From: jing@hobart.cs.umass.edu (Yufeng Jing)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:09:11 GMT
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Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Massachusetts, Amherst
In-reply-to: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu's message of 28 Aug 92 01:36:00 GMT

In-reply-to: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu's message of 28 Aug 92 01:36:00 GMT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)

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* In article <27AUG199221361527@phobos.ucc.umass.edu> 
* s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:
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*   In article <1992Aug27.224141.1238@news.acns.nwu.edu>, usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes...
   >In article <l9q4hgINNs00@aludra.usc.edu> zyou@aludra.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)  
   >writes:
   >> In article <1992Aug26.192924.2705@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
   >(Usenet on news.acns) writes:
   > 
   >Thanks! I like this post of yours better than the previous ones. But let me  
   >point out that Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania gained independence before URRS  
   >collapsed.
   > 
   > 
   >Before The above three countries gained their indepence, URRS's sovereignty  
   >over them is also recognized by many nations in the world including China. Now  
   >China has also recognized these three countries too. What do you think?
   > 
   > 
   > 
   >Again I am not a Tibet independence promoter. My point here is that it is up to  
   >the people to decide their future. Why people in Illinois don't want to be  
   >independent? Why people in Hawaii don't want to be independent although the  
   >majority people there are non-white? Why Germans want to re-unite? Why so many  
   >countyies in former USSR want to leave? Why Czech and Slovakia want to  
   >seperate? I guess it's their choices, right? They vote for their futures. 
   > 
   >I bet you will feel difficult to show us that Tibet is a province of China. I  
   >don't know, you don't know either. When you criticize others of being  
   >"westernized", have you even thought that Chinese history books are also ones  
   >of least to dependent on. You might remember that there are so many changes in  
   >the Chinese history books according to the political needs.
   > 
   > 
   >I did not promote giving up anything. I promote to think subjectively, not to  
   >take things for granted and be polite to other people with different opinions.  
   >You may learn something you have never thought of from them and they will learn  
   >from you too. In fact I disagree with Tasim in some aspects but I like the way  
   >he faces all the personal attacks. I bet he was angry because he was treated so  
   >brutally but he still has not lost his individual dignity.
   > 
   >Carl
   Carl, I think you missed the point. You said that it is up to the people
   to decide. What people? Let's say the people in Tibet(I do not know
   whether it will be the majority, let's assume it is the majority) want
   to independence. But if the majority of the people in China wants to keep
   the integrety of the country, which part of the people you are going to up
   to? Do not be fooled. People do not decide anything. It is the power plays!
   China just set up diplomatic tie with Seoul. Why can China have ties
   with both Korea but nobody, even the United States, could have diplomatic
   relations with "both China"? Power! Political and Military power!
   By the way, Tibet has been a part of China since 1351! This history is much 
   longer than the history of the United States.Do you know the story of Wang
   Zhao-Jun? British role in Tibet was less than 100 years and it did not  *
   recognize Tibet's independence either.                		   *
   c.q. from MA     							   *
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In terms of the theory of people deciding the independence of theiir nation,
I feel very confused. Take Tibet Independence as an example, I never believe
that all people in Tibet would like Tibet independence from China. So some
of people would like that such Dalai, and his followers, but some of people
wouldn't. What should we do? Let people fight each other or keep it as it 
now is. 

In regard to the issue of TI, I don't know whether Tibet should be independent
or not from China. But I think that the theory of people deciding everything
finally just is a theory and it never hold in our reality. Who should decide
something? It's a issue of political science that no one solve or explain it
well. 

In fact, the intention of politicians very often plays an important role in
our real world. The final conclusion is that the strong decides the weak even
though I know that it is a barbaric logic.

I hope that the discussion about TI goes to the talk.politics.china because
it is a very political issue rather than a cultural one.


Thanks.