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From: roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer)
Subject: Re: MC's Jurassic Park (possible SPOILER)
Organization: QUAD Systems
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:17:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.144528.10415@mtu.edu> ksjohnso@mathlab.mtu.edu(KRIS A. JOHNSON) writes:
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>I heard a nasty rumor that Speilberg(sp?) was going to make the  
>velociraptors 20 feet tall.  Can anyone tell me if this is true.  If it  
>is, I think it is going to take something away from Crichton's story.  In  
>the book the velociraptors are only about 6 feet tall and are very  
>intelligent (can open doors, etc.) Making them 20 feet tall is just like  
>having a few more T. Rex's around.
>Anybody know anything more on this?
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The whole idea of Spielberg making Jurassic Park is a major disappointment.
I really can't say that I much enjoyed any of Spielbergs movies and he
absolutely has no idea how to do a hardcore SF movie. I wish a real director
or at least someone whose managed to grow up, would get a chance at such
prime material.

-- 

Roland Besserer
QUAD Systems
roland@quadsys.com
From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Coppola's "Bram Stoker's Dracula"
Date: 21 Nov 1992 04:39:49 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <41383@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> otran@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Master Sun Tzu ) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.144420.28199@scott.skidmore.edu> dtschett@saims.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter) writes:
>>Agreed- visually stunning and thought -provoking.
>>
>>Anthony Hopkins provided much-needed campy comic releif.
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>- comic relief that should not have been in the film!  I expected
>more from Coppola, but times are changing.  Movies which I believe
>should be dramatic, I mean without any comic relief, are being
>transformed into pseudo-comic/dramatic or the like.  Such scenes
>ruin a 'good' movie; take The Godfather for example, what would it
B>be like if any of the main characters said a 'hoaky' or 'cheesy'
>line.  It just wouldn't go; it's just senseless.  If a movie is
>surpose to be a comedy, then that's fine, but otherwise leave the
>wise cracks out of it.  You just can't try to satisfy everyone,
>which is what it seems movie makers are trying to do.  Aside from
>this and the movie's overall lack of organization, it was an ok
>movie saved by its visual effects.  Just my 2 cents.

	There's a long tradition of this; even Hamlet made bad puns after
he killed Polonius, MacBeth had the porter scene, all the way up to Jack Ryan
calling home to check on his family at the most ridiculous time in The Sum of
All Fears.  The writers recognize that comic relief is necessary to keep a
work from collapsing under its own weight.  It's possible to do it very well
indeed (as was the case with Dracula) or very poorly (any Roger Moore James
Bond film).

							-Jay
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Anthony Hopkins
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:23:59 GMT
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In article <BxtIqu.3u2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> nancyl@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu  
(Nancy Lellenberg Bentrup) writes:
> Would love to know of other movies he has been in.  Just rented "84
> Charing Cross Road" which was nice.  And will be seeing "Dracula"  
at
> some point.  Have seen "Silence of the Lambs".    Any suggestions/
> reviews would be very welcomed.... thanks.

Hopkins is wonderul in Howard's End.

His performance in Magic is also quite good.

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  
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From: Cindy_Bale@net.com (Cindy Bale)
Subject: Re: Dracula sucked (spoilers)
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:04:54 GMT

In article <3220097@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, gph@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (G. Paul
Houtz) wrote:
> 
> gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris) writes:
> >
> >	Well, the woman I saw it with disliked it as much as I did.  Flaws she
> >pointed out were the trivialization of Van Helsing, the surgical removal of any
> >horror involved in the ship voyage to England, the gratuitousness of Seward's
> >addiction (so he's an addict.  This remains unimportant throughout the film),


Seward is probably not a morphine addict.  I thought that the point of the
sequence in which Dr. Seward injects himself with morphine was that
Dracula, upon his approach to London, had brought about a storm that would
cause everyone and every beast to behave in an abnormal way.  Dracula
claims to be able to control the storms and the beasts.  The storm is
amassive demonstration of Dracula's power.  The same explanation goes for
Mina's and Lucy's kiss in the garden in the rain, as well as the wolf
escaping from the zoo.


> >the excision of Holmwood's reluctance to accede to Van Helsing's request to
> >decapitate Lucy (which took days in the novel), the gratuitousness of Dracula's
> >latex-bound form, the inaccuracy of the period of the costumes, and the com-
> >plete woodenness and interchangeability of Seward, Morris, Holmwood & Harker.
> >Granted, the visuals were nice, and Ryder and Oldman gave good performances,
> >but Hopkins' over-the-top performance as Van Helsing destroyed the atmosphere,
> >and Coppola's vacillating between Dracula as blood-sucking monster and Dracula
> >as love-starved tragic figure kept us from reaching any kind of understanding
> >of the character.  Overall, a pretty picture to look at, but it doesn't bear
> >up to thinking.
> >----------


I do agree that Dracula does not bear up under too much thinking. 
Question:  What does Mina mean when she says, "Take me away from all this
death"?  Seems that she is unclear on the concept of being a vampire...


> 
>    Good critical analysis, George. 
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>    I don't buy into the whole christianity thing, so I wonder if that is
>    another reason why the film utterly failed to move me.   I also thought
>    it was extremely heavy handed that in Godfather I, a bunch of murders and
>    violence happen interspersed with scenes from the church where the baptism
>    is occuring, and in BSD, scenes of violence are interspersed with scenes
>    from the church where the Harker's wedding is occurring.   
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>    I think Coppola has gotten a bit too much of himself.


I believe that Coppola's point in juxtaposing the Christian wedding and the
vampire wedding was that blood (of Christ, and between the vampire and his
victim) is a sacrament in both ceremonies.  Blood is a major symbol
throughout BSD.
Xref: sparky rec.arts.movies:33326 alt.postmodern:2736 alt.cult-movies:10469
From: tjk5@po.cwru.edu (Timothy Kordas)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.postmodern,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Peter Greenaway
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:52:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Keywords: macabre, michael nyman, dutch baroque

In article <malcolm.722113571@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
>From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
>Subject: Re: Peter Greenaway
>Keywords: macabre, michael nyman, dutch baroque
>Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:06:11 GMT
>tjk5@po.cwru.edu (Timothy Kordas) writes:
>>>
>>>john N (whose favourite PG films are some of the shorts, like
>>>`A Walk through H', Drowning By Numbers, & TDC, & who
>>> hasn't yet seen `The Falls')
>>                   ^^^^^^^^^
>>SEE IT!!!!!!
>>it helps to have seen _Vertical Features Remake_
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>>BTW: I watched _A Walk Through H_ _Vertical Features Remake_ and _The Falls_
>>right after one another (that it in the SAME evening) and I have to say that
>>I lost interest in _The Falls_ during the middle, so does anybody know if it
>>is available on video anywhere--or better yet anywhere that shows it ??
...
>Nevertheless, we returned the following evening for more shorts. This included
>A walk through H, Vertical Features Remake, and I think perhaps something
>else. This evening was a little more fun. Vertical Features remake appeared
>to use some images or references to other films - one I caught was a water
>tower turned into a film vault that was shown and mentioned in a short or in 
>The Falls. I suspect there were other references - one character (Tools Luper?)
>is referred to in Vertical Features Remake and another one. I think the 
>other one he was mentioned in was A Walk through H, but I may have the title
>mixed up - I think A Walk Through H was the one about a series of maps (126?)?
>These films were in general much more interesting to me, but still a bit
>placid and slow at times.

I think there were 121 maps (numbers seem to be very important to Greenaway
who also seems obsessed with indexing and catagorizing things)...There also
were 11 pictures in _Vertical Features Remake_ (which got pretty tedious
after the second or third remake...:-) )...

It helps a LOT (as far as catching the same characters named in each movie)
to see the films in the order that they were made (The Cleveland 
Cinematheque's Greenaway weekend-last May-showed them in order---VERY 
helpful):
A walk through H
Vertical Features Remake
The Falls
...


Tuls Luper is in a whole buch of them--or at least is mentioned.

I still can barely keep a straight face whenever I see the BFI logo
(British Film Institute) before a (Non-Greenaway) film....


Another believer in the responsibility of birds
and an advocate for the natural development of the landscape


-Tim Kordas
kordas@snowhite.eeap.cwru.edu
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: THE ABSOLUTE WORST MOVIE OF ALL TIME
Date: 21 Nov 92 16:30:19
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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In-reply-to: x91kozlowsk3@gw.wmich.edu's message of 21 Nov 92 13:41:46 EST

x91kozlowsk3@gw.wmich.edu writes:
|YOU'VE NEVER SEEN "LEONARD PART 6" HAVE YOU?

Worst movie I've ever sat all the way thru.
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From: "james kewageshig" <james.kewageshig@canrem.com>
Subject: extended versions on
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Organization: Canada Remote Systems
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Date: 20 Nov 92 19:31:37 EST

bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:

RC>'Manhunter' had a scene where Graham went to the home of the next intended
RC>victims.

At what part of the movie did this occur?  In the movie he didn't know
who the next family was to be, he just knew that he had to find the
'Tooth Fairy' before he struck again, and figured out who he was
on the flight bakc to Washington, or wherever...
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From: lcd@ais.org (Leon Dent)
Subject: Final Approach; Did it show in theaters?
Organization: UMCC
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:40:06 GMT

I first saw the trailer for this film on E! entertainment network.  I found
it intriguing, though I only saw it once this summer.  After renting Black
Robe, I saw it again among others in the 15 min. ad beginning that tape.
This prompted me to rent it, and wonder if it ever played in theaters?
Its major claim was the first all digitally processed soundtrack (or
some such).

Did anybody see it in a theater?  Was the sound all that great?

Leon Dent
lcd@ais.org
From: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Laurie Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Of Mice and Men
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:38:40 GMT
Reply-To: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: ansible.pubs.stratus.com

This is a loving, very literal translation of John Steinbeck's short novel of  
migrant workers and friendship.  Gary Sinise (George AND the director of this  
fine film), John Malcovick, Ray Walston, and Sherilyn Fenn give extraordinary  
performances in this movie.  It is a gem.

*  NeXT: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com * GEnie:  Laurie.Mann  *
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***** "Hollywood still doesn't get it." Dan Quayle, 9/21/92 *****
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***********    Gee, do you think he gets it now????   ***********
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:24:53 -0500 
From: Benjamin Rudd Schoenberg <bs26+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Dracula font

Someone posted a while back asking about the lettering in the titles of
"Bram Stoker's Dracula".

When I saw it, I noticed that in a word with repeated letters there were
little differences in the letters.  For example, in the word "Winona"
there would be a slightly different curve to the "n"s.

Anyway, it looks like all the titles were done by hand.  I think this
increases the chances that the font is newly created.
-Ben
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From: lew@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (lewis.h.mammel..jr)
Subject: Re: Dracula mistake maybe
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:59:10 GMT
Summary: the darkside

In article <1992Nov17.043128.14266@news.columbia.edu>, egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
> In article <Bxu8D1.LxG@inews.Intel.COM> mdouglas@cad067.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Maria Douglas ) writes:

> .............................  We may consider, for instance, Lucy and
> Mina to be in a sense the same person.  ...........................

Yes, and we may also consider that Dracula is Harker.

Lew Mammel, Jr.
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From: dtschett@saims.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter)
Subject: Re: Dracula sucked
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:46:42 GMT


A quick scan of the Net shows that women liked this movie as a whole
and men were critical.  The guy I saw it with agrees with you-he was bored.
I really enjoyed it. :>
From: hamster@werple.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Creative "Bleeping"
Date: 17 Nov 1992 01:13:16 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
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greg@ctpm.uq.oz.au (Greg Hall) writes:

>Anyone notice the un-bleeped version of Altered States with William Hurt on
>Australian television last night? I watched for about 20 minutes and 
>couldn't find a single dubbed 'f'-word in that time. Isn't this just a little
>odd for Aus TV?? What would the ABT have to say? (Ooo-eerr)


Channel 9 do that all the time. Recent screenings like "Personal Best"
and "Klute" come to mind. They'll only let 'em out uncut in late
timeslots, though. And to the best of my knowledge, it's not against
Australian broadcasting guidelines... :-)

-- 
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hamster@werple.apana.org.au         | I knew him backwards!"
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: spike lee &  boston celtics
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:48:16 GMT

In article <1edgopINNebb@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver) writes:
>In article <1ed5rlINN8br@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> joneil@heretix.East.Sun.COM writes:
>>i have never seen any spike lee movies, but i understand he has a problem with
>>Larry Bird and the Celtics. I read a interview where he states he hopes the 
>>Red sox and the Celtics never win another game.  Does anyone know any more
>>info on this, just what is this guy's problem.
>
>	I'm inclined to say he's just a jerk.  However, it often seems by his
>actions that he doesn't like white people, and both the Celtics and the Sox
>are both predominately white, and Larry Bird would seem to be particurally
>offesnive to him, a white man good at a "black man's game".
>
>	I realize what I'm saying could be viewed as racist by someone who
>really wanted to view it that way (and there'd probably be no convincing that
>person that it isn't so why bother trying), but Lee really encourages this
>idea; I believe he said he would only talk to black reporters about Malcom X
>(open-minded, eh?) and his fixation with making movies that are about black
>people first and people second seems more pervasive than Oliver Stone's stuck-
>in-the-sixties trauma.
>
>	I too have not seen any of his films, and probably won't for a long
>time - they just haven't appealed to me.  But comments like the ones about the
>Celtics, the Red Sox, and his encouraging of kids to SKIP SCHOOL to see Malcom
>X really don't help in making me want to.
>
>							-Jay

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From: kinsler@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Paul Kinsler)
Subject: Jarman (Re: Peter Greenaway)
Keywords: ocelot quantum demolition enfeoffment
Organization: Physics Dept. The University of Queensland
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:43:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.135831@aifh.ed.ac.uk>, davidw@aifh.ed.ac.uk (David Wren) writes:
|> The film that Greenaway is working on at the moment is called "500 Men on 
|> Horseback", I think. Sounds like typical Greenaway! I agree that Prospero's
|> Books was not one of his best. Stunning to look at and listen to, though, and much
|> better than Jarman's horrible version of "The Tempest".

I havn't seen ''Jarman's horrible version of "The Tempest"'', but i saw his
Edward II a few months ago, and thought it very good. I preferred the 
atmosphere of Edward II to the Greenaway films I have seen - both are 
very cold and brutal - but EdwardII seemed a bit more "human", as
opposed to Greenaway films which always seem very remote.

I haven't seen Prospero's Books, it didn't last long enough in the cinemas
for me to see it - a bit of a pain since I suspect it wont work on video...
-- 
+soluble fish+
Masks beneath masks until suddenly the bare bloodless skull.
Salman Rushdie, "The Satanic Verses"
From: redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: "Bram Stoker's Dracula" hits big, first weekend
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:31:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov17.233125.5996
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <R1HeuB1w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> pkedrosk@student.business.uwo.ca (Paul S. Kedrosky) writes:
>dika@wam.umd.edu (Ting Lin) writes:
>[stuff deleted]
>> middle IMHO).  I think that the reason that some of my friends didn't like it
>> is because they were expecting a real thriller.  With Anthony Hopkins and 
>> Martin Scorcese there is got to be excitement galore or at least a good scare
>> in this flick.  
>[more stuff deleted]
>
>I assume when you talk about Scorcese you are referring to his very
>brief cameo. Personally, I found it one of the most shocking scenes 
>in the film. Who would have thought he had it in him?
>
	I missed this!  I know what Scorcese looks like, but I didn't
see him anywhere.  Where and when does this happen???

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|       a.k.a. Redrum         |               I'm here to rescue you." |
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From: sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Malcolm X controversies
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:22:23 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

kimp@rpi.edu (Phil Kim) writes:

- I heard that some people are protesting against the opening of X.  Any
- one know why?

People are saying that the Malcolm X movie is going to stir people up, 
and create a new wave of violence, which I think is totally silly. I am 
counting down the hours now to the opening of the movie!


Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
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From: redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick)
Subject: Re: Favorite Vampire one-liners
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:41:16 GMT

In article <Bxwxzq.IHn@world.std.com> rjk@world.std.com (robert j kolker) writes:
>Here are my favorite vampire one-liners from the Vampire movies I have seen:
>
>	Children of the night, be still! -- Love at First Bite
>
	I think this is actually:
	"Children of the Night . . . Shut Up!"

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|       a.k.a. Redrum         |               I'm here to rescue you." |
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From: walker@Ingres.COM (Lynn Walker)
Subject: Re: Morphing in DRACULA
Summary: translation please  
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: 
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:21:49 GMT

In article <1e8pr6INN9lm@agate.berkeley.edu>, peterme@ocf.berkeley.edu (P writes...
>Coppola keeps talking about how he eschewed post-production effects for
>in-camera effects to capture that "early cinema" feel... However, at the
>end, when Dracula turns back into Vlad (thanks to the light of the Lord)
>wasn't that a morphing effect? And if so, doesn't that throw out Coppola's
>claim of not using high-tech sfx? (If it wasn't a morphing effect, then it 
>was a series of dissolves, but the transformation seemed too smooth to these
>eyes...)
> 
>Just curious!
> 
For the benefit of all us non-technical film buffs....what is MORPHING?
Thanks.

			-- Lynn --

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  Lynn Walker		+ "When you think about it, the whole idea of two guys
  Toronto, Canada	+  making decisions for twenty million people--that's
  walker@ingres.com	+  pretty funny."		-- The Candidate
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From: mdouglas@cad067.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Maria Douglas )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Dracula mistake maybe
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:03:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Intel Corp.


-- 
Elizabeth Levy writes:

	I thought this was intentional.  His hair turns grey when confronting
	Dracula directly, and reverts when they are no longer facing each
	other (though not all the way to black).  They are supposed to be
	contrasted with each other (since both are in love with Mina), and
	Harker is in some sense more pallid than the Count (the former being a
	proper Victorian gentleman, the latter being a virile foreigner).  The
	hair perhaps emphasizes this point.

Someone else mentioned this "intentionality" as well.  For me, it's too
goofy; it carries symbolism of some sort that is overly contrived.  

M-
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Maria E. Douglas	(408) 765-4728		    
Intel Corporation	mdouglas@cadev6.intel.com  

No quote.  Not today.  I've said enough already.

I don't speak for Intel, either.
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