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From: xm9@sdcc12.ucsd.edu (richard g. adair)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: HP vs. Sun
Summary: The race continues...
Keywords: SUN HP
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:19:07 GMT
Organization: Arete Associates, San Diego

In article <1992Oct13.014059.19464@eng.ufl.edu> scot@eel.ufl.edu writes:
>should purchase the Sun 690 with SuperSparc upgrades
>when they arrive, or go with an HP9000/730. Basically
>what I want is performance info on both lines of 

Our HP 730 is just a little bit slower than a SparcStation II (!).
I know this shouldn't be so, but there it is!

>workstations and general information from people who
>are sysadms of networks with both(ie problems,complaints,etc).

It's hard to say what the new SUNos will be like, since it's all new
and much like HP-UX in that it's based on SYSV, not BSD.  In
general, a SUN and an HP are very happy together...

>Included in this purchase with be either 5 IPC's with 
>5 X-terminals(Does Sun make an X-terminal?) or 5 HP9000/710
>with 5 HP X terminals. We currently have 15 HP700/X terminals

SUN does NOT do X, at least as shipped from the factory.  They do a
combined server that incorporates X and NEWS.  SUN doesn't make X
servers because this combined server doesn't work remote.  If you
restrict yourself to using only the remote X subsection on the SUN,
an HP X terminal works great when serving from a SUN.

>and we find that the resolution/pixel dimensions are different
>from our HP9000/425's. Has HP corrected this in there new line
>of X-terminals. How is the new X-terminal software?

HP has a wide variety of X servers.  Why is resolution important to
you?  X is independant of the screen size.  Anyway, as far as I can
tell, all HP screens are now a uniform 1280x1024 pixels, across the
board.

The X server software from HP is bullet proof.  In fact, users of
our SUNs prefer the X terminal to the SUN console because when
OPENLOOK locks up (it does this a lot, try to move a window while
other windows are still popping up) you can just reboot the X
terminal, but to restart the console you have to reboot the
machine...

Tony Burzio
Arete Associates
San Diego, CA

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: anh@media.mit.edu (Viet Anh)
Subject: printing from HP LaserROM/UX 
Followup-To: anh@media.mit.edu (Viet Anh)
Keywords: printing, cdrom, lrom
Reply-To: anh@media.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:50:37 GMT

	lrom: HP LaserROM/UX B.00.00
	machines: HP9000s{300,700,800}
	OS: mostly HP-UX 8.05

Is there a way to specify which print command you want to use from
within lrom?

I'm trying to print out hardcopies from within lrom by calling up a
different printing spooler (we have PLP installed uniformly for all of
our machine platforms) than the HP-UX lp.  However, lrom appears to be
hardcoded with using lp and does not recognize any other printing
agents.  I've read all the documents (I think! :-) about lrom but
could not find any lead.

Any hints, comments appreciated...

Much thanks!

Viet Anh
anh@media.mit.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: wonga@steam.chem.su.oz.au (Adrian Wong)
Subject: Passing C flags from f77/fort77
Organization: Dept. of Theoretical Chemistry, University of Sydney
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:51:46 GMT

Maybe I'm missing something, but how do you pass C compiler options
using fort77. Shouldn't there be some -W type option? e.g.

	fort77 -c -Wc,-Aa,-DDEBUG,-D_HPUX_SOURCE foo.c

Or do I resort to setting the environment variable.


Alternatively, I want to use some eispack routine in a C programme.
I can only link it when I use fort77 as the linker rather
than cc or ld. However, I'm still getting a Bus error, which I presume
has something to do with the main C programme being compiled with
cc. Therefore, I've been trying to use fort77 to compile my C
code. Is there another way?

Thanks
Adrian.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: rdg@fc.hp.com (Rob Gardner - Pro Hacker)
Subject: Re: EISA device drivers on 730
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:30:12 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL6]

Rick Richardson (rick@digibd.com) wrote:

> Never used one of these puppies before, and I don't know where
> to go to get the specifics how to port device drivers onto the
> HP EISA bus.  Is there any ftp'able info available?  What docs
> should I ask for if I have to establish a contact at HP?

Order the HPUX Driver Development Guide, p/n 98577-90013 for a start.

Judging by your signature, I am making a guess that you want to write
a driver for a serial device. If this is the case, you should know
ahead of time that you will find it most difficult to connect your
interface up with the hpux termio line discipline without factory
assistance. 


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Fort Collins, Colorado
From: harrison@cse.unl.edu (Gregory Harrison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Building 'generic' software on HP9K700
Date: 14 Oct 1992 01:43:50 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu
Keywords: gcc

I have been trying, unsuccessfully to build various software packages 
retrieved from netland on an HP9000 series 700 workstation at work.  
Most recently, I imported and attempted to build gcc-1.42 and gcc-2.2.2
I was not able to get past the first couple of steps in the install
notes.  Any suggestions?

Also, I went looking for dbx, and was not able to find it.  Is dbx
something that is not available for the hp?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
-greg-
harrison@cse.unl.edu

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Dept of Computer Science			email:  harrison@cse.unl.edu
University of Nebraska - Lincoln	Phone:  402/435-0846
From: xm9@sdcc12.ucsd.edu (richard g. adair)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Creating an Update tape
Summary: Tapes and distribution
Keywords: Tapes
Date: 10 Oct 92 05:00:15 GMT
Organization: Arete Associates, San Diego

In article <1992Oct08.174448.5569@Schultz.ON.CA> peter@Schultz.ON.CA (Peter Roeser) writes:
>   We would like to distribute this package in update tapes.
>   Does anyone know of a script/tools to help put together
>   a DDS DAT tape in this format?

Try not to limit your software to DAT tapes.  Not all of us have
this "only on an HP" type of drive.  How about standard tar format to
make the tapes?  This way, if my local HP doesn't have a drive, I
can use an 8mm (which everyone else has :-) accessed off a remote
system...

Tony Burzio
Arete Associates
San Diego, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us (Michael Borowiec)
Subject: HP/UX Performance Monitoring?
Organization: HAM Radio Station N9EUZ, Naperville, IL
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:06:14 GMT

A friend of mine new to UNIX is running an HP9000-827S under HP/UX
8.02 with 32MB memory. Apparently they are having performance
problems even tho there are only a few developers on the machine.
Can anyone recommend any performace monitoring tools? Specifically,
we're looking for something like "top" for Suns or "u386mon" for
386 based UNIX. Also performace data gathering tools more robust
than sadc/sar. Any pointer would be greatly appreciated.
- Mike

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: gill@eagle (Warren Gill)
Subject: Re: Seeking mail filter
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Organization: Sangamon State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:56:20 GMT

  Your .forward file can be a type of mail filter.  You can pipe your mail
to a script, which can redirect, forward, or just throw away unwanted mail.
The .forward could look like this:      |/usr/adm/forward_scr
Then, the script file /usr/adm/forward_scr can grep for the From: field to
handle incoming messages based on the sender.
  This seems like the simplest answer to me.

--wg
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: mark@msi.com (Mark Benzel)
Subject: too much defining
Followup-To: mark@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Distribution: comp.sys.hp
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:33:08 GMT

I think this has been asked before but I don't recall the answer.  The problem
is that when I attempt to compile compose.c in xrn-6.17 I get the following
messages:

./news.h: 138: too much defining
./news.h: 139: too much defining
./news.h: 140: too much defining
./news.h: 141: too much defining
./news.h: 143: too much defining
./news.h: 151: too much defining
./news.h: 157: too much defining
./news.h: 163: too much defining
./news.h: 170: too much defining
./news.h: 171: too much defining
./news.h: 173: too much defining
./news.h: 175: too much defining
./news.h: 176: too much defining
./news.h: 177: too much defining
./news.h: 179: too much defining
./news.h: 180: too much defining
./news.h: 182: too much defining
./news.h: 183: too much defining
./news.h: 184: too much defining
./news.h: 186: too much defining
./news.h: 188: too much defining
./news.h: 194: too much defining
./news.h: 195: too much defining
./news.h: 196: too much defining
./news.h: 203: too much defining
./news.h: 206: too much defining
./news.h: 209: too much defining
compose.c: 89: no space
*** Error code 1

Does anyone know how to get around this error?
Thanks for your help.

Mark
mark@msi.com
From: steve-t@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Steve Taylor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: hpterm survey
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:31:56 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In comp.sys.hp, shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni) writes:
| In the first case, they couldn't even translate some of the functionality
| into xterm sequences (xdb depends on terminal "memory locking" to allow
| the bottom half to scroll the program output without xdb capturing it and
| scrolling the window itself).

Actually, a scrolling region is a fairly straight-forward substitute for
memory lock.  With the obligatory gotcha, to keep life interesting, but
no serious problems.  Then there's hpterm's unique inverse video semantics.
And the <home-down> sequence, which many terminals don't have.  Etc.

						Regards, Steve taylor

NOT A STATEMENT, OFFICIAL OR OTHERWISE, OF THE HEWLETT-PACKARD COMPANY.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: joser@gfimda.uucp (Joe Rodriguez)
Subject: Re: Remote printer 
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:28:03 GMT
Organization: Kraft General Foods


Tom,

   Please ignore my previous posting.  I was half asleep when reading it.
   The ethernet board you  have in your  HP Laser III  should have
   come with software to load on your HP.  The installation would 
   automatically setup your model for printing and setting up the appropriate
   files on the HP.  This was the case with our HP network board for our
   HP Laser IIISi.    The remote printer option in SAM  
   works when setting up a remote printer, when the remote printer is 
   attached to a remote system.  I am not sure if SAM would setup a 
   printer  directly on the network.  Hope this is helpful.


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From: paul@eye.com (Paul B. Booth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: HP 9000/7xx NamePlates
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 13:11:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: 3D/EYE, Inc.  Ithaca, NY

In article <1992Oct06.223036.4523@news.mentorg.com> stevej@hpc.mentorg.com (Steve Jumonville) writes:
>
>The best/only way to really tell is to ask the system what it is:
>
>                               "uname -m"
> 
Not true anymore.  Don't you _love_ progress?  From the 9.0 release notes:

    -------------------------------------------------------
    Identifying Your Model of Series 700 Computer: model(1)
    -------------------------------------------------------

    It is no longer possible to completely distinguish models of Series
    700 computers via the "uname(1)" command.  Also, "uname" cannot
    distinguish clock speeds for the various models.

    A new command, "model(1)", ships with HP-UX to address this problem.
    The "model" command behaves like "uname -m" except the output
    can contain information that relates to processor speed and other
    distinguishing characteristics.  For more information, see the "model(1)"
    entry for the HP-UX Reference document.  For this release, the printed
    entry is in the "Documentation" topic of these release notes.


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From: tage@cs.utwente.nl (Tage Stabell-kuloe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: How to load code at run time - without shared libs ?
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:30:58 GMT
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science


    How do I load code from a .o file into a malloc'ed buffer and run it ?
    
    No, I can't use shared libs.

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From: ash@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Art Harkin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: routed for HP running HP-UX 8.05
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:38:37 GMT
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA

/ hpindda:comp.sys.hp / steve@cs.hw.ac.uk (Steven Salvini) /  7:53 am  Oct 13, 1992 /


> Can anyone suggest a 'routed' that will run on a Series 700 on which
> 'uname -a' gives  ->
> 
>      HP-UX xerxes A.B8.05  9000/720 46954172
> 
> 
> Please reply by email and I will summarise.

  gated is standard on HP-UX since 7.0, and its basically a superset
of routed.

  -Art Harkin

Hewlett-Packard Company			E-mail:  ash@cup.hp.com
Information Networks Division
19420 Homestead Road MS 43LN, Cupertino, CA  95014
From: bill@citr.uq.oz.au (Bill Segall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: How can we get rid of HP VUE.
Keywords: HP VUE, vuewm, mwm
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:34:41 GMT
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland

In <1992Oct7.195621.9651@mcs.kent.edu> chen@humboldt.kent.edu (Chen) writes:

>I am just still hoping that there is a way for a user to choose whether he
>wants VUE or not. If he doesn't want VUE, he can just bypass VUE and if he
>doesn't care, he can still run vuewm as the first choice. (hopefully w/o
> touching any system file, is it possible? )

>Any recommendation?  Thanks. 

Yes and No. You can do it but you do have to mod a system file.
What we did was to edit /usr/lib/X11/vue/Vuelogin/Xsession and add the
following lines:

#### a hack put in by bill to disable Vuewm
if [ -f $HOME/.novue ]
then
	if [ -f $HOME/.xsession ]
	then
		exec sh $HOME/.xsession
	else
		exec xterm -C
	fi
fi
#### end hack

Then if a user wants to run without VUE they create a file in $HOME called
.novue and they`re .xsession is execed.

Are all of your users male or you making assumptions there :-)

Bill.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: sieler@allegro.com (Stan Sieler)
Subject: Re: HP 9000/7xx NamePlates
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 01:46:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Allegro Consultants, Inc., Redwood City, CA

>|>    Does anyone know why the 710, 720, 730, and 750 don't have
>|>    product numbers on their fronts?
>
>Because HP has always prided itself on protecting their customer's investments.
>In the old days, the early Motorola 68000 based HP systems could be CPU board upgraded to 68010, then 68020, 68030, ...
>
I'd still rather have a nameplate on the front, today, and risk it being
incorrect after a hypothetical upgrade).  Besides, even with upgrades, knowing
what it *used* to be can be useful (e.g.: an Original LaserJet, when upgraded
to a LaserJet+, was not quite the same as a real LaserJet+ (from experience!))

stan sieler
sieler@allegro.com
From: bcripe@hpcvusd (Brian E. Cripe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Minor VUE Improvements
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:53:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvusn.1992Oct16.195313.28450
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

> One of the minor differences was the inclusion of
> VUEPAD, which for me makes HPUX alot more useable since I am coming from
> VAX/VMS and my fingers don't know VIle or EMACS. 
> 
> I am also pleased to see /usr/explore/Customation.

Glad you like it.

> I hope that when I finally get HPUX9.0 I will find other improvements. Does
> anyone know when I will receive the upgrade CD?? 

VUE 3.0 on HP-UX 9.0 has significant enhancements over VUE 2.0 (e.g.
color icons, slide-up subpanels in the front panel, help system with
hypertext/graphics/multifonts).  I don't know when it will get to real
customers, but it is now out of our (the developer's) hands.

> One improvement that I'd like to see to VUE is insertion of the filename
> selected in File_Manager being pastable into an HPterm.

This is a good idea.  I will enter it in our bug/enhancement tracking
database so that it doesn't get lost.

> As it turned out another group at DREP received a SGI Crimson the same day that
> my HP730 arrived. With both machines up and running for the first time the
> first thing to do is try out the demos. This resulted in what I'd describe as a
> DEMO BATTLE. My HP LOST!!!!

I passed your comments on to the group who does whizzy stuff like
Explore.  

	Brian Cripe
From: stuart@TIVOLI.COM (Stuart Jarriel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Memory  and disk upgrade for  HP710
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:19:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tivoli Systems, Inc

In article <1992Oct7.180055.540@menudo.uh.edu>, rao@tree.egr.uh.edu (Jagannatha  Rao) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> I need some information on upgrading my HP 710. It has 16M in factory default  
|> memory. Reading the owner's manual, I gather that I cannot add another 16M  
|> toget 32 M; instead my next upgrade step is to add 32M to get a total of 48 M.  
|> Unless ofcourse I trade in my current 16M chips. Correct? 
|> 
  
  The 710 takes memory in 'quads' (four boards at a time), and the boards 
  come in 4Mb and 8Mb densities, so that each quad can be 16Mb or 32Mb.
  There are 8 memory slots, so 16, 32, 48 and 64 Mb are all valid combinations.

|> Also, I am looking to add a big hard disk (about 1 Gig).  Will any plain SCSI  
|> disk do or will I be better off to buy from a vendor who sells "HP-specific"  
|> disks? (i.e., with proper formatting etc.?) I am not very knowledgeable about  
|> this, so please send all pointers you can.  Vendors to buy disks from?
|> 
  
  The only constraint about non-hp discs is that fact that /etc/disktab doesnt
describe very many non-hp discs.  But they all seem to work just fine.  In fact,
disc suppliers like Box Hill, Dallas Digital, etc.. all sell HP discs that either
are supported or might be in the 9.0 release.  Get a copy of OpenSystemsToday or
some other UNIX trade magazine and check for the disc suppliers.  Be sure to get
the right cables as there are 3 different SCSI connectors out there.  2 are industry
standard and one is Sun specific.

stuart
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: aevans@nmt.edu (Alex Evans)
Subject: hp86
Followup-To: aevans@titan.nmt.edu
Summary: Can I connect these drives
Keywords: hp86 ieee-488 hp-ib
Organization: New Mexico Tech
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:38:52 GMT

  How would I connect an HP86 to an HP dual 3-1/2" disk drive that has an
hp-ib (ieee-488) interface?


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MOL College of St. Golias     | Free computer, where, when, how
Collector of dusty silicon    | "That probably won't run on anything I have."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: eilts@late59.e-technik-uni-erlangen.de (Hinrich Eilts)
Subject: nn for HPUX 8.07 wanted
Organization: Lehrst. f. Allg. u. Theo. E-Technik, Uni Erlangen-Nuernberg,
	Germany
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:58:15 GMT

I'm searching for an adaption of the nn newsreader for HP900-700 with
HP-UX 8.07. I will be gratefull.
	Hinrich
Warning: My e-mail address is eilts@late.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de
         (without the 59)
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From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Exabyte support on HP700s
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:21:46 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1992Oct7.204214.26234@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson)) writes:

| In article <1992Oct7.190140.12159@u.washington.edu> seymour@stein.u.washington.edu (Richard Seymour) writes:
| >(at the end of reading a tar file, the HP sends a "write zero filemarks" to
| > the Exabyte to "flush its buffers".
| 
| It also does this when writing, which causes our Fujitsu 9-track SCSI
| tape drive to barf - issuing such commands to the device driver to get it
| to clean up is fine, but sending them to the physical device is ridiculous.

This has been part of the SCSI spec for some time.  The bug is in 
Fujitsu's implementation, not on HP's side.  SGI also does WFM with
a count of 0 at some points to flush the drives' tape buffer to
the media.

The Exabyte bug must have long since been fixed, since I've seen
no problem in years with it (but an HP engineer confirmed that they
had seen the problem with some firmware revs on the Exabyte).

Exabyte *still* has an even worse bug.  If the tape is at EOD after
writing, with now BSF or rew done, and you get a SCSI bus reset or
power cycle it, it never writes the EOD marker, and worse yet, can
keep you from reading some of the data just before EOD.
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because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
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