HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Announcement & Hello!
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:59:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.143158.20818@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> bcrespo@nyx.cs.du.edu
(Beth Crespo) writes:
>Hello Net.Parents,
> Please welcome to the world my now 5 mo. old daughter:
>   Lisa Nicole Kieffer
>   Born: June 4, 1992,  5:52 PM
>         7 lbs. 3oz.; 21 inches
>         healthy and beautiful!
>   Now: 14 lbs. 4 oz; 24 inches,
>        rolling around and still, healthy and beautiful!
>
>Thanks to University of Denver for providing net access;
>it is nice to re-connect and see some familiar names.
>It's also nice to read that my birth experience was not unique!
>More later,
>Beth Crespo
>(signature under construction)
>
>

I wasn't priveleged to hear about your unique experience, but it sounds like
she is doing fine! Congrats. I've just joined this group. There is a load of
good info here!


*****************************************************************
John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: brunner@telebit.com (Eric Brunner)
Subject: Re: Cute things they say
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:47:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.183525.11300@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu> kellum@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Ken Kellum) writes:
>
>her.  Rachel reached up for the little square piece of cloth which
>keeps ones hair grease off the chair (I have no idea what one calls
>this) and put in over her little sister's head.  Just as I was about
>
Antimascar.

-- 
Eric Brunner Tule Network Services
uucp: uunet!practic!brunner
trying to understand multiprocessing is like having bees live inside your head.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: filipell@nosc.mil (Pamela R. Filipelli)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
Subject: Re: Age, aging, and appearance
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:51:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: nosc.1992Nov10.225152.21454
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego

In article <1992Nov10.002720.2226197@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>In article <1dei8bINNjpv@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes) writes:
>>
>>So I've been wondering if people who look young for their age in the
>>teens and twenties continue looking younger than their true age
>>throughout life, and if they age more slowly and live longer than
>>average.  

My looks have flip-flopped.  At 16, I looked 25.  At 25, I looked 16. 
Since I'm only up to late 31 now, can't say how long I'll live.  But
I figure I'll live to about 85.  That's my family's female average
life-span.  Someone recently guessed I was 25.  When they found out
I had a nine year old son, they asked my age.

I think this is a heredity thing.

>Of course, this is all with clothes on.  Naked I definitely look 40 (or 50 -
>gravity does take its toll).  

OH, DON'T SAY THAT!!!  

-------
Pamela Filipelli
filipell@cod.nosc.mil
"Speaking strickly for myself."
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hechtel@meteor.wisc.edu (Leslie Hartten)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Tourettes Syndrome
Keywords: Tourettes
Date: 7 Nov 92 17:35:21 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Meteorology and Space Science

Tried to email this, but it bounced.  Also, the grammer may be a little
rough; sorry, but it's crunch-time here.

I have recently been reading Oliver Sacks' books _Awakenings_ and
_The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat_.  Sacks is a neurologist
at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in NYC, and the books are
very interesting--written for laypeople but with a whole lot of
technical info.  Tourettes is referred to in both the above books
(there is actually 1 example given in the second), and references
are given in both. You may find the full text of both books will
give you some perspective on many different aspects of the brain
and how it controls/doesn't control behavior, and how society views
such behavior and reacts. Oops, meant to tell you that some of
the cited references are specific to Tourettes.

Good luck!

Leslie

-- 
Leslie M. Hartten
Dept. of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences 
1225 West Dayton Street
Madison  WI  53706            Internet:hechtel@meteor.wisc.edu
From: ishizaki@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Audrey Ishizaki)
Subject: Re: Halloween Stories
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:11:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA

re: cute halloween costumes

my son Dale was 14 months old at halloween; I "made" his startrek (the old
show) costume using black sweatpants, black turtleneck and a red sweatshirt.
I used gold trim (the zigzaggy kind) around the cuffs (which I turned in)
of the sweatshirt and found a gold star (I cut off the two "arms", to make
the chest-symbol) for the chest.

Considering how much time it took (minimal, really!), it looked great and
he was adorable.  *AND* it's all reusable as "real" clothes!

audrey ishizaki
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: J.Osborne@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au
Subject: Re: Age, aging and appearence
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 01:31:02 GMT

I always looked older than my age as a child. For instance, I remember a
customs officer on the Swiss-Italian border asking where my passport was when I
was 14 years old and travelling with my mother on her passport. I never had
difficulty drinking in pubs from about the age of 14.

And yet...when I went to my doctor a couple of years ago (aged 36) for a
general check-up before starting a family, he said that my 'physical age was
younger than my chronological age'. (What a nice doctor!)

Of course, with a 20 month old son, I now feel I've aged physically a great
deal in the last couple of years!

Jo
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: Examples for discussion (was Re: Plain Talk About Spanking (long))
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:03:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.204321.1888@trentu.ca> xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory) writes:
>Here's one of my own: logical consequences for dawdling. The only
>one I've been able to come up with is to include a certain amount
>of slack time in the schedule, time to stop on the way and do something
>fun. Then dawdling is eating into the fun time without making us
>late. But this approach doesn't get me through my day any faster
>or get me the extra time I need to put to billables. Who can think
>of anything? I'm sure there will be an age variation: what speeds
>up a toddler will not work on a teen, for example, but I'd like to
>hear a wide spectrum.
>
>

Well we discussed this as well, in relation to getting ready in the mornings.
The two most effective things I got from the discussion was 1) get up before
the children so that you are awake and functioning before you try dealing
with them (this REALLY helped me) and 2) give the children ample time to get
ready acknowledging that children can't just wake up, get dressed, and go.
Hey, neither can I ;-)

Two methods of giving them time were used.  We use the former.  Turn the
TV on and allow the children to watch morning cartoons as they wake up.  This
gets them out of bed and allows them to start to awaken.  Within a specified
period of time they must begin to dress.  As soon as dressing ceases, the
TV goes off until dressing is complete.  Same with breakfast.  The idea being
that as long as you are progressing through the morning routine you may continue
to watch cartoons.  As soon as you stop, no more cartoons.

Another mother used the opposite approach which was "no morning cartoons until
you are dressed and have had breakfast".  So the extra 30 minutes built into
their morning schedule could be dawdled away or could be saved for watching
some TV before leaving the house.

For those of you who don't allow TV, maybe listening to music might work.  It
can't be something like reading because you can't really read and dress at
the same time.  But the idea was that there is a motivating factor that helps
the children stay focused on what they are doing (getting dressed).




-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: donna@wyse.wyse.com (Donna Diloreto x2231 dept302)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: teething biscuits
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:07:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: wyse.3935
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

I've seen the threads for finger foods, but haven't seen any for infants
that don't have teeth yet.  Does anyone have any suggestions on what to
give infants who are eating baby food, and are ready for teething
biscuits?  The packaged Gerber biscuits seem expensive, and look like all
have sugar (not that I'm against sugar).

Paul is 6 1/2 months old, and has had a soda cracker once, and Graham crackers
twice.  I'm not sure if these are the best things to give, so I'm open
to suggestions.  He loves gumming anything down, and seems to know when you
are eating food -- he gets so mad when you give him a taste, but finish
the rest yourself.  :->

Donna
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: big = good?
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:35:59 GMT
	<3867@master.CNA.TEK.COM>
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <3867@master.CNA.TEK.COM> judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake) writes:

   Another problem with big kids is that they stop making clothes with
   snaps in the crotch long before these kids are potty trained.  This
   is inconvenient.  For example, my daughter wears size 3, which is the
   size where a lot of manufacturers stop making the one-piece rompers
   that are so nice for babies.  They assume (erroneously) that anyone who
   wears a size 3 isn't a baby any more.  (Fortunately, our department
   secretary is an excellent seamstress, so she makes custom-sized rompers
   for Austin, with snaps in the crotch.)

I've got two other sources of clothing for those with big babies, both
specialize in 100% cotton clothing:

Hanna Andersson  (800) 222-0544

their 'baby' sizes go up to 90 cm (34-38" tall)  And there is plenty
of room for wide kids in their soft and stretchy clothing. My 3 year
old (who often wears size 4) fits into their size 90 clothing, and is
36" tall.

And I just got a catalog from Echo Field (800) 846-2179

they make a one piece suit they call a 'bloomersuit'. Many are done to
look like a top and bottom, but are one piece. The top is soft,
stretchy ribknit, and the bottoms are loose (and of varying fabrics),
and it's got long cuffs to roll up or down as the baby grows. They
seem to have a zipper crotch in all sizes, up through 4T (39"-42") and
certainly in 24 month (31-36"). I tried to call to find out about the
3T and 4T sizes, but Customer Service is only available M-F 9-5
Central time. They cost $28-$30.

Note that the sizes for both of these companies tend to run larger
than standard sizes - even with my large (95th percentile) son, it has
been the height that mattered for sizing, not his weight.
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: llf@alice.att.com (alice!llf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: critical relatives
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:03:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24113
Reply-To: llf@alice.UUCP (alice!llf)
Organization: New Jersey State Home for Bewildered Kittens

In article <1992Nov04.001842.2218211@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:

>I remember that I had held him non stop for 6 weeks and she said, "Put that
>baby down and give him some space for himself!"  I couldn't believe she
>meant it.  ......  I thought I was being a wonderful mother.  My Mom's
>reaction was,
>"But you have to have a life of your own!"  All I can say is that 4 years
>.... answer is "Are you crazy?  When do you have time to give Mitchell
>all the attention he wants?"  You see, Mitchell wants constant attention.
>And why not?  As an infant he GOT constant attention.
>..... may well be thinking of the future, both yours and his.  For one of the
>disadvantages of being first born is an overabundance of parental attention.
>.... are expressing.  And I ignored all that unsolicited and unwelcome advice.
>And I lived to regret my mistakes.  I am a much humbler parent now.  And I

I'll second this.  I can already see the effects of not giving my child
space and time to herself, and the results of my giving her constant attention
when she wanted it as an infant, and the results of carrying her around all
day.  I'd like to go back and do any number of things over.  Not ignoring
advice I found unpalatable being one of them.  Learning the difference between
fussing and crying is another one.  Not, of course, to say that
you should neglect your infant, but there is a line, which you need to define,
where you should allow your infant to work things out on his own.

As far as parental advice goes, you need to decide what makes sense and what
doesn't, independent of the fact that it's your folks who are ragging on you.
When I get lectures about how I'm ruining their grandchild these days, I try
REAL hard not to react the way I would have as a teenager (after all, I've
theoretically matured some in the last 15 years...), but to try and whittle
things down to the essense of their message.  Usually, they're right (although
sometimes extreme).  And it galls to admit it.  And I sometimes get quite
obstinate about not agreeing with them, but in the end, the benefit of the
child is what matters.

>skills that 9 mo. olds can learn, but won't if us parents of first borns never
>give them the chance.

Yep.  And we assume that they can't do something, or don't understand.
They can achieve a lot if you expect it of them.  And you want to get into
the habit of expecting good things from them, because they will grow to
meet your expectations.

On the other hand, until you've had experience, it's HARD to know when the
advice you are getting is good or bad.  Hindsight is so much easier.

Lynda
-- 
					Member HASA, Atheist-Scum Division
"The One Horseman and Three Pedestrians of the Apocalypse" - Terry Pratchet
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:37:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.161544.7513@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:
>Alright people.  I am 26 yrs old, currently expecting our first
>child in January, and I'm also a BIG Metallica fan, in fact, the baby
>and I attended a Metallica concert, the ticket stubs are already in
>the baby's scrap book which we've started. I made and wore a shirt
>that says on it "Head Banger Under Construction" with an arrow
>pointing to my belly.  Yes I'm a head banger and *HOPE* my child
>and children are too :,).
>
>Direct Metallica questions to me.

Okay!  So, what's a head banger?

Sigh, I realized I was getting old when I, after not having cable for
5 years, I turned on MTV.  I didn't like it.  I've moved on to VH1.

Kathie

-- 
riggle@adobe.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: AMY.UHRBACH@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Amy Uhrbach")
Subject: re: fetal movement
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:17:01 GMT

Don't worry, my son Alex was doing karate inside.  He was so active, I felt
him at 14 weeks.  At 15 weeks the doctor didn't believe me, said it must be
gas, until she felt for herself from the outside!  By 5-6 m I had to pace
through meetings, or he'd go bonkers (knew they were boring even then :-)).

Also, I am convinced his activity level contributed to his being born at 33
weeks (although the OBs disagree).  I think he kicked so hard he broke my
waters!!  Then in the NICU, they called him wildman, he was so vigorous.  At
that point, we were especially glad of that.

BTW, at almost 3 he is not an especially active kid.  He is still very intense,
but more in terms of attention span (long), interest, etc.  He is less
physical than many kids in his nursery.  So maybe the activity level in the
NICU did reflect an "immature nervous system" like they said.  And he still
does many things (nonphysical ones) early :-)
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: Re: 20/20 and Spanking
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 13:49:37 GMT

In article <1758@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper) writes:
>In article <24944@optima.cs.arizona.edu> shack@cs.arizona.edu (David
>Shackelford) writes:
>
>>This was the high point of the show for me.  Those girls weren't
>>afraid of their father, they were afraid of the spanking.  IMHO
>>this is a good thing, as they are probably nearing the point
>>where fear of the spanking makes them do what they ought to.
>>That is the point of spanking -- to reach the point that you
>>don't need to because the children mind.
>
>Or, you THINK they are minding.  For me, being physically
>intimidated by my parents did not teach me to mind them...it
>taught me not to trust them with my physical well-being.
>So, I hid myself from them...and learned how to lie.
>This overwhelming fear taught me to isolate myself from
>them, even when I wasn't hiding any wrong-doing, because
>I just feared THEM.
>

	You have hit the nail on the head without realizing it.
	"Behavior training" is "habit training".  And is most usefull
	on younger children.  Good behaviour is as much habit as
	decision.  And training in making the right decisions a 
	habit is the goal.

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler)
Subject: Re: Incongruent discipline philosophies (Was: Re: 20/20 and Spanking)
Organization: University of Victoria
Distribution: na
Date: 11 Nov 92 06:16:19 GMT

shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller) writes:

>Having said that, and admitting that I've not followed the spanking
>debate very closely, I think a more important question is whether or
>not the children feel loved.  I think Karla Perdue hit it pretty well
>when she described the negativity that came along with being spanked,
>and the impact that had on her life.

>As a child, I felt like an intruder.  I didn't believe that I was wanted.
>I often felt that, had abortion been legal in the 50's, I might well not
>even be here.  I didn't think that anything I did was good enough.

>That was much more damaging than any of the spankings I got as a child.
>I tend to take too much responsibility.  I get depressed much too easily.
>I can be a perfectionist.  Worse, I'm a perfectionist with others: I nag
>my poor husband much too often about stupid little stuff.  On the other
>hand, due to feelings of low self-esteem, I also allow people to impose
>on, and even abuse me.  Talk about a paradox!

>Once the spankings stopped, the effect was still there.  I still felt
>all of the things I had before, and even felt guilty over my mother's
>death - wondering if giving birth to me had led to her early demise.

When my father was a boy his father used to spank
him every morning -- just in case he needed it
during the day.
From the time of my grandparent's divorce (when my 
Dad was 16) until his death 30 years later, Dad did 
not speak or have any kind of contact with his father.

My Dad only mentioned this "secret" from his
upbringing once, but was obvious that his father's
attitude (even more than the spankings) had
destroyed whatever relationship they might have had.
His sister was affected much more severely.
She is agoraphobic, living as a virtual recluse.
His younger brother was too young too remember.

Fortunately, Dad's upbringing taught him that this
was *no* way to parent successfully.

A IDLER
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: J.Osborne@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au
Subject: Re: newborns and cats
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 01:24:51 GMT

I could swear my cat (a neutered female of 6 years) knew what was going to
happen. When I came home from the hospital she just looked in the capsule and
sniffed - after that she took very little notice of young Jack. 

But she did start one unfortunate habit which led me to taking her to the vet
for advice - she started quite deliberately going to the toilet in the corners
of some rooms. The vet explained that this was territorial behaviour coming out
in her and prescribed progesterone tablets for her. This apparently had the
effect of making her feel more accommodating - maternal rather than territorial
- and after a couple of weeks her unpleasant behaviour had disappeared. I did
have to halve the vet's recommended dose, however, as the cat started to eat
like a pig - a side-effect of the progesterone. 

Anyway, all went well for months. My cat was a little unhappy at not having me
all to herself so I tried to make a time for her in the evenings to come and
sit on my lap. She would sometimes even squeeze onto my lap when I was feeding
Jack, making me feel very much the Earth Mother! Jack was delighted with the
cat, and if he was crying uncontrollably, her presence on the scene would
usually make him stop - I rather think she did it deliberately on occasions to
help me out. She did hate the noise of his crying, though. When Jack began to
crawl at 10 months, the cat was rather disturbed that she could now be followed
and usually tried to avoid being patted but she NEVER once even raised a paw to
Jack. My boyfriend's more boisterous neutered male cat - an occasional visitor
- has always taken a more active interest in Jack and doesn't mind being
stroked a bit. He once raised a paw and hissed at Jack when he was pestering
him, but no more than that.

Post Script to this story - sadly when Jack was 15 months old my cat just
disappeared. No-one down the road has seen anything of her, so whether she met
with an accident or just couldn't stand having to share me with Jack I can't
say. Jack loves animals so I'm thinking about getting a kitten after Christmas
- I'm just not looking forward to having to litter-train and potty-train at the
same time. I wonder whether I could just train both of them to use a box in the
laundry?  
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A Balanced Diet (Was Re: Halloween Stories)
Date: 14 Nov 92 01:33:49 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

> kperdue@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com (Karla Perdue) writes:
>   How do you handle preventing waste (the throwing out of
>   good food/drink that could have been easily used with better planning)?
>
> - This issue of waste is significant for me (another discussion) and I have
>   tried to follow a general rule "eat what you take".  She get a fair amount
>   of control over what she takes (the "eat what and when you want" program
>   would have me change this to give her complete control over what
>   she takes), but then has to eat that.

What's the difference between eating something you don't want, and
throwing it out?  I often have to tell myself that food is just as
wasted if I eat it when I didn't want it as it is if I throw it
out--and throwing it out is better for my figure and my digestion.

I realize that the issue is slightly different with a child who has a
habit of doing this (especially when you're paying for it), but I
would think you'd want to avoid the pitfall of having her think she
has to eat everything on her plate, even if it makes her sick.  (Of
course, that might be the way to get her to take smaller portions)

--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids