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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Alabama v. Miami
Date: 5 Jan 93 06:21:48 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) wrote:
}
}That concludes todays meeting of BA.  Refreshments consisting of iced
}tea, craw-dads, and sugar-Cane stew are available at the back of the
}room.  Ya'll come back, now! :-)

Would that be sweetened or unsweetened iced tea?

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

   "Eenie weenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris )
Subject: Michigan's Bowl Record  (Was  Miami's Humiliation)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  6 Jan 1993 12:20 EDT  

Tony Travaglini writes....
>   >Oh this is rich. nebraska couldn't beat their meat let alone the
>   >Hurricanes. They are by far the worst damn bowl team I've ever seen.
> 
Alan Harder writes....
>Then you must not have seen Michigan play any bowl games during the
>last 15 years.  They have the sorriest excuse for a bowl record ever.

I am sick to death of this garbage!  Michigan has a damn good recent
bowl record.  Let me spell it out for you.

1992  WIN  Washington   Rose
1991  loss Washington   Rose
1990  WIN  Mississippi  Gator
1989  loss USC          Rose
1988  WIN  USC          Rose
1987  WIN  Alabama      Hall of Fame
1986  loss Arizona St.  Rose
1985  WIN  Nebraska     Fiesta

My memory about specifics gets a bit hazy after this but I think
Michigan was 2-3 during 1980-84, with wins over UCLA and Washington.

So Michigan has won:  4 of the last 6, 5 of 8 and 7 of 13 bowl games,
all against very good (often exceptional) teams.  Now I'm not saying
this is a fantastic record and that we should all bow three times in
the direction of Ann Arbor.  But it's a damn good showing that only
a handfull of schools can say they've bettered.  The general perception
that Michigan is a lousy bowl team is just flat wrong.  It's bad enough
that we have to put up with this stuff from the Michigan haters, but
now this guy who claims to be a Michigan fan is pulling it.  Do me a
favor, pal.  Go root for the greenies.
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From: rsykes@AFIT.AF.MIL
Subject: REQUEST:Miami Hurricanes team logo or pics
Organization: Air Force Institue of Technology, WPAFB OH
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:09:33 GMT

please post mail or tell of ftp site with team logos  thanks


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From: edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Edmondson)
Subject: Re: turning pro
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:39:30 GMT

jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) writes:

>With free agency, these poor guys can't make more than $2 million.

I thought that $2 million was the cap for the teams rookie salaries.
Am I mistaken?


>Why doesn't Robert Smith stay at Ohio St and take chemistry classes? What
>happened to his self-declared scholarly interests?

I guess I'm glad I'm not the only one who found this amusing.  It must
be that with "his self-declared scholarly" dedication to studying that
he just went ahead and finished up his degree early :-)

Rich Edmondson
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell)
Subject: Re: Miami strategy?
Reply-To: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:22:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.211053.9348@leland.Stanford.EDU>, daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan4.171325.12213@infonode.ingr.com> tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com   writes:
|> 
|> >	'cause the arrogant SOB's really thought Bama couldn't play with 
|> >	them.  The Miami fans even boo'd Gino.  I know, because I was sitting
|> >	in their section. (which turned out to be fun 'cause I gave them
|> >	HELL for 3-4 hours)  For as long as I live, I will never forget
|> >	Lamar "the fastest receiver in football"  Thomas being run down
|> >	from behind by one of "o.k." defensive backs.  Lamar looked like
|> >	a little kid in pee wee football compared to Bama's AWSOME "D".
|> 
|> Thomas lost the ball because he didn't bother to carry it with his
|> left hand, the hand closest to the sideline.  Had the ball been in his
|> left hand, even if Teague knocks it out, it probably goes out of bounds
|> and Miami has the ball deep in Alabama territory.  In other words,
|> Thomas blew this play because he didn't pay attention to the
|> fundamentals of the game.  

    Let's clarify one little thing here.  Again, 'cause it is so much fun.
Teague did not "knock" the ball out of Lamar Thomas' hands.  He took it, snatched
it away, ripped it from his grasp, however you want to say it.  It never had a
chance to go out of bounds because Teague never let it out of his hands.  Thomas
"blew the play" because he did not think any human was fast enough to catch him.
He says he didn't see Teague but the replay clearly shows him glancing back more
than once.  Besides, if he hadn't seen him, he would have already started
showboating into the endzone.  Now, seeing Teague take it from him while he was
doing that is the only way that play could have been any more enjoyable.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com  or  ...uunet!ingr!b11!mspe5!guy
"The Canes will be perfectly happy kicking the Tide's ass on New Year's Day" --J.
From: doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel)
Subject: Re: A PAC-10 fan in depression
Organization: Bell Communications Research
	<1993Jan2.170527.9361@schaefer.math.wisc.edu>
	<1i5dnbINNln8@mizar.usc.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: 4 Jan 93 09:13:25


In article <1i5dnbINNln8@mizar.usc.edu> pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger) writes:

> Alumni are upset that Smith has turned off a large number of
> potential stars.  Washington has more players from California
> than USC.  Know why?

I don't know.  Maybe it's because nobody has been struck by stray bullets
while on a recruiting trip to Washington.  Blame Larry Smith all you want,
but being located in the heart of south central Los Angeles (i.e. where the
riots originated) has to make it difficult to recruit people who didn't grow
up in that atmosphere.

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mike Doel				<doel@bae.bellcore.com>
444 Hoes Lane RRC 1B-209
Piscataway, NJ 08854

"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat
 and wrong." - H.L. Mencken
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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 13:02:19 GMT

In article <79191@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
wrote:

> However, I did see a bunch of amazingly brash pro-Miami woofing by
> the Semi-hole fans on the net, who live in awe of the Canes for
> obvious reasons, and from others.  Some examples:

[examples removed for brevity]

Beautiful double serving of crow in a classy manner. Will you be
serving that with tea?

James - or was it an attempt by 'Noles fans to cause the woof gods
        to strike down the 'canes?
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From: rcj@controls.ccd.harris.com (Robert C. Jordan)
Subject: D. Head, awaiting your public reply
Originator: rcj@rs2
Keywords: Time to be humble
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:46:15 GMT


Just waiting your public humiliation about the Sugar Bowl.

Roll Tide
National Champs!!!

That makes 12 in just 100 years of football, not to bad if I say so myself.

                                   
                                         ROLL TIDE ROLL
                                         
                                         Chuck Jordan

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From: tad@tad.b30.ingr.com (Tad W Stephens)
Subject: Jay Barker for Heisman (was: Sugar Bowl comments)
Reply-To: tad@tad.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:51:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.180211.9106@b11.b11.ingr.com>, jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Kilpatrick) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan4.231936.23927@dbsun.uucp>, harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> No, I would say your sample size of 1 game was representative of the
|> |> entire season.  Barker only played QB one year in high school, and he
|> |> played in an offense that mostly ran the ball.  Hopefully Stallings
|> |> will find a suitable replacement.  One of the new recruits appears to
|> |> have great QB potential.
|> |> 
|> Phil,
|> 
|>   You can't be trying to get rid of Barker!  He can't run, he can't throw, but
|> he's 17-0 as a starter; what more could you ask for?


Jeff,

Doesn't this automatically qualify Jay Barker as the 1993 Heisman Trophy winner?
After all, that was all the 1992 winner had...


Tad "reminds me of 1986" Stephens

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: hajel@engin.umich.edu (john hajel)
Subject: Re: More Bowl comments
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 13:39:35 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

>MOST EXCITING BOWL GAME:  Yeah, when it comes to the Rose Bowl, I'm 
>biased.  But how could any bowl game top this for excitement and
>drama?  Six lead changes, tradition, high powered offenses, big 
>plays on both sides, and a team that hungered for revenge and 
>respect vs. a team trying to put some recent problems off the field
>behind them.  This game had it all.  When all was said and done,
>Michigan won 38-31 in a game both teams fought the entire 60 minutes
>for.  Hats off to Washington for making the big plays on 3rd downs
>after Michigan's defense looked like they had Brunnel sacked, and
>also to Michigan's offensive line, who came up big in allowing Tyrone
>Wheatley the room he needed to kick it into high gear.  I can't 
>remember a bowl game like that which had me up and down so many times.
>What a great effort by both teams.  I'm just glad Michigan won.  Mo
>is now 2-1 in bowls since taking over for Bo (he lost a couple 
>subbing for Bo back when he was offensive coordinator).  
>

Check this for me.  Michigan won the Hall of Fame Bowl in '88(I
think) when Mo was subbing for Bo.  Remember that forth down pass
from Taylor/Brown(I don't remember which one) to Kolesar(sp?).
I good game and a victory over Alabama.


