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From: sery@crunch.unm.edu (sery)
Subject: Alamosa Record Challenge and Road Race, Aug 15-16
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 17:20:14 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM

Alamosa Record Challenge and Road Race, August 15,16 1992

John Frey and Rod Bush, both of Team Shaklee, smashed the National 40k Tandem 
Time Trial Record by riding 45m 16s.  The previous record of 46m 46s had been 
set by the duo of Desi Brown and Gabrial Aragon (NM Velo Sport) at the 1991 
Record Challenge in Moriarity, NM.  A slight tailwind puffed up for their 
outward leg but the weather was actually better for their 10am start then 
earlier in the day when fog covered the dead straight, very flat 7500ft high 
course.  They rode the same tandem that Brown/Aragon rode to their record and 
two National Championships.  They equiped it with a spoked front wheel, a 
ZIPP 950 disk (both with Conti 19mm Comp GPs!), 100K-like bars, and a top end 
60x12 gear. 

The fog and alternating rough-smooth surface seemed to keep times slower for
the individual efforts.  I have to do this by memory so I can only post a
small percentage of the results and they are not exact:

Senior Men			 	Senior Women	
1. Bostick	50:14			1. Jane Marshal-Gagne	low-mid 55
2. Stenner	50:48
3. Carlson	51:15-20		Master Women 35
4. Knox		51:50			1. Bostick	low-mid 56
5-10 high 52 - low 53

Master Men 30
1. Mion		52:04


Sunday's 40 mile circuit was the flattest stretch of road I have ever seen
and I'm from NJ!  The 120mile Senior Men RR was cool and windy.  The field of
about 50 spilt up quickly into a front group of 12-14 and a second group of
15-16.  On the last lap 4 riders bridged up to the front group and there were
a few attacks.  Rod Bush and Scott "Buzzsaw" Mercer attacked before the feed 
zone with 15-18 to go.  Bush did the majority of the work and dropped Mercer
with about two to go and soloed in.  The next group was down to about 9 for
the field sprint finish. 

Paul Sery
Albuquerque, NM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kmb@controls.ccd.harris.com (Kurt Brunton)
Subject: Re: Drillium
Originator: kmb@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:44:42 GMT


In article <1992Aug18.093653.3880@ccd.harris.com>, kmb@controls.ccd.harris.com (Kurt Brunton) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 	[griping deleted]
|> 
|> Kurt "I'm not upset, I just haven't ridden my bike yet today" Brunton
|> 
	Damn, used the wrong subject header.  All the griping is in the
RE: Profile BREEZE recall article for anyone that cares.

Kurt "I hate working the early shift, I'm strung on caffine" Brunton
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: gmack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack)
Subject: Re: Road tires
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:04:19 GMT

In article <5960@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com>
tgorb@rrc.chevron.com (Joe Gorberg) writes:
 
>
>Any one had experience with Performance-brand tires such as the EX/K, GT/K, ST/K
>models?
>
>--Joe.
>

I put a set of Performance GT/K's on my Schwinn Crosscut.  I took off the 700x35
knobbies that came with this bike and put on the Performance 700x28 GT/Ks.  It 
instantly moved my average MPH up by about 1.5 mph.  I mounted these tires on
the Araya rims that came with the bike.  Except for one sliver of glass that
made it through the rear tire, I have had no problems with this tire/rim combin-
ation in the 1200 miles that I've ridden on them.
 
I must admit that I affectionately refer to this bike as my "beater bike", and 
have lots of components and equipment that I would never consider putting on my
racing bike (which I have never "raced" on)!  I like the Michelin Hi-Lite Super
Compe H.D.s on my "fast" bike, but didn't want to spend that kind of money on
the Crosscut.


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From: cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston)
Subject: Re: Looking for advice on purchase of TOURING bikes
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:01:12 GMT

Perhaps the shop that only gives 60% on swaps then doesn't charge
labor for making the swap?  If free swaps but paid labor are the rule
then free labor but non-free swaps might be an ok deal, depending on
the part, of course.

But then the shop where I just bought my bike did not charge me
anything, labor or parts, to swap toe clips and saddle, nor did they
charge me to take my rack off my old bike and put it on the new one.
And that was a pain for them because the rack moved from a long
chainstay, 26" wheel bike to a (relatively) short chainstay, 700c
bike.  The rack, a Blackburn MTN-3, is the smallest rack you could
ever hope to put on a 700c bike with 35mm tires, and it just barely fit.
They didn't offer waterbottles, but it must have been an oversight
because my friend bought a (less-expensive) bike a month later and
she did get free bottles and cages.  Hey maybe I should go back and
demand my free bottles... NOT.    :-)

I think this sort of thing explains why I keep going back to this shop
even though I could get some things cheaper by mail order and have had
occasional problems with their service.  I initially thought I had
made a bad choice of shops but after further reflection I'm happy,
overall.

	Cathy
-- 
Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu
Actually I'm not clueless.  I'm conceptually challenged.
Important rule for out-and-back rides:  what goes down must come up.
From: czw70@ccc.amdahl.com (CA Whitfield)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: WANTED : Vetta Corsa helmet (UK only)
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:41:59 GMT
Reply-To: czw70@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (CA Whitfield)
Distribution: uk
Organization: Amdahl UK


Brits!
I have been looking for a Vetta Corsa helmet for a while but have
had no luck.  As far as I know it is a 1991 helmet but if anybody
sees one then please email!
Any colour will do, size Large.
Please email as my USA email address disagrees with UK distributed
net-replies.
Cheers,
CAW
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From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Atlanta '96 : Pro cyclists in ?
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:20:13 GMT
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
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{Jobst's dissection of the Noble Amateur snipped}

Hear, hear!

As with a lot of people, it took the "Dream Team" to really focus my
attention on these issues.  At first I thought it was unfair, an 
assessment that would seem to have been borne out by victories so
lopsided it was like watching somebody shoot gophers with a bazooka.
But then the light bulb clicked on -- after decades of watching our
amateurs get creamed in any number of sports by "shamateurs" (especially
the ones from the late Soviet Union and its puppet states), we were
finally competing on even terms in a sport at which our pros excel.
Every Michael Jordan dunk symbolically went down the throat of a
fully sponsored shamateur who'd swam or skated past an American
college kid in previous Olympics.

Now that I've compressed an Olympiad's worth of jingoism and chauvinsim
into four sentences, what about fairness?  Should there be some kind
of handicap or weighting, and if so, by what criteria?  Or should the
Olympics just be unlimited-class open competition, may the best pros 
win -- and if you don't have access to significant professional
competition in your sport, tough?

"Should they let the pros enter?" is an easy one in my humble and
absolutely meaningless opinion. "What constitutes fair competition?"
is a bit harder.

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
From: mdr@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mike Rogoff)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: PLEASE HELP w/front derailleur....
Date: 13 Aug 1992 21:05:49 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: tempest.berkeley.edu
Summary: it defies all laws of physics
Keywords: help please!

  ok....so I'm fooling around with my bike and some others in my
garage, as I am apt to do.  I have them all reassembled but one,
I get to the front derailleur (how do you spell that, anyway?) and
I notice that it seems to defy all laws of how d's should work.  It
was unlike any other I had ever seen.  I will try to describe it in
words, but you should see it.  I think it might be a SunTour AR but
I'm not sure.  Anyway, the arm that moves up and down as the guide
goes along the chainring does _not_ have a bolt (for anchoring the 
cable).  In my admittedly limited experience, all d's have a bolt with
which you anchor the cable to the arm so that when the shifter pulls the
cable, the cable pulls the arm, and the chain guide moves!!  Isn't that
how it goes?  But on this one, it just has a _hole_ the cable passes 
through, so that the cable can move freely without affecting the arm!
Does this not defy all logic about how a derailleur should work?  Even
worse, there is a cable bolt, but it is above the arm and is completely
STATIONARY so that if you did tighten this bolt on the cable, the
cable would become completely immobile and moving the shifter would
do nothing at all!  

Has anyone seen anything like this?  There must be something I am 
missing because it worked before I removed it (who was it that said
something about if it ain't broke.....).  Please HELP!!!!!

BTW, email would be wonderful!  Thanks a lot!!!!!!!!!

Mike
mdr@ocf.berkeley.edu
From: mccallum@fluorine.cchem.berkeley.edu (Mike Mccallum)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Canada and Sports Eats
Date: 15 Aug 1992 02:23:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: fluorine.cchem.berkeley.edu

In article <9208132152.AA23390@hplomg.hpl.hp.com> BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
>Now that all the speculation is over, what was the reason for banning
>imports of Power Bar and other US sports foods from Canada?  If Cytomax
>and Power Bar do not conform to the regulation, what is it that does
>not sit right with the Canadian Food & Drug people?  Let's hear it
>from some Canadians.  ...and let's get specific.  Like the name of the
>ingredient if that is the problem.
>
>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

Yesterday I told the owner of the bike shop about this thread.  It turns 
out that he was about to call P.B. here in Berkeley (not Pineapple Bob).
Anyway, we were talking about it, and he said that anyone in Canada who
wants P.B's would surely be able to get them cheap (wink, wink).  Yes,
this is a blatant attempt at being subtle (and a bit of an oxymoron, too).
So if you really want some Power Bars, and can't get them in Canada,
I have a few cases that I can let go for personal usage...
Now before anyone gets any feathers in an uproar about international
markets and all that, let me finish my tiresome little story.  

Ken, the owner, called up Power Bar.  He told the woman 
about Canada thing, and she said it was because Power Bars had too much 
Vitamin A to be a simple snack, but too much to be a dietary suppliament.
So apparently, the Canadian Govt. didn't know how to classify them, so they
banned them.  She seemed confused, but she said it definitely was Vitamin
A.  Anyway, Ken told her about starting a P.B. smuggling operation to 
Canada.  Kind of a payback for the kindness of the Canadian people during
our own Prohibition.  She said that she loved the idea and told the people
there.  So Ken said he wanted to add to his last order.  He said 10,000
cases of each flavor.   She said "Are you kidding, or do you really want
that many...?"

She was also worried because she travels to Canada every fall to visit
family, and she takes a few cases with her.  She didn't know if the 
border police were going to arrest her for contraband.

Disclaimers: Any offers implied in this post are real.
             I do not work for PowerBar, INC, but they do sponsor
             our team.

--Mike

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    mccallum@lithium.cchem.berkeley.edu                        { <=> }
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From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Dual pivot calipers (?)
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:41:36 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article 714180993@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca, rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis) writes:
>msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong) writes:
>
[original posting and my posting deleted]
>
>Now as I have read it (Cycling Plus, August 1992) at least the Shimano 
>105 dual pivot brakes include something in the brake lever (a cam I am
>assuming)
I've never read this nor have I taken apart my 105 levers. However, this
is a very definite possibility, as Shimano's "Servo-Wave" mountain levers
do indeed operate in this manner.
>which makes up for the greater travel necessary in what is 
>essentially a centre pull design.

I'm not so certain it's essentially a centre pull design, but it does seem 
that the calipers to travel farther. The flip side of this is that the caliper
arm is longer, providing more torque and greater stopping power, I'd assume,
though I've never done a formal analysis.

>I believe that what this involves 
>is that the first part of the pull moves the callipers quickly towards 
>the rim while the latter part is when the pads are in contact with the 
>rim and allow for greater leverage.  Is this essentially correct and 
>would those levers therefore be suitable for cantilevers (allowing for 
>less close adjustment)?
>
>

I would think they would be. The Dura-Ace STI levers are matched with 
DA dual-pivot calipers, so I'd assume the dual-control levers have some
"Servo-Wave" mechanism also. As I've seen pictures of Davis Phinney riding with
dual-control levers matched with old Dura-Ace center-pull calipers,
I'd say it's a safe combination. Moreover, some riders used regular
(non-STI) levers for the front brake only, so I'd say that just using
dual-pivot calipers is also valid. Given the choice however, I'd use
the two together.

>Robert M. Lewis
>Department of Sociology
>University of Alberta
>Edmonton, Alberta
>Canada

Michael Wong
msw10@amdahl.com
From: sproven@cs.strath.ac.uk (Simon B Proven IE91)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Lead and Commuting
Keywords: Commuting pollution
Date: 20 Aug 92 08:29:37 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

In article <1992Aug17.150638.12202@maths.tcd.ie> bpaul@maths.tcd.ie (Barry Paul) writes:
>
>Does anyone out there know what effect car fumes and other pollutants
>have on the commuting cyclist. In particular I am interested in blood
>lead levels. Is this a problem for people cycling in traffic? Is there
>any simple way of measuring the qty of lead in your blood? Do masks
>filter lead out, if so what are the best types and where can I get one? 

Typically, cyclists have HALF the pollution levels of car drivers.  I
heard that this is due to the enclosed space of a car trapping fumes,
while a cyclist is in the open air.  It was all published in a BMA report
earlier this year.  They said that a person who started cyling 60 miles
a week from the age of 35 would add around 2.5 year to their life due
to the health benifits.  I think it's the car drivers who should be
worring about fumes :)

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Protect me from what I want" - Jenny Holzer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Barry Paul, Computer Science,                                bpaul@maths.tcd.ie
>Trinity College Dublin, Ireland                                   (01) 702-1531

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From: tech@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Richard Loken)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: MYTH or FACT: Do bicycle helmets wear out from age?
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:14:51 GMT

bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer) writes:

>tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
>>As an aside I
>>would not take anything consumer reports says very seriously.  Especially
>>when they're talking aobut bikes or bike accessories.

Because they don't have a clue about anything.
Because they are interested in price and finish not performance or longevity.
Because they think a bicycle is used on bike paths after carrying it there in
your new Lexus.
Because their entire purpose is guilt free consumption.

