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From: momtahan@bnr.ca (Parham Momtahan)
Subject: CANADIAN SKI MARATHON (World's Longest XC Tour)
Keywords: ski, xc
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 14:54:55 GMT


                      THE 27TH CANADIAN SKI MARATHON
      
              The World's longest cross-country ski tour!

       February 13-14, 1993.   Lachute->Montebello->Gatineau, Que'bec.

The Canadian Ski Marathon covers 170 kilometers of breathtaking scenery
over two days. And you are invited.

- It's not a race... it's a wilderness tour for all ages and abilities!
- Set your own distance- from 12 to 170 km (106 miles) over two days!
- No one wins by being first. But there are lots of awards for those 
  who meet their own goals!
- Accommodation from dormitories to the luxurious Chateau Montebello! 
 
So join us on Valentine's weekend. For the beauty of the winter 
landscape, the spirit of camaraderie, and the sense of personal 
achievement.

Entry Deadlines: December 16, 1992; January 15, 1993; February 4, 1993 
                 Entry fee increases with each successive deadline.
                 (Chateau Montebello bookings are on a first come, 
                  first served basis)

Write to: Canadian Ski Marathon, PO Box 400
          Gatineau, Que'bec, J0V 6T9
          Canada.
         (Don't forget to write your name, address, and phone number.)
or call: 819-669-7383
or fax:  819-669-0826 
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

                   LE 27e MARATHON CANADIEN DE SKI
                                 
Venez vous joindre a nous pour l'epreuve de ski de fond plus longue 
du monde. 

les 13 et 14 fevrier 1993. Lachute->Montebello->Gatineau, Que'bec.

Le Marathon canadien de ski se deroule sur 170 kilometres dans un
paysage de toute beaute.
 
- Il ne s'agit pas d'une course, mais d'une randonnee en pleine nature.
  L'epreuve est ouverte a tous, quels que soient l'age et les capacites! 
- Vous choisissez votre distance, entre 12 et 170 kilometres, repartis 
  sur 2 jours! 
- Le but n'est pas d'arriver le premier. Franchir la distance qu'on 
  s'est fixee est la plus belle recompense! 
- L'hebergement varie de dortoirs au luxueux Chateau Montebello! 

Pour la St. Valentin venez vous joindre a nous... Pour la splendeur des
paysages d'hiver, l'esprit de camaraderie, et la satisfaction personelle
d`avoir atteint votre objectif. 

Les dates limites des inscriptions: 16 decembre 1992; 15 janvier 1993;
                                    et 4 fevrier 1993.
    Les frais d'inscription augmentent apres chaque echiance. 
    Les reservation au chateau montebello sont acceptees sur la base 
    du premier arrive premier servi.

Postez a: Marathon, BP 400
          Gatineau, Que'bec, J0V 6T9
          Canada.
     (N'oubliez pas d'ecrire votre nom, adresse, et numero de telephone)
ou appelez:       819-669-7383
ou telecopiez :   819-669-0826 
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Parham Momtahan (momtahan@bnr.ca).  




Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: root@ncube.com (Operator)
Subject: Re: rec.skiing FAQ 08/16 Phone Numbers
Reply-To: root@ncube.com
Organization: nCUBE Corp., Foster City, CA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:20:27 GMT

Glen,

I keep missing part 1 FAQ 01/16. Can you post or send one
to me perfavor?

---



Captain Zod...
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From: eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Info on Chamonix?
Keywords: France
Date: 7 Jan 93 09:32:47 GMT
Organization: FOA, Linkoping, Sweden

dai@kevlar.webo.dg.com (David Iwatsuki) writes:

>I just booked myself onto a group tour to Chamonix, France for mid-feb '93.
>(I've never skied in Europe, so might as well start there!)

>Any advice and impressions from those in the know?

David, boy are you in for a treat! 
Chamonix is IMHO the best skiing area in the Alps. Great skiing, nice night 
lifem beutiful village. The best skiing (again IMHO) is at Argientiere (sp?)
a village at the end of the valley. The area I'm thinking of is called Grand
Monets (I _think_. My memory for names is horribly bad.). It starts with a big
cabin lift at the valley floor. Mid-feb isn't by any chance week 6 (7th - 14th 
feb), is it? I'm in Argientiere (sp ? again) that week.

cheers

--

     Erik Svensson
    Research Officer            National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
 Guided Weapons Division        Stockholm, Sweden      eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se

"The problem with the future is that it keeps turning into the present"
 -- Hobbes
From: bbui@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (J S Bach)
Subject: inexpensive (read real cheap) motel/hotel in Mammoth
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:38:21 GMT

Hi all, does any of you know and have the number of some real cheap motels
or hotels in Mammoth?  Any info is greatly appreciated.
Thanx,
-- Bach --
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: clb@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (carl.l.blesch)
Subject: Re: Train to Winter Park
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:46:05 GMT
Summary: Amtrak was very convenient for me
Keywords: train Winter_Park

I took Amtrak's California Zephyr from Chicago (actually suburban
Naperville) to Winter Park last year, and found it very convenient and
far more price-effective than flying.

Sure, it was a 20-hour overnight trip (left Naperville 4 pm and arrived
at Winter Park around 12 noon the next day), but the convenience of
not having to schlep all my stuff and my kids' stuff from home to
O'Hare airport, then from Stapleton to Winter Park, made Amtrak a
good choice. I live less than 5 miles from Amtrak's suburban Naperville
stop, and the condo I rented in Winter Park (actually nearby Fraser)
was about a mile from the train station. Believe me, with two kids and
six bags of gear, enduring the long ride was far easier than all that
airport schlepping! Besides, the kids and I got a charge out of a
scenic, overnight train ride.

But cost clinched it. Through Winter Park central reservations, the
round-trip coach fare for all three of us (1 adult, 2 kidz under 12)
was just under $300. I'm told the tickets directly from Amtrak would've
costed about $460. No way the airplane could come close - the deeply
discounted air fares are usually blacked out or unavailable during
the holidays when I traveled. And I didn't pay a cent to get to and
from both train stations. If I flew, there would have been parking
charges at O'Hare and shuttle van charges from Stapleton.

I saw the Rio Grande ski train parked on the siding when I got off
the Amtrak train at Fraser. As a previous poster said, it runs on
weekends, but they add a run on some holidays, like President's Day.

Carl Blesch
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd)
Subject: Utah Snowboarding Fatality
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:21:05 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Utah

Yesterday's Salt Lake Tribune carried a story about a 16 year-old man
who died while snowboarding at Snowbird on January 2.

Apparently, he was going through the Black Forest during the height of
a snowstorm, and fell into the creek.  Ski patrolmen found his body
about two hours later.

I went through the Black Forest just the previous week.  I was
considering showing my wife (an intermediate skier) down the trail,
but upon scouting it, I found a blind turn directly into an obstacle
(the creek bed).  The obstacle had been marked with crisscrossed
bamboo poles, but the marker was not visible until the last moment.  I
missed the obstacle easily, but visibility was perfect, and I was
paying careful attention to where I was going, since I was scouting
for the easiest trail.  I'm not sure if this is the same spot where
the fatality occurred.

--
jonathan byrd
jon@apollo.med.utah.edu
From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby)
Subject: Renting size 15 boots in S. CA?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:41:41 GMT
Distribution: ca

I'm going to be taking a big-footed brother-in-law skiing locally.  Which
SoCal ski areas & mountain rental shops (Wrightwood, Running Springs,
Big Bear, etc) rent out men's size 15 ski boots?

Thanks.
-- 
Mark Bixby                         Internet: markb@cccd.edu
Coast Community College District   1370 Adams Avenue
District Information Services      Costa Mesa, CA, USA  92626
Technical Support                  (714) 432-5064
"You can tune a file system, but you can't tune a fish." - tunefs(1M)
From: dlhpfm!tawdlw!tom@abvax.icd.ab.com (Tom Walters)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Any info on the "POD" or "ARC" rooftop carriers?
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 00:37:29 EST
Organization: Southbridge Nights Computing


Hi everyone,

I am trying to locate the name and address (or phone number) of the
company that manufactures a rooftop carrier called the "POD".  I have seen
these clam-shell type carriers on a number of cars at resorts, and was
wondering how I might purchase one.  This particular carrier is made of
fiberglass rather than blow-molded plastic.  It is also gel-coated so that
you can paint it to match your car color.  I think the company that makes them
used to call it the "ARC", and they recently changed the name to "POD".  I
talked to a local ski shop who claims that they can order one for me, but
they want ~$800 for them.  I was hoping to contact the manufacturer to see
if I could buy one direct at a lower cost.

Thanks for your help,
Tom Walters - Southbridge Nights Computing.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: Re: rec.skiing FAQ *[0-9]/1
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:36:02 GMT
Organization: Fly GlenAir
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Glen Baker (glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com) wrote:

 <nothing>

 AAAGH! <madly start examining scripts>. I *hate* holiday power outages!

 ..glen
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: berman@nlm.nih.gov (Lew Berman)
Subject: Sugarloaf
Reply-To: berman@nlm.nih.gov
Organization: National Library of Medicine
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 21:01:56 GMT


Can you give me a list of night spots, restaurants
and things to do at Sugarloaf?  Also is it possible to
purchase reduced lift ticket prices for Sugarloaf
or Sunday River?  How far is Sunday River from
Sugarloaf?  What are the general conditions for both
places right now?  What are the snowfields like?


Thanks,

Lew Berman
National Library of Medicine
Bethesda, MD



Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: root@ncube.com (Operator)
Subject: Blue river
Reply-To: root@ncube.com
Organization: nCUBE Corp., Foster City, CA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:48:03 GMT


Does anyone have any info on Canada's Blue River.
I hear they have helicopter skiing. Where is it, and
what are the prices for helicopter lift and lodging?

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From: bassuk@stein.u.washington.edu (James Bassuk)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Mt. Baker, Washington
Date: 12 Jan 1993 21:16:55 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

chrism@fraser.sfu.ca (Chris J. McKee) writes:

>Anyone know the current prices for lift tickets at Mt. Baker?

$18 weekday; $24.50 weekends.

Conditions that bad at W/B?
From: eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: French holidays ?
Date: 7 Jan 93 10:53:47 GMT
Organization: FOA, Linkoping, Sweden

jo@siesoft.co.uk (Jo Baker) writes:

>Can someone please tell me when it is best to go skiing in France 
>(Val d'Isere/Meribel/Avoriaz etc etc) i.e. when the French are not
>all on holiday too ?   

I'd say Chamonix or maybe Val d'Isere. IMHO.

cheers

--

     Erik Svensson
    Research Officer            National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
 Guided Weapons Division        Stockholm, Sweden      eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se

"The problem with the future is that it keeps turning into the present"
 -- Hobbes
From: bbui@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (J S Bach)
Subject: advice on taking skiing lesson in SoCa wanted
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:31:30 GMT

Hi skiers/netters, I'll be skiing regularly in Big Bear and in Mammoth
this season and I'm considering taking lesson to advance my skills.
I'm a self-taught intermediate skier who has no idea how to get his money
invested well.  So gurus out there please lemme know which resort has the best
instructors and prices.
Thanx a million and see ya all on the slope,
Bach
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com (Erik Radmall)
Subject: Re: Whistler/Blackcomb vs Sun Valley?
Reply-To: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:25:55 GMT

In article 725844109@Xenon.Stanford.EDU, tecot@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Edward M. Tecot) writes:
> eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com (Erik Radmall) writes:
> >In article 291292134929@teunas.mitre.org, jat@linus.mitre.org (Jim Teunas) writes:
> >Sun Valley has consistently excellent bump runs (Holiday being my favorite --
> >no traffic or onlookers). There is a lot of open terrain as well as tree skiing.
> >The bowls on Seattle Ridge are a blast, and there is a lot of room on some of the
> >steeper groomed runs if you just want to cruise.
> 
> >The whole season I worked there, there was _never_ a need to wait in a lift line.
> >Another good thing about SV is that the people who go there tend to be more
> >serious skiers because it is not as accessible as other resorts.
> 
> I couldn't disagree more.  The only place that has more people who ski to be
> seen than Ketchum is Aspen.  Then again, if you're used to skiing in the
> northeast, you'll be right at home; Mt. Baldy has the iciest terrain west of
> the Mississippi.

Baldy _can_ have icy conditions -- just like Jackson, Snowbird, Alta, etc. But
the size of the mountain and variety of terrain make for a lot of really good skiing.
My favorite place for hardcore these days though is definitely Alta/Snowbird.

> 
> Blackcomb/Whistler is far better for the die-hard skiier.

From what I've heard, I would agree -- but I still consider SV to be one of the
best.

Cheers -- Erik.
From: ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:43:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Please explain European Trail Colors
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing


Some years ago when I kept well away from black runs I skied down a red run
from which I had a great view of the whole of a shortish black run.  I skied
down there several times and kept looking at this inviting black run.  There
weren't many people on it, there were no narrow bits, icy looking bits,
precipices or anything that I considered a threat.  In addition it looked nice
and sunny and very wide.

So of course I went up.  I was right about the non-threatening bit but the
whole thing was composed of *soft* steep, deep  moguls.  I wasn't in any danger
but it took me an *awful* long time to get down.  Luckily it was so wide that I
didn't get in anyone's way.

The lesson I learned from this is to send one of my friends up first to suss
out the terrain :-)

Cheers

Brenda
From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Question to more advanced skiers (bumps)
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:00:50 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Distribution: usa
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <BzzD6K.8yI@csn.org> limd@teal.csn.org (Davin Lim) writes:
>
>    ...            It was often the case in the bump workshops that the 
>class had many skiers who were "comfortable" on blues and groomed blacks, but
>still had many problems in the moguls.  However "comfortable" they may have
>been on these groomed runs, most of them could not perform solidly linked,
>short swing turns in a reliable manner.  Medium and long turns were generally
>not a problem, but the dynamic edging, steering, and weighting skills required
>for short turns were not yet learned.  Hence, we spent a good amount of time
>forming the foundation for these skills so they could be transferred into
>the bumps.  

Exactly.  This is the most important thing to know about skiing the bumps. 
The moguls are very effective what would be a minor and inconsequential 
mistake on a groomed run into a serious problem.  Sitting back is one of 
these, and is often related to trouble making the tight controlled short 
turns required in the bumps. 

My most effective bump class started with a wedge turn and uphill christies. 
If you cannot do them equally as well as the instructor, you still need 
work.  It was the second lesson before we ran any serious bumps. 

>            Unfortunately, workshop type classes don't allow for enough time
>to really refine these skills, so the remainder of the class was spent
>trying to teach them what to do in the bumps - even though the basic skills
>still needed work.  A compromise, as always.

So remember, there is no law that you cannot do homework outside of class! 
There is never enough time to perfect these things in class, but if you 
get it right once and know the feeling you seek, you can work out the 
details and develop consistency on your own.  Also, time for my annual 
reminder that doing a few of these exercises is a fantastic way to get 
back to midseason form if you are an infrequent skier due to job or 
residence in a warm clime.  I now work through the usual sequence on my 
second ;-) run on my first day out, and it helps me get sharp with the 
edges and get my timing back. 

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: brunette@netcom.com (Hal Brunette)
Subject: Re: Whistler/Blackcomb: POOR COVERAGE?
Keywords: Whistler, Blackcomb
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:30:56 GMT

In article <1ia68jINNmuc@shelley.u.washington.edu> bassuk@stein.u.washington.edu (James Bassuk) writes:
>
>I'm wondering about what the coverage is REALLY like at W/B.
>Below is an exerpt of a recent post by David Lawson:
>
>
>>       Just returned from a 9-day visit to Vancouver, B.C.
>>       Managed three days of skiing while I was there ....
>
>>Dec 22nd, 1992     Blackcomb Mountain
>>Cloudy, temp -6/-9 (valley/alpine)
>>No lines to speak of.  90cm base.
>>Despite the BIG snowstorm that hit Vancouver the previous weekend,
>>Blackcomb was seriously short of snow. Lots of rocks under the new
>>Glacier Express (great new chair!!) and the Crystal Ridge chair. Most of
>>advanced terrain needed a lot more snow to make it skiable. I had a good
>
>So..........anybody out there with a different perspective?
>

I spent December 22-25 at Blackcomb and I would back up this guy's assessment.
My favorite bump runs, i.e. the Bite, Overbite, & Staircase in the Jersey Cream
basin (now also served by Glacier Express) were closed and for good reason.
Those runs have a lot of big rocks and stumps!  Geez.

What was disappointing was that in comparison to previous years there was more
snow in the valley, but that didn't translate to a larger snowpack at the
alpine.  Blackcomb Glacier actually had bumps.

You don't want to know about the bases of my skis.  I'm not one of those people
who is smart enough to avoid a run just because of the threat of hitting a
few rocks.  Silly me.

Hal
brunette@netcom.com
(408) 247-7845

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com ()
Subject: Report: Squaw Valley, 1/2 - 1/3
Organization: Meta-Software Inc., Campbell, CA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:17:52 GMT

-
     I'm sure someone else has posted Eugene's objective conditions report, so
this is mostly my own opinions.  After spending my precious vacation days
waiting for the roads to clear, I finally managed to hit the slopes Saturday.
I wasn't disappointed, and thoroughly enjoyed myself.

     I went up early Saturday morning.  Watch for patches of ice on I-80 as
early as Auburn Ravine Road.  I was mostly offhandedly dodging small patches
until I came upon a long slick one conveniently marked by a car on it's side.

     Clear skies means it was bloody cold in the morning.  At least one person
told me her thermometer read -18 F. Sunday morning.  The sun warmed things up
very pleasantly by 10:30.

     By now, the new stuff is skier packed, but Saturday it was fine.  I spent
the morning kicking up great clouds of it off Siberia.  I think I've finally
learned how to ski powder.  The only downside was the crowds.  They were about
comparable to Alpine Meadows during spring skiing, ie. as bad as I've ever seen
Squaw.

     Sunday was better, crowd-wise.  The operators didn't even bother assigning
anyone to crowd control, though I couldn't quite ski onto the lifts.  The
standard range of beginner to medium-sized moguls around Shirley Lake allowed
me to make great progress in my bump technique.

     There's one suggestion I'd like to make to Squaw Valley management: run
a parking lot shuttle!!!!  That's one nice creature comfort Alpine has, and
after a *long* day, I miss it.  Glen, are you in a position to suggest this to
the right people?

     On the flip side, three cheers to Squaw for providing free ski checks, and
in several convenient places, too.

							George


-- 
----
George J Wu,  Superior Maker of Technical Snafus,  georgew@metasw.com
Meta-Software,  1300 White Oaks Road,  Campbell, CA 95008,  (408) 369-5400
Never be the first to believe.  Never be the last to deceive.  ---  Chess
From: lobaugh@a.chem.upenn.edu (John Lobaugh)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: XC skating
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:24:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi,

Are there any other places besides Lake Placid on the eastern
coast of the US that offer groomed XC trails where one can
XC skate?

Thanks.
-- 
John "pining for the Gatineaus" lobaugh@a.chem.upenn.edu
From: justin@quince.gac.edu (Justin Pals)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Discount Lift tickets
Keywords: Sorry, none to my knowledge
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:52:44 GMT
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College
NNTP-Posting-Host: quince.gac.edu


Vail and Beavercreek tend to be more tourist areas rather than a local  
areas and I believe they sell tickets through only their own sources.  I  
have never been able to purchase a pass for Vail at a supermarket or ski  
shop.  I tried both Breeze Ski and King Soopers (major grocery store in  
Denver) over Christmas break and was unsuccessful.  Sorry.