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From: friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Shielding <was: Re: Empathic question>
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:28:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In <BtzLK0.LGw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes:


>Eddie posted three very nice visualisations for shielding.  I will give them to
>students of mine, but I will never use them myself.  Why?  Because I am
>Tactile/Kinesthetic rather than visual.  This is not a put down toward Eddie,
>but I felt it important to point out that the visual methods are not the only

[Stuff deleted]

One of the reasons most books use visual schemes as the dominant or sole mode
is that about 87% of the population used visual senses as their primary mode.
therefore, the vast majority of authors probably know no other mode.
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From: abraham@hydra.unm.edu (Abraham McCollough)
Subject: Re: Empathic question
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 21:03:40 GMT
Organization: psychohazard

In article <1992Sep3.040419.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>
(A great deal of deletion.  My apology if any of it was hastilly done.)
>
>So I guess the question comes down to this:  what steps whould the accused
>take? Is she the one being attacked, and should she protect herself magickally?
>Or did she also perhaps attack? If so, what can she do to try to avoid this?
>Any action is going to depend on her, as he is unlikely to be willing to take
>steps to protect himself, and contact is definitely going to continue.
>
>I apologize for questions for which I am sure the answer is patently obvious,
>but I am myself unfamiliar with the topic. My knowledge of dealing with others
>on an emotional level is quite basic, as I am highly introverted (interpersonal
>relations? What's that?).
> 
>--Semhaza


Some years ago (as some of you kind folk may recall) I gave up my practice of
magick as an activity that posed too many risks for me personally.  Since
that time, this is the type of issue with which I find myself concerned.

The original "attack" was not one involving any definition of "ritual".  By
certain definitions, then, it was not a magickal attack.  Is the harboring
of resentment by a lover a magickal occurance?  Certainly it is the kind of
feeling which will manifest itself in many ways, both physical, emotional
and spiritual.  A magickal solution to the problem, however may not be
appropriate.  Again, this harks back to the "love spell" issue.  To what
degree would a focused ritual intended to affect this relationship be a 
violation of the partner's will?  

It would seem to me that the more appropriate answer would be to resort to
either purely reflective magick (such as meditation on the said relationship)
to gain greater insight into the source of resentment and original fight or
(my preference) purely mundane channels such as talking it out.

I take it from the previous posts that this is not an hypothetical question.
As such, the answer of shielding may be an adequate stop-gap measure.  It is,
however, merely treating a symptom; the ethical considerations in using 
ritual magick to cure what I percieve as the base problem bear greater
discussion.  I, myself, find them prohibitive.

As always, e-mail is greatly appreciated, and I hope that I have given no 
offence.

Abraham
From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: AGLA
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:23:17 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <JOSHUA.92Aug28170950@bailey.cpac.washington.edu> joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes:
>
>In article <J1J8PB1w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill
>Eichman) writes:
>
>>   Anyone have any opinions of the jewish use of 'amen'?
>
>it's an old semitic word. it's in arabic as well as hebrew. the christians,
>in fact, borrowed it from the jews (muslims use it too; at least they came
>by it honestly).

	I remember my Fater telling me, way back when I was a christian, that
it meant "Let it be so."
	If this is true, it would be humourous in it's similarity to the 
wiccan and Magical "So Mote It Be"

					D
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: mcmorris@vet.vet.purdue.edu (brandywine)
Subject: about attacks and so forth as they pertain to empathy
Organization: Purdue University SVM
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:57:43 GMT


about attacks and so forth....
well, I finally got to read some news, and there seemed to be an
important question about attacks using empathy, attacks by empathy and
attacks not meant to be magickal.

not to long ago, I was being probed by psychic vampires who wanted to
feed on my energy.  AS that they were being bothersome and hurting
many of my friends, I set up some pretty major shield.  I have a
general rule against attacking and have only ever used shield blasts
(more like, and expansion of my sheild returning the attck sent at me)
to stop the attacks.  

but, it was still considered an attack, and it got a little messy for
a while.

however, between lovers, especially where one is envolved in magick,
it can be very bad. (esp. as that I am in the under 23 crowd of
females for about another 5 months)

what happened is that my SO and I were in a fight one night when we
had both been drinking.  Because he would not listen, and he was
lying, I started to gather energy to blast him into seeing the truth.
I stopped as soon as I knew what I was doing. (you see, I *knew* he
was lying about what he felt because I could feel what he felt. It
drove him up the wall that I could do that. It drove me up the wall
that he couldn't do the same)

anyway, I swalloed the energy, burnt out myself, and took about two
weeks to recover from the attack on myself.

so, this little story may noy mean much to you, but what I can say is
that it *IS* possible to attack via empathy. It is possible and
probably and really hard to avoid when you are in the "red zone" of
out of control anger.

Fortunately, I did. It had some pretty bad mundane affects too.

WHile he and I were together, he delt with the fact that I am
"magickal" ( i tend to believe I don't have a choice about the matter,
as that I have tried to quit before unsuccessfully) rather well.  He
understands much better after long talks when I was calm.

THe warning I give myself, and anyone who cares is: we are responsible
for what we do.  I drink very little anymor (and this was a decision I
made before this incident. it can happen to the worst of us at a
party) because I know it can happen.

just a story to show you what can happen.....
-brandywine

ps  I am still not back at full strength and any cleansing rituals
would be appreciated or ideas on how to realign my channels
From: audit036@spacm1.spac.spc.com (David.L.)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Empathic question
Date: 2 Sep 92 09:26:19 PDT
Organization: Security Pacific Automation Co., LA, CA

In article <1992Sep2.121257.5400@samba.oit.unc.edu>, eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett) writes:
> In article <1992Sep1.231506.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

> etc.  Bullshit.  Adequate defenses exist
		   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 Would you be so kind and provide a pointer ? reference work ?
--
---->	audit036@spacm1.spac.spc.com
David L.
From: cranmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Unicursal Hexagram AND Thoth Tarot
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:29:11 EDT

Hello,

spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes...

> Shawn Clayton Knight <knightster+@CMU.EDU> writes...
> >I also have Crowley's deck, and I was wondering what yinz all think of
> >his Unicursal Hexagram card (black w/ a Red Uni. hexagram and 5-petaled
> >flower).
> 
> The years must be telling on me--I can't recall such a card.  The closest
> thing to your description that I bring to mind is the Ace of Disks, which
> features a unicursal HEPTagram (one of those toy sigils of the A.A., that)
> and assorted other fooferah.

I think there must be a difference between either...

(a)  the Large and Small versions, or
(b)  decks sold in different countries, or something.

I just bought the 'small' deck a week ago in Philadelphia, PA (for about 14
bucks - yeesh), and there is no such card.
____________________________________________________________________________
   "Hold your fire -- Keep it burning bright..."

                                  Steve Cranmer
                                  cranmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
Subject: Re: Magic/magick/midget/maggot???
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:31:54 GMT

In article <krikket.6801@meltdown.chi.il.us> krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick) writes:

>In article <guest.74@dhhalden.no>, guest@dhhalden.no (.GJEST) writes:

>>No, it doesn't.
>>I still don't see the point in having alt.magic and alt.magick
>>               ---GH---

>In simpler terms...  alt.magic is used to discuss stage magic.  alt.magick is
>used to the practice of the real thing...


Got it.
From: rbruner@galaxy.decnet.lockheed.com
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Rune help?
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:59:06 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Palo Alto Research Labs

In article <1992Aug24.060253.15485@news.iastate.edu>, tncp9@isuvax.iastate.edu (D. Pendragon) writes:
> Hello all!
> 
> 	It is good to be back at the keyboard after spending so much time this
> summer working on yet another project of mine.
> 
> 	This summer I have through sweat, hard work, blood, and all that other
> terribly messy stuff managed to put together a solid full suit of plate 
> steel armor for use in my upcoming training as a fighter, thanks to the help
> of a good friend and artist.  I have decided to inscribe my own personal rune
> into the metal, after a short ritual, upon its successful testing Wednesday. 
> However, I would like to also inscribe protection and success.  I know what
> runes I would like to use, but I have never used runes before.  So I was
> wondering, what is a good method or ritual to use when inscribing them?  Is
> there some literature available out there you could suggest?  Does the tool
> (i.e. acid, engraving tool) used matter?
> 
> :-D :-D
> 	Do I have weird hobbies for a computer engineer or what?
> 
> Thanks in advance for taking the time to read and answer, even if it is to
> flame.  :->  
> 
> 	Be patient in awaiting my response...I'm still 126 messages behind in
> this newsgroup alone...
> 
> 
> -Chaleos
> 	(Pendragon) 
	Congrats on the armor, Deceration of the armor is a period thing to do.
However, some fighting groups don't like Magic used in the arina. The SCA is a
prime example, in the invocation of the lists for tournament, one is asked to
swear that one is NOT using any kind of Magic or spell ot wil the lists.  Care
should be taken so as to not make a wonderful suit usless in tournament.
	As far as the working of the spells and the rituals involved.  You are
asking the childself to invoke its power over magical forces.  Any thing that
childself can use as a prop or signal will assist in the process.  If you have
a tradition that you follow ask your leaders, that is what they are there for
and that is how you learn.  Lacking help other than this forum, do what feels
right, and write the steps down so you kmow what you did in the future.  If it
works, you will know what steps to take.  If it does not work, you have a place
to start to change things.  Above all BE CAREFULL OF WHAT YOU ASK FOR you might
get it, then what?

These are my own views, and not my employers
			The Blue Draggon.
From: dgd@csd.bu.edu (David Durand)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: herbal freedom
Date: 29 Aug 92 16:06:29 GMT
	<BtM9AE.3n7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <DGD.92Aug27121755@csd.bu.edu>
	<BtoCLA.5uL@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: Roberstool Research Labs
In-reply-to: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu's message of 28 Aug 92 03:34:21 GMT

In article <BtoCLA.5uL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes:

   What products have been seized?  Are they products which purport to address
   specific problems?
<stuff deleted>
 but I have seen much more quackery than
   honesty out there.  I have settled for buying individual ingredients and
   combining myself. 
		 Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
				  Br'anArthur

   Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

   Since these ingredients are used for non-standard health care, the
FDA wants to classify all herbal/nutritional substances not _approved_
byt the FDA as essential to nutrition as prescription-only _drugs_.
Thise means that mino-acids, ephedra, goldenseal, other
non-traditional treatments will not be available. At all. Unless you
get a prescription. Vitamin dosages, even for things like vitamin C
which are safe (as compared to vitamin A for instance) will be
required to be distributed in RDA increment dosages. So if you have
the _admittedly harmless_ belief that 1 gram of Vitamin C a day will
reduce colds/better satisfy your definitoion of good health, then
tough shit, take 10-20 pills a day. If you think that Phenylalanine
helps your depression, find an AMA guy who believes you (good luck).
This is far more than labelling. Once again, I'd recommand a query to
alt.drugs there's been a lot posted there on this -- admittedly they
have somewhat different reasons for caring about this.

    ---David Durand
   (followup set to alt.drugs)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Subject: Re: Learning Styles
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 03:46:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
: In article <1992Aug25.224828.21707@samba.oit.unc.edu>, shava@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Shava Nerad Averett) writes...
: >
: I've found over the years that a lot of people, particularly 
: women, are *afraid* of the computer and that inhibits their 
: ability to learn.  One of those "techno mystique" things.  When I 
: teach new users, whether they're secretaries or students, I'm 
: more concerned about them learning to feel comfortable and 
: self-confident than competing to see who learns it first/best.  

It is not just being afraid of computer. There are several things
like this that women will use IF they can excel at them. If they
are only average they will drop it. Never figured out why, just 
that it happens. I noticed it in Electronics. There weren't any 
girls after the first Quarter that didn't ace things. Girls with
B's would drop out because they just "didn't have the affinity...,"
while guys would continue on even with D's..


--
Mary E. S. Morris    |  The future exists first in imagination, then
mesm@netcom.COM      |  in will, then in reality. -- Galivan Burwell
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From: cward@Think.COM (Christopher)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Working in Groups
Date: 28 Aug 1992 15:31:46 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: galaxy.think.com

In article <13530.2a9d49c5@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, cranmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
|> Gotcha.  Sorry it took me a while to understand you.  Have you seen a book
|> called (something like) _The_Gematria_Handbook_ (or Workbook)?  Most of it
|> is tabulated letter/number tables (for those who can't add, I guess),
|> but at the end are some interesting diagrams, suggesting other types of
|> paths up the tree.

Never seen it.  Can you double check the title and give the author and 
publisher?

|> Whoa!  Are those US $?  There is a new paperback edition that runs for
|> $20, but with a new typeface and pagination, as well as a silly (I just
|> browsed it) new introduction by some Regardie-groupie.

The hardback book I'm talking about is about 3-4 inches thick and roughly
8x10" pages.  Apparently it was once printed in 4 volumes.  I've also seen
and earlier book Regardie published entitled The Golden Dawn System of
Magic.  This giant book has a yellow dust cover with black print and symbols.

--Christopher
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: mcmorris@vet.vet.purdue.edu (brandywine)
Subject: how to make a shield
Organization: Purdue University SVM
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:35:18 GMT

In article <avkn34f.mesm@netcom.com> mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris) writes:
>Shields were mentioned for protecting empaths during problems.
>Could someone summarize how to, or where to find info on this process?
>
hi everyone... I have been meaning to post this for some time, but I
have been so busy with the beginning of school. Tagi asked that I post
it instead of just mailing everyone, which was a good idea since I was
over come with requests. It is hard for me to put this into words,
because I usually teach magick in person and use the empathy to "show"
how it is done.

THe first step is to have a mental picture in your mind of the
substance of your shield.  It can be... ribbons, electronic field,
wood, stone, anything you like. However, as you picture your shield,
be sure there are openings that you can control.  It you become solid
wood, it would be difficult for anything to reach you.  Remember, you
are going for control.

once, I was semi-envolved in a battle and someone needed me to create
the shield for them. (actually, we were under attack.) the girl had
long hair, so I grew her hair out and wrapped myself like a ribbon
thru her hair.. It worked rather well, until she started attacking me,
which is another story.

the point being, pick something you relate to well, but give it
flexibility.

after you have a firm, detailed picture in your mind of your shiled,
you start putting the "power" into it.  Simply give it your name and
make it part of yourself. My normal shield is fairly permiable, since
I want to empathically recieve from my friends.  However, I also have
control valves (for want of a better discription) on them to make sure
I don't get too much.

as for empathic sending, I do very little of that. I receive mostly
and only send on a very controled basis.

after you have made the sheild and charged it, you have to, as least
once a day, check it and make sure it is okay. as time goes by, you
willl  check it less because it will become a part of you.  

I hope this helps. Please direct any questions to me via email,as that
I have very little time to read news and tend to only read via the
subject.

good luck to all 
-brandywine
From: small@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Peter Small)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: The pentagram
Summary: The human complex, the planet
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:29:12 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

In article <1992Aug31.200346.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> 
> Does anyone know the origin of the pentagram and its evolution into modern-day
> usages?

Concerning the pentagram...

Certainly there can be a lot to be said about the origins of the pentagram
and its use in the ancient cultures of the world.  It is found in Egypt, Persia,China,...  It was studied very heavily by Pythagoras and has been used up
until our time (seen in the red pentagram of the Soviet Union and the white
pentagram of the USA).  This symbol is connected to things which go beyond
our 20th century knowledge of ancient cultures and what they did with it which
are expressed in natural, cross-checkable ways and the evidence for this is
far-reaching and widespread.

Looking at the human design, the pentagram can be seen...  We
have five fingers on each hand, five toes on each foot.  Seeing, hearing,
smelling, tasting, touching,  the five senses.  There are five open holes
in the head, five vital organs.  And most obvious of all, five appendages
off the torso.  This is pointing to a certain natural
coding based upon the law of five,  the pentagram.

It shows up in the natural worlds as well.  Over two-thirds of wild flowers
have a five-fold symmetry, five lobed leaves.  The pentagram can be found
from the tiniest flower on the top of the tallest mountain all the way down
to the depths of the ocean where the star fish of five arms lives.  Something
about five and the human design and the planet...

It is the number of natural human planetary process.  The ancient Chinese
were using this when the built their healing and human maintenance system
upon the pentagram.  For as much as the physical representation of the 
human reflects the pentagram, so does the processing of electrics by 
the human follow its laws.  A human with a well-ordered 
and balanced pentagram is in excellent health, as viewed from the culture
of today.  It is in the first instance a robotic maintenence platform
from which, if balanced, the higher possibility of a human life can be
exercised.  It provides for the human the five planetary maintenance
electrical vigors from which health and well being is ensured.  Makes
me think on the quintessence and its relationship with human design
and purpose.

There is so much in this...

I hope that this gives you some idea of where the pentagram comes from
as a symbol which the human race has used throughout the ages.

It really is a vast territory to study (and yet it is only 1/3 of the
human possibility).

V



A
world today.
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From: eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun)
Subject: Re: Necromancy
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
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>>frisinv@alleg.edu writes:
: I don't know if this is the right place, but....
:    What is known about necromancy? Is it dangerous? I don't read this  
: group often, so email me the answers.
: 
: -----
: Vinnerd<<

The word Necromancy means "Divination by the dead" It is usually confused
with Black Magic Because the word for the dead and the black in Latin are
similar.

Originally it extends from the ancient term Khem meaning the Black which was
the ancient Egyptian name for Egypt. When said: Necromancy it meant the
divination of egypt. In Greek the term Khemestry or Alkhemy it also implied
the arts of Egypt. Since the spelling has been changed.

As it stands, the most popular views of this is in the works of John Dee in
his Actions with Spirits or "A true and faithful Relation of what pased for
many years between Dr. John Dee and some spirits." (London 1659)
and in Allan Kardek's Book of Mediums, Book of Spirits etc in the 1800's in
France.

Kardec introduced the popular ouija board or planchette, automatic writing
etc as John Dee introduced the conversation with spirits in a graveyard
where he did a lot of his experiments. Including of these spirits talking
backwards etc.

The most famous for conversation or prophecies with spirits is Nostradamus
whom allegedly found magical inspiration from a book called De Mysteriis
Egyptorum and in his quatrain First Century#2 he states:

La verge en main mise au milieu de BRANCHES.
De l'onde il noulle & le limbe & le pied:
Un peur & voix fremissant par les manches:
Splendeur divine. Le divin pres s'assied.

The wand in the hand is placed in the middle of the tripod's legs.
With water he sprinkles both the hem of his garment and his foot.
A voice, fear; he trembles in his robes.
Divine Splendour; the god sits nearby.

Is is dangerous? It certainly can be. Is 
 
How much is known of necromancy? A lot and yet not enough, and tyhen again
hardly nothing. Most people approach it in a terribly misleading way. Too
concerned with "power" and lacking a tremendous alliance with belief, they
usually fail as this "Egyptian art of divination" can be so self deluding
that many there has been the have ended up mad!

Eshin-Fun