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From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: An Aikido Question (...what else!)
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:26:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.194245.23845@cs.rose-hulman.edu> acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>
>recently, we did an interesting exercise/freestyle where uke attacks nage,
>nage throws uke 3 or 4 times in rapid sucession, each time preventing
>uke from gaining balance/control. it was a great deal of fun (and tiring
>as hell).
>
>a few questions:
>1) i used a lot of kote gaeshi (wrist throws) and shihonages. this seemed
>to be the best thing to do as uke struggled to his feet...grab one of his
>extended arms and throw him. will kokyunage (projection type techniques)
>be better techniques to use in such a situation? i used a few and then found m
>my self chasing after uke as he fell away from me. i even tried holding
>onto him as i projected him (he didn't like that ;-)). any other suggestions?

In the situation you describe (single opponent who can't be
immobilized immediately), Aikidoka I know would use techniques
that dropped uke right at their feet.  Sending him flying outside
your sphere of control is inferior strategy.  The point is not
just to throw uke, but to immobilize him as quickly as possible
so he can't do himself any more damage.  You can't do that if
you keep throwing him away.

>2) we then did a 2 man attack (2 attack one). one of the problems i had was
>"attacking" uke1 after i had thrown uke2. i felt somewhat uncomfortable 
>going after uke2 (even though it made sense) since it made me feel 
>defenseless. what is the procedure here? should i "attack" uke2 and use his
>subsequent block on which to apply a technique? one of the dangers in doing 
>so is that he can counter my attack and throw me.

Here (multiple attackers) is where "projection" techniques make
sense.  You don't have to "go after" uke2 if you knock him down
with uke1.  Once you own one attacker, you are essentially armed
with a massive blunt object that can quickly even up the odds
against other attackers.

Disclaimer: don't take any of this too seriously.  I'm an Aikido
no-belt specializing in ukemi.
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
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From: quixote@cix.compulink.co.uk (Aurelio Barranco)
Subject: Re: An Aikido Question (...wha
Reply-To: quixote@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:31:00 +0000


Doesn't surprise me at all, at the club I go to a lot of shomen-uchi
ikkyo and yokomen-uchi ikkyo start with tori attacking uke.
Sensei will often comment on how Aikido is not always purely
reactive, infact you should never react, you should blend (awase
..... spelling?).

Aurelio
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: Yogis/MA
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:22:11 GMT


Irrespective of complaints about my anti-christian views, there are two things
to remember: 1) I will never proselytize (sp?) because I don't give a hoot
what you believe if you don't try to force it down my throat, 2) and you will
never see yogis attempting to manipulate (by force of will) another culture's
way of life.  

And, it is the eastern view (via philosophy and action) that permeates the
martial arts from the beginning.  It is only inappropriate to mix Christianity
with MA because it is irrelevent to it (for the most part).  To discuss Taoism
or yogism with MA (on the other hand) is perfectly natural, because they have
been historically united and have influenced each other from time immemorial.

The concept of energy exchange, of yin and yang, of yielding and redirecting:
all are inherent to yogism and taoism, all are inherent to Asian martial arts.
In case you would argue for our (western) influence on these arts, I will
argue that our influence is so far trivial and not to be regarded as serious.
We have not yet extended anything that hasn't been understood for eons in
Asia (not including guns and atom bombs)... perhaps someday.
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Wing Chun style...help!
Keywords: Wing chun kung fu
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:18:27 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Aug10.181749.3511@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> guest@jaws1.austin.ibm.com () writes:
>are there any practitioners of wing chun(I believe 
>that's how it's spelled) style kung fu out there?

There are a few...

>If so, could you (1) tell me of any training halls in
>Southern new mexico( las cruces area )? and (2) let me

Sorry, don't know of any.

>know how effective you feel this to be as a fighting
>art?( as opposed to  tai chi(sp?) which from what I've

WC is very effective (what isn't?) if you train right. I think as a rule
it develops good infighting skills very quickly, but then there is a
significant slowdown developing medium and long range skills. (At least
at the school I studied at) More subtle aspects like grappling might not
be developed very fully in this art (at least to my novice eye), and
those that are in the system are fairly obscure. 

>read here in the past few weeks seems to be more of
>a meditative pursuit ) 

This is perhaps most commonly the way it is presented in the US (world?)
today, but certainly not always the case. Taiji can be a very effective
combat art, many believe among the most effective. Of course, we all
know that it is really the individual that is more important than the
art...

Perhaps some of the other WC people will come out of the closet and give
you their impressions too...

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu
From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: The Christian MA
Date: 13 Aug 1992 18:34:46 GMT
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.

