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From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Does Hollywood support black racism?
Date: 7 Oct 1992 18:44:04 -0400
Organization: Berkeley Software Design
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In article <1992Oct7.203948.4074@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> sasha@ldgo.columbia.edu (Alexander Krupitsky) writes:
>I've seen "Boys 'n' Hood" (sp?) last week.
>
>As those who saw it noticed, the father of main hero openly throws
>ridiculous accusations towards white society (liquors are produced to
>cut black people reproductive ability, guns are made for blacks to
>kill each other etc). I've read the director claimed in an interview
>that AIDS virus was produced in order to kill blacks. 
>
>Theoretically anybody can say whatever [s]he wants. In practice not
>everybody is allowed to. I am curious to learn if there was any
>examples of the opposite sort in the recent history of Holywood
>(namely - white guy making racially charged remarks WRT to blacks).

Nope. If some white person will try to publish something like that
the black activists will raise stink up the Heaven. You can make
fun of whites quite safely, though. Hollywood simply sells what
it can sell without being dragged into mess to those who will buy.
Mobster wanna-bes in the inner cities believe the whites put 'em down
and cheerfully pay their money to consume any shit which supports
their beliefs. Capitalism at the work.

I wonder how far "the freedom of artistic expression" can go. I guess
Hitler in person in movie-star disguise would be a big hit nowadays.

--vadim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: olga@cerl.uiuc.edu (Olga Kuznetsov)
Subject: Bachurin (bard/artist) in the US
Organization: UIUC Computer-based Education Research Lab
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:53:49 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: >>CIS on Internet?
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 14:16:41 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.
Keywords: sovok v internete

In article <1992Oct8.012031.2456@marlin.jcu.edu.au> phvas@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Vsevolod A Sukhanovsky) writes:
>
>I found a few more *.su machines with the assigned Internet addresses:                                                                                
Who lost them?

>Vlad>
	-igor
From: vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: death and feminism
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:36:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohstpy.14239.2adc5a9d

In article <84600013@glas.apc.org>, Patricia Schwartz <margaret@glas.apc.org> writes:
 
> BUT on the issue of being dependent - this is a two-way street in
> any relationship. However, in a modern society where the divorce
> rate is bound to be high because life in general is faster and
> relationships don't keep up with people in them, I think it is
> dangerous for a woman to be 100% financially dependent on a man.
 
  Agree. But Russia is (and will be) a little bit different from
the classical modern society.(At least I think so). During last
70 years , as you know, there was no unemployment in Russia. Almost
every citizen worked. But that did not necessarily mean that everybody
pursued some career. Now the situation is changing. I noticed that
the modern russian girls (among my [and my wife's] friends)
wold chose that dangerous dependence on a husband,than the hassle
(sometimes also dangerous)connected with pursuing career in postcommy Russia.
Again I want to point that I am talking about RUSSIANS (not other
nationalities living in Russia who may have different cultures)
   
> Many of my friends wound up in this situation: he asks her to
> not owrk and stay home with kids. She agrees. In a few years
> he starts falling in love with woman, CAREER woman, usually in
> his same office even, because in general people who work out
> in the world have more to discuss than people who only cook
> and babysit. 
> Since she didn't work for all those years, when he divorces her to
> marry the career woman who fascinates him more, she winds up
> practically in poverty, with children, while her ex-husband
> is now in a two-income family without kids (except weekends
> and holidays when his kids come to visit, unless his new wife
> can't be bothered.)

  There are such cases in Russia too,though more seldom.
I do not believe the M.Verbitskiy's statistics that Russia has the
biggest rate of divorces. There are many of them but not most of all.
And the reason that a man fell in love with a CAREER woman is not
the main reason.
   
> What to do? Women - depend on men if you want to, but don't
> give up job skills and career experience, because almost
> nobody can live up to this promise of "till death do us part."
> Eventually you will be alone with the want-ads in your hand
> wondering how to make a living by yourself! 
> (Well, that's not a wish, I wish love always lasted forever,
> but very often it doesn't.)

  I totally agree with that. 
> m

  Vadim.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich)
Subject: Re: Liberal Moscow daily attacked by fascist group (UPI)
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
	<1992Oct13.190035.16831@watson.ibm.com>
	<1992Oct13.174404.1@acad3.alaska.edu>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 06:10:00 GMT

>>	blizorukie borzopistsy, schebchuschie o tsvetax i morozhennom...

>>				 and so on. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

>Now I'm also going to demonstrate the chronic absence of political correctness.
>To my mind as a reader it was much more interesting to learn about noticeable
>changes in people's spirit and their ability to find something attractive to
>wear. The minor political episod opposed to it is nothing but desperate attempt
>of both sides to attract some more attention. Sort of political advertisement.
>It is a boring habit now for all "parties" accounting up to 50 members to make
>some noise. The fact that Pamyat' has 5,000 or even 50,000 followers changes 
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>nothing. The times when any demonstrations allowed by Central Committee and 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>organized by KGB really meant changes (or their absence) has passed. This is
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>just information for these who didn't notice it and continue to apply ten
>years' old standards. IRA activity in London is criminal chronicle and nothing
>more. Why one must pay more attention to similar level events in Moscow?   

Well, do you remember ( I mean, have you heard and remember ) how the
Nazi came to power in Germany? Everybody was laughing at them till
they actually seized the power and began to rule the country. And then
- "nikto i ne piknul" (in English, anybody?). Well, there were some
anty-facists there, but _they_ didn't change anything. And the example
of IRA doesn't prove anything: Britain is the country where democracy
has won long ago (though not formally :-), and Russia is just a
country with a suitable place for the next, new Reich to grow roots,
and who would have thought? Of course, I am no Kassandra, but I think
that such facist organizations as Pamyat' deserve a much closer
attention than you suggest they do. As Mike Ratner put it (in
different context, though), "better safe than sorry".

>   -Serega, AK

--Igor
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich)
Subject: Re: Movies
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:36:27 GMT

In article <9210112313.AA03635@feds66.Prime.COM> dleschin@FEDS66.PRIME.COM ("", Dmitri Leschiner) writes:

(About Paradjanov - quote deleted)

>  His best works, IMO, are his two first films: "Teni zabytyx predkov"
>  "Ghosts of forgotten ancestors"] (together with I.Il'enko), made in Kiev
>  in 1960-ies, and "Tsvet granata" ["Color of granate"], made in Erevan
>  in early 1970-ies, especially the former one. Both vere made before his
>  imprisonment (in charge with homosexualism - which was punishable in USSR -
>  but actually in connection with some political squabbles in where he lived
>  then (was he arrested in Armenia? or was it Georgia already?), the exact
>  nature of those is unknown to me).

Which one of those won the first prize in Kanns (sp) { Kanny} ?

>  Exellent films were made in Georgia by Iosseliani: "Zhil pevchij drozd"
>  ["Robin the singer lived" ? - how to translate?] (his best film, IMO),
>  "Listopad" ["Leaffall"], "Pastorale". Also "Mol'ba" ["Pray for mercy"(?)]
>  by Abuladze is very powerful; other films of him: "Tree of desire" and
>  "Repentance" are not really good, IMO.

>  Dmitry

--Igor
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: buka@next18pg2.wam.umd.edu (Victoria Leykin)
Subject: New in MD
Reply-To: buka@wam.umd.edu
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:40:15 GMT


Hello,

I am new to the Washington DC area and am interested in speaking with  
others from the Russia. Please reply to me if you are in this area and  
share similar desires.

Buka
From: margaret@glas.apc.org (Patricia Schwartz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Shto delat' ?
Date: 17 Oct 92 06:34:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:glas:84600023:000:2032
Nf-From: glas.UUCP!margaret    Oct 17 00:34:00 1992


This is an insane situation. How can it be? What to do?
 
Today I visited the Tsentralny Market and got butter, cheese
and honey. The butter was fresher that any butter I have ever tasted.
The cheese is also good. But the honey - this honey was hardly
distinguishable from the finest French honey from the lavender fields
in Grasse, my most irrestistable delicacy at home in the gourmet shops
of Los Angeles. Creamy rich white honey with such a flavor that you
can almost still smell the flowers in the sun and hear the bees.
 
Honey so good that I wanted to meet these bees personally and have them
autograph the jar.
 
And for roubles, at embarassing prices. Embarassing for me because by my
standards from home, I was stealing these things from these market
women. And embarassing for me because these are very expensive at Russian
salaries. Not beyond imagination, but beyond everyday common sense.
 
A few weeks ago we went to VDNKh, where I saw some man giving rides to 
children on a horse. 
 
But what a horse!
 
This was the horse on the front of the lacquer box, with delicately
flaring nostrils, curled tail, prancing on the clouds, pulling a
chariot with a beautiful tsarita with long wavy hair and dressed in
gold embroidery. This horse is the dream of an artist who worships
physical perfection endowed with a magic presence, a spirit of
possibility. This horse could turn into a prince at any moment,
and take the tsaritsa away to his palace in the sky.
 
And yet, here he was, being trotted around the sad and dirty exhibition
area, careful not to step on Marlboro boxes or ice cream wrappers
left on the ground, doing his time like any other highly talented
but underappreciated citizen of the former Soviet power, maybe hoping to
emigrate someday.
 
Such wealth in this country....where did it go? 
How can we have here, in complete coexistance,
a rich fairytale land of resources beyond imagination, and the
gastronom on my street, grey and dimly lit, with just one brand
of everything, if they have it at all?
m
From: alpet@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alex Petrushko)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Russian Rock
Date: 8 Oct 1992 18:13:45 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

In article <IGOR.92Oct7192627@krishna.cs.columbia.edu> igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich) writes:
>In article <1992Oct06.203954.109137@watson.ibm.com> galina@watson.ibm.com (Galina Kofman)_ writes:
>
>>   In  <97767@bu.edu>  gdr@csa.bu.edu (dmitry goldenberg) writes:
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >    What I'm getting at is that Yuri Naumov, the Apostle of Heavy Blues, the
>>  > Russian underground guitar guru, is living now in New York.  He and his wife
>>  >
>>  >    So, you may be wondering what he is actually doing now?  Gigging in clubs in
>>  > Greenwich Village
>
>>  Which clubs?
>
>He usually performs in Speakeasy (McDougal st (?)), or in Sun Mountain Cafe
>on W. 3rd st. If anybody is interested, mail me and I will keep you posted 
>on the dates and times.
>
>--Igor

Along the same lines... Aguzarova performs in Black Sea restaraunt in L.A.
I don't have dates, since she never advertises the shows but you can find
the address of the restaraunt in Russian immigrant newspaper Panorama, and
ask there.




  
















		     Alex.
From: jaap@alice.att.com (jaap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: CIS on Internet?
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:51:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23897
Reply-To: jaap@alice.UUCP ()
Organization: AT&T, Bell Labs

In article <1992Oct14.123841.1409@msus1.msus.edu> john@msus1.msus.edu writes:
 > 
 > How does Email make it through to CIS?
 > 

Over a wire. Or was there something more specific you want to know?

	jaap
From: belyaev@eldpa.epfl.ch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Russian folk songs (WANTED)
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:18:01 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

Hi,
I will be very happy if somebody send me the words of the russian folk
songs (pusskie narodnie) (if possible with english translation).
Thank you in advance.
Yourii Belyaev.
P.S. Please, use my personal e-mail address for reply
belyaev@eldp.epfl.ch
From: gorokho1@husc10.harvard.edu (Zhenya Gorokhovsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: One God in Ukrainian Spy satellites
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:13:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Physicists for Poetry
In-reply-to: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu's message of 10 Oct 92 00:28:03 EDT

zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
[selected quotes from my articles intermingled with Michael's
generous praise deleted]

>DL:
>>Zhenya, could you please shut up your ..ck-sucking hole, no matter
>>what real topic is, just shut it up, you dandruff-ridden kike?
>>Just very personal, kind request, shut up. Please.

It is painfully obvious from your 'very personal, kind request', 
that you have no clue whatsoever about modern methods of
fool entrapment. 

> I hereby encourage little Zhenya to keep his "..ck-sucking hole" open as wide
> as he can, no matter what the real topic might be.  His patience is
> bound to be rewarded.
> cordially, mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu 
>>Shalom, Dima Leshchiner dleschin@feds66.prime.com

B'Shalom,
Ze'ev ben Anshel of Harvard (ZABAH)
gorokho1@husc.harvard.edu

	Keeping it open is its own reward.
						_A Roommate of Mine_
From: vib@fns-nc1.fns.com (Victor Bur)
Subject: Re: mail ( OTBET COBKA! )
Organization: Fujitsu Network Switching
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 03:04:42 GMT

In article <LEONID.92Oct6113405@tuna.uchicago.edu> leonid@tuna.uchicago.edu (Leonid Andreev) writes:
>Victor Bur writes:


>i *did not* want to make you think I really spell correctly
>all the time; As well as I *don't* wear tie all the time.
>it was a *joke*, you know? I was kidding at all these
>people down here, who argued ( during the whole fuckin'
>month ) 'bout whether it is obligatory for Russian Intelligent
>to spell correctly  or not ( apparently, there's not a 
>single `intelligent' among them whose spelling would
>be really correct ). I was kidding at myself. And off 
>course, I was kidding at all the assholes like you,
>who get the joke only if they see six thousand :-)'s 
>around it.
>
>See ya around.
>--


Kidding... kidding... kidding...
I don't think so.  I think you just fucked up.

Best regards.
Victor
From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Men'sheviks (was: America that bad?)
Date: 16 Oct 1992 15:49:20 -0400
Organization: Berkeley Software Design
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

>margaret, menshevik

Men'sheviks were a piece of s*t, too. It's a quirk of history
that bol'sheviks (which were minority in RSDRP) took over.
Their agendas weren't too different, though, and denouncing
men'sheviks loudly the bol'shevik government silently adopted
lots of their "ideas".

--vadim
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: galina@watson.ibm.com (Galina Kofman)_
Subject: Re: Amer/Rus movies
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 18:59:40 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.11 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: galina@watson.ibm.com (Galina Kofman)_
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

How good/bad "Adam's Rib"?
From: muh@physics10 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Liberal Moscow daily attacked by fascist group (UPI)
Date: 14 Oct 1992 05:28:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics10.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct13.174404.1@acad3.alaska.edu> ftsam@acad3.alaska.edu (Sergei Maurits) writes:
>
>years' old standards. IRA activity in London is criminal chronicle and nothing
>more. Why one must pay more attention to similar level events in Moscow?   

Does London police also arrive 40 minutes after accident?

>
>IMHO, the real topic in Russia now is a mood of silent majority. Patricia has
>a gut feeling for it, that proves she has much more understanding of Russia
>than some tasters' of Russian culture from this group. 

Well, her article was interesting, and is conformed but some others, but
I'm still not sure it reflect mood of silent majority. I do not think two
years ago many people looked at foreighers with hartred. Maybe some
"starprep's"? But on average? 

Yury 

>
>I am glad she is back!
>
>
>-Serega, AK
>
From: rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Does Hollywood support black racism?
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:53:14 GMT
Organization: ucsd
NNTP-Posting-Host: lutherlab.ucsd.edu

>In article <rabjab.14.718496479@golem.ucsd.edu> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof) writes:

>>  >I am curious to learn if there was any
>>  >examples of the opposite sort in the recent history of Holywood
>>  >(namely - white guy making racially charged remarks WRT to blacks).

>>  >One example: "Glory", an historical film about a black regiment in
>>  >the American Civil War.

igor@cs.columbia.edu:

>I didn't see the "Glory", but the guy who made this kind of a remark
>must have been a "bad guy", am I wrong?

"Glory" is now out in video (try to get the letterbox version), and
is a true story about the formation of Black units in the Army of the
North.  Actually almost all the negative comments directed at the Blacks were
made by other Northerners who were frankly surprised at the concept.  The 
climax of the film depicts a hopeless charge against a Southern stronghold 
by a particular Black unit, whose commander was the son of a famous 
abolishonist, and who was driven to produce of his company a strong and 
effective fighting force, not one that would be the object of ridicule.
Other Black units were depicted as being somewhat misled and
exploited by their respective commanders.  Blacks were also not paid
as much or offered equivalent equipment to other soldiers, at first.

Jeff Bytof
rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: sasha@ldgo.columbia.edu (Alexander Krupitsky)
Subject: Can white men jump?
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:22:06 GMT

		Ladies, gentlemen and others!

I really regret that discussion of racial issue immediately turned
into offensive exchange (on the other hand it happens in almost every
discussion). Why don't we try to go back to civilized discussion?

(Perhaps this newsgroup was initially designed to discuss Soviet
culture. But it's also interesting to discuss our x-soviet subculture
in America. As racism among x-soviets is extremely widespread, I think
it's a relevant topic for our forum; such a discussion could help us
understand ourselves and each other.)

Despite numerous requests, those who accused Vadim of being racist
failed to substantiate their accusations. I have a feeling that it was
a suggestion about (unquote) black activists to stink to heaven or
smth like that. Since this statement remained uncontested, I believe
everybody's agree that it's true. Thus, to think so is OK, to speak it
up means to be racist, close-minded etc., right?

Now let me disclose myself: I am a racist (it's a terrible word, but
somebody will be calling names anyway so I prefer to cut this
fruitless branch of discussion out). I don't believe that all
races are made equal. Such a claim is not easy to prove, but
fortunately I can give an example because there is sport which is
quantifiable. Everybody know that black people run 100m faster than
white people. I believe they are genetically better in this respect. I
just fail to see any other explanation. (One can argue that blacks
have more powerful incentive to make money in sport, but we are
talking about millions dollars these days - such money are equally
attractive for people of any race.) Alternatively, one can look at NBA
basketball (just consider black contribution to the Dream Team
victory) or at heavyweight boxing (the last white champ was Marchiano
more than 30 years ago). I hope I have some point here. In a sense,
white people can't jump. Those who don't buy this argument, please hit
<n> (I borrow Sasha KOstomaroff's approach). That'll help to save
flames.

If one admits that races are not equal in some respect, why accept the
idea that they are equal in everything else? Maybe whites are
genetically more capable in something else? I am not saying that one
or another race should be discriminated because it's superior or
inferior in some respect. I am just curious why some people are so
obsessed with this idea of universal equality of all races?

A little side point. Many participants of this group are Jewish (and
this paragraph is addressed to them). I'll take a risk to guess that
most of them, even though aren't religious themselves, pay due respect
to their ancestor's religion and even observe high holidays. Don't you
think that the whole concept of "chosen people" is racist?



			Sasha

P.S. Please flame to alt.go.fuck.yourself.