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From: tyler@Ingres.COM (Rick Tyler)
Subject: CSL/IP for A/UX 3.0
Followup-To: tyler@ingres.com
Reply-To: tyler@ingres.com (Rick Tyler)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:18:14 GMT

My goal is to get my Quadra 700 (running A/UX 3.0) connected to a CSL/IP
server using a modem which is connected to the standard modem port.  I know
that the CSL/IP server is set up properly since I am able to run CSL/IP
without difficulty under System 7.0 using Versaterm.

I have tried the following:

1) creating the necessary entries in /etc/hosts.  There are now two IP
   addresses - one for the Quadra and the other for the CSL/IP server I
   wish to connect to.
 
2) configuring the A/UX kernel for CSL/IP - I forget the precise command
   prescribed by the man pages ("newconfig nfs ..?") - but it seemed to
   work fine (it didn't cough at me). 

3) restarting A/UX with the reconfigured kernel.

4) connecting to /dev/tty0 with kermit (9600 baud) and dialing the CSL/IP
   server.

5) starting CSL/IP on the other end, and exiting kermit.

6) % slattach +c /dev/tty0 my_quadra cslip_server 9600

   ( success message issued for sl0 )

7) % ifconfig sl0 my_quadra netmask 255.255.0.0 -arp

At this point, I expect to be able to telnet to any host for which I have 
an /etc/hosts entry.  All I get is:

% telnet some_host
Waiting...

Any ideas?  Thanks in advance.

- RT

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From: tody@noao.edu (Doug Tody)
Subject: Re: Large Screen Monitors w/ A/UX 3.0
Keywords: Monitors
Reply-To: tody@noao.edu
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:42:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.203929.5832@spectrum.xerox.com>, mhend@roch (Marissa Henderson) writes:
> 
>  I am considering a purchase of a large screen monitor.  I would prefer
>  a 19 or 20 inch color, but I do not know which vendors have screens 
>  and video cards compatible with A/UX 3.0.  I am also unsure of which
>  video card would be best with System 7.X and QuickDraw GX (?), and
>  which type 8-bit, 24-bit, etc.
> 
> 
>  These are the current monitors/cards I am looking at, but I am open 
>  to any suggestions/recommendations anyone has.
> 
> 
>  SuperMatch 20
>  Spectrum/24 Series III
>  Spectrum/24 PDQ Plus
> 
>  Radius Precision Color Display 19
>  RasterOps/20T Multimedia Color
>  Radius Precision Color 24X
>  RasterOps PaintBoard 24
>  RasterOps 24XLi

I have no opinion on how it compares to the other options listed, but I have
a SuperMac Spectrum/24 PDQ with a 19" monitor, and it works fine with both
A/UX 2.0.1 and 3.0.

I did have problems with the XmacII (X server) that came with the 3.0
release, but once this file was replaced with an old executable I had from a
build of MIT X11R4, the rest of the X11 release distributed with A/UX 3.0
worked fine.  (I noticed earlier that a new version of XmacII is now
available on the aux.support ftp archive).
From: hlj@posix.COM (Hal Jespersen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: CD-ROM unimplemented trap?
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:26:33 GMT
Organization: POSIX Software Group, Redwood City, CA

hlj@posix.COM (Hal Jespersen) writes:
: I am having two related 3.0 problems maybe someone can help me correct.
: I added the four CD files to my system folder, per these directions from
: a recent posting:
: 
: 	All three of the files ( "Foreign File Access" , "High Sierra
: 	File Access" and "ISO 9660 File Access" ) need to be in the
: 	"System Folder" and not the "Extentions Folder". The other file
: 	you need installed is "Apple CD-ROM" which can go in either
: 	location. Dont bother to install the "Audio CD Access" or "CD
: 	Remote" stuff as this does not work.
: 
: Upon login, I get a Bomb that says "Apple CD-ROM unimplemented trap"
: and says to restart, holding down the shift key to suppress extensions.
: 
: When I restart, the shift key is not effective in suppressing this
: error.  I have pressed it both for the entire login and only after the
: "starting session" box disappears.  I have also tried "Apple CD-ROM"
: both in the Extensions folder and in the System folder.
: 
: Any ideas?  Thanks,

I posted this last week and would like to follow up.  One person [whose
name is now misplaced; sorry, thanks for your help, whoever you were]
suggested that I just remove the "Apple CD-ROM" file.  This worked fine.
Nothing like a non-intuitive solution. :-)  I am able to access MacOS
and 9660 CD-ROMs from the MacOS side without problems.  Also, thanks to
andrewp@itwhy.bhp.com.au.

