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From: terry@pride386.PP.COM (Terry Lyons)
Subject: Re: What is an envelope filter
Organization: Pride Plastics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:34:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.192201.21716@dgbt.doc.ca> serge@dgbt.doc.ca (Serge Ah Hee) writes:
>My brother was wondering... what is an envelope filter? In the most recent
>I thought the were using a wah-wah. Can anybody confirm this?

ENVELOPE FILTER;  a VCF (Voltage Controlled Filter ) the volume or 
"envelope" is used as the controlling voltage to (usually) drive the 
cut off up or down. there will also be a control to vary the 
resonance.
this is basically a synth filter and can be mistaken for a WAWA 
pedal real easy.
terry


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From: ADCBB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU (C. Brian Batey)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Martin guitars
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:24:36 GMT
Organization: LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY

In article <1992Aug27.135707.28356@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
jgn@vixen.uucp (22122-niederberger) writes:
 
>Your humble opinion is obviously ill-informed, behind-the-times,
>of-low-quality, and not-to-be-taken-seriously.
>
>That's just my opinion (no flames please).
>
 Don't send flames if you don't want them in return.
 I hardly see your disagreement with my opinion as grounds for
 slandering my intelligence/ character.
>
>While it's true that Martin did experience a quality decline in the
>seventies due to ramping up production, they were still better on
>average than just about any other large producer at the time.  Today
>is a totally different story.  Martin is putting out some of the best
>quality instruments ever, and the only way I could back this statement
>up is to say "go try one, or two, or better yet, a whole shop full
>(for example, Mandolin Bros.)"
>
 In my 13 years of playing, I have had the opportunity to play more
 than 1 or 2 Martins.  My first guitar was a Sigma.  I've played
 models from the late 60's up to the current model D-18's, 35's, and
 45's.  This is hardly grounds for an "uninformed" and "behind-the-
 times" opinion, don't you think.  I've even had the opportunity
 to play a Taylor, a Guild, an Adamas, a Takamine, and an Alvarez-Yairi
 side-by-side with the Martins for comparison.
>
>No matter who is building them, an individual guitar is an
>*individual*.  No two are the same, even if they share a model number
>and were made by the same person on the same day from the same wood
>stock.  Even a master luthier produces a "dog" now and then
>(relatively speaking, an instrument that is below his/her "average")
>as well as an occasional "superstar".  We shouldn't confuse "quality"
>with "consistency" although the two are related.
>
 True enough, but I haven't played "just one"...see above.
 Also, let there be no confusion, without consistency, there is no
 quality....'nuff said.
>
>I'm not saying that Martin's are the ultimate, but it pisses me off to
>see an excellent company maligned by an ignoramus.
>
Please realize, I'm not a long time Martin-hater, in fact, at one time
I had fond dreams of someday being able to afford one, but the more
of them that I play, the more convinced I become that there are
better guitars for the money.  I'm sure that I'm not the only "ignoramus"
out here who holds this "low-quality" opinion.....Ignoramus' Unite!!
>
>BTW, Taylors are nice instruments, comparable to Martin in terms of
>quality.
>
>Guilds? Ha HA HA HA HA!!
Ever played one side-by-side with a Martin?
>
>IMHO (no flames please).
>
>Joe N.
From: mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: FTP help
Date: 2 Sep 1992 23:01:35 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdacs.ucsd.edu

In article <92243.184002JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu> JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>No...it's an FTP site.  There are MANY bands/musicians' songs in here, all
>wonderfully tabbed or chorded. I will assume you haven't FTP'd before, but if
>you have, then ignore this.
>
>               type:  ftp ftp.nevada.edu
>         the site will ask you to log in
>               type:  anonymous       --> that's why it's called anonymous FTP
>         the site will ask for a password
>               type in your e-mail address
>         the stuff is in directory /pub/guitar so
>               type: cd /pub/guitar
>         the site will acknowledge the change in directories and
>             present you with a command prompt
>               type: dir  --> this lists what's there
>         to get a particular musician/band
>               type: cd /pub/guitar/Pink_Floyd  --> if you were after Floyd
>                                                                      stuff
>         to list that directory
>               type: dir
>         to download the particular song you want
>               type: get <song title> --> remember to type the title EXACTLY as
>                                          written in the directory list...this
>                                          goes for changing directories, too.
>         the song will be transferred to your account, where you can print it
>             at leisure
>         to leave the ftp site and return to your normal place of computing
>               type: bye or quit (depending on your system)
>
>   If I screwed up in this description, don't anybody flame me...this is how I
>   FTP stuff from there.  If it's wrong, let me know (although the process does
>   work!)
>                         Cheers,
>                         Jean Prior aka jap8@psuvm.psu.edu
>                         aka Chainsaw
>
> **** Penn State cares about my money, not my opinions. ****

I left the rest for those who may have missed the original article.  Here's
something that you should all know:

When you do 'get' in ftp, it will put the file into the directory you were in
when you ran ftp.  I make sure I'm in my git_tab directory before I run
ftp, so my tabs don't end up all over my local account.
Also, you can say:

get RollingStones/BrownSugar that_RS_tune

which will rename BrownSugar to 'that_RS_tune' in your local directory.
Note that I did this from pub/guitar, which means I haven't done
'cd RollingStones' to get into the RS directory.

Another trick is to do:

mget RollingStones/*

which will 'get' all the files in the RollingStones directory for you.

Michael Breen
singing and philosophizing
(and trying to ease the flow of information)
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From: schubert@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Schubert Alex)
Subject: Request G'n'R   Patience.crd
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 11:34:10 GMT

[ Article crossposted from alt.guitar.tab ]
[ Author was Schubert Alex ]
[ Posted on Fri, 4 Sep 1992 11:22:30 GMT ]




PATIENCE (by Guns n Roses)
===========================

Intro:
C G A D    C G A D
C G C Em   C G D D

C
Shed a tear cause I'm missing you
    G
I'm still allright to smile
A                            D
Girl I think about you every day now


C
Was a time when I wasn't sure
        G
But you set my mind at ease
A                               D
There is no doubt, you're in my heart now


C          G
Sad woman take it slow
        C               Em
It will work itself out fine
C              G               D
All we need is just a little patience


C          G
Sad sugar make it slow and
   C              Em
It comes together fine
C              G               D
All we need is just a little patience


Sit here on the stairs
Cause I'd rather be alone
If I can't have you right now
I'll wait dear

Sometimes I get so candescent
But I can't speed up the time
You know love, there's one more thing
To consider


Sad woman take it slow
And things will be just fine
You and I just use a little patience

Sad sugar take the time
Cause the lights are shining bright
You and I got what it takes to make it


D
We don't fake it
D
Ahh and never break it
D
Cause I can't take it



Solo


G    C
A little patience
G    C
Mhh Yeah


G
I've been walking the streets tonight
C
Just trying to get it right
G
It's hard to see with so many around
C
Noone doesn't like my stucking the ground
        G
And the streets don't change but maybe the name
C
I ain't got time for the game
        G
Cause I need you
                  C
Yeah Yeah cause I need you
      G
Uh I need you
      D
Woh I need you
          G   C  G
Uhh this time



Well, the lyrics are from a friend, who tried to figure them out. I don't guarantee they're absolutely 
correct, but I guess they can give you a very good idea of the song. (Any corrections?)
Thus I could post a corrected version.

Did anyone figure out  the  Intro   and Solo ?
Your posting would be appreciated!

Have fun playing it!!!!!


           Alex  (almost a real Schubert  :)


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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Xref: sparky alt.guitar:7500 alt.guitar.tab:1895 alt.guitar.bass:1179
From: sbb1@ra.msstate.edu (Shay B. Berthelson)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab,alt.guitar.bass
Subject: BASS TAB/MUSIC
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:41:46 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University

Hi I play the bass, but I am extremely rusty and I don't have any one to 
play with or discuss with.  SO I was wondering if anyone out there had any
BASS music, Tab, that they would be interested in posting.  I don't care
what song or style.  I just want some stuff to work with.  I would like
to see some Big Band sounds or real bluesy stuff.  I will be willing to 
discuss anything with anyone about the Bass.  You learn from doing and 
I always want to learn.  I posted a similiar article a good while back and 
had many people respond, especially others ;wanting to see the same thing.


Thanks
Shay B.



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From: jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: chord names and help on django's "nuages"
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:24:45 GMT
Organization: University of Utah

after many weeks of trying to figure out some django tunes by ear, i
finally broke down and bought a book.  it contains some tablature, as
well as some standard musical notation.  the book has been very
helpful, but has raised a few questions for me.

the book gives the following nomenclature:

D6/9        A13        D9

-x-----------5----------5--- e
-5-----------7----------5--- B
-4-----------6----------5--- G
-4-----------5----------4--- D
-5-----------x----------5--- A
-x-----------5----------x--- E

the D6/9 i can understand, but the other two confuse me.  clearly the
A13 chord contains a G (the seventh), and the D9 contains a C (again,
the seventh).  so my first question is this: is this notation
ambiguous, or do the names "A13" and "D9" somehow imply the presence
of the seventh?  should they perhaps be named A7/13 and D7/9?

now to the second question: in django reinhardt's "nuages," the book
lists chord names, but gives no tablature.  according to the book, the
first four chords played are: Db9, Bbm6, C-9, and FM7.  i am currently
playing it like this:

Db9   Bbm6    C-9   FM7

-x-----?-------x-----0--- e
-4-----?-------2-----1--- B
-4-----?-------3-----2--- G
-3-----?-------2-----3--- D
-4-----?-------3-----3--- A
-x-----?-------x-----x--- E

my problem is this: i cannot find a voicing of the Bbm6 that sounds
right.  i know that the chord contains some or all of the following
notes: Bb (root), C# (minor third), F (fifth), and G (sixth).

i realize that this is a terribly nitpicky question, but is there a
guitarist out there who is familiar enough with this song to help me?

--
jonathan byrd
jon@apollo.med.utah.edu
From: glenn@moeng2.morgan.edu (D. Glenn Arthur Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: nonstandard guitar techniques
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:16:01 GMT
Organization: The Space-Time Fabrication Institute, Rockville, MD.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Aug29.183549.15413@tamsun.tamu.edu> mds8539@tamuts.tamu.edu writes:
[...]
>the 'gizmotron' was for Jimmy Page (they say who built it) and
>was a little box with an antenna.  As you get closer to the antenna
>the pitch would change.  In addition there was a knob that could
[...]
>By the way, does anyone know any technical specifications of my
>'version' (description) of the gizmotron?  I think I have the 
>basic idea of how it really works, but I won't belabor the net
>with a first draft version...

Hmm.  That sounds a whole lot like what I've heard called a theramin.

Ahh, here we go -- I had the spelling wrong:

| theremin ('thetaer&schwa.mIn). Also theremin, and with capital initial.  An
| electronic musical instrument in which the tone is generated by two
| high-frequency oscillators and the pitch controlled by the movement of the
| performer's hand towards and away from the circuit (see quot. 1971).

(That's from an online OED.)

I understood that it was some sort of capacative effect.  I could be
mistaken.  I've wanted to play with one for a while.



-- 
D. Glenn Arthur Jr., The Human Vibrator, glenn@bessel.umd.edu
"Being a _man_ means knowing that one has a choice not to act like a 'man'."

How much interest is there in a TV/TS newsgroup?  How many would post there?
You can send me mail anonymously at wi.2743@wizvax.methuen.ma.us (was wi.79)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: larryh@cabezon.uucp (Larry Huntley)
Subject: Re: Date 
Organization: Logic Modeling Inc of Beaverton Oregon
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:50:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.005045.11894@ousrvr.oulu.fi> pkor@phoenix.oulu.fi (Pasi Korhonen) writes:
>larryh@cabezon.uucp (Larry Huntley) writes:
>> 	1964.  Gibson serial numbers for 1964 started at 200000,
>> 	ended at 250335.  
>> 
>> 	Reference: A. R. Duchossoir, "Guitar Identification",
>> 	July 1990. 
>> 
>Funny, in the Gruhn book they say that numbers from 152990 to
>250335 are 1964, and some of the numbers 174223-176643 were used in
>1965. Gruhn says that their info was 'originally compiled by A.R
>Duchossoir from Gibson records. Some documented numbers and dates were
>added.' Duchossoirs book Gibson Electrics, vol.1 ends to 1961.
>
	My error of omission, Pasi.  A second look at Duchossoir reveals:

	64240 - 64455    1964
	64601 - 64709    1964
	65000 - 70501    1964
	144305 - 144380  1964
	149865 - 149891  1964
	152990 - 174222  1964
	174223 - 176643  1964, 1965
	176644 - 199999  1964
	200000 - 250355  1964

	The EB0 in question was dated correctly (as you verified) but my
	posting left the impression that those were the only serial numbers
	used in 1964.

	Sorry for any confusion.

	- Larry Huntley
		

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: deal_j@apollo.HP.COM (John Deal)
Subject: Re: Martin guitars
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:19:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Aug28.042645.7016@slammer.UUCP>, brad@slammer.UUCP (Brad Isley) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug27.135707.28356@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jgn@vixen.uucp (22122-niederberger) writes...... (It's really Brad Isley but I can't figure out
this news editor !!) 
||>|> .... Lots of shelling from both sides of the border ..... 
|> 'Scuse me?  You are quite in the minority here, with your Guild bashing.
|> .... digs a deep trench for the Guild side .....
|> 

I just purchased my first "real" acoustic guitar about 3 months ago and was
very suprised with what I wound up with.  What I wanted was a steel string
acoustic with reasonable tone and projection with a cutaway for around $600 -
$700 range.  The type of music I like to play is jazz/pop standards in the
cord/melody (cord soloing) sytle (since I am always playing by myself :-().
Anyway, I quickly gave up on the cutaway since it seemed that the only ones
I liked were way above my price range.  So with that, I continued.

I assumed from reading what I could find, that the I would wind up with a 
Martin Shannadoa (sp?) or for a little more money a Taylor 410.  I tired several
Shannadoas which were ok, but nothing that really grabed me (I know, these are
not "real" Martins, but $800 I could almost do but $1100 I could not).  A friend
(and also works at a music shop) recommanded that I try this Guild he had.  It
was a D4.  The guitar played great !!  The neck felt like I have known it for
years.  The tone however, was VERY dark.  The darkest guitar I have ever heard.
This would not do but the feel never left my head.

I then found a shop that carried Taylor 410s.  Nicer than the Martin S. I tried
(a bit more expensive but within budget, sort of) and I liked it.  After a long
discussion with the sales person about what I was looking for and the style of
music I play, he got me to try a Guild D-30 MAPLE guitar.  It just blew me 
away !!   Its playability was a bit better than the D-4 I tried earlier and
much better than the Martin S. and Taylor 410 and a much brighter than any
of the others.  I got it on the spot.

After living with the D-30 for a few months a few things have come out.  One,
it does not have the projection of some of the Martins I have heard.  It also
seems to built heavier than the Martin and Taylor which, as other postings
have indicated could be the reason for its lost projection.  A guitarsmith
associate of mind stated that Guilds used to be built way to heavy (mid 1970's?)
but that they have gotten away from that.  Also, I wish the frets were a bit
taller but I noticed that all the acoustics I tired had somewhat short (but not
always small) frets.  Is there a reason for this?  And yes, sometimes the
tone is a little too bright.

I guess the bottom line is that what I preceived what I wanted and what I wound
up with were very different.  My preconceived  ideas were somewhat incomplete.

   


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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: fineratd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Thad D Fineran)
Subject: chili peppers...
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:08:49 GMT


Anyone out there figure out this song?  If so, chords and runs would be  
appreciated.  Time doesn't permit me to try to figure them out.

Thanks,
	td
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek)
Subject: Re: Which Fender Strat is best ?
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:27:15 GMT

Yeah, I'm pretty happy with my Squier, mainly because of the feel of the  
frets. It's like a re-issue of an older strat where the frets are a little  
leaner than those they're using now (which are practically jumbos). It  
also has the older stock bridge assembly which I like. I might be a little  
happier with it of the the body was a nice solid hardwood instead of ply.  
And the pickups could be better, but they are decent, and I have yet to  
change them.

AK
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: fishead@cwis.unomaha.edu (David L. Britton)
Subject: Re: ADA MP-1
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:26:01 GMT

I've seen the MP-1 for about 475, not much lower (this was a local dealer).


Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: aash@ms.uky.edu (aash)
Subject: Re: Why few people have Perfect Pitch
    <1992Aug21.184544.8747@athena.mit.edu> <05_n58+.kent@netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 20:43:31 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <05_n58+.kent@netcom.com> kent@netcom.com (Kent Crispin) writes:
>
>There was a very long thread about perfect pitch in comp.music or
>rec.music.makers a while ago.  As I recall, the findings were that
>yes, in theory people have the ability to learn perfect pitch, but
>some people have more ability than others.  Unfortunately, this
>variation is quite large -- some people learn it quickly at an early
>age, and others can practice all their life.
> [...]
>At least I thought I was -- it's always possible that what was really
>happening was that on some days my ear was completely out to lunch
>(nice mixed metaphors, eh :-), and I just thought I was dead on.


i think this is a brain hemisphere thing.   that's why some
are able to learn it and some not as easily.  i don't really have
a dominant hemiphere that i know of, but when i was studying
physics and calculus for finals week (all that left brain stuff)
i couldn't carry a tune worth anything!  after decompressing
for a week or so, and deliberly NOT thinking about physics
and calculus, and concentrating on music, i got it back, but
i've noticed it comes and goes.  maybe that right brain is
really cranking those nights when you are ON, and not when
you aren't?  the people i know with perfect pitch seem to
be very right brained anyway..

aash
-- 
aash@{ms.uky.edu|ukma.bitnet|ukpr}    "the only thing i ever really wanted to
{backbone|rutgers|uunet}!ukma!aash     say was wrong, was wrong, was wrong."
From: WAUGH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Hitting your axe with sticks
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:10:16 GMT
 <1992Aug28.161026.3194@cl.cam.ac.uk>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Aug28.161026.3194@cl.cam.ac.uk>, dahe@cl.cam.ac.uk (David
Elworthy) says:
>
>The person in question wasn't playing his guitar to make dulcet tones:
>he was playing it in a desparate attempt to provide a suitable rhythmn
>section for the flute/whistle player of the band, who I can best
>describe as looking and behaving like Rasputin on speed. The third
>member of the band was almost normal.

Sounds like Ian Anderson of _Jethro Tull_.  Appropos, no?
From: mpinkert@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Snowden )
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Slide guitar
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:50:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug26.194116.14417@dgbt.doc.ca> serge@dgbt.doc.ca (Serge Ah Hee) writes:
>Good Day to all!
>
>	I feel like learning slide guitar. I tried playing, but can't seem
>to get the hang of it. Does anybody have any tips? Any books or discography?
>BTW, I remember a Coke commercial were this guy is auditioning for a band. He
>takes a Coke bottle and starts playing slide on his guitar. Does anybody have 
>the tabs for this?   
>-- 
>Serge Ah-Hee                  "Most troubles come from the fact that people 
>serge@dgbt.doc.ca		take for granted of what they have, and 
>				only care for what they want."
>My opinions are mine only.

Yeah, I remember that commercial...I tried it with a Pepsi bottle
and it sounded cool....who needs the tab for it....improvise!!!

mike

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                     _
                    /|\  From tree to tree, From you to me
   the               |   Travellin' twice as fast as on any freeway
\      /  |    |  /-----\  Every single theme
 \ /\ /   |----|  | (O) |  Is wrapped up in the scheme.
  \  \    |    |  \_____/  They all get carried on the Relay.
              *** mpinkert@sdcc13.ucsd (Snowden) ***
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