Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: blah (WAS: Re: Wing Commander I ?)
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 21 Jul 92 07:10:39 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Jul21.012829.2090@microsoft.com>, t-jcisek@microsoft.com (Julius Cisek) writes:
> In article <24583@sophia.inria.fr> colas@bagheera.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo) writes:
>>[followups redirected to comp.sys.amiga.advocacy]
>>
>>In article <1992Jul18.032731.11263@microsoft.com>, t-jcisek@microsoft.com
>>(Julius Cisek) writes:
>><lots of usual bullshit from microsoft deleted ...>
> 
> I don't believe it!!!  I'm NOT Microsoft, I am an individual who has
> programmed on the Amiga for FIVE YEARS and who LOVES this computer and who
> is seeing it CRUSHED by people who think that games and such are the most
> important thing in the world.  Once again, I AM NOT MICROSOFT.  I AM POSTING
> THIS FROM MY AMIGA RUNNING VLT!  There...
> 
>>|> There's very few european games that don't take over your system.  This
>>|> does not give the Amiga a good image in the developers mind.
>>
>>Get a clue. The amiga OS was designed to get properly direct access to the
>>hardware. Look at the latest Dune and legend games, both euro and both ports
>>from PC to amiga, they both are BETTER on the standard a600 than a 40Mhz 386DX!
>>(comparison side-by-side). I agree there are still bad PC port (especially from
>>origin) but a new trend seem to emerge. The port of civilization seems very
>>good, from what I have read.
>>Besides, take Alien breed, project X, pinball dreams... these are totally
>>awesome games...
> 
> That's a matter of opinion.  The French also love Jerry Lewis...
> 
>>|>  There is no longer anything special about the Amiga.  Graphics?  Right!
>>|> Sound?  Not!  MultiTasking?  Think about it, what percentage of your
>>|> software multi tasks; OS/2 and soon NT blow away the Amiga and not
>>
>>what a joke. these are not all all comparable. OS/2 needs tons (more than 10)
>>megabytes of memory just for the system, and NT will have good competition with
>>debugegd and proven OSes such as solaris (SunOS) and destiny (AT&T). These are
>>OS for business, not for the home market. The amiga is still the machine of
>>choice for the computer hobbyist. I am an unix semi-guru, and for me the amiga
>>OS is very respectable, something I cant say of MSDOS or OS/2 (I wouldn't
>>touch them with a 1000-foot pole)
>>Now ponder this: if you are going to make your PC run OS/2 or NT, it will be
>>much less expensive to buy a sun (or another workstation) than a high-end PC!
>>(I know, some team on my company were forced to buy a PC to develop on it, and
>>it was much more expensive once all the ethernet cards, base softawre,e tc..
>>were added!)
> 
> Actually PC's are getting VERY CHEAP so your point here is void as well.
> A 50mhz Gateway 2000 with a 100MB HD and SVGA can be got at about $3000.
> That's the high end (since you mentioned Suns).  Lets not get into
> the 386SX clones.  I've seen one 25mhz machine with 3megs of RAM and a
> 50meg HD for under $1500.  (I think it was the BSD 386SX)
>
	A guy wearing a long trenchcoat came up to me while I was
	getting into my car after work.  He said "Hey buddy, want
	to buy a PC; cheap?"  He pulled open his trenchcoat and-you guessed
	it-  There were dozens of PC clowns HANGING INSIDE!  Well,
	people warned me about these types....

> Memory is not so expensive for PC's that a 16 Megabyte computer is unheard
> of.  You are using arguments that were valid 5 years ago (and believe me,
> I agreed with them then).
> 
> I hate PC architecture, I love Amiga OS.  That does NOT mean that I have to
> say kind things about what happened to this machine.  
> 
>>
>>I agree that the amiga has no longer this edge it had over its competitors.
>>Then the amiga was both more powerful and cheaper, now it is no longer cheaper
>>but it still has some advantages. The A600 especially is good since it allows
>>to create powerful applications with the cheapest hardware to run it on (I
>>said, run, not develop...)
>>
> 
> Someone has to DEVELOP software before you can RUN it.  Don't you think it
> would be good to get a real good development system going?  AND FOLLOW THE
> RULES FOR ONCE!!!
> 
> And really, there are too many Amiga lovers out there who are refusing to
> see what's happening.  You see a negative message about the Amy and you
> throw a fit!  I don't want people to stop using the Amiga!  I want the
> Amiga user community to demand quality from the software houses AND FROM
> COMMODORE!  It's such a great machine and it is being ruined, imho.
> 
>>Colas Nahaboo, colas@sa.inria.fr, Bull Research Koala proj. Wool&Gwm Architect
>>Pho:(33) 93.65.77.70(.66 Fax), INRIA, B.P.93 - 06902 Sophia Antipolis, FRANCE.  
> 
> 
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   Fred Heitkamp
   fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu