HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mgm@world.std.com (michael g moncur)
Subject: Re: grocery store intercom
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 05:20:51 GMT

wyvern@iastate.edu (Nuno Bettencourt) writes:

>>	Hmnmm. . . . I go kicked out of a K-mart once during my wild and  
>>crazy teenage years for announcing blue light specials.

>	The best thing to announce at K-mart is "caroline red", preferrably
>twice or so. ;) This is the K-mart employee's code for a fire.

>wyvern@iastate.edu

>ps. If they start announcing that they have electrical problems and need the
>    store evacuated, you know that you've succeeded :)
>pps. Press "5" on the old type of phones, or the page button on the newer ones

I believe it's "Carolina Red", but I could be mistaken. 
 
Here's an idea I had for a K-Mart shenanigan:  Call a K-Mart, and say
something like this. 
 
"Hello.  I think my mother is in the store, and I need to speak to her
urgently.  Can you have her paged?" 
 
"Sure.  What's her name?" 
 
"Carolina Red." 
 
...  In which case one of two things would happen.  (1) the employee would
page Carolina Red, signalling to other employees that the store is on
fire...  or (2) the employee would try to convince me that she couldn't
possibly call my mother because she had that name, in which case I could
get irate about it, or ask her to page "Jeremy Red's Mother", which could
be funny in itself.  
 

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From: phoenix@cwis.unomaha.edu (Shannon Chris Saltzman)
Subject: Read
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:04:59 GMT

I seem to have raised a considerable theological discussion
in"sorry but".That is good but that is not what I wished to
accomplish. I would not openly share my true views of Christianity
with you as I dont believe anybody would ever agree with them and
I would have 5000+ letters in my mail.
The question I asked was:
Is mind expansion magick. Tricky question eh? Josh and I had
fun going round on that question for an hour or so!
That was the question.
Pleasing the Christian church? I may as well slash my wrists now
if that is my aim in life! Pleasing God. You may disagree but I think that
is a much better and easier cause.
I am going to quit posting on this subject after this as it will have
overstayed its welcome and if it isnt understood this time I doubt it
ever will be.
Thankyou to all who have and will respond.

-- 
From the coffee table of MR SHANNON SALTZMAN
"Is doggie heavan kitty hell?"
     Stephanie Phoenix(age 6)
This in everyway represents the authors opinion!!!(take it if ya want)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Double, Double, Toil & Trouble
From: ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward Kitto)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:59:27 GMT+1
Organization: Wanganui Amigans, Wanganui, New Zealand

Is Josh Joshing us or has (s)he achieved incarnate
duplicity? University of Australia indeed!!?
That the names Josh & Geller are synonymous with BS is maybe
a clue. Anybody else noticed this or is it old hat?
Had my doubts at the out set - do you like the feeling you
are being dicked out?
Paranoid magicians outlive the others! and I quote, see R A
Wilson's "Cosmic Trigger".
I was wondering how long it would be before the sociologists
took over.
Sure hope you can take a joke.
But then we are all having so much fun - aren't we?@

ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward Kitto)
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From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Myself and Magick
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:47:18 GMT


In article <tmerante.0326@weird.miami.fl.us> tmerante@weird.miami.fl.us (Tony 
Merante) writes:

>              And I am eager to meet people of the same mind.  I also have
>   been getting into past-life regression.

the important question to ask when you get into something like this is this:
'are these past lives I am regressing to actual memories of past lives, or
just some interesting fantasy I am indulging in?'. how can one tell the dif-
ference? well, the classic example is having memories of living in a place
you do not consciously have any knowledge of, in a period that you are un-
familiar with, doing research on that place and period, and coming up with
some kind of confirmation. if you haven't done that, or if because records
of that place and period are not extant, the honest classification of these
'past-life regressions' is 'not proven'.

josh
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From: paananen@tuxedo.enet.dec.com (Ed Paananen)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Equinox Inquiry
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:00:29 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Greetings,
Back in 1981 the OTO published Equinox Vol V #4 and in it is stated
they would enter 5 years of silence. It's been awhile since I've
looked but I am wondering is Vol VII available? I know I could
write the OTO but I figure I'd get faster (yes/no) answer here.
Has anyone seen Vol VII #1 or higher?

thanks,
Ed

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From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Spawning( was: Re: Many things - was women Vs men (ugh))
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:10:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1e90u1INN929@early-bird.think.com>, cward@think.com (Christopher Ward) writes...

>My years working with state foster care has certainly shown me that 
>there are people out there who can't handle parenthood - but I've 
>never run into a child who couldn't handle childhood with the right parent.

Right, there are people who can't handle, or don't choose to 
handle parenthood.  Isn't it better that they realize that and 
choose not to have kids, rather than create misery for themselves 
and the kids?  

>So, from some of the self serving drivel I've seen people post here, I
>imagine that they might see parenthood as a weight on their precious
>time.  Certainly a selfish person would view a child as a parasite
>and perhaps eventually extend that view to almost everyone else.  I'd
>say that such a person is better off celibate, but I wouldn't recommend
>it as a lifestyle for everyone.

I think that's just as unfair as someone saying that everyone 
should have kids, or that kids will ruin your progress in [fill 
in the blank].  IMO its a matter of personal preference, that's 
all.  The important thing is to know what you want and live 
accordingly.

- Peggy -
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From: spb0457@rigel.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Subject: TeX fonts
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:03:00 GMT



Anyone know where I can get TeX fonts containing:

1)  the Hebrew alphabet
2)  the symbols of the Zodiac
3)  that three-dots-in-a-pyramid symbol (in ASCII usually .`.)

..I suspect they're somewhere on slopoke.mlb.semi.harris.com, but I can't
find them.  Any help would be appreciated.















Yours etc.,




SubGenius
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From: luikero@pcuf.fi (Lauri Kero)
Subject: Seeking OOBErs and Hypnotizers
Organization: PCUF
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:51:01 GMT

        I am truly sorry if this is the wrong group but I do not have a
        very large selection of groups available.
        So:
 
                I would like to get e-mail from people who know about
                and have experiences in the following fields:
                        *Hypnotism*
                        OOBES
 
        Thank you very, very, very much.
 
 luikero@pcuf.fi
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: definitions of Magic
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:15:31 GMT


In article <1992Nov19.212749.24851@csus.edu> arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur 
Chandler) writes:

>     Hope that folks here can help me.  I'm putting together a collection
>   of definitions of magic -- not long essays, but one- or two sentence
>   distillations.  I'll post some of what I have here so that you/we can
>   comment on them. If you have some of your own, or some you've copied
>   down, I'd be obliged if you could post hem or email them to me with as
>   much bibliographic info as possible (but send 'em even if you don't
>   remember the source).

magick is human programming and metaprogramming.

josh
From: hiho@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark Peterson)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Traditional attributions for spaghetti sauce.
Date: 19 Nov 1992 17:41:41 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Reply-To: hiho@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: hiho@csd4.csd.uwm.edu


I can't find this anywhere.  The Universe, as usual when I need to
know something, has found a locust swarm of tricks to keep me from it.

Dumb, mundane, little question, but then, there you are: what is/are
the traditional attributions for rosemary and thyme?  And does anyone
know the ancient Greek or Hebrew for rosemary?

And no, I'm not trying out a new alchemical technique.... although,
now that I think of it, my spaghetti sauce *is* already pretty close
to perfection.  Maybe with a little push... hmmmm.  I'll post an
update after I try it.  ;-)

In the meantime, anything y'all've got on rosemary and thyme will be
appreciated.  Email's fine.


hiho
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From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler)
Subject: definitions of Magic
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:27:49 GMT


  Hope that folks here can help me.  I'm putting together a collection
of definitions of magic -- not long essays, but one- or two sentence
distillations.  I'll post some of what I have here so that you/we can
comment on them. If you have some of your own, or some you've copied
down, I'd be obliged if you could post hem or email them to me with as
much bibliographic info as possible (but send 'em even if you don't
remember the source).

  Here's one to start off:
 
  MAGIC: The general term for the practice and power of wonder-working,
as depending on the employment of supposed supernatural agencies.
-- Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th Edition (1910), "Magic"
 
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From: "Amy Young Leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Tarot Card Meanings
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:55:19 -0500

In article <Bxs2yB.60v@ddsw1.mcs.com> karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
>Further, there are, in my experience, no set "meanings" of the cards.  There
>are particular parts of symbolism; it is, however, the interaction with the
>querant and the reader (and the spread in use) which presents the full meaning.
>Those who read strictly by a book -- any book -- are obtaining less than the
>full interpretation available.

I've been given two views on how to learn (when speaking of learning
by myself).  One is to get a book, use it as a reference for a while,
then go on instincts.  The other is just to go in insticts alone...
trust what you feel when you look at the cards.  I am not in a place
to ask someone personally to teach me, so while I'm looking for a
book, I concentrate overall on improving on getting in touch with
instincts, and what naturally comes to mind when doing not only this,
but other things as well. 

amy
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From: malcolmc@spider.co.uk (Malcolm Campbell)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: More Definitions of Magic
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:19:31 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK

My favorite, from some book or other I cant remember..

Magic: the art and science of causing coincidence.

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From: "Amy Young Leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Spawning( was: Re: Many things - was women Vs men (ugh))
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:50:16 -0500

In article <1e90u1INN929@early-bird.think.com> cward@think.com (Christopher Ward) writes:
>I have to add my remarks in with Collin's on this.  I don't think
>there is a single definitative reason for non-spawn policies (or
>pro-procreation for that matter).  My own experience has lead me
>to believe that having children is one of the most positive and
>rewarding part of my life.  I also work with foster kids and know
>that there are a lot of people for whom the parent-child relationship
>dance is a real nightmare for both.
[...]
>My years working with state foster care has certainly shown me that 
>there are people out there who can't handle parenthood - but I've 
>never run into a child who couldn't handle childhood with the right parent.
>So, from some of the self serving drivel I've seen people post here, I
>imagine that they might see parenthood as a weight on their precious
>time.  Certainly a selfish person would view a child as a parasite
>and perhaps eventually extend that view to almost everyone else.  I'd
>say that such a person is better off celibate, but I wouldn't recommend
>it as a lifestyle for everyone.

I think that children are wonderful.  However, personally, *I* don't
feel comfortable with the idea of having children that come from me.
Why?  Some of it is selfish, very selfish, but I figure not as cruely
selfish as having a child, then dumping them into childcare for 90% of
their first 18 years.  I don't think the world NEEDS my contribution
of another child.  If there were no unwanted/abused children, then I'd
think differently, but if I come to want a child one of these days, my
husband and I have decided that we'd rather adopt.  And I don't mean
pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for a "perfect" white newborn,
either, but any minor who needs a good, loving home.  Granted, that's
asking for one heck of a job, but I feel it's needed.  I saw way too
many kids in my junior high from group homes and foster homes who had
learned not even to unpack their things, because in a few weeks they'd
be shuffled to somewhere else.  

Of course, after I've been thinking long and hard about this, and how
it might/would affect my life, I find that I might not even be able to
have children, period.  I can't help but wonder if somehow I *knew*
this and made decisions accordingly to save pain later on. 

amy
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From: markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Allen Kampe)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: artephius 'secret book' (very long)
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:44:44 GMT
Reply-To: markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: pongo.west.sun.com

I spoke to my father over the weekend who suggested that the "Secret Fire" 
of Artephius does indeed closely resemble the "Red Lion" of Paracelsus.
He suggested to me the name of an experienced Hermedicist who could 
probably offer more intelligent commentary, and suggested that I forward
your transcription to him.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:03:20 EST
From: <DWL110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: LESSONS AVAIL.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL.  I TEACH THE HIGH AND LOW MAGICAL ARTS TO ANY WHO WISH
TO LEARN, PROVIDED THEY MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS.  1.
THEY MUST BE OF THE PERSONALITY TO ADHERE TO THE WICCAN CREED.  2.  THEY
MUST BE SERIOUS AND SEEK KNOWAGE,NOT A TOY TO PLAY WITH.  3.  THEIR
CURIOUSITY MUST BE STRONGER THAN THEIR FEARS,FOR SOMETIMES NATURES SECRETS
ARE NOT TOTALLY SAFE FOR THE FEARFUL.  4.  THEY MUST BE WILLING TO SHED THE
FALSE BRAINWASHING OF THE ORGANIZED RELIGIONS AND BE WILLING TO EMBRACE THE
REAL TRUTH OF WHO AND WHAT THEY ARE, AND WHAT THEY CAN BECOME.  5.  LASTLY
THEY MUST DO WHAT IS ASK OF THEM, EXACTLY AS IT IS ASKED.  ANYTHING ELSE
MIGHT BE HARMFUL TO ALL INVOLVED.

I HAVE BEEN A PRACTICING WICCAN PRIEST FOR ALMOST 10 YEARS.  I HAVE BEEN
AROUND THE MAGICK FOR ALL OF MY LIFE SINCE I WAS RAISED IN A WICCAN FAMILY.
IF SOMEONE OUT THERE WOULD LIKE TO CORRESPOND WITH ME, I WOULD LOVE TO TALK
TO OTHERS IN THE CRAFT.  I WELCOME AND ENCOURAGE ANY E-MAIL FROM ANYONE WITH
QUESTIONS OR SOMEONE WHO I CAN ASK QUESTIONS OF.  LETS FACE IT IF WE ALL
KNEW IT ALL THIS WORLD WOULD BE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE HUH?  - SORRY FOR THE
CAPS, BUT THE #### MACHINE IS STUCK.
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: "sonia brock" <sonia.brock@canrem.com>
Subject: sorry but...
Reply-To: "sonia brock" <sonia.brock@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:56:27 EST

MP>    Subject: Sorry but...

> Actually, there is no christian church, per se. It depends
> on which particular sect to which you belong.
>
> The Roman Catholic Church tends to frown on all kinds of
> such excercises. For example, meditation on the Bible,
> or a particular prayer, is okay, but meditation to 'blank
> the mind' would be bad because of the chance of demonic posession.


MP>Hmmm.  Get thee to Loyola's _Spiritual_Exercises_ and think again. ;-)

        Indeed.  There's more space in the Mother Church than some
        narrow-minded folk would have us believe.  Not saying it is all good
        but like the curate's egg 'parts of it are excellent.' ;-}

Sonia Brock
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From: spb0457@rigel.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Subject: Re: TeX fonts
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:23:00 GMT

cigp07@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes...
> 
>3) This can be found in files called 'hermetic.tar.Z' and 'hermetic.tfm'.
>   You'll need both. Install those, and you should be OK. The .'. symbol is
>   mapped to 'T' in the hermetic font.
>2) These are also in the above font, but for some weird reason only about 5 of
>   the glyphs have come thru' and are usuable. The astrological font I tend to
>   use is called 'astrosym' and can be found on tex.ac.uk. It supports three 
>   types of astrological font including calligraphic, bold and thin. Also has
>   the glyphs of the planets.
>1) The hebrew alphabet is also included included in 'hermetic', but doesn't
>   appear to support the finals. Therefore, look on archie for a font called
>   'hclassic' which is the standard Classical Hebrew font ( the one you tend
>    to see in occult works ) and supports the finals. 

+-------------------------------------------------SubG------------------------+
Yeah...I found the files alright, but the font craps out when I try to
TEXROX anything--apparently there's something wrong with the .GF file
(unexpected something-or-other bit).  Which is strictly the shits as far
as I'm concerned.

Nutters.












Yours etc.,



SubGenius
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Myself and Magick
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
	<JOSHUA.92Nov22084718@bailey.cpac.washington.edu> <2005@lysator.liu.se>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:17:42 GMT


In article <2005@lysator.liu.se> ceci@lysator.liu.se (Cecilia Henningsson) 
writes:

>I write:

>   >[my comment about past life memories deleted].

>   Is it really? Why not try to tolerate uncertainty and simply state
>   that the so called past-life regressions might be a way for some but
>   not all people to cope better with their current lives, leaving aside
>   the question of truthfulness, and emphazising the question of
>   helpfulness?

because you end up with these losers running around talking how they were
Egyptian Princesses and Knights of the Table Round with no evidence what-
soever besides the fact that it sounds good and makes their tawdry selves
appear to be slightly more interesting than the barely sapient helminths
that they actually are. it is esthetically displeasing, and it tends to
give the casual observer the idea that magick generally is a method of
mental masturbation indulged in by twits.

josh

Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: mbaucco@iugate.ucs.indiana.edu ()
Subject: alt.hypnotism and alt.oobe
Followup-To: alt.magick
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:40:22 GMT

Hello,

	I have seen several postings here that state there are two newsgroups,
alt.out-of-body and alt.hypnotism, and that people who post stuff related
to these topics should post things there. I have searched my list of
newsgroups, both new and old, and I have yet to see either group. Could
someone possibly tell me how to go about finding these elusive groups.

					                                    Thank You in Advance,
                                           Matthew Baucco
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: ladislas@sobeco.com (Ladislas A.)
Subject: Re: artephius 'secret book' (very long)
Organization: Sobeco Ernst & Young
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:36:40 GMT

I can honestly say that I've read a good dozen alchemy treatise in the past 
twelve years.  From the "Emerald_Table" to Paracelsus, from "_L'Entree_Ouverte_
Au_Palais_Ferme_du_Roi_" (by ?) to Jacques Breyer's "_Oubah_", they all say
a lot, and yet very little.  Every Adept who writes about the Art claims to
be generous in giving nothing but the true method.  Artephius is amongst them.

I've come to believe that the only two ways one can complete the Work is to
apprentice to an Adept or figure out the workings of nature and adapt it to
achieve the Stone.  Finding an Adept is not an easy task.  They're not waiting
at every street corner for an apprentice to show up.  Figuring out the workings
of nature is tantamount to finding an answer to "Why Does The Universe Exist?".

I sometimes wonder if I'm really "cut out for the job".  Having figured out
through reading and deduction that some figures of legend and religion were
Adepts only proves how far I still am from the answers I seek.  Sometimes I
even begin to doubt that the Art is true.  But then, the legends come forward
and reassure me that it is.  If the Art is only a "wild goose chase", then
I can only marvel at the determination countless authors and thinkers had/have
to promote the existance of the Art.

I wish to thank you, Josh, nontheless, for the time you spent copying the
treatise for the benefit of others such as I who still seek the truth 
hidden behind the words of the Adepts.

Ladislas
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