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From: dlc@gasco.uucp (Darci L. Chapman  x5930)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian,rec.travel
Subject: FITS Equestrian
Keywords: FITS horsepacking Argentina
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:43:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: gasco.1992Aug28.004328.21260
Followup-To: sender
Organization: Northwest Natural Gas, Portland, OR

I'm investigating the possibilities of a 10-day horspacking trip in
Argentina (out of Mendoza) and will possibly be booking it through
a company called FITS Equestrian.

Has anybody out there in net.world dealt with FITS? Are there other
ways to book a comprable trip (I want to be up in the Andes for a 
minimum of 7 days, preferably 10, and will need an English speaking
guide).

Will summarize responses if there's enough demand.

Also, if you're interested in receiving a catalog from FITS te number
to call is 1-800-666-FITS. They have a really nice color catalog and
supplement with prices and dates. 

Thanks in advance!

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From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:58:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Drivers encounter loose horses - CO2 pistol?
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

In rec.equestrian, mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee Raines) writes:

    Dogs can see a whip better than they can a pistol, and that in itself
    may help as a deterrent.  (Plus it's probably easier to get a horse
    used to your carrying a whip than used to a gun going off.)

Actually, it is very easy to get a horse used to a gun.  One
of the exercises in training the Mounted Patrol horses is to
shoot a starting gun from behind the horses.  Most horses 
ignored the gun.  

When I was "training" my mare to guns, I started shooting 20 feet
from her.  When I didn't get any reaction, I walked closer.  Still
no reaction.  I walked up to her and shot the gun.  She gave
me a dirty look.  While not all horses are as calm as my mare, most
of them will accept the gun going off with no qualms.

Wendy

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lbm@avs.com (Linda B. Merims)
Subject: Re: Miltons breeding - grading/registration,etc - a bit long!
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:50:25 GMT
X-Posted-From: phobos.avs.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

How do the warmblood registries/stud books keep the qualification of
horses de-politicized?

There is (and has been for a long time) a great controversy raging
in the Morgan breed over the horses that are being pinned grand
champion in in-hand classes.  Many of these horses, though very
pretty and very animated, have severe conformation flaws that seem
to be ignored by the judges.  It has gotten so bad that people whose
horses are not of the most popular lines (mostly Waseeka's Nocturn via
Waseeka's In Command) don't even bother exhibiting in-hand anymore.
The American Morgan Horse Association's board of directors has been
holding regional forums to discuss the issue.  The forums havn't been
getting too far for a variety of reasons, mostly because people can't
come up with concrete, workable suggestions to change the system.

I gather that other breeds, including Arabs and Quarter Horses, have
similar problems.

I have been mightily impressed with the basic good conformation of
the warmbloods I have seen on TV.  Who assess these horses?  How does
the system maintain its integrity?  (Does it?)


Linda Merims
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: need help with stubborn horse
Date: 27 Aug 1992 20:02:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx

In article <1992Aug26.215443.23731@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman) writes:
>In Article 8479 pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
>

 >>  Does anyone have more advice about getting these two horses
 >>(the 3 and the 10 year old) to balance back at the halt? >
 >>Sarah Pallas
 >
 
 >  Finally,when you have done a lot of this kind of work and your canter-trot
 >transitions are getting better you can try a walk-canter transition.
 >This requires the horse to get their hind end under them in order to
 >start off directly into the canter, usually they are very balanced
 >for the first several strides and then gradually get heavy on the
 >forehand, at that point ask for the down transition to the trot.
>
>				Tracy and everybody 

Great advice, thanks.  Last time we did lots of trot-canter-trot and
walk-trot-walk transitions and that was helping him I think.  Maybe
another month of that will do it! But the weird thing is that he's actually
quite good at his walk-canter transitions, and has an awful time
cantering from a trot, he just runs into it.  So he knows how to
get his butt under him at some times and not at others.  Don't know
if I mentioned that he's a TB off the track, so we're quite happy that
he is now able to slow his canter down!

-Sarah
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Different Breeds ($$$) ?
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:02:12 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.


>In rec.equestrian, locke@4ccvw54.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke) writes:
>
>    My
>    question is how expensive are these different breeds?  I pick up a copy
>    of Horse Illustrated from time to time as well as check the classified
>    ads to try to get some idea of cost.  It appears that some breeds (for
>    example Paso Finos) are always *really* expensive.
>
>Not only do prices fluctuate, but the price within the breed varies
>wildly.  For an Arab you can expect to pay from $200 to $thousands.
>A few years ago some one on the net offered her Peruvian Pasos free
>to someone who could care for them.  Also note that anything advertised
>in a national magazine will be 10 times the price of a horse of equal
>quality in your local area.
>
>Wendy
********************

Also, if you are not interested in breed shows or breeding, I'd check
breeders. Sometimes they have perfectly lovely horses that aren't exactly
what they want to use right now. They may give you a good price on a
very nice registered animal. For instance, a gelding can't be bred and
if something should happen to prevent his being shown as a top horse
such as perhaps a scar or something a breeder might not be interested in
persuing his future. Although, the amount of training will, of course,
enter into it also.

Keep your eyes open. With the economic situation right now, I would
guess quite a few very nice horses will become available, cheap.

Good luck! ;-)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: mbp Software&Systems GmbH at ESOC, Darmstadt, Germany
Date: Friday, 28 Aug 1992 13:14:49 CET
From: Dr. Lutz Massonne <LMASSONN@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: misc.fitness

To my knowledge, there are three equestrian lists out on LISTSERVs.

The EQUINE-D list on LISTSERV at PCCVM is a digest copy of
rec.equestrian, the EQUINE-L list on the same LISTSERV is a
discussion list of its own.
The list PFERDE on LISTSERV at DLRVM is a German language
equestrian list focussing on German horsey issues.

Subscribe in the usual way, sending a "SUBSCRIBE <list> <your name>"
message to the respective LISTSERV.

(All nodes above are on BITNET/EARN, Internet users should add
a ".BITNET" to the node name)

Regards, Lutz
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jpenovic@wizard.Berkeley.EDU (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: therapy for the impaired
Reply-To: jpenovic@1.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:17:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.011005.14167@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>,
rudy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (avram.r.vener) writes:
> In article <l9aoitINNhtc@aludra.usc.edu> bkowal@aludra.usc.edu (Brian
A. Kowal) writes:
> >Does anyone know of any equestrian camps/programs for either
> >handicaped or emotionally disturbed people.
> >
> >Studies have been done on the benefits of horses on aiding people
> >either with coordination or emotional problems. 
> >
> >If anyone knows of anything like this could you please send
> >information.  I have a little sister who will be graduating with a
> >psychology degree and who knows a lot about horses and who is a
> >fantastic rider.  She would love to be able to combine these two
> >interests.
> >
> >A program anywhere in the world would be fine.
> >
> >Thanks in advance
> >my e-mail is kowal@aludra.usc.edu

Not sure if this is what you mean, but:

  Horses and the Handicapped
  4400 NW 39 Avenue
  Coconut Creek, Florida
  (305) 974-2007


jan
From: judy@valinor.mythical.com (Judy Labovitz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: quarter sheets
Keywords: quarter sheets
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 09:43:57 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: (What? Organized??) - Mythical Computer Systems

mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser) writes:

> Does anyone out there use a Quarter Sheet for winter/cold weather riding?

The CT stable I used to work at did a lot of foxhunting during the winter.
To keep the guys in shape for that, we did a bunch of riding in the winter
(Unionville, PA area).  It depended on the horse whether we used a quarter
sheet or not.  We never used them on the hurses that were just
trace-clipped.  About half the horses that were full-clipped wore them,
whom was decided by the horse's behavior.  Did the cold seem to bother
them, both attitude-wise and actual work-wise (were they stiff from the
cold)?  We had one horse that was full-clipped but would absolutely spaz
if worked in a quarter sheet, so he never wore one and didn't seem to mind
as long as it wasn't cold and windy.  On those windy days, he got extra
turn-out time and no riding.  Another horse was extremely sensitive to the
cold and would always beat the other horses by two weeks to getting
blankets on and being ridden in a quarter.  As soon as he got cold, his
stride would really shorten up; as soon as he walked into the barn from
the field with that stiff gait, we'd look at each other and say "blanket
time."  After he got his blankets to play in and his quarter sheet to work
in, he'd be back to his usual happy self.

> However, I have also noticed how expensive they are to buy, so I was thinking
> sewing one myself, but need a little info.

Never have sewn one myself, but the ones we used were hand-sewn.  The ones
we used were made of wool flannel and came in various sizes, both length
from saddle to tail and from side to side.  We just used rectangular ones
(none of the fancy cut-backs for your legs to touch the sides) and
carefully angle-folded the front corners back for leg contact.  The front
obviously had a very flat seam since it was going to be folded back and
the corner tucked under the saddle.  The "tail end" had some piping on it
just to give it some more strength along with one of those cords to go
under the tail.

> In general, do you find it helps to use a Quarter Sheet?  Do they get too war
> with it?

As I said, it really depends on the horse.  We found that you could tell
from the horse's behavior whether or not he was feeling the cold.  Some
care, some don't, some love them, some hate them.

Judy

        
   Judith A Labovitz               judy@valinor.mythical.com
                                   uunet!valinor!judy
            I bark, therefore I am.    ---- Rene Descarte's dog.
From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Favorite Breed
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:31:11 GMT
	<92240.050340ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET's message of 27 Aug 92 09:03:40 GMT

I, too, am a lover of one of the cold-blood breeds, except that mine
is technically a pony---the Norwegian Fjord.  Here, I get the best of
both worlds---the sensible draft temperament and sturdy physique, plus
the pony friendliness and intelligence, in a package big enough to
carry any rider, yet small enough to mount without a stepladder (13 to
15hh).  Their neat dun coloring, with a full dorsal stripe thru an
otherwise creamy-white mane and tail (not to mention the attention-
getting "punk" roach job on the mane that is breed standard) and
optional zebra stripes on the legs all comes free of charge.  I'm
hooked!  We've got 3 now; I'd probably have more, but that fills my
barn, and my farrier claims that he'll quit if I get any more of
them---their sturdy grey-black hooves make him work hard to trim them.
We trail ride ours, but the breed is very versatile---farming, weight
pulling, carriage driving, dressage, riding for the handicapped,
Combined Training, and reining are only a few of the many things that
Fjords do well.

Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rudy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (avram.r.vener)
Subject: Re: therapy for the impaired
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:10:05 GMT

In article <l9aoitINNhtc@aludra.usc.edu> bkowal@aludra.usc.edu (Brian A. Kowal) writes:
>Does anyone know of any equestrian camps/programs for either
>handicaped or emotionally disturbed people.
>
>Studies have been done on the benefits of horses on aiding people
>either with coordination or emotional problems. 
>
>If anyone knows of anything like this could you please send
>information.  I have a little sister who will be graduating with a
>psychology degree and who knows a lot about horses and who is a
>fantastic rider.  She would love to be able to combine these two
>interests.
>
>A program anywhere in the world would be fine.
>
>Thanks in advance
>my e-mail is kowal@aludra.usc.edu
>
YES!!  There is a program in Monmouth County, New Jersey which is run by the 
Monmouth County Park System.  It is called S.P.U.R. Special People United to
Ride.  They handle all sorts of handicaps at all ages.  I am taking riding
lessons from them now (I have vision and hearing problems which cause 
communications and mobility difficulties).  I learned about SPUR from another 
rec.equestrian subscriber, come to think of it :-)

Anyway, SPUR's address and phone number is:

Monmouth County Park System
Att: Ann Simon, Director S.P.U.R.
805 Newman Springs Road
Lincroft NJ   07738

Phone: 908 842 4000  Extension: 258

--
Rudy Vener    rudy@mtqua.att.com
From: bjones@pbs.org
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: NC Vet School - is it good?
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:40:22 EDT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

Hi all!
I realize that this is a long shot, but I'm going to give it a try anyway...

Is there someone on the net who has had their horse evaluated/treated by
the North Carolina vet school, and who would be willing to share their
experience with me and/or the rest of the group?  

After going extremely well for most of this spring and half the summer,
my horse came up lame with what appears to be the same problem we'd been
battling with most of last year. And while according to all the vets who
have recently looked at him  a long period of stall rest would probably
make him sound again, at this point I really have to decide whether to
continue working around his problems or just retire him and move on to
another horse.  What complicates the issue is the fact, that in spite of
numerous lameness exams, nerve blocks, ultrasound and x-rays nobody seems
to be able to pinpoint the cause or even the area of the leg where the 
problem is located - in other words, the lameness doesn't block out, the
ultrasound and x-rays look ok, and so on...  As the last resort, both,
my vet and my farrier, recommend that I ship him to one of the larger
vet schools for a final evaluation. Unfortunately, they are not in 
agreement on where to go. My vet considers Dr. Moyer at the New Bolton
center in PA the ultimate authority in lameness diagnostics, but my farrier
believes that North Carolina has better (i.e. more state-of-the-art)
equipment and therefore more "tricks in the bag" than New Bolton. I tend
to agree with my farrier and would be willing to send the horse to NC
(unfortunately, trying both places is out of the question unless I win
the Publisher's Clearing Warehouse Sweepstakes soon ;-), but as it turns
out, the recommended clinician, Dr. Malcolm Roberts, will not be available
until October, and I'd just hate to wait yet another month (and it's not 
just a question of money, even though keeping this horse up as a show 
horse is quite costly, I'm simply getting tired of dwelling on this
frustrating problem). 
What I'd like to know about the NC Vet School is mainly whether or not 
they have a good reputation/satisfied customers, and also if they have
other lameness specialists on staff whom other people have used and
would recommend. If someone has had a terrible experience there, I'd
like to know that, too ;-).  
Just out of curiosity, is there a consensus on what are the BEST vet
clinics in the US? I would imagine that Ohio State must be pretty good,
too bad it's so far away from Virginia...

Thanks in advance for any comments...

Beata
and Prosperity
    
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	Beata Jones	bjones@pbs.org
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: pbooth@ps.ucl.ac.uk (Peter Booth)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Putting on weight
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:42:06 GMT
Organization: Photogrammetry and Surveying, UCL

dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay) writes:

>I just recently bought a mare who is 8 years old and is very skinny.  The
>vet said she needs to gain at least 200 lbs!  I was told that she had been
>nursing a foal for about a year before it was weaned last summer and that
>was why she was so thin.  Also, her teeth needed to be floated.  Well,
>I had the vet out to float her teeth and I have been worming her regularly
>but she still hasn't gained any weight.  I keep her in a ~30 acre pasture
>and feed her about 4-5 pounds of 10% sweetfeed a day.  I know this doesn't
>sound like much feed, but my other horses stay -FAT- on only 1-2 pounds of
>feed a day, because they are getting all the grass they can eat. 

 agree, it doesn't sound like all that much for an underweight mare.
Some ideas:
1) Is she fed on her own. i.e. where other horses won't pinch it

2) Is there a salt/mineral lick in the field?

3) Are _all_ of the other horses wormed regularly?

4) Does she have a blanket / New Zealand rug. 

5) Can you feed her twice a day?

6) What did the vet say?

7) If you clean her feed bucket after each feed she'll
   be more likely to finish her feed.

    
I think the most important thing for a hard keeper is _plenty_ of 
excellent quality feed. I wouldn't be over-cautious about increasing
her feed quickly, especially as she isn't shut in. I've found crushed
barley to be especially good for putting on weight but horses need to
get used to it. (Work upto one pound over two weeks).

Good luck,

Peter Booth. 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jpenovic@encore.com (Jan Penovich)
Subject: So. Florida Equine Relief Aid 
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:48:49 GMT

I'm sure there are people out in netland who would like to
help the injured and homeless horses in South Dade Florida.  I
just called the South Dade Animal Relief organization.  They
are handling the horse relief.  Right now they need donations
of money to buy feed, medication, supplies, etc.

They are a federally monitored relief organization.  I asked,
and all money donated is going to relief efforts not
administration.  They are set up taking care of severly
injured horses that are being brought to Tropical Park in
Miami.

If you want to donate, send donations to:

   South Dade Animal Relief
   c/o Barnett Bank
   P.O. Box 026006
   Miami, FL  33102-6006

If you want your money to be used for some specific item (e.g,
medication), write that at the top of your check.  The woman I
spoke with (I explained the net and told her I was posting this 
message) said that all donations are also tax deductible, if
that was any concern.

If you live in this area and want to volunteer, call
  Command Central at Barn E at Tropical
  (305)554-5023
  (305)223-8526

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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: gmk@pegasos.ccsr.uiuc.edu (Gottfried Mayer-Kress)
Subject: Re: Horse GIF image follows (part 1) 
Reply-To: gmk@pegasos.ccsr.uiuc.edu (Gottfried Mayer-Kress)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 20:23:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.175919.6639@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> sbeland@zia.aoc.nrao.edu  
(Stephane Beland) writes:
> Sorry for the previous posting - forgot to uuencode the image!!
> So here it is again split in two.
> Enjoy!
> 
> 
nice picture, where was it taken? tell us more about the horse, 
from the distance it looks like an Arab to me ...
--
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Center for Complex Systems Research, Department of Physics
3025 Beckman Institute, 405 N Mathews, Urbana, Il 61801
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee Raines)
Subject: Re: Why post with outside foreleg?
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:24:26 GMT

In article <5283@sersun1.essex.ac.uk>, cgreen@sersun1.essex.ac.uk (Green ISBD C) writes:
|> From article <180kq9INNjiv@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com>, by regard@sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard):
|> > In article <1992Aug31.212631.28207@u.washington.edu> jespah@milton.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt) writes:
|> > As I've heard it explained, it means you are sitting when the inside hind
|> > leg is under the horse, supporting the horse, which balances the horse 
|> > better on corners.
|> > 
|> > Of course, I've also been told that the Brits post on the other diagonal....
|> > 
|> Oh no we don't!  Admittedly it tends to be taught the other way around,
|> i.e. sit when the outside front leg/shoulder is on the ground/moving
|> back - but that's exactly the same as you do.
|> 
|> I have this feeling (but I can't remember what we did when I was there)
|> that it may be the other way in mainland Europe.  Maybe this is just the
|> classic urban folk/funny foreigners story for horsey people!
|> 
|> Chris Green

Someone I knew who learned to ride in Spain posted on the "wrong" 
diagonal.  She said this was how she was taught.  

Mary Lee Raines
Ravenswood Appaloosas
From: cicarell@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Collen Cicarell)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:45:08 GMT
Subject: Re: Bowed tendon, sniff
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

When I was young, I rode for about 8 years, and showed hunters for about 4
of those years.  The horse that I showed was a 10 year old Thoroughbred, okay 
8 when I started, 12 when I finished, but he had a bowed tendon in his right
front leg.  I rode him 2-3 times per week, and he was a regular lesson horse,
so he had more exercise than that, lots of jumping.  I recently started back
riding at the same stable, 10 years later, and he's still there, and still jump-ing!.  He does have some scarring that looks like he's been through some 
surgery on that leg, and I think I remember hearing that he bowed the tendon
racing, and was taken to the veterinary school near here.  This is just one
example, but he was never lame all the time that I was there, and hasn't been
since I've been back.  I hope everything works out with your mare.
Good Luck,
Colleen
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