HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jyoung@Cadence.COM (John Young)
Subject: Trippy Posts Here
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:48:36 GMT

Well......I'm new to this group,and was trippin' through the articles.And can't figure out something
I am a white male,and I find asian women attractive(although I find all women attractive)and after
reading all the flames about this and that,where do I fit in???

I read how white men go for asian women,because they can't score with white chicks!?
**I don't get it?**I would like to date an asian-american,but,I can score with white chicks.Does this
mean that an asian-american woman/lady/girl wouldn't go out with me?

Also that there aren't many AAF/CM couples.Does this mean that AAF's aren't interested in CM's??
(did that come out right??)

And how asian-american women can't score with white guy's???(I hope this is right,you people were
flinging so much shit around it was hard to follow the topic's!)

I'm gonna' read this group for a while so all of you can explain it to me!
If any asian lady's would like to talk(do they like to talk to white guy's??)I would be happy to.
And if any of you ladies would like to go out let me know(that is if you like white guy's,I'm still
not clear on this,sorry!)

		Love women of any race!,
					John)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: kinosr@rs6106.ecs.rpi.edu (Roy Kiyoshi Kinoshita)
Subject: Email address for Kansai University?
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:51:50 GMT

Does anyone know if Kansai University (in Japan) is connected to Internet?
And, if they are, what they're email address is?

Thanks

Roy Kinoshita (kinosr@rpi.edu)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

cc: soc.culture.japan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re: Asian-American Guys Superior?
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:26:01 GMT

In article <216a02VD1eZH01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> mtw@cd.amdahl.com (Mark Wong) writes:
>
>>  The low success rate is for AsAm men (2nd generation +), meaning
>>  those that were born in U.S.A.  I have been asked out by Asian
>>  men born overseas.  What I'm trying to say is that I've seen
>>  a decided bias of AsAm (2nd generation + ) men to favor white
>>  women asking them out.
>>
>
>I find that the people you make friends with (male or female)
>are usually the people that you have mutual interests with. 
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is definitely true. I am not a 2nd + generation so i dont really
fit in the above mentioned bias.  However the two women that have asked me
out are both white.  The fisrt one did so becuase she found out that we
both enjoy cycling and both from the same town.  She wanted to get to
know me better so she can have a bike partner to bike along the Chicago
lake front in the summer.  This happenned back in college.  things were
going pretty well until I started getting sarcastic remarks from my AA
roommate about my seeing that "Polish girl".  Anyway the second woman
asked me out because she wanted me to get her into windsurfing.

>I have made a concious decision that hiking, backpacking, XC skiing,
>white water 
>rafting, etc. and the organizations that support these activities are
>important
>to me and so I choose friends that have similar interests. Most of
>these
>activities are under represented by Asians in this area and blacks and
>hispanics
>are almost non-existant.
>
>Mark

The activities that I like (windsurf, volleyball, and rollerblade) are also 
under-represented by Asians.  So my chance of asking AsF out is limited.
Also I find it uncomfortable asking an AsF out
because:

1.  Most of the AsF I know are not very athletic nor into athletic
stuffs.  I once had a supposely biking date (with an AsF) turned into a
10-minute-biking-plus-one-hour-shopping-at-Bloomindale date.  Some AF
just think of me as plain weird becuase I pray for winds (so I can
windsurf) instead of praying god.

2.  Some of the AsF are little bit too status-conscious.  An AsF in college once
dropped me a hint that she would not marry anyone unless he has a PHD.
Another premed AsF repeatedly told me that I should switch from
engineering to medicine (yuck, I almost flunked organic chemistry).
Maybe a lot of this has to do with the brainwashing from AA parents (I
hope this is not typical of AA parents).  I did not grow up with my
parents (dad chinese, mom chinese/vietnamese) so I dunno much about
parents influencing kids. 

I do find AsF attractive, afterall I am an oversea-born-asian-male so I
should date AsF right.  Dont you AM's out there hate it when people at
work just try to set you up with whatever AsF they know without even
bother to find out if you share any common interest. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lchsu@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Leon Hsu)
Subject: Re: Why do all people whine? (was Re: Why do minority groups whine?)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:31:04 GMT

OK ... I lied ... I'm still reading this news group

In article <1992Aug11.214540.13684@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com writes:
>Sorry, but whining sure sounds like an American thing to me.  Don't forget
>what the last letter in scaa stands for.


Man, am I ever tempted to say that, yes whining is an American thing and
only Americans whine. Goddamn Americans! Complain about everything!  :)

Seriously though, I think whining is a little more widespread than just
America. Hmmm ... maybe this is time for me to chatise you for being
typically american by being Americo-centric. [insert diatribe on evils
of American society]  :)

Well, enough crap from me ... back to your regularly scheduled SCAA postings.

-leon.
From: lchsu@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Leon Hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:59:12 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <23461@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj, clueless old white boy) writes:
>the "so, JJ, where were YOUR parents invested during the 
>'39 crash" 

'39 crash? You probably mean the '29 crash. No wonder you call yourself
clueless.

>Of course, you have the good ol' 'Merkin elite like Teddy
>Chappaquiddick Kennedy to blame for some of that, what with

Yeah ... kennedy ...a good ol' 'Merkin elite, of Catholic Irish
descent. Nice how those immigrants were able to find their way into
the elite and become "the royal family of the USA". Say, you
don't think it might have been harder if they were black, or
yellow do ya? Nah ... couldn't be ... this is AMERICA -- HOME OF
THE BRAVE AND LAND OF THE FREE ... THE LAND OF OPPURTUNITY, WHERE
THE STREETS ARE PAVED IN GOLD. WHERE EVERY MAN AND WOMAN IS EQUAL.


get a clue.

-leon.
From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Inside or Outside Re: Caucasians don't understand
Date: 15 Aug 92 04:53:37 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american

angeli@infocomm.com writes:
|I disagree.  Someone (can't recall who right this second) else has said
|in the past week that *sometimes* an outsider has a better perspective
|because they're objective and not in the middle of things.  I'm not
|saying that this is necessarily true of racism, but implying "that anyone
|lacking first hand experience at being the receiving end of extreme
|racism" cannot possibly understand and therefore should not give advice
|is not helpful.

Good point.  Actually, in any kind of conflict, there are at least
three (or more) positions that can influence viewpoints:

1.  one side of the conflict
2.  the other side of the conflict
(add additional positions for a multipolar conflict)
3.  an outsider to the conflict

Note that being in one of the positions does _not_ necessarily
determine for sure what viewpoint the person acquires, but
looking at the conflict from another point of view may give
some additional insight.

In the case of racial discrimination, here might be some of
the positions that people are in:

1.  being discriminated against directly
2.  doing the discrimination
3.  neither of the above, but living in the society where discrimination
is commonly practiced and thus being indirectly affected
4.  living in another society

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Timothy J. Lee                 timlee@btr.com  ...!decwrl!btr!timlee
This message comes with no warranty, not even an implied warranty of
fitness for any particular purpose.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 20:48:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.160506.2844@island.COM> fester@etorofu.island.COM () writes:
>
>If you are defining "elite" as above, then no, it is not easier. As I said, 
>those sorts want to know "your people" and quite frankly don't care how 
>close you are; you either are in or out.
>
>If you don't understand THAT, then you don't understand "power elite" you 
>decry.
>
>Mike

  But does POWER ELITE == WHITE ???  That's what JJ is trying to
  say that he's no more white than we are, solely because he's
  not in the power elite.  A white overseer is certainly not
  in the power elite, but because of his skin color he carries
  the whip, and he is still white.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: One does not a people make (was: Re: Keeping in mind ....)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:51:25 GMT

In article <BsvKKJ.H3r@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> lchsu@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Leon Hsu) writes:
>Interesting ... but did you try playing it backwards at an extra slow speed,
>then filter out the noise? Rumour (Canadian spelling, eh?) has it
>that if you do that with some original copies of his posts, you can
>hear a prayer to Satan.
>
>-leon.
Interesting, I;ve got to try that sometimes when I am bored...REAL bored! :)

RT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Why do minority groups whine?
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 21:50:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.173701.18896@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
jpak@manute.sps.mot.com writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.134428.10334@bnr.ca> thao@bnr.ca (Laly) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug13.034552.2450@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>>...
>>>I had suggested that she come to California to work as a 
>>>spokesmodel for Nissan.
>
>Apparently, she must have taken your advice.  While I'm on the subject of
>your suggestions, I have indeed been thinking about writing short stories,
>maybe for children.  Whether or not they'll be humorous is up to the reader,
>I guess.

I encourage Mr. Pak to pursue this avenue.

>
>Yeah, I'll probably make a point or two about prejudice or awareness in
>them.  Can't help it, I guess.

I advise against it; it would ruin the humor.

>

"BABOON!  BABOON!"  But I digress...

>>>I'm sure that Mr. Pak has her post backed up somewhere.  Perhaps,
>>>he could refresh our memories.
>
>I certainly do.  She was a refreshing breath of fresh air on this newsgroup,
>wasn't she?  In fact, I still have posts of hers from her undergrad days
>at U of XXX.

Yeah.  The atmosphere was polluted by the "smell" of "eggrolls".
Racist, prejudiced, bigotted, stinky eggrolls.

She was a breath of fresh air.

>
>>well, i tried locating her a few seconds ago.  apparently, she is no
>>longer here at bnr.
>
>That's too bad.  But I guess that's good for her.
>
>Well, I would give out her name, but in the spirit of scaa, the group where
>everybody has something to hide, whether it be their real name or their
>ethnicity or the ethnicity of their SO or whatever......

You "kill" me.

>
>I'm not going to tell you.  :-) :-) :-)

How about telling me?  Here name was presented in a public forum by her
own choice.  (unlike people like jj@att.com who likes to hide even that)
I don't think that she would mind a repeat of her name.

What was her name?

Was it "Doan Nguyen"?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Seikatsu no imi wa nan desu ka.            \|  |`      | Don't buy from Toyota;
Shitte itara oshiete kuremasen ka.          | -+-      | especially, don't buy
                                           /| / \      | from Capitol Toyota in
Copyright 1992.                                        | San Jose, California.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Caucasians don't understand
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:02:56 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <1992Aug14.215117.1824@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>,
ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
|>From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
|>Subject: Re: Caucasians don't understand
|>Date: 14 Aug 92 21:51:17 GMT
|>
|>In article <4850@dove.nist.gov> hira@cme.nist.gov writes:
|>>JESUS CHRIST!
|>>
|>>How many times do I have to whine about you defining Caucasian as White.
|>>I'm Indian, which is considered caucasoid, but not White.
|>>Get it straight people!
|>>
|>>Ron
|>>Television: The Drug Of A Nation
|>
|>Well, Ron, the equation of "Caucasian" to "White" is firmly established
|>American English usage.  You can try starting a campaign to change that
|>now, and in, say, 20 years, people in this group will be arguing about it
|>the way we currently argue about "Asian-American vs Oriental".  :-) * 0.5
|>This word usage is the product of some brilliant white minds who decided
|>that all of humanity fell into exactly three strictly distinct categories:
|>Caucasoid (==white), Mongoloid (==Oriental in the current American usage),
|>and Negroid (==black).  The miniscule (ha!) chunk of the world between, say,
|>the Aegean sea to around Burma or thereabouts didn't count, and those people
|>got to be classified haphazardly over the years.  For example, a US supreme
|>court decision in the early 20's (1923? 24?) legally reclassified Armenian
|>immigrants from Mongoloid to Caucasoid, and thus made them eligible for
|>naturalization as US citizens (and thus eligible to own land in California
|>and other states with alien land laws).
|>						--Alan Hu
                             
So why use an AMBIGUOUS term? I never learned that caucasian is equal to white.
Maybe people of "East Asian" descent use it, but I've never heard any Desi 
use it. 

Ron
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@caen.engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: GOP Adopts Buchanan's Wall Against Illegal Immigration
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 11:07:32 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d5
X-Xxdate: Wed, 19 Aug 92 11:07:51 GMT

In article <7751@public.BTR.COM> , timlee@public.btr.com writes:
>|                                      In fact, as jobs that illegals 
>|often take become open (because of "the wall"), there may be an 
>|economic desire to allow more legal immigration to fill them on the
>|part of the business community.
>|
>|Pat Buchanan is full of bluster, but basically he is right on target.
>|The illegal immigration mess is detrimental to both the United States
>|and Mexico alike. 
>
>The simplest way to solve the mess is to legalize it.  Instead of
>going the roundabout way (build wall, see labor shortage, then
>loosen restrictions against immigration) just do it.  That would
>mean less wasted resources going to border patrols and the like.
> 

But once "illegal immigration" is legalized, then the econmic advantage
for the businesses to hire illegal aliens is gone.  Why?  Because now
the businesses must pay these workers at least minimum wage, as opposed
to the less-than-minimum-wage/slave-labor wages that they paid them before
legalization.  Basically, businesses like the situation now because when
they hire illegal aliens, everything can be "black;" no need to pay taxes,
no need to meet minimum pay standards, no need to ensure worker safety, etc.
This is because illegal aliens have no legal means to redress any employer
abuses.

I really do not understand why so-called liberal parties do not make 
solving this situation part of their platform.  The Republicans is the
only party that has offered a solution to this need-to-be-solved situation.


========================================================================
| Michael F. Kamprath           | The University of Michigan           |
| kamprath@caen.engin.umich.edu | Department of Aerospace Engineering  |
|-------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
|       And if a man can't change the world these days,                |
|       I still believe he can change his own destiny.                 |
|                                 --Michael Peters (The Alarm)         |
|                                   "The Spirit of '76"                |
========================================================================
From: dgama@zooid.guild.org (Kevin Page)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: hello
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:08:50 GMT

Hi there all.  :-)
From: frank@owlnet.rice.edu (Frank T. Kang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian-American Guys Superior?
Date: 14 Aug 1992 18:49:19 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Aug14.131821.27162@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:

>>AF.  I dunno, maybe all your friends happen to be Godesses. :-)
> ^^ You mean CF here?

Oops, yup sure do.

>>Whatever you do DON'T tell anyone about our secret.  I wouldn't
>>want the word to get out and be besieged by a horde of women -
>>that would be awful! :-)
>
>  Sure would.  Did you read that excerpt posted by Mike about the
>  exotic Chinese man who spent thousands of years perfecting Ancient
>  Chinese sex secrets?  Oh boy, the next thing you guys will be
>  complaining about white females who are only after you for your exotic
>  stereotypes!  What a role reversal.  AFs will be whining about all
>  the white women taken away "their men"!  Hee he he.  :-)

Yeah, I'm all against it.  Now where do you submit articles for
Cosmopolitan to? :-)

Frank
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lchsu@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Leon Hsu)
Subject: Re: "Caucasian" Re: Caucasians don't understand
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 07:39:04 GMT

In article <7733@public.BTR.COM> timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee) writes:
>Last I looked at a map, the Caucasus mountains were not in India.
>Nor are they more than a small part of the ancestral lands of
>most white people.
>
>I mean, most asian people aren't from Mongolia, are they?

You are truly N.K.
How about reading a little bit of anthropology?

-leon.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, clueless old white boy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:34:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23519
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, clueless old white boy)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <1992Aug21.141655.20807@ee.gatech.edu> wung@eecom.gatech.edu writes:
>In article 23506@alice.att.com, jj@alice.att.com (jj, clueless old white boy) writes:

>>|And I don't agree that I'm significantly "one up".  I have already
>>|said "a little bit", but frankly, damn little, and no comfort
>>|to either of us.

>But you are still one up on me, whether you realize it or not.

What's your problem, Wung?  What does my paragraph above say?
It says I realize it.  It also says that I regard 1 part in 
1 million as utterly pointless.

What is your problem?  Didn't you bother to read my article
before you accused me of saying something I didn't?

I'm sorry to get hostile, but YOU are simply ignoring the
debate, and trying to create a little bit of hatred
by your "proof by exhaustive assertion".

Enough.  Let's move on to something we don't agree on, OK?
-- 
 Bush    *Copyright alice!jj 1992, all rights reserved, except transmission
   vs       *by USENET and like facilities granted.      Said permission is
 Clinton  --    *granted only for complete copies that include this notice.
 Just Say !NO!       *Use on pay-for-read services specifically disallowed.
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, clueless old white boy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:53:41 GMT
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, clueless old white boy)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <1992Aug18.151419.17348@ee.gatech.edu> wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu writes:
>JJ, the real point is this, when I walk into an interview, or a bank loan
>interview, I walk in with baggage because of the way I look.  Given that your 
>average white Joe Blow has the good sense to dress for the occasion, he can

You're missing several points.  Your point is valid, but it is only
A point, and is certainly not the ONLY point.  Any loan application
has 'parents address', 'address of closest living relative' and that
sort of thing, and you may be SURE that the interviewer will
read it.  Likewise for a job interview.    In a loan interview,
I've yet to NOT be asked "what did your parents do for a living",
"did they give you any money", "are you SURE", "you'll have to
have a gift letter for your down payment", (me) "It's NOT a
bloody Gift, my mother HAS no money", "hmmm, write write write",
and then a week later the "where is your gift letter" notice
comes,and they we have to go fight with them, and so on.  You get
the "you can't have possibly have saved that much, where you come from"
and so on.

You're right, the prejudice doesnt' come from the face, it comes
from the paperwork and from the what you sit, the way
you handle situations, etc.

Now, PLEASE note that that doesn't discount your point about
appearance at all!  Just because I point out another wrong doesn't
make what happens to you justifiable.

I must say that I was somewhat provoked by your dismissal
of my point as clothing (dress) related.  How one dresses
is only part of the issue, the issue stands regardless of
how well and/or appropriately one dresses.  Reducing it
to a matter of dress seems periously close to attempting
to dismiss the matter out of hand.

-- 
 Bush    *Copyright alice!jj 1992, all rights reserved, except transmission
   vs       *by USENET and like facilities granted.      Said permission is
 Clinton  --    *granted only for complete copies that include this notice.
 Just Say !NO!       *Use on pay-for-read services specifically disallowed.
From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Accountability, or rather, JJ's lack of it.
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:09:25 GMT
Organization: The RAND Corporation

In article <SHAW.92Aug12003844@whopper.lcs.mit.edu> shaw@whopper.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:
>However, I doubt even you believe that the knowledge that "Ed Hall" is
>actually an alias will not affect people's perceptions of your posts.

Perhaps you've been reading too many spy novels.  Aliases are simply
"assumed names," nothing more.  Even my parents call me "Ed," although
that is not my given name.  I started calling myself that when I was 16,
which was 22 years ago.

I've been on the net for a decade.  So has JJ.  One of my interests,
digital audio and speech processing, happens to be an area JJ is a
respected authority in, so I see his postings a lot.  Even in such
emotionally neutral discourse I've seen him use his full name exactly
once.  So to me he is, simply, "JJ." I must assume he's been sensitive
about using his full name for a long time--much longer than this
newsgroup has existed--or simply likes going by "JJ."

You're the first person I've seen who has taken it personally.

		-Ed Hall
		edhall@rand.org