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From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:20:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.184641.18722@spdc.ti.com> crowder@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mark Crowder) writes:
>In article <1edp07INN8l1@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>>In article 7211@spdc.ti.com, crowder@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mark Crowder) writes:
>>
>  You're not alone Ed.  Most folks think I'm crazy when I talk about
>this.  But blasting down forest service roads with a load of camping
>gear on a street bike is just one of those things that puts a smile
>on my face.  What the hell?  I always cary tweezers and needle nose
>pliers in the road rash kit to pick out gravel.  
>

And the road rash kit is substantial. I've seen it in use. (Not on myself,
thank goodness.) Never having owned a dirtbike (unless you count the Bonnie)
I do this kind of riding cause I just don't know any better. Ninja Ken can
give you an idea of what Mark and I consider the easy stuff. For a taste of
the serious shit, come ride with us. But you can't be worried about minor
things like paint and plastic.

Jeff Achenbach

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: CBX and other 6 cyl's
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:01:14 GMT

In <1edu9bINNaua@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com (Roger Collier) writes:

>In article 1452@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu, labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:
>>
>>	While in a Honda Dealership I came across a CBX 6 cylinder MC.
>>What other inline 6's are out there...flying V-6's???
>>

>There was the Benelli SEI (750 or 900cc)    Is Benelli a town in Wales?? :-)
>Laverda made a V6 1000, raced it a bit but never put it into production.
>Honda made a 250cc inline 6 racer in the 1960s
>Moto Guzzi made a V8......
>I'm going to build a bike with a Viper V10 or maybe a Jaguar V12........
>The local aerospace museum has a V2, but that's a German rocket intended for the
>London market only.....

  Kawasaki made a big water cooled inline six standard. I don't know
what it was called but I beleive it was the base for the Voyager. I
tried it but found it way to heavy.

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |          **           | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer" - IT175 |           - anonymous









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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Yamaha V-Max specs
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:49:15 GMT

rich@godzilla.quotron.com (Richard Yee) writes:

>Does anyone have any specs on the Yamaha V-Max? Hp, torque, mpg, are
>basically what I'm interested in.

> Also, is it shaft-driven?

Yep.

From Chuck Rogers "Performance Database From Hell":

] Kerker Dyno readout at 5000 RPM:
]  BHP    Ft-Lb       Model         Trade Name
] -----   -----      ------------   -----------
] 66.93   70.31      VMX12N(85)     V-Max

Top of the heap for mid-range power, but the FJ1200 & Katana 1100 beat
it in roll-on contests because they weigh less.

] MODEL      Make Weight 1/4mile_t@v  0-60 45-70(3) 45-70(4) 45-70(5) Hp@60mph
] --------   ---- ------ ------------ ---- -------- -------- -------- --------
] VMX12N(85)   Yam 618.5w 10.99@124.04 N/A  2.24@189 3.12@265 3.76@319 N/A +5/85
] VMX12N(85)   Yam 618.5w 10.99@124.04 2.88 2.48@209 3.36@285 4.16@350 N/A %5/85
]
] RPM      BPH    TORQUE          GEAR RATIOS  (mph@RPM)
] 3500    41.66   62.52           (1) 55@9500                     VMX12N(85)
] 4000    46.17   60.63           (2) 78@9500                     VMX12N(85)
] 4500    56.14   65.52           (3) 103@9500                    VMX12N(85)
] 5000    66.93   70.31           (4) 128@9500                    VMX12N(85)
] 5500    77.56   74.06           (5) 149@9500                    VMX12N(85)
] 6000    88.58   77.54                                           VMX12N(85)
] 6500    94.52   76.37                                           VMX12N(85)
] 7000   102.19   76.68                                           VMX12N(85)
] 7500   109.70   76.82                                           VMX12N(85)
] 8000   115.15   75.60                                           VMX12N(85)
] 8500   113.37   72.52                                           VMX12N(85)
] 9000   119.08   69.49                                           VMX12N(85)
] 9500   112.68   62.30                                           VMX12N(85)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au (Conrad Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: MSF=Infallible (was Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd.)
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:30:56 GMT
Reply-To: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Organization: QPSX Communications
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
: In article <Stafford-121192171233@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
: >In article <9901072@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
: >wrote:
: >> 
: >> Did you know that the majority of fatal head injuries incurred by
: >> helmetless riders have resulted in death?  I rest my case. 
: >
: >Do you know that the majority of fatal head injuries incurred by
: >helmetless AUTOMOBILE DRIVERS have resulted in death?  I say if
: >we have to wear helmets based upon your 'reason' then everyone 
: >has to wear helmets.  Oh, let's not forget all the money we spend
: >on health care for people who slip in the bathtub, too.
: >
: >sensitized -- a girl friend of mine has been in a coma for five
: >days, now due to a head injury incurred in an auto accident.  A helmet
: >probably would have saved her.  You want to base a law on such
: >incidences?
: 
: Well, if all of our FINE legislators in this country did not have to drive/ride
: in cars also you probably would see some stupid helmet law for cars.  
: 
Yup, just as "stupid" as 5 point harnesses and roll over & side impact
protection.  Or requiring that drivers not be under the influence of
debilitating drugs/on the phone/reading the paper. No smiley.

Conrad Drake
--
"A carnival of misery so tragically our own,
 Where gathered 'round the ballot box we reap what we have sown"
               "These Festivals" Leunig, 1992

Email: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Snail: QPSX Communications, Private Bag 24, West Perth 6005, Australia. 
Numbers:(ph) +61 9 324 1641, (fx) +61 9 321 2984 (dod) 0604

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From: molenda@i1.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda)
Subject: Re: Squash or slide?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:03:13 GMT

bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:

>For those who actually have the luxury of deciding, please do tell....

I'm with bill on this one.  I went over the bars twice this summer.
The first time I had enough time to realize that there was a really
heavy chunk of metal going in roughly the same direction as me right
behind me, and the second time i had enough time to think `crap!  not
again'.  otherwise, the only way i could figure out what the heck
happened was by the bruises i found all over myself the next day.
I have absolutely no idea what happened from when i left the seat of
my motorcycle till i had stopped.  and i'm supposed to have good
reaction timing after four years of traditional martial arts.

you can dream about all the acrobatics you'll do if you go down, but
chances are it isn't going to do you much good...
-- 
Jason Molenda, University of Minnesota, Supercomputer Inst., Technical Support
SGI Iris Admin        molenda@jason.msi.umn.edu       DoD #1867     '77 CB750F
``If you are what you eat, I'm dead meat.'' -- Timbuk 3
From: wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance trip?
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:33:37 GMT
Reply-To: wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich)

brady_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Brady) writes:

>So here is your essay question -- what would you ride on a 10,000 mile trip?
>Pencils up... and begin.

Well, just to agree with all the other bright people out there, I'd
take a BMW R100GS.  I haven't taken mine on any multi-thousand mile
trips.  The longest was a 1200 mile trip, taken in two legs, two up.
We basically rode until we needed fuel, stopped for 15 minutes, and
mounted up again.  Very comfortable, lots of room for stuff, handled
well, wrote postcards home for me, all the normal stuff.

I'd put a PD tank on it for a long trip in remote areas.  I can get
about 240 miles out of the stock tank before it runs dry (approx
40mpg), but the PD tank would increase that to well over 300 miles.
If you are going solo, the solo PD seat gives you a big luggage rack,
and with the saddlebags, you should be able to pack enough for a trip
around the world.

The stock tires lasted me about 10,000 miles, but that wasn't really
hard, long, riding.  They have great traction on all the terrain I've
played with them on though.  Not as many worries about going through
that washed out road ahead as I'd have taking something like an ST1100
or a 'wing.  I prefer something that I can pick up all by myself if
I'm out in the boonies and I have to swerve to avoid a moose on a
rough gravel road.

You should put some auxilary lights with rock guards on that puppy.
(it's got plenty of mounting places) The BMW dealers around here have
been doing this a lot (partially thanks to me), and you'll be all set.


--
Ken Wallich
wallich@ncd.com  
ken@wallich.com
From: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au (Conrad Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: what is Too Much Power?
Date: 20 Nov 92 01:07:16 GMT
Reply-To: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Organization: QPSX Communications
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Mark Donahue (?) said,
"I have enough power when I can spin the wheels at the end of the
straight"
--
"A carnival of misery so tragically our own,
 Where gathered 'round the ballot box we reap what we have sown"
               "These Festivals" Leunig, 1992

Email: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Snail: QPSX Communications, Private Bag 24, West Perth 6005, Australia. 
Numbers:(ph) +61 9 324 1641, (fx) +61 9 321 2984 (dod) 0604
From: steve@presto.ig.com (Steve Barnhouse)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Saturday night COPS on FOX
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:26:25 GMT
Organization: IntelliGenetics, Inc., Mountain View, California USA

In article <28371@castle.ed.ac.uk> cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:

> Statistics show
>that if you must travel in a car, it is safer not to drive it.
>

Ha ha ha ha ha!  Don't you just love statitistics!  How many peole do
you know who travel in cars with no drivers?  They are the safest.
Statistics also show that most accidents happen close to home.  I'm
safest when I drive in Greenland because it's far from home.  This is
like the statistic that shows that if you travel on a commercial
airline, you are safer if you carry a bomb; there is a chance that there
will be a bomb on the plane, but the chance of there being 2 bombs on
the plane is virtually zero.

--steve                                          steve@presto.ig.com

ps: what's this have to do with the Subject?  Dunno.
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Subject: Re: Passenger Clothing (how fascist are YOU?)
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:31:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> side at 60 mph on the expressway and went down. He folded his arms
-> across his chest, tucked his chin, pointed his toes, and rolled down
-> the expressway like a tube for 150 yards.

 Betcha he felt like a cat in a Cuisinart after that...

 I got T-boned by an improper left turn.  Threw me (by eyewitness
reports) over ten feet up.  I sailed through the air with the greatest
of ease... SPLUD.  Came down on my shoulders, slapped the blacktop HARD,
flipped up and over and right up onto my feet.  Those gymnastics classes
paid off in involuntary reflex.

 Alas, my left leg was mainly bone meal from the knee down, so instead
of taking my bows and walking away, I kinda pivoted left and went back
down.
From: bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Alcohol fuels
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:09:25 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
> Chris Malcolm (cam@castle.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
> : drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp writes:
> :
> : >Have you noticed it's usually the grottiest, rustiest cars pumping out the
> : >most smoke and oil that have the Greenpeace stickers on?  Yeah, save the
> : >environment with carbon dioxide.  Right on.
> :
> : What a moron! It is elementary chemistry that the more smoke and oil
> : the car pumps out the _less_ carbon dioxide it is producing. In any
> : case there is nothing wrong with carbon dioxide -- it happens to be
> : the main exhaust gas produced by animal lungs, and is one of the main
> : foods of plant life. But if you really want to stop producing carbon
> : dioxide I suggest you stop breathing.
>
> Steady on there old chap, he probably meant carbon monoxide.
> Oil and smoke (burning oil?  Unburnt petrol?) are not exactly conducive
> to a decent environment or saving the planet you know.
>
> Did you see the bit on Tomorrow's World about the busses in reading that
> are running on crop-derived fuel.  It looks to be a good way forward.

        In parts of South America they've been experimenting with fuel
made up partly from petrol and partly from (sugarcane?) alcohol, called
Gasohol. They've been using it for a few years now with promising results.
The decision to try this was partly to cut petrol based pollution and
partly to cut dependency on oil improtation. Alcohol based fuels aren't
as dirty vis a vis exhaust gasses.


           Bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au  OR  bull@monu1.cc.monash.oz
                    DOD# 251  '84 VF 750   Closet Ducatisto
             Disclaimer. If you love your llama, let it lambada.
From: jwills@ISI.EDU (Jerry Wills)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Obituary
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:54:32 GMT
Organization: USC-ISI
In-reply-to: noemi@maui.cs.ucla.edu's message of 15 Nov 92 20:03:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.200358.269@cs.ucla.edu> noemi@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Noemi Berry) writes:

	   Thursday, Nov. 12, 1992

	   R.I.P: '82 Kawasaki KZ 305 CSR -- pronounced dead at the scene
	   on CA Highway 85 southbound.  the little kawi revved its heart
	   out to the end, but gave way to a fast loss of power and
	   increasing exhaust rattle, and finally quit in a cloud of noise
	   and smoke.
  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------


	Most motos die from neglect, you have started a fine tradition for
	Yourself. Riding it into the ground, with the throttle wide open.
	The 305 was the perfect WOT bike for a starter, and with enough miles
	you now feel comforable, TWISTING your wrist. I can't wait to see what 
	happens with your next bike :^), remember, that just because you will
	have more power is no excuse to back off. Think of it more as a learning
	experience, like when you were first riding, but things really are 
	going by THAT fast.

	Power to the People.....RIGHT ON

			Jerry Wills 
I'll have enough POWER when I can spin the tires at the end of the straight!
89 FJ DERSLYR, 83 Le Mans III Kit DoD#500 KotF(Flag) Mark Donahue, about 917's
USC/Information Sciences Institute  (USC/ISI)  SoCal (310) 822-1511 x 236

You done violated Physics, BOY!    Assume the position..... (Rider 5/92)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: High speed in USA?
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:43:27 GMT

roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer) writes:

>I never speed in a city. I've learned my lesson the hard way. As you said,
>CHP and Sheriff deputies you can talk to - city cops, well, havn't met one
>yet who wasn't a hardass.

Not to mention the difference in the average density of Little Girls
With Tennis Balls per mile, city vs. country.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Squash or slide?
Date: 22 Nov 92 13:48:43 GMT
	<BxoCHE.IyL@ccu.umanitoba.ca> <1992Nov18.112304.10192@aber.ac.uk>
	<1992Nov19.233137.24262@serval.net.wsu.edu>
	<1992Nov22.010313.16484@news2.cis.umn.edu>
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: molenda@i1.msi.umn.edu's message of 22 Nov 92 01:03:13 GMT

>>>>> On 22 Nov 92 01:03:13 GMT, molenda@i1.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda) said:
bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
Bill>For those who actually have the luxury of deciding, please do tell....

Jason> I'm with bill on this one.

There have been papers presented on techniques for departing from
one's mount prior to collision.  They all share a common problem.
Your directional and speed control is better while on the motorcycle.
This is similar to the statement "I had to lay it down".  Literally
translated, it means "I couldn't/didn't know how to execute an
effective accident-avoidance/reduction maneuver".

There is a finite time from perception to collision.  You can spend
that time changing your speed and/or direction.  You can also attempt
to make others aware of your presence (communicate).  Not much else is
available.  An riding motorcyclist can increase OR decrease speed more
effectively than a rolling/sliding motorcyclist.  Same thing goes for
changing direction.  Once you depart from the motorcycle, you have
given up a large measure of control.

I know of one instance where a rider was so keyed up on the technique
of jumping free of danger, that when a car pulled out in front of him,
he executed a perfectly controlled leap into the air!  The car driver
must have missed the incident, because he/she continued across the
motorcycles path and disappeared into a parking lot without
hesitating.  The motorcycle continued a short distance down the road,
riderless, eventually veering off to the side and falling over.
The "rider" was left (unharmed) sitting in the middle of the road
and watching the events unfold.

Concentrate on developing your accident-avoidance skills.  You will be
more likely to minimize or avoid your next accident by

1)  Reducing your reaction time (period of indecision) to
    performing an accident-avoidance maneuver.

2)  Increasing the effectiveness of the maneuver through skill and
    practice.

and

3)  Maximizing the time and space for performing the maneuver (time
    spent rolling or sliding).

Even if you choose emergency braking with insufficient room to stop,
a collision at 5 mph on a motorcycle has less potential for harm than
a 30 mph impersonation of a bowling ball.
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,sci.physics
From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest)
Subject: Re: PHYSICS OF STEERING (long) (was Re: What would you ride on a long...)
Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics
	<ZOWIE.92Nov18210725@daedalus.stanford.edu>
	<By1GoI.MAz@news.iastate.edu>
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:29:35

In article <By1GoI.MAz@news.iastate.edu> tomes@iastate.edu () writes:
   In article <foo> zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (ME!) writes:
   >In a weightless environment, the c.r. (1/2 way between the contact patch 
   >and the c.g.) would be stationary during the roll ...

Oh -- well, yes.  Sorry.  I was kind-of out to lunch ( I really have to stop 
posting without sleep ) about the location of the c.r.; I was thinking about
another problem I'd done about a year ago, involving frictive forces etc.  
Of course it revolves about the c.m. -- that's the first thing in lots o'
physics 100 courses.  Of course, the diagrams were all wrong too -- the c.r.
*is* the c.m. in all of 'em...

[Damn -- there goes the rec.moto credibility rating... :-] 

The reason for the dig at non-physicists is just that we have lots and lots
of postings of the `Well if you don't countersteer you're not a real man' --
`well *I* countersteer but *you* don't' -- `no you don't you turn the wheel 
LEFT' -- `no I turn it RIGHT' type of argument.  Countersteering just
isn't that complicated or magical.

   >BTW, in a very tight turn the top half of you (the rider) is significantly
   >closer to the center of rotation of the yaw, than is the bottom of you.
   >This means that `down' is tilted more, relative to the horizon, for your 
   >bike and your feet, than it is for your head, so you might notice your 
   >back swaying a little while your balance tells you your straight! 

   Yaw is referenced to ground for the bike, but to the bike for the rider?
   I don't worry about it when I ride, and it isn't a problem here. 

No, no problem -- just a cool (and small) thing to notice when you're scraping
the pegs in a parking lot...

   My passengers do what I 
   instruct them to before they ride: look over the inside shoulder in a turn.
   Or else they very quickly become pedestrians.

You teach gymnastics? :-)

   Bone up on your classical physics before you go jobhunting.

Or learn to keep my big steenkin' mouth shut if I haven't slept for 36 hours
or so...
--
Craig DeForest -- `Before hitting "F", ENGAGE BRAIN'
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From: edw@boi.hp.com (Edward Walsh)
Subject: Going to Japan, Need Suggestions.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:37:35 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4




My work is taking me to Japan in the near future. Some time in the past
someone with a .Sig with Japanese in it wrote a description of the motorcycle
shopping district in Tokyo, and if they are still on the net, or if anyone 
saved that info, I would appreciate it if the information could be forwarded
to me. Also I remember other descriptions of riding in Japan posted, plus at
least a few people post from there. Any correspondence would be appreciated.
I'll know my full travel plans Monday, 11/23. I'll also be in Miyota.
This trip promises to be very full of work, but I think it would be
exciting to say I went riding in Japan. I'd be happy to try to meet any DoD'ers
over there.
Oh, I picked up an international driving permit with a motorcycle endorsement
:-) .

Also, there is a program called "Travels" on PBS, and last year there was
program on a woman film-makers trip to a very beautiful, holy shrine in the 
mountains.....does anyone remember that?

Finally, I'm moving my machine from one building to another, and our mail 
server should be able to handle that without burping, but if mail bounces, try
again after noon friday, 11/20.
------------------------------Edward Walsh----Hewlett-Packard Company-------
                              edw@boi.hp.com  Disk Memory Division, MS213
                              (208)323-2174   P.O. Box 39  Boise,Idaho 83707
                              FJ1200'89,XZ550RJ(Vision)'82,DoD#98
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