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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:46:43 CST
Reply-To:     Rob Taylor <provrob@MUCCMAIL.MISSOURI.EDU>
From:         Rob Taylor <provrob@MUCCMAIL.MISSOURI.EDU>
Subject:      COOPER Family
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Gene Jeffries,

Is there any chance I'm related to your William COOPER, Gene?  I've pretty new
to ROOTS-L and geneology in general, so bear with me.

According to my great-aunt, my earliest COOPER is William COOPER (b. 1823, d.
1882).  He married Cynthia MEADOWS (b. 1825, d. 1913).  They had at least one
sone, named William Jackson COOPER (b. Mar 7, 1867, d. 1960), who married Sara
Emily STUART (b. July 6, 1871, d. Feb. 25, 1961).  They had at least one son,
named William Fred COOPER (b. Nov 12, 1891, d. Aug 29, 1967), who married
Glenna Glee CLARK (b. June 7, 1898, d. Mar 14, 1988) - these are my great-
grandparents.  My grandfather was William Dale COOPER (b. May 26, 1918), d.
June 12, 1991).  The family tradition goes that the first child in each
generation is named William, with the middle name chosen by his parents.  My
grandparents named their first child William DuNard COOPER (DUNARD was my
grandmother's maiden name).  My mother was their fourth child (first daughter).
I was the first child in the generation, but my mom assumed her brother would
use William, so she didn't.  (Otherwise my name might be William Cooper
TAYLOR.)  I see that your William COOPER had a son named William (although not
the first son), so a connection seems at least possible.

I'm sorry I don't have any "official" sources - as I said I'm just starting.
And I don't really have any locations or marriage dates or additional siblings
(other than my grandparents' siblings).  I don't know where they moved from,
but my grandfather was born in and grew up in Bethany, MO.  I believe my great-
grandparents were farmers (at least he was when he retired).  I got the
impression that they were very poor, but then again, my grandfather was raised
during the depression when everyone was poor.

Hope this helps.  Looking forward to hearing from you, either privately, or on
ROOTS-L.  I have two e-mail addresses: irprob@mizzou1.missouri.edu and
 muccgw.provrob@ssgate.missouri.edu

Rob. Taylor

P.S. Another coincidence: you gave your address as Columbia, SC - I'm in
Columbia, MO!
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: davego@halcyon.com (Dave Oliphant)
Subject: Re: PAF tricks
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 14:29:26 GMT

In article <833.178.uupcb@nitelog.com> bob.stephan@nitelog.com (Bob Stephan) writes:
>
> JL. Newsgroups: soc.roots
> JL. Subject: Re: PAF tricks
> JL. Message-ID: <1992Dec16.162359.10331@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
> JL. From: jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper)
> JL. Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:23:59 GMT
> JL.
> JL. Do you have any fix for the problem of PAF not allowing
> JL. children to be affixed to an "unmarried" female?  I would
> JL. appreciate any tips you can give me.  Thanks.
>
>I'd be interested too, but the only way I have is to add a fictitious
>spouse called "(unmarried)", then add the children.  I haven't tried this
>yet, but you might be able to remove the spouse after you have added the
>children.  I don't know what the effect of that would be.
>
>Bob
>                                                                                        

As posted by several people, including myself, try adding a parent to
the child.  This does not require that both parents be there.  It works
for me.

Dave Oliphant

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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:47:15 -0800
Reply-To:     Frieda Davison <fdavison@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU>
From:         Frieda Davison <fdavison@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Long Grey Trail
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Here is the full citation for the Long Grey Trail request:

Harrison, John Houston
        Settlers by the long grey trail : some pioneers to old Augusta
County, Virginia and their descendants of the family of Harrison and
allied lines.

First published in 1935; reprinted in 1975 by the Genealogical Publishing
Company.  Their address is 1001 N. Calvert St., Baltimore, MD 21202.  Visa
and MasterCard accepted for call in orders: 1-800-727-6687 or FAX 301-
752-8492

Frieda Davison
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Subject: Quotes for a BBS
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:12:20 GMT

I started a BBS and there is a Quote feature.

Either at the end of communication or on request, the BBS program
reads a file with quotes and outputs one.  I would like to change
this file to have only genealogical quotes.  If you could all
send me some quotes, it will be very interesting.  I will assemble
all quotes in a single file and will send them back to the net.

What I have now are just some sentences like 

"I descend from XXXX" where XXXX is an ancestor common to many persons, or
"XXXX have YYYY descendants before 1730" (I have some statistics).

I can write some more factual quotes (90% of Beauregard are from Andre Jarret),
but I would like to show some funny quotes (we descend from monkeys and the
monkeys descend from tree; we are catholic priest at each generation;
the incestuous tree: Joe get a child by his daughter, so Joe is father and
grand-father of Sam, but Sam get a child with his mother too, can he be
his own grand-father?; etc.).

-- 
  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Ge'ne'alogiste des familles : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Un Que'bec renouvele' dans une Ame'rique renove'e
\_.-===  Ope'rateur de "Racines du Que'bec" (514) 922-9636 BBS/Genealogie
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: S&H Green Stamps
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:16:53 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <ROOTS-L%92121708175441@VM1.NODAK.EDU> Dick Harold <HARROLD@INDYCMS.BITNET> writes:
>On Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:08:50 GMT Tom Lincoln said:
>>
>It is strange how quickly times change.  I remember when S&H Green Stamp and
>TV (Top Value) stamps were big business.  It seemed everybody saved them.
>
>Today, I don't hear of savings stamps being used.  Are there any such
>businesses still going?  How about Top Value stamps - a Kroger company I
>think?

Like, perhaps, IBM and GM {:-), they were a victim of obsolescence. Credit
cards make it easy to accumulate similar credits electronically, as with
frequent flier miles.... so they have gone by the board.

The genealogical importance of such phenomena lies with the evolution of
businesses and their impact on personal jobs and the pressure to move
elsewhere.

In addition, there is the question originally posed, which is: where can
one find corporate records?

Often one needs to know the "genealogy" of the company to track them down.

 p q
 \|/
 /|\   TOM LINCOLN  lincoln@rand.org
 \|/  "Life is short, art is long, opportunity fugitive,
 /|\   experimenting dangerous, reasoning difficult."
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: HOCHBERG family PLESS SILESIA
Keywords: von Hochberg family, Kitzold de Hoberg (1312), Pszczyna [Pless], Walbrzych [Waldenburg], Ksiaz [Furstenstein], Poland, Silesia, M.T.O (Daisy) Cornwallis-West (author 3 books)
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:40:06 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <45038@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> kronberg@garnet.berkeley.edu (Frank Kronberg) writes:
>
>I'm interested in English language sources that mention any 
>of the above people and/or places.  Also, any information on
>present members of the Hochberg family.

Melvyl says; search a number of different ways:



Search request: F SU HOCHBERG FAMILY
Search result:  0 records at all libraries

CAT-> f su hochberg

Search request: F SU HOCHBERG
Search result:  2 records at all libraries

CAT-> d

1.
Author: Bauer, Eddy.
Title:  Negociations et campagnes de Rodolphe de Hochberg, comte de
Neuchatel et marquis de Rothelin, gouverneur de Luxembourg,
1427(?)-1487, par Ed. Bauer. Neuchatel, Secretariat de
l'Universite, 1928.
Description:    xvi, 183 p. incl. geneal. tables. front.,pl., fold. facsim.
23cm.

Series: Neuchatel. Universite Recueil de travaux publie par la Faculte
des lettres. fasc.11.

Notes:  "Bibliographie et sources": p.[ix]-xvi.

Subjects:       Rudolf von Hochberg, gaf von Neuenburg, 1427?-1487.
Burgundy (France) -- History.