In article <1992Aug13.162117.9300@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>
>Here I am trying to get some work done and somebody goes and posts a truly
>flameworthy post... sheez.
>
>It's too bad Mr. Northcutt is such a good guy, because otherwise I would
>>really enjoy a vicious assault.
int:
>
>Let me phrase some questions gently, the answers to which I do not want to
>hear from anyone (especially in personal email):
>


I'm not going to take the time to reply to your ignorant and insulting
post (not worth my time), tho I'm sure others will be so inclined.
My point: Don't flame and expect to not hear from anyone.




 live a good life, try to be a good
>example, and KEEP OUR MOUTH's SHUT!  
>
>
See the above.

>
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>


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From: benezra_a@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Violent Crime (WAS Re: Which form for children?)
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:20:58 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <24739@castle.ed.ac.uk>, loki@castle.ed.ac.uk (A Kashko) writes:
> In article <1769@celia.UUCP > celia!neil@usc.edu (Neil Richmond) writes:
>  >think this has some analogs in humans. You seldom see criminals attack some-
>  >one they think can defend themselves, ie. armed security guards or police. 
> 
> 	This is true of amateur, but not professional criminals.

    The fact (i think) remains that most of the violent crimes are committed by
amateurs and not pros. The professional criminal rarely encounters a
normal, non security type person. It's the random violence that scares me.
If all we had to worry about was professional criminals, the murder, rape, and
assault figures, imho, would be way down.  I just want my kids to be able to
protect themselves from the class bully and the kook that just happens to be
in the mood to attack someone.
ab 
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From:  (Tim Ryan)
Subject: Re: Can anyone be a Black Belt?
Organization: tmr@wdl1.wdl.loral.com
Distribution: (Tim Ryan)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:26:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.152258.18293@math.okstate.edu>, hoff@fasic5.tmc.edu (Jim Hoff) writes:

> 	Comments?  Similar experiences?
> 
> 					Jim Hoff
> 
I thought I'd give my .02 cents worth.
My feelings are that not everyone can be a Black Belt it takes years to
become a Black Belt and lots of dedication and whole lotta bucks. 
(Check out  the number of people who drop out! I'm sure its high in most
schools) 

At the Tae Kwon Do Dojo I train in, its easy to see the students that have a
natural ability and those who don't, (and that includes myself, 
I have poor flexiblity) but I show up to  class everyday and work very
hard to improve my flexiblity. 
I will earn my Black Belt, not because I paid X amount of dollars, because 
its something I want very badly. I've heard alot of people say that say that 
that person doesn't deserve that Black Belt the studio just gave it to them. 
I don't know where people get that stuff from? Most MA are very dedicated 
to there art.

Knowbody is given a Black Belt, it comes from hard work and dedication. 
Yes you can buy a Black Belt its easy, just go to the locale equipment store
and pick the color you want. But it has NO meaning, a Black Belt is just
a peice of cloth, but the knowledge that's behind the belt is what is 
important and  as all of you know its no easy task at getting your belt.

People don't fail at our Black Belt testing either, or any other rank at our 
studio. Because their pre-tested by the instuctors. Each student is a
reflection of there instructor. The instructors will hold you back if they 
think your not ready.

Somebody asked if other schools have regular Black Belt testing. Our school
does, and its required that eveyone must attened. It happens twice a year
and its no small gathering last month almost 5000 people showed up for 
the testing, there usualy about 50-80 people testing for ther Black Belt.
Its a real big thing in our studio to show support to your school.

The school is Ernie Reyes West Coast Tae Kwon Do association.
I don't have my Black Belt yet! but its not far way. And I don't plan to stop
there! I have made a life time commitment! to staying with the art.

Tim Ryan
Black Belt in training
>
From: dschwepk@samson.hac.com (Daniel Schwepker)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Judo in Dallas
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:32:05 GMT
Reply-To: dschwepk@samson.hac.com
Organization: Hughes Training Incorporated, WCO

I am facing a move to Dallas, Texas, and would like advance information about
judo dojos in the area. Particularly southwest of Dallas, around Arlington.

Daniel

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich)
Subject: Re: The Christian MA
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:29:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.142321.9055@uwm.edu>,
ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes, in response to Stephen Northcutt's
so-called "The Christian MA" post:

>blechh
>
>
>I would say more but I'm to busy still laughing at Quayle and Baker.

You realize, of course, that this simply proves Stephen's point about
Christian values being lacking in today's world :-).  At least, it
gives him some ammunition ;-).
	-Steve
From: aaron@iit.com (Aaron Emigh)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Recommendations sought for T'ai Chi in CA
Keywords: advice sought
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:05:32 GMT
Reply-To: aaron@iit.com (Aaron Emigh)
Distribution: na
Organization: Integrated Information Technology


A friend (and fellow Uechi-ryu practitioner) is looking for a T'ai Chi
school in the general Silicon Valley area.  I would think that a more
martial orientation would be preferred, but he's also interested in the
softer substyles.

Any recommendations of particular schools in the area are greatly
appreciated; I'll pass them on.

Thanks,
Aaron Emigh
aaorn@iit.com
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From: hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn)
Subject: Re: aikido<->judo
Keywords: wristlocks
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 18:38:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.012115.1540@latcs1.lat.oz.au> jd@latcs1.lat.oz.au (John Dimogotsis) writes:
>
>	The trick in performing AIKIDO techniques, against anybody, is to
>apply them at the right time, i.e. when there is an opening. Inexperienced
>people will think "lets do shihonage on this guy!" and try to do so, regardless
>of whether the opponent is in an apropriately weak position for this, most 
>likely they will then fail.

Gee, that's funny.  Last night, my instructor said that was the trick to
Wing Chun...

At a guess, that's the trick to *anything*.  It's just that in some arts,
like, say, boxing (or, for that matter, even Wing Chun) you can get
away with sort of forcing the technique on "uke", whether it's appropriate
or not, as long as you're strong, fast, and tough enough.  But, like
some people say, "you *could* do that, but it wouldn't be Aikido".

Hmmm...

-- 
Peter Hahn           |hahn@network.com|"...In Peking, he told me, there lived a
7600 Boone Ave. N    |+1 612 424-4888 |famous boxer who dropped down from three
Brooklyn Park, MN USA|                |stories onto an interior courtyard
55428                |                |without making a sound when he landed."
From: guest@shappy.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Schools- austin, tx.
Keywords: schools austin
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:10:28 GMT
Reply-To: guest@shappy.austin.ibm.com ()
Followup-To: schools- austin, tx.
Organization: IBM Austin, TX

It sound like you are looking for a good, 
traditional school. I suggest you look to

master yi tukong martial arts
northwest: lonnie lepp 331-5425
central: don may 345-5425

this is a very traditional school.  the
system they teach is a tae kwon do combat
style developed for the south korean 
military.  they are also listed in the
yellow pages.  I enjoyed the months I
was able to train there (i've lived in 
austin 3 mo. and leave to head back to 
school in about a week, unfortunately)
tremendously(sp?), and, from what you
described in your post, you will too.

  
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From: bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers)
Subject: Re: Swords and proper balance
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:55:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.214638.22824@phx.mcd.mot.com> jleung@phx.mcd.mot.com (Jim Leung) writes:

> My past intructor in Hong Kong had two Katana's he liked
>to use. One had the balance at about 3 inches from the tsuba,
>the other had the balance at the tsuba. He liked to use the one
>with the balance at the tsuba for demonstration of forms, and
>the 3 incher for striking (both mental and phtsical) demonstrations.
>He said that the 3 inch is the Proper (tm) balance point, but he felt
>he was a little quicker with  the balance at the tsuba. I couldn't
>tell the difference, both flashed around faster than I could follow ;)

I suppose it depends greatly upon what one is trying to do.  But the
farther out the balance point is, the more power (but slower) the cut
is.  A proper demonstartion of a no-dachi or dai-katana is usually
impressive.

>Of course I may be wrong, ask the KENDO guy's, they are the experts :-)

I wonder, how many kendo folks really _DO_ know how to handle a katana
properly?

--
...ignoring the fact that most Alfas spend their time cruising for
chicks, most Datsuns being washed and most Porsches in parking spaces
marked "Doctor"...              -Henry N. Manney III, Road and Track
Al Bowers                                 bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov
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From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Re: kundaline & sinanju
Organization: just me
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 13:44:51 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts

In article <1992Aug13.171705.27347@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.124724.29177@srg.srg.af.mil> dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552) writes:
>}In article <1992Aug10.195402.15617@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
>}>
>}>Two items:
>}>1. The Book (by Barnes?) titled _The Kundalini Equation_.
>}
>}This book (by Steve Barnes) is weird but good.  The main character gets
>}into a sort of "applied Chi-Kung" practice, which was originally developed
>}long ago to turn volunteers into killing machines.  It affects him physically
>}as well as mentally.  I liked the tension created by comparing "good" 
>}martial arts teachers to cultists.  
>
>Actually, I bought the book over a year ago.  I was sorta hoping for
>comments concerning the synthesis the main character devised, and what
>was thought of his "traininng method".

I am not sure how all the visualization exercises the guy did could extend
to normal people.  Didn't he mention something about having an unusually
vivid visual imagination?  And drinking animal blood is right out.

Meditation seems to help, although I would not do it all day...:-)
>
>}>2. The series (Murphy & Sapir, now ghostwritten) _The Destroyer_.
>}
>}Ah!  This is a serialized history of Sinanju.  It is absolutely accurate.
>}The only fault I find is that it does not contain enough of Chiun's amazing
>}poetry.  A look at the two greatest martial artists in history, and what
>}MA's can do besides opening a dojo and teaching.  A true inspiration to all
>}of us!
>
>Here, I was interested in comments on the idea of a "sun source" and the
>training methods (this series is what introducted me to many of the martial
>arts as I searched through factual literature of actual occurences that matched
>the extraordinary things done.  Found most of them for the first 50 or so...)

What kind of events did you find as a basis for the books?

I have always been interested in a general "source" for martial arts, and in
trying to figure out how old it might be.  For example, a lot of the "older"
martial arts included both striking and grappling arts.  The newer ones tend
to be striking styles.  Does this reflect in any way the greater availability
and lethality of weapons in the last 2000 years or so?
>
>And while Chiun may like Ung poetry, his instructor didn't and his pupil
>doesn't!  ;-)

This is of course one of Remo's major failings.  Chiun seems to believe that
it is also one way in which he exceeds his master...:-)

		David Pipes
robear@digex.com
From: kirch@pilot.njin.net (Murray Kirch)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Tai Chi Classes in Philadelphia
Keywords: Tai Chi
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:27:21 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


A friend would like to study Tai Chi in the Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania area.  She is a teenager who has had a brief
introduction to Wu style.  If you know of any classes that might
be forming, please e-mail the info to me.

Thanks,
Murray Kirch
kirch@pilot.njin.net
From: ami-tox@cup.portal.com (Enrico Ami-tox gilberti)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Rope as a weapon ?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 17:52:03 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
  <1992Aug20.081655.11965@ecst.csuchico.edu>

Could somone leave the info needed to get a video on Hojojutsu
 
     Thanx
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From: eclipse@unixland.natick.ma.us (Mark Urbin)
Subject: Re: Violent Crime (WAS Re: Which form for children?)
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:31:21 GMT

In article <88315@rphroy.ph.gmr.com> murray@what.gmr.com (Brian Murray) writes:
[snip]
>5) Finally, they have a tendency toward massive use of deadly force.
>Revenge "hits" (and there is a high proclivity toward revenge) are
>rarely done by lone killers.  The usual killing is done by a gang of
>people driving up in a car and spraying bullets from semi- and
>fully-automatic weapons.  This tends to kill at least as many
>bystanders as targets.
>
>In Detroit, thanks to the mayor, there is little effective gun
>control.  However, the average adult citizen is not nearly so well
>armed as the average teenager.  
   Please define "effective gun control".  In New York City it is very 
difficult for citizens to legally obtain any kind of firearm.  Practically
impossible to get get a pistol.  This does not stop gangers from obtaining
firearms anymore than anti-drug laws stop them from getting cocaine.
BTW, can you name a single state were it is legal for someone under 21 to
own a pistol?  There are already laws against those well armed teenagers you
talk about.  An attempt should be made to enforce current laws rather than
toss laws on top of old ones.

>Many kids admit to carrying weapons,
>simply because if they do not, they are considered prey.  Metal
>detectors are often employed in schools, but vehemently opposed by the
>ACLU.
>
>Sorry for this long-winded digression.  The point here is basically
>trite: "know your opponent/enemy."  In MA and in life, we are often
>taught (unconciously - not explicitly) that bullys will fold if you
>show them that they are overmatched, but this is not necessarily the
>case - it depends on their background.  In many inner-city
>circumstances, not only are untrained (MA-wise) people a serious
>threat, but even children.
>
  An interesting tactic is being used in Oakland, CA against gangers.  It's 
called peer pressure.  There is a popular radio talk show that talks to 
gangers about values and not getting killed over petty shit.  It seems to be
doing more to combat gang violence than the Oakland PD (at least according
to the NPR story that covered it).

>I think that the most important use for MA is one I have seen in this
>and other recent threads: be aware and stay out of danger.
>
>P.S. Not to add to the paranoia exibited by the "Suspicions on both
>sides" thread :-).
>
>
>-- 
>Brian T. Murray				murray@gmr.com		
>GM Research Labs			lauren@caen.umich.edu
>
>My opinions are my own
>When -$2B <= profits <= $4B, you really don't care about individual opinions
>


-- 
eclipse@unixland.natick.ma.us  a.k.a. Mark Urbin  These Opinions are mine.  
"There are going to be situations where people are going to go without
assistance.  That's just the facts of life." ex-LA Chief of Police, Gates.
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Hips in aikido
Keywords: wristlocks
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:08:09 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <3481@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>	I want to move in that close because it prevents almost all possible
>striking attacks unless my opponent re-opens some distance, and because

tch tch tch

Wharfie, you need to see a Thorick Chow video. Or go find a good Taiji
practitioner to play with. (realizing of course that you qualified your
statement...) They can strike with power from this range.

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu