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From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Re: Cheap death.
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:22:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.140557.15294@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>How much does cyanide cost?
>
>Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
>I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
>The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.

	Cyanide can be found in some 'free' places.  Cyanogenetic
plants are a free source of hydrocyanic acid (unless you buy the plant
from a garden store...).  A cupful of apple seeds should do the trick.
So how much does a few dozen apples cost from an orchid at the peak of
apple season?? (the apples don't have to be edible).


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From: gryphon@wpi.WPI.EDU (M-5)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: The last of that damned desperate attempt thread (I hope)
Date: 12 Sep 1992 20:16:14 GMT
Organization: RecursionCo.: We'll do it again and again and again and again a
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	There is something in each of us that wants us to be Unhappy.
	It creates in our imaginations problems that don't yet exist--
	quite often causing them to come true.  It exaggerates problems
	that are already there.  It reinforces low self-esteem and 
	lack of respect for others.  It destroys pride in workmanship,
	order, and cleanliness.  It turns meetings into Confrontations,
	expectations into Dread, opportunities into Danger, steppings 
	stones into Stumbling Blocks.  It can be seen at work in grimaces
	and frowns, which pull the muscles of the face forward and down,
	speeding the aging process.  It contaminates the mind behind the
	face with its negative energy and spreads outward, like a 
	disease.  And then it comes back, projected and reflected by
	other unhappy minds and faces.  And on it goes.
			--Benjamin Hoff, _The Te of Piglet_


I think what I'm trying to say is, I'm feeling much better now...

Life still sucks, nothing has changed, there is no improvement, and it's still
ripping me apart at the seams...but at least no one's directly against me. 
I managed to at least get rid of the paranoia.

So I guess that qualifies as feeling much better...

...or maybe not.  I dunno.

--G.

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From: U45301@uicvm.uic.edu (M. Jacobs)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: The North
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:19:16 GMT
 <1685C7AF7.EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1685C7AF7.EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>, EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu says:
>
>In article <92252.064413U45301@uicvm.uic.edu>
>M. Jacobs <U45301@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>
>>It's even better with the music.  Can ashers let go of that familiar
>>but painful direction?
>>
>           I'm real keen on looking north-by-northwest, myself
>   ;-) ;-))

Well, that's a start!  Watch out for low-flying aircraft though. ;)))
And hope that you don't lose your memory.  Perchance, do you resemble
Cary Grant?

Mary

P.S.  Funny, I am listening to "The North" right now in my headphones.
Elton's piano is so fantastic (IMHO) I simply can't believe it!
Astonishing!  Well that's enough positive feeling for now.  I don't want
to disrupt the prevailing mood of the group.  ;)))

Personal to EUCLID:  Say hello to Alma Mater for me will you please?
I miss her.

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| U45301@UICVM         |    not the view     | necessity of progress.   |
| U45301@uicvm.uic.edu |     of the "U"      | --  John Steinbeck       |
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From: anand@sybase.com (Anand Sathe)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday,alt.personals
Subject: Re: I said I'd tell you when....
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:07:10 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

>
>If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
>
	gosh i do believe humans !!
	be careful, michael i am a hungry humanist :)
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From: justin@mik.uky.edu (justin sullivan)
Subject: Re: The Miracle of Life
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 06:32:19 GMT

In <1992Sep12.225827.18341@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:


>Only the human mind can reason about the value of continuing one's life
>by assessing whether there is any hope left in the future.  Sure.  Whales
>are known, on occasion, to beach themselves and die.  But the mechanism
>that brought about this was not the result of conscientious reasoned thought;
>it was something beyond the whale's control although science still doesn't
>know why.
We would certainly like to THINK that whales are not smarter then we are..
I've not met a marine biologist yet who couldn't prove to me that whales
and porpoises are smarter then people.. There is of course, the opinion
of faulty whale sonar, but that doesn't quite explain why entire groups of
whales go to a lot of trouble to beach themselves en masse.. Almost like
'accidental deaths' involving 20 or 30 stab wounds.. :)
Of course, our instinct for survival is so great that we have gathered
enormous collections of weapons that, if used properly, can shatter the
very planet we live on. Arguably, the products of a species that may not be
so smart after all.. :)
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From: EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: The North
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:44:29 GMT

In article <92252.064413U45301@uicvm.uic.edu>
M. Jacobs <U45301@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>It's even better with the music.  Can ashers let go of that familiar
>but painful direction?
>
           I'm real keen on looking north-by-northwest, myself
   ;-) ;-))
e.k.
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>| U45301@UICVM         |    not the view     | necessity of progress.   |
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Subject: Suicide Pact
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 21:38:00 GMT

During a recent visit, my darling Killi and I were sitting around
chatting..oh you know..like the tv commercials..with mother/daughter..
yeah..that was us..very typical..

things like..how would we like to dispose of our noisy neighbors..she
wanted to just shoot the perpetually screaming kid next door..and the
poor soul that coughs all night..well..maybe some..hemlock cough syrup,
and that f***ing opera singer...hmm a little throat spray with some
curare (sp?) added......you know..all the *usual*..chummy mother/daughter
stuff..;->>

Then Killi gets depressed cause there isn't a Nordstroms here..and I said
yeah..now what shall we do...much sighing..and no Neimans..I said..well
we nearly shed a tear over that one..I know she said..let's kill ourselves.

Now I said..?..uh..I havn't been to Paris..and I want to lose 10 more 
lbs..yeah yeah..she said..you're such a wienie....sigh..ok..I said..how
will we do it..you know I don't want to goof..she thinks driving a car
off of something will work..and I launched into my *usual* lecture..no
you just might be maimed..and what if you just sit around looking
ugly and drooling..she hates it when I say that..cause I told her if
that happens to her..I'll charge admission for people to make fun of
her..;->

So..she says..we'll drive off into the Grand Canyon..hey I said..sounds
great..no way could we live through that..but then I have to be dramatic..
ok..I said..you picked the way...now I want some drama..and stuff..ok
she says..so..I say..Let's do it during a beautiful sunset and we'll
get drunk and take tranqs..(she's not into drinking and driving;->>>)
and then when we are laughing ourselves silly..then we'll go for it.

Great!..she said..so it's settled...                           

Yes..just your typical mother/daughter chat..;->


-- 
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From: jholtgra@afit.af.mil (Jeremy C. Holtgrave)
Subject: Re: A Desperate Attempt
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 12:45:27 GMT

>Ah..what about attacking Lurkers..yes..that's it..why do you lurk..to you
>feed on our dispair..?...hope for one of us to actually do it..?..uh
>or it could just be the fascination of a freeway wreck..looking for a
>little blood?;->

Looking to see if there's anybody out there feeling the way we do.

"So you've found your solution,
 What will be your last contribution?"
       -Fool's Overture, Supertramp

=====================jholtgra@scgraph.afit.af.mil==============================
Jeremy Holtgrave     "Aye, aye!  and I'll chase him round Good Hope, and
Air Force Institute   round the Horn, and around the Norway Maelstrom,
of Technology,        and round perdition's flames before I give him
WPAFB, OH             up."                     -Captain Ahab, Moby Dick
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From: rlee@andy.bgsu.edu (Bob Lee)
Subject: Re: Current Results of the Poll about Life
Organization: Bowling Green State Univ.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:54:50 GMT

This question could just drive everyone NUTS! I know it drives me nuts! Who
knows what to believe? Is there a God, or isn't there? Is there a heaven?
Is there a hell? Do we have an immortal soul? What happens to our soul when
we die? Is there a special punishment for those who commit suicide?

One thing I was pondering this weekend was sort of in the theme of the movie
"Ghost". Try to imagine after killing yourself you rise out of your body 
(you're soul that is) and you're doomed to wonder around the world as a
ghost. Not being able to talk to anyone, not being able to touch anyone or
anything, and no being(s) of a higher nature to give you any guidence as to
what you are suppose to do and what is going to happen to you. And the worst
part about it is that you'll never be able to kill yourself again.

That to me seems like a possible fate for those who commit suicide. 
Sort of punishment for failing your "test", the test of living.

-BOB

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From: conibear@sol.carleton.ca (Dave Conibear)
Subject: Re: # 42
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 20:08:27 GMT

Nice job on the poem!  It's refreshing to read something that doesn't
sound like the typical teenage-angst poetry:  "Alone with my own
tortured soul/ I gaze into the gathering gloom,/ My spirit assailed by
thoughts of quietus and acne..."

Waiting for #43,

Dave                                           DQ_Conibear@carleton.ca
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From: jholtgra@afit.af.mil (Jeremy C. Holtgrave)
Subject: Re: A Desperate Attempt
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:16:44 GMT

Rock 'N' Roll Suicide, David Bowie

Time takes a cigarette, puts it in your mouth
You pull on your finger, then another finger, then your cigarette
The wall-to-wall's calling, it lingers, then you forget
You're a rock 'n' roll suicide

You're too old to lose it, too young to choose it
And the clock waits so patiently on your song
You walk past the cafe but you don't eat when you've lived too long
You're a rock 'n' roll suicide

Chev brakes are snarling as you stumble across the road
But day breaks instead so you hurry home
Don't let the sun blast your shadow
Don't let the milk floats ride your mind
So natural-religiously unkind

Oh no love! you're not alone
You're watching yourself but you're too unfair
You got your head all tangled up but if I could only
   Make you care
Oh no love! you're not alone

No matter what or who you've been
No matter when or where you've seen
All the knives seem to lacerate your brain
I've had my share so I'll help you with the pain
You're not alone just turn on with me
You're not alone let's turn on and be
You're not alone gimme your hands
You're wonderful gimme your hands
You're wonderful gimme your hands
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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 11:09:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.190247.15695@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu
(angela watson) writes:
>	Just crashing into the wall after wildly spinning about the
>room like a top...
>					Psycho kitten
>					(in the upswing of mania...)

Alcohol helps.  It won't change a thing, but for you'll feel better for
an hour or so.

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From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Re: Current Results of the Poll about Life
Organization: none 
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 19:30:15 GMT

In article <BuJ5vF.KJ9@andy.bgsu.edu> rlee@andy.bgsu.edu (Bob Lee) writes:
> [philosophical questions deleted]
>One thing I was pondering this weekend was sort of in the theme of the movie
>"Ghost". Try to imagine after killing yourself you rise out of your body 
>(you're soul that is) and you're doomed to wonder around the world as a
>ghost. Not being able to talk to anyone, not being able to touch anyone or
>anything, and no being(s) of a higher nature to give you any guidence as to
>what you are suppose to do and what is going to happen to you. And the worst
>part about it is that you'll never be able to kill yourself again.
>
>That to me seems like a possible fate for those who commit suicide. 
>Sort of punishment for failing your "test", the test of living.
>
>-BOB
>

	Of course, you might be doomed to walk the earth alone as a ghost
anyway... at least you got to chose how you died.  I'd prefer to be
a banshee... if I was a ghost (and retained my memories) I'd certainly
spend the rest of eternity screaming my non-lungs out. If living is
a test by some god, I hope it grades on a curve...

					
						AMW

 
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From: fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fergus James HENDERSON)
Subject: Re: I said I'd tell you when....
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:00:01 GMT

megazone@hongkong.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:

>If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?

Um, humanitables?

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From: tls@brspva.enet.dec.com (Tim Short)
Subject: Re: I said I'd tell you when....
Reply-To: tls@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Organization: Superconducting Supercollider Laboratory
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:14:41 GMT




 ##############From: megazone@wpi.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23):

#################################################################
# I have one prejudice, and that is against stupidity.  Use your mind, think! #
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Is this morally justifiable? After all, stupid people are born that way;
they can't do anything about it exactly in the same way they can't help
it if they have white skin...

talk to plants or be a greenist.
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From: alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler)
Subject: Re: Current Results of the Poll about Life
Organization: =>ESKIMO NORTH (206) 367-3837 SEATTLE, WA.<=
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 06:19:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.223131.17150@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.180609.4755@eskimo.celestial.com> 
>alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler) writes:
>>   What was the state of the universe before the big bang?  How did the
>>material for the big bang show up in the first place?  The universe exists
>>inside of infinity.  Infinity is an awful big number.  (Beyond the real
>>comprehension of our limited stupid human brains)  There could be lots of
>>other universes.  Maybe new universes are being formed all the time.  Maybe
>>when this universe ends a new one will form on its heels.  If there was a
>>cold dead universe outside the perimeter of our current universe there is
>>no way that our current scientific instruments could detect it.

>Ahem.
>I don't believe in Santa Claus.

    I'm not sure what it is you are disbelieving.  This universe happens
to exist.  How did it come into being?  By magic?  C'mon, it's pretty silly
to say that existence only happened once and only will happen once.  Both
time and space are infinite.  It is quite reasonable to believe and speculate
that there are numerous universes in existence now, there have been numerous
in the past, and there will be numerous in the future.

>>   And still, even if we are limited to this one doomed to die universe
>>we could be reincarnated millions of times before it is done.  A million is
>>in fact a bigger number than most people can comprehend in real terms.

>True.
>But how would you feel if you were living your 1,000,000th life?

 Well, if the purpose of reincarnation is to keep on living again and again
until you "get it right", I would think that after a couple hundred
thousands lifetimes you would have tried pretty much everything there is
to try and likely would have lucked onto the right path by then.
If the purpose of reincarnation is to keep on living forever and ever
over and over again without end, that seems pretty silly.  But then who
knows the whims of infinity and immortality?

-- 
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From: gryphon@planet10.WPI.EDU (M-5)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: A Desperate Attempt [SC]
Date: 9 Sep 1992 23:32:18 GMT
Organization: RecursionCo.: We'll do it again and again and again and again a
NNTP-Posting-Host: planet10.wpi.edu

In article <18ltmgINNato@bigboote.WPI.EDU> megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
>In article <18jvvuINNnjn@agate.berkeley.edu> jaffray@zippy.sonoma.edu writes:
[stuff deleted]
>
>>seeing the many fascinating people who inhabit it... for Megazone's 
>>amazingly good poetry and stories, for Set's too-rare fragments of
>
>Wow! I'm honored. I'm glad you like them.
>

awwwww...

:-)

I'd post _my_ poem, too, but the subject matter just doesn't match...

>>I'm a pretty happy person, and as such ASH does not belong to me.
>
>You do not have to be suicidal to talk about it. 
>

But it helps.  For example, Zoner isn't truly suicidal...but it gets him
chicks.  :-)

>>Best to leave it in the hands of those who it is suited for.
>

The newsgroup, or suicide?  Yeah...it's kinda silly to kill yourself if you
don't want to.  (All the other kids are doin' it...naaah.)

>a.s.h blongs to no one. Over the years there have been several gods, lords,
>rulers, etc, of a.s.h, but a.s.h can never belong to anyone. It is its own
>entity and we are all but cells in its body. If you ever feel that you have
>anything to add, please, don't feel that your ideas don't belong.
>

That's nice of you, Zoner, but like I said, the content of "When Magic Dies"
just wouldn't fit here.  I'd start getting those "please refrain from posting
inappropriate messages" mailings...

...yeesh, USENET...

[This post has been Smiley Captioned.  The Smiley Captioning system ensures
quality newsreading for the humor impaired.  Just look for the [SC] symbol.]

:-)  ;)  =|-]  ;-)  :)  8^}

--G.

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From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Cheap death.
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:05:57 GMT

In article <BuLLKt.K7v@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Chris Luchini) writes:
>What is the cheapest way to shuffle off this mortal coil, kick the bucket,
>dance the last tango, etc? Now, to keep this interesting, you must buy
>_everything_ you use to do the deed. For example, if you choose hanging, you
>must buy the cord, as well as any other implements (ie bucket to kick over, toll
>to pay to get to the middle of the Bay Bridge, etc). Also the deed can not
>be free: no jumping out of your 8'th story window, no jumping in front of
>trains or trucks.

But those aren't free.  You must pay to have a building built, or purchase a
train or truck.

How about this one:  Get a basketball pump ($8) and a leather punch ($1). 
Poke a hole in a vein in your leg and pump your heart full of air.
Total cost:  $9

How much does cyanide cost?

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
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From: EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday,alt.personals
Subject: Re: I said I'd tell you when....
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:12:30 GMT
Organization: C.C.S.O.

In article <9225303.23371@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fergus James HENDERSON) writes:
 
>
>megazone@hongkong.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
>
>>If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
>
>Um, humanitables?
                     Hmm. So if something is divided into 4 parts, each
called a quadrant, and something cut into 8 pieces is referred to as having
octants, is something divided into 10 pieces an example of decandence? ;-]
e.k.
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