From: megazone@hikita.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: IMHO
Date: 13 Nov 1992 20:30:48 GMT
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In article <1992Nov12.230408.2279@gacvx2.gac.edu> emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp) writes:
>In article <1dte0pINNoj3@bigboote.WPI.EDU>  writes:
>>Or watch a couple of kittens. When newborn you get near them and the first 
>>thing they do is swipe with their claws. It's ingrained.
>Really? I would have heard about that, I would think..

My friends cat just had a litter. Evil little cute balls of fur. After a while 
they learn that I can pretty much crush them in my hand and they learn some
respect. (No, I wouldn't do it...) But at first, before they get a learned
response, the instinct is to fight.

>I think, in his terms, you do have "a bright outlook." You work to make things
>more positive.. you aren't stopped completely when thinking of the negative..

I don't know... Brady?

See I try to help my friends, people around me. I run an aid program for the
elderly, etc. But I still don't think it makes any difference in the long run.
The world is going down hill. The human aspect is fading, technology is 
replacing nature.

>This is a really tricky issue. I think men and women deserve equal treatment 
>by law, and yet I think men and women are different. Naturally this varies.

I'm quite aware that there ARE differences. One of the few things that I enjoy
about life... Anyway.... Women and men are equally qualified to do most jobs,
I do think that perhaps heavy construction might benefit from size. I can't 
lift what a lot of those guys can. But there if a woman can do it, she should 
have the same chance of being hired as a man. But even society hinders that. 
I've worked for a heating firm in NY. All the installers and salesmen are MEN.
Nearly all the office crew are WOMEN. In the entire time I've know about the
company (It's my parents', so since I was old enough to understand) only one
woman worked in the metal shop, and there was one female installer.

People expect a man to show up to work on a furnace. They don't think a woman
is appropriate. Fact is most of the time it isn't heavy labor and the average
woman can do it just fine. Some of the guys cant carry a cast iron boiler into
a basement and need help, so big deal if the woman needs help. Intellectually
they can do the same job. And sometimes, such as jobs requiring a delicate 
touch, in general women are better since their hands are normally slimmer. (I
have a steady hand and I can do delicate work, but sometimes the sheer size of
my hand interferes.)

When people call for an estimate they automatically expect a man to show up to
do it. Ever notice that? Look around, go to a car dealer. I've found that 
almost all the time they are men. I think it is due to the unconcious feeling
that men can be forceful and therefore get a hard sale. Think of the typical
hardsell approach, just generically. Whom do you picture, a man or a woman?

I am always observing the world around me, picking up on undercurrents. There
are several prejudices ingrained subconciously that will have to be whittled 
away at, as no amount of radical protest will change it. It took generations,
hell, centuries, to form. The fact that they exist is mildly depressing, more
so when I find them within myself. 

>>Depression dos not readily convert to anger, for me they increase together. I
>>I get pissed I normally get a bit depressed, and vice versa.
>Perhaps the same thing?

No, I can definately tell the difference. They are linked, but not linearly.

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