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From: crisfern@cipres.cec.uchile.cl (FERNANDEZ TRONCOSO CRISTIAN)
Subject: Mas sobre el Cuarto Encuentro...
Originator: crisfern@araucaria
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:12:25 GMT
Distribution: chile
Organization: Centro de Computacion (CEC), Universidad de Chile


Saludos a todos :

	Primero que nada felicito a los organizadores del Tercer Encuentro y 
Primero Iberoamer....., que estuvo de gran nivel en cuanto a organizacion 
como a los invitados. 
	Segundo que nada, una comision de la Universidad de la Serena nos 
entreg'o un proyecto para el Cuarto Encuentro Nacional (Sumamente bueno).
	Supe via Vitoco que la Universidad de la Frontera tambien esta 
interesada en realizar el Encuentro, pero si no recibimos ninguna 
informacion sobre proyecto no podemos estudiar las posibilidades. Hasta 
ahora, la propuesta de la Serena es muy buena, asi es que le estariamos 
dando nuestro apoyo a ellos (por el momento).
	Tambien supe que se recibio un proyecto de una Universidad 
Venezolana para organizar el segundo Encuentro Iberoamericano, pero si no 
nos juntamos en Valdivia para ver el Proyecto
		Donde y cuando lo haremos ??

	Tenemos que organizar una reunion para ver los proyectos 
presentados y decidir el lugar del proximo Encuentro (Nacional e 
Iberoamericano).  Ojala reciba una respuesta dentro de estos dias.
	A los representantes de las universidades se les entreg'o una lista 
con todos los nombres, telefonos, fax y demases de cada universidad presente 
en el Tercer Encuentro, por eso mismo podriamos comunicarnos m'as para saber 
lo que se esta haciendo con respecto a los Encuentros de Estudiantes. Para 
el que lea esto ojala avise a sus representantes para ponerlos al tanto, y 
si no seguiremos escribiendo sin llegar a ninguna parte.              
		Se despide con un saludo a todos para estas fiestas de fin 
de an~o...                                 

		Cristian Fernandez T.
	e-mail crisfern@cipres.cec.uchile.cl                              
        Centro de Estudiantes de Ingenier'ia
Newsgroups: chile.consultas
From: mmedina@halcon.dpi.udec.cl (Mario Medina C.)
Subject: Re: hola
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 16:30:45 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Concepcion, Concepcion - Chile
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

lgonzale@halcon.dpi.udec.cl wrote:
>Manuel Narvaez T. (mnarvaez@halcon.dpi.udec.cl) wrote:
>>Para que es este grupo..?
>>
>
>	Consultas de toda clase, no incluidas en los otros grupos
>chilenos.
>
>--
>Leopoldo Gonzalez R.            /  "The light that burns twice as bright burns
>Division de Informatica         /   half as long...and you have burned so very
>Universidad de Concepcion       /   very brightly indeed, Roy."
>lgonzale@halcon.dpi.udec.cl     /     Dr E. Tyrell  ---  Bladerunner movie.

	En que se diferencia de chile.varios?
--
Mario R. Medina Carrasco                              mmedina@renoir.die.udec.cl
Depto. Ing.Electrica                                  mmedina@halcon.dpi.udec.cl
Univ. de Concepcion
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 \                   - "I know you, you used to be big"                       /
  \            - "I am big, it's the pictures that got smaller"              /
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Newsgroups: chile.consultas
From: erodrigu@dcc.uchile.cl (Eduardo Rodriguez)
Subject: Re: hola
Originator: erodrigu@tolten
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:16:15 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion


In article <Dec22.163045.46363@halcon.dpi.udec.cl>, mmedina@halcon.dpi.udec.cl (Mario Medina C.) writes:
> 
> 	En que se diferencia de chile.varios?

En el: 'varios' (que es distinto de 'consultas').

Basicamente, en chile.varios no era muy claro el topico,
mas bien es demasiado extenso. Por cierto que podias
hacer consultas, pero no solo eso, tambien podias publicar
casi 'cualquier cosa' (?).

edo...
Newsgroups: chile.consultas
From: jescando@halcon.dpi.udec.cl (Jesus Escandon A.)
Subject: Re: Biblioteca Nacional
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 17:55:08 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Concepcion, Concepcion - Chile
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]


Me sumo a la inquietud..  Hay muchos memoristas que estan interesados
en acceder a la base de la Biblioteca Nacional... Ojala tambien para
la del Congreso...


			Ayudennos please!!


					Julio

Newsgroups: chile.consultas
From: lgonzale@halcon.dpi.udec.cl ()
Subject: Re: hola
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 13:35:11 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Concepcion, Concepcion - Chile
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Manuel Narvaez T. (mnarvaez@halcon.dpi.udec.cl) wrote:
>Para que es este grupo..?
>

	Consultas de toda clase, no incluidas en los otros grupos
chilenos.

--
Leopoldo Gonzalez R.            /  "The light that burns twice as bright burns
Division de Informatica         /   half as long...and you have burned so very
Universidad de Concepcion       /   very brightly indeed, Roy."
lgonzale@halcon.dpi.udec.cl     /     Dr E. Tyrell  ---  Bladerunner movie.
Newsgroups: chile.consultas
From: mnarvaez@halcon.dpi.udec.cl (Manuel Narvaez T.)
Subject: hola
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 13:28:06 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Concepcion, Concepcion - Chile
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Para que es este grupo..?


=   =  ====   =====   ===      ================================================
=   =  =   =  =      =   =        Manuel E. Narvaez T.
=   =  =   =  ===    =            mnarvaez@halcon.dpi.udec.cl
=   =  =   =  =      =   =        mnt@cisne.soft.udec.cl                 
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Newsgroups: chile.consultas
From: erodrigu@dcc.uchile.cl (Eduardo Rodriguez)
Subject: Re: Biblioteca Nacional
Originator: erodrigu@tolten
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:59:27 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion


In article <Dec22.175508.32924@halcon.dpi.udec.cl>, jescando@halcon.dpi.udec.cl (Jesus Escandon A.) writes:
> 
> Me sumo a la inquietud..  Hay muchos memoristas que estan interesados
> en acceder a la base de la Biblioteca Nacional... Ojala tambien para
> la del Congreso...

La de Biblioteca Nacional se puede acceder de la sgte manera:

Primero que nada debes emular una pantalla 3270 (argh!), para
eso lo mas comun es usar el tn3270, luego hacer un telnet a
uchcecvm.cec.uchile.cl

% tn3270 uchcecvm

Luego dar un par de ENTER's para sacar la pantalla de entrada, y pedir:

DIAL VTAM <nnn>

Donde <nnn> puede ser 119 o 116

En el menu escoges:

RENIB

Luego de conectado, indicas 

REDN

E ingresas al modo de consulta habitual con un buen help
que te explica la manera de consultar.

Ahora viene lo IMPORTANTE: para salir de preferencia NO
aborten la sesion, porque dejan la 'linea' (no se si se
llama asi) tomada, y eso perjudica al sgte que trata de
entrar hasta que los timeout correspondientes quiebran
la conexion.

Para salir se debe retroceder hasta la primera pantalla
de consulta y ejecutar:

CSSF LOGOFF

Con eso uno vuelve al menu del VTAM del que puede salir
con:

UNDIAL

edo...

 ////  Fortuna mia la de             ```\  .     Eduardo Rodriguez     .
 c-OO  concurrir aqui, por           OO-c   .  erodrigu@dcc.uchile.cl   .
    \  virtud de la palabra.         /     . Dpto Cs de la Computacion .
   -                         *bow*    -     .   Universidad de Chile    .
Newsgroups: chile.consultas
From: ifarias@araucaria.cec.uchile.cl (FARIAS VALDEBENITO IVAN)
Subject: Biblioteca Nacional
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:11:03 GMT
Organization: Centro de Computacion (CEC), Universidad de Chile
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

HI:
   Hay forma de hacer un telnet a la Biblioteca Nacional ??
   atte

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Newsgroups: chile.compraventas
From: Emilio Eduardo Filippi <efilippi@lascar.puc.cl>
Subject: Atencion Luis Hernan de la Barra
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A768CD2F23011E6E@filippi.puc.cl>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 31 Dec 92 20:15:43 GMT
Organization: Privado
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:18:15 GMT

Luis Hernan, recibi tu e-mail pero mis reply las devuelve el mail
delivery system. Si sigues interesado en los software (QuattroPro y WP),
por favor mandame un mail con tu telefono. OK??

Emilio Eduardo Filippi
efilippi@lascar.puc.cl
tel of. 2252255-2048257-2048264
Newsgroups: chile.compraventas
From: Emilio Eduardo Filippi <efilippi@lascar.puc.cl>
Subject: regalo software!!
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A75C27C1AE011E6E@filippi.puc.cl>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 22 Dec 92 06:02:41 GMT
Organization: Privado
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:04:58 GMT

Para liquidar esto de una vez, vendo (es un regalo) dos paquetes de
software original absolutamente virgenes. Un Quattro Pro Win-Dos 4.0 y un
WordPerfect Office por la modia suma de $65.000. Es un regalo de Navidad
y apurense los interesados antes de que me arrepienta.!!

Emilio Eduardo Filippi
efilippi@lascar.puc.cl
Newsgroups: chile.compraventas
From: crsalina@araucaria.cec.uchile.cl (SALINAS VALENZUELA CRISTIAN ANDRES)
Subject: Vendo juegos para MSX2
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:47:43 GMT
Organization: Centro de Computacion (CEC), Universidad de Chile
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]





Vendo los mejores juegos para MSX2 (Talent turbo) a precios realmente
convenientes.

Algunos juegos son :
					Zanac Plus , Zanac Ex (nuevo en Chile) , Hipe ,

					Nemesis , Chess 3D , Warrior , King Valley ,

					Soccer , Road Figther , Cosmo Explorer , Raid on ,

					Tenis , Golf , Vampire Killer (exclusivo , uno de

					los mejores juegos) , etc



Ademas tengo dBase II y Video Graphics 54

Si te interesa envia mail a crsalina@arucaria.cec.uchile.cl



Newsgroups: chile.compraventas,chile.comp.pc,chile.comp.mac
From: pmason@chasqui.mic.cl (Patricio Mason)
Subject: OFERTAS VARIAS
Originator: pmason@chasqui.mic.cl
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:20:04 GMT
Organization: International Communication Solutions


Tengo a la venta

1.  Un disco duro interno para Macintosh de 40 MB, uso minimo, impecable,
Apple de fabrica, con los conectores DC y SCSI necesarios para enchufarlo
en un instante a cualquier Mac.  $200.000 (un regalo) y para que los
interesados se entusiasmen, lo vendo instalado y con Sistema 7.1
funcionando.


2.  Un protector de teclado para PS/2 de polimero, no disponible en Chile. 
Se ajusta y se siente como un guante quirurgico y es totalmente
transparente.  $10.000.


3. Un teclado marca y calidad IBM, para PS/2, cero kilometro.  $50.000
(Cuesta $65.000).

Tanti saluti,

Pato

Newsgroups: chile.compraventas
From: Emilio Eduardo Filippi <efilippi@lascar.puc.cl>
Subject: Mountain Bike
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A761E57DA9011E6E@filippi.puc.cl>
X-Xxdate: Sat, 26 Dec 92 14:33:33 GMT
Organization: Privado
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 13:35:54 GMT

Vendo una mountain bike marca Lahsen muy poco uso. $55.000

Emilio Eduardo Filippi
efilippi@lascar.puc.cl
Newsgroups: chile.compraventas
From: cbarrios@tolten.puc.cl (Carlos Barrios SCC)
Subject: Regalo OS/2 v. 2.013
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:42:59 GMT

 Hola estoy vendiendo un software que me acba de llegar de regalo de
EEUU , es el IBM OS/2 version 2.013 en espanol... para los verdaderos
interesados mandenme un mail a cbarrios@tolten.puc.cl.

  Acepto Ofertas...

  Adios!.


Newsgroups: chile.comp.mac
From: ifarias@araucaria.cec.uchile.cl (FARIAS VALDEBENITO IVAN)
Subject: Programa Comunicacion
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:40:14 GMT
Organization: Centro de Computacion (CEC), Universidad de Chile
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Hi
  Alguien tiene por ahi un programa de comunicacion que funcione en 
  un mac de 512k ????
  Agradeceria cualquier informacion.....
  atte

  ps: Se podrian comunicar con Ignacio Poblete que lo necesita al
  2201382....

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From: chris.lincoln@travel.com (Chris Lincoln) 
Newsgroups: stl.general
Subject: LINUX anywhere?
Date: 31 Dec 92 07:38:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: chris.lincoln@travel.com (Chris Lincoln) 


  Does anyone know of a St. Louis metro area BBS that has the 
  SLS series for LINUX?

  Thanks,
  Chris Lincoln
---
 . SLMR 2.0 . 
                                                                                                                          
From: Chelsea.Carlstedt@f3.n8012.z86.cheswicks.toadnet.org (Chelsea Carlstedt)
Sender: fredmail@cheswicks.toadnet.org
Newsgroups: stl.jobs
Subject: Help Wanted!
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 01:48:00

I am looking for a commission based sales person for advertising sales of a
local computer-related newspaper.

Please send your resume in confidence to:

Publisher
234 Couch Ave
St. Louis, MO 63122
From: trifid@agora.rain.com (Roadster Racewerks)
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
Subject: Re: What is this group for?
Date: 1 Jan 93 11:59:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.C06BzC.970
Organization: Open Communications Forum



Actually even you, Francois, cannot be entirely sure you have no nobility in
the family tree, from "the wrong side of the blanket". Given the old practice
of droit de signeur (sp?) and the fact that everybody was probably a "peasant"
once upon a time... There are no guarantees unless you own a time machine.

(And if you do, I want a ride!  :-)

Suze

ps, 
And have a pleasant new year...
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
From: tsahib@vipunen.hut.fi (Tero Juhani Heikkinen)
Subject: Baltic states (was Re: But Solvieg,)
Reply-To: tsahib@vipunen.hut.fi (Tero Juhani Heikkinen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 14:48:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.130646.4721@nntp.hut.fi> c34657b@saha.hut.fi (Tuomas Viljanen) writes:

>Certainly. What are the blazons of the arms of the newborn Balkan countries ?
>The Baltic arms are, I'd think:
>
>Estonia: Or, seme de hearts Or, three leopards Azure

That's Or, three lions passant guardant in pale azure. Only Denmark has the
hearts. And btw, the term 'leopard' is probably just a French Taunt(tm) and
therefore only applicable to the arms of England.

>Latvia: Parti per fess; chief Azure, a rising sun Or: base parti per pale
>        dexter Argent, lion rampant sinister Gules, sinister Gules, a griffin
>        rampant Argent
>Lithuania: Gules, a vytis (riding armored knight on a black horse) proper,
>           on a shield Azure a double cross Argent

tsahib.


-- 
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"Well, I'm an accountant, and consequently too boring to be of interest."
From: c34657b@saha.hut.fi (Tuomas Viljanen)
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
Subject: Attention Kay Schlumpf !
Keywords: von Bieberstein arms
Date: 1 Jan 93 22:49:57 GMT
Organization: The Nibelungenlied Incorporated

In the case my elm message did not get through, here is the stuff it
should have been included:

C. A. von Volborth's tome "Heraldry" tells this under Untitled German Nobility:

- von Bieberstein

"Ancient noble family, originating from Bohemia. In Poland 12th century,
 in Prussia 14th. Arms: Parti per pale; dexter Or, a deer antler Gules;
 sinister Azure, an ox horn Argent".

I hope these are the correct arms: the originating area seems to be
vaguely correct.




--++ Tuomas Viljanen                     ++ For a battle like Crecy, you do ++
  ++ Lahderanta 20 A 19                  ++ not need a military genius like ++
  ++ SF-02720 Espoo FINLAND              ++ Edward III. All you need is an  ++
  ++ 358-0-592175 or c34657b@saha.hut.fi ++ idiot like Duke of Alencon.     ++
From: ojs@cougar.fluxor.com
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
Subject: novice
Date: 31 Dec 1992 07:57:41 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

How do I learn more?  In my town we only
have WaldenBooks.

Thank you, Otis.
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
From: vnend@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (D. W. James)
Subject: Re: What is this group for?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:30:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.155739.27343@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> bnostran@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Solveig Throndardottir) writes:
)Nobles!

	Very few of reading this group I bet.
 
)It seems to me that while there is a general lack of discussion in this
)group that there is a lot of discussion of heraldic matters which have
)general interest in rec.org.sca and the CoA mailing list.  I still think
)that these discussions belong in this forum.  I see no advantage to
)distributing heraldic discussions in rec.org.sca as they will then be
)disseminated to exactly the same sites as rec.heraldry.

	This group is for discussion of Heraldry and related matters.
SCA heraldry is only a very small subset of that subject, and one of only
limited interest, I suspect, to the majority of the readers of this
group (it is also of interest to only a very limited set of readers of 
rec.org.sca, but that is another story...)

	There is not, as far as I know, a CoA mailing list in electronic
form.  There is a mailing list for discussion among SCA heralds, but
that is *not* the same thing.  SCAHRLDS has no official status with
either the SCA or with its College of Arms.  It is a tool, like an
armorial.

	If SCA-specific heraldic discussion has any place on USENET, it 
would be rec.org.sca.  If it becomes non-SCA specific (and the discussion
you are refering to is not) then it might belong here.


-- 
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From: trifid@agora.rain.com (Roadster Racewerks)
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
Subject: Re: What is this group for?
Date: 1 Jan 93 11:47:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.C06BEz.928
Organization: Open Communications Forum



It alsio says a great deal about the fecundity of minor European nobility of
times past...  ;->

These folks really believed in having plenty of descendents, just in case of
Plague or war or infant motrtality, and they seem to have had a heck of a lot
of progeny several times removed from the main stem, by the time the US was
invented/discovered...

Suze
From: Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
Subject: What is this group for? 
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 23:23:36

 PA> It is still, however, a vigorous branch of real-world heraldry and 
 PA> hence, IMO, an entirely appropriate topic for discussion here. I 
 PA> suspect it may be just as interesting as any other heraldic topic to 
 PA> readers (as long as we _do_ stick to heraldry).
     One of the reasons that SCA heralds were cautioned to keep SCA 
 stuff to a minimum, is that too much of our conversation is related to 
 our SCA-specific rules.  And also the SCA-internal people.....
    So, we could discuss SCA heraldry, just so long as we don't start 
 swamping this forum with any rules nit-picking..... Anybody who gets 
 the SCA-specific heraldry group knows what I'm talking about.....
     Beth/Gwenllian

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
From: boyko@skyfox
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
Subject: But Solvieg,
Date: 30 DEC 92 14:54:25 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: sask.usask.ca

    It is my understanding that this group is not just for heraldry
within the sca, but for heraldry in general. I would agree with
you if it were not my opinion that general questions regarding
the role of heraldry within the SCA are best suited for
rec.org.sca, in light of the sort of audience that is drawn to
rec.org.sca; that newsgroup provides the best "fit" for such
questions.
Layamon
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
From: bnostran@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Solveig Throndardottir)
Subject: What is this group for?
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:57:39 GMT

Nobles!

It seems to me that while there is a general lack of discussion in this
group that there is a lot of discussion of heraldic matters which have
general interest in rec.org.sca and the CoA mailing list.  I still think
that these discussions belong in this forum.  I see no advantage to
distributing heraldic discussions in rec.org.sca as they will then be
disseminated to exactly the same sites as rec.heraldry.

					Your Humble Servant
					Solveig Throndardottir
					Totally Ignorant
From: trifid@agora.rain.com (Roadster Racewerks)
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
Subject: Re: But Solvieg,
Date: 1 Jan 93 12:07:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.C06CCz.997
Organization: Open Communications Forum



It all depends upon what topic of heraldry the SCA is discussing. If it deals
entirely with SCA rules of blazon, and the inevitable lawyering that causes,
it does not belong here. If it deals with more general topics, such as whether
color-on-color was used more frequently than our college of arms currently
believes, it is probably useful to ask people outside the SCA for an opinion.

It might also be useful to discuss Tadhg's ideal of "south of the Trent, west
of the Rhine and north of.... (I forget, somewhere in southern France) and
between 1100 and 1400" as the true essence of "pure" heraldic style, here.

That might generate some interesting discussion from non-SCA students of
history.

(And that is about as far into things of interest to the SCA I would want to
go in this forum...)

Suze
Newsgroups: rec.heraldry
From: velde2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francois Velde)
Subject: Re: What is this group for?
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:00:49 GMT

In article <katherim.725753007@sfu.ca> katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason) writes:
>vnend@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (D. W. James) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Dec29.155739.27343@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> bnostran@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Solveig Throndardottir) writes:
>>)Nobles!
>
>>	Very few of reading this group I bet.
>
>This is an interesting question.  In my study of geneaology, I have found
>that everyone of European descent seems to be able to claim descent from
>a minor peer or at least a member of the gentry.  

Now that's a fascionating assertion. And how do you prove it???

I can offer a counter-example: myself. Admittedly, I have not traced all
of my ancestors to the Middle Ages; but for 25% of my ancestry I know for
sure that they were peasants, and only peasants, and peasants for centuries.
If we could go back that far, I am sure they were all serfs (and I have the
genealogy of their lords, since they all came from the same village).

THe nobility was something of a cast, and practised interbreeding (still 
does).  The current pretender to the throne of France theoretically has
8192 ancestors at the 13th generation back: in fact, he only has 546. He
descends from Louis IX (died 1270) in 10,000 ways.

>This does not necessarily
>mean that these people are nobles, but it does say something about the 
>kind of people who are generally attracted to heraldry and geneaology.

I have no illusion of being linked by blood to any kind of nobility, but I
am nevertheless fascinated by heraldry and genealogy.  In my experience,
non-nobles can be interested, and nobles can be uninterested, in these matters.

As general information, the population of France is roughly 55 millions. 
There are 4000 noble families, or about 70,000 nobles in France, 0.12% of 
the population.

-- 

	Francois Velde

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