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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 92 20:01:53 IST
From:         Edward Yadzinski <museyadz@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
Subject:      snafu apercu
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RE the following:

** I thought I would work at home tonight using NB4 Lingua; I left
** documentation at school. While "playing around" I tried a different symbol
** set (ASCII italics). It was nice but I then lost Lingua; so I merely entered
** SET again and chose another symbol set (LINGUA). Simple? Nope. It looks like
** I now have to reinstall LINGUA. I can't load any LINGUA sets; it forces  me
** to the reinstall menu. I volunteer myself as the Bureau of Standards FOOL
** standard; I will be kept in Washington in a glass case; when software
** companies want to claim something is fool-proof, they have to break the*
** glass and bring me out to the keyboard for an hour!
**        Michael Dick
**        DICK@SIENA
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Regretfully, I must take strong exception to the claim of Monsieur Michael Dick
that ** HE ** properly qualifies as the exemplary "FOOL" of NBS (National
Bureau of Standards).

M. Dick and the Nota Bene net must be advised:
  1) the very term SNAFU was coined at the moment of my birth;
  2) my keyboard expectorise is legion; I can get qwerty to lock-up a program
     with untrackable leger demain;  no one in the world (see Olympic records,
     Guinness, etc.) has ever before been clocked at this level;
  3) The Journal of Irreproducible Results has made innumberble overtures
     to engage me as editor-in-chief (or so they keep saying over the phone).
     But I can't get the envelopes open to sign the contract because the letter
     opener I ordered arrived without an operating manual.  I am awaiting
     fool documentation.
  4) With the barest glance from my inspired brow I can cause a full lecture
     hall of 200 bright-eyed freshmen to become comatose in less than a
     minute.
  5) A psycho-drama film was made in my honor, titled La Chevre (a.k.a. The
     Goat), starring P. Richard & G. Depardieu (see end of film for credits,
     my name appears in HEX code)
  6) If M. Dick would like to take further issue with my categorical
     pre-eminence as the Digital Prince of Reverse Serendipity, let him choose
     his weapons and seconds wisely.  En garde: I have four big toes and a
     talon on each hand, and when I boot a computer it is from all fours !!!

Very truly yours,
Yegadz\Edyadz, SUNY-Buffalo

P.S. I am wise to e-mail bombs.
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From:         Rob Rittenhouse <RITTENHO@FAUVAX>
Subject:      Re: Library Master (was Re: Life after NotaBene)
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> This will be the first version of NB for which the DF (now NBI)
> programmers had a code license for the editor.  That sounds like good
> news, and it is, BUT it also has a downside.

Do they also have a code license for Signature (Xywrite IV)? If NB
is to have a future I do believe NBI is going to need a Windows/Os/2
version and I don't see them writing the whole thing themselves.

Rob Rittenhouse
Internet: RITTENHO@ACC.FAU.EDU
Bitnet:   RITTENHO@FAUVAX
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From: akerr@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Austin Kerr)
Subject: Re: Life after NotaBene
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:09:29 GMT

I am wondering if those persons praising MS Word for Windows find writing 
citations (footnotes and end notes) and changing from one to the other is as 
easy as it is in NB.  Also, when I take notes and use Text Base, I include the 
foot(end)note, so never again must I enter this information.  Do the text 
filing systems availabe in Windows 3.1 environments work with thease of the one
included in NB?
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 92 08:33:00 EST
From:         STRAUSS@UNCA
Subject:      Re: problem with IBID subject bibliography
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If the small screen blanking program is Cruise Control, you will
have problems with NB. I always unloaded Cruise in my NB.bat file.

Bob Strauss
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 92 20:49:00 CDT
From:         Michael Ossar <MLO@KSUVM>
Subject:      quotation marks
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I have two problems: 1) I must deliver a manuscript in camera-ready copy in
Times Roman or Palatino, which I plan to print on a friend's HPIIIP.  Are these
fonts resident in the printer in pt-10,12 and 18, and if not, what is the best
way to get them.  Also, is there a way to print real opening and closing
quotation marks rather than "typewriter" quotation marks?
                     2) Is there a way to prevent NB from moving the cursor
left one character when one saves?  This is particularly annoying when the
cursor comes after a period.  Or has this nuisance been eliminated in NB 4.0?
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From:         Peter Bogason <bogason@RUC.DK>
Subject:      Re: "Undisplayable" ascii in NB, ok in DOS
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I have had the same problem, stemming from the fact that if one saves the
procomm.files in NOTA BENE, a n end-of gile marker will be inserted by NOTA
BENE, causing trouble when one dumps more from Procomm to the file later.
The solution I have used is to search the file for end-of file markers in
Norton utilities and thus make the whole file accessible by NotA Bene - one
has to delete all end-of file markers (but the last one) in order to have
NOTA BENE acces the file.
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 92 11:29:00 EDT
From:         ITF@PSUVM
Subject:      RE: alleged arrivals
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Can _anybody_ on this list _ever_ remember receiving software without
documentation, except for $15 programs where the documentation was a file on
the disk?  I think that flaming and fuming are appropriate, especially when
the manufacturer sets up a situation where calls have to be made to figure
things out and then they say they are having a hard time getting things out
the door and answering all the calls at the same time.  This is not the way
you get people to recommend your product!

