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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Test your Final 4 knowledge
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:07:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bu2L91.IsC
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick Suffridge) writes:

	This -- by far -- has been the best answer so far.  Just one
	doubt in my mind, however...

> 1984 Georgetown
>-------------------
> C - Patrick Ewing 
> F - Bill Martin
> F - David Wingate
> G - Michael Jackson
> G - Fred Brown
     
	I always wondered who started the championship game here for
	Georgetown.  Along with Jackson and Brown, the other candidate
	to start could have been defensive gem Gene Smith..

	But Congrats Rick!  U are the winner!

	Jazzy J
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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Depth in College Hoops
Date: 30 Aug 92 21:50:00 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <715024298@stego.cs.duke.edu>, rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith) writes:
>However, you had tremendous versatility in
>the starting five other than Hurley, who is pure point guard.  

 I certainly agree with you on the versatility issue; K recruits good athletes
who can play several positions.  It's rare that he'll recruit a "pure"
player, like McCaffrey, or a poor defender, like Clark.  But you may 
remember at some points last year that the lineup sometimes had Grant Hill
at point and Hurley at off guard.  This was stopped with those two players'
injuries and scrapped for the tournament.  But I do remember that Hurley's
shooting seemed to improve when he wasn't handling the ball as much.  Look
for more of that this year.

Robert Clough, DUMC (though certainly not speaking for them)
	"I'm all sixes and sevens and nines."--M.Jagger
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: which award is college basketball's Heisman Trophy?
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.college
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:53:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.200741.20539@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>There is a discussion in r.s.b.pro recently concerning college basketball's
>Player of the Year award. Which award is considered THE award?
>I don't follow college basketball that much. Can the college folks shed
>some lights?
>-- 
>                                          Edward Lor
>                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com

Very politicaly stated Ed.  Your mother would be proud.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Versatile Teams
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:20:00 GMT
Keywords: How Much Do You Need?

rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera) writes:
>|> 	Anderson, Kenny Battle, Kendall Gill, Steve Bardo, Lowell Hamilton,
>|> 	Marcus Liberty, Larry Smith and Ervin Small.  This is a team that 

> [ ... deleted for brevity ... }

>|> 	they still had enough gas to get to the final 4.  IMHO, this is
>|> 	perhaps the most "versatile" team college basketball had ever seen.
>|> 

>Well J., I fully agree with you - that was a pretty balanced team, where
>someone always seemed to be hot.  My memory still still aches from the game
>that season where a vastly outmanned Georgia Tech (@ illinois, I believe)
>took the Illini to double overtime before getting blown away.
>Don't seem to hear much about the Illini these days ...

	I do remember that game.  Tech sure did hang in close at Assembly
	Hall -- on national TV nonetheless.  I believe that's the game
	where Gill broke his foot too.  Tech did have a solid team that
	year, however.  Hammonds, Oliver, and Scott were the mainstays
	on that team, so U couldn't call them not talented.

	Anyways, Illinois has been on sort of a downswing since that
	magical 88-89 season.  In 89-90, they fielded a solid team that
	finished 3rd in the Big-10, led by Gill, Bardo, and an emerged
	Liberty.  They ended up losing in the 1st round of the NCAAs to
	Negele Knight and Dayton.  In 90-91, Henson again fielded a 20
	win season, as the Illini finished 4th in the Big-10.  Kaufmann
	became the big scorer, and Deon Thomas emerged as the newest
	Illini star.  Last season, Illinois suffered their 1st losing
	season in quite a while -- without the services of Kaufmann for
	the season due to academics.  However, do look for a much improved
	Illini team this season -- with the anticipated return of Kaufmann,
	a rejuvinated Thomas, and more experienced players in Clemons
	Wheeler, and Michael -- along with newcomers Chris Gandy and
	Richard Keene, Illinois should be back on the basketball map this
	season in no time.

	Jazzy J

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby)
Subject: Re: Webber, Rose, Howard: taking money?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:55:02 GMT

smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris ) writes:

>>well i could just call you wolverines a bunch of inept dolts without
>>half a brain like you truly are, but "fichigan" conveys the same meaning
>>with less words.

>Bzzzzzt!  Sorry wrong answer.  The correct answer is:  Fishigan -

nope my answer was correct - now get back out to the stadium and
finish studying all those offensive formations...

>ancient Indian word meaning "Michigan kicks Illinois ass in football
>every year and it always seems to be the game that knocks us out of
>Rose Bowl contention and they also knocked us out of the Final Four in 89

yeah - name the last time the Illini had to beat michigan to
get to the rose bowl.  hell, it's been years dolt.

>and I'm pissed and jealous and haven't figured out how to capitalize
>yet and I don't know what else to do because I have the mind of a
>ten year old so I'll resort to childish name calling."  But thanks
>for playing and you'll receive a copy of our home game.

wow did you do that all in one breath?  impressive.  but
i've know bigger um blowhards.
and why would i be jealous of (sc)um and ann arbor in general?
you can have your frozen wasteland..... and you've already
helped prove the "superiority complex" in athletics and academics
fichiganfolk all seem to adopt (undeservedly so), one reason I cant
stand you fichigan vermin.

as for childish name calling - here's another one for you to
disect:  micshitgan.  Now go off and have fun with that one in
a corner ok?



 "I want all my garmonbozia"   -LMFAP
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: steve@nova.eng.wayne.edu (Steve Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Ohio State - Michigan B-Ball
Keywords: Big Ten Champs
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:14:16 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Center

Oh sure, it'll be easy for teams in the Big Ten to stop Michigan.
All you have to do is figure out a way to stop Webber, and Rose, and
King, and Howard, and somehow out-coach Steve Fisher.  An easy task.  Not.

I'm just patiently awaiting another Columbus triumph on November 21.
It's gotten kind of fun watching John Cooper try to fill in for Earle
Bruce, one the best coaches who ever spent time in Columbus or anywhere
else.  (Oh, whoops, didn't mean to bring football into this!  :)  )

Steve.
U-M '92

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From: jfw1@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (james.f.whitehead)
Subject: Shorten conference schedules (was Re: Cream-puffiness)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:42:38 GMT
Summary: how to fix it


If there's anything wrong with playing chumps for all your out-of-conference games,
it's that we don't get to see enough good games between strong conferences.
Even teams who play several strong out-of-conference games also play several
patsies to fatten their records and self-confidence.

The problem is that conference schedules are getting tougher and longer.
Big East teams will have 18 games in conference, and the best record is likely
to be 12-6. The ACC, SEC, and Big ** are in the same situation. These teams
play plenty of tough games, it's just that they're the same old St Johns
(Purdue, Virginia,...) and it would be just fine and dandy to play them
only once a year instead of twice.

That would free up 7-10 games so EVERYONE could play St Leo and maybe a few
stronger teams from other conferences.

Since the NCAA selection guys pay close attention to strngth of schedule,
teams that use ALL those games to play St. Leo would join Evansville
and Wisconsin-BF on the sidelines with 20-7 records.

Jim Whitehead
"so what"
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Upcoming Kuppenheimer Classics
Date: 31 Aug 92 02:32:27 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <19386@ector.cs.purdue.edu> sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes:
>
>What's the big idea, actually getting real teams to play in a
>preseason classic?  Don't you southern folks know that you're supposed

This isn't really a preseason classic.  An early season one, mebbe...

>to invite three patsies?  Just look at the Hoosier, Boilermaker, ...
>"Classics."
>
>You keep this up, and you're going to give hoops a bad name.
>sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:

Well, I suppose I could say something about Real Men scheduling (and
beating) Real Teams, but I guess I won't.   :-)

I guess Tech, UK, Georgia, Kansas, UofL, and UCLA all have something to
learn from the Hoosier State when it comes to Creampuff Scheduling (isn't
that a required class at Purdue and IU?).   :-)

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King)
Subject: Re: Shaq's impact
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:23:19 GMT

In article <715440397@termite.cs.duke.edu> db@duke.cs.duke.edu (Dov Bulka) writes:
>
>Give me one reason to believe that he will do for his pro
>team what he couldn't do for his college.
	Cause he will be surrounded with better talent
	resources, & coachs.
>
>Dov
>-- 
>An adult child of normal parents
	Very rare.