I still don't know why the shift key business doesn't work, though.
Is it the responsibility of each cdev or init itself to check for the key?

Hal
From: dpassage@soda.berkeley.edu (David G. Paschich)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: A/UX Question
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:12:55
Organization: Organization?  Who cares?  You just gotta say "Go Bears!"
	<1992Sep29.024935.24637@waggen.twuug.com> <72909@apple.Apple.COM>
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: chuq@Apple.COM's message of 29 Sep 92 22:19:02 GMT

In article <72909@apple.Apple.COM> chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) writes:

   broberts@waggen.twuug.com (Bill Roberts) writes:

   >Don't get A/UX 3.0 unless you have at least an FX or QUADRA.

   Hmm. I ran 3.0 (and pre-3.0 betas) on a IIsi with five megs for about seven
   months. I guess I didn't know enough about Unix to be upset with the
   performance. Learn something new every day...

I got my copy of A/UX 3.0 about two weeks ago, and when I ran the
installer on my Max IIsi with 5 megs of ram it halted immediately with
the message "You must have 8 megs of memory to run A/UX" or something
to that effect.

So while it might be possible to run A/UX with 5 megs, it's not
immediately evident how to install it. :)

To speak to the original poster's point, however, I now have 17 megs
in my IIsi and I'm perfectly happy with the performance.  I usually
run in the X environment rather than the Finder, so that could make a
difference.  

David Paschich
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From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Vendors Re: Apple A/UX FAQ List (2/2)
Keywords: FAQ A/UX
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:37:54 GMT

After much soul searching, I've decided to remove the "Vendors
who make things difficult..." section from the FAQ. It really
didn't belong there and, quite frankly, I was sick&tired of everytime
I posted the FAQ getting a load of mail from people saying
everything from:

	"You idiot! How dare you condemn these guys!! I've had nothing
	but good support from XXX"
 to
	"Damn straight! I installed A/UX and XXX stopped working! I
	had to shell out $5 for an upgrade... let's roast the
	idiots!"

If anyone has any better ideas, let me know... Geez... you get
banged for either stepping on toes or not smashing them to
a bloody pulp...
-- 
    Jim Jagielski               | "It is not I who am crazy...
    jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov   |  it is I who am MAD!"
    NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4       |
    Greenbelt, MD 20771         |            - Ren
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From: halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin)
Subject: Re: A/UX Question
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:11:41 GMT

In article <BvD5q0.H2C@world.std.com> rhs@world.std.com (Richard H Schwartz) writes:
>broberts@waggen.twuug.com (Bill Roberts) writes:
>
>>Because of the port problem my UUCP won't run and I cant do a long
>>listing on a ImageWriter.  BOTTEM LINE - Go near the serial ports with
>>anything that smells like a load and the kernal will panic and the
>>system will die unless you have AT LEAST AN FX.
>
>Do kermit file transfers on a V.32 modem smell like a load?  I've been
>running 3.0 beta and now the general release for as long as I've had
>my 9MB IIsi.  This thing is no speed demon, but it is quite acceptable 
>for every purpose I've come up with so far.

If its a version of Kermit that uses 128 byte packets and waits for each
to be acknowledged, its not a load.  I mentioned in a previous post a 
'cat' to /dev/printer with the line speed set to 9600, 19200, and 38400
all turn in 800 charaters per second on a IIfx, when I should be seeing
a flat 960 characters per second (more for 19200+).  There have been
reports of kernel panics on lower end systems with high serial usage.
Add in the serial problems MIDI users report on the Powerbooks and its
clear Apple needs some work in this area.

>With the recent price cuts, a fully capable IIsi with A/UX software should
>come in just under or around $3,000.  For that price, you can probably
>get a 486/33 that will be much faster, so while I disagree with the tone
>of the post, I reluctantly agree that the 486 route is more economical for
>those who don't have a heavy investment in Mac software.

You havent added up the cost of a version of UNIX with all the add on
packages yet!  I havent checked prices in a while, but you could tie
up $2,500 to get SCO UNIX with Berkeley networking, NFS, development
and text processing tools, etc...  If only Apple would support even their
own hardware (see 8.24GC, Apple Serial Card, etc...) A/UX could be a
significant UNIX player.

>-rich
>
>-- 
>             Richard H. Schwartz, Scheduling Systems Inc.,
>            1000 Massachusetts Avenue, Cambridge, MA  02138
>                  (617) 864 8330; FAX (617) 864 8377
>                          rhs@world.std.com

-Steve
-- 
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From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Re: Building perl-4.035
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:11:34 GMT

spencer@panix.com (David Spencer) writes:

>levan%eagle@EKU (Jerry LeVan) writes:

>>Sigh,
>>I just tried building perl-4.035. I received several warnings about illegal
>>pointer operation (=). This all seemed to have to do with signal.

>>The regession tests fail on the dbm module (test 5 was the first and several
>>more in the module also failed.).

>>The cccmd was cc -c -B/usr/lib/big/ -DPARAM_NEEDS_TYPES -O
>>The libraries are: -lc_s -ldbm -lPW -lmalloc -lm -lbsd -lposix

>Try gcc instead of cc and -lgdbm instead of -ldbm.

-lgdbm isn't needed since "Old" dbm will work, as long as perl doesn't
think you also have ndbm available... Ack!

>BTW, the perl configuration header indicates that it wants a safe
>memory copy.  The configure script indicates that the a/ux bcopy and
>memcpy aren't safe (not surprising) and that the libraries don't have
>memmove, the ansi C safe-copy. Sure enough, memmove is properly
>declared in <string.h>, but I couldn't find it in any of the
>libraries. It's also not in the man page for <string.h>.

>It's easy to roll your own, but why isn't it in libc.a? Is the library
>missing any other ansi functions?

The #include files have STDC "components" since Apple didn't want to have to
change them for ANSI compilers... Some "ANSI only" functions are defined,
but not available unless you get the A/UX Developers Tools CD which includes,
amoung other things, -lansi.
-- 
    Jim Jagielski               | "It is not I who am crazy...
    jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov   |  it is I who am MAD!"
    NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4       |
    Greenbelt, MD 20771         |            - Ren
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From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: New 'tc' released!
Keywords: tc tape drive
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:52:00 GMT

I've completed the latest version of 'tc' for A/UX 3.0!

This (beta) version adds support for WangDAT, WangTEK and HP DAT tape
drives as well as a _true_ End-Of-Medium ioctl and a more descriptive
status report (using 'mt'). You can also go beyond what 'tc' thinks is
the last block number, although how far you can go depends on the tape
and the drive (see below).

Included in the package is 'tc' (version 2.00b), a replacement copy
of 'mt' (to more fully support 'tc'), a 'mt' man page and 'testdrive',
which is derived from Tony Cooper's script that tests 'tc'. The new
version of 'mt' is compatible with old 'tc' (1.4) but some capabilities
will not be available.

Please read README for more information.

NEWtc.tar.Z is available via anon-ftp here on jagubox. If you don't have
access to ftp and still need/want it, E-mail me and I can mail you
uuencoded sections.

Still to do: Fine tune support of tape drives
             Have 'tc' to a _real_ SCSI Read Capacity to determine
             tape capacity. At present, 'tc' just allows you to go
             beyond maxblk and will eventually fail when you hit
             EOT... what I'd like is actually determine the true maxblk
             (derated for errors, etc...) so you have a better idea of
             how much space you _really_ have.
-- 
    Jim Jagielski               | "It is not I who am crazy...
    jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov   |  it is I who am MAD!"
    NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4       |
    Greenbelt, MD 20771         |            - Ren
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: tody@noao.edu (Doug Tody)
Subject: Re: Mouse Systems A-3 Mouse and A/UX 3.0
Reply-To: tody@noao.edu
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:05:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.210610.23658@ornl.gov>, gsm@gsmmac.ctd.ORNL.GOV (Gregory S. McNeilly) writes:
> 
> Following the FAQ, and since the Gravis mouse is out of production, I
> finally got the above, having tired of trying to make three buttons out of a
> one button MacMouse.  The manual has a number of warnings regarding using
> the supplied cdev - use only with MacOS.  For A/UX, just plug in and use.
> 
> After powering down and installing the mouse, I have found the mouse to be
> "compatible" with A/UX, in the sense that the system doesn't crash, but not
> too interesting - all three buttons act like the original one-button mouse.
> I.e., no left and right arrow behavior from the second and third buttons.
> 
> Mouse Systems tech support at ~12:30 PDT today was clueless - the person(s)
> talked to didn't even know what their own manual said about MacX and A/UX.
> 
> I'm hoping someone can tell me how to get useful behavior with this device.

I had this problem too, some time ago.  Installing the cdev in the A/UX
system folder seemed to fix the problem.  Even though the cdev doesn't work
for button-mapping under A/UX, installing it somehow made the problem go
away.  Now, I don't have the cdev installed any more, but it still works
fine.  I suggest you just try various configurations until you get something
that works.

By the way, I think this mouse is a very nice product - if you don't mind
having the arrow keys remapped, and prefer an optical mouse, it is hard to
beat.
From: alain@psmac1.frmug.gna.org (Alain Raynaud)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Video cards for A/UX
Date: 3 Oct 92 18:27:08 GMT
Organization: A/UX Libre Service


As I see lots of requests on the subject of finding a video card that is
A/UX compatible, I would like to ask all the users of A/UX to tell their
configuration and the problems they have with it.

So, could you please mail to me (ULMO031@FRORS12, or AppleLink: RAYNAUD,
try not to use the address of the poster) this questionnaire :


Name of the video card : (name)
Computer : (Quadra, IIfx...)
Does A/UX work with it : (Y/N)
Are there any problems with XmacII : (Y/N)
Is it possible to change depth during A/UX-MacOS session : (Y/N)
Does QuickTime work with it : (Y/N)
Possible depths with A/UX-MacOS : (1/4/8/16/24)
Possible depths with A/UX-XWindow : (1/4/8/16/24)
Does the extra functions (hard zoom,pivot...) work under A/UX : (Y/N)


I would like to get enough answers so that I can post a list of many
compatible cards. I hope it will help.

Thanks for your help.

Alain Raynaud.
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From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Re: Building perl-4.035
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:55:33 GMT

levan%eagle@EKU (Jerry LeVan) writes:

>Sigh,
>I just tried building perl-4.035. I received several warnings about illegal
>pointer operation (=). This all seemed to have to do with signal.

>The regession tests fail on the dbm module (test 5 was the first and several
>more in the module also failed.).

>The cccmd was cc -c -B/usr/lib/big/ -DPARAM_NEEDS_TYPES -O
>The libraries are: -lc_s -ldbm -lPW -lmalloc -lm -lbsd -lposix

>Any ideas on what the dbm problem is?

I just finished this as well. I used gcc -traditional -fpcc-struct-return
and the following libraries "-lm -ldbm -lPW".

I used the malloc() that comes with perl and also corrected a problem
with the dir.h file that prevents rewinddir() being correctly defined and
thus requiring -lposix.

Everything works fine.

Oh yeah... Configure does some _very_ simple testing to see what signal()
returns... this test is wrong. Edit config.sh to "undef" d_voidsig.
If you want, I can E-mail the config.sh file to you. And see my previous
post about rewinddir()...
-- 
    Jim Jagielski               | "It is not I who am crazy...
    jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov   |  it is I who am MAD!"
    NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4       |
    Greenbelt, MD 20771         |            - Ren
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From: Gary R. Menszyk <grmensz@erenj.com>
Subject: sendmail error
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6F62F0A4101250D@grmensz.erenj.com>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 5 Oct 92 22:42:34 GMT
Organization: Exxon Engineering
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:37:57 GMT

Whenever anyone sends mail to me, it returned to the sender
with an error.

Part of the message is as follows:

>>>HELO grmensz.erenj.com
<<< 553 Local configuration error, hostname not recognized as local
554 <grmensz@grmensz.erenj.com>... Service unavailable: Invalid argument
......

Any idea where to start looking for the problem?

Thanks

Gary.....
From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: Dialup processes surviving dropped carrier. How?
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:03:05 GMT
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center

rns@ausom.oz.au (Ross Sheehy) writes:

>My system has four dialup lines which, most of the time,
>function perfectly.  Every so often, however, someone will
>experience a dropped carrier but will neither be logged out
>nor have any of their processes killed.

>My understanding of Unix says that the login shell etc ought
>to be killed when the carrier is dropped unless the user has
>taken action to prevent it (via nohup or whatever it is).

>Can anybody shed any light on what might be happening?

The serial connection _must_ have CD-detection wired correctly. Also,
the HUPCL flag should be set in /etc/gettydefs

From the FAQ:
===
38)  How do I set up my Mac and A/UX to enable remote logins via a modem
     on tty0?

First of all, you must edit /etc/inittab to start getty on tty0 using mo_2400:

	00:2:respawn:/etc/getty -u -t 60 tty0 mo_2400

Make sure that your modem is set to be quiet, to not return result codes and
to not echo back. It must also reset on DTR being dropped ("atq1e0&d3" will
achieve this for most Hayes-compatible modems except certain (all) USR modems
Your modem must also raise DCD on connection ("at&c1"). You then save these
changes using the "at&w" sequence. Finally, to make it autoanswer, be sure to
add "ats0=1&w".

Make sure that the modem cable is correctly configured:

	Mac       Modem
	--------------------
	1 (HskO)  20 (DTR)
	          4  (RTS)  <- yep... it gets sent to Pin 20 & 4
	2 (HskI)  8  (DCD)
	3 (TxD-)  2  (TxD)
	4 (GDN)   7  (Sgnd)
	5 (RxD-)  3  (RxD)
	6 NO CONNECT
	7 NO CONNECT
	8 (RxD+)  7  (Sgnd)  <- this is right, it gets tied to Mac pin 4 too.

If you mess up pin 8 things can get so flaky that you'll never figure out
what's going on. You see, by grounding pin 8, you make the modem port
truly RS-232 compatible. If not grounded, the port will use the RS-422
standard, which can cause lots of problems.

Please note that getty is the bidirectional version of getty, which is
sometimes known as uugetty. Thus, you can have dial in and dial out
at the same time on the same port. You should be using at least version
1.16 of HDB (see above: "stuff that's broken" and Q&A 15)

-- 
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    NASA/GSFC, Code 734.4       |
    Greenbelt, MD 20771         |            - Ren
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From: nalco@balr.com (Craig Moynihan)
Subject: Anonymous UUCP of A/UX Ports
Organization: Balr Corporation
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 02:23:08 GMT

Is there a site which would have ported software available via anonymous
UUCP besides aux.support.apple.com? I do not have access to ftp and I
am interested in obtaining the ports of gcc, elm, perl, etc.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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From: jcraig@access.digex.com (Joseph N. Craig)
Subject: A/UX Question
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:46:14 GMT

We are considering putting A/UX on serveral existing Macs.  I'd appreciate
hearing any comments about it.  Specifically: what is the minimum configur-
ation needed -- machine, memory, disk, etc.?  What is performance like? The
current Macworld says A/UX is slow.

Any comments appreciated!

joe
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From: sep@netcom.com (Scott Pendleton)
Subject: Re: CD Roms and A/UX
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:53:20 GMT

Ray,
        I'm about to purchase a NEC CDR-74 drive. Is it true that it won't
support loading A/UX 3.0? Please tell me its not true. Have you heard anything
further about this latest Trantor Driver? Pleae let me know. As far as
PhotoCD goes, I heard over on alt.CD-ROM that some guy has gotten a PhotoCD
disc to mount on his Mac. Here is the text of the article:

Article 4650           Got PhotoCD to mount on CDR-74         No responses
weihmayer@gte.com             Robert Weihmayer at GTE Laboratories Incorporated

I got the new NEC 2.25 CD-ROM driver (thanks to Mike Boom)
and am now able to mount a PhotoCD disk on my MAC iici and look at the
content. Since I have no reader on my MAC I have to stop there
(if any one is willing to lend me a reader, pls do).
So as NEC says in its ads, the CDR-74 can indeed read
(I assume single session) PhotoCD disk.

This is an improvement over the previous state of things where
I could not even mount the CD-ROM volume.
---------------

What do you know about this? I've also hear that the firmware on the CDR-74 
is socketed so that NEC may offer an upgrade to the firmware that supports
multisession PhotoCD. Heard anything about this?

Scott

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