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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: "Ski Mountaineering" (?) advice wanted.
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 18:28:59 GMT

In article <26791@castle.ed.ac.uk> W.Warburton@ed.ac.uk writes:
> What I would like to know is how much I need to learn & what equipment
>would be necessary to combine walking & skiing in winter. Essentially
>I am considering climbing Scottish mountains & skiing back down them
>but I do not know how ambitious this is, or how to find out.

You just have to get all your basic mountaineering skills down.
Where you are located, you need a good understanding of the weather.
You need to develop a paranoia about avalanches.  I also suggest
trips to the Alps and Norway.

> Most of the information I have come across seems to refer either to
>winter mountaineering (walk up & down, Crampons, Ice-axe etc. required)
>or X-C skiing (ski along the valleys rather than up & down the hills).

X-C will provide you with most of the basics for travel.
You won't need Randonne gear depending up the terrain you traverse.
If you mean extreme descents, you can't get away from it (the exception).
The gear represents a set of tradeoffs which you would have to replace
with more skill or strength or other pieces of gear.  Your post is too
general to ascertain your objectives.

> Is this because what I am contemplating is very ambitious and only
>undertaken by experienced winter mountaineers or is it just that there
>arn't many people who are inclined to mix climbing up with skiing down?

Don't know your ambitions.  Scottish hills can get pretty desparate.
The number of people who mix the two are small compared to other skiers
or climbers excluded.

> Re. equipment: It seems to me (from the X-C FAQ) that I need Randonee
>		bindings on appropriate skis, probably with skins for
>		climbing. Boots need to be appropriate for walking and
>		for skiing (?) does this mean carrying both? Is it
>		possible to get a boot that will do both jobs well?

The last question is a compromise: neither is optimized for walking
or skiing well.  Good camp skills are also useful (for when you
might get pinned down).  Being close enough to the Alps, I'm a little
surprised you mention Scotland rather than the Alps).

Your skiing skill should be able to encompass any kind of skiing condition
from fine powder to boiler plate to crud at any angle of repose (being
able to rappel it if necessary).

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
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From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Please describe Purgatory
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:57:38 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

> 
> I have friends in Durango, Co. and they are close to Purgatory.  Could
> someone please give me some info about it?
> 
> 1)	Proportion of green, blue, black runs?
> 2)	How big is it (would an advanced intermediate get bored in
> 	a couple of days)?
> 3)	What kind of facilities (eating, lockers, etc.).
> 4)	Ticket Price?
> 5)	Any insider hints?
> 
> -- 
> Dion Hollenbeck       UUCP: {uunet, ucsd, sun}!megatek!hollen
>

Dear Dion, and everyone else who posts these kinds of questions: 

*Please*   *Please*   *Please*   *Please*    Don't post questions like
numbers 1-4!  

Every major resort has an "800" number you can call for this kind of 
information, or you can call the Chamber of Commerce at the area of 
your choice.  Usually, they will send you, free of charge, a packet of 
info with a trail map, resturants, lodging, etc.  And if that doesn't 
satisfy you, the people on the phone can answer just about any question.

Your local travel agent can also get you mounds of information for free.

I hypothesize that most of the "veteran" ski-netters, those who really know, 
just skip these kinds of questions anyway.  Many times I've seen responses 
from people who start out with, "I've been there *once* and..."  Are you 
going to plan your trip based on that?

You'll get much better results by just calling them.

John
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: jcn@rice.edu ()
Subject: the Evaporator boot/glove drying system
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:29:28 GMT

Has anyone used (or bought) one of those Evaporator systems?  It says that 
it will dry out boots and/or gloves overnight by drawing room temperature 
air through the boots/gloves and in the morning they are dry.

I am considering getting the smallest one (dry two pairs of boots or 
gloves) since I get REAL tired of putting on wet gloves in the morning.
My hands sweat so much that even glove liners don't seem to help.


--
*  Jeff Nichols                 |   I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay. * 
*  DoD#0402         AMA#?!@#*%  |   Ride:  GS500E    		   *
*  It's a dog-eat-dog world out there, and I'm wearing milkbone    *
*  underwear--  Norm Peterson					   *
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: gator06@peewee.cs.unlv.edu (James Tilley)
Subject: Re: Any skiing near Las Vegas?
Reply-To: gator06@peewee.cs.unlv.edu (James Tilley)
Organization: UNLV Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 19:17:42 GMT

In article <2940015@hpcndpc.CND.HP.COM>, atkins@hpcndpc.CND.HP.COM (Brian Atkins) writes:
) There used to be a place called Lee's Canyon about an hour North of 
) Las Vegas.
Yep, its still there.  It is about 45 minutes outside Vegas.. I work there,
ski instructing. :-)
) Brianhead, UT (near Cedar City if I remember correctly) is about 4 hrs, 
) and often has very good conditions.  This is the closest place for "real"
) skiing (Lee's Canyon is very small, 1 or 2 lifts and some ropes if I 
) remember correctly).
Yeah, Le Canyon is still small, but there is no more rope tow (you musta been
there a while ago) and they now have three (yes, count em) three chairlifts.  
If you feel so inclined, you can also do some pretty decent hiking and skiing 
around the area as well.  In the spring, you can climb Mt Charleston (12,000+)
and ski that; it is supposed to be VERY good skiing.  There is also another
peak there you can climb called Griffith peak (10-11,000) and has one helluva
good decent (did it on teles last year).  Also, this past ski season, in the 
month of March in particular, we got over 100 inches of snow!!!  (Of course, I
broke my leg in the end of february and didn't get to ski for another 9 weeks).
BrianHead is about 3hrs to the north of Vegas, and there is also a place called
Elk Medows which, IMHO, is MUCH better than Brian Head, and only about 45
minutes further up the road (I-15).
) Another options (though I wouldn't consider it much of one) is the Big Bear 
) area above LA.  It's about 3/4 hours, maybe faster if there is back way
) from the North or east.  It's usually got nasty conditions and large
) crowds.
Yeah, I would stay away from the BB, Mt. High area.  I would also suggest Mammoth
Mtn.  Although it gets crowded on the weekends, it is still an excelent area. I
would have to say that it is probably one of the best areas I've skied at, and it
is roughly 4-5 hours from Vegas.
) Brian Atkins
) 
) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
) Brian Atkins		atkins@hpcndpc.cnd.hp.com		(303) 229-2114
) Hewlett-Packard (MS102)	3404 E. Harmony Road, Ft. Collins, CO	80525-9599


James Tilley
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: wilcock@bigbos.enet.dec.com (John Wilcock)
Subject: Re: Where to go in France...
Reply-To: wilcock@bigbos.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Evry, France.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 08:18:03 GMT


david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:
>.... 24th October, les 2 Alpes.  First day of winter skiing in France.
>
>It's been a cold autumn and there's tonnes of unskied powder, by the
>25th it'll be spoilt.
>

Is this just a prediction, or has the resort announced that it will 
be opening? 

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From: atm@bass.bu.edu (Atul Mistry)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Best spots to ski in Northeast??
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:10:30 GMT
Reply-To: atm@bass.bu.edu (Atul Mistry)
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Distribution: rec
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Oct9.131018.8886@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>In article <JIM.92Oct8101142@scf16.scf.loral.com> jim@scf16.scf.loral.com (Jim Livesey) writes:
>>
>>  I'm heading to the Northeast this Christmas and was wondering
>>  where the good spot(s) to ski would be.  I'm a beginner to
>>  moderate skier and my girlfriend has never skied before.
>
>Ski Killington!
>(This is what we eastcoasters are supposed to say right?)
>
 No!! Ski Sunday River! It has a great learn to ski program for people who have
never skied. Beside the Big K, gets to crowded. The River is out of the way 
enough that not that many people go there, and big enough to handle the ones
that do.

atm


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: ptc8827@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: vacation
Reply-To: ptc8827@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:51:01 GMT



	Hello all.  My family and I will be going on vacation to a resort 
  someplace in New England this year.  My parents don't ski, so if any
  of you know of a resort that has great skiing and a nice atmosphere for
  people over 50, can you suggest anything?  I was thinking about Sunday Ri
  River, ME, if you can offer anything else please E-mail me.