Other entries: Recueil de travaux ; fasc. 11.

Call numbers:   UCLA    URL     DC 611 B78B3


Search request: F personal author HOCHBERG
Search result:  73 records at all libraries

22. Hochberg, Friedrich Maximilian. Graf von, 1868-1921.
An eastern voyage. A journal of the travels of Count Fritz Hochberg
through the British empire in the East and Japan.       London, J. M. Dent;
New
York, E. P. Dutton, 1910.
SRLF    DS508 .H62 Type EXP SRLF for loan details.
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: brendaa@MCES.MsState.Edu (Brenda Arnsdorff)
Subject: Re: S&H Green Stamps
Organization: Mississippi Cooperative Extension Service
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:03:39 GMT


>My best information is that S&H is out of business. It had been a
>susidiary of PHL Corp., previously on the NY Stock Exchange. About
>2 years ago PHL Corp. was bought by Leucadia National (NYSE). It is at

I still collect S&H Stamps.  They give them at at least one grocery store 
and one gas station in my area.  I'd say they are still in business.

Brenda Arnsdorff
Starkville, MS

Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: rbv@cypress.com
Subject: Interlibrary loan of microfilms, etc
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:22:13 GMT

From: renfro@geewhiz.ssc.gov (James Renfro) asks:

	I live in Texas and want to examine Georgia county records microfilms
	of Tax, Deed, Probate and Civil courts.

	1.  If those records exist (not destroyed by Gen'l Sherman's men,
	etc.), they were probably microfilmed by the LDS people; so is it
	possible for them to be borrowed via interlibrary loan to libraries
	outside Georgia?  If so, how would my librarian go about it (if it is
	different from the ordinary) ?

If it's been filmed by the LDS, then you can go to your local LDS
Family History Center and order the film for $3.00.  Typically they
arrive in 2-3 weeks and will be kept for 3 weeks, but you can also
have them keep it longer for a fee.  They should also have a list
there of everything that's been filmed by them.

Roger Vanderveen
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From:         Karen.Jania@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU
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sign off Roots-L
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:09:38 -0500
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From:         FAC_DBOYDRUS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Comments on GEN-BOOK

In the last issue of the Genealogical Helper I saw an ad for GEN-BOOK:
GENerate a GENealogy BOOK directly from your PAF data files into a WordPerfect
file.  Has anyone used this with success?  Its cost is $59.95 and is available
from Clement Custom Programming.  I've never heard of it before.

Dorothy Boyd-Rush
Harrisonburg, VA
From: jmjones@sdf.lonestar.org (Jon Mahler)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: Apology to Terry
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:47:58 GMT
Organization: sdf full-shell Public Access Unix - Dallas, TX - 214/436-3281


It has been brought to my attention that I was not correct in my judgement of
Terry. I now know that when I implied that he had not been in combat, I was 
wrong. Terry served with the Marines in Beirut, and was a part of the unit that
was bombed while in their barracks. I was told that he had a promising career
and made E-6 at 24. I wish to apologize to terry. I still firmly believe my
opinions about the media and the somailia landings. I am now aware that it may
be worth it to find a little out about someone before dismissing them as having nothing to say. Thanks to Mr. Carr at Transar who set me straight.












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From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Subject: NamVet Holiday Hiatus
Followup-To: soc.veterans
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:00:01 GMT

For you die-hard types who get the NamVet Newsletter, I will
post the next volume on the weekend of Jan. 9, '93 so that
vactioning types won't miss any issues.  This will also
give me a chance to upgrade my home system.

Enjoy your holidays and keep the bail money handy.

Larry J

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Newsgroups: soc.veterans
From: oshea@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (d.o'shea)
Subject: Phony Hope
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:08:58 GMT
Keywords: none


I wounder what Infantry School is teaching these days.  Perhaps some
of the professionals out there can say.

I have seen a lot of combat film footage from WWII, Korea, and Nam. 
Its clear that when a group of people are in a fire fight or potentially
dangerous situation, they usually "spread out".  ROTC told us to
separate by at least ten yards.  The idea being that a group of
"bunched up nervous" people make attractive targets.  This is quite
evident when viewing old history film footage.

What I have noticed in Desert Storm and now Somalia is that Soldiers
and Marines are crowding together.  This past week I saw a squad of
Marines (at least eight) standing together while one of them 
disarmed someone.  Of course, its easier to film people when they
are close together then spread out.  I have seen many similar scenes
on the news.  Either these people are not being trained properly or what
we "civilians" are getting shown is a lot of re-enactments.  

If these things continue, a lot of people are going to start getting hit.

I have also heard that "we" control the roads and country side during
the day, but the "technicals" control things at night!  

Explanations or comments please? 

PS-30 more days of a G. Bush Administration, what will he do next?
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: Terry needs to think before posting
From: David_Martin@kcbbs.gen.nz (David Martin)
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:55:56 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

>Terry,
>Well all I can really say is that you REALLY need to think before you 
>post.  I
>have not yet served in the military, but it is my future plans. Lemme 
>tell you
>somthin, you don't deserve to fluff the toilet paper for some of the 
>people who
>with a decent comment or answer for people that served to protect your 
>ass, I
>suggest you not post

Like you I hope to serve with the military one day, hopefully the Air 
Force and I *partially* agree with what you and other readers have said.
I didn't like what Terry said either but I feel that he should at least 
be free to say what he want's no matter how pathetic it may seem.
There are many people around (especially where I live, sadly) who would 
gladly see the Military abolished all together due to the fact that 
they simply do not understand the way inwhich the military works.
You have to acknowledge that there are people like that, and people 
like Terry.
Nice of you to post your ideas anyway.

I'd like to say Gidday to all those readers and Veterans out there as 
this is my first post on soc.veterans.
Cul8r...

David Martin
David_Martin@kcbbs.gen.nz
Auckland, New Zealand

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:00:38 -0500 
From: David_Carr@transarc.com
Subject: Re: Terry needs to think before posting
	<10292351.14156.16614@kcbbs.gen.nz>

David_Martin@kcbbs.gen.nz (David Martin) writes:
  jmjones@sdf.lonestar.org (Jon Mahler) writes:
> >Terry,
> >Well all I can really say is that you REALLY need to think before you 
> >post.  I
> >have not yet served in the military, but it is my future plans. Lemme 
> >tell you
> >somthin, you don't deserve to fluff the toilet paper for some of the 
> >people who
> >with a decent comment or answer for people that served to protect your 
> >ass, I
> >suggest you not post
> 
> Like you I hope to serve with the military one day, hopefully the Air 
> Force and I *partially* agree with what you and other readers have said.
> I didn't like what Terry said either but I feel that he should at least 
> be free to say what he want's no matter how pathetic it may seem.
> There are many people around (especially where I live, sadly) who would 
> gladly see the Military abolished all together due to the fact that 
> they simply do not understand the way inwhich the military works.
> You have to acknowledge that there are people like that, and people 
> like Terry.
> Nice of you to post your ideas anyway.
> 
> I'd like to say Gidday to all those readers and Veterans out there as 
> this is my first post on soc.veterans.
> Cul8r...
> 
> David Martin
> David_Martin@kcbbs.gen.nz
> Auckland, New Zealand



Jon and David,

Ask Terry about Beruit.

Ask Terry about the 200+ Marines in his unit that were wasted there.  (It
was only by chance that he wasn't in the barracks at the time.)

Ask him who he thinks could have prevented those deaths.

Ask him what he thinks was gained by those deaths.

Ask Terry how he made Gunnery Sgt. (E-7) when he was only 24(+-1, I forget
exactly) if he was such a bad Marine.

Ask him why he finally decided to get out when he clearly had a good career
going.



   After you have heard some of his answers perhaps you will start to
understand some of his bitterness towards and mistrust of our nation's
military and political leadership.

   It is the nature of this medium (electronic bulletin boards) that you
tend to get only sound bites.  The opportunity for dialog and understanding
of others' positions is difficult but can be worth the effort.  Before
writing someone off as having nothing worthwhile to say, try to find out
more about them.

Dave Carr - former Marine (E-6) and Vietnam veteran

davecarr@transarc.com
From: thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes)
Subject: Re: ROK, 1975
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:20:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.121951.8206@eskimo.com> jammer@eskimo.com (Lyle Harwood) writes:
>
>Is there e anyone out there who served in ROK 75-76?
>
>I served in 1/9th at what was then called Camp Liberty Bell on the DMZ
>in 1975.
>I'm interested in speaking with anyone who was there then.

Yobosayo!

I was assigned to the 604th DASS, Camp Red Cloud, November 1957-November 1976.
Was the Ops Officer of the I Corps DASC, and the Controller on Duty during
Operation Paul Bunyan.  Still have a "Keep Up the Fire" belt buckle given
to me by one of your Sarges at the all-ranks club on the north side of the
Han.

Pretty exciting days, for a peacetime operation, eh?

TH
From: jmjones@sdf.lonestar.org (Jon Mahler)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: d.o'shea missed the apology
Date: 19 Dec 92 05:18:04 GMT
Organization: sdf full-shell Public Access Unix - Dallas, TX - 214/436-3281

D. O'Shea :
you obvioulsy missed my second post to Terry. In my 1st post I never said that
I should decide who and who shouldn't post. I just said that I Thought that he
should considder some things before posting. In my *2nd* post I said that I 
was wrong and apologized. 










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From: oshea@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (d.o'shea)
Subject: Re: Terry needs to think before posting
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:34:19 GMT
Summary: Buzz off

In article <Bz6vF7.DMB@sdf.lonestar.org>, jmjones@sdf.lonestar.org (Jon Mahler) writes:
> Terry,
> Well all I can really say is that you REALLY need to think before you post. I
> have not yet served in the military, but it is my future plans. Lemme tell you
> somthin, you don't deserve to fluff the toilet paper for some of the people here. They were the ones that served in combat NOT you. So until you can come up
> with a decent comment or answer for people that served to protect your ass, I
> suggest you not post

Many of us served in the military so that people like you and Terry
could have the freedom to speak and write what they think.  I don't
think you have the right to decide who should or shouldn't post
to this board.

DMO 
USAF
1966-70

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From: jammer@eskimo.com (Lyle Harwood)
Subject: ROK, 1975
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 12:19:51 GMT


Is there e anyone out there who served in ROK 75-76?

I served in 1/9th at what was then called Camp Liberty Bell on the DMZ
in 1975.
I'm interested in speaking with anyone who was there then.

I havn't met anyone who was there since I came back...
From: oshea@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (d.o'shea)
Subject: Re: SEALs & Recon in Beach Surveys
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:35:24 GMT
Summary: The French had a word for it.


Media Event.  

The whole thing was a DoD public relations operation.  

Was Ft. Drum, N.Y. scheduled to be closed?

Flames on, ignition, full power!

Newsgroups: soc.veterans
From: jmjones@sdf.lonestar.org (Jon Mahler)
Subject: Terry needs to think before posting
Organization: sdf full-shell Public Access Unix - Dallas, TX - 214/436-3281
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 08:25:55 GMT

Terry,
Well all I can really say is that you REALLY need to think before you post. I
have not yet served in the military, but it is my future plans. Lemme tell you
somthin, you don't deserve to fluff the toilet paper for some of the people here. They were the ones that served in combat NOT you. So until you can come up
with a decent comment or answer for people that served to protect your ass, I
suggest you not post








 
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