HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re:Another Answers
Date: 1 Jan 93 19:21:59 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee) writes:

:In article <85932@ut-emx.uucp> btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
:>
:>        Have you ever think why we have such lousy government?
:>        Lousy government makes lousy citizens but lousy citizens also
:>        make lousy government.  The quality of political system is merely 
:>        reflection of that of citizens.

right! this is what i have been saying!
         
          No you said that simply reforming out-of-date laws and 
          president's obeying to laws solve all the problems!

:in last election, Rho promised to do several good things when he got elected.
:such as, Ji-Bang-Ja-Chi-Jae, Geum-Yung-Sil-Myung-Jae and Public-concept-of-land.
:but they didn't. 

          For record, I have to defend the ruling party again.
          Ok. They trashed "Geum-Yung-Sil_Myung-Jae" but
          the other two are questionable.

          We had Ji-Bang-Ja-Chi. We had election for legistalation body for
         province, we have directly delected-education governning system.
         Government postponed only election of "Governors"(DAN-CHE-JANG).
         Do you remember DJ forced the speaker of KWANGJOO (or JUNNAM) to
         withdrow from his seat becase he was not appointed by PDP head quater?
         Is this Ji-Bang-Ja-Chie what you are saying?

         Public-concept-of-land is also being implemented. What it means is
         different from person to person. However, Korean government is
         collecting huge tax from excessive possession of land not from
         profit by land transaction. It was an excuse when they trashed
         "Geun-Yung-Sil-Myung-Jae".

:some netter said it was to save our economy.
:come on, if they didn't think how those things would affect our economy
:when they promised during campaign, they are stupid so that
:we cannot let them govern our country.
:or if they said so just to be elected, they lied!
:again we should not let them govern our country.
:but in this election, it turned out that our people didn't remember
:or didn't care about what they promised.

         Because it's not the same party. There are no same parties at all
         which participated in the last election. This is the pitist fact in
         Korean politics.  If people remember or support any politican by
         parties, how could the leaders destroy those whenever they wanted?
         This problem goes for both opposition and ruling parties.
         That's what I said, "Realities" which you do not want to accept.
From: shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Sorry for 2 nearly same articles
Date: 30 Dec 1992 04:41:55 -0500
Organization: Yale University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu


  Very sorry for increasing net traffic unnecessarilly. I thought the first
one was lost and was not posted to the net. Only after posting the second
one, did I found that it had been posted.  
  Once again, sorry.
  Jungshik Shin
From: jwjang@kaist.ac.kr (Chang Jin-woong)
Subject: The 14th Korean Presidential Election
Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 12:07:22 GMT

           THE 14TH KOREAN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION ON-LINE REPORT

Current Time: 21:07KST

Current Result:

	1. Kim Young-sam:	17,868
	2. Kim Dae-jung:	16,251
	3. Chung Ju-young:	 7,569
From: hseung@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Roland H. Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: KILL file (was Re: To Ho Dor Seung)
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:49:18 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Neuroscience, U. of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec22.182515.21087@news.columbia.edu> jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:
>... I am pretty sure he is a pretty sick human being, but I, for
>one, have found his articles funny, amusing and well-written.  If you
>cannot stand him or his style, there is always a KILL file.  Election is
>important and everything, but this group can always use some spice.

I am actually getting REALLY sick of all these morally offending posts
by Hyunsuk.  Could someone explain how to put him into the KILL file?
I am new to using bulletin board.  Thanx.

Roland.
From: junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: ^^^^^^^^^^ S H O C K I N G R E S U L T S ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:08:14 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

lee@don.waisman.wisc.edu writes:

>In a previous article, mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO) wrote:


>>  I hate old generations who hate CHANGES.

>Do not hate others because they have a different opinion from yours.

You missed the important point here. We don't hate all old people
because they have different opinions but because people running the
country(I must emphasize RUNNING THE COUNTRY, IF THEY ARE JUST NORMAL
PEOPLE WHOSE OPINIONS DO NOT DIRECTLY INFLUENCE OUR LIVES, I AM FINE
WITH THEIR OPINIONS) are not qualified to integrate others' different
opinions as leaders for better future for all of us. It's their
incapability to do anything we hate, not people.

>>Anyway,  the game is over.  In this step,  DJ is suggested to one step

Perhaps, the game is over for us, and we loose in a way that we really
didn't express our feeling and opinions toward the way the Gov't
treats the people.

>I am happy that at least one Kim is to disappear. What we have to do is to
>wait for another five years.

I hate to see me and the people not doing enough to kick their asses out of
the politics. They are nothing but shit heads who are filled with their ego.
Both of Kims had their shows for the lifetime but what about us, the people?
Just sitting aside and enjoying cookies which they bought with our money?


>>                    Minho Jo, Lehigh University
>>                    Computer Integrated Manufacturing Lab.
>>                    Induatrial Engineering Department.

>Hankyu Lee

Jung
From: inyup@python.icsl.ucla.edu (Inyup Kang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Congratulations you Korea!
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:45:05 GMT
Organization: UCLA Integrated Circuits & Systems Laboratory

In article <1992Dec21.202214.8497@news.yale.edu> lim@rani.chem.yale.edu (Dongchul Lim) writes:
>inyup@python.ICSL.UCLA.EDU (Inyup Kang) writes:
>: Cheers! 
>: 
>: The first *CIVILIAN* government in my life.  My dream comes true. 
>: 
>: 		 *** Go Korea! Beat Everything! Rule The World! ***
>: 
>: - Inyup Kang 
>: 
>
>Maybe you're dreaming.
      
	  Yes, I'm dreaming......

>Won't the next government be the same militia people in
>plain clothes?

	  You never understand the d***-sh***ting 80's, and late 70's.
	  Well, it's might be different. Please be considerate 
	  about the impacts of the civilian government.
	  You never understand what kind of people the military guys are,
	  and why the president must be from the civilian for the
	  *RE-unification* of Korea.
	  At least, the next government can be a stepping-stone to the
	  TRUE civilian government.
	  Please be analytic. It's not a romanticism.

>Yang-Doo-Goo-Yook
>Keep dreaming buddy!
>-dcl
      I don't like this kinda buddy!

-Inyup Kang
From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re:aftermath of election
Date: 26 Dec 92 23:00:28 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

>From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

>btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:
>>             
>>      For me, current labor-related laws and demonstration-related laws were
>>      passed by "normal" nation assembly. Majority of so-called "political
>>      prisoners" violated those laws. (sory it sounds like Roh's remarks, 

>O.K. I don't have any problems with putting those people in the jail (I assume
>they were judged properly by law). O.K. here's a question.
>Prez. Roh and his Minja government broke the law on 'Jibang Jachije'.
>Shouldn't they be in the jail? What's your opinion on that?
>Just for my curiosity.

        Do you think I insisted to enforce "normal" laws to  particular
        group of people? I wasn't.  In addition, not punishing one party does
        not give the excuse of other parties' violation legally.
        I do not like your example. For the role of devil advocate, I want to
        point out your logical weakness in this example.
        First of all, legally, president has previlege of not being prosecuted
        for what he did during his tenure except for some critical crimes.
        Secondly, "Ji-bang ja chie" law does not have any punishment article.
        Third, MinJa, strictly legally was not the authority to execute that
        law. It is not the party but the government to execute laws written by
        national assembly. In addition, I hope you can rememeber Minjoo blocked
        the first meeting of the assembly when the ruling party wanted to mend 
        that law?   I am not saying I am supporting the ruling party or 
        government's bleach but am just pointing out the "LOGIC" in your
        example.     I hope your curiosity is fufilled.
From: z_ablesrl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Import/Export research
Date: 29 Dec 92 00:19:00 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Hello all,

	We are doing research on various items that international countries
would be interested in exporting and importing.  The items can consist of
anything from clothing to large machines.  Of course, they must be a legal
product to enter and exit the different countries.  These are some questions 
that we are trying to find the answers to:
 
1.) How would we gather information concerning the legal regulations on
	shipping to Korea? 

2.) Who would an individual contact in that country about shipping
	requirements?  

3.) What kind of licences or paper work does a company need to enter
	that foreign market place?


I really would appreciate any help concerning this matter.  Thank you very
much for your time and hope to hear from you soon.




Sincerely,


Ron Ables

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu ()
Subject: To Dongchul Lee
Originator: swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:26:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.202214.8497@news.yale.edu>
lim@rani.chem.yale.edu (Dongchul Lim) writes:

>Maybe you're dreaming.
>Won't the next government be the same militia people in
>plain clothes?
>Yang-Doo-Goo-Yook
>Keep dreaming buddy!
>-dcl

The situation is up to us.  If we, the people, push him toward the right
way, it is possible for him to take off his old clothes.

What's your dream? What's on your mind?  I think you wish the Korean 
government of YS is ruined.
From: won@seas.gwu.edu (Won Lee)
Subject: Re: YS SHOULD not BE QUALIFIED   ( RE: AFTERMATH of ELECION)
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:35:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.110041.33582@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO) writes:
>
>I missed chances to read all of your postings.   I agree with some of
>
>opinions,  however I disagree with many of your ideas.  I feel that you
>
>are so conservative.   In a sense,  you are a far-right extremist even if
>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>you don't like yourself to be categorized.   In reality,  even if one
>
>does not say which side he/she is in,   people can classify one in
>
>category,  based on his/her trends and preference,  and previous
>
>activities, comments,  and experiences.   Thus,  I carefully would
>
>put you in rihgt extremism according to your preference/dislike
>
>and comments.  You are also free to judge my trend based on what
>
>I said before and I am saying.
>
	I do not think he is a far-right extremist.
	I think He has very good logic and attitude. 
                                           ^^^^^^^^


>
>        I think your argument is ridiculous.    As far as I know,  DJ had

>
>
>                      Minho Jo, Lehigh University
>                      Computer Integrated Manufacturing Lab.,
>                      Industrial Engineering Department.
>                      MJ03@Lehigh.edu
>
>

	
-- 
_______________________________________________________________
Won  Lee                     Dept. of EE&CS 
won@seas.gwu.edu       The George Washington University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Il Hyung Cho)
Subject: Re: wife beating
Followup-To: soc.culture.korean
Organization: LORAL - Western Development Labs
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:50:06 GMT

In article <1263@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon) wrote:
> 
> 
> In Taiwan, koreans have a reputation of beating their wives. 
> 
> This image is so strong that a taiwanese female friend
> of mine once had to argue with her parents that her 
> korean fiance ( not me :) is not like that at all.
> Her parents were worried that once married, he will
> make her life miserable.
> 
> flames encouraged
> 
> - jon

I don't know about that but I just heard in the news that
this Korean gentleman shot and killed two police officers and his
wife.  What makes it more interesting is that he put a down payment
on his own grave, a plot.

Il Hyung Cho
Macintosh Systems Support
LORAL - Western Development Labs
Internet:  cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Nettiquette or Freedom of speech
Date: 27 Dec 92 17:17:17 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Bullshit, Mr. Woody Ph.D.

NOTHING that you see in the newsgroups interferes with your
freedom.

If you see something posted here that you don't want to read, all
you ever have to do is hit "N", and it's gone.  You don't have to
give it another thought.  If you CHOOSE to entangle yourself in
controversy, that's okay, but nobody's forcing you.

You have to realize that these are just little letters on a screen.  It's
not as if someone were flailing around with a stick two inches from
your nose.  Freedom of speech only hurts if you let it.

And the MANNER of self-expression, be it nice or nasty or whatever, is very
often an important part of the CONTENT that's being expressed.  That's why
some people's guidelines (the very smart people you refer to) are an
imposition.  Telling people to be nice and polite when they feel angry or
imposed upon is a way of trying to control them and to neutralize the impact
of their feelings.

Good luck with your cow.  How's the milk?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jwjang@kaist.ac.kr (Chang Jin-woong)
Subject: Kim Dae-jung Leaves Politics
Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 02:09:08 GMT

                Kim D.J. quits House seat, leaves politics.

    A defeated Kim Dae-jung yesterday declared his departure frm politics,
ending his three-decade career as an opposition leader.
"Today, I resign as a national legislator and am going to be an oridinary
citizen," Kim said in a news conference. He said he concedes defeat to majority
party party candidate Kim Young-sam.
    Kim Dae-jung, the best-known opposition politician, recently resigned as
chairman of the minority Democratic Party.
    The 67-year-old veteran politician fell nearly two million votes short of
his rival Kim Young-sam.
    "I failed again to obtain the trust of the people," Kim said. This was his
third bid for the presidency.
    "My failure was a result of my own shortcomings, and I humbly accept
defeat," Kim said.
    While reading a prepared statement, Kim said he was sorry for stepping down
without bestowing favors on the people who have long supported him.
    Leaving an assessment of his political achievements to history, he said
he would lead a common life as an ordinary citizen.
    "This is deeply emotinal for me as I am now ending my turbulent 40 years
of political life," he said.
    But the lifetime oppositionist promised to remain an ordinary party member
to help promote the development of his party.
    Kim expressed heartfelt congratulations to President-elect Kim Young-sam.
He hoped that Kim Young-sam would lead the nation's political and economic
development well to advance national unification.
    While the defeated candidate announced his resignation from politics, his
senior aides and party officials wept openly at his side.
    After the announcement, Kim returned to his Tongkyo-dong home in eastern
Seoul and headed somewhere with his wife to take a rest.
    Prior to the news conference, Kim's aides reportedly asked him to reverse
his decision, but Kim refused.
    Meanwhile, a party source prediceted that it is inevitable for the DP to
reshuffle that current leadership because of Kim's retirement.
    Currently, party Co-chairman Lee Ki-taek, leading a small fraction, is
tentatively controlling the DP, the second largest political group with
95 parliamentary seats in the 299-member National Assembly.
    The sources said that fractional strife between Kim's followers. the
mainstreamers, and Lee's cohorts is likely to flare up to seize control of
party operation.
    Critics, however, said Kim's decision to remain as a party member showed
his intention to use his influence behind-the-scenes.

--
Liszt
From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re:aftermath of election
Date: 26 Dec 92 22:58:30 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

From: tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

> Yes, you are right. This is the BASIC rule in a democratic society.
> According to a poll, only 5% people objected 'Kumyung Silmyongje', but
> Prez. Roh and Minja Government banned it to respect 5% people's opinion.
> Korea has been suffered too much by whom don't know this simple rule.
> We need a prez who knows this simple rule.

  I think I just got lost my direction while I am responding to you.
  I gave my side analysis why DJ was doomed to fail, why 
  I can not support him any more and the reasons why I think YS is more
  unlikely to try to change the current presidential system based on
  MY LOGIC. However, I did not hear your LOGIC.

  Do you remember YS also supported "real-name-in-all-financial-transactions"?
  He was a leader of minor fraction of DLP but now main TK stuborn guys left
  for CY. Now he has more stable power base  other than others.
  What makes you think only DJ can do that?  
  I am sorry to ask this. Have you ever read DJ's Book "Economics for mass"?
  After reading that, I was very disappointed.  Nothing beyond common sense.

  I do not want to continue "word plays" but what I expect from opposition 
  force or liberals was "cool head" with which they can figure out 
  reality.  Unfortunately, I could not find realistic, scientific approach 
  from them.
From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re:aftermath of election
Date: 26 Dec 92 18:15:41 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas


 In article <1992Dec26.032640.9167@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee) writes:	
>
>
>>        On the other hand, unfortunately it was obvious again that DJ could
>>        not build his political base outside his province. I am from Choong-
>>        Buk where I could not find a bit of DJ support.
>
>Come on, what are you talking about? DJ is more popular in Seoul than YS.
>I think he got above 20% from all regions except Kyongsangdo (Kangwon?).
>

          I think this figure is pretty much misleading.
          You maybe meant 20% more including Cholla province. However,
          as far as I heard, DJ only won Seoul outside Cholla. 
          He did not win Kangwon, Choong Chung, KyungKi,.....
          In addition, I said that he did well more than what I expected 
          because he added 2 million votes to those he got in 1988.
      
          However, do you know how many new branches of DP were created just 
          before national assembly election (JI-KOO-DANG-CHANG-DANG)? How many
          setors did they give up to send a candidacy?  I meant the political
          mechanism outside his province beyond his personal popularity.
          Only every election time, they was in hurry to pick up candidates for          those areas including my home town, ChoongJoo.   Will you insist that
          all people from those areas are foolish enough and lack of so-called
          historical concepts or misinformed?

          In additioin, even in Seoul, the margin was minimal.  How much
          do you think he got outside Ex-Cholla people and liberal young
          college or college-graduate voters?  Even in national assembl
          election, there was clear trend that DP got more votes from the 
          election-sectors with high density of Ex-Cholla people.

         
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jin123s@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: RE: bbong-jjak
Date: 21 DEC 92 13:25:53 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

What the heck is bbong-jjak?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: yshan@screamer.ece.ncsu.edu (Youn-Sik Han (Snyder))
Subject: TO: S. W. KIM (Re: To Jung)
Reply-To: yshan@relito.medeng.wfu.edu
Organization: NCSU Visualization Lab	
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:21:43 GMT


In article <1992Dec22.084624.27094@sbcs.sunysb.edu>,
swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu () writes:

> Subject: To Jung
> ....

Again, sorry, s.c.k netters, please disregard this message, if you are not
the Mr. S. W. KIM.

> In article <Dec.21.16.44.14.1992.8890@gandalf.rutgers.edu>
> junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
> 
> >What do you want from him, a position in his cabinet or something?
> >And you want him to know how you feel about him, perhaps you should
> >send him a lengthy letter with your heart, instead of posting it on the net.
> >He's never going to read yours, sorry for you.  Get a life !!!!
> 
> You must be the first-time netter of this 'soc.culture.korean'.  Have you

You must be the full-time netter of this 'soc.culture.korean'. 
Full-time netter of this s.c.k should do like you?


> seen my articles during last pre-election week?  If you do, you'll
> understand why I posted that article.  I was an ardent DJ supporter - 
> poster of "DJ for president".
> 
> Anyway, I'm so unhappy about that kind of a personal attack.  It is a shame
> of 'soc.culture.korean' newsgroup.  If you give me such nice words, I'll 
> return.

Anyway, I'm so unhappy about that kind of a personal ABUSE of net.
It is a shame of 'soc.culture.korean' newsgroup.

Han
From: hseung@salsa.seas.upenn.edu (Rachael H. Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Enough is enuff!
Date: 4 Jan 93 05:21:37 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan2.030602.46034@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> dongsoo@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu () writes:
| ...
| 	We have seen and tolerated all your so called discussions which are 
| groundless, lack of knowledge, and pretty much biased. You people were
| stubborn, lazy, and very annoying. +  || __|  |_  | |  is the only exception!
|                                    O =|| /\|- --- |_|-
|                                                |                            

                                  ___
       []  ___                    |__   / 
 O |= ____  /\ |      |   |_|     _|_  /\ |-|  O |
   |    |    |__      |__ | |      o      o      |

       ___    ___   _|_    ____      ____       ___
        // |- //\ |  o |-  | |  |_|  |___       |   |_  O |  |  _||
          []   ---+   Z    |_|_ | |  __|__      |__ |   //\  |__ || .
                  |
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Rachael H. Seung                   *   *         Salsa Today 
hseung@salsa.seas.upenn.edu       \|/ \|/        Something Tomorrow