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Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 1992 10:45:26 EDT
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From:         "Matthew Simpson" <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Freud Bashing

On Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:40:00 EDT <MCARTER@BENTLEY> said:
>In one way or another, all models of psychology seem to be spin-offs
>from Freud.
>
I had never thought about this before.  I find it interesting that
the radical behavioral model of psychology could be seen as a spin-
off from Freud.  Yet alone, I am unable to make it seem so.
How is radical behaviorism a spin-off from Freud?

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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 12:57:13 -0400
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From:         "Kenneth V. White" <kwhite@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      Multiple personalities...

There was a study in the early '90s trying to empirically support the
idea that multiple personality is a syndrome in which the person has
no control (i.e., that they're not 'faking' the various dissociations,
or that such roles were beyond the conscious control of patients, etc.).
The investigators used EEGs on a small group of MPs compared to normals
and did, indeed, find that there were different activity patterns in
the MPs associated with specific 'personalities' being expressed.

However, within a year or two of that data being published, other investigators
trained a group of volunteers to actively play act different roles,
and the results were identical to the clinically diagnosed MPs.  In fact,
pro electroencephalographers were unable to distinguish between the
actors 'faking it' and the MPs.

I'm looking through my old class notes to get you guys the reference,
but if anyone else has them, please feel free.

Personally, I'm skeptical about the whole thing, not so much because of
the data either way, but more because of the hype in the American talk
show circuit.  There was a time, I am told, that MP was considered a
fairly rare syndrome.  Now, though, there are actually several 'bestseller'
books along the line of, "Coping with your MP diagnosis."

My empirical ears are all yours, folks.  Convince me one way or the other!

-Kenn in College Park
kwhite@wam.umd.edu
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On Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:55:51 EDT INAT000 said:
> Anyway, I am in
>the search for psychotherapy tapes for research purposes. I want
>to examine (listen, rate, evaluate, etc) real, complete psychotherapy,
>counselling, assessment individual sessions conducted by either ordinary
>clinicians, or by big deals in the field. Do you know where can I locate
>some? Do you know anyone who tapes his/her sessions and would be
>interested to share one (or more) with me? I mean we can take care
>of the ethical and legal aspects of it and do it carefully, ethically
>and legally. Do you have any ideas? Any of the subscribers?

I think that the writer of this message might have been influenced
by one of the best psychotherapy researchers, Al Mahrer.  He listens
to psychotherapy tapes and takes notes on how to do better psychotherapy.
I also would like to recieve, exchange tapes of people doing psychotherapy.
It need not be tapes of sessions with paying clients.  I'm interested
in getting access to tapes of other people doing psychotherapy in any
context (as long as it is individual psychotherapy).

Maybe we could set up a psychotherapy tape exchange program.

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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 1992 09:21:00 EDT
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From:         "David M. Fresco" <FRESCO@UNC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: behaviorism and clinical psychology

Tim and Mike,
The recent posts on this topic have made it to me in a very scrambled
order.  So, I'm not sure of their precise sequence.  Tim, I'm trying to
understand your point about incremental vs. structural, but I'm having
trouble appreciating the distinction you are drawing.  I look forward to
hearing more about it.
Dave
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 11:32:46 EDT
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From:         Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: behaviorism and clinical psychology

   Dave,
   I don't know how well I can make this distinction clear; there are
far better explanations than my own.  I really recommend the 2nd or 3rd
chapter of Loevinger's Ego Development, written by her co-author, in
discussing structural theory.
   I guess one fairly solid example is Piaget's discoverythat kids don't
just learn more and more, but that at certain points there are qualitative
shifts in the way they think.  That is, you don't just learn more
multiplication tables or capitals of countries (incremental differences)
but change in the way you conceive of such things as conservation
(structural differences).
   Loevinger wrote that the ego, or the process of making the world
coherent, doesn't just change incrementally, but that there are stages
of development, each representing a qualitative shift in the way it
attains coherency.
   Behavioral theory is essentially incremental. Increase the number of
this and you change the number of that. More pleasure behaviors result
in less dysphoric behaviors. On the other hand, dynamic, systems,
Sullivanian, Piagetian, Gestalt (perhaps?), interpersonal, etc.
theories look for a shift in the structure of the elements rather
than just a change of the elements themselves.
   An incremental shift in the famous first four notes of Beethoven's
Fifth would increase their frequency, but the structure remains the
same and recognizable; a structural shift might or might not keep the
same notes but change their structure so that it won't be the same tune.
   I saw Loevinger at APA and was quite impressed with her for this
reason: Someone asked her how one advances from one stage to another
and she replied, without a moment's hesitation "I don't know." Someone
pressed her just to take a guess and she immediately said the same thing.
It would be tempting to speculate about this process, but the fact is that
psychotherapy tries its darndest to help people make those structural
shifts and we can't really control it; some people just get that insight
or feel that difference-even-though-nothing's-changed and other people
don't.  Behavioral theory means you can control the elements and it feels
less frustrating and more comfortable, especially for the therapist.
   I've had a number of patients say that things are very different and
they don't know why and it bothers them; I sympathize.
Tim
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Subject: anacdote: clinical esp
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:39:15 GMT
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To go along with the misconception accounts, here is a story that
happened yesterday.

I was walking down the hall of my building, on my way downtown to
run some errands, and was joined by two guys from Ken Campbell's
lab.  They appeared to be on their way somewhere.  It was about
4:00 in the afternoon.  I said, "taking a break from all that
evoked cortical potential toil and labor you guys do in hard days
work?"

They said, "Oh, we just have to go and, uh, get something."

Let me insert a little aside right about here.  Ken has this running
debate against all clinical people and their type.  It's fuel for
alot of drunken debate on which is more important, clinical or
experimental.  His students, jumping on the bandwagon, usually
join in the heckling any innocent clinical student clinical student
who happens to be standing around during a session of harranging.
I like this and usually roll up my sleeves to join in the fun.
By the way, I take the clinical side.

Now every now and then, they hit the local bar in the mid-afternoon to
drink beer.  Knowing this, I decided to tease them a bit.  "I thought
all you people did in that lab was drink beer!"  They laughed and
I laughed.  But, they seem to be almost about to say something.  There
was a bit of uneasiness after what I had said.  This was a little
different from the usual counter attack.

We were walking in the same direction yet not talking for an oddly
long moment.  Then finally one of them asked, "where are you going?"

"I'm going to go drink beer!"  I answered.

"Really?!?"  they seemed surprised.

"Well, actually I have to go and run some errands, but there might be
a chance that I go down to The Blue Cactus to join Monika's lab.  They
are taking her out for a drink.  Tomorrow's her birthday."

Then they laughed and explained that they were freaking out because
they really WERE going out for a beer.  They couldn't understand
why or how I might know this.  I knew that I had just luckily
happened to combine coincidence, probability, and the randomness
of a joke.  There was no extra sensory perception about it.

I called back to them as I was walking away, "Of course!  That's
because I'm clinical!"  They were left rooted in their footsteps
laughing.

I guess you had to be there.

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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:43:05 HST
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From:         Denise Lajoie <DLAJOIE@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Teaching and E-mail

Hi Folks,
   I have to do a presentation on teaching and Electronic Mail.   I taught a
course this spring whiwch was presented on "interactive TV."  I used E-mail
to communicate with the outer island students (in lieu of office hours,
etc.).  Would any of you care to share some of the benefits you feel are
available for teachers and students using E-mail?  I won't quote you unless I
get your permission.
     What I'm looking for is feedback from any of you who have taught a class
or had interactions with students on E-mail.  How did they benefit your
teaching?  Your students?  What are the possibilities and potentials?  For
instance, this issue of the APA Monitor has a letter to the editor about
getting PhD's electronically!  Why not?
     I want to bring up some controvertial issues as well as some very
basically beneficial ones.  Your input is very appreciated.

Aloha, Denise

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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 09:33:20 EDT
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From:         "Matthew Simpson" <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      figuring people out

In response to "So, I guess you're trying to figure me out right now"...

I find this question in casual conversation.  Many times it is at a
cocktail party or some other festive social situation.  I've taken the
attitude that people are just looking for a good topic of conversation.
Here are some zingers that might the topic fun.

Please insert a "ha ha ha :-) " after every statement.
1.  Don't worry.  You're secret's safe with me.
2.  Just wait till you get my bill.
3.  Well, we've done a lot of work for this week.  You're hour's almost up.
4.  Are you kidding?  You couldn't afford my rates.
5.  You think so?  (German accent)  Zo, exactly how long have you been
    suspicious of other people figuring you out?
6.  Are you kidding?  I can't do that.  You haven't told me about your
    childhood yet!
7.  Me figure you out??  Oh!  I thought YOU were trying to figure ME out! :)
8.  Too late.
9.  Whoa, not now.  I never drink and think at the same time.
10. I never really had a mind for figures.

Okay.  Bad jokes, I know.  But this is how I have fun.  NOT at other's
expense.  I just make a joke that everyone can join in on.

Have fun!

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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:27:00 EDT
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From:         DANSECO@UMBC.BITNET
Subject:      Introduction

        I have signed up for this list about five months ago, but have
managed to squeeze in some time only now to do my formal introduction to
this list.
        I am a doctoral student at the University of Maryland Baltimore
County in applied developmental psychology.  My special interests are
in cognitive delays, mental retardation and the like, specifically the
adaptation of families to their mentally disabled child.  Another
interest is in cultural aspects of human development.
        I am from the Philippines, and came here to the U.S. through a
Fulbright scholarship at the George Washington University.  I graduated
there two years ago (M.A. in developmental psych).  I was on my way back
to the Philippines, shipped all my stuff, and then decided to party....
where I met my husband (of two years now!), who is also a graduate student
sponsored by the Fulbright, from Costa Rica.  He is studying sociology
at the American University in Washington, D.C. (yes, I commute from
Washington to Baltimore, which is why I have little time).  His field
is in macrosociology (i.e., considers a lot of macro factors such as
world systems in economic and political development).

        I suppose I should be able to speak from some kind of "experience"
what the distinctions between social psych and sociology are...but I'm
afraid I'm not that conversant with both fields.  From my limited
vantage point (being married to a sociologist), I can only say that I have
belatedly recognized the broad areas of inquiry in sociology.  Enrique, my
husband, is in a department that puts heavy emphasis on Marxist and
socialist thought; another strength in their department is woemn's studies
....I guess these areas might fall more into the non-overlapping areas
between social psych and sociology although women's studies (gender-related
issues) might very well be a common field of research.  As the others
have cited before, a difference may be in the methodologies employed, as well
as the kinds of factors that might be considered relevant in the context
of gender issues.

        -Evangeline at Baltimore
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From: DIENES@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Bruce Dienes)
Subject: Re: Snapshots (references)
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:47:38 GMT

In article <16182.9209301255@mail.soton.ac.uk>
"O.S.Cronin" <O.S.Cronin@SOUTHAMPTON.AC.UK> writes:
 
>
>Hello all! Yet another banal note clogging up your mailboxes!  I'm a first year
>phd student at the University of Southampton, UK.  I'm going to be working on
>family photographs - and no, I can't be any more specific than that just yet!
>If anyone is aware of anyone researching in this area, or has read anything
>scintillating (or otherwise) on the subject of family albums, or has  invented
>a funky new methodology, or is a guru in an old one, or just wants to have a
>chat (sorry, read "intellectual discussion") about photos in general, please
>get in touch!
>Orla Cronin
 
How about:
Richard Chalfen, SNAPSHOT VERSIONS OF LIFE (Bowling Green State University
  Popular Press, 1987)
Michael Lesy, VISIBLE LIGHT: FOUR CREATIVE BIOGRAPHIES (Times Books, 1985)
Michael Lesy, TIME FRAMES: THE MEANING OF FAMILY PICTURES (Pantheon, 1980)
Julia Hirsch, FAMILY PHOTOGRAPHS: CONTEXT, MEANING AND EFFECT (Oxford
  University Press, 1981)
Vivienne Browning, MY BROWNING FAMILY ALBUM (Springwood Books, 1979)
 
Also, there is a chapter of "Family Photography" in Halla Belloff's
CAMERA CULTURE (Basil Blackwell, 1985), and one on "You Press the Button:
Snapshots and Photography for All" in Peter Turner's HISTORY OF PHOTOGRAPHY
(Exeter Books, 1987)
 
 
Chalfen is the most comprehensive single source.  Provides footnote
references to related books and periodical articles.
 
Lesy not only comments on the photos people have taken but gets them to
tell him what they mean to them.
 
Hirsch provides a historical overview of the home use of photographic
self-representation
 
That should get you started!
By the way, I would be interested in a more detailed description of your
proposal. You could mail me directly at bdienes@psych.uiuc.edu if you don't
wish to clog up the list with long postings.
 
Good luck!
 
Bruce
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 09:47:50 BST
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From:         "(Julie Marie Williams)" <jmw1@ST-ANDREWS.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: MESSAGE FOR TIM TUMLIN

I can't resist...
Is there a liason between Tim and Stephanie that we don't all know about??!!
Or is the network evolving into a clothes-swapping system...or a bring-and-
buy sale??

Intrigued....
Julie
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From:         "(Eric Zorrilla)" <zorrilla@CATTELL.PSYCH.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: criminal psych?
              Sep 30, 92 10:17 am

While we're mentioning schools with joint JD/PhD programs, I thought I'd
add the ones that I'm aware of.

Villanova (Law part)/Hannehman (Psych part)
Columbia

Eric
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:06:50 EDT
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From:         "(Rick Adams)" <adamsr@AIS.ORG>
Subject:      Re: criminal psych?
              92 5:13 pm

=>       A young lady in my stats lab was asking me where she might find
=> a graduate program in "criminal psychology."  After we talked for a
=> while, we narrowed it down to "a study of criminal behavior."
=>       She (and i) have two questions. Does such a sub-specialty exist
=> in the realm of psychology or what come closest?  and  Is there a
=> university that offers a g-program in it?
=>       Our own university, Virginia Commonwealth U. offers a criminal
=> justice course or two, but that's more directed towards policework.
=>
=> Can anyone respond to these questions?

	I'm currently pursuing a dual concentration in Psychology and
Criminal Justice (I also received a dual Bachelor's in those areas), so it
very definately =is= possible.

	Your friend has two choices; she can enroll at an institution such
as Michigan State University which has very strong CJ & Psych departments
and encourages cross-disciplinary concentrations, or she can enroll in an
institution which is based on the Oxford model and design her own program.
The second approach is more difficult, but it provides a more solid
framework for future work, while the first approach provides more of a
generalist's perspective.

	I've done a great deal of work in the area of forensic
psychopathology, and I did a rather detailed (15 credit) study of the
psychopath (Antisocial Personality Disorder for the purists). Currently my
focus is on sex offenders. If I can be of any help, or provide any resources
for your friend let me know.

	Rick


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