Allen (itf@psuvm.psu.edu)
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 92 13:26:36 MDT
From:         John Morris <JMORRIS@UALTAVM>
Subject:      Re: alleged arrivals
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I am just as frustrated as anyone by the long delay in the release
of NB 4, but I fail to see what venting all this frustration accomplishes.
Has anyone sent similar complaints directly to NBI, or have you all
contented yourselves merely with cluttering up my mailer and the
mailers of others who want to use this list to solve problems
with the software as it exists?

At the beginning of the summer, I quit this list out of frustration
with the clutter of frustration.  It would not suprise me if there
was some connection between all this tiresome breast-beating and the
fact that this list now has fewer subscribers receiving message than
it did before the list was advertised in Wings.

If anyone has a particular problem getting Nota Bene to work properly
that they think I might be able to help with, please contact me
privately.  I am signing off now and will be back when I receive
NB 4.

John Morris,             <JMORRIS@UALTAVM>
University of Alberta    <jmorris@vm.ucs.ualberta.ca>
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 92 19:45:02 IST
From:         ANDERSOS@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU
Subject:      Kermit capabilities
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> So I went back
> to ProComm for this purpose alone: interacting with our library's mainframe.
> I have a script that dumps all the bibliographic entries that have resulted
> from a successful search, screen-by-screen.  On Kermit -- NOT!

> Gerald W. Schlabach
> University of Notre Dame
> Schlabach.1@nd.edu

I am not sure what you are accomplishing with your ProComm script that
cannot be done as easily by using Kermit's session logging capabilities.
With Kermit you could start logging just before the search results were
displayed on screen and stop logging just after the results were
completely displayed.  If you did not want to have to specify a filename
for the log, you can set a default filename in the Kermit initialization
file.  Does your script automatically capture only the output you want,
saving the three keystrokes needed to start and stop logging, or does
it accomplish something else that I have missed?

Stan Anderson
The Claremont Graduate School
Institute for Antiquity and Christianity
ANDERSOS@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU (Internet)
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 92 09:04:22 PDT
From:         David Harlan <DI378@CALPOLY>
Subject:      On limiting conversation
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Dear Fellow Listmembers,

I was dismayed by whoever it was -- I don't remember his name --
who, two or three days ago, put the big chill on discussions of all
but technical matters.  I look to this list for technical help,
certaintly, but I also look to it for more wide-ranging, general
discussions about what people are thinking and feeling as they use (and
wait for) NotaBene.  I don't want to sit here alone, wondering if other
people are as confused and upset with NBI as I am.  And, conversely, I'm
enormously grateful for the chance to hear what other people are
thinking and feeling.  NO ONE has the right to limit or cut
off our conversation because he or she doesn't like a particular
turn it may have taken.  You don't have to read every single item;
you can always scan the subject line and delete what you don't want
to read.  This list will be less interesting and less helpful if
contributors must now write under the glare of The Father's eye.
I hope our conversation can resume its former rambunctious-
ness and livliness.  I miss the exchange of opinions and view-
points; that's every bit as valuable as the exchange of technical
information.

David Harlan
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From: binkley@epas.utoronto.ca (P. Binkley)
Subject: Re: virus warning (PKZIP)
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:49:06 GMT

Sorry.  I meant don't be fooled into downloading virulent software,
thinking you're getting a new version of PKZIP.  The maker of the
virus must have counted on people jumping at the chance to get an
update to this popular program, which has been at version 1.1 for some
time.

I only know what I read in medtextl; the fellow who posted it there
said only that he'd read about in the paper.  I too would be
interested in more details, if anybody has'em.

Peter Binkley
binkley@epas.utoronto.ca


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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 92 18:57:00 EET
From:         "J-P Takala, PL35 00931 HKi, 3432619" <JTAKALA@FINUHA>
Subject:      Re: orbis
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Had the same problem and found the same basic solution as Lee Komito: use
the normal NB define keys to mark out what Orbis has found for you and
transfer it to the alt-F10 window.  However, I still have this problem:
after the operation, the working file (the one I bring stuff into) behaves
strangely.  A few times it simply disappeared, other times it wouldn't let
me save it -- which is just as bad, or worse, in the long run.  A few times
all went as it should, though.  Anybody else have this problem?  I tried
this only while NB was running in a Desqview window -- so that might be
problem, but on the other hand I'm not eager to give up DV.

Another problem with Orbis: I tried out four of the predefined formats for
TB structure.  Only one came through, the one with a blank line as an entry
marker.  The one with <<PR.B>> and <<PR.E>> and <<PR.K>> for designated
keywords just gave an "internal error" message with a number (9020?,
4020?).  The same without <<PR.K>> and the one with <<PG>> as entry marker
went swiftly about indexing but I wasn't that happy when it turned out that
it had marked the whole 50 K test file to be just one entry!  And the
markers were there, at least so said my eyes and the old Text Base.  These
results were the same within and without DesqView.  Has anybody found any
of the formats with designated keywords actually working?

How about the idea that you could more easily make changes into an Orbis
text base than you could in the old system?  I did not find any obvious way
of doing this.  Actually I had hoped that Orbis would let me make changes
in an entry as soon as it retrieved it for me (as SquareNote does), but
that does not seem to be case.  Is it just that it is a bit faster in
indexing plus that it maybe keeps track of the files that have changed?
Does anybody know & care to answer about these problems?

Jukka-Pekka Takala
Helsinki, Finland
internet: JTAKALA@cc.Helsinki.Fi

PS. Still another problem: Orbis indexes vowels with accents without
'normalizing' them into their accent-less equivalents as the
old Text BAse does.  That would be most welcome for a person
who most of the time uses languages which make the difference, too.
If I only knew how to retrieve those entries.  But the Orbis
search window does not allow me to enter any letters but the
standard English/American set -- compared to that it is a small
problem that Orbis seems not to be able to treat lowercase and
uppercase  of those letters the same (which NB4 now can, bravo
for that!).
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Date:         Sun, 30 Aug 92 20:44:00 CST
From:         JEARLS%TINY@MSUS1
Subject:      Re: UUE vs. XXE
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J. P. EARLS writes:

> UUE usually works well with my system (VAX).  I have tried XXE decoding a
> number of times, and gave it a further try after the hearty recommendation it
> received on the list lately.  Always the same result: Nothing to Decode and
> the number of the last line.  Any suggestions about what I could be (not)
 doing?

Paul Bodin replies:

You can only XX-decode what has already been XX-encoded.
Complementary protocols most be used at either end.

And I add:

These files were ordered F=XXE from TAUNIVM.  Anything equally as simple
that I could be missing?
J. P. EARLS / ST.JOHN'S UNIV. / COLLEGEVILLE, MN
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From:         STRAUSS@UNCA
Subject:      Re: Mail problems.....
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Mervyn,
The same thing happened to me, but I assumed it was because our system
was down for a few hours for upgrading. I think there are "blockages"
on the lines, from time to time.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++           Bob Strauss            ++
++         Ramsey Library           ++
++          UNC-Asheville           ++
++       Asheville, NC 28804        ++
++       Strauss@UNCA.bitnet        ++
++     Strauss@uncavx.unca.edu      ++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
ps: please keep up the weather reports and recipes!
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From:         DICK@SIENA
Subject:      Re: quotation marks
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There are smart quotation marks in NB4 that work in Lingua fonts (the only ones
I've really tested) on the HP II--they look quite good. They have NOT
eliminated the cursor moving to the left in NB4. However, I believe it appears
that way on the screen but is in the correct place as soon as you start typing.
But it does bother me.
        Michael Dick
        DICK@SIENA
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From:         Harry Falk <FALK@IBM.RUF.UNI-FREIBURG.DE>
Subject:      Re: Life after NotaBene
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regarding Library Master and other such programs Itamar stresses the
fact that data are compressed. Well, that looks like a disadvandage
but must not necessarily be such. Because calling a long nbbibNNN.dat
file and editing it can be a rather dangerous affair. On the other
hand compressed files may be inspected. I use AskSam beside Ibid and
switch into the .ask files from NB via Buerg's new LIST which lets you
mark stuff and export it to a file. This is then called from NB, stripped
of its junk, and used. With a task switcher or OS/2 a genuine all-purpose
data-base program looks still more attractive, because usually it is
more flexible, faster, easier to adapt to your needs.....
and updates come when they are anounced.

Harry Falk
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 92 09:56:19 -0500
From:         Kenneth Salzberg <ksalzber@HAMLINE.EDU>
Subject:      Mavericks
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Like Brian Durell, I too am a "maverick in my faculty as far as NB use
is concerned."  A few others show some interest, particulary when I
point out some way in which NB can do something they can't, or can do
it easier, but so far, no other takers.  I wonder how many other list
members are in the same position: the only, or one of a very few, NB
user amongst a campus full of [some other wordprocessor] users.
--Ken Salzberg
ksalzber@hamline.edu
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 92 15:03:20 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: Kermit capabilities
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              25 Aug 92 22:25:51 EDT from <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>

I urge people who have written pgms in any langauge
and who are willing to put them in the public domain
to send them to me. I will try to put them in the
various archives (or shall I make a new archive?).

Itamar E-Z
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From:         INTENTBD@UTOROISE
Subject:      Re: Real and virtual
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To answer the question about my class notes, yes, I have graphics in them.
On top of that, I don't have access to a laser printer (not with any con-
venience -- that should be "not conveniently" -- at any rate.)
I am a lone wolf or other type of maverick in my faculty as far as NB use is
concerned. Most people seem to use WP and our secretarial staff are all
equipped with Macs running Word. MS W for W gives pretty nice output on
a Canon BJ10ex.
Brian Durell
University of Toronto
intentbd@utoroise
From: edgar@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar)
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Subject: Re: Iterated Function Systems
Date: 26 Aug 1992 10:51:47 -0400
Organization: The Ohio State University, Dept. of Math.
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <FRAC-L%92082523590595@GITVM1.BITNET> C1876@UMSLVMA.BITNET writes:
>Hello fellow fractal enthusiasts,
>
>I am wondering if anyone has published a method to find the fractal dimension
>of an arbitray IFS.  I have seen a method that works on IFS's based upon similit
>ude transformations in Barnsley's Fractals Everywhere.  I am looking for a way
>to calculate the fractal dimension of an arbitray IFS.
>

This is a difficult question.  Even if the transformations are merely
affine maps, some weird things may happen.  A couple of references:

  Dekking, Advances in Math. 44 (1982) 78--104
  Falconer, Math. Proc. Cambr. Phil. Soc. 103 (1988) 339--350
  McMullin, Nagoya Math. J. 96 (1984) 1--9

>Also, I am wondering if anyone (outside of Barnsley's Iterated Systems corporat
>ion) has seen any actual IFS codes that represent photographs and illustrates B
>arnsley's claims of image compression.
>

Yuval Fisher provided some code for this.
Some  samples and a paper explaining his ideas on
fractal compression is available for anonymous FTP,
but I do not seem to have the address handy.


-- 
  Gerald A. Edgar                Internet:  edgar@mps.ohio-state.edu
  Department of Mathematics      Bitnet:    EDGAR@OHSTPY
  The Ohio State University      telephone: 614-292-0395 (Office)
  Columbus, OH 43210             -292-4975 (Math. Dept.) -292-1479 (Dept. Fax)
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From:         MARKS@UAFSYSB.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Location of Fractint for OS/2?
              28 Aug 1992 14:20:00 EST from <DKW0@NIOSHE2.EM.CDC.GOV>

About the OS/2 fractint... I got a copy of that at hobbes.nmsu.edu which
is a truly great OS/2 archive.  I'm not sure which directory it was in
it might have been in the area for 1.x programs.

   Mark A. Shaw                 - (501) 575-2905
   Microcomputer support        - Marks@uafhp.uark.edu
   University of Arkansas       - MARKS@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU
   Computing services           - mshaw@saturn.uark.edu
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:31:00 CST
From:         Hal Harris <C1754@UMSLVAXA.BITNET>
Subject:      Fractals/chaos in astrophysics

There is an excellent source with which to start, on the application
of chaos/fractals to astrophysics. It is the volume "Chaotic Phenomena
in Astrophysics", edited by J. Robert Buchler and Heinrich Eichhorn.  It
is Volume 497 of the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences.  Published
in 1987.  It includes an article by G. Contopoulos entitled "Stochasticity
in Galactic Models", and "On the Origin of Large-Scale Cosmological
Structure" by J. N. Fry.

I hope you find this helpful

Hal Harris                C1754@UMSLVAXA.UMSL.EDU
Dept of Chemistry
University of Missouri- St. Louis
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From:         KELLEHER@FARMNTON.BITNET
Subject:      PIFS Code

    If anyone knows of any place where I could find more info on
image compression using IFS code, I would very greatly appreciate
it.  You can mail it to me directly if you like.
Thanks!  KELLEHER@FARMNTON.MAINE.EDU
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From:         rlinh <rlinh@MAILGATE.ENGNET.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      READ THIS !!!!!
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          Could you please take me off the frac-l LIST??

          RLINH@MSE.UFL.EDU
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Subject:      Re: Signoff via Dave Re

          Could you sign me off also??

          RLINH@MSE.UFL.EDU
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