		Thanks in advance,
			Paul
From: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Best spots to ski in Northeast??
Reply-To: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Distribution: rec
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:13:06 GMT

In article <98116@bu.edu>, atm@bass.bu.edu (Atul Mistry) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.131018.8886@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>>In article <JIM.92Oct8101142@scf16.scf.loral.com> jim@scf16.scf.loral.com (Jim Livesey) writes:
>>>
>>>  I'm heading to the Northeast this Christmas and was wondering
>>>  where the good spot(s) to ski would be.  I'm a beginner to
>>>  moderate skier and my girlfriend has never skied before.
>>
>>Ski Killington!
>>(This is what we eastcoasters are supposed to say right?)
>>
> No!! Ski Sunday River! It has a great learn to ski program for people who have
>never skied. Beside the Big K, gets to crowded. The River is out of the way 
>enough that not that many people go there, and big enough to handle the ones
>that do.
>
>atm
>
>
I'M NOT SAYING THAT CROWDS ARE GOOD, BUT DID YOU EVER STOP AND THINK THAT MAYBE
THE REASON SUNDAY RIVER ATTRACTS LESS PEOPLE IS THAT LESS PEOPLE FIND IT TO BE
ATTRACTIVE? WHY WOULD SOO MANY PEOPLE GO TO SOMEWHERE (KILLINGTON) IF IT WASN'T
ANY GOOD?

							MAKES SENSE TO ME...
							Todd S.
 
From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:28:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Man made snow (SUCKS)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> > 
> > MORE WATER PER UNIT VOLUME???  SINCE SNOW IS FROZEN WATER I'D GUESS THAT YOU
> > ARE TRYING TO SAY THAT IT PACKS DOWN EASIER.... YUP! Frozen water is frozen
> > water and it may be different on the ground, but that is what snow is made
> > of. 
>

Careful here, your ignorance is showing...

> Due to the fact that snow falls as a 3 dimensional crystal, the density
> of the snow can be calculated by measuring the volume of the snow, then
> melting it and measuring the volume of the water (or simply weighing it
> and calculating the vol/vol density).  Heavy snow is around 10-15% water
> by volume, while very light powder is around 5%. As snow sits on the ground,
> the crystals change, and so does the character of the snow.
> 
> --
> Dave Harsant,
> 

Dave's right.  In fact at several areas (Steamboat for example) they'll give
the new snowfall amount and a "moisture content", so you'll know whether to 
bring your snorkel :-)

John

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: danube@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Dan Koller*)
Subject: Re: My first experience with a Texas Skiier!!
Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:03:41 GMT

    What's all this with Texas Skiers?  They aren't that bad.  There were
some very nice girls from Texas working in Alta Peruvian Lodge in  Utah
last year and I didn't find them at all obnoxious.  Were they "skiers from
Texas" as opposed to "Texas Skiers"?
    If you want really obnoxious skiers, wait till you run into a full
fledged Longislander on the slopes (or rather, they run into you).  One
such New Yawkah at the top of Snowbird last year screamed his lungs out
and threatened to sue the poor lift attendant for not stopping the chair
one microsecond sooner.  Seems the longislander's safety bar got stuck 
and he was too panicked to figure out how to get it open.
    So maybe Texans are bad because you have a lot of them out west, but
hey, there's worse.
							Danube
From: johnc@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: What, Raichele SWEDISH? (Re: Boots recommendations wanted)
Summary: Switzerland <--> Sweden??
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:21:36 GMT
            <BvpEIH.6uB@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <BvpEIH.6uB@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> 
           mkoechli@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Marco Koechli) writes:

> (many people confuse Switzerland with
>Sweden) 

I hate it when that happens.  These Americans have such a poor grasp of
geography!  But if you keep all your skiing funds in one of those numbered
Swedish bank accounts, you'd better know where you're going when you buy 
that airline ticket to the Swedish alps for your ski vacation.  And be sure
to take your precision Swedish watch so that you'll get to the slopes on
time.  Don't load up too much on those rich Swedish cheeses and chocolates,
either.  We hope you enjoy your stay in Stockholm, Switzerland, or Geneva,
Sweden, or wherever you are, or think you are.

      John Cooley
      Ski Carolina, or Colorado, or something.  I always get those mixed up.
                                    :-)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Subject: Re: Nordica Boots (F8)
Keywords: recommendations
Reply-To: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 12:52:05 GMT

My girlfriend bought a pair of the Ladies models last year,
and they had a problem with leakage through the toes.  Nordica
fixed them by replacing the rubber stopper(it took 3 weeks!).
As soon as she got them back she took them back to where she
bought them and got a pair of Flexon Comps.

Just my two cents worth.....Stuart
From: klaus@ced.utah.edu (Klaus Biggers,MEB 3140b,581-6499)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: My first experience with a Texas Skiie
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:14:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: fcom.1992Oct8.191418.685
Reply-To: klaus@ced.utah.edu
Organization: Center for Engineering Design

In article 18631@nas.nasa.gov, eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>Turn on the LDS.  Or refer them to Park City.

hiiissssssssssss!!!!!

Remember.. park city gets the least snow, has lousy runs, costs the most,
is the most crowded, has lousy service, and has the geratest of dork
factor. Ski one of those quality resorts in CA, or CO.


-klaus                                              klaus@ced.utah.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: davin@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Veale)
Subject: Re: Telemark skis
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:58:19 GMT

trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:


>Now if you guys just buy some sort of nuevo-telemark gadget to lock
>your heals down, you might even be able to keep up with good skiers
>on down-hill gear.  :-)


>-- 

>-Wayne Trzyna
> trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU

There's really no need; we generally have more fun than any lift-slave can
possibly comprehend.  And for you hardy (read close minded & ignorant)
downhillers who carry your skis into the backcountry, just try it for a
few miles in nice deep, untracked powder.  Or then again, you could go out
and buy some *real* ski gear.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mwallace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Wallace)
Subject: >SNOWBOARD: HELP ME PICK ONE
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 19:59:29 GMT

>As for boards, I have been looking at Sims, Burton, Joyride, Nitro
>and Mistral.  Any opinions on any of these would be welcome.  I am
>tending to lean toward the Joyride or the Sims boards.  I would say
>Burton but their new binding hole pattern both scares me and pisses
>me off.  As for bindings, what are some good ones?  
>
>Thanx,
>Sascha Linn :-)
>sal@iti.org

It sounds like you've already done some research.  The Oct Transworld
Snowboarding mag has a '93 buyers guide in it if you haven't already
seen it.  According to the mag your choices are Joyride EF 163 and 
Sims ATV, Shaun Palmer 160.5, Fakie 158, and T65 Ace.  The Burtons
may be the best in terms of reputation, I've owned 2 and ridden
several others with no problems, they are probably the most
durable boards I've owned.  I'd trust their new hole pattern
just based on reputation, it also sounds like the most variable 
stance set up available.  I think the saying: Lead, Follow or Get 
Out of the Way applies here.  Burton Has always led, probably because
they have the bucks.  As for mounting plates (as opposed to 
inserts) if a binding is mounted properly there should be no 
problems also the board can be remounted several times with no 
lose in integrity, if you can't do this yourself though it will
cost for the shop work.

For the purposes you're looking for I ride a Morrow Multipro 6 but
in doesn't have inserts. I also ride a Burton M6, Rossi Alpine 173
and Sims 1/2 pipe as a rock board.  For an all around board I like
a light, quick turning stick because I love the bumps.  I really
liked a Nitro I rode a couple years ago, light and quick, I think
with a wood core, which I believe is a plus for durabilities sake.
You are so tall I would generally recommend a length above 165,
but keep in mind the more important attribute is effective edge
length.

I use the Burton Air bindings on 2 of my boards because they are light,
very durable, and offer lots of mobility.  You may be restricted to
a specific brand of binding when you buy the board (hole pattern, 
company or shop policy...).  Most highback binding designs seem to have 
converged on the Burton Air design, I think the main thing here
is weight, durability and parts availability.

For freeriding boots I use a Kemper because it offers good ankle support,
again these are for support in the bumps, it has a dual lace set 
up as most boots do. I'd suggest a boot with more ankle 
support than a freestyle boot.  I'm looking at trying the 
Koflach Superpipe, Jacks Original, and Sorel Pro Lok.

I use a local (Denver) store called Colorado Snowboards (also known
as Colo Ski and Golf) which I prefer over several others, they do 
mail order too and advertise in the mags. 18002889730 
(for orders), 13033371734 (for info) they guarantee lowest 
prices.  As usual you can save big if you buy last years stuff.

Enjoy...
Mark Wallace, Castle Rock, CO
Just a week or 2 left, Open Open Open...

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mkoechli@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Marco Koechli)
Subject: Re: What, Raichele SWEDISH? (Re: Boots recommendations wanted)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:50:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.212010.17555@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>In article <BvpEIH.6uB@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> mkoechli@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Marco Koechli) writes:
>>
>>  Raichele is a SWISS brand of ski boat.
>                                ^^^^^^^^^---Is this the latest thing now??
>Damn!, and here I thought I was keeping up with things and being sufficiently
>trendy by having a ski board.... :) :)
>
>----Steve
>-- 

  Okay Steve, you caught me, when I read my posting, I was just waiting for the
correction note. I also subscribe to rec.boat, and, well, I guess my fingers
just got a little carried away! :) ;) ,) 

  Being a Canadian, it's interesting to read all the Texan bashing, I'm   
surprised Texas doesn't want to spilt the states and become its own 
sovereign state! ;) Perhaps they can  start something with Quebec, and name
it  Quexas, or Texabec. Who knows what the language will be. ;)

  (note: if any Quebecers are reading please note I'll only jealous that
Ontario has no real skiing to offer)



Marco Koechli
From: haskins@mipps.myapc.com (Robert D. Haskins)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Sugarloaf, Maine
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:34:07 GMT
Organization: Maine Yankee, Wiscasset, Maine  USA

danube@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Dan Koller*) writes:

>     I've been thinking about skiing at Sugarloaf, Maine this year but
>I don't know much about it.  Can someone fill me in on details?  Is it
>really possible to see the Atlantic Ocean from the top?  Is it really
>as cold as someone else told me?
>    I'm especially interested in cheap lodging, preferably a private
>house on the slopes, or a Condo that can hold up to 10 people.  Private
>(i.e. non ski area associated) realtors are prefered since we'd like 
>to keep the cost down.  This would be a weekend or extended weekend
>trip.  Any and all such information would be appreciated.
>    Thanks.
>						Danube

Living in Maine and skiing at Sugarloaf, I think I can fill you in on details!
IMHO, Sugarloaf has the *best* skiing in Maine.  It can get crowded with the
Mass. crowd on weekends, but weekdays are pure pleasure.  There are a wide
variety of trails available, with plenty for the advanced skiier (especially
if they open up the Snowfields & the gondola again this year!).  Terrain
is all downhill (not up and down like Sunday River) with 2637 feet of
vertical drop (the most in Maine).  Sugarloaf peak is 4237 feet, second only
to Baxter peak in Baxter State park (no skiing...unless you have friends).
I know this must sound like a commercial for Sugarloaf, but there really is
no comparison in Maine IMHO.

I have never seen the Atlantic from the top of Sugarloaf - its about 75 miles 
as the crow files.  Though it may be possible, I have never heard of it.  As 
far as coldness goes, it does get cold -- but they shut the top of the mountain
down if it gets too cold & windy.  If you want cold, try Saddleback in Rangely 
(just 45 minutes away) for REAL cold, but some awesome skiing--without weekend 
crowds!

As far as lodging goes, I think your only option is going to be 800-
the loaf.  I have not seen any individuals renting condos.  All of the people
that I know who own condos up there go through the service.  Their weekend
rates are high, but their weekday rates are good.  They usually have a 
special during January (White white world week) so check that out if you  
can.

Hope this helps! 

Bob Haskins
Systems Analyst
haskins@mipps.myapc.com
...!uunet!mipps!haskins