From: ekrem@vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at (Ekrem Saban)
Subject: Re: IN?OUT of Islam.
Organization: Technical University of Vienna
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:30:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.103846.20637@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp> f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA) writes:

Hello,

I got your mail, where you asked me 

[...]
Do you mind looking for SCB for my latest set
of Questions. If not I can write to you. I hope
it will not disturb you.

[...]

I therefore read SCB now and try to answer your unanswered
questions...

   I have recieved many responses on the topic of excepting
   or rejecting Islam. I will try to be brief in speaking 
   about the responses.

   1) Some people said that One has no right to reject Islam.
   Other said that it is not explicitly mentioned that that one
   cannot leave Islam. It might have been implemented to restrain
   people from coming in and out of this religion there by making
   it a joke.

   2) I asked a Question that 
   Please answer from your heart not from Quran.

   If a man follows all words of Mohamad, Follows only Allah but 
   when asked about prophet hood of Mohamad says that it doesnot
   matter to me. Any way I follow everything that he said, Is he
   a muslim?

   The answer was unanimously NO, a Big NO? But I will repeat
   the question. Is really excepting that Mohamad is a Prophet
   that too the last one is that important. Please use your heart.
   Not Quran. Is it more important then love and friendship. Is
   it more important then peace. Similar question is for Christianity
   also. Is really accepting that JESUS is God's son so important.
   How does it effect a person (MUSLIM) who does not get two breads also.
   Is providing him with bread less important then excepting that
   Mohamad is Prophet?

   One friend wrote: "But ask yourself:

   'Will I really die just because I don't care to know if this gun
   is really loaded?'

   I replied to him reframing his own words..

   "What will happen if I imagine that a gun is there loaded in front
   of my head, when it is not? Any way it doesnot harm. You are safe.
   It takes care of the fact the gun can be there, which is not true.
   But it is foolish. It stops you from seeing many things because
   you had closed your eyes becaused you had asumed that the gun is
   near the head. Open your eyes and look if the gun is really there"

   he has not yet replied. I will tell you the reply in case he does.
   (SORRY FRIEND, FOR USING YOUR WORDS) I am just putting all the
   views in public scrutiny. You can decide for yourself really.

   IS REALLY THAT STATEMENT THAT MOHAMAD IS A PROPHET MORE IMPORTANT
   THEN DEATH AND LIFE, MORE IMPORTANT THEN FRIENDSHIP AND LOVE, MORE
   IMPORTANT THEN THE LOVE OF A MUSLIM GIRL FOR A NON_MUSLIM BOY (One
   who doesnot like to say that Mohamad is a Prophet, But chooses to
   say I don't know). He was just truth being truth ful to himself.
   with regards.

Perhaps you will ask why the "THAT STATEMENT THAT MOHAMAD IS A
PROPHET" is so important. In Islam, it is not possible to force smb.
to follow the rules of Islam: a Muslim man can't force his wife to
follow any of them. [If he does force her (the extreme case is to force
smb. to convert), he will be punished (in the case of forced
conversion, "his place in Hell is sure", the Prophet (pbuh) said).]
This is the same for the husband if he is an unbeliever: he will like
to have with her sexual intercourse when he needs, and nobody can
force him or punish him if he violates the laws of Islam (for
instance, a Muslim woman can't have sexual intercourse during her
menses or from dawn to sunset in Ramadan when she is fasting). Of
course, this is also the case if the husband is Muslim, but everybody
knows that the "initiative" in sexual intercourse is by men (sorry for
not knowing the right word, but I'm not a native speaker...). Besides
that, ALL the children of a Muslim must be educated as Muslims. If,
however, the husband (a non-Muslim, say) insists that at least some of
them become non-Muslims, we have again a situation which is unbearable
from the perspective of Islam.

I can not say that my observations are complete, i.e. there may be
other reasons which prohibit the marriage of a Non-Muslim man and a
Muslim woman. But the difference is not simply a word- that was and is
what I want to point out.

   I hope this discussion doesnot bring any bad feeling between any
   groups. I hope it builds a bridge of friendship. Religion is
   for love and friendship. Prove that it is really so.

I hope it will at least build a bridge of understanding. 
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