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From: suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick Suffridge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Steve Fisher: Good or Bad Coach?
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:33:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncrcae.1992Apr17.173306.11131
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.

martyp@caen.engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
: I want to know what everyone on the net thinks of Steve Fisher's 
: coaching abilty? I am not completely sold on him being a great
: coach. If you think he is a good/bad coach, then why?
: Personally, I think he went to the Final Four twice because he
: was blessed with talent, had lots of luck, and just let 'em
: play. My grandma could have taken them to the Final Four
: twice.....
: 

    But not Bill Frieder :) 
  I was really not sure what to think about Fisher as a coach until
  this year. I thought he did an outstanding coaching job this year.
  The improvement of this team over the course of the season was 
  drastic. I know they had a ton of talent, but playing mostly frosh
  I thought that the best they could do this year would be a middle-
  of-the-pack Big 10 finish and a first or 2nd round NCAA loss. Just
  making the tournament with a starting lineup of 5 freshmen would
  have been unprecedented. To get a team of freshmen to play as well
  together as this team was playing at the end of the year and also 
  to get upperclass former-starters like Riley, Talley, and Voskuil
  to accept secondary non-starting roles and still contribute as they
  did, he has to be doing something right. He may be a "just let them
  play" type of coach, but if you had as much talent as the 5X's would
  you want to overcoach them? Actually, his mild-mannered disposition
  probably contributes as much to that perception as does his actual 
  coaching. I was particularly impressed with the way the team played
  defense in the tournament (not usually considered a strong point
  of freshmen). While it may be debatable how much credit to give 
  Fisher for the 1989 title, he deserves a lot of credit for his job
  this year.
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From: garyj@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (gary joslin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: GARY TEST; Ignore
Date: 23 Mar 92 16:15:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX



Just a TEST; Please ignore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Sent Mon Mar 23 10:00
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From: tshannon@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy J Shannon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:30:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CAD-Research, U. of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa

From article <si6g0INNrse@agate.berkeley.edu>, by cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (   ):
> "Don't be ridiculous.  You can't take something that a person never had in
> the first place !  The simple fact is that Iowa has hardly ever had talent
> on par with the Illini, yet they've been far far more consistent."
> 
> The Hawkeye fan that wrote this should really do his homework first.
> IN the late 70's and early 80's, Iowa had better recruitments from Chicago
> than Illinois. Illinois Mr. BB like Michael Payne who went to IA would not
> even come to Champaign for a visit. Remember the twin towers and Payne and
> Stokes that flopped big in their tenure. The much highly-touted team of 87
> with Gamble, Marble,....even the reserves were high-profile players team 
> that went no where. Several pre-season top-10s, one or more pre-season #1
> in SI and Sports. However, NO Big-10 champs, NO FF after st. Luke did that
> at 79(?). Very impressive in pre-seasons, but returned to normal afterwards.
> Yes, they are very consistent--somewhat underachieve. Hopefully, that will
> change in the future as they are gradually getting less talents.
	Even when Iowa had Payne and Stokes Illinios still got the better
players from Chicago.  There are alot of Illi that have gone pro and still
play, but Iowa has not nearly as many.  Which means to me that Iowa has had
worse players but have been able to do use the players the do have to the 
max, and win consitantly.  I also have to agree that Iowa will get a little
worse in the future because Dr. TOm can't coach for shit(plus lack of recruitig
i.e. he signed an iowan who was supposed to be one of the better ones, but 
he still is lacking, about the skill of Skinner)  I defiantly look to have
Iowa change coaches again soon, or at least I hope.
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From: paulf@igloo.mips.com (Paul French)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Congraduate to Duke.....NOT!
Date: 7 Apr 1992 16:37:33 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: paulf@igloo.mips.com (Paul French)
NNTP-Posting-Host: igloo.mips.com

In article <12005@ns-mx.uiowa.edu>, welin@icaen.uiowa.edu (Wentsung Lin) writes:
|> I just cannot believe the officiating during this year's tournament.

...Lots of stuff about refs throwing games deleted...

|> One final thought, I have no respect for those who try to make up
|> stupid excuses instead admitting the wrong doings. 

Do you respect yourself?
 
|> W.T.L.

-paulf
From: pistol@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter C Tortorici)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Gritter's Purdue Hoop Scoop
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:01:41 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Sometimes you have to get rid of some bad influences on the team
in order to make the team gel better, or have a better attitude,
which could result in better play.

Stewart, Rea, and company were causing nothing but trouble, and
were the root of Woody flunking out. Sure, Woody is responsible
for his own actions, but with the upperclassmen encouraging
him to skip classes, and goof off, it doesn't help.

Other recent head cases include Loren Clyburn
great talent, no discipline, big time head case.

Pete
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ricker)
Subject: Re: duke bashing: please give it a rest
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:10:08 GMT

bd344@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael N Bastedo) writes:

>would you people please give it a rest?  "oh, they should have lost to
>kentucky."  "oh, they should have lost to indiana."  "oh, they only won
>because the ncaa wants them to."  "oh, they only play so well because billy
>packer likes them."  all this crap about officiating is pure sour grapes,
>and it doesn't fool anyone.  i'm sick and tired of this.  duke won.  you
>hate laettner?  you hate hurley?  they took this game against michigan 
>because of a TEAM effort, including solid contributions from both hills,
>parks, lang, etc.  laettner is not duke.  i'm sorry michigan lost.  i felt
>bad for them.  but all this bitching and moaning about officiating is really
>stupid and annoying.  duke worked their ASSES off to win this championship,
>and they won it, and they deserved it.  the people who constantly ride 
>laettner about being a bad sport could stand a little work themselves on
>graciousness when you lose.  


I agree 100%.  The fouls in the championship game was 17 to 13.  Duke only 
got 4 less fouls.  Officiating was totally fair and Duke won by 20.  So
all the Duke bashers should shut up.  Duke is a great team because they
can win even when they are not playing their best game.  Michigan didn't
play their best game and lost.  That's what separates a GREAT team from
a good team.  The BEST team in the nation from the 2nd best team.


 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Net Basketball Talent (was Re: Duke Tourney Observations)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 07:38:15 GMT

saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>This brings up an interesting question:  how good are most of you net.gods
>at playing basketball?  What types of players are you?  And come on, be
>honest - no false claims.

	Well, mostly because of my height (5'4") I usually play the point
	guard position.  However, I much rather prefer playing the off
	guard position, where I can use my outside shooting ability (43% on
	3's last intramural season) to the limit.  Actually, my outside
	shooting ability is fairly well-known around the U of Illinois courts;
	I usually shoot from out at NBA range, and can hit at a decent clip.
	However, I am VERY streaky -- with those great games come those
	Mark Macon brickfests.  Rebounding?  At my height?  Defense is
	something I've really worked on improving.  As far as ball-handling
	goes, I much rather avoid it.  I can break a press, but when matched
	up one-on-one w/ a very quick defender, I often have problems.
	As far as basketball experience goes, I lettered one year in high
	school (freshman year -- left team to concentrate on academics), and
	have played intramural leagues every year since.  I thought about
	trying to walk-on to the Illini team as a kinda a joke, but after
	seeing the competition around campus -- and the time committment
	playing on the team takes, I decided against it.

	Jazzy J
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From: br347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Althouse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Don DeVoe to Navy?
Date: 11 Apr 92 14:23:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr11.142311.28691
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Rumor has it the U.S. Naval Academy is going to hire Don DeVoe as
its next head basketball coach.  Navy fired Pete Herrmann (who
succeeded Paul Evans) after an abysmal record over the last four 
years (A.D.-after David [Robinson]).  I believe this year Navy
finished 7-21 or close to it, and lost to archrival Army twice.
Navy also had Duke Assistant Mike Bray, and an Xavier assistant
whose name escapes me interested.  Over 100 applications have
been received for the position - I can't believe there are so
many coaches willing to commit career suicide by coming to the
Naval Academy! :)
--
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GO NAVY-BEAT ARMY!!
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From: burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton)
Subject: Re: Carnesecca Resigns
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:01:25 GMT

Don Russell Molina writes:
>It's a damn shame. Big East Basketball will never be the same again.

Oh, you mean it will now be interesting to watch?

T-Bone Burton
CASA
Coors U.
"Waiter, there's a sweet transvestite in my soup!"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Big Ten Update (4-7-92)
Summary: Congrats to Michigan...
Keywords: Big Ten, college
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:24:37 GMT

[There's nothing wrong with being second!  And, two Final Fours in
four years.  I'll trade your team for mine, OK?]

TOURNEY RESULTS:

NCAA Men's Basketball Championship:

#1-US Duke (34-2) 71, #2-US MICHIGAN (25-9) 51:  Well, when all the little
	kids look in the record books in 20 years, they will see a 20-point
	margin and assume this game was a blowout.  It wasn't, of course,
	but Duke's experience and desire to make history added up to a
	dominating final 8 minutes.  This game went back and forth pretty
	much for a good 25 minutes.  Michigan held a slim 31-30 halftime
	lead.  Once the second half was established, though, Duke's defense
	completely stymied the Michigan offense.  The Wolverines only
	scored 20 points in the second half, and had no perimeter game
	at all.  With the score 48-45 in Duke's favor, near the 8 minute
	mark, the Blue Devils took the game over, and polished Michigan
	off with a 23-6 spurt.  Though Christian Laettner had a good
	second half, it was Grant Hill who stole the show, as he did on
	Saturday.  Michigan finally met it's match...  51,000 at the Hump
	Dome...

Thanks to everyone who has written me this year about the reports!  It's
because of your generous comments that I do these things...  See you next
year, I hope!


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From: cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (   )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
Date: 15 Apr 1992 21:16:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

"Don't be ridiculous.  You can't take something that a person never had in
the first place !  The simple fact is that Iowa has hardly ever had talent
on par with the Illini, yet they've been far far more consistent."

The Hawkeye fan that wrote this should really do his homework first.
IN the late 70's and early 80's, Iowa had better recruitments from Chicago
than Illinois. Illinois Mr. BB like Michael Payne who went to IA would not
even come to Champaign for a visit. Remember the twin towers and Payne and
Stokes that flopped big in their tenure. The much highly-touted team of 87
with Gamble, Marble,....even the reserves were high-profile players team 
that went no where. Several pre-season top-10s, one or more pre-season #1
in SI and Sports. However, NO Big-10 champs, NO FF after st. Luke did that
at 79(?). Very impressive in pre-seasons, but returned to normal afterwards.
Yes, they are very consistent--somewhat underachieve. Hopefully, that will
change in the future as they are gradually getting less talents.



Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: !!PAC-10!! News You Can Use
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:50:24
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cork.cs.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU's message of 8 Apr 92 23:40:56

I should also mention that parts of that post were gleaned from the
4/8/1992 edition of the Daily Cal. Determination of which parts are left as
an exercise to the reader.

Your Humble Atlantic Seaboard Press Conspirator.
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Cause I know the time, cause I'm gettin' mine.		
I get on the mix late in the night... -Public Enemy

Fiiiive Thousand Boomin Watts...... -The JBeez
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Lessons from the Season?
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:25:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr10.142508.2607
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
Originator: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

In article <702917433@flounder.cs.duke.edu> rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith) writes:
>Here are some lessons we've learned from this year's NCAA season and tourney.

>2. There are alot of whiny Indiana fans on the net.  All they can do is
>   bitch about the officiating, ignoring the fact they had at one point
>   an 8-2 edge in fouls called (8 on Duke 2 on IU) in the first half.
>   Maybe Duke did a good job of adjusting to the officiating?  Maybe they
>   refused to give up and kept attacking the basket?  Maybe they were just
>   a little too quick for Indiana causing Indiana to commit fouls?  Nah,
>   it was the officiating.  You managed to just lose one of your distant
>   admirers for future tourneys.  Go Wolverines.

As I've said before, there are a lot of "whiny" Indiana fans in general (or
should that be "The General").  I grew up in Indiana listening to my mother
and all her alumni friends bitching about officiating.  They still do, even
though Indiana had a big net benefit from the guys in stripes this year.
The fact of the matter is they treat the officiating pretty much like their
coach does, even though old Bob doesn't seem to squak as much anymore.
It's a good thing that Purdue fans don't bitch about the officials as much
as their coach, because if they did, oohhhh.

Don't get upset, Indiana fans.  I still like you guys and IU, it's just
that we can do without a little of the whining - learn to do it in a more
subtle manner.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: jfw1@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (james.f.whitehead)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: rec.sport.lacrosse - coaches' poll
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:35:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

1. Syracuse (8)		6-1
2. North Carolina	5-2
3. Towson St. (1)	5-0
4. Loyola Md		6-2
5. Johns Hopkins	3-2
6. Princeton		5-2
7. Brown		6-1
7. Maryland		5-2
9. Virginia		4-3
10. Army		5-0


15. Duke		3-4
16. UMASS!!!		2-2

18. Georgetown		5-0
	
Looks like SU and UNC are headed for a rematch of last year's championship
game, which UNC won fairly handily. The Final 4 is in Philadelphia (does anyone 
know which stadium?) over Memorial Day weekend.

Any St Johns folks out there who can tell me if their program is gonna
recover from the sex-assault scandal? Any other Big East schools with
lax teams? We can't just leave this to the ACC, you know.

Jim Whitehead

PS if you don't like lax postings in r.s.bb.c, I'll try finding some space
in r.s.bb.c.complain.about.referees and post there instead.
From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Final Four Locations in '93 & '94
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:20:46 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

I believe the 1993 Final Four is in the Superdome in New Orleans.  The 1994
Final Four is in Seattle at the Kingdome. (I think--if it isn't here in '94
it is in '95).

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Date: Mon,  6 Apr 1992 18:38:16 -0400 
From: "Jay S. Chun" <jc6t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Cincinnati's seed (was Re: Sagarin Bashing Revisited)
	<1992Apr3.201258.3761@das.harvard.edu>

I totally agree.  Cincinnati was extremely lucky to be in the Final
Four.  First of all, they were lucky to get a number four seed. 
Secondly, they were very lucky to be placed in Kansas' bracket (I didn't
think Kansas or USC was too tough from the beginning.  UTEP and Memphis
St just played over their heads for a couple of games (like Cincinnati).
 If Cincinnati was placed in any of the other three brackets there would
be no way they would have reached the Final Four and probably not even
the Elite Eight for that matter.  Duke or Kentucky against Cincinnati
(Ha!).  UCLA or Indiana against Cincy (Ha!).  Ohio St or Michigan
against Cincy (Ha!).  Cincinnati fans should feel extremely lucky their
team got a number four seed and got as far as they did in the
tournament.
From: mrss_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Matt Ross)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: You've got to hand it to Christian
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:26:16 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

You've really got to hand it to Christian.  He was once again able to 
grab the spotlight, one more time before he graduates.  This will also be
the last time he will have the light on him.
Next year when the big wuss is finally in the NBA, there will come a night
when he looks down the court in warmups and sees Larry Johnson. Larry will
walk over, say hi, then score 30 with 12 rebounds. The big wimp will play,
but only in garbage time.

Four years from now, the patsy will look down court during warm-ups and see
Chris Webber.  Webber will walk over, say hi, show him his three rings, and thengo out and score 25 with 10 rebounds. Christian will play a little more by 
now, but it will become increasingly obvious he is destined for Italy.

And you don't need a crystal ball to see this.

Matt
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: Michigan Fab 5
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 13:47:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.004130.27738@talon.ucs.orst.edu>, navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology) writes:
|> Duke played their worst game of the year and still spanked the Fab 5.

The score was deceiving.  With about 7 minutes left to play, Michigan was 
only down by 3 points. 

|> Sorry but michagan's performance in the title game reinforces my opinion
|> that they were over-ranked. You list 3 teams they beat Ok. State, Ohio State
|> and Cincinnati. So?  All 3 of those teams were way way way way way overrated.

Ok, in your opinion they were.  So if Michigan, Ok. State, Ohio State, and
Cincy were over-ranked, give me your top 10 so I know where you are coming 
from.  Just what teams do you think should be considered in the ten best for 
the year.  And don't go naming any pro teams either! :-)

|> Ohio may be a pretty good team when Jackson is hot, but Jackson laid an egg
|> in the tournament. Michigan had an easy draw and got clobbered by a Duke
|> team playing horrible Bball.  I know people were saying the SE region was 
|> the toughest--IMHO they were dead wrong. In anycase it was an off year in college
|> ball this year--no region was particularly strong.

If no region was strong, then where were all the good teams this year?
Why did I hear the other day that this NBA draft will be one of the great 
ones (and it wasn't just because Shaq is coming out) if it was an off year 
in college ball?

|> I thought Arkansas had the most talent this year, but attitude problems
|> will kill you every time. I think Michigan will be a super team in a few 

Ok, Arkansas is a team you think is good.  But they didn't win the SEC
and made an EARLY NCAA tournament exit.  

|> years--if everybody stays. I can't see Weber staying past his sophomore
|> year if he has a great year next year.
 
Maybe, maybe not.  Too early to tell.

-- 

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Bell Communications Research
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Year-End r.s.bb.c poll results
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:58:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr16.165804.26000
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
Originator: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

Due to a lack in response, I am not going to give the final poll results,
as they don't represent a very good cross-section of the newsgroup.

But for your information, these were the leaders...

Most Annoying Post - most had something to do with Laettner
Most Insipid Post - nothing had a majority

Poster with Head in Ass - AVI, or officially: alester@fire.ncsu.edu
   Roy Navarre was also mentioned often

Most Creative Poster - no significant majority; votes were split between
Steve "Boilerweenie" Chapin, T-Bone, and Jim Oliver

Most Informative Poster - Randy Peppler (almost unanimously)


Don't ask me for the results; I have just deleted the file.  Only 7 people
responded.
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Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu