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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Imzadi" and "Man of The People"
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:44:17 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <92285.162100LEN101@psuvm.psu.edu> LEN101@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>While watching the episode "MofTP" I thought I heard Troi and Riker
>refer to each other as Imzadi I know by reading the jacket of the book
>that this is a name they have for each other special conotations etc.

>My question is has this been established in other episodes or just in
>the book and drawn into this episode.  In case you missed it, it was
>just before she scratched him.

It was in "Skin of Evil".

When Tar-Beast-From-Hell drags Riker into the tar pit with him, Troi
calls out "Imzadi!"

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From: sll28@cc.usu.edu (Lorna Payne)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Sybok....Vulcan Defense Attorney...
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:44:50 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Oct9.002854.4017@pro-freedom.cts.com>, pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes:
> Just for those who are interested, and since no one else seems to have
> posted this, I was watching "Law and Order" (great show!) and the defense
> attorney was real familiar, for some unknown reason.....
> 
> I kept picturing the actor as a Romulan....romulan...old romulan....and it
> finally clicked! It was none other than Lawrance Luckenbill (sp?) who
> played Spock's half-brother Sybok in Trek V.....

Who?  Trek V?  What Trek V?  :-)



Actually, I was watching the first little while of that, too, and I caught
Mr. Luckinbill's credit.  I didn't think he looked anything like he
did as Sybok.
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From: jpw@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Realm of Fear: space worms ???
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:25:44 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA

>>Could someone please explain to me why the people stuck in
>>the transporter looked like those sand worms from Dune, and
>>how it was so easy and "should've known that" obvious to see
>>the connection afterwards?  To me, it still makes no sense.
>
>Yeah:  Barclay still looked like Barclay, but these people all looked
>like mutated intestinal parasites!  Also, how come they told Barclay
>that he couldn't stay dematerialized for more than 30-40 seconds or
>they would lose his signal, but they were able to recover the Yosemite's
>crew members after at least 3-4 DAYS!  For that matter, if you're
>disassembled at the molecular level, how is it possible to "experience"
>anything during transport (much less grab things!)?  And, before I'm
>finished, who was operating the transporter when the 4 Yosemite crew
>members beamed out?
>

OK... some more questions:

To do a transporter link, they must have used the prefix codes in order
to activate the transporters on the other ship. We can assume that they did 
this. No big problem.

But since the purpose was to see what happened to the crew, and they couldn't
scan well, why not just ACTIVATE THEIR VIEWSCREEN like they have in the past?

Bandwidth considerations? I dont think so. Video would logically occupy less
BW than a transporter signal.

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From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Dread of Scotty / Non-spoiler
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:28:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: sarah.1992Oct14.222851.9442
Organization: State University of New York at Albany

In article <1992Oct14.202725.9562@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen) writes:
>I beg to differ.  Yes, for the most part the books are very good and
>usually are tough to put down (case in point: Final Frontier, Kobyahi
>Maru, etc.).  But my experience with novelizations of episodes is not a
>good one.  Granted, I have only read Unification, but it was bad
>enough to make me think that writing a book based on a television
>episode has got to be harder than writing an original story from
>scratch.  Writing around an episode the writer is limited to what
>happens in the episode (yes, they can add filler, but for the most
>part it's limiting).  I found Unification to be lacking probably for
>this reason.  The other problem was that the book was probably written
>before filming and so things had changed, making some inconsistencies
>even more glaring because I felt the book was so poorly written.

I agree that the novelization of Unification was pretty bad but I think
this was more a problem with the writer than anything else.  Since
novelizations are able to put more description and explanation into 
things, they usually leave one's (well they leave my) curiosity about
the little things more satisfied (like how DID they get those clothes
in TA II???)

I don't know how many will agree with me but I even enjoyed the novelization
of the movie that wasn't (thats STV:The Foolish Folly).  It brought things
just this side of barely plausible.

Yasmin

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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: --<Relics>-- *SPOILERS*
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:49:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.080901.10490@uoft02.utoledo.edu> mneylon@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Michael Neylon) writes:
(very minor spoilers... but nothing you haven't seen in last week's 
commercials.)


>First off, the writters did a good 'avoidness' of consistancy, making the
>accident well after the TOS years (including VI)....also, the transporter 
>thing did seem very possible (is that why they put the Barkley episode 
>in the before this? hhmmmmm).  

Actually, they cut it very close to STVI:

TNG season 1 ended in 2364 (as stated in "THE NEUTRAL ZONE")
so TNG season 6 should be late 2368/early '69 (assuming one season==one
year.)
75 years before that is 2294, which is when Captain Scott disappeared.

ST4:TVH happened in 2286 (canon, from the new Tech Manual).
The novelization of ST6:TUC said it was ten years later... clearly this
is wrong, because Scotty was already gone by then.
Sulu was Captain of the Excelsior for 3 years before TUC, putting TUC in
2289 or later.

TUC happened between 2289 and 2294.  However, we can discard the lower
end of the range because I don't think Sulu would have been offered a
promotion in 2286, so soon after he stole a starship.  So TUC was most
likely near the end of that range, meaning Captain Scott remained in the
23rd century for a maximum of two years after ST6.

For now, I'll assume that Scotty was lost immediately after TUC, which
happened in 2294.  TUC repeatedly stated that the senior officers of the
E were retiring, and Scott was headed toward his retirement when he hit
the Dyson Sphere.  So unless he's in ST7, it seems likely that he was
lost shortly after ST6.
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From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: No more "Opinionated Comments"
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:56:46 GMT

Because of the low quality of the recent episodes and the even lower
quality of the *promisings* of upcoming episodes, I am dropping
ST:TNG from my viewing schedule effective immediately. I will not be 
reviewing (or watching) "Relics", nor will there be any further episode 
reviews from this site.


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From: ramid@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rudy Amid)
Subject: ack!! (Re: Paramount Press Release - #233: Rascals)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 05:29:19 GMT

brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:

>	STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION: A bizarre transporter mishap transform
>	Picard and three other staff members into children just as Ferengis
>	invade and disable the ship.

  OH MY GAWD!! Another transporter accident!

  HELLO?  Donald Moore?  GET OFF THIS TRANSPORTER TOPIC ALREADY!!

*sigh*   Season 6 -- may this be the *last* ST:TNG.  I'm beginning to hate it.

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From: rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE)
Subject: Re: Beta-Zoid Plexing
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:01:19 GMT

In article <BvzDJt.9D5@spock.dis.cccd.edu> markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Julie Bixby) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.051440.27876@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct5.205120.13113@wuecl.wustl.edu> ac1@cec2.wustl.edu (Anuj Chandra) writes:
>>>Plexing is one of weirdest pseduo science ever on ST:NG. Tapping on
>>>the artery behind the cortoid (?) nerve in the neck seems to INSTANTANEOUSLY
>>>release endorphins that INSANTANEOUSLY has an  effect in calming Barclay.
>>>Barcllay looks ridiculous when he taps that stupid nerve.
>>>
>>>Why shoould betazoid plexing work on a human?
>>>
>>
>>
>>Looks like she fooled you too. It was a placebo.  It didn't have any 
>>real effect at all, except to convince him it was working.  Notice
>>how fast he felt confident after he started going it?  
>
>Actually, looks like Barkley fooled *you*. Obviously he was rushing to say
>it worked just so he could leave Troi's office ASAP.
>

Well then why was he "plexing" when he was alone in his quarters
trying to sleep?

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From: rbeck@mordordseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Subject: Re: nudity on trek
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 20:27:15 GMT

In article <rawdon.718480766@cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
|> In <67315@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
|> >There actually has been nudity to some degree on Trek.  There was Picard
|> >painting a nude model; then there was Q's au natural appearance on the
|> >bridge.  And in "Cost of Living," there was a nude dancer.
|> 
|> As I recall, there was more than a nude *dancer* in "Cost Of Living". :-)
|> 
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|> 
|> "If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, and only one person were of the
|> contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one
|> person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."
|>                                                       -John Stuart Mill
Don't forget Lwxona (sp?) walking in on her wedding nude too!  Ya know,
the episode everyone hates with Lwxona (sp) and Alexander and the mud
baths.  Still, we never did see Troi in her "wedding suit".
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: spoiler review, man o
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:52:52 EST

>On the bright side, the previews for Relics looks like the most promising
>episode in a very long time.

Looked to me like it had CHEESE written all over it!  Ok, ok, the
previews for Relics has STARFIELDS all over it...  :-)


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From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Re: Guinan and her secrets
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:10:47 GMT

Mark Worrell (markw@chusuk) wrote:
: : Guinan only told Picard that he had to go with the away team so that the past
: : would not change, otherwise history would have been altered.
: : 
: I dont think I have seen anybody talk about this yet. She is a member of
: some long lived species, right? What was Guinan doing on Earth in the first
: place?

Well considering her people were attacked and nearly destroyed 500 years
before her visit to San Francisco (about 1000 years before "Q-Who") its
possible she is trying to fill her time learning about other species.

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From: springer_jerry@jpmorgan.com (Jerry Springer - FIMS Sys Adm)
Subject: Ross Perot
Organization: J.P. Morgan Securities, Inc.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:25:48 GMT

Has anybody noted the facial similarities between Ross
Perot and a Ferengui?






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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: episode q-me is no mo
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:19:23 EST

 -=> On 10-15-92  09:49, Vidiot babbled to All saying: <=-

 Vi> Now that I have your attention....


 Vi> Trivia question....

 Vi> Name the only other ST:TNG episode to have the title changed AFTER it
 Vi> was published in an official promotion department schedule.  What was
 Vi> the first title and what was the new title?

I'm taking a shot in the dark here...  Could it have been Time Squared
which was originally Time to the Second?  Or perhaps Up the Long
Ladder which was orignally Send in the Clones?


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From: DonD@cup.portal.com (Don Robert DeCosta)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Grey Hair
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 21:26:16 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
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  <ratner.718501708@ficus.cs.ucla.edu> <1992Oct08.035758.2983@eng.umd.edu>
  <1992Oct8.050223.671@leland.Stanford.EDU>

>Is it just me or is there something very odd about the idea that
>neurotransmitter activity can make your hair grey?
>
>Firestar
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Didn't Barbara Bush's hair turn premature grey due to family stress? (heard
that in the 1988 campaign)

And there's Leland Palmer's hair after Laura's death, he went grey overnight
from the pain of ill thoughts.

I think the whole episode existed purely to allow ST:TNG's FX department to
use their new Morphing Software and instantly bring Troi back to her youthful
vigor (now *that* I found unbelievable)

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From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Dreadnaught & Battlestation enjoyers unite..
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:11:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Oct15.221122.4747
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <1992Oct15.165806.20879@sarah.albany.edu>
ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj) writes:

>In article <1992Oct15.033301.5733@leland.Stanford.EDU> firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith) writes:
>>>Just as bad as "Dreadnought!".  It even had the same plot.
>>
>>Umm, gosh .... I really really really liked Dreadnaught and Battlestations and
>>the character of Piper ... gee ...
>
>Really???  You mean I'm not the only one who actually enjoyed those books?
>With all the hostility I didn't even bother trying to mention that I liked
>them.
>
>Yasmin
>
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Geeze...Maybe we should form a support group ? 8-)  I liked them too.
Granted, they were a but surpy, but certinaly (sp?) a lot better than some
of the crap that has been published lately....

Dave
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From: davidm@consilium.com (David S. Masterson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER]
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:36:38 GMT
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>>>>> On 5 Oct 92 09:50:21 GMT, dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) said:

> They obviously had a NEED for Barclay to give him an order, and they hardly
> could have let that happen with LT O'brien visibly outranking Barclay...
> BUT, as we have seen this season, the "pip department" has suddenly run
> totally amok!  Characters left and right are having their pips screwed up.

Who else had their pips messed up *this* season?  I think the pips for almost
all the characters have been screwed up from time to time since the very
beginning of the show.  For instance, I haven't seen good explanations of:

1. Troi's rank (the one un'pip'ped officer!).
2. Lt. J.G. Worf's promotion to Lt.
3. Lt. J.G. La Forge's promotion to Lt. Cmdr.
4. Wesley Crusher's demotion to Cadet.
5. O'Brien's demotion to sub-Ensign.
6. Distinguishing non-coms from officers or non-com ranks.

The only rank changes that have made sense are:

1. Riker's demotion back to Cmdr. (why he took it, though...).
2. Lt. Cmdr Crusher's promotion to Cmdr. after Starfleet tour.
3. Wesley Crusher's promotion to full Ensign by Picard.

>>william@cs.arizona.edu (William E. Hertling) writes:
> >O'Brien was referred to as a Lieutenant during the first and second season,
> >whenever he appeared on the show.  When he became a regularly appearing 
> >crew member, his rank "dropped" to Chief Petty Officer. 

> Phew, that's some imagination!  :->   What causes someone's rank to "drop"
> magically like that?   He became a "regular" semi-regular in the *second*
> season, and up until "Realm" his rank was always exactly the same: LT.

The same magic that did the above changes?

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