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From: pcp2g@karma.astro.Virginia.EDU (Gilligan)
Subject: Spoilers! Re: Chain Of Command Part II -- review
Reply-To: pcp2g@karma.astro.Virginia.EDU (Gilligan)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:07:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.061303.11354@mercury.cair.du.edu>,
mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN) writes:
|> In article <Bzxt23.L31@world.std.com> tob@world.std.com (Tom O
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|> >And Jellico's character, especially in refusing to rescue JLP gave
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|> >a very good conflict.
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|> He didn't exactly refuse; just seemed to; this would have been a big
|> conflict except he immediately asked for Picard's return at the end
|> which seemd to me to be a jump in character.

Not at all. When he refused earlier, he had no power to rescue Picard. 
Where was he? Even we never knew.  I figured he was on Cardassia, but
we
never actually *knew* that. He was offered a chance to visit the ruins,
but that does not preclude his being on some other planet, or even
on a ship somewhere.

Later, after the mining (I hated that part), Jellico held all the
cards;
demanding Picard back was his duty, and not out of character at all. 
Jellico, for all his faults, understood duty. He just has a different
way of maintaining it on his ship. He was an asshole, to be sure, but
a good negotiator, or else he wouldn't have been assigned to talk to
the Cardassians in the first place.

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*
* "To escape from our own island, we must each metaphorically
*  kill our own Gilligan..." 

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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 01:51:45 GMT

Eric Williams writes
> Regarding her choice of uniform: Has everyone forgotten her
> Betazoid/zed background? Marriages take place in the buff.

However marriage ceremonies aren't the topic of discussion in this  
thread and concentration on marriage ceremonies is neither Picard's nor  
Troi's jobs.  Exactly how does simply being part Betazoid allow one to  
not have to follow the dress code that every other bridge crew member,  
senior officer and Lt. Commander have to obey?  It is obvious that the  
"female anatomy is revered and placed on display for effect" but for  
what effect?  This is what is being debated. 

> Also, the E. is not usually a battleship--it is supposed to be [..]

Therefore when the ship is a battleship she should change into a  
uniform?  I've never seen her do that nor have I seen that asked of  
her.  Jellico asked her to wear a uniform when on duty, he made no  
concession for "wartime only".  Also, the ship is the flagship of the  
Federation, the ship that is most powerful ship in the Federation, I  
would think that rules and regulations would be strictest, not most  
lenient, there.  At the very least, the ship is just another Federation  
ship and the rules for dress code should be upheld on the Enterprise as  
on any other Federation ship.

> In these cases, Troi may put out her hoo^H^H^H feelers and [..]

But what does this have to do with her undersized uniform?  And what is  
"hoo^H^H^H" (was this an attempt at retracting "hooters")?

If it is necessary for her to wear non-uniform clothes during  
counseling, why is it necessary for her to wear something that pushes  
her breasts up, chokes off her air supply and displays the tops of her  
breasts as if presenting them to whomever she meets?  What's wrong with  
a regular shirt like other women on the ship wear?  Since her breasts  
and body shape don't play a role in her counseling, why show them off?   
The only reason (a deplorable one) that comes to my mind is ratings.   
Contrary to what some poster on another related thread believes, there  
are many examples of how displaying women in ridiculous poses or  
skintight clothing will result in some sales even though it has nothing  
to do with the product and is completely out of place.  What people  
such as the aforementioned poster, advertisers and producers don't  
realize is that if the product were as good as it is claimed to be, it  
would be sellable on it's own merits and would not require advocating  
the continued oppression of women through insensitive and unrealistic  
presentation as well as the focus solely upon women's bodies.
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: enterprise model colour
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 26 Dec 92 23:35:34 EST

Hi all.  I just got the Star Trek: The Next Generation U.S.S.
Enterprise-D model from AMT-ERTL (stock no. 6619) and would like to know
the correct paint colour for it.  The instruction manual says that it is
"...molded in color so painting is not necessary.".  However, I would
like to paint it.  I can't identify by eye what colour it is molded in,
but if somebody (perhaps from AMT-ERTL) knows could they please tell me
what the colour is?  I, personally, would like to re-paint the model
even though it is "...molded in color...".

Please reply via E-MAIL at bernie.wong@canrem.com.  Any help would be
greatly appreciated.  Thank you!


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Calling from Markham, Ontario CANADA.  It's not cold though!  :-)
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: did anyone pick this up -
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:03:49 EST

 -=> Arthur Scribner babbled to All and look what he said! <=-

 AS> Did any one else notice that when Picard's _torturer_
 AS> was speaking to Picard about some ruins on some
 AS> Cardassian planet, the Cardassian said the some of
 AS> the artifacts had been _unearthed_. I just find it
 AS> ^^^^^
 AS> kind of odd that the Cardassian would refer to the
 AS> excavation of some other planet as unearthing, since
 AS> that word is linked to our planet EARTH.

Silly, unearthed simply means to be taken out of the ground!  Although
the word earth which in that sense means ground probably DID derive from
our planet.  Nonetheless, "unearthed" has no meaning!


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meganization: Arizona State University
Date: Thursday, 31 Dec 1992 09:57:43 MST
From: <AUTSW@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Promo Tape for DS9/Babylon 5

Well, after many requests to make copies of this for people, I can do it, but
it won't be until I return to school on the 19th... So the tapes would
probably not be sent out until the 22nd or so of January. This is on a first-
come, first-serve basis, as I've already gotten many requests. The tape
itself has a 5 minute promo for Babylon 5, then a 5 minute promo for Time
Trax, then a 30 minute behind the scenes look at Babylon 5, then there's the
5 minute promo for DS9, followed by the full 53 miinute interview session
with all the main characters from DS9 regarding the show... The whole tape
is about 1:35 long... So if you want a copy, be one of the first to email
me...
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From: rapp@spell.asel.udel.edu (Brian Rapp)
Subject: Gul Lemec's ship in CoC II (spoilers)
Organization: AI duPont Institute
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:32:27 GMT

This is just a baby spoiler.  The big ones are below....


Perhaps this was obvious to y'all, but I've been puzzling about it...

How does the Reklar get inside the Nebula?

	If they leave after being scanned, warping back to the Nebula
	to join their comrades, why doesn't the Big E simply track their
	course to discover their destination?

	If Jellico & Co. don't know that Gul Lemec's ship is inside the
	Nebula, why does he specifically hail that vessel?

Secondly, why are the Cardassians forced to return Captain Picard?

	Surely they could safely dismantle the mines upon returning
	to Cardassia (or wherever they've stashed him).

	Even if Jean-Luc isn't back at Cardassia, Jellico doesn't know that
	and should easily believe such a story.

	It's not like they're afraid of starting a war by disobeying
	Jellico -- after all, they were _planning_ on starting a war.

Nonsalient points:

	That Cardassian torture device would be loads of fun for the crew:

		Ensign Red Shirt:  "How many days of shore leave do I have?"
		Captain Jean-Luc:  "Four."
		Ensign Red Shirt:  "Wrong.  I have five days!"  [Bzzt!]
		Captain Jean-Luc:  "Aaaaaaargh!"

	Cardassian Name Analyses:

		Lemec = "Le mec" = "The guy" in colloquial French.
			Obviously, Gul Lemec is "just this guy",
			as evidenced by his generic portrayal.  :-)

		Madred = "Ma" (Fr. "my") + "dred" (corruption of "dread")
			Clearly, Madred's name means "my fear",
			as evidenced by his childhood trauma.  :-)

[Your Friendly Neighborhood Ferret]
[rapp@freezer.cns.udel.edu]
From: aj733@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tim Hnat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A must to see (hear)
Date: 28 Dec 1992 00:24:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aj733@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tim Hnat)
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>In article <halabe.724743334@andersen>, halabe@andersen.uucp (Dan Halabe) writes:
>> x92paszek@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>> 
>> [fill in you own joke about "number one" here]
>
BTW...who is Picard's "number two"?
*8)

[th]


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From: ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIAM)
Subject: Thoughts on Coc II
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 23:04:55 GMT

I don't know if others will agree with me but I felt that CoC II was kinda
rushed.  I guess that the story content was too large for one hour.  They
could have shortened the torture scenes but that would take away the good
acting of Stewart.  

Siva

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From: amay3@mach1.wlu.ca (andrew may)
Subject: Re: Racismo en Espania/racismo en Str
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 15:04:48 GMT

nyoung@desire.wright.edu wrote:
  :>Somewhere in the dark, dim, past (at a point almost as dim
  :>as myself), there was an old series episode about this race
  :>of beings on a planet which had nearly destroyed themselves.
  :>In fact, they got as far as the  last two guys. Now one of these
  :>guys was, as I remember, a dude named "Beel" or something. He
  :>had a two-tone face, black on one side, white on the other.
  :>His opponent had a similar face, but the white and black sides
  :>reversed. They were of two different races and they hated
  :>each other. Does anyone remember that episode name? And maybe
  :>even the name of the other guy?
  :>

 The episode was called: Let That Be Your Last Battlefield.
 - 3rd season episode, stardate 5730.2
 - first aired January 10, 1969
 - and the two characters were: Bele, white on right, black on left
                           and Lokai, white on left, black on right.

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From: norbert@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy James)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picards french lines
Date: 29 Dec 1992 17:34:29 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
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In article <1hplulINN9bo@rave.larc.nasa.gov> avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.125620.1163@mala.bc.ca>, dunae@mala.bc.ca writes:
>>In article <1hnaruINN1he@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee) writes:
>>> so what does it mean?? (for those of us who dont speak french).
>>> 
>>>> Sur la Mon D'Avignon
>>>> Sur la pont, d'Avignon (On the bridge of Avignon
>
>now why do i doubt that picard would scream lines from a song
>about dancing to a man who had been torturing(sp) him? i think

Because you don't really think about it enough...

>t. lynch's synopsis had him screaming something about your still
>a little boy 6yrs old, or something to that effect. that makes more
>sense than a childs song (all responces have stated to some effect that
>they were taught the song in their early school years). 
>
>foomshanka
>

Picard first screamed...
 "You are six years old...!  You cannot hurt me!"

Then he started singing, the same song he sung in his bed/piece of
sheet metal, in the scene before...
He was using every trick he could think of to keep from having his
spirit broken during the torture, first the view of Gul as a small
cowering boy, and to strengthen that he brought up happy memories of
his own childhood... All to keep his humanity... Also he may have 
sung the song 'cause he knew Gul had heard him sing it, and knew that 
it was a device that helped him from breaking, and thereby showing
Gul that he held no pawer over him, no matter what the pain...
Picard is God... thats all there is to it, don't question it!



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From: yingst@milori.ccit.arizona.edu (JIM YINGST)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "what about our OTHER friends" (minimal spoiler)
Date: 21 Dec 92 08:30:00 GMT
Distribution: na,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Oops.  I just realized I misattributed Robert O'Brien's comments to Sunil
Perera; my apologies to both for the confusion.

Jim Yingst	yingst@ccit.arizona.edu
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From: ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: computer voice
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:49:58 GMT
Organization: HNSX Supercomputers

>>I just saw a rerun of 1100101(I know I got them mixed up) on the 
>>Fox channel in DC.  I always thought the computer voice on the Enterprise
>>was female, but in this episode when the degeneration/and later regeneration
>>of the magnetic containment field was anounced and when the self-destruct
>>was engaged ( I guess throughout the whole episode), the computer's
>>voice was male.  Does anyone have any ideas?  Just curious.
>>Tom

Maybe the change in voices was just for dramatic effect; to
emphasize that the Binars had re-programmed the enterprise computer.

>You see, in the episode where Picard changed history so that his fiancee didn't
>ditch him at the altar, she ended up working at Starfleet Command and 
>so in all episodes after that, the Computer is the way she programmed it (ie
>with a female voice...)
>
>Or was that another show...? Oh boy.
>
>JJ

Yes, that was another episode. :)
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From: Eric Schlene <eschlene@indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Bridge Watches (possible minor spoilers)
Organization: indiana university
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 13:56:44 GMT



>du!cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!jblackwo
>From: jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J P Blackwood)
>Subject: Re: Bridge Watches (possible minor spoilers)
>Message-ID: <1992Dec22.185300.18237@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
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>
>All this talk about 3 or 4 watches? Some are arguing about time
constraints.
>
>But who saya the Enterprise is on a 24 hour day? They do run a day night
cycle,
>which I suspect is constant? But, 24 hours may or may not lead to the
most
>effieciency. The best cycle might be the average day length for planets
in the
>galaxy.
>

Good point. But efficiency might not be the real reason. As you may be
aware, the medical research  community is slowly learning (in part
through ELM radiation studies) that the human body is "in tune" so to
speak with the Earth. Ambient electromagnetic forces (actually the
interuption of) effect cell development, for example. Since the
Enterprise would be a multi-species work environment, it makes sense that
crew would be assigned duty cycles/tasks best suited for their species,
perhaps even to the extent of recreating the day/night schedule of their
native environs.

Hmm...wait a minute. Does that mean that Santa's elves would be assigned
4272 hours on/ 4272 hours off? :^)

Happy Holidays!
From: kogoma@triton.unm.edu (Taki Kogoma)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Date: 25 Dec 92 21:41:07 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon

In article <rawdon.725309249@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>In <twhrg0n@lynx.unm.edu> kogoma@triton.unm.edu (Taki Kogoma) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec23.183526.8439@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood) writes:
>>>Could we *suggest* (in a pushy way) that the DSN queries go
>>>into the rec.arts.startrek newsgroup for now, then change the
>>>charter/make a new group if the DSN traffic warrants it? That
>>>would take some of the pressure off of this group...
>
>>rec.arts.startrek?  That group doesn't exist.
>
>Sure it does.  I just saw an article on it half an hour ago. ;-)

G'way, Michael.  You know perfectly well what I'm talking about. ;-)

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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Date: 26 Dec 92 17:49:20 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1hftbgINNat1@gap.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright) writes:
>>I would suggest this to be the case for both B5 and DS9.

>TNG and DS9 will be crossing over, so having one group devoted to 
>current TNG and one on current DS9 will produce such overduplication of 
>info as to be laughable.

This brings up an interesting point:  If Paramount actually has a story begin
in TNG and end (or continue) in DS9 (as is somewhat common in the comic book
biz, and occurred at least once in The Six Million Dollar Man/The Bionic Woman
in te '70s, and which would surely be an effective marketing ploy), how will
they work it, given that the two shows may not be shown in the same order in
all parts of the country?

(For instance, the original plan in Madison was to show DS9 the day before
TNG, but according to Vidiot TNG is going to be moved up so that it is shown
six days before DS9 each week.)

The only way that I can see that they could coordinate this is to make sure
that TNG is in re-runs the week DS9 airs, and vice-versa, when a crossover
story is being aired.

A minor problem, to be sure, but still...

>As for B5, it does not and should not affect the r.a.s. hierarchy.  How it
>will impact rec.arts.sf.tv is a different matter, and one that is probably 
>worth discussing.

It might also potentially impact rec.arts.tv.  After all (as I understand it),
Quantum Leap threads appear on both groups...

Still, Tim's right; B5 has no direct connection to Star Trek, and the only
traffic we ought to see here about it would be comparisons between the two
series.  (Assuming that B5 even *becomes* a series!)

-- 
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( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

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"Where they went."
"Suppose they went nowhere?"
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From: M17257@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: RE: TROI SMUT????
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:51:08 GMT

In article <14305.128.uupcb@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>
chris.burgess@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Chris Burgess) writes:
 
>
>norbert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy James) writes:
>
>> A very trustworthy friend of mine SWEARS that
>> Marina Sirtis (Coun. Troi) made a porn movie...
>> Can anyone clear this up?
>
>I don't know if she made a porn movie or not, but I have a GIF of what
>appears to be Marina Sirtis topless, but because it's only viewable on
>my machine in black & white, it is hard to tell.
>
>chris burgess
 
It most likely IS Marina Sirtis--she has done layouts in the UK Playboy mag.
That is from her lips...saw her on an interview several seasons ago.
 
She doesn't have a problem with baring her body...feels it is only natural.
 
Ellie
From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi Smut????
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:48:58 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Dec30.030652.6199@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
>In article <1hqeteINN79b@bigboote.WPI.EDU> norbert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy James) writes:
>>
>>A very trustworthy friend of mine SWEARS that
>>Marina Sirtis (Coun. Troi) made a porn movie...
>>Can anyone clear this up?
>>
>
>Yea...  Your friend doesn't know what he/she is talking about.
>
>Either that or they consider R-rated films to be "porn".
>
>Sigh.  WHEN will this idoitic excuse for a "rumor" EVER end?

The movie that I have confirmation on was a "hard" R.  It does contain
nudity, including chest of Marina Sirtis.  I have a GIF or two from this
movie.

I also have an authentic GIF from a movie that I haven't identified yet.
(Actually two pics).  One is her nude in a pool and the other is her tied
to a bed with a female hand playing with one of her breasts.  These two,
I have been told, are from the rumoured porn movie.

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