HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: et00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erich William Trowbridge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Jimmie Johnson to Detroit
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:26:08 GMT
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


	ONe thing I forgot to mention in my lauding of Jimmie Johnson as a
TE... He can't block for shit.
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Subject: Waymer to Raiders
From: correa@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:17:27 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

>Dave Waymer     db      SF

The Raiders just picked up Dave Waymer from SF, I know he played 
alongside Ronnie Lott with the Niner's, I am wondering if he's good enough
to start on the Raiders Secondary, if I remember correct he played saftey
this would mean he would be competing with LOTT and Anderson.  I 
doubt seriously he could bump one of these two out of the starting roster.
Also I suppose Sammy Seal will replace, Lional Washington and improve a
 the Corners with McDaniel. Looks like the Raiders are beefing up their
secondary and will be tougher and LB.

Does anybody on SF or a Niner die hard know how good Waymer is and 
how does this effect the Niner Secondary?


Silver & Black
From: andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: News from the Bay Area (No not *that*
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:58:05 GMT
Reply-To: andy@misha.central.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: misha.central.sun.com



In article <1992Apr14.164747.29571@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey) writes...
> The best FB in the draft is Tommy Vardell from
>Stanford and he is projected as a late first rounder at best.  It
>is my opinion that the Pack should take one of the following players
>(depending on who is still available):  
>	1.) Troy Vincent - CB, Wisconsin
>	2.) Sean Gilbert - DL, Pitt
>	3.) Bob Whitfield - OT, Stanford
>	4.) Quitan Coryett - LB, Texas A&M
>I am assuming Entman will definitely be gone.  The Packers should save 
>drafting of an FB to a later round.




That is not the Folder,  errr Packer way of doing things.  If you have a high  1st
round pick & the the player that best fits your need is a mid 1st round pick,  you
should trade your pick for a very high first round pick,  thus insuring the person
you want is available and insuring a high pick for the next several years.

Later I will describe my buy high, sell low stock market theory.  :-)

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From: mbrockma@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: WL: World League -- Week 3!
Keywords: NA West takes over as dominant division???
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:38:51 GMT
Organization: Twin Peaks Sheriff Department

WORLD LEAGUE Report for Week 3:

WEEK 3 RESULTS:
Day   Victor       Score  Loser       (Home Team in CAPS)
---   -----------  -----  -----------
Sat   BARCELONA    13- 7  London      
Sat   SACRAMENTO   14- 7  Montreal
Sat   San Antonio   9- 3  NEW YORK-NJ
Sun   Birmingham   17- 7  FRANKFURT  
Sun   Orlando      28- 3  OHIO

---------------------------------WEEK 3 STANDINGS------------------------------

EUROPEAN DIVISION            W   L   T    %%%%   PF  PA      DIV    HOME  AWAY
########################    ===========         ========    =====   ====<>==== 
Frankfurt Galaxy             2   1   0    .667   55  45      2-0     0-1  2-0
Barcelona Dragons            2   1   0    .667   28  38      1-1     2-1  0-0
London Monarchs              1   2   0    .333   61  64      0-2     1-1  0-1
 
NORTH AMERICAN EAST DIV.     W   L   T    %%%%   PF  PA      DIV    HOME  AWAY
########################    ===========         ========    =====   ====<>==== 
Orlando Thunder              2   1   0    .667   70  43      2-1     1-0  1-1
Montreal Machine             1   2   0    .333   54  60      1-0     1-0  0-2
New York-New Jersey Knights  0   3   0    .000   37  50      0-0     0-1  0-2
Ohio Glory                   0   3   0    .000   18  58      0-2     0-2  0-1

NORTH AMERICAN WEST DIV.     W   L   T    %%%%   PF  PA      DIV    HOME  AWAY
########################    ===========         ========    =====   ====<>==== 
Sacramento Surge             3   0   0   1.000   51  19      1-0     2-0  1-0
Birmingham Fire              2   1   0    .667   40  37      1-1     1-0  1-1
San Antionio Riders          2   1   0    .667   36  36      0-1     1-0  1-1

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WEEK 4 MATCH-UPS:
Day   Time(GMT/EST)   Visitor     at Host
---   -------------   --------------------------
Sat    5:00p/ NOON    Birmingham  at London    
Sat    5:00p/ NOON    Barcelona   at Frankfurt 
Sat   MIDNGT/ 7:00p   San Antonio at Sacramento  
Sun    5:00p/ NOON    New York-NJ at Orlando  
Sun    5:00p/ NOON    Ohio        at Montreal

GMT=Greenwich Mean Time    EST=Eastern Standard Time   Note: "Day" is for EST
                         (not "daylight savings" time)

(If I have these times wrong, please let me know. They are, however,
correct to the best of my knowledge.)

===============================================================================
Matt Brockman      Go, Go, Glory!     Go Steelers!      mbrockma@ecn.purdue.edu
===============================================================================
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From: wsl1@cec1.wustl.edu (Wing Suen Lee)
Subject: Re: 49'ers will be champions again!!!
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:27:10 GMT

49ers #1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just can't wait until December to watch the playoff.
From: keithg@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Moving Up in the Draft?
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:22:54 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID

>
>Does anyone know of further details?  Who is this DT from Pittsburgh
>(I don't even remember his name...)?  Is he that good?

His name is Sean Gilbert, a 300 lb. junior who they say
is very athletic and probably the best defensive lineman
in the draft.  The Rams need defensive help, too, especially
on the line.  They were expecting to get Russell Maryland
in last year's draft and when he was already gone took Todd
Lyght.  I expect the Rams to think long and hard before they
trade away the rights to Gilbert.
---------------------------------
I think Emtman is the best D lineman in the draft.
+++++++++++++++++++++++
From: ky0l+@andrew.cmu.edu (King-Han Yao)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills/ Jets receiver trade? Not!
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:42:07 GMT
Organization: Senior, Economics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 13-Apr-92 in Bills/ Jets receiver trade?..
user T. Steegman@ubvmsb.cc.bu writes:
> 
>	That last post said that many NFL teams would trade their receivers
>for those of the Jets. Please get real.Though the Jets have SOME talent,
>they have a long way to go before the Bills would trade Reed, Beebe,
and Lofton
>for a has been and a few might be's.  Miami will provide the only significant
>challenge to the Bills in this coming year in the AFC East. Also, I don't feel
>that the Chiefs will have as good a year as last. Just a hunch. Denver in the
>West, Oilers in the Central. That is unless Brister comes back from the dead
>or wherever he is...
> 

Excuse me, but Moore of the Jets is not a "might be".  He is a star, now!

But I agree with you in that I would rather have the Bills three WRs
than the Jets.  

In fact, IMHO, I think the Bills will not get any competition in the AFC
East, and they'll win it comfortably, but with the remaining field, I
think the Jets have the best team, although not too far from the
Dolphins.


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King Yao                       
Economics 
Class of '92                   
Carnegie Mellon
From: kryst14@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Alex Ashcroft)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Rams Plan B, please
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:52:09 GMT
Organization: Chem. Cryst. Lab., University of Oxford

Does anybody have a list of Rams Plan B gains and losses?  From reading
postings of other teams' Plan B activity, it seems like they've lost more
than they've gained, which is really great considering how good they were
last year :-)
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From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Why the Jets?
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:48:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Apr10.233341.5323@wuecl.wustl.edu>, csm1@cec2.wustl.edu (Christopher Scott Macri) writes:
> [Alot of stuff you aready read excluded]
> 
>> I would still pick Miami over NY.  If it doesn't make sense
>>to you then you ought to look at the two teams.
 
> Just wondering...Who did the Jets beat to get the Wildcard birth?
> 
> J-E-T-S--->JETS-JETS-JETS!


You excluded alot of my stuff...I said if one of te two teams was guaranteed to
unseat Buffalo I would pick the 'Phins because of explosive potential
                                                            ^^^^^^^^^
But the Jets have already been playing up to or over their heads (IMO) and
until the get an explosive edge to them I do not see them going much further
than they did last season...maybe the could advance to round 2, but without
some home run threats, not much further.  Every other team that won a playoff
game had at least some explosive capability.  The Chiefs are the only
possible excaption because their explosiveness is on defense with Thomas.
The Lions, Falcons, Redskins, Bills, Broncos, Oilers, and cowboys all have
some potential for exploding, not the Jets.  I see the Bears in te same jam,
and the Broncos if not for John "Miracle" Elway.  Miami has marino and Clayton
and now Higgs...they lack D though so that is why NY won the game..like I said
the first time if Miami gets D help ..they will by far surpass the jets.
Brian Mulholland
From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington Moving Up in the Draft?
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:59:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <gwf.703175361@sapphire>, gwf@sapphire (George W. Fleming) writes:
> One of our local papers here (Newark Star Ledger) is reporting that
> Washington Redskins is trying to work  out a trade with the Rams to
> move from the sixth pick in the first round up to the third pick, in 
> order to draft a DT from Pittsburg that the skins want. 
> 
> Does anyone know of further details?  Who is this DT from Pittsburgh
> (I don't even remember his name...)?  Is he that good?
> 
> 
> -- 
> -------------------------
> George W. Fleming
> gwf@sapphire.bellcore.com
> -------------------------
\
I believe it is Sean Gilbert, but am not sure...the name sticks out for some
reason...
I would be upset if they did because DT is not their most pressing need.
If they move up that far than we need a MLB and I hear Quentin Coryatt is
big time material!  I alos heard they were considering Howard for him
to learn from the Vets in Clark and Monk before they need someone to rescue
an aging WR corps...planning ahead i like it!
Brian Mulholland
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From: sasbrb@rolypoly.unx.sas.com (Brendan Bailey)
Subject: Re: NFL Expansion News!!! TSN picks St.Louis and Charlotte!
    <1992Apr9.195935.6560@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:29:37 GMT
Originator: sasbrb@rolypoly.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 2841

In article <1992Apr9.195935.6560@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>, jcoryell@nwu.edu (John Coryell.) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.151158.28810@unx.sas.com> sasbrb@rolypoly.unx.sas.com (Brendan Bailey) writes:
>>
>>Yeah, right.  Anyone who has been following NFL expansion at all would have
>>picked St. Louis and Charlotte as far back as 1989.
>
>Not at all.  Through the first half of 1990, Memphis and Charlotte were
>(justifiably) neck-and-neck; before that, Memphis I thought actually had
>the edge.  St. Louis has been virtually assured a franchise, and I agree
>that Charlotte is currently in a comfortable second.
>

     Charlotte started their NFL drive to get an NFL franchise when the
Richardsons announced it in December 1987.  Back then, no one took their
attempt serious.  This pinhead sportswriter in Jacksonville wrote this
long article saying that Charlotte wanting an NFL team was the most hilarious
thing he had ever heard and went on to compare Charlotte with the thriving
metropolis of Jax.  Humpy Wheeler, the owner of Charlotte Motor Speedway,
also went public about also trying to get a team where they would tack up some
temporary bleachers around the speedway to make a stadium.  Charlotte REALLY
wasn't taken seriously then.  George Shinn also wanted to get an NFL team,
but bowed out several years later when all could see that the Richardsons
had the best chance.
     I don't know about "justifiably".  Charlotte had their ownership group
in place, a prime 30-acre site in Uptown Charlotte had been picked for the
stadium, and hosting sell-out pre-season games had begun.  Memphis still had
the head FedEx guy leading that city's push to get a team, but that wouldn't
last.  Charlotte also had the HUGE success of the Hornets, who had lead the
league in attendance their first year.
     I've waited so long for THE announcement.  Early talks had expansion set
for 1992, but it was pushed back.  Labor problems may push '94 expansion back,
but I don't think it will.  Charlotte will simply go crazy if they do get
the team.  I'd love to see some sort of setup in Uptown Charlotte with a huge
projection TV with everyone watching the announcement, similar to when Atlanta
was awarded the Olympics.  I really hope the Richardson's don't drop the ball
with team name and colors.

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SAS Institute, Inc - QA/Graph           it adds 150 expansion teams or hell 
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Go Heels! Go Hornets!                   first -- Raleigh will be awarded a
The NFL in Charlotte! Target: 1994!!!   franchise." - The Charlotte Observer
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From: srklump@descartes.waterloo.edu (elm)
Subject: CFL '92 Predictions
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:47:07 GMT

My best guess:

West:  Calgary Stampeders       13 - 5  - 0
       B.C. Lions               10 - 8  - 0
       Edmonton Eskimos          9 - 8  - 1
       Saskatchewan Roughriders  5 - 12 - 1

East:  Toronto Argonauts        15 - 3  - 0
       Ottawa Rough Riders       8 - 10 - 0
       Winnipeg Blue Bombers     7 - 11 - 0
       Hamilton Tiger-Cats       4 - 14 - 0

Features:  Calgary offense will rack up over 700 points under Flutie.
           Dunigan will play at most 3 games healthy for the Argos;
             Foggie will continue to play defacto starter.  
           Hamilton will fold at the end of the season, at the latest.
           Saskatchewan will break the worst-ever defense record - again -
             allowing over 40 points against per game.
           Passaglia will retire after this season as the most prolific
             scorer in history.
           Mike (Pinball) Clemons will be player-of-the-year.

Playoffs:  Round 1) B.C. 41 Edmonton 38
                    Winnipeg 33 Ottawa 30
 
           Round 2) Calgary 35 B.C. 31
                    Toronto 50 Winnipeg 11

           Grey Cup) Calgary 38 Toronto 35.
From: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Answer: WAI#7
Date: 11 Apr 92 03:15:40 GMT
Organization: Deep In The Heart Of The South!


  
  
  This one must have been too easy...


  Who Am I #07?
  -------------

  My brother and I were both linemen and teammates. My fearsome play -
  no Father Murphy was I - earned me a spot in the Hall of Fame.

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  Who is it?

  Merlin Olsen.

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  bill

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:24:55 -0400 
From: Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Buchsbaum Mock Draft

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 15-Apr-92 Buchsbaum Mock
Draft mocnik@iccgcc.decnet.ab. (3641)

> 11.PITTSBURGH  - Carl Pickens, WR, Tennessee
>                 > The Steelers need a big play wideout.


I really hope this is the Steeler's pick.  They really need a wideout. 
Tennessee has a great history of developing WR's.  There is a difference
of opinion in the Steeler's front office.  Tom Donohoe, director of
player personnel still think highly of Graham and Mills, so they may do
something stupid like waste a number one pick on an offensive lineman to
complement Ron Earhart's power running game.  The way I see it, even if
Mills and Graham both develop which is questionable, The Steelers have 3
good young receivers with Louis Lipps.  It is not like they are loaded
with wideouts especially after losing Chris Calloway.  I also hope they
don't take a defensive lineman with the number one pick given their lack
of success in the last decade with that pick.
Organization: Senior, Economics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Tue,  7 Apr 1992 21:33:02 -0400 
From: King-Han Yao <ky0l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: JETS Fans??????

On 07-Apr-92 in Re: JETS Fans??????          
user daniel.b.vought@cbnewsm. writes:
>   
> 
>     more info furnished upon request.

What's the inside scoop about Browning Nagle?  Will he be given the
opportunity to compete for 1st string? Will O'Brien definitely be
starting one more year, or will O'Brien be traded (if anyone wants him)?
 


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King Yao                       
Economics 
Class of '92                   
Carnegie Mellon
From: easchwei@eos.ncsu.edu (ERIC ARNOLD SCHWEITZ)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Waymer to Raiders
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:28:27 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1992Apr8.001352.1693@ncsu.edu> easchwei writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.213225.442@sequent.com> newson@sequent.com writes:
>>In article <1992Apr7.121727.1@vax.sonoma.edu> correa@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>>>>Dave Waymer     db      SF
>>>
>>>The Raiders just picked up Dave Waymer from SF, I know he played 
>>>alongside Ronnie Lott with the Niner's, I am wondering if he's good enough
>>>to start on the Raiders Secondary, if I remember correct he played saftey
>>>this would mean he would be competing with LOTT and Anderson.  I 
>>>doubt seriously he could bump one of these two out of the starting roster.
>>>Also I suppose Sammy Seal will replace, Lional Washington and improve a
>>> the Corners with McDaniel. Looks like the Raiders are beefing up their
>>>secondary and will be tougher and LB.
>>>
>>Waymer may be getting up there but he puts a hat on folks! Big hitter, can
>>play safety and corner. This pisses me off. The niners a shaking up their
>>secondary, but they need the veteran.
>
>Don't confuse me with a 9er fan, but I think Waymer was the best DB
>they had.  Maybe old.  Maybe too expensive for Mr. Moneybags.  His
>loss will hurt them though.  Go Al, go!  This is the second time he has
>snagged the best DB that SF had in 2 years!  Told ya, Al is
NOT (oops, typo!) scared
>of Mr. Moneybags!  Maybe he can sign Cofer or someone that will
>screw 'em over good!
>>>Does anybody on SF or a Niner die hard know how good Waymer is and 
>>>how does this effect the Niner Secondary?
>>>
>>>
>>>Silver & Black
>>>
>
>
From: bitn@quads.uchicago.edu (nathan elery bitner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer Fan Rule #1 (was Re: Packer Fan Rule #2)
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:51:07 GMT
Reply-To: bitn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr16.064033.16423@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>
>  No, the Packer fan should hate the general managers more than the Bears.
>
>  I don't think the Bears are stupid enough to waste valuable picks!!!
>
>  But, I say the Packers COULD win the division in a couple of years.
>
>  Now, wouldn't that be great? (cliche)
>
>
>delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
>
>
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  Great?!  ACK!  The bane of football winning the NFC Central would be
anything but *great*.  We would be subjected to the diatribes of the
Cheeseheads for the rest of our existence or at least until the Bears beat
them in the playoffs.  However, the Slackers have absolutely no chance 
(thank God) of winning their division this year or in the forseeable future.
Even if they manage to scrape together an ounce of talent, the threat to
the division crown would alarm the Supreme Deity of the Universe, Mr. Ditka,
who would immediately quelch any further attempts at victory by the Fudge-
Packers.  If the Ass-Crackers want to win any games this year, they are
clearly going to have to dramatically increase their pork consumption to 
equal (as if it was possible) the level we have achieved here in Chicago.
In addition, they will have to worship Mr. Ditka at the Polish Sausage
(pronounced "saasauge", "a" as in "back" as in "baby back ribs" which the
Lackers must also consume in great quantities) Shrine at least three times
a week.

Now, with that out of the way, let us discuss the Bears future.  It's not
so much winning the Super Bowl I'm concerned about, but how many times
in a *row* they will win it ...
I think we're looking at an eight-peat here.

:)

Ignore the last sig:  it's for the alt.war freaks ...

My real sig:

--
Number one concern as a Superfan:  
"If the Bears and Bulls continue winning championships, we're going to have
to build a new deck on Chicago Stadium to hold all the pennants.  And as
a taxpayer, that concerns me."

"Worship Ditka NOW."

-- 
"You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you."
				-Leon Trotsky