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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:00:14 -0400
From:         "(Agnes Kruchio)" <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: VAL-L
Comments: To: WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu
              at Sep 30, 92 10:27 am

Rita writes:
> > want totell others, who is valentine smith (real or not) and what is
> > val-l (real or not) and did he really get run off hist. and polisci.
>
> 	He really exists.  His nom d' keyboard is derived, of course,
> from _Stranger in a Strange Land_, but I even know who he really is.
> (I won't tell, cuz he asked me not to.)  He's a true net.character --
> sometimes reasonable, sometimes nutty.  He reminds me a little of Don.
> Valentine writes desperately since he supposedly has a some sort of
> progressive lung disease that is killing him.  I don't think he's ever
> been on words-l -- I don't imagine this his type of list.


There may be some confusion between TWO net-personalities. I know
VMSmith, who is on many lists, but I also know Daniel A. Foss, also a
net-character who has the progressive lung disease that is killing him
(I know both from history, though Val Smith is also on several others.
Whether or not he *also* has a terminal progressive lungdisease I do not
know; DAF does, for sure.)

VMS also posts periodic long missives, but they are not manic and seem
usually well-informed and  well-thought-out. Foss is brilliant at times,
and someone atually suggested jokingly that he should start a list
to analyze Foss' writings, because among all the manic stuff there
are always some genuine gems of provocative and original thinking
if you have the patience to unearth them. Foss, I think is a genuine,
old-fashioned *lost* intellectual - my impression is that he has some
associate position at some sociology department where he has some
privileges such as an e-account, but whether not he actually teaches, I
do not know. I have not heard from him in a while and his last post was a
whimper of an appology to me and a couple of others whom he had
attacked after we were foolish enough to comment on comments on his work.
(I forgot to mention that he has/had major bouts of paranoia.)

VM Smith is on several lists; he struck me as a dedicated
academic -at whatever stage of his academic career he is at;
he has a large book collection to which he continually adds, he
once told one of the lists, and works regular 10-hours days,
reading and writing (what I dunno), has a family. Whether he is a perpetual
student or not (aren't we all?), I do not know.


Agnes
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:20:00 CDT
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
 <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: Truth squad (was gleanings)

"sucking at the public mammary"

Refers here to a professional politician, giggles.  As long as
governments usurp and monopolize activities that free people could
provide more efficiently than the government does, a lot of honorable
people, perhaps even including you, draw their salaries from the
state.

> Is "founding an oil company" a plus ... or a minus?

Obviously a plus.  Because I didn't pay much attention to the survey,
I forget whether or not you drive a car.  The petrol you put in one's
tank doesn't get there by magic.  Somebody has to go to the trouble
involved in getting it there.

Steve Karlson

"The world has suffered more tyranny and poverty than need have been
because it has clutched ... bad economics."
                                    --Midnight Economist
From: TK0JUT1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Jim Thomas (tk0jut1@niu.bitnet))
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Subject: "FUCK!" is sometimes the only honest response
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:33:00 GMT
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Re abh's story of the tragic ending....


speechless.......

Sadness for the victim, anger at those who disparage attempts
make "justice" just.

Will the family pursue an investigation? If you have a news
clipping, and chance you could send up a copy?
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From: maya@carina.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: WORDS-L Cookbook
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 00:14:46 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

>> Subject:      WORDS-L Cookbook
>> Matter of fact, we could probably digest EAT-L if we gave it a go.

	"Words-L... where the EAT-L is killed or weakened."

Speaking of which, would there be a recipe in such a cookbook explaining
	exactly how to prepare the weak?


>>
>> The Ronin

-maya
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: VAL-L
Date: 30 Sep 1992 21:07:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, rita@EFF.ORG (Rita Marie Rouvalis) says:

>
>	He really exists.  His nom d' keyboard is derived, of course,
>from _Stranger in a Strange Land_, but I even know who he really is.
>(I won't tell, cuz he asked me not to.)  He's a true net.character --
That's not really a secret either, he just feels safer behind a nom de 
modem.  No nasty 2am phone calls that way.....
 
