From: czl30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: THE MIND OF THE BIBLE BELIEVER
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:44:30 GMT
Reply-To: czl30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Distribution: world,public
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Dec29.163307.21853@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes:
>
>Jeff West (jwest@wisc) writes:
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>:  I just love these kind of rationalizations.  NOT!  Your a real piece
>:  of work John.  I have nothing against what you believe. Faith or lack
>:  thereof in religion and god is a personal thing.  But your above
>:  statement shows an * Incredible * lack of compassion and humanity!!!
>:  The statement that finally pushed me over the edge of considering
>:  myself a Christian anymore was after watching a beautiful 4 year old
>:  little girl go through the terrible torture of chemotherapy for cancer.
>:  After a long fight and spending most of her life knowing nothing but
>:  fear and pain people actually had (have) the gaul to say;
>:  "It was god's will."
>:  If this is your god and his idea of; "giving us something that's good
>:  for us in the long run."  Then you can KEEP him and all of your assinine
>:  beliefs!
>:
>:  Jeff "you really hit my hot button" West
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>It grieves me to hear this kind of discussion.  God gets accused of
>things that are really not his to begin with.  Both Christians and
>non-Christians alike attribute the pain and suffering in the world
>to God.   This is not true.

You have no idea what an atheist is, do you? Atheists do not accuse "God"
of anything, because "God" is a figment of your imagination.

Atheists do not attribute anything at all to the christian god because
they have no reason to believe it exists other than in the mind of
christians. Other non-christians might attribute things to their own gods,
but I can't see (for example) a Confucian attributing anything to the
christian god.

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>   I'll state my point first then back it up.  The point is this.  
>Ultimately, we as humans have chosen death over life.  We had preferred
>cancer and old age a long time ago.   The four year old girl gets what
>she has inherited from the beginnings of humanity.  Death.  Suffering. 
>It is sad.  Truly a pity.  But guess what?  God didn't create it that way. 
>He originally created us to live forever.  God doesn't dole out cancer
>to 4-year olds.  Such is a sad and major consequence of what we as
>humans chose for ourselves a long long time ago.  

What is sad and truly a pity, is that people believe can believe the kind
of crap you have just written. Thankfully other people are trying to find
ways to prevent or cure this kind of cancer.

>
>   Do you remember that in the Bible, we humans chose to gain access
>to the knowledge of good and evil at the price of our lives.   Despite God's
>ample and clear warning. we chose to eat from that infamous fruit.  It
>reaped death for Adam and Eve then.  It reaps death for us now.  We,
>through some sort of spiritual genetics, inherited death from the
>originators.  Due to Adam and Eve, humanity had changed ever after. 
>We now die.  80 year olds die. 4 year olds die.  There are old age, cancer,
>sickness, war, starvation.  All this stuff happens now.  But remember,
>this is not the way God created it to begin with.   God's will then is 
>still his will now.  For all to come to Him and have everlasting life.  

I don't know how much of this crap is in the bible, and how much is your
own interpretation. But why should we believe any of it? Even if it is
all in the bible?

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  <biblibal quotation and selective interpretation deleted>
>

Why does a certain kind of religious believer think that he can convince
an atheist just by selective quoting and interpreting from the bible?

Please explain to us why we should believe the bible rather than the koran
or the vedas, and why we should believe in the christian god instead of
Allah or Krishna or Zeus or Osiris or Odin or any of the others?

I don't believe in any of these. That's why I am an atheist.

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>With sincerity,
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>
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>Brian Ceccarelli
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>brian@gamma1.lpl.arizona.edu

Do born again fundies think that they were atheists before they were born
again, instead of mainstream christians?

Chris Lee