From: malcolmc@spider.co.uk (Malcolm Campbell)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Empathic question
Date: 4 Sep 92 10:55:50 GMT
	<1992Sep2.121257.5400@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK

In article <1992Sep2.121257.5400@samba.oit.unc.edu> eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett) writes:

(in response to)
>>If two people--probably lovers--were to develop a loose, informal empathic
>>link (assuming this is possible), and then get into a serious
>>arguement, would one of the two--the more trained one--be able to
>>attack the other psychically, unaware of it, and cause serious, if
>>temporary, damage? 

> Meaning no disrepect to present company, in the circles (squares, pentagrams)
> in which I generally travel, this is frequently referred to as "adolescent
> witch syndrome", substitute your favorite synonyms, please.

Although I know what Eddie means, I think this is a somewhat sweeping
answer. I dont think you can write off this question with a reference to
'adolescent witch syndrome', or 'I was bitten by an empathic vampire
syndrome' in all cases.

It _is_ possible for a naturally talented empath to attack without
realising it, on a subconscious level. The more training someone has,
the less likely they are to do this, or the more likely they are to
notice they are doing it. I wouldnt describe the results as serious
harm, but certainly projection of negative emotion can be unpleasant.

Even the most trained empath can do this, if they are overwhelmed with
emotion...

   3) Untrained empaths can do very little except in company which is equally 
   clueless.  Trained empaths can't do Anything against someone who is equally 
   trained.

Again, there are people who ive met who could walk right though my
subconsious shielding - which can be 'painful' - but as Eddie pointed
out, conscious shielding techniques are much more powerful, and Ive yet
to find an experience that could get through when I was consciously
shielding.

I dont think you can be unaware you are doing this after its pointed
out, or even for more than a few moments..

A true empath who is 'linked' to someone will feel the feedback from a
projection like this, and know what they are doing very quickly.. And
the 'attacker' can shield too, which also breaks the 'link'..

   The mere accusation of "empathic attack" is as much as an emotional attack
   as I have normally encountered, and is nearly impossible for the accused to
   address adequately.  It's a witch hunt, an ad hominem attack, a low-down and
   petty and neurotic (at least) way to confront one's own problems and one's 
   own problems with a particular relationship. 

It can be.. It often is.. It isnt always.. 

But I'd probably agree with the 90% figure. In the cases where this isnt
the case, it can be resolved by shielding - consciously if need be.


On shielding techinques - I use several, but the one Id recommend as a
conscious shield for a novice is just to visualise yourself inside a
bubble, visualise a bubble around yourself, and will it to protect you
from anything harmful... For some reason purple bubbles seem to work
best.

--- Calum




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