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From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Ambient FAQ?
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:02:21 GMT
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In article <Bv96Cq.7oI@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> matthew@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Matthew N. Sharp) writes:
>In article <1992Sep27.182515.18055@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu writes:
>>Motion seconded, this should be rec.music.NIN.ministry
>>you don't even see many S.P. posts anymore, just commercial stuff; 
>>FLA -yeauchh!
>
>Do you mean to imply that skinny puppy is not by definition "commercial stuff"?

whoopsa! well, look at it this way;
in terms of commercialization;
NIN } FLA } ministry } S.P. } ETC...

on the other end of the spectrum.... (my favs)
Throbbing Gristle, E.N., PGR, Halfler Trio, Lustmord, Soviet France, 
Hunting Lodge ,etc...

Skinny Puppy _is_ fairly commercialized & pop-like, but nothing like NIN 
for instance...

actually, besides the obvious (NIN) "industrial" (whatever todays definition i
is still pristine compared to other forms of music, like "metal"; I dare
someone to tell me Megadeath hasn't sold out (yah, its still OK, but sold
out nonetheless)
Or what about "Hard rock"? Is there a non-commercialized "Hard-rock" band
still in existance? (Hard-rock=wimpy metal)

flame away....

-Scott
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz)
Subject: Re: RE Re: excrepts from New Releases
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:08:26 GMT

In article <Bun8y5.DEy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> matthew@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (M a t t h e w N. S h a r p) writes:
>In article <1992Sep15.143434.118@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> aakhan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:
>>In article <BuMu32.8MA@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, matthew@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (M a t t h e w N. S h a r p) writes:
>>---
>>>>Oct1   The Jesus Lizard     "Liar"
>>> 
>>> I have heard demos from the above release and found them rather
>>> pleasing.
>>  
>>> Matthew Neill Sharp
>>
>>FC9.. so..?
>
>So I would highly suggest purchasing it.
>Why the fuck did you post the release dates in the first place
>you shitnosed little buttsucking geek?
>
>
>Does anything ever make _any_ sense to you at all?
>Can you figure anything out for yourself?
>Jesus.  What the hell is wrong with you?
>Are you really this fucking stupid or do you
>just like to pretend that you are on the net,
>AND WHY THE HELL ARE YOU TOO ASHAMED OF YOUR OWN _REAL_LIFE_
>NAME THAT YOU HAVE TO CREATE SOMETHING SO INCREDIBLY 
>PRETENTIOUS AND ABSOLUTELY MORONIC AS "FLESH CHAMBER 9"?
>
>>
>>an offering of love
>>from flesh chamber9
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
>I reiterate... no, I don't have to.  You prove my point every fucking
>second you post, moron.
>
>
>Matthew Neill Sharp
>matthew@mentor.cc.purdue.edu    

I'm getting a clear picture of you now,and it isn't very pretty!!!!!!
You were an abused child huh??????? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????
Heh, you know your real funny when you can't come up with some stupid
remark you tackle someones name!!!!! I guess when you've used up 
whats left in your brain you acted as stupid as a guy called matthew!! 
well looking forward to your idiotic flame back. Gosh, I can't wait!!!
From: lee@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Peter Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: The The (where did it go?)
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:06:58 GMT
Reply-To: lee@cs.umass.edu
Organization: Software Development Lab, UMass, Amherst
In-reply-to: thethe@lagrange.WPI.EDU's message of 3 Oct 92 17:33:15 GMT

In article <1aklgrINN27n@bigboote.WPI.EDU> thethe@lagrange.WPI.EDU (Quincy Cabell) writes:
Path: dime!nic.umass.edu!noc.near.net!bigboote.WPI.EDU!lagrange.WPI.EDU!thethe
   From: thethe@lagrange.WPI.EDU (Quincy Cabell)
   Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
   Date: 3 Oct 92 17:33:15 GMT
   Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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   Does anyone know what became of the group The The (or Matt Johnson the main
   and sort of only guy in it)?  I am looking to find out what happened following
   the release of Mind Bomb...  I called Epic, their label, got a bunch of phone
   numbers for booking agents, business managers, et. and all of them were old
   and useless.

   Does anyone know if he is still a group?  or anything?  Thanks.

   Quincy. - thethe@wpi.wpi.edu

No info on "new" The The, but what appears to be one of his first singles
("Cold Spell Ahead", originally released in 1981) has just been re-issued on
CD in the UK.  I don't know the full history of the track, but it sounds like
it was later to become "Uncertain Smile."  The single was recorded live and
has a very "rough" sound, but its interesting as a historical document, if
nothing else.  I've noticed that this sort of re-issue often preceeds a new
release, so there may be something new in the pipeline as well...

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From: gvokalek@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (George Vokalek)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: NEGATIVLAND : The Letter U and the Number 2 (mini review)
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:43:42 GMT
Organization: Electrical & Electronic Eng., The University of Adelaide

I just got this new release.  It is not strictly Negativland, but
is a CD of a program by Crosley Bendix in which he discusses issues
relating to copyright, with particular relevance to the Negativland
court case.

With the CD comes a thick magazine full of transcripts and copies of
documents related to the lawsuit by Island against Negativland and SST.
It makes very good reading.  The magazine is also loaded with pictures
of U2 aircraft, and even has some photos of the Negativland members.

There is an advert in the magazine for a mail-order place which is
offering cassette copies of the banned U2 record for US$7.

The disc seems to be published by Universal Media Netweb, and has
a sticker saying that it is a limited print run of 4000.

 ..G..
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,rec.autos.vw,alt.rave
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: The Faharvernugen Song<->Kraftwerk's Autobahn? & Sprocke
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 03:10:05 GMT
Organization: Mr. Lazlo's Temple Of The Mighty Rude-Boy Skank
Followup-To: rec.music.industrial

EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:

> Which "bit"? I don't recall any similarity. But I probably know
> _Autobahn_ much better than the _Fahr-veg-nuuu-gen_ song. 

The "Fahrvergnuegen" progression is vaguely similar to the four-note main
theme of "Autobahn", but four vaguely similar notes doesn't a swipe make. 
(They may very well have had it in mind when they put together the
commercial though.) 

> But what about the Schprokets song? Who does that? You know, the one
> they play on Sprockets when it is time to dance? 

It's a looped-and-sped-up sample lifted from about 0:30 into "Electric
Cafe".  Listen to the track again (kind of a painful prospect if you ask
me -- I hate that album) and you can't miss it. 

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
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Subject: Re: LESBIGAY MUSICIAN NAMES NEEDED.
From: aakhan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:05:27 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <K4BRBSP4@cc.swarthmore.edu>, jacob@cs.swarthmore.edu (Jacob Mattison) writes:
> Ok, I'm going to just brainstorm a bit here.  Hope it helps.
> 
> Rock/Pop:
> XTC.  Howard Jones.  Erasure.  Jimmy Sommerville.

some notable exclusions here are
Culture Club
Bronski Beat & Communards(Jimmy Sommerville's earlier/ more popular groups)
Morrissey & The Smiths
Kitchens of Distinction

err.. as far as I can remember Howard Jones has a wife a at least a couple of
kids.  I have never heards anything about his bisexuality as such.  But if we
are talking about the bi's in music the following should be included

David Bowie
Freddy Mercury and Queen
Mick Jagger
Elton John

Maddona????!??
never miiiind

just trying to help
flesh chamber 9


Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: johnson@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Kai Johnson)
Subject: Identifying Samples (was Re: TKK Quote)
Keywords: Nervous Xians
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 08:06:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct02.222600.24025@mixcom.com> Nathan.Bowen <Nathan.Bowen@mixcom.mixcom.com> writes:
>
>I know exactly what you mean...  Like the "You scared?  Is that what you are?"
> "I'm not scared."  "Well, what are you?"  from Skinny Puppy.. I was quite
>surprised the first time I watched "Communion."  I'd be interested in hearing
>the sources of ANY samples that anyone can think of... And, for any artists
>out there, where do you look for samples?
>

Sources for samples: try self-help tapes, random radio/tv, watch lots of sci-fi.

One sample I was surprised to identify was "All good people are asleep and
dreaming" also from Skinny Puppy. I was watching The Outer Limits (I think
that's right, but who's ever sure of what they write at 3 am) when it just
popped out. It seemed so out of context in the plot that it was almost like
some 50's writer was hoping to get sampled when they invented samplers and
industrial. :>

Does anyone know of a collective list of samples, available and used?

-Kai Johnson
From: chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: More Orb Questions/Ambient List/"Orb Clones"
Date: 29 Sep 1992 12:12:06 GMT
Organization: INRIA Sophia Antipolis, France
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: minsk.docs.uu.se

In article <1992Sep28.103341.13181@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, ajbennett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Andrew Bennett) writes:
> > It's the October issue.  It has Shamen on the cover.  There are 6 promo
> > posters that should be attached to the magazine in some kind of plastic bag
> > (Orb, Shamen, Carter USM, Nirvana, Spiral Tribe + 1 more).
> 
> Of all the import copies I have seen in the US, not one contained the bag
> with the posters. My guess is that they didn't make it through Customs.

Too bad.  There are pictures of all the promo posters on the front cover so at least you'll see what they look like.  Inside, every art director tells the story
of how he came up with the idea for the poster.

- chris@minsk.docs.uu.se
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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: alh@einoed.in-berlin.de (Adrian Le Hanne)
Subject: Re: Throbbing Gristle at Oundle School
Organization: Einoed Unix & Netzwerke, Berlin (FRG)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 11:45:12 GMT

ash50842@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dres) writes:

>   I just rented out the video for the recording of Heather Earth and the
>Throbbing Gristle performance, live at Oundle School.  The Oundle thing
>has be puzzled.
[...]
>   And second, the kids LOVED TG!  Maybe they were just exciting about having
>a concert at their school (I have no idea how well known TG was at that time).
>Anyway, most kids I know are listening to the New Kids on the Block, and would
>probably positively HATE TG.  Hell, *I* would have hated TG when I was 12
>years old.  British kids' can't be THAT much different.
Please note that their excitement starts in the second half of the concert,
first they are standing around, a bit unsure what happens ;-) I noticed
that this is true for the other performances as well (the wonderful 'Mission
Of Dead Soulds' as an example). 

>   So, I figure "something must be going on here, that I don't know about" (
>Suicidal Tendencies quote) perhaps one of you will know what it is!
Genesis is going on, unfortunately his charisma got lost after two years
of Psychic TV, IMHO.

Adrian (discipline, we need more discipline...)
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From: cc79+@andrew.cmu.edu (Carey D. Clevenger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: broken
Date: 26 Sep 92 07:31:51 GMT
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

there's only one feasible dance hit/12" i can see coming off of _broken_
and that's pinion-wish... the rest of the songs are quite horrible,
especially last... happiness in slavery has a sort of head like a hole/
stigmata type sound but is neither catchy (like the former) or pulse-
pounding (like the latter) [in other words, it'll clear the floor]...
i'd like to hear some remixes of wish though...

Industrial music is not necessarily DANCE music......

I have always thought of Industrial more as an attitude, a state of
mind, then a style. Besides, when you have ONE category for groups like
NIN, Ministry, NE and RRR, they OBVIOUSLY cannot be grouped together in
terms of style.

I like the new album. When I bought PHM, I was in a mood to buy
something VERY hard and VERY industrial. I was, at first, disappointed.
I admit it. I expected all of the tracks to sound like "Head like a
Hole". I was pleasantly surprised.

BROKEN is more like I thought PHM would be. I like it. Agreed, it is
very hard to swallow if you expected something like PHM, but I like it
anyway. 

Someone mentioned earlier that it sounds like TWITCH....I STRONGLY
disagree. TWITCH is MUCH more like a dance album, whereas BROKEN is more
of a "typical" industrial album (if that can be safely said).

SO, it isn't necessarily that it is or isn't a good album...It depends
on what you think industrial is.


Carey
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: dexter@news.mr.med.ge.com.UUCP (Donald Dexter 4-6489 ~BHOSVWZ#090)
Subject: Re: Ambient FAQ?
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 18:30:22 GMT

From article <1992Sep26.161437.12315@newshost.unh.edu>, by dmn@kepler.unh.edu (Dana M Nibby):
> Where can I get a copy of the ambient FAQ?
> 

	that'd be a wonderful thing to have.  anyone care to create
	such a beast?

>  Also-- Is anyone planning on starting an ambient/noise newsgroup?

	yea, we could call it rec.music.industrial

	oh, what's that?  oh yea, i guess we already tried that one.
	never mind.  sorry.

>                               [...] I'd like to see a newsgroup
> for the more esoteric noise groups. 
> 

	does it really require another division to accomplish
	this?  guess i'd just been hoping that those more
	in-the-know than i, would someday come back to reclaim
	their group.

Ob.ind: just bought SPK's first two discs (and ordered the third)
yesterday.  also picked up Controlled Bleeding's _Songs_from_the_Ashes_.
reviews next week (maybe, given time).

Ob.r.m.i: what's KMFDM stand for? (if you're new here, that was a 
joke, son.  don't eagerly follow-up.  it's ok).

> 
>    Dana
>

-don. 
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: Missi Wilkenfeld <mwilkenf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Consolidated is Industrial???
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:21:51 GMT

In article <RieoRB1w165w@cyberden.uucp> you write:
>
>I just recieved the new Consolitdated release. Although I haven't heard 
>it yet (CD player is fritzed), it should be noted that the first track is 
>entitled "Industrial Music is Facism"
>
It is one of the crowd recordings where someone says
if you don't like fascism don't play industrial music because
thats what its all about.
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From: twiggs_te@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: RE:Re: KMFDM
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:15:54 EDT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

In article <1992Sep24.172049.152@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu>, aakhan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:
> In article <Bv3GFn.310@knot.ccs.queensu.ca>, conner@qucis.queensu.ca (Mike Conner) writes:
>> My most sincere apologies to MR SHARP for my KMFDM question.  Since I
>> have been on the net I have not seen/read anything answering my question.
>> Sorry for spoiling your day MR SHARP.  It's a simple question requiring a
>> five word answer.
> FC9.. since when does any one has to apologize to that jack-pump of a fist
> FC9.. Matthew Notso Sharpatall anyway?  His own due apologies should last him 
> FC9.. a life time of a million days on the north pole(did I go overboard here?
> FC9.. naaaaaah )
> FC9.. I guess you haven't been on the net long enough that's why the question
> FC9.. of apologizing came up.
> FC9.. any way 
> FC9.. KMFDM stands for "No Mercy For The Masses".  Ironically enough DM has an
> FC9.. album called "Music for the Masses" which came out 1987, same year as
> FC9.. "What do you know? Deutchland" KMFDM's first(?)(and most powerful IMHO)
> FC9.. The band's name might have something to do with mocking Depeche Mode's 
> FC9.. album.  Or that is what I used to think until I heard that KMFDM existed
> FC9.. through early 80's being mainly a performance art(yes I can picture En
> FC9.. Esch in a drag since he has been exclusively wearing a kilt) troupe
> FC9.. employing Neubautanish percussion and odd appliances like vacuum cleaners
> FC9.. and toaster oven as the sound track to their politically charged poetry
> FC9.. can anyone confirm this drivel please?
> 
> FC9.. and by the way all the Depeche Mode flamers, get off your numb prostrate
> FC9.. glands if you get a chance and pick up "some great
> FC9.. reward"(Masters&Servants), or 12" of "People are people" or the entire
> FC9.. "Construction Time Again" and you will find out that DM has more to do
> FC9.. with "Industrial" than FLA, Front242, NIN or any Ministry for that matter
> 
> an offering of love
> from flesh chamber9


	I agree.  However, KMFDM does _not_ stand for "No Mercy for the Masses".
It's a German anagram for the phrase "No pity for the majority".  Their band
name has nothing to do with mocking DM.
From: jensenjp@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Johnny Lydon)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Bigod 20 - Steelworks!!
Keywords: new lp/single
Date: 4 Oct 92 14:34:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: craft.jensenjp.718209255
Organization: Clarkson University

pdm@ucrmath.ucr.edu (paul moore) writes:


>  The Bigod 20 album Steelworks is released on the 7th of October
>with another single a few days before or after.  The album is less
>dance-oriented than the Bog (which it has) and doesn't include 
>Carpe Diem.  It does include "America" which sounds very out-of-place.
>The band's a three-some now, Tall2XLC, Jallokin, and the new vocalist,
>Zip.  They plan on getting a touring band together for some time 
>next year.

Does anyone have a discography/list of released material
from Bigod 20? singles,compliations,etc?
I am interested in knowing what they have released..
jon
jensenjp@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: saiki@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (L. Saiki)
Subject: Someone out their wanted JD 
Summary: Love Will Tear Us Apart lyrics. 
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:01:51 GMT

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
421 Host toadflax.ucdavis.edu not found for mailer ddn.
550 frank@toadflax.UCDavis.EDU... Host unknown


Love Will Tear Us Apart - JOY DIVISION  [7"/12"]

When the routine bites hard and ambitions are low
And the resentment rides high but emotions won't grow
And we're changing our ways, taking different roads
The love, love will tear us apart again (4)

Why is the bedroom so cold
Turned away on your side?
Is my timing that flawed, our respect run so dry?
Yet there's still this appeal
That we've kept through our lives
Love, love will tear us apart again (4)

Do you cry out in your sleep
All my failings expose?
Get a taste in my  mouth
As desparation takes hold
Is it something so good
Just can't function no more?
When love, love will tear us apart again (4)


...later.
-- 
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
     The end!					 L. Saiki	
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: New Mixer...
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:45:33 GMT

In article <1aqccaINN31c@agate.berkeley.edu>
bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)) writes:
 
>    At the past couple of raves I've been to here, the mixer that the DJ uses
>has been completely unfamiliar.  Gone are the sliders - instead, there are
>knobs.  Dozens of knobs.  No sliding X-fader.  Knobs.  No master level control.
>Knobs.  And also no name, none that I could see.  Anyone know about these?
>I've seen them at enough events now to think that perhaps the DJ's prefer
>them...
 
Sounds like the Mackie 1302. DJ's probably like the price more than any
other feature (around $300).
But I think the Mackie *does* have a master level.
 
You could always break down and *ask* one of these DJs what they're using
;-)
 
--Eric
 
thelookthefeelthesoundofmyvoicethelookthefeelthesoundofmyvoicethelookthe
feelthesoundofmyvoice   eiverso@cms.cc.wayne.edu  thelookthefeelthesound
ofmyvoice    Detroit, Michigan  USA   thelookthefellthesoundofmyvoicethe
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