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From: atzachar@unix.amherst.edu (Aladdin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: What's with the HOSTILITY? (My first flame-war!)
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:16:24 GMT
Organization: Amherst College
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Phase (phase@cybernet.cse.fau.edu) wrote:
>  Am I upset that they are marketing Aladdin for veery cent they can?
> No, not for them trying to make money off a popular production. But it has
> been pushed over the edge of healthy practice, by the success of The Little
> Mermaid. Now disney films are not written and animated and compsoed simply
> with the notion of making the finest film possible, Disney breeds films
> that are sure to create pop-culture icons of merchandising dollars.

Wrong.

>    And I think Aladdin shows the path that Disney films will take.
> I have always had great respect for Disneys animated films, but Aladdin
> has lowered my respect to only slightly above thier hideous, low quality
> as a rule of thumb, modern liveractions trash like Pretty Woman,
> Newsies, and the Mighty Ducks and Rocketeer.
>  Every inch and facet of Aladdin reaks of the shameless commercialism it was
> concieved under. The music, the marketing, the film, it is a MTV era, teen
> spirit shoddy attempt at making money. The whole film was desigend to be an
> ad.  Aladdin, unfortunately, comes across to me as a 2 hour commerical!
> It has affected the quality of the film immensely. Nuff said.

These films are made with the intention of making good pictures!  They don't
say, "Hey, make that character really cute and fuzzy because it will be a
great stuffed animal!  Oooooh, and wouldn't this scene be great for Burger
King cups??"...  I don't want to ramble on, so Phase, please, do us all a
favor...  Instead of generalizing about how you think Aladdin is a commercial,
tell us where they went wrong.  The legend of Aladdin is a great story,
but I agree that there were several story and character problems.......
Why don't you mention what you think they should have done in the telling
of the tale?  Could be interesting.

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	 A private oasis out there in the sands..."
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From: shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Best Bookstore in B-town?
Originator: shulick@cineret
Reply-To: shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Vallen Software
Distribution: iu
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:39:16 GMT


What (in your opinions, of course) is the best bookstore here?  I'm
looking for one with a wide variety.  Specificaly, I'm looking for
Disney books on art/animation.  I believe one is called "The Illusion of
Life" made by a couple of Disney old-timers.  Any info would be great.
Thanks.

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From: yoshio@pain.la.ca.us (Yoshio Nakamura)
Subject: Pinocchio re-release
Organization: Public Access Info Network  (818/776-1447)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:23:54 GMT
Distribution: usa

I earlier claimed that _Daily Variety_ said Pinocchio will be
re-released on March 26.  When I went to a local Disney Store,
the caption at the bottom of the projection screen said the
videocasette will be released March 23, and the laserdisc on
the 24th (CLV).  If you pre-order, you get a watch and a gift
certificate.  There is a special boxed set, with a
Limited Edition Lithograph, also.

-yoshio        yoshio@pain.la.ca.us
               yoshio_nakamura @ 1:102/834
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From: kimp@rpi.edu (Phil Kim)
Subject: TV: Best of Disney Music
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:16:51 GMT

Catch CBS special, "Best of Disney Music" on Wednesday, February 3.  
It runs 60 minute and includes highlights from various songs.  A 
promotion of "Legacy in Song" CD-set.  Angela Lansbury hosts.
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From: johnm@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.s.maddaus)
Subject: Disney hotels
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:42:53 GMT

For what its worth, I was somewhat disappointed in the Beach Club/Yacht Club
during our last stay.  These hotels seem to cater to the business crowd and
I found the personal attention lacking compared to our stays at the Poly-
nesian.  We had problems with our room that took multiple calls to get
resolved.  They didn't want to give us a complementary gift that AMEX had
said we would get under the Kids Go Free program (which I highly recommend),
the snorkeling pool with live fish in it was closed indefinitely and
they closed the water slide for the duration of our stay due to mechanical
problems.  On the contrary, the folks at the Polynesian ALWAYS went out of
our way to make us feel comfortable and welcome.


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From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disney Reference in The Simpsons
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:25:41 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1993Jan22.175341.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> collins_w@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>   There was a Disney reference in the last Simpsons. They were
>at the Duff Beer theme park. For one of the rides, they floated on a
>river of beer, which had children of different nations singing about
>Duff Beer along the ride. Just like the Disney ride, "It's a Small World
>After All".

