HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Crowd size at abortion rights march
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:38:00 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Independence
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <18002@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes...
>Hold it....I see a definite problem with your math here. I saw the rally
>on TV, and 20 per 100 sq. ft. (about the size of a medium bedroom in
>a house in the D.C. area) would still not account for the shoulder to
>shoulder jamm packed view I saw.
> 
>Not only that, but how did the densest areas have less than the standing
>areas?
> 
>Leave the counting to those who supposedly have some expertise in this
>area. I'd go with the 500,000 (which I think was probably a little low)
>before I'd even think of listening to your number.



I meant the densest areas where people were =seated=. I should
have been clearer on that point. The areas where people were
standing had about twice that density. This was on the Mall.
Again, if there were more people at the Ellipse, then they went
elsewhere than to the Mall. 

The appearance on TV of mobs of people densely packed is
an illusion created by telephoto lenses.

I point out again that in remarks to me, Capt. Hugh Irwin of the
Park Police aggreed with me that they overestimate. He told me
in 1990 that they give the "benefit of the doubt" to the march
leaders. This meant that for an April 1990 march, for example,
that where they estimated the crowd at somewhere between 99,000
and 198,000, they "rounded it up" to 200,000 and gave that as
the official count. Obviously, that is a possible inflation by a
factor of two. 

As for Metro ridership counts, folks looking to point to that
as justifying enormous attendance estimates should be reminded
that Metro was quoted this time as saying that the excess 
ridership about equaled that tallied for the 1989 demonstration.

As for "leaving the counting" to the "experts," that's just
the acceptance of authority that we try to question on
Usenet, don't we? But then, I don't work for the military...
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: rlb@access.digex.com (Richard L. Butler)
Subject: Re: MD Lotto (6 nums) for 4/8?
Organization: The Fourth Drawer on the Left, Second Column
Distribution: dc
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 20:38:08 GMT

lidl@sura.net (Kurt J. Lidl) writes:
>frost@helix.nih.gov (James P. Goltz) writes:
>>Anyone know what the Maryland 6-number Lotto numbers were for
>>Wednesday, 4/8?
>
>Look!  Zero information content postings.

Well, how's this:

Why doesn't the poster turn over his winning ticket and call the number on
the back to find out what the winning numbers are?  It's a little time-
consuming, but they do have a system that allows to to eventually find out
what the numbers were for a given week.

And he can give me ten percent for passing this useful information on.

NOT (as they say).
-- 
 Richard L. Butler             rlb@access.digex.com             301-220-2020
 Digital Express Group, 6006 Greenbelt Road #228, Greenbelt, Maryland  20770
   **** Express Access: Online Communications in Washington/Baltimore ****
   * login as "new" for info, 301-220-0462 (Wash) or 410-766-1855 (Balt) *
From: lito@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Angelito Lucena)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: uunet phone/address
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:48:59 GMT
Reply-To: lito@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Angelito Lucena)
Distribution: dc
Organization: David Taylor Research Center, Carderock

hi,

i have a friend who is interested in setting up a uucp
site.  can someone please email info on how to contact
the uunet folks and arrange for a hookup and newsfeed??

thanks much,
lito lucena
lito@oasys.dt.navy.mil
 now at  :  dtmb, cdhq, nwsc          'if the defaults weren't good enough,
 formerly: dtrc, carderock                  they wouldn't be defaults.....'
							bill's sister
From: Liz.Lane@p938.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Liz Lane)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Newsgroup Distribution
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 11:34:06 -0500

 DN> 	and this *is* dc.general.  something i noted.  i was poking 
 DN> around in the rnrsc of nature.berkeley.edu, and was rather supprised
 DN> to find almost all the dc.*.groups listed!
 DN> 	it would appear that regardless of your distribution attributes,
 DN> the groups' posts go out where ever they want.  i post a local add about
 DN> a local charity related event and carefully set the distribution to d.c.,
 DN> and md., and received a response from oregon and washington state, each.

Distribution of usenet posts can be limited in two ways. Sites can restrict
the number of groups they receive, and often choose not to carry area-
specific groups from other regions. (Friends of mine at Duke, for example,
have not been able to get the DC.* groups.) In addition, many newsreaders
offer the poster the ability to restrict distribution to local, regional,
or national sites. The default in most cases in full (international) 
distribution.

Another aspect of distribution is that a person's geographic location does
not necessarily indicate his/her instistutional affiliation. I'll be
relocating to Alabama this summer, but plan to hold onto my DC area Fido
account. So limiting distribution to "DC" wouldn't shut me out.


Newsgroups: um.general,dc.general,rec.food.veg,talk.politics.animals
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 17:49:05 EDT
From: Cynthia S. Gaver <CGAVER@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: dc.general,rec.food.veg,talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: UPC chicken vigil at Perdue plant in Salisbury

Congratulations on the organization of this event!  Good luck to anyone who
would take on the likes of Frank Perdue, who offended the likes of Oprah
Winfrey and sentient beings everywhere including his very own staff.  What
better way to spend a spring day by raising consciousness on the Eastern Shore!
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: darth@eng.umd.edu (Debbie Greenberg)
Subject: Re: Sunday's NOW Protest
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 12:35:49 GMT
Organization: St. Anthony's Home for the Occasionally Coherent
Followup-To: talk.abortion
Distribution: dc


Abortion is a very emotional issue.  Before this group gets into it,
lets move the discussion to talk.abortion.


Debbie

- Not the dc.general police, just a concerned reader recognizing a
- sensitive issue which has the potential for much further
- discussion.

-- 
-- Debbie Greenberg                                        darth@eng.umd.edu --
-- XDB Systems, Inc.  14700 Sweitzer Ln, Laurel, MD 20707 USA   301/317-6800 --
From: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Airport Noise
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:51:49 GMT
Reply-To: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Distribution: dc
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Does anyone know of a contact point for a local
organization against aircraft noise ? A name and
phone number or e-mail address would be most 
appreciated.  Actually, if there is a terrorist
organization running operations against National
I might also be interested B->.

Thanks-

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From: sardella@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tom Sardella)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Boston->DC Trip
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:18:43 GMT
Distribution: dc
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center/Code 532

In article <1992Apr7.161108.1086@ERA.COM> jimw@ERA.COM (Jim Widzinski) writes:
>
>Does anyone have a best way for traveling from BOSTON to DC?
>
>I am looking for the quickest, safest, and least crowded route.
>
>Any help would be appreciated.
>
>Travel is during the week in the afternoon.

I'll second all the previous comments about taking the Tappan Zee bridge,
Garden State Parkway, NJ Turnpike, etc.  I took I-95 once through Connecticut
and over the George Washington Bridge in NYC and swore I'd never do it again.

One thing that I'll add is make sure you pack a lot of dollar bills and
change, especially quarters.  There are a lot of toll booths between DC
and Boston and having exact change will speed up your trip.

	Tom Sardella
	NASA/GSFC
	Greenbelt, MD
	sardella@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: arritter@helix.nih.gov (Alice R. Ritter)
Subject: Re: Hotel/B&B Recommendations Desired
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:39:05 GMT

I'm sorry to contradict you on this, but my family had
a TERRIBLE experience at the Capitol Hill Hotel.  They
were up here for graduation, and stayed there 2 nights.
Both nights they were disturbed by LOUD partying going
on, which calls to the manager failed to have any effect.
On top of it all, one of the idiots at the party pulled the
fire alarm at 3 am, forcing everyone to evacuate the
building.
Since it was raining & my 2 elderly aunts were forced to
use the stairway, this was THE WORST!

We tried to get a refund or at least a reduction in the
amount they had to pay, but to no avail.

I would not recommend this hotel to anyone!
alice ritter
.
From: sommer@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Sommer)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: How to order Bay Bridge tickets
Date: 16 Apr 92 11:46:40 GMT
Reply-To: sommer@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Dave Sommer)
Distribution: dc
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Annapolis, MD, Code 3511

In dc.general, karl@grebyn.com (Karl A. Nyberg) writes:
>
>Also, if you were planning to stop at the McDonald's or Wendy's just this
>side of the bridge (we commonly do to walk the dog, etc), you now have to
>take the access road exit about a mile BEFORE where the light at McDonald's
>used to be.  

Coming from DC, this is exit 29A (Busch's Frontage Road -- consider
eating at Busch's Chesapeake Inn, and dinner and a show (currently
Oklahoma!) at the Annapolis Dinner Theater) -- for 7-11, Hardee's and
Denny's, use exit 29B (Cape St.  Claire).  If you miss these, exit 30
is JUST beyond Wendy's (and Angler's) and you can come back in seconds
to businesses on both sides of US 50-301.

Coming from the Bay Bridge, use exit 29 and turn left for Busch's, ADT,
MacD's, Wendy's; go right for 7-11, Hardee's, and Denny's.  (There is
no exit 30 westbound.)

>I guess they had too many accidents at that intersection (we
>saw the results of two coming back last summer).
>

Actually, they are upgrading the highway from the Capital Beltway to the
Bay Bridge to Interstate.  The portion from the beltway almost to US 301
and from just west of Annapolis to the Bridge are done.  They have just
started on the middle part (2-3 years).  Yes, it was a very dangerous
intersection and the new interchange has made getting to the other side
of US 50 a breeze and MUCH safer.  Unfortunately, not being a cloverleaf,
it can be quite confusing to non-locals.

>-- Karl --
>

I have no connection with any of the above-mentioned businesses, I just
live about a mile from the new intersection.
From: bryan@npri6.npri.com (Bryan Smith)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Bay Bridge Walk May 3, 1992
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:13:11 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

Henry.M..Halff@p932.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Henry M. Halff) writes:


> JB> The William Preston Lane, Jr. Memorial Bridge Walk will be held
> JB> Sunday, May 3, 1992 on the Bay Bridge, of course.

>And, as usual, there's a run (10K) before the walk.

>hh

At what time do both of these events start.

Thank you.
Newsgroups: um.general,dc.general,misc.wanted
From: chosen@wam.umd.edu (Greg Cohen)
Subject: Summer sublet in College Park $210/month
Originator: chosen@rac2.wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Distribution: dc
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:19:26 GMT

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Newsgroups: dc.general
From: jisaac@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Jean C. Isaac)
Subject: for rent
Keywords: for rent
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va.
Distribution: dc
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:58:19 GMT




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From: dlee@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Lee)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Sunday's NOW Protest
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:35:04 GMT
Reply-To: dlee@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Lee)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In dc.general, declan@seas.gwu.edu (Declan McCullagh) writes:
>Did anyone go to Sunday's NOW rally?  I just got back, and was just
>blown away by the size of the crowd there.  I wasn't at last year's,
>but friends who were said there were a lot more people this year.
>There might have been 750,000 people marching today.
		       ^^^^^^^

Washington Post today cite a figure of 500,000 attendees for the rally..
.
.
.
.
..
Newsgroups: dc.general
From: sohrab@seas.gwu.edu (Sohrab Aidun)
Subject: where to fish in VA beach
Originator: sohrab@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: dc
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:11:41 GMT


Hello:

    I am looking for suggestions for deepsea fishing in VA Beach.
There will be about 5 to 8 people in out party and we are looking for
private charte sort of thing.  If you know of some places that are
priced O.K. send me their name and/or number via email.

Thank you in advance.


Sohrab@seas.gwu.edu
From: warsaw@nlm.nih.gov (Barry A. Warsaw)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Crowd size at abortion rights march
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:03:47 GMT
	<1992Apr8.123705.16039@access.digex.com>
Reply-To: warsaw@nlm.nih.gov (Barry A. Warsaw)
Organization: Century Computing, Inc.


>>>>> "James" == James Treworgy <jamie@access.digex.com> writes:

    James> Just curious... how did you arrive at this estimate? As a
    James> good comparison, RFK stadium holds 70,000 people.

not that this has anything to do with anything, but i thought RFK held
on the order of 55k people, not 70k (for football games, that is, not
concerts, etc).
Newsgroups: um.general,um.housing,dc.general,dc.housing,misc.wanted
From: genesch@envnet2.gsfc.nasa.gov (Gene Schwartzman)
Subject: Housemate wanted!!!
Originator: asdfjkl@rac1.wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Distribution: dc
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:04:31 GMT

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Newsgroups: dc.general
From: rauletta@sitevax.gmu.edu (R. J. Auletta)
Subject: Re: Crowd size at abortion rights march
Summary:  Aerial Survey Estimators
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:29:12 GMT


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Newsgroups: dc.general
From: freytag@seas.gwu.edu (Richard Freytag)
Subject: Comm. LISP position
Summary: 1yr exp. CLISP programming position available
Keywords: Common LISP, job, simulation
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: dc
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:07:49 GMT

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From: biow@cs.umd.edu (Christopher Biow)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Sunday's NOW Protest
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:38:37 GMT
Followup-To: talk.abortion
Distribution: dc
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

[Inflammatory statement opposing any choice for anyone ever]
[Inflammatory statement opposing life for the born and unborn]

Please discuss, argue, flame, etc. at will. But not on dc.general.
That's why the good Lord made Followup lines.
From: Deacon.Maccubbin@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Deacon Maccubbin)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: SUNDAY'S NOW PROTEST
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 12:20:39 -0500

My hubbie and I (and several of our employees) were at the march...and have the
sore feet to prove it. ;) It WAS an impressive crowd, made even more so by the
large number of women candidates for national office who were present. Even the
Park Service (notorious for underestimating crowd sizes) says there were half a
million participants. That would make it one of the largest political marches in
Washington history (the Gay Rights march of 1987 being the largest with about
650,000). Now if only all those people get ten others to accompany them to the
polls in November...
From: kellsworth@pbs.org (Video Magician)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: Need a good auto mechanic
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:25:39 EDT
Organization: Third floor, across from the computer room.

In article <1992Apr7.222602.23389@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, 
	schieb@isis.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian D. Schieber) writes:
> know [a good auto mechanic] you'd recommend?
>

Where are you located?  I've had good luck with Butler's Automotive 
Service in Rockville.  If that's convenient, call them at 301-762-3865.

If you are looking for auto body work, try Continental Auto Body.  
Their phone is 301-424-2484.  Ask for Bill Davis.

---------------
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Editor
Public Broadcasting Service

aka: KELLSWORTH@PBS.ORG

Xref: sparky um.general:251 dc.general:761 rec.food.veg:4324 talk.politics.animals:4995
From: cherry@access.digex.com (Cherry Poptart)
Subject: Re: FLAME: UPC chicken vigil at Perdue plant in Salisbury
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:34:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.170438.12326@almserv.uucp> amiller@ddn-wms.ddn.mil writes:
>Was this posted April 1st!
>
>What toe-jam licking in-breed hasn't got better things to do with their time,
>or better causes to support than Chicken Rights.
>
>I, as a programmer, have worked for a large poultry company, and enjoyed vivisecting
>the stupid young birds to test their health.  ;-]
>
>The only thing dumber than a chicken is someone who would waste a spring day on the
>eastern shore protesting the city's largest employer in an otherwise depresed economy.
>
>		Go hug a root and give us a break;
>
>
>				Andrew
>
>

Andrew, if you will post things in 80
character or less lines, I'll blow you
a kiss...

Love YA!!!

Cherry

Newsgroups: dc.general,alt.california
From: cboes@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Christopher Boes)
Subject: Bob Dobs
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: Church of the sub-genius
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:14:46 GMT


Where is Bob?  Does any one have any info. about Bob Dobs and where
he was last spotted?

-Chris
cboes@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
From: uehling@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Dana Uehling - Code 522)
Newsgroups: dc.general
Subject: Re: CROWD SIZE AT ABORTION RIGHTS
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:26:15 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

In article <702979574.F00001@blkcat.UUCP> Deacon.Maccubbin@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Deacon Maccubbin) writes:
>How then do you explain the increased ridership on Metro on Sunday? Obviously,

I know a lot of people that went to DC, not for the march, but to see the
Cherry Blossoms. (earlier reports had said they would be at their peak then)
Also, I believe their was also a counter demonstration going on though I have
no idea how large that was.

[I don't really have an opinion or care what the count was. I just wanted to
point out that demonstrations aren't the only thing that draw peple to DC.]
Newsgroups: um.general,dc.general,rec.food.veg,talk.politics.animals
From: seiler@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ed Seiler)
Subject: Re: UPC chicken vigil at Perdue plant in Salisbury
Organization: Hughes/STX
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:24:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.061611.23355@seas.gwu.edu>, rmccask@seas.gwu.edu (Randy McCaskill) writes:

[stuff deleted]

> I am a meat eater.  I like the taste of meat and I feel that there is
> nothing wrong with eating meat.  I will admit that I like my steak
> well done though.  I feel sorry for anyone that limits what they are
> allowed to eat in life.  The world has so many different tastes and I
> want to try them all.  Then I'll go back and concentrate on the ones I
> liked.
> 
> -Randy

  Really? What do you think of monkey brains, sheep's testicles, dog, cat,
and insects? Surely you wouldn't limit yourself so much that you wouldn't
eat these. In fact, considering the large number of insect and plant species
on this planet, and your desire to try all of the worlds tastes, I don't see
how you even get around to eating any kind of meat more than once. My guess
is that YOU are the one who limits what you eat in life. So maybe you should
feel sorry for yourself.

Ed Seiler
seiler@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov