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From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt)
Subject: GOBs Pick6: continuing string of apologies
Summary: Why quit when I'm behind?
Keywords: NASCAR GOBS Pick6
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:23:08 GMT


Well, the bleeping SGI is still down.  This alleged system upgrade has
apparently really hosed it.  However, picks are coming in on the Sun,
so that makes me feel better.  There *WILL* be a Pick6 this week, even
if I have to reenter all the damn code by hand!

Darlington results whenever I can get at them... another in what is
becoming a hit series of apologies.  Maybe I need to figure out how
I can start doing this at home...

Dave
From: scolucci@vax1.tcd.ie
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Jordan-Yamaha
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:17:47 GMT
Organization: Trinity College Dublin

>>Indeed, I can still remember an exasperated Eddie Jordan during a TV interview
>>asking rhetorically whether F1 respected contracts any more.
> 
> They don't. Ask Prost.

My point entirely - the Art of the Deal, no doubt.


>>Gee Mark, us Trinners bods are everywhere. On the day I post my first ever item
>>in NEWS I get a FOLLOWUP from somebody only a few yards from my perch above in 
>>Genetics and then I notice a poster from the EngSoc advertising a three-day trip
>>to the Silverstone GP for 35 quid, all incl. (!). We *are* a fine University
>>after all!!
> 
> Your the first Trinner I found in .sport,. How
> DO you use Vax? What course are you doing? Did you go on that trip?
> I saw the notice too late. The trip was actually to Eddies
> complex which is located beside the circuit. if you wanted to see
> the grand prix it would cost you c$170 ticket in.
> 
> 
> Mark

OK then; at the risk of getting us flamed for not sticking to the newsgroup
topic (apologies in advance to all concerned):
I'm a final-year Genetics student. (With the finals happening next month,
should I be at this terminal atall!)
I've got one of those UD:G0154 accounts on the VAX. (Look at my E-MAIL address
on top of the screen, man!).
With regards to the Jordan trip, what you said was news to me. I read
it (admittedly out of the corner of my eye a couple of days ago as I was 
scooting through Front Arch on my way to catching a bus) as being a trip to the
"....Britain GP, 3 days, full accomm. &35....". Though I will willingly bow to
the superior knowledge of a Maths student who would undoubtedly have the time to
go through the small print. Obviously I didn't go on the trip, though I would
have if I'd known about it in time.

ciao
Serge
From: naze@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel J Naze)
Subject: Indy Car Fuel WAS Re: RE:F1:Magic Fuels etc....
Originator: naze@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:41:07 GMT

The Methanol that the IndyCar teams use is all supplied by the Ashland Oil
Co. ( the valvoline people ) no matter what the main sponser of your car is.
I believe they have a contract to supply it.  Ashland was making a big stink
a few weeks ago when IndyCar sold rights to have the Phoenix race broadcast 
on TV as the Ford 200;It was already under contract to be the Valvoline 200.
So Ashland Oil threatened to pull their support and methanol supply, and Ford
eventually withdrew from their end of the whole hokey deal.

Dan Naze

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From: naren@fang.att.com (Narendra Chauhan)
Subject: Re: F1 Schedule, esp. British GP and French? GP
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:31:55 GMT

From article <83553@bu.edu>, by nicos@csa.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos):
> 
> March      1  South Africa (Kyalami)
> March     22  Mexico (Mexico City)
> April      5  Brazil (Interlagos)
> May        3  Spain (Katalunia)
> May       17  St Marino (Imola)
> May       31  Monaco
> June      14  Canada (Montreal)
> July       5  France ( ? )

  July      12  Great Britain (Silverstone)

> July      26  Germany (Hokenheim)
> August    16  Hungary (Hungaroring)
> August    30  Belgium (Francorsan)
> September 13  Italy (Monza)
> September 27  Portugal (Estoril)
> October   18  Japan (Suzuka)

  October   25  Japan (Suzuka)

