From: jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (J. Furr)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.food.cooking
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.food.breadmachines
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:29:13 GMT
Organization: Virginia Center for Lemur Fandom, Blacksburg, Virginia, USA (subscribe to alt.fan.lemurs TODAY)

In article <1993Jan6.210023.14983@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>In article <1ifd8eINNreq@gap.caltech.edu> roder@cco.caltech.edu (Brenda J. Roder) writes:
>>dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu (Donald R. Newcomb) writes:
>>
>>>Why not just have a rec.food.bread or rec.food.baking? You can discuss
>>>all forms of bread or baking without having a group for some fad machine.
>>>However, I'm open to change. Convince me. Why don't you start with an
>>>alt group and see how long the enthusiasm lasts?
>>
>>One thing not mentioned is that the main impetus for this group proposal is
>>the shutting down of a 600 member mailing list.  I would say that shows a
>>certain amount of existing traffic and approval.
>
>Brenda, listen to us:  what you say above means *nothing*.  Why?  Because
>until a CFD for rec.food.baking or rec.food.breadmachines appears in
>news.announce.newgroups, the clock on discussion doesn't start ticking. 
>
>Furthermore, you can't just state that the mailing list existed, ergo the
>group would have a lot of support.  Facts mean very little in news.groups.
>Save your energy, send off the CFD, and when the CFD appears, *then* begin
>listing the reasons as you see them for this group coming into being. 
>
>Don't just say "a=b, so there".  Say "Since a=b, it seems to me that this
>group would have a lot of readers."  Then, when someone flames your
>conclusions, answer back rationally and logically.  Just saying "hey,
>there was this big mailing list, therefore the group would do well"
>reminded me immediately of the bozo who posted a CFD saying "there have
>been poems written in the Urdu language for thousands of years, hence a
>rec.arts.poems.urdu newsgroup would do well."  
>
>Among the questions that the faithful readers of news.groups are going to
>want answered are:
>
>1) will the group have enough support?  Probably, but let's go on.
>2) Is this the best name for the group?  Um, this is just my opinion but
>       if you try to name the group rec.food.breadmachines, it's gonna go
>       down in flames.  Try rec.food.baking.
>3) Is there some other newsgroup that could handle this traffic so we don't
>       have to create another newsgroup?  I dunno, IS there?
>4) Should the mandate for the group be widened so as to take in a few
>       related subjects?  Or narrowed so as to keep it from being TOO broad? 
>       Hmm, perhaps we should discuss that.
>
>And so forth, and so forth.  But as I said above, none of this counts
>until the CFD appears, and the CFD must be posted through official
>channels or the news admins whom you want to have carrying your group
>aren't going to recognize it.  
>
>Read the periodic posting "how to create a new newsgroup."  This is all
>discussed there.  Look in news.answers and news.announce.newusers for it.

Jeez.  Weird hash appeared at the top of this post so I cancelled it and
reposted this version of it.
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