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From: audunds@dhhalden.no (AUDUN DJUV STIANSEN)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Carlights in Norway
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:48:33 GMT
Organization: Ostfold College


	I have read this newsgroup for some time, and I see there are some 
different opinions about having lights turned on when driving. Therefor, I 
will mention how things are in Norway. Norway is a small country at the top 
of Europe. I guess you know where it is. If not, you will know it in about a 
year, when we arrange the olympic winter-games '94. Well, the point is that 
in the wintertime it is quite dark up here. In the summer it's hot and 
people goes around wearing almost nothing. (Maybe some of you think this is 
bullshit, but it's true !) Anyway, as all people around the world also 
Norwegians forget to turn on the drivinglights when it becomes dark in the 
evening. Therefore, the goverment in Norway say that everyone has to use 
drivinglights all day and night. If you're not, you must pay for it (if you 
get caught by uncle police...) A couple of year ago, the law said that you 
had to turn the lights on when it becomes dark. 
	In my (and many others) opinion, driving with the lights on all day 
and night, summer and winter is the best solution. It helps a lot if you 
for example meet a car, and you have the sun right into your eyes, and as 
usual, a very dirty and scratched front-screen. I guess you know how it's 
like. The same rules are in practise in Sweden and a lot of other North-
European contries. I don't know how things are in USA, but I guess there are 
different rules in different states.
	In this newsgroup I have also read about people complaining about 
using the parkinglights, foglamps in the front and foglights in the REAR!! 
Also people sliding into the motorway in 50 km/h, and turns right into the 
left lane, and (specially old) people driving in 60 km/h in a 80 or 90 km/h 
sone, and no possibilyties to pass them. We have exactly the same problems 
here in Norway. There are so many IDIOTS on the roads, they should newer 
have had a driving licence! I guess a lot of you agree with me. 
	I hope some of you, specially outside USA replies on this and tells 
us how people drive in your country.

-Audun Stiansen
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From: rll@frieda.mitre.org (Roberto L. Landrau)
Subject: Re: Illegal Radar Jammers -- Legal for a ham?
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:41:10 GMT

>In article <1993Jan20.222254.16041@microware.com> adam@microware.com (Adam Goldberg) writes:
>>...But a ham once told me that if you have a particular type of ham
>>license (which allows use of any bandwidth [does this exist?])

Not to my knowledge...

>> then a jammer would be legal for use by that person.
>>Is this true? Does anyone have a definitive answer?

I doubt it.  Amateur radio licences do not allow you to ``broadcast''
a signal for jamming purposes.  Only for two-way communications.

In rec.autos.driving uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) wrote:
>Maybe so... but regardless:
>
>Using transmitted signals to obstruct a duly appointed law enforcement
>officer would in effect be an obstruction of justice under most state
>laws.

Good point.
>...
>Just because you can legally transmit, doesn't mean you can interfere.
>
>As the only purpose in having a jammer, (in any judges view...) would be
>to interfere with police signals....

The other point to consider is that after you use a radar gun a few
times you get pretty good at ``guesstimating'' a vehicle's speed
within 10mph or so.  Some cops claim they can predict speed within 5
mph.  If you drive by at 80mph and their radar gun reads 55mph, I can
assure you you're going to piss them off big time.  From there on,
you're at their mercy.


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From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: chains
Date: 22 Jan 1993 14:56:11 GMT
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
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tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>i've been thinking about why chains are required.
>they let you go without chains if you have 4WD/AWD
>or snow tires.

>i have a feeling that the reason chains are required is
>more out of a desire to see that you don't get stuck and
>hold everybody up than to make sure you don't crash.

I take it you've never been in a situation where you needed them.
Ever tried making a steep climb on ice?  Without chains or studs
you're out of luck, and it's dangerous not only to you but to
whoever's behind you when you start sliding backwards.

They can save your life and the lives of those near you.  They're a
really good idea in bad situations.

>in the case of RWD
>cars, however, putting them on the back aids in acceleration
>only, does little to help braking, and is of no benefit to steering.

Unless your car doesn't have rear brakes they'll help a lot in braking
a RWD car.  It aids in steering too because it helps avoid massive
oversteer which I'm sure your aware is sooo easy to cause when driving
a RWD vehicle in slippery conditions.

>and the presence of 4WD/AWD helps only acceleration, not braking
>or steering.

Bzzt, wrong answer, for the same reason as RWD cars, but of course
chains on all four tires is the best answer all around.

>furthermore, if you have chains, you can't go more than 30 mph.

That would depend a lot on the design of the chains, but if you need
chains you probably shouldn't be going more than 30 anyway.

jim frost
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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: I'll have a PBJ please.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 06:12:09 GMT

In article <s6VqXB2w165w@major.panix.com> dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea) writes:
>Having worked for an insurance company, I can tell you in no uncertain
>terms that private car insurance is not profitable at all; most
>companies sell it only because it is required if they wish to sell
>other, more profitable lines, within the same state.

question: when you say "not profitable at all, does that include
the money they make by investing the premiums collected?

-teddy
From: ericd@synoptics.com (Eric Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Fun with toll people
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:45:13 GMT
Reply-To: ericd@synoptics.com
Organization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA

In article 2200@walter.cray.com, dilmore@eastrg2.cray.com (Robert James Dilmore) writes:
>
>   On our families trip back from Whistler BC, we had a whole 
>pocketful of mints and candies from all the restaraunts we had
>eaten at. I got the silly idea to start handing them out to all
>the NY,NJ,DEL tollkeepers. The responses were excellent. Some
>were down right confused, some smiled big time and actually
>became real people and said "Thank you very much". Going through
>Delaware was great there are about 5 toll booths. We even
>experimented with trying to greet the toll keeper without the
>mint and with the mint, without the mint got us no reply at all.
>Try it sometime, beats counting pididles.
>
>Robert Dilmore
>dilmore@cray.com

If I were a toll "person", I do not know if I would eat the mints... Never know,
first it was Haloween candy, then.... :-)

Eric

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From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Headlights and driving lights 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 16:43:40 EST
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department

bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:

> >Yup. What really annoys the P**S out of me is someone who puts in fog
> >lights, and aim the damn things *up*. Not only are they useless that
> >way, but they're nearly blinding. These folks get both the high beams
> >and the fogs in response.
> 
> Which is 80 % of the cars around here that have them. I figure they
> are trying to spot traffic helios. I tried to gently let one guy
> know who was following in a BMW that he didn't need them in town.
> Didn't work. While your tactic is OK when they are coming at you,
> what do you do when they are in the lane beside you? I use my side
> mirrors, but they don't have a night setting :-(.

As a practical measure, when driving long distances at night, I usually
angle the outside mirrors upwards just a touch. By doing this, headlights
behind me are not even visible, yet I can get a good look behind me just
by lifting my head an inch - which I do before changing lanes, etc.

On a more nasty note, I once saw some idiot - er, maniac, tailgating a
guy in a jeep at about three feet, flashing his brights on and off. The
Jeep happened to be equipped with rear-facing off-road lights, much to
the tailgaters displeasure.



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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: chains
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 07:58:20 GMT


i've been thinking about why chains are required.
they let you go without chains if you have 4WD/AWD
or snow tires.

i have a feeling that the reason chains are required is
more out of a desire to see that you don't get stuck and
hold everybody up than to make sure you don't crash.
chains are not required on all four wheels, and you are
supposed to put them on the driving wheels.
in the case of FWD cars, putting them on the front aids in
acceleration, braking, and steering.  in the case of RWD
cars, however, putting them on the back aids in acceleration
only, does little to help braking, and is of no benefit to steering.
and the presence of 4WD/AWD helps only acceleration, not braking
or steering.  a GMC syclone with gatorbacks all around would not
be required to have chains or snow tires.

it sure sounds to me as if they just want to make sure you don't
get stuck and hold everybody up.  and when traffic is sparse,
i have trouble seeing a good reason to slap those chains on if
you're not having a lot of problem getting the car moving.
furthermore, if you have chains, you can't go more than 30 mph.

-teddy
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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: fog lamps
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 08:53:05 GMT


i have a '90 acura integra which has fog lamps.
the fog lamps have clear lenses and are mounted
next to the headlamps.  this past weekend, up
in the reno area, i was driving with my fog lamps on
(the better to see the surface of the road and through
the snow).  a lot of oncoming drivers thought i had
my brights on and flashed me, to which i replied by flashing
my own brights.

i know that my fog lamps don't produce much additional glare
compared to my regular low beams, since they are aimed fairly low.
but i'm getting tired of being flashed whenever i use my fog lamps
and i thought about changing them to amber.  are there any
replacement bulbs that would do this?

thanks.
-teddy
From: steve@acorn.co.uk (Steve "daffy" Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Carlights in Norway
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:28:27 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Limited, Cambridge, UK
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Kjell Kristiansson (kjell@midab.se) wrote:
: How having your lights on can reduce seeing breakinglights ahead of you
: I really don't understand. (except at dusk when the lanes are wet)

Because when following a car, its brake lights are MUCH more
noticeable if it does not have its running lights switched on.  When
the driver ahead hits the brakes you get the full contrast between no
lights and bright red brake lights.

If it has its rear running lights on, the contrast is between dim red
and bright red, which is much less striking.

It's even worse with red rear fog lamps.

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From: coop2d11@bnr.ca (Ken Goldenberg)
Subject: Re: Fun with toll people 
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:19:56 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.

Well, I've come to the decision that tool atendants should not be trifled
with.  :)  Let me explain that a bit.

I was riding down the Tachonic Pkwy (Just about the most fun road I've
driven in New York State) with a friend who speeds like crazy.  On this
particular trip we'd hit 110.  Anyway, we pulled into the tollbooth, and we
decided that I should pay, through the sunroof.  The attendant asked if his
window was broken and I just laughed and said that my friend didn't like to
pay.  Since the Tachonic is a bit on the playful side (his major speeding
was (for you NYers) on Rt. 90 towards the Tachonic) he was cruising at
about 80.  Within 5 miles, his radar detector blurped, and within another 5
we were sitting on the side of the road talking to a state trooper.

The ticket notwithstanding, I'm fairly certain that the attendant radioed
over to the trooper with a description of my friend's car.  I drive that
road quite a bit, and that wasn't a "speed trap"

I make it a habit to be polite, but not eccentric, at tolls since then.

BTW, My friend never did have to pay the ticket :)

			-Ken
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From: silver@xrtll.uucp (Hi Ho Silver)
Subject: Re: Can I install wider tyres than what specified by the auto-maker?
Organization: What you won't find on my desk.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:34:27 GMT

Sayeth oyalcin@iastate.edu (Onur Yalcin):
$In article <1855@tekgen.bv.tek.com> tkpowell@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Terry Powell) writes:
$>If your going from a 195-60-15 to a 205-60-15, the 205 will be taller. 
$>This will affect your speedo.  You might try looking at a 205-55-15.  They
$Howcome? It is only the width that is changing (increasing by one 
$centimeter). The perimeter of the tyre remains the same, thus not 
$affecting speed readings.

   Wrong.  The "60" means that the tire's sidewall height is 60% of
its sidewall cross-section.  If you increase the cross-section from
195 mm to 205 mm (i.e. by 10 mm), you increase its height by 6 mm. 
This makes a 12 mm (nearly half an inch) difference in the tire's
diameter.  If you go from 195/60 to 205/55, the height actually
decreases by a little over 4 mm, or about 8.5 mm (one third of an inch)
in total.  Neither a 205/60R15 nor a 205/55R15 is a perfect match for
the 195/60R15-calibrated speedo, but the lower-profile tire is closer.
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From: kjell@midab.se (Kjell Kristiansson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Headlights and driving lights
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:48
Organization: Midab Data AB, Sweden

silver@xrtll.uucp (Hi Ho Silver) writes:

>   Around here, amber fog lights are rare, and with more and more
>car manufacturers building white fog lights into their bumpers on
>high-end equipment packages, they're getting more and more rare.
>A typical car in this part of the world (Toronto) with added lights
>has white fogs.

Here in Sweden, Europe, your not allowd to have foglight etc lighted
together with your driving lights. If you switch your foglights on
your headlight have to go out automaticly. Why? If you have both on
at the same time it gives too much light and blinds oncoming drivers
for too long.

The only exception is for busses who are allowed one "foglight" on the
right. That is to ease seeing passangers waiting at busstops.

Kjell

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From: alves@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (ToM aLVeS)
Subject: Any Saturn Owners Out There??
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Distribution: World
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:26:07 GMT

Greetings!

   I am presently considering the purchase of a '93 Saturn SL1 and am
insterested in hearing from anyone out there who has purchased a Saturn, 
whether or not you are happy with it.  I'm looking for an economical and
reliable highway car and would like to hear how these cars are standing up
to everyday driving.  E-mail would be greatly appriciated.

Thanks to all in advance.

Tom Alves
The University of Western Ontario
alves@gaul.csd.uwo.ca
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From: tkpowell@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Terry Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Carlights in Norway
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:22:09 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1993Jan25.175156.6198@nmsu.edu> dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes:
>
>
->In New Mexico, you cannot turn your lights on until two or three hours
->after  
->dusk.  When the lights are on, you must have one light burnt out or you
->must use your high beams.  :) 
->


Same for Oregon...
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From: marshall@hplsla.hp.com (Marshall Lollis)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:31:21 GMT
Subject: What is STALKER - Do laser detectors work?
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving

Please forgive me if I am posting this in the wrong group (which is correct?).

I have two questions:            

What is STALKER radar?

Do the new laser detectors work?

Thank you all in advance for your information,

*Marshall*
From: silver@xrtll.uucp (Hi Ho Silver)
Subject: Re: Can I install wider tyres than what specified by the auto-maker?
Organization: What you won't find on my desk.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:42:50 GMT

Sayeth mikesteg@syclone.detroit.sgi.com (Mike Stegbauer):
$|> >If your going from a 195-60-15 to a 205-60-15, the 205 will be taller. 
$|> >This will affect your speedo.  You might try looking at a 205-55-15.  They
$No, actually the '60' is a ratio of height relative to the width, so if you go from
$195 to 205, the height would change slightly (6/10th of a cm?), but should not 
$affect your speedo noticably.

   Time to do some math ... here are the diameters of 195/60R15, 205/60R15,
and 205/55R15:

2 * (195 * 0.60) + 15 * 25.4 = 615 mm
2 * (205 * 0.60) + 15 * 25.4 = 627 mm
2 * (205 * 0.55) + 15 * 25.4 = 606 mm

   So the 205/60R15 will be going about 2% faster than the speedometer
indicates, while the 205/55R15 will be about 1.5% slower.

   The 0.6 cm quoted above is correct, but it has to be counted twice,
since the tire appears at the top and the bottom of the wheel.

   For those wondering about similar numbers for other sizes of tires,
the difference is large for smaller wheels, fatter tires, and larger
aspect ratios.  My car has all three compared to the above; to go
from the stock 175/70R13 to 185/70R13 would cause an increase in
actual speed vs. speedometer of around 4%:

2 * (175 * 0.70) + 13 * 25.4 = 575 mm
2 * (185 * 0.70) + 13 * 25.4 = 589 mm

   A 185/65R13 would fit better:

2 * (185 * 0.65) + 13 * 25.4 = 570 mm

(under 1% difference), but such tires are quite rare.

silver
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From: lubkin@apollo.hp.com ()
Subject: Safe driving
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:03:25 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

What are the most effective things I can do to reduce
the likelihood of being in a serious car crash?

Like maybe drive a large steel vehicle, always have my
lights on, keep my hands on the wheel, properly inflate
my tires, don't drive on drinking holidays or Friday /
Saturday night, etc.

I also fly, and there are tons of books, articles,
studies, and classes aimed at making you a safer pilot,
but I can't find anything other than books on basic
driver's ed or high-performance racing that might make a 
difference as a driver.

Can people point me to books, courses, etc.?  Analyses
of traffic accidents?


-- David Lubkin.

   lubkin@apollo.hp.com
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: fog lamps
Date: 22 Jan 1993 14:47:49 GMT
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202

klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) writes:
>I think Honda made a mistake when they placed the Integra's fog
>lamps right next to the headlamps and didn't make their lenses
>amber.  A lot of times when I see MkII Integras with their fogs
>on, they look like driving lamps instead of foglights.  They
>don't appear to point down towards the ground either.  In any
>event, fog lights should be lower and Honda should have placed
>them within the air scoop below the bumper.  But, what do I know?

Doesn't mounting them next to the regular headlights destroy the
entire function of fog lamps?  You'd get the same glare using clear
lenses mounted at headlight level so I see no benefit whatsoever
except possibly to marketing.

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
From: cat@mips.dss.com (Iain Wacey)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: fog lamps
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:16:03 GMT
Reply-To: cat@mips.dss.com (Iain Wacey)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Datability Inc.


 You should not use your fog lights if there is snow on the ground.
The light reflects off the snow into the eyes of on comming traffic
even if they are properly aligned.

Iain Wacey
cat@pluto.dss.com
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From: drew@bnr.co.uk (Scooby Doo)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Can I install wider tyres than what specified by the auto-maker?
Date: 20 Jan 1993 14:09:40 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: bnsgs211.bnr.co.uk

In article <a6g3zza@rpi.edu> yanm@rs6206.ecs.rpi.edu (Man-On Yan) writes:
>Forgive me if this is an FAQ.
>
>Is it advisable to install tyres wider than what the size of your wheels?
>Specifically, my car is a 90 Accord with 195R15 tyres. Will the traction
>improve if I install a set of 205R15 tyres instead? Will this affect handling?
>Brakes? Safety? etc.
>
	I doubt it will make much difference, it could even make it worse.


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