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From: adam@research.nj.nec.com (Adam Porter)
Subject: Re: NBA Salaries '92
Originator: adam@acapella
Reply-To: adam@research.nj.nec.com
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 14:18:03 GMT


How can all those teams be so far over the cap?

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From: hillyard@msc.cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Billy Owens update
Originator: hillyard@tiger.msc.cornell.edu
Reply-To: hillyard@msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 08:33:04 GMT

From article <1993Jan3.073440.6426@leland.Stanford.EDU>, by terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong):
[...]
> 
> On the particular play that the Warriors lost on against Charlotte
> Nelson was mad that Buechler was inside the 3 point line at the beginning
> of the play.  In fact, Owens and Houston were also within the 3 point arc.
> After the game, Buechler explained that he thought Hardaway was shooting,
> not passing, and he was going to the basket for the rebound.  He was
> extremely surprised when he got the ball in his hands, and it is doubtful
> that he had enough time to pass the ball back out or to step back beyond
> the line.  I agree with you that Buechler was not the only guilty
> party on that play and should not have been the primary focus of
> Nelson's anger.
> 
> 					terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU 

From what I remember of the play.  Buechler caught the ball about five feet
inside the three point line with no defender near him, took a couple dribbles
and laid it in with a second to go.  It seemed to me he had plenty of time
to back it out and shoot an uncontested three.

SEH
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From: swenson.rtsg.mot.com (R. Scott Swenson)
Subject: BOXSCORE - gsw28hou24.29dec92
Organization: Motorola
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:12:19 GMT

gsw 132, hou 112   29dec92

  Golden State Illegal Defense :1  Houston Illegal Defense :1

gsw (15-13)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
hill,tyrone       28   3   5   0  0   0  0   1  4   0  4  3  2  0  0  0  0    6
mullin,chris      42  13  20   1  3   2  3   0  6   5  0  0  5  0  0  0  0   29
alexander,victor  24   6   7   0  0   0  0   0  5   1  4  0  1  1  0  0  0   12
hardaway,tim      42  12  20   2  3   6  6   0  2  14  1  1  4  0  0  0  0   32
sprewell,latrell  39   8  15   2  2   0  0   4  6   3  2  2  2  1  0  0  0   18
gatling,chris      7   2   3   0  0   0  0   1  3   0  2  1  1  0  0  0  0    4
marciulionis,saru 24   6  11   0  0   8 10   0  4   3  3  2  1  0  0  0  0   20
grayer,jeff       12   2   3   0  0   0  0   0  2   1  3  1  2  0  0  0  0    4
houston,byron     18   2   2   0  0   1  2   1  6   0  4  2  3  0  0  0  0    5
nealy,ed           3   0   0   0  0   0  0   1  5   2  1  0  0  0  0  0  0    0
buechler,jud       1   0   0   0  0   2  2   0  0   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0    2
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
gsw totals       240  54  86   5  8  19 23   8 43  29 24 12 21  2  0  0  0  132
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .628   .625   .826       team rebs  8

hou (14-10)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
horry,robert      30   1   4   0  0   3  4   0  2   3  2  1  1  4  0  0  0    5
thorpe,otis       28   4   6   0  0   1  1   2  6   1  4  0  3  0  0  0  0    9
olajuwon,hakeem   38  11  18   0  0   3  6   4  6   7  4  2  3  2  0  0  0   25
maxwell,vernon    37   8  20   1  6   3  3   0  6   3  3  2  3  0  0  0  0   20
smith,kenny       32   5  10   1  2   4  5   0  0   6  1  0  3  0  0  0  0   15
herrera,carl      25   4   6   0  0   4  5   3  7   1  0  3  2  0  0  0  0   12
brooks,scott      19   5   9   3  4   0  0   0  1   1  4  3  1  0  0  0  0   13
bullard,matt       7   0   0   0  0   0  0   0  0   0  1  0  0  0  0  0  0    0
floyd,sleepy      19   4  10   0  3   3  4   0  2   3  1  2  2  0  0  0  0   11
garland,winston    5   1   3   0  0   0  0   0  0   0  2  0  0  0  0  0  0    2
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
hou totals       240  43  86   5 15  21 28   9 30  25 22 13 18  6  0  0  0  112
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .500   .333   .750       team rebs  5

gsw   33  31  29  39  -  132
hou   34  32  20  26  -  112

attendance 15357, time 2:06, officials: HHollins,GBenson,DStafford

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From: bprisco@shearson.com (Bobby Prisco)
Subject: Re: Bulls vs. Knicks!
Reply-To: bprisco@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:37:51 GMT


> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >In fact, I don't believe there is a Knick team.  Some fancy East Coast magic
> >with a little Pat Riley thrown in, and ... I mean, look at the line-up:
> >
> >Patrick Ewing - the 7 ft disappearing center (chopstick)       (smartass#1)
> >Anthony Mason - the swaggering forward who can't do more than foul hard
> >Charles Oakley - Rebound and miss
> >Greg Anthony - another smartass less-than-steady ball-handler (smartass#2)
> >John Starks - trash-talking flibbertigibbet (smartass#3)
> >Charles Smith - I think he played better with the Clips
> >Doc Rivers - Too old (doc? where in the hell did he get that name? he wants
> 		       to be like julius or what? c'mon glenn :)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 	can not put it any better than this, this is it :) /tt300zx
> 


>u got it! ever since the way knicks played against the bulls
	>during the eastern conference -- fouls, fouls, why not just
	>fucking INjURE jordan and dominate the whole bulls team!?
	>knicks think physical play is the only way out? ahh, no wonder
	>chicago still has no respect for the new york knicks.

> Yes, seems that Jordam has become a streaky shooter like Reggie Miller.
> He is becoming very inconsistent. Yesterday against Indiana he shot very bad.

	>jordan will always be jordan. he can shoot very good or very bad
	>and still be the one and only, michael jordan. being consistent
	>or inconsistent, ewing, malone, hakeem...no one can measure up
	>with jordan. jordan is the man, no doubt.


Pretty harsh words considering that the Knicks are probably one of
the top 3 teams in the east.

Granted, they're not pretty and the 3 amigos do come off as cocky bastards,
but they get the job done (especially on defense). 

Riley's doing a pretty damm good job with his crew. We'd like to
see some more finess on this team, open the court up a little more,
and maintain the best defense in the NBA.

Last and not least, I'd like to see them kick Chicago's jordan-ass in the playoffs!
I'm a Jordan fan (who isn't?) but my loyalty goes to the Knicks.
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From: kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Phoenix is absolutely scary...
Organization: Arizona State Univ, Tempe
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:31:13 GMT

as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
> 
> They're peaking too early.  Look out for late season injuries.

     Hey bub, I hate to break this to you, but
the Suns are nowhere near peaking yet.  That's
why they're so scary.  They're winning even
on nights when they aren't playing anywhere
near their capabilities.

     In January, the Suns only play three home
games: the rest are on the road.  We'll see then
just what they're made of, for better or for
worse.

--Ralph Kennedy      {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
                        {allegra,decvax,ihnp4,oddjob}--^
                                          ^---------------The Wrong Choice
                             internet: kennedy@asuvax.asu.edu
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From: stretz@carson.u.washington.edu (Robert Stretz)
Subject: Re: Who are the tallest point guards?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:16:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.213230.10579@tc.fluke.COM> mark@tc.fluke.COM (Mark D. Nagel) writes:
>In <1992Dec18.203929.12402@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>
>>Well, here are the heights of the primary PGs for most teams...
>>(note: sorry if I list someone who isn't the primary... )
>>(also note: this is the listed heights in the TSN Register.. Complain to them
>>is you don't agree...)
>
>>Dallas:		Mike Iuzzolino???	????
>
>I think that Mike is 5'10-11".
>
>>Seattle:	Gary Payton		6'04"

And Payton is leading all point guards in FG%

>
>You forgot to mention Nate McMillan :-) Nate's 6'5". He shares the point with
>Payton, and actually has more assists than Payton; 29 total vs. the Blazers
>and Clippers on the two most recent games: Sure is nice to have this guy back
>and healthy, not many players in the league that can perform like Nate.

True, Nate gets alot of assists, and is almost as good as Payton on
defense, but I cringe every time I see him take a shot.  He needs to
work on his shooting as extensively as Payton did in the offseason.

Rob

Nothing is as silent as the silence when Kemp went down with a knee injury
on Saturday night...

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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Jordan & Pippen: No Olympics
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 18:39:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.221708.21896@ll.mit.edu> nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) writes:
>pretty deep to find the cause of the Chicago flatness to me.
>
>on another note, here's a vote for No Repeat Appearances by any NBA
>player.  there are plenty of players to form "dream" teams from. ( i'd
>make an exception for Sir Charles, though :-).  then mikey and scotty
>dont have to "agonize" over whether they should go again - they wont
>be allowed to.  somehow i dont think magic & bird would mind this rule
>either.

This is true.  Any other Dream Teamers suffering from the extra summer of
"play?" (when you romp by 50 in every game and play 20 minutes...)  Barkley,
Malone, Robinson, Laettner, Mullin, Stockton (who got injured) are all doing
just fine.  Patrick Ewing is a bit off, and Drexler had knee surgery.  Huh,
it doesn't seem like Jordan and Pippen have an excuse.

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From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Culture comes to USENET (was Re: Jordan & Pippen: No Olympics)
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:51:05 GMT

In article <C044Kr.HLp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dmd39855@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel DuBois) writes:
>And as for
>comparing to Barkley, he was resting during the playoffs last season
>whilst Pippen and Jordan were getting knocked around by the likes of
>Anthony Mason.  AND there were two Bulls sent to the Olympics, two
>VERY important Bulls, two Bulls that pretty much carry the team.
>Double your trouble.

And Utah dosen't have the exact same scenerio except that they played
one less week (missed the finals).  They don't seem to be whinning.
Tell Jordan to shut up and play ball - he's making what 30 million
this year (Basketball has been bery bery good to me).
--
Harry Koehnemann			Arizona State University
koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu		Computer Science Department
From: dolsen@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (David Olsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Orl. vs Utah
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:55:00 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec23.131024.10851@fcom.cc.utah.edu>, msulliva@news.ccutah.edu (Mark G. Sullivan) writes...
> 
>	Hello fellow netters. Did any of you see the Jazz/Magic game last night.It was a good ballgame. Jazz looked like they had control of the game in the second half, but Orlando staged a very good comebak. Surprisingly, it was led by
>the rookiie, Latterial Green, and not Skiles. Of course the Shaq had the leadingrole in the comeback. He had 7 dunks, most of which were uncontested by Utah.
>I think they knew how strong he was, and did not want to injure themselves trying to block his dunks. He also had some key blocks against the mailman and Mike
>Brown. There were not many second chance opportunities; the Shaq grabbed about
>20 rebs.
>	Overall, I was impressed with the Shaq's play. However, in the first 
>half, the Jazz defended him very well. they had eaton, malone, brown, and 
>krystowiak on him, all big boys, and they held Shaq in check. I guess he
>felt he could do better in the second half, and went out there and played 
>awfully hard in the second half. It worked.
>	What about the Jazz ? They beat teams they should beat ( Minnesota,
>Denver, etc...), but are losing to playoff bound teams. I am beginning to

One thing not too many netters take into account is road vs. home losses. 
It is not that big of a deal to lose to good teams on the road (especially
the 4th game into an east road swing).  Just from personal observations it
is hard to win on the road after being out for an extended period.  If I
were a betting man, I would seriously take into account how long a team has
been on the road.  I have observed over the last few years that the Jazz
have had some real stinkers on the 6th or 7th games of an extended road
swing.  I wouldn't be surprised if other teams had similar experiences.  

Some people might say that the line would take this into account but the
Utah/Orlando game was even.  Like I said, if I were a betting man, that
would have been an opportunity (as is the Heat game tonight, the 5th game
on an east coast road swing and a back to backer and the jazz are favored
by 1 1/2 points).

> 
>think that they are not what they are cracked up to be. Really disappointing
>is David Benoit. He seems to be in a real bad funk right now. He is not going
>agressive to the basket like last year, and this seems to be his strength.
>Oh well, just some thoughts........
>			mark g. sullivan
> 
>s
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From: PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Wanted: Pistons - Schedule
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:32:34 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Could some one e-mail me the Detroit Pistons schedule?

(They are not doing very well this year. I think they will do better with/out
Daly.)

Thanks.

Peter
From: zeke@fasttech.com (Bohdan Tashchuk)
Subject: Re: Whats with the Bulls?
Organization: Fast Technology
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:20:50 GMT

>>I just watched the Rockets demolish the Bulls. As a season ticket holder I am
>>somewhat dismayed at the teams lack of focus and intensity.  I just was
>>wondering what all you on the net had to say about the subject.

>	Teams on the rise are cohesive & focused.
>	once at the top they are looking out for
>	them$elve$. 

Maybe. The Blazers have also been horribly inconsistent this season, and I
don't know the reason why. Maybe it's because they just don't have a killer
instinct.

I think we're all spoiled by the Lakers of the 80's. They seemed to have
wonderful focus and intensity. They would regularly come up to Portland and
whip the Blazers. If only today's Blazers had a Magic Johnson or a Pat Riley
or whatever it was that was the soul of the 80's Lakers.

Leadership is very important to a basketball team. Michael may be an
outstanding player, but does the team accept him as their leader?
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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Phoenix Suns
Organization: Clark University
Date: 22 DEC 92 16:49:37 GMT

In a previous article, KHDLC@ASUACAD.BITNET wrote:
>My problem..the only Phoenix Suns I am familiar with are Charles Barkley
>and Danny Ange (sp?). Could somehow tell me the other team members and
>possibly their numbers and what positions they play.

I'm a fan, but I don't get a chance to see the team very often (until 
the playoffs, of course). I can give you a few more names, but I'm not
sure if the positions are right, and I don't know the jersey numbers...

Danny Ainge - shooting guard (off the bench)
Charles Barkley - power forward (starter, obviously!)
Tom Chambers - forward (usually off the bench, sometimes center?)
Oliver Miller - center (rookie, but a good prospect)
Cedric Ceballos - forward (starter)
Kevin Johnson - point guard
Negele Knight - guard (off the bench)
Mark West - center (not sure if they still have him)

This is the bulk of their rotation, but I'm probably forgetting a few 
obvious names since I don't see the team regularly. 

-		
Bart "Webb" Tilney	
Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
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From: vince@paradyne.com (Vince Ciletti)
Subject: Re: Bulls vs. Knicks!
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:02:35 GMT

In article <1hu9opINN61o@shelley.u.washington.edu> tt300zx@milton.u.washington.edu (twin turbo 300zx) writes:
>>And let's not forget the 37 point humiliation that the Knicks put on 
>>Da Bulls in the Garden... sure Jordan was not at 100% after turning his 
>>ankle, but I recall most people agreeing (including devote Bulls fans) 
>
>	37 pts win for the knicks = 12 pts win for the bulls
>	------------------------------------------------------
>	who cares about the pts? chicago didn't bother to catch


If you would have included the rest of my post, you would see that I agreed
with your point - each team won a game...


>	up and lost the game, big deal. but it was the new york
>	knicks who faltered and shattered and lost their lead
>	in the x'mas game in chicago.

That *was* my point - Chicago only had 1 good half vs. New York, but
looked pretty confused in the other 3.  They will need to play better 
than that if they expect to 3-peat.

>
>>long it would take to get all the new faces to play together?  This team 
>>has played 25 games together, and is in the class of the NBA elite already! 
>>They should only get better as the season progresses.
>
>	not with doc(?) river and greg anthony.
And why not?  Anthony is still young, but Riley was quoted last week as
saying that Anthony is thinking more like a point guard.  Rivers has sat
out the past two games with a slightly seperated shoulder, and Anthony
has stepped in to play 2 good games (2 wins in a home and home series
against Indiana).  Yes I expect him to get better as the season progresses.  
As for Rivers, he's a seasoned veteran who still has a few good years left.
Besides, Paxson didn't hold Chicago back the past two seasons, did he?

Vince
From: tt300zx@milton.u.washington.edu (twin turbo 300zx)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bulls vs. Knicks!
Date: 30 Dec 1992 10:49:53 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: milton.u.washington.edu

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>In fact, I don't believe there is a Knick team.  Some fancy East Coast magic
>with a little Pat Riley thrown in, and ... I mean, look at the line-up:
>
>Patrick Ewing - the 7 ft disappearing center (chopstick)       (smartass#1)
>Anthony Mason - the swaggering forward who can't do more than foul hard
>Charles Oakley - Rebound and miss
>Greg Anthony - another smartass less-than-steady ball-handler (smartass#2)
>John Starks - trash-talking flibbertigibbet (smartass#3)
>Charles Smith - I think he played better with the Clips
>Doc Rivers - Too old (doc? where in the hell did he get that name? he wants
		       to be like julius or what? c'mon glenn :)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
	can not put it any better than this, this is it :) /tt300zx

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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Culture comes to USENET (was Re: Jordan & Pippen: No Olympics)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI  U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:28:42 GMT

In article <OLIVER.92Dec30225918@ballard1.mit.edu>
oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III) writes:
 
>
>In article <C03K75.CrB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dmd39855@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel DuBois) wrote:
>> An ignorant statement like that makes me just want to
>> pimp-slap you.
>
>Now, this is definitely a first!  I have never seen the term "pimp-slap" in
>a newsgroup before.
>
>Am now anxiously awaiting the first usage of "bust upside your nappy head"
>. . .
 
Probably will come some time around the first "kiss my muthah f*kin ass,
muthah f*kah"
 
BTW can someone explain why the Olympics hasn't had such an adverse affect
on Barkely and his Suns? And what does rough play on the part of NY or
Detroit in years past have to do with the Bulls now?
 
--Eric
From: robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: La Lakers
Date: 22 Dec 1992 18:16:46 GMT
Organization: Your Guess Is As Good As Mine...
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: itro7s.aero.org

In article <1992Dec22.174725.2843@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
|
|More Laker like than Worthy and Green?  Why is that?  He was there earlier
|than Green, but I think he only posted starting guard type of numbers a year
|before Green did.  Worthy was definitely a Laker before Scott was and unlike
|Scott, he was always a star.
|
|Personally, I don't see why Scott is getting such criticism this year.  I only
|wish he had performed this well when Magic was healthy...his stats are way up.

OK, I guess I can say *one* nice thing about Scott: it's true that
his game has survived - maybe even flourished - with Magic's departure,
while Worthy's game is hurting BIGTIME in the absense of Magic. I
don't attribute this to attitude, guts, intensity, or any other
intangible. I attribute it to the fact that Worthy used to get ALOT 
of his points by breaking free near the hoop for about a nanosecond - 
more than enough time for the Laker's alltime brilliant 6'9" point
guard to see him over the defense and rifle the ball to him without
looking. As great as Sedale is, he's not 6'9" and can't see over 
the D, and NO ONE else EVER in the game could thread the needle the
way Magic did. Magic got Worthy his points based on Worthy seeing
an Angstrom unit of daylight under the hoop; Magic got Scott his
points in much the same way Scott gets his points now: getting the
ball to Scott on the wing when he's unguarded and from where he'd
hit the open jumper........sometimes :-)

Aside: these days Vlade Divac, when he's out at the top of the key,
has occasionally "found" Worthy near the hoop as Magic used to. The
question is: to what extent is the Laker offense going to structure
things that way? My guess: not very much; Vlade is needed down near
the hoop. Having a tall guy in the backcourt to take best advantage
of Worthy's offensive game may be a thing of the past forever, and
Worthy will either have to adjust or - I hate to say it - become
unneeded for the team.

#ifdef SARCASM
I'm sorry if the above is too technical for some of you other
"fans" out there........
#endif

			R.S.

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