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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: Re: N Tahoe fatalities
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:12:50 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <C0HvtA.B7p@inews.Intel.COM> jreece@sousa.intel.com writes:
>In article <C0GKLF.39L@inews.Intel.COM>, jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece) writes:
>
>> On yet another note, a family of three is missing after heading from
>> the SF area to Utah via Tahoe during the height of the recent storms.  The
>> presumption now seems to be that they went off the road and won't
>> be found till the spring melt.
>
>Oops, spoke too soon.  The husband walked out ang got help.  Apparently
>they decided to bypass the mess in central Sierras by taking going around
>the southern end, and then taking a shortcut northeast across Nevada
>via deserted gravel back roads signed "Not Maintained in Winter".

Reminds me of the time I took a "short cut" late one winter night, driving
from western Canada into the US.  Ignoring the inner voice of wisdom, and
driving for several hours on desolate gravel roads, at around midnight I
reached the border.  There was a locked gate and a sign saying "Open
at 8:00am."  So much for short cuts.

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:14:25 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 05/16 Technique
Organization: Toyz R. Me
From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: Re: tire chains
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:29:04 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Fly GlenAir
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

 r.e. which wheels to chain up on your 4X4. This is in the FAQ (we see
 it every year). You'll always get at least three responses to the
 question:

  1) Chain the front.
  2) Chain the rear.
  3) Chain both.

 All three responses are always written with an authoritative tone.

 The *best* answer we've been able to come up with is:

  4) Consult your owner's manual. 

 Believe it or not, it's actually in there for most 4WD vehicles. My
 1989 Toyota pickup says chain the rears...your mileage may vary.


 Of course you could always just go buy a Pisten Bully, but that's a bit
 extreme for most folks...

 ..glen

    What the heck...I'll start something here. All you people who own 
    4X4 vehicles go cosult your owner's manual. Send me e-mail (do NOT
    post!) telling me:

      Vehicle year/type      Chain front or rear.   

      eg:

      1989 Toyota PU         Rear.


    Simple, eh? I'll sumarize to the net and in the FAq.


  ..glen again.
From: merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Snow, Snow, snow....
Date: 12 Jan 93 04:16:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: romulus.MERLYN.93Jan11201600
Organization: Stonehenge Consulting Services; Portland, Oregon, USA

>>>>> In article <1993Jan11.181649.26766@univel.com>, jason@Utah.Univel.COM (Jason S. Ehrhart) writes:
Jason> At Alta yesterday, it was bottomless, they only had Germainia open
Jason> and only the Traverse was open for skiing. It was snowing so heavy
Jason> at times that your tracks would be burried before you could get back
Jason> up to the top of the lift. I was told that the base is now over
Jason> 130", and they have roped off under the Germainia lift so people
Jason> skiing down there don't get hit with skis dangling from the chair.

So 130" is a lot there?  We've also been reporting snow in *feet*
instead of inches at Timberline (Mt. Hood, Oregon) as soon as we
crossed 10 feet (even the new snow overnight is measured in feet
sometimes :-).

Jason> This is awesome. 

Agreed. :-) Not a bad season to make my second season.  Going up for
day number 12 tomorrow.

Just another hack skiier,
--
Randal L. Schwartz / Stonehenge Consulting Services (503)777-0095
merlyn@ora.com (semi-permanent) merlyn@reed.edu (for newsreading only)
factoid: "Portland, Oregon, home of the California Raisins and Lone-Star Beer!"
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: smmyers@foghorn.srv.pacbell.com (Sean Myers)
Subject: Re: tire chains
Organization: Pacific Bell OSSEM
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:20:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.223602.6241@nas.nasa.gov>, blake@wk60.nas.nasa.gov (Matthew W. Blake) writes:
|> I have a 1988 Toyota LandCruiser that I acquired only 8 months ago.  I've
|> never had a 4x4 before.  It's got new Goodyear Wrangler AT tires.  My question
|> is 2 fold:
|> 
|> 1) Does anyone know California/Nevada snow chain requirements for me;
|>    specifically when "chains are required" is posted do I need them or
|>    can I pass through in 4WD with only all terrain tires, not snow tires?
|> 
|> 2) If I need chains, do I put them on front or rear?

     If you need to put on chains, and you are already in 4WD, then you put them on the FRONT.  If you have two sets, go ahead and put them on all 4.

|> 
|> I have several years of experience with front and rear WD cars and chain
|> use in the snow, but 4WD is new to me.
|> 
|> Thanks for any info you want to share on this,
|> 
|> Matt
|> blake@nas.nasa.gov
|> 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: N Tahoe fatalities
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 18:58:43 GMT

In article <C0HvtA.B7p@inews.Intel.COM> jreece@sousa.intel.com writes:
>> On yet another note, a family of three is missing after heading from
>> the SF area to Utah via Tahoe during the height of the recent storms.
>
>Oops, spoke too soon.  The husband walked out ang got help.

Ah, Black Rock Desert Roads (otherwise interesting roads).
Not gravel roads really.

The story is not over yet.  The husband and wife might lose a few limbs:
toes, feet or legs.  They shall see....

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			3 down 1 to go.
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:00:07 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 06/16 Transportation
Organization: Toyz R. Me
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Mt. Baker, Washington
From: carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters)
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:38:03 GMT
Organization: L.A. Dept. of Water & Power

In article <chrism.726867220@sfu.ca> chrism@fraser.sfu.ca (Chris J. McKee) writes:
>Anyone know the current prices for lift tickets at Mt. Baker?

I just skiied there last Saturday.  I paid $19 for a half day and seem to
recall the full day price being $24 but I'm not sure.  Snow coverage and
quality was good.  This was my first time and I was impressed and intimidated
by all the cliff bands.  It was a crystal clear day and the views of
the surrounding peaks and glacier were stunning.  Have a good time!



-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Carlson Peters			L.A. Dept. of Water & Power
carlson@manta.dwp.la.ca.us	111 N. Hope St., Room 1129
213.481.7898			L.A. CA 90012
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bowen@esdeng.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Info on Chamonix?
Keywords: France
Reply-To: bowen@esdeng.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:41:34 GMT



>>Two things I'd recommend before skiing in the area: one is radar reflectors,
>>and the other is good accident insurance that will pay for a helicopter rescue

Ditto, and 100% sure if you're going to do the Vallee Blanche.

The Radar is known as RECNO, many European ski suits now have it sown on.
You can buy stick on patches from many ski shops.

When you buy your ski pass you can also buy, for a small extra charge a
'Carte Neige' which will pay for you to get of the mountain ! as rescue cost can soon reach '000's of Dollars it's well worth the price.

Kevin

St Anton This weekend
Les Arc Feb 20-27
Chamonix Feb 27-Mar 6

See you on the Piste...
From: nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: All I wanted was info on skiing!!
Date: 7 Jan 1993 17:10:44 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

<sroka@evax.gdc.com> writes

> ... WHAT THE HECK DOES THIS COLORADO REPORT ON
> GAYS, LESBIANS AND BISEXUALS HAVE TO DO WITH SKIING???

Well, it's like this.  When you find that everyone you know has
gotten tired of listening to you, and crosses the street when you
are seen approaching, then it's therapeutic to post your thoughts
to a forum which can't reject them.  Some people just don't have
enough sense to keep their mouths shut.  In days gone by they
traded scintillating points in letters to newspaper editors.

It is unfortunate that some don't have the courage to use pertinent
Subjects, thus preventing the rest of us from making informed choices
about whether or not to read what they've excreted.

Ric
From: rstern@col.hp.com (Richard Stern)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Colorado Ski Report, for real
Date: 6 Jan 1993 22:45:09 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpcslb1.col.hp.com

carl@neocad.com (Carl Stern) writes:
> >                              COLORADO SKI REPORT
> >--------------------------------------------***********-----------------------
> >Mountain Cliffe         |  4   4  |  25     |         |p/pp |  33
> 
>      So where is Mountain Cliffe?  This is a new one this year.
> Is it a renamed Ski Broadmoor or Conquistador? 
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes, it's what used to be called Conquistador.

