From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics
Subject: Re: Clinton Policies (was: Re: Legalized Theft)
Date: 5 Sep 92 03:31:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep4.183922.9000@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
> Isn't it kind of hypocritical of you to be asking me for references on
> the abortion issue when you yourself REFUSE?  *YOU* are the one
> demanding references all the time, John, but only when what someone
> says doesn't accord with what you want to believe, apparently.

Huh?

I willingly provide references.  I do it all the time.  This is why I
don't have a credibility problem.  That is why =I= provided two different
references showing what fetal development occured at what date.  And in
a moment I will provide a third.

>                                                                   I
> told you the first place to go look.  Go check Grey's Anatomy and look
> for when the cerebrum and cerebellum are formed.  When you come back
> with that one, I'll send you off to check another one.  You will
> quickly find how ridiculous your claims of readable human brainwaves
> at 40 days gestational age are.

Now, Fred, you said no such thing.  Because I keep a copy of Gray's anatomy
(that's GRAY with an "A", not GREY with a "E".) on the shelf.  Next to the
rest of my wife's biology books.

Now, turn to page 1215 in your Gray's Anatomy (1977 edition).  Read the
section under "Third Week".  Elsewhere, I believe on page 1175, you will
find more information about the development of the human brain.

Look, if you want to play "Hide and Seek", I won't bother.  If you'd like
to actually try coming up with some support for your claims, I assure you
that Gray's won't support them.  Gray's is an ANATOMY book.  It doesn't say
what works how and when.  It shows nice pictures of human brains at some
small number of different intervals.  It does not show brainwave patterns
associated with those periods.

> That's nice.  Funny how you don't seem willing to give them, when you
> demand them from everyone else.  And remember, no anti-abortion rags.
> REPUTABLE references.
 
I hope you find Grey's [sic] Anatomy to be to your liking ...

> Let's look at those numbers, then.  Announced this morning (on
> whatever network has the morning show with Bryan Gumbal on it - if you
> can't figure it out from that, then you don't really want references
> anyway; as I've been told, it doesn't have to be EASY to check -- just
> possible): the percentage of people living in poverty in the United
> States is now at the highest level since LBJ initiated the Great
> Society.

Oh.  If you can't find a book in a library given title, author, and
ISBN number, you aren't even trying.  When I give references, I usually
give at least two of the above.  If you ask I'll give all three, and I
might even throw in the publisher.

Now to answer the question at hand.

What is the percentage of Americans who are elderly as compared to
when Johnson was president?  What is the percentage of Americans who
are elderly who are considered to be living in poverty despite having
significantly more wealth than their younger counterparts?  What is
the percentage of American children living in single parent homes
now as compared to when Johnson was president?  What is the percentage
of those children whose mothers receive child support from the fathers
of those children and who child support payments aren't included in 
the income of the mother because she didn't earn it and therefore she
is in poverty?

You're being played for a sucker.  MANY of the people in "poverty" are
far richer than I am, and with a college degree and significant
experience as a programmer, I'm far from "poor".
-- 
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