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From: malb@ee.uts.edu.au (malcolm butler)
Subject: Question: wheel rebuilding
Organization: Switched Networks Research Centre, UTS, Australia.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:22:39 GMT

I'm being slowly driven to frustration by perpetually breaking spokes
every few weeks.  I bought my bike second hand, and it's been clear
almost from the beginning that the wheels have been patched and
repaired so often, with spokes of different types, and not too
skilfully.  Using cheap steel spokes, which subsequently corroded and
made them impossible adjust, has ensured that the wheels are now
permanently unevenly tensioned, no doubt the major cause of they
ongoing problems.  So I finally decided that I would do something about
it and rebuild them with good quality spokes.

The question is, is it worth putting new spokes into old rims and
hubs?  Should I go the whole way and buy new everything?  What should I
look for in determining how worn the old parts are?  As far as I can
see, there are no noticeable kinks or dents in the rims, and the hubs
are OK.

I'd also be interested in recommendations for rims and hubs too:  I
currently have Araya 700c rims and Shimano hubs (sorry, that's all
that's stamped on them and I'm not expert enough to figure out any more
about them -- they came with the bike).  I ride for pleasure (including
some commuting and medium-length day trips) and enjoy going fast, so
I'd like to have good quality parts.

Finally, I'm fairly new to wheel-building, so any advice on that is
also welcome (and yes, I've read the FAQ and I already have
_The_Bicycle_Wheel_: thanks Jobst, it's a great book).

Email or post replies.

Malcolm Butler
(currently suffering from cycling withdrawal)
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From: ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (bruce mccullough)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Tunturi Bikes
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:24:38 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul20.170619.16869@cs.joensuu.fi> asiivo@cs.joensuu.fi (Antti Siivonen) writes:
>ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (bruce mccullough) writes:
>>I have recently purchased a bike named Tunturi and understand that it is
>>manufactured by a Swedish company that makes stationary bikes. My question
>>is - Does anyone else own one of these? I think in all its not a bad bike
>>but it just misses the mark.
>
>	No, it's a Finnish product. Btw. the name means "mountain". Also 
>	Nopsa comes from the same factory. 

Sorry about that no offense was intended. I had several shops here in the
Atlanta area say it was Swedish but that was all they knew. Since I am
somewhat new to the bike area I'm unfamiliar with Nopsa. Would you please
care to enlighten me a little? I still haven't had any problems with my
Tunturi yet and I'm in the saddle about 30 miles a day.Knock on Wood!!!




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From: boop@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (joseph.a.lapenta)
Subject: Is it really a TT bike, or what?!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:38:24 GMT
Summary: 26" wheels on road bikes


First, I'd like to thank all those who responded to my test post.
Now that I know this thing works, I can start to have some fun
(and maybe learn something in the process).

In April I was in the market for a new bike.  I narrowed my
choices down to a Paramount Series 7 (26" wheels) and a Trek 2300,
both equipped with Shimano 600 STI.  After riding both bikes, I
still couldn't make a decision.  So I a started talking to people
who know a hell of a lot more than myself.  One person I spoke
with is a triathlete.  He told me 26" wheels were strictly for
TTing and that if I liked the Paramount that much I should get it
with 700Cs.  Roadies steered me from smaller wheels as well,
stating their harsher ride and at times difficult to find
tube/tires.  In the literature from Paramount, these smaller
wheels sound like a divine creation - stronger, lighter, quicker
acceleration.  But are they as good as they sound?

If anyone could enlighten me on this subject, it would be greatly
appreciated!

BTW, I bought the Trek.  I figured if 26" wheels are so good, how
come more riders don't use them.  The ride of the Al/composite
frame wasn't as harsh as steel (which my football-battered body
appreciates). Also, it was $250 cheaper and composite.  So I think
I did O.K.


Joe LaPenta

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From: jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ULTRA marathon cycling
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:23:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest) writes:

>Regarding the claims that paced records have some significance, let me
>repeat my earlier observation that I often ride my bike almost
>effortlessly at over 66,000 miles/hour by using the Earth to pace me
>in its orbit around the Sun.

Most other riders do this as well - the penalty for getting dropped
is very severe.

jim
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Rim failure, for Jobst and other netters!
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 19:37:24 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul30.190127.14644@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney) writes:
>
>I'm curious as to how you know that the wheels were overtensioned, and
>what you consider to be proper tension.
>
The answer is, of course, the only way I know of telling if
a wheel has been overtensioned is if the nipples all creak
when you try to tighten them. :-) I don't believe in the
accuracy of the most commonly used tensiometers except as
good _reproducable_ indicators.
From: bob@cc.usu.edu (Bob Bayn)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Opinions on recumbents?
Date: 28 Jul 92 08:51:10 MDT
Organization: Utah State Univ

In article <258@melpar.UUCP>, toppin@melpar.UUCP (Doug Toppin) writes:
> If I get a single road bike I am considering getting a recumbent bike
   ...
> Please drop me a line or post any useful replies

I LOVE mine!  It's comfortable and fun.  I commute on it when the weather
is dry (which is just about always in the drought-stricken intermountain 
west).  It's easier on my older-than-I-am neck joints than my old diamond
frame bike (which I keep in case we ever have any inclement weather again).
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From: praetzel@marconi.waterloo.edu (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: Upgrade/Shed weight on my MTB
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:02:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.151830.10787@news2.cis.umn.edu> kevin@ssc.space.umn.edu (Groenke) writes:
>I rebuilt my wheels with Matrix Mt Titan rims(395 grms.) 14/15/14 spokes
>and alloy nipples.  And mounted Skoke Lite Kevlars.  I also milled a
  There is no reason why you can't use 15/16 spokes.  I have them on my
bike and last time I checked the top of the line Richeys came with 
15/16.5 spokes.  Of course you might as well go to a 28 on the front with
a 32 on the rear.  I have also used the 1.5" tubes for my 1.95 tires with
not problems.
  - Eric
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF)
Date: 23 Jul 92 07:33:03 GMT

Vlad writes:

> Given the fact that Lemond is of French origin (LeMonde), I would not be
> too critical of the French pronunciation of his name...

The French (and other Europeans) find that Lemond, being spelled the way
it is should be pronounced Americain as in 'Grig Lemmon'.  Were it spelled
leMond they may have done otherwise but in France as in Italy it is Mr.
Lemmon or Limmon in the same vein as Americans who say 'Frahnze' in an
attempt to do it justice.  That's why we say Munich instead of attempting
Muenchen with sounds that do not exist in the English mouth.

> As far as pronouncing France with an "ae", that's standard Midwestern
> pronunciation, isn't it?

Since the vowels of the French language and others are not any part of
English I find it tedious to pronounce words with non-English sounds
in their native language.  That goes for people who insist on pronouncing
my name as 'Brah-nt' or 'Bru-nt' instead of 'Brant' or towns like Finhaut
in attempted French when 'fin hote' conveys the name to another English
speaker unmistakably.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas)
Subject: Missing subject header
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:44:03 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center


-- 
In article <#3dmh6_.tomk@netcom.com>, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
|> I most certainly wouldn't come under the heading of LeMond
|> basher -- but I think that much too much is made of LeMond and
|> his effect on the sport.
|> 
|> He _did_ get large salary increases for the peloton and that was
|> positive. He is a great rider. But I certainly don't idolize him.

but there is a down side to big salaries - it's too expensive to sponsor
a team this days. this market economy philosophy seems to do as much
harm to cycling as reagan did to the us economy. but then i am a lemond
basher.

|> 
|> I was sort of hoping that Stephen Roche would do even better this
|> year. And my day was complete when the Hampster won the hardest
|> mountain stage in the world.

--
From: ericp@VNET.IBM.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Suntour
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:14:45 GMT

Thanks to several replies to my Command Shifter post yesterday, I now have
the Command Shifters installed and shifting. I like them, but still find
myself reaching in vain for the downtube shifters. Practice, practice,
practice. Next silly question: I'm about to take a very hilly ride. I've
changed the small chainring to 39T and would like to change the freewheel
from 13-24T to 13-28T or at least 13-26T. At the same time I'd like to
convert to indexed shifting. My current Suntour Sprint rear derailleur
is pre-index and can manage only 26T. What Suntour rear derailleur
for 'racing' bikes can handle 28T and is index (Accushift) compatible?
The new freewheel is Suntour New Winner Pro and Accushift compatible.
Thanks,
Eric Pearson
ERICP@VNET.IBM.COM
From: d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Aluminum's Lifespan
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:50:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Jul29.155018.5588
Reply-To: d3a132@pnl.gov
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

The phenomenon that you refer to is "fatigue", which is failure
caused by repeated (cyclic) low level stress.  Eventually, this
can cause a crack to form and the metal to fail.  Tests have been
done for various metals that show a relationship between the number
of cycles and the stress level.  As one might expect, the higher
the periodic stress level is, the fewer cycles the part can
withstand before failure.

With steels, it has been shown that if the periodic stresses
are sufficiently low to allow the part to survive a million
cycles, it will survive an infinite number of cycles (Ok,
so no one has subjected a steel part to an infinite number
of loading cycles - this is the trend).  Aluminum does not
have this "fatigue limit", but many designers use 100 million
as a fatigue limit for Al.  The appropriate limit depends on
the use that the part will be put to.

Gary Klein does (used to?) warranty his frames for a million
miles.  I think that it is unlikely that any aluminum frame
will have a worse problem in this regard than a steel frame.
In order to be stiff enough for people to enjoy riding it,
a bicycle frame has to be subject to pretty low stresses.

Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed here are not necessarily
those of anyone in particular. Further, my employer is not
responsible for any opinions herein, or for any...(humorous
slam of employer deleted in the interests of)...
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: U.S. Federal Bicycle  Policy
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 18:45:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Paul, I live in San Leandro, in the San Francisco bay area.

I have had some 23 jobs since I got out of the Air Force, oh
so long ago (1967).

I have _never_ worked at a job closer than about 5 miles away
and have never commuted at an average speed less than 30 mph.

More typical is 15 miles and 40 mph average. Even when I took
BART and walked a mile to work I averaged over 15 mph in my commute.

Ther eis absolutely NO way I would switch to bicycle commuting if I
was forced to average 6 mph. The reasons I don't commute now are that
traffic is moving at 50 mph on the city streets and in the mornings these
people are to sleepy to be bothered with taking effective care
to miss someone like a bicyclist. Add to that the ignorant way that
city traffic planners are placing stopsigns or stop lights on every
corner and making life more and more difficult for bicyclists and
it's easy to see that bicycle commuting _isn't_ the wave of the future
unless someone gets their head out of the sand and starts reating
bicycles as vehicles instead of something in the way of autos.

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From: jly33321@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John L.Yoon )
Subject: Re: Questions on Sew-ups
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:27:09 GMT

dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes) writes:


>I've been using the SP1 for two years now, and I have not been able to wear
>one of them out yet. The problem is that there is so much glass, sharp
>stones etc. that my tires flat before they get weared out.


I dunno about NeoPro SP1's but the Pro SP1's that I've used have been great
tires.  The wear pretty well, but traction is a bit of a problem compared
to a pair of Clement Criterium's or Vittoria CX's.

>I'm the one who learned not to glue the tire too good on the rim - only good
>enought so that the tire don't roll of the rim in a hard corner. You don't
>need to have a lot of glue on the tire/rim to prevent it. After all, my
>teammates have been racing for many many years, and so far NOONE have ever
>experienced that their tire roll of the rim during a hard corner! So don't
>have too much glue on the tire/rim if you want to get a flat tire off the
>rim in a hurry. After all some minutes extra can put you severa places down
>in a race!

better off keeping an extra set of wheels in the pit area than risk rolling
a tire.  Also the free lap rule does apply in most cases...

After seeing one rider roll a tire and go down in a corner, I would never
take chances when gluing my tires.  If no one was around this particular
rider when he went down, it wouldn't be so bad, but he took down about
four other riders with him when his tire rolled.  Although it might be         
an inconvence to you, it shows consideration for the safety of those around
you.  
 


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From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: Re: Fighting Rust
Keywords: Waxing
Reply-To: canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 20:04:45 GMT

> john@lightning.mmm.ucar.edu (John J. Allison) writes:

>Also, anyone have any thoughts on waxing your bike?

I have a friend in that uses furniture polish (Lemon Pledge?).

Here in CO (Boulder) we don't need to worry about rust.  I picked up a
little when I was riding on the west coast, but my bike(s) have never rusted
while I've lived here (10 years).  It's too dry.

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From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Bicycle Paths
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:10:42 GMT

In <rjg.712440445@guinan> rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith) writes:

>How would you like it if every car that
>passed you on the road honked its horn as it passed you. 
[....]
>Honking and bells should be reserved for ``unusual situations'' otherwise they
>just become to common and end up being ignored.

>Objections please.

In the case of cars, honking when overtaking has specific legal
implications.  I do not know if the honking doctrine applies to
vehicles off of roads (bikes on paths), but this probably varies by
state.  On the road, bicycles are vehicles so the rule probably
applies.

Specifically, at least in Washington:

RCW 46.61.110  Overtaking a vehicle on the left.
  The following rules shall govern the overtaking and passing 
of vehicles proceeding in the same direction, subject to those 
limitations, exceptions and special rules hereinafter stated:
  (1)  The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle 
proceeding in the same direction shall pass to the left 
thereof at a safe distance and shall not again drive to the 
right side of the roadway until safely clear of the overtaken 
vehicle.
  (2)  Except when overtaking and passing on the right is 
permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle shall give way 
to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle on audible 
signal and shall not increase the speed of his vehicle until 
completely passed by the overtaking vehicle.

So if the situation does not require the overtaken vehicle to "give
way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle" then there is no
need for the overtaking vehicle to give an audible signal.

Also, this rule applies only to vehicles overtaking vehicles, not to
those overtaking pedestrians.

In any case, I find a bell is understood by almost everyone.  I've
even seen a jogger carrying a bicycle bell on a crowded footpath -- if
people were walking abreast and blocking the path, he'd ring the bell
and they got out of the way quickly, expecting to be run down by one
of those D*** bicycles :-)
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From: toppin@melpar.UUCP (Doug Toppin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Opinions on recumbents?
Keywords: recumbent
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:28:51 GMT
Organization: E-Systems, Melpar Division, Falls Church, VA

My sweetie and I have mountain bikes that have been used off and on the road
heavily for the last few years and are starting to look around
for either a couple of road bikes or a tandem.
If I get a single road bike I am considering getting a recumbent bike
based on what I have read about them (I have never tried or even seen
one of them in person).
I have not been able to find any local dealers (Northern Virginia)
that carry them and they don't seem very knowledgeable anyway.
Is all of the magazine material I have read about them being better just hype
and if not, then why are they not more commonplace?
Please drop me a line or post any useful replies
thanks
Doug Toppin
uunet!melpar!toppin
From: dick@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ron Dick)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:08:02 GMT
Subject: WANTED: Schwinn bikes
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles



  I'm looking for a couple of bikes for my nephews. I need Schwinns (family
  tradition, ya' know) either stingrays or the cruier type. Flat/bald tires
  and scratched paint are not a problem, as I can fix them up. 

  So, if you have an old Schwinn laying around the garage or side yard, let
  me know how much you want for it. 

  Thanks,
  Ron Dick
  dick@hpcc01.corp.hp.com
From: bob@cc.usu.edu (Bob Bayn)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: things happen, are they accidents?
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:19:55 MDT
Organization: Utah State Univ

Things happen.  We carelessly group those things as: intentional and 
accidental.  Several other readers have pointed out that most traffic
"incidents" are not without some cause or responsible party.  It may 
be a consequence of our culture or our legal system to refer to these
incidents as "accidents" before liablilty is legally assigned.  But
that word seems to many of us to carry a presumption of innocence that
colors the whole subsequent discussion and often seems to protect the
party who is clearly (in our eyes, and maybe in truth) responsible.

An "accident" happened in my neighborhood several years ago that forced
me to recognize the misuse of the word.  I now recognize that it was an
"incident" caused by carelessness, selfishness and inattention to 
responsibilities.  Without malace or evil intent it resulted in death.
"Accident" is the word used to soothe the guilt of the parent who backed
over the child in the driveway.

What's my point?  In my lexicon, there are incidents that are intentional,
neglegent and accidental.  The last choice applies to very few incidents.
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From: anselmo-ed@cs.yale.edu (Ed Anselmo)
Subject: Re: Bears (was Re.Dogs)
Organization: Yale University, Dept. of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
	<jf-mssj.bob@netcom.com> <1992Jul16.190006.11474@csi.uottawa.ca>
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1992 13:33:29 GMT

> Cycle with a freind who is slower than you are!

Four of us were hiking/canoeing through Denali and Katmai National
Parks a few years ago, and our motto was

	"You don't have to be faster than the bear, just faster
	than the slowest member of your party"

Since I was definitely 3rd or 4th in the foot speed category, this was
of some concern to me.

The other person in the running for last place in the bear races then
considered carrying a .22 pistol (small, light, easy to carry).  His
plan was that if he saw a bear ready to attack, he'd turn and shoot ME
in the foot, then grab his wife and run.
-- 
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: "Waxing" a chain
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:17:12 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Christine! Do you mean to say that you don't take a portable
iron along with you to iron your wrinkled in transit 'civies'?

A can of wax and the iron set on rayon works just fine with
no chance of a fire.