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From: mss1@cec1.wustl.edu (Muhammad Sajid Saeed)
Subject: Mirza Ghalib's Tantrums
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:31:23 GMT


			Mirza-going-Pinky-Ghalib


>>	An earth shocking confession was made by the lyric writers of
>>the punk band Pink Floyd. The writers, who chose to be anonymous, accepted in
>    ^^^^^^
>	punk, have you lost your mind, Prog Rock is more like it.
Oh really? Caustic acid rock is absolutely it! And if you still have a problem,
go write to the National Enquirer.

				-0-
>>an interview with the Enquirer that their lyrics had actually been written by
>>an Indian poet Mirza Asad-ullah Ghalib. Mirza Ghalib is one of the foremost
>>Urdu poets of India.
>>
>	Please leave uncle out of this.
You are missing the picture here! Or are you 'faking it' with your avuncular
feelings?
				-0-
>>as an alcoholic, penniless Eastern poet", Gilxxxx said. "But what a great dude
>>she actually is", he added, in his deeply doped voice.
>>
>	Damn the cover is blown, I told him not to say any thing to any
>	body, I will have to have a talk with him, Look what happend to
>	'Pani'.

I had a talk with Waters. He had something else to say. And yes, the sheets
are off (or "the cover is blown" as you say)!

				-0-

>>
>>Moral of the story, you ask? GHALIB and FLOYD are inseparable !!!!!
>
>	Well what can I say. ;-)
Ha! Doped delusions! Dream on...

				-0-


>Faryal /* Pink Floyd */ Ghalib // alive and kicking...
I ran the above line through my compiler, and the messages he spat out were
hardly syntax errors. He was deeply offended!

				-0-
>--

			Sajid [Sphinx] Saeed


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Subject: Want me to reply to A. Hussain's "beliefs"?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:50:31 GMT


   I feel that Arhsad Hussain's beliefs are not worth replying to.
   However, if there is any rational person who wants me to reply to him
I will.

--
  "Someone is gonna get hurt before the night is through."
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 14:33:53 EDT
From: Mahfooz Ahmed Jafry <32JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: 'burqa and muslim women'
 <1992Apr6.141815.9509@sarah.albany.edu>
 <92098.05041332JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
 <1992Apr7.232206.21036@sarah.albany.edu>

Salam Alaikum Yasmin Sahebah:

        I am sorry I wrote wrong spelling for your name.  I am busy in my exam
and you already took many issue in hand.   First of all we will discuss 'parada
h' and its legitimacy from Quran.  This is the issue only. Please note.  I repe
ate please note.   Second what kind of paradah whether jalabeeb or what ? we wi
ll disucss later.  You mentioned verses of Ahzab and noor and wrote that these
are not clear and instructions were given to the direct family of prophet(s).
Please remember we declined Maudoodi and now we are near to declining Prophet
(S) and you are declining Quranic verses and saying it is vague and not clear.
I give u only on topic now 'legitimacy of pardah from Quran' only and then
we will proceed ahead.  I have a question that both we are muslim, even we
assume average muslim, we read quran and hadith and we pray then what is
the concept of 'Saleh Masshrah' 'A pure social structure' as per teaching
of Holy Quran.  What is the source of it, and we can formulate it.  As many
people are following us in the netnews and I receive e-mail, and I am not
discussing with anyone to lay him down, but to disucssing to know and find
out the facts which is better for me and for everybody and Allah is witness
to that we are writing and arguing.  So I will wait for your posting for


'Saleh Maashra'.  There will be many urdu and Arabic terminology will be in use

 d so if you do not understand, please ask me for clarification.
Second I am not Aalim, what I know I will disucss and try to update my readings
  I am writing for one day post and one reading for readers (conclusive) that
what the idea you have as per Quran and Sunnah 'Maasharah Saleh', a good practi
cing environement for muslims and what is the source of it.  Then we will proce
ed ahead.  You can also ask me question of the same nature for clarification, s
pecific question one question in one time.  After this reply we will proceed th
e legitimacy of paradah in Islam.  Salam Alaikum


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: vu0208@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (??)
Subject: Re: Can science come back to Islam [Part 2]
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 05:14:33 GMT

In article <11780@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.141946.7468@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu> vu0208@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (??) writes:
>>
>>Whole Quran is full of scientific information from astronomy to
>>medical science...! Before even Kepler, Copernicus, or Galileo
>>muslims knew from Quran that earth (or even sun) is not the center of
>>the universe, earth is not flat, the universe is expanding, stars die
>>and decay producing  dwarfs or blackholes, and much more stuff that
>>my friend science have *yet* to discover!
>>
>>
>
>Somehow I get this feeling that Quran mentioning dwarfs and blackholes
>is an exaggeration. Modern science has not yet fully understood these
>bodies. Does the Quran give any more information on them apart from 
         ------------------------------------------------------------
>what is already known today. It would be nice to have the information
 ----------------------------
>right out of a book rather than waste billions of dollars in research. 
>
>regards,
>E-mail - gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu       |   /   All Std. Disclaimers apply.
>


Not exactly in those terms "dwarfs and black holes" Mr. Gopal. But
Quran does give signs and clues to these phenomenons and other exotic
stuff like relativistic effects! (and these signs are for those who
ponder and research). Remember Quran is for *all* the times, it has
many many things scientifically and other wise, that are yet to be seen
(discovered). So don't think that what ever we know today in science
already exceeds the Quranic knowledge so that Quran has become
obsolete or something (i know you didn't say that!).

Imagine asking that underlined question of yours 14 centuries ago!!
You may realize that we are 14 centuries behind the schedule due to
our arrogant nature of doing things "hit-and-try" way rather than
following the leads from Quran. Yes indeed we have wasted Billions of
dollars and time on things that needed open minded approach. We could
have been in much more advanced state of science than we are now had
we followed the Quranic signs (hope you get it).

BTW, Only a naive person would expect things ("information") explained
in detail right in a Book, then what would be the purpose of such 
a book in the first place!?! Quran gives you enough signs to get you
going in the right direction towards the road of discovery and unlocking
the secrets of nature.

regards.
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Useless topic? (was Baacha, Baachi, Kaka,Kaki...)
Date: 6 Apr 1992 11:54:39 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <69683@ut-emx.uucp|
 zaheer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Imrana Zaheer) writes:
|
|In article <1992Mar31.212517.7418@athena.mit.edu| 
   anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM) writes:
|
|
|  Baacha, bachi, pappu, kaki, poond, poondi etc.etc. What is this junk on the 
| net? This was not what I had expected from graduates of MIT. It seems
| to me that the standard of the prestigous institutions is on the decline
| rather rapidly. I had heard really frightening stories about the unavailability of leisure time in the top 10 unversities in America. But what I can see is
| that they were all a hoax. The people studying in the prestigous unversities
| are having a fun time now. 
|They can afford to spent hours and hours in
| discussing rigramrole on the net. On the average the amount of
|articles posted 
| is on the rise. Howcome you people have such an ample time?
|

I fully agree with the uselessness of the above topic, or such topics.
(The topic may, however, be of great interest to linguists, who it
appears to me, devote their lives to the cause of tracing back
words to their obscure origins. Such attempts, are however justified
on the basis that such historical trace allows us to gain insight of
historical influences, which inturn help  us 
understand better our ownselves).

|
| Even if you just consider the fact that on the day of judgement you will
| have to explain to the Creator all the time you spent in your life?
| How do you intent to justify the manhours you have invested on the net

If the above statement is directly targeted at the specific topic
of this posting, I am in total agreement.

However, if it is in any way general, then I would like to slightly
qualify in the light of September special issue of "Scientific
American" on "Networking and Communications". It details how
the future is going to be drastically changed through
networks and ISDN. Some interesting insights were:

1: Social circles will revolve around computer interest groups,
	transcending national boundaries and cultures.
2: One would be able to issue books and videos through the
	networks without going to the library or the video stores.
3: Subscription of magazines and newspapers!
3: Telephone, voice, picture, fax, mail, shopping will all
	be integrated around such networks.
4: Less congestiona as more and more people would be
	be able ot work from their own homes.
5: More time with families?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Women strive to lift veil of repression
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:58:08 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Apr7.215458.2633@vax1.umkc.edu> azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu writes:
>In article <702133493@volga.cs.duke.edu>, azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar) writes:
>> 	   When Lady Sabaa posted this article hinting that "veil" is
>> responsible for mitigating the progress of muslim women, she probably
>> overlooked the successful ascent of the "veiled" Benazir Bhutto. :-)
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Its probably not the literal veil that she's talking about, its probably the
>veil of subjugation that muslim women suffer from.

	   I am sorry that the subtlety of my remark was not obvious. Let
us just say that I have slight poetic inclination, and would have been
a poet, if only I could write poetry. :-)

>so now you agree that womens' emotional needs are not being met in
>Pakisthani society.
>As for women & men having a more accomodating personality at a younger age
>THATS REALLY STUPID!!!                                  

	   Actually, it was artificially stupid. (grin). Anyway, it seems
like we have a failure to communicate. My fault! Innate mental acuity
is almost a pre-requisite to understand what I say.

  	   Salman [all rights reserved, wrongs are left for others] Azhar


-- 
 I must, with emotional fire, burn or illume myself
 I must, with the heat of passion, melt or sublime myself
 I must, in flood of tears, drown or cleanse myself
 I must! I must! I must! For my people and myself -- D. Salman [Q] Azhar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mss1@cec2.wustl.edu (Muhammad Sajid Saeed)
Subject: Pink Floyd or PINK FRAUD ????????
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:24:28 GMT


		Another one bites the dust !

Saqib Mausoof writes:
>Since there has been a call to arms for all Pink Floyd fans I guess I
>have to join in. I am posting something that is relevant to the scp and the
>	In their second album, "saucer full of secrets", their is a song called
>"Set the control for the heart of the sun". The organ being played in that song
>appears similar to a number by Malka Pukhraj called "Abhi to me Jawan Ho". Any
>comments ? This is not a joke, if you have both the songs please listen to
>them. Unfortunately, I don't have the latter song and would be getting it this
>summer from Pakistan. My question is when did the song from Malka Pukhraj came
>out, I know that "A saucer full of secrets" came out in 1969.
>
>Carefull with that axe Eugene
>Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
>
>					Saqib Mausoof
>
>Carefull with that axe Eugene,

Well, here we have another fan! And about this Malika Pukhraj affair:
All I can say is: So much for their creativity! All the so-called-'artists-
at-heart' : If this is true, !!!

And Eugene, be REALLY careful with that axe of yours - we don't want a 
Texas chain saw massacre !
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: baser instincts and religion
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:56:50 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University

In article <1992Apr16.050813.23464@leland.Stanford.EDU> arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:
>
>My dear felow brothers,
>a few weeks ago i saw this disgusting and dirty movie called baser instincts.
>tooba tooba tooba , may god have pity on these people. The movie has no story 
>and is only about sex and sex nothing else. No wonder american society is 
>decaying there is no chance for it unless these people are brought to there
>senses ......
>
>As we arre all good muslims i ask my fellow brothers not to see this movie
>as it has no story just sex. I had to send this message to warn everyone.
>
>Also all of us should return to our pure and clean country pakistan. By living
>in a society like this we are committing a grave crime.

There couldn't have been a better ad than this post for 'Basic Instinct' !! 

regards,
--
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    ____/  __  /  __  /  __  /  /  |  \  /|   LIFE'S COMPLEX - IT HAS 
   / __   /   /  /   /  /   /  /   | (o)(o)   REAL & IMAGINARY PARTS  
  /   /  /   /   ___/  __  /  /    C      _) 
_____/ _____/ __/   __/ __/ ______/ | \___|  
E-mail - gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu       |   /   All Std. Disclaimers apply.
From: acsossc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Samir Chaudhari)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pakistan is the place to live not xyz and .sig!
Date: 5 Apr 92 19:26:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

<69815@ut-emx.uucp>, zaheer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Imrana Zaheer) writes...
azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar) writes:

>>Salman [Pakistani by birth, enlightened by the grace of God] Azhar

> Imrana[brought up in Karachi, born in Pakistan]Zaheer

>>-- 
>>``I will pass you in a small boat trapped by stormy seas, without
>>saying a word. Perhaps, there is nothing to say, and there is no time
>>for words. In these situations, words lose their meanings.''
>>          ----- D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar
> 
> Wouldn't it be nice if some body could simplified the concept of
> the small boat in the above paragraph?

	Good thing you asked, because the grammar in the above verse had been
bothering me for some time. I am no wordsworth but i manage to appreciate some
poetry. IMHO what "fucks up" the beautiful concept is the technical jargon 
that clouds the artistry in the last line. 'Artistry', which is expressed in 
the first two lines, the third one being redundant, if not grammatically 
disturbing.
If however, the poet insists on keeping the last line, then a much softer word
should be used instead of "situations". Hence it could be..

	"...and there is no time for words, for in these moments words 
	lose their meaning."  (not *meanings*)

	or something like..

	"..for these moments are best left unspoken"

.and ever so originally,
Samir [not all that enlightened by god] Chaudhari
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 11:11:10 EDT
From: <AIK100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject:    BRITISH OPEN 1992

AA!
Does any one has any idea about the 1992 Britsh Open Squash Championship ,
that when it is starting exactly . All i know,that it is in April. I think
our great hero Jahangir Khan is not playing . If any one has info about this
please e-mail me .

SALAM
AZHAR KHAN
AIK100@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
From: shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Did this happen to you, too ?
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:50:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Neuroscience Program, Duke University; Durham, N.C.



On a flight from Istanbul to New York, I had my (Pakistani) passport 
confiscated by the (Turkish) airline, apparently under advice from
US Immigration.  This also happened to the other four Pakistani passports
on that flight.  Our passports were not recovered until just before
the immigration counter at JFK.  Nobody explained why this happened, so
it did cause some anxiety.  I was just wondering if this has also happened
to other Pakistanis and also why it happens at all.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Subject: OliviaNJohn and JTravolta's PHD research
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:10:52 GMT

assalam alaikum
nu addition to Amer Qureshi's old list. 

In their thesis presented at Van halen University in Amsterdam,
ONJohn and JTRAVOLTa (<=looks like V = IR) have proposed a nu
model of PHYTNESS based on Einestien's synergy equation:

	Energy = Muscle x Cardio^2

	Na of ze model => High Energy Phytness

this research is also CarletonU's ongoing efforts in the area of PHYtness.

Murad Mirza.
From: umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Fruits of Righteousness
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:00:40 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada



A Chinese proverb:

   If there be righteousness in the heart, there will be beauty in the
   character. If there is beauty in the character there will be harmony
   in the home. If there is harmony in the home, there will be order in
   the nation. When there is order in each nation there will be peace in 
   the world.


Nasir Ahmed Noor
umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: az1@ukc.ac.uk (A.Zafar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Bride wanted
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:59:48 GMT
Reply-To: az1@ukc.ac.uk (A.Zafar)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1992Apr5.001920.3024@athena.cs.uga.edu> abbasi@pollux.cs.uga.edu (Sarmad Abbasi) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.030936.13131@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> p2018756@cumulus.csd.unsw.OZ.AU (Chetan) writes:
>>Looking for a Bride:
>>
>>Masters in Compter Science and BE in Electrical Engineering with a very
>>good academic background and vivacius personality is looking for a well-
>>educated, broad-minded girl. Caste no bar. Please email:
>>
>>	p2018756@cumulus.csd.unsw.oz.au
>
>I hope this is a joke. If is I don't like it!
>If it is not YOU ARE A VERY SICK MAN. 
>
>I would not be surprized that you are Kana (Blind form one eye).
>Certainly you are retarded.
>
>	I know that arranged marriages are a part of the societey of
>sub-continent. But no one appreciates you looking for a bride on the 
>net like you are looking for a PC.
>
>Abbasi.

	Hey, don't you read newspapers in Pakistan? At least this guy seems to
be trying to get something sophisticated like a PC out there it seems like
people are looking for a plot.

--
			 - Aman Zafar 			_   /|
			 - University of Kent 		\'o.O'
			 - England. 			=(___)=	
							   U
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: A NAZAM FOR NAJAM
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:24:19 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia



jub un sey mley tub sabr ayia jo khud bhi luT ker aye they
pehley pehl iss shahr meiN wernah hum to bahut ghabraey they
ahbab, mareez-e-ghum ke leay kuch charah garoN ko laey they
phir kea janey kioN lot gaey, darwazey tuk to aye they
jub ghar ki aag bughi to kuch saman bacha tha julney sey
so wo bhi un ke hath laga jo aag bughaney aye they
jo log shareek-e-sazish they, hum naam bhi un ka kaisey leN
kuch un maiN dost puraney they, kuch baizzat humsaey they
kuch ahl-e-khirad ab kahtey haiN, iss haal sey mazi achcha tha
aur eahi jub hum ne kaha tha, dewaney kahlaey they
be charey charah sazoN ko, nakami ka ilzam na do
wo in zakhmoN ka kia kartey jo jan ke hum ney khaey they
iss shoq-e-ghazalgoi sey, un ki hurmat bhi mujrooh hoi
jo zuhkam bari mushkil sey hum ney sari umar chupaey they


Enjoy it, and praise THE LORD. By the way I don't have any "dewaan"
or "mujmoa-e-kalam" here. Salam.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Subject:  An Observation
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 00:08:04 GMT

>From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
>Subject: Re: Aftab Ahmed's scholastic dishonesty. Another follower of Munir?
>Date: 13 Apr 92 22:29:10 GMT

 Syed,
You  used my name in this SINGLE post 30 times.

Arshad Hussain: 15
        Arshad: 11
       Hussain: 4


You have made me quite popular.
But you are still wrong. Go and read Munir Report.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mughal@romeo.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Subject: KILL FILE: Procedure to screen out unwanted postings
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Keywords:  KILL 
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:17:00 GMT

Here is my correspondence with one of the resident gods of UNIX at Caltech :)

==========================================================================

ASKM McDuff, 
	Here is the info you requested.

How to kill articles in a newsgroup eg in soc.culture.pakistan you will 
like to kill article containing the word 'ahmadi' use the following command

in file:
	~/News/soc/culture/pakistan/KILL
	/ahmadi/h:j

the above line will search the header for the word 'ahamdi' and mark the
article read if you like to search any where in the article then replace
'h' with 'a':

	/ahamdi/a:j

you can use regexp in the search pattern also.	The search is case
insensitive.

Surak
==========================================================================
// Surak
// it is possible to kill articles by userid ?
// 
	yes, the pattern where it says 'ahamdi' just put user id there
	so what that does is search the user id in header, pattern could
	be any thing, user id, university name or address...

		[sensitive disclosures deleted]
// McDuff

Surak

_________________________________________________________________________
Asim M Mughal
{... and I pray the rain and thunder to quietly pass me by...} - Guns&Roses

[Standard Disclaimer]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: hassan@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Eagle Squad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Clarification
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:16:37 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	My signature file has infuriated certain people.  When have
	I said that Pakistan is not the place to live ?.  Obviously
	if I live in Karachi, it will BE IN PAKISTAN  !.

	People support New York as the most important city in USA.
	It does not mean that they have a dislike for USA, and live
	only for New York !.

	I love pakistan, I just like to live in Karachi, if you have
	a problem with that then too bad.  

	Finally I would like to request that all people that have a 
	"panga" with me to send me EMail directly instead of posting
	lines such as "what does Ms.Rutgers have to say about that "
	

As Ugly Kid Joe would have put it (for Ms. Zaheer),

	If you're messing with Pakistan
	You're messing with your life !.
	Cause I'm gonna cut you up with a big, big knife !.
	You bet your freaking life !.

Eagle Squad.