HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mullens@jamsun.ic.ornl.gov (James A. Mullens)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: NT system time format
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:48:23 GMT
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory

> The documentation for the FILETIME structure says it holds the number of
> 100ns intervals since January 1st, 1601.

This made me curious, especially since I hear the NT designer(s) was also
involved in VMS.  Does NT:

  keep system time in a 64-bit integer representing 100ns intervals?
    if so, does MS C 7.0 provide any support for 64-bit integer arithmetic?

  express "delta-time" (a time interval) as a negative 64-bit integer?

  provide/require library routines to add/subtract times and delta-times?

Just curious because I'm thinking of getting NT and I've had to work with
64-bit time format under VMS a lot lately.

jim mullens
jcm@ornl.gov (128.219.128.17) -or- mullens@jamsun.ic.ornl.gov (128.219.64.31)
voice: 615-574-5564
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: petesk@microsoft.com (Pete Skelly)
Subject: Re: Questions and comments on Windows
Date: 10 Aug 92 20:52:57 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <77352@ut-emx.uucp> victor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (V Menayang) writes:
>After reading this advocacy groups I agree with those
>OS/2 fans that one has to wonder why there are many more
>MS employees in the advocacy groups than in comp.os.ms-w.setup,
>for example.
>You know people in the other comp.os.ms-w.* groups might
>have some "real" questions that need your informed responses.

I don't know about the others, but I'm a software developer.  If I choose
to give information or help on the net, I do so out of my own free will.
Doing this is NOT part of my job description.  'Cause you're posting from
utexas, should everyone send questions about graduate and undergraduate
applications, financial aid, and sports to you.

I read the boards I read because I like to.


petesk@microsoft.com
My Opinions...


Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: Microsoft NT staff please read
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:43:16 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <183052@pyramid.pyramid.com> atam@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Alexander Tam) writes:
>There are a lot of people,including myself, out here on the internet network
>don't have access to Compuserve. If NT is really going to compete with UNIX,
>you have to let someone on the UNIX network know what you are doing. Please
>post ALL the articles, bug report form, Q&A, announcements,etc. you put in
>Compuserve to somewhere on internet. You may either post them to
>comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32 or open another news group. Do you 
>understand?

My, what a demanding attitude!

As I've posted many times here and elsewhere - we'd like to treat
internet & netnews connected people better, and we're looking into
it. We don't get provided with comparable host facilities on internet
& netnews with Compuserve - also, do realise, we don't "log on" to
compuserve to provide support - there are many man years of SQL Server
and other systems built up around online & compuserve to allow us to
provide support, and those systems arent written for internet or
netnews - so again, (put this in the FAQ!) we're trying, we put
some stuff on ftp.uu.net, but our access isn't easy from our internal
net [security reasons] so we only put some public stuff there. We're
working towards an ftp.microsoft.com server, but I can't promise any
timeframes - until then, compuserve, or a friend with compuserve, are the
only official support routes. Gripes and flames are not needed - I'm on
your side - I'm here, right? -- Alistair
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: jon@alpha.ee.ufl.edu (Jon Mellott)
Subject: Re: Win32s and Windows 3.1
Keywords: Win32s
Organization: EE Dept at UF
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 12:51:48 GMT

In article <8ggDPB1w165w@cyrcle.uucp>, lothar@cyrcle.uucp (Bob Trembley) writes:
|> I have read that the DLLs/VxD to run Win32s under DOS/Windows will be on the
|> Beta-release CD of NT (in September I believe?)
|> 
|> I have a question:  Is Microsoft going to release upgrades for the Windows
|> 3.1 Program Manager, File Manager and other apps to use Win32s?
|> 
I'm not affiliated with MS, but I'll bet that they won't do that -- at least 
initially. Those bundled applets, Program Manager, and File Manager probably 
don't have a whole lot to gain from being Win32 rather than Win16 apps. 

|> How much (if any) of what we know of as DOS/Windows 3.1 today will be using
|> Win32s in 3 months, 6 months, etc...?  Will this become the desired
|> "platform" for Windows apps?
|> 
I suspect that the big graphics packages like Illustrator, CorelDRAW!, and 
MicroGrafix Designer will take advantage of the enhanced Win32 GDI as soon 
as possible. The big apps will probably jump quicker than the smaller apps. 
For example, apps which want to use a lot of memory will jump so that they 
can play in a 32-bit address space; some of these might be AutoCAD, Matlab, 
Mathematica, spreadsheets, and database packages. 

The big question that I have is how many companies are going to want to 
maintain as many as three versions of their apps for the various Windows 
platform? For example, one could find oneself in the position of maintaining 
a Win16 version, a Win32s version, and another Win32 version which takes 
advantage of NT stuff like multithreading. The big stuff will probably just 
immediately jump to the high-end platform (e.g., Mathematica, AutoCAD), 
but things like word processors may stay Win16 and (probably) Win32s 
without taking advantage of any of the features found only in NT. 

Jon Mellott
High Speed Digital Architecture Laboratory
University of Florida
(jon@alpha.ee.ufl.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: Win64?
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:26:49 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug19.141643.12310@hal.com> bobp@hal.com (Bob Pendelton) writes:
>Since NT has been ported to the alpha and r4000, both 64 bit
>architectures, can we expect a 64 bit Windows API at some point int
>the future? The reason I ask is because 32 bit pointers just aren't
>long enough for a lot of apps. And I'd hate to think that on a 64 bit
>machine with N Gbytes of memory I'd have to use some weird kinds of
>handles to access memory beyond the 4G barrier (only 2 Gs under NT).

Its quite conceivable, but the first ports will be 32-bit - we do have 64-bit extents for all file i/o, and file & disk sizes, so we dont think it'll really be too limiting - but the Win32 API was designed with a move to 64-bit sometime -- Alistair
From: perkins@gamma1.ltn.dec.com (Eric Perkins)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: More than 16MB on an ISA system:
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:47:19 GMT
Reply-To: perkins@gamma1.ltn.dec.com (Eric Perkins)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

A few weeks back I asked a question if Windows-NT would support
more than 16Mb on an ISA system. It was reported that the 
necessary code was in NT to support this.

I am now glad to report that I have a 486-ISA system with 
32-MB of memory and NT has no problems working with all of
it.

I am still confused as to why the swap file is still so huge!

On my 16MB system the swap file tends to be in the 30-40Mb range,
and even on my 32-MB system it is still in that range. I appears
to me that NT is always allocating and commiting memory to the swap file
rather than just allocating memory and waiting until it is actually
used to commit it to the swap file.

Can someone from Microsoft comment on this?

-- Thanks, Eric
-- perkins@tallis.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: Win32s and Windows 3.1
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:11:54 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: Win32s

In article <8ggDPB1w165w@cyrcle.uucp> lothar@angus.mi.org writes:
>I have read that the DLLs/VxD to run Win32s under DOS/Windows will be on the
>Beta-release CD of NT (in September I believe?)
>
>I have a question:  Is Microsoft going to release upgrades for the Windows
>3.1 Program Manager, File Manager and other apps to use Win32s?
>
>How much (if any) of what we know of as DOS/Windows 3.1 today will be using
>Win32s in 3 months, 6 months, etc...?  Will this become the desired
>"platform" for Windows apps?

Win32s is a set of 32-bit extensions to Windows 3.1 - Windows 3.1 will continue
to run Win16 apps, and Win16 & Win32 apps can communicate using the clipboard,
DDE, OLE, WM_ messages etc - there would simply be no reason (that I can think
of) to update the shell pieces until a next major release of Windows, when
that is indeed palnned to happen

Yes, we belive that with Windows NT and Win32s, that the 32-bit Windows API
will become the most desirable API for Windows apps -- Alistair
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: jason@media.mit.edu (Jason A. Kinchen)
Subject: PC-NFS under NT?
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:15:26 GMT

Has anyone had any luck getting NT to recognize PC-NFS or any other
DOS-based TCP/IP program?  Any pointers or suggestions appreciated.

Please respond to:

jason@mathworks.com

Thanks.

-- 
Jason Kinchen
jason@media-lab.MIT.EDU
From: kevin@edscom.demon.co.uk (Kevin Broadey)
Date: 19 Aug 92 10:38:32
Organization: EDS-Scicon, Milton Keynes, UK
In-reply-to: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk's message of Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:39:06 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: FILETIME and Pope Gregory XIII 
	<714170346snx@apusapus.demon.co.uk>
Distribution: world

To: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins)
In-reply-to: tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk's message of Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:39:06 +0000
Subject: FILETIME and Pope Gregory XIII 
--text follows this line--
   In article <KEVIN.92Aug18150139@buffalobill.edscom.demon.co.uk> kevin@edscom.demon.co.uk writes:

   > Okay, I've got to ask this one.  Sorry if it's an FAQ, but MicroSoft have
   > really set themselves up for it...
   > 
   > The documentation for the FILETIME structure says it holds the number of
   > 100ns intervals since January 1st, 1601.
   > 
   > Does it account for the 11 days "lost" between 2nd and 14th September
   > 1752 when the Gregorian calendar was adopted by Great Britain and her
   > colonies> (including the USA)?

   I doubt it very much. The calendar application under X-windos does make the
   necessary correctionS.

I was thinking about the problem the other way round.  i.e. *whose*
January 1st 1601 are MicroSoft talking about?  The 100ns count for today will
be different for Vatican City compared to London, for example.

   > Also, does NT's internationalisation allow for the fact that other
   > European countries adopted the Gregorian calendar in 1582?

   It is really not as simple as other european countries than England and
   Wales adopting the Gregorian calendar in 1582. Scotland to bring it a
   little closer to home changed in 1600. Russia changed in 1917. Alsaka
   didn't change until the 1800s (when it was purchased from Imperial Russia).

Okay, okay, okay.  I didn't say *all* other European countries.  My Collins
Dictionary didn't go into the finer details.

   Many states still do not use the Gregorian calendar and for religious
   reason will NEVER adopt it. 

   All this causes considerable problems to anyone who is trying to write
   software that really MUST work with dates that far back in time and from
   all thoe places.

   > Yours facetiously

   You might have intended it so but it as I say a REAL problem to me as I am
   writing historical analysis software.

You're right again.  It *is* a problem to you, but as long a `nmake' can spot
that I file has been changed in the last day or two, I'm not overly bothered
about what Queen Elizabeth was up to.
--
Kevin Broadey <kbroadey@edscom.demon.co.uk>
EDS-Scicon, Wavendon Tower, Wavendon, Milton Keynes, MK17 8LX, England.
Phone: +44 908 284198 (direct) or +44 908 585858 ext 4198
These opinions are mine: others available on request.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: heller@netcom.com (MAMA DAEMON)
Subject: Re: AHA-1542B + NEC CDR-84
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 17:25:48 GMT
Organization: Teradyne ATWC

In article <183021@pyramid.pyramid.com> atam@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Alexander Tam) writes:

>I have a NEC CDR-84 CD-ROM drive connected to an Adaptec AHA-1542B. Since I am
>still waiting for my 486/33 EISA machine to come, NT has not been installed
>yet. I don't have the Adaptec CD-ROM driver, ASW-410. Do I need it or NT will
>provide a similar driver? Or, do I need to ask NEC for a CD-ROM driver instead?
>Does anyone, with the above two hardwares installed in their computer, get NT
>running without any problems? If, in case, you get some problems in installatn,
>what kind of trouble is that and how do you solve it? Thank you very, very
>much in advance for responses.
>
>Alex
>atam@eng.pyramid.com

Alex, you're lucky.  You're starting off with one of the few supported SCSI
adapters on the 5-1/2" boot floppy.  The floppy has the driver you need.  We
have the CDR-74 (external model of the 84, I believe), and we had to purchase
the Adaptec 1542b because we couldn't get NT loaded using the T128 NEC SCSI
adapter that we bought w/the cdrom drive.

Just yesterday I loaded NT and, as far as the cdrom goes, we had NO PROBLEMS
at all.  Besure to set your jumper correctly on the adaptec for booting from
the floppy, however.  In our case, the default jumper setting didn't allow
us to boot from the floppy, and after changing it, we were off and running.

Enjoy!
			deb
From: atam@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Alexander Tam)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Microsoft NT staff please read
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:26:12 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

There are a lot of people,including myself, out here on the internet network
don't have access to Compuserve. If NT is really going to compete with UNIX,
you have to let someone on the UNIX network know what you are doing. Please
post ALL the articles, bug report form, Q&A, announcements,etc. you put in
Compuserve to somewhere on internet. You may either post them to
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32 or open another news group. Do you 
understand?
From: sammy@anagld.analytics.com (Sam Blackburn)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Device Drivers
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:55:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation - Systems Engineering Division

jones@kira.uvm.edu (Mike Jones) writes:


>	Anybody know the man page (if one exists) for writing device
>drivers for NT ?  I just got my CD this week and am still looking for
>a system that can handle the beast.

I thought the NT DDK (Device Driver Development Kit) was due to be out
Oct 26-28 to coincide with their conference?
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: joiner@myria.cs.umn.edu (Jay K. Joiner)
Subject: Re: NT install hangs - what's wrong?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 01:38:34 GMT

In <1992Aug14.150359.12408@inmet.camb.inmet.com> newbie@dylan.camb.inmet.com (Chris Newbold) writes:

>I'm trying to install the NT pre-beta on my Insight 486/33 EISA. It has
>8MB RAM, Adaptec 1542B (rev F) SCSI controller, Diamond Stealth VRAM, 2
>SCSI disks and Sony CDU-541 CD-ROM.


Could it be the 8 Meg RAM?  Maybe the native setup checks for at
least 12 Meg.  

Jay Joiner
From: CJS@psuvm.psu.edu (Christopher Sacksteder)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Can Flexboot be removed temporarily?
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:58:02 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Is there a way to remove the the flexboot/multiboot/portable booter (I've
found only 3 names so far!) just temporarily?  Like perhaps renaming on
of the files or such?

I'm going through a phase of rebooting the DOS 10,000 times per day, and
speed is important.

Yes, I've made the default C:\ in boot.ini, and shortened the timeout.
This helps, but I'd like to skip it altogether for the time being.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: heller@netcom.com (MAMA DAEMON)
Subject: Re: Trantor SCSI host adaptor support for Windows NT
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 17:29:31 GMT
Organization: Teradyne ATWC

I can tell you from experience, the T128 NEC SCSI adaptor will not work
with this release of NT.  We're watching the WinNT forum on compuserve
for a driver posting.

deb
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy (x3357) OGT)
Subject: NT hang? 
Reply-To: rion@Ingres.COM
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 15 Aug 92 01:56:04 GMT



I had a problem logging off NT today.  I went to the Program Mgr and selected 
Logoff.  On the dialog I clicked on Shut Down and hit OK.  A lot of icons 
dissappeared, but one MSDOS prompt window stayed and then the logoff dialog 
went blank.  Nothing happened.  Then I used the task manager to kill the 
logoff dialog.  I found that I could not kill the window with the MSDOS 
prompt.  The program manager was still there so I tried Pview. It didn't list 
the DOS prompt window. The task manager DID show that window, but 'End Task' 
just maximized it, instead of killing it.

Following all this I tried the logoff window again several times. Each time 
the disk would make some noises, but the logoff dialog just disappeared and 
nothing happened.  I was trapped in NT limbo!!  Further experimentation 
convinced me that things were not responding to mouse input correctly (icons 
dissappear when I click on them, minmizing the program mgr does not clear it 
from the screen,etc.).

Then I tried doing an 'End task' on the program mgr.  That just left a mess 
of half painted windows.  Ctrl-Alt-Del did nothing (is it supposed to 
reboot with that?).  The only thing left was the reset button.

Anyone else experienced anything like this?
From: mehr@fluke.tc.fluke.com (Manooch Mehr)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Win32 and 16 bit bus
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:34:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA


  Hi :


     I am planning to buy a 486 33MHz system with a 16 bit bus. I would like to
     know if I can run win32 apps. on this system.

     What is the minimum hardware configuration for win32 and NT. I would like to
     use the system for development of win32 apps.
      
     Please, I need an answer quickly. You can send me an email.
From: linas@hparc0.aus.hp.com (Linas Petras)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:59:41 GMT
Subject: Re: NT beta release, free for developers?
Organization: HP Australasian Response Centre (Melbourne)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks) writes:
: In article <3f2mgrq.alextam@netcom.com> alextam@netcom.com (Alexander Tam) writes:
: 
: 
: Yes, you'll get updates up to and including the final release - so
: you _will_ get something that can replace ms-dos & windows 3.1 -- Alistair

	Will this be the "Runtime" system or a "Developers" system, including
	the compilers, and other development tools etc.... ??
-- 
Linas Petras
The comments are my own and do not represent	Hewlett-Packard Aust Ltd.
the views of my employeer			Phone: +61 3 895 2744
						Internet:linas@hparc0.aus.HP.COM
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: vscarafi@eccdb1.pms.ford.com (Vincent F. Scarafino)
Subject: Re: cpu thermometer 
Originator: news@pms001
Organization: Ford Motor Co.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 17:10:41 GMT

rion@Ingres.COM (Rion Cassidy (x3357) OGT) writes:
> 
> I was looking at the CPU thermometer that comes with the development tools.
> It has three bars labelled U, K, and T.  I guess that is for User, Kernel,
> and Task switch.  Does anyone (e.g. Microsoft) know for sure?
> 
> The scale on these bars goes from 0-100.  At first I thought this meant
> percent of CPU time, but then noticed that they normally add up to well
> over 100.  During a compile, U ranges from 30-80, K from 5-40, and 
> T from 80-100.
> 
> What is this thing telling me?
> 
> Rion

Looks to me like "T" stands for Total.  It looks as though T = U + K
consistantly.

Vince
From: heller@netcom.com (MAMA DAEMON)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Microsoft NT staff please read
Summary: Netnews, Compuserve and Microsoft
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:10:29 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug20.064316.12957@microsoft.com> alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks) writes:
>In article <183052@pyramid.pyramid.com> atam@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Alexander Tam) writes:
>>There are a lot of people,including myself, out here on the internet network
>>don't have access to Compuserve. 
	< stuff deleted... brevity >

>As I've posted many times here and elsewhere - we'd like to treat
>internet & netnews connected people better, and we're looking into
>it. 

  I, for one, am glad that there is *any* netnews support at all!  I'm more 
  glad that Alistair hints that we may be getting more attention.  Personally,
  I found it difficult to muck around in CompuserveLand.  I can't browse 
  quickely and easily.  Not like with a good news reader (trn is my current
  favorite).

>netnews - so again, (put this in the FAQ!) we're trying, we put
>some stuff on ftp.uu.net, but our access isn't easy from our internal

 Speaking of FAQ, this should be checked by ANYONE new to this group.  I've
 been reading it for a few weeks, and we seeem to be on the 3rd round of
 same-old-questions (especially those regarding drivers for CDROM).

>working towards an ftp.microsoft.com server, but I can't promise any
>timeframes - until then, compuserve, or a friend with compuserve, are the
>only official support routes. Gripes and flames are not needed - I'm on
>your side - I'm here, right? -- Alistair

	Thanx, Alistair.  I think that sometimes working with Beta, or
 pre-Beta software, documentation, etc. can make some of us (ME!) kinda
 edgey.  I've got a program mgr on my back wanting the net to work on
 NT, (see post on "tcpipsvc"), and I've been going through fits and
 starts with it.

 Hang in there, everyone.  The Sept. release is just around the corner (or
 so they tell me!).


 Debbie Heller
 heller@netcom.com (deb@zehntel.com)

				(aka MOTHER DAEMON)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: rrohbeck@kboeng.dec.com (Ralf-Peter Rohbeck)
Subject: Re: NT beta release, free for developers?
Reply-To: rrohbeck@kboeng.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Int. GmbH
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:07:59 GMT


In article <1992Aug13.025941.2024@hparc0.aus.hp.com>, linas@hparc0.aus.hp.com (Linas Petras) writes:
>alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks) writes:
>: In article <3f2mgrq.alextam@netcom.com> alextam@netcom.com (Alexander Tam) writes:
>: 
>: 
>: Yes, you'll get updates up to and including the final release - so
>: you _will_ get something that can replace ms-dos & windows 3.1 -- Alistair
>
>	Will this be the "Runtime" system or a "Developers" system, including
>	the compilers, and other development tools etc.... ??
I understand you get the development system, which includes the OS, tools
and doc files. Don't know for sure yet, MS and their outlet didn't come up
to speed in Germany till now :-( 
Some time ago I read that this doesn't necessarily imply you'll get updates
on the compilers, i.e. you get a "snapshot" of MSC with each SDK, but
you don't have anything like an MSC license (now would that be a bargain!)
Maybe Alistair could elaborate. There have been lots of small statements
scattered around. Could somebody at MS post the official upgrade policy,
what licenses you have and which you don't etc. ?
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