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From: kilroy@orac.holonet.net (Robert A. Miroballi)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Re: Discretion
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:46:51 GMT
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem

Anu.Kapoor@launchpad.unc.edu (Anu Kapoor) writes:

>In article <21DEC199209383451@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov> isaacman@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov (Subvert the Dominant Paradigm! (301) 513-7769) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec21.123937.4840@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, macika@emunix.emich.edu (Dominic Macika (Asst. Lab Supervisor)) writes...
>>>"Discretion is the better part of valor."
>>> 
>>>Isn't there more to this quote?  And who is it?  I want to say Cicero, but
>>>that seems more like a wild stab than anything.
>>> 
>>The correct quote is "The better part of valor is discretion", and I 
>>believe it is from Shakespeare (Hamlet, I think....).
>>
>>Rich Isaacman
How about this, the better part of valor is discretion, but the better part
of discretion is cowardice (or fear, if you prefer).

RobM.
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From: schrey@oak.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Timothy M. Schreyer)
Subject: Re: History (was: a paradox)
Reply-To: schrey@prc.unisys.com
Organization: Paramax Systems
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:36:03 GMT

In article <Bzo7vx.E18@csn.org>, lucas@teal.csn.org (Rick Lucas) writes:
|> 
|> How about some Twain quotations?
|> 
   "There are three kinds of lies in this world --
    Lies, damn lies, and statistics" 
                         - M. Twain.

   Please correct for accuracy. :-)

-- 
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 Paramax Systems Corporation                 FAX: (215) 648-2288
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From: pcrayne@halcyon.com (Peter C. Crayne)
Subject: Re: Presidential quote (Bush/atheism)
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 22:07:57 GMT

In article <63060@mimsy.umd.edu> tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
>
>     RS: "Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of
>          Americans who are atheists?"
>
>     GB: "No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens,
>          nor should they be considered patriots.  This is one nation under
>          God."
>
It's a good thing that this newsgroup appeared after the pres. election.
Had I known about that I would not have been able to sleep nights! It
has always been my opinion that Bush is a lunatic, now I am convinced
beyond all doubt.

How about verifing another one? Before the election in which he won, I
saw a photocopy of a newspaper in which Bush was quoted as saying that
a Nuclear conflict (Read: world war III) could not only be survived, but
won. Anybody have the particulars on that one?

This just reinforces my belief that christian fundamentalists do NOT believe
that the seperation of church and state is a good idea. If they could
get away with it, they would eliminate it. (Although they wont admit it
to an athiest or agnostic).

-Pete (I can't stand religious psychopaths! :-)
pcrayne@halcyon.com

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From: drake+@cs.cmu.edu (Drake)
Subject: Re: Money (was: Abstractions)
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 04:57:12 GMT

>>>>	'Money doesn't buy you happiness.'
>>>>	No, but it buys a parking space pretty close.
>>>>
>>>    'Money doesn't buy you happiness,
>>>     Money *is* your happiness'
>>>
>>	'One thing about money, It doesn't make things worse.'
>>
>Or:  'Money doesn't buy happiness but it does buy a better grade of
>      misery.' 

People who say "money doesn't buy happiness" just don't know where
to shop.

Money can't buy happiness.  It buys things that make you happy.

(Old couple in run-down shack:)
Man: Martha, maybe before we die, we can be rich someday.
Woman: We've always been rich, dear; maybe someday we'll have money.

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From: pcrayne@halcyon.com (Peter C. Crayne)
Subject: Rodney King
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:54:19 GMT

"I think Rodney King said it best when he said: 'Ow ow ow ow..'"
-Dennis Leary

-Pete
pcrayne@halcyon.com
"He who hesitates is sometimes saved." -I don't know
From: bwalsh@math.rutgers.edu (Bertram Walsh)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Re: The devil and semantics
Date: 25 Dec 92 19:28:35 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

>In the book "Qu'est-ce que l'autorite?", philosopher J.M. Bochenski
>says this (I am freely translating from the french):

>The poet makes the devil say: "Keep to the words! Thus you will enter
>into the temple of certainty".

>Does anyone know to what Bochenski is alluding?

Possibly to the Roman maxim for authors _Rem tene, verba sequntur_ --
"Keep to the subject, and the words will follow" -- which I think is
attributed to Cato the Censor.

Bertram Walsh  Mathematics Dep't  Rutgers University New Brunswick NJ 08903
  Combien pale et exsangue est le _shit_ anglo-saxon en face de notre
  _merde_ omnipresant et triomphant!   -- Pierre Guiraud in _Les Gros Mots_
From: dji@atson.asahi-np.co.jp (David J. Iannucci)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Presidential quote (Bush/atheism)
Date: 25 Dec 92 05:44:33 GMT
Organization: ATSON, Inc. (a subsidiary of the Asahi Shimbun)

Speaking of presidential quotations, I read one on the net several years
ago attributed to George Bush.  It sounded kinda outlandish so I was
skeptical about it, but intrigued nonetheless.  It was allegedly spoken
at a press conference, when the president was making some connection
between religion and patriotism (the good kind, not the kind being tossed
about recently on this group :^), and was asked if he didn't consider the
patriotism of atheists to be just as valid as that of religious people.
It went something like this:

	"No, I don't think atheists should be considered patriots, or
		even citizens.  This is one nation under God."

Does anyone know if he really said this, or something similar?

--
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Gaijin-in-residence                     ATSON/Trans Cosmos Inc., Tokyo, Japan
(They move fast)*(They tell me)*(There's someone)*(Rainbows)*(Alternate Tune)
From: f35437c@saha.hut.fi (Aki Taskinen)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Re: Corny Quotes...
Keywords: Get A Life!
Date: 27 Dec 92 20:38:27 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

>They Drew First Blood.

"Letting the other land the first punch is bad strategy."
	- Sean Connery, "Family Business"
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From: almaguer@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (alejandro almaguer)
Subject: The Joker
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 07:09:18 GMT



"Never rub another man's rhubarb."   
                     Jack Nicholson as The Joker in Batman


Any more Joker quotes?  Please post.

Alex
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From: kencham@centi.cs.umn.edu (Deepak Kenchammana-Hosekote)
Subject: Graffiti (Cont.)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 20:33:18 GMT

Seen in the U of M. restrooms,

	I am a human peeing.

\gdeepak
--
Everything changes, looking through the eyes of the Kenchammana-Hosekotan.
From: mjd@saul.cis.upenn.edu ("[*] Just Another Upright Monkey")
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Re: Quotations regardin The Devil
Date: 22 Dec 92 04:40:13 GMT
Organization: Eaters of Wisdom
In-reply-to: chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu's message of 21 Dec 92 20:54:50 GMT


    I knew from the first that the Devil was my natural master and
captain and friend.  I saw that he was in the right, and that the world
cringed to his conqueror only from fear.
                -- Shaw, "The Devil's Disciple"
--

   Nihil tam absurde dici potest, quod non dicatur ab aliquo philosophorum.
Mark-Jason Dominus 	  			    mjd@central.cis.upenn.edu
From: steinman@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (Jan Steinman - Bytesmiths, 3946)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Re: Capitalism and Socialism
Date: 31 Dec 92 09:18:04 GMT
Reply-To: steinman@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG

In article 92Dec26123702@media-lab.media.mit.edu, mt@media.mit.edu (Michael Travers) writes:
>Under capitalism, man exploits man.
>Under socialism, it's just the opposite.
>
> (old joke)
..which I've seen attributed to JK Galbraith
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From: futtrup@daimi.aau.dk (Erik Futtrup S|rensen)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Re: Douglas Adams
Date: 31 Dec 92 12:03:21 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

My usual quote from 'The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul':

_______________________________________________________________________________
"Yes, it is true," he was saying, "that sometimes unusually intelligent and
 sensitive children can appear to be stupid. But, Mrs. Benson, stupid children
 can sometimes appear to be stupid as well. I think that's something you might
 have to consider."
                                Ralph Standish - Chief Consultant Psychologist
_______________________________________________________________________________
                              |                             |
-- Erik Futtrup               | Email: futtrup@daimi.aau.dk | 
                              |_____________________________|
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From: Dale@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Dale Gee)
Subject: Re: Dorothy Parker
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:23:37 GMT

Famous actress bragging about her husband:

"Look at him, isn't he beautiful I have kept him for seven years now"

Dorothy Parker:
"Don't Worry--he'll come back in style"
From: ns14@crux3.crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Nathan Otto Siemers)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Re: Famous Last Words???
Date: 2 Jan 93 21:18:48 GMT
	<1993Jan1.001423.10225@nntp.hut.fi> <1993Jan2.142841.22232@kth.se>
Organization: Department of Chemistry, Cornell Univ.

>>>>> On 2 Jan 93 14:28:41 GMT, d90-jga@nada.kth.se (Jan Garefelt)
 Jan> said: Nntp-Posting-Host: dront.nada.kth.se


 Jan> How about:

 Jan> -Don't you think I know what I'm doing?  -You and what army?
 Jan> -If you are so smart, why are you still a cop?  -You run, I
 Jan> stall them!  -It's just a scratch...  -I'll just close my eyes
 Jan> for a minute... (by freezing people)



	Yikes, how about.


	Uh Oh  - The last words from the Shuttle Challenger's crew.




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From: erick@fraser.sfu.ca (Erick Bryce Wong)
Subject: Re: Quote 'o the day
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 05:22:14 GMT

a-markov@microsoft.com (Mark Overby) writes:
>"Is it better to have loved and lost, or never to have loved at all?"
>	-- (Not me, but I can't place the author)

"I hold it true, whate'er befall;
   I feel it, when I sorrow most;
   'Tis better to have loved and lost
 Than never to have loved at all."
                     -- Tennyson, In Memoriam, XXVII

-- 
 -- Erick, the smallest number expressible as the sum of two distinct triangle
           numbers in two distinct ways.
From: cathye@cs.uq.oz.au (Cathy Ewald)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Irish blessings
Keywords: blessings
Date: 1 Jan 93 04:58:45 GMT
Reply-To: cathye@cs.uq.oz.au


To everyone who was interested in Irish blessings ,

Here is another one : 

May green be the grass you walk on
May blue be the skies above you
May pure be the joys that surround you
May true be the hearts that love you

I first saw this on a birthday card, for sale in Australia.

Cathy Ewald (cathye@cs.uq.oz.au) 
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From: drake+@cs.cmu.edu (Drake)
Subject: Re: if at first you [do|don't] succeed...
Keywords: succeed
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:17:19 GMT

newcomb@pops.navo.navy.mil (Don Newcomb) writes:

>>"If at first you don't succeed - reload."
>
>"If at first you don't succeed - fix bayonets"

If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.

If at first you don't suceed, try, try again.  Then give up.  No use
being a damn fool about it.

If a person never succeeds, how do you know they're trying?

If at first you don't succeed, try something else.

If at first you don't succeed, redefine success.



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From: dji@atson.asahi-np.co.jp (David J. Iannucci)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Mel Brooks
Date: 24 Dec 92 05:46:38 GMT
Organization: ATSON, Inc. (a subsidiary of the Asahi Shimbun)

Somewhere I'm pretty sure I saw this attributed to Mel Brooks (probably on
the net :^), but I can't say for certain.  Anyway, I like it...


	Tragedy is when I cut my little finger.  Comedy is when you
	fall into a sewer and die.


--
Dave Iannucci                                        dji@atson.asahi-np.co.jp
Gaijin-in-residence                     ATSON/Trans Cosmos Inc., Tokyo, Japan
(They move fast)*(They tell me)*(There's someone)*(Rainbows)*(Alternate Tune)
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From: fouts@bozeman.hpl.hp.com (Martin Fouts)
Subject: Operating the ejection seat:
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 23:26:53 GMT
Reply-To: fouts@hpl.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Labs


1) Reach between legs
2) Grasp firmly
3) Pull

(From the cockpit of a wwii US fighter...)

-- 
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novae erratae!
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From: deviass@ecf.toronto.edu (Deviasse Robert)
Subject: Irish Toast?
Organization: University of Toronto, Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 05:36:31 GMT

I remember hearing an Irish toast some time ago. I don't remember much
of it, but it had the following form:

  May you have enough (e.g. good times) that (e.g. you will have enthusiasm)
  May you have enough (e.g. bad times) that (e.g. you may be humble).

It had several verses that alternately wished both extremes on the listener
but always to the listener's benefit.

I know it is not much to go on, but and help will be warmly appreciated.

Take care,
     Robert

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From: joann@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Jo Ann Malina)
Subject: Re: Tolkien revised
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 02:59:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.230455.11771@news2.cis.umn.edu> rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu writes:
>
>Seen on a button:
>
>	"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for
                                     ^^^^^^^
>	 you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup."

I think that's "dragons."

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joann@unixhub.slac.stanford.edu  -or-  415/926-2846
Neither Stanford nor the DOE would be caught dead with these opinions.
Nor do they consult me when formulating theirs.
From: sven@cs.widener.edu (Sven M Heinicke)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Sleepy Hollow
Date: 23 Dec 92 02:38:20 GMT
Organization: Widener CS Dept
NNTP-Posting-Host: betty.cs.widener.edu


``However wide awake they may have been before they entered that
sleepy region, they are sure, in a little time, to inhale the witching
influence of the air, and begin to grow imaginative, to dream dreams,
and see apparitions.'' --Washington Irving, _The_Legend_of_Sleepy_Hollow

--
Sven Heinicke <sven@cs.widener.edu>
``Oooey GUI Rich and Chewy.''
 --Johnson & Reichard, _Advanced_X_Window_Applications_Programming_ (1990)
From: krishnam@corona.math.vt.edu (Ravi Krishnamurthy)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Re: Quotation source sought. Shakespearean I believe.....
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:59:28 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Mathematics Department, Virginia Tech, Blacksburg.

Heav'n has no rage, like love......

This quote is by William Congreve (1670-1729) and not by Shakespeare.

Ravi 
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From: toms@fcs260c2.ncifcrf.gov (Tom Schneider)
Subject: Thoreau
Keywords: castles
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research and Development Center
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:26:21 GMT

If you have built castles in the air do not despair;
build foundations under them.
  Thoreau

Does anybody know the exact quote and the exact reference for this?

  Tom Schneider
  National Cancer Institute
  Laboratory of Mathematical Biology
  Frederick, Maryland  21702-1201
  toms@ncifcrf.gov
From: aaj5096@hertz.njit.edu (Ali A. Jafry)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Life !!
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:16:08 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: aaj5096@hertz.njit.edu

here's one on life (sorry cannot remember the source.)

--
May there be enough clouds in your life to form a glorious sunset.


Ali.
-- 
"I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky, 
 And all I ask is a tall ship and a, star to steer her by."

                                              --- John Masefield
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From: ehp@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU ("Didi Pancake")
Subject: Re: Irish blessing
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:03:19 GMT

In article <1h7heuINNrmn@agate.berkeley.edu> chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien) writes:
>Does anyone know the complete sequence for the Irish blessing that begins
>"May the road rise up to meet you.. etc.?"

	May the road rise up to meet you
	May the wind be always at your back
	And may God hold you in the hollow of His hand.


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From: joann@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Jo Ann Malina)
Subject: Re: Discretion
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:53:12 GMT

In article <21DEC199209383451@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov> isaacman@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov (Subvert the Dominant Paradigm! (301) 513-7769) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.123937.4840@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, macika@emunix.emich.edu (Dominic Macika (Asst. Lab Supervisor)) writes...
>>"Discretion is the better part of valor."
>> 
>>Isn't there more to this quote?  And who is it?  I want to say Cicero, but
>>that seems more like a wild stab than anything.
>> 
>The correct quote is "The better part of valor is discretion", and I 
>believe it is from Shakespeare (Hamlet, I think....).

Henry IV, V, iv, 120. From my Bartlett's 14th. A footnote goes on to
cite:

"It show'd discretion the best part of valor." -- Beaumont & Fletcher,
"A King and No King" [1619]. So Shakespeare gave us the words and
B/F the word order.


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Nor do they consult me when formulating theirs.
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From: support@fy.chalmers.se (F-sektionens Entusiaster)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: HELP! Cicero Quote
Date: 30 Dec 92 10:39:36 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Univ. of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden


I wonder whether anyone knows the Latin form of a quote by Cicero:

      "Anyone who has got a book collection/library and a garden
          wants for nothing."

                        (This is translated from Swedish...)


                                              -Merriwyn
From: slouie@ocf.berkeley.edu (Shelley Louie)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Re: Oh, lighten up!
Date: 2 Jan 93 22:46:39 GMT
Organization: Bat Radar Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

> anna@psych.toronto.edu (Anna Filippone) writes:
>Yeah, I agree.  Heard this one the other day by comedian Lean Delarea:
>
>   "I'm not really a lesbian -- it's a career move."

"Help! I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body."
		-Unknown

-Shelley Louie
My other account is on a Cray...
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From: a-markov@microsoft.com (Mark Overby)
Subject: Quote 'o the day
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:48:24 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation


"Is it better to have loved and lost, or never to have loved at all?"
	-- (Not me, but I can't place the author)


"Love is much like a wild rose, beautiful and calm, but willing to draw
blood in its defense."

	-- Mark A. Overby
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From: scindia@IASTATE.EDU (Shekhar K Scindia)
Subject: Re: Capitalism and Socialism
Reply-To: scindia@IASTATE.EDU (Shekhar K Scindia)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 18:22:07 GMT

         SOCIALISM IS CAPITALISM OF FEW !
From: kbeal@amber (Ken Beal)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Re: Slick Willie
Date: 22 Dec 1992 17:45:49 GMT
Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Roger Phillips (roger@quantime.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec21.204854.3444@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
: Chuck.Lavazzi@launchpad.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi) writes:
: > does anyone remember the exact quote and source for
: > the line about patriotism being the last refuge of the scoundrel?
: 
: "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
: -- Samuel Johnson (1709-1784),
:    Boswell's _Life of Johnson_, vol. 2, p. 344 (6 Apr 1775)

I'd like to take exception to this, as well as Asimov's quote from his
_Foundation_ series that:

	"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."

While they >sound< great, they are both grammatically incorrect (or, I am
reading the wrong thing into them, which could be the case but I doubt it).

If X was the "last refuge" of Y, then wouldn't it make sense that Y would
try >everything else< before trying X?  I.e. it is their "last resort," as
it were?  This would be giving Y much more credit than Y deserves (i.e.
the quotes are trying to show that Y is wrong/a fool/an idiot, and my
grammatical interpretation of them shows that Y will exhaust all options
before trying X).

It would be much better worded "X is the first refuge of Y", would it not?

Just a thought.
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From: schwartz@alfred.carleton.ca (Saul Schwartz)
Subject: Simple one
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:09:32 GMT

Does anyone know the quotation to the effect that explanations should
be made as simple as possible but no simpler?

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