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From: youngj4@vccnw14.its.rpi.edu (Jeffrey 'Taldin' Young)
Subject: The Difference Injure, II
Organization: Rendslayer Pullyourchainticked Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:09:01 GMT


    
Taldin wanders back in, disgruntled.  "A whole TABLE of them, now."
*shakes his head* "I was at dinner, on the line, and I had a whole
bunch of them whistling at me, to which I made no notice whatsoever.

He sighs.  "I'm not encouraging them.  I'm not even looking.  I've
said something all of thrice.  All year.  They're their own encouragement.
The problem is, there are lots of them.   They think it's funny.
I'm not going to change."

"I remember a friend of mine back in high school- somewhere in his
sophmore year he used a bow as a sign of respect.  Since he was
Indian, this was nothing wrong in his book.  But those people who
saw it differently came to expect it from him, and I don't know
whether he saw them ridiculing his beliefs or not, but it
sickened me hearing them asking him to bow for them before even 
a greeting.  I am NOT gonna give them that opening.  I am not going
to acknowledge that their image of me I even *marginally* accept."

He nods.  "I acknowledge that height and strength isn't going to help
me, either, being the non-violent type.  A slip on my part, but
a one of feeling helpless to stop the jibes.  And they AREN'T trying
to be friendly.   If they were, they'd say, 'Did you know you look like
Robin Hood?'  Not, 'Robin Hood!' raucously.  Wonder where I got the points
of Bad Stuff I seem to have now.  And as an empath, I think I am 
a well enough judge of who is openminded enough to be corrected.  I recall
now that these would be the people who I stopped visiting my old 
high school because- or rather, a generation of people who grew up in
the 'me' continuum and have egoes like their left boot.  Do I have
the right to judge them as a group?  YES.  Because they're judging me
as a group.  Because not one of them has the heart or mind t'think that
maybe I'm ignoring them because it hurts.  I don't like being the
source of someone else's jokes.  Which is why I don't like comedians
who use racial jokes as their prime source of yuks.  Whatever happened
to 'respect your fellow human?'

oh. maybe it's because I'm not human. :P

He sighs. "13 more school days, plus 5 more for finals.  Plus 3 or 4
weekends.  26 days.  That's all.  And then they'll never see me 
again unless I come visiting, which I doubt highly.  Stupid people
shouldn't breed.  Sigh.

Sudrith noses the young man consolingly.                    
<< Brave heart, Taldin. >>

Taldin and Suds.

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TTTTT AA    LL DDDD   II   II NN      "I don't believe in a religion
   TT  AA   LL DD  D  II   II NNNN      that doesn't believe in me."
  TT  AAAA  LL DD   D   II II NN NN        Taldin The Blue Unicorn
 TT  AA  AA LL DDDDDD IIIIII  NN  NN          youngj4@pawl.rpi.edu
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From: tje3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: Lamplighter's Re-Introduction
Originator: tje3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Reply-To: tje3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Tammy Jo Eckhart)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:13:47 GMT

Mike van Keulen writes:

>Splash walks up to the Lamplighter and introduces himself.  "Hi - I'm
>Splash, the resident marine biologist.  I've only been here a few months,
>and so I guess I'm a newby to you.  Welcome back ... how about a refill
>and a hug?"

	"Well, hello there, Splash," says the Lamplighter.  "I've been around
since ... um ... wow, late 'ninety.  Except for a couple months I just
recently missed.  I was a physics grad student, and now I'm working in a
library."

	He looks into his glass, which is empty.  "A refill?  What was that I
just drank, anyway?  A hug?  Now, that's less confusing."  He and Splash hug
the hug of new acquaintances, which around here looks just like the hug of
old friends.

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The Lamplighter             |"There's only so many times you can type 'Pat
(Tom Lee)                   | Buchanan' into a word processor before the
tje3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu | system crashes."                    -- Love & War
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:18:11 -0500 
From: Mark Beirne Lively <ml5a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Another introduction...
	<102356@bu.edu>

	Relgion again...  Oh well it was bound to show up.  
	I am a Christian and I do my best to live up to the ideals and
teachings.  I do my best to love everyone and to my knowledge I hate
noone.  I am not perfect and I often wind up hurting people almost never
through conscious intent(I am not perfect)  But usually through
thoughtless.
	I believe that there is one and only one right.  Only one road up the
mountain.  But in addition I believe that being wrong wrong does not
make you evil. 
	I believe in a just and benovolent God.  One that would die to save
even one of us much less all of us.  I don't believe that he would be so
arogant as to demand belief to be rescued.
	I believe in God's omnipotence.  I believe that it does not neccisarily
contradict science and that God has decided not ot intervene in modern
times, for our good.  So that we can evolve into what we are supposed to
be.  So that we can learn to love and care for one another.
	I belive in a human God.  God made man in his own image.  He became
man.  This leads me to believe that God may make mistakes and there are
a couple of sources which kind of back me up.  Firsty of all the flood
story.  God was going to wipe out mankind but decided to save a few,
when he could have just as easily started over again.  And when The
isrealites were wandering in the desert several times it says that God
repented of his plans.
	I believe that God gave us the law for a reason.  It was supposed to be
a guide to was is right.  Most of the laws can be seen as an attempt to
improve human behavior. Or to make the followers of these laws pillars
of the community.  For instance if you have the strictest set of dietary
laws around there is no way that anyone could complain.  BUt as I rember
the Zoroastians(sp?)  HAd a much stricter code.  Other laws were common
sense health matters, making latrines away from campsites...  Then there
were laws to make sure that the people were not going to be swallowed up
by surrounding cultures.  Take a look at hinduism in its developement. 
It absorbed local dieties into its pantheon or claimed that it was
another manisfestion of Shiva, or Vishnu.  All of the laws have some
common sense grounding.  Which may or may not be applicable today.

	I'll leave on this thought.  Fundamental Christianity and Buddhism are
very similar in one respect.  Fundamental Christians believe that all
people deserve to go to hell for eternity.  Buddhist belive this has
already happened(Well not quite for eternity just for a very very very
long time)

-I remember the the glory days when we sat with the king.
Dining on meh yams and washing it down with red rum.
ML5A@andrew.cmu.edu Bear aka the Lord High Rulebender
From: ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Date: 16 Nov 1992 04:33:49 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: world
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Speaker-To-Minerals sayeth...
>It's been my experience that there's frequently a vast gulf
>between what Christians pay lip service to and what they actually do.  When
>they start claiming the stuff to which a large number of Christians only pay 
>lip service as one of the accomplishments of Christianity, I won't let that 
>pass unchallenged, especially when there are many non-Christians who actually 
>DO what so many Christians only talk about.

Well, to be fair, isn't it the case that the vast majority of people fail 
(sometimes by a large amount) to live up to their professed ideals?  I know
there are times when I've caught myself, before or after the fact ...

No-one's perfect.  I will pay a certain amount of respect to a person who
has a set of morals, tries to live up to it, and fails.

As another aside ...  Christianity has historically been a missionary
religion (one of few).  So you could say that someone who tries to 'spread
the word' is living up to some of the traditional values of the religion.
Similarly, since the Christian God is quoted as calling himself a jealous
God, it's unlikely that someone who believes those quotes is going to admit
the possible validity of other moral systems.

Obviously, there are branches of Christianity which don't attempt to spread
themselves or deny other ways of salvation!  You just don't tend to hear
much of them ...

Pax?
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From: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov (Cybernetic Samurai)
Subject: Sci Fi Stories
Reply-To: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:42:17 GMT

In article <By3nD2.M06@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> kitten pipes up...."i don't even have to switch to conan for this...it
|> was _a wrinkle in time_ ....a wonderful book."
|> 

Cyber bows to kitten and says "Ahh, yes.  That is it.  It is still one
of my all time favorites."

