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From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re:  Bruins playing over heads (snicker)
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:20:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB

In article <1992Dec10.165448.25996@vicorp.com> dan@vicorp.com (Dan Gauthier) writes:
>In article <Bz0J0D.BDB@acsu.buffalo.edu> hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) writes:
>>>Why do Montreal fans always find it necessary to try to Berate
>>>the Bruins good performances?  Jealosy?  Sick of going out in 4
>>>in the playoffs?  Or is it the something in the water?  I have 
>>>NEVER seen one of these threads STARTED by a Boston fan.  
>>>
>>
>>If you've never seen one of these threads started by a Boston fan, you
>>must have stopped reading news for a while or read it through Black
>>and Gold colored glasses.  There are flakes like that in every city
>Junk deleted.
>>attack all Montreal fans and Sabres fans for your perceived past
>>transgressions?  Breathe deeply, then go home and watch your Bruins
>>trounce my Sabres.  What counts is what's on the ice.
>
>Lots of good points, BUT, your Sabres trounced our Bruins.  Sabres do 
>play well at home.
The Sabres like getting fired up for the Bruins at home.  Wish other
teams could inspire such hunger for goals for them, particularly in
the other team's building.

[notes about recalled Bruin bashing deleted]

>Dan
>
>PS, need we forget Sabres recent posts of how stupid Boston was for
>releasing Bob Sweeney.  Doesn't look so stupid now that he has regressed
>to his lazy self, eh?  

Now THIS will get you fired up.  I don't know if it was a bad move for
Boston to let Sweeney go, but it was a good move for Buffalo to take
him.  He's not going to evolve into Pat LaFontaine, but he's doing a
good job of showing a little hustle on a line with Wayne Presley.  No,
you haven't seen lazy until you've had Dave Andreychuk on your team
for a decade or so.  You can still be delighted that Bob Sweeney is no
longer wearing black and gold, but allow me to still enjoy his play,
even if he isn't on the aberrant goal scoring tear.  

>And check out the last few lines of my last post (you should have read
>that far) where I said I thought most Canadiens fans and Buffalo fans
>were fine, or something to that effect.  You are most likely one of the
>ones I can stand reading.  :-)

Thanks, hope it remains that way, looking forward to next Tuesday's
game.  :-)  Ought to be a good game, with both teams fired up.



-- 
Valerie Hammerl 	       John Sr. would lift Pat over the boards, grab 
hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu       his hand, and start running around the outside,
V085PWPZ@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU  faster and faster.  "I wanted to learn how to 
get that feeling, and the only way was to learn how to skate."  P. LaFontaine
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: moakler@romulus.rutgers.edu (bam!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Tie Domi's Heayweight Championship Tour
Date: 19 Dec 92 21:02:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


(I saw this in the Village Voice and couldn't resist posting it.)

The Tie Domi World Heavyweight Championship Tour| Upcoming Bouts

12/17 vs "Combat Kelly" Chase at St Louis Arena
12/19 vs Nick "Hell's Harpoon" Kypreos at Hartford Arena
12/26 vs Darius "Kid Latvia" Kasparaitus at Nassau Colisseum
12/27 vs Brent "Killer Bee" Hughes at Boston Garden
12/31 vs Rob "The Disintigrator" Ray at the Aud in Buffalo
(Undercard Domi vs Gord "The Grim Reaper" Donnelly)

---
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rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!moakler (UUCP)  |       New Brunswick, NJ 08903
moakler@remus.rutgers.edu (arpa)          |    	     [!RUTGERS ANIME!]   
	                      	!ALLERGIC TO J-POP!
From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL All Star games
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:22:05 GMT
Reply-To: willis@oempire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis)
Distribution: na
Organization: none

In article <1992Dec16.153956.12264@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> cliffr@pyuxf.uucp (25347-roberts) writes:
>I need some help with a question.  Someone here wants to know where
>this years and next years all star games are being played.
>


NHL All-Star games to be played:

1993 Montreal
1994 ? (The lights are on but noone is home today)
1995 San Jose

Stan
net contact: LA Kings




Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: tracyj@hall103.its.rpi.edu (Jeffrey Allan Tracy)
Subject: NHL SCORING LEADERS THRU 12/13/92
Summary: These are the top 20 scorers for the NHL through Sunday, December 13.
Keywords: NHL SCORING LEADERS THRU 12/13/92
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:52:33 GMT

--------------------------------------------------------------------- Award
SCORING               TEAM    GAMES  GOALS  ASSISTS  POINTS  +/-  PIM Predict.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mario Lemieux         Pitt     31     33      49       82     25   20 Hart, Art
Pat LaFontaine        Buff     31     22      33       55      2   33
Jari Kurri            L.A.     31     17      34       51     22   12
Adam Oates            Bost     29     17      33       50      9   10
Joe Sakic             Que      32     22      26       48     -5   18
Steve Yzerman         Det      32     24      23       47      8   13
Mats Sundin           Que      32     22      25       47      7   30
Pierre Turgeon        NYI      30     17      30       47     -3   12
Kevin Stevens         Pitt     23     22      24       45      4   36
Mark Recchi           Phil     28     17      29       46     -1   24
Mark Messier          NYR      30     15      31       46     -6   26
Luc Robataille        L.A.     31     24      21       45     13   30
Dave Anderychuk       Buff     31     23      22       45     -2   36
Doug Gilmour          Tor      29     10      33       43      3   36
Craig Janney          St.L     30      7      36       43     -7    2 Lady Bing
Joe Juneau            Bost     29     11      31       42     13   17 Calder
Rick Tocchet          Pitt     29     20      22       42      6   86
Gary Roberts          Calg     31     18      24       42     17  101
Brian Bradley         T.B.     32     23      18       41     -1   32
Brett Hull            St.L     30     16      25       41    -22   25
Stephan Lebeau        Mont     32     16      25       41     15   14
Kirk Muller           Mont     31      9      32       41      7   34  
Dale Hawerchuck       Buf      31      6      35       41     -2   10
From: assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site)
Subject: Re: The Miami ???? vs the Anaheim ?????
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:52:44 GMT
Distribution: na


In article <1992Dec15.183410.19849@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> daniell@cory.Berkeley
.EDU (Daniel Lyddy) writes:
>
>Why don't the two teams from the LA area just give up and rename themselves
>the "L.A. Bloods" and the "Anaheim Crips?" :)  Now that's one way to get
>a rivalry going!!!

I guess that was a poor attempt at a joke, however, some of us do not
find it so amusing.  I do not believe that associating the sport of
hockey with gangs is in any way humorous :-(
 
(I'm climbing down off the soapbox now . . .)

Kris
kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: New NHL Expansion
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 13 Dec 92 01:30:01 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Dec11.004135.15447@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
> In article <1992Dec10.234406.6021@bcrka451.bnr.ca> simpson@bnr.ca (Scott Simpson) writes:
>>
>>And hey, if they come in next year, Ottawa *still* gets the #1 pick, right?
>>'Cuz that's been our plan all along ;-).
>>
> 
> Should have traded that #1 pick to Quebec when you had the chance...
> bye, bye Alexandre and Victor...hello Chris, Gratton or Pronger...
> 
> The Senators better pray for another Lindros rule.

Fear not. I heard on the local TV sports show that the first three picks next
year have been guaranteed to the worst three teams this year. (Ottawa, San Jose
and ???)

								Alan

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Subject: Re: Lindros injury/Flyers Lie
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:12:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.174808.12178@tigger.jvnc.net>, haught@tigger.jvnc.net (Darrell Haught) writes:
> In article <1992Dec14.172231.19812@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
> 
> I guess I was sort of getting @that .... Granted there are going to be
> people in the seats whether Lindros plays or not but there are still
> unsold tickets available that people will buy just to see Eric play. 
> 
> >I do not believe the Flyers are putting out false information, if that
> >is what you are getting at.  The tickets are already sold so there are
> >going to be people in the seats whether Lindros plays or not.
> >
> 
> I am aware that he returned and has skated as initially stated/reported
> but it was made to sound as if it was not a major injury. I don't want
> to see him rushed back from injury at all, I would rather have him out
> for another month if that is what it takes for him to get back to 100%.
> 
> There was an article in a local paper about the Flyers makeing a   
> "mistake" by anouncing the Lindros would only be out for a week to 10
> days. 
> 
> I am just looking for opinions thats all.... 

The problem is that you are falling into a small unintentional trap that
everybody in Philly seems to be falling into. *Eric* keeps saying that he
won't be out long, and that keeps getting printed in big letters. The FLYERS
keep saying "at least a week" "no sooner that 12/something" etc. and that
gets printed in the fine print section.

Through all of this, the FLYERS on any given day have never given a target
for Lindros' return, and have always put an "at least" or "no sooner than"
at the beginning of their statements, and have always added an "or longer."

The fact is that you can't really know when the guy would be back until
he skated, and he skated reasonably within the time frame that the team
gave at the beginning. So any guesses on when he would be back were pure
speculation based mostly on Eric's own wishful thinking. And this is
another lesson that this 19 year old has hopefully learned, that you
don't do any wishful thinking in front of microphones.

Tuesday night, Eric said that he wanted to play Thursday to Bobby Taylor.
Anybody who listened to the radio (like me) last night might be thinking
based on that statement that he's about ready to play. Howard Eskin, who
I doubt was listening, reported this morning that the FLYERS have said that
Eric may be out another week. What do you think is getting printed in
those Philly papers this morning? And which is probably correct?

So my point here is take everything with a grain of salt, and ask who the
source was. If you don't know the source, you can't know how much truth
there is behind the statement.

pete clark jr - rsh FLYERS contact
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: mstern@wam.umd.edu (Michael Stern)
Subject: Re: Thomas Steen over the hill???
Keywords: Steen
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:51:29 GMT

In article <laia.724358256@sfu.ca> laia@fraser.sfu.ca (Jason Lai) writes:
>Is it just me or is Tomas Steen playing way below his potential?
>
>I mean, he is pretty old (32 I think), but nevertheless, he is playing
>with new and talented players (i.e. Teemu Selanne).  He only missed
>a few games, but yet, fails to light up the score sheet.  Looks like
>that PPG rating is taking a dive this season.. 
>
>So what's the deal??
>
>..jl
>laia@sfu.ca
>Simon Fraser University,     
>Burnaby, BC, Canada
>-- 
>Jason

Throughout his NHL career Thomas Steen has been plagueds by injuries to the
extent that he appeared in only 38 games last season, 58 games the season
before that, and 53 games in 1989-90.  His injuries have varied from the 
serious (fractured right ankle in 1990) to the mundane (back spasms in 1991).

Considering these injuries, Steen managed to have a pretty decent career
stats-wise.  Entering this season he had 218 goals and 679 points in 763
NHL games.  Steen also recorded 40 points in 50 career playoff games. Not
bad for a 5th round pick (103rd overall).

It would appear that Steen's better days are behind him.  And considering
the recent infusion of youth and talent in Winnipeg (i.e. Zhamnov, Tkachuk,
Selanne, Davydov), a retirement party may soon be in order.

Michael Stern	mstern@wam.umd.edu	USDA-ARS/UMCP
From: tiok_jk@tac.fi (Juha Koivisto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Team Finland - Team Sweden, December 14
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:05:04 +0200
Organization: City of Tampere

In article <1992Dec15.090943.6148@ericsson.se>, etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:
> 
>  Played in Helsinki, Finland, December 14:
> 
>  TEAM FINLAND - TEAM SWEDEN  3-3 (0-1,2-1,1-1)
> 
>  1st - SWE 0-1 Mikael Renberg	(Thomas Rundqvist,Fredrik Stillman)   8:43 (pp)
>  2nd - FIN 1-1 Petri Varis	(Jari Korpisalo)		      2:36
>        SWE 1-2 Mikael Renberg	(Arto Blomsten)			      4:33
>        FIN 2-2 Kari Harila	(Mika Alatalo)			      7:31
>  3rd - FIN 3-2 Jari Korpisalo	(Rauli Raitanen)		     13:09
>        SWE 3-3 Jonas Bergqvist	(Tomas Jonsson,Fredrik Nilsson)	     17:22 (pp)
> 
>  Penalties: Fin 2*2min, Swe 2*2min
>  Attendance: 6,694
>  Referee: Galinovski, Russia
> 
[text deleted]

Some additions (penalties, saves and linesmen :-) to Staffan's
excellent report:

TEAM FINLAND - TEAM SWEDEN   3-3   (0-1, 2-1, 1-1)

1. period:
  8.14  2 min  Jarkko Varvio FIN 
  8.43   0-1   Mikael Renberg (Thomas Rundqvist - Fredrik Stillman)  (pp)
2. period:
 22.36   1-1   Petri Varis (Jari Korpisalo) 
 24.33   1-2   Renberg 
 27.31   2-2   Kari Harila (Mika Alatalo) 
 29.02  2 min  Peter Popovic SWE
3. period:
 53.09   3-2   Korpisalo (Rauli Raitanen) 
 55.00  2 min  Roger Akerstrom SWE
 56.19  2 min  Pasi Sormunen FIN
 57.22   3-3   Jonas Bergqvist (Tomas Jonsson - Fredrik Nilsson)  (pp)

Penalties:  Finland 2 x 2 min, Sweden 2 x 2 min
Saves:      Ari-Pekka Siekkinen FIN 9+14+6=29
            Hakan Algotsson SWE 7+6+14=27
Referee:    Mihail Galinovski, Russia
Linesmen:   Janne Rautavuori, Finland
            Reijo Ringbom, Finland
Attendance: 6 694

-- 
Juha Koivisto   *  Department of Information Technology
tiok_jk@tac.fi  *  City of Tampere, Finland
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Radical Format Change (flame bait)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:53:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.012807.15173@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>
>>3) The Stanley Cup would be open for all teams with a 2 of 3, or a 3 of 5
>>   game format for each round
>
>This I like. The playoffs don't decide the best team anyway, so let all teams
>play. That way, it doesn't matter which division you are in, if you are playing
>hot you can go all the way (just like it is now). Make it tough for the 2nd
>division teams by cross-matching the teams: the top team in div 1 plays the
>bottom team in div 2, etc.
>

The Stanley Cup playoffs more reliably decide whom the best team is than
the regular season...

1) The Stanley Cup playoffs more reliably produce repeat champions...

2) The regular season schedule is unbalanced, eastern teams have an
huge travel advantage in the regular season.

3) Regular season standings are affected by injuries...and by teams
undergoing a learning curve.  Liberalized free agency means team
turnover is going to be much larger in the future, and a good coach
needs about 40 games for coaching to have any effect.

The regular season in the NHL is a development and learning phase...
the playoffs are a testing phase.  As with individuals, teams learn
and development and different paces, and the genius of the NHL is
that it distinctly the testing phase and the rewards and glory from
the learning and development phase.

There is a strong correlation between regular season performance
and playoff performance, but consistant winners in the playoffs tend
not to sacrifice player and team development during the regular season.

Gerald
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From: marshall@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Jim Marshall - DCS)
Subject: Re: Why Wayne should NOT return (Kindling)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:28:27 GMT

In article <1gsp64INN31c@fnnews.fnal.gov>, jeffk@cdibm.fnal.gov (Dr. J) writes:
> I'm sort of tiring of the Penguin drivel, so I offer some holiday cheer.  Get 
> those blow torches ready.  Here's why the Great One should concentrate on Janet 
> & the kids and his new career as an entrepeneur.
> 
> 1. The Kings are having a great year anyway (attendance-wise and hockey-wise). 
>    I guess it's possible for him to make a significant contribution, but it 
>    seems unlikely to me.
 I find that unlikely, Wayne would make a contribution to any team, on and off
 of the ice.  He would also make a contribution to hockey as a whole.


> 2. He could be risking serious injury.

Your right there, but I assume his doctors know and will explain the risks
involved.

> 
> 3. He has nothing left to accomplish, and certainly nothing to prove.

Only to himself, he convinced me years ago.


> 
> 4. There is some risk of him becoming a cartoon.  At one point during last
>    season (Februaru or so), 1/3 of his goals were empty-netters (8 of 23, I 

He was playing hurt most of the latter part of last year.


>    think).  This is preposterous for a man who is not only the greatest player
>    ever, but has always been synonomous with "Class".  Time to let it go, Wayne.
>    It's been terrific, but we have Mario, Jeremy, Sakic, et. al.
> -- 
> ============================================================================
> Jeff Kallenbach                       |Opinions are not neccessarily shared
> Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory |by my employer.  In fact, they agree 
> 708-840-2210                          |with very little of what I say.
> ============================================================================


There is only one Wayne and he acts as an ambassador better than anyone
else in hockey, today.


**************************************************************************

Jim Marshall

Dept.of Computing Services
University of Waterloo
Waterloo, Ontario
Canada

**************************************************************************
From: haught@tigger.jvnc.net (Darrell Haught)
Subject: Lindros injury/Flyers Lie
Originator: haught@tigger.jvnc.net
Organization: JvNCnet, Princeton University, NJ
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:00:25 GMT

I consider myself a Flyers fan but am pretty pissed off @the management
on the Lindros injury. When Eric first got injured that said he would
only be out for a week-10 days. That was on Nov. 22 and he still is not
playing. Does anybody else think that they knew he would be out longer
but considering Eric is the Flyers main attraction they would just say
hey he will be in next game. Any and all Opinions I would like to here
on this matter. 

Darrell
haught@tigger.jvnc.net
From: hp@mdavcr.mda.ca (Hossein Parandeh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Oilers trading Nichols
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:52:44 GMT
Organization: MacDonald Dettwiler, 13800 Commerce Parkway, Richmond, BC, Canada  V6V 2J3

In article <1992Dec11.231315.8525@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> daniell@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel Lyddy) writes:

>Hey, do you think Sather would agree to this one: Ruzicka for Nichols? :) :)

I think this year, unlike last year when Ruzicka was SO popular in Boston,
people are starting to realize why Slats traded him for Hogwood. Ruzicka
is good offensively, but it seems he always ends up on the trading block.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Subject: FLYERS notes 12/17 (Was: Pens-6 Flyers-2)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:08:23 GMT

In article <BzD6HB.Dpz.1@cs.cmu.edu>, lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:

Since I only had radio coverage of the game, I'm referring you all to Lori's
post for a game summary. But I'll add some FLYERS news:

Injuries:

No status changes. Eric Lindros was shown practicing all over Philly TV 
stations last night, and he seems to be skating well. Coach Dineen was
interviewed on one channel, and he said that Eric is chomping at the bit
to get back out there, but will not play tonight. That particular station
said that him playing Saturday was a real possibility though. Then another
station said one more week, and yet another said after Xmas. But only the
first station had video of coach Dineen, so maybe they know something. Dineen
said that he will absolutely not play Lindros until he's 100%

Lines:

Eklund-Recchi-Evans
Paslawski-Brind'Amour-Dineen (You know, I may have Evans and Dineen backwards)
Boivin-Acton-Brown
Pederson-Barrie-Lomakin (I'm assuming Lomakin played right, they're both left
			wingers)
No changes on defense
Beauregard in net.

Dineen also said in the above interview that Soderstrom will be in goal
tonight. About time, if you ask me...

pete clark jr - rsh FLYERS contact
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Radical Format Change (flame bait)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:01:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.124357.17536@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>You can't eliminate injuries at a critical time from any
>system...however the Stanley Cup playoffs last two months, the regular
>season lasts six months, thus the affect of injuries is lessened by
>about a third, since injuries are essentially random.

You would expect the *number* of injuries to be lessened by a third, but
the impact of those injuries would be increased by factor of three. 

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com



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From: mre@teal.Eng.Sun.COM (Mike Eisler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: The Anaheim Mice and the Miami vICE may be in!
Date: 15 Dec 1992 19:04:44 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: teal

In article <allan.724371881@st-lina> allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:
>If I lived in Hamilton, I would feel insulted... What you would be
>telling me is "You can't have a team... You have to make a 2 hour trip
>to watch NHL hockey. So there..."

The lack of a major TV contract means that teams depend primarily on
ticket revenues for survival. Unless that changes, teams (some of which
are north of border) that are struggling with attendance or requiring
bigger buildings are going to look to an untapped source of ticket
buyers: Hamilton.

If I lived in Hamilton, I'd be over-joyed at the prospect of two more
expansion clubs in difficult (albeit not insurmountable) markets. Miami
and Anaheim merely increase the odds of some team failing.

While Gerald O. has correctly pointed out that Hamilton will require at
least $100M to start a new club, the NHL has learned from the lessons
of the Seals and the Rockies: don't attempt a bandaid fix by moving a
troubled team from one dubious market to another. Thus when the Flames
had problems, the NHL welcomed Skalbania and Calgary.

Of course, if the NHL lands a major TV contract, all bets are off,
since attendence won't be as crucial to success. But that isn't going
to happen as long as people are hung up on the "violence in hockey"
issue. That issue is not likely to be solved before Hamilton gets its
team.

	-Mike Eisler
	mre@Eng.Sun.Com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: sali@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Sayf Ali)
Subject: NHL Stats
Keywords: Where can I get
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:13:50 GMT

I need to get team and player stats on at least a weekly basis.
Is there anywhere I can get them in a data format (for database
input). Please e-mail if you know an ftp site and which directory
it's located in.

Thanx 

ps. I wouldn't mind obtaining NFL stats as well.