From: naftaly@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer)
Subject: Re: Israeli soldiers kill Palestinian boy
Reply-To: naftaly@dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Electronics
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:53:21 GMT


In article <1992Dec10.130011.25255@bernina.ethz.ch>, kessi@laplace.math.ethz.ch (Alain Kessi) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec9.190129.2357@cs.brown.edu>, hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes:

>|> Israel does not rule with a iron fist. Israel is not in the business
>|> of terrotirial conflict. I fail to see what tyranny you are referring
>
>If Israel is not in the business of territorial conflict, then why doesn't it
>just, like they were told by some UN resolution (was it 242, or is that another
>one), get their armed forces out of the territories they occupied in 1967. 

Because the UN resolutions (242 and 338) also call the Arab states in the area to
sign peace agreement with Israel. 


>
>|> to. Israel's aggression in the territories consists of protecting its
>|> soldiers and citizens. Israel does not attack innocent Arab children
>|> in their schools while they study math. Israel only defends itslef
>
>Do they not? Well, the case you mention may be too specific to find an instance
>of. They do prevent school kids from going to school once in a while, though.

No one will prevent school kids from going to school as lonk as they are doing
so. The problem is that those kids end up on the streets throwing rocks at
Israelis.


>They also put a siege on Al Najah University (was a year back, I think) in order
>to inforce the Military Order that was supposed to end the independance of the
>Palestinian universities by giving the military commander the right to prevent
>a professor or other staff member from working there. 

The Palestinian can keep the academic freedom of their universities if the Palestinian
universities will deal only with academic problems. But they converted the universities
to be bases for terrorists acts against Israel.

>They also prevent people
>from getting a telephone (a friend's family in Al Khalil (Hebron) is still waiting
>for one since 1976). 

Just open the area phonebook and you will see how many people do have phones
there.

>
>|> when these children start throwing stones at Israelis.
>|> 
>
>Try for one minute to imagine a kid who does not have the chance to live in
>his own country, because some foreign military force is occupying it. 

From 1948 to 1967 the Palestinians were living under Jordanian rule. I don't
remember any Intefada in these time. If they only started something like that
under the Jordanians the results would have be the same as "black September" in 
Jordan in 1970.


>I do not believe that they hate Jews because they are Jews. There are some
>Palestinians who do have revisionist views of WWII history, but I believe
>that this is a (very unfortunate) side effect of their frustration with the
>present situation. The reason they do hate Israel though is because that
>country is occupying there land and preventing them from developing their
>own strategy, be it politically or economically. That does not mean that
>they hate all Israelis. They do have a problem with most of them because
>they have been in the military, possibly even in the occupied territories.
>Isn't that, in a way, understandable.


Did Israel prevent them from from developing their own strategy, be it politically 
or economically, before 1967? The answer is no. But if you remember the PLO was 
established in 1964 with it's main goal to eliminate the state of Israel.


>|> Anisa, Israel does not have these dark secret of which you speak.
>|> Israel is a small country which is trying to insure its survival in a
>
>I agree with you about the difficult situation of Israel. I do think, though,
>that since 1967 Israel has had some cards they could have played in negotiations
>with Arab nations. Even though most of the time the Arab countries don't give
>a shit about the Palestinians, exchanging the territories for peace or some
>similar deal might have worked. It was worth a try, anyway.

I agree with you 100% on this point. You have to remember that after the six days
war Israel wanted to give the territories back for a peace agreement, but the
Arabs refused.


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