HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Re: Punishments
Date: 31 Jul 92 06:15:42 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
	<castigare@vadier.gr.osf.org>
	<1992Jul30.140659.15104@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>

ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
) emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
) >ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
) >>>Perhaps Grandmama will punish me for my lapse.)
) >>Get in line!  So many wicked children, so little time.
) >>Grandmama
) >
) >Well if rumour is to believed Grandmama's own alter ego ought to be one
) >of the first to be punished.  Seducing innocent young boys and forcing
) >them to perform Unnatural Acts at the Con, by all accounts.  Shameful.
) 
) Slanderous lies! My virginal purity is still in the closet where I left
) it for safe keeping!  

Why, Grandmama, your nose is growing and growing, right before my
very eyes.  I blush to say what it reminds me of.

I demurely sat down on a cushion near you, made an innocent
remark about the absence of the celebrated *BIG* *RED* *PUMPS*,
and fifteen seconds later---at most!---you had rushed leering
behind me, giving me a back rub.  How, how!, could I resist
such a devilishly handsome lothario?

) >,
) >Eamonn, an innocent young boy who is too far away to be seduced
) >	(or indeed punished)
) 
) For now......
             ,                                         , 
Oh, no, poor Eamonn.  Resist Bruno^H^H^H^H^HGrandmama, Eamonn.
________________
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:55:12 GMT


In article <archer.194@utkux1.utk.edu>, archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul27.142019.13916@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> >Who was trying to impress *you*?  Perhaps he was trying to get you
|> >to drop your smug "I'm not at fault so don't hassle me" attitude.
|> 
|> He's NOT at fault.  Why are you hassling him?

::sigh::

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Xref: sparky soc.motss:32570 soc.bi:9549
From: kinomon@glia.biostr.washington.edu (WhiteFire)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: On sex with men
Date: 26 Jul 92 16:01:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: glia.kinomon.712166474
Organization: University of Washington

In <1992Jul24.152026.24551@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>men. I've never been able to quite quantify it, and it seems related
>to the factor that they have children, though this isn't totally true.

I don't think so, the things you relate to later in your article see
common with the male lovers I have had. All BI. None who have had 
children as of yet.

>With bisexual men, there are several signals I get: one is
>detachedness, or perhaps relaxedness which isn't usually present in
>gay men. I'm not sure if it is because they are bi, or if it is
>because they are already affectionally bound to their wife. I don't

I can hardly say if its not true of gay men, not having had a gay
lover, but I don't think it has anything to do with having a wife
either... most of my lovers have not had an established female 
partner.
Relaxed is perhaps the best word. Perhaps laied back, something I notice
in the BI comunity in general.

>A third is that bi men definitely react differently to male bodies.
>This is the most difficult to qualify. Most bi men I've had sex with,
>for instance, don't get that worked up over a muscular chest, while a
>lot of gay men are quite stimulated. Bi men seemed to enjoy sucking a
>cock in a way different from gay men; comfortable, savoring pleasure
>vs. pleasure with an edge of abandonment to obsession.

Well, its quite true that I find a avrage to even slender build
attractive, rather than muscular. Perhaps its beacuse I prefer
people who are laied back. :) I agree about enjoying "cock sucking"
in that way. I have also found BI females more willing and even wishing
to 'give head' than their straight counterparts. Oral sex seems more
popular with BI's, at least in my experiance.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: all you fags out there!!!!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 09:56:54 GMT

Yeep! Bummer about the break-in. That's happened before, hasn't
it? Oh well, I actually thought the forge was a pretty cute post.

--
John Dorrance    ** Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico **    thaaang@odin.unomaha.edu

		I always thought of you as my brick wall
		   Built like an angel, six feet tall.
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Editor-in-Chief of THE ADVOCATE Resigns!
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:30:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Jul28.113003.19368
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <p7yxyn#@rpi.edu> buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>
>
>The Los Angeles Times reported on Friday that Richard Rouillard,
>Editor-in-Chief of THE ADVOCATE, the national gay and lesbian bi-weekly,
>had stunned staffers by resigning on Thursday July 23.
>
>No reason was given. Anyone hear about this and have any inside dish?

He will probably take over where Tina Brown left off in Vanity Fair
(giggle).  I'll see if I can reach him. It may just be because he was
tired of an incompetent staff (he has had tremendous problems), that
their plans to go international were squelched by the board of
directors (it was supposed to have happened a year ago) or "Freedom
Publications" is going under. He's quite a nice guy, and great for
unpublishable gossip that came through the offices.

-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
Xref: sparky soc.motss:32733 talk.politics.misc:36255 alt.individualism:4663 alt.activism:13620
From: cedman@714-725-3165.nts.uci.edu (Carl Edman)
Subject: Re: Gayspace
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
Reply-To: cedman@golem.ps.uci.edu (Carl Edman)
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:16:59 GMT

Jack Hamilton writes
> Carl Edman writes:
> > Are you _really_ unable to make a better argument ? In that
> > case, I will ask   you not to follow up to this post.
> 
> That and 50 cents will buy you a coffee.  What makes you
> think that he will pay any attention to you, or even that he
> should?

Usenet tradition, maybe ? Or at least tradition of debate ? That when you make  
an argument and someone else makes a counterargument, you either concede or  
refute. Or at least the understanding that tens of thousands of people are  
reading this who really couldn't care less about you or me, but who might be  
interested in a good argument. 

> > In case you just misunderstood me, I'll try to make my
> > point once again without   using any stylistic devices. Do
> > you think that it is right if the government   uses taxpayer
> > funds to make political messages ? If so, do you also think
> > that   this is right if the government uses its fund to
> > propagate political messages   with which you disagree
> > but which are supported by the local majority ? To give   a
> > simple example, would you consider it right if George
> > Bush used federal   government funds to pay for his
> > re-election campaign ?
> 
> Are you really so out of touch with reality that you think
> he doesn't?  Not directly, probably, but certainly
> indirectly.  

Really ? How does he do that ? Certainly not by public financing, because his  
challenger gets the same $55 million he gets.

In either case, that was not the question which I asked. What I asked was  
whether _you_ approve of a majority government using taxpayer funds to pay for  
its own political purposes. Or maybe that you would find it as outrageous as I  
find it when somebody else does it.

	Carl Edman
From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Private Lives, Public Battles
Keywords: Phobe Alert
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:10:28 GMT


It seems that one of the main things to do is to get religious leaders
to testify FOR the ordinance--as many as possible. Also, P-FLAG usually
has a good effect. Electing the write City Council members usually helps! :-)


-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 54 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. `D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8919 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"When Jesse Helms filibusters an [AIDS] research bill, I want to scream 'You
idiot! It's going to take us out as a species!'" -- Robin Williams.
From: pst@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Stephen Thomas Iii)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: new hankie codes?
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:41:57 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

In article <1307@dosbears> drp@dosbears.uucp writes:
>I doubt if the hankies were club related, since they weren't both wearing
>the same color. If they were wearing earrings, 501 jeans, black Reeboks,
>and the hankies, then they are undoubtedly straight boys trying to look
>cool.
>
I was posting this to see if there was some new code out amongst the young
straight crowd.  I mention it because the hankies were so prominently
displayed.  When they came into the joint, the hankies were hanging for all
the world to see, and as they switched pockets, the continued to be displayed
prominently.

I wanted ask them if they knew what they were flagging, but was afraid that
if I did explain, I'd have my faced punched.

Peter Thomas
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Don't write NAMBLA today
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:29:45 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Jul19.033020.13127@panix.com>, roy@panix.com (Roy Radow) writes:
> In <54450@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> phi@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Steven Mancini) writes:
> >lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
# ##Q. Whats the difference between NAMBLA members and Catholic priests?
# ##A. NAMBLA members ask first.
# 
# How true.  Father Ritter (hypocrite of the year/member of Pres. Nixon's
# Commission on Pornography/founder of Covenant House) always went out of
# his way to distance himself from NAMBLA.
# 
# If he had become a member perhaps we could have helped him be more 
# comfortable with who he was and taught him some lessons in consideration, 
# tolerance and improved human relations.
# -- 
# Roy Radow		roy@panix.com         ...rutgers!cmcl2!panix!roy

Except the accusation against Ritter evaporated when it became
obvious that the accuser was lying up a storm.  Ritter's eventual
departure from Covenant House was because of financial irregularities,
largely the result of insufficient attention to the nepotism involved
with contracts.

The only lesson that NAMBLA needs to be taught involves prison time.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"Well, maybe the Holocaust was right *for that culture*." -- a moral relativist
with whom I work.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: the b-word
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 20:11:36 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark):
> Oh, that's a relief, I was afraid you were going to make me degrade
> myself in public to win your affections.  :-)

private, get down on your knees and give me 50!  oh, and you better
get your latest note to sgt. dixie flame by 16:30 hours, or else
i'll give you breeder duty and won't let you wear the ruby slippers
after dinner!  am i making myself clear?
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the b-word
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:36:33 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) asks:
>In article <711750113@macbeth.cs.duke.edu> kirk@cs.duke.edu (Scooter Corleone) writes:
>
>>The group was requesting dildos since the islanders were confused
>>by simulations, and thought that they were supposed to actually put condoms
>>on bananas or corncobs before they engaged in sex.) 
>
>So why are they asking for dildos, I wonder?  Won't they just have
>people putting condoms on dildos before having sex?
>
Probably so they'll have some place to put the condoms when they eat the
bananas.
From: sfsmith@pennsas.upenn.edu (Sandy F. Smith, Jr.)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Paging John Dorrance...
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:35:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Got your e-mail, and you obviously got my first reply.  But my followup
e-mail to your current host (cwis@unomaha.edu) keeps bouncing.  I sent
a note to you @odin.unomaha.edu -- if that is not a valid address, please
let me know via e-mail.  In the meantime, you might want to check w/your
sysadmin about your e-mail on cwis....

Cheers,

___________________
Sandy F. Smith, Jr.
Graduate Division, School of Arts and Sciences, University of Pennsylvania
16 College Hall, Philadelphia, PA 19104-6378.  (Opinions mine, not Penn's)
Internet: sfsmith@pennsas.upenn.edu
 
"The God I serve don't make no trash!" -- Rev. Emanuel Cleaver, Mayor, City
of Kansas City, Mo.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
From: whg@INEL.GOV (William H. Gray)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Reply-To: whg@INEL.GOV (William H. Gray)
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Lab
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 13:55:02 GMT

In article <18845@drutx.ATT.COM>, dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL) writes:
   ...
|> What is amazing is how common it is among people, who have failed in
|> their own right, to believe the myth that these failures came as a
|> result of straight white men organizing networks to keep others down.

Actually,  it's SWM's WHO WEAR GLASSES.  Notice in pictures of power structure types
how many of them are wearing glasses.  It's a conspiracy of visually challenged middled
aged white males against everybody else.  When George Bush was a pilot,  he didn't wear
glasses,  but as soon as his eyes started to go,  he joined the conspiracy.
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From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Coming out online
Date: 22 Jul 92 06:47:31 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <1992Jul22.012149.26425@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>
>Unfortunately, as Usenet gets out to the masses it will become
>diluted.

*Again*!?!?

--
       David R. Preston  drp@dosbears.uucp dosbears@netcom.com
          We're here, we're bored, but we won't be ignored!
   B4 f+ t- k+ s-/+ r P8/4 S6 b+/- g- l-/+ y- z/! n o+/++ x a+ u v-- j++
          D. R. Preston 584 Castro St. #614 SF CA 94114 USA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: chuckm@dakota.tcs.com (Chuck Meares)
Subject: Re: "Reverse" discrimination by NAGAAA
Followup-To: chuckm@tcs.com
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:38:18 GMT

As a member of NAGAAA for the last 9 years I can tell you of more than one 
arguement over this rule.  In fact every year it is the one issue at the NAGAAA
meetings that can literally take up to 1+ days of 'discussion'.

The rule was origionally put in place to stop teams from 'stacking' their roster
with strayt players.  Whether or not you believe strayt players are better than
gay players, the fact remained that the strayts intimidated many gay softball
players to the point that the gay players wouldn't come out and join the 
league.  You wouldn't believe how many times I have personally heard the state-
ment 'oh, you allow strayt players?  Then I'm not going to play'.

I have played on teams that have won the Gay Softball World Series in 1989
(L.A. Griffs) and 1990 (San Francisco, Uncle Berts).  While on both of those
teams, we competed with and beat the strayt teams at strayt tournaments.  In
fact I still play for Uncle Bert's here in S.F. and we not only won the GSL and
will be in L.A. for the World Series, but we also managed to finish 2nd in the
strayt league.

I'm not saying that the rule is 'good'.  In fact my personal feeling is that if
a strayt player is going to come out to an openly gay league AND support the
community and league at fundraisers, that person should be allowed to play at
all levels of gay competition.  BUT I am not in the majority within the NAGAAA
membership.

Chuck Meares

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Gay martial artists (was Re: aikido!)
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:18:55 GMT

In article <l7gctqINNsnf@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> In article <1992Jul30.131941.1755@stiatl.salestech.com> 
> rwt@stiatl.salestech.com (Roger Terrell) writes:
> > [I'm cross-posting this into rec.martial-arts from soc.motss on the chance
> > that there might be some readers there who have an interest, and because
> > of the recent "bigotry in the dojo" thread there.]
> 
> How *sweet* of you!  
> 
> --Arne, irritated beyond belief at these goddamned cross-posts,

  Now Arne, darling, you are forgetting to chant your mantra:
"I'll just type 'k'". Seriously hon, have you considered getting
fucked? You've been awfully crabby lately.

-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
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From: stine@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM (John P. Stine x7381)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: "Reverse" discrimination by NAGAA
Keywords: Discrimination, NAGAA
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:11:46 GMT
Reply-To: stine@stars.reston.unisys.com (John P. Stine)
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Paramax Systems Corporation, Reston, VA

The North American Gay Amateurs Association (NAGAA) conducts,
among other things, a Gay World Series of softball tournaments.
Participants in these tournaments include gay softball leagues
nationwide.

One of NAGAA's bylaws states that heterosexual individuals may
not participate in NAGAA events.  I don't have a copy of NAGAA's
bylaws, so I can't quote them directly.  The DC Sports assocation
is participating in the Gay World Series this year, and they're
being forced to disallow participation by heterosexuals who
have participated in the softball league throughout the season.
As a side note, the DC Sports Association allows heterosexuals
to participate in accordance with DC's anti-discrimination
ordinance.

I understand that there are many sides to this issue.  GLBO* folks
want to have a queer-positive environment in which to enjoy each
others' company and have fun.  On the other hand, by explicitly
discriminating against heterosexuals based solely upon their sexual
orientation, I feel that NAGAA is contradicting the very spirit
of the civil rights movement being led by GLBO* folks.  I want
an end to discrimination based upon sexual orientation, and
perhaps unfortunately for NAGAA, that works in both directions.

So, I come to my question.  I don't have any information about
NAGAA - where it's located, its mailing address, etc.  I'd
like to contact them to find out exactly how their bylaws are
stated.  If you've ever heard of NAGAA, or better yet, if you
have their mailing address, please e-mail me.  I've exhausted
the resources to which I have access, save UseNet.

Please help me if you can.  I would welcome discourse on this
sensitive subject, as well (as always).  My newsfeed is most
tenuous - please cc any responses to e-mail.  Thanks!

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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Results from the Con Part I
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:03:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Jul29.180309.25373
Organization: insert anything here


	The answers/decisions from the meeting of the motss.cabal held
at the .con.  Note all answers are final.  Note that I am only typing
this in as they are channeld from Waldeaux, to preserve anonymity as to
my cabal membership status... :-)  Waldeaux's credentials are of course
untouchable....  :-) [they're conceptual credentials....]

OK --- here goes (where'd I leave my mantra?)

	 1:  Yes.
	 2:  Dorothy Parker
	 3:  No, well, mostly no - it depends on the circumference...
	 4:  YES!
	 5:  See #4.
	 6:  No.
	 7:  No.
	 8:  No.

	 9:  No.
	 A:  No.
	 B:  Are you tired of asking this question yet?
	 C:  Yes, but only with the *BIG**RED**PUMPS* in the tapedrive FIRST!
	 D:  Yes.
	 E:  unresolved - disk quota exceeded
	 F:  Probably a perl script - or 6502...
	10:  Not relevant

	11:  42,592
	12:  0xA660
	13:  \0123140
	14:  1010011001100000 - but they're all the same anyway...
	15:  a bear (or 3 smurfs), an avocado, & 3 tsp. of green Kool-Aid
	16:  Not even with J*ss* H*lms' dick
	17:  Well, if he has one.
	18:  Yes, but starting at next year's con

	19:  Oh, puhleeze...
	1A:  [struck from record]
	1B:  Dolores
	1C:  It requires singing most of Das Rhinegold backwards.
	1D:  Yes, but I'm not sure about System V
	1E:  OK, but be careful about the pods
	1F:  Only Waldeaux's hairdresser knows for sure

	It goes without saying that those people NOT at the .con
are no longer in the cabal... (you know who you are... :-) --- the locks
at the Alice B. Tolkas Parkway  Bar and Grill will of course be changed
in the near future...  The complimentary Sparcstations and cheese cutters
are of course yours to keep...
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