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From: mark@infocomm.com
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: Re: vmsnet.posix?
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:24:11 PDT
Organization: INFO COMM - Computer Consulting, Redwood City, Ca

In article <91866@bu.edu>, TEWKSBURY@BUDSGA.BU.EDU (Chip Tewksbury) writes:
> How about adding a discussion group to this hierarchy dealing with issues
> surrounding VMS Posix?  It could be cover a broad range of topics dealing with
> issues such as:
> 
> 	1.  system management of a VMS Posix system
> 	2.  VMS Posix programming
> 	3.  Mixed DCL/ VMS-Posix usage
> 	4.  Useful VMS/POSIX tidbits
> 
> If that's a bit too broad for people's liking, a sub-sub-hierachies could be
> constructed. E.g.:   vmsnet.posix.sysadmin
> 				 .programming
> 				 .mixed_dcl_posix
> 		  		 .tidbits
> 
> What do you think?
> 			Chip Tewksbury.

How about having some discussions about VMS Posix in the main stream
heirarchies (comp.os.vms, or anywhere else in vmsnet), BEFORE we create groups
to discuss these things.  Once such discussions are reasonably active enough,
we can then decide to separate them into what ever groups might then be
appropriate.

--
Mark Pizzolato - INFO COMM Computer Consulting, Redwood City, Ca
PHONE:	(415)369-9366	UUCP:  decwrl!infopiz!mark or uunet!lupine!infopiz!mark
DOMAIN:	mark@infocomm.com
From: edana@pearl.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: Undelete program needed!
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:13:07 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

URGENT! URGENT! URGENT!! URGENT!!!

Some critical files have been purged from a FIles-11 disk and need to
be 'undeleted'. The disk has NOT been written onto since the purge.
So what I need ASAP (if not sooner) is a file un-deletion program.
The caveat is that there are HUNDREDS of versions of the file
to undelete. An executable and/or source (if avalable) would be of great
help. Thanks in advance. Please mail to me directly.

Eric Dana
Mgr. Academic Systems Programming
Tufts Univ.
e-mail: edana@pearl.tufts.edu
From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: Re: vmsnet.posix?
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:32:22 GMT
Organization: Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego, CA

In article <1992Jul24.212411.13734@infocomm.com>, mark@infocomm.com writes:
> How about having some discussions about VMS Posix in the main stream
> heirarchies (comp.os.vms, or anywhere else in vmsnet), BEFORE we create groups
> to discuss these things.  Once such discussions are reasonably active enough,
> we can then decide to separate them into what ever groups might then be
> appropriate.

This makes some sense; however, sometimes the point of creating a new group
is to attract traffic that isn't there in the first place.  

	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
uucp 'g' protocol guru and release coordinator, VMSnet (DECUS uucp) W.G., and 
Chair, VMS Programming and Internals Working Group, U.S. DECUS VAX Systems SIG 
Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or jeh@crash.cts.com
Uucp:  ...{crash,eisner,uunet}!cmkrnl!jeh
From: fooz@elm.lle.rochester.edu (Steve Hespelt)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: Re: vmsnet.posix?
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:43:51 GMT
Reply-To: fooz@elm.lle.rochester.edu (Steve Hespelt)
Organization: UofR Laboratory for Laser Energetics

In article <1992Jul27.142517.1@highd.enet.dec.com>, fisher@highd.enet.dec.com 
writes:
[stuf deleted...]
>I disagree to a point here - if a user logs into the POSIX shell and never
>touches DCL or VMS library functions, this is true, but a VMSNET.POSIX for the
>discussion of VMS Posix, and how to interoperate between VMS and VMS Posix
>(i.e. calling shell from DCL, DCL from shell, file name string scan hints and
>kings, etc) would not be appropriate in the comp.unix heiarchy - in fact many
>comp.unix folks may be offended by the mere presense of VMS'ers asking a bunch
>of questions that are "irrelavent to a real UN*X system."
>
>My vote would be for a VMSNET.POSIX, even if the traffic doesn't warrant it, it
>would announce the category of questions, and may get more specific readership.
> 
>-- 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Lawrence Fisher                      Realtime Software Specialist
>Fisher@HIGHD.ENET.DEC.COM            Digital Equipment Corporation
>                                     Ridgecrest, CA
>*   This message reflects my own views/opinions, not those of my company    *
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I agree strongly with Mr. Fisher on this.
-steve
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                250 East River Rd. Rochester, NY  14623
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From: richard@npri6.npri.com (Richard Head)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: Re: vmsnet.posix?
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:37:07 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

TEWKSBURY@BUDSGA.BU.EDU (Chip Tewksbury) writes:

#>How about adding a discussion group to this hierarchy dealing with issues
#>surrounding VMS Posix?  It could be cover a broad range of topics dealing with
#>issues such as:

I am in favor, but only for the subgroup vmsnet.posix.  I really don't see this
group increasing in volume for another year, when more people start discovering
VMS Posix, and when some of the bugs are resolved.
-- 
richard@npri6.npri.com  <Richard Head>
I've fallen and I can't reach my beer!
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
From: jswartz@mbunix.mitre.org (Swartz)
Subject: Gnuchess for the Mac
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: gnu.chess
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:09:02 GMT

I've recently obtained a copy of Gnuchess for the Mac from a FTP site 

I have a question for anyone who may have used this concerning the 
opening book.

Is it possible to modify the opening book file (gnuchess.book) using a
text editor (such as Microsoft Word) that the application will recognize?

Will I have to recompile Gnuchess to do this (I currently don't have a
C compiler on my Mac)?

If this is possible, I'd like to be able to tailor the opening book so
that I can practice my favorite openings.  Has anyone out there done this?


-- 
JOHN A. SWARTZ - The MITRE Corp. Bedford, MA * John_Swartz@iegate.mitre.org
"One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
 One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them."  J.R.R. Tolkien
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
From: bcrawfor@sol.UVic.CA (Bryan Crawford)
Subject: nice interface for PCs?
Organization: University of Victoria
Distribution: na
Date: 26 Jul 92 09:10:36 GMT

Greetings...I just FTP'ed gnuchess from wuarchive, and am quite impressed.
Although I haven't the programming skill to comprehend the intricacies of
it archetecture, I can certainly appreciate the power of this chess
engine.  The interface however, although functional, leaves a little to
be desired.

I understand that it is designed to interface with Sun's Chesstool, and that
xboard is annother interface for the Sun, but being a PC-peon, I haven't
access to these :-(

I wonder if anybody knows of a good graphics interface (preferably with
mouse support) which has been written for PCs.  I'm afraid that writing
such a thing is far beyond my abilities as a programmer.

Cheers
-- 

bcrawfor@Sol.UVic.CA  -- member of the society for simple .signatures (SSS)
From: pierce@radius.com (Pierce T. Wetter III)
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
Subject: MultiProcessing GnuChess?
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:01:07 GMT
Distribution: gnu


   I'm working on a multiprocessor system, so I've been wondering what would
 have to be done to GnuChess to make it capable of multiprocessing.


  What would be the best algorithm for doing that?

  A Pipeline Approach:


    Machine1             Machine2             Machine3
    --------             --------             --------

  Move Generation  --> MoveEvaluation  -->  Tree Pruning


  A more Parallel approach:


    M1                M2             M3

  MoveGen             MoveEval       MoveEval
    Pruning

   Data flows from M1 simultaneously to M2 and M3, when evaluations
    are completed, they send result back.


 
  The Problem as I see it is that game programs tend to think of
  a bunch of one ahead moves, then eliminates some of those, then think of
  2 ahead moves etc. This is harder to divide evenly and quickly, it would
  be better to cut off whole branches of the tree for a processor to work
  through. 


 
  Perhaps a hybrid approach where the other processors select promising
  moves and search them to greater depths, while the main processor is
  filling in the search tree?


  This is all based on the last time I looked at the GnuChess source,
  which was about version 2.0 I think. (I don't have FTP access anymore)

   Any thoughts from people more familar with GnuChess?

Pierce  
-- 
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You can get me at radius!pierce@apple.com.
(Wha'ja want? Some cute signature file? Hah! I have real work to do.
Xref: sparky gnu.chess:338 rec.games.chess:5602
Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center
Date: Sunday, 26 Jul 1992 14:48:25 CDT
From: <K3006E7@ALIJKU11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: gnu.chess,rec.games.chess
Subject: Gnu Chess 4.0

Would some kind soul care to compile Gnu Chess 4.0 executable
for an IBM PC and put it somewhere where it is acessible by ftp
(or zoo-ed/uuencoded and posted to gnu.chess).
I do not have access to a Sun workstation etc. or the know-how
to get gnuchess-4.0.pl55.tar.Z working on the PC.  But I assume
it is doable as I have seen working versions of 3.1 running on
a friend's 486.
From: mann@src.dec.com (Tim Mann)
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
Subject: Re: Gnuchess and xboard: I need a clue
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:57:08 GMT
Reply-To: mann@src.dec.com
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center

In article <1992Jul21.153046.1090@dazixco.ingr.com>, doak@sunbug.ingr.com (Doak Heyser) writes:
>
>
>   I've got Gnuchess 4.0 patchlevel 55 and Xboard 2.0 and can't seem to
>get them talking to each other.  I'm on a Sun sparc under SunOS
>4.1.1 and have compiled both packages using GCC 2.0.  When I run xboard
>a window comes up with the board and pieces but the only command button
>I see is the one that says 'Machine Black' (and it is highlighted).
>Nothing else happens.  If I do a ps I see that gnuchess and xboard are
>running:
>
> ...

My response was:
> From the symptoms you describe, xboard is stuck waiting for gnuchessx
> to output "Chess\n" down the pipe that connects the two programs.
> I can't say why, however.  Let us know if you find the problem.

And Doak says now:
>    Thanks for the response.  Another reader suggested I put 
> gnuchess.[lang, book, hash] in my designated LIBDIR and it
> worked.  I already had the *lang and *book but I had to add
> by hand the *hash with a 'touch gnuchess.hash'.   Thanks again.

I don't really understand why this worked, but there it is for anyone else it
might help.

	--Tim
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
From: CARLSON@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Subject: Gnu Chess on Windows
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:48:17 GMT

I recently obtained a copy of Gnu Chess for Windows and it works just fine.
Is there any documentation concerning what the various configuration options
do?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
David L. Carlson                         Phone: (409) 845-4044
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From: engelhardt@nbivax.nbi.dk
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
Subject: Wishful thinking: Gnu chess on VMS??
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:59:05 GMT
Organization: Niels Bohr Institute and Nordita, Copenhagen


                                         NBI/Aleph, Copenhagen, 27-JUL-1992

Wishful thinking: Has anybody managed to compile gnu chess on a VAX/VMS??
Please let me know.

        --- Allan.

Internet:     Allan.Engelhardt@nbi.dk        |  Allan Engelhardt
HEPnet:       NBIVAX::ENGELHARDT             |  Niels Bohr Institute
Bitnet/EARN:  ENGELH at CERNVM               |  Blegdamsvej 17
Phone direct: (+45)31424284<dial-tone>355    |  DK-2100 Copenhagen
Fax:          (+45)31421016                  |  DENMARK
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
From: doak@sunbug.ingr.com (Doak Heyser)
Subject: Gnuchess and xboard: I need a clue
Reply-To: doak@sunbug.dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:30:46 GMT



   I've got Gnuchess 4.0 patchlevel 55 and Xboard 2.0 and can't seem to
get them talking to each other.  I'm on a Sun sparc under SunOS
4.1.1 and have compiled both packages using GCC 2.0.  When I run xboard
a window comes up with the board and pieces but the only command button
I see is the one that says 'Machine Black' (and it is highlighted).
Nothing else happens.  If I do a ps I see that gnuchess and xboard are
running:

	3336 p8 S     0:00 xboard
	3337 p8 S     0:00 gnuchessx 40 5

   If I kill gnuchess then the rest of the command buttons in the xboard
window appear and they work fine although I get a message that says:
'xboard:  first chess program (gnuchessx) exited unexpectedly.  If I
run xboard with the -noChessProgram TRUE option xboard runs fine.  If I
run gnuchessx by hand it appears to run fine.  
   I've changed many of the options in my app-defaults/XBoard resources
file and they all work except for this problem with gnuchess and xboard
together.  Since no else seems to be having this problem I imagine it's
me doing something stupid (very likely).  Does anyone have any clues?
Thanks.

