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From: kim39@husc8.harvard.edu (John Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Litespeed avail. at Nashbar outlet store; Zefal clip-on fenders
Date: 16 Aug 92 20:53:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Aug16.165329.14797
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


	I dropped by the local MA Nashbar outlet store.  I understand
that they now carry Litespeed titanium road bikes, and possibly
the MTBs also.  They don't have any in the store, but you can special-order
them.  However, I do not think the main corp in Ohio will do this, and the
other two outlet stores might not do this.  Seemed like a local deal cut
between the local outlet store manager and the people who make Litespeed.

	I also saw the Nashbar 7000X Shimano oversized aluminum MTB>
It's available in the catalog with a mix of DX/LX parts and the option
to upgrade to a RoxShox or SPD pedals.  The outlet store will also
sell it as a frameset for approx $380 (don't quote me on that, call
them instead!).  I think the other outlet stores in Youngstown,
Columbus and Falls Church, VA will also do this.  The counter guy
compared it favorably to a Cannondale MTB, and it was a light
frameset (I don't think the frame alone was lighter than the
2.8 road frames, but I don't know).

	Funny thing about the Avia AV50 sport fitness shoes.  Mine
are supposed to be here tomorrow from Ohio, where the catalog price
recently dropped from $60 to $25.  However the store had them
for about $70!  Strange.

	I recently bought some Zefal clip-on fenders, hybrid//tour size
(for 700 wheels) at my local bike shop.  You bolt two cips
clips (front and rear) to the bike at then clip the fenders on
when needed, securing them with a thumbscrew.  The front went on
no problem and it not hard to mount, and very easy to remove.  The
back did not attach correctly because my "brake bridge" (no brake
on it since I have cantilevers) had the hole pointing downward instead
of rearward, as it was supposed to for the clip.  I bolted teh fenders
directly onto that brake bridge.  The front of the rear fender has a clip
which hooks onto the seat tube.  The front fender has only two mounting
points, about 1 inch apart, so if you get the front one twisted or warped
it may not lie straight in line with the front wheel. 

	Once mounted the zefal fenders kept the line off my back, but
the front is not low enough to be 100% effective.  It protects my
head and body from spray well, but when I go through puddles the front
tires still drenches my feet.  Thsi could probably be solved by
the "milk-jug" fix listed in the FAQ.

Anyone with questions about teh Nashbar outlet store in MA or
the Zefal fenders, or the AVia sport-fitness shoes when I get
them, feel free to email me.

-J. Case Kim
kim39@husc.harvard.edu
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From: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif)
Subject: Re: using presta tubes with a Schraeder wheel
Reply-To: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:50:16 GMT

In article 27636@ics.uci.edu, self@pasteur.ics.uci.edu (John Self) writes:
>
>I'd like to use Presta valve tubes in wheels drilled for Schraeder
>valve tubes.  This would let me use my floor pump (a Zefal DoubleShot)
>without changing around the chuck every time.  I'm sure I've seen this
>discussed in r.b previously, but I can't remember what the consensus
>was.  Should I put a washer over the valve stem inside the wheel?
>Should I use the valve nut in this case?

As some have already noted, special grommets are available to
"downsize" the hole for a better fit.

When I installed Presta valved tubes on a pair of rims with larger
holes (actually for Woods valves [thank you net.people for telling me
what they're really called!]), I noticed there was actually enough
clearance around the valve for a blister of the tube to pop out. So I
simply put an old nut from a worn out (Presta) tube on the stem inside
the rim. That bike still runs fine, though at one time its owner got a
couple of flats due to sand lodged between tire and tube. I later
suspected this *may* have "leaked in" by the valve, which would be a
reason for making sure the fit is tight.

>						John Self
>						self@ics.uci.edu
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From: dave@pipi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (David Wuertele)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Can 5' tall rider captain a 23-21?
Date: 18 Aug 92 06:19:49 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Institute of Industrial Science, University of tokyo.

Now that we're all asking tandem questions, here's mine:

I just ordered a 23-21 Canondale, and now my best friend (who I expect to
go riding with often) has voiced her will to captain sometimes.  She's 5'
tall.  Sounds like it might be impossible.  The 21" stoker position might
even be too big.

Unfortunately, the difference between our heights is 14", and I expect to
captain the majority of my rides (mostly with fellow cycling team members,
averaging 5'8 or so, for whom the 23-21 should be perfect).  

Do you think I should cancel this frame size?  Or find some way to talk my
5' tall friend into not wanting to captain so badly?

Dave
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From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: MTB for a really big guy
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:56:18 GMT

d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker) writes:

>In article 1693agINNf91@sixgun.East.Sun.COM, fritz@triguy.East.Sun.COM (Steve Fritzinger - SE Sun Washington,DC.) writes:
>>I have a friend who is looking for a mountain bike.  The
>>problem he is having is that at 6' 6" and >> 300 lbs, he

>Personally, I think 24" is a little big (for a mountain bike)
>for someone 6'6".  Well, OK, 23" would be just about right,

This comment makes some broad assumptions on the rider's
hip-to-shoulder vs. hip-to-ankle measurements.  A person with a longer
hip-to-shoulder may find a shorter height frame acceptable if
outfitted with a longer stem plus something like the Scott AT-3
handlebars which provide an optional long reach hand position.  A
person with a longer hip-to-ankle may require a taller height frame
but require a short stem, & the AT-3 type handlebarr would offer no
advantage at all.  At the extremes, a stock frame may not offer the
rider anything close to optimal fit.

Considering that bicycles are designed for "average" people, most
designs are optimal for maybe 5'9" & 160#.  For larger or smaller
riders, the tube angles & lengths & stay lengths are tweaked to create
taller-longer frames or shorter-shorter frames.  Little extra thought
appears to be given for increased rider weight, esp. riders over 230
lbs.

It is good sense to be fitted for a bike by someone with broad
experience, & I've found very few such capabale individuals.  This is
especially true if you have extraordinary height, weight, *or*
hip-to-shoulder vs. hip-to-ankle aspect.  "Conventional" wisdoms don't
take these things into account.

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From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Atlanta '96 : Pro cyclists in ?
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 08:07:48 GMT

In a generally excellent article Harry Phinney writes:
>[.  .  .]  If you want to race as a pro, buy a USPro license.

This is, of course, a tautology -- if you want the word "professional"
on your license, get it from a "professional" cycling federation.
However, don't expect that term to mean much of anything.  It used to
be true that "pros" could receive salaries, win any amounts as prizes,
and demand prepayment just to show up at a race, while "amateurs"
could not (above the table, but often did out of sight).  Now both
"pros" and "amateurs" can do these things.  So what is the difference?
Only the words on the license.

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From: rcedv@netmbx.netmbx.de (R. Cirksena)
Subject: Re: Cannondale 2.8
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:09:32 GMT

stigmata@athena.mit.edu (???) writes:

>the one question i have of other 2.8 owners, have you found
>your bottom bracket to be creaking when climbing out of the
>saddle?  this just started up on mine last week, and i really
>don't want to leave the frame in linseed oil for a couple
>of days.  any replys will be read.

>andy

normally there's no creaking in the bottom bracket but in all 
places where steel contacts aluminum. Especially the stem is
famous for creaking. Maybe a bit of grease on the bolt and nut
will stop the noise.

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From: hamid@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Hamid Mir)
Subject: Re: What cold weather bike shoe?
Organization: DA&MRL, Engineering, UWO, London Ont. CA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:22:24 GMT


Gore-tex, thinsulate socks are available for around $40.
They will keep your feet warm and dry.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:15:39 EDT
From: <U3C@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Nisi..Need Address

Does anyone have the address or phonenumber of Nisi (Carbon fiber
disk wheels) or a Nisi distributor.....thanks....steve u3c@psuvm
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From: mnewton@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: Canada and Sports Eats
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:13:44 GMT

In article <9208132152.AA23390@hplomg.hpl.hp.com>, BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
> Now that all the speculation is over, what was the reason for banning
> imports of Power Bar and other US sports foods from Canada?  If Cytomax
> and Power Bar do not conform to the regulation, what is it that does
> not sit right with the Canadian Food & Drug people?  Let's hear it
> from some Canadians.  ...and let's get specific.  Like the name of the
> ingredient if that is the problem.
> 
> jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

	From what I recall from an interview on CBC's As It Happens the 
problem is that for this sort of product there is not a specific
category that that it can fit into. Its not a candy bar. The
manufacturers registered it as meal replacement even though they know it is 
not.
Now the dept of health think that people might try to live off Power Bars!
Evidently the bars contain a lot of vitamin A and this can be toxic in 
large quantities.

Michael Newton
Grenfell College
Corner Brook
NF
From: kpalm@athena.qualcomm.com (Kent Palm)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Ammonia Smell
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:29:18 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

I experienced that "ammonia" smell this weekend following a hard workout.
What is it from?
From: adamr@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Adam Richman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Which trainer is best?
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:41:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, San Diego

I would like to have your opinions as to which trainer is most 
appropriate for a self-described hammerhead (me).    I did not see 
this topic treated in the latest FAQ posting.  Provide e-mail and I 
will summarize.  A few specific points that I'd like to hear about 
are:

My experience with magnetic resistance is that is not as natural a 
feel, if that's the right word.  But my wind trainer howled like 
something out of Transylvania,  which quite apart from the effect it 
had on others, I found irritating and fatiguing.  I gather there are 
hybrid wind/magnetic devices out there (eg., the Cateye 
Cyclosimulator), but have no experience with them.  Are these 
machines both quiet and a good work out?

I prefer the fork mount versions because I feel they're more stable.  
Are there potential alignment problems thrashing about on a frame 
secured to a trainer?  

What about rollers with fans versus dedicated resistance trainers?  
The roller option is attractive because of its versatility but they 
often look like afterthoughts.   If you like your roller/fan (or mag) 
set-up, let me know, please.

thanks in advance

Adam Richman
arichman@ucsd.edu
From: hanby@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Richard Hanby)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Cause of "cyclist's knee"
Keywords: Injuries
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:40:15 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

Bikers,

I have a problem with "cyclist's knee(s)". 

Despite many positional adjustments, the problem seems to be much
worse when I ride my mtb with toeclips (compared to a racing bike with
Look pedals). The next step is to try putting the Looks onto the mtb -
however, this is guesswork! Can anyone tell me the (likely) cause of 
this ailment?

Please email me with any replies as I don't read the news regularly.
I'll post if the interest is sufficient.

Thanks in advance,
Richard.

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From: skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Descending hills
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:19:48 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore) writes:

>tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402) writes:

>>From article <1992Aug14.102108.8273@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, by ftgcdj@vax.oxford.ac.uk:
>>> I heard a story about a guy in a road race being handed a water bottle full of
>>> lead (Pb) at the start of a long descent. Around 8kg (17.6 lbs) extra!
>>> 
>>I think this was in a TdF of many a year ago (was it Coppi?)  He was given a
>>leadfilled bottle by a "spectator", pretended to drink out of it, and pitched
>>it at the bottom of the descent, to another "spectator."

>>Wish I could remember details...

>>Dave

>>> One way to get your speed up, I suppose!

>er, didnt a geezer called Galileo use the leaning tower of Pisa to
>demonstrate that heavy objects fall at the same speed as light ones?
>(he dropped a cannon ball and a bullet off the top, and they landed
>together. 

>While the accelaration, and speed should be similar, the momentum will
>differ of course,[ momemtum = mass * velocity ]
>but this will not affect the speed directly, apart
>from providing kinetic energy to overcome losses due to friction).

Thanks to Sandy and a rather condescending person for pointing out
that I had neglected air resistance. (So the extra momemtum is used to
overcome air resistance).
From: milts@mse.cse.ogi.edu (Milt Scholl)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: light/battery comparisons?
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:52:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.41686
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering

I use two 3 D cell maglites tie onto the top tube of my mountain 
bike.  With krypton bulbs they are bright and still last at least
4 or more hours on a set of fresh cells.  I tie them on with a
strip of inner tube (the barrels of the maglites are already wrapped
with rubber for padding).  Advantages - no mounting hardware. no
wires.  Maglites are somewhat focusable for distance as well.  I've
riden two years with this setup at night and have yet to break a lamp,
a bike, or myself :')  It gives me enough light to do over 15 mph on
dirt roads in the rain at night.

-milt scholl

From: lesb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Les Brabetz)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:30:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Rollerblading
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

Greetings

   Yes, rec.skate.
From: garyw@hplsla.hp.com (Gary Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Casio Altimeter wristwatch; was Re: Avocet 50 altitude errors
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:44:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplsla.6000027
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA


>Casio sells a wristwatch with a built-in altimeter-baro-depth guage.
>It tracks very closely to the Avocet 50's change in altitudes during a
>ride.  Absolute altitude comparisons depend on each device's
>calibration & current weather conditions (baro pressure) so we don't
>bother comparing those.  So far, the altitude deltas have been pretty
>close on all the day-rides I've done, as long as I remember to record
>them before going indoors or getting into an air conditioned auto. :-)

I friend of mine has a Casio altimeter wristwatch.  On some hikes we have
taken, I have checked a couple of Avocet 50 computers against his Casio,
and both AV50's displayed more compressed altitude readings.  For instance
on last Sunday hike, the AV50 read 5100 ft at the summit, the Casio 5300 ft.
After coming back down the AV50 read 600 ft, while the Casio read 500 ft.

I'm convince, on average, the AV50 give compressed altitude readings between
sea-level and roughly 5000 ft.

Gary Wong
From: tfarring@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mr. A. Pemberton Trammel Snipe-Treadwater IV)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Smoke/Dart, Ground Control
Date: 22 Aug 92 01:55:48 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	So what does net.land think of the Smoke/Dart combo?  What about 
various combinations of the Ground Control, Extreme, More Extreme?

Thanks 

Tim Farrington

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From: dtaylor@milton.u.washington.edu (Dan Taylor)
Subject: Re: MYTH or FACT: Do bicycle helmets wear out from age?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:59:53 GMT

bschwart@gath.cray.com (Robert J. Schwartz) writes:

>In article <1992Aug18.134822.12261@walter.cray.com> I write:

>>Even if you left
>>your helmet sit in the sun, I wouldn't think UV would penetrate deep enough
>>to affect the foam beyond an outer crust.
>>

>I should also mention that I did not take a core sample of the helmet foam.
>I didn't think of it until after garbage day. I'll make a mental note to do
>this in a couple of years when I retire my current helmet, and report then :-)

>Bob Schwartz
>bschwart@cray.com

I would guess that most of the damage done to the helmet with age, is really
do to the oxone oxidation of the polystyrene.  What you need to be able
to do is test to see how much the helmet has oxidized.

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From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Accident on a Bike/Ped Path
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:39:28 GMT

byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes:

>*Everyone* should learn how to turn their head to look
>and ride straight.  It's one of the most important skills
>for safe riding.  It should be practiced frequently and
>whenever safe and practical to do so.

I agree...however, I just don't expect that to happen.
-- 
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From: GE.DWS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Drew W. Saunders)
Subject: Re: follow up on Specialzied Allez Epic and RB-1 bikes...
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:04:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.153008.1521@tamsun.tamu.edu>,
sean@cs.tamu.edu (Sean Graves) writes:
>I am honestly confused about something, and I hope ya'll can explain it to me.
>Why does everyone seem to want fat tires on a road bike?  Did you say that
>you were going to be touring on this bike?  If so, I guess I can understand.
>The reason I am confused is because I use a set of Mavics, with Conti 18mm
>tires for all my road riding.  No problems with flats.  In fact, the previous
>owner of these wheels toured Ireland and Colorado on them.
>
>Some folks might say I am just lucky to not have problems with tires this
>skinny, but I would say luck doesn't run that long.
>
>So, to restate:  Why do you want fat tires on your new road bike?
>--
>Sean

Because I weigh 90kg, and don't want to get pinch flats.  I don't
race, so the slight difference in speed isn't worth the loss of
comfort.  Also, I ride on some dirt roads, so I need a bit more
traction at times.  My Conti Super Sport Ultras (700x25) work just
fine for me.

I'm guessing that it isn't luck, just light weight that may be in
your favor.

You may want to actually measure tires, rather than trust the
manufacturer.  When skinny tires were in, the 23mm wide tires were
labeled as 20, now that the skinny tire fashion is out, the same
tires may be labeled as 23, or even 25.

Drew
From: gmack@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Correct seat height?
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:20:23 GMT
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.

Thus spoke the keyboard of miket@unislc.uucp (Michael Thompson):

>I'm hoping some of you netters may have experienced this same problem
>and can offer suggestions.  I ride a 25 inch hybrid and have the seat
>raised where my leg is at virtually full extension when the pedal is at
>bottom dead center.  This is the general "rule of thumb" I've been
>told at numerous bike shops.  The problem is that while riding I gradually
>slide forward on the saddle.  I don't notice it until I've managed to slip 
>so far forward that I need to reposition myself backwards.  Is this a 
>function of needing to raise the saddle still higher or possably needing
>to reposition the saddle horizontally on the post?  Any help will be
>appreciated.  
>

You should try to change the tilt of the saddle slightly by raising the front just
a few millimeters at a time.  

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