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From: kyw9538@zeus.tamu.edu (WAI, KANE Y)
Subject: DC-Talk concert review request.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:55:00 GMT

Hello Music Lovers...especially DC-Talk fans....I and a group of three others
are thinking about having DC-Talk to perform at our school.  We've started
talking to their agents and everything....now I need some inputs on how their
concerts were in the past, so please post any responses you have or e-mail
me at kyw9538@zeus.tamu.edu    Thanx!!

Kane
From: petson@adonis.ias.msk.su
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Help to connect with HQ Harmonie Festival'93 (Limburg, Germany) via Email
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:37:06 GMT
Reply-To: petson@adonis.ias.msk.su
Organization: unknown

Message_Id: <adn_3911_0_>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:36:04 MSK
From: petson@adonis.ias.msk.su
To:   newsserv@newcom.kiae.su
Subject: Help to connect with HQ Harmonie Festival'93

     Hi everybody!
     Our Belarussian  Academy  of  Sciences  Choir have sent the
application and the other  documents  for  Harmonie  Festival'93
(Limburg, Germany).  The  ordinary  post  offices of former USSR
work unreliable now.  Therefore I ask for help in connection via
Email with  HQ  Harmonie  Festival'93.  We  would  like  to know
weather our Choir is included in this Festival competitions.  We
have its  post  address  in  Germany  only  now:  MGV  "Harmonie
Festival"  D-6250 Limburg 8. Shall be grateful for any help.

     Eugene Petson.
                  Administrator.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: tef@sei.cmu.edu (Tracey Fox)
Subject: Re: Bob Dylan's "Slow Train Coming"
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:56:21 GMT



|> This hardly seems like the fruits that would be borne by one who makes
|> music that "comes from the pit of hell."  If you feel the need to 
|> judge him, then at least follow a biblical example and judge him by his 
|> fruits.  Slander is unbecoming of Christians.  Wild, unsubstantiated 
|> claims about Christians making music from "the pit of hell" sounds a lot 
|> like slander to me, and I'd respectfully suggest that you cut the crap.
|> 
|> Andy Whitman
|> AT&t Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
|> att!cblpn!ajw  or
|> ajw@cblpn.att.com


My statement would not be considered slanderous, just my opinion.  He's a
public figure and is subject to criticism just like any one else.  As for
Biblical examples, I should say I don't really have one, but I wonder if Jesus
received the same reactions from the religious of his day when he told the
scribes and Pharisees that their father was the devil.

But you're right, I shall cut the crap (as you say) and let Jesus judge the
hearts of men.  


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mooras@crockett1b.its.rpi.edu (Steve 'War Axe' Mooradian)
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Reply-To: mooras@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:56:49 GMT

	A Christian said these words:


> there is nothing inherently evil about Metallica. yes, they are not 
> Christians. they -are- talented artists. if it were me, i wouldn't worry
> too much. however, it's not me, so i'll give you ideas that might work
> a little better.

    If this person had ever read some of Metallica's lyrics then maybe they could give some valuable insight as opposed to random, mindless line noise.

<<<STEVE>>>
MORNING STAR - lead guitarist
Revelations 22:16

ps- granted I think some of Metallica's newer stuff is really cool, but that is because I'm a musician and can appreciate some of the aspects of the music others don't (And I'm sure I can get backing on this). Plus, I can learn a Metallica song and never need to hear their version again, I just play it too myself ansd don't have to listen to their lyrics.

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: isc30366@nusunix1.nus.sg (HO TUCK CHIUN)
Subject: Re: What do you do when....
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:13:22 GMT

jason 'Think!' steiner (jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu) wrote:
: markc@eomer.hw.stratus.com (Mark Christensen) writes:
: > [lots deleted, the main points follow below.]
: > Most Christian rock music, takes the music part (melody, 
: > instrumentation, etc) and look (how the performers dress, act on 
: > stage, etc) from this worldly rock and changes the lyrics, hoping 
: > to appeal to all those who want what the world offers but with a 
: > different message.
: this statement is false. not all performers have the same motives, and
: it is impossible for you to rightly make generalizations about performers
: who happen to fall under the "Christian" label.

   I have to agree with Jason on this.  If I argue based on your
(Mark's) arguement, then my church's praise and worship team are also
some "secular" rock group, since they use the same instruments (drums,
guitars, synths, etc) and play similar chords

   I have always and will always have a problem with the arguementt that
if the music sounds "like" something of the world, it's bad.  I've not
come across "Christian" instruments or "Christian" chords.  A guitar
sounds like a guitar, I've never come across one that sounds "Christian"
and one that sounds "worldly".  If there is such an instrument, I'd like
to get my hands on it, since my Yamaha SY77 (Synth) sounds exactly lie
the one that the keyboardist in Toto uses...  Can't have any of my
instrumental pieces sounding like Toto's, can I?  8)

: > When non-believers look at these "conforming" Christians, they 
: > don't really see any difference.
: another false premise.

   Hmmm, definately another false premise..  I have a copy of a review
of Jyradelix (sp??) done by an atheist and he liked it a lot, even
though the Christian content was very blatant.  I'd be pleased to post
it up if anyone's interested.

: jason 'Ah only drink milk from a Christian cow!' steiner

   Apologies to you Jason, for having to quote you since I'm unable to
locate a copy of the orginal posting. 8)


Rodney Ho

hotuckch@iscs.nus.sg
isc30366@nusunix1.nus.sg
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mdk34398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Beaker)
Subject: Re: cornerston reminicing
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:20:20 GMT
Keywords: c stone


Just got the 20th Anniversary Issue of C-stone 'zine.
Tickets for C-stone '93 are now available.
I will post more info when I have the 'zine in front of me.

cstone '92 in one word:
M U D

The Beak
beaker@uiuc.edu
As a dog returns to his vomit, so do Chrisitan rockers to Bushnell.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: fsdlb1@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Greetings 'n stuff
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:40:35 GMT

To use the somewhat famous programmer's line... "Hello Wild and Wacky CCM
World!"  This is the first time that I have posted to a newsgroup so please
allow me to intro m'self.  I was the token rock DJ for KUWL up here in
Fairbanks until Pastor fired me over playing Dissolved by Circle of Dust.  I
guess I wouldn't be so upset about it if we weren't playing upwards of 20hrs of
P&W stuff every weekend.  Why is it that when there is an equally small
minority of P&W addicts as there are rockers that churches always bow and
scrape to P&W?? Maybe its because they have all the money.  (sigh)  It's not
that Im bitter (mostly), just frustrated.  
Anyway, as far as the debate on King's X, Extreme, etc. ...  I beleive that you
have to look at the band as a whole.  NOT just the lyrics or the style.  King's
X, Rez, Maggie B. :-) , etc. have shown that they are genuinely concerned about
the people they are singing to.  Does Extreme have any ties to a local church?
Do they spend any time with youth either before or after concerts?  As Paul
wrote "Faith without works is dead."  If a band is not living in a manner that
at least TRIES to follow after God, then what buisness do we have promoteing
them?  Anyone can write 'spiritual' lyrics.  This is why I refuse to endorse U2
 even though I own some of their older albums.  
Sorry this is such a lengthy post.  I just needed to get some stuff off of my
chest.  TTFN

ps.  Under Midnight is a new group.  The CD is self titled & Wonderland is the
name of their record label.     

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Re: Mentioning "God" on the radio
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:33:44 GMT

In article <1er6muINNica@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> comm117@unixg.ubc.ca (Chin) writes:
>Just a couple of things on my mind from a newcomer to this group...
>
>(1) How many of you wish that some of the crossover artists (Amy Grant,
>    Michael W. Smith) would release a single from their CDs that
>    would explicitly mention God or Jesus?  Some may say that since
>    they are now on secular radio, they shouldn't release a song that
>    mentions God or Jesus, but should that be the case?  I was really
>    hoping that Amy would release the song "Ask Me" from her "Heart in
>    Motion" CD since it addressed the issue of God and Suffering,
>    something that a lot of non Christians ask.  After all, MC Hammer
>    (OK, he now wants to be called just plain "Hammer") released "Pray",
>    which got a lot of airplay, at least where I live (Vancouver) a year
>    ago.  Also, Van Morrison released the song "Whenever God Shines His
>    Light" which was quite blatant in mentioning God and Jesus.  What
>    do you netters think about this?

I think it's a damned if you do and damned if you don't kind of situation.
People like Amy and Mikey get dumped on in some quarters for "watering
down" their Christian message.  But when people like Bob Dylan or
Van Morrison sing blatantly about God and Jesus on secular radio they 
get accused of being hypocrites by the non-Christians and of making
music "from the pit of hell" by some Christians.  

What do *I* think?  I think people in general like to find fault with
other people.  A certain biblical saying about logs and specks comes
to mind, but I'd better not bring it up for fear of being judged as  
judgemental.

>(4) Is Van Morrison a Christian?  I know his songs are very spiritual,
>    but is he a Christian?  Just curious about this.

He says he is.  His lyrics sure make him sound like he is.  

Van was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, rejected that for hedonism,
rejected that for eastern mysticism, rejected that for Scientology,
and rejected that for Christianity.  His philosophical journey, as
recounted in his music, is a fascinating one.  His last three albums - 
"Avalon Sunset," "Enlightenment," and "Hymns to the Silence," are pretty 
obviously Christian in their lyrical content, and contain traditional 
hymns and lots of songs that specifically mention God and Jesus.  It's 
wonderful music.  

Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
att!cblpn!ajw  or
ajw@cblpn.att.com
From: dld30@QUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Dave Dooley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: HELP! Looking for artists who have done the song "Holy Nation"
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:35:39 GMT
Reply-To: dld30@QUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Dave Dooley)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


HELP!

I'm supposed to play the song "Holy Nation" with our church choir this
Wednesday night (11/25) and I've never heard it. It's on a Karla Worley
album which I think is out of print and nobody at the church has a copy
of. Does anyone know of any other artist who's done this tune on a
recent album that I could pick up?
Please respond via email to make sure I see your response in time.
Thanks.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: dharker@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (David Harker)
Subject: Re: pray for rain...
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:31:15 GMT
Reply-To: dharker@vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester


David, 

Well, I agree with Mr. Pearson, and somewhat with you.  The CD 'Pray for Rain'
has much more of a 'pop' sound than the band does live.  I saw them 2 weeks ago,
and it was just guitar, bass, and drums, and it was hard rock.  They ROCKED.
They jam incredibly well.  Do not judge this group by their album - I think the
'edge' was taken off, for sake of greater popular acceptance (no pun intended!).

See them live.


In article <1e13gkINN2f7@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, fischedj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) writes:
|> In article <1dujjuINNqsm@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>  
|> pearsodc@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
|> > the rest of the album is outstanding as well.  interesting sonic effects all
|> > over the place...check out the intro to "home again" when you pick up the
|> > disc...stand by for ludicrous speed...
|> > 
|> > note i said "when you pick up the disc," not "if you pick up the disc."  it's
|> > that good.  you ought to like it no matter your tastes.  (unless, of course,
|> > you're into thrash or classical...in which case it'll be way too mellow or  
|> way
|> > too harsh, respectively...)
|> > 
|> > clueless chuck
|> > pearsodc@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu
|> > "do you think this is a bogus idea?"
|> 
|> 	Well, Mr. Pearson, I will respectrifuly disagree with your opinion. I  
|> would say that unless you like pop (or perhaps) techno-pop music, you won't  
|> like this album. One complaint, is that the music is too repetitive. While it  
|> was interesting, it's definately not worth $15 (or whatever CD's cost retail  
|> nowadays...I shop CD clubs and get stuff for free =:>) ). Now, if someone gave  
|> it to me for a present, I would not throw it out the window. But, in all, I  
|> thought it was mediocre pop stuff, with a few fun songs. But, that is merely my  
|> opinion.
|> --
|> David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
|> "Don't ever put your brain on a runaway train 'cause it won't be coming back!" 
|> - Mad At The World.


Dave Harker

IBM - Rochester, MN
AS/400 Order Process Software Development

Internet:   dharker@vnet.ibm.com

(507) 286-4565

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Phil.Powell@launchpad.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: Veni Domine
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:18:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.044852.21341@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> savatage@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Brent Bowman) writes:
>In article <19306@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> cs40f003@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Nov12.023030.16075@samba.oit.unc.edu> Phil.Powell@launchpad.unc.edu (Phil Powell) writes:
>>>
>>>I didn't get the chance to hear Veni Domine yet (they're on the same label
>>>as Living Sacrifice - R.E.X. Records) but I hear from others that they're
>>>along the lines of Seventh Angel and Detritus...
>>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^     ^^^^^^^^
>>
>>Never heard any stuff by Seventh Angel, but I do have Detritus' cd.  They
>>sound nothing like Veni Domine.  Veni Domine is a very talented band, while
>>Detritus sounds like they need to go back to their garage and practice some
>>more.  Also, I would categorize Veni Domine as a progressive metal band;
>>Detritus is more in the speed/thrash category (and from what I hear, so is
>>Seventh Angel).  
>
>	How many albums are out by Veni Domine? I called my local
>	christian bookstore, and they said they could order for me:
>
>	Veni Domine - Fall Babylon Fall
>
>	Do they have any others?
>
>		I would like to know more about them...
>
>				-- Brent
>
>	savatage@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Brent Bowman)


Nope, just "Fall Babylon Fall" on REX.. their debut (and better be the
first of MANY!!)

Phil

MAJOR Veni Domine fanATIC!

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From: urmvance@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: 77's new album
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:02:40 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <uscream.722237256@mcl>, uscream@mcl.ucsb.edu (Screamin' Diane d.) writes:
> Ok, kids, its time to stir the waters of controversy.  What do ya'll think of
> the new 77's album.  I'm talking lyrically, musically, the cover--everything.
> Dissappointed, glad, sad, frusdtrated, praying that they'll get saved???
> Wondering if they cover is indicative of their having joined a thrill-kill
> cult?  Wondering of Roe has become a guru??  Tell me, tell me.  I will
> express no opinion until I have given others a chance to.  I already know
> what I think.  I don't want to get flamed for it.  Might be fun to have all of
> you guessing though...  What do ya'll think about the group wanting to call
> the album Pray Naked and not being allowed to by BAI or Word??  The waters
> of controversy...

OK. I'll bite. My extremely most definitely fave song on the album is _Woody_.
My gosh, that is a phenomenal song. Incredible. I also really, really, really
like _Self_Made_Trap_, if only because they came up with a new use for that
tired old electronic drum sound. _Pray_Naked_ is also good, very exciting, very
lively, spright, yeah, its a very spright song. The mellow half of the tape is
good, but I think I like the rockin half better. Did I mention _Nuts_For_You_?
Great, great, great.

Please. Don't. Don't get me started on Word makin em change the name of the
tape, AND putting a black line where Pray Naked should be on the outside of the
insert, AND putting a white line, line, no, bar, a white bar where Pray Naked
should be on the tape. I mean, that's just sad. Weak. I don't really think BAI
was a part of that decision, cuz that's Gene Eugene at the top, and surely he
would understand the title. I wish I could cowtow. Zoiks.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: dharker@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (David Harker)
Subject: Re: Music is a TOOL (was Re: What to do when your....)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:47:56 GMT
Reply-To: dharker@vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester


In article <1992Nov16.163607.6112@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, sbradley@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott B Bradley) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov13.221321.7204@cs.wisc.edu> russn@ssec.wisc.edu (Russ Neumeier) writes:
|> >Well, like Dave Harker pointed out in a previous posting, music, among many, MANY 
|> >other things is a tool.  It can (and is) used for good and used for evil.  It all
|> >comes down to how a person or group uses music... Pray for Rain most assuredly
|> >uses this tool for the glory of God. 
|> >
|> >Russ Neumeier
|> >SSEC, UW-Madison
|> >Madison, WI -- sixty-two square miles surrounded by reality
|> 
|>    Allow me to mourn this sad day of sudden realization.  I just discovered
|> that I'm not an artist, but a handyman.  And on my birthday too.
|> 
|>   
|> -- 
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Scott Bradley              
|> sbradley@en.ecn.purdue.edu 

Russ, well, your quote of my earlier post is basically accurate, but I don't
recall actually using the word 'tool'.   

Scott, if I did, I was not reducing music to a tool, 
but saying it is often _used_ as one, for both good and bad purposes.
I play guitar and piano, and sing, and definately agree that these 
are purely artistic activities.


Dave Harker

IBM - Rochester, MN
AS/400 Order Process Software Development

Internet:   dharker@vnet.ibm.com

(507) 286-4565
From: rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu (Richard M. Bennema)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Album Review - Bride
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:26:24 GMT
Organization: Wheaton College, IL

I've had pretty good luck lately in picking out new CD's and I have decided to
share one of my findings with this group...


Bride, "Snakes in the Playground"
WARNING:  This album is not for the musically or lyrically squeamish!  To those
who haven't heard of Bride, they do not play wedding music as you might be able
to infer from the title of their newest album.  They play heavy metal, and boy
do they play it.
Bride is one of the older Christian heavy metal groups, but don't dig too
deeply into their past because, well frankly, they stunk.  On the "Best of
Bride" album (rather a contradiction in terms), they hit upon something with
the song "Everybody knows my name."  They also put this song on their next
album "Kinectic Faith" which was a big hit.  Many wondered how Bride would be
able to repeat this success of sound and godly message.
But anyone who has heard "Snakes in the Playground" has stopped wondering.
Don't ask me how they were able to improve, they just did.  They have a lot of
fun on this album.  There are 11 songs, but 3 extra tracks on the CD where the
band is goofing around.  This stuff can compete with the best (or worst
depending on your view) that's in the world today.  The lyrics are very
convicting of living a complacent Christian lifestyle.  This is best illustrated
by the title of the second song on the album, "Would you die for me?"
I've always heard two justifications for continuing to listen to secular music.
One, secular artists play much better music.  Two, secular artists deal with
real world issues.  Sorry, but with the release of "Snakes in the Playground"
it's time that the world slither up some new excuses.


					Richard M. Bennema

--
rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu
Richard M. Bennema		"The brain can be seen as a complex machine,
Computer Science/Math		 like a gooey computer."
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor)
Subject: Re: I Still Believe (Russ Taff's version)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:11:49 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Tim R Witort (trw@spl1.spl.loral.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Nov16.161540.23160@olaf.wellesley.edu>, kwolters@fred.wellesley.edu (Keith Wolters) writes:
: |> Hi,
: |> 
: |> I am a big fan of The Call and when I heard that Russ Taff had done a
: |> cover of their song "I Still Believe" I was interested in hearing it.
: |> I have not yet heard it although I recently purchased another of Russ
: |> Taff's CDs and really enjoy it.  Is there anyone who has heard both
: |> versions of "I Still Believe" (and the version from the soundtrack of
: |> "The Lost Boys" movie for that matter) and can comment on which they
: |> like best?
: 
:    I've heard The Call's rendition and Russ Taff's. I prefer
: Russ' version because his voice seems to match the song better
: and the instrumentation he used had a little more of an edge
: that I thought the song needed.
:    BTW Russ sings the song on his self-titled album "Russ Taff."
: It is, IMHO, his best album by FAR... GET IT!!!!

Thanks - you saved me from typing in the exact same words.
: 
: -- Tim

Bob