HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: micki@novell.com (Michelle Duncan)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: Re: test
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:48:00 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

In article <1992Oct8.154704.15183@novell.com> micki@novell.com (Michelle Duncan) writes:
>testing
>
>
>********************************************************************************
> Michelle (micki) Duncan  :^)  ** They gave me a ladder I looked at the top and
> Novell Information Systems    ** said "Wow! I don't think I want to climb!" I
> San Jose DataCenter           ** just wanted to be up there already, you know
> Internet:  micki@novell.com   ** what I mean?      -Ted Klausterman 
>********************************************************************************



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 Michelle (micki) Duncan  :^)  ** They gave me a ladder I looked at the top and
 Novell Information Systems    ** said "Wow! I don't think I want to climb!" I
 San Jose DataCenter           ** just wanted to be up there already, you know
 Internet:  micki@novell.com   ** what I mean?      -Ted Klausterman 
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From: khaw@parcplace.com (Mike Khaw)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: test nntp connection
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:51:53 GMT
Distribution: ba

ignore this test.
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Michael Khaw	Domain=khaw@parcplace.com, UUCP=...!uunet!parcplace!khaw
ParcPlace Systems, Sunnyvale, CA	PRODUCT INFO: info@parcplace.com
From: jd9014@cca.ucsf.edu (Joe DeBattista)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: testing
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:38:45 GMT
Reply-To: jd9014@cca.ucsf.edu (Joe DeBattista)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Computer Center, UCSF

this is a test of inews with nntp.
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                            Joe DeBattista
                            ITS, UCSF Computer Center
                   BITNET:  joed@ucsfcca
                 INTERNET:  joed@cca.ucsf.edu
Newsgroups: ba.test
From: jeff@BofA.COM (Jeff Tate)
Subject: Test
Organization: Bank of America, Capital Products, RMTG #5906
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 18:08:29 GMT


Test
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  +------------------------------------------------------------------+
  +  Jeff Tate                            Voice:  (415) 622 0890     +
  +  Manager, RMP Systems                 Fax:    (415) 622 2892     +
From: micki@novell.com (Michelle Duncan)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: test
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:47:04 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.

testing


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 Michelle (micki) Duncan  :^)  ** They gave me a ladder I looked at the top and
 Novell Information Systems    ** said "Wow! I don't think I want to climb!" I
 San Jose DataCenter           ** just wanted to be up there already, you know
 Internet:  micki@novell.com   ** what I mean?      -Ted Klausterman 
********************************************************************************
Newsgroups: ba.test
From: carolyn@novell.com (Carolyn Tuttle)
Subject: test
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:29:36 GMT

This is a test

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Carolyn Tuttle
408-473-8448
carolyn@novell.com

Newsgroups: ba.test
From: jjamison@bellahs.com (John Jamison RD AC)
Subject: Re: test
Organization: Bell Atlantic Healthcare Systems
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:34:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.162550.4848@bellahs.com> jjamison@bellahs.com (John Jamison RD AC) writes:
>testing 1 2 3
>-- 
>-----------------
>John Jamison
>Bell Atlantic Healthcare Systems
>jjamison@bellahs.com

garbage in , garbage out

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John Jamison
Bell Atlantic Healthcare Systems
jjamison@bellahs.com
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Friday, 9 Oct 1992 15:14:23 PST
From: Bebo White <BEBO@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: Test - please ignore

please ignore


Bebo White
---> the opinions expressed are mine alone and not necessarily those
     of SLAC, Stanford University or the DOE
Newsgroups: ba.test
From: yosi@rs.com (Yosi Almog)
Subject: test from rsi
Reply-To: yosi@rs.com
Organization: Renaissance Software, Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:15:06 GMT


Go 

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Yosi Almog
Systems Administrator			
Renaissance Software			
175 S. San Antonio Road
Los Altos CA 94022
Tel. 415/856.8000
From: jimw@PE-Nelson.COM (Jim Watt)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: Test
Keywords: Test
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:02:45 GMT
Reply-To: jimw@PE-Nelson.COM
Distribution: ba
Organization: PE-Nelson

Testing xvnews version 2.0

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James G. Watt                                          jimw@PE-Nelson.COM
PE-Nelson                                              Voice: +1 408 725 1107
10040 Bubb Road                                        Fax:   +1 408 725 0825
Cupertino CA 95014-4132
From: dhoffman@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Robert D. Hoffman)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: testing
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:41:51 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: San Francisco State University
Originator: dhoffman@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu

just testing
Newsgroups: ba.test
From: cjensen@ampex.com (Colin Jensen)
Subject: Test usenet connection
Organization: Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:16:44 GMT

Tset.
-- 
Colin Jensen (cjensen@ampex.com)
Newsgroups: ba.test
From: jjamison@bellahs.com (John Jamison RD AC)
Subject: test
Organization: Bell Atlantic Healthcare Systems
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:25:50 GMT

testing 1 2 3
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John Jamison
Bell Atlantic Healthcare Systems
jjamison@bellahs.com
From: jd9014@cca.ucsf.edu (Joe DeBattista)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: a second test
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:48:58 GMT
Reply-To: jd9014@cca.ucsf.edu (Joe DeBattista)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Computer Center, UCSF

This test is to test the feed going to another site.
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                            Joe DeBattista
                            ITS, UCSF Computer Center
                   BITNET:  joed@ucsfcca
                 INTERNET:  joed@cca.ucsf.edu
From: news@nas.nasa.gov (News Administrator)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: testing
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:10:07 GMT
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

Please ignore this message
From: welker@gtewd.mtv.gsc.gte.com
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: Re: test 1
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:29:30 -0800
Organization: GTE Govt. Systems, Electronics Def. Div.

In article <1992Oct13.215959.12@gtewd.mtv.gsc.gte.com>, welker@gtewd.mtv.gsc.gte.com writes:
> In article <1992Oct13.212256.11@gtewd.mtv.gsc.gte.com>, welker@gtewd.mtv.gsc.gte.com writes:
>> testing to see if this gets out.
> Testing to see if my followup works also

Testing to make sure followup's get out (again).
Xref: sparky ba.politics:6124 ca.politics:8700 talk.politics.misc:52101
From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Subject: Re: Phil, a Name-caller, too?
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:17:04 GMT

In article <97991@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
>Message-ID: <1992Oct8.155948.27041@netcom.com>
>Date: 8 Oct 92 15:59:48 GMT
>
>Wading through the morass of "Gene Smith" postings regarding Claytons
>recent posting on homosexuals, it has struck me how, uh, "driven" this
>person is.
>
>Clayton lists his sources, people that are professionsal in the field,
>and "Gener Smith" counters with the experiences of his mother (!!!) who
>     ***********
>says that her experience was that the scholastic level was "low"!
>
>His mother! I.e., you are wrong because my mommy said so!!
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Anyone tired of how Phil claims there is a lack of "propriety" in posting,
>like how Melinda Shore calls him "Phool", and how he says I can't possibly
>be taken seriously posting under the moniker "Hot Young Star", should
>read stuff like this.



Uh, I connect with a very-noisy-at-times serial line, with a system
that at times has multiple seconds between single character echoes.

In short, a haven for typos. Which this was.


You should have realized this as I used the name "Gene Smith" multiple
time, and typo'ed it once.

And in any case, just how does "Gener" make fun of anything? Or is it
some new homosexuality term that I am unaware of?


Are you so futile in lack of rebuttal to my posts that THIS is the
best you can do????







-- 
phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)

If all the contributions of Dead White Males, a.k.a. Dead White Loathsome
Oppressors, were to vanish, you'd have the Politically Correct(tm) Loathsome
Oppressors using dull rocks to hunt and the Politically Correct Women of
Vision and Strength(tm) using leaves for tampons.

These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em!  (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Subject: Coercion
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:06:21 GMT

Recently, a very stupid post asserted that coercion happens in
every interaction between people where a choice is made.

No, the poster didn't use that language, but that was the implication
of his "thoughts". He claimed that his wife coerces him all the time,
apparently under the impression that his decision making with
regards to his wife was coercion.

Coercion is the use of force to influence a person.

Coercion is not trade, nor is it voluntary, mutually desired (note
the word mutual) transaction(s).


If John wishes to have sex with Mary, Mary makes a decision based
upon her values. She may say yes based on looks, personality, money,
fear of loneliness, her current level of sexual desire, or combinations
of these and other factors.

Her decision is based on the pursuit of happiness -- whether she feels,
at that moment, whether she will be happier if she says yes.

Note that in it being a voluntary decision, the transaction is based
upon mutual agreement. And at the conclusion, BOTH parties are happy
about the transaction.


If Mary says no, and John pulls out a firearm and coerces mary into
a sexual act (rape), then Mary has been coerced.

Mary now makes a decision on how to avoid losing as much "happiness"
as possible. Note that Mary is no longer pursuing happiness, she is
avoiding death by the horrid alternative of submitting to rape.

At the conclusion of this transaction, Mary is certainly not happy
about the transaction.

The transaction was not mutual, nor was it voluntary.


To make the obnoxious, stupid, and morally repugnant case that agreeing
to do something with one's spouse (say, to agree to not cheat) is being
"coerced" is evil.

Alas, this is a common mode of fascist argument -- seen often by
radcial feminists, who equate nearly all forms of sexual congress
to rape.

If a women is sexual aroused and desirous of a man, and seeks sex to
have fun, the women's desire to NOT be lonely, to NOT be sexually
frustrated, has been "used" by the man to "coerce" the women.

More importantly, per Andrea Dworking, the women has been "raped" and
didn't even know it!


Get real, and stuff this type of ill-logic into the trash.



If you still think you wife is coercing you, get a divorce or call
the police.

In the meantime, ask yourself if you feel happy to take out the garbage
while your wife does the dishes. If you feel this transaction has
coerced you, well, tell us about it in detail ....




-- 
phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)

If all the contributions of Dead White Males, a.k.a. Dead White Loathsome
Oppressors, were to vanish, you'd have the Politically Correct(tm) Loathsome
Oppressors using dull rocks to hunt and the Politically Correct Women of
Vision and Strength(tm) using leaves for tampons.

These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em!  (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Moral Premises--    was Some more about 'RIGHTS'
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:27:17 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Oct15.034238.21100@netcom.com>
phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:

>In article <98457@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:

>>In article <1992Oct11.180812.23103@netcom.com>
>>phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:

>>>Hmm, "[Paglia] holds dead homosexual men ..."? What, both of
>>>them!?!?!? :-)

>>Plato? Aristotle? Alexander? Julius? Hadrian? Richard
>>Coeur-de-Leon? Leonardo? Donatello? Michelangelo? Francis and
>>Anthony Bacon? Newton?** [Spinoza]? Whitman? Melville? Wilde?
>>Proust? Forster? Orton? Britten? Bernstein?

>What? You forgot Hitler and the Kaiser and J. Edgar Hoover ...

You guys can keep Hitler. I've never heard of any homosexual Hitler
rumors. Don't know about the Kaiser. Hoover, though, seems to have been
a serious closet case, like Roy Cohn and Joe McCarthy.

Just goes to show the damage not being honest about your sexuality can
do to the world!

BTW---Aristotle should be nixed, and replaced with Socrates.

I can post more if you want.

>In your dreams ...

one of us is dreaming, and it ain't me. It's the one of us who thinks that
the only place you can find gay men is in a gay bar.
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics
From: jlbrand@pb2esac.uucp (Jack Brand)
Subject: Indians *DID* discover Columbus...
Organization: Pacific*Bell ESAC, Oakland, CA.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:07:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.183019.14691@tandem.com> pearson_steven@tandem.com (Steven R. Pearson) writes:
>
>What Columbus discovered was of course much bigger.  He and those who
>followed brought knowlege of a huge land that was previously unknown to many.
>He was the first to bring lasting knowlege of America to Europe.

I for one liked the editorial cartoon I saw the other day, captioned
"October 12, 1492".  A Native American Indian is grousing as he works 
in his straw hut, "The coconut milk's gone sour, my fishing net is torn, 
and now my knife is broken! What *else* could go wrong with this day?"  
As he is saying this, his wife is staring out the window at three 
ships appearing on the horizon. :-)

jb
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Phil, a Name-caller, too?
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:49:24 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Oct8.211704.20000@netcom.com>
phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:

>In article <97991@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:

>>In article <1992Oct8.155948.27041@netcom.com>
>>phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:

>>>Clayton lists his sources, people that are professionsal in the field,
>>>and "Gener Smith" counters with the experiences of his mother (!!!) who
>>>says that her experience was that the scholastic level was "low"!
>>>His mother! I.e., you are wrong because my mommy said so!!

>>Anyone tired of how Phil claims there is a lack of "propriety" in posting,
>>like how Melinda Shore calls him "Phool", and how he says I can't possibly
>>be taken seriously posting under the moniker "Hot Young Star", should
>>read stuff like this.

>Uh, I connect with a very-noisy-at-times serial line [...]
>You should have realized this as I used the name "Gene Smith" multiple
>time, and typo'ed it once. [...]
>Are you so futile in lack of rebuttal to my posts that THIS is the
>best you can do????

I think you missed the crux of my argument.

You've taunted Gene Smith with "your mommy this..."

Sounds to me like junior-high-school level ribbing.

This from a guy who complains that he is head-and-shoulders above the
rest of the crowd in terms of dignity and politesse.

Try again. You're just like everyone else here.
Xref: sparky ba.politics:6144 ca.politics:8722 talk.politics.misc:52427
From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins))
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Genocide war crime trials against the AMerIndians NOW!
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:20:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Oct16.064008.21459@u.washington.edu> tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
>Were the people who were living in the Americas when Columbus dropped in
>uniformly peaceful?  Wasn't there quite a bit of warfare, slavery, and
>that sort of thing?  If so, why is it any worse for Columbus to come over
>and kill and enslave than it is for one group already here to kill and
>enslave another group?  Columbus was "better" at it, but is that sufficient
>reason?  Isn't that like, say, overlooking what's going on with the Serbs
>because Hitler was worse?
>
>--Tim Smith


Then I suppose your questions are leading to a point?  Is it OK therefore
since these people are fighting amongst each other anyway, to come in and
take everything away from them?

Why don't we just enter the old Yugoslavia and take over everything since
they are just fighting with each other anyway.

The process reflected in your questions, is that if these people were
having wars and conflicts and slavery etc.  then they deserved to be
conquered. A very odd justification IMHO. It also has to do with the
concept of civilizing the savages, since we have the truth as far as
how people should evolve.
From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len B.)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: No on 9
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:47:53 GMT
Organization: Informed Consent

In article <1992Oct8.211349.19801@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>In article <97989@bu.edu> kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:
>    >In article <1992Oct4.203257.29830@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com
>    >(Phil Ronzone) writes:
>    >
>    >>Man is nothing without property. If you do not have the right
>    >>to your own body (not being sold into slavery for example)
>    >>
>    >Man can exist without individually owned property (beyond his
>    >own body) as long as he can overcome his possessiveness.
>    >
>    >As for one's own body being one's property, that is absolute.
>    >
>    >Which is why an argument could be made that what one does in
>    >private should not matter in public.
>
>Eh?
>
>Without air, water, food, shelter, clothing, medical care, ...
>
>All those tangible items of property -- man can exist without 'em?
>
>Not me.
>
>
>If I, Iosef Stalin, agree that you own your own body, but that I,
>Iosef Stalin own all the water, food, clothing, shelter and that
>you can't own them in any way -- then where are you?

That's easy Philly....in the heart of a mountain range,
stockpiled with ammo, weaponry, seed stock, water purification
tablets and a reverse osmosis pump filter, MREs, and a good
scope so I can hunt and protect myselfshould I have to.
Let's not forget the compass, backpack, boots, jackets, gloves,
etc...tent....bag, blah blah.....ah yes and a solar operated
shortwave transceiver.

Where and how did I get there? Now I would be stupid to say on
this net wouldn't I?!

What's the matter with you Philly? Are you a weakling or
something? Probably so...this is why you never respond to my
posts.
>
>Up feces creek, eh?

I think you are though...have you ever heard of the phrase:
A Lengend In His Own Mind.

And I think we all know how one arrives at this state don't we.
>
>
>
>-- 
>phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
>
>If all the contributions of Dead White Males, a.k.a. Dead White Loathsome
>Oppressors, were to vanish, you'd have the Politically Correct(tm) Loathsome
>Oppressors using dull rocks to hunt and the Politically Correct Women of
>Vision and Strength(tm) using leaves for tampons.
>
>These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em!  (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)


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The accountability of government has gone to the point where the very
use of the law is the instrument of illegality.
		-- Ralph Nader @ Harvard Law School, 1/15/92
Newsgroups: ba.politics
From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: HERSCHENSOHN: Differences with Boxer on Education
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 22:23:43 GMT

In <1992Oct8.171726.3512@island.COM>, Guido Marx writes:

>In article <92281.33695.J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> J056600@LMSC5.IS.LM
>>The ACLU and others don't want to let students use classrooms for Bible studie
>>during lunch hour but they will let any other groups (including non-Christian
>>religious activities) use them.

>Can you give some kind of a reference for this statement ?  When I was
>in high school (I graduated in '77 from a public high school in Orange
>County, Ca.) we were given a lecture by a representative from the
>Campus Crusade for Christ.  This lecture was held DURING class time
>in a class MANDATORY for graduation.  Attendance was compulsory.  I
>personally was offended by this.  Further, no such lecture was given
>by representatives of any other religions.  I have a hard time believing
>that Christians are discriminated against in our public schools.

I agree.  Even though I am a Christian, it should not be mandatory and done
in front of a captive audience.

I don't remember exactly when the incident I described took place, but I
think it was about two years ago.  I read it in the Mercury News.  It seems
that a group of atheists allied with a local ACLU chapter (my memory is foggy;
I think it was the ACLU but I'm not 100% sure) to prevent the use of classroom
facilities during off-hours (before and after school and lunch hour).  Even
though other club meetings were allowed under the same circumstances, the
group argued that "separation of church and state" (which is nowhere in the
founding documents but an unfortunate statement by Jefferson in the 1820s)
required that *no* religious activity could take place on school grounds (and
the group had no objection to a Buddhist group holding lunchtime meetings).

I didn't hear the outcome.  I think the suit was dismissed, as well it should
be.

It is crucial that we draw the distinction between voluntary and desired
participation in religious activity and coerced participation.  For example,
I find it perfectly acceptable for schools and colleges to offer courses in
religion, as long as they are not required courses.  That way, people who
want to be there will, and those who don't won't have to deal with it.  The
"religious freedom" of the First Amendment is a freedom OF religion.  It does
not guarantee freedom FROM religion, though an individual is certainly free
to live his/her life seeking to minimize religious influence if they so desire.


Tim Irvin  j056600@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com
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FLASH!  Card-carrying Libertarian attempts to solve problems realistically.
        Film at 11.
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