HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com (T.J. Higgins)
Subject: Re:      Windows NT
Reply-To: tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com
Organization: The Ernest P. Worrell Institute for the Study of the Vernal Equinox
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:43:06 GMT

In article <GIS-L%92121317365796@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>,         Mike Frith <FRITH@MAX.CC.UREGINA.CA> writes:
|> Does anyone know if the major vendors are going to port their
|> software to Windows NT?  

Intergraph recently announced the following regarding WinNT:

We are porting Windows NT to the Intergraph Clipper processor.

We are porting Intergraph Mechanical, AEC, and Mapping/GIS applications
to Windows NT.

We are porting I/EMS to DEC's new Alpha processor running Windows NT.

We are porting MicroStation to Windows NT.

We are porting I/EMS to Silicon Graphics workstations and Control Data
MIPS-based workstations running UNIX.

We are working with Microsoft, SGI, and DEC on the specification of
OpenGL for Windows NT. This will provide the high-end graphics
(including 3D) required by certain Intergraph applications.

-- 
T.J. Higgins | tj@alpine.b17a.ingr.com | Intergraph Mapping | Huntsville, AL
DISCLAIMER:  I am not an official Intergraph spokesperson
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
From: leva@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Joseph A. Leva)
Subject: Re: Evaluation of low end GIS software (fwd)
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:35:23 GMT

xor@clotho.acm.rpi.edu (Joe Schwartz) writes:

>Well, strictly speaking, MapInfo and MapBasic are two separate products.
>If you want to write MapBasic applications you need the MapBasic compiler,
>which is sold separately from MapInfo.

>If you simply want to execute single MapBasic commands, then you don't
>need the MapBasic compiler -- you can use the MapBasic window that's
>built into MapInfo 2.0.
>-- 
>Joe Schwartz       E-mail: xor@acm.rpi.edu
>MapInfo Corp.
>200 Broadway       Disclaimer: "Everything I know is wrong."
>Troy, NY 12180     Corollary:  "Nothing I say represents MapInfo Corp."

	So, why does an employee of a MegaBucks company like MapInfo have to
get net access thru an ACM account a RPI?  

			-Joe

---------------
Joseph Leva
leva@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
---------------
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 12:25:36 PST
From:         Haizi Xu <USERSP45@UBCMTSG.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Evaluation of low end GIS software

The issue of PC Magazine that Mr. David Wang mentioned in his
message is July 1991 Volume 10 Number 13. The article is titled
"Mapping Sotware: Analyzing a World of Data", under GRAPHICS
category. By the way, there is a review about low-end GIS in
the July issue of Planning, titled "Desktop GIS: Wave of the
Future."

Hope this helps.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

 \     /______                Haizi Xu         "Truth does not depart
  \  /_______     ______      M.S. Student      from human nature ..."
 \    |  \   |         /
  \  -+------+-       \       School of Community and Regional Planning
   /  |   \  |   ------+---   University of British Columbia
 /    |------+         |      E-mail Address: HAIZI_XU@MTSG.UBC.CA
            /         /
                    /         Tel: (604) 322-0040
________________________________________________________________________
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:26:48 CST
From:         Marla Fendley <marla@LAND1.TAMU.EDU>
Subject:      subscribe

i would like to subscribe.


marla@sherman.tamu.edu
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:35:58 PST
From:         spalladi@PIXIE.NCGIA.UCSB.EDU
Subject:      Re: LIS/GIS Videos
              13 Dec 92 23:13:57 PST." <9212131521.aa22474@pollux.GEOG.UCSB.EDU>

The NCGIA is just finishing up a survey of GIS videos.  It will available
as one of our technical reports at the beginning of the new year.  I
will send another message to GIS-L after the first of the year with more
details.  If you can't wait, you can try calling the NCGIA Publications
Office at 805-893-8224 for more information.  STEVE

Mr. Steve Palladino
Education Projects Manager
National Center for Geographic Information and Analysis
University of California, Santa Barbara
Phone: (805)893-8652
Fax: (805)893-8617
E-mail: (Internet) spalladi@castor.geog.ucsb.edu
        (Bitnet) palladi@voodoo.bitnet
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Organization: University at Buffalo
X-Envelope-to: GIS-L@UBVM.BITNET
X-VMS-To: IN%"GIS-L@UBVM.BITNET"
X-VMS-Cc: GLLGUAN
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:50:38 -0500
From:         WEIHE GUAN <GLLGUAN@UBVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: running INFO from menu interface

Oh, I just want to tell you that finally my problem is solved (can't tell
you how happy I am :-)!

The command I used in my station is (I believe that every station could be
slightly different even with the same supporting systems):

&sys xterm -e $ARCHOME/programs/arc \info (to get into a new info window);

&sys xterm -e $ARCHOME/programs/arc \&r aml_file (to run an aml or menu
                                                  program in a new window).

I used an aml program which calls up a FORM menu, enters ARCEDIT,
does the feature selection in the arcedit graphic window, then the
attribute listing and editing in the arcedit command window (driven by
the menu).

In this way I don't need to get into another INFO window any more.
Now the only minor dis-satistaction is that the ARCEDIT echos will
show up in the data listing/editing window too. Is there any way to
turn the echos off when running an aml or menu program?

Many thanks to those of you who gave me supports and advices!

- Weihe Guan
SUNY at Buffalo
gllguan@ubvms.bitnet

--------------------
>>>  "&sys xterm -e arc" is not able to bring up a new window running arc
>
>I know that sometimes this method won't find arc correctly.  Try this:
>
>  &sys xterm -e $ARCHOME/programs/arc
>
>or substitute the value of the environment variable ARCHOME.  The same
>thing will work with INFO:
>
>  &sys xterm -e $ARCHOME/programs/info
>
>I hope this helps.  I am still a little confused about what you want
>to do.  You can call me if you'd like a fresh ear.
>
>Michael Fitzgibbon
>ESRI - Olympia
>(206) 754-4727
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
From: rob@zorro.cecer.army.mil (Rob Knauerhase)
Subject: Re: Announcing GRASShopper lists via Usenet
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 07:38:08 GMT

[I'm posting this rather than replying only to Rob Parry in case there are
 others who are interested as well.]

In <57956.rparry@hydrolab.arsusda.gov> Rob Parry <rparry@HYDROLAB.ARSUSDA.GOV> writes:
>In Message Wed, 9 Dec 1992 22:27:59 GMT, Rob Knauerhase <rob@ZORRO.CECER.ARMY.MIL> writes:
>>With this gateway, messages mailed to the grassu-list (or grassp-list) will
>>automatically be posted to the corresponding Usenet newsgroup, and messages
>>that are posted to the Usenet groups will be mailed to the appropriate list.
>>In this way, THE TWO MEDIA WILL BE EQUIVALENT as to content, so you lose
>>nothing by choosing to receive GRASShopper by E-mail or by Usenet news.

>Can I receive mail/news thru Listserv?  From the rest of this message (that
>I deleted) I assume I can.  What is the name of the Listserv server I
>send to to subscribe myself??

If you want to read the lists through Usenet news, you can subscribe to
info.grass.user and/or info.grass.programmer.  To use the mail version of the
lists, follow the directions below:

  The address for commands to the GRASShopper lists are
	grassu-request@moon.cecer.army.mil (for users' list)
	grassp-request@moon.cecer.army.mil (for programmers' list).

  Sending mail to either address with "SUB Your Name" in the subject line
  or in the text (left-justified, no quotes) will sign you up for the list and
  you will begin receiving mail from others.  To quit, just replace SUB above
  with UNSUB.

      For more information, send a message containing the word HELP to one of
  the command addresses, or to speak to a human being, send mail to
	grass-lists-owner@moon.cecer.army.mil

  To send articles to the GRASShopper communities, mail your message to
	grassu-list@moon.cecer.army.mil or
	grassp-list@moon.cecer.army.mil

Rob
--
Rob Knauerhase [rob@amber.cecer.army.mil]  Office of GRASS Integration
Construction Engineering Research Labs, US Army Corps of Engineers
"See, when the GOVERNMENT spends money, it creates jobs; whereas when the
 money is left in the hands of TAXPAYERS, God only knows what they do with it.
 Bake it into pies, probably.  Anything to avoid creating jobs." -- Dave Barry
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:21:02 EST
From:         Stan Green <N050032@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      set nomail

set no mail stan green
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:26:27 -0800
From:         Julian Rodriguez Cano <jrodrigu@UCHDCIUX.SECI.UCHILE.CL>
Subject:      signoff gis-l

  i was already send this message to listserv, but isn't works,
please, mercy whoever is out there i want to get out!!!!
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:36:54 EST
From:         Alan Fiermonte <ABZX@CORNELLA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: GIS course for Info Sys Students

Areas of use in business world...current and potential?

1. Real estate site selection and property development (e.g. relocation)
2. Business transaction tracking (e.g. credit card use)
3. Demographics analysis and strategic marketing (e.g. target marketing)
4. Routing and dispatching (e.g. transport and delivery)
5. Travel planning and management (e.g. sales)
6. Environmental planning and management (e.g. Site planning)
7. Mapping/Cartography (i.e. creating new and varied maps for sale!!!!!)
8. Modelling and forecasting (e.g. economic)
9. Leisure, recreation and tourism planning (e.g. trip planning/mapping)
10.  Virtual reality and simulation (e.g. architecture and landscape design)
11.  Image and document georeferencing (e.g. mapped videos/video mapping?)

I can't think of any more right now.


Alan Fiermonte
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
From: feuchtwa@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin Feuchtwanger)
Subject: Re: Quantifying maps
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:15:22 GMT

>During a visit to the U.K.'s Ordnance Survey, it was discovered that spatial
>data on maps is quantified using house-equivalent units. This quantification
>is used in the context of a measurement of change. When change on a map reaches
>50 house-equivalent units, the revision of the map is considered worthwhile.
>Different lengths of varying classes of roads are equivalent to one house unit.

>E.g. 50m of motorway, or 100m of main road, or 500m of path equals 1 house
>unit.

>If the Ordnance Survey can equate map data to a fixed measurement, it should
>be possible to quantify a whole map in terms of a fixed measurement, although
>not neccessarily in house-equivalent units. Using that fixed measurement, it
>would be possible to use computerised symbolic recognition and analysis, to
>achieve a single-value measurement of information shown on a map. The only
>problem in presenting a value as the map's data-content, is that it does not
>take into account the spatial relations on a map.
>        However, the whole area of a map is a spatial relationship, even
>where there is no symbolic representation. The blank areas of a map are
>just as important as the areas containing data. Who is to say that a feature
>not appearing in one location, is any less important information than that
>feature appearing in another location. Using this assumption, the spatial
>relationships on a map can be quantified by measuring the area represented
>by a map. By marrying this area measurement to the map's data content, in
>some relational form, a complete quantification of the map's content becomes
>viable.

Using "house units" as a basis for measuring the information content
of a map may give us something, but there's certainly a lot more to it
than that.  Relationships (spatial, topical, and temporal) _as well as_
attributes (ditto) represent important map, or geo, information.
Just how does the "area of a map" become "a spatial relationship"?
Explicitly recorded relationships must surely be enumerated along with
attributes of features.
Also, measuring the sizes of features (and maps, for that matter)
won't tell us much unless we also consider map scale (and if you
followed the discussion on map scale recently, you'll know that _that_
is not a simple matter!).
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Via: uk.ac.sheffield.primea; Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:37:51 +0000
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:36:36 LCL
From:         "C.Hobson" <TR1CAH@PRIMEA.SHEFFIELD.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: 18th cen. Engl. Census request

Hi Beth

Sorry I can't help with your request, but I'm interested in the skull
on your email signature!  Can you explain it please?  Is is a book?

Chris Hobson
From: georg@WIGEO.WU-WIEN.AC.AT (Georg Magenschab)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: Convert files from PC ARC/INFO to SUN ARC/INFO or vice versa
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:34:22 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
              Dec 20, 92 3:25 pm

> Is there any program or command in ARC/INFO to convert files of PC ARC/INFO
> to SUN ARC/INFO or from SUN to PC.

Hi,
we use ARC/INFO 6.1 (SUN) and pcARC/INFO 3.4D. Because pcARC/INFO uses
dBASE as database the easiest way is to export a coverage and import
it in pcARC/INFO (and vice versa). In the manual (I think it was in Release
5.0 or so) ESRI described a way via Kermit, but I never tried it in >5.0.
The "PC ARC/INFO Technical Guide to Hardware Options" (Section 5) has
some hints.
INFO Files can be exported using SDF (Standard Delimited Format) which is
supported by INFO as well as dBASE.

Hope that helps!

--
+=======================================================+
|                     WIGeo-GIS                         |
|     Wirtschaftsgeographische Informationssysteme      |
| - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |
| George W. MAGENSCHAB                                  |
| Department of Geography                               |
| University of Economics and Business Administration   |
| Augasse 2-6                                           |
| A-1090 Vienna / Austria                               |
|     voice: +43 +1 31336-4206                          |
|       fax: +43 +1 31336-703                           |
|    e-mail: wigeomag@nestroy.wu-wien.ac.at             |
+=======================================================+
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: (no subject given)
Apparently-To: gis-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:12:51 PST
From:         CSOS & DIGITAL 14-Dec-1992 1310 <ilic@YUNADA.ENET.DEC.COM>

Would you, please, add me to your distribution list.

Thank you,

Zoran Ilic,
Business Partner Manager
Environment/GIS Business Unit
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: GIS course for Info Sys Students
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 00:50:35 GMT
Followup-To: comp.infosystems.gis
Organization: Information Systems Department, Massey University, PN, NZ

I am starting a new post graduate course to introduce Information Systems
Students to GIS.  Most of our students have completed a first degree in
Business Studies, majoring in computing information systems.  They are NOT
technically orientated computer science students.  The course is only one
tenth of a years work so can not be very detailed.  I entend concentrating
on the problems of implementation, management from the Infomation Systems
Departments point of view (help to users etc) and application areas. 
Roughly based on the third volume of the NCGIA Core Curriculum.  I am
trying to organise access to IDRISI to give them some practical experience.

Our students usually go  into trainy management/consultancy or
systems/business analyst type positions.  We have a large number of mature
students who require a business computing qualification.

Is there anyone else out there teaching GIS to a simlar group of students. 
I would be interested in ideas, methods etc.

Most participants in this group appear to be users of GIS.  
- What sorts of things  would you like your Info. Sys. Department managers
to know about?
- Where do you think GIS can be used within the Business World as opposed
to the "Government",  Facilites  Management area?

E. G. Todd
Department of Information Systems
School of Mathematics and Information Sciences
Massey University
New Zealand
(email: E.Todd@massey.ac.nz)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
Subject: Earth System Monitor
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:53:49 GMT

It has come to my attention that NOAA's Environmental Information
Services office publishes a quarterly bulletin called the EARTH
SYSTEM MONITOR. This reports on NOAA programs related to environmental
data and information management.

Sample copies or subscriptions from:

     services@nodc2.nodc.noaa.gov
-- 
Duane F. Marble			       E-mail: dmarble@magnus.acs.osu.edu
Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
The Ohio State University
Columbus, Ohio 43210                   Fax: (614) 292-6213
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:14:41 +0000
From:         John Martinson <marty@EQUINOX.UNR.EDU>
Subject:      nomail

set gis-l nomail
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
P1-Message-Id: DE*DBP*JURIS;JURIS192921218083531-B3M
X400-Trace:   DE*DBP*JURIS; arrival Fri, 18 Dec 92 08:35+0000 action Relayed
X400-Trace:   DE*DbP*GmD; arrival Fri, 18 Dec 92 07:35+0000 action Relayed
X400-Trace:   de*dbp*GMD; arrival Fri, 18 Dec 92 08:35+0100 action Relayed
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:40:01 -0500
From:         hoffmann@JURANET.JURIS.DBP.DE
Subject:      RE: GIS course for Info Sys Students

I suggest you to get in contact with students (informaticians) from
<Institute of Information Systems> at TUD. They have also GIS lectures and
seminars, but I am not aware about the course content at their Faculty of
Informatics.
Use email: flemming@infoserv1.informatik.tu-dresden.dbp.de
       or:   kausch@freia.informatik.tu-dresden.de
I've directed them to GRASS for methodological studies.

Frank Hoffmann, TUD
---
(just on <juranet> in spite of mailserver crash at tud since 2 days...)
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Organization: University at Buffalo
X-Envelope-to: gis-l@ubvm.bitnet
X-VMS-To: IN%"gis-l@ubvm.bitnet"
X-VMS-Cc: GLLGUAN
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:22:49 -0500
From:         WEIHE GUAN <GLLGUAN@UBVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: running INFO from menu interface

It would be very nice if ARc/INFO 6.2 can enhance the [forms] or [cursor]
functions. The key issue is to make [arcedit:forms], [arc:cursor] or
[arcedit:cursor] to display a whole page of selected info records,
instead of one record at a time. The updating option shall be applied
to the whole seleted set, instead of the "current record" only.

For example, I want to select 100 points in a 1000-point coverage, and
change their "code" item in the pat file to be half of what it was
for each of the point; then select another 100 points, and change
their "code" item into 1/10 of the old values.

Such an operation can be done in INFO by [select] and [calc], but I won't
be able to see the selected points graphically in the coverage.
Yet if I do it from ARCEDIT, using [forms] or [cursor], I can only change
the record of one point at a time, which is not feasible in this case
for obvious reasons.

Moveover, I need to have the whole process menu driven, which I can do
only through [forms] or [cursor], but not through INFO (even if I would
give up the idea of seeing the selected points graphically).

I hope I have explained the problem reasonablly clear this time.
Sorry if I made anybody on the list confused or offended (in term of
not being able to utilize their advices to solve my problem so far).

Thank again for your attention and all the kind helps.

- Weihe Guan
SUNY at Buffalo
gllguan@ubvms

-------------
>If it is any consolation I will be submitting
>your problem as an enhancement request
>for the 6.2 release planned next year.
>
>David Pullar
>Software Development, ESRI.
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Envelope-to: GIS-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu
X-VMS-To: IN%"GIS-L@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu"
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:52:00 -0700
From:         LECRXP@VEGAS1.LAS.EPA.GOV
Subject:      Re: Windows NT (a bit of Yuletide Linguistic Trivia)

If you visualize the alphabet on a line
Reading left to right
Its one behind
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:14:30 +1100
From:         wood@POSTOFFICE.UTAS.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: running idrisi on a network..

>
>I would appreciate hearing from those of you who are running idrisi from a
>network file server, especially if you are using Novell Netware:
>
>        what problems did you have to overcome to operate the package
>successfully on individual terminals?  what solutions were employed..?
>
>        to what extent can local hard disks be sacrificed (to minimise
>management problems in a teaching environment) and all storage be centred
on
>the NFS......?
>
>        any tips that would be useful to a novice network manager..??
>
>thanks in anticipation!
>
>
>
>Richard Morgan              email:  geog04@otago.ac.nz
>
>Dept. Geography
>University of Otago
>Dunedin
>New Zealand
>
We run Idrisi for undergrad pracs on 10 PCs (5 486s and 5 286s). All the
files are held on a Unix box and are called up as needed through PCNFS.  I
don't understand the detail but what it boils down to is this. For each
exercise we have a code name.  When the student enters the code name, the
files necessary for that exercise are downloaded onto the machine being
used by the student. At the end of the exercise, a message appears on the
screen which asks if any particular files are to be saved. Usually the
student has finished and none are saved. Then system seems to work well.
Whether it will work on Novell is another matter.Please give my regards to
Sean-I owe him a letter.


                                    Les Wood
                                    Department of Geography and Environmental
Studies
                                    University of Tasmania
                                    Box 252C GPO
                                    Hobart TASMANIA
                                    AUSTRALIA  7001

                                    Fax No : (002) 202989
                                    International Fax No : 61 02 202989
                                    Phone : (202) 202489
                                    Email : wood@postoffice.utas.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis