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From: U19807@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Samples, Semantics, Death of "Industrial" "Music"
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:42:37 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Jul24.042211.11791@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
bp271@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew N. Sharp) says:
>
>Point One:
>        The word "sample" is overused and misinterpreted among
>        the geeks that post to this group.

Seeing as this is coming from an arrogant,pedantic blowhard of a geek like you,
this should be taken as a compliment,I suppose.

>        Samples are not
>        restricted to the vocal clip soundbites which you seem
>        to hold them as being synonymous with.  Most drum sounds,
>        and other instrumental noises you hear on the average
>        buttgeek Skinny Puppy or Ministry record are samples.  Two
>        seconds of sound is two seconds of sound.  if I had the
>        time I would post a comprehensive list of "samples" to
>        any record by one of these "music" groups, howevere I do not,
>        and furthermore, the very concept of having to listen to
>        the trash again nauseates me greatly.

Why are you posting to this group,then? Is posting a ton of snide whining
and attitudinalizing your psychiatrist's favored form of therapy for his
patients?

>I give "industrial" "music" two more years to die out completely,
>only to be replaced by some other moronic genre of Angry Young Man
>music that white suburban/subhuman geeks will buy, desparately
>grasping for some form of "expression" to identify with, unable
>to understand anything outside the realm of popculture.

What do you recommend we do,oh Master of Wit? C'mon,Matthew,put your cards
on the table. I have printouts that document the era when you constantly
yowled about Skinny Puppy on nm-list, and while you haven't changed your
pathetic tactic of parading your (allegedly) superior learning past your
opponents to refute their arguments,you've stayed equally consistent in your
refusal to provide any alternatives to the "industrial" "music" problem
either.

>I have a friend in the business who holds this same view.

So what. If he's a "business" employee,chances are he's some major label shill
who neither deserves to be listened to or taken seriously. If not,where the
hell does he work? If he doesn't work for a record label,which "industry"
does he work in that's germane to this rant of yours? Why should we believe
his views any more than we should believe yours?

>Be advised: if you wish to make money from the "industrial"
>"movement", do it now, or be forever banished to play what will
>be considered shortly, if it isn't now, passe.

To be replaced by what,in your opinion?

>And isn't that what it all boils down to, anyway?

Nope. It boils down to your apparent inability to post anything of
consequence or intelligence on this newsgroup.

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From: terjesa@ifi.uio.no (Terje Sannum)
Subject: Pouppee Fabrikk/Cat Rapes Dog in Arvika,Sweden. INFO NEEDED!
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:55:19 GMT
Originator: terjesa@yrsa.ifi.uio.no

If anyone have details on this consert, EMail me!
I'm also interested in other conserts, raves etc. in Sweden for the next
14 days...

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From: vacek@athena.cs.uga.edu (George Vacek)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Moshing
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:05:52 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Jul28.154111.27230@beach.csulb.edu> douellet@beach.csulb.edu (Daniel Ouellette) writes:
{some headers deleted}
>>>  One thing I've noticed is that when people start moshing, by and large, they
>>>all move in a counter-clockwise direction. What I was wondering, do people in
>>>the Sounthern Hemisphere mosh in a clockwise direction? :-)
>>
>>I'm not sure if you should direct the question across the equator, so much as
>>across the atlantic.  In most social/crowd situations, as I've grown up, I've
>
>  The reason I directed it across the equator is because of the Coreolis
>effect (I think that's what it's called). Like water running down a drain in
>the Northern Hemisphere is CCW and in the Southern Hemisphere it's CW. It was
>just kind of an interesting phenomenon and I was just wondering....
>
I understood the affect you were refering to in the original note (I happen   
to have a B.S. in Physics) and also noted the :-).  I wasn't trying to flame
you on your phenomenon observation, but only introduce you to another
interesting phenomenon.  Besides, we both know, it's not so important what
direction you mosh, as long as you MOSH IT!

Croag   
vacek@athena.cs.uga.edu
my opinions are my own. -- croag
From: westr@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Robert _FinnAgain_ West)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: INDUSTRIAL ARTZ
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:19:17 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <92072218505@zone4.ocunix.on.ca> andrew@zone4.ocunix.on.ca (Andrew Low) writes:
>In article <2355.928.uupcb@bville.gts.org> John Walter  writes:
>>    Well I would like to hear a review of Industrial Artz CD.  I have
>>heard "MOVE TO THE GROOVE" and "POWER TRIP", but I would like to hear
>>some more, or hear some good comparitive reviews before I rush out and
>>buy the CD...
>
>I've a friend who lent me the album, so I can post a semi-review for you.
>
>Personally I like it overall.  The two tracks you've heard are probably
>the ones which stand out most (I believe there are remixes of them both
>at the end of the CD).  The other songs all feel about the same..  (ie:
>nothing really remarkable, but nothing awful either)
>
>For my taste its a little dancey, but if that's what you're into then
>I'd say its a fairly safe purchase.

	Plus, it has that O-so-relevant "No more coffee... or
cigarettes" line which we all sing amongst our artificial
intelligensia (tm) crowds... ;-)  Great album. At first I thought they
were lame (i.e. the right equipment, the right idea, but they were
limping around) much like what I first thought of Sloppy Wrenchbody.
But, the albums grew on me. Get it. You won't be disappointed.

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From: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: PTV discography?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:40:48 GMT
Organization: Charnel House Prod.

iew21308@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ian E. Wickram) writes:
: 	Does anyone have a discography for Psychick TV?  I remember a while
: back people were kicking back and forth at least a partial listing when
: someone asked about the song "Orchids" on Dreams not so nice.  
: 	Also if there are any TOPY coyotes out there could you clue me in on
: a TOPY mailing list (E-mail or otherwise) as I have lost the Denver address
: I used to be in touch with.

Oh dear, not TOPY.  But hey, if anyone in the Bay Area cares there's
going to be an interview with Gen in next week's _SF Weekly_.


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From: iew21308@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ian E. Wickram)
Subject: PTV discography?
Summary: Post or send me one...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:53:37 GMT

	Does anyone have a discography for Psychick TV?  I remember a while
back people were kicking back and forth at least a partial listing when
someone asked about the song "Orchids" on Dreams not so nice.  
	Also if there are any TOPY coyotes out there could you clue me in on
a TOPY mailing list (E-mail or otherwise) as I have lost the Denver address
I used to be in touch with.
					Yrs in Tawil-at-Ulmr,
						Ian Wickram!!!
Mommy and I are one!		




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From: vjohm@cirrus.com (Valerie J. Ohm)
Subject: Re: Godflesh expectations (Re: Skinny Puppy Review 7/6 in Portland)
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.  Fremont, California
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:36:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.204839.24388@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> earle@poseur.JPL.NASA.GOV (Greg Earle - Sun JPL on-site Software Support) writes:
>In article <1992Jul11.001634.22832@cirrus.com> vjohm@cirrus.com (Valerie J. Ohm) writes:

>>I don't mean to start flaming over that remark, but for such a great
>>band, their live show sure was boring.  And that had *nothing* to do
>>with the drum machine.  Sigh.  I was expecting a lot better.
>
>Well, to each his (or her (-: ) own, obviously, but I guess I don't know what
>you were expecting.  I see enough music where the bands just come out and get

Can't say I'd heard too much Godflesh before I saw them, so I'm not
about to dismiss them because I thought the effect of their strobes on
the ceiling was more interesting than their show (must admit, it *did*
look pretty neat :).  With all the excitement about 'em that had built
up on the net, I suppose I was expecting to be totally blown away.  OH
WELL.  Time to dent the credit card again and do my research.

>Read Don's posting on the Godflesh Milwaukee show, it pretty much sums up what
>I could say about them.  See them in a small club, too.

True.  Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay up in the balcony of a big theater is not
the place to see such a band.  Which is the exact same reason why I
think this whole Lollapaloser thing is a huge waste of time.  Regardless
of whose playing.

-valerie



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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 31 Jul 1992 15:07:45 CDT
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: MOSHING TO INDUSTRIAL

In article <1992Jul31.034150.11659@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
bp271@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew N. Sharp) says:
>
>John (cairnsj@ucsu.colorado.edu) writes;
>>I thi that if you have some IDEA about what industrial music stands
>>for you might consider feeling the tone and respect what a band is
>>saying not jump around and slam into each other in some foolish,
>>animal, cult-dance.

>First of all, the above is a poor sentence.

So? Is that supposed to invalidate his point,even if I-or you-don't agree
with it?

>Furthermore, I do not think that you have the same IDEof what
>"industrial" "music" stands for that it's "creators" did.

First,you complain about other people's poor sentences,and then you proceed
to not only mispell "idea" but run it together with the next word in the sen-
tence.

You still haven't learned how not to throw bricks in your own glass house,
have you?

>I could be guessing incorrectly as to your IDEA, but if it corresponds
>to the Skinny Puppy "IDEA" of what "industrial" "music" stands for,
>I believe I have a good leg to stand on.

Sure. Care to share with us what the Skinny Puppy "ideal" of industrial music
is if you're such an expert?

>Ask Genesis P--Orridge about animals sometime...
>especially composite animals.

Real relevant comment,Matt.

>John continues;
>>                      There is a real world, easy to forget when all
>>you hear is a beat.

>There is a real world out there, [which is] easy to forget when you
>dress like a geek and shell out fifteen dollars to go see other
>geeks stand in front of you and bitch about the real world which they
>know nothing about.

And of course you do,eh? Sure. That's why you waste time writing smug little
I'm-more-intellectual-than-you-are posts like this all the time,Matthew. You
have _such_ a great grip on reality in comparison to the rest of us.

>John Walter (john.walter@bville.gts.org) writes;
>> ...

>Nevermind.  It just isn't worth it.

Neither is replying to you. I just had some boredom points to kill off.

>Love,
>Matthew, Your Better.

In your wet dreams,jerk.

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
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      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
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From: locklin@henry.ece.cmu.edu (Scott Locklin)
Subject: Re: Moshing
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:52:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.164236.25868@beach.csulb.edu> douellet@beach.csulb.edu (Daniel Ouellette) writes:
>  One thing I've noticed is that when people start moshing, by and large, they
>all move in a counter-clockwise direction. What I was wondering, do people in
>the Sounthern Hemisphere mosh in a clockwise direction? :-)
>-Daniel
>-- 
>ASplitSecond*Bauhaus*Cure*DepecheMode*EinstuerzendeNeubauten*Front242*Gruesome-
>*	Daniel Ouellette       | 	 "People need to be schocked"	      *
>*   douellet@beach.csulb.edu   |		     -Me		      *
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Hmmm counter-clockwise is the traditional direction of a witch-dance to
"raise the cone of power" isn't it??
-Scott
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From: andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek)
Subject: Transylvia
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 17:43:18 GMT

I caught Transylvia at CBGB's a few weeks ago during New Music nights in  
NY. I liked them a lot, and think it's fair enough to call them  
industrial. I haven't been able to find any material on them since. Has  
anybody in this group heard of them? Do they have any releases out? Where  
are they from?

AK

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From: trs4742@sigma.tamu.edu (SEBESTA, TIMOTHY RICHARD)
Subject: Re: Bigod 20
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:29:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.113248.12878@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bw808@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott E. Conrad) writes...
> 
>I have heard two songs by Bigod 20 - "The Bog" and "Carpe Diem" and have
>liked them both. Unfortunately, I have been unable to find an actual
>album by this group.  If anyone could be so kind as to send me the name
>of an album, the group's label, etc., it would be most appreciated.  
>Please email it to me   bw808@cleveland.freenet.edu as I haven't had the
>time to play on the Internet in some time (I guess this is a speciall
>occasion)....

To date, they have no albums. I talked to manager at record store
and he said to expect something at end of year. BTW, Jean Luc DeMeyer of
front 242 does some of the vocal work on some of their work.


> 
>scott
>-- 
>"Sure as you can steer a train, you can change your fate."
>							-TMBG
From: prosser@elux3.cs.umass.edu (DANIEL PROSSER)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: PTV discography?
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:49:24 GMT
Reply-To: prosser@elux3.cs.umass.edu (DANIEL PROSSER)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst


	If all else fails, try land-mail to the  TOPYUS address:

			TOPYUS (Psychic TV)
			PO Box 18223
			Denver, CO 80128

Include a SASE.  (This address provided to you from the FutureCulture
FAQ --- thanks, hawkeye).
					dylyn
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"One -- you lock the target,	   Two -- you bait the line,
   Three-- you slowly spread the net,     and Four -- you catch the man"
			<<Front242, 'Headhunter'>>
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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: pauls@tellabs.com (Paul Silver)
Subject: Re: Nurse With Wound: "Chance meeting..."
Organization: Tellabs, Inc., Lisle, IL
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:26:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.121217.22703@ghost.dsi.unimi.it> piovanel@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (marco piovanelli) writes:
>
>Just an example of this first category: 'Soliloquy for Lilith' might be
>considered a very long, evolving piece, on a 3LP boxed set (!).
>BTW: what speed would you play it, Chris?  I'm for 33 RPM.

*----------*

I'm definitely for 45 RPM.  At 33 RPM it drags on and drones on
endlessly.  At 45 RPM it has some texture and is more interesting.

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From: vhspet01@uctvax.uct.ac.za (Peter van Heusden)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Looking for Neubaten lyrics
Date: 31 Jul 92 10:26:44 +0200
Organization: University of Cape Town

Does anyone have/know where to get Neubaten lyrics? I really like their
music, but so far have not been able to figure out their lyrics... my German
isn't that good.

Peter
 
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From: ringworm@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Count Ringworm)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Reflex
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 03:48:08 CST
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

Anyone catch the Reflex interview with Front Line Assembly (Bill Leeb)?  
I love what he said, "...Kevin's (Ogre) girfriend use to rent our 
equipment (for Skinny Puppy, in the early 80's)"  and, "Kevin and I have 
had no musical training"... well, something like that.  I didn't get a 
chance to read the whole interview.  Maybe someone else can fill me in on 
the rest.


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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: Ministry _Psalm_69_ quick review
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 19:49:07 GMT
Organization: Charnel House Prod.

bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald) writes:
: In article <1992Jul21.154659.1257@skynet.uucp> ice@skynet.uucp (Ice) writes:
: >I think you people are too selfish. All you ever care about is what YOU
: >want to hear and what YOU like.
: 
: >Give a band a chance to explore other ways of doing things. There can only
: >be improvement with change.
: >
: 
:    And there can be absolute crap resulting from change as well.
:    Yes, I agree bands should do whatever they want in their music...
:    but isn't it our right to express how we feel about a band's change
:     in style?

Obviously.  It's easy, it's all opinion, and of course all someone
cares about is what they want to hear.

Ministry started out as shit, doing wimpy Eurodisco.
They changed and released "Twitch" which I liked.
They changed again and released "Land of Rape and Honey" which I liked.
They changed again and I thought they sucked.
They haven't changed much since then and I still think they suck.

See?  It's all opinions.  I don't like what they're doing now so I
don't care about them.  Simple.  It's not being selfish, it's exercising
discretion and personal taste.


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From: westr@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Robert _FinnAgain_ West)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Delerium
Date: 22 Jul 92 04:56:28 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <39419@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford) writes:
>And lo, westr@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Robert _FinnAgain_ West) spake unto the masses saying:
>>
>> One song even sounds like Bill & Rhys's demo tape for
>> _The_Last_Temptation_Of_X_!
>
>Ah, that must be from _Stone Tower_ aka "Bill And Rhys Go After Peter
>Gabriel's _The Passion_ With A Sampler".

	Bingo. Thats what I thought.

>Good album though.

	Both of them are!
>--
>		      Al Crawford - awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk
>			   "Click click drone."

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From: mikey@ece.arizona.edu (Michael Gribbons)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: reggae industrial
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:02:21 GMT
Reply-To: mikey@ece.arizona.edu (Michael Gribbons)
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering


ok

awhile back i posted a request for any bands that may fit into the genre term
(is that redundant) reggae industrial.  i got a few responses which made the
following suggestions:

KMFDM _UAIOE_

Gary Clail / On-U Sound System - _End of the Century Party_
Gary Clail / On-U Sound System - _Emotional Hooligan_
Mark Stewart - _Learning to Cope with Cowardice_
Mark Stewart - _Metatron_


Dub Syndicate

the compilations #1-? entitled "Pay it All Back Vol.X"


thanks to everyone who responded.

Mike
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: pdivine@unixg.ubc.ca (Patrick Devine)
Subject: Re: (What else?) Ministry
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:19:08 GMT

In article <Dwm9NB2w164w@cellar.org> darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes:
>> ripoff of Puppy's "Fascist Jock Itch" on "Rabies"?
>
>Kind of a turd painting rendered in diarrhea, isn't it?

Well, considering Alien worked with SP on Rabies, I guess it's not really a
ripoff.  He created the noise, so I guess he's entitled to use it in TV II
or whatever.


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