From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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Subject: Re: We noticed "wieneramus" of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:15:05 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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In article <zoltan.40.722145485@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au> zoltan@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au (Zoltan Schreter) writes:

>>There's a little pronged fork sticking up at the end of your abdomen. 
>>The truth needs to be told over and over again. There are Armenians 
>>who of course do know the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslims between 
>>1914-1920 but their voices of truth are suppressed today in the hollow 
>>din of the well-orchestrated anti-Turkish campaign by the ASALA/SDPA/ARF 
>>Terrorism Triangle. 

>I've been reading your postings on these things. I must say, it was new
>to me that - as you say - Armenians committed genocide againts Turks.
>I used to know only of a Turkish genocide committed against Armenians.

Well, I'll not waste words. Just for the sake of discussion, I will omit 
all other massacres and atrocities committed by the Armenians against 
the Turkish civilian population during the numerous wars and war-like 
activities between 1914-20 and limit my comparison only to the activity 
of the Armenian government between the Armistice and the last Turco-Armenian 
War in 1921 to that little more than two-year period when Armenia was a
recognized independent sovereign state and a state of peace between Turkey 
and Armenia was existing.

I will leave aside all the savagery and massacres of Armenians, Armenian
irregular bands, and the Armenian Army, but will just mention to you the
greatest of all their endless crimes.

The two years of their independence was the only time in which they had
complete political control upon their alien population. The entire Turkish
population of Armenia (which they called Tartars) constituted at least about
40% of the total population of Armenia was deliberately exterminated. (For
the population statistics, please look to the book of Richard Hovannessian,
"Armenia on the Road to Independence.") I listed three books earlier of such
a monstrous crime by the writings of one Armenian, one American, and one
British. They are: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard A. Hartill; "Adventures
in the Near East, 1918-22" by A. Rawlinson; "World Alive, A Personal
Story" by Robert Dunn. Also, I personally have copies of documents of this 
crime by the writings of two Armenians and also one American. The official 
British report about this massacre mentioned in one of these documents 
(Lord Curzon-Aharonin interview) is the report of the British High 
Commissioner to Caucasia, Sir Oliver Wardrop.

By Rachel A. Bortnick 

"A more appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the
 systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of the 
 independent republic of Armenia (which lasted from 1918 to 1921),
 which consisted of at least 30-40 percent of the population of that
 republic. The memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated 
 in and eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in
 1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."

 1."Men Are Like That" by Leonard A. Hartill, Bobbs Co., Indianapolis, 
   1926

   Memoirs of an Armenian Army Officer translated to English and
   published by a member of American "Near East Relief Organization."
   Gives the whole account of the genocide of all Turkish and Moslem
   people in Armenia organized and executed by Armenian Government and
   Army. Also gives account of countless other massacres and atrocities
   against the Turkish people in Armenia.

 2."Adventures in the Near East, 1918-22" by A. Rawlinson,
   Dodd, Meade & Co., 1925

   Eyewitness account of the same genocide by a British Army Officer.

 3."World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn,
   Crown Publishers, Inc., New York, 1952

   Another eyewitness account of the same genocide by an American 
   Officer.

 4."From Sardarapat to Serves and Lousanne" by Avetis Aharonian,
   The Armenian Review Magazine, Volume 15 (Fall 1962) through 17 
   (Spring 1964)

   Memoirs of the chief Armenian delegate to the Paris Peace Conference
   were published in the Armenian Review Magazine in 13 articles from
   Volume 15 (Fall 1962) to Volume 17 (Spring 1964). These memoirs 
   include an interview between Aharonian and British Foreign Minister 
   Lord Curzon in which above-mentioned genocide was discussed. The 
   official report mentioned by Lord Curzon is the report of British 
   High Commissioner to Caucasia, Sir Oliver Wardrop.


Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages). 
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5 
 million Muslim people)

"Foreword:"

"For example, we were camped one night in a half-ruined Tartar mosque, the most
 habitable building of a destroyed village, near the border of Persia and
 Russian Armenia. During the course of evening I asked Ohanus if he could tell
 me anything of the history of the village and the cause of its destruction.
 In his matter of fact way he replied, Yes, I assisted in its sack and 
 destruction, and witnessed the slaying of those whose bones you saw to-day
 scattered among its ruins." 

p. 20 (second paragraph).

"Our men armed themselves, gathered together and advanced on the Tartar
 section of the village. There were no lights in the houses and the doors
 were barred, for the Tartars suspected what as to happen and were in great 
 fear. Our men hammered on the doors, but got no response; whereupon they
 smashed in the doors and began a carnage that continued until the last
 Tartar was slain. Throughout the hideous night, I cowered at home in terror,
 unable to shut my ears to the piercing screams of the helpless victims and
 the loud shouts of our men. By morning the work was finished."

p. 203 (second paragraph).

"One evening I passed through what had been a Tartar village. Among the 
 ruins a fire was burning. I went to the fire and saw seated about
 it a group of soldiers. Among them were two Tartar girls, mere children.
 The girls were crouched on the ground, crying softly with suppressed
 sobs. Lying scattered over the ground were broken household utensils and
 other furnishings of Tartar peasant homes. There were also bodies of the
 dead."

p. 204 (first paragraph).

"I was soon asleep. In the night I was awakened by the persistent crying of
 a child. I arose and went to investigate. A full moon enabled me to make
 my way about and revealed to me all the wreck and litter of the tragedy
 that had been enacted. Guided by the child's crying, I entered the yard of
 a house, which I judged from its appearance must have been the home of a
 Turkish family. There in a corner of the yard I found a women dead. Her
 throat had been cut. Lying on her breast was a small child, a girl about a
 year old."

Source: "From Sardarapat to Sevres and Lausanne" by Avetis Aharonian. The 
Armenian Review, Vol. 16, No. 3-63, Autumn, Sep. 1963, pp. 47-57.

p. 52 (second paragraph).

"Your three chiefs, Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian are the ringleaders
 of the bands which have destroyed Tartar villages and have staged 
 massacres in Zangezour, Surmali, Etchmiadzin, and Zangibasar. This is
 intolerable. Look - and here he pointed to a file of official documents
 on the table - look at this, here in December are the reports of the last
 few months concerning ruined Tartar villages which my representative
 Wardrop has sent me. The official Tartar communique speaks of the
 destruction of 300 villages."

p. 54 (fifth paragraph).

"Yes, of course. I repeat, until this massacre of the Tartars is stopped
 and the three chiefs are not removed from your military leadership I
 hardly think we can supply you arms and ammunition."

"...it is the armed bands led by Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian who
 during the past months have raided and destroyed many Tartar villages in
 the regions of Surmali, Etchmiadzin, Zangezour, and Zangibasar. There are
 official charges of massacres."

Need I go on?

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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