>
>
>--jc
>ong@cs.columbia.edu
>

I just verified with my travel agent, she said the fare for 

	round trip DFW - Singapore  ~$856.00

I wonder if it would be lower if we get the ticket from the consolidators like
the travel agents from California.

						- ryan -
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From: rhodes@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu (Michael Rhodes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.thai,soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,rec.travel
Subject: Re: Cheap airfares to Asia
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:55:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: uinpla.0095F557.D91B69A0
Reply-To: rhodes@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu (Michael Rhodes)
Distribution: na
Organization: Nuclear Physics Laboratory, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

In article <1992Aug18.154614.20797@macc.wisc.edu>, nmrdb@vms.macc.wisc.edu (BEVERLY SEAVEY) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.075412.516@news.acns.nwu.edu>, staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers) writes...
>
>>In article <16q8o9INN1o3@agate.berkeley.edu> chriskim@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chris M. Kim) writes:
>>>	Stay away from Northwest or "Northworst" as I have learned from my 
>>>	horrid experience I had a year ago in going to Seoul.  The flight 
>>>	was actually quite pleasant.  However, everything that was not 
>>>
>>>	The moral of this post is STAY AWAY FROM NORTHWORST!
>> 
>>Gee...I am doing NYC-Tokyo, the Tokyp-Beijing, then Hong Kong-Tokyo
>>starting tomorrow.  First class with FF miles.  I'll let you know how
>>good or bad it was when I get back.
>> 
>>--Ken
>I recently traveled to Hong Kong via Tokyo, then back via Seoul  on Northwest.
>No problems, whatsoever.

I too have traveled NW several times across the Pacific, LAX-NRT-SIN,
SIN-NRT-LAX, LAX-NRT-BKK etc.  and have settled in to specifically requesting
NW because it has been zero hassles and fine service both air and ground. The
only airline I would prefer over it is Singapore Airlines but they are too
expensive.  All airlines can be problematic at different times.

--Mike
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ksoong@nyx.cs.du.edu (Tata)
Subject: Re: Hudud Laws
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 06:35:42 GMT

In article <10649867.3.713680949@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> @eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (GIJSBERT CHOW) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug11.004452.19108@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> hquah@nyx.cs.du.edu (He-Man Quah) writes:
>>>>
>>>>Could anybody post what actually Hudud law stated.
>>>>
>>>>How about those evils who corrupt, swindle, fraud the public funds, 
>>>>do their hand need to be amputated ?
>>>>
>>>>To be honest, how many of us haven't had experienced of giving "kopi duit" to
>>>                                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>>>	You bribed the police??? Aiyah!!!
>>>	Yes! The hand should be amputated and the body dismembered!!^8) 
>>>
>>>
>>>Happy! Happy!
>>>Ting Beng Tak
>>>beng@cae.wisc.edu
>>
>>
>>	Are you sure?? If the corrupted officers' hand should be amputated,
>> then I should guess that half of the population in Malaysia will become
>> disable people!!!
>>
>>--
>>K C Tham
In article  innocent_boy@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (GIJSBERT CHOW) writes:
>       We all know corruption is a problem in Malaysia.It takes two to 
>perform such acts. 

Yes, I agree with your above two statements. 

Therefore stop giving `duit-kopi' the next time you are 
>stopped by a police for commiting a traffic offence. Pay the fine. Bangsa 
>Tegas Negara Teguh. 
>G T Tan.

But often, things are not that simple in this complicated world. Changing
a person's behaviour is difficult not to mention a nation. 

I think you are suggesting a bottom-up solution, would it not be
better to follow a top down approach?


1988 Hari Kebangsaan motto

Memimpin melalui tauladan (some sort like that) :-&

T G Nat
From: hra2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Hibatur Rahman Ahmad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Hudud Laws
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:21:26 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


>I'm not an expert in Islamic jurispudence but I tend to disagree with the
>ulamak in Malaysia. I base my judgemnet on what I read in hadith and quran.
>Quran is the word of god so cannot be challanged, but its interpretation can
>be tricky, but quran is meant to be simple so the simplest literal meaning
>should be taken.
>
>Hadith is the words and actions of our prophet Muhammad. since he is just a
>human being and the records are not as well organised as the quran, it should
>be given less weight especially if it contradicts the quran.
>

I hope you will learn more about Quran and Hadis so that one day you will
become an expert in Islamic jurispudence and can explain it well, at least to
the Singaporeans who are ignorant about Islam.

Hibatur Rahman Ahmad

p/s ...I wonder what ulamak means...and what is their role in the society...
to be the "YES MAN" for the government???
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: sya@admin.keh.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli)
Subject: Re: Hudud Laws
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:28:22 GMT


From the keyboard of Leong Weng Ng, who writes:

>	I think Mr. Chan has raised a very pertinent point
>here. Even if Hudud laws are implemented with the utmost
>scrupulousness and fairness, I think it will still cause
>a fracture in the identity, if nothing else, of the nation
>of Malaysia. The potential for such a fracture is made even
>more significant when we consider the fact that Malays are
>constitutionally linked to Islam (a fact previously raised
>by another netter). This could serve to widen any existing
>gulf between Malaysian Malays and Malaysians of other races.

  This is all very well, but do please give examples where
  coexisting sets of laws have "fractured" the identity of
  a nation. In all fairness, I can only say that your 
  hypotheses might turn out to be correct, but they are just
  mere speculations, and history does not seem to concur with
  you. You use grand words of discourse such as "[national]
  identity" and "fracture", but where do these entities come in
  eventually? The crux of the issue is stability, and we have
  examples of this throughout the world. Identity is not forged
  by the uniformity of a nation's laws, nor is it a reflection of
  it. Identity is very much stability, from whence it originates.

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