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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 11:47:48 EDT
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Subject:      Safe Sex #2
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Subject: Safe Sex #2


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    * How Safe Is "Safe Sex" Medically? - The John Ankerberg Show. *
    *                          Part 2                              *
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    John: Along with these startling facts, Dr. Day has describes another
government study that proves condoms do not protect people from getting
the deadly HIV virus.

    Day: I can tell you what the government really thinks about condoms.
About 2 years ago, UCLA was given 1 million dollars to do a study on the
prevention of AIDS from one gay man to another by the use of condoms
during sex. One courageous National Institute of Health researcher spoke
up and said "We're removing the million dollars from UCLA because our
pilot studies have shown that condoms are so ineffective we would give
too many gay men AIDS who don't already have it.

    Condoms break, they come off, and in fact all new condoms off of the
shelf have small microscopic holes in them that are large enough let the
virus come through. In fact, the same thing is true of latex gloves in
the operating room, that's why we wear 2 or 3. However, I don't hear the
government telling young people to use 2 or 3 condoms to protect
themselves even more. Also, when ozone gets to the condom, if the wrapper
has a little opening in it, it will destroy the effectiveness of the
condom even though the condom looks like it is totally intact, and the
AIDS virus can go through. So condoms are not safe.

    John: Now it's a fact that the HIV virus is 450 times smaller than
human sperm. Did you know that when researchers looked through an
electron microscope, condoms have holes in them, channels that are as
large as 5 microns. Did you know that the HIV virus is only .1 micron is
size, or 1/10th the size of the holes in condoms? Well, Dr. Day believes
these facts should tell you something about how safe condoms are.
Listen...

    Day: The AIDS virus is very tiny. It's .1 microns. The holes in our
surgical masks are 5 microns. The holes in a condom which you can't even
see are 5 microns. The holes in latex surgical gloves that you can't even
see are 5 microns. So the virus being .1 microns can easily go through
those holes. You can put many thousands, perhaps millions of AIDS virus
particles on the head of a pin.

    And yet the government will tell you, "Oh well there's not enough in
saliva or there's not enough in some other situation to infect you." Well
it's been estimated that there is enough AIDS virus in one pint of blood
that you may get from transfusion to infect *2 million* people. In fact,
the government cannot tell you how much or how little virus it takes to
infect an individual, and some of the experts will privately admit it may
take only 1 virus.

    John: But AIDS is not the only risk you face when you use condoms
outside of marriage. They don't protect you fully from sexually
transmitted diseases either. Dr. Stanley Monteith, who practices surgery
in California and is a senior delegate from Santa Cruz county to the CA
Medical Association, explains your risks:

    Monteith: What I tell young people today, about condoms, is this. If
you're going to be promiscuous us a condom, but understand, that when
you're playing with sex, you can get syphilis, or gonorrhea. You can get
lippercauthic vinerium, lippergrandinovium vinerium. You can get
shankroid. You can get clamiddia, and you can be sterile for life and
never be able to have children. You can get venereal warts and that will
translate into many instances into cervical cancer that will require a
hysterectomy. You can get herpes that will be with you for life. You can
get hepatitis-B. You can get Tricamonus infection. You can get Manilian
infection. You can get pregnant. There are going to be philological
problems because of promiscuity.

    And now you have HIV disease, and if you get HIV disease you can look
forward to never being able to marry, never being able to have children,
and a slow progressive painful, demented death. Now is it really worth
it?

    John: Now back to Robert Redfield, as Chief of Retro-Viral Research
at Walter Reed Army Institute. In the past he was considered as a
candidate to be Surgeon General of the United States. He's believed to be
one of the top medical scientists in the world today on AIDS. He was
recently featured on NBC in regards to the new HIV vaccine he has
developed. Well I asked him, if he were to someday lead our country as
Surgeon General of the United States, would he strongly speak out and say
it was bad medical advise to tell our young people to practice "Safe Sex"
by using a condom?

    Redfield: I was asked a very simple question, would I medically
recommend it? You know, I never thought of it that way. This was back in
1985, I hadn't really thought about it too much. And I finally said, "If
I had a patient who was HIV infected..." and I've asked many doctors,
"would I recommend that they sleep with someone who is not HIV infected
with or without a condom... Medically. I wouldn't do that. If I had a
patient who was not infected would I recommend that they sleep with
someone who was infected with or without a condom. I wouldn't recommend
that either."

    So now when I give talks, I asked doctors around the United States,
"How many think condoms are the centerpiece of out public health
message?" They *ALL* raise their hands. "How many of you medically
recommend to your patients who are infected have sex with someone not
infected with or with out a condom?" *Nobody* raises their hand, *ever*,
I've never seen a doctor recommend it, medically. "How many of you
recommend your patients who aren't infected have sex with someone who is
infected with or with out a condom?" Nobody raises their hands. "How many
think condoms are the centerpiece of out public health message?" They
all raise their hands.

    I say "Wait a minute guys, I'm very confused. You all told me you'd
*never* recommend it if one partner is infected and one isn't. Now the
way I see it, condoms have no role in stopping the AIDS virus if both
partners aren't infected. Condoms have no role if both partners are
infected. The only role they have in our medical message, if one
partner's infected and one partner isn't and you all told me you'd never
medically recommend that. So how is this the center piece of our medical
public health message?"

    And the truth is, it angers me. Condoms are not safe, they're
dangerous. Sex with a condom with an infected person is not protected.
It's very unprotected. It's very, very dangerous.

In His Love,

  Michael A. Kline, Sr. SSE
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