HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Perot's October Surprise
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:42:44 GMT

adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>That Clinton will win one of the most massive popular landslides of all
>time...Bush can hardly do anything to recover at this point...

Bush hasn't even _done_ anything yet and the Demos have just held
their convention.  Let's not forget Carter's 30% lead (which dropped
to just a few percent, 2%?, although he still won), and Dukakis's %20
lead. 

Hell, it's going to be no fun at all if it's not a close race.  The
more damage the Demopubs do to each other the better.
-- 
"The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist"
        -- Ti-Grace Atkinson "Amazon Odyssey" (p. 86)
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:36579 soc.singles:21393 soc.men:13881 soc.women:14331 alt.flame:11511
From: neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.singles,soc.men,soc.women,alt.flame
Subject: Re: What's your KQ?
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:56:30 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <22123@watdragon.waterloo.edu> dmmooney@lion.waterloo.edu (Dave Mooney) writes:
>There's a little bit of Ted Kaldis in all of us.  The amount varies, of
>course, but before now, it was impossible to tell exactly how close one
>came to achieving a complete state of Kaldisdom.  This has now changed,
>because by taking this simple test, you can calculate your Kaldis Quotient
>(KQ), which tells you just how close you are to becoming the official
>Idiot of the Net [tm].
[deleted]
>
>Please answer all questions.  Use an HB pencil.
>
>I.  Heroes.  Please answer yes or no.
>    I agree with the opinions of the following people:
>
>    ___  George Gilder                  ___  William van der Zalm
>    ___  Dan Quayle                     ___  Joey Coors
>    ___  Jesse Helms                    ___  Pat Robertson
>    ___  Ed Anger                       ___  Lyndon Larouche
>    ___  Don Cherry                     ___  Michael Friedman
>
>II.  Anti-heroes.  Please answer yes or no.
>    I disagree with the opinions of the following people:
>
>    ___  Mohandas Ghandi                ___  Jello Biafra
>    ___  Michael Dukakis                ___  Martin Luther King
>    ___  Masters and Johnson            ___  Rev. Ivan Stang
>    ___  Noam Chomsky                   ___  Anybody from Canada
>    ___  Jesse Jackson                  ___  Woodie Guthrie
>

Is this a 'The net Really Does go outside the USA I never knew' American
centred post because I haven't a bastard clue who about 75% of the above
people are.

Regards,

	Neil (who doesn't live in the USA!)


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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen)
Subject: Religious Freedom vs. Gay Rights (was Re: Interesting Revelation)
Organization: Sequoia Peripherals, Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 00:40:25 GMT

In article <11464@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>
>They certainly are hurt, because their right of conscience is denied.
>Fortunately, we have a Constitution that includes a protection of
>freedom of religion, and that would protect those who refused to
>hire homosexuals based on religious beliefs.

That's not at all clear. The Supreme Court has not found an 
unlimited freedom of religion in the first amendment, especially
when this religious freedom is in opposition to a "Legitimate
State Interest." (I believe that was their phrasing.)

The case of a Jew who was not allowed to wear a yarmulke while
in the military and the case of the Native Americans who wanted
to use peyote in religious rituals both came down against the
right to practice your religion when it conflicts with state
laws or military regulations.

You've got a better chance Clayton. The court is more likely 
to be sympathetic to someone claiming that their Christianity 
forbids them from performing certain acts than they were to
members of minority religions. That's a political reality. And
they have already shown their biases in the case where a couple
said that it violated their religion to rent to an unmarried
couple.

But if the court is consistent, they would find that you have to
obey any antidiscrimination law no matter what your religion says.
And who knows how a court of the future would rule on such an
issue.



-- 
Dave Eisen    dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU   Sequoia Peripherals: (415) 967-5644
          	Some of my best friends are men.
        --- Lisa Nee in "American Women Deserve a Tax Break."
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.perot
From: veal@utkvm1.utk.edu (David L. Veal)
Subject: Re: Perot on the issues: week of 7/13/92
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:22:57 GMT

In article <RZR9NB1w165w@major.panix.com> dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea) writes:

>> All this does is force people who have no interest in being there to
>> remain in school, degrading the education of everyone else.

>Really. Schools are okay, I suppose, but a high school (or college) 
>diploma is no guarantee of wisdom - or even intelligence. Last grade I 
>completed was 8th, and I seem to be doing quite well in spite of this 
>so-called handicap.

     Getting through high-school doesn't mean all that much, really.  (And 
on the flip side, getting thrown out doesn't mean anything but you couldn't 
play by their rules.)
 
     But in today's society, that scrap of paper is important, for whatever 
reasons.  


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|                                     Division of Continuing Education    |
| Statistics are any data which can be twisted to support your posititon  | 
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,rec.autos
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Ban the Killer of 300,000 (losing your cars)
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:19:54 GMT

pswanson@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Paul Swanson) writes:
>More control?!  When was the last time you tried to drive somewhere
>without the use of a road?  It seems to me that if it weren't for
>government cars would be useless in the first place.

Really.  Without the super-intelligent government to build all these
roads for us, we'd all be too stupid to realize that we wanted roads,
much less come up with the concept, and even with all the demand there
wouldn't be anyone who was willing to build roads...  Not a chance.
-- 
Life is a game of bridge - and you have just been finessed.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
From: foy@aero.org (Richard Foy)
Subject: Fable on Aids
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:02:11 GMT

                                God's Help

God looked down on his Planet Earth. He reflected on the creature who he
had created in his own image. He thought about the gift he had given that
creature, who had called themselves men. Free will, was it a blessing or a
curse. He was disturbed. He thought how man had defied his will. He
reflected on what to do.

AIDS appeared on earth. It first appeared amongst those who preferred
sexual relations with their own kind. But the Shakers and Movers did
nothing. For they knew that it was God's will.

Then it appeared among the drug users. Again the Shakers and Movers did
nothing.  For they knew it was God's will.

Then it appeared among the people of Africa. Again the S and Ms did
nothing.  The Africans frequented prostitutes, and they knew it was God's
will.

Then it appeared amongst those who, in the eyes of the S and Ms, had not
sinned. The S and Ms started to do something. But it is late.

The self righteous had plans for what the government should do to protect
those who were not sinners.

Then a new unknown form of AIDS appeared. Now the S and Ms were confused.
They thought they knew about AIDS.

God looked done from his heaven and said all is going according to plan. He
thought about his gift of speech. Was it a blessing or a curse? Did it give
the ability to create or did it give the ability to delude oneself? God
thought about the information he planted for man in the evolutionary
record. He thought about dimorphism.

Then another new form of the AIDS virus appeared. This one was airborne. It
spread like the flue virus of World War I. It came for the self righteous
and the Shakers and Movers. It spared almost no one. But it spared a few. It 
spared those who had lived in accord with God's plan. It spared those who
lived their lives with compassion for others. It spared those who respected
all of God's creations. It spared those who read God's record for
themselves. It spared those who judged not. It spared those who lived
according to God's plan. For these were all one and of one mind. They knew
that God spoke to them through there own inner voice and not through the
words of the self righteous.

God looked down on Planet Earth and liked what he saw.

Richard Foy           Standard Disclaimer







Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: Re: USPS (Was: Question about Clinton's "didn't inhale" remark)
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<-hfmzh_.crisp@netcom.com> <1483@cogsci.ucsd.EDU>
	<rdippold.711837512@cancun> <45552@shamash.cdc.com>
	<ATAYLOR.92Jul24113658@gauss.nmsu.edu>
	<barrett.712247509@cc.gatech.edu>
	<ATAYLOR.92Jul27170333@gauss.nmsu.edu>
	<barrett.712285242@cc.gatech.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:02:25 GMT

<In article <barrett.712285242@cc.gatech.edu> barrett@cloudgen1.gatech.edu (James Barrett) writes:
<   ><In article <barrett.712247509@cc.gatech.edu> barrett@cloudgen1.gatech.edu (James Barrett) writes:
<   ><ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:
<   ><><In article <45552@shamash.cdc.com> paul@svl.cdc.com (Paul Kohlmiller) writes:
<   ><><   rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:

<I never said it wasn't a federal entity, only that it *does* pay for itself.
<The Postal Service will remind you time and time again every time it asks
<for a rate increase that it doesn't receive federal money.

	Oh, all those buildings just appeared from the sky?
	The USPS is a government protected monopoly.
	The USPS is STILL benefiting from years of goverment
	subsidy.

[fusses about UPS]
  > 
<   >	Not in my experience.

<   So?  How wide is your experience?  

	What difference does it make?
	Are you asserting that my experience is somehow null and
	void because it doesn't agree with your pro-monopolistic
	screed?
	
<I was just offering an alternative 
<   view of this wonderful company you offer up as an alternative to the USPS.
	
	It IS an alternative to USPS with respect to packages.
	However, what is the alternative to your precious
	USPS with respect to 1st class mail, please?
 
<  I think you'll find that they care as little about quality as govt-run
<   businesses.

	Not in my experience. USPS locally closes at 4:00 on the
	dot; UPS is open until 6:00. UPS will try several times
	to deliver parcels, USPS has given me ONE notice and
	sent things back.

	And you DO have an alternative to UPS, right?

<   ><  (I work for a company which does warranty repair service through UPS 
<   ><   delivery.)  I have certainly seen UPS lose many, many parcels.
<   >	Tell me, if your company is displeased with UPS, why
<   >	not switch services? Try Airborne or Federal Express;
<   >	you have a choice, exercise it!

<   We're considering.  I'm not involved in the decision, however.

	Shrug. Looks like a personal problem, then.
	Take it up with the chaplain....or the Postmaster General.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: Bush/Baker Ticket??
Originator: rja@redwood26
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Distribution: usa
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:37:56 CDT


In article <64114@hydra.gatech.EDU>, jbutterf@mal-s1.gatech.edu (Jill Butterfield) writes:
> 
> There's a rumor going around here that Baker's first task to help
> out the Bush campaign is to kick Quayle out, and that Baker plans
> on running for VP.
> 
> Has anyone else heard this? It could really add another interesting
> dimension to this already topsy-turvy race.

My brother is saying that (although he is not sure if the VP would be
Kemp, Schwartzkoff, Colin Powell, or Baker).  His logic is much the 
same as Clinton's in pushing the party to the center.  Clinton knows
that "the left" has no where else to go (and while some may sit out,
he'll pick up more from the center).  Clinton can scare most of "the 
left" into voting for him by saying the alternative is four more years
of Bush (goodbye Roe-v-Wade).

Bush is in a similar position with "the Right".  They have no where to 
go.  They may get pissed (or more pissed) at Bush, but Bush will still
be better, in their eyes (pro-life), than Clinton.  I think many on "the
right", feeling that Bush is going down anyway, would go along with dumping
Quayle because then they can distance themselves (the conservative name
and the Reagan legacy) from the Bush failure.

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Question about Clinton's "didn't inhale" remark
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:40:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.035951.8389@news.Hawaii.Edu> blais@milo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Kristin Blais) writes:
>paid, and there were a lot of inconsistencies in her story 
>such as the fact that she talked about his favorite 
>wines and liquors despite the fact that it is *well*
>known that he doesn't drink because he's a Southern Baptist
>and because of his step-father's alcoholism. Clinton didn't

Actually, Bill Clinton does drink, but only very occasionally
(according to his own statement on Arsenio Hall).  He didn't try
alcohol until he was in college.  During the interview with Arsenio
Hall, Arsenio said something to the effect of, "And you don't drink,
either . . . " and Bill corrected him, stating that he would
occasionally have A drink or a glass of wine.

Hardly what you'd call a heavy drinker, though, by any stretch of the
imagination. 


-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:36704 alt.individualism:4775 alt.activism:13768
From: ald@clipper.ingr.com (Al Date)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:23:00 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

In article <nlkrssk@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.013635.22037@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>
>>  Basically, just because I'm a white het male doesn't mean you can tar me
>>  with the same brush as you do other individuals who happen to be white,
>>  het, and male.
>
>I don't think that white heterosexual males are inherently bad people.  I
>just think that they have much less understanding of discrimination than
>any other group.
>

Would that include white hetero Jewish males?

>
>>  Defensive? You bet.
>
>I'll tell you something that you are not going to like, and I bet that almost
>any woman or gay man you ask will agree with me:
>
>There is one group of people who frighten me more than any other (if I see
>them on the street, I will get the fuck into a safe place):  heterosexual
>males between the ages of 16 and 25.
>
>Do you fall in that group?  Do you understand why I am afraid of them?
>

So what is the solution?  10 years of jail for all young males found
hanging around on street corners?

I cant conceive of any govt action which would make your world 
a safe place.  If the govt had the power to keep all young
males indoors, this kind of power would lead to obvious
abuses which most of us would fear even more.  

If some people have hateful reactions to you through no fault of your
own, then you have to either 

  1. Be prepared to defend yourself.
  2. Arrange your life in such a way as to avoid such confrontations.

Govt cannot protect you from all imaginable possibilities.  In this regard,
there is little difference between a libertarian govt and the 
kind of govt that we have now.

Clearly, there will be times when people behave irrationally or hatefully,
but until they commit some harmful crime, the govt cannot punish them.
This is, of course, after-the-fact from the victim's perspective.
But the bottom line is that the cops cant protect you.

That's why we have the Second Amendment, and karate classes.


--Al Date
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Supercollider "For" or "Against"
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:48:23 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Jul27.151206.17220@dscomsf.desy.de> Poser@vxdsyc.desy.de writes:
>In article <01GMUWFKMPZK001FEW@utarlg.uta.edu>, B645ZAW@UTARLG.UTA.EDU 
>(Stephen Tice) writes:
>|>I may type in a fuller treatment of the data-handling problem later in
>|>the week. {Mr. Austern, will also want to take note.} I said that the
>|>figure being "bandied about" is a "Terabyte per nanosecond," and
>
>In all the below kvetching I fail to see how You arrive at the Tbyte/ns
>figures.
>
>|>submit the following teasers. From the Conference Record of the 1991
>|>IEEE Nuclear Science Symposium and Medical Imaging Conference, Nov.
>|>2-9, 1991, Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA, vol 2 of 3...
>|>
>|>  "Data Acquisition Studies fro the Superconducting Super Collider"
>|>  by Milner, Booth, Botlo, Dorenbosch, and Wang of the Physic Research
>|>  Division of the SSC, and Idate, Kappor, and Raj of the University of
>|>  Texas, p. 929:
>|>
>|>    The collider will provide a beam crossing every 16 ns, with a mean
>|>    of 1.6 collisions per crossing (100 mb cross section) occuring at
  

 . . . blah, blah, blah
 

 Oh, Jeezus!     If you're going to post this to talk.politics, then
 at least do us the courtesy of addressing the POLITICAL side of the 
 issue, which is:  *Why* should we taxpayyers fund this?   I asked this 
 question before and got NO response.

 I'm not saying categorically that we shouldn't but I'm leaning that
 way because we have a huge budget deficit and many pressing problems 
 that need more immediate attention, and that should add up to a "no"
 regardless of ones perceptions of the role of government.

 Last week John Silber had an editorial in the Wall Street Journal 
 in favor of the Supercollider.  He cited spinoff's in areas of 
 transportation, energy, construction and subcontractor spending, etc.
 But none of his suggested advantages were a result of the high-energy
 physics research itself; they were engineering and economic results
 of *building* the project!    So if THAT's the reason to do this
 why not spend the money directly on those other things (if you're
 into that kind of government activity)?    


---peter


 


Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: It's A Long Time 'Till November, Folks
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:05:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.194219.21178@usl.edu> pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M) writes:
>	A lot can happen between now and the election.
>
>	Just ask Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, and Michael Dukakis.
>
>
>					Another Friendly Reminder From,
>
>					Gerard Vignes

A sign of worry from Mr. Vignes!

Each campaign is a little different, no?  As had been said many many times,
Clinton is a far stronger campaigner than either Mondale or Dukakis.  He's
trying to put together the moderate coalition that brought Carter into
power in '76 (which Carter subsequently splintered).  And the Republicans
have just SOOOO many good things to point to.



Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:35480 alt.politics.clinton:398
From: msheldon@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Marti Sheldon)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Which of you is 'good enough' ?
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:42:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA


>Just out of curiosity...

>Could my fellow 'netters' answer these two questions (please post)

>1) how old are you ?

30, not quite old enough yet

>2) could your history survive the media scrutiny required to be
>   elected president ?

Absolutely, but most people would call me a prude.
However, I would never be elected - at least not for many many years.
I am female and I am Jewish.


Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Drills (was Re: College Pranks)
Keywords: Ditch Day, vanishing room
Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: DESY ZEUS Central Data Acquisition
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:13:54 GMT

In article <Bs1D0p.ED0@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>,
neufeld@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Christopher Neufeld) writes:

|>In article <4098@news.duke.edu> klg@panda.mc.duke.edu (Kim Greer --
|>rjj) writes:
|>> Speaking of drilling, has anyone else heard this story? :
|>>
|>>  - Americans (around the time of WWII, for some reason) proudly show
|>off
|>>	their very small drill bit as example of fine craftsmanship
|>>
|>>  - send aforementioned drill bit to German engineers
|>>
|>>  - Germans send drill bit back with a hole drilled through long axis
|>of bit
|>>
|>>I've heard it a couple of other times in the last 25
|>>years or so, but of course, no one ever seems to know any details.
|>>
|>   I heard this a couple of years ago, but it supposedly happened
|>more
|>recently, and the clever opponents were Japanese, not German. I think
|>the
|>hole was supposedly drilled transversely, across the shaft, rather
|>than
|>down the length of the shaft.

Completely off the point (geddit? smirk, smirk, canned laughter), but
it's more fun that writting thesis:-

I remember the famous Robin Day interview where he accused the Japanesse
trade minister of copying British inventions. To prove his point he
brought out a box of an English product and the infernal Japanese copy.
The item he chose was ball bearings. The Minister looked at said ball
bearing and determined that both were indeed precisely spherical and in
fact the same size, then got a bit pissed off with the bow tied twit.

So there you have it: Britains great contribution to mechanical
engineering, the round ball bearing.

BTW, on the dril bit, stll can't work out which is harder, the
logitudinal or transverse cut. Longitudinaly you have a better starting
point (it's flat). However it would be very tricky to drill in the
actual cutting part. Perhaps you could support it in some way? Could
some engineer tell us the textbook method for drilling holes in drills?

Phill
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics