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Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:07:03 -0500
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From:         "Kenneth V. White" <kwhite@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      Sunni and "what to do"

>From: Sunni <bjreilman@uccs.edu>
>Subject:      RE: Attention and Medical Deficits...
>
>I am not saying meds are good, but how many people are willing to home
>school their children, because the people who hand out money to schools
>barely even recognize that ADHD is a diagnose, and certainly don't want
>to spend time setting up special classroom situations to accomodate these
>kids.


What??? To whom are you referring?  Congress?  The Department of Education?
Lobbyists?  The NEA?

Have you ever heard of Title 7?  Ever city in this country is obligated
*by law* to provide special education servies to children in need.  And
in most jurisdictions if parents disagree with the School's psychologist,
they may receive *free* second opinions from public mental health clinics,
or their own psychologist, if they so choose.  According to the public
policy wonks I talked to in our Special Ed. department, it only takes
one diagnosis by one doc to qualify.


> And many teachers, who have no knowledge or experience with ADHD, and
>wouldn't want to spend time on one kid out of 30 if they did, just wind
>up punishing the child, not educating him or her.



Who said they should punish them?  Of course they shouldn't.  But on the
other hand, nor should they teach them, without proper training.
We should always persue behavioral therapies first, and psychotropics
as a last resort.  What I'm saying is that the jury's still out on the
long-term efficacy of the latter.



>What can be done?



Lots.  I'm all for increasing Head-Start and Title 7 funding, but I
refuse to accept that that requires us to gut critical research.

Because a child has special education needs, that does not *necessarily*
mean that he or she is "learning disabled," "dyslexic," or "ADD."  Of
course they should get remedial help, but as psychologists and
psychometricians, we should always be wary of such overly-diagnosed disorders,
particularly when it comes to research.  To wit, how can we advance
our understanding of a problem, if our "subjects" are grouped by an
erroneous, capricious (read, half-assed) lexicon, driven by special
interests, rather than empiricism?



Fighting for the munchkins AND science,
Kenn
kwhite@wam.umd.edu


p.s., Re my earlier qualifications, add one year as a Clinical Supervisor
for 14 Special Ed Student Teachers, working in Learning Disabled classrooms
throughout Maryland and D.C.  :)
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From:         Monika Trzcinska <054470@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: TV and brain waves

On Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:57:12 EST Matthew Simpson said:

>On Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:51:00 EDT <KMORGAN@WHEATNMA> said:
>>Matthew,
>>        I think you mean "Cool World," don't you--where a cartoon woman
>>becomes Kim Bassinger?
>
>That's right!   :-)
>Well actually, Kim Bassinger is only the actress who plays the role of
>the cartoon character who has changed into a real person.
>
>- Matthew

Well...I do not know if "the real person" description fits well here.
The character played by Kim Bessinger was representing the stereotypical
image of "the dumb blond"...and although I know that it was only a cartoon
the message that it might have sent to todays youth is not very flattering
to women...


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                                                              D.O.Hebb
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Subject: Re: Discrimination
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:30:00 GMT
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Julie,

I hope you were kidding about the "feminist" thing (Oh, no, not that
argument again! ;)

        As far as changing token systems, well--if you get enough
tokens in a system to have a say, then perhaps more tokens will be
hired, and even MORE tokens will add to that say--until, lo and behold,
there ARE no tokens anymore!  Just to give an example--the Hispanic
population in the United States is (according to the most recent census
data) the FASTEST growing minority population (estimated increase from
date of last census to next census--180%).  In some states, (Arizona,
for example), there will be more native spanish speakers than english
speakers by the year 2000.  Now, some states, in an effort to stick
their heads in the sand like good little ostriches (who don't really do
that, by they way!--ostriches, that is--not some states!) have passed
"English only" laws in response to these data--California being one of
them.  However, if for no other reason than sheer need and statistics--
all government documents in California are written in spanish and in
english, and I don't believe that laws like this will be around by the
year 2000.  Too many "tokens" ready to take the place of the not-so-
major majority.
        Yeah, I think it's possible to change things--I think it's
already happening.  Not fast, and not the way I'd like it to,
necessarily, but it's happening.  And at the moment, I'm patient.
However, I understand those who are not patient.  As Johnathan Kozol
said in his talk here the other day, "Patience is a luxury for people
who are not in pain."  It takes all kinds of actions to meet all the
many needs in this world.

