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From: johnmac@reg.triumf.ca (JOHNMAC*DOUGALL TRIUMF OPERATIONS)
Subject: Re: SPD pedal/cleats - why not Look?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:48:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.221709.3062@keps.kodak.com>, pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela
 Blalock) writes...
>In article <1992Mar30.162701.3192@viusys.uucp> gilesm@viusys.uucp (Giles 
>Morris) writes:>>On this subject (sort of)...
>>
>>Does anyone have experience with Look cleated shoes that have recessed cleats?
>>I would like to have shoes suitable for use while touring that would let me
>>use Look pedals but allow walking to be no harder than with normal touring
>>shoes, but haven't found any yet which are not fatally flawed. 
> 
>I have a pair of Avia's (I think it's model 50) that I am very happy 
>with, so happy that I own two pairs - one is a size larger for winter
>riding with heavy socks. These have a good stiff sole, yet are perfectly
>comfortable for walking around. And the cleat is adjustable. They also
>take *old-fashioned* slotted cleats too. Bike Nashbar carries them 
>and has them on sale right now for ~$60. 
>-- 
>Pamela Blalock                                     pamela@keps.kodak.com
>Kodak Electronic Printing Systems, Inc             3 down, 9 to go!
>164 Lexington Road, Billerica, MA 01821-3984       
> 

Speaking of SPD's and Avia shoes... I just made an adapter plate for mounting
SPD cleats to my Look compatible Avia touring shoes.  I used a triangular
stainless steel plate with slots cut for the SPD cleats which gives me the same
amount of adjustment as a Shimano compatible shoe.  It works but I'm having 
trouble clicking into the pedals.  Is this normal for new SPD riders or is my
steel mounting plate contributing to the problem?  

John "who needs Shimano shoes" MacDougall. 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: DAN.BLOOM@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Dan Bloom")
Subject: N Calif Touring Book: NEW
Organization: Mail to News Gateway
Date: 08 Apr 92 09:31:16 EST

  A fine new book of bicycle tours in Northern California has just
come out -- and is hereby recommended.  The author is a longtime
touring columnist for _California Bicyclist_.  Included are 44 mapped-
out routes in a variety of areas, terrain, difficulty, and interests.

  "Favorite Pedal Tours of Northern California", by Naomi Bloom, is
available for $12.95, plus $2 shipping [CA residents add sales tax] from:
        Fine Edge Productions, Route 2, Box 303, Bishop, CA  93514
It will also be available at outdoors and bike retailers.
                                                              -- db

 [(   not only are opinions expressed mine and not my bosses',      )]
 [(    but also: the tours are my sister/author's, not mine;  and   )]
 [(    also:  apologies if this posting is a shade commercial;      )]
 [(    this newsgroup still seems to be the right place for it      )]
From: rodney@goldengate.math.orst.edu (Rodney James)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Vegetarian seeks biking shoes
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:53:30 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Oregon State Univ.

I have a pair of Avia shoes (can't remember the model, they're the
blue/yellow/gray ones, one notch down from top of the line) that I like very
much. There's a tag inside that says 100% man made materials.  
--

Rodney James (rodney@math.orst.edu)
From: dreeves@ese3.ese.ogi.edu (Doug Reeves)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Solid State cooling of Water via Steve Roberts
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:46:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.35946
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute - Department of Env. Science and Eng.

I recentally saw the show "bicycle" in PBS and was really interested
in the solid-state cooling system for his drinking water.
Does Steve or anyone else out there have any information on
the efficency, size, and cost of these devices?
I'm just thinking that this would make an interesting project, although
a somewhat silly one.

D. Reeves

--
|B. Douglas Reeves     Oregon Graduate Institute      dreeves@ese3.ese.ogi.edu|
|"The number of equations [in thermodynamics] has been estimated ... as being |
|on the order of 10^11....learning how to do the derivations[is]the easy part;|
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie) writes:

>I'm always amazed by races that unfold this way - letting a rider or group
>of riders get so far out in front. I'm sure it happens more often than we
>hear about, and the number of times the break wins is probably small, but I
>can't imagine what must be going through 188 collective heads, not to
>mention those of the team managers alongside, to allow a strong 4-man group
>so much of a gap. Yeesh.

I would imagine a 188 rider peloton with a thought bubble over each head
saying, "I'm not wasting MY strength with 160 km to go just to chase 
down a few nobodies.  I'll just let someone else chase them down."  Then
the big guns, who really want to, and can, win this race begin chasing
only they underestimated the strength of the 'nobodies' and they started
too late.

-Bud
From: EASTON@SJFEVMX.VNET.IBM.COM ("John Easton")
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Airline charges
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:51:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucbvax.9204071651.AA02999

I'll be flying across country and want to take my MTB.  American
Airlines is my carrier.  They quoted me a transportation price for the
MTB of $45.00, each way.  There's got to be a cheaper way of doing this.
I'd like to have the bike as soon as I arrive.  Any recommendations
(UPS, Greyhound, etc.)?  Prices?



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From: macintyr@mips.uucp (Craig MacIntyre)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Miyata, Bridgestone, Specialized I
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:18:20 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Dept of Mathematics

In article <3420070@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> brillant@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Rodney Brillantes) writes:
>
>Am looking at a Miyata 914, Bridgestone RB-1, Specialized Allez Comp.  The
>Miyata and Specialized Comp come with the Shimano 105SC group, while the
>RB-1 comes with the Ultegra 600, and the RB-1 is a few $$$ more.
>
>If you have any experience/knowledge/input about any of the bikes I would 
>really appreciate your thoughts on them.  This will be my first real road
>bike. Have been commuting on a MTB with slicks about 12 miles each way.
>

The RB-1 comes with a combination of components.  If you get a 91 model
they won't come with those (flame away) stupid bar end shifters.  I 
don't like the Bridgestone mountain bikes but I highly recomend the
RB-1.  Be careful, the tecno gweebs (did I spell this right) will
hate you because it doens't have the tight geometry and trick shit :).
     
-- 
#############################################################################
# Craig MacIntyre		Graduate Student, Mathematics Department    #
#  macintyr@bigmips.tamu.edu             Texas A&M University               #
#############################################################################
From: koren@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Steve Koren)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 23:27:44 GMT
Subject: Re: Just what is significant (was: Equipment questions)
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles


> Just what is significant?  The bicycle is a machine of close tolerances,
> and racing is a sport of even narrower margins.  Several times in recent history

I think one reason why margins are narrow in cycling is that cubic nature
of the power needed to overcome air resistance.  For example, 2 mph may
not sound like much, but I consider someone who rides 2 mph faster than
I do to be a _much_ stronger rider.  When you get into world class range
and you have athletes all around the peak of human potential, this
means things are going to be very close.  Think about the speed difference
between fit recreational riders and world class athletes - its only
a few mph, but this encompasses many levels of competitive elimination. 

There are probably other reasons too.  Psychology might be one.  (If you
know your ITT time is the best, you might slack off a little and still
win.   If you know you are behind, you might try a little harder).

  - steve
From: gemmell@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (Peter Gemmell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Opinions Wanted: Light Saddles
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:48:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rq9trINN48k
Distribution: ba
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: whistle.berkeley.edu
Originator: gemmell@whistle.Berkeley.EDU


I was thinking about spending mega-bucks on a 
new seat for my racing bike and was wondering
if anyone had opinions about the latest
super-light saddles they care to share:

1) The Flite saddle, 190 grams for $60+

2) The San Marco saddle 210 grams for $65+

3) The latest carbon shell Flite, 130 grams for $125+



I'm looking to replace my Avocet Gel saddle;
it's comfortable but is probably about 440 grams!

Thanks,

Pete
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From: kemasa@ipld01.hac.com (Kemasa)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Car vs Cycle vs Bike vs Ped--The Main Point
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:13:19 GMT
Organization: Natural Order Nature Experiments (N.O.N.E.)

In article <180917@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>...
>      Besides, one would bet that the obedience is more due to
>      visibility.  Biker's CAN'T speed...and cars are a bit more
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>      conspicuous cruising down the wrong side of the road.

Welcome to reality. Bikers CAN speed, all it takes is a hill. A friend
of mine got a speeding ticket on a bike, he also ran a stop sign, but
that was because he was speeding (yes, it was stupid and dangerous).
At the time he was a minor, so off to court he went. The judge suspended
his DRIVER'S license for 2 months. My friend objected since he was not
driving a car at the time, so the judge changed it to 1 month. I don't
think the judge wanted to admit that it was not known that all of
this happened on a bike.
-- 



						 Kemasa.

The best defense is insanity.

Sierra Club Leader	NRA Life Member		Pro-freedom

e-mail address: kemasa@ipld01.hac.com
From: jv04@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JAMES VOROSMARTI)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cat 4/5 mix is bullshit!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:34:08 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <16925@sophia.inria.fr>, seales@taquilee.inria.fr (Brent Seales) writ
es:
>In article 51601, sl3vx@cc.usu.edu writes about Cat 4/5 racing in the U.S.:
>
>>  The little trinkets that they give us are bullshit, we cannot put them
>>  into our gas tanks.  I don't try to make money at the races I just want
>>  to break even!
>
>And Michael B. Prim writes:
>
>>  If you want to make money, or just break even, then upgrade to Cat 2 and
>>  train hard. Too many beginner riders complain about the prizes. I was
>>  always glad to pay ~$10 to do a nice race - if its not worth the money
>>  don't do it.
>>  ...
>>  No crybabies -  you should be racing for fun.
>
>I agree that there is too much emphasis placed on prize lists for the
>equivalent of Cat 3/4/5 racing.  Why can't competition, fitness, and the
>comeraderie of riding with a group be enough?  A widespread demand for races
>with bigger prize lists might eliminate very interesting and challenging
>courses that could be organized by clubs for almost no cost to the rider.
>
>Brent
>
I would also like to add my vote to brent's.  I would certainly enjoy racing
more if the entry fees were reduced and prizelists eliminated or reduced.  The
type of people that race in  a cat 3 or 4 field for money are not teh type of
people that I want to race with.

All the races that I've ever won (at the
track) have had such astounding payoffs as $7, good enough to treat a few
friends to ice cream, but the entry fees are only $5, something i can afford,
and they'll even let you volunteer to reduce the cost more.  what more could
you want?  All I want is to feel the wind in my hair, see the road moving
beneath my wheels, and eat bugs :-)

ttfn james

-- 
"The fewer the facts, the stronger the opinion" A.H. Glasgow
From: ewk@kraken.micro.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: giant vs trek?
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:39:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Apr13.043919.17956
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis: Under Grad Workstation Lab.

In <1992Apr13.011557.19067@wam.umd.edu> beowulf@wam.umd.edu (eighqmes) writes:

>i looked at a few bikes this weekend, and settled
>down on either the giant Rincon and the trek Antelope.
>any earth-shattering differences anyone could point
>out to me? they're both nice, i'm just looking for
>something to tool around campus with, and the only
>big split between the two seems to be in price (about
>$50 more on the Antelope). 

>please post comments here, or mail to: beowulf@eng.umd.edu

I avoided TREK because everyone here on campus has one!  If you're just
going around campus save yourself a few bucks and go for the Giant.
And you won't have to guess which neon-yellow Trek is yours....

>thanks

>eighmqes
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>beowulf@wam.umd.edu				beowulf@eng.umd.edu
>The difference between sex and death is, death you can do alone and
>nobody laughs at you				       -Woody Allen

-Rick
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Subject: Re: Light Bike Seats
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:15:05 GMT

Although I realize that seat choice is a subjective matter, I'd like to 
get some feedback from people who have used the new seats like Flite, 
Flite Carbon, Titanio, or Turbomatic.  I want to use a light seat on my 
track bike but I'm worried because this nike transmits shocks like crazy 
and there are no smooth velodomes to be had near me.  If people could 
compare these saddles to the current favorites like Rolls, Regal, or 
Turbo perhaps I can make the right choice.  Thanks in advance for any 
replies.

Kentaro (Ken) Nakamichi

k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: bhilden@stelvio.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: BIKENET's gone...
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:18:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: stelvio

In article <1992Apr14.150034.6513@javelin.sim.es.com>, bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer) writes:

> I received e-mail from others complementing my flame, so there were
> others who misunderstood your post.

I am sorry if my posting was misunderstood, I did not intend to put down
the BIKENET.

One of the things that I have found useful when reading articles on the
net is that if I have a particularily strong reaction to a certain
posting, I re-read it very carefully to make sure that I understand
exactly what the poster is trying to say.  I would recommend this
to all persons on the net.

Bruce
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Do clipless pedals hold tenaciously in an accident?
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:15:06 GMT

Dick King writes:

> If you get thrown by something you can't react to [such as a chunk of metal
> suddenly locking your front wheel] will the force release a clipless pedal?

It is my experience that SPD pedals release more easily than cleats and
straps of old.  I have not had any trouble separating from the pedals in
a few dives.  More disconcerting is that on lateral movements like skids
on loose traction or as I recently had on slick pavement, my foot released
while I was standing because such movements invariably cause side forces.
I am not sure that coming out of the pedals is an advantage in a crash.
I can think of scenarios in which the bike on your feet would be preferred.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Car vs Cycle vs Bike vs Ped--The Main Point
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:29:39 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.

In article <iusuiB1w164w@banana.ithaca.ny.us> chucks@banana.ithaca.ny.us (Chuck Schultz) writes:
>stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>
>> In article <1992Apr5.072018.14154@cs.ucla.edu> coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mik
>> >I'm not claiming that, say, bicyclists are better about obeying traffic laws
>> >than drivers.  Though I doubt it, maybe they are worse.  It's irrelevant.  T
>> 
>> Being both an avid driver and bicyclist I would say driver compliance with
>> laws is much higher than bicyclists, I'd say 90% to 25%, especially for basic
>> things like observing stop signs, staying on the correct side of the road,
>> having night lights on the vehicle.  Non-compliance of bicyclist mainly
>> hurts the bicyclist.  They appear in an unexpected place and are hit.  Sad.
>
>One of the biggest problems in city traffic is the law that says
>you must stay as far to the right as possible.  

What law says that? 
I only know that when making a _right_ turn, one is supposed to pull over
as close to the curb as possible to make the turn. (instead of swinging
way out to the left, or staying out left to make the right turn)

It is far better to try to drive down the center of a given lane
as opposed to clinging to the left or the right unless there is
a reason to such as parked cars, obstructions, etc, or if you are
getting ready to make a turn.

>This creates a
>mindset in riders that they have to stay next to the curb, and
>drive around parked cars and other obstructions, such as drains,
>etc.  They would be much safer by asserting their right to a part
>of the _traffic_ lane, and riding in a straight, predictable line. 
>If traffic is slow enough, I even ride in the middle of the lane,
>to make sure I don't get squeezed.  Also, I don't pass cars
>stopped at a stop light.  I stay in line, rather than tick off
>somebody who will soon be behind me.
>
>Chuck Schultz (chucks@banana.ithaca.ny.us)     via:  The Twisted Banana BBS
>PO Box 482    (607-387-3610)                                   607-273-3233
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 16:07:20 EDT
From: <CBC107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject:    55cm Italian frame

I've a 55cm DiVisini race frame made and bought in Italy.  The aero fork and
ttt stem are pantographed.  This SL frame is actually gold plated,originally ca
me with a full C-Record groupo, of that, only the BB and Head come with the fra
me (Italian threaded).  I want $500.00 or best offer. I'll pay the shipping fro
m State College, Pa.
From: rodney@sundance.math.orst.edu (Rodney James)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: 26" wheels: the ultimate criterium size?
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:32:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: sundance.RODNEY.92Apr16113215
	<1992Apr16.150914.26149@news.larc.nasa.gov>
	<1992Apr16.170823.24915@rsg1.er.usgs.gov>
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Oregon State Univ.

In article <1992Apr16.170823.24915@rsg1.er.usgs.gov> junger@rsg1.er.usgs.gov (John Unger) writes:

   Within the last week or so I saw an ad in one of the bicycling rags that
   I subscribe to where someone was riding a MB (Bianchi???, I can't
   remember the builder) specifically made for 700 wheels.  The point of the
   ad was that this guy was winning all sorts of races just becasue his MB
   had 700 wheel size rather than 26".  I wasn't convinced...

I saw the ad and I think the guy in the ad at the Lemurian Classic a couple
weeks ago.  He was on a 700c Bianchi and he wasn't even close to winning
the race...

--

Rodney James (rodney@math.orst.edu)
From: v561whw2@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Kevin P O'Neill)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: measuring stem extension length
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:24:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <sdtCZmG00WBKM8q3sj@andrew.cmu.edu>, ei00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eric P. Ingersoll) writes...
> 
>I want to buy a new, longer stem for my road bike. I tried measuring the
>extension of my current stem so I would know what extension to get, but
>I wasn't sure where I should measure.  I tried a number of different
>measurements and nothing came close to being right on the centimeter. 
>Does anyone know where to measure to determine stem extension length and
>how close to the "advertised" measurement it be?  Thanks in advance for
>your assistance.

	Measure it from center to center.  Which, translated to everyday 
English, means that you should measure it from the center of the quill
bolt to the center of the h-bar clamp.  This is an accurate way to measure it. 	
	If this still isn't clear, take your bike to a shop and ask them to
show you how to measure it.  Of course, if you intend to mail order the stem,
taking it to a shop is a bit unethical, and so then the best way to go is to
measure as suggested above, and take your chance with mail order.  

					Cars generally suck,
						          Kevin


>Eric
>ei00+@andrew.cmu.edu
From: Dave Snyder <davesnyder@igc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:45 PDT
Subject: Re: Commuting on a Bicycle
Nf-ID: #R:rlht0INNn54@agate.berkeley.edu:-339993872:cdp:1449700022:000:52
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!davesnyder    Apr 14 07:45:00 1992


Bike-2-Work Week is May 19-22, for you information.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: Races results: Paris-Roubaix
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:35:52 GMT

Brent Seales (seales@stilton.cs.wisc.edu) writes:

> 		          The Hell of the North
> 			    The Paris-Roubaix
> 			 Sunday, April 12 1992
> 				France

Thanks for the report!


> And in fact, age and experience at the moment are reigning,
> with Jean Francois-Bernard, Sean Kelly, and Gilbert Duclos-Lassalle all 
> over 30 years old.

If I didn't know better I might gain hope from this.


> Greg Lemond won many French friends with his strong control of the chasing
> peloton during the final kilometers of the race.  It is almost certain that
> without his help Duclos could not have held off the chase in the final moments
> of the race.  And Greg is showing that he is in fact "en forme," a force, I 
> hope, that will prove to be unbeatable in Paris in July.

When he's on form he's certainly fun to watch. I hope ESPN gives us some 
good coverage of this on the 24th.


> When faced with the choice of watching or doing, I must do.

Ubetcha.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com