"I have just finished reading Hyperion/Fall of Hyperion by Dan Simmons,
anyone else read that?  I thought it was pretty good but the ending was
weak unless he is going to do another sequel."

"I would saay that my favorite Sci Fi of all time  ( this is really hard
:)) would be Macroscope by Piers Anthony.  But it really is a tough
call."

-- 
Doug                   

Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can 
do for your country.  - JFK
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From: maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk (Mary Branscombe)
Subject: Re: Science and god: Are they incompatible? If so, why?
Reply-To: maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:00:00 +0000


"so it's OK because it's unreliable? ulllp! Whst about the 5% (ish) 
failure rate on condoms or the 1% failure rate on the pill? Nothing 
is totaly infallible...

Let me just add that because I don't think this way, it strikes me as 
a little ludicrous. I'm sure some of my beliefs would strike people 
who don't share them as barbaric/immature or even worse..... so 
please don't take my reactions as any sort of attack - I want to be 
really sure I don't offend anyone by asking questions and reacting to 
information
mary looks down, checking for eggshells....
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From: mtemplar@redunser.demon.co.uk (Alan Ralph)
Subject: Re: Christmas? But it's only November!!
Reply-To: mtemplar@redunser.demon.co.uk
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Organization: Chez MonTemplar, Redunser
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:48:12 +0000

In article <1992Nov16.053734.12729@ucc.su.OZ.AU> mar@physics.su.OZ.AU (David Mar) writes:
>"Which brings me to another point. (For those North Americans who recently
>learnt what the word 'whinge' means, here is another example! :-) ) Why, oh
>why, in a country where the beaches are packed to capacity on Christmas Day,
>where Christmas dinner barbecues have to be reorganised because of total
>fire bans, and where eating cold turkey slices and salad for Christmas
>lunch while shooing away pesky flies is normal, why must we put up with an
>overweight man in a furry red suit driving a sleigh through tons of fake
>bloody _snow_ every Christmas??
>
>"Aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!"
>
>- Danger Mouse.

"Oh that's easy" says MonTemplar, who's been sheltering from the food fights
uder his golf umbrella. "It's a hangover from the days when Oz was the
biggest penal colony in the British empire - the colonial authorities made
the convicts celebrate Christmas at the official time in order to humiliate
them into behaving themselves (with the possible exception of that well-known
party-pooper Ned Kelly :-) )"

He braces himself for the response from the assembled Ozzies....
--
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From: mwasson@minnie.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Michael Wasson)
Subject: Re: God and Science: The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:31:43 GMT

>: =	"Science and religion need not even butt heads.  A very scientific
>: =proof of the existance of God was given by Saint Thomas Aquinas I
>: =believe.  It was based on the principle of cause and effect.  For every
>: =effect there is a cause.  Now if you trace all of these causes back to
>: =the begining of time you reach a root caust the Motis Prime.  The thing
>: =which caused all following things to happen, This is God."
>: 
>: StM says, "Interesting proof.  If that proof is valid, then Aquinas could also
>: answer the question, `What is the largest natural number?'"
>
>The point is (which I think StM is making here) that there isn't a Motis
>Prime in an infinite recursion ... mediaeval thinkers took things like this
>back until their heads (metaphorically!) exploded and they mentally gave up
>and said "there MUST be a god". BUT, this uses "MUST" in the same way as a
>child uses it in "There MUST be a Santa Claus".
>
>Thomas of Aquinas may have been a philosopher of note in his era (I doubt it,
>or he'd be in The Song ;-)), but he waay predated (and no, I don't mean he

"Wah! Don't tell that to a devout Catholic! (No, silly, I'm not talking
about *me* I just mean in general ;-))"  

>hunted and killed) proper logical thinkers (No again, I am NOT referring to

"Well, Aquinas, like the Medieval [sp?] philosophers in general, was raised
on Aristotle (I *believe* through the work of Arab translators but maybe
more indirectly) and Aristotle is the founder of modern logic."

Gecko-boy thinks for a second.  "No that doesn't make sense.  Was the founder
of *formal* logic and thus the great-grand-pappy of modern logic. BTW, his
proof from causality was only one of five he offered. Does anyone remember
the others?"

>
>The glass flies,
>tumbles, catches stray light
>and shatters on the hearth at last
>
>					<Crash!>
<crash!>
Gecko-boy aka Mike
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From: steve@crc.ricoh.COM (Stephen R. Savitzky)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: God and Science: The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:43:10 GMT
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	<1992Nov12.141404.5821@midway.uchicago.edu>,<1992Nov17.012155.27920@news.Hawaii.Edu>
	<1ea09rINNolh@gap.caltech.edu> <1992Nov19.171539.18292@onetouch.COM>
Organization: RICOH California Research Center

In article <1992Nov19.171539.18292@onetouch.COM> jpalmer@onetouch.COM (John Palmer) writes:

	The one thing that bothers me about relativism is that it
   seems to be demanding that you not judge a PERSON as evil for
   committting such and such an act, and does so by saying that the
   evil of the act is determined by the beliefs of the person.

"I believe you are wrong here;" says the Mandelbear, "at least, this
isn't what *I* mean by relativism.  I'm perfectly willing to call
somebody evil for committing actions which are evil by *my* standards,
but not theirs.  They, similarly, often call some of my actions evil
(by *their* standards).

"Relativism means that I have to grant them the validity of their
moral evaluation of my actions, and they have to grant me my
evaluation of theirs.  The strong implication is that one should not
attempt to compel another person to behave "morally", because morality
is relative.  One should only prevent people from behaving in a way
which causes *injury* to other people.

"Of course, the definitions of 'injury' and 'other people' are
relative as well, and one ought to define them as *narrowly* as
possible consistent with a smoothly-functioning society.  For example,
some people feel 'injured' when I express religious beliefs they
disagree with, or when they suspect that I might be doing things *in
private* that they consider evil.

"The true meaning of 'freedom of speech' and 'freedom of religion' is
that the U.S. Constitution specifically defines speech and religious
practices as being non-injurious (with a few exceptions, though IMHO
not few enough)."
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From: maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk (Mary Branscombe)
Subject: Re: Economics and the Environment
Reply-To: maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:51:00 +0000

s)

Safe, hygenic, sealed packaging is one thing. Two layers of plastic 
and two layers of cardboard with a plastic wrapper around the outside 
as well is just plain silly. Most of the "excess" packaging is for 
advertising and marketing, not for hygiene. You really don't need a 
bag inside a box inside a bag, do you? Use rigid plastic instead of 
the box and the inner plastic to cut out a layer - but gosh, doesn't 
the logo look weedy when it's not printed in proper four colours on 
card?
They still wrap fatty food in the wrong kind of cling-wrap over here. 
Hygiene?

mary
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Subject: Re: Black Death Birthdays (Recipe Included)
From: jwwalden@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (P'relan)
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:51:30 -0500
Organization: Dept. of Physics

In article <gf1vZhu00iUzI2_0o6@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Mary A. Mark" <mmbt+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> She is wearing a once-white chef's apron, now
> liberally dusted with a covering of powdered Belgian
> chocolate, and the chef's cap on her head reads
> "Callebaut chocolate: the only *true* chocolate is dark chocolate"

P'relan agrees with that statement even though he's a chocolate moderate,
not an extremist like other people in the Place. (-:

> On the trolley before her sit (In Chorus: "OOOOhhhh, AAAAAAh")
> 1) A very large, absolutely black, chocolate cake  (Remember the
>    absolutely black ship that gets stolen by Zaphod Beeblebrox?  Well,
>    this cake is *that* absolutely black.  Yes, really.  Absorbs light.)

