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From: marksteg@merv.detroit.sgi.com (Mark Stegbauer)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: homesick in Autumn
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:07:06 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <mK9ye-0s2@lopez.marquette.MI.US>, steve@lopez.marquette.MI.US (Steve Lasich) writes:
|> wurton@netcom.com (William L. Urton) writes:
|> 
|> >[deleted materail on being homesick for Michigan]
|> 
|> >  Springs are 
|> >kind of nice, but they are too short and we're back to the tropical summers
|> >again. I'm lucky though-I'll be able to spend a week in paradise (southern 
|> >Michigan) at Christmas! 

  I think they meant paradise (descriptively), *not* Paradise,MI. 

  I have been there several times also, and by no means consider myself a wet blanket. :)

|> Well, I hate to be a wet blanket, but I have been to Paradise and


|> it's not in the lower peninsula.  Paradise is near the eastern end of 
|> the Upper Peninsula between Newberry and Whitefish Point.  
|> 
|> You might be thinking of Hell.  THAT's in lower Michigan.
|> 
|> 	Yours in the pursuit of Geographical Correctness,
|> 
|> 	Steve Lasich, steve@lopez.marquette.mi.us, acsl@nmumus.bitnet
|> 
|> -Posting from the Great White North, Public Access Usenet and the
|> -oldest established permanent floating BBS in the UP.  Now 
|> -delivered by satellite, believe it or not.  Write for details.
|> -Oh, and yes, there's snow on the ground.  Three feet deep in places.
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From: zeus@camelot.bradley.edu (Alex Lecea)
Subject: Re: homesick in Autumn
Keywords: n
Organization: Bradley University
Date:  8 Nov 92 02:36:08 GMT

Joseph Raquepas writes:

> I just can't help but jump on the "I miss the Great Lakes" bandwagon
> myself. I grew up in the Flint area and after graduation migrated out
> west. Despited the 20% unemployment, the filthy drinking water and air,
> the hideous crime rate and all of the other things that make Michigan 
> a fine place to raise your kids---I do miss it.!

Hey!!  Flint's not _all_ that bad anymore...  Especially since Michael
Moore moved out...   8-)  

I still plan on going back after graduation, if there's any jobs
left...

alex
--
You are ten centimeters dilated.  You may now give birth.
    -- Worf, "Disaster"
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From: charbonn@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (gary charbonneau)
Subject: Re: Snow and Ice
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:38:49 GMT

In article <DFB=cW#@engin.umich.edu> Jeffrey Stuit <Jeffrey.Stuit@um.cc.umich.edu> writes:

>Studded tires are illegal in all of Michigan, and have been since
>sometime in the 
>1970's.  They suposedly caused too much damage to road surfaces.

Or, as a newspaper headline once read, "Stud Tires Out."



-- 
Gary Charbonneau
charbonn@silver.indiana.edu
From: eam13@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Madigan)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: surfing in Lake Superior?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 02:32:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: eam13@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Madigan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, cs401005@scs.carleton.ca (jeff brinskelle) says:

>    Hey, has anyone on the net done any decent surfing on Lake Superior?  Especially the northern shores in Canada?
>

I've been scuba diving in Lake Superior and if you are going to surf,
get a dry suit.  The water around Isle Royale in August is 40 on the 
surface!  Hypothermia is a real threat for surfing. 
BTW I heard of some guy doing Lake Superior's perimeter on a jet ski
a couple years ago. 

Liz (one of the Liz's, that is)
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From: eam13@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Madigan)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: Great Lakes
Date: 7 Nov 1992 17:03:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: eam13@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Madigan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, stick@lopez.marquette.MI.US (Stick) says:

>allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>
>>eam13@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Madigan) writes:
>
>
>>>Ahhh!  Funny how it goes both ways.  Here I am in the Cleveland
>>>area and missing boring old Columbus.  I live a half mile from
>>>Lake Erie and can play on a beach just about any time I want,
>>>but I was in Columbus for 8 years....  I thgink my solution would
>>>be to move all of my Columbus family up here and have the best
>>>of both worlds.  At least I can count on enough snow to go
>>>cross country skiing-that was never much of an option in Columbus.
>
>>It looks like from your internet address that you're attending Case.
>>If so, and remembering what I do about that area, and not knocking
>>Cleveland at all, but I can understand some of the missing of 
>>Columbus.  Still, after having recently been in both Cleveland and
>>Columbus on business trips, I still say Columbus is, IMHO, more fun
>>to be in.
>
>   Yeah, but she's right near the University Circle, the cultural heart of
>the city, as well as being a stone's throw from a beach.
>
Well, unfortunately, I only go to school near University Circle. I live
in Lake county which is 20 miles east of the city.  But the good news
is that the lake runs all the way to Pennsylvania. :)
I've heard it may go further, but have that only by report.
KIDDING! 

Liz

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From: imsgjraq@sinc.oscs.montana.edu (Joseph Raquepas)
Subject: Re: homesick in Autumn
Keywords: n
Organization: Montana State University, Bozeman  MT
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:29:21 GMT

 I just can't help but jump on the "I miss the Great Lakes" bandwagon
 myself. I grew up in the Flint area and after graduation migrated out
 west. Despited the 20% unemployment, the filthy drinking water and air,
 the hideous crime rate and all of the other things that make Michigan 
 a fine place to raise your kids---I do miss it.!

 Joe Raquepas
From: robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Robin Bush)
Subject: Re: surfing in Lake Superior?
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Reply-To: robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:49:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.010920.4984@cunews.carleton.ca>  
cs401005@scs.carleton.ca (jeff brinskelle) writes:
>     Hey, has anyone on the net done any decent surfing on Lake Superior?   
Especially the northern shores in Canada?


I don't know about Superior, but one of my old boyfriends used to surf the  
wakes of tankers on the very western end of Lake Ontario. I am not sure  
about the exact location of all this, but I think there is a spot where  
the big ships move up the St. Mary River through a dredged channel because  
the actual bottom is very shallow.  A tankers displaced  an enormous  
amount of water, the result being huge long waves over water that was  
other wise only a couple of feet deep. 


----------------------------------------------------------
Robin 
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: cjt1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Charles Ten Brink)
Subject: Re: surfing in Lake Superior?
Reply-To: cjt1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:45:16 GMT

In article <SUSAN.92Nov12145658@felix.noaapmel.gov> susan@noaapmel.gov (Susan Collicott) writes:
>
>I think he's going to pester me about this until the day I die!  He keeps
>bugging me about "Yah yah, why should I believe you about [blah] when you
>lied to me about the waves on Lake Superior?" poke poke poke.
>
Stick him on a rowboat in Superior in November, with a recording of
"Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald".  That'll teach him.
--Chuck

-- 
D'Angelo Law Library         "The dogmas of the quiet past are
cjt1@midway.uchicago.edu      inadequate to the stormy present. . .
uclcjt1@uchimvs1              We must disenthrall ourselves. . ."
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From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: I'd move back to Michigan IF . . .
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:12:16 GMT


1.  Michiganders were more tolerant of differences.

2.  I could live rural and still get a decent job.

3.  Someone else would plow the snow on my property and drive me to
    and from work every day :-).
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: todd@chester.cms.udel.edu (Todd Sanders)
Subject: Re: I'd move back to Michigan IF . . .
Reply-To: todd@chester.cms.udel.edu
Organization: Marine Studies, University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:57:27 GMT

In article 4xu@well.sf.ca.us, casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton) writes:
>
>1.  Michiganders were more tolerant of differences.

I can't say about Ca. but here in Newark, Delaware on November 22, the Invisible Knights,
ie. the KKK, will be marching. I spent a few years in Chicago, where the %'s of non-WASPS were much 
higher than this place will see, it was no where near as racist.

I'd move back to Michigan if there were a respectable Grad program in Geophysical Fluid 
Dynamics.  Because there is none,  I get to watch a bunch of hateful, shallow minded fools
attempt to create more dissent amongst a group of people who are already very close minded. 




Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: susan@noaapmel.gov (Susan Collicott)
Subject: Re: surfing in Lake Superior?
Organization: NOAA/PMEL, Sand Point Way, Seattle, WA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:56:58 GMT


This isn't about surfing per se, but about waves in general.  I've been
raving about the Great Lakes to friends out here, and commented quite a
few times about the huge waves that Superior gets.

So one of my friends drove from here to Boston, up over Superior.  He has
never let me forget that Superior was supposed to have huge waves - the
days he was near the lake, it was flat and calm, with only wakes from boats
marring the surface.

I think he's going to pester me about this until the day I die!  He keeps
bugging me about "Yah yah, why should I believe you about [blah] when you
lied to me about the waves on Lake Superior?" poke poke poke.

Humfph!  Non-believers!  (Althought he *was* nice enough to bring me back
a baggie of taconite pellets from the Duluth Harbor.)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: cs401005@scs.carleton.ca (jeff brinskelle)
Subject: surfing in Lake Superior?
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:09:20 GMT

    Hey, has anyone on the net done any decent surfing on Lake Superior?  Especially the northern shores in Canada?
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: steve@lopez.marquette.MI.US (Steve Lasich)
Subject: Re: homesick in Autumn
X-bbs-room: Great Lakes Net (room #202)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:18:10 EST
Organization: Great White North/UPLink

mardiros@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Martin Mardiros) writes:

>The only consolation to living outside of Michigan is that U of M football
>and basketball games get a lot of National coverage.

A couple of weeks ago I was at a friend's house on a Saturday
afternoon (don't tell me about fall, it was sleeting outside) and I
was surprised to hear a "U of M versus MSU" football game on the audio 
emanations from the TV set.  "They aren't playing today," says I.

I was even more surprised when I saw the colors of the uniforms.

The game wasn't a solace for expatriate Michiganders.  It was the
University of Montana versus Montana State.

Steve Lasich, steve@lopez.marquette.mi.us, acsl@nmumus.bitnet

ob. weather remark: It's snowing, which is a welcome relief from
		    yesterday's freezing rain/snow/sleet.  Slush
		    from the sky.  Winds from due north made a
		    straight fifty mile run over Lake Superior
		    from Canada and produced a pretty unusual 
		    (for November) two day lake-effect snow storm.  
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: ljlucas@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Lori Lucas)
Subject: Re: Snow and Ice
Organization: U S WEST Information Technologies
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:27:53 GMT

In article <7NOV199215214797@zeus.tamu.edu> sea7399@zeus.tamu.edu (ALEXANDER, STEVEN ERIC) writes:
>Does anyone know if studded tires are legal in Wisconsin, the UP, and lower
>Michigan?
>

Last time heard, studded tired were illegal in both Wisconsin and Minnesota.    Unless the laws have changed in the last couple of months, anyway.
				Lori

P.S. - This law, I'm told, only applies to residents, not tourists.
From: paula@PRC.Unisys.COM (Paula Matuszek)
Subject: Re: homesick in Autumn
Organization: Paramax Systems Corporation (A Unisys Company)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:46:31 GMT

In article <92311.223927ERB107@psuvm.psu.edu> Elizabeth R. Bain <ERB107@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>The other day I mentioned that I missed going to
>the apple orchard for the day, with hayrides and then cider and donuts for
>everyone, adn the people here looked at me like I had just walked off of
>a spaceship.  None of them have ever done the orchard thing!

In defense of Pennsylvania, the day before yesterday my brother and I
took my kids to the local orchard for the day, where we went for a
hayride, had doughnuts and hot mulled cider, tasted 8 kinds of apples,
etc.  So I don't know about people you talk to at Penn State, but the
whole idea is alive and well outside Philly.  Furthermore, my brother
has been going to the same orchard for the same ritual since he was in
grade school.

But I do miss Michigan.  And I haven't found any orchards selling hard
cider yet...

--Paula Matuszek
  paula@prc.unisys.com

Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: imsgjraq@sinc.oscs.montana.edu (Joseph Raquepas)
Subject: Re: homesick in Autumn
Keywords: nn
Organization: Montana State University, Bozeman  MT
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:33:30 GMT


>Hey!!  Flint's not _all_ that bad anymore...  Especially since Michael
>Moore moved out...   8-)  
>
>I still plan on going back after graduation, if there's any jobs
>left...
>
>alex

OK I confess! I'd move back to Michigan in a heart beat if I could.


J. Raquepas



Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: bacon@mtu.edu (Jeff Bacon)
Subject: Re: I'd move back to Michigan IF . . .
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:37:19 GMT

In article <BxH13r.MuG@news.udel.edu> todd@chester.cms.udel.edu writes:
>I'd move back to Michigan if there were a respectable Grad program in Geophysical Fluid 
>Dynamics.  Because there is none,  I get to watch a bunch of hateful, shallow minded fools
>attempt to create more dissent amongst a group of people who are already very close minded. 

hey, the Geo ppl at MTU have been on a roll lately...

-bacon
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From: kstell@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (kevin.l.stell)
Subject: Re: Great Lakes
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 11:17:40 GMT

In article <92308.090113KROBIN@MIAMIU.BITNET> <KROBIN@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>When I was little we lived in Kenosha and we went to a swimming beach on
>Lake Michigan.  Because it was a part and parcel of our life style, I went
>
> .....


WOW, you mean people actually admit living in Kenosha..I did when I was little
also..It was my first real recollections as a child. This of course, was
back in the early `60's.

Born in MI, lived in Kenosha, but spent most of my life in N. VA, I promised
myself I would return to the G.L. region someday..Well I made it!

As for Kenosha, I used to live down the street from the K.A.T. across the
street from a bar, that the truckers moving the cars from AMC would stop
in front of our house (duplex) and I as a kid started throwing mud on the
new cars. Boy was I a brat!!! (..I feel much better now!). Also got in
trouble for walking to the "PIGGlY WIGGLY" by myself at age 5. I think I
lived somewhere around 36th or 34th street. Anyone out there willing to 
comment on this and help me re-live my childhood..BTW I remenber going
down to the lake to watch them load jeeps into the ships..wow that seems long
ago!!!

Kevin
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:39:27 EST
From: Elizabeth R. Bain <ERB107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: homesick in Autumn

Me too!!

I'm from Plymouth (nice cutesy little suburb, decent water, trees,
actual cown town area, etc.), and these people here in PA, nice as they
are, just have no clue!  The other day I mentioned that I missed going to
the apple orchard for the day, with hayrides and then cider and donuts for
everyone, adn the people here looked at me like I had just walked off of
a spaceship.  None of them have ever done the orchard thing!

Oh well.  At least I know I'll be back for Christmas, so I can shop at Meijers,
drink Vernor's, and window-shop at Jacobson's.

Liz.
erb107@psuvm.psu.edu
The Pennsylvania State University  (University Park, PA)
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From: imsgjraq@sinc.oscs.montana.edu (Joseph Raquepas)
Subject: Re: LA is Not Northern California, was Re: I'd move back to Michigan IF . . .
Keywords: n
Organization: Montana State University, Bozeman  MT
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:38:37 GMT

Jeff Bacon writes:

>Seems like the only "hate crimes" up here occur after the beer runs out,
>and generally involves someone having forgotten to buy more. :)

>-bacon

Yes! I heard about the incident up in L'Anse. The cops pulled over
a beer truck driver and beat him for not stopping at a local bar that
was running low. It seems the truck driver had a long history of such
behavior so the cops got time off with a pay raise.   :-) 

j. raquepas

Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp)
Subject: Re: Snow and Ice
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:54:16 GMT

In article <BxHGE4.29A@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> scott@phylo.life.uiuc.edu (Snooky Fudge) writes:
>

>On Wisconsin:

Hey! I get it!!  Goood old Badgerrr Staaate!

-- 
David Knapp                                      University of Colorado, Boulder
Perpetual Student                                   knapp@spot.colorado.edu
From: cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: homesick in Autumn
Date: 8 Nov 92 09:39:36 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Nov5.172921.17546@coe.montana.edu>,
imsgjraq@sinc.oscs.montana.edu (Joseph Raquepas) writes:
> I just can't help but jump on the "I miss the Great Lakes" bandwagon
> myself. I grew up in the Flint area and after graduation migrated out
> west. Despited the 20% unemployment, the filthy drinking water and air,
> the hideous crime rate and all of the other things that make Michigan 
> a fine place to raise your kids---I do miss it.!
>
> Joe Raquepas
>
>
Filthy dirnking water and air?????????????  Ok, maybe by Montana standards, but
have you been to Northern CA lately?  By my standards Michigan water and air
are crystal pure!

A.J. LoCicero >> cicero@hotcity.com

The opinions expressed above ARE those of my employer!
This message comes to you from beautiful Morgan Hill, California, U.S.A.:
The front line in the war against suburbanization!
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: todd@chester.cms.udel.edu (Todd Sanders)
Subject: Re: surfing in Lake Superior?
Reply-To: todd@chester.cms.udel.edu
Organization: Marine Studies, University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:10:14 GMT

Please,Please some respond to this.  It sounds completely outrageous.  I would love to know if people surf Superior!!


In article 4984@cunews.carleton.ca, cs401005@scs.carleton.ca (jeff brinskelle) writes:

>    Hey, has anyone on the net done any decent surfing on Lake Superior?  Especially the northern shores in Canada?
From: sea7399@zeus.tamu.edu (ALEXANDER, STEVEN ERIC)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Snow and Ice
Date: 7 Nov 92 21:21:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Does anyone know if studded tires are legal in Wisconsin, the UP, and lower
Michigan?


Thanks,
Steve
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From: prb@chinet.chi.il.us (Paul Botts)
Subject: GREAT LAKES INFO AVAILABLE
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:36:48 GMT

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From: gryzwa@mr.med.ge.com (Mark Gryzwa 4-6860)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Isle Royale
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:21:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance

Did anyone see the PBS show on Isle Royale and its artists last night?
I only caught the end of the show and was wondering what the title is.

Also, does anyone know if it will be rebroadcast anytime soon?

BTW, The scenery that I did catch was incredible.  
-- 
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