Rats, I missed that one.  But last week's Simpsons episode had
monorails in it, complete with ineffable safety standards.  Isn't
this called "Disney Envy" or something? :-)

Here's one of my favorites:

 Great Classics in Animation

ITCHY AND SCRATCHY: THE MOVIE

            with
    beauty and the beast


- Robert Cook
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From: riouxp@rs6325.ecs.rpi.edu (Peter Joseph Rioux)
Subject: Re: Episode Guide for Disney's Little Mermaid series
Reply-To: riouxp@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:47:06 GMT

umm... i guess that i didn't have to wait to be corrected... the episode
that i was talking about was beached... but it was arista, not alana... 
sorry for the inconvenience..... and if you are feeling stupid for correcting me
because you didn;'t see this until after, take refuge in knowing that i did the
same exact thing.......

SQUID
(feeling *really* dumb.......)
From: lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Aladdin and the Golden Globes
Date: 25 Jan 1993 23:51:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


For anyone who doesn't know, Aladdin won two Golden Globe awards, 
for best score and best song (A Whole New World).  It was beaten
out for best picture (Musical/Comedy) by The Player.  Oh well.  
Personally, I would have liked to see "Prince Ali" take the best
song award, since it was by far the most entertaining song in the
movie, IMHO.  Of course, the pretty love song is going to beat out
the fun ones.  (Not that I didn't like Whole New World, it's just
that Prince Ali was a riot, and Whole New World was sorta standard).
But at least something from Aladdin took the award.  The award for
best score is fine with me (aren't you all glad the Golden Globes
have my approval :-)) but does anyone know what the competition was?
Linda
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From: drwho@wpi.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: are mermaids fish... the long awaited ANSWER!!!!!
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:10:16 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1993Jan25.023721.9335@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal) writes:
>In <1jse6uINN9tl@bigboote.WPI.EDU> drwho@edwards.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann) writes:
>
>>Maybe mermaids are both fish *and* mammal.  After all, platypuses
>>exist. (platypi?)
>Um,  WHAT?  Are you saying that platypuses are half mammal, half fish?
>Have you *seen* a platypus lately?  (The old monotreme discussion has
>already gone around this group once.)

No, I'm saying they have characteristics of two different animal
kingdoms, or phylums, or whatever.  Fur like mammals, but lays eggs
like birds/fish/reptiles.  (Birds are now believed to be related to
reptiles, aren't they?  Never mind, I don't want to start a flamewar,
and it's been a long time since my bio class in high school...)

>>a. Merfolk are half *dolphin*, thus being all-mammal, with a
>>horizontal tail, but no scales.
>
>problem 1: They do have scales.  Look closely as Sebastian prances about
>on Ariel's tail in "Under the Sea".

I'm not talking about Ariel, I'm speculating about *real* mermaids.
Sheesh, some of you people have lost your grip on reality. :) :) :)

>>vertical tails, but no breasts.  (Hey!  You can't say that here, this
>>is a family newsgroup!)

>problem 1: Merfolk have horizontal tails.

(Actually, it depends on the artist.  I've seen paintings of mermaids
with both tail shapes.)

>Tim Pickett

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Murphy's Law Incarnate        # 
Any similarities between what I say and what I mean are purely coincidental.
From: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM (Thomas McCabe Kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Where can I find Disneys catalog?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:45:19 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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> desmondw@merrimack.edu writes:
> 
> >     Can somebody please post a phone number I can call to get a
> >subscription to the Disney catalog? I wasn't aware one was available
> >until now and would like to receive it. If a phone # is unavailable,
> >a description on how else to get it would be great.
> >                                                 Bill



The disney catalog number is 800-237-5751



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From: bbishop@crusader.torolab.ibm.com ()
Subject: LASERDISC RELEASES!!!
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:28:55 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

Just saw them yesterday at the store so I know they're out...

The Absent Minded Proffessor (the new restored/remastered studio version)
So Dear to My Heart

Brad

Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Re: Scan & post pics of voicemakers
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:17:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.050835.10270@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal) says most sayishly:
>With any luck, these are the pictures of people to do with Disney that I
>can scan and upload:
>
>Lea Salonga (Jasmine singing)
>Paige O'Hara (Belle)
>David Ogden Stiers (Cogsworth)
>Jerry Orbach (Lumiere)
>Angela Lansbury (Mrs Potts)
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No need, we've all seen her hundreds of times.

>Robby Benson (Beast)
>Glen Keane, Will Finn, Nik Ranieri (animators)
>and . . .
>Jodi Benson (Ariel, of course!)
>
>Tim.
>
>PS I know you all want them; just leave me in peace (no mail yet please)
>and I can do them.

Thanks!

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From: tanida@seismo.CSS.GOV (Tom Tanida)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Westcot Environmental Impact Report Summary
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:44:59 GMT

If anyone is interested in the "Disneyland Resort Draft Environmental
Impact Report Summary", I have a copy.  It is about 22K and summarizes
the draft of the EIR filed with the City of Anaheim.  The full document
is available from Anaheim, and is about 500 pages (I don't have that :-) ).
I can e-mail it to anyone who would like it- it covers what's in the
full EIR, and gives a few examples of things Disneyland would do for
Anaheim (e.g. landscaping).

-Tom
tanida@esosun.css.gov
From: waisnor@norland.diag.stratus.com (Robert Waisnor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Mary Popins II
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:04:29 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: norland.diag.stratus.com

Are there any outstanding reasons why Disney could not do a MPII?
Most of the original characters are still around (and probably dying
for some work) and you could just bring the time line up thirty years or so.
Imagine, Mary Popins versus the Nazi's.....

Is there a rights problem or what?

Just wondering.
 

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From: atzachar@unix.amherst.edu (Aladdin)
Subject: Re: UPCOMING ANIMATED FEATURES
Organization: Amherst College
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Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:31:39 GMT

Todd Hesemann (theseman@ems.cdc.com) wrote:
> In article <93024.201416RSL103@psuvm.psu.edu>, RSL103@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>> 
>> 1994:POCAHONTAS--This WILL be a musical version, and it WILL be historically
>> accurate, meaning it won't be a happy ending.  At the end, so I've heard,
>> Pocahontas stays in Virginia while her lover, Captain John Smith, takes a
>> ship back to England.
> 
> It can't be too accurate then, since Pocahontas died in England.

True (that she died in England), BUT that was a few years later when she
married and moved to England. 
--
	** Ala"ddi"n **

	"There will be riches and magical places
	 A private oasis out there in the sands..."
From: mross@crowe.seas.ucla.edu (Mark J. Ross)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: So when will Hall of Presidents be updated?
Date: 23 Jan 93 19:23:58 GMT
Organization: LASERAMA, usa

In article <4873@moscom.com> jrjj@moscom.com (Jad Jordan) writes:
>So when will Clinton be joining the Hall of Presidents? Anybody got any ideas?

I'll be there next month and post if I see Clinton.

Mark (who's pleased that the Annual Report reflects his request 
      for the completion of the Indiana Jones ride at Disneyland)
********************************************************************

Did I tell you that I'm going backstage at WDW February 18?
  Or that I'm getting into WDW's MK an hour early for 3 days?
    Or that I'm going to Disneyland in February, too?

I'm skipping school to go to Pleasure Island!

Is this .sig actually stretching, or is it your imagination?
And consider this dismaying observation...
This .sig has no windows and no doors.
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Subject: Beauty and the Beast Enchantment theory
From: eric.troup@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Eric Troup) 
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:18:00 GMT
Reply-To: eric.troup@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Eric Troup) 
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Distribution: world
Organization: The Batchelor Pad PCBoard ~ Long Beach, CA ~ +1 310 494 8084


In another article, Robert Cook told All this:

 RC> I believe that he was a little boy when he was cursed, so his
 RC> chip came from a chip in his tooth.  I seriously, SERIOUSLY doubt
 RC> that Disney meant to imply that any of the teacups were born after
 RC> the spell was cast.

We were all discussing this very thing on the Fidonet Disney echo and
came to the conclusion that the enchantment must have frozen them as
far as aging was concerned.  Our main basis for this theory was the
fact that it would be rather heartless to judge an eleven-year-old
prince the way the princess did in the opening backstory.

... "How about THAT, you doubting Mustafa?" - Genie
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From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: beauty's song
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:23:37 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdcc13.ucsd.edu

In article <1993Jan21.162105.630@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st923288@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>In the song "Belle" in BatB, so sings: "here's where she meets Prince Charming/but she won't discover that it's him 'til chapter three".
>It sounds like the "prince in disguise" idea is BatB, but she doesn't really
>discover that Beast is a prince until later in the story than what you could
>consider chapter three. In fact, she doesn't even meet beast until what could be considered after chapter three. What other fairy tale could she be talking 
>about? Any ideas?

I think that Belle was just singing about any arbitrary Beast-Prince
fairy tale.  There are variations on the theme and countless versions
(like The Frog Prince).  Pick any you like, but maybe you could take
another look at the picture in her book.  I think that "Chapter
Three" has a nice ring to it--that's probably why it's there.
"Chapter Twen-TEEE!" wouldn't have worked. :-)

>Also, why doesn't Beast have a real name. After all, when his parents named 
>him, I highly doubt "Beast" was a popular choice.

As far as we know, he didn't have parents! ;-)  In the story that
Disney apparently based the film on, Beast is simply named 'Beast'--
he said so.  The point is that he lacks a true identity until his true
self is "discovered."  That's my interpretation, in any case.  Naming
him after the transformation would've made the film end on an
extreme fairy-tale like note, IMHO.  Besides, Disney is very lazy
with names (e.g. Flounder, Featherduster, etc. and even real names
are often common regionally: Maurice, Gaston, Marie, etc.).

I see yet another parallel with the "original" story (personal
habit--humor me), in which a fairy visits Beauty nightly in her
dreams, and tells her not to judge by physical appearance.  Disney
seems to have decided to be more subtle and stick the idea of
discovering a prince into Belle's book (and hence, her song).  The
portrait of the prince in Beast's chamber was also a nice touch.
The hints merely gave Belle notions--they weren't drilled into her
like in the old fairy tales.


- Robert Cook
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From: agarde@nyx.cs.du.edu (Snark)
Subject: When will Aladdin hit the UK?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 23:27:01 GMT

Does anyone have any news on when Aladdin is scheduled for release
in the UK?  I was lucky enough to see it twice over Xmas (and 
get the soundtrack), but I am dying to see it again... 

On a related note, I know there was some discussion a while back
as to how the humour would date/transfer out of America. Well,
I recognised very few of Robin Williams impersonations, but I
could tell the type of character they implied (game show host,
chat show host, etc), and I still thought it was very funny.
(I didn't recognise Arsenio (sp?) until the second time... by
which time I had actually seen him on TV), so I think this
film will stay around for sometime to come...

A question to any Disney Castmembers who work at the parks.
How much does Disney pay basic starting castmembers on the
rides, etc. I just ask because I visited Six Flags Over Texas
at Xmas, and the staff were very discontent. I wondered if it
had anything to do with the wage, which started at $4.25 an hr.
The cast at Disneyland were in a different league as to how they
treat the guests.

Snark

--
One of the few people in England to have seen Aladdin  ;-)
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From: riouxp@rs6401.ecs.rpi.edu (Peter Joseph Rioux)
Subject: Re: are mermaids fish... the long awaited ANSWER!!!!!
Reply-To: riouxp@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:06:03 GMT

hmm.. i will have to check, but this supports my thoery...:)
right all you doubting moustafa's.. (blatantly stolen from a post and aladdin..:)

SQUID
(taking one idea is plagurism, stealing a lot of ideas is a breakthrough...:)
From: mousktr@carson.u.washington.edu (Denise "ABU" Lockner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Walt Disney (the man)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 01:30:00 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <27JAN93.14595373@vax.clarku.edu> cprovencal@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>Hello, out there. I'm doing a report on Walt Disney and I need some info. on
>him. Any background information I can get. I have books about Walt Disney World
>and Epcot and they tell how it got started.  But I need some type of history
>of the man who started it all. If anybody knows if there is a biography on him
>let me know, please.  Or if you could send me the info over the net that would
>greatly help. thanks.
>
>Chris

For a non-biased economic view, I recommend "The Disney Version" by
Richard Schickel.

-Denise
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From: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Aladdin and the Golden Globes
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:49:00 GMT
Distribution: world
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Reply-To: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney) 

To: lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear)

LGB>Personally, I would have liked to see "Prince Ali" take the best
LGB>song award, since it was by far the most entertaining song in the
LGB>movie, IMHO.

Couldn't agree more. One of the most fun segments of the film, too.

 * SLMR 2.1a * A cat's purr is the sound of it generating cute.
                                                                                                                 
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From: quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Subject: Re: What's with the HOSTILITY? (My first flame-war!)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:35:35 GMT

In <9oa1XB3w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> phase@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Phase) writes:
[lots and lots of nasty statements along with one or two nice ones]
> Aladdin, unfortunately, comes across to me as a 2 hour commerical!
>It has affected the quality of the film immensely. Nuff said.

Guess who left their terminal unattended again . . . .  :)

Tim Pickett, who *still* hasn't seen Aladdin.