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From: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Subject: Re: _Space Rangers_ (pilot's position)
Originator: jlpicard@woofer.austin.ibm.com
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 05:05:56 GMT
Reply-To: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Object Technology Products


bz754@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Derek J. Wojciech) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, bscott@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ben Scott) says:
> 
> >In article <1993Jan7.213010.14766@cas.org> sdr57@cas.org () writes:
> >>In article <C0I0u4.HGu@austin.ibm.com> jlpicard@austin.ibm.com writes:
> >>>Ouch! Piloting that ship looks _damned_ uncomfortable, lying on
> >>>your stomach with your arms outstretched and your head raised.
> >>
> >>For what it's worth...
> >>A number of designs for high speed aircraft included prone pilot
> >>positions. It can improve acceleration tolerance.
> >
> >I'm sure it can.  But why have the pilot lying down, not belted in or
> >anything, and the rest of the crew sitting?  
> >
> >The way they did it, it just looked like they couldn't afford a chair for
> >her... at least that was my thought when I saw it.  This was in between
> >laughing at the absurd ways they had the other ship moving in relation to
> >the pilot's viewpoint.
> >
> The only redeeming value I could see from the lying down position was her
> viewing range.  She seemed to have a full 180degree spherical viewing range,
> as her head seemed to jut into the dome shaped cockpit.  A big advantage
> in such things as combat or pursuit, as you could track your enemy visually
> to a greater degree.  But boy would that position get tiring (can we
> say neck and muscle strain!)

Sure, I can dig it: there's lots of advantages to being prone while
piloting. But gee, it would sure make alot more sense if one were
lying on one's _back_.

Craig
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From: xrcjd@mudpuppy.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine)
Subject: Re: The SciFi Channel stinks !! (was: Re: Does SciFi Channel cut episodes????)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt MD
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:12:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.183438.14737@medtron.medtronic.com> tp0001@medtronic.COM (Terry Pinotti) writes:
>I get the Sci-Fi channel and I read all the comments about how bad the
>programs are. Well, I want to hear some comments about what they
>should have on. If you count all the really good Sci-Fi, for whatever
>reason, you will see that there is not enough out their to fill a
>weekend's programming. 

That's one reason I was suspicious of just how good this channel could be.
But it seems that the Sci-Fi Channel doesn't even get all that it could.  E.g.,
no Outer Limits, but interminable reruns of Battlestar Galactica and War of the
Worlds.

>And besides, what one person thinks is rotten
>may be another persons favorite show. That is the best aspect of SF.
>some people look for thoughtful social commentary and some want
>shootem ups. 

I can enjoy both.  Trouble is, I want quality in both.

The biggest problem I find with the Sci-Fi channel is the lack of original
production.

The only new thing I've seen on the channel was an unbelievably bad TV movie
called Homewrecker.  After the first five minutes -- when a rocket shot down
a clearly civilian airplane (where was the range safety officer and the abort
button?) -- I was disgusted.

If all the Sci-Fi channel is going to do is show bad reruns and atrocious TV
movies, I'd wish they go away and give up the transponder to someone who might
make some good use of it.


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Subject: Re: Space Rangers
Date: 9 Jan 1993 04:42:16 -0600
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  I like and wont the best possable of T.V. shows. If the producers take a
pay cut to make the set work then they should do it. If the actors need
time to flesh out their character then give them some time.
  I think that the producers of these shows are thinking we are stupid. We
can pass off a cheep "Space Ranger" or weak scripted  "Deep Space Nine" as
the best that is going to come alone. A true break through show has not
been seen in a long time.
  Cutting edge Sci-fi would be a big risk but I would watch and love every
minute of it. I really do not need to see another cut of the same script or
a piece of special effect that replaces a plot line.
  Think what your English teacher would have said if you ploted a story
with special effects inplace of true plot development.
  I might watch, but I do not have a whole lot of time to waste in or on
something that is not going to be enjoyable. If I am going to have a bad
time I wont to be payed for it, I call it "work."
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From: johns@ssd.comm.mot.com (Mike Johns)
Subject: Re: DS9 was very BAD
Organization: Motorola LMPS
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:11:49 GMT
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From: gopher@yar.cs.wisc.edu (Chris Bovitz)
Subject: Re: Otherworld
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:32:15 GMT

In article <ofGpHFG00WBM04D7Ai@andrew.cmu.edu> zg03+@andrew.cmu.edu (Zafrir E. Gan) writes:
>
>   I was just wondering if anybody out there remembers this old tv show.
> I remember about 5 or 6 years ago seeing this show.  I only caught a
>few of the episodes.  RIght now I can only remember that I liked the
>show.  Does anybody out there know how many episodes where made?

I remember it and like it.  I think they (CBS) only showed 6 or 8 episodes.
There might be an episode guide on anonymous FTP @ ftp.coe.montana.edu.

My favorite episode was the one where Trace & Gina were big rock stars.

Does anyone know if the Sci-Fi Channel is planning to bring back this show,
even if there were only a handful of episodes?  How about the "V" series 
and/or miniseries (another series which I really liked)?

Speaking of "V", does anyone have a list of all the "V" books out there?
I'm missing some in my collection & don't know which ones.  I suspect that
many of them are out of print.


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From: heyer@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: QL: What happened to Ruthie?y
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:14:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.185345.26730@midway.uchicago.edu>, rck1@ellis.uchicago.edu (roberta chi-woon kwong) writes:
> In article <1ic2hhINNsi9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse) writes:
>>
>>In a previous article, finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter) says:
>>
>>>I don't know how much USA cut from "Thou Shalt Not...", so does anyone know
>>>exactly what happened to Al's third wife Ruthie?  Al mentions that he "didn't
>>>realize how important family was until Ruthie was gone." (note not divorced,
>>>left, seperated, etc.).  Did they divorce or did something else happen?  I've
>>>heard mention that she died, but I want to know if this is canon.
>>>
>>It's not cannon, but most fans tend to think that Ruthie died.
> 
> Can I ask where evidence of this comes from? Is it due to that one
> line? Somehow when I hear Al talk about how none of his marriages
> after Beth worked out, it doesn't seem likely that *death* would be
> one of the causes. Rather an odd way to describe the failure of a
> marriage, isn't it?
> 
> Not trying to challenge your answer, Beth, but it just doesn't seem
> to fit. 
> 
> 
> Robin C. Kwong ("er)


Well, maybe I'm off base here, but I thought Al said "Trudie" not "Ruthie"
when he discussed family. Trudie, his sister, did die in a mental institution
as mentioned in "Jimmy" (just last night on USA).
Maybe someone with good ears can recheck the tape.

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From: mab@buphy.bu.edu (Michael Burstein)
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Subject: Re: Harve Bennett? (Re: TV GUIDE ARTICLE: TIME TRAX)
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:05:18 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <92365.150512SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> SML108@psuvm.psu.edu
writes:
[quote from producer of show]
>  "In terms of the hlograms, we didn't feel here was a conflict.  The hologram
>in _Quantum Leap_ is a cigar-chomping, wisecracking guy who comes in, makes a
>few comments and leaves.  He serves his function for that show, and it's
>very appropriate.  Ours is much more of a tool and an information base.  Selma
>is used not so much in visual mode, but as a very advanced computer.  She's
>much more multi-functioned than the companion in Quantum leap."

Although Selma and Al differ in what they are as holograms, Selma can
still be seen as a bit of a copy of something in QL; mainly, Ziggy, the
AI that runs Project Quantum Leap and gives Sam advice all the time,
through Al.

Sounds as if Time Trax is just eliminating the middleman.
(Middle-hologram? Oh, well.)

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From: eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse)
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Subject: Re: QL: Two-Faced Reviews: A Tale of Two Sweeties
Date: 6 Jan 1993 13:29:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse)
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In a previous article, billones@grebyn.com (Jeremy Billones) says:

>
>This posting contains spoilers for the 1/5 episode of Quantum Leap.
>
>First, a disclaimer.  WRC in Washington, DC cut out for about 5 minutes.
>I missed everything from the sunrise (right after the 8:30 break) to the
>"get away from the window" quote.


Same thing happened in Cleveland.  Anyone have any idea what happened to
the feed.


>
>
>Yuk, yuk, yuk, yuk.  That was so funny, I forgot to laugh.

Actually, I was crying.

>kids (the one that could see Al was OK while Stockwell was on screen, but
>the writers forgot about her as soon as he left) and two stereotypically

Anyone else think that she was too old to see Al?  I certainly did.

>I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry about the "kid running away from home"
>sidebar.  It took all of five minutes, was predictable, but it didn't
>set my teeth on edge like the previous 45 minutes had.

This was the only part of the episode I liked.  The rest of it made me sick.

>No I did not like this episode - flame me if you like (I'm used to it).  I
>think I'll re-watch my tape of "Sea Bride," just to remind myself they once
>knew how to write a slapstick comedy.

That sounds like a good idea.  And I'm not going to flame someone I agree
with one hundred percent.  



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From: 01fortec@ac.dal.ca
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Subject: Seaquest???
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:40:07 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Read of this on a posting about 20 msgs back. Is this "Voyage to the Bottom of
the Sea" meets GreenPeace?

Joe
01fortec@ac.dal.ca

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From: ternent@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu (John Ternent)
Subject: Re: SPACE RANGERS REVIEW
Organization: Office for Information Management, University of Illinois
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:13:28 GMT

In article <16B50EC7F.GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU> GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (ggreg) writes:

>STNG, DSN and space R. all blow wads.  good for you who decide to turn
>this shit off and pick up a book, until something good comes along.
>if you must watch tv, put in an old favorite video.  don't support this
>bullshit!!!
>           ggreg
> 
> 
> 
> 

Gee, thanks for sharing, ggggreg! As if we couldn't have figured out just 
how eloquently you would describe _this_ show after your colorful 
description of DS9.  I'm sure everyone who reads this takes you _real_ 
seriously. Nice work!

John
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From: gwendoly@fraser.sfu.ca (Gwendolyne Chua)
Subject: Mann and Machine
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:14:27 GMT


Does anyone know what happened to the series Mann and Machine? It had
only been on for a couple of weeks before I left Canada, but when I 
returned (at the end of summer) it was gone.  I pressume they weren't
doing too well with the ratings?

Thanks.
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From: mece25r@rosie.uh.edu (Palit, Suman)
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Subject: Re: Space Rangers
Date: 6 Jan 1993 21:30 CST
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In article <yTiZwB3w166w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us>, crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble) writes...
>Well, I wasn't as disappointed with this show as I was DS9.  As a matter 
> 

I guess all the hype about DS9 really did it in. Hope they cut out 
all that metaphysical mumbo-jumbo in the following episodes.

I expected a lot less from SR, and it turned out to be better than that,
the android was annoying, but then, any android character is going to
get compared to Data in ST:TNG...

Suman Palit

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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: SF on TV
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:06:36 GMT

Isn't DS9 a Bajoran station, not Cardassian?  I haven't
watched my tape again, but I could have sworn that was it.


LJC
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From: jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu (J. Taggart Gorman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: DS9: waht about this?
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:25:29 GMT
Reply-To: jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu (J. Taggart Gorman)
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In article <106873@bu.edu>,
Citizen kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) writes :
>[DS9 [is, was] ...]
>It was a Bajoran designed (and assumed owned, as mentioned by O'Brien
>in the pilot) space station occupied by the Cardassians during their
>subjugation of Bajor.

  This would explain the fact that some of the computer displays on DS9
still show "non-ASCII" symbols.
  I wondered why they would leave the computers running a Cardassian OS.

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From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: DS9:I liked it, dammit.
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:16:39 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

carrie@plasma1.ssl.berkeley.edu (Carrie Roller) writes:

>Yes, I enjoyed DS9.

So did I, it reminded me of the first time I sat and saw "Encounter
at Farpoint".

>I thought the show did an excellent job of developing
>several very complex characters, though  many of you appear to feel
>that they are all rip-offs of someone-or-another.

I was especially impressed in the manner the characters were introduced
and the humor in most of them.  There is also a serious side to DS9, we
will see a great deal of this in the characters from Bajor.  Sisko's
character has great potential, as does the young (and pretty) actress
who is the host body for the Trill called Dax.

>I noticed that most of the postings regarding
>DS9 were fairly whiny and very often were written by people who are
>STILL crying about how ST:TNG isn't as good as the original.  Get
>a grip, guys.  No one is forcing you to watch.  

I was not on the net when ST:TNG hit the airways, but I do remember
many people bitching about how weak the show was and how it could never
match up to the original.

ST:TNG is a worthy successor to ST:TOS, and ST:DS9 is a welcome
addition to the Science Fiction Family.

And, as you indicated, if you are not happy with the program, change
the channel, I hear there is another attempt at SF TV on CBS.



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Subject: Re: QL and Space Rangers
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 12:48:43 PST
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:

> I just saw a commercial for CBS Space Rangers sf new show,
> and I'm pretty sure the token female in the group is played
> by the actress who was Edie in Ql's "One Strobe Over the Line".
> 
> I really liekd her on QL, and that alone is reason enough for me 
> to check out this new show.  Does anyone else know if she's been
> in anything else recently?  Anyone hear anythign interesting 
> about this SPace Rangers program?  I rememebr a blurb in the new
> TV guide, but that was just press release stuff.  Anyone seen
> a preview or promo?
> 

As I mentioned in a previous post, I saw episode 2 at a comic con, last 
sunday.  It was interesting.  Needs a little work on the stiff acting
and the dialogue, but it has possiblities.  If it gets better it could
be good.  But if it stays too much a typical "network" show, well then
it may die.  I enjoyed the villian, he could get very interesting.  And
one of the main characters, an alien, (played by an asian actor), is
also very interesting.  A martial artist, all around fighter, and
an empath.  Basically though, its a cop show.  :)
 

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Subject: Re: Highlander: "Mountain Men"
From: obie@hirama.hiram.edu
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:14:12 -0500
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-User: obie


> In article <MHGWBTN6@cc.swarthmore.edu> rbrooks1@cc.swarthmore.edu 
(Robert William Brooks) writes:
>>Saw my first episode of Highlander, "The Mountain Men", a couple of nights
>>ago and wasn't very impressed.  Did I just catch a bad episode or are they   
>>all like this?
	As a first episode to see, it wouldn't be a good choice. You should 
see one of the following first: "The Gathering", "Free Fall" (which in my area 
is being rebroadcast this week), or "Revenge is Sweet". "Mountain Men" is ok,
but I found its pace a bit slower than the rest. Also, the fight at the end
isn't as good as in some. Have you seen the first movie? If not, I would
think "Mountain Men" as a first exposure would be impossible to understand.

In article <dsanders.32.726335866@alexandria.lib.utah.edu>, 
dsanders@alexandria.lib.utah.edu (David Sanderson) writes:> 
>    Mountain Men is my least favorite episode.  
	Actually, I'd put "Deadly Medicine" in that slot. The basic idea
behind the plot was good (what happens to an immortal after an accident),
but the doctor's lab was a bit unbelievable.
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From: wisner@netcom.com (Bill Wisner)
Subject: Re: REPOST: New SF TV Shows premiere info (TomorroW People upda
Organization: Trailing Edge Technologies, Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:26:34 GMT

>The original U.K. airings were five half hour shows.  Not sure if this
>means extra footage or a long rehash each episode.

.. or lots of commercials.
From: finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: QL joke on Tonight Show
Date: 9 Jan 93 04:46:05 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


On the "Tonight Show" tonight, January 8, Jay Leno ended his monologue with the
joke:

"As if NBC didn't have enough problems, next week on "Quantum Leap", Sam leaps
to CBS to try and get an earlier time slot."

Well, I thought it was funny.




Keep leaping...

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From: ecohn@indyvax.iupui.edu
Subject: Re: Dr. Who
Organization: Purdue University, Indianapolis
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:57:30 -0500

In article <01GTBIE23AXU99DHCP@asu.edu>, IACJEA@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU ("J.Ashley") writes:
> Can anyone tell me where I can buy video tapes of Dr. Who in the United STates?
>   I used to see them in the PBS video catalogue, but lately they haven't appear
> ed in the catalogues.  Are they available at video "superstores" like the Ware
> house?  If you want to reply privately, send messages to iacjea@asuacad.
> Thanks.
>  
> Jennifer Ashley

Jennifer,

Try Suncoast Videos, if they have one in your area.  They usually have  a very
nice selection of Dr. Who videos.  There are also some mail order places, like
Signals, for example.  I don't have any addresses offhand, but someone out
there in netland surely will.  Post your request on rec.arts.drwho for a better
response - more people there will know all about getting videos! ;-)  Good luck
!!

Ellen - the crime doctor

aka Ellen G. Cohn
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