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From: lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman, Hector Hall and the DC universe (was: Re: Sandam
Date: 16 Aug 92 02:34:07 GMT
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Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor

In article <1992Aug16.020148.14204@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:

[Dream appeared to Martian Manhunter as a Martian Deity.]

>So?  Superheroes are in the habit of fighting with lots of beings who are
>worshipped by others.  All they'd do is tell the Martian Manhunter his
>ancestral deity is really an evil villain, and go off in search of the
>imprison-the-Endless spell anyway.  (Besides, MM is JLA, not JSA).

(MM is neither at the moment. Or is he a JLI reserve? He was JLA.)

Couple of problems:

1) Is there anyone alive that knows that Morpheus was trapped by a spell
   and knows what that spell was or how it was done? Is there anyone in 
   any of the assorted DC super groups that would want to throw that
   spell if they could find it? It seemed like a pretty EVIL thing.

2) Morpheus cannot be tracked down like the usual super villain. So
   JSA is pissed. Big deal. What are they going to do about it?  

Considering the powers that Morpheus has shown, he certainly could make them
forget the whole thing if he did encounter them. 

This beginning to become one of the silliest threads I've read in this 
group.
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     Stick in those days   |  We would not play in that man's company"  Hrbek V
From: levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Giffen : Re: Biz quitting Lobo?
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:42:00 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <l93c27INNk2@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM>, khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale) writes:
> In article <Bt730v.JxJ@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca> kesidis@panther.uwaterloo.ca (George Kesidis) writes:
>>I disagree. I think Keith Giffen will do a great job on the art.
> ...
>>Check out Lobo's first solo in Omega men #36 or 37 by Giffen.
> 
> Yes, but that was back when Giffen could actually draw in a 
> non-abstract fashion. That was round about the time he was
> drawing Legion of Super Heroes, and was (IMHO) at the peak
> of his artistic form. The Omega men art was similar to the LSH
> style, although Giffen did use the 9-panel layout at times. 
> 
> Sometime after that, he tried a number of different styles and
> his art has never been as good since. I really hate his current style.
> It only works for me for hallucinatory sequences such as his work
> in LODK annual last year or in a Superman issue recently. 


        From what I understand, Giffen's going to try and "imitate" Bisley's
style, to keep, oh I don't know, the ambience (sp?) of the book, maybe? 
Something stupid like that.  Personally I think this kind of fanboy cowtowing
is dumb.  What ever happended to freedom of expression in the visual artform? 
Why can't we see (and accept) other artist's renditions of out favorite
characters?  Why now, does anybody who wants to draw LOBO, have to do it like
Bisley?  Look at Barry Kitson.  For a few years he was drawing LOBO, and
everybody was happy.  Suddenly, Biz came out with his version and becomes the
king of LOBO.  And anybody who tries something remotely different is 
automatically snubbed.  Out of the blue, Barry Kitson becomes invalidated?  
Is that right?  Is that fair and just to the artist? 

        For years now, DC has been saying that comics are not just for kids 
anymore.  And in some ways, they've lived up to that press (thank the lord for 
the mature reader's line!).  But, when they pull stunts like this, purely for 
fanboy popularity, then readers like me (emphasis on "readers") become 
disheartened at the lack of creativity.  And what's worse, is that this black 
hole of orginality and spontaneity creates a spiraling effect leading to the
destruction of a comic.  Two examples I can think of off the top of my head are
X-FORCE and (UNCANNY) X-MEN.  These books became about the art and not about
the story, thus they failed or they are currently failing.  


                                                Have a nice day

                                                        S H Y L O C K
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Comment on Marvel Tendencies from a Marvel Character
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:18:42 GMT

Well, Kev, you could begin by not perpetuating the myth that the Philistines 
were crass boors.  They had an appreciation of arts and culture as good as the 
next group of mediterraneans, but got a bad rap.  Other than that, I really 
can't respond any further without knowing if you consider Rap to be high art or
consider that there is no possibility of quality in a medium generated for the 
lowest common demoninator.  Considering your pseudonym, I'd guess the former, 
but don't feel this is the place for an extended argument over whether or not
Rap is "low art" like comics, other pop music, or blockbuster movies are.
     Dave Van Domelen, "If it's in the Top Forty, it's probably not art."
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From: ndj20710@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nathan D. Johnson)
Subject: Re: CEREBUS: M&D 10 (spoilers)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:18:20 GMT

If you look at the chess board near the end, you can see that Po had indeed
been setting up a fool's mate. With Cerebus pushing his queen's bishop, it
would appear that he is going to successfully counter it though. Congratulations
to everyone that guessed right on that.

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From: mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary)
Subject: Savoir Faire
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 00:16:28 GMT


Who are the coolest characters in comics?  I mean the characters
who when done right always seem to be in control or to have the
upper hand?  You know, the one's that make you think, "I wonder
what he has up his sleeve/"
For me here are a few:

John Constantine, especially as done by Alan Moore
Niles Caulder, maybe a bit late, no pun intended;)
Vril Dox, although...
The old Lex Luthor and Brainiac
Universo
Kipling, from DP (okay, so he's a JC ripoff;))

These are all that come to mind.  Obviously the villains tend to get
defeated regularly but they still are neat to watch.
-- 
"Ipsa scientia potestas est."
             -Roger Bacon
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with
the average voter." -Winston Churchill
From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Information needed Re: Thor, FF
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:19:32 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Can anyone out there post or e-mail me the issue numbers for Simonson's run
on Thor and Byrne's run on the Fantastic Four.  Both of these runs were
going on when i was just getting into comics, so i have sporadic issues of
both, but would like to go back and complete them.  

Thanks.

JRjr
-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
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From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Subject: Sandman: Endless skin problems
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 04:45:59 GMT


conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun) says:

>praxis@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Laura L Perkinson) writes:
>> 	OK, Death, Dream, Desire and Despair are drawn as having chalk
>> white skin. Destiny, Destruction and Delirium are drawn with normal
>> caucasian tones. 
>> 	Is there ANY possible significance to this? 

Hmm...Delight's the youngest, and possibly the most human.
 Destruction has always been portrayed as a jovial, even
 "colorful", fellow.  They are the only ones that have 
 changed much in the past 10 billion years (see end note*).

Is Destiny actually flesh-toned?  I imagine him as more
 of a light grayish brown.  But that's just me.

Perhaps skin color is an indicator of concern for human
 life?  Despair + Desire certainly could care less about
 us, and Dream didn't care much until recently, I think.

*End Note*  A while back someone (Dani?) theorized that
 Dream was becoming increasingly friendly and human(e) as
 the series progressed.  Perhaps we might see some color
 in his cheeks as time goes on...
-- 
Francis A. Uy			moving to Baltimore as of 8/24
Program Director, WUMD		approaching reality from UMBC
From: eoghanni@castle.ed.ac.uk (Eoghann Irving)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: METROPOL A.D.
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:58:09 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Edinburgh University


	
	I am surprised that no one has posted about Metropol A.D yet. I
mean you must like it right? The story is as original and bizarre as
ever, and the artwork is brilliant. Can't say I like the price much
though.
	I'm going to have to search out the issues from the original
series that I am missing now. I had been putting it off till I had more
money, but this series has renewed my interest. The only bad thing about
it is that it's only three issues.

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From: rutled@bnr.ca (Philip Rutledge)
Subject: Re: Magnus #0 Variants
Reply-To: rutled@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:19:44 GMT

Kerrin Rhys Jones (Kerrin.Jones@comp.vuw.ac.nz) wrote:
: 
: I think the deal here was something like this; Stores who'd ordered the regular
: Magnus title in bulk could apply to Valiant and recieve ONE copy of Magnus #0
: without the card in it, for every FIFTY copies they ordered of the regular title.
: Something like that, but don't quote me.
: 
: 					-Kerrin

The reason I originally posted the question is that I received my 
copy of Magnus #0 from Mile High Comic's NICE Subscription service
ie.  I didn't send in the coupons.

The Magnus #0 I received, however, does have the card.

I wonder if Mile High got a special deal?

Later,
Phil


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Philip Rutledge (rutled@bnr.ca)                  Bell-Northern Research
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: RAC Shakeup
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:00:53 GMT

This will replace r.a.c. along with all the other r.a.c.stuff
     rec.arts.comics.dvandom
From: louzon@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Louzon ronald g)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Cages
Summary: McKean work
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:35:45 GMT
Reply-To: louzon@aplcen (Louzon ronald g)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

In article <1992Aug21.152758.11726@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> wesselak@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu (Erik Wesselak) writes:
>mgq@inel.gov (Michael G McKellar) writes:
>
>>I'm very impressed with his writing.  The stuff that I have that
>>McKean has done are:
>>Arkham Asylum
>>Black Orchid
>>Violent Cases
>>A double issue special of Hellblazer, the one just before Ennis
>>took over.
>>Cages
>>And of course the Sandman covers.
>
>McKean also did the first 20 or so covers for Hellblazer, and a handful of
>covers for Swamp Thing (inked, not painted) around the time of Veitch's run.
>
>Also the covers for Miracleman Book IV (#17-22)  And the cover for the paper-
>back, I think.

And don't forget the HELLBLAZER issue he did with Neil Gaiman.  I think
it was in the late twenties and was called "Cold Heart" ?

And also the soon to be released SIGNAL TO NOISE with Neil from Dark 
Horse in October.
From: jmclaughlin@gems.vcu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Harlequin of Teen Titans...whahappen?
Date: 15 Aug 92 16:15:31 -0400
Organization: Medical College of Virginia

>In article <IeVuaSK00VAy0LKl0Q@andrew.cmu.edu>, "David M. Pahnos" <dp0q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> 	<1992Aug11.065353.1148@csc.ti.com>
>> Unfortunately it's been hinted that Pantha was something to do with the
>> Titans before
>> she was turned into a cat-thing, and I'm dreading that she'll turn out
>> to be Duela or
>> Flamebird.
>> David.
>> 
> Well, I can tell you that Pantha as a concept is a very old concept of
> Marv's.  She was originally supposed to be Wildcat II, before Crisis,
> and before Infinity Inc.  It was a character they never got around to
> introducing, and then boom!  Infinity Inc was there and then so was
> Crisis.  So this may be a character from a long long time ago..
> 
> michael j pastor iii
> guest on davids account

ARGH!  Well, gee, now that Infinity Inc is in limbo (though I thought I 
remembered someone saying that they were going to revamp the group (ARGH!) and 
start the title again), it *could* be Yolanda, altered by the Wildebeests.

At any rate, Joker's Daughter/Harlequin was wiped off the face of the DC 
universe.  Sad, since she was one of the few Titans who had *good* smart-ass 
lines at the time.  And the little mystery teaser in the wedding issue was as 
annoying a hanging thread as the question of who saved Changeling back in 
issue #10 when he was shot by the Terminator (it was later explained that 
Raven saved him...yeah, right).

I keep hoping against hope that Waverider will accidently throw a time wave 
through the Hawk and Dove bit in Armageddon and we'll have Dawn back!  Whoever 
it was that decided to kill her off should be locked together eternally with 
Keith Giffen and Rob Liefeld and excommunicated from the comic industry as the 
jerks (I have stronger words) who ruin good comics!!!!

						Judy
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From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Subject: Re: Ambush Bug Sightings
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:45:03 GMT

dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
> There is one other Ambush Bug appearance that I can recall.  In one of the 
> Invasion Earth Books (either #1 or #2) we see Buggy at the bottom of
a panel,> really small (maybe a centimeter tall).  I'm pretty sure
> this was Invasion.
 
> might have been a different mega-crossover of the last 4 years.

Hm.   Are we trying to create an Ambush Bug checklist here?  I
remember Bug was in Crisis.  He appeared in an issue of Swamp Thing
inside the Moniter's satelite.  I think it was #44.

I don't recall seeing him in Invasion.  

Some of the best Ambush Bug material appeared in DC Comics presents
(including his first appearance!).  Another good appearance was in
Supergirl, where he mistook Supergirl for Superman under the effects
of Red Kryptonite.
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From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
Subject: Re: CEREBUS: Melmoth (was re: M&D 10)
Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 02:31:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.224214.24610@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun) writes:
>In article <Bt7IBt.FBt@world.std.com>, Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay) writes:
>> 
>> Ha!  Maybe this will finally silence the heretical "One-Oscar" school!
>> Bwah-hah-hah!  :-)
>
>It does.  But it also begs the question that maade me think the two Oscars
>had to be the same person:
>- What's the point of MELMOTH?

>We're shown the death of a man, which is tragic in and of itself.  But what's
>the thematic significance in the larger context of the Cerebus storyline?
>This "Sebastian Melmoth" is not Oscar, he's just a character that was
>introduced with no explanation, for the express purpose of getting him
>killed!

 My guess is that Sim just became fascinated with Oscar Wilde, and couldn't
keep him out of "Cerebus."  There isn't any "point;" it's just something
Sim wanted to do.  I don't mind, though; it's Sim's book, and I enjoyed 
"Melmoth."  *shrug*

 Actually, it does fit in to the story in the sense that it's a breather;
there've been a lot of big changes going on in Estarcion, and we mostly
saw them from the perspective of Cerebus, who is usually at the eye of
the storm.  We hear about invasions and wars, but we don't get to see
much of it.  Seeing "Sebastian's" death helped us get a little bit of
perspective, I think; much as it seems to, Estarcion doesn't revolve
around Cerebus.  The pacing fit well too, between the tension at the end
of "Jaka's Story" and the whirlwind of the first part of "Mothers &
Daughters."

 Saying that the two Oscars had no connection is a bit of an
exaggeration; they're both clearly Sim's versions of the historical
Wilde, before and after his incarceration.  So Sim's having his cake
and eating it too, by having one version who dies (and Wilde's death
does make a marvelous story), and another who survives to be used
later in Sim's work.  It's not as if a totally unknown character
were introduced merely to be killed off; we have all the baggage
of the real Wilde's life propping up the character.  Admittedly, 
though, "Melmoth" would have less impact on someone unfamiliar with 
Wilde's life.

 If there's any justice in the world, somebody will use a Sim-a-like in 
some future work of fiction.


--
   Bill Sherman      S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n     sherman@math.ucla.edu
      "I couldn't handle childhood."  "You may have been too young."
                          Sam Hurt, _Eyebeam: Teetering on the Blink_
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From: dml@athena.mit.edu (David M LaMacchia)
Subject: Sam and Max: Color Special
Keywords: Sam Max Steve Purcell Orange Circus Peanuts
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:00:59 GMT

Ok, the Sam and Max color special finally arrived today in stores.
It's typical Sam and Max but most of it is reprints of hard to find
older stories.  What's in it:

Beast from the Cereal Aisle (new in this book)
Terror on the Tanbark (I *think* this is new.  Sam and Max as kids :-)
Monkies Violating the Heavenly Temple (originally published in S&M
   special #1 by Fishwrap Press, 1987, in b&w.  It's color here
   (obviously).  The original "where do you keep that gun" story.)
Night of the Gilded Heron-Shark (also in 1987 issue)
Night of the Cringing Wildebeest [sic]  (From Critters #19, was b&w)
Ponderings of the Ages (don't know where this is from)
Fair Wind to Java (from GrimJack #52,in Munden's Bar.  That's Gordon
   Munden at the bar, for non-GrimJack-readers.)

also:

Let's Play Fizzball!  (from Monkies Violating the Heavenly Temple)
Getting Along in the Joint (from that same 1987 issue)
Sam and Max Present the Magic of Clumsy, Amateurish Anamation (this
   *may* be new, but I doubt it.  Don't know where it's from).

All in all, this is a great starter for those of you who've never read
Sam and Max.  It puts Ren and Stimpy to shame.

AND...for the Sam & Max completest: the recent issue of Comic Shop News
has an ad for Sam & Max reading:

"Sam and Max Freelance Police Special Color Collection.
 The charming tale of a bunny, a dog, and large caliber automatic weapons."

--dave
--------------------
Gordon [handing over a phone]: It's for you, McGruff!
Sam: Did you hear what he called me?  I HATE that!  Let's sneak up to his
     room later and drain all the liquid out of his body.
Max: If he calls me "Hello Kitty" I'll plug him.
Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 13:40:27 -0400 
From: "David M. Pahnos" <dp0q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: rec.arts.comics.image?
	<1992Aug16.001518.2564@lokkur.dexter.mi.us>

>Is there enough interest in rec.arts.comics.image to go through
>the motions of CFD,RFD, and so on?

>I can't be the only one who likes them!


At this point, I think it would be a not-so-good idea,  becuase Image is
so new, hasn't shown staying power yet, is more about the artists and
writers than the product, and would constantly boil down to anti- and
pro-Image wars.  Valiant and Dark Horse would be considered candidates
before Image, and would have to go the  route of r.a.c.inidies first. 
The problem of raci of course, are those who read titles such as Maus,
Cerebus and other 'mature' styled books vs. the superheroic camps of
Image and Elementals, etc.

its just too hard to define.

i just thought of something however:  perhaps we could start an
alt.branching system of alt.fan.comics
based on company lines.  alt.fan.comics.DC afc.marvel. afc.image
afc.aardvark etc.  (or maybe alt.fan.bigtwo, and the others).  alt
groups live and die with the popularity of the times.

michael j pastor iii
guest on davids account
From: wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com (Christopher M. Conway)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC's plans
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:43:14 GMT
Reply-To: wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com
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Organization: Prickly Wombat Enterprises


In article <1992Aug21.160855.743@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
- 
- Black is not a colour. & colours are allowed *on* the black.
- 
Depends on whether you're talking colors of light or colors of pigment. There
is no black light, but there most certainly is black pigment.

( from someone else who only wears black (and have for years before finding
out about Gaiman), and colors *aren't* okay on *mine*! B^{)> )

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From: cwang@gsb.columbia.edu (Chris Wang)
Subject: Oops...
Organization: Columbia Business School
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:49:53 GMT

Please ignore that last post it was a mistake on my part. Thanks.
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From: acd@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (andrew.c.durston)
Subject: Re: San Diego Con Horror Story
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:20:57 GMT

In article <aj9m5#=.akuma@netcom.com>, akuma@netcom.com (Steven E Barnes) writes:
> Scene in dealer room, with Fanboy looking at issues of
> Youngblood #1:
> Fanboy: "How much?"
> Dealer: "$3.00 each"
> Fanboy: "I'll take all of them"
> Dealer: "OK, that's 33; take two more comics and I'll call it an even
>          $100"

Gee,
	Perhaps he would like my copy as well. Or better yet, would
	he like my copies of ShadowHawk 1 and Brigade 1, ecch!
	:-) :-)

ACDurston,..!att!hotld!acd
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