From: anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje)
Subject: Re: What the pro-lifers do not tell you
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:40:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.235750.18757@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@isis.cs.du.edu (Keith A. Cochran) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.182855.3079@cco.caltech.edu> anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr5.090323.20505@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mikeey J. Lin) writes:
>>>>In <1992Apr5.070049.2778@midway.uchicago.edu> rivk@quads.uchicago.edu
>>> (nora gayle rivkis) writes:
>>>
>>>>>In article <1992Apr3.160149.10119@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> 
>>>  mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mikeey J. Lin) writes:
>>>
>>>>>Suppose I make an analogy that Pro-Choice folks are indeed NAZIS because 
>>>>>aborting fetuses is the same as the extermination of the Jews. Would I be
>>>>>right in making such a statement? NO! Of course I would be wrong! However,
>>>>>my reasoning behind this is just the same as yours. Please understand dude.
>>>
>>>>I understand your point, Mikeey, and it's fine as far as it goes, but please
>>>>try to avoid making this kind of argument even in a jesting analogy. There
>>>>are some of us it hurts needlessly, and a lot more who it endangers even
>>>>beyond their current danger level. Try to find some other way.
>>
>>Why does this analogy hurt some needlessly? And why does it endanger some
>>beyond current danger levels? 
>
>Because some people have had major portions of their family tree obliterated
>by the Nazis.  Because some people got the chance to walk on ground that had
>so many bodies bured in graves that the very ground wept blood.  Because some

And that is sad. But a LOT of things that are said "hurt" people. But I
would defend their right to say these things if they felt the analogy
was reasonable. 

>people got to celebrate their sixth birthday getting gang raped by
>stormtroopers.  Would you appreciate it if I kept bringing up the impending
>parole of Charles Manson if he had killed your family?

I was physically and sexually abused as a child. I was RAPED when I was
about 7. I can totally relate to a child being gang raped at the 
age of 6. But as far as I am concerned, those who make analogies
about abusers of children and others don't needlessly hurt me. I can take
care of myself.  I hear gobs and gobs of people talking about letting
abusers out of prison and other such things. I could care less
if you bring up child abuse over and over again here. I'll just give
you my opinion. And you are free in my mind to talk about rape,
molestation, or the violent physical abuse of children here as much as
you wish. *I* make my own decision to read this group and I think you might
want to let the survivors of the camps make their *OWN* decisions.

>As for why it endagers people, what if I came into your house every day, lit
>a match, and yelled "Fire!".  Pretty soon, you'd tune me out.  Until the day
>I decided to advance into the big leagues, and just poured gas around your
>house and threw the match into it.

So you're making the analogy that by comparing abortionist to Nazis
that somehow degrades the term NAZI? Your OBVIOUSLY not looking at it 
from the hard core pro-life perspective. To some pro-lifers, abortionist
are people who methodically (sp?) KILL children. Because they see
the life of the unborn child as being as important as your life or my
life. TO you or ME this may not be the case...but the comparison is 
QUITE valid to many. 

>>If people who are pro-life truly and passionately believe that the 
>>FETUS is a human being fully deserving of life, than the analogy
>>to pro-choices being at least "Nazi-like" may or may not have a grain
>>of truth to it. I could see it as being somewhat correct. Not totally
>>correct but somewhat.

Flame away.