> November   1  Australia (Adelaid)

  November   8  Australia (Adelaide)

> 
> ----------------
> 
> In case of some race being cancelled:
> October    4  Spain (Hereth)

                       Jerez

> 
> 
> (Please correct my spelling, where appropriate :-(
> 
> 
> NOTE: British GP ????? You have to be kidding...
> 
> 
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From: joeh@ami.sps.mot.com (Joe Hollinger)
Subject: Re: F1 - water injection.
Organization: /u/mosquito/u00/joeh/.organization
	<3623@wyse.wyse.com>
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:43:56

In article <3623@wyse.wyse.com> ken@wyse.wyse.com (Ken Drottar x2582 dept303) writes:

>	   I think John is being VERY silly. Assuming that Leo
>	   meant to express the latter, there is a very reasonable
>	   explanation. It doesn't have much to do with water vapor.
>	   It has to do with air temperature. When the air cools, it
>	   is denser. The engine performs better for the same reasons
>	   you would expect adding a turbo or a nitrous canister. The
>	   air now has more oxygen in it. 

Okay, but does wet air contain more or less oxygen than dry air? My
understanding is that wet air is less dense since H20 molecules
displace heavier O2 molecules. Actual oxygen content in the atmosphere
is pretty narrowly constrained, at least in the part we live in, since
people don't do too well below 19% or above 22% (memory there, correct
me if I'm incorrect). Maybe the temperature effect is dominant but my
guess is that the whole thing is quite a bit more complex than one
might guess. 
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From: gene@wucs1.wustl.edu (_Floor_)
Subject: Re: Williams FW15
Organization: The K-Zoo Crew
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 05:32:48 GMT

In article <llBJ1LC@uop.uop.edu> iong@madvax.uop.edu writes:
] things, ABS and a fully automatic gearbox!!!

I cerainly hope so! For two reasons. First, its always great to see
new technologies being tried and employed in these state of the art
Formula 1 cars. As someone interested in the development of such
technologies, I think its great to see this happen. Secondly, you
can bet that new toys bring new troubles. For example, regard the
Honda/McLaren camp's new chassis and engine woes. This may just
give the opportunity for the Williams/Renault cars to break down
as much as the Hondas...or dare I say...the Ferraris! Of course, it
is also possible (and highly likely with a team like Williams) that
all the bugs in the FW15 have already been worked out. After all,
they aren't in the rush Honda/McLaren was.

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From: rbt@dracut.keps.kodak.com (Bob Tufts)
Subject: Re: IndyCar (Long Beach)
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:08:17 GMT

In article <LMS.92Apr12195400@rle-vlsi.mit.edu> lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu writes:
> 
> 
> Darnt $#%^%@$#&$^%$%$ Boston ABC affiliate (WBsomething) _always_
> preempts the race and instead show "more interesting" stuff like Star
> Search or some moronic thing....
> 
> Does anyone in the Boston area manage to see the race ?  How ?  Do you
> happen to have a tape of it (hope, hope, hope...).
> 
> Thanks for any reply.
> 
> -Miguel
> 
Anybody that's been in Boston for a while knows that WCVB NEVER shows ANY
auto racing except the Indy 500. They like to think of themselves as "Family
TV" and somehow auto racing has no socially redeeming value to them. Many have
called to complain, but to no avail. I'm waiting for the day when "Chet & 
Natalie with their Muppet friends" preempts the Indy 500. :-(   Until then,
give your eyes over to CH 9 in New Hampster (Who this week had someting else
on for the first time) or CH 12 in RI (who didn't let me down). Unfortunately
my cable system caries neither of these channels, but my roof antenna still
works fine! :-)

-Bob T.
From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1: What happened to Senna in the Brazilian GP ?
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:58:56 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA


  [The following posting contains nothing but rampant speculation.]
  [(and a few spoilers if you know nothing about the Brazilian GP)]

While I was watching the Brazilian GP I surmised that Senna was having
some kind of gearbox problems. There was obviously no problem with HP,
as he was able to run away from Schumacher on the straights, or with
his brakes - that was obvious by the way he regained his position,
getting inside Schumacher by starting braking deeper into the corner.
So, I hypothesised, Senna is having some sort of gearbox problems in
the corners - he appears to be missing downshifts.  Upshifts did not
seem to be a problem - just the downshifts.  Then I remembered what
an earlier poster had said about the McLaren semi-automatic gearbox;
it only needed one touch to start an upshift/downshift sequence, and
would continue to change gears as necessary to keep the engine in the
power band.  I also remembered what a post from much longer ago had
said about listening to the F1 cars going through a corner; you could
always tell which car belonged to Senna, because he was continually
'blipping' the throttle in the corners.  Aha! I said. Maybe Senna is
still doing this, and confusing the gearbox selection logic; maybe a
foot on the throttle is interpreted by the gearbox as time to stop a
downshift sequence.
There again, maybe the gearbox just isn't race tough yet. We'll never
know, but we need something to talk about until the next F1 race :-)
From: gfritz@sage.cc.purdue.edu ("Happy Fun Ball")
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: DeLorean info request
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:48:48 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

Hello everyone.  I am doing some research for personal curiousity, and I would
like to compile as much information as possible about John DeLorean, DeLorean
Motor Company, and the DMC-12.  Facts as well as rumors.  Good books on the
subject.  Good periodical articles.  Word of mouth.  Are there archives of
articles which have been converted to electronic text?  Like I said before,
any and all sources are wanted.

This request will be posted in several groups which I thought appropriate.  As
If you regulars feel that this post has been placed inapropriately, then I will
apologise in advance since I do not read these groups regularly and may not
know what is taboo.

Please respond via e-mail, as I no time to sift through these newsgroups.  I
also send my thanks in advance, and please don't get offended by not receiving
a personal note of thanks.  "Thank you all for your help."

Geoff Fritz

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From: helen@ziggys.cts.com (Helen of Troy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: When Will Mopar Return????
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:07:23 GMT
Organization: Ziggy's Den Of Iniquity, East of East SD CA

I was wondering when Mopar will return to Nascar.... I know they don't 
have a car to fit the requirements, but it really bums me out.  Nascar is 
practically a Chevy & Ford race (practically), but I think if Mopars 
returned there would be a greater excitement in Nascar.  Anyone out there 
wish to speculate on this?.... 

P.S.
Until Mopar Returns Make Mine FORD.
                        
                                Linda
From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Winning and !winning (was Re: F1: Piquet)
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:39:46 GMT
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd

In <5APR199221420779@utarlg.uta.edu> b790zcd@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley) writes:

>In article <thos.702513817@suite.sw.oz.au>, thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes...
>>In <1992Apr2.153632.2921@fs7.ece.cmu.edu> mayor@bayes.ece.cmu.edu (Gilberto S. Mayor) writes:
>> 
>>>>Would you prefer to watch someone winning races or winning a championship?
>>>>I'd rather watch a driver like Gilles Villeneuve trying to win each and 
>>>>every lap, than someone like Piquet, content to collect championship 
>>>>points for second or third places.
>> 
>>>I can not agree with you. What is the goal of F1 ? Obviously it is win the
>>>championship. Every sport has its own rules. If points were given to the
>> 
>>As Stirling Moss put it "you may drive fast, you may even win races but 
>>unless you take every corner as fast as you can, you're not a racing
>>driver" (quote necessarily mangled by memory.)
>> 
>Yeah, but, Stirling Moss never won a chapionship, so I guess that makes
>him a poor source of quote.

Guess again. If you take the World Championship by itself to be the pinnacle
maybe.  As I said in reply to another post, I don't see the Championship
to be the be all to end all. Stirling Moss never won the championship
true, but the whole thread started because someone (Bruce McCulley?)
said that a racer is one who finishes, usually winning. My definition
of a racer is more in line with Moss's above quote. If you do not drive
as fast as your car is capable of going, then you are just collecting
starting money.

All this reminds me of a quote from 'Spy Story' by Len Deighton :
"You show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser"

>George.

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From: jjuanyse@neumann.une.oz.au (Aguila Solitaria)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Mexican GP race standings: Request
Keywords: Mexican GP request
Date: 7 Apr 92 09:22:50 GMT


	Hola everyone,

	I'm collecting the data for this year's F1 circuit, as I've done it
for the last two years, but I missed the information about the final 
standings of the Mexican GP. I have everything else, but the actual race.
Please, could anyone with this info e-mail it to me. I'll be very grateful,
as it will let me update my F1 information. 

	Thanks in advance,

        Luis Alberto Laredo                   University of New England
 	llaredo@mihi.une.oz.au                 Armidale, NSW, Australia
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport

| If things stay the same between Williams and McLaren this year Senna's
| stats will dip under Prost's at the end of the season. Then you will have
| the Prost Fans rubb it in by telling you that Prost is such a great driver
| that he can overcome Senna's stats while he is not even racing.

> This is nonsense!
> What does it prove?

That these stats are bogus, which is the point of my previous posting :-)

You assume that I am a Prost fan. This is not true. I quit being a Prost
fan after the 89 Japan grand prix (eventhough I happen to think that the 
accident was Senna's fault: You don't try to pass somebody you are 
competing with for the title the same way you pass back markers.)
I didn't care for Prost's role in having Senna black flagged. 
Senna might have deserved the flag for eccessive ego anyway but having 
Prost go cry to the race officials makes the entire affair 
much to suspicious. 
I expect my heroes to be gracious in the face of defeat. What's the point
of winning if the victory leaves a bad taste in the mouth of your fans :-)

One thing I do miss though is having both Prost and Senna on the same team.
At least there was excitment before, during and after the race.
With a little luck the Benetton will get just a little bit better,
and the McLaren just a little bit worst, so we can see some good battles
before the end of the season.

bruno.  







bruno.
From: ron@mpd.tandem.com (Ron Boerger)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: there I was, there I was, .... in CS, TX   (ARCA)
Keywords: zoom fast TWS
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:45:54 GMT
Reply-To: ron@mpd.tandem.com (Ron Boerger)
Organization: Tandem Computers-MPD, Austin, Tx

(regarding Texas World track configuration, etc.)

At ARCA practice on Saturday, the statement was made that, during a closed
testing session (earlier this year), Mario Andretti set the track record at 
234+ MPH (in an indy car).  Track configuration is the same as it was before
the rework - still a 2 mile oval (though there is a road course inside the
oval as well).

The ARCA race on Sunday was won by local GM racer (and part-time NASCAR Winston
Cup driver) Eddie Bierschwale (sp), who, according to published reports took
the lead from Clifford Allison with two laps left and hung on for the victory.
I'm sure Eddie was happy to win the race - his NASCAR career has been in a
slow downward spiral and maybe this will give his team a bit of a boost.  BTW
he also set the ARCA record in qualifying on Saturday with a 183.5+ MPH run,
nipping the previous day's record.

The rather dull Texas Int'd Driver's Assoc (TIDA) late model event on Saturday
(a 100k event) was dominated by Slick Yoeman's Tbird, his second consecutive
victory at TWS.  Slick's qualifying time was ~2 seconds faster than the #2
qualifier, and he wasn't challenged during the race.

Ron
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From: mason@habs11.enet.dec.com (Gary Mason)
Subject: Driving today and yesterday
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 15 APR 92 07:46:16 EST

Anyone want to try this one?

I was raised in sports cars (late '50s through 60's). In those days, the
driver's bible was Taruffi's book. I understand power slides, four wheel
drifts, etc., and have performed many...but not for a loooong time. I am
trying to understand, from a driver's perspective, and without a chance in 
the world that I will ever be in an appropriate car, what the driver's
sensations are in these days when the modern cars seem to track at all times
(apparently). Is it really "break loose at all and you're gone"? How does one
sense the edge in these ground effects machines? Is there a lightness that
signals you?

I understand that this is not an easy question, but if you try, I will be
appreciative.

Cheers...Gary
mason@habs11.enet.dec.com
From: mcculley@racy.zko.dec.com (Bruce McCulley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mclaren Throttle/Ron Dennis
Keywords: RON DENNIS BITES
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:10:32 GMT
Reply-To: mcculley@racy.zko.dec.com (Bruce McCulley)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Mar23.172505.1592@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com>, 
wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) writes:
 
|> Then I watched this weekends CART and F1 races.
 
|> The CART race had two full course yellow early on, just to tow in disabled
|> cars!  {...discussion of how this was " amateurish " deleted...}

|> By contrast, the F1 race had some midfield carnage on the start, and plenty
|> of spins and failures later, without ever requiring the leaders to miss a
|> beat.  I guess it really does come down to racing versus entertainment.
{...more deletions...}

|> I can accept that the Indy 500, or any 500 mile race for that matter, is
|> a different kind of competition, involving a lot of tactics and factors
|> apart from pure performance on the track.  A road course event less than
|> two hours long, however, should be a straight fight between drivers/cars.


I assume (and hope!) that propogation delays mean Dave's post refers to the
last previous races, not this weekend's events.  The Phoenix IndyCar race
is certainly not a road course event!

Phoenix is relevent though.  The lap time there is between 40 and 45 seconds.
That is just too fast to run with anything but a full-course yellow.  Removal
of cars from ovals requires a tow, the cranes used in F1 street circuits
would be prohibitively expensive and also objectionable to spectator sight
lines at oval track races.  

Street races for IndyCars could arguably be handled without a full course 
yellow, but probably not if cars are towed in.  F1 does not tow cars in,
they use cranes and winches to remove them.  F1 also costs a whole heck of
a lot more for an event, probably not just coincidentally.  Trying to tow
a car in while covering with a local yellow is not a good idea, IMHO as a
flag worker of twenty years experience.  The risk is just too great at the
speeds of F1 or IndyCars to risk the hazard of local coverage of a moving
tow, or of leaving the wrecked cars in exposed locations.

It aint great as it, but the alternatives are worse.  F1 is willing to
increase cost to benefit competition, IndyCars make a different tradeoff.
Of course, the US can not afford the F1 pricetag anymore, wonder if there
may be a connection?
From: rjh@mobius.maths.monash.edu.au (Robin Humble)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1 Champs since 1960 ++
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:36:23 GMT
Organization: Monash University (Murray Walker Dept of F1 Commentary)

Could someone please mail me a list of F1 World Champions since 1960.
Also I was asked an interesting (and macabre) question recently:

      Did any of these champions win posthumously?

Not being an amazing trivia buff, I have no idea.
Anyone know?

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rjh@mobius.maths.monash.edu.au                 __
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From: pmh2962@zeus.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: there I was, there I was, there I was ... in College Station, TX...
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:26:00 GMT
Organization: Department of Meteorology, TAMU
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Howdy!
	Sorry, couldn't resist.  Gotta lay off the TV ... my wife won't
let me ZAP the commercials ....

	Anyway -- someone (George) asked about IndyCar testing at Texas
World Speedway.  Nope -- it was closed to the public.  The Haas team booked
the track (late Feb-early Mar ?) for a weekend and only let the local TV
station in for a short time (30 sec clip on the evening news).  A prepared
press release appeared in our local rag the next day.

	Sure wish NASCAR or IndyCar would get a race scheduled here...I
can't make the ARCA race this weekend.

Pat Hayes--Meteorology--TAMU  INT: pmh@tamu.edu  BIT: pmh2962@tamzeus *whoop*
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