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From: skm@IEDV4.acd.com ( Steve Moore         )
Subject: Re: deciphering time codes
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:31:45 GMT

In article <30SEP199212280068@erich.triumf.ca> bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett) writes:
>In article <BvE9HI.9L6@news.orst.edu>, kaufmanj@ucs.orst.edu (John Kaufman) writes...
>> Next month I will be doing some cruising in the Sea of Cortez. I am a novice
>>at celestial navigation, and plan to practice, practice, practice during my
>>time there. Obviously I need to synchronize my watch to precise GMT. Months
>>ago someone on the net posted a telephone number for time, as kept by the
>>Naval Observatory. I have called this number, and have gotten a series of
>>tonal beeps which I cannot decipher to set my watch. Can someone explain to
>>me how to decrypt these tones?
>
>This system is, I believe, used to set a _computer's_ clock - you are hearing
>modem tones.
>
>> 
>>Is there another source available to obtain accurate time? Is the local time
>>supplied over the telephone accurate enough for this purpose? The Naval
>>sciences department on campus here can't seem to answer my questions.
>> 
>
>The traditional source fro accurate time is US National Bureau of Standards
>(actually, they changed the name some time ago...) radio stations WWV and WWVH,
>which transmit in the shortwave bands, on 2.5, 5, 10, 15, 20 MHz.  the time is
>announced every minute.  Any reasonable shortwave receiver should be able to
>pick up these broadcasts - the particular frequency you can receive will vary
>with location and time of day.
>

You can also hear the NIST's WWV broadcasts via the telephone.
The number is (303) 499-7111.

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Steven K. Moore                                       (skm@acd4.acd.com)
Applied Computing Devices Inc.
Terre Haute, IN 47802  USA                          (812) 232-6051 x2047
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jim Beutel)
Subject: Colorado River Trip 10/09/92
Reply-To: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:44:35 GMT

Well it looks like the last trip of the year to the 
river. Anyone that is interested, Buckskin State camp
grounds at Parker, AZ. Friday night through Sunday.

Water skiing, Jetskiing, basic river trip action...!

Campgrounds have covered campsites, showers, restureant,
gas dock, game room with pool tables and bigscreen.

---
Jim Beutel	
Motorola SPS ASIC            beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com
1300 N. Alma School Rd       Computer Operations 
M/S CH290  AZ50              office:  (602) 821-4967
Chandler, Arizona 85224	     telefax: (602) 821-4963


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins)
Subject: Boat Enhancement Advice
Reply-To: keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 14:08:05 GMT



Hello,

I want to have some enhancements done to my
boat and I'm looking to the net for some
advice.

What I want to have done is have my halyards
run back to my cockpit.  Currently they are
just cleated off on the mast.  I own 
a 27' Hunter(1977).


This is what I believe I need to have done.

1) Winch installed on the deck near the cockpit
2) blocks at the foot of the mast to turn
   the halyards back toward the cockpit
3) stoppers installed near the new winch
   to clamp of the halyards once the
   sails have been raised.
4) new (longer) halyards

Anything else??

The halyards run down opposite sides of the mast
Is it still possible to run both halyards back to
the same point so as to share the winch between
both the main and jib halyards??  i.e. the jib
halyard would have to come diagonally across the
deck through the stoppers.  Potential problem here?

Any estimate on how much in labor I should expect
to have this work done??  (Not ready to try it
myself and potentitally screw it up!)

Are there any other Hunter owners out there who
have had done this?  I'd love to hear from you.

Thanks in advance for any advice,
Keith
From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Outboard tuneup
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:13:26 GMT
Organization: Microbial Pathogenesis and Motorcycle Maintenance

I've given up on the "professionals", and am trying to do my own
maintenance and adjustments on my Mercury 115 outboard. The
synchronization procedure involves setting the idle timing with the
throttle valves fully closed. Timing is measured when cranking the engine
with the starter. This was no problem. However, the engine idles too slow.
According to the manual, this is corrected by adjusting the idle speed
screw until the appropriate idle speed is obtained. This was no problem,
however, this results in the timing being further advanced, since the idle
speed screw also moves the timing advance. So the timing indication I get
when the engine is actually running at idle is significantly advanced over
the cranking timing with the throttle closed. Is this correct? The engine
runs great, idles great, and starts great in contrast to the condition it
was in after its last "professional" tuneup. Please EMAIL me, as this
probably isn't of general interest.

 - Steve
__________________________________________________________________________
Steve L. Moseley                                  moseley@u.washington.edu
Microbiology SC-42                                Phone: (206) 543-2820
University of Washington                          FAX:   (206) 543-8297
Seattle, WA 98195
From: larry@pdn.paradyne.com (Larry Swift)
Subject: Re: Novice boaters
Keywords: Stupid Ignorant Beginners Novice
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:48:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.142517.3753@cs.brown.edu> jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
>I've found that sending a burst of water past my prop (i.e., revving the engine
>briefly---like 3 seconds) will help me turn quite a lot, without adding much
>forward motion, particularly if I follow with a burst in reverse. It certainly
>doesn't solve the problem entirely, but it helps a lot, especially when
>docking.

Yes.  But of course it depends on other things such as
whether you've got a right or left hand wheel, how
heavy your craft is, and what your underwater configuration
looks like.  And if it's a heavy boat, with windage &
tide working against you, trying to hold position while
waiting for a bridge can be tricky indeed.

Larry Swift                     larry@pdn.paradyne.com
AT&T Paradyne, LG-132           Phone: (813) 530-8605
8545 - 126th Avenue, North      Gulfstar 37, aft cockpit
Largo, FL, 34649-2826           She's old and she's creaky, but she holds!

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: Cruising Boats (was Re: Book "Maiden Voyage")
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:46:56 GMT

In article <153@cherise.UUCP> bobp@sandr.com (Robert Parkinson) writes:
>
>The last time I saw him he was working at Fawcetts, and he told me 
>"Every day I work, it's another 5 days I can hang out in the Caribbean 
>without a care".

A great bit of philosophy. I read in a letter in SAIL magazine many years ago 
that some local old salt had said to a new boat owner that "there are folks
that work on their boats and folks that sail their boats. What the hell are
you doing tinkering with something unimportant when there's a clear sky and a
good breeze?" The point is well-taken: winter, or the still summer days in
the Chesapeake, or whenever, is the time right time to get your maintenance
done. Sailing time should be sailing time. A little touch-up work is a good
thing, of course, but when it keeps you from sailing, something's wrong. 
(To forestall flames, let me also point out that I am not proposing sailing
when your equipment is ready to collapse. If you see a corroded terminal on
your backstay, it's time to replace it, even if today is the nicest day of the
whole summer.  But if it's corroded now, it was probably a *little* corroded
in winter, when you could have had it repaired without losing time on the
water.) 

-John
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: bmyers@tc.fluke.COM (Bob Myers)
Subject: Re: Tax Advantage on a Live-aboard
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:58:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.141703.3585@walter.cray.com> u4946@cray.com (Scott Coyle) writes:
>Can anyone comment on the tax laws regarding the interest paid on a
>live-aboard craft?  Is it deductible as was (is?) a motorhome a few years
>back.. The motorhome was classified as a second/vaction home and thus
>interest paid was tax deductible like the interest on a regular home
>mortgage.. Are there any stipulations such as size, number of compartments,
>facilities on board, etc.?  Any insight would be greatly appreciated..
>

From my experience, in order to be able to deduct the interest on your
boat payments, you boat must have a galley and built-in head and shower.
You don't have to live aboard. This is according to a CPA I know.

I found the instructions to Form 1040 are fairly clear on this, unlike
most things.



-- 




"When I am inaccurate, I am definitively inaccurate."

Bob Myers
bmyers@tc.fluke.COM
From: bwilliam@oyster.smcm.edu (Bill Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Messing About the Chesapeake
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:21:39 GMT
Organization: St. Mary's College of Maryland
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d10
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X-XXDate: Fri, 2 Oct 92 20:23:50 GMT

In article <15755@borg.cs.unc.edu> Anselmo Lastra,
lastra@betelguese.cs.unc.edu writes:
>The Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum on the Eastern shore is a good
place
>to visit if you're interested in the maritime history of that area.
They
>have a good collection of local boats. Two of the boats, a skipjack
and
>an old powerboat take people out, but I don't know what the rules or
>hours are. I spent a lot of time poking around in their library.

There is also an excellent maritime musem down in our area, in
Solomons: 
the Calvert Marine Museum.  It, too, has boat rides.  They take you
around
the Solomons harbor and up the Patuxent River a way.  It's a much
shorter
drive from Annapolis than is Oxford, and I think it's nearly as
pretty. 
If you're down at dinner time, definitely check out The Drydock, in
Zahniser's Marina, but make reservations.
___________________________________
William E. Williams, bwilliam@oyster.smcm.edu
Divison of Natural Sciences and Mathematics
St. Mary's College of Maryland
St. Mary's City, MD 20686
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: petere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels)
Subject: Re: Ferrocement Boats (was Re: liveaboard sailboats)
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:11:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.215720.10241@mksol.dseg.ti.com>,
pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) wrote:
> 
> 
> In article <1992Sep28.152949.25720@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, wes@ian.stx.com (John S.) writes:
> >
> >Are there any cement boat owners here on the net? I've heard that they
> >have a distinct advantage over plastic or metal boats in that, if you
> >get stove in, the damage is more localized to the point of impact (no
> >large cracks). There used to be a builder in Southern Maryland that put
> >together hulls of about 35+ feet. They're obviously not racers. Anyone
> >here know anything about these kind of boats?
> >
> I know of at least two instances of f-c boats going hard aground in the surf
> and being pounded to dust.  In one instance (near Tavuanu (sp?)) a steel boat
> also went aground trying to rescue.  The steel boat lost its rudder and rig,
> but the crew from both boats spent the night on it and were towed off in the
> morning.
> 
> I also understand that they carry more of their hull weight above the waterline
> (percentage of hull weight) than a steel or glass boat.  This does nasty things
> to righting moments.
> 
> Finally, f-c construction is not your typical concrete method.  So getting
> repair work done is not a simple task.

Ferrocement hulls were a big fad among the cruising sailboat aficionados
about 20 years ago.  They were a brief fad, which quickly ran its cours,
because it soon became apparent that there were serious deficiencies to
ferrocement.
These included:
1.  The cost of the hull of a cruising sailboat amounts to only 25 to 30
percent of the final cost.  Thus, although the material cost was cheap, the
final savings were not significant.
2.  Ferrocement is a very heavy material, that results in slow, hwavy boats
that are not very stable, because the ferrocement topsides results in a lot
of weight up fairly high in the hull - just what you don't want in a
sailboat.
3.  Cement is a porous material, that tended to soak up a lot of water. 
Unless the hulls were sealed inside and out with epoxy, they were cold and
damp inside.
4.  It turned out that there was a chemical reaction between the
reinforcing steel, and the cement that was made worse in seawater.  Special
chemical additives (more cost, and expertise needed) were required to
reduce this problem to a manageable degree.
As a result, after about five years, ferrocement tended to fade from the
schene, to be replaced by the old standbys of wood, fibreglass amd metal
(steel or aluminum.  Another lesson learned.  You can still find
ferrocement hulls (usually unfinished) up on shore, particularly in West
Coast boatyards.  They were never very popular here in the East, where
boatowners tend to be a bit slower and more conservative in their
acceptance of new materials.

-Pete
From: dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Loud Boats (Was: Re: Novice boaters)
Date: 28 Sep 1992 20:55:44 GMT
Organization: Invictus
NNTP-Posting-Host: treefort.corp.sun.com
Keywords: Sails, mufflers, wetsuits, whipped cream, fire trucks...

In article <1992Sep28.171103.11801@cs.brown.edu> jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
>   Actually, this raises an intersting question: we have one story of a
>sailboat under power damaging someone at a marina. Has anyone got any stories 
>of sailboats under sail damaging them at marinas or moorings? Of course, there
>are likely to be fewer of these, because so few people sail around moorings
>these days, but I'm interested to see if there are *any*. If not, then
>there's some (not very conclusive) evidence that it's not such a risky
>business after all.

I was once hit by a sailboat while I was moored to a state-owned mooring buoy at
Angel Island in San Francisco Bay.  Some teenage boy had taken 2 girls for a ride
on a local sailing club's J-24, without permission.  The afternoon winds in SF Bay
can be quite stiff, especially for an inexperienced sailor with too much sail.  At
any rate, he managed to sail into the mooring area at full speed, completely out of
control, and t-boned my moored boat just in front of the mast.  He caused $1600 
damage.

Dudley
.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson)
Subject: Re: Cruising Boats (was Re: Book "Maiden Voyage")
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:00:39 GMT
Summary: solo circumnavigation is not a "just do it" thing

In article <1992Sep28.142549.14671@acd4.acd.com> dmb@IEDV4.acd.com ( Dave Barker ) writes:
>
>Wayne Simpson writes:
>>
>> She was poorly prepared skillwise for her trip. Look at it this way:
>>if she wanted to sail in a singlehanded trans Atlantic, she would not
>>have been accepted because she hadn't made her 2,000 mile solo qualifying
>>sail! But she survived, she learned, she improved and she grew more
>>competent as time went by. You have to give her credit for that.
> 
>	Her intention was not to sail in a singlehanded Transatlantic, though.
>	From what I gathered reading the book, her sole intention was to sail
>	around the world alone.

   And I would think that with this intention, she might have wanted to try
sailing her boat singlehanded across the harbor first. But she didn't even
do that. Nor was she skilled at celestial navigation (by her own admission)
at first. Nor did she bother to flush out her water tank before leaving
or learn to bleed her engine's fuel system. All skills that would have been
valuable to her in the early stages of her journey.
   The point I'm trying to make is that a solo circumnavigation is not a 
"just do it" thing. If it was, people would set off on windsurfers with no
food nor even a change of underwear. Most of Tania's early problems were
the result of poor planning and incomplete sea trials. If she had sailed
the boat for a week or two at the builders yard, he would have fixed the 
engine. If she had sailed the boat by herself to Martha's Vinyard or around
Long Island, she would have found out the water tank needed flushing before
it became really important to have that water. If she had spent some time
practising her celestial navigation, she would have felt more secure about
where she was and where she was going from the beginning.

>	Do the smaller Pacific Seacrafts have standing headroom? I

   I think they do, even the Flika (20 feet LOD).

>	Were the engines diesel ?(I don't remember Tania mentioning the
>	type of engine in the book.)

   I think it was a Bukh 10 horse diesel. After she got home it was looked
at by a decent mechanic and everything was fine after that. She probably
had an air leak in the fuel line or something. 99% of all diesel problems
are fuel problems.

Wayne Simpson (no fancy .sig this time)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: samson@ptd475a.erim.org (Joseph Samson)
Subject: Re: Sailing into a slip
In-reply-to: donr@hpcvcdo.cv.hp.com's message of Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:56:10 GMT
Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan
	<1992Oct5.165610.15194@hpcvca.cv.hp.com>
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:13:15


Don Reid writes:

>This summer I watched a member of our club teaching his adult daughter how
>to bring their thistle (a 19' 500Lb boat) into the dock.  The winds were
>15 kn with gusts to 20.  We were downwind of a large hill so the shifts 
>were significant.
>
>He had to come into the dock area on a reach which meant planing pretty fast.
>He would turn the boat sharply upwind and backwind the main by pushing the
>boom out.  He repeatedly brought the boat to a compleat stop within 6 inches
>of the dock.  After an hour or so, the daughter could do almost as well.


This summer I was watching an instructor for the American Youth Hostels
teach this same manuver on an Interlake (19' dinghy). What first caught
my attention was the boat racing toward shore. I couldn't figure out what
was going on until I saw the boat turn into the wind. Finally there was a loud
thump, and as Maxwell Smart used to say "Missed it by THAT MUCH".


	|	|    |
	|	|    v Wind
	| DOCK  |
	|	|
	________

	      ^
	      |
	      \_____________ Path of boat	

--
		Bacon!  You'll fry for this!
							Joe Samson
							ERIM
							PO Box 134001
							Ann Arbor MI 48113-4001
							(313) 994-1200 x2878
							samson@erim.org
From: ercn72@festival.ed.ac.uk (R.J.Hare)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Contessa yachts
Date: 1 Oct 92 07:06:58 GMT

somSomeomene was enquiring recently about the builders of Contessa yachts. Here is
the address
of the UK branch (the original branch , I think) of the company:

Rogers Yachts
Laundry Lane
Milford on Sea
Lymington
Hampshire
SO41 0WJ
Telephone 0590-645454
Fax:         o0590-642537

I don't know whether they still actually build Contessa 26's (which is what
the original messages were about).

Roger Hare.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dean@MorningStar.Com (Dean Schell)
Subject: Re: Lightning Sailors?
Organization: Morning Star Technologies
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:39:43 GMT

In article <fbaglew.168@cs-acad-lan.Lakeheadu.Ca> fbaglew@cs-acad-lan.Lakeheadu.Ca (Richard Glew) writes:
>
>A Lightning made by Tom Allen (from a new hull mold) and sailed by XXX 
>Macdonald (North Sails Canada) won both the Canadian Nationals and the North 
>Americans this summer.  I helped run the CDNs and noboby in the fleet had 
>sufficient speed to ever press MacDonald.  He won with all bullets.  Peter 
>Hall was a distant second place.
>
>My only advise would be to make sure the boats are legal before you buy 
>since Allen has produced illegal hulls in the past (Albacores in the mid 
>1970's), and MacDonald's boat had not been measured when I saw it in early 
>August.

Yeah, but didn't he have to get the boat measured, weighed, etc. before
the Nationals and North Americans?  I know that this is routinely done
at Thistle Nationals and would definitely expect it to be done for a
boat out a new mold.

-dean
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: tsai@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jeffrey C. Tsai)
Subject: Shortwave radio/recieiver
Keywords: ship-to-ship, ship-to-shore conversation
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:38:46 GMT


I am wondering if the off the shelf shortwave radio can
pick up coversation between ships or to shore station?
If so, at what frequency should I tune three radio to?

Will be interested to hear about the action out there while
I am not able to be out there.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Subject: Boat handling under sail (was: Re: Loud Boats (Was: Re: Novice boaters))
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:17:33 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
Keywords: Sail, docks, moorings, engine, control, safety

My experience is that most people who own sail boats have no real idea
what they can and can't do under sail. I think this is a serious mistake,
since from time to time you'll find yourself in a situation where you
need (or want) to be able to do things under sail. (Engines don't
always start, things don't always go as planned) Unless your mooring field
is incredibly tight (Tighter than most that I've seen) you should be able to
pick up a mooring under sail. Learning how to do this is very instructive,
if you've never tried. (Please find a nice empty part of the mooring field
and practice before you try it around a pile of boats) 

You can also sail up to a fair number of slips. Not all of them by any
stretch of the imagination, but you should darn well be able to bring your 
boat to a controlled stop at a fairly accessable slip. Again, take the
time to learn what your limits are, and how to do it. 

I think most people would be better sailors if they went out and figured
out how this all works. I learned the basics in sailing camp in my teens, and
racing dinghies without engines in college. It doesn't change much in bigger
boats, you need to learn how far the boat carries in what wind, how much it
takes to spin, and what space is too small to sail into to begin with, but
it just scales up. 


David W. Levine --  dwl@watson.ibm.com  -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
                   -- My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your
aim" - George Santayana  
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dbk@phx.mcd.mot.com (Dave Kinzer)
Subject: Re: Loud Boats (Was: Re: Novice boaters)
Summary: Right..
Reply-To: phx.mcd.mot.com!dbk@phx.mcd.mot.com (Dave Kinzer)
Organization: Motorola Analog Integrated Circuits Division
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:45:25 GMT

In article <50700044@hpscit.sc.hp.com> rog@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Roger Haaheim) writes:
>I've heard that owners of very loud boats have a psychological
>need to be noticed;  based on low self esteem or some such...
>Apparently it's the same for those with loud motorcycles,
>loud cars.  Any psychologists out there who can confirm or
>refute?

There seems to be no general agreement on this subject, but 9 out of 10
psychologists agree that the above description applies to people who
post inflamatory material in the middle of a flame war on USENET.
The other 10 percent think it is because the subjects are generally
ignored "in real life."


            * * *   Imminent use of deathnet predicted.   * * *             //
Dave Kinzer  (602)897-3085  asuvax!mcdphx!teroach!dbk  Opinions are mine. \X/
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