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From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:23:37 GMT

In <1993Jan7.195333.28152@voodoo.ca.boeing.com> mnb@mira.ca.boeing.com (Mike Burr) writes:
> 
>    "A special condition exist on a two-lane road when passing is unsafe.
>     When 5 or more vehicals from a line behind a slow moving vehicle, the
>     slower driver must allow vehicles to pass by turning of the roadway
>     and stopping in a safe place."

>Notice that this *only* applies to two-lane roads when passing is unsafe.
>Notice also that the obstruction vehicle must be moving "slowly".  You
>can debate that term if you want but I don't beleive a vehicle traveling
>at the posted speed would be legally considered "slow". 

Quoting from RCW 46.61.427,  "Slow moving vehicle to pull off
roadway", 

"As used in this section a slow moving vehicle is one which is 
proceeding at a rate of speed less than the normal flow of traffic 
at the particular time and place."

This suggests to me that if speeding is the norm, as it is in
many areas, driving at the limit makes you "slow" for the
purposes of this law.  On the other hand, if most drivers go 35
in a particular 45mph zone, for whatever reason, you aren't
"slow" just because you're going less than the limit.
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: pierceha@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Heather Pierce)
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:59:45 GMT

  I am a slow driver (between 58-65 mph on freeways).  I stay in the slow lanes
as much as possible.  What you suggest I do when I have to take a f****g 
Right hand exit?  Like going south on I5 and taking I405 at Southcenter or
going north on I5 and taking the express lanes.  Also note I become a VERY
SLOW driver when someone tailgates me.  I always figure that if I am in
an accident caused by some fool who refuses to pass me, I had better be
able to say " I was doing the legal limit."
  My personal fantasy for tailgaters would be to have a gun mounted in
the trunk and when they get within a car length (depending on speed), have
their radiator shot out.
  My personal fantasy about people who forget to dim their brights while
behind someone...Have a reflecting surface shine it back in their faces...
a mirror would do.

:WQ
:wq
From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:00:16 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: glia.biostr.washington.edu

In <1ianp1INNdl9@shelley.u.washington.edu> tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:

>[The original poster's lines are too long.  I've deleted spaces between
> words in some places to shrink the line length]

>In article <3040@uswnvg.uswnvg.com> hcorbin@uswnvg.com (Harold Corbin) writes:
>>Why isit that people are always givingme dirty looks when they pass me on the 
>>highway and I'm driving 60 in a 55 MPH zone?

>[He goes on to complain about people not respecting the law]

>Yo! 60 > 55.  Before you start complaining about other people speeding,
>maybe you should cool you own jets, first, Mario...


>--Tim Smith

Well, I'm a 55'er, and it's hard sometimes to stay *exactly* at 55, especially
when you are simply keeping up with the general flow of traffic.  55 may be
a safe speed, when all others around you are going 60, it's a downright HAZARD.
 
Anyway, when people start blinking at me and acting like a$$holes, I look at
my speedometer, and if I'm going over 55 (simply because I'm keeping pace with
the majority of the traffic) I will let the turkey by and hope he gets nabbed.
Then I will slow my speed back to 55, if safe to do so.  (ie, no one else 
tailgating...)

Crystal
   :>
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: alpinist@eskimo.com (David Butler)
Subject: Re: doomsdayer
Organization: =>ESKIMO NORTH (206) 367-3837 SEATTLE, WA.<=
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:45:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.180115.1271@kopachuk.uucp> dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman) writes:
>In article <1993Jan2.012434.6037@eskimo.com> alpinist@eskimo.com (David Butler) writes:
>>Your 'if' is a fantasy ideal (like frictionless planes).  There already isn't
>>enough food to sustain life in the real world at 'current' population levels.

>There's plenty of food.  Food rots in warehouses in this country while
>the government pays farmers (who are going bankrupt because the market
>price of what they produce is less than the cost of producting it)
>not to grow crops for which there is no demand, and all the while more
>and more productive land is being paved over for business parks - 
>because its the cheapest land available.  This doesn't sound like
>a plausible scenario in a world on the brink of starvation. The main
>problem is one of distribution.  Look at Somalia.  That country could
>easily feed its own people - but all the "powerful interests" seem
>interested in is fighting to the death for political control of the
>starving population.  *That's* not an *agricultural* problem.

Like I said, in the "real world" we cannot feed current population
levels.  Millions of people are starving to death around the world
this very minute.  Overpopulation is here today, right now, we cannot
feed the people that are currently alive.  In an ideal world, in your
dreams or fiction, everyone can be fed.  In the real world they cannot.
 

-- 
Dave                | Truth is the most valuable thing we have.
alpinist@eskimo.com | Let us economize it. - Mark Twain
Newsgroups: seattle.general,seattle.admin,pnw.general
From: sharon@tc.fluke.COM (Sharon Drasnin)
Subject: electric signs
Keywords: signs
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: seattle
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:12:28 GMT


	Hi,

	Can anyone recommend to me a reasonable price (cheap) company that
will make an electric sign for a business.  The sign may or may not go on
a pole.  I've been calling sign companies in the yellow pages; however, I
will appreciate any recommendations.


	thanks,
	sharon
	sharon@tc.fluke.com
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: nick@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Nick Leiterman)
Subject: test
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:13:34 GMT

This is a test
-- 
     Nick Leiterman, Kent Washington
     nick@bcstec.boeing.com
     
     "International Harvester, anything else is just a car"
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: bradley@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Kevin Bradley)
Subject: Technical Illustrations
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Distribution: seattle
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:52:02 GMT

The following is posted for an associate.

----------------------------

I am looking for a freelance technical illustrator to provide highly
detailed computer-generated drawings for a Macintosh platform.  Be prepared
to provide samples of your work.

If interested, please contact Dianne at 631-3345.

----------------------------

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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: 6sigma@halcyon.com (Six Sigma CASE (Brian L. Matthews))
Subject: Re: Gun buy back failure
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 18:01:02 GMT

In article <C0K3K1.L66@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> robs@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert Sipe) writes:
|   Well, it was in the paper today, page 1 section B Seattle PI.
|Murders near record In Seattle.  It appears that the well
|intentioned but highly unrealistic idea of a gun buyback did
|not keep the murder rate from reaching all time highs.  More
|than half of the 60 murders were committed with a gun.

Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, how do you know there wouldn't
have been 70 (or 80, or 100 (but probably not 450 :-))) murders without
the gun buyback program?

Brian
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: mnb@mira.ca.boeing.com (Mike Burr)
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Organization: BoGART Graphics Development
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:23:36 GMT


>In article <1550@nazgul.UUCP> bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright) writes:
>It is also the law:
>       Keep right except to pass.
>       Slower traffic keep right.
>If there is a lane to the right of you, and you are blocking traffic, you
>are legally required to move over to let them pass.

This makes a lot of sense on roads where there are six or more lanes,
(three each direction), or where there isn't heavy traffic, bad weather, etc.
but consider your typical four lane road in 
heavy traffic or bad weather (where constant lane changing is not 
practical nor safe)...

The speeders have taken over the left lane, and the folks who wish
to drive less than the speed limit are in the right lane - so where do
the people who wish to obey the law and drive *at* the posted speed drive?

You've got 3 groups of individuals and only 2 lanes.  One group clearly
has to "conform" to one of the other driving methods if everybody is going
to be on the road at the same time.  Who should it be?  The really slow
folks in the right lane are there for a reason.  Either them or their car
can't handle anymore speed... they are incapable of conforming.  That leaves
people obeying the law and people not obeying the law.... hmmm who deserves
to be on the road more....

In summary, I am reasonable when the circumstances allow it... but
I won't subject myself (or those around me) to constant lane changing in
heavy traffic, or adverse weather, to allow someone to exceed the speed
limit.  Nor will I sit in the right hand lane and go *under* the speed
limit so someone else can go *over* the speed limit.  Unfortunatly, there
are plenty of folks out there who in this situtation feel that their desire
to get to their destination quickly is paramount to my desire to get to my
destination quickly, *and* legally, *and* safely.


-- 
Michael Burr  Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA
              Email:mnb@voodoo.ca.boeing.com
From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Date: 7 Jan 93 03:52:28 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: glia.biostr.washington.edu

In <1993Jan6.232432.4907@mdd.comm.mot.com> mccart@mdd.comm.mot.com (Gary McCartney) writes:

>Why has no one mentioned that it is not only courteous to move over from the 
>left lane, but it is now a law that you are only to be in the left lane to
>pass?


You still have to wonder why anyone would BE passing cars that are going 55.
(left lane or not).

And my guess is that few people even KNOW that law...have you studied that
left lane lately...not much has changed, and it has been, what, since July 1,
1992?

Crystal
  ;>
From: danw@fuji (Dan Williams - Contractor)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: moving boxes
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:11:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sierra Geophysics Inc.,  Kirkland, Wa
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3


I have a whole pile of moving boxes in my Garage that I need to get rid of.  I 
need a place to park my car.
They are located in the Juanita area of Kirkland.  I want $50 for the whole pile,
including two wardrobes,lamp boxes,china packers, etc...
--

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-------------------------------------------------------------
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Email: danw@sierra.COM		and no-one elses.
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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: klg@statsci.com (Kevin L. Gross)
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Reply-To: klg@statsci.com (Kevin L. Gross)
Organization: Statistical Sciences, Inc
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:56:19 GMT

ten0772@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com (Timothy E. Neto ) writes:
   	A few years ago I used to ride motorcycles, and more than
   	once I had to treat traffic signals like a stop sign.  It
   	seems a motorcycle's mass or magnetic metals is/are insufficient
   	to trip the traffic signal.  I remember once having to get off
   	my 'cycle to press a walk button with a police officer watching.
   	The officer just shook his head with empathy.
   
Just put the kickstand down near the rubber over the metal detector strips.
Works 95% of the time, run the light with impunity the other 5%.

-- 
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 This message is protected under the 1st Amendment to the Constitution
 of the United States of America. I'm protected under the 4th, 5th, 9th
 and 14th Amendments among others, or at least I used to be.
From: dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:16:14 GMT
Organization: I don't speak for them anyway.

In article <1993Jan8.040654.5572@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com> ten0772@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com (Timothy E. Neto ) writes:
>
>Also,  If you do come up upon some traveling slower than you in fast
>lane, don't flash your headlights upon them till they hav had a chance
>to move over.  I have found that if I am following someone that if I
>back off until the other driver can move over, the other driver will
>usually maintain a high speed, than if I were flashing my headlights
>or tailgating said driver.  Just my $0.02....

No shit.

Now *there* is the clue of the year.


     Donn Pedro ....................................dfpedro@uswnvg.com

		     There are no ordinary moments.


Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: Jeffrey Luszcz <jrl2@cornell.edu>
Subject: Student seeking summer engineering job (resume enclosed)
X-Xxdate: Mon, 4 Jan 93 22: 33:11 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: jrl2@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:29:17 GMT


   I plan on being in the Seattle area this summer and am looking for a
summer job
in the engineering field. I am a student at Cornell University in
Operations Research.
I will be in Seattle visiting relatives from January 10-19. If anyone is
looking for
a student intern or is offering summer employment I would enjoy talking
with you.
I am willing to perform any job as long as it is related to engineering
or computers.
If you want anymore information send me email at
cc2x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu or
even call me collect.
  Thanks,
     -Jeff Luszcz

        	        	       	 Jeffrey R. Luszcz

Current Address	        	       	       	       	Home Address
315 College Ave., Apt#4	        	       	       	Box 1793
Ithaca, NY 14850	       	       	       	       	Sag Harbor, NY 11963
(607) 256-4109		        	       	       	       	(516) 725-4553

Objective		
        	A summer engineering internship in which I can combine 
        	my experience with computer systems and my background 
        	in Operations Research.

Education
        	Cornell University, College of Engineering,  Ithaca, NY
        	School of Operations Research & Industrial Engineering
        	Candidate for Bachelor of Science Degree, May 1994

Work Experience 		 
    	Computer Facility Supervisor	Aug 92 - Present
     Cornell Information Technologies	 
			   Cornell University,  Ithaca,NY
        	Supervising Computer Facility containing 50 Macintoshes     
        	Trouble-shooting Network and Computer problems
        	Helping students with programming errors and difficulties,      
       
        	using System 7, and other applications

     Consultant	Oct 92 - Present
     Christopher George Real Estate, Ithaca, NY
        	Instructing realtors in use of Macintosh computer system
        	Performing regular backups of customer data
        	Optimized system and installed anti-virus software

     Computer and Software  Installer     	Nov 91 - Jun 92  
     LTV, Inc.,  East Hampton, NY
        	Installed and set up IBM-PC computers and printers    
        	Installed database  and accounting software for organization     
        	Trained  fund raising director in use of IBM-PC/DOS, 
	       	Lotus  1-2-3, Q&A Database, and PFS:Write
        	Generated reports of viewer contributions and video tape clip
        	library using Q&A Database

Computer Skills
		      	C, Pascal, 80x86, 680x0 Assembly, Basic, Fortran, VMS,
        	VM/CMS, RT-11, RSX-11M, Unix, MS-DOS/Windows, System 7, 
        	Mach, MatLab, Mathematica, Write Now, AppleTalk networking, 
        	Internet services

Activities		
       Co-director Cornell Antique Computer Club 		Oct 92 - Present			
       Association of Computer Science Undergraduates 	1991 - Present
				   Cornell Ham Radio Club
	 			  Refurbishing PDP-11 computer systems
       Homebrewing
				   Cornell Outing Club
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From: zander@sumax.seattleu.edu (Carol Zander)
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: Folk music concert, Friday, Jan 15 -- Utah Phillips
Date: 11 Jan 93 02:17:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.1isdjoINN7d7
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Seattle University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu


The Seattle Folklore Society presents in concert

			  U. Utah Phillips
             The Golden Voice of the Great Southwest 

this Friday, January 15 at 8:00 pm at The New Melody in Seattle
(5213 Ballard Ave NW, Ballard).  Tickets are $12 general, $10 for
SFS members.  Call 235-8816 for advance ticket information.

Utah Phillips is a wonderful all-around entertainer ... he's a
singer, storyteller, humorist, and a whole lot of fun.
See you there.
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: mnb@mira.ca.boeing.com (Mike Burr)
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Organization: BoGART Graphics Development
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:14:02 GMT

>In article <1550@nazgul.UUCP> bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright) writes:
>It is also the law:
>       Keep right except to pass.
>       Slower traffic keep right.
>If there is a lane to the right of you, and you are blocking traffic, you
>are legally required to move over to let them pass.

This makes a lot of sense on roads where there are six or more lanes,
(three each direction), but consider your typical four lane road in 
heavy traffic or bad weather (where constant lane changing is not 
practical nor safe)...

The speeders have taken over the left lane, and the folks who wish
to drive less than the speed limit are in the right lane - so where do
the people who wish to obey the law and drive *at* the posted speed drive?

You've got 3 groups of individuals and only 2 lanes.  One group clearly
has to "conform" to one of the other driving methods if everybody is going
to be on the road at the same time.  Who should it be?  The really slow
folks in the right lane are there for a reason.  Either them or their car
can't handle anymore speed... they are incapable of conforming.  That leaves
people obeying the law and people not obeying the law.... hmmm who deserves
to be on the road more....

