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From: rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu (Rao Akella)
Subject: Re: Presidential quote (Bush/atheism)
Reply-To: rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu
Organization: Colon Cancer Control Study, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 02:31:07 GMT



There will always be prayer in school as long as there are final exams.

-- Rao Akella    <rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu, rao%moose@umnacvx.bitnet>

Newsgroups: alt.quotations
From: csmith@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu (craig edward smith)
Subject: Re: Progress
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:43:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.220004.4150@zip.eecs.umich.edu> macika@emunix.emich.edu (Dominic Macika (Asst. Lab Supervisor)) writes:
>A reasonable man adapts himself to the world around him,
>while an unreasonable man expects the world to adapt to him.
>Therefore, all progress is caused by unreasonable men.

An addendum:
In fact, all CHANGE, for good or ill, is caused by such men.  It is therefore
paramount to teach men what is RIGHT, and not just what IS.

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From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Presidential quote (Bush/atheism)
Reply-To: Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:00:16 GMT

rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:

>tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
>>     From an old copy of the Alt.atheist FAQ list:
>>23. "Did George Bush really say that atheists should not be considered
>>     citizens?"

>>     President Bush made the comments during a campaign stop on August 27,
>>     1988 at O'Hare airport.  He spoke with Robert Sherman, chief spokesman
>>     for American Atheists:

>>     RS: "Mr. President, what will you do to win the votes of Americans
>>          who are Atheists?"

>Except that he wasn't president, or even president elect.  Either
>Robert Sherman cocked up when he asked he question and reported it, or
>someone's been playing with the quote to give it more outrage value.

Or they are (quite properly) saying "the man who is currently President 
made the comments...". 

"President Bush made the comments" does *not* necessarily imply that
he was president at the time the comments were made, merely that he was
president at the time the writer commented on the matter!

And there's no easy way around this in English. What you'd have the writer
saying "Presidential candidate Bush made the comments" is equally incorrect.
Because at the time of the *writing*, he was *not* a candidate! 
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From: mgm@world.std.com (michael g moncur)
Subject: quotation quotations - was This should have been...
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 07:05:29 GMT

rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu (Rao Akella) writes:

>"It is a good thing for an uneducated man to read books of quotations."
>		-- Winston Churchill, "My Early Life" (1930), ch.9

>Before you start slavering in anticipation of the flames you will roast me
>with, don't bother: this quote has already been the subject of a flame-war
>(albeit a minor one) in rec.arts.books.

Hopefully, that won't happen - this newsgroup isn't for defending or
attacking quotations, just for posting them, finding them, and arguing
about who said them or what they said. :)
 
More quotes that should have been the first one posted: 
 
"Famous remarks are very seldom quoted correctly."
            --Simeon Strunsky

"It is better to be quotable than to be honest."
            -- Tom Stoppard

"Quotation, n: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another."
            -- Ambrose Bierce: The Devil's Dictionary

"I improve on misquotation."
            -- Cary Grant

"I hate quotations. Tell me what you know."
            -- Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)

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From: smac@iconix.oz.au (Stuart McCormack)
Subject: Re: Looking for some information
Keywords: Help
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:50:50 GMT

In <C02Asr.3Gv@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> egburr@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Edward Glen Burr) writes:

>All my life, I've heard, "Curiosity killed the cat."  A few years ago,
>I heard what might be a second line, "Satisfaction brought it back."  
>Some time later, I heard that this was from an old nursery rhyme.  
>However, despite a lot of searching, I have never been able to foind 
>out any more about this.  If anyone could help me out, I would be very 
>appreciative.
>                               Thanks,
>                                 Edward Burr
>                                 egburr@ecn.uoknor.edu

( Spelling and typoggraphical errors follow )

Tomas Gray, Elegy To A Favourite Cat Drowned In A Bowl Of Goldfishes

( Also the source of the "glistens gold" quote. )

Finishes up:

	From hence, ye beauties, undeceived
	Know one false step is ne'er retrieved
	And be with caution bold.
	Not all that tempts your wandering eyes
	And heedless hearts is lawful prize,
	Not all that glisters gold.

	smac


>-- 




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From: kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman)
Subject: Re: MST3K
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 06:05:14 GMT

I have too take what seems to be an unpopular position on usenet.

rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu writes:
>> MST3K = Mystery Science Theatre 3000
>> THIS IS BY FAR THE FUNNIEST SHOW ON TV IN THE PAST TEN YEARS!!!!!!
>> Find it... watch it... love it...
>> You won't be disapointed!
>Hear, hear!  I enthusiastically second the above endorsement with no
>reservations whatsoever.  

It is, IMHO one of the stupidest shows ever made, and one of the stupidest
concepts for a show. Imagine sitting in a theature and having three jerks in
front of you who will not stop talking through the entire film. It bugs me
when it happens in real life, why would I want to see it on TV?

>It's the source of all those "Joel" and "Crow" and "Tom
>Servo" quotes you may have seen floating around on Usenet, ...
>
What they don't tell you is that they are constantly talking. If you tell
enough jokes, eventually some of them are going to be funny. I hve watched
a few shows and I would estimate that they are funny about once every seven
or eight minutes; figure 2% of the time. The other 98% are just plain stupid.

Don't take my word for it though. Watch any ten minutes at ant point in any
show. Either you will think its brilliant, or - more likely - you will just be
bored and annoyed; just as you would be if it happened in a theature.

Michael

-- 
Michael Kaufman | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on
 kaufman        | fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in
  @eecs.nwu.edu | the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be
                | lost in time - like tears in rain. Time to die.     Roy Batty
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Fools and Silence (was Re: Who said this? (Don't have a Bartlett's handy))
From: kubo@widder.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo)
Date: 27 Dec 92 01:45:40 EST
Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ.

>'Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open
>	[one's] mouth and remove all doubt.
>
>I have been under the (misguided?) impression that this was Abe Lincoln,
>and have been informed that it was M. Twain. 

There's an older Latin version which says, approximately:
  "had you not spoken, you would have remained a philosopher"

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From: mgm@world.std.com (michael g moncur)
Subject: Re: Truth (various)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 06:13:46 GMT

"Truth is more of a stranger than fiction."
            --Mark Twain

"...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
            --Sherlock Holmes [Sir Arthur Conan Doyle]

"It is always the best policy to speak the truth--unless, of course, you
are an exceptionally good liar."
            --Jerome K. Jerome

"Any fool can tell the truth, but it requires a man of some sense to
 know how to lie well."
  - Samuel Butler

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves
 up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
  - Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

"Truth is beautiful, without doubt; but so are lies."
                -- Ralph Waldo Emerson


[that's just a search for the word 'truth' from my ever-growing favorite
quote file.  Hope it's at least a bit interesting.]

-- 
~`~`michael moncur - mgm@world.std.com / sysop@onlybbs.via.mind.org ~`~`
From: mccaughe@logos.Berkeley.EDU (Eric McCaughrin)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Re: a pesky quote
Date: 23 Dec 1992 02:01:22 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: logos.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec22.224130.3512@mprgate.mpr.ca> duncan@mpr.ca (Nick Duncan) writes:
>
>Who said: "An unexamined life is not worth living." ???
>
>This has been bugging me for a while.

Dianne Chambers from the TV show "Cheers"

-- 
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Eric McCaughrin			"I can't give you brains, but I can give
mccaughe@ic.berkeley.edu	 you a diploma"	   -- The Wizard of Oz
From: chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Charlie Brown : Ice-Cream...
Date: 26 Dec 1992 18:06:23 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

Life is like an ice-cream cone, you have to lick it one day at a time.
							- Charlie Brown

Chua
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From: prichard@devon.larc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: A. Lincoln's Gettysburg Address
Date: 30 Dec 92 10:11:45
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.
NNTP-Posting-Host: devon.larc.nasa.gov


probably a bit long for this group, but truly a classic;


			Lincoln's Address at Gettysburg
	

				19 November, 1863


	Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this 
continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the
proposition that all men are created equal.

	Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that
nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure.  We
are met on a great battle field of that war.  We have come to dedicate a 
portion of that field, as a final resting-place for those who here gave
their lives that that nation might live.  It is altogether fitting and 
proper that we should do this.

	But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate- we can not consecrate- we
can not hallow- this ground.  The brave men, living and dead, who struggled
here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract.
The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but it can 
never forget what they did here.  It is for us the living, rather, to be
dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who have fought here have
thus far so nobly advanced.  It is rather for us to be here dedicated to
the great task remaining before us- that from these honored dead we take
increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure
of devotion- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have
died in vain- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of
freedom- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people,
shall not perish from the earth.



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Subject: Who said this?
From: cscmd@lux.latrobe.edu.au (Mitch Davis)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 01:34:42 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University

From somewhere in the HitchHiker's Guide to the Galaxy:

"I'm only doing it because I like your robot"

Who said this, and where?  It's been bugging me all week, and I can't
find out where it was.

Anyone?

Mitch.
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
From: dove@leland.Stanford.EDU (The White Blackbird)
Subject: Norman Maclean quotes
Organization: Absolute Zero
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 04:46:06 GMT

This is quickly becoming my favorite newsgroup.  Someone recently
asked for some _River Runs Though It_ quotes.  Here are a few I found
moving.

	"Help," he said, "is giving part of yourself to somebody who
	comes to accept it willingly and needs it badly.

	"So it is," he said, using an old homiletic transition, "that
	we can seldom help anybody.  Either we don't know what part to
	give or maybe we don't like to give any part of ourselves.
	Then, more often than not, the part that is needed is not
	wanted.  And even more often, we do not have the part that is
	needed.  It is like the auto-supply shop over town where they
	always say, 'Sorry, we are just out of that part.'"

					    -- Norman Maclean
					       _A River Runs Through It_


     From _A River Runs Through It_:

	"At sunrise everything is luminous but not clear."

	"It is those we live with and love and should know who elude
	us."

	"You can love completely without complete understanding."

						by Norman Maclean



	"One of life's quiet excitements is to stand somewhat apart
	from yourself and watch yourself softly becoming the author of
	something beautiful, even if it is only falling ash."

						-- Norman Maclean


I keep a whole directory of long quotes plus a short quote file.  If
you have AFS access feel free to look it up in:
	
	   /afs/ir.stanford.edu/users/dove/pub/thoughts

If this actually works for you, drop me a line to let me know what you
think.

take care,
-=dav
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
From: aaron@atlantis.uucp
Subject: Quote from Les Miserables
Organization: Atlantis Communications, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 04:21:47 GMT

A quote that I found in Les Miserables(the book by Victor Hugo)that I liked,
in the description of Javert, is the following:

"The peasants of the Asturias believe that in every litter of wolves there is
one pup that is killed by the mother for fear that on growing up it would
devour the other little ones."

-- 
---Alfvaen(Still looking for "October's Baby")
"Give me your mirth.  It bores me when you weep.                                 My loves you cannot touch.  They're buried deep."  ---Don Marquis
Current Album--The Cure:Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me
Current Read--Tesseracts4
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From: fstawit@marge.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon)
Subject: Five Quotes from me  (part 1)
Originator: fstawit@marge
Organization: Institute for Computational Mechanics in Propulsion
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:48:57 GMT


Hi quote lovers,

Over the past 1.5 years of participating in Usenet, i got into the
habit of inventing a quotation of my own and appended it to the end of
a post. I think some of them are pretty good (boo!), and would
like to share with firends in this group. I have tons of them and will
release 5 of them each week.

Yours whatever,
-tawit

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Being a President of the USA is not as easy as in the past.
Nowadays, you must know if half a cup of water is half-full
or half-empty.



Half a cup of water is half-full, with air.



Ocassionally, I make a mistake. Most of the time, I spend my
time correcting my mistakes.



I'm smart enough to know that I'm stupid.


Be an angel...Don't be yourself!


-tawit

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From: jess@gvlf4-v.gvl.unisys.com (Jess Nadel)
Subject: Elwood Quote
Organization: Paramax Systems Corporation, Paoli PA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:07:06 GMT

It's 106 miles to Chicago,
We got a Full tank of gas,
Half a pack of cigarettes,
It's dark
And we're wearing sunglasses.

              -Elwood Blues 

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From: dpoole@hydrogen.oscs.montana.edu (David Poole)
Subject: Re: Marriage - I think not
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:16:35 GMT


  "An institution which is populare because it combines the maximum of
   temptation with the maximum of opportunity."
                 George Bernard Shaw

  "A legal or religious ceremony by which two persons of the opposite sex
   solemnly agree to harass and spy on each other...util death do them
   join."
                 Elbert Hubbard

  "Neither Heaven nor Hell.  It is simply Purgatory."
                 Abraham Lincoln

  "A ceremony in which rings are put on the finger of the lady and through
   the nose of the gentleman."
                 Herbert Spencer
 

Dav[e|id]
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From: kbeal@amber (Ken Beal)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Re: Slick Willie
Date: 24 Dec 1992 16:43:46 GMT
Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
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Bill Marcum (bmarcum@world.std.com) wrote:
: In article <1h7k8dINNrij@travis.csd.harris.com> kbeal@amber (Ken Beal) writes:
: >
: >I'd like to take exception to this, as well as Asimov's quote from his
: >_Foundation_ series that:
: >
: >	"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
: >
: >While they >sound< great, they are both grammatically incorrect (or, I am
: >reading the wrong thing into them, which could be the case but I doubt it).
: >
: >If X was the "last refuge" of Y, then wouldn't it make sense that Y would
: >try >everything else< before trying X?  I.e. it is their "last resort," as
: >it were?  This would be giving Y much more credit than Y deserves (i.e.
: >the quotes are trying to show that Y is wrong/a fool/an idiot, and my
: >grammatical interpretation of them shows that Y will exhaust all options
: >before trying X).
: >
: >It would be much better worded "X is the first refuge of Y", would it not?
: >
: >Just a thought.
: >--
: Maybe the point is that a fool will try everything he can _think_ of, where
: someone wiser might find a better way.

But still, if violence is the last refuge of the >in<competent, then what
pray tell is the last refuge of the >competent<?  (I don't think there is
any difference, really; unless Asimov meant that the competent will try
violence >before< ruling out all other options, which I highly doubt).

In other words, if a competent person comes across a problem that they
absolutely cannot solve, will they resort to violence?  If so, then the
quotation doesn't differentiate between the two and is thus basically
useless.

Too bad we can't ask the author. :-(
--
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"I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!" - MST3k  | Learn.  Keep moving.
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From: elliston@osf.org (David Elliston)
Subject: Re: My fave quote for the '90s
Keywords: Gore Vidal quote Generation X
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:57:52 GMT

In article <BzMxrF.76D@world.std.com> kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey) writes:
> "Whenever a friend succeeds, a little something in me dies."
> 
> --Gore Vidal

That reminds me of his other remark:

   "It is not enough to succeed.  Others must fail."

David
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From: BUDNICK@CC.UTAH.EDU (PETER MATTHEW BUDNICK)
Subject: Re: a paradox
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF UTAH COMPUTER CENTER
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 23:11:10 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <BzMBpA.1y3@ie.utoronto.ca> xiao@ie.utoronto.ca writes:

> 	"We learn from history that we learn nothing from history"

Does anyone have a reference for this quotation?
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
From: egburr@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Edward Glen Burr)
Subject: Looking for some information
Summary: Curiosity killed the cat
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:43:38 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Keywords: Help

All my life, I've heard, "Curiosity killed the cat."  A few years ago,
I heard what might be a second line, "Satisfaction brought it back."  
Some time later, I heard that this was from an old nursery rhyme.  
However, despite a lot of searching, I have never been able to foind 
out any more about this.  If anyone could help me out, I would be very 
appreciative.
                               Thanks,
                                 Edward Burr
                                 egburr@ecn.uoknor.edu



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From: Catherine.Collingwood@launchpad.unc.edu (Catherine Collingwood)
Subject: reality
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:51:50 GMT

I believe that truth and unconditional love will have the final say
in reality.

Martin Luther King, Jr.

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