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From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: MLB Standings via E-mail Available
Date: 24 Jul 1992 17:32:56 GMT
Organization: Joseph TeleCommunications Enterprises; Berkeley, California, USA
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Via: JTC Enterprises Major League Baseball Department (Statistics Division)
     JTC Enterprises News and Information Department (Sports Division)

I have been posting updated Major League Baseball standings daily since early
June. I have noticed that many people do not necessarily access the USENET 
rec.sport.baseball newsgroup daily so I decided to make them available through
e-mail. I guess it would be much faster this way.

I have a mailing list of 35 people right now and if you would like to be in
it please send me your e-mail address. You should be receiving the updated
standings the day after I receive your letter.

I post and e-mail the standings from Berkeley, California, USA which is seven
hours behind GMT. I try to have them updated by 9AM (PAC), 12PM (EAST), and
4PM (GMT).

Send any replies to jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu. Thanks.

Just my little contribution to fellow baseball fans around the world!

Joe Hernandez (avid Dodger fan stuck in Northern California)
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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Commish Goes to Bat vs Cubs
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:23:31 GMT

The Cubs had scored with a preliminary injunction barring the Commish from
moving them to the NLWest.

Now the Commish has appealed to the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals to overturn
the injunction. A decision could come as early as tomorrow.

And the legal maneuverings continue faster than Jim LeFevbre can yank a tiring
pitcher.

--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com) Sing it: "You're my Cubs!"
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From: sybesmer@uther.calvin.edu (Eric W Sybesma)
Subject: Indians have the Twins' number?
Summary: Do the Indians have the Twins' number???
Keywords: Twins and Indians
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:56:36 GMT

Last night, the Indians pounded the World Champion Twins 5-1,
which was interesting enough considering that Cook was
pitching for the Tribe.

Now, the Twins have not lost two games in a row since June 16,
which indeed proves their consistency.  However, I just heard
that Cleveland is up on Minnesota 4-0 in the second.  Could
it be that the Tribe suddenly has found the Twins' secret 
and neutralized them?

	I doubt it.  Look for the Twins to win 7-5 with some
8th inning heroics.

		just a prediction,          
					Eric Sybesma 
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From: comm.mot.com!stanm@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: YEEEESSSSS!!!!!
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:44:00 GMT
Organization: Motorola
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After watching the Cubs put together a pitching clinic on the Reds 1-0,
I flipped the cable box from WGN to SportsChannel to see how Rick
Sutcliffe was doing against the White Sox. It didn't look good in
the 7th. By the time the 8th came around I stopped watching, but
left the TV on to continue playing PTP. Down 7-2 and the Sox basically
looking like the Cubs offensively, what else was there to think?

Meanwhile, the Sox started their eruption that left Sut w/o a win,
the O's pen in a shambles, and the Sox with an 8-run inning, good
enough for a 10-7 win.

Life is good again in Chicago.

--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com)
From: king@cogsci.ucsd.EDU (Jonathan King)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Mr. Subliminal says:  "twg"
Keywords: Medic!  Annnnnrrrrrcccccck.  Cang...Can...C..C..
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:17:51 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Electric Pancreas Huckabay) writes:
>Nnnngh.  (twitch)  If the A's weren't about to ship off their entire
>roster of players under 30 to San Diego for Bruce Hurst, I might just
>laugh this off.  As it is, I have this visage of a new ad campaign
>from Gillette....
>
>"Hi!  We're the Oakland Athletics!"

Man, is this scary.

>"I'm Carney Lansford!"		; third base
>"I'm Dan Gladden!"		; left field
>"I'm John Cangelosi!"		; center field <cough>
>"I'm Spike Owen!"		; shortstop
>"I'm Mike Bordick!"		; second base
>"I'm Don Mattingly!"		; first base
>"I'm Bob Welch!"		; hurler
>"I'm Tim Wallach!"		; um, not a right fielder, I'm afraid

Looks like you've got a problem here with rightfield, and there is
remarkably little help.  If you don't mind taking a chance on the
walking wounded, you could probably pick up Dale Murphy for Todd Van
Poeppel.  Otherwise, you'd have to settle for a Todd Benzinger to be
named later...

>Bruce Hurst?!  For half a season?  For Chitren, Armas, Neel, and Fox?

Hey, groove it!  Actually, I think you'd get next season, too.  But
I could be wrong.

>[biting analysis deleted]
>
>Why do it?  Write off this season, Sandy.  Trade SOMEONE big for two
>decent prospects under 23 years of age.  And shoot the rotation.

What's wrong with the rotation?  You've got Welch, and Darling, and, uh,
Moore, and Kelly Downs, and, hmm.  Tapemeasure Nelson or that spunky new
Campbell kid.  Don't bother shooting 'em--just watch them get knocked
down by line drives through the box!

jking
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From: miked@cis.ohio-state.edu (Michael Davey)
Subject: Cub Bashing
Originator: miked@pterodactyl.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:07:09 GMT


>All right, first I will be reasonable before I spew some emotion laden 
rhetoric.  It makes no sense for the Cubs to be in the East and the Cards in 
the West.  It is clearly in the best interest of baseball for realignment to 
take place.  As far as rivalries go, the cubs will keep their traditional 
rivalry with the Cards and only intesify their hatred for the Dodgers, have an opportunity to revenge their `89 playoff defeat to the Giants, and develop new
rivalries with the Padres and the Astros.  As far as T.V. money is concerned, 
if the scedule is balanced, the handful of extra games starting on the West 
Coast at the probable new mandatory starting time of 7:00 will not eat into
the profits of WGN enough to cause such a stir.  Now, what is going on here
is typical ignorant corporate america freaking out at the slightest hint
of a possible decline in profits without rationally looking at the big picture.Further, who cares about WGN!  I am not being naive, I know perfectlly well
Ted T. would probably balk at moving the Braves if it affected WTBS's revenue
but the point is that these greedy, corporate, fascist,pig owners dont give a
damn about the game and care only for how much money there bastardized product
will make for them.  It is outrageuous that the owner of the Tigers moved 
profits from the Tigers to his other business interests and then complains 
that he can't cover Fielders salary and now wants to sell the team. Good 
riddance!  The ideal owners should run the team like a business and not be
wasteful or stupid but they should realize that the team is a sports team first
and the game is a tradition filled sport first and not a business first.  That
 is what amazes me about cub fans.  Most of them are yuppies who do not know
 shit about the game but go trade their box seats for bleacher seats in order
 to make the scene.  I know there are die hard, knowledgeable,
 baseball/Cubs fans outthere.  But even they will admit that there is a
 large number of fans at Wrigley every day who are there to be cool and
 wouldn't know a 6-4, FC from an infield hit if there BMW depended on it.  

--Mike D.--A new posting Reds/Tigers fan.
From: surrey_d@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Montreal Alou/Rojas
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:18:17 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

I  am still trying to find out when  Moises
Alou is coming off the disabled list and\
who is Mel Rojas' father?

Thank you
From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Spike Owen
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:56:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Factors of Ys, Inc.

In article <1992Jul21.035927.7041@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sager@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mike.r.sager) writes:
>
>Any Expos fans know how serious Spike Owen's injury is?

Owen is hurt?  Does this mean that Wil Cordero will be brought up?

-- 
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 dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu | Out of the manager's throat, the sound fundamentals,
 Prof. of Story Problems | Out of the six-month season..."            
 Member ORSA, TIMS, SABR | 	Walt "Lefty" Whitman
From: mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck McMath)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: What makes a great leadoff?
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:46:43 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Organization: MSD

Fuel to the fire:

Speaking of leadoff, in the current Baseball Weekly, the Cubs article has
something to the effect that Lefebvre can't wait for Sosa to get healthy
again, so he can bat Sosa leadoff.  They assert that Lefevbre isn't worried
about Sosa's 52Ks in 57 games (or something like that).  In fact, Lefevbre
is quoted as telling Sosa that "he didn't want Sammy to go up there acting
like a leadoff hitter - trying to get walks and all that.  He should swing
away."

Ohboy.  The thought of Sosa trying to be 'agressive' is beyond belief!

I am not making this up.

chuck

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From: gt0317c@prism.gatech.EDU (BHANSALI,ANIL P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Jeff Ballard
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:02:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Does anyone have stats on Jeff Ballard at Louisville? I think the NL is
starting to catch up to Donavon Osborne and he might need to spend some
time at Louisville

Thanks
Bonzo

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From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: All right, let's settle Stathead vs. Intangiblehead FOR GOOD.
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:33:34 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.baseball, zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Not Just For The Dead Huckabay) writes:
>
>How about a stathead softball game?  Pro-Stat versus anti-stat, nine
>innings of slow pitch, losers shut up forever on the topic.

