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From: nraju@usc.edu (Narayanan Raju)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Dear Mr. Meenan
Date: 17 Aug 1992 17:38:39 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Dear Mr. Meenan, 




I had wrtten the following.

>>suppression meted out to Shudras is dealt with in the next section. Here I'm 
>>only looking at the seggragation in the top three varnas)
>>This seggregation was not forced on any group; every-group was satisfied
>>with keeping to themselves. Hence, no particular group can be blamed for this.



Your response is,

>Are you seriously saying that the caste system was not forced on anyone ?
>How about banning the use of streets, temples, wells, ?  Were the lower
>caste happy with these.  Caste system is maintained by instilling fear,
>both in this world and eternal damnation.

Only Shudras weren't let into temples ans streets. Only Shudras weren't
allowed to draw water from the wells. Their case was dealt with separately.


3) Are saying that non-Shudras(but,non_brahmins) were suppressed?
	Weren't they let into the temples and streets?
	Wren't they allowed to use the society wells?


	Were the Pannaiyars, who administered law in the villages, Brahmins?
	Were the land owners who subjugated peaseants to bonded labour
	Brahmins?
	Were the Kings, Brahmins?
	Were all the Tamil moral leaders, Brahmins?
	Was the society  run  entirely by Brahimins?


4) Are you saying that 4%(Brahmins) dominated the 
entire society-- 
	a society administered by non-Brahmins?
	a society in which the merchants traders and land-owners were
		non-Brahmins?

5) Are you blaming the mishandling of laws by Pannaiyars on Brahmins?
   Are you blaming the maltreatment the landowners meted out to
   peasants on Brahmins?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: nasokan@yoho.uwaterloo.ca (Asokan)
Subject: Re: EVR - Part II (Atheism)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:04:20 GMT

In article <Bt8IKu.449@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) writes:
[...]
>(ii) Many non-Brahmin sects in south, more so in Sri Lanka are vegetarian.
>I think a larger percentage of people are vegetarians in Tamil eezham, than
>in Tamil Nadu, more than India. There are many who eat fish though.
[...]
>
>K. S.

IMHO, this is not true.  The majority of TE Tamils (and Tamils from
other parts of SL) seem to be non-vegetarian.  The typical person
here would avoid eating non-vegetarian food on Fridays, on days of
religious (though theepAvaLi is fair game for eating non-veg) or
personal(like an ancestor's thivasam) significance.  Beef is also
generally avoided.

But apart from these, there doesn't seem to be any reservation in
general about eating non-veg.  So much so that being a vegetarian
visitor in a SL Tamil milieu could be rather embarrassing because
one has to continually ask for special treatment.  A poem that Ravi
Sinnarajah posted asked something like "kOzhikkaRi engkaL thEsiya
uNavA?".  I think that is a very apt question! :-)

Regards,

- Asokan

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From: Venkatachalam Aruna  (Affable)
Subject: Re: tamizh names-Venkat's suggestion
Reply-To: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna)
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:21:09 GMT

In article <kat.713816710@sybok> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)  
writes:
>      Anparae:
> 
>           You had suggested some names and say
> Tamil-but no meaning.
> and then you give a lot of other than Tamizh names and don't
> say the meanings either.
[ stuff deleted]
Thanks for the info. about Elango.
Since you asked for it, let me give the meanings of other names.
  Vallal     - kodaiyAli
  Sundar(am) - azhagan
  Prakash    - oli
  Vijay(an)  - veRRi
  Arun(an)   - sooryan
  Kumar(an)  - ilaval,mainthan
  Raj(an)    - arasan
  Prabhu     - panakkAran,kodaiyali
  Ravi       - sooryan
  Uday(an)   - ezhuchchi

Cheers,
Venkat
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From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Re: `aRivoLi' - a mass movement for literacy - Part II
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:53:11 GMT

In article <Bt8JyH.4Cp@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan
K.) writes:
>It looks like a great project. In fact, a similar project, to clean up,
>Cities, would be wonderful too. In cities, there is not much illiteracy,
>so the volunteers can do. But that apart, I have a question.
>
>How are they being more literate? Which language is taught?
>Is it simply making them read Tamil alphabets. It should be pretty easy!
>Is it to make them read and understand 'kumdam' level Tamil?
>In short at what school grade level is considerred literate?
>
>
>KS.

        May be easy to teach children, but it is not that is easy to attract
        adults. That is why the all kinds of 'non-formal education', 'adult
        education' programs etc failed eventhough government funneled lot of
        money. The success of the aRivoLi movement is through the 'cultural
        marches', which not only creates interest in learning, and rejunuvates
        the almost extinct folk art forms, in an era dominated by the
        demonic 'cinema'. This is not only just an attempt to teach to read
        and write, but to bring culutrual rennaiasance.

        Tamil is taught in Tamil Nadu, so is Malayalam in Kerala. I don't think
        think there is any examination conducted to decide their level.

        It is pathetic that the 'aRivoLi' article received only one response
        from Dr. Srinivasan. If it is on any other topic like Periyaar,
        S.Ve. Sekhar os Kannadasan, the net might have been flooding with
        too many postings. Dr. Srinivasan, this is the kind of interest the
        'highly educated Tamils (mostly from Urban background)' have. Do you
        expect them to 'clean the cities'?.

M. Sundaramoorthy
sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: UN gives clean chit to India on handling Sri-lankan Tamil refugees
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:11:28 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Reuters news in News India aug-14

RT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
From: madabusv@cse.fau.edu (Vasudhevan Madabushi)
Subject: Re: Please be Accurate to avoid flame wars.
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:37:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.151052.11909@engage.pko.dec.com> thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT) writes:
>
>
>In article <1992Aug18.144846.25710@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, raghu@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Raghu B) writes...
>
>>	Whatever the hell it is , why should a person with low marks
>>should get admission when the other person is far better than him.
>>Any fool will be able to understand this logic. There is total injustice
>>going on this world. 
>
>
>Very valid point!
>
>RT

Yes indeed!!!
I verymuch agree !!!!
Vasudhevan
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: History and J.J.
Date: 22 Aug 1992 20:22:25 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Aug22.191228.13901@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> rst@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (R. Sritharan) writes:
>In article <9208220244.AA02774@cec1.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>> 
>>Raghavan Jayaraman writes on `History and J.J.'
>>-------------------------------------------------
>>
>                    ...
>> posted. Just discarding the articles as `rubbish' and then clearing
>                                                             ~~~~~~~~
>> oneself as `I didn't say that' or calling the posters as `brain-
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~       
>                    ...
>>                                                          S.Pandian.
>>                                                  sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>I think Balaji Kannan posted something which proved that
>S. Pandian himself was guilty of this.
>
>-- rst

    I have already written a long article replying Balaji
 Kannan's reference where he claimed that I posted an apology
 in the net very reluctantly to clear myself. Please refer
 to that article.
   I wrote a `New Year Greeting' on the Tamil New Year Day
 and posted it on S.C.I. ( I don't see how my articles posted
 on April in S.C.I. pertains to my articles in this net. )        
 It did not meet my standards and I was very sad about that.
 I cancelled that greeting that I posted in S.C.I. But I did
 not post an apology in S.C.I. for posting that poem. Later,
 Balaji brought this poem to the attention of S.C.I. readers
 when I observed in one of my articles that I am a Gandhian.
 ( Balaji Kannan wrote like Gandhi would have been choked
 to death if he had read the poem that I posted. I was sad to
 read that. I replied to his article admitting that I wrote
 the poem he referred to ( I posted in a pen-name really )
 and that Gandhi, Jesus or Buddha would forgive me for my  
 silly experiment ( of writing a spoof on D.M.K. speakers .)
 For my exact words, please refer to Balaji Kannan's posting
 in S.C.T. archives titled `TRUTH NEVER FAILS..' or something
 like that.
   If you don't like to take that trouble, please wait till
 I post any new posting on Gandhi. Balaji Kannan might repost
 my poem that I posted on April in S.C.I. again to write a
 `satire' on such postings in this net. 

                                                   S.Pandian.
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From: satya@orion.hi-csc.honeywell.com (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: I HATE S.C.T
Keywords: THREADS, Blah Blah...
Organization: Sensor & System Development Center
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:33:38 GMT

 (Dinkar N. Bhat) writes:
>I agree with you. The group started off as a progressive cultural group.
>It has degenerated into an arena now. First it was Tamil Eelam, then some
>brahmin and non-brahmin bashing, then superiority of one language over
>other. I too have been guitly of some such posts. I apologize and earnestly
>hope that every body else understands. INDIA IS ONE COUNTRY, ALL ITS 
>LANGUAGES ARE GREAT, TAMIL IS ONE OF THEM. SO LET US TALK ABOUT TAMIL
>NAD FORGET SUPERIORITY. 
>
>Dinkar.

The parallel is irresistible. You folks sound like Republicans, especially
a Dan Quayle or a Pat Robertson, promoting and mandating family values and
harmony. 

Please keep in mind that I did not judge your actions but just noted
the similarity.
From: setty@mercury.ncat.edu (Anup A. Setty)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: KarppaGraham ???
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:46:04 GMT
Organization: North Carolina A&T State University

>Sender: news@vercors.frec.bull.fr
>
>
>It is not necessary to remove the shirt to enter the Chidambaram temple.
>Only if one wants to have a very close darshan (near the 'karppagraham')
>of Lord Nataraja, he is asked to remove his shirt.          ^
>							     |
>Prabhu						             |
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	What is the  meaning of the above word  ----------/
	karppa == ???
	graham == planet						

	would someone explain the meaning of the above word.

	thanQ

	anup

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From: nraju@usc.edu (Narayanan Raju)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: reservation
Date: 18 Aug 1992 19:35:14 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
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Mr. V.R Kumar writes,
>Mr.Rammohan's brother might not have got guindy.
>But it is untrue that his friend with only 43% got Guindy. The 
>minimum cut-off percentage for bothe backward and Forward castes to
>enter guindy is 70%. There have been many incidents where many BC
>guys despite with more than 90% could not enter Guindy.



If what Mr. V.R Kumar says is true, the BC's have caught up with the
FC's in terms of education. Then why have reservation at all.


Raju
raju@spock.usc.edu
From: rammohan@usc.edu (Karthikeyan Rammohan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Hate-tamils
Date: 14 Aug 1992 09:17:53 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
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Mr.Kathiravan Krishnamurthi quotes in his previous article

"  They had Periyaar who valiantly stood against 
all the machinations of the varNa based
brahmanism and veda based irrational stupidity 
in the country."

	This is positively not a reason.It is because of narrow-minded
people like you that they hate tamils.The bramins are respected simply
because they have come up in life through hard work.This is in hard
contrast to what the people whom supposedly Periyar
represents.Everybody knows how the "Thaztta Patta Pirivinar" , as they
are called get into colleges.These people get into colleges with 35%
and all they do is to screw up thw whole damn system.It is not the
irrational stupidity of the vedas which make people hate tamils, but
the stupidity of the dravidians to produce doctors and engineers who
are not even qualified to enter colleges, that makes people hate
tamils.
	It is dravidians like karunanidhi whom people hate, not
brahmins. It is dravidians like stalin who have been involved in riots
and arson and not brahmins, which make people hate tamils.

	So Mr.Kathirvan Krishnamuthi, think of the facts before you
blame evry damn problem of the tamils on the Brahmins.

rammohan


  





Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: shiva@b30.ingr.com (Shiva Shivakumar)
Subject: Re: tamilnadu pOkkuvaraththuk kazhagangal
Keywords: TPTC,MPTC,CTC,NTC,PTC etc
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:17:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.214755.10868@menudo.uh.edu> aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna) writes:
>
	List of transport corporations deleted.
>  
>(1) Have I left something?
>(2) What is the connection between Chidambaram and Periyar?
>(3) What is the connection between Vellore and pattukkOttai Azhagiri?
>(4) Can anybody brief the importance of dheeran chinnamalai,
>    rani mangammAl, nEsamani?
>  (This may look silly. Really I don't know anything about them)
>(5) Eventhough I've heard of maruthu pandiar and jeeva, I'd like
>    to know more about them.
>(6) Are kamarAj, rAjaji names used for any transport corporations?
>    If not, why? And how they are inferior compared to pattukOttai
>    azhagiri?
>

	I do not know about Kamaraj, I can think of ONE reason why Rajaji
is inferior !

Any guess, netters ??

Jagadisan Shivakumar
>Cheers,
>Venkat
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From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Subject: Re: Sati (was: Re: Some comments on articles on Kanchi Aacharya)
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:43:45 GMT

In article <MANI.92Aug19120031@aix.Berkeley.EDU> mani@sprite.Berkeley.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.155510.24518@wuecl.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
>    The first comment is very male-chauvinistic. In Brahminism,
>    if one's wife dies, he is not burned with his wife. But,
>    if one's husband dies, she is burned ( or forced to be
>    burned ) alongwith her husband.
>
>I don't want to continue this pointless thread much longer, but
>why do you call this practice ``Brahminism''? Do you know any
>brahmins who *practiced* it or who *practice* it now? Did you
>know that many non-brahmin communities have done this over the
>years? I for one have *never* heard of any south Indian,
>brahmin or non-brahmin practice this abhorrent tradition.  I
>don't think it's a uniquely ``brahmin'' idea, and the
>literature indicates that it is a cross-cultural phenomenon,
>not unique to any community.
>
>So please, attack the tradition, but don't smear an entire
>community at the same time! Our society has been male
>chauvinistic in its entireity, not just in its brahmin section.
>
> Mani

   The confusion here is that you mistake Brahminism with
 Brahmins.      
   Did I say that all Brahmins support sati ? In my article,
 I added that this practise is rarely practised in our
 country. 
   `Sati' seems to me an Aryan practice. You will find in
 Ramayana and Mahabharata many incidents of `sati' and these
 scriptures support manu-dharma-sastra. Paandu's second wife
 commits sati after his death in Mahabharata and in Ramayana,
 Dasaradha's third wife Sumitra commits sati after his death.
 Only Brahminism ruled in both epics if you care to check
 them. Dasardha and Pandu are Kshatriyas yet they followed
 the Manu-dharma-sastra , a Brahministic work. A good question
 is whether sati is supported in Manu-dharma-sastra. It can
 be checked.
   Regarding your comment, 
 > our society has been male chauvinistic in its entirety,
 > not just in brahmin section,
  I take it that you are adding a comment to my article and
 not a correction to my article. [ In my article, I only
 criticized Jayendra Saraswathi's first comment as male-
 chauvinistic. ]                               
 
                                                S.Pandian.
                                        sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu
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From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: Great hits of Kannadhaasan (Irukkum idaththai vittu.......)
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 23:18:31 GMT

A tribute to "Kaviyarasu" Kannadhaasan
--------------------------------------

Irukkum idaththai vittu illaatha idam thedi
engaengoe alaikindraar nyaanath thangamae
Avar aethum ariyaaradi nyaanath thangamae

(Irukkum idaththai vittu....)

Unnaiyae ninaiththiruppaan unmaiyai thaan uraippaan
oorukku pakaiyaavaan nyaanath thangamae
Avan oozhninai enna sollvaen nyaanath thangamae ! nyaanath thangamae !

(Irukkum idaththai vittu .....)

Nanchinai nenchil vaiththu naavinil anbu vaiththu
nallavan poll nadippaar nyaanath thangamae
Avan naadakam enna sollvaen nyaanath thangamae ! nyaanath thangamae !

(Irukkum idaththai vittu.....)

Thondukkendrae alaivaan kaelikku aalaavan
kandu kolvaai avanai nyaanath thangamae
Avan kadavulil paadhi adi nyaanath thangamae ! nyaanath thangamae !

(Irukkum idaththai vittu .....)

Pillaiyai killi vittu thottilai aatti vittu
thalli nindrae sirippaan nyaanath thangamae
Avan thaan tharaniyai padaiththaandi nyaanath thangamae !  
                                             nyaanath thangamae !

(irukku idaththai vittu .....)


THIRAIPPADAM : Thiruvarutchelvar

PADIYAVAR    : Sirkazhi S. Govindarajan


Anbudan,

V R Kumar


"Vaazhga Thamizh, Vaazhga Vaiyagam, Vaazhga Valamudan"
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From: rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Poem on caste wars on the net
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:05:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Aug19.200551.8070
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <1992Aug19.161621.15077@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> babu@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Natarajan Sureshbabu) writes:
>This poem is written in the same style as
>'pidiyathan uruvamai koLamiku...'
>posetd by Vicky. 
>
>The poem addresses Su-brahman-ya, who married Valli, a tribal.
>
>Here we go,
>
>MaRaiyinai pidithavar malaiyinum uyarvena
>paRaiyinai pidithavar palarinum kuRaivenaa
>uraithathu kuRamagal iRaivanO?  madayarO?
>muRaiyidum enadhidar tholaithidu Murugoy!
>
>
>BTW, will some knowledgeable netter let me know if
>this is Asiriyappa or Kalippa? I only know that
>it is not veNpa. Note that it uses only 
>'karuviLam' 'chIr', except the last word.
>Can someone post the different yAppilakkanams?
>
>Thanks,
>Suresh [ the part-time poet ] babu
>
>engaL vAzhvum engal vaLamum mangadha thamizh enRu changE muzhangu.

From my memory banks:- to identify a chir:-
NEr Ner - theMA
nirai Ner-puliMA
Ner nirai -karuvilam
nirai nirai-kuvilam------Is this correct ?

Now to come to your question:-

According to Prof. Ganasundaram, there are 20 syllabic sequences that can
be attributed to kalivirrutam as can be seen in religious hymns.Some eg.
are

vilam vilam vilam vilam
vilam vilam vilam ma
ma ma ma vilam
vilam vilam ma ma
.......

The various syllabic sequences in aciriyaviruttam depends on which kind as
the prof. categorises them as six, seven, eight feet viruthams which are
ofcourse derivative metres.
 some eg.s 
ma ma ma ma ma ma
vilam ma ma vilam ma ma
kay kay kay kay ma ma

So I hope U can work it out:-) I feel that Yours can be called as kallippa.


-----------
For the benefit for some:- 
Tamil prosody of sangam as well as mideval age basically is set in four
main metres as explained in Tolkappiyam. They are asiriyam, venpa, vancippa
and kalippa. The first and last were the widely used during renassinace
period of 6-900AD. There are other sub categories and derivatives. With such
strict rules, one can do nothing but wonder at the scholarship of
saiva/vaisnava saints when hearing their songs set to music.  

raghavan
From: raman@cs.utexas.edu (Raman Rajagopalan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Please be accurate to avoid flame wars.
Date: 18 Aug 1992 19:33:22 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <Bt6x0K.Cpw@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> crathina@ritchie.uwaterloo.ca (C Rathinavelu) writes:
>In <1992Aug18.041123.23620@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU> kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar) writes:
>
>>In article <l908k1INNcvu@aludra.usc.edu> rammohan@aludra.usc.edu (Karthikeyan Rammohan) writes:
 >
>             Do you think that getting high marks ( as bramins and other 
>fc people usually do ) in the subjects/studies means you are 100% fit for
>getting admitted to professional colleges? If it is then that is why our
>(your) people are not able to shine well in western countries. Pure theoretical
>knowledge doesn't help for long term. One should also have some practical 
>knowledge. In my opinion one should not be given admission to any colleges
>based purely upon ones marks/grades.  
>
>Guindian,
>C.RATHINAVELU
>

I presume you refer to brahmins when you say "you people".  Considering that
Indian students have a damn good reputation in the US, and that indians
tend to be among the better preformers in jobs, I would says INDIANS in general
have done well abroad.  I have lived in the states since the 4th standard,
and I know that indians have a reputations for being brainy here in the US.

Now, when it comes to engineering, when you consider that up until a few
years ago, most of the students coming aboard from India were brahmins,
I would say that the brahmin record has helped others gain entry to the
US by associating brain power with students of indian origin.

- raman rajagopalan



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