HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: The Hepburns, was Re: Audrey
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:35:45 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <mattm-260193091127@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) 
   tries for the wit of Swift but manages only to ham it up:

>Poor Bear (Pooh Bear?) - learn to read between the lines.
            ^^^^^^^^^
Terms of endearment get _some_ folks everywhere -- but you, my sweet,
are a special case.  

And reading between the lines of your posts is difficult -- how _do_ you
post using invisible ink?

>In particular, please notice the (<snort>).  

I did.  I though you just had a winter cold.

>I'm afraid that, even
>as furballs go, you rather difficult to hold in contempt.  

Had your "Dorothy Parker reviews A.A. Milne" lessons today, dear?
Complete sentences do _wonders_ for effective communication.

>For
>that matter, I don't particularly hold Dolphie in contempt.

Oh, poo.

>Jezeboo is unique.

This is true, and goes without saying.  Does that make Jess a
Postulate of motss?

>This has all been a rather predictable romp - which you have made
>somewhat less predictable, and I suppose I might even have to
>thank you for it.  

You're welcome.  I have never once disputed the fact that Katharine
has had an incredible career -- how many other performers, in _any_
genre, have lasted over 60 years?  Not too damn many!

>If my confidence in K. Hepburn's talent was
>in danger of being shaken by a mummy-before-his-time from West
>Hollywood - of all Godless ghettos - I would never have brought her
>up.  But I hadn't expected *two* delightful mummies-beyond-their-time
>to join in.  

"Delightful" -- Matthew, quit trying to play up to me.  After all, what
would a "mummy-before-his-time" want with a Twink Past His Prime?

>I'm surprised the Portland Pup hasn't left a puddle
>of piddle around here, yet...  

Oooh, alliteration.  Was today's episode of _Sesame Street_ brought to
you by one certain letter?

>But I suppose he is still formulating
>an opinion.  You can't have everything.

But I thought _you_ were the one who maintained you _could_ have 
everything, if you exercised your Gold Card enough... :-)

>*X*
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From: NFitch@UCSD.edu (Nick Fitch)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Red-haired Declans
Followup-To: soc.motss
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:22:18 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: clinical-mac76-106.ucsd.edu

In article <plasma@kaa.gr.osf.org>, emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
wrote:
> 
> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:

> >>tall yummy red-haired young thing 
> >Oxymoron fault.
> 
> I think you mean "pleonasm", Richard.  Otherwise, fuck off.

Or "tautology", perhaps?

  ** nfitch@ucsd.edu
********************************************************
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Tips for coming out to friends?
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:16:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Jan25.001637.19673
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1993Jan24.131549.1209@Princeton.EDU> dem@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Doron Meyer) writes:

[our story so far - Doron asked for advice on how to come out, nervous
about what could go wrong, how his friends would react. Arne wrote
back saying "why is it such a big deal? Coming out is easy. It should be."]

>When I first read Arne's response, I was first upset at what
>I considered its insensitivity.  But the more I thought about it,
>the more I realized how right Arne is.  It *isn't* a big deal.

Well, actually, I think coming out *is* a big deal. I don't think that
Arne was necessarily being insensitive, but he was broadcasting his
own worldview to others.

Coming out means so many things. It means being self-assured enough
that you can say "I'm gay" to people and not flinch, not experience a
worry about "gad, I'm a pervert". It means being willing to tell
people what you are, even if they might not like it. It means changing
existing friendships, possibly risking them. None of these are small
things.

It's nice if you can stop thinking about coming out to people as a
"big deal". But that takes time, and experience, and lots of work.
Personally, I don't know if I'll ever get there. Right now I'm in a
situation now where most of the people I meet figure out I'm gay, so I
don't have to really come out to them. I feel "out". But when I go
back to Houston, where people I knew from high school have no idea, I
still get nervous when thinking about coming out to them.

I know Arne fairly well, and I'm getting to know Doron. I think that
when Arne says "coming out isn't a big deal", it is completely true
for him. But I have a hard time seeing how it could be true for
someone in Doron's position. As Doron says:

>This doesn't mean everything is peachy keen.  It's not.  But, like
>a lot of changes for teenagers, it can seem like the whole world 
>has flipped on its ear.  Not everyone has known or let themselves
>know since an early age.

You've got an amazing sense of perspective. But if it feels like the
world is being flipped on its ear, well, it is being flipped on its
ear. You can't suddenly decide "OK, I'm not going to feel like this is
a big deal" - that peace takes time. You can say "this is a major
upheavel but I'm going to survive it."

Nelson, pretending to be wise.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                                  Civil rights or civil war
From: viejones@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael A. Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: one Senator's opinion (was Re: Actionary Activism (NY))
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:23:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan26.225740.9334@midway.uchicago.edu>, jcav@midway.uchicago.edu writes...
>In article <1993Jan26.200803.4231@news.columbia.edu> jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman) writes:
>>If it's time to act (instead of react), how shall we start? Obviously NY
>>State needs a nondiscrimination law covering orientation. We need to visit
>>Sen. Moynihan and Sen. D'Amato while we're in DC. Is anyone organizing
>                   ^^^  ^^^^^^^
>The radio played part of one of D'Amato's Senate floor speeches.  Here's a
>paraphrase:
> 
>    Private life is not an issue.  Job performance is the only issue.  I
>    know my position is a controversial one.  I support allowing
>    homosexuals to join the military.
> 
>The commentator said that D'Amato is the only Republican Senator to have come
>out in favor of President Clinton's position.  The commentator also said that
>Senate Majority Leader Mitchell has told Clinton that he can only guarantee
>30 _Democratic_ senatorial votes in favor of lifting the ban.  On the other
>hand, the position in the House was said to be more favorable, with Speaker
>Foley strongly supporting Clinton, and the fact of the huge "freshman class"
>making it likely that there would be lots of good votes.
> 

Imagine that!  D'Amato and I agree about something.  Anyone know whether 
Moynihan has had anything to say about all this?


					Mike
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.sex.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Tim Chain Porn (Re: High School Athletes (lusher))
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:51:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.094911.26723@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> In article <C18MxF.9wK@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
> >>used to administrate a VAX
> >"Administrate"?  Wash your fingers.
> 
> excuse me. "used to make love to a VAX." It was the only way to fix
> the sainted thing when the wonderful, sweet machine would run into
> that bug in the network code that caused a queue to overflow and trash
> kernel memory. Hitting ^P still gives me shivers.

  Ha! I can do this one better. *I* used to have wild sex on the machine
room floor in front of a couple of Vax 11-750's. This friend/fuck-buddy 
of mine used to *love* getting fucking watching the blinking lights with
the whirr of disk drives in the background...
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
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From: walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: safe sex question
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:58:40 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

From article <C160FC.50v@fig.citib.com>, by glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson):
> In article <1jhibuINNrs6@meaddata.meaddata.com>, ptb@meaddata.com (Patrick Bell) writes:

# |> If you knew you were HIV- and you knew your sex partner (lover, fuck buddy,
# |> tearoom trick, whatever) was HIV+ and he wanted you to suck his cock w/o
# |> a condom, would you?

> Yes.

Well Greg, it sure has been nice knowing you!
-- 
Mark Walsh (walsh@optilink) -- UUCP: uunet!optilink!walsh
AOL: BigCookie -- Amateur Radio: KM6XU@WX3K -- USCF: L10861
"What, me worry?" - William M. Gaines, 1922-1992
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From: NFitch@UCSD.edu (Nick Fitch)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine: Queer Kardassians?
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:20:57 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: clinical-mac76-106.ucsd.edu

In article <1993Jan21.185433.12049@unocal.com>, stgprao@st.unocal.COM
(Richard Ottolini) wrote:
> 
> I don't they are queer, but I find the race attractive in masculine terms.
> Humans seem comparatively effeminate in appearance.
> I think this is due to makeup that exargerates features that are masculine- sharper edges on 
> the face, much more tendons and muscles showing in the neck and jaw.

Actually, I think the Cardassians are oddly attractive too; in a
definitively non-twinky sort-of way.  They also have wonderfully butch
uniforms - somewhere between the wimpy figure-hugging Starfleet
body-stockings and the completely over-the-top Klingon S&M leatherman
numbers.