John Hajel
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Pl explain the Bama penalty in Sugar Bowl
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 13:22:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.214937.4395@b11.b11.ingr.com>, guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
(Guy D. McConnell) wrote:

> |> Do you people *really* think I was rooting for *Miami*?
> 
>     I hadn't thought about it but I did wonder why and Aggie went to the Sugar
> Bowl.

I had bidness to attend to in Nawlins the next day, and the SB is
much warmer and dryer (and truth-be-told, NICER) than the CB. I'm
also on a NYD bowl tour. 3 years, 3 different bowls.

James - next year...Citrus?
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:07:54 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett) wrote:
}
}So, if the NYD Orange Bowl move up the street a few miles to JRS, do you
}really think that the Big-8 champ will be at a neutral field?

No, I don't, and I've never said I did.  Miami would still be playing
on grass, still in the right time zone, and still in familiar
temperatures, and the Big Eight champ would still be playing 
on grass instead of turf, 2 time zones from home, and in much
warmer weather than normal.  

There is no perfect solution to this problem, and teams from
the Big Eight and Big Ten are probably stuck with it since
most folks aren't too keen on the idea of having bowl games
in blizzards.  However, to deny that Miami has an enormous
advantage playing at home and to equate the advantage Miami 
has at home to Alabama's minor advantage in the Sugar Bowl
is silly.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
   "My dad's a cotton-pickin', finger-lickin', chicken plucker,
               now what do you think about that?"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl Question
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:04:25 GMT

hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:

>(I R A Aggie) writes:
>>
>>> Say, if you all have good recipes for gator meat, send some of them
>>> down to Tallahassee.  Seems we have quite a bit of Gator meat on hand
>>> too!  :-)
>>
>>It's my understanding that the LSEAUX feauxlks serve a blackened Gator.
>>And you can get Gator-on-a-stick in Nawlins.

>Gator-on-a-stick.  True.  But what in Sam Hill is L.S.O.?

>--J.J.

Try  'Lose So Often' .       :-)

(Will the God of smileys tell me if :-) means 'its just a joke' ?)

Justin - still have a little crow left - Frederich
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Bowl Musings
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:07:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: what.. me.. organized?




BLOCKBUSTER BOWL (Penn State 3 Stanford	24)

Mismatch. Especially when the Stanford defense went on the field. 
George, Lynch and co. shut out PSU after the 1st drive. Some Stanford
miscues made the score closer than it should have been. Walsh did a 
great job tis season consiering that he had to work with the type
of atheletes Dennis Green liked to work with rather than his own
type. What was glaring was that a power-run blocking oriented offensive
line doesn't fit Walsh's plans. There was no Vardell for the line to 
make holes for. Stanford needs some speedier WRs, and a big RB.


FIESTA BOWL (Colorado 22 Syracuse 26)

Some bettors in Las Vegas had inside info that Berger 
was going to do the kicking, and that he was missing PATs in practise.
And sure enough, the kicking game came into play. The field was just 
deplorable, altough the players didn't seem to mind, considering that
both teams play on artificial surfaces.


ROSE BOWL (Washington 31 Michigan 38)

Best bowl game of the day. Started out like a typical WAC game. Mich
couldn't stop Wash's passing game, Wash couldn't stop Mich's running 
game. Produced the best comment of the day, "Michigan has a history of
playing on a short [97 yd] field in the Rose bowl."


SUGAR BOWL (Alabama 34 Miami 13)

Battle of the big boys. I am surprised at how daring Alabama was on defense.
They were constantly putting 11 men at the line, playing man-to-man 
everywhere against those speedy Miami receivers. Then they showed the size
disadvantage of Miami's front 7 against the running game between the tackles.

This game sort of showed that in this age of modern football with emphasis
on passing and complex defensive schemes, there is still a place for an
old-fashioned running team with a solid defense. How else can you explain 
the winning MNC with a QB who goes 2 of 8 for 18 yds in the biggest game of 
the season.


PEACH BOWL (North Carolina 21 Mississippi State	17)

One of the better coaching jobs of the Bowl games was done by the UNC coaches
at half-time. They made the correct adjustments, found the weakness in the 
MSU punting game, and exploited it to its full extent. Down 0-14 at halftime
might a be disheartening to the kids, but the coaches got them going in
the 2nd half. The game also had the best crowd of the Bowls (almost 50-50
fans' split) and was *noisy*.


_______________________________________________________
| Prashanth                    |                      |
| U. of California @ San Diego | prash@raman.ucsd.edu |
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: bmr@gonzo.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Bruce Reagan)
Subject: Re: bowls, etc
Reply-To: reagan@fedsrus.b15.ingr.com
Organization: unknown
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:31:03 GMT

In article <1i8ebjINNakq@crcnis1.unl.edu>, holliday@cse.unl.edu (david holliday) writes:
|> Aarrrgghhh. Must people still bring up that first Nebraska-Miami Orange
|> Bowl? :-) I believe the poll situation was Nebraska #1 (all season), Texas #2,
|> (all season), Auburn #3, and Miami #4. I remember Texas losing, but I
|> can't remember who beat them. I'm not too sure about Auburn, but I seem to
|> remember that there was some concern on Miami's part on whether or not they
|> would be #1 after their victory.
|> 
	Texas lost to Georgia in the Cotton Bowl.
	Auburn squeaked past Michigan 9-7 in the Sugar.  I think some Auburn fans
felt cheated that Miami jumped past them in the polls.  The Kickoff classic in
the following season featured Miami vs. Auburn and Miami won.  Had Auburn won 
I'm sure I would have had to hear a lot of crap from Auburn fans about how they
should have been champion in the previous year.

|> 
|> Dave
|> ----

-- 
Bruce Reagan
reagan@fedsrus.b15.ingr.com
bmr@gonzo.b15.ingr.com
From: sbscafg@sdd.hp.com (sbscafg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: TAMU Secret Weapon
Date: 4 Jan 1993 23:35:13 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdl141.sdd.hp.com

In article <C0384C.775@spss.com>, mike@spss.com (mike cornwall) writes:
|> Seems like TAMU is pulling out all the stops. First they take an easier
|> opponent in order to keep their unbeaten streak alive ;-), now they are
|> sabotaging ND with a secret weapon - high school cheerleaders.
|> 
|> The hotel where ND is staying also happens to be the same hotel where
|> hundreds of bright eyed teenage cheerleaders are staying. They are in
|> town for a national cheerleading competition. ND officials were told
|> the team hotel would be occupied only by the Irish team and supporters
|> as well as some quests of Mobil Corporation.
|> 
|> Holtz has not yet accused TAMU of a Trojan horse conspiracy of sneaking
|> the girls into his bunker to distract his team from its preparation.
|> But don't put it past him.
|> 

Actually, the NCA (National Cheerleaders Association) has had their national
conference at the Hyatt Regency for the past several years, where the A&M
team has stayed (and the other SWC schools, too?).  It may have caused a 
distraction to the team, so RC may have requested at the last minute to
have them moved.  Also, yell practice used to be held downtown, so all the
fans would gather in the Hyatt to hang out and further distract the players.
Although they were supposed to be in their rooms, they would hang out over
the balcony while the coaching staff played police.  This year, yell practice
was held outside a hotel in North Dallas, so RC may have been trying to
remove all distractions from the team.  What is he going to try next year?
Personally, I think the players get a boost hearing all the excited fans
down in the hotel lobby.  Just get rid of the cheerleaders!!


I am very sad about the game, but (as I said last year)," just wait!"  We
are SLOWLY making a climb to be a top team, and I have feeling next year
will be a big step in the positive direction!

sbscafg
sbscafg
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: AP Top 25?
From: bsutesch@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:32:16 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

Will someone please post the AP Top 25?

Thanks,

Brian
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Cooper Wuss! Smith! Ohio St
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:06:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

In article <1993Jan6.153818.5151@cbnewse.cb.att.com> jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) writes:
>
>But at least Ohio State had more National Merit Scholars this
>year than any other Big 10 school. [but it's too weak academically for
>football players who want an education (:^) ]

Gee, might that have anything to do with the fact that it's the LARGEST
school in the Big 10?
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: easley@harpo.dev.uga.edu (Mike Easley)
Subject: Re: Turning pro?
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:03:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.021740.310@asd.com> scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:
>As a loyal Dawg fan, and alumnus, does anyone know what Garrison Herst's
>plans are for next year?  Will he make a "run" for the Heisman or will
>he try to grab big bucks in the NFL?

Hearst as well as Hastings are both entering the NFL draft.

>-- 
>scott barman			| <This space intentionally left blank>
>scott@asd.com			|
> (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)

--
easley@athena.cs.uga.edu
easley@harpo.dev.uga.edu

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