HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The White Man's Burden of Proof
Date: 6 Sep 92 21:57:25 GMT


mbvg9741@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hmmm. . .) writes:
 
> Ah, I love academia!  It's the only place where two people who
> essentially agree on an issue can become bitter enemies :-)
 
Let it be noted that I see the smiley, and I, too, am amused by Professor
McCarthy attacking me for agreeing with him.
 
Bitter enemies?  I rather suspect that I'd like Professor McCarthy
quite a bit.  I hear (from several sources) that he is charming
in person.
 
But a word of warning to mbvg9741 -- watch who you call an academic.
I work on Wall Street (figuratively, not literally).
 
David Stein has already tried to bestow both a PhD and a Professorship
on me.  Unlike Professor McCarthy, I do not have a graduate degree --
I have something better, a graduate education.
 
I do have a fancy title -- but it is usually associated with people who
can not spell "potato."
 
Mark
From: mapd1@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nigel Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:42:17 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

In article <1992Sep8.194108.12792@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>In article <8SEP199212140448@zeus.tamu.edu> spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes:
>
>>A similar opening can be found in Penelope Ashe's _Naked Came the Stranger_,
>>as ludicrous and lurid a novel as has been penned:
>
>Yes, but NAKED CAME THE STRANGER was *intended* to be both ludicrous and
>lurid. The book was a group project of several "name" authors, who
>published under the pseudonym "Penelope Ashe." 
>

Presumably they had plenty of research material, though one supposes
not each others. Good to know that "name" authors spend their time
creatively.

Nigel
From: jzimm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Joann Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Summary: look in the mirror
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:36:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In many articles, many people have written:

[a gazillion different catchphrases and keywords which they allege are
guaran-damn-teed to cause them to cast the book, with some force, from
them in disgust instead of buying the things, all mercifully deleted
for your reading displeasure]

But don't we all use exactly these phrases (and more) when
enthusiastically posting here about books which we are attempting to
summarize or characterize for readers of unknown tastes? The best
example, of course, is "If you liked XXX, you'll like YYY."

Perhaps most r.a.b. "read-this-book" postings have an effect opposite
that which was intended, then.


-- 
"But there is a limit to human patience; and of research, as of other
carnal pleasures, there cometh satiety at the last." 
                                                  --Bernard Berenson
 ...!cs.utexas.edu!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu!jzimm   
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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:36:54 GMT


Fido writes:
 
        When Joann Zimmerman catches me gushing she may turn off the tap.
 
Oh, I don't know.  I think that "gush" is exactly the word to describe
Fido's articles about Forster's A ROOM WITH A VIEW.  
 
But I hope Joann will refrain from turning off the tap.  The book, and the
film, are well worth gushing over, and if Fido's comments get just one person
to read the book, then gush on!
 
Mark
From: lew@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (lewis.h.mammel..jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Summary: motion seconded
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:25:34 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep9.002133.18899@eff.org>, mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:

> But, really, it's pretty easy to remember books with titles like 
> NAKED CAME THE STRANGER and pen names like "Penelope Ashe." Even
> 20 years later.


Yup.
From: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: utopias and distopias
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:32:06 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Gee, I seem to have annoyed Tom Maddox by referring to something earlier than
last week's People Magazine. Next thing you know, I'll really date myself by
mentioning the theory of relativity (1905).

If I seem to harp on Northrop Frye, it's because his archetypal view of
literature makes sense, and it frees literature of dependency on other kinds of
social anxieties like politics or social values--that turn literature, in
effect, into good or bad propaganda depending on our own ideologies. Frye's
Anatomy of Literature is, literally, the book that changed my life; I only wish
I'd read it as an undergraduate, instead of putting up with insults from the
likes of Lionel Trilling (who despised those of us naive enough to take his
modern lit course). Frye went on to write many more books and articles, the
last of which was published posthumously and shows the old guy had more
intellectual power, even when dying of cancer, than the combined mass of Usenet
on a good day.

But there's an idea for another thread: books that changed your life. Anyone
want to take that one up, even at the risk of boring poor old Tom with any
title the far side of Generation X? :)
From: glw@ioit.uswc.uswest.com (Glenn Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re:  Books on Disc!
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:23:18 GMT
Organization: US WEST Information Technologies

>>From: wwhitman@nevada.edu (MICHAEL WISE)
>>Subject: Re:  Books on Disc!

>>in my head. Why the computer can't cause a revolution in reading as well
>>is something I don't understand.

Cost. In a short time( the Mac portable ) screens will be able to allow better fonts at a reasonable price. I would bet in the next year or two.


glenn williams
US WEST
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From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: thoughts on recent books
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:06:37 GMT

Roger Squires writes:
>_What's Bred in the Bone_ by Davies
>	The High Priestess of the RAB Circle of Eight assigned this
>	one for us to read :) and it was quite enjoyable.

I hope, Roger, you weren't expecting us to giggle without question
here.  I, for one, would like to know: who *are* the RAB Circle of
Eight?  Who is their High Priestess?  And most importantly, what
deity or deities do they worship, and by what rites?

					     --my tan is fading!

							Fiona
From: ncramer@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: [UPI] Report: Book censorship, challenges in schools at 10-year high
Date: 10 Sep 1992 16:21:12 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Reply-To: ncramer@labs-n.bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
>Erik Timmerman writes:
>>	There is a new book on this topic: What Johnny Shouldn't Read
>>	by Joan DelFattore.  Reviewed within the last month in the
> ... Example. Texas would not allow the New Deal to be mentioned
>in their books, since it sounded Commie and not Free Enterprise. Result.
>There is a gap -- literally, a gap -- between Hoover and Pearl Harbor
>where clearly something had been there.

Specifically: Texan schoolbooks are forbidden --by law-- from mentioning
any topic that might tend to show the free-enterprise system in a bad
light.  Since it it difficult to discuss the New Deal without bumping up
against the suggestion that it might have helped the US recover from the
Great Depression, the New Deal is inadmissible evidence.

[Source: "Fresh Air" Interview with DelFattore, broadcast on WBUR (Boston)
Tuesday evening.]

NICHAEL  
nichael@bbn.com  --                Bush/Gorbachev: One Down, One to Go
From: alex@am.sublink.org (Alex Martelli)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Marriage as Hell: Charlotte Perkins Gilman on TV
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:10:54 GMT
Organization: Premiata Famiglia Martelli & Figli

fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:
	...
:>What do you think is behind this trend?  Why are we (apparently) eager
:>to divide *fictional* events that are enormously unlikely but still
:>plausible in a purely material universe, from those that depend on the
:>existence of entities of a spiritual nature?  Is it just another example

Not an answer, but a fascinating story on a theme similar to your
musings is Robert Anton Wilson's "Masks of the Illuminati"...
-- 
Alex Martelli - alex@am.sublink.org - +39 (51) 250434 - Bologna, Italia
From: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: utopias and distopias
Date: 9 Sep 92 05:19:15 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Jon Ferro mentions Le Guin's The Dispossessed as both an anatomy and a book
that changed his life...I think she's very aware of the conventions she uses,
and her somewhat later novel Always Going Home is even more of a classic
anatomy--which is one reason why Norman Spinrad went bananas attacking it.
While Dispossessed didn't change my life, her Wizard of Earthsea influenced me
a lot as a writer--my own novel Eyas owes a lot to her.
From: mworley@mathcs.emory.edu (Meg Worley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Oinkies
Date: 5 Sep 92 17:54:32 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS

Dano writes,
 
> What's next, the CHING of Eeyore?, the Testament of Roo? 
> The Concordance of Kanga? The Codex of Christopher Robin?

The Rubaiyat of Pippi Longstocking, I should think.  Most enlightening.

Rage away,

meg


-- 

 Meg Worley 				Internet:  mworley@mathcs.emory.edu		
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From: cs3631ae@triton.unm.edu (Jim Tanzola)
Subject: Re: Marcia Muller's books
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 04:43:45 GMT
Organization: Disorganization

In article <_6tnr6+@lynx.unm.edu> cs3631ae@triton.unm.edu (Jim Tanzola) writes:
>    Thanks for setting the record straight.  Actually, my use of the term
>'local chapter' was a poor choice, but the meetings are attended by published
>and aspiring authors.  ( Most notably, Albuquerque's own Judith Van Gieson -
>author of:
>           _North of the Border_, _The Other Side of Death_, _Raptor_,
>           _Wolf Pack_     )

   Oops,      ^    ^       should have been _The Wolf Path_     

   Hope that didn't cause any confusion !!
 
>    Actually, I had already been chastised by group members for my description
>before I read your posting.
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From: pjd@unislc.uucp (Priscilla Davidson)
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:44:56 GMT

From article <9484@emory.mathcs.emory.edu>, by mworley@mathcs.emory.edu (Meg Worley):
> I long ago learnt to steer clear of books that were described 

Any book jacket that proclaims "a young woman's descent into madness."
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From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:13:44 GMT

"...adapted from the movie screenplay..."

"...the most moving coming of age story I have ever read..."

"...a journey into the dark underside of..."

"...in the grand tradition of..."

"...this book will change your life..."

-- 

Marcy Thompson		
  SoftQuad (West)			
    marcy@sq.com
From: drew@Unify.com (Andrew Baltzley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: QPBC Phone number
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:45:45 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)


Someone asked about the phone number for the Quality Paperback Book Club and I
didn't see it posted.  Now I need it.  Could someone please mail it to me.  

Thanks,
Drew
drew@Unify.com
From: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: utopias and distopias
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:36:11 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Tony Wallis mentions a book called "Limbo 90"--a dystopia published around
1960. I think the reference must be to Bernard Wolfe's Limbo, published ca.
1950, which I must have read as a teenager in the mid-50s. I don't recall the
misogyny, just the weird stuff about amputations. I also seem to recall that
Wolfe, in the 1930s, had for a time been personal secretary to Trotsky in
Mexico. (This is why I am a deadly dangerous player of Trivial Pursuit.)
From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The White Man's Burden of Proof
Date: 14 Sep 1992 05:36:49 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au

mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes:



>Fido writes:
> 
>        Mark Taranto writes:
> 
>                I do have a fancy title -- but it is usually associated with
>                people who can not spell "potato."
> 
>        And, apparently, with people who cannot spell "cannot".
> 
>I often spell words incorrectly, but in this case I did not (didnot?).

>My WEBSTER'S defines "Cannot" as "Can not."  I was taught that the space is
>optional.  I'm surprised that Fido missed this, 

Why? Has Fido had dealings with your nanny ?


>My WEBSTER'S defines "Cannot" as "Can not."  

Similarly, my OED defines "catachresis" in terms I'd rather not repeat
here; terms which I'd rather not repeat anywhere, actually, when the
word itself is readily at the tips of my fingers.


>[...]  a shortcoming of his nanny, or to his public school.  For those 
>interested in looking it up, it might be of interest to note that it is 
>on the same page as "Canon."

Do yourself a favor and look up the word "catachresis".

> 
>Mark
> 

Infidel.
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Shakespeare
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:59:50 GMT


tomeno@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (mary.p.siringo) writes:
 
> So far, all but one recommended the Riverside
> Shakespeare.   One person suggested the Oxford
> edition.   I have seen the Riverside advertised
> recently in "The Common Reader" for $100 (two-volumes,
> slipcased), and was wondering if that was an
> outrageous price for this set.
 
If one does not mind getting a beat-up used copy, a college bookstore is a
good place to look.  I don't know why anyone would sell the Riverside
Shakespeare after taking a Shakespeare class, but people do.
 
Mark
 
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From: lew@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (lewis.h.mammel..jr)
Subject: Elements of Shampoo Planet
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 21:29:11 GMT
Keywords: NYT

Last Saturday's ( 8/29/92 ) NYT had a spread on the OP-ED page 
showing two element tables accompanied only by the notation:

	The elements - female and male - were created by Douglas
	Coupland for his novel "Shampoo Planet." He is also the
	author of "Generation X."

I sneaked a peek at the bookstore, and these tables are on
the front and back inside covers ( and endpapers. ) They
are not identified as female and male, however.

Riffling through, I did see mention of some of the elements
in the text - I remember "hair" and "MTV". I wonder if they're
all mentioned. I'll probably read this eventually, but I didn't
feel like dropping the $20 just then. ( I did read Generation X. )

There doesn't seem to be any kind of periodicity or other
structure to the tables, so the significance of the table format
wouldn't seem to extend beyond the simple concept of elements.
( Cf. the elements in "Science Made Stupid" - a precursor ? )

Anyway, it's quite a bit of free advertising!


Lew Mammel, Jr.
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Wonderful Life
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:49:04 GMT
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway


Fido writes to Marko Amnell:
 
        Have you thought about changeing your name, Amnell, to Tarant?
        We have a Mark Taranto, and it would be fun to also have a Marko
        Tarant.
 
Don't do it!
 
Your kids will be taunted with nick-names like "Tarantula."
 
Besides, I was thinking of changing my name to reflect my Irish Heritage,
and I was going to choose Mark O'Tarant.  This would cause too much
confusion.  Besides, if you are going to change your name, go whole hog.
Take something comletely different, like Frances Muir -- this might help
Francis with his androgyny.
 
Mark Taranto
 
(which does NOT mean little river)
 
 
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From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires)
Subject: Re: Book Search Request
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 04:32:29 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: usa

In article <s9rntgd.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>
>Giovanni Guareschi's "The Little World of Don Camillo", probably, though
>there are sequels.  This is an enjoyable collection of stories about
>the ongoing confrontations and rivalry between the village priest (Don
>Camillo), and the Communist mayor.  'Gentle' and 'humble' apply to
>neither of them, though their intentions are good.  (One of the earliest
>stories concerns a competition to establish which of the two is the
>strongest man in town.)
>

	Why does this remind me of _Monsignor Quixote_, by Graham Greene??

Roger Squires
rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu
>-----
>Dani Zweig
>dani@netcom.com
>
>"The death of God left the angels in a strange position."
>	--Internal documentation, programmer unknown
>


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From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:35:31 GMT

Mike Godwin writes:

	Francis Muir writes:

		Jeremy, the Law is a Ass. Leave legal matters to 
		the assinine.

	Quite right. Similarly, one should leave geological matters 
	to the oily.

Unctuous might sound a little better, I believe.

								Fido
From: mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Chautauqua ? (Zen & the Art...)
Summary: geography
Date: 12 Sep 92 04:08:26 GMT
Distribution: bl
Organization: AT&T

In article <12267@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

> after its place of origin in upstate New York.  The goal was to

Admittedly, "upstate New York" means anything outside the five boroughs
(and probably also excludes Lon Gisland), but it should be noted that
Chatauqua is a few miles south of Lake Erie, on a feeder lake named,
oddly enough, Chatauqua) and equally few miles east of the westernmost
border of New York.  It's about 100 miles northeast of Cleveland, and
that is perhaps the best localization of its ethos.
-- 
Michael L. Siemon		   "Oh, stand, stand at the window,
					As the tears scald and start;
mls@usl.com			   You shall love your crooked neighbor
standard disclaimer			With your crooked heart."
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From: jpl@lyra.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan Lavigne)
Subject: Re: Movie based on "The Aspern Papers"? Yes!
Keywords: yes
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date:  5 Sep 92 00:31:53 GMT

jwest@ramona.com (Jim Western) writes:

>dcox@relay.nswc.navy.mil (David Cox) writes:

>>I recently read a collection of six short novels by Henry James,
>>and the only one that stood out was "The Aspern Papers." My
>>father mentioned that a movie was made of that work, under
>>a different name, but he wasn't sure of the fact, or the name.

>I'm positive this was _The Heiress_. It was remade in the 1970's as
>_Daisy Miller_ with Sybil Shephard and Deborah Kerr.
Daisy Miller and the Aspern Papers are two quite separate works. A quick check
of RLIN (the Research Libraries Information Network) turns up the following
screenplay based on the Aspern Papers:
 
Berovici, Leonardo.
  "The lost moment" : screenplay / by Leonardo Berovici ; from the novel "The
 Aspern papers" by Henry James. -- Universal City, Calif. : W. Wanger, 1947.
  131 leaves ; 28 cm.

  "Final screenplay."

  I. James, Henry, 1843-1916. The Aspern papers. II. Title: The lost moment
 (Motion picture).

  ID: NHDG204001501-B             CC: 9665       DCF: i
  CALL: 1285
From: lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (sometimes a Wombat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Title of poem from scanty fragment?
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:24:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Society for the Appreciation of Janni Lee Simner

This will be the 9th to appear on your site.

wagner@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>I'd like to find the poem which contains (I'm sure I've mangled the lines,
>so I know this is a tall order)
>
>        Things fall apart, the center doesn't hold
>	The best are gnawed by withering doubts
>        The worst are full of headstrong certainty... 

   Turning and turning in the widening gyre,
   The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
   Things fall apart, the center cannot hold;
   Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
   The blood dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
   The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
   The best lack all conviction, while the worst
   Are full of passionate intensity.

The opening of "The Second Coming" by Billy "Buts" Yeats.  That was
from memory, so 'tis accurate to order punctuation.  In parallel
to the "Dover Beach" thread, I did not read Arnold until college, but
read Yeats in high school, and was powerfully affected.  In fact, for
several years, I believed he was right.

I got better.

	Larry "Newt" Hammer
--

                               | "Absence diminishes small loves and increases
LNH@albert.physics.arizona.edu | great ones, as the wind blows out the candle 
insanity needs no disclaimer   | and blows up the bonfire." --La Rochefoucauld
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From: wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith)
Subject: Re: Ken Kesey's latest
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 20:42:57 GMT

Francis Muir (Fido) writes:
	
	Pity no-one thought to trash Mr Kesey himself some time ago.
	He is pond scum.




I thought "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" a rather good book.  Is
this another example of an author or artists life style affecting
judgement about the works?



William Sburgfort Smith
Intel, SSD

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From:  (jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu)
Subject: Re: The White Man's Burden of Proof - New words!!
Organization: haphazard, at best
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 12:38:38 GMT

In article <8SEP199215011804@zeus.tamu.edu>, spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes:
> 
> Mark Taranto writes...
> >Fido writes:
> >        Mark Taranto writes:
> >                I do have a fancy title -- but it is usually associated with
> >                people who can not spell "potato."
> >        And, apparently, with people who cannot spell "cannot".
> > 
> And, incidentally, "potatoe" and "potato" are both legitimate spellings;  or at
> least as legitimate as "colour" for "color," "favourite" for "favorite,"
> "tyre" for "tire," "manoeuvre" for "manouver" and "knee-jerk reactionary
> goon" for "J. Danforth Quayle."
> 
> 
> 

May favourite word is irregardless.  Yes, yes, we all know that it is not
a word, but I love to irk people by using it (is irk a word?)    I use irregardless
much as many people use "I could care less" and "I couldn't care less".  In
the first case, it appears that while the person could care less about a subject,
there is very little room for it.  I use irregardless to mean while I will
pay some regard to your remarks, the amount of attention that they will
receive could fit in a matchbook with the matches still inside.

Jon

jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
============================
Denounce: Those words which refer to objects, a part of speech much like
                      de verbs, de adjectives, etc...  (or De Bears, De Bulls, De Beers...)


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