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From: Patrick E Fleming <pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Re: A Reply to constant ND Bashing (CB)
Organization: The Ohio State University
 <1992Dec10.173644.16783@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:41:45 GMT

Thanks for posting the CFA information.  I'm still confused, however, since I
thought I read some Notre Dame originated literature suggesting that the CFA
contract still covered Notre Dame away games.  Confusing, confusing.

Unfortunately, due to the big bucks invovled in college sports these days, so
much has reverted to the lawyers and away from the institutions and the
students who play.  I think it is a shame.  Unfortunately, it is also a
reality.

     - Pat
-- 
- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
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- Ohio Wesleyan University ---------- Heading south as the waters grow colder -
- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------
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From: zcjm0f@nvplota.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Ack thfppt to the fat guy!
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:04:26 GMT

In article <aggie-131292183755@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu> aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:
>In article <lJS=dhC@engin.umich.edu>, hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
>wrote:
>
>> BTW, when I watched the Rose Bowl last year, one of the commentator (I think 
>> he was Keith Jackson) said that Heisman Trophy winners in the past few years
>> were not very lucky in the subsequent bowl games.  Specially, the team with the
>> Heisman award winner used to lose in bowl game in that year.  He mentioned Ty 
>> Detmer in 1990 and two other guys.  Interestingly, Michigan lost as well after
>> Desmond Howard grabbed the award.
>
>> Any more info. to confirm his claim?
>
>Bo Jackson (1985), Tim Brown (1987) and Ty Detmer (1990) all lost big
>to TAMU in their final bowl games [35-7, 35-10 and 65-14]. Detmer also 



for the Auburn game, the score was
TAMU 	36
Bo	16



>got whooped up on by Hawaii in the final regular season game, and then 
>started off on the wrong foot against FSU in the Pigskin Classic.
>
>You mention Desmond (1991), and my list is missing 1986, 1988-1989.
>What happened to those missing years? 
>
>No, the Heismans don't seem to fare well after winning, even when/if
>they make it to the pro's.
>
>James
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Ack thfppt to the fat guy!
Date: 14 Dec 1992 13:47:38 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
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In <aggie-131292183755@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu> aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu writes:

> In article <lJS=dhC@engin.umich.edu>, hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
> wrote:
>

[Heisman winners teams do bad in bowl games. ex: Desmond Howard]
 
> > Any more info. to confirm his claim?
> 
> Bo Jackson (1985), Tim Brown (1987) and Ty Detmer (1990) all lost big
> to TAMU in their final bowl games [35-7, 35-10 and 65-14]. Detmer also 
> got whooped up on by Hawaii in the final regular season game, and then 
> started off on the wrong foot against FSU in the Pigskin Classic.
> 
> You mention Desmond (1991), and my list is missing 1986, 1988-1989.
> What happened to those missing years? 

  I dunno about '86, but...

  Barry Sanders (88) -- I have no idea. (beat A&M in regular season)
  Andre Ware    (89) -- UH was on probation, no bowl (lost to A&M, in regular 
			season)

> No, the Heismans don't seem to fare well after winning, even when/if
> they make it to the pro's.

  Mostly thanks to us! 4-1 vs. Heismann winners/eventual winners since '85.  
Too bad Mirer didn't get it this year!  :-)


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Last chance to look stupid !!!
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:29:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec12.012922.11623
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:

>Well I've watched a lot of postings about how everyone but Gino Torretta
>should win the Heisman and I've predicted for months how the winner will
>be Gino . So in less than 24 hours I may be happy or looking stupid :-)

Justin, being happy and looking stupid are not mutually exclusive.  If you
don't believe me, ask any Aggie.

Oh, BTW, regarding the subject line--you'll have plenty more chances to
look stupid in the future, I assure you.

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: elfering@socrates.umd.edu (David J. Elfering)
Subject: Re: request: sophomores going to NFL
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:12:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.212444.1904@a.cs.okstate.edu> cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA) writes:
>
>I thought the NFL has said that under no circumstances will they allow
>any sophmores into the draft.  Sophmores have to either continue
>into their junior year or go to some other league.
>
>Isn't this right?        

As my German grandmother said "NEIN"...i.e. no that's not true unless
somethign has changed since last years draft when there were at LEAST two
sophomores. Johnny Mitchel from Nebraska (we Nebraska fans all cried!),
and Tommy Maddox from UCLA, both of whom went in the first round. Johnny
left early so he could lift his family out of the horrible poverty they
lived in, and I can't fault him for that. In fact I applaud and envy him
for doing what he did for his family. Ever since Barry Sanders challenged
the NFL policy of not allowing under-classmen, I don't think there's
anything the NFL can "officially" do to prevent underclassmen from
entering the draft. Trouble is many of the guys who enter the draft early
wind up disappointed and undrafted and then CAN'T go back to play college
ball. Since they can't go back to their scholarships, they can't afford
school and they lose out all the way around. No degree, no NFL, and sadly
for many no hope.

Dave Elfering  elfering@socrates.umd.edu

 >
>Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
>ps. peace


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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Div I-AA Championship: Marshall vs Youngst
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:06:59 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division


And to think that just a little over 10 years ago when I was at Appalachian
State, no one wanted to be the first one in the conference to lose a football
game to Marshall.  Western Carolina got the first tie and Appalachian took
that first loss :-(  Marshall has come a long way in 10 years.

But, being from the Southern Conference, I have to pull for the "Blundering
Turd" this Saturday.  Go Marshall, beat YSU!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: Roger's Top 25--summary (long)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 16 Dec 1992 08:49 EST  

In article <1992Dec16.124950.8487@mlb.semi.harris.com>, dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com writes...
>In article 15DEC199218052910@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov, acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>>Category I:  Most appearances in the Top 25 during the season.  Twelve 
>>teams, here in order of final ranking (my system), never left the top 25 
>>all season.
>>
>>1 Florida 		16	(2 weeks at #1)
>           ^^^^^
> 
>Uh, Roger I think you forgot something on this one.  If you truly
>meant Florida, then you better look into a new computer!
>

You're right.  My typo.  That of course is Florida St; Florida was a lot 
further down the list.

R Dendy 

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject:  Heisman jinx?  A few numbers from recent years.
Organization: UMCC
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:38:33 GMT

:
In article <Bz7twC.1ry@encore.com> jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes
>hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:
[Torreta bashing deleted]
 
>>BTW, when I watched the Rose Bowl last year, one of the commentator (I think
>>he was Keith Jackson) said that Heisman Trophy winners in the past few years
>>were not very lucky in the subsequent bowl games.  Specially, the team with th
e
>>Heisman award winner used to lose in bowl game in that year.  He mentioned Ty
>>Detmer in 1990 and two other guys.  Interestingly, Michigan lost as well after
>>Desmond Howard grabbed the award.
>>Any more info. to confirm his claim?
>
>I don't know about Bowl games in general but the last time a Heisman
>winners team went on to win the National Championship was in 1976.
>Pittsburg and Tony Dorsett did it back then.
>
>Of course I'm hoping that Miami will do it this year in the Sugar Bowl.

 
Here's a comparison of Heisman winners and their team's 
bowl results since 1978 (I chose a year at random.  Nothing 
special about '78). Rank is final AP ranking for Heisman 
winner, pre-bowl ranking for opposing bowl team. 
NR=not ranked.
 
Year    Heisman winner              Rank  Bowl result
===========================================================
1978    Billy Simms(OK)             #4    Beat #6 Nebraska 
1979    Charles White(USC)          #2    Beat #1 Ohio State
1980    George Rogers(S. Carolina)  NR    Lost to #2 Pitt.
1981    Marcus Allen(USC)           #14   Lost to #7 Penn St.
1982    Herschel Walker(Geo.)       #4    Lost to #2 Penn St.
1983    Mike Rozier(Neb.)           #2    Beat #13 LSU
1984    Doug Flutie(BC)             #5    Beat NR Houston
1985    Bo Jackson(Auburn)          NR    Lost to #11 TAMU
1986    Vinny Testaverde(Miami)     #2    Lost to #2 Penn St.*
1987    Tim Brown(ND)               #17   Lost to #13 TAMU
1988    Barry Sanders(Ok. St.)      #11   Beat NR Wyoming
1989    Andre Ware(Houston)         #14   No bowl (probation)
1990    Ty Detmer(BYU)              #22   Lost to #15 TAMU
1991    Desmond Howard(Michigan)    #6(?) Lost to #1 Washington
 
*Penn State won MNC by beating then #1 Miami. 
 
Gino should be glad he's not playing PSU or TAMU.  :) 
Now, The following teams won National Championships the 
year the player won the Heisman.
 
Year  Player             Team
===================================
1938  Davey O'Brian      TCU 
1941  Bruce Smith        Minnesota
1943  Angelo Bertelli    Notre Dame
1945  Doc Blanchard      Army
1947  Johnny Lujack      Notre Dame
1949  Leon Hart          Notre Dame
1976  Tony Dorsett       Pittsburgh
 
Quite a break between Hart and Dorsett.  
Comparing these numbers to Gino's situation, put your money 
on 'Bama.  Of course, these statistics don't mean a whole 
lot.  Gino could be next on the short list of Heisman winners 
who led their team to MNCs.  
---
Steve
btw, don't flame if Washington was #1 in CNN, not AP.  I can't 
remember that and don't have stats for last year. 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Texas Southern's Ansering Machine
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:03:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.181709.25889@ryn.mro4.dec.com> murphy@rock.enet.dec.com () writes:
>
>Good Afternoon - you have reached the Texas Southern University Marching
>Band.  Unfortnuately, we are not in because we are playing with our brand
>new Super Nintendo Video Game Systems.  After that we will be kicking back and
>listening to CD's on our new personal sound systems.  If you would like to buy
>a similar system, and are using a touch tone phone, press one now.  If you
>need a touch tone phone, we would be happy to sell you a brnad new Konishiki
>24 touch tone system, at fire sale prices.

Hey!  That's pretty funny..  (but tasteless I will admit)

Now that the TSU Band has been dissolved, I guess I should start locking 
my doors.  They will probably start stealing electronics locally since 
they will have no more free trips....

...


You know its a sad day when a handful of ppl can embarrass your university
so bad that the band gets dissolved...


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: applcore@utkvx2.utk.edu (Core, Andrew)
Subject: Re: Johnny Majors back at Pitt
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Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:26:00 GMT

In article <d0k703EVc2wd00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes...
>In article <547@blue.cis.pitt.edu> hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu (Harry Bloomberg) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec11.195634.3778@ods.com> richard@ods.com (Richard Thompson) writes:
>>>Harry Bloomberg (hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu) wrote:
>>>:    To paraphrase Yogi Berra, this is just like deja vu all over again.
>>>: I'm back at Pitt (I was a trombone player in the band in 1976), Johnny's
>>>
>>>I was just wondering, does Tony's son get to play much?    
>>>
>>   He played quite a bit.  He started out the season on special teams
>>and I think he moved up to second string safety.  He's a real hard
>>hitter.
> 
>That brings up the question of O.J. Simpson's son. Didn't he get a scholarship
>to play at USC? Any other bigtime sons hanging out in college football 
>these days? Anybody got a list of sons of superstars out there? 
> 

Well, In basketball, there's Allan Houston of Tennessee, the coach's son -
perhaps a lottery pick (don't know much about the rest of the country).  And
Doug Dickey's son led Tennessee to a 35-7 Sugar Bowl victory over Miami on
January 1, 1986, from about 7pm to 11pm.  It was the The Best Game Ever Played. 
That and the Notre Dame game last year.  But I digress.  Doug Dickey was the 
former coach and current AD.  It is he that pretty much got rid of Johnny 
Majors (but there are *so* many rumors!).  I think Johnny will be good for
Pitt.  Heck, I thought he was good for UT.  Ah well, I guess that's why I'm not
the AD.