He grins, thinking that sounds about right.

> "Once I've handed these two slices out, the cake is fair game!
> But I've brought this cake here in honour of two friends of mine,
> Chris Welch (Urban Spaceman) and John Ockerbloom, and the first
> two slices go to them. They're both celebrating birthdays this week 
> (Chris on the 16th and John on the 18th) and I wanted to celebrate them.
> Since I can't manage to be in the UK, Chris, I hope you'll accept
> this virtual cake, with virtual hugs, and warmth and affection.  
> And since John lives in Pittsburgh, I can offer him an actual hug!"
> 
>                     "Happy Birthdays to you both!"

P'relan says, "Happy birthday, John and Chris!," while a rather large
hungry-looking blue dragon lurks behind him, eyes fixed on that cake.
 
> ==============================================================
> THE BLACK DEATH
> (AKA. Chocolate Yoghurt Poundcake)
.
.
.
> If you wish, brush melted sweet chocolate over the cooled cake.  Or, 
> do as I prefer: serve it with pure whipped cream.  And cut those slices 
> small - they're pretty deadly!  It's the only cake I know of that you
> serve with the cream to *lighten it up*, not to make it richer!
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Mary Mark                    email: mmbt+@andrew.cmu.edu

P'relan says, "Ummmm...Mary, didn't you forget to put the proper
warnings on the recipe?"

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 P'relan (and Birith)      	   ``Time stand still -
 jwwalden@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu      I'm not looking back -
  or jwwalden@miavx1.bitnet	     But I want to look around me now.'' - RUSH
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From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: Black Death Birthdays (Recipe Included)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:14:06 GMT

merry says:

>: 
>:                     "Happy Birthdays to you both!"
>: 

>The Urban Spaceman shimmers in to existence, virtual chocalate smeared
>around his mouth.

>"Thanks for the cake, Merry, I've never had one turn up on my terminal 
> before. The Gardener is going to put it together for the weekend, since 
> you were thoughtful enough to send the recipe. If only we knew what a
> bundt tin is (hint, hint.). Anyway, I reckon you deserve a hug for that.
> Here."

> *HUG*

>"On a side issue, the choco-mail that you sent me arrived Monday 16th, whil
> the cake, at least from my perspective, only appeared in Callahan's today,
> Wednesday 18th. This confirms my suspicion about periodic cyberlag in the
> networks.

>"Anyway, seems like time for a toast to me. Drinks are, um, at my expense,
> Mike. I'll have a dram of the Dufftown Glenlivet since today is cold and
> miserable in RL."

> Taking the whisky, Spaceman sips it for a bit. When it is finished, he
> steps up to the chalk line...

> "To Friends, Chocolate, Birthdays, and Whisky, but not necessarily in that
>  order."


kitten raises her glass and echoes the urban spaceman's toast....and
offers birthday hugs to him and to john.












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conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
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"love is the wild card of existance"
                          rita mae brown

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From: dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David Green)
Subject: Re: Pizza pty report
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 07:59:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.023538.7232@ucc.su.OZ.AU> mar@physics.su.OZ.AU (David Mar) writes:
->> [Rowan reports on a pizza party:]
->>5. a modified Hawaiian with Canadian bacon, olives, pineapple [...]
->
->Danger Mouse shows his cultural ignorance again. "I've seen this mentioned
->before. Can somebody please explain what 'Canadian bacon' is? I am
->assuming it is not merely bacon from Canada - else why distinguish it
->from any other bacon?"

From my Webster's: "cured, smoked pork taken from the loin in a boneless strip
and having a hamlike flavor."  It's not unlike thinly sliced ham, for the most
part.  Amusingly, it seems (from my experience on a trip to Alberta) that
Canadian bacon was fairly unknown (at least under that name) in Canada.
-- 
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