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From: luong@naxos.inria.fr (Quang-Tuan Luong)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Why such an extremism ? (Was Re: cairns)
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:23:26 GMT
Reply-To: luong@sophia.inria.fr
Organization: Inria Sofia Antipolis

In article <1992Jul28.204202.29146@colorado.edu>, ghill@dot.cs.colorado.edu 
(Gregory Hill) writes:
|> I have been amazed that so many people are offended by cairns. I have never
|> thought twice about them before this discussion, except to note that they
|> sometimes look cool on a foggy day. It's just a pile of rocks! 
|> [...]

I agree entirely. Before reading E. Hirst original message, I could
not even imagine that people could act that way, and I just sent him a 
private flame. Now I am amazed by the whole discussion and the 
incredible arguments. I can ensure you that I have never seen here anybody
destroying a cairn, or speaking about destroying cairns, and as far as
I have spoken around me, that action is considered to be stupid or
naughty. However, the possibility to destroy cairns is one of the reason they
should not be destroyed.

I reminds me the discussions about bolts and pitons. And now they don't
even respect cairns ! Let me give just an exemple. If someone went, to 
La Loubiere crag, above Monaco, and said "You will respond to your children 
of the environemental impact", with the whole Riviera buidings 
and roads visible, and the bolts hardly visible from 100m, everyone here 
would laugh. 

I understand the ethics that are behind the actions aiming to maintain
wilderness, and it seems respectable to me. However, you
should remember that everything in life is a matter of compromise, and
accept it. Extremist positions, as hold by some american climbers and 
hikers, are unreasonable. Mountain is also man's land. It is not a coincidence
that hiking, climbing, and mountaineering (in a smaller extend), are popular
in Europe.

Tuan.
From: zlsiirk@uts.mcc.ac.uk (R. E. Kruz.)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Don Whillans books?
Date: 29 Jul 92 08:23:05 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

In article <1992Jul28.172428.18193@Princeton.EDU> wohfuchi@splash.Princeton.EDU (Wataru Ohfuchi) writes:
>>In reference to "carefull with that ice axe" Eugene's post:
>>
>[l/m 6/22/92] References                Distilled Wisdom (28/28) XYZ
>>--------
>>	    Did Don Whillans write anything?  Has anyone else written a
>>	    biography
>>	    on Don Whillans?  Anyone know?  I've never heard of one, but
>>	    would
>>	    be interested.  'Enquiring' degenerates need to know ....
>>
>>	    --

Yes he did! It was called "Don Whillams, Portrait of a mountaineer"
It was a joint book with some geezer whose name I forget, who by the tone of the
book has transcribed conversations he's had with Don. Each chapter starts with
a brief description of an event in Don's life and then off Don goes into a no
holds barred monologue. It's a very good book, full of his wit (very dry) and
his "take no shit" attitude. God, he was a hard bastard!

Unfortunately it's out of print and paperback copies are getting harder to
find in specialist shops.Last price I heard was about 50 quid (Pounds Sterling)
for a copy.
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Route Info (Tahquitz/Suicide)
From: mtemple@calstatela.edu (Mark Temple 12-10-90)
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:54:28 PDT
Reply-To: mtemple@calstatela.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: Cal State University, Los Angeles

In article 92Jul24101414@aspen2.cfsat.Honeywell.COM, timsc@hwcae.Honeywell.COM (Tim Schneider) writes:
> 
> Posted for a friend of mine
> 
> Dale is interested in any comments (good/bad/otherwise) on the
> follwoing routes at Tahquitz and Suicide.  If you have any info, or
> have done some of these routes, any comments would be appreciated.
> 
> Tahquitz
> 
> Sahara Terror 5.7  
    good route 
> Whodunit      5.9-
      clean line. bood belays. varied climbing. a real classic
> The Swallow   5.8
     three stars in my book. if you want a measure of how good
     the early climbers were, do it in sneekers or hiking boots.
> The Step      5.9
> The Jam Crack 5.7
> Fred          5.10d
> Traitor Horn  5.8
     long route with only one spectacular 30 ft. section, great photo op.
> 
> Suicide
> 
> Season's End  5.11b
> 
> 
> thanks in advance,
> tims
> 
> 
> --
> tim schneider                       honeywell air transport systems division
> ph: 602.436.3078 fax: 602.436.2252   po box 21111 ms k26e2 phoenix, az 85036
> email: timsc@hwcae.honeywell.com  or  uunet!asuvax!hwcae.honeywell.com!timsc
> 

mark temple
email: mtemple@mars.calstatela.edu


Xref: sparky rec.climbing:2580 rec.backcountry:5575
From: fry@tara.harvard.edu (David Fry)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing,rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Cairns, Flags, and Fixed Wands
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:17:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Jul27.141714.14223
Organization: Harvard Math Department


I consider the cairns part of the environment and not a distraction.
I know I'm very, very mad when I go hiking and see children idly
knocking them down while their parents say nothing.  In addition to
marking the trail, they mark the people who were there beforehand.
They carry a history.  I realize some may want to forget the people
who were there before, but if you've just walked over the mountain
does it ruin it for the next?  Of course not, and they probably didn't 
ruin it for you.

In Iceland, paved roads are a rather recent luxury.  They just put the
roads down in the same general paths followed for centuries by people
moving between villages, so as you drive along the road, you can see
cairns dotting the landscape, sticking out of the cooled-lava scenery.
I thought this added something wonderful to the experience.

David Fry                                  fry@math.harvard.EDU
Division of Applied Sciences               fry@huma1.bitnet
Harvard University                      ...!harvard!huma1!fry
Cambridge, MA  02138            
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: rahul@hfglobe.intel.com (Rahul Ravel)
Subject: Query - Idaho Climbing area
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:44:45 GMT

Hi all,

A few years ago I climbed at an area in Idaho that
had some moderate (2-3 pitch) sized granite domes.

It was about 1 hour from the town of Lewiston and
was located next to a river (not the Lewiston river
I think).

I don't recall the name of the place and I would
like to re-visit it (great climbing!).  I know
I haven't given much of a description but I remember
tow of the routes: Fat Albert (5.8), where you
had to climb underneath a flake; and Midnight
Fright (5.9), which went from an offwidth to
a thin seam.

Any insight/info is appreciated.

-Rahul

rahul@hfglobe.intel.com

"Only my own opinions here"


Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: short people
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:15:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.002832.2352@igor.tamri.com>, anne@igor.tamri.com (Anne Smith) writes:
 > 
 > I believe from both personal experience and observation of top climbers
 > that being short is not only not a handicap but is probably a tremendous
 > advantage, particularly on "real" rock.  The "comfort" we shorter
 > folk get is a really fun sport we can learn to do very well!  Consider
 > the following:
 > 
 > (1) The shorter you are, the better the strength to weight ratio
 >     you are likely to possess.  Ants climb better than elephants.

True, and this is my one advantage.  I can do as many pull-ups as
Tom Brokaw.  

 > (2) Shorter people tend to have better agility -- consider the average
 >     height of gymnasts, both male and female.  

I think you've got it backwards.  I think that people who are more agile
tend to be shorter, but not all short people are made of rubber.  Even
though climbing has helped my flexibility and balance, I still can't
touch my palms to the floor without bending my knees.

[Stuff about short Lynn Hill and Robyn Erbsfield deleted.  Note that
Isabelle Patissier's 5'8" though.]

True story:  I was at the gym with Esther, waiting for her to tie in,
and watching a guy stretching by the bouldering area.  "Look," I say,
"that guy just put his foot practically on top of his head!"  Esther
looked and replied, "Oh, that's Christian Griffith."  (Incidentally,
he's probably >6 ft. tall.) 

I agree with Eileen that being short forces you to learn technique
better and sooner, since you can't "cheat" with reach.  And I agree
with Anne that it may be easier to climb 5.13 if you are short.  But
I think it is easier to climb 5.9 if you are tall.  If you are not a
"good" climber (balance, flexibility, guts) it is harder for you if
you don't have the reach.   

-- 
/\        Ilana Stern DoD#009 | Whoever first said, "Things are seldom as they 
  \_][    ilana@ncar.ucar.edu | seem," was wrong.  Things are usually as they
      \_______________________| seem.  Otherwise, they wouldn't seem that way.
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Rock Climbing... bungee jumping???
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:42:44 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

Try jumping out of perfectly good airplanes.

In article <Bs5356.487@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca
(Commander Brett Maraldo) writes:
>Is falling really that hard? :-)  

Classic answer: it's not the fall, it the sudden stop at the end. 8^)

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  Craters 3
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: allen%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson)
Subject: Re: climb sport lingo
Date: 24 Jul 92 12:53:34 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

eric@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Hirst) writes:

>A couple other sport climbing terms:
>Low-angle - Anything less than 95 degrees.
>Run-out - The bolts are more than 5 feet apart.
>...

Rodeo-Clip - While hanging off of a bolt you pull up a bunch of rope and
flip it up to the quick draw clipping the rope through a biner.

Yellow-Point - A no falls top-roped ascent, or

Yellow-Point - A climb where you were so scared you almost pee'd your pants.

Brown-Point - similar to Yellow-Point except for more severve consequences.


Of course the latter never happen on sport routes since they are always
so safe.  I mean, gee wiz all those bolts nice and close together.



Allen R. Sanderson

Salt Lake City, Oootah


"Pucky lads, a wee bit over their heads"

	Doug Scott after encountering two climbers
	on Denali suffering from exposure.

Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc,rec.crafts.textiles
From: buchanan@matagh.ncsu.edu (Bob Buchanan)
Subject: Machine knitting yarn
Originator: buchanan@guest2.math.ncsu.edu
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:21:27 GMT


I have a Brother 940 knitting machine and am unable to find machine
knitting yarns locally.  I am interested in any quality mail-order
companies which have yarns suitable for this machine, especially
natural fibers.  If you know of any mail-order houses please send
their name, phone, and address to me via email.  If there is
sufficient interest I'll summarize for the net later.

Susan Buchanan
c/o
-- 
Bob Buchanan
buchanan@math.ncsu.edu
Math Dept, NCSU Box 8205, Raleigh, NC 27695-8205
From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Re: Abalone inlay - quest for adhesives
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:57:03 GMT
Reply-To: chris@unicorn.resun.com
Organization: Metalogic, S.a r.l.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v3


In article <24JUL199205113014@ovro.ovro.caltech.edu> (rec.crafts.misc), cws@ovro.ovro.caltech.edu (Cur Seeliger) writes:
> 
> Folks,
> 
>    I'm starting to loose it... patience that is.  I just got a ring I made
> a bit ago for a friend back, as the segments of abalone shell were comming
> loose.  This is the second time I've tried to do inlay, and both times the
> adhesive bonds failed.  The first time I used cyanoacrylate (super-glue),
> and just now silicon adhesive has been shown to be worthless.

My first reaction is have you tried using an epoxy?  Many glues are
just not designed to deal with bonding something to metal.  Check the
back of the glue to make certain it can deal with the materials you are
bonding.  Another thing which may be causing things to not grip is
whether the metal and shell are smooth.  Most glues I've tried need to
have smooth surfaces roughed up just a bit.  This gives the glue
something to grip.  The other side of this coin is that the two
surfaces that you are bonding together need to have as much surface in
common as possible.  In other words if there are large portions where
the shell curves differently from the metal the glue may not be able to
fill the space and you will have a weak hold.  (I had problems with
this when trying to reattach a handle of a side window that had
chipped.)
> 
>    Dagnag it all!  Do I have to rivet the stuff into the silver, or what?
> Has anyone had better experience with shell inlay on metal?

The other way of doing this would be to use a wide enough bezel so that
you could roll some over the top edge of the shell.  


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Escondido, California       Think but this, and all is mended,
ncr-sd!blkhole!chris  or    That you have but slumbered here,
chris@unicorn.resun.com     While these visions did appear." Puck
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Subject: Re: Abalone inlay - quest for adhesives
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:22:11 GMT

In article <24JUL199205113014@ovro.ovro.caltech.edu> cws@ovro.ovro.caltech.edu (Cur Seeliger) writes:
>Folks,
>
>   I'm starting to loose it... patience that is.  I just got a ring I made
>a bit ago for a friend back, as the segments of abalone shell were comming
>loose.  This is the second time I've tried to do inlay, and both times the
>adhesive bonds failed.  The first time I used cyanoacrylate (super-glue),
>and just now silicon adhesive has been shown to be worthless.

I don't know about shell and metal, but the rearview mirror in our minivan
is just glued onto the windshield (!!!!!).  When it fell off (what a surprise)
we used some glue from Bordens (smallish tube, claims to glue nearly
everything) to glue it back on.  It's still there (knock wood) after a couple
of months....
From: david@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Leadlights
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:38:03 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

I have recently become interested in making leadlight window panels.

I've repaired two old panels and made a small diamond pattern window,
all for installation in our house. I made a small piece with lots of
curves to get used to more intricate cuts.

Now I'm not a 'crafty' person, though I have for the last 3 years been
building our mudbrick house.

But this leadlight craft is fascinating. Can anyone comment on techniques
they are using that may be 'arty' or leading edge?

Cheers   David
-- 
David Taylor_______Phillip Institute of Technology Computer Centre
Plenty Road___Bundoora___Victoria___3083___Australia___(03)4682621

"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars"
                                                     - Oscar Wilde
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
From: cretney@cbnewse.cb.att.com (joseph.e.cretney)
Subject: RUBBER STAMP SUPPLIES????
Organization: AT&T NETWORK SYSTEMS - Network Software Center - Lisle, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:46:02 GMT
Keywords: Looking for sources


Hi,

I'm not sure where to ask this question, so I'll start with this
news group.  I'm looking for sources for rubber stamp supplies.
You know, things like stamp resins, stamp handles, trade magazines
with supplier addresses and so on.  I'm not looking for places that
make stamps, only places that sell supplies.

If you could e-mail your responses, I would be happy to post a
summary to the net.

Thanks in advance....

Joe Cretney
att!nwsca!cretney
From: cisaacs@ka.novell.com (Colleen Isaacs)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Whitewashing pine
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:25:16 GMT
Reply-To: cisaacs@ka.novell.com (Colleen Isaacs)
Organization: Novell, Inc., San Jose, Ca


Hi,

I just purchased an unfinished pine bed that I would like to whitewash.
I don't know the first thing about whitewashing.  Is there anyone with 
experience that can give me some tips on how to do this?

Thanks,

Colleene
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
From: cws@ovro.ovro.caltech.edu (Cur Seeliger)
Subject: Abalone inlay - quest for adhesives
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:11:00 GMT

Folks,

   I'm starting to loose it... patience that is.  I just got a ring I made
a bit ago for a friend back, as the segments of abalone shell were comming
loose.  This is the second time I've tried to do inlay, and both times the
adhesive bonds failed.  The first time I used cyanoacrylate (super-glue),
and just now silicon adhesive has been shown to be worthless.

   Dagnag it all!  Do I have to rivet the stuff into the silver, or what?
Has anyone had better experience with shell inlay on metal?

   Thanks,

	cur Seeliger
	cws@ovro.caltech.edu

Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
From: mstern@lindsay.Princeton.EDU (Marlene Stern)
Subject: Crafts Boutique to Benefit Foundation
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Keywords: Crafts
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:33:50 GMT


I will be holding a craft boutique fundraiser in my home on Saturday and  
Sunday, August 15 and 16, from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. to benefit the Lazar  
Foundation for Juvenile Laryngeal Papillomatosis.  My 2 year old daughter  
suffers from this incurable disease in which tumors attach the inside of her  
larynx, vocal cords, and trachea, and she must undergo surgery every three  
weeks in order to keep her airway open.  Lindsay has undergone 10 surgical  
procedures since her diagnosis November, 1991 and currently has surgery every  
three weeks at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.  Below is a press release  
that will appear in our local newspapers.  

Event:  Fundraiser crafts fair to benefit Larzar Foundation for Juvenile  
Laryngeal Papillomatosis

Date:  Saturday and Sunday, August 15 and 16, 10 a.m. to 4 p.m.

Location:  50 Wesleyan Drive, Hamilton Sq., N.J.  08690

A crafts fair fundraiser on Saturday and Sunday, Aug 15 and 16, may bring a  
breath of fresh air - literally - to children suffering from a rare and now  
incurable disease that can lead to suffocation.

The Lazar Foundation for Juvenile Laryngeal Papillomatosis will benefit from  
the sales at the crafts boutique hosted by Marlene and Bill Stern at 50  
Wesleyan Drive, Hamilton Sq., NJ.

Those seeking beautiful crafts and gifts will find handmade jewelry, dried  
flower arrangements, hand painted adult and children's clothing, dolls, silk  
scarves, leather handbags and belts, portrait painting, and much more.

The Sterns have a particular interest in the disease Juvenile Laryngeal  
Papillomatosis, because their 2 year old daughter Lindsay is afflicted with  
this painful disorder.  Characterized by wart like tumors attacking the inside  
of the larynx, vocal cords, and trachea, the disease requires continual surgery  
(every three weeks for Lindsay) to remove the growths which if left untreated  
can cause death from suffocation.

Please join us for a fun weekend, and help us to help the children breathe.   
For information and directions, please call The Sterns at 609-890-0502 or
email mstern@pucc.princeton.edu


Crafters:  If you have an item that you would like to donate, we would be most  
appreciative.  If you would like us to sell your crafts, please give us a call  
at the above number and we will give you the details.  
Thank you.  Marlene Stern
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc,rec.crafts.textiles,alt.sewing
From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Subject: Re: Things to see in Toronto
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:01:25 GMT

I'll be in Toronto next week.  Do you all have suggestions as to must-see
crafty things there?

Thanks.



Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
From: tartaris@hsi.com (Bob Tartaris)
Subject: Drying hydrangea...
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:40:23 GMT

My wife and her sister have been trying to dry hydrangea without much success.
Have any of you been successful at this.  If so, could you post or e-mail the
process you used.

Thanks,
Bob
-- 
Robert P. Tartaris                                 tartaris@hsi.com       
3M Health Information Systems                      ...!uunet!hsi!tartaris  
100 Barnes Road			                   (203) 949-6411          
Wallingford, CT 06492                                     
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
From: sharonl@sco.COM (B. Baggins, at your service.)
Subject: Potter's Wheel For Sale
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1992 22:35:28 GMT
Keywords: Buy Buy Buy


This is a kit wheel (assembled) which has been sitting in the
garage for years.  $100 with an auxillary electric motor, $50 without.

Call:  (408)427-3356
       (408)426-8750

Or respond to this email:  sharonl@sco.COM
Xref: sparky rec.crafts.misc:587 rec.crafts.textiles:1373
From: phillips@lonestar.utsa.edu (Wendy J. Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc,rec.crafts.textiles
Subject: Dyes
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:00:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

I just got my Fall 92 issue of _American_Quilter_ (from American Quilters
Society).  I know a lot of people were looking for reputable dyes....

      Dyes for wool, cotton, or silk....
      Pro Chemical & Dye, Inc.
      Dept AQ
      P.O. Box 14
      Somerset MA 02726
      (508)676-3838
           They offer a free catalog & information
           Also advertised is that their dyes are all for room temp - no
           boiling or steaming.

      I've never hand-dyed, so I can't comment on their reliability, but I
      thought that I'd post this as a possibility....

Good luck, and keep 'em in stitches...
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
From: barb@ufycorp.Unify.Com (Barbara Kane)
Subject: Re: Whitewashing pine
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 19:44:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.192516.3476@novell.com> cisaacs@ka.novell.com (Colleen Isaacs) writes:
>I just purchased an unfinished pine bed that I would like to whitewash.
>I don't know the first thing about whitewashing.  Is there anyone with 
>experience that can give me some tips on how to do this?

I was very happy with my finished product; here's how I acheived that look:

I experimented on the underside until I got the exact look I wanted.  I
first applied a dark wiping stain and wiped it off immediately to bring out
the grain in the wood.  I then applied a white wiping stain, left it on
for awhile, and wiped that off.  After it dried (which was very quickly), I
varnished it - can't remember what kind, I think it was an oil varnish.

Good luck!
Barbara Kane					              (916) 928-6380 
Unify Corporation				          Fax (916) 928-6410
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