From: jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Anime, and He May Not
Date: 7 Sep 92 01:14:54 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <Bu6AA1.AH8@acsu.buffalo.edu> v131p9t3@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ninstar Cybermage - Back Again from the Mists!) writes:

>I wouldn't know about most of these characters, though I never niticed that 
>Priss was THAT well endowed, and Nausicaa just isn't (then again I don't
>know how old she is.)  Lum isn't all that robust, it's just more noticeable
>in the bikini 8-).

As stated in the original article.  The examples you have given are
EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE.  Hell, even in Macross they had the gratuitous
shower scene with Minmay.  Even Megazone.  In BGC, is it really,
absolutely, truly neccessary to have have all the knight sabers go through
the extensive "suit up" scenes so we can see them bend their butts, and
heave their chests?  

>Ummmmm... MALE lovely angel?  First off, The Dirty Pair's official
>codename is >Lovely Angels.

Hmm... When I was taught grammar, a world like Angels in plural, and Angel
is singualar.  Watch Sesame Street some time...

  
>There are no other lovely angels, much less male ones.  Second,

Don't mean there can't BE ONE? Be CREATIVE!


>last I checked, WWWA uses only female field operatives, so once again this 
>Characterization falls flat.  Third, though the uniform may be sexist,
there
>are MANY times when the DP are more fully clothed, and, I might add, their
>suits emphasize a physique which could be considered somewhat busty.  Sexist?

Geee?  They don't wear those uniforms 75% of the time?  Somewhat busty? 
Wow that's a new one....   If they were live action, it would be
considered grossly sexist.  Just because it's ANIME doesn't mean that it
ain't.

>Perhaps the clothing is, but at least the characters aren't helpless, little
>bimbos who spend all their time being kidnapped.  You take what you can get.

>I liked Knight Rider and A-Team.  They may not be great literature, but I found
>them highly entertaining.  And IF the costumes and figures of the characters
>ARE sexist,and in BGC I'd say you were overreacting a bit, the plot generally
>is not. (Though I DO wish that the one male character on the team weren't
>a little dweeb who is constantly left out of the action while he serves to
>help the other members with their menial chores and connstantly stares down
>their shirts.  People who complain about stupid stereotypes just LOVE to look
>the other way at male Stereotypes which are no more accurate than the female 
>ones.)

Nothing wrong with the A-Team.  In fact, there is more creativity in that
show than ANY episode of BGC.  It's just that BGC is soooo lame that it's
hard to find something of equal crappiness.

>It's not sexist if it's uniformly exploitive.

Okay, then its not sexist.   It is uniformily stupid and if it weren't
made into the ever holy artform known as ANIME, nobody would care.

The whole point  of what I, Emru and the author of Anime and He May not
are trying to say is HAVE SOME TASTE!!!! I mean don't accept everything at
face value.  When you do that, you are a fan-boy.  Plain and simple. An
fan-boys don't do anything productive except nit pick.   Anime can be
good, but the fandom has to learn how to grow up and become a untied
community, not a bunch of diaper wettting cry babies.

Like US renditions.  Everyone bellyaches and moans about them (an Books
Nippon their parent company) but no one tries to put together a united
fandom that can make these guys know what they want?  If you want to know
why the Japanese (in and outside of the U.S.) laugh openly at the Anime fandom
it is because 90 percent of the fandom is just plain pathetic.  I mean at
least Trekkies (or Trekkers, take your pick KNOW WHAT THEY WANT AND HAVE A
COMMUNITY.

Jack
jis@panix.com