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From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Freak Show
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:59:25 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <17gm64INNa7j@agate.berkeley.edu> davidb@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (David T. Blackston) writes:
>
>I was wondering if anyone out there in Netland had read the
>collection of short stories entitled "Freak Show" edited
>by F. Paul Wilson.  I saw it in the stores the other day, 
>On a related note, are there any other recent anthologies 
>which were found to be worthwhile by the readers here?
>anthology.  Are there any other memorable ones out there?
>				Dave Blackston


Okay, you have tapped one of my areas! I have never read any of the books you
mention, but I will definitely look for them. Other good ones? Right now I am
reading "Masters of Darkness III" and I find it pretty good so far (I have not
read part I or part II so I can't compare them to part III). I liked the
"Ultimate Monster" series ("Ultimate Werewolf", "Ultimate Dracula" and
"Ultimate Frankenstein"), but I don't know if you would or not. I liked the
"Ultimate Dracula" the best really. Ramsey Campbell's collection "Dark
Companions" seems good so far too (I am still reading it). I like Graham
Masterson's edited collections also. They are terrifying! Happy reading!
				Laurel
 
__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
_______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________


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From: jpurlia@qualcomm.com (John Purlia)
Subject: Re: IT a Bradbury ripoff?
Followup-To: alt.horror
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:28:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.074202.11830@newssrv.edvz.univie.ac.at>,
J1300DAF@vm.univie.ac.at wrote:
> 
> Noooo. King was highly influenced by Bradbury, especially Something
>wicked...

I've met Bradbury a couple of times at signings and other events (nice to
have an autographed copy of Something Wicked!!) and specifically asked him
about the relationship of Kings writing to Bradbury's body of work. 
Inerestingly, he got kind of a twinkle in his eye and told me that he
consideres Kings to be "one of my surrogate sons".  He then told me that he
actually hasn't read many of Kings books (when would he have time with
everything else he does).

The IT parallel I'd consider to be very loose.  The comparison I cited to
Bradbury was a comparison of Pet Sematary to Bradbury's short story "The
Small Assasin" from which King borrows (lovingly, I think).

While on the subject of Bradbury, I'd highly redcommend "Death Is A Lonely
Business" to anyone who enjoys a mystery with memorable characters and
plenty of atmosphere without using a lot of language.
...........................................................................
John Purlia          : My brain; not my company's brain.  My brain says...
jpurlia@qualcomm.com :      "Just about any movie could be made better
AppleLink:  AM0470   :       if one of the characters were a vampire."
...........................................................................
From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Question: Frankenstein, the true story?
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:50:41 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <iroderic.714681563@cunews>, Ian Roderick writes:

...
> In another posting, you speak of the 'timelessness of literature'.
> What makes literature timeless?  Well, it seems to me it is because
> succeeding generations value these 'canons'.  This itself suggests
> there is some sort of social historicism involved in making and
> reading stories.

At the moment I can afford only a brief reply to your excellent
article, but I should make it clear here that in my other
posting the "timelessness" I was writing about was specifically
relating to the concept of horror, i.e. it strikes me as somewhat
surprising that the things that scared people 100 years ago
still scare them today.  Of course, there are other types of
timelessness in literature also, e.g. great thoughts and ideas.

...
> Her (I think it was a her)
> reading of Frankenstein is a perfectly appropriate one and I doubt it
> was presented as the only one available: as if one can present a
> reductive reading of a text.
...

I think it is rather silly to suggest that Shelley first decided
to write a story symbolizing birth or man destroying the balance
of nature and *then* wrote _Frankenstein_ as a result, especially
since we *know* this isn't true.  I imagine it could be fun to
try to find hidden meaning and symbolism where it doesn't exist,
but this strikes me as intellectual astrology and mental masturbation.
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618

"In a study of schoolboys, an educator discovered a correlation between size
 of feet and quality of handwriting.  The boys with the larger feet were,
 on the average, older."        Wallis & Roberts, _The Nature of Statistics_
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From: david.vaughan@rose.com (david vaughan)
Subject: The Resurrected
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 08:27:57 GMT
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Date Entered: 08-26-92 03:21
REVIEW OF 'THE RESURRECTED'






POSSIBLE SPOILERS!












'The Resurrected' (on VHS video from Live Home Video)

Director: Dan O'Bannon
Screenplay: Brent V. Friedman (based on H.P.Lovecraft's 'The Case of 
Charles Dexter Ward)

Cast: John Terry (John March)
      Chris Sarandon (Charles Dexter Ward/Joseph Curwen)
      Jane Sibbett (Clare Ward)

I have been awaiting the arrival of this film for some time.  When I 
first read about it, I felt that it looked like someone might finally 
be making a good, serious Lovecraft film.  While the final product is 
not perfect, it is certainly the best attempt to date at filming the 
fiction of HPL.

The story of Charles Dexter Ward and his ancestor Joseph Curwen is 
essentially the same as in Lovecraft's novel.  However, the narrative 
framing device has been radically altered.  In the original novel, the 
family doctor investigates Ward's apparent madness at the request of 
the Ward's father.  In the new version, private eye John March is 
retained by Clare Ward, Charles' wife of less than a year, to 
investigate why her husband has moved out of the house and into the 
house originally built by his ancestor.

What makes this film stand apart from the other Lovecraft adaptations 
which have been coming out (esp. Gordon's good, but unLovecraftian 
films) is that there is no sex, minimal violence, and the shocking 
special effects are largely confined to the ending.  Not surprisingly, 
these are features typical of much of Lovecraft's best work.  In 
addition, the plot and atmosphere of the book have been carried over 
relatively successfully.

As a film, 'The Resurrected' is slightly above average.  The script 
and acting are competent, the direction and effects good.  However, 
what makes it stand out, is that it represents a serious effort to put 
the work of HPL onto the screen without bowing to the often ridiculous 
conventions of contemporary horror films.  If there is ever to be a 
definitive Lovecraft film, it will descend from this effort, rather 
than from Gordon or the various schlock efforts.

David Vaughan
Hamilton, Ont., Canada
david.vaughan@rose.com
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From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Horror Fan
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:24:31 GMT
Distribution: alt.horror
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <cebDEq600WBLA2PXQ5@andrew.cmu.edu> fw0a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Frederick D Wong) writes:
>On Aug 26 in re:Good Horror Films? I gave a rough outline of what makes
>a good horror movie based upon the viewer. It was then mentioned that
>there was perhaps one more type of horror fan presented by Laurel
>Povasan. Thanks again, Laurel.
>Type VI:The Diehard
>    Everything in horror interests this genre of movie viewer. Sex,
>violence, sadistic humor, and spurting blood round out this person who
>enjoys the serious storylines and the chainsaw maniacs.  

Hey, that's me!!!!!! Thanks, Frederick!!!!!!!!!! You have me pegged now!
See you on the posting board!
				Laurel

__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
_______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________


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From: kmjoffe@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kenneth M. Joffe)
Subject: Re: Vampire advise
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 00:32:48 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

Concerning Anne Rice's trilogy.... 
>
>Actually, I found that only the first two were any good.  They were both
>excellent.  The third I thought was alright.  Maybe.  I found myself
>skipping over parts of boring storylines to get to the good parts....
>A lot more COULD have been done with it, but the substance just wasn't
>there.
>
Think you put it mildly.  Although I loved her first two, if you
notice on my original post, I didn't mention Queen....  I thought
that it sucked.  I was really looking forward to the last book,
and was expecting something par with the previous books.  What a
let down.  Queen...was a huge sellout, strickly written for the
cash flow.
From: moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Hello!
Date: 2 Sep 92 09:38:24 GMT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Tats are what people in prison scribble on each other..If that's what 
you're into, excuse me..Did you perhaps mean to refer to the art of the 
Tattoo???Sorry if this is terribly snotty of me..it is something I have 
felt very strongly about..

Hello to you too..Welcome to SF, land of Tattoos, peircings, artists, and 
others obsessed with the art of self expression..
I have been in the Tattoo etc..scene for many years, and recently began 
this computer obsession,also the romantic side of the macabre, 
conventions,costumes..Check out Alt.Vampyres..if you're into that sort of 
thing.It's brand new and hardly anyone knows about it yet..

Sorry if the beginning came off harshly..after ten years of rude people 
grabbing parts of my body and slobering"Hey,Did you get your TAT in 
prison?" I am very sick of some of the stereotypes of tattooed people in 
our society.Of course alot of the work that comes out of institutions is 
very good..but who would enjoy being stereotyped?

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From: stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame)
Subject: Re: Looking for Hellraiser info
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:20:09 GMT

As long as the movie's being discussed, can anyone tell me the full
story vis a vis Coil's music for Hellraiser?  As near as I can tell,
they either quit the project or were fired (covers a lot of ground, eh?)
They *did* release a CD titled _Hellraiser Themes_ which I thought was
pretty good but then, liking the group as I do, I'm biased.

		-- Stewart "did they make Barker's bowels churn too
				much or what?" Tame

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Pee-wee Herman, Bart Simpson, Tipper Gore, Murphy Brown, Maggie Thatcher,
and the Easter Bunny.
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From: af714@yfn.ysu.edu (Lisa M. Stanar)
Subject: Re: Shirley Jackson
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:01:31 GMT


I have never read the story, but I have seen a short film based
on it...very disturbing (to say the least)

Lisa
-- 
"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for
a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a madate
from the masses, not from farcical aquatic ceremonies." 
                                            Micheal Palin
From: donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: <<*NEW HORROR*>>
Date: 29 Aug 92 16:22:49 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1992Aug29.013441.25042@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kmrobert@nyx.cs.du.edu (K.M.Roberts) writes:
>Chris-
>	Awhile back I tried to get a discussion about Skipp & Spector
>going, although I have only read two of their books (_Deadlines_ and
>_The Scream_) they are among my favorite authors!
>	The reason, I would assume, that the discussion never really
>picked up is probably that not many people have read much of their work. They
>are still rather obscure.
>
>	I, myself, much prefered their book _Deadlines_ to _The Scream_ but
>I think alot of that had to do with the unusual blend between short stories
>and novel that they pulled off brilliantly! I don't know if anyone has ever 
>done a blend quite like this but I would have to guess that they did the
>best job.
>
>	If anyone is confused now, go buy the book and read it!
>	If you aren't confused, go buy the book and read it anyways!!
>
>
>--
>kmr...                                      Fiction is created by writers
>kmrobert@nyx.cs.du.edu                      Lies are concocted by liars
>"I have engaged the                         Fiction is a string of lies
>Theoretical Weasel!"                        I am a liar...

I LOVE Skipp and Spector!!! Just finished "The Light At the End" and "The
Bridge". I recommend the former wholeheartedly. The latter, I recommend
somewhat, but it is too propagandistic for my taste. 
I have never cared for Short story collections threaded together and
called a novel. I had also read many of those tales before in magazines.
With the exception of <maybe> "The Martian Chronicles"/"Illustrated Man",
I don't think it works very well.
"The Scream" is still my fave. Sure, it gets a bit silly, what with
the GOOD rock band taking on the EVIL rock band, but what a climactic
sequence. 
BTW, they wrote the script for Nightmare on Elm Street 5 <I think,
maybe it was 4>, but that was not very good. I hope their script had
been altered.,  I would hate to think that they wanted it the way
it came out.

					--Judex--
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Hellraiser III looks a little dodgy....
Date: 30 Aug 92 01:49:54 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


> Also, I had a listen to the music, and they were all modern Motorhead
> and Soupdragons, and KMFDM style stuff, with none of the classical 
> music from the previous two Hellraisers.

Oh, that is bad, that is really really BAD.  I've read articles where they
say they're really trying to stick to the theme of Hellraiser, and that this
wasn't going to turn into a comedy like the Friday the 13th or Nightmare on
Elm Street movies did; but this is definately a WRONG foot to start off on.

> Another thing; the credits list pretty much nothing to do with Barker
> or any of the previous crew; the director is someone I've never heard
> of, and it's simply "Based on Cliver Barker's characters". 

Confirmed.  Originally, Clive Barker was to have absolutely nothing to do
with this sequel.  I hear, however, that during post-production or some later
phase of the movie making process, he did look the film over and say "Hey--
you could do this," or "this was good," so now his name will pop up somewhere
in the credits.

This does seem to have all the makings of a really bad movie sequel.  For one
thing, they have now managed to wrangle around the central concept of the
movie so that Pinhead is now a central character -- surely a sign of the
"Freddy and Jason" syndrome.  He is supposed to be more evil than ever, too,
seing as what we saw in Hellraiser II was now NOT Pinhead being killed, but
Pinhead being separated from the explorer type guy from the beginning of the
flick.  (Possible spoiler about the plot follows)


Also, for the climax of Hellraiser III, we will see a confrontation between 
the "evil" Pinhead and his "good" human half.  I doubt we can expect to see
the mystery of the bearded guy solved in this one either -- I'll bet they
just drop him.  I think the Cenobites Pinhead creates are rather silly, as
well.  They include a guy with CD's (as in Compact Discs) sticking out of his
head... a guy with a camera for an eye (yeah, Borg!)... a couple of others...
the one good one is a girl with lit cigarettes sticking out of her flesh.

I am now NOT expecting very much from this movie.  I went into Hellraiser II
thinking it would completely ruin the first movie, and was pleasantly 
surprised.  I hope Hellraiser III does the same thing, but I'm NOT counting
on it.

I AM looking forward to "Army of Darkness", the latest sequel to "Evil Dead".
This one looks GREAT.
From: frantz@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Shirley Jackson
Date: 31 Aug 92 10:39:13 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Aug28.073100.11571@newssrv.edvz.univie.ac.at>, J1300DAF@vm.univie.ac.at writes:
> 
> I am reading a book by Shirley Jackson "The Lottery", a 1947-compilation of
> short-stories. Not what a lot of you out there would consider to be "real"
> horror, but very irritating and disturbing. The stories are mostly about
> loneliness and the unability to build up relationships. Highly
> recommended. Anybody out there, who read her stuff?
> 
>     - Oliver
> 
> "I never drink ... wine." (The Count)

I would very much consider Jackson among the finest horror writers of all 
time.  Her Haunting of Hill House is one of the creepiest things I've ever 
read.  I use "The Lottery" in most of the writing classes I teach because 
it's such a great example of the snapshot-style examination of the human 
condition.  Consider me a big fan!

Andrea @ BVC

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From: rduggar@access.digex.com (robin of riverdale)
Subject: Re: John Carpenter's Prince of Darkness
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:13:42 GMT

Carpenter's PRINCE OF DARKNESS is one of my favorite horror movies.  My 
husband and I have watched it many times.  Partly ... to figure out what is
really going on.

Does anyone know if this was based on a novel or if there was a novelization
of the moive???  [Insight could be increased!]

-- 
Lady Robin of Riverdale


"Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us."
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From: mch@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)
Subject: Re: <<*NEW HORROR*>>
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 23:46:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.105456.1@husky1.stmarys.ca> gen5060@husky1.stmarys.ca writes:
>BUT...I haven't heard anybody mention David J. Schow, or John Skipp and Craig
>Spector, or Richard Christian Matheson, or Joe R. Lansdale.
>For those of you who have not heard of these guys, you don not know know what
>you are missing.  They belong to the horror sub-genre "Splatter-Punk" and they
>are great!...

R.C. Matheson and Joe Lansdale are both quite clear in stating
that they are not members of the 'Splatterpunk' movement and refuse
to be labelled as such.

However, I do think that all of the above mentioned authors have
produced some very effective fiction.

Mark
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From: moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Vampyres and more
Date: 2 Sep 92 09:31:07 GMT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

The word Vampire,and the various spelling come from Eastern European 
folklore I believe, and it was originally Wampyr or something like 
that..I don't remember offhand, but it is mentioned in the book, "In 
search of Dracula" by Radu Florescu, I'm fairly sure..Your local library 
might have something on the subject, under folklore...

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From: cgc2646@usl.edu (Cech Claude G)
Subject: Re: Dracula - v1.0
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:08:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.174348.8528@vax.oxford.ac.uk> paxton@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>Has anyone out there actually READ Bram Stocker's "Dracula". Following my
>recent query concerning J Harker's escape from D's castle Not one reply came
>from anyone who had read the book, (rather than  comics, films, pop videos
>etc).
>What i did learn was that said material is unsuprisingly very different
>including a play which has Harker as a scion of Dracula with a different wife!
>
>P.S  On an entirely different and controversial note I reckon S.K's "IT" was
>and inferior ripoff of Bradbury's "Something wicked this way Comes". I'm ready 
>for the flames. :-). 


Hmmm.  I don't have the book in front of me right now, nor have I read it
recently.  However, I do seem to recall Harker deciding that since Dracula
can crawl down the wall, its worth a try on his part.  As for what actually
happened, there's some suggestion of amnesia on his part - brain fever that
has to be treated by the good sisters.

On another thread - Someone (Laurel?) asked about the derivation of VAMPIRE.
There's a lot on this in Montague Summer's THE VAMPIRE: KITH AND KIN.  Summers
wrote a whole series on the occult many many years ago, adopting the POV that
it was all true.  Supposedly, he was a priest.  Undoubtedly, he did his
research into Church and literary sources.  Great fun to read (and I think
he had fun writing it).  One of the possible derivations he discusses, if
memory serves right, is from a word that means DRUM-LIKE, referring to the
stretched membrane of a drum, but possibly also to the stretched skin of a
bloated cadaver.  That might have been the Greek for VAMPIRE rather than our
much-beloved word.  If you can't find the book in your library, let me know
and I'll check my copy for whatever he has to say re: derivations.

Cheers -
     Claude

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