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From: s882413@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Glen Robert Seymon)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Southern Sons CD
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:25:48 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.


 Does anyone know when Southern Sons new CD is supposed to be in the
stored. I've asked at Brashs etc and the reps supposedly don't know
when it is being released.
From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: hot dance acts
Date: 30 Aug 92 10:06:48 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

c9106234@cc.newcastle.edu.au (STRICTLY DANCING) writes:

>	Yet again im interested to see what dance acts most people
>	enjoy and im always interested in good dance groups which
>	haven't received a great deal of publicity
>		Here are my favourites

>			Euphoria - baby, i want it 
nope.
>			Snap - rhythm is a dancer
OK. Snap used to be pretty good.
>			2 Unlimited - workaholic
Better than the two awful tracks that came before, but still generic.
>			Black Box - fantasy
er. past its prime...
>			KLF - what time is love
YES!
>			Culture Beat - one good reason
dunno this. I didn't like their other track.
>			Oceanic  - insanity
OK. Better than...
>			K.W.S. - please dont go
Which sucks.
>			C & C Music (Clivilles/Cole) - Just a touch of love
OK. Not as clever as Hmmmmmm. Or as funky as the first single. More original
than the second, though!
>                        Kylie Minogue - Shocked
(chunder) sorry! :)

OK, so you're a mainstream dance fan. Fair enough. I will admit I used to
like a fair bit of this stuff. But it can get very boring very fast. If
you are like most dance fans I know, you will learn to like:

Techno. e.g. 808 State, Prodigy, Smart E, etc.
Industrial dance. Severed Heads, Nine Inch Nails
Indie dance. Stone Roses, Soup Dragons, Happy Mondays.

Great Aussie Dance acts include Third Eye, Severed Heads, Boxcar (sort of),
Single Gun Theory, Snog (which I hear is good).

Paul

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From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Re: Cut+Paste
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 06:06:22 GMT

carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER) writes:
>Unfortunatly I may have made my point unclear.  It is far far easier 
>to sample, cut and paste sounds today with modern equipment than it
>was in the past when it involved splicing magnetic tape (ever done it?
>it's bloody hard to get right, and if you fuck up, no easy restart)

That doesn't mean it gets easier to produce leading-edge music. If you
just use your sequencer to do stuff that could have been done in the 50s,
then you're vastly underusing its potential. To create state-of-the-art
music now, you must be just as skilful at using modern technology as
the 50s people were at using their technology. There's no way that most
of today's electronic music could have been done in the 50s. As the technology
has improved, so has the quality of the music and the expectations of both
public and academia.

>I have *never* said that it's easy to get a sequencer to "a good groove",
>but it's a damn site easier than getting a drummer, bass player,
>one or 2 (or more) guitarists etc to synchronise, there are so many more

It's a damn *sight* different. The main problem in sequenced music not so
much the timing, obviously. The problems are sound quality, parts working
together, etc. You often work with *many* more virtual instruments than
you do when you use just 5 or so players. The variables are different,
and often more than there are in standard rock format.

>variables, called human beings, to control.  Also, human timing is
>never perfect, which is why human drummers sound so much warmer than
>plastic drums.  It's the little errors that give the music its character
>(IMHO, of course)

"plastic" drums? You of all people should realize that a drum machine
contains silicon chips and digital circuits.


>yeah, but could he explain it?

>ob quote, Rick from the Young Ones:

>The only reason that you don't understand our music is because you
>don't like it  

Oh, so *that's* why you don't understand dance/electronic music!
I forgive you all your remarks then :)
Paul

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From: mattw@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Matthew Watson)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Pearls and Swine
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:17:35 GMT
Organization: Customised Software Solutions Centres, AOTC

Anybody out there heard of Pearls and Swine?

There debut album is out now for $14.95, which is a bargain. This is a
band who deserve a lot more attention than they get from the media. It
appears that they are suffering from being too independent (and too loud)
to get commercial airplay, and yet JJJ don't want to play any of their
stuff! So much for supporting new music. Here in Sydney they have had One
article in the Drum Media mag (it was a good one though) but appart from
that have been ignored. Seems like, since they were able to get a good
manager and a record deal before playing any shows, they must be a
"production band", like a metal version of the "Teen Queens"! 

Anyway, enough griping! This record would have to be the best heavy
rock-n-roll record to come out of Australia. It has a very Evil humour
content in every song, and (IMHO) while being
metal(heavy-rock)-influenced, is very unlike American Glam stuff.

Anyway, Buy it if you see it, its an excellent album!

P.S. I have no relationship to the band, other than being a fan, although
I did know the lead singer (??) once when my brother was in a band with
him about two years ago.

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From: s913575@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Matt Fenton)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Female voices are the best!!!
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:53:11 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

pjordan@rp.CSIRO.AU (Patrick Jordan) writes:

>My favourites are Angie Hart from Frente, Becky Barnett from Strange
>Alchemy, and the girl from the Sundays. Also lets not forget Cyndi
>Lauper, and Aretha Franklin, amongst a lot of other great female singers.

Hey, you forgot the best of all - Sinead O'Connor

Matt Fenton.
From: hoconnel@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Heath O'Connell)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: WANTED: Song title and Artist of a song.
Date: 23 Aug 92 02:46:28 GMT
Distribution: aus

quan@sol.surv.utas.edu.au (Stephen Quan) writes:

>I just heard a song on the radio this morning and I was interested in it.
>All I can remember is part of the melody so if you can tell me what the
>song title or its artist, I will appreciate it very much!

>It goes something like this ...

>  "... when you leave, could you please take my heart too?..."

>It is about a guy who was once in love, but because of something that
>transpired the girl is leaving [for good?], and the guy never wants to
>be in love again [except with this girl].

	Well that narrows it down. 
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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Re: JJJ v MMM and the dangers of jumping to conclusions
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:52:37 GMT

carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER) writes:
>opps, no *I* could not,  I've only been playing the humble bass for 2 years..
>still only a learner I'm afraid.  But I could get a sampler to duplicate
>a lot of the so called "modern"  music reasonably convincingly inside
>6 months, with a big budget, especially if it was dance music.  It has it's
>place,  but it's not exactly hard to create is it ...

I seriously doubt that. Firstly, sampling well is a skill which takes time
and practice. Then, looping and integrating the samples into the song is
another painstaking, often trial-and-error process. Composition of the
overall sound is not as easy as it seems to you. I wonder, have you ever
*tried* to create a dance track?

Anyone can write a "dance" song. Anyone can write a mainstream rock song.
But whether it's good, original, and interesting to fans of the genre,
that's the big point.

I am sure that any big-time producer could record a reasonable cover version
of "Groove is in the Heart" but where would that get them? Not very far.
The point is that the dance hits are generally either original but not very
well developed, or more developed songs which are often not entirely original.
Sometimes you get highly developed songs which are the first of their kind,
but this is rare, because for any genre to develop takes time.

>How long does an audio-engineering course take again ?

What??? Are you implying that any audio engineer could make hit dance music???
I think not. 

>please note:  I said _duplicate_ not create, I couldn't actually
>make something new, or at least, not with the finesse of a creative
>musician trained for years on a sequencer and midi ...  

I doubt you could duplicate a lot of the sounds and samples and in many
cases the effects and techniques which went into the production.

>_so_ sorry..  how about "gosh, but I've got a non-JJJ viewpoint and that
>might upset a few people so don't bother reading this if you're easily
>offended", and anyway, what's wrong with an operatic title?  I know,
>no synths in classic opera, that's it isn't it ...


>oh, I'm not a teenager either.

He didn't say you were, did he? :)
Paul




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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: gifford@krang.vis.citri.edu.au (Jonathan Gifford)
Subject: The Chills, The Cure
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:16:48 GMT

Hi,

Having unleashed some vitriol on a couple of unsuspecting people in
the last few days, I thought I should try to say something more
constructive, and give them the right of reflame...

The "quintessential pop band" were here in Melbourne from Thursday
through till Sunday, playing at the "quintessential NZ venue" The
Club. Funny how the only time I ever seem to go there is when someone
from NZ is over, but...

The Chills were bigger than I'd seen them for a while, and sounded
much tighter than I remember last time I saw them. Given the number of
lineup changes they've had, of course, its difficult to remember just
who was there last time, maybe someone can tell me what the latest
change was.

Someone said to me recently that he didn't like the Chills cos M.P.
(Martin Phillips) always wrote the same song. That seems to me to be a
pretty accurate description of most of his songs, but its counter
balanced by the fact that they are all good, and at least subtly
different. Maybe its just nostalgia for my days at Orientation at
Canterbury, but I still think they're great songs. They played quite a
few oldies on Sunday. I can't tell you how happy I was when they
finally played "leather jacket" - standing next to someone who screams
out "I LOVE MY LEATHER JACKET" between every song is not pleasant...
Can't remember exactly what old songs they played (alcoholic memory
dysfunction yet again), but Dark Carnival sounded good.

I got the feeling they were rushing through some of the songs, due
mainly to the clipped delivery of some of the lyrics (eg: leather
jacket). I prefer a much more messy, unprofessional, loose sound at
live shows, I guess, provided the looseness is due to improvisation
rather than inability.  If I want a "perfect" sound, I can buy a CD!
Here is my major quandry, in that some of the time it felt to me that
they were just pumping out the songs, note-perfect but with no
feeling. This is odd, because M.P.  seems to be writing much more
"meaningful" songs these days (about domestic violence, the
environment, blah blah blah), so its odd that they should be performed
so emotionlessly. The new songs seem much more ornately structured
than earlier stuff, somehow. Thats nice, because it means I can like
all their stuff, but for different reasons...

On now to something different - did anyone see the Cure, and were they
worth seeing? I haven't really heard anything from them lately that
would make me want to dish out loads of money to go see them, so I
stayed at home... Comments anyone?

jon


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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER)
Subject: Re: JJJ v MMM and the dangers of jumping to conclusions
Organization: Dept. Engineering Computer Resources, Melbourne Uni.
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:59:52 GMT

In article <craigb.715326632@morgana> craigb@resmel.bhp.com.au (Craig Blundell) writes:
>I see no solution to this fascinating discussion other than to get Couchman
>to do a program called "MMM vs JJJ".
>
>I'd suggest that he gets 20 hardcore MMM listeners, and 20 hardcore JJJ
>listeners and see if they can resolve their differences in one hour. 
>
>While he's at it, he might try to resolve the "Astrology vs Science"
>debate, "Unemployment in Australia", "The role of religion in achieving
>peace in the twentieth century", and "Why the AFL is better than the NSWRL"

or "should we ban Death Metal", opps, it's been done hasn't it ...
it was damn funny to watch :)


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From: richard@kurango.cit.gu.edu.au (Stop That Pigeon!!!)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Cut+Paste (wasRe: Sampled "Art" (was Re: MMM)
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:25:57 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.

brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May) writes:

>'cut + paste' music started with sampling technology (right?)

Wrong.

People have been doing this (at least) since tape-recorders have been
available. I've heard stuff from the early sixties, but I'm sure that's
not even close to the start of it.

The problem with a lot of the stuff that's been discussed here is, in 
my view, that the technology is being used in ``Casio Home Keyboard'' mode.
Nobody that you'll hear on JJJ (*) or MMM uses any of the technology to
anywhere near its full potential (**).

Instead, they turn it on, dial up a rhythm track (or steal someone else's),
sequence it, don't bother with a melody and let it run for a couple of years.
Oh and when it gets *really* boring, throw in a filter sweep.

If you want to hear the technique - waste some money on the junk remixes on
the Severed Heads Twister CD. The original version stands out like a pearl
in an unemptied chamberpot.

richard

(*) Possible exceptions: Severed Heads, Scattered Order.
(**) Where do I get off making statements like this? I've been using
     samplers for years. I own an Ensoniq EPS16+ and learned to sample
     way-back-when on a Fairlight Series II. I KNOW how these things can
     be made to sing.
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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: scienger@ecr.mu.OZ.AU (Christopher_Robert INNES)
Subject: Re: MMM
Organization: Dept. Of Engineering Computer Resources, Uni. Of Melbourne
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:57:38 GMT



> I just so love those pseudo-original bands (PWEI etc) that 
> seems to be JJJ's main fare...  calling that drivel "from the 90's
> is more dishonest than MMM ....

Another example of the PWEI vs the moral majority......

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From: tarmstro@metz.une.edu.au (tarmstro)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: ROLLINS BAND TOUR DATES PLEASE
Date: 1 Sep 92 02:40:41 GMT

Hi,
   Can anyone give me tour dates for Sydney and or Brisbane for the 
Henry Rollins Band. I know that there is an all ages show with the Hard Ons
at the Horden on Sept 13, but when (and where) else is the man gonna be?
Can't miss this one!

Thanks in advance
Tim
tarmstro@metz.une.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: derbyc@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Derby Chang)
Subject: The Tin Lids Schlock File
Organization: Telectronics Pacing Systems
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:22:16 GMT

Driving home yesterday, I decided to go back and listed to Rogerson on JJJ
to see if anything had changed.  I actually found myself laughing at Danno.

To my astonishment, he played the new single put out by Jimmy Barnes' kids
in collaboration with the lead singer of Yothu Yindi (sorry, I don't know
how to spell it).  Did the Tin Lids really make enough money last time to
give it another go???  God, they were awful.  When can I buy the single?
From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Nu-Music and unsigned bands
Date: 30 Aug 92 09:57:18 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May) writes:

>Basically they are exploiting bands who have no recordings by offering them
>a place on a CD recorded, produced and distributed by them for promotional 
>reasons.  They have little or no quality control, unfortunately and good songs
>(there are a couple over the Nu-music series) get lost in a sea of shit.

My feelings:
1) Being the best song on the CD can be good. I imagine 52 would put the best
   songs first. The A&R people would notice one good song out of a bunch of
   bad ones, esp. if it's the first track.
2) This being a "promotional" item for 52 as well as the bands, I would expect
   them to make it as good as possible, given the raw material which they
   receive. The existence of 4 CD so far indicates that bands remain satisfied
   with the value received from this scheme.
3) 52 being an established company with contacts in the industry, I think that
   being released on a "known" label is better than pure independent release.


>The bands pay roughly $750 for this.

>The "Elastic Tea Party" CD which "The Ergot Derivative", "Breather Hole",
>"The Inked Factor" put out themselves independently cost each band $600.  The
>CD belongs to _them_!

That is good value, though. Who produced this and where was it recorded?

Paul

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From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: Alternative to what?
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 00:18:59 GMT


In article <1992Aug20.030327.4081@tplrd.tpl.oz.au>, derbyc@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Derby Chang) writes:
|> How do they decide what goes onto an alternative chart list??
|> 
|> It can't be because the group is simply on an independent label, otherwise
|> we would no longer see the likes of the Pixies, or the Cocteau Twins ( who
|> have both left 4AD to join Sony, I think ), and Ride are on the same label
|> as Madonna.  Is it dependent on how many units they shift in independent
|> record stores, or that they don't have Phil Collins or Mark Knopfler as

I think it's just on how many 'units' a chosen (for the indie chart) store
actually sells during a week.  Here, indie stores are less likely to stock
the latest Genesis boxed set etc :) so won't chalk up 100 sales for the indie
chart in a given week.  At least I think that's how it's done......  The
important factor here then is which shops are surveyed for the chart in question.

This week's Juke charts have bands on Majors and Indies in their 'Alternative'
chart.  Their version kinda fits then.

|> deciding who is an `indie' and who is not?  And what happens when someone
|> does a Frente, and even the HMV record store DJ starts playing them?  Do
|> they still qualify to be on the alternative charts?

Frente are on the Mushroom label, which is still seen as a independent label!
Still - what is independent? Alternative? Who cares?  Everyone's going to have
their own version. ;)
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From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: MMM
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:22:03 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3


	Have noticed in this insightful discussion a
bad mouthing of "sampled music".

	If you care to think about it - it is not so
different to playing the stuff.

	If you are good at playing guitar most traditional
songs are easily repeated.  If you are good with your computer
most sampled songs are acheivable.

	I think it is time for the elistist instrumental bullshit
to end.  The computer/sampler is an instrument.  No more or less
valid in its own right than any other.

	Any one who's heard the Beastie Boys new disc knows has
heard a lot of self sampling and looping done.  It is not "cheating".

			
			Colin
From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: U2 to tour Oz - Hunters and Collectors to support?
Date: 31 Aug 92 02:51:42 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3


andrewd@ecr.mu.oz.au (Andrew_John DISSELDORP) writes:
: 
: Eastern Creek Raceway. Other venues are unknown at this stage. Polygram
: are placing a petition in record stores from this Tuesday (1st Sep) to get
: U2 to play 2 shows in each state. 
: 
: 	PLEASE SIGN THIS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE U2 IN AUSTRALIA
:

	Is there a petition I can sign to keep U2 out of the country. 
: 
: Comments Anyone.......
: 
:


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	P'raps even better than Billy Joel!
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Cut+Paste (wasRe: Sampled "Art" (was Re: MMM)
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:57:29 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)


someone said:
>Nowadays, collage is considered a valid artform, however you will no
>doubt have noticed that this has *not* resulted in the art galleries
>of the world becoming filled with any old rubbish stuck together by
>any old talentless dweeb who can handle a pair of scissors and a 
>gluestick!

Diversion:

Many 'artists' have said that the progression of 'ideas' (or
movements) starts off in the visual arts, moves to writing and (finally)
to music. (i'm sure it gets to theatre/film/dance too - but haven't thought..)

'cut + paste' visual art was happening shortly after the turn of the century
'cut + paste' writing started in the 50s'
'cut + paste' music started with sampling technology (right?)

Now with this cyber-dada visual 'art' - it's starting to cycle again!

(cyber-dada art is japanese packaging and PCBs pasted on a board :-)

-------

...just a muse,

brian
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From: williamsr@magill.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: The Chills, The Cure
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:21:43 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: University of South Australia - Magill


In article <9224123.28054@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, andrewd@ecr.mu.oz.au (Andrew_John DISSELDORP) writes:

[Much Deleted]

> P.S. Did they do 3 encores as standard on the Oz tour?

Can't say for the rest of the country, but I saw 'em on Wednesday night in 
Adelaide, and they played three encores then.

Cheers,
Rob.