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From: "Kevin V. Carosso" <kvc@summer.innosoft.com>
Date: 06 Oct 1992 22:47:56 -0800 (PST)
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> have some problems with the process symbiont. It sits in a 6000 page working
> set for some reason.

This is a bug.

> A couple of times since I've installed 4.1 the queue has
> stopped for reasons I can't determine. I find no dump file in sys$system...

Same bug.  The process symbiont would grow larger and larger and
eventually die with "insufficient virtual memory".  We can send you a new
executable.

The process symbiont only creates a dump file if you tell it to (no it isn't
documented, but we will ask you to turn it on if necessary).  It did,
however, cause OPCOM to report the fatal condition as it died.  You should've
seen that if you had a terminal enabled for OPCOM messages somewhere.

	/Kevin Carosso
	 Innosoft
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Subject: RE: Stuck BITNET Mail
From: Ned Freed <ned@sigurd.innosoft.com>
Date: 08 Oct 1992 17:04:30 -0700 (PDT)
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If you move a message from one directory to another you have to wait for
the channel to notice that the message is gone and delete the queue entry and
then for SYNCH_CACHE to run and update the cache with a new entry. We're going
to provide a REBUILD_CACHE tool in the future to make this somewhat easier.

Keep in mind, however, that moving messages from one queue to another isn't
supported because of the possible incompatibility of header formats and the
impossibility of reversing the rewriting that's done. It usually works, but
there are cases where it doesn't.

				Ned
From: tas@madre.dasd.honeywell.com (Todd A Sorensen)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.tpu
Subject: Re: Looking for SCA and 2167A expertise
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:12:59 GMT
Organization: Honeywell Flight Management Systems
Nntp-Posting-User: tas

In article <1992Oct12.160833.731@e2big.mko.dec.com>, sharone@shar.zko.dec.com (Sharon Eikenberry) writes:
> 
> Are you looking for help with the REPORT command, or are you unaware of their
> existence?
> 
No, I am very aware of the reports, but I want to use any procedures that have
already been written if possible.  I have looked at the procedures in
sca$root:[example], but have been unwilling to take the time to modify the
internals report for my purposes.  I really want to automatically generate much
of the SDD section 4 stuff, instead of using the tags provided in the 2167A
report.  The tags idea is great, but as you know, most engineers fail to keep
that kind of information up to date.  What is really needed is a tool to pull
the design out of the code since that is where the rubber meets the road.  SCA
comes pretty close, although I've had a hard time selling the rest of the group
on it.  They prefer dcl searches to sca>find ***** .

What I am really looking for is someone who has used SCA to automatically
generate what they thought they could (imports,exports,globals,locals) and use
tags for the rest.  I envision this as some kind of a mix between an internals
report and a 2167A report.  I like the internals report for its content and the
fact that it uses the code only if there are no tags, but I need the 2167A
format for contractual purposes.  I guess if I don't get any response, I will
bite the bullet and figure out what   SCA$REPORT_INTERNALS.TPU;1 and
SCA$REPORT_2167A_DESIGN.TPU;1 do and make the necessary changes.  I have
written a few TPU procedures and have the most experience with SCA at this
site, but I think I need a much better handle on TPU and SCA before I can make
changes that will work.  I may have a lot of questions are you a good person to
ask?  Do you prefer posts or email?  When I'm in the middle of doing this, I
will probably like some relatively quick response.  I know that we have a
support contract, but usually one of the system managers has to send the
message I think.


> In LSE V3.0 and later, the REPORT command generates reports based on 
> comments within the source code.  One of the available reports is 2167A.
> 
> If you have specific questions about the REPORT command, ask away.
> 
> --Sharon Eikenberry			! eikenberry@tle.enet.dec.com
>   LSE Developer
>   Digital Equipment Corporation
>   
>   Opinions are my own.
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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(505) 828-5611                internet: tas@dasd.honeywell.com
                              fax: (505) 828-5500
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From: tas@madre.dasd.honeywell.com (Todd A Sorensen)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.tpu
Subject: Looking for SCA and 2167A expertise
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:37:10 GMT
Organization: Honeywell Flight Management Systems
Nntp-Posting-User: tas

I am looking for SCA expertise.  Especially in the area of 2167A
documentation.  I would like to automatically generate as much as possible from
the code so that changes are automatically made to the documents when the code
is changed.  I guess I am looking for TPU procedures that use the callable SCA
interface.  Anyone with some good info can respond via email or by a post.

Thanks!

-- 
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(505) 828-5611                internet: tas@dasd.honeywell.com
                              fax: (505) 828-5500
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From: sharone@shar.zko.dec.com (Sharon Eikenberry)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.tpu
Subject: Re: Looking for SCA and 2167A expertise
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:08:33 GMT
Reply-To: sharone@shar.zko.dec.com (Sharon Eikenberry)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Are you looking for help with the REPORT command, or are you unaware of their
existence?

In LSE V3.0 and later, the REPORT command generates reports based on 
comments within the source code.  One of the available reports is 2167A.

If you have specific questions about the REPORT command, ask away.

--Sharon Eikenberry			! eikenberry@tle.enet.dec.com
  LSE Developer
  Digital Equipment Corporation
  
  Opinions are my own.
Newsgroups: vmsnet.tpu
From: hvddool@kub.nl (H.M. van den Dool)
Subject: How to make EOL visible
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 15:31:39 GMT
Organization: Tilburg University, Tilburg, The Netherlands

I would like to have newline characters made visible during editing.
Just like EDT shows <ESC>, <CR>, <LF>, etc. instead of an inverted
question mark (or some other odd character) I would like to have TPU
map EOL to something like # or << (single character).

Does someone have any ideas on how this can be realised with TPU?

Thanks,

-- 
Hans van den Dool, hvddool@kub.nl
Tilburg University Library
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
From: rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker)
Subject: Re: DEC press releases
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:57:40 GMT

tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot) writes:
>DEC routinely posts press releases to the net in biz.dec....

which is where they belong.  press releases usualy violate NSF
guildelines, which is why a separate hierarchy was created for them,
allowing sites who maintain strict adherenece to the guidelines to
ignore an entire hierarchy.  adding v.a.dec is probably not a problem
for NIX consotium users and commercial uucp users, but it would most
likely pose a delemma for those using BARRnet and CERFnet.

-- 
--- bob pasker
---- rbp@netcom.com
From: saul_sy@hnrc.tufts.edu (Saul Tannenbaum)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: Re: DEC press releases
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:58:41 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Oct7.155740.10460@netcom.com>, rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker) writes:
> tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot) writes:
>>DEC routinely posts press releases to the net in biz.dec....
> 
> which is where they belong.  press releases usualy violate NSF
> guildelines, which is why a separate hierarchy was created for them,
> allowing sites who maintain strict adherenece to the guidelines to
> ignore an entire hierarchy.  adding v.a.dec is probably not a problem
> for NIX consotium users and commercial uucp users, but it would most
> likely pose a delemma for those using BARRnet and CERFnet.

I think that it is not quite as clear cut as all that. The NSF Acceptable
Use statement says:


        THE NSFNET BACKBONE SERVICES ACCEPTABLE USE POLICY
 
 GENERAL PRINCIPLE:
 
 (1) NSFNET Backbone services are provided to support open research and
     education in and among US research and instructional institutions,
     plus research arms of for-profit firms when engaged in open
     scholarly communication and research.  Use for other purposes is
     not acceptable.
 
 SPECIFICALLY ACCEPTABLE USES:
 
[...] 
 (7) Announcements of new products or services for use in research or
     instruction, but not advertising of any kind.
[...] 
 UNACCEPTABLE USES:
 
 (10) Use for for-profit activities (consulting for pay, sales or
     administration of campus stores, sale of tickets to sports events,
     and so on) or use by for-profit institutions unless covered by the
     General Principle or as a specifically acceptable use.
 
 (11) Extensive use for private or personal business.
 
[End of excerpt]

Press releases would seem to me to be covered under point 7. If Digital,
unsolicited, started dumping press releases into a hierarchy other than
biz, that would be wrong. But, if the users of VMSNet asked, and DEC
responded in a considered manner, then I can't see any problem with it.

********************************************************************************
Saul Tannenbaum                         |
Manager, Scientific Computing           |Internet: STANNENB@HNRC.TUFTS.EDU
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    Aging at Tufts University           |
*********************** Standard Disclaimers Apply *****************************
From: Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com (MUMPS Wizard)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: Re: DEC press releases
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 01:00:40 GMT
	<1992Oct7.214922.3871@netcom.com>
Organization: Science Applications Int'l, Corp. - Computer systems operation

rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker) writes (in part):
>saul_sy@hnrc.tufts.edu (Saul Tannenbaum) writes:
>> UNACCEPTABLE USES:
>> 
>> (10) Use for for-profit activities (consulting for pay, sales or
>>     administration of campus stores, sale of tickets to sports events,
>>     and so on) or use by for-profit institutions unless covered by the
>>     General Principle or as a specifically acceptable use.
>> 
>> (11) Extensive use for private or personal business.
>> 
>>[End of excerpt]
>
>>Press releases would seem to me to be covered under point 7.
>
>and under points (10) and (11).  so?  since noone has ever been
>charged with violating NSF standards (usually they lock out the
>indivual offender), its moot anyway.  there is no indication that NSF
>is going to start cracking down.  the usage policy is has taken on the
>aspects of a guideline.
>
>> If Digital,
>>unsolicited, started dumping press releases into a hierarchy other than
>>biz, that would be wrong. But, if the users of VMSNet asked, and DEC
>>responded in a considered manner, then I can't see any problem with it.
>
>there is already an appropriate newsgroup dedicated for dec's press
>releases, why reduplicate the effort?  if you want to get PR stuff,
>then ask your upstream feed provider to send you biz.dec.  if your
>feed doesnt get b.d, then get the stuff via e-mail.
[remainder deleted]
 
The key the NSF seems to use (in my opinion) is whether such data is
unsolicited or not.  Asking for a biz.??? newsfeed means the data is
solicited and I've never seen the NSF object to it.
 
I also agree that it is unnecessary to duplicate biz data in vmsnet.
I will happily provide an nntp feed to anyone who wants this or any
other newsgroup.  If you or your feed site cannot (or will not) accept
such a feed, I can also provide it via mail.
 
Mark Berryman
Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com
From: rankin@eql.caltech.edu (Pat Rankin)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: Re: DEC press releases
Date: 7 Oct 1992 14:25 PDT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1992Oct7.135843.433@hnrc.tufts.edu>,\
 saul_sy@hnrc.tufts.edu (Saul Tannenbaum) writes...
[... some NFSnet guidelines]
> (7) Announcements of new products or services for use in research or
>     instruction, but not advertising of any kind.
[...]
> 
> Press releases would seem to me to be covered under point 7. If Digital,
> unsolicited, started dumping press releases into a hierarchy other than
> biz, that would be wrong. But, if the users of VMSNet asked, and DEC
> responded in a considered manner, then I can't see any problem with it.

     Many of the press releases are advertising ("so-and-so just signed
a multi-million dollar agreement with Digital", or product releases which
include explicit pricing details).

     I think duplicating them in the vmsnet hierarchy would be a bad idea,
but then I'm biased since our news server carries the biz hierarchy.  I
find that I only look at about one press release per month these days
anyway; most of them are just noise.

     Seems to me that this falls in the category of "belongs to an already
existing newsgroup" so is not appropriate for vmsnet.  For the record, I'm
opposed to Terry's proposal...

		Pat Rankin, rankin@eql.caltech.edu
From: mark@infocomm.com
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: Re: DEC press releases
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:33:09 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: INFO COMM - Computer Consulting, Redwood City, Ca

In article <7OCT199214254033@eql.caltech.edu>, rankin@eql.caltech.edu (Pat Rankin) writes:
>      Seems to me that this falls in the category of "belongs to an already
> existing newsgroup" so is not appropriate for vmsnet.  For the record, I'm
> opposed to Terry's proposal...

I agree, and as pointed out elsewhere, other arrangements for those who really
want/need (and can't get) biz.dec can be made.

--
Mark Pizzolato - INFO COMM Computer Consulting, Redwood City, Ca
PHONE:	(415)369-9366	UUCP:  decwrl!infopiz!mark or uunet!lupine!infopiz!mark
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Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
From: rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker)
Subject: Re: DEC press releases
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:49:22 GMT

saul_sy@hnrc.tufts.edu (Saul Tannenbaum) writes:
> UNACCEPTABLE USES:
> 
> (10) Use for for-profit activities (consulting for pay, sales or
>     administration of campus stores, sale of tickets to sports events,
>     and so on) or use by for-profit institutions unless covered by the
>     General Principle or as a specifically acceptable use.
> 
> (11) Extensive use for private or personal business.
> 
>[End of excerpt]

>Press releases would seem to me to be covered under point 7.

and under points (10) and (11).  so?  since noone has ever been
charged with violating NSF standards (usually they lock out the
indivual offender), its moot anyway.  there is no indication that NSF
is going to start cracking down.  the usage policy is has taken on the
aspects of a guideline.

> If Digital,
>unsolicited, started dumping press releases into a hierarchy other than
>biz, that would be wrong. But, if the users of VMSNet asked, and DEC
>responded in a considered manner, then I can't see any problem with it.

there is already an appropriate newsgroup dedicated for dec's press
releases, why reduplicate the effort?  if you want to get PR stuff,
then ask your upstream feed provider to send you biz.dec.  if your
feed doesnt get b.d, then get the stuff via e-mail.

the idea of having hierarchies is to segregate traffic so that
individual newsgroups don't have humongus amounts of volume and so
that people can get what they want smorgasboard-style.  rec.aviation
recently spun off _13_ subgroups because the volume had gotten so
high.  this history-l listserv just spun off 15 new lists.  the trend
is to segregate rather than amalgamate (or, in this case, duplcate).
-- 
--- bob pasker
---- rbp@netcom.com
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: Re: DEC press releases
From: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 07:58:38 CST
Reply-To: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: tp


In article <1992Oct7.155740.10460@netcom.com>, rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker)
writes:
>tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot) writes:
>>DEC routinely posts press releases to the net in biz.dec....
>
>which is where they belong.  press releases usualy violate NSF
>guildelines, which is why a separate hierarchy was created for them,
>allowing sites who maintain strict adherenece to the guidelines to
>ignore an entire hierarchy.  adding v.a.dec is probably not a problem
>for NIX consotium users and commercial uucp users, but it would most
>likely pose a delemma for those using BARRnet and CERFnet.

I should have thought of that, but then, I'm not on the internet myself. Anyway,
as far as I'm concerned that decides the issue. The group will not be created.
We'd be foolish to add a group to VMSnet that caused people to have to seriously
consider whether they could carry VMSnet as a whole. 

Arguments about whether the guidelines would really hold up or be enforced miss
the point. Many news managers on NSFnet follow the guidelines out of conscience,
whether their users always do or not, and so we'd be cutting our own propagation
to those sites.

Also, I'm not sure I agree about this traffic not being appropriate to the
hierarchy, but that issue is irrelevant now.

Those who contacted me saying they'd like to get the info and don't already
should consider taking Mark Berryman up on his offer of a feed, or contact their
existing feed to try and get the biz hierarchy.

Bottom line: no group. Thanks for all the input!
--
Terry Poot <tp@mccall.com>                   The McCall Pattern Company
(uucp: ...!rutgers!depot!mccall!tp)          615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in KS (913)776-4041           Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
From: rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker)
Subject: Re: DEC press releases
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:17:28 GMT

rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker) writes:
>tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot) writes:
>>DEC routinely posts press releases to the net in biz.dec....
>which is where they belong....

one alternative is for those sites who would not be in violation of
their usage agreements to start propogating biz.dec.  biz.dec is low
enough volume that it could be carried via e-mail for those sites
whose feeds don't/won't carry it.
-- 
--- bob pasker
---- rbp@netcom.com
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
From: mwhite@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Michael J. White)
Subject: Re: gnuan feature of gnuchess: questions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:42:41 GMT

christos@cco.caltech.edu (Christos S. Christoforou) writes:

>Hi!
>I have questions concerning the use of the
>gnuan feature of Gnuchess.
>If one wants to have gnuan solve chess problems
>(like for instance, white to play and win etc),
>in what sort of format should the input file be?

>And another question: Has anyone tried to have gnuan
>run in the background of a Unix environment? How would
>a batch file look? I tried it once and crashed our servers
>and I don't think I should be doing it again unless
>someone who knows more explains a bit about it to me.

>Thanks for all replies/suggestions/hints.

>christos

For making a list of moves, Henry Thomas' (sp?) "notation"
program is pretty nice.  It takes algebraic notation and
will yield gnuan format with the "-d gnu" option.

I use the following script for running gnuan in the background:

--------------cut snip cut snip cut snip----------------------
#/bin/csh run-gnuan
# Run gnuan against a list of gnuan input files
#   given as arguments to run-gnuan.
# Stores results in ${1}.any, ${2}.any, etc.
#   (use distinct basenames for input files!)

# Set the max number of moves and time per ply in minutes, here:
set moves = 29; set time = 10   # for thorough analysis
#set moves = 2; set time = 1   # speed check for legal moves

foreach i ( $* )

gnuan > ${i:r}.any << !
$i
$moves
$time
!

end
--------------cut snip cut snip cut snip----------------------

You will need to delete all the leading <tabs> on each line,
and change the other <tabs> to spaces in the "notation"
output so that "gnuan" will accept it, though.

Also, some illegal moves slip through "notation" -- it wasn't
equipped for that.  So I run the files through gnuan with
moves=1 or 2 to check legality.
Oh yeah, sometimes tournament games *have* illegal moves.
Please don't mention this to the solvability people.
Anyway, these programs shouldn't just die when this happens.

If you want to run the script in the background, put a "&"
at the end of the command line, e.g.:

run-gnuan file1 file2 &

Be careful with the time and moves on a heavily-used machine!

I don't think "gnuan" will solve a *position*.  This would be
a nice improvement (hint hint :).  Most of the games I analyze
have only a few moves that I'm puzzled over (big grin here)
and I hate to wait a day for "gnuan" just to get to the move.

It does give the best line from every position that occurs
during a game.  The "score" is the backed up evaluation from
the best line.
I've been wondering exactly what the "ply" column is, and why
the best line is sometimes shorter than the "ply" number.

"gnuan" wasn't happy with my queening a pawn, or knighting it,
etc.  Fortunately, I could analyze most of those continuations
(:-).

Mike White
michael-j-white@cecer.army.mil
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
Subject: Want compiled xboard for SunOS 4.1.2
From: glickman@hustat.harvard.edu (Mark Glickman)
Date: 10 Oct 92 09:09:23 EDT
Originator: glickman@hustat

Does anyone have a compiled copy of xboard for SunOS 4.1.2?
I've sporadically tried to compile xboard from the source
files, but our system has the include files in
unconventional places.  If someone could send me a uuencoded
version of compiled xboard, I'd really appreciate it!
Thanks!

            - Mark
Xref: sparky gnu.chess:409 rec.games.chess:8837
From: christos@cco.caltech.edu (Christos S. Christoforou)
Newsgroups: gnu.chess,rec.games.chess
Subject: gnuan feature of gnuchess: questions
Date: 9 Oct 1992 17:09:59 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

Hi!
I have questions concerning the use of the
gnuan feature of Gnuchess.
If one wants to have gnuan solve chess problems
(like for instance, white to play and win etc),
in what sort of format should the input file be?

And another question: Has anyone tried to have gnuan
run in the background of a Unix environment? How would
a batch file look? I tried it once and crashed our servers
and I don't think I should be doing it again unless
someone who knows more explains a bit about it to me.

Thanks for all replies/suggestions/hints.

christos