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From: cyn@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (Cyndi Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: TdF Stage 15
Date: 21 Jul 1992 13:45:49 GMT
Organization: M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

Could someone repost (or post) results from the Stage 15?  My newsreader seems
to be gobbling up postings - I haven't seen any results from yesterday and I am
sure SOMEONE posted SOMETHING!
Thanks!
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mcclella@yertle.Colorado.EDU (Gary McClelland)
Subject: Re: ESPN & TdF
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:14:58 GMT

loucks@isrc.sandia.gov (Cliff Loucks) writes:

>From article <1992Jul17.170328.21804@synapse.bms.com>, by idelson@bms.com (Ira Idelson):
>> 
>> Who is Barry Tomkins anyway!!????

>He's some clown who just keeps getting worse and worse.  He was bad
>enough at the beginning of the Tour; seems every network's coverage
>has felt the need to include some bozo like him.  But now as the
>Tour progresses, and he thinks he now knows something of the sport,
>he's realy getting disgusting.

We must remember that the biggest spectator sport in the U.S. (in terms
of paid attendance) is stock car racing and the biggest TV sport (in
terms of total person-hours over the entire year) is bowling.  We must
therefore hope that Barry appeals to those folks so that the ratings
will be high enough so that we can have at least this much TdF covverage
next year.  I thought all the focus on Pensec's crash was designed to
appeal to the stock car folks.  In the meantime, we probably all ought
to call that 900 number and get our "flaming turtle" travel package just
so that they will know that someone was watching.  Just mute or fast forward
past Barry...

gary mcclelland
mcclella@yertle.colorado.edu
From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: LeMond is officially gone.
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:50:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: slc.1992Jul21.205049.23478
Distribution: na
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US

William Camden Daniel (wcd2z@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU) writes:

> It leaves me wondering where the climber is that we have seen
> in the past.  He used to dominate some climbs and even managed
> to win races with his climbing ability.  However, that time has
> obviously passed and the big climbers now are Chiapucci, Bugno,
> and Indurain.  Yet these big climbers are also dominating in
> the time trials.  I have to wonder what has happened to LeMond
> Le Magnifique.

Probably he is suffering from poor or mis-timed training. It's possible he 
hasn't adjusted his training regimen properly for his increasing age. In 
1989 he was able to "ride himself into condition" during the Tour, which, 
by the way, started out much more slowly than this year's. This year there 
was no room for recuperation, for anybody, so peak condition was required 
right from the start.

Clearly he blew his arrival in San Sebastian, and hurt himself thereby, but 
it's hard to believe that he was really ready for extreme climbing anyway.

If I were Greg, I'd be reading my training diary pretty carefully right 
now, and working my butt off for the World's.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
From: varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ULTRA marathon cycling
Date: 24 Jul 1992 16:06:49 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <Brwu8y.3Du@acsu.buffalo.edu> camlau@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (B.J.) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.180812.197421@cs.cmu.edu>, dreece+@cs.cmu.edu (Douglas Reece) writes...
 
>>An article in the Arizona Republic recently tells of Michael Secrest's hope to
>>ride from Los Angeles to Jacksonville, FL in 48 hours.  Apparently he
>>rode 1216 miles in 24 hours in April 1990.  This was at Phoenix International 
>   ???^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^???

>Wait a sec!  According to my trusty calculator, the guy averaged 50.7 mph
>non-stop for 24 hours!!!  Must have been Superman's brother.  I have a hard
>time *driving* that far in 24 hours.  Something is not right here.
>**bj**

Read carefully the part you deleted.

He was drafting a carefully-constructed truck.  At best his
pedalling was overcoming rolling resistance.  It was also on
a track, so he didn't have to worry about potholes.

This sort of thing makes a great stunt.  Staying upright on a
bicycle for 48 hours is far from trivial.  Avoiding potholes
has to be a major concern.  Getting up to speed in the first
place is difficult.  Coordinating the speed of the truck with
the speed of the rider can be tricky.  Emergency stops would
be problematical.  That is, I'm not suggesting the whole thing
would be easy.

I *am* suggesting that this sort of thing is not comparable
to a bicycle race or speed record attempt.

-- Don Varvel (varvel@cs.utexas.edu)
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Commuting Info Wanted
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:12:01 GMT
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

Of bike commuting in the Bay Area:

>o The drivers here seem to be more courteous than anywhere else
>   I've commuted by bike, but that's still not quite courteous enough. 
> 
>o I've worked in a number of places where bicycle commuting
>   was popular.  One thing I've noticed and which you might
>   expect is unequal representation by gender.  Many women I
>   know feel too vulnerable riding a bicycle in the city 

My wife, a lifelong dweller in the asphalt jungle, isn't afraid
of crime or harassment while bicycling, but the Brownian motion of 
city traffic scares the willie out of her.  

Can't say that I blame her.  Not long ago, half a block from home, 
I came within a few feet and a few weeks in the hospital of owning 
a taxicab company.  But I saw it coming and let the hack off with a 
piece of my mind.  (Hope it cost the bugger his tip and taught him 
to look before turning!).  I'm slowly teaching her the art of sensibly
yet confidently asserting her place in traffic, but she still prefers
bike paths and quiet back streets (yeah, right, like the one where I
had the above adventure).  There are probably a gadzillion people who
have the same attitude and will never be bike commuters unless drivers
get their attitudes adjusted.

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
From: fkao@buengf.bu.edu (Frank Kao)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Training Suggestions
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:22:19 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: fkao@buengf.bu.edu

Hello fellow netters, I have a question to all of you regarding training
methods.

I am training for a century ride in Mid Sept, I have done this ride for the
last 3 years, every year my speed is improving.  Last year I finished the
whole century in 5:37 riding time.  There are a few people at work that also
do the ride, so this ride is getting more competitive every year.  My question
is that how can I improve speed.  Even though my speed have kept on improving
so did my friends, I found it hard to pass them.  I need a statedgy on training
on improving speed and endurance.  We ride around the Blue Hills (ski resort)
for training, which is a great place to train, but they do the samething as well.  I heard of endurance training, interval training.  Also, rest a day after
each ride, Not much time is left between now and Sept 13, any suggestions on
training methods
thanks

fkao
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Frame fit
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 22:53:25 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa

Joe, using LeMond's method will give you a bike _much_
smaller than you can probably ride comfortably. One clue
is if you need a mountain bike seat post in order to raise
the seat far enough. Or as one ex-7-11 mechanic told me,
you need to have about 9-11 cm between the top tub and the
seat nose.

Actually, seat tube length is only one of the critical measurements.
The top tube length is also pretty critical and if you're built
like me with short legs and a long torso (just the reverse of
LeMond) it achieves relatively greater importance.

So I think that if you use Eddy B's method for sizing you may
find that you need bike somewhere in between the two sizes you
bought. If you have your copy of Eugene Sloane's "The All New
Complete Book of Bicycling" it'll cover it.

Too bad that fit isn't a science. Fortunately the human body
can accomodate almost any sort of misfit without too much
problems.
From: bs.rekso@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (ojdorposkeR S B)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cannondale Prices ?
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:11:26 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA


	Try International Bicycle Center (617) 783-5804
	I just bought an M800 for $700, this is the best price
	that I can get in the Boston area

---
#include "std_disclaimer.h" ---> see warranty for details

Budi S. Reksoprodjo
bs.rekso@ds5000.dac.northeastern.edu

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: robishaw@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw x5960)
Subject: Re: LEMOND - No More!
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:51:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.161444.5107@speedy.aero.org> ardalan@astrosun.aero.org (Shadan M. Ardalan) writes:
>
>And as far as why you don't 'here' people like Roche or Chiapucci complaining,
>well it could be because our media hardly ever interviews them....I'm
>
>Shadan
>
It could also have something to do about their standings in the GC.

Gary

-- 
Gary Robishaw          "He has a constitutional right to be not guilty."
robishaw@uranus.lrmsc.loral.com       Steven Barrucci after John Gotti's
408/432-5960                          sentencing.
Usnail -- 3151 Zanker Rd. San Jose, Ca. 95134-1928
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: TDF climbs...
Date: 27 Jul 1992 17:40:28 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver

In article <150tkjINNhok@agate.berkeley.edu> ogus@gaulois.berkeley.edu (Arthur E. Ogus) writes:
>On one of these climbs (was it Galibier?) half the pack had to get off
>and walk.  Must have been pretty steep.  

This was on one of the short climbs(20%) the day after the stage to
L'Alpe D'Huez as the race headed to St. Etienne.  

The Galibier is not steep enough(on either side) to require walking.

Bruce


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll)
Subject: Re: Question: wheel rebuilding
Keywords: n
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:54:14 GMT

Aero rims apparently place stresses on the spoke nipple that make the
nipple more likely to break and allow the spoke to pull out of the rim.
I speak from personal experience with several Campy aero rims and from
anecdotal evidence from other aero rim users.

This does not happen often enough to be a serious problem, but it is 
something to consider - especially if you use alloy nipples.

Jobst Brandt writes:
>Thomas Kunich writes:
>> I find Matrix rims to be very stiff, light and a little brittle
>> so be careful not to overtighten because you'll pull out the nipples.
>> (Whoops, yes indeed I did.)
>
>Maybe you should stay away from these rims if they are that fragile.  I
>have built plenty of wheels and have never had a spoke break out while
>building a wheel.  Any rim worth riding will invariably collapse into
>a pretzel before spoke even think of pulling through. 

It may be that Thomas Kunich is using Matrix aero rims and is reffering
to a failure of the nipple rather than the rim.  I've never seen a
Campy or Matrix aero _rim_ fail and allow the spoke to pull through,
though I've certainly seen this happen with light non-aero rims (all of
them anodized).

So which was it, Thomas, the rim or the nipple?
And what type of Matrix rim?

--
Chris Moll                       (510)486-7891
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"Blessed are they who Go Around in Circles, for they Shall
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From: gjh@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Gary Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Thanks, (Was Re: Help with an elusive creak?)
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:38:40 GMT


Thanks to everyone who sent mes advice concerning my creak, I
eventually tracked it down to the chainring bolts.  They are now good
and tight and everything is fine.  I should really have twigged it a
lot earlier, I just suddenly noticed that the creak was much worse
when on the small chainring and everything clicked.  Perhaps it was
the bikes way of telling me to ride harder :-)

Thanks everyone, I'm sure some of that advice will come in handy in
the future as well.

Gary
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: javier@cs.toronto.edu (Javier Pinto)
Subject: Re: Lemond Toast?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:42:02 GMT

bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer) writes:

>bschwart@ferris.cray.com (Robert J. Schwartz) writes:
>> I guess what took me was
>>the relative young age at which Anquetil, Merckx, and Hinault took their 5th
>>victories.  15 championships between them and none after age 30. Zoetemelk
>>is the most recent "older" champion, aided by Hinault's tendonitis during 
>>that year.

>Was any of them forced to recuperate from a serious gunshot wound
>between wins 1 & 2 of the TdF?  Just curious...
>-- 
><> Bob `Bear' Geer <>  bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com             __o    <>

Are you saying that if Anquetil or one of the others had been shot between
wins of the TDF they might have won the tour after age 30?
From: jym@remarque.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Ride safe, fellow cyclists.
Date: 24 Jul 1992 16:38:14 GMT
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
	<1992Jul17.155128.13299@javelin.sim.es.com>
	<l6e0haINN3ec@coltexo.cs.utexas.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: varvel@cs.utexas.edu's message of 17 Jul 92 17:23:54 GMT

>> . . . or any other statues where violated . . .
> In most jurisdictions there is no specific law against
> violating statues, although it would be best done in private.

=o= Actually, most states have statuatory rape laws.
    <_Jym_>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: euahac@eua.ericsson.se (Hakan Carlson)
Subject: Rim failure, for Jobst and other netters!
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:03:38 GMT



Hi

I have a question to the net, but first the story:

Last night when out riding I noticed that I had a 'wobble' in my rear
wheel. It is built with Ultegra hub, straight gauge  spokes and a Mavic
MA40 rim(anodized).I have not built it myself, a friend did it, and I
told him I wanted it 'highly' tensioned.

When I tried to true the wheel I noticed that the rim had a 'crack' in
the brake surface at one of the spoke nipples(sorry didn't notice which
side). When I had removed the tire, tube and rim strip I found that the
'nipple socket'(?) was broken also.

I took the wheel to a bike shop to have it rebuilt. The man in the bike
shop said it was no wonder my rim had broken because my spokes were to
tight!

I have Jobst book and if I have understood it correctly a 'tightly' tens-
oned wheel is stronger and I didn't think the spokes were over tensioned.

So, can some one tell me if he is right? Since reading Jobst book I was
under the impression that you should tension the wheel up to the point
of deformation (and back of a little).

Jobst (or someone else) enlighten me :-)


Hakan Carlson
ELLEMTEL Telecommunication Systems Laboratories
SWEDEN
MAIL: Hakan.Carlson@eua.ericsson.se


P.S. I do know how to build wheels(at least I thought so) but I am VERY
slow and I rather spend my summer nights/weekends riding bike :-)
From: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:03:56 GMT
Reply-To: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles, MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
>I watched the finals of the Women's Road Race yesterday and....arrghh! Is
>*everything* going to be this bad? It's the MTV-ing of sport.

    I especially liked the way they cut to "Dick Enbergers Moments"
in the last five minutes of the race, just after it looked like the
australian's break was might work. After Dick waxed poetic about how 
the opening ceremonies differed from the 1968 olympics, we were treated
to ten minutes of local news, then a five minute blurb on the programming
for the pay channels. With commercials, about a 25 minute break from
the race!
    Then we saw another minute of racing, the win, and more touching
human interest stuff.  I didn't use a stopwatch, but it seemed that 
we had about 6 minutes of actual racing, 12 minutes of "up close and 
way too personal," and 20 minutes of fluff and political commentary 
for the entire womens road race. Oh, and splice in about 30 minutes 
of commercials.
    Can it get any worse?  I was flipping to Beverly Hillbillys re-runs
to alleviate the boredom!  Thank god for remotes!

