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Here I am with my same old problem again - a panicky dog, thunderstorms and
fence eating.

Background:
Tucker is an 8 yr old, Aussie - very intelligent. He has been scared to death
of thunderstorms since he was a pup, having to spend the first six months of
life in the kitchen while I was at work and T-storms cracking like crazy all
summer. There wasn't anything I could do about this since I was gone but my
neighbors did the best they could to help him through it. Annnnyway, with age
and eight 4ths of July, this has not gotten any better. 
Now to add to it, I am working 12 hour shifts but thankfully, not five days
a week. On the days I am home, he's fine. Days I'm at work, he goes nutso no
matter if the weather is bad or not. The old boy is trying to find me! He's dug
through the fence twice and through the drywall between the garage and the
house once. Yes, I was thrilled as you can imagine. 

What to do? I have repaired the wall. I just finished with the fence by replac-
ing the damaged pickets and filling in the holes with cement, covered by a
couple inches of dirt. If I can't stop him from trying, I can at least wear
down his claws a bit. But the real problem isn't fixed - the dog either has to
realize that he must spend more time without me and yes, he does have another
dog for company so he's not lonely or bored. As for the T-storms, this really
causes a panic reaction. He pants, salivates until he's coated himself and
anything within a 10 foot perimeter, and stays right by me (meaning underneath
my feet). I don't believe there is anything I'm doing to add to his behavior
but it's hard to tell.

Anybody got any ideas? It's April and all hell can break loose around here.
I'd appreciate e-mail unless you think this is something that more people could
use on the net. 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: emm@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ellen.m.mcsorley)
Subject: re: heeling
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:49:50 GMT

OH, and another thing I constantly hear in my
obedience class "GET MOVING!!  You're going TOO
slow and the dog is bored!"

It's SO easy to slow down to the dogs pace - and
then he slows down some more, and some more....

If I get either of my dogs REALLY moving, the
head is up, the tail is up and they don't try to
sniff the ground!  I also talk REALLY UP!  "GOOD
DOG, HURRAY!  KEEP GOING!"  

You feel like a jerk in front of your neighbors, but.....

AND another thing - practice your foot work.  Make
sure you are REAL clear with your about-turns, left-turns
and right turns.  I made the mistake of pretty much
pivoting on my foot when I did an about turn and my
giant dog didn't have time to turn around and get next
to me - PLUS she never had ANY idea when I was going to
do it.  I had a private instructor for one 2-hour session
that made a WORLD of difference!

Along with foot work is timing - count out loud "1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2"
and keep each pace the same length.  When going slow it's "1 and 2 and 1 and 2"
same lengh paces but at 1/2 time.  Fast is "1 2 1 2 1 2" again but
twice as fast.

It REALLY makes a WORLD of difference to your dog!!

(off the soap box....)


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: VAAIRP@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject: Wire Fox Terrier grooming "?"
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:17:58 GMT
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I have a 10 week old Wire Fox Terrier puppy and am concerned when he
should get his first haircut.  I don't plan to show him, but would
be interested in spending the time and money necessary to properly
groom him.  The reason why I choose this breed was for its groomed
appearance, so I really want to do embark on this lifelong grooming
endeavor.

If anyone can give me some guidelines or just general hints on the care
of a Wire Fox's coat, I will be eternally thankful.

Rick Marquardt
From: clip@rcorsa.UUCP (The mailman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Separation anxiety
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:05:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: rcorsa.46
Organization: Les Consultants RCO

In article <1992Apr7.190704.3140@col.hp.com> lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson) writes:
>I *thought* he could reach!) will be shredded if he's left alone with it.
>(He doesn't pay any attention to paper on the floor when anyone is home
>with him.)  He cries and howls if he's in the bathroom and he can hear that
>people are elsewhere in the house.  This only goes on for 10 or 15 minutes.
>

i am not an expert, but dogs not only get bored or lonely, but they also
get _MAD_. i have heard enough stories of dogs who were happy and behaved
appropriately when left alone all day, until "one day" they suddenly
became quite destructive.

i have an apso who often growls at his toys, and tear them apart. we have
been told, [and it does seem to be the case] that he vents his anger and 
frustrations at these toys instead of taking it out on us [thank god!].

i don't know what the solution is, or if there is one, but it would seem to
me that your dog may just have had enough of being left alone for long
periods of time. dogs, like people have emotions, and maybe they build
up to a point where they just "go nuts".

maybe the solution is a brisk run in the morning so that he feels like 
resting during the day. but i imagine that it must be rough to be full of
energy in the morning just to be left alone all day in a small enclosure.

i don't know if there is any solution for this situation once a dog gets
fed up [in my opinion], but working 8 hour days definitely seems
to be one of the constraints of modern life that many of us cannot avoid.

does anyone have experience with  changing a dog's behaviour once it
gets into such a destructive rut?

please post or e-mail to:

clip%rcorsa@sobeco.com

francois vrana
From: young@ALW.NIH.GOV
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog kills another-is Sheba safe?
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:57:04 GMT

In article <28741@brahms.udel.edu> you write:
|> 
|> A very good friend of mine has a Sharpei.  Tia is about 8 months old.
|> Ever since she has gotten Tia, Tia has come over to visit and played
|> with my 3 year old female husky, Sheba.
|> 
|> Yesterday, Tia got out of the house (I don't know how).  My friend
|> searched for her for hours.  Later that evening, she received a call
|> saying Tia was in an industrial park about 5 miles away.  Tia was lying
|> by the body of a male golden retriever.  She had obviously just killed
|> the dog.  She was covered with his blood.
|> 
|> Here is my question: Is it still safe to allow Sheba to play with her?
|> 
|> Tia was in heat so my friend thinks she was defending herself.
|> 
|> Tia did would not leave the body until her oner came.  My friends seems
|> to think it was an accident.  I am still concerned.
|> 
|> Thanks, Thuy-An

I can't imagine.
Isn't this strange behavior for a shar-pei, for an eight-month old anything?
Is this likely behavior for a female in heat?  If you could prove that
tia killed the male golden, I would have her put down (my own opinion).
If I were the owner of the male golden, I would have her put down.
How much damage did the golden do to tia?

No I would not let my dog anywhere near tia.

Given the resemblance of shar-pei and staffordshire terrier  have the
"pit bull hysteria" rumors started to fly yet?
-- 
___________	
	jy
	young@heart.dcrt.nih.gov
From: lb2r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lorraine Blasik)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: White Lab ?
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:18:53 GMT
Organization: Comp & Comm - Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I was watching TV last night a commercial for "Wisk" laundry detergent
was on and I swear what I saw was a white labrador.  Is there such an
animal?  and if not what was this?  i have seen the yellow labs but this
one was white ( well eggshell).  I have a chocolate now and we are
planning to get him a pal when we move into the new house to help with
the transition.

Thanks,

Lori
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Animal Grammar
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:50:16 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



>can appeal to their own intuitions. So far, my intuition's telling me
>that the observed differences in human language and animal
>communication are so vast that they occupy different levels of
>comprehension. Of course, if you'd like to show me an animal that
>can discuss an abstract concept, I'm more than willing to be
>convinced :-).

Abstract Concepts.

My Doberman brings over a toy, say a frisbee, to my chair while
I absently work, pounds me in the knee with it and looks expectantly.

My feeling is, this is a word to her.  Something grasped, something
grasped by it.

Say I tell her that I'm busy, she'll lie down and put down the frisbee,
get up after a few minutes and carry the thing into the next room.

She comes back with a tennis ball, and the procedure slowly repeats
with successive toys until I take a break and we go out.

So toy in that context has to do with ``going out together.''
(She often doesn't want to play with the toy out there, and she
does insist that I go out with her.)

Other times, at night when I read, she comes over with a tennis ball and
just mouths it standing near my knee, obviously talking about how round
the tennis ball is and how wet its pelt gets, if it still has one.

We can talk about that. I say ``You've got your tennis ball, you've
got your tennis ball,'' and take it from her gently and give it back
repeatedly.  She mouths it more intensely then, responding to my
appreciation.

This is clearly a conversation to her, and I keep thinking of the
meanings of grasping and its kin.

When we're outside, and not doing formal exercises, she'll make
sentences, carrying as many toys at once as she can and trotting
around delightedly.  I name each toy she has, and she prances
even more.

If I've been typing for a long time, sometimes I'll find her lying
in the next room sleeping with her head surrounded by frisbee, tennis
balls, tug toys, footballs, and so forth, that seem to me like ideas
near her head.  She's gathered them there waiting for me
to finish.

Are toys ideas?  Have I erroneously taken objects near her head
to be like the ideas of them that I carry in my head?  That would
be a metaphor, taking one thing for another.  Perhaps precisely
what my Doberman has done.

Taking one thing for another.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: tmericle@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Toni D Mericle)
Subject: mastiff puppies
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:47:58 GMT

Does anyone know of any reputable breeders of mastiff puppies in the state of
ohio?  My husband and I would like a mastiff puppy.  We do not care if it is
brindle, fawn, or apricot in color.  We are not interested in showing the
puppy but want a family dog.  We would even be interested in an older dog as
long as the dog was excellent with children.  Please e-mail me a response tO
this address, tmericle @ magnus. acs.ohio-state.edu thank you very much toni    
xw
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: VAAIRP@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: A tragic accident
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:55:52 GMT
X-Bytes: 

In article <ku0ledINNrt5@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>
primeaux@duncan.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux) writes:

> [Relevant info deleted]
>
>	1.  most of the dogs that bite humans are chows or chow mixes
>	    (and *not*, as one might be led to believe, pit bulls or
>	    dobermans)

This is news to me.  Whether true or not, I still have a hard time
accepting it.  I have only known one pure bred Chow, Grunt, and he
is the friendlist dog I've ever known.  What I mean by friendliness is:
he is overly happy to see you, but well mannered (doesn't jump up);
I've never heard him bark (quiet is good in my book); he makes a humerous
grunting sound, usually to men only, that sounds like he's trying to
talk.


>	2.  most fatal attacks by dogs on humans occur when the dog is
>	    (or has been) chained

My opinion: People who chain their dogs should be prosecuted under
cruelty to animals laws.  Of course, while vivisection is legal,
it doesn't make sense to say dogs must be treated properly.

Rick Marquardt
From: scooper@cannes.llnl.gov (Steve Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Housebreaking Idea bad?
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:45:34 GMT
Reply-To: spcooper@llnl.gov
Organization: llnl

--
In article <1992Apr16.160242.11796@newshost.lanl.gov>, srlee@beta.lanl.gov
(Stephen R Lee) writes:>The suggestion for housetraining is as follows:
>
>    "     1. If he has had an 'accident' inside the house, clean it 
>             up thoroughly.
>          2. Then take him, never call hime, to the area.
>          3. Generously spray a cotton ball with Bitter Apple or
>             rubbing alcohol, and, while holding hime by the neck
>             scruff, place it directly in his mouth.  Praise him
>             when he spits it out.  Repeat if he does not strongly 
>             object to the taste.  Immediately give him a soda
>             cracker to help clear away the unpleasant taste.
>          4. Spray the floow with the product and gently place his
>             nose down in order for him to get the sent."
>
>

We just saw this technique used in a video called something like "Puppy's First
Year".  However,
I think it was only to be used if the dog was repeatedly using the same spot
inside the house.
So far, we've managed to watch our new Briard puppy close enough to catch her in
the act,
startle her, and take her outside to finish.  When we caught her after, well,
that was our fault
and it was too late to do anything but clean up.  I think she's now getting the
hang of it, but
we're having trouble telling if she wants to go out to go or to investigate or
try to eat something
she shouldn't.

- Steve

--------------------------------------
Stephen P. Cooper spcooper@llnl.gov
who works at but does not represent
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
From: janew@woobaby.EBay.Sun.COM (Jane Woo)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: seen the Carl books yet?
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:30:23 GMT
Reply-To: janew@woobaby.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: woobaby.ebay.sun.com

In article 2948@vax.muskingum.edu, geschwent@vax.muskingum.edu () writes:
> The other reviews reminded me--has everyone checked out the "Carl" books?
> 
> They're children's books, and each just has one or two sentences--one in the
> beginning, and one in the end. I don't want to write more because it could
> spoil them for you. They're absolutely charming, and worth
> going to a bookstore just to check them out! . . . And I don't even have a
> Rottie!

YEP!!!  I have a copy of each of the books....  I think (hope) there are
4 books: 
		- Good Dog Carl
		- Carl Goes Shopping
		- Carl's First Christmas
		- Carl Goes to the Park

There soooo cute!!  I even went to a bookstore to BEG for one of the book's
display so I could hang it on my office wall!

You should really check out the pictures.... they're so true to the rotties
demenor.

I say 2 thumbs up!!!
-jane
From: 9055marcusse@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: let dogs be dogs
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:06:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.00958BEB.BCFA8D80
Reply-To: 9055marcusse@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services

I just have to say how much I agree with Karina. I couldn't have said any better. My dogs live outside all year, they each have dog houses and hay to stay warm. I love my dogs and they love me. But I treat them like dogs. They don't jump 
on me or anybody else, they don't touch their food or anybody else's no matter how accessable it is unless I say. They know I run them every day and feed and water them. I am sure my dogs care about me because when they are not in the kennel all they want to do is play with me, and I never yell or hit them they just know when I am displeased with their actions. We also never old grudges after the little talking to that I give them if they mess up, we are friends again. I w 
told that if you give your dog the same privledges as you they tend to confuse as to what they are supposed to act like and what their pack order is and that 
is very important to dogs (pack order). Please no flames again this is my opinion and doesn't need to be anybody elses.
From: walls@inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: All Dog's Go To Heaven
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:53:26 CST
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN


Hi, I'm back again, this one was also written to Ann Landers.
Dear Ann Landers;
                A long time ago, you ran a letter from a little boy whose
dog had died. He wanted to know if dogs went to heaven. It would be a big
help, he said, if he were sure that when HE died, his dog would be waiting
for him.  As I recall, you consulted several clergymen. Most said animals
do not have souls, and therefore they would not go to heaven.  One kind
Congregational minister replied that he wasn't sure, but he didn't see 
anything wrong with telling the youngster that he would probably see his
dog in heaven because everythin up there was "perfect". Several days ago
I read a column on that very subject by Rev. Dale Turner, who writes for a
Seattle newspaper. I am sending a consensed version in the hope that you
will print it.

Looking back across the years I see how important dogs have been in my life.
I had been an ordained minister only a few weeks when I received a call from
an 8-year old boy. His dog had been killed by a car. "Mr. Turner, the boy
sobbed, do you do funerals for dogs?.  I didn't know quite how to respond,
but I recalled the scriptures affirmation of God's knowing when even a 
sparrow falls.  I replied, "Why not?,and I conducted a little ceremony for
the boy's pet.  He was very please and then asked, "Is my dog going to 
heaven?"  I wasn't prepared for that question, but my love for animals
got me through it. I'm sure I made the child feel better.

Several years laterI had my own personal experience that provided the 
answer I had never been sure of.  Our wonderful dachshund, Gretta, died
and we were eager to bring another dog into our home.  We went to the 
pound to get the dachshund whose photo had appeared in the paper.  By the
time we arrived, it had been claimed.  Another puppy, sensing our mission
pokes her nose through the wire fence.  The look in her eyes seemed to say,
"Please pick me". we did. And we named her, Pick.  Whenever I came home,
Pick was there to greet me.  I'd say, "Pick, you've got it made. Other
animals work for their keep. A canary sings, cows give milk, chickens lay
eggs, but you don't have to do anything but hang around".

After 14 years, Pick became very sick and there was nothing to be done
except put her out of her misery.  With a heavy heart I drove her to the
vet's, who did what had to be done.  I then went back to my study and wept
for hours.  A few days later, a parishioner who knew of my grief sent me this
poem. It healed my sorrow. Perhaps it will help others. I'd like to share it.

I explained to Saint Peter,
I'd rather stat here,
Outside the pearly gate.
I won't be a nuisance,
I won't even bark,
I'll be very patient and wait.
I'll be here, chewing on a celestial bone,
No matter how long you may be.
I'd miss you so much, if I went in alone,
It wouldn't be heaven for me.


This article is not INTENDED to cause a flame war, it's written to ease
your sorrow if you ever had to make that horrible, but humane decision.
From: yourID@llnl.gov (Who Am I Really)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: St. Bernards as Guard Dogs ???
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:42:13 GMT
Organization: LLNL

I have disussed with two guard dog professionals, one from Phoenix and one 
from Seattle, as to which breeds are best suited for and are used for 
protection duty.  They both gave the same answer.  The number one breed of 
choice by guard dog professionals was a german shepherd.  Second being a 
Saint Bernard and third being a Doberman Pinscher.  The gsd had the best 
overall trainability, agressiveness, and would protect both human and 
property with its life.  The Doberman would not reliable confront an 
attacker with a gun.  

So if professionals use Saint Bernards I guess this would tend to say that 
YES they can be good protective dogs also.
From: Auferret@CVMMDL1.MSstate.EDU (Jennifer Au)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Question?
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:21:39 GMT
Organization: Miss. State U. College of Vet. Med.

In article <wdsD=Ei00Vp88Y1kgG@andrew.cmu.edu>, jsap+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jennifer E. Swofford) writes:
> 
> Excerpts from netnews.rec.pets: 6-Apr-92 Question? Mark A
> Gsellman@magnus.a (456)
> 
> > I was just wondering and please do not get offended, is there usually any
> > other subject of discussion besides ferrets? I ask this because I own a dog
> > and all I read about is ferrets and I'd like to know if there is a news group
> > for dogs and dog owners.  Please don't get mad at me for this because I'm
> > just curious, not to start an arguement.
> 
> > Anything would be of help.
> 
> Yes, there is a newsgroup called netnews.rec.pets.dogs designed
> especially for you!  :)  There's also rec.pets.cats, rec.pets.aquaria,
> rec.pets.birds, and the best one of all, rec.pets.herp!!!  
> 
> 
> > By the way, How do ferrets make as pets and how much do they run ($)?
>
Ferrets make wonderful pets. They aren't as dependant as a dog but not as
aloof as a cat. They're great for people in apartments since they're so 
small. In pet stores they run between $100-$150 for a young (6-8 weeks) 
ferret that has already been neutered and descented. A ferret from a breeder
can vary in cost and aren't fixed already. Depending on your area, you can get
a rescue ferret for around $30-$50 dollars. Most of these are fixed too. They
 are given up for various reasons like moving, mom found it, etc.
 
> This I do not know the answer to.  I'd like to know, as well.  And, how
> well will ferrets get along with my reptiles?  I'm sure one would look
> tasty to my Tegu....
>
I had an Armadillo lizard but I never put it near my ferrets. I tried a turtle
once. It pulled up in it's shell and the ferrets latched on to the shell and 
dragged it around for fun. Over all I don't think ferrets and reptiles mix
too well. I think the ferret may snack on your Tegu.
Jenny Au
> Seeya,
> 
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