--
  Richard Loken VE6BSV                             : "ISDN (acronym)
  Athabasca University, Athabasca, Alberta Canada  : Innovations 
  tech@cs.AthabascaU.CA                            : Subscribers Don't Need."
  {atha|aunro}!cs.athabascau.ca!tech               : - some sorehead or other
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Tour of Holland: Route and Dates
From: Willem Boersma <SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 19 Aug 1992 16:32:44 CET
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

Well, there appears to be a lot more interest in the Tour of Holland
than I expected. Here are the dates:
 
8/17 Prologue Zoetermeer 5.6 km
8/18 Nijkerk - Veendam 201 km.
8/19 Hardenberg - Haaksbergen 93 km.
8/19 Haaksbergen Individual Time Trial 31 km.
8/20 Arnhem - Tilburg 163.5 km.
8/21 Tilburg - Heythuysen 183 km.
8/22 Heythuysen - Gulpen 173 km.
 
As far as I know and have been able to see on TV, the competing teams are:
Buckler, Panasonic, TVM, PDM, Elro (small Dutch pro team) La William, Tulip,
GB / MG, Z, Castorama, Telekom, Motorola, Ariostea and Jolly Componibili.
 
Regards, Willem
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From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Stop My Spokes:TrashBar Wheel Editorial
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:09:04 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Todd S. (pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu) writes:

> Having bought NASHBAR UC13 wheels, I am in a continue battle
> with keeping them properly trued and tensioned.
> ....[ deleted ]
> Pardon my language, but I am just trying to emphazize
> my disgruntlement at Nashbar and getting what I paid for.

Sounds to me as if you did get what you paid for.

(Yes, I've bought an occasional component or tire from Nashbar
but wouldn't touch a bike or frame or wheel from them or (almost)
any other mail order place.  Too many ways they can screw up, and
too far to go to get them to make good.)
-- 
****************************************************************************
Eric House			"My employer doesn't share its opinions with
			   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jac@noaacrd.colorado.edu (Julia Collins)
Subject: Re: Re. Max heartrates
Organization: NOAA Climate Research Division
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:05:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.143538.11869@unislc.uucp> miket@unislc.UUCP (Michael Thompson,B2C04,4560) writes:
>
>Pardon me for being naive, or possably ignorant, but exactly how does one 
>calculate a maximum heart rate?  I'm 38 with a resting heartrate of 48.
>Also what is the purpose(s) of having this information?

You can calculate a theoretical max by subtracting your age from 220:
	220 - 38 = 182 
Although some would argue that there is essentially no purpose to this
information whatsoever (:-)), you can then use your max to find and use
a couple of useful training "zones":
	60-85% of max - below "anaerobic threshold", general endurance
			ride area
	above 85% (say, 90 - 95%) - target rate during interval efforts
	below 60% - easy spin days
A heart rate monitor makes using the numbers easier. You can also just
listen to your body; if someone where to ask you how you feel while 
you're at the heart rate ranges listed above, you would feel that your
efforts are hard, very hard, and easy respectively. Also be aware that
these ranges will change with training. The more fit person will have
an anaerobic (lactate) threshold at 85% or *greater* of their max HR,
which shifts everything up.

>
>I'd appreciate any info that would enlighten me.  Thanks in advance.
>
Hope this does.

Julia
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: at the very least difficult, if not impossible, to come by,   :
: we could always opt for the more temporal gratification of    :
: sheer physical attraction.  That wouldn't make you a shallow 	:
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From: bonak@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Esmail Bonakdarian)
Subject: Am I being picky? (gearing changes)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:03:14 GMT
Reply-To: bonak@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Esmail Bonakdarian)
Organization: U of Iowa, Iowa City, IA

I just had my local bike store change my gearing from a friction
based to indexed based system. I was told that this change would
require a new freewheel along with other components. I
specifically requested that I get the same number of teeth on the
new freewheel.

As it turns out, 4 of the 6 rings on the new freewheel are
different by one or two teeth from my original one, and I am
loosing about 10 inches from my original gearing range,
(27 -> 28.7  and 103.8 -> 96.4). The shop just stuck on a pre-
build standard Hyperglide freewheel (I didn't request hyperglide)
rather than doing what I asked for. I would be perfectly happy
with a "normal" (i.e. non-hyperglide) freewheel as I told them
prior to the job.

I used to have 13, 17, 19, 23, 28, 34 and now have 14, 17, 20,
24, 28, 32. I've used the original combo for touring a long time
and like it. Am I being nitpicky about this unwanted change? I'd
like to know what other cyclist think before talking to the shop.

Thanks,
Esmail
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