HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: xhe@metz.une.edu.au (MR X HE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Australia Satellite Was Launched Successfully
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:25:37 GMT



Australia communication sattellite was launched successfully by Changzheng
rocket yesterday, 5 months after it failed to be launched in March this
year.

Congratuations!

[I heard this news from radio this morning. I am not 100% sure if I 
caught the meaning correctly.]
From: lho@MENTOR.CC.PURDUE.EDU (Your Father)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in China
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:18:25 GMT


In article <jxd-cC@engin.umich.edu>, chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:
|> In article <9208180022.AA08936@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> lho@MENTOR.CC.PURDUE.EDU (Your Father) writes:
|> 
|> L Ho, I am telling a fact that you fucked your mother. Prove it in the public you did not.
|> 
|> J Chen

Is this what one calls "Lao Xiu Cheng Nu" or "Ci Di Wu Yin San Bai Liang" ?

Did you do that to your father or mother? You are no gentleman yourself
either, why bother others, nothing but a wimp.

L Ho
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: China Stock Market Riot.
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:24:10 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA

In article <10390020@iftccu.boeing.com> alee@iftccu.boeing.com (Alexander Lee)  
writes:
> 
> This riot proves again how serious the paradox of Chinese mentality
> in China:
> 
> Those potential Chinese investors have every reason (and rights) to be
> angry and to demonstrate their furor. But, at the same time, they also
> have every responsibility and obligation to keep public law and order.
> They don't realize that by violent riot, they only destroy the very
> environment which guarantee their investment in stock market: social
> stability.
> 
> It is as stupid as African Americans, instead going to Sesimi (sp?) valey
> to burn it out in protest, burned out their own neighborhood!
> 
> Now  I start to understand why Chinese Government had to crush student riot
> in TAM in 1989.
> 
> Is it true that Chinese only understand their "rights", but NOT their
> responsibilities and obligations?

Although you are a little too biase, I still agree with you on some of your  
statements. Many of us only want our rights but hate to take responsibility. 

One of the examples is that a lot of the netters here only know they have their  
rights to "speak out", but fail to realize the consequence of their curse.


Carl
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: call for writing an article
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 16 Aug 92 03:01:22 GMT

Hi,

since the "9201 Action" was in place, the 9201 people have received MANY
threatenings from their local people.  I myself was even publically threatened:
some people threatened me by bringing me to FBI, some threatened me by 
bringing me to INS, and so on, and so forth.

Readers with conscience, this is the true face of those "democracy fighters"!
The toleration of evilness will make tomorrow's world worse, and will make
tomoroow's "freedom of speech" gone!

Readers with justice, please join me to tell this piece of truth to the US and
Chinese public--let people know how they love "freedom of speech"; let people
know how they react on different opinions; let people know how they lie the 
US Congress and the US Senators: saying that they are scared to go home, but
they keep scaring others.

Shannon Yeh

PS: They certainly have their freedom to threaten me, but whether I buy it or 
    not, you readers You\/(have) Mu\(eye) Gong\(all) Du\/(see).

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:59:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.000929.958@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <SMITTIE.92Aug20160552@beach.csulb.edu> smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>
>>Unless some of the netters here are much older than I think, no one here has
>>any first hand knowledge of what happened in Nanking. That is, no one

But our grandparents do, and a couple of them even lived to tell the 
story.  

>>participating here was at Nanking. Yet many here have very emotional feelings
>>about Nanking. That response to Nanking was taught. I am not suggesting that

the emotion is not only about Nanjing, smaller and less horrible cities
and towns suffered much worse than it.  

>>someone told about what happened at Nanking and then told you to hate the
>>Japanese for it. The lessons in hatred come in through implication. Much the

Nobody told us to hate, but their eyes told us their fear and horror
beyond words can describle.  

>>same way racist attitudes are taught in some areas of the US.
>
>Most Jews (who still live, anyway) didn't experience Hitler's genocidal
>concentration camps.  If they denounce neo-Nazis, do you accuse them of
>racism?
>
>Most supporters of Bosnia-Hercegovina had not actually, in person, saw the
>Serbian atrocities.  If they denounce Serbia, do you accuse them of racism?
>
>Most blacks had not seen a lynching in their lifetime.  If they denounce
>white supremacists, do you accuse *them* of racism?
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Spain and China
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:55:28 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Spain and China

According to the weekly Far Eastern Economic Review (6th August 1992),
the export from China to Spain and import from Spain to China in 1991 
increased 58% and 12.5% respectively compared with the ones in 1990.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23535 soc.culture.taiwan:12200 soc.culture.hongkong:10024 soc.culture.japan:7093
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:57:02 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu writes:

[* lots of stuff omitted to get to the point I want to reply to *]

