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From: rang@laputa.ics.uci.edu (Roger P. Ang)
Subject: Re: Anime vs. Disney (Oooh!  Ominous!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Reply-To: rang@ics.uci.edu (Roger P. Ang)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:36:47 GMT
Distribution: usa

Someone really wants to open a can of worms.  I'm assuming you're talking art
style and story since a lot of the animation (for anywhere) is done in the
Japan/Pacific area.

	But just as observations (hey, I like many Disney flicks), my wife
and I (yep, that's right I'm married now) finally watched "The Rescuers Down
Under" last night and noted some things afterwards:

- Bad guy often dies in the end, often in violent way.  She didn't realize
this 'til I pointed out "Snow White", "Sleeping Beauty", "The Little
Mermaid", "Beauty and the Beast", etc.  Good guy always wins and Disney
doesn't do 'Scooby-Doo' endings :-)

- Heroines or damsels in distress are often blond; evil women often have dark
hair (Snow White was an exception because the story dictates that she have
"hair as black as coal").  This really ticks her off since she's a brunette.
In "The Little Mermaid", when Ursala changes form she moaned, " ... and of
course she has to have black hair."  She was glad about "Beauty and the
Beast" because they finally had a dark-haired, good female main character.

- Disney mangles known stories for their flicks.  That really wasn't the Hans
Christian Andersons mermaid story they did and parts of "Beauty and the
Beast" were too blantantly PC (politically correct) for my tastes.  This is
like when they make a TV movie and say "Based on a true story." and it
doesn't even resemble what I read in the papers.

I don't think Anime vs. Disney is a fair comparison.  Disney does not (or
should not) equate to American-style animation.  Just as anime is defined by
many major Japanese animation studios, so is American stuff.  Don't forget
the other American animators: Bluth (yea, I know, very Disney-esque),
Amblimation (sp? the guys who do Tiny Toons), Hanna-Barbera (or for In Living
Color fans, Hanna-Barbarians), Filmation, etc.  So, given this view of
American animation, yes I prefer the Japanese stuff because there is a lot
more good stuff, a wider range of style (both in art and story), and better
artwork (in general).

                                        Roger P. Ang (rang@laputa.ics.uci.edu)
"Explode into pieces, you human!"	Grad student at the
-Princess Asrial			Dept. of Information & Computer Sci.
Ninja High School			Univ. of California, Irvine.
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From: coram@ed.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin C Coram)
Subject: Re: Dominion LD, Batman animated series
Reply-To: coram@ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin C Coram)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:02:38 GMT

In article <1616@tnc.UUCP> m0336@tnc.UUCP (RALPH JENKINS) writes:
> 
>Image's Dominion laserdisc set was at the video store today.  It

Which video store?  E-mail me this, please.  I'd really like to get
DOMINION on LD.

>And on a totally unrelated note, I just caught Batman: The Animated
>series tonight.  I was impressed!  This is the best American animation
>series I have seen in quite some time.  It doesn't pander to the
>kiddies!  This one looks like a real hit.

I'm not sure we should be discussing this here, but since you brought it up...

I didn't like it at all.  Sure, the animation was better than most cartoons
I've seen, but the story line sucked.  Werebats?  Batman eating a windshield
with his face and NOT letting go of that line?  The bad guy bragging (well,
not quite, but still) about it just before trying to kill the hero?
Come on......

On a more favorable note, I liked the gadgets, and the fact that they weren't
afraid to use dark colors most of the time.  (I get sick of all those
pastels)

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From: seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Why so bad?
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:10:02 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: seawasp@unixd2.cis.pitt.edu


	A question to the anime-fans-at-large:

	WHY is American voice-acting so abysmal? I suppose I can understand
it in the saturday morning cartoons -- those are bad to begin with and
they just use a stable of actors who, like Casey Casem, have nothing 
else to do at the moment -- but why, for example, are the same people
always doing the same bad acting and same voices for anime dubs?

	I heard one person say it's because of the amount of money 
available, but isn't that ridiculous? Unless the pay is less than 
that of a paper route, there must be thousands of fans willing to
do the dubs, and at least a few tens of those must have good voices.

	In fact, *I* would be willing to do voice dubbing FOR NOTHING
AT ALL except the pleasure of hearing my own voice on something 
I liked (and a clause in my contract saying I start getting money if
the sales of the thing sart going over some amount). I'm sure there
are other people out there willing to do the same. 

	So what is the real reason? Are these people really so clueless
that they don't realize they can do better? Are the actors all friends
of the producers and HAVE to be used or else? What?


                                 Sea Wasp
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime,rec.arts.manga
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:37:18 EDT
From: <CMH114@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Shows that shouldn't be subtitled/Dubbed
 <1992Sep10.221359.29405@tamsun.tamu.edu>

Dragon's Heaven? Can it even be considered a show? Most of it seems to be about
guys puttering about a model-animating studio. This stuff surely lasts longer
than the animation. Weird style, tho. "Moebius' Girard, yaro?

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From: krk@griffith.janet.ucla.edu (Kenneth Kindsfater)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Looking for Minki Momo (new and old series) and Creamy Mami
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:23:52 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

In article <2AAC14B6.4898@ics.uci.edu> rang@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jyan-ken) writes:
>
>Exactly what it says; I'm looking for Minki Momo episodes for the hell of it,
>with preference to the newer series starting from eps 1 (Just need more
>gab from Megumi H...)

Wow!!!  You should have been at the Expo charity auction, cells of
Minki Momo were not exactly in demand......

>But if someone has copies of the first series, I would still be interested.
>ALso looking for Creamy Mami episodes..
>and also FreeKick, if someone knows about it..
>
>Any kind soul?
>Jyanken

Anyways I sorry can't help you. I don't have them...

Ken Kindsfater              # painting chip layout and 
krk@janet.ucla.edu          # watching anime
From: dcha@flex.com (Doug Cha)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Macross II LD's for sale!
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 19:47:39 HST
Organization: Flex Information Network [Hawaii] 808.531.3539

avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee) writes:

> greetings,
> 
> 	does anyone know how many LD's of macrossII there are? (not just
> 	ones released in the US but how may to fit the entire story on)
> 	also where can i get the scripts for macrossII (and silent mobius)?
> 	thanks for your help.
 
Off topic, but my friend is selling volumes 1 & 2 of Macross II (LD).
I think he wants like $45 each, but it's negotiable.

E-mail me and I'll ask him what he thinks.

Also got another guy claiming to sell Macross II volume 1 & 2 TAPES for 
$25 each, again, mail me for info.  

*These are not my things, I'm just a messenger this time.

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From: u9259236@cc.uow.edu.au (Leslie Shing Chi Tong)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Z GUNDAM'S GIF
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 14:51:21 GMT

lonewolf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Benoy Koshy) writes:

>u9259236@cc.uow.edu.au (Leslie Shing Chi Tong) writes:

>- lonewolf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Benoy Koshy) writes:
>- 
>- >u9259236@cc.uow.edu.au (Leslie Shing Chi Tong) writes:
>- 
>- >- Z Gundam's gif(especially the female char "Four"),would anybody please giv
>- >  
>- >Wait a sec... are you trying to say that "Four" was really Char dressed 
>->up as a female!? Now things are starting to come clear in Z Gundam...:)
>                                                                       ^^
>- I meant char as in the short form of the word "character",it is the way we
>- call it in Modula-2,haven't you done ANY basic programming before?
> 
>Cheh.  If you would kindly note the little smiley at the end of my 
>sentence (underlined above) you'll see that I was trying to be funny, 
>make a joke, make others laugh etc...
> 
>Haven't you done any Usenet posting before?! :)
> 
>That last sentence was a joke, not a flame...see the smiley?!

>Ben Koshy/Lone Wolf              lonewolf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
>President of B.A.K.A.            Banzai Anime Klub of Alberta
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> ~   ~   -'|   "Sono toori yo.  Jamashimanaide!" - Noriko
sorry Ben, I didn't see it,I'm new to this group,and it was my first post,
please don't take it personally,and sorry about the remarks on the other
follow-up too.
From: dscott@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Danielle M. Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: "Huge" breasts in anime
Summary: GOD! GOING A TAD OUT OF CONTROL!
Date: 11 Sep 92 03:11:46 GMT
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix

<18eng0INNrht@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <18kesaINN1kr@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
 
 
--
 
Anyways
Why don't you guys have a contest who will be Ms. Gainax 1992!
If you guys have Moonies on the brain than it makes me wonder why 
you guys don't have girlfriends. I really think this is hilarious!
It's bad enough goign to Anime Expo and being in a room full of
otakus watching Genki Clinic and seeing there eyes pop out of 
their heads, I never laughed so much! I am surprised nobody
pop anything. 
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
BUT! this is going a little far,I am not offened, but it amuses me
that this has anything to do with anime. I know I asked a weird 
question about characters sounding like they are having orgasums
when in pain, but that was me joking around.
Please don't make everybody look bad because of this, being curious
is one thing, but it's a little too far.
Now on with the show.......
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:34:37 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1626@tnc.UUCP>, m0336@tnc.UUCP (RALPH JENKINS) writes:
> 
> The Joker will be on this Friday.

[picks Ralph by his shirt lapels and slams him against the wall]

Ok, Jenkins, 'fess up.  WHERE did you find this out?

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From: jwp@panix.com (JongWoo Park)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Rumiko Takahashi ...
Date: 5 Sep 92 02:29:22 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Sep3.185711.7229@sura.net> wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) writes:

>In article <raa.02y0@guild.socal.com> raa@guild.socal.com (Raa Lopez) writes:
>>Ningyo No Mori ... I have the Manga and I really Like It! Is there an
>>Anime of it? If so then That would be cool cuz I want it!

>Yes, there is.  I don't remember when it came out.  One OAV, I think, which
>dealt with the white-haired woman with the claw for a hand.  Don't know
>if it's any good.

It's a good OAV.  Nothing really eye popping, but it not disappointing 
either.  :-)
Mana is a great babe.  Even better than Madoka!
I dont know how it compares to the manga version, but I heard it's
nearly same.  I just hope they make more of it.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
From: marek@nmsu.edu (Marek)
Subject: Madoka request..
Organization: Computing Research Lab
Distribution: rec.arts.anime
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:10:19 GMT

Hiya..
 Just recently I grabbed a bunch of anime gifs from wpi.wpi.edu and the ones
from a series called madoka looked really nice. Could someone possibly give
me a copy of a segment of this series? I would provide the tape and the $$
for the round trip shipping. I dont care if its only a 20 minute sample.. id 
like to see it. Also.. subtitled would help me out since there is no
japanese language class in my High School (there is one at the university..
but i really dont have that much $$). :)
Thanks
Marek

marek@freedom.nmsu.edu
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From: rang@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jyan-ken)
Subject: Looking for Dominion Background Pics..
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime,rec.arts.manga
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 5 Sep 92 07:58:44 GMT


Nearing completion of a fan done artwork, I'm looking for some of the
cityscape of the world of Dominion in color from a close to street-level
view or worm's eye view..

I'm looking around to ask if there are any magazines with good cityscape
shots or ARt of Series..If there is a way to get a good shot of it, I would
appreciate a jpeg file of the background of the city (with no or as few
characters in the way of the panoramic shot from a worm's eye to straight
level view..) as large as the resolution can handle (I prefer 2048x2048
or larger any size can do)..ANy information leading to such a picture is
also appreciated..
Thanks
Jyanken
From: michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Yawara no okaasan
Distribution: world
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 12:03:54 GMT
Organization: JAFWA, Cal-Animage Zeta, Perth, Western Australia

Alright, now I'm somewhat confused. Since I can't get access to the
Berkeley ftp site (thing keeps chucking error msgs at my ftpmail
requests), I'll have to ask here.

What's the deal with Yawara's mother (and possibly father)? After the
first half-dozen episodes I had somewhat accepted that Yawara lived
with her pain-in-the-doojo grandfather, and her parents had (as is so
usual) "mysteriously died somewhere in the past". Then I get to episode
9 or so, and suddenly, up pops Yawara's mother, and (so far) assumes a
semi-permanent role. Yawara was somewhat surprised, but her grandfather
seemed openly shocked for her to return. Someone want to clue me in?

(Love the Arnold Schwarzenegger CM for noodle soup before episode 11.
I never knew he was so macho about his soup. :)

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From: donaldlf@salmon.Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Leslie F Donaldson)
Subject: Where to find Silent Mobius
Keywords: Mobius
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:38:02 GMT

I am looking for a copy of Silent Mobius.
Does anyone have An idea of where I can obtain one (note I need either 
subtitles or an English script)

Leslie Donaldson
From: vlad@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Vlad G. Pohnert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Best opening animations
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 00:18:58 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

- >episode. And that 3rd season opener--where it's done all with one long 
- >tracking camera shot (is there a word for that in animation?) where there 
- >is no cut, and everything is turned into everything else---that's great!
- 
- Yah I like that one also maybe enuf to be one of my favorite also (haven't
- seen it in a long time so I didn't mention it...) 
- 
- >:::::Larry:::::
- >(besides, I like "Kagami no Naka no Actress" song to)
- >:::::Larry:::::
- >
- >--
You like the 3rd season openning the best too! It seems not too many 
people that I know like it that much.. Mind you The song does happen to 
be my MOST favorate Anime related song!!! (I think I've worn it out on my 
Loving Heart CD - thank god I have it on Sound Colors 3 and Anime Hot 
Waves #2!!)
 
Vlad


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
From: albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku)
Subject: Re: What's the deal with BGC?
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 08:29:29 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Sep11.064048.27643@foretune.co.jp> trebor@foretune.co.jp (Robert J Woodhead) writes:
>
>Sylia is human, but her Daddy gave her a few advantages.  She sort of
>has an AI "thinking aid."  It's less clear what the situation with
>Mackie is.
>

Mackie is just a lechurous hentai who likes to look at his sister. ;)

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From: m0336@tnc.UUCP (RALPH JENKINS)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Best opening animations
Date: 9 Sep 92 03:59:39 GMT
Reply-To: m0336@tnc.UUCP (RALPH JENKINS)
Organization: The Next Challenge, Fairfax, Va.


Hey...I wonder if we can get Carl Macek to show us the SD Macross
opening on one of their "Macross Perfect Collections".  Probably not,
but I would still definitely get a kick out of it.  Did I have to be
in Japan when Macross was rebroadcast to see the SD OP?
 
  -Ralph Jenkins

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
From: tdunn@ecst.csuchico.edu (Tim Dunn)
Subject: Re: Ranma Drawing results
Organization: California State University, Chico
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 22:57:23 GMT


Yippppeeee!  I finally won something.  You aren't Ed McMahon, but I'll
bet you're probably easier on the furniture. =)  Now, watch her tell
me that I was the only person interested in that particular picture...

Bleah!

There's only one more bit of detail.  I need to send a SASE, but I don't
have your address.  Can you mail it to me.


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From: kilpatri@nextnet.csus.edu (Joseph Kilpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Nadia op animation
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:15:15 GMT
Organization: California State University Sacramento

From all the talk I have seen on the net, I take it the Naida op animation is
pretty good...it's kinda funny, but I have the Naida vocal collection 1 
and I haven't seen any Naida... :-)

O.K.  Now for the questions:

1)Does this Earth shattering animation go along with the song "Blue Water"?
2)Does the streamline version of Naida keep the opening animation?  I know
it's probably a lame dub, but I am dying to see this opening animation.  I'll
pay $15 for a tape...

Please email all replies to:
kilpatri@nextnet.ccs.csus.edu

Thanks.
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From: kennehra@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich"TheMan"Kennehan)
Subject: Re: Video Girl AI wanted (REPOST)
Keywords: VGAI
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:41:47 GMT




I have cream lemon videos...I have no idea what numbers and volumes
they are...very assorted.  There are lots of commercials in between
the episodes for other cream lemon videos too.  One thing though...
pop chaser is NOT on the tape I have.  Send me a list of anime titles
you have and we can work out a trade!!!  Here is a brief synopsis of what
is on my tape:

1)  Girl is rescued from being raped by the guy's room-mate...who drives
    her home on his motorcycle...there she comforts her brother...who seems
    to be uspet about something...late at night the brother and sister are
    both thinking about each other...and the brother comes into his
    sister's room and "knocks boots" with her.

2)  A girl is assaulted by 5 guys wearing masks...they take pictures of
    her naked and extort "favors" from her...she gets two of her friends
    together (who are "girlfriends") and they get the pictures back.
    The title of this one has "XXX" in the title.

3)  Three catholic school girls get to know each other REAL well late at
    night in a girl's dorm room.  I think the title of this one is
    "Escalation"

4)  A boy watches his sister take a shower through the keyhole...after she
    goes back into her room he comes into her room and seduces her...
    while they do "the wild thang" thier MOTHER KNOCKS ON THE DOOR
    demanding to know what's going on!  It ends there.  The title of this
    one is "Be my baby"

5)  The OAV "Project A-KO part 3"  this is a really bad copy....with lots
    of scan lines...almost unwatchable.


There...that's it.  Send me a list of anime titles you have...and maybe we
can work something out.  If you know of ANYONE who has:
"RG-Veda" 
"Burn-Up"
"Macross Flashback 2012" 
"Ariel"

Please tell me!  See ya!
-Rich
 kennehra@logic.camp.clarkson.edu
 

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From: eaiu146@orion.oac.uci.edu (Larry Mann)
Subject: Re: Looking for Author of Experiment 101-E
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime,alt.prose
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 9 Sep 92 04:18:56 GMT


I'm currently located at <eaiu146@orion.oac.uci.edu>.  Hopefully
I'll be back to "lmann" in a couple months, but I can't make any
promises right now.

Later days, all!

- Larry  [.sig accidentally erased; replacement ordered]