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From: kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: A compromise of my overzealousness
Keywords: I repent my sins, and offer a new suggestion
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:33:37 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

New and improved conceptualization:

For every model/system C= releases, they should offer at a slightly
significant price increase. (Fanfare please)

                 The Developer's Series

                 System: A_____
                 Processor: 680_0
                 RKM: 1._,2._,3._
                 C Compiler
                 Every else a developer could want, with
                 the luxury of throwing it all into one
                 package. Available only to registered 
                 developers and/or developer wannabe's

If the concept of modular systems is hot, why not modularly
priced developer packages. Order what you want, directly from C=.
Or a certified dealer. Maybe this could be tied into Gold service,
and specially ordered developer systems could be delivered to your
door within 24 hours.

Say, I have a new .signature file
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From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 4 Oct 92 22:40:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.38995
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

>   Forget Amiga OS 1.3.  It's no longer supported by Commodore.  2.0 is out
>since more than 1 year and an half now.

And not available anywhere :-)  Just kidding, but I haven't ever seen
it at a store (even at HT), but then, my car can't make it to all the
local stores.  I'd order it, but after going to the store, finding out
it's not there, and coming back home, I've decided I can hold on to the
$99 a bit longer rather than checking out mailorder.

(How much for a monitor that can make use of the new denise?
How much for a HD backup other than floppies?  Wish I still had
some money.)
-- 
Darin Johnson
djohnson@ucsd.edu
    Macintosh - you can buy better, but you can't pay more!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull)
Subject: Re: FALCON VS AMIGA
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 08:43:29 GMT

hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu) writes:

>>o No point shouting about it now, wait 'til the competition has become
>>  apparent, there is NOW a new Acorn A3010 home machine and there will yet
>>  be several new Amigas. You COULD make the wrong choice too early.

>That's the choice you make in choosing to buy something labeled "new." Some
>folks just gotta have the latest/greatest/newest offerings, most people don't
>mind waiting.

Well I wouldnt exactly call the A3010 new.  Its based on the same design
[loosely] as the A310 which came out in 1987.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: adam@arcadia.mc.phillip.edu.au (Adam Eberbach)
Subject: Re: READ THIS AMIGANS, FALCON 030 SPECS
Reply-To: adam@arcadia.mc.phillip.edu.au
Organization: Dept. Maths & Comp, RMIT ( Bundoora )
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 03:07:11 GMT

In article 1292@msus1.msus.edu, martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU () writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.091213.29477@dhhalden.no>, (Rune Hyldmo) writes:
>[drivel about the 'all powerful' computer removed]
>
>>Hell, NO. They will be ready with the new FALCON 040 around christmas. It
>>
>>HELL, NO. They have by now sold about 1,000,000 pices of it.
>>
>>How the hell should I know!!!
>>
>>Oil and polarbears are walking in the streets as we speak. No, they are not
>>you dumb asshole.
>
>Seems to have mastered english explicitives well. (well, almost.)

Must be a Faith No More fan.
 
When a friend of mine from Sweden told me that Norweigans are the butt
of jokes like the Irish/Polish jokes we tell, I never believed him. Not until
now anyway. 


>
>Jim Martin
>martin@134.29.33.14

Adam Eberbach    adam@arcadia.mc.phillip.edu.au




Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mr_scary@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Chris Hurley)
Subject: Re: A growing dislike for Amiga
Organization: Lakes Public Access
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:05:52 GMT

j2yc@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (EvilEd) writes:

[tons of whining deleted]
Buying a machine without seeing it based on opinions is pure stupidity
anyway.  You deserve to be unhappy.  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Toaster for Falcon?
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 08:45:05 GMT

In article <35563@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:

[ ]
>
>Tell you friend that the Falcon sounds like a pretty nice system,
>assuming what ships is as described, but there really isn't anything
>revoloutionary about it.  Basically a TT system with enhanced video
>and a DSP tacked on.

Very little in the computer world is revolutionary, so that part of your
statement is odd. What is more important is the price. People will not buy
high cost items anymore, unless they make money from them. Times are tough 
and the days of expensive micros are finished.
 
So, C= would do well to look at the Falcon't price tag and rethink its own
marketing approach. Even Apple is cutting prices significantly.
 
One would think that CDTV had taught C= a lesson. I just got back from a 
computer show. 98% PC clones,and the rest C=, Apple, etc...IBM had a very 
large demonstration of OS/2 version 2.0...and people are interested. You
have a strong OS that runs on $1500 computers or less.
 
