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From: mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones)
Subject: Re: how do we cut NYC from the rest of the state?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 06:08:54 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research
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goldm@rpi.edu (Mitchell E. Gold) writes:
: In article <1993Jan7.004623.24658@nmsu.edu> dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes:
: >It has _lots_ of tax-sucking infrastructure like an extensive freeway system,
: >a subway, two large SUNY schools, an airport that desperately needs to be  
: >rebuilt/relocated, and so on.
: 
: I should check some numbers on this, but the Capital District is getting to be
: quite a sprawl. It currently covers three counties (Albany, Schenectady,
: Rensselaer), three major cities (Albany, Schenectady, Troy), the Town of
: Colonie which seems to fill most of the gaps in between, and outlying areas
: like Saratoga Springs (Saratoga county). You want highways; we've got highways;

Yep. The "metro area", which covers pretty much everything from Albany to
Saratoga and Troy to Schenectady, is now over a million people. It's right
around the 50th largest TV market in the country.

: three plus a spur and a loop (I-87,I-90,I-88,I-787,I-890). One major airport
: currently undergoing renovations. A major rail hub (Boston-Chicago,NYC-Toronto,

Major?!? Ha!!! I like living here, but the airport sucks big red rocks.

   Mike Jones  |  AIX/ESA Development  |  mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com

The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers
there will be.
	- Lao Tsu
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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: Wings
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:52:00 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
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I'm stuck here in Atlanta and long for the good wings of home. The best
substiute that I have found are Tyson's frozen wings ( yes frozen). I get
them at our local Sam's wharehouse and they are really good. If you
do find them don't get the breaded ones get the deep fried kind (yellow and
red bag).



Any port in a storm!
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From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: OK, how do you say... Williamsville!
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:28:57 GMT

lingling@abraxas.adelphi.edu (Lisa Nyman) writes:

: Funny, those of us who lived west of Hopkins thought we were the wrong
: side of the tracks, while those uppity 'East Amherst' people had all the
: pools and tennis courts :-)).  

With the rate that developers are building mansions in Clarence, it's getting  
to the point where being west of _Transit_ is considered being on the wrong  
side of the tracks.  

Where are all these mega-rich people coming from ... they're not coming from  
the city, because the exodus from central Buffalo ended about ten years ago ...  
in fact, the old money is still there, and there's a lot of gentrification  
going on.  Two potential theories ...

* Residents of Canada are moving south of the border, selling their $500,000 3  
bedroom, 1.5 bath raised ranch homes in North York or Mississauga and buying a  
much larger home in Amherst/Clarence, commuting to their jobs in the Great  
White North.  

* Employees transferred from New York City to back offices in Buffalo by banks,  
brokerage houses and other financial service firms sell their overpriced homes  
back on Lawngisland, and find that $300,000 buys a lot more house in Buffalo. 


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From: mkc@Graphics.Cornell.edu (Mitch Collinsworth)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: how do we cut NYC from the rest of the state?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 17:19:23 -0500
Organization: Cornell University Program of Computer Graphics
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In <GOLDM.93Jan7111147@sage4a.rpi.edu> goldm@rpi.edu (Mitchell E. Gold) writes:

>I should check some numbers on this, but the Capital District is getting to be
>quite a sprawl.
...
>One major airport
>currently undergoing renovations.

You call that a major airport?  I had to drop a friend off there
recently and managed to blink and miss the entrance THREE TIMES.  I was
*expecting* a major airport and was majorly suprised at how tiny it is.
Sort of reminded me of home.

-Mitch Collinsworth
 mitch@graphics.cornell.edu
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From: gsfm@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Seymour Morris)
Subject: Re: Say it isn't so
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:53:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.163042.20201@fuug.fi> an4140@anon.penet.fi writes:
>
>Trinkaus Manor *burned down*  ???!!!!
>
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Yes, it did.  No more lights.  NiMo wont need to build another plant.
73 Len
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thursday, 7 Jan 1993 05:18:28 MST
From: <KHDLC@ASUACAD.BITNET>
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Subject: Re: Up-State "SNOW"
Distribution: na

After living in NYC for 13 years (as a kid) my family moved 'upstate'
to Kingston...wow! I went to college in Utica and found out Kingston
wasn't 'upstate'.

Aside from the Matts Brewery located in Utica, I do remember the
snow and how the roads were hardly ever touched...people made good
use of their snowmobiles during the winter months!!!
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From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)
Subject: Re: The Last of the Mohicans
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:27:20 GMT

In article <C0Iyr6.CoF@world.std.com> moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) writes:
}ramon@convex.com (Ramon Dominguez) writes:
}
}
}>This film was set in New York State, was it actually filmed there?
}>It is obvious that the forts appearing or referred to in the movie
}>were close to Albany, but where exactly?  Is that where the movie
}>was filmed, or did they film somewhere else?
}
}My father told me that most of it, other than site-specific scenes,
}were filmed in North Carolina or something.

I heard it was West Virginia.  Mom, a native of Lewis County and a Rochester
alumna, couldn't stand all the rhododendrons in the movie!

Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly
starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu

"True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten
oneself and others." - Francois Marie Arouet Voltaire
From: v120qldp@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (JAY WALKER)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: OK, how do you say... Cheektowaga
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:32:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1id41gINNrh6@transfer.stratus.com>, tgreen@sw.stratus.com (Tom Green) writes...
> 
>I have to admit that my Buffalo geography is a little
>rusty but was (is?) Salvatore's Italian Gardens in Cheektowaga?

I am very embarrassed to say that Salvatore's is in Lancaster and only two
miles from my house.  =(

I used to drive right past it every day on the way to school.  But, since they
started tearing up the corner of Genessee and Transit, I go a different way.

They're tearing down the hills on Transit and Genesee that go over an old
railroad track and also putting in new sewers.  That's all fine and dandy but 
the cretins started doing it in July.  They finished the hill on Transit in
November, but the last time I drove down Genessee, ~three weeks ago, they had
barely started on the hill there.  Can you imagine what a mess it must be
like to drive through there on a snowy day?  Lucky for them we haven't had any 
bad snowfall for quite a while.

The strange thing about tearing down the hills and the railroad track is that
it seems as if the track is still in use.  To avoid the hill, they built a new 
road off of Tadio Street that connects to Genessee right in front of Frey's.  
But, they didn't remove the track.  They put the wooden gate/flashing red light
signal things on both sides of the road in front of the track.

Which brings up the obvious questions:

If the track is no longer used, why didn't they remove it from the ground and
why did they install the signals?

If the track is still being used, why the hell are they removing the hills?

>There was also a shop only a few blocks from Salvatore's
>which sold all of the Cheektowaga-required lawn items (flamingos,
>big colored shiny balls on pedastals, jockeys with lanterns, etc.)
>What was the name of that place?  

Sorry, I don't know what you are referring to.  How long ago was this, and in
what direction is the shop?


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From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: OK, how do you say... Williamsville!
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:57:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan5.002508.21895@nmsu.edu>, dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes...

>Recently, however, they both had to move out when the Amherst Highway  
>Department realigned North Forest Road.  The former residents are currently on  

	and I thought that that was the county doing all that work...

Bob,
	from down the street...

=============================
Robert Weiss
psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: syny@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (R Craig Stevenson)
Subject: Re: NY wines?
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date:  5 Jan 93 22:59:02 GMT

kreckman@cbmvax.commodore.com (Steve Kreckman) writes:
>Has anyone got any recommendations for decent wines from the Finger Lakes
>region? Growing up in Rochester, it seems that the only wines from the area
>were *deathly* sweet (eg. Lake Niagra, cheap blush wines, etc.).

I'm not a wine expert, but I pretend to be.....

My experience growing up in Ohio w/the Lake Erie wineries was the
same--very sweet and undrinkable unless already drunk!  So I was
*quite* surprised to find out the upstate NY has some very excellent
wines!

I have found that both Wagner and Swedish Hill (both between Cayuga &
Seneca lake) have some very nice *white* wines.  Don't know the names
of the varieties off hand, however.

So far, the following seem (to me) to be farily good rules of thumb:
1) They "cayuga grape" makes nice wines
2) You need to specify that you want *dry* wines, otherwise you will
   get the sickly sweet varieties.  Most wineries make a wide range of
   wines ranging for very dry (i.e. good) to very sweet (i.e. yuck!).
3) Stay away from anything *red* that has come out of this area!  They
   are all very sweet and fruity.  [caveate:  there are a *few* good
   reds put out by Wagner and others, but you need to know what you
   are looking for or else you will get the gross stuff].  I
   personally prefer red wines, but I stick with N. California for
   those.

disclaimer:  some people (like my mother) really like the sweet and
fruity red and white wines.  In that case:  you'll love anything
coming out of upstate NY from the better wineries.

-- Craig


   

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From: fybush@world.std.com (Scott D Fybush)
Subject: Re: The Great, Great House of Guitars!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:23:06 GMT

I grew up in Rochester (Brighton High '88) and I'm now living in
Boston, and as much as I love the H.O.G., I must say I've been
disappointed the last few times I was in there.

First, there's the famed "H.O.G. Exclusion Principle," which states
that:

1) No matter how obscure the performer, the HOG will always have at
least one album by that performer.

--BUT--

2) It will _never_ be the album you're actually looking for.

(And the Corollary: The album you're looking for is filed under "Q"
in the Jazz section, but you'll never find it). :-)

And truth be told, Newbury Comics and Tower have prices as low as
the HOG, especially if you have a coupon.

Of course, the atmosphere's just not the same anywhere but the HOG...
and that's why I always make the pilgrimage up 590 every time I'm 
home.

ObHOG Anecdote: I took my grandmother up there once.  She stood 
nervously by the entrance to the New (sic) Back Building Expansion
while I browsed, smiled politely when someone told her "Jesus
loves you, grandma!," and vowed firmly never to go back there
again.  It's been six years and she hasn't so far.

Scott Fybush -- fybush@world.std.com
 Can I have a Zweigle's White Hot with some Nance's mustard?" "Whaddya
mean all you have are Fenway Franks?!?!?!?!"
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From: wgajewski@csulb.edu (Walter Gajewski)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: wings in Southern Cal?
Keywords: buffalo, wings
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:56:00 GMT
Organization: Academic Computing, CSULB

Where can I find good Buffalo Wings in Southern California (Long Beach
area)?  Also -- (and this is probably more difficult) can I get
beef-on-weck out here?
Thanks
Walter Gajewski
California State University, Long Beach
gajewski@csulb.edu
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From: dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: OK, how do you say... Cheektowaga
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:44:39 GMT

v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case) writes:

: shouldn't Cheektowaga really be spelled "Czyktowaga" given its Polish  
population?

Someone told me there was actually a "Cheektowaga Polka" that is frequently  
played on local radio.  For those not familiar with Buffalo radio, many radio  
stations play polka music on Sunday mornings.  One popular showplace for polka  
is the "Stash Yashashinski Show", which reportedly plays the Cheektowaga Polka.   
Is there such a thing, and can I get a copy of this?  I wonder what else is out  
there ...

"WECK presents 'da Chickatavaga Polka cumpact disk .. wit' all off your  
favorite hits, including ...

* Cheektowaga is Polish for I Love You
* The Day Stan's Ran Out of Genny Cream
* Poles Have Warm Hearts and Nice Lawns
* My Aries Broke Down on Union (and I Don't Have Any Genesee)
* The Galleria's Too Fancy For Me
* There's no Good Bingo in Amherst 
* Maryvale Volunteer Fire Department Drinking Song
* I Haven't Been Downtown in Ten Years (and Who Needs to Anyhow)
* Dyngus Day Massacare
* When I Get Rich I'll Move to Depew

.. and lots of yer oter favorite polkas from tru' da' years ..."

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From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney)
Subject: Re: The Last of the Mohicans
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:42:41 GMT

ramon@convex.com (Ramon Dominguez) writes:


>This film was set in New York State, was it actually filmed there?
>It is obvious that the forts appearing or referred to in the movie
>were close to Albany, but where exactly?  Is that where the movie
>was filmed, or did they film somewhere else?

My father told me that most of it, other than site-specific scenes,
were filmed in North Carolina or something.

One of the forts is Ft. Ticonderoga, on Lake Champlain, and is almost
halfway to Canada from Albany.

-Mike
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From: sck@watson.ibm.com (Scott C. Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Up-State "SNOW"
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 14:39:04 GMT
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Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research Center

When I moved down to White Plains from Rochester, I was surprised to see the 
complete lack of heavy snow plows and the sheer panic that hits when the
roads are "dusted". In Rochester, it would snow 5-7 inches and the roads 
were dry and clear within an hour and I would have to go to school. In 
Westchester, it snows 3-5 inches and the county is shutdown for a week.

And the drivers have no clue about snow conditions driving.
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From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: how do we cut NYC from the rest of the state?
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:32:00 GMT

In article <1iiavdINNqod@transfer.stratus.com>, fms@sw.stratus.com (Faith Senie) writes:

|> But you should probably take everything in Massachusetts west of Springfield
|> and put it in whichever of these New York puppies gets Albany (Adirondack?), 
|> because nobody in Massachusetts believes there's anything west of Springfield, 
|> anyways (besides which, that section of Mass is as conservative as central New 
|> York State -- I always feel rather like I'm still in Cooperstown when I go out
|> there.  It's very much unlike the easternmost reaches of Mass, which are 
|> more liberal, and Pittsfield and their neighbors would probably feel more
|> at home as part of Adirondack...)
 
 Well, since we gave Vermont to Adirondack, probably no one will complain if 
we do the same for Berkshire County. And I'll even consider throwing in 
Litchfield County in CT, but we'd better take a referendum on that one, as 
they do have closer ties to Hartford than Albany. Fairfield County, on the
other hand, should be given to New Amsterdam (greater NYC). At least everything
from Danbury on south, anyhow. That part of CT is another NYC suburb. 
Bridgeport can be used for target practice or nuclear waste dumping. Or just
make Bridgeport part of the Bronx... no one would notice the difference.
 
 Just to raise the ratio of New York-related content, the Bridgeport to 
Port Jefferson ferry is my favorite way to get to Long Island when I'm not
in a hurry. A nice relaxing ride in the summertime.
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From: MCGLONE@auvm.american.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: NY wines?
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:13:05 GMT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

There are lots of good stuff up there (now that I'm in DC I miss it).
You should seriously consider getting a map and driving around to check
out the smaller wineries.  I grew up in Wayne County (your next door neighbor)
and I spent many an hour touring a lot of these places -

check out Bully Hill and Konstantin's (?) on Keuka
check out rt. 14 on Seneca (Four Chimney's, Glenora, among *many* other
great ones)

All the smaller wineries are very friendly and helpful, so if you
like reds, they will make their suggestions and let you try them.
I've even found that they will suggest other wineries nearby if you
are looking for something in particular.

Colleen McGlone
HRD - IS                     Internet: MCGLONE@AMERICAN.EDU
The American University      Bitnet: MCGLONE@AUVM
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From: jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall)
Subject: Re: Da Bills
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:21:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.193315.15878@fuug.fi> an3149@anon.penet.fi (nomad) writes:
>Only one thing to say
>
>Da Bills !!!!!!!
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Only one more thing to say:

DA 'BOYS!!

Is there anyone from the Syracuse area who's as SICK of the Bills hype in the
Salt City as I am??  I mean, that's BUFFALO, not the 'Cuse.

Of course, after Sunday's humiliation of the Eagles, I had to watch my back
here (one more time:  DA 'BOYS!!!)  :^)

A Dallas fan,
Jeremy Hall
Penn State Univ.
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From: steveo@custard.think.com (stephen anthony)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: NY wines?
Date: 5 Jan 93 10:44:28
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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In-reply-to: kreckman@cbmvax.commodore.com's message of 5 Jan 93 14:08:01 GMT

In article <38299@cbmvax.commodore.com> kreckman@cbmvax.commodore.com (Steve Kreckman) writes:

   Has anyone got any recommendations for decent wines from the Finger Lakes
   region? Growing up in Rochester, it seems that the only wines from the area
   were *deathly* sweet (eg. Lake Niagra, cheap blush wines, etc.). I know there
   have been many small wineries opening in the region over the past few years
   and I'd appreciate any info/suggestions.   

Konstantine Frank (erstwhile known as Dr. K's), a little north of Bully
Hill (on the west bank of Keuka Lake) makes some phenomenal wines. I have a
few bottles of '88 Cabernet aging in the cellar. They're not being opened
until Jan 1, 2000. The stuff was delicious 3 years ago, and I have nothing
but the highest hopes that another 10 years in the bottle will do wonders
for it.
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From: cfmdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Michael Cook)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: The Great, Great House of Guitars!
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:44:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Educational Computing Network

The references to the House of Guitars really jogged my memory.  Do you
remember Mr. Tomato?  What was Armand's (the proprietor and cult
recording artist) last name?