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From: ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Red Dragon film
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 10:36:00 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK

     "Red Dragon" was made into a film released in the US as, "Manhunter," and
was released theatrically to not very much excitement.  After the "Silence of
the Lambs," hysteria, it was shown on NBC as, "The Pursuit of Hannibal Lecter,"
for no apparent reason.  (I thought Hannibal Lecter already WAS in prison.  Why
pursue him?)  OH well.. I guess they had to stick his name SOMEWHERE in the
title.


phluuke@maria.wustl.edu

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From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: My dear Laruel!!!!
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:07:33 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <cV9iPB1w165w@wuntvor.norman.ok.us> ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven) writes:
>     If you will get a copy of Steve King's, "Danse Macabre," you will find a
>VERY lenghty write up of Harlan Ellison, the genius who usually writes only
>short stories.
>     I beg you to PLEASE go out and read some of his stories.  Whether you love
>them or hate them, you won't go away unscathed.


I have "Danse Macabre" but never read it yet (it is one of the books on my
unread piles). I will check it out. I will also read Harlan Ellison's work at
your recommendation! Thanks!

		Laurel

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From: J1300DAF@vm.univie.ac.at
Subject: Bad horror films ... why?
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:26:28 GMT


It's been an interesting week on TV. Some stations here were showing
a lot of horror films, and I really was amazed that nearly each
and every of this films was  really BAD. (With the exception of
Romero's Dawn of the Living Dead, which is always a pleasure to
watch)
But they were showing Amityville Horror (a kind of sleeping pill)
Salem's Lot (incredible bad), Hooper's Chiller (yawn|||) and
Exorcist II (fascinating bad movie).

So, my request is: any theory, why there are only a few really good
films in this field? I mean, it's really interesting, that the
genre consists of 95% crap ...

   - Oliver

"I never drink ... wine." (The Count)
From: ov@saturn.cs.swin.oz.au (Owen Veenstra)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: "I am Legend" book 4
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:29:37 GMT
Organization: Swinburne Institute of Technology, Hawthorn, Victoria

In article <yDqNPB3w165w@wuntvor.norman.ok.us>, ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven) writes:
|> 
|>      I haven' seen it yet.. I only have issue 1 and have read issue 2, but
|> haven't seen the other two.  Please let me know if you find them!  Fantaco is a
|> ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven)
|> The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK -- +1 405 325 9607

   I know for a fact that issue three has been released (I have a copy of it).
 I was reciently emailed, and told that 'I am Legend' issue four has *not*
 been avalable.   (My apologies to the person that informed my of this out
 there - I would credit you if only I could remember your name;  however
 thanks anyway).

                                Owen
From: ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: whoops!
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 23:39:24 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK

     I could have sworn it was, "The Pursuit of Hannibal Lecter," which always
struck me as strange, but if you say so, hokay by me! :)

ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us

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From: frantz@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Stand
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:37:47 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Aug18.185534.9627@ra.oc.com>, frazier@elf.etsu.edu (Jeff Frazier) writes:
> I can't say much about Lovecraft because I have never read him, but Poe is
> one of the worst writers I have ever had to read. Every one of his works
> are really boring. Steven King is much,much,much better than Poe IMO and The
> Stand is one of the best books I have ever read. I don't understand this
> fascination with Poe because if he was really any good they wouldn't make
> you read him in school. The only author I have ever had to read in school
> that was any good is Twain.   
> 
> Jeff Frazier (frazier@elf.etsu.edu)

I'd be really interested to know what of Poe's work you have read, Jeff, 
and perhaps why you didn't enjoy him.  I think that if you can get past the 
difficult style and language (keep in mind that Poe is writing in a very 
different time than King), you might find a great many similarities between 
the way Poe builds tension (for an easier read and good example of what i 
mean here, read the Tell Tale Heart) and the way King does.  I liked the 
Stand a great deal, too, but I don't really believe you can compare it with 
anything Poe did.  First of all, Poe never wrote anything that long.  In 
think his talent was primarily shorter work (IMHO), and clearly King's The 
Stand is not an exercise in brevity.  Secondly, I think Poe paid much more 
attention to plot development and King's emphasis is on character 
development.  Respectfully, I see them as both pretty successful as they 
produce wonderful reads.
Andrea @ BVC

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From: mch@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)
Subject: Re: Barker and sex 
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:28:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.213031.11727@mdd.comm.mot.com> ketter@mdd.comm.mot.com (Cindy Ketterling) writes:
>I have to say, one of the most annoying things, to me, is the way
>sex is used in modern horror fiction.  Too many authors fall into
>two traps:  a) throwing in several sex scenes out of context because
>sex sells books or  b) not dealing with the subject at all, or 
>through euphemisms that indicate that the author is not comfortable
>with the subject.  One thing that always amuses me is when an author
>can throw in a blow-by-blow description of a disembowelment, then...

