HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sepstei1@cc.swarthmore.edu (stephen epstein)
Subject: African-Americans in Korean lit
Organization: swarthmore college
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:28:23 GMT

Next semester in the course on modern Korean literature and society which
I'll be teaching at Swarthmore, I'm going to be doing a unit on depictions
of African-Americans in Korean literature.  At a conference I was attending
this weekend, I became aware of precisely how controversial teaching this
topic can be and how upset some of my colleagues (especially Korean
colleagues) are at the idea of using such stories, many of which are
extremely negative in their treatment of African-Americans, as a source for
attitudes in Korean society.  Does anyone have thoughts on the matter?  I
think this could be an interesting topic for the group.  One of my major
questions is what is my role as in discussing these texts. I can't avoid
the fact that I am a "white male professor/ authority figure," but I want
to avoid at all costs being divisive or insensitive in teaching this  very
relevant and important topic.  I should mention, BTW, that the vast
majority of my students will be Korean-Americans, 

For those who are curious, here's a list of Korean works I have found so
far that have African-Anmericans in them.  Does anyone know of others,
particularly those that have _positive_ and psychologically complex
portrayals of black characters?

Chinatown, O Chong-hui
Days and Dreams, Kang Sok-kyong
America, Cho Hae-il
The Silver Stallion, Ahn Junghyo
Black, White and Yellow, Song Ki-jo
Ahbe's Family, Chon Sang-guk
Shorty Kim, Song Pyong-su
The Fellow Travelers, Choi Il-nam
A Grey Man, Choi In-hun
Kipgo P'urun Bam, Choi In-ho

Thanks, Stephen

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: yshan@screamer.ece.ncsu.edu (Youn-Sik Han (Snyder))
Subject: Re: election
Keywords: Who wins
Reply-To: yshan@screamer.ece.ncsu.edu (Youn-Sik Han (Snyder))
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:31:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.173025.19849@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>,
parkin@elm.egr.msu.edu (In Sik Park) writes:
> Results by extrapolation: from MBC broadcast 00:04 
> 
> YS KIM : 42%
> DJ KIM : 38%
> JY C   : 16%
> 
> Summary of results (80 % of finish) 


Is it not the results when 18% of votes are opened?



Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: wyg9633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Wooed Sun)
Subject: Re: Who wins ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:33:26 GMT
Keywords: Election results in korea.

parkin@elm.egr.msu.edu (In Sik -) writes:

>The expecting  results from MBC NEWS, but not final results, yet. 

>YS KIM : Near 42 %
>DJ KIM : Near 37 %
>JY Chung : less than 20 %

>More than 95 % for DJ, less than 5% for YS in HONAM area; 70 ~ 75 % for YS , 
>10~15 % for DJ in YOUNGNAM area. Further news will be soon.

>Above expectation is not assured, anything can be changed.

According to a simple calculation based on the data of 11pm KST,
I get this prediction

	YS : 35 %
	DJ : 32 %

-- 
email : w-yang@uiuc.edu (wyg9633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Subject: Re: Orange-jok (MilGam-jok ?)
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:52:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.150529.10291@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:

>
>They are percussion instruments that are usually used in music.  Thus, they
>can be referred as musical instruments if they are used in musical context.
>That's why I do not think of my frying pan as a musical instrument, but as
>a cooking instrument just because of its application.

I am not arguing here, but you should here the NY street musicians who
plays drums with upside down buckets and stop signs as symbols.  They are
downright awsome.

>>  Corollary #1:  Drummers, like Alex Van Halen
>>and Phil Collins not musicians?
>
>My favorites are John Bonham and Neil Peart.  They are musicians because
>they play MUSIC, or take a part in making music.

Yeah, Bonham!!! Long Live Zeppelin!!!

>>  Corollary #2:  Drum solos and Korean
>>drum dancing are not music?
>
>Drum solo is very short relative to the whole record (or concert) length.
>It is seen more as a break in the whole music flow.  Every single rock
>concert I have been to (I go rather frequently) featured drum solo and I
>think it is an integral part of any rock concert.  I think drum solo can be
>seen as music because it takes a part in it, but I do not feel it is music
>by itself.

In some cases as in native African music, percussions *are* music, or at
least the integral part of it.  And these percussions *do* generate certain
melodies (or different pitches).  I am not a much of a rap fan, but I find
it easier (or more fun) to dance with, say, than heavy metal.  Rap is an
unusual form of music, but rock probably was too about 40 years ago.  Who
knows, rap might become a mainstream music in the future (very sobering
thought...).  Like it or not, we can deny its existence.

>
>>T. H. Brian Chung
>
>James Choi

Andy Kim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: From the poster of "DJ for President"
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:43:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.191403.18007@tc.cornell.edu>, jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.170430.11317@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>>Park Chanjong is not a democratic party member. Lee Chul (from Seoul),
>>Lee Haechan (from Seoul), Hong Sadok (from Kyongbuk) can be good Post-DJs.
>>All of them are 40-something and all of them have a sort of national fame.
>
>	I know Park is not a member of the Democratic Party.  But I was
>asking if there is anyone who could be the leader of *the* opposition,
>not just one party.

Yes, Lee Chul, Hong Sadok and Lee Haechan have such leadership, I think.

>>>If I vote for DJ, I'll be voting for the evil that I really,
>>>really don't trust.
>>
>>Do you have any reason why you REALY REALY don't trust him>
>
>	Go back to my previous post.  It's in there.

Oh did you? I don't think you wrote anything based on the FACT!
We need FACT!
From: jnlee@uucp (John Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Req. (at least Hangul FAQ)
Date: 10 Dec 92 21:36:56 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <UHHYUNG.92Dec8154742@buddle.kaist.ac.kr> uhhyung@buddle.kaist.ac.kr (Uhhyung Choi) writes:
>In article <1992Dec03.164224.11427@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>
>   think someone may want to post Hangul FAQ regularly; also,
>   it would be even nicer if it's updated one from *.kr domain
>   from some expert in Hangul like Uh-Hyung Choi.
>
>I'll update recent changes in the FAQ and post it around next weekend.
>
>-uhhyung

Since many of us do not have 'hanterm' - or something similar - to
read the posts in HanGul, could someone just post the source of the  
Hanterm here.  I realize you can get this from somewhere in kaist domain,
but I for one do not have external FPT access (as I am sure most of
the nodes in .com domain do not allow it for security reasons). 

The suggest format could be: tar -> compress -> uuencode.  

John
From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Orange-jok
Date: 13 Dec 92 17:01:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Dec13.170106.28537
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <gf_pbyG00XsL8QN0RO@andrew.cmu.edu> wc1q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Woncheal Choi) writes:
>I haven't read the article in the magazine but I think 'Orange jok'  is
>a serious problem in korean society. 
[...]
>Rap music is very popular  in korea these days.  There is a popular rap
>singer in Korea who even wears clothes like black people in US.  Why is
>the rap music that popular in Korea (even it might be more popular than
>in US) which is nothing but a black people's music ?  Rap music could
>become so intimidated to korean mainly by the night clubs which are OJ's
>main play ground and young singers who are OJs.  

Please be more careful of your word choice and possible implications
of your words.  No matter where a particular form of music
originates, that by itself should not be a sole factor in
determining whether such music has merit.

My major gripe about Korean rappers are their low quality presentation
as compared to say Hammer or Criss Cross... there is no comparision.
So far there has been whole sale copying and very little innovation
or synthesis, IMO.

Has not similar concern been expressed in the past with groups
like Beatles, and more recently with teenibopper New Kids on ... ?
Did Korean 'KaYo' scene die/totally_transform due to past 'invasions'?

Would you have opposed Western intrusion of its classical music?
Would you have only accepted  classical music from certain
region and not other regions? Or just certain composers? 
What determines acceptibility and compatibility of foreign music?

>[...]
>Korean people's philosophy and ethic have been changing toward those of
>western culture and they are still changing. However, no guideline
>exists in accepting foreign cultures, so they are very susceptible to
>any class of culture. 

What would you suggest? 

Ban all foreign import of movies, music, books, etc... and forbid
anyone to travel abroad...  How about that, then all we have to
do is invite Kim Il-Sung to come take over ROK.  Tell me how and who
will make that guideline?

>Woncheol

I'll try to comment on other parts of your post later.

Andrew Sung Hyun Kim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Koeran Pop Music (Re: Rapping on Korean pop/rock)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:44:25 GMT

In article <62850@mimsy.umd.edu> kimy@cs.umd.edu (Yong-Mi Kim) writes:
>I too am one of those people who are extremely disappointed by Korean
>pop/rock.  It's just not rock music, and it's pretty abysmal as pop
>music.  Has anybody Korean ever hit the hit charts outside of Korea
>and Japan?

Japanese music market is very interesting.  It is very diverse.  At the
lower end (IMO) there is market that even accepts Korean pop.  And at the
higher end there is market for creativity and complexity.

>  Are there any Korean artists acknowledged worldwide, such
>as Yellow Magic Orchestra or Ryuichi Sakamoto?  Come to think of it,
>how come desginers like Issey Miyake or Yoji Yamamoto are regarded
>as geniuses worldwide, and the best we've come up with so far is
>Andre Kim? (gag)  I'm bringing up these Japanese examples because
>they are also Asian and have managed to make a mark in the Western
>world.

Why go for a copy when they can get the real thing?

>Anyway, one thing I've noticed about Korean pop music is that you
>can sing along to most of the stuff.

This is called "Predictability."  It is also known as "lack of creativity."
Music that is written for mass to sing (such as hymn) has to be
predictable.  But it is ridiculous when most of the music can be played
without thouching a black key when played in C major or A minor.

Extremely few Korean pop songs touch on change of key which is a
fundamental technique in keeping the music fresh from beginning to the end.
If you felt the music is sagging as seconds go by, you are getting tired of
the key you are hearing, just like you get tired of watching home-made
video because they were shot from one angle only.  When they are not using
this most fundamental technique, it is only natural that we never hear
anything creative in rhythm (7/8 for example) or harmony (something jazzy
for example).

>  Most of what one hears on
>rock or alternative music radio stations around here is not stuff
>you can sing along to easily.  (When was the last time you sang
>a Kate Bush song a capella and still managed to sound halfway
>decent?)

I do not know what the case is in Koera.  In Japan, half the lower-market
singers cannot sing.  They are kawaiko-chan (miss cutie) mass produced by
Watanabe corporation.  If that is the case in Korea as well, it explains
why the songs are easy to sing.  I am not completely against the
Kawaiko-chan case in Japan.  Some are indeed extremely cute.  I just press
the mute button and stay spell-bound.  and rewind....

>So maybe the expectations on pop music are a bit different.

When you look at the supply, you can safely guess the demand.

>yong-mi

James Choi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jahn@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Juhoon Ahn)
Subject: Re: Good Names Anyone? (was Re: our names were chosen along time ago)
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:59:29 GMT

jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:

>You see, I am expecting my first baby next June.  I recently asked my
>parents and found out my kids' last character is supposed to be "Bae".  For
>some reason, I wasn't really thrilled, since I keep coming up with
>nonsence like "Do Bae", "Sun Bae", "Hoo Bae" and stuff.  Is there anyone
>who can think of good names?  Most likely if will be boy's name, since they
>are less strict about girls names and I don't think there are any pretty
>girl's name with "Bae".   Hell, if I can't find any good names, I might
>just forget about this "dolim" stuff and just go for whatever I like.  I
>would rather have him a cool name than a dorky name.  (How about Flash?)

>Andy Kim

"Bo-Bae" might be a good name.  BTW, my friends call me "Yoohoo."
I am sure everyone know what "Yoohoo" is.  Because some people I 
know of at high school called me "Yuhoon" instead of "Juhoon", it
just became one of my nicknames. :)  

- Juhoon Ahn (jahn@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu)
-- 
Juhoon Ahn                 |He is my loving God and my fortress,
jahn@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu |my stronghold and my deliverer,
MB 942 Brandeis Univ       |my shield, in whom I take refuge,
Waltham, MA 02254-9110     |who subdues peoples under me.(Psalm 144:2)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: DJ for President --- 2
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:16:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.073331.10345@sbcs.sunysb.edu> usenet@sbcs.sunysb.edu (Usenet poster) writes:
>Do ya think I'm too concerned about korean president eletion?  I know what
>you're thinking.  I know this election is the battle of dirty evils.  They
> [....]
>messages like "What is the difference among them? They are all the same 
>crooks."  I'm sick and tired of that kind of reaction about the korean 
>election.  If you don't like my severe interest about election, just ignore
>this.
Then why do you care to post? :)


-- 
 Sung Hyun Kim    kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu // kim_sh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: Corean anthropology.
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:59:04 GMT

In article <101561@netnews.upenn.edu> ipark@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (InYup Park =? IFY) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.183815.10465@news.columbia.edu> kwak@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Nancy Kwak) writes:
>>In article <101440@netnews.upenn.edu> ipark@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (InYup Park; IFY) writes:
>>>In article <Uf9W9tG00VotNWbWIK@andrew.cmu.edu> as59+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arturo Serra) writes:
>>>>We are looking for some information about the Corean anthropology,
>>>>Ethnological Societies) and we need more participation of  Corean
>>>Do you know the name of this newsgroup? 
>>>soc.culture.KOREAN is the answer.
>>	I believe that in Spanish and Italian and perhaps other languages, 
>       Thanks for pointing it out.  I should have thought of it.
>       I believe we are called Coreanos in Spanish.

I was going to stay silent.... but,

The only reason why 'Korea' is spelled with 'K' is due to Japanese
colonization of Korea.  Before, the annexation by Japanese, Korea
was spelled with 'C'; however, this fact did not suite Japanese
who did not like 'Corea' coming before Japan as far as alphabetical
order is concerned.  So, they summarily changed it to 'K'.

Andrew Sung Hyun Kim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: seo@capone.ccsm.uiuc.edu (Jong-Wook Seo)
Subject: Re: Lee Jong-chan quits race.
Organization: Microelectronics Lab - Univ. of Illinios
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:10:57 GMT

In article  <1992Dec13.073336.27064@worak.kaist.ac.kr>,
jwjang@kaist.ac.kr (Chang Jin-woong) writes :


[Korea Herald news report deleted]

>REMARK:
>The article above quoted without any prior permission from Korea Herald 
Company.
You are in trouble!
They would sue you.
(If! If they have learned enough from America, which is being claimed to be
our cultural yard stick at the other part of this news group.
Just a kidding.)

>ANNOUNCEMENT: ON-LINE REPORT ON KOREAN PRESIDENTIAL >ELECTION, DEC 18.
>From 18:00 Dec 18, right after the finish of poll, to 9:00 Dec 19 (Korean
>Standard Time: GMT+9:00), Reports will be posted to s.c.k on the hourly >basis.
>(Remember that this is not an official report of Korean Government. :) )
>Keep running your news reader program.
Sure, I'll.
I am looking forward to see the power of the modern technology.
(Is this too much?)

I really thank you very much for your posting, in advance.


>Liszt from Korea


Jong-Wook Seo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jhshin@cc.gatech.edu ()
Subject: Election Result Available On-line(forwarding)
Reply-To: jhshin@cc.gatech.edu ()
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:34:44 GMT



Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: uhhyung@buddle.kaist.ac.kr (Uhhyung Choi)
Subject: Election Result Available Online
Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 08:36:01 GMT


We're happy to announce that the '92 presidential election result is
available online. The result will be updated hourly basis after the
poll has been closed.

Election result will be available from the following methods.

        1)      finger .election@baram.kaist.ac.kr

        2)      telnet baram.kaist.ac.kr 92

The result will be gathered from HiTEL election board, and MBC TV and
the language used is Korean. You'll be able to get romanized Hangul
message from the finger query and KSC-5601 Hangul message from the
telnet query. Thanks for your interest.

Uhhyung Choi                    Youngjoon Back
CS Dept., KAIST                 CS Dept., KAIST
uhhyung@kaist.ac.kr             yokkom@kaist.ac.kr

P.S.

Disclaimer: The result is provided as is without any *warranty*.
From: ipark@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (InYup Park =? IFY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: A question about Korea ..............
Keywords: Korea
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:30:25 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec17.001952.29873@tc.cornell.edu> jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.223308.22076@rchland.ibm.com> song@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Timothy Song) writes:

>>What must Korea do to become economic superpower ?
>
>	The answer to this question is left to the reader as an exercise.

>	1.  Cut defense budget.  Extra money for economic development is
>           always helpful.

        I agree.

>	2.  Bigger government spending.  

        And how is the government supposed to finance this?
        More taxes?  That would hurt the middle class, not to mention
        the lower class.  And I don't think the money from the defense
        budget cut is enough to finance the road to becoming an 
        econonmic superpower.


>	3.  Smart economic planning.  Find a competitive advantage rather
>       than comparative advantage.
 
        Do you mean to say absolute advantage rather than comparative?
        I don't think that's feasible.
        With the fast advancement of technology, no country would 
        be able to maintain an absolute advantage for long.
        I believe that maintaining a comparative advantage in key
        industries is essential.
        However, smart lobbying might help.
        As an example, I heard they were going to put tariffs on Korean 
        D-ram chips.  This might have been prevented or can nullified
        with some intensive lobbying.

>	4.  Better education.

        I agree.  Korea needs people who are equipped to compete in an
        international environment.  
  
>	5.  A LOT OF LUCK

        Definitely.

>-- 
>T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
>Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
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From: hnkst2+@pitt.edu (Hanhwe N Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Orange-jok (Re: Organge Jok)
Date: 12 Dec 92 08:16:46 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

(Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
>> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>>moon@Virginia.EDU (M. Yi) writes:
>>>I heard about "organge jok" in ab-goo-jung-dong
>>>in bbs.  Can someone tell me their identity,
>>>and problems of them in Korean society?
>>
>>Problems? What problems?
>>They are very attractive young people in Korea.
>
>...and what is organge jok.  

Orange-jok (for Orange as in orange juice, and jok meaning tribe,
or group of people) refers to extremely rich young kids who
drive expensive cars and frequent expensive cafe's in the
Ab-goo-jung dong area of Seoul. Basically,  rich kids doing things 
which rich kids do...

From what I hear, the name comes from a stereotype : they supposedly 
start their day with a glass of orange juice for breakfast in 
an expensive cafe.

As for any problems that such kids might cause, or their actual
existence, there was an article about them and Ab-goo-jung Dong 
in a recent issue of "Young Lady", one of those 'women's' 
magazines which are sort of like Cosmopolitan in the US. No 
comment on the quality of journalism in such magazines.

And NO I do not read "Young Lady"... I just saw it at the Korean
grocery....
-Han
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: It can be harmful.
Reply-To: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:30:34 GMT

There are many signs that Pres. Roh and his government are intervening
the presidential election according to Saegae Times. I think this can be
very harmful for Korea.

First, such an intervention is not  right.
Second, which I'm worrying a lot, such an intervention can give
WRONG impression to certain people and induce another Kwangju Rise.
I don't think Korea can afford another Kwangju Rise.
So here I urge Korean government to quit any dubious action which might give
wrong impression.

Giltsu.
From: ybchoi@vax1.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Korean Presidential Election Progress
Date: 18 Dec 92 23:44:57 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu

Any progress on the presidential election in Korea?
Young
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean