Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kbalasub@sparcle.oracle.com (Kris Balasubramanian)
Subject: Re: South Indian<>Dravidian
Reply-To: kbalasub@sparcle.oracle.com
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:58:11 GMT
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Hi,
	I dont agree with what you are saying. I found this discussion very
informative, thought provoking and very exciting. In fact this is the only subject
i eagerly await to read in this group. Lot of Cultural and historical information
that should have been part of the entire Indian education system came out of this.
I think if it were part of the educational system, there wont be relegious bickerings
and people would be more tolerent of others openions and existance..
	When westerners can takeup this historical studies out of genuine
interest and publish books, we just want to ignore the whole thing and want to
continue to live in darkness. THIS IS NOT A SUBJECT FOR PUBLIC POLL. IT IS NOT
AN OPINION OF AN INDIVIDUAL. Solid evidences and studies were often quoted by
Selvakumar as well as others who disagreed with him. 
	In my opinion this subject should be continued, in fact it will be interseting if someone published a book which is a collection of all the sensible
discussions (leaving out personal attacks etc.) that went on here.

kris B

In article 150340EASWAR@PURCCVM.BITNET, EASWAR@PURCCVM.BITNET () writes:
>NOT ALL SOUTH INDIANS GO WITH DRAVIDIAN THEORY.
>
>Let me explain.
>
>When Selvakumar started this thread a few months back, I sent a personal
>mail to him requesting him not to continue. I told him that I thought
>any discussion on the net could only degenerate and that it would
>eventually hurt the sensibilities of a lot of people. We see the rot
>now. And it is time someone told him to stop.
>
>Another , and actually more important reason is the 'STEREOTYPING' of an
>                       ---------------------
>average South Indian by the rest of India if this thread continues.
>
>I THINK DRAVIDIAN SUPPORTERS NEED A REALITY CHECK. It is time these
>people paused and took a stock of what they have achieved.
>
>
ON THE CONTRARY THE REST OF INDIANS ONLY NEED THIS CHECK.
Why dont you go and read and do some research on this?

>CLAIM 1 : A majority of Non-Tamil south Indians do not believe in the
>Dravidian Stuff.
>
>In my discussions with a lot of non-tamil southies, I found this to be
>true.
>
>A simple way to test this hypothesis is to conduct a poll on the nets
>and I challenge the Pro-Dravidians to do so. Until then, you ask the
>      ---------
>next South Indian (Non-Tamil) you meet and verify for yourself.
>
>

Hypothesis are not proved by polls. 

>CLAIM 2 : WE RESPECT AND WORSHIP LORD RAM.
>
>This, I believe, is the acid test. An average South Indian does not
>denigrate Ram. He does not condone those who burn Lord Ram's effigy on
>Ramlila (in retaliation to burning of Ravan in the north).
>
>IN FACT, HE SHUDDERS AT THE BLASPHEMY. Being the tolerant soul he is, he
>ignores them.
>
>
>Claim 3 : Dravidianism can only lead to further divisions in an already
>fragmented society.
>
>
I dont think so. This study will openup the peoples eyes about how INDIA came to be
and How releigion  is only a means to an end and is created by handful of people
for controlling the masses. This will broaden the minds of all people.

>The caste system is based on the following propositions which apply
>equally well to Dravidianism. For example;
>
>1. A man is born in a Brahmin/Shudra (Aryan/Dravidian).
>2. People belonging to different Brahmin and Shudra castes { read
>Dravidian and Aryan races} are, SOMEHOW, different.
>3. If two castes(races) are different, then they can be compared in
>terms of value/worth, somehow defined.
>4. Thus,one caste (race) will be superior to another.
>
By studing the evolution of INDIA people can learn that at the beginning there was
no releigon, no casts and why it was necessary to have one etc., Then they will learn to
respect all relegions and different races.

>{ No particular order is intended above}.
>
>The rest of South India ( Non- Dravidians) can see this connection.
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>Thus, they do not support Dravidianism, fully comprehending the
>repurcussions.
>
>CLAIM 4 : { This is STRONG stuff, with some unparlimentary language.
>Sensitive Readers may avoid this}
>
>CLAIM 4:PISSING INTO A TENT YOU DON'T LIVE IN IS WRONG.
>
>You have no right to criticize my country in a destructive way from
>outside. As long as you are a part of India, you will suffer from the
>consequences, and hence that automatically forces you to be pragmatic.
>In other words, you will not piss inside the tent when you are living in
>it, because you too will have to live with the stink. Don't piss on my
>country from outside, you may be raising an issue we can very well do
>without.
>
WE ALL ARE /WERE LIVING AND PISSING INSIDE THE TENT AND LIVING IN THE STINK:

CLAIM 6 : RIGHTING HISTORICAL WRONGS IS DANGEROUS.
>
>This should be self-evident. This is what Hitler did and RSS says it is
>doing. Let us not repeat the mistakes of the past.
>
>
I think you did not read the majore portion of this discussion at all and started 
preaching. Better go and read all, it will make sense (if you have a open mind).
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>GROW UP, THE WORLD IS PASSING YOU BY.                    Nyshadham
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Only this line makes sense. But it is for you. 

kris B