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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: net.pest "Bloomberg" has never heard of Karabag?
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 22:49:58 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <7087@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu (Harry Bloomberg) writes:

>   What has happened to this net.pest?  Not that I want him back.  I

Have you ever heard of "Karabag"?


Bodies Mark Site of Karabagh Massacre:

"A local truce was enforced to allow the Azerbaijanis to collect their dead 
 and any refugees still hiding in the hills and forest.  All are the bodies 
 of ordinary people, dressed in the poor, ugly clorhing of workers. Of the 31 
 we saw only one policeman and two apparent national volunteers were wearing 
 uniform.  All the rest were civilians, including eight women and three small
 children. Two groups, apparently families, had fallen together, the children 
 cradled in the women's arms.  Several of them, including one small girl, had 
 terrible head injuries: only her face was left. Survivors have told how they 
 saw Armenians shooting them point blank as they lay on the ground."
 Anatol Lieven
 The Times (London), 3/3/92


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: U15231@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Placing Bets on Foetuses
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:52:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92288.125219U15231
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 12:25:44 EDT
To: hozo@math.lsa.umich.edu
From: BOSNET@math.msu.edu (Bosnian Electronic Network)
Reply-To: saiti@math.msu.edu
Organization: BOSNET (Bosnian Electronic Network)

Contribution by: Dzevat

Subject: Cetnicka zvjerstva - Muslimanski glas i Muslim world

MUSLIM VIEWS, August 92.

Placing bets on foetuses

The Serbs have added another gory twist to their barbaric practices.
Serbian soldiers and irregulars now place bets on pregnant Muslim women
to see what the gender the foetuses is.

The Serbs slit open the women's stomach, pull the foetus out to check
its gender and let the poor women bleed to death, reports Irfan Mirza, a
Muslim journalist currently in Bosnia-Herzegovina with the group of the
mujahideen from Afghanistan, Lebanon and Syria.

Irfan Mirza's first hand account was faxed to the offices of Crescent
International, together with another appeal from Zagreb, Croatia, signed
by several University professors and journalists appealing for help for
the Muslims interned in concentration camps run by the Serbs.

In the letter professor Mubera Maslich narrated the plight of the 12000
residents of Janja, a small town on the river Drina. The residents were
cut off from the outside world, but because they were witnesses to the
masacres that Serbs have perpetreted in various parts of Bosnia, they
are beeing punished with exacutions.

The residents of Janja had the horrible task of pulling out the bloated
bodies of Muslims as they floated down the Drina river.

They were, however, forrbiden to bury them in the local cemetary. The
Serbs insisted that the bodies be buried in the field in an attempt to
hide the evidence of their crimes.

On August 21, all the men were herded into the local stadium and that
night the Serbs started killing them one by one.

The letter, also signed by professor Nada Lusic, prof. Dr Mohammad
Zdralovic, journalist Hasan Ibrahimovic, Asmir Mujagic and Miralem
Causevic, makes an urgent appeal to the world for help.

Is anyone listening, though?

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From: sadi@physics2 (Sadi Turgut)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Wandering Minds Re: Typical Greek Foreign Policy
Date: 15 Oct 1992 07:41:38 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics2.berkeley.edu

In article <6805.3248.uupcb@factory.com> michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos)  writes:
>
>>foreign relations. After all, it was the same Greece that
>>tried to obstruct the Spanish enterance to NATO, fortunately
>>achieving little besides annoyance.
>
> In other words, Greece was the only country that had a problem with the
>admission and legitimisation  of Franco's openly Fasist dictatorial
>regime. Greece (and all Greeks) are very proud of that today. The

 Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Michael! Or should I say mot Michael? How did
you connect the events to Franco's regime? I thought Franco has gone
in 1975. (After the Greek Junta.)

>honorable stance of Karamanlis against Franco in the 60s, (esp the royal
>wedding incident) has become the basis for the warm relations between
>Spain and Greece today.

 Warm relations? Ha ha ha ha. Democratic Greece objects Democratic Spain!
Is this the warm relation of the Greek government? Ha ha ha ha. If you
don't know, let me tell you: Spain joined NATO in 1982. (which is also
the date of Greek reservations.)

>Michael.

 Sa`di (Barbarian at heart.)

-- 
  The Greeks have survived in spite of all the world could
do against them, and all they could do against themselves.
              --Sir Winston Churchill
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From: senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan)
Subject: Micheal has a 50 Mhz 486 Motherboard but he only knows DOS..
Originator: senel@irlsp
Organization: Insulting, Ridiculing, Forwarding Inc.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:01:28 GMT

> From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
> Subject: Micheal pays a lot of tax to US but does he knows English well?

>  Just one look at your subject line, dear Kahan, is enough to
> demonstrate that you are not that good in grammar yourself. Conjugate
> the verb 'To Know' 100 times before you re-post.

Oh-Moth-Micheal,

It was the part of the joke Mot Micheal. Can you imagine that
I make a mistake while I am correcting your English? he he he
Well, it seems that you forgot to turn your humor switch
on, while you were reading my posting. Anyway, you take it easy, 
don't forget to turn the switch on. ok?

> >You know Greek, English and French. You pay a lot of tax to the US.
> >You gave $70(+$14 tax) to IBM to buy OS/2 and you spent 2 days
> >struggling
>
>   Me pay for OS/2? That's my employer's job. It took me less than an
> hour to install, thank you (now the 50Mhz motherboard was a different
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> story). As for operating systems, I guess you are a UNIX kind of guy.
  ^^^^^^^                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Makes sense that a turk with no hakanes, em, kahones, would choose UNIX.

Well, well, well. How about working on DOS for 8 years, and 3 years
UNIX experience? It seems that you know only DOS. himmm. I like
DOS more than UNIX maybe because of my 50 Mhz EISA 486 computer, with 128 
Mbyte of memory (special design of Mylex), 4 Megs cache SCSI-2 controller, 
665 Mbytes of Microscience Hard Drive (13msec), 1.3 Gigabyte HP rewritable 
optical compact disk 70 msec, 40 Mhz 25 MIPS TMS34020-40 image processing 
card with 68 Mbytes of 2-port RAM. Of course I shouldn't forget 17 inch SVGA 
monitor and 21 Inch RGB monitor attached to image board and finally 2 CCD 
cameras, 1 NTSC camera attached to video image processing card. I will tell 
you something about Sparc 2 on my desk later if you continue to say something
about your low-level 50 Mhz Motherboard :-)....

> Take it easy, now...
>
> Michael.

  Take it easy Mot Micheal, 50 Mhz motherboard with 8 Mbytes of memory
is not enough. Say hello to your employer from me and say that "Hakan
laughed at my 50 Mhz motherboard." P5 is coming up in the first quarter
1993. Try to get one...

Hakan
-- 
___
God made the Idiot for practice, and then He saw that Asbest Bedrossian 
was born. He said "well, this seems pretty coooool."  -Hakan Senel 1992
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Back to "wieneramus the x-Soviet Jew": A genocide apologist exposed.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 21:02:02 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <718916874@locust.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener) writes:

>The following filth was posted in soc.culture.yugoslavia by
>Damir Matanic.  Why were you so eager to conceal this from

You can assert whatever you want. Still, that blind spot is typical 
of revisionists and those "wieneramus" who try to cover up and apologize 
for their crimes.

Source: "From Sardarapat to Sevres and Lausanne" by Avetis Aharonian. The 
Armenian Review, Vol. 16, No. 3-63, Autumn, Sep. 1963, pp. 47-57.

p. 52 (second paragraph).

"Your three chiefs, Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian are the ringleaders
 of the bands which have destroyed Tartar villages and have staged 
 massacres in Zangezour, Surmali, Etchmiadzin, and Zangibasar. This is
 intolerable. Look - and here he pointed to a file of official documents
 on the table - look at this, here in December are the reports of the last
 few months concerning ruined Tartar villages which my representative
 Wardrop has sent me. The official Tartar communique speaks of the
 destruction of 300 villages."

p. 54 (fifth paragraph).

"Yes, of course. I repeat, until this massacre of the Tartars is stopped
 and the three chiefs are not removed from your military leadership I
 hardly think we can supply you arms and ammunition."

"...it is the armed bands led by Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian who
 during the past months have raided and destroyed many Tartar villages in
 the regions of Surmali, Etchmiadzin, Zangezour, and Zangibasar. There are
 official charges of massacres."

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Fascist "enosis" mentality continues to survive in Greece.
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 17:18:49 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <6603.3248.uupcb@factory.com> michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos)  writes:

>  My tax dollars at work. Based on my IRS return, I give $8.72 every
>year to Turkey, and over $6,000 to the Pentagon so that they can go out
>there and play games like that. All this in one of the most travelled

Why should one trust "paliks"? The people of Turkiye know quite well 
that Greece and the Greek Cypriots will never abandon the idea of 
hellenizing Cyprus and will remain eternally hopeful of uniting it 
with Greece, someday, whatever the cost to the parties involved. The 
history speaks for itself. Greece was the sole perpetrator of invasion 
on that island when it sent its troops on July 15, 1974 in an attempt 
to topple the legitimate government of Archibishop Makarios. 

The release of Nikos Sampson, a member of EOKA [National Organization
of Cypriot Fighters] and a convicted terrorist, shows that the
'enosis' mentality continues to survive in Greece. One should not
forget that Sampson dedicated his life to annihilating the Turks
in Cyprus, committed murder to achieve this goal, and tried to
destroy the island's independence by annexing it to Greece. Of
course, the Greek governments will have to bear the consequences 
for this irresponsible conduct.

Starting from the Dardanelles the mainland Turkiye is surrounded 
with the 'Ege' islands all the way to 'Rodos.' In some places the 
Greek territory is only three miles away from the Turkish coasts. 
The Dodocanese islands in the Aegean Sea must be demilitarized 
in accordance with the Montreux Treaty (1936). Flouting this 
international accord, Greece has built extensive military air 
bases in these islands in an act of open aggression towards 
Turkiye. Furthermore, the people of Turkiye do not forget that 
the Greek governments provide the Armenian terrorists with safe 
haven, logistics and intelligence.
 
Wait, there is more. After the Ottoman Empire lost World War I, the 
British landed in 1919 a 200,000 Greek army in Izmir to exterminate 
the people of Turkiye. Are you suffering from a severe case of amnesia? 
The tired and defeated Turks rose up, formed a National Force under the 
leadership of Mustafa Kemal, and on August 30, 1922 they annihilated the 
bulk of the Greek Army. How soon you clowns forget? Why trust fascist 
Greek governments?

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: Guven.Guzeldere%STANFORD.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (hq.ggg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: f
Date: 13 Oct 1992 22:42:47 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

add trknws-l metin@ececho.ncsu.edu metin aydemir
rev trknws-l

To:  TRKNWS-L@USCVM
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Multiple postings
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 18:14:29 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Oct11.005749.19872@yang.earlham.edu> bent@yang.earlham.edu writes:

>To sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic):
>access UU.net.  I have few qualms with what you post; however, would you 
>please refrain from posting so many commentaries?  I am not referring to 

But, I never said a word about you posting so little commentaries.


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: TEX5HAD@CMS1.LEEDS.AC.UK (Haluk DEMIRBAG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: News
Date: 10 Oct 1992 00:25:45 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

TURKISH BUSINESSMEN ACTIVE IN ROMANIA

Turkish  Businessmen have  conquered the  Romanian market.  Since
Romania implemented a free market economy, more than 1400 Turkish
businessmen  are  active in  fields  such  as food,  electronics,
textiles, automobiles,  services and oil prospecting.  Items such
as  Duru brand  soaps,  Ulker biscuits,  Efes  Pilsen beer,  Kent
confectionery, Koska Halvah, and  the television factory built by
Vestel in Romania,  all supply items which are much  in demand in
the  country.  The 150  bakeries  throughout  the country  supply
Turkish bread  to the people  and the  bid awarded to  the Degere
Group for  oil exploration  is considered  a triumph  for Turkish
businessmen. The  Nuris Cafeteria, opened recently  in Bucharest,
is always  full, and  the number  of supermarkets  established by
Turks are on the increase.

The  Romanian market  of  23 million  is  ideal for  establishing
businesses which require small capital  and this results in 30-40
new  Turkish  firms  being  established  there  every  month.  By
choosing  wisely Turkish  firms  have  consolidated their  market
share, and  numarically they  occupy first place  in the  list of
foreign  capital firms  established in  the last  3 years  with a
total of over 16 million dollars.  By the end of 1992 this figure
is  expected  to  surpass   25  million  dollars.  Among  foreign
investors in the country Turkey is in the first ten.

TURKEY TO SUPPORT PROJECTS IN ALBANIA

Turkey will support a number  of projects in Albania according to
a joint economic  commission protocol signed last  June in Tirana
between Turkey and Albania,  which took effect after promulgation
in the Official Gazette.

According to the protocol,  Turkey will support fruit production,
modernization of  sugar and olive oil  refineries and small-scale
bakeries and measures to increase cement production.

The two countries  also plan regular exchanges  of information on
trade,  taxation  and  customs   and  cooperation  in  transport,
communications, agriculture, tourism and banking.

AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY PRODUCTION INCREASES 39%

Production in  the automotive  industry increased  by 39%  in the
first  eight  months of  1992 and  manufactured 209,455  vehicles
compared with the same period last year.

NEWSPOT, September 1992
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Turkiye fulfilled its lawful obligation.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:37:39 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Oct13.015136.28816@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis) writes:

> Turkey's still Ottoman  mentality, combound (initiated) with the divide 
> and conquer attitude of the (once upon a time "Great") imperial Britain,
> created this mess. Which is a mess for all: Greeks, Cypriots and Turks.

Now that's "tamtaming". Turkish forces are stationed in Cyprus in 
accordance with Turkiye's obligations under the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee 
and with the full consent of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. 
Turkiye does not maintain "occupation forces" on the island, as Hate-the-Turk 
club members allege, but provides effective guarantees for the security 
of the Turkish Cypriots, faced with a hostile and heavily armed neighbor 
in the south.

Third parties could do better justice to both peoples of Cyprus by making
the Greek Cypriot regime realize and accept that a solution can only be
found through dialogue that could lead to a bizonal, federal settlement
based on equal political status and participation of the two states in
Cyprus. This is pertinent at a time when the Greek Cypriot side, in
collaboration with Greece, has stepped up its hostile actions and 
worldwide propaganda campaign against the Turkish Cypriot government
and Turkiye.

In 1974, on the Island of Cyprus, Turks prevented Rightist Greek 
revolutionaries from toppling the Cypriot Makarios government. This 
involvement brought down the Rightest general's junta on the mainland
and allowed Greece to return to democracy.

For the record, Turkiye did not invade Cyprus. Turkiye fulfilled its 
lawful obligation, as Greece and Britain could also have done, to 
protect the integrity of Cyprus, which had fallen into the hands of 
the military junta then ruling Greece. Ironically, the Turkish action 
benefited Greece immensely by giving the Junta a bloody nose and opening 
the way for democracy to return to 'Atina.'

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: gurkan@ecn.purdue.edu (Ozgur Y Gurkan)
Subject: bu sadece bir testtir.
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:00:33 GMT

Herkese merhaba.
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: That the Turks of Thrace are Hellenic Muslims?
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 21:44:08 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <Bvztvn.Cr3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:


> Your imagination is far better than I initially thought.  When Turkey
> is closing her mouth about the condition of the Albanians in Skop(l)je,

Then we noticed the "tamtams". The Greeks have begun to escalate 
their terror on the Turkish population in Western Thrace. The local 
Greek radio FM 96.1 in Iskece has been exhorting Greeks to beat and 
kill the Turks. Greek thugs have been beating Turks while Greek police 
looked on and did nothing.

In regard to 17.5-Year-Old democracy, one could easily draw attention
to the minority rights of Albanians and Turks in Greece. The Greek
approach has been to deny that these ethnic groups exist, i.e.,
that the Turks of Thrace are Hellenic Muslims. The Greek approach
has been to refer to the minority problem in Thrace as a bunch
of people who want 'to speak Turkish and wear fezes.'

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "palik" navy: sea novices.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 18:15:26 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <6768.3248.uupcb@factory.com> michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos)  writes:

> THE GREEK NAVY DID NOT TAKE PART IN THIS EXERCISE!!!

How could they?

Source: THE EUROPEAN - 27-30 August 1992, page 13

Sea novices: Although famed as a maritime nation and despite being
surrounded by seas, a report has disclosed that only one in ten
conscripts called up to join the Greek navy can swim.


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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