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From: sgb2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STEPHEN G. BUELL)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: FAT?
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:26:14 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Oct4.123127.7943@ac.dal.ca>, whare@ac.dal.ca writes:

Check out the "T-FACTOR" guide available at any local bookstore in one of two
forms:  a paper back that gives the fat content of thousands of foods and the
author's views on eating fat or for a couple of bucks less, the same fat
contents guide w/o the author's plan.  I suggest the latter.

Steve
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Optifast (Liquid diets)
Keywords: liquid diet body metabolism cold sex
Date: 3 Oct 92 02:26:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct3.022602.15399
Distribution: usa
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Oct2.224819.2498@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>I never had any gall bladder problems on the fast; it's my gall bladder
>that I still have...

I "cheated" on Optifast twice, by eating two _very moderate_ Japanese
and Chinese meals (separated by two weeks) and within 6-8 hours endured
two of the most painful episodes of my life, which, in retrospect were
diagnosed as biliary colic (passing a gallstone), as evidenced by elevated
liver enzymes and local tenderness.  The pain was diffuse and couldn't be
easily localized, but it's feels a bit like giving birth somewhere
in the middle of your back. :-)  Of course, both happened at night
on weekends, and my HMO wasn't too much help.  (I was groaning in pain
on the phone and being told, "Well, you can come in if you really want to.")

Luckily these episodes never recurred (nor did my urge to cheat or, later
on, my romance with Optifast).  My doctor at the HMO said it was just as well
to ignore it unless problems kept recurring, because the surgeons would
just as soon get the knives out.  Not bad advice in retrospect.


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From: nml@hq.lcs.mit.edu (Newton Loui)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Power Burst Training System
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:34:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: hq.NML.92Sep29123441
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science

In article <1992Sep29.025511.9203@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> raymond@harp.ecn.purdue.edu (Ray Kamin) writes:

 >Date: 29 Sep 92 02:55:11 GMT
 >
 >Does anyone have any information about the Power Burst Training System
 >by Leo Costa as advertised in M&F?  This seems to fall into the category
 >"If it seems to good to be true, it probably is".  
 >
 >THANX,
 >
 >Ray
 > 

I ordered and used the Bulgarian Power Burst Training System from
March to August of 1990.  Just to give some examples of strength gains
I experienced:

Exercise	Beg.	Max.	End	
========	=====	=====	======
squat		80x10		135x6	
bench press	80x10	135x5	125x6	 
close grip	80x10	115x8		 
incline BB prs	50x12	 95x5	 95x10
behind neck	35x10	 65x10	 75x6	 
BB curl		45x12		 75x5	 
tricep pressdn	45x12	130x6	100x10
bentover row	80x12	115x8		
calf press	70x10	400x8	250x12  don't know if sled was included
DB shrug	30x12	 55x8	 50x12
BB shrug	50x12	135x10	145x8

Of course, I list my most spectacular gains. 8-)

I could work out the specified 3x/day and 6 days/week when I was a
student then, but it was very time consuming.  At least two females
commented on how big I looked. ;-)

Unfortunately I developed carpal tunnel syndrome and had to lick it
with the aid of a physical therapist.  I incorporate BPBTS in my
"Weider Instinctive Training Principle"-based workouts now, along with
some other techniques.  8-p

Anyone can e-mail me if you want further details.

nml

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: Hinding.1@nd.edu (John E. Hinding)
Subject: Re: Fat Burning Primer
Followup-To: misc.fitness,rec.running
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:40:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.062604.10132@Princeton.EDU>,
rks@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh K. Sitaraman) wrote:
 
> There seems to be a lot of debate and a few misconceptions about
> Fat burning, Stamina etc. Here are a few basics. They are based on
> standard scientific sources.

I will concede points 1-5...
> 6. Only long sustained exercise ( 30 -40 mins) is guaranteed to burn
> fat (see fat mobilisation etc above). I have seen it work on me and 
> others. I dont know what zip code these other guys are from.

The key word here is guaranteed.  Over the last two years I have gone on an
exercise program without significantly changing my eating patterns.  To
start off with I was working out for over an hour a day, but while I was
losing weight, I also couldn't stay awake through classes.  The last two
thirds of this time period I have been working out less than 30 minutes... 
BUt have lost the majority of my weight during this period.  I started at
265, and am down to 180, but am also more muscular than before.  Of the 85
pounds I think I lost about 30 during the hour long period.  While this is
slightly more than a third of the weight lost, clearly I was still burning
fat at other times.  My zipcode currently is 46556, but I think that it
would have worked at others...

> 7. Some person said doing exercise with breaks as being better
> for burning fat. Not true. Neither does it build stamina.
> (Doing intervals to build stamina is fine. But it should not constitute
> more than small fraction of your total excercise duration. Most
> of it should be of the long continous endurance building type.)

It is not necessarily worse either: Look at professional tennis players and
their stop and go activities...
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
Subject: Re: Protein vs. Weight Gainer Powder
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 07:39:59 GMT

John David Moody (moody@brahms.udel.edu) wrote:
: I was recently reading M & F (Muscle and Fitness) and saw an ad for weight
: gainer powder (Specifically, Joe Weider's Mega Mass 2000).  It contained
: 82 g protein and 312 g carbs, and 5 g fat vs. my protein powder which
: contains 32 g protein, 12 g carbs, and 1 g fat.
: 
: I want to lose bodyfat while maintaining the muscle mass which I worked so
: hard for.  Even though weight gainer powder seems like an illogical choice
: (using weight gainer while wanting to lose weight), it seems reasonable because
: it will give me sufficient protein, while providing me with carbs and very
: little fat.  I will still eat my normal 2 meals/day (I am a student), but will
: use the powder as a supplement.  Any suggestions as to whether I should try
: the weight gainer powder to ensure that my muscle mass is maintained or even
: increases.  I also am thinking of weight gain powder because I read that you
: only gain bodyfat if you eat foods high in fat.
: 
: Any suggestions can either be e-mailed or posted.  Thank you.

There are loads of weight gainer formula's several of which are marketed
under the Weider name.  Non of them reduce your body fat, reducing body
fat is caused only by burning up the readily available protien and carbs
and forcing the body to convert fat into energy.  To reduce body fat it
comes down to basicly burning up more energy than you intake.  If you
continue to work out your muscle mass will not be lost untill all excess
fat is priorly lost.: 
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: PhD candidate - Physical/Theoretical Chemistry - University of Delaware 
: "Are you in good spirits, or are good spirits in you?" - John D. Moody

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Clenbuterol Clarification
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 00:47:13 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland


The August 15, 1992 issue of Lancet had an article on clenbutarol. Here's
the gist of what it said:

It belongs to a class of drugs called beta agonists used to treat
asthma.

It is readily available everywhere in the world, except the U.S.A. Its
potential abuse by athletes is what delays its approval here. Athletes
using large doses suffer from shaking, muscle cramps, high blood pressure,
headaches, irregular heartbeats, and nausea.

Its unique muscle-building properties can prevent muscle wasting in
peope who can't or don't exercise. It can grow muscle in patients with
severe loss of muscle tissue from illness, such as cancer, infection,
and malnutrition.

It can increase protein deposits in muscles by as much as 20%

It helps rid the body of fat, and it does so by raising body temperature,
which increases metabolism.
From: loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Vanadyl Sulfate dosages...
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:03:24 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <io80851@pro-haven.cts.com>, shadow@pro-haven.cts.com (Blaine Hufnagle) writes:
> Well, after the flurry of discussion on Vanadyl Sulfate, I'm kinda thinking
> about trying some.  What I'm wondering, though, is what a good dosage is.  I
> looked at GNC today, and all they had was a small bottle of Vanadyl sulfate
> mixed with some magnesium and some chromium picolinate.  The dosage was 8 mg
> of VS and about 50 mcg of the magnesium and chromium.  The price was only
> $12.95, and was marketed by Strength Systems Limited.  (you know, the ones
> with the garish neon-green bottles)

DO NOT PURCHASE STRENGTH SYSTEMS!!!!  IT IS SHIT!!!!  Real Vanadyl Sulfate is
blue in color.  The Strength Systems is nothing but junk.  Dosage depends upon
your bodyweight.  I am taking 2 10mg tablets per day.  I may increase  to 3/day
but it is suggested not to go above 30mg/day.  This stuff is highly toxic, and
can make you extremely sick.

-Rob

> 
> Is it just me or does this seem like a rip-off?  Seems that the dosage needs
> to be higher, and the price needs to be higher, too, to be anywhere near
> effective.  Am I right or am I just being overly cautious?
> 
> -blaine
> 
> -blaine   a.k.a. The Midnight Shadow    |  1979 Chevy Urban Assault Vehicle
> Texas Aggie Bus Driver and proud of it! |  1982 Thomas Transit Liner bus
> Another Bodybuilder from HELL!!         |  1982 Yamaha Vision   DoD #7192
>         "Mine is not to wonder why, Mine is but to look and cry....."
From: cutrell@nic.cerf.net (Doug Cutrell)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Succinates
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:54:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.3020
Organization: CERFnet

I recently tried a product from Champion Nutrition called "Muscle
Nitro".  It contains primarily sodium and potassium succinates
(around 3 grams per serving), plus some inosine and branched chain
amino acids.  The instructions are to take it 45 minutes before
a workout.  The hype on the bottle says its supposed to improve
oxygen utilization in muscles and reduce lactic acid buildup.
The thing is, the stuff seems to work -- at least when I use
it occasionally, before an intense workout, I definitely seem
to get a "second wind" well into my workout.  When normally I
would feel tired and "used up", with the succinates I feel
rarin' to go and typically continue for longer, with more reps
and higher weights.
 
My question is:  is this harmful?  Has anyone else had experience
with succinates, positive or negative?  Does reducing the
"metabolic impact" of intensive training also lessen its growth
stimulating properties?  It is possible that the effects are
psychological (I know the mind can exert powerful influences), but
they really do seem to be striking.
 
Doug Cutrell
cutrell@cerf.net
From: baker@westsd.dco.dec.com (Art Baker)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Ephedrine and Caffeine
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:28:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: decuac.1992Sep30.192847.13724
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1992Sep30.120816.407@hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>>>          There is also some unpublished
>>>          data which suggests that  this combination acts as
>>>          a "nutrient repartitioning  agent," increasing the
>>>          proportion of  muscle mass and reducing  the total
>>>          feed   requirements    in   growing    pigs   (9).
>> 
>This is BULLSHIT!! This combination WILL NOT INCREASE MUSCLE MASS!!  JESUS 
>CHRIST  WHERE THE HELL IS THIS SHIT COMING FROM???????  THE RATIO OF MUSCLE
>MASS TO FAT WILL CHANGE IN FAVOR OF MORE MUSCLE MASS TO FAT, BUT THE OVERALL
>AMOUNT OF MUSCLE IS NOT GOING TO INCREASE!!!  BESIDES, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK
>THAT WE AS HUMANS ARE NOT IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS SWINE!!

 If you read what's written there, you'll see that it says "increasing
the *PROPORTION* [emphasis added]".  It says nothing about increasing
the absolute amount of muscle.  As you yourself point out, what's
changing is the ratio of muscle to fat.  What in this statement do you
consider to be so unbelievable that it justifies the loud-mouthed and
abusive style of your post ?


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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: RMNL69@paccvm.corp.mot.com (Les Aquino)
Subject: Re: 3 Re: QUESTION about Vitamin C
Organization: Motorola
Date: 28 Sep 1992 10:37:58 HKT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------


I am currently taking 500mg a day of vit C.  I thought this would
be sufficient as being a smoker my body deletes vit C at an extremely fast
rate. So, am I taking enough vit C to maintain good health and is it true
that you cannot  "overdose" on vit C?

Janice.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Smoking does deplete your Vit C.  The rate of depletion per day will
depend on how much you smoke per day.  I just read from a health/fitness
poster that a STICK of cigarette depletes anywhere from 25-100 mg.
I'm not sure about overdosing.  What I know however is that Vit C is one
of those water-soluble vitamins and is easily passed out from the body.

LES
From: kbarss@scott.skidmore.edu (Kelly Barss)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Low Body Fat %
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:32:16 GMT
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY

mdk@michael.udev.cdc.com (Mike D. Kail) writes:
> I recently had my Body Fat % taken at my Health Club via a small
> computer - the Futrex 1000.  I realize that this is not the most
> accurate means, but it was free. ;-)  I had this done early in
> the morning, before I had eaten anything, though I was properly
> hydrated.  I knew that my % was low, but it came out to be a
> *whopping* 0.5%.  I know that this number is _not_ humanly possible,
> and the margin of error for this machine for extremely lean/obese
> people is greater, but is it possible for a person's BF % to actually
> be too low?  Are there any dangers/side effects/etc...???
> 
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> 
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Gee, Mike - that's definitely a low body fat percentage!  Really tho, that
is absurd!  For women I know that a body fat percentage below 12% is not
good to maintain - you lose your period with anything any lower (not that
that's bad! :))  I'm not sure what's too low for men...

Kelly.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: evans@cs.uwp.edu (Randy Evans)
Subject: Steroids
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:52:03 GMT


Hi did any one out there recieve an ad from Mass Machine?  They are a mail
order steroid company.  Myself and two others friends got one, and as 
far as we can tell there is no other connection accept we all like to work-
out.  Has anyone delt with them?  I myself think its a scam or perhaps some
type of government sting operation.  

Thanx for reading.



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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: LIQUID FASTING DIET
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:09:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct2.010919.23080
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Oct01.231643.21946@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
>I guess I was trying to recall the details of some fad diet from 20
>years ago, where autopsies were done on its victims, and they found
>degeneration of the heart muscle. It involved some sort of fasting,
>and liquid protein, I think.

This was low-quality collagen-based hydrolysates with no electrolyte
supplementation.  It has nothing to do with the very-low-calorie
diet preparations used today.

>These fasting diets are somewhat intriguing, though, at least in how
>they must have evolved. I suspect all the little "important" details
>exist for the purpose of creating the illusion there is purpose to
>it all. Otherwise, if it appeared too simple, its disciples might
>lose interest.

??

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From: lott@egr.msu.edu (Jennifer Lott)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: THE DIET WORKSHOP
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:54:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Case Center, Michigan State University

My appologies already if this is the wrong newsgroup.  Feel free to correct 
me.  In a nice way of course.

Has anyone ever heard of THE DIET WORKSHOP or had success with it?
Your comments are appreciated.

Jennifer (j)
From: kpalm@athena.qualcomm.com (Kent Palm)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: love handles
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:33:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.kpalm.718302826
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

Try swimming!  Worked great for me!
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Fat Burning Primer
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:45:02 GMT

In <137849@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> keg@strathspey.llnl.gov (Keith Grant) writes:
>On the other hand, Scott and Howley comment regarding fuel utilization:
>
>"Proteins play only a minor role as a substrate during exercise with fat and
>carbohydrate serving as the major sources of energy during activity in the
>healthy individual consuming a balanced diet.  In general, carbohydrates are
>used as the primary fuel during high intensity exercise.  Further, 
>carbohydrates serve as the major substate at the onset of low-to-moderate-
>intensity exercise.  However, during prolonged work (i.e. > thirty minutes) 
>there is a gradual shift from carbohydrate metabolism toward an increasing 
>reliance of fat as a substrate.  Whether fat or carbohydrate is the primary 
>substate during work is determined largely by the availability of the fuel 
>to the individual muscle cell and those factors that regulate glycolysis, 
>the Kribs cycle, and the electron transport chain".

I'm a bit confused--do you think the above supports "during the first 10 
minutes of exercise, you burn almost exclusively glycogen" (the original
claim)? 

If so, I would argue that the above states that carbos are the primary
fuel for "high intensity" exercise--which probably means above the 85% 
that is recommended for aerobic exercise, no?  I don't think that's the
type of exercise we are talking about here.  

Secondly, for "low to moderate" exercise, it talks about a shift towards 
greater fat burning the longer you exercise (which I agree with).  But 
it doesn't say anything about "10 minutes before you start burning fat".

Finally, it does say that whether fat or carbos are used are determined by
a lot of individual factors (fat in the blood, ability of muscles to use
fat, etc).

If you don't think the above supports the 10 minutes to fat-burning claim, 
then I guess we're in agreement :-).

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: sonic@cray.com (Curtis L. Swanson)
Subject: Re: LIQUID FASTING DIET
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:58:41 CDT


I really hope that Mr. Mcelwaine's knowledge of diets is better than his
knowledge of Physics (TOO mathmatical???? Physics is NOTHING BUT apllied
math).  Even given that, this diet sounds really bad.....

***  Curt Swanson  ***  sonic@romulus.cray.com  ***  IOTTMCO  *********
HOME:n - That mythical place where you can go and relax.......
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: watanabe@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: Bailey & Butter Burning Revisited - Short Summary
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:46:09 GMT

paul@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Paul Fidler) writes:

>In article <1992Sep28.165541.6470@m.cs.uiuc.edu> watanabe@sunflower.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe) writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>I have been convinced by Steve Dyer's arguments that there is
>>little evidence that metabolism is significantly changed by exercise.
			^
Sorry folks, what I meant was RESTING metabolic rate.

>Oh well, I guess Steve can speak for himself, if he happens to see this....

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