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From: hnaylor@igc.apc.org (Hilary Naylor)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: SOUTH AFRICA: Death of detainee
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:26:00 GMT
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From: Hilary Naylor <hnaylor>
Subject: SOUTH AFRICA: Death of detainee

/* Written 10:25 am  Jan 21, 1993 by hnaylor@igc.apc.org in igc:ai.general */
/* ---------- "SOUTH AFRICA: Death of detainee" ---------- */
Amnesty International
International Secretariat
1 Easton Street
London WC1X 8DJ
United Kingdom

DATE: 19 JANUARY 1993

          SOUTH AFRICA: AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL SENDS OBSERVER 
                   TO INQUEST INTO DEATH OF DETAINEE

An Amnesty International delegate arrived in South Africa on 14 January 1993
to attend an inquest into the death in police custody of Bethuel Maphumuloa. 
However, the inquest was postponed until 15 February 1993.

Amnesty International's delegate is Professor Derrick Pounder, Head of the
Department of Forensic Medicine at Dundee Royal Infirmary and Chair of the
United Kingdom branch of Physicians for Human Rights.  In 1991, he observed
the inquest into the death of Donald Madisha in South African police custody
on behalf of Amnesty International.

Amnesty International has been concerned for many years about the torture and
ill-treatment in South African police custody of detainees, arrested both for
political and other reasons.  The situation grew worse in 1992 with a rising
number of deaths in police custody under suspicious circumstances - some 120
during the year according to human rights organizations in South Africa.

Bethuel Maphumulo died while in the custody of the Soweto Murder and Robbery
squad in December 1990.  On legal advice he had voluntarily surrendered to
police with the agreement that he would be brought to court within 48 hours
and police would not oppose his bail application.  When his lawyer arrived in
court, he was informed that Bethuel Maphumulo had drowned in the police
station swimming pool while attempting to escape.  However, post mortem
reports by both independent and State pathologists revealed that Bethuel
Maphumulo had injuries consistent with strangulation and not drowning. 
Despite such findings, in direct conflict with the police version of events,
the authorities have refused to take any action over the past two years
against the police officers involved in Bethuel Maphumulo's death.

The inquest was apparently postponed because a senior State counsel was
unwell.  Professor Pounder was able to discuss Amnesty International's
concerns about the case and related issues with lawyers and medical experts
before leaving South Africa on 15 January.  Two members of the International
Secretariat are remaining in South Africa for the next 10 days to collect
information about deaths in detention and other human rights issues. 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Subject: Re: Clinton Gets Earful at Open House
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:29:27 GMT
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)

In article <1993Jan22.200150.16444@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

>>"And I wanted to call my parents.  But they aren't talking to me for
>>the last 11 years because I'm a lesbian.  I hope your Administration
>>will change that."

>I'm missing something.

It's obvious - she wants Clinton to cure her.

At least, that's the way I read it the first time. What's the
technical term for this sort of sentence problem?
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                                    D is for lots of things
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: safarj@aix.rpi.edu (Jonah Emanuel Safar)
Subject: Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:34:35 GMT

sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith) writes:

>In article <1jljjdINN8td@morrow.stanford.edu> alpha@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Alpha Schram) writes:
>>   BTW, not surprised to see that those UK'ers find it odd to drink cold
>>   coffee--they find it odd to drink ANY coffee.  I wouldn't call the
>>   muddy instant stuff they serve over there coffee.  Nearly KILLED me,
>>   ya tea swillin' Brits! ;-P
>>
>Ah, the true separation between our countries lies not in language, but
>in what we drink -- typical American attitude to tea that.  A friend,
>emigrating to San Diego recently, had a wonderful time trying to convince
>US customs to let her take in several pounds of good quality tea, she
>knowing perfectly well that there was no chance of getting any once out
>there....
Right!  That does it!  I'm in Troy, NY and I find tea just fine and damn
good tea as well.  Bloody Brit stereotyping.  All American drink coffee?
Horrible stuff, causes the kidneys to rot.  Give me a strong tea any day.

-Points (Who makes his own Peppermint and Camomille tea)
-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
 If the President won't do it to his wife, he'll do it to his Country. -Unknown
________________________________________________________________________________
Jonah E. Safar             R.P.I., Troy, NY              EMail to:safarj@rpi.edu
From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Rings (was Re: Wedding bands)
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:48:08 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <76698@apple.apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
>Stewart Kramer:
>
>>In article <1993Jan13.221513.18486@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>>>In article <76615@apple.apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a sexy squirrel) accuses me:
>>>>Font queen!  Font queen!
>>>
>>>Not really - I don't know enough to deserve that title. I'm trying
>>>though, honestly I am.
>> 
>>But I thought "queen" in this sense referred more to "knowing" in the biblical
>>sense.  Or is that what you meant after all?
>
>Hmmm.  Does this mean that sans serif is cut?  Is Palatino an uncut font?

I don't know, but there's nothing like a font that gives good ligature....

--
         David R. Preston   drp@dosbears.uucp dosbears@netcom.com
              Information gladly given but safety requires
               the avoidance of unnecessary conversation.
            D. R. Preston 584 Castro St. #614 SF CA 94114 USA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: eak@gagme.chi.il.us (Edward A. Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Why not cure homosexuality
Originator: eak@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:10:20 GMT

paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings) writes:
: quoting me: 
:>I myself have had a form of therapy allows and encourages screaming
:>when the shoe fits, so to speak, and I have found a definate lessening
:>of my homophobia when I got through a few issues. 
:
I probably should hae left that part out!

:Well now, that is one versatile therapy!  Not only can it remove
:homosexuality, it can lessen homophobia as well.
:Gee, the only other treatment with as wide a spectrum of effectiveness
:of which I know is... death!
:
It is.  According to Janov it cures all of the things a person
may have felt "compelled" to do:  drink too much, compulsive 
gambling, drugs, whatever a person does to avoid painful feelings
from childhood.  The incident to which I made reference there 
was one in which a guy came over and make sexually suggestive 
remarks.  I was very uncomfortable with him, very "homophobic" if 
you will.  I had a scream session that night in which I got in 
touch with a vision of myself being sexually molested years ago.
The next day at work I was immune to this guy's innuendo and 
even left him uncomfortable with my own innuendo!

:How long 'n' loud does one have to scream to keel over?

That time it took me about an hour but I have seen improvements
after just twenty minutes of screaming.

-Ed
From: black@sybase.com (Chris Black)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay male incest survivors
Date: 19 Jan 93 19:15:16 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

If you're having trouble finding the resources you need, see if you can
create them.  Run an ad in the gay papers looking for other gay male
incest survivors and start an informal support group.

Good luck!

-- Chris
black@sybase.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Book Review "The Homosexalities"
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:16:00 GMT

Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:

>That doesn't mean we can bash gays any more than we should hate blacks becaus
>that group is more prone to crime.

How *giving* of you. And do you think it's in the chemical makeup of
a black person to be criminal? Don't answer that...

Oh, Here - Take my laundry. You *are* Asian, after all...

>It does mean that any talk that gays
>are statistically and psychologically just like anybody else is pure bunk
>for anyone that bothers to dig in the facts (as is drug use and
>promiscuity). Any bunch that simply throws away all relevant facts and then
>stands on no supporting evidence in my mind has some problems.

You're so full of shit you can't go to New York without being chased
by people with pooperscoopers. Queers *are* psychologically normal -
are you saying that any *sane* person wouldn't occasionally go nuts
from being pointed at as the root of all evil?

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico
      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
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From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Any word on military ban yet?
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:00:17 GMT

In article <109@bbx.basis.com> scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:
>I didn't hear the whole CNN story but it sounded like
>some kind of temporary order has already been issued while a more 
>complete executive order gets drafted.

A small glitch... the Joint Chiefs want to meet with Clinton
face-to-face before they do anything which he has requested through
Les Aspen.  I guess they are still nervous on his executive order
time-table and his intentions on getting the code of conduct modified.
I think all CLinton needs to do is smoothe down a few ruffled feathers
and then the witch-hunts will stop and the paperwork will change.
There will still be rules of conduct concerning homosexuality off-duty
and off-base, but those will have to be changed through congress,
although the executive order could tell the powers that be that they
should look the other way or go with equal ease on the "crimes" as
they do with heterosexuals.

-- 
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|AMD PCD MS-520 | 5900 E. Ben White|Austin, TX  78741  |f:512-462-5155 |
|"No is yes, And we're all free" ---Tracy Chapman, "Why?"              |
|My views are my own and may not be the same as the company of origin  |
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Into the streets!
Keywords: Clinton, advisers, resistance to change, controversy
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:15:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.C1DHHu.EDn
Organization: Open Communications Forum

rrizzo@star-trek.bbn.com (Ron Rizzo) writes:
>WE MUST AGITATE, beginning now and for months, maybe years, to come.  We must
>take to the streets and the airwaves, to local and national governments, and
>continually pressure the Clinton administration not only to not renege on or
>fatally compromise campaign promises but to act soon and effectively.
[...]
>So, agitate for change!

I'm with you, Ron.  I'd also like to add that, even if Clinton turns out
to be really good on our issues, there's a danger that we'll get too
dependent on having a sympathetic party in the White House and be caught
napping some presidential election.  It takes time to build up a grassroots
support structure, we shouldn't let ours get neglected through complasancy.
-- 
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bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)        |  but I felt as though 
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff)     |  I was 'bothering' it."
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Israel Relaxes HIV restrictions on *some* foreign nationals
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:15:44 GMT
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Israel announced Tuesday that it will not test tourists, journalists or foreign
embassy officials for HIV antibodies. In modifying an announced plan to
test all foreigners entering Israel it said that it still intends to test most 
immigrants for HIV before granting citizenship. Prospective immigrants from
the former Soviet Union and Ethiopia are excluded from proving that they do not
have HIV.  Israel has reported 215 cases of AIDS and had introduced the testing
plan to try to stem the spread of disease. AIDS activists had crticized the
plan for violating human rights and insisted that spending the money on education would be more effective on reducing HIV infection. 

[assembled  from wire reports]
   
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From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Subject: Re: safer sex question
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:38:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.113615.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> hjanules@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>
>	I just went for an HIV test two days ago.  The counselor made it clear
>that going down on boys was a risky activity.  Regardless of HOW risky it is, I
>personally would not play around with odds in a case like this.
>	I would advise you to contact the people who wrote that pamphlet and
>set them straight.  Believe me, honey, I know the frustrations of safer sex. 
>However, It's all for a good cause.
>
>	By the way, the counselor also stressed that lesbians are not immune!
>Get out those dental dams and those latex gloves and get down!
>
>Fezzer


My roommate on occasion would suck off 30 to 40 men a night at the Wilsonville
restop!  For years.  He jokes everytime we go their that his car veers right
trying to go in.....

My roommate is very negative.......

It is funny that people play with these numbers....yet get in their car
with no problem......

Bil
From: ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Blatant birthday information! : -)
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:28:28 GMT

In article <thaaang.727990262@cwis>, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>
> tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson) writes:
>
>>If you age with the same flair and humor with which you write, you'll
>>be lookin' mighty fine.
>
> (titter) Flatterer! I'll get to *you* as soon as I'm done with Jess.
>
aren't you rather assuming here?  what is to say that once you are done
with jess you will have the ENERGY?  B)

                                                -ailsa

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From: bearcub@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Bob Koenig)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: MOTSS-oriented music?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 13:50:32 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Reply-To: bearcub@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: bearcub@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

From article <63-JNEWS-2.1@wonky.UUCP>, by ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy):
> 
>> In article <1993Jan23.085540.12922@fuug.fi> an6245@anon.penet.fi
>> (Nobody in particular...) writes:
> 
> i know i'm forgetting a lot of women's music Names, but these are the
> ones in my collection, anyway...
> 
> and of course, there's Erasure, Mark Almond, and Romanovsky and Philips,
> but that's hardly news to y'all, eh?  B)
'
Dumb question time.....I've been following this thread, mainly because music
is my life. But I am not fully grasping what we are defining "Motss-orientated
music" by. Are we looking for lyrics that "suggest" homosexuality, or are
we looking for gay artists, or what? The previous examples are sorta mixed...

Whatever the case....

Freddie Mercury's solo project, "Mr. Bad Guy" is filled with songs of love
and good natured romance...but rarely gives a clue as to who he is 
singing about. He doesn't mention a lot of "She's" or "He's". The only track
that I know he identifies a female is "Foolin' Around", with some lyrics
saying: "Foxy lady/ you can turn on any man you want..." 
	The rest of the tracks are just out there....the only one I can think
of off-hand that gives hints towards men, is "My Kind Of Lover" with lyrics
that "suggest": "I wanna boogie down with ya bro'/Boogie down with the 
bassman/win love on the grand slam/I'll be there waiting when you call"
	All in all, the album is great. Classic Freddie. He does a lot of what
he's known for doin' on stage with Queen. A lot of improv, a lot of those
"De do de do de do da da"'s and just bangin' away at a piano. Great emotion.

(There's my .02)

Bearcub
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Good lord!
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 11:35:21 GMT

In article <74293@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com
(George Dalton Madison) writes:

>Thaaang realizes in astonishment:

>>When I did, I found *two*
>>*hundred* and *fifteen* messages stashed away!

>Thanks, John.  You've made me feel better about having let 15
>messages build up unanswered..... but then, I took care of
>that yesterday....  ;-)

You boyz want numbers?  I'll give you numbers!  Well, nevermind,
no I won't, it's too depressing.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: billy@briarpatch.uucp (Billy Green)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: MOTSS-Oriented Music, Part II
Date:      28 Jan 93 01:48:42 PST
Organization: Briarpatch Associates, San Francisco, CA

paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings) writes:
>Well, I've always kind of enjoyed Erasure's version of 'River deep, 
>mountain high', in which Andrew sings "When I was a little girl/
>I had a rag doll/The only doll I ever owned/And now I love you just 
>like that rag doll/Only now, my love has grown".

What's the difference between that and Gregory Hines singing "I'm
Just Wild About Harry" without changing that song's gender references?
(He did just that little thing on Saturday Night Live many years ago,
with Eubie Blake playing piano for him.)

On the other hand, though, was the country version of the Beatles' song,
"I Feel Fine", in which the singer felt obliged to change every personal
pronoun and every gender reference so that she couldn't be accused of being 
a lesbian:  "My baby buys me things/You know he buys me diamond rings/
You know he said so"..."I'm so glad that I'm his little girl".  Why bother?

Also on the subject of MOTSS-oriented music, if you look carefully, you 
might still be able to find a collection of vintage jazz recordings from 
the 1920's, 30's and 40's, entitled, "Sissy Man Blues" (and thanks again 
to Jack Hamilton for pointing this one out).  It is relatively easy to 
find recordings from that period sung from the point of view of a "bull-
dagger" or a "freakish man" or other "deviant" music (such as songs about
recreational drugs or songs containing lots of sexual innuendo/bad puns), 
but they're usually buried in multiple-disc "THE COMPLETE <artist's name> 
<studio name> RECORDINGS (Volume 76--January 3-January 8, 1947--ten discs)" 
collections.


Billy Green
San Francisco CA
briarpatch!billy@lever.lever.com

"Stick out your can!
Here comes the garbage man!"

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Subject: Re: subscribe
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:08:03 GMT

MARKD@urjwc.ucla.edu ("Davis, Mark A.") writes:

>Please subscribe me.

Oh dear, we've converted another one.
-- 
Brent Capps    (B4) htw-c++g+k++s-e++    | "I tried using UNIX once, 
bcapps@agora.rain.com (gay stuff)        |  but I felt as though 
bcapps@atlastele.com (telecom stuff)     |  I was 'bothering' it."
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rwhite@jagat.uucp (Robert White)
Subject: Re: Finally!!!
Organization: Rob White and Friends
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 09:47:35 GMT

I work with a guy born in 1970.  As such all he really knows about politics
is Regan Era Garbage.  And it shows...
-- 
Robert C. White Jr.               ______
Just some guy.                     \__/
(Insert clever banalities here)     \/
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: The Fall(well) of the U.S.
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:00:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.004641.6385@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> gandalf@ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell) writes:

>I usually never watch the fundie tv people, but the other day I was channel
>flicking and came across Jerry Fallwell... ranting and raving about the
>"militant homosexual agenda." In the spirit of "know your enemy," I watched
>it. 
>
>It made me sick.

But, Tom!  You didn't use the word "bitch" to describe him!  What's
the matter, don't you *reeeeely* hate him?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
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