From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.xcult-l
Subject: Re: before birth...
Date: 18 Dec 1992 06:22:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, STCHRI@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA ("DOUGL, APPARENTLY.") says:

>Ruth:
>
>This text, from 1 Corinthians, is one I have long pondered
>over, not for its message, but for the often vitriolic
>point of view of its messenger. Paul is, for this Gay former Catholic,
>the most difficult of Christians to deal with philosophically.

Tell me about it.:-)  I'm not gay, and never was Catholic; Paul gives
*everyone* problems, or at least everyone I've talked to about him so far...
One of these days I'd like to ask Paul himself about some of it, always
assuming there is a Heaven and that's where I'm going of course.:)

>But abiding by the principles of this text is a perspective
>I deeply respect.
>
Me too; this was used to help stop a flamewar once....  For all his knotty
problems, Paul did usually know what he was talking about.[I think he was 
all wet about a few things myself - this isn't one of them]

> Corinthians 13:1  Though I speak with the tongues
>of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am
>become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
>1 Corinthians 13:2  And though I have the gift of
>prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all
>knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I
>could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am
>nothing.
>1 Corinthians 13:3  And though I bestow all my
>goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body
>to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth
>me nothing.
>1 Corinthians 13:4  Charity suffereth long, and is
>kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not
>itself, is not puffed up,
>1 Corinthians 13:5  Doth not behave itself
>unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily
>provoked, thinketh no evil;
>1 Corinthians 13:6  Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but
>rejoiceth in the truth;
>1 Corinthians 13:7  Beareth all things, believeth
>all things, hopeth all things, endureth all
>things.
>1 Corinthians 13:8  Charity never faileth: but
>whether there be prophecies, they shall fail;
>whether there be tongues, they shall cease;
>whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
>1 Corinthians 13:9  For we know in part, and we
>prophesy in part.
>1 Corinthians 13:10  But when that which is
>perfect is come, then that which is in part shall
>be done away.
>>> 1 Corinthians 13:11  When I was a child, I
>spake as a child, I understood as a child, I
>thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put
>away {childish} things.
>1 Corinthians 13:12  For now we see through a
>glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know
>in part; but then shall I know even as also I am
>known.
>1 Corinthians 13:13  And now abideth faith, hope,
>charity, these three; but the greatest of these is
>charity.

>
>[This excerpt was retrieved from God's Word for Windows, an easy to
>use database of the King James Bible. Anyone wishing info on where to
>get an evaluation copy by anonymous ftp should drop me a note.]
>
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I don't have Windows to use [I'm on an old '88] but I do have friends who
would love something like it.  Could you pass me the source?  For the
time being, I'm stuck using two or three translations in hard copy.:)

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