HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hyatt@cis.uab.edu (Robert Hyatt)
Subject: Re: Bratko-Kopec Test
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:20:56 GMT

In article <20586@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> lim@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Lloyd Lim) writes:
>
>Page 62:
>"Subjects were given a total of two minutes for each position to select
>their preferred move(s) and to write down up to four choices in order
>of preference on the answer sheet provided."
>
>"...if the "preferred move" selected by a subject for a given test
>position is the correct move, one full point credit is given; if the
>subject's second choice is the correct move, then 1/2 point credit is
>given; third choice correct give 1/3 point credit, and fourth choice
>gives 1/4."
>
>They don't say how they get a program's second, third, and fourth
>choices.  Presumably there is some way to look at how a program
>ranks the alternative moves.
>

Our method (cray blitz) was as follows:  on the last iteration, it would
start off with the best move from the previous iteration.  call this move
"x".  before the two minutes were up it would first change it's mind to
move "y" and then discover move "z" was better just before the two minute
limit was up.  We then reported first choice was "z", second choice was "y"
and third choice was "x".  We didn't report a fourth choice since we didn't
have one.  Now, we could dump the move list which is initially ordered by
a good "guestimate" of the worth of each move after static evaluation and
capture analysis.  This list is constantly updated as different moves look
better as the iteration depth increases.  We could probably give the top
10 choices now.

Bob

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From: mem@world.std.com (Jeff Lesser)
Subject: Re: Nice Pieces!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 04:22:44 GMT

science@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Zimmermann) writes:

>I concur with Randy --- the USCF "Kasparov" set & board that I got
>several months ago is *very* nice, particularly for the price ... and
>I don't actually mind USCF's advertisements (they're arguably less
>fluffy than most advertising I see these days, and always seem honest
>enough; who is that model in the catalog, anyway?:-) ... my only
>immediate complaint is that the attache-case that they also offer to
>carry the "Kasparov" set & board around in is very ill-made
>(particularly the plastic lining) --- I had to send it back for a
>refund.  But the pieces come with a decent enough box, and if I can
>just manage not to scratch up the board too soon, I'll be ok.  The set
>itself is great --- I think that my results have gone up 100 rating
>points since I started using it!

>Overall, IMHO the USCF mail-order service has improved *greatly*
>during the past few years; they've never lied to me over the phone
>(unlike many other outfits) and offer a full money-back guarantee.
>Shipping prices are too high and too complex to compute (they should
>just have a flat rate, maybe $3/order like the better software houses
>have, and forget about the few-pennies discounts on books), and they
>could offer a discount for big orders ... but in general, I like to
>order from USCF and hope that they continue to expand their catalog.
>Their online advice is nice too.  Now, if they could only sell lucky
>pens.... :-)


Specifically which set (item #) is this?  I may buy one, based on this
recommendation.  Also, how good is the USCF as far as speed of shipping? 
Does it go out promptly?  UPS?
 
Thank you.
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: just a point of view
Date: 3 Jan 93 02:48:36 GMT
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <1992Dec31.152356.20083@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ed@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (edward.m.hummel) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.071413.19159@midway.uchicago.edu> hau4@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>Sarajevo is not in Yugoslavia. Bosnia is not under any sanctions.
>
>As I understand it, the sanctions apply to all the states which
>were part of the former Yugoslavia.  This includes Bosnia.

You misunderstood it. The UN sanctions apply only to the (unrecognized)
country that calls itself "Yugoslavia" and consists of Serbia and Montenegro.

	Sven
From: wagner@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: ASCII chessboard representation
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:03:21 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

> # In article <Dec.22.11.20.38.1992.6612@genesis.rutgers.edu> miklas@genesis.rutgers.edu (Keith Miklas) writes:
> #> Hello.
> 
> [Expository about ornate ASCII chess board display deleted.]
> 
> #> ____________CUT Below this line_______________________________________
> #> [remainder deleted for sanity's sake]
> #
> # Allow me to summarize:  YUK! X-P
> #
> # I applaud your efforts, but find the board visually difficult to
> # read.  This is like those damn "collector" boards, with wizards,
> # dragons,  cartoon characters, or civil war "heros".  The "noise
> # level" is too high to make any sense.  I'd suggest sticking to
> # something more "tried and true", like the simple display used
> # in the unix "chess" program:
> #
> # 8  R N B Q K B - R
> # 7  P P P P P P P P
> # 6  - * - * - N - *
> # 5  * - * - * - * -
> # 4  - * - p - * - *
> # 3  * - * - * - * -
> # 2  p p p * p p p p
> # 1  r n b q k b n r
> #
> #    a b c d e f g h
> #
> # Here we see the board after 1. e4 Nf6
> #
> # I'm not claiming this is the "bee's knees" of chessboards,
> # just that I find it simple enough to read.
> #
> # Comments welcome.  Flames routed to /dev/null
> #
> # Duffy Patzerfish.
> 

I use something like this, except with some neutral letter (like u)
in place of p to avoid the Pp confusion. Works for me.

						-Luke
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From: srivasta@physics.ucla.edu (Srivastava)
Subject: Need help in compiling gnuchess-4.0.pl60
Organization: UCLA Department of Physics
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 23:51:03 GMT


I have successfully compiled gnuchess-4.0.pl58 on a sparc-IPX using 
gcc-2.3.1. Last week I got the patch-level 60 and that also compiled
without any problem. The 1st time it ran, it created a binary-opening
book and worked just fine. All the subsequent times, it gave a core-dump
with some "Arithmatic error message". When I delete the binbook, it runs
fine ONCE (after creating a binbook, 3 MB size) and the core dumps after
that. I have atleast 5 MB empty space.

Any pointer to locate and fix the problem is welcome.   
--Sanjay.

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From: simonich@croatia.eng.hou.compaq.com (Chris Simonich)
Subject: Re: Don't blame lawyers!
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:51:40 GMT

In article <1hn68aINNjag@life.ai.mit.edu> joltman@cookie-crisp.ai.mit.edu (T. Andy Frakes) writes:
>In article <1992Dec26.182617.643@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>|> While that may have been a tactic you used to while away the hours in your
>|> otherwise pointless existance, my posts have been designed to question the
>|> positions stated by 'experts' and if said positions are the result of informed,
>|> impartial decision-making.
>
>You seem to make a point of trying to pass yourself off as a well-educated
>scholar by using eloquent wording.  This sentence fragment, although humorously
>insulting, is not that easy to decipher.  If you are so concerned about your
>image, you should take the time to proofread your posts.
>
>|> Just because YOU waste your life does not mean that everyone else is as
>|> pointless as you.
>
>Again, if you want to sound intelligent and respectable (and you obviously
>aspire to do so), it's usually not very convincing to lower yourself to simply
>insulting people whose viewpoints you don't agree with.  If you can't think of
>an intelligent response, it's best to just say nothing at all.  Otherwise you'll
>just make yourself sound more ignorant than you are.
>
>|> Make no mistake, my attacks are entirely serious.
>
>They seem to be seriously lacking in substance due to an overabundance of
>fluff you put into them.  You're so concerned with smearing your 'opponent' and
>trying to make people think that you're the most intelligent person around (I
>guess you assume that if you can make people think that you're the smartest, then
>people will give more weight to your opinions or something) that you have little
>space left over for the issue at hand.
>
>|> > Oh well.  I think I'll start reading this thread for a while in case it
>|> > proves interesting.
>|> 
>|> Not with such un-educable people as yourself jumping in...except, of course, to
>|> those who have similar degrees of repsect for legitimate questions.
>
>The only reason I jumped in was to point out a little irony about a certain
>poster, regardless of my repsect for legitimate questions.
>
>================================================================
>=             T. Andy Frakes (joltman@ai.mit.edu)              =
>=                                                              =
>= This user does not believe in smiley faces.  Insert your own =
>================================================================

Come on now kids, be nice......
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Compaq Computer Corp.       [713] 374-1898
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From: sol.steinberg@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Sol Steinberg) 
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: CHESS GAME
Date: 12 Dec 92 11:14:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, (313)663-4173, Ann Arbor, MI, USA
Reply-To: sol.steinberg@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Sol Steinberg) 

Waiting for you in game 6. You are white, as in our disrupted game.
However, my position looks better now <G>.
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Subject: Re: A question for DMC
From: pmbarlow@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Pete Barlow... 'The Candy Guru')
Date: 23 Dec 92 12:10:02 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <18831@mindlink.bc.ca>, Peter_Stockhausen@mindlink.bc.ca (Peter Stockhausen) writes:
>> Jeff Lesser writes:
>> pmbarlow@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Pete Barlow... 'The Candy Guru') writes:
>> [stuff deleted]
>> >Just to be on the safe side, I know nothing about the 1st K-K match,
>> except
>> >that Kasparov won it, and I know very little about Fischer's tournament
>> >history, except that he won 90% of his games.
>>
>> >TCG, pb.
>>
>>
>> Actually, the first match was discontinued with Karpov (not Kasparov)
>> leading 5-3, with many draws.  Earlier in the match, Karpov had led 5-0.
>>
>>
> 
> Your ignorance is astounding. Fischer's winning percentage is under 77% based
> on some 750 games.
> Peter

See?  I tried to tell you I didn't know very much about either topic... but I'm
wrong on both counts (apparently) and I admit my errors.  Apologies.

TCG, pb.
From: jadiel@altair.csustan.edu (Jose Juan DeLeon)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: UPDATE: MChessPro vs. ChessMachine
Date: 3 Jan 93 05:47:45 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <2b45e4e9wnr070@ark.abg.sub.org> ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan) writes:
>Some new results --- including the newer version of ChessMachine:
>
>- MChessPro 486/50 vs. ChessMachine Gideon 2.1 (60/5'):    14+ 4- 2=
>- MChessPro 486/50 vs. ChessMachine King 1.0   (60/5'):     7+ 1- 2=
>- MChessPro 486/50 vs. ChessMachine Gideon 2.1 (40/2h):     5+ 2+ 3=
>- MChessPro 486/50 vs. ChessMachine Gideon 3.0 (40/2h):     2+ 0- 2=
>
>ralf
>--

Can we some games of the aforementioned matches?  In other words, please
show some supporting evidence that MChessPro does indeed knock the socks
off of ChessMachine.

Thanks
Jose
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From: pope@gold.kpc.com (John Pope)
Subject: Re: ICS Ratings
Organization: /nfs/gold/u/home/pope/.organization
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:04:27 GMT

(Jeff Lesser) writes:

> Could somebody please let me know the typical adjustment that one
> would make to estimate a person's USCF rating from his/her ICS rating
> or vice-versa?

An ICS rating is approximately USCF rating minus 500.

--
John Pope
pope@kpc.com
Kubota Pacific Computers, Inc.
(408) 987-3362
From: cracraft@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Stuart Cracraft)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Searching for John Stanback
Date: 24 Dec 92 08:22:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: life.1hbs0lINN9nu
Distribution: world
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: rice-chex.ai.mit.edu


If you know of the whereabouts of John Stanback, especially
an email address, please let me know...

Stuart Cracraft
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Don't blame lawyers!
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:19:39 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Dec28.195140.4955@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com>, simonich@croatia.eng.hou.compaq.com (Chris Simonich) writes:

>>
>>|> > Oh well.  I think I'll start reading this thread for a while in case it
>>|> > proves interesting.
>>|> 
>>|> Not with such un-educable people as yourself jumping in...except, of course, to
>>|> those who have similar degrees of repsect for legitimate questions.
>>
>>The only reason I jumped in was to point out a little irony about a certain
>>poster, regardless of my repsect for legitimate questions.
>>
>>================================================================
>>=             T. Andy Frakes (joltman@ai.mit.edu)              =
>>=                                                              =
>>= This user does not believe in smiley faces.  Insert your own =
>>================================================================
> 
> Come on now kids, be nice......
> --
> ======================================================
> Christopher Simonich        simonich@twisto.compaq.com
> Compaq Computer Corp.       [713] 374-1898
> ======================================================

Give it up Christopher, only a handful of us actually want serious debate. The
rest want to just make noise so no one thinks they are stupid.



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From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: Letter to Bush
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 06:50:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.104554.712@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.060811.24126@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec28.113850.688@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:

> Yes women are being raped. (You'd think that was somehow
>worse than the men getting killed by the way the media is playing it up.)

Arguably, being raped might sometimes be worse than being killed.

>> 
>>>If you took your energy used to point out how wrong our views are, and directed
>>>it towards bitching at your local congressman/congresswomyn, you MIGHT have
>>>actually achieved soemthing.
>> 
>> What makes you think I haven't been doing that?
>
>You spend too much time here arguing with me. IF you believe as strongly in
>what you say you do, you would not have time to debate with me.

Hey, dmc will be a divorce lawyer! When the debate is over child custody, he
will say to his client's spouse: "If you cared for your child, you'd be with
her now and wouldn't have time to fight over custody. So you don't deserve it."
And the judge gives custody to dmc's client - another great victory for dmc!

Yeah, sure...

	Sven
From: joltman@cookie-crisp.ai.mit.edu (T. Andy Frakes)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Don't blame lawyers!
Date: 29 Dec 1992 21:03:06 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cookie-crisp.ai.mit.edu

In article <1992Dec29.172256.7142@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, frants@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Leonid Frants) writes:
|> Now, let's skip the rhetoric and get to the point here. And the point
|> is, drum roll here, YOU ARE AN IDIOT or as T. Andy Frakes so precisely
|> puts it, A MORON. People like Elliot Winslow are far too nice to
|> seriously reply to the drivel you produce. You sound like Dennis Baker
|> before he ever learned how the chess pieces move. Except that his
|> articles at least were honest and carried some chess value. 
|> 
|> Leonid Frants.

Thank you, although it probably wasn't worth the price in returning line noise
for me to reply in the first place, but oh well....it's too late to change that
now.  I hadn't read any of his former barrages so I didn't know what I was
getting into (I guess I am no longer one of the lucky few who are not familiar
with his posts).  It's obviously pointless to argue intelligently with the
guy and I certainly don't have the abundance of free time that he has (judging
by the abundance of his posts) to refute him when he simply gives you 10 more
things to refute in return.  I think I'll restate what was already mentioned
by some intelligent soul (Tracy Monaghan, I believe).  Seriously, if everyone
stops replying to everything he writes, we'll probably contain the problem (I'm
not counting Sven, but I think we can separate the DMC/Sven wars easily
enough).  Another good idea may be to change the subject lines of discussions
when he tries to weasel his way into them so that it's easier to kill the
appropriate threads.  Well, hope this helped a little.

-Andy

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Subject: Re: TO THE GM's/IM's FROM DON
From: wallingf@nova.cs.uni.edu ( Eugene Wallingford )
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:55:58 -0600
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Michigan State University

dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
 
>Oh sorry, next time unless it is posting of a game record, I'll route it
>through you for you approval.

     Many of us would appreciate it if you would.  Joev, are you
     up to the task?


-- 
~~~~ Eugene Wallingford   ~~~~  Dept of Computer Science     ~~~~
~~~~ wallingf@cs.uni.edu  ~~~~  University of Northern Iowa  ~~~~
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Date: 24 Dec 92 15:37:28 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1hcu7eINN2s6@parsifal.umkc.edu>, chris@kasey.umkc.edu (Christopher Mitchell) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Dec21.101710.587@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Dec21.045954.5444@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:
>>> Nonsense. Fischer wasn't indicted for playing chess, but for doing business.
>>
>>What business was that...was it:
>>
>>1. Operating a 7-11?
>>2. Selling US passports?
>>3. Playing Chess?
> 
> Try staying in Yugoslavian hotels...travelling...eating...etc.  Not to mention
> cashing in on a 3.5 million dollar prize within the boundaries of and taxed
> by Yugoslavia.
> 
> Though I view Bobby Fischer as somewhat of an American asset and though I don't
> believe that he should spend a minute in jail (though he could well afford the
> maximum fine), he did violate a U.S. law (no matter how silly you may believe
> it).  Nowhere is it written in the U.S. Constitution that chess players are
> exempt.  
> 
> Chris

Also, nowhere does it state that the US has power over people in foreign
countries...



> --
> |                      |
> | Chris Mitchell       | Academic Computing Services
> | chris@kasey.umkc.edu | University of Missouri - Kansas City
> |                      |
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: It is legal to play chess in Yugoslavia
Date: 23 Dec 92 12:05:10 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Dec22.181439.15595@midway.uchicago.edu>, greg@zaphod.uchicago.edu (Greg Kuperberg) writes:
> I have not yet seen the following comment about the legality of the
> Fischer-Spassky chess match in Yugoslavia:
> 
> As far as I know, it is legal for an American citizen to play chess in
> Yugoslavia or with Yugoslavian citizens or both.  What is not legal is
> many kinds of business activity with Yugoslavian individuals or
> organizations.  Apparently that includes accepting prize money in a
> Yugoslavian chess tournament or royalties from its commericial
> activities.
> 
> If you want to play chess with someone in Yugoslavia, you shouldn't
> take my word for it, but I think that legal counsel would tell you
> that it's fine as long as no money is involved.

Actually, according to what I have seen of the Bush Mandate, if you were in
Yugoslavia, and bought food for dinner, you would be in violation of the law.
If, however, you STOLE the food, you would not be in violation of U.S. law.

So, I suppose Fischer should have stolen the money in a bank heist instead of
playing chess for it.


> 
> Obligatory chess question:  Does there exist a chess position in
> which Black has enough material to mate White in theory, but Black
> cannot mate White even with White's cooperation, while on the other
> hand White can mate Black without Black's cooperation?

No. If it can be proven that black cannot mate white even with white's
cooperation, then it is impossible in theory for black to mate white.

The two situations can not co-exists in our universe using our logic.
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: this has got to stop
Date: 3 Jan 93 10:34:24 EST
Followup-To: any dmc related garbage
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1993Jan03.020449.14943@uunet!ctbilbo>, ja@uunet!ctbilbo (Joseph Aronovich) writes:
> In article <1993Jan1.132548.776@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>>In article <1hvtvbINNgti@agate.berkeley.edu>, jeff@emily10.Berkeley.EDU (Jeffrey C. Ely) writes:
>>> 
>>> Please, everybody just ignore this asshole. The inference people fail to make 
>>> which keeps this guy around is that *only an idiot* would behave this way!  
>>> {Bunch Deleted}
>>> 
>>> Jeffrey Ely
>>> 
>>
>>Jeff, you go first.
>> "by KNOW_IT_ALL_BETTER_THEN_Jeffrey_Ely"   ooooophhhh
> To all of U, who is seak and tired of reading any subject in r.g.c
> without Mr. "KNOW_IT_ALL_BETTER_THEN_[ who cares ]" jumping in to PREACH.
>   I will recommend a different method of getting rid of this verbose jerk:
> let us, all concerned readers, send an e-mail to his PostMaster complainning,
> so he will stop polluting the net. It costs a lot of money
> to provide the audience for this DMC guy (as far as I am concerned
> he is chicken enough not to say his real name. I am sure DMC is
> scared to state his real name, because he is afraid that it can
> bite him in the future).

Sorry Joseph, my real name has ben in several posts. Looks like you are just
suffering from Alzheimers...

> Sorry, just could not keep my mouse shut any longer.
> This is my $1.02.
> Joseph Aronovich.


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