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From: tccg0456@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Theresa C Conefrey)
Subject: pregnancy
Summary: prgnancy and vegetarian food.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:38:57 GMT
Keywords: vegetarian

I've been a vegetarian for about 10 years now and have only
positive feelings about vegetarian food.
My boyfriend`s mother, who is a nutritionist, claims that
you can`t have a healthy pregancy if you don't eat meat.
Does anyone know of any good sources of info to refute this.
Thanks,
Theresa.
From: ckw0@aber.ac.uk (Carl Keri Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Cold cooked rice - dangerous?
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:25:44 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

A friend of mine who has done a food hygeine course told me that cooked 
rice is considered to be a 'danger food' and should be stored in the fridge
and then reheated thoroughly to render it safe to eat.  I asked for more 
specific details, but she wasn't really sure of the whys and wherefores of 
it all, so I thought I'd ask the net.  Has anyone heard of this?  and if so,
what is the problem?  Is it more dangerous than any other food, or is it just
that it gets so taken for granted in cafes etc and left around to be reheated
when needed that it has become a danger food just because of the way people
fail to take even basic hygeine precautions.  Would sprouting whole rice 
be dodgy, and if so, is it safe to sprout other grains like wheat (which I do
frequently) ?  Or is the whole thing blown out of proportion...

Thanks in advance,

Esther
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From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: Comments
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:25:24 GMT

 jaj@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jill A. Johnson)writes:


I have a few comments on some things II've been reading on this group.  

First, I thinkthat one reason fewer men are vegetarians is that they are alot
more hung up on the taste of food.  

	Oh? *chuckle* What about the cliche of women obsessing about
	chocalate and making specific dishes to gorge themselves on
	when they are upset? ( no flame meant )


Second, infertility in vegan women might happen due to estrogen levels being 
too low, as long as enough fat is had though that shouldn't happen.  Having 
too much estrogen will also cause infertility (ie: birth control pills).  Also,
I had a class last spring in which the instructor insisted that due to
environment and nasty things in the food most women born after the year 2000
will not ovulate properly and will have to have their eggs fertilized outside
of their bodies should they want to be pregnant. I don't know if this guy knew
but it's what he thinks.

	People in Chille are trying to have school at differnt hours now
	to avoid exposing children to the sun.....no ozone.  Adults also
	wear sunblock and long clothing year round now.  Along the fertility
	line both men & women are 30-40% less fertile then they used to
	be from pollutants in their food........many of which come from
	meat production.  Ironic isnt it?  This is sort of how many 
	endangered birds became endangered.....from pollutants messing
	up their reproduction.

	There are still people who are environmentalists who eat meat
	being fully aware of this.  They say "I have to have my meat".
         There are also people who still call the greenhouse effect and
	all of the other environmental warnings a bunch of liberal
	alarmism

Steve R
From: tara@starburst.umd.edu (Tara McDermott)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: "MANLY" food ***
Date: 24 Jan 1993 04:09:08 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Laboratory
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kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) writes:

>BTW, Tara, can we put "I eat tofu, and I vote" on a bumpersticker and mail 
>it to Bill?  Perhaps we could attach a picture of a chicken factory?

If you want, write to White Wave (they now make tofu, as well as vegan
soy yogurt and other meat alternatives) and ask them for one.  I
actually saw this on a bumper sticker from White Wave on Neal
Barnard's car (the vegan M.D.)!

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I eat tofu, and I vote.
From: tara@starburst.umd.edu (Tara McDermott)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: info needed.
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:15:11 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Laboratory
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jaj@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jill A. Johnson) writes:

>Ok, I guess I have a few questions. I'm not doing too bad at eating no
>dairy and no meat - but I'm finding that beans are disgusting tasting.
>I don't like them at all.  Is there some way to cook them so they
>taste better?

I always thought I hated beans as well.  They always tasted like a
thick paste to me.  To be truthful, the more you expose yourself to
them, the better they will taste to you.  You do have to aquire a
taste for them.  You might want to experiment with different cooking
styles.  Do you hate canned beans?  They are always whole and dry.  If
they don't appeal to you, try slow cooking them.  In the morning of
when you want too eat them, put them in a big pot with at least 4 or 5
times worth of water.  Bring to a boil, and then turn down to
low/simmer and cover.  Cook for 4 or 5 hours or so.  This will make
them like mush.  They will have a real sauce like texture. This is how
I like them.  

If this still doesn't work for you, start off with the lighter beans.
Eat brown lentils (lentil loaf, lentil stew/soup, or casseroles), or
split peas, red lentils, etc.  Then play around with the other beans,
until you find those you object to the least.  Keep eating them
occasionally until you don't mind them.  That's the best advice I can
give you.  Try making things that have beans mixed in with it, but are
not entirely all beans.  Make tamali pie for example, or minnestrone
soup. 

>Also, I feel that I should be losing weight - I have cut out all meat
>and dairy and haven't had any that I know of now for a couple weeks.
>I feel like I'm gaining weight and I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.
>I have probably been eating more than I did when I ate meat, but I
>have been eating alot of rice and veggies and salads.  I'm starting to
>get really discouraged.

Most doctors/nutritionists will tell that the only real way to loose
weight is to exercise as well as follow sensible eating habits.
You've already done the latter, but the more important thing is to
exercise.  Go for a 45 minute brisk walk every day.  That will help.
Or take an aerobics class, or ride your bike every day, or... you get
the picture.  It DOES take time.  I lost about 20 pounds when I became
vegan, but it was because I was exercising, not just because I no
longer ate animal products.  I was working, but had no transportation
(initially).  So I had to walk to work and back every day.  It was
just over 2 miles each way, and I walked 45 minutes each way every
day.  That's what it took for me.  Don't get discouraged, stick with
it, and be happy! 

>Jill

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From: weavej@aix.rpi.edu (Jonathan Mark Weaver)
Subject: Veganism and impotence
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:29:40 GMT


I heard that women who become vegan will eventually become impotent.
While I believe this to be totally absurd, I don't have the sources to
back me up on this. Can anyone shine some light on this subject (like
maybe vegan women with children on the net)?

Thanx in advance.


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From: bobp@msi.com (Bob Pitha)
Subject: Re: Wooden cutting boards - dangerous?
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:45:41 GMT
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Elizabeth Schwartz (betsys@cs.umb.edu) wrote:
:   Since wood is porous, it can absorb all sorts of material. A
: vegetarian who was VERY sloppy with his or her cutting board could
: start a bacteria farm, but I don't think that it is the serious danger
: that it is with chicken and salmonella. 

  Wouldn't wooden spoons be a potential problem too?  I often find one or
more of our wooden spoons floating in a soaking pot in the sink when I
get home in the afternoon, and I worry a little bit.  I assume if the
spoon is dried out and not used for a while there's not much chance of
a problem, but I can well imagine that a nice culture could get started
during its tenure in the sink.  After all, it's usually floating in some
pot that's been put in to soak, so the water it's in is full of food...
Am I overreacting here, or should I lobby for better spoon practices in
my kitchen?

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From: red_trek@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Potato Pie
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:27:40 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

POTATO PIE

3 medium potatoes, cut into chunks
1/4 cup water
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/8 teaspoon black pepper
1 teaspoon vegetable oil
1/2 teaspoon paprika
1 onion, diced
1 cup frozen peas
1 head of broccoli, cut into florets
1 green pepper, diced
4 medium carrots, diced
1/2 teaspoon basil
1 cup chopped fresh tomatoes
1 bunch collards or kale, chopped
1 teaspoon salt
1 Tablespoon vegetable oil

Steam or boil potatoes until soft.  Mash, adding water, salt, pepper
and oil.  Set aside.  Saute onion in oil for a few mintues.  Add
broccoli, pepper, carrots, peas, tomatoes, basil and salt.  Bring
to a boil.  Cover.  Simmer until vegetables are tender, about
15 minutes.  Add collards or kale, and cook for another 5 minutes.
Put vegetables into a medium baking dish.  Top with mashed potatoes
or sprinkle with paprika.  Bake at 350 degrees farhenieght for 10
or 15 minutes and serve.
From: red_trek@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Brown Gravy
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:32:12 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

BROWN GRAVY

1 Tablespoon arrowroot starch or corn starch
2 Tablespoons soy suace
2 cups water
1/2 teaspoon poultry seasoning
1/4 cup tahini (sesame butter)

Mix arrowroot, soy sauce and poultry seasoning together in
sauce pan to make a paste.  Gradually add water.  Stir well.
Cook over moderate heat until thickened.  Add tahini.  Mix.
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From: murty@ecf.toronto.edu (MURTY Hema Sandhyarani)
Subject: Indian Sweets
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 02:05:10 GMT

	Does anyone on this group have any recipes for 
	Indian sweets?  Please e-mail, if so,

	Thanks,
	Hema


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From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: "MANLY" food ***
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:47:51 GMT

In article <1jihnsINNl6j@pandora.sdsu.edu> guest@voyager3.sdsu.edu (Guest User) writes:
>Is beef a 'Manly' diet ? One thing I notice from this newsgroup and my
>personal experience, more women are switching to vegetarian diet than
>men. Is it the conditioning of the western society that it is masculine
>to eat meat in general and red meat in particular ? I see that in
>advertisements. Men eat beef and other red meat while women are 
>portrayed as eating chicken and salad. I see a strong gender bias
>in this meat eating society. I find men associate beef eating with
>power and strength and hence a macho thing to do. I don;t blame them
>from a young age they are exposed to the doctrines of the beef
>board with slogans like 'Beef gives strength' and garbage like that.
>Beliefs handed down for generations are hard to shake off. 
>Women on the other hand seems to be on the average, more 
>sensible and practical. Many men seems to have been brainwashed
>into associating meat with being macho. Though fortunately, lots
>of men are seeing the light now.
>
>S

I've gotten this crap handed to me alot, even when I was a bodybuilder
at 5,11, 220lbs from guys who were much smaller and weaker then me.

I have noticed diffent tastes in food in men & women.  Men tend to
crave more caloric stuff, larger size I guess.

I remember reading some feminst book awhile back stating your opinions
and going deeper comparing our "meat culture" to the oppression of women.

By scholarly stds it left much to be desired but it was very interesting
Steve R

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From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: "MANLY" food ***
Reply-To: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:39:49 GMT

In article <C19v2J.BE9@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> molnar@Bisco.CAnet.CA (Tom Molnar)  
writes:
>In article <1jihnsINNl6j@pandora.sdsu.edu> guest@voyager3.sdsu.edu (Guest  
User) writes:
># Is beef a 'Manly' diet ? One thing I notice from this newsgroup and my
># personal experience, more women are switching to vegetarian diet than
># men.
>
>Perhaps women are more compasionate.  Men may be more hedonistic.  Perhaps
>men are more gullible to commercial adverisments and repress their compassion.
>
>It has been pointed out to me that I've changed a great deal since turning
>strict vegetarian.  Less aggressive, quieter, more reflective, almost subdued.
>*I* haven't noticed, but everyone around me has.

oh definately, since going vegatarian and caffeine free, i've been much more
balanced. the lack of caffeine has accounted for my being far less wired (I
used to drink about eight 16oz mugs a day!) but even before the coffee i
was typically considered moody and manic-depressive with wild, fast emotional
swings. I claim that ridding my body of the chemicals from meat has done this.

by chemicals i refer to not only the unnatural growth enhancers and pestisides, 
but the also the natural steroid and hormones such as testosterone. You can see
where I am going here, that in my opinion, daily consumpution of drugs is NOT
good for the body, and while chucking out those nose-sprays and tylenols are 
a good step, stopping the practice eating meat completes the circle.

oh dear, i've been preaching, really I didn't mean to, just trying to explain
one man's opinion. sigh.
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From: u3428aa@unx.ucc.okstate.edu (Jayaram Ramanathan)
Subject: Re: Veganism and impotence
Organization: Oklahoma State University Computer Center, Stillwater OK
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:23:45 GMT

>In article <agj3yr+@rpi.edu>, weavej@aix.rpi.edu (Jonathan Mark Weaver)
>wrote:
>> I heard that women who become vegan will eventually become impotent.
>> While I believe this to be totally absurd, I don't have the sources to
>> back me up on this. Can anyone shine some light on this subject (like
>> maybe vegan women with children on the net)?

Well, to disprove this assertion, you only need to look at the fact that
in a country like India, which has a large number of vegetarians, the
population growth has been phenomenal. 

-jay
From: Janet_Wilson@mindlink.bc.ca (Janet Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Cold comfort for geese
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:29:40 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

I have found fibrefill to be VASTLY superior to down...it keeps its loft and
is easily washed and dried.
But it is really hard to find an environmentally friendly fill...unless you
can get your cotton organically grown, humanely harvested, and milled with
environmental sensitivity.
It gets depressing sometimes.
From: red_trek@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Pinto Bean Spread
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:29:57 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

PINTO BEAN SPREAD

1 pound pinto beans, cooked in 2 quarts water for 2 to 2 1/2 hours
        (until very tender), drained
1 1/2 teaspoons garlic powder
1 Tablespoon onion powder
3/4 teaspoon cumin
1/3 teaspoon black pepper
3/4 cup canola oil
1 1/2 teaspoon salt

Process all ingredients in blender until very smooth.  Use as
a filling in nachoes, tacos and burritoes.  Top with salsa, avocado,
olives, onions, tomatoes, lettuce, etc.
From: tara@starburst.umd.edu (Tara McDermott)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Wooden cutting boards - dangerous?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 22:54:47 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Laboratory
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warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison) writes:

>Not a "threat"... but have you ever cut a pineapple on a wooden board
>recently used for cutting onions?  (washing the board in between of
>course - but it makes no difference).

No..... what happens????  You have me intrigued!

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I eat tofu, and I vote.
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: QUESTION: Is Animal fat used in the dough for Domino's pizza??
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:19:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston


  The owner of the Domino's chain is one of the founders and largest
supporting members of the group Operation Rescue, the anti-choice
group that is doing most of the direct actions against reproductive
health clinics in the USA. NARAL (the National Abortion Rights Action
League) has called for a boycott of Domino's. (possibly, there is a
corresponding drive to support Domino's from the anti-choice side)

   This isn't the forum for a debate on abortion, of course, but I post
it because it might affect your choice since you are considering the 
ethics of eating at Domino's.

Betsy (hoping this is a politically neutral post)
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From: young@clpd.kodak.com (Rich Young)
Subject: Re: Diet of primates
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@clpd.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 12:58:18 GMT

In article <1jkgdjINNqov@fido.asd.sgi.com> danac@morc.asd.sgi.com (Dana Crom) writes:

[...]

>Wouldn't it be more to the point to compare our diet to those of our
>hunter/gatherer ancestors?
>
>[...] ...although a strict vegan diet may be a modern idea, that mildly-
>omnivorous-but-mostly-vegetarion is a *lot* closer to the "normal" diet
>for humans than the more common carnivore-who-eats-occasional-starches
>pattern.

	You'll get no argument on this from ME.


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
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From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: birthday un-cake
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:16:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <1993Jan28.143050.15049@julian.uwo.ca> zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca writes:
>
>
>I'd like to participate, but of course cake is right-out, eggs you know. And
>they usually buy the cake seeing as there is no office chef :)
>
>Anyone have a suggestion for a cake substitute big enough to have a piece for
>each of 20-30 people? birthday pie is probably too messy...
>
What about Linzertorte? I don't think it has eggs and it is awesome.
Look for a European bakery...
 
rf



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From: bobp@msi.com (Bob Pitha)
Subject: Re: Toxic water was Re: "The miracle of fasting" by Paul C. Bragg
Followup-To: rec.food.veg,misc.health.alternative,sci.med.nutrition
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:13:27 GMT
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Elizabeth Schwartz (betsys@cs.umb.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan20.201308.21805@pixel.kodak.com> young@clpd.kodak.com (Rich Young) writes:
: >>  I'm not sure what "de-ionized" water would be, exactly. I guess the
: >>legend is that you get an ion imbalance :-) I'm not a physicist but I

: >"De-ionized" water is essentially the same as "distilled" water.
: >It is water which has no impurities dissolved in it (the dissolved
: >impurities form ions while in solution, hence the terminology).

: Ah, thanks, makes sense! This does not sound like a life-threatening
: substance. I'd imagine that we would still get more than our minimum
: daily requirement for impurities from other substances :-)  :-(

 The version of this legend that I heard claimed that the reason heavily
purified water was dangerous is that it caused the cells that line the
stomach to rupture becuase of the imbalance in concentrations of dissolved
substances.  It's true that osmotic pressure can cause cells to rupture,
but I doubt drinking purified water would cause such an imbalance in your
stomach that it would be dangerous.

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From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Re: Hitler Was NOT a Vegetarian:)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:40:38 GMT

>BTW, yes he did pamper his dogs tremendously.  He wasnt any different then
>most of the human race in being able to be kind to animals and shitty
>to people.  Sort of like that woman from PETA who shot her ex husband in
>an argument.  One trait in a human doesnt imply another.

    You are right.  One trait in a person certainly doesn't 
*automaticallyi* entail another associated trait in that same
person.

    I know lots of people who can be kind to other people (at 
least some people) and outright brutal and indifferent towards 
non-human animals.  How can this be?

    Two features of human consciousness are often
overlooked or underplayed, namely, the great extent to which it
is nonconcious and its manifest NONuntiary nature.  Beliefs 
and attitudes can readily be compartmentalized, hierarchically
organized and function as isolated systems even to the point
of marked dissociation.  

    Did you know that the ancient Greek dictum, "know thyself",
is actually better translated into English as "Keep no lie of
thyself from thyself"?  This seems to me a more achievable
direction.  We simply cannot know ourselves completely as
most of what we "are" consists of non-conscious, automatic processes,
but we can achieve a good degree of self-refection and deliberateness 
in our lives, if only we curb the self-deceptions that humans are
all too prone towards.  The examined life is not only worth living,
it is how we must live since we are thrown into life as "unfinished
creatures" whose very nature is defined in the process of hopefully
living intentionally a good life, a compassionate life.

					ted

 

			
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					ted

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