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From: istre@ricevm1.rice.edu
Subject: Re: Whose fans are most frustrated?
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:47:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.185404.4494@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
dansmith@mcopn2.dseg.ti.com (Dan Smith) writes:
 
>
>In article 3660@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud) writes:
>>In article <16B4DDF49.ISTRE-A@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> istre@ricevm1.rice.edu writes:
>>>I would like to cast my vote for the fans who have suffered the most. I am
>>>talking about their team having high expectations only to falter in the
>>>end. I will call this the "Most Frustrated Fans" award.
>>>
>>>The nominees are:
>>>
>>>1): Denver Broncos fans - The Broncos have been to the playoffs countless
>>>2): Minnesota Vkings fans - Same as Denver. At least, they had a chance in
>>>3): Cleveland Browns fans - Numerous AFC title game appearances only to have
>>>4): Buffalo Bills fans - Won AFC East every year for last five years and 2
>>>5): Houston Oilers fans - Nine playoff appearances since 1978 but only 4
>>
>>>And the winner is ---- you guessed it, Houston Oilers fans. And yes, you
>>>guessed it, I am an Oilers fan. What else can you say when your team has
>>>made the playoffs six years in a row without a least making it to the
>>>title game at least once. At least the Broncos, Vikings, and Bills have
>>>made it to the Super Bowl and the Browns have made it to the title game.
>>>
>>>OK, I apologize, After all, I am only venting off some 20 years of play-
>>>off anger and frustration.
>>
>>
>>I would include Green Bay on this list as well, even though I think I agree
>>with you on the winner.  Granted, the teams you have chosen all were succussful
>>and never won the Super Bowl.  I think that 25 years of nothing but sorry draft
>>picks, one division title (20 years ago), and two playoff appearances count for
>>something.  I also remember several 8-8 seasons where 9-7 would have won them
>>the division.
>>
>
> I would like to include Saints fans to this list, please. How many losing seasons
> in a row? The, we finally get a coach and some players to get us to the playoffs
> and what happens? Every fucking year we make the playoffs and lose the first game
> regardless of opponent (see Atlanta last year). Pretty frustrating.
 
My apologies for excluding the Saints. I root for the Saints after the Oilers
and the Cowboys and it never occurred to me that their fans have endured a
lot. First 20-plus years without a playoff appearance and then four playoff
appearances in six years without a win. And all but one of those losses were
in the Superdome. Hmmmm, maybe Oilers' fans do not win this award after all.
 
As for the Packers, If there was an award for "Most Die-Hard Fans", their
fans would get my vote hands down although Browns fans would warrant a lot
of consideration. Every Packers' home game I have seen is always full in
spite of the fact that the Packers have had so-so teams for years. Let's
not forget about the long waiting list for season tickets (which I was told
when I was in Green Bay several years ago is FIVE years).
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From: tak@tazboy.jpl.nasa.gov (Tom Kreitzberg)
Subject: Eagles One Game from Super Bowl
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:48:32 GMT


If the Eagles beat the Cowboys next week, they'll go to the Super
Bowl. They got more out of the loss during the season to the 49'ers
than the 49'ers got from the win, and there is no chance that they
will lose a second time. If it's Washington, then it's at Vet Stadium,
and the Eagles will not lose in Vet Stadium, particularly to the
Redskins. They can't. They just couldn't do that to me.

	Tom
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From: jjungbau@luke.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: SNL Superfans abandon da Bears in wake of Ditka firing
Originator: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 08:26:40 GMT

A recent poster was asking about what the folks at Saturday Night Live
would do now that Ditka has been canned.  Well, for those who didn't 
see the show, it opened with a skit in which the Superfans were writing
a letter to the Bears, informing them of their displeasure with the firing,
which was enough to kill one member of the gang (the one played by Chris
Farley), who suffered his most massive heart attack to date when he heard
the news.  They also said that they would be returning several previously
cherished Bears souvenirs, along with all of their season tickets for the
years 1993-2032. :-D

Jim 
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From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: Re: Coughlin refuses NY Giants Coaching Position
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:44:53 GMT

ALN - Go Giants! (Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU) wrote:
> In article <1993Jan6.153041.28122@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>
> >Offer youself to JPG, the Football Gods conduit, the ultimate SACRIFICE 
> >for a young maiden. :-) Okay, I sorry. I couldn't resist this one
> >Ms. UTRA PSYCHED G's FAN! :-)
> >>

> NO FAIR!  You're a 9er FAN, YIKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKES, your just a conduit to the 
> Football DEMONS, you BEAST!

> Football GODS, FORGIVE him, he knows not what he says, hear my prayers!

> Damn, where is my net.football.savior when I NEED him?

Hey , don't look at me! I've got a bit of swimming to do (like the
atlantic ocean or the pacific ocean) before i can help!

But anyway, lets do a 9er QB raid! Lets see, well take Bono to replace
Hoss, Well take Montana because..... errr, because he's Montana, help
Phoenix to sign Steve Young (we'll have an ULTRA dominant NFC East then!),
and lets see... Give Hoss to SF (Ha! Maybe they can teach him how to throw
a forward pass that a reciever can catch).

PLUS : We'll take Glanville from the Falcons, move Siefert to Atlanta and
give SF Ray Handley and Rod Rust!  ALRIGHT!!!!! :)


> >>ESPN says he is WAY interested!  Keeping my fingers crossed in 
> little >>knots, please, please, please.......  I dont think I can take the 
> suspense >>too much longer.
> >>
> >I know of a way to loosen your tension and make you relax your little
> >knots and release your suspense. Answer: go bungee jumping! Guaranteed
> >to make you forget about such mundane things as selecting football
> >coaches. ARRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

> No thanks, but can I fly to CA and PUSH you off a cliff without the 
> bungee cord??? ;-)  Just kidding. :-)   :-)

> Then again, I might just bungee off Giants Stadium to please the FBGods!  
> Now theres a sacrifice!

How about 'pushing' Rod Rust off from The Meadowlands? Bungee cable excluded?

tata

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From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: What the Saints need:  A better offensive line?
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:20:49 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

A better offensive line?  They gave up 15 sacks all season, an NFL-low
by a wide margin (the Cowboys were second with 22).  What they need is
a more skilled running back, and a less scatter-shooting quarterback.

Daniel Welch
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From: macole@wam.umd.edu (The Dude)
Subject: Re: Buffalo Congrats--Hey Vikings..Get Reich!!!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:28:13 GMT

In article <!272hl@rpi.edu> root@june.cmp.rpi.edu (J.R. Ordon) writes:
>Hey Vikings fans,
>In light on Reich's performance on Sunday, and the Non-performance of
>the Vikes non-QB's, I think the vikes should have Frank Reich on the top
>of their QB shopping list.
>
They should put Ernest Byner on the top of the QB shopping list. :-)
 or anybody else with a pusle.

Mario

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From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Is the run-and-shoot finished?
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:58:42 GMT

In article <1i9u0tINNm7n@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>
skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:

[a bunch of crap about the Oilers deleted]

Hey Tim, 
How about concentrating on your cant do nothing wrong cowboys and quit the
Oiler bashing. Its old news. Geez if dallas can play half as good as you can
gloat, they have the SB wrapped up.

>
>GO Cowboys !!!!
>tim
>
>
>



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NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

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From: rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SNL Superfans abandon da Bears in wake of Ditka firing
Date: 10 Jan 93 13:26:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ditka Policy Institute

In article <1993Jan10.082640.9453@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@luke.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>A recent poster was asking about what the folks at Saturday Night Live
>would do now that Ditka has been canned.  Well, for those who didn't 
>see the show, it opened with a skit in which the Superfans were writing
>a letter to the Bears, informing them of their displeasure with the firing,

[...]

The skit also included a cameo from Ditka himself, who (among his other
lines) announced the "start" of the show by delivering the "Live from
New York: It's Saturday Night!" line.

---Rsk
From: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SF Bashing
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:50:59 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1ico5gINN9ii@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>,
skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds) wrote:

> Candlestick IS NOT a good place tp play, a stupid city that builds a 
> stadium three feet below sea level. It doesn't rain there for two years
> yet, you always see mud flying up in the air when someone does a running
> play, the stadium is a dump. Plus most GOOD teams have a city that
> will build them their own arena and they dont have to share it with a 
> bunch of over payed stickball players.

I'm with you here.
 
> Last time I looked the 9ers didn't even make the play-offs last season
> so after you WIN a game this year then you can talk. Besides if the 
> Redskins beat you Sat the Superbowl will go through Dallas, Philly or Wash.

Here we part since the niners STILL had a better record than many teams
that DID make it last year.  So I don't put much stock in that statement. 
The NFC West is a tough division.


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From: macole@wam.umd.edu (The Dude)
Subject: S.F. vs. Dallas --> NFC Bash-off
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:36:51 GMT


Well folks, it's down to S.F. vs. Dallas in the NFC Bash-offs!  The Eagles
hung in tough with some great comebacks, but it was not enough.  While the
Dallas fans spend time rubbing it in...the S.F. fans are revving up their
bash-engines and are off the blocks with a bang.  What seemed to be such a 
mild-manner set of fans...is becoming blood-thirsty and sensitive.  Can the
Dallas fans take advantage of this weakness...or will their inexperience in
playoff bragging be their downfall?  Stay tuned for more...

He's baaaacckk!

"If the Niners win, will Joe Montana go to Disney World again? Or will he opt
to try out DisneyLand this time?"

"If he chooses Disney World...can the Cowboys come along...after all...being
young and inexperienced has its advantages."

"If the Cowboys win, can they have Homey the Clown at their party?"

"Can Emmitt run on grass, like Dexter Manley did on coke?"

"Is there anyone left on the Niners that Charles Haley likes?"

"Can the Niners stop Haley's Comet?"

"Can the 'Boys eat Rice-a-roni?"

"Can a #1 Defense beat a #1 Offense?  How about a #2 Offense against a # > 2
Defense?"

"Can a #3 QB out-pass a #1 QB?  How about a #1 RB against a # > 1 RB?"

"Whose mouth is bigger...Michael Irvin or Mick Jagger?"

"Whose head is bigger...Dallas fan or Niner fan?"

"Who has a better hair-do...Jimmy Johnson or George Seifert (sp)?"

I'm outta here......

Mario

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From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Chargers' season goes down in the rain
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:35:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: what.. me.. organized?


SAN DIEGO 0  DOLPHINS 31

My congrats to the Miami team for a nice victory.
I'll be pulling for the AFC to beat the NFC in Pasadena.

Boy was this an ugly game for the Chargers and their fans. Shula had 2 weeks
to pick apart SD's weaknesses, and he had the personnel to execute that
game-plan to perfection. 

Weakness #1: SD had no guy who matched up with Keith Jackson. Seau is
too valuable to have to cover Jackson all the time. The other LBs Rolling
and Plummer are too slow. The SS is a 2nd year pro, and the secondary is
young. Jackson surprised them by going on deep patterns when they were 
expecting short ones. In fact, SD lost on both sides of this matchup. They
have no sure-handed TE on this team. Young is a blocking TE, and Walker 
keeps dropping passes. 

Weakness #2: The WRs. Miami had athletes who matched up with them.
Lewis, Miller and Jefferson made mental and physical mistakes. They 
either forgot to look back, or come back to the football  [thus keeping
separation between them and the CB], or had balls go through their hands.
Miller has speed to kill for, but is inconsistent at catching the ball. 
Mia was crowding the line with 8 guys to stop the run. Thats when SD had 
to make the passing game work. They didn't. The WRs kept dropping passes,
& Humphries was misfiring. No running, no passing. And for a 10 minute span
in the 2nd Q, the whole team seemed to lose its poise. A TE who makes the 
big 3rd down plays was the answer. SD had none. Mia had arguably the best
in the NFL.


SD will be back, if they can keep the core intact in the off-season. They 
are young, and as I said before, they are still a season away. A better 
schedule with tougher teams will make them battle tested for playoff battles
like the one yesterday. The young secondarys' inexperience was covered up
through most of the season by the pass rush, but on Sunday, Marino picked
them apart. The Mia O Line was playing well and SD had to blitz in the 2nd Q,
thats the sign things are not going well. 

Beathard will have to address his personnel needs in the draft and free-agent
market. IMO, their needs are at WR, TE, a veteran DB, a quick LB..
There are a number of good young WRs coming out of college this year. SD will
have somebody among Dawkins, Conway, that-UofGeorgia-WR (I can't recollect 
the name). Of these I like Dawkins if Cal the best, but he probably won't last
till the 23rd pick. Of course, Beathard may go after some free-agents if 
Spanos opens up. Reggie White? #) 


GO CHARGERS..



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From: timl@zulu.mti.sgi.com (Tim Layman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SF Bashing
Keywords: SF, Philadelphia, Dallas ...
Date: 6 Jan 93 03:05:31 GMT
Reply-To: timl@mti.sgi.com
Organization: Mips Technologies Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: zulu.mti.sgi.com

In article <1ico5gINN9ii@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>,
skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:
|> In article <1icm7jINN8nt@spim.mti.sgi.com> anjaneya@m20_anjaneya.mti.sgi.com
|> (Anjaneya Thakar) writes:
|>  
|>  >
|> 
|> I put this guy up for
|> JERK OF THE YEAR !!!!!
|> tim

	Tim,

	The year is still young. ;^)

	Tim L.

Go 9er's!!
From: aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Football Helmets for MS WIndows
Date: 12 Jan 1993 23:29:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Does anyone know if there are some PD BMP files of NFL helmets that I can grab?
I'd appreciate any info!

Mike
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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Coughlin new Head Coach of Giants
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:58:11 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Acoording to ESPN, Boston College head coach Tom Coughlin was given 
the job of heasd coach of the New York Giants yesterday.  Also according
to the report, Coughlin has not yet accepted the job was "wanted to be
notified as soon as possible as he didn't want to compromise B.C.s chances
next year by leaving too late."  

Now remember, this is all according to ESPN (the same folks who bought you
the Dave Wannstedt rumour).

If Coughlin does indeed get the job, look for the GIANTS to fall way down
before picking up again as his offensive scheme is quite complex and is 
built around the type of players that the GIANTS don't have (i.e. getting
away from the running game to a passing offense).

satish nair
ray is gone!
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From: wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski)
Subject: Re: Greatest Moment....Bears
Organization: Warner Lambert / Parke-Davis
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:59:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.192455.11200@oakhill.sps.mot.com> millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com writes:
>One I remember 'watching' with my father and uncle many years ago...
>
>Bears are in overtime, and they are receiving. The receiver promptly
>runs the ball back for a touchdown. i believe this is one of the shortest
>overtime periods on record.
>
>Can anyone give me the name of the returner and the opponent?
>>>The opponents were the Detroit Lions and it was on THanksgiving Day 1979.
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Reich DOES it again and Sharpe is slighted
Date: 6 Jan 1993 21:10:24 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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Keywords: comebacks

In article <1ifdeuINN65b@rodan.UU.NET> smm@rodan.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield) writes:
>>11/10/84 31 pts  Maryland 42, Miami 40 (41-0, 12:35 left in 3rd Q)
>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I didn't think it was possible for a team to lose points... 8-)
>
>And I think you meant 41-10, 12:35 left in 3rd
>
   Well then, Steve, they would have lost points. I think you meant 31-0,
   12:35 left in the third. :)

   Regardless, I always thought Reich was a hell of a backup and his 
   wonderful second-half performance against Houston did nothing to
   dispell that.

   So, was anyone else disappointed that Sterling Sharpe was voted to be
   the 4th best offensive player. Shit, the guy has one of the best years
   by a receiver (if not the best) in the history of the game and he's
   still 4th best this year. It shows just how much market size and team
   success has to do with these votes. This of course isn't taking away
   from the tremendous seasons Young and Smith had. 

   --salty


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From: jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Martin)
Subject: Re: Bills/Oilers: Home field edge? / Todd Christensen
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 23:37:02 GMT

In article <sterbenc-040193103116@150.130.23.185> sterbenc@ivhs.mot.com (Joe Sterbenc) writes:
>To write off the 18-on-11 advantage Buffalo enjoyed during the second half
>yesterday as home field advantage is an insult to home fields everywhere.
>
>The referees gave Buffalo a BIG headstart on their historic comeback,
>[...]

I agree there exist the usual somewhat-subtle advantages the home team often
has, but the Bills-Oilers game took this to a new level (even worse than a
particular 3-point loss the Supersonics had to a certain NBA-leading team
down south a couple weeks back, but that's a whole 'nother story).  I am
neither a Bills nor an Oilers fan, and I even dislike Houston more, but the
Oilers were just plain ripped -- especially that "interception" in the OT. 
Nothing more to it...

>By the way, this game confimed my sneaking suspicion that Christensen (sp?)
>is the best announcer NBC has. He was terrific all day long, with one slip
>when he and Charlie got a bit schmaltzy before the OT started.
This hit me as well (I guess I missed their 'schmaltzy slip').  I had all
but lost hope in the networks' ability to find a decent group of
announcers until Christensen (correct sp) was hired on.  Just excellent
work, day in, day out (much akin to Bob Costas' amazing consistency in the
studio).

All IMHO, of course...

John
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