From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Re: Bad Boy Green Bay Bob
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 01:18:13 GMT

In article <19921228.091928.623@almaden.ibm.com> heavy-metal@vnet.ibm.com writes:
> Hey, I'll admit that I may have said things that were pro-Packer and hence
> appeared to be ruthless Viking attacks, but they weren't. I said what I

Bob, I was one of the people to criticize your first post, and I stand by my
initial criticism.  You say that your comments were merely pro-Packer and not
Viking attacks (no pun intended), but the one statement that sticks out in my
mind was the one in which you said something like "I'm sick and tired of all
these fair weather Vikings fans..."  This doesn't look like Packer support to
me, Bob.  It looks like a direct (and completely unfounded) shot at Vikes fans.


> believed - that the Packers are a better team than the Vikes. I still believe
> that. Yesterday, as I sat in the dome til the very end, I saw that Vikings
> played better than us and based upon that days performance, deserved to win.
> However, based on the season, I still believe that the Packers are a better
> team. There are a lot of teams in the NFL I don't care for, but I know that
> they are better than the Packers, the Vikings just aren't one of them. I don't
> say that as a slam, I say that because its what I believe. Hey, if the Vikings
> win the Superbowl, that may change.

Ahh, now we finally get to argue some football.  Your claim: The Pack is better
than the Vikes, "based on the season."  Would you care to tell the rest of us
your method for determining which team is better.  Let's see, I can think of
lots of reasons why I think the Vikes were the better team this season... we
won the division (by a full two games), we had the better record within the
division, we had the better overall record, we beat you guys *twice*, we're
in the playoffs, and so on.  They're both good teams, but I don't think there
is any question which team was better this season.  And please don't use any
lame excuses about *who* they beat.


> I might as well also say that I've (along with some of the Packer players)
> have lost a little respect for Dennis Green and the Vikings. On the field,
> verbal abuse flew, especially after the Vikes had the game in the bag. Ooh,
> what men. Trying for a luck touchdown at the end just to burn us what a
> pretty cheap shot (I won't even mention the second quarter on side kick.)
> I thought that the Vikings had more class than that. I hope that they do,
> but I don't know anymore.

Now this is the ultimate in sour grapes.  The Pack loses in a BIG way, they 
are completely dominated in every aspect of the game, and you start crying
about the Vikings play-calling and the shouting matches between the players.
"... verbal abuse flew..."  My goodness, the nerve of those Vikings, actually
shouting nasties at the Packers.  Jesus, Bob, wake up!  This is a football
game, not to mention an extremely heated rivalry game with great importance.
And I suppose that, much like the Packers fans at the Dome that you described
in another post, the Packers players were perfect little angels, never saying
a word.  Yeah, right... just ask Chuck Cecil.  As for the plays, I don't see
anything wrong with trying to get Sean another shot at a TD pass with the
way he and the offense have been struggling... they need *anything* they can
get to bring this offense some confidence.  And I certainly don't see an 
onside kick in the SECOND QUARTER as being cheap.  Christ, what is wrong with
trying to surprise the other team and score more points???  Isn't that the
point of the game???  (Actually, just as an aside... I guess I'm the only one
who saw it this way, because I haven't heard anyone else say so, but I didn't
even think that *was* an onside kick... I thought they were trying to squib
kick it to prevent a return, and it just happened to hit one of the up-men).

I anxiously await your response, Bad Boy. :-)

Jim
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