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From: merchant@davidsys.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: 'burqa and muslim women'
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:01:17 PST
Organization: DAVID Systems Inc, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr8.235903.20688@sarah.albany.edu>, ys3359@sarah.albany.edu (Yazmasterj) writes:
> In article <1992Apr08.185737.29844@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> ss511583@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Sohban Shahid) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>>people turn out this way but one final question are you against  hijaab in 
[...]
> 
> 	I don't know what you mean about being against hijaab in the
> 	"true sense".  I do not believe in the traditional view that
[...]
>   	I think that's between the person in question and the
> 	deity/conscience they hold dear.

I whole-heartedly agree.  Again, you have done an excellent job of
articulating your views.  It's really been a pleasure reading your
articles. Sincerely, rukhsana

> 
> Khudahafiz
> 
> Yasmin
From: memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re (was) daw'a. Is nothing, really!
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:22:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB

From: sbanwari@pdx167 (Sunil Banwari)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Da'wah to American Indians



>Another example of a name of an Arizona town which is 
>positively of Arabic origin is a small truckstop in 
>southern Arizona called Eloy. The story goes that a 
>Lebanese engineer, on coming across this place, was so
>amazed by the beauty of the Sonoran desert that he
>blurted 'Eloy' - somewhat similar to the expression of
>amazement used by Sindhis ('Alla'), Hindus and Muslims 
>alike.


This expression is used by Urdu-speaking women as well though it is used
more extensively and for different reasons in Sindhi. I know I am getting
away from the topic but there is one other term that I always thought
to be interesting. As Sunil may recall, another word is 'ghoRa'. Yes meaning
'horses'. Pir Hisam ud din Rashidi, the renowned linguist, (brother of Pr
Ali Ahmad Rashidi for those reading Jang) traced back the origin of this 'cry
of anguish' to the Arghun(?) invasion of Thatta to gain control of the
province while the Mughals ruled Delhi. The invaders would enter the city and
ride on their horses till the citizens opposed to the invasions were crushed 
under the horses' hooves. The women therefore sensing an invasion would grab
hold of their kids to safety amid cries of 'GhoRa GhoRa'. Infact the word used
twice is supposed to suggest in political terms that some one is raising 
hell crying foulplay :)   


Oh well,



Naveed
From: zaheer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Imrana Zaheer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Eid Mubarak
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:22:37 GMT
Reply-To: zaheer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Imrana Zaheer)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: zaheer@daisy.cc.utexas.edu


In article <1992Apr4.184304.25807@athena.mit.edu> anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM) writes:
>EID MUBARAK from someone who, even on Eid Day, is forced to sit before a computer 
>running the umpteenth run of a optimization model that takes five minutes per run
>.............................
>
>In between models, as I flick through SCP postings, I find some very enchanting
>Eid messages.....thank you all.........Unlike these drab monitors that surround
>me on all sides, your messages instill fonder memories than optimization even



   Aik nazam aaraz  hay mooka ki munasibat say


 Terminal pay kesey main frame ki tanha student tha koi udas betha
 Kehta tha kay TEST sar pay aiya khatam karoon kaam kis tarhan

 Aab to lab mey bhi cha gaya andhera
 Ho ga Take Home pura kis tarhan

 Suun kar student ki aah o zari, aik "486" paas hi say bola
 Hazir hoon maddad ko main tumhari

 Kaiy gham hay jo LAB hay andheri,
 Main lab main rooshni karoon ga

 Scientist nay mujah ko dey hay aik CHIP
 Teez hay mugh ko buhat banaya

 Hain wohi loog lab mein aachay
 Use karty nahin jo "286" ko.



 Many aadab's

 Wish were in Lab...

 Pakistan is the place to live

 
 Imrana[udas student]Zaheer

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: smunir@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sohail Munir)
Subject: 2+2=5
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:06:38 GMT


Hi!
I read an article 'A Mathamatical Fallacy' proving that 2+2=5.
Here is the proof.

16-36=25-45   (-20=-20)

16-36+(81/4)=25-45+(81/4)

(4*4)-(2)(4)(9/2)+(9/2)(9/2) = (5*5)-(2)(5)(9/2)+(9/2)(9/2)

(4-9/2)sq=(5-9/2)sq

4-9/2 = 5-9/2

4=5

therefore,

2+2=5

Proved.




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From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Mr. Maudoodi and Minority relations: Another case of Dishonesty?
Date: 9 Apr 1992 15:10:50 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
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In article <1992Apr9.183625.1418@prism.poly.edu> 
	ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain) writes:
>
> In his testimony before Munir Commission 1953,
>
>Mr. Maudoodi states that he has no objection if
>
>Government of India starts treating MUSLIM minority as
>
>ASHOOTS & MALEESHS.
>
>The report is published by Govt. of Pakistan.

A classic case of quoting out of context and making
the readers believe of some thing which is not intended at
all. The context of the above is actually the "legal"
position of a Muslim "sovreign" state `M' vis-a-vis another
"sovereign" Non-Muslim state `N'.

The question in front of Maudoodi was what will be your
treatment of minorities in `M' if `N' is persecuting the
Muslims and treating the Muslims as  ASHOOTS & MALEESHS.

His answer was, whatever the treatment of Muslims in `N',
even if  they are treated as ASHOOTS & MALEESHS, we can not
and will not sacrifice our "principles" and start
persecuting the minorities in `M'!!!!!!!!

So, you have in front of you yet another piece of
scholastic dis-honesty.

[I have not read Munir report. However, I have read the above 
	objection being referred to in "Russail-o-Massail-III" and
	Maudoodi's answer to it. The above is from that
	source]






Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: haider@pi.rice.edu (Haider Abbas Rizvi)
Subject: Re: Dr. Akhtar Hammed Khan, Sher aur Ahmek
Organization: Rice University, Houston, Texas
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:33:38 GMT

Assalam-o-alaikum,
Has anyone read the rhyme in question. Can someone post it on the net or
email it to me. I would like to read it before passing any judgement on it.
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Another Jafry'ite alert (was Re: For all Qadiani friens
Keywords: moron alert, long lost brother of Mr. Mahfooz !
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:23:18 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University

In article <1992Apr10.161435.10180@topaz.ucq.edu.au> khant@topaz.ucq.edu.au writes:
>
>Again sorry for not sending salam. That is because we can not send salam 
>to those people who do not believe on Allah (the only difference is, Qadianis indirectly, Hindos
>directly).  
>
>I think it is not falt of our Qadiani friends, because they were born in a
>family which was not muslim like Hindos and other non muslim religions. But
>allah says that no one will have excuse of not knowing the fact, or no one told
>them the fact.  like other non muslim these people will also be questioned and
>they will not have any excuse.

>My best suggestion for these people is, not to follow their forfathers and come
>out of the false and useless thought.  (May Allah give you people Hidayat)
>
>Tariq Mohammad Khan 

I hope you will be as amusing as Mr. Mahfooz Jafry.

:-) :-)


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Babies sleeping on their stomach:SIDS:Sudden Infant Death Syndrome
Date: 16 Apr 1992 13:44:29 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: world
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After the birth of my son, the pediatricians here and the
nurses of the hospital advised us to put the baby to sleep
on his stomach. On their back, they contended, babies are
more vulnerable to suffocation. 

On learning about this practice, my mother gently
tried to persuade me to put the baby to sleep
on his back instead of his stomach. In support of her
position she mentioned a Hadith recommending that 
babies be put on their back instead of their stomach. She
also mentioned how our scientific research often falters.

In a classic case of cognitive dissonance, I ignored her
advise. I thrusted back whatever discomfirting thoughts
came to my mind, as I decided to continue with the
advice given by the Doctors and nurses here.

Today, the American Pediatrics Association has come
forward with a study that details that there is more
risk for babies that are put on their stomach of
suffering from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS)
(due may be to suffocation, or inhaling in what 
babies throw out etc.). They have recommended that 
the babies who are put on their back have a lower 
risk of SIDS.

These are signs for those who reflect.

May Allah forgive me. All praise to Allah, the
beneficient the merciful




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From: nr503637@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Constitutional Amendment
Keywords: Ahmadiyya Islam
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:50:11 GMT
Reply-To: nr503637@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana)
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

In article <1992Apr8.071023.5172@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>,
shahid@vast.unsw.edu.au (Shahid Masud (Supr. Rigby)) writes:
> Dear Readers,
> Assalamoalaikum,
> Given below are the constitutional changes which were brought about in
> Pakistan constitution to solve the Qadiyani problem once and for all.
> The matter was not discussed  by people like us using usenet but rather
> by  eminent  scholars both from sides of Muslims and Qadiyanis. I hope
> this material will be a good reference for all readers.
> Jazak'Allah,
> Wassalam,
> Shahid Masud
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>  QADIYANIS AND AHMADIS DECLARED NON-MUSLIMS BY THE PAKISTAN PARLIAMENT
>
>
>


Is the Pakistan Parliament, some judge appointed by Allah? Or is the
Pakistan Constitution above the Holy Quran ? Do people on earth have the
right declare Allahs decisions ? 

Mr. Shahid Masud no one gives a damn to this damn constitutional
ammendment. Its the worlds sickest thing people have ever seen. Did ever
constitutions deside other peoples religions ?

Mr. Masud keep the constitution for your self. You need not to show it
to people. We are are talking with help of the Holy Quran and Hadith,
not bloody constitutions!

O.K.



Sincerely,


	
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Through QADIANIS away
From: A.Qadir@massey.ac.nz (A. Qadir)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 02:43:05 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

Dear Brs & sisters in ISLAM,
Assalamu Alaikum, As all of us know very well that we have lot
of problems on SCP in term of un wanted posting.The people
can't go any where else found it an ideal platform. The main
reason behind it, absence of the moderator in this particular
group. I would like to request all MUSLIM, not the stupid
QADIANI "KUFFAR", please do some thing for it so we can get
rid of these non sense people and their non-sense posting.

Altaf Qadir
From: amarmahb@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Amar Mahboob Ali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Tum Gunnah'gar Ho
Keywords: poetry
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:57:07 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


As Adil has asked for more. Here is another one by Haaris. I dont 
have to say a lot about it, as it speeks for itself. And even more 
so as I hear of gross injustices being commited in my homeland.
And I wonder about the fate of those, who would raise there voice for
justice, equatily and freedom .......




		Tum Gunnahgar Ho	   ..... by   Haaris Khaleeq

	Tum nay socha keh dunia budal ja'ey gi
	din nikal aa'ey ga raat dhal ja'ey gi
	tum nay socha ghulat, tum nay chaha ghulat
	tum gunnah'gar ho
	tum ho mujrim bahemana afkar kay
	baaghe'yana kheyalat o guftar kay
	chahtay ho keh hur zehn bedaar ho
	tum gunnah'gar ho


	Tum nay chaha keh rungoN kay nusloN kay but
	yeh illaqooN kay but, yeh qabeeloN lay but
	muslekoN kay puraney nuzzer'yoN kay but
	yeh rasoom o riwaj aur tareeqoN kay but
	aur sub say baRRa but, yeh daulat ka but
	tum nay chaha keh tum sarey but toRR do

		tum nay chaha ghulat, tum nay socha ghulat
		tum gunnah'gar ho
		tum ho mujrim bahemana afkar kay
		baaghe'yana kheyalat o guftar kay
		chahtay ho keh hur zehn bedaar ho
		tum gunnah'gar ho


	Tum nay socha shub-e hijr kut ja'ey gi
	wasl-e gulbar ki shub ghuRRi aa'ey gi
	tum yeh sumjhay keh mehboob mil ja'ey ga
	aur summajoN ka nuqsha badel ja'ey ga
	her purana dya aap bujh ja'ey ga
	aage'he ka n'ya deep jal ja'ey ga

		tum nay socha ghulat, tum nay chaha ghulat
		tum gunnah'gar ho
		tum ho mujrim bahemana afkar kay
		baaghe'yana kheyalat o guftar kay
		chahtay ho keh hur zehn bedaar ho
		tum gunnah'gar ho


	Tum nay chaha keh sehra bunay gulsitaN
	khutm ho ja'ey ab zulm ki daastaN
	aadmi aadmi say na ho budgumaN
	her turaf ho khushi, her turaf ho ammaN

		tum nay chaha ghulat, tum nay socha ghulat
		tum gunnah'gar ho
		tum ho mujrim bahemana afkar kay
		baaghe'yana kheyalat o guftar kay
		chahtay ho keh hur zehn bedaar ho
		tum gunnah'gar ho, haaN gunnah'gar ho!!


I hope you enjoyed it. Will post more as I get time.

Wassalaam

Amar Mahboob
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Deewana bunnana hai to deewana bana day
warna kaheen taqdeer tamashaa na bana day
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: vu0208@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (!)
Subject: Re: 2+2=5
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:35:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.200638.12134@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> smunir@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sohail Munir) writes:
>
>Hi!
>I read an article 'A Mathamatical Fallacy' proving that 2+2=5.
>Here is the proof.
>
>16-36=25-45   (-20=-20)
>
>16-36+(81/4)=25-45+(81/4)
>
>(4*4)-(2)(4)(9/2)+(9/2)(9/2) = (5*5)-(2)(5)(9/2)+(9/2)(9/2)
>
>(4-9/2)sq=(5-9/2)sq
>

ERR!! 

(4-9/2)sq=(5-9/2)sq 

(-1/2)sq=(1/2)sq

1/4 = 1/4  <============= PROVED!


>4-9/2 = 5-9/2
>
>4=5
>
>therefore,
>
>2+2=5
>
>Proved.

Yeah but proved wrong!!




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Date: Saturday, 11 Apr 1992 16:48:06 EDT
From: Mahfooz Ahmed Jafry <32JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: REPEAL THE CONSTITUTION

Salam Alaikum Subhan Shahid Saheb :

      Please do not mind if I write that I cannot talk to 200 people in a day,
I only write on the issue which I think it is important.  But in your article y
ou particularly addressed me so I am writing.

        'Saif andaze bian baat badal deta hai
         warna dunya ki koi baat nai baat nahi

        In your posting you mentioned that Islamelis due to their superb econom
ic conditions were not spot lighted by religious people.  If u know about it, w
hat u did ?  Is there any Islamic government in Pakistan who will take care. Mu
slims are openly writing that 'it is not bad to have pre-marital sex' then

         'Kiya bane baat jahan baat banai na banain'

         'Mera ser sharm say ghuk giya hai'what the non-muslims will think abou
t muslims:  'Kutch bhi paigham Mohammed ka tughe pas nahi'.  Inshallah when
there will be an Islamic government we will take all the isue one by one in han
d and with dignity and with humbles (keeping the spirit of fath mecca) call the
people towards true Islam.

         Whether u observed the monogram of Habib Bank of Pakistan.  Remember i
t belonged to Habib group and they are shia and a human face (Hazrat Ali) with
a lion body (Sher Khuda) is there.  But 'naqqar khane main tooti ki awaz' no bo
dy wants to listen.

          'Boot dawson nai banaya main nai ek mazmoon likha
           Mulk main mazmoon na phaila aur jota chal giya

         If we do darse quran, people do not come (this is fact) and in neighbo
uring apartment Pakistanese 'jum key pi rahain hai'.  what we can do.  If we pr
ay, we call the people towards good, people laught at us.  In the period of Noo
ha (AS), when he was making the boat people used to laugh on him. But Inshallah
:

            'Jazbai kamil salamat dooria manzil na dekh
             wasta moojon say par jayae to phir sahi ne dekh

          Allah Subhanawa give you youth, eduction why do not u come forward an
d write against taghoot, what is possible, please do write.

             'Shayed ke uter jiye teri dil main meri baat'

                                             Apka mukhlis,  salam. Jafry




Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: nadeem@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Aftab Nadeem)
Subject: Re: Asif at Iowa State University
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 04:12:51 GMT

This post is by Kamran Aftab, e-mail to aftab@mech.eng.mcmaster.ca

In article <1992Apr4.190009@IASTATE.EDU> aamir@IASTATE.EDU (Mohammad Asif) writes:
>I am at Iowa State University and my phone no is 515-292-5620.

Can I call collect?   ;-)



-- 
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aftab@mech.eng.mcmaster.ca		<------- that's my e-mail address!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ys3359@sarah.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: 'burqa and muslim women'
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 23:59:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr08.185737.29844@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> ss511583@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Sohban Shahid) writes:
>Bibi  Yasmin ,
>
>Assalam-o-elaikum,
>
>I must say that you have great patience  in reading as  you have read two 
>maulanas books.  The  point  you  missed completely  here  is  that  this 
>maulana  is not  a common  man.  He himself has decided that he will do 
>the thinking for his whole ummah and then the stupid ummah will blindly 
>follow his sermons.  

	I find that it is not really intelligent to criticise the views
	of someone when I don't know them.  I have had discussions about
	purdah many times in the past and the subject of Maulana Maudoodi's
	books inevitably came up.  I could not respond because I didn't
	know a thing about the views of the Maulana beyond the fact that
	his interpretation was quite strict.  Only now that I have
	read his books am I qualified to render an opinion about them.
  
>Your  mistake is that you  are thinking  which is totally 
>not acceptable to maulana or any of his followers.  Person who by any mean 
>is not an expert in genetic engineering  wrote a book on mensuration (sp ?),
>no kidding. Its just like that some guru has written a book name "Maut  ka  
>manzar." and  "Bahishtee  zaiwar."   Your last para was a gem.  Normal 
>people turn out this way but one final question are you against  hijaab in 
>true sense?  Wait for Jafry, hz gonna come 4 u.  Allah hafiz.

	I don't know what you mean about being against hijaab in the
	"true sense".  I do not believe in the traditional view that
	a woman must be covered from head to foot except for her eyes
	and hands.  I do not believe that a woman should be in a
	female-only environment at all times (unless she is with her
	husband or some other non-marryable family member).  I do not
	believe a woman must stay in the home and not work.  I most
	emphatically do not believe that a woman must obey her husband.
	Concerning modesty, I have a personal code of modesty which
	I follow.  I would not presume to impose these rules on anyone
	else and thus do not believe in state imposed rigid dress codes.
  	I think that's between the person in question and the
	deity/conscience they hold dear.

Khudahafiz

Yasmin   

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From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: ANP and JUI Turn Guns on NS: Repurcussions from Afghanistan?
Date: 13 Apr 1992 16:15:10 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
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In article <3366@equinox.unr.edu> zafir@unssun.nevada.edu (Zia Zafir) writes:

:ANP and JUI Turn Guns on Nawaz Sharif: (By Salahuddin Haider and L.A. Siddiqui)
:
:Karachi, March 27 -- Prime Minister Muhammad Nawaz Sharif is facing two-pronged
:attack from his left leaning coalition partners, the Awami National Party of 
:Wali Khan and Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Islam (JUI) in the NWFP and Baluchistan.
:     In the dramatic development last night, five of the ANP ministers stormed
:out ofthe NWFP cabinet meeting demanding an apology from the premier's ruling
:Pakistan Muslim League (PML) party, and JUI demanded that followers of the
:"Zikri Jamat" planning its annual congregation in the coastal Turbut, be
:declared non-Muslims like the Qadianis.


Is there any link between the above confrontation with NS and the
turmoil in Afghanistan. I think the above represents some kind
of jockeying for position, after JI had had assurances from NS ?

Any one more familiar with the terrain?