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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:59:37 +0100
From:         George Welling <welling@FREYA.LET.RUG.NL>
Subject:      Re: C18-L's Kalendar, January 25-31 (Reasons to celebrate!)
              Jan 24, 93 09:38:05 pm

some little dutch addendum



Eddy van Halen (Dutch born - Rotterdam - US Rock Musician)


End of 30 years war between Spain and the Netherlands: we always refer to it
as the end of the 80 year war.

31 January, birthday of queen Beatrix of the Netherlands. (though her birthday
is nationally celebrated on april 30, when actually her mother has her
birthday.)

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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:35:31 -0500
From:         "Karen M. Bush" <kb2v+%ANDREW.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      origins of the world

One book that might help is Stephen Jay Gould's Time's Circle and Time's
Arrow (or something like that)--I found that useful when I was looking for
sources on Earth-As-Cracked-Egg.

Linda Troost
Washington and Jefferson College
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From:         Randy Kloko <rkk@MAIL.LIB.DUKE.EDU>
Subject:      Returned mail

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 17:39:36 EST
From: Randy Kloko <rkk@mail.lib.duke.edu>
To: c18-l@psuvm
Subject: Klopstocks Fruehlingsfeyer

          A question about Klopstock's ode "Die Fruehlingsfeyer"
          (1759; revised 1771):  has anyone connected it with Kant's
          theory of the nebular origin of planets (c. 1755)?
          In the fourth strophe:
               "Da aus der Hand des Allmaechtigen
               Die groessern Erden quollen,
               Da die Stroeme des Lichts
               Rauschten, und Orionen wurden..."
          which seems to suggest a synthesis of the Genesis account
          and
          Kant's
          theory that the planets formed from stellar dust.  The fifth
          strophe ends with
               "Mehr, als die Orionen,
               Die aus Strahlen zusammenstroemten!"

          In the 1771 version, a strophe is interposed which reads
               "Da ein Strom des Lichts rauscht', und unsre Sonne
          wurde!
               Ein Wogensturz sich stuertze wie vom Felsen
               Der Wolk' herab, und den Orion guertete..."

          Just curious as to whether anyone had heard such an
          interpretation, or knew where to start looking to find an
          answer.

          Randy Kloko
          Special Collection Library
          Duke University
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:23:16 -0500
From:         wilputte@ESSEX.STFX.CA
Subject:      whig and tory propaganda

Thank you to those of you who offered your advice and assistance on
finding some 1730s sources -- David Levy, Suzanne Gibson, Arthur J.
Weitzman and Diana Patterson.  It seems there just aren't a lot of
novels out there, but your ideas and leads have at least given me a new
direction to think about.  Do you think Delariviere Manley's _New
Atalantis_ and _Queen Zarah_ are too early to compare with Haywood's

1736 work? D. Levy suggests that 40 years, then, was relative.
Thanks again.
Earla A. Wilputte  Dept. of English  ST.F.X.U. Antigonish, N.S.
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:04:42 MST
From:         Janis Ernest Svilpis <jsvilpis@ACS.UCALGARY.CA>
Subject:      Re: latin and the 'net
              Chris

Just a small suggestion supplementing Graham Wolff Christian's
decoding of D.O.M.S.--
>
> If you already know that H.S.E. stands for "hic sepulta est," I think it highl
> unlikely that D.O.M.S. stands for "Dominus..." anything. "Here lies [noun of
> feminine gender]..." I will ponder further, but it seems to me that D. must
> stand for Deo and S. for sacra, so that the whole will read, "Here lies one
> woman? noun of feminine gender, i.e. poeta?]" sacred to God..." What O. and M.
> represent is another question, though the same logic tells me that they must
> stand for a noun w/ adjective or other descriptive phrase relevant either to
> Deo or the one sepulta.
>

A possible descriptive phrase that would at least fit the "O.M."
initials would be "optimo maximo(que)."

Best of luck with this,

Janis
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 07:30:36 EST
From:         "Mary A. Gallagher" <CATQC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Please Colorize Me! Ted Turner Clones, Red Alert!
              27 Jan 1993 22:04:58 EST from <joneill@ITSMAIL1.HAMILTON.EDU>

I am wondering whether the association of green with the Whig party
helps explain why soldiers participating in the Philadelphia mutiny
of 1783 and Shays's Rebellion wore green boughs sporting from their
hats - are they in effect claiming to be the true Whigs?
Mary A. Gallagher
The Papers of Robert Morris
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Date: 21 Jan 93 16:37:27 GMT
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Date:         Wed, 20 Jan 1993 22:49:17 CST
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From:         "Laurence I. Press" <lpress@isi.edu>
Subject:      NEW: GNET - Toward a Truly *Global* Network
To:           Kevin Berland <BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET>

gnet@dhvx20.csudh.edu

             GNET: an Archive and Electronic Journal

                 Toward a *Truly* Global Network

   Computer-mediated communication networks are growing rapidly, yet
   they are not truly global -- they are concentrated in affluent
   parts of North America, Western Europe, and parts of Asia.

