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Reply-To:     Jozsef Vitrai <VITRAI@NKI.BITNET>
From:         Jozsef Vitrai <VITRAI@NKI.BITNET>
Subject:      input(put(.. question

Hi,
I'd like to understand, can would anybody explain me:
WHY doesn't work the INPUT function without the PUT?
-------------------------  test program's log  -----------------------------
57   data test; set w;

58   datew_p =input(put(dob,$6.),yymmdd.);
WARNING: Variable DOB has already been defined as numeric.
59   datewo_p=input(dob,yymmdd.);
60   format datew_p datewo_p mmddyy.;
61   put dob= datew_p= datewo_p =;
62   run;

NOTE: Numeric values have been converted to character
      values at the places given by: (Line):(Column).
      59:16
DOB=220111 DATEW_P=01/11/22 DATEWO_P=.
DOB=220111 DATEW_P=01/11/22 DATEWO_P=.
DOB=220111 DATEW_P=01/11/22 DATEWO_P=.
DOB=220111 DATEW_P=01/11/22 DATEWO_P=.
DOB=220111 DATEW_P=01/11/22 DATEWO_P=.
NOTE: The data set WORK.TEST has 5 observations and 25 variables.
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Reply-To:     Bruce Reed <breed@ACCS.DUC.AUBURN.EDU>
From:         Bruce Reed <breed@ACCS.DUC.AUBURN.EDU>
Subject:      SAS 6.08 for Windows and TCP/IP
Comments: To: sas-l@uga.bitnet

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Subject:        SAS 6.08 for Windows and TCP/IP
Rel:            6.08 Developers/Windows
From:           Bruce Reed      breed@daffy.duc.auburn.edu
                Academic Computing Services
                Auburn University, AL 36849-5345
                (205) 844-4813
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SI's Tech Support advises that Novell Lan Workplace for DOS is the only
TCP/IP software that has been tested for SAS/CONNECT in the 6.08 Developers
Release for Windows.  Has anyone had any success using other TCP/IP
implementations with this release?  In particular, we are interested in using
the Clarkson University product (CUTCP).
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:17:21 EST
Reply-To:     Andy Norton <76350.1604@COMPUSERVE.COM>
From:         Andy Norton <76350.1604@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      PROC SORT NODUPLICATES is no good
Comments: To: SAS-L <SAS-L@AWIIMC12.IMC.UNIVIE.AC.AT>

----------------------------------------------------------------------
CONTENT:   Information
SUMMARY:   Never use PROC SORT NODUPLICATES.
           Use PROC SORT NODUPKEY instead.
REL/PLTF:  6.07.01/CMS, 6.04/PC-DOS
E-ADDR:    76350.1604@compuserve.com
NAME:      Andy Norton
ADDRESS:   Trilogy Consulting, 5228 Lovers Lane, Kalamazoo MI 49002 USA
PHONE:     (616) 344-2191
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I've never trusted PROC SORT NODUPLICATES, and now I know why.

The SAS Language and Procedures Usage book (version 6, first edition,
page 157) recommends the NODUPLICATES option to eliminate duplicates:
"The NODUPLICATES option in the SORT procedure deletes any
observation
variables and other variables) of another observation in the data set."

So, try it out:
  data TEST;
    input A B;
  cards;
  1 1
  1 2
  1 1
  run;
  proc sort data=TEST out=TEST2 noduplicates;
    by A;
  run;
On CMS 6.07.302, the result is
  NOTE:  0 observations were deleted.

On page 510 of the Procedures manual (version 6, Third edition), the
behavior of the NODUPLICATES option is *correctly* described:
   "NODUPLICATES NODUPREC NODUP checks for and eliminates duplicate
observations.  This option causes PROC SORT to compare all variable
values for each observation to the previous one written to the output
data set.  If an exact match is found, the observation is not written
to the output data set.  Note:  This option differs from the NODUPKEY
option because the NODUPLICATES option compares the entire
observation, not just the BY values."

So, NODUPLICATES only eliminates duplicates if they occur next to each
other.  To get them next to each other, sort by all the variables.  But
then you might as well use NODUPKEY right away:
   proc sort data=TEST out=TEST2 nodupkey;
     by _all_;
   run;
or alternatively
   proc sql;
     create table TEST2 as
       select distinct
              *
       from   TEST;
   quit;
By the way, neither approach works if you have "too many" variables.
The limit on CMS appears to be a maximum of 127 variables.

I've got two questions:
   1)  Is there any legitimate use of NODUPLICATES?
       I suspect not.  My SAS 82 manual shows NODUPLICATES but not
NODUPKEY.  My theory is that NODUPLICATES remains for compatibility,
but NODUPKEY should always be used instead.

   2)  Why does the Usage manual give bad advice?
       This question is left as an exercise for the reader.

Andy
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:34:57 -0800
Reply-To:     Joe St Sauver <JOE@OREGON.BITNET>
From:         Joe St Sauver <JOE@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Carr and Tlapa Ridge Regression Code (SUGI 14 pp. 1220-1124)

I've got a user who is trying to follow the ridge regression
sample code shown on pages 1220-1224 in the SUGI 14 Proceedings,
as shown by Gary Carr (of NYNEX) and Gerald Tlapa (Bellcore) --
unfortunately, there are some sort of odd operators which appear
in the code listings -- specifically, about two inches from the
bottom of the first column on pp 1224, there's a line which
begins:

   YCPYC=YC/*YC;

Now, that's a little odd, in SAS/IML terms, since /* normally
introduces a comment, and there aren't a whole lot of interesting
operators that one might do between YC and YC (again), if you get
my drift.

This /* usage appears lots of other places in the listing, too...

Is this a typo (as I suspect), or is this some sort of undocumented
SAS/IML operator? Does anyone have typo-corrected source for this
routine? An alternative suggestion for a user needing to ridge in SAS?
(I know it is statistically iffy, but they are being forced into
ridging, so augment the diagonal we shall...).

For what it is worth, we're running 6.07 under VMS, although the user
could also run 6.07 under SunOS, if it would help.

Thanks,

Joe
From: kluger@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Dr. Avi Kluger)
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Subject: Kappa
Summary: Interested in code (SAS) for kappa
Keywords: Kappa, inter-judges reliability
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:05:49 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I would appreciate a SAS code for kappa (e.g., Siegel, 1988)
Is it available anywhere?

Thanks in advance

Avi Kluger
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:44:54 -0500
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From:         LRNEDEN@BCSC02.BITNET
Subject:      RE: PROC SORT NODUPLICATES

----------------------------------------------------------------------
CONTENT: Another Gotch to watch for.
SUMMARY: Using a KEEP= list on the input dataset to the SORT does not
         limit the variables that are compared for the NODUPLICATES.
REL/PLTF: SAS 6.06 /MVS ESA
E-ADDR: LRNEDEN.BCSC02.BITNET
NAME: Linda Neden
PH/ADDR:(604) 545 -3094, Vernon, B.C. Canada
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Further to Andy Nortons exploration of the NODUPLICATES option, using a
KEEP= list on the input dataset to the SORT does not limit which variables
NODUPLICATES compares. All variables are compared.
eg.

DATA ONE;
 INPUT A B C;
CARDS;
1 1 1
1 1 2
1 2 1
RUN;

PROC SORT DATA=ONE(KEEP = A B) OUT=TWO NODUPLICATES;
 BY A;
RUN;

PROC PRINT;
RUN;

results in

OBS   A  B
 1    1  1
 2    1  1
 3    1  2

Regards
Linda  Neden
546-3199
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Reply-To:     Evan Cooch <ecooch@SAS.UPENN.EDU>
From:         Evan Cooch <ecooch@SAS.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      design matrix...
Comments: To: sas-l%marist.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu

Thanks to everyone who has responded to my query concerning outputting the
design matrix that GLM constructs. As several people have pointed out,
GLMMOD (supplemental to 6.07) does this trick fairly nicely.

Unfortunately, it does not exist under PC-SAS 6.04, which is all the
students currently have access to. Oh well, maybe after wee've spent a
kazillion dollars to upgrade to OS\2, and got the newest SAS for that
platform (6.08) we can use GLMMOD.

Thanks again...





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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:53:00 GMT
Reply-To:     "John D. Smith, Info Resrc Mgmt,
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From:         "John D. Smith, Info Resrc Mgmt,
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Subject:      INDEX function different in DATA step and SCL, V 6.07
Comments: To: sas-l <sas-l@uga.bitnet>

A little gotcha for you:

The INDEX function works different in SCL and the DATA step!  Consider the
following statement:

     pointer = index(CHARVAR, ' ');

Produces the following results:

                            Value of Pointer in

Value of CHARVAR              SCL        DATA

TEST IT ALL                    4          4
TEST                           0          4

I can think of reasons why the two might behave differently, but I couldn't
find anything in the FMs that mentions this specifically.

Beware!
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Reply-To:     anuradhaa shastri <ASHASTR3@UA1VM.BITNET>
From:         anuradhaa shastri <ASHASTR3@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      subscription to sas(r)

I want to subscribe to sas(r) discussion. Kindly do the needful.



                                             Thanks,
                                                    Anu
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 10:56:00 PST
Reply-To:     AHKARP1@UCBCMSA.BITNET
From:         AHKARP1@UCBCMSA.BITNET
Subject:      visual analogue scales

Hello:  a couple of weeks ago I put a note on the bulletin board requesting
informaton about visual analogue scales.  I haven't been able to log back on
to my system since then, and have noticed that my reader was purged of old
messages a couple of days ago.

If you were kind enough to reply the first time, can you repeat the favor.  I'm
looking for sources of information about the use of these scales, how the
result are analyzed, and if software is available to read the raw data.

Thanks again.  My terminal is working again so I will be able to log on again
soon.

     Andrew Karp
     Univ. of California
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Subject: SAS+SyncSort
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:14:37 GMT
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A while ago (about a year), I posted a note that said I was finishing a
condensed guide to SyncSort that could be mailed on request.  Well, it's
finally done and I've distributed a bunch already.  If you are interested,
send a note directlty to me.  The guide covers how to use SyncSort to
extract and/or count records, with a lot of examples as to how to use
SyncSort as a front end to SAS when you have large data files (flat files).
The guide focuses on the IBM MVS environment, but also has some VM
examples.  SyncSort has been a real CPU time saver for us, but requires a
little investment on the learning curve.

Mike Zdeb                   New York State Department of Health
Concourse (C-144)                                MSZ03@ALBNYDH2
Albany, NY   12237-0044                           (518)474-2377
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Reply-To:     Jozsef Vitrai <VITRAI@NKI.BITNET>
From:         Jozsef Vitrai <VITRAI@NKI.BITNET>
Subject:      stat book request

Hi, SAS-L;

I have a dream ... I'd like to really understand the basics and
the structure of the applied statistics. Therefore, I'd like to
buy statistical handbook/s to see clearly the basic elements and
the relations among different statistical analysis provided by
the SAS procedures. I'm looking for books with holistic approach,
rather extensive than intensive, for a user who everyday uses it
in biostatistics.
So if you have a comprehendible, contemporary book to suggest,
please, let me know.
Thanks in advance.
Jozsef
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:21:38 -0900
Reply-To:     "ACAD2A::AFDGF" <AFDGF@ALASKA.BITNET>
From:         DENNIS G FISHER <AFDGF@ALASKA.BITNET>
Subject:      ID Numbers and confidentiality

I have a situation with a grad student in which I have access to
a dataset that includes confidential names that she cannot have
access to.  I want to create a unique identifier so that
every time the same name shows up in the dataset, that person
gets the same identifier.  We do not have date of birth or
any other numbers that we could use.  The input statement looks something like
Input month 1-2  day 3-4  year 5-6  firstnam $ 35-42  lastnam $ 43-54 ;
We are using VMS and can use either 6.06 or 6.07.
If I could create a unique identifier, then I could just output
another raw dataset that has the unique identifier and the other
variables that she needs without the names, transfer that dataset
to her account, and everything would be fine.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Dennis Fisher
Center for Alcohol and Addiction Studies
University of Alaska Anchorage
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From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: SAS 6.06 on OS/2 2.0 -- can it work?  (YES!)
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:13:29 GMT

tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen) writes:
> Trying to run SAS 6.06 on OS/2 2.0, I get an error about an invalid font
> (internal error 24).  It works fine on OS/2 1.3, but 2.0 is a bit nicer.  :)
> Is there a way of getting 6.06 to run on OS/2 2.0?   Thanks in advance for
> any advice...

Thanks to everyone who told me to add "-font Courier" to the commandline
options to get it to start.  The trickier part was to choose the nicer
System Monospaced font in SAS, do Options -> Save Window Layout, and then
remove the "-font Courier" from the commandline to get SAS to default to 
the system monospaced font.

Works great now -- thanks again!

[ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
[ tomh@wes.on.ca                   "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ]
[ waterloo engineering software      "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ]
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From: roo.caltech.edu!nathan (Nathan Mates)
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Subject: NDA Games-- NO 4/4 (miscalculated!)
Date: 11 Dec 1992 23:31:53 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Originator: nathan@roo

Sorry, everybody, there is no 4th part when starting from zero!

Nathan

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:01:56 EST
From: Rich Urban <RJU101@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: File transfer to Mac

   I have an Apple IIGS and unfortunitally never kept up on new products. Howev
er I recently read that the new GSOS allowed one to transfer GS files to a form
 readable by a Mac.  Has anyone used this software, Is it worth it?  Do you nee
d a special drive to do this or is the standard 3.5 OK?
       On another note, has anyone created something similar to PC Transporter,
 but that allowed your Apple II to run Mac programs??


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From: roo.caltech.edu!nathan (Nathan Mates)
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Subject: Misc Inits 0/1
Date: 11 Dec 1992 23:33:17 GMT
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   This is a header post for some miscellaneous inits written by Nathan
Mates. Enjoy!

   I may get around to putting the files on caltech's ftp site, but since
I'm leaving for Christmas Vacation real soon now, that may take some time.
Please support free/shareware authors!

Nathan Mates


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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:27:56 -0500
From:         Christine Marton <cmarton@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: SEDS_USA conferences
              Dec 16, 92 7:00 pm

Hi Doug:
Could you send me a copy of the information for the SEDS-USA conferences
so that I can insert it in the next issue of the SEDS-Canada newsletter.
Either send it via e-mail to cmarton@epas.utoronto.ca
or to my home address:  Christine marton, 1 Windsor Avenue,
Scarborough, Ont.M1N 1A6 Canada
Thanks,
Christine
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From:         Bill Blum <blumb@SAGE.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject:      Request For Information

Would someone please take the time to mail me:

A current list of EVERY SEDS National Board Member, w/addresses

A copy of the SEDS Vision statement that I've heard passing comments about

Information on SEDSAT (how far has it come, what needs done, etc.)

Thank you for your cooperation.

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From:         USS@SPACE-SOCIETY.UH.EDU
Subject:      Re: U. of Arizona SEDS Found!!!

University Space Society definitely predates SEDS.  USS started at in 1978
as UH L5, a chapter of the L5 Society.  It merged with L5 Houston (now
Houston Space Society) in 1979 as the UH Section of L5 Houston.  USS is
still the UH Section of HSS.  USS joined SEDS in the mid 1980's. The name
USS was adopted 1988.

Another minute of SEDS history.   :-)

        +*,
        Alvin Carley
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From:         Rodney Sherwin <ceres@MANTA.JCU.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Unsubscribe

Could you please inform me on how to remove myself from this mailing
list.  Thankyou.

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From:         MRICHARDSON@JPLPDS.JPL.NASA.GOV
Subject:      RE: responding to Vanin Michele's letter to UH

     UKSEDS sent info quite along time ago (Vanin was on the list that Lori
gave me).  I have no further information.

     Mark.
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