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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Who didn't get figures made of them?
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:09:39 GMT

tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:

: Are you sure about this?  I don't really trust my memory, but 
: I think I remember seeing one.  Might have been one of those
: french-spanish-english editions.

It has to be. MM wasn't even in that *last* collection, the one
with Anakin and Luke Skywalker -- stormtrooper outfit.

: (No, really!  I mean it!)

So do I! :^)

Maybe they didn't have the rights to her likeness? 

Scott
From: hummell+@pitt.edu (Andrew G Hummell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:56:42 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul24.173630.29144@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> gfm@gnu.ai.mit.edu.UUCP (George Francis McBay) writes:
>			
>	I hate to get in this ST vs SW fight, even indirectly..However...
>This is about the third post I've seen talking about the SHIELDS on the 
>original Death Star...My question is..can anyone prove they exist? I don't

The only thing mentioned in the movie is the Death Star's magnetic field.

>remember anyone mentioning these at all during the first movie (But I also
>did not read the novelization, so...)  I was under the impression that the
>first death star was just incredibly-well armored, which is why they had to
>shoot into an exhaust port to do any real damage AFTER they came through the
>shield everyone else seems to think was there. I got the impression that
>the shield on DSII was there only because the superstructure wasn't finished,
>and that a shield that size NEEDED to be external, or they would have put
>an interal one in much sooner (At least before they made the weapons 
>operational)

You are correct about the shields.  After complteion, the DS II would
no longer need shields, since the fighters couldn't get to the reactor.
The surface of the DS has too much armor for anything short of a capital
ship to penetrate, and the primary and secondary weaponry make any attack
by capital ships suicidal.  The Rebels would never have attacked the DS II
had they known that the main gun was functional, and the Emperor would
not have let the location of the construction get out if the main gun was
not operational.


Andy
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From: dkemper@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Subject: Re: Death Star Shields
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Date: 28 JUL 92 19:43:20    

In article <1992Jul29.001918.1622@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>, jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes...
>Actually, I seem to recall it being said in the first movie that the
>shields on the Death Star were not set up to deal with fighters, just
>capital ships.

Here are the relevant excerpts from the script.

DODONNA: The battle station is heavily shielded and carries a
firepower greater than half the star fleet. It's defenses are designed
around a direct large-scale assault. A small one-man fighter should be
able to penetrate the outer defense.

GOLD LEADER: Pardon me for asking, sir, but what good are snub
fighters going to be against that?

DODONNA: Well, the Empire doesn't consider a small one-man fighter to
be any threat, or they'd have a tighter defense. An analysis of the
plans provided by Princess Leia has demonstrated a weakness in the
battle station.

   ... later ...

READ LEADER: (over headset) We're passing through their magnetic
field.

INTERIOR: RED LEADER'S COCKPIT.

RED LEADER: Hold tight!

INTERIOR: LUKE'S X-WING FIGHTER -- COCKPIT.

RED LEADER: (over headset) Switch your deflectors on.

INTERIOR: ANOTHER COCKPIT.

RED LEADER: (over headset) Double front!

--Gallandro

  From 1964:
  Reporter: "What do you think of the campaign in Detroit to stamp out the
             Beatles?"
  Paul McCartney: "We've got a campaign of our own to stamp out Detroit."
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From: dkemper@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Subject: FAQ list
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Date: 21 JUL 92 17:45:06    

I have made the FAQ list for rec.arts.sf.starwars available for anonymous 
FTP at pg0daztcn.wr.usgs.gov (130.118.172.74), in the /pub directory; it's 
called starwars_faq.  I'll keep it there as long as I can, but someday my 
boss is liable to find out... :)

This will answer two recent questions here concerning the Clone Wars and 
the "Close the blast doors" line.  I am not the author of this list; please 
direct e-mail concerning it to him (his name and address appears in the file).

--Gallandro

  From 1964:
  Reporter: "What do you think of the campaign in Detroit to stamp out the
             Beatles?"
  Paul McCartney: "We've got a campaign of our own to stamp out Detroit."
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: C3PO was: Re: Wedge Theory
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:01:58 GMT

Good grief! Ever heard of upgrades?!

'3PO got an new eloquence logic chip! :)

Scott
From: a_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Who didn't get figures made of them?
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:18:10 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Jul27.163031.12320@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, bailey@emunix.emich.edu (Grand Moff Tarkin) writes:
> 
> They never had a figure of the standard rebel guys either.
> 

	They did (with Hoth outfits, anyway). Or maybe that's an officer...

Brandon Cope
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon en route to Bespin
From: a_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:58:51 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <5050@transfer.stratus.com>, jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes:
> In article <SS.92Jul20140112@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)  
> writes:
>> >>>>> On 20 Jul 92 16:36:59 GMT, bailey@emunix.emich.edu (Grand Moff  
> Tarkin) said:
>> 
>> bailey> Because the Falcon has a backup hyperdrive that can be used in
>> bailey> emergencies.  But it is sort of like one of those doughnut
>> bailey> tires that can only be used for a short period of time.
>> 
>> Where did you come up with this??? The Falcon just flew to Bespin at
>> best speed. If it took a month, so what! Remember Luke was in training
>> at Yoda's all this time. What do you think, he spent the weekend
>> there? He must have been there a month or 2 at least....
> 
> A month or two at sublight speed is NOT going to get you between
> star systems.
> 
> The explanation I see is that Lucas and company made the classic
> blunder that so many other movie and TV producers have made. They
> really have no grasp at how big space is, and how far it really
> is between star systems, so that you can't easily drop in on 
> a system "next door" since next door, even for near by star system,
> is a couple of light years and thus at least a couple of years
> away at sub-light speeds.

	Well, the RPG does mention that most ships with hyperdrives have
backups -- however, these backups have a very limited range, and need a
major overhaul after operation (think of them as being like those miniature
spare tires you find in car trunks today -- you can use them to limp to a 
nearby gas station, but not much else). I don't think that West End Games
came up with this on their own, either.

Brandon Cope

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From: jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma)
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:30:28 GMT

tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte) writes:

>Much as I hate to contribute to this thread, I feel that I must make a
>correction... [sigh]

>In article <9220214.15143@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma) writes:

>>...SW ships are only vulnerable
>>on entry/exit from Hyperspace.

>Nope. Han spent a lot of time plotting a course through hyperspace in
>ANH. The RPG talks about "Hyperspace shadows" of massive objects, like

Actually, it's the computer...

>suns, and [I think] planets. You don't want to run into these things.
>Probably nearly as nasty as their realspace counterparts.

>I think that Han says [flame bait, 'cause I'm not sure] "We could end
>up flying through a planet, and that would end your trip real quick"

>or something.

"Without precise calculations, we could fly right through a star, bounce close
to a supernova, and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it."

>Bottom line: both Warp ships and Hyperdrive ships have to worry about
>neutron stars in their path.

Yes. I retract my initial statement, and apologise for dragging you into the
"ghetto" thread of this newsgroup. 8^)

>Are ships in hyperspace subject to weapons fire? I don't think so, but
>I have no sources.

I don't think so, either. (There, you have your first source 8^) )
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:47:26 EDT
From: <CAL123@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Anakin/Vader death
 <1992Jul22.022320.13937@udel.edu>
 <1992Jul22.033801.26074@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
 <1992Jul22.195708.18034@news.media.mit.edu>

Actually, Vader/Anakin wasn't even really there.  He used mirrors and "staged"
the whole thing, kinda like Elvis did.

                                          Alex Wildstar.

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From: dkemper@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
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Date: 23 JUL 92 13:40:16    

In article <zdtx6d@rpi.edu>, caer@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Charlie Figura) writes...
>Wait... the Executor (the SSD) didn't pass right through the shields...
>As i recall, at that point Han & Co. had taken out the shield generator
>on the surface, and the DS was vulnerable.  Furthermore, the MF & other
>starfighters COULDNT get through the shields - you recall the first attack
>run, where Lando screams for everyone to pull up, that the shields are
>still there... perhaps, im adlibbing, but i seem to recall that one or
>two fighters DIDNT make it, and exploded on contact with the shields..
>Anybody back me on this one?  I don't have my tapes here...  :-(

Actually that happened in the novelization but not in the film.

And you're right, the shield was gone when the SSD plummeted... I mean, if 
IT could fit through the shield, then why were all those fighters waiting 
around for it to go down?

--Gallandro

  From 1964:
  Reporter: "What do you think of the campaign in Detroit to stamp out the
             Beatles?"
  Paul McCartney: "We've got a campaign of our own to stamp out Detroit."
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From: tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte)
Subject: Re: Who didn't get figures made of them?
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:18:39 GMT

In article <l7bf86INN2im@sal-sun80.usc.edu> joshuali@sal-sun80.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>In article <nudnik.712347057@camelot> nudnik@camelot.bradley.edu (Steven Parks) writes:
>>In <1992Jul28.154054.11724@news.media.mit.edu> tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte) writes:
>
>>>How about Salacious Crumb? Is there a Dickens allusion that I'm missing in
>>>his name?
>
>>he/she/it was included in the 
>>Jabba the Hutt Playset [trademark of LucasFilm Ltd]
>>my source?  i OWNED the thing.  ;)
>
>I don`t think that he meant he wishes they made it I think he is including
>it as his most/least favorite creatures.
>
Ding! and control of the board goes to Joshua. Salacious Crumb *IS*
one of my least favourite characters. So, for 100 points, and a chance
at the living room suite, where does the name come from? It seems
awfully English.

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From: joshuali@sal-sun79.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Who didn't get figures made of them?
Date: 27 Jul 1992 15:07:11 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1992Jul27.211958.28751@uvm.edu> cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) writes:
>
> Others I can think of:
> o	Han in the ST outfit
>	(ST = Storm Trooper)
> o 	Leia in Endor garb (long hair)
> o	Luke with just shirt and no damn helmet head (god talk about
>	ruining a good figure, Kenner!)

No kidding!!! This figure`s face sucked!!!  I mean who carved the damn thing?!
If you have an extra one and an extra Luke in Jedi outfit you can swap heads.
I've always wanted to do this but I could never get an extra mangled-head 
Luke.


> o	Leia in gown (end of SW)
> o	Ultimate R2 (with lightsaber, buzzsaw, tools, scanner, etc.)

That would be the best!!! AND attachable 3rd leg.


What about a new survival kit (like the one issued from Kenner for 5 proofs
of purchase)?
It could have:
	Little serving tray for R2 for when he was on the Sail Barge.
	Orange shoulder flag for the Tatooine troopers.
	Just a lightsaber handle-no blade.
	Helmet w/ blast sheild (for Jedi training).
	Trooper belts for post-trash compactor activities.
	Hydrospanners.
	Chewie`s welding tools and goggles (oh oh I`m getting carried away).
	Chewie's bow castor (I don't know what the hell that was that came
		with the figure).
	Ewok slings.

How about a Luke figure with a pull off hand? Then the survival kit could have
the little severed arm cover that Leia puts on him.

How about a sail barge toy? Big enough to put Jabba into. They could do it.
Remember that enormous aircraft carrier they made for GI Joe? That thing was
8 feet long and $125!!!

-joshuali@usc.edu
From: cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au (Cameron Newham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Biggs.....
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 14:37:18 GMT
Organization: Baldrick Fan Club
Reply-To: cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au


In article <1992Jul26.141210.27943@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu writes:

 > ...Luke's old buddy Biggs is in it, in a still from a scene with the
 > two talking on Tatooine, from the (non-picture :)) novel. However,
 > this wasn't in the movie -- *but* Luke greets his old buddy Biggs
 > in the Death Star battle.
 > 
 > This has always bothered me -- did they cut that scene? Why?

Scott, I really think asking this question in here will be bad for your health!

 > 
 > Scott
 > 
 > 
 > 

cameron.

PS: Q: How do you make a Star Wars enthusiast weep with dispair?
    A: Ask about "The Biggs Scene"!

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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Another Han Solo Blooper?
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 12:11:50 GMT


In a previous article, mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) says:

>Here's another question: When the rebels are evacuating from Hoth, why can Luke
>manage to fly away to Degobah unmolested?  The rest of the rebels had to
>deal with the Imperial Star Destroyers.  Maybe it's just because he's in
>a single X-wing and could slip away unnoticed...but then why did the Falcon
>receive so much attention?  Just wondering out loud.

The X-wing would have been anyone.  Not worth the effort to divert
resources.  The Falcon, on the other hand, they KNEW who was there.
Even if they didn't know that Leia was there, they knew Solo was,
and I would think he'd be pretty high on their hit parade.

However, considering that Vader immediately know Luke was in the
shuttle in ROTJ, why didn't he sense him in the X-wing?  Actually,
answering my own question, now that I think about it ... With all
those people dying in battle, it's got to put out a lot of psychic
interference.

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From: seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Explosions - Just A thought
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:03:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: seawasp@pmax1.cis.pitt.edu

In article <3464@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> tmkst6+@pitt.edu (Theodore M Kostek) writes:
>In article <92203.125140PMETCALF@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> PMETCALF@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>>If there is no oxygen in space, how come there are massive explosions
>>when something is blown up? I'm going on the assumpsion that you need

>1 - if they are using a chemical propellant (not too likely) then they have
>	to be carrying their own oxygen

	And of course, you have to remember:

	Unless body chemistry changed radically over the long long time
ago that's passed, the passengers of all those ships need oxygen, which
is included as part of the vessel... so when the ship explodes, the
oxygen is there.

	Moreover, the explosion will (assuming a powerplant strong enough
to drive a vessel at significant fractions of lightspeed) vaporize and
heat to stellar temperatures all the matter of the spacecraft ANYWAY, just
by sheer radiative power. So whether or not it burns, it'll still glow
and flash and all.


                                 Sea Wasp
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Subject: Re:  Who didn't get figures made of them?
From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 21:07:13 EDT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

sas@TIS.COM ("Steven A. Sturges") writes:

> 
> What about the characters in the bar where Luke and Ben meet Han.  ie
> Greedo et. al?  And the bad there too-- the guys who look like the
> aliens from close encounters!!
> 
> Also what about things other than action figures, like Boba Fetts ship?
> 
> 
Boba Fetts ship?  I have one sitting right next to me!  Comes complete 
with Han ala Carbonite. :-)

Were toy version of the A and B wing fighters ever released?  I know I 
had the models, but I don't recall any neato toys with flashing lights 
and odd sound effects. :-)



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From: sll28@cc.usu.edu (LORNA_PAYNE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Biggs.....
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:11:21 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Jul26.141210.27943@cs.unca.edu>, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
> I have a Star Wars book, in which scenes from the movie are interspersed
> with text...
> 
> ...Luke's old buddy Biggs is in it, in a still from a scene with the
> two talking on Tatooine, from the (non-picture :)) novel. However,
> this wasn't in the movie -- *but* Luke greets his old buddy Biggs
> in the Death Star battle.
> 
> This has always bothered me -- did they cut that scene? Why?

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From: joshuali@usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Bounty Hunters and White 3PO
Date: 30 Jul 1992 21:55:47 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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I just watched ESB and here is where you can see the white 3PO:
	In the control room just as Han walks in for the first time. He is 
	on the left fiddlin' around with the vertical glass-map.

	In the control room again directly behind the chick that says,
	"Stand by Ion control....FIRE!"

	In the control room again during the Hoth battle when Han comes
	back for Leia it's on the left and it's ......DEAD!!!!!It's dead
	just hangin' there.

As for the bounty hunters, they can ALL be seen in the letterboxed version.
Including 4-LOM, ZUCKUSS, DENGAR and the others.  4-LOM and ZUCKUSS can
definitly be seen probably even in the pan & scan version because there
right there in the middle of the screen to the right side of Bossk. Dengar
is the one that is hard to see, you can only see him in the first master
shot way to the left.

-joshuali@usc.edu