From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Date: 3 Jan 93 10:53:41 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1993Jan3.023004.4323@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:
> In article <1992Dec31.165825.759@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Dec31.063627.18077@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:
>>> In article <1992Dec29.225755.726@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>>>>
>>>>Ha ha ha! I bet Sven would approve wholehartedly if some Iraqi court were to
>>>>pass sentence on an Iraqi that moved here, but had not yet legally become a
>>>>U.S. citizen. According to Sven, they would still be under Iraqi law for the
>>>>two years it takes to become a U.S. citizen.
>>>>
>>> Three years of law school and you don't know how long it takes to become a US
>>> citizen? Shame on you!
>>> 
>>> 	Sven
>>> 	(who would be a US citizen if dmc's claims were right)
>>> 
>>> 
>>
>>Two years if you marry someone.
> 
> Three. You failed again. See you next year (i.e. 1994).

Well, Sven, if it takes three years, it takes three years. Looks like
my friend who married a girl from germany is in for a big surprise as the
immiggration officals told them the wrong time period.

Guess they should have had you working in the office.

Further--even if I am wrong as to how long it takes an foreigner to become a US
citizen--BFD. I have never had a class in immigration law, nor will I ever. I
don't plan on practicing immigration law, as I want to keep the trash out of
America, not help it get in.

> 
>>What about it Sven--should an Iraqi be under the laws of Iraq while he or she
>>is waiting to become a US citizen?
> 
> Yes. He'd better not go back to Iraq, but he has all the rights (if there are
> any) and duties that come with Iraqi citizenship.

So, an Iraqi citizen, who comes to the US should obey all Iraqi laws, including
those which prohibit trading with America. He should panhandle and not buy
anything. Should live on the street. Because if he does have a change of heart
and want to return, either to live or visit a relative, he SHOULD BE subject to
an Iraqi court for his crimes against the people of Iraq while in the U.S.

Makes real good sense Sven. Real humanistic approach to the law.

Good, bad, or indifferent, the law is the law.

Go watch Les Miserables.

> 
> And how come you don't think the U.S. should respect the Iraqi law in this
> case? That would be consistent with your views expressed so far. 

No Sven, don't try and pin such an absurd belief upon me. It is YOU who think
a country can extend its whims all over the globe. I believe American Law does
NOT extend to Yugoland anymore than Iraqi law extends to beautiful Southern
California.

Gee Sven, since you chose the absurd answer previously (Iraqi law should
control the Iraqis in the U.S.) lets take it even more extreme...

Suppose you have a Monggolian national who has just come to the U.S. Mongolian
law permits a husband to beat his wife--even to the death. He beats his
wife to the death while here in the U.S., but while he is still a Monglolian
citizen. Should our courts give difference to the fact he is a Mongolian
citizen???

(Ed. note to Everyone else: These cases are happening in the California courts,
and the husbands either get murder or reckless homocide, as the laws of the US
and california are the only laws which apply in California. But, let's see how
backwardss Sven can reason this one!)



> 
>>Please Sven, enlighten us with your answer.
> 
> Dmc, you may or may not answer. I don't care. This is my last posting in this
> thread.

Welll, maybe if you would think before you typed you wouldn't be in such a
bitter state.

> 
> 	Sven