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From: shack@cs.arizona.edu (David Shackelford)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Eat when and what you want
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:58:01 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

OAIn article <1992Nov16.215331.16668@ttinews.tti.com> frank@trout.TTI.COM (Lorraine Frank) writes:
 >Here is a data point in the "eat when and what you want".
 >
 >My children have friends that when they come to my house
 >assume that my house is as theirs and they can eat when 
 >and what they want and just help themselves.  I gently
 >remind them that they are welcome to have whatever they
 >like they must ask for it first.  Unfortunely since they
 >don't spend a great amount of time at my house we are always
 >going back to square one.

Just curious, what age are these friends?  Have you communicated your
desire that they ask for things to their parents?  This doesn't need
to be made a big deal, possibly just a passing comment.  It also
doesn't need to be negative...

 >I am of the opinion that children will eat when they are ready
 >but I also believe that it is my responsiblity to teach them they
 >can't always run and play when it is suppertime just because they
 >aren't hungry.  The rule at my house is "If you aren't hungry, that
 >is fine then don't eat it but you must sit down quietly with us
 >while we are eatting"  

This is an excellent combination of standards.  You can't force
a child to eat what she doesn't want, but can expect her to be
considerate of others' needs.

 >  I always put a plate of whatever we are having
 >and sometimes they eat and sometimes they don't.  I do try and limit
 >sweets but not to a great extent.  If they choose not to eat dinner
 >they may have apples, carrots etc with peanut butter or cheese but
 >no candy.

As long as their diet has the right proportions of various
nutrients, doesn't matter much what they eat.

One thing to remember is that later in life (school+) we need to
follow the schedule generally acceptable by society.  I don't know
when or how to start them eating on society's schedule.  Any
suggestions for future reference??

It's very important that they eventually learn to eat lunch at the
scheduled time or go hungry (unless you have a school system that
allows them to eat whenever they want :-)

Dave Shackelford

(To my detractors: A post that doesn't mention that controversial
parenting technique -- how did that happen?? Maybe I'm more than a
single-issue kind of guy...  ;-)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Subject: Re: Nuts and Raffis ?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:49:49 GMT

In article <667@quirm.terminus.ericsson.se> steve@terminus.ericsson.se writes:
>
>In view of the approach of Christmas...
>
>Can anyone please tell me at what age it is considered safe for kids 
>to eat nuts?

I'd like to know too. 

>What the heck is a Raffi?, and why are there 'Raffi-free zones' springing
>up all over the US?


Raffi is a singer.  He sings children's songs.  My daughter loves him
and I like him also.  I suppose if you really didn't like hearing
children's songs you wouldn't like him, but I find him a lot better
than tapes with only children's voices singing.  Not all of his
songs are completely "childish."  He has an environmental tape that
is really nice also.

-- 
riggle@adobe.com
From: kellihmt@daisymae.crd.ge.com (Margaret T Kelliher)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 7 mo old pulling hair
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:47:45 GMT
Reply-To: kellihmt@daisymae.crd.ge.com (Margaret T Kelliher)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

In article <3944@wyse.wyse.com>, donna@wyse.wyse.com (Donna Diloreto
x2231 dept302) writes:
|>OK, I've just about had it!  I'm about ready to make an appointment to get
|>my hair cut off (hair that I've been growing for 3 years because my hubby
|>has this THING about long hair).  At 7 months, Paul still loves to YANK
|>(and I mean really YANK) at my hair to the point of me screaming.   Before
|>I get to the "what-did-you-do-to-your-hair?" stage, can anyone tell me
|>at what age babies STOP pulling mommy's hair?  I've tried putting my
|>hair in a pony tail, but he still manages to grab a few strands.  Any other
|>suggestions will be gladly taken.
|>
|>Donna
|>
|>
            
Try braids. That works pretty well for me. 
You can also put your hair in a bun or a french knot or something
so the kids can't reach it.

Good luck,
Margaret
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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Diapers and the Environment
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:56:07 GMT

bwolfe@trentu.ca (BEN WOLFE) writes:

[ . . . excellent information excluded for brevity . . . ]

>I hope this helps clarify the discussion. As far as the CSA is
>concerned the results are very clear cut in favour of cloth, and
>particularly in favour of diaper services.

Thanks for the information.  Now, if only those of us in the
lower 48 could all recycle as well as our Northern neighbors.

sigh . . . 

allen
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From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: After the Stork Long Underwear
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:40:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.190255.9018@adobe.com> riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle) writes:

>My main gripe with flame retardancy garments is that they are usually
>100% polyester and just don't feel as good as 100% cotton; now I'm at
>a loss.  I don't know if I should dislike these new long john's or
>not!

I think it's a great boon to parents.  If your kid spontaneously
combusts, you won't have to buy new underwear for the next one.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone on this group ever had a child
saved from injury by a flame-resistant garment?  (Friends of friends
don't count.)

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Subject: Brio Compatible Trains (again!)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:57:04 GMT

I was wondering if anyone has purchased Brio compatible trains through
mail-order.  I haven't found compatibles in my area (Northern
California bay area) and I would like to compare.  I bought Rachel a
starter set of Brio trains and frankly, I wasn't that impressed with
the quality.  The bridge really needs to be sanded, for example.
Perhaps I just got a bad set.  We are having fun with the trains,
though, and I,....uh, Rachel (yeah, that's it :-) ) needs a few more
components.

Anyway, if you have purchased compatible through mail-order, could you
tell me what the brand was and if you are happy with it?  I called a
couple of mail order places and asked them what the brands were, but
they were highly offended and didn't give out such information.  I
really don't know why this information should be secret; as I pointed
out to one of the operators, if I ordered the train, I would know what
the brand was when I received it.  I would just prefer to know before
I ordered, so I wouldn't have to sent it back if it wasn't what I
wanted.  She was a little more civil after that.

A misc.kids poster posted a long summary of Brio trains about a year
ago; She  decided to buy Heros and was happy with the quality of it.

Oh, if someone knows where I can find compatibles in the bay area, I'd
appreciate that info also.

I will post a summary.

Thanks!
Kathie
-- 
riggle@adobe.com
From: albert@endor.uucp (David Albert)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Key children", children with parents at work.
Keywords: keychildren
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:21:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Nov19.142135.18208
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

karl@hsr.no (Karl Martin Lund) writes:
>Some friends of mine are working on a papir on what we in Norwegian call
>key-children....

>But these friends suffer from a lack of material....

>BTW, is there an English term for key-children? 

They are known in English (or at least in American) as latchkey children
(the latch is the part of the door that holds it closed until you turn the
key or handle).  There is a large body of literature on latchkey children.
A quick search of Harvard's online library catalog reveals the following
books, but there must be dozens if not hundreds of articles on the subject
in American magazines in the last 10 years:

	"Latchkey Children", Sheldon L. Rothman, 1984.
	"Latchkey Kid", Irene C. Kleeberg, 1985.
	"Family Composition and the Latchkey Child", Patricia Devine-Hawkins,
		1988.
	"Latchkey Children in the Library and Community", Francis S. Dowd,
		1991.

That's just the list of books with latchkey in the *title*.  A subject
search reveals four more books, and 40 journal articles.  If you have
access to telnet, connect to hollis.harvard.edu and perform a search.
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From: kperdue@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com (Karla Perdue)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:28:28 GMT
Subject: Re: RFD/CFD: soc.adoption
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: misc.kids

In article <1992Nov19.200207.24135@mdd.comm.mot.com> gix@mdd.comm.mot.com (Brian Gix) writes:
>This is a formal request for comments to create a group by the name:
>soc.adoption

[deletion]

>Note that this is an attempt to replace alt.adoption which is currently
>being carried at many sites, since there are probably just as many sites which
>carry no alt.* groups. The alt group is now about 10 days old, and has
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^
>seen a good amount of traffic, & I believe has a wide potential audience.

randall-joshua@yale.edu (Joshua Randall) replies:

> Did I read that right?  *Ten* days old and you alread want to form a "soc"
> group?  I really think you ought to wait a *lot* longer than 10 days before
> making this kind of decision.

The problem is that MANY of us, who are interested in this subject, cannot
get access to alt.* groups.  The original proposal was put forward in an
attempt to create a group that we CAN access.

There has been a mailing list on the subject of adoption that has been going
for over a year(?) and has LOTS of traffic.  So there is plenty of proven
interest in the subject.  The thought was to open up the discussion that has
been going on over that mailing list to the entire net.  I like this idea.

My vote: YES to a net group on adoption, with the charter as specified.

As to what that group should be named, I don't know what the "standard" would
say, but IMHO it should have the following characteristics:

  - very widely accessible (certainly more so that alt.*)

  - probably NOT as a sub-group of misc.kids, since many interested people
    are not also interested in children, per say -- they are adoptees, birth
    parents who are not raising kids, people thinking about adoption who are
    not yet involved in raising kids, professionals involved with adoptions,
    etc.

Karla Perdue                 The opinions expressed are strictly my
Mountain View, CA            own and not those of Hewlett-Packard.

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From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Looking for "Gertrude's Secret"
Organization: Transaction Technology, Inc.
Distribution: la
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:19:10 GMT

This is for a friend.

I'm trying to locate a source for a Macintosh pogram called
"Gertrude's Secret".  All I know about it is that it's for
children (the person asking for it is a preschool teacher,
so I'll make a wild guess that it's educational software
aimed at that age group).

If anyone can suggest a source for this (Los Angeles area) I'd
appreciate it.  If you have a copy that you don't want any more,
I'll consider that too, but I won't buy a pirate copy.

Please reply via email.

Thanks.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: 7 mo old pulling hair
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:21:17 GMT
Summary: that explains it...

> OK, I've just about had it!  I'm about ready to make an appointment to get
> my hair cut off (hair that I've been growing for 3 years because my hubby
> has this THING about long hair).  At 7 months, Paul still loves to YANK
> (and I mean really YANK) at my hair to the point of me screaming.   Before
> I get to the "what-did-you-do-to-your-hair?" stage, can anyone tell me
> at what age babies STOP pulling mommy's hair?  I've tried putting my
> hair in a pony tail, but he still manages to grab a few strands.  Any other

Oh!  So that explains why all new mommies who used to have long hair
get it chopped short!  I was always curious about this "phenomenon",
since I've seen it happen so many times!  My hairdresser already bets
when I'll be in to get my long hair chopped off...

Christine
first-time-mom-2-b 1/19/93
also w/hubby who loves my long hair...

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: Baby spitting up
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:55:05 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Nov17.182554.21604@nas.nasa.gov>, choi@win48.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
> A friend of mine has a small baby who spits up LOTS after eating.  He's
> only about 3 months old and has been doing this for a while.  The doctor
> says he looks fine...seems to be gaining weight but poor mom gets
> drenched after almost every feeding.  (He's breastfed).  Anyone else
> have that problem?  Is this something to worry about?

Our son was like that -- we nicknamed him ``Baby Exxon''...  The doctor
told us the same thing, that we shouldn't worry.  He's 3.25 now, and
a little terror.  On the small side, but so's my daughter (probably because
neither my wife nor I are particularly large).
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Subject: Re: Episotomy...What my doctor said...Is this true?  Anyone NOT have one?
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:03:57 GMT

OOH!  I may have been flamed!  Well, singed?

In article <BxtJ9J.6nw@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.151620.7932@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>, sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes...
>>Having had 2 episiotomies that tore (one a 4th degree (i.e. back to the 
>>rectum) and the other 3rd degree (still pretty big)) I thought I'd mention
>>that the episiotomies and tears aren't necessarilay that big a deal.  
>
>No big deal for you.  Not everyone shares your ideas.
>
I didn't mean to imply that it was not something to be avoided.
What I hoped to do was say that, at Brigham and Women's hospital
the episiotomy rate was very high (80%? 90%). 
Since so many women do still get them (and/or tear) I hoped to
emphasize that proper, diligent care may lead to less pain and
a quicker recovery.  If I had used the silly cold packs instead of
real ice, I'd have been in far more pain for far longer.  As it was,
_I_ was able to recover quickly from major tears.  I hope that others
will be able to too.

>>At the end of a long labour I'm willing to trade an episiotomy for 15
>>minutes less pushing.
>
>Since an episiotomy is YOUR PREFERENCE, I'm glad your birth 
>experience was handled accordingly.  
>
>My problem is that (barring medical emergency) episiotomy is NOT MY 
>PREFERENCE, and I will most likely have one against my will, if I 
>stay with this doctor.
>

No, but as I pointed out the first epis was to get a vacuum extractor in there.
I'd had the shakes for several hours, the epidural didn't work (except to
slow my labour so much that pitocin was needed), and was, quite literally
exhausted after 2 hours of pushing (and I'm a GOOD pusher - all my
doctors & nurses tell me so :-)).

With the second, I had a midwife most of the time (or, rather, didn't have
the midwife - just my husband and me most of the time).  She was shared
between 2 labouring women and I seemed less needy.  Towards the end she
called an OB instead (I was running a fever).  While the OB purposely
didn't have me push much "Let your body do it - you don't want to 
get exhausted like last time" she didn't do much to avoid an epis.
I might have gotten by without, but who knows.  I'm kind of "small".
After 3 years of marriage my new OB/GYN asked me if I was a virgin during
an internal exam. :-)

-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com (ALICE BERTELSON X2572 P7331)
Subject: Plane trip
Followup-To: plane trip 
Reply-To: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:49:39 GMT

In article 19227@cas.org, jdb26@YP.sparcm1 (Jeff Bailey) writes:
>We're taking our 15 month old on his first plane trip this weekend.
>I have a feeling it could be 3 hours of hell!!  Any advice on how
>to him occupied or help with ear popping???  I'd like to hear what
>other people's experiences have been.  Even if my fears are realized, it
>will still be better than 2 days in a car!
>
>---
>Jeff Bailey
>Chemical Abstracts Service
>Columbus, OH 43221         INTERNET: jdb26@cas.org
>(614) 447-3600               BITNET: jdb26@cas.bitnet
>
>

What a breeze!! 3 hrs !! Sorry I didn`t mean to pop your anxious bubble..

I have made 2 VERY long plane trips, the first was with my son at 15 mths to ENGLAND
that's a 9 hour flight -luckily it was a night flight and the little angel slept the
whole way.. 

Coming back wasn`t as easy, but a new and busy toy (that he`d never seen before) 
helped alot.  As he no longer had a binky (our word for pacifier) by then we played 
"Let's see who can make the biggest lion roar face and frog noises (that's for the
gulping and swallowing bit)"  It was HYSTERICALLY funny and seemed to amuse those around 
us too (some even joined in!!) and worked wonders with the ears keeping them popped.

The second trip was the saem one with my son (now 3 yrs old) and my daughter at 10 mths
old - She still had teh binky an dutiffuly sucked it taking off and landing and had no 
problems, but what the heck we played the Lion roar and frog noises game anyway as we 
all enjoyed it so much!!  The second trip was better as far as entertainment as Matt
kept Melanie entertained with various faces and stuff!!

I should hope that the 3 hr flight shouldn't be too challenging - have a new toy hidden for 
him and some different finger snacks too... Good luck 

- Often there is also a doting Grandma or parent nearby who will oogle and gaze and keep 
the baby enterained for you too!!

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From: dcleek@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Dick Cleek)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: kid's editor
Date: 19 Nov 1992 17:01:53 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Reply-To: dcleek@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: dcleek@csd4.csd.uwm.edu


FRED is an easy to use PD wordprocessor for elementary ages featuring
large type.
It is available via anonftp from
wuarchive.wustl.edu  in /pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS

enjoy
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hyler@ast.saic.com (Buffy Hyler)
Subject: Re: Baby at the beach - advice requested
Reply-To: hyler@ast.saic.com
Organization: SAIC
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:08:52 GMT

In article 4088@schbbs.mot.com, EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary Beth Northrup) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.231504.9226@osf.org>, mcg@asdf.osf.org (Michael Gross) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> -Any advice for making the most out of taking a 9 month
>> old baby (who can crawl fast and can walk with assistance)
>> to the beach.
>[deleted]
>> P.S.
>> We're going to Florida to visit with family over Christmas.
>> Beach time is _not_ optional :-).
>

>
>You may want to get the kind of hat that has a floppy brim all around and
>has an elastic band that goes around the chin. He probably won't like it,
>but you'll have better luck at keeping it on. A hat is preferable to putting
>suntan lotion on his face - it has a tendency to get in the eyes (a fun
>experience - NOT!). Also, I'd keep a t-shirt on him to protect his back
>and tummy from the sun.

I just thought I'd mention that I saw a display late last summer for a
"No More Tears" type kids suntan lotion.  I wanted to buy some but the
slot for that type was all sold out. Sorry, I don't remember the brand
name, but the stores around Florida should have some.  (It was a major
brand).

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Buffy Hyler (hyler@ast.saic.com)
SAIC, Campus Point
San Diego, California
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: barb@sq.sq.com (Barbara Burrows)
Subject: Re: Episotomy...What my doctor said...Is this true?  Anyone NOT have one?
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:53:40 GMT

In article <17492@pitt.UUCP> pollack@cs.pitt.edu (Martha E. Pollack) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Nov16.151620.7932@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>, sgauch@ccs.nort
>heastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes...
>>>Having had 2 episiotomies that tore (one a 4th degree (i.e. back to the 
>>>rectum) and the other 3rd degree (still pretty big)) I thought I'd mention
>>>that the episiotomies and tears aren't necessarilay that big a deal.  
>>
>In article <BxtJ9J.6nw@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy B
>rown) writes:
>>No big deal for you.  Not everyone shares your ideas.
>
>
>I just want to back up Susan's posting.  I doubt that anyone wants to
>have an episiotomy, but let's face it, for all kinds of reasons many
>of us end up with them.  Before my daughter was born, I was, frankly,
>terrified of getting an episiotomy.  It was probably THE aspect of

And I just want to back up your posting backing up Susan's posting.  I too
was dreading the possibility of an episiotomy.  The amount of time spent
on this in misc.kids probably means most women worry about this - a lot.
But, it really isn't a big deal....or wasn't for me anyway.  Jordan was
a mid-forceps delivery and I had an episiotomy.  When I asked my Doctor
how many stitches....she said I didn't want to know....let's just call
it one BIG stitch.  She spent quite a while stitching me up...I really
didn't notice...I had my beautiful baby in my arms.  And, that was all
that mattered.

Healing time?  Ice packs the night he was born (I was asleep and didn't
really notice or mind them) and the next day (which I found soothing).
Sitz (sp?) baths with warm water and salt for four or five days after.
There was some tenderness for a couple of weeks.  But nothing to be
outraged about.  Your mind really is on many other things.  

Now, a year a month later.....the only thing I remember is the relief
of having him in my arms (after 19.5 hours)....and the wonderful caring
nurses....and the gorgeous fall day we brought us home....and just the
joy and wonder of him.

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