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From: sandra@felix.filenet.com (Sandra Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Fist Full of Datas (possible spoilers)
Summary: A few idle thoughts
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:54:47 GMT
Reply-To: sandra@fritz.filenet.com (Sandra Cole)
Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA

I don't thinlk these are spoilers but I'll put in some protection
anyway...




This is not intended as a review of any sort, just a few random observations
about this episode:


	1)  Is the flute/recorder Picard was playing the one from the
	    "The Inner Light"?  If so this was a nice touch and kudos 
	    to the writers for this little bit of continuity.


	2)  In the holodeck, when Alexander told Worf that Worf was
	    the sheriff and that he, Alexander, was the deputy did
	    anyone else break into a chorus of "I shot the sheriff but
	    I did not shoot the deputy"(or should that be "I shot the
	    sheriff but I wish it was the deputy").

	3) It would seem that Worf is only capable of beating the shit
	   out of holodeck images.  Any other time he gets his ass
	   kicked royally.  Why couldn't he have been  as effective
	   against the Ferengi last week?

        4) Blessedly little technobabble this time around(thank you
	   Great Kahuna!)

	5) Data in drag.....the stuff of which nightmares are made
	   of(Worf's nightmares at least:-)

	6)  Nice symbolic FX shot at the end of the episode.
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: SPOILERS Rascals: Riker should be shot.
Date: 9 Nov 92 06:57:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: rivers.1992Nov9.125754.291
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1992Nov9.161113.23080@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, hrsn@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Daniel Harrison) writes:
> Spolier for Rascals. I've never posted anything with spoilers in it
> so don't flame me if this goes wrong.
 
> Again?
 
> The Ferengi take over the Enterprise? It was ridiculously easy. Riker
> manages to fire off *one* phaser shot that does some piddling damage,
> but the Ferengi blast away, destroy the shields and start boarding. 
> Apparently, they take over the ship within seconds.

There is a defense to this.  We all seem to be forgetting that the Ferengi
were in Klingon ships, and so Riker was loathe to take them on for fear
of starting a full-scale war with the Klingons.  


(The real reason is so that they could just reuse that YE footage again....)

Steven.K.Manfred
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From: jblum@next05wor.wam.umd.edu (The Maven)
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review - "Rascals" !SPOILERS!
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:28:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.220644.303@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu  
writes:

> > In article <1992Nov8.002605.278@rivers>  
ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:

> >>Anyone out there notice a trend?  _Every_ single great science fiction 
> >>series has to have one _terrible_ Wild West episode?  
 
> > I thought that "Living in Harmony" (The Prisoner) was one of the best
> > episodes they made (along with "Many Happy Returns").
> I'm surprised that I've heard this from more than one person as I really
> did not like "Living in Harmony."  Mainly because I have a hatred of
> Westerns, but also because I can't see where the logic was in that one:
> "If we put him in a Western town and all pretend to be in the Wild West
> ourselves, maybe he'll tell us why he resigned his top secret agent  
post."
 
> I just don't see the connection there.

Well, the "Ancient West" was a time of rugged individualists, when
lone men bucked the system and could live their lives like free men.
In other words, it's the kind of setting where Number Six would feel
at home.  If they can break him there, they'll break him anywhere.
(with apologies to Frank Sinatra).

Also, if they can get to him in a conducive setting that's "not real",
a kind of dream-world, they can get clues about what makes him tick,
which is what the Village REALLY needs to figure out.  It's a fantasy
situation, so his sophisticated mental defences are down.

It's the same kind of trick as in "A B & C", where they infiltrate
Number Six's dreams, or in "Once Upon A Time", where they regress him
to younger ages, in order to get to him on a gut level.  And again,
as in those stories, he proves to be stronger and more secure within
himself than the authorities who are trying to break him.

Hmm, ObTrek.  Anyone remember the theories that came out when TNG did
the episode "The Schizoid Man", which blatantly stole its title from
"The Prisoner"?  How many connections can you think of?...
From: u0mje@ohm.york.ac.uk (Michael J Evans - H601/90)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DSN GIFs
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:46:59 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

Either my head is malfunctioning or I seem to remember seeeing
mention on r.a.s.c of a DSN cast GIF.  This file doesn't appear to
be in the pdq.montana ftp site so does anyone have any idea where it
is.  Or where, for that matter, there are any other GIF or other
graphics files from DSN that I could purloin.

Thanks ever so much

Mike

u0mje@uk.ac.york.ohm
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From: thom@cac.washington.edu (Thom Roholt)
Subject: Re: Bev's new 'doo!
Organization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:06:29 GMT

>Death to the wig!  Long live the real Bev!  :->
>
>(she looked better in True Q than she has in a LONG time)

Exactly, she looked great when she was a....Golden Retriever!!!

How I long for the day when they do that to Troi!
(Why do women in space have attitudes and mannerisms of death?)

Thom
From: jkap@panix.com (Jonathan Kaplan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Puppies
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:34:37 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


Does anyone know the breed of puppies that are seen at the beginning
of the episode "True Q" ?
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From: steve@sep.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Holodeck etiquette (or lack of it!)
Date: 5 Nov 1992 22:30:48 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

In article <12732@hq.hq.af.mil>, lpeters@postmaster@hq.af.mil (Leslie D Peters) writes:
|> The holodeck, realistically, has fixed dimensions; however, what it
|> to prevent the holodeck from giving Picard and Riker the *appearance*
|> of being 3,000 miles away from each other?  
|> 
|> |          ___           |
|> |         /   \          |
|> |___JLP__/     \___WTR___|
|> 
|> Between them is the holograpic image spanning the distance.  If they
|> were to start travelling towards each other, the "barrier" would be
|> compensating for less and less distance until it falls within the 
|> dimensions of the room.

An explanation given in the TNG novel "Reunion" is similar to
what you propose, with an added complication. There, one person 
ran off into the distance while the others stood still. It was
explained that not only was the holodeck adjusting the image to
make it appear as though they were far apart, it was also doing
something to the floor (making a treadmill, in effect) to allow
the runner to keep going indefinitely without hitting the wall.

Similarly, in your example, the adjustments to the floor would
allow Picard and Riker to walk for 1500 miles before meeting,
if they really wanted to.

I liked "Reunion" pretty well, by the way. 
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From: pjohnson@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Peter Johnson)
Subject: Re: Rascals:  Kanamorites have missed the point again...
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 06:39:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.211615.26911@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kevin@csd-d-2.Stanford.EDU (Kevin Ernst Duckworth) writes:
>     Alright, various posters have fired photon barrages at _Rascals_,
>saying stuff like
[...]
>"the uniforms shouldn't have
>shrunk with the humans" 
[....]

	I think it would have been cool to have the teaser end with the
kids beaming to the ENTERPRISE wearing the adult-sized clothing, and kind
of looking at themselves then each other.  Then, have them change into
the child-sized versions of their regular outfits, but at the end, when
Picard goes through the transporter to grow up, have him beam back in a
torn, tattered, child-sized uniform, a la Incredible Hulk.
	They missed a perfect opportunity to show off Stewarts great bod;
after all, it is sweeps month.  :-)

-- 
Peter Johnson	       "There are times, sir, when men of good conscience	
Independent Studies     cannot blindly follow orders." --Capt. Jean-Luc
University of Waterloo  Picard (Patrick Stewart) to Adm. Haftel, STAR TREK:
pjohnson@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca 		THE NEXT GENERATION, "The Offspring"
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From: annie@fatboy.manassas.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: dubbed voice
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 17:21:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: kaylar@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Company

In article <5910@balrog.ctron.com>, wilkins@dime (Tim Wilkinson) writes:
|> James G Spice (spice@convex.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
|> > Was little Guinan's voice dubbed, or am I stupid?
|> 
|> 
|> Commonly called 'looping', they dub over the same dialog but with the actor 
|> in studio in front of a screen.  They do it if there's any reason that the sound
|> wasn't perfect (background sound, slurred word, mispronunciation, ... etc) but not
|> worth reshooting the scene.  Even a moderate ear can pick those phrases out of 
|> almost any movie.

But was little Guinan's voice dubbed by Whoopi Goldberg or by the
actress that played little Guinan?

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From: bylsma@unixg.ubc.ca (Dieder A. Bylsma)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Picard/Data are they going going gone?
Date: 6 Nov 1992 22:17:21 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
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Okay, I'm new on this newsgroup thing and came across a number of
allusions/comments that implied that Picard/Data are going to be leaving
the show. Is this or isn't this true?
And if so, when and why?

Also, in Jan's Chain of Command, the two part series, Picard gives
up command? To do what? To work his magic and then come back and recover
his ship or does he just disappear off to join Scotty at a retirement
colony?

Any info appreciated.

Dieder
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From: jblum@next05wor.wam.umd.edu (The Maven)
Subject: Re: Points to Ponder: Fistful of Datas
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:19:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.075847.4546@reed.edu> odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)  
writes:

>   I loved it!  And now, 30 lines from our sponsors.

..which aren't really necessary by this point...

>   ...Okay.  It's really 28...  Shoot me.

Nope, we'll just shoot the gun out of your hand.  :-)
 
>   I only had two problems (and one's not really a problem, and neither  
has much
>   to do with the episode itself):  (1) I was saddened that Troi smoked.   
Does
>   Marina?

According to some way-old interview, she used to, but she quit.
Apparently she and Brent Spiner went to the same hypnotist to quit
smoking.  It worked for both of them, but Brent later started again.

So the answer is... we don't know.

Funny how it didn't bother anyone when Patrick Stewart lit up in his
Dixon Hill stories...
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: true-q question
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:42:28 EST

The following is a stupid True-Q question.  I'll put a ^L for safety.

Ok.  When Bev was turned into a dog, was this a metaphor?  Because the
writers could not put the word "bitch" on a prime time TV show, did they
have Q turn her into a dog in his frustration?  Just wondering...
Either that or I missed the point...


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From: charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV)
Subject: Re: Rascals: Kanamorites have missed the point again...
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:14:46 GMT

kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey) writes:

>>TAS = The *Animated* series ... I seem to recall one where they hit some sort
>>of reverse-aging field and the crew started getting younger.

>Close.  
>It was an opposite universe that the Enterprise reached by going into
>a black hole (dying star) and coming out of a new star on the other side.
>People were born "old" and died at the end of their lives as babies.
>No, I am not making this up!! :-)

I'm actually surprised I remembered it at all, since it has been quite a few
years since I've seen any TAS episodes.  :)

>All living things on the Enterprise grew young at a fast rate and the
>ship was saved by an elderly couple as the rest of the crew became 
>small children.  Totally realistic compared to "Rascals"

And also spock was less affected because he was a Vulcan or something on that
order.  I think the "Elderly couple" was and Admiral and wife?

This still proves that TNG is an environmentally-conscious show.  Recycle,
recycle, recycle! :)

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From: raudenbc@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Holodeck etiquette (or lack of it!)
Date: 8 Nov 92 14:45:03 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1992Nov8.043230.19361@tronsbox.xei.com>, dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan) writes:
> |Here's a point to ponder...
> |What if the holodeck simulated a small planet.. Riker and Picard start
> |moving in opposite directions, Riker to the left/Picard to the right.
> |So, eventually they should meet each other on the other side of the planet
> |and be facing each other.  How would the holodeck get them turned around
> |and facing each other on the other side of the planet?
> |
> 	The "floor" is a force-field treadmill.  If it has to turn you around
> to make the simulation work, it will.
> 
> 
> Dennis F. Heffernan  dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com e4461005@apollo.montclair.edu
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "That's what the short ones are FOR." --Murphy Brown

OK...What if Picard and Riker were holding on to opposite ends of a rope?
(A real rope...not a holodeck rope).
-Bryan
> 
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From: mueller@cage.eng.mcmaster.ca (Edna Mueller)
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart on Broadway - Question
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:25:30 GMT

bdennen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Dennen) writes:
>Quite a while ago, I saw a post about Patrick Stewart doing "A Christmas
>Carol" on Broadway again this year. I sent in for tickets and have not 
>heard back from them yet. I've called, and they said that I do not have
>tickets... yet.
>
>Anyone else getting the run-around?

I made inquires about this a few weeks ago since I was planning to do.
Not anymore, unfortunately, I can't afford to go :-(

Tickets don't go on sale until Nov. 21, but if you mail off your $45
and the date you want to go, they will mail you back the tickets.
The tickets, by mail order, telephone, or in person, will not be selected 
until Nov. 21, so if you haven't heard anything, don't worry.

Lucky bugger *sigh* :-(

				Schmeby
					    mueller@cage.eng.mcmaster.ca
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From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Kirk's Death
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:22:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov8.192301.21547@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J P Blackwood) writes...
>I understand that in the original screen play of ST VI, Kirk was killed. 
>Remember the footage in the promos of Kirk being phasered (which was different 
>from the footage of what's her face as kirk beimg phasered) The ending was 
>changed at the last moment. When Unification was written, the original STVI 
>ending was used and Spock was referring to Kirk's death.
>His speech doesn't make any sense otherwise. A short stint on a prison planet 
>does not stick out from the other kinds of suffering Spock's decisions made for
>Kirk.
>Also. I understand STVII is to be filmed with a script by Nimoy? Who wrote the 
>Academy Days Script?

First of all, before the movie entered production, it was announced that 
NONE of the crew were going to die in ST VI. Secondly, I do not trust 
promos because they can be misleading.  And thirdly, they cut the right
part of the screen off to center Kirk II.

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From: griffita@fraser.sfu.ca (David Stuart Griffiths)
Subject: Re: TNG Grade Report: "Rescals"
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:38:19 GMT

rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:

>>I'm sort
>>of wondering why Riker had to re-establish the computer connection for
>>Picard in the playroom.  Doesn't the captain have the authority to do
>>this on his own ship?

>I was wondering about this, but I can see reason for it.  If RIKER is the
>one who locked out the command functions, then only RIKER can reinstate
>them.  That way they don't have several officers who can reinstate them
>trying to second-guess each other without being able to confer (which is
>a strong possibility).

>Now, you could easily argue that ANYONE with authority to lock them out
>should be able to turn them back on.  But I don't see that one is necessarily
>better than the other, except in specific situations (which couldn't be
>guessed at beforehand for any individual ship).

Actually I was sort of thinking of it in a "chain of command" type
situation.  The first officer (or any of the command crew for that
matter) should be able to lock-out command functions, however anyone
outranking the one who gave the lockout order should be able to
circumvent someone else being taken over by the everpresent entity and
shutting down the entire ship...

On a little side-note to this, I hope Picard reprogrammed the computer
to ask for a voice-print AND access code after the "brothers"
incident.
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From: jsblau@panix.com (Jonathan Blau)
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart on Broadway - Question
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:33:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

mueller@cage.eng.mcmaster.ca (Edna Mueller) writes:

>bdennen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Dennen) writes:
>>Quite a while ago, I saw a post about Patrick Stewart doing "A Christmas
>>Carol" on Broadway again this year. I sent in for tickets and have not 
>>heard back from them yet. I've called, and they said that I do not have
>>tickets... yet.
>>
>>Anyone else getting the run-around?

>Tickets don't go on sale until Nov. 21, but if you mail off your $45
>and the date you want to go, they will mail you back the tickets.
>The tickets, by mail order, telephone, or in person, will not be selected 
>until Nov. 21, so if you haven't heard anything, don't worry.

Actually, they have started sending out tickets for people requesting
them through mail order, because I received mine on November 5.  I
sent in my request on September 28, the day after the first ad ran in
the Times, and I must have been near the beginning of the pile because
I got front row center on my first choice of performances (sorry for
gloating, but I'm REALLY excited about this!).
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From: schamber@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Sylvain Chamberland)
Subject: Re: Star Trek V
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:45:57 GMT

In article <Bx6uuv.Brn@csc.liv.ac.uk> geoff@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mr. G. N. Kendall) writes:
>This will probably start a huge row, but could anyone tell me why
>Star Trek V is considered so crap?  Admittedly some of the FX are
>a bit naff, but is that the only problem, or is it the plot?
>STV is the most "Episodic" of the films (with shades of the Changeling,
>etc) and is the best for Kirk/Spock/Bones dialogue.  I don't think
>STV is the best, but I certainly don't think it's the worst.
>
>Geoff

I completely agree with you. I don't care if I get flames by saying this ;-)
but STV is one of my favorites, maybe second after STVI. People seem to
like ST:TWOK the most, but it's the one on the bottom of my list...

Anyway I gathered that people did not like this one because the movie made
the sacred characters Kirk-Spock-McCoy look like idiots. For example, the
scene about "Row, row, row..." appears to be despised by our peers...

I enjoyed that movie precisely because of the jokes...  

About Sulu and Chekov getting lost in the park while they are supposed to
know their way around the galaxy... (some really too serious people did
not appear to like that one).  I don't think that being a starship
navigator means automatically they will know their way in a forest. Some
people are indeed at a loss in the wilderness, whatever their IQ or
education...

Anyway everyone is entitled to an opinion, right???  :)


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