HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar)
Subject: Re: META: Re: RAC SPLIT
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Reply-To: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar)
Organization: SPAMIT
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:34:21 GMT

mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I understand some places are still aliasing rec.arts.sf.misc to
>rec.arts.sf-lovers, but I'm surprised if it's true that Princeton
>is not yet getting the other groups.

Sorry, that was a remark to those "in-the-know", who remembered that the
news admin at Princeton decided (not totally unreasonably) not to accept
the results of the sf-lovers vote on technical grounds.

>People who want "cross-fertilization" can read multiple groups, and
>if people don't _want_ to cross-fertilize it seems unfair to force them.

While I agree with most of your remarks, I disagree that "cross-fertilization"
will occur with people reading multiple groups.

One of the things I like about rac is the diversity of people here, and the
way that people's discussion and opinions synergize with other topics.  With
a split, the readership of the subgroups becomes less heterogenous, and more
focused (which is a good thing in most cases, but not here).  The subgroups
simply won't be as fun to read, even aliased into one big group, because
(IMHO) the contents will be altered for the worse.

>(If it's believed that traffic will rise as a result of a split,
>that's tantamount to saying that the current setup is keeping people
>out of the group.)

How do you keep someone *out* of a newsgroup?  There's only one way that
I know, and that's to tell their sysadmin to terminate news access for
that account.

Anyone can read rac now.  Many don't, either because of the traffic, or
because they think comics are for kids, or whatever.  After all, it's not like
we don't tell them the secret Suicide Squid ---erp!

[Transmission terminated at source.  You did not read anything.  Move along.]





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From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: dr.doom
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:03:37 GMT
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <cdsOAdq00awUMWDkZi@andrew.cmu.edu> cl2g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Charles Anthony Leone) writes:
>*********************************
>Actually, "Raythrax," (if that is your real name), when Dr. Doom appeared 
>in that new futuristic type armor, he suggested that ALL the appearances of
>Dr. Doom after Fantastic Four #5 were just robots, and that the real Doom
>hadn't appeared for almost 30 years.  And the amazing part is, this was
>BEFORE Tom "Alicia was really a Skrull when she married Johnny" DeFalco
>came by.  In fact, that was when Walt Simonson was on the book, if I 
>remember correctly.  Strange.
>*********************************
>
>Wrong. The appearances after #40 were robots except 259-260, 276-277,
>319, and 320. According to walt himself. he planned to elaborate on this
>but DeFalco naturally cut him off.

Also, I believe that Simonson apparently had a different story in mind for
FF #350.  He was cut off by the editor, though, and soon quit.
	His original idea involved retelling the origin of Dr. Doom,
explaining his intense hatred for Reed Richards.  Apparently, when Reed
told Dr. Doom (when they were in college) that Doom's experiment was going
to blow up, Doom checked it over, and realized it.  He then changed it, and
it blew up.  Some time later, he discovered that he was right originally,
and that Reed had caused him to doubt himself, and thereby make the
mistake.  Unfortunately, this goes against the marvel policy that Reed
Richards is never wrong. :-(

Karthik Sheka              | It's not an optical illusion.  It just looks like
kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu |  one.
karthik@cs.columbia.edu    |
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-notes
Date: 14 Apr 1992 19:17:56 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine

In article <1992Apr14.141326.21330@wpi.WPI.EDU> paladin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Ever Shifting Bearlike being...) writes:
>In article <92104.114205ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>>
>	true it has been used to excess... but the way marvel runs things is 
>  this (and i agree with it)... whatever happened to a character happened...
>  whether it happened in the future or the past... going into the past can 
>  only change the course of the "main stream" of the timeline.. all other 
>  timelines and realities are jsut different versions of the "main stream"
>  case in point... guardians of the galaxy.. vance astro while in the present
>  (a few years ago) visited himself to make himself never do the things he did
>  and he even awakened his powers in his younger self (which is why vance is a
>  member of the New Warriors, but that is something wholly different)... what
>  happened in his past was still his past while the future as far as the 
>  "main stream" is still maleable....

	Actually, I belive that the Guardians of the Galaxy takes place in
one of the alternate futures.  Vance Astro changed history way back when
he met young Vance Astrovik and awakened his mutant powers.  This Vance
will never grow up and become an astronaut and get stuck in a silly 
suit for a 1000 years.   This allows the writers to have a zillion 
year old Wonder Man and Vision, and not lock the writers into keeping
them alive. 
	[While reading various issues of Hercules and Avengers it struck
me how many Marvel characters are immortal.  I always thought it would
be interesting to see Wonder Man, Herc, Thor, Vision, Gargoyle, the Silver
Surfer, and all the other immortal Marvel characters in a hundred or so
years.]
	

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From: cm0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Craig Arno Mrusek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Iron Man art...
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:55:00 GMT
Organization: Senior, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


	A while ago someone complained about the constantly shifting personnel
on Iron Man.  I  just wanted to put my two cents in and agree.  What was
wrong with the Ryan/Wiacek team?  Being an aspiring illustrator myself,
I'm all for letting new blood take a crack at things, but a little
consistency would be nice too!


							-Craig
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: birmingh@fnalc.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham)
Subject: Re: Ex-Marvel Stuff
Organization: Aardvark Comment Sucks Club
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:54:25 GMT

In article <4ds0ADG00awS9013Ze@andrew.cmu.edu>, cl2g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Charles Anthony Leone) writes:
> 14. Conan, Groo
> 	We gotta keep these. BUT, Groo goes back to standard size and price
> like it was before.

         Yep. Gotta keep Groo. I dunno, though, I like having fewer ads and
    think that is worth paying extra for. Plus, the inside front cover is
    usually amusing, especially with Stan Sakai in a kimono with Mifune
    clan badges (a la Usagi.)

-- 
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    I don't speak for Fermilab, although my mouth is probably big enough...
    That aurally-, verbally-, and visually-challenged young person
    Sure plays a mean pinball.
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From: ewf2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Eric "JUICE" Fritzius)
Subject: Re: DC: Captain Atom Mini-series (was 92 Preview)
Keywords: Westfield Newsletter
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 04:56:45 GMT

lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) writes:

>In <1992Apr4.191414.17256@udel.edu> lintz@fred.cis.udel.edu (Brian Lintz) writes:

>>In article <1992Apr4.184037.15243@spool.cs.wisc.edu> lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) writes:

>>>Captain Atom
>>>	Well, after last-minute switching Monarch, DC now has this
>>>extra character laying around.  So they're giving him a mini-series.

>>Any idea who the team on this will be?

>Here's the details.  It's a six issue series, scheduled to begin in
>August.  It's by Jonathan Peterson (I can hear those cheers already
>:-)), with penciller Mike Netzer and inker Art Nichols.  It's a sequel
>to Armageddon:  The Alien Agenda.  CA fights a bunch of aliens who are
>trying to kill him, and Monarch who is trying to kill him.  But
>really, he just wants to retire.


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
AAAAAAARGH!

They can't do this to meeeeee!
They're going to entirely ruin one of my favorite character
s by giving it to that hack Peterson!  And after that 
letter I wrote to Denny O'Neil pleading with him
not to do this!  I hope he fought valiantly, I know I did!


$%#@
JSA

>-- 
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>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>that doesn't mean we deserve to conquer the Universe.
>	-- Kurt Vonnegut, _Hocus Pocus_
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From: teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero)
Subject: Re: Professor X (X-Men Cards)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:23:12 GMT

jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:

>If you read the inside of the discarded wrapper,it defines what Mental Level 6
>and Mental Level 7 are -- effectively, Level 6 is "multiple powerful psionic
>abilities".  Level 5 is "One single powerful psionic ability or a number of 
>weak psionic abilities" -- Storm is classified as a Level 5.  Level 7 is
>near-infinite mental power.  She kicked Chuck's butt in X-Men #136, as I
>recall.

	As I recall, it was the other way around.  During that big mental 
battle Phoenix put on a lot of flash, and Chuckie got the crap beat out of him,
but Charles beat her pretty soundly.  That's why she ended up reverting back to
Jean Grey.

>I'm paraphrasing the above, but Chuck's nowhere near an infinite power level.

	That's true also.  I imagine someone cosmic could give him a run for
his money...
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From: nc313127@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: X-thouhgts
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:06:04 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing


	Just some Ideas that been floating around.

	1) anyone notice the similarity of Cable and Nick Fury. Same eye,
	good fighters.  Another Cable life?(like Stryfe and Wildpack)
        And both are named Nickolas.

	2) Why does the 12 and the Highlord/Externals have to be one in the
	same?

	3) Is it just me or did that one of the Externals(with the Green
	voice balloons) look alot like Gambit(X-force 10)?

	4) Is Mastique(sp?) the same person as Silverfox(wolvie's girl)?

	5) What is Gambits mystery power? the one that "order the DeathStike
	program" when he was fighting Wolvie in the Danger Room(or did Jubilee
	do it becaus she is really the X-traitor)?

Blue Ninja


	
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From: esum@sol.UVic.CA (Edmund Sum)
Subject: help! need info!
Keywords: help! comics
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 12:27:40 GMT

 
I am doing a report for my advanced english composition class about
how marketing management would affect the value of a comic book in the
perspective of a comic book investor (this is my thesis question).
I have notes on the supply and demand factor, marketing mix, and
marketing analysis (you business management students should know what
I mean) and interviewed the managers of my local comic book stores.
Now I could use some feedback from you people out there on your
experiences (keeping in mind my thesis).  Of course, everyone will be
properly credited in my works cited page.
 
I do not read this newsgroup so please respond to the following
email address: esum@sol.uvic.ca.  My paper is due on April 13, so
please respond as soon as possible, if you have any information to
aid me in my research.
 
Thanks!
Ed Sum
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: INDY: Dark Shadows #1
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:18:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.9204161718.AA09687

"The Shadow" (swcramer@silver.ucs.indiana.edu) writes:

>As far as Dark Shadows, the comic, goes...  will they be going past
>the point where the television series ended?

Assuming it lasts long enough, yes.  While the "official" word on the TV show
is that iy was a 13-hour mini-series, there were scripts prepared for the
second season, and those will be adapted for issues 7-12 (could be wrong on
the numbers).

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                             |     "That's an awfully suspicious looking bulge
Jim Drew                     | you have under your jacket, Mister..."  Rolfston
jrd@frame.com                | checked his notebook.  "Case comma Justin.  What
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       | would you be concealing, hmm?"
"Innocent, but not naive."   |     Case opened his jacket to reveal a can of
B2h t w- c k s g+(p) rv p    | Jolt cola secured next to his empty holster.
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  |     "I always keep one with me, Lieutenant.
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | Just in case."
                             |		Marc Lynx, "A Conventional Death"
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor
Summary: I say it is Gambit!
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:11:58 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <9204070540.AA10333@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> DPMT@UQEVE.CC.UQ.OZ.AU (Matthew S Trevor) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.020620.7757@wam.umd.edu>
>rudeboy@next00wor.wam.umd.edu (Darrell T. Blake) writes:
>
>>	My gut feeling tells me that Bishop is the traitor of the X-Men,
>>after all, he has the power, knowlege, and strength to take them all on 
>>and win!!!!!!!!
>
>This makes sense. It would explain why Gambit never told Bishop much about
>himself (when in the future) to give himself more chance of surviving the
>betrayal...
>
>
>Matthew T


	It also makes sense that Gambit wouldn't tell Bishop about himself
to hide the fact that he is, indeed the traitor.  I think Gambit is the
traitor, employed by one of the X-Men's multitude of enemy's (Magneto perhaps?)
	I know Gambit seems too obvious, but this is Marvel, and ingenuity
is not required to sell comics as long as we all keep wondering about the
X-Judas.  If it isn't Gambit, I say Marvel won't resolve it and instead leave
it as a dangling plot teaser.

			IMHO, but that don't make it no less true,
						Raythrax
From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MISC: Letter Writers (was: Whatever happened to....?
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:36:01 GMT
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

In article <1992Apr15.134244.28843@news.nd.edu> mkelly@frumpy.helios.nd.edu 
(michael kelly) writes: [about T.M. Maple]

>	As others have said, he has "retired" from letter writing ...

>	As far as other great letter writers of the past, does anyone know if
>Colleen Doran (now one of the foremost female pencillers) is the same CD who
>used to write to the pre-Baxter LSH?

Beats me, but while we're on the topic, let me mention (for those who may
not know) that Wendy and Richard Pini met via the Silver Surfer letter
column.  Just a bit of trivia.
--
 Bill Sherman     S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n      sherman@math.ucla.edu
  "Taxes!  Taxes!  Beautiful, lovely taxes!  Ah-ha, ah-ha (forgive me a
      cruel chuckle), taxes!!"  -Prince John, Disney's "Robin Hood"
From: daikerjohnc@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Jim Lee Autograph Question (was $100 Holograms #?)
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:55:55 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA


>Whoever posted that article asking $100 for a Wolvie hologram
>must be joking or crazy!
>Heck, I bough a whole box for $13 and got 7 holograms!
>Just a sanity check for someone...


Well, this isn't for sale, but I bought a pack of those X-Men cards that were
basically cut-outs from the comic books, and found a special autograph card 
signed by Jim Lee.  
I was just wondering if it would be worth as much after he leaves Marvel, and
how much it would be worth before and after he does so. 

_JCD
From: U16244@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MUTANT: Rogue and Sexual Harassment
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:54:48 GMT
 <1992Apr14.204230.24656@athena.mit.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Apr14.204230.24656@athena.mit.edu>,
cegarcia@hagbard-celine.MIT.EDU (Carlos E Garcia) says:
>
>I'm familiar with Rogue's background and her fear of being touched/entering a
>relationship is justified.  What I would like to propose to any X-MAN or      N
>X-WOMA
>who would like to show Rogue the joys of physical pleasure is to get that
>Leech
>kid to stay adjacent to whatever room she wants to use for about an  hour or  .
>so
>Leech's power has cancelled Rogue's back in the Morlock sewers a few yrs back.
>So we get Rogue without any powers and she and Gambit can get it on.

Ah yes, I can just see it now.  Once Rogue gets it on with Gambit, she moves
on to a REAL MAN, like say... Northstar or Power Girl.  (But seriously),
Gambit freaks and gets pictures of her being unfaithful, and confronts her.

Okay, here's you and Hank.
Here's you and Hank on the ceiling,
Here's you and Hank on the ceiling, but what's with the little green midget
in the chandalier?

(All apologies to Rodney Dangerfield in Back to School.)

Doug.
From: stougheric@bvc.edu (The Wease)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MUTANT: Rogue and Sexual Harassment
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:16:52 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

. So, I reckon that
> Rogue should now just have the absorption powers she started with, no
> flight , strength or invulnerability. However the way she's been written,
> it seems to be the other way round - when was the last time she absorbed
> anyone?
> Now, maybe this is a plot device and at some point Carol Danvers will come
> screaming back into Rogues life wielding absorption powers, but personally
> I think it's more likely to be bad writing UNLESS I've missed something
> somewhere.
> 
> Mike
-- 

	Sorry, Mike...this is how they explained Rogue's 'separation'
from Danvers...

	When Rogue went through the Siege Perilous, Danvers and Rogue
were separated...each given their original bodies...one problem though...
they only had enough 'life force' to support ONE body...the effects that
this had were, normally they would have their own powers...Rogue with
absorbtion, and Ms. Marvel with flight, strength, etc...but when they
were both within a certain area of each others, they would share powers...
kinda interesting...now, another side effect of being separated...
whenever one prospered, the other decayed...Danvers was driven nuts
by the Shadow King and was beating the sh*t out of Rogue and would
have won, but Magneto interfered and wiped Danvers off the face of
the Earth...
	Now, Rogue has her original powers AND those of Ms. Marvel...
kinda strange, and I know I didn't do that great of a job explaining,
but take it for what it's worth....


	Wease



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From: rjmanno@drops.Princeton.EDU (Richard J. Manno)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Father Tree Press?
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:22:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

Hi all.

Does anyone have the address or phone number for Father Tree Press?
They're the ones that published the Complete Elfquest volumes.

Thanks.

Rich


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From: dgaxiola@athena.mit.edu (David G Gaxiola)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Youngblood out, let's get busy(tm)
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:32:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr15.232033.24357@cs.mcgill.ca>, ipkh@cs.mcgill.ca () writes:
|>    Just for the fun of it, I bought Youngblood today.  Not impressed at
|>    all. Some of these guys are the exact replica of X-Force.
|> 
|>    Vogue-->Domino
|>    Diehard-->Deadpool
|>    Shaft-->Cannonball
|>    Cougar-->Feral
|>    Sentinel-->Brigade (??) What's his face, the guy who wanted Cable.
|> 
|>    Anyway, I could tolerate the art, (if you like drawings of guys with
|>    the body of Arnold with heads the size of peas) if it was not for the
|>    consistency of the drawings.  On one of the pages,( darn book doesn't
|>    even have page numbers and half the book was upside down.  I suppose
|>    they thought it was original...NOT), Combat (who looks awfully like 
|>    Therax (??) (The guy who used to be Galactus' goffer)) has normal
|>    little ears with both arms a la Colossus and you flip to the next
|>    page, what dayya see?  The same guy with ears that would make any
|>    vulcan daddy proud and one metallic arm.
|> 
|>    Another thing, Bedrock's (who looks somewhat like Concrete) mom
|>    looks around her 20ish.  Unless I'm mistaken and Bedrock is suppose
|>    to be a kid.
|> 
|>    Man that was fun.  Anybody care to join in :).


All I can say is that I was not disappointed with it.  I didn't expect much 
and after spending $2.50 I can say I didn't get much.

I know it's the first issue, but I think I'll spend my money on something just 
a little less muscle and a lot more brains.

					--David Gaxiola


P.S. Actually I thought the coloring was really vivid and the paper was of great 
quality.

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From: afarrell@maths.tcd.ie (Andrew Farrell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: MISC: Re: SANDMAN QUESTIONS - HELP, PLEASE.
Date: 10 Apr 92 08:24:49 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.

In <BMESMER.92Apr9135017@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> bmesmer@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Carl Muckenhoupt) writes:

>In article <1992Apr9.152653.21918@midway.uchicago.edu> wen5@ellis.uchicago.edu (Stan "T2" Wen) writes:

>   In article <1992Apr4.140438.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> pdorsey@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>   >3. What else has Alan Moore done besides Swamp Thing, V for Vendetta, and
>   >Watchmen? Anything of interest to a poor fan? Ditto with Frank Miller (aside
>   >from the Elektra books, Ronin, and the two Batman graphic novels, that is.)
>   >
>Let us not forget Miracleman. Originally a feature in 2000 AD called Marvelman
>(changed when published in the US for obvious reasons), it was published by
>Eclipse Comics and I believe a few bound reprints have been issued. After 
>while Moore quit but I think it's still coming out, albeit irregularly.

It should be pointed out that it's now been written by Neil Gaiman, and is 
considered by most to be as good as, if not better than, Moore's run.

Andrew