HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
Subject: Re: i love god
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:29:16 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <1993Jan4.184250.22277@megatek.com> fritzz@megatek.com writes:
>In article <C0Bp8r.LpH@fulcrum.co.uk> rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:
>>I find it unlikely that God would use such a select mechanism as the net to
>>spread the word. You would do better to buy out a newpaper magnate, pal.
>
>Yeah, right. Like anybody reads a newspaper anymore...

Sorry, I forgot Americans can't read anymore. :-)

Newspapers can be openly biased, television stations tend to be reasonably
well controlled by the state (at least, in the UK anyway).


Regards,
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism,alt.peeves
From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: Re: I love santa
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:20:28 GMT

<In article <1ifgu0INN290@tamsun.tamu.edu> jah7931@tamsun.tamu.edu (J A Hogard) writes:
<   In article <1993Jan6.131102.2649@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc2mlh@dct.ac.uk (Matt Haswell) writes:
<   >
<   >Er hey.

<   Hey!!

	Hay!

<   >Is this group for people who love Santa? (santa -ism?)

<   I happen to HATE Santa.  He never ever brought me 
<   anything I asked for.  
<   So there.

	Well, then, this may not be the group for you.
	But I'll crosspost this to a group that might
	be more appropriate....

<>******************************************************************************
<>Matt Haswell.....Student at DIT                 Janet : mcsdc2mlh@dct.ac.uk
<>******************************************************************************

<   --jim ( no sig)

<   P.S.: I hate God, too. 

	Well, Jim, I guess we won't be crossposting to alt.good.news....
From: mcsdc2mlh@dct.ac.uk (Matt Haswell)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.santaism
Subject: I love santa
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:11:02 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


Er hey.

Is this group for people who love Santa? (santa -ism?)

If not then why not?

-- 
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Matt Haswell.....Student at DIT                 Janet : mcsdc2mlh@dct.ac.uk
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Xref: sparky alt.current-events.somalia:809 talk.politics.mideast:25221 talk.politics.misc:67323
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Somalia: The REAL U.S. mission
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:26:38 GMT

In article <2169@celia.UUCP> celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree) writes:
}In article <1993Jan7.131636.10067@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
}>An interesting statement. I have seen the media giving a "no comment" stated
}>as proof of their control by government also.  It appears to be the case that
}>if the media gives no picture, or any picture at all that does not agree
}>with your preconceptions, that their statements, or lack of statements, are
}>taken by you as proof positive of what you wish.  What would constitute
}>"proof positive" of otherwise (other than, of course, simply mouthing
}>YOUR propaganda)?
}
} I get the feeling that the situation is being used to try to silence the
}growing anarchy crowd. That was my own opinion and was based on my own per-
}ceptions. Just trying to be entertaining :>

Ah, I see.  It wasn't "proof positive", as you claimed, but only a "feeling"
that is your "opinion" based on your preceptions.  I understand.


Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Somalia: The REAL U.S. mission
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:16:36 GMT

In article <2158@celia.UUCP> celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree) writes:
}In article <C0EBGL.2CJ@apollo.hp.com> goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes:
}->    What we have in Somalia is colonialism, pure and simple, only this
}->    time around Somalis will have to cope with multiple colonial masters.
}
} Everyone might agree that starving people should be feed, however what really
}bothers me is listening to the Media Elites describe the situation over there.
} "They have Anarchy", "My God, they have no government", "How could it get
}  any worse".
} More proof positive that the vast majority of the media is just a propaganda
}wing of BIG government.

An interesting statement. I have seen the media giving a "no comment" stated
as proof of their control by government also.  It appears to be the case that
if the media gives no picture, or any picture at all that does not agree
with your preconceptions, that their statements, or lack of statements, are
taken by you as proof positive of what you wish.  What would constitute
"proof positive" of otherwise (other than, of course, simply mouthing
YOUR propaganda)?


Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia,talk.politics.mideast
From: cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman)
Subject: Re: Somalia: The REAL U.S. mission
Organization: Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Date:  5 Jan 93 22:32:02 GMT

In <C0EBGL.2CJ@apollo.hp.com> goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes:

>    What we have in Somalia is colonialism, pure and simple, only this
>    time around Somalis will have to cope with multiple colonial masters.

You are right of course. The world should have simply let every Somalian
die, either by starvation or by the gun. I assume this is what you would
have wished for.

>    Another word, neo-colonialism to colonialism is what gang rape is to rape.

Whatever the motives of Bush are (I think he simply wants to make
himself look good for the history books) no one can deny that the
US presence in SOmalia will save thousands of lives. I would rather
see the US Army save live instead of end them.
--
cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu

"One likes to believe in the freedom of baseball" - Geddy Lee
Xref: sparky alt.current-events.somalia:798 talk.politics.mideast:25117 talk.politics.misc:67027
From: steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree)
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Somalia: The REAL U.S. mission
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:28:06 GMT
Reply-To: celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

In article <1993Jan8.212638.13744@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
->In article <2169@celia.UUCP> celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree) writes:
->} I get the feeling that the situation is being used to try to silence the
->}growing anarchy crowd. That was my own opinion and was based on my own per-
->}ceptions. Just trying to be entertaining :>

->Ah, I see.  It wasn't "proof positive", as you claimed, but only a "feeling"
->that is your "opinion" based on your preceptions.  I understand.

 Sorry, you are equating an opinion on what their motives were with the
fact that they showed bias in the first place. Have you ever hosted Cross-
fire ? 

 Steve Tyree - These opinions are mine and mine alone.
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia
Subject: Re: Somalia: The REAL U.S. mission
Date: 6 Jan 1993 13:25:22 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Distribution: world
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In <C0EBGL.2CJ@apollo.hp.com> goykhman@apollo.hp.com writes:

>     What we have in Somalia is colonialism, pure and simple, only this
>     time around Somalis will have to cope with multiple colonial masters.

  Perhaps you should explain exactly how and why you see this as colonialism,
and then perhaps there might actually be something to debate.  As it is, your
statement is merely Truth By Blatant Assertion.  Show me why it is colonialism,
don't just say it is!

>     Another word, neo-colonialism to colonialism is what gang rape is to rape.

  And using such loaded terms as rape, tsk.  Besides, that probably should be
"multi-colonialism",  not "neo-colonialism", since "neo" simply means "new".


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia
From: yarvin@cs.yale.edu (Norman Yarvin)
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia
Subject: Re: Disarming?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 16:41:58 -0500
Organization: Yale Computer Science Department
Distribution: world
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HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:

>  In response to attacks upon itself and some sporadic violence, the US
>Marines in Mogadishu have begun cracking down on arms caches and dealers.  I
>think most of us would agree that this is a Good Thing [tm].  Bush
>previously has stated he did not want to become involved in this way,
>despite the wishes of the UN Secretary General (whose name I will not try to
>spell).  The increasing violence may well have forced the Pentagon's hand,
>since some Somali clans apparently mistook the "let sleeping dogs lie"
>attitude of the Marines and other troops for weakness or unwillingness to
>get involved.

No, it was not the clans who made this mistake.  It was the unorganized
lawless element.  This current operation to 'clean up' certain areas of
Mogadishu was preceded by an agreement that the warlords would withdraw
their forces.

You see, there is no reason we have to treat all Somalis alike.  The armies
of the warlords have a certain amount of power, and unless we fight and
destroy them we can not take it away.  On the other hand, with the local
thugs, there is no social order to destroy.  To quote J. F. C. Fuller,
"When the aims of policy are constructive rather than destructive, war as an
instrument of policy may be waged at high profit."  This is not quite a war,
but the conclusion still holds.

>  Unless the local thuggery displays more
>common sense than they have so far, they may be given an object lesson in
>firepower and training.  I fear that true peace will not come to Somalia
>until many of these groups go the way of the Dodo bird.

One cannot make a government out of nothing.  The clans may not meet your
standards of civilized conduct, but there is no other native form of
government to work with.

--
Norman Yarvin						yarvin@cs.yale.edu
 "Zigzag, n. To move forward uncertainly, from side to side, as one carrying
  the white man's burden." -- Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_
From: johnch@test22.sun.com (Where are the Prawns?)
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia
Subject: Re: WHAT?!?!?!
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:27:43
Organization: Impossible Missions Force
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In-reply-to: yarvin@cs.yale.edu's message of 27 Dec 1992 16:39:20 -0500

In article <1hl7q8INNnql@CATHY.NA.CS.YALE.EDU> yarvin@cs.yale.edu (Norman Yarvin) writes:

   Date: 27 Dec 1992 16:39:20 -0500
   Organization: Yale Computer Science Department
   References: <1992Dec22.182540.5282@sunova.ssc> <1766500006@igc.apc.org>
   NNTP-Posting-Host: cathy.na.cs.yale.edu

	[ . . . ]

   But that corruption was minor compared to what went on in Africa.  There was
   plenty of food piled up at the ports at the same time as people were dying
   in the interior.  The government would not provide trucks to transport the
   food, and this was a Marxist government which owned all the trucks in the
                        ^^^^^
	[ . . . ]

   For it had become evident that the government was using the famine
   to kill off people in areas which were controlled by antigovernment rebels.

Where does Marx advise killing off the population by starving them?  I
doubt that he ever did, any more than Thomas Jefferson advised
shooting coffee farmers in their fields to get them to see the light
of democracy.  If you worry about what's done in your name, don't
become a historical figure.

John C

Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Somalia: The REAL U.S. mission
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:36:12 GMT

In article <2175@celia.UUCP> celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree) writes:
}In article <1993Jan8.212638.13744@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
}->In article <2169@celia.UUCP> celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree) writes:
}->} I get the feeling that the situation is being used to try to silence the
}->}growing anarchy crowd. That was my own opinion and was based on my own per-
}->}ceptions. Just trying to be entertaining :>
}
}->Ah, I see.  It wasn't "proof positive", as you claimed, but only a "feeling"
}->that is your "opinion" based on your preceptions.  I understand.
}
} Sorry, you are equating an opinion on what their motives were with the
}fact that they showed bias in the first place. 

Sorry, I read what you wrote.
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia
Subject: Re: Disarming?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 21:46:01 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Distribution: world
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In <1ivdv9INNre1@CATHY.NA.CS.YALE.EDU> yarvin@cs.yale.edu writes:

> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
> 
> >  In response to attacks upon itself and some sporadic violence, the US
> >Marines in Mogadishu have begun cracking down on arms caches and dealers.  I
> >think most of us would agree that this is a Good Thing [tm].  Bush
> >previously has stated he did not want to become involved in this way,
> >despite the wishes of the UN Secretary General (whose name I will not try to
> >spell).  The increasing violence may well have forced the Pentagon's hand,
> >since some Somali clans apparently mistook the "let sleeping dogs lie"
> >attitude of the Marines and other troops for weakness or unwillingness to
> >get involved.
> 
> No, it was not the clans who made this mistake.  It was the unorganized
> lawless element.  This current operation to 'clean up' certain areas of
> Mogadishu was preceded by an agreement that the warlords would withdraw
> their forces.

  I stand corrected.

> You see, there is no reason we have to treat all Somalis alike.

  I hope I did not imply we should.

> >  Unless the local thuggery displays more
> >common sense than they have so far, they may be given an object lesson in
> >firepower and training.  I fear that true peace will not come to Somalia
> >until many of these groups go the way of the Dodo bird.
> 
> One cannot make a government out of nothing.  The clans may not meet your
> standards of civilized conduct, but there is no other native form of
> government to work with.

  True enough.  But note I said "many", not "all".  Too many cooks, no?


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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Xref: sparky alt.current-events.somalia:786 talk.politics.mideast:24858 talk.politics.misc:66465
From: steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree)
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Somalia: The REAL U.S. mission
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:47:53 GMT
Reply-To: celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

In article <C0EBGL.2CJ@apollo.hp.com> goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes:
->    What we have in Somalia is colonialism, pure and simple, only this
->    time around Somalis will have to cope with multiple colonial masters.

 Everyone might agree that starving people should be feed, however what really
bothers me is listening to the Media Elites describe the situation over there.
 "They have Anarchy", "My God, they have no government", "How could it get
  any worse".
 More proof positive that the vast majority of the media is just a propaganda
wing of BIG government. We are getting close to the time when market changes
and technological advances will be occuring so fast that centralized, statist
control will be impossible to perform efficiently. That of course has never 
stopped them in the past. The current communication revolution should furnish
everyone with a powerful workstation and access to unaltered information. We
will no longer need someone to 'explain-it' to us. Look for statist interven-
tion from the elites who want to keep their monopoly of the facts.

 Steve Tyree - These opinions are mine and mine alone.
From: ck442@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Floyd Low)
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia
Subject: UNITED NATIONS MILITARY RELIEF OPERATIONS
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:14:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


THIS SHOIULD BE THE TITLE OF THIS CURRENT EBVENTS FILE.
DOES NAY   ANY ONE OUT THERE KNOW WHATS GOING ON IN CAMOBODIA
WHRE UP TO 30,000 UN TROOPS ARE? a CLASSIC CASE of OUR MEWDIA MEDIA
NOT COVERING STORIES BUT COVERING THE STORY OF THE MOST VISIBLE
ACTIVITY..  iN THE WEEKEND NEW YOORK TIMES (SUN) TRHERE WAS A STORY THAT SAID THAT SERB TANKS WERE OPERATING BETWEEN DOWNTOWN SARJEVO AND THE AIRPORT. THIS IS NOT A GOOD SIGN AS THE SIGNIFICANCE IS THAT ( TO ME AT LEAST) THAT THE SECONTROL OF AIRPORT.

also, UN SECURITY SEEMS TO BE INCREDUBLY LAX (PARDON MY MONDAY AM TYPING) HENCE
WE SHOULD EXPECT TO SEE MEASURES TO RESTORE THE INITIATIVE IN THE UN FAVOUR. cOMMENTS?

MY TYPING IS ATROCIOUS! LAST LINE SHOULD READ SERBS CONTROL THE AIRPORT, THIS MEANS TROUBLE.
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc
From: goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring)
Subject: Re: Somalia: The REAL U.S. mission
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:29:09 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Dec29.200943.16033@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:
>In article <92364.133649U38026@uicvm.uic.edu> <U38026@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>I happen to locate some interesting information on Somalia.  I think
>>most people would find this most interesting in light of the so called
>>"humanitarian" mission, Restore Hope.  The issues that are most
>>pertinent to issue of U.S. military intervention are marked with a "**".
>>If you know anything about US imperialism, here's more fuel for the
>>fire. I obtained this information through The Software Labs (a shareware
>>distribution company based in Los Angeles, California), 1-800-359-9998,
>>"The World Factbook 1990 Electronic Version, 3 disks (3316,3317,3318)".
>
>I am no fan of George Bush's - in fact anything but - yet I find it
>humorous how some can immediately sieze on an intervention with broad
>multi-national support - indeed UN sponsorship - and call it an
>excercise of imperialism. ...

    What we have in Somalia is colonialism, pure and simple, only this
    time around Somalis will have to cope with multiple colonial masters.

    Another word, neo-colonialism to colonialism is what gang rape is to rape.
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia
Subject: Re: Somalia: The REAL U.S. mission
Date: 12 Jan 1993 21:15:09 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Distribution: world
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In <93012.134301U38026@uicvm.uic.edu> <U38026@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

> In article <1993Jan11.171922.22140@seachg.uucp>, chrisb@seachg.uucp (Chris
> Blask) says:
> >At the same time, I wouldn't be surprised if the various intelligence
> >agaencies DO try, and sometimes succeed, in influencing the news.  The
> >reason this is not a big worry, is that other news agencies will cover the
> >story, or turn it up in the future.  The neat thing about a Free Press, is
> >that it tends to lurch around to the truth in the end.  It is clumsy and
> >ineffiecient, and responds to the shoddiest of motivations, but is
> >impossible to entirely control no matter HOW much power and influence a
> >government or agency may have.  But to say that the millions of people
> >working in the media are on some Secret Team to further the goals of george
> >Bush is absolutely and uncontestably insane.

> Well, Chris what would you say to the fact that 75% of the foreign
> news correspondants have connections with the CIA.  (Reported by the
> NYT) This  is not to say they are payed by the CIA or work for them, but
> the CIA opinion or assessment of a situation is always considered and
> more than partial represented in their reports.  I have even heard that
> they sometimes reporters don't even step out of their hotels to do a report.
> But call up the US embassy in that country and report what embassy told
> them.

  It tells me that the CIA has a nasty potential for leaks!

  More calmly, the US CIA gathers tons of data daily, much of it eventually
appears as unclassified reports (such as the World Fact Book) -- they often
know a lot of stuff (it's interpreting that data where the problems lie).
That a foreign reporter would attempt to use the CIA to get information on
something is hardly surprising and (IMO) no cause to fear a conspiracy.
Ditto the embassies.  If a reporter did NOT check with such a ready source
of data I'd have them fired!


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: johnch@test22.sun.com (Where are the Prawns?)
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.somalia
Subject: Re: Somalia
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:04:31
Organization: Impossible Missions Force
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In-reply-to: al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 1 Jan 1993 21:24:46 GMT

In article <1i2cquINN9ru@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka) writes: