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From: mwp@ms9.mis.semi.harris.com (Mark W. Poole)
Subject: Home Weather Station
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:41:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

I was wondering if anyone out there has seen or made a weather
station connected to a PC.  You can buy a weather station from
the mail order houses for $175, which can give you the current
speed and direction, maximum for a period, and temperature. It
comes with a LCD display and 40' of cable.  It seems that anyone
with some electronics experience could interface this to a PC,
and with a modem could have their own 24 hour call-in system.
The weather information could be translated to a voice system,
or just a some coded series of beeps to keep it simple.

With all the old XT systems for sale in the newspaper for $200,
it seems it could be done pretty cheap.  Local windsurfing clubs
could use dues to finance one and only give the phone number to club
members.

Anyway, surely this has been done by an individual, or there's some
company that markets such a thing. Or maybe I've found my calling in
life...

Let the truth be known, what I REALLY want is to have one of these at
my house, with a modem transfering the information to a graphical 
representation of a guy skimming across my screen on my workstation
at the office,  the faster the wind blows, the faster he/she goes....
and the number on the sail could represent the actual wind speed in
knots...and...the girls/guys on the beach watching have their arms 
pointing in the direction of the wind...and....

Sorry, got carried away...


Mark.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: russell@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au (Russell Sparkes)
Subject: Re: Keys and wetsuits
Organization: BHP, Newcastle, Australia
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:52:42 GMT

My Hawii-Surf Seat harness has a big pocket in the back, perfect for Keys,
change etc... It has velcro over the top to stop stuff coming out, It's hard
enough getting it open when you want to! Of course, everything gets wet if
you fall in.
    russell.
-- 
Russell Sparkes, BHP Information Technology, Newcastle, Australia
Bits: russell@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au         Voice: +61 49 40 2132
From: damouth@wrc.xerox.com (David E. Damouth)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Keys and wetsuits
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:13:17 GMT
Reply-To: damouth@wrc.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Webster Research Center

Re:  "... have to remove the wetsuit to get the car door open"

Why, oh why, don't wetsuit manufacturers sew or glue a key pocket  somewhere on their products?  Even a tiny nylon mesh pocket on the inside near the top of a zipper?  Come to think of it, why don't I do this myself?
---
/Dave
David E. Damouth
Xerox Webster Research Center
damouth@wrc.xerox.com
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: Martin B. Hill <chillm@cc.curtin.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Sunglasses, helmets
Organization: Curtin Uni Computing Centre
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:32:29 GMT

G'day,
I highly recommend GATH helmets.  They're made here in Western Australia
(plug, plug!!  :-)  ) and are nice and light as well as non
water-absorbing.
They're a very close fit, so you don't feel like a pumpkin-head.

The most intriguing feature is a futuristic tinted, streamlined 3d curved
visor, that slides down from under the top of the helmet to act like a
pair of sunnies over the top third of your face, or by sliding it all the
way down to your chin, it completely covers your face.  It basically
follows the curve of the rest of the helmet.  Protects your entire head,
acts like a pair of wrap-around sunnies, and protects
contacts/prescription glasses into the bargain.

I don't know if they're available over your side of the Earth however. :-)

-Mart

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From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:31:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Home Weather Station
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

First, FANTASTIC IDEA and SYSTEM!
>The question is what to do with this type of system?  It works well for my
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Enjoy it, I've heard from many that making a business out of this sport can
take away some of the fun as it tends to subtract from your TOW (Time on the
water).

>own use but the data service that I use has periods of down time so it is
>not 100% reliable.  NOAA weather radio has the same problem but they say
>"No data available this hour".   I am currently adding a pager database
>to the software so that I can add pager numbers.  There are 4 pager 
>companies in the Portland area and they charge about $20 per month for a
>pager.  The coverage is different between companies but the better ones
>reach East of The Dalles.
>
>There is a group of lawyers who are working on this same idea and have 
>copyrighted the name "Windpager".  They have nothing working yet.
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Somehow, this doesn't surprise me.
>
Kirk out
From: erno@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Erno H. Klaassen)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Board construction
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:38:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: pasteur.1992Apr6.233828.1362
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <4310340@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom) writes:
>
>I think the best combination of strength, wt and $ is to buy a used board for 
>your first and even second short board.  Look for a board that has been
>taken care of and be willing to pay a premium for good condition equipment.
>
>-Kirk out


This is probably good advice, especially for somebody on a tighter budget.
My girlfriend is looking at buying a used shortboard, but in looking
around we have heard horror stories about boards that were jumped to
bits (ie: buckled) but with very little visual evidence of this.

Is there a good way to ensure that a board isn't damaged this way (besides
the word from the person selling it to you)?


- Erno
From: matt@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Matt Yamamoto)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 01:22:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Slalom Board Advice
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
From: mwp@ms9.mis.semi.harris.com (Mark W. Poole)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Home-Grown Weather Station
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:22:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

I was wondering if anyone out there has seen or made a weather
station connected to a PC.  You can buy a weather station from
the mail order houses for $175, which can give you the current
speed and direction, maximum for a period, and temperature. It
comes with a LCD display and 40' of cable.  It seems that anyone
with some electronics experience could interface this to a PC,
and with a modem could have their own 24 hour call-in system.
The weather information could be translated to a voice system,
or just a some coded series of beeps to keep it simple.

With all the old XT systems for sale in the newspaper for $200,
it seems it could be done pretty cheap.  Local windsurfing clubs
could use dues to finance one and only give the phone number to club
members.

Anyway, surely this has been done by an individual, or there's some
company that markets such a thing. Or maybe I've found my calling in
life...

With all the old XT systems for sale in the newspaper for $200,
it seems it could be done pretty cheap.  Local windsurfing clubs
could use dues to finance one and only give the phone number to club
members.

Let the truth be known, what I REALLY want is to have one of these at
my house, with a modem from work transfering the information to a
graphical representation of a guy skimming across my screen on my
workstation,  the faster the wind blows, the faster he/she goes....
and the number on the sail could represent the actual wind speed in
knots...and...the girls on the beach watching have their arms pointing
in the direction of the wind...and....

Sorry, got carried away...


Mark.
From: jmunkki@hila.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Blades
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:19:58 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

The season finally started here. We've been waiting for a month now and
we finally got a warm day with enough wind. I sailed about 90 minutes
first fully powered with a 5.6 and with less wind later on.

This was also the first time I had a chance to try out the Rainbow V2
13.7" blade that I got in January. I'm quite excited. All the good
things that I have heard about these fins seem to be true and  I can't
really find anything bad to say about the fin (except that it cost
me $140, but I guess you have to pay for the durability of G10 fins).

The biggest bonus was that I could really push with my feet when
jibing. This allows a very tight radius and makes me more confident,
so I think my jibes will start improving really quickly.

   ____________________________________________________________________________
  / Juri Munkki	    /  Helsinki University of Technology   /  Wind  / Project /
 / jmunkki@hut.fi  /  Computing Center Macintosh Support  /  Surf  / Arashi  /
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From: poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:53:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Sunglasses, helmets
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

> Also, does anyone want to recommend a good helmet, or tell me which
> to avoid?  I guess confort and safety are the key issues, though
> apparently they aren't rated like bike helmets.

I think the main thing is to find one that fits so you will wear it.  I
had to cut down the pads on my XL Primex helmet to fit my head, but now
it's very comfortable.  I never notice it except when I hear the loud
"bonk" when I get when I collide with my rig.  Then I just smile. 

The key is to wear some helmet, any helmet.  There was a guy knocked out
at Coyote in the 4.5 weather on Friday.  Apparently he came to quickly
and sailed back in, but getting knocked unconscious in the water seems
like the easiest way to die in this sport. 


Ken Poulton
poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com
From: jmunkki@hila.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Board construction
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:55:45 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In article <1992Apr6.233828.1362@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> erno@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Erno H. Klaassen) writes:
>This is probably good advice, especially for somebody on a tighter budget.
>My girlfriend is looking at buying a used shortboard, but in looking
>around we have heard horror stories about boards that were jumped to
>bits (ie: buckled) but with very little visual evidence of this.
>
>Is there a good way to ensure that a board isn't damaged this way (besides
>the word from the person selling it to you)?

It is often possible to tell if a board has been jumped a lot. You'll either
notice bumps in the area around the footstraps or the deck may feel soft.
Poly boards will probably have bumps even if they have not been jumped all
that much.

P.S. No windsurfing picture from me this week. I've been too busy with other
     things and I'm looking into writing weatherfax receiver software for my
     Macintosh. I still have plenty of pictures to send.

   ____________________________________________________________________________
  / Juri Munkki	    /  Helsinki University of Technology   /  Wind  / Project /
 / jmunkki@hut.fi  /  Computing Center Macintosh Support  /  Surf  / Arashi  /
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From: burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Scouting and the Martial Arts
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:51:01 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Apr8.154149.7311@waikato.ac.nz> cdb@waikato.ac.nz (Craig D. Beere) writes:
>> Short self-defense training courses may be of use to anyone, but they
>> certainly are not worth a merit badge.  If there was to be a martial
>> arts merit badge, it ought to require the achievement of at least
>> a brown belt (3rd kyu in Japanese arts), with a time commitment of 
>> two years, or a black belt with a time commitment of 3 years.
>
>?Que?  3 Years for a merit badge?  Do you guys do things different to what we
>do in New Zealand?  3 Months for a merit badge is the norm here, some even
>shorter.

You need at least two years of training to make the martial arts work
for you.  It takes about a year to overcome your old reflexes, and
another year to make your new ones work better than your old ones.
The merit badge would simply recognize effort that has already been
expended.  A three month merit badge in Self-Defense would be a merit
badge best summarized by "kick him in the nuts, stomp on his foot."

>> Military training for the Scouts is a VERY bad idea to my mind.
>
>Scouts is a paramilitary organisation.  It was founded by a soldier, with the
>aim that the scouts would be useful to the army (as messengers etc).

Right, but Scouts are not supposed to be used in fighting (which
disappointed many boys in WW I!).  I suppose some would argue that
the Scouts could replace the Guardian Angels in the cities if 
they were linked to unarmed combat training, but it seems to me
such training would be a step towards the Hitler Youth.

>Besides, what's the Master at Arms badge?  Shooting & Archery are pretty
>military to my mind.

Both are rationalized as training in hunting here in the states (which
may be a poor rationalization these days, but it's still used).

>[Re Boxing]
>> And training is not necessary (just give 'em some gloves and let them go 
>> to it).
>
>Oh get real!  If you think giving boys & girls gloves & letting them go for it
>is responsible, but encouraging them to learn a martial art is not, then you
>have a serious problem!

If you just punt around with boxing, there is a very low chance of
injury in boxing.  If the kids don't have training, they just kind of
thump on each other.  On the other hand, the martial arts train kids
to poke eyes, kick to the groin, break knees, etc.  It takes a much
greater commitment to the arts to ensure that the training is not
put the wrong use.  I should point out that I've taught Kids Karate
for about 6 years and believe that the arts ARE good for kids.  It 
just takes a longterm commitment.  The perils of this training are 
illustrated by the time a 8-year-old student of a friend of mine
went home broke his older brother's knee.  My friend's karate classes
ended rather quickly (I haven't had problems yet in my classes, 
except for the occasional potential bully that I have to correct).

Dakin
burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
From: sbgreene@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Steven Greene)
Subject: Re: It'd Be A Shame
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:12:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.184155.3075@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> whs70@dancer.UUCP () writes:
[discussion of whether BSA has misled the United Way
 about its discriminatory policies]

>As you point out, it is UW that is violating or ignoring its own
>principles.  Nothing in the above indicates any misrepresentation 
>by the BSA to UW.  In fact, it was NOT BSA that pressured UW to
>continue its funding of BSA, it was the UW donor population.
>
[...]
>
>It, therefore, seems to me that this running thread of complaint
>about UW giving financial support to BSA is misdirected at BSA.
>I suggest you take the complaint to UW, if they don't want to
>chnage their donation process or answer your complaint/query
>then I see no validity to any complaint about BSA accepting UW funds.
>

You know, that's a good point and a good suggestion.  The Application
for Certification used by the United Way-Princeton Area Communities
asks the following question, "Does the organization have a Board
approved policy regarding discrimination by age, race, sex and
religion?"  I'd be interested in how the Boy Scouts answered that.
Did they say, "Yes, our policy is that we only discriminate on
two of the four"?

And I love the suggestion about taking our complaint to the United
Way.  That's just what we're doing here at Princeton.  Local and
NY media have covered Princeton's process of re-evaluating its
relationship with United Way because of its failure to enforce
its stated policies of non-discrimination.

Any other suggestions?
From: mcbeanb@brandonu.ca
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Bashing Problem Solved (restriction)
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:53:49 GMT
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <1992Apr6.174441.1529@brandonu.ca>, mcbeanb@brandonu.ca writes:
> Not a problem!
> 
> From what I've read on the group, all we need to do is define the boy
> scouts in a slightly different light than is usual.  Everybody is
> complaining about how boy scouts discriminate against certain sexualities
> and religions (or lack of)...
> 
> So why not just say "The Boy Scouts are a group of homophobics who believe
> in God."
> 
> Case closed.
> 
> I'm serious, and this is not a flame.

I have been asked to restrict this comment to the BSA, and I'd like to do
that, but it also applies to whatever other scouting organization which
refuses membership to homosexuals and atheists.

Brian McBean  -  McBeanB@BrandonU.Ca
Xref: sparky rec.scouting:944 alt.atheism:8507
From: hayes@ddemo3.aero.org (Brian Hayes 74-35 x65129)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: B.S.A. Belief in God Requirement
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:44:39 GMT
Followup-To: hayes@hac2arpa
Distribution: usa

In article <vGp+QF#@engin.umich.edu> ingles@lorch.engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles) writes:


Carl Kadie & Ray Ingles:

1.  You should directly answer my questions:
> 1.  (A) Does BSA policy require you to swear to God (or a god)? 
> 1.  (B) Or, is this an infered interpretation?
I assume you answered yes to (A).
Personally, "duty to God" part of the Scout Oath has/had no meaning to 
me.  Does that make me any less of a Scout?  I think not.  And if you 
think so, shame on you for being so unChristian by judging me.

As far as quoting the description of the Scout Law Reverent from the 
Scout Handbook, let's look at a portion of it:
"He is faithful in his religious duties and he respects the beliefs of 
others."
In light of this, I think it is fairly safe to say that Boy Scout 
policies are not very scout like. 

And, before I accuse you of being unscout like, please clearly 
state your views on this issue in your next post.  Make statements like:
1.  I do not believe there should be a religious requirement for 
scouts.
2.  I believe the BSA has the right to have a religious requirement 
which is a belief in the Jewish or Christian god.
3.  I really don't care.  I'm just posting and counter posting for 
the sake of argument.
4.  Were you ever a boy scout?  How many years did you last in the
program?

Ray Ingles:
I'm sorry you didn't see the improvement of the use of "obstinate" over
"stubborn."  You probably never will.  Why?  Because you fail to see
that by having a more acceptable definition for "reverence" you have 
a better chance of appeasing the parties involved.  Ask yourself why
would we want to do this.  My answer to this question is:
  Boy Scouting is a good program.  To deny a boy an opportunity to 
  participate in the Boy Scouting program because of a religious 
  belief that is not otherwise in conflict with the other Scouting
  principles is a tragedy.
.

Dale Stephenson, and others:
Thank you for your posts which shed light on "reverence." 
-- 
<<<<<<<<<< Brian Hayes hayes%bh_ddemo3@hac2arpa (310) 616-5129 >>>>>>>>>>>>
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: It'd Be A Shame
Date: 8 Apr 92 06:51:33 GMT
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

David Paul Fabie writes:
> BSA does not discriminate on the basis of religion,
> [but rather] on the basis of a lack of religion.

It's even less exclusive than that.  One can have an utter lack of
religion but strong faith in God.  Scouting promotes reverence for God,
not religion.  Scouting requires no church membership, no affiliation
with organized religion of any sort.

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger   jpk@ingres.com                    Oh we pulled the handle out,
and we pushed the handle in, and the steam went to the pistons just the same
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: Pamela Kay <szafrans@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Wowee!  A busy GS council we are... 
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 08:35:21 -0500


Aloha--
        Pam's recent posts about Gold and Silver Awards for Girl Scouts
illustrate to all of you the huge amount of work that girls must do to
earn them.  Well, I heard an _incredible_ thing at our monthly Service
Unit meeting on Tuesday evening.  There are 23 Gold and 63 Silver award
recipients in the Girl Scout Council of Hawaii this year!  This is an
amazing figure, I think.  The manager of our service unit said that
typically 6 to 7 girls earn the Gold each year.  I wonder what happened
here?
        Anyway, I'm proud of them, and just wanted to announce it!
Debbie
    


YEA!!  WOWEE!!! YIPEEE!!!  THREE CHEERS!!! YES....ALRIGHT...
*THUNDERING APPLAUSE AND STANDING OVATION!!!!!*

Can I get a list of some of the projects chosen...I am always looking
to "borrow" ideas wherever I can.

Pam
Yes, I am *still* a Girl Scout!!!!!!!

(and so is my Eagle Scout Husband...just ask him to see his 
	membership card :)
From: daveh@compnect.UUCP (Dave Hultberg)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: A SCOUT IS .......
Keywords: Courtesy
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:30:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Compnect, Harrisburg, Pa.

I was elated when this newsgroup was created.  Here at last was a
proper forum to exchange ideas with other Scouts and Scouters
worldwide.  I looked forward to some very productive exchanges.  Instead
of world Scouting I find a continous flamewar over BSA policies that
consumes 90% or more of the bandwidth.  I do not propose censorship of
these topics, but I do urge those on both sides to remember what they
were taught in Scouts.  The Scout oath and laws may differ in various
countries, but they all embrace similar principles.  How many of you
tossing firebombs remember the meaning of a Scout is .... friendly,
courteous, kind, ....., cheerful, ......? 

I would also like to point out that young boys and girls could be
reading what you are posting.  Not everyone reading this group is at a
university, business or government site.  I would like my Cub Scouts to
be able to use this newsgroup to exchange Scouting related ideas with
Scouts in other countries.  

I won't ask you to stop debating BSA policy regarding the three Gs. 
That would be both unrealistic and wrong.  The debate is good for the
health of the organization.  While I don't understand homosexuality
myself, I am willing to listen to rational debate on whether or not gays
should be openly accepted by BSA.  I'm already convinced that we should
allow girls to join Scouts just as they do in Canada, Australia, UK and
other countries.  I am also open to discussing BSA's opposition to
athesists.  Having said that, I want to also point out that insults and
flames won't convince me or anyone else that you have good arguments. 
If you resort to insulting and flaming those that disagree with you, you
hav lost the debate.  Let the discussions continue, but let each of us
please try to act like Scouts.

Yours in World Scouting,
Dave Hultberg, Cubmaster Pack 196, Triangle District, Keystone Area Council, BSA
Eagle Class of 67, Brotherhood member Susquehannock Lodge 11, ASTA #1781
(yes I trade Council Shoulder patches)
-- 
Dave Hultberg Snail Mail: 1407 Concord Rd., Mechanicsburg, PA 17055-1955
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