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From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: "Traditional" Medicine v. Objective Proof
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:47:26 GMT
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.

In article <15748@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>In article <54479@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
>>
>>What do you think traditional medicine does?  It is not so rash, but
>>it is still basically the same.  The chiropractors ignore everything
>>but the nerves going through the spine.  The MDs largely ignore any
>>nutritional information because they cannot accept that it could be
>>an important factor if it is not known.  
>>
>Baloney!  There are scientific studies being done on nutrition all
>the time.

Just for the record, the idea that chiropractors ignore everything
but the nerves going through the spine is also baloney.  (I think Herman
has a good point, though.)

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Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
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From: mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington)
Newsgroups: sci.med,misc.kids
Subject: Geckos; was: Re: Spider bites and children
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:37:10 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Jul30.190455.13173@oakhill.sps.mot.com> amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.014746.14399@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington) writes:
>>Even one gecko loose in the house virtually rids it of insects.
>Please make sure you do not already have a cat--my cats adore to play with/
>spear on a claw/chew on geckos and other lizards.  When the geckos come
>to the windowscreens at night, the cats cry because they want to play
>with the geckos.  I have rescued more than one gecko from my cat, and
>found others dead.  Cats may eschew roaches (mine don't) but they
>certainly will love a gecko.

Ah, you need bigger geckos, then.  Tokay geckos, for instance.
Almost as big as the cat...  :)



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From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: FDA still at large
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:32:31 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <h2mm4m_.sss@netcom.com> sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions) writes:
>In article <15854@pitt.UUCP> 
>	geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>
>>I suppose it was homeopaths and chiropractors that discovered the
>>benefits of a low fat diet in heart disease?  But what do you do
>>with people who have clogged arteries already and are about to
>>die from them?  Too late for them to try the low fat diet.
>>Just let them croak?
>
>Maybe...compare the cost of the bypass, and all comcomitant therapies, with
>granting basic health care to 100 people.  Bypass surgery will improve
>quality of life for some individuals (surgeons, in particular), but it
>is very expensive (even at the tenfold reduction in cost over the last
>ten years).

"OK, Mr. Jones, we've decided that instead of giving you your bypass,
we'll just confiscate your $20,000 and use it to provide basic health care
to 100 homeless people.  You won't be needing the money anyway
where you're going."  Do you see the problem with this?







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Subject: Re: Questions for MDs
From: dfield@zeus.calpoly.edu (Daniel R. Field)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:36:07 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <BrKFyz.6FB@wpg.com> russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence) writes:
>
>From article <_v-m=gm@lynx.unm.edu>, by bhjelle@triton.unm.edu ():
>bh> An attorney won't sue someone if there is no money to be made.
>bh> Period.
 
[STUFF DELETED]

>bh> A physician decides to treat or not treat based upon a
>bh> number of considerations, but most prominantly whether you
>bh> will benefit from the treatment. 

[DELETED]

>Is it really true that physicians and dentists in the USA care
>more about their patients than they care about money?  Is it 
>really true that they base their decisions to treat or not to 
>treat predominantly on the basis of patient benefit without 
>regard to the money involved?

...

>bh> Unpaid care is far more common in medicine than in any of the
>bh> professions you are comparing it with. But with the above
>bh> attitude, how do you expect the physician to pay his/her staff?
>bh> His bills? Time for you to come to earth, Karl.

>Is this true?  I know literally dozens of attorneys who regularly
>perform "pro-bono" work.  At the moment, however, I can't think of a 
>single physician or dentist who regularly treats indigent patients,
>apart from those who are hired to do so by charitable clinics
>and hospitals.
>
>-- 
>Russell Lawrence, WP Group, New Orleans (504) 443-5000
>russ@wpg.com   uunet!wpg!russ

Here in San Luis Obispo, California, there is a community group made up
of physicians, students and other volunteers called the Flying Samaritans
who do just that.  They provide health care and surgery to people who
don't have access to it ordinarilly, due to financial or geographical
problems.  These people do this as a for personal reward, not financial
recompense.  

They are not the only ones.  Not by far.

                                 -Dan Field
                                  dfield@nike.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Liver disease
From: Raymond.Miller@p0.f10.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Raymond Miller)
Date: 10 Jul 92 14:05:07 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/10.0 - Med TechNet/WNY Mic, Buffalo NY

I have been told by someone that the daily ingestion of Coca-Cola 
(or similar products) in excessive amounts over a lengthy period of 
time can cause the human liver to become diseased and no longer functional 
after a period of time. Can anyone substantiate this or disqualify it for me. 
I drink a considerable amount of Coke on a daily basis and have for over 
thirty years. Now I am concerned. I have got elevated liver enzymes that I am 
aware of. All help appreciated.
             Raymond Miller / Amherst New York



 

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From: Rick.Ellis@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Side Effects of Deet N,N-dimethyl-meta-toluamide
X-Sender: newtout 0.01 Jul 13 1992
Date: 28 Jul 92  15:29:49

On <Jul 27 15:29> Dennis Allison writes:


 DA> I'm curious about known side-effects in humans of Deet,
 DA> N,N-dimethyl-meta-toluamide, a commonly used insect repellent.

It smells and tastes terrible.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: yarvin@cs.yale.edu (Norman Yarvin)
Subject: Re: Weight/appearance of professional models; Re: Obesity...
Originator: yarvin@turquoise.CS.Yale.Edu
Organization: Yale Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:01:01 GMT

yarvin@cs.yale.edu (Norman Yarvin) writes:
>Paul Fussell has described his own experience bodybuilding in the book
>"Muscle".

Oops.  Wrong author.  The last name is correct, but not the first, which I
don't recall.
From: doyle+@pitt.edu (Howard R Doyle)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re:  colonic irrigations
Keywords: alt medicine
Date: 25 Jul 92 14:23:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pittsburgh Transplant Institute

In article <debbie.5@dl45.jsc.nasa.gov> debbie@dl45.jsc.nasa.gov (Debbie Lewis) writes:
>>>kmarco writes...how healthy can it be to retain putrified food refuse?
>>dyer writes...you don't
>
>OK, so what do you recommend as a preventative for someone like my
>co-worker who suffered from a ruptured colon.  His doctor said that 
>it was caused by a build-up of fatty deposits from his very high fat
>diet.  These fats blocked his colon and it eventually ruptured.
>
>dfl

I would like to think that your co-worker's doctor was using artistic
licence when he said this. If he (or she) actually said this.

The colon can certainly rupture from obstruction. This usually happens
at the level of the cecum (where the colon starts), and most of the time
it is due to an obstructing tumor. Ogilvie's syndrome can sometimes lead
to this, and there are other assorted conditions that may be implicated.
"Build-up of fatty deposits from a very high fat diet..." is not one of
them. My goodness, just think, if that were true very thirty seconds
someone would pop his gut somewhere in this country.

---------------------
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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: bhjelle@vaxine.unm.edu (Brian Hjelle)
Subject: Re: virus/retrovirus
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 22:32:27 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Jul24.134442.9382@bradley.bradley.edu> larry@bradley.bradley.edu (Larry D. Stratton) writes:
>
>   Could someone explain the difference between a virus and
>   a retrovirus?
>
A retrovirus is just a type of virus. Viruses consist of nucleic
acid (DNA or RNA) which serves as their genetic material.
Many different strategies exist by which viruses reproduce (replicate)
but the aspects of retroviral replication that make them distinctive
are that they have an RNA genome which is converted to DNA
by reverse transcriptase, a viral enzyme. The DNA genome then
inserts itself into the host cell DNA using another viral
enzyme called IN. The inserted viral DNA is called a provirus.

The provirus is the template for further cycles
of production of infectious retroviruses. Cellular enzymes
transcribe the viral DNA into RNA, and other cellular enzymes
convert the RNA into viral proteins.

Sorry this question has such a complicated answer but it is
not sufficient to simply state that retroviruses have an RNA
genome (many other viruses use RNA), or that it has reverse
transcriptase (similar enzymes can be found in hepadnaviruses
or even in yeast). It is the above replicative strategy that
makes retroviruses unique.

Brian
From: tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Hand shake
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:03:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: bb1t.1992Jul22.140341.4303
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <7758.2A618321@stjhmc.fidonet.org>, Pete.Mcdonough@p0.f100.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Pete Mcdonough) writes:
> What would cause the hands to shake and body feel weak after skipping 
> breakfast and lunch, except for three cups of coffee?  I was up at 5 am and 
> this occured at 2 pm.
> Just Curious

Probable scenario:

Hypoglycemia (low blood sugar).  Your blood sugar was low from not having
eaten.  The caffeine in the coffee caused your body to use up some reserves
while also causing a rapid rise and then fall in the blood sugar.  If this
happens again, eat a small balanced meal and rest for an hour or so.  To 
ignore the "warning" your body was giving you could cause you to pass out.

BTW, this sometimes happens to me under the same circumstances.

  TED FEUERBACH   Scientific Systems Consultant  Trilogy Consulting, Inc. 
  Lake St. Louis, MO        (314) 537-6603       tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
  Disclaimer:  The opinions expressed herein are MY OWN and obviously not
  the opinions of Trilogy, Monsanto or either of my two ex-wives.           
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: Re: Colonic irrigations
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 05:56:59 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.
Keywords: alt medicine

>In article <15858@pitt.UUCP> km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:
>>Oh my goodness. Now I suppose we are in for the ultimate in
>>PC politics. What shall we call these people who stick
>>familiar objects into unfamiliar spaces so that we do not
>>offend them?

>This reaction of yours makes me think of the word "asshole", but not in
>the way you envision.  


Gee Ken, My opinion of you just ratcheted up a couple dozen notches.
I still think you're dead wrong regarding your opinion that health workers
should be forced by law to treat AIDS patients, but hey, anyone called an 
asshole by Dwyer has to be a saint.

John
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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: 60 Minutes-Heart Disease & The French
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:26:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.161721.4860@dircon.co.uk> uad1214@dircon.co.uk (Peter Cox) writes:
>
>
>A recent "60 Minutes" programme featured (I hope these
>names are correct) Kurt ELLISON (from Boston) Serge RENAULT
>and Monique ASTIER-DUMAS (from INSERM).
>
>The theory being propounded was:  Despite the high level of
>fat consumption in France, they suffer far less from CHD
>than Americans.  Reason advanced:  Americans drink more
>milk, whose calcium greatly aids in the uptake of serum
>lipids.  Also, wine consumption helps lower lipids.

A more likely reason is that Americans consume much more sugar.

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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: yarvin@cs.yale.edu (Norman Yarvin)
Subject: Re: Weight/appearance of professional models; Re: Obesity...
Originator: yarvin@turquoise.CS.Yale.Edu
Organization: Yale Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:01:52 GMT

geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>  When people go to these extremes, the facial
>fat is also lost and the faces on these guys (and girls) look
>skeletal.  They look like someone who has AIDS.

Paul Fussell has described his own experience bodybuilding in the book
"Muscle".  He only achieved the 'shrinkwrapped' look just before the time of
the contest.  He did this by extreme dieting, so much that he was physically
weak, and had to be helped into the car that took him to the contest.

>  How this 
>has happened to people who started out wanting to be fit and
>healthy is a mystery to me, but it is a type of pathologic
>obsession, as far as I can tell.

Fussell didn't start out wanting to be fit and healthy.  Nor did he want
female companionship.  He was living in New York City when he took it up.
He wanted armor.

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Xref: sparky sci.med:14874 alt.drugs:13833
From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Newsgroups: sci.med,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: "Qi" and marijuana.
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:48:51 GMT
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA

In article <156k2aINNm49@cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes:
>-*----
>In article <1992Jul29.092348.23625@newshost.anu.edu.au> (David Tomlinson) writes:
>> In the Chinese model of medicine, there is a energy channel
>> that runs from the base of your neck to your tailbone.
>> MJ burns "qi" or energy or life-force or whatever you want
>> to call it from this channel. The effect is twofold on heavy
>> dope smokers. 1) They all have lower back problems ...
>
>
>Is there *any* empirical evidence that marijuana smokers suffer
>more from lower back problems that do others? 

It wouldn't surprise me if there were.

Have you ever been in a college dorm where marijuana was being smoked socially?
Slouch city.  For hours on end.

-dk
Newsgroups: sci.med,talk.politics.drugs,pnw.general
From: Scott.Maxwell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Scott Maxwell)
Subject: Re: FDA still at large
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:27:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.041036.16207@fylz.wa.com> fyl@fylz.wa.com (Phil Hughes) writes:

>Today AMA approved doctors use poison chemicals, radiation and saws to
>"treat" cancer.  This is considered the norm.  The "proper" treatment.

It worked for me. I had cancer. Those AMA-approved doctors cured it. Unless of
course you think it's a coincidence that the cancer just happened to go
away as soon as the radiation started.

[ ... drivel deleted ... ]

>I am not a doctor but, having worked on other hardware, I can
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ No kidding.
>understand how poison or sawing off an afflicted body part could
>"cure" a problem in that part but I would not call this science.

Why not? They test it. It works. They use it.

>But I am very impressed with those who feel that we need to address
>causes of diseases instead of treating symptoms or sawing off body
>parts to "solve" a problem.

I don't imagine it takes much to impress you.

Incidentally, you "use" scare quotes "too" much.

>As a person I feel I have the right to select whatever method of
>"treatment" that I want.  I have no problem with a testing agency
>(like Consumer Reports) collecting statistics and offering me decent
>information on various treatments but I still feel I have the right to
>select whatever treatment I want.

Agreed, and echoed. As far as I'm concerned, you have every right to visit
any damn quack you please, and I don't like the AMA or anyone else
interfering in that decision. But, folks ... those AMA-approved doctors
have a pretty good record. 

>Phil Hughes - FYL - 8315 Lk City Wy NE - Suite 207 - Seattle, WA 98115 

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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Subject: Re: Fluoxetine and bulimia
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 16:16:20 EDT

In article <lamontg.711966705@milton> lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul23.211551.1@amherst.edu> akcobb@amherst.edu writes:
>>>I was under the impression that fluoxetine was being administered
>>>to bulimics, with some success.
>>
>>I understand that fluoxetine (as well as many other unrelated
>>antidepressants) has been shown to be useful in some instances.
>
>I'm running entirely off of what I recall from research done several
>months ago, but I believe that bupropion (Wellbutrin) was the anti-depressant
>that was having the most success and use in treating bulima.  I don't
>recall seeing fluoxetine as being shown as effective in it, but it certainly
>might be used.
>

It is NOT bupropion - bupropion induced seizures in bulimic patients
treated with high doses back in the early 1980s, and this delayed the
FDA approval of the drug.  Bupropion is now thought to run a slightly
higher risk of seizures than other antidepressants, but all
antidepressants are very mildly proconvulsant.  Steve Dyer is right
about fluoxetine - it works well for many patients, and its efficacy
may be somehow related to its antiobsessional effects.  The
antiobsessional tricyclic clomipramine has had mixed results in
treatment of bulimia, however.

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From: sendall@dxpt01.cern.ch (Mike Sendall)
Subject: Re: Another reason to quit smoking
Reply-To: sendall@dxcern.cern.ch
Organization: CERN (European Laboratory for Particle Physics)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:08:32 GMT


In article <24821@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM>, wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) writes:
|>TOBACCO SMOKE CAN CAUSE TOMATO PLANT PROBLEM

|>the Tobacco Mosaic virus, ... is not killed by the burning of the tobacco in |>a cigarette or cigar

This must be quite some virus :-)
From: Berger@cup.portal.com (Mark - Berger)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: "Bodyworks" software disappoints (attempt #2)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 00:13:32 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa


I bought the software for no particular purpose.  I am a consultant/clinical
specialist/instructor etc. in the field of surgical blood recovery and
blood conservation techniques (in surgery).  I was kind of hoping to print 
some limited things to use in training materials, but I didn't really expect
to have great results, since I have the black and white HP Deskjet. You lose
some detail and utility without color.

Thanks to all for the tip on Deskjet/Laserjet compatibility. I did try to 
print HP graphics, but only got nonsense characters.  I haven't really put
much time into this yet, so I'll let y'all know if I figure it out.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Liver disease
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:38:45 GMT

In article <7489.2A5D36F6@stjhmc.fidonet.org> Raymond.Miller@p0.f10.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Raymond Miller) writes:
>I have been told by someone that the daily ingestion of Coca-Cola 
>(or similar products) in excessive amounts over a lengthy period of 
>time can cause the human liver to become diseased and no longer functional 
>after a period of time.

That was RUM and Coke.

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Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: progeria "aging disease"
From: Robin.Salmansohn@f715.n273.z1.fidonet.org (Robin Salmansohn)
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:29:31 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:273/715 - Alternative Lifesty, Wyndmoor PA

>from: usul@auc.UUCP (Ron McBay)

 RM> I have another layman's question about this 
 RM> "aging disease" (progeria?) where
 RM> kids die of "old age" by the time they're 14.  
 RM> There's this thing about how
 RM> the cells in your body are constantly 
 RM> regenerating so that after about 7 years
 RM> you've had a complete turnover of new cells throughout your entire 
 RM> body, right?
 RM> So that a 70-year old has gone through 10 
 RM> "cycles" of cells in their lifetime.

 RM> So my question is, for these kids who die at 14, 
 RM> are they 10 "cycles old, like
 RM> someone who would normally die of old age at 70, 
 RM> or are they only 2 "cycles"
 RM> old?  Do they have speeded up "cycles" or 
 RM> metabolisms or anything? Do they
 
You do not run out of Mitochondial DNA. (There are causes for cellular death, 
such as Reyes sydrome). You will suffer cellular death when you die, but short 
of a few problems, you do not actually run out as if it was a gas tank. Your 
DNA can be altered, destroyed (Mitochondrial DNA, or otherwise, but you don't 
'run out of DNA' as it is an instruction set).


 

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