    Imagine if they did this for baseball:
    Start with the 20 second version of nifty graphics with horn music. 
Spend the first 20 minutes in a baseball factory interviewing the person
who stitches the covers on. Do a long set of commercials. Listen to 
the fat lady sing the anthem. More commercials. Jump into the game in 
the sixth inning. "It's a ground ball, the runner scores! The XXXXXX
are up by two!" Cut to commericals. 
    Then a running commentary on how baseball is popular in Puerto Rico. 
Do an up close and personal on the catcher.  Show the fishing boats 
his father used to work on. Do the 40 second version of nifty graphics 
with horn music. More commercials.
    Skip to the ninth inning. "it's the bottom of the 9th, the bases 
are loaded, the score is tied. Two outs. We'll be right back!." Cut 
to a long set of commercials.  Add about 10 minutes of wall street weekly, 
then a five minute set on panda mating. More commercials. Now put on 
the 10 o'clock news. More commercials. "And we're back. It's a bunt! 
The runner scores!"
    Interview the catcher, ask him about Puerto Rican seafood. "What do
you think about fish?"  Show a short clip of Fidel Castro throwing out
a pitch. Tell the viewers that "we'll have more of the same tommorow!" 
(As if that was enticing...) Cut to the 60 second version of nifty graphics 
with horn music. More commercials.

BAH! No wonder they lose money.

Tim Smith
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Subject: Re: Bicycle helmets (was Re: Ontario government ...)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 00:27:06 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Summary: Anecdotal?  you bet!

  Back in the mid 1970's, within a month of when I
bought my first Bell bike helmet, a cyclist in Sacramento died in a
solo cycling accident at zero speed.  He was apparently doing a
trackstand waiting for a light to change.  According to what I read,
his head hit the curb.  There was a quote later from the medical examiners'
office to the effect that "he was dead before he finished falling"
 
Anecdotal?  you bet.  Research it?  not me, I already did.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: marcelg@r-node.gts.org (Michel)
Subject: Re: Mountain Co-op
Organization: R-node Public Access.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:43:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.233559.14551@sol.UVic.CA> jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA (John Panusa) writes:
>I remember seeing a discussion of a mail-order company here in B.C. 
>called 'Mountain Co-op' or something similar.  In any case, are their
>prices much less than local shops?  I find that the shops in Victoria
>offer prices similar to U.S. mail-order! (after exchange/duties).

Definitely yes.  One example: the Third Eye Pro helmet mirror.  MEC
(Mountain Equipment Co-op) sells it for $9.  The local large bike shop
sells the identical mirror for $19.  <ahem>.

>If 'Mountain Co-op' is competitive, could someone please post an
>address or phone number?

There is a store in Vancouver -- 428 West 8th Ave, 1 block east of
Cambie.  Phone number is (604) 872-7858.

Hmm, while I'm at it:  

Calgary -- 1009  4th Ave SW, at the downtown end of the Louise (10th)
Street bridge.  (403) 269-2420.

Toronto -- 35 Front St E, one block east of the O'Keefe Centre. 
(416) 363-0122.

And finally, the mail order number: canada toll-free 1-800-663-2667,
outside canada: (604) 732-1537, fax (604) 731-6483.


I'm a very happy customer of MEC.  They design most of the clothing and
equipment they carry, as well as carrying most of the major outdoor
equipment brands.  A note about their pricing policy: companies have
stopped supplying MEC in the past because of the very low markup
compared to other stores.  MEC is big enough now (300k members) that it
has the clout to avoid such scenarios.

Final important note about MEC: they carry only equipment for
*self-powered* outdoor activities -- cycling, climbing, hiking,
canoeing, x-country skiing and so forth.  You will not find things 
for downhill skiing, horse riding or other sports where the 
participant is not actively propelling the activity themselves.

Hope this helps.

--
 Michel Goudeseune                       marcelg@zooid.guild.org

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.followup
From: Mother Nature <gaea@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:54:28 GMT

steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steven C. Potter) writes:
>  Apart from the occasionally startled old lady or gentleman, or a kid
>  nearly jumping out of his skin on suddenly being awoken from his semi-
>  conscious daydreaming, I have found the horn to be about the most effective
>  method for avoiding accidents. It is probably a dozen times more valuable
>  than my helmet!
>
>  What does everybody else think?

On a related note, I really hate it when cars honk their horns at cyclists.
I've nearly been scared off my bicycle several times by cars coming up
behind me, and honking at me, especially when I haven't done anything to
warrant being honked at.

It's not nearly so bad getting "beeped" at by a cyclists when you are a
pedestrian, all you do is jump. But a being startled out of your skin when
you're on a bicycle can be dangerous.

Gaea
gaea@zooid.guild.org

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general