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From: ac579@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (G.C.J. Timm)
Subject: Re: Buy American parrots (was Re: 1991 Lincoln Continental.)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 13:47:21 GMT


Please, don't blame the unions for American Industrial Problems.

Unions are a dying breed (except in the public sector where union
janitors mop the floor in the childrens cafeteria once a week and
get $75,000 a year for it.  Hey, you vote these Professional
Politicians in, you get what you deserve.)  Good companies don't
need unions because they don't need collective barganing and they
don't need to exploit labor (as the Democrats and other Commies
say) because everybody has their salary tied directly to the
profits of the company.

BRAG MODE ON.

I'm from Ohio and the NON-UNION workers at Marysville Honda
produce the best quality cars in the world!  See consumer
reports "two minor sample defects"  not even Lexus did that!

But, the UAW shops (Without the DREADED WORK RULES provisions)
in Normal IN and Flat Rock MI do almost as well.  I don't
know about the Camry line in TN.  Does anyone have a comment?

Jeff
From: koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: '92 Suburban
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:02:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego

In article <1992Apr8.134840.3547@newstand.syr.edu> ravalent@rodan.acs.syr.edu writes:
	[ someone else wrote ]

>>[someting about the 92 sub. motor being a "neanderthal"]

>Just cause it's old, don't mean its bad.  The chevy V-8 is one
>of the better truck motors around.  The 350 in my 71 pickup finally
>departed at 345,000 miles.  I'd take one ANY day.....

can't disagree...  with a heavy-duty vehicle, the principle of 'K.I.S.S.' is
always better than 'techno-wonder-supremacy'...  oh, by the way --
	K.I.S.S. == Keep It Simple, Stupid

Walt K.
From: barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM (Mark Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Fabulous New RX7
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:25:56 GMT
Reply-To: barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: vavau.corp.sun.com

It may look, handle, and perform fabulously, but it surely doesn't  fit in my
wallet fabulously.  I saw one at a dealer yesyerday.  The sticker was $34K.
The dealer markup was $10K.    44 Thousand Dollars?????     I thought
Mazda was going to start a *new* brand name (Amati) to go up-market.

The RX-7 used to be the best selling sports car in the US.   No more.

Pardon me while I bey at the moon.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark               "When no one can tempt you with heaven or hell
                    you are a lucky Man." -- Oh! Lucky Man (movie)
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Waxing my spiffy new paint
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:23:10 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

I just bought a brand spanking new truck. It has shiny glossy
paint, and I want to keep it that way. What do I do?

How do I wash it, dry it, wax it, care for it in general?

How about the chrome? The tires? The rather shiny rims?

How about the interior?

All discussion or mail is welcome.

Charles


-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier)
Subject: Re: Best Dashboard; Most quiet ride; Nominations?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:06:36 GMT

tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:

>In article <3793@wet.UUCP> butch@wet.UUCP (Butch Katigbak) writes:
>>
>>I am changing my car and would appreciate recommendations from the net
>>on which cars excite them most in terms of 
>>
>>Dashboard Design and a quiet ride.

>dashboard design?


>is this a joke?
>as for quiet, try an S-class mercedes if you've got the dough.
If you don't have the dough try a Caprice.
From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Engine Braking - what causes it?
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:34:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

In article <15op02qG10SD01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, kls30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L Shephard) writes:
|> I've been listening to this and boy you are a mess.
|> 
|> 1. Large diesels don't experience the braking force that cars do simply
|> because a diesel truck is so damn heavy and has so much momentum.
|> It takes a lot of force to stop a huge truck, remember F=ma.

That's why my 5000 lb truck with a diesel has NO engine braking to speak of while
my 5,000 lb truck with a gas engine had a fair amount of engine braking.

|> 
|> 2. The atual throttle plate doesn't cause the engine to break or slow
|> down.  The side effect of the throttle plate closing does.  Namely lack
|> of air and no fuel to burn.  No fuel burning = no go.

You're getting closer now.  With the throttle plate closed, the engine cannot pull
air in to mix with the fuel.  I'm not familiar with gas FI systems, but carburetors
still meter gas during decceleration so there is a rich mixture to burn.  It's the
lack of air (low pressure approaching vaccuum) that does in fact slow the engine down.

|> Also compression does slow the car down.  Less air = less fuel.  This
|> also means a super lean mixture which is hard to ignite.  If you can't
|> ignite the mixture you lose power because there is nothing to force the
|> piston back down except inertia.
|> 
|> 

There is essentially no difference between a deccelerating compression stroke and an
accelerating compression stroke.  Tell me how an engine decides when to use the
compression stroke for braking and when to use it for compressing without braking.


-- 
Alan Hepburn           "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain
National Semiconductor       a little temporary safety deserve neither
Santa Clara, Ca              liberty nor safety."
alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Benjamin Franklin
From: raa@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (richard.a.asamoto)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: RECYCLE YOUR ANTIFREEZE (Info for green-people).
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:16:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr5.163844.20464@menudo.uh.edu> kevin@taronga.taronga.com (Kevin Brown) writes:
>In article <6097@npal.rn.com> plind@npal.rn.com writes:
>>Please consider purchasing recycled antifreeze (ETHYLENE GLYCOL). Appx.
>>70% of private use is discarded into environment. (Over 300 mill gallons
>>a year)	 WIN-WIN-WIN <-> If you u recycle you save up to 80% over new AF;
>>you eliminate toxic waste disposal and you keep cleen consiousness!!!
>>
>>Write:	NATIONAL ANTIFREEZE RECYCLERS ASSOCIATION
>>	ATTN: CHAIRMAN PUBLIC INFORMATION COUNCIL
>>	P.O. BOX 3368
>>	c/o DanAm ENVIRONMENTAL, LTD.
>>	3940 Corliss St.
>>	Indianapolis, IN 46217-3368
>
>Is this stuff recyclable?  There are a number of things that aren't...
>
>I suppose you could yank the ethylene glycol out of the old antifreeze, but
>I wonder how much damage to the environment you'd do in the process?
>
...

On Motorweek they showed different machines that garages
had to reclaim the ethylene glycol from the antifreeze. 

In our area, Jiffy Lube accepts old oil and antifreeze.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Japanese auto industry
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 07:58:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.121127.17156@acsu.buffalo.edu> bphdarcy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (SJ Roc D'Arcy, MBP) writes:
>The Democrats in congress are trying to push through a bill that prevents
>companies (such as Catapillar) from firing striking workers.  Can't say
>I've seen a stupider law (or one more unconsitutional) in a while.

be careful saying stuff like "unconstitutional".
economic due process/equal protection has been dead since
the mid-30s.  and as far as i know, the supreme court has no
interest in reviving economic due process.
(short explanation: in the heyday of economic
due process, the court invalidated all
sorts of economic legislation on the grounds that there was a liberty
of contract implicitly guaranteed by the constitution.  the legislation
invalidated was stuff like minimum wage legislation, child labor
statutes, price controls, social security, and stuff like that.
this is no longer true.  probably due in part to the great depression,
the court took economic due process and killed it dead.
in my view, economic due process would be incompatible with
the modern welfare state.)

i doubt the court would be likely to strike it down.
the standard to be applied would probably be whether the
law had a "rational relationship to a legitimate government objective."
this is a minimal standard of review and i don't think there are
*any* cases (that have not been overruled) in which economic equal
protection has succeeded.

by the way, note that what i said above does not mean that i
think the law should be passed.  as for seeing dumber laws,
i'm not so sure about that.  how about about that proposal
(discussed in this group) to require using replacement parts
from the manufacturer?  for the record, i'm not so sure that
it's stupid to prevent employers from firing striking workers.
there, you have it.  my position on this is "maybe".
i have a problem with everbody putting the blame on the workers
when the management is pulling down obscene salaries and laying
off people at the same time.

-teddy
From: tonya@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Tony Arnerich)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:25:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Auto press - who do you trust?
Organization: HP Scientific Instruments Division - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

In rec.autos, pflikk@wam.umd.edu (Paul Glen Flikkema) writes:

>  Yes, I know this is not news to many of you, but there are probably
>  some who think that journalisitic objectivity is universal
>  in the auto press.