--Kathy Morgan
kmorgan@wheatnma.bitnet
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From:         "CLSTAD::LDUNN" <ldunn%clstad.decnet@CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Diversity on the network

Sybil, I have recently, within the last five years, admitted publicly
that I am half Korean. I am a residual effect of the Korean War (my
biological father American, biological mother Korean) but due to the
Cold War prejudices and the fact I can pass for several different
nationalities I hid my background as much as I could. It took several
*really* good courses in Sociology for me to gain a better understanding
of the causes and effects of prejudice and that gave me the courage
to admit who I am. I know this is more than you requested but...
Linda
ldunn@csupomona.edu
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From:         Monika Trzcinska <054470@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Help with Hippocampi
              18 Nov 1992 20:05:58 EST from <joppa@PSYCH.PURDUE.EDU>

To M. Joppa and others:
Stimulation of the VMH does indeed have an effect on brown adipose tissue (BAT)
I said nothing about the fat in the brain!!!!! (Where did you get this idea?).
Brown fat, is a peripheral type of fat, that is controlled by the sympathetic
innervation (some neuronal control mechanism reside in the VMH).
For example, a collegue in the lab, is stimulating the VMH (electrically) and
then looks at temperature responses in the interscapular (between shoulders)
brown fat.  Usually she sees a rise (in accordace with what we know about VMH
involvement in metabolism), but lately she has also seen a decrease...
Anyway, if you want to know more about it read Kelly and Bielajew (Neuroreport
1991).


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                                                              D.O.Hebb
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From:         Sunni <bjreilman@UCCS.EDU>
Subject: re: departmental sex (subject for gossip? NOT!)

Matthew is right! Besides which we have too much to do to be sticking our
noses into other people's business. Who cares wo is dating who or what!
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 13:47:30 -0800
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From:         Tor Neilands <tbn@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Clinical Respecialization

Jason Mihalko writes:

>=========================================
>  1.2 Clinical Respecialization Program
>=========================================
>
>=== Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:57:52 EST
>=== From:         WC5BB@CUNYVM.BITNET
>=== Subject:      Clinical Respecialization
>
>Hi!
>
>     Is there anyone out there that is in a clinical psych
>respecialization program (or has an opinon about them!)?  As
>I get closer and closer to finishing my M.S. this year I'm
>realizing that the I/O program that I am in is not what I really
>am interested in.
>
>     My main research interests lie in developmental psychology,
>but I'm also interested in clinical.  What I am proposing to do
>is complete a PhD in develomental and go on to respecialize later
>in clinical.  I have found several people who have done this, but
>I'd like to gather some more input.
>
>     Thanks!
>
>Jason Evan Mihalko
>wc5bb@cunyvm.cuny.edu
>*****************

I'm also interested in respecializing once I get my PhD in social psych, as
my interests have moved away from benchwork social cognition into issues of
self-affirmation (my dissertation topic) and global self-improvement. I've
thought about trying to get a post-doc at a counseling program as well as
the respecialization route. I'd enjoy hearing thoughts/input from folks
who've done the respecialization route, the post-doc route, folks who've
considered doing one or both, or just plain folks who know about
clinical/counseling psych and who have an opinion on the subject.

Thanks!

Tor
TBN@utxvm.bitnet


Tor Neilands
Systems Analyst
Statistical Services Group
Computation Center
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX  78712

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From:         "David M. Fresco" <FRESCO@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Jury selection process

Sybil,
John Lambert of Temple University has done a good deal of work in this
area.  Further, he was involved in the jury selection of the Von Bulow
case  of several years ago.  He has also done some work on death penalty
juries.
David Fresco
UNC-CH
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:16:00 EDT
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From:         KMORGAN@WHEATNMA.BITNET
Subject: Re: Help with Hippocampi

>OK, this makes nice sense to me (the LH's connection).  I'm curious if
>similar tracts have been suggested for other homeostasis-regulating
>centers of the hypo (supraoptic, ventromedial, suprachiasmatic, etc.).
>Seems like it would provide a reasonable accounting of how homeostatic-
>maintaining behaviors are conditionable (or am I being master of the
>obvious?).

 This is getting VERY interesting, seeing as the aspect of the
hippocampus that I am interested in is regulation of reactivity and
arousal!
--Kathy Morgan
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:14:19 -0500
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From:         "Kenneth V. White" <kwhite@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      This !@#%$@ definition thing...

Kathy,

First, what does a disdain for racial or ethnic discrimination
have to do with being a feminist?  Noble causes, to be sure, but that
sounds more like an affirmative action blurb than something specifically
concerned with addressing *women's* issues.  (Those blurbs are getting
longer and longer all the time, by the way -- at U of M they include
previous marital status, previous veteran status, and *personal appearance*
-- yah, right.  Where in the hell did that last one come from?  I don't
recall reading anywhere in my copy of the bill of rights that a 400-
pound, nose-ring-sporting, greasy, Harley-ridding hippy-dude, who's gone a
week without a shower has a *RIGHT* to a sales job at Saks Fifth Avenue's
cosmetics counter).


Second, if you leave off the label, and just read the definition, I suspect
you'd be hard pressed to find a lot of people who disagree with your
statement.  I certainly don't.  But that hardly makes me a feminist.  The
only reason people have these vitriolic debates in the first place
is the *means* through which they believe we should realize these ideals.
In the 1990s, the furor over quotas, federal contract set-asides for
minority owned businesses, and race- or gender-based hiring practices have
little to do with the merits of Equal Rights.  They have everything to do
with the way in which we REDRESS past inequities of these rights.
I don't recall reading in any of these discussions someone spouting that
women or minorities shouldn't have a fair shot at (excuse the ethnocentrism)
the "American Dream."  Of course they should, and any rational person would
say so.  I only take issue with the latest trend of remedying the situation
via reverse discrimination.


Blind to race and gender?  Well, then blind should mean blind.
(or differently-sighted, if you must).


Never apologizing for being so right,
Kenn
kwhite@wam.umd.edu


p.s., Don't go psycho.  Breathe, think out your position, and state it
rationally.  It'll make this intellectual engagement so much more productive.
Dispassion will be a virtue for your ultimate cause, you know.
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Date: Thursday, 19 Nov 1992 00:12:37 EST
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Subject: Re: Diversity on the network

Sybil said:

>Several days ago I sent out a posting asking if there were any other
>Black women on the psycgrad network...the deafening silence tells me
>the answer is NOT!  So, I am broadening the scope of my question and
>would like to know if there are ANY other ethnic or racial minorities
>out there...also can someone tell me how many "members" (is that the

     If you'd like to extend you question to sexual minorities, you
can include me as being gay.

Jason Evan Mihalko
wc5bb@cunyvm.cuny.edu

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From:         "David M. Fresco" <FRESCO@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      BT for ADHD

Sunni et al.,
The Schroeder & Gordon (1991) book is great.  There's also a Russell
Barkley title that Kenn(?) cited.  Ken Dodge in many ways pioneered
some of the parent training stuff.  According to Betty Gordon, the CBT
or BT for ADHD is very similar to the interventions used with CD and
ODD except there is a particular emphasis on the child's attentional
problems.  Again, Gordon's perspective is best characterized by both
developmental and behavior approaches.  She emphasizes assessment WISC3
WPPSI, K-ABC etc and Bx Assessment too so that the interventions are
appropriate for the current cognitive functioning of the child.  I may
not have said this already, but I see her approach from a skills-deficit
perspective in that training is a big part of Tx.  It's really neat
stuff.


.
Schroeder, C.S. and Gordon, B.N.(1991). Assessment and Treatment of
       Childhood Problems:  A Clinician's Guide. New York:  Guilford.
.
David Fresco
UNC-CH
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From:         DON GALLOGLY <GALLOGLY@CWU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Flaming

Matthew Simpson writes...
>On Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:01:00 CST Betty Harris said:
>>Can one get a Ph.D. in Psycgrad?????  ;)
>
>I wish!
>Isn't there somewhere that would give me funding for doing this thing?

Maybe.  I know that Psycoloquy gets funding from the APA.  Maybe you should
talk to Steve (?) Harnad.

Don
GALLOGLY@CWU.bitnet
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:24:00 EDT
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From:         KMORGAN@WHEATNMA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: departmental sex

As in Sharon's department, the impact of departmental liasons
in our department is covert, but powerful.  Student-student
affairs are common, and more than one marriage has been made
(and broken) as a consequence.  The only noticable effect of
these that I've seen (other than the break-up of my own
marriage) is that cocktail parties get trickier to plan, and
putting together a functional co-ed softball team is a real
chore.
        Affairs between faculty members only become important
to students who have both members of a couple on a committee.
Under those circumstances, I've seen disagreements between the
lovebirds make a student's life a little tough.
        Affairs between faculty members and students has bred
some resentment in our department, along the lines of suspicion
and preferential treatment.  I've seen some students give the
student lovers of faculty the cold shoulder, as they do not
wish the faculty to know what is being said and done at the
student level, and don't trust their fellow student not to be
"an informant."
        The "rule" of thumb here is that no one is "supposed"
to be sleeping with anyone they are supervising in some way--
but this does happen sometimes.
--Kathy Morgan
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:57:00 EDT
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From:         KMORGAN@WHEATNMA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Discrimination

You asked for it--I thought I gave it before.

My operational definition of "feminist" is "someone who professes to
believe that all humans are equal, that no one should not be
discriminated against on the basis of race, religion, nationality, age,
sexual orientation, or sex, and who endeavors to live by those
beliefs."  I have no doubt that this differs from other people's
operational definitions of "feminist."  However, it is mine.

--Kathy Morgan
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From:         "David M. Fresco" <FRESCO@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Endnote-L

Greetings All,
Forgive me if this post is a repeat, but I have some reason to believe
that my first try did not make it to the PSYCGRAD.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Greetings all,
Today I learned of an Endnote list offered by listserv@UCSBVM.BITNET.
After suscribing this morning, I received two posts.  I gather that the
discussion is relevent to both Mac and PC folks.  Further, the
particular posts described the existence of some anonymous FTP site to
download different styles for use with Endnote.  Neat stuff!  I managed
to subscribe in the usual way.  That being:
1) sending a note to listserv@UCSBVM.BITNET
2) sub endnote firstname lastname
Enjoy!!!
David Fresco
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From:         "David M. Fresco" <FRESCO@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ADHD

Jeff et al.,
The Behavioral Intervention reference which I briefly characterized as
a developmental-behavioral approach DOES have a strong family component
embedded within it.  I would not characterize it as very-Minuchin, but
the parents play a significant role  in structuring an environment that
takes into account the child's current strengths and weakness so that
the child can function in a "least-restrictive" environment (so to
speak).  The particular behavioral and cognitive interventions are
chosen based on the current cognitive functioning of the child.  Parents
often receive some form of parent training (a la Ken Dodge) with perhaps
a special emphasis on giving instructions congruent with the child's
attention span.  Another important part of the parent training is
teaching problem-solving skills so that the parents can brain storm
novel situations.  One of the underlying assumptions of this approach is
that an ADHD child will respond to a consistent environment with clear
demands that are often broken down into several steps rather than told
to her/him all at once.  Thus, the interventions are developmentally
appropriate behavioral (or C-B) and the providers are typically the
parents.
David Fresco@UNC
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