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From: buch@ims.fhg.de (Michael Buchmann)
Subject: Question about Lsim
Keywords: Lsim GDT Parameters
Organization: Fraunhofer Gesellschaft (IMS)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:27:43 GMT


Hi GDT-Users 
A smiple question according Lsim: can I tell Lsim to use different sets
of parameters dependend on the length of a transistor? Different sets
of parameters are possible (SLOW,NOM,FAST). But can I make him switch
automatically dependend on the length?
Thanks in advance.

Michael.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
From: kim_kelley@mentorg.com (Kim Kelley)
Subject: MUG Focus Groups for Software Support
Originator: nancyp@nancyp
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:38:19 GMT

Would you like to help shape the future of Mentor Graphics 
Software Support at the upcoming Mentor Graphics User's 
Group (MUG)?  We would appreciate your participation 
in a one-hour luncheon to discuss the following areas:

Session 1: Monday, October 26 - 12 noon to 1:00 pm
--------------------------------------------------
Electronic Support - what additional services can Mentor 
Graphics provide?  (Internet access, modem support 
line, knowledge base access, electronic mail, voice mail, 
fax capability, remote login).  This session will include 
15 minutes of demonstration and 45 minutes of discussion.
Audience: 15-20 participants.

Session 2: Tuesday, October 27 - 12 noon to 1:00 pm
---------------------------------------------------
Software Support - How are we doing?  What changes can 
we make to assist you with your desired productivity 
goals?  (Process support, packaging, electronic capability, 
on-site support).  What does support mean to you?  This 
session will allow us to understand how we can improve the
support services we provide to you.  Audience: 10-15 
participants.

Session 3: Thursday, October 29 - 12 noon to 1:00 pm
----------------------------------------------------
Training and Documentation - We're interested in your 
feedback about training courses (both on-site and 
training center), Personal Learning Programs, online 
documentation, and paper manuals.  This session will 
include 15 minutes discussion of some current training 
and documentation plans followed by 45 minutes of 
discussion.  Audience: 10-15 participants.

If you would like to attend any of these sessions, 
please e-mail Kim Kelley at kim_kelley@mentorg.com or 
call 1-503-685-7847.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
From: cardowm1@teomail.jhuapl.edu (Wes Cardone)
Subject: re: e-mail address of Dr Fraeman ?
Reply-To: cardowm1@jhuapl.edu (Wes Cardone)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University / Applied Physics Laboratory
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:36:05 GMT

----------------------
You are correct, Marty does work at APL.  I believe that Marty is
out of the office this week.  However, you may send him email and
let him pick it up when he returns.

You should be able to reach him at:

            martin_fraeman@jhuapl.edu

----------------------
Wes Cardone
cardowm1@jhuapl.edu

In article <1992Sep26.200200.10170@uoft02.utoledo.edu>  writes:
>Hi,
>
>Does anyone know how I can communicate with Dr M E Fraeman ?
>
>I heard that he works at the Applied Physics Laboratory at the
>John Hopkins University.
>
>Any e-mail address, or telephone number will be of great use to
>me to contact him.
>
>Thanks for your help. :)
>--mohan
>
>-- 
>===============================================================================
>+ Mohanakrishna Pakkurti            + mohan@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu           +
>+ HOME: 2917 Kendale #204, Toledo OH 43606. Phone:(419)472-6936               +
>===============================================================================
From: sommer@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Jeremy Sommer)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:25:44 GMT
Subject: Re: Copied components losing HPPN
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor

Sorry again, I was just told this is not a good group for this post.  Please
ignore, I regret the intrusion.

-Jeremy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
From: mjones@razi.eecs.umich.edu (Matthew C. Jones)
Subject: Linking DFI Applications
Followup-To: comp.sys.mentor 
Summary: Cannot link due to undefined symbols
Keywords: DFI, C++, g++ 2.2.2
Organization: University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:44:58 GMT

I have been writing an application which needs access
to Mentor's DFI.  My application is in C++, and I 
am using g++ 2.2.2.

When I do the final link, I get the following:

/idea/bin/dfilink -L/usr/X11R5/lib -L/afs/engin.umich.edu/class/eecs426/CLASS/tools/NewCAF/lib/sparc-sun -L/afs/engin.umich.edu/class/eecs426/CLASS/tools/sparc-sun/lib Test.o String.o -o Test -lg++ -lMoo
CClink 2.1.15-0d sun.sparc.sunos
ld: Undefined symbol 
   _open__8ofstreamPCcii 
   ___builtin_delete 
   ___builtin_new 
   ___8ofstream 
   _mgc_main 
   ___builtin_saveregs 
Could not pre-link to audit for global object initializers

What am I missing?  Am I trying to do the impossible by
mixing g++ and DFI/CClink?  Please say it isn't so!

thanks for any help,

matthew jones
mjones@eecs.umich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
From: sundar@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Sundaram Natarajan)
Subject: PRESS RELEASE-MGC NAMES VICE PRESIDENT OF IC GROUP
Organization: Mentor Graphics, Silicon Design Division
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:40:29 GMT

-----------
PRESS RELEASE

For more information contact:

Dottie Wanat
Corporate Communications
Mentor Graphics Corporation
(503) 685-7000

MENTOR GRAPHICS NAMES ALLES VICE PRESIDENT AND GENERAL MANAGER OF 
INTEGRATED CIRCUIT GROUP

Wilsonville, Ore. - September 28, 1992 - Mentor Graphics Corporation 
announced today that Hal Alles has been named Vice President and General 
manager of the company's Integrated Circuit Group.  Alles will oversee 
all of the division's activities including product development and 
marketing.

"Hal is truly one of this industry's superstars," said Mentor Graphics 
Chairman and CEO Thomas Bruggere.  "His technical expertise, leadership 
and visionary talents enhance an already formidable management team in 
the IC Group."

Alles, an accomplished entrepreneur and industrial researcher, was 
previously Mentor's Corporate Architect, responsible for developing the 
long-term architecture of the Mentor Graphics product line.  Alles co-
founded Silicon Design Labs (SDL) in 1983 where he served as the 
company's president and CEO.  In 1987 SDL was merged with Silicon 
Compiler Systems (SCS), and in 1990 SCS was acquired by Mentor Graphics.  
Recognized as one of the EDA industry's top technologists, Alles holds 
10 patents and is a board member of Open Verilog International and 
participates in VHDL International.

"The integrated circuit is a breeding ground for technology advances," 
said Alles.  "Mentor Graphics' IC Group is a source of these advances 
for the EDA industry.  Our core simulation and synthesis technologies 
combined with already strong IC Group products like GDT, IC Station and 
CheckMate will continue to be a force in EDA."

Mentor Graphics Corporation (NASDAQ:MENT), Wilsonville, Oregon, was 
established in 1981 to design, manufacture, market and service 
electronic design automation (EDA) systems.  The company is a leader in 
worldwide EDA sales, with revenues of $390,976,000 over the past 12 
months.  The company currently employs approximately 2,300 people.  In 
addition to its corporate offices in Wilsonville, Mentor Graphics has 
sales and support offices in locations worldwide.  The company's 
headquarters are located at 8005 S.W. Boeckman Road, Wilsonville, Oregon  
97070-7777.

###

GDT, IC Station and CheckMate are registered trademarks of Mentor 
Graphics Corporation.
From: john@hpsad.sad.hp.com (John Ruf)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
Subject: Re: DDP Help Needed...
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:01:27 GMT
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA

In comp.sys.mentor, cyj9h@csissun12.ee.Virginia.EDU (Charles Y. Choi) writes:


    Does anybody here know about how to extract connectivity information
    between instances using V.8 DDP calls?

DDP is generally used for input/output on a single sheet of a design. It cannot
inherently understand multiple sheets or heirarchy or backannotation in a 
design. DFI on the other hand does understand the whole design and does have the
function calls to do what you want. You may want to take a look at the Mentor
miflist program (available as freeware in source form from Mentor) and use it
as a basis for any programming to extract connectivity.
From: sommer@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Jeremy Sommer)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:36:11 GMT
Subject: Copied components losing HPPN
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor

I've just started entering a schematic in design architect, and I've run into a
problem.  I copy a component, the original of which was selected via HPPN, and
then save.  Upon performing Open Design Sheet, the original retains its HPPN,
but the copied component now has the meaningless identity of "(HPPN)".

Reporting on the component shows no obvious difference between the original and
the copy, although the order of properties is different in the report.

I've tried checking before saving, I've tried Open Sheet instead (which made
_all_ the components have meaningless identities).  So far nothing has worked.

Also suspicious:  although the original component has the HPPN indicated, its
value is shown as something like "(RES_NOM)".  The report shows that its value
is correct, it's just not displayed on the screen.

Also, when I add a power net, such as "+12V", and save and reopen, it becomes
"NET" again.

Question:  what the #$&!@ is going on???

-Jeremy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
From: mike@rtp-nc.mentorg.com (Mike Walsh)
Subject: Test Message
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:47:22 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

This is a posting test, please ignore

-- 
+--------------------------------------------------------------+
| Michael P. Walsh                     mike@rtp-nc.mentorg.com |
|                                       mike_walsh@mentorg.com |
| Application Engineer                                         |
| Mentor Graphics Corporation                   (919) 544-0200 |
| 2525 Meridian Parkway, Suite 260                             |
| Research Triangle Park, North Carolina 27713                 |
+--------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
From: hasse@dit.lth.se (Hans Lindkvist)
Subject: Re: Question about Lsim
Keywords: Lsim GDT Parameters
Reply-To: hasse@dit.lth.se (Hans Lindkvist)
Organization: Dept of Computer Engineering, Lund University, Sweden.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:55:01 GMT


In article <1992Oct1.072743.3675@ims.fhg.de>, buch@ims.fhg.de (Michael Buchmann) writes:
|> 
|> Hi GDT-Users 
|> A smiple question according Lsim: can I tell Lsim to use different sets
|> of parameters dependend on the length of a transistor? Different sets
|> of parameters are possible (SLOW,NOM,FAST). But can I make him switch
|> automatically dependend on the length?
|> Thanks in advance.
|> 
|> Michael.

What I know, you have to change in the Lsim source and then rebuild it.
In the source you put 'switch' mechanism. I'm about to do it today or
in the beginning of next week. If anybody is interested in the procedure
please remind me, and I will post a description ( if I succeed ).

-- 
Hans Lindkvist                      Tel: int'l:  +46 46 109510
Dept. of Computer Engineering       Tel: local:     046 109510
Lund University                     Fax: int'l:  +46 46 104714
P.O. Box 118                        Fax: local:     046 104714
S-221 00  Lund, Sweden              Email:  hasse@dit.lth.se
From: robin@hcsvax.uucp (Robin Akins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cdc
Subject: Wow..!! 334 mips
Summary: wow
Keywords: cdc4680
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:17:55 GMT
Organization: HCS - Public Access Unix for Central Illinois (309-676-0409)

This is really a test of our cnews poster from hcsvax, but did I read
the numbers right for the Control Data 4680, 334 mips for the 4 processor
configuration. That's a monster!!! And made in America...:-).
From: martinea@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Alain Martineau)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.cdc
Subject: old systems availability stats
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:51:35 GMT
Organization: Hydro Quebec

Don't laugh.
We have system 17 with a variety of 40-100, 40-115, 40-800, 40-700. This is an
energy management system. We are procuring a whole new center, but we don't
expect it to come on-line before 6-7 years. In the meanwhile, we may try
to replace the more troublesome pieces of equipment. We did not have any
catastrophic failure up to now and don't have a clear trend for any one
piece of equipment. It would help to convince to convince management if we
could get some numbers on availability, failure rates, MTBF, MTTF, whatever
from others.

Anyone ?

Alain Martineau
Hydro Quebec
martineau@macmartineau.ccr.hydro.qc.ca
(or martinea@ireq.hydro.qc.ca, the first one is still experimental )
514-289-4484
Xref: sparky comp.sys.cdc:137 comp.sys.mips:956 comp.sys.sgi:14300
From: moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Outbound Laptop Macs Any Good?
Keywords: Laptop Mac, Portable Mac
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 11:46:16 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

teplitz@optilink.UUCP (Ron Teplitz) writes:

> The Outbound laptop Macs look pretty nice, and seem to be a good deal.
> Anyone out there have experience with one?  Compatability problems?
> Complaints?  Enthusiastic praise?  Thanks in advance.

I've had one for about 5 months now. Works great. No problems what-so-ever.
Mine is the 68000 at 20Mhz. Faster then an SE by far. (I ran Spectre on it
back to back with my friends SE... blew it away).

Runs Zterm, Alchemy (New version) and through SCSI!, Word, etc...

Fast HD, works with Access PC... I'd say, get one!

<X>orcist

__________________________________________________________________________
   |       /         |\
   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N       [ moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us ]
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac:348 comp.sys.mac.misc:17203
From: burglin@amber.mgh.harvard.edu (Thomas Burglin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Outbound Laptop Macs Any Good?
Keywords: Laptop Mac, Portable Mac
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:52:00 GMT
Organization: Molecular Biology, Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct4.143602.25065@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, dkw@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (David Wittenberg) writes...
>In article <1992Oct3.023821.7371@news.Hawaii.Edu>, deane@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Kimo Kanaka De`ane) writes:
>|> 
>|> a couple days. You decide.
>|> 	The Outbound's screen can't get bright enough for me, and more 
>|> importantly, has moderate to severe ghosting. Again, I found it annoying
>|> over prolonged use. The PB170's active-matrix screen is beautiful, just 
>|> like a Mac+'s. I have not used the other PB screen.
>|> 
>|> 	Personally, I'd save up the extra $ and get a PowerBook. 
> 
>Be aware that the Outbound uses the same screen as the Power Book 145
>(and PB100 and PB140 when they were made), so the screen is an issue
>only if you buy a PB170.
> 
>--David Wittenberg

If you mean that the Powerbooks 100/140/145 use a "normal" lcd screen
(as opposed to the active matrix) you are right.  
However, I have an 140, and the screen is still far superior to
most PC notebooks and (from reviews I have seen) to the outbound.
The 140/145 have nice screens, and I use it as my desktop computer (due
to limited space, much better than a SE or classic).
Thomas
From: din@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Clarence Din)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Mac IIsi chokes on Wizardry BANE and Solarian 2!
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:13:37 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <RL3ZRB2w165w@netlink.cts.com> macdevil@netlink.cts.com (Leonard Cayetano) writes:
>din@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Clarence Din) writes:
>
>> [ My gripe about Bane of the Cosmic Forge crapping out on my new
>>   IIsi.  Also, why doesn't Solarian work? ]
>
>You must be experiencing some type of INIT conflict because I have not 
>been having any problems with my IIsi and the aforementioned games.  What 
>INITs do you have installed on your System?

Okay, I've narrowed it down to one thing.  It's the Mission Screen
INIT, which came with Sky Shadow.  If anyone else plays Sky Shadow
and BANE, make sure you disable the Mission INIT before playing
BANE!

The second problem, why Solarian didn't work is because I was playing
the older 1.02 version.  I recently got 1.04 and it works fine!

Bigger gripe: Captain Magneto messes up the desktop!  Is it because
it draws directly to the screen and requires me to disable
Multifinder?

BTW, Cyberblast in B/W mode really flies on my IIsi!  Yayy!!!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Clarence K. Din
Programmer/Analyst II, Language Analysis Center, University of Pennsylvania
din@gradient.cis.upenn.edu
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
  "I have my toys (D-50 with M-EX, SR-16, TG-16 with CD-ROM, SNES, HP48SX)
   and you don't!  Nyah!!!"
From: kriss@mcl.ucsb.edu (Kriss Boyce)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: just switched to sys. 7 slow?? and macromaker??
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:00:52 GMT

Hi! I just switched to system 7, and it is running slow on my IIsi...and the hard disk sounds like it is always reading....is there a problem, or is it just 
slow?? (sorry if this is a FAQ, I missed it the first time around)

Also, I am wondering if there is a shareware/freeware program that will 
bw like macro maker, since my version will not run on system 7....maybe 
there is a newer version? i could not find it at ftp.apple.com......
thanks!
kriss@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu
From: bower@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Tyson Bower)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: That Blinking Cursor
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:02:31 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

Well, this may or may not be helpful, but...

Right now, I'm staring at a completely solid, non-blinking cursor.

Yippee-skip.  :-/

No big deal... I'm using Zterm 0.9.  If you look under the 
"Terminal Preferences..." menu, there is an option to turn cursor
blinking on and off.  Of course, it doesn't carry over to other 
applications, but if David Alverson (author of Zterm) can do it,
I don't see why someone else can't...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.protocols.nfs
From: gavin@mtl.mit.edu (Gavin C. H. Zau)
Subject: Help connecting Apple Macintosh to PC NFS network
Keywords: apple macintosh, ethernet, pcnfs nfs connect link
Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:23:53 GMT

Hello,
  Our lab current has a LAN of PCs and UNIX workstation running SUN
PC NFS through thin ethernet.  A new coworker however wants to add his
Macintosh Quadra 700 on to our network.  I am not familiar with the Apple
ethernet abilities and protocols and would appreciate any help/info on
how to attach the quadra onto our workstation [ the workstation is our
main file storage and also spools to a postscript printer for the PC].
  Thanks!!!

Gavin
-- 

****************************************************************
Gavin Zau	Dept of Chemical Engineering, MIT, Cambridge, MA
		gavin@mtl.mit.edu  gavinb@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: billie@camelot.bradley.edu (Eliot Frick)
Subject: Re: Desktop PICT?
Organization: Bradley University
Date:  5 Oct 92 05:23:28 GMT

In <BvMCLA.Inn@cs.dal.ca> paixao@ug.cs.dal.ca (Nuno Paixao) writes:

>There is a program at sumex that I believe will do what you want.
>Look for Backdrop in the /info-mac/ex  directory...

Tried it, couldn't get it to work.  I don't know what to do with it... When
I unstuff it, I just get a couple of documents.  I put 'em in the system
folder, nada.  Tried the extensions folder as well, still nothing.  Any
suggestions?
--
"Hampton, this is the 90's.  Take out a loan and buy a clue."  -Plucky
"Rock band auditions today: Must be able to play 3 chords and grimace
musically.  See Steve Dallas."
billie@camelot.bradley.edu
From: mwise@acs.bu.edu (Matthew Wise)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Anagrams
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:35:59 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: mwise@acs.bu.edu

A number of people contacted me asking for a folloy up on my search for a
program to permute anagrams on the Mac.  What I've come up with so far is
Anagramma 1.0 demo.  It's archived as anagramma.hqx at aupair.cs.athabascau.ca 
(131.232.10.8) as well as a few other places.  Even for a demo version I 
found the interface kind of clunky & wierd.  I'm pretty sure I don't want to
pay US$20 for the real version.   Anybody out there think they can do better?
Let me know

Matt 
-- 
mwise@acs.bu.edu                                     _Pryck_:a bodyart magazine
student: Can essential Buddha-nature be destroyed?
Coyote: Yes. Do you have an eraser?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system
From: bpburke@athena.mit.edu (Brian P Burke)
Subject: SpeedyFinder7 Compatability
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:00:24 GMT

I've been seeing alot on the net here about SpeedyFinder7, and I want
to try it out... but, I'm currently running the utility More Disk Space
from Alysis Corp., and was wondering if anyone has tried to run these 
two programs together?  I would really rather not lose any
files if someone already knows this will not work. 

-Brian


Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:17299 comp.sys.sun.misc:4481
From: rbhumbla@ucsd.edu (Ravinder Bhumbla)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Re: Reading Mac disks on a Sun
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:58:17
Organization: Aerospace Structures Lab, AMES Dept, UC San Diego
Distribution: na
Reply-To: rbhumbla@ucsd.edu (Ravinder Bhumbla)
NNTP-Posting-Host: harpo.ucsd.edu
In-reply-to: alan@eecs.umich.edu's message of Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:50:37 GMT

This doesn't answer the question but could help in a lot of cases.
There is a freeware utility called suntar (available at sumex and
other archives) which lets the mac read floppies in Unix format.  It
reads both bar and tar formats.

--
--
Ravinder Bhumbla	rbhumbla@ucsd.edu    U. of California, San Diego
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:17420 comp.sys.mac.system:12558
From: parker2@llnl.gov (Dave Parker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Passwording Mac disks?
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:48:14 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: Physics

In article <92279.104933BJP108@psuvm.psu.edu>, BJP108@psuvm.psu.edu (Brian Panulla, MooCow) writes:
> 
> Is there any way to put a read password of a Macintosh disk, or on specific
> folders? If there is, how effective is it?
> 
Try Knightwatch II. It requires a special boot-up floppy
and a name and password before it "unlocks" the HD. It then 
re-boots. Very effective, I've been using it for a while.

Dave 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: jltaylor@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Taylor)
Subject: Function Keys. Are they programmable?
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:30:39 GMT

Is there a good way to program the function keys on the Apple
keyboard ??  It would be useful to have these definitions 
available in whatever program happens to be running. Is this 
possible?  Names of / pointers to shareware or commercial 
programs would both be appreciated.  

Thanks

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system