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From: johnnyp@HALDI.LCS.MIT.EDU (Johnny Piscitello)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "The Outcast": a missed opportunity
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:54:36 GMT
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Originator: johnnyp@HALDI.LCS.MIT.EDU


In article <BtLp7F.H46.1@cs.cmu.edu>, mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz) writes:
|> gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....) writes:
|> >mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz) writes:
|> >>Laura_Halliday@mindlink.bc.ca (Laura Halliday) writes:
|> >>>`The Outcast' was a major disappointment in many ways, not the least of 
|> >>>which
|> >>>was that all but one of the supposed androgynes looked approximately female,
|> >>>and not androgynous at all. Grumble.
|> 
|> >>The problem, of course, is that they're confined to using human actors, and
|> 
|> >	Got two words for ya.....
|> >	M. BUTTERFLY.
|> >	(Now there's a SKILL component here, but that's a whole 'nuther
|> >matter.....)
|> 
|> Huh?  What has "The Outcast" got to do with a (IMO) highly overrated opera?
|> You lost me here, Roger...
|> 

	You're lost on numerous counts.

	M. Butterfly is a play. You're confusing it with Madame Butterfly, the
opera upon which it is based.

	In M. Butterfly, this serviceman guy has a lover from Japan, who looks
like a woman, but he finds out later that the whole time "she" was a man. He
has like a 10-year affair with him and the whole time he thought he was a woman.

	The point is, for the play to work, the director has to do a good
job of convincing the audience that the guy could be fooled. A *very* good job.
A male actor has to become female on stage.

	What does "the Outcast" have to do with it? Your claim was that
in "the Outcast" the androgynes looked female because they were limited to
using human actors. However in M. Butterfly, a male actor becomes very 
convincingly female. Thus your statement that human actors cannot convincingly
play the role of the opposite sex (or a neutral sexual role) has a
counterexample.

	I think the reason why they looked female was because if they looked
too male, audiences would have had a hard time believing Riker would fall for
one of them. The producers decided it was safer to cast them all female, even
though Frakes wanted to have a male cast in his lover's role.

Johnny P.  . . .. .....  . . . .. .   . ...  . . .           .. ..........
MIT_LCS  .    . . . .         ..      .......  .....   . .........  .  ...
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From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: STTNG Season SIX Broadcast Schedule
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:23:48 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <brian_vickers-310892094119@137.79.110.112>, brian_vickers@isd (Brian Vickers) writes:
>Does anyone have plot synopsises (sp?) for these?

Sure.

>> 127.  09/19/92  227                Time's Arrow II

Data undergoes severe damage when a swarm of fruit flies mistake his head
for a banana.

>> 128.  09/26/92  228                Realm of Fear

Lwuxana is back.  'Nuff said. =:-O

>> 129.  10/03/92  229                Man of the People

Those "Picard/Riker in 92" rumors turn out to have a basis in fact.

>> 130.  10/10/92  230                Relics

This is the first of the long anticipated "Early Pink Floyd album" episodes.
Be sure to watch for "Umma Gumma" and "Atom Heart Mother" later this season.

>> 131.  10/17/92  231                Schisms

Guinan and Deanna have a massive row about whose job it is to dispense
advice to the crew.  A fight to the death ensues, and Guinan's recent
fencing lessons ("I, Borg") play a decisive factor.

>> 132.  10/24/92  232                Q-Me

Q returns, sending the crew back to the old west as bounty hunters.  Any
resemblance to recent or up-coming big-budget movies is purely intentional.

-- 
Essentia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatum -- William of Ockham
(Fact need not be multiplied beyond necessity)
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From: ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: as the Swedish Chef would say...   (Borg! Borg! Borg!)
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:41:43 GMT

			I don't have a quoting feature on here, so this is
going to be a collection of random thoughts...
			
			the Borg are aware of the Klingons, they just haven't
examined them enough to orchestrate an attack (Locutus: (looking at Worf)
"Klingon species.. you too will become one with the Borg" Worf: " I like my
*species* the way it is")
			I think the Borg only go after civilizations which are
at an equal or greater technology level to their own... they're trying to
"improve the quality of life", remember, and there's no sense in enhancing
themselves with inferior equipment. Any smaller attacks are "samplings",
readings of a small population sample to see if the whole place is worth
assimilating.
			I guess humanoid forms must be very likely in the
universe, either that or those are the bodies of people at those outposts that
were destroyed a while back around the middle of season 2 or so. It may also be
as simple as wanting to make costuming as simple as possible.
			Now what *I* wanna see, assuming that they do show
assimilated Klingons and Romulans, is this little following-through of logic...
if the K's or R's were assimilated, then their ships' computers must have been
read, and analyzed, and their knowledge added... 
			So am I the only one who isn't a little scared of the
prospect of cloaked Borg ships? =) 

						-Chris 
				                 ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu

Editor and Layout Coordinator for UpComing, the Magazine of Speculative 
Fiction... submissions BY SNAIL MAIL ONLY are cheerfully and rather 
gratefully accepted, though letters of inquiry by email are fine.
For info on the magazine, e-mail to address above... to submit, send with 
SASE to UpComing, Box 566, Hampshire College, Amherst, Mass., 01002, 
USA.

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From: lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: ST: TNG actors on other series
Organization: DSC
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:59:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.095929.931@galaxy.gov.bc.ca>, gbrach@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
> 
> In article <4ec6Ok200UjU81UUVk@andrew.cmu.edu>, jp45+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jim Thomas Park , Jr.) writes:
> > In article <1684A128D9.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>,
> > YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
> >> 
> >>     Here is one I've forgotten.  Gates McFadden has a very small role
> >> in Muppets Take Manhatten as a secretary for a Broadway agent near the
> >> beginning of the movie.
> > 
> > Here's another on for Gates. She was in The Hunt for Red October. She
> > was Alec Baldwin's character's wife I believe.
> > 
> 
> Problem with this citation:  Gates was left on the cutting room floor of that
> movie...

If Gates was left on the cutting room floor of Hunt For Red October, how come
I SAW her in that movie???????
> 
> 
> -- 
>     g  b    gbrach@galaxy.gov.bc.ca	"We come in Peace, shoot to kill,
> gggg   b    Victoria, B. C.	 	 We come in Peace, shoot to kill, men"
> g  g t b    (God's waiting room)		_Star Trekking_, The Firm
> ggggtttbbbb  
>    g t b  b 		"Am I the witness, or am I the crime
> g  g t bbbb		 A victim of circumstance, or just a sign of the times"
> gggg  tt        				J. Clegg
> 
> 
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From: 00ajpayne@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek
Subject: Re: Jim Doohan on CNN Showbiz Today *SPOILERS*
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:51:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.011132.8047@nntp.uoregon.edu>, wesiegel@cie.uoregon.edu (William Siegel) writes:
> 
> James Doohan discusses a bit of the plot for the episode "Relics" and he 
> talks about working with the Enterprise-D's engineer to save the Enterprise.
> 
> Maybe the engineer is Geordi, although his other comments about ST:TNG being
> the best science fiction to be seen over the next 15 to 20 years might 
> indicate that Scotty could be a permanent cast member at some point and 
> definatelya character who is a relatively regular guest, like Roxanna Troi.
                                                                ^^^^^^^
								^^^^^^^

Roxanna Troi, who the hell is that......
	A betazoid punk rock singer it sounds like.....

Sorry no Roxanna here, only us people with real brains.



> 
> Just a few thoughts.
> 
>>
>>-- 
>>Tom Kuchar			  
>>kuchar@buast7.bu.edu		  -or-                      kuchar@plh.af.mil
>>Department of Astronomy		                     Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
>>Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
From: phd99@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Asmodeus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Annoying Borganoids
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:31:15 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

>Why is it that ALL Borgs look human.  I understand that to be a Borg it would
>make sense that a species would need to be humanoid, but why aren't any of the
>.... 

	Mmmm - this thread is quite interesting. Even assuming that the
Borg don't bother assimilating any other beings that humans - they just
destroy them, or even if assimilating Klingons, Ferengi etc. does occur,
and we just didn't see any, there is another conjecture:

	Where did they get all the human Borg that the E encountered?
This is meant to be the first encounter with the Borg is human space,
right? So where DID they get those humans from? Does this imply that
there is another civilization of humans outside the federation, or does
it mean that the Borg were once humans (or very similar).

	Thoughts....
	Ralph.

-- 
      .
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From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Problem with Scotty being on TNG
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:24:25 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <1992Aug27.220939.9036@bsu-ucs.uucp>, 00jdbecktel@bsu-ucs writes:
>
>I also have an Irk with this theory about Scotty being on TNG.
>Isn't he just too fat to be on network television.

Unlike, say, Rosanne Arnold or (whatsizname -- the guy who plays her husband)

-- 
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From: wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez)
Subject: Re: WDCA changing TNG air time
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 15:31:33 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering
Distribution: na
Originator: wombat@coke.eng.umd.edu

In article <1992Aug26.142655.25436@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ken Kaufman) writes:
>[na distribution for those of you who are coming to Washington or who
>maintain lists]
>
>WDCA, channel 20 in Washington DC will be changing its Saturday night
>airtime for new episodes of TNG.  According to today's Washington Post,
>ST:TNG will be shown Saturdays at 7:00 PM, rather than 6:00, starting
>September 26th.  There was no mention of any changes in when the episodes
>are reshown -- 8 days later at 6:00 PM.
>
>I guess this means that DC'ers who can't pick up channel 45 in Baltimore
>will have to wait one more hour to see what happens to Data & co.
>

(I'm leaving this on na distribution.  This may be of interest to those
who see TNG on Fox affiliates.)

And even those of us who live in Baltimore may have to wait, considering 
that Fox is going to primetime programming seven times a week beginning
in late October.  This takes the 8 p.m. Tuesday spot TNG currrently
enjoys.  Anyone know what 45 is planning to do?  

-- 
Jose Gonzalez
                       Spock- "In your own way, you are as stubborn as another
                               captain of the Enterprise I once knew."
                       Picard-"Then I'm in good company, sir."
From: lon@edsi.plexus.COM (Lon Ponschock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Galileo Christmas ornament ad
Summary: Saw a new ad w. L. Nimoy for Hallmark
Keywords: collectibles
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:42:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Aug27.164201.2500
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI


I was wondering if anyone else had seen the new Hallmark ad which 
was broadcast during the reruns of STTNG for a Galileo Christmas 
ornament that lights up and talks w. Spock's voice.

	The item lists for $24.00 (U.S.) while supply lasts.

	I recently asked about any such items a the local card store and 
they did not seem to know anything about it.

	They are taking reservations for the things at a toll free number 
where one can get local dealer information, I guess.

	Sorry, I didn't copy down the phone #...
-- 
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   Posed to the Net:'Kukla, Fran & Ollie' which one is which?
   Answer: Tom Servo is Kukla, Crooow is Ollie and Joel is Fran.
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From: m1rlr01@fed.frb.gov (Rich Rauscher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine; Avery Brooks
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:13:56 GMT
Reply-To: m1rlr01@fed.frb.gov (Rich Rauscher)
Distribution: na
Organization: Federal Reserve B.O.G.

Avery Brooks gave the keynote speach at my graduation from Rutgers College '91.  
He was intense and like Patrick S., I think his foundations are in Shakespearean 
acting.  I guess I would have gotten his autograph if I knew he was going to be on DS9 :-).

plug for RU:  Paul Robeson was an alumni

Rich
From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: News to Scott
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:33:22 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College


In article <92241.170836PCHEWNI@auvm.american.edu> PCHEWNI@auvm.american.edu (Peter Chewning) writes:
>
>5. How is he going to adjust to Synthahol? Badly, I trust.

The replicators can also offer beverages with real alcohol...

By the way, what is synthanol? A substance that "tastes" like alchocol?
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas

"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."
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From: baseball@catch-the-fever.scd.ucar.edu (Gregg Walters)
Subject: Re: burger king 
Keywords: ames burger king 
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:08:41 GMT

From ncar!destroyer!news.iastate.edu!vincent1.iastate.edu!wh20 Fri Sep  4 14:00:50 MDT 1992
Article: 12841 of rec.arts.startrek.current
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From: wh20@iastate.edu (Gregory D Westwater)
Subject: burger king 
Summary: ames burger king is dishonest
Keywords: ames burger king 
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:14:13 GMT

In article 12841, wh20@iastate.edu (Gregory D Westwater) wrote >

> the burger king on downtown lincolnway cheats customers.  they gave me a punch
> card, and now that i am getting bigger and bigger items for free, they have
> stopped honoring the card.  They said it is impossible that they gave me the
> card and that they haven't seen them before.  BULLL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmm-mmm.  Sounds like the Ferengi are involved.  I can't name the episode,
but its gotta be TNG.  Wait, no, maybe it was from the Fisher King.

:-) :-)

Gregg
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From: sdeering@athena.mit.edu (Scott E Deering)
Subject: Deep Space Nine; Avery Brooks
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:56:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.150330.13540@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, urban@sideshow.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Urban) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep03.063331.6732@eng.umd.edu> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:
|> >
|> >- Avery Brooks has that deep commanding voice that should resonate on the 
|> >tube just like Stewart's.
|> 
|> Is Avery Brooks the actor who did the one-man performance as Paul
|> Robeson (in Los Angeles several months ago, probably elsewhere too)?
|> If I am not confusing names and that is the same actor, then DS9 has
|> managed to land one of the most talented people in town.  
|> 
|> [for those who do not know who Paul Robeson was, he was a multifaceted
|> black performer -- actor and singer -- of the 1930s and 40s.  His
|> performance on Broadway as Shakespeare's Othello was considered
|> definitive.  His leftist political activism put him in the path of the
|> House UnAmerican Activities Committee, who basically ruined his
|> career.  Unlike a certain Hollywood ex-president who cooperated with
|> the committee and `named names', Robeson uniquely had the guts to
|> stand up and tell the HUAC `YOU are the Un-Americans'.  Brooks's
|> performance as Robeson was nothing short of masterful.  If we are
|> indeed talking about the same actor, I am definitely warming to DS9.]
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 	Mike Urban
|> 
|> 	urban@cobra.jpl.nasa.gov
|> 


Yup. That's him! I heard him speak at M.I.T. during a dinner meeting before his 
play and noticed a few things about Avery Brooks;

a. Strong Presence; the guy really draws all the attention in a room! 
definite screen presence.

b. Very articulate and very intelligent-you can tell that he has read Shakespeare
and read it well too-his character should be very commanding and in control,
but in a different way from Patrick Stewart's character. Whereas Picard is a
fairly open individual, I think that the character of Cmdr. Sisko will 
probably be one of deeper passions and motivations. Should be a difficult
guy to read....

c. Seems like someone who picks his roles very carefully, makes them his and
and then adds several layers to them to make them complex.

The relationship (albiet a cool; one) between his character and Patrick
Stewart's in the Season Premiere of DS9 should be very interesting. What a 
cool choice....

-scott deering
sdeering@athena.mit.edu					<><
From: dpe@inel.gov (Don Palmrose)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Season Premeire:  Alexander reveals himself to really be Q
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:18:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: INEL EG&G Idaho

In article <1992Aug25.144347.17690@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ken Kaufman) writes:
> 
> Also, the crew encounters Elvis, and Data reenacts The Legend of Sleepy
> Hollow.
> 
> ==Ken
> 
> 

Gee whiz, Ken, you just _haaaaad_ to give it away !!!!!!

Boy what a [ add your favorite flamage here ].

I've got your reenactment right here... [ add appropriate dot, dash, & slash
artistic work here ]

Don Palmrose

P.S. First Picard gets to reenact William Tell legend by shooting an apple
on someone's head.   Except Picard uses a pistol with the apple on Data's head
and ends up shooting low ("damn that jerking reflex, don't get that with a 
*real* weapon like a phaser...")





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From: rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)
Subject: Re: ST:TNG actors on other series
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:41:32 GMT

willcr@bud.sos.ivy.isc.com (Will Crowder) writes:

>Well, they must have put the footage back in for the video tape then,
>because she's in there...(I guess that's pretty common--putting footage
>back for the video tape.)

>Will

   No.  I saw this movie in its initial theatrical release, and
Gates was *definitely* in it.

RC Carman

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From: v116r8ac@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Chris Nasipak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Man Trap
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:20:00 GMT
Organization: United Nations Intelligence Taskforce
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug27.132010.16971@pyra.co.uk>, jimmy@pyramid.com (Jimmy Aitken) writes...
>In <1992Aug27.112707.29226@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell) writes:
> 
>>hi
> 
>>One other strange thing. In TNG we always have a few minutes of action
>>before the credits, at some dramatic point the action stops and
>>Jean-Luc says "Space, the final frontier......". Well in last nights
>>episode we had a pre-credit sequence before Jim says "Space, the final frontier...".
>>I always thought that TOS didn't have these pre-credit sequences. Am I wrong
>>or did the Beeb rearrange it to make it like a TNG episode??
> 

Yes, you're wrong.  As I recall, TOS always had the pre-credit 
sequences.

> 
>This hit me immediately last night when watching it.  The BSKyB repeat
>last year were in the "BBC" form of Credits-Teaser-Episode as they had
>simply just used the tapes the BBC had.  It looks like the BBC may have
>a) re-edited them back
>b) got new masters.
> 
>I hope that it's the latter, as we may see some of the more "edited"
>versions of some episodes.  Well, I can dream can't I?

Huh?

> 
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From: jp45+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jim Thomas Park , Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:TNG actors on other series
Date: 30 Aug 92 06:12:00 GMT
	<1992Aug25.143645.8505@vax.oxford.ac.uk>
Organization: Comp & Comm - Computer Operations, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In article <1684A128D9.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>,
YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
> 
>     Here is one I've forgotten.  Gates McFadden has a very small role
> in Muppets Take Manhatten as a secretary for a Broadway agent near the
> beginning of the movie.

Here's another on for Gates. She was in The Hunt for Red October. She
was Alec Baldwin's character's wife I believe.

					-Jim
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: WHO IS HOTTER? TROI, CRUSHER, OR GUININ
Date: 4 Sep 1992 04:31:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

You know, I've grown tired of seeing Troi's cleavage.  Anyone know if
they'll ever get around to showing more of Crusher?  And what about
those mini skirts they use to have?  Any chance those will return as
the standard female crew wear?
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From: ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIAM)
Subject: Re: Name that Episode.
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:31:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.145117.26356@udel.edu> keiner@earthview.cms.udel.edu writes:
>I can't remember.....what was the name of the episode(s) which featured
>Spock on TNG?
>
>Thanks,
>Lou

Unification I and II

Siva

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