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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: BTAS 11/16: Heart of Steel
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:53:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: qualcom.rdippold.722026429
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

"Kevin J. Chen" <kc2w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Looks like the record for episodes of BTAS with "Heart of..." in the
>title is pretty good... :)

>Did anyone else think that the animation style in this episode was
>"different"?  It wasn't the very polished animation we saw in P.O.V. or
>Heart of Ice, but I thought it was good.  Certain scenes with Bats in
>the low-lighting struck me as very impressive indeed.

Yeah, it was a change at least.  They made more use of detailed
painted work for some of the static shots, such as Bats up close.


>I thought the episode had a standard, but fun, plot (if you ignore the
>prehensile robot tentacles -- I *hate* those).  I was especially tickled

This plot was very action packed - a LOT happened in a half hour,
especially when you compare to other BTAS scripts, yet it didn't seem
rushed.  I like it.

And speaking of the robots, so far there's been no outrageous basic
errors regarding robotics / computers, and no pandering.  A few
stretches necessary for the plot, but nothing impossible or really
stupid.  And when the robot girl used her x-ray eyes, she didn't say,
as she would have in most cartoons, "I'll use my x-ray eyes to look
through the walls now!" just so we won't get confused if we had the IQ
of a turnip.

The one things that really bothers me about computers in BTAS is the
keyboards - big blocky tightly-packed squares?  And there aren't
enough keys for a full alphabet, numbers, and all the punctuation, so
they must be doing something funny to enter data.  Plus, the style
forces a hunt a peck usage, as the keys are too big for regular
typing.  Surely _one_ of the animation companies has drawn a
typewriter keyboard before?
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From: neil@celia.UUCP (Neil Richmond)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: ANIMATION: anybody here actually animate?
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:14:54 GMT
Reply-To: celia!neil@usc.edu (Neil Richmond)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

yes.

-- 

" Give a skeptic an inch and he'll measure it. "
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From: walkerjo@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: OLD Spider-Man
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Date: 15 Nov 92 14:44:50 PST



Watching Saturday Night Live last night, I was suddenly and unexpectedly
exposed to a piece of my childhood.  In the middle of the news, some guy
I've never seen before doing a bit on "Election Coverage For Morons"
started reciting the lyrics to the theme song from "Spider-Man":

Spider-Man, Spider-Man
Does whatever a spider can
Spins a web, any size
Catches thieves, just like flies
Look out!
Here comes the Spider-Man...

Wow.  It's been years since I thought about this show, but I distinctly
remember loving it as a kid.  If I remember right, it was kind of like BTAS
in that it used a LOT of villains from the comics: I remember Doc Ock, the
Rhino, the Lizard...memories...light the corners of my mind...
Um, sorry.  Anyway, this blast from the past leads me to wonder if anybody
out there knows anything about this show: who made it, when it was on, and
especially if there are any tapes available.  Thanks!

In the chill of night,
At the scene of a crime
Like a streak of light
He arrives, just in time!
Spider-Man, Spider-Man,
Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man,
To him, life is a great big hang-up
Wherever there's a hang-up
You'll find the Spider-Man!!!!

Say...could these be more of the infamous Stan Lee lyrics???

Joe Walker
walkerjo@cgsvax.claremont.edu

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From: atzachar@unix.amherst.edu (Aladdin)
Subject: Re: Cruella Deville
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:40:50 GMT

RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu wrote:
> Does anyone know the lyrics to the song "Cruella Deville".
> 
> And does anyone else have any thoughts on the name of the baddie in this movie
> which really sounds like Cruel Devil to me.
> 
> Isn't that a pretty harsh play on words?

Cruella Deville, Cruella Deville,
If she doesn't scare you, no evil thing will,
To see her is to take a sudden chill,
Cruella, Cruella Deville.

The glare in her look, the ice in her stare,
Innocent children, you better beware,
She's like a spider waiting for the kill,
Cruella, Cruella Deville.

