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From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Seyreyleyin gumburtuyu
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:23:41 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <30770@castle.ed.ac.uk> emev02@castle.ed.ac.uk (H Oral) writes:
>In article <C1DBy0.M8L@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut) writes:
>
>>Bir insan dusunun, din gozunu o kadar karartmis ki, cumhuriyetin 
>>yasalarini bile din saniyor.
>
>Dinin anlami her ne kadar size ilkokulda degisik ogretilmis olsa
>bile, bu dinin asil anlamini degistirmez. Dinin ne oldugunu 
>ancak Kur'ani Kerim'de kullanilis biciminden ve arapca anlamindan
>bulabiliriz ki bunu Islam ulemasi "a way of life" diye
>ceviriyorlar.  

Belli ki size de Kuran kursunda cok iyi ogretmisler

Siz Islam'la kafayi yemissiniz.
-- 
Emre Erkut                                      You can murder people 
Krannert, Purdue                                but you can never 
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       murder ideas. 
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From: an7380@anon.penet.fi
Subject: KUFUR YAZILARINI ONLEYELIM
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.turkish
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:15:21 GMT


       
       Su anonymous servisi cikaran dangalagi bulursam once 
       agzina iki tane gecirecem. Onun yuzunden Vatansever
       turkgenci adiyla yazan Hakkiya bu kadar acikca kufur
       eden tipler turedi. Dangalak herif bu isin sonu ne olacak
       istesem bende, yada Hakki da yada Metede bu sekilde kullanir
       sana ayni kufurleri eder. 
       
       Kisiliksiz herif boyle bir servsi bulunca sakli olan 
       kisiligin mi ortaya cikdi. Bu servsi sikayet etmenin
       bir yolunu bilen var mi. Yada SCT ilgilileri SCT e 
       anonymous serviceden pastu onluyecek bir sey yokmu
       yoksa daha cok kerhane muhabetlri ve kufur okuruz.
       Lutfen beyler su SCT'in icine etmeyelim. Son care
       bu serviceden buraya postu onleyelim.
       
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Subject: Seriat Istrukk !
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 29 Jan 93 16:03:27 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Ataturk ilkeleri uzerine kurulu Cumhuriyet Yasalarindan olusan
seriat isteruukk ! :-)
Seriatin kestigi parmak acimaz...
Cumhuriyet Yasalarinin kestigi bas dusmez ...
Cumhuriyet Yasalarindan olusan Seriat Isteruukkkk !
Seriat Isteruuuukkk !!!
:->
|-| /-\ |-< |-< |||

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
From: H99LG@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Islama Kalkan Eller Kirilacaktir!
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:53:10 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

test test ignore....!
From: mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu)
Subject: Re: Ugur Mumcu'nun oldurulmesi ve dusunceler
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Rochester
Date: 24 Jan 93 14:33:13

In article <Jan24.182828.28353@meng.emory.edu> mario@meng.emory.edu (** maestro **) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>   80 darbesi sola karsi yapilmisti, yeni olasi darbe
>   dinci barbarlara karsi yapilabilir ve ben
>   boyle bir darbeyi destekliyorum.

Lufen agzinizdan cikani kulaginiz duysun.  Utanilacak laflar bunlar.

>   Maestro Can

BM
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From: an7787@anon.penet.fi
Subject: fortune
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.turkish
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:26:42 GMT

Arkadaslar yarin bircok luzumsuz fortune okumak zorunda kalicaksiniz.Bunun
icin sizden ozur dilerim.Fakat bu herhalde gurubumuz icin daha hayirli olur.
boylece belki bizim guruba anonim mesaj gelmesi durur.Evet belki Hakki Kocabas
Ataturke laf etmekle dogru birsey yapmiyor ama bu onun soyle boyle oldugunuda
gostermez.Ayrica bazi kisiler yaptiklari gizli kalsin diye tanidiklari baska
kisilerin isimlerini kullanarak ozur mektuplari yaziyormus.(Bu bir soylenti ama
eyer dogruysa cok daha ayip bir sey
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From: wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Armenian IRC Meeting!
Date: 28 Jan 93 20:00:51 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


>> Parev gam Barev!
>> 
>> There will be a meeting on IRC this
>> wednesday, 1/13/93 at 7p.m. Pacific
>> time (west coast time) on channel
>> #Hayastan.
>> 
>> Looking forward to seeing you there.
>> 
>> H. Minassian


>        This is Soc.Culture.Turkish; definitely NOT Soc.Culture.Armenian.
>        Go establish your own net to advertise meetings to make up anti
>        Turkish hate propaganda.


   
   Enis, Turkey may just be for the Turks, as your propagandist
   teams have proven on innumerable occasion, but no one mandated
   that soc.culture.turkish is to be exclusive domain of Turks
   and Azeris.  In other words, shut up!


-- Eduard
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: kaya@me.unda.edu (Kaya T. Guralp)
Subject: RE: HIRSIZ CUMHURBASKANI OZAL CHICAGO'DA
Organization: University of Dakota, School of Engineering
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:15:32 GMT

*> From: d91-muk@nada.kth.se (Murat Kayihan)
*> Subject: Re: HIRSIZ CUMHURBASKANI OZAL CHICAGO'DA!
*>
*>  BILMEDIGIN KONULARI KARISTIRMA. OZAL'DAN ONCEKI DEVIRDE TURKIYE'NIN
*> 
*> HALI NASILDI BILIYORMUSUN? FIYATLAR TIRMANIYOR, YOLSUZLUK DOLANDIRICILIK
*>
*> ALMIS BASINI GIDIYOR AMA HIC OLMASADA AKLA GELEN HERSEY SATILIYOR.
*> 
*> ONCEDEN ALACAK YARIM KILO SEKER BILE YOKTU. SIMDI ISE CUVALLA ALINABILIYOR!
*> BILMEDEN OTME!
*>
*> MURAT

Murat,

1980 oncesi seker taban fiyatlari, kac kisinin o"ldu"gu", sanayaginin
bakkal tezgahlari arkasindan, yabanci olmayanlara verilmesi gibi
konular komik olmaya basladi. 1980 oncesi olaylarin gunumuzle
karsilastirilmasi, hele hele Ozal'in bu nedenle savunulmasi cok komik.
1980 oncesi durum Turkiye'nin bir daha yasamak istemedigi anlar ama
o durumdan Ozal'in kurtardigi gibi onermeler buyuk oranda yanlis.

Eminim abisi Korkut Ozal'in petro dolarlara konmasi, Efe Ozal'in
Bilkent'te okurken kirmizi BMW'sini degistirip, yesil 7.35 BMW'ya
binmesi, Davulcu damat'in Jaguar ismarlamasi gibi olaylari
gormemezlikten gelmeyelim. En nihayetinde ayda su anda 20 milyon maas
alan bir devlet memurunun ailesi icin oldukca zengin olduklari goze
carpiyor. Dikkati ceken, bu insanlarin Ozal iktidardayken bir anda
zenginlesmeleri.

Onun disinda, geckince hatunlardan olusan papatya ordusunun bas kumandani
Ko"semra Sultan ve duzenledikleri maskeli/maskesiz/takkeli/takkesiz
balolar. Turk kadinini gelistirmeye calisirken, yedikleri icli/icsiz/hindili/
hindisiz pilavlarla semirip dana gibi olan vakif uyeleri, Kanuni Suleyman'i
pek duzgun ingilizcesiyle kanun yapici yerine ask yapici olarak tanimlayip,
karga burun Pirens Carls'in karisi Lady Di namli Ingiliz dilberi
kendisine gulduren insanlar bunlar.

Aaaahhh ah! Bu gibi insanlarin Turkiye'yi temsil etmeye yuzleri var mi
diye insan dusunuyor.

Bir devlet adami, hic bir zaman kimi temsil ettigini unutmamali ve
ona gore davranmali. Ozal kesinlikle beni temsil etmiyor.

kaya
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: haluk@eedsp.gatech.edu (Haluk Aydinoglu)
Subject: Emre-Ehsanullah tartismasi
Organization: Digital Signal Processing - Ga Tech
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:21:58 GMT

Emre cok ayip etmissin. Tabi Turkiye kafirler tarafindan yonetildigi icin her
tarafimiz genelev dolu.Halbuki bak bu isi Musluman ulkeler nasil hallediyor.
1.Iran:Onlarin cozumu cok kolay muta nikahi yaparlar bir saatligine evlenirler.
Kadina bir saatlik evlilik icin baslik parasi verirler.Boylece genelev sorunu
cozulur.
2.Kuveyt: Onlar'in zenginleri bazen Avrupaya bazen Uzakdogu'ya gider orda islerini
bitirirler.Dahada olmazsa evlerine Filipinli hizmetci getirirler onlarla idare
ederler.Bazende Emir ailesinden bazilari escinsel falan olur.
3.Suudi Arabistan: Onlarda Kuveyt'i ornek alirlar

Simdi bu kadar cozum varken sen kalk genelev ac vergini ver, birde tovbe tovbe
kiz arkadasin falan olsun ne ayip sey. Bir daha oyle seyler deme hem eseklerle
ilgili sozlerin cok ayip sonra Ehsanullah aliniyor. 

-- 
Haluk Aydinoglu
Georgia Tech, School of Electrical Engineering, Atlanta, GA  30332
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From: tokero@bode.eng.ohio-state.edu (Onur Toker)
Subject: HAKKI KOCABAS HAKKINDA OZUR MESAJI !
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:39:34 GMT


	Hakki Kocabas adli sahsa network te anon6147 adi ile yapmis
oldugum hakaret ve kufurler icin kendisinden ozur diliyorum!

	Anon server in kullanim amaclari disinda kullandigim icin de
system manager Julf dan account umu kapatmasini rica ettim. Boylece
anon6147 adli anonim accountu artik kullanmiyacagim.

	Tesekkurler,

	O.Toker



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From: an7793@anon.penet.fi
Subject: No Subject
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.turkish
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:20:02 GMT

Eggheads unite!  You have nothing to lose but your yolks.
		-- Adlai Stevenson
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From: yamen@cae.wisc.edu (Soner Yamen)
Subject: Re: Luzumlu luzumsuz..(was Re: SEHID TURAYLIC'IN...)
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:27:04 CST

In article <1993Jan21.184941.11438@ennews.eas.asu.edu> guncer@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Selim Guncer ) writes:

>................................................ Benim politik yandasim 
>yok..................................................................

Ilginc!.. :-)

take care man!
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From: an7793@anon.penet.fi
Subject: No Subject
Organization: Anonymous contact service
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 13:00:03 GMT

The biggest difference between time and space is that you can't reuse
time.
		-- Merrick Furst
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From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Former Soviet republic to open embassy in Jerusalem (Kyrgyz)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 04:06:39 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

 Former Soviet republic to open embassy in Jerusalem

 20 Jan 93

 JERUSALEM (UPI) -- The former Soviet republic of Kyrgyzstan will open
 an embassy in Jerusalem, the first country to make the disputed capital
 city its chief diplomatic outpost in seven years, its president said
 Wednesday.
 ``Jerusalem should be a united city for Jews, Muslims and Christians,
 '' Kyrgyzstani President Askar Akayev said, announcing the move at a
 news conference with Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Foreign Minister
 Shimon Peres.
     The Israelis, who often chafe at the policy observed by most nations
 to locate their embassy in Tel Aviv, were clearly pleased with the
 announcement by Akayev.
     The diplomatic snub is based on the unsettled status of Jerusalem,
 whose predominently eastern section Israel captured from Jordan in the
 1967 Arab-Israeli war. Thirteen years later, Israel declared the
 entirety of Jerusalem its undivided ``eternal capital.''
     ``I congratulate the president on his decision to establish an
 embassy in Jerusalem. I think it has to be done by all countries,''
 Rabin said. Peres added: ``I'm very happy about this. We're always
 looking for good news.
     They said Israel would soon open an embassy in the Kyrgyzstani
 capital of Bishkek.
     Akayev, the first Muslim head of state to visit Israel in 15 years
 since the late Egyptian President Anwar Sadat's groundbreaking trip,
 held talks with Rabin, Peres and other Israeli political and business
 leaders since he arrived on Tuesday.
     He also made a point of calling for Palestinian independence in
 remarks during a welcoming cermemony outside Israel's parliament, the
 Knesset.
     At least 10 embassies that were based in Jerusalem moved to Tel Aviv
 in 1980 when East Jerusalem was annexed. Costa Rica moved from Tel Aviv
 to Jerusalem in 1981 and El Salvador established its first embassy in
 Jerusalem in 1986, according to Israel's Foreign Ministry.
     Another 10 countries, including the United States, Britain and
 France, maintain consulates in Jerusalem.
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From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: KAYA BUDA NE- CIK AYIP
Date: 26 Jan 93 08:01:54 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <30719@castle.ed.ac.uk> emev02@castle.ed.ac.uk (H Oral) writes:

> Bir zahmet et te nasil Musluman olunurmus ogret hele! :-)


From Idries Shah; Caravan of Dreams:

Sayings of the Prophet:

1.Trust in God but tie your camel first.

2. One hour's teaching is better than a whole night of prayer.

3. Whoever honors the learned, honors me.

4. Who are the learned? Those who put into practice what they know.

5. The ink of the learned is holier than the blood of the martyr.

6. The holy warrior is him who struggles with himself.

7. An hour's contemplation is better than a year's prayer.

8. Good thoughts are a part of worship.



		-------------------------

Here are some more goodies  (from other books--By Idries Shah):

Justice and fairness, not religion or atheism, 
Are needful for the protection of the State.
			Hakim Jami (circa 1400)


The lower classes of society are those who fatten themselves in
life in the name of religion.
			Ibn el-Mubarak


All religions, as theologians--and their opponents--understand the
word, is something other than what it is assumed to be.

Religion is a vehicle. Its expressions, rituals, moral and other
teachings are designed to cause certain elevating effects, at a
certain time, upon certain communities.

Because of the difficulty of maintaining the science of man, religion
was instituted as a means of approaching the truth.  The means always
became, for the shallow, the end; and the vehicle became the idol.

				Alauddin Attar
-- 

	mark	

   hubey@amiga.montclair.edu         hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
   hubey@pilot.njin.net               ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey
From: vd8@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat  Dogan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re:Now,Mr.Ozguven,..
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:22:31 GMT
Organization: Columbia University


 
In article <1993Jan27.035430.8088@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:
>In article <kutluk.728009263@ccl.umist.ac.uk> kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk 
>Ozguven) wrote in repsonse to article <1993Jan22.135607.11375@urartu.sdpa.org> 
>dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) who noted: 
>
>
>[DD] however, I will respond by asking you to translate into English (since you
>[DD] are in England) 
>
>[KO] Should we laugh at this poor and rather primitive joke ? When will
>[KO] your sense of humour  match your lust for unscholarly quotations ?  
>
>This is no joke, especially when the translation of:
>
> 	_Turk Ulusal Kimligi ve Ermeni Kirimi_, by Taner Akcam, 1992, Germany
>
>in English is, _The Turkish Self-Image and the Slaughter of the Armenians_ 
>
>[DD] You see Kutluk, my Turkish is quite poor, but you -- who has the courage 
>[DD] to revise the history of the Armenian people in front of thousands who 
>[DD] read your crap -- should be man enough to translate this simple title into
>[DD] proper English so the rest of us will not get the wrong impression of you!
>
>My Turkish just improved enough to translate what you refer to as:
...
>[KO] I have, I am afraid, no intention to translate some Marxist
>[KO] anti-Turkish documents on a laughable call for macho-fight; if I had 
..
>
>Oh, so the Turkish author, Taner Akcan, is both a Marxist and anti-Turkish! Oh,
>I see. You know such an argument is non-sequitur. 
 
  since 'your turkish just improved' (didn't I tell you that you were
  amazing!!),let's continue in turkish... 
  
  don't worry.. it was just a test..
      
  now, who is mr.taner akcam ?...
 
  This reminds me a name from the years before 1980 :-)..Say, a name from
  revolutionary-path...
 
  It seems to me that this guy had already left the business in revolution  
  and found the new occupations in non-revolutionary field to play with..
  As if all problems of the world's and turkiye's proleteriats had been 
  solved, he begun dealing with 'the 78 years-old unsolved problems' related to
  the nationalistic issues.. what a revolutinary action !!!..
  this might be a part of 'his continuous revolution' :-)...    
  
   what do you think?..
 
   tell us, mr.davidian, who mr.taner akcam is..
   and what makes him a source and an author on this matter...
  
   just curiosity...
 
>
>-- 
>David Davidian <dbd@urartu.sdpa.org>  | "Who, after all, speaks today of the 
>S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies  |  annihilation of the Armenians?" 
>P.O. Box 382761                       |         -Adolf Hitler, August 25, 1939
>Cambridge, MA 02238                   |          from: Nuremberg Document L-3 
 
 
 
 saygilarimla,
 ismet
 
 
                cagdas, laik ve guclu bir turkiye..
From: ega029@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Lami Kaya)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: ARAB JOKES
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:22:20 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

>|From article <93Jan1507301950432@beach.csulb.edu>, by basaran@beach.csulb.edu (Mete):
>|> Q:  What do you call an arab with half a brain?
>|> A:  Gifted!
>|> 
>|> Q:  How do arab braincells die?
>|> A:  Alone.
>|> 
>|> Q:  Why should arabs not be given coffee breaks?
>|> A:  It takes too long to retrain them.
>|> 
>|> Q:  What's the difference between an arab and a computer?
>|> A:  You only have to punch information into a computer once.
>|> 
>|> Q:  What do you call an arab with a dollar on the top of their head?
>|> A:  All you can get under a buck.
>|> 
>|> Q:  Why does Hakki KOCABAS wear red lipstick?
>|> A:  Because red means "Stop, wrong hole."
>|> 
>|> 
>|> I know they're stupid...so sue me.
>|> 
>|> MUB
>|

I condemn this stupid and racist jokes (!!!) in the strongest degree.
It's unfortune to have such people on this network.

Lami
From: guncer@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Selim Guncer )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: UGUR HOCAMIZ...
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:45:56 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ

In article <1993Jan27.215138.7894@news.unomaha.edu> tolga@cwis.unomaha.edu (akin ugur tosyali) writes:
>DAHA YENI YAZILARI OKUDUM.
>VE BENDE IKI KELIME YAZIP BU OLUM KARSISINDA SESSIZ KALANLAR TARAFINDAN
>CIKIYORUM.
>BEN 18 YASINDAYIM VE BU NETTE TARTISMA YAPABILECEK KADAR GENIS 
>GORUSLU OLMADIGIMI BILIYORUM.AMA OKUDUGUM YAZININ NASIL BIRISI
>TARAFINDAN YAZILDIGINI ANLAYABILIYORUM.

18 yasinda olmaniz birsey ifade etmiyor. Akil ne yasta, ne bastadir -
insanliktadir. Insan olmayan nice universite ogrencileri, doktora
sahipleri, profesorler her firsatta kinlerini kusuyor, nefret
ettikleri insanliga olum yagdiriyorsa kendinizi kucuk gormeyin -
tersine bir insan olarak onlardan kat kat ustun ve yetilisiniz.

>ANLAYAMADIGIM SEY,BAZI KENDINI BILMEZ KISILERIN BU OLUMU MUSLUMANLIK
>CATISI ALTINDA SAVUNMAYA CALISMASI.EVET DOGRU MUSLUMANLIGA KALKAN ELLER
>KIRILMALIDIR AMA UGUR MUMCU BOYLE BIRSEY YAPMADI VE BIZDE YAPMIYORUZ.

Muslumanlar ve Islamcilar arasinda son yetmis yillik tarihin
halkimizin bilincine kazidigi ve artik degistirilemez farklar vardir.
Burada kimse Muslumanlara karsi en ufak bir dusunce bile ifade etmis
degil, tersine Islamci denen yobazligin, nefretin, nifakin, terorun
kirli mas,alarina karsi bir tavir sozkonusu. Seriatci sersemler 
disinda kim hangi hakla Turkiye halklarinin dinsel duygularina 
saldirabilmis ki zaten? 

>....
>BSIMIZ SAGOLSUN.
>SAYGILARIMLA,
>
>                                AKIN TOSYALI.
>ADRESIM:tolga@unomaha.edu
>

Selim Guncer

--
Selim E. Guncer               | Jaca negra, luna grande,
CSSER-ASU                     | y aceitunas en mi alforja.
(602)-965-4096                | Aunque sepa los caminos
guncer@enuxha.eas.asu.edu     | yo nunca llegare a Cordoba.. (FGL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: cunal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Cemil Unal)
Subject: Ugur Mumcu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:14:21 GMT


Laik Turkiye'nin yetistirdigi en basarili gazetecilerden biri olan Ugur 
Mumcu'nun 24 Ocak pazar gunu TSI oglen saatlerinde bir cinayete kurban 
edildigini ogrenmis bulunuyorum. Aldigim bilgiye gore cinayet arabasina bomba 
koyularak yapilmis.

Basta Mumcu ailesi olmak uzere tum laik Turk halkina bassagligi dilerim.

Cemil Unal
From: vhast@cislabs.pitt.edu (Veli Hakkoymaz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Ugur Mumcu Icin
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:48:00 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Ugur Mumcu gibi bir gazeteciyi kaybetmek gercekten uzuntu 
verici. Daha gecen hafta bir vesileyle Hurriyet'in diger
gazetelerden iktibas ederek verdigi Ugur Mumcuya ait bir 
yazida "Ulus, millet, din vb" kavramlarla ilgili, ve bir
baskasinda da Marksizm/Sosyalizm ile ilgili yazilarini
okumustum. Eger vaktim olursa ikincisini gelecek haftalarda 
nete aktarmayi umuyorum. Ozet olarak, Sovyetler ve Yugoslavya
dan bahsedip, Sosyalizmin temel ogretisi diye bilinen etnik
dinsel ayriliklarin yokedilmesi hususunda Sosyalizm/Marksizm
hayalden baska birsey degilmis diyordu. Ardindan konuyu
Amerika ve Avrupa ya getiriyor, eger simdi burada sosyalizm
olsaydi gorurdunuz yaygarayi ABD ve Batili basinda diyordu.
ABD'nin Irak olayini sorguluyor, Cekic Guc/Incirlik ussu 
hakkinda tenkid edici sozler soyluyordu. 

Her dusuncesiyle uyusmadigim (ki hic kimseyle her konuda 
uyusamaz insan) fakat bir insan ve gazeteci/yazar olarak
saygi duydugum Ugur Mumcuyu kaybetmis olmamiz onemli bir
kayip. Olayi kinamaktan oteye, dikkatli olalim diyorum.
Katil veya katillere Muslumanlardir deyip yersiz kargasaliklara
meydan vermeyelim. Terorist teroristtir, bunun sagcisi da 
solcusu da irkcisi da komunisti de laikcisi de padisahcisi 
da yaptigi is terorizm ise teroristtir, Ugur Mumcu'nun 
deyimiyle. Eger iddia edildigi gibi kendisini Islamci
addedenler islemisse cinayeti, onlar da terorist 
kategorisine dahildir. Fakat benim korkum olayin TR'nin
karismasini isteyen dahili/harici gizli orgutlerin
bir tasarimi olabilecegi. 

Saygilar,
Veli


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