HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: donaghey@husc8.harvard.edu (Thomas Donaghey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish Prime minister says Sweden gaining democratic freedom
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:43:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr10.154337.10929
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr9.065822.5004@eua.ericsson.se> euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik.Ostman) writes:
>Eric Thomas writes:
>
>>Count the Swedes who can't spell Swedish. Do the same for Americans. Compare.
>
>This is so silly, always comparing with America. Why not compare with some
>other part of the world? Because there are *so* many Americans on the net?
>By the way, I learnt/didn't learn to spell in school, not at the university.
>I think the same goes for America, and these schools are free of charge even 
>there? On the other hand some of the best universities in the world are 
>American.
>--

I suppose some of the blame for poor grammar and spelling on the Net rests at
the primary-school level. (I haven't had a spelling test in ten years, for
example.) But I have noticed that at my own college, spelling and grammar are
emphasized in departments for whom such things are important, and ignored 
everywhere else. Folklore-and-Mythology scholars are required to know how to
spell, or, failing that, to take advantage of a spell-checker on papers.

If it is fair to state that the bulk of those familiar enough with mainframes
to use rn regularly are in or from fields in which problem sets and program-
writings are more prevalent than papers, and if Harvard is representative of
the rest of the nation (and it might be), then we have an explanation for our
bad English, at least of a sort.

Besides, where's the spellchecker in rn?

In addition, of course, spelling in English is by no means easy; there are
at least as many exceptions to each rule as there are rules themselves, and
since words come into English from every conceiveable language, spelling de-
pends on individual memorization as much as anything else. (Try comparing
it to, say, oh, I don't know, Esperanto sometime.)


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|donaghey@husc9.harvard.edu|  back country and live in a wigwam."              
+--------------------------+                        -General George Washington
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Fighting Racism?
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:14:33 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Apr7.154412.21295@athena.mit.edu> raustein@athena.mit.edu (Yngve Koehler Raustein) writes:
>Your example is pretty grotesque, though.  When the immigrant children are
>admitted to Sweden, the National Anthem is also their anthem.  The principal
>probably has some kind of guilt complex...  (I must admit that I don't know 
>the words to the Swedish National Anthem beyond "Du gamla, du fria, 
>du fj{llh|ga nord..." -- does it contain any reference to the "Aryan race" or 
>anything else that might justify the Principal's reaction?)

  No, it don't even mention the name "Sweden" using instead "Norden" in the
spirit of the Nordism that was popular when it was written.

>Yngve

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 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
From: lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish Prime minister says Sweden gaining democratic freedom
Date: 7 Apr 92 07:04:11 GMT
Reply-To: lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson)
Organization: SICS, Kista (Stockholm), Sweden
Originator: lhe@yang.sics.se

In article <1992Apr6.160749.24709@kth.se>, matsd@LINK (matsd@physchem.kth.se (mats dahlgren)) writes:
>>Not to mention that there is now moms on the *electricity TAX*. Yes that's
>>right, you have to pay tax for the tax you pay! Welcome to Sweden!
>>
>The same goes for the tax on gasoline, alcohol, casette tapes, perfumes, 
>tobacco and other specialized taxes.  Isn't it wonderful to pay tax on 
>taxes?                                                       :-)

There are two things (at least) to keep in mind here:

The VAT (moms) is a tax aimed at consumers. Companies are not affected
by this tax at all (well, it does affect their cash flow and
bookkeeping). This is quite intentional. On the other hand the special
taxes, such as the energy tax *is* intended to affect companies as
well as individuals.

If would be well nigh technically impossible to avoid the VAT on
energy tax. Sure, when you or I, as individuals, buy gas at the gas
station, it would be no difficult matter to do it. BUT, consider your
local taxi company. They buy lots of gas - paying energy tax - which
*you* pay for when you take a taxi. Now, you pay VAT on taxi trips.
How would you make an arrangement such that you would not have to pay
VAT on that part of the fare that corresponds to the energy tax on the
gasoline the taxi driver bought? Can you provide a *working* solution
to this?

Perhaps the most important point is this: I sense an undertone in your
posting that it is unfair to pay VAT on energy tax. Let me assure you
that if a way was found to avoid this, the goverment would increase
the energy tax and/or VAT to recover the lost amount.
-- 
-- 
Lars-Henrik Eriksson				Internet: lhe@sics.se
Swedish Institute of Computer Science		Phone (intn'l): +46 8 752 15 09
Box 1263					Telefon (nat'l): 08 - 752 15 09
S-164 28  KISTA, SWEDEN
From: fslsh@ocs01.lerc.nasa.gov (Lennart S Hultgren)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Iranian embassy torched
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:47:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: eagle.1992Apr8.184711.3402
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center

In article <1992Apr7.131915.1769@bnr.ca> Tim Dudley writes:
>In article <10823@chalmers.se> d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
>writes:
>>
>>  Yesterday a large number (70+) of demonstrators broke through the fence 
>>of the Iranian embassy in Stockholm, evaded the two unarmed security-
>>company guards and torched six cars, the embassy and a outbuilding. Four
>>persons were hurt.
>>  Twentyfour persons have been arrested under suspicion of arson, vandalism 
>>and violent riot.
>>
>>  The mujahedin have claimed responsibility for the attack and said that
>>is was a retaliation for an Iranian attack against mujahedin camps in Iraq.
>>
>>-bertil-
>>--
>
>Same thing (roughly) happened in Ottawa yesterday, about 40-50 of them;
>didn't torch the place, but "stormed" it and managed to cause the 
>ambassador some minor injuries.  The cops arrested something like 24
>people, but released all but 4 (!) - now the Loyal Opposition (i.e. everybody
>who isn't in power) is claiming that the embassy should have been warned
>by the Canadian secret service.  Gotta blame somebody...
>
>Tim
>

I think they should have.  If it comes out that they knew about the
potential for violence (peaceful demonstrations outside of the mission
grounds of course are OK!) and did not do *anything*, it will just
further the feelings about the West's double standards that are quite
prevalent in the Middle East and make life more dangerous for Western
diplomats and other Westerners (private citizens) in that area of the
world.

(Feel free to substitute US for West, Western, etc., as appropriate in
the remark above if you object to your country [anycountry] being
grouped into the catch-all phrase the West since the US usually gets
the blame anyway, deservedly or not.)

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From: sundinKC@dna.lth.se (Anders Sundin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish Prime minister says Sweden gaining democratic freedom
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:20:28 GMT
Organization: Organic Chemistry 2, Lund University, Sweden

Fredrik \stman writes:
> This is *no myth*! Planned economy is *inherently* *inefficient*.

No planned economy, is this a new policy at Ericsson? ;-)

Sorry but I couldn't resist. :-)
-- 
 Anders Sundin           e-mail: sundinKC@dna.lth.se
 Organic Chemistry 2             Anders.Sundin@orgk2.lth.se
 University of Lund              ok2aps@seldc52.bitnet
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 S-22100 Lund, Sweden    fax:    +46 46 108209
From: pabo@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Eric Pabo)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:55:54 GMT
Subject: Looking for "Sweden Now" Magazine
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic

I am posting this note for my mother, who is of Swedish descent and is a 
Swedophile.  She has two questions and they are:

1.  Is the english language magazine "Sweden Now" still being published and, 
if so, how does one get a subscription?  She had a subscription to this
magazine in the late 60s and early 70s and would like to get it again.

2.  She has a copy of book "Swedish for Beginners" by Nils-Gustav Hildeman
and Ann-Mari Beite which was published by Almqvist and Wiksell of Stockholm.
She had a set of the accompanying records which destroyed in the flooding of
a basement.  She would like to obtain replacement records or cassette tapes.
Does anyone know if they are still available, and, if so, where?  If they
are not currently available, does anyone have a set they would sell or be
willing to copy for a reasonable fee?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Regards,

Eric F Pabo
pabo@hpsmpa.lvld.hp.com
303-679-3947
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: raindrop@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nathaniel Michael Pearson)
Subject: Dutch and Finnish Pastilles
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 03:18:14 GMT

Carol Zarbock (czarbock@unlinfo.unl.edu) wanted the names of some pretty vile
Scandinavian liquorice pastilles.  In Finland, at least, there's Leijona 
pastilleja, cousin of Suomi minttupastilleja, I think, which tastes a bit 
like salty tar and smells like a bandaid.  Pretty yucky.  I also remember
a very bitter candy there (en tieda mika oli nimi) which tasted like 
mustard (sinappi) of all things.  Which reminds me of what in Finland is
known as "hampurilainen" (hamburger):  a tough slab of what is hopefully 
pork product in a pocket of cheap bread smothered with lots of mustard...I 
preferred Carroll's burgers!  

Not all my Finnish dining experiences were so..."interesting."  I did try
lots of really neat new things, like lakka (cloud berries), poron karistys 
(good old Rudolph), hyvaa jaateloa (great ice cream), Fazer suklaa (chocolate),
tonnikala (tuna fish) pizza (this one was interesting), etc.  My summer
in Finland was really one of the nicest summers I've ever spent!...
		
				Nat Pearson
				leland.stanford.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics
From: Espen.H.Koht@dartmouth.edu (Espen H. Koht)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: question for Macintosh users in Sweden
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:25:42 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <Apr.11.21.42.28.1992.21231@central.rutgers.edu>
friedan@central.rutgers.edu (Daniel Friedan) writes:
> 
> I am planning to buy the U.S. versions of
>     a Macintosh Classic II (4/80) and
>     a U.S. model Stylewriter.

> I will try to buy an A4 paper tray for the Stylewriter, a copy of the
> Swedish version of System 7, Swedish Truetype fonts and Swedish keycap
> labels but I am not very optimistic of being able to order them here.
>
  The Stylewriter has a multi-purpose paper-tray that accepts A4 as
well as legal and letter sized paper (or narrower).  You shouldn't have
to pay for a Swedish system 7.0 unless you want the manuals.  The
system itself is available for anonymous FTP from Apple.  The standard
TrueType Fonts are international fonts just like the PostScript ones. 
They contain all the Scaninavian special characters.  
   As to keycap labels that might be a problem.  The Apple extended
keyboard will map to a Swedish keyboard with a localized system (it
doesn't actually have to be Swedish troughout), so in the end you could
write on the keys with a permanent ink pen or create your own labels
some other way.

> I will buy a 220/110 power adapter and a U.S. line splitter to get power
> to the computer and the printer.

   You will be fine with a simple Savonius-type grounded power supply
as long as it matches the power rating of the Classic II(I don't
remember what it is of the top of my head).  Don't worry about the Hz,
the power supply can handle the different rates quite comfortably (The
universal power supplies on the other macs are quite amazing actually,
some magazine claimed that you could operate a Mac risk free on 85V!). 
Anyway you should be able to pick up what you need at your local Radio
Shack.  Just as an addendum they might tell you at the store that you
should not use it for a computer.  Ignore it.  That advice is good for
the DOS world, but the Macs are going to be ok.
   Second, and important, point:  Instead of buying a converter for the
computer and printer, buy one for the computer only.  The Stylewriter
comes with a DC adaptor.  In other words you can figure out what the
Stylewriter requires in terms of DC voltage (I think it is 10V DC) and
buy one that matches that in Sweden.

Espen
From: lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish Prime minister says Sweden gaining democratic freedom
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:21:16 GMT
Reply-To: lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson)
Organization: SICS, Kista (Stockholm), Sweden

In article <1992Apr13.075446.19694@eua.ericsson.se>, euafri@eua (Fredrik.Ostman) writes:
>Anyway, the average Stockholmer pays 1600 crowns for the roads and sends
>4000 crowns away to Norrland so they can afford to drive 200 km and sit
>and fish on their sick-day vacancies.

Speak for yourself.
-- 
Lars-Henrik Eriksson				Internet: lhe@sics.se
Swedish Institute of Computer Science		Phone (intn'l): +46 8 752 15 09
Box 1263					Telefon (nat'l): 08 - 752 15 09
S-164 28  KISTA, SWEDEN
From: donaghey@husc8.harvard.edu (Thomas Donaghey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: I desperately need lower taxes.
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:41:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr14.164131.11083
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr14.091533.15727@eua.ericsson.se> euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik.Ostman) writes:

>Yes, but they don't have to do it via taxes and the state. Have you ever
>heard of insurances? It actually works when my 2-million house burns down.
>We don't have any taxes for that, do we?
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You don't?

Please explain to me how you can buy insurance for free. We here in the US
are still stuck with having to pay premiums on our insurance, which is
equivalent, moneywise, to a tax. Have you found a way to avoid this and _not_
drive the insurers of your house into bankruptcy when your house burns down?

TANSTAAFL, friends.

-- 
+--------------------------+  "Oh, how I wish I had never seen the Continental 
|    Thomas C. Donaghey    |  Army.  I would have done better to retire to the 
|donaghey@husc9.harvard.edu|  back country and live in a wigwam."              
+--------------------------+                        -General George Washington
From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: You have to be rich to get the Authorities to listen.
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:29:57 GMT
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm

In article <1992Apr7.113118.5941@ifi.uio.no>, runeba@ifi.uio.no (Rune Bakken) writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr6.152756.20073@athena.mit.edu>, raustein@athena.mit.edu (Yngve Koehler Raustein) writes:
>> In article <10816@chalmers.se>, d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:
>> 
>> |>   About half a year ago they started something called the 071-numbers which 
>> |> are commercial services available from third parties on certain numbers with
>> |> a 071 prefix. The type of services seems to be mostly games and heavy 
>> |> breathing judging from the ads in the papers and calling the numbers will
>> |> cost you several SKr per minute. The profit is split between Televerket and 
>> |> the third party.
>> |> 
>> |>   I'm pretty sure that there is something similar in the US.
>> 
>> Yes, the 900-numbers.  (Have they introduced anything similar to the
>> toll free 800-numbers in Scandinavia?)
>> 
>> Yngve
>
>It depends how you define "Scandinavia"
>In Norway we have 050- numbers which is as close as one can get a toll-free
>number (800) in Norway, You pay only local-call fee  ca. US$ .15 for a call period.
>(3 min. daytime 8-17 mon-fri else 9 min.)
>I am not sure of the other countries though ...

In Sweden it's "area code" 020. You pay one call period, approx. SEK 
0.30 (5 cent), for the call.

Tomas
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Tomas Eriksson                                          tomas_e@physchem.kth.se
            Surface Force Group, Department of Physical Chemistry,
               Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
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From: abraham@iesd.auc.dk (Per Abrahamsen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics
Subject: Re: Pros and Cons of EU (was Re: Increasing EU opposition in Denmark)
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:18:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: loke.ABRAHAM.92Apr7181827
	<1992Apr3.204709.4897@nntp.hut.fi> <gph+4P@engin.umich.edu>
	<1992Apr5.131604.8251@nntp.hut.fi>
Organization: HUGIN Expert A/S


>>>>> On 5 Apr 92 13:16:04 GMT, jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) said:

In article <gph+4P@engin.umich.edu>, muller@convection (Jens Dominik
Muller) writes: 

>> - .., health care ... will inevitably be worsened
>....
>> - public library system would probably be worsened
>....
>> - women's position (I'm told it's one of the best of the world in
>>   Finland) would weaken
>....
>> //Jyrki
>
>Could you elaborate on these points a little more? I really can't
>see how the points above would be affected by joining the EC? Jens.

Jyrki> I have the impression that these are better in Finland than in EU / EC
Jyrki> countries, and these cost money, so to maintain competitiveveness in
Jyrki> EU Finland would have very big pressures to lower the standards on
Jyrki> these things to match the rest of EU (otherwise taxes are higher than
Jyrki> in other countries).

- Keeping the work force in good health does not make a nation less
  competitive. 
- Keeping the work force informed and well educated does not make a
  nation less competitive.
- Removing arbitrary restrictions on who can do what jobs does not make
  a nation less competitive.

Why do everybody in Finland and Sweden suddenly believe that low wages
and low taxes are the only way to compete?  

Anyway, the arguments are all about the ESS, not the EU.
From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik.Ostman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish Prime minister says Sweden gaining democratic freedom
Date: 8 Apr 92 08:09:08 GMT
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden

Bertil Jonell writes:
>Thomas Donaghey writes:

>>education, which in Sweden comes free,
>            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the actual education (lectures) are free,
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You know what old Milton and others always say, There Is No Such Thing
As A Free Education. Of course swedish education costs. Paying it over
the tax bill instead of directly to the school only makes the economy
of it less efficient. You can easily get an education that doesn't pay
off. You can easily get an education that you don't even use. Maybe you
can't get that special type of education that would pay off greatly, because
the beaureucrats didn't realise the need for it. It's very difficult for
you to control the quality of the education -- when the government pays,
only quantity, measured by statistics, counts.

>Add to this normal living expenses, which is high over here,

Of course we have high food prices when we give farmers 20 crowns for
each 30-crown bottle of imported oil we buy. What did the farmers do to get
this money? They formed a lobby organisation!

>the forced membership in the Students union which you have
>to be a member in to be allowed to take the tests.

Isn't it amazing how new taxes keep popping up in this dicussion! And this one
isn't even payed to the state or municipality, but to a randomly chosen
"students' organisation". They use the money for two purposes: To demand
new taxes and subsidaries, and to party!
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: sl55050@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SauWai )
Subject: Just A Survey For International Students, Like to Check It Out??
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 00:33:09 GMT


Hi,
	I'm doing a research about international students and their life in 
US.  I would appreciate it very much if you can take a few minutes and answer
the following questions as truthfull as you can.  Thank you very much.

PLEASE ONLY REPLY IF YOU ARE INTERNATIONAL STUDENT. THANKS.


1. Did you have any problems with communication?(language barrier) (Y or N)
2. Did you have difficulties meeting friends? (Y or N)
3. Did you encounter any major financial problems? (Y or N)
4. Did you experience any academic problems due to the new learning environment?(Y or N)
5. Have you heard of the counseling service for international students on you
   campus? (Y or N)

   Suppose you have heard about it and decided to go to seek counseling help:

6. Would you have a preference to have a counselor who has the same ethnic 
   background as you do? (Y or N)
7. Would you have a preference over the gender of your counselor? (Y or N)
8. Would you like to have "peer counseling"? (Y or N)
   (Have the same background as you)
9 Do you think it is helpful for you to adapt to the new enviroment :
       a. joining an ethnic organization (Y or N)
       b. having more cultural events taking place on campus(Y or N)
       c. going to workshops such as for stress manangement, studying skill etc.
	  (Y or N)
10. Would you seek help from the counseling center if you ever encounter
    any problems such as those mentioned above?(Y or N)
11. Do you have any inputs that you like to give?

Except for question 11, you can just answer y or n.  Once again I like to thank
	you for your time.

a) Country you came from:                 
b) Age:
c) Gender:
d) undergrad/grad/others:

THANKS AGAIN!

			 			Karen Lau
						s-lau3@uiuc.edu
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: You have to be rich to get the Authorities to listen
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:23:46 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Apr10.000258.16846@sics.se> lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson) writes:
>Your example is actually an example of good service on the part of
>Swedish Telecom (even an official service). Since all of Sweden won't
>get AXE for many years to come, subscribers in some areas are offered
>a connection to a nearby exchange (*not their own*) which has AXE.
>Since the telephone number contains routing information, you would
>have to get a new number in this case. In my humble opinion this is
>laudable and very good customer service.

  Thanks for the information, but you must agree that they must have an 
"amazing" customer service if one can get better information by asking the 
net than one can get from Televerket!

>Lars-Henrik Eriksson				Internet: lhe@sics.se

-bertil-
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"It can be shown that for any nutty theory, beyond-the-fringe political view or
 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."