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From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Water System
Keywords: pressure pump
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:48:31 GMT

jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington) writes:


>Given the wealth of information on this news group, I am hopeful that I can get
>an answer to somthing that has bothered me ever since I got my new boat.  My
>water pressure pump pumps one stroke every few minutes, all the time.  

....del

>The boat has a Jabsco pump that has the pressure switch built into the pump.  I
>believe the reason the pump cycles one stroke every few minutes is that there is
>an internal chamber in the pump where the pressure switch senses the pressure.

...del

>Does anyone out there know if this is normal, or if there is a problem with my
>pump?  Do you think my theory on what is going on is correct, or is there another
>explanation?  Is there anything I can do (short of throwing the breaker) to make
>it stop?

I have one of those Jabsco  pumps with the integral cutoff too.  Once I get my water 
system tight the pump will not cycle.  So, I suspect you have a small leak somewhere.
One place you can lose pressure and not see water is if the pump itself has leaky
valves.  These things can be a bear to track down.  Most boat builders get pretty
sloppy installing fresh water plumbing so there are usually an excessive number of
connections to check, all in hard to get at places.  

We've rebuilt our pump once.  The rebuild kit is overpriced in my opinion. And it's
kind of a nuisance to rebuild.  I have another pump I got on sale which is going in 
next time that Jabsco gives me any crap. I also don't like the belt drive setup on 
those pumps, it takes up too much room and is just another thing to service.  I don't 
like the noise that pump makes either.  I don't like the amount of ferrous metal in 
those pumps, they tend to rust up pretty good. I guess I just don't like that pump much.

hope this helps, I feel better.

cheers,
gerard
From: macklin@garnet.berkeley.edu (Macklin Burnham)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: WANTED: Boat Auction on West Coast
Date: 4 Jan 1993 16:24:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
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In article <1i7u91INNiou@leela.CS.ORST.EDU> youngqd@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Dean Youngquist) writes:
>I would like to attend a boat auction somewhere on the west coast, may be
>Southern California would be good.  I have heard of some auctions of 
>repossessed boats but always after the auction has taken place.


Check with the harbormaster at any marina near you.Around here
he auctions off about half a dozen boats a year for uppaid slip
fees. Of course, these are abandoned boats but the prices are low,low.
Mack Burnham

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From: rpw@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Ray Wagner)
Subject: Re: Who's planning a cruise? Where and When?
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:19:31 GMT

Speaking of crusing, if anybody has done the Hudson River,
Erie Canal, Great Lakes, Ohio River, Mississipi and Ten-Tom,
I'd like to have a chat. We'd like to do that one, but I
think I might have to carry it from Erie PA to the Ohio...

--ray

-- 
Ray Wagner
                                Computer Science Department
     rpw@cs.virginia.edu         University of Virginia
                                  Charlottesville, VA   22903
From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (CHUNGA is dead, long live CHUNGA)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Oil Tanker Grounding
Date: 12 Jan 1993 10:19 EST
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Simply put, this country needs to reduce our dependence on foreign
oil, as has been said many times (but does anyone listen?). I'm sorry, but the
god damn commercial with the 'yuppy' driving his 185 H.P. Camry the long way
home 'unwinding' (I suppose he drives this boat back and forth to work from his
sequestered abode alone every day) is crap. Let's glorify selfishness and greed
(besides, it's not even realistic; wouldn't this guy have a car phone??). I'm
the first to agree about the impracticalities of cutting all oil usage, but
if we're thinking like this, even making a dent is hopeless!



Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
>Here comes a jet ski.
>weuh weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh weuh
From: ebrook@athena.mit.edu (Edward J Brook)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Westsail 32 Query
Date: 8 Jan 93 02:51:54 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


	Thank you to all who replied to my request for opinions of the
Westsail 32 some time ago.  One person asked for a summary of the replies.
I did not receive that many, but the general opinion is that this is a 
strong, perhaps overbuilt, boat that is fairly slow, but very safe, and
extremely, and I gather somewhat legendarily, solid. The design is
definitely for long-distance cruising.  Tastes vary, so some respondents
love this vessel, some respectfully dislike it.  I've learned quite a bit
about the boat in the past few months - anyone who might benefit should
send me some e-mail, I'd be happy to respond.  Thanks again!  
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From: floydb@rpi.edu
Subject: Re: inverter and battery use
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:08:33 GMT

In article <1hsknqINNgoq@NATKINGCOLE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU> bjornson-robert@cs.yale.edu (Robert Bjornson) writes:
>

stuff deleted

>I'd be very interested to hear from anyone who has experience with
>either of these courses or schools, or would recommend some other
>course.  If there's interest, I can summarize the responses.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rob Bjornson
>
>INTERNET: <bjornson@cs.yale.edu>		USMAIL: Robert Bjornson 
>BITNET:   <bjornson@yalecs.bitnet>		Dept. Computer Science
>USENET:   <bjornson@yale.uucp>			Box 2158 Yale Station	

I would be interested in seeing responses posted to the group.

Also, other than a year's worth of sailing experience and a Coast Guard
examination, are they any additional 'captains' license requirements for
uninspected small yachts? 

barry
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Who's planning a cruise? Where and When?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 23:05:06 GMT
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
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In article <j_92dv#@rpi.edu> floydb@rpi.edu writes:
>Is anyone planning a cruise/trip for this spring or summer?

I'll probably go to Maine again. That's Woods Hole MA to Camden ME, probably,
although I might decide to participate in the Provincetown to Penobscot
race, whenever it happens.


>Where are you going? What are you doing to get ready? Who is

To get ready, I'm doing all my winter maintenance work carefully. The
list is a mile long.

Four major items: designing and installing refrig. system, installing autohelm
(I got one used for $175), redoing all interior brightwork, and fixing just
about everything expensive in the house water system (new pump, new hot water
heat exchanging tank, new accumulator tank, maybe new faucets in the head,
maybe adding a "dish spray" style hose to the galley sink.)


Fortunately (knock on wood) the sailing systems seem to be in pretty good
shape, so I'm not sweating over those as much...

>going along with you?

Well, if I do the race, it'll be just one other person; possibly my wife
Cynthia, possibly my friend Lunn Sawyer. If I do the whole trip from WH 
to Camden in one shot as in previous years, I'll probably get a crew of 
four or five: me, Cynthia, maybe Lunn, maybe my friend Jeff, maybe one of my
other old friends David or James, although both of them are prone enough to
seasickness that I think they'd probably prefer to meet up with us once we get
to Maine. 

The other thing I'll be doing is cooking and pre-preparing lots of good food
for the trip.


Now a question for others: suppose you are making a 40 hour passage with a crew
of 4 or 5. How do you arrange your watch schedule. What time of day or night do
you choose to depart (if you can choose)? 

-John
From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Oil Tanker Grounding
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:49:15 GMT
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support


In article <1ihsv1INNo0s@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, youngqud@ucs.orst.edu (Dean Youngquist) writes:
>Regarding the recent grounding of a large oil tanker in (I think) the 
>Shetland Islands, how is it possible for a ship to be driven onto the rocks ?
>Was is actually driven into land while using maximum power and while attempting
>to travel directly away from land, into the swells and wind ?

It's easy, as is evident.  The ship was, to coin a phrase, dead in the water. 
The prevailing seas and wind merely pushed it onto the lee shore (now you know
why that is a nasty phrase).

Nobody drove the ship, it was driven by wind and sea.  The crew had already
abandonded ship, without setting an anchor or waiting for a tug.  I hope the
inquest smokes the master.

BTW.  NPR reported this morning that winds were so strong that pastures two
miles inland were being soaked with oil!!!
--
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From: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: New AC Rules
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:42:46 GMT
Reply-To: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Organization: Utah State University

In article <lkk8ofINN59m@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Courington) writes:
|>
|>The crews might strike.  Sailing off the coast of San Diego
|>at night is a maddening business that all too often can be
|>summarized in a single (rather wonderful) word:  slatting.
                                                   ---------

I give.  Whats slatting?
--
Hal Lynch

	US Mail:  Utah State University
	          Office of Computer Services
	          Logan, Utah 84322-4410
	Internet: Hal@cache.declab.usu.edu
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From: zielke@hemlock.nrl.navy.mil (David Zielke)
Subject: A question of adding hatches in foredecks
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory
Distribution: rec
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:47:24 GMT

I am looking at adding a couple of hatches for ventalation in the fordeck
of my CAL 35.  I keep looking at the Lexan hatches from LEWMAR and others
in the 20" square or 16" square range.

The question is this, what of the structural integrity of the foredeck after
adding these hatches.  The fordeck is 3/8" plywood core and is in very good
shape (can see the wood through the clear glass on the back side and looks
just like the new stuff I put up elsewhere.


David Zielke
'Botany Bay'
Cal 35 Hull 006

zielke@fozzie.nrl.navy.mil
From: STU@mwvm.mitre.org
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Question: Sailing in Greece
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:03:45 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102

I sailed for 2 weeks in Greece about 2 years ago, the only hard part was
coming home!  Boat US arranged everything (they even covered the damage
deposit and got me a Greek license [required for chartering]).  The charter
broker was Kavos - the Greek co-operative with Moorings.
 
The boat, a Benatau 32, was very, very old - but excellently maintained.  My
only failure was a water pump (fresh water).  They offered to repair it if
I brought the boat to one of their stations - but I was 100++ miles from their
expected charter route and didn't mind manually pumping fresh water.
 
I picked up the boat in Kalamaki (pardon the spelling), and took the clockwise
route to Mykonon/Delos (don't miss it), via Kia and about 10 other islands.
 
Suggestins:
 
Take your own charts.  The charter agent provided an excellent set of charts
and briefing for their area - but we sailed about 250 miles in 2 weeks and
went far beyond what they intended.  Since Greeks are sailors by nature, they
didn't mind at all that I brought charts and told them I was off for some
long sailing.
 
By only limited provisions in Kalamaki.  Each island has excellent,
expensive provisions available (if you want to eat like a Greek king - rather
than a rich American).  Food is very inexpensive ($7/person/day) and is
extremely good if you learn a smattering of Greek and walk to one of the
local places.  Everyone eats out in the Greek islands - so the locals can
tell you where to eat.
 
Know how to navigate:  Distances are larger than the VIs, for example, but
there are nearly no places you will be out of sight of land for very long.
 
Expect high winds - dress warmly.  We spend 1 day in wet suits, 45k breeze,
and went 65 miles - the best sail of the trip.  But, for the unprepared, it
is frightening.
 
Take me with you - I'd love to go again!!!
 
Have a good time!  BTW, Greek charts are available from any good chandelery -
the British charts are the best, IMHO, because they are in English.  Charts
in Greek have a problem - everyone spells the islands a different way so you
will have some problem relating the names on the charts to the guidebooks.
 
Take guidebooks with you.  There is so much to see, that you should pre-read
about your primary, alternate and backup islands before you go.
 
Enjoy.  /Stu Bell
From: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: New AC Rules
Date: 10 Jan 93 23:42:29 GMT
Reply-To: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Organization: S&R Software, Incorporated

In article <1ikbi8INN2uo@male.EBay.Sun.COM> jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>That sure does sound bad Richard.  I never knew people went sailing when it 
>is cold enought to freeze to the boat.  Gives a whold new meaning to "frostbiting".
>Anyway, I am afraid you have gone and done it now.  I can see a 
>whole barrage of "worst experiences in sailboats" coming.  OK, lets 
>hear the stories of the locust attacks, baby deliveries, 
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and obnoxious crew.  :-)
>

OK. Summer before last, I guess it was July, it was dead calm like
it gets on the Chesapeake. I was motoring north along the eastern
shore to the Sassafras River with the main up, and got attacked
by multiple waves of Japanese beetles, huge swarms of 'em at a time.
I guess they were mating; they'd land on deck, on the main, everywhere
and secrete this brown goop, their pheremone I suppose. They only way 
to get rid of them was to pick each one up individually and throw it 
overboard, which took about 30 minutes per each assault. Throwing
them into the air didn't work; they'd take flight and land back
aboard; had to hurl them into the water.

Finally, I had to run away toward the west. The things actually chased 
me. I guess they can't mate while airborne. I was finding them aboard 
for weeks afterward hidden away in the nooks and crannies. 

You asked for it...

bobp@sandr.com
Bob Parkinson
Alberg 30 #453 'Thaedra'
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From: kell@mprgate.mpr.ca (Dave Kell)
Subject: Re: New AC Rules
Reply-To: kell@mprgate.mpr.ca (Dave Kell)
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 22:55:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.202539.9503@Happy-Man.com>, josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam) writes:
|> 
|> How about reimposing the requirement that all vessels travel to
|> the race course on their own bottoms?  That would mean a real
|> need for seaworthiness, and focus R&D on innovations more useful
|> to *real* sailboats. :-)

Unfortunately, that rule causes severe penalties for those who have
to travel further, and permits a local boat to be very un-seaworthy.

dK
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From: timothy@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Timothy John Gale)
Subject: Re: Oil Tanker Grounding
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:11:13 GMT

I have two questions.

1. What do you think can be done about tankers to make them 
   less-prone to spills?

2. Although oil spills are horribly messy, and some living things
   meet a premature demise, are they really all that bad?

In regard to the first, how about the following suggestions...
  - insist they have a decent sea-anchor, so their drift can be slowed
  - design them differently, so they can be `sailed' downwind
  - make them submergeable, so they can avoid deadly weather!

Tim Gale
Hobart
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From: zielke@hemlock.nrl.navy.mil (David Zielke)
Subject: Re: Oil Tanker Grounding
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory
	<1is3suINNiu2@calvin.NYU.EDU> <1993Jan12.112316.8651@lut.ac.uk>
	<thompson.726859374@kiyotaki.econ.umn.edu>
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:55:32 GMT

From something I heard on the radio, the use of the cargo crude oil for
power is illegal by some international regulation of some kind.  Sorry that
I don't remember the details.

David
From: wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker)
Subject: Re: Downside of sailboat sitting on bottom??
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:54:28 GMT

In article <11624@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>, nall@ibm12.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall)
wrote:
> 
> With the help of some good advice from different people of
> this newsgroup, I'm very close, now, to being ready to purchase
> the boat I want.   Looks like the type which will best fit the
> bill (with regard to availability, price, space, etc.) will be
> a 22 or 23 foot boat with either a centerboard or a swing keel.
> 
> The one potential problem that I'm still mulling over, however, is
> the extremely shallow water that I'm going to have to keep it in.
> In order to avoid $100 a month slip fees, I'm going to keep it tied
> to a floating dock in a small canal (which gives me access to the
> Gulf of Mexico).  Or else use a trailer, which I would rather not
> do.  My experiences with trailers (power boats) have been unpleasant.
> 
> The water in my little canal gets very shallow at low tide, and without
> any doubt whatsoever the boat is going to be sitting on the bottom
> a lot of the time.  Any real downside to this??   The motor will be
> an outboard, which I'll either raise or remove, so there should not
> be a problem with that.  Obviously I need to ensure that there are
> not devices such as transducers, etc., which may be damaged.  And the 
> design has to be such that it will sit square on the bottom, rather
> than rolling to one side or the other.  The bottom is dark sand, and
> seems to be firm but not hard.
> 
> Before I make the final plunge, does anyone have any thoughts on this?
> Any advice appreciated, especially from those who have actual experience
> with keeping boats in very shallow water.  (But theory appreciated, too).
> -- 
> John W. Nall              | Supercomputer Computations Research Institute
> nall@mailer.scri.fsu.edu  | Florida State University, Tallahassee, Florida
>   "Why yes, as a matter of fact, I DID vote for Hillary!!" - me

It sounds like what you really need is a boat with bilge keels (two short
keels).  This type of boat can sit on the bottom without the embarrasment
of falling over on its sides and smashing its rigging on the dock.  The
December issue of Cruising World had an article about a boat of this type. 
The downside is that these boats are pretty rare, especially in the U.S. 
I'm no sailboat expert.  Does anybody out there know of any bilge keel
boats in the U.S.?  The one in the article was a British Caprice class
sloop of only 18 feet.

----------
Bill Walker - WWalker@qualcomm.com - QUALCOMM, Inc., San Diego, CA
All opinions expressed are mine, and do not reflect those of my employer.
"First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare
From: ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:13:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Oil Tanker Grounding
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.boats

> 
>  The primary thing that has been talked about repeatedly is a requirement for
>  double hulls, though that may have not done much good in the Shetland 
>  disaster.

Someone said on TV a couple of nights ago that double hulled tankers have
problems too.  I think the argument was that in a collision you may get
explosive vapours in the gap and that would cause worse problems.

Say a double hulled ship collided with another ship.  The first skin may well
protect the tanks but what would happen to it with vast amounts of water
sloshing around the gap?

I prefer the idea of a tanker watch and safety features like multiple engines
etc. 

Brenda Romans
From: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Courington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Celestial vs. GPS (was Re: Bermuda Tri
Date: 4 Jan 1993 23:03:42 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sextant

In article 1hsbvmINNok@cat.cis.Brown.EDU, jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
> It's worth noting that foul weather provides a significant failure mode
> for electronic methods as well. Lightning is tough on microelectronics,
> and rough weather is hard on all systems in general. It seems to me
> that Murphy promises that you'll have your alternator die in the middle
> of the storm, rather than at your mooring...

You bet.  But you can have a second, independently powered
and "waterproof" (i.e. portable) GPS aboard.  And whereas a
backup sextant won't do you any good in bad weather (when
one sextant goes down, they all go down), a backup GPS
might.   

BILL



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From: harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: New AC Rules
Organization: Telecom Research Labs. Melbourne, Vic, Australia
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:34:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.232515.14372@leland.Stanford.EDU> stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) writes:
>
>The best thing that could happen to the AC is to have the races sailed 
>in Sydney or San Francisco or Hawaii or ANYWHERE where the wind actually 
>blows.

I agree here, but Sydney is not such a great choice.  The harbour winds
are very fickle, it doesn't blow much most of the time, and it is
very crowded.  This leaves too much to chance or local knowledge (does
anyone remember Dennis Connor running aground there a few years ago,
despite having Sydney sailor Hugh Treharne on board).  If it were to be
held there, it should be outside the harbour.  Fremantle, Melbourne,
Adelaide or even up in Queensland would be preferable.  I prefer
Fremantle, you are virtually guaranteed to get wind every afternoon as
the strong sea breeze moves in.  Makes great viewing.

--
Dave Harsant,
Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au
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