HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: Presidential Debates
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:42:26 GMT
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO

Brandon Charles Morrisey writes:

>
>	At the press conference I asked the various speakers (mostly
>from the presidential debates commission) why Andre Marrou had not
>been invited to participate.  Their resonse was "The candidate must
>meet certain criteria which we have previously published.  Andre
>Marrou the Libertarian does not meet these requirements."  I quickly
>asked what criteria Ross Perot met that Andre did not.  No response
>out of him.  I asked if this unspoken criteria was a realistic chance
>of getting elected.  One of them sort of grudgingly said that in all
>likelyhood that was it.  I then said that Ross Perot only has 7% in
>the latest polls, and that this was not representative of a realistic
>chance of winning the election.  I asked them again what the criteria
>were.  They only said the criteria had been published.  I distinctly
>got the impression that they had no idea what the hell they were
>talking about.  This was from the man who coordinates all of the media
>coverage, set, lighting, announcements, invitations, etc.
>

     The general comments from the news media and others from the Commission
for Presidential Debates (not the man who spoke yesterday) say that a person
must have a definite impact on the election in order to be included in the
debates.
  
     While Ross Perot will not (as far as anyone can tell) win any states, he
does have two things going for him :

1) He can poll a large enough share of the vote to potentially alter the outcome
of the Presidential Election in one or more states.  Andre Marrou does not
have this level of support (1 % vs. 7 % does make a big difference in that
regard).

2) Perot was leading the polls at one point in the election, so that could be
another basis for including him in the debate, current standings aside.  

    Then, of course there could be the factors of his wealth and his big mouth
which he continually spouts off against anyone he doesn't like... and perhaps
the Commission on Presidential Debates (and more specifically one of the two
major candidates) did want that to be tagged on them.

Greg
gl1@cec2.wustl.edu
From: cb926@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Edmund Joseph Ryan)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou
Subject: Re: Help out!
Date: 29 Sep 1992 00:43:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Sorry, I don't vote socialist.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: mrl28033@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael R Linksvayer)
Subject: Marrou on MacNeil/Lerher tonight (Wednesday)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:37:47 GMT

No notice has reached this site, so proabably a dozen other
people posting at this moment. You can see the M/L Newshour 
on most PBS stations.

-- 
Mike Linksvayer   m-linksvayer@uiuc.edu   +1 217 344 1326
Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.perot
From: mrl28033@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael R Linksvayer)
Subject: Re: Varied: (Taxes, Knight & Perot) and this gro
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:53:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.170700.9347@kpc.com> emmett@kpc.com (Emmett Kilgariff) writes:
>In article <Bv8KFw.9K0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mrl28033@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael R Linksvayer) writes:
>>A recent editorial, in Forbes I believe, called Perot's
>>plan a 'warmed over $300 billion tax increase.'
>> 
>	Isn't Forbes the magazine that was predicting a 
>Trade surplus by the end of the year? Great magazine.

Yes, it is a great magazine (with the exception of
Caspar Weinberger). No, I do not think that Forbes was
predicting a trade surplus by the end of the year, and I
read every issue semi-thorougly.

-- 
Mike Linksvayer   m-linksvayer@uiuc.edu   +1 217 344 1326
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From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Yet another Marrou interview on McNeil-Lehrer
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 11:24:53 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

I have just learned that the McNeil Lehrer NewsHour has taped another
interview of Andre Marrou, the Libertarian candidate for president
(and the only non-prohibitionist on the ballot in all 50 states).

The interview is supposed to be broadcast either Wednesday, September 30,
or Thursday, October 1.


    Alan T. Furman         | VOTE LIBERTARIAN!!  Marrou/Lord in 92!!
---------------------------+----------------------------------------
  atfurman@cup.portal.sig  |   (800)682-1776 for more information
From: josh@planchet.rutgers.edu (J Storrs Hall)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou
Subject: Marrou spot on Headline News
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:13:55 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Just caught the 13:49 "spot".  Not terribly impressive (but surely
better than nothing).  Now we know we should vote for Marrou because
he has a chair and a fireplace and knows someone who can draw a 
caricature of Sunnunu.  Whoopee.

Not that anybody cares, but I would have done a condensed version of 
the news story I saw a few weeks ago showing Bush and Clinton offering
exactly the same platitudes, word for word, in response to issues 
questions.  Or quote Bush saying "Government is too big and spends
too much" and then show how he's increased spending more than any
other president ever.  Note that Clinton would spend even more.
Ask, "You call that a *choice*?"

--JoSH
Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: AIDS crisis
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:29:28 GMT

In article MpB@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz, moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (moz [chris moseley]) writes:
>shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer) writes:
>> AIDS is not a punishment from God at all. It is a natural consequence
>> of ignoring the users manual. Sort of like jumping of a cliff.
>
>Can you please let me know where I can get a copy? It's not listed
>on any of the catalogues I can access. I assume it has Humans/ people/
>homo sapiens AND `users manual' in the title/subject.

It's called "The Book of the Subgenius", by J.R. "Bob" Dobbs.

gak

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Richard Stueven        gak@wrs.com         attmail!gakhaus!gak        107/H/3&4
          To sight it must ring clear as a bell, it must snap
          in the ear, feel pleasantly sticky between the fingers,
          smell fresh and tempting and taste heavenly.
From: bam@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Bruce A. Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou
Subject: Re: Ballot Access in Alaska?
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:16:35 GMT
Organization: (none)

In article <1992Sep18.115831.20149@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> gliesche@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jules D. Gliesche) writes:
>
>According to the Marrou / Lord campaign HQ -
>
>WE HAVE OFFICIALLY QUALIFIED FOR THE BALLOT IN ALL 50 STATES PLUS DC ...

Hooray!
(Really.)

Does that mean the state has dropped all appeals?
(Or just that we won in lower court, and there may be an appeal?)
More importantly, has Board of Elections agreed to print ballot with LP on them?

>... AND GUAM.

Guam???  Guam has no electoral votes!

Perhaps Guam runs a preference poll (to make their non-voters feel good
by participating in a "beauty contest").  But so does the University
of Oshkosh, which has as many electoral votes as Guam.

>
>I got the call last night at about 10:30 CDT. I suspect we'll still be
>ignored, although it'll be harder after this.

Yes.  But it removes one excuse the media (and the News Election Service,
and the Debate Commission) might have used to explain their LP blackout.

>Jules

Thaks for the info.

bam@bnl.gov (Bruce A. Martin)         BAM    [My opinions belong to me only,
Master of the Tripods of Hephaestus.  ~~~    and they represent no one else.]
# include discaimers.h+copyright.h    ~o~  Repeal the Sixteenth Amendment now!
# delete BUSHLIPS&&SlickWillie        /|\  Marrou/Lord in '92.  (800) 682-1776
Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.libertarian
From: backpack@access.digex.com (Stuart Reges)
Subject: More Marrou/Lord ad times
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:37:58 GMT

We bought more time for Marrou/Lord commercials on national Headline News for
next week, so I'll go ahead and post the tentative schedule for those spots
now.  I'm sorry that in my last posting I did not mention that all times are
EST.  Here's next week's "final schedule" (that might change at any moment):

	Day	Date	Time	 Cost
	-------------------------------
	Mon	10/5	 6:48	 215.00
			15:48	 110.00
			23:43	 150.00
	Tue	10/6	 9:49	 215.00
			13:49	 110.00
			24:19	 150.00
	Wed	10/7	 9:23	 215.00
			14:49	 110.00
			24:49	 150.00
	Thu	10/8	 9:23	 215.00
			11:19	 110.00
			 1:49	 150.00
	Fri	10/9	 7:19	 215.00
			12:49	 110.00
			23:53	 150.00
	Sat	10/10	 6:49	 285.00
			15:48	 250.00
			23:13	 150.00
	Sun	10/11	 7:53	 285.00
			13:18	 250.00
			 1:18	 150.00
				-------
		    Gross	3745.00
		    Net (85%)	3183.25

I've included costs this time to give people an idea of how that works out.
Normally ad time is bought through an agent who gets a 15% commission.  We have
no agent, so we end up getting the time at a net cost that is 85% of the gross
cost, as indicated above.

--Stuart
Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou
From: plucky@ais.org (Chris Adamson)
Subject: Re: How to get Marrou/Lord campaign stuff ?
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:04:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.190128.20974@techbook.com> szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.230405.8628@techbook.com> szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo) writes:
>
>>You can try e-mail at 345-5647@mcimail.com.
>>I just asked them if they have an on-line catalog; I'll let y'all know.
>
>Blech.  The address puked.  Is there a proper address for this?
>
	I wasn't aware that MCI Mail was internet-accessible.  I checked
on my America Online account and got the following info:

AOL> Users on MCI Mail have a ten-digit numeric address.  To send mail to
AOL> MCI Mail, send it to address@mcimail.com, where address is the
AOL> ten-digit number.
 
AOL> Internal MCI addresses are seven digits; add three zeros on the
AOL> LEFT to pad this out to ten digits.

[The above may well be copyrighted material of America Online, Inc.  I
think its quotation here would count as "fair use", i.e. small quotation
for academic purposes.  Please don't sue me!]

	So, perhaps a proper address is "0003455647@mcimail.com"??

	At any rate, the LP products order form also lists a Compu$erve
address, so I dashed my order off to "76177.2310@compuserve.com"  I'll
be sure to post again in case that bounces.

    ============================================================
   / Chris Adamson /        You didn't clap hard enough       /
  / Mich. St. U   /        and now Tinkerbell is DEAD!       /
 / "Media Arts"  /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/
/   MA student  / plucky2 [@aol.com], plucky@umcc.ais.org  /
===========================================================
Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou
From: szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo)
Subject: Re: How to get Marrou/Lord campaign stuff ?
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 220-0636
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:01:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.230405.8628@techbook.com> szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo) writes:

>You can try e-mail at 345-5647@mcimail.com.
>I just asked them if they have an on-line catalog; I'll let y'all know.

Blech.  The address puked.  Is there a proper address for this?


-- 
szabo@techbook.COM  	  Tuesday, November third  ##  Libertarian  $$  vote
Tuesday  ^^ Libertarian  --  change  **  choice && November 3rd @@Libertarian
From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou
Subject: Re: Japan, R&D
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 11:01:14 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1986kmINN6ks@armory.centerline.com>
  <1992Sep26.214528.25668@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
  <1992Sep28.113624.18115@techbook.com>

I recently learned the story of how Akio Morita, one of the founders of
Sony, first introduced transistors into consumer electronics.

In the early 1950s, Moritasan learned that AT&T was producing transistors
for use in hearing aids.  So he went out there to buy some for making
radios.  They told him, "Why would you wanna do *that*?  No, these
transistors are for hearing aids."  But he persisted.

Then he went to the Ministry for International Trade and Industry, to
get their approval.  They told him, "No, those transistors are for
hearing aids.  They're not for making radios.  Why would you wanna do
*that*?"

The rest is history, but the key thing is ignored:  Morita succeeded
IN SPITE of MITI.  Likewise, Soichiro Honda had to fight MITI every step
of the way; they insisted that he drop his plans to export cars to the
USA!

It is obscenely ironic that John Scully, president of the company that
was born when Steve Wozniak rebelled against the shortsightedness of
Hewlett-Packard management (a small, cheap desktop computer?  Why would
you wanna do that?) now supports Clinton's "industrial policy" (a
euphemism for corporate statism) which will create an American MITI
institutionalizing big-company myopia, only this time backed by the
guns of the State.


    Alan T. Furman         | VOTE LIBERTARIAN!!  Marrou/Lord in 92!!
---------------------------+----------------------------------------
  atfurman@cup.portal.sig  |   (800)682-1776 for more information
Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.libertarian
From: mporter@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Matthew D Porter)
Subject: "U." poll
Summary: poll results
Keywords: poll, college, students, marrou
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:40:39 GMT

Greetings,

     I just got my new copy of the "U." (the national college magazine) here at
Ohio State.  Here are the results of an (800) call-in unscientific poll 
conducted Aug 25 to Sept 15:

Q:  If the presidential election were held today, who would you vote for?

[In big blue bold boxes:]  Bush:     Clinton:
                            38%         49%

[In small type]
     Of the 390 calls from Aug. 25 to Sept. 15, 190 were for Clinton, 148 for 
Bush, 38 fir Libertarian Party's Andre Marrou [hurray!], 8 for Ross Perot and 6
for shock-jock Howard Stern [interesting]

(Then some quotes from students follow...here's a nice one...)

"I would vote for the Libertarian candidate Andre Marrou.  I believe that by 
voting either Democratic or Republican, one is saying that he or she is 
satisfied with the system."

---------
It's interesting how almost 10% support can be found (in this unscientific 
poll) in college students.  Without a doubt it is because we have not yet given
up on our country and because of the high volume of people with net access who 
can actually hear about the LP.

Happy voting,
-- 
 Matthew D Porter       (mporter@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)

     "Arrogance and Ignorance go in hand . . . "
          -Metallica (Holier Than Thou)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: Half-page Interview with Marrou in San
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:00:08 GMT

In article 14115@watson.ibm.com, larry@labrador.fishkill.ibm.com (Larry Pieniazek) writes:
>Is it just me, or does Andre come off sounding just a wee bit "fringe"??
>We dedicated [l,L]ibertarians know that what he's saying is true and
>is what needs to be done, but does it play in Peoria?

I don't know...I think what he said in the San Jose Mercury News will
play pretty well in San Jose.  I haven't heard/read his interviews from
other parts of the country, so I don't know if he tunes his messages
for his immediate audiences.  Anyone?

>`,` Democrat:    Give us your money. _We'll_ solve your problems. `,`
>`,` Republican:  Give us your money. We'll ignore your problems.  `,`
>`,` Libertarian: Keep your money. Solve your own problems.        `,`

Very true...but isn't it amazing how many people think one of the first
two options is the best?

---
Richard Stueven        gak@wrs.com         attmail!gakhaus!gak        107/H/3&4
          To sight it must ring clear as a bell, it must snap
          in the ear, feel pleasantly sticky between the fingers,
          smell fresh and tempting and taste heavenly.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.libertarian
From: backpack@access.digex.com (Stuart Reges)
Subject: Marrou/Lord ad times
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:27:13 GMT

I got the "final schedule" from CNN today that is actually quite tentative (as
I explained in a previous message).  I'm posting it here in case anyone is
interested.  The times might vary somewhat, but I expect that the ad will run
at most of the times listed below.

I'm listing the times exactly as I received them from CNN.  There is something
odd about them that I don't entirely understand, but I'll present my guess.
The third listing for each day tends to be odd.  For example, Wed's third
listing is for 24:49 (49 minutes after midnight?).  Thu's third entry is for
1:13, even though it appears after a Thu 14:53 slot.  My guess is that these
times are for the next day's early morning slot.  We are buying time for a time
slot 11pm-2am each day, and I suspect that they bill for whatever the date was
at 11pm, even if the commercial shows after midnight.  So I suspect that "Wed
24:49" actually means 49 minutes after midnight early Thu AM and "Thu 1:13"
actually means 1:13 early Fri AM.

I'm not bothering to list the Mon/Tue times, since those are already over.  I
have a tentative list for next week, and assuming we buy the time, I'll post
that schedule in a day or two.

Here's the list of current buys on national CNN Headline News for the 30-second
Marrou/Lord commercial:

	Wed	9/30	 7:13
			13:49
			24:49
	Thu	10/1	 8:43
			14:53
			 1:13
	Fri	10/2	 7:43
			15:23
			 1:53
	Sat	10/3	 8:19
			14:48
			 1:43
	Sun	10/4	 6:43
			12:43
			23:18

--Stuart
Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.libertarian
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: Help out!
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:55:17 GMT

In article 16580@cs.tulane.edu, tcws@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (Bill Sirinek) writes:
>If you want to learn how you can contribute money, or where you can go to volunteer for the campaign of who will be our country's next President:
>
>Bill Clinton !!

If it's already been determined that he's going to be the country's
next President, why should I contribute money to him or volunteer for
the campaign?

I just don't get this election stuff.

---
Richard Stueven        gak@wrs.com         attmail!gakhaus!gak        107/H/3&4

How can you be ignorant of something you didn't know in the first place?
                                                      - Choo
From: bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou
Subject: Re 1-800-BEND-OVER
Date: 30 Sep 1992 17:43:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Would you children mind moving your feud to somewhere where grownups
don't have to be disturbed by it?
Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.perot
From: emmett@kpc.com (Emmett Kilgariff)
Subject: Re: Varied: (Taxes, Knight & Perot) and this gro
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Corporation, Santa Clara, CA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:07:00 GMT

In article <Bv8KFw.9K0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mrl28033@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael R Linksvayer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep24.095123.10879@techbook.com> szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo) writes:
>>Yes, but many of Perot's supporters lean libertarian.  To whit:
>>
>>* Favor eliminating the deficit by cutting spending
>
>A recent editorial, in Forbes I believe, called Perot's
>plan a 'warmed over $300 billion tax increase.'
> 
	Isn't Forbes the magazine that was predicting a 
Trade surplus by the end of the year? Great magazine.



Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou
From: rab@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Bickford)
Subject: Re: How to get Marrou/Lord campaign stuff ?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:28:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.190128.20974@techbook.com>,
 szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.230405.8628@techbook.com>,
  szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo) writes:
>
>>You can try e-mail at 345-5647@mcimail.com.
>>I just asked them if they have an on-line catalog; I'll let y'all know.
>
>Blech.  The address puked.  Is there a proper address for this?
>
>
>-- 
>szabo@techbook.COM  	  Tuesday, November third  ##  Libertarian  $$  vote
>Tuesday  ^^ Libertarian  --  change  **  choice && November 3rd @@Libertarian 

The Marrou/Lord campaign can be reached at   75300.3114@compuserve.com
I have exchanged email with them using this address.

Note that this is one less than the Clinton/Gore campaign address!

--
        Robert Bickford                       rab@well.sf.ca.us
 Vice-Chair, Libertarian Party    /-------------------------------------\
      of Marin County (CA)        | Don't Blame Me: I Voted Libertarian |
                                  \-------------------------------------/
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From: josh@foglet.rutgers.edu (J Storrs Hall)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.libertarian
Subject: Read my lips:
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:36:25 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.marrou
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

"You are in a maze of twisty little promises, all alike."
--JoSH
From: JBF101@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.europe.misc
Subject: Re: Maastricht in France plus National Front
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:12:43 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

1) The Front National (FN) Party pulls about 13% to 15% of the vote in France.
Its strongest area of support is in Marseille, a city in the southeast on the
Mediterranean coast, where it pulls at least 20% of the vote.  Yes, le Pen's
support base has grown over the last five years, as the French have grown in-
creasingly wary of the Maghrebin population immigrating to their country.

2) A 70% voter turnout is normal for French elections.

--Doug Hayes
grad French student,
Penn State
From: rudyw@Ingres.COM (Rudy Walter)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.europe.misc
Subject: Maastricht in France plus National Front
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:04:06 GMT
Reply-To: rudyw@Ingres.COM (Rudy Walter)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501

Could someone who follows the French political scene give me some facts
and figures on the following:

 1) What was the percentage of voter support for Jean-Marie LePenn's
    National Front party five years ago, and how has that percentage
    changed over the last five years?

 2) The turnout for the vote on the Maastricht Treaty in France was
    reported as approximately 70%. Is this high, low, or about the
    usual for a French election?

Thanks, Rudy Walter