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From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: Cold war against ISLAM (Part-1)
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
	<1992Jul25.140256.12073@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:08:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.140256.12073@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

>: 
>: Suicide is suicide in my book.  I don't believe you'll find any non-Muslim
>: religion that even brings up the concept that if one takes as many enemies of
>: the faith with one when one dies, one will achieve a direct line to the deity
>: in question.  
>If he is a Muslim he would not go to heaven. You can go to heaven even if you
>do not kill anyone. The purpose of killing is to defend oneself in war, so
>as to win.

But I didn't say that ONLY when one kills someone does that someone go to
heaven.  I said that was one of the ways...but see my response below.

	   There was the story of Ali, onw of the Caliphs.
> He has disabled his enemy and want to
>strike him to death, but suddenly the enemy spit on him,so he became angry.
>Now the purpose of killing the enemy is hate, no more war related, so he
>suddenly stopped.

Okay.  I accept that story.

>: 
>: A religion can only be judged on its practioners because, in theory, everything

>It is just like saying club member is still a club member even if he does not
>pay his fees. The paying of fees is just like a disciplinary action to be
>performed by its members, to be entittled to be a member.

So, if I'm not wrong, you're saying that all who execute suicide attacks are
non-Muslim?   If so, then I have no further argument to present, stand
corrected and present my apologies.

>: is perfect, be it communism, Christianity or whatever.
>I have never thought that communism and christianity are perfect. I never
>judge communism and christianity based on what they do. I just study the
>philosophies and idealism behind these teachings. Most people can just 
>achieve 90% of these idealism, but it does not mean that what they are not doing
>right(the 10%) constitute part of the religion.

Hmmm...  All right.  I'll grant that.

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From: yongwee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yong Wee Dennis Lee)
Subject: Re: Best School in Malaysia
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 15:18:43 GMT

In article <l6sj4lINN3kf@nyquist.usc.edu> goh@nyquist.usc.edu (K.C.Goh) writes:
>
>3)	Raffles Institution and RJC
>		"If I apply your criterion, I would vote RI to be 
>		the most successful school in the region.....
>		....  RI continues to be great because it is able to 
>		attract the BEST and most able students..
>						Dennis Lee"

Correction: I meant to refer to RI only, not RJC... Many good students from RI
chose to go to other JCs for various reasons, like breaking out of a fixed
social circle, and escaping from the depressingly 'kiasu' culture of Raffles.
In my opinion, RJC is great mainly due to its huge intake of RI students; thus
the root of 'greatness' comes from RI :)

Dennis Lee
Stanford University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: polsak@nuscc.nus.sg (Suzaina Abdul Kadir (Ms))
Subject: University of Wisconsin-Madison and Singaporeans
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 06:52:20 GMT



I am looking for some members of the Singapore Students
Association of the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

I need to get in touch with some of you and it'll just 
take too long with I snail-mail.

Thanks.

- Suzaina


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From: ng@kutsuda.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Ng Pek Yong)
Subject: Re: Internet Guide (was Re: soc-culture-asean)
Reply-To: ng@kutsuda.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp
Organization: Kyoto Univ. dept. of Info. Sci. Tsuda Lab.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:06:45 GMT


 >As Hock Koon Lim (lim@merlion.cwru.edu) was saying, there is a guide
 >call "ZEN: The internet guide" available for beginners, however it is
 >in .ps (postscript) format. Unless you have a postscript printer, you
 >won't be able to print it. I have the ascii version of the document
 >and I'll be willing to send it to anyone if you send me a email.
 >
 >Cheers,
 >
 >***
 >Albert Foo, Campus Computing
 >University of Missouri
 >Internet: uc580503@mizzou1.missouri.edu

Yes I am interested in the ascii version.
Thanks in advance.

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From: kfboey@descartes.waterloo.edu (Steve Boey)
Subject: Re: Loving Malaysian Prince:New Developments 
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:13:23 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.113752.1272@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Oth
man Ahmad) writes:
> News Straits Times, Singapore(Page 2):
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 1. The Malasian Prince called Raja Kamarul held a press conference at a hotel
> in Kuala Lumpur....... [ deleted ]
>
        Can't recall having the "News Straits Times" in Singapore, I must
have been away for too long................


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From: sya@pe5.pe.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Social Development Unit (Re : was Sins of Singapore)
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:28:04 GMT
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harish@csar.uucp (Harish Pillay) writes:

>ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>>>harish@csar.uucp (Harish Pillay) writes:
>>> Apologies for not making the above clear.  The Visa card scheme is for 
>>> people who are Raffles alumni.  Everytime a person uses the card, 
>>> Standard Chartered gives 1% (I think) of what was spent to a fund set 
>>> aside for scholarships. That way, the alumni can continue contributing 
>>> to the school long after leaving school.  I think this is a neat idea 
>>> that should be explored by other schools. 
>
>>I think that the 1% of the amount spent will go into the scholarship fund is
>>incorrect.  This is because the bank charges the retailer (i.e. a discount)
>>between 1.5% to 3%.  For example, when UOB launched their Visa card, in
>>order to get their merchants (term used in the credit card business to mean
>>retailers that accept credit card and sell at a discount to the bank), a
>>figure of about 1.6-1.8% were charged.  A similar cost structure was introduced
>>by DBS when they launched their Visa cards.  Incidentally, American Express
>>charges the highest discount (as much as 6% on the transaction).
>
>Well, I just called up Standard Chartered (+65-227-7662) and verified that
>indeed there is an amount of money that SC gives to ORA for the scholarship
>scheme.  The nice lady at the end of the phone, however, could not confirm
>what percentage it is, saying that it is confidential.  In any case, I recall
>reading somewhere that it was 1% (maybe it is 0.5%).


  I would think that this kind of information should be made known to all
  the cardholders. If the bank promises to present a percentage of the
  charges for the scholarship scheme, then the very least they could do
  would be to tell everyone how much exactly they're going to donate.
  Apparently, some of the cardholders would conceivably spend more for the
  sake of the school. 

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From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Credit/Charge Card (was Re: Social Development Unit)
Date: 29 Jul 92 10:55:02 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <920729022712.212004ec@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU>, SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli) writes:

>   No doubt to avoid paying the credit card fees. This is a consumer
>   edge in itself. An interesting book I read ("Turning Plastic Into Gold")
>   a couple of years ago mentioned how merchants would go as far as to 
>   offer their customers a slight discount on merchandise if cash were
>   used. The percentage discount would normally be much more than the
>   fee percentage deducted by credit card companies.

A more common practice seems to be that retailers would charge an additional
2-4% extra on the purchase price if one uses a credit card.  This practice,
though common, has been actively discouraged by both CASE and the various
banks in Singapore.  In many instances, retailers would charge an amount 
more than the rate they are discounting to the bank, which means that if
one uses a credit card, the retailer end up earning more.  Unscrupulous
practice, if I may say so.

Regards.

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From: cheu@krypton.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Subject: Re: Malaysia : Badminton/Hockey ?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Reply-To: cheu@krypton.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:24:29 GMT

Results of today (july 28)

Hockey: Malaysia - CIS
           3        7

Malaysia has lost 2 games in a row.

For more info, please tune in to rec.sport.olympic



Kelvin Cheu
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Subject: Re: Childrens and the rights of their parents.
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:32:15 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Jul27.140658.7902@news.iastate.edu> txd07@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:

[Re: the story of the choice being given to the child]
>	To hell with Australian, Malaysian and international laws. Ask those
>children, and stop this bickering in this newsgroup. You people out there
>stoops so low, like using profane languages and uncalled for name-callings.
>
>	It's like having a newsgroup full of eight-year-old who just learns how to
>swear.
>	Grow up.

This must have been the best arguement I have heard on this thread of
discussion.  The recent low life mud slings have exposed only thing:
the desire to hurt each other's pride - there is little positive
discussion on the actual issue.  I say, "good on you, Abu Syafiq"
for telling us this story - I am not a moslem but I must say, I
fully agree with the message contained in the story.

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From: leongaw@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ak Wing Leong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Encik Othman & Others
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:06:52 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

Actually if Encik Othman is writing from Malaysia he would have been in jail
under our ISA laws without trial for as long as the government pleases. Wonder
why the Singapore government is not acting yet ?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Hwa Chong's not that bad!
From: chun@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Chun-Kuen Ho)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:38:13 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In <2A6CF437.7290@noiro.acs.uci.edu> cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes:


>Finally, I don't think one can judge the success of a school by
>looking at number of A's alone.  It is a good indicator but not
>a perfect measure.


>Kelvin Cheu

infact, whether number of A's is still a good indictor at all is
itself a very big question. look at the number of people who score
strict A's in o and a level -- they increase exponentially every year.
i don't believe the kids nowaday have suddenly got so much smarter
than those of us just a few years back. if that is an indicator, it
only indicates that how well our students are EXAM-prepared.

chun-kuen ho
chicago
From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Social Development Unit (Re : was Sins of Singapore)
Date: 26 Jul 92 17:08:13 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <199207250028.AA02116@pe5.pe.utulsa.edu>, sya@pe5.pe.utulsa.edu (Syed Shibli) writes:

>   I would think that this kind of information should be made known to all
>   the cardholders. If the bank promises to present a percentage of the
>   charges for the scholarship scheme, then the very least they could do
>   would be to tell everyone how much exactly they're going to donate.
>   Apparently, some of the cardholders would conceivably spend more for the
>   sake of the school. 

I doubt if there will be many people who would spend more for the sake of
the school on purpose.  A more likely situation will be that given the
choice of the various credit cards the person has, he/she may decide to use
one in preference to the other cards.

Regards.

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From: tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca (Tarun Kripalani)
Subject: Test
Organization: Dept. Of Psychology,  Queen's University,  Kingston
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:51:06 GMT

Testing to see if my article is posted.
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Kingston, Ontario.
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From: SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: OLYMPICS IN MALAYSIA ????
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:03:42 GMT
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rezal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman) writes:

>In article <gting.712224606@sfu.ca> gting@fraser.sfu.ca (Gabriel Sii Kuok Ting) writes:
>>sya@PE3.PE.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli) writes:
>
>>
>>>  That's 18 million realize (plural verb). I see nothing wrong with
>>                     ^^^^^^^
>>That's ALL 18 million realise... :) Personally I would have preferred 
>>"recognise". ;)
>>           

>	Both spellings "realise" and "realize" are correct. The
>	Queen`s English uses "realise" if I'm not mistaken while
>	American English uses "realize". Upon checking the online
>	Oxford English Dictionary however I found out that the word
>	"realise" is not recognized by the OED while on the other
>	hand, there is >100 line long heading for "realize".

  Neither does Websters TNID list "realise" as a word. If the OED doesn't
  list it, then it might be because "realise" doesn't exist. As far
  as I can remember, I've been spelling it "realize" since kindergarten.

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From: harish@temasek.uucp (Harish Pillay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Official opening of RI (Bishan)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 13:16:24 SST
Distribution: world
Organization: Private Singapore UUCP and USENET site

eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

> : 
> : >        Do you think it is fair to Singapore Malays and Indians; to 
> : >compete with the best in the world?
> : 
> : Why do you single out Singaporean Malays and Indians?  No, I do not think 
> : these two groups have any problems competing. 
> 
> The Malays and indians constitute 15 % of Singapore's population. When less
> than  1% of them can get into RI, something must be wrong. Something must be
> done about it.

