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From: perry_b@verifone.com (Perry J. Bird - JAYBIRD )
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Hand Injuries (was: Games per week)
Date: 5 Apr 92 22:35:47 HST
Organization: VeriFone (UK) Ltd

In article <0caoiB1w164w@bluemoon.rn.com>, djredick@bluemoon.rn.com (Darrin J. Redick) writes:
> chars@orinoco.engin.umich.edu (Christopher Michael Grulke) writes:
> 
[Old stuff deleted]
> 
> Well, myself, I bowl once a week, 3 games.  Anymore than that, and I
> risk injury to myself.  Bowled 11 games last Friday (the last Friday in
> March, whatever date that was), and I paid the price later.  My thumb
> swelled 200%, and the ball tore the skin off the top of the thumb.  It
> was swollen for 3 days afterwards.  This, combined with a pinched nerve
> in the thumb, makes for a shot thumb.

 Sounds to me like either a) your ball is drilled all wrong or b) you're 
 doing something _very_ wrong with your release and/or grip.  No way should
 you get that kind of damage unless something is seriously awry.

> 
> I could USED to bowl 11 games a day and it wouldn't faze me.  But after
> I stopped doing that for awhile, I found that I could bowl no more than
> once a week without any ill effects.  In my short career (this is my 5
> (5th) season, and I have seen my average fall from a high of 183 (last
> season) to 164 this season, mostly due to the lane conditions.  I've had
> a high game of 264 and a high series of 703, both sanctioned.  I'm on the
> verge of getting my 2nd High Handicap Series trophy.  I'm not yet good 
> enough for scratch leagues.  Perhaps in 5 more years...

  ...if you still have the use of your thumb..		;-)

 Or maybe after you stopped bowling awhile, your thumb / fingers / hand
 changed?  Did  you put on / lose much weight before you returned to bowling?
 Just my opinion, but I'd say your declining average has more to do with
 your thumb problems than with the lane conditions;  I'd recommend you see
 your pro-shop (driller) ASAP, before you do some _permanent_ damage to
 yourself!  With a correctly-fitting ball, you should be able to bowl until
 you drop and not get undue hand trouble.  Same advice goes to all 
 newcomers - correct ball fit is _vital_ if you are not to injure yourself, or
 worse-  cause permanent damage, _especially_ for youngsters whose bones are
 still growing.

 I felt I had to post this followup, lest any inexperienced readers of this 
 newsgroup might run away with the idea that such injuries to the thumb are 
 _normal_; they are _not_.  They are an indication that something is wrong 
 and should be corrected as soon as possible.

-- 
Perry J. Bird - Support Services Manager,  VeriFone (UK) Limited.
                via VeriFone Inc, Mililani, Hawaii, U.S.A.
From: gah@zoo.bt.co.uk (Geoff A Hopson)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: team names...
Date: 11 Apr 92 11:05:30 GMT
Reply-To: gah@zoo.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Laboratories

In article 18918@gould.encore.com, jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa) writes:
>About 8 years ago I was in a scratch league, and my team of five all happened
>to be guys, and we all threw pretty good hooks.  Thus I came up with the team
>name...
>
>			The Male Hookers
>
>Haven't been able to top that!
>
>Slumping down to 181,
>
>Joe Sosa
>

In my Tuesday night team, we have a left hand hooker, 3 right hand hookers and 
a "straight"(!) bowler - we're called "Oddballs".

On Wednesday, I am in a different team of wildly varying standard, so we named
ourselves "Epitomy of Luck".

Geoff
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: schalene@sequent.com
Subject: Re: team names...
Organization:  Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 14:05:11 GMT

In article <21074@hacgate.UUCP> locke@caesi.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke) writes:
>
>How about getting a new thread going here for the "recreational" type
>bowlers on the net?  Coming up with a good team name is always a
>challenge (especially getting everybody to agree on it!).
>
>Question: What do you call your bowling team(s)?
>
>Mine are:  Pairastrika     (Wed. night)
>     and   3 Buds & a Lite (Sun. night) 
>
The last one reminds me of our team name 3 Rights & A Left. (I'm the
lefty).  We also have "3 Dudes and Pat."


Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Subject: Re: Ball Release
News-Software: NN 6.4.16
Reply-To: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Organization: Encore Computer Corp
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:03:05 GMT

In <2146@cypress.UUCP> skb@ute-cmi.ctcpc.cypress.com (Scott Butler, MN, x5036, (612) 894-6562) writes:

| Does anyone else use this technique?  Does anyone use it for an inside shot?
| Did I really see some pros doing it, or was it my imagination?  
| 

When I was younger it was just a habit I got into.  I really wanted to get
some massive hook out of the ball, and with the position I was holding the ball
(it wasn't abnormal) it just happened that my pinky would be tucked under the
ball.  I kept on joking that I would cut it off cause it only was getting in
the way.

Now, though, I throw a side-weight blue Nitro.  I get this sucker to really 
hook, but I don't want the massive hook as I did when I was young.  But now
I don't tuck my pinky, I do get a little more control and better loft on
my follow-through.  But if I ever got in a cranking mood (that's cranking not
cranky), I really don't now, I would probably tuck that pinky again.

Hmmmm.... I'll try it tomorrow.

Slumping down to 182,

Joe Sosa

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From: dengland@moritz.intel.Com (David England~)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: team names...
Date: 1 Apr 92 20:56:37 GMT
Reply-To: dengland@moritz.intel.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel Corporation
Originator: dengland@moritz


In article <21074@hacgate.UUCP>, locke@4ccvsh.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke) writes:
|> 
|> How about getting a new thread going here for the "recreational" type
|> bowlers on the net?  Coming up with a good team name is always a
|> challenge (especially getting everybody to agree on it!).
|> 
|> Question: What do you call your bowling team(s)?
|> 
|> Mine are:  Pairastrika     (Wed. night)
|>      and   3 Buds & a Lite (Sun. night) 
|> 
|> The former makes a quasi-political statement, while the latter just
|> makes it a heck of a lot easier to order a round of drinks! 8*)
|> 
|> Cheers!
|> Anne.

My team name is IITYWIMWYBMAP. 

(You don't understand this? - If I tell you what it means will you buy me a
pitcher?)

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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: simpson@moonchild.rtp.dg.com (Guy Simpson)
Subject: Re: Lane Checking - 300 Game
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 13:26:52 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <#Rg+!C_@engin.umich.edu>, chars@fats.engin.umich.edu (Christopher Michael Grulke) writes:

Well, I was going to let this thread die, but I cannot resist this one.

|> 
|>    As for anyone shooting 900 being ridiculous, I don't agree.  I know of 
|> several people who are very capable of hitting 900.  

This statement is rediculous.  If you know of "several" people who are capable
of hitting a 900, then I hope they are making over $100,000 a year throwing
a bowling ball.  Anyone who is that good, that they are capable of throwing
a 900 series, has got to be one of the best bowlers in the world.

|> The only thing that
|> makes it so hard is the fact that not only do you have to throw the ball
|> in the pocket every time, you also have to carry.  

Chris, have you ever thrown a 300 game?  There is something called nerves that
come into play.  Sure, it's easy to throw the ball into the pocket when you
are not working on anything, but if you have a 300 on the line, it gets a 
little bit tougher.  Most people crumble under the pressure of a 300 game, I
simply cannot even imagine the pressure of a 900 series.  

It's kind of like throwing a 279 game where you only miss one shot in frames
3-10.  It always amazes me when someone says "ooohhhhh, you came so close to
a 300 game."  My response is NOT!!!  Once you miss, the pressure is off.  The
rest are alot easier.

|> I personally have gone
|> an entire series not missing the pocket, but I don't carry every time.
|> 

And don't you think the conditions of the lanes you were bowling on had
something to do with this?  For someone to go an entire night without 
missing the pocket either 1 of 2 things must be true:

	1. you are one heck of a bowler and I'll be looking for you on
	   ABC's bowling telecasts in a couple of years.

	2. you are a very good bowler that is bowling on a high scoring
	   condition.

I'm not going to say which one you are, because I don't know you.  However,
the great majority of high average bowlers fall into catagory number 2.
Those that are catagory number 1 are either making a living at bowling,
or should be.

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From: skb@ute-cmi.ctcpc.cypress.com (Scott Butler, MN, x5036, (612) 894-6562)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Ball Release
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:35:55 GMT
Reply-To: skb@ute-cmi.ctcpc.cypress.com
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Inc.

I watched a little PBA on tv and I think I spotted 2 of the bowlers
tucking their bent pinky finger under the ball.  It was hard to tell
because the network thought I was more interested in the bowlers
faces or the score constantly super-imposed over the bowlers as they
bowled.

Anyway I tried this next chance I got, and it seemed to work well with
me.  I had to put a bandaid over the last knuckle of my pinky for 
padding because it hurt at first.  Know that I have done it for more that
a couple of weeks, my pinky seems to be adjusting and the padding is
optional.

I find that my hook is a little more consistant with this release.  I throw
an outside shot (usually) with a pretty pronounced hook.  Using this release
I seem to throw less wild shots that miss way to the left.

Does anyone else use this technique?  Does anyone use it for an inside shot?
Did I really see some pros doing it, or was it my imagination?  

If anyone knows of this technique and can offer advice as to what to watch out
for or how to adjust it, I would greatly appreciat hearing from you.
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: bkg@ssd.kodak.com (Ben K Gibson)
Subject: Excalibur Rumors....
Originator: bkg@earth
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 12:02:49 GMT

The Excalibur... The hook'nst ball in the land... Simply awsome... or is it?
I have heard from a very reliable source that the New Excalibur (now made in
mass production by Columbia) has QA problems in production. This has meant
that the ball is not as awsome as the first 3000 made by the inventor in his
basement (Specifically, concerns about consistancy in the ball's surface.)
The Pros at the US Open this year aren't using it. (If they are,
they have the one of the first 3000 or they are sponsored by Columbia 300.)
 
This doesn't mean I don't think its a good ball, I think the design is very
innovative (Like the Gyroscope WB in the Phantom). I'm just going to wait
until the QA problems have been proven untrue or are corrected (By asking 
people who've bought
one from the new batch how they like it). Meanwhile, I'll stay with my Turbo's
(Black and Saphire).

Let me know what you've heard....
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KK Kodak  Eastman Kodak Company                   Phone:  (716)588-4313
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: dfo@csi.compuserve.com (Duane Ott)
Subject: Re: Hitting the thumb hole
Organization: CompuServe Incorporated
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:09:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.063408.4019@verifone.com> perry_b@verifone.com (Perry J. Bird - JAYBIRD ) writes:
>I've noticed that the first few shots I throw always track a nice
>semi-roller, but as I warm up, the track tends to get higher and higher,
>and I then find myself trying various hand positions at stance, swing and
>release to try and correct this, which is spoiling my consistency (I am
>thinking about this and often forget to aim!!!) 
>

The only thing I can think of is maybe as you warm up your thumb goes up a 
little (which is common) and therefore your thumb release is a little later.
Maybe try taking out a bit of tape after you're warmed up.

The other problem that usually makes me hit the thumb hole is turning around
the ball prematurely at the release.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: simpson@moonchild.rtp.dg.com (Guy Simpson)
Subject: Re: Hand Injuries (was: Games per week)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 17:26:11 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <1992Apr8.162631.22981@ee.rochester.edu>, cherkaue@ee.rochester.edu (Brian Cherkauer) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr8.134040.3100@alf.uib.no> s332@brems.ii.uib.no (Gard Samsonsen) writes:
|> >
|> >   In my local bowling alley you can either play with a private
|> >   ball, or use the balls available there.
|> >   Since there must be at least 100 different balls there,
|> >   I am sure that one of them fits me.
|> 
|> Actually, I'd say there's a much much higer probability (very close to certain) that
|> none of the balls will fit you.  


Lots of good stuff about why a house ball will not fit you deleted.

|> 
|> -Brian

I agree with everything that Brian has stated, but would like to add
one more thing.  Even if by some chance you were to find a house ball that
by some miracle fits you, what is the chance of finding that same ball every 
time you bowl? Also, how about if you want to bowl at a different bowling 
alley?

As previously stated, throwing a bowling ball that does not fit properly puts 
alot of strain on your hand.  Constantly changing that strain by using
different balls that do not fit only compounds the problem.

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From: perry_b@verifone.com (Perry J. Bird - JAYBIRD )
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Hitting the thumb hole
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:34:07 HST
Organization: VeriFone (UK) Ltd

I'm recently having some problems with my Ball track coming up over the 
thumb hole.  My ball is a blue Hammer, fingertip grip, with 1/2 oz positive 
side and 1/4 finger weight.  I use a Mongoose wrister, and my four step 
approach is apparently (I'm told) well-timed.  I generally hold and swing 
the ball with my fingers pointing straight, but rotate my hand just before 
release.

I realise that we all do this sometimes, and that rolling over the thumb 
hole is not always such a big deal, but I'd like to fix it just the same 
:-)

I've noticed that the first few shots I throw always track a nice
semi-roller, but as I warm up, the track tends to get higher and higher,
and I then find myself trying various hand positions at stance, swing and
release to try and correct this, which is spoiling my consistency (I am
thinking about this and often forget to aim!!!) 

Anyone out there had this problem, and solved it? If so, what was your
solution? 
-- 
Perry J. Bird - Support Services Manager,  VeriFone (UK) Limited.
                via VeriFone Inc, Mililani, Hawaii, U.S.A.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com ()
Subject: Re: New ball prices...
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:06:12 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Colorado Springs Information Technology Center

Sumo is running around $149

Purple Hammer is around $140

Only ones I know right off hand... (Since I have bought those two recently)
-- 
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Telnet: 590-2777  -  (719) 590-2777
From: ualxn@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Alex)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Why do people hook the ball?
Date: 11 Apr 92 06:58:45 GMT

In <1992Apr10.135939.7552@sequent.com> schalene@sequent.com writes:

>In article <1992Mar26.145531.2628@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> xtap@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tony Peacock) writes:

>>Be REAL about #2.  I know for a fact quite a few bowlers you bowl a straight
>>ball and average over 150.  It is true they leave more splits than average
>>bowler who hooks the ball.  Besides, go to a youth league sometimes and see
>>how many kids are rolling/throwing a straight ball and average that!  Some
>>people just refuse to think some things only work ONE WAY!  Yes I do hook
>>the ball, but I can roll/throw a straight with the best of them!  

I bowl a straight ball and I've done so for years, with a 165 or better avg.
On the first game of the new season here, I bowled a 221 thanks to a string
of six strikes through the middle of the game.  I think that it just boils
down to practice, concentration, and consistency.

And don't forget to have fun.


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From: bbaker@cbmvax.commodore.com (Bob Baker)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Ball Release
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:09:34 GMT
Reply-To: bbaker@cbmvax.commodore.com (Bob Baker)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <2146@cypress.UUCP> skb@ute-cmi.ctcpc.cypress.com writes:
> I watched a little PBA on tv and I think I spotted 2 of the bowlers
> tucking their bent pinky finger under the ball.  It was hard to tell
> because the network thought I was more interested in the bowlers
> faces or the score constantly super-imposed over the bowlers as they
> bowled.
> 
> Anyway I tried this next chance I got, and it seemed to work well with
> me.  I had to put a bandaid over the last knuckle of my pinky for 
> padding because it hurt at first.  Know that I have done it for more that
> a couple of weeks, my pinky seems to be adjusting and the padding is
> optional.
> 
> I find that my hook is a little more consistant with this release.  I throw
> an outside shot (usually) with a pretty pronounced hook.  Using this release
> I seem to throw less wild shots that miss way to the left.
> 
> Does anyone else use this technique?  Does anyone use it for an inside shot?
> Did I really see some pros doing it, or was it my imagination?  
> 
> If anyone knows of this technique and can offer advice as to what to watch out
> for or how to adjust it, I would greatly appreciat hearing from you.

I've been using this 'technique' for several years and my average has gone up
about 10 pins overall. I was having trouble with unequal lift on my fingers and
the tucked pinky seems to generate more lift on the ring finger, thus balancing
out my lift. I normally only use this position for strike shots and go back to
a normal hand position for my spares. I use this release for just about any
line, inside or out.

On the other hand, I've gone away from the softer ball and gone to a 
Pearl U2.  My soft black U2 would hit like a freight train when it was in 
the pocket, but it was sometimes difficult to find the correct line to the
pocket. With the pearl, I can consistently hit the pocket and now concentrate
on hand position and/or speed to get the appropriate carry.

Current averages are in the 185-190 range, with a few peaks around 200 once
in awhile with three leagues per week.
From: perry_b@verifone.com (Perry J. Bird - JAYBIRD )
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Hitting the thumb hole NOT!!
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:18:03 HST
Organization: VeriFone (UK) Ltd

In article <1992Apr10.000948.6712@csi.compuserve.com>,
dfo@csi.compuserve.com (Duane Ott) writes: 

> In article <1992Apr7.063408.4019@verifone.com> perry_b@verifone.com
(Perry J. Bird - JAYBIRD ) writes: 

>>I've noticed that the first few shots I throw always track a nice
>>semi-roller, but as I warm up, the track tends to get higher and higher,
>>and I then find myself trying various hand positions at stance, swing and
>>release to try and correct this, which is spoiling my consistency (I am
>>thinking about this and often forget to aim!!!) 
>>
> 
> The only thing I can think of is maybe as you warm up your thumb goes up a 
> little (which is common) and therefore your thumb release is a little later.
> Maybe try taking out a bit of tape after you're warmed up.

  BULLSEYE!  (Well, an 'outer', anyway..).  In fact, what solved the
problem was enlarging my thumbhole a little.  Seems that it fitted
perfectly when starting bowling, but as I warmed up, it became too tight
(but only just, not enough to cause any pain).  The situation now is that I
need tape in for the first 5 or 6 frames, or so, but then can remove it.  I
guess this is probably the "correct" situation, just wish I'd realised it
earlier. 

  Thanks to all who replied, it was all good advice - just shows the value 
of the net!  A particular thank you to Duane - after changing my ball, I 
yesterday rolled 1227 in six games, with 627 for the first three, including 
a 259 in the second game.  My best ever average over a set of six.  The 
other big plus was the joy of watching my blue Hammer do what it was 
designed to do - hook late and HARD and give me a game with 10 solid pocket 
strikes!

-- 
Perry J. Bird - Support Services Manager,  VeriFone (UK) Limited.
                via VeriFone Inc, Mililani, Hawaii, U.S.A.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 15:16:59 EDT
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Team Names

A couple seasons ago I thought up a fabulous team name.  I haven't formed
a new team since then to be able to actually use it.  I do hold all
copyrights and trademarks for this name.  So, although everyone is allowed
to know it, none of you better steal my team name!

"Stealth Bowlers" -- even the pins don't know were here!  (c) tm


My Wednesday team is named "Mortals" which seems to get some interesting
reactions.  I hold no creative rights to this name.