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From: shivanan@nyquist.usc.edu (Mr. Shivanan Bhajekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: The Quran and the Modern Science
Date: 30 Dec 1992 14:50:29 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nyquist.usc.edu

Posting for FFT:

In article <1992Dec30.193629.14616@news.nd.edu> milind@agni.cc.nd.edu (Milind Saraph) writes:
>fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
>
>>It is extremely possible that Muhammad did'nt know anything (or
>>"God", for that matter). Without any corroborating evidence for
>>his speculations, Muhammad is as bad as any other man who claims
>>to know the secret of life :)

>Vijay, I wish you would argue with Bucaille's silly interpretations
>and not speculate what the Prophet knew.  Muslims consider the Quran
>to be revelation from the God and by definition, to be perfect, 
>consistent and timeless.  You may end up offending others.  

	For one, the postings by Salam/Mustafa have been extremely hazy. 
	Secondly, Salam proclaimed that the Prophet knew about everything
	as it was a divine revelation. He CANNOT make such a claim and at
	the same time bring in Science. If he wants to deal with pure faith,
	that's fine. Just don't denigrate Science and scientists like
	Hawking. You can define "perfect" as "that which is like Quran".
	IMO, that's cheating.:)

>wonders, how an illiterate man like the Prophet could have known
>or anticipated modern scientific facts.  He concludes that 
>the Quran has to be divine in nature.  My argument is with his
>bizarre interpretative exercise and not with the divine nature
>of the Quran, which is a matter of faith anyway.
>-- Milind Saraph


	It's been pointed out repeatedly that imagination need not be
	constrained by existing knowledge. The classic cases are Verne and 
	Wells. Does that imply they had divine connections? Salam still
	insists on the naive interpretations of B. 

	FFT




Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: Quaid-e-Azam's Birth Day
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 02:46:38 GMT

shamim@onyx.egr.msu.edu (Tariq Shamim) writes:


>To all Pakistanis and Freedom lovers,

>Happy Quaid Day (25 December)!!!!

>Please pay your tributes to the Founder of Pakistan, Quaid-e-Azam (Great Leader)
>Mohammed Ali Jinnah.  Only very few individuals can change the course of history
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                                      
>or change the map of the world, he did both of them.  
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

AND HE REGRATED FOR THAT. 

He not only changed the Political map but kept the trend open to change
more political borders in the Indian Subcontinent. 
Bangladesh is example in hand. 
Long live Bangladeshi trend. 

Bye
Adil

>Tariq Shamim
>Mechanical Engineering
>Michigan State University
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From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Difference
Date: 26 Dec 92 01:58:36 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <1992Dec25.231349.1012@u.washington.edu> rajat@carson.u.washington.edu (Rajat Singh) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.165040.14726@slate.mines.colorado.edu> imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:
>>In article <1h507nINN2em@phakt.usc.edu> fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
>>>Mustapha Ibrahim ponders:
>>>>	Q.  What is the difference between man and animal ?
>>>>	A.  Religion
>>>
>>>	No wonder the animal is better ...
>>>
>>>	
>>      If animal is better go and live with it. You are wasting your
>>                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>>time here man.
>
>We ARE living with you, aren't we?
>
>rks.


So many dogs barking at me . How wonderful :-)))))))))
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From: fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Difference
Date: 21 Dec 1992 09:51:51 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Mustapha Ibrahim ponders:
>	Q.  What is the difference between man and animal ?
>	A.  Religion

	No wonder the animal is better ...

	
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From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: The Quran and the Modern Science
Date: 1 Jan 1993 14:25:36 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


>Note:  Allah presents the signs in Quran with a clear qualification.
>The signs are ONLY for those who "understand", "reflect", and who
>"ponder". 

	Very convenient disclaimer by Muhammad, I say! 




	

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)
Subject: Re: The Quran and the Modern Science
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 04:21:26 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Dec31.230742.18251@news.nd.edu> milind@agni.cc.nd.edu (Milind Saraph) writes:
>Divine causes and supernatural entities are outside the purview of 
>science.  Science has nothing to say about these.
	Nonsense.  Science has plenty to say for divine causes and supernatural
	entities: it calls them superstitition.  



							smg


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From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Difference
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:39:22 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Mustafa gets riled:)
>>	No wonder the animal is better ...
>      If animal is better go and live with it. You are wasting your
>time here man.

	I agree:). But I can't. Wantu see how low you can fall in the name
	of religion.

	FFT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: piplani@chartreuse.ecn.purdue.edu (Rajesh Piplani)
Subject: All you Ghazal buffs out there........
Keywords: Ghazal newsgroup
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:52:30 GMT


I was wondering if any of you ghazal buffs ever came across any
albums by 'Sumita Chakraborty'. Just to refresh your memory, she
had sung one ghazal in the album "Talents of 80's" which was
brought out by Jagjit Singh and featured (Besides Sumita) Junaid
Akhtar, Ghanshyam Vasvani, Ashok Khosla, Seema Sharma and a couple 
of other people. Anyways, I thought Sumita's voice was great, and that
she should have gone on to bigger and better things, like coming
out with her own album. But I have never seen any. 
If any of you have, I would appreciate if you provide me some
info on that.

Also i wanted to propose forming of group called (maybe)
rec.arts.ghazals. On that group we could discuss things like my
posting, and also share lyrics (and even meanings) of Ghazals. I
for one , not being very good at Urdu vocabulary, have a hard
time following some of the "shers" of my favorite ghazals. 
I think it would be better to have a separate group instead of
cluttering up the already cluttered up group like sci.
I would appreciate any suggestions and thoughts on this idea of
mine. You can send me e-mail to my address too, if u so desire.

Another of those Ghazal buffs,
Rajesh

--
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W. Lafayette, IN 47907             | W. Lafayette, IN 47906
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From: rizvi@paul.rutgers.edu (HGR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: test
Summary: none
Keywords: t
Date: 25 Dec 92 00:38:24 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
From: nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey)
Subject: Re: Difference
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 19:30:22 GMT

fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:

>Bukhari Mustafa Ibrahim writes:
>>It does not suit to a person who is the preacher of the most tolerant
>>religion in the world (after the demolition of Babri mosque) 
>>:-)))))))))))
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^
>	Hey Mustafa, I'm curious. How do you waddle around with so many
>	double chins?? I tht you were allowed to have max 4 of them...

>	FFT


Hi fafat,

	How many times I have to tell you that it is his biggg tail.


Nishit


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From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Difference
Date: 24 Dec 1992 22:38:55 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Samit Bannerjee writes:
>In article <BzsFxo.Cys@news.cso.uiuc.edu> nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey) writes:
>>
>>	Question - What is the difference between Mustafa Idiot and a DONKEY?
>>
>>	Answer - Hmm.. let me think..  Yeah  Mustafa has a longer tail.

>Finally, I would not be surprised if the SPCA and other animal right's
>groups came down hard on you for your temerity in comparing a DONKEY with
>a much more primitive lifeform  and one that has long been surpassed by most
>other species in the evolutionary scale of things.
>
>Samit


	Let me quote Shaw once again : When the monkey took the evolutionary
	leap to transform into man, MUSTAFA IBRAHIM did not jump far
	enough.
	
	FFT



Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: an4277@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Mustafa Ibrahim's brilliant wit!
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.pakistan
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 11:18:05 GMT

I was browsing through the posts and a message caught my eye. This
Mustafa Ibrahim (something must have gone wrong somewhere man! Nobody
is this stupid) had posted a message using the Anonymous server but
had forgotten to get rid of his signature.

What's your gig yaar? What happened while you were a kid? Talk to
me man! Why do you love fucking up. Ooops! Sorry wrong line of
questioning; you probably don't know you fuck up, do you? That really
saddens me. Seriously, you are making a mockery out of yourself and
your country. Get a life!


And as for that Deepak Bose character, the cretin is an insult to
humanity. I hope for his own sake that he's not ugly because if he
is, and I have a feeling that he is, he better not run into me. Being
ugly for you is one too many man! 

I won't like you at all, Deepak Bose because you're  stupid, vile
and ugly. You're a disgrace to humans Deepak. A word of advice to
his friends: Guys put a leash on this one!




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From: rajesh@ivy (Rajesh Raman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: pakistan is lilbit di
Date: 4 Jan 1993 01:06:05 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: soc
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivy.wpi.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

: Well...  the thing is that Muslims have some very definite ideas on
: government and society and Hindus have others.  Muslims would not
: feel comfortable always being under Hindu-majority rule, and Hindus
: would probably resent any "special" rights given to a Muslim
: majority.   

  Is it something that cannot be resolved thru discussion and patience ?
  Pray expatiate.

: If the right conditions were to be created in our home countries,
: then I am sure that a lot of the "exported brainpower" living in
: North America and Europe would return home and lend their expertise
: in the advancement of our economies...

  It calls for a great spirit of sacrifice from the "exported
  brainpower". It's more like "lost brainpower". If the bright people of
  these countries leave their countries, after having received their
  subsidized education, for material comfort, isn't that extreme
  ingratitude? I think that instead of waiting for someone to do
  something, we should go back and try and do something in our own ways.
  We are bright enough to do so many wonderful things. We have "wrought"
  wonder in this country already. We can do the same in our home
  countries with some more effort. Or are we afraid of failing ?!

: But how realistic is all this?  I wonder...  Maybe in our lifetime
: we will see some GREAT leadership in the subcontinent that trascends
: the petty differences and disputes and politicking and vested
: interests and REALLY works for the best interests of the people...

  We have to go back. We have to believe in ourselves. We have to invoke
  all our guts. That's the real issue for us to debate. How do we
  overcome corruption and red tape back home ? I guess the answer lies
  within our own minds. We all have to fight it in our own ways.

--

Rajesh Raman

--

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
From: nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey)
Subject: Re: Difference
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 03:23:18 GMT

imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:



>So many dogs barking at me . How wonderful :-)))))))))
				            ^^^^^^^^^^^^



where honey? In Colorado? Don't get scared, they will not do any harm .
They haven't seen a creature like you with such a big tail and so less brain.
Don't show your tail to everybody. Hide it between your hind legs.
  Very soon I will find somebody who will be willing to keep you as a pet.
Hey fafat and samit, will you guys keep Mustafa IDIOT for few days till I
move to an apartment where pets are allowed.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Subject: re: pakistan moving
Reply-To: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:40:12 EST

To: hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan)

SH> Recently I learnt from a friend who has recently arrived from
SH> Pakistan, that PCs are being quickly acquired, either in Pakistan or
SH> brought over from here. 

Well...  the "Defense Housing Society" classes have taken bigtime to
computing...  and there is considerable computerisation (very modern
too) of business in places like Karachi.  For example, one of
Karachi's arterial roads, the Shara-e-Faisal (Drig Road) had lots of
ads of Apple Macintoshes and for Acer PCs...  the Herald (one of
Pakistan's best magazines) also has ads for PCs...

And a cousing of mine works at the offices of The News (a new, and
very good daily) took me around.  They use Apple Macs for their news
and DTP...

Pakistan is not in the dark ages of technology, only in the dark
ages of leadership and social structure...

Faraz Rabbani.

... Don't confuse The Issue with The Facts!
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.11
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: Ahmet Arman <aarman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: irfan-ahmed
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 01:44:23 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Bismillahirrahmanirrahim
Esselamu aleykum verahmetullahi veberaketuhu
Dear brothers in the islam
When I was reading soc.culture.pakistan, irfan Ahmed said that he is from turkey. Also I am from turkey. In the turkish. ahmed is written as Ahmet like my name. I just remind all brothers in islam. This shows this guy lies. When a hypocrat comes to you with a news, you have to research it.
 
bismillahirrahmanirrahim
innemel mu'minune ihvatun.........
May ALLAH gives bratherhood to all muslims
Esselamu aleykum
ahmet
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From: fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Difference
Date: 22 Dec 1992 12:46:56 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Nishit writes:
>In article <1992Dec20.194821.1645@slate.mines.colorado.edu>, imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:
>>> 	Q.  What is the difference between man and animal ?
>>> 	A.  Religion
>	A. Man can think logically and like you animal can't think.
>Nishit

	Hey Nishit, stop insulting that animal (I'm not referring to Mustafa :)
	will you? Sheesh, comparison with Mustafa....

	


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: PakistaNews Text Files Until New Year - #0102
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 00:34:14 GMT

imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar) writes:

>[What BULLSHIT!!   Hindustan is certain that Kashmir will
>most definitely leave it and that will give momentum to the
>creation and independence of Khalistan and Assam, and
>later others.  Why does not India not allow Kashmiris the
>right to self-determination that was guarunteed?]


	HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

	PAKAD KE SO JA IMRAN .



>   LUCKNOW, India  -- A state high court ordered authorities
>Friday to permit ***Hindu*** worshippers at a makeshift
>temple built on the ruins of a demolished mosque.
> 
>[The ultimate proof of the secular and fair nature of the
>Indian government, courts, and society!!!]



	YEH TO KUCH BHI NAHIN .

	ARE AAGE-AAGE DEKH HOTA HAI KYA .

	HO HO HO HO HO 

	BECHARA PAKISTAN !!



Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: shamim@onyx.egr.msu.edu (Tariq Shamim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Pakistan Engineering Council
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:03:31 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: onyx.egr.msu.edu

Does somebody know the mailing address of Pakistan Engineering Council
in Karachi (I know the office is in the Civic Center) or Islamabad?
Any experience with the membership renewal procedure, etc?

Please send it to me or post it.

Thanx.

Tariq Shamim					(shamim@egr.msu.edu)
Mechanical Engineering
Michigan State University
From: mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi)
Subject: Re: Difference
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:22:29 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Dec22.165040.14726@slate.mines.colorado.edu> imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:

>	Q.  What is the difference between man and animal ?

>	A.  Religion


        Q. What is the difference between Mustafa Ibrahim and a bucket
           of shit?

        A. The bucket!



                                             Peace,

                                                        Mandar.
-- 
"Imagine there's no countries. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die 
 for, and no religion too. Imagine all the people living life in peace.
 You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope some
 day you'll join us, and the world will be as one." - John Lennon.
From: fall217@cse.unl.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Quaid-e-Azam's Birth Day
Date: 23 Dec 1992 22:28:35 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu

dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose) writes:

>shamim@onyx.egr.msu.edu (Tariq Shamim) writes:


To all Pakistanis and Freedom lovers,

Happy Quaid Day (25 December)!!!!

Please pay your tributes to the Founder of Pakistan, Quaid-e-Azam (Great Leader)
Mohammed Ali Jinnah.  Only very few individuals can change the course of history
or change the map of the world, he did both of them.  

Tariq Shamim
Mechanical Engineering
Michigan State University

Naqvi also
>	HOW SAD 
>		JESUS CHRIST AND Jinnah WERE BORN ON THE SAME DAY .
To say that the Jesus (pbuh) was born on 25th is over simplyfication of the 
facts.  Christians in different parts of the world do not celebrate Xmis on 25 th? 

I dont know what is so sad about the birth of a person? 
  
If some one have any doubt I can give him sufficient refference or the artical it self but I dont know how i can insert a file in a posting?
thank you 
I hape we will make his country strong according to his dreams.
From: hasan@cs.washington.edu (Shams Hasan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pakistan is lilbit different from Israel
Keywords: learn from past, live today, and plan the future...
Date: 25 Dec 92 01:43:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: beaver.1992Dec25.014304.29989
Followup-To: Mansoor Khan
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

Dear Mansoor Dude,

Interestingly enough, as much as I have learnt recently from SCP on events
surrounding creation of Pakistan, India today and Bangladesh, it seems we
enjoy contemplating the scenarios that were the result of a different time
and place.

The world then was a very different place. I find your last aritcle succint and
to the point, in response to the article you were responding to. It also
provided the needed insight into the bias coming from Indians and Bengalis,
that continue to plague SCP needlessly and maliciously with no intent other
then to incite flames and controversy.

I would like to draw you towards the issue of education and present conditions
prevailing in Pakistan. If you know what the system is based upon, and maybe
if you have knowledge of the private school system, could you share that with
us..?  Specifically I mean the freedom of private schools to design their own
syllabus ?

Best Regards,
Shams Hasan
From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Imbecile Annons' Questions. ( Was Re: Moslems@)
Date: 31 Dec 92 22:17:52 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose) writes:
: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:
: 
: >I would like to try it with your mother.
: 
: 	I GUESS YOU DIDN'T LIKE YOUR MOTHER VERY MUCH .
: 
: 	
	  		MY POOR MUSTAFA !



 Babay you have already admitted that sex is not allowed in my religon.
So how can i have.... But since sex is allowed in your religon i would 
like to try it with your.... In this way we will have a new deepak 
a good one.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan