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From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: clipless pedals-RFC
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:59:16 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek

In article <1993Jan7.81112.6420@kei.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp> jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp writes:
>In article <RLK.93Jan6170942@underprize.think.com> rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz) writes:
>
> >I've heard rumors that Shimano has new SPD cleats that do have rotation,
> >but I haven't seen them.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
>its true for the new DA SPD pedals anyway.  they come with two sets of
>cleats.  One with squared ends (no rotation) and ones with pointy sort
>of ends (I heard 9 degrees of rotation).  The instructions say that
>you should use the squared ones ONLY with the DA pedals.  I assume
>that that means the pointy ones would be ok with other SPD.  
>
>Personally I am leaning towards SPD since I can have just one pedal
>system on all my bikes and mix and match my shoes (in pairs of course
>:-) to fit the requirements (e.g. road or MTB training, commuting,
>touring...)  The problem is that the DAs are so darn expensive and the
>good Shimano road shoes promise to have a price to match their number
>(i.e., $200).

You could also use the Look system.  It's a bit cheaper and the rotation
is a big plus.  Also, the Look stuff tends to go on sale quite a bit.
I just picked up some MP90 Pro/Elite (read: mtb) pedals for $99 at
Colorado Cyclist.  The pedals are compatible with the 2-bolt MTB
cleats (both black and read versions are included) AND the more common
3-bolt syle.  Even though the MP90 is one-sided, I find it easier to
get into and out-of than SPDs (I've tried 737s).

About the only disadvantage I see to the Look system is that "walkable"
shoes are harder to find and more expensive than SPD-compatible shoes.
Luckily, there are some new walkable, Look-compatible shoes coming out.

>ato de, |m        -- Death by stereo!


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From: Michel Goudeseune <marcelg@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Time Sprint pedals: any good?
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:37:35 GMT

karl_best@novell.com (Karl Best) writes:
>I just ordered a set of Time Sprint pedals from Nashbar (they were on sale).  
>When they arrived the other day I was unpleasantly surprised. They're made of  
>plastic! They look like they'd break on the first ride. I looked at the  
>catologue to make sure that I ordered the right thing--their euphemism for the  
>pedals is "composite construction". 
>
>So... has anyone had any experience with these pedals? Are they very durable?  
>Should I keep them or pay the bucks to upgrade to a better quality model?

I had the same unfortunate experience with Nashbar last year when upgrading my
bike.  However, in my case, they *told me* the pedal was constructed of metal,
not plastic.  I returned them for that reason, and Nashbar did pay return
shipping for the pedals and the matching shoes.  

What I ended up buying was the Time Equipe Magnesium pedals, with the Time
Equipe Carbon shoes.  Nashbar's price: us$440.  I paid cdn$390 for the set at
a local bike shop.

The thing to remember is pay now or pay later.  You'll likely want to
upgrade the sprint pedals in future.  Why not spend the extra bucks now and
get a set of pedals that will last at least a few years longer?

Michel Goudeseune
marcelg@zooid.guild.org
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From: alloyd@uva386.schools.virginia.edu (April Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Fair Market Value Fuji Thrill
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Charlottesville)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 01:14:37 GMT

Keith D. Vanderbeek (kdv@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU ) writes:
>  I am interested in knowing the fair market value for a used
> Fuji Thrill w/ Shimano 200GS shifters. It is in very good
> condition except for the severely scratched front fork.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> ***************************************************************************
> Keith D. VanDerbeek
> Associate Athletic Director for Business Operations
> University of Virginia
 
   

    

Keith,
      The March 1991 issue of Bicycling (the annual buyers
guide) gives the retail price of the Fuji Thrill as $289.00.
Possibly the bike was sold for less than that new.  I would
surmise from that, that the maximum value for the bike would be
$150.00 - $200.00. 

Mike Lloyd
Go 'Hoos!
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From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: clipless pedals-RFC
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:32:55 GMT

rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz) writes:
>The two choices I've seen that fit (1) are the Time TWT and Shimano SPD
>pedals.  The Time seems to be better in (2), but the range of shoes is
>very limited.  While the Time Start shoe fits, it doesn't look like a
>very good shoe (all vinyl outer among other things), and it seems to be
>the only shoe that takes Time TWT cleats.  Given this, I worry whether
>Time is going to carry TWT for any length of time, or simply license
>SPD.

Time is not about to license SPD.  Trust me.  I understand the new Suntour
pedal which appears to be a close copy of Shimano SPD rotates 10 degrees in
either direction.  You might want to look into that.
-Terry
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-Terry
From: gt3930b@prism.gatech.EDU (steve)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: bar ends for sale
Keywords: Avenir Endzone II bar ends
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:36:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Bar Ends for sale:

Avenir End Zone II's
(these are the large L bend style, the plug fits inside of the handlebar
rather than clamping around it, diameter of plug is 11/16" (medium))
black anodized
black cloth tape already on them.

I paid $44, want to sell for $25.  I got them for a tour, it turned out
I needed the larger diameter plug for my bars, so I took them off
a few days into the tour (eg they are nearly new).

E-mail me at:
	Steve Nichols
	gt3930b@hydra.gatech.edu
From: jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W Gourgoutis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Mini-Pump Review 4/5
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:29:47 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1993Jan8.185920.26834@novell.com> chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler) writes:
>
>MT ZEFAL HP MINI DOUBLE-SHOT AND MINI DOUBLE-SHOT
>
>Both of the Zefals had the smoothest feel of all the telescoping pumps.
>Their thumb-lock chucks were the easiest to use with Presta valves. My
>only complaint is the Hp uses a press-fit construction, and cannot be
>serviced (i.e., lubricated) easily (if at all). The Mt. Zefal however,
>uses conventional threaded construction.

	I own a Mt. Zefal HP, and I'm a little disappointed with it.  First of
all, it is rated at 100 psi, but there is no way that it will pump this high.
My road bike tires are rated at 105 psi, and it just doesn't cut it.  This is
not a really big problem, since I got the pump for my MTB.  I wanted the metal
version because I was afraid that the plastic would crack.  I should have 
gotten the plastic version.  It has a higher pumping volume, costs less, and 
is owner-serviceable, since the endcaps unscrew, unlike the press fit metal
model.  The plastic model is only rated to 60 psi, but like I said, the metal
model just doesn't cut it, so this is pretty much a moot point.
	The other thing that really bugs me about this pump is that it is 
supposed to be a double-shot pump, but it only really pumps in the one 
direction.  I tried another Zefal mini, and it did the same thing, so I'm 
convinced that it is a design flaw, and not just a faulty pump.  I was hoping 
that this pump would work as well as my beloved full-size Zefal Double-Shot,
which works VERY well.
	All in all, if I could do it again, I would probably buy the plastic
version.  Or the Blackburn mini pump.  A few months ago, Bicycling did a story
on the various types of minipumps out there, and the blackburn won.
	
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From: dyao@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Disciple o' Tinley )
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Front 700c Aero wheel for sale
Keywords: GO FASTER!
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:07:45 GMT
Distribution: usa

I recently got a 26" wheeled bike frame, and have no more use for my
aero front wheel.  Here it is...

	28 hole American Classic front hub		(light)
	Matrix Iso-II rim 700c (<---obviously)
	DT bladed spokes
	Michelin Ultralite tube (yes, it's a clincher)
	Michelin Hi-Lite Pro (the one with "an aero wing")

The wheel was ordered from Colorado Cyclist 4.5 monthes ago.  I used
it for about 30 miles on good roads.  Since I haven't used it much,
that's another reason why I don't really need it.

All this can be yours for $75 or best offer.
E-mail if you're interested.

Dave    dyao@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: New cleats for Time pedals??
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:36:55 GMT

BTW you should spray your Time pedals with Tri-flow every now and then.
Just in the clipping mechanism.  That makes it alot easier to get in and out
and gives smoother rotation until the cleats wear in.
-Terry
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-Terry
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Wednesday, 6 Jan 1993 12:32:41 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Fiamme Red Labels

I have a set of Fiamme Red Labels, tubular rims strung 36 to Campy Tippo Hubs.
My qustion is are they worth anything?  They are in excellent condition.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: kc@core.rose.hp.com (Kurt Chan)
Subject: Re: Avocet 50 rear wheel speed/cadence system
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:55:42 GMT
Organization: HP, Systems Technology Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

I have the cadence option. It consists of a wider mounting unit which
makes contact with the two extra cadence contacts on the back of the
computer. Normally, these contacts are left unconnected by the narrower
standard mount.

My manual says that Avocet makes a rear wheel pickup. However, I haven't
seen this in any stores or catalogs. It would be relatively easy to make
one, though. The same hardware will mount on a rear wheel - you just need
a longer wire to go from the rear wheel to your handlebars.

If you're handy with a soldering iron, you can cut the cable and insert
a piece of extension cable with micro-connectors at each end: 

                     Extension
    From               cable
  Computer ------M F-----------M F------> To wheel pickup

If you use the above male-female contact setup, you can convert back to a
front wheel picup inconspicuously, while using the kludgy setup for
indoor trainers.

I'll bet this is also cheaper than what Avocet will charge you. 

