From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: ERETZ YISRAEL (was Re: deportation)
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 16:50:39 GMT

In article <4824@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:

# In article <1993Jan3.003929.22905@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# >In article <4822@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:

# ># No, I don't admit that at all.  But you are right.  There never did exist
# ># a State of "plaestine".  It was always referred to as Palestine.  So,
# ># when you start speaking clearly, we will be more receptive to listening.

# >	What you refer to never existed.  There has never existed a state
# >by the name you refer to it above.  So you are still blocking the
# >truth from yourselves.
 
# This is obviously going nowhere.  You stubbornly refuse to recognize
# that there was a land named Palestine,

	Oh, but I do recognize this.  And one of the reasons I use the
quotes and question mark around that word is the specific reason for
that name.  It was given to the land soley to blot out any Jewish
identification with that land.  Those who use it are participating in
that dasterdly deed whether they mean to or not.

	In other words, I recognize it de facto, but not de jure.

	As to a state, there has never been one by that name.  If you can
find one that ever existed, , I suggest you call every major news
organization around since you will have a scoop.

# and people named Palestinians.

	Which at one time were only the JEWS.  There are statements given
by Arab nationalists earlier in this century were the demanded not to
be called that.  As it is, because of the history of the word, I
refuse to recognize any people by that name.

# I guess this kind of attitude allows you to be guilt-free but we will
# not allow you the luxury.

	My being guilt-free is not a luxury.  It is a fact.

# And you will **never** expect to live in
# peace when you refuse to recognize Palestinian legitimacy and rights.
# Very simple, David.

	Well, given that "palestinian?" legitimacy and rights are just
code words for Jewish destruction, I have learned there will never be
peace without divine intervention (there are of course other factors
that have led me to that conclusion).

# # 	"We don't live in Israel.  Not at all.  We live in
# # 	Palestinian territory.  It's Israeli occupied."
# # 					Hanan Ashrawi

# >	But what did she say when she woke up from her dream?
 
# 	"We just hope that the Israelis will reciprocate and will
# 	not continue to create such painful and aggrevating conditions
# 	on the ground that need to further hostilities and feed the
# 	cycle of violence.  The occupation is an abnormal, distorting
# 	condition.  It has to come to an end.  And I think only then
# 	will you see an end to violence."

	I did not ask "what did she say in her second dream?", I asked
"what did she say when she woke up?".  How come you answered a
question I did not ask?
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

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