_
Go Vols!
Andrew Core
applcore@utkvx.utk.edu


> 
>Ronnie T.
> 
> 
>-- 
>Ronnie
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....
> 
>
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:06:44 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

rjones@buzzard.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones) wrote:
}
}So just exactly where are (were) Hardin-Simmons and Centre, why did
}they have such good football teams, and how did they swing so many bowl
}games at a time?  Anybody know?

Hardin-Simmons is in Abilene, Texas and Centre is in Danville, KY.
Both now play football in Division III.

These teams played 2 bowl games in one season basically because they
wanted to and there was no rule against it.  There are probably plenty
more examples of teams playing in more than one postseason game,
for example in the Great Depression many supplemental bowl games
were held after the season but before New Year's Day in order to
raise money for charity.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

           "You're living in your own private Idaho."
From: nolan@tssi.com (Michael Nolan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: For people looking for Orange Bowl Tix
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:57:32 GMT
Reply-To: nolan@tssi.com
Organization: Tailored Software Services, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.unl.edu

frank@.lds.loral.com (Ron Frank) writes:

>In article <aggie-081292143939@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu>,
>aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) wrote:
>> 
>> You might try: [904] 644-1830 - the 'Noles ticket office. Good luck, 
>> you'll need some, I think.
>> 
>> James

>Thanks for the number to the FSU Ticket Office.  For this game, however,
>tickets have been greatly limited.  I am a season ticket holder, and yet,
>am limited to only two tickets.  Are there any Silver Chiefs or Gold Chiefs
>out there in NetLand that are not planning on making it to the game (I know
>its a long shot)?

The last I had heard, Nebraska had orders for only about 3500 (out of a
possible 12500) tickets.  You could try calling them to see if they have
any left on Monday.  (They had to tell the Orange Bowl late Friday how many
tickets they were going to pay for.)  Of course, this assumes you don't mind
sitting in with the fans from the winning team.  <grin>
---
Mike Nolan
nolan@tssi.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: currin@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD D CURRIN)
Subject: Re: Sheridan Update
Originator: currin@baepm2.bae.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: currin@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD D CURRIN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:25:37 GMT


In article <00964EE4.536D9940@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU>, mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU) writes:
|>Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
|>Path: taco!MCHENRY@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU
|>From: mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
|>Subject: Re: Sheridan Update
|>Message-ID: <00964EE4.536D9940@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU>
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|>Reply-To: mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
|>Organization: North Carolina State University
|>References: <1g7csqINN9ac@rave.larc.nasa.gov> <00964E2F.850C3E80@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU>,<1992Dec11.181053.13597@infonode.ingr.com>
|>Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 13:55:06 EST
|>Lines: 51
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|>
|>
|>
|>>>
|>>>10-DEC-1992 16:16:00.16
|>>> 
|>>>
|>>>The papers hear have barely mentioned the subject for the past couple
|>>>weeks. The last thing said was on Monday and it was a statement by
|>>>NCSU athletics director Todd Turner stating that Sheriden had said
|>>>he was "content" with NCSU. Otherwise very little has been said on
|>>>this topic.
|>>>
|>>>My guess is that either he is interested and is going to take it or
|>>>he's just letting the NCSU fans and athletics department sweat a
|>>>little bit before he turns it down.
|>>>
|>>>I'm not a big fan of NCSU but I think it would be a big loss for the
|>>>ACC if he leaves.
|>>>
|>>>KRM
|>>>
|>>>
|>>>
|>>
|>>According to Auburn AD Mike Lude Auburn has not spoken to Sheridan since
|>>asking NCSU to allow them to speak to him.  Supposedly the source for
|>>the Atlanta article (I didn't see the paper, anyone know for sure?) was
|>>the father of a Senior in High School who is being recruited by NCSU 
|>>and Sheridan.  If this is true, great source guys!
|>>
|>>Bob
|>>
|>
|>It's unbelievable how tabloid like the "mainstream" papers are getting.
|>It sounds to me like the Atlanta Constitution took a gamble and lost.
|>I found it odd that they got this story but the papers here in Raleigh
|>never mentioned it. It's starting to look like maybe Sheridan is going
|>to be in Raleigh for a while yet. Is Auburn serious about anyone else?
|>Why is Sheridan the only one who seems to be spurring rumors at the
|>moment? I thought Auburn wanted to settle this thing quickly.
|

Isn't this the *same* Alanta Constitution that reported that Sheridan was
to be the new Georgia coach a few years back?

RC
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon)
Subject: Re: Northern Iowa/Youngstown St. preview
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:13:37 GMT

In <1992Dec11.100011@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>In article <Bz2uJ8.Ftx@news.iastate.edu>, ongh@iastate.edu (IDonTcareSOyShdU?) writes:
>>because of that ISU game you people at Cedar Falls are writhing in ecstacy and
>>claiming state champion? i never once doubted the UNI panthers as a solid
>>team, 
>>
>Hank, because UNI gets little in respect from ISU and Iowa.  If ISU and UI
>would quit treating UNI like a little brother/sister, then maybe there
>wouldn't be such a display of behavior.

It must be the trickle-down theory in practice.  ISU gets the same
treatment from the Schmuckeye loyal (90% of the state's population, it
seems).  UNI gets it for a reason--they're a I-AA team.  Admittedly,
they're one of the best 2A teams, but they are a smaller school.

On the other hand, ISU is almost the same size as UIowa, and has a
similar sports program.  But the whole state is constantly in a
Hawkeye orgy.  It's just assumed that if you're a resident in Iowa,
you must be a communist if you're not a Hawkeye fan.  I'm tired of
hearing Hawkeye-this and Hawkeye-that, with only afterthought mention
of the Cyclones if any mention at all (even moreso with the UNI
Panthers, I'm sure).  I swear if I see another "I bleed Black and
Gold" bumper sticker, I'm gonna hurl...

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jdd@engr.ucf.edu (Joseph Dumas)
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Summary: a little help for you
Keywords: bowl, defunct
Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:53:17 GMT

In article <14DEC199213533166@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>
acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:

>I'm compiling a list of Bowls-that-Were-but-Ain't-no-More, and I need some 
>net.assistance.  I need to find a total of 13 with their locations, and so  
>far I have five and only one location, as follows:
>
>Bowl			Location
>----			--------
>California Raisin	Fresno CA

>Bluebonnet		??

Was in Houston, I believe.  Later after they built the Astrodome they
moved it in there and called it the Astro-Bluebonnet Bowl for a while.

>Tangerine 		??

Still exists in Orlando, but the name was changed to the Florida Citrus
Bowl a few years back.  Guess they decided they were spending too much
money just to promote one kind of fruit....

>Garden State

Not sure, but from the name I'd guess New Jersey.  Maybe Giants Stadium
(or was this before that was built)?

>Cherry

Don't remember....

Joe
-- 
    ---------->  Joe is jdd@engr.ucf.edu (Joseph Dumas) <----------
"How about a nice game of Chess?"
"No, let's play Global Thermonuclear War."
"Fine."
From: poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:23:56 GMT
Reply-To: poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Dec14.224049.9136@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
>In article <14DEC199213533166@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.go
>v (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>>I'm compiling a list of Bowls-that-Were-but-Ain't-no-More, and I need some
>Lest we forget, the All American Bowl was played until a couple of years ago.

In Memphis?

>Also, there was the famous "Cigar Bowl," probably played in Havanna.

Ahhh...impressive, PDunn. It wasn't included among Mark Mitchell's list,
but there was one, and I believe it was in Tampa, Fl. sometime in the
40's. Sorry, no details.

David Poore
poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu