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From: Scott.Maxwell@launchpad.unc.edu (Scott Maxwell)
Subject: Re: 688
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:20:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.153133.18571@husc3.harvard.edu> mastr@husc10.harvard.edu (claudia mastroianni) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.020353.9342@samba.oit.unc.edu> Scott.Maxwell@launchpad.unc.edu (Scott Maxwell) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec7.002750.18219@husc3.harvard.edu> mastr@husc8.harvard.edu (claudia mastroianni) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec6.060636.2437@samba.oit.unc.edu> Scott.Maxwell@launchpad.unc.edu (Scott Maxwell) writes:
>>>>In article <1992Dec5.173855.18182@husc3.harvard.edu> mastr@husc8.harvard.edu (claudia mastroianni) writes:
>>>>>In article <1992Dec5.040557.7000@samba.oit.unc.edu> Scott.Maxwell@launchpad.unc.edu (Scott Maxwell) writes:
>>>>>>In article <1992Dec4.221947.18152@husc3.harvard.edu> mastr@husc10.harvard.edu (claudia mastroianni) writes:
>>>>>>>In article <1992Dec3.001617.29424@samba.oit.unc.edu> Scott.Maxwell@launchpad.unc.edu (Scott Maxwell) writes:
>>>>>>>>In article <1992Dec2.034722.18002@husc3.harvard.edu> mastr@husc10.harvard.edu (claudia mastroianni) writes:
>>>>>>>>>In article <1992Dec2.030237.7591@samba.oit.unc.edu> Scott.Maxwell@launchpad.unc.edu (Scott Maxwell) writes:
>>>>>>>>>>> [ ... ]
>>>>>>>>>>Statement! One-love.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>(Sorry, but it was starting to read like the questions game in
>>>>>>>>>>_Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead_. Couldn't resist.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Statement! One-all.
>>>>>>>>>(Did you expect *us* to resist?)
>>>>>>>>Should I have?
>>>>>>>Would it have mattered if you had?
>>>>>>Doesn't it matter that I didn't?
>>>>>Care to carry this to alt.cascade?
>>>>Does this answer your question?
>>>Which one?
>>Can't you tell?
>Did you think I was asking for no reason?
Are there reasons?

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Newsgroups: alt.newbie,alt.geek,alt.religion.kibology
From: irving@halcyon.com (Larry Gilbert)
Subject: Re: Confused and ignorant
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:29:12 GMT

robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger) writes:

>Meredith Tanner?
>Tania Bedrax?
>Roger Carasso?
>John Palmer?
>Bruce Becker?
>Andrew Beals?
>Kibo?

>Who the 

O, to dream of the day when I can be considered annoying enough to be
immortalized in alt.*.  Or the day when I can be a supermoderator like
Spafman.

-- 
Larry Gilbert       |  "I'm dead and I haven't done anything that I want, or
irving@halcyon.com  |  I'm still alive and there's nothing I want to do."
finger for PGP key  |                  -- They Might Be Giants
Newsgroups: alt.newbie,alt.geek,alt.religion.kibology
From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih)
Subject: Re: Confused and ignorant
Date: 13 Dec 92 11:15:32 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In alt.newbie robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger) writes:
;Who the fuck ARE these people, and how did they get into my .newsrc???
;
;And while we're on the subject, who the fuck are  YOU?

I hereby call for the creation of alt.me, a newsgroup
all about me.  Then you can read the FAQ and find out.

---
chris
From: g_elliott@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: first surf injury
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:34:39 +0800
Organization: University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: fennel.wt.uwa.edu.au

In article <1goe7uINN3h8@news.cerf.net>, mike_r@nic.cerf.net (Mike Roberts) writes:
> Ahha, all these nasty injury stories remind me of my worst ever session.
> See, I took off on this huge gnarly wave when all of a sudden the bottom
> drops out of it an I'm thrown onto bare gnarly reef which removed 50%
> of my skin. After being leach dragged over a huge underwater rock,
> I was thrown into a cave full of fire coral. Finally after at least
> 10 sets had passed and I had been breathing water for 5 minutes I 
> got out an swam to the surface where a shark took off my leg. I wipped
> out my trusty knife and did battle with the creature. Eventually I 
> prevailed and cut into its stomach to recover my leg.
> 
> Then I swam back to shore. While getting out I forgot to shuffle my
> feet and trod on a stingray.
> 
> I was admitted to hospital and luckily they managed to reattach my
> leg, so I'm just fine now.
> 
> Mike
> "A brit in yankland"

This really happened to you too?

Bundy.
From: dt@spectrum.CMC.COM (Denise Tisdale)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: HELLLP
Date: 13 Dec 92 21:43:40 GMT
Organization: CMC Network Systems (Rockwell DCD), Santa Barbara, CA, USA

I agree with Danny lets keep wave.list for gifs only and keep alt.surfing for all the surf stories etc.  

How's the lastest storm been for you all in So. Cal?  Any good surf?
Santa Barbara has had some fun surf.

See ya,

DT
From: airey@woof.asd.sgi.com (John Airey)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: when was the last time we had a good groundswell???
Date: 16 Dec 1992 21:59:41 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: woof.asd.sgi.com

  It seems like we've been surfing this no-sets mostly-weak wind swell
for the last two months.

  Now that I'm getting toward thirty, my short term and middle term
memory are getting shot. For that matter, my long term memory isn't
so great either. Does anybody remember the last head high ground swell?

  surfed eastside S.C. in weak waist to head-high wind swell. Did manage
to snarf a few of the better waves that came through. Small crowd was kind
of lackluster. Surfed the hook since when I looked, the point looked
mushy and I saw some nice head high waves roll through the hook. Of course,
once I got out there, it looked better up at sewers.

  I'm dying for a solid groundswell, the kind where walls come marching
in sets and they really are as big as you think they are. The kind of
day where you could pick anywhere and it would seem great.

  later all.
                
john m. airey      airey@asd.sgi.com  (415) 390-5248
                   M/S 7U-550 Silicon Graphics, Advanced Graphics Division
                   2011 N. Shoreline Blvd., Mtn. View, CA 94039
From: airey@woof.asd.sgi.com (John Airey)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: airey visits S.B. but doesn't get to go to the ranch.
Date: 15 Dec 1992 04:20:11 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: woof.asd.sgi.com

I visited Santa Barbara this weekend. in law had a wedding shower.
brother in law has lived there for 15 years, and does a lot of
bicycle riding (which I used to do more of), and body boards these days.

I did El Capitan with him on Saturday, around noon to 3, which was as the 
extra high tide dropped. Wind was sideshore and waves were waist
to chest with the odd head high right on the point.

A major fun wave, even if it is small. Very hollow. Rocks are soft.
Had a really good time. Only about 8 guys out at most crowded. Only
1 when we got in. I got to work on getting munchkin tubes, which
is good because except for sewers, a tube is rare at eastside S.C.

The wave sucked right out from under me a few times as I tried
to get in the tube, dumping me in the pit. No damage to me or board.
Somebody said to ride it high, but point it down and that seemed
to help.

Next day we got shafted as the the husband of the woman giving the
shower went to the ranch and did not take us. I didn't surf at
all, shopped for a couch instead. (fun, eh?)

Hopefully Greg, my brother in law, will get a rain check for us.

Next morning I did munchkin rincon. I got there before the sun
came up and there were a few guys at backside rincon and one longboarder
on the point. So I surfed the point. Just waist high with a shoulder
high wave every 15 minutes or so. But since I was pretty much the
only guy there at first, at least I got those shoulder high waves. 
Long clean ride, kinda hook-like. Not exactly thrilling, but
fun. After a couple gyrations for speed, I just put my feet together
in the middle of the skinny, thin 6'6'' I was riding and cruised. 

Got out at 8:30 when many thousands of pretty lame surfers showed up.
Why ruin a fun dawn patrol by staying too long?
                
john m. airey      airey@asd.sgi.com  (415) 390-5248
                   M/S 7U-550 Silicon Graphics, Advanced Graphics Division
                   2011 N. Shoreline Blvd., Mtn. View, CA 94039
From: airey@woof.asd.sgi.com (John Airey)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Three to four and offshore
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:11:00 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: woof.asd.sgi.com


In article <1992Dec17.154829.28338@cirrus.com>, horeff@cirrus.com writes:
> hey surfnuts,
> 
> "Three to four and offshore" - has a nice ring to it huh.  Seems to be a 
> prevailing surf scenario these days.  There was this dough head I knew when I 
> was going to school who everytime you asked him how the surf was he would say 
> "three to four and offshore", whether it was one to two and blown out or six 
> to eight and macking.  So we just called him "three to four".  Well I'm 
> rambling but there's been some waves here on the SF peninsula.  Hint John:  
> you might find some bigger waves if you go north of eastside SC.  It hasn't 
 
    I admit to a lack of adventuring spirit. I know the eastside reefs and
    the crowd and I can get there and get back to work quickest.

    but thanks for the tip, I'll have to make the trip.

> been exactly clean - in fact kinda stormy some days - but it's been at least 
> head high at some spots.  A major cold front is supposed to be coming thru 
> here so we'll see what hardcore dawn patrols are all about.  (You Sandy Eggo 
> guys should not be complaining!)

    Indeed. Use the trick of blasting your car heater into your arm and 
    legholes on the wetsuit, so you can at least start off warm.

    This is a variation of the trick my ski-bum brother uses to get his 
    boots on. Blast the heater, make them flexible, stick feet in. Hope
    that you can get them out at the end of the day.

    Hoods look kooky and your hair doesn't get that cute lightened-by-the-sun 
    look favored by 2-Aggro-4-U surfers, 
    but they are probably far more important than booties for the hardcore
    dawn patrol.  I know one guy who waits for the wave with hood down. 
    Pops hood up, catches wave, paddles back and duck dives, if necessary, 
    with hood on. Pops hood off to wait for next wave.

    I haven't used a hood yet this year, but since my heart doesn't actually
    seem to beat and move blood until about 9 a.m., 
    I know I'll have to use it soon.

> 
> surf on,
> H
>  
                
john m. airey      airey@asd.sgi.com  (415) 390-5248
                   M/S 7U-550 Silicon Graphics, Advanced Graphics Division
                   2011 N. Shoreline Blvd., Mtn. View, CA 94039
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: East Coast Storm
From: squier@cs.cosc.georgetown.edu (Richard Squier)
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:44:33 -0500
Followup-To: alt.surfing
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University, Washington DC

I went up to New Jersey over the weekend.  The weather
on Friday was gale force winds directly onshore with
the weather service reporting waves 9-12 ft.  I decided
to skip it, but figured by Saturday things might clean up.
They did clean up, to a point: the wind was down to about
10 kt sideshore (N.) and there was little chop.    When I
saw it (~2PM Sat) the tide was low, and the waves were about
8 ft. faces breaking very hard.  There were no channels, the
waves were breaking over the jetties,
no pauses between sets, so getting out looked like no fun.  Even
if you could get out, everything was closed out, and there was
lots of lumber floating all over the place from the torn up
houses and boardwalks.  I was in Belmar, and I would've checked
out some other places, but the roads were flooded, power lines
were down, and so forth, so I just went home.  Oh well.
The most interesting thing was the sand.  Most of the beach
seemed ok, but the bottom that was exposed by the low tide
was mud, all the sand had been scoured away and deposited on
the roadway (which had already been bulldozed when I got there, 
otherwise you couldn't drive).   Well, I had been praying for
some storm action to spice things up, guess I'll have to be more
specific next time.
From: g_elliott@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: first surf injury
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:15:20 +0800
Organization: University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: fennel.wt.uwa.edu.au

In article <1glng1INNif0@sol.deakin.OZ.AU>, ludwig@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Ludwig Omachen) writes:
> In article <28527@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) writes:
>>I have cut my ankle and my hand (while covering my head) with a fin.
>>Nothing good enough for stitches. I figure I'll keep goin' for more
>>until I have a fatal injury, then I'll back off.  Its all part of the
>>thang.  Sorry about the wetsuit, they aren't cheap. You'll heal and
>>be back.
>>
> 
> In 28 years of surfing, my surf Injuries tally (disregarding minor
> cuts and bruises) is broken nose, twice :-(, 
> about 3 lots of cuts around the head which needed stitches, and
> one close call where the fin impaled itself in the bridge of my nose,
> just missing my eye, and snapping off the last inch of the fin.
> I'd gone for a reo and fell of backwards down the face of the wave, in
> effect bodysurfing on my back and looking up at the wave, the board
> had gone over the back of the wave, but the legrope pulled it back,
> and it got sucked over with the lip, fins first, with me as the target.

This sounds ultra gory. I can just imagine the situation... Lud bodysurfing
on his back as the board gets airbourne and then plummets down hitting
him on the nose. Painful! Ive been in simular curcumstances but Ive been 
lucky enough to dodge the final blow. its just amazing this sort of accident
doesnt happen more often.

The only major accidents I can remember that Ive inflicted on myself is
one majorish gash on the leg and various reef bites. Im quite lucky
considering Ive surfed for 9 years, 4 of which were in Esperance where the
larger swells can reach tripe head high very easily.

The southern swells from down south generate some awesome power because they
travel all the way through the roaring forties from Antartica. I miss the 
larger surf so badly living in Perth. I wish they would install a
IBM 3090/500J in Esperance so I could go down there to work. 

Life sucks but we go on reguardless....

Bundy.

ps. I suppose its better than living in Texas!  :)
 

> 
> I seem to average something that needs stitches about once every five
> years.
> 
> Cheers, keep surfing,
> Lud.
From: duke@net6.ics.uci.edu (Duke P. Hong)
Subject: Re: first surf injury
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Reply-To: duke@ics.uci.edu (Duke P. Hong)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:09:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.204229.13357@nas.nasa.gov> leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov (Leo Dagum) writes:
>I was thinking more like now I'm truly a Wilbur Kookmeyer and maybe I
>shouldn't go out in head high surf until I get better.  My question
>is who's right?  Have all you true surfers out there gotten injured learning
>the sport?  Do you get injured regularly even once your good?  Or do you
>learn how to fall, or know your limits to avoid injury.  In case you're

Hey, if you don't push your limits, how are you supposed to get any
better? I've been surfing for 7 years now and I still get a few
minor injuries now and then.  The worst I've gotten though
is a cut and a few stiches on my head from hitting my board
after wiping out at Big Rock (which, for those of you who don't know,
the water is often only 1' - 2' deep).  In fact, I've gotten
cut somewhere just about every time out there.

The funniest wipe out for me was when I was paddling in and
tried to catch some foam coming in. It ended up tossing me around
and bouncing me off the reef.  This was during the swell that
destroyed Huntington pier.

You should definitely keep going for it.  You've already learned
to protect your head. There's not much else you can do.
Also be sure to get a nose guard for your board

--
Duke P. Hong			Dept. of Information and Computer Science
				Univeristy of California
duke@ics.uci.edu		Irvine, CA. 92717
From: tcritchl@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tod Critchlow)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Surf Report SIO 12/11
Keywords: Gray, and getting grayer
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:52:32 GMT

A storm is coming in so maybe conditions will get a little
better. The waves are pretty much just a bunch of
mush here.  There are some fun rides if you can find a 
peak, but they are slow and tend to peter out before
you do a second bottom turn.

Also, with the extreme tides right now, the high tide 
in the morning going to low in the pm pretty much 
kills the afternoons.  It did yesterday anyways.


-- 
_____________________________________________________________________
Tod Critchlow(tcritchl@ucsd.edu)      |  What the Hell is a
Univ of Calif, San Diego              |  Signature anyways??
Scripps Institution of Oceanography   | 
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: kieffer@spf.trw.com (Robert Kieffer)
Subject: Re: first surf injury
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:54:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.204229.13357@nas.nasa.gov> leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov  
(Leo Dagum) writes:

[Stuff about surf injuries deleted]

"Congratulations,  You are now officially a surfer."

Now then, let's see... My roomate, who's surfed his whole life, is  
hobbling around with a sliced up big toe from hiking over a rocky beach.   
In the last month I've sprained my ankle, cut my foot, did something wierd  
to my little toe ("Mommy!") god only knows how,  and just this morning  
banged up my elbow (on my board, no less).  Oh yeah, and that goose egg I  
got from surfacing under my board is just starting to go away, too.  But  
hey, I've only been surfing for three years! 

To answer your question: Yes, you do learn "how to fall"... it's all part  
of getting a feel for what the waves are going to do to you and your board  
as well as getting a little better control over where you are/going on a  
wave.  On the flip side however, you're always pushing yourself, trying to  
improve... and you inevitably screw up somehow.  At that point it's up for  
grabs.  Of all the injuries I mentioned above, only one is the result of  
bad judgement on my part (the elbow), all the rest are just incidental...  
I've learned to expect them.

For that matter, my first year of surfing I was getting banged up so  
regularly that I carried around a miniature first aid kit just to patch  
myself up with after each session.

Fortunately, I've never had any "serious" injuries (anything requiring  
visits to docs or hospitals)  just annoying stuff that goes away in 1 - 10  
days.  For that matter, my biggest worry is a the little buggies that wash  
in off the streets of Hermosa Beach (ugh!)

Anyways, good luck, have fun, and spill a little blood for me!

Robert Kieffer
kieffer@spf.trw.com
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 11:39:09 PST
From: <RAIMONDI@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: board in the 7.10 range wanted

hi, i'm a beginner and i was looking for a used surfboard
about 7.10 long with a quite round nose and possibly in not
very bad conditions.....
(eventually i could switch with a 7.0 pearson)
If someone can help me  i'll appreciate that very much

e-mail me at raimondi@slacvm   or call me at h:415/3222737
                                             w:415/9262813

                             bye bye        pantaleo
From: ludwig@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Ludwig Omachen)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: first surf injury
Date: 18 Dec 1992 03:25:51 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Geelong, Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: aragorn.cm.deakin.oz.au

In article <1992Dec15.195954.26897@cirrus.com> horeff@cirrus.com (Steve Horeff) writes:
>That reminds me of psuedo-injury I got when I first started surfing ten years 
>ago on the Central Coast, CA.  I didn't wear booties back then and I had this 
>nasty habit of dragging the top of my back foot across the deck as jumped to 
>my feet for a wave.  After a while, a large knob developed on the top of my 
>foot.  If I surfed for a few days in a row it would get even more swollen.  
>Anyway, as I got better, I stopped getting to my feet that way and the problem 
>went away. 
>
>Steve 

Those "knobs" used to be a status symol of sort's in the days before
short boards, the bigger the knobs on the top of your feet, and your
knees, and your ...., :-),  well , the more luck you had with the opposite
sex :-).

Seriously, they were part and parcel of surfing long boards and
resulted from paddling in a kneeling position.
If you didn't have bumps on your knees and the top of your feet you
were'nt really a surfer.

Cheers,
Lud, whose knobs have almost all but faded away :-).
Newsgroups: alt.surfing