First, you think she's a devil,
And after time has worn away the shock,
You come to realize, you've seen her kind of eyes,
Watching you from underneath a rock.

A vampire bat, an inhumane beast,
She ought to be locked up and never released,
The world was such a wholesome place until
Cruella Cruella Deville.


--
	** Ala"ddi"n **

	"There will be riches and magical places
	 A private oasis out there in the sands..."
From: btribble@terapin.com (Bobby Tribble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: BTAS 11/17 Heart of Steel
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:53:29 PST
Organization: BBS

Hm, I don't have a whole lot to say about the 2-parter, but just wondering if
anyone thought all the characters were familiar - I thought they were Marilyn
Monroe, HAL, Terminator (too obvious...), and Jimmy Carter. Also, just
wondering if anyone caught the line in the first part "I do wish you wouldn't
play so roughly with your toys" and then the second part "I do with your toys
wouldn't play so roughly with you"... Also, was that a happy face I saw on the
red "eye" of HAL?  Hm, anyway lots of violence in this episode, although
towards robots (but with AI)... Why was it that the Com. Gordon clone was so
lousy and the rest of the clones at least acted kinda normal (other than to
advance the plot...) Yeah, and does the daughter ever turn into Bat-Girl
(personally, I hope not...)  SPIDER PEOPLE! AUGH! Kinda reminded me of Aeon
Flux for some reason...

And tomorrow, the Riddler! Yay!

Bobby Tribble  |8')
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
btribble@terapin.com
From: york@oakland-hills.lucid.com (Bill York)
Subject: Re: OLD Spider-Man
Reply-To: York@Lucid.COM
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
	<1992Nov16.011940.17008@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
	<abick.721881524@cunews>
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:52:22

In article <abick.721881524@cunews> abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:

From my memory (and earlier posts):

Spider-Man, Spider-Man.
Does whatever a spider can.
Spins a web, any size.
Catches thieves, just like flies.
Look out!
Here comes the Spider-Man...

Is he strong? Listen, Bud!
He's got radioactive blood.
Can he swing from a thread?
Take a look overhead.
Hey there,				[unsure of these
There goes the Spider-Man.		 two lines]

In the chill of night,
At the scene of a crime,
Like a streak of light,
He arrives, just in time!

Spider-Man, Spider-Man,
Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man.
All the fame, he's ignored,		[unsure]
Action is his reward.
To him, life is a great big hang-up.
Wherever there's a bang-up,
You'll find the Spider-Man!!!!

================

It is also worth noting that Ralph Bakshi had a role in this series.

I found the show entertaining, but the budgets and production values
were quite low.  They made lots of use of stock footage (a large
fraction of each episode is Spider Man swinging around the appropriate
background painting), including using weirdly-cut footage of Spider
Man crawling up a building to depict him crawling down a pipe (in the
episode where all of Manhattin is levitated, I think).

Also, in one of the most amazing cost-cutting measures in all of
animationdom, one entire episode of the series is simply a Rocket
Robinhood episode re-worked to put Spider Man in the leading role.
Maybe you wondered why a this SF-related stuff didn't seem to make any
sense in the Spider Man universe?

[I thank which ever low-budget UHF station in Boston it was that used
to show all this stuff (chanel 27, maybe?)]
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: Re: peanuts meets trek
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:16:34 GMT

No, it's _Peanuts: The Next Generation_ sponsored by Pontiac!
SEE Captain Jean Luc Brown try to make the right connections with Doctor 
Beverly Crusher:
Brown: Oh golly, it's that cute little red-haired doctor!  What'll I do?
What'll I say?
Crusher: Hello Captain.
Brown: Er, cheesecake!

WATCH as Captain Brown negotiates with hostile enemies:

Brown:  General Ghargh!  Your actions go against Federation treaty!  What do 
you have to say for yourself!

Ghargh (muted brass instrument):  whawhaWAwhawahWAHWAwhawa.

And so forth, as done by those wacky guys of the Pundit.

     Dave Van Domelen, doing this from memory, it's alot funnier than I'm 
portraying, really
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Gi Joe/Transformers Crossover, guest appearance
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:06:51 GMT

kennehra@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich"TheMan"Kennehan) writes:



>Wait....wasnt "Mr.Snake" wearing a platinum silver mask just like the 
>REAL cobra commander did?  By the way, how did cobra commander come
>back to life after the GI Joe movie that had Nemises Enforcer in it?
>(Nemesis is THE BADDEST bad animated bad guy I have ever seen BTW)
>I remember seeing a big green hulking guy that had Cobra commander's
>voice about a year ago.  The animation was pretty bad, though.
>What happened????

I believe "Only Human" aired before any of that was written.
Ah, continuity.......


LJC

>- Rich
>  kennehra@logic.camp.clarkson.edu
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From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: OLD Spider-Man
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:19:40 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <1992Nov15.144450.1@cgsvax.claremont.edu>, walkerjo@cgsvax writes:
>Spider-Man, Spider-Man
>Does whatever a spider can
>Spins a web, any size
>Catches thieves, just like flies
>Look out!
>Here comes the Spider-Man...
[...]
>In the chill of night,
>At the scene of a crime
>Like a streak of light
>He arrives, just in time!
>Spider-Man, Spider-Man,
>Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man,
>To him, life is a great big hang-up
>Wherever there's a hang-up
>You'll find the Spider-Man!!!!
>
>Say...could these be more of the infamous Stan Lee lyrics???

I seem to remember a bit that goes

Spider-Man, Spider-Man
Does whatever a spider can
Is he strong? Listen bud --
He's got radio-active blood!

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From: gribbish@stein.u.washington.edu (George Mhyre)
Subject: Re: BTAS  11/16: Heart of Steel
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:57:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.170716.12763@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>In article <Af28RqG00awAQ4o1MV@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Kevin J. Chen" <kc2w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> Looks like the record for episodes of BTAS with "Heart of..." in the
>> title is pretty good... :)
>
>It was okay.  Some very nice airbrush work here and there.  Some not-so-nice
>writing, but not horrid either.
>
>I got a laugh out of Brenda's (sp?) car license plate: "RUR".  Extra points
>to whoever can post the source for THAT in-joke... :-)
>-- 
>			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
>			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
>			      jester@ihlpm.att.com
>		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T

RUR-Rossum's Universal Robots.

This was the play in which the term "Robot" was first used.

note that the inventor-type was named "Rossum"

I caught these too, but I'm a bit slower to post than you :)

--George Mhyre
Gribbish@u.washington.edu
(Toonatic)

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From: mwdenney@laplace.uwaterloo.ca (Michael W. Denney)
Subject: Batman, Adam West, The Simpsons and Self-Parody
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:30:04 GMT

******* Very minor spoilers for The Simpsons ahead! *******

Phillip D. Russell writes:
>
>Adam West said
>he wouldn't even WATCH the Batman movie!!!

I write:
>I don't know the exact interview you are talking about, but if it is anything
>like the one's I saw I think he was being sarcastic.  When I saw him he acted
>like he was going to cry and went on and on about how he wasn't asked to be
>in the movie.  Although he may have liked to be in the movie, I got the
>impression he was just kidding around about being SO upset.  Unfortunately
>shows like "Current Affair" made his comments seem serious to have a more
>interesting story ("Next: TV's Batman - His Dejection and Depression")

Phillip D. Russell writes:
>This was on Entertainment Tonight when all the publicity was started
>about the Batman movie. He had very short quick answers. He stated that 
>he was upset because he wasn't contacted at all. (Why would he?) The
>last comment he made before they went on to their other stuff was that
>he wouldn't go see the movie when it came out.

I write:
>I could be wrong, but I don't think he was so bitter.  He's an actor
>known for his 'campy' roles and I think he was just being campy in the
>interviews too (a little self-mockery perhaps?)

Just a continuation on my theory that Adam West was 'pulling everyone's leg'.

On tonights 'Simpsons', West had a cameo role as himself at a carshow
(signing autographs).  Lisa and Bart don't recognize him, so he shows them
a picture of him and Robin.  Bart's response: Who the hell is Robin?  West
than goes on about the old show being superior to the movie: "Why doesn't 
Batman dance anymore? Remember the Batusi?", "The real Catwoman is Julie
Neuman, Eartha Kitt, or [one other I forget -me not Adam West]", "I didn't
need body armour to make my body more impressive when I was Batman, it was
100% West" [I have paraphrased brutally here.]  During West's trip down
memory lane, Homer is slowly drawing the kids away, saying "Don't make eye
contact."  Later West is shown driving the old Batmobile.  Its starts
with its jet flame out the back, but once running it gasps and sputters like
a car on its last legs.  As he pulls off you see the muffler is hanging.

Now the writers thought up these gags, but West played the part and agreed to
this self-mockery.  Like I said above, he had a special kind of 'campy' style
and I think he enjoys poking fun at himself.


Michael
 a.k.a. The Phantom Scribbler

 - Holy cameo appearances, Batman!
From: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Why no cartoons before movies???
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:28:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434
Reply-To: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney) 

TO: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)


CM>According to a news report I saw, the average theatre gets 75%
CM>of its revenue from the concession counters (which is why they don't
CM>let you take your own food in--of course, that's never stopped me...).
CM>The report also featured a clip from a concessionaire training film,
CM>where all the impressionable young concessionaire minds were being
CM>taught to say things like, "Can I get you something to drink with
CM>that?" and "Will that be a large?"

Quite true, although percentages vary, the concessions are usually the
difference between making a profit or showing a loss, although this
breaks down at the neighborhood/rep theatre level.

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From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Mighty Mouse Saturday
Organization: none
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:37:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.043506.12762@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>Given that XTAS is still listed in the TVGuide and MM isn't, I'd guess it was 
>an emergency replacement as someone suggested a while back.  So try 11:30 EST.
>     Dave Van Domelen, damn it's humid....

Hmmm, it ran at 10:00 central/11:00 eastern, with Super Dave taking the 
XTAS slot. 
I am afraid that they will run it like they run "George Of the Jungle", which
is to say, infrequently.
but it is the MM-TNA with Bakshi, butterworth, Kricfalusi and the rest, and
it is just as cool now as then. I just hope they show it. 
The commercial made the reasons they are showing it obvious:

"Before Ren And Stimpy, There was Mighty Mouse!"

Hope they run the whole thing, but I ain't holding my breath...

					--Judex--

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From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: X-Mas TV that we all used to love
Organization: none
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:27:45 GMT

In article <BxIIy5.Jz4@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> mwdenney@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Michael W. Denney) writes:
>>Seems odd though, that the singing parts wouldn't be credited. Is
>>it possible that they cut some credits to squeeze in 1.5 seconds more commer-
>>cial time into the show (1/2 :) ) ?
>
>No, we can't blame television snipping this time.  I have a store-bought
>copy and watched it last night.  Karloff is credited as the narrator and for
>'Grinch noises' but no one is given credit for any singing.
>
>Michael
> a.k.a. The Phantom Scribbler
>
> - And what happened then?
> - Well in Who-ville they say,
> - That the Grinch's small heart grew three sizes that day!
> 

As I have pointed out several times, and others have found references for,
the singing is by Thurl Ravenscroft. Why it is not credited I do not know,
but Boris is hardly known for his singing...
Pax
					--Judex--
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 07:16:47 EST
From: David Asher <DCA105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: The DUMBEST saturday cartoon ever
 <1992Nov22.221526.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>
 <kennehra.722498373@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>

Ha!  It's on TV right now!

WHERE'S WALDO?

or that stupid Pee-Wee Herman rip-off 'Riders in the Sky' which if you have
had the pleasure of NOT seeing it, could also be called 'Pee-Wee's Ranchhouse'




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From: boylan@pi.eai.iastate.edu (Terran Boylan)
Subject: Re: ANIMATION: anybody here actually animate?
Organization: Engineering Animation, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:17:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.142106.19059@afterlife.ncsc.mil>, rmrohre@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Randile the Reptile) writes:
> In article <ddebry.722227157@itchy> Dave DeBry <ddebry@dsd.es.com> writes:
> >In <1992Nov19.222212.6821@sol.UVic.CA> aramsey@ugly.UVic.CA (Aaron  Ramsey) writes:
> >
> 
> [stuff deleted]
> 
> >	One of the best books I've read on BOTH the art and technique
> >of animation is called (I think) "Disney Animation: The Illusion Of
> >Life" (Thomas, Frank and Johnston, Ollie.  Abbeyville Press, New York,
> >1981).  It's in the bibliography of almost every paper I've seen
> >written on animation (be it cel, clay, computer, etc...).  It's an
> 
> [stuff deleted]
> 
> >	I'd suggest buying it EXCEPT for the fact that the price is so
> >high.  If it were even down around the price of college textbooks...
> >well, if I have to say "down" to get to those outrageous prices, you
> >can guess about this one.  :-\  I'd suggest checking a college
> >library... you may get lucky.
 
> 	So approximately how much is this gem?
> I've been meaning to look for it myself.
> 
> 

1) I agree that this _is_ an incredible book.  The book is essentially
   an examination of the Disney animation process, AKA "the 7 principles
   of animation."  BTW, John Lasseter wrote a SIGGRAPH paper in 1987
   about how these principles work in the context of computer animation.

2) This seems to be a widely-referenced book in the computer animation
   community.  I think that it has influenced a lot of professionals.

3) This book seems to be out of print.  When I tried to order this through
   Whole Toon a couple of years ago I was told that they were out of copies
   and would put my $30 worth of credit (not a lot of money, IMHO) 
   on my account.  I haven't seen this book offered in the Whole Toon Catalog
   since, including the most recent one which I received just this past
   week.

4) Why is this book no longer available?  If anyone finds a source of this
   book, please send me email at the below address.

-- 
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Engineering Animation, Inc.,  Ames, IA  | and lost than just to have
(515) 296-9908 / (515) 296-7934 (> 5PM) | lost." -- Dorky Dog
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From: kennehra@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich"TheMan"Kennehan)
Subject: The DUMBEST saturday cartoon ever
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:31:59 GMT



Hi.  what do you guys think was the DUMBEST saturday morning cartoon
ever?  My vote goes to "JabberJaw" (the shark with the voice of curly
from the 3 stooges) 

- Rich
  kennehra@logic.camp.clarkson.edu
From: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Why no cartoons before movies???
Date: 22 Nov 92 03:14:00 GMT
Reply-To: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434

TO: kennehra@craft.camp.clarkson.edu

RTK>Hi.  Why is it that in the 50s and 60s they used to show cartoons before
RTK>the movie started in movie theatres, and now we listen to elevator music
RTK>and watch colored lights?

Because cartoons (and other shorts) cost money to rent and the
exhibitors did not think it made people come to their theatres. They
are a cheap and greedy bunch and cut corners and cost every chance they
get. Since cartoons got increasingly poorer during the 50s & 60s fewer
and fewer people actually cared.

Also, by showing fewer things along with the feature, they were able to
pack in an extra show or two per day.

Some theatres, mostly those showing old movies, do run shorts, usually
from some collection. There is no longer a dependable source for shorts
so first-run chains couldn't get them even if they did want to run them.

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