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From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Subject: Dial in line stuck on 'busy'
Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Biological Sciences.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:06:20 GMT


     We are having a problem with one of our dial in lines. When you call
it up, it tells you that the line is busy. But apparently it is not. There
is a getty process running, but it seems to be restarting every minute or
so.
    We don't really have a unix expert here, so we are not sure where to
begin to look. Any help will be appreciated. Does anyone know what could
be causing this? Does it look like a hardware or a software problem? We have
another dial-in line that does work, so the problem is probably not with
the campus phone service (but maybe it is, what do I know?).

   Like I said, any suggestions will be very welcome.

DanZ

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: mjo@ef2007.efhd.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Prevent user from editing /etc/passwd
X-Disclaimer: Not an official spokesperson for Ford OPEO
Reply-To: Mike O'Connor <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
Organization: International Affairs, Overseas Engineering, "Fordz"
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:43:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.131329.22491@cpp.ob.open.de>
schweik@cpp.ob.open.de (Martin Schweikert) writes:

:I have a user on my SVR3 machine who knows - and must know :-( - the
:root password.

Why must he know the root password?  

:I tried to find a method to prevent him from editing /etc/passwd. It's
:quite difficult.

This is a social administrative issue, not a technical issue.  If he's
not supposed to be editing /etc/passwd and he is, talk to him -- get
his side of the story.  If that fails, talk to his boss.

:Because I know he uses vi, I tried to replace /usr/bin/vi by a shell
:script that tests if one of its parameters is *passwd. If so,

Do you have "vipw" on your system?  Editing the system passwd without
locking seems bad, here.  

:I would like to keep things as simple as possible ...

Kludging system tools for a particular user is NOT elegant, simple,
fun, or even fattening.  

						...Mike

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From: tommy@homxb.att.com (Tom Reingold)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Where can I find a "fingerd" that fingers the person back?
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:33:36 GMT
Reply-To: tommy@homxb.att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ

I have modified fingerd so that it fingers back.  It writes to a log
file the IP address the finger came from, the person fingered (if any)
and the date.  The finger-backs create (or append to) a file named by
the IP address, so I have a log for each host that fingers my site.

I am willing to share my changes but only if I can get a copy of
fingerd that is truly free.  That is to say I don't want to share my
exact copy because my source code license may not apply to everyone
on the net.  If someone can point me to a FREE copy of fingerd, I will
apply my patches and make them available to the curious.

Oh, in case you are curious, I keep a lock for each host for a few
minutes.  If there is a lock on a host, I do not finger it back.
This prevents endless loops.
-- 
Tom Reingold
AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel, NJ
tommy@homxb.att.com
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: spencer@stroke.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: Re: Where can I find a "fingerd" that fingers the person back?
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Live Organ Transplants
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:25:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.210137.24157@csus.edu>, tching@target.water.ca.gov (Tracy Ching <SysAdmin>) writes:
>	I want to know who is "finger"ing me (no jokes please...)
>and I want it to keep a log.

AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

From the frequency with which similar questions arise, I would guess
that no such fingerd has been written, but if you write one, I suggest
you definitely post it because there seem to be a lot of people who
would like to have it (I'm not one of them though)

----------- The opinions expressed in this article are solely mine. -----------
<Insert lame attempt at disclaimer humor>
sss/PU'94 Dept of CS (spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu)/JvNCnet (spencer@jvnc.net)
"Mahwage.  Mahwage, is what bwings us, too-gethah, too-dahy."

Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.ultrix
From: mrl@uai.com (Mark R. Ludwig)
Subject: Re: NIS problem between ultrix and risc os
Organization: Universal Analytics, Inc., Torrance (LA), CA
	<1992Jun10.164119.500@idiws1.idi.battelle.org>
	<BpwFzH.D3o@control.spies.com>
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:10:26

In article <BpwFzH.D3o@control.spies.com> wisner@control.spies.com (Bill Wisner) writes:

   Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.ultrix
   Date: 15 Jun 92 18:14:04 GMT

   Free advice for Sun administrators: ifconfig xx0 broadcast xxx.xxx.xxx.255

Do you know if it's possible to do this on SunOS 3.2?  (Hint:
ifconfig(8) does _not_ have a broadcast option.)  I'm starting to get
worried that I can't change it to .255, and am concerned that the more
time passes, the more likely that this will cause grief.$$
-- 
INET: mrl@uai.com      BANG: uunet!uaisun4!mrl      ICBM: USA; Lower Left Coast
  "You can get a crowd to clap at a phone number, if the inflection is right."
   -- Dave Ross
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon)
Subject: Re: Prevent user from editing /etc/passwd
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:39:35 GMT

In <1992Aug17.131329.22491@cpp.ob.open.de> schweik@cpp.ob.open.de (Martin Schweikert) writes:

>Because I know he uses vi, I tried to replace /usr/bin/vi by a shell
>script that tests if one of its parameters is *passwd. If so,
>it would write a message to my terminal, send me mail, and make a copy
>of /etc/passwd before it would invoke the original vi. Exactly here is
>the problem: vi (I don't know much about it :-) seems to check under
>what name it was invoked. And in my replacement script I invoked it
>with "vi.orig". So vi finds out it wasn't invoked as vi, vedit, ... and
>it seems that ex gets executed (I know perfectly nothing about ex).

Simply move the real vi to a different directory, then put
/usr/hidden.dir/vi in your shell script when it comes time to invoke
the editor.

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From: msweetes@axion.bt.co.uk (Michael Sweet-Escott)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Help: Unix performance (config) info. needed
Keywords: Unix Performance Multi-Processing Configuration
Date: 19 Aug 92 10:14:26 GMT
Reply-To: msweetes@axion.bt.co.uk (Michael Sweet-Escott)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


	I am looking for any books, articles or ftp sites which
	contain details relating to Systems performance tuning,
	kernel configuration and muti-processors architectures 
        within Unix System V systems environment.

        So far, I've only found the following 2 books :
	----------------------------------------------------------
        Sys. Performance Tuning - by Mike Loukides
                published by: O'Reilly & Associates,Inc
(1991).
		ISBN 0-937175-60-9
	
	Managing NFS and NIS - by Hal Stern
		published by: O'Reilly & Associates,Inc (1991).
		ISBN 0-937175-75-7
	---------------------------------------------------------

	*I will post a summary if I recieve a lot of replies*

        Can Anyone Help?, Thanks, in advance.
			         	Michael Escott
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: wzwei@eule (Wolfgang Zweimueller)
Subject: Need help with routing!
Organization: University of Salzburg
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:19:44 GMT


Big problem with routing on a Convex C210.

I have installed a SLIP connection from a PC (running MS-DOS 5.0 and
Sun's PC-NFS Vers. 3.5) to a Convex machine running a BSD derived
Convex OS (Version 9.1.0.0.4) over a null modem cable.
There is also a DEC-Station 5000/200 running Ultrix connected to
the Convex via Ethernet. The SLIP connection works fine, but routing
from the the serial line to other hosts is not done by the Convex!!!!

The addresses are as follows:

  Machine	Name		Address		Comment
  Convex	hgrcvx		141.201.10.2	ethernet
  Convex	slip_gate	141.201.50.20   serial line
  DECStation    hgrds5		141.201.10.3	ethernet
  PC		pc_slip		141.201.50.21   serial line

The names hgrcvx, hgrds5, slip_gate, pc_slip and their addresses are
noted in every's machine /etc/hosts.
NIS is NOT running on any machine!

From the PC the only reachable host is hgrcvx.
From the Convex every machine is reachable (checked by ping, telnet, etc.).

My previous trials were running and stopping the routed daemon on the Convex,
making static and dynamic routing tables.
I also "said" to PC-NFS that there is a route from pc_slip to hgrds5
using hgrcvx as a gateway.


Does anybody know what my mistake(s) is(are) or where the problem is?
Please send mail to me or post it in this newsgroup.

Thanks in advance.

 +-----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+
 |  Wolfgang Zweimueller                   | Institute for Computer Science  |
 |                                         | University of Salzburg, Austria |
 +-----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+
 |  Email: zwmu@hgrcvx.tcs.cosy.sbg.ac.at  |                                 |
 |         wzwei@eule.cosy.sbg.ac.at       |                                 |
 +-----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+
From: cedman@714-725-3165.nts.uci.edu (Carl Edman)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: Where can I find a "fingerd" that fingers the person back?
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:49:15 GMT
Reply-To: cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman)
Distribution: usa

Tracy Ching <SysAdmin> writes
> One comment - internally finger must work for other employees to see. 
> I do have a question regarding that.  Does anyone in net-land remotely
> agree that the finger is a possible security hole for a well seasoned
> unix guru?  (that which I am obviously not and admit it).

Finger a security hole ? How should that work ? Naw, that could never happen.  
Finger is as secure UNIX in general. :-)

	Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: Prevent user from editing /etc/passwd
Originator: fortony@murphy
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:42:45 GMT

schweik@cpp.ob.open.de (Martin Schweikert) writes:

>Because I know he uses vi, I tried to replace /usr/bin/vi by a shell
>script that tests if one of its parameters is *passwd. If so,
>it would write a message to my terminal, send me mail, and make a copy
>of /etc/passwd before it would invoke the original vi. Exactly here is
>the problem: vi (I don't know much about it :-) seems to check under
>what name it was invoked. And in my replacement script I invoked it
>with "vi.orig". So vi finds out it wasn't invoked as vi, vedit, ... and
>it seems that ex gets executed (I know perfectly nothing about ex).

Why don't you just keep a copy of /etc/passwd around and periodically
check for changes?  If the extent of your mistrust of this person with
root is high enough that you're scared of him, change his shell to
/bin/goodnightirene and have him come talk it over with you in person.
-- 
a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: reh@wam.umd.edu (Huddleston)
Subject: Re: Where can I find a "fingerd" that fingers the person back?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:01:38 GMT


It seems to me that, if someone at a "secure" government net site wants to 
disable the local finger daemon, the well-known port number for that process
could be bound to a null process.  That makes a lot more sense that ranting
in paranoid fashion about wanting to know exactly who looked up fairly 
unimportant information on a user from across the Internet.  Yes, the word
"ranting" is probably a little strong, but fingering someone is pretty much 
an innocent act.  Do you also regret that there's no mechanism for knowing
who looks up your name in the phone book?

-- 
Richard Huddleston  reh@wam.umd.edu    | "It is the greatest possible victory
These are my personal opinions.        |  to be, to continue to be, and to
                                       |  have been in a universe that seems
NeXTSTEP is better: Boycott Microsoft  |  indifferent to us."  Norbert Wiener
From: jba@ruc.dk (Jan Bruun Andersen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: Help Needed: How to send mail to "e
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:51:29 GMT
Organization: Roskilde Universitetscenter, Danmark

tgtcmv@rwa.urc.tue.nl (Martien Verbruggen) writes:

>>In article <1992Jul16.224234.13551@cco.caltech.edu> jafl@cco.caltech.edu (John Lindal) writes:
>>>Does anyone know how to send mail to everyone on a particular system
>>>without having to specify all the user names?
>>>
>>>Please respond by e-mail to: jafl@cco.caltech.edu
>>>
>>>P.S. I'm trying to save myself some time every time the system fills up.
>>>     When it's full, I have to mail everybody to get them to clean up.
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>

>I wrote a few
>scripts, that count used space per user, and takes appropriate actions.
>Spacegripe only looks for full file systems, it sometimes is necessary to
>just mail all users at a time about something important concerning the system.
>It then is handy to have a script that outputs all current user names, for
>example by reading the passwd file.

I have also written/modified a spacegripe-script and a mailall-script.
Mail me if you want a copy.

>Martien Verbruggen.
>-- 
>Martien Verbruggen (tgtcmv@chem.tue.nl)	| Give every man thine ear,
>					| but few thy voice.
>Eindhoven University of technology	|                      - Shakespeare
>Department of Chemical Engineering	|===================================
-- 
Jan B. Andersen <jba@dat.ruc.dk>             ("DENMARK does it with DYNAMITE!")
From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: Prevent user from editing /etc/passwd
Date: 20 Aug 1992 16:58:47 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <21390@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.131329.22491@cpp.ob.open.de> schweik@cpp.ob.open.de (Martin Schweikert) writes:
>>I have a user on my SVR3 machine who knows - and must know :-( - the
>>root password.
>
>If you know who it is, turn off their account.  This will give you
>the time to figure out how they are doing it later.

I interpreted the "and must know" to mean that this user is authorized to
know the root password.  If the user is authorized to use the root
password, that implies that he's supposed to have an account.  Disabling
his account it probably not an option.

The question I have is why would someone who can't be trusted not to edit
the passwd file be authorized to have the root password.  If he needs to be
able to do a few things that require superuser access, maybe you need
something like "sudo", which permits you to give him a specific set of
commands that run with root privileges.

>>I tried to find a method to prevent him from editing /etc/passwd. It's
>>quite difficult.
>
>chmod a-w /etc/passwd

That won't work.  Write access isn't checked when you're the superuser.
-- 
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

barmar@think.com          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
From: ccfj@hippo.ru.ac.za (F. Jacot Guillarmod)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: SCO TCP/IP troubles
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:25:42 GMT
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa

In <DEAN.92Aug19122219@world.std.com> dean@world.std.com (Dean S Banfield) writes:

>We're enjoying SCO UNIX V R3.2.2, but when we run the name server daemon 
>(named) our TCP/IP telnet access has slowed markedly.  It takes over 1 minute
>to receive the login prompt from the system for a TCP/IP connection.  Removing
>the name server speeds us back up again.

>Any configuration changes which can be suggested to improve this problem.

Have you set up the file /etc/resolv.conf to point at your local
nameserver?  In theory, you don't really need it for DNS to work
"properly", but in practice setting this up has cured problems on some
of our machines that sound remarkably similar to what you're
experiencing.

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: tching@target.water.ca.gov (Tracy Ching <SysAdmin>)
Subject: Where can I find a "fingerd" that fingers the person back?
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:01:37 GMT

	I want to know who is "finger"ing me (no jokes please...)
and I want it to keep a log.  Also, when I do a finger to the Suns
here from the outside world, the .plan and .profile don't show.
They only show in this dep't.  Thanks..
tching@water.ca.gov
From: del+@CMU.EDU (Daniel Edward Lovinger)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: What is AFS? (as regards Depot)
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:51:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.seYfFB200WD54C3etU
Distribution: comp
Organization: Software Development, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

dave@pipi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (David Wuertele) writes:
> In any case, Depot compiled fine when I commented out the AFS lines, but I
> haven't used it yet---Do I really need AFS?

	No. While depot was built on top of a system using AFS and
contains some AFS specific speedups, you do not need AFS to make use
of it. It is true that a software release system built around depot is
greatly enhanced with AFS (as are most administrative tasks), but that
doesn't limit it's functionality.

					dan
					cmu comp services
					del+@cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: ward@math.psu.edu (Brian Ward)
Subject: Re: Where can I find a "fingerd" that fingers the person back?
Organization: The Society for Green Traffic Lights
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:23:01 GMT

rouilj@cs.umb.edu (John P. Rouillard) writes:
|Yes, but any hacker with a brain knows about:
|
|  rsh <somehost where I am not logged on> finger @host.to.hack
|
|A reverse finger returns nothing useful in this case, although an
|rfc931 returns the correct info.

Hey, I just thought of something... You know, if one uses finger indirection,
in other words, this: I used to be unable to reach world.std.com from psu
for (!$#@#@!!!) reasons, but, I could do this:

!8 [lagrange]% f kibo@world.std.com@xanth.cs.odu.edu
[xanth.cs.odu.edu]
[world.std.com]
world -- The World -- Public Access UNIX -- SUN 4/280 SUNOS 4.0.3
  2:15am  up 5 days,  1:36,  24 users,  load average: 13.36, 12.69, 12.79

kibo     . James "Kibo" Parry      trn         08  dialup 739-WRLD
  [1546,1546]  </users/kibo>;  Group: kibo
  Groups: compilers kibo

  kibo has new mail as of Wed 19-Aug-92 1:58AM
  last read Wed 19-Aug-92 1:57AM

  Plan: (last modified Sat 6-Apr-91 10:18PM)
        "Whoever dies with the most fonts, wins."

!9 [lagrange]%

anyway, my point. if the interim site was running rfc931, and if stuff is
set up The Way It Should Be, the finger should come to world.std.com from
nobody@xanth.cs.odu.edu.

ok, things are getting a little too silly. perhaps i should not have
mentioned it? :)

Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Subject: Re: Where can I find a "fingerd" that fingers the person back?
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:54:52 GMT

rouilj@cs.umb.edu (John P. Rouillard) writes:

>Yes, but any hacker with a brain knows about:
>  rsh <somehost where I am not logged on> finger @host.to.hack
>A reverse finger returns nothing useful in this case, although an
>rfc931 returns the correct info.

Does it? If the hacker is logged in as a hacked account, RFC931
doesn't help at all except to track the account.

Even then...any hacker with even more of a brain does:

	finger @host1@host2@target

which probably cannot be tracked back so easily by either method. 

And neither inadequacy is sufficient to condemn either method. Use
what works for you. 
-- 
Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov       dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov         ...usc!elroy!dxh

          To the ignorant, a pearl seems a mere stone.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin
From: k2@bl.physik.tu-muenchen.de (Klaus Steinberger)
Subject: Re: Does yp use a user named `+' with no password?
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:43:33 GMT

dave@pipi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (David Wuertele) writes:

>I found the user `+' in my /etc/passwd file and it had no password.  I
>inserted a `*' for the password, and within an hour somebody complained
>that they couldn't log into my computer using yp anymore.  I didn't see
>any reference to this in the man pages.  What's up?

The '+' pulls in the passwd file from YP. The fields are all filled in
by YP, but with precedence for the local file. As an example, you could do
the following:

+::::::/bin/someshell

So all user which are served by YP would get /bin/someshell on your system
instead of their normal default shell.

What you have done, was to disable all of them with the '*' in their 
password fields.

Sincerely,
Klaus Steinberger
--
Klaus Steinberger               Beschleunigerlabor der TU und LMU Muenchen
Phone: (+49 89)3209 4287        Hochschulgelaende
FAX:   (+49 89)3209 4280        D-8046 Garching, Germany
Internet: Klaus.Steinberger@Physik.Uni-Muenchen.DE
Xref: sparky comp.unix.admin:4573 comp.unix.programmer:4348
From: mccabe@gdls.UUCP (Harold McCabe)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.programmer
Subject: NDBM -- need more info
Keywords: ndbm, SunOS 4.1.1, more info
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:01:21 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.admin
Organization: General Dynamics Land Systems, Sterling Heights, MI

I am looking for more information about ndbm on SunOS.  I have looked at
dbm_open, dbm_fetch, etc. in man pages.  What I am lacking is any overview
of the facility, and info that tells me about limitations on keys, 
access control, etc.  Can anyone help?  Thanks in advance,

Harold McCabe
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From: drg@bubba.ma30.bull.com (Daniel R Guilderson)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,misc.consumers,comp.periphs,ne.wanted
Subject: A good supplier for Exabyte tape products?
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:33:27 GMT
Organization: Bull World Wide Information Systems, Billerica MA USA

I am in need of a good supplier of Exabyte tape products.  In
particular, I am currently looking for 8mm cleaning cartridges.  I
called Exabyte directly and they want $39.95 each (minimum of 5), or
10@$37.95 each, or 100@$32.95 each.  My guess is that an independent
supplier will be able to do a little better than that (I wouldn't mind
having a good supplier for other computing products either).  Location
is unimportant as long as the supplier is willing to ship products to
the Boston area.

Please email your suggestions to drg@bubba.ma30.bull.com.  Please do
NOT post your suggestions because I promise (cross my heart) to post a
summary within the next 9 days (8-21-92) to the groups this message
appeared in.  Thanks for any help you can give me.
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