From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Football Failures at Bowie Force end of Season
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:13:50 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX

In article <1992Nov19.005933.27022@watson.ibm.com>, johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
> David L. Cathey (davidc@montagar.com) wrote:
> : 	Again, Football is an elitist sport, participated in only by those
> : chosen by the coach.  Math is a required curricular course by ALL who are
> : attending school.
> 
> But SHOULD it be?  That's my whole point really.

	So what should high school be for?  You feel that no one should take
a class they don't want to.  What would constitute earning a Diploma or
GED in this case?  But I forget, you are an Anarchist that thinks that
public schools should be abolished.

> : 	Liberty is a given, but you don't understand that it is a two-way
> : street.  You have to right to work, but I also have the right to not hire
> : you if I think your an asshole.
> 
> Sure, but don't try to stop me from going to work at that other place down
> the street.

	Nah, they can figure it out on their own, or it will improve my
competitiveness against them.  Actually, I'd probably encourage them to hire
you.

> : 	But the child *IS* taking the responsibility!  If he blows off classes,
> : there are penalties.  It is *THEIR* choice, their risk, and their
> : responsibility.
> 
> Yeah, and if the "penalty" was fifty lashes with a cat-o-nine-tails, I would
> complain about that too.  The penalty is artificially imposed, rather than
> a natural consequence.

	No it isn't.  If the child can't get a simple High School diploma,
he will not get into college, and never wear a Pro uniform.  At that point,
they have already demonstrated that they do not want a football career,
so why should we let him play games on public funds?

> : 	The school is not only prescribing what "meals" are approved, they
> : are providing them and are directing the "diet" to provide a "well-balanced
> : meal".  If you don't want to eat at the school (even though this means you
> : don't get "football" for dessert), you are welcome to dine elsewhere.
> 
> What if the school only served potato chips in the cafeteria?  I would
> complain about that too.

	Appearently unless that's all the student wanted to eat.

> : We are not talking about failing optional classes, but required core
> : curriculum.
> 
> The "required core curriculum" is too narrow and biased, IMHO.

	Narrow?  General math, english, science is too narrow?  Hardly...

> :                                                               Sometimes
> : long term gains hurt for a little while...  But you are the one that wants
> : to take the easy way, without appearent regard for the long-term.
> 
> I don't have any problem with considering the long-term.  I have a problem 
> with other people doing your considering for you.

	They are not.  They are free to seek "education" elsewhere.  Entering
a public school is a two way street.  They will teach you if you want to learn.
If not, please leave.

> : 	But until you do <X> for a living, it doesn't matter how well you
> : do <X>, does it?  You should hedge your bets by learning <Y> in case <X> isn't
> : an option.
> 
> I don't disagree.  IT'S A GOOD IDEA.  But that doesn't mean it should be forced
> upon people who don't agree.

	Again, they are free to seek "education" elsewhere...

> : 	Again, if you really had any concern, you would want them to be
> : better prepared for a variety of outcomes.
> 
> I want them not to have their choices interfered with.

	Like I said...

> John Iacoletti       IBM AWS Austin       Internet: johniac@austin.ibm.com
>         My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
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