>In all the time you've wasted arguing over an apology you won't get
>you could have posted how many people were killed. How they were
>killed. Over how many days they were killed. Various specific stories
>of eyewitnesses.  You could have uploaded scanned photographs to ftp
>sites.  You obviously know that the Japanese Gov't wont apologize to
>you, why do you keep wasting time and energy?!? If the Japanese wont
>produce a textbook you can accept why don't you print your own and
>distribute it outside of Japanese schools yourselves. USE YOUR
>IMAGINATION!!!  News of Japanese police trying to stop you would be
>broadcast all over the world. You would gain supporters not lose them.
>You would spread the word of what happened more effectively. It makes
>sense to me but I guess all you(pl)'re interested in is whining about
>who owes who an apology for what.

Hear hear! Sound like might actually do something! 

But, uhhh, umm, I wonder ... that would take some real work and
sitting down at a keyboard and typing is, well, sitting down at a
keyboard and typing. 

This isn't to deny that a lot of terrible things were done during
the war and I don't feel a certain sadness for those events. But
what seem *really* sad is to find people languishing with the same
laments and not doing things that might make their life any better.

I can only feel so much for them as if they won't help themselves,
why should I? 

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shen@ee.ualberta.ca (Bing Shen)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Person living in Nanking/Nanjing (China)
Organization: University of Alberta Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:27:12 GMT

It is almost impossible for the people living in Nanjing to get the msg.
:)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:29:25 EDT
From: <JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IFCSS HQ NR-4007: Protection Coordination

So, "the bill is still in the House".  I am a little bit confused.  Did IFCSS
tell us that the bill has passed the house without a single objection, and that
that was a great "victory"?  Mr. Hou Junwei said lately that what the House
passed was just a motion.  Could someone tell us what is actually going on?

                                                               J.Luo
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Darkest Age of China
Date: 15 Aug 92 08:15:02 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

    In article <sHc-3g@engin.umich.edu> (14 Aug 92) Jian Chen writes,

> In China, there are very few books talk about the sad part [Mongol invasion]
> of Chinese history.  When I read this part of Chinese history in the Oriental
> Library of Oxford University, I could not control my tear.

    Nonsense.  In China there are tonnes of books where Mongol cruelty are
well documented in bloody details.  You didn't read them, maybe because you
spent too much time to read CG's bloody-title (Hong2 Tou2) documents :-).

    There is even a movie, <<Genghis Khan>>, that shows how Mongol killed
all men taller than the wheel, and how they threw war prisoners into boiling
water, alive.  Through, in the movie it was Mongol killed Mongol, it tells
you pretty much how they would treat non-Mongols.

> Today, there are some netters attacks the nationalism.  But after you
> learn the sad stories of our country, after you learn your brothers are
> killed by foreign invaders, after you learn your sisters are raped by
> foreign invaders, will you still attack the nationalism?

    So what do you think, after learnt your grand-grandfathers were killed
by Chinese Mongol and your grand-grandmothers were raped by Chinese Mongol?
Go to Vietnam under the invincible banner of Deng Xiaoping, to kill Vietnam
men and rape their women, after Zhou Enlai apologized to Vietnam people for
China's war crime against Vietnam in Han Dynasty?
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: world exports 1991
Date: 17 Aug 92 10:21:03 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

According to the weekly German Tribune (17 July 1992), the export of
China in 1991 is in the 13th position in the world export market, i.e.
China shares a same position with South Korea. However, a Chinese
friend of mine said to me that 80% export from Hong Kong is actually
from China. If what he said is true, China export is actually in
the 7th position in 1991 after Italy. The top 13 countries in export
of 1991 are as follows.

		US$ billions
1. USA 		422
2. Germany	403
3. Japan	315
4. France	217
5. Britain	185
6. Italy	169
7. Holland	133	(China + 80% Hong Kong = 150.4)
8. Canada	129
9. Bel./Lux.	117
10. Hong Kong	98
11. CIS (Russia) 78
12. Taiwan	76
13. China	72
13. South Korea 72
----------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ylq@lems23lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen)
Subject: Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton?  Which is better for China?
Organization: Laboratory for Engineering Man/Machine Systems
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:49:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.192801.27901@objy.com>, cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug19.171420.10187@cs.brown.edu> ylq@lems23lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen) writes:
|>     >Under the GOP, there is no hope to see the US policy towards China will spur the
|>     >democracy in China. 
|>     
|> On the other hand, do you think a conditional MFN (which China would certainly not
|> going to comply) would help the democracy in China?

At least fewer people will end up behind bars, because of their views. 

|> 
|> Of all G-7 countries, USA is the probably the one with the worst relationship
|> with China.  What else do you think Bush could do, totaly cut off from dealing
|> with China?  (That certainly would be good news to Japan, France and the British.)
|> What could it achieve by totally isolating China?
|> 

I am not advocating isolating China at all, I just like to see some way could 
curb those token trials to lock up someone who has slightly different point of
view. Is this yearning for improvement of basic human right going to hinder the 
economic reform ? I don't see why they both cannot come at the same time.

|>     >I wish this time the democratic party can kick Bush's ass out of the White House. 
|>     >they are having a pretty good chance this round.  
|> 
|> IMHO, the hope for democracy for China is for the Economic Reform to succeed.

I am eager to see the success of ER.

|> As much as one hates Deng in the handling of 6/4 TAM, I have to wish him living
|> long enough so that the economic reforms will take roots and become irreversible

When students were on the streets, everyone predicted that the unprecedent 
political openess during that period of time was irreversible.  

|> for the conservatives to change course.  Given Deng's age, time is running out
|> for pushing the economic reform.  Conditional MFN is the last China need.
|> 
|> -cw-
|> P.S. I was pleasantly surprised to see an American Chinese woman being the 
|> secretary of the GOP convention!  Asian Americans still have a long way
|> to go in American politics, but this is a good beginning!
|> _____________________________________________________________________________
|> C.W.Chung       Objectivity Inc.      Object-Oriented DBMS  Tel: 415/688-8023
|>                 800 El Camino Real,   Menlo Park CA 94025   Fax: 415/325-0939
|>                                       email: cw@objy.com    or  uunet!objy!cw

I am not surprised that Bush did not mention one word about China while he was 
touting his diplomatic accomplishment. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:34:57 GMT

>>  Since I was born way after WWII, I will be hypocritical if I
>>apologize for the things you mentioned above. I am, however, responsible
>>for what the Japanese government is doing since I had voted several
>>times for six years before I came to the US. I feel guilty everytime I
>                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>see flaming posting on Japan's responsiblility for WWII since apparently
>>it is caused partially by the anger and the frustration toward the
>>government.
>>  I appologize for that I mentioned above.
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>...Wataru

I don't think you should feel guilty for what the other people had done.
It is those big liars that shpuld be blamed.
From: chx@dblab.is.tsukuba.ac.jp (Chen Han Xiong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: South China in <Dem. China> - a review
Date: 20 Aug 92 07:20:07 GMT
	<Bt8o84.ILH@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Organization: Inst. of Info. Sci. & Elec., Univ. of Tsukuba, Tsukuba City,
	Ibaraki, Japan

In article <Bt8o84.ILH@acsu.buffalo.edu> chifang@acsu.buffalo.edu (chi fang) writes:


   And have you every had a chance to read some articles by Yan Jia Qi? It's
                                                            ^^^^^^^^^^
   shity as usual, not a single sign of improvement in his thinking and reasoning
   after fighting for democracy professionally for 3 years! He really should have
   stick to his physics instead of switching to politics.
                ^^^^^^^

?
--
                                            
  ::	Hanxiong Chen 
  ::    Email: chx@dblab.is.tsukuba.ac.jp   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: the chinese way to enjoy a piece of music
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:36:00 GMT

gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
|> Once an American friend asked me what is the chinese way to denote the music.
|> I think for the computer our way is better than the "five lines" way.
|> Do you agree?

The numeric way is good for reading, but the five-line way (staff) is
developed from playing instruments especially with keyboards. I was told
that the Japanese also uses this system to teach children too. And I
always wonder whether this system is really originated by chinese. Because
it looks so intuitive and I see no reason why only we chinese can create it.
Anybody know?

|> Enjoy! And don't forget to show your friend the secrit codes as you sing them.
|> 
|>  2/4
|> Steady
|>       ,--,             ,--,         ,--,,--,                       ,--,
|>   1.3 555 | 6  5 | 3.1 555 | 3  1 | 555 555 | 1  05 | 1 .  1 | 1.1 567 | 1  1 |
|>   --= ---          --= ---          --- ---      --        -   --= ---
|>                                     ... ...       .
|>                                                                    ^^^
                                                                       |
BTW, you made a mistake here ------------------------------------------|

|>   
|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> Slow
|>                         ,---,                  ,---,                 ,---,
|>                         .   .  . .   .                    .   .   .
|>      5.3 ||: 1  3 | 5   1 | 1  3.2 | 1  3 | 4  5 | 5  5 | 3 . 2 | 1  7 | 7 6.7 |
|>      --=                       --=                            -            --=
|>   .   .
|>   1   1  | 5  3 | 1  5.3 :||
|>                      --=

Alright, somebody knows a software can read this and play on my sparc2?

Steven
------
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: China energy
Date: 20 Aug 92 10:29:43 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

China Energy

According to the Economist (15th August 1992), China years of oil
reserves, gas reserves and coal reserves remaining at current rates 
of productions are 22.6, 67.3 and 113.7 respectively, whereas China
productions of oil and gas are as below

	oil (production/consumption)	gas (prod./consump.)
	(thousands of barrels)		(millions of tonnes)

China	2,810	2,405			13.4	13.4	

The Asia countries years of oil reserves, gas reserves and coal
reserves remaining at current rates of productions are as follows.

Asia Energy 1991

countries	oil (years)	gas (years)	coal (years)

Australia	8.0		19.3		417.7
China		22.6		67.3		113.7
India		25.6		48.8		263.1
Indonesia	12.2		36.2		
Japan		11.6		13.3		101.7
New Zealand	11.1		21.3		36.6
South Korea					10.3
From: ychen@ada.stat.uga.edu (Yinpu Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton?  Which is better for China?
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:10:56 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia Statistics Department

In article <1992Aug19.033115.19230@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu) writes:
>
I think Bush understand the situations in China better than most
Democrats. I basicly agree with his way in dealing with Chinese
government. 
>he is friendly to China. After proclaiming to "clean" House (Capitol) on his

Bush simply doesn't have a clue dealing with economy. He could have done
anything he claims he is going to do. Of course, a lot of bad thing that
happened aren't really his fault, but it's like when a football team
loses they start to fire coaches even though it may not be the coach's
fault. I think a little change will help more than hurt.

>next term, Bush could carry out his plans. And US would increase rapidiy,
>5% or 10% ? who knows! Well, should Americans bet all their properties on

No way. US economy is not going to grow rapidly no matter who gets
elected. Can't you see that?

>Clinton ?  Not good deal. His blueprint plans sound good, but who can sure

Why not? it couldn't get any worse anyway.

>cqu

I think if I were in China right now, I would like to Bush. If I were
an American, I will vote for Clinton. As a Chinese in America, I'd like
to see Clinton more than Bush.

Yinpu
From: yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Joe Y. Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Are Chinese women more attractive than they were 40 years ago
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:17:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: void.yzhou.714251841
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:

>Here is a piece of news from CND:

>[Reuters 8/16/92] SHANGHAI -- A 24-year-old bus passenger, Dong Huibo, died
>in the street, after tangling with one of the city's dreaded woman bus
>conductors.   His nightmare began inside the bus when the ticketpuncher
>snarled an insult about the shape of his backside.   She swore at him,
>slapped his face and broke his glasses, made a grab for his testicles, then
>stood back and aimed a vicious kick at his private parts.  As he scrambled
>out of a window, the driver -also a woman- slammed her foot on the
>accelerator pedal and sent him flying. (From: Di Bi Cao)


>What do you folks think? Are Chinese women more attractive than they were 40  
>years ago? 

>Carli

Add one more. Back several years ago, a female bus driver run the bus into
the crowd intensionally. I just can't recall how many people got killed that
time.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23136 soc.culture.taiwan:11966
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: A lie
Date: 22 Aug 92 01:51:33 GMT

Joe Huang wrote:
===============================
I'm confused by this. What voting rights have existed for the average 
citizen in the PRC, let alone the prisoners ?  I recall some publicity
about minor elections in the mid-80's that led to Fang Lizhi's wife 
being elected for some local position in Haidian, but outside of that
brief experiment, I was under the impression that people in China had 
about as much say in their rulers as they do about the weather. Please 
clarify for me the voting process in China if I've been seriously 
misinformed.
===============================

Hi Lao Huang, it seems Old Lix's turn to reply:-) I officially took part
in three votings in China. The first time, when I was 18, it happened to
be a year of election, and I was in a village. It did not make any sense
at all, since it had been decided who should be elected, the only thing
needed to do was to call all farmers sitting in a classroon of the village
school, and the cadres told them whom and why they should vote. Luckily,
my handwritting was the best in that village (much better thn Scott and
Shannon, you bet), so I got the job to carve the stamp. It was in fact a
half of a yam. My task was to carve three characters on it: "Yi Cai Xuai",
(Voted already). So in fact, I gave up my first chance to vote, Xiaolin
may blame me for that:-)

The second time was in 1966, that was a real voting. The candidtates lobbied
for votes extensively. The problem was that those who failed in election,
picked up weapons very soon.

The third time was in 1987, when I returned to BJ from the States. I simply
did not know who the candidates were, and there were only very brief
introduction of the candidates, how old, gender, a few words about what they
did. I simply forgot whether I voted at all:-)

In summary, I think something must be done before a real voting:
1) Information about the candidates;
2) Voters have wide choices;
3) Those lost in election should respect the results of the voting.

Otherwise, Xiaolin should not blame me for no interest in my own right:-)