HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lobsang@unixland.natick.ma.us (Michael Levin)
Subject: Unix/VMS backup product available!
Keywords: unix,vms,backup
Organization: Maine Network Backup
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:06:41 GMT


|
	     	      Announcing availability of
		Utility FOR Internet Archiving (UFORIA)
	       -----------------------------------------

     UFORIA is a full-featured utility that allows BACKUP and RESTORE
operations between any combination of Unix and VMS systems connected
by TCP/IP networks. The main features of UFORIA are:

VERSATILITY - any type of system (Unix or VMS) can be the data source
(client) or data repository (server) or both. Multiple clients can
simultaneously exchange data with multiple servers performing many
BACKUP/RESTORE operations at the same time. Operations can be
initiated by individual users, or operators on server nodes.

FUNCTIONALITY - the full set of necessary operations: backup/restore
of complete file systems as well as separate files, attended and
unattended modes, incremental and full backups, archiving, local
access to backup volumes, and multi-tape volumes. All VMS file types
are supported.

MANAGEABILITY - centralized and distributed control (job pausing,
aborting, etc.), multiple interactive monitoring tools, recovery
procedures, event and error logging.  Comprehensive and flexible
security features allow system managers to tailor UFORIA activity to
their security needs.

PORTABILITY - UFORIA supports multiple platforms, operating systems,
and backup devices (SUN Unix, Ultrix (VAX), Ultrix (RISC), VMS,
different tape devices).  VMS nodes require a TCP/IP package (we
currently support DEC's UCX and TGV's Multinet). A native user
interface is used for each supported operating system.

COMPATIBILITY - platform-independent data format allows you to save
and restore data between different platforms and still preserve
OS-specific file organization; backup tapes can be physically moved
to and read from other operating systems. Cross-platform restores are
supported (with appropriate name and file type changes, etc.).

     If you would like more information on this product, please email
to lobsang@unixworld.natick.ma.us 

UFORIA is produced by Maine Network Backup.

          Unix is a registered trademark of AT&T in the USA and other
          countries. Ultrix, VMS, DCL, UCX, and DEC are trademarks of Digital
          Equipment Corporation. Multinet is a trademark of TGV Inc. SUN
          is a trademark of Sun Microsystems Inc.
-- 
Maine Network Backup
From: C129MDKF@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: biz.comp.software
Subject: Software - HELP !
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:43:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.1992Apr12.164642.20311
Organization: University at Buffalo

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Xref: acsu.buffalo.edu biz.comp.software:113 comp.apps.spreadsheets:227 comp.dat
From: Knight@AppleLink.apple.com (Eric Knight)
Newsgroups: biz.comp.software,comp.apps.spreadsheets,comp.databases,comp.os.msdo
Subject: Mortgage Tracking Software - HELP
Date: 31 Mar 92 21:59:04 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

A business partner of mine just bought over a million dollars worth of
mortgages (they happen to be commerical). He needs to keep track of them and
plans to use his computer to do so.

I guess what he needs is something similar to what banks and credit unions use
to track loans...something that would track all information about who has the
loan, the balance, what the payments are and when they're made, etc. Somewhere
out there is custom software, commercial software, databases, and/or
spreadsheet templates to handle this sort of task. I just don't know where to
look.

Can you help? We can use an a IBM clone or a Macintosh.

THANK YOU!

Eric




 Eric,
      I think you will find the answers to most of your questions in a
 trade magazine called "MORTGAGE BANKING". Every issue is jam-packed with
 ads for all kinds of mortgage tracking software and tracking systems...


           Hope this helps,
                                  Brian P. Molik
                                  C129MDKF@UBVM
                                  Work #716-841-4976
Newsgroups: biz.comp.software
From: lobsang@unixland.natick.ma.us (Michael Levin)
Subject: Addition to UFORIA post
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 14:03:34 GMT

|
    Our post regarding the UFORIA backup product for Unix/VMS
apparently went out with the wrong address given. We are at
lobsang@unixland.natick.ma.us, not unixworld as previously posted. If
you tried to email us at unixworld, and the mail bounced, please try
again at the correct address. We are sorry for any inconvinience.

Maine Network Backup

-- 
Maine Network Backup
From: klimasewski@fccvde.enet.dec.com (Ken Klimasewski)
Newsgroups: biz.comp.software
Subject: PROMPRO 8 software
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:25:01 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


I am looking for some software that will allow me 
to use my LOGICAL DEVICES Prompro-8, prom programmer with my 
computer.

The computer is a IBM clone 386 

LOGICAL DEVICES sells a program called PROLINK but it is for the 
PROMPRO-8X and does not support the earlier version 8.



                                     thanks,
                                       Ken
                                       508-467-2663


Ken Klimasewski	klimasewski@fccvde.enet.dec.com
		--or-- ...!decwrl!fccvde.enet.dec.com!klimasewski
		--or-- klimasewski%fccvde.dec@decwrl.dec.com
From: billd@fps.com (Bill Davidson)
Newsgroups: biz.comp.telebit
Subject: Re: t3000 pep upgrade
Date: 17 Apr 92 06:56:52 GMT
Organization: Cray Research Superservers Inc., San Diego CA, USA

In article <1992Apr09.234655.16604@marcal.uucp> marc@marcal.uucp (Marc Veeneman) writes:
>The T2500 won't pass UseNet news to the T3000.  It fails in V32
>mode with the T3000 just the way it fails with USR's V32s and
>MultiTech's V32s.  We use our modems for UseNet news.

This seems strange.  While I've had a fair amount of problems with the
V.32 implmentation on the T2500, I've had very little trouble talking
to the T2500 with my T3000.  In fact, the T3000 seems to talk to the
T2500 better than a T2500 talks to another T2500.  Strange but true.  I
used to have line drops when I was going T2500<-V.32->T2500 an average
of once per hour.  T3000<-V.32->T2500 it's more like once every ten
hours and it's on *exactly* the same phone lines (the T2500 would drop
the line to a Digicom 9624LE once every 30-60 seconds).  Back when I
was doing T2500<->T2500, I often would use PEP out of frustration (it
never dropped) and just live with the weird jerky interactive
performance.

>It cannot be put into service with a T2500 on the other end.
>With other V32 modems it doesn't seem to have the problem the
>T2500 does.  But there are few V32bis modems in Usenet service,
>none that neighbor our site.

Sad but true.  I have my shiny T3000 and it hardly ever gets used to
its full capacity.  V.32 is about as good as is available most places
I call.  The few times I've actually been able to use V.32bis though
I really liked it.  I wish I could talk my company into buying some
for our local dialups ;-).

--Bill Davidson
Newsgroups: biz.comp.telebit,netcom.modems
From: geethu@netcom.com (Geetha Madhavan)
Subject: PEP Upgrade: Need help
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 00:56:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Summary: PEP T-3000
Followup-To: geethu@netcom.com
Distribution:  world
Keywords: PEP

Hello,

I just bought a T-3000 and got the coupon for PEP upgrade,
What is this upgrade and does it require a modem swap or
is it some boards change?

Any help would make me decide whether I need to sign this!

Regards

... Geetha Madhavan
From: marc@marcal.uucp (Marc Veeneman)
Newsgroups: biz.comp.telebit
Subject: Re: t3000 pep upgrade
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:46:55 GMT
Organization: Marcal Systems Corporation

scott@phlpa.UUCP (Scott Scheingold) writes:

>In article <1992Apr03.143321.2093@marcal.uucp> marc@marcal.uucp (Marc Veeneman) writes:
>>feigin@iis.ethz.ch (Adam W. Feigin) writes:
>>
>I am courious are you talking about the upgrage with the T-2500 or
>3000 or did I miss something about the T-2500.

The T2500 won't pass UseNet news to the T3000.  It fails in V32
mode with the T3000 just the way it fails with USR's V32s and
MultiTech's V32s.  We use our modems for UseNet news.


>>Until Telebit ships those chips, I consider this a $500 loan to
>>them.  The modem is just sitting here, powered down, until they
>>make good on their promise.

>Again being courious the $500 you spent for a modem is that not more
>of a waste than at least putting that in service without the upgrage.

It cannot be put into service with a T2500 on the other end.
With other V32 modems it doesn't seem to have the problem the
T2500 does.  But there are few V32bis modems in Usenet service,
none that neighbor our site.

>I have had mine in use without the upgrade and seen no adverse CPS. I have
>seen good results either way. 

>This of course assumes you will be useing both modems.

>THIS IS NOT A FLAME IN ANY WAY. JUST COURIOUS.

You won't find out if you don't ask.  
-- 
Marc
------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Marc Veeneman  Marcal Systems Corporation  Cary, Illinois U.S.A.
   If at first you don't succeed, you probably won't the second try.
From: billd@fps.com (Bill Davidson)
Newsgroups: biz.comp.telebit
Subject: Re: t3000 pep upgrade
Date: 17 Apr 92 07:04:47 GMT
Organization: Cray Research Superservers Inc., San Diego CA, USA

In article <1992Apr16.023844.17491@news.eng.convex.com> datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri) writes:
>>mode with the T3000 just the way it fails with USR's V32s and
>>MultiTech's V32s.  We use our modems for UseNet news.
>
>>It cannot be put into service with a T2500 on the other end.
>
>Guess what, folks?  V.32 isn't the only modulation scheme in the world.
>I have to believe that the two could talk 2400bps+mnpn.

As I recall, he was talking about moving USENET over this connection.
At current traffic rates, you could do this if you didn't mind tying up
both modems 24 hours per day.  Right now you can still do a full feed
with 2400 baud but just barely and with 24 hours per day connection.
Current rates are in the 20Mb+ range with 16-bit compression.  If it's
a business phone or long distance it will be cheaper to install a
leased line, or buy two high speed modems that can talk to each other
at high speed.

Yeah, sure tying up two expensive modems at a small fraction of their
capability and wasting lots of phone money is something I'm sure
everybody wants to do.

--Bill Davidson
From: gerg@netcom.com (Greg Andrews)
Newsgroups: biz.comp.telebit
Subject: Re: t3000 pep upgrade
Summary: More details, please...
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:12:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Apr09.234655.16604@marcal.uucp> marc@marcal.uucp (Marc Veeneman) writes:
>scott@phlpa.UUCP (Scott Scheingold) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr03.143321.2093@marcal.uucp> marc@marcal.uucp (Marc Veeneman) writes:
>>>feigin@iis.ethz.ch (Adam W. Feigin) writes:
>>>
>>I am courious are you talking about the upgrage with the T-2500 or
>>3000 or did I miss something about the T-2500.
>
>The T2500 won't pass UseNet news to the T3000.  It fails in V32
>mode with the T3000 just the way it fails with USR's V32s and
>MultiTech's V32s.  We use our modems for UseNet news.
>

I connect from a T2500 to a T3000 every couple of days and exchange
compressed and uncompressed files.  It works fine.

Would you be able to provide more information, such as:  Firmware version
in the T2500, connection type with the other modems (e.g. V.32/MNP5),
the register settings in the Telebit modems?

>
>>>Until Telebit ships those chips, I consider this a $500 loan to
>>>them.  The modem is just sitting here, powered down, until they
>>>make good on their promise.
>
>>Again being courious the $500 you spent for a modem is that not more
>>of a waste than at least putting that in service without the upgrage.
>
>It cannot be put into service with a T2500 on the other end.
>With other V32 modems it doesn't seem to have the problem the
>T2500 does.  But there are few V32bis modems in Usenet service,
>none that neighbor our site.
>
>>I have had mine in use without the upgrade and seen no adverse CPS. I have
>>seen good results either way. 
>
>>This of course assumes you will be useing both modems.
>
>>THIS IS NOT A FLAME IN ANY WAY. JUST COURIOUS.
>
>You won't find out if you don't ask.  
>

Interesting observation.  I searched the database of people who have
called Telebit Tech Support and didn't find your name there.  Have
you asked Telebit about the problem you're describing here?


-- 
 .------------------------------------------------------------------.
 |  Greg Andrews   |       UUCP: {amdahl,claris}!netcom!gerg        |
 |                 |   Internet: gerg@netcom.COM                    |
 `------------------------------------------------------------------'
Newsgroups: biz.comp.telebit
From: singh@leland.Stanford.EDU (Harinder Singh)
Subject: FAQ?? First time buyer seeks model suggestions
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 16:49:01 GMT



Hi,

	Is there a low-end T3000 that can be bought first for 9600 baud
uucp use and then upgraded later? What upgrade options would exist for
it and what would they cost later per today's price lists?

	If there is a RELIABLE model that includes fax capability I'd
appreciate pointers towards that too.

	Many thanks,

		Inder
From: davidsen@yeti.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: biz.comp.telebit
Subject: Re: New Promo
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:37:16 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Apr3.020309.13484@csus.edu>, eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes:

|  Hmm, I don't see anything in there about free PEP upgrades for
|  T3000s this time around.  Uh-oh.

  I don't see the upgrade, or T2500's. We would love to have more modems
which do both, preferably the new T3000+upgrade, and we've got at least
50 Tbits here, maybe 100 counting other departments which call our modem
pool, so the right upgrade path would be a real chance to upgrade
people.

  We use 2500's for the pool, but would go to 3000's if the price was
right, I suspect.
-- 
	- bill davidsen (davidsen@crd.ge.com)
	GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
By analysis of usenet source, the hardest part of C to use is the comment
From: U42753@uicvm.uic.edu (Jack Gallagher)
Newsgroups: biz.comp.telebit
Subject: Netblazer as slip/terminal server
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:42:54 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Hello - can anyone help me out?

We just got a NetBlazer the other day.  We were hoping to use it for some
dialup lines in such a way that a user with a PC running SLIP or a user with
a terminal could dial in and get any line, without defining dedicated lines.
Is there any way to set these up so that someone can dial into a line and
cause the NetBlazer to go into a SLIP mode or a terminal server mode on the
fly?  If there is, I haven't been able to find it!  Looks like these might
be a little weak on SLIP.
Any helpful hints out there?

                                              Jack Gallagher
                                              Communications Staff
                                              UIC Computer Center
                                              Phone: 1-312-996-2981
                                              Fax: 1-312-996-6834
                                              Bitnet: U42753@UICVM
                                              Internet: U42753@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: biz.comp.telebit
From: datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: t3000 pep upgrade
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:38:44 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>mode with the T3000 just the way it fails with USR's V32s and
>MultiTech's V32s.  We use our modems for UseNet news.

>It cannot be put into service with a T2500 on the other end.

Guess what, folks?  V.32 isn't the only modulation scheme in the world.
I have to believe that the two could talk 2400bps+mnpn.

-- 


======================================================8--<
Newsgroups: biz.comp.telebit
From: singh@leland.Stanford.EDU (Harinder Singh)
Subject: First time buyer seeks pointers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 16:43:46 GMT


Hi,

	Is there a low-end T3000 that can be bought first for 9600 baud
uucp use and then upgraded later? What upgrade options would exist for
it and what would they cost later per today's price lists?

	If there is a RELIABLE model that includes fax capability I'd
appreciate pointers towards that too.

	Many thanks,

		Inder
From: davidsen@yeti.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: biz.comp.telebit
Subject: PEP + V.32
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:28:59 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY


  I have sent this question off to Telebit, let me ask the net the same
question, and hopefully I'll see the same answer in both places ;-)

  We would like to identify a modem which which does both PEP and V.32
well. We want the spoofing and uucp capability, but we also want to talk
with V.32 systems. Ideally V.32bis+42bis would be great, but plain V.32
will meet the requirements for a generally useful modem.
-- 
	- bill davidsen (davidsen@crd.ge.com)
	GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
By analysis of usenet source, the hardest part of C to use is the comment
From: munroe@dmc.com (Dick Munroe)
Newsgroups: biz.comp.telebit
Subject: Becoming a Telebit distributor?
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:51:25 EDT
Organization: Doyle Munroe Consultants, Inc., Hudson, MA

I run a communication service in the Central Mass area.  I'ld like to offer
Telebit modems to my customers.  What do I have to do to become a Telebit
distributor?  Could the Massachusetts or NE rep for Telebit give me a call to
discuss it?

Thanks
-- 
Dick Munroe				Internet: munroe@dmc.com
Doyle Munroe Consultants, Inc.		UUCP: ...uunet!thehulk!munroe
267 Cox St.				Office: (508) 568-1618
Hudson, Ma.				FAX: (508) 562-1133

GET CONNECTED!!! Send mail to info@dmc.com to find out about DMConnection.
Newsgroups: biz.comp.services
From: gwilliam@isis.cs.du.edu (Gary Williams)
Subject: Voice Mailboxes
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 09:39:59 GMT

                VOICE MAILBOXES
 
Confidential communication.
Starting a business?  Working from your home?  Inexpensive communication.
Receive a new telephone # answered by computer in your own voice.
$9.95 per month.   NO INSTALLATION!   NO CONTRACTS!
 
PLEASE CALL,  THE VOICE CENTRE, AT 1-800-846-0954 FOR MORE INFORMATION.
 
 

Newsgroups: biz.comp.services
From: gwilliam@isis.cs.du.edu (Gary Williams)
Subject: voice mailboxes
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 09:35:40 GMT

Newsgroups: biz.comp.hardware
From: tjebelea@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Tudor Jebelean)
Subject: systolic hardware?
Reply-To: tjebelea@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Tudor Jebelean)
Organization: RISC, J.K. University of Linz, Austria
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:36:24 GMT


My institute (RISC - Linz) is planning to buy some hardware based
on the cellular automata and/or systolic approach.

Can somebody help me with some hints on how to find information
about such devices available on the market?

Are there people which have already used such devices and who would
help me with a [short] description of their experience?

Thank you very much,

Tudor Jebelean            Phone: Austria-7236-3231-20
RISC - Linz,              Fax:   Austria-7236-3338-30
A-4040 Linz, Austria      E-mail: tjebelea@risc.uni-linz.ac.at
From: y90lsv@tdb.uu.se (Linus Svensson)
Newsgroups: biz.comp.hardware
Subject: hej
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:03:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: tdb.1992Apr9.210328.14071
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.

Hejsan!
From: thad@public.BTR.COM (Thaddeus P. Floryan)
Newsgroups: biz.comp.hardware
Subject: Re: Cartridge copying information
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:12:56 GMT
Distribution: rec.games.video
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, Mountain View CA

In article <kk1PiB1w165w@twiki.PDX.COM> lingmann@twiki.PDX.COM (Jeremy Lingmann) writes:
>Does anyone know anything about cartridge duplication.  I'm looking for 
>ANY information I can find on this subject.  I you have some info, please 
>send me e-mail.  Thanks in advance.

What kind of "cartridges" do you want to duplicate?

	.30-06, .223, .270 Winchester, .45ACP
	QIC-24, QIC-40, QIC-150
	Compact Cassette C-60, C-90, C-120, C-180
	VHS or Beta
	DAT
	Exabyte
	Revlon lipstick
	etc.

?????

You MUST be more specific if you expect any help.

Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com (OR) {decwrl, mips, fernwood}!btr!thad ]
Newsgroups: biz.comp.hardware
From: peter@relgyro.stanford.edu (Peter Wiktor)
Subject: WANTED: Siemens PT88s or PT89s ink jet printer
Summary: I'm looking to buy a Siemens PT88s or PT89s ink jet printer
Keywords: Siemens ink jet printer PT88s PT89s wanted
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:22:17 GMT

I'm looking to buy a Siemens PT88s or PT89s ink jet printer.
I'm mostly interested in the ink jet head itself so if
the other stuff doesn't work too well that's probably OK.

                  Peter Wiktor
           telephone: (415) 322 3780
           e-mail: peter@relgyro.stanford.edu

Newsgroups: biz.comp.hardware
From: duns1222@w203zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Martin Dunschen)
Subject: Emulex controller for QIC-24 streamer, where to purchase ?
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 09:17:50 GMT


In our Tektronix UNIX workstation 4337 the controller of the QIC-24
streamer seems to be out of order. 

On the card is printed:

Emulex Corporation ASSY MT0210403 REV

I have never heard of this brand, does anybody know dealers of Emulex hardware
in Germany, or at least in Europe ?

Thank you,

Martin
Newsgroups: biz.comp.hardware
From: rfpfeifl@watcgl.waterloo.edu (Ron Pfeifle)
Subject: optical mice.
Organization: Computer Graphics Laboratory, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:21:43 GMT

Does anyone know of an optical mouse manufacturer in North America.
I already know that Mouse Systems makes them.  Know of anyone else?
(please e-mail to rfpfeifle@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca).

Thanks
Ron
From: brady@castor.cs.uga.edu (Mike Brady)
Newsgroups: ga.general
Subject: Richard Salsman at UGa
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:59:41 GMT
Distribution: ga
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Originator: brady@castor


                    CAPITALISM AND THE ENVIRONMENT:
                     The Virtues of "Exploitation"

                           by Richard Salsman
       Vice President, Financial Institutions Division, Citibank

                          THURSDAY, APRIL 9TH
                       UGA LAW SCHOOL AUDITORIUM
                                 7:30pm

               For more information call (404) 543-6630.

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             with the assistance of The Ayn Rand Institute
Newsgroups: ga.general
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: To N4tii Personal
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 07:59:57 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

I cannot get mail back to you.  Phone me next week at 578 9547.

John
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From: gt5013a@prism.gatech.EDU (Dhaval Anilkumar Vasavada)
Newsgroups: ga.test
Subject: Test
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:01:35 GMT
Distribution: ga
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

This is test#4