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From: wwhitman@nevada.edu (MICHAEL WISE)
Subject: Re: Most-anthologized English-language poem
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:49:28 GMT

In article <C1DCJo.C2E@ccu.umanitoba.ca> feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld) writes:
>From the _Globe and Mail_'s review of William Harmon's _The Top 500
>Poems_ (Jan. 23, 1993):
>
>"400 poetry anthologies were fed into a computer and voila -- the 500
>most anthologized English poems rose to the top.  A revealing snapshot
>of one aspect of Wesern civ, even including a list of the poems in
>order of popularity. (... is Number 1.)"
>
>Can you guess?  I couldn't; but the winner is neither trivial nor
>inappropriate.

I'd guess Mending Wall by Robert Frost. I can't remember an anthology
I've seen that doesn't have this poem; I also can't remember a student
who hasn't read it.

Anthologies can be tricky though. I have yet to discover one that contains
all the poems that I like. Here is a sample of some of the poems I look
for:
	Ezra Pound, The River Merchant's Wife: A Letter 
	John Berryman, from The Dream Songs
	T. S. Eliot, any of a number of his shorter poems that are
		richly evocative or hilarious (Sweeney)
	Thomas Hardy, Neutral Tones
	
There are many others, but I fear running into the same dilemma that
anthologisers run into, that is, prescribing which poems are good and
which are not. I would certainly like to see more Berryman and more 
Whitman, but it is hard to take any part of The Dream Songs or Leaves
of Grass and publish it as a complete poem (likewise with the Cantos).
I find it sad (being an aficionado of modernist poetry, if you haven't
already guessed) that Prufrock is so often published but the Wasteland
(for which there is no substitute) is not, however I can understand the
logic: Prufrock is shorter and more accessible (though I would argue 
that the profound angst of Wasteland, its high notes and low dialogue
"...hardly aware of her departed lover,/ she allows one half-formed 
thought to pass:/ `Well now that's done, and I'm glad it's over'", its
Campbellesque use of myth to tell the story of decline, and its ready
reference to other modernist works all make it very accessible). 
The problem comes when an instructor like myself has to work out of
an anthology that has none of the works he likes in it. 

___________________________________________________________________________
Michael Wise 	(wwhitman@nevada.edu)	UNLV English

"Now I want you to tell me just one thing more. Why do you hate the South?"
"I dont hate it," Quentin said quickly, at once, immediately; "I dont
hate it," he said. I dont hate it he thought, panting in the cold air, 
the iron New England dark: I dont. I dont. I dont hate it! I dont hate it!
				--William Faulkner, Absalom! Absalom!
From: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Mona van Duyn is Poet Laureate
Date: 28 Jan 1993 13:13:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
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The current Poet Laureate of the US is Mona van Duyn.  There was an interview
with her about her new job in a recent issue of the Wilson Library Journal(
at least I think that's its title; I know it's put out by H.W. Wilson).

J. Del Col
-- 
Jeff Del Col      *   DECONSTRUCTION--- the critical method invented      
A-B College       *                      by Procrustes  
Philippi, WV      *                             
                  *
From: dprezios@ep.ieee.org (D Preziosi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Last Exit
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:30:57 GMT
Reply-To: dprezios@ep.ieee.org
Organization: IEEE, New York, NY

I know you asked about the book, but I can tell you that the movie is the
same exact way.
From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
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In <19JAN199316551788@rigel.tamu.edu> spb0457@rigel.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes:
>On the contrary--the assertion that _Gravity's Rainbow_ is a science fiction
>novel is so ridiculous that it gives me pause to think perhaps I'd been
>reading a different _GR_ all these years.

	And of course, Conan is?

>Likewise, to call Vonnegut a `science fiction writer' is equally ludicrous.
>Perhaps I missed the rocketships u.s.w. in _Bluebeard_.
...
>Okay--make a case for _The Man in the High Castle_ being a science fiction
>novel.

	Dick and Vonnegut wrote many novels. Is it now your assertion that
one exception is enough to have us totally ignore the rest of their
work? Two? How many does it take?

>Regardless, even those writers you mentioned--are they as well-known as
>Graham Greene, Anthony Burgess, W. Somerset Maugham, Saul Bellow, Kingsley
>Amis, Thomas Pynchon, Norman Mailer not to mention all the bloody `great
>American novel'ists like Faulkner, Hemmingway u.s.w.--and can sf therefore
>be said to be even close to as influencial as mainstream fiction?  Why
>the bloody hell do you think we call it `mainstream'?

	There's a great French restaurant down the street from where I live.
Sadly, it's not as well known as McDonalds. What's your point?

-- 
		 John Henders
		 Vancouver,BC
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Deconstructing Angelou
Date: 22 Jan 1993 02:19:44 -0800
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In article <1jnqdgINN9hi@morrow.stanford.edu> 
francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:

> I don't read the NYT. It would dishonor my
> Godfather, the great typographer Eric Gill, to do so.

If you let Eric Gill's typographic dicta govern
what you read, you must read *very* little.

Arne
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From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko)
Subject: Re: Robert Conquest's _The Great Terror_
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:03:05 GMT

In article <C1AL8J.KL@panix.com> gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:
>In article <13987@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>| In article <1993Jan16.012254.19411@husc3.harvard.edu>, zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:
>|> In article <kosinov.727131357@ceg.uiuc.edu> 
>|> kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky) writes:
>|## In fact, Nikolai Krylenko, one of the key executors of War Communism (as the 
>|##Commissar of Interior) stated bluntly that killing the innocent was essential,
>|##since people aren't scared enough when only the guilty are killed.
>|# 
>|# Essentially the same principle underlies the public support for
>|# capital punishment in the US.  What exactly are you trying to prove,
>|# and why is it relevant to my point?
>| 
>| Huh?  I've never met a person who supported execution of the innocent
>| (except, of course, in rec.arts.books, where intellectuals hang out
>| and justify murder of 1 1/2 year olds by Communists).  I am not 
>| comfortable with capital punishment, but I know better than to make 
>| the claim that Americans support execution of the innocent.
>
>But it is certain that mistakes will be made, and the
>innocent sometimes executed, even if not very often.
>This is a well-known fact and the public remains 
>unmoved by it, the beneficial effects of the death
>penalty being considered more important.  Therefore 
>they support the same idea of terror as Krylenko;
>the difference is that Krylenko was explicit.
>-- 
>
> )*(    Gordon Fitch    )*(    gcf@panix.com    )*(
>( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta.,  NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 )

You must like Adolf Hitler, then. He was even more explicit.




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From: elltankw@nuscc.nus.sg (Tan Kok Wan Peter (Dr))
Subject: Re: INDIAN (ENGLISH) LITERATURE
Organisation: National University of Singapore
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:04:02 GMT

                                27th Jan
On the subject of Indian Literature, I was wondering if I might be able to
elicit some opinions about Mark Tully's *No Full Stops in India*.

      I know that the label `Literature' might be inappropriate.  The book
is really a series of narrative-essays like the Sikh extremists in the
Golden Temple, or the Holy Bath in the Ganges, or the case of a `sati' in
a village in Rajasthan.  This has been highly acclaimed by reviewers, and
I have found the book a fascinating read, with some brilliant phraseology.

      Has anyone of Indian descent/Indian national read it?  What do you
think?  
                               Peter Tan
                               Dept of English Language and Literature,
                               National University of Singapore
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From: sterbenc@ivhs.mot.com (Joe Sterbenc)
Subject: Re: "Harlan Ellison's Watching" by Harlan Ellison
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:12:47 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.books

In article <leo.727693316@draconis>, leo@cp.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart)
wrote:
> 
> sbrock@csn.org (Steve Brock) writes:
> 
> > This book of reviews gets an unequivocal "fingers up." 
> 
> Seconded. I enjoyed it tremendously as well, and to my surprise I
> actually found Harlan not *nearly* as aggressive and arrogant as I had
> expected him to be, from what I had heard of him (I shouldn't be
> surprised, I suppose). In fact, I simply just agreed with him most of
> the time: I always knew "Gremlins" was a nasty, schizophrenic, sadistic
> piece of junk, but Harlan makes the point so much better than I could
> ever have done myself.
> 
> Anyway, I have a question for the Harlan experts out there: in the book,
> Harlan mentions working on a major Hollywood movie screenplay, but he is
> so embarrassed about what eventually became of it that he doesn't even
> want to tell us the name of that movie. But of course I'm just dying
> to know which movie he's talking about. Does anybody know?
> 
> -- 
> Leo Breebaart  (leo @ cp.tn.tudelft.nl)

"The Essential Ellison" includes an amusing screenplay called "Flintlock"
in the style of Bond or Our Man Flint. Quite funny, but not really
classic cinema.

BTW, go rent "The Terminator" and watch the very end of the credits:

		"A SPECIAL THANKS TO THE WORKS OF HARLAN ELLISON"

I believe there was a lawsuit involved.

=====
Joe Sterbenc - Intelligent Vehicle Highway Systems - Motorola
All opinions are my own, but can be rented for reasonable rates
sterbenc@ivhs.mot.com
=====
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Warrior Queens (was: Paglia)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 13:39:55 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
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John NcCarthy writes:

	My guess is that Thatcher adopted the tone of a female scold 
	intentionally.  Scolding people was necessary for accomplishing 
	her goals.  What griped the left and the tory wimps like Ted 
	Heath was her success with that approach.

As an historical footnote, when I knew Margaret Roberts (as she was then)
at Oxford her tone was not that of a scold but rather loud, "county",
huntin', shootin and fishin'. It was plausible enough to get her elected
Prez of the OU Conservative Association.

							RABworm
From: spb0457@rigel.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Read 'em and weep: Depressing novels (was books be don't censor)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 12:58 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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Lauren Crawford writes...
>>>_A Confederacy of Dunces_  (no wonder this guy killed himself)
>>Waitaminnit.  I remember _A Confederacy of Dunces_ as having a `happy'
>>ending--Ig escaping imprisonment and electroshock by his skin and his teeth
>>following a deus ex Myrna...
>Funny how much of this book I've managed to block out ... but no, I meant
>the author, not Ignatious.  

+----------------------------------------SubG-------------------------------+
I parsed that you meant John Toole and not Ig Reilly, but still don't think
that the book is depressing--quite the opposite, I find quite a few chuckles
between the two covers.






-SubGenius
From: nichael@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Most-anthologized English-language poem
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:40:02 GMT
	<1993Jan26.160823.25232@grebyn.com> <C1KG6r.9IC@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>
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In-reply-to: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk's message of 28 Jan 93 13:30:26 GMT

jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
   fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) wrote:
   > Michael Feld challenges us to guess what's *the* most anthologized
   > English poem of all time.  I'm really looking forward to seeing that
   > list of the top ten--computers can be so much fun sometimes.
   > The William Blake "Tyger" poem sounds pretty plausible, but I'll
   > throw in a few more what-the-hell guesses:
   > 	--John Keats' "On a Grecian Urn"
   > 	--Edgar A. Poe's "The Raven"
   > 	--John Donne's "Song: Go and Catch a Falling Star" or
   > 	   maybe the "no man is an island" one
   > Let's have some more guesses!
   Shakespeare: "Shall I compare thee to a summer's day..."
   Burns: "My love is like a red, red rose..."
   Milton: "When I consider how my light is spent..."

Anon: "There was an old man from Nantucket..."
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From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Robert Conquest's _The Great Terror_
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:43:24 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <C1AL8J.KL@panix.com>, gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:
> In article <13987@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> | In article <1993Jan16.012254.19411@husc3.harvard.edu>, zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:
# |# Essentially the same principle underlies the public support for
# |# capital punishment in the US.  What exactly are you trying to prove,
# |# and why is it relevant to my point?
# | 
# | Huh?  I've never met a person who supported execution of the innocent
# | (except, of course, in rec.arts.books, where intellectuals hang out
# | and justify murder of 1 1/2 year olds by Communists).  I am not 
# | comfortable with capital punishment, but I know better than to make 
# | the claim that Americans support execution of the innocent.
# 
# But it is certain that mistakes will be made, and the
# innocent sometimes executed, even if not very often.
# This is a well-known fact and the public remains 
# unmoved by it, the beneficial effects of the death

Unmoved?  Or not moved enough to abandon the death penalty?  There
IS a difference.

# penalty being considered more important.  Therefore 
# they support the same idea of terror as Krylenko;
# the difference is that Krylenko was explicit.
# -- 
# 
#  )*(    Gordon Fitch    )*(    gcf@panix.com    )*(

No, the difference is that the public of this country, if they
knew that someone was definitely innocent, would NOT support
that innocent person's execution -- unlike Krylenko.

It is very sad that the population of this country is too stupid
to recognize that the death penalty isn't the only alternative
to putting violent savages back on the streets.  But this could
be fixed, if liberals were willing to lock up murderers for life,
instead of looking for excuses to return them to the streets
pronto.


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"When freedom destroys order, order will destroy freedom." -- Eric Hoffer
Not a goal, just a statement of reality.
From: c60b-2hz@e260-3d.berkeley.edu (Nathaniel Meyers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Mystery
Keywords: Mystery, Police Proced.,
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:22:36 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <21JAN199309022639@scsuc.ctstateu.edu> varmette@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (SHIRLEY VARMETTE - SOCIOLOGY) writes:


>about all of Tony Hillerman's and wonder when there will be another.  I
>also wonder whatever happen to the movie that was to have been made based
>on one of his?  I remember at the time reading that there was considerable
>discussion/debate as to which actor would play the main character.
>
Yeah. I remember seeing a paperback of _The Dark Wind_ with the heading
"Soon to be a Major Motion Picture".  What happened?  I think it also said
starring so and so but I can't rememeber who.  And you're right-- it's about
time for a new book, isn't it?
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From: changh2@lib105.its.rpi.edu (Henry Chang)
Subject: Re: luuuurk
Reply-To: changh2@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:06:27 GMT

Thanks for all the responses.  Thanks especially to those of you who referred me to that DICTIONARY thing.

Lurking isn't my style, so:

I'm a second year student in computer science at Rensselaer Polytechnic
Institute (upstate New York).  I'm not too thrilled by the curriculum here, it's very technology-oriented (for obvious reasons), and the H&SS department seems to be given the heave-ho sometimes.  At any rate, my passion is fiction.  Favorite authors of mine:  E.L. Doctorow, Margaret Atwood, Flannery O'Connor.  Despite the
anti-Irving stuff posted here, I really enjoyed his GARP, and thought his HOTEL NEW HAMPSHIRE wasn't bad.  I like James Joyce a lot when I can understand him, and I'd have to vehemently disagree with whoever posted that PORTRAIT was (I think he said) one of the most overrated books of all time.  Boo hiss!

Henry
changh2@rpi.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast
From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: hanif
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:40:30 GMT

In article <1jrumcINNqrf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bv652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ilan Uri Woll) writes:
>In a previous article, yamen@cae.wisc.edu (Soner Yamen) says:
>
>>Bildigim kadariyla "hanif" cahiliye devrinde Hz. Ibrahim (as)'a
>>tabii olup, putlari reddedenlere deniyor.
>>
>
>It is EXTREMELY bad form to print a message in Arabic and not translate 
>for the rest of us.

You are partly right, namely in that a considerable amount of that message
is made up of arabic words that migrated into our language.

However, it is too bad you cannot differentiate between Turkish and Arabic.

It is worse you tell users of a newsgroup which is established for them, and
not people of other nations to also use other nations' languages in 
their messages.

So, we'll have to translate into English.

Bah!

This is our newsgroup, and it's YOUR problem if you don't understand 
our language. 
-- 
Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
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From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Mastodon Poetry (was Deconstructing Angelou)
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:12:45 GMT

In article <C19Gx1.9LM@panix.com>, jk@panix.com (Jim Kalb) writes:
|> In article <1jmvhtINNoft@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
|> 
|> >	... the mastadon, the dinosaur 
|> >	who left dry tokens of their sojourn 
|> >	here on our planet floor ...
|> 
|> It's good to see an addition to the genre of mastodon poetry.  The only
|> other example I know of is a parody of _The Waste Land_:
 
 I think you'd better start alt.fan.mastodons for this one. Probably the
lemur folks would be able to give you some tips on starting.
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From: jk@panix.com (Jim Kalb)
Subject: Re: Mastodon Poetry
Organization: Institute for the Human Sciences
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:58:29 GMT

In <1993Jan24.220725.18380@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:

>Now it's going to come up sooner or later anyway, so we might as
>well decide from the start: will we allow poems containing references
>to either of the two types of extinct woolly pachyderms?  

I'd be inclined to, although of course some critics hold that a mastodon
is to a mammoth as tragedy is to melodrama or comedy to farce.

>				 happy mastodon/mammoth poetry hunting,

I'm having trouble.  I did electronic searches of both _Paradise Lost_
and the Bible (available by ftp from SIMTEL), and discovered that
neither Milton nor the Psalmists mention either animal, at least
explicitly.  I've not given up, though.
-- 
Jim Kalb (jk@panix.com)
"Alles Erworbne bedroht die Maschine, solange
sie sich erdreistet, im Geist, statt im Gehorchen, zu sein."  (Rilke)
From: ah@dunaad.co.uk (Alan Hunter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Question - what's the word for ...
Date: 24 Jan 93 11:58:47 GMT
Organization: Dunathad

Francis Muir writes:

>Dr. Spooner, like many Oxford College 
>Fellows of his day, held a minor appointment in the Church of England. He
>was also Dean of his College (Christchurch?). 

New College. He may not have been a catholic but I seem to remember being
told that he was an albino.

Alan
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Subject: Re: Question - what's the word for ...
Organization: Dunathad

Francis Muir writes:

>Dr. Spooner, like many Oxford College 
>Fellows of his day, held a minor appointment in the Church of England. He
>was also Dean of his College (Christchurch?). 

New College. He may not have been a catholic but I seem to remember being
told that he was an albino.

Alan
-- 
Alan Hunter
Johnson Hunter Ltd
Isle of Islay, Scotland
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,talk.politics.soviet
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Robert Conquest's _The Great Terror_
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<JMC.93Jan24220019@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
	<1993Jan25.122432.19779@husc3.harvard.edu>
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:55:48

In article <1993Jan25.122432.19779@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:

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