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From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Test your Final 4 knowledge
Date: 4 Sep 1992 15:00:49 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <XJAM.92Sep4123441@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU> xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer) writes:
|Wow, pretty damn good. No I don't know the answer.
|But did Mark Plansky come of the bench for the Villanova squad or did he
|start? Or do I just have the wrong Plansky.
Plansky sat on the bench, as did Dwight Wilbur.  Wilbur started most of the 
season, but Jensen took his starting spot during the tourney(good thing,
too!).

Rick


Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald D Rodabaugh)
Subject: Re: Ohio State - Michigan B-Ball
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.college
Summary: Buckeyes have the banner....
Keywords: Big Ten Champs
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:01:39 GMT

In article <Rlj-gw#@engin.umich.edu> martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) w
rites:
>>Sounds like you'll have a new rag to wipe the snow off your car in frigid
>>(both kinds of frigid) Ann Arbor come next march!
>>
>
>Do I sense some sour grapes? Michigan will win another championship!!!
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     Hey Bucko! The only _CHAMPIONSHIP_ banner from 1992 that will be hanging 
in a Big Ten basketball arena will be in St. John Arena. (Remember the Big 
Ten?)
>                             Marty
Go Reds! Go Buckeyes! Go Browns!
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Senior, Mechanical Engineering
The Ohio State University
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: beineke@molest.ugcs.caltech.edu (Phil Beineke)
Subject: Re: Ohio State - Michigan B-Ball
Organization: /home/beineke/.organization
	<19361@ector.cs.purdue.edu> <Cpj-dN_@engin.umich.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:22:58 GMT

In article <Cpj-dN_@engin.umich.edu> martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:

>   Michael Talley 6'0 guard
>		   Started two years ago. Second on the team two years ago in 
>		   assists and scoring. Has excellant ball handeling skills and
>		   can drive to the basket. He was the Mr. Michigan Basketball
>		   four years ago, but has played inconsistant. He has said
>		   that he wants more playing time, and will work to prove he
>		   deserves it. Has lots of speed....

Wait a second--I thought that this guy was transferring.  Anybody know
for certain?

>   Rich McIver	6'9 forward
>		   Good back-up forward. Got some quality minutes in a few
>		   games. Grabbed a lot of rebounds.

I'm 99% sure that this guy is gone.

>   Deep enough????
 
I dunno.  If Talley didn't leave, they go 9 deep and are an excellent team
with any given player out of the line-up.  If he did exit, there could be a 
lot of pressure on Dugan Fife to back up the point. 

By the way, you left Psycho (Jason Bossard) off your list of important Michigan
back-ups.  Who cares if he'll only get into the game against teams like
Cleveland State, U-Detroit and Indiana?  He's always excited about the game, 
and he gets the stars psyched up to perform.

Phil Beineke
U-M Student using a Caltech account
beineke@ugcs.caltech.edu
(Or beineke@um.cc.umich.edu)
From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Cream-puffiness
Date: 31 Aug 1992 18:10:20 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

|
|This invites the start of a new thread.  Who's the worst when it comes to
|overall Cream-puffiness of scheduling?  Let's throw out conference play - 
|you don't have any choice about who you play there, only your overall
|membership in the conference.
|
|I'd always taken it for granted that Georgetown was the worst at this,
|but I'd be willing to listen to arguments for other schools...
|
|^  Dr. J(effrey Neil Burch)                 jb118@prism.gatech.edu    ^

I think you have to consider Syracuse, too.  I'll have to get my old
schedules to support the arguement, though.

Rick
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Livingston to LSU?
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:53:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Btuut6.CqI
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

burgin@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Robert Burgin) writes:
>	I dunno - maybe because he'd like to play on a national
>	championship team?

>	Am I correct that Dale Brown has made the Final Four
>	a total of once?  Who was on that team?

	Dale Brown has coached 2 Final 4 teams -- one in 1980 (on a team
	that featured Durand Macklin, Howard Carter, and the "Cookieman")
	and one in 1986 (which featured Ricky Blanton, John "Chicken Pox"
	Williams, and the late Don Redden, among others...)

	Jazzy J
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan)
Subject: Re: Livingston to LSU?
Organization: ^$
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:19:33 GMT

In article <14807@borg.cs.unc.edu> burgin@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Robert Burgin) writes:
>Today's paper also reports that Randy Livingston is expected
>to commit to LSU next week.  His other top choices are Duke,
>UNC, Michigan, and Kentucky.
>
>Not to start a flame war or anything, but why would anyone
>pass up playing in the ACC to play for Dale Brown?

 On the other hand, why would anyone pass up playing for Dale Brown to play
in the ACC? 

>
>--rb
From: burgin@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Robert Burgin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Feggins Could Miss Season for NC State
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:50:16 GMT

Today's newspaper reports that NC State player Bryant Feggins
has not enrolled for the fall semester and probably will not
play for the Wolfpack this season.  Feggins has been having
some physical problems stemming from his shooting by an
unidentified individual in April.

With Feggins out, NC State's chances obviously go from bad
to worse.

--rb
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Test your Final 4 knowledge
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:02:58 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA) writes:
>I'm afraid I must disagree with my esteemed colleague here; State's
>fifth starter in '83 was a senior center with the unlikely name of
>Cozell McQueen.  I wonder whatever became of him?

	Cozell McQueen had a mediocre career at NC State, doing mostly
	dirty work -- i.e. rebounding and blocking shots.  He never really
	was much of a scorer.  He ended up going overseas to play ball,
	and, in fact, is still there now.

>Mr. Gannon, of course, went on to fame and fortune as the "roving
>reporter" on Jefferson-Pilot's ACC telecasts.  (He was the sixth man for
>State that year, commonly referred to as Terry "The Cannon" Gannon for
>his remarkable range.)

	U would have to wonder how NC State would have fared back then if
	the 3-pt shot was still in effect.  With people like Gannon, Lowe,
	and Wittenberg -- they would have scored plenty of points.

	Jazzy J

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From: beineke@molest.ugcs.caltech.edu (Phil Beineke)
Subject: Steve Fisher (please note the spelling)
Organization: /home/beineke/.organization
	<Bto6Cz.JCC@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1992Aug28.141416.12718@cs.wayne.edu>
	<1992Aug28.110512.24412@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
	<1992Aug28.180208.16865@cs.wayne.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:42:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.180208.16865@cs.wayne.edu> steve@nova.eng.wayne.edu (Steve Phillips) writes:

>   |> somehow I don't relate Fischer's coaching
>   |> ability with the other's talents
>
>   The bottom line is that he wins when it counts.  Ask Randy Ayers.

I can't agree with this statement at all.  _The_bottom_line_ to Fisher's 
coaching ability is that he wins when it counts?  Most people would now say
that Coach K at Duke is the best around.  Yes, he's won when it counted, but 
he's also lost when it counted.  The reason he's such a great coach is
that he's consistently developed his teams well enough to reach an advanced 
round of the tourney.  Then, in encounters between excellent teams, any one has
a good chance of beating any other.  Duke was lucky to win this year and lucky 
to win last year.  Their desperation shot fell, and an opponent's didn't.  How 
would Fisher's coaching be if Rumeal had missed a free throw?

Anyhow, when exactly does it count?  How about the Big 10 opener against an
overmatched Purdue squad this past season?  (Michigan apparently thought it
counted--they donned the special yellow uniforms.)  Or the home game vs. MSU 
where the team failed to hold a big early lead?  To a lot of us in Big 10 
Country those games counted, and Fisher's coaching looked very bad.  Maybe
he was holding back his good coaching to use in the tournament :).

Or how about the championship game this past year?  Didn't that game count 
most of all?  And wasn't it abysmal?

In all fairness to Fisher, his two tournament runs have been very impressive.
Quite frankly, however, his three-plus seasons of coaching have not been:

--This past season, he stranded Freddy Hunter on the bench when the captain's
leadership and hustle were needed on the court.  
--He hasn't appeared to teach some players what to do on the court.  James 
Voskuil is a great shooter facing the basket, but he's slow.  So why is he
driving with the ball instead of spotting up for the trey?
--Other players with potential have been shuttled in and out of the program--
Mitchell, McIver, Tolbert, Talley(?).  

A lot of Fisher's weaknesses can be covered by Michigan's recruiting draw,
so it's really hard to decide exactly how good his coaching is.  

Phil Beineke
Michigan student using a Caltech account
beineke@ugcs.caltech.edu
(or beineke@um.cc.umich.edu)
From: saqx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Cream-puffiness
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:52:22 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

I almost forgot, the 'Cuse also played in that early season tournament
in Alaska, losing to Arizona in the final game.  I think that was 1988,
but maybe 1989.
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