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Subject: RE: pmail agent for unix mail program
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:34:32 GMT
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> has anyone written a gateway for pmail that will log into a unix
> box, run mail, and get all the messages into itself?   This would
be
> a serial port or telnet port with a login for a specific user, and
> not a host to host connection i am talking about.

I have PERSONALLY written a POP3 gateway for PMAIL.  This would do
what you want.  The program is called POPgate and it is shareware.

How POP3 works is it logs into a POP3 server running on port 110 of
your unix box.  It enters the user's userid and password and then
retrieve's the user's mail and puts it into a pmail compatible format.

When a user wants to send mail, POPgate has a SMTP program to send
internet mail back to the unix box.

If you are interested, Popgate is available from several FTP sites
including:

Host pinus.slu.se

    Location: /pub/pc/mail/pegasus/misc
           FILE -r--r--r--     136320  Sep 21 21:41  popgt10c.zip

Host risc.ua.edu

    Location: /pub/network/pegasus/misc
           FILE -rw-rw-r--     136320  Sep 21 21:41  popgt10c.zip

Host swdsrv.edvz.univie.ac.at

    Location: /pc/novell/pegasus/misc
           FILE -rw-r--r--     136320  Sep 21 21:41  popgt10c.zip

Hope this helps.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:59:00 GMT+1200
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From:         "Wendy Edwards, ChCh School of Medicine,
              New Zealand" <WENDY@CHMEDS.AC.NZ>
Subject:      Printing with NW Lite 1.1

Hi,

We just upgraded from NWLite 1.0 to NWLite 1.1 . Everything seems to be going
OK on all but one machine. When we try to print from Reflex on that machine
to a printer (called LABELS) connected to that machine, Reflex will sort but
then hang while printing.

Originally it hung on a very big job and reducing the char per sec to 500 fixed
that but today it hung on a small job (10 labels) and only by increasing the
chars per sec could I get it not to hang.

It only happens printing from Reflex to that printer (which incidentally is a
Panasonic KX-P1081 with a PC-Direct 286i computer). Printing to a file then
printing the file to the 1081 printer is OK. Printing to a laser printer
attached to another computer is OK too.

There is an identical computer/printer set up in the next office and that runs
fine (although I did notice that the char per sec for that one was 0 !?).

This has only happened since the update to 1.1

Any ideas??

Thanks in advance

Wendy Edwards
Computer Consultant
From: VFOAO07H@VAX.CSUN.EDU (George Mansoor)
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Subject: Vrepair Problem
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:04:06 GMT
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I am having a proble running VREPAIR (nw 2.15c).  When I run it, the
fileserver locks up on me.  Can anyone offer any suggestions?

thanks

George

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From:         GRG1678@VAX2.QUEENS-BELFAST.AC.UK
Subject:      Info about Pmail and X.400 for those who asked

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Subject: Re: Pmail and X.400
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>
> From:          GRG1678@v2.qub.ac.uk
> To:            PMAIL-UPDATES@BUSADM1.CBA.HAWAII.EDU
> Subject:       Pmail and X.400
>
> I recently posted a query like this to the Novell mailing list so anyone who
> saw it there please excuse the repetition.
>
> Is anyone out there linking Pmail to an X.400 MTA (Message Transfer Agent)?
> I know (from reading the mail archive at Splicer) that David doesn;'t
>
>
>
> have any plans in this line, but has nayone else done this or even attempted
> it? Any info or advice appreciated.
>
> Tony Sheehan
> grg1678@v2.qub.ac.uk
>
> Queen's University, Belfast
> Northern Ireland
>

It depends on what you really mean :-)

If you happen to have a Unix machine handy Or perhaps even a VAX?), you
might try running PP (the British MTA Postman Pat, apparently an ISODE-
based affair). This should be able to convert SMTP mail from Charon
to x.400 (or UUCP or anything).

If you want to stay inside the PC world, I fear you have to make to with
MHS and a commercial X.400, say, Retix.

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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:49:00 CDT
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From:         CSVCDAH@NNOMED.BITNET
Subject:      HP OpenView

From Ton Roovers:                                                       .nl
> ..... I'm using several HP Hubs for a couple of months now and they are
> performing fine and so does HP Open View.

Is anyone using HP OpenView to monitor 3COM ethernet cards on their
network?  We have Cabletron hubs and HP OV allows us to control/monitor
those hubs very nicely... we would like to extend some of that function-
ality to our network cards.

I understand 3COM has their own product (Linkwatch) which performs
this over IPX protocols, but I would like to stick with HP OV if I
can...

Thanks,
Dan Henry               __o
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Reply-To:     Scott <sgallowa@cbg-99sima.army.mil>
From:         "Scott D. Galloway" <SGALLOWA@LETTERKENN-EMH2.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      BNC "t" connector, grounding thinwire

[FAQ number 1,125:]
Are standard BNC (RG58) coax T-connectors self-terminating?  IE. I
thought if I disconnected the BNC male conncetor part of the T from my
NIC card [and NOT the T from the actual cables], it didn't cause a
[significant?] disruption to anyone else on the thinwire... is this true?

[FAQ number 1,126:]
If I have 3 RG58 thinwire segments [w/ two repeaters in between] within an
office environment, what is the best means of grounding these segments, or
do you really have to ground them?

Sorry about the basic questions, you can send replies directly to me and
I can summarize the responses.

Thanks!
Scott

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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:53:13 EDT
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From:         "(Peter Ballantyne)" <peterb@SVENGALI.WEBO.DG.COM>
Subject:      Windows & Netware 3.11

can anyone suggest a solution to the following problem?  When one
of our servers is taken down by the system manager, those users who
are attached and running Windows get a message saying "Server xxxxx is
down".  When they click the "OK" button, their workstation will
hang, requiring a power cycle to clear it.  We do not use the
server for Windows files.

I've followed all the recommendations of several documents,
including all the latest revisions of Novell software, and setting
GET LOCAL TARGET STACKS = 5 in the NET.CFG.

Novell's Research Report "Integrating Netware and Windows 3.1" does
refer to a similar condition caused by the Windows interrupt 24h
Critical Error handler problem, but our symptoms differ from those
described.

The obvious workaround is to detach from the server before it's
taken down, but that only works if the user is around to do it!

Peter
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Reply-To:     McFarland@WILMA.WHARTON.UPENN.EDU
From:         Sue McFarland <MCFARLAND@WILMA.WHARTON.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Intel EtherExpress Network Interface Cards

Kathleen,
We did purchase a quantity of these cards this past summer.  Though
they are working, we have noticed the following:

     We did not have any luck using the Packet Driver for the
     boards. Inter claims they have a more recent, improved packet
     driver but we still had no luck.  We are using the ODI driver
     for the board and all is well.

     Our machines periodically hang during AUTOEXEC when forced to
     load the ODI driver.  Rebooting
     the machines quickly fixes the problem.  I am not sure this is
     the boards "fault" but we did not have this problem with our
     8-bit 3COM boards.

Good luck,
Sue


> We are looking at a quantity buy of these cards, and
> I am interested in receiving feedback from those of
> you currently using it.
>
> Please e-mail me directly and I will summarize for the net.
>
> --
> Kathleen Applegate, Sr. Analyst      apple@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov
> Marshall Space Flight Center             Voice:  (205) 544-7656
>
From: MELOUN@VISION.FELK.CVUT.CS (Michal Meloun)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.novell
Subject: BootP Server for Netware 3.11
Date: 17 Oct 92 02:10:32 GMT
Reply-To: meloun@vision.felk.cvut.cs
Organization: Czech Technical University
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Please let's announce that a freeware BootP server is available
at anonymous FTP server novell.felk.cvut.cs in directory
/pub/nw311/bootpd.

It is a NLM for Novell Netware 3.11. We would appreciate any comments and
bug reports. Please send them to meloun@vision.felk.cvut.cs. Due to many
requests this is released as soon as possible and is probably still buggy.
Please take it as a beta release and yourselves as beta-testers. It was
tested on Ethernet only as we have no access to other hardware.

Sorry for the transfer speed, it's only 64kbit/sec line.

       +----------------------------------------------------+
       !        Michal Meloun, network and system manager   !
       !        Czech Technical University of Prague        !
       !        Dept. of Control Engineering                !
       !        Karlovo namesti 13                          !
       ! 121 35 Prague, Czechoslovakia                      !
       !----------------------------------------------------!
       !   phone: (+422) 29 56 64    fax: (+422) 29 01 59   !
       !       internet: meloun@vision.felk.cvut.cs         !
       +----------------------------------------------------+
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From: chad.w.german.1@nd.edu (Chad W. German)
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Subject: Urgent multiple PC's locking up
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:23:16 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame

Here is what at least 20 PC user's off our network is having problems with.

PC's are locking up(no action from keybd)  and some are getting divide 
overflow errors.....

What is strange is if they disconnect the RJ45 cable that links them to the 
campus network then the PC locking up and other errors are no longer there...

We are using ethernet cards and the Clarkson packet drivers v. 10 are being 
used to connect to our fiber optic campus backbone.....  Type of network 
cards are 3COM and SMC.....

Our Networking services group is pointing it on possibly the packet drivers 
while 3/4 of the other PC community at Notre Dame is running fine on the 
exact same setup....

Any suggestion...  Anyone else seeing some things happening with the use of 
the packet drivers.....

Thanks in advance for all info...
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:08:33 CDT
Reply-To:     jford@seebeck.ua.edu
From:         James Ford <JFORD@SEEBECK.UA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: gopher

>I know of 2 gopher packages,  Which one are talking about?

Actually, there are several flavors of Gopher.  The ones I know of are:

    PC_Gopher  (client/server)
    MacGopher  (client, server probably exists but I haven't seen it.)
    Unix   (client/server)
    VM/CMS (client/server, two versions:  Rice_CMS and Vienna_CMS)

All are FTPable from boombox.micro.umn.edu in /pub/gopher.  If you are on a
Bitnet Site you can TELL LISTSERV AT RICEVM1 GET GOPHER PACKAGE......or the
name could be VMGOPHER PACKAGE.






>
>David A.Eddy
>Director of IS
>Wishard Memorial Hospital
>Indiana University Medical Center
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             jford@seebeck.ua.edu, jford@risc.ua.edu
             The University of Alabama (in Tuscaloosa, Alabama)
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From:         "David.Gersic" <David.Gersic@F70.N11.Z1.FIDONET.ORG>
Subject:      NetWare programming

Does anybody know the format of the LOGIN_CONTROL property in the NetWare
bindery? I know what it's used for, but the API manual (and Rose's book) do
not document the structure. I start hacking at it tomorrow morning, but it
would be nice if somebody else has already got it so I can check my work.



... <Sigh> You can lead a user to Docs but you can't make 'em read.
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From: GOVE036@TWNMOE10.BITNET (Anne Liang)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.novell
Subject: Server abend
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:32:54 GMT
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Hi,

We run NW3.11 on IBM Compatible 386 PC with 16 MB RAM and four 600 MB hard
disks mirrored two by two, one pair SYS volumn, the other pair VOL1 volumn.
It works well.
                            the server
However, when we try to boot   on another similar machine except the 8 MB
RAM instead of 16 MB RAM,  the server abended when started to mount SYS.
The error message is something like:

Abend: Nonmaskable interrupt error(parity error)
       Initialization process
       problem on System board
Stacks: 6A .......

Ths server still booted when run on the original machine. So it seemed not to
be the hard disks problem( we use SCSI controller)

Any ideas/experience? Thank you very much.
Anne Liang
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:01:00 GMT+1200
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From:         "Wendy Edwards, ChCh School of Medicine,
              New Zealand" <WENDY@CHMEDS.AC.NZ>
Subject:      RE: usage log

John DeLorey writes:

>I was wondering what others are doing for server use statistics.  I need
>stuff like "How many people were logged on in this lab today", and "How many
>different users were on the system this month?".  Does anyone know of an
>easy way to get this info? (it must be cheap too!) I was thinking of using
>AWK...has anyone done this?
>thanks
>john

We use McMenu here as a means of giving users access to programs, and that
program actually has in it a logging facility.


Wendy Edwards
Computer Consultant
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From:         drews@CAE.WISC.EDU
Subject:      Re: IPX source code for C Libraries
              from "Rick Wagner" at Sep 28, 92 12:25 (noon)

>
> Does anybody have any source code for ANYTHING that uses IPX?  I have
> been trying to implement a Peer-to-Peer connection using a combination
> of IPX and SPX and have been having severe problems.  The only source
> code that I've been able to get is for the spxchat that comes with the C
> libraries.
>
> There are a few files on compuserve that appear to be what I need but
> they are not locatable by archie.  If anybody has a file that begins
> with IPX, it may contain what I need.
>
> Thanks!
> Rick Wagner
>
>
What have you been trying to do?  I have worked on a set of libraries that
can be used in IPX peer-to-peer communication.  I am currently working on
a set that will use to IPX/SPX (IPX to start SPX for the bulk of
communication).  Let me know if I can be of any help.

Jim

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University of Wisconsin - Madison
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:27:48 +1000
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From:         "(Brad Willcott)" <brad@POP.CC.ADFA.OZ.AU>
Subject:      Re: FTP Server for Netware 3.11

On Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:46:43 -0600,
  Joe Doupnik writes:

[...]
>        My reading is Murkworks is very serious about feeling their work
>has been compromised (I thought you would like to know that much, maybe not)

Yes I am interested in this.

[...]

Brad.
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Brad Willcott,                      Internet:   brad@pop.cc.adfa.oz.au
Computing Services,                 UUCP:!uunet!munnari.oz.au!pop.adfa.oz!brad
Australian Defence Force Academy,   +61 6 268 8163  +61 6 268 8150 (Fax)
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:36:57 EDT
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From:         Ken Hirsh <KEN@FACULTY.LAW.DUKE.EDU>
Subject:      Abend cause apparently found

Twice earlier I had posted help messages to the list.

The problem:  Server was abending with Non Maskable Interrupt
parity errors every 1-3 days.

The system: a 3-yr-old Zenith 386/25.  We added 4 MB of RAM to
make 8 total, replaced the original 150 MB ESDI drive with a
Micropolis 340 MB drive, and by virtue of its higher speed had
to replace the controller, with an Ultrastor 12F24 ESDI
controller - it would keep dismounting the volume when using the
 older drive and controller.  A Racal- Interlan NP600 lan card.
(for Lattisnet Unshielded twisted pair, a precursor to true
10-BaseT)

Within 3 days we got the nasty ABENDS.  I checked RAM and found
two SIMMS not installed correctly.  Still the ABENDS.  I had a
complete diagnostic done on the computer and found a bad I/O
board.  We replaced it, and still the ABENDS!  Along the way I
had one GPPE crash with multiple abends.  I loaded the
appropriate patches and returned to nice, normal :) NMI parity
ABENDS.

I tried NOT leaving MONITOR.NLM loaded for the long term.  I had
read that version 1.67 had triggered some ABENDS because it did
not release some resources properly, so I had been running
version 1.69.  Well folks, it looks like MONITOR was the
culprit.  We are now running 8 days without a crash.  I load
monitor just when I want to see statistics and then unload.  The
server is in a locked room and the remote access program is
password protected so I am not concerned about locking the
keyboard.

My non-CNE guess is that there is a conflict with the way
Monitor handles polling and the NP600 card, which is described
as a "pre-fetch" card and handles packet buffering differently
than most other cards.

If unloading monitor had not stopped the problem, swapping the
card was going to be my next move.

So, I hope this provides a useful lesson to anyone out there
with similar problems.
__________
Kenneth J. Hirsh
School of Law Library
Duke University
Box 90361
Durham, NC 27708-0361
(919) 684-6182
ken@faculty.law.duke.edu
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From: declan@scout (Declan Fleming)
Subject: Re: Electronic employee monitoring
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:00:30 GMT

I worked for a telemarketing firm here that not only listened
in to the calls, there were reports generated to track how long
you had been on the phone.  If you were off the phone for more than
10% of your shift, you were history.

I like good-old-fashioned people monitoring for computer sites.

Declan
From: bill@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Bill Swartz)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.novell
Subject: Re: need help loading *.bin for IBM bus mastering T/R card
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:50:05 GMT
Organization: Temple University
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Forrest Christian (FORRESTC@BUS-TECH.NOV.SNOW.EDU) wrote:
: > Ok so I  (1) installed the card, (2) ran the auto configuration
: > (3) copied the *.bin files into a directory (4) ran server (5)
: > typed tokendma and (6) received a message saying the token ring
: > cards microcode is not loaded.
: >
: > question: How does one load the microcode? via config.sys?, a
: >           Novell utility?, or perhaps a 3rd party utility
: 
: There is a program on one of the novell disks..  The same one that
: tokendma is on.  It is called loadmc or mcload or something like that.
: run it and it will load the microcode into the adapter.  This needs
: to be added to your autoexec.bat (before server is run).
: 
: Hope this helps
   Firmload.com is the file you need.  I am not positive if you must 
   explicitly load both .bin files, but I know that method does work as
   in:     FIRMLOAD MONT????
	   FIRMLOAD ?????   ( I can't remember the 2 file names.

   HTH!
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