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In article <1992Sep7.103158.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>, rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>	I just finished watching The Final Analysis with Richard Gere and 
>Kim Bassinger (don't ask).  Much of the action takes place in a light house 
>which appears to be at one end of the golden gate bridge. I've spent a lot 
>of time driving around the city, taking pictures and looking for views and 
>I don't remember any lighthouse that close to the bridge. In one scene they 
>come out to enjoy the view and have their backs turned to one of the 
>wonders of the world, the bridge. That makes me suspect that the director 
>just stuck it in for background decoration and that the lighthouse is 
>probably somewhere in Point Reyes... Right?

I think this one is a special case as "Final Analysis" is in some ways a homage 
(i.e. rip-off :-) to Alfred Hitchcock's "Vertigo". The lighthouse was 
probably positioned there to emphasize the relationship between the two films.
[It was at Fort Point, under the Golden Gate bridge that Madeleine jumps into
 the Bay in "Vertigo" - a key scene in the movie].

Mel Brooks did a similar thing in "High Anxiety" when he placed a phone booth
at Fort Point also as a reference to "Vertigo".

Cheers,

Col

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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: What are those Negroes doing with guns?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 18:06:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.233422.14312@cci632.cci.com> agc@cci632.cci.com (Anupama Chathampally - co-op) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.113813.744@calmasd.prime.com> wwr@calmasd.prime.com writes:
>>	Something else.  A major tenent of American Indian culture is that the
>>land owns them - they don't own the land.  I'm sorry, but native american's
>>have no right to any land (other than those by treaty) simply because they were
>>there first.  Before the Crow was some other, now killed off (doubtlessly
>>helped along the path of extinction by the Crows) race of peoples who claimed
>>it as their sacred lands.
>
>The Indians did sign treaties for their land only to have the U.S. break them 
>and push the Indians further west until there was no where left to go. Check out
>some history books. 

I assume you realize that what you've posted does not disagree with
the previous poster (i. e., "other than those by treaty").

It would be interesting to know how many of the land disagreements
within the Native American population were settled and later violated
with and in spite of treaties.  Or if many were, due to the smaller
population density.

GMS
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From: lewis@linac.fnal.gov (June Cummins Lewis)
Subject: Re: The Film with the fewest (> 0) actors
Organization: Fermiland, Batavia, IL
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:53:02 GMT

In article <6202@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil> jxxl@cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke) writes:
>bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>
># > Swimming to Cambodia and Monster in a Box.  Both are Spaulding Gray
># > monologues.  The first might be disqualified because it has a clip
># > from The Killing Fields, but I believe Monster has one and only one actor.
># 
># And how many does _My Dinner With Andre_ have?
># 
># (I'm beginning to think that the people posting to this thread don't really
># read this newsgroup...)
>
>Doesn't Lawrence of Arabia have greater than zero actors? We still haven't
>plumbed the depths of this infinitely fascinating topic.

Did anyone mention Kayanasquatsi (how in the heck do you spell that)?

Why am I reading this thread?

June
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From: mpl@maths.tcd.ie (Micheal Lunny)
Subject: Re: John Turturro (was Re: Barton Fink Defense)
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:57:19 GMT

bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:

>In article <1992Sep8.150634.26768@ucselx.sdsu.edu>, maxc1104@ucselx.sdsu.edu 
>(Generic Account 1104) writes:

>> Also, John Turturro's performance as the title character is nothing less 
>> than brilliant. (Check his performance as the obnoxious Pino in Spike Lee's 
>> _Do the Right Thing_ for comparison
>For even more interesting comparisons check out John in _Jungle Fever_
>and _Miller's Crossing_.  Damn that guy has range!
>He even stared in a Macbeth remake cast with gangsters...it didn't work for
>me, but was interesting.  What was the name?  _Men of Respect_ I think?

And he was IMHO most surprising in a small part in State of Grace.
A less barton Fink cahracater you could not find.  Amazing.

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From: andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek)
Subject: Re: Upcoming movies (Malcolm X)
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:37:13 GMT

Can't follow who said what here, but I just happened to catch this comment  
which I believe to be a completely incorrect statement:

"Yes, the aztecs had never fought a war, as far as I know. They were
basically a peaceful culture who sacrificed a few people every season,
but never killed one another for any conventional reason. That rhymes..."

If I understand correctly, the Aztecs had a very warlike culture, which  
included ceremonies to consume the innards (hearts) of the vanquished and  
enslaved enemy. If there's anything we know about them it's that violence  
was a major part of their society, which was probably nothing more than  
one petty dictatorship after another (where the king/ruler is revered as a  
god).

Back to the movies....

AK

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From: ahummel@ems.cdc.com (H. Austin Hummel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Film with the least actors
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:29:03 GMT
Reply-To: you@ems.cdc.com
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

I thought it was "Plan nine from Outer Space"
Lots of people no actors.
From: Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: What are those Negroes doing with guns?
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:49:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: In Effect Enterprises

In article <1992Sep7.043958.19709@Princeton.EDU>, spencer@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun) writes:
> 
> In article <BD.92Sep6142331@fluent.UUCP>, bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
> >
> >>In article <1992Sep5.183839.28257@cbnewse.cb.att.com> gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
> >
> >>In the second place, the poster did not say socialists and democrats
> >>are the same.
> >
> >I disagree again.  The post said "socialist/democrats" not
> >socialists and/or democrats, and it's my belief that he meant to 
> >equate the two, not list two separate entities.
> 
> I beg to differ.  The slash is an abbreviation for the word 'or'
> although it has also been co-opted into being an abbreviation for
> 'otherwise known as' or to show things as being synonyms.  Thus, without
> further elaboration, you can't really tell whether the original poster
> (Hope all those attributions are right, BTW) meant "socialists or
> democrats" or "socialists (which are synonymous or kinda close to
> democrats)"

At this point the discussion has wandered far enough afield from the subject
line that I can safely jump in, w/o risking emotionalism on my part. . .on the
slash as an abbreviation for "or," this is probably not the poster's intent,
as he doesn't say "socialists/democrats", he says "socialist/democrats." Quite
a difference.
As for the worldview and intense sensitivity and intelligence otherwise 
demonstrated. . .
Ah, forget it.

Kevvy Kev
 "You have already flunked your entrance exam for entrance into the University
  of Integration."
   -Rev. Martin Luther King
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From: risque@cs.uow.edu.au (Peter Castle)
Subject: Before The Show
Summary: Help
Keywords: slides, advertising
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 00:27:42 GMT

When I was in the US in August, I went to an AMC cinema.  Just before
the film there was a series of slides interspersed with the ads.
I would like to contact the company producing them, but I only saw an
800 number (1-800-SCREEN1) which I can't call from here in Australia.

If anyone has a contact number or address for the company (called NCN
or something like that) I would appreciate it.

Peter Castle
Uni of Wollongong


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From: lairdb@crash.cts.com (Laird P. Broadfield)
Subject: Re: Film with the least actors
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:05:14 GMT

Ummm, has anyone mentioned KOYYANASQUATTSI (or however you spell it.)
I don't recall it having any actors, or even human-like figures.  (Of
course, you don't have to consider it a movie, either; I figure
movies are supposed to *mean* something, not just be two hours
of visual gibberish set to horrible music....)


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From: a74k110@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Peterson)
Subject: Soundtrack for Manhunter (Red Dragon)?
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Reply-To: a74k110@phobos.ucc.umass.edu
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:30:52 GMT
X-Posted-From: phobos.ucc.umass.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


  Has anyone ever seen or found the soundtrack to this movie? I'v looked
everywhere and havn't been able to find it. Any pointers and help would 
be appreciated.  Please post or email to frc92is001@rcnvms.rcn.mass.edu.

Thanks,
  Chris



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From: andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek)
Subject: Re: A movie version of Les Mis???
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:29:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.175806.23103@rock.concert.net> black@jazz.concert.net  
(Rob Black) writes:
> Has anyone heard anything about a movie version to be made of Les  
Miserables?



There's a movie version from the fifties starring Michael Rennie that's  
quite nice. It's not a musical, thank goodness...

AK

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From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Holden's Eyes (was Re: Blade Runner...(SPOILERS))
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:06:06 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
Originator: gharris@jade.tufts.edu

In article <BuL4I5.4qs@me.utoronto.ca> steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman) writes:
>crunch@camelot.bradley.edu (Randy Bloom) writes:
>
>>That's like asking "why didn't character a know character b was going to do
>>that? didn't he read ahead?"  The eye-glowing thing is only a film device
>>to let the audience "know" who was or wasn't a replicant, and isn't
>>necessarily an accurate measure. 
>
>Wha??  Not an accurate measure?  If I saw anyone's eyes glow, I'd think
>something was up (or they got into the spice :-)  I have doubts about your
>interpretation; having replicants' eyes glow for the audience but not for
>the film's characters is lame.  You might as well have a subtitle which
>says "This is Holden; he is a replicant".

	Well, you may think it's lame, but it was the intuitive interpretation
to me, and one that bothers me not in the least.  Not everything need be inter-
preted completely literally in movies.  It is one of their strengths.

>Dave!
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From: rcbi27@marshall.wvnet.edu (DBRUM)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: howard's end...GYUCK!
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:58:10 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

Just saw HOWARD'S END. Gyuck! Drivel. Nothing to it. Beautifully filmed
outline for a movie, but no real movie. I can't believe it got ****!

Substancially weak and overly precious, H.E. is more like a comedy without
any jokes than a serious Edwardian (or whatever era) morality play. Compare
it to something like RAGTIME, which in some quadrants garnered only ***.

In a way H.E. reminds me of Huston's THE DEAD. Lots of hoopla, lots of
accolades from Huston-admiring critics, beautifully filmed and full of
proven talents, but flat.

Wouldn't watch twice. --Wouldn't have watched the first time if I'd  had
any way of knowing how paltry it *really* was. Don't expect to see it
serialized on public tv's MASTERPIECE THEATRE; it hasn't the stuff even 
for that most unremarkable venue.

--danny
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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Director's Cut (SPOILERS)
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:26:08 GMT
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Sep13.210459.9572@alc.com> woolf@alc.com writes:
>In article 5632@wam.umd.edu, dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge) writes:
>>
>>- No voiceovers by Deckard ***ABSOLUTELY NONE***
>>
>
>I read an article from _Veriety_ that must have been based on the
>original re-release last year.  According to it, there was one bit of
>narration by Deckard near the end of the movie.  I don't remember ANY
>narration in the one I saw last night.  Although apparently there was a
>little narration in last year's version, I believe Dave is correct,
>there is ABSOLUTELY NO narration in this version of the film.

Last year's raw cut had the voice over of Deckard observing Roy
dying.  It is the same as found in the regular release of the
film (something like, "I watched him die...").  This was the only
V.O. in the raw cut.  The Director's Cut did not contain any V.O.

According to the book, _Retrofitting Blade Runner_, there's supposed
to be a scene of Dekard talking to Holden in the hospital.  I don't
recall what transpired, but the scene was supposed to reinforce how
arbitrary the "man-machine" duality is: Holden, hooked up to the
respirator and other life support equipment, is now more artificial
than any replicant.  Does anyone know if this scene was filmed, or
just a gleam in People's eyes that didn't make it to the final
screenplay? (I lent my book to someone, so I don't recall what it
said)


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From: mlh@eddy.austin.ibm.com (Mike Haskell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Upcoming movies (Malcolm X)
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:45:39 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <uVaNqB1w164w@cellar.org> revpk@cellar.org (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano) writes:
>
>        Well, I might as well throw the above into some kind of perspective. 
>Calling any historical figure an "A-hole" is simply a matter of opinion, of 
>course, but the particular choice of words says more about the opinion-holder 
>than the person described. If someone described Christopher Columbus as a 
>vicious, racist slaver who contributed to the destruction of primitive 
>peoples, then one can assume that this hypothetical someone has at least 
>learned abit about his subject. However, if the same person said "Christopher 
>Columbus was an A-hole," I wouldn't expect much more of substantial criticism 
>from him.
>
>        For the record, though, I have nothing but contempt for Columbus, and 
>have some respect for Malcolm X in spite of serious disagreements over 
>doctrine, religious belief and political ideology.
>
>

We have the fortunate distinction of 20-20 hindsight on history.  I
think it is extremely presumptious (sp?) that we would "do the right
thing" in Columbus' time.  I would never envision myself as a "slaver"
but who knows in those times.  Yes, yes, it is still wrong.  I also
don't hold Malcolm X in contempt for his early beliefs either.  I
do question Spite Lee's intention in his films.  He should know
better.  If he personifies Malcolm X as an extension of his own
being, he will do a great disservice to Malcolm X, his family, and
history.  As for Columbus, the disease that was brought forward to
this continent was the real killer in my view.  There is no possible
way the european man could settle in the western hemisphere had
the indian populace not been decimated by disease that was 
unknown in this hemisphere at the time.  If you read some of the 
first hand accounts of the human sacrifices of the "civilized"
indians that Cortez met, in the original spanish, AND knowing 
the religious zealotry of the times, it is conceivable of the 
outcome as it happened.   Our vision of history is illusive at
best, but it is all we have.  To say that the indian account is
more correct than the european account is equally flawed.  
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From: williamf@umbc4.umbc.edu (TheBigBopper)
Subject: Re: Anthony Perkins: Aids: Died yesterday.
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:08:17 GMT

In article <191cbtINNjl8@aludra.usc.edu> jameskau@aludra.usc.edu (James Kaufman) writes:
>In article <190ts1INN1jl@agate.berkeley.edu> peterme@ocf.berkeley.edu (Peter Merholz) writes:
>>
>>Does anyone say how he got the virus? I heard he had a wife and kids,
>>but as we know, that doesn't mean he wasn't gay or bi... Just curious...
>><Because I seriously doubt he received it in heterosexual union, considering
>>the odds against it... It would be unwise to further scare the heterosexual
>>population about AIDS since the odds are still phenomenally against 
>>transmitting it heterosexually...>
>>
>The Los Angeles Times mentioned that he had some homosexual affairs before
>he was married; it's possible he caught the virus that way...

  Did the article mention, or does anyone know, how long he had known he
  had AIDS?   I believe I read somewhere that his children are teenagers
  which seems to make it impossible for him to have contracted the virus
  before his marriage.
From: stevep@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca (Steve Portigal)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Film stuff (restaurants etc) in NYC?
Date: 15 Sep 1992 16:07:33 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

  I'm going to NYC next month and I'd like to see some cool film stuff
while there if possible. What I mean is locations in New York that have
some relationship to films. I've been to the Carnegie Deli, which was the
setting for Woody Allen's Broadway Danny Rose. I know that Robert DeNiro
owns a restaurant somewhere. Any other interesting/cool suggestions of
restaurants, bars, or cool film-related sights would be really appreciated.
I can try and summarize when I come back..

Thanks,

Steve
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From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Director's Cut (SPOILERS)
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:02:01 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
Originator: gharris@jade.tufts.edu

In article <1992Sep15.015103.9692@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> kachun@astro.as.arizona.edu (Ka Chun Yu) writes:
>In article <ddebry.716496614@itchy> David DeBry <ddebry@dsd.es.com> writes:
>>
>>	I don't think this was a flaw, as much as an indication of
>>time passing.  It looks to me like Pris waited more than just a few
>>seconds for JF to show up.
>>
>
>One can open up a whole can of worms by saying, "Pris then would probably
>have had to stay their for several days before the marquee changed," which
>would then elicit postings about whether she could, whether J. F. comes
>home regularly or not, etc., etc.
>
>Just from what I've heard about the production, it seems that the scene
>was filmed on different days, and when they came back to shoot it again,
>the marquee had changed and they couldn't do anything about it.

	Except, of course, all of Blade Runner was filmed on a backlot set of
Los Angeles with much set-dressing.

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>>David DeBry \ Email any address. \ Finger ddebry@cc.utah.edu for details.
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From: George.Harris@bbs.oit.unc.edu (George Harris)
Subject: Re: Movies you heard were good but sucked (was Re: Most Embarassing Movie)
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 14:14:46 GMT

In article <sbarnhar-040992151951@morril6t-10.micro.umn.edu> sbarnhar@mailbox.mail.umn.edu (Dr. Barnhart) writes:
>In article <JASON.92Sep4144357@ab20.larc.nasa.gov>,
>jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin) wrote:
>
>> 
>> Barton Fink: Had to be the most boring piece of nonsense I've ever
>> 	seen. 
>
>At least you're honest about this one.  I can't believe the number of
>people who start going into cinema-art speak when they talk about this
>movie.  I think what they're trying to get across was "..it was a really
>boring, stupid, go-nowhere movie, but it won all those important awards and
>was written/produced/directed by those paragons of new cinema, the Cohen
>brothers, so there must be some kind of important commentary on something
>or other."
>
>Face facts, folks, that story ran out of steam after the first five
>minutes.

	I think what you meant to say here was `Well, I watched this movie,
and I couldn't figure out what was going on, so all thus people who claimed
to like it and that it had a lot of substance *must* have been lying, because
I couldn't possibly be as much of a dim-witted, slack-jawed drooling neander-
thal as that.'  Right.

	On the other hand, if you don't tell me what I think, I won't tell you
what you think.

>Shawn Barnhart ! sbarnhar@mailbox.mail.umn.edu
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