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From: hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: East Asian Ethics (was Re: Chinatown unsafe?)
Keywords: Asian
Date: 12 Apr 92 09:29:36 GMT
Organization: Columbia University

ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch  writes:
>hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu  writes...
>>
>>In my opinion, all East Asian Countries have similar culture.  The ethics,
>>which governs peoples' behavior, are the same in China, Korea, Japan, and
>>Vietnam.  Confucianism and Buddhism are the major or dominant 
>>philosophy/religion concerning ethics in the area.  The only competition
>>of any significance is Shintoism in Japan.
>
>given on this topic of whether one single East Asian culture exists.
>What are the results?  There weren't many responses on s.c.a.a. but
>perhaps you saw the ones on s.c.c, s.c.k, s.c.j, and s.c.v?

	Still have 2 more weeks, but not enough response to reach any
satisfying conclution.  What I want is to represent the opinions of all
groups, so that nobody will feel being insulted.  I learned from exprence
that the best way to get response is to sound insulting (like underdog).
	Very strange thing that netters on asian .culture groups are not
very vocal on culture.  Well, most if not all of them are not in HUMANTIES.

>>The common ethical ideals that I can think of now are:
>>1. family solidarity; family (society) above self.
>>2. awe and respect for antiquity; ancestor worship; observance of custom.
>>3. obedience of authority and elder.

>Basically Confucianism.  But each area is affected by varying degrees.

	Can u think of any that are not Confucianist?

>>For this reason, East Asians are more considerate than American and Europeans.
>Whoa... step back a bit.  I have heard arguments of this nature from both

  People won't make a sound unless u step on their toes, accidentally.  :)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Subject: Multiculturalism (was Re: Oriental bias against Indians ? How true ?)
Organization: /u/mday/.organization
	<MDAY.92Apr9225325@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu>
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Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:17:48 GMT

   chrchan@ocf.berkeley.edu (Christopher S. Chan) writes:

   I guess I wasn't advocating racial
   purity as much as I was trying to encourage people to recognize
   and reclaim their heritages, even whites, who I think should try
   to embrace their European backgrounds.  I think it would
   add a great deal to this country.  

Since we are a glorious nation of mongrels, what heritage can people
"reclaim" who are Spanish/Italian/Scotch/German, or some similar
mixture?  Even if one "reclaims" all of them, the resulting complex of
customs, food, and beliefs would be unrecognizable to any of the
"parent" cultures.

   Still, I believe that when
   people of different cultures marry, there'll certainly be
   conflicts.  Someone's culture has got to give, and I think this
   is a bad thing.  

The artful blending of the partners' cultures is a challenge even when
they are not "obviously" different.  You'd be amazed at how many
conflicts arise from things like opening presents on Christmas Eve vs,
opening presents on Christmas Day.  At least when there's a marriage
between cultures, the partners know in advance that there will be such
conflicts, and are prepared for them; there's often more trouble when
you expect the person to be "just like" you, and are surprised to find
out all the stupid (in your opinion) things that they do or believe.

It's much too simple-minded to talk about "someone's culture going".
A man I know converted to Christianity years ago to marry his
(Christian) wife, but he didn't give up all Buddhist customs: the
children grew up knowing Buddhist rituals and Christian rituals.

I suspect that you are not married; otherwise, you would probably
realize that cultural choices for married couples can be more subtle
and complex than your description.

--Mark
From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Engineers (was Re: Asian Immigrants on SAT English)
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:43:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <1992Apr16.173727.17615@rice.edu> kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:
->In article <MDAY.92Apr16103834@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu> mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
->>   kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:
->>   > tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
->>   >Just because you don't score say 500 on SAT English does not mean you can't
->>   >be successful in college.  It doesn't mean you can't be a good engineer
->>   >either.
->>
->>   Of course not.  Just as you can be a good engineer despite lacking
->>   communication skills.  But gaining those skills can make you an even better
->>   one.  
->>
->>Do people really think this is true?
->>
->>A lot depends on what we mean by a "good" engineer.  Sometimes people
->>think that a good engineer is someone who, working alone, gets the
->>right answer to a problem.  Unfortunately, for real engineers this
->>skill is much less important than understanding an ill-formed problem,
->>solving a problem with a team of other people, and convincing others
->>to accept the solution.

Well, I don't think it's up to you to define "real" engineers.  IMO,
As long as an employer finds an engineer is worth what he's paying for,
he must be a "real" engineer.

_>>None of those is possible without
->>communication skills.

And we are not talking about totally lacking communication skills here.
Does scoring low on SAT English translates to lacking communication skills?

->>
->>So I don't believe what either of the above people agreed on: that you
->>can be a good engineer despite lacking communication skills.  You can
->>succeed in engineering school despite poor communication skills, but
->>that's a different matter.
->
->You've got a point here--one that I suspect, but, not having much experience
->in these conditions, can't assert.  (I try not to make statements *too* much
->out of thin air :-)

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jvl45017@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (AstralWolf )
Subject: Mahjong...
Summary: Need help on scoring Mahjong
Keywords: mahjong
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 14:52:03 GMT


     Hello, and sorry if this isn't the right place to ask, but I couldn't
think of somewhere else to post this...
     Anyway, several of my friends and I play Mahjong (no not Taipei 8)
and have had several people tell us about the various ways people score
points.  But it seems everyone has their own rules for scoring.  Well, 
I was just wondering if someone out there could send me mail with 
a scoring system for Mahjong.  It would be greatly appreciated. 
Well, thanx in advance....


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From: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: English Only Movement
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:35:16 GMT
Organization: Columbia University

achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
>stewartk@garnet.berkeley.edu (Stewart J. Kong) writes:
>|> I'm interested in what Asians think of the English Only Movement.  My
>|> feeling is that the real reason for this movement is economic.The founding
>|> fathers of America intentionally chose NOT to have a national language so 
>|> that 200 years later, this movement becomes a dispute.  What I'm saying is 
>|> I think it's motivated by the legislature,not for nationalistic reasons,
>|> but to eliminate non-English or limited English speaking people from 
>|> entering the work force. In this sense, because this mostly affects i
>|> mmigrants of color, it is a racist policy.  Do you disagree or what?

	Did somebody just made up the term "English Only Movement"?  Just
wondering.  Any way, it's definitely not popular, u got to define it.
	I only remember that there was a referendum or something to determine 
the national language.  German nearly became the national language insted of 
English.   Correct me if I'm wrong.  :)
	I have no basis to judge if it's racist.  But ur speculation of
the intent surely make our legistors unbelievely stupid to think of such 
method of eliminating non-Anglos.
	If u're interested in racist US policies before WWII, look at the 
Chinese Exclusion Act (of 186_?) and the deal between Tokyo and DC to 
curtail Japanese immigrants.

harry/kb2lha	--just some thoughts.
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From: daj@reef.cis.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Asian Immigrants on SAT English
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:01:37 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <56838@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:

Sheesh!  My kill file screwed up and let one of your postings through.
I'll have to see to that.  But since I was forced to read this drivel,
I may as well comment on it.

# There was a test composed entirely of black slang called the black
# intelligencd test (Arthur Jensen, Straight Talk about Mental
# Testing)

I have often wondered whether you were as much a racist as you seem or
simply ignorant.  This reference clears up any doubt.  Arthur Jensen
is one of the two or three academics in the world that actually
believes that blacks are significantly less intelligent than whites
because of genetic factors.  In fact, I believe Jensen claimed that
blacks' genetic deficiencies account for 15 IQ points -- one whole
standard deviation.

So if you buy Jensen's line, there's not much point in talking about
schooling, environment, etc.  Blacks are simply destined to be
janitors for their superiors.

On the other hand, if you can stand a little enlightenment in your
life, you could read Stephen Jay Gould's _The Mismeasure of Man_,
which slices Jensen into itty-bitty pieces.  You'd probably like
the book, since it talks about numbers a lot.

# However, the difference was easily demonstrated to be due entirely
# to a huge amount of cultural bias among words never used by whites,
# whereas it was easily demonstrated the white kids had overall
# vocubularies about double that of the black children.

When whites do worse on a test designed for blacks, it's because they
can't be expected to know those "black" words, but if blacks do worse
it's because they don't know enough words overall?  Give me a fucking
break.

Also, as far as I know, there is no way to determine the size of
someone's vocabulary.  The obvious way would be to set up some sort of
sampling technique, but then you'd have to have a fairly complete list
of all the words used in the individual's environment throughout his
life.  No dictionary even pretends to include all the slang,
occupational jargon, etc., that any individual might know.
Furthermore, there is no way to decide what a word is -- for instance,
if a dictionary entry like "get" has 43 definitions, is each one a
separate word?  If a kid is bilingual, do you count the words in both
languages?

# I think the solution is to teach blacks and demand that they be
# held to the same high standards as whites/Asians and learn large
# vocabularies and lots of math skills. Any disagreement with this
# last solution?

I think you should go take a couple of courses in experimental design
in the hopes that you'll learn something about what all these numbers
you throw around are good for.  As it is, you sound just about as
impressive as some old lady insisting that the sun rises in the east
because she sees it with her own eyes.

David
From: achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Reclaiming our heritage (was: Oriental bias against Indians...)
Keywords: Considerate
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:34:03 GMT
Organization: Dept of Mathematics, Texas A&M University

In article <1992Apr13.012449.8660@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:
|> chin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin) writes:
|> >
|> >Right on!  Being so Americanized, we can only think of our immediate
|> >self-interests.  :-/
|> 
|> 	Right on!  U r the 1st one here to show that u hold the same belief
|> 	as I.  Yes.
|> 	Being Americanized = being less considerate.

Count me out.

Look, since you've shown yourself to be profoundly sarcasm- and humor-
impaired, please don't bother following up my posts.
-- 
Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-1924
                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *
From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Chinatown unsafe? (was Re: Will America fall?)
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:37:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <1992Apr9.191353.7775@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com writes:
->In article <122022@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
->In article <1992Apr8.005256.4868@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
->>>...
->>>apply to Chinese-Americans.  A visit to Chinatown should convince
->>>you.  (I've been told by a couple of Chinese to stay away from
->>>Chinatown, a very unsafe place--"thanks" to Chinese culture.)
->>
->>Yes.  I used to go to Chinatown and am hesitant to go there now.
->>There are many gang related incidents.
->
->Is this true?  Is Chinatown (SF) more unsafe than it was, say, five years ago?
->I'd like to know since I'll be visiting the BA this summer and I'd like to go
->to Chinatown if I can but I'd rather not get caught in the middle of a cross-
->fire.  [wry :-)]
->
->Thanks,
->
->Jim

Well, as a tourist it should be all right since you will probably be there
during day time only.  At night you will be taking your chances.  I saw a
shooting incident happening right in front of a theater as hundreds of
people are leaving the theater (ater midnight though).

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Subject: Re: Asian Immigrants on SAT English
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:40:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.160820.3084@intelhf.hf.intel.com> sguillo@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Stanford Guillory) writes:
><U49146@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>>In article <56838@cup.portal.com>, Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com says:
>>>
>>>So ... Asian immigrants suffer even though they're smart because they
>>>don't have english skills.
>
>Well gee, isn't that nice to know. Asian immigrants are smart. There
>is not a spectrum of intellectual ability among them like other 
>ethnic groups. Nope. They're just "smart". I guess Hu is not
>an immigrant.

Perhaps he meant, "Even an Asian immigrant who is smart suffers because
(s)he lacks English skills."  On the other hand, I see no smileys on
either of your posts, so I must conclude Arthur doesn't see the variance
in the population and you enjoy antagonizing people.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: adaniel@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Agus Daniel - EECS)
Subject: Re: University of Kansas (Lawrence)???
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 21:32:13 GMT


   GEEZZ.., can't you post to soc.college.gradinfo ????

   YOU HAVE Biiig..SIGNATURE
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: shay@osiris (George Shay)
Subject: Re: English Only Movement
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:02:58 GMT

I disagree. I do not see any 'racist' at all here. In order for the fair
trial, the non-english-speaking people have the rights to speak their own
language in the court and tax dollars are spend for hiring the
interpreters.  I do not want to see this in my office. It is a pure econimic
policy. You have got to have a common language to communicate.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Subject: Re: Oriental bias against Indians ? How true ?
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:37:21 GMT

In article <69988@ut-emx.uucp> vishram@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vishram P.Dalvi) writes:
>	This friend just asked me to FORGET THE GIRL. He told me that
>no Oriental girl will go for an Indian. They might go for Caucasians
>(no racial thoughts on MY part here) probably, but most of them are
>told by their parents (or atleast given the idea) that Indians are poor,
>ignorant, good-for-nothin peasants. 

In this country?!  Most of the Indians I know are far from poor, except for
graduate students (who are poor regardless of race :-).

>Also the families are very conservative
>(aren't most of us Asians !) and so the parents approve of their daughters 
>dating only other Orientals (This didn't surprise me much because a lot
>of Indian families here have the same mentality) and a lot of girls,
>respecting their parents, will abide by their wishes !

I'd say this is more true of males than females, but....

Have you asked *her* what her attitudes of dating people of other ethnic
groups are?  Even if it is true that most Oriental females will not date
Indian males (I'm not stating this fact as true, but I'm stacking the odds
against you for the purpose of argument.), you're not intending to ask
100,000 Oriental females for a date to see how many of them will say "yes";
you only intend to ask *one* (so far :-).  Of course she might refuse
regardless of your race or gender, but that's another issue.

Good luck and hope things work out.

!@#$%^&*()_++|!@#$%^&*()_++|!@#$%^&*()_++|!@#$%^&*()_++|!@#$%^&*()_++|!@#$%^&*(

The person I want to live my life with is the person to whom I can give the
From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Reporting of Hate Crimes (Was: Re: SF & LA)
Date: 17 Apr 92 04:29:40 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american

gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu) writes:
|     Some of my coworkers were walking through downtown Seattle and they
|encountered a bunch of skinheads beating the tar out of two black guys.
|Just then, multiple police cruisers rolled up, and broke things up.  The
|skinheads were chased off and the black guys sent off to the hospital.
|No questions, no arrests, no news stories, nada, nothing, zip, zero.
|And don't tell me the newsies didn't hear about it.  It's standard
|practice for the news media to monitor police radio frequencies for
|fast breaking stories.
|
|     I'd certainly hope such behavior (skinheads and police) couldn't
|happen here in the Bay Area.

Actually, what you described above is rather surprising -- racial
violence is a hot button that gets news media attached to a story
about violent crime.  Otherwise, we just hear stuff like "7 people
got killed last night in some city".
From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (I Shop because It's There)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Chinatown unsafe? (was Re: Will America fall?)
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:20:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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		upsi1@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Mathew Waywe Yee) :
		> Well, I went to Chinatown in SF about two weeks ago during 
		> my spring break. I don't seem to remember having to duck 
		> a hail of gunfire from a Mac-10 or Uzi. 

	gt6281b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Hicks) :
	> Too bad I can't say the same thing about downtown Atlanta at night!  
	> My school is near the projects and not a night goes by where there 
	> isn't shooting, police sirens, and ambulance sirens.  And when I 
	> was a freshman a couple friends of mine had to duck behind a wall 
	> 'cause some lunatic was spraying the area with bullets from his 
	> automatic.  No joke.
	> So personally, I'd much rather walk around Chinatown at night 
	> than Atlanta.

OHMIGOD! DWIGHT! DWIGHT! Does this mean it's the fault of a virulent
**American** culture??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

	Melinda

(I had to do it folks, couldn't help myself. Does anyone know how to
make an ascii sarcastic smiley face?)
From: gt6281b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Hicks)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: re Oriental bias against Indians ? How true ?
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:28:52 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr9.132755.17951@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu Ayala) writes:
>
>  My parents wouldn't be happy if I married someone just because they
>  were Chinese.  In fact they wouldn't be happy at all (neither would
>  I) if I dated a Chinese communist!


Uh oh Clare...I can just see the comments of a certain individual(tm) from
Stanford coming after he reads this.......AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                           


-John
From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (I'm a Stairmasters Junkie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: re Up and Coming Oriental-American Comedian
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:08:25 GMT
Reply-To: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (I'm a Stairmasters Junkie)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thedarktower.corp.sun.com


	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) :
	> Margaret Cho, a Korean-American, appeared on the Dennis Miller show.
	> She's the first Korean-American comedian who was actually funny.

Then you haven't seen Henry Cho, a Korean-American raised in Tennessee.

	Melinda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american