HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gtoal@gem.stack.urc.tue.nl (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: bi(ish) book recommendation
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:00:42 GMT
Reply-To: gtoal@stack.urc.tue.nl
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

In article <1992Jul28.164058.10922@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
:tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) wrote...
:>Can anyone come up with a cunning plan to overcome the dollars-pounds 
:>conversion problem? 
:
:I'd like to second this request! (It would be nice if the conversion
:method didn't cost more than the original amount to be converted.)
:An electronic transfer would be ideal.  Anyone know of a financial
:institution that offers this?

pay by Visa or Amex.  Then make damn sure they charge at the
proper bulk rate.  Get a paper (FT is best) on the day you
make the transfer and write to them when the bill comes in
with a copy of that day's bank rate.  They don;t charge a
commission at all, and if you hassle like I suggest you get
*the* best exchange rate.

G
PS Ellen, this is *not* a good time for you to buy stuff in pounds.
(It *is* a good time for Tanaqui (and me :-) ) to buy stuff in dollars --
$240 for a 14.4K modem!  yeah!  (400 pounds over here is the cheapest...))
Xref: sparky soc.bi:9604 soc.motss:32639
From: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: The War Between Us
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:16:20 GMT
Reply-To: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

Ciaran McHale writes:
>	Bisexuals need to build their own community rather than try to
>	integrate with the existing lesbian and gay communities.

Uh, Ciaran, what do you think we've been doing?  You, know, with the
bisexual groups and conferences and newletters and books and videos and
newspaper articles and phonelines and pen-pal schemes and parties and
e-mail lists and newsgroups and summer camps and retreats and leaflets
and magazine articles and stuff?

Actually, I'd phrase it rather differently:

       Bisexuals need to build their own community and try to
       work with existing communities, including lesbian and
       gay communities.

What do other folk think?

Dave.
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                 A Boa Constrictor Turning Its Neck                     6/15
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: grinch@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Dave Ferguson)
Subject: Re: The Grinch Returns...
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 00:22:03 GMT

In article <16947@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Jul18.013218.25917@micor.ocunix.on.ca>
>grinch@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Dave Ferguson) writes:
>
>Hmm. Is this guy winding me up or is this guy winding me up? Why do you
>think I need to be in Canada sometime in August :-) ? Are you that lonely
>that you need to drag over someone you've never met (I assume we've never
>met - I don't recognise your name) or are you confusing me with someone
>else? Besides, having been to Toronto in August of 1990, I'm not coming
>unless you promise to turn the weather down :-).

How presumptuous of you...  Owen isn't exactly a common name, but I *do*
happen to know more than one.  But, since you're already wound up... c(-8

Since you asked, I *am* lonely here, what with only three friends from
Toronto having moved here.  E-mail is always welcome, but being employed
and all, I don't have as much time as I used to.  As for expecting you
in August, if you happened to be Owen ****** (and you know who you are
*wink*), you'd know what flight I've booked you on...

Sorry to burst your bubble, Owen of Acorn.

*e-hugs* anyway!!

Daemon
>
P.S.  Just out of curiousity, does anyone out there know how to get
peanut oil out of...oh...say, sheets?  This is *just* a hypothetical
question, you understand...


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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ D.C.X. Ferguson, "Daemon"          Industry, Science & Technology Canada   +
+ grinch@micor.ocunix.on.ca          Policy Sector                           +
+                                    Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA                 +
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: where the women are?
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:26:42 GMT
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Hi, everybody,
Somebody somewhere asked me to post this to soc.bi anonymously.

begin post:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't get it.  When I first decided that I wanted to take my interest
in women beyond oogling at penthouse and as I passed on the street
to actually trying to get one in bed with me, or at least to fist base,
I never knew it would be this hard.  How would I know who's who?  I have a tough
enough time picking the lesbians out of the crowd much less the bisexuals,
and I had no clue where to start.  In this town, just like every other town
I have lived in, I don't know where they hang out.  I don't know what their
signs are.  Oh, it's perfectly obvious where all the guys go; there's always
a "wall" or a certain bar.  But it's never been clear where all the lovely
women are.  I would see someone I thought might be, or a group that probably
were, but I never had the nerve to go up and ask.  I looked in the phone book
under "women", "lesbian" and "bisexual" and got no further than the Women's
Rotary club.  Not quite what I was looking for.  I found signs of one gay
bar, ventured inside and found noone who didn't have a penis.  I was
beginning to get desperate.  Don't even think about looking at the personals
I kept telling myself - I have always thought of personals as this totally
inhumane way of meeting people, and surely a friendly, not totally 
disgusting person like me would have some luck in person.  My favourite
restaurant is a free-spirited place, with a few hippies to boot and right
down-town at a good viewing spot, so I started hanging out there more often,
getting hooked on herbal iced tea and chocolate cake in the process.  I would
sit for a couple of hours checking out the passers by, hoping that something
miraculous would happen.  During these voyeuristic hours I began to realize
that even if I did see someone I had no game plan in the works.  If I could
tell she had a fondness for women, how could I tell she would be interested
in me?  Do women give each other the seductive eye, as I had been given many
times by men?  Do they approach, or do they hold their distance hoping for
some chemistry to fly inbetween.  Experienced as I was with picking up men,
I was absolutely and totally at a loss as to how to pick up the woman of
my dreams, were she to walk by at an opportune time.
I still haven't figured it out.  Is there any technique to this, or is it
all just luck?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
end post.

-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: kenj@kambo.corp.sgi.com (Ken ``Blackfur'' Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: John's sex life
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:55:40 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:

>Ken ``Blackfur'' Jones writes:
>>Hm...  And here I thought John was referring to _me._ *pout*  So how
>>many Ken's have there been, John?

>Now, now, don't pout -- you'll get premature crow's feet.  Of course
>you're the only one (the only Ken, that is).

*smile*  I feel much better.  Not that I'd be jealous if you do dally
with as many other Kens as you like (envious of them is more like it)
-- I just want all the juicy details!

>>Sounds as though life has been good to you since you've
>>moved to Hawaii.

>Time for a decent haircut;  I'm trying to let it grow out, but it's in
>those horrible middle stages right now.

Mine's been in those horrible middle stages for about three years now.

>Maybe that's why my social life has been so flaccid lately.

Then we need to do something to cheer your flagging... er... spirits
posthaste!  Anyone in the Honolulu area that could give John a lift? 
I can provide sparkling references!

>>BTW, it feels odd to banter on the newsgroup instead of the BISEXU-L
>>list.  soc.bi isn't my usual venue; it's easier to
>>skip articles here when I'm running short on time (like I have for
>>the past few weeks).  Whereas BISEXU-L, being a mailing list, is far
>>more intrusive and less easy to ignore.

>Will soc.bi be harder to ignore if I start talking about you here?

Definitely!  I just added you to my auto-select in nn.  Nary a post
of yours shall escape my attentions now.

>Funny how little overlap there is between the list and the
>newsgroup. 

Perhaps there are other folks like Sara (Hi, Sara!) who wrote:

>Which is precisely why I unsubbed from bi-l; a great place to be and I
>really loved it when there was no soc.bi but a newsgroup is so much
>easier to manage.

>Anyway do please banter away here, Ken, I always used to like your stuff
>on bi-l and it's nice when you drop bi and see us here on soc.bi.

*blush*  Now how did that get in there?

"Be seeing you!"

- Ken
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Rights or Privilege
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:35:04 GMT
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin

In <ALAN.92Jul29175958@pluto.osf.org> alan@osf.org (Alan Hamilton) writes:
>I have the same reaction.  I think of "privelege" as something beyond
>what everyone should have.  Therefore, "heterosexual privilege"
>suggests to me that heterosexuals shouldn't do those things because
>people shouldn't generally do those things.

Then using our (Alan and my) understanding of heterosexual privilege...

I assume we agree that being able to love who you want, whether it be a
motss or a motos, is a basic human right rather than a privilege.

In this case, all relationships should be treated equally. Thus, it is
not fair for a government to grant "extra benefits" (privileges) to some
relationships (motos couples in the form of marriage) but not others
(motss couples, relationships involving more than 2 people etc.).

[In case anybody is wondering what are the "extra benefits" of a state
santioned marriage, they are as follows: different taxation levels,
automatic visitation/custody/inheritance, insurance, etc.]

I guess that _some_ of the "heterosexual privileges" are really basic
human rights which are denied queer folk, while others really are
privileges in our understanding of the word.


<> There is an important distinction between prejudice and bigotry which
<> we often gloss over. Prejudice results from misinformation and lack of
<> exposure, and can be eradicated by education; bigotry is obstinate,
<> having begun as prejudice, but now blind and irrational.  The bigot
<> cannot be educated, because he/she actively refuses to give up his/her
<> blindness, even in the face of information.  --- Clay Bond

Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Look who's back - (was Re: Coming Out)
Date: 27 Jul 92 11:07:36 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen the Utterly Cute) writes:

>cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) wrote...
>>
>>Ciaran, jet-lagged and giggling at fond memories.
>
>Oh gawd - the vodka/cream/bbq-ripple/chocolate-whatever-it-was slurping
>navel monster and foot lavisher extraordinare is baaaaaak!

Aww, don't tell me there was some bbq-ripple at that party and I missed it!
(Not to mention the chance to lick it off Ciaran, or anybody). Not fair :-(


/jon (the other one who likes bbq-ripple)
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From: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Life does funny things sometimes
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:41:44 GMT
Reply-To: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

mvsaf1@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (steve-o) writes:
>	So I'm guilty of lurking while trying to resolve my feelings, what are
>	ya'll going to do about it?  Hug me? B^)

Yeah.  Take this ...
	<sleazy macho hug until your ribs almost crack>

Phew.  Sorry, I don't know what came over me.  I'm usually such
a quiet person...

Dave.
--

		    That's *Dr* Pervert to you!
From: sr09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SIMON NICHOLAS RUSSELL)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Well, here goes...
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:35:05 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Since I've been reading soc.bi for several months now, I feel it's about
time I posted something and got involved.  Having denied my bisexual identity
for somewhere in the region of thirteen years, and having only claimed it
during March/April of this year, this isn't exactly the easiest e-mail I've
ever composed.  I've e-mailed individual posters to soc.bi as steps towards
coming out more extensively, and I would like to thank them for their help and
support (they know who they are!).
That said, I suppose some sort of confession/biography is necessary at this
point--I'm 26, English (currently living in exile in Pennsylvania until the
glorious return of a Socialist Parliament--or Doomsday.  Whichever comes
soonest.), have long red hair (enroll me on appropriate lists as necessary),
and I am a doctoral student (english lit.).  Favourite comment on informing
old friend of my bisexuality:  "Well, you've always been a sort of dichotomous
person.  There's probably a place for you in folklore."  Perhaps I should let
my hair trail from an open window and invite passing prince/princesses to
climb up and rescue me.  Anyone?
Looking forward to talking with you at last, and (dare I hope?) an encounter
with the welcome wagon,

Simon.
From: gtoal@gem.stack.urc.tue.nl (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: 'women's' vs 'lesbian'
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:48:37 GMT
Reply-To: gtoal@stack.urc.tue.nl
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

In article <Bs40J7.D08@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> dbshapco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Brad Shapcott) writes:
>In other words, these people aren't stopping to consider the human emotions
>involved and the inherent worth of the human they are trying to put on the
>other end of that transaction.

If anyone wants to see the epitome of this attitude, there's been a thread
on alt.sex.wizards (I just read it for a friend, honest :-) ) for the
last few days where all the guys are saying how much they'd love a
threesome with the traditional hot horny bi babes...  (The thread is
something like 'There's an interesting thing')

If any of the soc.bi hot horny bi babes feel like a good flame, now
you know where to go...

G
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: 'women's' vs 'lesbian'
Date: 26 Jul 92 23:09:16 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <1992Jul25.173949.1279@amhux2.amherst.edu>
twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>Do you really think so?  Having seen how straight men deal with female
>bisexuality and lesbianism, I imagine that were I a bi woman, their
>actions would drive me further and further from relationships with
>men.  It seems to me that heterosexual men consider bi women even more
>sexually targettable than they do heterosexual women.

I have to admit to being guilty of this, to a degree. The thought that a
woman might be bi or lesbian makes her more attractive to me. I'm not aware
of actually having harmed anyone by this, and although it's obviously
extremely unfair to exclusive lesbians, if I do nothing about it and tell
no-one am I really doing any harm? Besides, if that's what makes me tick,
what am I supposed to do about it?

Owen.

The views expressed are my own and are not necessarily those of Acorn.
From: rhialto@cs.kun.nl (Olaf Seibert)
Subject: Re: Screaming Yellow (Re: The War Between Us (Long))
Organization: Intravenous News Addicts
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:25:49 GMT

In article <24293@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
>henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>>ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) wrote: 
>>->This iz anothar isue thet seperates our comminuties.  The spelling priveledged
>>->from the spellinng diverse.  
>>"differently-spelt."
>Speling-chalenjed, purhapps?

Spalling-tsjellensjt?
-- 
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  rhialto@cs.kun.nl
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: grinch@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Dave Ferguson)
Subject: Re: The Grinch Returns...
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 15:03:00 GMT

In article <17076@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>
>Whoops! I appear to have trodden on someone's toes. I'm just extremely
>accumstomed to being the only Owen around, so whenever someone says
>something about "Owen" I assume it's about me.

Puh-lease!!  If anyone's toes were trodden upon, they were those of "The
Other Owen".  However, it seems that he's getting cold feet about paying
me a visit now...  <grumble> <grumble>
>
>Sorry about that, if I'd thought a bit longer I'd have been more sensistive.

Apology *totally* unnecessary c(-8

Lately I've been on the verge of tears for days at a time.  I know a total
of three (straight, female) people in this "city that fun forgot".  Nobody
talks to me at work, and reading all of these "in" postings about the 
Edin<mumble> party only makes me feel like an outsider yet again.  I think
I'll take a posting vacation until I'm back to my perky self.  I'd hate to
be a total downer...

I'll be back soon...(yes, it's a threat)

Daemon

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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Breeders and other epithets
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:52:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.160750.19179@spdcc.com>
   Steve Dyer <dyer@spdcc.com> writes:

> Bi the way, has anyone ever known a "bisexual" who is primarily
> homosocial (if you will)?  Every bisexual I know has a MOTOS on
> hir arm but also professes interest in MOTSS. :-)

   Love the quotes, Steve.  Yeah, I know serveral... my lover for one.
His primary interest is men, always has been and always will be.
Recently, though, he's been attracted to a woman, a relationship I've
been encouraging.  Not because I think it's the "proper" way to go, but
because if his parents (to whom he is out) saw that he had a relationship
with a woman, my very mercenary heart tells me they would probably be more
willing to help pay his way through college (at the moment, he's doing it
all himself), just like they're picking up ALL the bills of his nice,
sweet, heterosexual sister...

      Elf !!!
-- 
Elf Sternberg    __   |     I have looked into the abyss, and the abyss
elf@halcyon.com  \/   | has looked into me.  Neither liked what we saw.
elf@polari.online.com |                              - Brother Theodore
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Breeders and other epithets
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:02:51 GMT

In article <asuccop.711861170@milton> asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop) writes:
>
>	um elf, are u telling his potential gf that she's being pimped
>	for college money?
>
>	i mean, i'm not above exploiting manipulative parents, but w/
>	consent, man, w/consent.
>	asuccop@u.washington.edu

	Of course she knows, Annemarie!  This was _her_ plan in the
first place; one more reason for him to hold onto her.  Sigh; he's more
interested in boys, though...

		Elf !!!

-- 
Elf Sternberg    __   |     I have looked into the abyss, and the abyss
elf@halcyon.com  \/   | has looked into me.  Neither liked what we saw.
elf@polari.online.com |                              - Brother Theodore
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Ireland Party (was Re: Muffin Alert!)
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:23:20 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

ELAINE@brownvm.brown.edu (Elaine M. Brennan) writes:

>I'll be in San Francisco August 6 through 10.

Oh dear, that might be a bit early; I get to Escondido the 7th and I
dont' know how long it'll take me to actually make it to SF.

Sara
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 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Bay Area Beach Thing
From: dsolis@koko.csustan.edu (Djelrik Solis)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 09:17:43 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus
Keywords: peace, love, and happiness


	The Edin<mumble> Party sounded like *so* much fun that it seems
those of us on the California coast should do something groovy as well.
So, I propose a nude beach party for sometime in the early Fall.  You know,
we can do bodypainting, sand candles, dancing, smoke lots of good herb,
play in the water, and generally have a really mellow time watching the sun
paint the western horizon at dusk.  

	Don't poop out now :)  Who's interested?

Djelrik <who's already nude, as usual>  :-)
                                        
Xref: sparky soc.bi:9542 alt.sex:25087 alt.sex.motss:1042
From: nigel@isgtec.com (Nigel Burnett)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.sex,alt.sex.motss
Subject: Re: search for sexy/not-trashy fiction
Keywords: SEX in a _Public Library_!!!
Date: 25 Jul 92 20:03:42 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

In article <1992Jul23.144803.20789@philabs.philips.com> kts@philabs.philips.com (Kimberley T. Smith) writes:
> i'm looking for fiction with sex and love or maybe just sex.  
> 

I was going to reply to Kimberly directly but thought a general posting
would be better.  I've just finished reading a series of books by
Diana L. Paxson.  I'm sure that many of you have already read and enjoyed
them but unless you really don't like speculative fantasy, the Westria
series is quite likeable.  The sex isn't explicit (like Delaney) but
it's stated quite clearly who's loving/seducing/making love with whom.
THe hero, our Prince, is bi although it does take a while to come out
in the book, I don't think saying it will spoil it for anybody. 

Highly recommended

Nigel

--
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