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From: najamil@apgea.army.mil (Nasir A. Jamil <najamil>)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: WHERE SHOULD I START?
Date: 30 Dec 92 12:36:34 GMT
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Organization: APG-Edgewood


I am considering buying a new/used satellite dish to receive some
speciality telecasts from UK. I have been reading this group for
some time and could not make a lot of sense about the jargon used.
Can some kind soul guide me to:
Where to start? 
What kind of dishes are out there? 
What are the basic differences?
Some price-performance information.
Installation - Can it be done with a little pain by anyone or 
some professional help is a must.
Where to look for used systems; what to look for in used system?
Any magazines/books/catalogues to get familiar?
How important is the size of dish vs the quality of the receiver?

If I decide to go for professional, who will you recomend?
How much should I expect to pay for everything for a decent system and
installation. I don't want to be ripped off.

Thank you in advance for any help.

Nasir Jamil.
najamil@cbda.apgea.army.mil
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Subject: Did anyone see the FAQ
From: flash@lopez.marquette.MI.US (Gary Bourgois,Hamshack)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 12:54:24 EST
Organization: Great White North/UPLink

Twice in December I posted the FAQ to rec.video.satellite and news.answers
but have seen neither come back.  I normally use HOMESAT, and I primarily
reply to messages but not originate.  I am concerned that any message I
originate on the net does not get posted, since I see only my REPLY type
messages (Done to the VM1 listserv).  When I originate, I go to r.v.s instead
of VM1.  

I am thinking something is broken here.

as usual we have a severe space shortage.  I don't help matters by trying to
horde the weeks r.v.s postings in my $HOME for transmission on SDTS when some
days we get to a 12 hour expire (I need to whip those users into subscribing
to LESS stuff, we *DO* have Dynafeed.)

Anyone have a large used SCSI drive and need a tax writeoff?  We *ARE* a 501
(c) 3 up here.

And SPACE is OUR final frontier.....

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From: terry.walter@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Terry Walter) 
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: RE: PAY PER VIEW (WAS RE:
Date: 26 Dec 92 00:50:00 GMT
Reply-To: terry.walter@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Terry Walter) 
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that was sportschannel America, which was not allowed in canada,  I
guess I should say, the first PPV NHL game for Canadians.
  
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From: rmutton@alfred.carleton.ca (Ross Mutton)
Subject: Re: It's your BBC World Service - Phone In
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:04:35 GMT

In <9212211456.AA24333@aurw6b.aur.alcatel.com> Mike Gingell <aurs01!aurw6b!gingell@CONCERT.NET> writes:

>John Tusa: "Ahm well, provocativly put, I can assure you that our fingers
>have been waving all round the world in the course of the last 18 months
>when the people who run World Service TV have managed to get agreements
>for the whole of Asia, for a large part of Africa and soon I think for
>Australasia and also we have an agreement with CBC in Canada where we
>provide one of their new networks with some of our news so at least we
>are in the North American Continent...

For those of us in Canada who can receive CBC Newsworld on cable, the
BBC news is transmitted at 10:30, 11:30 and 12:30 pm Eastern,
following The National.  It may even be on after that, but I haven't
been up that late.  I have also seen a 10 minute newscast in the
morning package, around 8:50 I think.  Newsworld is on Anik but it's
scrambled.

Ross Mutton, Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
rmutton@ccs.carleton.ca
From: tim@introl.com (Tim Chase)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: German TV "Deutsche Welle" now in USA
Date: 2 Jan 1993 14:50:16 -0600
Organization: Introl Corp.
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In article <C07yMC.D72@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Richard J. Gaylord <gaylord@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> writes:
>Subject: German TV "Deutsche Welle" now in USA
>From: axgolinski
>Date: 1 Jan 93 22:41:24 GMT
>In article <1993Jan1.224124.1@ualr.edu> , axgolinski@ualr.edu writes:
>>On the 1st of November the German television "Deutsche Welle TV" started
>it's
>>transmission to North and South America.
>>via the new SATCOM C-4
>
>======================
>
>what audio frequency is being used on the C-4 transmssion? it sounds a
>bit off at the usual 6.80 setting on my receiver.
>
>thanks.


Strange, I'm watching it right now and the English audio seems to be on
6.20 wideband.  There's also some German audio at 7.015 narrow and, if
I recall correctly, at least one other audio subcarrier.

I don't hear anything at 6.80.


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From: a74k110@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Peterson)
Subject: Re:      It's your BBC World Service - Phone In
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:10:04 GMT
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In article <9212211456.AA24333@aurw6b.aur.alcatel.com>,         Mike Gingell <aurs01!aurw6b!gingell@CONCERT.NET> writes...
> 
>Jean Mainland (from Japan): "I am wondering why the World Service
>Television programming is so different in Asia, compared with that offerred
>in Europe, particularly drama and light entertainment".
> 
>John Tusa: "Yes, a complicated story which I will try to make short. We
>regard, and you may not like this, the format of the Asian network which
>is typically, 30 mins of News in the 1st half hour and then 30 minutes
>of information programmes in the second half hour, that is really the
>typical format for World Service Television, slighly adapted round the World.
[...stuff deleted...]
>But the most important thing is that we wouldn't want to have drama, 
>comedy etc., on WS TV because we don't think that that is how we can get 
>round the world. We think that news and information is the way to do that.

  What about the story in Satnews a few weeks ago that the BBC was considering
a general entertainment channel for Asia?  If they did do something like that
then it would follow with their philosophy that WSTV should be only news and 
information.  Maybe it would be relatively easier to make the entertainment 
channel restricted to Asia, in terms of distribution rights.  Also, since
the BBC wants WSTV to compete with CNN International, added with the rumour 
that Ted Turner wants to start a worldwide entertainment channel (with 
programming from his other U.S. channels), it would make sense that maybe the
BBC wants to beat Turner to the punch this time around. Anyway, who knows, 
time will tell.


-Chris

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From: mbn@greyskul.hf.intel.com (Mike Northam)
Subject: Re: MTV/VH-1 Dual Illumination
Reply-To: mbn@greyskul.hf.intel.com (Mike Northam)
Organization: Shorter Software Solutions
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:56:43 GMT

>>>>> "adam" == Adam Mottershead <adammot@ltrnativ.UUCP> writes:

adam> Does anybody know if MTV and VH1's feeds will be permanently
adam> dual-illuminated on G3, even though they are now already
adam> broadcastingon C3/C4?

After 30 days of dual illumination (to allow cable systems to retune their
dishes), the Viacom G3 signals (MTV, VH1, Nick, and I believe CC) will be
dropped.  TWC will also be dropping their G3 transmission soon.

By February, you'll see all the main cable networks on C1/C4/G1/C3/G5 and
G3/F2 will become secondary cable birds.  F4 will be going away (back to
Canada, I think).
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 13:35:53 -0400
From:         "Ed Bailey, Systems Group, X1-7560" <BAILEY@NIEHS.BITNET>
Subject: Re: I Claim the record -(now, where is it cold?)

"Bill Jones <wejones@CBDA7.APGEA.ARM"
Date: 28 Dec 1992 06:12:53 -0500 (EST)

>  Just to keep part of this post related to sats, does anyone know of
>any TDM digital signals up there on SCPC?  I think the hidden signals
>book says that there used to be some, but I wasn't sure if they were
>still there.  I just got my multimode data box (pk232) upgraded to
>do some new thngs which includes TDM, and was wondering if there was
>anything to monitor on sat in this mode.

"multimode data box (pk232)"???  Wazzat?  Enquiring minds want to know!

Ed_who_spent_hours_last_night_listening_to_digital_stuff_on_satellites!
(and was trying to figure out how to interpret them, too!)

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From: neal@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jerry Neal)
Subject: Re: KGAY
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:12:50 GMT

Bob Wier <rrw@SUNSET.CSE.NAU.EDU> writes:

> In any case, we were originally WAVE (the school logo...) but were
> informed even though we wern't really licensed, we couldn't use
> WAVE because there actually WAS a WAVE (I forget where). 

WAVE, Channel 3, Louisville KY.

(I get them on skip sometimes up here in Illinois.  ;-)


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From: boone@a.cs.okstate.edu (Barry E. Boone)
Subject: Which magazine is the best? 
Organization: Oklahoma State University
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 01:32:39 GMT

I am fairly new to satellite dishes, and we got a subscription to Orbit
magazine when we got our dish... subscription time will be rolling around
soon, and I am wondering if you satellite folks can tell me which magazines
(magazines which list satellite programming) you thing are the best.

Thanks a lot.

Barry
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 10:46:06 MST
From:         "Darwin L. Mecham W-7211 BD9A/752"
              <mecham@VANDAL.EBR.ANLW.ANL.GOV>
Subject: Re: South Scanner Satellite Services Chart vol 2 num 1 (LONG) 1/4

Thanks - Darwin Mecham / stuck in the Snow in Idaho
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From: roberts@triton.unm.edu (Robert Smathers)
Subject: Re: The use of abbreviations for Sat. names/tp. in Europe/USA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 21:48:26 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <199212291440.AA24644@castor.lu.erisoft.se> Roger.Wennstrom@LU.ERISOFT.SE writes:
>I have been wondering about the use of 'short names' ( for example K1-1 or
>G2-1 ) for satellites seen from the US. horizon. In Europe we don't seem to
>
>Could maybe someone inform me how this naming of satellites is done. Who
>decides what short name a satellite is given ?

Noone really decides a short name for the satellite.  Others, myself included,
usually see satellite names on ID slates or in publications and just start
using them.  That is how I use abbreviations such as G7 for Galaxy 7, etc.
I think usage and familiarity decides what the abbreviation for a satellite
is.

Robert
roberts@triton.unm.edu

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From: Stuart A Kingsley <skingsle@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:32:49 GMT

If you saw Paramount's first feed of ST:DS9 last night I think you will
agree with me that Paramount has another winner.  Two hours of DS9 left
me drained - reminding me of my student days when the original Star Trek series
first aired.

How many weeks will it take to get "comfortable" with the characters?

I am off to L.A. in a couple of weeks for my Optical SETI conference.
While I am there, I am going to see if I can get a tour of the Paramount
Star Trek sets.

The "Kingsley Paradox" is "Why communicate when you can travel?".  I am
prepared to keep an open mind about SETI, but would hope that in time
mankind will find a way to "wizz around the galaxy".

Happy New Year


Stuart Kingsley
From: msiskin@css.itd.umich.edu (Marc Siskin)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: Satellite services update
Date: 29 Dec 1992 04:23:05 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Language Resource Center
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In article <9hnr75f@lynx.unm.edu> roberts@triton.unm.edu (Robert Smathers) write
s:
>
>I just thought I'd get you all up to speed on the S1 services since
>S1 is going dark  on Jan 7.
>
>SCOLA has not announced a new location that I am aware of (but,
>then I haven't been watching SCOLA between newscasts to see if they
>have a slate with their new location).
>
SCOLA will be on ASC 1 Xponder 15 (From memory since I am not at my office
and won't be until the 5th).  Their expected cutover will be on the 31st
sometime during the day.

Marc Siskin, Senior Media Designer and SCOLA Board Member
msiskin@css.itd.umich.edu
msiskin@umich.edu
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Subject: Re: inmarsat info wanted 
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In article <9212280946.aa16625@cbda7.apgea.army.mil> wejones@CBDA7.APGEA.ARMY.MIL writes:

>As of last May, according to the NASA Geosynchronous list, there was only
>one inmarsat, at 15.5 deg W, ie not too useful from the west coast.  It

Is this ftp-able?
Darren

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From: phil@phunt.MV.COM (Phil Hunt)
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Subject: Why is EVERYTHING good in the Western sats!
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 09:45:26 EST
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Why are they putting everything good onto westernmost satellites?

Isn't that discriminatory against the East coast?

Shouldn't they be putting stuff in the arc around where T301 or T302 is
so everyone can pick it all up?

I just found out alot of services are moving to C1(F1) at 137 degrees!!!!!
Luckily, I can get down to the new C4, but C1 is in the trees.  I can barely
get picture, unless it is real cold outside.  BUMMER!

Noone (or mostly noone) in the east can get that!  It is only 4 degrees above
the horizon!!!   

Phil

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From: hew@Turing.ORG (Harold E. Wheaton (N6WUX))
Subject: Re: Trucker TV to scramble?
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:53:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.132201.20194@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> jay@ecsvax.uncecs.edu
 (Jay Novello) writes:
>I noticed in Satellite TV week that Trucker TV (SBS5-12) is going to
>"remain in the clear for two more months".
>Anybody hear anything further?  This was surprising to me since they've
>run promos that say "you truckers can see Trucker TV at home if you have
>a satellite dish", then going on to give the info.

Hmm...that definitely does seem strange.  Either scrambling or compression
would make costs (to truckstops) very high and I can't conceive how individual
viewers could eat into revenues.

It is possible though that the magazine means that ATTN has 2 more months of
funds for the channel at the very minimum.

Of course I'll be the most surprised guy if I see that B-MAC pattern on there!
						-Harold

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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:03:40 MST
From:         Bob Wier <rrw@SUNSET.CSE.NAU.EDU>
Subject:      Snow

As I live about 18 miles from Telluride (that's my home, not Arizona
where I work) we have a fairly severe snow load problem (Ouray County
in fact has the heaviest snow load requirements for roofs in the entire
state of Colorado - more even than Aspen or Telluride) We average about
180" per year but it varies around quite a bit - one winter we only had
70" but the winter of 84-85 we had about 300".  Anyway, I have a mesh
8' dish, and tend to crank it up pretty well vert if I'm expecting a
heavy snow - we tend not to get a lot of wind.

That's one kind of nice thing about a Horizon to Horizon mount - in snow
areas you can set the limit switch WAYYY over - to cut out just before
the rim of the dish hits the pole.  That way it can be used as a snow
dump feature - when it starts to build up, just crank it over and dump
it out.  This works best on new snow - once it starts to melt and
solidify it's much harder.  Another option is to put a cover over
the dish - but I've never used that.  I've also heard of some people
putting "Heat tape" on the back of their dishes and around the arms/
mounts, but I've not done that, either.

I do get definite attenuation during heavy snows, though.  In fact,
at nighttime I can kind of tell how heavy it's coming down by how weak
the signals are without even looking out the window :-)

- Bob Wier

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From: system@howtek.MV.COM (System Administrator)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: Why is EVERYTHING good in the Western sats!
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:40:00 GMT
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In article <1992Dec23.194445.17061@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> (rec.video.satellite), jay@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jay Novello) writes:
] phil@phunt.MV.COM (Phil Hunt) writes:
] 
] 
] >I just found out alot of services are moving to C1(F1) at 137 degrees!!!!!
] >Luckily, I can get down to the new C4, but C1 is in the trees.  I can barely
] >get picture, unless it is real cold outside.  BUMMER!
] 
] >Noone (or mostly noone) in the east can get that!  It is only 4 degrees above
] >the horizon!!!   
] 
] Poppycock.  Here in Eastern NC I get superb reception not only from C4
] and C1, but also from the SCPC services on C5 @ 139 degrees west.  On
] the other end, I can get a picture out of the Telecom II bird at 5
] degrees west.  THAT's what I call discrimination.  I'd like to see THAT
] programming directly overhead! :)
] 
Hi,

I live 60 miles NORTH of Boston.  And these sats *ARE* close to the horizon!!!
4-7 degrees above it.   Your 'superb' reception is due to 2 things.

1)  You can get these birds at 19 degrees above the horizon (give or take)
2)  You are not shooting through 100 ft pine trees!

] These aren't necessarily flames, I'm just a bit feisty from having to go
] out and do yet another day of Xmas errands....

Please take my responses in the same light.

Phil

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From: araichel@cser.encore.com (Alan Raichel)
Subject: Re: Why is EVERYTHING good in the Western sats!
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:10:50 GMT

phil@phunt.MV.COM (Phil Hunt) writes:

>Why are they putting everything good onto westernmost satellites?

>Isn't that discriminatory against the East coast?

	IMHO, I believe that it is another cable company conspiracy to cut down
on ALL competition!  If they could they probabaly would reduce the power of
the satellites so that 30' or larger dishes are required, but some cable
companies would probabaly complain about the added equipment costs.  :-)

	That is why there is nothing on Ku.  The cable companies don't like
the idea of people putting up 3' dishes and getting better service.  I think
that several years ago, HBO was on Ku, but they stopped that.

	But seriously, the only other case I have heard for moving to the
western satellites is so that they can get customers in Alaska, etc.  But 
I can't figure out why they put EAST COAST feeds on those satellites other
than for the above mentioned reason.

	OBTW, I have the same problem.  I can not recieve anything west of
the satellite that the SCI/FI channel is on because my house is in the way.
:-(  I get great pictures from all the eastern satellites even with my 6'
dish on C band.  Too bad everything is moving to the western ones.

Thanks
alan
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 09:46:41 EST
From:         Bill Jones <wejones@CBDA7.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: Re: inmarsat info wanted

>
> I am looking for  some Inmarsat information:
>
> Specifically I am interested in names and locations of the Inmarsat satellites
> visible from the west coast of the US. I am alo interested in whether anyone
> knows if there are L band beacons on them and if so the frequencies these
> beacons may be found.
>
As of last May, according to the NASA Geosynchronous list, there was only
one inmarsat, at 15.5 deg W, ie not too useful from the west coast.  It
is possible that there others that are not named Inmarsat, and there were
a few un-named sats on the list.
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