From: rached@blanc.eng.ohio-state.edu (rached)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Shaheed
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:00:31 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering

In article <92315.231733U38065@uicvm.uic.edu> Nasri <U38065@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
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>Maybe it IS an ISLAMIC term, but hey, maybe we do recognize some of your terms
>and borrow them, but we do NOT recognize that Mohammed ws a true prophet or
>that God has spoken to him, when you DO recongnize that Jesus was at least a pr
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 Nasri, the revelation was brought down to prophet Muhammad (peace be
 upon him) by Gabriel the Angel. It is Moses whom Allah talked to.

>ophet and that he rose from the death.  We may have borrowed a word, but at
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We do recognize that Jesus (Peace be upon him) is a prophet sent to Bani
Israiil but Muslims do not recognize that he rose from the dead. It is
very clear in the Quran that it was not Jesus who was crucified but his
enemies thought it was him. Furthermore in hadiths prophet Muhammad
explained that Allah raised Jesus and made somw other man look like him
and that man was crucified. Jesus, in Muslim's beleif, did not die and
will Inshallah come back to lead the beleivers, he will break the cross
and kill the pig. As to what that means I can return to the books which
explain this if somebody is interested.

>least we did not borrow a religion. ie. Mohammad believed in Jesus, not vice
>versa.
>_According to the christian faith there were to be NO prophets after Jesus Chri
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Can you substantiate that claim by proofs from the bible ? I never
heared that Jesus said (or was beleived to have said) that he was the
last prophet of Allah. Even Jews do not have this in their scriptures
and they are still expecting the messaiah.

>st and therefore, Mohammad was not a prophet.  And the Islamic religion is base
>d on the Judeo-christian religion.

Actually, in the Quran it is said that the religion for Allah is Islam.
Islam is also defined in the Quran as the religion of ALL the prophets.
We beleive that Noah, Adam, Ibrahim and all other prophets including
Jesus and Moses were Muslims in the sense that they submitted to their
creator and worshiped him alone. Thus the followers of those prophets
are also Muslims in that sense. 
We also beleive that after those prophets their people made changes to
their books and to their religion and that's why other prophets were
sent. Allah told us also that Prophet Muhammad is the last prophet and
thus He guaranteed that the Quran (the last revelation from Allah to
humans and Jin) will not be changed and will be protected by Him. So to
say that the Isalmic religion is based on Judeo-christian religion is
not exact. They all come from the same source eventhough judaic and
christian religions were chenged and are not purely as they were
anymore.
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>I did not write this to offend anyone, but I just wanted to show everyone, that
> if one person goes to the extremes, the other will be able to.  We do not want
> anybosy to be hurt.

Many times ElieW told us that two wrongs do not make a right, I guess I
will requote him. 
>
>Sorry if I offended anyone, but the points that I brought about the Christian
>vs Islamic religion, were brought from a very fundamentalist point.  I was
>being the devil's advocate.

I know and I only responded to clarify some points about Muslims and
Islam for your benefit as well as other readers of this net.

rached
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