HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: Muslim Intolerance
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:19:03 GMT

In article <AeXjgmy00aw=QOe1s1@andrew.cmu.edu> "Arun K. Gupta" <ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>
>Mr. Dinkar Bhat, Mr. Dinesh Agrawal: you are well aware there
>is racism in this country. Does that make you spit at every
>white American that you meet ? On the contrary, you have come
>quite willingly to this country and you say -- racism is from
>the bad people, but not all people are bad.

You havent quite tuned to his feelings.  His `disgust'
arose due to `his knowing of the fact that some of HIS
people' were xxxxxxx.   Now, he also clearly feels that
whites do not threaten indians much, NJ being an anamoly.
So, tell him clearly (in usual style citing statisitics
and flashing books), that he should view mistreatment of
hindus and blacks as the same.  Lets see if he holds such
a global view like you do.

>
>It seems, however, that the words Muslim and Islam short circuits
>something in your head. Yes, we all should be angry at what goes
>on in the Middle East with the Indian workers. (Ask Pakistanis --
>they are Muslim, but they are not treated very much better.) But
>transferring your anger from a specific set of people to the whole
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>population is stupid. I don't expect logical consistency, but by
^^^^^^^
 -- stress on this.  everything else lessens the
impact of your arguments on people who are emotionally charged.


>the same reasoning you should be joining some black-power movement.
>You should also recognize the total illegitimacy of caste Hindus
>because all of them, of course, are responsible for oppressing the
>lower castes for the last two thousand years or more, and so on.
>
>-arun gupta
>ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu




Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: saxena@cs.albany.edu (Tushar Saxena)
Subject: Re: What is LOVE?
Originator: saxena@tarski.albany.edu
Organization: The University at Albany, Comp. Sci. Dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:16:09 GMT

>>WHAT IS LOVE?

>Sex.

I Second it.

>Rakesh Patel   

Tushar Saxena
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sdarbha@ho04.eng.ua.edu (Subrahmanyam Darbha)
Subject: Re: Stop posting :Re: Telugu Culture Net Digest 41
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 20:10:03 GMT

Telugu net is not only meant for telugu people
It is a window to the all other  Indians showing the telugu culture and many    other things about telugus.
I don't see anything wrong in Telugu digest being posted on the net because
I see many worthless articles being posted on the net.
It is for those who are interested in all the above matters but who do not
have the patience to subscribe and receive telugu digest in the form of e-mail
Because till now the newsgroup soc.culture.indian.telugu is not yet formed
Once the newsgroup is formed I don't forsee any need for posting that net in the
SCI
Hope this enlightened.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: nv@seas.smu.edu (Nandagopal Venugopal)
Subject: F1 VISA Renewal
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:12:45 GMT



I have yet another F1 VISA question! I am planning on making a trip home this
winter, after almost four and a half years and was considering renewing my
F1 VISA in Madras.  I had initially come here for my Masters and upon graduation
decided to continue on to a Ph.D at the same university. Has there been a
case where a continuing student has been denied a VISA?  When I go for my
VISA will I need to go through an interview and if so how much of a formality
is it?  One of my friends here said that I may have to face an interview
since I have changed my program.  The date on my I-20 for the completion
of my Ph.D is 1996.  I would appreciate any further information on the
following:
   (a)  F1 VISA renewal situation for continuing students.

   (b)  Conditions under which the Consulate determines a need for an
	interview.

   (c)  What documents do I need to make my case for renewal more forceful?
   
You can e-mail directly to me at nv@seas.smu.edu and I would be happy to
post a summary of the replies on the net.

Thanks in advance.

Gopal.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: nadeem@igpho (Nadeem Malik)
Subject: Re: Salman Rushdie: A few questions??
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:32:03 GMT

mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh) writes:
: I don't know how such a simple problem got out of hand.
: Salman Rushdie is a Muslim. He writes something which ceases to make
: him a Muslim. The punishment of apostasy according to Quaran is death.
: Freedom of expression of Rushdie is threatened.
: 
: Questions:
: 1. At what point of time Rushdie became a Muslim? If he did not have
: any choice over this matter, it's not fair to hold him responsible
: for violating Quaran

Answer: Rushdis has never been a Muslim in fact. He has been an atheist
almost from birth, and adheres strongly to the socialist religion. (His 
brief 'courtship' with Islam after the infamous book was published, was
merely to try to placate his would-be assassins. It hasn't worked and he
has since recinded his 'conversion'.)
: 
: 2. Why does Rushdie claim to be a Muslim after he clearly violated Quaran?

Answer: same as answer to number 1, above.
: 
: 3. If the punishment of apostasy of death: how can it be reconciled with
: the freedom of expression in an Islamic society? After all, at any point
: of time a person may think that Quaran is not true.
: If the punishment is not death: why didn't Muslims unanimously condemn
: the punishment?

Answer: Apostacy is actually not a crime of any kind in Islam. Neither the
Quran nor the sunnat of the Holy Prophet give credance to such a law. It is
however condemned as a major sin and the apostate will most likely go to
hell -- i.e. it is punishable by God. (I can give Quranic and Sunnat proofs
to what I have just stated, on request for those interested.)

The second part of the question: (1) those Muslims and /or Muslim groups
who are aware of the correct Islamic position on apostacy have indeed
condemned the death-threat as Unislamic.

The lack of unanimity only shows the the failure of Muslims in general to
understand the meaning of the Quran. Islam itself remains untouched and
pure.
: 
: 4.What prevented Khomeini and Rushdie from settling these simple questions
: over a cup of coffee?

Answer; Ask Messers Rusdie and Khomeini.

: Love,
: Arindam
: 
Love for all,

Nadeem Ahmad Malik.

p.s. My correct e-mail is: nadeem@p.igp.ethz.ch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: anand@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (SHALINI ANAND)
Subject: KRSNA JANAMASTMI GREETINGS
Reply-To: anand@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:19:26 GMT


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From: prasanth@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: A Reply to Kamran's Post on Scientific Religion
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:48:36 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


In article <TOWFIQ.92Aug17152454@nighthawk.clearpoint.com>, towfiq@nighthawk.clearpoint.com (Mark Towfiq) writes:
> 
>   Ravi, you raise an interesting point.  When considering the four
> criteria which Kamran has put forth as the standard to judge whether
> something is true, namely:
> 
> 1) senses,
> 2) reason,
> 3) scripture,
> 4) inspiration
> 
>   I think the fundamental point to consider here is that all of these
> methods, when used alone, are faulty.  For with the sense, we can
> "see" a mirage; we can reason things that are not true, and only
> discover it later; since scripture depends on our faculty of reason,
> we can mis-interpret it; and our gut feeling can often be predicated
> on selfish motives, not a search for the truth.
> 
>   I think once this basic fact is accepted about these methods of
> finding truth, we realize that any of them can be in conflict,
> including the example you called into question, namely, when one's
> reason contradicts an explicit text.
>

In my previous post, I may have been a little abstruse. Let me put
my disagreement with Kamran's views differently. Suppose X is a 
statement about the Ultimate Truth that is in agreement with all the
criteria (1-4). Is X true ? Kamran says YES. I claim NO. IMO, I can 
say that X is true only if

a.   I know the Ultimate Truth

        	    or

b.   I know that agreement of X with atleast one of the criteria
     implies that X is true.

I believe that Kamran and Arindam assume that scriptures contain
the truth, and hence all statements that are in agreement with the
criteria can be ascertained as true. IMO, their assumption cannot be
justified rationally.

>
>   This is where the notion of CHANGE comes in.  For, when you find a
> contradiction between any of these four methods, it is then that the
> real work begins, as you must go back and re-question the steps which
> led to the contradictory conclusions.  In your example, you must both
> re-examine your reasoning as well as re-examine the scriptures, and
> then proceed to examine your gut feeling and what you perceive, in the
> hopes of breaking the deadlock.

I believe that to find the truth all sources of knowledge must be used. 
(That may not be sufficient). I accept the possibility that my reasoning
can be wrong and that scriptures are equally fallible. Does your last
few statements entertain the latter possibility ?


> --
> Mark Towfiq, towfiq@Clearpoint.COM			      H:+1 617 488 2818
> 
> O SON OF MAN!  Bestow My wealth upon My poor, that in heaven thou mayest draw
> from stores of unfading splendour and treasures of imperishable glory.  But by
> My life!  To offer up thy soul is a more glorious thing couldst thou but see
> with Mine eye.
> 		-- Baha'u'llah, Arabic Hidden Words, #57

Ravi
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Death of a Poet
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:09:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: menudo.1992Aug13.210949.14927
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston

In article <1992Aug13.195645.9569@menudo.uh.edu>, mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.182932.19096@uceng.UC.EDU>, rbhatnag@uceng.UC.EDU (raj bhatnagar) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug13.165726.15147@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:
>>
>>>>  On January 9, the house of a young Telugu poet in the old city of
>>>>  Hyderabad was raided by a band of communalists. They stabbed him
>>>>  his wife and his child. The woman died immediately, the poet on the
>>>>  way to the hospital. The orphaned boy is in the hospital, dangling
>>>>  between life and death.  Communal frenzy does not know what it claims.
>>
>>>Arun, Can you please find out from any source what is the state of this
>>>boy and if he needs any help. Then probably we can do something usefull
>>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>instead of wasting time on intellectual discourse
>>>Arindam
>>>
>>
>>Hello Arindam,
>>
>>I can tell you about a few boys/girls who have been orpahned by
>>- terrorism in Kashmir,
>>- terrorism in Punjab,
>>- 1984 riots in Delhi,
>>- communal violence in Kerala 
>>- etc.
>>
>>Would you spring up to help them with as much vigour as you are
>>doing to help this supposedly Bahai boy?
>>If not, then my Salaaam to your claims to universalism.
>>my salaaam to your claim that Bahaism is HInduism, Buddhism, Islam,
>>all together. . . .etc.
>>
>>
>>Bye.
>>
>>
>>---raj
>>
>>
>Well everybody has limited time and effort to take the lead, I will join
>any such attempt. But from your attitude it seems that you know of
>specifics about such cases. Why did'nt YOU rise up to HELP.
>Arindam
>
Also BAHAIS as a group
 are not supposed to support anybody who is the victim of a
POLITICAL struggle

I can always and will support an innocent individual victim on an individual
basis.

Now, can we see some action on helpying ANY victim
Arindam
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gauri@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Gauri Pavate)
Subject: Re: Contradictions in the Qu'ran
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:18:41 GMT

raja@magic (Raja Seth) writes:

>ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta) writes:
>: 
>: Nadeem Malik is correct in the statistics that (at least in 1971 or so)
>: there were more Hindu men with two or more wives than Muslim men with
>: two or more wives in India.

>....It matters even though there are 5 times as many Hindus as Muslims 
>in India ??!!!! On any statistics there will be more number of
>Hindus doing any 'X' than muslims in India !!

	Its not a question of absolute numbers.  The proportion
(percentage) of polygynous marriages was found to be roughly
comparable among both Hindus and Muslims.  Infact it was
slightly higher among Hindus.  These figures were based
on the 1961 Census, but compiled and released in 1970.

				Gauri.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rpsingh@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Looking for Prof. CHLiu at UI, Urbana.
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 04:58:13 GMT

I'm eager to contact Prof. C. H Liu at Dept. of Physics, Univ. Of Illinois,
Urbana. Can anyone of you provide me the tel # where he or his secretary
could be contacted.
Can anyone tell me where is the SCOSTEP meeting sheduled to be held ie.
in which city??
Thanks,
Ravi. 

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Dept. of Physics                     Phone : (519)-679-2111 Ext.6556 [off]
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From: rangang@ece.orst.edu (Giri Rangan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Info needed on Univ. Calif, Santa Barbara
Date: 15 Aug 92 20:25:05 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Corvallis
Originator: rangang@flounder.ECE.ORST.EDU

Hi, it will be great if anyone could give me information about
the electrical engg dept at UCSB. I would like to know as to
who is working in the areas of analog vlsi, bicmos design
and analog signal processing. Please mail to my email id
"gnk@aldur.ece.orst.edu". Please give the email ids of the faculty
at the school if you can.

Thanks,
Giri Rangan.
From: partha@paul.rutgers.edu (the_great_dictator)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: What is LOVE?
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:17:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I would quote a *few* lines from a song ( bette midler/nana moskouri
and many others have done it..)...

" some say love it is razor..
  that leaves your heart to bleed.."

"it is a flower afraid to bloom"

"it is a dream afraid to be broken..."

i love this song, but unfortunately cant remember the words, perhaps
some kind soul would post the lyrics..

an aside, reminds me of a bengali song by rabindranath:
'sakhi, bhalobasa kare' koi.. tomra je bolo bhalobas bhalobasa
 seki kebol i jatona moi...'

translation: (a girl is) asking her friends (sakhi s) what is love
that u guys talk about? is it only full of pain...

nice song..i like the one sung by sumitra sen..
From: qiqx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: At least for one day...
Date: 15 Aug 92 14:14:01 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University



				JAI HIND!


	Since today is August 15, India's independence day, I request
all Indians on the net to forget all our differences as Hindus, Muslims,
Sikhs, Christians, and many others to sing our national anthem.  Jai Hind!

Jana gana mana adhi nayaka jaya hai Bharat bhagya vidhata;
Punjab, Sindh, Gujarat, Maratha, Dravid, Utkal Banga;
Vindhya, Himachal, Yamuna, Ganga, ujjwala jaladhi taranga;
Tava shubh name jage, tava shubh ashish mange, gaye tava jay gatha;
Jana gana mangala dayak jai hai Bharat bhagya vidhata;
Jai Hai, Jai Hai, Jai Hai;
Jai Jai Jai Jai Hai.

Dhanya Vaad, Shukriya, or Thnank You.

					Nirav R. Shah
					Cornell University
From: x92nath@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: RE: What is Love ?
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:30:33 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

What is Love ?

Love is one of the basic need of human being. 

Love can be of different kinds which is difficult to be defined but easy to be
felt.  Love for God, Country, parents, Friends, Self, but prehaps the love for 
opposite sex has got the most popularity through the films.

When one feels happy at the happiness of other, this is true love.

Shambhu.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus)
Subject: Re: What is LOVE?
Keywords: n
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:42:45 GMT

1] While this surely is a N.P. complete problem some approximations
   can be attempted.

   The answer I favour these days:

       Love is transcendance of self.

2] Stay Cool.
              

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From: cobra@chopin.udel.edu (Jay Bhartkumar Patel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Deb Chatterjee's opinions
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:08:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Aug17.221416.3400@news2.cis.umn.edu> irshad@moby.micro.umn.edu (Irshad A. Mohammad) writes:
>Deb Chatterjee
>(a good samaritan)
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Gee! I always read it as Deb Chatterjee, the gas-maro-itan.

    Then you should get your eyes checked.

    KING COBRA

>
>Irshad.  :-)    (take it easy, Deb)
From: a726226@daffy.mc.ti.com (savithri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: religious talks
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:11:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: daffy.1992Aug14.151126
Organization: _
Originator: a726226@daffy


Hmm! I wonder why people would leave behind a peaceful,
religious, rational (thinking intact), contented, part of the world
to reside in a heartless ("holy hearts"), irrational,
scientific world full of knife-swinging war mongers?

As for my personal choice, 
1. I have no desire to deal with the 98%.
2. I have no desire to be a part of the world
where things have degenerated so much, that the most
imporatnt issue in the government is to decide whether
a mosque/temple has the right to survive
In MY EGOTISTICAL IRRATIONAL opinion, I would like to
see a playground built there for children (and maintained).
3.  I would not want my kids to go to schools where
learning is no longer important.  Passing exams (even
if it means rampant cheating with the aid of teachers)
is th order of most schools.  Added to that, teachers
punish kids by physical abuse (beating, kneeling etc.)
for ridiculuous things as forgetting to bring a book etc.
4. I wouldn't in my SEXIST opinion raise kids in an
environment that portrays male children as a symbol
of gift and females as a burden to parents.

p.s. For those people who have deduced that I am a
"NAZI FEMINIST"/"ANTI_RELIGIOUS SCIENTIST" etc. etc.'
please continue to add to that list.  In doing so
I am more and more convinced that I made the right
choice.  At least here, you don't total to be 98%

savithri
From: rameshk@langson-lab.NSD.3Com.COM (Ramesh Kurnool)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Going to India
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:56:00 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: 3Com Corporation

Hi Netters,
I was just wondering if anyone out there in the bay area is going to
Madras in the next couple of weeks.  Can that person please call me
at 408-764-5310 or 408-736-2054 ?  I will highly appreciate it.

thanks//Ramesh


my email address is ramesh_kurnool@3com.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sarang@saturn.sdsu.edu (Srinath Sarang)
Subject: Re: INDIANS AND SEX
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:57:53 GMT

rpsingh@uwovax.uwo.ca wrote:
: In article <1992Aug21.141612.703@cis.ohio-state.edu>, subbu@cis.ohio-state.edu (rajesh subbu) writes:
: > 
: > Indians and SEX.
: > 
: > "They have sex in their brains, not where it should be" (pooja bedis words)
: > 
: > Now my words.
: > 
: > I do endorse the words in quotes. I believe Indians in general are 
: >hypocritical about sex, just as the americans are in saying "SHOOT" when they 
: >actually mean "SHIT".
: > 
: > Any comments and flames very welcome
:  
: Where the hell did you derive a notion like that ? Generalising a whole
: class of people just on the words of one woman is outrageous and stupid.
: You give me the reasons for your endorsement and I'll tell you why you
: are wrong.
: Ravi.

Doesn't the statement prove one thing ?
  Indian think about everything or should I rephrase it as
  Indians are intelligent ?

Well i wouldn't contest a statement from a person as brainless as
Pooja Bedi. From what I remember about her she was a spoilt brat (probably is).

Srinath
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I Don't believe what I say, and whatever I say is wrong.....
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From: rbhatnag@uceng.UC.EDU (raj bhatnagar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: religious talks
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:43:23 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati

In article <1992Aug13.190828.5803@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:

>>savithri
>My dear lady: what do you think I am trying to tell you!!!!!!!!!
>The NEW FAITH has come, wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Arindam

What is NEW about the faith that youi are trying to tell the net?

Is it a new "protocol" for establishing a connection between 
an individual and the Supreme Consciousness at some previously
unachievable baud-rate?

---raj