On a similar note, many local newspapers that have automotive columns
have bowed under pressure from dealers to remove all negative comments.
Many papers have been faced with bankruptcy as the alternative, since
they can't afford to turn away *any* advertising lately. Finally the
local dealers have a big stick to wield, and that is exactly what they
are doing, to the detriment of your access to useful information.

Exercise for the reader:

Ask yourself how long C&D or R&T would last without those big glossy ads.

tonya@hpldsla.sid.hp.com
From: sh50+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sam Hui)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Are all Americans Stupid ??
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:24:21 GMT
	<1992Apr15.202206.9162@scott.skidmore.edu>
Organization: Junior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Jason  writes:
>	And just how is it that you come to the conclusion that UK
>driver's ed is somehow better than it's US counterpart when you have
>not taken both?  Thanks for showing us how logical reasoning works
>over there.
 
				- Jason Reiser

Dear Mr. Reiser,

If you read my orginal posting and used a bit of brainpower, you would
see that England is my permenent home. Therefore, would it not be
logical to assume that I have a British driving licence. And how did I
get that licence...Well..I went through drivers ed and...I took a
driving test.
********extract from original posting:********
> Firstly, I have had the privelage of driving in both the UK and the US
> since my permanent home is in the UK and I am currently studying here in
> the US (3yrs).

 If you read on further, you will notice that I mention I am currently
studying in the US and since I drive here as well, I had to go through
the same procedures to get a US licence.
 Also, I would not be dumb enough to speak on this subject if I hadn't
experienced both sides of the coin.

I hope this clears up your misconceptions on this matter.

Best wishes

-Sam
From: bhjelle@vaxine.unm.edu (Brian Hjelle)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: American engines oversized,underpowered ?
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:53:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.g61j!+#
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <181118@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>   
>   Of course the British tend to forget that America has 50
>   states....better than half of which are larger than the entire
>   islands.  Little buzz-bomb engines get a might tiring after
>   a 400 mile cruise across Nebraska.  Heaven help you should try to
>   go from Denver to Grand Junction Colorado in a mouse-powered car.
>
Yes! Of course! Your car should, in general, be sized in proportion
to the state in which you reside. In New Mexico (5th largest state),
we are forced to drive rather large pickup trucks, always empty,
that get about 14 mpg highway. In Alaska, only a tractor-trailer
will do. This is all perfectly logical.

On the East coast, people generally drive golf carts and mopeds.

>   And remember that Japan is an even smaller area than the British
>   Isles.  

This has always baffled me. Should the Japanese drive cars appropriate
for the size of their *country* (say a Honda Accord) or appropriate
for the size of their particular island (Geo metro, lawn mower,
 or go-cart)?

>   And if that still doesn't convince you, bring that little
>   squirrel powered sedan over here and drive from San Francisco to
>   Reno...then from Reno to Vegas, then up to Grand Junction
>   Colorado to Denver.  Then head for Albuquerque....if you haven't
>   put it out of it's misery by then...

Which brings up another point. What *is* the minimum acceptable
engine size for a particular altitude? Should we make that
decision based upon the hundreds of stalled, smoking hulls of
Toyota Tercels encountered in mountain passes, or should some
really arbitrary engine-sized cutoff be enforced for certain
elevations?

Just curious.
Brian
:-)
From: genet@hplsla.hp.com (Gene Taylor)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:27:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Goodyear service experience
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

I would call the Goodyear shop and explain what I found to the service
rep/mgr.  If they make good on it with little/no effort on my part, I
know they are a shop that backs up their work.  If not, then I would
turn up the heat.  Even if I eventually got them to fix it at no extra
cost to me, I doubt I would return there while that management was in
control (I take names and keep track).

Everyone makes mistakes.  Not everyone that makes mistakes is trying
to cheat me.  I try to give everyone (that makes this kind of mistake)
a second chance.  The guy that screwed up the threads on your van
probably knew what was happening when he did it.  That doesn't mean
he can't be corrected or that everyone there is as bad as he is.

