HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: How do you put those ">" before copied text
Date: 13 Nov 1992 21:33:14 GMT
Organization: AS&M Inc
Reply-To: J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov
In-reply-to: dlwillia@uncc.edu's message of Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:41:13 GMT

In article <BxMn4p.I8v@unccsun.uncc.edu> dlwillia@uncc.edu (David L Williams) writes:

   This question may have a realy simple answer, but how is there some special way to copy text that puts those ">"s before text.  Obviously you could manualy insert them yourself, but that would be too easy.  Also, is there a file somewhere that describes basic news usage, etiquette, ect.

The first part of your question has been addressed; I'll try to field
the second.

Most netiquette boils down to common sense: If somebody else posts
the way I'm thinking about, would I appreciate it?  Is it worth a
post, or should I just send email?

One goal of posting is to contribute or to ask for information.  Part
of doing this successfully is to make your post readable.  For
example, your post above arrived on my system as one long line.
Probably, this is a result of a "user-friendly" editing system that
seems to split lines between words on your screen, but doesn't put
real line-breaks in the post.  This results in breaks in the middle
of words on many systems on the net, for example, between "you" and
"rself" which is difficult to read.  Also, some news and mail systems
_truncate_ long lines, which would result in lost information.

Solution: put carriage-returns in yourself, and break lines to be
around 70 chars, to allow for quoting without wrapping.

There are several articles that volunteers have prepared to assist new
or ignorant users (ignorance can be cured, but the cure is voluntarily
received :-) .  They are collected in the group news.announce.newusers
and are posted regularly, such as once a month.  Hopefully they're not
expired on your system, but if they are, keep watching the group and
catch them as they are posted.

Also, there is "Welcome to news.newusers.questions!", posted to this
group and news.announce.newusers as well, I think.

Welcome to the net!  Use it wisely.
--
J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@LaRC.NASA.Gov> +1 804/864-2148
    employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at
         NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: dave@revcan.rct.ca (David Blackwood)
Subject: Re: Q: Can it reach to Canada?
Organization: Revenue Canada, Taxation; Office Communications Division
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:31:23 GMT
Summary: Y: Yes.

In article <1992Nov10.185717.9061@edinboro.edu> t117999n@edinboro.edu writes:
>Hi, I am Tony, in the EUP.  I just have a question, "Can this NEWSNET reach
>to Canada?"

Yes.
-- 
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Office Communications Division	voice: +1 613 957 9305, fax: +1 613 952 1095
Revenue Canada, Taxation	email: uunet.ca!revcan!dave, dave@revcan.rct.ca
From: ggw@wolves.uucp (Gregory G. Woodbury)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: Sending mail over USENET...
Date: 8 Nov 92 01:40:19 GMT
Organization: Wolves Den UNIX
X-Md4-Signature: bc361539b8dde43f9ce9840f785b9794

In article <D08qTB1w165w@midiline.la.ca.us> xerxes@midiline.la.ca.us (Keith Chiem) writes:
>Okay, let me rephrase my question from my last post:
>        How can I send mail to a certain place so that everyone there CAN 
>        read it?  For example, I want to send a letter to UC Irvine.  I 
>        I know the address is 'irvine.edu', but what do I put before it?
>        Do I put 'general.irvine.edu', or what?  And I want this so that 
>        everyone there CAN read it (not junk mail), do I write 
>        'all.general.irvine.edu'?

To put it briefly.  You CANT.

The best bet is to send a message to the news account there asking them
to post it to the local "general" newsgroup.

Usenet is a news message transport system, not an email system.
-- 
Gregory G. Woodbury @ The Wolves Den UNIX, Durham NC  <Standard disclaimers>
UUCP: ...dukcds!wolves!ggw   ...duke!wolves!ggw           [use the maps!]
Domain: ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US  ggw%wolves@duke.cs.duke.edu
[This site is *not* affiliated with Duke University.  (Idiots!) ]
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: chuckc@fc.hp.com (Chuck Cairns)
Subject: Re: GIFs on newsgroups
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:57:45 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.6 PL6]

Lindsay Haisley (fmouse@wixer.cactus.org) wrote:
: In article <1992Nov7.034951.1102@midway.uchicago.edu> airn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
: >Could someone please explain, in painstakingly exact terms, how I turn those 
: >huge multiple-post alphanumeric files on groups such as 
: >alt.binaries.pictures.misc into pictures on my computer? I am working on a
: >Mac II and have the program GifConverter. Thanks in advance!
: 
: These files are uuencoded at their source to convert binary data to a
: mailable ASCII (7 bit) data format.  If you are using rn or trn as your
: newsreader, you may use the e option when reading such a file to extract
: it to your $HOME/News directory.  Using the e option on successive parts
: of the file will extract them in turn (you must process them in the
: correct sequence) until the extraction is complete.  If your newsreader
: doesn't support extraction, you may follow the following procedure:
: 
: 
: a)  Save each article which constitutes part of the GIF or JPG as a
:     separate file.  For convenience, name them "name.#" where name is
:     any short intermediate name you may choose and # is the part number.
: 
: b>  Quit your newsreader and from a UNIX shell prompt, cd to your News
:     directory ("cd News [enter]" - note that the N must be capitalized).
: 
: c)  Enter the command "ucomb name.1 name.2 name.3 ..... name.N [enter]"
:     (where N is the highest part number).  This will create name.uu.
: 
: d)  Decode the uu file with "uudecode name.uu [enter]".  Voila! ....
:  
: e)  Download the the result.
:    
: 
: -- 
: "Everything works if you let it"    |            Lindsay Haisley
: -- The Roadie                       |            fmouse@wixer.cactus.org
: 
: 
 If you don't have "ucomb" then you will have to hand-edit each piece of 
 the file name.1 .. name.n to get rid of the header info up to the cut line and
 any infor after then end of the uuencoded part (e.g. any .sig lines). Then
 you can "cat name.* >name.uu" and then uudecode as above. Three is also an
 unshar utilitiy out there which can do all this for you. Or you can write your  own awk/perl script.
 cc
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: dir/reg
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:47:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.114933.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> schongvm01@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
>I have a few compressed (claimed to be .ZIP) files containing source codes
>which I got through e-mail but having difficulty in decoding them.

For ms-dos, use PKUnzip.exe and PKZip.exe Since you were emailed these files,
they might also be uuencoded. You will need uudecode to extract them
from the mail messages. uudec.exe for ms-dos will do this.

   Pkzip/Pkunzip 2.0 and 2.01 have been warned about as not a legal
upgrade and I think 2.01 has a trojan program in it. You should avoid
these versions.

  'pkunzip /h' will give you a screen-sized help message with the options
for this program.

  I haven't used uudec.exe so I am uncertain of the syntax for it.

-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM - Gulf Park Campus 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
                     "Kill the Wabbit ! " Elmer Fudd. 
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: jimtan@earth.monash.edu.au (Jianjun Tan)
Subject: Test
Keywords: 1st reading,test,ignore
Reply-To: jimtan@earth.monash.edu.au
Organization: Monash University Dept of Earth Sciences
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:16:35 GMT
From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: FTP and Telnet available for MSDOS?
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 22:49:46 +0100
Organization: "The Private site of Manfredo Tichauer"

res_ewv@exodus.valpo.edu writes:

> I'm not sure if this is the right forum to ask this, but is there a place to
> FTP MSDOS versions of TELNET and FTP from?
> 
> 
>                                                                              
>                               Eric W. Vaandering                             
>   ___________________________________________________________________________
>  |BITNet:    RES_EWV@VALPO                    USPS Net:  Eric Vaandering     
>  |InterNet:  RES_EWV@exodus.valpo.edu                    Brandt Hall         
>  |PhoneNet:  (219) 464-5868                              Valparaiso, IN 46383
>  |___________________________________________________________________________
>  |                                                                           
>  |  Hi! I am a .signature virus. Copy me into your .signature to join in!    
>  |___________________________________________________________________________

Hi Eric, I was very astounded to know that there is a Valparaiso University.
I am from the city of Valparaiso, Chile but I live now in Germany. Could you
tell me something about Valparaiso, IN? From where did it get the name? etc.
etc. 

Thanks
Manfredo


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From: ah190@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Pearl)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Holocaust Database Access?
Date: 7 Nov 1992 14:41:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


I believe in both Israel and New York there is a huge
database of all the World War II Holocaust victims.  Is it
possible to access and search this DB using the internet or
one of the teleport connections?

I see in the teleport area you can also connect to the
Israeli Library catalog system.  Does anyone know if this
will give access to the Holocaust DB?  Thanks in advance.

-stu
-- 
                   ---===<<< Stuart Pearl >>>===---
                           Cleveland, Ohio
                      ah190@cleveland.freenet.edu
                         --------------------
From: ai118@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Zidonis)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: Info on Inernet services ?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 14:27:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ai118@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Zidonis)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, chuckc@fc.hp.com (Chuck Cairns) says:

> Hi,
> I've been using theInternet for quite a whiel now. It's like peeling an
> onion, the more you peel the more layers you see. I was looking for
> something the other day and I found a document which describes many
> data services availabel on the internet. I can't for the life of me
> remember what the name of it was and where it was ?  Not finding sources
> of archie-related stuff but real informational databases ?
> Anyone know of such a document ?  Was I imagining things ?
>
> Thanks for any help!
> Chuck Cairns
>
> chuckc@fc.hp.com
>


Special Internet Connections, compiled by Scott Yanoff yanoff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

I found this interesting list of comp.misc under the subject:
Updated Internet Services List

Is this the information you imagined?
-- 
RAZ     ai118@cleveland.freenet.edu
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: FTP and Telnet available for MSDOS?
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 06:19:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.202235.1@exodus.valpo.edu> res_ewv@exodus.valpo.edu writes:
>I'm not sure if this is the right forum to ask this, but is there a place to

The best place to ask for MsDos PD & SW is comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted.

>FTP MSDOS versions of TELNET and FTP from?

1107147 May 11 12:17 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/connect/t2305sv.zip
 921313 Apr 13  1992 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/connect/tel2305b.zip

"If you do not know how to go about getting this material, users are
welcome to email me for the prerecorded garbo.uwasa.fi instructions
(long, circa 29Kb).  North American users are referred to the Garbo
mirror on wuarchive.wustl.edu.  Australian users are referred to the
archie.au mirror.  For the Asian users there is the NCTUCCCA.edu.tw
mirror.  The mirrors may lag occasionally, or might not have all the
files.  If you do not receive my reply within five days, please ask
your own site's system manager to construct a returnable mail path
for you". 

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland
From: lundsten@bor.Sweden.Sun.COM (Peter Lundsten - Sun Sweden)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Test
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:15:47 GMT
Reply-To: lundsten@bor.Sweden.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bor.sweden.sun.com


Keywords: 



Just testing ...
From: mstoffan@uumark.UUCP (Mark Stoffan)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Problem with downloading DOS files on Mac-a solution?
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 00:12:46 GMT
Reply-To: nlbbs!mstoffan@uunet.uu.net
Distribution: world
Organization: 

We have Macs on the Internet at work, with full telnet and FTP 
capabilities. I often download MS-DOS files for use on other machines, 
most of which are compressed with PKZIP. After the FTP transfer, I use 
Apple File Exchange to copy the downloads to floppy.
        This works fine most of the time, but sometimes the .ZIP file 
becomes huge. It's OK during the transfer, but the Mac finder sees it as
being much larger than it should be. I presume this is caused by the 
system seeing the file's true size rather than the compressed size. The 
file stays enlarged on the DOS end, but unzips fine and will return to 
its normal size if rezipped.
        The problem is that some files are so large that they won't even 
fit onto a 1.44 meg floppy. Does anyone know of a cause/solution? I've 
considered using uuencode after downloading but it too becomes oversize. 
A file splitter might work if something is available for both the Mac 
and DOS sides.
        Thanks in advance.


 Mark Stoffan              nlbbs!mstoffan@uunet.UU.NET    (home)
 Gorham, Maine  USA        mark@btsgatep.caps.maine.edu   (business)
From: nicolas@stam.nl (Nico Veenkamp)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Shell gateway
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 11:07:52 CET
Organization: Stam Tijdschriften bv, Rijswijk, The Netherlands

Does someone know how to send e-mail to people working for Shell. I have 
the e-mail address (Shell style), now I only need to know how to convert 
that into an Internet style address with gateway information etc.


      *================================================================*
      |  Nico Veenkamp	        | You write, we publish                |
      |  Stam Tijdschriften bv  | -------------------------------------|
      |  P.O. Box 235           | Internet : nicolas@stam.nl           |
      |  2280 AE  Rijswijk      | FidoNet  : 2:281/1.7                 |
      |  The Netherlands        | BIX      : nicolas                   |
      *================================================================*
From: harris@gallium.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: posting with subject? ...
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:04:39 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1992Nov3.195011.12052@rtsg.mot.com> king@rtsg.mot.com writes:
>harris@gallium.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) publicly declared:
>>In article <1458@icluna.kobe-u.ac.jp> hishika@icluna.kobe-u.ac.jp (Eiichi Hishikawa) writes:
>>I don't know what newsreader you are using.  If you use nn, while
>>reading the group, type ":post" without the quotations.  If you use
>>trn/rn, exit [t]rn and type "Pnews" without the quotations, at the
>>prompt.
>
>In trn or rn, you use "f" to post new articles as well as to
>follow-up. 
[...]
>You can also exit and invoke Pnews, but why waste your time?

Because if you get used to using 'f' for ALL posts, followup or
otherwise, it becomes very easy to make an out-of-thread post.  If you
mistakenly hit the $, sending you to the pseudoarticle, and type f,
you will get a normal looking screen, and (especially if you're new to
the net) you may end up posting a subjectless article which you think
is a follup but in fact is an original posting.

Meanwhile, if you neglect to type the $ when you should, you are
presented with a screen with the wrong subject in the headers.  A
newuser would be likely to simply change the subject line, resulting
in a post on talk.politics about a Quebecois running for Parliament
being threaded to a discussion about Bill Clinton, which would result
in the newbie very likely getting flamed.

I stand by what I wrote, if for no other reason, than because it is
straightforward and less confusing.

Trey Harris
--Stranger in a Strange Thread!
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: fernando@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (Fernando Pineda)
Subject: Why are my posts corrupted?
Reply-To: fernando@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (Fernando Pineda)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University/Applied Physics Labs
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:13:46 GMT


Here's what I'm doing:

1) I edit my text with MacWrite II on my Mac IIfx and then save the file as a 
text file.

2) I ftp the file to an IBM R/S 6000 workstation and check it using "more"
and "vi". It looks OK. 

3) I run TCP/Connect II on my Mac IIfx and post the file to sci.aquari (you can
look there for the disasters). 

The posted files are incomplete or corrupted.

Does anyone have similar experiences as to what might be going on?

Fernando Pineda (fernando@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: johnc@Newbridge.COM (John Clark)
Subject: Locating a Newsgroup
Organization: Newbridge Networks Corporation
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:18:43 GMT


Hello,

I'm trying to locate a newgroup that deals with IN (Intelligent
Networks -- the jury is still out on the oxymoron issue) but I'm
having no luck.  Other than grepping my .newsrc, is there any way
I can search for the existence of such a beast?

Email if you can help.  (johnc@newbridge.com)

Thanks!


-- 
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John Clark (613) 591-3600 | host% got a light?
Newbridge Networks Corp.  | No match.
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Xref: sparky news.newusers.questions:4919 misc.test:12949
From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions,misc.test
Subject: Re: Who is Carasso?
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:56:08 GMT
Followup-To: news.newusers.questions
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.


 In article <1992Nov5.030616.21062@rtfm.mlb.fl.us>, john@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (John Blasik) writes:
 > In article <bja1k5d@rpi.edu> keegan@acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.) writes:
 > >brein@gpvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Barry S. Rein) writes:
 > >->I have freqeuntly seen the name "Carasso" referred to.  Who is this Carasso
 > >->person?  
 > >
 > >god.
 > mud.

He's the little guy who turns the light on and off in your refrigerator
and hides behind the pickles when the door is open. 

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Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: mayers@gnat.syr.EDU (Michael  Ayers)
Subject: Re: Article rejected...
In-reply-to: patel@key.amdahl.com's message of 6 Nov 92 19:24:24 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 02:09:47 EST

In article <3836@key.COM> patel@key.amdahl.com (Chandresh Patel) writes:

>   I am enclosing the article I tried to post and was unsuccessful
>   after numerous tries. Can somebody analyse and throw some light?
>   I am using xnews working on sun ipx using nntp server.

The only part that counts is:

>   inews: Article rejected: patel included more text than new text
>   /usr/lib/news/inews failed
>
>   Your response has been saved in ~/dead.letter


    Apparently your news program was set up (most likely by the local
 admin - I'm not sure how it was done) to enforce the netiquette
 guideline not to send more old copy than new.

    I think if you chop out most of the quoting and leave only enough
 for the people on the newsgroup to recognize the thread, you will find
 that the article will post.

    Try it, eh?


--

             Mike                       mayers@rodan.acs.syr.edu

    ADA:Reliable software must kill people reliably.
From: harris@gallium.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: What if my system doesn't subscribe to a newsgroup?
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:12:33 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In response to those of you who want to get newsgroups that aren't
available on your machine (whether through simply not showing up,
or from the local newsadmin setting an expiration period of 0 to
articles in the group), there is an option if you can use telnet.
Many machines around have all newsgroups publicly available.  The
FreeNets are one good option.

Another is the UNC Extended Bulletin Board System, which is free, you
simply have to send them a signed statement in order to post news and
send/receive internet mail.  The address is any of the following
(though I suspect the last is the best, for it is the newest):
bbs.oit.unc.edu
lambada.oit.unc.edu
launchpad.oit.unc.edu
And log in as 'bbs.'

Trey Harris
--Stranger in a Strange Thread!
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: Where info on K12 groups?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 21:22:16 GMT
Organization: AS&M Inc
Reply-To: J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov
In-reply-to: chuckc@fc.hp.com's message of Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:51:16 GMT

In article <BxFsDG.267@fc.hp.com> chuckc@fc.hp.com (Chuck Cairns) writes:

   Hi Netters,
   Can anyone please tell me where to get info on the K12 groups. I'm
   interested in setting up some penpals for some elementary kids
   here in Colorado.
   Thanks,
   cc

The "List of Alternative Newsgroups/Hierarchies" (or some very similar
name) is periodically posted to news.answers, news.lists, news.groups,
and a few other places.  If it's expired at your site, wait for it,
or use anonymous FTP to browse in rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.*.
Or send the message "help" (w/o quotes) to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu.

Good luck.
--
J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@LaRC.NASA.Gov> +1 804/864-2148
    employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at
         NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
From: missy@iowegia.uucp (Melissa S. Brown)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: HI
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 18:27:55 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

Iam learning alot about cpomputer lately the one at work has a 
mined of it own lately. Sorry about the goof up there my fingers 
type to fast at time hitting to maykeys.

Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: dmaluso@MtHolyoke.edu (Diane Maluso)
Subject: Where find Mac Archive list?
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:07:55 GMT


Can anyone tell me where I can find a list of archives for Macintosh
software?  I found sumex (info-mac) but that's the only one so far.  I
vaguely remember seeing a list somewhere on the net but can't find it now.
 Thanks in advance,
Diane Maluso
dmaluso@mhc.mtholyoke.edu