   GNET is an archive/journal for documents pertaining to the effort
   to bring the net to lesser-developed nations and the poorer parts
   of developed nations.  (Net access is better in many "third
   world" schools than in South-Central Los Angeles).  GNET consists
   of two parts, an archive directory and a moderated discussion.

   Archived documents are available by anonymous ftp from the
   directory global_net at dhvx20.csudh.edu (155.135.1.1).  To
   conserve bandwidth, the archive contains an abstract of each
   document, as well as the full document.  (Those without ftp
   access can contact me for instructions on mail-based retrieval).

   In addition to the archive, there is a moderated GNET discussion
   list.  The list is limited to discussion of the documents in the
   archive.  It is hoped that document authors will follow this
   discussion, and update their documents accordingly.  If this
   happens, the archive will become a dynamic journal.  Monthly
   mailings will list new papers added to the archive.

   We wish broad participation, with papers from nuts-and-bolts to
   visionary.  Suitable topics include, but are not restricted to:

      descriptions of networks and projects
      host and user hardware and software
      connection options and protocols
      current and proposed applications
      education using the global net
      user and system administrator training
      social, political or spriritual impact
      economic and environmental impact
      politics and funding
      free speech, security and privacy
      directories of people and resources

   To submit a document to the archive or subscribe to the moderated
   discussion list, use the address gnet_request@dhvx20.csudh.edu.

   Owner: Larry Press
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:19:54 -0500
From:         Hans Rollmann <hrollman@MORGAN.UCS.MUN.CA>
Subject: Re: "Ritter Heinrichs Ebentheuer"

Could you check your transcription?  Shouldn't "Ebentheuer" read instead
"Abentheuer"?  HANS ROLLMANN
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:46:22 CST
From:         ENCOPE@LSUVM.BITNET
Subject: Please Colorize Me! Ted Turner Clones, Red Alert!

Dear C18-L Readers,
     Elaine Smyth, one of the world's leading rare book librarians, will
be curating a gala exhibition of eighteenth-century rarities for the
forthcoming SCSECS convention.  Elaine has hit me with a query to which I
ought to know the answer, but, dagnabbit, I've suddenly realized that my
experience of eighteenth-century visual space is mostly in black and white,
and in the style of engravings!
    Elaine is wondering whether there were any color associations for
(respectively) the Whigs in the Tories (in the manner, say, of the contemporary
association of Irish Protestant factions with orange).  Elaine would like to
fit the color of exhibition tags to the subject and to insure proper
ornamentation for her exhibit.  I'm sure that we can help her make the color
answer the sense!
     I you'd like, you may reply directly to Elaine at

NOTEBS@LSUVM

or

NOTEBS.LSUVM.SNCC.LSU.EDU

Thank you so much!

Your servant,
Kevin L. Cope, SCSECS President
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:18:21 CST
From:         stephen behrendt <sbehrend@UNLINFO.UNL.EDU>
Subject:      subscribe

tell listserv at psuvm subscribe C18-l Stephen Behrendt
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:35:11 U
From:         Catherine Labio <catherine_labio@OFFCAMPUS.REED.EDU>
Subject:      Re: origins of the world

        Reply to:   RE>origins of the world
I don't have a copy of Kant's Universal Natural History, only some notes I took
a while ago and which may be incomplete, but I don't think the link between
Klopstock's poem and Kant's theory is strong.   For one thing I don't remember
any reference to light in Kant's work.  Also, the planets are made of "stuff",
i.e., the same kinds of materials that had initially made up chaos and turned
into the universe by means of largely unspecified Newtonian mathematical
properties (not stellar dust):

"If in this immeasurable space ["the infinite range of divine presence"], in
which all suns of the Milky Way have formed themselves, one assumes a point
around which through I do not know what cause the first formation of nature
from chaos has begun, [then, as a result,] there will have arisen the greatest
mass and a body of most unusual[ly] large attraction, which has thereby become
capable of forcing all systems, [being] in [the process of] formation around it
in an enormous sphere, to sink toward it as their center and to establish
around it in the whole a similar system as the same elementary basic stuff,
which formed the planets, made around the sun on the small scale."  (UNG,
trans. and ed. Stanley L. Jaki.  Edinburgh: Scottish Academic P, 1981, p. 149).

Useful info might be in the intro to this translation
Other refs:
Gould, Time's Arrow Time's Cycle
Rossi, The dark abyss of time
Toulmin & Goodfield, The discovery of time
Greene, The death of Adam
A 1983 U. of Illinois diss. by Mark Richard McCulloch, The Sidereal Visions of
Kant, Humboldt, and Einstein (have never seen it)
G.J. Whitrow has also edited a transl., called Kant's Cosmogony.  Maybe there
is an intro or sth.  (have never seen it)

Final note: maybe the link is with Goethe's sources for his work on light.

Hope this helps
Catherine Labio
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:21:31 CST
From:         ENCOPE@LSUVM.BITNET
Subject: Necessity Delayed, Or, Mail Still Going Through; Details

It's said that the mail MUST go through, but necessity can work slowly,
and I fear that the SCSECS programs are still going through bulk mail,
even despite having been posted on January 8.  I doubt not that they will
arrive soon, but, in the meantime, let me offer eager conventioneers the
essential details about the conference, in the event that they want to proceed
with plans and reservations.  All of the information below is detailed in
the wandering packets, which, I hope, will find their way to your respective
homesteads in short order.  So, the essential articles for the study of SCSECS:
DATES:  Thursday, March 11, 2:15 pm, to Saturday, March 13, 5:00 pm.
VENUE:  Baton Rouge Hilton Hotel, 1-800-621-5116 or 1-504-924-5000
HOTEL RATE:  $60.00 flat rate, single double, triple, or quad
DESIGNATED AIR CARRIER:  Continental Airlines;  use "event code"  ZMN8
SOCIAL PROGRAM:  Amazing, extensive, and detailed in the wandering packets.
Believe me, if I had known that bulk mail would take three weeks, I would have
used first class!  I'm most sorry.
    Packets have been sent to all SCSECS members and to all persons whom the
membership secretary could identify as non-members but program participants.
If you are not a member but would like a program (mailed first class) send the
annual $5.00 dues to Prof. Sara Burroughs, c/o Department of Language and
Communications, Northwestern State University, Natchitoches, Louisiana,
71497.

Thanks, and keep a weather eye out for those programs!  They are coming!
     KEVIN L. COPE     SCSECS President
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:29:40 EST
From:         "David C. Stewart" <DCSTEWA@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Romantic Friendship

I'm not an C18 scholar, but I am having to look into the subject of 'Romantic f
riendships' in the C18.  Is Lillian Faderman's thesis in 'Surpassing the Love o
f Men' accepted among C18 scholars and if not what are the articles/books which
 argue against her ?  I would be most grateful for any suggestions/comments/inf
o.

Thank you, David
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:35:03 -0500
From:         BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Cogitas...

Is there a discussion group devoted to Latin/neoLatin?  Would there be any
interest in setting up such a group?  Perhaps we should look into this?
What say, Leland?

Kevin Berland
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:16:25 EST
From:         Anna Creese <AECREESE@PUCC.BITNET>
Subject:      "optimo maximo"

Many thanks to all those who have been replying to my D.O.M.S. question.
On the matter of a Catholic influence in the possible use of "optimo maximo",
I do not think that this would be a likely place for a Catholic influence:
the inscription is at the top of the epitaph of an emphatically Calvinist
Abbess in northern Germany (I know that Calvinist Abbess sounds like an
oxymoron, but it's not).  Classicizing deism seems more in character to me.
The rest of the epitaph can best be described as neo-stoic.  Of course, I don't
actually know if this abbess wrote her own epitaph or not.

Anyway, thanks again for all the responses, and I would be glad to hear more
ideas on the subject.

anna

aecreese@pucc.bitnet
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:00:09 EDT
From:         Leland Peterson <LDP100F@ODUVM.CC.ODU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Latin on the networks?
              25 Jan 1993 21:34:37 -0500 from
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One eternally fascinating subject is the teaching of classics in translation
and the comparison of translations.  The eighteenth century was, among other
accomplishments, responsible for a flood of translations of the classics.  We
now live with a great paradox: never have the Latin classics been more readily
available to the reading public with little or no knowledge of the Latin origin
als, and yet the great ones in classical Latin are virtually unknown to the
educated of our time.  Homer receives tribute regularly, but where do we find
any recognition of the genius of Virgil?  I suspect that numerous translationss
of the Aeneid have done little or nothing to persuade one that Virgil was a gre
at poet.  Consider C.Day Lewis's rendition of the storm in Book I of the Aeneid
(p. 16, Doubleday Anchor ed.): "Three times did the South wind spin them toward
an ambush of rocks...three times did the East wind/Drive them in to the Syrtes
shoal, a piteous spectacle...."  Query: what drove the ship back and away from
the rocks and Syrtes shoal at least twice?
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:52:00 EST
From:         BCJ@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject:      "Crossing Boundaries"

The Winter 1993 American Society for Eighteenth-Century Studies News
Circular (No. 87) contains a new feature by Lorelei Tanji, a column
discussing interdisciplinary research and publications.  The first of
these columns covers "cultural studies," and discusses 6 recent books
in this field.  The topic of the next column is "recent publications on
transnational/transgeographical/transcultural approaches to interdisci-
plinary eighteenth-century studies"; the author requests titles for
inclusion in this column and suggestions for new topics: ltanji@uci.edu
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:47:46 -0500
From:         BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Smollett in Westminster Abbey?

     The news has been bruited about (largely by the indomitable Jerry
Beaseley of the University of Delaware) that the powers that be are
considering erecting a memorial to Tobias Smollett in Westminster Abbey.
Please direct your letters of support (via snail-mail) to:
    The Very Reverend Michael Mayne
    Dean of Westminster
    The Deanery
    Westminster Abbey
    London SW1I 3PA
      England
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:04:58 EST
From:         John O'Neill <joneill@ITSMAIL1.HAMILTON.EDU>
Subject: Re: Please Colorize Me! Ted Turner Clones, Red Alert!
              "ENCOPE@LSUVM.BITNET" at Jan 27, 93 8:46 pm

Kevin,

I have no expertise in this matter, but I believe the Green Ribbon Club
was a Whig organization in the late 1670's.

Another possible clue:

Because Religion was nearest at Hand to furnish a few convenient
Phrases; is our Invention so barren, we can find no others?  Suppose,
for Argument Sake, that the Tories favoured Margarita, the Whigs Mrs.
Tofts, and the Trimmers Valentini; would not Margaritians, Toftians, and
Valentinians, be very tolerable Marks of Distinction?  The Prasini and
Veniti, two most virulent Factions in Italy, began (if I remember right)
by a Distinction of Coulours in Ribbonds; which we might do, with as
good a Grace, about the Dignity of the Blue and the Green; and would
serve as properly to divide the Court, the Parliament, and the Kingdom
between them, as any Terms of Art whatsoever, borrowed from Religion.

--Swift, *An Argument Against Abolishing Christianity*

--John H. O'Neill (joneill@hamilton.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:49:59 CST
From:         Bhattacharya Sumangala <ac05@SOL.ACS.UNT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Cogitas...
              Jan 24, 93 9:14 pm

In reply to Leland Peterson's message:
> Kevin:  Yes, I would be interested in a Classical Influences in the 18th
> Century or just plain Latin in the Eighteenth Century.  Would this interest
> a sufficient number of patrons to qualify?
>
I'm not sure what the original message was (my mailer is feeling a bit under
the weather the past few days) but this sounds interesting.  What is the topic
supposed to qualify for?

--

Sumangala Bhattacharya
ac05@sol.acs.unt.edu
ac05@untvax.bitnet
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:22:12 EDT
From:         leland peterson <LDP100F@ODUVM.CC.ODU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: latin and the 'net
              26 Jan 1993 09:52:15 EST from <AECREESE@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>

Just a guess, but if the D.O.M. is Dominus Omnium Magister, perhaps the S.is fo
r Summus or Supremus. We should have Luis Gamez at Fordham make some inquiries
amongst the Jesuit scholars.  I have no idea how common the D.O.M.S was as an
inscription, whether it is the abbreviation for a phrase or pious ejaculation
or what.  The possibilities are infinite at this point.
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:44:07 -0500
From:         Germaine Warkentin <warkent@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Cogitas

The "Neo-Latin anyone?" message went out on Ficino (I think) and I got
this reply personally, which I am happy to add to the gathering group
of those who think a Neo-Latin list would be a good idea.

Forwarded message:
> From MERKLEY@acadvm1.uottawa.ca  Mon Jan 25 11:54:44 1993
> Message-Id: <9301251654.AA18080@epas.utoronto.ca>
> Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 93 11:52:31 EST
> From: MERKLEY@acadvm1.uottawa.ca
> To: warkent
>
> Germaine, Yes, Lora and I are interested in an electronic neo-Latin
> discussion.  It would be useful if only for questions of orthography.
> We are also publishing some archival entries and wonder about resolution
> of abbreviations (especially given the variable orthography).  It's a
> good idea!
>
>           Paul Merkley, Lora Matthews.
>

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Germaine Warkentin                                     warkent@epas.utoronto.ca
English, Victoria College, University of Toronto
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:57:35 EDT
From:         L D Peterson <LDP100F@ODUVM.CC.ODU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: We have been experiencing technical difficulties...
              20 Jan 1993 20:08:36 -0500 from
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Cogitas mittisque ergo es!
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