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From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: A Taste of Culture
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:24:12 GMT
Organization: (getting there)
Keywords: Gay food

rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) takes me to task:
 >Now, Mara, we had been discussing food that *looked* like erotic parts but 
 >Donna's Penis Pie might simply be made from the raw ingredients.

That'll teach me to look only at the index.  However, a quick
perusal of the ingredients mentions no such thing.  (Hot dogs are
included.)

I was, of course, fairly confident that the ingredients wouldn't
have included Donna's penis, unless of course (this is the
transgender thread, I guess) she'd finished with it.

There is a story in my family that involves my then rather innocent
aunt who, on a stroll through Chinatown, was told that the oviform
items in the window were "pigs' balls, dearie."  I must get my
mother to remind me of the details of the buildup.  Or invent a new
one.
-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: A Taste of Culture
Keywords: Gay food
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:37:31 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Dec16.195514.856@psych.toronto.edu> paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.183021.405@cbfsb.cb.att.com> rcrice@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roger.w.crice) writes:
>>
>>So, I need some creative suggestions:  The Affirmative
>>Action committee here at my office hosts on occasion an
>>event they call "A Taste of Culture."  In fact we're having
>>one today. 
>>
>
>>When I first heard about this, I thought to myself What
>>sort of food could I share with my coworkers that would
>>represent *my* culture?  All I could think of was canape's
>>and cocktails.  
>
>While that's certainly a start, the answer is:
>
>PASTA PASTA PASTA PASTA PASTA PASTA PASTA PASTA
>
>It's gotten to the point that I try to think of things OTHER THAN PASTA
>to serve if I have people over for dinner, 'cause it seems to me that
>gay men eat, and serve, more linguine, penne, rigatoni, spaghetti, you
>name it, than any other cultural group on this planet!  
>Really, a nice penne al pesto with a light extra virgin olive oil, no cream
>or tomato sauce, is joost diviiine, but don't you dare skimp on the garlic!

Ok, I have to jump in here, I personally, grew up on PASTA, and love it!
Not the store bought crap, but fresh, home-made pasta (Ask anyone who's had
my Ravioli and you'll understand!!!)  with a good heavy red meat sauce, 
with lots of garlic (fresh) and onion and parsley, oregeno, basil (all 
fresh when possible)  Add in a bit of honey to counteract the acidity, 
a touch of vanilla, and several other ingrediants, like sausage and 
ground beef (for the non-veggies).  I use ground turkey often since my 
roomie is a non-red meat veggie, but will eat poultry.  If seasoned
properly it's almost as good.  

This isn't a "gay" dish to me at all, in fact, it's just my ethnic 
background (Italian, with a bit of Polish thrown into the genes (jeans?)
>
>>                When I read a note from the event coordinator
>>asking everyone to please consider bringing in a *dish*, 

So who are you bringing??
>
>>Does anyone have a favorite "dish?"

See above, but I also like to take the PASTA and smear it all over a 
bear and eat it off him..mmmm.mmmm.mmmm..
>
>Well, here in Toronto, Pepsi does a helluva job...   
 
Dr. Pepper!
>
>>Thanks in advance for your ideas,
Happy cooking
Dominick

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From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ren and Stimpy (was Re: Bert and Ernie)
Date: 20 Dec 92 00:08:37 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <thaaang.724570814@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell) writes:
>>I recently met (briefly) the voice of stimpy... definitely high on the
>>gaydar scale. (We have a mutual friend, I'll ask.)
>How exceedingly nice. If he's one of those cute lanky goatee'd people,
>ask him to marry me, too. Just as long as he doesn't sound like that
>in real life...

Naaaaah.  (The voice, that is.)

Don't you recognize it?  Ask Billy ("Stimpy") West; he'll tell you.  It's
Larry Fine of the Three Stooges.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG              {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!sgiblab!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: kkenny@gems.vcu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Special Rights for Homosexuals
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:16:57 -0400
Organization: Medical College of Virginia

In article <1992Dec9.201934.26429@tc.cornell.edu>, shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
> In article <latarra.723927229@camelot> latarra@camelot.bradley.edu (Lisa Ehren) writes:
>>Lesbians are more stable in their partnerships <read: change partners less
>>often> than their heterosexual counterparts, but lesbians have fewer
>>orgasms than their heterosexual counterparts.
> 
> I suppose it depends what you call 'fewer.'  Given rampant
> Lesbian Bed Death that may (or may not) be true if you're
> looking at totals, but I've seen documentation* that under
> 50% of all women usually have orgasms during straight sex,
> while slightly over 90% have orgasms when having sex with
> another woman.

Please excuse that my news-reader is days behind, but I have to
speak up here.  Lisa, I don't know where you get your facts, but
if they are from personal experience, honey, you need to find
yourself some new wimmin to hang around.  The lesbians I know
and hang with have the big Os in Melinda's stated frequency!
It is true that long-term lesbians couples do show signs of LBD  
(nice touch, Melinda!), but then so do their strayt and gay 
counterparts.  I'm not so sure that your statement holds water
with lesbians not in long-term "stable" relationships.

At least, I am sure doing my best not to make it so!  8-)

Karen
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: crombie@iisat.alt.ns.ca
Subject: Re: [FORWARD]:  HOMOSEXUALITY VIA KIN SELECTION ?
Organization: Public Access UNIX
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:41:53 GMT
Summary: Actually, I read about this on soc.motss...

In article <1992Dec13.020142.24063@netcom.com>, jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
> In article <12DEC199215034607@cc.utah.edu> beezer@cc.utah.edu (BEEZER) writes:
> 
> >I'm writing a biologogical paper on a rather recent theory stating
> >that homosexuality could plausible be have evolved via kin selection.
> 
> It's not that new.  Sounds similar to the altruism theories of the
> sociobiologists back in the early 1970's. 
> 


Certain types of behavior have been observed in social animals --
wolves I believe in particular -- that suggests there is an evolutionary
purpose to homosexuality, a predisposition to which may only be
passed on genetically.

Although wolves hunt and live in packs, offspring are raised in couples.
It has been observed that some unmated males will attach themselves to
a mated couple to help rear the cubs. Obviously cubs raised with the 
help of an "unmarried uncle" have a clear adaptive advantage over those
raised by only a male-female pair -- there's an extra body to help
guard the den and an extra body providing food for the young. Social
groups -- gene pools -- that contain a predisposition to produce
"unmarried uncles" have a greater chance of survival than those 
without.

Humans spent several hundred thousand years being social animals, living
in packs much like wolves. It is absurd to think that the moment we 
began cultivating grain we sloughed off all that genetic, evolutionary
survival gear. Civilization is a very new invention, and one we haven't
quite perfected yet.

(I apologize for not providing a source for this wolf study -- I read 
about it here though, so someone else may recall it.)
 


-- 
Kevin Crombie		Public Access Unix
UUCP:  {dalcs,ulowell}!iisat!crombie
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: A reply to Mr. Pierce (was Re: PHOBE ALERT: That XX Louis Sheldon...)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:04:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.002944.2699@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>Steve Dyer goes on to say:
> >It's not that *I'm* offended, but that there are people who will be.
>
>Well, I don't offend all that easily.  But when someone uses 
>"limp wristed" in my presence as a synonym for weak, I _am_
>offended.

No, you're absolutely correct.  That was a really terrible way of
phrasing it, and I noticed it myself, as I was mentally reviewing what
I wrote as I was driving to work.  (Am I weird, or is this not all that
uncommon?)  Some phrases get more attention than others (indeed, as do
some articles), and those that I don't give attention to sometimes
quite justly get more attention from others.  This was a horrible way
of trying to say that I don't feel personally attacked by such
comments, but that they are nonetheless offensive to me.  Hmmm, I'm not
even sure if that exactly captures what I mean, but I think I'll quit
while I'm ahead.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca (stephen cooper 9209 U)
Subject: Re: 6 December 1989 / Montreal Massacre
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:04:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec6.070824.3412@vlsi.polymtl.ca> doctor@boole.uucp (Bao-Phac Do (doctor zero)) writes:
>In article <ByrBy6.KD0@ecf.toronto.edu> ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu (Chris Ambidge) writes:
>>December 6 will be the third anniversary of the Montreal Massacre.  On
>>that day in 1989, Marc Lepine, armed with a semi-automatic weapon, went into
>>the Ecole Polytechnique in Montreal.  He systematically singled out and
>>shot female engineering students, shouting "you're all  a bunch of 
>>feminists" (or words to that effect, in French).  He left twelve people
>>injured and fourteen women dead before he turned the weapon on himself.
>>
>
>[... bla bla ...]
>
>As an engineering student in the said school at the said time, I'll say
>this on behalf of most of my friends at school.  Let it go.

On the contrary.  It reminds us that women are assaulted and killed every
day around the world by men.  The massacre hit especially close to home.
Those women were murdered because they were women.  It's something you don't
expect to happen in Canada.  I for one will never forget it.
-- 
Steve Cooper      |  Internet:  scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca
Waterloo, Ontario |  If you actually think I speak for Wilfrid Laurier
Canada!!          |  University, well... I don't even want to think about it.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor)
Subject: Re: Special Rights for Homosexuals
Originator: czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
Organization: University of North Carolina
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:27:33 GMT

Just thought I would note that, since the dorm rules only prohibit
members of the opposite sex in your room after a certain time, I can have,
um, a date spend the night without risk of being written up for breaking
the rules. 

season

-- 
                     ____
Season Taylor        \  / "we are one body/we are one spirit/one breath/one
czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu\/   dream of life and death/.../one sex"
(yes, as in the 4)                          -sophie b. hawkins
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Charlie Fulton <charlie@isis.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: Devil CD's
Organization: Ctr for Advanced Rsrch in Oppressive Binarisms
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:41:38 GMT

In article <71517@cup.portal.com> 
George Dalton Madison, Furr@cup.portal.com writes:
>You really think you can *hear* the difference?  Talk 
>about a capacity for self-delusion.....

You're right; I'm self-deluded.  Any old records you'd
like to give me?

Charlie
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fwhite@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Re: Genetic Homosexuality?exit
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:18:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.221933.29489@penet.fi>, an2335@anon.penet.fi writes:
>   We know that homosexual people have less children than heteros.
> Then, if homosexuality is genetic, we should expect the proportion of
> homosexual people decrease generation by generation. This hasn't been
> observed. Can we then deduce that homosexuality isn't necessarily
> genetic?
> 
I'm not a believer in the genetic basis of homosexuality. But couldn't a
believer argue that homosexuality was a resessive gene that even
hets have and thus will continue to be passed along?
-- 

					e. fran white
					fwhite@hamp.hampshire.edu
From: nomad@network.ucsd.edu (Lee Damon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: new contact address for nomad (administratrivia)
Followup-To: poster
Date: 14 Dec 1992 07:50:46 -0800
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: network.ucsd.edu
Summary: don't use nomad@watson.ibm.com, please.

I'll be leaving IBM sometime soon (hopefully with in the next few
weeks).  In order to be sure I get email, I'm asking people to stop
using nomad@watson.ibm.com as a mailing address.  Email can be sent to
me at nomad@network.ucsd.edu or nomad@close.cs.columbia.edu, or for
Internet originated email, nomad@castle.org. (Mail sent to castle via
uucp will die at philabs :( .)

I don't expect to be able to give much warning (if any) when I leave,
(this is what happens when you have the root password) so I'm taking
this chance now to let everyone who might care (and obviously many who
don't :) how to contact me.

Obviously, I'll be unable to reply to email while I'm in transit from
IBM to my new place of emplyoment. I'll reply to mail as soon as I am
able.

Happy Winter Solstice

nomad
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: St. Capote Protege Toute La Famille
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 08:36:40 EST

rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:

> >i was very pleased with the d'orsay.  it's a huge, well-lit space,
> 
> Harrumph -- it's "well-lit" only if that term means an
> excess of bright, white light that flattens and deadens
> the Treasures of the Jeu de Paume, and makes even Renoir's
> pink nymphets look exactly like dead jesuses.  This aghast
> an art the Parisians haven't yet destroyed...
> -- 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san ramon, ca -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------


...Take a look at the National Gallery in Ottawa, Canada, designed by 
Moshe Safdie.  It has the most magnificent, colour-enhancing lighting I 
have ever seen, anywhere - utterly magnificent.

Namaste,
Elizabeth


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.* (was Re: new newsgroup proposal:talk.politics.motss)
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:54:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.205206.26240@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>>I have trouble seeing that a *flat* non-crossposting strategy like
>>this one would be good news in the long run.
>
>	Read it again - the posting still goes to all newsgroups,
>just not cross-posted.

And?  For that one discussion in a dozen, or in a hundred, for which
crossposting is a good idea, is there any way around it?  No.  All we
wind up with is splintered discussion.

>	I think it's a great idea -- and we could set up an
>exception list, say soc.bi, any of the *.motss groups, etc.
>But just getting rid of the talk.politics effluence would IMHO be
>a GREAT step forward.

Perhaps the auto-moderator would *only* split crosspostings with
*.politics.*.  Even then, I'm not sure this is preferable to personal
hygiene.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Call/Fax/Write Fernandez
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 12:16:58 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
 >I've directed followups to alt.politics.homosexuality.

and I've set this one back here because I have no desire to get
embroiled in a.p.h. stuff and because I'm focusing on a very small
point from the context of this discussion.  Walter Smith has said
repeatedly that he thinks kids 
  >>should be taught is that *all* people should be respected for
  >>who they are, *period*.  From this you derive that I think kids
  >>of gay parent-households should be teased?  
And Tim answered:
 >From a practical perspective, failing to teach children about the
 >existence of gay households *will* have the effect that kids in grade
 >school who have gay parents will be teased and ostracized.  That's
 >Greg's point and mine. 

I'll take it a step further.  Kids don't always know what they see.
(Neither do adults.)  Kids who see only models of families where
there are two parents, one of each sex, and who are instructed that
this is what a family "looks like," are learning *by* *default* that
whatever they see that doesn't fit this pattern isn't a family.  If
the models include people of various ethnic and religious
backgrounds, the image is that much stronger-- *this* and *this* and
*this* and *this*-- *these* are families.  A smart kid will
recognize very quickly that there are patterns that don't fit the 
model, and will understand that whatever those patterns represent,
it's not a *family*.

It's all too easy to take this a step further:  If all people should
be respected for who they are, but some people are obviously *not*
respected, and not even really referred to as they are, then those
aren't really *people*, are they?  

Books like "Heather Has Two Mommies" aren't the whole answer.  But
they're a start.

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The MOW Platform (was Re: NOTICE - Details...)
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:49:33 GMT

In article <BzDLw0.LLu@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
> In article <18147@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
> >uhm..
> >I use vnews, and when multiple newsgroups are listed the software 
> >requires me to set a follow up group.
> 
> Don't use vnews.  Sheesh, this is dumber than "I want a new newsgroup
> because my software doesn't support kill files."

I happen to like vnews!

I like trn better, but we haven't got it functioning here yet.`

LUX ./. owen

--
D. Owen Rowley {uunet,fernwood,sun}!autodesk!owen

  " It will be a cold March 17th that I celebrate the imposition of
	Romes rule, on Pagan Ireland. Erin go ppphhhhhttttttt! "
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad)
Subject: Re: NOTICE - Details of the March on Washington
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:49:31 GMT

In article <SCG.92Dec13230251@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu writes:

[Not to me, but I'm going to reply anyway.]

>Seems to me that your argument against supporting transgender rights
>is that while, yeah, they're a nice idea and all that, we don't want
>them getting in the way of OUR rights which are more important, after
>all.  

Not "more important" -- just "the topic at hand."  One can demand the
end of every form of oppression on earth at the same time -- I would
certainly support such a wish.  But focused efforts seem to work better.

>Not a very consistent attitude.  If you think something is right,
>fight for it.  If you don't, don't.  But to fight for one thing you
>think is right and not fight for something else you think is right is
>inconsistent.

Yes, of course.  It's also necessary.  Yes, nobody is free while one
person is not free, and all that.  It's true.  But does each effort have
to encompass all efforts?  Isn't there such a thing as limiting one's
immediate goals to something less than "free all humankind" in order 
to make them clear?

Sorry, but I remember too many meetings and groups over the years,
supposedly gathered to deal with motss issues, where the first order 
of business was "to deal with the racism we all have" or "to become
aware of the sexism we all retain."  All true statements and necessary
goals, I have no doubt.  But they were also ways to avoid dealing with 
the business we had convened to handle.  Eventually each of these 
efforts fell apart because in trying to handle everything, they satisfied 
nobody and accomplished nothing.

Jon Alan Conrad
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor)
Subject: Ren and Stimpy (was Re: Bert and Ernie)
Organization: University of North Carolina
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:46:37 GMT

In article <18131@autodesk.COM> mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) writes:

>I wonder if Ren and Stimpy are gay?

One of the Ren and Stimpy creators came and did a presentation in Chapel
Hill about a month ago.  He was telling us about some of the things that
had been censored from one of the episodes.  In the episode Ren and Stimpy
were about to be hanged, and in the uncensored version Ren confesses to
Stimpy that he used Stimpy's tongue to soothe his saddle sores while he
was sleeping.  Stimpy says, "I wasn't really asleep."

season, full of useless information




-- 
                     ____
Season Taylor        \  / "we are one body/we are one spirit/one breath/one
czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu\/   dream of life and death/.../one sex"
(yes, as in the 4)                          -sophie b. hawkins
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Colorado Boycott group formed
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:13:12 GMT
Organization: NIST

I have just read that the Catholic Campus Ministers Association regional
meeting scheduled for Tampa in 1994 was cancelled in response to the
recent referendum there.

Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"Home is where your roof landed" - t-shirt seen in Miami
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: jbeason@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Joseph E. Beason)
Subject: Re: NOTICE - Details of the March on Washington
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:32:14 GMT

scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Kelly Martin) writes:

>Not a very consistent attitude.  If you think something is right,
>fight for it.  If you don't, don't.  But to fight for one thing you
>think is right and not fight for something else you think is right is
>inconsistent.

I'm not sure I agree with this.  People only have so much energy/time/
resources.  If I fight for everything I feel is right, I won't be
living, just fighting.  I think you have to choose your battlefield, and
then expend your power there.  I can be an ally to other people in other
causes, and help them as I can in my day-to-day living, but I have my
limits.

Newsgroups: soc.motss