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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: Strong female leads (was Female CO for the E)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:15:35 GMT

In article <1h757uINNapd@transfer.stratus.com> det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:
>>>Remember "Remington Steele?"
>>Still, just one show against many, many others.
>This is really off topic for this group, but ok.  What about Mariel
>Hemingway in Civil Wars, or Sharon Gless and Tyne Daly in Cagney and
>Lacy?  Linda Hamilton was no wimp in Beauty and the Beast, either,

	Mariel, ok, Linda Hamilton less so.....CAGNEY AND LACEY, however, are a
real good example. I'd like to see Sharon Gless as a Captain--attractive, yet
able to develop a command style; mature, yet vulnerable with clearly some
back stories to tell. Say, from a newer member of the Federation, where
the society is somewhat male sexist, yet allows superior females to rise in
society. She'd have a chip on her shoulder that she'd gradually try to get
rid of; also, it'd be interesting to see her relations with Riker, Crusher
and Troi.

	Another person I thought who'd be fun would be Bonnie Bartlett
(from ST. ELSEWHERE). Of course, her husband (William Daniels) would be
fun, too....("Straighten up there, Riker!").




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From: cq377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David C. Williss)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Tech Manuals
Date: 29 Dec 92 04:52:09 GMT
Reply-To: cq377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David C. Williss)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, dunae@mala.bc.ca () says:

>
>---------------------------Original-Message----------------------------
>
>	I just got the Star Trek: The Next Generation tech manual
>and was wondering.   Is they're a tech manual for the original
>series, how about Deep Space Nine?   If so, do you know where?
>
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Let me guess -- Christmas present?  I got one too.  There is one
called something like "Scotty's Guide to the Enterprise", which
I think is mostly about the NCC-1701A Enterprise.  I havn't seen
anything about DSN books yet.  Other books that I've leafed
though at book stores but never bought include one about every
known race in the galaxy, and a English-Klingon dictionary.



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From: abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Where was Ro in Chain of Command?
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:31:32 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

In <1992Dec29.110242.1@sep.vitro.com> hef@vitro.com writes:

>Does anyone out there know if
>Michelle Forbes was unavailable while the episodes were being filmed or
>if TPTB simply did not write her into the story?

She was probably with O'Brian (which explains the reason there was so much
shuttlecraft action) preparing for Deep Space 9.

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Alan Bick
From: wolfson@regatta.sps.mot.com (Stephen Wolfson)
Subject: Re: A must to see (hear)
Organization: SPS
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:47:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.184926.17074@cbfsb.cb.att.com> tke@shep.att.com (Too  
ashamed to say) writes:
> Actually, the original five-year mission of the Enterprise was (in part)  
to find
> interstellar restrooms and supply the first earthling users to them...  
to boldly
> go where no man has gone before.

Of course that brings to mind the old joke:
Why don't Klingon starships have bathrooms?
	Makes 'em meaner....
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From: an92@anon.penet.fi
Subject: `Cheers woman
Organization: Anonymous contact service
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:57:45 GMT

Sacha Netters!

My friend and I were watching STIII:TVH the other night and noticed that 
the woman who played Savick looked very similar to that woman from 
Cheers, was it just us or is this the same woman?  Or arewe we spending 
too much time in front of the ol' boob tube?  :-)  ;)


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From: erlermf@cnsvax.uwec.edu
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Subject: Troi in "Chain of command"
Date: 21 Dec 92 12:27:33 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

The producers should put Troi in a regulation uniform more often.  She looks a
hell of a lot better in it than in that purple thing.  No more butt either!
From: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Uniform Colors in TNG
Date: 2 Jan 93 14:58:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 

On 31 Dec 92 18:21:44 GMT, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) wrote:

MR>>Data is *not* the (or even A) science officer.  This has been stated
MR>>repeatedly by Rick Berman and Brent Spiner at cons.

MR>Of course, one must keep in mind that their words are meaningless until
MR>concretely manifested on the screen...

"Meaningless" might be too strong a word, but even so, that sets things
aright, as Data has never been directly referred to as the science officer
on the show.

MR>...nonetheless, it does appear that you are right, even though Data often ACT
MR>in the capacity of "science officer" as Spock did (leading to some confusion
MR>about his actual station, as you can see!).

Yes, very easily.  I used to think so myself.

MR>On the other hand, it would be
MR>pretty easy for someone to have a change of heart and write a bit which
MR>reveals that, yes, he has been the science officer all along...

I could do it, but it would involve some fairly hairy explaining as to why
Data went over five years without being called the science officer.  (I
even wrote an outline of a TNG story, which never made it past first base,
where the Enterprise has all its science personnel shuffled - at last -
under the aegis of a new chief science officer position, filled by a new
officer whom no one likes.)

MR>>What IS a "hard science"?  Maddox, a cyberneticist, wore blue in
MR>>"The Measure of a Man".  Ensign Janeway, a physicist, wore blue in
MR>>"Schisms".

MR>Well, once Data isn't in the "science" category, then we can lump ALL the
MR>sciences under the blue uniforms, and draw a sharper distinction between
MR>sciences and engineering.  Case closed?

That was my point!  :)


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From: bau55536@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Larry Combs Jr)
Subject: Re: DS9 on Superstation WGN channel 9 Chicago
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 03:11:02 GMT

DS9 is scheduled to be shown on Sunday Jan. 3 at 7pm.  Whether or not
it will come over the cable feed is another story.
  
From: gvg@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Greg Goebel)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 17:10:34 GMT
Subject: End of TNG Series?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current

It's been a long time since I've been on any trek groups, so I may be
missing some common knowledge ... a pal passed back a rumor that CHAIN OF
COMMAND was the end of the TNG series.

Confirm or deny?  Any info on prospects for a season of TNG next year?

Or just the same old BS rumors?  


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From: rob@tlon.mit.edu (Rob Sanner)
Subject: CoCII and _Closet Land_
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:08:34 GMT


Those who really enjoyed the Warner/Stewart confrontation
aspect of CoCII might also enjoy the movie _Closet Land_
with Alan Rickman and Madeline Stowe--just the two of them
locked for two hours in a similar, but more intensely
horrifying, test of wills and physical endurance.

rob
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: David Warner on "Chain of Command"
Date: 29 Dec 92 04:49:37 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Dec28.103028.21884@hemlock.cray.com> kak1@birch02.cray.com (Kevin Kramer) writes:
<
<I am nit sure, but is this the same guy that was on Tron?  (playing the meanie)
<I thought that I could recognise him, and the voice sounded the same, but I 
<just couldn't quite tell.

Yep.
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data Watch
Date: 27 Dec 92 17:51:40 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Dec26.210829.1154@mala.bc.ca> dunae@mala.bc.ca writes:
<In Chain of Command part II, Data was wearing a red uniform.
<He was also in Riker's chair on the bridge.   How come Dr.
<Crusher, Data, Geordi, or Dianna never sit in the command chair?
<They're all the same rank as Riker.   And they also take orders
<from him, maybe it's because of his uniform colour, or maybe
<because he's Picard's right hand man?

Crusher and Troi are not line officers and can never hold such a position.
Data out-ranks Geordi.
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From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Date: 25 Dec 1992 06:30:03 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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In article <1992Dec25.052542.28348@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood) writes:
|Christopher Boerma (cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu ) writes:
|> msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood) writes:

|I don't care if you agree with my plan, but "we" need to decide
|something NOW. If you have a better idea, post it. If you can't
|do that, then at least keep up with the ideas. (A plan will
|PROBABLY be put to a vote SOON).

I argued that we should put the current show of TNG in a seperate
newsgroup. I would suggest this to be the case for both B5 and DS9.

The reason why  the current show of a single series should be in it's
own newsgroup is that you only have 7 days to read and respond to the
mail. Reruns of other shows or even movies can be read at nearly any
time and posting and reading time does not have to be constrained by 
new shows comming up every week.
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Re: Uniform Colors in TNG
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:16:25 GMT

In <9534.406.uupcb@the-matrix.com> scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield)  writes:
>3. For simplicity's sake, I usually list gold as simply "Operations".  That
>includes all the uses we've seen of it:  Bridge Ops, Security, Transporter,
>Tactical, Engineering, and even Linguistics ("The Loss").

Another term for this (which I think the Classic Trek technical manual used)
was "Ship's Services".

-- 
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( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Cardasians
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 09:58:51 GMT

Due to the inconvenient time that TNG is broadcast locally, I have missed
quite a few episodes this season and last. Could someone tell me about the
Cardasians (sp?) and what they did in the stories they have been in? Story
titles aren't necessary. I'm trying to watch Chain of Command II but missed
part 1. I think there is another story dealing with them, but I'm pretty
lost. I don't know if dependence on earlier stories is such a good idea 8-).
As you can guess, I don't read r.a.s.* (other than info) regularly (otherwise
I would have read the discussion on the stories). Please, please use e-mail.
No need for long summaries either. Thanks if you helped.

Tom
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data Watch
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:36:56 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Dec29.222525.24883@sx.mont.nec.com> ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan) writes:

>You know what else? If memory serves, almost every security officer
>I've seen on TNG has worn red. Since Worf is head of security, shouldn't 
>he also be wearing red?

In this case, I don't think your memory serves you well.

Tasha Yar wore gold.  Every TNG security officer I remember wore gold.
From: lape@cs.utk.edu (Bryon S. Lape)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Uniforms and their colors
Date: 30 Dec 1992 19:49:42 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department
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	In the Army, signal (communications) is orange.


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From: Chris.Graham@f344.n632.z3.fidonet.org (Chris Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: 'Batman" meets 'Trek'
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 11:12:40

To: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
 k> Organization: Thinkage Ltd.

 k> In article <78624@hydra.gatech.EDU> 
 k> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.105458.1392@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> 
>bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>
>>WHAT?!? Are you joking? No, he [Khan] was a human from 
>>the late 20th cent...
>BTW, it's almost 1993.  How much longer do we have before the war starts?
>(the one that Khan was in)?

 k> the UUgenics war ?
 k> we want our bio-entities 8bit clean!

