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From: rps@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (raj.sharma)
Subject: Sati [A book to read]
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:47:12 GMT
Keywords: Sati, Politics, Tribal Issues, etc.


Mark Trully's latest book - Defeat of a Congressman - contains 10 essays
on Indian themes, one of them being on the Sati case in the Sikar district
in Rajasthan. May be worth reading for those interested in the case.

Thanks.

---raj


	[P.S. Mark was born of an English father and a Bengali mother
	      in Calcutta. He had been the BBC correspondent in Delhi
	      for a number of years.]
From: skc@Turing.ORG (Shriram K. Chaubal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Can India make it ?
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:33:43 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <chaw.718156249@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> Chaw@cs.Stanford.edu writes:
>atul@hunnoo.Eng.Sun.COM (Atool CupAddYeah x65042) writes:
>
>>India must first get their own house clean and then claim for fancy titles
>>and labels. 
>
>So one is to believe that the US, UK, China etc. all have clean
>houses?  And since when did Security Council membership become a
>`fancy title'? 
>

I think it is a whole lot more than just having a 'clean house'. To
be a super-power and a world power India needs to develop its 
economic power. Today.... no one really thinks or belives that 
India is a world power because India is hardly a player 
in the international markets... no real worth while currency power,
a recession in India would hardly make headlines, No major exports
to the other super powers etc etc....

Needless to say ... money has more power these days than nukes...
and India has very little of that ..


Oh yea .. and India does need a cute super-model type person also ...
*grin* on the International scene...

Hey .. are you the dude from St SantaClaus ??

Shri
From: vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: GOOD BYE !!!
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:49:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu,wpi.students.desis
Subject: Re: GOOD BYE!!!!
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: California State University, Chico
Keywords: 

In article <1aobm5INN7m7@bigboote.WPI.EDU> megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.012626.26922@engr.latech.edu> sista@latech.edu (Ravi K. Sista) writes:
>>
>
>And that's all, two posts at that...
>
>What's wrong, did the departure leave you speechless?
>
>BTW, all generalizations are false, don't put all the WPI people in the same
>group. How about I consider all Indian students to be the same?
>

It may not be because of that, but is more lokely to be due to the fact
that his server might have screwed up, and not allowed the posting of a
follow-up, or an article.

In fact I had the same problem last week with a follow-up of an article
on soc.culture.sri-lanka, and my server here at CSU,  Chico gave me the 
same problem when I had to post to S.C.I. also.

Regards,
Vivek.

-- 
vivek@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu),
Systems Engineering Laboratory, Department Of Computer Science, 
School Of Engineering, Computer Science And Technology,
California State University, Chico, California.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Need contact info for South Asian Gay and Lesbian Association
From: srik@cs.arizona.edu (Srikanth Raghavan)
Date: 28 Sep 92 05:42:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.045150.3993@tc.cornell.edu>, marty@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (marty) writes:
> 
> I need a contact name and number for SALGA in New York City.
> Also, anyone with information on Tricone in California please respond.
> 
> Thanks!!



I like that! Nice one Marty!
Tricone -> Tri Cone ????


-srikanth
From: jarnold@spot.wrc.xerox.com (jeff arnold esc1-318)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: HELP: Need Immigration Lawyer in LA
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:13:20 GMT
Organization: Xerox

A friend of mine is currently having deportation proceedings issued against
him. Unfortunately his current lawyer has really messed up. Can
anybody recommend a good/excellent lawyer in the Los Angeles area
who has experience in handling deportation cases? The case has got rather
complicated and he needs an attorney to sort out things quite urgently.

Please send mail to me at the following email address:

		apar_bolaria.lax1b@xerox.com

Thanks in advance for your help.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: banerj@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Re: Passport Renewel
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:42:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.031710.27228@bradley.bradley.edu> aparikh@buhub.bradley.edu (Amit Parikh) writes:
>In <1992Sep21.203541.7529@informix.com> vemuri@informix.com (Sudhakar Vemuri) writes:
>
>>In article <5434@news.duke.edu> rs@acpub.duke.edu (RAMAKRISHNA SRINIVASAN) writes:
>>>I need to renew my passport, and would prefer to do it by mail. Could

>>N.B.: It would be renewd for 1 year only.

>No it's not true. I just renewd my passport few days back from Chicago 
>Consulate. They renewd for 5 years. But I think if your passport is
>10 years old, you need to get a new one, than they wount renew that because
>thay put a note in mine that this is final renewal..

Just received new passports in exchange for our ten-year-old ones (already 
renewed once). These have been issued for ten years and are not "renewable"; 
they are "FINAL". This simply means that when they expire we need to get "new" 
ones just as we did this time.

I was happy to see that the ppt's were issued for ten, and not five, years.
Saves on one set of renewal fees:-) Does this "new" policy apply universally
or is it a special "perk" for NRI's?

Also, the new ones are smaller (hence, more conveniently fit into pockets)
and sleeker than the originals. Even the rubber stamps are clearer.

Another change: the new ones are valid for all countries - the restriction
on travel to South Africa has been dropped.

Cheers

Amitava

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From: ketha@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (KETHEESWARAN/NANNITHAMBY/MR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: NEWS : Distortion in history textbooks opposed
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:18:21 GMT
Organization: EE Lab, McGill University EE Lab, Montreal

In article <1992Oct1.175035.25323@engage.pko.dec.com> thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT) writes:
>In article <BvGC41.5HM@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu) writes...
>>it with a Rama temple, why can't the Dravidians destroy all that is Aryan
>>and replace it with Dravidian to "correct the historical injustice" of 
>>the Aryans.  (Remember, Most scholars still hold the view that there was 
>
>Ya, why can't all sinhalese from sri-lanka kick the ass of all sri-lankan
>tamils out to correct their history?

  I don't want to associate myself with the Brahmin-Dravidian
  issue you wrote. 

 But for your reference to the Sri Lankan history:

 Niether Sihalese nor Tamils are aborigins of Sri Lanka.
 Both the Tamils and the Sinhalese(called now) migrated to 
 the Island from ancient India more or less at the same 
 period (between B.C 6th and B.C 1st centuary).
 
 just for information.

-ketha

-- 
 (Ketha) Nannithamby Ketheeswaran        |   E-Mail :  ketha@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca
From: dikkala@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravikumar Dikkala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Back from India
Date: 3 Oct 1992 01:32:39 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Going back to India

-Dikkala
From: U51935@uicvm.uic.edu (Sesha Talluri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Places to Suggest for Honey Moon .
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:46:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92279.144617U51935
 <1992Oct3.201932.7965@cs.wayne.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Oct3.201932.7965@cs.wayne.edu>, uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu
(Seetamraju Udaybhaskar) says:
>
>In article <1992Oct3.072142.429@cs.uow.edu.au> u8903845@cs.uow.edu.au (Anil
>Sachdeva) writes:
>>
>>I am getting married in January in Delhi .
>>I was wondering if you could suggest me some places .
>>I intend to go for one month trip .
>>
>>Anil
>
>
>
>Well, Congratulations.  I know that's what you wanted...
>Congratulate him guys !!!!
>
Mr. Pee Brain, he asked for suggestions, NOT your
'stupid idiotic immature' comments.
If you can give him suggestions, give one otherwise SHUT UP.

sesha
>
>
>Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
>(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
>
>suggest a Place to  honeymoon !!! Indeed !
EXACTLY!!!!
ps: unfortunately I have a CMS account and I wish you can tell me
how to put your name in a 'KILL FILE'. Thank you.
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From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: GOOD BYE!!!!
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu,wpi.students.desis
Date: 5 Oct 1992 00:29:35 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu


This is my last post on these two nonsense Indian groups. Let me
remind you once again that it is your loss and not mine. 


The main reason for me to take this decision is the pity that i feel
for some of you morAns.



suresh



ps: from tomorrow onwards if i see a single followup to this then i
    will take over this group once again. so think twice before
    hitting 'f' or 'F'.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sgs1679@usl.edu (Sudhindranath Sira G)
Subject: Re: Info Needed: Book on Rajiv Gandhi
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:35:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.171926.21612@cis.ohio-state.edu> chandra@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.164643.5595@usl.edu> sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep30.122507.19916@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> mmurali@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Murali Damodaran) writes:
>>>The book "RAJIV" by Sonia Gandhi is not out yet.
>......
>>>I believe this is a labour of love!
>>
>>Some of our compatriots have deluded themselves into believing 
>>it to be so.
>
>You seem very sure of how Sonia Gandhi felt about Rajiv.  Do you have any
>evidence that Sonia didn't care for Rajiv?
>

I think I have been misunderstood.  What I meant to say was that
the release of the book  could be a politically motivated move and
may have nothing to do with the care or love that may or may not have
existed between the couple.

If you consider the gullibility of the Indian people (who else would
hand over their nation to an idiot just out of "sympathy" that
he lost his mother ?! :-( ) _and_ the track-record of the Nehru dynasty,
this is not a far-fetched idea at all.

Thanks.

Regards,

--Sudhi.

-- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath.   <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
email : sudhi@usl.edu, sgs@ucs.usl.edu    Address : USL PO Box 41688,
                          	                    Lafayette, LA 70504-1688.
	                                            USA.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: srnishta@eos.ncsu.edu (SUBBA RAO NISHTALA)
Subject: looking for B.D.KIRAN/T.SRINATH
Originator: srnishta@c10002-319mn.ce.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: srnishta@eos.ncsu.edu (SUBBA RAO NISHTALA)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:26:24 GMT


HI,
      I'M TRYING TO LOCATE BANGLORE DORAISWAMY KIRAN  AND TIRUMALA SRINATH

       BOTH FROM R.E.C. NAGPUR.

                                        SUBBA RAO NISHTALA
                                        RALEIGH,N.C.
                                        PHONE: (919) 821-3124
From: atish@ruphys.rutgers.edu (Atish Dabholkar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: IIT's and REC's. Training factories for US? (was: NRI's returning to India
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:23:20 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



This is perhaps the most important and relevant issue that has been
discussed on the net in the past few months. Our educational system 
is a striking example of a false brand of socialism. As many people 
have correctly pointed out, free education for the would-be
professionals amounts to welfare for the well-to-do. Even worse,
it amounts to a rather substantial subsidy to the American economy.

For those who can afford to pay for the full expenses of their education, 
free tuition is obviously unnecessary. 
For those who cannot, one can imagine either loans in proportion to 
their future earning capacity or need-based scholarships. 
In fact, if the students work and `earn' the financial assistance as 
they do in this country, they can play an important constructive role.
Similarly, the institutions can be required to earn atleast part of 
their budget from private industry and alumni. 
This way, there will be a better 
connection between the industry and the academia and consequently
a better justification for the right of our elite institutions to exist.
The basic point is that now there a hungry market for the talents of 
engineers/doctors/scientists and it is hungry enough to be able to pay
for their training. 
On the other hand, there are areas in abject neglect such as primary
education or adult literacy which this market is not interested in. 
It is here that the state funding is urgently needed.
Unfortunately, at the moment, the emphasis of the state funding 
seems exactly in the opposite direction and that clearly must change.
In this sense, I think, free market for the rich and socialism for the
poor seems more workable and equitable.

There is a prescient remark by M. K. Gandhi on this subject which appears
even more true today:

` If America has to model her schools and colleges so as to enable
students to earn their scholastic expenses, how much more necessary it
must be for our schools and colleges? Is it not far better that we find
work for poor students than that we pauperize them by providing free
studentships? It is impossible to exaggerate the harm we do to India's
youth by filling their minds with the false notion that it is
ungentlemanly to labor with one's hands and feet for one's livelihood
and schooling...No one likes to be reminded in after-life that he had
to depend upon charity for his education...'

(Young India, 1928, from `The Essential Gandhi' , edited by Louis Fischer.)

Atish  Dabholkar.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
Subject: Re: Islam and Science (was Re: Islam & Rushdie -- Icarus.)
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:26:32 GMT

In article <30SEP199204000594@vxcrna.cern.ch> mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP) writes:
>	A simple innocent Question!
>	As I understand from the current status of BigBang 
>        there are few (may be a lot) questions unresolved. To mention one
>	let us take the problem of dark matter. Many scietists have
>	given some explainations for this and not all of these agree
>	and we have little evidence to support/reject one of these,
>	I assume you are aware of it. Would you please tell me  
>        which one of these is consistent with Quran?.
>	(your answer may save thousands of physists sleepless nights)
>
>Mirza Ilyas	
>

Shakil, 

  Please answer the above quaestion. I would like to see a crisp
answer to the above from you. Thanks in advance. 


---raj
From: puri@enel.ucalgary.ca (Ruchir Puri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Nobel Prize & IITs
Date: 3 Oct 92 19:20:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: acs.92Oct03.192018.19150
Organization: ECE Department, U. of Calgary, Calgary, Alberta, Canada

In article <SHUBU.92Oct3022625@green.cs.wisc.edu> shubu@cs.wisc.edu (Shubhendu Mukherjee) writes:
>
>>>>>> In article <1992Oct3.052426.27092@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, mmurali@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Murali Damodaran) writes:
>
>MD> That's great news from the IITs.
>MD> This should be a fitting reply to all those SCI sour grapes
>MD> who have been indulging in IIT bashing!
>

It is good news for India that the efforts of researchers is being recognized... 

Dr.R.C.Mehrotra at Rajasthan Univ. (of Mehrotra Pay Comission) 
was also nominated for Nobel Prize in Chemistry (some years back)...
That does not imply that Rajasthan Univ. is THE BEST in India...
Ofcourse his own research is THE BEST....

Good Researchers are not a property of IITs and 
saying that Dr.XYZ at IIT-? was nominated for a nobel prize
does not mean to say that IIT-? is the Best, this will be a over generalization. 
I agree that Dr.XYZ is one of the Best....

It is not intended to be IIT/REC/other Engg. Colleges Bashing....

--Ruchir Puri
-- 
Ruchir Puri                    VLSI Gp., Dept. of Elect. & Computer Engg.
puri@enel.UCalgary.CA          The University of Calgary, Calgary, CANADA - T2N1N4
403-220-4870 (Dept Ph.)        403-284-5825 (Home Ph.), 403-282-6855 (Dept FAX)
From: sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Info Needed: Book on Rajiv Gandhi
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:02:59 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette

In article <1afj8aINNklr@overload.lbl.gov> prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.122507.19916@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> mmurali@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Murali Damodaran) writes:
>>The book "RAJIV" by Sonia Gandhi is not out yet.
>>There is 2 page review of this project taken by Sonia
[deleted]
>
>	Where will they find 5000 fools to buy it ?? 
>	Well, you always have the Lok Sabha, the Rajya Sabha,
>	The Bachchans, the Pitroda family, the Ambanis,...........but 5000 ??

Oh, finding 5000 fools is not as difficult as you think. Because you 
forgot to include the "honourable" members of the various state assemblies, 
councils etc. Many of them are  so "loyal" to the Nehru Dynasty that 
they are prepared to smear themselves with the Nehru family excrement 
and then go about proclaiming that it smells and feels better than 
Mysore sandalwood... (ugh!!)

Plus there are one or two SCIers who are prepared to do it. (prepared to 
buy the book, I mean :-) :-) :-) ) 

>
>	Prem!

Regards,

--Sudhi.

-- 
*********************************************************************
Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath. 
email : sudhi@usl.edu, sgs@ucs.usl.edu
*********************************************************************
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From: rv17@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Rajasekhar  Velamuri)
Newsgroups: wpi.students.desis,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Kamma's are sick!
Keywords: sick, kammas
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:41:53 GMT
Reply-To: rv17@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Rajasekhar  Velamuri)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Sep30.222544.4844@wam.umd.edu> gatsby@wam.umd.edu (Ravindra Pillalamarri) writes:
>In article <1aajn7INNm4h@bigboote.WPI.EDU> sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki) writes:
>>
>>This is meant in pure jest. Please do not try to read any racist or
>>subliminal messages into it.
>>
>>
>[jokes deleted]
>
>	It's this kind of insensitive humor that splits the Telugu community
>in such a way as it is splitting today.
>	I've heard people say things like this, prefacing their comments with
>phrases like "no offense" but the fact is that some things are offensive. 
>Simply issuing a disclaimer is not enough.
>
>Ravindra Pillalamarri
>gatsby@wam.umd.edu



I agree with completely Mr. Ravindra

Raj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: godbole@milano.berkeley.edu (Dattaprabodh Godbole)
Subject: Re: World-Wide Indian Organisation?
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:42:55 GMT

In article <dsharma.718001351@cs.anu.edu.au> dsharma@cs.anu.edu.au (Dharmendra Sharma) writes:
>I am interested in knowing whether there is a world-wide organisation 
>for people of Indian origin. If there is one, could someone please

Yes, there is one: It is called:

Government of India, New Delhi, India.

>enlighten me on it..such as what its goals are, how is it organised, how
>do you become a member etc?  
>Please email me.
>Many thanks.
>DSharma

-Datta
From: ratan@ring8.rutgers.edu (Santosh Ratan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Plane crash, about 160 died
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:11:37 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


This morning I overheard the TV saying that 



About 155 passangers and all the crew members of a plane died in a
                    crash near Kathmandu. 




The Plane was flying from Karanchi to Kathmandu. Either it was Royal
Nepal Airlines or PIA, I am not sure. Please confirm the news.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Subject: Re: IIT's and REC's. Training factories for US? 
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:34:52 GMT

[Please spare us 80-column users ... Sorry for any unjust formatting]

amit@canon.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Amit Gupta)
writes on soc.culture.indian:

)The important point: Before the decision-makers legislate, they should
)look at the consequences of the legislation.  Is the current situation
)*very* bad?  It is quite debatable.  Many IIT (and REC) graduates have
)gone  back, and contributed to the Indian economy.  Many stay in touch
)with the researchers back home, and help them in many different  ways.
)Plus,  the  overall  contribution  to the world economy also helps the
)Indian economy (e.g.  let us  assume,  hypothetically,  that  all  the
)computers were made by graduates of Indian schools.  Clearly, the (use
)of) computers helps the Indian economy.)

OK. Assume this.  A person works for Letni (C) and Nus (C) and both
are premier companies with lots of Indians in them. Yes, both
companies let us assume are world leaders in hardware and software
respectively. Indian graduates (ofcourse with the necessary graduate
experience in the US) make computers. But what part of the technology
goes back to India. Nil. If it goes, both companies will be waiting to
sue for sure. Money != technology. It is the technology that every
country uses to bargain not money. I am familiar only with computer
industry but I think I can assume the same for many other areas. One
other interesting thing is if an Indian firm copies/uses the
technology, it becomes a thorn in Indo-US relations due to absence of
proper patent laws.

No, I am not arguing for any laws or whatever. It sure is upto any
person's conscience to see how ethical he is in using all the
resources (and if he gave back any for what he took). IMO, giving back
money is hardly a substitute for lost technology. If you want to blame
politicians or the person sitting next to you, you can do it
all the time.

I would welcome any other viewpoints which doesn't have money as the
only factor for argument. In my list of priorities, money is certainly 
not the first though it is one of the entries. 

Let us not forget that only little drops make an ocean. India needs
hundreds if not thousands of Sam Pitrodas if it were to become an
economic miracle. I certainly hold much hopes for it happening.

)-amit

Sridhar.