From: chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: real fascism / Wayne Goes (Circular) Ballistic
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:45:09 GMT
Distribution: talk
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.

In article <1992Dec22.1777.21453@channel1> "wayne mcguire" <wayne.mcguire@channel1.com> writes:
>To: Chris Metcalfe
>
> CM> Nice try Wayne, but you have zero credibility left.
>
>A response this pathetic is not going to convince many people,
>other than your fellow true believers who have been reduced to
>chanting mantras about anti-Semitism whenever confronted with
>unanswerable questions about Israeli policies, that you have the
>credibility to judge anyone else's credibility.
>
>I haven't seen a single substantive post from you in this
>newsgroup. You certainly haven't posted any effective responses
>or arguments to the clips I posted.

[unrelated stuff about HAMAS expulsions deleted]

What?  No bouquet before the argument starts?  Last post Wayne
complimented my potential literary talent:

>I really enjoyed your Nazi beer garden message. I mean that
>sincerely: it was quite amusing, and you may have a touch of
>literary talent.

That is called "throwing a bouquet" in debating technique.

Today, Wayne is *angry*.  This is what Wayne does when he gets
angry: he switches Channels!  In defense against the accusation 
that he lied about receiving hate mail from Ira Kaufman he 
completely ignored the issue and did not answer Ira.  Instead he 
launched into that vicious attack on "emotional supporters of 
Israel" that warned them to prepare for a "rude shock."  
[Included below.]  That's what brought me into Wayne's world.

Now he has tried to attack my credibility on the suject of 
the HAMAS deportations and his "clippings posts," subjects 
I have not written about on USENET.  I have to apologize
to readers for Wayne's circular reasoning here.  Who is
credible to judge who's credibility?  Wayne = .NOT.  I'm sorry
that Wayne is trying to devolve this thread into a bandwidth 
shredder.

Wayne, you obviously have not been reading my discussions with 
Ilyess and Mazen about the HAMAS Covenant, in which we have been 
bringing up source texts and discussing Islamic principles in an 
interesting exchange.  If I may say so, I think my posts have 
been substantive and effective.  If you *have* read my other 
posts, then you have lied again about a fellow participant 
on t.p.m.  I you *have not* you are simply ignorant in your
attacks on a fellow participant in t.p.m.  Credibility losing
altitude...

>We've been finding out some real fascists in recent days, and
>curiously enough you seem to be in their political camp.

Ah, searching out those undesirables Wayne!  Joe McCarthy
could not have come up with a better line...

Sorry Wayne, the fact remains: you have zero credibility left.
All I have to do is keep re-posting the quote below.  You wrote
the words.  Now you must live with them.

Time to phone home, guy.  

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-- Chris Metcalfe

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[previous outrageous post from Amature Channel 1 that
demonstrates the zero credibility clause:]

I was going to say that I'm not sure what Wayne is talking about
when he veers off of the subject of his hate-mail accusation
against Ira Kaufman to make this speach:

>Every time that an emotional supporter of Israel raises his or
>her voice against an American citizen in this fashion, they are
>hastening the day when the U.S. will wash its hands of Israel
>altogether. With every foul word that comes from the mouth of
>people like yourself, the will to disentangle the U.S. from
>Israeli affairs is being steeled. You and your comrades may be
>deriving an immediate emotional gratification from your verbal
>violence, but when the bill comes due for your lapse in
>judgement--and I guarantee you that day is not far off--you may
>be in for a rude shock.

But let's put Wayne properly in perspective in his Brown Shirt
on a box in the beer-garden:

Every time that an emotional supporter of Israel raises his or
her voice against a German citizen in this fashion, they are
hastening the day when Germany will wash its hands of Israel
altogether. With every foul word that comes from the mouth of
people like yourself, the will to disentangle Germany from
Israeli affairs is being steeled. You and your comrades may be
deriving an immediate emotional gratification from your verbal
violence, but when the bill comes due for your lapse in
judgement--and I guarantee you that day is not far off--you may
be in for a rude shock.

Your *will* is *steeled* for the *shock* indeed.

Seig Heil Wayne!