HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 03:35:51 GMT

In article <8+!33pm@rpi.edu> liebea@rpi.edu writes:
>In article <rawdon.726436210@cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>|> 
>|> Star Trek:  Deep SIX? :-)
>
>     Resolved:  The correct abbreviation for Deep Space Nine is ST:D6.
>

Great!   I can live with that.   :-)

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: ST:DS9...
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 08:53:29 PST


>I'm pretty sure that O'Brien said she was "threatening" to go live with
>her mother, becuase their quarters were in such awful shape.  Then again,
>we never saw her.  Was it just me? Or did O'Brien's voice drop into something
>a little more Irish every-now-and-then?  His character was definitly a lot
>rounder in DS9.  The kicking of the Cardassian Transporter was classic.

You may be right about Keiko "threatening" to live with her mother.  My
memory seldom serves me correctly.  Yes, I do believe that Miles is
becoming more "Scotty-ish."  I hope he brings out his Irish accent a wee
be more: "Blast those Cardassians, always trying to get me Lucky Charms"

>>For all you folks complaining about Deanna's breasts, what did you think
>>of the ladies in Quark's gin joint?  See?  Breasts are in in the 24th
>>century.  Let 'em hang out, Deanna!

>Oh no...Here we go again....:-)

Honest, I'm not trying to revive a dead topic! (And yet, I did)  My only
point is that in the future, they don't appear to be as hung up about the
the human body as we apparently are.  They have obviouslylearned that a
woman's chest is no more dirty or obscene than a man's.  (Witness Kirk
in almost any fight scene in TOS--shirt always torn off.  We never saw
Tasha Yar's shirt torn off in a fight)(Nah, she was too tough)

>One more thought:  The episode, esp. the beginning, seemed really choppy.
>The amount of commercials during the show seems to indicate that the
>original script may have been longer and smoother.  As it was, the entire
>deal with the Orbs and the Priestess just kinda happened, and you dealt
>with it.  I don't know...ideas?

>Joeski

Yup, they should have spent more time telling us who the priestess was and
what these orb things are.  How do they actually figure in the Bagoran (sp?)
religeons.  What are these orbs?  We saw one turn into the worm lady (sorry
I can't remember anyones name yet).  So are these orbs people who have been
caught in the wormhole and ejected the same way as the worm lady?  Why do
they only show scenes from your past?  If they are from a dimension where
time in non-linear, shouldn't they also show you scenes from your future?

     \    /\
      \  /__\
Scott  \/an  \rtsdalen
PP-ASEL
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.sf.tv
From: jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson)
Subject: Star Trek: DS9 airing times on WPIX-11 (NYC)
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Distribution: ny
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:41:08 GMT

I just called up WPIX today and they said the following:

  They do not get TNG or DS9 by satelite, and instead get
it via tape (mail!?).
  They will continue to air TNG on at 7:00pm Sat (uplink+7days)
and then repeat it a week later at 11:30pm Sun (uplink+15days).

  They will air DS9 at 7:00pm Sun (uplink+8days) and then repeat
it a week later at 11:30pm Sat (uplink+14days).

Grumble, grumble...

btw, I dropped a note to the DS9 Station List maintainer regarding
this.
--
John Hawkinson
jhawk@panix.com
From: A.M.T.Bell@daresbury.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell,G2,3123,homephone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Computer voices
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:17:08 GMT
Reply-To: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

In article 12260@mailer.cc.fsu.edu, marchini@ds10.scri.fsu.edu (Juan Marchini) writes:
>In article <abick.726386921@cunews> abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:
>>Did anyone else find it stupid that the Saratoga had the same computer
>>voice as the Enterprise? I remember that in the old series (namely Gary-7)
>>Kirk was annoyed with the "new" computer voice calling him "dear". Spock
>>said that it had been changed in a recent refit. If it is so easy to
>>change why would all ships have the same voice in TNG?
>>
>i just saw Gary-7 a couple of days ago and i don't remember this seen.
>are you sure about that?
>
>>Alan Bick
>>
>
>


You are confusing the Gary Seven episode with the "Tomorrow is Yesterday" episode
(on BBC2 2 days ago) in which the big E goes back to 1968 and beams aboard a USAF
pilot. The computer calls Kirk "dear" this one

tony bell                 ! keep on running   live long and prosper
serc daresbury laboratory ! "back off man, i'm a scientist"
atb@uk.ac.dl.gserv1       ! bill murray - ghostbusters
From: tallman@ailanthus.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DSN - Where does the Nine come from?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 22:45:08 EDT
Reply-To: tallman@ailanthus.com (Robert Oliver)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

ternent@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu (John Ternent) writes:

> In article <1993Jan7.162352@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.ch
> 
> 
> > Deep Space Nine  -  why 9?
> >            ^^^^
> > The wife says it comes from the "nine missing tears of the prophet".
> 
> > Yes?  No?  Don't Know?
> 
> > TRAVIS
> > hhtra@hou28.chevron.com
> 
> Maybe, but I don't think so.  I think it is simply the ninth deep space 
> station of the Federation (the same way that planets are named by their 
> solar system and then their number from the sun).  It's just that the other 
> eight stations aren't nearly as interesting.
> 
> Besides, Deep Space Six would be too confusing.
> 
> John

From what I have read "Deep Space 9" was originally a temporary title 
intended to suggest the actual title. "It should sound something 
like...oh, I don't know, Deep Space 9." This working title was used so 
often by the staff and eventually reproduced in the media that it became 
the official title and was not changed.

........
Robert Oliver, tallman@ailanthus.com
via Ailanthus Project +1 207-989-6562 - Brewer, Maine.
........
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: juodvalk@quanta.eng.ohio-state.edu (Vincent V. Juodvalkis)
Subject: Question:  Where is Keiko?
Summary: Question:  Where is Keiko?
Keywords: O'Brien Keiko DSN TNG
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:22:12 GMT


Does anyone know what happened to Keiko?

I am fairly sure that I have seen all the TNG episodes this year,
but I cannot recollect any reason for O'Brien to be leaving the
Enterprise without Keiko.  Did they split up or something?

I missed the very beginning of DS9 last night, so I am hoping that
it was covered there.  Any info would be greatly appreciated.


-- Vincent


Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: roy@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Best line for DS9: The Emissary --and other comments
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 13:23:44 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <1ij8noINNmpd@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Michael Wright) writes:
>
>In article <16B4D143ED.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>
>spoilers ahead,
>
>
>
>| best line:
>|   Chief O'Brien: "You never served with Bajoran woman before, have you,
>|sir?"
>
>Seriously, I think the best dramatic line was, Commander Sisko: "It is not linear"
>
>It takes a great deal of skill to bring that line to such a dramatic
>climax as Brooks did. He was refering to the fact that although  most
>people think time is linear, ( so much of the show was devoted
>to showing how a real person could theoretically communicate this idea
>to someone who is not in linear time) in the end Sisko's triumph was
>realizing that humans were more complex than this. Such a great
>realization required nothing but science fiction to create, and
>required a great actor to bring off an otherwise trite line. 
>
>This show could be much better than the plastic soap opera we call
>TNG.
>-- 
>"There is nothing in the marginal conditions that     
>    distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            
>                      Kenneth Boulding                             
>
>                                       All comments  are mine---(David Wright) 
>                                               david@cats.ucsc.edu.

You are correct David.  DSN was the best made-for-TV scifi I have ever
seen.  The producers are on the right track.  I hope they try to be
more than just an STNG that pushes the envelope on action and
crudeness/darkness.  The pilot was great.  They just have to keep
it up.  The pilot, like STNG's "Inner Light" episode, are proof that
fans can accept a scifi show that has intelligence.

Regards,
Tom Rogers
roy@trigger.watson.ibm.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Disclaimer:  The comments in this post  | - What is your name?     |
|              are not necessarily shared | - What is your quest?    |
|              with my employer           | - What is...             |
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: stailey@bugs.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: DS9: Thoughts on Past Prologue (no spoilers)
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola LMPS Research, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:07:48 GMT


Well, the show is off to a good start. I don't know about
you guys, but I'm very impressed with the character developement,
especially that of Major Kira. With an Odo episode next week,
I hope they continue the focus on each primary cast member.
This show has a much more captivating feel than ST:TNG. 

--
Michael                      
stailey@comm.mot.com     


Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Best line for DS9: The Emissary
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:19:27 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1993Jan6.044306.13702@news.acns.nwu.edu> mark-brodsky@nwu.edu writes:
>In article <16B4D143ED.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>  
>YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>>    Can one quote be a spoiler?
>	No
>I think the best line goes to Quark
>"Never drink the liquor of a god-fearing people...."

I liked Quark's growl... "I love a woman in uniform."  Considering Ferengi
and their feelings about clothed women...

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|  Brad Barton - brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org  |  "Light the lamp, not the rat!"  |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Actor who plays Quark
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:19:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


I don't know what, if anything, Armin Shimerman (Quark) plays
on "Brooklyn Bridge" (which I've never seen).  However, in
case anyone is interested, he had a recurring role on BEAUTY
AND THE BEAST (TV series, not the Disney cartoon) as Pascal,
the guy in charge of the Tunnel World's pipe-banging communica-
tions system.

-- 
Bill Henley, Assistant Sysop, Cleveland Free-Net Science Fiction
& Fantasy SIG (aa396)
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Four Lights (was Re: Chain Of Command Part II -- review)
Date: 4 Jan 1993 15:56:17 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: uhad2.admin.uh.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Dec30.181214.20761@cbfsb.cb.att.com> rosen@cbnewsb.cb.att.com writes:
> In article <608@rml.UUCP> jack@rml.UUCP (jack hagerty) writes:
> >In article <Bzxt23.L31@world.std.com> tob@world.std.com (Tom O Breton) writes:

> >>The four lights was a brilliant device. (No pun intended). In one simple
> >>visual metaphor, it encapsulated the whole struggle going on.
> >
> >It was hardly original, though. As soon as I heard David Warner ask
> >"How many lights do you see?" I knew *exactly* how the course of
> >the torture would go. It was lifted almost whole cloth from a movie on
> >wartime torture whose name escapes me. [I keep coming up with "Bridge
> >on the River Kwai, but that was a sweatbox. Perhaps it was "The Manturian
> >Candidate" but I don't think so] 

  Most notably, to my mind, in George Orwell's _1984_. "Two plus two is five."
I was wondering how many people noticed this.  It practically screamed at me
whe I saw it -- I wished they had used something a *bit* more subtle, a la 
Steve's notes, below.

> 	You have to go back even further then that - Check out William
> 	Shakespear's _Taming_of_the_Shrew_ or the modern day "Kiss me 
> 	Kate" Some vidiots may even recall that the show "MoonLighting"
> 	produced a take off on this plot.
> 
> 	"Is that the Sun that I see shining up in the night sky, or
> 	 is it the Moon?"


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
********************************************************************************
* Speak for my employers?  They don't even know I exist!		       *
*"Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System."*
* "Power finds its way to those who take a stand.  Stand up, Ordinary Man."    *
*      ---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mike Levine: Triumph 		               *
********************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: rahayden@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (R Andrew Hayden)
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:42:47 GMT

cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:

>meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky) writes:

>>The "Official" abriviation (the one used by people actually involved with  
>>the shoe) is DS9. That's what I'll use for now. What actually ends up being  
>>used on the nets......well, only time will tell.

>Just out of curiousity, how do you know that DS9 is what the people 
>involved use?

That was teh initials I saw used in the 2-page Newsweek article about DS9.
 It also briefly mentioned the other sci-fi shows that are coming out.

-- 
]> And a rock feels no pain            + Robert Hayden                     <]
]> And an island never cries           +                                   <]
]>            -----                    +    rahayden@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu  <]
]>      Question Authority             +    aq650@slc4.INS.CWRU.Edu        <]
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: forbes@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Scott Forbes)
Subject: Re: r.a.s.current article stats for the last week  WOW
Organization: Usenet Sports Programming Network
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:32:44 GMT

Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com> writes:
_\ 
_\ | Articles  Bytes   Newsgroup
_\ |   1432   5527819  bionet.molbio.genbank.updates
_\ |   1349   2331106  soc.motss
_\ |   1306   2253569  rec.arts.startrek.current
_\ |   1284   1915822  comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
_\ 
_\ So out of--what 1800--newsgroups, only two had more articles posted to
_\ them than r.a.s.current.

Hey, look on the bright side -- we're #3.  :-}  Thirteen months ago,
just before the tech/current/misc/fandom split, rec.arts.startrek was
far and away the #1 newsgroup by number of articles.


_\ I'd defintle be in favor of a split, but most of the recent proposals
_\ seem to either be too encouraging for cross-posting or too confusing
_\ for newbies.

That about sums up the effects of further splitting the group.  :-{
The existing hierarchy is weighted strongly against cross-posting,
and IMHO errs on the "too confusing for newbies" side -- witness the
number of articles posted to r.a.s.current that should be in *.misc
or *.fandom -- but any further split would either worsen that problem
or (shudder) increase cross-posting.

These days I'm leaning toward the idea that cross-posting will not be
the eventual cause of the heat death of the universe, but so far I
don't see enought people saying "we need a split!" badly enough to
overcome the net's basic resistance to change.
								   =====
								 =---=====
--								=-----=====
Scott Forbes		AT&T Network Wireless Systems		==---======
Naperville, IL		forbes@ihlpf.att.com			 =========
								   =====
From: hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:33:30 GMT
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Originator: news@cbnewsf.cb.att.com

In article <16B4D899F.JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu> JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu writes:
>>2) From the viewpoint of the production staff; Stewart wants to expand his

[deleted to save space]

>>Anyway just my idea on how TNG can solve some of it's developmental problems
>>if the show is to continue through seasons 7 & 8.
>>
>>paul m.
>>
>Another solution is to broaden the venue of ST:TNG to include more starships
>than just the Enterprise.  Let Picard remain captain of the Big E and promote
>Riker to captain another ship (and bring some of the crew with him).  Then
>Stewart can be in the shows that feature the E and Frakes can be in the rest.
>Riker's ship could have a different mission than the E, perhaps on the
>fringe of the galaxy and dealing with more varied and, maybe, more dangerous
>species and interacting occasionally with DS9.

Picard has already turned down a promotion to Admiral and a
posting as head of star fleet Academy.  I would say a promotion
to Commodore (or even Admiral) and the use of the E as his
flagship with Captain Riker as Flag Captain would be more
logical.  This would give them both their promotions and
increased responsibility while keeping them in the E (as they
insist on doing).  Some of the Hornblower novels deal with the
issue when Hornblower gets promoted and has to restrain himself
from interfering with his good friend who he has brought with him
as Captain.
-- 
____________________________________________________
| Hillel Markowitz    |     Im ain ani li mi li    |
| H_Markowitz@att.com | Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha |
|_____________________|____________________________|
From: A.M.T.Bell@daresbury.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell,G2,3123,homephone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why aren't there any black aliens?
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:12:16 GMT
Reply-To: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

In article L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM, L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM () writes:
>This may be a dumb question but why aren't there any black aliens?
>All Ferenghi (sp?)  appear to be the same color.  Klingons have minor
>shading and ridge differences but are predominantly the same color.
>Any black Betazoids?  Black Romulans?  Vulcans?  Sure that tar-thing
>that killed Tasha Yar was black but it dosen't count.  It was pure
>evil and hatred.  Are humans the only species with skin color
>variations?  Oh, yeah, I forgot about the black/white white/black guys
>that were fighting in ST:TOS.
>
>     \    /\
>      \  /__\
>Scott  \/an  \rtsdalen  (white human, Earth)
>PP-ASEL


Micheal Dorn is "black", Dorn plays Worf, a Klingon. Klingons are aliens.

Therefore we have "black" aliens


tony bell                 ! keep on running   live long and prosper
serc daresbury laboratory ! "back off man, i'm a scientist"
atb@uk.ac.dl.gserv1       ! bill murray - ghostbusters
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: hhuang@athena.mit.edu (Han-Young Huang)
Subject: Re: Trek review mailing list?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:19:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.022748.7427@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:
>Anyone interested in starting a Trek-review mailing list?  Content
>to be strictly reviews [...]

YES!  The bandwidth is getting too much.  So separate DS9 from TNG.
Continue to separate .misc from .current.  Finally, have a .reviews
subsection.  So:

rec.arts.startrek.tng.misc
rec.arts.startrek.tng.current
rec.arts.startrek.tng.reviews
rec.arts.startrek.ds9.misc
rec.arts.startrek.ds9.current
rec.arts.startrek.ds9.reviews

Suggestions?
From: dap20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (David A Pauke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Odo in DS9 (**MINOR SPOILER**)
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:55:24 GMT
Reply-To: dap20@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (David A Pauke)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1993Jan11.234010.11536@spectrum.xerox.com> greer@euphoria.xis.xerox.com (Greer Tan Swiston) writes:
>What I don't get is if Odo can be separable parts (bag and chips) what
>happens if a piece is misplaced??  I mean, what if the Cardassians
>didn't win ALL the chips that made up Odo?  Or someone dropped a chip?
>


A careful look at Odo changing back to human form on the Cardassian ship
leads me to believe Odo was ONLY the bag. You can see the bag "melt"
around the chips, (though you only see the chips briefly) then the camera
cuts to the hallway view, presumably leaving the chips behind.  It seems
apparent then, that he is able to vary his mass (or increase his mass from
surrounding objects).  Look how easily he could use his weight against the
alien during the robbery/capture sequence, which weight seemed to roughly
correspond to a humanoid of that size.  Contrast that with the ease with
which the Odo bag was carried, obviously MUCH lighter than a adult
humanoid.

After all, it seems reasonable that if a creature exists that can change
shape, how much more difficult is it to believe it can also change mass?

And so it goes.....
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Subject: Re: Why a commander instead of captain
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:37:22 GMT

In article <kchu.726220272@unixg.ubc.ca>, kchu@unixg.ubc.ca (Kwan Chu Chu) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> I just wonder why Star Fleet will send a commander to an outpost which 
|> is so close to the neutral zone between the Fed. and the Cadassian (sp).
|> F really considers DPN as an important outpost, I guess at least a
|> captain rank officer, or at least somebody has experience with the Cad. 
|> should be sent. I don't mean Sisko is not qualified, it just sounds 
|> strange to me to have Commander with so much anger, so little enthusiasm
|> to command a so remote and yet important outpost.
|> 


............. Spoilers ..............Spoilers ...............Spoilers
























I think you missed a few details at the beginning of the show.  First,
the Cardassians left both Bajor & the station because the planet's
resources were all used up.  The station was *NOT* important to the
Federation.  The Federation simply wanted a presence in that area to
assist the Bajorans in rebuilding their homeworld.

Sisko was assigned to assist the Bajorans with their rebuilding efforts. 
It was the Bajoran high priestess that convinced Sisko to look for the
origin of the orbs.  It was Dax that pinpointed where the orbs came from
and sent a shuttle to investigate.  The wormhole only appeared when the
shuttle got near enough to trigger its opening.  The wormhole is what
made the area so valuable.  

Now, would it make sense to remove a commander after only two or three
days of command & replace him?  I think not!  I'm sure that Star Fleet &
the Federation will be watching very closely to make sure that the
outpost remains secure.  Who knows, maybe they will arm the base with
those 5000 photon torpedos!
-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ronald J. Beck           | IP rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com |Do now what others
Member, Group Tech Staff | MaBell (214) 952-4566       |won't so you can do
Texas Instruments        |                             |later what others
McKinney, Texas          |                             |can't
---------------------------------------------------------------------------