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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:21:39 GMT
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Gregory R Block (bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu) wrote:
:
: >The Mac has had a useful clipboard since day one.
:
: Where does this come from?
:

Apparently, someone asked about what the early Mac had for inter-process
communication.

:
: First, Rexx is obviously much more than a
: clipboard.
:

"Yes Greg, I have heard of Rexx.  From my point of view it appears to be a
 rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat every non-Amiga
 advocate in this group with."

:-):-):-):-):-):-):-)

:
: This was almost as cool as Peter da Silva telling you that in order to
: make any use of extended memory on a DOS machine you had to 1) install
: another OS, 2) use it as swap space, or 3) as a ramdisk, and you
: telling him that Windows and OS/2 used extended memory as real memory
: (which, if you hadn't figured out, falls under #1...)
:

Whoa!  I misread Peter's conjunction as "and" instead of "or", so to me
it sounded like he meant that even under OS/2, PC's could only use large
memory as a RAM-Disk or swap space.  I apologize for my sloppy reading.
Sorry, Peter!

: Greg
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| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
| Drummers do it... |     Burlington, MA USA     | in my book of memories.   |
|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
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From: rick@qucdnee.ee.queensu.ca
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga
Organization: Queen's University EE Department
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:37:49 GMT

In article <BzIB18.KtG@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:

> 
> If this was possible, DEC would be doing it with vax/vms software.
> They aren't.  They are making peope recompile it. 
> 
  not everything. alpha/vms has a utility called VEST which will convert 
a vax/vms .EXE into an alpha/vms .EXE. there is apparently a decrease 
in performance in doing this instead of compiling, but this is supposed 
to be sufficient for most user code.

> In time, the alpha will be out of date!  Please don't spew the DEC
> marketing crap that maintains it is "viable for the next 20 years."
> Bullshit.  Newer, better, more advanced CPUs will come along.
      the first sentence is certainly true. 20 years? possibly - the 
VAX architecture is well over 10 years old and has scaled by about two 
orders of magnitude in performance. i would not be surprised if the 
alpha - designed to be scalable - does at least as well, i wouldn't be 
all that surprised. in comp.arch about two years ago, someone at mips 
commented that dec had a lot of money and some of the best vlsi 
engineers on the planet; one should never rule them out.

rp
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 than the question of whether a submarine can swim" 
                    -- Edsgar W. Dijkstra
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 29 Dec 92 08:00:30 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Dec28.202743.17526@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> Gregory R Block (bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu) wrote:
> 
> I always found it rather well-designed and powerful.  It has complete
> device independence for graphics, sound, and printing devices.  How many
> kludges and hacks are this flexible?
> 
	One thing I don't like about Windows is that if you kill off
	a parent window to clean up the screen, its chidren go too.
	Is there a way around this?  I like Amigas better in this
	respect.  If I can state an *opinion*I find Windows to be
	fairly complete feature wise, but not nearly as easy to use as
	Workbench.  And in terms of reliability,  Windows seems to crash
	about the same rate as Workbench, so thats a wash.
> :
> : I'm not going to get into this any further, because I've said more
> : than enough on the subject.  Suffice to say that one would call Unix
> : and Plan 9 worthwhile because they are.
> :
> 
> As is Windows.

	From my limited perspective I find that most people *whom I 
	know* who have used Amiga's or Macs are not too impressed with 
	Windows.  But, MS-DOS users either love it or hate it.  Now,
	is my opinion any less valid because I don't write for a
	PC magazine or work for IBM?

> 
> :
> : Agreed.  Windows NT could be one of the OSes of the decade.
> : Unfortunately, it's going to miss that mark by twice as much as OS/2
> : did.
> :
> 
> How can you say that without ever seeing the released product?

	Well the press has already told us that we will like it and use
	it and that it's going to blow U*nx out of the water all without
	it being released yet.  Kinda reminds me of the presidential
	election.

> 
> : Greg
> --
> +-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+
> | JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
> | Drummers do it... |     Burlington, MA USA     | in my book of memories.   |
> |    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
> +-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization.  My opinions only **

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Will PC Makers Survive Mutimedia?? 
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Reply-To: nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 11:25:44 GMT

From Jan. issue of Computer Shopper:


               WILL PC MAKERS SURVIVE MULTIMEDIA??   

Conventional wisdom says a "killer application" is what's needed to drive
multimedia into the marketplace, doing for computers of the '90s what
Lotus 1-2-3 did for the PCs in the '80s.

However, Paul Saffo, a research fellow at the Institute For The Future,
quipped that several killer apps for multimedia have appeared already,
"and so far, all they've managed to do is criticlly wound the manufac-
turers."  

Not only is multimedia still several years away from business or con-
sumer acceptance, contends Saffo, but many of the PC makers pioneering
multimedia today will be gone by the time the market finally does gel.

Ironically, many analysts consider multimedia a huge market opportunity,
the biggest of any electronic technology. [Did you hear that Marc?]
Dataquest, for instance, prjects a 51% annual growth rate for multimedia
with worldwide revenues topping $9 billion by 1996.

The problem is multimedia's "hybrid nature" which demands that hybrid
companies bring it to market, said Dataquest's Robert Corpuz.  This is
evident by the strategic partnerships now forming amoung companies 
such as Apple, IBM, and Sony, he said.

As multimedia becomes the melting pot for communications, computers,
and consumer electronics, PC vendors as we know them today will either
die-off or evolve into "information conduit" companies, Saffo predicted.
[...like cable companies?] 

In the meantime, however, computer firms bundling multimedia systems
are expected to enjoy modest success in the commercial and consumer
markets--provided the don't invest too heavily in any single platform.

Standards are far from settled, warn analysts, and the market will stay
dangerously volatile over the next seveal years.  For now buyers, and
sellers alike need to treat multimedia as "disposable technology" says
Corpuz.

                 --Anthony Strattner
[end article]


Just because the PC world is a chaotic mess doesn't mean multimedia 
won't take off!  I read in the Denver Post yesterday morning that CD-ROM
was the big X-mas item this year.  Too bad they were nearly all for 
sucky PCs.



                                  NCW
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM and MAC users, please respond.
Date: 3 Jan 1993 06:01:34 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: comp
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'>How did you MAC and IBM users find this group and why did you decide to
'>jump in and offer your opinions?  Were you invited?  Did some Amiga user
'>wind up in a MAC|IBM group and say something deragatory and you felt you
'>had to retaliate?  Did you seek it out?  :)

	Wasn't c.s.a.advocacy the first advocacy type of group created?  I
   think everybody just sort of migrated here early on and stayed, even though
   other advocacy type groups were created.  

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu

'>--Jason Balicki
'>kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:08:34 GMT
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Frank R. Dana Jr. (danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu) wrote:
: |> 
: |> It's funny how Amigoids love to assume that "Only Amiga Makes It Possible".
: |> I routinely run several command line sessions, a game, and the Windows
: |> (or OS/2) desktop, each in its own screen on a PC with VGA.
:
: [...]
:
: Oh, right. I remember now. Windows does that silly full-screen-mode app switch
: thing that nobody ever uses. It takes FOREVER to switch between those screens!
: I prefer being able to drag ProPage halfway down the screen and still be able
: to see what I was doing while I search for a missing file in a Shell window 
: (which I did yesterday..)

It takes ZERO time to switch from the Windows (or OS/2) GUI screen to 
a full-screen DOS (or OS/2) session, unless you are running Windows on a 286
or below.

:
: =======Amiuser============Frank R. Dana, Jr.============Doc Ami=======     
:
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|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: A1200 v Clones - just the figures please
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:29:13 GMT
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Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us?? (martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU) wrote:
: >
: >What video card has an 18 bit palette?  By palette, I'm assuming you
: >mean the number of possible colour choices, not the number at one
: >time.
: >
: Yea, isn't it normally a 16bit palette??  256K some colors?
:

VGA has an 18-bit palette (ln 256K / ln 2 = 18).  However, some VGA cards now
have at least a couple of 24-bit modes.  The SpeedSTAR 24X, for example, has
640x480 true color, and is the fastest (non-coprocessed) VGA card there is.
The price?  Around $150.
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| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
| Drummers do it... |     Burlington, MA USA     | in my book of memories.   |
|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
+-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 23 Dec 1992 23:53:09 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1992Dec22.202139.26340@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Apparently, someone asked about what the early Mac had for inter-process
>communication.

And you thought that it would be cool to mention that the Mac has a
clipboard?  Saying that a clipboard is IPC is like saying that a torch
is a cool way to light your house.

>"Yes Greg, I have heard of Rexx.  From my point of view it appears to be a
> rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat every non-Amiga
> advocate in this group with."

>:-):-):-):-):-):-):-)

:D  Okay.  Now, here's where I'd disagree.  The Mac now has some form
of IPC, even if it's totally inaccessible.  OS/2 did it the right way,
naturally.  :)
>
>Whoa!  I misread Peter's conjunction as "and" instead of "or", so to me
>it sounded like he meant that even under OS/2, PC's could only use large
>memory as a RAM-Disk or swap space.  I apologize for my sloppy reading.
>Sorry, Peter!

It was funny.  ;)

Greg
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: vmkiili@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Ville-Matti Kiili)
Subject: Re: A4000 or NOT
Organization: University of Helsinki
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:26:37 GMT

Adam Benjamin (benjamin@zds-oem.zds.com) wrote:

> was full of mercury... anyway,  What did (does?) PET stand for? anything?
> is it Pretty Electronic Thing?  Programable Electronics & Transistors?

Peddle's Ego Trip. :) Too bad I can't remember who Peddle was...

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 06:31:37 GMT

>> [ bandwidth-reducing deletia... ]
>> 
>> #1.Most Amiga games CANNOT multitask, with, say a download (which is
>> what we were discussing.
>

     Corrections, Most Amiga games that I want to play, ie. fighter simulaters,
and war games (not stragity), does not run on my amiga.  If it does, I need
to press my 2 mouse buttons and reboot.  What a hassel, besides many don't
even run no matter what I do.
     As the energizer rabbit seemed to indicate,  Still waiting and waiting and waiting (for the new SCALA MM200 and other AA softwares).

                                                         -TKH '92

Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:32495 comp.sys.amiga.games:17446 comp.sys.amiga.misc:19303 rec.games.chess:12248
From: uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.amiga.misc,rec.games.chess
Subject: UChess 2.10 avail via ftp
Date: 2 Jan 93 10:23:39 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

UChess 2.10, which adds many features, and fixes up timing somewhat,
is available via anonymous ftp at:
valkyries.andrew.cmu.edu (/pub/chess/uploads/Amiga)
or
hubcap.clemson.edu (/pub/amiga/incoming/games)

UChess requires a 68020+, 4M of FAST RAM, and KS 2.04 or later.
It supports AGA screens using a 640X480X256 color board,
or ECS using a 640X400X16 color board, and plays
quite strong chess, stronger than Sargon III, Checkmate, or Chessmaster
2100.

-Roger
--------------------------------------------------------------
bix: ruzun
NET: uzun@crash.cts.com
From: Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Does reading this gr
X-Sender: newtout 0.05 Dec 30 1992
Date: 30 Dec 92  00:36:08

> Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
> From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
> Message-ID: <C022t9.B9G@news.iastate.edu>
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
>
>   The fact also is that many Amiga owners in the U.S. don't give a rip about
> Europe, Bosnia, or Swaziland.  If the Amiga is not strong
> here, support is not
> available here, and hardware and software are not available here.  These are
> enough reasons to dissuade a person from ever getting another Amiga.

And  if people in the states never buy Amigas, there will never be support,
because  there  wont  be  anything to support.  Its the old chicken and egg
problem.

You  are  doing  nothing  but ensuring that support never develops here, by
attempting  to  dissuade  people  from  buying  Amigas.  Luckily in Europe,
people  buy  Amigas  anyway.   Luckily,  I  dont  think  you are having any
meaningfull  effect  here  in  the  states  either  (much less a beneficial
effect).   The  Amiga  just faces much stiffer competition here, and a much
more stuborn and resistant to change market.

> -!-
> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
> -!------------------------------------------------

 -Dances With Coyotes - World's slowest programer-Given that God is infinate-
 -AKA Dances V2.0, Coyote, Critter, Magnet, Major-and  that  the universe is-
 -- Former Net-Lurker - YES, an AMIGA godammit! --also  infinate,  would you-
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--- Maximus 2.01wb
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: thecure@ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew aardvarkious)
Subject: Hidden messages in A4000/A3000!
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 02:23:38 GMT

_sigh_ I hope the release version doesn't have these.

A guy came into my work, and showed me a kickstart image for a 4000..

Some of the messages I found whilst browsing through it..

(Yes - I know this is naughty - no I did not copy it - no I don't
know his name - no i didn't report him)

-----

AMIGA ROM Operating System and Libraries
Copyright 1985-1992 
Commodore-Amiga, Inc. 
All Rights Reserved.
Beta ROM 
exec.library
exec 39.47 (28.8.92)

BETA release for registered developers only!
DO NOT DISTRIBUTE!

A3000 Bonus
bonus 39.5 (28.5.92)

$VER: fs 39.27 (8.9.92)

HMC68343 FLOATING POINT FIRMWARE(C) COPYRIGHT 1981 BY MOTOROLA INC.

wb 39.48 (20.8.92)

What secret messages?
$VER: bonus20 37.14 (5.5.91)
Magic 36.7
Magic 36.7 (16.3.90)

---

A nervous boy, in spite of which
I never thought I could tremble as much as this

- Behavior, "Nervously"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 05:33:14 GMT

In article <72316@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>>You can act like an idiot, making fun of people's names all you want, but in
>
>Some of us became pretty thick skinned about our names right about 6th grade.

And so right about 7th grade people saw how silly it was to waste time
making fun of people's names.  And stopped.  Most of them.

>TomK@cup.portal.com
>Tom Krotchko
--
Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
"Yes Dan, I have heard of Ultima Underworld.  From my point of view it
 appears to be a rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat
 everbody in this group with." -Mark Steyn, comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 12:21:48 GMT

In <1992Dec22.075616.4682@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>Woo woo.  Besides, Jimmy, many PCs have dual floppies *anyway*, so 
>your point is doubly-moot.

Hmm. All PCs in our department have 2 floppies. One 5.25" and one 3.5".
Both drives are hardly used simultaneously has you rarely have mixed
floppy formats together.

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
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Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
                                "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 'Falcon sucks' etc
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:51:17 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1992Dec22.090010.20895@tdb.uu.se>, m92mmy@tdb.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg) writes:
>
>Look what I found in comp.sys.atari.st
>
>In article 21185 Kosmatos Odisseas writes:
>>In article <1h0eelINNeqh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa399 (Len Stys) writes:
>>>
>>>Atari is already BEHIND in technology with the Falcon030.  The only thing
>>>that the Falcon has over ANY other system is the DSP chip.
>
>>I disagree with that statement. I'll tell you in what way: For the price,
>>the Falcon has the following things that other computers do not seem to
>>consistently have: (not mentioning the DSP, to show how wrong you are.)
>
>>   -> Very fast hard disk port (SCSI-II) that uses the concept of DMA
>
>[Stuff omitted]
>
>
>>I'll stop here, that should be enough. For $799 U.S., you just

Still think it's only gonna be 799 eh?...betcha it's about 1300-1500 US$
                                                                        
Jim
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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:12:15 GMT

In <C01GsK.L4C@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>   I doubt it would uplift me.  Even in Europe there is no CD-ROM or good
>productivity software available for the Amiga.

A CD-ROM is 'available' where you can buy generic SCSI CD-ROMs. And here
we can even get a tax preparation program :)

Don't whine, be happy :)

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
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Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
                                "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."