HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
X-Delivery-Notice:  SMTP MAIL FROM does not correspond to sender.
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:33:29 EST
From:         MacPhil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ratings for tv
Comments: To: Forum for the Discussion of Politics <POLITICS@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu>

On Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:42:45 -0500 Jason Briggs Cormier said:
>The reality we see on television right now didn't once exist.  Of this
>I am certain, because the games and play that I experienced is nowhere
>near as violent as that of the children who are playing right now.
>To my recollection, violence wasn't nearly as accessible to children
>just ten years ago when I was playing my less-violent games.  True
>that doesn't prove cause and effect, but I think that it does say
>a good deal.

Perhaps so, but now we've got Tipper wanna-bes censoring Bugs Bunny,
Wile E. Coyote vs. Road Runner, etc. claiming the cartoons are
showing violence isn't really harmful...

------------------------------------------------------------------------
When ambidextrous people can't do it right, we do it left.

MacPhil / iqti400@indycms.bitnet / iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Original_To:  BITNET%"POLITICS@OHSTVMA.BITNET"
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:46:00 EST
From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: How to defeat AIDS

yes, that's it, but i thought it was supposed to be available here...i
remember they were even quoting prices (which of course were exorbitant
compared with male condoms).
didn't look very workable to me....

-linda
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:08:50 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Is Quayle pro-choice?
              26 Jul 1992 12:59:56 EDT from <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

Awright, look.

I just saw the Quayle statement again.  He did *not* say "I would support
the decision."  He said "I would support my daughter.  I hope she would not
make that decision."  The hypothetical was phrased as pertaining to the
daughter *as an adult*, not as a child (as was the one posed the next day,
to which his response was that she would have the baby.)  I have yet to
meet a prolife activist who would abandon his or her child for *any* reason.
Prolife activists, as I have said before, are capable of separating an
evil action from a sinful human being.  The human being in sin is offered
sympathy, love, and support; the action is condemned as wrong.  Any loving
parent would have responded as Quayle did.
                                          --Missy Justice
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Delivery-Notice:  SMTP MAIL FROM does not correspond to sender.
X-Envelope-to: POLITICS@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.EDU
X-mailer:     Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R2).
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:49:39 EST
From:         "Greg `TwoTone' Spiegelberg" <GSPIEGEL@BSA1.KENT.EDU>
Subject:      MacPhils signature
Comments: To: POLITICS@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.EDU

From:          MacPhil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>

}------------------------------------------------------------------------
}When ambidextrous people can't do it right, we do it left.
}
}MacPhil / iqti400@indycms.bitnet / iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu

I was a bit slow to reason this out but the above statement is
incorrect.

Ambidextrous people are ambidextrous because they can do things with
both hands therefore if you can't do it with your right but can with
your left you are not ambidextrous and vice versa.

Don't worry though, your secret is safe with the people of this list.
:)

-Greg
Don't worry it's just me being picky.
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 09:31:57 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Is Quayle pro-choice?
              30 Jul 1992 10:00:36 GMT from <pmoloney@MATHS.TCD.IE>

Paul:

No, we've just decided to stop beating a dead horse.  Since none of us
*are* Dan Quayle, we can come to no consensus as to what he *meant*.
(We can't even agree on what he *said*.)  Move on.

                                           --Missy Prez 2 B
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Envelope-to: politics@ohstvma.bitnet
X-VMS-To: IN%"politics@ohstvma.bitnet"
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:59:00 EDT
From:         "push the button, frank!" <SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET>
Subject:      on the lam

(When last we left, our heroe had just fled the stage, a fugitive from
quantum justice.  Nevertheless, pushed by a strange, gnawing sense of
duty, he comes out of hiding a day later, and calls a press conference.)

"After extensive consultation with my running mate, it has been decided that
he will be in charge of issues of a quantum and/or feline nature.  As for the
solution to the equation, I can only say...'volleyball.'  I'm not sure why,
but it fits all the available information.

"Now, on to electoral matters.  Our superlative opponents, KilburN and
StephensoN, are engaging in egregious obfuscation of the issues: namely,
what about those photos of Mrs. Smith?  I can say quite clearly that I've
never, ever, had an affair with Mrs. Smith, nor have I ever known her by
her stage name, 'Mistress Justice'.  Go ahead, follow me around.  You'll
be very illuminated.

"I can't answer any of Mr. SchledorN's charges until I see his position
papers.  However, my birthday is August 16th, the same day (though not the
same year) that Elvis Presley died.  Coincidence?  I think not.

"As for the election pairings, here is the latest update:
            #1: KilburN/StephensoN (the all Kerry ticket)
    -->*****#2: JohnsoN/OlsoN******<---  (vote for us! you know you want to!)
            #3: SchledorN/LoriN
            #4: LorsoN/SultaN
            #5: DuncaN/"HoffmaN"
            #6: FeinsteiN/ZimmermaN
            #7: FreemaN/AlleN (the all Andy ticket)

"Now, on to the matter of logic.  It is clear that we need a logic czar,
to curb the abuses of logic that are running rampant in this nation.  It has
been alleged that I have experimented with logic, but that is clearly
hearsay.  At any rate, it is the heavy abusers of logic, like Travis, that
are our real concern.  With Jamie as our logic czar, we stand ready to promote
safe use of logic.  Our scintillating opponents have not yet perceived the
need for this cabinet position, being concerned with 'family values' and
having their houses painted.

"A couple questions, now..."

"What about the claims by state's rights activists like Mr. Kidd that the
superimposition of states is clearly unconstitutional?" the list defender of
the media asked.

"I'll have to refer that question to Tim.  Yes, Sam?"

"What are those darts doing stuck in your neck like that?" Sam asked.

"Oh, those?  They're tranquilizer darts, I think.  Odd, I hadn't noticed...
them...before..."

ker-thunk!

(will our heroe, who is not [sic], revive before Tim catches up to him?  Will
he find the one-armed scrutinizer?  stay tuned, gentle reader...)

Gary W. Olson                 "Turn the tables with our unity,    -L7,
SWEDE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU   they're not a moral nor majority.  "Pretend
reality is what you            Wake up and smell the coffee,       We're
can get away with              or just say no to individualty."    Dead"
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:18:10 CDT
From:         fred <CCHILDER@UNMCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      let's look at the evidence

Andy, I don't understand your response to my post on hilary clinton.
I said that she was a well educated, intelligent woman. I DID NOT offer
her position on children's rights as evidence of her education or
intelligence yet your response would lead people to assume that was the
case. I don't know all of her credentials, I only know that she is very
successful in her field which tends to be composed of people with a high
level of achievement.

It is possible to be highly educated, intelligent and misguided. I don't
know if she is misguided until I see more information on her proposal.
What is your opinion as to how the legal system should treat children? Are
they citizens with all the rights provided for citizens or do they belong
to a sub class of potential citizens?

fred
"her love has no strings
shackels or chains
but I'm holding on for dear life
It's like rolling a 7
everytime I roll the dice" - Delbert Mcclinton
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:42:18 CDT
From:         fred <CCHILDER@UNMCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      just say no(w

I don't recall reading anywhere that the UN told the coalition forces to
halt prior to entering Baghdad. My impression was that george reached this
decision on his own much to the dismay of his military commanders. Can
someone cite a reference for the UN ordering the coalition forces to
cease hostilities? I believe that the decision was made by Bush to avoid
possible harm to diplomatic ties with arab nations and was made under the
mistaken assumption that the Iraqies would finish the job themselves and
remove Saddam from power.

I would like to hear more from the various tickets concerning their
stand on personal liberties and government interference in daily life.
Do you support lower prices for cd's and high resolution broadcasting?

Did anyone else see the cnn article on budweiser being fined for attempting
to do business with Libya? They wanted to ship beer to off-shore oil rigs
controlled by the Libyan government. I'm glad to see our government is
working on the important issues like preventing beer from falling into
the hands of hostile governments.
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Original_To:  BITNET%"POLITICS@OHSTVMA.BITNET"
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:33:00 EST
From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: p.s.: linda, this one's for us :)

[sic] leave

maybe because heroes is usually used to denote men, and we're both women?
maybe because in some parts of country heroes denotes a large sandwich?

i dunno, don't mind me....its raining and cold and the airconditioning in
my office is pumping like there's no tomorrow its the middle of july and i
have a heavy sweatshirt on and the lady upstairs in systems has long
underwear on....

hey, kerry, why are we [sic]??

-linda   (turning blue as we type)
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Delivery-Notice:  SMTP MAIL FROM does not correspond to sender.
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:11:26 EST
From:         MacPhil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: is Quayle pro-choice?
Comments: To: Forum for the Discussion of Politics <POLITICS@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu>

On Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:53:00 EDT push the button, frank! said:
>Travis asks Mac(Phil) the Knife to explain those slashes:
>
>From: Travis Kidd <TKIDD@CLEMSON.BITNET>
>>> authenticity to a story /p any basis in fact.
>>> Now, /c this in mind, what obligation does your local newspaper have
>>I'm sorry, I just gotta know--Why do you use /p for without and /c for
>>with???
>
>He does it because he loves being asked this question, repeatedly. :)

& it's a fine measure of those who never look @ their medical charts
(hospitals hate you doing that as you get to see all of the fun notes
 MDs write to each other)

------------------------------------------------------------------------
When ambidextrous people can't do it right, we do it left.

MacPhil / iqti400@indycms.bitnet / iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:31:00 EDT
From:         Travis Kidd <TKIDD@CLEMSON.BITNET>
Subject:      What the constitution REALLY means, etc.

If I have skipped any section of the Constitution, please notify me.
I am currently taking the text of the Constitution from a book entitled
_The Meaning of the Constitution_ by Angela Roddey Holder.  I have not
read it yet, but it seems interesting.  The call number as catalogued by
Clemson's library is KF4550.Z9H6 (1974).
************************************************************************
Article 1: Section 3:  The Senate of the United States shall be composed
                       of two Senators from each State, chosen by the
(Paragraph 1)          Legislature thereof, for six Years; and each
                       Senator shall have one Vote.
************************************************************************

This paragraph defines' the states' portion of the U.S. Congress.
Two senators were to be elected from each state by the state legis-
lature.  I would imagine, although I am not exactly sure, that the
governor (except in N. Carolina) would be able to veto a selection of
a senator.  Also, this paragraph sets a senators term of office to
six years.  Each senator shall have one vote, i.e. equal say regardless
of his state's population.


And Brett, I have confirmation that one need not reside in a congress-
ional district to represent that district.  The federal government,
if it felt like it, might have the power to pass a law against it, but
currently it has not.  Just think, how would incumbents who because of
redistricting now live outside of their district be able to continue
running??
-Travis
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Envelope-to: politics@ohstvma.BITNET
X-VMS-To: @POL, @VAL
X-VMS-Cc: CDELL
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:30:00 CST
From:         "VALENTINE M. SMITH" <CDELL@UMKCVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      A response to "Another Gulf War"
Comments: To: val-l@ucf1vm.BITNET, jwales@iubvm.BITNET, olsenj@stolaf.edu,
              shlyakhter@huhepl.harvard.edu, kousen@rayleigh.res.utc.com

Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:57:20 CST
From: Sean Mills <ST4226@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU>
Subject: Another Gulf War?

FROM: Sean Mills

> If Iraq doesn't back down to U.N. demands, will Bush take the country
> to war again? If he does, how will that affect his re-election
> efforts?

I think it could help him more than hurt, especially if the action
was primarily quick, and "specifically punative," ie the Agriculture
building in question was destroyed. If it is to happen, Bush should
push the Un for it to happen soon. Else he's trying to be re-elected
AND wage war. Lastly, I do not think such a "war" (more a police
action, as was the Six Weeks "War" that stimulated this question)
will be popular here at home, regardless of the rhetoric of Bush. VMS

(Last paragraph and sig deleted)
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Envelope-to: politics@ohstvma.BITNET
X-VMS-To: IN%"politics@ohstvma"
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:33:00 EST
From:         ZIMMERJ@WABASH.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Financing the gov't...

>From: K=A*T <MEC038@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

>If, according to you, they [the rich -- JRZ] are already paying "*more* than
> their
>fair share," then would you please tell us how much IS their fair
>share?

The rich would be paying their fair share when they are paying the same
proportion of their income in taxes as does everyone else.

One qualification I must make is that a progressive income tax can still result
in an overall flat tax burden, since there are several regressive taxes to
which people are subjected (such as gasoline taxes and sales taxes).  However,
the studies I've seen have indicated that the regressivity of these taxes does
not fully compensate for the progressivity of the federal income tax (and that
of many state taxes).

Of course, my ideal would be the abolition of all taxes except for flat income
taxes (on ALL income -- no loopholes).  Also, all income would have to be taxed
at the same rate (no special capital gains tax).  Although this isn't likely to
happen soon, it would be a hell of a lot simpler than our current system.

>--KAT

Jason
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:56:45 -0700
From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      AIDS funding

I can't find it now, but there was a posting comparing the funding for
research on various diseases with the lives and years "lost".

That's a silly comparison.  We pay for benefits.  While the upper
bound is the cost of those problems, it isn't necessarily true that we
can reach that bound with medical research.  (Even if you assume that
every medical problem has a medical treatment, medical problems can
have non-medical causes.)  If we know that an AIDS spending dollar
will buy more benefits than a cancer dollar, that has to be taken into
account.  (Note, however, that not all AIDS spending is the same.)

Triage provides a useful model for research spending as well as
treatment.  There are people who will die no matter what we do, people
who will live even if we ignore them, and people whose lives depend on
what we do.

-andy
--
UUCP:    {arpa gateways, sun, decwrl, uunet, rutgers}!cs.stanford.edu!andy
ARPA:    andy@cs.stanford.edu
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:15:53 CDT
From:         Steven Bridges <SBRIDGES@UNMCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Wichita

You know KAT, it seems that no one ever really agreed *WHEN* life really
began!  Only Robert, Missy Justice, Sean and others who leeeeeeeeean
more toward the Christian side agree that life starts at conception.

Oooooh, there's that religion again.

The point of the post being that Wichita has somewhat justified itself, after
last year, by showing the rest of the country that there is more than just
the pro-abortion side that has a voice in this country.  It would certainly
be interesting to see a word-for-word written documentation on the trial, to
see how they won.  Just curious.

God Bless, Paul W. Clark!   Oh, well, rats...there's that religion again.

"Democrats who feel strongly about the rights of the unborn children have only
two other choices, not to vote at all or to vote for the Republican candidate."
- Phil Joyce from the article "Democrats Shut Out Large Part of America".
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney)
Subject: Re: Is Quayle pro-choice?
Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:02:51 GMT

Hang on, hang on. Danny is pro-choice:

My position is that I understand from a medical situation, immediately
after a rape is reported, that a woman normally, in fact, can go to the 
hospital and have a D and C.  At that time...  that is before the forming 
of a life.  That is not anything to do with abortion
                -- Vice President Dan Quayle  explaining that Dilatation
                   and Curettage, a form of abortion which occurs 
                   after fertilization, is not really abortion.
                   (the Washington post, 11/03/88)
-- 
moorcockheathersiainbankshamandcornpizzapjorourkebluesbrothersspikeleepratchett
clive P a u l  M o l o n e y "Lines of light ranged in the nonspace of the  rem
james Trinity College,Dublin PMOLONEY%MATHS.TCD.IE@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU mind." vr
brownbladerunnerorsonscottcardprincewatchmenkatebushbatmanthekillingjoketolkien
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Delivery-Notice:  SMTP MAIL FROM does not correspond to sender.
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 22:06:29 EST
From:         MacPhil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Suggestion for another virtual ticket
Comments: To: politics <politics@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu>

Now that Jimbo is back, I think he should announce his candidacy and
form the Jimmy/Olson team.  Defense could be cut, so to Clinton's proposal
for thousands of add'l COPs (fair as an acronym since it originated
as <C>onstable <O>n <P>atrol, unlike the improper SCUD [sic] soon
to be in the news again) as they could easily call on Superman.

The Jimmy/Olson ticket would also have connections to the media.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
When ambidextrous people can't do it right, we do it left.

MacPhil / iqti400@indycms.bitnet / iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
From: jwales@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (jimmy donal wales)
Subject: Re: A few thoughts ...
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:27:32 GMT

>> Tell me not how to live my life, and I may feel a great deal more
>> tolerant of yoir narrow-minded, moralistic (to drudgery) beliefs. Not
>> realizing how irritated I was 'til I read Jimbo's post, VMS
Travis responds:
>You entered into a social contract, bud.

I didn't!  I never signed a thing!  Travis, son, I have never ever
given you ANY right to regulate me or my sex life in any way, and
I can assure you right now that I never will.

If you think that your religion gives you the right to send Men
with Guns to my house to see with whom I am sleeping, then you
are seriously in error.  In fact, I would have to say that you are
evil.

Evil!  Imagine that.

But I won't send Men with Guns to your house.

>-Travis


--Jimbo, the most moral man alive
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Envelope-to: POLITICS@OHSTVMA.BITNET
X-VMS-To: WVNET::IN%"POLITICS@OHSTVMA.BITNET"
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:17:55 -0400
From:         KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU
Subject:      Re: Clippings

Brett, keep those clippings coming!
>>      Graduate education also enhances earning power.  Five or
>> more years of college brings 16% more than an undergraduate
>> degree and twice as much as an H.S. degree.  Linke said that
>> although students "make a tremendous investment" in tuition and
>> earnings missed, college education is a sound investment.  Other
>> recent studies have yielded different results (7/17, See DRC
>> 7/14, #8).

Unless, of course, you turn those graduate degrees into a job in public
higher ed :)

Kerry
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Delivery-Notice:  SMTP MAIL FROM does not correspond to sender.
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 09:14:43 EST
From:         MacPhil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Entrepreneurship Chinese Style
Comments: To: Forum for the Discussion of Politics <POLITICS@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu>
              27 Jul 1992 09:37:31 -0400 from <KILBURN@WVSVAX.WV NET.EDU>

On Mon, 27 Jul 1992 09:37:31 -0400 <KILBURN@WVSVAX.WVNET.EDU> said:
>MacPhil, et al:
>>This is keeping in mind, of course, geography.  Different blood types
>>show dominance/recessiveness in different parts of the world.
>
>Not to be picky or anything :)  Blood types arise as a consequence of the
>co-dominance of the three alleles (A, B, O) involved.  No difference in the
>dominance/recessiveness relationship exists; what varies geographically is
>the distribution of blood types within the population.

But I already knew this.  I chose not to provide a biochemical lesson and
my statement has not lost any degree of fact in light of your information.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
When ambidextrous people can't do it right, we do it left.

MacPhil / iqti400@indycms.bitnet / iqti400@indycms.iupui.edu
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU