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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Oriloes/A's games
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:21:45 GMT
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Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Aug14.185646.27524@u.washington.edu> sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.052242.4556@news.stolaf.edu> alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad) writes:
>>
>>[The AL West race] is going to boil down to one thing.Team chemistry...Face it.
>
>Hey Joel, how do the Jays/O's, Braves/Reds, and Pirates/Expos races
>look, team chemistry-wise? 
>
I think that chemistry-wise, Baltimore has to be considered a favorite, since
they've got Stanford grads like Mussina and Hammonds.  Stanford grads have to
know their chemistry.

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From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez)
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Subject: MLB Magic Numbers for Wed, Aug 19th, 1992
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:28:43 GMT
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        MAGIC NUMBERS OF DIVISION LEADERS FOR WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 19, 1992

          [NOTE: Includes all of yesterday's games; i-idle yesterday
                   z-won yesterday or split a doubleheader.]

NATIONAL WEST		 MN	        	NATIONAL EAST		 MN
Atlanta	Braves		z--		        Pittsburgh Pirates	z--
Cincinnati Reds		z40		        Montreal Expos		 41
San Diego Padres	 36		        Chicago Cubs		z36
San Francisco Giants	 28		        St. Louis Cardinals      34
Houston Astros		z25		        New York Mets            32
Los Angeles Dodgers	z23		        Philadelphia Phillies	z28

AMERICAN WEST		 MN 		        AMERICAN EAST		 MN
Oakland Athletics	 --		        Toronto Blue Jays	z--
Minnesota Twins		 39		        Baltimore Orioles	 40
Chicago White Sox	z36		        Milwaukee Brewers	 38
Texas Rangers		 28		        Detroit Tigers          z30
Kansas City Royals       26		        Boston Red Sox          z29
California Angels        24		        Cleveland Indians       z28
Seattle Mariners	z19		        New York Yankees        z28
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From: todd@numep2.phys.nwu.edu (NUMEP)
Subject: Re: What's with Eric Hanson?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 07:27:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.231231.12865@u.washington.edu>, sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) writes...
>In article <5530@transfer.stratus.com> gene@ok.sw.stratus.com (Eugene Loparco) writes:
>>
>>Can anyone in Seattle shed some light on why Eric Hanson is having such a
>>dreadful year?  Does he have a nagging injury?  Has he lost all of his
>>confidence?  Has he lost his wicked curveball?  Or does he just suck (ie.
>>he doesn't know how to "pitch", just how to "throw")?  Or is it a combination
>>of the above?
>>
>>-Gene
> 
>I watched him last night from a good vantage point.  For the first
>two innings he looked like the EH of old.  After that, he got
>pounded.  The difference?  His velocity dropped noticeably after
>the second inning.  When the batters can get their timing,
>even his sharpest curve can be hit (although Dave Valle still
>can't catch it).  EH missed his last start because of sore
>arm problems; apparently, these problems are not solved.
> 
>-- 
>| Eric Sieferman            |   "Winning cures everything."          |
>| U. of W., M.C.I.S.        |     -- The Fabulous Sports Babe        |
>| sieferme@u.washington.edu |                                        |

It also has alot to do with the fact that the M's are supporting him
dismally...with runs, that is... there's always next year...

tkp

displaced M's fan

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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Subject: running up the score (WAS CRY BABY: PIRATES CRUSHED 15-0)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:06:57 GMT


In article <92229.222453IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Ryan Robbins  
<IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
> were completely slaughtered to cry that the winning team shouldn't
> have played to their potential. When you have a big lead, you can af-
> ford to take more chances. I see nothing wrong with a hitter trying
> to stretch a single into a double. The Pirates player also said that
> the Braves "rubbed their [Pirates] nose in it."
> 
> There's no such thing as running up the score. When any team goes out
> onto the playing field, that team's objective is to score as many runs
> as possible to beat its opponent. The object of the game is to score
> as many runs as possible so as not to get beat by your opponent. If
> your team can rack up 15 runs in a game (or 17 in one inning, which
> was accomplished by the Red Sox years ago) then that's great for you
> and too bad, how sad for your opponent. To run up the score of a base-
> ball game is impossible. Unless, of course, you were to eliminate pitch-
> in and hit fungoes.

Yes. But. There are strategic differences. Things like base stealing, 
sacrificing and stretching singles into doubles can increase a teams 
chance of scoring one more run but decrease the overall scoring potential
(the loss from outs outweighs the benefits from 'safes').
What a team is doing in this case is saying 
'*this run* is so important that we're willing to sacrifice our future 
scoring potential for it.' 
(i.e. they're *not* maximizing theier run scoring potential)
I can see this in a 3-3 game in the ninth inning, but I'm not so 
sure that it's reasonable with a double-digit lead.

This, of course, begs the question of whether or not the batter actually 
was stretching the base hit.

john rickert  		rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Rick Jospeh Raymond Charles James Richard Lee Thomas Thomas Gorman Thomas
John Russell Christopher George Scott Terry Lee Henry Norman Ray Lee Richard
James Ray Herbert Thomas Howard Doyle Alexander Johnson Fry
From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Subject: Re: Orioles/Jays -> Game 2
Organization: NSSL
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:32:38 GMT
Keywords: Ack! Phpt! 

In article <1992Aug12.140827.19669@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> sinhaa@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Anand Sinha) writes:
[Deletions]
>
>In the bottom of the 5th, Alan Mills got into trouble, with 2 out, Alomar 
>singles, steals 2nd.  After a very tough AB, Carter draws a walk.  Alomar and
>Carter take off on a double steal, but luckily for Mills, the ball bounces
>off Parent's equipment into the Jay's dugout.  Only one base allowed.  Mills
>then gets Winfield to ground out.  The play was ruled a double steal, but
>why then weren't Alomar and Carter allowed to advance *another* base on the WP?
>I don't understand that ruling.  That was Mills' last inning.

The rule is that on a pitched ball that goes out of play, the runners get to
advance one base from where they started the play.  The official scorer decided
that, since they were running, they would have gotten the stolen bases anyway,
but his decision is irrelvant to the final placement of the runners.

Harold
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Andres Galarraga (Through 11 August)  .235 BA  .359 SLG  .273 OBA
24 H away from .300  7 HBP  6 BB    664+ PA w/o a sacrifice
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From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo)
Subject: Roger Salkeld
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 03:29:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS

 Can anyone tell me if they know anything about Seattle Mariner prospect
Roger Salkeld? He went down in spring training with an arm problem and
the only thing that I've heard is that he is doing some rehab work in
an Arizona instructional league. I've got him on my roster in a
perpetual fantasy league and am wondering if he's damaged goods. 


e-mail please!

mike a. on zerobeat's account



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From: wizer@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (David Wizer)
Subject: Kirby Puckett and Shane Mack
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:12:49 GMT

 
 Over the last 3 years I have been monitoring the progress of Kirby 
Puckett and his batting record.  I have been particularly 
impressed with his consistency and for that matter gradual
improvements.  It is easy to see why he gets so much media
attention and makes such a major contribution to the Twins.

 Yet, I have also noticed the arrival of Shane Mack as an
extremely productive hitter over the last 3 three years.
It is hard to believe but Mack's stats have been rather
similar to Puckett's although Puckett continues to get
the larger share of media attention.  The point is that
Shane Mack is one of the lesser known stars of
the AL and deserves much greater status for his fine offensive
production as well as fielding talent.

 The following is a composite of both Puckett's and Mack's
3 year production and an average year if they each had 500
plates appearences.  Yes, Mack matches Puckett in most areas.
This is not to say that Mack is a better player.  Puckett has
been superlative for five times longer.  Mack is moving toward
the status of Kirby Puckett.  Note that Mack has a higher OBA
and SLG than Puckett over the 3 year period.

Puckett 
AB     H   R  2  3  HR  RB  BB  SB  AVG.
1626  512 255 95 13 44 254 112  29  .314   1990-1992 (Until 8-14-92)
500   157 78  29  4 14  78  34   9  .314

Mack
1204  387 204 60 17 38 178 106  44  .321   1990-1992 (Until 8-14-92)
500   161  85 25  7 16  74  44  18  .321

-David Wizer                                      internet:
Johns Hopkins University                          wizer@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
From: pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Mets BLAST Dodgers to avoid SWEEP
Date: 20 Aug 1992 23:09:39 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

The Mets found their bats tonight against inconsistent
Ramon Martinez and Tim Crews imitator Steve Wilson.

Ramon was in trouble from the first inning, even though
he retired the side in order.  He fell behind the hitters
and in the second inning, gave up a solo homer to
Eddie Murray, who was hitting just .167 against the Dodgers
at the start of the game.

The Dodgers came back to score 2 runs in the 3rd and take a brief
2-1 lead.  Eric Karros drove in the runs with a clutch, 0-2 count
single off Fernandez.  But Ramon wobbled badly in the 4th, giving
up back to back home runs to Bonilla (2 run blast) and Sasser
to make it 5-2 Mets.

When Steve Wilson entered the game the Mets were leading 7-3.
But Wilson gave up 4 runs, including a triple by Schofield and
a two run homer by Pecota.  In all, the Mets had 11 runs on 12
hits with no errors.

Franco pitched the ninth inning.  After getting two quick outs, he
pitched a real tight inside pitch to Offerman that almost hit him
(at the ankles).  Offerman seemed mad and retaliated with a home
run, his first of the year.  After walking Young, Franco retired
Karros to end the game.  The Dodgers finished with 4 runs on
8 hits with amazingly no errors.

				BleedsDodgerBlue
From: sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Wells/Gaston
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:15:50 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Aug21.205247.6528@epas.toronto.edu> binkley@epas.utoronto.ca (P. Binkley) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.195717.21938@u.washington.edu> sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith) writes:
>...
>>                      But the real reason Wells was left in the game was that
>>Pobre-Cito was still hurting from an incident that occurred, what, over a year
>>ago now?
>...
>>             Cito got to show Wells what happens to people who make him look
>>bad, and that's the most important thing in Cito's mind.
>
>Evidence?
>
>Peter Binkley
>binkley@epas.utoronto.ca
>

Evidence? We don't need no stinking evidence! Yes, my language was stronger
than my knwoledge of the situation probably warranted. But it seems that
I've seen similar charges leveled at Cito in the past. Can anyone fill
in details? I turned on SportsCenter last night in the middle of their
account of the Jays/Brewers game. The announcer's first words I heard were
"Cito says 'You want to stay in there, you can stay in there.'" or something
to that effect. That comment, coupled with some vaguely-remembered verbiage
I read about the incident and Cito's reaction to it led me to believe that
there are at least a few others who believe my accusations are true, including
some mediots, who presumably have more access to Sr. Gaston than I do.

If I can't slander someone in r.s.bb, where can I slander them?

--Steve
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From: str@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM (Todd Rader)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: AL Marginal Lineup Values through 8/9
Date: 17 Aug 1992 20:03:07 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
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In article Cx0@world.std.com, szs@world.std.com (Stephen Z Stein) writes:
%
%BATTERS       TM   POS     Avg     SLG     OBP     G    PA     MLV    MRPG
%THOMAS,F      CWS   1B   0.324   0.549   0.453   108   480   35.89   0.332
%FRYMAN,T      DET   SS   0.279   0.455   0.319   112   487   33.44   0.299
%MARTINEZ,E    SEA   3B   0.337   0.542   0.398   106   453   32.67   0.308
%MCGWIRE,M     OAK   1B   0.273   0.599   0.394   110   451   29.32   0.267 <===
%TETTLETON,M   DET    C   0.248   0.485   0.383   111   464   27.10   0.244
%ALOMAR,R      TOR   2B   0.317   0.448   0.412   103   447   25.65   0.249
%GRIFFEY,KJR   SEA   CF   0.304   0.544   0.358    95   404   25.33   0.267 <===

Steve and/or Dr. Dave:  Could one of you explain to me what factors in KGJR's
stats pull him even with McGwire?  McGwire has a higher OBA, higher SLG, more
of the "media stats" (HR, Run, RBI), etc.  KGJR has more H/game, but nothing
else that's glaringly obvious.  What in the MRPG equation pulls Griffey
even with McGwire?

-todd
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From: mem@mv.mv.com (Mark E. Mallett)
Subject: Re: Peter Gammons: A Query
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:40:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.122434.19401@brtph560.bnr.ca> usscoop1@bnr.ca (Chuck McCusker P015) writes:
>In article <14AUG92.02542454@vax.clarku.edu>, hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>|> Peter Gammons must make a fair amount of money, writing for the
>|> Globe and doing his thing on ESPN, so couldn't he buy himself a chin?
>
>Or some lips.

Or a ticket on an occasional train of thought ...

-mm-
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From: kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey)
Subject: Re: What's a cycle?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:51:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.155536.2561@rigel.econ.uga.edu> jvariyam@ada.stat.uga.edu (jayachandran n variyam) writes:
>Could someone pl. explain:
>
>  a) In the 15-0 Braves blow out of Pirates there was a
>     mention of L. Smith completing a cycle.  What's a cycle?

Hitting a single, double, triple and homerun in the same game.
This is very rare.

>  b) What are the features of a knuckle ball and change-up in
>     terms of the trajectory?

A knuckle ball has almost no rotation and can break in any direction
at the last second.  It's trajectory is unknown and that is what
makes it an effective pitch.

A change-up is more hard to define.  IMHO, it's a term for a "slow" pitch
when the pitcher is expected to throw a fast-ball.  It is usually just
a straight off-speed pitch (not a curve). 

>Thanks. 

You're welcome

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From: sinhaa@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Anand Sinha)
Subject: Re: Emotional Attachment to Teams
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:39:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.192643.801973@locus.com> aardvark@locus.com (Warren Usui) writes:
>When I first became a fan of the home team as a little kid, I think it was the
>players that I rooted for.  I still like these guys even though I know that 
>two of them are answers to the Village Voice quiz.

Interesting question.  Could it be that what you really root for is
*your own* childhood innocence? You've been a fan of the team since you
were a child, with your childhood memories/dreams/heroes and villians.  As
the players moved on, you continued to root for the team because they
are a throwback to when you were a child and everything seemed more
"cut and dried".  Logic was not needed then. 
>
>However, I still root for the same team, even though the players have
>changed.  I find this irrational because I have no real reason to root
>for them.  So I would like to ask the net this question to any hardcore
>fans of any team out there:  Would you root for your team, even if the
>entire personnel of that team changed, just because it's your team?

I've been a fan of the Montreal Canadiens (NHL) since I was about 6.  24
years later, I am still an emotional, hardcore fan of the team, so bad that
my blood pressure goes up by a whole heck of a lot whenever they play
poorly.  Obviously, none of the players are still around from the 1968-9 
team that I first started to like.  Or the teams from the 70s that I 
followed very closely.  

I think one gets attached for no rational reason, and for no rational
reason does one stick with a team.  After all, rationality does not have
to come into effect for everything does it?  I think that your history
has a lot to do with sticking with a team.  Also, I think the Canadiens
are a part of my personality.  I couldn't stop rooting for them anymore
than I could stop being untidy.  Just part of who I am.
>
>For example, let's say you are a New York Met fan.  You just heard it
>was announced that the entire New York Met team was traded for the
>entire Boston Red Sox team.  If you were going to a game that day,
>would you root for the ex-Boston guys just because they were wearing
>Met uniforms?

Probably. I still root for the Jays, even though the *hated* Jack Morris is
on the team.  I hope the Jays win, but Morris pitches poorly. :-)  

As I said, interesting topic. I am interested in hearing other's views...

Anand Sinha .. proud member of the Roger Maynard kill file
Blue Jays #1 -> all the way in '92
Robbie Alomar for MVP
Juan Guzman for Cy Young

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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Twins/Indians  Game-10   8/19/92
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:12:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19778
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


       Twins ............. 1 ; Indians ............. 8

Frustration is the word now writ large in the face of the Twins
as they carved out another self inflicted defeat. Just fresh
after their painful loss to the Mariners on Sunday, this was
another which they would like to forget.

Two potential runs were thrown out at the plate. Gagne makes
a crucial error, which scores 3 unearned runs. After that the
Twins were never the same and they looked totally dejected
and listless. The Indians rubbed it in by scoring 3 more
runs to complete the rout. 
The Twins are a good hitting team, but, where are the home-runs???
which they seem to give up more often than hit. 

Whoever expected the Twins to go through a major slump
at this crucial juncture of the season.
Well... that is baseball.
Hoping that they break out of this tomorrow.

S.H
Win or lose; Twins forever.
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: It ain't over yet
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:29:34 GMT

In article <4656@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes:
>This is all very interesting but it seems that for all the talk one important
>aspect is being ignore.  Even if local buyers were come forth wouldn't that
>create a real legal stink for MLB?  
>
>I mean I'm certainly no expert in contract law but didn't Lurie's public 
>announcement of an acceptance of an offer for the purchase of the team 
>constitute a valid contract?  

Undoubtably there's an escape clause in the contract.  If there was a
contract, rather than an agreement to agree (which is usually 
unenforceable.)  

A Texas jury might believe otherwise, so your mileage may vary.
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Mets draft protection
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 23:22:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.212710.12280@rchland.ibm.com> nayar@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Naresh Nayar) writes:

>I think Magadan is a free agent.
>They have to protect Murray because he is a 10 year man. 

No.  Only 10-5 (10-year player, 5 years with the same team) must be protected.

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GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
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