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From: tlm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Terry Matula)
Subject: Re: Miss St 14, Auburn 7
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 22:14:08 GMT

swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:

>Mississipi St.  14
>Auburn           7

>It could have been worse.  MS missed 3 field goals, AU missed 1.  MS's only
>touchdown came on a 63 punt return by Tony James in the 4th quarter. 

>I watched most of the first half on TV and listened to the second half on
>the radio.  Auburn's offense looked/sounded erratic to me (sound familiar ?).  
>They would look good for a few plays and then stink for a few plays.  Not
>much continuity.  The MS offense wasn't that much better, but they were
>better.  MS 3rd string qb Todd Jordan did pretty good, 13 for 27, 144 yards
>(NO INTERCEPTIONS).  The Auburn defense only gave up 2 fgs and a 2 pt
>conversion, so it is hard to blame the loss on them.  Auburn's offense had
>several chances but just couldn't seem to pull it together.

I listened to the game on the radio here in Starkville.  (MSU biased, of
course).  It sounded to me like both defenses did a good job of disrupting
the opposing offense.  Auburn never got into scoring position without getting
intercepted or fumbling the ball.  Auburn's lone TD was a single big play.
I believe it was a long pass.  Auburn's defense also played well.  MSU never
really got close to the end zone, and was forced to attempt many long field
goals (30-50 yards).  MSU made 2 and missed 3.  MSU's lone TD was on Tony
James' punt return.  It was definitly a defensive game.  I guess MSU's
lackluster offensive performance could be attributed to having to use the
3rd string qb.  Jordan did okay, however, as you say.  I think that Sleepy
Robinson would have led MSU to a better performance, but that's a mute point
now.  

>While I'm at it, in the 2nd half, Auburn was called for defensive pass
>intereference.  The AU announcers (never known for their objectivity) swore
>it should have been offensive pass interference instead.  The play gave MS a
>big gain.  I didn't see the play, so I don't know.  How about it, those of
>you who saw the play, what do you think??  (be honest now...)

Again, I didn't see the play, but our MSU announcers also thought that it
was offensive pass interference and that MSU just got a lucky break.  But
I also believe that MSU got called for another offensive pass interference
call earlier in the game that was more marginal than the second call.  
I didn't see either play, so have really don't know.

>Oh well, next week, Auburn versus Florida in Gainesville.  I'll be there!!

Good luck against Florida.  I hope Auburn makes ole Shane Matthews look as
bad as he did here in Starkville. :)

--
Terry Matula
tlm1@ra.msstate.edu
matula@ee.msstate.edu
From: zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael E. Dupree)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: TEXAS 34 ou 24
Keywords: Blah!
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:41:02 GMT
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research
Originator: zmed0b@zircon


Thank you for that silly and thoroughly uninteresting commentary.  I care. NOT!!
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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Thrash-factors (was Re: AP Top 25)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:49:40 GMT

In article <39445@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>
>Margin of victory? ease of win? yards gained/allowed?
>pts scored/allowed? home/road?.. what? Everybody chooses his/her criterion
>conveniently. I choose mine. I use the trash-factor (tm) #)
>
>Washington piled up 600 odd yards and ~35 points *in* Nebraska. 
>That was quite a offensive-trashing (tm). 

yeah, but then Nebraska did pile up a lot of yards too.. and 21 points!

I am sure the BYU-SDSU game this year produced a lot of yards (if not,
I'm sure you can come up with another example), so do you call that an
offensive thrashing eventhough the margin of victory was only 7 pts?

>Miami, on the other hand, pitched a shutout, and scored only 22,
>at home, That was a defensive-thrashing (tm). 

A 20 point difference IS offensive thrashing... I'm sure the hurricanes
could have ran up the score, but probably complaints about them running
up the score in the previous years did have some effect on why they
didn't score more points.

But, Miami SHUT OUT the Nebraska offense which scored 21 points against
the much hyped UW defense with Etman & co. What does that say about
the quality of Miami's defense?

I agree these comparisons probably doesn't work for Miami in a
useful way, but then it surely doesn't work against them, either.
So anyone who say Miami didn't deserve to be #1 last year is out
of his mind.

>| Prashanth                    |                      |

Njan
From: pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Those who don't study history (Illinios/Ohio State)
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:52:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw2vB7.8DF
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:

>>    At the time, the one point didn't matter, but two would.

>But if that is the case, he should have gone for two from the three yard line.
>The inconsistant strategy is not a sign of strong leadership!

 Not really.  Because the ball was moved to the 1 1/2 line, there was a 
 greater chance of a two point conversion succeeding.  Because of this,
 Tepper then decided that it was worth it to try for two.  Yes, at the time
 one point didn't seem to matter while two would, but Tepper 1) knew that
 the situation might change and 2) that it was harder to convert two from
 3 out than 1 1/2 - these are the reasons why he would go for just one at
 first.  The strategy isn't necessarily inconsistent at all.  Granted we
 can't know what he was thinking, he may have been just weighing his options
 in each case and it made more sense to go for two after the penalty.
From: baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: The Bowl Coalition fails yet again
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:45:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct16.044506.15954
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <Bw71DB.K7o@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson) writes:
>behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian) writes:
>
>>  Washington cannot refuse the Rose Bowl, because the PAC-10 and BIG-10 have
>>a contract.  If anyone foregoes playing in the Rose Bowl, they will face
>
>
>Contracts usually run out.  How often is it renewed?  Surely it is not a 
>death do us part contract???
>

  I think that it is either 1995 or 1996!!  I don't know what the decision
is gonna be in terms of renewal of the contract.  

>Todd
>tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
>
>> 
>
>>-Behzad

-Behzad
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From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera)
Subject: One-sided Rivalries
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:23:21 GMT

Someone recently posted about one-sided rivalries (i.e. Virginia
Tech-UVA).  I think this happens when one team gets dominant for too
long, the typical underdog starts treating it as the "big game".

Not to sound blasphemous to my fellow Georgia Tech alums out there,
but I think Georgia Tech-Georgia hsa gotten this way.    Many UGA
types seem to treat Auburn or Florida as their biggest rivals- I think
this stems from Tech's generally mediocre performance during the 70's
and early 80's.  There are still many UGAers who take the game quite
seriously, but it still seems that the average GTer makes a bigger
deal out of it.   After all, "To Hell With Georgia ..." is part of
our school song ...

Any thoughts?  From the Yellowjackets or Bulldogs out there?

(Waiting for Mark "statman" Mitchell to repudiate my generalzation of
 Georgia Tech football prowess in the 70's ...)

go yellowjackets!
go braves!
go patriots (at least win one)!

-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

"... the first man to use abusive language instead of his fists was the
     founder of civilization."     -- Sigmund Freud
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From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: Pac Ten Woofing and Poofing (Re: AP Top 25)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:31:43 GMT

rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.175345.11767@u.washington.edu> crs@stein.waterhead.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>> 
>
>Regarding some left coast teams, Cliff writes:
>
>> Not to mention a crowd of woofers from each school who occaisionally like
>> to ignore the facts when it inconvieninces them--oh wait I'm sorry, that
>> applies to just about every d*mn school discussed on the net, doesn't it?
>> ('cept Rutgers, of course.  Dear ol' Bob would never fib...:-)  ).
>                                                             ^^^
>Absolutely.  But, what are these things? --------------------|||

Sorry!  My fingers got shaky there for a minute when I remembered reading
something about OSU (Buckeyes) going 10-2 this year.

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
****************************************************************************
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From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: Re: SEC Preview (Oct. 10)
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:39:26 GMT

kmartin@dogwood.cray.com (Kenneth B. Martin) writes:

>In article <dkm2.718563080@Isis.MsState.Edu> dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee) writes:
>>mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>>>very easy to pick.  With Greg Plump, Todd Jordan, or a redshirt freshman 
>>
>>Let's add to the drama!  he's a true freshman!  
>>
>>(Thanks for the optimistic outlook Mark!)
>>
>>David
>>


>David, 
>    
>What's the latest word out of Starkville on the quarterback situation?
>Any news on who Jackie will use?  By the way, I expect the game to be very
>hard-fought, and the team that wants it the most will win.

>--Ken

>AU '90


Well Ken, Greg Plump was reported to have only received a stinger on his
neck injury, and will be ready to play, BUT (a big one at that) Jackie
knows and told the Clairon Ledger no QB can step in and take Sleepy's
place, so he & Watson Brown will alternate Plump & Jordan in the game.

Now to confuse things, Brown says the offense will not change dramatically
(Plump is an option QB, Jordan is a passer) so if we stay a running team,
I suppose it will be Plump and Hudson (the freshman).

I saw the team practice a couple of days ago, Hudson looks really good -
running & passing.  I hope to see him again this weekend.

I think you are right on the game prediction.  AU wants it to regain SEC
respect and a national ranking ( which they should already have) and MSU
wants to let folks know they are for real, with or without Sleepy.

David 
>--
>===========================================================================
>Ken Martin, Sales Analyst                   Phone:  (404) 631-2244
>Cray Research South Government District     EMAIL:  kmartin@sedist.cray.com
>=========================================================================== 
-- 
               David K. Magee | "Mandrake! Get over here and feed me that  
         MIS Graduate Student |  belt boy.  The Redcoats are coming! "
 Mississippi State University |
     dkm2@isis.cc.msstate.edu |   -  General Jack Ripper, Dr. Strangelove 
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From: msb@tyler ( Mark Blumhardt)
Subject: Re: CU's Kordell Stewart out for four weeks (Detmer Start)
Keywords: Koy Detmer, Kordell Stewart
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:49:16 GMT

In article <Oct12.210942.7023@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> guest@ulysses.atmos.colostate.edu (Guest) writes:
>
>What does anyone think about Koy starting against Oklahoma. 

Koy is a great "take charge" guy.  Even though he is a true freshman,
he has the respect of the other players.  I think that he'll do fine, even
against a blitzing OU.  As Koy said, if they blitz, completions will lead
to points.  If they go zone, we'll pick them apart.

One more interesting thing...If Koy gets thumped and can't play, Kordell
can play!  He took snaps and threw Monday.

Mark

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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Pac Ten Woofing and Poofing (Re: AP Top 25)
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:51:26 GMT

Ronnie said:
>>AZ will likely get creamed in Seattle. 

tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) replied:
>Thank YOU for playing but that is the wrong answer!  The game is in Tuscon.

Okay, Glenn, chill out.  Ronnie made a reasonable mistake.  He heard that
Arizona is going to play THE BEAST OF THE PAC TEN ON THE ROAD and he asumed
it was Washington at Seattle.

Not so, Ronnie!  That description applies to Zona's game against
Stanford at Palo Alto.

Other surprising similarities between U-DUB and LSJU:

* White haired genius coach
* Punishing defense
* Small quick RB with lots of all-purpose yardage
* Win streak at the Rose Bowl
* Similar weather (see Doug's report)
* Washington's mascot is a dog, Stanford's mascot is a tree.

Just a coincidence?  I don't think so.


--Gidi
From: mjk@icf.hrb.com (Michael J. Kelley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: #1 Washington vs #2 Penn State
Date: 7 Oct 92 06:26:01 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

> overrated... How many top 25 teams does the SEC play out of conference?
> I count TexasA&M (LSU), Florida State (Florida), Georgia Tech (Georgia)
> and Clemson (South Carolina) and this with a conference with 12 members.
> How many div I-AA teams? I know, I know... The SEC is so tough that 
> their out-of-conference schedule is the only time to rest up. But how 
> do you know the SEC is tough? Well because of their out-of-conference 
> record! It's a circular argument! 
> 
> -bob
> a Michigan fan
> -- 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bob Milius                                        milius@lenti.med.umn.edu
-- 

All in know is Penn State slapped the crap out of Tennessee last year in their
bowl game match up. GO LIONS!!  BEAT the Canes!!!!!!!

                                                              Mike Kelley
                                                              HRB Systems
                                                              St. College, Pa.

###############################################################################
DoD # 645              Go Nittany Lions !!!          BEAT the CANES!!!!!!   
###############################################################################
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:05:24 EDT
From: <JXO8@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject:    GO LIONS!

GO LIONS!!!!       WHAMMY MIAMI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: '91 UM-PSU & '92 UW-USC
Date: 11 Oct 92 21:38:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 

CS>The only way a ball intercepted in the
CS>endzone could lead to a safety is if the defensive player
CS>tried to run it out,then changed his mind and went back into
CS> the end zone and downed the ball.

Which is exactly what happened in last season's Penn. State at Miami game,
except that officials did not notice.

Penn State trailed 26-20 with about 1:00 remaining. On a 4th and nine
from midfield Tony Sacca heaved the ball into the endzone.

(Which made no sense, he had the opportunity to run and maybe get a
first down instead of making a desperation toss.)

A Miami DB intercepted in the endzone.

(He should only have batted down the fourth down pass, but
no seems able to pass up a chance for an interception.)

The interceptor couldn't decide to bring the ball out or not, and finally
downed the ball, but not after apparently crossing the plane of the goal.
Had the officials made the call, it potentially would have been one of
the all time bonehead plays.
---
 . DeLuxe. 1.21 #11688 . al.sorhaindo@execnet.com
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Subject: Re: Penn State QB situation
From: mark rieker <MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 09:23:41 EDT
 <92281.194640MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu><1992Oct9.120636.9175@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Penn State University

        Ooops! My mistake. I meant to say that Craig Fayak is Penn State's
     back-up quarterback, not Chip LaBarca.
-------
========================================================================
  Mark Rieker        We are Penn State      Go Atlanta Braves!
                                         1991 National League Champions!!

  mjr127@psuvm.psu.edu ---- ricker@pacific.cmpe.psu.edu

 "Who cares about grades? Who cares about life? Who cares about me?....
  Not me that's for sure!!" --  The Young Ones
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: Miss St 14, Auburn 7
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:45:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.170116.15250@b11.b11.ingr.com>, mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
> In article <1992Oct14.073004.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>>
>>I hope Pat Dye taped the MS-FL game.  I wonder if he can afford ESPN?
> 
>     Shhhhh David!  Don't let anyone down there hear you say "taped".
> You'll be booted off-campus.  Can he afford ESPN?  Well, he *is* on
> the board of directors at Colonial Bank, isn't he?
> 
> --
> Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com

Hmm.  I wonder if he can help me get a loan......

-- 
David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@accs.duc.auburn.edu
From: lbaum@atc.boeing.com (Larry Baum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Schmidt Computer Rankings through 11-Oct-92
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:13:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boeing Computer Services

In article <1bfk31INN8rh@gap.caltech.edu> schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd
Schmidt) writes:

>I welcome comments and suggestions.
>
>Kevin
>
>Rank Team                      Points  Record Strength  Last Week    Change
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>1    Washington                97.572   5-0-0  83.608  (  1,  97.695)  +0
>5    Stanford                  89.520   5-1-0  77.495  (  5,  89.069)  +0
>6    USC                       88.381   2-1-1  81.514  (  8,  87.236)  +2
>14   Arizona                   81.959   2-2-1  75.114  ( 18,  80.546)  +4
>17   Washington_State          81.353   5-0-0  69.350  ( 23,  78.936)  +6
>22   California                80.932   3-2-0  78.537  ( 17,  81.006)  -5
>27   UCLA                      78.100   3-2-0  74.719  ( 22,  78.991)  -5
>33   Arizona_State             76.162   2-3-0  78.185  ( 31,  76.423)  -2
>34   Oregon                    75.472   3-3-0  75.953  ( 28,  77.310)  -6

Again you have 9 PAC 10 schools in the top 34.  Is this reasonable?
Organization: Masters student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:35:18 -0400 
From: Thomas Swann <ts3m+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Virginia:  same old 'hoos

Saturday's disaster was incomprehensible to me until I found this bulletin
board today.  I now understand that it was all JonaX's fault.  Fortunately,
I am studying so much that I didn't have time to even listen to the game on
the radio (although not so much that I can't read b-boards, apparently).

Now that we're not undefeated either, we can meet FSU on even terms.

P.S. - Terry Kirby for Heisman

Thomas H. Swann
University of Virginia (commie 1988)
now appearing at GSIA (Carnegie Mellon University - 1994)
From: maryb@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Jayhawk Posting #22
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:14:49 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

This article is a cover story from the Monday, October 12, 1992 issue of the
University Daily Kansan.

59,000 SEE JAYHAWKS VICTORIOUS
by David Bartkoski, Kansan sportswriter

   A sellout crowd of 52,000 fans watched Kansas roll over Kansas State
Saturday in a 31-7 victory that helped the Jayhawks climb back into the CNN-
USA Today and Associated Press polls at No. 25. The Jayhawks, 4-1, were ranked
No. 24 in the polls after defeating Tulsa 40-7 in their third game of the
season but fell out of the rankings five days later when California defeated
the team 27-23.
   The 52,000 in Memorial Stadium, thought to be the largest home crowd ever,
watched Kansas reclaim the Governor's Cup from K-State. On Campanile Hill,
7,000 more fans watched the game. The Governor's Cup is awarded to the winner
of the game each year.
   Kansas' defense held the Wildcats, 3-1, to minus 56 yards rushing and to
69 yards of total offense.
   Sophomore defensive end Sylvester Wright, who had 1 1/2 sacks and a fumble
recovery, said the defense could sense it had K-State's number Saturday.
"After a while, we started playing a little game," he said. "It was like who's
gonna get this sack, and who's gonna get that sack." The Kansas defense
recorded nine sacks in all and had 20 tackles for losses. It held K-State to
an average of 1.3 yards a play.
   Kansas is now first in rushing and passing defense in the Big Eight
Conference. The Jayhawks led the conference in total defense, allowing 209.2
yards a game.
   Kansas' offense put up strong numbers as well. Senior running backs Maurice
Douglas and Monte Cozzens each scored two touchdowns and had career-best
rushing performances. Douglas gained 127 yards on the ground, and Cozzens ran
for 83 yards. Their rushing complemented the passing of senior quarterback
Chip Hilleary, who threw for 162 yards.
   Lew Hall III, a representative from the Federal Express Orange Bowl who was
at the game, said he thought Hilleary and the Jayhawks had moved into the
upper echelon of the Big Eight Conference. "I'm impressed. I'm really
impressed," Hall said. "Hilleary was much more impressive this year than last
year. It's not just the Big Three anymore." Colorado, Nebraska and Oklahoma
have dominated the conference in the last few years.
   Kansas coach Glen Mason said he thought the Jayhawks responded well. "Going
into a game like this at a fever pitch and coming out like we did, we played
well today," he said.
   Mason was doused with water by his players near the end of the game and
accepted the Governor's Cup from Gov. Joan Finney in the locker room after the
game. Unsure of how to act, Mason kissed Finney. "I looked over my shoulder,
and the governor was standing there, and I had trouble articulating like I
would have normally done in front of a group of 130 red-blooded American
boys," he said.

Posted to r.s.f.c. by "Kansas Mary"
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