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From: Tom Moellering <moeller@convex.com>
Subject: Re: Daniel Amos, DA, etc. on CD?
Originator: moeller@neptune.convex.com
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:01:15 GMT
Reply-To: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In article <1993Jan4.135423.11975@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>In article <1i8oriINNhjl@shelley.u.washington.edu> jmstreck@carson.u.washington.edu (John Streck) writes:
>>dexter@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>By the way, since I hate to chunk down my money without knowing what I'm
>>getting, can anyone describe the style of music on Alarma! or Doppelganger.
>>I have both Eddies discs, Darn Floor, Kalhoun and Vox Humana. Are these others
>>the same (more or less)? Taylor can be rather eclectic--country to techno
>>pop to alternative--and I've both loved and hated what he's done.
>
>"!Alarma!," "Doppelganger," and "Vox Humana" form a trilogy, so there's
>at least a conceptual theme that ties the albums together.   They're 

Make that a series of 4, not 3.  Fearful Symmetry is the final Alarma Chronicle
and was mostly overlooked by most folk.  Being a die-hard DA/Terry Taylor fan
I of course loved it, since I had been tracking from the very first Alarma
Chronicle.  Yeah, it wasn't as good as the other 3, but it was neccessary
for completeness and closure.  Lots more synth, not much guitar, but still
it has its moments as well.

>I like all three albums, but I have a real soft-spot in my heart for
>"Doppelganger."  It's definitely the weirdest and the most unlistenable
>op the three.  For some reason, I find myself listening to it more 
>than the others.  Must be the sarcasm.  

One of my favorite things that I did in my immature college daze was to take
the intro tune of Hollow Man and record it on the left track of a cassette
and record the forward version of same (Ghost of the Heart, I believe, boy
it has been a while) on the right side.  Since Hollow Man was just the same
song backwards, they were both the same length.  It made quite a cool listen
for the die-hard Taylor fan and/or the jaded-backward-masking christian.  (it
was quite the fad back then to 'look under rocks for evil' instead of just
being content with the evil that was plainly evident on the surface of most
rock and roll of the time.)

Anxiously awaiting my CD copies of Alarma, Doppelganger and Vox Humana that I
ordered from CB+S for $11.99 apiece. (Shameless plug here ;-)

--
Tom (moeller@convex.com)
  Haven't seen you in quite a while, was down in the hole, just passing time
            until the END of the WORLD / U2 / Achtung Baby
From: steveso@wpi.WPI.EDU (Steven C Sousa)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Top 40 CCM albums of 1992
Date: 7 Jan 1993 20:33:39 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <SCHOUTEN.93Jan7133208@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu> schouten@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten) writes:
>In article <1igd9hINNg9e@bigboote.WPI.EDU> steveso@wpi.WPI.EDU (Steven C Sousa) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan6.171338.874@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>>>ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>>>> Rush fans tend to be computer scientists.  
>>>
>>>dunno, but i think that's a slam to my profession...
>> 
>> Why do you say that? Rush is one of the most musically gifted bands who have
>> ever picked up guitars and drumsticks! Neil Peart's lyrics are pure poetry as
>> well.
>
>This guy must be in CS . . .

Physics, actually.

>
>:-)
>
>Dale Schouten
>schouten@uiuc.edu


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: bmoore@sunfish.austin.ibm.com (Bryan Moore)
Subject: Re: what songs are these...
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:44:12 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

yang@tatin.ucc.umass.edu (HUAYONG YANG) writes
>Hi, the following are some lines of the songs I heard over the radio for
>many times, but I didn't heard their titles announced (because they are
>too famous?)

>1. (male singer + chorus)
>   I woke up in the morning
>   when my father passed away
>   didn't get to tell him
>   all the things I have to say
>   ...
>   Say, say it loud; say it clear
>   ...
>   it's too late when we die
>
In the Living Years by Mike and the Mechanics (Mike Rutherford from Genesis).
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From: md@theory.esm.rochester.edu (Mike DeMurga)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Daniel Amos, DA, etc. on CD?
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:04:57 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY

In article <1i8oriINNhjl@shelley.u.washington.edu> jmstreck@carson.u.washington.edu (John Streck) writes:
>By the way, since I hate to chunk down my money without knowing what I'm
>getting, can anyone describe the style of music on Alarma! or Doppelganger.
>I have both Eddies discs, Darn Floor, Kalhoun and Vox Humana. Are these others
>the same (more or less)? Taylor can be rather eclectic--country to techno
>pop to alternative--and I've both loved and hated what he's done.
>
>john streck
>jmstreck@u.washington.edu

Alarma! sounds like DA were listening to Bowies "Goldenyears", T. Heads '77
and early 70's california rock.  This has some of their best lyrics and
was an album aimed at the Church.  "Walls of Doubt" was something of
a hit on the more adventursome Christian staions at the time.

Doppelganger, in my opinion, is one of the great Christian albums of
all time.  A little experimental in spots...kind of on the rough side.
Some great guitar and bass playing.  A lot of thought went into the
message behind these songs.  I could see this record scaring some folks
(musically).

-md
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel)
Subject: Re: the ACM Journal
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:20:49 GMT

Hi.  I think Tom mentioned in his opening statements that Family was
a big motivation for shutting down the ACM Journal part of his 
ministry.  A baby is due for the Stephensons.  I was sad, too, because
I finally found a place to publish my comic strip (Boomer!) outside
of my local paper.  Back to the drawing board, so to speak...

Buy the Farewell to Juliet album, due this spring! Please!

Jeff Elbel
Farewell to Juliet
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: YES! Hotel California is Evil!
From: jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:31:34 CST
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu

Well, I've heard the backmasking on the back of the Hotel California Record.

That about ended my liking of the song.



Jason Purcell
From: warrenjr@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Who does song "House of Faith"?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:36:35 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
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In article <1993Jan11.151053.20824@raid.dell.com>, randy@uutopia.dell.com (Randy Price) writes:
>Heard the song on radio, and of course, annoucer did not identify.
>
>Sort rock/funk/alternative.
>
>Randy
>-- 
>Randy Price                      randy@uutopia.dell.com
>

The song "House of Faith" was written by Charlie Peacock but appears on the
album "A Friend Like U" by Geoff Moore and the Distance.  The album was
recently nominated for a Grammy, but I don't think it's that good.

The other recent CCM/Rock Grammy nominees were:

Unseen Power (Petra)
Not Ashamed (Newsboys) 
Pray For Rain (Pray For Rain)
Tales of Wonder (WhiteHeart)

Personally, I would have liked to have seen Mark Heard or Jacob's Trouble
nominated


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Subject: Re: Is "Hotel California" evil?
From: consult5@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Jason Schmidt)
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:12:16 -0600
Reply-To: consult5@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1993Jan5.014711.13957@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
>
>yep, a genuinely musical question.
>My wife had the local radio station on - the one for middle-aged white men
>(why SHE likes it, I don't know), and they had a program on the music of
>the Eagles. I've liked some of their songs, but I always got a bit of a
>creepy feeling when I hear "hotel california." now, i'm not one always 
>looking for demons, but is this song demonic in some way? I asked this to
>a friend and he mentioned something about Anton LeVay. Who's that? 
>Any opinions on "Hotel California"?
>

Even if you take the song to metaphotricly mean hell, it still comes across
as some place i just don't want to go.  So I believe, and I know I will 
recieve some (hate mail), that the song could possibly do some good when used 
at the right time.


re
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Subject: Re: Grammy nominees?
From: consult5@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Jason Schmidt)
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:08:35 -0600
Reply-To: consult5@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1993Jan12.174820.43580@watson.ibm.com>, hook@pong.aix.dfw.ibm.com () writes:
>In article <ecater36.726798653@ursa>, ecater36@ursa.calvin.edu (Evan Cater) writes:
>|> Does anybody know who was nominated in the gospel categories at the Grammies?
>|> 

Please forgive me if I get anything wrong but I threw away my copy of last
weekends USA Today.

Rock/Contemparary Album
	Tales of Wonder - Whiteheart
	Pray for Rain - Pray for Rain
	Unseen Power - Petra
	Not Ushamed - Newsboys

Pop album
	Angels of Mercy - Susan Ashton
	The Great Adventure - Steven Curtis Chapman
	Adicted to Jesus - Carman

That's all I can Remember (I knew I should have kept that paper)

In Christ,

Jason Schmidt
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:51:50 EST
From: Young Indy <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Galacitc Cowboys new CD?

     Has anyone heard any news about the Galactic Cowboys new album yet? The
only news I have heard so far is that it is scheduled for release early this
year, and that the Mars Reprise will be on this one too, but the whole thing
this time. Any other stuff?
     Also, how about Sam Taylor's other projects Atomic Opera and Shadoworld?
I haven't seen anything new on here for a while.....


                                     -Ed

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               Edwin 'Big Ed' Weiland - EMW107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
              Architectural Engineering; Penn State University
   "Oh, His children smile because they know He loves them." -King's X
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From: hgs@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Harry Salvini)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Jon Gibson : Forever Friends
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:13:45 GMT
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
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In article <1993Jan9.201722.16451@ultb.isc.rit.edu> N.G. Brookins,
ngb5865@ultb.isc.rit.edu writes:
>In article <C0Jx98.K0s@austin.ibm.com> you write:
>>Has anyone out there in rec.music.christian land listened to
>>this album? A friend of mine recommended it, and I would like
>>to hear some other reviews before I go out and buy it.
>
>I heard it 2 times and thought it had a lot of repetitiveness to it.
>There is a lot of keyboards and rhythm machines used.
>Its similar to Cindy Morgan's recent album in style.

I went to one of his concerts at the "Scream" near Oakland, CA.  He was
quite sick (a real bad chest cold), but still put on the show.  I was
very impressed by his stage presence, and his sincerity.  The man loves
his Lord.

I think his music is a bit repetitive, but the message is very clear.  He
used to be pt of the Stevie Wonder band, and has that style.

I do enjoy his music and his message.

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From: randy@uutopia.dell.com (Randy Price)
Subject: Who does song "House of Faith"?
Organization: Dell Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:10:53 GMT

Heard the song on radio, and of course, annoucer did not identify.

Sort rock/funk/alternative.

Randy
-- 
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The opinions are my own, not my employers, cognito.
"Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have
removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God"
From: 00sanaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Stupid Hype
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:41:46 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

I think the whole 'abbreviating words with numbers' thing came from
Prince, who, on top of making some absolutely FABULOUS spaghetti
and other pasta products, has consistently spawned some of the most
SLAVISH rip-off song and style attempts in the history of music.
(And should be a poster adult for illiteracy...)

This same slavish rip-off-ery seems to apply to ANY review of ANY
ALBUM in ANY christian (oops, Xtian) magazine.

I don't know if any of you have heard of a Rap artist named Gillum.
He's on the 'Spotted Dog' label from Brentwood. He's a friend of mine,
So I get all the poop on the industry through him.  

(I know, Andy. The soulful allure of rap music still eludes me, too...).

Anyway, one of the mags (of course) compared him to someone in DC-TALK.
They also said 'Legend' would be a good match for anyone who liked a 
list of groups that included 'Giant'. (I wouldn't want to be compared to 
Dann Huff, for fear of humiliation... WHEN is that guy going to learn to 
PLAY??) 

My point is, I don't mind Xtianz trying 2 b l(eye)k the world, az long az we
at don't rip off the STUPID STUFF! (Not!) 


Best attempt at hipping up stupid hype: Van Halen's 'OU812'.

My $.02.




Scott Naylor
University Computing Services
Ball State University (motto: "The University with a lot of......Colleges!"
Muncie, Indiana
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Michael W. Smith Tickets : (
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:54:40 GMT

In <1993Jan10.163444.1@vax1.umkc.edu> jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu writes:

>$18 for Michael W Smith tickets!  :(

>Talk about Change your Bank Balance!

Gee, I dunno...in today's market, $18 is pretty cheap.

Lessee...it cost me $40 to take my wife and I to a football game this
summer...Ottawa Senators tickets are $50 minimum...Smitty's CD itself
was $16.95 plus 15% tax (7% federal GST and 8% provincial sales
tax)....

I think $18 for Michael W. Smith is a steal in today's entertainment
market.

Michael
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Gospel Blues
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:14:18 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Q:  What happens when you play a blues record backwards?

A:  You get your wife and your dog back, and you get out of jail.


-- 
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if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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From: n8846069@henson.cc.wwu.edu (BarryB)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: YES! Hotel California is Evil!
Date: 12 Jan 93 05:59:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1993Jan12.055959.4341
Organization: Western Washington University

vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.) writes:

>>In article <1993Jan10.163134.1@vax1.umkc.edu> jpurcell@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>>>Well, I've heard the backmasking on the back of the Hotel California Record.
>>>
>>>That about ended my liking of the song.
>>>
>>>Jason Purcell

>WHAT backmasking?  I've been to lots of the 'burn your records' seminars, 
>and none of them talked about backmasking on Hotel California (and they
>were pretty thorough in trashing it, too...)  What does it say, and where
>does it say it.  Some guys on my hall have some computer stuff we can use
>to check it out (sample it in, reverse the sample, and play it.  I freaked
>them out with Judas' Kiss...).

I have an audio digitizer for my computer and I have personally
sampled the "Hotel California" song as well as a few others.  The
alleged part in Hotel California is quite questionable at best.
Two friends and I listened to it over and over.  It's a long shot
at best.  It says something that sounds like "Sitan" followed
buy a bunch of stuff that sounds like nothing.  Nobody there was
convinced that it said anything.  I am convinced that a bunch of
anti-secular rock finatics are searching really hard and this
is the best that they could come up with in the song.  Sorry,
it's just not there...

Most songs that have backmasking in them are obvious because
the backmasking has some characteristic audiable qualities.  Several
ones that I've found and sampled and then played backwards:

Soundgarden - UltraMega OK - "665 thru 667"
-------------------------------------------
This is whole song is backwards.  When reversed, it has some
funky ryhmns along with the lead singer *clearly* and repeatadly
wailing "Satan is king!...I love you Satan baby!"  From the tone
in their voices, I feel it's just a joke.  But I didn't find it
very funny.

Last Crack - Burning Time - "Precious Human Stress"
---------------------------------------------------
About half of this song is backwards.  The backwards part
clearly says "Inspiration, God gives it".  That's more like it!  :)

Really, backmasking is no big deal.  There's no evidence to suggest
that your brain can actually decode this stuff.  Very low level/quiet
lyrics are another matter though...

-BarryB
From: butting@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Gospel Blues (was: SCUPRe: Hey, Screamin' Diane
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:16:18 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1993Jan6.094428.13405@bsu-ucs>, 00sanaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
> A friend of mine, a blues guitarist named Governor Davis (group: Governor 
> Davis and the Blues Ambassadors, who have been trying to get me to play but 
> I hate the smoky club blues scene...), wondered how can people doing Gospel 
> music sing the Blues??
> 
> I think this would be cool, the best example being Mark Farner's
> Judgment Day Blues.  But, how many BLUES songs can you really sing?
> 
> I mean, Buddy Guy didn't exactly write stuff like, 'Got my soul saved, yeah,
> but my baby just left town...'.
> 
> Any takers?

Check out (Rev) Gary Davis' back collection - Kaiser/Mansfield et al have
covered this guy - stuff such as "Jesus Coming Soon", "(If I don't read my word
today) Nobody's Fault but Mine", etc.  Also (again, Rev) Robert Wilkins, and
others - Son House may have recorded some gospel blues.  The Kaiser/Mansfield
"Trimmed and Burning" album is a great collection of earlyish and contemporary
gospel blues, with enough covers scattered through it to point you at some of
the awesome figures of the 30's through 50's.

Davis' influence has been picked up right across the industry - shades can be
heard in some of Dire Strait's stuff, and Eric Clapton in particular has been
borrowing off him for most of his career.  Clapton's back catalogue would
possibly be worth a look - one of the Derek and the Dominoes songs had a verse
"There's only one thing left to do/Got to get down on my knees and pray/Can't
do it tomorrow, got to do it today" but discernment is called for - it took
this guy some 20 years to take his own advice...
-- 
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From: uscream@mcl.ucsb.edu (Screamin' Diane d.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Top Albums of 1992
Date: 4 Jan 93 05:41:38 GMT

In <1992Dec15.053121.29526@samba.oit.unc.edu> Phil.Powell@launchpad.unc.edu (Phil Powell) writes:


>Since the end of the year is rapidly coming upon us, it is time for us to
>consider which albums moved us the most this year... here are my picks for
>top albums of 1992:

>(yeah, they're metal, ok?)

>Tourniquet, "Pathogenic Ocular Dissonance" (Intense)

YES YES YES YES!!!  BRILLIANT ALBUM!!!! 

>Living Sacrifice, "Non Existent" (R.E.X.)

>Bride, "Snakes In The Playground" (Star Song)

I think it's up there.  Even non-christian friends of mine like this no. 2
pick of yours.
>Veni Domine, "Fall Babylon Fall" (R.E.X.)

>Sardonyx, "Majestic Serenity" (Lightshine Int'l)
>Phil

I think that my top pick is definitely Adam Again, "Dig".  It is
one of the best albums I have ever heard--Christian or secular.  They
have become one of my total favorites.

Jyradelix, "Jyradelix"  
I absolutely LOVE Psycho-Lizards.

Chris Lizotte and Soul Motion, "Free"

BEST DEMO.-----Cafe Noire, "Through the Glass Darkly"

Bands to watch:
	Raspberry JAM
	the Prayer Chain
	the 77's  (I'm really annoyed by this band, but lets see what
	happens with this release.)

uscream@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu
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From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Subject: Re: YES! Hotel California is Evil!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:06:43 GMT


re: recent discussions about backmasking on Hotel California.
That's not my concern.

As the one who posed the question in the first place, I was more concerned
about the words going *frontwards*. Maybe I haven't been paying attention
closely, but it seems to glorify evil/demonic activity. Not sure how
I got that impression, right now. [NB: I'm NOT "anti-rock" by any means, so
this is not a back-door attempt to slam a musical genre]. Some, in posts
and in email, have likened it to Christian novels about hell.... well,
maybe.... 

if someone would be so kind as to post the lyrics, it might be useful... 

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