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From: elston@acavax.lynchburg.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Several dream topics.
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:14:04 -0500
Organization: Lynchburg College

In article <kwi.35@postman.hsn.no>, kwi@postman.hsn.no (KLAUS WILLIAM WIK) w

> 		Flying and swimming/drowning and breathing
> 	I have noticed someone talking about the feeling of swimming and 
> the fear of drowning.That have never beed a problem.The first time I 
> thought I was going to drown, I had to breathe.Taking in what ought to be 
> water, I noticed I actually could breath the water.Later on I've never been 
> afraid of drowning in my sleep;I know I'm able to breath the wate.
> When it comes to flying, that happens most of the times I'm aware of me 
> being in a dream(Lucid dreams or what ever).It feels like I have a jet 
> engine in my (pardon) ass or fixed at my lower back. And I allways have to 
> adjust the angle between ground and direction of flight to either gain 
> speed or to gain height.Sometimes I have this 'normal' glideflight, but 
> still theres a will-power that lifts me, now from all over my body, not a 
> fixed point.



   JET PACK!!   HELL, I ALWAYS HAVE TO FLAP...
		WELL SOMTIMES I CAN GLIDE BUT NEVER POWERED FLIGHT....
		I'm also a pilot so I have a hard time dealing with the idea of
why I'm not behind the stick of a plane in my dreams. as for the swimming and
drowning thing I've also been able to breath in my dreams as well.  So has
everyone that I've talked to on the subject.  No this is no special insite into
the mind,  just a post to let you know that all this seems to be normal for
those of us who do dream.  The brain is simply working with what ever it has at
that momemt.  If you cant remember that you aren't supposed to fly or live
underwater then it's my guess that the brain says O.K.....
	remember that it is only a dream and has to do more with emotions and
chemical imbalances than reality

					Reality...
					It's only what you make of it.

Zac Elston@acavax.lynchburg.edu
From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Opinions?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:42:35 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
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Warning: it's hard for anyone to judge a dream of a person whom he
doesn't know. (Freudians, hit N ;-)

In article <1992Nov19.170313.25958@news.unomaha.edu> puh@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jennifer M. Hall) writes:
>
>The other night I had a dream that really didn't scare me, but left me with
>a lot of questions about it.  I dreamt that I was experiencing very sharp

Maybe it is not appropriate to question the meaning ('into' a dream,
instead out of it) but rather the source of the information mangled
together to build a dream. (This probably leaves less information than
would be considered worthwhile to worry about...)

>pains in my heart.  I went to the doctor and he said he would have to 
>perform surgery right away, but he never said what the problem was.  I

Oops :-)

>asked him about the incision.  He told me it would run from the wrist on
>my left hand, up my arm, and to my heart.  I remember being put to sleep

This is to be said exactly the region where pain takes place during a
heart attack...

>with anesthesia in my dream and waking up.  When I woke up I felt 100%

Dreaming of anesthesia... interesting. How felt it like? (Half- :-)

>better with no pain in my heart at all.  I looked at the scar from
>the incision and it only was a small one on my chest. Then the doctor came
>in and told me it was all a joke!!!

A bad joke ;-)

>This dream confuses me because I have no idea why I had it or where it came 
>from.
>
>Any opinions?  They would be appreciated.

At first reaction, this one made me smile. I remember many weird
dreams, and I know a bit about the medical thing. I think this to be a
typical dreamy image-corruption case. Have you ever had surgery, read
(or maybe heard on TV) in details about medical procedures, etc.?

olaf
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From: 00brwoodson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Getting enough sleep
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:51:27 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <92321.160740U3E67@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>, U3E67@wvnvm.wvnet.edu (Cathy Ridings) writes:
> Hi all.
> 
> I have a question.  Someone was talking about sleep patterns and sleep
> deprivation, and the different cycles of rest the mind goes through.
> I would like to know more about these cycles, and the effect of being awakened
> in the middle of the night every night.
> 
> I am a mother and I have to get up with my daughter every night.  How can the
> mind get enough rest with this happening?
> How about new mothers who have to get up with thier babies every three hours
> thru the night?  Is there any technique that will ensure the mind gets the
> rest it needs?
> Thanks
> Cathy