The bottom line is that C= has to have a low cost good computer. It does not
at this time. It also has to cut CDTV's price in half, bundle a wider variety
of less expensive titles which cover a broad spectrum of what people want
at home (an electronic encyclopedia is not one of those things).
 
Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AGA compatible graphics board
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:57:49 GMT
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

In article <1992Oct7.002945.14778@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>, trevore@vast.unsw.edu.au (Trevor Elbourne (Supr. Hell) BE) writes:
|> 
|>   The aim is to make it a lot cheaper. My opinion is that current
|>   graphics boards are *way* too expensive for the average joe,
|>   take a look at GVP's graphics board its around the $3000 mark,
|>   hell that's more than I paid for my A2000+68030+6 MEGS RAM+120 HD !!
|>   Though at this stage I cannot say how much cheaper, but our
|>   initial hopes are that it will sell for under $1000.

Well, don't forget, the GVP video board is possibly the most impressive video
card available for any personal computer. I don't know a lot about PC and MAC
video cards, but the GVP specs gave listings of every mode available and a 
comparison to another computer platform, as well as suggestions on what type
of monitor to use. 

Well, they ran out of platforms looong before they ran out of resolutions 
(either the SUN or the NeXT lasted longest, at like 1600x1200 (?) or
something...) and the last 4 or 5 modes (known only as GVP-1...GVP-(5?)) were
listed as "monitor: ????", meaning that these are special application modes 
that GVP couldn't even find a MONITOR to display! Resolutions up to over
3000x2000 are not terribly commonplace.

This is not an "average Joe" board. And for what it does, $3000 will be a steal.

|> Cheers,
|> -Trevor

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From: dtiberio@csws20.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Four Thousand Raisins... unclothed!
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:25:29 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

In article <9747@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:

>But "Amiga" has also one big advantage: It comes very early in the
>alphabet! No kidding, this *is* an issue: In all lists that are in
>alphabetical order (telephone books!), the word Amiga comes before 
>Apple or IBM. Now I really come to think why IBM chose the name 
>"Ambra" (or so). Perhaps because it is even earlier in the alphabet 
>than "Amiga"???
>
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>Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk

	Here in the United States, many companies take advantage of this. 
When I look through the phone book I see lots of lists like:

	AAA Auto
	AA Autos
	AWESOME Autos
	A1 Autos
	AZ Auto Repair
	etc.


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From: warda@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Four Thousand Raisins... unclothed!
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:00:51 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

> 
> In 25 words or less, MY REASON FOR OWNING AN AMIGA IS...
> 
> (10)	What's an "Omega?"
> 
> 
That's the second time today I've heard that question - Guy in the lab 
informed me that his brother had "Just bought an Omega".  "Amiga" is a rather 
wishy-washy, non-descript sort of name, don't you think?  "Omega" has all 
sorts of potential for really crap advertising:  "Omega - the Last Word in 
computers"; "Omega - Power Computing for Alpha Males" etc. ad nauseam.  
"Amiga" lacks these connotations.

Just a thought,

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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE! -Reply to Jerry Shekkel
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:10:31 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

>Yeah?  Well, I was playing a game on the Amiga, but then I tried something
>that the programmers hadn't anticipated, and 
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^

>	(A)las, the (M)achine (I)nstantly (G)uru'd (A)gain! :-)

Interesting.  Which game did you play, and what did you do that the
programmers hadn't anticipated?  like playing with the power cord or
unplugging your CIA chips while the game is loading?  ;)

Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
From: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 3 Oct 92 18:01:45 GMT
Reply-To: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren)
Organization: THULOS!, STROMSTAD, SWEDEN
OD-Comment-To: James_Mccoull


 JM> Compare a minimum configuration A500, versus an ST or Archimedes, or
 JM> even an old 8 bit machine like the BBC Microcomputer.
 JM> Which machine is the least usable

I can not speak of the BBC, I've never seen, nor used any of those
mythological beasts, but a minimum config A500 is pretty useless, unless you
have one boot disk for each application you wish to run, then it's acceptable.
With 1 meg/2 diskdrives, things are different...
But try running a MAC w/o harddisk, that's WAY worse than a bog-standard A500!

 JM> which machine has the slowest [perceived] disk accesses

I'd say that the Amiga and ST is quite on par, except for directory scanning,
where the Amiga's a tad slower... :)

 JM> which  machine has the most awkward and ugly GUI?

Atari's TOS, no doubt. You can't do ANYTHING with it! (And I *HATE* when the
mouse pointer moves twice as fast vertically as horizontally in medium
resolution!)

 JM> Its a pity the machine with the best hardware comes out worst eh?

I'm not quite sure what you're talking about... The Atari has built-in MIDI
ports, but that's the only hardware advantage over the Amiga I can think of.


   /  /
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 vs. Atari FALCON: Hooray, Lizardshit, FUCK!
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:02:46 GMT

HANS!

GET A CLUE!

Or, at least, a book on sarcasm. Read some good poetry... I recommend Emily
Dickinson. Or how about a George Carlin concert?

JEEZ.


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From: bmccnnll@unix1.tcd.ie (Barry McConnell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000(Not 3.0Mill. Amigas,the new number is 4.5Mio)
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:26:14 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

>I only want to correct the number: instead of the old count 3.000000, we
>should use now 4.500000:-B

Wow, there are now four and a half Amigas in the world! :-)  (I would prefer
to write it as 4.5e6, but that's just me...)

Now for comments on the number of Macs (8e6?) and PC's (1.15e8?)...

>Ralph Schmidt                                            laire@uni-paderborn.de

Barry.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Originator: etxansk@garbod20
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:04:47 GMT

grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:

>In article <etxansk.717851908@garbod20> etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se writes:
>> matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt) writes:
>> 
>> >In article <1aar7nINNd2m@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>> >>etxansk@garbod20.ericsson.se (Anders Skelander) writes:
>> >>:  When I owned both machines, I got the impression that such software
>> >>: as assemblers, high-level language compilers etc, generally ran faster
>> >>: on the ST. My overall impression was that the Amiga was kept back by
>> >>: slower CPU speed and unbelievably slow disk access.       
>> 
>> >If you're using compilers/assemblers then fork out some more and get a Hard
>> >Drive, really, anyone who uses a floppy system for 'Productivity' work is
>> >a fool.
>> 
>>  Why is it that I always have to point out what the original context
>> was about? Assemblers and compilers are good measures of CPU 
>> performance, and I felt I had to include the floppy disk access part
>> since it is (was?) slow on the Amiga.

>Assemblers and compilers are also good measures of assembler and
>compiler implementation.  Sure, there was a lot of difference between
>the early Amiga and ST deveopment software, but if you want to talk
>about speed, you'd also better be willing to talk about the capabilitles
>and quality of the software available at that time.
>

 I was thinking of software that was available for both machines. Devpac
Assembler, the GfA-Basic Interpreter/Compiler etc. Has anybody tested
this and compared the ST vs the Amiga?

        MOVE.L #$FFFFFFFF, D0
LABEL)  DBRA D0, LABEL

 Anders Skelander
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull)
Subject: Re: Dave's Sig/Music Taste
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 07:54:24 GMT

chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) writes:

>daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
>>-- 
>>Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Cool Advanced High-End Systems You Can't See Yet)
>> "The Crew That Never Rests"  {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh   BIX: hazy
>>             "You lie so much you believe yourself" -Metallica


>Heh.. Looks like daves choice in music has strayed from the B-52's to
>Metallica.. and from REM to... ???  

>Are we going to see "Enter Sandman" imprinted on the motherboard of the 4000?
>;) 

	Actually while I'm extremely dissapointed with cbms latest A4000 -
daves new sig holds some hope.  The mention of cool advanced high end
systems, and one of my old favourite bands...  surely must mean good
things are in the pipeline...

	I assume cool advanced high-end systems are about $2000-3000US?
[please, please, let me be able to buy one.... once i've finished paying
 off my falcon :)]
From: whitcomb@aurs01.UUCP (Jonathan Whitcomb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Falcon 030 vs. "next generation" Amiga
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:54:08 GMT
Reply-To: whitcomb@aurxc3.aur.alcatel.com.UUCP (Jonathan Whitcomb)
Organization: Alcatel Network Systems, Raleigh NC

Okey, I'll bite.  

I bought an ST back in the pre-Amiga days and have been happily using it
ever since.  I've never really compared it to an Amiga as it has always
served my needs, and I don't feel obligated to shell out several hundred
dollars every few months or so to buy the latest whiz-bang high-tech
computer to impress my friends with.  See, I'm a computer user, not a
computer enthusiast.  I think of a computer as a tool, not a status
symbol.  

I use my ST for MIDI sequencing and profile development for Dr.T's X-oR
universal patch editor (the development system is not available on any
other platform).  I do word processing (with a PD WP), the occasional
database function, log into work via modem using a PD terminal program,
and occasionally do some C development at home using GNU emacs and a
commercial compiler.  I occasionally crank up a game and blissfully zap
aliens or shoot down WWII planes for a while.

After 6 years I'm thinking of upgrading to a newer system.  I'm
intrigued by the possibility of writing audio processing software with
the Falcon's DSP facilities (btw, I'm an EE with a degree and several
years professional experience in DSP and the DSP56001 is highly regarded
by many professionals in the industry).  I'm looking forward to using
the 68030, although I've never really been hampered by the performance
of the 68000.  I'm encouraged to learn that most of my current software
will run on the Falcon.  I don't have any desire to pay for fancy
graphic modes or to buy new software to replace my perfectly good
existing programs.

Now, would any of you Amiga fans who are inclined to dismiss the Falcon
sight-unseen care to give me any compelling reasons to wait for an Amiga
in the Falcon's price range with similar capabilities for my needs?
**********************************************************************
Jonathan Whitcomb                    UUCP: <whitcomb%aurgate@mcnc.org>
Alcatel Network Systems              Delphi: JBWHIT
Raleigh, NC                          GEnie: J.WHITCOMB3
From: etxansk@garbo.ericssson.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: READ THIS AMIGANS, FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:56:21 GMT
Organization: Ericsson
Originator: etxansk@garbod20

darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes:

>(Rune Hyldmo) bawls:

>> [stuff deleted]
>>
>As an avid Atari user who is anxiously awaiting the Falcon myself, I feel I
>have enough perspective on the issue to say this: You, "Rune," are a brain-
>dead, juvenile, asinine waste of oxygen.               ^^^^^^^

 In case you don't already know, this is a quite common name in
Scandinavia.

 Anders Skelander
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: laire@uni-paderborn.de (Ralph Schmidt)
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:13:14 GMT

etxansk@garbod20.ericsson.se (Anders Skelander) writes:

>gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

>>etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se writes:
>>:  But it's still nice to see how many applications run faster on a
>>: humble Atari 520ST computer (compared to an Amiga 500).

>>How many do?

> When I owned both machines, I got the impression that such software
>as assemblers, high-level language compilers etc, generally ran faster
>on the ST. My overall impression was that the Amiga was kept back by
>slower CPU speed and unbelievably slow disk access.
       
 o 7.14MHZ to 8MHZ is so significant ?

 o Unbelievable is really overstaed.

The assembler i know from the Atari are mostly based on Tokenize the
Source, that can be faster in integrated enviroment. On the Amiga there's
no need for an integrated enviroment because of the Multi-Tasking:
use your prefered Editor,Debugger and Assembler.
Currently i'm working on an Assembler Enviroment and the assembler does
up to 500k/mins lines on a 25MHZ 30, so i don't expect that a tokenizing
editor with assembler can beat it significant.....


P.S. I don't like tokenizing...

Regards or no Regards that's question (free Hamlet interpretation:-B)


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Ralph Schmidt                                            laire@uni-paderborn.de
University of Paderborn (Germany)
From: david@ariane.cam.org (David Lebel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Additional Machines Coming
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:25:35 GMT
Organization: Ariane Development Group (aka. SilverBox Development Group)
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Sep30.041350.29395@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Timothy Matthew Ciceran) writes:

> Upcoming venues include: the Fall Comdex and WOC Toronto. Let the speculation
> begin :).

   For  the ones who want to know, I'll be at WOC of Toronto, December 2nd,
1992.   Eventually,  I'll post a complete report of it the day after I came
back.  Be sure I'll look at everything I can put my eyes on...

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From: udall@seqp4.sequoia.com (Tim Udall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Worcester MA Users Group
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:40:59 GMT
Organization: Sequoia Systems Inc., Marlboro, Mass.

I am trying to revive a Worcester, MA area Amiga Users Group.
We used to be called WCAUG (Worcester County Amiga Users Group) and about a 
year ago, merged with the Worcester Computer Society as their Amiga
SIG.  For reasons unclear, meeting attendance has dwindled to nearly nobody.
The WCS "activists" feel its a matter of publicity, and they are certainly
partly right, but coming up with interesting programs has been a major
headache.

I'm putting out a call for interested parties to please contact me with
	A. Interest in participating in the group in ANY capacity
	B. Ideas for programs. We need vendors, developers, individuals,
           basically any one who is doing something with Amigas which may
	   be of interest to a group of enthusiasts in Central Massachusetts.

Please respond in email with interest/ideas to
	udall@sequoia.com   or (Compuserve)72366.2063
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