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From: fangchin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Chin Fang)
Subject: Re: The cost of free software (was Re: whining about "marketing")
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 16:11:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.120249.6589@mks.com>, davidf@mks.com (David J. Fiander) writes:
|> Warning: the following is a blantant plug from somebody who
|> used to work down the hall from the guy who did the port.

It doesn't matter.  Glad you raised this topic :) As I have something to say.

|> You're right.  InterViews alone took several weeks of a friend's
|> time to port. 

This obviously depends on what type of Unices you try to port to. 
The following should be a straightforward build:

(1) Irix   (of course, that's where Mark Linton works these days)
(2) SunOS  (it's because most of these Ph.D students working on IV use SPARCs)
(3) Ultrix (DEC pays, so it gets supported. Money is important in USA :)

The following should be a small porting effort:

AIX 3.2    (in fact, IV is provided officially by IBM these days)

I don't have SYR4 (too broke :( but I have a strong suspicision that
it's a small effort too (hint, anything with a strong BSD flavor 
is in good shape :)

It's going to be a serious effort for the following

AT&T System V Release 3.x or earlier (in the entire Stanford CIS building,
                                      you will be hard pressed to find one
                                      machine running *pure* System V :(

But there is a will, there is a way, as the saying goes.

Yes. doc is nice.  Idraw has a devoted following too.

Have fun.

Chin Fang
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From: michaelc@obmarket (Michael Campbell)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.emacs
Subject: Emacs for HP 3000 under MPE
Date: 5 Apr 92 05:23:27 GMT
Organization: Mikes private machine

Would  be  willing  to	give  a	 finders fee to	the first person able to
aquire	the  executables  for  emacs  running under MPE	V for an HP 3000
mini.	Reply  to  michaelc@obmarket,  or  michaelc@vicstoy.  Thanks  in
advance!
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: peter@ferranti.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Any comments on `Unix-Lite'?
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 19:45:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.055524.12740@lth.se> bengtl@maths.lth.se (Bengt Larsson) writes:
> I always suspected you meant System V when you said UNIX.

I've used System V and SunOS lately. I have been given to understand that
HPUX and NeXT OS (both having more in common with BSD) are similarly high
quality.
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From: spp@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Stephen Potter)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Easier then multiple greps?
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:40:47 GMT
Followup-To: email or group.  Will summarize if interest
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

I have a number of files that I deal with everyday that have certain strings in
them that I don't need.  What I am doing for the moment is running them through
a little script that does multiple grep -v.  Other than just piping the output
from one grep through the next, is there any other way this could be done to
cut down on time and usage.  Ie: this is what my job looks like.....

grep -v string1 $1 > tmp ; mv tmp $1
grep -v string2 $1 > tmp ; mv tmp $1
etc.

I know I could do this:
grep -v string1 $1 | grep -v string2 | ...

Is there anything better than either of these?


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the rivers dream.  People made of smoke and cities made of sound.  Somewhere
there's danger.  Somewhere there's injustice.  Somewhere else the tea's getting 
cold. 	Come on Ace, we've got work to do." -Dr Who, spp@reef.cis.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: k2@bl.physik.tu-muenchen.de (Klaus Steinberger)
Subject: Re: Quotas and /tmp
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 08:42:51 GMT

nigel@cnw01.storesys.coles.oz.au (Nigel Harwood) writes:

>We have quotas running on our UFS file systems under SVR4 and
>decided to put in another disk.  One of the partitions on this new
>disk was /tmp as this is meant to improve performance marginally.
>After setting this up we found that we could no longer stop/start
>quotas as the quotaon and quotaoff programs do a link between
>a temporary file in /tmp and the /etc/mnttab.  We have patched the
>programs to use /usr/tmp but I would assume that many users of
>quotas must have separate /tmp partitions, what did you do?

This must be a bug introduced by SVR4, on our System with BSD
derived quota's there is no problem with separate /tmp partition.

Klaus
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.msdos,comp.unix.question,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d
From: libove@libove.det.dec.com (Jay Vassos-Libove)
Subject: Re: Can't get Zmodem to work: Ultrix to PC. Help.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Detroit Ultrix Resource Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:53:10 GMT

In article <TANU.92Apr5202332@beach.csulb.edu> tanu@beach.csulb.edu (     Tanu Kartawiria) writes:

   Hope some of you guys can help me. I'm trying to download files using
   Zmodem from Unix (Ultrix) to/from PCs. I have 'sz' (v0525) and have tried to
   compile it both in Ultrix and NeXT computers. On my PC I have DSZ.COM
   (v.1015). 
   The problem is SZ and DSZ won't work *unless* I dial from
   PCs to Ultrix using DSZ in terminal mode(which is very cumbersome). 
   If I dial using any other communication program such as ProComm or MLink,
   and shell out to DOS to run DSZ (or use their built-in Zmodem protocol),
   DSZ (or SZ) won't be able to communicate. They give me TIMEOUT error or
   UNKNOWN character error message.

Your problem isn't related to the system at the other end - Ultrix can
send zmodem protocol just fine with the assorted versions of the "sz"
program to be found all over the network.

You should find a terminal program that has an integral zmodem download
receiver built in. Probably you are having trouble shelling out of a
terminal program and running the zmodem receiver on the PC because
either the terminal program has set the modem port to some funny
mode, or because the zmodem receiver doesn't know what funny mode
to set the port to.

I recommend the "lync" terminal program. It is tiny, fast, seems to
have few or no bugs, uncludes zmodem download, and is free or shareware.
I found it on the simtel20 archive.

Good luck
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From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: No bootlegging hurts Unix
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:03:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: darkstar.32186
Followup-To: comp.unix.misc
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz


Particularly since at SUG conferences the thing we hear over and over from
Sun representatives is what they are doing to make things work for vendors
of shrink-wrapped software.

A closely related problem we run into is that vendors don't seem to have
thought about how to license software in server/client environments.  Some
are dabbling with license servers, some have price ranges depending on
how many workstations there are on the site, some want you to buy a separate
license for each machine serial number, some will sell you a site-wide
license, etc.

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From: nigel@cnw01.storesys.coles.oz.au (Nigel Harwood)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Quotas and /tmp
Date: 11 Apr 92 05:11:27 GMT
Organization: Coles Supermarkets

We have quotas running on our UFS file systems under SVR4 and
decided to put in another disk.  One of the partitions on this new
disk was /tmp as this is meant to improve performance marginally.
After setting this up we found that we could no longer stop/start
quotas as the quotaon and quotaoff programs do a link between
a temporary file in /tmp and the /etc/mnttab.  We have patched the
programs to use /usr/tmp but I would assume that many users of
quotas must have separate /tmp partitions, what did you do?

Regards
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.sysv386
From: davidf@mks.com (David J. Fiander)
Subject: Re: The cost of free software (was Re: whining about "marketing")
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:07:14 GMT

According to fangchin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Chin Fang) (in <1992Apr14.161134.8847@leland.Stanford.EDU>):
>
>I don't have SYR4 (too broke :( but I have a strong suspicision that
>it's a small effort too (hint, anything with a strong BSD flavor 
>is in good shape :)
>
>It's going to be a serious effort for the following
>
>AT&T System V Release 3.x or earlier (in the entire Stanford CIS building,
>                                      you will be hard pressed to find one
>                                      machine running *pure* System V :(

In other words, it runs great on all the systems that only
hacks hiding in research labs run.

Don't forget that Peter works for a living.  Hence he uses SCO
UNIX and XENIX.  These are (or look like) System V Rel 3.2.
From: hendrick@ctron.com (Jim Hendrick)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Source Control Software Query
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:30:39 GMT
Organization: Cabletron Systems Inc.

Hi
	Does anyone know of a source control system that does NOT
require that all the master file systems be exported read/write? It
would seem that this could be done using some sort of client-server model
so that submitting changes would request the server make these entried in
its database (rather than the client machine running an executable that does
a setuid to "source-control" and then modifies the source file system
directly). This would seem to provide (at least) two benefits, first
of all, network nfs traffic should be reduced, second it would seem to
be much more secure in that the actual master source database would not
be accessable to end users. If there is such a beast, please let me know
via email (as I will be posting this to several groups that I read only
occasionally).

Thanks!!

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From: bengtl@maths.lth.se (Bengt Larsson)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Any comments on `Unix-Lite'?
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:43:50 GMT
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden

In article <BMAr6s.AG3@world.std.com> madd@world.std.com (jim frost) writes:

>Remember the maintenance account that used to be shipped with the
>default VAX/VMS distribution?  How many releases did it take before
>that was removed?

Several :-) But I'm talking about today here. This was some years ago
(I don't know exactly how many).

Bengt Larsson.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.sysv386
From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: whining about "marketing" (was Re: Does every ...)
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:57:17 GMT

larry@news.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>>They ought to be. They cost enough.

>wait a minute -- Word Perfect for UNIX isn't much more than WP for
>DOS --  

I think I paid $215 or so for WP for DOS.  Where can I get
WP for SVR3 for anywhere near $215?  Please advise.

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: fangchin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Chin Fang)
Subject: Re: No bootlegging hurts Unix
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 19:38:25 GMT

In article <id.2BYO.QN8@ferranti.com>, peter@ferranti.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr15.195312.4869@leland.Stanford.EDU> fangchin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Chin Fang) writes:
|> > ME CAD, absolutely NO!  EE CAD, a resounding YES!
|> 
|> How about architectural CAD?

ME CAD certainly can be used for architectual CAD (Hey, I am a ME :).  So
answer is NO again (I hate this :(

|> > Spice from UC Berkeley's ERL.
|> 
|> Sounds like they've really spiced up spice. Last time I used it you just
|> gave it a net list as a text file. Of course, that WAS 1979.

Yeah, I put in 3f1 a few weeks ago on our systems. It gives you hypertext
on line help, does fancy drawings, and all that good stuff.  So I guess it's
been *spiced* up from your days.  I started dealing with it since 1990, so
I guess I don't have any bad impression about it.

Chin Fang
fangchin@leland.$tanford.edu B-(
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From: kv56962@cs.tut.fi (V{{r{nen Kari)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: No bootlegging hurts Unix
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:21:06 GMT
	<1992Apr13.170425.28401@sci34hub.sci.com> <id.FFXO.HS7@ferranti.com>
Organization: Tampere Univ. of Technology, Finland.
Disclaimer: Opinions expressed below are writers own.


> I'm talking about cheap applications. I don't see a cheap word processor on
> the horizon anywhere, let alone a cheap spreadsheet or CAD application or
> animation program.                      ^^^^^^^^^^^

Try sc! (Hey, you said cheap, not the best there is.. :o)

		kjv

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From: madd@world.std.com (Bob Nagle)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: pc unix (was Re: whining about ...)
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:19:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.BMnpHB.7zn
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die

keith@ksmith.uucp (Keith Smith) writes:
>What's probably gonna happen is that NT is gonna HELP unix.  It will
>look like unix, run like unix, taste like unix, and we'll end up with
>another unix-like operating system to work off of, that might have some
>application bleed over...

NT won't look, run, or taste like UNIX.  POSIX compatibility is
considered a "checkbox item" (presumably they need it to sell to the
government) but Microsoft strongly discourages application development
within the POSIX environment -- they encourage WIN32 development
instead.  This makes a lot of sense considering that nearly all of the
nifty features of NT aren't available in POSIX right now.

Personally I don't know how they could even make a POSIX environment
out of NT's process model.  Until I see the POSIX environment
first-hand I won't believe it works -- and if it does work I'll stand
agape at the programming talents that made it happen because it's
going to be damned difficult.

My opinion is that NT will further segregate the industry.  If it
works as promised (given MS's history this is not particularly likely)
it could kill UNIX on the desktop.  If it works at all it's going to
give UNIX desktop platforms a run for their money.  At any rate NT
won't look anything like UNIX -- either inside or outside.

Happy hacking,

jim frost
madd@world.std.com
From: bengtl@maths.lth.se (Bengt Larsson)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Any comments on `Unix-Lite'?
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:53:39 GMT
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden

In article <id.WBTO.4VJ@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>I've used System V and SunOS lately. I have been given to understand that
>HPUX and NeXT OS (both having more in common with BSD) are similarly high
>quality.

As you probably noted all my examples of security bugs are present in
SunOS.  NeXT OS seems more careful (I've only looked at it briefly).
It does have a writable root directory, though (though it's sticky).
And of course every daemon runs as root, as in BSD.  I haven't looked
at HPUX. HPUX is a BSD kernel with a SysV interface.  Those trying to
port BSD apps to HPUX don't have kind words to say about it. NeXT OS
is as far as I know not POSIX compatible. 

This reenforces my statement that UNIX does not exist. Except maybe
as compatible SysV variants on PC:s.

Bengt Larsson.
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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: No bootlegging hurts Unix
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:16:08 GMT
	<1992Apr7.114429.12732@lokkur.dexter.mi.us>
	<1992Apr8.141903.3507@sci34hub.sci.com> <id.OBTO.ULJ@ferranti.com>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter da Silva (peter@ferranti.com)
>>>>> "Gary" == Gary Heston (gary@sci34hub.sci.com)

Gary> Agreed. I think most software is overpriced, though, so if I can't
Gary> afford it, I don't have it. I can't justify $500 for a C compiler
Gary> to play with at home.

"Hey, a Mercedes-Benz 500CES is more than I could possibly pay. Hafta
steal it". If a product cost more than you are willing to pay, well,
don't buy it. Simple.

Peter> So use a cheaper one at home.

True. Get a VW.

Peter> The problem with UNIX is these cheaper products don't seem to exist.

GCC, Peter, GCC.

/Lars
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From: ajayshah@alhena.usc.edu (Ajay Shah)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: "Open Systems"
Date: 8 Apr 1992 13:44:46 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alhena.usc.edu

On page 77 of the most-recent issue of Unix Today, it talks about
people who did not like the change of name to Open Systems Today:

        Clearly, they are all Unix bigots, not Unix purists.
        Bigots have an irrational faith in the chosen path; 
        purists understand that one of the basic tenets of
        the Unix philosophy is to use the right tool for a
        given job, and that doesn't always mean Unix.


1. a Unix purist is someone who appreciates the Unix way of solving
problems.  No, the VMS or Mediocresoft way of solving problems is NOT
the Unix way.

2. The main reason for hating the name "Open Systems Today" has to do
with the term "Open Systems", not Unix.  When Sun started out on the
open systems trek a decade ago, it was a truly novel way of destroying
IBM and DEC, and they transformed the computer industry as a
consequence.  Today, it is the most abused weapon in the arsenal of
marketing scum.

Today, IBM warns customers of the dangers of "getting locked into open
systems".  DEC claims VMS has been "opened up".  Oliver Stone produces
a movie about the "Open" Software Foundation.  Microsoft claims DOS is
"Open" and promises Windoze NT will be "Open".

Today, the word "Open" means close to nothing apart from identifying
you as marketing slime.  The word "Unix", on the other hand still
means something.  A system is Unix if and only if it will compile and
run everything on prep.ai.mit.edu without restrictions.  So: No, VMS
is not Unix.  DOS is not Unix.  Windoze NT is not Unix.  No matter
what the MBAs say.

        -ans.
-- 

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From: dhesi@cirrus.com (Rahul Dhesi)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: "Open Systems"
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:15:18 GMT
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.

In <ku6mpuINNm80@alhena.usc.edu> ajayshah@alhena.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes:

>DOS is not Unix.

UNIX is a DOS, however.
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From: alan@auad.acadiau.ca (Alan McKay)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Mac access to Unix printers
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:55:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Acadia University

kenney@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Kenney) writes:

>Does anyone know of any free software that will listen for AppleTalk packets
>on Ethernet to allow Macs to access printers attached to Unix systems?

>Please respond by email.

>Thanks in advance.

I haven't installed it yet myself, but I've heard a lot about it.  The
program you are looking for is "netatalk".  There is a mailing list too.

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From: bruce@blilly.UUCP (Bruce Lilly)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: whining about "marketing" (was Re: Does every ...)
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:30:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: blilly.1992Apr7.233055.29477
Organization: Bruce Lilly

In article <id.1OHO.HQE@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (Peter da Silva) wrote:
> Did you
>actually read the rest of my article?

Every word (even the headers).

Don't take it so personally.

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: davidf@mks.com (David J. Fiander)
Subject: Re: NeXT WP grips (was Really Misleading Subject)
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:56:14 GMT

According to eigenstr@nyssa.cs.rose-hulman.edu (Todd R. Eigenschink) (in <EIGENSTR.92Apr12134437@nyssa.cs.rose-hulman.edu>):
>3. Pseudo-toasters.  Somewhere in the neighborhood of 350 NeXT
>   machines.  They're considered to have infested our otherwise pleasant
>   campus.
>4. Real computers.  A still-growing lab of Sun hardware.  Perhaps this

Hey!  The NeXT is a real computer.  Just because you're not
running what you consider to be a real O/S on, don't get
upset.  Plan 9 runs on the NeXT.  Now, if only I was a
university.

- David
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.sys.sun.misc