HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: USENET Top 25 Team Name Update!!!
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:21:47 GMT

In article <1dser2INNe8b@agate.berkeley.edu> sherw@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gregory  
Sherwin) writes:

> Yawn yawn yawn.  Yes (*sigh*) I've been to Duke.  In fact I lived 3 blocks
> from it off of Moreene Road near the Duke Sheraton from Jan '91 -
> June '91, 1/2 block from the Duke Forest.

Wow, you were there for a whole 6 months.  Sounds like an authority.
Did you know that during your time there the Duke student body
president was a black student?  I guess she was the other 20% of
the black students on campus, in your opinion.  I wonder how Duke
could have had a black walk-on basketbal player this fall?  He 
must have come from NC Central.

None of the students I hung out with there ever had the impression
of the place that you had (and, yes, I'm referring to friends that
were of many races, including blacks and Asians).

Perhaps you had some bad experience on campus that resulted in your
being pissed off, but even if that was so, bringing up David Duke
(who used royal blue and white "Duke" signs in his campaign, despite
protests by and at the University, a good distance from La.) is neither
appropriate nor humorous.  There are certainly racist rednecks in North
Carolina, and some certainly at Duke, but I'd say the percentage is
orders of magnitude lower on the latter.

> and she got me into Cameron to watch the '91 Final on the big screen with
> all the army of white-bread-wonders in there.

Again, your experience overwhelms me.  I'm sure you didn't poll that group
to see what percentage of them were undergrads, and weren't around for the
freshman orientation speech in that same building by Jesse Jackson about 
18 months before.  Sounds pretty Wonder Bread to me.


> Fuck off, dickhead.  I know what I've seen -and I speak the truth,
> asshole.

> greg "tired of shithead mouthbreathers who think they always know more
> than you do" sherwin

Yeah, I can tell you're really an expert on the issue, and can
deal effectively with George by throwing profanity in his face.
It's always a joy to see people expressing their views in a
rational way.  I can see you have it all figured out.

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From: nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan)
Subject: Re: Dale Brown suspends two
Organization: ^$
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:28:12 GMT

In article <BxMK0u.2J@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
>
>>LSU's Dale Brown has suspended the starting backcourt of LSU, Maurice 
>>Williamson and Jamie Brandon for the fall semester.  He cited "academic
>>irresponsibility".  The fall semester at LSU ends in mid-December, so they
>>will miss only four games against creampuffs if they do come back.  In fact,
>>they could play at the Maui Invitational December 21, if allowed back on the
>>team.
>
>	Why don't these 2 jokers just go ahead and go pro?  It's not
>	like either of them haven't had their academic difficultes --
>	both being Prop 48 students coming into college, and Williamson
>	a redshirt 2 years ago because of academics.  This doesn't surprise
>	me one bit.  Looks like if these guys don't come back, the Tigers
>	are stuck with a starting lineup of Mike Hansen (not bad, considering
>	he was the starter 2 years ago) and Paul Marshall (who was pretty
>	solid down the stretch last season).  

    Both Williamson and Brandon are academically eligible and are practicing
   with the team. Apparently, both have borderline grades and Dale is making
   sure they're eligible for the winter semester.


>	But I'm sure Dale is waiting on Randy and Ronnie...

   So are a `few' other people.

>
>	Jazzy J
> 
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From: plaul@engr.latech.edu (Pummy Laul)
Subject: Re: Referendum on Jayhawk Postings
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:48:26 GMT

Michael Robert O'Rourke (moro@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
: 
: While I am certainly biased in this case, I see no problem with Mary's
: articles.  She doesn't flood the net with them, and the 11 or so she
: has posted have been reasonably brief.  Furthermore, they are
: informative and interesting, which is more than can be said for many
: of the articles that are posted to this newsgroup. It is true that the
: postings are of particular interest to Jayhawk fans; however, since
: the `hawks are a legitimate national power, the postings are probably
: read by basketball fans who do not root for KU.  And for those who
: find it annoying that KU fans have a selfless comrade willing to
: update them on a regular basis, learn how to create a kill file.
: 
: It seems to me that if Mary wants to create a mailing list, that's
: fine.  But if she wants to continue to post the articles to r.s.bb.c,
: then she is well within her rights to do so. 
: 
: Michael O'Rourke
: orourke@csli.stanford.edu

I agree with Michael 100 percent.  

I am a Jayhawk fan going to school in Louisiana.  I dont get any Jayhawk news 
down here and I look forward to Mary's postings.  That is the only way I get 
info about the Jayhawks.

If you do not want to read these articles, skip to the next one or have an author kill.  Nobody is forcing you to read these articles in the first place.  I dont see why you have to make a fuss about them.

Pummy laul
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Polls, polls, polls
Organization: American Math. Society
	<1992Nov10.185045.4462@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>
	<BxIrLL.F6r@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:24:50 GMT

In article <BxIrLL.F6r@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:

	   >But of these 4 players, Harrington comes in as a fairly refined
	   >player, and should fit in right away in G-town's system.  Look
	   >for him to definitely make an impact, especially on the boards.

But everyone knows that freshman never make an impact.  They need
seasoning and exposure to the higher level of play in the college
game.  Bobby Knight would turn over in his, er, grave if he read this
thread.  To say that Georgetown will be better because of some
freshman is completely and utterly absurd.  For instance, my favorite
team, Michigan, has never, er, um, never mind.


-Alan Harder
 
These opinions are mine.  You can't have them.  Stop, thief!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: grimlok@hubcap.clemson.edu (Mike Percy)
Subject: Re: 30 sec. clock, 6 fouls, 128 team tourny.
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:53:35 GMT

oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:

>In article <1992Nov13.191512.26868@hubcap.clemson.edu>  
>grimlok@hubcap.clemson.edu (Mike Percy) writes:
> [move line to i'tal distance]
>> 
>> Agree.  When the rate is about 33%, it's too close.

>I kinda like the line where it is - more excitement, and more 
>perimeter defense.
 
Sure, it's fun and can turn a game around in a hurry, butit's simply to
damn easy for these guys -- it's the same distance it was in high school!
And many (a whole lot) of the 3s I see every year are from 1 or two
steps back anyway.  They can hit it from the i'tal distance pretty well
already -- moving the line would make it a "risky" shot.  Hell, even
Clemson's centers shoot threes occasionally (Horace Grant was 1-2 career
3s at Clemson).  Clemson's current center won the 3-point contest at the
McD's All-American game, and at least once a game stands at the top of
the key eyeing the hoop but thinks better of it.  I suspect he'll take a
few of these this year  thin out the paint.

Mike Percy             | grimlok@hubcap.clemson.edu  | I don't know about
Sr. Systems Analyst    | mspercy@clemson.clemson.edu | your brain, but mine
Info. Sys. Development | mspercy@clemson.BITNET      | is really...bossy.
Clemson University     | (803) 656-3780              | (Laurie Anderson)
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Polls, polls, polls
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:09:03 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC


The McNews/CNN Preseason Top 25:

1. Michigan (17)	814	14. Tulane		263
2. Duke (8)		796     15. Georgia Tech        255
3. Indiana (1)		773     16. Oklahoma		216
4. Kansas (6)		757     17. UCLA!!!		207
5. Kentucky 		686     18. Cincinnati		205
6. Seton Hall (2)	674     18. Texas		205
7. UNC-Curtis Hill	645     20. UConn		194
8. Florida State	552     21. Michigan State	172
9. Memphis State	529     22. Nebraska		161
10. Arizona		361     23. UNLV		155
11. Georgetown		360     24. Iowa State		138
12. Louisville		319     25. New Mexico State	103
13. Iowa		286

Others: tOSU 93, Illinois 87, UNC-Charlotte Rae 83, UMASS!!! 80, Arkansas 77,
BYU 69, Purdue 67, Alabama 65, Wake Forest 64, Florida 63, Mizzou 59, 
Auburn 56, Temple 46, Cal 44, Tennessee 43, Georgia 40, Boston College 33,
Arizona State-DDD 27, Evansville 23, Southern Illinois 20, UTEP 16, LSU 13,
Western Kentucky 13, OK State 12, Virginia 12, Houston 11, New Orleans 11,
James Madison 8, Tenn-Chatt 7, Idaho 5, Long Beach State 5, Utah 5, 
Marquette 4, USCal 4, George Wash. 2, Pepperdine 2, SW Louisiana 2, Xavier 2,
DePaul 1
  I think Georgetown, Louisville and UCLA are ranked too high; and Wake,
Florida, Boston College and especially Utah are ranked too low.

Jeff Sagarin's Preseason Top 25:

1. Indiana		96.26	14. Michigan		88.70
2. Duke 		95.55	15. Cincinnati		88.46
3. Kansas		95.26	16. Mizzou		88.43
4. Arizona		93.35	17. Michigan State	87.86	
5. UNLV			91.94	18. Georgia Tech	87.74
6. Ohio State		91.81	19. UConn		87.05
7. Arkansas		90.98	20. St. John's		86.04
8. Oklahoma		90.91	21. Iowa		85.99
9. Oklahoma St		89.82	22. Georgetown		85.86
10. UCLA!!!		89.61	23. Alabama		85.68
11. UNC			89.25	24. UMASS!!!		85.63
12. Kentucky		89.10	25. Stanford		85.61
13. LSU			88.91

I assume this poll is based on last season's performances, because that's the 
only way it makes any sense.

Lastly, Sheridan's odds against winning the NC this year:

Michigan 4:1; Duke 4:1; Indiana 5:1; Kansas 6:1; Kentucky 6:1; UNC 8:1; 
FSU 10:1; Arizona 12:1; Cincinnati 12:1; Memphis State 15:1; Louisville 15:1;
Seton Hall 18:1; Georgetown 18:1; tOSU 20:1; Iowa 20:1; UCLA!!! 25:1; UNLV 25:1
Oklahoma 30:1; Arkansas 35:1; UConn 40:1; Texas 50:1; Tulane 50:1; Mich St 60:1
LSU 75:1; Alabama 75:1; OK St 75:1; Mizzou 80:1; St. John's 80:1; Ga Tech 90:1;
UMASS!!! 100:1; Field 12:1 

	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Next to Keith Richards, Sacramento looks great."--Pete Vecsey, on the Kings'
  chances this year.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: n9ljx@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott A Stembaugh)
Subject: Re: Referendum on Jayhawk Postings
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 01:58:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.212643.16782@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>
>There are also mailing lists for Kentucky and Indiana, so don't be the
>only Final Four team this year to be without one :)  
>
>
>Orin

Who maintains the IU list? 


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Subject: Re: First Anti-CBS comment of the season (was: Re: Pac-10 Expansion)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<XJAM.92Nov4112414@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU>
	<OLIVER.92Nov5203910@coate.mit.edu> <1992Nov6.181254.15973@octel.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:40:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.181254.15973@octel.com> keithp@octel.com (Keith Perrin) wrote:
>>As anyone who reads this group knows, flailing about seems to be all
>>there is to do in Arizona.

> Another east coast BUTTHEAD (Not to say that you all are).

Watch who you call an east-coaster, son.  Also, be careful you don't smack
yourself upside the head from all that flailing.



--
____________________________
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	oliver@athena.mit.edu /	joliver@hstbme.mit.edu
	oliver%mitwccf.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
From: markts@mcl.ucsb.edu (mark.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: 30 sec. clock, 6 fouls, 128 team tourny.
Date: 12 Nov 92 06:30:38 GMT


 personally i'd like an 80 team tournament.
 top 12 in each section get byes.
 128 teams might make it kinda dull on announcement
 day: plenty of .500 teams going to the dance.

 the 30 second clock has made the women's game 
 much more exciting. 
 but i like the 45, it gives good defensive teams
 a decent chance.

 6 fouls? did not seem to make the big east games
 any more exciting.

 3-point line. this is the rule most likely to
 change. international distance would be a good
 extension.

 mark.

 mst3k is all i have to say.
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: McInnes and Stackhouse and another Carolina recruit!
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:46:42 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <matthew.721679014@base.cs.ucla.edu> matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
>  Marion Jones of Thousand Oaks High, a national-class sprinter and a standout
>  basketball player, has signed a national letter of intent to do both at North
>  Carolina.
>
>Not to be ignorant, but is this is a man or a woman?  Is Pat on the net to
>answer this one?

Jones is a young woman. She dominated the sprints in California High School
the last few years and made the Olympic Team in Barcelona. She was on one of\
the relay teams as an alternate I think. She is running near world class 
times in both the 100 and 200. 

I do not know how good of a basketball player she is.

Man even the top women athletes are leaving Southern California these
days, just when it looked like they were keeping them at home they
start losing them again.




Russ Smith
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From: born@scepter.raleigh.ibm.com
Subject: Re: recruiting news
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 13:40:39 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14g by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: born@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In <17240@borg.cs.unc.edu> harrison@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (David Harrison) writes:
>For those fans of Carolina bball, I am hearing reports that J. McInnes has
>committed verbally to attend school at Carolina. I don't think this a surprise
>for most of us, but you can't always depend on rumors during recruiting. 
>Just imagine Stackhouse, McInnes, Montross, Phelps, and Williams/Davis at their
>full potential on the court at the same time!!!
>I will postmore details when I get them.
>harrison@cs.unc.edu......I supplied screwdrivers to Curtis while he was here.
>

They may all end up on the same team, but, unfortunately, as fans of Carolina
ball should know, they may never play on the court together except during
practice. :)

Christopher J. Born
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III)
Subject: Re: First Anti-CBS comment of the season (was: Re: Pac-10 Expansion)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1992Nov4.164318.20767@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>
	<XJAM.92Nov4112414@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:39:19 GMT

In article <XJAM.92Nov4112414@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU> xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer) wrote:
> You sir, obviously did not have to suffer the agony of the !!PAC-10!!
> tournament. 10 teams in, what was it the middle of Arizona, flailing about
> hopelessly. 