>sometimes reasonable, sometimes nutty.  He reminds me a little of Don.
You're right, I think; he can get pretty far off the wall, but does do
some solid stuff.  I proofed a paper for him once; it should be a chapter
or three in a book eventually.  
>Valentine writes desperately since he supposedly has a some sort of
>progressive lung disease that is killing him.  I don't think he's ever
Emphysema - he doesn't make a secret of it.  The coffin nails earned their
name this time.  I watched my next door neighbor die from this one; it's
no fun at all.:-(
>been on words-l -- I don't imagine this his type of list.
He knows it's here, though; I told him about us ages ago.  It's not his
type of list, really, because he can't handle the traffic.  Now if we could
get him a Cleveland account and continued computer access....

>> And who is mamaprimate that so many miss, and is she the smae
>> as judith who escaped from listtorture and listtyranny.
>
>	Yes, mamaprimate is love judith (who I miss terribly also).
Mama, get yourself back in here; the inmates are taking over!
>
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:20:50 EDT
From:         mgarber@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (61)
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I don't seem to have received Akio's initial list of gleanings
61..can someone send it? Please... MGarber@dhvx20.csudh.edu

Thanks, Evxaristo, toda, spacibo, gracias, merci, danke

Arigato
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:42:15 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: It's only bloody that thing again!
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>
> > So is Words-L a wonderful thing. ...
>
> Look here, we aren't going to start that particular thread
> again, are we?
>
> tushar

I thought it was especially well expressed and, frankly, I found it a
welcome positive note.
ndh
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Subject: At a loss for words
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:15:52 GMT
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  Henceforth I will only be able to write brief little notes, for the
reason that I don't have my on-line webster any more. This is due to
the pestiferous, pestilential, and completely prawnlike practice known
as "upgrading operating systems". The webster demon on the Next can't
live with the upgraded operating system.

  I have a vague feeling of unease as I reread the above. (I always
check my writing carefully, since as an arch pedant I cannot stand
making mistakes. My face turns blue and my nose grows an inch whenever
it happens.) A couple of the words don't look quite right. But I can't
look them up.

  It's back to Japanese! Only Karen understands my Japanese, anyway,
and I'm prepared to let her note a little mistake or two.
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: Bush Bashing
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:35:30 GMT



>Hmmm, there's a way to cut government costs.  Fire all the men and
>hire women at the lower salaries.

>Steve Karlson

Who woulda thunk it?  Sarcasm!  Wish they'd do it, though, it would solve
more than just the economic problems in DC.

--bayla
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 09:58:01 CDT
From:         "(Natalie Maynor)" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Respite from the Kiddies
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> What is the pretext this time for "zapping the kiddies"? Was their
> mail bouncing obligingly or is it just that we don't like them?

Saving them from themselves.  Or saving the rest of VMI.  :-)

> I would also like to know who wasn't in for fun when they subscribed.

Don't know.  If I remember correctly, I said that I thought we were in
for fun when they subscribed, not that we were not in for fun.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Taking pity on tired subject headers
Date: 3 Oct 1992 04:55:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU (Gilbert Smith) says:

>Will some kind soul *please* change this subject header?
>Mama J is <worn out>!

Will that do, oh peanut-pelted one?
<throws another bag - debagged first of course>
Just for <good measure>

Ruth
<*plink*>

>
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:24:00 MDT
From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Final updage on imprisoned students

     I am of two minds on this.
     One empathizes with the heart-wrenching agony of the family.
     One that wishes to insure that the paritcular people who did
         this never get a chance to do it again.