Richard Stern
rstern@col.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: chill@uceng.uc.edu (Charles Hill)
Subject: Water Ski Group
Summary: New group or Mailing list
Keywords: Waterskiing, Barefooting, Newgroup
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 13:56:44 GMT

Anyone interested in a waterskiing newsgroup or mailing list send me mail to:

chill@uceng.uc.edu

Thanks,

Chas
-- 
Charles S. Hill   _ UC Department of Materials Science and Engineering
 oooO   Oooo    // \  0          |__|  hillcs%ML%WPAFB@mlgate.ml.wpafb.af.mil
 (  )   (  )   /    \\-\_________\  /        or hillcs@picard.ml.wpafb.af.mil 
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From: bassuk@stein.u.washington.edu (James Bassuk)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: stinky boots
Date: 12 Jan 1993 21:18:50 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

kasha@twolf4.ee.washington.edu (Dan B. Kasha) writes:

>Sorry bout the dull post, but I ski in my boots every two days, and well they
>are getting ripe.  Lange XRi's.  Anyone know the best way to wash deoderize
>or other a pair of boots?

Pull out the liners, open them up at the tongue, and let 'em sit in
a well-ventilated area.  Maybe a shot of Lysol too, eh?



********************************************************

   Jim Bassuk, Ph.D.
   Dept. Biological Structure, Univ. of Washington
   NetworkAddress:  Bassuk@U.Washington.Edu  

   'Did I say what I meant or did I mean what I said?'

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From: cd1y+@andrew.cmu.edu (C. Mark DelSesto)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Happiness
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:54:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.MfGc8am00WB3Qq8S52
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

When did skiing cease to be an individual sport?  I'd say it was fairly
recently.  I kills me when I see people agonizing over how they appear,
whether they're "graceful" or ungainly.  Who cares?  Ski the way YOU want
to ski.  The way that feels natural.  I'll bet that's the way it used to be-
there were no right and wrong techiniques.  Just you and the mountain.
Playing the fine line of control, thriving on the adrenaline highs of
your own accomplishments.  That's why I ski; I do it for myself.  Some people
may not agree, but for these same reasons I have an aversion towards
lessons.  I have never taken one, but I have never wanted to either.  Maybe
I look like a sack of shit, but I have fun.  A lesson is like giving in to
the popular opinion of what is the correct method of getting down the hill.
I enjoy the complex task of learning, and I prefer to do it at my own, unique
pace.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: joemac@eff.org (salvador dali lama, ksc)
Subject: Re: Amendment 2 Yet Again (was Re: Colorado Ski Report)
Followup-To: alt.go.eat.shit
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:34:31 GMT

Liz (et al),

Get a real life and keep the god-squad religious bullshit of rec.skiing!

--

                      "CONNECT THE GODDAM DOTS!"
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bep1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (bentz.e.puryear)
Subject: Re: Blue river
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:19:50 GMT

From article <C0prG4.L7x@ncube.com>, by root@ncube.com (Operator):
> 
> Does anyone have any info on Canada's Blue River.
> I hear they have helicopter skiing. Where is it, and
> what are the prices for helicopter lift and lodging?
> 
> ---
> 
> 
> 
> Captain Zod...
> zod@ncube.com                                                         
>                                                                       ^~
Just got back from Blue River. I skied from Jan 3 to Jan 7 at Mike Wiegele
Helicopter Skiing. It was great. I plan on writing a trip report and posting
it but only second day back and have been busy. This is my second trip up 
there and this time I was in Mike's private group. It was a gas we skied
some of the steepest tree runs I ve ever been on. We always were the first
group even skiing around and through other groups to be the first. We
were just fill in's for the group and did not know anyone to start. Never
had to wait on the heli it was always there for us only two groups on our
heli. The cost is high but they had a deal where if there were seats open
two weeks or less before going then you got a large discount, also, it was
the last week of unlimited vertical lift. After 100,000 feet in a seven day
package you are charged a extra $14 per 1,000 vertical feet of lift. During
March a week will go 200,000 feet or more. In Jan. you are limited by daylight
and because of storms and bad weather are in the trees more instead of the
bowls. I love the trees so this was a great week for me. We went for about
$1,700 for five days including meals and board. We did 95,000ft in five days.
You would want to stay in the heli village and eat there meals both are
excellent. I will try to get a better post out soon.

-- 
====================================================================
Bentz Puryear (303)488-6120  (ncsc8!bep)     AT&T TSC
8300 E. Maplewood Ave.
Englewood, Colorado 80111        POWDER SKIING THE PATH TO SALVATION
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: N Tahoe fatalities
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:41:37 GMT
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies

In article <1993Jan5.182816.3309@nas.nasa.gov>, eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:

> I was given the impression that these guys hit trees before landing.
> They were unconscious when they landed.  Same could probably happen to
> beginners on skis.

One paper said one showed signs of struggling.   Another had a doctor
claiming it was all because of non-releasable snowboard bindings, though
that article mentioned a similar fatality involving a skier at Heavenly.

On yet another note, a family of three is missing after heading from
the SF area to Utah via Tahoe during the height of the recent storms.  The
presumption now seems to be that they went off the road and won't
be found till the spring melt.

-- 
John Reece			"This lifeboat is full"	
Not an Intel spokesman
From: bobj@meaddata.com (Robert Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Mail Order ski wear
Date: 7 Jan 1993 18:29:15 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.meaddata.com

Since Dayton Ohio is not exactly what one would term 'ski Mecca' I am
having a difficult time finding ski clothes for a trip out west in early
March.  Specifically I want to get a new shell.  I found one made by
a company called Sub Zero, but there was only one and it wasn't my size.
So I want to see if I can find anything mail order.  Are there any
mail order shops that deal ski clothes at a reasonable price?  Could
you provide me with some phone numbers for catalogs?  Also if some
shell makes sell directly to the public, their phone numbers would be
great.  Thanks.

Also, what's the deal with Breckenridge & Summit County?  Have they
been getting missed by every storm that comes through?  I have a
weather jinx for ski trips, I think.  Hope they get some snow by Feb.
27th. 

-- 
Robert Jones   bobj@meaddata.com   Mead Data Central     Dayton, Ohio
"Driving an MG in competition is more than just starting out in a
worn-out old car, it's a symbol of rebellion against authority and convention,
the automotive equivalent of a little guy with a sling and an attitude
squaring off against the toughest opponent his enemies can offer."
   -Scott Fisher    
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: lowell@tc.fluke.COM (Lowell Skoog)
Subject: Re: Whistler/Blackcomb vs Sun Valley?
Reply-To: lowell@tc.fluke.COM (Lowell Skoog)
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:51:39 GMT

I like Whistler/Blackcomb too, but since Sun Valley is getting bad
press in this thread, I'll come to its defense.

Sun Valley has lots of snow this year.  If you want to ski there
sometime, this is the year to go.

Sun Valley has much better weather than Whistler/Blackcomb.  They
don't get new snow as often, but they don't get rain as often
either.  Sun Valley has better mogul runs than Whistler/Blackcomb,
runs like Limelight, Holiday, Exhibition, and Christmas Bowl.  The
groomed runs are comparable at both areas.

With powder or corn snow, the Sun Valley bowls offer some of the best
long, continuous, leg burner runs in North America.  Maybe THE best.

					--Lowell Skoog
					  Seattle, Washington
From: bassuk@stein.u.washington.edu (James Bassuk)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Gore or Whiteface?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 02:23:39 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

<TDS104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>I've got a problem. Sometime in the first half of February my wife and I will b
>e in upstate New York.  We will have time to ski only one mountain.  I have nev
>er planted my skis on any upstate slopes and was wondering what would be best.
> I was thinking Gore or Whiteface. Can anyone help me with my dilemna?

>Tim

>PS. I'm an aggressive intermediate skier, my wife is rather tame.

>Thanks

First off, both areas are run by the State of NY....therefore, snow-making
isn't very good.

Both areas are lots of fun, when there is enough snow.  I suggest that the
amount of NATURAL snow be your guide.  Gore is an intermediate's heaven.
Whiteface has more difficult terrain.

Lodging is the pits around Gore.  18 miles from Whiteface is Lake Placid.

If the snow is really lousy, go to Hunter.


********************************************************

   Jim Bassuk, Ph.D.
   Dept. Biological Structure, Univ. of Washington
   NetworkAddress:  Bassuk@U.Washington.Edu  

   'Did I say what I meant or did I mean what I said?'

********************************************************

From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:10:08 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 09/16 Miscellaneous
Organization: Toyz R. Me
From: pre@cs.nott.ac.uk (Phillip Edwards)
Subject: Re: Info on Chamonix?
Keywords: France
Organization: Nottingham University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 10:13:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.084134.2300@rdg.dec.com> bowen@esdeng.enet.dec.com () writes:
>
>
>>>Two things I'd recommend before skiing in the area: one is radar reflectors,
>>>and the other is good accident insurance that will pay for a helicopter rescue
>
>Ditto, and 100% sure if you're going to do the Vallee Blanche.

There are a hell of a lot of crevasses on the Valee Blanche so don't
do it without a qualified guide.  It is well worth doing though and
any competent intermediate skier can do it without any trouble.  The
views are stunning !

>
>The Radar is known as RECNO, many European ski suits now have it sown on.
>You can buy stick on patches from many ski shops.

I would recommend the use of an autophon (radio transceiver unit).  These
allow people to be found quickly by other members of the group.
The RECCO reflectors require a large transmitter which normally
has to be carried by a helicopter.  They are not good for quick finds.

>
>When you buy your ski pass you can also buy, for a small extra charge a
>'Carte Neige' which will pay for you to get of the mountain ! as rescue cost can soon reach '000's of Dollars it's well worth the price.

This is a very good idea.  A good alternative is the cover provided
by the British insurers Douglas Cox Tyrie which provide specialist
ski cover, including a full season's cover for 60 British pounds.
-- 
____________________________________________________________________

Dr Phill Edwards               Tel. +44 (0)602 513357
Lecturer
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: richk@tera.com (Richard Korry)
Subject: Voile Removeable Cables
Organization: Tera Computer Company, Seattle, WA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:33:26 GMT

Just a word of warning to people with last year's Voile Removeable cable
bindings (with or without the three pins). Last year's version had a thinner
hook on the cable which had a tendency to twist and fail. This year they
beefed up the hook and made the slot in the toe piece slightly wider to 
accept the thicker hook. 

According to the guy I just spoke with a Voile, this means that new replacement
cables will NOT fit old version of the binding. You either need to replace
the toe pieces (about $30 for the pair) or you can try filing down the
new hooks to fit in the older slots. I found this out in the field last 
weekend :-( so be aware of this problem.

	richard
From: kasha@twolf4.ee.washington.edu (Dan B. Kasha)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: stinky boots
Date: 12 Jan 1993 19:46:45 GMT
Organization: University Of Washington CAD
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kasha@twolf.ce.yale.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: twolf4.ee.washington.edu

Sorry bout the dull post, but I ski in my boots every two days, and well they
are getting ripe.  Lange XRi's.  Anyone know the best way to wash deoderize
or other a pair of boots?

thanks
dan
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: jpenovic@encore.com (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: Looking for a CONDO (UTAH, Colorado, or Lake Tahoe)
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:57:43 GMT

In article <C0r8xI.7F6@news.rich.bnr.ca>, mhoyt@crchh47.BNR.CA (Michael
Hoyt) writes:
> I am searching for a condo to rent around Feb. 24-25 for 3 to 4 
> nights.  My first choice is Utah in Little Cottonwood.  There will
> be 3 to 4 people so something small and affordable would suffice.  
> 
> With this killer winter, we don't have to follow the snow.  So our
> plans are quite flexible.  As I have stated Little Cottonwood Canyon
> (Utah) is our preference but anything in S. Lake Tahoe or Colorado 
> would be great.  
> 
> If you have a condo or know of one available during this time, please
> call with all the details.

 I just got back from Utah.  I rented a condo at the bottom
 of Little Cottonwood canyon from Accent Ski Accommodations.
 The number is 1-800-942-6692.  The woman who handled
 everything is named Cynthia.

I've also rented a condo in Summit Co. Colorado from Summit
Vacation Rentals.  Don't know their 800 number off hand.

jan

p.s. tried to email this to you, but it bounced back.

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