A few other writers manage the fusion of sex and horror well.
For instance, Karl Edward Wagner and Grant Morrison both have 
stories in _Hotter Blood_ which are worthy of note.

These are just the examples that come to mind. I'm sure I can
come up with a few others, if there is any demand.

Mark
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From: mch@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)
Subject: Re: Barker...Which one?
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 04:51:01 GMT

In article <170pl0INN30e@network.ucsd.edu> mmaxwell@ucsd.edu writes:
>Okay.  After lurking on alt.horror for some time and seeing
>post after post about Clive Barker, i figure he must be worth
>reading.  The question is which one of Barker's books should
>i read to get a feel for him?  I used to be a big King reader...

I'd recommend any of the six volumes of the _Books of Blood_.

Mark
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From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: New horror writers
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:06:29 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <5LugPB2w165w@wuntvor.norman.ok.us> ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven) writes:
>laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan) writes:
>
>authors with great talent..  My favorite all-around writer is Harlan Ellison
>who wrote one of the most terrifying stories I've ever read, "I Have No Mouth
>and I Must Scream"   How about you?


I like McCammon, but I have not read much Simmons. They call me a kinghead on
here so I guess you have some idea of who my favorite author is!

Where can I get a copy of "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream"?
				Laurel

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                                                  there in the light---
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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: iroderic@alfred.carleton.ca (Ian Roderick)
Subject: Re: Question: Frankenstein, the true story?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:04:49 GMT

In <1992Aug18.084839.1822@bvc.edu> frantz@bvc.edu writes:

>In article <1992Aug18.083952.1821@bvc.edu>, frantz@bvc.edu writes:
>> In article <iroderic.714087144@cunews>, iroderic@alfred.carleton.ca (Ian Roderick) writes:
>>> In <1992Aug17.142337.1819@bvc.edu> frantz@bvc.edu writes:
>>> 
>>>>In article <kuehnel.713696426@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE>, kuehnel@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Hans Kuehnel) writes:
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>The original Frankenstein (yes, that was the name of the novel) was written 
>>>>by Mary Shelley.  She established herself as one of the first significant 
>>>>female gothic writers of the 19th century with it.  The fiction behind the 
>>>>fiction, as it were, is stuff of fable.  There was no Dr. Frankenstein (as 
>>>>far as anyone knows, of course), but many people who have studied feminist 
>>>>literature have several theories about the origin of the story.  Mary 

>>>>another famous and popular poet of the time.  Mary's mother was Mary 
>>>>Wollstonecraft, also a famous feminist and writer far ahead of her time.  
>>>>Anyway, with a family of famous and artistic geniouses around her, Mary 
>>>>felt somewhat overshadowed and did not ever attempt to write anything of 
>>>>significance before this story.
>>> 


>>> 
>>>>Andrea @ BVC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Close, but I believe you've made a couple of errors.
>>> 
>>> Re: Frankenstein; or, The Modern Prometheus
>>> 
>>> The proto-feminist you speak of is not Mary's mother but Mary herself.
>>> She (1797-1851) is known as Mary Shelley, Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley
>>> and Mary Wollstonecraft depending upon who you talk to.  I don't know
>>> anything about her mother, I must admit.  Percy Bysshe Shelley
>>> (1792-1822) was her husband and not her brother.  It is still not
>>> completely certain as to which, if not both, of the Shelley's Lord
>>> Byron was having an affair with.  
>>> 
>>>                                                   Ian
>> 
>> You may well be right about Percy Shelley being her husband but I am 
>> positive about Mary Wollstonecraft being Mary Shelley's mother.  I could 
>> look it up if you want proof (which I may do for my own peace of mind 
>> anyway), but I recall that tidbit of trivia being hashed over a number of 
>> times in a feminist lit class I took in grad school.  Perhaps my professor 
>> was wrong, but I doubt it.
>> 
>> Andrea @ BVC

>I did look up the Shelley reference and you're absolutely right about who 
>was married to whom.  Sorry about the blunder.  Guess I've been away from 
>that kind of scholarship for awhile.  Thanks for setting me straight.

>Andrea @ BVC
>> 


Andrea

Take note of the follow-up posted by Deus Imperator.  You were quite
right about Mary's mother.  I shall have to brush up on my bio's and
my feminist history.

with apologies

                                        Ian
From: brian@zooid.guild.org (Brian Misiaszek)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Some other authors
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:21:16 GMT

>Brian Lumley - 	Unfortunately I have only read the Necroscope series of books
>	by this author. They being
>		NECROSCOPE 
>		NECROSCOPE II - Vampyrie
>		NECROSCOPE III - ...?...
>		NECROSCOPE IV - Deadspeak
>	these are all longish(~450 pgs) novels generally about vamps, I am 
>	currently engrossed in a fifth in this series NECROSCOPE V - 
>	Deadspawn. However, don't make the mistake of dismissing them as run-
>	of-the-mill. They are written in an imaginative style with an 
>	original twist.
>		I am aware that this dude has written many other
>	novels,	collections of short stories, and poems but can't seem to 
>	get hold of any of these. Maybe someone out there can help me, huh?
 
  His Lovecraftian novels are pretty good--"The Transition of Titus Crowe",
"The Burrower's Beneath", etc.
 
  I liked a number of authors on your list.  Though I noticed the omission of
one "splatterpunk" author I like--Joe Lansdale.
 
::Brian::

Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: AZ.EPC@forsythe.stanford.edu 
Subject: Re: Val Lewton horror movies
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:56:30 GMT

>
>The Body Snatcher -- is that based on the Robert Louis Stevenson short story?
>

Yes.  Great movie, especially for Karloff fans.
From: walley@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Recent horror from the U.K.
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:39:35 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

Hi,

In response to a plea for more discussion about Shaun Hutson, has anyone
out there read his later novels, which to my mind are better than his 
early work. He "Renegades" is a mixture o ancient and modern horrors that works
reasonably well but "Assassin" is by far his best work, fast-paced, full of
action and gore, poor characterisation (this IS Hutson) but a real
roller-coaster ride.
	It is good to see a return to a wider discussion of horror after the
past few months reading about King v Koontz - does it matter which you enjoy??
:-) Graham Masterton is undoubtedly the grossest author I have ever read, his
SABAT series of books being particularly horrendous. The NIGHT WARRIORS series
began as alright but by the third was totally ridiculous. I'm never going to
read "Ritual" again ! Herbert's "Creed" was a real let-down as it failed to mix
humour and horror successfully. Barker's "Imajica" was IMHO far better than
"TGASS" and though lengthy, it was well-plotted. My opinion may be biased
though as I read it after "Needful Things" which is without doubt the worst
book King has ever written and would not have been published under another name
without significant revision.

Let's hear it for the Brits !!!

Andrew J Walley,
Oxford, ENGLAND 
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From: dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell)
Subject: Re: _Necronomicon_ not inspired by _King in Yellow_
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:19:16 EDT

In article <1992Aug10.173037.22308@europa.asd.contel.com> shick@europa.asd.contel.com (steve hick) writes:

>Author:        Hazred, Abdul.
>Title:         Al Azif, or the Necronomicon, translated from the Arab by Dr.
>                 John Dee, being the text recovered from antique lands, with
>                 some annotations by divers hands. London, John Dee, 1589.
>Description:   544 leaves illus. 26 cm.
>
>Subjects:      Spirit writings.
>               Irem (Ruins)
>               Saudi Arabia -- Description and travel.
>
>Other entries: Dee, John, 1527-1608.
> 
>Call numbers:  UCLA  URL       BF 1598 H21aE


	This is bogus. Trust me. Somone in that library is having a
	little bit of fun. 

	"Saudi Arabia -- Description and travel" ... I'm on the
	floor, broken up with laghter. Someone has a very sick
	sense of humor

	Darin Powell
	Syracuse University

Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Bad horror films ... why?
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:07:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug21.073745.5374@newssrv.edvz.univie.ac.at> J1300DAF@vm.univie.ac.at writes:
>
>It's been an interesting week on TV. Some stations here were showing
>a lot of horror films, and I really was amazed that nearly each
>and every of this films was  really BAD. (With the exception of
>Romero's Dawn of the Living Dead, which is always a pleasure to
>watch)
>But they were showing Amityville Horror (a kind of sleeping pill)
>Salem's Lot (incredible bad), Hooper's Chiller (yawn|||) and
>Exorcist II (fascinating bad movie).
>So, my request is: any theory, why there are only a few really good
>films in this field? I mean, it's really interesting, that the
>genre consists of 95% crap ...
>   - Oliver


Romero's 'dead' films have always been some of my favorites (with "Night of
the Living Dead" being the best and most impressive one especially for the
budget with which it was made IMHO). Are you referring to "Night of the Living
Dead" or "Dawn of the Dead" above? Both are good films but the title you give
indicates that it could be either one:) I have to seriously agree with you on
the point that the other films you mention above were terrible (with "Exorcist
II being the worst of the lot at least for me). I mean "The Exorcist" was an
excellent film (the book was even better) and then they throw this cinematic
piece of _______ (insert best word) at us.
My theory? Maybe some filmmakers feel the need to poke fun at or belittle what
scares them in order to deal with it. I mean, if you are sitting there
watching "The Exorcist" and someone says 'Here comes the pea soup part!!" then
they are probably more frightened than you are. Just a theory but does anyone
have any thoughts on it?
				Laurel
 
__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
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From: graziano@rocko.enet.dec.com (Rocko Graziano)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Which Version of The Stand Should I Read
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:27:44 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <12591@operator>, oliver@Software.Mitel.COM (Oliver Postlethwaite) writes...
>Hello,
> 
>Can someone please recommend which version of _The Stand_ is best?
>Does the longer version add much more to the story or does it detract
>from it? Thanks...

depends on what you like to read:

  did you prefer _Swan Song_ to _They Thirst_
  did you prefer _Floating Dragon_ to _Ghost Story_

The 'original' Stand, by being shorter, is a cleaner novel.  It's a faster
read (not just because it's shorter - there are less characters to follow).

The 'expanded' Stand is probably more enjoyable for hard-core fansSK fans.
It adds alot of 'king-like' detail -- detail that enhances the mood, detail
that makes the end-of-the-world more encompasing, more overwhelming.
But I don't think it materially adds to (or detracts from) the story.

If you're not much for epic novels, and you may possibly re-read a book later
in life if you liked it alot, read the 'original'.   If, however, you like big
books, and you're not the type to re-read a novel,  read the 'expanded'
version.  There's more to chew on.

Cheers,
Rocko

           +------------------------------------------------------+
           |   "In a democracy, we are obliged to embrace both    |
           |    its joys and its discomforts."     David Bowie    |
           +------------------------------------------------------+
From: KJOHNSSON@finabo.abo.fi (Kim-Erik Johnsson INF)
Subject: RE: Favorite gore moment
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:37:15 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20


I'm as late as always...

...but the one gore moment that drives me up the wall every time I see it is in
Creepers (however I insist on calling it Phenomena). The final scene where the 
monkey (it's name escapes me at the moment...Inga, maybe?!?) gives the Wicked 
Lady a 'clean shave' with the razor. There's something so...uncontrollable in 
that scene it always succeeds in freaking me out completely. And it goes on
forever! You'll never know what an animal is liable to do with a sharp object,
and that makes you feel kind of helpless...

...for exactly the same reason I find the suspense in Monkey Shines, the scene 
where the monkey puts the hypodermic needle this || close to the poor guy's
eye, almost intolerable. Even though nothing happens.

So there!

  nhn          Kim Johnsson, CS @ ]bo Akademi                 That
s(. .)s             Luostarinkatu 6 B 11                   thing down 
 K o J                  20700 Turku                       there is the
   O                      Finland                    movie quote of the day
"Anyone?!? Anyone?!?"
       - Teacher, Ferris Bueller's Day Off
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From: dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell)
Subject: Re: F.Paul Wilson
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:21:41 EDT

>In article <1992Aug11.105733.13878@newshub.sdsu.edu>, melissa@voyager4.sdsu.edu (Melissa ) writes:
>|> 
>|> (Please send mail to mike@cadme2.sdsu.edu, not melissa)
>|> Hey, this is Mike again.
>|> 	I was just wondering if there are any Wilson fans
>|> out there.

	
	I enjoy Wilson's stuff quite a bit. His short story
	collection, _Soft and Others_, is really good. I
	enjoyed _Reprisal_ as well, although the ending came
	across a bit too much like a soap opera.

	By the way, Wilson is quite outspoken in his hatred
	for the screen adaptation of _The Keep_.

	Darin Powell
	Syracuse University
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu ()
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Stand
Date: 19 Aug 1992 10:41:02 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


> I can't say much about Lovecraft because I have never read him, but
> Poe is one of the worst writers I have ever had to read. Every one of
> his works are really boring. Steven King is much,much,much better
> than Poe IMO and The Stand is one of the best books I have ever read.
> I don't understand this fascination with Poe because if he was really
> any good they wouldn't make you read him in school. The only author I
> have ever had to read in school that was any good is Twain.   


I assume this message was in response to my message about NOT liking Steven
King, or most of the commercial horror writers in general.

I think your message completely proves my point about the sort of juvenile
mental level King and other mass-market paperback type horror authors appeal
to.  You haven't read Lovecraft, well, lemme give you a brief idea of what
his stuff is about:  he idolized Poe, and all his stories use WAY too many
big words and too much old-fashioned language, and they're really pretty
much dead boring.  

"If he were any good, why would they make you read him in school"... I 
don't even believe it.  It HAS to be flame-bait, someone tell me so I know
for sure...  >sob!<