1996 is the year that is supposed to start.

-Chris


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From: twm3@world.std.com (Thomas W Moore)
Subject: Re: DS9 in boston area?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 19:26:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.081550.748@proponent.com> Monty Solomon <roscom!monty@think.com> writes:
>In article <lis.724198287@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu  
>(Elisabeth Riba) writes:
>> Last year, when channel 56 ran their Star Trek marathon, they
>> advertised that they'd be carrying DS9 when it started in January.

Okay, let me see if I can add to the confusion.  Just got done watching
Chain of Command and channel five was saying that they would be carrying
DS9 as of some time in January.  Somehow I think they would be carrying
DS9 rather than 56 due:  1) they are already carrying TNG;  and 2) they
probably have more $ to bid for DS9.

~Tom

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From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Strong female leads (was Female CO for the E)
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:29:34 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <1992Dec21.233230.15001@u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
>In article <ewright.724974814@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>>In <1992Dec18.165041.7682@u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
>>>An original show with a strong female lead will find it tough going, 
>>Remember "Remington Steele?"
>Still, just one show against many, many others.

This is really off topic for this group, but ok.  What about Mariel
Hemingway in Civil Wars, or Sharon Gless and Tyne Daly in Cagney and
Lacy?  Linda Hamilton was no wimp in Beauty and the Beast, either,
and her successor was even stronger.  The various prime time soaps
also had powerful women in key roles.  Going back further, Barbara
Stanwyck in The Big Valley had clearly the strongest role.  I agree
that there are not *enough* strong female leads, but the situation
is gradually improving.  Maybe one of the best indicators is that
these shows don't immediately spring to mind, perhaps this means
more of the population is seeing these roles without it leaping
out at them and saying. "Oh my, a show with a woman with strength!"


        

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From: atems@igor.physics.wayne.edu (Dale Atems)
Subject: Re: Le Pont d'Avignon (was: Picards french lines)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit, MI
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 22:20:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.214752.24488@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> tobis@skool.ssec.wisc.edu (Michael Tobis) writes:
>As a child in English Montreal, I was definitely taught  
>    Sur le pont d'Avignon   
>    L'on y danse, l'on y danse   
>with the Ls. They may have dropped the Ls as gramatically incorrect
>in teaching the song to non-French speaking kids nowadays, but I
>suspect that the Ls are the traditional form.

I learned it with the L's too (in the U.S.).

A possible reason for the L's is that the final e in danse is not
silent (because this is verse) and the next word (on) begins with a
vowel. While I don't know of any other case where a spurious consonant
is introduced, remember that one pronounces the final t of "comment"
in "Comment allez-vous?" but not in "Comment vas-tu?"

Or maybe they were considered grammatically correct at one time?

I wish there was a French language newsgroup to redirect this thread
to, but I can't find one in my .newsrc.  Sorry.

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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: data watch
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:31:09 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <ewright.725650580@convex.convex.com>, ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
> In <1992Dec28.172557.541@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
> 
>>(sigh)
>>Right.  Ranks and positions one more time, as there is an error in
>>the above text, although it is nice of Jason to try.  
> 
>>OPERATIONS MANAGER/SCIENCE OFFICER/SECOND OFFICER: Lt. Cmdr. Data. 2.5 pips.
>>			Yellow. :) Operations Division.
> 
> (sigh)
> Nice of you to try also, but there is still an error.
> 
> Data is not and never has been Science Officer.  He has never
> been called Science Officer on the show, does not wear a blue
> science uniform (as Spock did), and the Writer's Guide states
> that he is *not* Science Officer.
> 
> In my opinion, he should be, but he's not.
> 
> 

Whether the Writer's Guide says he is or not, there is evidence to say
that perhaps he is, and I admit it isn't strong, but I threw that in anyway
because it's still up in the air.

I say this because we have several times heard Data keep a "Second Officer's
Science Log" suggesting he has special duties in the Science areas,
and also based on a line in "Conspiracy" where Riker tells the Admiral he'll
summon his science officer to examine the new life form the Admiral has
brought on board.  The Admiral says it won't like the science officer,
which I take to mean Data and that it won't like him because he's an android.
I think this more likely than the "he means it for Riker so it won't like
anyone else at all" counter-argument since we later learn in the same
episode that this particular parasite was meant for Dr. Crusher, not  Riker.

Steven.K.Manfred


> 
>
From: skeeter@skatter.usask.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Date: 22 Dec 1992 19:05:11 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
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From article <1992Dec21.174735.22583@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, by W.O. Khan <Charles_Laine@CCIS.BAYLOR.EDU>:
> DS9 makes more sense to me.  
> 
> Mystery Science Theater 3000 is not abreviated MSTTK, it is MST3K.

Shouldn't that be "MSTTT"? 

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