  ** nfitch@ucsd.edu
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Soc.motss Reorganization - VOTING BEGINS!
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:34:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Jan26.223442.10296
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

This vote means nothing beyond being a straw poll. Is the intention
that after the results of this poll are in, someone launches an RFD
proposing whatever had the plurality of votes here?
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/  Homosexuals were invented for an episode of Barney Miller
From: ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Good lord!
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:43:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.113521.652@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
> In article <74293@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com
> (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>
>>Thaaang realizes in astonishment:
>
>>>When I did, I found *two*
>>>*hundred* and *fifteen* messages stashed away!
>
>>Thanks, John.  You've made me feel better about having let 15
>>messages build up unanswered..... but then, I took care of
>>that yesterday....  ;-)
>
> You boyz want numbers?  I'll give you numbers!  Well, nevermind,
> no I won't, it's too depressing.
>
*chuckle*  i can just imagine.  i wrote to you in late october/early
november and haven't heard back yet...  B)

                                                        -ailsa

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                           ailsa@wonky.uucp
 LIfe moves so mysterious with its cute little spins        ________
 And it's everyone's koan and door to get in        Silence \      / Action
 It's old human nature, it's cold or it's hot          =     \    /    =
 I think of you often, I like you a lot              Death    \  /    Life
 But if it's snowin' in Brooklyn                               \/
 I'd say snow is what we got.           -Ferron
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Australian Foreplay
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:28:39 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

A delightful, if straight (if there is such a thing in Australia)
couple on one of our Golden Oldies stations had innumerable witty
contributions to my early-morning enjoyment - not the least of 
which was the following:

  What's Australian foreplay? - Hey, love, you awake?

Other contributions:
 
  Slang for sex? - Wellington Boot, Donald Duck, and 'rooting'

I do hope they allow me to be the Hospitality Committee for the
Australian developers this WWDC.

*X*
From: - (-)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Is Dan Quayle a Twinkie?
Followup-To: soc.motss
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:05:17 GMT
Organization: -
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: toe.engin.umich.edu

In article <1993Jan19.034734.13790@bsu-ucs>, d000dlphi@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
(David Speakman) wrote:
> 
> I know that this is totally politically incorrect ( especially sinse I didn't
vote for Bush/Quayle), but I find Dan Qualyle to be a totally arousing stud
of
Biblical proportions!  I would love to get his Republican cock in my mouth 
for one night.  YUM>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Conservative Republican Sen. D'Amato supports gays in military
Organization: Castle Anthrax
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:44:01 GMT

In article <g#r3j2d@rpi.edu> buckmr@vccnw05.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>
>Right before the election [DAYS] Al D'Amato finally said that he support
>equal rights for gays. He has been an outspoken homophobe previously. He was 
>named Pro-Life Senator of the Year a few years ago.

And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Being
pro-life indicates one's views about abortion. It does not indicate
one's views about homosexuality or gay rights. Some pro-life people
are solidly for gay rights (e.g. Nat Hentoff). Conversely, some
pro-choice people are solidly homophobic.
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"Wait a minute! You guys are NINJAS!"
                ---The Tick
From: twt@mindlink.bc.ca (Tom W. Tomlinson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Bear Codes (NBCS) s'il vous plait
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:07:03 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

Hi.  I wonder if someone could E-mail me an explanation of the
NBCS Bear Code System (B7 C++ D- ...) so I can put one in my
signature.  In the motss.faq it refers to accessing it via
FTP, but unfortunately I do not have access to FTP.

I'm sure other people would be interested, too: how about
posting it to Soc.motss?

Thanks,
Tom <=====8
twt@mindlink.bc.ca


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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Katharine Hepburn
Date: 26 Jan 1993 16:35:51 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <mattm-250193155612@mcmelmon.apple.com> 
mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

> Dolphie has spoken (not that I had any doubts...).  I think, perhaps,
> Miss Hepburn will still manage to sleep nights, though it is
> extremely unlikely the opinions of such cultural giants as Adolphson
> and (<snort>) Reaser will ever reach her ears.

Of course she'll still manage to sleep nights.  I think she's 
a great movie star (but one I don't care for), on the level of 
Bette Davis and Greta Garbo.  I do not think she's a great 
actress, but then I don't think Davis and Garbo are great 
actresses either.  Acting is sort of beside the point.

Arne
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:50:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.222526.3299@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>But coffee is hot and contains neither cream nor sugar.
>Anything else is something else.

That's our Jess, a coffee 0, me I can't decide if I'm a three because
I like it both ways, or a 6 because I like it al(l)ways.


Ry
ry@usl.com
From: tachyon@cats.ucsc.edu (Tane' Tachyon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Congressional Contacts on Military Unban?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 19:13:22 GMT
Organization: Tachyon Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


In article <1993Jan26.152523.17237@news.columbia.edu> jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman) writes:
>I got this information from Laura Arnold:
>
>State                 Senator                Phone        Fax
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>
>California            Feinstein
>                      Boxer

Senator Feinstein's office number is 202-224-3841
                   and fax number is 202-224-0656
 
And Senator Boxer's office number is 202-224-3553
                   (but when I asked for her fax number I was told
                   that they only have one fax line now which is used
                   for emergencies, but they hope to have a public fax
                   number in a week or so)
 
Chairman/General Colin Powell's fax number is 703-697-8758
 
The phones were sure busy this morning ... not only did I have to keep
redialing and redialing all the numbers I called, I was even getting
"we are too busy, call back later" messages from 1-202-555-1212.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jclander@symphony.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander)
Subject: Re: Gay's in the Presidents Parade???
Reply-To: jclander@symphony.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Va
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:10:29 GMT

In article <C17opC.6DJ@agora.rain.com>, taurus@agora.rain.com (Scott Burch) writes:
|> 
|>     Did I hear wrong or wasn't there supposed to be a gay/lesbian marching
|>     band in president Clinton's parade.  I must have missed it on C-SPAN.
|> 
|> -- 

Steven Levine has posted about the Lesbian and Gay Bands of America
performance, and I have little to add, except on this specific point.

We didn't march in the parade. We played (sitting) from a point on
the side of the parade route. For this reason, we were not part
of the parade proper and, apparently, were not covered by television.

Although this sounds disappointing, it was probably best. LGBA is good
at playing music together at short notice, and we do it often. But 
many of us are not experienced at marching in formation, and we 
probably would not have looked very good.  We sounded marvelous.

(We also got to see the lawn chair drill team, which was rather
fun.)

Julian C. Lander
jclander@mitre.org
From: chloupek@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "No Wavering on Gay Soldiers"
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:06:46 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <1993Jan22.151129.5392@dvorak.amd.com>, tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett) writes:
> In article <AWOOTTEN.93Jan21160942@slacktide.cv.nrao.edu> awootten@slacktide.cv.nrao.edu (Al Wootten) writes:
>>As president, he should stand behind his beliefs as forthrightly as he did
>>as a candidate.
> 
> Bush and my ex-rep in CA Tom McClintock practiced this and I hated
> their philosophy.  Our elected officals represent US, not their
> personal views.  Yes, we elect them based on their platforms, but that
> does not mean that they have the right to vote against the will of the
> people.
> 
> Clinton, as well as Bush, is welcome to publically come out in favor
> of one program or another, but it is ethically wrong for them to force
> their ideology on the rest of the nation if the rest of the nation
> wants something else.  That is the main thing that is wrong with
> politics now.  We have a bunch of old queens sitting on seats of power
> and dispensing their tired old beliefs.  It is the PEOPLE that they
> represent who should have the voice... especially in major policy
> decisions.
>
That is the difference between a republic and a direct democracy.  If elected
officials are supposed to represent the "will of the people" in all areas, then
we should just have Ross Perot's electronic town hall.  Our elected officials
do *represent* us, but they make the decisions, not us.

I believe we need checks on populism.  If our government simply reflected
popular opinion, most of the South would probably still be segregated.  Brown
vs. Board of Education was not a popular decision.  Neither was the move to use
federal troops to enforce desegregation laws.

Frank  

P.S.  What do you think about the Supreme Court?


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Frank R. Chloupek 
CHLOUPEK@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu 
Department of Physics -- *The* Ohio State University
(Not just any Ohio State University) 

"The constitution cannot control such private prejudices but neither
 can it tolerate them.  Private biases may be outside the reach of the
 law, but the law cannot directly or indirectly give them effect."
 --Judge Jeffrey Bayless (on Amendment 2 in Colorado)

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Injunction GRANTED Against Amendment 2 !!YAY!!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 11:51:51 GMT

Taking it to the Supremes? How FAB!

('You can't hurry law. No, we'll just litigate...')

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