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From: djg@cray.com (Dennis Guldan)
Subject: Re: Hip Dyplasia
Summary: More Hip Dysplasia
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:04:06 CDT

In article <1992Sep11.185113.9122@sctc.com>, miller@sctc.com (Steven M. Miller) writes:
> 
> The OFA appears to only hand out "excellants" if the dog was competely
> put out.   In my breed that typically means killing the dog since Chows
> and anesthesia go together like oil and water.   I've not heard of any
> evidence that anesthesia provides better xrays than sedation.
> 
> Another problem with Chows is that their unique skeletal structure
> means that they almost always appear to be dysplastic to some degree
> as compared to angulated breeds.   
> 
> Personally I would only send my money to OFA if the registration has
> significant value to me.  (i.e. having the number will increase the
> $$ I could make on stud services...)  I do think that Xrays are important 
> if one intends to breed to make sure there aren't any serious problems.  But,
> IMHO OFA is merely a monopoly collecting money for a grading procedure 
> with little intrinsic value.   There is NO documented evidence that
> a dog with any grade of passing hips will produce offspring with passing
> hips.  
> 
> _Steve
> -- 
> Steven Miller
> miller@sctc.com

    One thing I did read. One great advantage the OFA has is with
their volumne of Xrays, the Xray is compared to another of the same
breed. This would be a great help. This is perhaps what I feel
puts the OFA a long way ahead of your local vet. But again if
you're not going to breed think before having it done...


  I hope people aren't totally fed up of this diaglog+. It seems
a lot of good information is getting exchanged.


    Dennis Guldan
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Inappropriate owners
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:00:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER

TR>Hello-
TR>      A friend of mine has been battleing this dilemma..I thought some
TR>feedback from the gang would be good.  My friend apparently has a great
TR>deal of problems with another family in the cub scouts (or something)
TR>who consistantly bring their nervous, out of control, untrained
TR>dobe to scout functions.  She says most of the kids and half the adults
TR>are afraid of this dog.  She realizes  it's not the dogs fault but the
TR>owners and apparently they are having quite a problem getting them to keep h
TR>home.  As I understand it the dog is not really mean but obviously un-
TR>comfortable witha a bunch of rowdy kids(who isn't?).  Anyway another
TR>friend suggested slipping the dog some ex-lax in order to make things very
TR>difficult for the owner-hoping the owner would associate these trips
TR>with diareah for the dog and thus leave him home.  Personally I would just
TR>demand that they leave the dog home or refuse them admittance to what-
TR>ever function but I guess no one wants to do that.  How 'bout it gang?
TR>What do you do in a situation like this where the dogs presence is not
TR>appropriate but not really the dogs fault?

I would suggest that they go to the Scout Master, explain how they feel
and ask him to ban pets from all scouting functions. I am a scout leader
and would never think of bring any of my dogs to a Scouting Function. I
do however bring them to soccor, baseball and swim team practice. With
the dog as uncomfortable as you have stated the problem I would see is
that if the dogs ever feels cornered it could bite someone out of fear.

Kathleen
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From: yzarn@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Philip Yzarn de Louraille)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: best age to bread a female husky
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:27:35 GMT
Organization: Chevron Oil Field Research, La Habra, CA.

In article <1992Sep14.205938.12639@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> mcfadden@bellman.lanl.gov writes:
>In article 6746@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com, yzarn@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Philip Yzarn de Louraille) writes:
>>
>>A friend of mine as a 6 month old female husky. I have a 3-4 year old male
>>husky.
>>We were kicking the idea of breading them.
>>This may be a FAQ, but should we skip the first time when the female
>>will go in heat or what?
>>What would be best?
>>
>>Thank you.
>>-- 
>If all you wre doing was "kicking around" the idea of breeding them, then
>may I strongly urge you to FORGET the idea completely! This isn't something
>that you just sorta do because it might be good for some jollies.
>
>And yes, you should skip the first season and every season that occurs before
>the bitch is fully mature - both mentally and physically. That means with
>a dog like this you should wait until she is at least 18 to 24 months old.

Thanks, this is just the info I was looking for.

And as far as "kicking the idea around", isn't what everyone does before
getting serious about something or do you always instantly come up with a
perect plan to implement whatever you are considering to do???
-- 
  Philip Yzarn de Louraille                 Internet: yzarn@chevron.com
  Research Support Division                 Unix & Open Systems
  Chevron Information & Technology Co.      Tel: (310) 694-9232
  P.O. Box 446, La Habra, CA 90633-0446     Fax: (310) 694-7709
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller)
Subject: Re: best age to bread a female husky
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:07:49 GMT

In article <6771@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> yzarn@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Philip Yzarn de Louraille) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.214817.394@morrow.stanford.edu> liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller) writes:

>And this is why I wanted to hear from experts before doing anything about
>it. You and several other people who have emailed to me have given many
>good advices. Thank you all for that.
	You're welcome indeed!  I'm so glad that you asked BEFORE you bred,
rather than after you had 12 8-week old pups and no new homes for them!

>>I'm sorry to come down on you so hard, but this is an extremely important
>>issue.  You will be creating LIFE and that makes you responsible for it.
>Kinda make me wonder why we have such tough standards on animals and not on
>our own species....
	
	I can't tell you how often I've wondered that very thing!  I
certainly didn't check my husband's pedigree or ask for the results of
x-rays before we married! :)  Although when we were first dating and my
parents thought we were too young, they did suggest that we discuss our
allergy problems with a geneticist to see if we were compatible -- I
thought they were really reaching with that one! :)  Of course, if my kids
end up with serious allergies, well then  . . . :)

Liza Miller


--
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Cibola Labradors            Field * Show * Fun                    415/326-5309
Cibola's Misty Mountain Hop--Hopper                   Mistypoint Kashmir--Kash
	            Campbellcroft Cibola Rosette -- Rosie
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Pig Ears, Choo-Hooves, or Rawhide
Date: 12 Sep 92 07:02:00 GMT
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer)
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525

TO: walls@inland.com

WA>Hello out there in network land. I have another question for all of you.
WA>What are your thoughts and opinions on giving your dog pig ears, choo-hooves
WA>or rawhide ad treats?? I realize pig ears are more expensive than choo-hoove
WA>Choo-hooves are less expensive than rawhide, depending on what size you get.
WA>Are any of these treats high in calories?(I have an overweight dach/terr.mix
WA>Please let me know what treats you give your dogs and what you would recomme

Pigs Ears are different than the others, the dog will eat the entire
thing in a short period of time. My Boxer can devour one in about 30
min. Chew-Hooves last awhile, in my home about month. I do not use
Rawhide Chews, I have short-nosed breeds with large throats, these will
get stuck in the throat and the dog can choke to death. I have had to
physically remove a rawhide from my dogs throat. If you are looking for
something for the dog to chew on I suggest the hooves or a nylabone. For
a treat the pigs ears are great. None of the above would really contain
any calories. I would suggest that if your dog is overwieght to cut his
food intake in half and supplement it with green beans. Green beans have
very little calories and the dog does not realize that it is being put
on a diet. Or try switching to a Lite dog food.
Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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From: kkeating@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kelly Anne Hinkle)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Feeding Dogs Veggies and Fruit?
Date: 6 Sep 92 03:27:39 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <SHAFER.92Sep4092505@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:
>They're particularly fond of cantalope--they're my melon Collie babies.

At this hour of the night, all I can say is "booooooooooooooo".  :)
(Actually, it was pretty funny.)  :)

Kelly
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From: jhill@sierra.com (Julie Hill)
Subject: Re: Hunting Abilities: Lab Registration
Organization: Sierra Geophysics Inc.,  Kirkland, Wa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:00:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.211258.15112@u.washington.edu> martin@biostat.washington.edu (Don Martin) writes:
>
>The second reason is the AKC. To call the AKC conservative and
>slow to change is a gross understatement. As an example, the
>Old English Sheepdog Club has been trying to get permission
>to tie the hair out of the dogs eyes while showing in obedience.
>No way!
>
>
The AKC Obedience Rule Book states:

  Any dog whose hair over its eyes interferes with its vision, may have the
hair over its eyes tied back with either a neutral colored rubber band or a
small plain barrette.  Maltese, Poodles, Shih Tzu and Yorkshire Terriers, may
be shown with their hair tied back as they are normally shown in the breed
ring. (Chapter 1, Section 16)

Julie



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*  jhill@sierra.com
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From: terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: IAMS dog food
Date: 8 Sep 1992 15:02:22 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.eece.ksu.edu

mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson) writes:

>In article <180888INNmek@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S.
>Hlabse) writes:
>>My vet recommended changing my dog's diet because he is
>>a little overweight.  I started him on Science diet and
>>he didn't much care for it.  I changed  it according to
>>my vet's instructions.  I have changed dog food again -
>>this time to IAMS.  He likes this brand but he now has
>>lose stools.  
>>1)  Is it the IAMS food?

>Probably. If your dog has a chronic diarrhea or colitis, the food is
>aggravating the situation. Rest his digestive tract for 24-48 hours (ie. NO
>FOOD) but be sure he has adequate water.

If my dogs get diarrhea, my vet recommends a very bland diet of
hamburger with cooked rice. We take 4 cups of rice and cook it, and
then add 1/2 lb of hamburger.  The dogs love it and it seems to get
their digetive tract back to normal very quickly.  (BTW: The hamburger
should be strained VERY well before it is added to the rice.)  

I am now feeding one of my adults Max Lamb and Rice.  The other is
getting 60% Lamb and Rice and 40% Science Diet Performance.  Both are
doing very well, and have wonderful coats.

--
Terry Hull  -  terry@eece.ksu.edu
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University
From: terrih@mcnc.org (Terri W. Hardwick)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Suggestions for Show Awards
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:57:10 GMT
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC

>In article <1992Sep13.004644.843@news.unomaha.edu>, massey@cwis.unomaha.edu
>(Dana Massey) wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps some of you have seen some unique and nice awards at
>> dog shows --something besides the traditional choices of
>> silver bonbon dishes and coffee mugs with the breed picture
>> on the mug....any ideas, resources, etc would be GREATLY
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> Dana
>> massey@cwis.unomaha.edu
>

An absolutely great gift is a portable chair.  One club gave folding 
director's chairs with a picture painted on the back, like a sheep
scene for herding group winner, obedience jumps & equipment for HIT,
etc.

There are also some really neat folding chairs - a friend won a folding
chair (for HIT) that folded up almost as small as an umbrella!

Baskets are always nice and useful.  I won this weekend a small basket
to hold silverware and napkins, like for picnics.  This one won't
wind up gathering dust in the trophy cabinet!

Nice picture frames are great, too.


Terri Hardwick 					(terrih@mcnc.org)
   	Apropos My Tigerlily PT CGC     (Terv)
   	Apropos My Marco Polo CD HT CGC (Terv)
	Meg (Border Collie)

Gone but not forgotten - Siegfried Von Der Niebel CDX            (GSD)
		 U-CD CH Fierami's Magical Mischief CDXTD HT CGC (Terv)
		 U-CD    Calais de la Zia CDX HIC                (Terv)
From: moyman@ecn.purdue.edu (Mike Moya)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Black GSDs
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:17:20 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: Engineering Computer Network

In article <a3sn6vd.sss@netcom.com>, sss@netcom.com (Small Systems
Solutions) wrote:
> 
> In article <BuBrBB.DEw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> 
> 	schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu (Kay Schlumpf) writes:
> 
> >
> >As the time approaches for us to bring Siegfriend home (like FRIDAY!)
> >I am beginning to think. The breeders say it looks like he's going to
> >stay black and that it's not a common color. Are black GSDs THAT
> >rare? I didn't see many in the books, but then, not a lot of them had
> >good photographs so I could tell.  Are black GSDs banned from the
> >show ring like the white ones? 
> 
> Not at all -- black is highly desirable.  Conformantional flaws could
> mean anything -- cow-hocked, too long, too tall, etc.
> 
> 
I'll tell you what, I was walking my beagle (just a tiny pup at the time)
when I noticed a large black blotch running toward me. The owner called the
dog (and he slowed a bit). When the dog got to me my little beagle was
scared to death and the hair on the back of **my** neck (and my hair to
probably) was standing straight up (I am not easily scared by a dog). We
were seperated by a 3ft high fence (they were playing in a playground
area), this dog was so big his entire head and neck easily looked over that
fence (while on all fours) at us. The dog stopped at the fence after the
owner told the dog to stay. I talked with the owner a bit and she told me
he was a black (pitch black) GSD (a big softie she said). I think she said
he weighed about 150 pounds (and he was not fat). That was the
biggest/scariest/most beautiful dog I have ever seen. I held my little ~10
week old beagle puppy up to it and he gave the big goliath a long lick on
the nose, it was so cute. I will never forget that dog (probably see it
again this winter)...
--moya
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: miller@sctc.com (Steven M. Miller)
Subject: Re: Hip Dyplasia
Organization: SCTC
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:51:13 GMT

djg@cray.com (Dennis Guldan) writes:

>  I have read to get a good Xray the dog must be knocked out
>so as to not move during the Xray. This has caused problems. This is the
>one thing that has kept me from getting my dog Xrayed. And really if your
>not going to have pups, and you keep your dog in good shape, I quess I
>would not have it done. Unless your Vet can Xray while the dog is awake
>yet the OFA says that is not reliable.

The OFA appears to only hand out "excellants" if the dog was competely
put out.   In my breed that typically means killing the dog since Chows
and anesthesia go together like oil and water.   I've not heard of any
evidence that anesthesia provides better xrays than sedation.

Another problem with Chows is that their unique skeletal structure
means that they almost always appear to be dysplastic to some degree
as compared to angulated breeds.   

Personally I would only send my money to OFA if the registration has
significant value to me.  (i.e. having the number will increase the
$$ I could make on stud services...)  I do think that Xrays are important 
if one intends to breed to make sure there aren't any serious problems.  But,
IMHO OFA is merely a monopoly collecting money for a grading procedure 
with little intrinsic value.   There is NO documented evidence that
a dog with any grade of passing hips will produce offspring with passing
hips.  

_Steve
-- 
Steven Miller
miller@sctc.com
``He's dead Jim!  You grab his tricoder.  I'll grab his wallet.''
From: m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Hip Dyplasia
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:22:50 GMT
Organization: Federal Reserve Board
In-reply-to: djg@cray.com's message of 9 Sep 92 13:25:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.082525.25934@hemlock.cray.com> djg@cray.com (Dennis Guldan) writes:

   > I own a Siberian Husky, and I have just recently learned that
   > they can suffer from Hip Dyplasia (I have absolutely no idea how
   > you spell it). I was wondering, if the dog has a tendency
   > towards it, when do the symptoms appear.  My dog is 3 yrs old.
   > 
Dennis:
      It will cost about $100 to have your dogs hips examined and verified
   by the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals (OFA). Your Vet will need to
   put your dog to sleep (not dead sleep), to perform the Xray. The Xray
   will then be sent to the OFA to have 3 independent specialists look at
   the Xray and determine if the problem exists. The OFA will get the 
   results back in about 3 weeks. I don't have their address here today
   but I have it at home... I am presently writing an article about 
   Hip Dyplasia.

      Actual I would not worry too much about your Husky. The breed has
   very low incidence of Hip Dysplasia ony 2.9%. Versus St Bernards at 47.4%,
   Newfoundlands at 31.9%, English Setters at 25.8%, Golden Retrievers at
   22.9%, Labs at 14.3%. Only Sheepdogs & Borzois have a lower incidence.

Wayne: Dennis, do you know the answer to the other question?  When do 
       symptoms appear?  Also, after these x-rays, what can be done if
       there is H.D.  I mean, if you can't do much, what good are x-rays?
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: macaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (MACKINNELL AMANDA)
Subject: Re: Suggestions for Show Awards
Summary: good ideas
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:19:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.004644.843@news.unomaha.edu>, massey@cwis.unomaha.edu (Dana Massey) writes:
> Perhaps some of you have seen some unique and nice awards at
> dog shows --something besides the traditional choices of
> silver bonbon dishes and coffee mugs with the breed picture
> on the mug....any ideas, resources, etc would be GREATLY
> appreciated.
> 
> Dana
> massey@cwis.unomaha.edu

	Some of the best things that we recieve at Austrailian shows are :
	Electric blankets(especially at winter shows)
	Eskies..(ok.. um.. those portable wine/beer food coolers)
	Towels, if you have some one good at embroidery then you could get
	some sort of "Best Puppy in Group" or something on them.
	the ACT ladies Kennel Club laid in a stock of port....(hic!)
	Beach Umbrellas and deck chair set.. ideal for sitting outside by the
	show ring.
	Small statuettes of each breed (not practical ...)

	One of the show secretaries told me the best way to choose prizes if 
	you were looking for functional awards was to look around your house
	and kennels... and see what you had that you used a lot.. hence towels
	and umbrellas are ALWAYS popular!

	Amanda MacKinnell
From: riacmt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Carol Miller-Tutzauer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Hip Dyplasia
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:30:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I really liked much of what Charlie Sorsby had to say and wanted
to also make the point that OFA certification has the desirable
side effect of creating a vast database of xrays & information
for researchers trying to get a handle on the polygenic basis
of hip dysplasia.  So, even if the process were to be of no
immediate benefit in assurances of hd-free puppies, it has
great value from a research standpoint.

Carol (owner of MacGyver, GSD with severe hip dysplasia, and offspring
of two OFA-certified parents -- and the hip removal surgery went
very well!)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: Barbara S Withem <bwithem@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: test
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:23:04 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Black GSDs (Defending Myself AGAIN!)
Date: 11 Sep 92 08:04:00 GMT
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer)
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525

TO: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu

KS>for Hearing Ear sorts), another had just become a working drug sniffer.
KS>The parents are BOTH OFA certified, his hips are guarenteed, his health

I think it is Great that they raise Service Dogs. I am a great supporter
of Texas Dogs for the Deaf as I am hearing impared!! I wear a hearing
aid, in order to understand what people are saying to me. But, to the
point of this reply,
Check the guarentee, and make sure it is one you can live with. Some
will take the dog back and replace it, others will allow you to keep the
dog, but refund a portion of the purchase price. Remember that if you
have a Hip Problem, this will probably not show up til after you have
become attached to the dog and you will not want to return it for
another dog. Recieving a portion of the purchase price back, will help
you to pay for any bills that you might incur. Even though the parents
have OFA'd this does not mean that you will not have problems. It just
lessens the chance.

Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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From: mfriley@pacman.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Shutterbugs
Date: 11 Sep 1992 16:27:02 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: pacman.wpi.edu

In article <92254.124728NAT@psuvm.psu.edu> NAT@psuvm.psu.edu (patty mulkeen) writes:
>
>     I have a question for all the folks who take lots of pictures
>of their dogs.  How do you get the dog to look happy for the
>camera?  When I take pictures of my lab/golden mix, he gets a very
>sad look on his face and his tail  droops as soon as I look through
>the camera.  It's pretty pitiful, certainly not what I want to capture
>on film!  Any hints would be appreciated (posted or e-mailed, I check
>this newsgroup pretty frequently).  Thanks!
>                                                   Patty Mulkeen
>                                                   nat@psuvm.psu.edu

Patty,

We tend to just carry the camera around at certain times and just take 
"candids" to really capture the dog.   Sometimes we get photos that
are out-of-focus or that are "in motion," but we also get a lot of
fun shots.   (Got a great shot of Sieg and his friend Shelby slamming
chests a few weeks ago in the baseball field!   "Shall we dance?")
I have to agree with the person who posted the note about talking
to the dog after you have gotten him/her to sit and stay.   I've
noticed with my Pyr that if I smile and make funny noises he perks
his ears and tilts his head and sometimes even smiles at me!

--Margaret

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