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From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: H.R. Giger's Alien
Date: 12 Sep 1992 04:05:33 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


CN> I would really like to know as well if it is a "graphic novel" of
CN> Aliens or a book of Giger's work.

As far as I know, it is a (somewhat thin, for the price) book of Giger's
design illustrations for the first ALIEN movie.  He not only designed the
xenomorph creature itself, but also the alien planet sequence from the
beginning of the film.  The interior of the alien ship is full of little
Giger touches.

This book, I seem to recall, is not as impressive as some of his others,
including NECRONOMICON and NECRONOMICON 2.  I know the latter also has
some of his ALIEN designs in it.  I think the ALIEN book itself is printed
in black and white as well, and Giger's paintings, while in most cases not
very colorful, are not really "black and white" either.  There are a lot
of subtle sepia tones in them that add to their appearance quite a bit.
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Nightbreed & monster movies
From: tinsley@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 15 Sep 92 10:39:53 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

I saw the movie Night Breed and was hoping for a good horror movie 
but I was sadly dissapointed.  The thing I did like is that the 
monsters were the good guys and humans were the terrible creatures.  
I have a certain facination for monsters so this movie was 
refreshing.  I think a much better job could have been done on the 
plot and the reality of the monsters.  I would be in seventh heaven 
if a real monster horror movie was made.  For example, Aliens was a 
great movie. It even had a woman for a hero.  The monsters were truly 
terrifying and it had the power to scare you to death.  That is how a 
monster movie should be.  Night Breed wasn't scarry at all.  
Hopefully in the future there will be more truly scarry, horror movies.
From: aa361@yfn.ysu.edu (Tom Puncekar)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Werewolf MOVIES?
Date: 16 Sep 92 02:29:26 GMT
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net


Thanks to all that responded to my last post about werewolf novels...
The help was GREATLY appreciated...But now, I have another request...
Movies..Does anyone have a good list of any and all werewolf movies, made 
since at least 1980? I looked at _The Wolfen_ at a local video store, and
saw that from the description, it looked like it had nothing to do with
werewolves or lycanthropy, but had more to do with an alien race..

...


..Tom...
-- 
I hate punks who play 9-Ball....
      
                         -- Eddie Felson, The Color Of Money
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From: rickk@emu.com (Rick Kleffel)
Subject: Re: The Reflecting Skin - A Vampire tale???
Summary: Terrible reviews
Keywords: terrible, pretentious
Organization: E-Mu Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:54:10 GMT

THis movie might have looked interesting to see in the theatres.  It was a big hit
in Europe and england, but was trashed by dependable (LA TImes)
reviewsers over here as predictable, pretentious and somewhat anti-
american in stance.  The main thing I remember from the reviews was
that the director had acres of wheat spray pinted gold so it would
look pretty.  Not having seen it, I would suspect it was of the
"arty-monster-movie-without-a-monster" variety.  But then, seeing
it may change my mind.  If I bother to, that is.

Rick Kleffel


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From: gckchin@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Kelvyn Chin)
Subject: Re: The Reflecting Skin - A Vampire tale???
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:39:20 GMT

virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (curious vIRgO) writes:
: 
: A friend of mine said there was a movie(shot and released to video)called
: "The Reflecting Skin", and he said it involves a female vampire. I have 
: heard of no such release,though I find it as a video listing(just not the
: video). Does anyone have any comments on this??? Seen the film??? What's
: it about??? E-mail will be most appreciated.
: 
: curious virgo
: -- 
:

The Reflecting Skin
1990, colour, 95 mins.
Directed: Philip Riley  
Cast: Viggo Martenson, Lindsay Duncan, Jeremy Cooper, Sheila Moore.


Brief synopsis: Critically acclaimed movie by British director Riley, about the
events in the life of an eight year old. Close to an "art" movie, though I 
hate using this word. This film is far from boring, and forces viewers to 
vividly  experience the happening in the  countryside through the eyes of 
a young boy.


(minor spoilers..... go no further if you don't like to know certain scenes
in the movie)














It is NOT about a female vampire. Rather it is a surprising, shocking and
at times morbid fantasy about the world as seen through the eyes of a young
boy, eight year old Seth Dove, who lives with his parents in the countryside.


As the movie unfolds, we get to see how the child views his surroundings. The
movie is populated by weird and dysfunctional characters: i.e his brother
who comes back broken after the Vietnam war, his father who is supposedly
a child molester, some real bad dudes who are child murderers, a lonely
widow (which the boy associates with a vampire out to possess his brother).

I recommend this movie (it's new, 1990) especially for those who go for 
unconventional movies. It's extremely powerful, visually exciting, a stunning
piece of work. According to the director, his is an alternate musical interpretation of reality-- "not real, but true". I guarantee that some scenes will stick
with you days after: the opening sequence, the tracking shot leading up to
the widow's house, the death in flames, the visceral climax.

What I like about it is that the viewer is forced to experience and see things
thorugh the eyes of a child: women are vampires, murderers are angels who
drive around in impressive cars, boys die and return as fallen dolls, kissing
and sex appears the work of some horrible demon: the movie moves like some
misshapen dream/ nightmare, the lines separating them often blurred.

Be warned, however. There is no linear plot- line for you to follow. Rather, 
what appears on screen are loosely related, with several events running
parallel to each other. The direction however never looses focus, with the
young Seth Dove as the central protagonist binding the events together in a 
colorful collage. 

Depressing, but extremely rewarding. I rate it an 8.5 on a scale of 1 to 10.
 
: Paul "Axel" Virgo
: Metters Industries
: Arlington, VA 22202



kelvyn
From: rac@calmasd.Prime.COM (Russ Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: New Vampire Movie!!!
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:17:43 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA


   There is a new horror film directed by John Landdis (sp?) of American
   Wherewolf in London fame, scheduled for release on the 25th of Sept.

   I seen previews of it this weekend but can not remeber the name of it.
   It has a female vampire, and it looked excellent. Does anybody have any
   more info. on this one. Sorry I forgot the name, you can flame only if 
   you have some info. on this movie.

   -[Russ.
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From: mdouglas@cad067.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Maria Douglas ~)
Subject: Re: Necromonicon
Organization: Intel Corp.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:58:29 GMT


-- 
Many different cultures have a "Necronomicon."  Probably the best
known is the Egyptian Book of the Dead.  The Necronomicon that
Lovecraft wrote about was fake, although in the late 17th and early
18th centuries in Europe, it was rumoured that a Necronomicon was
passing hands.  The penalty for being caught with it was death and
(supposedly) destruction of the book.  Any book that's out there
now is a fake.  I read the hokey paperback--it's terrible, and if
there IS a real one (that is, one like Lovecraft's fictitious book),
it is INCREDIBLY dangerous.  I would avoid it.

Giger's Necronomicon is the only artistic work that I know of with
that title.

--
Maria E. Douglas	(408) 765-4728
Intel Corporation	mdouglas@cadev6.intel.com

"It bit his head off--like a GINGERBREAD man!"

	From Beyond

Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: mdouglas@cad067.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Maria Douglas ~)
Subject: Re: Necronomicon
Organization: Intel Corp.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:42:35 GMT

In article <gehTH3O00Uh742lmok@andrew.cmu.edu>, fw0a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Frederick D Wong) writes:
|> Well, as far as I know the Necronomicon was a book describing the
|> symbols and arcane lore of the elder gods. It was first written by the
|> "mad Arab" Abdul Azared (I don't think that's the correcy spelling) but
|> I do know that he was mysteriously devoured by invisible entities in
|> broad daylight in front of several witnesses. That's what the legend is,
|> at least.
|> 
|> Fred Wong

-- 
This is a pseudo-legend.  Keep in mind that Abdul Alhazred is not
even a true Arabic name, merely one created by Lovecraft, who knew much
about the occult, but relatively little about the Middle East.  Also,
there were many writers besides Lovecraft who were part of his circle
of friends.  They, too, wrote and conjectured about the occult, but in
no way believed in the true existence of either Abdul Alhazred or the
fictitious Necronomicon.
--
Maria E. Douglas	(408) 765-4728
Intel Corporation	mdouglas@cadev6.intel.com

"You're a VAMPIRE! Wait till Mom finds out!"

	Lost Boys

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From: harris@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov (Mitch Harris)
Subject: Clive Barker question
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: 11 Sep 92 07:24:25 GMT

Hi, all! Just wondering if anyone had heard when Barker is coming out
with something new? If so, do you know the working title, or what the
subject is?
Thanks!

             ........posted for Beverly H.

--
Mitch Harris                           |  New Technology Inc.
(205)-544-2846                         |  700 Boulevard South, #401
drvax3!harris@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov    |  Huntsville, AL  35802
From: v139hla3@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Martin J Spinelli)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: I NEED HELP WITH RESEARCH
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:33:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


I'm a grad student at the University of Buffalo doing research in gothick
fiction.  I am espescially interested in popular fiction writing  at the
end of the 18th and the beginning of the 19th century and with how they 
were critically and (more importantly) politically recieved in the journals
and periodicals of pre-victorian and early victorian England.  I need to find 
names of journals that contained the contemporary literary and political 
criticisms.  I've had limitted success at the libraries (I have found one
called the "European").  I'd also like to find the specific names of some
of the serial publications called "penny dreadfuls", where they are located
and how to go about getting access to them.

Thanks for reading.

Martin Spinelli
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From: maxc1104@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Generic Account 1104)
Subject: Re: Futuristic Horror
Organization: SDSU Computing Services
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:30:24 GMT

  Harlan Ellison has a little ditty called "Seeing" in his _Strange Wine_ 
collection that stands as a decent example of futuristic horror. (One may
also want to peek at his Kyben stories, particularly "Sleeping Dogs". There's
another Kyben story that's pretty horrific, too; though I can't remember the
title. [Gimme a hand, all you horror junkies out there; it's the one with
the drug addict on the abandoned planet.]) 
  While I'm taking up this precious bandwidth... those of you who haven't heard
already, _The Haunting_ is no longer available on video or anything else due
to unrenegotiable story rights after the 1990 _Rear Window_ Supreme Court 
decision; however, some of your local video hamlets may still have an old
copy or two sitting on the shelves. Those of you who want to see a really
bitchen horror movie while you still can, GET IT. NOW. :)
  Also: I keep hearing two things about the German import _Nekromantik_:
"it's great" and "it's really disgusting". Has anybody out there actually
seen and/or _Nekromantik 2_? And if so, what'd y'all think of it?
  Adieu for now.

                                        Flying over your house,

                                        The Stainless Steel Moviegoer

ROMERO/SAVINI IN '92: In a country ravaged by debt, recession, pollution,
and rioting, we need men who know how to deal with horrifying situations.

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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: "Forever Knight"
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 18:14:59 GMT

jes2x@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (John Sommerville) writes:

>It's pretty reminiscent of Fri13:The Series, which is not 
>unusual as Fred Mollin does the music for this one as well.

It's done by the same Toronto outfit that made "Friday the 13th:
The Series"; however, they do the odd location shot here in NYC
in case people start catching on that it might be Toronto (those
that don't think that we all live in igloos, that is (-;).

gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				
> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		Oct 26/92: Just say "OUI!"
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			(Let's worry about the economy!)
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Tommyknockers on ABC!
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:55:17 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <BuByqo.7yw@agora.rain.com> hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins) writes:
>I'm not sure if the article I posted yesterday got through, but has anyone
>heard anything about a Tommyknockers tv-movie?  This week's issue of
>Entertainment Weekly lists it in it's fall forecast.  Anyone heard
>anything?
>
>BTW, it doesn't list the Stand.  Wasn't this supposed to be in fall time?
>
>And on a side note, I scanned the new T.V. Guide, but it fails to list
>either of the two.  So who knows?
>
>			-Casey Hopkins
>hopkins@agora.rain.com

	Well, the word is "The Stand" this fall and if it does well (is there
any doubt?), "Tommyknockers" next fall.  I think EW got its wires crossed.

							Ray
Info from numerous issues of TV Guide
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From: morpheus@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Morpheus Nosferatu)
Subject: Re: "Forever Knight"
Organization: Netherworld Dreamscape
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:09:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.181459.23127@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>It's done by the same Toronto outfit that made "Friday the 13th:
>The Series"; however, they do the odd location shot here in NYC
>in case people start catching on that it might be Toronto (those
>that don't think that we all live in igloos, that is (-;).
>
>gld

Actually, the show is supposed to be set in Toronto, since in one of the
recent episodes this is explicity stated: Skanky (sp?) states his wife
is the best something or other in all of Toronto (about cosmetics, I
believe).  Also in the same episode they show what is obviously not
an American courtroom, with baristers (sp) in wigs and so forth.

Pseudo-Spoiler Follows:

This is the episode where Nick claims to have witnessed a murder and
has to go to court as a witness (and of course the trial takes place
during the day).


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From: virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (curious vIRgO)
Subject: The Reflecting Skin - A Vampire tale???
Organization: Metters Industries, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:25:24 GMT


A friend of mine said there was a movie(shot and released to video)called
"The Reflecting Skin", and he said it involves a female vampire. I have 
heard of no such release,though I find it as a video listing(just not the
video). Does anyone have any comments on this??? Seen the film??? What's
it about??? E-mail will be most appreciated.

curious virgo
-- 

Paul "Axel" Virgo
Metters Industries
Arlington, VA 22202
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: tjr0868@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Nightbreed (was Re: Looking for Hellraiser info)
Reply-To: tjr0868@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 22:26:41 GMT

I agree with your criticism of the film but I must add my $.02.  I 
thought the film was very good because I had read the book and was able
to piece together in my mind what was left out of the story in the film.
But the weak parts of the film, and there are a lot of them, were not 
Barker's fault.  The movie was made and followed _Cabal_ very closely.
Then Barker turned the movie over to another company to do the editing.
The editors then proceded to mangle the film beyond recognition.  I saw 
Barker at Fangoria's Weekend of Horrors and he was not happy with the
final product.

                                          ->Spice
From: frantz@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Marriage as Hell: Charlotte Perkins Gilman on TV
Date: 11 Sep 92 07:32:30 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <iroderic.716053120@cunews>, iroderic@alfred.carleton.ca (Ian Roderick) writes:
> In <1992Sep8.120451.1892@bvc.edu> frantz@bvc.edu writes:
> 
> {excellent review deleted to save space}
> 
>>Fiona, since you appear to be up on the latest in feminist horror 
>>literature and film, perhaps I should aim this question at you.  I have 
>>heard reference to a piece called (I think) "The Madwoman in the Attic" 
>>which seems to vaguely resemble the story line you outline for "The Yellow 
>>Wallpaper."  Do you know if they are one in the same?  If not, do you know 
>>anything about "The Madwoman in the Attic?"  Who wrote it?  Is it fiction 
>>or non-fiction?  When was it written?  If you don't know, perhaps one of 
>>the other netters can help out.
> 
>>Andrea @ BVC
> 
> Just in case you don't have your answer yet (perhaps it was emailed) I
> can give you the reference.
> 
> _The_Madwoman_in_the_Attic:_The_Woman_Writer_and_the_Nineteenth_Century_Literary_Imagination.
> Sandra M. Gilbert and Susan Gubar
> New Haven, Conn.: Yale U.P., 1979.
> ISBN 0300022867
> 
> It is an anthology of literary criticism and well worth reading if you
> are at all interested in how the production and consumption of the
> novel has been gendered historically.  Another anthology you may find
> useful would be:
> 
> _The_Female_Gothic_
> Juliann E. Fleenor
> Montreal: Eden Publishers, 1983
> ISBN 0920792065
> 
> Ian


Ian, thanks a bunch for the references.  I'll check them out.  Where am I 
getting the connection between Madwoman in the Attic and the story Fiona 
wrote about originally?  If it's literary criticism, I'm betting we're not 
talking about plotline.  Is there a gothic piece out there that describes a 
man who keeps his wife in the attic because she's "different" and 
eventually drives her mad?  I know I've heard something of that plot before 
and would be interested in uncovering the title.

Andrea @ BVC
From: kmjoffe@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kenneth M. Joffe)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Simmons
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:29:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

Just finished reading 'Children of the Night' by Simmons.  Didn't
think that it was as good as Carrion Comfort but it was a pretty
good read.  The beginning was quite medical, talking about
viruses and retroviruses, etc...., but it left this behind
further into the book.  As with other stuff I have read by him,
the main characters escape death time and time again, which
turned me off a little bit.  The best part of the book was the
ending.  Kind of a suprise ending which brought a lot of stuff
together.  Would not say that the book is worth the $25 my
girlfriend spent for the hardcopy.  Those of you who are Simmons
fans should wait for the paperback version.  Haven't read much of
his stuff, but I don't think it is one of his best, but
worthwhile to read.


On an unrelated note, thanks to those of you who recommended I
read 'Boy's Life' by McCammond.  I thought that it was an
excellent book, one of the best I have read in a long time.
Those of you who are thinking of picking something up by
McCammond should definitely think about this one.
From: duby@utkvx3.utk.edu (Duby, Jason Alexander)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: RE: Necronomicon
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:43:00 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	H.P. Lovecraft did indeed create a book called the Necronomicon for
his fantastic fiction, and I have seen at least 3 different books claiming
to be the real thing. As far as I know, the book doesn't really exist.
(but then again...*sinister laughter*)
	Anyways, the Giger Necronomicon is on sale here at a comic book 
shop so I know what you're talking about...I have yet to thumb through it
because they keep it wrapped, and I'm NOT shelling out $70 for something
I can't see first. I imagine it's a collection of Giger art but I have no
REAL knowledge on that at all...There is also a paperback version that I
have seen, and it claims to have real magic,etc. etc. etc. It was intersting
to see them lump the Cthulhu Mythos into an elemental framework (air, earth,
fire, water) but that was the ONLY thing I found vaguely eye-catching.
	There was a Heavy Metal magazine that featured Lovecraft work 
only, and had what they called "excerpts from the Necronomicon". Could 
anyone tell me if that issue is available and at how much?
	Sorry to ramble so long...hope it helped a little.

					Jason

	"First time in my life, I leave the lights on
	 to ease my soul..."

				Kate Bush, "Hammer Horror"
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: John Carpenter's Prince of Darkness
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:10:00 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <7004@stan.xx.swin.oz.au> ov@saturn.cs.swin.oz.au (Owen Veenstra) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.220919.16324@njitgw.njit.edu>, rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes:
>|> 
>|> 	My favorite Carpenter films:
>|> 
>|> 	Christine, The Thing, and Escape From New York.  All have excellent
>|> soundtracks as well, with Christ. and EFNY written by Carpenter himself.
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 						IMHO,
>|> 							Raymond H. Rich
>
>   Talking of soundtracks, Carpenters "The Thing" was composed by the great
>  Ennio Morriconi of the spagetti western fame.  It is a true masterpiece;
>  if you look for it though expect difficulties, it was deleted some time
>  ago.
>
>                                               Owen

	Nope.  The "Thing" soundtrack is available from Varese Sarabande
records on compact disc.  They are planning a mass-rerelease of Carpenter
soundtracks this Halloween.  Cool, eh?

					Ray
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: H.R. Giger's Alien
Date: 14 Sep 1992 04:53:19 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


> Overall, I recommend it if you're a fan of the movie.  If you're a
> fan of Giger more than the movie, then you should go for one of the
> more expensive but more interesting books like Biomechanics or
> Necronomicon.  There's also a relatively inexpensive paper-back book
> called "HR Giger ARh+" which is a broad overview of his work with
> lots of autobiographical material.

"HR Giger ARh+" is a really cool book.  It has lots of color plates of many
of his interesting works.  It's kind of a broad overview, like you said; it
serves the purpose of providing a trade paperback sized coffee-table type 
book of Giger's paintings, that is much less expensive than the big books
like NECRONOMICON 2 ($150+).

In theory.

A friend of mine got "ARh+", and picked up the last copy in the store, at
cover price.  He later heard that this book has a relatively small print
run, and a whole lot of them have already been bought up, so now when you
see it for sale its price is kind of steadily climbing.  It's no doubt
still less expensive than the big books, but it's become something of a
"collector's item" for the Giger freaks.
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