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From: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Marriage Logistics
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:42:24 GMT
Reply-To: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Organization: Horizon Research


=> blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:
=> |> We should be careful, because I got
=> |> surprisingly large amount of email from people contemplating
=> |> marrying Japanese nationals. Looks like some kind of epidemic!

In article <1992Jul31.042035.89561@cs.cmu.edu>, jfriedl@tubby.mach.cs.cmu.edu 
(Jeffrey E. F. Friedl) writes:
=> Maybe you should write a book Bill...
=> 	How to Marry a Japanese Woman
=> and subtitle it
=> 	(no, not *that* kind of guide)
=> (-:
=>
=> For those that might not get it, there are said to be books for Japanese
=> women that instruct how to snag a foreign man (presumably one with
=> attributes which make him a good life partner... native English speaker,
=> good income, potential travel to cool places like America, etc.)
=> 
=> Mmmm, I bet one of those books (if they really do exist) might have a
=> chapter on formalities (if there are undue delays, he might bolt, you know).

Me detects a man speaking from some precise experience here.

Ya haffta admire people who could realize how to mate from a book.

Anecdote (love those dotes): After I became engaged, a Senior Manager
at a Japanese company, during dinner and after a few brews and hot sake,
asked me the following question, "Bill, at my company many Americans
come for training or to work for a couple of years. Quite a few have
a Japanese girlfriend, and quite a few have married Japanese women....
yet we have sent many people to work in the U.S. and none of them have 
married American women. Why is that?"

I said, from my sake induced temporary lucidity, "Japanese men
tend to hang around with other Japanese men. American men like to hang
around with women in general, and they usually don't care if the woman
is Japanese, or whatever, as long as she is a good woman." 

"Besides," I added, "Japanese men are at the office all the time. When
the hell are they going to be in a position to meet women?"

He looked to the side, thought for awhile, sucked his teeth and said,
"You are right." 

After a little more sake, he brought the subject up again, "But....
we should have at least one engineer marry an American woman...."

My best guess is that someone has been assigned to this job :-)

- Bill

PS - If this anecdote may seem a bit sexist, you are right. Until
fairly recently that company would not send its female employees
overseas for extended assignments.
From: dacosta@prl.philips.nl (Paulo da Costa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: non-natives in Japan
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:59:28 GMT
Organization: none
Originator: dacosta@prl.philips.nl

In article <21JUL199209395208@vxcrna.cern.ch> ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP) writes:
>In article <2111@aegis.or.jp>, davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes...
>>blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:
[...]
>>>Anyway, in most countries you are not automatically a citizen if born
>>>there.... except this one. Anyone know any others?
[...]
>I believe France will give citizenship if you are born on French territory.

The same is true in Brazil.
-- 
-- Paulo da Costa           /\/\   Minha terra tem palmeiras   /\/\
-- dacosta@prl.philips.nl   \/\/   Onde canta o sabia'...      \/\/
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: non-natives in Japan
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 07:34:10 GMT

lamb@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Ben Lam) writes:

>In article <BrpKKu.CGA@world.std.com> cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond) writes:
>>lamb@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Ben Lam) writes:
>>>were being stripped of their right of abode in UK.  In any case, I remember
>>>the main reason for establishing different types of passport is to avoid
>>>flood of "refugees" from Hong Kong in case anything goes wrong. 
>>
>>You are forgetting , India , Tanzania , Uganda , etc.... 
>>

>But they are not going to be handed over to the communists.

>--Ben Lam


I should have been less terse. What I meant was that the development
of the different classses of citizenship/nationality could not have
been "to avoid flood of "refugees" from Hong Kong" , since the 
various classes had existed long before the loss of Hong Kong was
contemplated, indeed before the PRC became a "Peoples Republic". You
may recall that phrases such as "white man's burden" and "wog" are
at least 100 years old.... The UK has been protecting itself against
the possibility of residency by its subjects for a long time, whereas
the concept of Hong Kong's lease not being renewed is recent.

Charlie

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: trebor@foretune.co.jp (Robert J Woodhead)
Subject: Re: Would Japan Welcome An American Game Called Paintball?
Keywords: Paintball
Organization: Foretune Co., Ltd.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:44:13 GMT

tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ronin) writes:

>Hi, I am looking for responses from people who are living in Japan about a 
>American game called Paintball.  The game involves a special type of Carbon
>dioxide gun that fires a small ball of paint.  I was wondering with the way
>that Japanese people feel about guns, would people play this game if it was
>introduced into Japan?

Way late, dude.  They've been playing it over here for years, both using
paintballs, and also freon-powered 6mm plastic pellets (which sting when
you're shot with them close range).  There are magazines devoted to the
hobby, hundreds of models to choose from (including working replicas of
.50 caliber machine guns that shoot a magazine of several hundred 6mm
pellets at a very high rate of speed).

About 5 years ago, I went out into the woods with a bunch of very wierd
people (about 100 of them) and we had a war.  It was just like it was
back when I was 5 -- with the 6mm pellets, it's hard to prove you hit
someone, so you get a lot of...

	"Hit you!"
			"No you didn't"
	"Yes I did!"
			"No, you didn't"
	BLAM BLAM!
			"Ok, now you did."

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| Robert J. Woodhead, Biar Games / AnimEigo, Incs.    trebor@foretune.co.jp |
| "We're off to outer space, we're leaving Tomobiki!"                       |
|  -- Entry in the "Beautiful Dreamer" Extemporaneous Poetry Parody Contest |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: d-itasak@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp (Daisaku Itasaka)
Subject: Re: Hotel in Tokyo.
Organization: NEC Microcomputer Technology Ltd., Tokyo, Japan
Distribution: world 
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 08:22:16 GMT

In article <4617@d75.UUCP>
	vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com writes:

>My travel agent in the US recommended the Sunshine City Prince Hotel
>in Tokyo.

Prince Hotel is one of the biggest hotel-chain in Japan. They have
hotels all over the nation. I have ever stayed at Sunshinecity once
when I drunk too much to go home.:-) At that time I felt....

>Is that any good?   She said that it would cost me $205.00 a night.

They cost you a lot, serve you a bit.
Isn't it excellent?

....Not!

This is just my impression, nothing else.

-- 
A wrong guy in a wrong place at wrong time...
						 Daisaku Itasaka
				      d-itasak@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp
				NEC Microcomputer Technology Ltd.
From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Reasons for rise in violent crimes? (Re: policewomen may now carry guns)
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:40:49 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Jul27.180653.3659@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>
>Thanks. I THOUGHT the Japanese revolvers looked a bit odd (only five chambers).
>As for accidental discharge, strange that they don't include a safety on the
>weapon.
>
I forgot to include some more about this.  Five-chambered revolvers is not odd
at all.  Actually one of the famous is Smith & Wesson M36/M60 Chief's Special, 
which used to be the favorite of undercover officers (the gun is still in 
production).  The ODD thing is that it is said that they load only four rounds
to make one of the five chambers they have empty.  And they usually do not carryextra ammuniton with them.  (Somebody please confirm or correct the infomation)

And about a safety on the revolver, as far as I know, only one company in 
in Germany (previously West Germany) called KORTH manufactures series of 
revolvers with a manual safety.  Otherwise almost all revolvers (as long as
I know) have no manual safeties that are found on many semi-automatic pistols.


Just for reference.

				Tetsuya Nishimura
From: rto051@hippo.sps.mot.com (Chang Suk-Kyung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese language bible
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:16:55 GMT
Organization: TDO

In article <1992Jul28.021151.13917@tkymail.sps.mot.com> rto051@hippo.sps.mot.com (Chang Suk-Kyung) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.013232.13470@tkymail.sps.mot.com> rto051@hippo.sps.mot.com (Chang Suk-Kyung) writes:
>>In article <kerry.712249241@manning> kerry@cs.UAlberta.CA (Todyruik Kerry D) writes:
>>>snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>
>[deleted]
>
>Oops!  My .sig somehow vanished.  If you're going to fill my mailbox
>with flames, please make sure it's the right one:

This is getting ridiculous.  One more try:

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From: rap@peaberry.doc.ic.ac.uk (Ross Paterson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: non-natives in Japan
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:15:28 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.

From article <BrozuL.5Ew@world.std.com>, by cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond):
> There are 5 "classes" of UK citizenship/subject/nationality that I
> know of. Only the "British Citizen" has the right of abode in the
> UK. I had expected that my son who was born in the US and who has a
> US national mother would receive one of the lesser forms. I might
> have been mistaken or the Embassy (nation purposefully unnamed) 
> might have decided that our skin was pale enough.

You were mistaken.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: wpm@is.morgan.com (W. Phillip Moore)
Subject: Re: Sumo predictions
Organization: Informations Services Dept., Morgan Stanley Japan
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:53:17 GMT


Moi> The most talented wrestler in the years to come... Kotonoshiki

Ha!! You've got to be kidding.  Too inconsistent, with a grand tendency to
choke big time.  I do think he has a chance to get as high as Ozeki, *if*
he can be consistent.  

Moi> The next non-foreign ozeki.... Akinoshima

Agreed.  Maybe after the next basho if he can pull in 11 or 12 wins.  

Moi> Old-timer yusho mid next year... Kirishima

Maybe sooner -- Kirishima may set a record for Jun-yusho (2nd place) basho.
I think he only has one or maybe two years left at the most, so he better
hurry.

Moi> The most popular non-yokozuna of all time... Takahanada

Hmm.  Maybe, its hard to call this one -- he's too young.  I think he has a
chance to go all the way to the top.

Moi> Longawaited back-to-back yushos... Konishiki

Never will happen -- I'll put money on this one.  Any takers??  I
presonally think he will *not* make Yokozuna.  Akebono will beat him there
anyway.  

Moi> The next Chiyonofuji...  Musashimaru

No way -- Musashimaru is strong, but he has a *long* way to go before he
ever comes close to Chiyonofuji.  Musashimaru, like Okebono, wins matches
because of his superior strength, not always because of superior technique.
Both rikishi suffer from this, Akebono more so.

W. Phillip Moore	   				Phone: 81-3-3286-9359
Information Services Department                           FAX: 81-3-3286-9040
Morgan Stanley Japan Ltd.  Tokyo Branch             E-mail: wpm@is.morgan.com
	Ote Center Bldg. 3F, 1-1-3 Otemachi, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 100
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP)
Subject: Re: non-natives in Japan
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:42:00 GMT

In article <2118@aegis.or.jp>, davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes...
>On a slightly different but somewhat related topic, as far as I
>know, being married to a Japanese doesn't automatically give you the
>right to live in Japan. I know one guy who has lived here for ~14
>years and is now married to Japanese and he had to fight to get a
>three-year visa. Not so easy to become part of the culture unless
>you are a "Big Blue" Japanese (born here of Japanese parents).
> 
The policy of not giving automatic right-of-abode to the spouse is not
unusual.  Again, I am not trying to be an apologist for the Japanese
government policy because I think that policy leads to the bad situation
as you just described.  But the UK also has this policy.  In fact the
situation is even worse!  The non-British spouse has to remain outside
the UK while waiting for the visa.  The British spouse has to have a job
in the UK to show proof of support.  Thus the couple remains separated
(unless you sneak in on a tourist visa) while the application is being
processed and we all know how slow government bureaucracy is.  Once you
obtain this visa, you must reside in the UK one year before you can even
START application procedures to stay permanently in the UK.

What is it about these island nations... ?

-- Makoto
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: jfriedl@tubby.mach.cs.cmu.edu (Jeffrey E. F. Friedl)
Subject: Re: Japanese language bible
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 18:09:35 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon / Omron Corporation
Reply-To: jfriedl@cs.cmu.edu

|> snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
|> 
|> My family has agreed to host an exchange student from Japan for
|> a few weeks.  I would like to be able to provide a bible.  Can 
|> someone give me a mail-order pointer to a good translation?

kerry@cs.UAlberta.CA (Todyruik Kerry D) blurts:

|> Whoah!  The first question I have is "Did they ask for one?"  I am sick
|> of people who think that their religion is the "correct" religion.

Almost everyone is sick of idiots that fly off the handle, particularly
when it's a result of their own asinine missunderstandings borne of
(apparent) predijustice and self-righteousness.

|> While it is great to share with them them your city and your culture,
it is unacceptible to force your religion upon them.

It is unacceptible to force many things upon people. What has this possibly
got to do with the poster's request for a Japanese-language bible?
The poster said that he "would like to be able to provide" -- quite the
opposite of "force upon".  Perhaps in his heart he really does have the
intention to force his religion upon the exchange student, but it is quite
impossible to inferr that from his post.  Your response is completely
out of line. You have shown yourself to be an idiot.

|> These students are coming to north america to sample our culture....

Obviously, your culture has nothing to do with religion (which, of course,
is fine, so long as you don't try to force your non-believe upon others).
Perhaps the original poster's religion (if he has one -- asking for
information about a bible doesn't make one christian or jewesh) is to
some extent part of his culture.

|> I would be very offended if somebody gave me a bible.

When a guest in someone's house with the express intent to learn of
their culture, life, etc., and when presented with something offered
as important to their culture, life, etc., "offended" is hardly the
mature response.

|> I hope I did not offend anyone.

Well, you didn't offend me, you'll be happy to know.
Sickened me with your imature self-righteous babbeling, yes.
But not offended.

|> I could have spoke much harsher on this
|> subject, but I tried to keep MY beliefs as objective as possible.

Thank you for your saintly restraint.

|> I hope this makes you think.

I hope this makes you think.

Your problem is not that you are offended by those that force their
religion upon others, it's that such feelings have nothing to do with the
post to which you responded. Your response was completely uncalled for.

Jerry Fawell would be proud of you.

	*jeff*
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Omron Corporation, Section RZE, Shimokaiinji, Nagaokakyo Kyoto 617, Japan
Visiting researcher to the Mach Project, Carnegie Mellon University
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: non-natives in Japan
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:20:02 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:

>In article <2090@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
...
>>The way I sort it out for myself is to think that while people born
>>or naturalized in the United States are considered citizens, they
>>may lose this depending on certain cicumstances.

>A difference: a person who receives US citizenship by being born here cannot
>(I belive) lose that citizenship, save by actively (ie, renouncing) or
>passively (selecting another citizenship at the age of choice) changing
>nationalities him/herself.

In general it would seem so. But as noted in the FAQ that was
recently posted to s.c.jp, if you entered the U.S. with the passport
of another country, you could lose your U.S. citizenship. Or if you
did something that the U.S. decided as in fact renouncing your U.S.
citizenship. 

>>From what has been said, it is evidently possible to be a dual
>>national of the U.S. and the U.K. But from what my friends tell me
>>about the status of their children, it is evidently not possible to
>>be a adult dual-national of Japan and the U.S. As a child, yes,
>>but they have all told me that when their children come of age,
>>they will have to chose. 

>Well, kind of. I know several such "dual nationals". When the proper age comes,
>they simply neglect to renounce one of the citizenships ("Oops! I forgot.")
>and continue on as dual citizens.

I guess anything is possible.

>>I suspect this is the situation is with respect to people born in
>>Japan of Korean parents. For whatever reason they can't hold dual
>>nationality; thus they live here with Korean passports. I'm not sure
>>what their visa status is, but a Swiss friend is married to a
>>Korean-born-in-Japan and they had to return to Japan each year from
>>Switzerland for her to renew her visa/whatever (now they live in
>>Tokyo, so no problem).

>Actually, one of the major sticking points is that the Koreans don't want to 
>give up their Korean names, which, while not strictly *required* by Japanese
>law, is, er, "encouraged". But you are correct (so far as I know); they cannot
>be dual citizens.

Besides the name sticking point, would it be possible for somebody
born in Japan of Korean parents to get Japanese citizenship at all?
What I mean is, is the problem for Koreans that they want dual
nationality and they can't get it so they chose to live in Japan
with Korean passports?  Does anybody know anything about this? 

Dave

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: non-natives in Japan
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:29:52 GMT

dacosta@prl.philips.nl (Paulo da Costa) writes:

>In article <21JUL199209395208@vxcrna.cern.ch> ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP) writes:
>>In article <2111@aegis.or.jp>, davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes...
>>>blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:
>[...]
>>>>Anyway, in most countries you are not automatically a citizen if born
>>>>there.... except this one. Anyone know any others?
>[...]
>>I believe France will give citizenship if you are born on French territory.

>The same is true in Brazil.
>-- 
>-- Paulo da Costa           /\/\   Minha terra tem palmeiras   /\/\
>-- dacosta@prl.philips.nl   \/\/   Onde canta o sabia'...      \/\/

...and the UK

Charlie
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From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Where are the Japanese?
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:15:39 GMT
	<1992Jul16.205211.13785@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: mvcy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu's message of 17 Jul 92 00:52:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul16.205211.13785@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>
   mvcy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu scratches out:

 =}flame on

   OK :)

 =}The hypocricy of the Japanese government regarding Japan's war crimes is
 =}only exceede by that of the US government who deny their war crimes and
        ^^^^^^^
 =}has the gall to call Pearl harbor an atrocity.  What an insult to those
 =}people in Asia who suffered real atrocities!
             ^^^^

   If you would have used something like "equaled" instead of "exceeded"
then your post wouldn't have been more of the ignorant bashing you were
lashing out at.  (Since there are no 'degrees' of hypocracy...)

   And if you wouldn't have limited atrocities to "Asia" then your
ignorance and or racism wouldn't be so apparent...

Al
From: ajeans@hplred.HP.COM (Albert Jeans)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:45:58 GMT
Subject: Re: Hotel in Tokyo.
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan

There are plenty of business hotels for under $100. Is this your money or IBM's?
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: non-natives in Japan
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:03:07 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

nibber@nevada.edu (KEIKO SHIMMYO) writes:

[* lots of stuff by others about U.S. citizenship omitted *]

>Do you know that there is a bill (or already a law, I am not sure which)
>that US govt will not let you get away from your liability as a US citizen
>even after you renounce your citizenship.  For as long as ten years, they
>want to keep an arm on you.

What kind of liability do you mean? Like taxes and stuff like that?

Dave

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan