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From: chin@odie.cs.mun.ca (S. N. Chin)
Subject: cross canada
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:15:04 GMT

to all bikers east of winnipeg

tom sandland, a 65 year old gentleman,from st john's NF is 
bicycling home alone from vancouver. last message he was entering
winnipeg. if any of you do meet him, kindly say hi?. 

ps. he answers with a shopshire accent.

thanks
chin

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jsweeney@geppetto.encore.com (Joe Sweeney)
Subject: Re: Reorganization
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:49:43 GMT

jmyers@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Jonathan E Myers) writes:

>I think that the reorganization is good.  It will be nice to have fewer articles
>to wade through.  

I guess it really depends on your news reader.  If I was using 'Read_news'
(rn), I guess having different news groups would be good, but using 'Not_news'
(nn) I really don't care.  Actually, it's easier with one news group while
using not_news.

oh well...

Joe
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Subject: Re: Drillium
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 05:02:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.141754.18868@ncs.com> dick@ncs.com writes:
>Don't drill out your water bottles.

Why not?  This is one of those rare circumstances where you can save
more than the weight of the part you are drilling!  Furthermore, a
sufficiently drilled waterbottle is even lighter than an undrilled one
filled with Helium!

		;-D oN  ( I'll dehydrate to that! )  Pardo
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Descending hills
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:58:28 GMT

Scott Byer writes:

> Ah, but if the hill is steep, your center of gravity is closer to being
> over the front axle, and with a corresponding reduction in the amount of
> force required to pitch the bike.  No, the front tire shouldn't skid -
> you would be over the front wheel long before that.  So, while both brakes
> should be used, the front one must be used fairly cautiously.  (And, yes, I
> misspoke about 'only the rear brake'.  Foot in mouth disease. :-)

From the description, overturning sounds like it might be a problem when
descending.  This seems a bit strong from my experience.  Off road this is
more the case because there are often whoop-de-doos that the unwary rider
can flip on without brakes.  For those who have a fear of overturning, I
suggest that you try to raise the back wheel off the ground in a controlled
experiment on smooth concrete (like a sidewalk) starting at low speed and
gradually increasing to higher speeds.  You will find that it is not easy
to get the back wheel to rise unless you do not restrain your body from
moving forward.  In fact most over the bars experiences occur only after
the rider's legs strike the bars.  Many riders are unaware that nearly
all the braking acceleration forces must be restrained by the hands on the
bars and when making a panic stop the bike stops but the rider does not.

The front brake is the one that does most of the work for hard braking
because the front wheel carries most of the load at these times.  With a
tall bike as mine is, I can, with hard braking, make the rear wheel lift
off.  This occurs more easily than it would under ideal conditions because
real pavement is rough and on steep mountain roads it often has ripples
especially at the approach to turns where automotive braking deforms the
surface with "washboard".

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mmf@evolving.com (Mark Frazier)
Subject: Re: Truck bed racks
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:44:02 GMT
Organization: Evolving Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM (Chuck Brunson - Sun BOS Corporate Software Engineering) writes:
: Actually I took everyone's advice and built my own last night. It took
: about 2 hrs (including the trip to the hardware store ;^) ) and cost
: under $6. I already have a wooden platform in the bed of my truck for
: holding my skiis, they just slip underneath. I cut  a couple of pieces
: of 2x4, drilled a 5/16" hole thru em, bought 2 5/16 x 6" hex head bolts
: with wing nuts and a few washers and I was done. I think I'll make another
: and just mount em on a piece of plywood for when I don't have the wooden
: bed in there.
: 

As I e-mailed to Chuck, there is one problem with this design. I built
a similar setup for my MTB when I first got it. The problem is getting
the wing nuts tight enough to hold the forks. If you turn a corner a little
too fast (actually, I was turning from a stop light, so it wasn't all THAT fast),
your bike (or actually, your wifes bike) can slip out, fall over in the bed.
Also, the wing nuts can vibrate loose as you're driving (especially if you run
BFG Mud Terrains, like I do). The spring washers I used didn't seem to help.

Solutions? Carry a big pair of pliers to tighten with, which is bad for your
forks as the washers spin around on them, or, give in and buy some kind
of skewer mechanism to hold the forks.

MMF
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis)
Subject: Re: Dual pivot calipers (?)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:36:33 GMT

msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong) writes:

>In article 12819@midway.uchicago.edu, kristian@dwayne.uchicago.edu (Kristian Simsarian) writes:
>>
>>	What are they?  Anyone used them?  They seem to be some sort
>>of center pull compromise.  Are they any good?  
>>Kristian
>>

>If you're talking about Shimano's road brakes, I've found them (all varieties,
>105, 600, DA) to be the best stopping road brakes on the market. My friend just
>recently replaced his Dura-Ace center pivot calipers with dual-pivots and found
>they not only stop better than the brakes they replace but also the C-Record brakes
>he has on his other bike. I've ridden Campy Chorus brakes and found they don't 
>stop as well as the Shimano brakes.

>That being said, I still don't find they stop as well as cantilevers (such as I have
>on my mountain bike) and they're not as light, either.

>Michael Wong
>msw10@amdahl.com

Now as I have read it (Cycling Plus, August 1992) at least the Shimano 
105 dual pivot brakes include something in the brake lever (a cam I am
assuming) which makes up for the greater travel necessary in what is 
essentially a centre pull design.  I believe that what this involves 
is that the first part of the pull moves the callipers quickly towards 
the rim while the latter part is when the pads are in contact with the 
rim and allow for greater leverage.  Is this essentially correct and 
would those levers therefore be suitable for cantilevers (allowing for 
less close adjustment)?


Robert M. Lewis
Department of Sociology
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta
Canada
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Important Information About the Upcoming Reorganization
Date: 15 Aug 1992 06:08:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver

There have been some general questions surrounding the reorganization
of rec.bicycles.  In the next several weeks, the usenet administrators
will begin creating the 6 new newsgroups and the existing newsgroup
"rec.bicycles" will be phased out(i.e you will no longer be able to
post news to it, but you may be able to read it while there remains
unexpired articles in the newsgroup directory on your specific
machine).  I can not give you a specific date other than when you
see the new groups pop up, use them!!!

Below is the list of posting guidelines for the 6 new newsgroups
as were sent out with the call for votes.  When in doubt, do not
cross post, post it to the group which most closely resembles
the subject of your posting(this may seem like a non-sequitor,
but if you really make a bad choice, you will most likely be
notified, vie E-mail, by the readers of the new newsgroup.)

Also, if you feel an article has been posted to the wrong newsgroup,
please respond, in kind, to the poster via E-mail.  Please, do not
generate unneccesary network traffic.  It will take time for things
to settle down, let's try to keep a lid on things while the
adjustment occurs.  Thank you!!!!!


		Posting Guidelines for the New Newsgroups

rec.bicycles.marketplace: Bicycles, components, ancillary equipment and
services wanted or for sale, reviews of such things, places to buy
them, and evaluations of these sources.  Not for discussion of general
engineering, maintenance, or repair -- see rec.bicycles.tech.

rec.bicycles.tech: Techniques of engineering, construction, maintenance
and repair of bicycles and ancillary equipment.  Not for products or
services offered or wanted -- see rec.bicycles.marketplace.

rec.bicycles.rides: Discussions of tours and training or commuting routes.
Not for disussion of general riding techniques -- see rec.bicycles.misc.

rec.bicycles.soc: Social issues, cycling transportation advocacy, laws,
conduct of riders and drivers; road hazards such as potholes, dogs, and
sociopaths.

rec.bicycles.racing: Race results, racing techniques, rules, and
organizations.  Not racing equipment -- see rec.bicycles.marketplace
or rec.bicycles.tech.

rec.bicycles.misc:  General riding techniques, rider physiology,
injuries and treatment, diets, and other cycling topics.
From: roat@rrc.chevron.com (Suzanne Roat,Chevron,(510)242-5313)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: My Bicycle Helmet Experience
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:52:25 GMT
Reply-To: roat@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

I hit a set of rain slicked railroad tracks one day that were not perpendicular
to the road.  My front tire slipped and fell into the crack between the road and
the rail.  I hit the pavement with such violent force before I even knew what
happened.  I suffered a concussion, neck whiplash, and severe bruises on my hip,
shoulder, and knee.  Because I was wearing a helmet, I walked away from the
incident and merely operated in a fog for the rest of the day suffering from
a nasty headache.  I couldn't swim for almost a week because of the neck and
shoulder injuries.  I trashed my helmet - best $60 I ever spent.  I get chills
when I look at the helmet and think of the possibility that it could have been
my head....

Helmetless bikers = organ donors (hope you carry your donor card when you ride).

---
Suzanne Roat				Phone:	(510) 242-5313 Voice 
Chevron Research and Technology Company		(510) 242-4647 FAX
100 Chevron Way				Email:	roat@rrc.chevron.com
Richmond, CA  94802-0627

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Subject: Re: Truck bed racks
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 04:31:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

For the home-made racks using wing-nuts instead of skewers, a velcro
strap, or perhaps a rubber band, around the wingnut and fork ought to solve
the problem of loosening due to vibration.  As for not being stable enough
when turning corners, well, I plan to check out the suggested "motorcycle
tie downs" which I had never heard of before. 

	Bob
From: jan@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Jan Wysocki)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Results ToB
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:04:31 GMT
Reply-To: jan@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
Organization: Vision Laboratory, Queen Mary & Westfield College.


"Tour of Britain" Stage 3, Middlesbrough to Hull,  103.5 miles

Started:  Aug 12th, 11 a.m.

Information gleaned without permission, but gratefully acknowledged,
from , "Cycling Weekly" and the "Independent" Bah, I completely
forgot to watch the race coverage yesterday evening.  A friend tells me
that I missed a comical crash between David Mann and another
unrecognised rider on a roundabout, when there was confusion over which
exit to take.  There was also a crash when martin Early was forced off
the road and bashed his head on a rock, he recovered and rode on.  Greg
LeMond withdrew before the start of stage 3, complaining of
sleeplessness and 'stomach trouble'.  Sciandri was cool enough to win
despite puncturing and also taking time out to change a back wheel and
thus change from a hill climbing cluster to a sprint cluster.
Abdoujaparov was the surprise stage winner.


Stage    Time          Name                    Nationality, Team
Position    

 1.       4:36:41     Djamolidine Abdoujaparov Uzbek, Carrera
 2.            do.     Johan Museeuw           Belgian, Lotto
 3.            do.     Olaf Ludwig             German, Panasonic
 4.            do.     Maximilian Sciandri     Italian, Motorola
 5.            do.     Phil Anderson           Australian, Motorola
 6.            do.     Andri van der Poel      Dutch, Tulip + Koga Miyata
 ..
44.                    Sean Yates              UK, Motorola
51.                    Robert Millar           UK (Scot.), TVM



Overall   Overall
Position  Time 

 1.       12:16:40     Maximilian Sciandri
 2.            +5      Jos van Aert
 3.            +9      Andri van der Poel
 4.           +10      Hendrik Redant
 5.           +14      Johan Museeuw
 6.           +14      Olaf Ludwig 
 7.           +19      Phil Anderson
 ..
18.           +24      Sean Yates
21.           +24      Robert Millar

Still to come:
Stage 4 Aug 13th, 11.10 a.m.   Lincoln to Coventry,    114.2 miles.
Stage 5 Aug 14th, 10.15 a.m.   Nottingham to Leeds,    118.8 miles.

-- 
--- "Ride Bike: One less car!             (Pity it's not a Volvo :-(" ---
 

          Jan Wysocki                 |  Computer Science Department,
                                      |  Queen Mary and Westfield College,
 email:    jan@dcs.qmw.ac.uk          |  Mile End Road,
'phone:   +44 (0)71 975 5230          |  London.  E1 4NS
From: dbe2@dcs.exeter.ac.uk (David Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: MTB racing in Olympic Games
Date: 15 Aug 92 10:19:32 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. - University of Exeter. UK

In article <1992Aug13.181849.24863@lrmsc.loral.com> robishaw@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw x5960) writes:
>And just what the hell is solo synchronized swimming synchronized with
>anyway?
>
>Gary

The music !!!

Anyway I'm exceptionally impressed w/ syncro.  As a swimmer I can start
to imagine the control, power and lugbusting capabilities needed, as well
as the artistic side of it!

With bike there's not such an opotunity for the artist to come out :-)

Dave



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From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: bar-end shifters
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:05:01 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

>In article <19480@drutx.ATT.COM> r.g.olsen@att.com writes:
>[Ultegra barcons won't work w/ Dura-Ace.]

weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt) writes:
>[I've got wheels w/ Dura-Ace and non-DA freewheels, both work well.]

The cog-to-cog spacing on most 7-cog and 8-cog freewheels is the same.
Thus, any such freewheel is a ready substitute for any other such
freewheel.  SunTour is the main exception, they have stuck with the
spacing they used when they introduced narrow chains and cog spacings.

The problem with the shifters is in the ratio of wire travel to
derailleur travel.  One `click' at the shift lever moves the cable wire
a given distance.  It is different for various setups, so while 600
barcons works with 600 deraileurs and DA barcons work with DA
derailleurs, 600 barcons will *not* work w/ DA derailleurs, nor DA
barcons w/ 600 derailleurs.  For that matter, 600 brake lever and
downtube shifters also won't work (indexed) with DA, and vice-versa.

As far as I know, only Shimano has blessed us with this misfeature, and
for other manufacturers, all lines from a given year use the same wire
travel.  Further, I've heard rumors that some companies use the same or
very close wire travel per click, and so you can match brands of click
shifters and derailleurs.  Can anybody substantiate?

	;-D on  ( ... for they go round and round )  Pardo
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kpalm@athena.qualcomm.com (Kent Palm)
Subject: Re: Heart Rate Survey: Results
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:36:31 GMT

kpalm@athena.qualcomm.com (Kent Palm) writes:

>ra_novy@dal.mobil.com writes:

>>34     29     181   (29!  After sleep, or suspended animation?)

>The 29 is after sleep and before raising my head off the pillow.  How
>else do you take the resting pulse rate?

Sorry.  That should be 39 - not 29.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: RACE RESULTS: Tour of Holland Stage 4
From: Willem Boersma <SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 21 Aug 1992 11:14:20 CET
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

Stage 4, Arnhem - Tilburg 163.5 km
 
1. Harmeling 3h 45' 22''
2. Leoni
3. W. Nelissen
4. Pieters
5. Raab
6. Devos
7. Cooman
8. Hermans
9. Ferrigato
10. Koerts
 
No time differences given here, although there seemed to be a little
gap between Harmeling and the rest. Just like Harmeling's win in
the stage to Bordeaux in the TdF, this was no sprint win but an ultimate
jump in the last kilometer. Because of a few intermediate sprints, there
are small changes in the overall.
 
 
Overall:
1. Nijdam   11h 42' 52''
2. Marie            41''
3. Pieters          47''
4. Bezault          51''
5. Maassen          57''
6. Breukink      1' 20''
   Yates         1' 20''
8. Harmeling     1' 23''
9. Zhdanov       1' 35''
10. Koerts       1' 41''
 
Greg Lemond had a long talk with Motorola's team chef Hennie Kuiper
during the race. This of course gave rise to rumours about Big L's
transfer to Motorola. Kuiper's explanation that the conversation
was about the US team for the world championship sounded reasonable
though. Pressed by journalists, he estimated the chance that Lemond
would be riding for Motorola next year to be 30%.
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SARA                                     Internet:sond0091@vm1.sara.nl
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From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Dual pivot calipers (?)
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:03:56 GMT

John Kim writes:

> As far as I can tell, the Force 40 feature on '92 Cannondale MTBs does
> sacrifice pad movement in favor of increased braking force.  It's like
> using a two-pulley system to lift a load instead of one.  With one pulley
> you get no mechanical advantage except to change the direction of force.
> With a two-pulley system, you get twice the force but must pull the rope
> 10cm to lift the load 5cm.

I find the linkages in some of these brakes are designed to confuse the
viewer.  The only way to assess what is going on is to measure how far
the pads move for a given motion of the main cable coming from the hand
lever.  Half this motion goes to each brake pad in the brakes that I
have measured.  So if you take the wheel out and measure the distance
between pads at the beginning of a 1/4 inch stroke and after, you should
get the ratio easily without a lot of trigonometry that some brakes
implement in transmitting the motion.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: allana@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Allan Armstrong)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Casio Altimeter wristwatch; was Re: Avocet 50 altitude errors
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:18:11 GMT
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)

garyw@hplsla.hp.com (Gary Wong) writes:
>
>I friend of mine has a Casio altimeter wristwatch.  On some hikes we have
>taken, I have checked a couple of Avocet 50 computers against his Casio,
>and both AV50's displayed more compressed altitude readings.  For instance
>on last Sunday hike, the AV50 read 5100 ft at the summit, the Casio 5300 ft.
>After coming back down the AV50 read 600 ft, while the Casio read 500 ft.
>
>I'm convince, on average, the AV50 give compressed altitude readings between
>sea-level and roughly 5000 ft.

I've found my Avocet 50 to be remarkably accurate with respect to road
markings and topo maps over the year and a half that I have used it. I
haven't compared it to the Casio. If you see a difference, how do you
know that the Casio is not in error?

BTW, how much does the Casio cost? It's be great if it's cheap, because
then you can display altitude on the Casio and speed on your cyclometer.
Unfortunately, there'd be no room on the bars for that trusty
pulsemeter.

Allan
From: TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Schwinn Tank must lose weight!
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:03:38 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

I have an old Schwinn Typhoon 26" crusier bicycle.  I'll be commuting a short
distance from the Calif. train station, 5 miles to work, about one mile up hill
Some of you may already know how much these beastly things weigh, anyhow, I was
wondering if it is possible to change the one piece steel crank with a bottom
bracket and 2 piece crank.  Also if it is possible to put on light weight hubs,
with 26" wheels.  Do they make a rear hub freewheel or lightweight brake hub?

                                         Tom
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: robishaw@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw x5960)
Subject: Re: MTB racing in Olympic Games
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:18:49 GMT

In article <truesdel-130892094926@cobler.ics.uci.edu> truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.190522.13934@sol.UVic.CA>, jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA (John
>Panusa) wrote:
>
>Olympic Games. Like synchronized swimming, for examaple. Maybe I've
>
And just what the hell is solo synchronized swimming synchronized with
anyway?

Gary
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