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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:16:12 -0500
From:         AIRBORNE THE FIREMAN IS BACK <CDUNBAR@UNTVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Hazard Lights on Emergency Vehicles

Mark and others interested,

We have traffic lights set up near our stations that will switch colors when
they receive a coded signal from our dispatcher.  When the engine(s) approach
the light, the radio op on the apparatus says something like "Engine 22 Code 4"
(not sure what the correct code used is because this system has been added since
   I left this department).  When the apparatus is clear of the intersection, th
   e
radio op calls in "Engine 22 Code 5".  The dispatcher in both cases sends a
signal on a special frequency which activates the traffic lights.

A second thing our department uses at major roads which connect to our drive
ways (when no traffic lights exist near by) are approved signal signs.  We
have the standard yellow sign with a fire truck symbol on the side of the road
.  One faces each direction of traffic, and both are placed so that the
corridor created is large enough for full mobility of fire apparatus (including
backing in).  Mounted on top of these signs are flashing yellow lights and some
red lights (which are turned off unless we have a call).  The yellow lights act
like a typical "use caution in this area or intersection" lights.  When we get
a call, however, the driver presses a button on the dash of the fire engine
and the red lights start flashing.  Drivers in the area have learned that when
these lights start flashing, 2 24 ton fire engines will be blazing out of that
drive way.  We also have painted white lines lined up with the sign which say
"STOP WHEN RED LIGHTS ARE FLASHING".

I don't know how the system is working now, but I do know we had a few
difficulties in the beginning because of some conflict with the county approving
   the signs without the state being notified and the state getting angry or
something like that...  Oh well.  Anyways, I don't remember the company name,
but I have seen their adds in Firehouse magazine.  If you would like to see how
those signs are working with the Cypress Creek Volunteer Fire Department in
Houston, Texas, call them at (713) 894-0151.

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Christophe Dunbar               Bitnet: CDUNBAR@UNTVAX
University of North Texas       Internet: CDUNBAR@VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU
Third year                      Internet: CDUNBAR@SOL.ACS.UNT.EDU
Computer Science major          Internet: CDUNBAR@PONDER.CSCI.UNT.EDU
Cypress Creek Volunteer Fire Department
Argyle Volunteer Fire Department
Level I Firefighter Certification in the State of Texas.....
as we say down here........
                                        Texas, the Republic of !!!!!! =)

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From: CHENL@DEPAUL.BITNET (Nick Lauerman)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Fidonet feed
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:09:00 GMT
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It seems that here lately when I sign on in the AM there are about
75-100 messages in my mail file.  Of these most are FIDO feeds or
worst repeats.  I agree with the two other replies to this subject
that I have read.  FIDO net either needs to clean up or maybe get dropped
from the list?  To many message, to much band width, to much memory
being taken overnight.  This morning a batch job was cancled due to
not enough memory for results, it was also a record message day,
135 new messages, about 80% were EMERG-L and most were FIDO feeds
and were deleted with out reading (except when the feed did not
but a subject line).

Please do not take this as 200 proof flame.  Just that for the first
hour of work today I spent deleting messages, luckly the mail program
here alows me to delete with out reviewing/reading not true on some
systems.

There must be some way to make this work.

Nick Lauerman
Lab Coordinator/Safety Officer/Chem Hyg Officer/Primary responder(only)
EMT-a
DePaul University    Department of chemistry
BITNET:  CHENL@DEPAUL
INTERNET CHENL@ORION.DEPAUL.EDU

"Good Day"  Paul Harvey, pick any day
From: Gary.Saffer@f290.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Gary Saffer)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Photograpers On Scene.
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1992 03:48:00 -0800

I am not sure how this thread started, but here is my opinion.

To all of you that wonder why EMS never gets any good exposure in the
press. Maybe your attitude towards the photogs and camera men has
something to do with it. I have been in EMS for about 14 years and have
had my picture taken at scenes many times. Over that time I and a lot
of
the people that I work with have built up a good rapport with the local
photogs. This has many advantages: first we get good press in the
papers
and on TV. Second, on the rare occasions that we have to ask them to
move or not film something they usually are cooperative.

These guys have a job to do and know that we do as well. A little
cooperation is the key to getting good press. I would suggest that
those
of you who do not like the press at your scenes get to know them
better.
After a while you can suggest to them that they stand back at certain
scenes and take their pictures from further back. Find out who in your
area does "spot" news photography and where they hang out in between
jobs. If it is any thing like the Boston area there will be a press
photographers association that can help you with some of these things.
Talk to the officers of this association and see what they have to say.

Good relations with the press can only help with improving the image of
your agency.

Later

Gary

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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:10:16 -0500
From:         AIRBORNE THE FIREMAN IS BACK <CDUNBAR@UNTVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: J FF

Dwayne and anyone else interested,

To diminish identification problems between junior members, probates, and
full members, we used different collored reflective strips on helmets and
different types of gear.

Junior members had to wear either green reflective triangles on the sides
and back of the helmet (front is for reflective departmental emblem) or
reflective green half-moon stripe labeled "Junior Firefighter" (like ya'all
see in those adds in Firehouse.)  Probationary members had to have red
triangular reflective stickers on the back and sides of the helmet.  The full
members could wear anything else (of course, any labeling would have to
correspond to his/her rank =).

Also, our department switched to PBI gear about 4 years ago and have a store
house full of NFPA certified Nomex II and Nomex III gear.  We give the Nomex
to the Probates and the Juniors (granted, MOST of this stuff we give to the
Probates and Juniors is UNOPENNED gear =)  When a probate clears his / her
probationary period, we already would have gotten their measurements, so we
would give them there new gear on that day!

Well, you might want to try the sticker method because I am sure most
departments don't have a surplus of unopenned Nomex gear and can afford to
custom fit and custom order PBI gear for all members.  Blame it on
Compaq Computers =-)

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Christophe Dunbar               Bitnet: CDUNBAR@UNTVAX
University of North Texas       Internet: CDUNBAR@VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU
Third year                      Internet: CDUNBAR@SOL.ACS.UNT.EDU
Computer Science major          Internet: CDUNBAR@PONDER.CSCI.UNT.EDU
Cypress Creek Volunteer Fire Department
Argyle Volunteer Fire Department
Level I Firefighter Certification in the State of Texas....
or as we say down here....
                                        Texas, the Republic of !!!!!  =)
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From: Dwayne.Rich@p20.f1000.n151.z1.fidonet.org (Dwayne Rich)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: J FF
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1992 12:21:11 -0800

In a message of <Nov 03 15:49>, George Vaisey (1:260/237) writes: 
 GV>Dwayne,
 GV>        COuld you send me some statistics on if any one got hurt
while 
 GV>responding to calls (Juniour FF).  Thanks


        None of the junior firefighters got hurt while repsponding to
any of the 
calls.  The biggest problem we had was identifying them at fire calls. 
We have 
had some that were so gung ho that you just about had to tie them to the
trucks 
to keep them out of a house fire.  We no longer have a j FF program
(lack of 
interest)


Dwayne
 
  


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From: abcs3500@Oswego.EDU (Bill Wood)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Emergency Show
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:27:57 GMT
Reply-To: abcs3500@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Bill Wood)
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY

In article <721444696.F00016@remote.halcyon.com> Rick.Wilson@f2112.n327.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Wilson) writes:
>gs> Mayfair, or was it Mayhew. The mere fact that I can remember
>gs> that much
>gs> proves that a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
>
>Mayfair. :)
>
 wasn't there also Schaefer's ambulance service?? I seen to remember that name
from early(?) episodes???  

Bill
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From: Michael.Seneco@f340.n141.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Seneco)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Afa training..
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:27:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: remote.721525017.F00036

Michael Seneco Overheard William J. Vital talking about Afa training..
recently..... 

 WJV> Red Cross Prehospital
 WJV> medicine has evolved dramatically over the past 20 years. AFA was,
in
 WJV> it's time, the standard of care. This was at a time when
ambulance
 WJV> crews basically ran "scope and swoop" operations. Although If you
do
 WJV> want to help others the answer to your question should be obvious.
Ask
 WJV> yourself this: If you were lying in the street critically injured,
who
 WJV> would you want taking care of you, someone with 40 hours of
training
 WJV> (AFA), or someone with triple that training (EMT). 


        Bill, 

                To anwser your question quoted above : I would want
anyone
                who could help me to provide me with aid. I certainly
would
                not ask them what there training was before I allowed
them
                to assist me. Last I checked, there is no difference in
the
                way a Red Cross trained and an EMT trained person stops

                someone from bleeding. 

                You are right, the Red Cross was the only trainer of
ambulance
                persons beofre the DOT created the EMT training, but did
you 
                realize the Red Cross had significant representation on
the
                DOT committee that created the EMT modules ? And that
the Red
                Cross derived it's knowledge and information from being
the
                primary battle field medical provider in the Civil and
First
                world war ? 

                The Red Cross made the concious decision to take a
different
                route when the DOT course was designed. They identified
a 
                need for First Aid training, quality First Aid
training,
                to lay persons in the community and the work place to 
                further the chances of those struck with a medical
emergency.
                It follows along hand in hand with EMS training, then
and 
                now. It helps ipitimize the saying `When Minutes
Count'.

                The Red Cross is furthering its efforts on this behalf
by
                revising the AFA course to reflect recent changes in 
                Medical Teachings. They are keeping up. 

                So yes, I would trust a Red Cross AFA person with my
life
                secure in the fact that they are a part of the system,
not
                interferring with it. 

                Michael Seneco, EMT-A
                American Red Cross & New Haven Ambulance
                New Haven, CT



... Support your local Medical Examiner - Die Strangely !!!
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From: Blake.Bowers@f33.n116.z1.fidonet.org (Blake Bowers)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: emergency show
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:38:38 -0800

 -=> Quoting Gary Saffer to Blake Bowers <=-

 GS> BB} JN> KMG365, I believe was the call sign. Taking a guess at GE
 GS> }Right on the call, the radios were motorola Apcors,

 GS> BB} JN> for the radios. The band is something as elusive as Beaver
 GS> } JN> Cleaver's locker combination, I'm afraid
 GS> }UHF, judging from the Apcor radios, which I do not believe were

 GS> Blake, Blake, Blake, my misguided friend. Any  real scanner fiend
 GS> knows that LA County FD was on VHF until the late 1980s. Dispatch
is
 GS> one thing, Medical Control is another. Early APCORs were called
Well, I could be wrong, it happened once before, oh around 1963, or so,

(GRIN)
     The radio on question looked just like the UHF version (I have 3
and 2 of the whitecase Hipower sitting next to the desk)
And seeing as many of the shows have the radio sound of completely
different
areas, the dispatch could even be, say Boston.  But whatever, I will
bow
to your knowledge.  Gee, I never even wondered where the LA county FD
was now, 
much less then (grin)

... Support your local medical examiner - die strangely
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From: George.Vaisey@f237.n260.z1.fidonet.org (George Vaisey)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Patches++
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 19:52:00 -0800

Paul,
        I don't mean to keep you waiting but we officially paid for them
in about 1 week.  Asoon as I get one its is YOURS.  Thanks for your
patientce.  ALso you mentioned you would copy some Fire Clip Art for me.
 How many low-density disks would I need for your good ones (working
fires,rescues,pumpers, or emblems).  Thanks again.  I really appreciate
you allowing me to put your patch on my board and waiting this long for
a patch.  I Really am sorry that it has taken this long.  WOuld have
written sooner but Nominations came up and I submitted one for PRESIDENT
AND CAPTAIN (too much paper work).  Talk to ya soon.           


                       George Vaisey

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From:         AIRBORNE THE FIREMAN IS BACK <CDUNBAR@UNTVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Hazard Lights on Emergency Vehicles

Justin,

Yes, 2 or however lights are sufficient, BUT, we American's (especially us
Texans) like to be "flashy" (no pun intended =).

Well, while the above was stated jokingly, I guess part of the reason is that
we have so many lawyers wanting to make a buck by butchering public
servants and defending the "innocent".  We, as responders and EMV operators,
must use all of these lights for OPTIMUM visibility.  The photo strobes tend
to flash so quickly and brightly that they tend to attract more attention than
flashers.  Our engines 1 $3000.00 full length photostrobe light bar and 2
$1500.00 half-length photostrobe light bars on top (all 3 have flash-blue and
red lights alternating), 4 front mounted high-intensity flash-blue photo
strobes, 2 side mounted flash-blue photostrobes, and 2 bubble gum red rotating
strobes mounted above the tail-board.

While we spend lots of money on light bars, we sometimes ending up spending
less if someone runs into us while we are responding and the person says
"I didn't see it coming!"  Heck, when we're lit up like a Christmas tree
coming cautiously down the road (around intersections), anyone can see us,
day or night (ESPECIALLY night!).  Besides, all these lights are great for
parades and driving around subdivisions around Halloween  =)

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Christophe Dunbar               Bitnet: CDUNBAR@UNTVAX
University of North Texas       Internet: CDUNBAR@VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU
Third year                      Internet: CDUNBAR@SOL.ACS.UNT.EDU
Computer Science major          Internet: CDUNBAR@PONDER.CSCI.UNT.EDU
Cypress Creek Volunteer Fire Department
Argyle Volunteer Fire Department
Level I Firefighter Certification in the State of Texas.....
or as we say down here.........
                                        Texas, the Republic of!!  =)

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From: Michael.Seneco@f340.n141.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Seneco)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: AFA training..
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1992 09:51:08 -0800

Michael Seneco Overheard Diana DeNearing talking about AFA training..
recently..... 

 DD> I am a student at a college here in PA that recently paid for me
to
 DD> take Standard Adult CPR and First Aid training, as part of my job
as a
 DD> driver for the Health Center/Public Safety.                        
 
 
 DD>  And, is the Red Cross changing their system around in '93, 
 DD>  and should I wait to get my AFA... I'm a very broke college
student 
 DD>  who can't really afford to take more than is necessary.


      Yes Diana, the American Red Cross IS changing there AFA class. In

      actuality, they no longer teach AFA. The first of 1993 they will
      be offering a class called Red Cross First Responder - FIrst Aid
      for the Professional Rescuer. 

      This class will include more intense instruction on managment of
the
      trauma patient, more medical diagnostic skills including vital
signs,
      and introduction to Oxygen Therapy. 

      Most Red Cross units have stopped teaching AFA, as they are making
the
      change over in instructors to the new class. This does depend on
the need 
      and demand for the class in each area. 

      For those who are certified in AFA, your certification will remain
valid
      for the stated period, but you will not be albe to refresh it, you
will have
      to take the new course. 

      The material is very good, has been OSHA and AMA approved. It has
brought
      Red Cross FA Training into the 1990's. Finally....

      Good Luck !


      Michael Seneco
      American Red Cross
      New Haven, CT




... Punishment should be cruel and unusual, it works better.
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From: Shreyas.Shah@f303.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Shreyas Shah)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: SOFTWARE
Date: 5 Nov 92 00:26:50 GMT

BM> Partially.  I need the FidoNet address (net/node number).
 
Sorry, the Fidonet address is 1:278/702
 
Shreyas
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From: Jack.Still@p3.f211.n270.z1.fidonet.org (Jack Still)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: pre-planning of haz-m
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:17:53 -0800

In a message on <Nov 10 17:15>, Jason Turner of 1:297/12 writes:

 JT> MR. PHILLIPS. IN CAPS.. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE TELLING 
 JT> ME WHAT TO DO.  IF I WANT TO TYPE IN "CAPS" THEN I WILL DO SO.  
Computer etiquette on e-mail is if someone type in "caps" it's
considered "shouting" is the reason.  Also I most think "caps" are
harder to read.  Have a nice day.

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From: Blake.Bowers@f33.n116.z1.fidonet.org (Blake Bowers)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: message for marc hoda
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 23:41:18 -0800

 -=> Quoting Brian Paul Wilde to All <=-

 BPW> From: wildeb@aix.rpi.edu (Brian Paul Wilde)

 BPW> Anyway, I wanted to respond to your post about starting up an EMS
 BPW> system on campus.  Here at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (RPI)
in
Just thought I would share with you, seems to me that SUNY at Albany
also
had or has a volunteer student organization that did EMS transports,
when I
worked for Capital District Ambulance, a number of years ago, the
students
were quite active.  

Anyone know if Capital District in Albany is still running the FD
transport?
are they still around with old ray Fish?  (Think that was one of the
owners 
names)
... Death is the unfortunate side effect of attacking a Cop!
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From: Kevin.Agard@f94.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Agard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Philly
Date: 7 Nov 92 14:51:00 GMT

To: leber@PANTHER.WARM.INMET.COM  (Thomas Leber)

TL>>                Baltimore:    1 unit per 43709 residents
  >>                Philadelphia: 1 unit per 67528 residents
  >>                New Orleans:  1 unit per 69689 residents

TL>>So New Orleans currently seems to have the unpleasant edge in the
figures,
  >>although the picture is obviously more complex than simple
units-per-capita
  >>And as Bob points out, daytime population can (and often does)
diverge
  >>widely from the the census figures. Also, these population figures
are
  >>12 years old.

TL>>Philly is trying to cope better by equipping most engine companies
as First
  >>Responder units, with automatic defibrillators.

Why not just put more REAL Ambulances on the road!

Regards,

KMA

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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Bus accident.
Date: 7 Nov 92 14:51:00 GMT

To: abcs3500@Oswego.EDU (Bill Wood)


BW>>Also:
  >>  Strong was code green???  That's definitely a rarity!!
  >>(for all of you who don't know what this means, at certain points of
the da
BW>>the hospitals tie up 155.340 and discuss how busy they are.  Green
means th
  >>they( the ER) are not very busy, blue means busy, and CODE RED means
closed
  >>unless prior permission was granted.

I assume that this is in NYS and if so the ER CANNOT close, they CAN
request a bypass but you are under no obligation to honor it.


regards

KMA

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From: Christopher.Baker@f14.n374.z1.fidonet.org (Christopher Baker)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: ZONE 3 LINK
Date: 27 Oct 92 20:41:00 GMT

is now going to David Tilson at 3:632/404. he then distributes it down
under.
 
he'll be checking in as soon as he picks up his first packet.
 
TTFN.
Chris

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From: Kevin.Agard@f94.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Agard)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: "emergency" Docs
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 08:05:00 -0800

RE>>RK> ->> P.S.  Can you name the doctors?
  >>RK> WC>  Dr. Kelly Brackett
  >>RK> WC>  Dr. Joe Early
  >>RK> WC> I don't remember the black doctor's name.

RE>>I believe the black doctor's name was Dr. Morely <sp>

Actually, I beleive his name was Morton.

KMA

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