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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Faulkner to Cincy?
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:26:09 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <BvGCno.AsF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
>
>>Today's LA Times (10/1) had a long article on Arizona State "Athletics".
>>In it, there was a hint that Jamal Faulkner, last year's PAC-10 Freshman
>>of the year, will transfer to Cincinatti.
>
>	Wouldn't this be the 2nd transfer for Faulkner?  He originally
>	signed w/ Pitt -- but after being declared Prop 48, he booted for
>	ASU.  Now, if he leaves for Cinn, he would have to sit out another
>	year.  And, he would have 1 year of eligibility left?  What's the
>	ruling on this?


I think he only verbally committed to Pitt. ASU was his first team, and
he was eligible as a freshman there.

Also, he was the PAC-10 FOTY 2 years ago, not last year.

If he transfers to cincy, I believe he sits out one year and then would
still be ajunior with 2 years to play, assuming he doesn't get in more
trouble.




Russ Smith
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From: drune@red2.acpub.duke.edu (Dain Runestad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Inside Sports Poll
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:55:47 GMT
Reply-To: drune@red2.acpub.duke.edu (Dain Runestad)


|> 
|> I don't know if you have any past issues from previosu years, but in
|> the past I remeber Inside Sports having one of the most inaccurate
|> preseason polls ever published (I've since thrown out those issues 
|> when I moved).  I'm convinced they intentionally overrate up and 
|> coming teams in order to make their issue stand out from all the
|> other pre-season magazines.  Maybe that's changed, as I haven't
|> bought it in a couple of years.  Of course, y'all have heard this
|> in the past, so I'll just shut up.  How does this ranking compare
|> to this year's SI rankings (if they're even out yet) ?
|> 

	SI isn't out yet, but compared to everything else I've seen so far
(Sport, Basketball Digest, etc.) I.S. has the most sensible poll I've seen
yet.  Especially compared to Sport - I can't believe they put California #9
and Arizona State in the top 100, much less the "Sweet" Sixteen.  I.S. ranked
teams like Evansville, B.Y.U., Iowa St., and George Washington in the top 25, 
which, looking at last year's records and returning players, seem to make sense.
The top 4 are the same as everybody else, and F.S.U. is a deserved #5.  Tulane
is probably a little overranked at 6, as are M.S.U., Georgetown, and N.M.S.U.,
at least by my figurations.

Of course, no one matters but the eventual #1 - Duke!!!!
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Recruiting Junkies Anonymous (was: Joey Beard - Duke Bound
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:06:29 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1992Sep28.142434.19298@ms.uky.edu>, fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>Bob Clock Clue Cluff Clow writes:              ^^^^
     ^^^^^                                     not related to Don Fehr, I hope?
Hey, I know what time it is.
>>  This brings up a new idea: a twelve step program to help recruiting junkies
>>help themselves.  
[steps one through seven deleted.  You know, if I didn't know better, I'd 
 swear that he didn't care for the recruiting season very much.  Maybe we 
should give this all up and form alt.hoops.recovery] 

>12) We came to believe that if only we turned our attention to other
>things than recruiting that, for example, our ability to remember
>the numbers between 7 and 12 would return.

Well, let's see, Hurley is #11 and Thomas Hill is #12.  What, were you talking
about something else?      
 
	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Christ resides in pea soup"--William Shatner, "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds",
				played backwards (really!)
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Call for toughest arena votes
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:19:20 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


1) Cameron Indoor Stadium (much as I hate to say it)
2) Allen Fieldhouse
3) Dean Dome
4) Gallagher-Iba Arena (how about it people?)
5) Alexander Memorial Coliseum
   Yes, I know this will earn flames for being a "home call" but just ask
   some of the teams that play there how they like to do so.  Not much gets
   me madder than the fact that (crybaby) Hurley is undefeated at Alexander
   at 3-0, but the great Danny Ferry went 0-4 there!  Also, NCSU teams with
   Corchiani and Monroe have lost there, as have non-ACC foes aplenty.  In
   fact, since Cremins came to Tech, only two non-ACC have ever won at 
   the Thrillerdome.  One was a Pervis Ellison-led Louisville team that 
   escaped with a two point victory, the other was Richmond who somehow
   finds a way to beat Tech most of the time anyway.  Temple, with Mark 
   Macon, has come in and lost, De Paul and Notre Dame have come in and met
   defeat.  ALL the publicity goes to the "Cameron Crazies"  Big deal, they
   know how to throw pizza boxes and sneakers onto the court.  That should 
   earn them a technical foul, not praise from the announcers.  Cmon, Dukies
   admit one thing, if Hurley played for some other team, wouldn't you guys
   throw diapers or something on the court whenever he came to play at Duke?
   Flame away people, I'm sure you will.  :)

Best arena: The Pit
	I've heard ALOT of good things about The Pit.  I don't think its 
any coincidence that The Pit has hosted NCAA Final 4 before, and may well
again in the future.  It is a great site for basketball, not to mention
a formidable place to play at.  Obviously, I'm not speaking from personal
experience here, but rather from what I've read in many, many publications
and what I've seen on tv.

Worst arena: The Superdome (or any other football stadium probably)
	Yes, I know this is not an on-campus venue that is used all the time,
but it STILL is a HORRIBLE place to play ball.  You have a better view of the
players on a pocket handheld tv, they're so small.  The acoustics are awful.
The distance from the crowd to the action is humungous.  There were frisbee
games going on on the sidelines at the 1990 Southeast Regional games.  Thats
how much space there was!  Yuck!  The NCAA should ban football stadiums from
being used as venues.  Of course, since they hold so many people, it will
NEVER happen.  Heck, since the NCAA cares about money so much, why don't they
just close down Crisler Arena, and play at Michigan Stadium, they'd get ALOT
more people there and sell ALOT more tickets!  :) 
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From: rajain@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Call for toughest arena votes (revised)
Date: 5 Oct 92 09:06:04 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Oct4.185724.1678@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
> In article <18644.2acf2b2a@ecs.umass.edu> rajain@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>>
>>	Hmmm! So far *no* mention of the "Rage in the Cage" at
>>	UMASS!!! ? Strange! veddy strange!!! The ceiling started falling
>>	apart last year when the crowd was screaming during the Temple
>>	game!! <of course, the "age" of the Cage had nothing to do 
>>	with it ;-)>!!! 
> 
> Oh, geeesh!  This thread started out with somebody mentioning "The Cage",
> which I disputed, because I have hardly heard of many major upsets
> occurring at that place.  Hell, before UMASS!!! had a decent team last
> year, they had major problems filling that place, from what I have heard.

	As a matter of fact you are 100% correct! Before last year we
	*did* have problems in filling up the Cage but last year was
	a refreshing change....For past 3+ yrs coach Calipari has been
	trying very hard to get the team going and it *did* improve
	over the yrs, reaching it's best <till last season> last year.
	Hopefully the new Mullins Arena will continue the "Rage in the
	Cage" tradition <gotta find a new slogan for *that* one ;-)>
	but this year the team might not be as strong as last year...
	but that who knows :) We had high hopes from the frosh Donta
	Bright, but seems like since he didn't clear his SAT's he is
	gonna have to S.I.T <no pun intended> down this season :-(
	Three of the players from last season's squad have graduated
	including Jimmy McCoy so to some extent the team *has* lost
	the sting......maybe Calipari *does* have something else to
	go on with !!!

> 
> The amazing circular thread....  Would anybody like to start this one over
> again?
 
	I guess Orin has already started it :-) 

> -- 
> 
> Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu


	Rajat Jain....
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kentucky?
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:15:03 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <1alsopINNd85@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bm495@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Moore) writes:
>
>Maybe I'm starting my kentucky bashing a liitle early this year (JEALOUS?)
>but for a fairly youung team they seem to be ranked very high in the preseason
>polls. I think NEXT year will be their year. COMMENTS?

I've seen UK ranked as high as 5th in some polls, which almost certainly
is too high.  Yet they were in a similar situation last year - ranked
around the bottom of the top 10 in some polls.  They started off shakey
but built themselves into one of the top 6 teams by season's end.

Somewhere between 9th and 12th seems like a believable spot for the Wildcats
to start off.  But if Pitino can consolidate this team the way he did with
his last one, they could end up in the top 5 or 6 by NCAA time.

I'd have a hard time believing that the 1993-4 team would be better than
the 1992-93, unless Rhodes really is the second coming of Mashburn.  If
so, having a more experienced bunch of centers, and non-freshman guards,
might make them more of a threat.

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From: bm495@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: TOP RECRUIT TO U.OF CINCINNATI
Date: 3 Oct 1992 14:33:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bm495@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Moore)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, foerster@zman.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster) says:

>In article <1ad80mINN2e9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bm495@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Moore) writes:
>|> 
>|> Local news reported tonight that Dontonio Wingfield has verbally 
>|> committed to the University of Cincinnati. Most recruiting lists
>|> have him listed in the top 5 or 10 in the nation. The Cincinnati
>|> Enquirer also reported yesterday that local prospect Damon Flint
>|> (another top 20-30 recruit) will commit around November 11. 
>|> Recently he visted UC and appears he is leaning toward staying
>|> home to play for the Bearcats. It was also reported that Kentucky 
>|> is no longer attempting to recuit Damon Flint.
>|>  
>|> Mr. Bearcat 
>|> -- 
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>
>So Dontonio has an ACT/SAT score now. You can't make a paid campus visit
>unless you have one in hand.  I would assume he would want to make a 
>"paid" visit before committing.
>
>Dontonio could verbally commit without a score but he would of course
>be subject to Prop 48 restrictions.
>
>-- 
>
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>

I don't think that Dontonio ever made any official vists. I believe he is
scheduled to take the SAT in early October according to the paper. He came
to a summer camp at UC a while back, (maybe a year or more??). I would assume
that Damon Flint has passes his ACT/SAT, the article just mentioned the visit.
The Cincinnati Enquirer also had a few quotes from recruiting mags saying
grades will be his biggest concern. He was alos quoted as saying he only
plans to stay in school 1,2 or 3 years at the mostIt has been reported that
the NBA is very interested in him.
(When I was talking anout grades I was refering again to Dontoniao, not Damon)
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara)
Subject: Wimpiest Arenas: was Re: Call for toughest arena votes (revised)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 22:13:51 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

I nominate Michigan's Chrysler Arena as being one of the wimpiest
arenas around. The fans (the ones who are not students) are sooooo
lame. They sit (not stand like DUKE fans) and rarely clap or get
into the game.....

They are improving though. The student section was moved behind
the teams and things got a bit louder.

Too bad student tickets are going to be near impossible to get this
year! 

					Marty
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Joey Beard - Duke Bound
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:54:56 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1992Sep28.164811.12415@dg-rtp.dg.com>, foerster@zman.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster) writes:
>Looks like a double-edged sword for Dookies. They got a good one in
>Joey Beard but now have no real shot at Jerry Stackhouse. I don't think
>this will hurt Duke that much but I'd still take Stackhouse over 
>any kid (regardless of position) in a minute.

Certainly.  It now looks like Florida State might be his choice, although
FSU is already overflowing with wings.  It would make the most sense for him
to go to NC State, but these sort of things rarely make sense.  

	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Christ resides in pea soup"--William Shatner, "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds",
				played backwards (really!)
From: pereira_f@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Help! Jersey Guy looking for Bball League
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:57:43 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

Hi all Bball fanatics!
I just wanted to know if there are any Bball leagues in New Jersey
that I can play in...I have played in a Bball league before and 
really enjoy it..If there is anyone out there from Jersey who is 
in a league(Winter or Summer) drop me a line....
Thanks,
Felix
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: PAC-10: Oregon State Schedule
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date:  2 Oct 92 00:24:02 GMT

kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers) writes:

>In article <1992Oct01.072114.13311@CS.ORST.EDU> rpandey@CS.ORST.EDU (Rajeev Pandey) writes:
>>matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
>>
>>>> I don't think that anyone will be able to accuse OSU of having an easy
>>>> non-conference schedule.......
>>
>>> Why not?  The only really good team on the list is Ohio State.  There
>>> are also some name schools that aren't that good these days.  It's no
>>> Georgetown, but it's not a schedule to crow about either.  More below.
>>
>I'm with Rajeev on this one. Why put a team that's trying to turn the
>corner into a a bunch of games where they could get blown out?

I didn't mean to get on Rajeev's case about OSU's schedule, or the posting,
which I thought was great.  Upon reading my response again, I realize that
maybe I did.  All I wanted to point out is that, although they aren't
playing many cupcakes, OSU doesn't have the toughest non-conference schedule 
in the country either.  That honor probably still goes to Notre Dame.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Sport Magazine's Sweet Sixteen
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:04:25 GMT

timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin) writes:

>Maybe a better analogy is a guy who played a couple years, then sat out,
>and returned. (Larry Smith) Rather than a kid who sat out a year after
>HS and had to overcome that and adjust to stronger competition.  I don't
>think it's as hard to return after sitting as it is to establish yourself.

	Well, in Smith's case, I think he came back pretty strongly.  He
	finished w/ career highs in every category.  He even ended up
	getting tryouts w/ NBA camps, and I think he's toiling right now in
	the CBA.  

	Referring back to Kaufmann, there was an interesting article in the
	Chicago Tribune about 2 weeks back.  The article talked about
	Kaufmann, and how he's found it a little hard to come back to the
	team after a 1 year layoff.  Apparently the welcome has not been
	that friendly -- but that his teammates are slowly warming up to
	him and his game again.  Kaufmann is going to have to establish
	himself again if the Illini are to succeed this season.

	Jazzy J

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:13:23 -0400 
From: Michael Hofsass <mh6c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: St. John's news...?



Hello!

I am from NYC and am seeking any and all Redmen news...

I fear for them this season w/o Sealy (who I graduated with from High
School) and w/o Louie...

Any info, please let me know...

Thanks

MAGE.
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Maui Classics and Pitinoisms
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:27:29 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL


The University of Kentucky will be playing in the 1993 Maui Classic on
the islands next year.  This will be UK's first trip to  Hawaii since
Eddie Sutton took his 1985-86 team there, when UK beat both Chaminade
89-57 and Hawaii 98-65.  The tournament will be played a few days
before Christmas.  Other teams set for the 1993 field are Arizona, 
Notre Dame, Ohio State, Texas, and Chaminade.  Tentatively scheduled
at this time are Boston College and North Carolina State.  The 1992
field includes Duke, LSU, Memphis State, DePaul, Brigham Young,
Chaminade, Oklahoma, and Stanford.

On another topic, when asked on a recent WLW radio program about his 
relationship with UofL coach Denny Crum, Rick said "I don't have a
relationship with Denny Crum and Louisville.  Denny Crum is someone
I respect.  He's an outstanding coach.  But Louisville and Kentucky
will always find a way to dislike each other."  At the same time,
Pitino defended LSU coach Dale Brown, calling him (get ready to be
amazed, everybody!) "... a very under-rated coach, and he's very good
to his young men."  Considering the verbal clashes between Brown and
Pitino in past years, I was rather astonished to hear Rick say this.

Perhaps he'd had a few too many mint juleps that day and was in a 
slightly odd mood.  :-)

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From: ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic Johnson
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:11:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: wavefron.596
Organization: Wavefront Technologies Inc, Santa Barbara, CA
X-Disclaimer: Not a spokesperson for Wavefront Technologies, Inc.

In article <ld0l03INNerp@priddy.cs.utexas.edu> wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward) writes:
>Sounds like he's got Byron Scott's job to me...
>
>If I were coaching the Lakers (I wish), I would start Sedale and
>let him bring the ball down the floor.  Byron Scott can ride pine on the
>days that Magic plays.
>
>Rick

I agree with you there. It wouldn't make sense to have Magic bring
up the ball on every play. Sedale did a fairly decent job of that
last season. But IMO he didn't do a very good job of handling the fast 
breaks. (as meager in numbers they were last season!). But no coach in the 
world can get Magic off the ball during a fast break.  He just pounces 
on fast break opportunities and that will probably continue to happen 
next season too.

As a matter of fact, for a long time now, Jerry West has been looking
for someone else to handle the ball besides Magic. And this was even
before Magic announced his retirement. I believe that was the reason
they traded for Sedale in the first place. Byron is not a good ball
handler, Larry Drew was a liability on D, Tony Smith, well, he was
a liability on everything except D.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Lakers had a crunch-time line-up
of Magic, Sedale, Vlade/Campbell/Edwards, Worthy, and Perkins,
with Sedale being the PG on full-court plays.