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From: sorgatz@avatar.tti.com (sorgatz)
Subject: Re: WE ALL KNOW IT'S ILLEGAL,
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:54:52 GMT

In article <rwa.713488882@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca> rwa@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Ross Alexander) writes:
>sorgatz@avatar.tti.com (sorgatz) writes:
>
>> Antennas that claim to be rated for 1000 watts, but come with RG-58
>> coax..I wasflabbergasted at that..I mean how dumb are these people?!
>
>RG58 will carry a kilowatt if the match is good (less than 2:1).  Given
>a fifty ohm load, you get 223V and the current is a hair over 4 amps.
>This is no big deal.

Ross...Ross...Ross...with HOW MUCH LOSS??!! RG-58 is not designed to be used
with heavy power or at frequencies much above 100 MHz..it's lossy! And your
assumption about the SWR is a bit screwy...go get a copy of "Reflections" -
ARRL press - and you'll see what I'm talking about.



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From: johnw@bluemoon.rn.com (John L. Wilkerson Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb,misc.misc
Subject: Re: Some More CB Questions
Date: 14 Aug 92 07:53:01 GMT
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])

smash@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Scott Mash) writes:

> 
> Second, I know it is legal to transmit 4 watts.  My grandfathers Pres.
> CB is only transmitting 2, as is my Realistic Car CB, how can these be
> set up to 4 watts?
> 
    Well, a bad SWR will cause a low power output.  My experience with 
Realistic radios is they are very touchy when it comes to that.  The base 
antenna you are talking about.... The Coaxial Cable length is probably the 
problem.  Have him measure the cable in 102" lengths (roughly 1/4 
wavelength)  That oughta help.... if he needs say 48 feet, then he would 
need (roughly.. 8 102" lengths)   Others I am sure will give you more 
precise info.
 

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb,misc.misc
From: whos@ddsw1.mcs.com (Ben Feen)
Subject: Re: Some More CB Questions
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:37:09 GMT
X-Disclaimer:  Material posted in this article is the sole responsibility of
                the poster and does not represent MCSNet or the system owners.

In article <1992Aug13.013752.12795@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> smash@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Scott Mash) writes:
>
>
>My grandfather has a Pres. Zachery Taylor base CB and just put up a
>Archery All Band Antenna and cannot get the standing wave out.  There
>are no adjustments on the antenna and he has removed all the slack in
>the coax in hopes that would do it.  The standing wave is over a 3 on
>his meter (sorry I don't know what the 3 is), but my grandfather tells
>me it should be below a 2.  Any suggestions?

Well, if you're talking about the Archer "All-Band", of the type you can get at
Radio Shack...  All-Band doesn't mean CB, if we're talking about the same 
antenna here.  A CB antenna is a CB antenna.  An "All-Band" will mean all
HAM bands, usually about 54 MHZ.  If the antenna looks like a jellyfish,
with a flat disc of spokes on top of a cone of spikes (called, amazingly enough,
a discone antenna),  then that's it.  ANYthing metal will radiate RF, but 
an antenna has to be tuned or you get a high standing wave ratio.


>Second, I know it is legal to transmit 4 watts.  My grandfathers Pres.
>CB is only transmitting 2, as is my Realistic Car CB, how can these be
>set up to 4 watts?

Get a new radio.  Sorry, but that's the most sensible way.  For $50 you can
have a decent Midland radio that does the job. (Check Wal-Mart)

>If the antenna that my grandfather has isn't good what type would you
>recommend? (Probably a ground plane would be the best)

Radio Shack sells a base antenna, I believe a 1/4 wave, for something like
$60, under the name Crossbow.
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From: jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: SOME MORE CB QUESTIONS
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:49:24 EDT

john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison) writes:
>-> Archery All Band Antenna and cannot get the standing wave out.  There
>-> are no adjustments on the antenna and he has removed all the slack in
>-> the coax in hopes that would do it.  The standing wave is over a 3 on
>-> his meter (sorry I don't know what the 3 is), but my grandfather
>-> tells me it should be below a 2.  Any suggestions?

>Actually the adjustment should be inside the radio, not on the antenna.

Uh, no; while some transmitters have adjustments to adapt them to non-50-ohm
resonant loads, most don't.  The antenna probably should have some form of
adjustment (if nothing else, the ability to change the length of the radiating
element without taking bolt-cutters to it), but apparently doesn't.

>As I have heard, anything over 3 is dangerous to your receiver so I
>wouldn't recommend using the CB until its corrected.

High SWR is usually considered dangerous to the transmitter (which may exceed
its safe operating limits if operated into a load which it was not designed
for), but I don't see any practical situation where a receiver could be
endangered by high SWR (what SWR would be required to cause a typical
several-picowatt signal to generate several volts on 50-ohm coax?  The mind
boggles...).

Most modern fixed-tune transceivers are designed to reduce the power output
when operating into a high SWR to protect the final transistors from harm;
for such a radio, continuing to operate should be safe, if somewhat fruitless.

John, WB7EEL
From: jbs@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: HANDHELD CBS
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:15:40 GMT
Organization: Joe's Bar and Grill

In article <159.334.uupcb@yob.sccsi.com> john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison) writes:
>
>... One thing about RS walkies is that they have a
>fixed antenna, which I don't like, and their rubber-ducky is just
>mounted on top of the existing antenna. That does a lot of good if the
>regular antenna breaks or the load coil burns out.

This is not true for all RS walkie-talkies. I had one, I believe the
TRC-217, which had an RCA phono-style plug at the bottom for an external
antenna. With an adapter, a PL-239 plugged in just fine and it worked
great.

  - joe
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From: cannon@ecf.toronto.edu (The Cannon)
Subject: handheld CBs
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:08:47 GMT


I have a CB in my car that provides me with a means of communication
in the event of a breakdown and no pay phones are available, but
my recent motorcycle trip across Canada and the US have me interested
in getting the same for my bike.
I am curious about hand held CB units.  Something that I can place in
my tank bag and use if required in an emergency is what I am looking
for.
Can anyone advise me about the range of these handhelds (compared to
the 4 watt CB in my car) and their practicality?  My guess is that
their range wont be as good, but should be satisfactory.
And could anybody in New York State (preferably Buffalo area) give me
a rough price of a handheld CB?  The canadian prices are all over $100,
more than the price of my car CB and antenna combined.
Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Kevin Linfield
From: phantom@pro-haven.cts.com (Tiffany Bloxom)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Re: Questions From A Beginner
Date: 16 Aug 92 06:44:28 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300

Ok...
        
        Let;s then say we Were looking inside the Realistic trc 217 or
whatever.....Do you have and can you fax me a copy of the schematic for
either of those radios???  If so, I will circle the ones that need to be
turned and send you a copy back.  Okie Dokie?

        Or....if you can get a picture to me of the inside of either of
those radios, that will work just as well...........

        Later.....
        
        ...Phantom
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From: johnw@bluemoon.rn.com (John L. Wilkerson Jr.)
Subject: Re: We all know it's illegal, but...
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 92 09:58:41 EDT

jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods) writes:

> >may be a result of the current International Radio Conference that 
> >Occurred (or still is going on) this summer.
> 
> That's an interesting point.  (It's over, btw.)  I had attributed it to the
> increased fine authority, but the FCC is always getting complaints from other
> countries, this would have provided an opportunity for irate other countries
> to vent their spleens face-to-face :-).
> 

 
     Any word on any results of that?   I'll keep looking n '3 and Pop. 
Comm. magazine....   I always hope for the US to change CB to something 
say like FM with CTCSS and Trunking capabilities.
 

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|   SkyNet Node: 1/2                                                     |
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From: jeeper@sw.stratus.com (Bill The Cat)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: star duster antenna for sale
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:54:50 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.


I have a starduster house antenna for sale with cabling.
Brand new in the box $80+ shipping or bo

Joe
From: jbs@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: Coax losses (was RG-58 cable)
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:04:44 GMT
Organization: Joe's Bar and Grill

In article <hg06388@pro-haven.cts.com> phantom@pro-haven.cts.com (Tiffany Bloxom) writes:

>        The losses/foot of RG-58, RG-8, and RG-8X are as follows...
>        RG-58 ----- .38db/100 feet @ 1MHz
>        RG-8  ----- .16db/100 feet @ 1MHz
>        RG-8X ----- I don't have this info.....Sorry...
>
>        (I hope that's right...)

I don't know about losses at 1MHz, and they're probably not very
interesting to this newsgroup, but I'd guess you're off by about an order
of magnitude. However...

		   Attenuation, db/100 feet
Type		@50MHz	@100MHz	@200MHz	@400MHz
-----------	------	-------	-------	-------
9913      	0.9	1.3	1.8	2.6
RG-213/U	1.6	2.0	3.0	4.7
RG-8/U foam	1.1	1.7	2.3	4.1
RG-mini 8	2.0	3.0	4.5	6.0
RG-58/U		3.5	4.1	6.9	9.5
RG-58A/U	4.1	5.3	8.2	12.6
RG-174/U	6.6	8.8	13.0	don't try this at home, folks
RG-11/U (75ohm)	1.3	2.0	2.9	4.2
RG-59/U (75ohm)	2.4	3.4	4.9	7.1
RG-393/U,225/U	1.4	2.1	3.1	4.5
RG-142B/U	2.7	3.9	5.6	8.2
RG-214/U	1.6	2.0	3.0	4.7
RG-223/U	2.8	4.1	6.0	8.6

I believe the original poster was asking about (or commenting on) the
power-handling capability of RG-58. Recommended max for RG-58 is 280 watts
at 50MHz, 180 at 100MHz, 125 at 200MHz, and 85 at 400MHz.

>        T. Bloxom
>        (kb5owz)


  -joe, who's looking forward to plugging that 75' of 9913 into his new
        cophased pair of 11-element 2m beams this weekend...

73 de KD4LLV
From: john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison) 
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: RE: HANDHELD CBS
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:58:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569
Reply-To: john.denison@yob.sccsi.com (John Denison) 

-> I have a Maxon 4 watt handheld that I use in the car. Range is very
-> difficult to compare as there are so many variables....especially
-> when you only own one radio! I can tell you that range will be quite
-> limited with the "rubber ducky" antenna that many handhelds come
-> with. Fortunately, most are attached with a

do you have the 27-LP or 27-SP? I have the 27-LP and it has held up
pretty good. RAnge from inside a car should be bad because one, its all
metal, and the waves are too long to get out cleanly. I ordered the
telescopic antenna from Maxon but they took one month to get it from
backorder and another to get the right address. I used a magnet mount
and range was ok, but would have beem better with a full length auto cb
antenna or even a base antenna. I've been determined to find out if it
really is pushing 4 watts or not. I can reach out to 6 miles from here
on the telescopic when the channel is clear, but I'm also on the second
story.

-> I've seen the Maxon unit advertised in many outdoor type catalogs
-> (Cabella's, Sportsman's Guide), and the J. C. Whitney catalog. Most
-> places sell it for $69.95 US mailorder. Radio Shack also has a
-> variety of handhelds that range in price from $60 US to $150 US. If
-> you are going to use this a lot without a

I first saw the MAxon in DAK catalog for $54 but they didn't have it
anymore when I called. One thing about RS walkies is that they have a
fixed antenna, which I don't like, and their rubber-ducky is just
mounted on top of the existing antenna. That does a lot of good if the
regular antenna breaks or the load coil burns out.

-> battery charger and 10 AA Ni-Cad batteries. Unfortunately, you'll
-> spend near as much on rechargable batteries and the charger as you do
-> on the radio!

Well actually a set of Nicads from RS is about $20-$25 U.S. dollars and
the charger is $6.95. Though I wish they had high capacity AA cells.

Do you use a power supply or just batteries?
                                                                                 
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From: jeeper@sw.stratus.com (Bill The Cat)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
Subject: 200 Radio Shack Scanner for sale or trade
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:53:26 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.


I have a 1 year old radio shack scanner for sale with a mobile antenna
It is a base unit that can be used in a car, I have all the wiring for it. I use
to have it in my fulsize truck but since I down graded to an s10 I dont
have the room. Fully programable and can handle the new frequences. 
 It cost $300 new just for the scanner. I will sell it/antenna  for
$250+ shipping or bo or trade it for an hand held in that price range. This unit
was only used for a short time and is now collecting dust. I really
need a hand held unit. Very well maintianed. 

E-mail me if you are interested.

Joe
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb
From: johnw@bluemoon.rn.com (John L. Wilkerson Jr.)
Subject: Re: We all know it's illegal, but...
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 92 10:01:36 EDT

dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers) writes:

> Since it is illegal to experiment with power and modulation modes on 11m,
> and perfectly legal to experiment on amateur radio, doesn't it make sense
> to suggest amateur radio to those who wish to experiment?
> 
 
    Ah.... what worries me is IF some of those illegals on CB /DO/ get a 
ham license.   Amatuer radio could become like CB...... I know of a couple 
people on on of the more "degenerate" channes who are studying to do just 
that.   One good thing in their favor though.  At least they /are/ 
studying and intend to go thru with the licensing procedure.....
 

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|                           | johnw@bluemoon.rn.com  |  cruel world that |
|Sysop: EastSide Connection | jwilkerson@delphi.com  | wishes to destroy |
| (CoCo) (614) 755-2492     |------------------------|       me"         |
|   SkyNet Node: 1/2                                                     |
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tbigham@shearson.com (Tim Bigham)
Subject: Re: Radar Detectors and regular people
Organization: Lehman Brothers, NY
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:54:29 GMT

In article <23550@oasys.dt.navy.mil> goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg) writes:
>In rec.autos, bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense) writes:
>>Not much chance of this happening, Tom. Connecticut recently repealed
>>their ban [on radar detectors].
>
>One of the reasons CT may have done this is that they have cut way back
>or eliminated the use of radar speed detection.  Experience was that

CT eliminated the use of hand held radar guns, however the car mounted guns
remain. One of the more effecitve methods of speed control on CT highways is
the use of a variety of undercover cars. I've seen the following:

	Mazda MX6 (turbo I believe)
	Buick Grand National
	Ford Taurus
	Ford Mustang


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From: newlin@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Doug Newlin)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:55:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Toyota repair ripoff?
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: rec.autos

Based on the information you have given, I WOULDN'T DARE HAND MY
$1,200 OVER TO THIS GUY!

First, without telling me why I needed a valve job, I wouldn't believe
him.  He should give you the results of a compression test or other
conclusive evidence.

Second, never trust someone who tells you he has to replace something
that he would otherwise have to replace anyway.  HE HAS TO REPLACE THE 
HEAD GASKET WHEN HE DOES THE VALVE JOB! And he'll probably make it look
like that was a separate operation.

Third, depending on its condition, your Toyota is probably worth not
much more than the $1200.  I'd say $600 is a much more believeable price
for a valve job on a four cylinder engine. And without any further
evidence, replacing the carburetor may not fix anything if the original problem is in the ignition, for instance.

I'd be willing to bet this guy will bring your car in, do a minor tune-up
or adjust your choke, or put new spark plugs in (at a total cost of
$15-$20 in parts) and slip that $1200 into his fat wallet.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: chapman@centerline.com (Scott Chapman, (Scott Chapman x233))
Subject: Re: Does anyone like the new Prelude?
Reply-To: chapman@centerline.com
Organization: CenterLine Software
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:11:41 GMT

I currently own the new 'lude. It was a toss up between it and the MX-6. I
test drove both of them within an hour of each other, and the 'lude was a
significantly more refined car. Smooth as silk. And the engine makes a great
sound around 4-5k RPM. And it cornered much better than the Mazda.

My only initial dislike, is indeed with the dashboard, but I have most
certainly grown to like it!

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From: CARIAN@auvm.american.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: CRX vs Del Sol
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:28:38 GMT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

I was at the dealer where I bought my 4-dr DX three months ago for its
first oil change and they had just finished unloading there first
shipment of Del Sols.

I think they look rather nice; had they been available three months ago
I might well have bought one instead of the sedan.

The removable top looks pretty heavy and bulky, though. I wonder why
they didn't go with the automatic removal mechanism like they have
in the model they sell in Japan.

For the record, I like the styling of the new Prelude also.

Charles Arian
CARIAN@american.edu
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From: bobw@tv.tv.tek.com (Bob Wakehouse)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.vw,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.sport
Subject: NOTICE: REC.AUTOS.SPORT IS NOT FOR SPORTS CARS
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:10:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: tvnews.1992Aug19.161049.14251
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.  Beaverton, Oregon
Originator: bob@spot


It is for automotive sports, such as racing.  Car racing, that is.
Discussions about sports car problems, and attempts to sell your
problems, er, sports car, and anything else having to do with not
racing cars, belongs in some other newsgroup, such as rec.autos,
rec.autos.tech, or your_area.forsale.

If your question or problem-for-sale isn't of great interest to most folks
in Namibia, Ceylon, Siberia, Uraguay, Tasmania, and Bora Bora, you might
also consider not posting to the entire world.

Bob Wakehouse
bobw@tv.tv.tek.com
Aloha, Oregon
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Red vs. amber turn signals
Date: 13 Aug 92 05:43:53 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Aug11.111641.4424@linus.mitre.org> rll@frieda.mitre.org (Roberto L. Landrau) writes:
>  In article <1992Aug10.205145.32219@datamark.co.nz> tfarmer@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Farmer) writes:
>  >
>  >Speaking of such, is there any other countries in the world that allow
>  >blinking red turn signals?
>
>Italy, Japan, Germany, Sweden, and probably some other ones.  Using
>your logic, they must be as stupid as us, right?

I think you are mistook.  The cars you listed may have red indicators
in their _US_ configuration, but I would be very surprised if they were
produced as such for domestic sales.  Go ahead, surprise me, make my day :-)

-- 
Hugh Grierson          Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand - Software Development Centre
hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz                Speaking for myself only.  See figure 1.
From: ggg@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Gary Goodlund)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:41:44 GMT
Subject: Re: Does anyone like the new Prelude?
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

This is just another opinion--and probably worth about what it costs but I
tend to agree with gramps' premise "...if it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

I've felt since the last change to the Prelude ('87 or '88) that it had to
be one of the best proportioned coupes anyone has built.  It especially 
looks nice with a slightly wider set of 5-spoke alloy wheels and matching 
tires.  The new car is ok from the front or 3/4 front view but from the rear
it's just UGLY!  

I know, it's just one more opinion.

'later,
   Gary

Newsgroups: rec.autos