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From: chaz@leland.Stanford.EDU (charles andre)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: kids and LSD
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:09:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: leland.1992Apr8.110930.6056
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA

Hi,

    I don't usually read this group, but I subscribed because I have
a question.  I have a friend who's 14, and he's starting to
experiment with drugs (mostly pot and laughing gas).  Now he is
talking about trying acid.    He also tells me that a lot
 of people at his school are into acid.
       This sort of surprised me, because when I was in high
scool (ug, the 70's) lots of people were smoking pot and drinking,
but not that many people were  dropping LSD.  Also, this guy tells
me that some of his friends have been dropping acid since 7th grade (!)
   so my question is, does anybody have experience of doing acid since
an early age?  Is there any evidence that acid could be more harmful
to the brain of a young kid/teenager as opposed to the effects
on the adult brain?  What do you all think?  Thanks in advance for
any information.
From: NORML California <canorml@igc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: 08 Apr 92 01:16 PDT
Subject: Re: Who to Vote For?
Nf-ID: #R:00958B1D.09D11EA0@vms.csd.mu.edu:-1623329300:cdp:1301300134:000:733
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!canorml    Apr  8 01:16:00 1992


   FYI, Jerry Brown is the only candidate who has actually cultivated
contacts with NORML.  The head of LA NORML is a long-time supporter of
Jerry's, and has talked to him in depth about the subject.  Jerry's basic
instincts are pro-drug-reform, but he is afraid to actually come out
and call for legalizing anything at this point.  From conversations with
his staff, which is VERY sympathetic, I gather what he would do is appoint
an impartial commission to study the issue, the recommendation of which
would no doubt be similar to those of all the previous commissions with
respect to marijuana, namely eliminate criminal sanctions.  
  Hopefully though, unlike his predecessors, Brown would actually act
on their recommendations.
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Legality question concerning spores
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:12:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr13.201235.20293
    <5=wj#8n.rcain@netcom.com>
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <5=wj#8n.rcain@netcom.com>, rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>I think that technically Psilosybe (sp) spores are illegal but there is no
>real concern by the DEA beacuse they are so bloody difficult to do anything
>with if you are not a trained mycologist (I think that's what they're called)
>with a sterile lab.

Are you saying that just because the DEA is not concerned, they don't bust
the sellers?  That's ludicrous.  Under civil forfeiture, the DEA busts
anybody and everybody.

High Times prints the ads for these spores, so I would conclude they are
legal, or the magazine would have been confiscated by now.  Unlike seeds,
spores do not even contain trace quantities of the drug they produce.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
Darryl Gates, George Bush's "ideal police officer", thinks Clarence Thomas, 
a former casual drug user, should have been shot long ago.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: entrapment
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:19:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr1.225606.16703@yang.earlham.edu> alexc@yang.earlham.edu (Sperminator) writes:
>I was at home for spring break for the last two weeks and since my third 
>day home have wanted post this question (I have no net access there).  I 
>saw a few minutes of COPS and watched an undercover police officer call up 
>a suspected dealer and say he wanted to buy some coke.  The cops then 
>proceeded to bust and beat up the two young men who came to sell the stuff 
>to the cop.  My question is this:  Is that not entrapment, and is that not 
>illegal?

No, it is not entrapment.

Entrapment is when the police entice someone to do an illegal act that that
person would otherwise not do.

The main problem with what the police are doing is that they are enforcing
unconstitutional laws.  Unfortunately, our courts have upheld these laws,
the Constitution notwithstanding.

Also, beating up the young men is abuse of police power and should be illegal.
Police should be forbidden to use more force than is absolutely necessary to
the performance of their duties -- which is primarilly apprehending suspected
criminals and writing tickets.

That's another problem with police -- in many countries the police are also
empowered to resolve minor disputes without bringing in the criminal justice
system.  The US has perverted this, however.

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

"Have you ever stopped to think what life would be like without flowers?  I
 mean, what would you send to dead people?  Grapes, maybe.  Then there would
 be something to eat at a viewing."
					-Dave Barry
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Question about growing weed
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 05:40:56 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

901371d@aucs.acadiau.ca (Di Dio) writes:
: 
:  I just have a simple question that involves polination.I've
: read that if you polinate the female plant that the potential of
: the leaf goes down considerably.Well,what if I were to polinate
: one particular bud with the males polin and leave the rest for a toke
: Would the other buds be affected by this.

Depends.  If indoors turn off the fans.  If outdoors, wait for a dead calm.
The pollen gets "blow'n in the wind" pretty easily.  Do it with a little
tiny wet paintbrush and then enclose the bud in a bubble of saran wrap with
some holes punched in it by a toothpick.  You have to ask the males to leave
the neighborhood altogether though.  After differentiation, save one rooted
branch of your biggest male and sacrifice the rest.  Move that rooted branch
far away until its balls bust and collect a little pollen in a vial.  Add
water and shake.  This is just so it wont blow around when you open it.
Make sure you have showered and changed clothes before polinating the bud.

The other buds will just continue to grow and get fatter and stickier hoping
to get a little pollen.  Do a bud on a side branch though, you do not want
to touch the magnificent kola.  The selected bud will seed just fine.

When I was breeding, I selected my males for size and my females for potency.
I don't know if that's optimum but after about five years I had 10' females
by labor day that couldn't hold their own branches.  They would tear off
of their own weight.  One toke.  I mean it.  And each sense female yielded
one to two pounds dried buds.  Imagine if it were legal!  One kind soul
could supply a small town in his side yard.
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
From: 01jlpalmer@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Pot
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:14:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Apr7.201408.5801

As a matter of interest:

Any of you know off-hand how "Pot" came to be used as a term for 
Marijuana?  I haven't been able to make the connection.

J

-- 
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From: uk09365@nx02.mik.uky.edu (robert i kesten)
Subject: Re: 60 Minutes piece on the Forfeiture Law
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:41:01 GMT
X-Bytes: 

In article <1992Apr7.193851.9037@zip.eecs.umich.edu> jwh@citi.umich.edu  
(Jim Howe) writes:
> kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
> 
> >There was a thing on "60 Minutes" about the 1984 Seizure Law.
> >Apparently, the police have the right to take anything and everything
> >they want to at any time if they _suspect_ drugs are in any way  
involved.
> >They don't even have to charge you with a crime, and they can keep what
> >they've seized.  One guy had to buy back his own seized jet at a gov't
> >seizure auction.  That is bullshit.  I suspect that this law may be 
> >ruled unconstitutional, go to the Supreme Court, and be ultimately  
upheld
> >by the ultra right-wing court.  Maybe, maybe not.  But it is a very bad
> >law.  
> 
> My understanding from the information presented in the story was that
> the law had already been challenged and found to be constitutional.
> Does anybody know what the test case was and what rationale was used
> to determine the constitutionality of the seizure law?  Is the 
> decision online somewhere?
> 
> 
> James W. Howe                  internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu
> University of Michigan             uucp:  
uunet!mailrus!citi.umich.edu!jwh
> Ann Arbor, MI   48103-4943         
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: shrooms...pot and ...(cont)
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:32:49 GMT

voss.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
>however this does not  apply to cocaine or heroin since these are under
>fall under congress'es power to protect general welfare since the 
>physically addictive,socially destructive nature of these drugs are known 
>even among us who favor legalization of pot and mu
>shrooms

Cocaine isn't physically addictive, alcohol fits the criteria, and your
formatting is awful. 

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu  (anon: ap.4497@layout.berkeley.edu)
University of Washington, Seattle.    Disc: if UW ever finds out what I post... 
alt.drugs FTP site: milton.u.washington.edu[128.95.136.1] dir:/public/alt.drugs
               For quotes and other useless info see my .plan
From: bird@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Ethyl Chlorate
Date: 8 Apr 92 06:23:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: math.1992Apr6.225049.7712
Reply-To: BIRD%oak.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: The CIRCA Underground

In article <rjck9INN1aq@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, kkruse@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Korey J. Kruse) writes:
>
>I've heard of stuff called "locker room deodorizer" or "RUSH" and was
>told that it was most likely Amyl Nitrate or something similiar.  I'm
>not a chemist or anything, but I exhaled all the air out of my lungs
>and took a deep breath of the stuff that was stored in a little bottle
>as a liquid.   I got a huge head rush from the stuff.  I could actually
>feel the pressure in my head.   This was pretty cool when I was already
>high, but have been told by many people that this is dangerous, although
>I've never heard of any deaths or horrible effects personally.   I
>haven't seen this stuff for a few years though.

Amyl nitrite (locker room deoderizer, aka rush) was made illegal (at least in
FL, dont know about federal law) i think in february '90. some girl in texas
appearantly tried to drink the stuff and died (or came close). in my opinion,
this was about as smart as trying to drink nitrous oxide. clueless!

-bird

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: Re: Asset Forfeiture and You
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 11:47:53 GMT

In article <+rljb2_.rcain@netcom.com> rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>I got a nifty little catalog of catalogs from Damark yesterday and one
>of the catalogs was guess what: where to locate and buy the property
>siezed by the FBI, DEA, CIA etc.  "In your area."  "Cars, boats, clothing,
>even houses!"  No drugs though dammit.

How much below prevailing rates does this stuff go for?  Perhaps
somebody with excess cash could buy seized property and give it back
to its rightful owners.  I would find it particularly satisfying to
donate to a charity which helped those homeless people in that
position due to governmental shaftage.

>Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu


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From: bauhaus@ziggys.cts.com (Guido T.)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: just a question
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:33:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: ziggys.ZaDwiB1w164w
Organization: Ziggy's Den Of Iniquity, East of East SD CA

> In article <lamontg.702267431@milton> lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont
> 
> >In my experience stoners aren't the only people who smoke pot.  Jocks, 
> >cheerleaders, nerds, from damn near every social clique in my high school yo
> >could pick out people that smoked pot.  The "stoners" were just one particul
> >clique.

Not where I live.  Everyone's into the "Just Say Conform" message.  Of 
course, they drink.  Alcohol isn't a drug (sarcastic smirk).~r

Otherwise, there's the stoners, and the intellectuals (that's us).  
There's at least xD50 stoners, and mabye 5 i{tellectuals.  This is in a 
school ofbout 600.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: WARNING ! Hot New Drug of Abuse
Organization: Hewlett-Parkard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:16:26 GMT

hughes@gary.enet.dec.com (Gary Hughes - VMS Development) writes:
: 
: In article <1992Apr8.200727.989@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes...
: >Something of interest to us all ...
: > 
: >A local TV station located in West Palm Beach FL. (WFLX) reported in a
: >news broadcast just a couple of day ago that there was a new and dangerous
: >mind-altering substance being abused by the Jr. and Sr. High school students
: >there. This fearsome substance was ... get this ... AIR ! Apparently, the
: >practice of hyperventilation is now in vogue. It makes you tingly and
: 
: The Esalen Institute was (is?) offering courses on using hyperventilation to
: acheive altered states. Stanislav Grof was involved in these at one stage.
: 
: gary

They were also wrong in believing that it is something new. I remember kids
doing that, when I was a child. That was a couple of centuries ago - I am
sure that the practice has been around a lot longer than that.

Bill
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From: peter@cybnet.toppoint.de (Peter Much)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.fan.john-palmer,alt.postmodern,alt.angst
Subject: Re: alt.cascade anyone? (was Re: Aaaaaaaiiiieeeeee...)
Date: 6 Apr 92 03:00:08 GMT
Organization: CybNet Kassel, Germany

In article <1992Apr4.183211.27049@uunet.uu.net>, ziegast@uunet.uu.net (Eric W. Ziegast) writes:

> May I suggest that a new alt group be created?  alt.cascade
> I'm sure alot of people can have fun with these, and these
> articles deserve a place of their own.

I appreciate!

Peter

-- 
Peter Much, Koeln. Str. 22, 3500 Kassel; Voice +49 561 774961; Data 775177
From: 891034d@ace.acadiau.ca (PETER F. DEARMAN)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Any hempseed recipes out there?
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:31:51 GMT
Organization: Acadia University


I've read that hemp seed is very nutritious.  So, does anyone know how to 
make it edible or palatable?  I was thinking it could likely be turned into 
tofu type mash or something.  Also, how does one efficiently harvest the 
seeds as a food crop, and are there varieties available that have a high 
seed yield?

--Peter Dearman--
From: craig@ug.cs.dal.ca (Ryan Craig)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Mushrooms
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:00:10 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

In article <1992Apr07.102901.26802@microsoft.com> jeffc@microsoft.com (Jeff Carey) writes:
>In article <ikqHiB1w164w@Bogus.COM> maddog@Bogus.COM (Matt Mcfarland) writes:
>>Also.. How do shrooms compare to acid when it comes to tripping?
>
>Far superior:
>	1) peace of mind knowing *where they came from, and what they are*
	***Assuming you do know what they are and where they came from.
	There are all manner of mushrooms, many of them similar appearing,
	and some can be deadly, or make you sick at the very least.  Now, if
	you can get some good fresh ones of the proper type (know for sure)
	and then culture your own, you would have a really good source.

>	2) peace of mind knowing *the approximate doseage*
	Dosages of acid per hit are approximately the same

>	3) natural sources are, for many, superior to synthetic
>		sources simply *because*...more peace of mind, for me.
	See above.  Nature produces some of the most potent toxins known.
	Natural != safe.

That being said, the couple of times I had access to magics I liked them
(this was quite some time ago, before I tried acid or even hash), and I 
wouldn't mind trying them again, now that I'm more experienced.
-- 
+--------------------------------------------------+-------------------------+
|Ryan Craig: Comp Sci Co-op, Dalhousie University  |  Disclaimer: My opinions|
|craig@ug.cs.dal.ca               are mine, all mine, and you can't have them|
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From: zane@infopls.chi.il.us (Sameer Parekh)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Cannabis smoke
Message-Id: <1992Apr8.358966.Zal8j@infopls.chi.il.us>
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 17:13:06 CDT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

hagerp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Paul Hager) writes:

> 
> 	The solution to the smoking problem is to legalize
> MJ, end the drug war, and either break up or otherwise gut
> the tobacco industry.  Following this, make the RJR "smokeless
> cigarette" drug delivery system available for nicotine and the
> cannabinoids.  In principle, such a drug delivery system should
> greatly reduce carcinogens mixed with the desired drugs.
> 
> 	In a very real sense, I think the 300K to 400K people
> who die each year from the health effects of tobacco smoking
> are really unintended victims of the drug war.  I've made that
> argument in other posts.
> -- 
> paul hager		hagerp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu
> 
> "The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason."
> 			-- Thomas Paine, _The Age of Reason_

        I think the number is something like 450 thousand now.  (USA 
Today? I am unsure of the source.)

---
Sameer Parekh   zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM      zane@infopls.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: Re: Who to Vote For????
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 11:20:56 GMT

In article <52640@mimsy.umd.edu> tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:

>his invasion of Panama...the list goes on and on. If the race is close
>in November, I'll throw my vote to whoever the Democrats pick (barring
>some revalation that Clinton is even worse than Bush, and that would
>be really, really hard to to.) If it doesn't look close, I might

Bear in mind that when you are trying to get elected, it is not yet
chic to advertise in so many words that you plan to ream the
Constitution.  Clinton has said nothing to convince me that he's any
better than Bush -- he could even turn out worse.  He looks to me like
an all-around authoritarian talking like he's trying to get elected.
I'll admit that I'd consider voting for him if the race is close, just
because I'd like to see Bush rot in place, but it would be irrational.

(Remember that what counts is whether your *state* is close; if you're
only concerned with sending a message, then Bill Clinton sends the wrong
one.)

>Tom Swiss/tms@flubber.cs.umd.edu| "Born to die" | Keep your laws off my brain!

   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu
From: voss.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: quoting
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:16:38 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

can't you people just use quotes or paraphrasing rather than cutting and 
pasting whole paragraphs it gets real tedious reading the same cut and 
paste paragraphs in 15 different messages

by the way i support clinton because he smoked pot! :)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cgw@sol.acs.unt.edu (christopher williams)
Subject: Re: fun with inhalants...NOT!
Originator: cgw@sol.acs.unt.edu
Organization: University of North Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 21:30:25 GMT

In <1992Apr10.225240.862@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>: and were mentally incapacitated.  If you don't believe me, get a history of
>: your local police log.  These incidents seem to happen periodically, and
>: you can probably find someone in your area who has done the same thing to
>: themself.  Incidentally, the glue they were sniffing was essentially epoxy,
>: namely, it was probably not that different from model glue.
>
>Sorry, the catalyst in epoxy is completely different that the solvent used
>in model airplane glue. The physiological reactions are also different to
>the two substances.
>
>: While I'm at it, I'd like to warn people against using freon.  My neighbor,
>: a moron at best, was inhaling it, and managed to spill the liquid on his
>: mouth.  I happened to run across him that night, and his lips had swelled
>: to three or four times thier normal size.  He went through quite a bit of
>: plastic surgery to scrape the scar tissue off his face and reconstruct his
>: mouth.
>
>Must have been quite a bit of freon. Also, the problem would have been from
>freezing of the tissue, not a toxic reaction. 

not to mention the fact that Freon(tm) is a flourocarbon, and therefore
enviromentally dangerous. inhaling something that's KNOWN to damage
the atmostphere is just plain stupid, IMHO.

>Bill

-cgw-

ps: actually, it wouldn't have to be a lot of Freon. i used to work
in the refrigeration industry, and have had the tips of my fingers
frozen almost-solid in about 2 seconds. Bill is probably correct
that it would be from freezing, but isn't Freon a solvent? 

oh, and if you ARE stupid enough to inhale Freon, don't do it
near an open flame. when Freon oxidizes, it produces phosgene
gas. believe me, just a few ppm of phosgene really makes your
nose burn.

--
christopher williams   cgw@unt.edu  +1 817 565 4161  Just a guy
lead programmer/operator, university of north texas  made of dots and lines.
From: honig@thalia.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Subject: Re: Cannabis smoke (THC solubility)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Reply-To: honig@ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Organization: UC Disneyland, Dept. of Info. & Comp. Sci.
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:42:22 GMT

 rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr) writes:
>:
>: Do you really think generations of heads would use bongs if they
>: eliminated some of the happy juice?  No.  THC is not water soluble
>: so it goes right through the water (mostly) and into your lungs.
>: Then the fun begins.
>
>It is not a matter of solubility.  It is condensation from the gaseous
>state induced by the heat back to the natural state (liquid I believe)
>of THC.  It would appear in the gunk that accumulates.  The fact that
>you can catch a buzz from the gunk implies that this is occuring.
>
>Bob

I dunno Bob, what about double-blind controls?
And where do you get placebo gunk?
:-)



--
David A. Honig

"Oh, a vegetarian, eh?  Well, at my house, even the plants eat meat."