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From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Head Injuries (was Scarey Breathing)
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:28:42 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL


In article <C169Bn.5CF@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, fbennett@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (fern bennett) writes:
> 
> I had an incident like this when my son was maybe 2 or so.  (he's 9
> now).  We were at a shelter house and he climbed up on a bench and
> fell over backwards on the concrete and hit his head.  I picked him
> up and he started to really cry and all of a sudden he went limp.
> then he came around right away and did it again!  It scared the you
> know what out of me.  He looked really pale for awhile and seemed
> wobbly but wanted to get down and run away.  I was shaken up the 
> whole night wondering if I should take him to the emergency room.

Yes, you should have taken him to the emrgency room.  What you describe
are symptoms of a concussion.  Other symptoms include an abnormal cry
and changes in the eyes (pupils not reactive to light, not focusing,
not making eye contact, eyes not appearing to be sync with each other),
and the child just not acting normal.

I say this not to berate you, but to benefit other readers.
Most of the time the emergency room really isn't of help except
for confirming a concussion occurred and advising what to watch for,
and also doing Xrays for skull fracture.  But brain swelling can occur 
with a concussion, and untreated, brain swelling can lead to brain
damage or death.  And brain swelling is best treated in the first
half-hour after the accident.

Most head injuries don't lead to such dire results, but laymen aren't
educated in discerning a severe head injury from a not-so-severe
one.   Seemingly minor accidents can cause severe injuries, and there
may not be external signs of injury.  (Shaken Baby Syndrome is an
example of this).  So for future peace of mind, have the child
evaluated by a doctor whenever s/he displays concussion symptoms
following an accident.

When my older son was 15 mo., he toppled backwards from his high
chair (as his Dad and I jumped up helplessly from our seats 3 feet
away at the table).  We watched his head bounce up upon hitting the 
wood floor.  There was a long pause, and then a funny "keening"
cry, not the usual lusty wail of pain.  And his eyes looked funny,
like he wasn't all there.   So we rushed to the emergency room
(where I ended up making a scene demanding that my son be seen
immediately instead of waiting 45 minutes for "our turn").  He
was Xrayed -- no fracture.   By about half-an-hour after the accident,
Keith was acting normal, but he was diagnosed as having a mild
concussion, based on his symptoms.   We were advised to keep
a close eye on him for a week, for vomiting or unconsciousness
and other symptoms, and then told that serious symptoms could
occur up to two months after the accident.  Keith ended up being
fine, but I don't regret having him checked out, because I could
never forgive myself if something bad had happened and I hadn't
done all that I could.
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hyler@ast.saic.com (Buffy Hyler)
Subject: Re: later milestones
Reply-To: hyler@ast.saic.com
Organization: SAIC
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:08:40 GMT

In article AA14160@tuna.wang.com, AMY.UHRBACH@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Amy Uhrbach") writes:
>I'm more interested in when kids do later things, milestones or not.  When did
>your kids:
>1.  jump
>2.  hop on one foot
>3.  draw recognizably representative pictures.
>4.  ride a tricycle well
>5.  ride a bicycle, no training wheels
>6.  learn to ski, downhill or cross-country


You might consider adding:
 7.  Skipping

BTW, do kids learn to skip on their own or does that fall into a
learned skill?  I believe it is the latter.  When my son was going
through a kindergarten readiness evaluation the evaluator put down that
he did not know how to skip.  She was going through each of them with
me.  I told her that to my knowledge no one had ever shown him how to
skip.  I asked if they taught that skill in the pre-K class.  She said
"no", but the children do skip around the playground on their own.  I
sort of made a disbelieving sound that this could be on the test and
she kind of brushed it off with a comment about it showing
coordination.  I've noticed that my son is a little slow in wanting to
try out some of these physically oriented activities but that once he
makes up his mind he wants to do it he can learn it in a few days/weeks
(depending on the skill).

I have a feeling that all of 1-6 (+ 7) above fall into the catagory of
the child *wanting* to do it before any success will result.  And as
such there will be a very wide disparity of answers.  I know that the
answer to #3 above for my son was 5 years of age since he refused to
pick up a writing instrument until he was that age.  (The reason for
that has to do with a Montessori school that was not right for my son,
but I won't go into it here.)  And I know many children who are drawing
with reasonable skill by 2 years of age.  But my son simply was not
interested until he was 5.  Now if you had asked about Duplo building
skills, he was very good at 2 years of age with those, both putting
them together to create "things" and taking them apart.  (And throwing
them hither and yon all over the rooms :-)  I'm already concerned about
the dispersion factor of his current collection of teeny tiny Legos!)

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Buffy Hyler (hyler@ast.saic.com)
SAIC, Campus Point
San Diego, California
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: pam@netcom.com (Pamela Araki)
Subject: More Sleep Problems/Questions
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:17:02 GMT

Hi everyone.  I really hate to ask another sleep question, but I'm one
exhausted mom from staying up every night for the last few nights.  I
can barely take this anymore.  

Brandon is 8 months old.  I know he knows how to get to sleep by
himself because he does fine during his naps - just goes right
down, or cries for less than 5 minutes and goes to sleep.  But, at
night it is a different story.  I know one mistake I usually make
is that I let him nurse himself to sleep at night, then put him
in bed - but that was ok up til about a few days ago.  Well, once
in awhile we would go through spurts of him waking up, but just
cuddles used to put him back to sleep.  Now it seems that if he
wakes up and screams (I usually just let him whimper if it is only
whimpers, but if it is really crying I get up), cuddles don't do
it anymore.  He not only wants to be held, but he wants to lay
on top of me, with not just one arm around him, but two arms around
him *and* he wakes up every fifteen minutes and if I have moved one
of my arms or tried to lay him down, he starts crying again!

I went out and bought Ferber's book cause I thought it might be
a good idea to Ferberize since everyone keeps telling me I should
and I tried that tonight by putting Brandon down and going in to
him after 5 minutes of crying - well that really made him mad!
And then the crying turned to screaming and coughing and choking
and I just can't take it!  I really can't do that to him.  When
I do go into him, he expects me to pick him up and nothing else
will calm him down - he just gets infuriated when I just stand
there or just give him kisses.  You say, "Who's in control here
anyway?"  uh, huh ... you guessed it!  Sorry - no prize ...

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you to those who actually have the patience to help me with
this!

-pam araki


-- 
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Pamela Araki					pam@netcom.com
Mom to Brandon - born 5/18/92			(408) 395-6905
"He's *not* sleeping; he's RECHARGING!"
From: nichael@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Girls names - "M"
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:28:16 GMT
Reply-To: ncramer@bbn.com
Organization: BBN, Interzone Office
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: SASTLS@mvs.sas.com's message of 22 Jan 93 14:51:00 GMT

SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer) writes:
   Alice Bertelson wrote: 
   >Hi, ... [looking for girls' names beginning with "M"]

   We chose Melissa.  I also like Molly and Marissa.  Isn't Reid's
   daughter Maera?  That's pretty.  Good luck!

Really?  Our daughter's name is Maera (and, yes, it is pretty and,
yes, I do recommend it).  Is there another one?

(We found it in a books of star names --a good source for non-ordinary
but beatiful names.  Pronounced MY-ruh it's a medieval name for the
constellation the Northern Crown; we found out later it turns up
--with the Greek spelling "Maira"-- twice in Homer: as one of the
Nerieds in _Iliad_ and one of the "catalogue of beautiful women" in
_Odyssey_.)

Nichael (Also Daddy to Asah; so, if anyone needs and "A" name...  ;)
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Parenting Teens
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:15:31 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1993Jan21.052012.13067@netwise.com>, kat@netwise.com (Kathleen Nosbisch) writes:
> 
> I would enjoy having other parents of teens to correspond with through
> email.  I have tried, but can't get the mentioned alt.teen-parent group.
> 
> I have been reading this group for about 5 months, and have never posted
> to it, but *do* enjoy reading how all of you parents of younger kiddos
> are handling things nowdays!

Given that misc.kids has such a high volume, perhaps you do not want to
just post your teen-parenting concerns on misc.kids, because you may not 
want to have to wade through everything. However, it is my impression 
that posting about teens in misc.kids is entirely appropriate, and I'm 
happy myself to learn about how to deal with problems that may be mine 
in just a few years.

Why don't you post your teen concerns on misc kids with a TEENS tag in 
the subject line? For example, "Subject: TEENS: problem with...."
Then, if you're in a hurry, you can just scan through for articles with 
the TEENS tag. 

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: nipple confusion and feeding newborn glucose-water???
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 13:51:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.193105.19919@afit.af.mil> mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault) writes:
>>
>A nurse who worked in the maternity ward told me it was standard
>procedure to give newborns a bottle of water "to insure all passages are
>all open and working".  She also said it was not a good reason, since
>breastfeeding would accomplish the same goal, and colostrum isn't any
>worse than water.  (She was on a committee to increase the rate of
>breastfeeding among the moms delivering at the hospital.)
>
>She also told me that even though I had requested no bottles, Marie
>probably (almost definitely) got one.  This made sense in hindsight to
>me since the nurse who brought Marie to me initially told me she had a
>good suck (how would she know if she hadn't given her a bottle?), yet
>Marie had trouble nursing at first.

  Hee hee, unless she tried breastfeeding Marie herself!  
>
>I may be paranoid, but I would suggest keeping someone you trust with
>the baby at all times.  

  But how can you?  You are not allowed in the nursery.  The nurseries
  are locked up.  You can only look through the window and see them
  washing your baby.  We did have rooming-in, but they still take
  the baby away for washing, paper-clothes changing, and probably
  glucose water.  During visiting hours, all babies are wisked back
  to the nursery for security reasons.  And during one of those visiting
  hours I saw a nurse give my son a pacifier but couldn't do a thing
  about it.  He loved it, and still loves his pacifier today!
>
>Michele
>
>


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mrp@world.std.com (Marjorie R Peskin)
Subject: Re: Headsize boy vs. girl (Was: Head size (was: ultrasound exper
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:21:21 GMT

In article <16B62B52E.BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU> BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann) writes:
>In article <9301261611.AA10438@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com>
>c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
> 
>>
>>jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd) wrote:
>>
>>> When I started looking around me, I could see that there's definitely a
>>> range of head sizes in children (and indeed in adults too), and that my
>[stuff deleted]
>>True. we were wondering as our little one has a large head, though
>>some of that is visual (born with 4-inch long hair :-)) and some
>>reality.
>>
>>As far as percentiles go head size is in par with weight and height,
>>all usually at 75-80% (she's getting big!). We asked the pediatrician
>>for this and she said that couples with large heads tend to have
>>children with large heads... Since both of her parents are large
>>headed creatures (!) she said it's normal.
>>
>>Now that she's almost 5 months old her head is much more proportional
>>to the rest of the body, i.e around the 50th-60th percentile. But
>>looking back in the 12-15 babies in the nursery (make that nurseries)
>>when she was born (we're talking assembly line deliveries) you're
>>right, babies (and baby heads) come in all kinds of shapes and sizes.
>>
>>(including a PERFECT Saturday Night Live Conehead baby shown in a
>>prenatal class video! We actually saw it born, lots of fun)
>>
>After I had my daughter (easy birth) I ran into a couple of people from
>my Lamaze class during the following weeks.  It wasn't a statistically
>sigificant sample size, but it seemed as if every mother with a girl had
>had a child with a relatively small head, whereas all the boy's heads were
>rather large - some of them rather deformed, too.  Any opinions out there?
>Are boys' heads usually bigger than girls'?  Or was that just a strange
>coincidence?

I'll just jump in here with my own control group, my BG fraternal twins.
My son has a big head, and my daughter has a total pinhead.  I don't know if
its gender related, but it sure is funny to look at.

Marjorie

> 
>Stephanie
> 
>>Spiros
>>--
>>Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
>>Software Technology, Delco Electronics       (317) 451-0815
>>GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
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>*                      |  HAT'S EINEN.  UND WENN'S EINEN HAT,  *
>* BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU  |  HAT MAN'S GANZ SCHOEN SCHWER.        *
>*                      |  (I GOT IT FROM MY DAD; DON'T KNOW    *
>* Mom to Tatijana 7/4/90   WHERE HE GOT IT)                    *
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From: pburch@cmb.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: chicken pox in a nursing baby?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 15:49:26 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Friends of ours now have chicken pox. I had it myself at the age
of 1.5 years, so I'm okay.

The question is, does nursing a chicken pox-immune mother give a baby
of nine months immunity to chicken pox?

If not, and the baby catches it, how likely is it that the baby
will fail to get immunity to chicken pox?

I'm wondering what the magic age may be, after which immunity is
likely--I seem to recall that a baby who catches c.p. below a
certain age is unlikely to develop immunity for the future.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: wsm0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Wayne S. Mery)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: RECIPES NEEDED FOR FUSSY EATERS
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:54:51 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Judy Tryer (judy@locus.com) wrote:
: In article <C18Eq5.1CH@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> brett@sr.hp.com () writes:
: >Nancy M. Schnepp (ns@bohr.physics.purdue.edu) wrote:
: >> I have two fussy eaters, ages 7 and 11.  I am very tired
: >> of the spaghettios or macaroni and cheese suppers.  
: >
: >I realize this may sound a bit cold, but is there anything wrong with giving
: >them what everyone else is having and if they don't want it they go hungry?

: What is "wrong" with it is that it sets up a power struggle over food.  It is
: the dictates of an authoritarian parent telling his child "eat this or go
: hungry".  Reminds me of the Beast in "Beauty and the Beast".  

: You are probably an authoritarian parent and that is your perogative.  But 
: most of the parents on this net tend more "democratic" parenting than 
: "authoritarian" parenting and this is just one example of the differences of
: approach.

: What is wrong with letting them eat spaghettios or macaroni and cheese and
: fixing yourself something more to your tastes at the same time?  It isn't
: like their prefered dishes take a lot of time to cook.  In fact, you could
: fix your dinner for yourself and just heat the kids dinners in the background.

Better yet, give the kids responsibility for their own stubbornness (which is 
the problem most of the time) and at the same time they learn self-sufficiency.
Let them fix their own!  If that happens to be PB+J so be it.

We have been authoritarian to a point.  If it's something new, they have to
try it for at least one meal.  Once this sytem was in place and firmly 
applied we've had very few complaints, and the kids are learning to enjoy more
types of food because of it.  

-- 
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Wayne S. Mery           Systems Programmer      Lehigh University Computing Ctr
WSM0@Lehigh.edu  (Unix)                         LUWSM@IBM1.cc.lehigh.edu  (VM)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: menon@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Ravi Menon)
Subject: Re: Girls names - "M"
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:39:20 GMT

babb@k2 (Scott Babb) writes:

>I knew a lovely young lady in Hawaii named Mailia (my-LEE-ah).
>I also knew a Hawaiian gril named Maile (MY-lee).
>You would probably find many Hawaiian "M" names for maybe-daughter.

>--
>   Lockheed Sanders may disagree so these are solely the opinions of:
>             Scott L. Babb - babb@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com
>              "We didn't inherit the Earth from our parents,
>                   we are borrowing it from our children."

And I know a girl from Hawaii named Malia (muh-lee-uh).  I think
it is the Hawaiian form of Mary.  Anyone out there know for sure?

Deantha
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:32:44 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


The following has nothing to do with kids whatsoever:



In article <765363d6711225t278@witsend.uucp> dcs@witsend.tnet.com (D. C. Sessions) writes:
->Thought it might be interesting to compare the semantics of another
->newsgroup, same author.  This is from <talk.politics.mideast>:
->
->  In case the relationship between the two articles isn't clear, I'll
->  save a post by explaining now.  In the one case, JH (who has
->  previously supported the extension of the word 'terrorism') claims
->  that the term is meaningless because it has been abused.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you have entirely missed the point,
which most was simply that since the word "terrorist" can be extended to
cover more-or-less any circumstance, it has lost any meaning.

->  Please, don't follow-up with some hysterical claim that the
->  common ground for both positions is that Jews are the bad guys.

This would be particularly foolish, since Jews are not the only middle-eastern
religious group to be circumcised.

-- 
===Jeremy Henderson===jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk=          

Unauthorised access is a criminal offence under The Computer Misuse Act 1990.
If you are a British Airways employee, disconnect NOW.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sll@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (sharon.l.lee)
Subject: Sick often in day care
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:15:24 GMT


I need some advice from the netters:

My daughter Rebecca has been in day care since
she was 22 months old and has been sick often.  She 
coughs for 2 hours non-stop until she vomits 
everything in her system.  Until about last winter, 
her condition was so frightening that her ped. suggested
that she see a specialist.  At Children's Hosptial in Boston, 
the doctor gave her blood test and X-rays, but still couldn't 
locate the cause, and ordered even more blood tests and x-rays.  
The doctor found out that she had the sinus infection and had 
given her bactrim(?).

She is now 3 1/2, still has coughs, but seems to be under
controled.  Her ped. gives her ventolin(?) for her coughs but 
when necessary.  My daughter's condition is worst at
nap time or bed time (almost every night), or when she lies down.  
I almost suspect that she may have asthma but her ped. didn't 
seem to think so.  


I now give her Robitison-DM before she goes to bed and most of the time
it does the trick.   

I need to know if anyone has the same experience and would like to share
it with me.   


Thanks in advance,
Sharon
From: llf@alice.att.com (alice!llf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: cars and babies sleeping
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:37:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24704
Reply-To: llf@alice.UUCP (alice!llf)
Organization: New Jersey State Home for Bewildered Kittens

The baby falls asleep best when in the car?  Don't do it, teach the
child to sleep in his/her bed.

Why?  Because of the following fable.  The names have been changed to
protect the guilty. :-)

Once upon a time, there were these totally clueless first time parents
who both worked and had never been around children, and a very stubborn
infant.

Because the parents were at work all week, the infant learned to take
naps at day care by laying down and going to sleep.  Because the
parents had busy weekends, and were having a tough time adjusting to
non-DINK-hood, the infant fell asleep in the car for weekend nap time for many,
many months.

And on the rare days that they weren't out driving at nap time,
the infant would keep going for hours and hours past it's nap time.
They tried to teach the child to take a nap via the Ferber method.
(Ferber-izing worked well at night because they did it every
night in a row.)  They failed for a number of reasons:  because it
was only for weekends, and only every 3rd or 4th weekend at that,
because it was usually only one day of the weekend, because the infant
could out last the parents in a contest of wills, because the parents
didn't have the stomach for more than 2 hours of screaming.

So the parents drove their infant for a nap every weekend
until it outgrew naps at the ripe age of 3.5 years old.
-- 
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