I wonder where you got your figures.  My Sec 1 cohorts numbered about 270.
There were 18 of us who were doing Tamil as a 2nd language.  There were
other Indian boys who were doing Malay as their 2nd language.  I can count
easily 20 other classmates who'd be classified as Malay.

This gives me about 40 who were either Indians or Malays.  That is almost 20%.
I'm not even counting Eurasians and others.

I do not know how the distribution is now these days.

Enjoy.

Harish

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From: potency@violet.berkeley.edu (Tom Slone)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Looking for Indonesian students in Berkeley (& nearby)
Date: 29 Jul 1992 20:22:06 GMT
Organization: dis
Distribution: ucb
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Originator: potency@violet.berkeley.edu

Hello,
A friend of mine has an Indonesian student staying with her for 5 weeks.
He doesn't know anyone in the area and he is alone during the day, so he
is looking for someone to talk to once in a while.  If you are interested,
please send mail to account and I will get you together.
Thanks,
Tom
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From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: Childrens and the rights of their parents.
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:18:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.140658.7902@news.iastate.edu> txd07@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:

>   It so happen that during the Time of The Prophet Muhammad, Peace Be Upon
>Him, there's a case where a husband became Murtad, i.e. denouncing Islam and
>become a Disbeliever. His wife still clings on to Islam, and this couple have
>a son the fight over with. The couple brings the son to the Prophet, hoping
>that He would do justice to them and give the son to the one who deserves him.
>
>   Both of them gave their points of arguments. You what the Prophet say?
>He told the son to choose whoever he likes between the two of them, and ask
>the mother to pray for his son's faith. And Praise Be to ALLAH, the child
>choses his mother, (and not his infidel father).
>
>   I guess, Muslim and Non-Muslim alike, should use this kind of judgment
>in that prince and whatever-it-is-case.

But what if the child is too young to decide?  What then?

>	   To hell with Australian, Malaysian and international laws. Ask those
>children, and stop this bickering in this newsgroup. You people out there
>stoops so low, like using profane languages and uncalled for name-callings.
>
>   It's like having a newsgroup full of eight-year-old who just learns how to
>swear.
>
>   Grow up.

While I agree with Abu Syafiq about the bickering and use of expletives, I
cannot agree with the sentiment of doing away with laws.  Without laws, this
world would degenerate into an even more anarchic state than it already is.



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From: leongaw@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ak Wing Leong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Putera Puteri Negara Jaya..
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:19:41 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

Isn't Madonna better ?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: js@kepler.unh.edu (Janto Suwirjo)
Subject: Re: Encik Othman & Others
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:41:18 GMT


leongaw@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ak Wing Leong) wrote:
>Actually if Encik Othman is writing from Malaysia he would have been in jail
>under our ISA laws without trial for as long as the government pleases. Wonder
>why the Singapore government is not acting yet ?

How do you know he isn't in jail now. He hasn't posted for a while...


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: u925979@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Hee Poh)
Subject: 1998 Commonwealth Games in KL?
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:29:17 GMT

Is anyone willing to report about the above news?


HP.
Waiting for such games to be held in Malaysia, for a long long time.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.australian
From: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Reply-To: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 07:40:04 GMT


In a previous article, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) says:

>In article <1992Jul26.001846.23947@newshost.anu.edu.au> kcj@vulcan.anu.edu.au
> (Kate Juliff) writes:
>
>: In article <1992Jul25.155607.26285@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>: >In article <1992Jul25.174053.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:
>: >
>: >: 
>: >: Please shut up.  You are making an absolute fool of yourself in a multinational

> >I am tired arguing with you even in written medium. Your last phrase sums it
> >all. 
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>You too! You expect people to shut up but blabbers nonsense yourself. From my
>experience, it is useless to talk to fools.


Pardon me, but it seems to me like you're insulting yourself, Encik Othman.
...blabbers nonsence...fools..., eh??? Enuf said. I rest my case.


>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet


ATAN
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