From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: WHO OWNS WHO?...or is it whom?...or what?
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:57:20 GMT
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In <1992Aug18.131303.15483@ncsu.edu> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu writes:

> In article <1992Aug18.013913.23702@menudo.uh.edu> 
> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
> 
> >dsh@odin.ece.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
> 
> >> Wait just a second.  Didn't you once claim that most pro-lifers do not
> >> agree with Steve Chaney's remarks?  If you're now claiming to be pro- 
> >> "choice", then what business do you have saying such a thing?  
> 
> > Well, Doug, considering the remarks of Mr. Chaney's that I was responding
> > to, I would be shocked to find ANYbody willing to agree with them, much less
> > us more reasonable "pro-lifers".  
> 
> That isn't the point.  I believe you said that you were pro-life, and that 
> most pro-lifers do not agree with Mr. Chaney's views.  Is that not correct?
> Now you are saying you're pro-choice.  I don't think you're entitled to 
> ostracize Mr. Chaney from the pro-life viewpoint in this manner. 

  Well, fine.  I say I'm pro-life.  Maybe you disagree, but I don't entirely
care.  And so, I felt perfectly able to say that I believed most pro-lifer's
(of ANY definition) would the remarks distasteful and would desire to separate
themselves from them.  Now, I am not a formal member of any group, certainly
have no power within any of the abortion-related groups and could not
ostracize Mr. Chaney from a peanut butter sandwich.  Nor did I ostracize
him from the pro-life viewpoint as such.  I was separating his particular
comments related to parents and children who take opposing political view-
points from the pro-life camp.  They were related to the abortion issue
peripherally at best--I do not believe my speaking against them could in any
way be construed as divorcing Chaney from the pro-life camp WRT to abortion
issues.

  Personally, I find your desire to grouse about "who am you to do such a thing
when you're not really pro-life (as you see it, Doug)" rather than also
condemning them (though maybe you did and I missed it) at once amusing and
disappointing.

> >> And since you're claiming to be pro-"choice", do you support unrestricted 
> >> abortion on demand throughout the term of pregnancy?  
> 
> > Personally and legally, no.  
> 
> Then some people are not going to be happy with your "pro-choice" label.
> Look at the way Ms. Bartley was viciously attacked by the more radical
> pro-abortionists.  She puts "pro-choice" in her .sig and all the little
> pro-abortion ninnys began to complain.  The fact is, Ms. Bartley's views
> represent the views of mainstream America -- people don't believe in
> unrestricted abortion on demand, like we have today. 

  Were I especially worried about keeping people happy, I wouldn't post
here in the first place.  I *suspect* Ms. Bartley and I have much in common.
I will defend my position from those on ALL sides with equal fervor.

> I think you meant to say "Dolton", not "Dalton".

  Yeah.

> As I've pointed out before, Roe v. Wade is abortion on demand throughout
> the term of pregnancy.  See the thread entitled "The Truth about ...".
> I have documentation that I will gladly send to you or anyone else to
> support my claim. 

  I see your legal viewpoint.  I just don't agree with it.

> > Somehow, I feel extremists from both sides are not gonna look favorably on
> > this post...
> 
> I don't particularly care what you call yourself.  But I don't appreciate
> your efforts to ostracize Mr. Chaney from the pro-life movement. 
> Doug Holtsinger

  Couldn't do that even if I wanted to.  But I've already covered that.  Steve
isn't complaining to me, why should you?

semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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