Regards,
Kurt.
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From: grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers)
Subject: Kestrel info wanted
Reply-To: grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers)
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:05:01 GMT

Hi all,

I would like any opinions anyone has on the Kestrel 200 EMS (reviewed in 
Bicycling in April '92).  I've found one on sale, shimano 600 equiped, for
$1700 (used 6 months).  I know this is a great deal price wise, but I don't know
how durable the bike is.

Email prefered, but posting is ok.

thanks in advance,
Greg
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: mack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack)
Subject: Re: Dura Ace '93 SPD pedals
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 16:19:53 GMT

clemos@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The Chameleon) writes:

>Before the bike dealer, who has ordered my new Trek and swapped in DA 
>SPD pedals, rips me off for too much money - can someone out there tell me what
>the current price is for these damn things? I'd like to walk in there knowing
>how much that bastard is going to try to to screw me for this time.

Why, pray tell, are you doing business with someone that you have this
much trust and respect for?  ;-)

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From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Neophyte wants advice on Hybrid. Please.
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:24:46 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek

In article <C0056z.6p3@cs.uiuc.edu> tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
>chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler) writes:
>>There are a few drop-bar hybrids (still) available.  Here's what I
>>wrote about them after visiting the Interbike trade show:
>>The drop-barred hybrid is all but dead. Gone are Bianchi's Equinox
>>and Miyata's AlumiCross. And while the folks at Bridgestone would
>>hesitate to call their RB-T a "hybrid," it too has been discontinued.
>>Only Bianchi's Volpe-the original production hybrid-remains. The
>>venerable Volpe isn't even listed in the Cross-Terrain (market-speak
>>for "hybrid") section of their '93 catalogue; but instead, is
>>lumped-in with the skinny-tired triple-chainring road bikes. If you
>>want a drop-barred bike, you'd better buy now or be prepared to
>>tinker later.
>
>I meant to ask you about that after reading it in Crosswords.  Why is the
>drop-bar hybrid so scarce?  Is there no demand for them?

"The best bike is a sold bike." -- Bicycle Industry Axiom

The drop-bar hybrid basically sold poorly *compared* to other
bikes in the manufacturers line-ups.  If you have several drop
barred hybrids and none is selling as well as your road or 
mountain bikes, you need to put your resources into what's
selling.  RB-Ts, AlumiCrosses, and Volpes sold decently,
but not as well as RB/MB-1s, Elevation XXXXs, or Grizzlies.
Most manufacturers are putting their money into urban/commuter
bikes or 700C mountain bikes (at least that's what Bianchi
seems to be doing).

Bianchi typically has a large back-stock of drop-bar hybrids.
Bridgestone probably has a fair amount too.  It's not too hard
to convert a bike over to drops, but having someone else do the
legwork for you is preferable.

>-Terry


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From: kubipdal@uts.uni-c.dk (Peter Dalg}rd)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Want advice on low to middle price bikes
Date: 10 Jan 93 20:27:56 GMT
Organization: UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education

HELP!! I can't make up my mind. I want to buy a bike for fitness
racing purposes, but I can't seem to get my options straight.
Basically, I don't need a bike that wins races, just something
that is a pleasure to ride and maintain, and that I cannot blame
my own poor performance on ;-) If I can get myself in shape, I'd
love to run the Zealand Round race (320km) on it this summer.

I think that I at least have found the shop to buy it in. Here's
what they have to offer.

Shimano equipped bikes 500EX-105SC-600 Ultegra in three flavors,
Tange 1000 frame, Columbus Cromor, Cromor with leather saddle and such.
All 9 combinations. Prices from 3500-5600 DKK in an approximately
additive scheme, where you pay 300 DKK for the Cromor and 2-300 more for
the luxury.

Then there's a 600 Dura-Ace/Cromor STI config at 7500. That seems
a bit out of range for me.

They also have two Campagnolo Veloce Ergopower bikes, one on an
11-tube Tange 1000 frame for 5000 and one on an 11-tube Aelle
frame at 6000. The latter also has aero rims and and leather saddle.
These look very attractive, although at least the first one
gives me a somewhat unbalanced impression ("sirloin steak with
french fries and ketchup").

Any suggestions on what to go for? Oh, BTW, exchange rate: 100 USD =
637 DKK, but when it comes to bikes it seems that the practical
rate is more like 10 DKK/$.

Thanx in advance.

	Peter Dalgaard
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From: clemos@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The Chameleon)
Subject: Aerowheels
Summary: Opinions wanted on different types of aerowheels.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 05:42:36 GMT


I'm getting a new Trek (plastic) and I'm pondering some kind of aerodynamic
wheel.  I was thinking of keeping my old Disc wheel cover for the rear wheel
and getting something slick for the front wheel.  A few questions pop up:

1)  How tough/reliable are the wheels?  Will they withstand the occasional
snakebite-inflicting bump?  What kind of warranty will I get?

2) How long will they stay true?  How much maintenance will they need - can 
I do it myself?

Wouldn't it be great to have light, aerodynamic, AND durable wheels that NEVER
needed put up on a trueing stand?  Am I just dreaming? Or do they really exist?

SO... any opinions out there on Mavic 3G, Aeorspoke, Hed wheels, etc?

Any and all conjecture is welcome.

- Camilo

clemos@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

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From: webel@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Dura-Ace SPD price.
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:27:07 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

In article <C0pvsn.3s9@cs.uiuc.edu>, tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
> Someone was asking the other day about Dura-Ace SPD prices and I don't
> remember if he ever got an answer. I just received the new Excel catalog
> today (1-800-627-6664) and they list them at $199.95.  Also the new Velo-News 
> has alot of ads for them from mail-order companies charging the same
> amount.  I wonder if this is retail?  Seems that alot of mail-order places
> offer little if any savings anymore.
> -Terry
> -- 
> -Terry

I have seen the pedals in a local shop for $250, so mail ordering them 
would be a savings.  Of course, I am also told that you need shimano 
shoes to use the pedals, which I am sure are very expensive as well.

Baird
webel@guvax.georgetown.edu
From: jtyl@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (BJ)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Thinking about buying a Bridgestone MB-3
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:58:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1icng9INNe7t@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ce011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott Erdman) writes...
> 
>I'm thinking of buying a Bridgestone MB-3 (mountain bike).
>For those out there who have Bridestones, do you love or hate them?

>Would you recommend one? 

That's a definite affirmative.  

My wife rides a '92 MB-3.  She absolutely loves its handling qualities.
I rode an MB-4 for a couple of years before that.  Good component choices
on the MB-3 - it's a no nonsense, no BS bike.

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From: sutton@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Rich Sutton)
Subject: Re: In defense of Huffys
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 15:20:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1993Jan6.225337.27461@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>
>This is not to denigrate cheap bikes. There is a place for them as commuters
>and toys. But there are good cheap bikes and bad cheap bikes and Huffy and
>Murray seem to build mostly bad cheap bikes.
>
Yes, but that's what gives them character, like an old Japanese monster
movie.  I used to commute on a used Huffy I had picked up for $10. I
put a Schwinn seatpost on it to get some height (had to shim it with a
pop can) and added a rear Campy Nuovo derailleur for humor's sake. The
thing was so bad it was good. Immensely satisfying to blow by the frat
boys riding those fancy MTB's too. It really was fun until one day when I
was hammering up an incline and the frame snapped...
From: wagner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: BRIDGESTONE MB-3 -- Your comments please
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:10:23 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1993Jan6.082853.9526@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>, erdmans@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Wham! With 2 Hands!) writes:
 
> I'm thinking of purchasing a Bridgestone MB-3 (mountain bike) and I would
> like the comments of fellow netters.
> 
> Do you have an MB-3?
> Likes, dislikes, and anything else that would help a perspective buyer.

	Bridgestone is one of my personal favorites. They spec their bikes with
whatever works well. They do not stick to the usual line of "save money by
using the entire set of one product." If they think a Specialized crank is
better than the Deore one that came with the package one the bike they are not
afraid of mixing it in. They have wonderful barebones, get down to business, no
bs frames and parts. Their bikes simply work and work well damn it. You can't
dog on a Bridgestone. If you do then obviously you have no clue as to what a
good bike feels like when you ride it.

	Buy the MB-"whatever"! You can't go wrong.
From: jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Jeff McAffer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: clipless pedals-RFC
Date: 7 Jan 93 08:11:08 GMT
Reply-To: jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp
Organization: University of Tokyo / Object Technology International
X-Bytes: 983

In article <RLK.93Jan6170942@underprize.think.com> rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz) writes:

 >I've heard rumors that Shimano has new SPD cleats that do have rotation,
 >but I haven't seen them.  Does anyone have any suggestions?

its true for the new DA SPD pedals anyway.  they come with two sets of
cleats.  One with squared ends (no rotation) and ones with pointy sort
of ends (I heard 9 degrees of rotation).  The instructions say that
you should use the squared ones ONLY with the DA pedals.  I assume
that that means the pointy ones would be ok with other SPD.  

Personally I am leaning towards SPD since I can have just one pedal
system on all my bikes and mix and match my shoes (in pairs of course
:-) to fit the requirements (e.g. road or MTB training, commuting,
touring...)  The problem is that the DAs are so darn expensive and the
good Shimano road shoes promise to have a price to match their number
(i.e., $200).


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ato de, |m        -- Death by stereo!