HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Ron.Rothenberg@hnews.fidonet.org (Ron Rothenberg)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Loopholes and ADA
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:04:45 GMT
Reply-To: Ron.Rothenberg@hnews.fidonet.org
Organization: The Handicap News, Shelton CT (203) 337-1607

Index Number: 21074

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

> BG> their premises are totally  INaccessible, then point  to the  fact
>> BG> that  they presently have NO disabled
==>customers/clients/employees  as
>> BG>  proof   of  and justification for an  "exception" from ADA

THat won't work -- frequently it is a chicken and egg problem.
A Restaurant may not have disabled clients because it is
inaccessible.  I have cruised around looking for a place to eat
with a customer, skipping dozens of restaurants until we find
one that is accessible, or at least barrier free.

==>I can give you a valid, current, real-life example of this sort of
==>thinking in action.  Credit Bureaus  effect  everybody, disabled
==>or  not, because  credit effects everybody, disabled  or not.
==>Right? Right! The local  credit bureau is up a very  steep, dark
==>flight of  stairs in an old building  with no elevator.  Totally
==>inaccessible. Yet  if one wishes to keep tabs  on ones credit
==>history, the CB requires that  one present oneself in person at
==>their counter atop the stairs. Will  they accommodate to the
==>extent of even sending  someone down the stairs to meet a disabled
==>client? Absolutely  not. Are they a candidate for an accessibility
==>complaint  under the ADA?  You bet.  Are they whining  that they
==>should receive  an exemption since they  have no disabled clients?

As one who uses credit bureaus a lot, but dislikes going there
when I can do the same by phone or mail:

To get a copy of your credit report, send a letter, including
your name, address (for the past five years, with zip codes),
social security number, date of birth, spouse's first name &
social security number (if married), current employer and
signature.

If you've been denied credit or employment during the past 60
days because of your credit record, send a copy of the bureaus
notice to you or the name of the company and there's no charge
for the report.  Otherwise, you must pay a fee.  Starting in
April 1992, TRW will be offering a once-yearly free credit
report without charge.

 *    TRW, Box 749029, Dallas, TX 75373 (214-235-1200) $15.00 per
report.

 *    Trans Union Corp., P.O. Box 7000, North Olmsted Ohio
      44070 (316-263-0166) $20.00 per report.

 *    CBI/Equifax, P.O. Box 4091, Atlanta, GA 30302,
      (1-800-685-1111) $15 for an individual report.  (report can be
      ordered by phone.)

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From: dashiell@nadc.navy.navy.mil (Jude DaShiell)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: electric cars
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:13:30 GMT
Reply-To: dashiell@nadc.navy.navy.mil (Jude DaShiell)
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 21200

Some blindness organizations are still into apologizing for us
being blind.  Those ora  organizations like to promote blindness as
an inconvenience.  I have a suggestion for them.  Put them in a lab
working on a cure for AIDS having only themselves and a microscope
and set the stakes such that if they don't come up with the cure
they get to die from the disease after a reasonable period.  You
can bet they'd be working hard on figuring out how to regenerate
eyes.

The only useful thing I learned in Biology was fermentation and
some would question the usefulness of that learning.  It has
however helped make good saki.  I was restricted to Arithmetic
classes for several years since at one school they didn't allow
students with less than senior high grades to go into higher math
and afterwards was told that that restriction was a mistake.  I was
restricted to Biology class in another school because the Chemistry
department was not mentally equipped to educate me even though
Science For The Blind had the necessary adaptive equipment and
noone has yet to date come up with a braille microscope.  Blindness
under the right circumstances isn't a nuissance it's an
impossibility.

Jude
From: Joel.Lefkowitz@f8.n135.z1.fidonet.org (Joel Lefkowitz)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Biofeedback
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:50:51 GMT
Reply-To: Joel.Lefkowitz@f8.n135.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:135/8 - CORAL GABLES MEDTER, Coral Gables FL

Index Number: 21222

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

Biofeedback was an excellent tool for helping to diminish the pain.
When I had finished my training I could alter my temperature, which
is great for migraines, as well as cause the needle in the machine
to dramatically jump or dip. Once you leave the hospital setting
you must continue doing whatever it is they have taught you
otherwise it was all for nothing. I am continuing on with self
hypnosis and have even joined a group practising meditation. I have
found that to be a tremendous help when the pain gets bad. The
problem is keeping the wife, kids, dog, and birds out of the room
while I meditate. It seems whenever I get into the mood to meditate
I instantly draw a crowd. It seems my time is up so I will jabber
at you soon....

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From: Nancy.Feldman@p0.f605.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Nancy Feldman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Ham Radio Schematics
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:37:09 GMT
Reply-To: Nancy.Feldman@p0.f605.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/605.0 - Purgatory BBS, Salem OR

Index Number: 20972

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

A friend of mine is studying for his Tech license and needs to know where
he can find braille schematics.  Can anyone help?

 * SLMR 2.1a * Fnord.

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From: James.Womack@f71.n382.z1.fidonet.org (James Womack)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: ASL as a Structured Language
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:54:16 GMT
Reply-To: James.Womack@f71.n382.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:382/71 - BitStream, Round Rock Tx

Index Number: 21042

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Pat, your post to Wayne S. is good. I'd like to know more about
your work with ASL. Wayne's argument (I'm sure were not meant to be
that way) are old hearized arguments meant to debunk the value of
ASL and once again encourage Deaf people to let go of it in favor
of pseudo languages such as SEE, SE, etc. I was/am planning to
respond to his post and am debating whether to repost Dr Supalla's
and Dr. Davis' reserach in this area to show what research proves
as opposite to speculations concerning ASL.

In truth, some spoken languages have been judged unstructured by
western people or westernizers of other cultures simply because it
didn't fit the western way of thinking. This is a gross injustice
to any people who use their native languages. ASL is astnoishingly
similar to most other lnguages and English contrary to the same. In
some areas this is so evident that half-serious questions arise as
to whether English is a true language in the strictest sense.
Personally I consider thsi questions s foolish as the question
about the validity of ASL as a language. Yet, there it is; the
question. It goes to show that if anyone chooses to find fault with
other people and their ways, they will.

Your post was great. i only wish you could have expanded n on it a
bit. I hope you share more reserach info on this area.

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From: Steve.Matzura@f203.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Matzura)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: NLS TB DEVELOPMENTS
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:14:58 GMT
Reply-To: Steve.Matzura@f203.n2603.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2603/203 - The Shop Mail Only, Flushing NY

Index Number: 21084

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 > better yet why dont they have a 800 number so we call via modem and
 > search and then leave e requests to be sent to our regional library

Yes, yes, a million times yes!  I've been asking for this for
literally twenty years!  And there's absolutely no good reason why
we cannot have it and why we do not have it.

Let me tell you about a trip I took to the New York State Library
for the Blind and Physically Handicapped at the Cultural Education
Center in Empire State Plaza.  Now, this library (NLS branch) had
recently gotten a lot of funding to put in a new computer system,
and I, being a computer person since I could spell the word, had to
go down and see what they had, and what they were doing with it.  I
did this, by the way, just for reference, in October, 1989, when I
went to the ACB State convention.

Anyway, I saw this great system (run on a VAX, by the way, for
anybody who knows about such things) where someone could walk up to
a terminal and search the title index, the author index, the
category index, the media index, the periodicals index, retrieve
articles by keyword for doing research, cause extracts and
abstracts to be printed on a local printer so the patron could take
the material home with them without having to check out paper
magazines and reports, etc., ... lots and lots and just loads of
nice features--oh yes, you could place orders right through the
very same terminal, just like you should be able to do.

Needless to say, I was very pleased and happy with their new
system. "Gee," said I, "where's your talking terminal or paperless
Braille device so I might look at the system from a blind user's
standpoint?"  "Oh," said my tour guide, a librarian's assistant,
"that's not yet possible.  We don't have any such things here.
This branch is primarily a mail-only library, not designed for
walk-ins."  "Fine," said I, "then what's the dial-up number so I
can get into it when I get home?"  "Ain't no such" was the reply.
The system exists, the capabilities are what we want, but somehow,
somebody somewhere doesn't understand that we want them and that we
could make use of them.  My question is, how do we change this???

Steve Matzura

Via: FrontDoor 2.02

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From: Mike.Freeman@f126.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Freeman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: ELECTRIC CARS AND TH
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:35:28 GMT
Reply-To: Mike.Freeman@f126.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/126 - Lawson & Reay, Vancouver WA

Index Number: 21186

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

In a message to Peter Rayner <27 Mar 92 14:26> Curtis Delzer wrote:

 CD> another problemis with their quiet
 CD> approach, how can you judge how safe it is
 CD> to cross the street without some kind of warning signal
 CD> from a "audible" light-change indicator?  Why is it that

I've never heard an electric car yet that was *that* quiet!  Besides,
knowning when the light has nominally changed doesn't help a darn with
vehicles that turn in front of you -- and audible signals distract one
from the serious business of paying attention to those vehicles.  Having
quiet electric cars would only exacerbate the situation -- the audible
signals would, according to your premise, drown 'em out!
super-quiet] electric cars that turn in front of you.

 CD> some "organizations" for the blind are against such obvious
 CD> needs?  In some cities such as Oakland Ca. and others there

Because they (the audible signals are distracting and ineffective.

 CD> are numerous sounding light-change indicators, but in many
 CD> there are not.  With the on-comming revolution in electric
 CD> cars' technology, it seems to me that such a thing should
 CD> be manditory, just like curb "cuts" are for wheelchair
 CD> users.

Let's see whether the revolution occurs before we try to modify the
whole country at three kilobux per light!

-Mike [K7UIJ]-
... *The National Federation of the Blind is changing what it means to be blind.*
___
 * CRR QWK 1.40 *

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From: Gordon.Gillesby@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org (Gordon Gillesby)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Independent living center
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:04:55 GMT
Reply-To: Gordon.Gillesby@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3602/24 - ADAnet One (tm) Net, Pinson AL

Index Number: 21190

BP**>From: person@plains.nodak.edu (Brett Person )
BP**>Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo
BP**>Message-ID: <20537@handicap.news>
BP**>Index Number: 20537

BP**>I'd like to correspond with anyone involved with independent living
BP**>centers. Good/bad experiences, write to me and tell me about it.
BP**>thanks

Greetings,

   I'd be happy to forward your request on.  Perhaps you could be a
little more specific as to what kind of information you seek and, if
you'd care to tell, what use you intend to put it to?

                                 Thanks

                                  glg

                           9203.25 - 14:20.54

 * OLX 2.2 * ZMODEM has bigger bits, softer blocks, and tighter ASCII

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From: Warren.Figueiredo@f6.n3800.z1.fidonet.org (Warren Figueiredo)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Dreaming dogs
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:15:35 GMT
Reply-To: Warren.Figueiredo@f6.n3800.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3800/6 - CompuChurch (tm) IH, Baton Rouge LA

Index Number: 21085

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Gary Larson's comic strip THE FAR SIDE has always been a favorite of
mine. Today's strip was captioned "When seeing-eye dogs dream." It
showed a sleeping harnessed dog sprawled out on a rug. The dream bubble
over is his head shows him cutting through the middle of traffic; his
harness and a leash flapping in the wind. He is in hot pursuit of a
striped cat. The cat is shown beating a hasty retreat.

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From: Sheila.Fava@f3.n157.z1.fidonet.org (Sheila Fava)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Disabled youth info:....
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:50:08 GMT
Reply-To: Sheila.Fava@f3.n157.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:157/3 - Nerd's Nook, Rocky River OH

Index Number: 21219

[This is from the Abled Athlete Conference]

                    NATIONWIDE MEETS PLANNED

              In an effort to involve the disABLED
              young people of America in the com-
              petitive sports movement, the United
              States Organization of disABLED Ath-
              letes (USODA) has put together a na-
              tionwide series  of  track and field
              meets.  The events  will take  place
              from March thru June of this year.

              The program is a positive, exciting and
              challenging  experience  for physically
              disABLED  youth  throughout the US. and
              creates  an awareness of the opportuni-
              ties and benefits sports can offer them.

              The series, called the Victory Youth
              disABLED Sports Program, will include
              events from coast to coast.

              (My notes:  Since  I  just  received
               this schedule, I will list just the
               sports events of  CURRENT  interest.
    From March Fourteenth to April Fourth the events -were- held:
                                                      ^^^^
              (*  March 14th -- Columbia, SC
               *  April 1st  -- Mountainside, NJ
               *  April 4th  -- Miami, FL
               *  April 4th  -- St. Augustine, FL

              (And now for the current schedule: )
                               ^^^^^^^

              *  May 9th -- Portage, MN
              *  May 9th -- Houston, TX
              *  May 16th -- Seattle, WA
              *  May 16th -- Charlotte, NC
              *  June 6th -- Los Angeles, CA
              *  June 6th -- San Jose, CA
              *  June 6th --Boulder, CO
              *  June 20th -- Baltimore, MD

              * To Be Announced:  Long Island, NY   (2)

              For further information, please contact:
                                       USODA
                                       143 California Ave.
                                       Uniondale, NY 11553
                                       (516)485-3701  (VOICE)
                                       (516)485-3707 (FAX)

          (I do not know if, at this  time, there is a TDD number.)

              Posted from:
                   Sports'N'Spokes Magazine
                   March - April 1992
                   Vol. 17 No. 6
-----
                    ---Sheila

                    *** HOST(ess) ABLED-Athlete Conference ***

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From: hlynka@server.uwindsor.ca (Myron Hlynka)
Newsgroups: misc.test
Subject: test
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:01:06 GMT
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: misc.test
Subject: Etta, tv}a, trea, jag testar
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:06:25 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Could it be testosterone?



-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Newsgroups: misc.test
From: bon6@quads.uchicago.edu (rahul  bonner)
Subject: And Whiskey
Reply-To: bon6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 17:12:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.060137.5926@polari.com> uunet!polari!osiris writes:
>Testing bang path....
>
>jdr


And wild, wild women.
From: mewes@decvax.UUCP (Jim Mewes)
Newsgroups: misc.test
Subject: please ignore
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:57:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Montana

Please ignore
From: nmohapat@pcocd2.intel.com (Nihar Mohapatra)
Newsgroups: misc.test
Subject: Test
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:42:43 GMT
Reply-To: nmohapat@pcocd2.intel.com (Nihar Mohapatra)
Distribution: na
Organization: Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA

This is a test.
--
Nihar Mohapatra
  Intel Corp., MS: FM2-60, 1900 Prairie City Rd, Folsom, CA 95630
  nmohapat@pcocd2.intel.com
  (916)351-3406
Newsgroups: misc.test
From: craigr@jabaru.cec.edu.au (Craig Ryhorchuk)
Subject: test
Organization: Jabaru Timesharing, Melbourne Australia
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 01:44:56 GMT

testing
PING

Newsgroups: misc.test
From: osiris@polari.com (David Ruggiero)
Subject: turnips
Reply-To: osiris@polari.com
Organization: Seattle Online (polari)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:02:30 GMT

testing domain paths

David



Newsgroups: misc.test
From: raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Re: 
Followup-To: misc.test
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 23:07:04 GMT
Distribution: ba   
 


> 
> > 
> >  
> >   just testing my .rninit file. Please ignore.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
>
From: dodger@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (The Artful)
Newsgroups: misc.test
Subject: test again
Summary: test
Keywords: test
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:01:36 GMT
Reply-To: dodger@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (The Artful)
Distribution: ut
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: dodger@doc.cc.utexas.edu

this is a test this is only a test please ignore
Newsgroups: misc.test
From: rc@bacall.NOC.Vitalink.COM (Ran-Chi Huang)
Subject: Pinging
Organization: Vitalink Communications Corporation
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 06:56:41 GMT

I wonder where this goes to
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Newsgroups: misc.test
From: jim@neb.uucp (Jim Hood)
Subject: junk
Organization: Nebula BBS - Salt Lake City Utah, USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:13:21 GMT

junk junk junk
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Newsgroups: misc.test,rec.arts.comics
From: jmoore@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Coup D'Etat)
Subject: Re: ALAN MOORE KNOWS *WHAT* SCORE??
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Followup-To: misc.test,rec.arts.comics
	<1992Apr16.182152.10468@tigger.jvnc.net>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:27:10 GMT



Alan Moore is perhaps the greatest modern comics writer.
He wrote the critically acclaimed "Watchmen" series, the first three books
of the current Miracle Man series (one of my personal favorites), as well
as numorous other comics.  All of which had a consistant quality that was
above what the industry usually considers as good.

-Jef

Newsgroups: misc.test
From: root@research.nj.nec.com (Zingo Root)
Subject: test
Organization: NEC Research Institute, Princeton, NJ
Distribution: nj
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:49:55 GMT


Newsgroups: misc.test
From: rcarter@isis.cs.du.edu (Ron Carter)
Subject: Sorry, screwed up the dis part...
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 16:39:01 GMT


Test.

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Newsgroups: misc.test
From: jchen@sct.gu.edu.au (Jinghong CHEN)
Subject: Test
Originator: jchen@tomahawk.sct.gu.edu.au
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 10:59:49 GMT


Newsgroups: misc.test
From: mohan@turing.iss.nus.sg (Mohan S. Kankanhalli)
Subject: Re: THE ULTIMATE TEST!!!!!
Reply-To: mohan@iss.nus.sg (Mohan S. Kankanhalli)
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:18:15 GMT

In article <1311.9204091804@uk.ac.keele.seq1> csv25@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Chopra M) writes:
>...


Test of follow-up with mended rn.
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From: BKD@USLVM.USL.EDU (Brian K. Dore')
Newsgroups: misc.test
Subject: USL
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:30:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: USLVM.167C1A1D9.BKD
Organization: Your Organization

Distribution: local
 
Test
From: masleap@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (David L. Ennis)
Newsgroups: misc.test
Subject: This is a test
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:11:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: ubvmsd.00958D073007E900.379F
Reply-To: masleap@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS NNEWS Test

This is a test.
 
================================================================================
David L Ennis    (NNEWS Development)     BITNET:   masleap@ubvms
College of Mathematics and Sciences      INTERNET: masleap@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
State University of New York at Buffalo
Buffalo, NY 14261 USA   (716) 636-2235
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      The opinions stated above are those of the author and do not reflect
            the opinions of the College of Mathematics and Sciences.
================================================================================
From: dodger@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (The Artful)
Newsgroups: misc.test
Subject: test
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:07:11 GMT
Reply-To: dodger@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (The Artful)
Distribution: ut
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: dodger@tigger.cc.utexas.edu

this is a test post over the MICOM
From: CLIFFORD@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: misc.test
Subject: just a test
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:59:09 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Just wanted to see how this works.