- Doak Heyser
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
From: dwight@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dwight Robert Stone)
Subject: Two players on different terminal chess?
Summary: Is there a Unix version of chess for two players on seperate terms?
Keywords: two players terminals
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:56:34 GMT

I was wondering if there was a version of chess available on Unix that would
allow two players to play each other from seperate terminals? (a la the Unix
version of hearts).  It would also be nice if there was a chess game that
allowed you to play bug house (Four player partner speed chess where pieces
captured by your partner, who plays the opposite color from you on a
seperate board, can be used on your board (taking one move to place the
peice)).  Prefer a response in e-mail at dwight@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu  Thanks
for your time.

Dwight
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
From: doak@sunbug.ingr.com (Doak Heyser)
Subject: Re: Gnuchess and xboard: I need a clue
Reply-To: doak@sunbug.dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:38:29 GMT


In article <1992Jul21.153046.1090@dazixco.ingr.com>, doak@sunbug.ingr.com (Doak Heyser) writes:
>
>together.  Since no else seems to be having this problem I imagine it's
>me doing something stupid (very likely).  Does anyone have any clues?
>Thanks.
>

   A reader has solved this problem for me (thanks again Leo!).  I needed
to have the file gnuchess.hash in my designated LIBDIR directory.  'Make 
install' didn't put one there and I never used the hash table option.
A 'touch gnuchess.hash' solved the problem.

   Just in case anyone was curious ...


- Doak
From: sastry@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
Subject: compiling problem with Xchess. Any help?
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:15:24 GMT
Distribution: usa


I copied Xchess from one of the ftp sites and then tried to compile
using make. It gives me some problem like this
gcc -O -o xchess xchess.o board.o button.o clock.o control.o jail.o message.o parse.o popup.o
 program.o record.o std.o valid.o window.o XCircle.o scrollText.o \
 -loldX -lX11 -z -lX -lm
 ld: No such file or directory for xchess.o
 make: *** [xchess] Error 1

 Any Help? 
 Thanks in advance.

 Ravi
From: KPS1@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
Subject: Help! (Logging on to the chess-server at assumption college)
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:21:15 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Hi Chess fans,

              I've been trying to logon to the chess-server located at assumpti
on college, but with no success. I get a message saying that names can consist
of only lower and upper case letters when I type in any name at the login promp
t. Could anyone who has used this, help me. Thanks.
                                                        Sandeep
From: rdong@PLAYMATE.MAT.JHU.EDU (Rui - Tao  Dong)
Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
Subject: Re: test from JHU
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:31:08 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Johns Hopkins University.


In article <2A781727.23325@noiro.acs.uci.edu> kyashimo@sanger.bio.uci.edu (Kenneth Yoshimoto) writes:
Path: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu!blaze.cs.jhu.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.claremont.edu!ucivax!noiro.acs.uci.edu!sanger.bio.uci.edu!kyashimo
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   This is a test to ca.
   --
   Kenneth Yoshimoto
   kyashimo@darwin.bio.uci.edu
From: rdong@PLAYMATE.MAT.JHU.EDU (Rui - Tao  Dong)
Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
Subject: Re: test from JHU
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:33:05 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Johns Hopkins University.


In article <2A781727.23325@noiro.acs.uci.edu> kyashimo@sanger.bio.uci.edu (Kenneth Yoshimoto) writes:
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU finger
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:45:23 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <Brspxt.19o@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> ehmeier@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Erich Meier) writes:
>No, it's no protocol. GNU finger sends binary structures over the
>net, which MUST fail on different endians on the net.

I managed to fix some of this, once, although I might not have gotten
it all. But GNU finger had so many other bugs we had to turn it off.

>Therefore I implemented the cfinger-"protocol" on top of Sun's RPC
>mechanism.  That makes finger much more reliable and faster, too.

neat solution.

>I also fixed a few bugs and made extentions to GNU finger.  For
>coordinating my changes with the GNU finger developers, I tried to
>communicate with the author and failed. So maybe I'll release my own
>version.

My impression is that GNU finger is dead. One version of the software
was release, a long time ago, and it was totally buggy. No one's done
any official work to make it better.

It's a shame, because the basic idea is really nice. While I'm not a
member of the FSF and don't have any right to say anything about this,
I think that the world would be grateful if you released (and
supported?) a working version of GNU finger. I guess you shouldn't
call it GNU finger until you get the official stamp of approval.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/              Death needs time for what it kills to grow in
From: patrick@ERC.MsState.Edu
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Unix Review of GCC
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:48:28 GMT
Organization: /usr/home/patrick/.organization


I haven't seen the review yet, but it sounds pretty weak.
Anyone have their address so we can write letters
(snail or e-mail)?
(After we have read the review, of course....)

							Patrick Bridges
							patrick@erc.msstate.edu
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: jeffrey@algor2.algorists.com (Jeffrey Kegler)
Subject: Re: What ever happened to the AT&T XWindow backing store threat ???
Reply-To: jeffrey@algor2.algorists.com (Jeffrey Kegler)
Organization: Algorists, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 05:27:19 GMT

In article <4798@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> ralph@falcon.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ralph Becker-Szendy) writes:
>What ever happened to the threat by AT&T (about 1.5 or 2 years ago) to
>extract royalties from XWindow implementations using backing store,
>due to an AT&T (Rob Pike et al.) patent which included (in rather
>wishy-washy language) some form of backing storage for windows?

"Silicon Valley Report", a just-cancelled PBS show here quoted AT&T
shortly thereafter as saying their letter on the subject did not
evidence any inclination on their part to take legal action -- though
I for one was hard put to read it any other way than as the usual
lawyerly polite-but-firm letter intended to threaten legal action, if
not preceed it.

Perhaps reaction, on this news group and elsewhere, made AT&T feel the
dubious benefits of the lawsuit were outweighed by the certainty of a
extremely negative reaction among at least a small group of current
and potential customers.  Or perhaps it's case of my totally
misinterpreting what's happening in the industry (neither the first or
last time for that).


-- 

Jeffrey Kegler, Independent UNIX Consultant, Algorists, Inc.
jeffrey@algor2.ALGORISTS.COM or uunet!algor2!jeffrey
137 E Fremont AVE #122, Sunnyvale CA 94087
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: wolfgang@wsrcc.com (Wolfgang S. Rupprecht)
Subject: Re: e-lisp
Organization: W S Rupprecht Computer Consulting, Fremont CA
Distribution: gnu
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:45:48 GMT

rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Richard Stallman) writes in gnu.emacs.sources:
>It's not a good idea to use "Elisp" as an abbreviation for "Emacs
>Lisp", because "Elisp" is somebody's trademark.

Is it time for a League For Speech Freedom?

Are we really going to put up with some MegaCorporation trademarking
all the useful short descriptive words, and leaving us only the
long-and-cumbersome droppings?

How does all this square away with the first amendment, which prevents
the government from harassing anyone on the content of their speech?

-wolfgang
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Snail Mail:           39469 Gallaudet Drive, Fremont, CA 94538-4511
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: leisner@trianguli (Marty Leisner 311/? x?)
Subject: Msdos GNUISH
Reply-To: leisner.henr801c@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:48:28 GMT

I   just recently got a PC and am looking for GNU software to run on it...

I'm aware of the GNUish project, and looked on some archive sites (oak and simtel).

Most of the archives are from October, 1990...

What's the status?



--
marty
leisner.henr801c@xerox.com  
Member of the League for Programming Freedom
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: del@giant.INTraNet.COM (G. Del Merritt)
Subject: Re: What is LPF position on AT&T v. BSDI?
Organization: GNUs Not Usenet
Distribution: gnu
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 19:01:21 GMT

In-reply-to: UUCP%"adagio!grog@saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu" 's message of 26-JUL-1992 11:32:46.69
>not LPF's charter to take sides in battles between commercial
>companies. A side effect of this dispute, however, is much more
>sinister: AT&T claims that, if you have been exposed to UNIX source
>code, you can't develop any related product which is not in some way
>UNIX-tainted and thus requires a UNIX license. This is effectively a
>career-limiting action. Since nearly every computer science student
>has been exposed to UNIX sources in some form, the effect of a
>precedent here could be monumental, and would definitely stand in no
>relationship to the real importance of the code.

Gee.  How much of UNIX(tm) has been published in K&R's C gospel(s)?
To drive the point home, who here has _never_ looked at "The C
Programming Language"?

Del Merritt	del@IntraNet.com	ccavax!giant!del
IntraNet, Inc., 255 Washington Street, Newton, MA  02158
Voice: 617-527-7020; FAX: 617-527-6779
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss