From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: Why are many low-income women fat? (was Re: Separate but Equal?)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:27:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.004406.27226@microsoft.com> jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes:
>In article <1992Dec13.013327.1975@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec12.170030.3345@midway.uchicago.edu> mec6@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>I just hate to see the misconception that "fat" and "fit" are 
>>>non-intersecting sets. 
>>
>>How about the misconception that fat people are healthy? Most fat people
>>that I have known have plenty of problems, their feet always hurt, they seem
>>to catch every cold that goes around, some have back problems, etc...
>
>Most thin people I know have plenty of problems, their feet hurt, they seem
>to catch every cold that goes around, some have back problems, etc...

"Most"? I bet that there are no statistics that back this claim. Or more
to the point, more over-fat people have health problems than those that
are not over-fat.
 
>It is a LIE that fat people are bad, that fat people are ill, that fat
>people are sick, that fat people can't be fit, that fat people's lives
>would be perfect if they were thin. 

So stop spreading obnoxious lies. These are ALL subjects of your invention
BTW, except one. 

I do state that over-fat people are not fit however. One of the major
results of getting out of shape is getting fat. You get it, cause -
lack of fitness, result - body stops burning fats, and starts accumulating
said fats, eventually their is no more room for fats in the muscles and
they start spilling out into the space between the skin and muscles.
Associated illnesses include diabetes (Type I controllable by DIET alone).

As for the rest, well, to some extent, you get from life what you put
into it. Those who blame others for their problems instead of seeking 
solutions are not characteristically happy. 

>                                       Of course, these LIES generate lots
>of money for the diet industry. Anorexia and bulimia? Better than being fat.

You have your own private agenda, I can see that. Does it even matter what
I say or do not say? Like rini, it seems you take the childish position that
anyone who you do not agree with, or who does not agree with you must be
lying. I can only suggest that, in this regard, you need to grow up.
 
>My feet don't hurt because I live in Reeboks. My lower back hurts when
>I have my period. Doesn't hurt if I don't.  My shoulders have hurt ever
>since I developed breasts if I wear ill-fitting bras - fat or thin. 
>
>>Perhaps you are confusing 'fat' and 'healthy'. Not all fat people are
>>unhealthy, but a greater percentage than normal are.
>
>Perhaps you are confusing 'fat' with 'shit'. Many people in this culture
>do. But just because a prejudice exists doesn't mean you have to buy into
>it. Furthermore, perhaps you are confusing 'fit' with 'thin'.

I can see that you have gone completely non-rational, and no discussion is
possible. You show your own prejudices here as well.
 
>>BTW, by fat, I do not mean overweight by some printed scale, but that they 
>>have a layer of extramuscular fat. Many overweight (by some scale) people have
>>little or no fat. I imagine by the same scales, Arnold S (Terminator) is 
>>overweight. Muscle weighs more than fat you know.
>
>BTW, by fat, I don't mean bad. 

-You- are the only one to bring this up.

>                                   I do mean a person who like most of 
>their genetic relatives & ancestors is fat, or a person who overeats,
>or a person who has a medical condition that results in weight gain,
>or a person who is sedetary. Note that those are "or", not necessarily
>"and".

If there was any point to answering these, I would try. But as long as you
are talking 'shit', there is no point to it.
 
>>Perhaps you should define what you are talking about?
>
>Perhaps you should think about your bigotry.

There is no resolution in a religious argument with a fanatic.
 
>-jen

Rich

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