HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Re: BILL CLINTON ON ISRAEL AND THE MIDDLE
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 20:57:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.135804.2910@rs.com> horen@rs.com writes:
>In article 17941@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM, nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>>>Then overthrow Hussein and take back eastern Palestine.
>>
>>All this sarcasm is not going to make any difference. Let us wait and see what 
>>the future will bring. Remember that you cannot rule by the sword forever.
>                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Nor by the knife, pistol, plastique, car bomb, etc.
 
Nor by an Uzi or by a cluster bomb my friend.


-- 
Nabil Idriss                           |       FOR EVERY ACTION AN OPPOSITE  
NCR - Midrange Products Division       |       AND EQUAL REACTION.
      Columbia, South Carolina         |      
email: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM |
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay)
Subject: Re: Lehi and nazies
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:28:41 GMT

hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes:

>In article <1992Aug18.231549.23340@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
>bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein) writes:
>|>In a previous article, hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker) says:
>|>
>|>>Shamirs actions in offering to aid the NAZIs who were busy perfecting
>|>>methods of murdering Jews is hardly consistent with the goal of "saving
>|>>Jewish lives". It is however entirely consistent with the theory that
>|>>Shamir was only interested in forming a dictatorial state with himself
>|>>as leader. 
>|>
>|>Let's get real here.  Shamir wasn't offering aid;  he was trying to deal
>|>with them in order to save Jewish lives.  There's a significant difference,
>|>which you are totally ignoring.

>Shamir *was* offering aid. The document deals exclusively with a pact between
>LEHI and the NAZIs. It does not make any reference whatsoever to emigration.

Sigh.  I just flamed Alan Stein for arguing about a document he appears
to have never read and now you are doing the same.  Of course it
mentions immigration.  Frankly, with the exception of one person I think 
the tpm debate on this matter is about the most ignorant for ages.

Give me a few days and I'll post it.  Am I the only tpm poster
who knows where the library is?

Brendan.
From: aboelaze@cs.yorku.ca (Mokhtar Aboelaze)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Muslims killed in Yeguslavia
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:15:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: yetti.1411
Organization: York University, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <Bt6pLM.IDD@apollo.hp.com> goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman) writes:

>    Mr. Aboelaze,
>
>    My postings were based on information provided by a general who was
>    the commander the UN peacekeeping forces in Bosnia.  The general
>    made his statements while appearing on McNeil-Lehrer News Hour,
>    one of the most respected news program watched by millions of
>    people in this country and around the world.
>
Wait a minute here, you said 
                                                                       
      Chances are, the grenades were launched from the Muslim-controlled
      territory.  One thing is certain - the only beneficiary of the
      attack was the Bosnian Muslim war propaganda machine.


DID THE GENERAL SAY THIS ? If he did, I appologize about calling you sick.
if he didn't, or if he said that both parties are responsible for the fighting
and you take it as Muslims killing their fellow Muslims for the
sake of "Bosnian Muslim war propaganda machine", then I stand by my claim.
>
>    Alex
>
>    BTW, the general also repeatedly said that the best way to
>    bring about peace in Bosnia was to put pressure on the Bosnian
>    goverment who was refusing to negotiate with the Serbs in hope
>    that the West would intervene militarily.  Hard to believe?
>    Check the transcript!
>
The General said this, so what ? does this make it true
just because the General said it


                                                                          
What was the name of the Britich Prime Minister, the one before
Churchil, who said that the best way to deal with Hitler is to
be appease him, see what good did this do the world.
                                                                          
                                                                 
--Mokhtar Aboelaze
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Lehi and nazies
Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: DESY ZEUS Central Data Acquisition
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:47:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.221202.22829@bony1.bony.com>, jake@bony1.bony.com
(Jake Livni) writes:
|>In article <1992Aug11.152038.1571@dscomsf.desy.de> hallam@zwsclu.
|>writes:
|>>In article <4428@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, rdtst+@pitt.edu (Richard D
|>>Thorne) writes:
|>
|>>The end of defeating the NAZI's in Europe is commonly thought to
|>have
|>>justified a war which cost 60 million lives. 
|>>
|>>It is the pro-Shamir view that holds that their ends justified a
|>pact
|>>with the NAZIs.
|>
|>Seeing as Shamir wasn't leading Britain at the time and wasn't even
|>leading any government, his concentration on saving Jewish lives,
|>instead of the larger goal of ending the war, is understandable.
|>You do what you can, not what you can't.

Shamirs actions in offering to aid the NAZIs who were busy perfecting
methods of murdering Jews is hardly consistent with the goal of "saving
Jewish lives". It is however entirely consistent with the theory that
Shamir was only interested in forming a dictatorial state with himself
as leader. 

|>>|> You'll have to explain
|>>|>   what the British risked by honoring the terms of their Mandate to
|>>|>   establish a Jewish Homeland.
|>>
|>>The Axis powers were eventualy defeated by denying them material, in
|>>particular oil. Nobody was prepared to risk any possibility of opening
|>>up another front by resettling a group of people making claims to own
|>>the whole area.
|>
|>The British weren't asked to resettle "a group of people making claims 
|>to own the whole area."  By the time of independence in 1948, Israel
|>was only a tiny fraction of Palestine.  The British WERE asked to
|>allow these Jews to evacuate to safety from the Nazis.  This they did
|>not do.  Millions died, perhaps needlessly.  

The policies of the Chamberlain Government are not at issue it was the
Churchill government that Shamir was fighting, a government formed by a
man who had opposed Hitler from the outset. You will have to demonstrate
cases after May 1940 in which the British were preventing evacuation of
refugees whose sole concern was fleeing from the NAZIs. You will also
have to show that Shamir's attempts to support the NAZIs would have
assisted this.

At best the least you must accept is that shamir was guilty of a
monstrous misjudgement. People who make monstrous misjudgements are not
suitable to be heads of government, and those that tried to assist the
NAZIs don't make good figure-heads of government either.

Phill Hallam-Baker
From: rwerman@vms.huji.ac.il (ROBERT WERMAN)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Dr. Arens Finds the Ultimate Ad Hominem Argument.  Congratulations!
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:15:56 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem



Dr. Yigal Arens <arens@ISI.EDU> in message <22177@venera.isi.edu> writes:

[quoting me:]

>> If I were Dr. Arens, who is well versed in ad hominem arguments, and
>> reverts to them whenever he begins to flail about in deep waters, I
>> might have a ready answer.

[He replies:]

>It's good to see that you have your own repertoire of ad hominem
>arguments at your disposal.

***********************

Here we see the ultimate in ad homina.  Dr. Arens finds that my
catching him up in the use of ad hominem arguments is an example
of an ad hominem argument.  

Amazing bit of debater's legerdemain, I must admit.  By this 
reasoning, it would not be possible to point out a defect in
any one else without showing a defect in the very act of
exposure.

If I am already accused of ad hominem arguments, allow me to
suggest that in addition to never being able to see anything
positive in any Israeli action, Dr. Arens seems unable to see
any defect in his own actions.


__Bob Werman    rwerman@hujivms.bitnet    rwerman@vms.huji.ac.il
Jerusalem
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Recent statistics
From: dcs@witsend.tnet.com (D. C. Sessions)
Date: 16 Aug 92 05:57:48 GMT
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.03

After a recent reduction, the mutlu autoposter is back.  Just in the
last 30 hours 73 out of 132 messages on t.p.me are crossposted to
soc.culture.turkish, a strong indicator of mutluism (though
not a sure test, I admit.)

I wonder if a killfile could be set up to bounce back the mutloid
postings to the postmasters on the path?  (No longer an option for
me, since I'm using a completely different news interface for DOS
machines.)

---
--- D. C. Sessions                            Speaking for myself ---
--- Note new network address:                    dcs@witsend.uucp ---
--- And if that doesn't work:                dcs@witsend.tnet.com ---
--- There never was any correspondence between my views and SCI's ---
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Israel Sends Help to Refugees in Former Yugoslavia
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:28:39 GMT

From today's Israel line
------------------------
 
Peres on Yugoslavian Aid: We are on the Side of the Victims
 
Today's AL HAMISHMAR covered Foreign Minister Peres' support of IDF
participation in a group of military observers in Yugoslavia
operating under the aegis of the United Nations. In a discussion
with army journalists yesterday, Peres said that until now, Israel
had not been asked to send military aid to Sarajevo. "They asked us
to contribute Israeli army observers to the team of U.N. observers
in Sarajevo, and in my opinion we must answer this call."  It was
agreed yesterday that an Israeli Air Force transport plane will
airlift 15 tons of food and medicine to Yugoslavia. "Our aid is
waiting for approval to be transported. Three forces in Yugoslavia
are armed and we are on the side of the victims." 
 
 
-Danny Keren.
From: oueichek@ngulu (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: 'Zap*' Of IBM
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:58:36 GMT
Organization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis) writes:
: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
: 
: ><Bsu5r6.89r@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
: >ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
: 
: >>Zaphiris Christidis writes:
: >>>"The smart bird gets caught by the beak". The only difference
: >>>is that we are not talking about a smart person, but an idiot....
: 
: >> Lots of idiots ...
: 
: >Darn. 'Tamtam' machine is down again. By the way, your criminal 'IBM-clown'
: >has already demonstrated ample willingness to put his foot where his mouth 
: >his (repeatedly so). Besides, his crimes will not go unpunished.
: 
: >Now, any comment?
: 
:  Comment? Of course !
: 
:  As I said, lots of idiots. So, who is the idiot answering to me?
:  Is this mutlu, or just one of his asshole fellows who is using his
:  accounts?
: 
:  And, something else. You've slowed down a little lately. You've left
:  many postings unanswered. I guess, Turks don't work hard in the summer ...

  SLOWED DOWN ?. I've notice an "impluse" in "his?" activity these last days.
  I've counted 64 articles out of 180 tpm articles that my site keeps. The
  last 'Mutlu' is a news record: 23 posts at once, if i was "his?" employer
  i would really wonder how can "he?" manage to do his job. And "he?" is 
  extending "his?" activities to some new groups now.
: 
:  On a second thought, mutlu's job isn't that hard. THEY just chose
:  some articles, drop three-four meaningless lines, and then $#&!;% on
:  the network with THEIR crap. This isn't tough, since THEY are not 
:  actually answering the original article.
: 
: >Hasan B-) Mutlu
: 
: 
: ---> Panos Tamamidis
: ^^^^^---------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: ^ Attention !!!!!!!  Be aware of the following new viruses:            ^
: ^ Konecni     virus: Similar symptoms with Mutlu virus                 ^
: ^ Sommarskong virus: Doesn't do anything, but you can't get rid of it  ^
: ^ Shopov      virus: Repeats himself, and at the end says "No Regards" ^
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

--
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    Ya jamal(al) majd(i) fi(l) kutub(i) | LABORATOIRE 	BULL-IMAG
Kablak(i) (t)tareekh(u) fi thulmaten    | Grenoble. 
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Xref: sparky talk.politics.mideast:18626 soc.culture.jewish:14267
From: goer@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Advertising on the Net - NOTES FROM A SEALED ROOM
Keywords: Persian Gulf War
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:16:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Aug14.191647.18772
Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>
>>>Although I am reluctant to advertise, and particularly to
>>>advertise myself on the net...
>
>>I guess if you act obsequious and apologetic enough, it's okay
>>to perpetrate an egregous violation of netiquette.
>
>Seems like Richard was able to manage worse even without having
>anything to advertise.

Punch and run, eh?  Insult the insulter, and pretend to remain
clean?  There's an issue here that's quickly going to get lost
in a mist of your "clever" invective.

-- 

   -Richard L. Goerwitz              goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet
   goer@midway.uchicago.edu          rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer
Xref: sparky talk.politics.mideast:18756 talk.politics.soviet:7080 soc.culture.greek:7665 soc.culture.europe:7445
From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Where Does 'Tam*'s Ignorance Stem From? Greek Anti-Semitism.
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:37:11 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <Bsvwxn.I1J@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:

[..]

> Yo, jerks. Got offended when I wrote that Turks don't work hard in the
> summer?  Afraid that next months paycheck from Turkey won't arrive?

> Come on creeps. Still have many mails unanswered.  Move your asses
> and work harder.


I wonder how other Greeks netters feel with such a racist languge directed to
the entire Turkish nation. 

Kutluk
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein)
Subject: Re: Israeli Loan Guarantees
Reply-To: bx573@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alan H. Stein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 21:00:33 GMT


In a previous article, aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) says:

>I didn't see any postings in regard to Bush's latest ploy to
>obtain popular support - guaranteeing the $10 billion to
>Israel solely on Rabin's word of freezing settlement activity.

Except that Rabin has made it clear that he is not freezing settlement
activity, merely changing priorities--wisely, I might add.

>Wasn't it made even sweeter with Rabin's gesture of inviting
>the PLO to the peace talks?

And Rabin also made no such foolish gesture to the PLO terrorists.

>Do posters here really believe that Bush is anti-semitic now
>and are they understanding the reality of politics and its
>cycle?

It's unclear as to whether Bush is actually anti-semitic, or simply
uncaring as well as unenamored of Yitchak Shamir's personality.  Neither
alternative interpretation is to his credit.
-- 
bx573@cleveland.freenet.edu----Alan H. Stein----stein@uconnvm.uconn.edu
Xref: sparky talk.politics.mideast:18555 soc.culture.jewish:14207
From: goer@ellis.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Advertising on the Net - NOTES FROM A SEALED ROOM
Keywords: Persian Gulf War
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:02:42 GMT
Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

rwerman@vms.huji.ac.il (ROBERT WERMAN) writes:
>
>Although I am reluctant to advertise, and particularly to
>advertise myself on the net...

I guess if you act obsequious and apologetic enough, it's okay
to perpetrate an egregous violation of netiquette.

-- 

   -Richard L. Goerwitz              goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet
   goer@midway.uchicago.edu          rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Israeli Loan Guarantees
From: dcs@witsend.tnet.com (D. C. Sessions)
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:23:09 GMT
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.03

In <3568@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>, aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)  wrote:
# Do posters here really believe that Bush is anti-semitic now
# and are they understanding the reality of politics and its
# cycle?

  That would imply that he believes in something, wouldn't it?
---
--- D. C. Sessions                            Speaking for myself ---
--- Note new network address:                    dcs@witsend.uucp ---
--- And if that doesn't work:                dcs@witsend.tnet.com ---
--- There never was any correspondence between my views and SCI's ---
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Lehi and nazies
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:13:13 GMT

In article <4857@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, rdtst+@pitt.edu (Richard D Thorne)
writes:

|>| Just remind us again where and when Krystallnacht took place. How
|>perceptive
|>| do you have to be to figure out in 1941 that the  Nazis were Baddies? How
|>| much of a hypocrite do you have to be to defend LEHI?
|>| 
|>| --
|>| -Jeremy Henderson            |  Anisotropic
|>| 
|>
|>   Just remind us again who was sitting idly allowing Palestinian Arabs
|>  murder Yeshiva students in Hebron.  How much of a hypocrite do you have to
|>  be to defend the British?  How many refugees from Yugoslavia are the
|>  British taking in?  If the world closes off any escape route for these
|>  victims what will happen to them?  Answer: the same thing that happened
|>  to the Jews closed in WWII.  You are all to willing to accuse LEHI without
|>  even beginning to accept responsibility for the greater wrongs committed by
|>  the British.

Could I point out that there is a difference between the British people and the
British government? The majority of the British people voted against John
Major's government. I do not condone the racism and Xenophobia of the Tory party
which lies behind these policies.

Governments and individuals commit crimes, not whole peoples. This talk of the
"wrongs committed by the British" is simple racism.


--

Phill Hallam-Baker
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Israel: Chutzpah at the Negotiating Table
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:11:06 GMT
Distribution: na

Adam Shostack writes

+ Meet in the region, Cairo or Tel-Aviv should both be acceptable sites
+ to all parties.  Why are middle East peace talks taking place in
+ Washington?  Parties should negotiate with each other, not via Baker.

Because nobody can agree on a place to meet that's acceptable to *all*
the participants and still be in the MidEast??

K'Char
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: You'll be glad to hear...
Date: 16 Aug 92 00:14:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


My replies to Mr Mutlu's latest set of lies and misinformation have been
posted to S.C.GREEK and S.C.TURKISH only. If you would like to read
them, please look there (please do!).

I have attempted this in the past, and inevitably Mr Mutlu responds by
cross-posting mis-represented and mutlulated quotes from my messages to
newsgroups whose readers never had a chance to read my complete
messages. I will give it another try, this time explicitly calling Mr
Mutlu to do the same. Let's see if it works.

This cross-posting nonsence has gome too far. My message downloads are
200% the size that they are supposed to be, because of this needless
duplication.

Michael.
 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Kill Saddam
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:52:24 GMT
Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Organization: University of Keele, England

From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)

Once again we have the blame for Saddam Hussein's murder of hundreds of
housands of his own citizens shifted to the UN coalition.  Yet hidden 
away in a deep recess of this diatribe is the following *FACT*:

   In the name of democracy, and the fight against the dictator 
    Saddam Hussein, over 200,000 Iraqis were directly annihilated. 

Let's spell this out for everyone:   Children are dying in Iraq because the 
a'athists have blockaded medicines and food from the vast majority of its 
population, the Shi'a and Kurds.  The reason why the "working people and
the poor have borne the brunt of economic sanctions" is that Iraq's bloody
regime finds it useful.

This post is full of hilarious distortions.  I expect we'll hear next that
establishing a security zone protecting Iraqi civilians in the South against 
bombing, gassing, and poisoning of their own government is forcing the 
Ba'athists to kill more Iraqis.  It would be comical if one didn't realize
that it works to the advantage of one of the most disgustingly murderous
regimes in the 20th century.

	If your heart is full of mercy on the Iraqis I do suggest you
	contact your Kuwaiti government to stop harrassing the Iraqi
	people who are trying to find shelter in Kuwait, those people
	have been abused by Saddam and ran to get refuge in Kuwait.
	Those people are not Saddam supporters but victims of the
	Saddam's Regime. If your intention is to help the Iraqi people you
	will first help the poeple in your backyard. many Iraqis were 
	deported from Kuwait and you never condemned that. Many Arab Bedouins
	were deported from Iraq and you never condemned that. 

	Your Enemy is not Saddam, your enemy is the Iraqi people and
	all this crocodile tears is just a cover for your hate to Iraq
	which originates from Your Khomeinist affiliations. 

A Jaber
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Dr. Arens and Israel
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:13:28 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Organization: Murasami Labs

ROBERT WERMAN wrote:

> Dr. Yigal Arens <arens@ICI.EDU>, in Message-ID: <22187@venera.isi.edu> 
>                 writes:

> >This whole line of argument of yours is pretty shakey, and I truly
> >suspect you would never try anything like it if a country other than
> >Israel were involved.  

> 
> Although not written to me, this is - to my eyes - one of the
> more remarkable statements written by Dr. Arens.

> I have always wondered at the extent of distortion that the 
> name Israel adds to his reading of news.  Something that would
> be acceptable and even praiseworthy when associated with any
> other land, becomes evil and filled with duplicity in his view
> when associated with Israel.  

It could be an artifact of the inverse - that Israel, by 
definition, is not capable of wrong. It's not been so long
ago that any public disagreement with Israeli policy in the
USA would have been automatically labeled "anti-semetic".

As long as there are Israeli supporters who think such (can
do no wrong), there will be those who think the opposite.

K'Char