From: mikeb@tvnews.tv.tek.com (Mike Boyce)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Measure 9 Voter's Pamphlet Argument
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:10:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: tvnews.1992Oct15.121033.1167
Organization: Runciter Associates Inc.

In article <12718@sail.LABS.TEK.COM> charlesw@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Charles Wilson) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.193337.24309@gasco.com> dlc@gasco.com (Darci L. Chapman) writes:
>>And more importantly, what about freedom *from* religion?
>>If you're a practicing Christian or whatever, nothing currently stops you
>>from practicing those beliefs *for yourself*. But I don't think we should
>>necessarily impose those beliefs on everybody else or teach that those
>>are the only correct beliefs.
>>>>-Darci->
>Boy, you sound just as bigoted and hateful as measure 9 supporters.  
>Maybe you should consider drafting your own version of measure 9.  Change
>one or two of the words above and you _have_ measure 9:
>
>And more importantly, what about freedom *from* homosexuality?
>
>If you're a practicing homosexual or whatever, nothing currently stops you
>from practicing those beliefs *for yourself*. But I don't think we should
>necessarily impose those beliefs on everybody else or teach that those
>are the only correct beliefs.
>
>Think about it!!

I did think about it. I was waffleing as how to vote on Measure 9, and
your article made me get out that Voter's Pamphlet and read just what
Measure 9 entailed. Your points are well taken if you completely ignore
Section 41 (3).  I will quote it here:
	"State, regional and local governments and their departments,
	agencies and other entities, including specifically the State
	Department of Higher Education and the public schools, shall
	assist in setting a standard for Oregon's youth that recognizes
	homosexuality, pedophilia, sadism and masochism as abnormal, wrong,
	unnatural, and perverse and these behaviors are to be discouraged
	and avoided."
	(I think they may have left out necrophilia and beastiality!)
Darci was not asking that Christianity be presented to school children
as perverse, wrong, abnormal etc.. Darci instead stated: 
>If you're a practicing Christian or whatever, nothing currently stops you
>from practicing those beliefs *for yourself*. But I don't think we should
>necessarily impose those beliefs on everybody else or teach that those
>are the only correct beliefs.

This is very different from what you imply. But thats how politics works
in the modern world, and is why we all must become more involved with
our government instead of listening to the half truths that our politicians
spew through the TV. Remember, just say know!

I am actually for the first two parts of the measure. I even think they
should expand it to include the nonpromotion of religious and political
interests in government and education. There are many things that government
should stay away from. Education with respect to religion, and politics 
is one of them. I guess sexual orientation should be another.

Also part (4) sounds like the framers think that part (3) may be 
unconstitutional. Probably is.  Thank you Mr. Wilson for causing me
to read the actual initiative.  But now I have to read the whole
pamphlet to discover all the other half truthes. Probably lots of 'em.

Just trying to help,
Mike Boyce 
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