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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:30:38 BST
From:         Mike Ellwood <MWE@IBM-B.RUTHERFORD.AC.UK>
Subject:      advice on 3.1.5 restore from image backup
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Scenario: 3.1.5 on 550H

When restoring the system disk from an image backup, what exactly is the
difference between selecting option 1 Install AIX    ...-------
                                    2 Re-install AIX ...
The help info says that with 1, ALL directories are erased
WIth 2, /,/usr, /tmp and dump minidisks are erased.
2 seems like a safer option, but is 1 actually dangerous, assuming the
backup is good?

I assume that by 1, it means the knowledge of your other logical volumes
and filesystems is destroyed. However, the restore should put all that
back shouldn't it? (/etc/filesystems plus whatever).

Any help/advice gratefully received.

(mwe@ib.rl.ac.uk)
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From: james@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (James Alfred Monschke)
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Subject: AIX books
Date: 3 Sep 1992 14:38:10 -0500
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Summary: know of any?
Keywords: books, AIX, help

A while back I read about books for AIX.  Could anybody mail or re-post
the titles, authors, and publishers, of any good unix books specific to
AIX? 

Thanks,
-- 
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  James Monschke                               *     Jerry Falwell is the
  james@matt.ksu.ksu.edu                       *       Anti-Christ!!!!
    "A dirty old man in a young man's body."   *
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  James Monschke                               *     Jerry Falwell is the
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:11:03 NFT
From:         Thomas Greve <greve@RS1.THCH.UNI-BONN.DE>
Subject:      serial terminal

Hello,

we have two serial terminals attached to our RS6K/AIX 3.1.5 and they
really work fine: 19.2, 7e1, xon/xoff.

But there is a major drawback: emacs does not support xon/xoff. It
often askes `I-search: ^Q' and trashes the screen. All other software
works (more or less...).

So we tried hardware handshake, but our terminals (Ampex 210 :-( just
have DTR (CTS always seems to be hi). DTR is ignored by our RS6K, but
this may be due to wrong setup. (SMIT happens ;-) Someone a clue?

				- Thomas

   greve@rs1.thch.uni-bonn.de
   unt145@dbnrhrz1
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:22:00 PDT
From:         Ed Sakabu <CSMSETS@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: advice on 3.1.5 restore from image backup

> Scenario: 3.1.5 on 550H
>
> When restoring the system disk from an image backup, what exactly is the
> difference between selecting option 1 Install AIX    ...-------
>                                     2 Re-install AIX ...
> The help info says that with 1, ALL directories are erased
> WIth 2, /,/usr, /tmp and dump minidisks are erased.
> 2 seems like a safer option, but is 1 actually dangerous, assuming the
> backup is good?
>
> I assume that by 1, it means the knowledge of your other logical volumes
> and filesystems is destroyed. However, the restore should put all that
> back shouldn't it? (/etc/filesystems plus whatever).
>
> Any help/advice gratefully received.
>
> (mwe@ib.rl.ac.uk)

I think 1 (install AIX) will also destroy user filesystems in addition
to system used filesystems (I think this is what it does on AIX/370)
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:39:00 PDT
From:         "Virginia Hetrick, in sunny Calif" <IARGRAF@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject: 3.2 install - did you find missing docs and s/w?

If you've installed AIX 3.2 on your RS/6000(s) and found either:

a.  Missing LPPs on your upgrade tape
b.  Missing documentation in the upgrade package
c.  Missing PTFs on your service tape

could you please send a note to me as IARGRAF@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU?

Thanks.

virginia
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:50:25 CDT
From:         Landy Manderson <USTS034@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Xstation problems

We have tried to ask IBM about this problem, and gotten absolutely nowhere,
so I thought I'd give the list a try.

We are running an RS/6000, model 950 I think, with two ethernet interfaces.
Interface en0 is connected to a 10baseT hub, along with all of the Xstations
and PC's in the department.  Interface en1 is connected via transceiver cable
to a thick-net which is bridged to our campus backbone.  The campus backbone
has a Proteon router which connects us to SURAnet, our regional Internet
provider.

ifconfig en0 yields:
inet 138.26.44.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 138.26.44.255

ifconfig en1 yields:
inet 138.26.63.253 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 138.26.63.255

We have defined a default route in the system of 138.26.63.254.  This is a
Wellfleet router which serves as our "inverted backbone".  The Proteon SURAnet
router, address 138.26.1.1, is connected to a another port on the Wellfleet.

Okay, that's the background, here's the problem.  Over the last few weeks, we
have had three different network incidents which served to isolate the RS/6000
from the Proteon router.  One was the RS/6000's transceiver cable to the
thick-net was unplugged.  One was the bridge connection to the backbone being
knocked loose.  And yesterday, someone accidently unplugged the Wellfleet from
the DELNI where the Proteon is connected.

In all three cases, the network failure caused the Xstations to stop working
properly.  They would not boot at all.  However, once the default route was
flushed (using route -f), everything worked again (well, except for external
communication).  We could alternatively add and flush the default route and
reproduce the Xstations' symptoms exactly.  Once the Proteon was "visible"
again, adding and flushing had no effect on the Xstations working properly.

Has anyone seen this behavior before?  Does anyone have a clue as to its
causes?  We have to run a net trace at some point to see if the RS/6000 is
talking to places that it shouldn't, but I was hoping someone on the list
might have some answers.  IBM surely doesn't ...
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:21:13 BST
From:         Mike Ellwood <MWE@IBM-B.RUTHERFORD.AC.UK>
Subject:      tape blocksizes (8mm - Exabyte)
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Scenario: 3.1.5 on 550H

I'm confused about blocksizes when writing to 8mm (Exabyte) tape
drives.

I'd understood that the device always writes a fixed blocksize of 1024 bytes.
You can change the number of bytes written in one I/O operation, but
what goes out on the tape is still 1Kb blocks.
Now I'm not so sure.

I've found that (when using backup), a combination of slightly
larger -b value, plus changing the "tape blocksize" from the default of
                                 - (chdev -l rmt0 -a block_size=0) -
512 to 0, reduces both the time it takes, and the amount of tape it uses,
which would indicate to me that larger physical blocks are going out to
the tape, so the effect of inter-block-gaps is reduced.

Another confusing "discovery" was when restoring from a backup (mksysb)
tape made using a tape-drive blocksize of 512, the messages from the
restore program talked about a cluster size of "262144 bytes (512 byte blocks)"
So did that mean that setting the tape to "512" does not mean a resulting
tape blocksize of 512 BYTES , but of 512 X (512 byte BLOCKS) = 262144 bytes??

mwe@ib.rl.ac.uk
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:36:00 CST
From:         U312011@TWNCU865.BITNET
Subject:      Help for installation of pbmplus !

Dear Experts :

      I had got a pbmplus10dec91.tar for RS6k, but I can't make it well.
  Who could give me a hand to install it ? My question is how could I do in
  the beginning ? Any experts could teach me ?

   Thanks in advance !


  Albert Tseng
  Dpt. of Chemical Eng., NCU, Taiwan.
  u312011@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw
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Subject: Re: WAIS for RS/6000
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:39:44 GMT
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	Did you try just getting the normal source and compiling it?
	I believe I did this a while ago w/o any major problems.
	The may have even been a config for the RS6000.
	I'm not totally sure, because I was building and playing
	with WAIS, WWW and gopher all at the same time.
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:40:45 DFT
From:         Guenter Mueller <gmueller@IBM4.RUF.UNI-FREIBURG.DE>
Subject:      ksh alias handling in 3.2
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              Auslander" at Sep 1, 92 6:12 pm

Hello experts,
when we changed from 3.1.5 to 3.2 my profile for kshell doesn't work anymore.
I want to use set -o emacs and to substitute the cursor keys by sequences
for line editing in emacs mode. This profile workes well for 3.1.5 and on
other kshells like sun os or solaris so I think there is a bug!?

I have substituted the following:

alias __A='^P'
alias __B='^N'
alias __C='^F'
alias __D='^B'
alias __H='^A'
set -o ignoreeof
alias __P='^D'

In any case I use a cursor key the substitution gives in the commandline:

^@

which is one single character I can delete with the backspace key.
Any help is wellcome.

Kind Regards
     Guenter
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:34:18 EDT
From:         Valdis Kletnieks <VALDIS@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ksh alias handling in 3.2
X-To:         Guenter Mueller <gmueller@IBM4.RUF.UNI-FREIBURG.DE>,
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              2 Sep 1992 12:40:45 DFT from <gmueller@IBM4.RUF.UNI-FREIBURG.DE>

On Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:40:45 DFT you said:
>when we changed from 3.1.5 to 3.2 my profile for kshell doesn't work anymore.
>I want to use set -o emacs and to substitute the cursor keys by sequences
>for line editing in emacs mode. This profile workes well for 3.1.5 and on
>other kshells like sun os or solaris so I think there is a bug!?

>In any case I use a cursor key the substitution gives in the commandline:
>
>^@

This is a bug.  You want to get ptf U402759 and install it.


                                  Valdis Kletnieks
                                  Computer Systems Engineer
                                  Virginia Polytechnic Institute
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:16:19 -0500
From:         John Osudar {708 252-7505} <OSUDAR@CMT.ANL.GOV>
Subject:      restrictions on exporting file systems?

Are there restrictions on exporting local file systems?  I want to cross mount
file systems on two RS/6000's (e.g. /u1 which is local on node1 and /u2 which
is local on node2).  Attempts to mount either file system on the remote node
produce the messages:

mount: 1831-011 access denied for node2:/u2
mount: 1831-008 giving up on:
node2:/u2
The file access permissions do not allow the specified action.

The whole thing was set up through SMIT, and the mount points were created with
an ordinary mkdir.  I'm able to mount other remote file systems, but none of
those are mount points for local file systems, while /u1 and /u2 *are* mount
points for local file systems.  The documentation only mentions that you cannot
export the parent directory or a subdirectory of an *exported* directory within
the same file system; I can't find any mention of other restrictions.

Any ideas what's happening here?  (b.t.w. one of these systems is running AIX
3.1.5, the other is running AIX 3.2)

					John
					osudar@cmt.anl.gov
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:51:00 EDT
From:         "Peter C. Vernam" <pcv1584@MVS.DRAPER.COM>
Subject:      Re: Error message at installing ImageMagick 2.0 on AIX.

>Dear Experts :
>
>      When I install ImageMagick 2.0 on RS6k-540, I get the error message
> like this :
>      ( after the line : cc -O -I /usr/include/X11 -o display display.o ... )
> 0706-317 ERROR: Unresolved or undefined symbols detected:
>                 Symbols in error (followed by references) are
>                 dumped to the load map.
> .XWithdrawWindow
> .XReconfigureWMWindow
> .XAllocStandardColormap
> .XAllocClassHint
> .XAllocWMHints
> .XAllocSizeHints
> .XWMGeometry
> .XAllocIconSize
> .XGetRGBColormaps
> .XSetWMProperties
> .XSetWMProtocols
> make: 1254-004 The error code from the last command is 8.
>
> Make Quitting.
>
>      Where do I fix something ?
>
>   Thanks in advance !!
>
>
>   Albert Tseng
>   Dpt. of Chemical Eng., NCU, Taiwan.
>   u312011@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw            IBM RISC6000-540 with AIX 3.1
>   -----------------------------------

Those are all Xlib routines that were added in X11R4.  AIX 3.1 has only
X11R3, so you have two options:

1) Upgrade to AIX 3.2, which has X11R4.

2) Fetch the X11R5 sources (you could fetch the R4 sources, but R5 is
   much better and fully upward compatible) from an Internet site and
   build it under AIX 3.1.  I have done this on an RS/6000-320 and it
   works fine.

In anticipation of your next question (Where can I get X11R5?), here's
where you can get via anonymous ftp it in your neighborhood (extracted
from the X FAQ on comp.windows.x):

Australia       munnari.oz.au                   X.V11/R5
                128.250.1.21
Kanagawa        sh.wide.ad.jp                   X11R5
                133.4.11.11
Kwansai         ftp.ics.osaka-u.ac.jp           X11R5
                133.1.12.30
Kyushu          wnoc-fuk.wide.ad.jp             X11R5
                133.4.14.3
TISN            utsun.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp           X11R5
                133.11.11.11
Tokyo           kerr.iwanami.co.jp              X11R5
                133.235.128.1
Tokyo           scslwide.sony.co.jp             pub/X11R5
                133.138.199.1

You will need about 100Mb of disk space to hold all of the sources.  PLEASE use
a site that is close to you in the network.


Peter Vernam                              Email: vernam@draper.com
Draper Laboratory, Inc.                   Voice: 617-258-2735
555 Technology Square                     Fax:   617-258-2705
Cambridge, MA 02139
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From:         RICHARD BROOKS <ISRIB@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      SUBSCRIBE ME
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SUBSCRIBE RICHARD BROOKS
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:31:45 CDT
From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Amazon Colors
Comments: To: WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu

>In honor of the forthcoming Desert Storm II the T-shirts
>could be sand colored.

Howzabout OD with Sand ink?

>(What is the color of an electron?)

Purple.

-abh
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:50:42 CDT
From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Greedy List Friends
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> abh, quit being a spoilsport and go get your own blizzard.  You
>m u s t n ' t  t r y  t o  s p o i l  m y  a p p e t i t e.  I ' m  t o o
>q u i c k   f o r  y o u .
>d
> o
>  r
>   i
>    s

Cool, doris! Like a Blizzard. BTW, you think I'm not speaking from
<experience>?

Good night, all.
-abh
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:14:12 CDT
From:         Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: English Aspiration

Natalie says, on the topic of aspiration:

>If none of this makes sense, it's because I'm thinking more about the
>pouring rain than about aspiration.

And later:

>                                           ...  I'm not sure whether to
>interpret the yankee "you" as "y'all" or "you."  If I interpret it as
>"y'all," I'll ignore the question.

Sigh. I guess nobody is interested. I'll stick to taking a survey in the
department.


:-)
tushar
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:21:33 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: English Aspiration
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> About consonant clusters:
>
> >             (because s is the only consonant that can cluster w/ ptk),
>                        ~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~ ~~~
> I suppose /l/ and /r/ are not to be considered consonants, just like /m/
> and /n/. Still, what about words like aptly, active, etc? I'd say /pt/ is
> a consonant cluster. Or the word "octonion", for instance, which even has
> a consonant cluster before an Accented vowel.

I think Karen was talking about consonant clusters in initial position.
/s/ is the only consonant that precedes /p/, /t/, or /k/ in initial
position.  Obviously it's not the only one in other positions.

But I'm still with Tushar and Tony in not being aware of phonemic
aspiration in English.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sun, 23 Aug 1992 10:41:19 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Tushar Was Online!
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Looky what I just saw:

:-) finger tushar@zaphod.uchicago.edu
[zaphod.uchicago.edu]
Login name: tushar                      In real life: Tushar Samant
Directory: /db/tushar                   Shell: /dev/null
Never logged in.
New mail received Sun Aug 23 10:16:30 1992;
  unread since Sun Aug 23 02:49:13 1992
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No Plan.
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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
Subject: Re: Andrew's gone, Miami had him
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 18:52:10 GMT
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ST401601@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Bill Merrill) writes:
> So tell us, Bayla, is Florida circumcised, or no? Bill

No.  Haven't you ever noticed the Keys?

--karsten

(I refuse to speculate on Cuba's role in all of this)
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:52:24 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: subscription
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              1 Sep 1992 12:30:19 SAT from
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On Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:30:19 SAT seer said:
>i would like to subscribe to this list
>
>
>                                      seer

ok....go stand in that line over there....

within a few hours the esteemed beagle-mutt will add you to membership...

don't like dogs?   oh, well.....go stand in that line over there....
the one that says "Hell, this way>>>>"

dan in potatoland
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Date:         Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:59:15 EDT
From:         jcs <GE777009@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject: Re: Old machines
Comments: To: words-l@uga.cc.uga.edu

>
>Hey Giggles,
>This is frighteningly close to parallel life time--my '79
>Fleetwood was stolen in Providence last summer.  (The real loss

Wow, this is just too close to real life. I often wondered who's car
that was that Tim Johnson and I stole one night when coming
back from the library....

We had only meant to borrow it for a few hours, but we had so much
fun with all those magazines and stuff we found under the
driver's seat.

jcs
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:55:10 -0500
From:         Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik <amadeus@CCWF.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Who's A Girl Scout? (was Re: Note to Bernard)
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I am.  Or was, to be more accurate.  Ten years, from second grade to
twelfth.

I can't remember how much cookies sold for when I was a Scout, but I do
remember Brownies, who are now called Brownie Girl Scouts and who don't
have the little orange Brownie on their beanies because the mischievous
little sprite was considered Satanic.

Oy.

--Susan
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Baby D?
Date: 4 Sep 1992 03:57:01 GMT
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In a previous article, dorisann@TENET.EDU (Doris Smith) says:

>Has anyone heard from Anne D? How are things?

Probably just <ducky>....

Ruth
getting it in ahead of Giggles

>
-- 
It's Ruth the NetHead, back from the [virtual] dead
	- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
fighting for truth, justice and static-free lines
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 18:58:40 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Entropy Worrier (was Re: Gleanings (56
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              27 Aug 1992 07:32:42 PDT from
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On Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:32:42 PDT Elwood P. Dowd said:
>On Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:19:23 EDT Bill Merrill said:
>>Yes, but that boy's going to make a fine lawyer.
>>Bill                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^  *OXYMORON ALERT*!!!!

Wrong.....it is a specialty in law....those who come to keep their
clients from having excessive library fines....since the appeals in
our library come to me, Im familiar with these assholes.

dan
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:23:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bumper Stickers
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> BTW--I didn't mean to suggest that *you* are a new-age sensitive
> guy, Giggles.  Have to get me a narrower brush.
>
> -Mka

Well, thank you, -Mka....  I feel much better now.  I mean, I *know*
I am not <new-age>, I *suspect* I am not sensitive, and I am *certain*
I am not any kind of <guy>.....   But I *do* know when someone is
<flirting> with me.
--ggs (wondering what a narrower brush feels like.....)
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: QOTD
Comments: To: English Language Discussion Group <WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu>

Rita, you forgot the brackets round <massive inheritance>...
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