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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Big Bri)
Subject: 15 day DL...WHY?
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 12:50:24 GMT

Why is it called the 15 day DL when some players stay on it much or
most of the season? For instance, Orel Hershiser was on the 15 day DL
from April 1990 to summer 1991 straight through. I know the teams just
keep renewing putting a player on it but it sounds kind of stupid to say
"Hal Morris was put on the 15 day DL and will be out 4-6 weeks...."

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From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Subject: Re: Really bad, lame-o regulars on WS winners
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 14:43:10 GMT


     YOu forget the right fielder for the Dodgers at the start of the season.
Of course, I forget his name, so I don't blame you (Mike Davis, or something
like that?).  He hit about 25 HRs once in an Oakland uniform, but went to
L.A. and hit a Ruthian .197, with 2-3 dingers. :-) (Well, it was Ruth in '35!)
He's the answer to the question:  Who walked in front of Kirk Gibson's homer in
the 9th inning of game 1 of the '88 WS.  There is not much more memorable
about him.
    The Tigers had a couple really pathetic-hitting shortstops in '68 (Oyler
and Traczewski (sp?)), who hit .135 and .158, or something like that,
respectfully, but I don't know if they should count because all averages were
down that year.  And, I don't know much about their defense; they may have
been capable.  Davis didn't look too good at times for the '88 Dodgers.
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      :    "Every baby born into the world is
Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain
From: mwplau@trillium.waterloo.edu (Michael Lau)
Subject: Could someone post the box score??
Keywords: Status
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 06:00:26 GMT

    Is there some kind of stat/box score in this news group? Or 
    I need to apply for a mailing list. Your info is much appreciated.

    Michael
From: ky0l+@andrew.cmu.edu (King-Han Yao)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Long Outings
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:46:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.odsZuP200WBLQ9qWIY
Distribution: na
Organization: Senior, Economics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 07-Apr-92 in Long Outings                 
user David McDougald@phakt.us writes:
>I was pretty surprised to see the length of the outings by pitchers in the
>Opening Day games.  Only three out of fourteen starters in the games with box
>scores in the LA Times went less than seven innings.  Is anyone else surprised
>by this?  If not, perhaps someone can explain it.  (Please don't explain to me
>why Ramon didn't go seven for LA--I heard the game myself.  Maybe Pedro
will be
>called up at the start of May to replace his brother in the rotation!!)

I think it's because all the pitchers who started on Opening Day are
supposedly the best pitchers on each time.  Thus we have a bunch of
pitchers who are among the best pitchers in the majors, and those
pitchers usually last longer.  

I haven't done any statistical analysis, but I would bet that of average
'innings pitched per start' of the starters that pitched on opening day
is much higher than that of the average 'innings pitched per start' of
all starters.


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King Yao                       
Economics 
Class of '92                   
Carnegie Mellon
From: chen70@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Amazing METS Update
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:09:54 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

FAN MAIL:
Rubahadas (reading message): &%$@#%$!!!!  Who is the idiot who stated that
Greg Maddux is better than any of the Mets' starters??
A^2:  I think it was Dan Quayle.
Rubahadas:  WRONG!  Guess again.  We're talking serious lack of intelligence
here.  Perhaps even a schizophrenic living a double life, in which one 
reality DOES include a Greg Maddux who is more talented than 
any of the Mets' starters. 
A^2 (sighing in desperation):  Uh.............A Chicago windbag.
Rubahadas (a la Ed McMahon):  Yes!  You are correct sir! 

NOTHING PERSONAL!  JUST KIDDING!!


Bang!  Smack!  Crash!  Thump!  Crack!  Thump!  Thump, Thump, Thump...

The preceding noises are:

a)  a secret audiotape released by the alleged rape victim of Dwight, Vince,
and Daryl in Dwight's apartment last spring

b) Jim Essian's whirlwind "gopher ball" waltz through the clubhouse after
 the lowly Phils soundly defeat the Cubbies and prematurely eject 
superstar (NOT!) pitcher Mike Morgan and making Danny Cox(sucker) look
like a winner, which is quite tough to do.

c)  the sounds at Busch Stadium, where the Cards (especially Agosto) were
kind enough to pitch a little batting practice today to the MIGHTY METS.
Donovan "I wanna go back to AA" Osbourne and Juan Agoing-Agoing-Agone Agosto
allowed the METS to round the bases faster than the town whore.

THE CORRECT ANSWER IS...need we even say.  If you think it's A, learn to
read the papers, you illiterate fools! (That team lawyer we were telling you
about is THAT good).
 
By the way, you heard it here first.  ANTHONY YOUNG will be the ROOKIE OF
THE YEAR.  Despite suffering from control problems, lack of normal velocity, 
and 2nd base umpire Frank Pulley's pathetic attempts to distract him, he
was still able to pitch decently and nearly blank the quickly folding Cards.

Surprise!  Surprise!  HOJO took the first step towards his defense of the
NL home run crown with a popup to center field (bleachers).  JUNIOR NOBOA
is awesome. All of a sudden, he's got New Yorkers reminiscing about another
late bloomer boomer, a certain HOJO.  

By the way, notice how the METS are focused on the intangibles of the game;
the baserunning clinic they put on today won't show up in the boxscores,
unless you're counting wins.  Sadly, the Cardinals, who have such a weakling
lineup that they must manufacture runs themselves, could take a few tips
from the MIGHTY METS.

By the way, who the h*ll are the Cardinals kidding with this rotation?
Deleon is good, but Bryn Smith is a softie (and as deceptive as a pitching
machine).  Osbourne was a joke today, and despite his being drafted in the
first round, I was not impressed with him in AAA, and he is obviously
Bush League material.  Omar Olivares thinks he's pretty good, especially 
after Saberhagen, but then I know a lot of fat Penn chicks who think the 
same thing after waking up next to my alcoholic roommate after a night of 
debauchery.   
   Humbly Yours,
          Rubahadas and A^2
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Brewers win by 9th inning Grand-Slam
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:05:01 GMT
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo

A 9th inning grand-slam put the Brewers over the Twins
after leading 5-4 in the 9th.

Agiluera blew his first save of the season.

Rick  had 42 saves last season out of 51 attempts.
Out of the 9 blown saves last season, 3 were against
the Brewers. Looks like  his problems with the Brewers
continue in 92.

s.h
----------------------------------------------------
Win or lose, Forever Twins.....
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From: PA113718@utkvm1.utk.edu
Subject: Re: Chicago White Sox
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 07:31:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.192638.26519@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
mbk45850@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (James Bond) writes:

>
>  	Well, the season has just started and I would like to make a few
>comments.  First, I would like to heartily thank Larry Himes, the Cubs
>GM for making a great trade, in my opinion, to help the White Sox.  People
>can say what they wish, but by getting George Bell for Sammy Sosa and Ken
>Patterson, I think the White Sox seriously ripped the Cubs off. Second, I
>just want to go on record saying that the White Sox are going to win the
>division this year, and probably the World Series. This is their year.
>
>						White Sox in 92,
>
>						Matt
>
Matt, great to encounter another rabid Sox fan on the net.  Keep up the
Cubs bashing!  More seriously, I read a quote by Schuler where he said, if
the Bell deal hadn't gone through, he had another one all worked out for "a
player who would have given them a lot of additional defense, with good offense
(although not up to Bell's level)."  (That's a paraphrase, actually.)  Schuler
said the details would come out some day, but for now he's not saying.  Do
you have any idea who he might be talking about?  Must be a 1B or RF, I'd say.
(Oh yeah, he said it wasn't Barfield.)  Could it have been Mattingly?!  Seems
they'd have had to give up too much.  Well, I'm drawing a blank.  Let me
know what you think or hear.  It's hard keeping up with the Sox down here in
Tennessee, although I subscribe to the Sun-Times (which comes 3-4 days late).
You didn't think I'd give the Trib my money, did you?

      Tom Garritano
      pa113718@utkvm1.utk.edu
From: mjones@FENWAY.AIX.KINGSTON.IBM.COM (Mike Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Trivia: What to the numbers mean...?
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:14:15 GMT
Reply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com

In article <92099.185021GRM100@psuvm.psu.edu> grant writes:
> Here's a bit of trivia from our college paper...
> 
> Give the significance of the number and the player
> who holds the record.
> 
> 1) .424      Highest BA maybe
Highest single season BA (Hugh Duffy).

> 2) 2.17      lowest era
Lowest *career* ERA, probably. Certainly not season ERA.

> 3) 56        \
Consecutive game hit streak (DiMaggio).

> 4) 57        /  Is one of these 50's, Hershisers inning streak
Consecutive scoreless innings (Hershiser).

> 5) 61
Single season home runs (Maris).

> 6) 190
Single season RBI record (Hack Wilson)

> 7) 511
Career wins record (Cy Young).

> 8) 755       HR career?
Career home runs (Aaron)

> 9) 5511      Hits career?   Pete Rose?
Career strikeouts (Ryan, through 1991 season)

> 10) 7
Consecutive game home run streak (single batter)? I think this has been
done several times.

   Mike Jones  |  AIX/ESA Development  |  mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com

March 15, 1912: Cy Young retires from baseball with 511 wins.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: jbs21045@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Joe Sterbenc)
Subject: My Reds be jinxed!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:21:08 GMT

What the hell? Dibble, Sabo, Larkin, and Morris? If you take into account 
Doran's chronically ailing back, the whole $%%$ infield is hurt!

I wonder who will be playing first in Hal's absence...Braggs?

This sucks.....


-- 
============================================================================
Joe Sterbenc - jbs21045@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu & joe-mama@uiuc.edu - U of Illinois
    "With today's gas prices, Marge, we can't afford NOT to buy a pony."
============================================================================
From: km@speedy.cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: I Told You Bonilla Was Worth the Money
Keywords: Seriously:  A Truly Different Mets' Team
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:53:49 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr8.175120.3069@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:

>I do think it's true.  The Pirates never made Bobby Bonilla an offer that
>was competitive at the time they made it.  Doing things like making Bonilla
>an offer, then signing Van Slyke for more money per year than you've
>currently offered Bonilla, is not being serious.

If I remember correctly, they offered Bonilla around 23.5 million within
a couple of weeks of the Mets' and other offers. That offer may not
have been "competitive" but it certainly was serious.


>>He also let it be known that he never gave staying in Pittsburgh
>>any serious consideration. As he paraded through each other major
>>leage city saying he would like to play there (until he hit the next
>>city), he looked silly.
>
>So what?  That's what I don't understand.  Why does anyone care?

Why does anyone care about anything? Bonilla came across to us as
a jerk LONG BEFORE HE LEFT. Your initial point was that Pirate
fans were made BECAUSE HE LEFT. It tried to point out WHY some
Pirate fans were mad, and that it wasn't BECAUSE HE LEFT. Your
response is to change the subject.

>I don't have that feeling at all.  I don't think the Pirates have a chance
>of signing Bonds.

That is probably true because they will not come up with the money. 
I still think if they did, he might stay. Despite the tiff last
year, I think Barry realizes that Leyland is one of the few
managers that would put up with some of his antics. Although since
he appears to have matured, this may be a moot point.


>> When Barry leaves, everyone will miss him, despite
>>the problems he has had, and there will be no Barry-bashing.
>
>Want to bet on that?

I think you have some bitter memories of your years in Pittsburgh.
We are not all total jerks up here.

 -Ken Mitchum
 km@cs.pitt.edu
From: russ@prism.gatech.EDU (Russell Shackelford)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cal Ripken & Money
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:28:50 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <967@netxcom.netx.com>, jwc@netxcom.netx.com (Jeff Comer) writes:
> sasrns@cossack.unx.sas.com (Neal Smith) writes:
> >  So is Cal going to finally go for the bucks at the end of the year?
> >Is he going to end up leaving Baltimore?
>

lotsa folks are nervous due to the no-effort to resign him early.... I'm
nervous about Jacobs too.... but....  I betcha Jacobs and Ripken have
one thing in common: the view that you (a) sign a contract, (b) live
with the contract, then (c) worry about the next contract when the current
one is up.... we'll see what happens but, so far, it's just Ye Old
Work Ethic still in place....

russ
 
-- 
Russell Shackelford
The College of Computing
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA, 30332
russ@cc.gatech.edu         (404) 894-9217
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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: ????? Mookie Wilson
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:42:29 GMT
Organization: Cult of Personality   

In <Apr.16.12.04.51.1992.20544@math.rutgers.edu> aboufade@math.rutgers.edu (Edward F. Aboufadel) writes:

>In <1992Apr15.134828.20422@pica.army.mil>, skitchen@pica.army.mil (D.
>Scott Kitchen (CCAC) <skitchen>) writes:

>>Mookie was traded to the Angels for Dave Gallagher over the break.

>How can this be?  The Mets just traded J. Valera to the Angels for
>Dave Gallagher.

1. Mookie Wilson and Hubie Brooks are not the same person.
2. Dave Gallagher and Dick Schofield are not the same person.

Wilson was released by Toronto and has basically retired.

Brooks was traded to the Angels over the winter for Gallagher.

Valera was traded to the Angels last week for Schofield.

Greg  
-- 
  spira@panix.com       "The one-O delivery to Fisk.  He swings.  Long drive,  
 cmcl2!panix!spira      left field!  If it stays fair, it's gone!  Home Run!"  
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Whitestone NY 11357          (Insert your favorite baseball moment here)
From: CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Falcons Ready for Deion leaving
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:20:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: YaleVM.167CB13A17.CAVGEOE
Organization: Yale University

In article <92107.123933MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu>
mark rieker <MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
 
>
>
>As a Falcons fan and a Braves fanatic, let me put my 2 cents in..
>
I like this distinction between a sport worth following and a sport
worth being fanatical over.  I think I'll use it to describe myself,
if Mark doesn't mind.
 
>1) Deion can make more money as a very good baseball player than as a great
>football player
>
>2) His career will probably last longer in baseball (ask Bo)
>
>3) The Falcons saw this coming.  Last year they traded for All-Pro cornerback
>Tim McKyer, then used their first round pick (#4 overall I think) to draft
>cornerback Carl Pickens from Tennessee, considered the best cornerback in
>last years draft.  The Falcons first two draft day moves were for
>   cornerbacks, I think they see Deion playing baseball permanently
 
All this plus the fact that he'll be playing the greatest sport in the
world, the one in which one can become truly immortal...I mean, who
have more people heard of, Babe Ruth or Red Grange?
 
(Anybody about to put "Red who?" here don't waste your time, we're
all already thinking of this joke, I'm sure. :-))
 
Jeff
 
 
>-------
>========================================================================
>  Mark Rieker   MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu   Go Atlanta Braves!
>                                       1991 National League Champions!!
From: jch@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (jeffrey.c.halle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: NO-HITTERS
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:48:58 GMT
Organization: AT&T

From article <1992Apr16.060429.968@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>, by epstein@sunc7.cs.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein):
> giving up seven walks -- but what if a pitcher had given up one walk,
> followed by a stolen base, a sacrifice bunt, and a sacrifice fly, and
> lost 1-0?  Would you still say he pitched badly?  Well, unfortunately,
> by the current criteria, if he was pitching on the road, he wouldn't
> have gotten the no-hitter.

Actually, this almost happened.  The pitcher gave up a no-harm cheap hit
in the second, and then gave up a run as you described.  (Approximately.
It may have been an error.  But it was a no-hit manufactured run.)  I don't
think there were any other base runners.

Unfortunately, he lost to Koufax's perfecto.
From: SASCHO@mvs.sas.com (SASCHO)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Biased announcers
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:14:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
X-Bytes: 1228

>Are Ken Harrelson and Tom Paciorek the only announcers on TV in the country
>that do such obnoxious things as:
>
>say "Yess!!!" (so professional, aren't they)
>say "He'll grab some bench" about twenty-seven times per game
>say "You can put it on the board" like I control the scoreboard...
>
>Don't just say that they're on an independent station (WGN, SportsChannel
>Chicago).  The ones on WTBS,KPLR, etc. are very professional and unbiased.
>
>We don't need cheerleaders, we want real announcers!
 
I think all announcers for the independent stations are biased towards
the home team. That is their purpose in life, to cover the home team.
Harry Caray is biased and Skip Caray and the Braves crew are biased.
I think the difference is what you mentioned: Harrelson and Paciorek
are obnoxious. Harry Caray is a lovable obnoxious, and Skip Caray
barely has a pulse (don't get me wrong, I enjoy him.), so he is far
from obnoxious. Hawk and Paciorek just grate on me a little more,
although I enjoy their games because of their insight and experience.
 
Now Brent Musberger, there's obnoxious. That's a different story, though
 
 
Chuck Oertli
SAS INSTITUTE INC.
AUSTIN, TX                                   SASCHO@MVS.SAS.COM
From: dae@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.a.elliott)
Subject: Re: A.L. Shortstops (was something else)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:16:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.135857.14054@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.130505.7544@cbnews.cb.att.com> dae@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.a.elliott) writes:
>>While Espinoza is hardly the second coming of Honus Wagner, he was probably
>>in the top half of AL shortstops in terms of over all value last year.  Why
>>Cleveland was able to sign him to a minor league contract, while other teams
>>who should be desparate passed on him, is sort of strange.
>
>Top half of AL shortstops?  That I would doubt.  His defense is above
>average if you go by rep, a 4.95 range factor if you happen to like
>that particular stat (which places him sixth out of twenty six regular
>shortstops last year).

I'm not sure he's quite that good defensively, but above average sounds
right to me.

>But his offense is matched by few.  In 1990, he had a .532 OPS.  In
>1991 he managed a .626 OPS.  His career *high* was .633 in 1989.  His
>career average is .595.  He has no speed, no power, hits for a
>mediocre BA, and doesn't walk.  Not even Manny Lee is less valuable
>with the bat over his career!  Not even Alfredo Griffin is any worse!
>Fermin is the only regular shortstop I can find with a lower career
>OPS.

I wasn't talking about 1990.   I said, last year he was probably in the top
half of all AL shortstops.  Of the 16 AL shortstops logging 500 or more
innings, he was 8th in OPS.  Two of the guys ahead of him (Trammell and
Fryman) played on the same team.  So, only six teams had shortstops who
turned in a better OPS than Espinoza.

>With a rep of "good range but erratic arm", a totally limp bat, and
>no "intangibles" in his favor, why would anybody want Espinoza?

Because he plays in a league where 6 regular shortstops turned in sub .600
OPSs last year.  He's not great (he's not even good), but he's better than
the guys a lot of teams are playing now.  That's all I was pointing out.



Dave Elliott
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