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From: tgrupe@watnxt11.ucr.edu (Todd E. Grupe)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: CA Photo Radar
Date: 11 Jan 93 05:30:53 GMT


	I got snapped yesterday by a photo-radar trap -- saw the flash,  
looked down and realized I was doing 51 in a 35 zone.  I plan on fighting  
it just on general principles -- the use of covert-surveillance machines  
disgusts me, especially when I'm the one being covertly surveyed (and  
fined up the ass for it.)

	Has anyone had experience with fighting photo-radar tickets?  I  
know of two common ploys: checking that the area meets all the criteria  
for a legal speed trap (recent traffic surveys and the like), and checking  
the photo itself to see if your face came through clearly.  If anyone has  
beat a photo ticket, I'd like to hear about it.

TG
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From: vat10@diag.amdahl.com (Victor A. Tirva)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: What is the number to call in smoking cars?
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:08:20 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Cupertino, CA

In article <1993Jan5.153450.2589@nimbus.com>, jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford) writes:
|> In article <72885@cup.portal.com> Renee@cup.portal.com (Renee Linda Roberts) writes:
|> >What is the number to call in those disgusting cars and buses that are
|> >belching out smoke and liquid gasoline?
|> >
|> -------- 1-800-EXHAUST ----------- 
|> 
Hold the phone.  Those disgusting buses and cars are mostly diesels and are 
cleaner than gas powered cars.  The "liquid gasoline" coming out is called 
water.  The real pollution is invisible.
From: blanch@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (David Blanchard)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:33:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Change in enforcement policy. (was Re: new law)
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: ca.driving

As a practicing L(and l)ibertarian, things like helmet and seat belt
laws are something I abhor. BUT, as a practicing taxpayer in a society
that allows the fools who help to turn themselves into vegetables to
make a claim on my income to support them, I have to accept that
such laws may make some sense. Until we can let these people die the
ignominious, painful, unattended death they deserve, I say that this
law is OK.

Now, if we could do something about the neanderthals who remove the
mufflers from their Harleys it might be a perfect world.

DavidOB --- blanch@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com
From: spetter@photon.swdc.stratus.com (Scott Spetter)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Fastest way from Campbell to LA ?
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:46:28 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA


Since I haven't seen it posted yet, let me pass on a related tip.
If you are headed to Orange County or San Diego, I STRONGLY suggest
that you get off I-5 at I-210, take I-210 EAST through Pasadena,
and then pick up CA-57 (or CA-55 if there is a sig-alert on CA-57
for some reason) SOUTH.  This will dump you back on I-5 close to
Anaheim, bypassing a lot of downtown LA traffic, and adding only
slightly to the total distance.

Generally, as I approach the grapevine, I tune the radio to the
LA traffic reports, and pick my route (I-5 all the way, I-405,
or 210/57) based on the reports.   As long as they don't warn
you to avoid 210/57, I take it.

Hope this helps,

Scott
From: devesh@bombay.oracle.com (A Rice Queen)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Fastest way from Campbell to LA ?
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:25:36 GMT
Reply-To: devesh@bombay.oracle.com
Distribution: ca
Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA
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In article <1993Jan4.171150.8854@netcom.com> suleman@netcom.com (Dani Suleman)  
writes:
> Hi...I like to find out which is the fastest way to go to LA from Campbell ?
> Up 880 North to 580 East to 5 ? or Down 101 South all the way ? or Down
> 101 South, then 152 East @ Gilroy (if I am not wrong) to 5 ?
> 

I would definitely suggest 101->152->5. I went to LA Christmas weekend,
traffic was moderate, but made it from Mountain View to near Anaheim in
5 hours 15 minutes (including a 15 minute rest stop). The only slow part
was the 10-12 mile stretch of 152 where it is 1-lane in each direction,
and of course some drivers on 5 who insisted going at 65 (or 75 or whatever) 
in the left lane. (Are we about to start another discussion on this?! :))

Devesh 

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From: tbarnes@Teknowledge.COM (Terry A Barnes)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: CA Photo Radar
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:30:07 GMT
Reply-To: tbarnes@teknowledge.com (Terry A Barnes)
Organization: Cimflex Teknowledge Corp., Palo Alto CA

>	Has anyone had experience with fighting photo-radar tickets?  I  
>know of two common ploys: checking that the area meets all the criteria  
>for a legal speed trap (recent traffic surveys and the like), and checking  
>the photo itself to see if your face came through clearly.  If anyone has  
>beat a photo ticket, I'd like to hear about it.

I thought that a traffic ticket had to be signed by the "suspect" to be valid,
and that was why an officer would give you the choice of signing it or "going
in to the station" (to be booked).  Otherwise there is no written proof of your
identity.

How are photo-radar tickets handled?  There is no officer to testify, so how
can the photo be offered in as evidence against you?  A photo (or any other
artifact) by itself doesn't prove anything in a court of law.  Maybe thats my
problem - confusing a court of law with a court of revenue.  Can anyone clear
up my confusion about the legality of photo-radar?
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From: chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: What is the number to call in smoking c
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:01:25 GMT
Organization: Recom Technologies, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

In article <2B4B598F.20365@ics.uci.edu> levine@dinsdale.ics.uci.edu (David Levine) writes:
>Diesel engines are more thermodynamically efficient than gasoline
>engines.

This is a fallacy.  There is more energy per gallon of Diesel fuel
than gasoline.  Diesels do benefit from reduced pumping losses at
light loads, thanks to the lack of a throttle in the intake tract.
They excel at low-RPM, high-torque applications.

The excessive nitrogen oxide emissions common to Diesels are inherent
in their extremely lean burn design.  The soot is more likely a matter
of fuel choice.

There is a misconception that Diesels are inherently more reliable
than gasoline engines; the truth is the commercial engines and
Mercedes-Benz passenger car Diesel engines are designed for extremely
long lives.  The short-lived GM automotive Diesels, designed to
gasoline engine standards, demonstrated this fallacy.

 -- Chuck Fry  Chucko@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov
From: na@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Aru Arunasalam)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Help with "weaving" ticket
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:29:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: ABB Systems Control Company, Inc.



A friend of mine recently received a "weaving through traffic" ticket
while moving from the right most lane to the car pool lane. He was on 101 going
to the airport from Palo Alto.  He feels that he was only moving to the car
pool lane and wasn't "weaving" and feels he should fight the ticket.

My friend would appreciate your comments about his chances of winning in
court...

Thanks in advance.

Aru/                                 na@abb-sc.com
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Fastest way from Campbell to LA ?
Date: 7 Jan 93 03:17:32 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: ca
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <1993Jan6.042504.11355@dms.agames.com> mandel@dms.agames.com (Glenn Mandelkern) writes:
>
>You may want to try 101 to 46 to 5 which consists of mostly flat lands.
>Since coming to California three years ago, I have heard different
>reasons to avoid 152, from CHP common stakeouts to flipped-over buses
>and impatient drivers.  
>
   
   Where do you pick up 46?   152 has been improved a bit, but every
   time I've been on it, it has been more crowded than 5!
From: pvmason@cco.caltech.edu (Peter V. Mason)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: new law
Date: 13 Jan 1993 05:37:23 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

In article <9021@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> clt@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Christy L. Thierstein) writes:
>
>
>I have a question regarding the seat belt law.  Our daughter drives 
>a 1973 Camaro in which the seat belt and the shoulder harness are 
>

text ommitted

>I have heard that by wearing a seat belt improperly a ticket can
>still be issued.  By the way, we tried using the harness with the 

 
> Christy Thierstein

The wording in the CVC is "safety belts", not seat belts.  So I suspect
that you are technically required to wear the entire assembly.
Pete

> clt@chevron.com
From: chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Radar Detectors, Whats the deal?
Keywords: radar, cops
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:10:37 GMT
Organization: Recom Technologies, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA


As always, radar is just one of the tools used by police in the
never-ending campaign for revenue^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hsafety.

Radar use varies by agency and locale.  My experience in the Mountain
View area is that local cops who are serious about generating tickets
will use instant-on K-band in areas that are fairly well known as
speed traps.  Some local agencies, notably the Los Altos police, still
use X-band (!).  Some areas of San Jose are using the Stalker
reprogrammable Ka-band gun.  I have seen CHP use both instant-on and
continuous K-band (the latter apparently as a beacon).  And of course
Campbell continues its experiment with Ka-band photo radar.

I don't think you need to worry about a Ka-band detector yet.  The
photo radar installations are generally visible a long ways off.  And
few agencies have big enough budgets for the Stalker gun.

But radar is not the only weapon used against speeders.  The old
standby, pacing, is still the primary method by which the CHP traps
freeway flyers.  And look out for the air patrol on long stretches of
rural road.

So don't junk that Passport, but don't depend on it to spot every cop
either.  You need every countermeasure at your disposal, including
your eyes and your wits.

 -- Chuck Fry  Chucko@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov
From: rhockins@enrico.tmc.edu (Russell Hockins)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: What is the number to call in smoking c
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:27:38 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1993Jan7.000125.944@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry) writes:
>>engines.
[del]
>
>There is a misconception that Diesels are inherently more reliable
>than gasoline engines; the truth is the commercial engines and
>Mercedes-Benz passenger car Diesel engines are designed for extremely
>long lives.  The short-lived GM automotive Diesels, designed to
>gasoline engine standards, demonstrated this fallacy.
>

I think the 'reliablity' might be refering to fewer parts to maintain that
might otherwise fail, distributor, rotor, spark plugs, etc.  There are
some situations where a diesel powered vehicle would continue to operate
when a gas powered vehicle would fail.  Ever have a wet distributor?



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From: Renee@cup.portal.com (Renee Linda Roberts)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: What is the number to call in smoking cars?
Date: Mon,  4 Jan 93 17:11:24 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ca

What is the number to call in those disgusting cars and buses that are
belching out smoke and liquid gasoline?

Renee Roberts
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: suleman@netcom.com (Dani Suleman)
Subject: CHP Hot-spot
Organization: The Whatever Group
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:20:15 GMT

Hey ! I think we should compile somekinda list of those "CHP hot-spots" in 
the bay area. I got a ticket for that tinted windows about a month ago
driving down 880 South around the Automall area, there's this CHP who is 
always there on weekends around 8-9am, since I got that ticket on 
Saturday...I started noticing that she's always around that area in the
morning on weekends giving tickets !! So those of you who are driving down
880 South on weekend morning...BEWARE when you are reaching the Fremont
area ! :) 


--dani
Dani Suleman
From: erc@Apple.COM (Ed Carp)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Driver's License Test Question
Date: 4 Jan 93 06:58:40 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Bleeding Edge Technologies - 'Sliding Down The Razor Blade Of Life...'

In article <1993Jan4.033350.9834@netcom.com> tweek@netcom.com (Michael D. Maxfield) writes:

>Ah Ha,  This explains why our DMV (and state) is in such a bad state.  If
>the different testers can't get their facts straight, how do we expect the
>other state officials to get a budget.

Maybe they need to get a clue first, hmmm?  :)
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From: viviana@igor.tamri.com (Vivian Aldridge)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: How is your commute from Half Moon bay to SF?
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:30:03 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

Hi,
I am considering a move to Half Moon Bay, but
first I would like to find what it is like to
commute from that area.

Does anyone commute from the Half Moon Bay Area
(Montara especially) to San Francisco? How
long does it take you?
Are there van pools available? Where do they
begin and end?

What route has worked best for you? I know one can take
highway 92, but there looks like there is another
route available exiting at Pacifica.

Thank-you for sharing your experiences with me.
Please email to me directly at

viviana@tamri.com

Thanks!
Vivian

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Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz)
Subject: Re: CHP Hot-spot/police hot spot (in Santa Monica Ca)
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:21:03 GMT

usally at 26th & Santa monica for traffic going south on 26th there is is a
a no left turn between 4-6pm weekdays, (and usally 9 time out of 10 there a
officer 'staking' out that corner for left turners.)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: best route ? (Sacramento to Irvine, Orange County)
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:56:39 GMT

In article <C0pF51.7vt@inews.Intel.COM> ighosh@fws415.intel.com (Indraneel Ghosh - EPG) writes:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I am planning to drive from Sacramento to Irvine, Orange County and back.
> Could you please tell me about a good route to follow ? 
> (I'd like to drive along the Pacific Coast Highway if its not too 
>  time consuming.)

Both are on the same expressway: I-5.
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Never constructed SF freeways
Keywords: Maps?
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:10:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.055441.11217@sactoh0.sac.ca.us> mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark Newton-John) writes:
>Is there something at Cal Trans in Sacramento or in San Francisco
>that would show where never contructed freeways would have been
>built?

Once in a while a SF newspaper will print the map of projected freeways.
280 was supposed to go all the way to the GG bridge.  There was supposed to be a north SF connector
between the Bay Bridge and the GG bridge.
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: phil@rahul.net (Phil Gustafson)
Subject: Re: new law
Organization: Famed Parquet Floor
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:31:30 GMT

[attribution lost]
>
>    I know no one personally who has been saved from injury by
>    *wearing* a belt.
>
I was involved in an accident in loathsome Pheonix, AZ, a few years ago.
I walked away with no discomfort, but had back pains caused by seat-belt
scrunching for the next three weeks.  I rather expect my story would be
sadder if the energy from the crash not been spread out so salubriously.

phil


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Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: richg@hatch.socal.com (Rich Greenberg)
Subject: Re: Fastest way from Campbell to LA ?
Organization: Hatch Usenet and E-mail.  Playa del Rey, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:29:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.171150.8854@netcom.com> suleman@netcom.com (Dani Suleman) writes:
>Hi...I like to find out which is the fastest way to go to LA from Campbell ?
>Up 880 North to 580 East to 5 ? or Down 101 South all the way ? or Down
>101 South, then 152 East @ Gilroy (if I am not wrong) to 5 ?

Having done this trip recently, if you want the fastest trip, go 101 -> 152 
-> 5.  Part of 152 is 2 lanes, most is 4 lanes, mostly divided, and a nice road.
You can also go 101 all the way, but it will be slower.  If snow is predicted
for the "grapevine", take the 101.
Most of 5 is a straight road thru open country.
Watch out for the bears :-))
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From: daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: new law
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:21:04 GMT
Reply-To: daveb@lotus (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Originator: daveb@lotus
In-reply-to: alan@ikkyu.Eng.Sun.COM (Alan Marr)

someone writes:
>
>    I know no one personally who has been saved from injury by
>    *wearing* a belt.

Bzzt, lose.  It's a fallacious argument.

Assumuing you do know people who have been in any accidents, this is a
proposition without a truth value.  How can you possibly know what
injuries people wearing seatbelts *might* have endured had they not
been wearing them?

(If your sample space is 0 accidents, it's true no matter what the
effect of the seatbelts :-).

Beware, stupid andecdotal counter argument follows.  In both of the
rear-end accidents I've been party to in the last 15 years, there were
no serious injuries, and all parties were belted.  I believe I
personally would have been hurt much more had I not been wearing
belts.  Since you now know me (by the net), does this affect the truth
about your proposition?  No, because my belief I would have been hurt
is conjecture.

The argument for seatbelt use is statistical: Of the accidents
reported, people with seatbelts are much less injured than those
without.  You used to be able to choose which statistical category
you'd fall into should you be in an accident.  Now you're being told
to take the safer one.

Whether this order is proper for government or law is a different
issue I don't choose to argue.  However, denying the safety value of
restraint use based on anecdotal evidence is slipshod thinking.

-dB

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From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Change in enforcement policy. (was Re: new law)
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:58:54 GMT
Organization: Memes-R-Us
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cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>Reducing the speed limit to 15 mph would save an ENORMOUS number
>of lives.  Should we do that too?
>
>This country wasn't founded on the principle of saving lives.
>It was founded on the principle of individual freedom.


It was also founded on the basis of individuals accepting responsibility
for themselves - a principle only as far away as the nearest woods full
of bears.

Maybe we should bring the woods - and bears - back ... I suspect it
would be a real relief to many women to be able to take a walk and have
to worry about nothing more serious than wild animals.

)-:


-- richard


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From: campbell@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Mike Campbell)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Fastest way from Campbell to LA ?
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:28:36 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA

In ca.driving, wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich) writes:

> suleman@netcom.com (Dani Suleman) writes:

> >Hi...I like to find out which is the fastest way to go to LA from Campbell ?
> >Up 880 North to 580 East to 5 ? or Down 101 South all the way ? or Down
> >101 South, then 152 East @ Gilroy (if I am not wrong) to 5 ?

> 101 all the way will take something around 8-10 hours.

In my experience 101 has never taken longer than 6 hours from San Jose.
And the drive itself is so much more enjoyable than 5, that the extra 
half hour to forty five minutes is worth it. You can reach Santa Barbara 
in four hours and LA in another two, and avoide the grapevine.

Hope this helps.

Mike Campbell
campbell@sc.hp.com
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