In summary, I try to be reasonable when the circumstances allow it... but
I won't subject myself (or those around me) to constant lane changing in
heavy traffic, or adverse weather, to allow someone to exceed the speed
limit.  Nor will I sit in the right hand lane and go *under* the speed
limit so someone else can go *over* the speed limit.  Unfortunatly, there
are plenty of folks out there who in this situtation feel that their desire
to get to their destination quickly is paramount to my desire to get to my
destination quickly, *and* legally, *and* safely.


-- 
Michael Burr  Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA
              Email:mnb@voodoo.ca.boeing.com
From: dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:58:02 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: I don't speak for them anyway.

In article <1559@nazgul.UUCP> bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright) writes:
:In article <1389@brat.wa.com> donn@brat.wa.com (Donn Pedro) writes:
:/fuck the hyped up idiots who feel tailgating is incentive enought to get me
:/to break the law and get a ticket because I'm the one in front who
:/gets busted by the radar (happened on my last ticket).
:
:Tailgating in preparation to pass on a 2 lane road is the safest way as it
:minimizes the distance you need in the left lane. 

Unless I have to stop.  Remember, the car behind me cannot see everything
in front of me.

I also point out that few of those I speak of attempt to pass when
it is clear, or cannot because it is not safe due to road conditions.

:I hope there is a
:distinction between doing that and tailgating merely to annoy the car
:in front.

I hope there is too.  If someone is setting up to pass, I have no problem
with it.  I will even wave them by when an good opportunity persents itself.

:If you've ever tried to pass cars when you have a '68 Volkswagen Bus, you
:know what I mean! A courteous passee would tap the brakes when being passed
:by an underpowered car in order to help him get around.

I sometimes do that too.  It couldn't hurt.  Well, maybe my pride, but
I save that for other things.   :-)




     Donn Pedro ....................................dfpedro@uswnvg.com

		     There are no ordinary moments.
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: gee7759@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Glenn Elliott)
Subject: Re: Why CAN'T people drive 55?!
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:16:52 GMT

Robert J. Hall (hall@bcstec.ca.boeing.com) wrote:
: There's a certain irony in people who quote the law that says you must move	
: to the right lane to get out of the way of people who are violating the law	
: by exceeding the speed limit.

I don't find it ironic at all, when you consider that the first poster implied
that s/he did not feel that s/he was breaking the law by staying in the left
lane.  In fact, the first poster was breaking both laws, as s/he claimed to
have been driving 60 in a 55 zone...

I find it amusing that the Washington State Legislature would pass both laws.
Of course, the 55 MPH speed limit is federally mandated if we want any federal
highway money, but the "keep right except to pass" law is an obvious attempt
to make it safer (and easier) to speed.

On the other subject currently being discussed in this thread, my car's gas
mileage peaks right around 60 or 62, but is fairly constant from 55 to 64.
It begins to drop off significantly just over 64, so I usually set my cruise
control at 62.5 or so.  Conveniently, it seems that the State Patrol won't
stop you for speeding unless you are going at least 10 MPH over the limit.
Because of this mileage behavior, I drive 60-65 even in the 65 MPH "rural"
zones.

Glenn

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From: kylee@eskimo.com (K.Y. Lee)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: "Gates," a biography of Guess who
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:12:00 GMT
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<

While in a car this afternoon, I caught the tail end of John Hintenberger
talk show.  He had Stephen Manes and Paul Amdrews talking about their
new book "Gates,"  which received high marks by Times/PI last Sunday review,
especially for their thorough research.

When asked about Microsoft spinoffs, they said there are many software
companies that spun off from big-M (my word).  They singled out one
company, ATL!  Now, if that is ATL I, and probably most of us, know of,
it is Advanced Technology Laboratory.  That company was founded probably
before Bill Gates learned to write.  It has over 1000 employees, and
they do not make money selling DOS applications.  So much for their
thorough research!   Come to think of it, isn't Boeing another spinoff
from the Big-M?

kylee@eskimo.com