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From: rwp@fc.hp.com (Bob Proulx)
Subject: Re: Which Shell to Use?
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:49:22 GMT
Organization: Fort Collins
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Satish Chittamuru (satishc@microsoft.com) wrote:
: BTW, how does one accomplish file name completion in bash. An ESC
: used to do it in ksh, but I haven't been able to do it in bash. I

In emacs mode it is TAB.  But to help me be compatible between csh,
ksh and bash I put the following in my $HOME/.inputrc file.  Bash
reads it at startup.  My terminal sends a control-h not a DEL so I
added that too.

M-ESC: complete
M-Control-h: backward-kill-word
M-TAB: tab-insert

With this ESC-ESC does completion just like ksh.  ESC-backspace kills
the word behind.  ESC-TAB inserts an explicit TAB.  (I shouldn't need
that but I did.)

: usually do a C-? to see my options and manually type in the rest
: of the stuff. I know there is a bash.dvi available but I don't have
: TeX setup yet. If anyone can send me the PS version of the manual,

Just for you info... There is online help for shell builtins of a sort
in bash.  Try typing in "help help" to get started.  Then try other
commands. 

rwp@hprwp:/users/rwp: help help

help: help [pattern ...]
    Display helpful information about builtin commands.  If PATTERN is
    specified, gives detailed help on all commands matching PATTERN,
    otherwise a list of the builtins is printed.

rwp@hprwp:/users/rwp: help echo

echo: echo [-neE] [arg ...]
    Output the ARGs.  If -n is specified, the trailing newline is
    suppressed.  If the -e option is given, interpretation of the
    following backslash-escaped characters is turned on:
        \a      alert (bell)
        \b      backspace
[...deleted...]

Bob


Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin)
Subject: (Xmono+Mouse+Kermit)  Problem
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:53:04 GMT

Hi,  a question from a linux newbie.
I installed Linux from SLS Package without problem
(even though 'free' does not report about my swap space).
Xmono is working just fine.

Strangely, as soon as I initiate 'kermit' command, the mouse stops working.
I setup my modem in com1 and Logitech mouse in com2.
To make sure, I initiated 'kermit -l /dev/ttys0'.  'Show command
clearly shows that the line is connected to /dev/ttys0, which is com1 port.
I don't understand why the logitech (connected to com2 port) just
stops working.

Does anyone have the similar experience ?

Thanks.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: mc499424@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Amine Chouicha)
Subject: Help: Xconfig ?
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:26:43 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

--------


   Hi,

   First, thanks for everyone who helped me with the Modes and the fonts
   problems. Let's move to next one. My last attempt to run
   Xwindow, I got as far as having the base window, the cross, and
   an icon "bash" drawn then the pc hangs. By the way, the first mouse
   (Microsoft) command is accepted (that's when it draws the the icon)
   then nothing is accepted and I have to reboot. Any help will be appreciated.

   Amine.


 P.S. I suspect the mouse configuration in Xconfig, sofar I used different
       dev. ttys0, ttys1, ttys2, ttys3, and tty4. PC characteristics
       and Xconfig are given below.

>   PC Characteristics 
> 
>  486 with 8MB of RAM
>  monitor ViewSonic 15"  31-60KHz microprocessor   1024x768
>  card TRIDENT  TVGA
>  Microsoft mouse
> 
>  
>
>  
 -----------------------------------------------------------------
>         Xconfig file
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> RGBPath      "/usr/X386/lib/X11/rgb"
> 
> FonthPath     "/usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/misc, /usr/X386/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
>                
> 
> Keyboard
> 
>    AutoRepeat  500  5
>    SeverNumLock
> 
> 
> Microsoft    "dev/tty00"
> BaudRate     9600
> Emulate3Buttons

> vga256
>   Virtual    800    600  
>   Viewport  0       0 
>   Modes     "640x480"    "800x600" 
>#  clocks    24  2  28  3  44  9  36  0 
> 
> ModeDB
> 
> # name        clock    horizontal timing        vertical timing       flags
># "640x480"       25     640  664  760  800      480  491  493   525
>  "640x"480"      28     640  672  768  800      480  490  492   525
> 
> "800x600"       36     800  824  896  1024     600  601  603   625
>#                 40     800  840  968  1056     600  601  605   628
>#                 50     800  856  976  1040     600  637  643   666
>#
># "1024x768i"     44     1024 1040 1216 1264     768  777  785   817  interlace
>#
># "1024x768"      60      1024 1032 1176 1344    768  771  777   806
>#                 75     1024 1048 1184  1328    768  771  777   806
>#                 85     1024 1032 1152 1360     768  784  787   823
>#
># "1280x1024i"    80     1280 1296 1512 1568     1024 1025 1037 1165  interlace
># 
># "1280x1024"    110     1280 1328 1512 1712     1024 1025 1028 1054
>#                135     1280 1312 1456 1712     1024 1027 1030 1064
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
From: miller@hindmost.lpl.arizona.edu (Jeff Miller x6950)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Backup hardware for Linux?
Keywords: backup, tape, driver
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:33:49 GMT
Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.

I'm soon to buy a 386/40 PC to install Linux/X and DOS/Win on, 
probably sending away for Linux disks from the fellow in Batavia, 
Illinois. 

I'm dismayed at the prospect of backing up 150-200 MB of disk to 
floppy.  I won't fill up the disk instantly, but eventually it 
means a knee-high stack of floppies with associated costs and has-
sles.  If I were only concerned about DOS, I might go for a Colo. 
cartridge tape (capacity, price) or a SCSI floptical (flexibility).

* What other suitable backup hardware is supported by Linux? 

* Any thoughts on sensible backup strategies? (frequency, breaking 
  into smaller chunks?)

BTW I've never seen Linux actually running.  If there's anyone near
Tucson or Phoenix who could show me his or her system, I'd love to 
see it.  L.A., S.F., and Seattle are possibilities too.

Jeff Miller	 miller@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu 
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: trumpet-user@tom.erib.uni-hannover.de (Default Trumpet User)
Subject: broken pipe after reboot
Organization: Inst. f. Stroemungsmechanik
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:38:09 GMT

hello linux-users

i have installed linux 0.98p3 on my system and a problem : 
when i type the reboot command, the message "broken pipe" occurs.
the same happens after typing shutdown. ps -U dosen't help.
now i have installed version 0.98p4 but nothing changed.


tom.
From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Microsoft three button mouse?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 21:04:50 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
NNTP-Posting-Host: mamba.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <30221@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com> ghart@ems.cdc.com writes:
>
>I have a similiar mouse.  It's made by Kenko.  It's limited documentation
>states that it is software configurable for both Microsoft and PC-mouse
>compatability.  I use the PC-mouse mode under DOS with no trouble.

"PC-mouse" is Mouse Systems.  If you can find the switching code, you
should be able to set it into that mode.

For people buying a new system: the mouse to get is anything _hardware_
switchable between Microsoft/Mouse Systems.  I have a Merit mouse - it
has a little switch on the bottom - and it works perfectly.

You should be able to get such a thing through any good mail-order parts
shop, for $15 or so.

c
From: ee89jje%ee.surrey.ac.uk (Ed)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Looking for David Chen
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:20:09 GMT
Organization: University of Surrey, Guildford, England
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


Could David Chen (claiming to be david@mis.nccu.edu.tw) please mail me, and 
send me a valid return path this time please!
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Dept. of Elec. Eng.      |
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Guildford. ENGLAND.      |  more witty.
From: mjm@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Mike McBain)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: shell-init: Permission denied
Date: 11 Nov 92 10:24:11 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.


/* Second try - first one had a strange Subject line. */

As always, I have to apologise in advance if this is yet another in a
long line of questions asked by dorks. Question: Why can't non-root users
use the system after they log in.

I am running SLS 0.97 (pl1, I think)

When I create a new user, and then try and log in as that user I get

	shell-init: Permission denied
	: Permission denied

the startup shell for this user is /bin/bash, and /bin/bash has world
read and execute permissions. /bin has world execute and read access.

This problem has only just arisen after reinstalling some of the SLS
disks fixed by Peter Macdonald. I know I'm missing something blindingly
obvious, but what is it?
-- 
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mjm@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au                  Monash University - Caulfield
+61 3 573 2646                              Australia    3145

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Mike McBain                                 David Syme Faculty of Business
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Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Monday, 9 Nov 1992 17:09:34 CET
From: BARRY TITMARSH <BTITMARS@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject:    where to find src for cnews + nntp

Hi all again.. i am looking for an ftp site to get src code for the
NNTP.1.5.11 and CNEWS new version THAT will compile ok on a linux system
I have nntp.1.5.8 and cnews122291 from sunsite but none of these src compile
I have spent weeks trying to debug the code but being onle 5 weeks into UNIX
and 1 year into C programing Lack the nessarry experiance to get the Basic
things to JUST work.
If any one has src or know were the get simple src code
ie: type make, and wait for the end results with out spending weeks of code
debugging and finding the missing define ;-)
ok some help would be nice.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: adam@microware.com (Adam Goldberg)
Subject: Re: CMS jumbo 250
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:49:11 GMT

foustwf@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:

>I posted earlier asking if there was any programs or device drives or 
>something out there so that I can use my CMS jumbo 250 with Linux.
>I got no response, so I am assuming that the answer is No. So, I have
>contacted the QIC committee and will be receiving a copy of the 
>QIC-80 specs next week. I will TRY to write something to make
>use of the Jumbo 250. If anyone has any suggestions on how to do
>this, or has done any work in the area, Please contact me with suggestions
>etc.

Good luck (and I mean that constructively).

The problem with QIC-02-interface drives is that the communication between
the host computer and the tape drive is via 3 (is it 4?) wires:  To
send a command to the drive, you must TOGGLE THE LINES MANUALLY.

ie, say the command-code for rewind is (hex)83, and you must have 15msec
between each bit.  You must:

  for(command=0x83, bits=16; bits>0 ; bits--, command>>=1)
  {
     send_bit(command & 1);
     pause(15msec);
   }

But in Linux (and any other _real_ OS), you can't (reasonably) hog the
CPU for 1/4 second, therefore, a QIC-02 driver would be icky.  (Though,
perhaps, not impossible).

Disclaimer:  It's been a few months since I looked into this.  This was
the issue which made us decide to not even try to write an OS-9000 driver
for the QIC-02 drives.  Your Mileage May Vary(tm).


  
-- 
Adam G.
adamg@microware.com, or ...!uunet!mcrware!adamg
The above is not to be construed in any way as the official or unofficial
statements of Microware, or any Microware employees.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@Athena.MIT.EDU>
Subject: Re: C-Kermit, usleep, rts/cts
Reply-To: tytso@Athena.MIT.EDU
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:45:05 GMT

   From: engel@sj.ate.slb.com (Mike Engelhardt)
   Date: 8 Nov 92 00:25:36 GMT

   There's been a number of articles about Kermit.  I report some updated
   information and summarize.

Thanks for your summary!

   2.  There is a makefile entry for Linux called linuxgcc2.  Just typing
       'make linuxgcc2' will result in a version which (i) will not
       supply guard time around the '+++' escape sequence of a Hayes
       modem and (ii) not allow you to set hardware flow control.  Use

	    make linuxgcc2 "KFLAGS = -DCK_RTSCTS -DUSLEEP"

Did you sent this change back to Columbia?  If not, let me encourage you
to do so!

   4.  There is no support for a 57600 baud DTE connection in either
       Kermit or <linux/termios.h>.  Trivial hacks my my part didn't fix
       this.   Will Linux support 57600 baud in the future?  It's
       important because when working on the same source code on two
       machines, there's no reason to have compressed versions lying
       around just so that they can be moved faster.  Also, v.32bis often
       compresses better than UNIX's compress.  It's silly for the DTE
       speed to be the bottle neck instead of the phone line!

Actually, Linux does support 56000 baud (is 56000 or 56700 standard?  My
National Semiconductor 16550A Spec sheets list 56000, not 56700), and
indeed it actually supports any arbitrary buad rate; but in order to
access it, you need to use a non-standard ioctl(), due to the deficiency
of the System 7 compatible termio interface.  (We could change the
termio support to use the BSD 4.4 method, which elimates these
restrictions; but only with great pain and by removing a certain aspect
of System V compatibility.)

In any case, Linux does support 38400 using the standard interface,
which should typically be fast enough for v.32bis/v.32bis, I would
expect. 

							- Ted
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: michaelw@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Michael Will)
Subject: Re: SLS-Permission-Drama (elm/mail)
Organization: Point of Presence & MCS Hamburg
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:26:23 GMT

terjeve@ifi.uio.no (Terje Vernly) writes:
>You'll have to set the sticky-bit on the mail-directory:
>chmod 1777 /usr/spool/mail

Yes, possible, but it still leaves the question, why this should not work:

drwxrwxr-x   2 root     mail          192 Nov  5 01:07 mail

elm and fastmail and newmail and printmail and wnewmail are of group mail,
elm is sgid. why can't it write into the mail-directory then?

Confused, Michael Will
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jem@sunSITE.unc.edu (Jonathan Magid)
Subject: Re: broken pipe after reboot
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:36:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.084246.17803@ugle.unit.no> venaas@flipper.pvv.unit.no (Stig Venaas) writes:
>When I reboot, I first do
>rm /etc/utmp ; touch /etc/utmp

ummm... I think you also want to chmod 766 /etc/utmp.

Not to be picky, but I forget to do that all the time... and
tend confuse many people... (including myself).

otherwise it will say something along the lines of
Error: can't write utmp file. or probably nothing quite so clear
(its 4:30am here; my memory is shot)...

jem.
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From: msb@cats.ucsc.edu (Maurice S. Barnum)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: looking for /bin/kill
Date: 10 Nov 1992 02:53:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: mingong-ws-1.ucsc.edu
Keywords: kill rc base system


I recently installed linux from hlu's {root,base,gcc,lib}disks,
and most things were working great until I changed my shell to
rc:  first, I tried "pwd" and got an error that it was unable to
locate libc2.2.2 (I think that's it)---that was fortunately 
easy to implement myself, but the second problem is not:  there
is no "kill" command found in the base system, and I haven't been
able to figure out where it may be.

Any help, either a pointer to it, or the source code would be
greatly appreciated.  

thanks.
From: gary@eddie (gary moyer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: wait3() and signal(): broke?
Date: 13 Nov 92 06:27:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6305
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I am writing a client server app that uses signal(SIGCHLD) to catch
(and clean up) slaves and clean them up via wait3().  Although
this works fine under sunOS, Linux seems to only catch the first
signal, and all resulting signals go left ignored.  

Furthermore, if I re-install the signal catcher function (after going
off once) it will catch another signal.  I have  .98pl3 running that this 
will work on and a .97pl3 box that it won't work on.

Any ideas?

Gary Moyer
From: djr48312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (X X)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: What is aXe?
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:00:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bx88Kw.BBC
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

before I download aXe, I would like a description of what it actually is.
Im hoping its a wyswig word processor program.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,to.rde
From: keith@ksmith.uucp (Keith Smith)
Subject: Re: Linux - the future?
Organization: Keith's Computer, Hope Mills, NC
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 19:56:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov2.194146.20882@mo.hobby.nl> hans@mo.hobby.nl (Hans Oey) writes:
>There is hardly any free software for MSDOS (except for
>the ported GNU stuff). I mean `free' as in Free Software
>Foundation. Source code is essential to that. Read the
>GNU Manifesto.

Then based on this criterion, there is hardly any free software for
unix, either, since if it's source code you could compile most of it for
either OS platform, and all such *FREE* software would then be software
that would be portable to *ANY* platform.

Then again you've obviously never strolled thru the PC-SIG libraries to
even *MAKE* such a ridiculus statement, and while I'll agree much of the
MS-DOS stuff is Shareware, There is also a hell of a lot of PreCompiled
Freeware, which costs only the time to find it and move it onto your
box, AS WELL AS a TON of dos based source code, much of it in venerable
TurboPASCAL and TurboC.

>A combination of GNU emacs and TeX is an excellent (and IMHO
>a vastly superior) replacement for something like WordPerfect.
>I know of at least one commercial site where this is used daily
>for business correspondence and all kind of papers. But don't
>start a religious war on that.

Of course it is IMHO being the key word here.  Our Humble opinions don't
mean a whole heck of a lot to the vast majority of folks out there who
like pushing arrows with a rat either.

>I'm definitly not a technoweenie. I consider myself more
>of an end user. Fed up with unfixable bugs in commercial
>software I am trying to make up my mind whether to use
>postgress or ingress for database applications.

I wish more of my clients were like you.  Unfortunately they have no
desire to learn anything that requires opening a book.

>>I don't know what direction Linus wishes to go, but I just can't devote
>>the hardware to it full time, without being able to run the stuff I
>>already have, free or not.
>
>Yeah right, you still use wordstar for CP/M!? ;-)

Nope,  Never did.  I used PIE/TEXT from the Software Toolworks.  Hey I
like Text Processing systems, Unfortunately my clients prefer something
without a learning curve. <sigh>, and this I must also keep on my
machine in order to be able to answer trivial questions about it, and
thereby continue to make a living.  Under Unix I use EMACS.  I like
EMACS, I like vi.  The people I work for won't use either one.
-- 
Keith Smith          uunet!ksmith!keith            5719 Archer Rd.
Digital Designs      BBS 1-919-423-4216            Hope Mills, NC 28348-2201
Somewhere in the Styx of North Carolina ...
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: IFK_USER@ifk20.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de (Institut fuer Foerdertechnik)
Subject: German Keyboard in xterm
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG (Dept. of Mechanical Engineering)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:59:32 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

Hi everybody,
Yesterday I made X11 running on my OAK-Video-Card. :-)
The problem is that in the xterms my Keyboard behaves like an american!
I do have Linux 0.98pl3 with German-Keyboard settings and no problems with 
the ttyp-display. So what's the reason for the american-display in X11.
Do I have to change some configs?

Thanks Volker
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: lucy@lehre23.informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE (Holger Burde)
Subject: bootdisk copy
Organization: Universitaet Bremen
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:58:41 GMT

For some reason i like to boot linux from my disk drive. My question is how to get
a copy of my bootdisk (without recompiling the kernel) in case it gets damaged ??
any suggestions on this ??

h.b.

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uni bremen *oops*
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,comp.lang.tcl,comp.os.coherent,comp.unix.misc
From: "Louis J. LaBash, Jr." <A200%SIUEMUS.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: CMS jumbo 250
Reply-To: A200%SIUEMUS.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:34:07 GMT

|I posted earlier asking if there was any programs or device drives or
|something out there so that I can use my CMS jumbo 250 with Linux.
|..[deleted].

There is a TAPE channel, send to following as follows:
 linux-activists-request@niksula.hut.fi
     X-Mn-Admin: join TAPE


Also, David Brown has source for a pre alpha driver available.
If you are interested, please send him mail (dbrown@ucsd.edu).

 -ljl-
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  /* God would never design at tree with its root at the top. */
                     Louis J. LaBash, Jr.
        A200@SIUEMUS.BITNET   |   labashl@vax3.siue.edu

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: satishc@microsoft.com (Satish Chittamuru)
Subject: Re: Which Shell to Use?
Date: 07 Nov 92 01:11:25 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Nov4.174838.19844@iitmax.iit.edu> thssgxd@iitmax.iit.edu (Gautam Das) writes:
 > 
 > Try Bash, you will love it. It has automatic filename completion,
 > command line editing,command  history editing, just a lot less typing
 > to do in general. Read the man pages. Fully compatible (I believe) with
 > Bourne shell as far as scripts are concerned.

BTW, how does one accomplish file name completion in bash. An ESC
used to do it in ksh, but I haven't been able to do it in bash. I
usually do a C-? to see my options and manually type in the rest
of the stuff. I know there is a bash.dvi available but I don't have
TeX setup yet. If anyone can send me the PS version of the manual,
I would be very grateful.


 > I used csh, then tcsh, and am now a bash fanatic.
 > 
 > Gautam Das

-- 
Satish K. Chittamuru				satishc@microsoft.com
=====
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed herein, either stated or implied, are
solely my own and do not reflect Microsoft's views in any manner.