Will this game be played on grass or turf?
Will the DH be allowed?
Will stats be kept for this game?
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From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma)
Subject: Any info on Tim Salmon?
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:37:12 GMT

 OK, here's the story. I just picked up Tim Salmon in my Scoresheet league
(yes I understand that perhaps this should be r.s.b.f but I'm interested in
his real life value) and I've looked at semi-recent stats where he is ripping
the hell off the ball (among the league leaders in HR, and a 370+ average to
go along with it). From 1991 minor league stats as well as 1990 minor league
stats, he seemed to be a pretty big prospect (they called him a "Dale Murphy"
level type prospect) but they said he was REALLY unpolished. He's not a geezer
by anyones standards (23 I believe) but not exactly a puppy either considering
Juan Gone-zalez, Griffey Jr.'s and Alomar (Robbie not Sandy's) age and current
ability. 
 So what can we expect from Salmon? Can he become a super player, or will he end
up as a Randy Ready?

					Gord Niguma
					(fav player: John Olerud)
					niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca
From: news@bmerh85.bnr.ca (Usenet News)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re:Jays Roster Moves
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:41:16 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.


>The Jays have called up two catchers from AAA Syracuse, Ed Sprague and
>Randy Knorr to replace Greg Myers.  There was no announcement of Hentgen
>being sent down to make room for the extra catcher.  Does anyone have
>any more info?  
>
>It is good to see Eichhorn back.   He is about as good
>as Ward, and is much better than the other middle relievers, except for
>Stieb, who has improved a lot in the last four weeks (we'll see if it
>continues).
>
>Phill

I believe I heard that Pat Tabler will be placed on the DL.
From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Yankees..Whats UP?
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:49:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Factors of Ys, Inc.

In article <SHIAO.92Jul28165622@foo.ans.net> shiao@ans.net (Dennis Shiao) writes:
>
>The Williams' (Bernie and Gerald) are both fine prospects. 

Gerald Williams is not any prospect at all.  The man is going to be 26 years
old in a couple of weeks.  He may be a decent role player for a few years,
but that's all you can expect.

Bernie Williams, on the other hand, is not yet 24, and has posted OBPs over
.400 at 3 different places in the minors.  He's for real.


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From: umeitzen@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Steven Eitzen)
Subject: Re: Jay Buhner
Keywords: DL
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:54:45 GMT

In <1992Jul21.035635.29078@athena.mit.edu> dmsu@athena.mit.edu (Danny M Su) writes:


>	Does any one know what happened to Jay Buhner? He has not played since
>the break.

I don't know if there's a problem with him now, but he did play in the
Toronto series. 

The Admiral
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From: mfrancis@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Homesick San Diegan Wants News on Padres
Reply-To: mfrancis@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:30:56 GMT

As the subject suggests, I have just made a move from San Diego
to "West Suburban" Boston.  I was wondering if anyone out
there (e.g. Prashanth, Dave, etc.) might be able to fill me in
as to what has been happening with the Pads lately ... like is
Riddoch still in there or what.

Thanks,

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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: MLB Standings and Scores for Mon, Jul 27th, 1992
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:54:00 GMT

In article <3878@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.183101.116@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul28.162536.6999@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>through all of Morris's starts this year, inning by inning, and showed
>conclusively that Morris is giving up those runs *before* the Jays score
>theirs.  Now are you claiming that
>
>	1. Morris is clairvoyant, and knows when his team is going to 
>	   score 8 runs in the late innings to bail him out?
>
>	2. Morris has a voodoo ability to improve the Jays' offensive
>	   performance when he needs it?
>
>	3. Morris's luck is really a telekinetic subconscious aura, and
>	   can be expected to persist in pretty much its present form?
>
>As far as I can tell, those are the only explanations that would allow for
>Morris's great W/L record to be his own fault.
>
>        David M. Tate        | "And that inverted Bowl we call The Dome
>   dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu   |  Whereunder crawling coop'd we field and bat,
>   Edward "Mike" Fitzgerald  |     Lift not your eyes to *it* for help--for it
>     from "The Ruthaiyat"    |  Will drop the tow'ring fly upon your hat."

Maybe he is just lucky, but the bottom line is that he wins a lot of
games. Without him, the Twinkies wouldn't have won it all last year 
and the Jays probably wouldn't be doing as well as they are this year.
Regardless of how "lucky" he is, I'm sure any team in the pennant race
would be happier than hell to have him.

