From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Revised consistency check
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:30:56 GMT
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In talk.abortion, chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>In article <23616@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) wri
>tes:
>>In talk.abortion, chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>>>In article <23524@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) w
>ri
>>>tes:
>>>>In talk.abortion, chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:

>>I think you have that confused with Mr. Spock, the logical entity of
>>Star Trek fame. :) Seriously, I have heard of Dr. Spock, but don't know
>>a thing about him, except that he wrote something about raising children.

>No, I am not confusing the Spock's. His name was Benjamin Spock, the
>originator of "Spare the rod, spoil the child." Now, I can agree with
>sparing the rod as a rule, but I can't agree with spoiling the child, as a
>rule.

Get a sense of humor. Notice the smiley? I was kidding. Geez! As for
sparing the rod, if that implies beatings with any type of implement,
then I agree, one should never use any implement other than a hand for
spanking. Why? Because one cannot tell how hard one is hitting with
an implement. Pain is not the primary tool of the discipline to be imparted,
rather the knowledge of extreme displeasure. For certain levels of intellect,
the only effective means of conveying such displeasure is through physical
stimuli, as higher levels of cognitive thought are reached, these are
no longer necessary. The second portion, spoiling the child, I also
disagree with, as a separate issue, because spoiled children normally
do not develop into functioning adults nearly as quickly as the average
child. (disclaimer: I'm not a psychologist, these are just my personal
opinions, gathered from actually seeing how children react, and some 
reading)

[...]

>He's way overage. The problem is not about not being able to come back;
>it's that he has no inheritance. And do you not agree that as long as
>they're living in your house, they go by your rules?

Why is not having an inheritance so terrible, in your eyes? Most of
us won't have any inheritance to speak of, and personally, I hope my
folks spend their money, after all, they worked for it, they should
enjoy it. They didn't get any inheritance either, and started quite
literally with nothing. As for living by one's rules while in one's
house, that goes to a point. It depends what kind of rules they were,
and how they limited what one could do outside the house. As in a curfew
is really overdone, as is a requirement to be home every night. Someone
over the age of 20 (I say this because 18 or 19 could still be considered
a high school kid) cannot have this type of requirement placed on them
anymore, as they have friends and might wish to just spend the night,
etc. Rules such as cleaning up your dishes, and putting up your clothes
are fine, however. Having clothes strewn about the house would not be
asthetically pleasing to most people I know. Also, at this age, there
is an expectation that some form of rent would be paid, as the person
is now an adult, and should do some fending for himself.

[...]

>The fights were largely about his not being home. Then he didn't come home
>after having to fight, so they got tired of it and gave him an ultimatum,
>which he shaped up and followed until he got old enough to leave. Then he
>stupidly said "piss off."

So he evidently was underage, until this time? Earlier, you said he
was overage. Sorry about any confusion.

[...]

We've almost cleared things up. Not quite, as you can see by the above
questions and statements.

Ron

Potassium Benzoate included as a preserver.
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