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From: rpw3@rigden.wpd.sgi.com (Rob Warnock)
Subject: Re: Definitions
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:46:54 GMT

seifert@netcom.com (Rich Seifert) writes:
+---------------
| Now, the next thing I am trying to get these "Damn Yankees" to do is
| to pronounce "router" correctly! It is "ROO-ter", not "RAOW-ter"!!
| (It is also an East-Cast/West-Coast problem here. These "Damn
| Californians" don't pronounce it correctly!  :-)  )
+---------------

Well neither do us Suthreners, Rich!  Before I moved to the Land of MellowSpeak
I grew up and lived in The South, and it's definitely "RAOW-ter" down there.
A "ROO-ter" is... you know, something that "roots" -- like a pig or a hog.
(That's pronounced "hawg", of course.)

In fact, it was always those damnyankees (one word, and no point in honoring
them with Capitals) that were confusing me when I was driving up North,
talking about how I should take "ROOT 13" to get to where I was going...


-Rob

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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
From: rich@grebyn.com (Richard Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Definitions
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:57:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.224244.10423@dg-rtp.dg.com> waugh@rtpnet05.rtp.dg.com (Matthew Waugh) writes:
>In the network context define the terms Concentrator and Hub. I
>tried, but I started stumbling real fast.....

The two terms have become interchangeable, and I'm pretty sure they were
never defined in the engineering sense.

However, it USED to be (with more than one hub/concentrator
manufacturer) that a Hub was considered an intelligent concentrator (ie,
SNMP manageable) and a concentrator was just a central point of
connection. IBM seemed to pick at random what they called their devices,
however, and then they muddled the whole naming scheme by calling a
token ring MSAU a MAU instead....

-- 
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     '92 Seca II "Yuri"  CI$:71101,2272  GEnie:R.LAWRENCE14
   215 years ago my government gave me certain inalienable rights.
     Since then, they've been trying to correct their mistake.
From: battle@cs.utk.edu (David Battle)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
Subject: Embedded Controller with Ethernet?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 14:38:10 GMT
Organization: SNMP Research, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu
Summary: Is there such a beast?


Does anyone know of an embedded controller with ethernet on the same chip?
Preferably it would also have ram and rom of some kind, and maybe a serial
port and some parallel io.  If it had all that and d/a and a/d conversion
on-chip it would be a dream come true.

Wanna get rich?  Design this pup.

-David L. Battle
battle@cs.utk.edu
From: harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
Subject: Re: new hardwareaddress
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:15:06 -0500
Organization: Indiana University-Purdue University at Indianapolis

In article <1993Jan7.160840.14887@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com>, Mehrtens_T@msm.cdx.mot.com writes:
> In article(Guenter Hoens) writes:
>> but if it is a different protocol, then we can find out (by looking
>>at the packets)
>>
>
> I see very few options.  If the device is a MACintosh, then you can use
> "Interpoll" to query the subnetwork, and use a ethernet monitor/analyzer to
> look at the MAC level addressses.  TCP/IP ping, and other polling packages have
> been mentioned for other platforms.  DECnet send out packets all the time.
> TCP/IP send out on AARPs, XNS send out ARPs, spanning tree bridges send out
> unintelligible trash (loop testing), etc.
>
>   There are many, many ethernet analyzers out there.  Here are a couple:
> Sniffer, H.P., NetLens, public domain PC based analyser, InTel NetSight,
> NetSisht Persfessional, etc.    Ethernet monitoring packages aplenty!
>
> I wigh there was an easier way for me to find my 530 addresses - I had to
> locate them one at a time.  Luckily, this happened over many years, so
> maintenance is easier now.
>
> Now that networks are routed, the router tells me the I.P./Ethernet
> correlation.

Yes, this is very convenient.  I have a procedure that runs every four hours
(the timeout on the ARP caches on the routers), uses a telnet script to dump
the ARP cache of each router, and then digests the output and updates an
indexed file of IP and hardware addresses (with the date the entry was last
seen).  Very handy for hunting down confused users randomly changing IP
addresses because they don't know any better, or trying to use the same ones
as the fellow in the office down the hall, or otherwise misconfigured systems.
With over 1000 machines on the network (not counting probably at least as many
at the I.U. Medical Center that I don't keep track of) it can come in quite
handy at times.

My stuff uses a scripted Telnet written at I.U. and a set of DCL command
procedures running on a VAX under VMS, so it probably wouldn't be of much
use to most people.  But it wouldn't be too hard to write something like
it for Unix if you could find a Telnet that supports scripts (C-Kermit comes
to mind).
--
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 13:29:38 CST
From: <U44966@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
Subject: Finding MAC adress of STARLAN card

    Ah yes, another FAQ I'll wager (I didn't see one or a response to
someone else's query on this subject).  On to the question.  We have a
number of Starlan 10 cards.  We need a way for a DOS program to be able
to determine the MAC adress of the card that it has.  I tried to use a
program that determines MAC addresses of SMC cards, but that technique
doesn't work (It does IN's from IO ports but finds all FF's).  I was
pretty sure the Startlan cards were made by what was then Western
Digital so I had some hope that that technique would work.  Anyone have
any hints on how to get at it (is it perhaps stored in a consistent
place in ROM)?

Paul Neumann                       U44966@UICVM             Bitnet
Small Systems                      U44966@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU  Internet
Computer Center
University of Illinois at Chicago
From: lui@kitaro.nsc.com (Michael Lui)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
Subject: Packet Driver using DOS extender
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:45:42 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

I'm going to develop a packet driver using PharLap 386 Dos-Extender. Do I need
a protected-mode kernel or any pm libraries from FTP Software for the packet
driver to work? Any information will be very much appreciated.

- Mike Lui
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
From: hoens@gmd.de (Guenter Hoens)
Subject: Re: new hardwareaddress
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:00:27 GMT

In <mark.726251794@coombs> mark@coombs.anu.edu.au (Mark) writes:

>hoens@gmd.de (Guenter Hoens) writes:

>>but it is difficult to find out, where this machine is and how it is named
>>by its user.

>It sounds like you need a Time Delay Reflector (TDR) that will send a signal
>down the ethernet and report back any devices it sees. You can pin point to
>a very short distance where a join is in your net. It's a hardware device and
>you should be able to obtain one from HP or other companies.

>It already sounds like you have a program like 'getethers' to report the
>addresses and IP numbers (if any) of any cards on the segment and you also
>have the RFC listing the manufacturers address so you can determine vaguely
>what type of card is attached. I have just mentioned them for the benefit of
>others.

>Hope this helps..

>Mark
>mark@coombs.anu.edu.au

that is not what i thought of. we know exactly, where our trnasceivers
are. but we have about 600 machines on our ethernet. sometimes there are
new machines, sometimes boards are changed.
we can not walk along the cable to look after every transceiver.

if the new machine uses IP, then we can find out all about the new
machine, but if it is a different protocol, then we can find out (by looking
at the packets) what sort of machine/ethernet board and what protcol is
used.
we might be able to write a programm, which will ask the new machines
after their name. but we will have to know about something like a
name binding protocol for the used protocol. unfortunately most of the
protocols are not very well documentated. 

any ideas?

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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
From: waugh@rtpnet05.rtp.dg.com (Matthew Waugh)
Subject: Re: Definitions
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 22:42:44 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

The ComNet glossy mag that dropped on my desk has a beautiful picture
of a network in it. It also uses the terms Concentator, Hub as well
as Gateway.
Does anybody claim there are accepted descriptions of what a Hub
and Concentrator are, and would they like to explain? The glossy
shows a Gateway, apparently between a Concentrator attached to
a FDDI ring, and a HIPPI Hub. This puzzles me.
Doubtless a picture drawn by marketing people, but nevertheless it
does raise the question.
In the network context define the terms Concentrator and Hub. I
tried, but I started stumbling real fast.....

Mat

Matthew Waugh			waugh@dg-rtp.dg.com
RTP Network Services 		
Data General Corp.		
RTP, NC. (919)-248-6034
From: vince_m@wacss.anixter.com (Vince Mammoliti)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
Subject: 3com+ drivers for NDIS or 3C509
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 11:38:08 EST
Organization: Anixter Canada Inc.

I am currently looking for 3com+ drives that support
NDIS and/or 3C509 cards.

Thanks


Vince


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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
From: Antti Juustila <antti@rieska.oulu.fi>
Subject: Efficiency Problem with LanTastic/db_VISTA in Win 3.0
Organization: Dept. of Information Processing Science, University of Oulu
     Finland
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:11:32 GMT

Hello

We have been developing a Windows -application with Borland C++ using the
db_VISTA multi-user version 3.20 as the database application. The problem
is speed.

Even if executing the application in one machine with the network running
(no other machines are connected), the opening of the databases is
extremely slow. As soon as the databases are opened, the speed is quite
good though, even when the amount of data transferred is quite much.

We have tried to alter the configuration of the network and the vista
cache etc., but nothing so far has helped. The machines are 386 / 4-8
Megabytes, DOS 4.0 and 5.0 and Windows is 3.0. Network used is LanTastic
4. The target architecture of the application is 2-6 node network with no
separate server. One of the machines contains the database files, and the
application is supposed to work on this machine too.

Does anyone have any ideas to improve performance (any other than a
dedicated server or opening all the databases when starting the 
application and keeping them opened until application ends)?

Antti
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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
From: rohrernl@helix.nih.gov (Nathan Rohrer)
Subject: Lan Manager driver for Western Digital NIC???
Organization: National Eye Institute, National Institutes of Health
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:36:23 GMT

Does anyone know of a BBS or FTP site where I can obtain drivers for 
a Western Digital NIC?



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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
From: hoens@gmd.de (Guenter Hoens)
Subject: new hardwareaddress
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:23:36 GMT

it is our job, to look after our local ethernet.
we think, that it is important, to know, which machines are connected
to ethernet.
(when we find broken packets on the net, which include the hardware-
address, then we can look after that special machine, change the 
ethernet-board, if necessary and so on.)

we have a set of known addresses, and we have software to find new
addresses on our ethernet.

if the new hardware address is in a internet-packet, we have good chances
to find the machine, because the IP-address is well known on our net.

but if the new machine uses a different protocol, we do not know, how to
find out some facts about the new machine.

of course we can see, what protocol is used, and we can see (first bytes
of the hardware address), what sort of machine it is.

but it is difficult to find out, where this machine is and how it is named
by its user.

do you have similiar problems? how do you handle this? 

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* German National Research Center for Computer Science
* hoens@gmd.de    (02241) 14-2408
From: mark@coombs.anu.edu.au (Mark)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
Subject: Re: new hardwareaddress
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:36:34 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2
Organisation: Wassat?!

hoens@gmd.de (Guenter Hoens) writes:

>but it is difficult to find out, where this machine is and how it is named
>by its user.

It sounds like you need a Time Delay Reflector (TDR) that will send a signal
down the ethernet and report back any devices it sees. You can pin point to
a very short distance where a join is in your net. It's a hardware device and
you should be able to obtain one from HP or other companies.

It already sounds like you have a program like 'getethers' to report the
addresses and IP numbers (if any) of any cards on the segment and you also
have the RFC listing the manufacturers address so you can determine vaguely
what type of card is attached. I have just mentioned them for the benefit of
others.

Hope this helps..

Mark
mark@coombs.anu.edu.au
From: srl@terminus.ericsson.se (Steve Langstaff)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
Subject: Re: Embedded Controller with Ethernet?
Date: 8 Jan 93 10:04:54 GMT
Reply-To: srl@terminus.ericsson.se
Distribution: world
Organization: Camtec Electronics (Ericsson), Leicester, England

In article 1ihf8iINN5t4@CS.UTK.EDU, battle@cs.utk.edu (David Battle) writes:
|> 
|> Does anyone know of an embedded controller with ethernet on the same chip?
|> Preferably it would also have ram and rom of some kind, and maybe a serial
|> port and some parallel io.  If it had all that and d/a and a/d conversion
|> on-chip it would be a dream come true.
|> 
|> Wanna get rich?  Design this pup.
|> 
|> -David L. Battle
|> battle@cs.utk.edu


A clued-up hardware engineer ij@terminus.ericsson.se (Ian James) in my department
posted me some info on a device that might fit this description:

  Motorola intend bringing out a new 68302-type controller called the 68360 or
  QUICC (Quad Integrated Comms Controller) with 32-bit processor, four
  simultaneous 2Mbit channels with time-slot assignment, one of which can be 
  used as an Ethernet port. 

  Full production by Q3 '93.


---

| Steve Langstaff - Ericsson CAMTEC |

Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
From: uaa1006@dircon.co.uk (Peter Miles)
Subject: Ethernet fibre-optic backbone
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:13:26 GMT


My company is moving one of its offices, and I've been looking 
at the possibilities of installing a fibre-optic ethernet backbone, 
instead of our existing thick coax-base network.

Can anyone tell me about ethernet running over fibre?
Specifically, what is the bandwidth, what extra equipment do 
I need, how is the fibre cable terminated etc?

I'm looking at getting 3COM FMS twisted pair hubs for each office 
(for the links to each PC/Workstation). The hubs would be interconnected 
with the fibre-optic cable (the 3com hubs have an option of a fibre 
transceiver instead of the usual AUI connector).

Would I be right in saying that all that needs to be done is 
for a piece of fibre to be connected between the hubs, and I 
have a network, or is extra equipment required?

How are new connections tapped in to the fibre cable?

Do fibre networking products from different manuafcturers interconnect?

Is there anything else I should be considering before making 
the final decision?

Finally, can anyone recommend sources of more information about 
fibre-based ethernets?

Thanks for any help. Please email me with replies, and I'll 
post a summary.

                -- Pete
-- 
Pete Miles			uaa1006@dircon.co.uk
				...uknet!dircon!uaa1006
From: lowen@lorc.eskimo.com (Lamar Owen)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
Subject: Re: Mfg MAC Addresses
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 09:10:02 -0500
Distribution: usa
Organization: LORC Enterprises

In <1992Dec29.015104.26762@netcom.com> seifert@netcom.com (Rich Seifert) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.194131.15187@PacBell.COM>, krsato@srv.PacBell.COM (Kenn Sato) writes:
>> a little network analysis and have come across '00 60 8C' and can't figure
>> out who the vendor is. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

>The bad news is that 00-60-8C is not in the list in RFC1340 (I just checked).

>Remember that vendor assignment are marginally useful. An Intel PC
>running Novell NetWare on a 3Com NIC card would have a 3Com address

Interesting that you mentioned 3Com, as 00608c is a 3Com number.  In particular,
the only cards I have seen with the 00608c are 3C507 Etherlink 16's.

How do I know this?  I have a 3C507, and it's address is 00608c10b58f

[This is posted in the hope that 00608c will be added to RFC1340 as a 3Com number.]

>Rich Seifert 

-- 

Lamar Owen, Systems Consultant          | If there were a tax on syn,
GE Lighting Systems, Hendersonville, NC | we'd all be broke.
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From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
Subject: Re: 10BaseT Questions
Keywords: 10BaseT
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:24:14 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department

blc@med.ge.com (Brett Chapman) writes:

> 	I have a simple Question on 10BaseT.  I see that the equipment we use
> use pins 1, 2, 3, and 6 on an 8 contact connector.  This is actually not too
> convenient.  If you use standard 8 wire (4-pair) cable, pins 1 and 2 are pair
> but pins 3 and 6 are not.

True for Weco wiring, but networks are wired so that pairs are on 1-2,
3-6, 4-5, 7-8.


> 	1.)  Does anyone know why we use pins 1, 2, 3, and 6?

I'm sure there's a more technical answer, but they're just the first two
pairs in the cable. Token ring usually uses the 3-6, 4-5 pairs, so this
is at least a good way to differentiate the two.

> 	2.)  Is there any way to measure the effect of having 3 and 6 in
> 		separate pairs?  Has anyone else measured this?

Yes (by accident; contractor never heard of 10baseT wiring). "It doesn't
work" is the best measurement I got. :) (actually, it worked on some of
the shorter runs, but the longer ones were flaky. After the contractor
reattached his kneecaps and changed the punchdowns, it worked just fine.
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
From: Mehrtens_T@msm.cdx.mot.com
Subject: Re: new hardwareaddress
Organization: Motorola_Codex
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:08:40 GMT

In article(Guenter Hoens) writes:
> but if it is a different protocol, then we can find out (by looking
>at the packets) 
>

I see very few options.  If the device is a MACintosh, then you can use
"Interpoll" to query the subnetwork, and use a ethernet monitor/analyzer to
look at the MAC level addressses.  TCP/IP ping, and other polling packages have
been mentioned for other platforms.  DECnet send out packets all the time. 
TCP/IP send out on AARPs, XNS send out ARPs, spanning tree bridges send out
unintelligible trash (loop testing), etc.

  There are many, many ethernet analyzers out there.  Here are a couple: 
Sniffer, H.P., NetLens, public domain PC based analyser, InTel NetSight,
NetSisht Persfessional, etc.    Ethernet monitoring packages aplenty!

I wigh there was an easier way for me to find my 530 addresses - I had to
locate them one at a time.  Luckily, this happened over many years, so
maintenance is easier now.

Now that networks are routed, the router tells me the I.P./Ethernet
correlation.

Tom M.  <Mehrtens_T@msm.cdx.mot.com>
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From: mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
Subject: Re: Thinwire specs/problem?
Date: 10 Jan 1993 01:37:21 -0500
Organization: The Programmers' Pit Stop, Ann Arbor MI
NNTP-Posting-Host: mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us

In article <C0M9sL.Mxs@iron.hq.aflc.af.mil> fenton@iron.hq.aflc.af.mil (George I. Fenton) writes:
>don't mix cable types by simply using barrel connectors (need
>appropriate transceivers to go between 10Base2 and 10Base5, for
>instance).

Huh?  RG-58 (10Base2) and RG-8 (10Base5) cable have the exact same
characteristic impedence, 50 ohms.  The only (electrical) difference
is that RG-8 has lower attenuation at 10MHz, which allows a longer
Ethernet segment length by reducing signal loss.  What kind of
"tranceiver" did you have in mind for going between 10Base2 and
10Base5?  Some sort of repeater?

>I have had cases of PC workstations plugged into a bad power outlet
>with bad ground, and the PCs start to use the 10Base2 as a ground
>source.

Huh?  The coax shield on a 10Base2 network should only have one ground
connection, and doesn't *need* any.  Most PC cards I've seen have a
plastic insulator between the BNC connector and the card bracket, to
prevent the shield from being grounded at the PC.

-- 
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