And, no I don't want to start a big diccussion about it, but stats are
overrated!
From: dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Realignment question
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:18:44 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson


I was under the impression that realignment was supposed to save teams
travel money.  I can't understand this.  ESPN showed a graphic stating that
the cost of the Astros' 28 day road trip was something like $10,000.  
How much money is really going to be saved by, say, the Reds flying to
the West Coast 2 times instead of 3 per year?

Can someone help me out here?  Where is the big savings?

--dave
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From: dick1@hera.uucp (25443-vaughn)
Subject: Re: Another 'Fundamental' Loss the NYM
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 15:24:24 GMT
Summary: Mets' Poor Play Vexes Big Apple
	 No Big Moves Planned, However

In article <1992Jul21.040927.26075@afit.af.mil>, cscott@csc.afit.af.mil writes:

> What's the real story in New York?  Are there any moves being discussed? Is 
> the team up for sale?  (Who knows, maybe new ownership could help!)  Is 
> Torborg's job in danger yet?  

The real story in NY is confusion.
No one seems to have a handle on why the performance has been so poor.
In previous years there was bad management (from Cashen down to the
manager) and some bad apples on the team (McReynolds, Jefferies, Viola).
But this year figured to be different: new GM, new manager,
lots of new, quality plyers.  Which is why everyone's perplexed.

There have been small adjustments: Mackey Sasser's playing more,
Willie Randolph's playing less, HoJo played left for awhile,
but the sentiment (with which I agree) seems to be that (more)
major moves is not what this team needs.

The Gooden re-injury didn't help, but Saberhagen's due back tonight,
and Coleman (whose return could be huge) is due back soon.
And the Pirates *are* only six games ahead.  Although, with the way the
Mets are hitting, it might as well be sixty.

As ever: We Shall See.


Dick V.
From: jortiz@austen.helios.nd.edu (The Candyman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Alex Cole ...
Date: 21 Jul 92 04:58:56 GMT
Reply-To: jortiz@austen.helios.nd.edu (The Candyman)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame

...how did he end up with the Bucs? When did
it happen?  Who was traded for him? Wasn't
Cleveland going to build the franchise around
him?  (As I recall, they even changed the Stadium's
dimensions mainly because of him).

		Just wondering,

			
		The Candyman
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: RP/PA for AL and NL (More bogus RP stats)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:54:43 GMT

In article <BrrqEL.3K7@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> djohnson@cayley.waterloo.edu (David Johnson) writes:
>I don't think it is possible to compare a player playing in 1927 to a player
>in 1990 for the simple reason that baseball has changed so much.  It has
>changed in the way pitchers are used (How many relievers were around then),
>far fewer teams to share the quality pitching and hitting with etc.  Please
>use more current stats as I and most others can relate to them easier because
>I know that I was not around at that time.

Fine.  How about Jose Canseco of 1988?  He drove in 16.5% of his team's
runs, while Joe Carter of 1990 drove in 17%.  Do you really believe that
Joe Carter had a better season?

>runs.  If you wish this may be more effective to compare leadoff hitters
>with others leadoff hitters and cleanup hitters with other cleanup hitters
>etc. and i never said it was the perfect stat but RBI's and Runs depend
>too much on the players hitting around him. 

So how does dividing by the number of runs a team scores solve this problem?

> If you have improvements I
>would love to hear them but if you just want to try and explain why it
>isn't a good stat without improving it or giving suggestions on how to 
>improve it then just say you don't like it and leave the discussion about
>it.

(And somebody called me terminally condescending).

I'll give you a suggestion: abandon using anything with runs and rbis in it
to evaluate the individual contributions of the players.  You can divide by
anything you want, and it's not going to solve the fundamental problem,
only make small improvements.  Instead, look at things like Linear Weights
(ignoring the fielding stuff, which is flawed), or, if you want a simple
measure, check out OBA+SLG or Runs Created.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Any info on Tim Salmon?
Date: 25 Jul 92 05:23:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

> So what can we expect from Salmon? Can he become a super player, or
>will he end up as a Randy Ready?

His MLEs from Midland last year come out to .200/.278/.358.

So far this year, he is hitting .367/.475/.682 in the PCL in 318 AB.

Now, I don't know how to compute MLEs for that.  But estimating (using
Chris Cron's numbers from last year) I get a .317 BA, .400 OBP, and
.570 SLG.  If these numbers are for real, he is a super player.  If
not, he still looks pretty good.

Cheers,
-Valentine
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