As anyone who reads this group knows, flailing about seems to be all
there is to do in Arizona.

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From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Worst ACC Refs:  You damn rooks - by Curtis Hill
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:29:46 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <1992Nov13.153407.6935@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>
>Don't forget the little kiddies kicking each other, too!  That's
>what I remember about junior soccer - getting kicked a lot.  Made
>me feel like Timberlake.

Except how many of the little kiddies playing soccer got yellow or 
red cards?

After all, Laettner got the equivalent of a yellow for his deed
against "Aminu Acid" Timberlake.

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From: durway@mpd.tandem.com (Lindsey Durway)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: On-line Duke Schedule?
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:57:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: devnull.2878
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.

Does anyone out there have an on-line Duke schedule they can
mail me?  I've just moved to Texas from Durham, the NCAA
Center of the Universe, and I can't seem to find a Duke
basketball schedule down here among all these UT football
drones.

Thanks,
Lindsey

-- 
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I'm not deaf--I'm ignoring you.
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: ACC Early Departures
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:53:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxAxHx.L9z
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
>NC State: Charles Shackleford (Jr, 1988); Chris Washburn (So, 1986);
> Kenny Carr (Jr, 1977)

	I could have sworn Kenny Drummond went pro early.  I'm not sure
	if he counted because he quit the team first, then declared \	
	himself eligible.  What about his one?

	Jazzy J
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re:  Worst Ref
Followup-To: alt.licker.store
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:36:27 GMT

In article <10NOV199208302267@cc.utah.edu> ewstroup@cc.utah.edu (ERIC W.  
STROUP) writes:
> After suffering through many years with the Lenny "IhateState' Wurtz (Just
> how do you spell this guys name anyway - SATAN).  I have come out to the
> land of the WAC and find several 'Lenny-wanna-be's'.  The most annoying is
> Moose Stubbing.  He looks like Homer Simpson.  He is of course a favorite
> target of student humor.

Yeah, I'm going out for some moose stubbing tonight.  Ouch.

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From: grubin@virga.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Subject: Re: First Anti-CBS comment of the season (was: Re: Pac-10 Expansion)
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: Research Applications Program/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:29:12 GMT



keithp@octel.com (Keith Perrin) writes:
>oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III) writes:
>>As anyone who reads this group knows, flailing about seems to be all
>>there is to do in Arizona.

>Another east coast BUTTHEAD (Not to say that you all are).

Hey, until you post something intelligent and related to either basketball
or the humour many here find in posting about it, shut the fuck up.  Get it?


--
Rick Grubin     grubin@ncar.ucar.edu
From: brawn@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Andy Brawn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: McKinnis (sp.?)
Keywords: UNC
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:56:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: borg.17237
Distribution: na

Haven't seen this yet so I guess I'll take the honor.

Jeff McKinnis (sp.?) 6'4" point guard out of Oak Hill academy to no
one's surprise has committed to UNC.  He will not know until this Friday
if he has made his 700.  His Coach seemed confident that he has since
he is and honor roll student for last semester.

The article from the local rag spent most of the time discussing his
nickname "Touche the Turtle" for the cartoon character.  There was
speculation on whether (or not) Dean Smith would call him Touche.

McKinnis' statements seem to suggest that he won't mind playing behind
Phelps as a Freshman but that remains to be seen.

Waiting on a power forward,

--Andy Brawn
  Go Heels!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: ags@seaman.cc.purdue.edu (Dave Seaman)
Subject: Re: Ted Kitchell
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:06:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.162836.15446@doug.cae.wisc.edu>  
saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
> In article <1992Nov5.113019.2942@hemlock.cray.com> jeffy@cray.com  
(Jeffrey Neau) writes:
> >>>what ever happened to Ted Kitchell?
> >>
> >>In article <1992Nov4.155229.1601@hemlock.cray.com> jeffy@cray.com  
(Jeffrey Neau) writes:
> >How good would he have been in the NBA.  Wasn't he co-Big10 player of  
the
> >year his senior season, even though he missed a lot of games due to his
> >injury?
> 
> That was probably his junior season, when Randy Whitman had to be
> redshirted due to an injury.  Then, Ted was a primary scorer.  The next
> year, when Whitman came back, Ted's scoring was off a bit, because  
Whitman
> ended up player-of-the-year.

Both Wittman and Kitchel had by far their best seasons as seniors in  
1982-83. Both were actually fifth-year players that year, which is what  
changed Coach Knight's opinion about the value of redshirting.

Kitchel was the leading scorer for most of the season, but his season  
ended four games early because of a back injury, and Wittman and the  
others had to step forward to preserve the Big Ten championship.

--
Dave Seaman
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