Assuming the worst propagates a negative reality.

-Gene
From: zampicem@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mike Zampiceni)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:12:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Experience purchasing 1992 VW GTI 16v (long)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.autos

Try posting your questions to rec.autos.vw. For that matter, why don't
you post the entire article to that notesgroup. A lot of people would
probably be interested in your experiences.

Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
From: rjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald Jones)
Subject: Re: HKS Turbo Kits
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:26:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.112722.3940@bb1t.monsanto.com> rghoff@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
>In article <johnson.702604630@wrs.com>, johnson@wrs.com (David Johnson) writes:
>> frank@terapin.com (Chun Li) writes:
>> 
>>>I have heard from my friend that HKS now makes Turbo systems for CRX/Civic Si
>>>that will push the engine to about 200hp AND California legal.  Is this true?
>> 
>
>Something to consider....You'll need to switch to lower compression pistions.
>Seems like they need to drop down to 7.5:1 or so. I think your 1.6 is
>probably sitting closer to 9.5:1 or greater.
>
>If you've got a standard transmission, you'll probably need a different
>clutch also.
>
>Why not just get nitrous? It'll give you 50 to 75hp, plus it cost alot
>less.
>
>Rick.
>
Why not try both. Nitrous does wonders for Turbo Lag. It also cools
the intake air charge increasing the effective boost. I have both
on my VW GTI and it does wonders! (and its still together after
103,000 miles) of course thats a VW :-)
>
>


-- 
 < Ron Jones                             E-mail:   rj+@osu.edu  > 
 < The Ohio State University             Office: (614) 292-1665 >
 < Columbus, Ohio 43210                  FAX:    (614) 292-7151 >
From: jsb@ecl.psu.edu (GREG GRANVILLE)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Turbocharger VS. Supercharger.
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:06:25 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

In article <1992Apr8.042718.22321@julian.uwo.ca>, mlesch@csd.uwo.ca (Mike Esch) writes:
> In article <gt2t7th@rpi.edu> stiegg@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Gregory Mark Stiegler) writes:
>>koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz) writes:
>>
>>>well, quick vocabulary reminder...  any device which forces an engine to inta

[ bickering about correct definition of superchargers, etc deleted]

>>And I suppose you refer to detonation as Thermal Preignition of Combustables
>>many of us here don't want a college symposium here...there is a differnce,
>>most of us are practical, not theoretical.
>>
> 
> This is rec.autos.tech...not rec.autos.practical (a.k.a. rec.autos).
> I find many of the postings/responses very useful and interesting.
> 
> Just my 2 cents...
 
And my 2 cents...

I find MANY postings here to be useful and interesting also. I don't
find such ego-driven nitpicking to be of any practical value. I've 
seen this identical "vocabulary reminder" posted previously, and I
also continue to see the term "turbocharger" used in MANY technical
journals, trade publications, and automotive magazines. Most OEM's
of both automobiles and the device in question refer to the device 
almost exclusively as a "turbocharger". That's good enough company
for me. If using a more functionally descript term makes someone
feel more technically and verbally adept in the company of us lower
forms of life, then maybe they should be blowing their horn in 
another newsgroup. Lets stay on topic and not get sidetracked on 
such childish arguments. If someone wants to call a hood a bonnet,
or a wrench a spanner, that's fine with me...  Just don't try to
force your term down my throat when in normal use my terminology is
probably just as, if not more correct, than yours.

In summary: My car doesn't have a frigg'in supercharger! It's a
TURBOcharger gawdammit! ... It says so right on the back of the
sunvisor.  Now PLEASE, lets talk about something TECHNICAL that
is of some PRACTICAL value.

...Greg
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
From: fmf1@cec1.wustl.edu (Fikri Mohamed Fauz)
Subject: Fuel Pump in a 82 Jetta
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:35:48 GMT


I have a 82 fuel injected Jetta with about 50,XXX miles on it. 
Recently I was doing some routine work on the engine and when I
came to replace the fuel filter I was faced with a dillemma.
My "Haynes" manual says that turning the ignition key to ACC (all
accesories) the fuel pump should power up for a few seconds until 
it presurizes the system. When I tried this, the pump would not work.
However starting up the car (always a little hard) activates the pump.

On further investigation when I tried to activate the fuel pump
by bridging certain specified terminals on the fuse and relay panel
still nothing happens. The manual sugested a bad fuel pump relay.

When I went to my local dealer, he told me that it could not possibly be the 
relay since in that case the pump would not come on at all. My problem is
that I don't know who to beleive. The dealer told me that the pump was only
supposed to come on when the engine was running and not before. 
The dealer keeps  encouraging me to bring the car in and 
have them look at it but I don't want to spend major $$$ if it
is some thing as simple as a relay.

If anyone has any ideas as to what is going on please post or E-mail the 
answer. i will be very thankful.


Omar.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
From: fs@cs.tulane.edu (Frank Silbermann)
Subject: Computerized tranny
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-9647]: caesar
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:27:00 GMT


I test drove a used '87 Celebrity wagon (88k miles)
with a computer-controlled 4-speed automatic transmission.
The shifting was very harsh (it felt like a stickshift car
with an incompetent driver) -- much harsher than a similar car
I once drove.  The transmission fluid was brownish orange.

The owner said the shifting was harsh since the car was new,
and that transmission had failed and was replaced at < 60k miles,
just before the extended warrantee expired.

Is problem easily fixable for ~$1k by replacing the transmission,
(perhaps the dealer simply patched the tranny to get him through
the warrantee period)?  Or could this be one of those undiagnosible
computer glitches?  Might it need only a simpler, cheaper adjustment?

If I do buy it cheap and fix the transmission,
is there any other work I should consider having done
as long as it's disassembled (given it's an 88k car)?
I didn't see any signs of oil burning (though it was 1.2 quarts low).


Also, the clearcoat was peeling off the paint.
Is there any alternative between:
	a) Repainting the car
	b) living with it

I.e., can the clearcoat be renewed?  I've never been impressed
with the durability of second paint jobs.

------------------------------------------
Frank Silbermann	fs@cs.tulane.edu
Tulane University	New Orleans, Louisiana  USA
From: zm@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Zafer Mehmood)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Dead cylinder on big Cadillac V8
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:29:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr1.202232.9369@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> dpl@pacific.uucp (Denis Leconte) writes:
>Then, shortly after that, cylinder 7 (closest to the driver) went out. I 
>isolated cylinder 7 by pulling the wires at the sparks, and only that one does not cause the engine to slow down.  
>
> 	[stuff deleted]
>
>When the engine is running, and I listen with a stethoscope (sp?) on the head
>near cylinder 7, I can hear a SLIGHT clicking noise which is not present near
>the other cylinders.
>
>So, my guess it there is something wrong somewhere between the lifters and the
>valves, both of those included. And that means I have to (sigh) open the engine
>and take a look and that I might even be forced to do my first head gasked ins-
>tallation on my precious 429. 
>
>But before I go ahead with this exploratory surgery, I would sure appreciate any
>comments/remarks/suggestions. Did I miss something? Anything else I can try? 
>

Before pulling the head, I suggest you try the simple things first.
Take off the valve cover and see if the rockers and push rods are OK. 
With the engine running, check to see if the rockers for cylinder 7
are moving smoothly. You may have bad lifters or broken valve train
components (rockers, pivots or valve train support).  This could cause
both intake and exhaust valves to remain closed thereby giving you a
decent compression reading. Replacing any of the valve train components
under the valve cover should be straight forward.

Zafer
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
From: pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune)
Subject: Re: Rolling a Civic..
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 00:52:33 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Yes, it can be done, but you'd have to hit it just right.  In general, a car
like a Civic will plow the front end if subjected to a very hard turn all of
a sudden.  Were you to toss the car one way, then immediately go the other,
it would be more likely to pitch the car.  Other cars, like Rabbits, are more
prone to rolling the car.  In fact, you often see Rabbits, GTIs, and 2002s
lifting the inner rear wheel when cornering excessively hard...

-- 
-Paul Yoshimune [pauly@netcom.com]