From: 5ea8manchest@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Good vs. Bad Mellower Music
Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:22:30 GMT
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In article <1993Jan27.094311.999@nntp.hut.fi>, m38853v@saha.hut.fi (Matti Varis) writes:
>In article <0096725C.AE804D00@vms.csd.mu.edu> 5ea8manchest@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>>It has come to my attention that many people who like glam "metal" bands and
>>the like (such as this Bon Jovi is as good as Sabbath character) think that
>>true head-bangers can only appreciate music that is monotonously heavy and
>>loud.  This is often not true.  Bands like Bon Jovi aren't crap because
>>they're mellower, but because they lack innovation, creativity, and passion. . .  they are, in a word, commercialized generic crap. this obviously also
>>applies to Warrant, Skid Row, Ugly Kid Joe, and other countless obvious
>>others. On the other hand, a lot of DM is also uninteresting and generic
>>in its own way; about 80% of it is not worth listening to, though if forced
>>I'd rather listen to it than glam stuff.  Anyway, just to prove that
>>true headbangers who are into kick-ass stuff like Entombed, old >Trouble,
>>Helmet, Cathedral, old Black Sabbath, Black Flag, etc. do not pan
>>everything simply for being non face-smashing, here is a list of groups
>>who are not mind-numbing DM but are still worthy of respect:
>>King's X, Masters of Reality, Thin Lizzy, old Bad Company, mellower Zep
>>and Deep Purple, some Golden earring, Pink Floyd, Cream and Clapton,
>>old ted Nugent, BOC (some of it, anyway), Steppenwolf, 24-7 Spyz (though
>>some of it is near face-smashing), King Crimson (if one considers thyem rock),
>>old Rush, The Call (I'm sure I'll hear it for this one<), UFO, some old
>>Christian rock like old Jerusalem (e.g. Volume II and Warrior) and most
>>Rez Band stuff (though some of their material is admittedly crappy),
>>Hawkwind, and Queen.  These bands could qualify as lighter heavy metal, 
>>but they are not glam and therefore even people who do not like them will
>>not criticze them with any regularity for being "poser," "sell-outs," or
>>the like.  They play with passion and creativity, and this is why they
>>are commendable.  This cannot be said for Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, and
>>the like.  (Let me add old Yes and old Kansas, along with rainbow, to my
>>"respected" list).  Eric M.  I would like to get some responses on this.
>
>Yeah! I totally agree with you! (With the exception of Skid Row being 
>commercialized generic crap. Perhaps they're not very original, but they
>surely got some musical talent and passion. There are still countless
>others in the same category with Bon Jovi.) And I have few additions
>on the "respected" list: old Jethro Tull and Uriah Heep, The Who,
>Jimi Hendrix, Neil Young, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Blackfoot, old Fleetwood Mac 
>and Aerosimth. 
>These are all bands who have been at their best in between a time period
>from late sixties to early eighties, when hard rock and metal were born.
>There are also many bands I respect who have dominated earlier than that, 
>but who are not really even hard rock, so I left them out.
>
>I've also noticed that there are people who consider themselves as true 
>headbangers, who only listen to headbanging music. Even if it's absolute 
>crap, but it's heavy and loud, they seem to be liking it. And they ignore 
>all non-metal music (even those "respected" bands) only because it 
>simply is not metal.
>Of course this is only a matter of opinion, you should listen to
>anything you like. But I don't see very much difference between these 
>headbangers and those disco-poppers who listen to top-20 crap, only because
>everybody else seems to be listening to it.
>
>The above is of course all IMHO, so try avoid flaming, but feel free to
>comment.
>
>.
>
>Matti K. Varis, m38853v@saha.hut.fi, Helsinki University Of Technology, Finland
>
>Frozen world outside, Made by Foolish pride 
>(Armored Saint/Aftermath)
I should be ashamed for leaving off Hendrix. . .  I basically agree with
your other additions to my "respected" list (although I never meant to limit
it to those bands listed).  Anyway, it was really a kick to see someone
mention Blackfoot. . .  I always thought that they were decent straight-ahead
hard rock.  I also agree that many DM er's lack any sort of refinement in
distinguishing between good and generic DM; however, I've found that these
people (usually of younger age) can be brought around to appreciating
these "respected" bands (or many of them, anyway) once they realize people
like me really like some of the stuff they're into, and once they learn
to look for the common denominators (both stylistically and emotionally)
linking these "respected" bands to the better Dm.  Eric M.