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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Quality of Life <spoilers>
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:41:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1emmp6INNoqo@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes...

>Data should be shot.  Who is in charge of the Enterprise, is there a chain
>of command or not?!  Riker's credibility as a commanding officer hs surely
>been lost.  What happens if every bridge officer in Starfleet starts disobeying
>orders like that?  Well of course it's only a TV show, but this constant
>Data Mutiny is wearing thin.

     While I agree for realism's sake Data's little rebellion should
     have been dealt with in a much more stringent manner, I don't
     agree it shouldn't have occured at all.  

     One of the great points of STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION is
     that, although there is a chain of command, every officer in
     that chain is allowed to have, and even EXPECTED to hav, their
     own opinion; their own take on whatever is going on.  

     Picard is always adamant on that point: he is always asking
     his staff for - and expecting to get - alternatives.  So what
     do one of these people do when someone's alternative is
     unacceptable to someone else in the command structure?  You
     make it known to your commanding officer, the commanding 
     officer makes a decision.

     End of story?  Why should it be, if you are sure you are right?
     Data knew he was right -- why should he back down?  Starfleet may
     be paramilitary, but it isn't paranazi.  Everyone's got a brain
     and no one is ever asked to turn it off.

>McFadden seems to be trying to modify the role of Dr. Crusher.  Playing poker
>with the boys? ;)

     I agree with that.  Or more precisely, "The role of Dr Crusher is
     being modified."  I don't konw how much of this has to do with
     McFadden but its clear the actress has grabbed hold of the changes
     and is doing everything she can with them.  I think we see this
     more during the scene in Beverly's office where she attempts to
     share her thoughts on life.  (Remember, in the set up to that
     scene, Worf has been teaching her to fight with one of his
     bat'leh... and he has gashed her arm).

     We've been seeing Beverly play poker for a couple of seasons
     now... so I don't agree this is in keeping with more recent
     changes.

>I found the episode unbelievable and totally unrealistic and it quickly
>deteriorated into another "Data takes over the ship" episode. (Is anyone
>keeping count of these?)
> 
>Mike

     Well, I think there have been two...  "Brothers" was the other.
     The difference is, in that episode (one of my favorites of
     the entire series), Data takes over the ship as a means to
     an end... and he was not in control of himself while doing
     it.  It was a homing device activated by Dr Soong.
From: myempire@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matt J. Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Official Dorm-Rec Review of "A Fistful of Data's" (spoilers)
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:12:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.BxsBDF.Gu6
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Nov14.210024.338@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>
>Obviously your empire is something of a dictatorship....
>
>May I say that your review was one of the least intelligent I've ever
>read, not to mention extraordinarly sexist?
>
>Steven.K.Manfred
>
   Aw, come on!  A little facism every now and then is good for you.
And what's facism without sexism.

   BTW, we're very pleased that a few people out there are taking our reviews
as seriously as we do.


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From: ruhtra@turing.toronto.edu (Arthur Tateishi)
Subject: Re: A Fistful of Datas best line
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 16 Nov 92 06:45:17 GMT

In article <92320.144712PAB7@psuvm.psu.edu> <PAB7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>  Patrick Stewart saying convincingly and with a straight face "I'm really not
>much of an actor."  I was on the floor.

Oooh, but it got better just seconds later. Maybe you missed it while
on the floor.
After Picard says, (probably not exact) "I'm much too busy to learn a part."
Crusher responds, "Don't worry! I'm not asking you to play a lead or
something."
Picard really looks quite shocked and crestfallen at that point!
This really had me roaring!

arthur

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From: fielden@spot.Colorado.EDU (j. a. fielden)
Subject: Sherrif Worf
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:54:41 GMT

 Well there were several things I really liked

The way Miss Annie turned into Data at the end
The expression on Worfs face
and the relief on Worf's face when the program ended.
I didn't know a Klingon could look so relieved. 

I bet Barclay got quite an earful from Worf  on 
his "help" with Alexander's program.
From: wchen@beirut.berkeley.edu (William Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rascals (Questions about technology)
Date: 21 Nov 1992 03:40:02 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
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So it seems they can change the age of a person via the transporter but 
treatment to repair Worf's broken spine was just in its "experimental"
stage?  This is stretch of credulity. 


Bill
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From: ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett)
Subject: Re: The name of the supply ship in "Fistfull.."
Organization: CIRES, University of Colorado
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:09:59

In article <74425@apple.apple.COM> slovick@Apple.COM (Linda Slovick) writes:


   In article <1992Nov15.011656.65300@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>,
   gcs4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gregory Carl Seibert) wrote: 
   >     Does anyone know the name of the supply ship in Fistfull of Data's.  It
   >     sounded like the 'Vigo'.  Wasn't that the name of the ship that was
   >     destroyed in Hero Worship?  Someone please help me.  I'm SOOOOOOOO
   >     confused.

   The closed captions had the ship's name spelled "Biko".

   Linda Slovick
   slovick@apple.com                                   "Tea, Earl Grey, hot" 

Stephen Biko was a black South African who won a Nobel prize
(literature) and in '77 was beaten to death by the Port Elizibeth
police.
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From: Ira_J._Seskin@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:29:35 EST
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review "The Quality of Life" SPOILERS!

>>IMHO she did quite well with that character. Maybe Bry was miscast as a
scientist, or maybe she just couldn't get used to all that technobabble...<<
 
Any professional who works seven days a week, for a number of years on a
project looses themselves to other points of view. This regularly occures in
our simple 20th century, let alone on an expeimental mining platform in the 24
th. Her role was well played out, a bright, but clearly burned out and
emotional professional. Thee was no "miscast", as you claim...  IMHO. We may
not feel good about the character, or her personal agenda...but  the "role"
was well played, AND well written. 
 
-Ira-

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From: dern@acs.bu.edu (Kevin Dern)
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Subject: Quality of Life Review - No Spoilers
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:23:25 GMT
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Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: dern@acs.bu.edu

I have never found it neccessary to post a review to r.a.s.c. because whatever
my comments may be, they are almost always expressed by others by the time I 
see the episode.  This time, I have to disagree with most of what I've read
about Quality of Life... even Timothy Lynch, who generally seems to know exactly what I'm thinking. 

It's true that the topic of this show was intriguing, and I liked the basic 
plot. The acting, however, was so poor on this episode that I could hardly
stay interested in what happened next. Except for Farallon (who consistantly
OVERacted throught the episode), most of the acting was dry, flat, and 
unconvincing. One of the conversations at the beginning ofhehe show involving
Data and someone else (I don't recall who) looked and sounded as if they were
reading their lines for the first time.

The scene where they performed the test on the Enterprise had several 
flaws. First, there had better be a very good reason to have a full 60 seconds
of dead time. There was no good reason here. Perhaps it was only the fault
of the music, but there was no suspense in this scene and those 60 seconds
seemed to last 3 minutes. Also, Giordi was watching his tricorder, and
announcing how music time was left. The camera shot during one of his 
announcements (30 seconds?) showed not his face, but the tricorder in his
hands by his knees. Can he see it from there? 

One other significant flaw - after the first or second commercial break, we
hear Data's voice over a shot of the Enterprise as he catched us up on the
plot - and he very obviously uses a contraction.  Doesn't anyone in the
production crew notice these things? 

Jonathan Frakes, only a mediocre actor at best, is not even a competent
director - not yet, anyway.


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From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Chain of Command" spoilers and other thoughts
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:16:42 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <1992Nov17.085334.206@sdg.dra.com> brian@sdg.dra.com writes:
  [much deleted]
>For anyone who might be wondering who Ronnie Cox is, he was the villian in 
>"Total Recall" and "Robocop", and was also the police chief in "Beverly Hills
>Cop" and also BHCII.

He was also the eccentric police [commissioner? chief?] in "Cop Rock".  He
had the hots for the mayor, played by Barbara Bosson, and daydreamed Wild
West fantasies of riding in on horseback and cleaning up the town.  He
does always seem to play someone highly placed...

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                           |  that doon with."
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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review - "A Fistful of Datas" SPOILERS!
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:09:20 GMT


Minor comment: The reason Troi's accent sounded so strange, was
that is was NOT a straight western accent.  Sirtis was doing the
voice of a person with a Betazed accent who was doing the voice 
of a person with a Western accent.  It wasn't SUPPOSED to be true
western, it was supposed to be Betazed-Western.  That was a bit
of the humor, IMHO.  :)

Loved that show.  "Computer!  Now!!!"

--
Chris Meadows // CHM173S@SMSVMA // CMEADOWS@NYX.CS.DU.EDU
   "If blood be the price of admiralty, then I've just bought me 
    a naval commission."  -- Corwin, SIGN OF THE UNICORN, Roger Zelazny
From: margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Doohan vs Shatner
Summary: conventions...
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:54:56 GMT

In article <6423.406.uupcb@the-matrix.com>, mark.lindsay@the-matrix.com (Mark Lindsay) writes:
> 
> |Well..  i went to see Doohan (again) Sunday at one of the worst cons ever...
> |and practically all he had to say was things blasting Shatner.  I too
> |laughed when he talked about the possibility of Star Trek VII... he said
> |as long as Shatner doesn't write it would be ok. ::grin::  He said a lot
> |of other things hinting about his distaste at Shatner... but he never came
> |right out and said "Bill"... he just said stuff like "you know who..." etc.
> |Also.. I noticed that Doohan was rather caught up in himself that evening...
> 
> I noticed that Doohan seemed rather stuck on himself when he was here
> in Birmingham this summer.  He felt that he had gotten the shaft about
> salaries compared to Shatner & Nimoy. He loved to make backhanded
> remarks against Shatner.  Doohan struck me as a bitter and jealous
> man.
> 
> I have seen Nichols, Nimoy and Spiner also in the last year.  They
> all seemed very gracious to the fans about what the fans had done
> for them.  Doohan seemed like he was favoring US with his acting,
> and that we should be thanking him for all the money he gets.

I have seen Nichols by herself, and then a group (coming on stage seperately)
at a con in L.A.  I liked Doohan, Shatner, Lenard, Sirtis (she chewed a
guy out for walking out, turns out his beeper had gone off meaning his
wife was in labor)...  I didn't not care for Nichols "singing" (please
note this connotation, she really hurt my ears) or Koenig.

My friend in Phoenix saw Patrick Stewart, and was quite enthralled by
him.  I forgot to add liking Jonathan Frakes at that con in L.A.  He
was very funny, very entertaining.

Koenig seems like a whiney, self-centered brat.  Nichols seemed quite
impressed by herself, and her singing.  A friend and I stood in line for
nearly two hours to get an autograph of Nichols (it was our first convention,
and we were "innocent").  They closed the doors in front us.  Time was
up, that was it.

I think a lot has to do with what's going on in their life, what their
real personality is like, how they handle their fame, etc...  It must
be difficult to go to these conventions, handle all these questions -most
of which are stupid.  Well, I guess they cry all the way to the bank, eh?

Did I mention that Nichelle Nichols singing hurt my ears?  I cringe at
the memory...


margaret@cs.arizona.edu





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From: jes2x@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (John Sommerville)
Subject: Re: Fistful of Datas is anything but like "Fistful of Dollars"
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:15:46 GMT

In article <1e9p5mINN2ua@mozz.unh.edu> R_BURNS@unhh.unh.edu (Robert   Burns) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>	On the whole, 'Fistful of Datas' does a minor disservice to Leone's
>masterpiece, ironically an adaption of a Japanese samurai movie, 'Fistful of
>Dollars', in that it does not even touch the main theme of 'Fistful of Dollars',
>or any Leone western, which is that of everything is considered in threes, of
>which Eastwood refers to when he explains his situation in 'Fistful of Dollars',
>where I believe he says (tell me if this is wrong):

I just want to point out that the Japanese samurai movie was actually titled
"Yojimbo" (The Bodyguard).  Just saw it the other day coincidentally.  Great
film.
[more stuff deleted]
>						-R. J. Burns
>
>----    "This train WILL get off at Tucumcari."
>					-Col. Douglas Mortimer,
>					  played by Lee Van Cleef
>					  in 'For a Few Dollars More'.
Great quote!

--
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From: rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers)
Subject: Re: Where are the VULCANS on TNG ???
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:59:27 GMT
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Reply-To: rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <1992Nov12.210139.4894@ll.mit.edu> plward@ll.mit.edu (paula l ward) writes:
>
>just wondering...
>
>Where are the Vulcans on ST:TNG? I've just started watching it recently
>and I've only seen one. (And HE was paunchy(sp?), overweight and generally
>not very dignified for a being of such a noble race.) I liked Spock
>very much in TOS but they don't even have a science station now.

   Actually, there are *two* science stations, Science I and Science II.
One of them is to the left of Engineering station behind the horseshoe,
I'm not sure where the other is.  If you look closely, you can see the
names of the stations in the upper left hand corner (Data often uses
the science stations).

>I've picked up some references to an episode called 'Unification'. Is Spock
>in this? Does anyone know why we don't see Vulcans anymore? 
>
   Unification is a two parter.  You can skip the first part if you just
want to see Spock :-).


Sincerely,
Ryan Rogers
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From: mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen)
Subject: Re: Fist full of data's force field question
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 02:23:26 GMT

I'd have to watch the episode again, but wasn't the force field
limited to operating for a total of 15 seconds and that's it?
Meaning, it would only have a one-time use?

Mike
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From: varhus@minuet.seas.upenn.edu (Kristofor A Varhus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Teleporter Question
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:42:02 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1edd7vINNb7p@transfer.stratus.com> det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:
|>In article <92322.100541JSP6@psuvm.psu.edu> JSP6@psuvm.psu.edu (Jeffrey S. Payne) writes:
|>>What bugs me is when someone gets hurt, and the med teams have to *run* from
|>>the other side of the ship to help, and then put them on a stretcher to get
|>>them to sickbay.  I think they should transport the injured direct to
|>>sickbay, where there are lots of doctors, equipment, etc...Am I expecting
|>>too much?
|>
|>I have a couple of ideas on this - no surprise, huh? ;)
|>
|>[deleted]
|>
|>Also, I suspect that the medical staff usually prefers to evaluate and
|>apply first aid at the injury site, for the same reason EMT workers
|>don't want to move a victim until he or she has been checked over
|>and stabilized.  After all, the victim may not be lying straight out
|>on a flat surface, lined up correctly for the diagnostic bed (does the
|>transporter rotate bodies to align them a particular way?).
|>
|>-- 
|>det@phlan.sw.stratus.com   |  "Laddie, you'll be needin' something to wash
|>                           |  that doon with."

Sure, they want to evaluate the victim's condition on site, but why isn't
the medical staff beamed directly there?

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From: runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan)
Subject: Re: Rascals (Questions about technology)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:12:57 GMT
Organization: HP, Cupertino, CA, USA
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William Chen (wchen@beirut.berkeley.edu) wrote:
>So it seems they can change the age of a person via the transporter but 
>treatment to repair Worf's broken spine was just in its "experimental"
>stage?  ...

From the episodes you refer to, you should remember that changing the
age of the crew via the transporter was originally an accident, caused
by interaction with a little known field of force.  The process to
revert the age to `normal' was based on records and transporter traces,
and was considered risky.

The repair of Worf's broken spine was a complete spine replacement, using
a `grown' one (probably a clone, though I don't remember if that was
mentioned), which was used to replace the spine, not fix it in place.
A complete spine replacement has several problems with it, not the least
of which is reconnected all the various nerves that attach to the
spine (which happens even in a Klingon, I'll bet).

The two "technologies" are totally different and were explained as such
in the episodes you refered to.

Mark Runyan  {r.a.s. random rationalizer}
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From: runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan)
Subject: Re: Quality of Life <spoilers>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:02:15 GMT
Organization: HP, Cupertino, CA, USA
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Questions sighted!

Michael Lerner (as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
>Who is in charge of the Enterprise, is there a chain
>of command or not?!  

  Captain Picard commands the Enterprise for Starfleet, a part of the
  United Federation of Planets.  Commander Riker is First officer, and
  Data is second officer.  As has been indicated from time to time,
  Starfleet is not necessarily a military organization.  While mutiny is
  still a major offense, disagreement with an order to the point of
  disobeying it may still be done within Starfleet, though the reason
  must be exceptional (precedents of both good and bad reasons are
  include Picard's disobeying the order to turn Data over to be
  disassembled and another Captain disobeying an order and attacking
  Carrdassians).

>What happens if every bridge officer in Starfleet starts disobeying
>orders like that?  

The effectiveness of Starfleet would be reduced, or there would be
a show with an unusual premise.  Of course, the approach was done
in "Conspiracy" to a point.

>McFadden seems to be trying to modify the role of Dr. Crusher.  Playing poker
>with the boys? 

She was shown as playing poker in "Cause and Effect".  We have also seen
Troi playing poker.  Poker, within ST:TNG, has not been limited to only
males.

>Where was Spot in the scene where Data was examining the R2D2 thing?  

Probably doing cat things.  Data and the Exo-comp had been in his room
for a bit before that scene started, since the top was off and the
cable was plugged in.  Spot probably tired of it fairly quickly, especially
if Data was shoo'ing the li'l varmit away. 

 New Question:  How do you think Data deals with Spot's shedding?

Mark Runyan  {r.a.s. random rationalizer}
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