cathy,
There are four stages of sleep the fourth level being the deepest sleep or REM
sleep.  In REM sleep is where you experience dreams.  But I don't think you are
asking about dreams as much as you are wondering about the patterns of sleep.
To have a restful nights sleep you must:
	1 Get rid of excess tension by exercise, talking, relaxing
	2 Go to bed around the same time every night
	3 Get, on average, about eight hours of sleep
Exercise should be done no less than 1 hour before bed, so as not to give you a
"boost" of adrenaline.  If you tend to goto bed at different times this will
disrupt your sleeping patterns and give you a "jet lag" effect.
For young children, it is recommended that they get 10 hrs. of sleep.
Depending on the age of your daughter, you might try some of the above to
assure her a good nights rest.  Sleep deprivation occurs when a person makes
the body perform without rest.  This frequently occurs in high school and
college students with the help of stimulants.  In the deprived state, the brain
shuts down, causing memory loss, inability to do simple tasks, moodiness, and in extreme
cases, hallucinations are prevelant.  You shouldn't have to worry about sleep
deprivation.  Your body will let you know when it's tired.  For more info.,
consult a doctor.  
About your concern with getting enough sleep after being up with a newborn, you
should try to take naps during the day to make up for lost rest.  This will
ensure that you are getting the amount of rest you need.  If you have any more
questions or if I have not fully answered your questions, please post or e-mail
me.   

> *******************************************************************************
> Tonight you're a star, and I'm the big dipper..........Prince
> 
> 
> *******************************************************************************
From: ae-a@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Dying in dreams
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:07:53 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England


   I have heard somewhere that if you die in your dream, you
die in real life. What usually happens to me if I am about
to die or hurt myself is that I just wake up. Is this
just the result of my heart speeding up or is it an early-
warning system in my brain terminating my dream so that I
don't convince myself that I'm dead.

Andrei Ellman,              *********
Vanbrugh college           ** **
University of York,       **********
Heslington, York,        **     **
YO1 5DD, England        **       ********
       ae-a@minster.york.ac.uk

**********************************************************
*   Death is not about your life ending. It is just a    *
*   reminder to tell you to hurry up and do something.   *
**********************************************************
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From: brownt@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd francis)
Subject: Re: Anyone built their own "DreamLight"?
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:44:47 GMT



While waiting for my DreamLight to arrive (yes, I do own one...) I
developed a light cue device myself.

All I did was to hook up my brain machine (the Shaman Ligh
t and Sound brain machine) to an electronic Sears timer...

Knowing that I could not detect REM, instead I just used the device
to induce a lucid dream when I KNEW I would be in REM.  Basically,
knowing that the majority of your REM comes during the last portion
of sleep, Iset my alarm two hours before I usually get up and
then prepared the brain machine with the timer to go off 30 minutes
after Ifell asleep.  I just used the light goggles only.

:
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From: hughg@brutus.ee.su.oz.au (Hugh Garsden)
Subject: Re: Celia Green and the Institute for Psychophysical Research
Organization: University of Sydney, EE Dept.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:04:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.044008.27529@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mporter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mitchell Porter) writes:
|>...
|> and on her theory that the fundamental motivations of
|> 'ordinary' psychology and society are to be found in the desire to avoid
|> reality, or at least its potentially unpleasant aspects, such as the
|> perceptions of skeptical philosophy.  

I know there are psychologists (eg Schumaker? - can't remember the guys name)
who have concluded that religions were invented because human beings can't
face death.  

However, there are other psychologists (eg. Fromm) who have concluded that
much of science, technology and capitalism exist for exactly the same reason.

Who knows?
-- 
Hugh Garsden		
University of Sydney 
hughg@ee.su.oz.au


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From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Dead in a Dream Ditch
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:25:43 GMT

From what I've heard, though I've never experienced death in a dream,
it is possible to die in a dream and continue dreaming.  That is, and
not wake up.  A friend of mine dreamt he was shot in the head, and he
said the experience was quite bizarre.  Walking around for a while,
feeling "lighter-headed", etc.
 
The closest I've come to a death dream is being lucid, walking around,
and a small child with a knife jumped out and threatened me with his
blade.  I laughed, knowing I was lucid, thinking that the blade
wouldn't hurt if he did manage to stab me.  Well, he stabbed me and it
DID hurt.  Go figure.  I was annoyed as all hell about that one.
 
Anyone else experience pain in a dream like this?
                                        
                                                  Nik
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: alt.dreams in my head
From: teschultz@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:19:58 EDT
Organization: Miami University, Hamilton campus

In article <1e74i1INN28f@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ak044@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeremy Borger) writes:
> In a previous article, teschultz@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu () says:
> 
>>   In both of these dreams the "decisions" I made and my feeling of
>>"lucidity" were totaly dreamed and not actually counsciously made :(.
> 
> Yes, that's happened to me before, but think about this conclusion:
> 
> In the same way that you forget dreams when you wake, you may have forgotten
> that it was a true lucid dream when you woke up.
> 
> Alothough, I suppose dreaming you have a lucid dream is very possible.
> -- 
> 
I guess I could forget being lucid just like a dream, but I find that 
very unlikely.  After all, I did remember the dream itself. Also, in the 
past, the moment I realize I am dreaming I unfortunatly wake up. (It would
really suck if I've had many full length lucid dreams and not remembered
them!)
  
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From: Tarzan
Subject: Re: Opinions?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:21:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.170313.25958@news.unomaha.edu> puh@cwis.unomaha.edu
(Jennifer M. Hall) writes:
>
>
>The other night I ...went to the doctor and he said ..to..run from..being put
to sleep..and waking up.  When...my heart ..looked at the ...small one ..the
doctor came in.
>This dream confuses me because I have no idea why I had it or where it came 
>from.
>
>Any opinions?  They would be appreciated.
>
>Jen
>
Could have been something you ate, which caused you some pain and came out in
your dream.  Or it could just be one of those crazy combination of random
thoughts dreams.  Or ?


	TArzan
From: ptaplin@escher.arch.adelaide.edu.au (Paul Taplin)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: I SEE LIGHTS...
Date: 18 Nov 1992 06:17:37 GMT
Organization: Department of Architecture, University of Adelaide.
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> In <002369c.39.720913401@ace.acadiau.ca> 002369c@ace.acadiau.ca
>	(WILLIAM FREDERICK CUSTANCE) writes:

> Have you ever had the experience of closeing your eyes at night or whenever 
> you go to sleep and see patterns form?

The experience that people seem to be talking about here has to do
with Phosphenes which are geometric patterns/blobs that are the
result of "other" signals sent from the eyes going to the optic
nerves. These can be from lack of stimulus (eg. being in a totally
dark environment), pressure on the eyeball, flashing lights at certain
frequencies, or physical exertion.
I have a Scientific American article (from 1982 - I can find the exact
reference if people want it) that explains this and describes some
experiments to try at home.
My most bizarre experience with phosphenes was when lying down after an
exhausting hike to the top of a hill. While looking up at the sky I
noticed - superimposed against it's clear, blue - a slowly turning
pattern, composed of diamond-shaped tiles, formed into a "swirl". I
sat and watched it for what seemed like 5 minutes, but once I had
"recovered" from the climb it disappeared from my vision.
I realise that this doesn't have much to do with dreams but thought
that this information might be useful to those asking.
-- 
Paul Taplin              ptaplin@arch.adelaide.edu.au
Dept of Architecture
University of Adelaide   < something witty to be inserted >
South Australia          < here at a later date :-)       >
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From: clint@waldron.Stanford.EDU (Jennifer Dole)
Subject: Re: LUCIDITY INSTITUTE EXPERIMENT #1
Organization: Psychology Dept, Stanford Univ.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 20:37:08 GMT

In article <philip.721980258@labtam> philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Philip Stephens) writes:
>
>Jennifer Dole writes:
>>Dreams feel as real as waking life...
>
>Robert Sutton writes:
>>NO
>
>I write:
>
>YES!  Try improving your dream recall and you will change your mind, I can
>guarentee that.  Dreams DO feel as real as waking life AS WE ARE DREAMING
>THEM; you're thinking of what happens when you wake up, which is after the
>event.

Uh... I hope some of you folk are actually DOING this experiment...

Jennifer

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From: ABLB000 <ABLB@musica.macarthur.uws.EDU.AU>
Subject: New Age Music to Induce Lucidity?
Organization: University of Western Sydney, Macarthur
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:35:17 GMT

Today at the International festival for Mind, Body and Spirit,
in Sydney, Australia, I went to a lecture on New Age music and its
healing abilities.  The lecture was given by Tim Wheater, a leading
British New Age musician (a brilliant flautist).  He said that people
had told him that in 3 hours of meditation, they couldn't acheive
what 30 seconds of music could...
He went on to discuss how various vibrations affect different parts
of your body, but what really interested me was that various tones,
he said, make you more lucid.
While he wasn't obviously referring to lucidity in dreams, I was
wondering if there is a way that can help you "prepare" for a lucid
dream with the help of music/sounds.
Does anyone do this?

If refrigerators can be made illegal for emitting appetite-inducing
vibrations, then maybe some vibration can help to induce lucid dreams?
Just a thought...

Michael Stone
University of Western Sydney [l.burnell@uws.edu.au]
or [knbl@musicb.marist.edu]

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From: cav@bnr.ca (Rick Cavasin)
Subject: Re: EOG (was Dream characters with their own minds)
Reply-To: cav@bnr.ca (Rick Cavasin)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 18:04:40 GMT

My guess is that EOG is Electro-ocularo-gram or some such, ie.
a system of transducers 
which converts eye movement into electrical signals to
record patterns in a subject's eye movement.  Such a devise
does exist (has for a long time), and I believe that EOG would
be the appropriate acronym.

I seem to remember a posting way back in the dim and distant past
in which this was mentioned.  What happens is, the experimenter and
subject pre-arrange an eye movement pattern (eg. look up, look right,
look up, look down, etc.) that will act as a 'signal' from the subject
to the experimenter to indicate that the subject has achieved lucidity.
The experimenter follows the EOG (which would be all over the place
during REM sleep) and tries to spot the pre-arranged 'signal' pattern
(this scanning could presumably be automated).  When the subject or 
'dreamer' achieves lucidity, he performs the 'signal' pattern to
alert the experimenter without leaving the dream state.  My building
up a 'vocabulary' of signals, crude communication would be possible.
How the 'other dream characters' can use the dreamer's eye movements
to communicate to the outside world (ie. the experimenter) is another
question.  Maybe the dreamer acts as a relay or 'medium'.  I would think
that a fairly extensive vocabulary of signals would be needed to
achieve what we would call 'communication'.

Cheers,
Rick C.
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From: Tarzan
Subject: Re: Dying in dreams
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:58:21 GMT


>
>Hey, you flyers out there.  Try this one.  Fly high, up through the ozone,
>into airless space.  You may feel the need to create a streamlined
>artificial environment to protect yourself from friction and atmosphere/
>temperature effects.  Then, head on out past the planets.  I've been
>out far enough so that the Earth/Sun was just a dot.  Got a bit scared
>that I'd lose my orientation so I came back.  Am currently playing
>with an idea to "beaconize" our Terran system and head out at FTL speed.
>I figure some kind of gravity-well concept should work, provided I can
>find a proper target to "pull" toward.
>Thots?
>
>		
>

	This sounds like astral projection.  Can you travel to your friends during
dreams?  Talk with them?  Enter their dreams??
											Tarzan
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From: crwhite@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER RYAN WHITE )
Subject: Re: qty of sleep/mild depression
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:55:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.164814.907@crd.ge.com>, ebstokes@maxwell.crd.ge.com (Ed Stokes) writes:
|> I have found that I become mildly depressed if
|> I get "too much" sleep. For me, "too much" seems to be anything
|> over an average of seven hours per night. If I get into a
|> cycle of sleeping eight or more hours per night, then I
|> find that all I want to do is sleep.
|> 
|> Whereas if I get into the habit of staying up until ~1:00 AM
|> every night (and getting up at 7:00 AM), I feel much better.
|> 
|> So, my optimum amount of sleep seems to be six hours.
|> This seems contrary to "conventional wisdom". Is anyone
|> else like this ?
|> 
|> ebstokes@crd.ge.com

	I am the same way.  During the week when I don't get a lot of sleep, I
seem much more active than compared to the weekends, where I get a lot of  
sleep and feel lazy the whole weekend.  I always wondered why I was like that?
If anybody thinks that they have an idea, then email me or post an article to 
the group.

Chris White               email: crwhite@eos.ncsu.edu
From: cstadbg@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr M J Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Anyone built their own "DreamLight"?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 12:41:51 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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In article <1dvo78INNk3l@huon.itd.adelaide.edu.au> ptaplin@escher.arch.adelaide.edu.au (Paul Taplin) writes:
>I've often thought it would be a fun project to build a
>"DreamLight"-type device, that wakes the user after a period of REM

>What about sensors that detect muscle movement around the eyes? How do
>they work?
>Any electronic gizmos would be connected to an analog-to-digital
>convertor for sampling by a PC (with some rough-as-guts code I guess).
>I'm no electronics whizz but thought I might get someone to bite. Has
>anyone tried this sort of thing at home?
>
>Sweet dreams,

First to note....sensors for detecting movement I have not really heard
of, but I do know that most brainwave monitor circuits can be used, set
to the Alpha mode. Plant two electrodes either side of your head on
your temples, and when you are in REM you generate large quantities of
Alpha, which you can use to light lights, sound sounders, or in one
circuit I saw , when you are dreaming it gives you a ~ 90v shock 
(harmless) through your leg....this is supposed to make you become
a little more conscious and stimulate "Lucid dreams". However
any electronic circuit like this *Must Be Powered By Batteries* as any
mains powered equiipment with a fault could kill you! ... Connecting to
a PC analog port/digital port is fine ... as long as it is opto-isolated.

If you can get hold of a magazine called "Electronics Today International"
there was quite a lot of EEG/Brainwave/Dream machine stuff over 1987-1989.

Have fun

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From: philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Philip Stephens)
Subject: Re: qty of sleep/mild depression
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:36:13 GMT

Ed Stokes writes:

>So, my optimum amount of sleep seems to be six hours.
>This seems contrary to "conventional wisdom". Is anyone
>else like this ?

  Yep, six hours is about right for me.  Any more and I become overtired.
  
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