HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Re: tearoom sex and bathroom police
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1993Jan12.025337.4855@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:32:07 GMT

Anthony Berno (aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca) writes:

   In article <1993Jan11.153016.18746@lclark.edu> snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil  
   Snodgrass) writes:
   > 
   > But I as a person in the Gay community hope to hell we don't waste 
   > any or our resources on protecting bathrooms for sex.

   I have a *bit* of a problem with this, in that it too easily extends to  
   statements like "I hope we don't waste any of our resources in protecting  
   S/M freaks" or drag queens or bestialists or whatever.

   The problem is that, if we cross too many people off of our "worth  
   protecting" list, there won't be anyone left to protect.

   The people we need to protect are those who are suffering unjust  
   punishment for "crimes" that are of no consequence, such as sexual acts in  
   private or highly secluded areas.

I take what you're saying as supportive of my original post.  Thanks.
But... 

Maybe we need to empower all sorts of people to protect themselves and
get away from the idea that _we_ have to protect anybody.  If
_we_ means those who are out, perhaps the best thing for _us_ to do is
drop the patronizing tone and stop holding _our_ noses and admit that
_they_ are _we_.  

   At the same time, we need to differentiate these from acts which are  
   actually antisocial, such as the sexual harrassment of straight men. The  
   degree to which these acts occur is an open question; it might actually be  
   quite rare. When they do occur, however, it should be obvious that they  
   are not worth defending. 

   It is important to make this distinction; too often, our fight against  
   injustice is construed to be a defense of the antisocial, such as in the  
   defense of persons entraped in bathrooms. This is does *not* make for good  
   PR.

Organized groups have a limited amount of political capital to spend.
There are so many ongoing problems that affect so many (AIDS, bashing,
domestic partnership, etc.), I think it is incredible for those groups
to spend that capital on something that probably affects fewer people
and has bad PR to overcome (e.g., the MOW and transgender issues).
Welcome, but incredible. 

--
Tim Wilson
Internet:  tim@ear-ache.mit.edu	
UUCP:  mit-eddie!mit-athena!tim
Bad Colorado.  No business.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: an4782@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Re: Blood donations at UCLA
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.motss
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:03:00 GMT

Talking of overkill, in the UK one of the questions they ask is "Have you
had sex with anyone from Africa since 1976?" or similar, I forget exactly.
I don't know if you would be barred from donating if you say yes, but the
question is just so incredibly over-the-top
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From: kristi@arbs1.larc.nasa.gov (Kristi Skeens)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: HEY WOMYN!!!  Favorite Womyn's Perfume choices..
Date: 8 Jan 1993 20:21:22 GMT
Organization: NASA-Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kristi@arbs1.larc.nasa.gov (Kristi Skeens)
NNTP-Posting-Host: arbs1.larc.nasa.gov

In article <1993Jan6.171404.2578@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, kjc7435@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.J. Cater) writes:
|> Hey---what about us womyn???   What is YOUR favorite perfume on a womon?
|> (ladies answer only please!!).  Me being the femme I am I have many many
|> perfumes, but my favorites on a woman are oil of jasmine, Intimate, and


My favorite on myself and others is Clinique's Aromatics Elixir...or as I like
to call it Aromatics Shelixir...get it?...B)

special K
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: crabs (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:35:51 GMT

Honey, haven't you ever played with hot wax before?

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico
      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
	  S7/9 g++l+(+)y++z++/--(++!!!)o+(+)x+a++uv(++)j+
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Subject: Re: Unvarying standards of male unattractiveness
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 15:45:12 GMT

In article <18292@autodesk.COM> mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) writes:
>Or somehow to persuade a jury to dress up as an array of Disney
>characters, and pronounce Caspar Weinberger as...guilty!

Since reading this, I've been haunted by a vision of a jury in twelve
Casper Weinberger masks passing judgment on a six-foot-tall Mickey Mouse.

I've _got_ to get out more.
-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                      brown@Ncoast.ORG
Cleveland, Ohio, USA

"Life!  Don't talk to me about life!"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...)
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:39:28 GMT

In article <76194@apple.apple.COM> brad@Apple.COM (Brad Zaller) writes:

>I was walking through the Castro last weekend, and walked past a Muni
>bus stopped at a red light (at Market street).  Several young (read:
>juvenile) black kids were hanging their heads out of the back window
>of the bus and screaming "faggot", "queer" and other hateful diatribe
>at passers-by, myself included.
>...
>So, my question is, what would *you* have done in this situatation?

"Were you looking for lessons?"

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Date: 8 Jan 1993 14:37:40 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <C0HozE.q8@fig.citib.com> 
glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:

> Watch it.  *Lots* of us were Valley Boys at one
> point.  Toluca Lake/North Hollywood/Burbank area,
> to be exact.

But did you have a choice, or were you there because
your parents lived there?  I was a Valley Boy for
the first 18 years of my life (Van Nuys/North Hollywood
area), but I escaped at the earliest possible moment.
It sounds like *X* chose to live there -- a sure sign
of brain damage. 

Arne
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Please, Guys, What do those Codes Mean!!!
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:59:49 GMT

mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) writes:

>I remember this episode too, in fact, I think it was two of them. I
>remember it distinctly because I only watched the Six Million Dollar
>to see if Lee Majors would have his shirt off. Sure enough, this
>episode showed what a magnificent fur rug he had...

Well, since I'm on this topic anyway, I can't remember this episode
with Sasquatch - there is a lot of 'La Mujer Bionica' which I didn't
see since Cadena Uno would programmed it way past my bedtime until that
changed, but I do remember that the first time Jaime encounterde those
fembots, there were five or six continuing episodes of that storyline.

Am I freaking somebody out yet?
							FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney)
Subject: Re: Stealth camp
Organization: Home of the @&#^%$* Crimson Tide
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:14:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.233132.3976@rigel.econ.uga.edu>
hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes) writes:
 
>  Amidst the usual barrage of nonsense phrases and vapid
>  aphorisms, the following zinger was found in the
>  after dinner cookie at our favorite chinese restaurant:
>
>     :) Generosity and perfection are your
>        everlasting goals  (:
>
>  Wayne
>
My SO adds the phrase "in bed" to the end of every fortune cookie fortune
she reads. She claims it works about 90 percent of the time. It'd certainly
work in this case... ; )
 
Tracey
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:30:42 GMT

In article <mattm-060193132516@mcmelmon.apple.com>, mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> *X*
> (next, you might point out the *JASON* *PRIESTLEY* lives in
> Los Angeles - but that would *really* be going lower than a 
> Squirrel's tail on an interstate...) 

  I'm not certain what "Roadkill Rodent, Protector of the UnderTire"
has to do with this but...

  90210. Beverly, Hills that is. Swimming Pools, and Movie Stars.

  *Smooch*

  Not to mention Dame Edna. Did anybody else see that special last
Saturday? We just happened to be watching the tube before cocktails
were to commence (I even went to the Eagle, it felt so butch yet 
boring) and all I have to say is WHO IS THAT DRAG QUEEN? I've never
even heard of her before, but I have to say that I liked the little
ditty she did with Robin Leach. And Caeser Romero as the butler,
how special.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:54:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan7.005444.7730
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan6.235054.2997@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>    ..."this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this
>    brave o'erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted
>    with golden fire, why, it appears no other thing to me
>    but a foul and pestilent congregation of vapors.  What a
>    piece of work is a man!  How noble in reason! how
>    infinite in faculty! in form, in moving, how express and
>    admirable! in action how like an angel!  in apprehension
>    how like a god!"

Wow, you mustof listened to the _Hair_ album until it was worn out!
Wicked good show; what poetry!  :-)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings)
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...)
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:21:12 GMT

In article <1ifj1hINNqbp@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <C0GAEL.917.2@cs.cmu.edu> 
>zitsky+@CS.CMU.EDU (Mark Ryan Miller) writes:
>
>> Why don't people who are targeted frequently, move to another city
>> or neighborhood?  Why stay where you keep getting harrassed?
>
>I live in a majority gay/lesbian neighborhood in a city
>whose single largest voting block is gay men.  I'm 
>comfortable in my neighborhood.  Why, where would you 
>have me move?  
>*Texas*?
>Arne (getting the lighter fluid ready)

Gotta agree with Arne.  Here in Toronto, the majority of gay bashings 
occur in the primary 'gay area', sort of 6 block x 6 block square 
centered on Church and Wellesley (secondary areas appear at every 
third subway stop -- this is a really gay city).  The bashers don't
live in this area, they just hunt in it.
-paul
-- 
Blew Biyou     S6 b++ g l y+ z+ n+ o+ x+ a-u v+ j+
"Our Father makes art in Heaven, Howard be thy name..."

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: swc@fig.citib.com (Steve Carpenter)
Subject: Re: All Over
Originator: swc@swcdev
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:17:06 GMT


It still never ceases to amaze me, the amount of strength and courage that
some of us have, and the amount of loss some of us have taken.

-- 

Steve Carpenter                                  
5 Jane St.  New York, NY  10014-1934
(212) 691-8547                                  CIS: 70313,122
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Career Change Restricts Access to soc.motss
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:39:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan8.153930.17375
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <C0IBAq.I4z@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
>Hi, Friends --
>
>I'm now a machinist, no longer an engineer here at HP.
>I actually work for 8 hours each day, so I'll be
>a little less visible here, though I'll be able to
>read and post _after_ work. 
>
>The most important part of all this is that I had an 
>excuse to buy some *BIG* *BLACK* *BOOTS* to protect
>my tender tootsies from the *FILTHY* *OILY* *FLOOR*!

-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:18:05 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison

In article <1993Jan5.053651.24919@netcom.com>
foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye) writes:

>I remember when 'Brut' (a truly foul balm now available even

Way too kind.

>at 99 Cent stores) was test marketed in the gay market; it was
>then that I decided that arbitration of taste may be the forte
>of *some* gay men-- but it wasn't pandemic.

A fine example, Howard, of your gift for understatement.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: What to do for NEW YEAR'S EVE in Los Angeles?
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:18:45 GMT

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) wrote: 
->Yes, well... Despite the fact that the crowd (and the
->*decorations*!) at the Lone Star were *incredible* on New Bear's
->Eve [spelling intentional], I thought they were a wee bit
->chintzy.... I mean, every other bar I've ever heard of at least
->gives away a glass of cheap champagne at midnight ...

wrong night for free booze; they had a night not too long before where
(if you were clad in your boxer shorts) you got free drinks at fairly
regular intervals ... an event that was good for everyone.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: The SmurfCode.
Organization: Free Faerie Front
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:36:55 GMT

In article <1id1erINNlc5@smurf.sti.com> dgreen@smurf.sti.com (Dan R. Greening) writes:
>
>...  I have asked the head of the motss cabal to install it
>on the official cabal server.  Until then, here is the Official Smurf Code.

* there * is * no * server *
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Date: Tue,  5 Jan 93 22:48:51 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1id2goINN73k@mizar.usc.edu> <1993Jan5.225600.25862@spdcc.com>
  <1993Jan5.235514.7783@rigel.econ.uga.edu>

Wayne Hughes writes:
>  Actually, for very specific reasons, I would not *dare* wear
>  a cologne.  I've never worn a cologne.
>
>  How does the absence of one strike people?  Just boring?  Or
>  do natural odors (er, fragrances) come through even over a
>  daily bathing routine?

One would hope so.  It's quite delightful.  Not to mention that
a day's worth of sweat is *far* tastier than that horrid aluminum
crap that's in antiperspirant, or the ingredients in any
deodorant or perfume/cologne.

 
() Every person who has mastered a profession is a skeptic
() concerning it.
()      -- George Bernard Shaw
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: dross@cambizola.cs.wisc.edu (Dan Ross)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Stealth camp
Date: 10 Jan 93 02:30:12 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

In <16B511009F.TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu> TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney) writes:
>My SO adds the phrase "in bed" to the end of every fortune cookie fortune
>she reads. She claims it works about 90 percent of the time. It'd certainly
>work in this case... ; )
> 
>Tracey

However, due to this "tradition", I became too embarrassed at lunch (with 
coworkers to whom I had just come out) to share my fortune:

	Behind an able man there are always other able men.

Dan
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Moron At Large
Date: Sat,  9 Jan 93 00:49:44 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan9.050027.12385@macc.wisc.edu> <1993Jan9.075212.25428@netcom.com>

Jack Hamilton writes:
>George doesn't qualify as a queen, even though he certainly fulfills
>criterion #4.

I'd like to know where you get *that* idea, since, as with the
subject that started this whole thread, you've never met me in
person *either*.

>I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to decide which
>of #'s 1, 2, and 3 he doesn't fit.

In *your* under-informed opinion.

-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hutch@ibeam.intel.com (Steve Hutchison)
Subject: Re: Changing standards of skinhead beauty
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:41:29 GMT

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>(Speaking of beauty, is there any way to make hair grow quickly? I
>don't want to make a first impression in training as a (total)
>skinhead...)

Well, you could always get some of that new "head flocking" spray
they're advertising on all the cable stations late at night ...
You know, the "mascara for the top of the head" stuff?  With a
proper stencil you could make a very interesting impression.

Hutch
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Cramer is our problem too.
Date: 05 Jan 93 02:46:18 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.


In article <C03Kx4.K1@exnet.co.uk> 
s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:

> I have got yet more mail asking me to stop posting on Cramer threads.


/(adolphso)
/If you take your "argument" with Cramer out of soc.motss,
/people will stop asking you to stop posting on his threads.


Clayton knows exactly what he is doing, folks.  It's not like he is
some poor, misguided conservative who is just expressing his opinion.
Cramer deliberately and with intentional malice says / does the things
he does in order to get the reaction he wants.  

Clayton feeds off the attention; unless he gets it over in 
alt-something-or-other, he would probably just be back here.

Which makes it sound like the only way to get rid of him is to
ignore him.  



/(s0xjg)
/> The logic seems to be that he is not a motss issue.

/(adolphso)
/He's not a soc.motss issue.  Take it to alt.politics.homosexuality
/or alt.raving.lunatic.

But you know, Cramer pops up a lot.  

I was just wondering:  has anyone written a FAQ on Cramer's assertions?  It 
would seem like a logical thing to do.

With a FAQ, any argument he posted could be rebutted by referring the reader
to Response #4 (or whatever) of the Cramer FAQ.  It would also serve as
a public rebuttal of the jerk, so that at some point he might even have
to put up or shut up.

Just a thought.
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Wil Wheaton at MacWorld!!!!!
Date: 8 Jan 93 01:44:19 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <michaelh.726439388@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>,
michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane) wrote:
> 
> mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> 
> >And *I* - who have a Wesley Crusher postcard pinned to the
> >wall of my cube - *cannot* *go*.  No.  *I* am stuck here,
> >where I have to set up fifty some odd macs and four big 
> >old IBMs sose as Very Important Developers will be happy,
> >and sose as there will be a Macworld *next* year - where
> >I can probably *again* miss the beefcake...
> 
> that's what you get for becoming a permanent employee...

Such a cutie you are...  And with such a hard stomach...
Really ladies and gentleman and gentle-ladies and bitchy
queens - he *does*.  *Very* *hard*

And poor little *X* now has very hard hands, what from
crawling around on the carpet like I mentioned somewhere
else, I did.  Hard and red.  I have such delicate hands,
what never having to work anything but - well, you know.
And all that time thinking about Wesley and Brandon and
a holodeck lost amidst the fading echoes of dying stars...

*X*
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: crabs (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Date: 8 Jan 93 01:37:21 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

> The greatest source of damage to telephone cables strung on
> poles (as opposed to being buried) is squirrels, not bad
> weather or falling branches.  They chew right through the
> outer plastic coating and right through the (thick, in a
> large cable) aluminum shield, so they can eat the wires.
> 
> Even the ones that *can't* fly are very resourceful.

And the ones that *can* fly can also bite...

Very hard.

*X*
(who spent all day on his hands and knees, poking around under
desks with his tiny little butt waving around in the air, and
cursing the fact that *other* people, working on the *same*
project, *were* at MacWorld - AND THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO WIL
WHEATON IS.

The injustice of it all...)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Different Strokes (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:48:02 GMT

  Not to butt into a perfectly good Jess-and-Steve-flames-because-its-
cold-in-winter, but...

In article <1993Jan4.172613.15254@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> Guess what: it's already happened.  But it's not called "lipstick",
> it's called "moisurizing emollient color enhancing rod" and you can buy
> it at the men's cosmetics counter at Macy's.  

  This sounds like a self-lubricating dildo. Are you sure that it was
at Macy's?
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
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