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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Dictionary of American and British Usage
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 23:30:12 GMT


In article <1992Apr10.172602.13017@morrow.stanford.edu>
francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:

>Daan Sandee writes:

>	Is the word "czar" pronounced wrongly, i.e. "zar", in Britain, 
>	as it is in America ?

The Typo Deity *always* gets those who are too secure; keep
that in mind!  :-)

>In Britain Czar is pronounced Zar. Correctly. This is not, of course, how

I've always thought it strange that czar is ever spelled
that way and not always spelled tsar.  The cz spelling
always evokes Polish to my eye, leading me to want to say
"char" (as in charred, not as in character).  Tsar is rather
closer to the Russian word (though still quite far, since in
Russian the a is heightened and the r is palatalized).

I don't know the history of this particular orthography.  C
does indicate the ts sound in the Slavic languages that
don't use Cyrillic.  But in that case, I don't know how the
z got in there.

But I'd agree that zar is a correct pronunciation in American
English; I assume it's the same in Britain.

>the Ruassians pronounce it, but why should we be so constrained? In any 

Please, no editorializing; they *can* be obnoxious, but still ...

>case, "right" and "wring" have moral connotations that are out of place

The wringing is presumably a hand gesture accompanied by
hair-tearing and tooth-gnashing at the prospect of not being
morally correct.  Who could blame us?

>in  this kind of discuassion. So there.

As I said, the Typo Deity requires regular offerings;
such is her moral suasion.

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From: smithj@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Jeremy Smith)
Subject: Re: Missing syllables in place names
Organization: CS Dept. Oregon State University, Corvallis, Oregon.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:57:32 GMT

In article <wcsjc.703444304@cunews> wcsjc@alfred.carleton.ca (John Coughlin) writes:
>How about Maryleborne(sp?) in London, pronounced "Marlybone".


Marylebone (Mary the Good); I pronuonce it mar* le bone (*=schwa)


-- 
Jeremy |-) Smith	The Tao of Wayne and Garth: "Way!"
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From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (G Toal)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Accidental cross-posting
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:32:01 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Apr12.231543.18109@willamette.edu> jmacvean@willamette.edu (Jennifer Mac vean) writes:
>I would like to apologize for accidentally cross-posting to alt.usage.english
>and flirting with everyobody here.  It was not my intention.  I did not

No problem - not *nearly* enough flirting on a.u.e ;-)

>realize until too late that it had been cross-posted out of soc.bi.  I hope
>y'all  (to borrow a Southern US-ism) don't mind too much.  By the way, I
>pronounce "mary" and "marry" the same, and "merry" only slightly different.
>How is "marry" pronounced, if not like "mary?"  Feel free to respond here or
>via email.			Lynne

Hee hee - another soc.bi convert to alt.usage.english! (As you'll soon
find out, half the gang's here already).

Marry in UK English uses the vowel in Carry; Mary uses the vowel in Eight.

Of course if you don't pronounce either of those words as we do, that
info won't help :-)  Makes answering questions like this difficult. We
could of course answer definitively using the International Phonetic
Alphabet (IPA) - but folks who ask questions like that are unlikely to
know the IPA anyway.  I could always phone you and give you a sample ;-)

Regards
   Graham
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From: charlie@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Charles Geyer)
Subject: Re: Question: Multiply or multiplication ?
Organization: School of Statistics, University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:15:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.164136.941@alf.uib.no> erikb@eik.ii.uib.no (Erik Boman)
writes:

> I have a question to English speaking persons with some knowledge
> of mathematics. I am writing my graduate thesis in English
> (that's a foreign language to me), and I am somewhat confused about the
> usage of the words "multiply" and "multiplication".
> Normally, "multiply" is a verb and "multiplication" is a noun.
> But in the context of linear algebra, the operation of 
> multiplying matrices is sometimes called 
>   "a matrix multiply"
> instead of
>   "a matrix multiplication".

I have never heard that usage except in talk about computer programming.
IMHO it is not English but cute hacker talk which follows the principle
that all verbs can be nouned and vice versa.

-- 
Charles Geyer
School of Statistics
University of Minnesota
charlie@umnstat.stat.umn.edu
Xref: sparky alt.usage.english:2927 soc.culture.british:6097
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Dictionary of American and British Usage
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:51:46 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Apr10.023453.4489@news2.cis.umn.edu> charlie@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Charles Geyer) writes:
> letter (school sports),
>> Note from mum to get off games
>
>Not hardly.  A big felt letter sewn on a sweater that says one "lettered"
>in a varsity sport (essentially, was on the team and really played).

Oh you mean a *blue* :-)

Thanks for all the edification.  Maybe I should do a Britquiz for
*your* enjoyment.  That was fun.

Graham
From: angi@castle.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: pronunciation of British names
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:20:53 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

userisra@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca writes:
>   Well, if it makes you feel any better, even the English sometimes
>have trouble with English names.

There are also some good Scots names, particularly place names. How
about:

Kilnconquhar   pronounced    kin-NUCK-er
Milngavie      pronounced    mil-GUY        as in you guys
Menzies        pronounced    MING-us
Leuchars       pronounced    LU-kers

Angi
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From: ethanb@ptolemy.astro.washington.edu (Ethan Bradford)
Subject: Liberal/Conservative/Libertarian (was Loaded language)
To: eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
Organization: U. of Washington
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 07:57:45 GMT

In article <ku6e80INNj9l@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout) writes:
   How about 'liberal'? The believe that people are free to define their own
   lives? (The American use of 'liberal' puzzles me, by the way. In the Netherlands
   where I'm from the liberals are right-wing -- free enterprise and that
   sort of thing -- as opposed to the socialists who think that everyone
   is equal.)

In the U.S. we use the term "libertarian" to refer to the view that
the role of the government should be limited in all things.  With a
large "L" it refers to a party which promotes that view.
--

-- Ethan (ethanb@u.washington.edu)
From: gtoal@robobar.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: usage
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:02:48 GMT
Organization: Robobar Ltd., Perivale, Middx., ENGLAND.

In article <1992Apr6.154808.10983@news.cs.brandeis.edu> murray@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
:Is assertion followed by negative over the course of the assertion
:in fact, as asserted, a recent American neologism?   NOT!  The pattern
:has existed in much Elizabethan poetry and drama, occurs in Shakes-
:peare, and can be found as recently as e. e. Cummings who advised
:us to "Pity this poor monster manunkind, not."


Yeah!  Another one for the FAQ file!

(We're getting through them remarkably quickly)

G
PS Have got got the median-strip/verge/roundabout ones in yet?
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From: eepjm@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)
Subject: A whole nother story
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 06:40:13 GMT

In article <69944@ut-emx.uucp>, verbum@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Neal Whitman) writes:

> Is the expression, "That's a whole 'nother story," a Texasism?

It seems to be common enough in Oz.  I use it myself.

> On a related subject, how many think the members of Pink Floyd
> would transcribe the line sung as, "All in all you're just a 
> [pause] nother brick in the wall," dividing the word "another"?

Transcribe?  Transcribe?  Why would a group that don't need no
education write anything down?

Peter.
From: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Darrens and "Bewitched"
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:38:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: sgi417.SLAGLE.92Apr10183824
	<chris.702711118@rufus> <1992Apr9.111817.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au>
Reply-To: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co., Sunnyvale, Ca.
In-reply-to: eepjm@wombat.newcastle.edu.au's message of Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:18:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.111817.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au> eepjm@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan) writes:
   In article <chris.702711118@rufus>, chris@state.COM.AU (Chris Keane) writes:
   > 
   > No, dago (pronounced day-go) is, in a strict interpretation, a spaniard.
   > However, it is also often used to descibe wogs and people of other
   > Mediterranean countries.
   > 
   Confusion alert: "wog" is an Australian corruption of "wop".
   To the best of my knowledge, "wog" does not mean "Italian" outside Australia

----
In many parts of the former British empire, "wog" is a 
derogatory term referring to a member of the native population.


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From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: More importantly, ...
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:02:50 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Mar31.141718.7143@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
dhubin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Donald C Hubin) writes:

[regarding "Hopefully" as a sentence modifier, I wrote]
> >The problem is that it offends many careful speakers of English.  This fact
> >alone suffices to make it bad usage, regardless of how it can be analyzed, or
> >justified, or understood, and regardless of the need it may be serving.

> I recommend _Webster's_Dictionary_of_English_Usage_'s discussion of
> this use of 'hopefully'.  While some (perhaps, many) careful speakers
> of English are offended (well, maybe 'bothered' would be a better
> word) by this usage, many are not and many who once were have changed
> their minds.

And so we have a controversial usage.  I submit that a usage that remains
controversial after so many years and such wide acceptance is not a good one. 
I'm not a particularly strict follower of traditional grammatical forms, and I
embrace many useful or colorful neologisms.  I guess the same could be said by
many who object to this usage.

> The fact is, there just isn't a very nice substitute for
> this usage.  This fact makes it very likely that it will flourish.

And indeed it does.  But I question its necessity.  At the risk of starting
another debate over whether one thing is parallel to another, what if I were to
say "Doubtfully, it's going to rain tomorrow," and ask people to understand it
as "It is to be doubted that ..." or "I doubt that..." or any of the paraphrases
suggested for "hopefully"?  What if I claimed that this peculiar construction
ought to be respected as good English because there's no good substitute?

--
David Casseres
Exclaimer: Wow!
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From: dks@MIT.EDU (Dhanesh K. Samarasan)
Subject: Yet more on IRIE...
To: alt.usage.english.usenet
Command: Send_AEvt(doAutoForward)
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Organization: DEC Palo Alto
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 17:41:35 EST

From AppleLink: <dks> or <dks@mit.edu@internet#>
From  MCI Mail: <dks> or <dks@mit.edu (EMS = Internet)>
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::



Whoever it was who asked about "IRIE" is probably
long gone by now, but here is another possible explanation:


> I once heard some well-known Reggae performer
> say, on stage, that irie means
> something like 'Internally Re-Integrating Everything'
> (I'm fairly vague on the exact words of the acronym - it
> may well have been something different. Also not sure
> whether it was Burning Spear or maybe one of the
> several other Rastafarian performers I've seen over the
> years while I was in the same state of mind :-)
> 
> I expect whatever the acronym was it came after the
> fact, but the Rastafarians in fact are quite fond of
> puns and in their way are quite learned about the
> things they care about, so it doesn't seem
> impossible that the acronym came first.



Cheers,
Dhanesh
  <dks@mit.edu>

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From: userisra@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca (Mark Israel)
Subject: "burd"
Originator: lnds@zeus.biochem.ualberta.ca
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 06:16:01 GMT

In article <Apr.12.21.50.57.1992.1217@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, rarosenb@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Robert Rosenberg) writes:

> As wise man once said, "If B U R D doesn't spell "bird," what does it
> spell?"

   A "burd" is a heroic woman, like the Virgin Mary or Helen of Troy.

   Check the OED, burds and bernes!

userisra@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca		Mark Israel
Instinctive grammatical moralizer.
From: pete@btcase.bt.co.uk (Pete Harris)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: P's and q's
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:14:41 GMT
Distribution: alt.usage.english
Organization: British Telecom, Lion House, London.

Please could someone enlighten me as to the origin of the phrase ...

mind one's p's and q's

(Sorry if this is a FAQ)


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From: dhubin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Donald C Hubin)
Subject: Re: Webster's on Sentence Adverbs
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:05:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr07.224100.22106@robobar.co.uk> gtoal@robobar.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.184410.20647@unx.sas.com> sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes:
>>The only candidate I have for such adverbs is "truthfully," as in
>>
>>	Truthfully, it's been a long week.
>
>Truthfully I am saying it has been a long week, ie I am saying it
>while I am full of truth.
>
>Hopefully, I'm going home => Full of hope I am going home, ie I am
>going home full of hope.
>
>Not the same as the Germanic hopefully at all.

Graham Toal is a bit to terse for me here.  If anything, his
paraphrase of the sentence Gary Merrill gives suggests that there is a
parallel between 'truthfully' and 'hopefully'.  If we are allowed to
have 'truthfully' describe the state of the speaker (being full of
truth), why can't 'hopefully' do the same.  So, 'hopefully, it will
rain soon' gets cached out as, 'hopefully I am saying it will rain
soon'--i.e., 'it will rain soon I am saying full of hope'.  (Notice,
Graham Toal's paraphrase doesn't apply 'truthful' to the subject of
the sentence.  Were the sentence one like, 'truthfully, he's not a
very subtle thinker', the paraphrase would not have the *subject* of
the sentence be full of truth.) 

If Graham Toal has the right paraphrase for 'truthfully', it suggests
that 'hopefully' doesn't stand along in describing what the *speaker*
is full of rather than what the subject of the sentence is full of.
Gary Merrill suggests that this sort of case might soften him up a bit
on the controversial use of 'hopefully'.  Are you feeling any softer,
Gary?  :-)

Don


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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: "Same as above" marks
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 23:04:19 GMT


In article <1992Apr09.144614.9904@microsoft.com>
frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J.  Maloney) writes:

>According my managing editor, who edits out references in
>our programming docs to foo and bar &c, fubar is Army talk for
>"fucked up beyond all relief". And she doesn't want
>profanity, even by reference, in the docs. If this is a folk
>etymology, I wouldn't be a bit surprised; and if it is
>undocumentable, so it goes. But it's gospel around here.

Some years ago, when I was our document person, we got an
*extremely* irate letter from a faculty member who objected
to the filename "crud" in and example in one of our manuals.
Perplexed, we thumbed the pages of various dictionaries,
there to discover that this word *does* refer to shit, not
(as we all had figured) junk.  Lord, it can *so* hard to
be proper!

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From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Stupid suffixes (was: MYRIAD, CHILIAD, OLYMPIAD)
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:50:44 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

> [Greg Franklin submits]
> > Other similar suffixes: thon (marathon, walk-a-thon, telethon)

> [James Hall responds]
> > There's always "holic" (alcoholic, workaholic, chocoholic, frolicholic).

[Charles Geyer adds]
>   -itis meaning something like an enthusiasm (baseballitis)
>   -omat and -omatic
>   -mania and -phobia outside of psychiatry (wrestlemania)
>   -on outside of particle physics (and even inside, e. g., gluon)

I like "rama," and its siblings "orama" and "arama."  I guess it begins with
panorama and maybe diorama -- from there we move on to Scout-o-rama,
truck-o-rama, and in Spanish, my all-time favorite: Hogarama, the name of a
furniture store I once spotted in Costa Rica.  Hogar means home, so the
translation is "Home-a-rama."  But to the Gringo eye and ear, Hogarama has a
certain something that can never be translated.

--
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From: eepjm@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)
Subject: Re: Wayne...
Followup-To: alt.usage.english
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:52:05 GMT

In article <3121@cs.rit.edu>, kdc5072@cs.rit.edu (Kevin D Colagio) writes:
> My recomendation?  Relax, enjoy, and experiment.  Things will come (snicker) up
> as things do, an tastes may change.  I know that I enjoy just being with
> someone, and while this is not always climatic, it is enjoyable.

I wonder weather this was really intended for a.u.e.

Peter.
Xref: sparky alt.usage.english:2881 soc.culture.british:5964
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Dictionary of American and English Usage (part 01/02)
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:42:40 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.

pjs@euclid.JPL.NASA.GOV (Peter J. Scott) writes:

>In article <jwb.702255223@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au>, jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
>> smithj@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Jeremy Smith) writes:
>> 
>> >buck for v : root for
>> 
>> Tsk, tsk. "Root" in English means either rummage around, or have sexual
>> intercourse. 

>I was under the impression that this latter meaning was exclusively
>australian.  Perhaps we need an English<->Australian dictionary as well?

Well Poms of my acquaintance assure me that it is in their patois too.

By all means let's have a dictionary explaining ALL the variants of
English. We can explore the subtle differences between a thong and a
flip-flop; between a speed-hump and a judder-bar, etc. etc.

From my experience, most English-speaking countries now understand
virtually all Americanisms, even if they don't use them (thanks to
Hollywood, and the US TV industry). On the other hand, most of the Old
Commonwealth stick fairly closely to British English. Canadian is perhaps
closest to US English, but even there a lot of British English terms,
phrases and spelling is used.
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From: jmacvean@willamette.edu (Jennifer Mac vean)
Subject: Re: Accidental cross-posting
Organization: Willamette University, Salem, OR
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:15:43 GMT

I would like to apologize for accidentally cross-posting to alt.usage.english
and flirting with everyobody here.  It was not my intention.  I did not
realize until too late that it had been cross-posted out of soc.bi.  I hope
y'all  (to borrow a Southern US-ism) don't mind too much.  By the way, I
pronounce "mary" and "marry" the same, and "merry" only slightly different.
How is "marry" pronounced, if not like "mary?"  Feel free to respond here or
via email.			Lynne
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From: angi@castle.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: South African English
Keywords: english dialect
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:37:11 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

duncan@unisup1.uucp (Duncan Anderson) writes:

>I have been reading the various postings relating to the dichotomy
>between "English" English and American English. 

  <deleted>

>English English			 South African English
>---------------                         ---------------------
>in a short while                        just now
>Tsk					 Ag (pron: ach where "ch" is like "loch")
>All right                               No fine

These South African phrases are equally valid in Scotland.  I wonder if
these came from Scottish emigration (Scotland's most consistent export).
Duncan's surname is a good Scots one.

Angi
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Dictionary of American and British Usage
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 23:10:56 GMT


In article <20039@castle.ed.ac.uk> gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk
(Graham Toal) writes:

>In article <8163@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> sandee@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (Daan Sandee) writes:

>:The Czar of All the Russias ruled by decrees, which were calles ukases.

>Might just be me that's ignorant of it.  I would have used 'fiat' for
>that concept.  Thanks for the explanation.

I believe ukazy *required* that the decree be written down.
Ruling by fiat [fee-aht over here; is it fie-at over
there?], as far as I'm aware, doesn't require that a written
order be issued.

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