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Subject: WC94 tickets
From: vectrjab@VAX.CSUN.EDU
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1992 15:55:38 GMT
Reply-To: vectrjab@VAX.CSUN.EDU
Organization: Cal State Northridge

For those who have not had a chance to get the information from the local
media, you can get on the WC94 mailing list for ticket information as
follows:  Send you name, address, daytime phone number and a self-addressed
stamped envelope to

	World Cup USA 1994
	PO Box 1994
	Los Angeles, CA 90051-1994

of call (213) 365-6300 and provide the above information.  You can also
call local TicketMaster outlets in each of the nine venue cities.
My apologies to our soccer friends not in the USA, I have no information
concerning the procedures for you to obtain ticket information.  You 
possibly could write to the above address and get additional information
or possible your national federation will have information for you.



peace...bjpc
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From: SEMIBRA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: An European Superleague Scheme
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 21:16:20 EDT

In article <mikec.711842568@unixg.ubc.ca>
mikec@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael Cherkassoff) writes:
 
>
>Hi!
>
>This is an interesting scheme, but I didn't understand how
>the equal number of teams in each division could be maintained.
>E.g. what if all three teams relegated from the first division
>should go to the same second (so 5 teams from this second go
>to third while only three are being promoted) ?
>
>Michael.
 
Simple ! The said second division group gains six teams (3 from 1st div.,
3 from third division), loses six teams (one promoted to first, five relegated
to third) !  Similarly for third division groups... Of course, this will give
rise to a kind of dominoe effect to be transmitted to lower groups, should
such a non-average case occur, but it will make things more interesting...
 
Ibrahim
From: rcampb@u.washington.edu (Russ Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: APSL news????
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:26:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Jul21.192608.29095
Organization: UW Information Systems

Doesn't anyone live somewhere near any of the 5 APSL teams anymore?  How
about some news?  Standings?  What's going on with the league?  Any more
expansion clubs planned for next year besides the LA Salsa?  What about
the 5 remaining MSL clubs - have they accepted or rejected the invitation
to join and play outdoor?

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From: nales@cs.few.eur.nl (Aad Nales)
Subject: Looking for Dutch Soccer lover in Down Under
Summary: were is that guy?
Keywords: Irsan in Australia
Organization: Erasmus Universiteit Rotterdam
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:42:06 GMT

Dear soccer friends,

a friend of mine went to australia for a couple of months but has not
emailed yet. His name Irsan Widarto showed up regularly in this column.
If any one meets him computerwise or other. Please make him mail for
both weather and non soccer periods are pretty boring. Perhaps it's the
same out there.

P.S. he is with SHELL in melbourne i thought.


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From: c9106863@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (LORD MICK HAS SUMMONED YOU...)
Subject: Australia v Ghana (Olympics)
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:29:37 GMT


       Australia 1       Ghana 3

Disappointing game for the Olyroos who had the better of play for most of
the game but couldn't capitalise on the chances.

Ghana's first goal came from a freekick from which goalkeeper Filan had it
covered but the ball deflected from the side of the wall and dribbled into
the net.
Ghana's 2nd goal was just as pathetic when the ball was rolling towards the
corner of goal. Filan dived and had it covered when the ball took a bobble
on the bumpy pitch and bounched the top of the keeper.
Ghana's 3rd was on the break when most of the Aussies were pushing forward
for a goal.
Australia drew a goal back minutes from the end

Mick
From: csfraw@kullero.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Result
Date: 27 Jul 92 06:35:03 GMT
Reply-To: csfraw@kullero.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In article <92206.205853RXK14@psuvm.psu.edu> RXK14@psuvm.psu.edu (Rod Khayat) writes:
>Could some one tell me the result Between:
>
>Poland V. Kuwait
>Egypt  V. Qatar

Poland 2  Kuwait 0
Egypt 0   Quatar 1

PS: A year ago when Ghana beat Quatar to qualify for the finals of the U-17
world cup there was an Egyptian on the net who tried to belittle that achievement. What is he thinking now ? In the present world there are few underdogs in 
football.




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From: sbhatia@eng.clemson.edu (sameer bhatia)
Subject: Re: Calling NBC/triple cast for soccer com
Reply-To: sbhatia@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:53:22 GMT

In article 14448@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu, vu0208@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (!) writes:
>
>No it's FOOTBALL (the real name;not soccer) that is the world's most
>popular sport. Perhaps americans have realized that by giving the name
>like "soccer" to FOOTBALL was a mistake.
>
>Note: FIFA the international organization calls it football not soccer!
>
>If Handball (i mean American Football) was played in olympics, they
>   ********
would have even forgotten to show the dream team playing basketball at
>such a length! :(

****** Handball!! No way! I'd rather call it BODY CRUNCH! ;-)
Sameer



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From: Arie P Vandeventer <avandeve@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Calling NBC/triple cast for soccer complaints
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:03:03 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Dear soccer/football fans,

Apparently, like many others have done before us, is to call NBC's triplecast
about the lousy soccer/football coverage in the US.  They indicated that
Atlanta 1996 (!) will be different with more coverage; however, as far as I am
concerned that's an empty promise for now.

I strongly believe that we will still have to do a lot of work to induce a
change at the networks.  Also, the "depth" of our arguments should go beyond
simply complaining.  In my opinion, their market analysis, which they alleged
to have performed, should be questioned, as well as their apparent inability to
sell off the rights to UNIVISION and others.

NBC's response regarding selling off the rights to UNIVISION "....well, we
don't sell to FOREIGN stations...", is totally nutz.  However, the real
question becomes, what did they try and also what were UNIVISION efforts to try
and secure games.  Apparently, nobody knows what was done.  Our questioning
here could make a strong point, since UNIVISION and others know about "the
soccer/football market" out there and maybe willing to form a strong alliance
with our efforts.

My friends, it's my believe that we're in it for the long run; we'd better 
buckle up...


Peter van Deventer
7/30/92
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From: rlerdorf@netcom.com (Rasmus Lerdorf)
Subject: Shitty NBC coverage: Please post results
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 06:34:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I find myself in the extremely unfortunate position of being stuck in the
States during the Olympics.  I am thus forced to sit through incredibly
bad coverage and countless Coca-Cola pitches from Randie Travis..  I really
miss Canadian Olympic coverage here.  I am also (yet again) missing the
plight of Danish soccer.  Please post results and summaries of all the games.
NBC has yet to even mention soccer and they will only show the Gold medal
game next Saturday.  

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From: sanjiv@projtech.com (Sanjiv Gossain)
Subject: American Commentators
Summary: irritating so-and-so's
Organization: Project Technology, Inc., Berkeley, CA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:25:23 GMT

 I don't know if this has been mentioned before (or at least
not for a while) but I remember a game they showed on Sprotschannel
where the commentators were the most irritating pair of people ever.
Now I'm used to John Motson (who is bad!) of the UK, and Brian
Moore (who is passable) also of the UK, but these guys ruined the game for me.
They started using terminology of "assists", i.e. the person who
passed the ball to the scorer is acknowledged with an "assist".

Then they obviously haven't got a clue about the tactics behind the
play and their analysis is so shallow that it would be better if they
just didn't talk. So, I had to turn the sound down. Now, what if 
commentators of this quality are being used in the World Cup in '94.
Anyone shed some light on the matter?

And do we get the US feed for the pictures or can we avoid getting the
American cameraman and stick to some people who have been televising
football for years (like the BBC dare I say it...)

Sanjiv Gossain

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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Scottish friendlies
Date: 31 Jul 92 08:47:50 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <24321@castle.ed.ac.uk>, eftv20@castle.ed.ac.uk (G C Stewart) writes:
> 
> 
>      So Celtic match up well to English Premier league opposition. Was
> at the match with Man U last night. Celtic should have won - they looked
> the sharper side but lack inscissivness up front. But at least the Hoops
> look more elegant without the blurr of a shirt sponsor.
>                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Couldnt agree more.  I mean it's not as if Celtic need 15 million quid
anyway from a sponsor and the jersey will remain pure.....

Well Gerry boy, ready for the battle ahead. Steven against McStay, Hateley
against Mowbray, Aitken against any referee. I reckon we'll win the 
league by 6 points as long as Dale Gordon remains unfit and Dizzy Nissie
untangles his legs after the game against Marseille.  Dont see the Sheep
or either of the Edinburgh cluggers doing much this season so you might
have the honour of being second. After the Euro Championships, it'll be
good to welcome back the real superstars like Roy AItken, Mike Galloway,
Murdo McLeod, Ally Mauchlen, Jim McInally, our very own Fergie and anyone
else on four legs.

Yours in sport


Sandy Mackinnon
Univ of Strathclyde
Glasgow
cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Egypt's performance (was Re: Olympic Soccer--Standings)
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:49:14 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Jul30.183910.9578@cs.yale.edu>, ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
> 

> Hmmmm, could we possibly have seen different matches?  Egypt played
> very well against the Netherlands, completely taking them by surprise.
> I didn't think it was destructive at all.  Come to think of it, didn't
> Egypt score FOUR goals against Columbia yesterday?   How could they
> have achieved that through "destructive" means?  I've seen goals
> prevented through destructive means before (Harald Schumacher, where
> are you?), but I've yet to see goals being scored destructively,
> especially FOUR of them.
> 
> -- Shakil
> 
	You based your arguments on two different tournaments.  In WC90,
Egypt was definitely playing a defensive game.  The game against Ireland
was the worst you ever seen.  The last game against England was not
much better.  They packed the penalty area until Platt scored the only
goal.
        As for this team in the Olympic, I don't know since I do not
have a chance to see them play.  Even though they managed to scored 
four goals in the last game, they did not scored at all in the first
two games.  It could be that with nothing to play for and less pressure,
the performance may rise to the occasions.  When the stakes are high,
the tendency is usually try not to lose.  

Jack Teh

Jack Teh  

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From: jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras)
Subject: David Rocastle
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:10:42 GMT

So Georgie Graham has finally gotten rid of David Rocastle.
Yet another very unpopular decision by the Arsenal manager
(who can forget the sacking of North Bank favourite "Champaign"
Charlie Nicholas - Arsenal went to win two titles after he left
though). 
Graham once again showed that he won't forgive anyone that
crosses him. Rocastle wasn't on his good books for a couple of
years now. Mickey Thomas was Graham's most recent victim.
Graham is known as "Gaddafi" amongst the Arsenal players for his
managerial methods.
 
I remember watching Rocastle's debut at a league game at Ipswich in
1986 and been very impressed by the then 19 year old. 
Good luck at Leeds, Rocky !! You will be remembered.

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From: khoub-s@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Siamak Khoubyari)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Olympic Football on Univision?
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:46:56 GMT
Reply-To: khoub-s@cs.buffalo.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: SUNY at Buffalo, Computer Science / CEDAR
Originator: khoub-s@pulcherrima.cs.buffalo.edu


Hi all,

Does anyone know which Olympic Football games Univision will show,
and what the broadcast times will be.  I'd appreciate any info. you
may have.

Thanks,

-- Siamak

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From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Opening Scottish Fixtures
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:45:47 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

In article <1992Jul30.133720.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cbar40@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>> As far as I know Dumbarton have chosen to play at Hampden and that is the
>> venue listed on the fixture list issued by the Rangers ticket office. At
>> least this time we'll get more than 21,000 tickets for the national toilet.
>> 
>> -- 
>>  Scott Jackson              e-mail scottj@spider.co.uk abuse  031-554-9424
>
>Don't get me wrong now Scott, you understand, but The Mighty Glasgow Rangers do
>not have any right to claim more than their given allocation, for any match,
>albeit lower than their own claim on what is and isn't fair.  Ticket
>allocations for cup matches are one thing, as yet, outwith the control of Mr.
>Murray - he's in it fir fitba ma erse - and Rangers I'm afraid will have to
>comply like everyone else.  

That's right, Wattie controls the team and David Murray provides the cash to
buy players - you may have forgotten what cash is at the piggery along with a
trophy. And while we're on the subject of erses, what is Cassidy up to?

>faithful through and through Rangers fans are not so why should the league or
>SFA give in to calls for more tickets when they are winning?

Neither are the Celtic fans for that matter. The Rangers fans don't claim to
be `failthful through and through' unlike another set which do.

>Hoping your season starts disastrously and I return to find T.P.11 leading
                                                             ^^^^^^
Yet again we must ask who it is that mentions anything to do with religion,
yet point the finger at Rangers.

>HAIL! HAIL! 
>THE CELTS ARE HERE!!

But not for long once the defeats come thick and fast.

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From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Poland - US match
Date: 31 Jul 1992 01:43:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <Bs7IyK.1p0@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca> rjromanc@sun1.vlsi.waterloo.edu (Richard Romanczyk) writes:

>NBC coverage sucks. It is a total joke.  So is CTV's coverage.  Anyways, we
>all know about that, so I won't bother explaining.

It's true, de gustibus non se dispitandum. However, NBC is doing an appalling
job in bringing the Olympics to us. A "color" commentary every now and then is  
OK .With NBC though we have to withstand 15 minutes of lacrimoniuos details 
such as the sadness some olimpian felt when his pet fish died, the resolve the
dramatic event imprinted upon him to win a medal, what the  at the local
7-11 have to say about the defunct fish, etc., etc.. 15 minutes, believe me, I
once timed it, for a race that lasts 3 minutes!!!!.
I cringe at the spectrum of Bob Costas or other basebally encyclopedic guy try-
ing to handle a soccer WC semi-final such as Germany vs. Brazil with NBC tools:
we will see how the German goalie's folks prepare sausages every year at half
time if not during the game itself.. Brrrr! 
-- 
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Department of Economics
From: hafn@quads.uchicago.edu (Tom Hafner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: lightning
Summary: DO NOT play with lightning
Keywords: lightning safety
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:04:09 GMT
Reply-To: hafn@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: rec.sports.soccer
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

I have seen several posts about lightning in various other threads, so I
thought I ought to start a thread just for lightning.

There are enough stories around to make me certain that mine is no fluke:  A 
friend of mine died when struck by lightning at a soccer match.  The game had 
been called but he and a few others stayed on to kick it around a bit.  Yes, 
they were of the macho variety.  It is my opinion that not only should the ref
call the game, but he should also make sure everyone clears the area.

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From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: Re: I believe!  I believe! (was Re: NBC triple cast, triple flop !!!!)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:24:29 GMT

Wow, I'm just overwhelmed at the response this thread has been getting! :-)))
Hate to sound like a pessimist, but let's get real. All of our efforts
so far for the nbc comments seem like a lost cause.

We should be channeling our energy towards ABC and ESPN, who own the rights
to the WC'94 in this country. If we are really desperate, we can make
something out of our efforts by urging ABC and ESPN in the next few weeks
with lots of calls for European soccer!

This is a more realistic approach since both of those networks seem have to 
invested some money into the game and maybe they'll think for once about
educating the American public before throwing matches on tv in '94 and
get bad ratings since most people haven't had time to become addicted yet! ;-)

Please call ABC and ESPN in the coming month so we all can see soccer before
it's too late. The European soccer season starts in Sept., with matches
in the UK starting this week. Good luck!

Let's all suck up to ESPN and compliment them on their superb production of
German Soccer Weekly.

-Dave

p.s. if anyone has the phone #'s and addresses of ABC and ESPN, please POST
     IT! THANKS.

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From: pfs@druwy.ATT.COM (Philip F. Sherburne)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: US Cup? & other questions
Summary: Death by lightning during a match
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:50:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.170342.28393@pony.Ingres.COM>, cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris) writes:
> In article <920718152132.20207998@CHEMVX.TAMU.EDU> DOLLER@CHEMVX.TAMU.EDU writes:
> >X-Unparseable-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1992 15:21:32 -0500 (CDT)
> I remember one death:- In the (English) FA Amateur Cup in '67 or 68, Tony
> Allden (sp?) of Highgate United was struck by lightening during the
> game against Enfield and died instantly. Several other players
> received minor burns. The game was abandoned and replayed at Aston
> Villa's ground before an amazing crowd of over 30,000 (the original
> game was probably watched by a few hundred). Enfield won 6-0.
> 

As a followup to the lightning discussion:

During the Front Range Invitational Tournament (FRIT) in 1991
played at the US Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs a youth
referee (I think 16 years old) was struck by lightning and
killed during a match. During the 1992 FRIT when, during the last day,
the weather appeared quite ominous the tournament officials
(remembering the previous year I'm sure) canceled the rest of
the tournament while a number of games remained to be played.
Medals were awarded based on tournament points up until that time.

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