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From: mikec@praxis.co.uk (Michael Chace)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: UEFA DISGRACE: RE: Leeds v Stuttgart
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:04:40 GMT
	<1992Oct8.095531.9341@vax.oxford.ac.uk>
	<1992Oct9.193351.18858@daimi.aau.dk>
	<1992Oct12.120407.9429@vax.oxford.ac.uk>
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>>>>> Regarding Re: UEFA DISGRACE: RE: Leeds v Stuttgart; stuart@vax.oxford.ac.uk said:

stuart> In article <1992Oct9.193351.18858@daimi.aau.dk>, rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
> 
>   You seems to forget a couple of things here:
> 

	Yes, the Leeds/Stuttgart saga was fun but it pales into
	insignificance in the light of the rules for this year's
	Anglo-Italian Cup (English Div 1 vs Italian Serie B).

	Imagine what would have happened if the Leeds Stuttgart
	tie was settled with the toss of a coin! Because that's
	what happened to Bristol Rovers. As there seems to be
	absolutely *NO* media interest what so ever in this
	competition, it makes me wonder what the press would
	have said had Leeds/Stuttgart been settled that way!

	To decide the 8 teams to go through to play 2 home and
	2 away games against Italians, the English Div I sides were split
	into leagues of 3. Each side playing each other *ONCE*,
	one game home, one away.

	West Ham vs Rovers ended 2-2.
	Rovers vs Southend Utd ended 3-0.

	Now, the remaining fixture, Southend Utd vs West Ham was
	the last game. Southend, having been already beaten had
	little to play for: the final result

	Southend 0 West Ham 3.

	So, Rovers and West Ham now have the same goal difference,
	the same goals scored. How does the team to play in Italy
	get selected ? Yep, you guessed, flip a coin.

	At least Leeds and Stuttgart got the chance to play it out
	in the end! Just like Leeds, it was Rovers who had all the
	work to do, we had to score as many as possible against 
	Southend, and once they were beaten, they had nothing to
	play for as Rovers and West Ham had already drawn.

	Nice and fair eh ???

	Mike
	****
	"Goodnight Irene!"
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From: harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh)
Subject: Re: Malaysian semi-pro news
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:14:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.003842.8022@selway.umt.edu> lokes@selway.umt.edu (Lokeswara Rao) writes:
>
> Can anyone give the latest news in Malaysian semi-pro league ?
>
>  Who played in the FA cup final, who are demoted to 2nd. division, who are
>  promoted to the 1st. div. etc.

Singapore and Selangor have been relegated to the 2nd division.
Kedah and Penang have been promoted to the first.

The Cup is now going on with 8 teams in two groups of 4 each. I'm not terribly
familiar with the groupings, but the 8 teams are:

KL, Pahang, Sarawak, Kedah, Penang, Trengganu, N Sembilan and Perak.

I know that Pahang have qualified fot the semis and Penang are definitely out.
Other than that, I only have a vague idea.

I can track down the details if you are *really* interested.

Cheers,
	Harin
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From: chris@scan.genetik.uni-koeln.de (Christian Schetter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Stuttgart - Leeds (result)
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:33:51
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In a poor match Leeds won 2:1 versus Stuttgart and now plays the
Rangers :-) in leg 2 of EC. In the first half first Strachan scored
the 1:0 from about 20 m with an excellent shoot before Golke tied the
game. No team seems to be able to score again. However in minute 76' a
fatal mistake of Stuttgart midfielder Buck offers Shut (sp?) the
chance to score the decisive goal. Only 10.000 spectators in Nou Camp
(capacity 120.000). I hope I can watch Rangers - Leeds!

Regards

Chris
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From: "Christopher S. Allen" <CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Blackburn Rovers News wanted - Roy Wegerle
To: rec-sport-soccer <rec-sport-soccer@cs.utexas.edu>

 >...news of Roy Wegerle

After languishing on the bench for the first part of the season, he got
a start last saturday and scored 2 goals in a 7:1 win. He also scored
a goal in Tuesday's Coca Cola Cup match.

British correspondents may have more detail on this.

Best, Chris

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From: stuart@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: UEFA DISGRACE: RE: Leeds v Stuttgart
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:35:47 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Oct14.202754.28838@daimi.aau.dk>, rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
> stuart@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> 
>>In article <1992Oct9.193351.18858@daimi.aau.dk>, rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
>>> 
>>>   You seems to forget a couple of things here:
>>> 
>>>    o  At the time of the substitution VfB Stuttgart was the
>>>       qualified team.
> 
>>Wrong! There was 8 minutes left. if Leeds had scored they'd have gone through.
> 
> Let me repeat this very slowly: i-f t-h-e r-e-f-e-r-e-e h-a-d c-a-l-l-e-d
> t-h-e g-a-m-e o-f a-t t-h-e t-i-m-e o-f t-h-e s-u-b-s-t-i-t-u-t-i-o-n
> S-t-u-t-t-g-a-r-t w-o-u-l-d h-a-v-e a-d-v-a-n-c-e-d.

Let me repeat this slowly: A GAME OF FOOTBALL LASTS FOR (at least) 90 MINUTES,
NOT 82.

If the ref had called the match off at half time Stuttgart would have gone
through...if the ref had not even played the second leg Stuttgart would have
gone through...if the German bench had learnt to count to 4 Stuttgart would
have gone through...hypotheses abound

> 
> How come you all are so sure that Leeds would have scored another one in the
> remaining 8 minutes?

No-one can be sure but it is, you'll admit, a possibility that if Stuttgart had
not been able to make the substitution Leeds may have slotted it in. As
Cloughie says "It only takes a minute to score a goal".


> -- 
> Jesper Lauridsen       | Liverpool FC - 18xChampions, 5xCup Winner,
> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk  |                4xEC1 and 2xEC3 Winner
>           AGF and Liverpool FC for the 1993 EC2 final

           Might have known.
From: shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Bryan Roy
Date: 7 Oct 1992 01:06:43 -0500
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The most recent edition of Soccer America says that the Ajax managament
instructed Roy to find a new team, that he was finished at Ajax.
WHAT???!!!
I was disappointed by his performance in Sweden this summer, but last
spring in the UEFA cup semifinals (against Genoa) and finals (against
Torino), he was absolutely spectacular.  And even in the friendly against
Real Madrid earlier this year he was impressive.  Could someone tell
me what is going on here!  Is this a personality conflict?  What's
the story?

Thanks,

Ken Shadlen
University of California at Berkeley
shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu
From: tebarth.bln@sni.de (Dominik Tebarth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Glasgow versus German clubs
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:47:54 GMT
Organization: SNE , Berlin, Germany

PKARLIOT%knox.bitnet@UICVM.UIC.EDU writes:

>         Dominik,
>               So, has Arminia been in Bundesliga 3 for the last few years?
> I think that this team was in Bundesliga 1 once, wasn't it?
>               You think that it will take 9 years for Arminia to get to
> Bundesliga 1?  Are you that pessimistic, or is it a joke?
>               By the way, how about Bayern Munchen, huh?
>                                                       Panos Karliotis
>                                                       PKARLIOT@KNOX
Hi Panos, and thank you for your interest into Arminia !
Well, sad but true, i think i am quite realistic not to
expect Arminia back into professional soccer (i.e. BL1 or BL2)
during the next few years. The current team is mediocre
and playing in the amateur league of Westfalia
(there are 10 amateur leagues in Germany forming the
third tier of soccer leagues; the champs of those 10
leagues compete for promotion into BL2 after the end of the
regular season).

The club record since 1970 :

BL1:   70-72,78-79,80-85   
BL2:   72-78,79-80,85-88
AL :   88-

BTW: Current german international Thomas Helmer is a former Arminia 
player.

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From: stigh@edb.tih.no (Stig Husby,o91a)
Subject: Re: Cup final in Norway
Organization: T I H / T I S I P
Posting-Front-End: Winix Conference v 92.05.15  1.20 (running under MS-Windows)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:44:09 GMT


>In article <1992Oct13.121831.2048W@skylark.edb.tih.no>, stigh@edb.tih.no (Stig Husby,o91a) writes:
> > There is no doubt that Norway only has one winning team,
> > yepp you're right :
> > 
> > Rosenborg B.K.
> > 
> > The only team in Norway that really know how to play football.
> > As usual they will win the double this year. 
> > It's a shame that no other teams in norway know how to play
> > football....
> > At 25 oct. they will put an end to the rest of the teams in Norway
> > by winning the Norwegian Cup Final.
>
>This is bullshit.
>There is no reason for being proud of RBK's performances this year.
>With 6-7 players in our successful national team, even Mr Bean would have
>coached RBK to the league championship this year!!
>After a close race with clubs like Molde and Kongsvinger(!!) it now seems like
>RBK will make it.
>RBK's major goal this season was the Euro-cup.What happened?
>Because Rosenborg has a coach that refuses to think defensive thoughts 
>(even away in the Euro-cup!!!) they got the disasterous result 1-5 in Moscow.
>Disasterous results for RBK in Europe have become a tradition the last
>years, despite having very good players.
>For a start: Sack coach Eggen, he has had his best days.
>And the cupfinal: Let's see, let's see......
>
>Steinar 
>
I do suppose you've never seen the EURO-cup game, that was really 
bad luck for Rosenborg. The match home at Lerkendal proved that
they were much better than Dynamo. Just bad luck kept them from
advancing to next round.

It doesn't matter if you win the league by one point or ten points,
you still are the champion!  

BTW, what happened with Molde and Kongsvinger?

Second best is a loss!

  
Concerning the coach Eggen I actually may agree a bit, but that's
no point. It is the PLAYERS that win, not the coach. Anyway
you must admit that Eggen has improved the Rosenborg team a lot during
the time as coach.


Stig Husby!

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From: skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: 1FC Ko"ln v. Celtic (Glasgow variety)
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:55:39 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

chris@scan.genetik.uni-koeln.de (Christian Schetter) writes:

>Is there a difference between Cologne, Koln, Koeln,K"oln, Keulen ...! I am
>living in this town and for convenience and fairness to foreigners I
>use Cologne to ommit the umlaut "o. It is always the same city, so

Bit of non-football history, and linguistics:

The German city which the English and French call 'Cologne' was founded by the
Romans, and called thereafter 'Colonia' (ie 'colony'). Somehow, the French
language acquired a superflous 'g' in front of its 'n' (like in 'Boulogne',
'lasagne' -very French) so the French, and the French-loving English
call the place 'Cologne'.

The Germans, however, lost various letters (careless),and changed
the 'C' to a 'K' to indicate a hard letter, and by the Middle ages
were calling it 'Koeln', where 'oe' is a dipthong, whatever a dipthong is.
German has three dipthongs 'ae', 'oe' and 'ue', but lots of their words are
rather long, so they needed to save paper, so they abbreviated the 'e's
from the dipthongs, and used umlauts instead. (An umlaut is the two little
dots over a letter). So far, so good.

Then the Americans invented the computer, with some help from the Brits.
Being a little bit Imperialist, they thought the rest of the World should
use the same alphabet as them, not knowing about umlauts and things, and
unfortunately, invented a code called 'Ascii', which stands for souped
up paper tape and only has (128 -32) = 96 characters, not nearly nearly
enough for all the umlauts and accents and upside down question marks.

So as the German computers wanted to talk to the other computers in the
world, they adopted various conventions for representing their unusual
characters. The two main ways you see are to put a double quote after the
letter, as in :- Ko"ln , which looks a bit messy, or to go back to the old
representation, or unabreviat, thus :- Koeln, or Muenchen, or .... 
which looks unusual, but not messy, and is what the German railways use on
timetables and tickets.


Ob.footie question 'At about the beginning of "World War I" in about 1915,
the Arsenal FC ('London Arsenal', or 'Arsenal London') finished at
approximately the bottom of Div 1. Several million dead later, in 1919, at the
start of the next season somehow, they were not relegated.
(And can claim that they have never been relegated, to this day).
Anyone know what happened?
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From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: S.F. Blackhawks quit APSL
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:37:01 GMT
Reply-To: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Organization: Ingres, an Ask Company, Alameda CA 94501

The San Francisco Blackhawks have withdrawn from the APSL. Their owner
described the league as "going nowhere". The Blackhawks are now
thinking about playing as an "independent" team playing friendlies against
foreign teams every month, or entering the Mexican League. Seems like the
Blackhawks finally got sick of spending money on a league they thought
was headed towards a dead end.

--
Colin Morris       Ingres, an ASK company       cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

He must be a Communist. After all, his name begins with a "C" and he
did take a short vacation to - horror of horrors - Moscow.
From: ulick@stravinsky.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: European Cup
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:41:31 GMT
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

In article <1992Oct7.121728.13560@praxis.co.uk> colins@praxis.co.uk (Colin Shield) writes:
>With all of the current mess regarding the Leeds Stuttgart business in
>the Eupropean Cup. It seems an ideal time to question the
>whole point of this foreign player ruling. I know why it exists, in
>theory, it's to prevent a club importing loads of the best
>internationals and winning the cup.

The whole point is that teams from Italy and Spain, whoc have had such rules
for their own leagues for years can do better in the European competitions.
Isn't the EC doing anything about these rules?


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From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Holland - Poland
Date: 14 Oct 1992 05:07:49 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <1992Oct13.100936.1064@fwi.uva.nl> bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:
>Here the expected Dutch lineup for the game against Poland tomorrow   
>(= Wednesday) in Rotterdam: 
>
>Menzo            (G)
>R. Koeman        (D)
>Rijkaard         (D)
>Van Aerle        (D)
>Numan            (M)
>Jonk             (M)
>Wouters          (M)
>Winter/Vanenburg (M)
>Bergkamp         (A)
>Van Basten       (A) * Captain
>Van Vossen       (A) 

Even after "n" surgeries and close to 30 years old Ruud Gullit should 
not have been ommitted by the Dutch coach, whoever he is. In any gi-
ven game Ruud knows how to create spaces and opportunities better than
anybody else on this planet. Lucky the national squad able to afford NOT
to use a player like him; or, maybe: foolish?

Cheers!

-- 
Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
Department of Economics

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From: dagn@colargol (Dag-Ole Nervik)
Subject: Re: Cup final in Norway
Organization: Colargol, Trondheim College of Engineering
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 12:43:29 GMT

Remember, just having good individuals isn't enough....
it takes time to put them together to a proper team.
They have on a few occasions showed what they are really capable of
  - remember Start at Lerkendal ? :-) 
Besides, all the negative writings in the press surely must have
done some damage to their concentration, even though they claim
it didn't.

: > 
: > The only team in Norway that really know how to play football.
: 
: But only on national level.....(Remember Dynamo,Mechelen,Samp etc...).

No comments on that one.. :)
(I still believe the breakthrough is about to come, though)

: 
: > As usual they will win the double this year. 
: 
: Well, I remember a certain cupfinal last year with a certain team from
: Trondheim and a certain result.... was it 2-3 :-)

That was even worse than when Liverpool lost to Wimbledon a few years ago..
(We beat them 7-0 this year though :-)

: 
: > It's a shame that no other teams in norway know how to play
: > football....
: 
: I think it's a shame for Norwegian football that Rosenborg is
: supposedly the best team. Apart from their faithful supporters,
: the rest is crap. IMO RBK has the most arrogant coach , the most
: corrupt board and their youth-policy is nonexcisting. All they 
: do is buy as many national players as they can because of all the
: money they generate at Lerkendal, without a thought on bringing up new
: players from their youth squad. BTW do they have a youth squad at all
: (junior team in Norwegian).....:-)  ????

Their youth-policy have traditionally not been very good, I must admit.
But, they're getting better: with Bjoern Hansen in charge they now
are increasing their efforts in getting a better youth squad
(Yes, they DO have one :)
Remember, Bjoern Hansen was in charge of the national youth squad
which became 3rd in EC this summer.......
And: IMHO, when you happen to have the money, what's wrong about
using them ? (You aren't jealous, are you ?) :-)
Nils Arne Eggen has been doing a good job, in MY opinion..

: 
: > At 25 oct. they will put an end to the rest of the teams in Norway
: > by winning the Norwegian Cup Final.
: 
: Well let's hope that Lillestroem give them a good stuffing on the day.
: I normally don't root for them, but on the 25th....I certainly will.

Oh well.... keep on dreaming, pal :)
A little norwegian singing in the end: (if you don't understand it, ignore it)

LILLESTROEM TAR VI AV BANEN, VI TAR POKALEN HJEM -BOM-BOM-BOM
_V_I__S_K_A_L__V_I_N_N_E__F_I_N_A_L_E_N
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ROSENBORG FOR THE DOUBLE: 1971, 1988, 1990..and.. 1 9 9 2 !!
and : LIVERPOOL WILL RISE AGAIN !
and : NORWAY FOR THE WC94 !
Date: Tuesday, 13 Oct 1992 09:39:32 CET
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Ukraina round 8
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)

Round 8 Ukraina
>
Metallist Kh  2-1 Volyn
Dinamo        2-0 Shakther
Tavriya       3-2 Veres
Dnepr         4-1 Metallurg Za
Zarya         2-0 Niva
Kremen        0-0 Karpaty
Chernomorets  1-2 Bukovina
Torpedo Za    0-1 Krivbass
>
--
-- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
 -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
"O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,  ]
 die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder ]
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