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From: ac220@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Szabo)
Subject: Wedding ceremony music suggestions?
Reply-To: ac220@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Szabo)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
 
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 17:46:23 GMT

Anyone have some suggestions for good wedding ceremony music?
I would like to solicit your ideas.  The ceremony is a Catholic
mass and I am slated to appear as the groom.  Please post
suggestions here or e-mail to ac220@cleveland.freenet.edu.
Thanks!
Rich Szabo
 
-- 
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: tyger@netcom.com (Kitty in the Middle)
Subject: Re: PMS
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:33:30 GMT
Organization:  I'm part of a massive Blonde Conspiracy

In article <13AUG199212362987@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison) writes:
>In article <pg4m#p.tyger@netcom.com>, tyger@netcom.com (Kitty in the Middle) writes...
>>In article <5AUG199214502079@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison) writes:
>>>>>>>>tyger@netcom.com (Kitty in the Middle) writes:
>>>>What? Have you no culture? 
>>>Well, I *do* have a little mold growing between my toes... does *that* 
>>>count ??
>>Um...no.
>
>Darn, and I had *just* started to trim it in the shape of Venus de Milo...
>now I'll have to wash it off. :-)

Yes, I'm afraid you will...so sorry...:)

>>>>I was speaking of the painter, not the wanker.
>>>There's a functional difference between an artist and a wanker ?? :-)
>>Yeah...you don't get paid for wanking unless your name is John Holmes.
>
>Or, at the very least, you don't get paid for it unless you're *built* like 
>John Holmes. :-)

Naw, you don't need to be hung like a horse, you just have to be willing to
to hump like one with a camera millimeters away from your naughty bits...
terribly romantic..:P

>>>Uh ... *Paul* ?!??!?!?! Look immediately below...
>>So sorry...got you confused with the man from Across the Pond...:)
>>(But his accent is nicer than yours...;))
>
>Oh, I've been told that I have a rather sexy voice on the phone... uh... 
>anybody lurking out there want to back me up on this ? :-) :-)

I take nobody's word but my own in such matters...gimme a call sometime and we 
shall see...;)

>-- Stephen Dennison

   Tyger

-- 
      Kristen Kohlbecker    And I would choose to be with you
      tyger@netcom.com      That's if the choice were mine to make   
                            But you can make decisions too
      A Tyger and a Lady    And you can have this heart to break
From: v328mwjj@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (KIMI LYNN KING)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Make the move?
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:36:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug12.110043.17701@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jpalmer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John D Palmer) writes...
>In article <1992Aug11.230658.42283@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> dreamer@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (David Caruso II ~~~) writes:
>>
>>I'm still curious.  If YOU had been this woman, how would you react if this 
>>friendly, good-looking (a conceit) waiter called you and asked you for lunch?
> 
> 
>      I, personally, would be upset.  I value my privacy pretty highly, and 
>someone using this type of means to track me down would make me angry.
> 
>     I dunno if everyone feels this way. . .  but me, I would wait and hope 
>she came back in again and ask her out in person.
> 
>                                                  John
> 
>-- 
>"Love is cool; I mean, like, really cool.  Like, the coolest thing in
>the universe, where, like, people open up inside and show the world how
>they feel, and they ain't afraid someone's gonna laugh because they, like,
>love themselves already!"  --Personality 42, a generic 60's philosopher 
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: caldwem@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Twiggs)
Subject: Re: What is LOVE ?
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 16:30:41 GMT

My love i am glad you had a nice surprize when reading the  posting
but i had to share what i thought love was because I am so very,
Much in Love with you *smile* the love we share and give to each,
othere is wonderful. Letting others know what it is to be so in love..
is very nice to me...
 

Love we share is a deep and careing love...
You are my best friend i know you always there...
Someone to listen to me and understand me...
I can be me and you can be you ...
We are *one* but also two people that share 
needs and wants i know i can tell you anything.....
And you will listen with both your heart and mind....
And this is Love and I love you Michael...
 
 *hug* and *kiss* 

 *you* make me very very happy 
 Happy birthday my love and the next one 
 we will be together :)
 Mary
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: How long does it take *you* to make love ... ?
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner)
Date: 15 Aug 92 13:21:34 EST
Distribution: alt.romance

panlilio@acs.ucalgary.ca (Victor P. Panlilio) writes:
> 
> BigQuestion for All You Romantic NetFolk: Is Love then a
> Conscious Choice we make, rather than something we fall into?

outside of television & cheap novels, that's what i've found. infatuation
is another barrel of monkeys altogether...

jason

--
would you could you should you cross thru if i could wipe my eyes a blinding
compromise another pinky shave enlightens the brow now cow to die another day
if you prefer outside be blessed sir ostracize better bastard now forgotten
well instead of favored son of hell in hopes to open eyes - scaterd few, U
`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thursday, 13 Aug 1992 16:48:34 MST
From: <ICSAA@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Love at first sight?

More like detestation on my part, annoyance and a desire to prove
how wrong I was on his.  It changed over a plate of stir-fry, my
broken sink drain and breaking heart - he listened, and later, when
I took his advice and dumped the other one, and Mr. Right was available,
it worked out.
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear)
Subject: Re: RP vs. SO
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 03:36:04 GMT
Organization: Home for the Terminally Infirm

I still like SEU (Spouse Equivalent Unit).
-- 
Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear              ekman@netcom.com
Home for the Terminally Infirm, Redwood City, California
Xref: sparky alt.romance:10708 alt.romance.chat:16949
From: diana@wetware.com (CatWoman )
Newsgroups: alt.romance,alt.romance.chat
Subject: Re:    Logs: are there any??
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:14:42 GMT
Organization: Castle WetWare MouseCatcher

Okay - I tried to keep myself from doing this,
but I couldn't help it...

The Computer, your Amigo with an Ego.. <MABBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

}Subject: Re:    Logs: are there any??

Ahem.  the best logs are going to be found
somewhere with one of the RFA members...

Diana
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: weaver@jetsun.weitek.COM (Michael Weaver)
Subject: Re: How does this happen?
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 23:01:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.200844.26106@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>So what in the hell makes people feel so damned undeserving of love?  Why can't
>some people allow themselves to feel loved?  Why can't some people indulge 
>themselves in the right to be imperfect and still be loved anyhow?
>
>I don't get it.
>
>     - Pat

Just a few ideas:

- Fear of success: you fear that if something good happens
  to you that you will not be able to handle it, or you do not
  deserve it, and so it will blow up and leave you much worse off than
  before.

- Fear of failure: you fear that if you try, you will fail and
  failing will be worse than never having tried.

- Conditional love:  you feel that love must have a price, even if the
  price is not stated, and you feel the price is too high.

- Loss of control: you feel that by being in a relationship you 
  give up control of your life, *and* that if you stop controlling
  your life, things will go horribly wrong.

- Fear of commitment: you feel love requires committment in return
  (conditional love) *and* that commitment requires giving up too much
  control of your life (loss of control).

Michael.
From: tony@iti.org (Anthony Skjellum)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Together and other dating services
Summary: Any one have reactions or experience with dating services in Bay Area
Keywords: Bay Area, Singles, Dating-Service
Date: 23 Aug 92 03:54:25 GMT

I am wondering if anyone would like to start a discussion on experiences
with the <<Together>> dating service, or others.  I am curious, and have
some interesting stories to share about what I have experienced by
meeting people who are part of this particular service.  

Send me e-mail, and we can start a discussion group.
- Tony
--
 	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.      .
"They also serve who only stand and wait." - J. Milton

Anthony Skjellum, LLNL, (510)422-1161; FAX: (510)423-2993; tony@helios.llnl.gov
From: csp48@seq1.keele.ac.uk (J.W. Kirriemuir)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Vacation..all i ever wanted...
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:49:13 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

In article <1992Aug13.213907.21438@news.ysu.edu>, ae498@yfn.ysu.edu (Dawn Bott) writes:

> Where is the most romantic place in the world?  

Well, you can cross Sarajevo off for a start, quite possibly...
Newsgroups: alt.romance,alt.romance.chat
From: hoff@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Wildfire)
Subject: Re: fantasies
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:21:02 GMT

ae498@yfn.ysu.edu (Dawn Bott) writes:


>In a previous article, fsjm1@acad3.alaska.edu () says:

>>Just because you asked . . .
>>I would like to make love
>>on the hood of a car
>>at outside
>>at night
>>in a ragin' thunder and lightning storm
>> 
>>
>I have to agree that being in the wild outdoors is possibly
>the most exciting place to make love....
>but instead of the thunder and lightning....
>I kinda like the idea of a being out in a snow storm...

Brr! Don't get frost bite.....Besides wanting to make love outdoors
(in a meadow, during a more gentle rain storm and to Enigma, no less)
I think it would be an interesting....er...sensation to fill the
bathtub with buttered spaghetti and try it there...Sure it would be 
a little slippery, but not as cold as jello! ;)

                         -Wildfire-


 ||    Wildfire  ||  hoff@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu  ||  lmh44500@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu  ||
 || "Computers are just the opposite of people.  In computers the software ||
 ||  goes into the hardware.  In people the hardware..." Torchsong Trilogy ||
 || disclaimer:  "...my love, you, if anyone, should know that my rules    ||
 ||         only apply to other people, not myself"  -Friday               ||
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: New response to LJBF
Date: 17 Aug 92 08:27:44
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
	<kiran.713492190@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu's message of 11 Aug 92 00:16:30 GMT

In article <kiran.713492190@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) writes:
>scott_silverstein@yccatsmtp.ycc.yale.edu (Scot Silverstein) writes:

>>"Let's not; I have enough of them for now.  Thank you very much."
>Nice, very nice.  

My mind boggles slightly at the idea that there are lots of people who
already have so many really great friends that they can offhandedly
reject another great person (I assume they're great if you want to go
out with them).  Still, I think that's very lucky for you.

>Before you flame me, I have more friends than i have time for right
>now.  If I have to maintain those friendships with an investment of
>time, then I have less time to find a romantic relationship.  And give
>a (hypothetical) choice between friendship and romance, I will take
>the romance, thanks.  

Humm.  I have met almost all my romantic partners through friends.
Thus, I have found that the more friends I have, the more chances I have
to *meet* someone for a romantic relationship.  Indeed, most of my
friends and all romantic partners in the last three years are all the
result of *one* friendship...I went to a party that this friend held,
met a few people, and my life changed completely.  Of course, I suppose
if you already have "too many" friends, there's not much you can do, but
how do you know that the person you just rejected doesn't have a really
good friend who is "the right one" for you, and who you'll now never
meet?

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy | muffy@mica.berkeley.edu | wi.4636@wizvax.methuen.ma.us
~Little round planet/in a big universe/sometimes it looks blessed/
 sometimes it looks cursed/Depends on what you look at, obviously/
 But even more it depends on the way that you see~ - Bruce Cockburn
From: frank@rniwi.rni.sub.org (Frank Mogaddedi)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: LJBF
Date: 15 Aug 92 12:15:53 GMT
Organization: Frank's Wild Unix

dswt@bnr.co.uk (Stewart Tansley) writes:

[Discussion about Jonathan & Jeff deleted...]


>One of the worst lines someone can give you after they've just dumped you
>is "but we can still be friends, if you like". Women seem to be especially
>badly informed in this respect -- if they dump a man with a line like
>this, the man often feels even worse than they already do! (I think they
>get brought up to believe it is a caring thing to say -- it is not! To
>me, it is a gross insult!) Please stop it girls ;-) Maybe this has some 
>echoes with the LJBF situation...

I just would like to add something to that.
Say what you mean. If you would *like* to stay friends with the LJBFed
this phrase is ok - at least in my book. However, if you don't, then
don't give him the LJBF-phrase. Say that it's over and get on. Yes, it
might hurt more at the moment, for both sides, but it will be over
quicker.

If you said, you wanted to stay friends, then this will demand some work
from you too! The LJBFed needs some time. In my situation I needed some
time after I got LJBFed, and after some time I thought it worked. But
then the LJBFer's meaning of staying 'friends' basically resulted in
	- her only calling me when she needed help from me,
	- then, when it changed to a sinmple chat, always saying that
	  she had to go and wouldn't have any time,
	- not taking the time to listen when I had a problem, but
	  expecting me to take time for hers.

It especially hurts since in my case the LJBFer is my wife.

Agreed, sometimes I got depressed and talk from the years past welled up,
which I couldn't put a lid on, therefore stressing the discussion.

I'm just saying that if you want to stay friends, you should behave like
friends. And my other friends don't just call when they need me to help
them, and I take time for their problems, and they for mine.

Think about what your friends/acquaintances do for you and you for them.
Then think whether you think it's possible to do same with the LJBFed.
If the answer is no, don't lie and don't give the LJBF-line.


Take care
	Frank
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From: grendel@canetoad.UUCP (Rage y Romance)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: How to deal with 3-way?
Distribution: world
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:48:23 EDT
Organization: The Satellite of Love

In article <scott_silverstein-210892140458@lasagne.med.yale.edu> scott_silverstein@yccatsmtp.ycc.yale.edu (Scot Silverstein) writes:
>re: my 'triangle' post --
>
>I should add that this is mostly of historical interest now; I really am 
>no longer involved with these people nor want to be, but I'm just curious
>how others would have handled it.

Simply, I would have ditched big time!  My life is complicated enough
without me looking for mentally screwed up people to make it even
stranger.
--

"So I'm minding my own business...no, really. | ...uunet!canetoad!grendel
 And I see him, the HIM in big impressive     | canetoad!grendel@uunet.uu.net
 letters. And he owns me, I mean the way      |
 pigeons own N.Y...damn I'm had again."       |
From: kjalcock@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: re: LJBF
Date: 12 Aug 92 10:28:20 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

I sense that this discussion (LJBF) is getting a little acrimonious...
Some people do seem to have "enough" friends e.g. someone I know who, as
he is the only one of a crowd of people I know who is around over the
summer holidays, I thought it might be quite nice to keep in touch with.
Several notes sent, and not replied to, or suggestions rebuffed.  Aha, I
thought, he's being silly, he thinks I'm "chasing him" - nothing could be 
further from the truth.  O.K., I'll set him straight, so I did - "I'm trying
to be friendly, hope I'm not being misinterpreted"
Reply was - Thanks, I'm very reassured.  Followed by a couple of month's
silence with one quick note saying "I'm very busy" i.e. I haven't got time
for you.  Obviously, no time for any more friends.  Much as it goes against
my principles to drop people, I've decided it is probably his loss, not mine.

Other people, on the other hand, don't seem to have enough friends, and would
love to have more.  Another bloke who I am very fond of started being very
frindly to me when I first started to get to know him.  This went on for a
couple of months, with me getting increasingly "keen".  After much plucking
up of courage, I managed to ask him if he thought we could be more than
friends or, indeed, if he wanted to be friends at all.  His reply was of the 
LJBF variety, but he made it clear that he really valued his friends as he
felt he had very few of them.  He too has very little time, does a lot of
weekly commuting so that's probably why he doesn't have a huge supply of
freinds.  But despite his lack of time we are still friendly and our 
relationship (I feel) has developed.  

Anyway, the point of all this waffle is that some people do want more friends
and some people don't, so how about a bit of agreeing to differ?

		KT
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: jsalonen@cs.joensuu.fi (Jussi Salonen)
Subject: Re: Wedding ceremony music suggestions?
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 09:49:55 GMT

ac220@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Szabo) writes:

>Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 17:46:23 GMT
>Lines:        9

>Anyone have some suggestions for good wedding ceremony music?
>I would like to solicit your ideas.  The ceremony is a Catholic
>mass and I am slated to appear as the groom.  Please post
>suggestions here or e-mail to ac220@cleveland.freenet.edu.
>Thanks!
>Rich Szabo
> 
>
I suggest J.C.Bach: Prelude Es-major (or was it minor).

It's quite massive for a huge church.

regards
              Jussi

Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: How long does it take *you* to make love ... ?
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:29:46 GMT

 (ICSAA@ASUACAD.BITNET) wrote:

: But, to put a little more perspective on it, I had known him for about 5
: months, and wouldn't have DREAMED of wanting to go out with him.  I was
: actually rather negative about even entertaining the idea (much personal
: and ludicrous history declined). But, for no other reason than sheer good
: fortune, it's worked out wonderfully.
: 
: "Do as I say, not as I did?"

Hmmm...what made you change your mind and date him?
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG     erc@apple.com                801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: ae498@yfn.ysu.edu (Dawn Bott)
Subject: Re: Wedding ceremony music suggestions?
Reply-To: ae498@yfn.ysu.edu (Dawn Bott)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:49:50 GMT


In a previous article, ac220@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Szabo) says:

>Anyone have some suggestions for good wedding ceremony music?
>Thanks!
>Rich Szabo
> 

I don't know how old you are..but either way, if you can avoid it
steer clear of old 70s and 80s love ballads..You said you are getting
married in the Catholic Church, so depending on how progressive the
church is you might not be able to play them anyway *whew* =)

If you can, a string quartet hired from a Uni's music department
would be wonderful.  I saw this at a wedding i was at recently
and it was absolutely fabulous.

Good Luck! =)

Dawn

-- 
"To you, Baldrick, the renaissance was just something that
 happened to other people, wasn't it?"
                       
                            -- Black Adder --
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: liang@cs.scarolina.edu (Da Dong Liang)
Subject: Re: WHAT IS LJBF???????!!!!!!
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:04:49 GMT

How about DTR? Does it mean "Define the relationship"?
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: jpalmer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John D Palmer)
Subject: Re: What is LOVE ?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 04:44:56 GMT

>|>      Love is when the happiness of the other person is more important than
>|> your own. . . almost every expression of love canbe shown to pass this test.
>
>I can think of several counter examples, including several here on the net...

     Well, I dunno.  If you say to me that a person claims to be in love with
someone, and that person (the lover) does not put the other person
(the beloved) on a par or better than themselves, I'd ask you how you can
say that there is 'love'.

     I don't claim to be right in some cosmic sense. . . if I had the truth
packaged and set up in this leather bound 20 volume set, I'd SELL it to you,
not give it to you.

      But I've never seen an example of 'love'  that couldn't pass this test.
What MAY confuse you, of course, is that the terms 'happiness' and 'importance'
and so forth are not solid concepts, thus this 'definition' or 'algorithm'
is not hard and fast.
>
>|>      This is something more. . . because true romantic love is when there is a 
>|> give and take of love. . . and as one tries to make th other happy, the other
>|> is trying to make the first happy, and they are both being happy because they
>|> accept the profferred gifts of happiness. . .  
>
>That's only when the romantic love is mutual. When it's not, it doesn't quite
>work this way.

    Eeeeh, welllllll, yeah, that's TRUE. . . except that this true romantic
love bullshit that I'm talking about kinda included inthe definition that
it was mutual.

     Sure, it never works out that way in practice, but the theory is so nice
that every loser in the world keeps looking for it.
>
>The only thing I know about love is this: there is no algorithm, no set of
>rules, no set of criteria that you can check off and say "Yep, that's it; I'm
>in love ok". For ever set of criteria I can show you a love that is missing
>a few, and people who met them all who aren't in love by any stretch of the
>imagination.

> You know when you're in love, and you know when you aren't.

    So, if you check off 'I know I am in love' on your checklist, that 
would be a nice, hard and fast algorithm or criteria, right?  So this can't
be correct.

     I don't mind people hammering at my posting, however.  I find it humorous,
this streak of masochism I have that keeps me around in the hopes tha t
maybe someone thinks about this stuff I write longer than it takes to slam it.

                                                     The Crazyman



-- 
"Love is cool; I mean, like, really cool.  Like, the coolest thing in
the universe, where, like, people open up inside and show the world how
they feel, and they ain't afraid someone's gonna laugh because they, like,
love themselves already!"  --Personality 42, a generic 60's philosopher