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From: justice@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: TP FANZINE
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 02:48:55 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

herriott@utdallas.edu (Laura Herriott) writes:

> >
> Just thought I'd let you know, there is a Twin Peaks magazine
> due out at comic book stores and other specialty shops this week or next.
> It's called Wrapped In Plastic and it looks pretty neat. (I know the 
> people who are putting it together.)  I have the address for direct orders
> if anyone is interested.
> 
> --Laura
> 

I'm very interested in getting the address. Is this a major licenced 
publication or a real bonafide FANzine. In other words is it commercial 
or underground? I am very interested in collaborating with these people. 
-Justice

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From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Kyle in Vogue
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:37:10 GMT

Check out the October issues of Vogue. There's an ad for some New York
clothing outfit. It's Kyle ... with a lobster on his head. Truly
memorable.
From: kbays@bluemoon.rn.com (Ken Bays)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: LMFAP and Mike
Date: 7 Oct 92 07:24:46 GMT
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])

jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:

> In article <ZTe4RB1w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> kbays@bluemoon.rn.com (Ken Bays) wr
> >In the script available from the company that someone posted here about, 
> >on page 36, in the David Bowie scene... it states:
> 
> >"...in the foreground the Man from Another Place (Mike) and Bob sit at a 
> >formica table."
> 
> >The MFAP and Mike are the same!  "Mike" is in parentheses after MFAP, as 
> >if they were exactly the same entities.
> 
> Well, the LMFAP and Michael J. "Mike" Anderson, the actor who plays him,
> are in a sense "one and the same".
> 
 
I don't think that's what the script means.  It doesn't have any of the 
other actors/actresses names in parentheses after the characters' names, 
so why should Michael Anderson's name be included this way?  I don't see 
what else it could mean other than that LMFAP and Mike are the same 
entity.  In a way it makes sense, since we were able to see the "true 
face" of BOB and not just the host he was inhabiting, we should also be 
there should also be some being that represents the true form of Mike.  
I mean, why should we be shown what BOB looks like, but not Mike?

..
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: LMFAP and Mike
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:55:20 GMT
	<1992Oct7.213623.16014@cheshire.oxy.edu> <DAN.92Oct8090022@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu>
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In-reply-to: dan@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu's message of 8 Oct 92 14:00:22 GMT

In article <DAN.92Oct8090022@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu> dan@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) writes:

   I'm not convinced that the "rules" of the Black Lodge denizens are so
   specific regarding which entity is the "true face", which is the
   "host" etc.

Yes, you're almost certainly right.  (Part of this is probably that
Lynch et al have been making parts of it up as they go along; and part
of it is that we just haven't seen enough of the appropriate entities
to know what's really going on.)

   One of my pet theories about TP has always been that the forces of
   good and the forces of evil are somewhat organized into particular
   relationships, whether in the "real" world or in the shadows of the
   supernatural.  A perfect example of that is MIKE and BOB in the Black
   Lodge being paralleled by Mike and Bobby in our world, a relationship
   that Laura obliquely comments upon in FWWM.  Both sets are partners in
   crime.  What light this sheds on things is unclear, but I see it as
   one of the themes of TP - that there are peculiar parallels between
   our world and the spirit realm and more importantly, specific
   character dynamics which almost amount to a hierarchy of good and
   evil.

I think is was James Blish who had one of his characters say: ``The
laws of magic are not so much illogical as analogical.''  Think also
of the magical principle of the law of correspondences; e.g. to invoke
a particular spiritual force, you dress in the color particular to
that being, eat the food favored by him/her, etc.  I think you're
right on the money here.

   My other pet theory, which might also shed some light on things, is
   that the Dwarf and the Giant and the various other denizens of the
   Lodges, really are the dwarves, giants, wizards and witches of
   folklore but that they have simply changed with the times - dwarves
   (or at least this one) seem to favor kind of a Vegas look, whereas
   modern day giants favor natty white shirts and bow ties.  MIKE, a sort
   of sorcerer type, seems to have abandoned the robes and pointy hats of
   his forebears in favor of more practical gear.  Mrs. Tremond is
   clearly in the classic Crone mode.  My point here being, the
   relationships between mythological creatures might shed some light on
   the relationships between these modern manifestations.

There are various analysts who say similar things about UFOs, etc.
i.e. that they appear in the guise appropriate to the age in which
they are found: imps in the medieval period, balloonists in the 19th
century, extra-terrestrials in the 20th, etc.  Whether one buys that
for ``the real world'', you're probably right about what's goin on in
TP.

Wonderful post, by the way!  I truly enjoyed it.

-30-
Bob
--
-30-
Bob Ingria
From: hist1261@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: AUSTRALIAN RELEASE DATE : FWM
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:00:55 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Oct6.090035.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au>, miuvdd@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:
> 
> 
> 	Finally, finally, finally, fainlly, finally......
> 
> 	An Australian release date has fianlly been announced
> 	for "Fire Walk With Me"!!!!!!
> 
> 
> 	Oh, what is it?	December 5.......
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 	Morgana
> 	***********************************************************
> 	I guess you could say that about most things in life. It's
> 	not so bad as long as you can keep the fear from your mind.
> 	***********************************************************

Any word on the New Zealand release date?

Richard.

Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: sbiles@nmsu.edu (Susannah E Biles)
Subject: questions about Mrs Tremond
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:14:25 GMT


I have a few questions concerning Mrs. Tremond and her grandson.
Okay...they have been seen at the convenience store. They have been
seen by Laura (in FWWM), by Donna (In the series), and the grandson
was seen by Leland (In FWWM). So...are they entities like BOB and 
MIKE, or are they "real" people who just have access to the lodges? The
"people" that Leland and Donna see...are they real? Or are they
"seeing things" like when people "see" BOB? IF they are entites..are
they just showing their 'real' selves? Or is there some old woman and
her grandson whose bodies are being used for a purpose? And if
so...where are the real occupants of the bodies? 
Why I am asking is because when we see BOB, he is either in a vision
or seen 'in' Leland...not a "real" body like the Tremonds seem to
have. Do you all know what I mean? Just wondering ...any ideas anyone?

Susan

Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: ramsey@spot.Colorado.EDU (L. Ron Hubbard)
Subject: Re: Chet Desmond & Teresa Banks
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 08:09:48 GMT

In article <78NasB1w165w@cyberden.uucp> moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us writes:
>OK. I've only received one line of input about my Chet in love with 
>Teresa theory. Are you people blind to true love? Hell, I almost fell in 
>love with Teresa just by seeing that picture that Leland is looking at of 
>her in Flesh World. Well, discarding everything, does anyone have an 
>opinion that would oppose mine and prove my "Love holds the key" theory 
>wrong?
>

After reading your numerous, shameless requests for any opinions on your
theory...okay already.

The first time I saw the movie, I had to admit, the way Desmond was
scoping Teresa was rather...'unprofessional'.  The gaze went beyond mere
detectiving (nice word).  He seemed oddly fascinated, and can you blame him?

Something about the extreme closeup of the lips, the hand with the cigarette
(and the ring of course) gave you an eerie feeling.  Was there any music
being played?  I can't remember, maybe that would help explain the mood.

anyways, after the second and third viewings, it seems more obvious.

What I'm not sure about is why really he went back to the trailer park.
I doubt an infatuation with Teresa would lead him to the Chalfonts (sp?)
trailer.  What drew him to the trailer.  The eerie light emanating from
within?  Hmmm...

Anyways, in conclusion, I agree with your theory that Chet really dug
that crazy Teresa, man.  Groovy.

Mad Poo Bandit
From: A.L.Radtke@bradford.ac.uk (Drew Radtke)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: UK TP: FWWM
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:23:53 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: s3535@ccw123

Has anyone talked about a release date in the UK for TP:FWWM? Well, I've
just seen a 'coming soon' trailer at our local cinema (the Pictureville)
here in Bradford.

It was quite an amazing trailer actually; it almost made me want to do
nothing else apart from wait for the film.
-- 
Drew Radtke * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * A.L.Radtke@bradford.ac.uk
* * * * * * * * Fax: +44 274 305340 * Voice: +44 274 383180 * * * * * * * *
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: markw@meaddata.com (Mark Wasson)
Subject: Re: John Justice Wheeler/Phillip Jefferies
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:41:47 GMT

In article <0a67RB1w165w@cyberden.uucp>, moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us writes:
|> 
|> Also, does anyone know if there are any TP fan publications out there? Am 
|> very interested. If there aren't any major ones, then I'll start one.
|> -Justice
|> 
|> __________________________________________________________________________
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|>    | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N       [ moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us ]

You might want to reconsider.  1 1/2 years ago, I subscribed to the
Twin Peaks Gazette, which was essentially a fan publication.  For my
$29, I got my Sheriff's Department coffee mug, my TP address, and
three of the promised 12 issues.  They stopped publishing when the
show went off the air, saying that they would instead publish the
occasional issue.  I expected to see something near the release of
FWWM, but didn't.

With the show long gone, and the movie come and gone in a number of
markets, I think you might have a considerable problem trying to find
enough of an audience - especially a paying audience, especially if
they are former Gazette subscribers  - to make it worth your while.  A
weeks worth of this net, is usually far more interesting than the
three Gazettes I got combined.

Mark
From: xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Book about Coop?
Date: 8 Oct 1992 17:42:05 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
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Originator: xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu


HI all,
	I am wondering if some kind soul could tell me the author of
the autobiagraphical book on Special Agent Cooper.  Also, how well
does it fit in with the show?
Thanks,
-- 

		-Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:21:11 GMT
Subject: Re: David Lynch's comment
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks

In alt.tv.twin-peaks, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:

> In article <14740058@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
> >In alt.tv.twin-peaks, rmichl@iiic.ethz.ch (Robert Michl) writes:
> >> Sad but true: There won't be any more new Twin Peaks films :-(
> 
> >YAAAAYYYY!!
> 
> Care to elaborate?  Or is this just random Lynch-bashing?

Nope.  I loved TP on tv.  You can see my feelings about the
movie by looking up my reactions to it in this forum.

I think it is time for TP to just die and exist as an artistic
statement without further adulteration, even by the creator.

doug
From: mj1078@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp (mmanuel pece)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Japan release of FWWM
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:23:38 GMT
Organization: Kyushu Institute of Tech., Iizuka, JAPAN.
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In-reply-to: sasha@cybernet.cse.fau.edu's message of 13 Oct 92 23:12:50 GMT



They are broadcasting TP (the series) again in Japan. 
This time is not WOW(bob)WOW but the non-pay channel TBS Terebi. 
It started last month.
They do it every saturday nigth. 
Next saturday (oct 16th) it will be episode 4th (or third). 
I am not watching it, so I don't know if it is in bilingual mode.

(i have no news about series LD nor FWWM video release yet)

manuel
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pece@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp
From: moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Chet Desmond & Teresa Banks
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 14:58:29 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

OK. I've only received one line of input about my Chet in love with 
Teresa theory. Are you people blind to true love? Hell, I almost fell in 
love with Teresa just by seeing that picture that Leland is looking at of 
her in Flesh World. Well, discarding everything, does anyone have an 
opinion that would oppose mine and prove my "Love holds the key" theory 
wrong?

-Justice

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From: justice@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: TP FANZINE
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 01:38:29 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Well, its official. I will be coming out with a TP fanzine before the end 
of the year. It will be an occasional thing, but none the less, a fun 
type of fanzine, which still doesn't have a name. I hope that anyone who 
wishes to be a part of this write to:

                          Brian Kursar
                          2638 West 231st Street
                          Torrance, CA 90505

Poems, Drawings, reviews, or just plain nonscence will be greatly 
appreciated. It wilde numerous findings, quirks, and lots of stuff that 
peaks fans will be sure to find interesting. Well, I leave you with a 
final note - I need help, so please write or E-Mail me. 

Sincerely,

Brian (Justice) Kursar

P.S. A special thanks to all who elaborated on my Chet/Teresa theory. I 
now know that I'm not alone.

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From: derrigfj@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Frank J. Derrigo)
Subject: Re: Clarification: Blue Rose and THE GLASS MENAGERIE coincidence
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:05:19 GMT



>v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:

>>    Jim, the Gentleman Caller in the play, used to call LAURA

  And don't forget, Nadine's drapes were from Gentleman Jim's.
From: cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Lynch's address anyone?
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:19:07 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1bc9ouINNb88@uwm.edu>, xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet)
writes:
>
>HI,
>       Just wondering if anyone has Lynch's address handy.  I would
>like to mail him a letter of thanks.  His business address would be
>fine.
>Thanks,
>-- 
>
>               -Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)
David K. Lynch's business address (according to the 1990 DGA Directory) is:

c/o Creative Artists Agency
9830 Wilshire Bvld.
Beverly Hills, CA  90212

Hope this helps.

A.J. LoCicero >> cicero@hotcity.com

The opinions expressed above ARE those of my employer!
This message comes to you from beautiful Morgan Hill, California, U.S.A.:
The front line in the war against suburbanization!
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: c91jonho@IDA.LiU.SE (Jonne Hogstrom)
Subject: A few questions on TP
Organization: CIS Dept, University of Linkoping, Sweden
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:22:02 GMT

Hi, We are a couple of guys who are making a kind of competition with
a TwinPeaks theme, but there are a few things we need to know:

1. What are the full names of Andy and Hawk?
2. Did Ben Horne utter any cool quotes when he thought he was
   fieldmarshal for the southern armies (or at any other time)?
3. Are there any good FTPsites with .GIF-pictures from TP?

More questions as they pop up in our head...

Please answer by Email to c91jonho@und.ida.liu.se

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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Chet Desmond & Teresa Banks (Joanie & Chachie)
Date: 10 Oct 92 18:19:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct10.080948.2319@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, ramsey@spot.Colorado.EDU (L. Ron Hubbard) writes...
>In article <78NasB1w165w@cyberden.uucp> moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us writes:
>>OK. I've only received one line of input about my Chet in love with 
>>Teresa theory. Are you people blind to true love? Hell, I almost fell in 
>>love with Teresa just by seeing that picture that Leland is looking at of 
>>her in Flesh World. Well, discarding everything, does anyone have an 
>>opinion that would oppose mine and prove my "Love holds the key" theory 
>>wrong?

     Yes, I'd say it's ridiculously, ridiculously wrong.  :-)

>The first time I saw the movie, I had to admit, the way Desmond was
>scoping Teresa was rather...'unprofessional'.  The gaze went beyond mere
>detectiving (nice word).  He seemed oddly fascinated, and can you blame him?

     No.  Can't he acknowledge beauty?  
     I would, more practically, link Desmond's expression to Cooper's:
     it's that childlike energy Coop brings to his investigations seen
     in Desmond.  (i.e., "The idea for all of this really... came from
     a dream?"  - with a big grin, "Yes... It did.").

>What I'm not sure about is why really he went back to the trailer park.
>I doubt an infatuation with Teresa would lead him to the Chalfonts (sp?)
>trailer.  What drew him to the trailer.  The eerie light emanating from
>within?  Hmmm...

     Agent Stanlet said straight out why Desmond was going back to
     the trailer park: for the Blue Rose.  Desmond follows "vibes"
     to the Chalfont trailer, according to the script, and Coop
     follows the same ones when he arrives at the park later on.

     The montage in that sequence is dealing with the "beep beep
     beep" in the phone poles, as well as the location of the
     Chalfont trailer in relation to the Deputy Drug Dealer's
     trailer and Teresa's trailer.

>Anyways, in conclusion, I agree with your theory that Chet really dug
>that crazy Teresa, man.  Groovy.

     Of all the things going on in those sequences, love isn't
     one.  I disagree.

                 Shortly  thereafter, the health of  Annie
                 Blackburn still in question, the behavior
                 of Special Agent  Dale Cooper was noticed
                 __________________________to have changed.
                                              Scott Gorcey.
From: wayne@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Wayne Wylupski)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Book about Coop?
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:21:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA

In article <1b1rtdINN1sl@uwm.edu> xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet) writes:
>	I am wondering if some kind soul could tell me the author of
>the autobiagraphical book on Special Agent Cooper.  Also, how well
>does it fit in with the show?

Scott Frost.  It "fits" with the show in that they don't conflict, but there
are a few conflicts with the movie, such as who discovered the first letter
under the nail.

wayne
-- 
Wayne Wylupski    {...!}uunet!inmet!wayne    wayne@inmet.camb.inmet.com
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: LMFAP and Mike
Date: 9 Oct 1992 17:44:52 GMT
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In-reply-to: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu's message of Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:10:29 GMT


A purely pro-forma spoiler, but if you haven't scene the concluding
episode of Twin Peaks or FWWM, you probably shouldn't read the
following.

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In article <1992Oct7.211029.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
   In article <ld69csINNa2i@news.bbn.com>, ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria) writes:

   > Gerard is not Mike, no more than Leland was Bob, although
   > each hosts an inhabiting spirit.  So the LMFAP is Mike's ``true face''
   > just as Killer Bob is Bob's ``true face''.  I don't think there's
   > anything here beyond that, although the information that the LMFAP was
   > Mike's true face is interesting.  What does this mean about Cooper's
   > dream, in which he saw both Gerard and the LMFAP/Mike?  So we have
   > three pairs of humans/inhabiting spirits:
   > 
   > Gerard - Mike
   > Leland - Bob (later: Cooper - Bob)
   > The Room Service Waiter (Senor Droolcup) - The Giant (whose name we do
   > 	not know)
   > 
   > Does it mean anything that we know the Giant's true face, but not his
   > name?  (Note also, that we don't know his human host's name, either.)

   Well, since you keep using the phrase "true face,"

This was Mike/Gerard's term.  Remember, when Cooper shows him the
sketch of Bob, he says: ``That is his true face'', as opposed to that
of the one he was possessing.  So I just mean, the face (or form) of
the inhabiting spirit, not the human host.

						      I have to ask:  What exactly
   does the OAM/Mike/Gerard mean when he says he looked into "the face of God"?

I believe he says: ``But when I saw the face of God, I was changed''.
At any rate, I no longer believed Mike has reformed.  I think he is
still after the garmonbozia from violent death, and that his falling
out with Bob is merely an argument between thieves, as it were, not a
result of real change on Mike's part.  At any rate, his actions in
FWWM are so ambiguous, that I no longer take anything he said at face
value.  So I think he's just lying here.  But, obviously, I could be
wrong.

Speaking of which, remember that in the scene when Gerard/Mike is
debriefed at the Police Station, he and Cooper recite the ``Fire Walk
With Me'' poem/spell.  Could this have been necessary for Cooper's
eventual possession?  Everyone else who says this is either an
inhabiting spirit or the host of an inhabiting spirit.  Note that
Leland/Bob recites it before Bob ``pulls the cord'' on Leland.
Perhaps it is part of a ceremony that transports the speaker to the
other world?  Or perhaps it is part of the ritual of possession?
--
-30-
Bob Ingria
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