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From: pjs@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (Peter John Swiatkowski)
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Subject: Re: CapsLock gone awry
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:25:36 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne

In article <rohrernl.25@helix.nih.gov> rohrernl@helix.nih.gov (Nathan Rohrer) writes:

>In article <Bvo3ps.K40@world.std.com> levin@world.std.com (Levin F Magruder) writes:
>
>>Tom Dolan <dolan@ACUVAX.ACU.EDU> writes:
>>>When working in WordPerfect 5.1 for Dos the CapsLock key will suddenly work
>>>opposite of that expected - the light goes off but uppercase letters are
>>>typed AND the keyboard stays in shifted mode - this means F7 gives the
>>>print menu instead of of exit.  If I hold the shift key and hit CapsLock
>>>the light will come on, the keyboard still types uppercase and F7 gives
>>>exit again.
>
>>I've seen this come up, not predicably, omostly on XTs and machines
>>with TSRs running.
>
>>Someone recommended putting fixbios, which is distributed with WP,
>>in your autoexec.  It seems to help, but the incidence here is so
>>low it's hard to tell if it's my imagination.
>
>>(Fixbios.com is on the wp install/utilities disk, I believe.)

I believe that FIXBIOS should be on all versions of WordPerfect 5.1 of the
last few years, but I know it has not always part of WP5.1 and was produced
as a bug fix (Not a WP bug but a PC BIOS problem).

>
>We also ran into this problem.  We were able to fix it by using the DOS KEYB 
>command.  There was a conflict between WP and DOS5s standard keyboard bios.  
>This caused the shift key (or alt or ctrl) to "stick".  After installing the 
>KEYB command in those machines that had this problem (by the way it was a 
>particular model of DELL) the users had no further problems.
>
>Here's an example on usage (check your DOS manual for more details):
>
>AUTOEXEC.BAT:
>  ...
>  keyb us,,c:\dos\keyboard.sys
>  ...
>
>Nathan
>
Thanks for the tip. I didn't know that KEYB worked, but it's not available
with all versions (including many OEMed versions) of DOS.

I've found that systems that suffer this syndrome usually will spuriously
throw up numbers sometimes when using the cursor movement keys.

The stuck shift state can usually be 'unstuck' by pressing shift-Capslock
and then setting your preferred Capslock state.

One sure way of of resolving these 'wonky' keyboard problems is to disable
WordPerfect's control of character repeat rates in Setup, but this usually
makes moving around in WordPerfect unbearably slow. DOS 5 does let you set
the system keyboard repeat rate to about 32cps using the MODE command but
this is still far slower than WordPerfect's 50 or 60.

I thing the WordPerfect command line switch /nc will also disable the
direct handling of key repeat rates for the duration of that WordPerfect
session.

But probably FIXBIOS and KEYB are the best options to investigate, although
they both load TSR's into memory, and this may be a problem for RAM-cram
sufferers.

Peter Swiatkowski
University of Melbourne
Victoria, Australia



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From: mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi)
Subject: prices 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Children's Society
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:54:18 +0000

>   Does anyone have an idea of what WP6.0 will cost for someone who already
>   has WP5.1 (DOS version)?

Are there site licence upgrades avalable. ie pay one sum and get up to n
copies.
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From: pjk39593@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jud Kenney)
Subject: looking for Baskerville font for Macintosh (WP2.0)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:31:02 GMT
Keywords: fonts, baskerville, macintosh

I am looking for a scalable Baskerville font for the Macintosh...

Please post to the newsgroup or list if you know of an ftp site or perhaps
even a commercial vendor who carries Baskerville...


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From: GRADSCHL@SNYBKSAC.BITNET
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Subject: Re: Testing WP Competency
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:28:02 GMT
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On Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:00:28 CDT John Bigelow said:
>
>I see no justification for calling
>
><BOLD>word<bold>
>
>"clean" and calling
>
><BOLD>word <bold>
>
>"sloppy" if both produce the same appearance on the printed page.
>
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Not unless you search-and-replace Bold for Underline later.

Ed Throckmorton
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Subject: Re: How/where to get WP FAQ file(s)?

That was sent yo  out over the list about two days ago.
'm subscribed to both wp51-l and wpcorp-l
and don't remember which list it went y  out over.  I strip off headings
when I save messages to files to save space.

nadc.navy.mil>
From: RAMSEY@UCBEH.BITNET (WILLIAM J. RAMSEY)
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Hi :)

     I received a pamphlet in my WP for Windows that has an ad for Wordperfect
Works.  It didn't say what terminal emulations it had so I called. Terminal
emulations are 1) ANSI; 2) ANSI-BBS; 3) TTY; 4) IBM3101; 5) VT 52,102.
Protocol's include the standards (X,Y,Zmodem (w/ crash recover), and Kermit)

Wordperfect's product information number is: 1-800-451-5151 in the U.S.

The retail price is $249 (Suggested).  The woman I spoke to was kind enough to
tell me that I could find substantial discounts in local stores usually over
what it costs to order it from Wordperfect (I was shocked and amazed, a company
will actually be honest with you and try to save you $ on their products???
GASP).  Also, there is a trade up from any other works package (e.g. lotus
works). The cost to order from WP is 89.95 but once again, I was told you can
find it cheaper in local retail stores.

Hope this helps...... Joe :)
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Date: 9 Oct 92 03:33:07 GMT
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What does one mean by PLEASE SUBSCRIBE? I am a mere student and pay
for this account on unix at rutgers through my tuition. Could you
clear this subscribe/unsubscribe issue up for me? If I "subscribe" do
I have to pay you extra money for this account? What is the deal?
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From:         Russell Perrin <U7584RT@DOEMA.BITNET>
Subject:      DrawPerfect vs. CorelDraw

From: Russell Perrin
Note that if you are to use CorelDraw, you need Windows, and so may well want
to use WP for Windows rather than WP for DOS. Also, you asked which is better
for graphs, and then listed two drawing packages. If by graphs, you mean
bar/pie/line charts and their ilk, you will be better off with a graphing
package than with a drawing package. Within the Windows environment, Freelance
graphing is very good, so long as you do not want pie charts. Freelance does
*very* poorly with pie charts in both the Dos and Windows incarnations. Trying
to do graphs (as in bar graphs) directly in Corel is a bit masochistic. I
haven't used DrawPerfect, so I can't comment on that. If by graphs, you just
mean drawings, Corel offers a great amount of power and flexibility, and is
pretty simple to use once you get past the initial hump.

I saw another note which recommended DP for business use and Corel for
artists. I disagree with that. To produce hand drawings, you want the most
powerful software behind you that you can find, unless you are a tremendous
artist. Corels features can gloss over many artistic weaknesses. However, if
price is an important consideration, that will weigh against Corel.
From: ECON1286@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU (John Bigelow)
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Subject: Re: Testing WP Competency
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:00:28 GMT
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On Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:05:26 CDT <KRANDAL%NUACVM.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu> sai
>At least a couple people have said "Bold spaces?!?" in response to the WP
>competency test that was posted.  Why the amazement?  There *is* such a
>thing as a "bold space", and although you can't see it on the printed page,
>you can see it in Reveal Codes (also on the normal editing screen, if you
>have your screen colors set up right).  It is usually the result of sloppy
>editing, and looks like this:
>
>   One word in this <BOLD>sentence <bold>is in a bold font.
>
>For the document to be really "clean" the space should be outside of the
>bold codes; this could possibly make a difference in further manipulation
>of the document.

How does it make a difference?   I see no justification for calling

<BOLD>word<bold>

"clean" and calling

<BOLD>word <bold>

"sloppy" if both produce the same appearance on the printed page.

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From:         "D. Cook-Radmore,
              Head of ESA Translation Division" <DCOOKRAD@ESA.BITNET>
Subject:      Font Master

    Does anyone have any info on the product Key Font
    Master, by the Softkey company ?  It claims to
    work with WP and other main wordprocessors, as
    well as Pagemaker and Ventura, on an HP laser,
    with a veru respectable range of faces.  It is
    also on sale here in France (in the US version)
    at an amazingly good price .... I'd be grateful
    for comments on experience, either on net or by
    e-mail (DCOOKRAD@ESA.BITNET). Thanks, already!

    Derry Cook-Radmore
    European Space Agency, Paris

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Subject:      Does WPCorp. have email add. for bug reports?

I need to know if it there is a bug report line (in the form of an email
address) for the WordPerfect Corp.  I have a bug to report.
So is there such an email adress?

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From:         Charlie Reitsma <REITSMAC@DENISON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: printing a booklete

>I print these booklets all the time but as of yet havent written a macro.  The
>reason is because in this format you're limited to a certian number of pages
>before it becomes necessary to find really loooong staples.  Another problem
>is that I print front and back on each sheet of paper.  Thus far my solution
>has been to use the multiple page option on the printing screen, for example
>after the PAGE(S) prompt appears I enter 1,15,2,14,3,13 of whatever order is
>needed to get things in the correct order.

My WordPerfect documentation indicates that this cannot be done and having
tried it I find it cannot.  When printing multiple pages the page numbers must
be in ascending order.  So which version, which release are you using?
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From: bob burge <PADM850@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
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Subject: Re: Truncated WP version?

In article <1992Oct2.124507.6614@cas.org>, dxy54@cas.org (Dennis Yep) says:
>
>In article <WPCORP-L%92100122334859@HEARN> Johan Berteloot
><JBERTELO@RKC.UFSIA.AC.BE> writes:
...lots of stuff about what files to use for a one/two disk system...
>
>        All this information and more is discussed in the current issue of
>        the WordPerfect magazine.
>
I can't find a copy of that magazine ANYWHERE -- it must be because I live
in such a small town.  Would someone summarize the points.  I'm trying to
get wp5.1 to work for a friend who has no harddrive and only a DD drive.
She is now using 4.2 (yuck!) and has the HPIII she wants to print to.
Any suggestions on getting wp5.1 to work on her machine?
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From:         "D. Cook-Radmore,
              Head of ESA Translation Division" <DCOOKRAD@ESA.BITNET>
Subject:      Keyboard skills

    Joel Jackson asks:
    > - do you weight the results for those with fast
    > keyboard skills vs. slow keyboard skills?

    Surely the ability to type fast and accurately is
    part and parcel of wordprocessing competency ? We
    do get people applying for typing/secretarial
    jobs who (proudly?) claim a speed of 30-35 wpm;
    they don't get the job - we are a busy office, so
    they'd better get up round the 55-60 wpm mark...

    Derry Cook-Radmore, Paris

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From: CBARNES@TAMVM1.BITNET (Chris Barnes)
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On Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:50:00 CST <JOEL@GACVX2.GAC.EDU> said:
>>From: Chris Barnes <CBARNES%TAMVM1.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu>
>>
>>. . . . . I think a MUCH better test would be
>>1) hand someone a document and ask them to duplicate it anyway they
>>want to.  Make it include tables, charts, graphs, etc.  to your hearts
>>content.  The "test" is how fast they can do it.
>
>This may or may not really give you an idea of how well they understand
>WordPerfect.....  Also - do you weight the results for those with fast
>keyboard skills vs. slow keyboard skills?


Presumably, the test would be used to test job applicants (or some-
thing along those lines).  If that is the case, then keyboard skills
are intertwined with their knowlege of WP (at least as far as meas-
uring their "worth" is concerned).  Therefore, no, I don't weight
the results as I feel they are self-regulating.

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From: levin@world.std.com (Levin F Magruder)
Subject: Re: Testing WP Competency
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:26:47 GMT

Chris Barnes <CBARNES@TAMVM1.BITNET> writes:

>1) hand someone a document and ask them to duplicate it anyway they
>want to.  Make it include tables, charts, graphs, etc.  to your hearts
>content.  The "test" is how fast they can do it.
>
>2)  have them edit an already created document and make it look
>like some predetermined format.  Again, the "test" is how fast they
>can do it.

A major consideration to me is how quickly the document they create
in 1) can be edited.  If you give someone a list of names that "ought"
to be in a newspaper column, they could probably type it with 5 or 10
less key strokes by using tabular columns, but it's worse to do
it that way.  You might be able to duplicate a letter faster by 
typing in the address at the top of each page, instead of using headers,
but it's a sin to do so.  It's faster not to use block protect/conditional
end of page if it's not immediately necessary, but in the long run it's
a waste of time.

For reasons like that, I think "bold spaces" are a legit gripe, but
a minor one.

Something like this, though, is analogous and a common real world
problem:

[UND]Future Considerations[HRt]
[HRT]
[Tab][und]By 1993, the future will already be here.

I do this to myself often enough, and it's easily fixable, sure, but
it's better not to do it, messy to do it.

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It would matter when editing in that usually if you wanted to add a non-bold
word after a bold word, you would just hit the right arrow to get out of the
bold. If you had the bold space there and were not paying close attention, you
would probably type the added word in bold. If you knew you never left bold
spaces, you could edit faster without having to look to see if you're out of
the bold area.

Karen K. Banovic_______kbanovic@cfrvm.cfr.usf.edu
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From:         "Amy L. Ward" <OTHELLO@GWUVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: WordPerfect Communications program?

Thanks so much for the Paradox address!  You may have saved my sanity.  I'm qui
te new to the higher functions of Paradox and work in a low-tech office.
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From:         Michael Hollinger <MCHOLL@TSRV1.TS.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: printing a booklete

> If you are having a hard time understanding what I want, try this
> little exercise:  take 4 sheets of blank paper, fold them in half,
> write page numbers on the (half) sheets, then unfold and look at
> where the page numbers are written.  This is what you get:
>

This is the feature I was suggesting to Wp for good old 6.0.  I think
if a lot of people called and suggested adding this feature...

No, but seriously. Does anyone have a good suggestion for getting the
following type layout?

8,1
7,2
6,3
5,4

Unfortunately, not even the odd page/even page printing will work..
On the other hand, possibly dealing with printing multiple pages will.

More interestingly, is there some way of specifiying a variable
function for multiple page priting?  I'm sure we could come up with a
simple formaulaic algorthm where we could get the proper order
regardless of the number of pages...
From: afc@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
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Subject: Re: Testing WP Competency
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:42:24 GMT

In article <WPCORP-L%92101417210936@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>, Chris Barnes <CBARNES@TAMVM1.BITNET> writes:
> On Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:00:28 CDT John Bigelow said:
>>How does it make a difference?   I see no justification for calling
>>  ....example deleted....
>>"sloppy" if both produce the same appearance on the printed page.
> 
> 
> I agree.  I think a MUCH better test would be
> 
> 1) hand someone a document and ask them to duplicate it anyway they
> want to.  Make it include tables, charts, graphs, etc.  to your hearts
> content.  The "test" is how fast they can do it.
> 
> 2)  have them edit an already created document and make it look
> like some predetermined format.  Again, the "test" is how fast they
> can do it.

3) Print both documents on a different machine using a different printer.
For example, have them create the documents on a 386 EGA with a dot matrix
printer and then transfer to a 486 VGA with a laserjet.  Unfortunately,
I receive lots of documents that pass (1) and (2) and fail miserably on (3).

Andrew Cockburn
USDA

> Much more practical, and much less academic.
> 
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