The Ronin
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:53:43 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: test
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              29 Sep 1992 15:43:10 EDT from
              <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

On Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:43:10 EDT Evelyn Duncan said:
>On Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:26:16 -0400 <TEST@TESTOR> said:
>>test message 2
>What's coming up next:  the Son of Test Message, the Bride of Test Message,
>or I was a Teenage Test Message? :)

I figure all of the test messages came from teenagers.....unless they
came from SantaClaus working on his addresshacking techniques.

dan
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Date:         Sat, 3 Oct 1992 09:19:00 CDT
From:         "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
 <TA0SHK1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Federal debt

> (Tax) revenue is not shown (in Marty's post)  It has been alleged, though
> I do not have the figures, that revenue did indeed rise, though not as
> rapidly as required to balance spending.

Tax revenues increased, as did the tax base: when the top marginal
tax rate fell, indulgence in money-losing, but tax-sheltered,
activities isn't as rewarding any more.  Lower tax rates reduce tax
cheating, also, because the expected payoff from cheating is smaller.

The tax base is a more important figure than total tax revenues,
because tax revenues grow whenever the economy grows (which even
happened during the Carter years) or whenever the government debases
the currency, which is right-speak for "inflation."

Steve Karlson
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:31:00 EST
From:         CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject: Re: still a loser

Greetings, Howie-D,

I agree.  I think it's terrible the way you guys have been stereotyped
by the net.  It's just this politically correct thing, you know?  If
you were members of some ethnic group or something, you could do anything
you wanted and nobody would ever give you a hard time, right?

Marty
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: Gleanings (61)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:13:37 GMT

Days of Awe/Shanna Tova/Hillel/Akiba

This is the start of the Jewish High Holy Day season -- ten days of
repentance and prayer beginning on Rosh Hashanah (literally, "head of the
year") and ending with a 26-hour fast (no solid -or- liquid intake) on Yom
Kippur (The Day of Atonement: I don't remember the exact translation just
this moment - ken?).  The ten days are the Days of Awe: one is supposed to
be acutely conscious of one's status as object of Divine scrutiny.  "On
Rosh Hashanah it is written {in the Book of Judgement} and on Yom Kippur it
is sealed... but penitence, prayer and charity avert the severe decree."
Sins against God will only be open for forgiveness *after* one has made
amends for sins agains one's fellow humans -- God does not grant absolution
for those, only the person(s) sinned against can forgive you.  

This is the most solemn and holy of the Jewish observances: jews who don't
set foot in temple or synagogue from one end of the year to the other
somehow don't feel right about missing the High Holy Days.  

Shanna/shanah = phonetic rendering of the hebrew word for 'year':
tova/tovah = ditto for "good, beneficial."   Jews greet each other at this
season with wishes for "A good year: a healthy, happy, and prosperous new
year."  

Hillel and Akiba were great
sages and philosophers who flourished before the jews were scattered out of
Israel by the Romans.  [I'm flying without a net here -- gotta go look up
those dates].  

Fiorello LaGuardia was mayor of New York City sometime when I was little:
he was a reform mayor, much beloved -- there was a musical play with many
memorable songs in it, chronicling his career: it was called, imaginatively
enough, -Fiorello!-  You don't have to be a New Yorker to enjoy it: anyone
with a love of words and wordplay will find entertainment in the
original-cast recording.

--bayla

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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: WORDS-L Cookbook

Asketh "()" <maya@CARINA.UNM.EDU>

>       "Words-L... where the EAT-L is killed or weakened."

> Speaking of which, would there be a recipe in such a cookbook explaining
>       exactly how to prepare the weak?

     "I know this little list you might enjoy.  Just send the message
'SUBSCRIBE WORDS-L Your Name' to the LISTSERV at uga.cc.uga.edu."
Does anybody else give them any more preparation?

The Ronin
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test message 2
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Me and Dan and a dog named ...Stan?
Date: 29 Sep 1992 05:31:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, CHRISS%CWU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Lobstrosities Unite) says:

>What, are Dan and I the only ones on this p.m.?  Where did the rest go?
>
They're all "....down at the Sunset Grill"......


>
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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:08:45 EDT
From:         Keith Hall <khall@S850.MWC.EDU>
Subject:      Techno....
Comments: To: emusic-l@auvm.american.edu

This message is directed towards the people who have been discussing
Techno music and the manner towards producing it.

If you need a hint, which I am not necessarily the person to be leaving
it, TECHNO MUSIC IS SAMPLES.  You can try all the sample CD's you want
and sound just like C&C, but hey thats not TECHNO.  The point in the
artform here is that it is created solely out of the manipulation of
sound.  The sounds are usually samples and the best manner to manipulate
a sample is with a sampler.  If you want to fall prey to the
manipulations of Free Enterprise/Big Business/Mass Indusry then buy the
CD and sample someone's word who will make you rich quick.  On the other
hand if you wish to create something, take some time at first and make
some good samples.  Try cutting parts of record scratches, coffee
machines drum samples, loop these small parts and be creative.

I must apologize for my synicism, but there is a chance for techno music
to be an artform and another chance for it to be the TOP-40 of the late
90's and 2000+.

Please, anybody with comment on this, I think it would be fruitful to
present them.



Keith Hall
khall@s850.mwc.edu
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From:         SEIFF@PACEVM.BITNET
Subject:      midi file formats

Does anyone have a copy of the specifications for MIDI file formats,
particularly Format 0 and Format 1. If so, could you please send it to me.
Thank you.

Joe Seif  <seiff@pacevm.bitnet>
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 22:16:00 PST
From:         BISHOP_M@PLU.BITNET
Subject:      Electronic Music School

This past academic year, I left a message on this list-server asking for infor
mation concerning the electronic music facilities, faculty, quality, focus of
the dept., etc...  Thanks to those who took the time to respond. I looked into
Wooster and Connecticut College and Cogswell (I personally visited the school).
        I am writing again because I still need more input so... If you would
like to write me or leave a message on the list-serv plugging your college, and
it's amazing facilities, please do. I will be a junior this coming year and I
desperately want to transfer to a school with some kind of research geared
toward the field of electronic music.
        I would appreciate any response, even a just a name of a school, so I
could research it on my own.


                                                        Thanks,

                                                        Mike Bishop

( Ceci n'est pas une pipe)
                                                        BISHOP_M@PLU.BITNET
                                                        Ordal Hall
                                                        Pacific Lutheran U.
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From:         gomide@FPSP.FAPESP.BR
Subject:      Apologies re: InterMeta course

PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY !
It is with regret that I perform this task. Dr. Gelson V. Gomes. a
professor of the University of Parana, Brazil, has exceeded this
privileges and announced a eletronic course:

> ____________________________________________________________
>        Mastering INTERNET Tools, Seizing METANET Power -
>                      The InterMeta Course
> ____________________________________________________________

I must apologize for this flagrant breach of network etiquette. Please
be aware that Dr. Gelson had no right to do so, since this is against
the rules of our ANSP network, and also against the Bitnet rules.
PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY!
I will not discuss what his motivations were. But his account has been
revoked, and there will be no such course through my network.

Please write by normal mail, to:
-> Gelson V. Gomes
-> 358, R. Alvaro Andrade - ap.1201
-> Curitiba PR BRAZIL 80610-240
to get more information on his objectives. He may want to give the
course by normal mail.  :-)

With regards,
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From:         "(Adam MIROWSKI)" <mir@OPUS.CHORUS.FR>
Subject:      Re: 8/16 bit
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>
> > Could _this_ be the diffrerence between a good vinyl record and a
> > cd (I know some people who state that vinyl, on a high end
> > player of course, is still a lot better than top-quality cd).
>
> [...] CD's probably give
> a more accurate output than even top of the range record players, but some
> people prefer the softer (less high frequencies) sound of records.

I just remembered an article which stated that some stereo signals
cannot be recorded on a vinyl disk. This concerned signals where
the L and R components are out of phase by 90 or 180 degres (don't
remember which value). They are supposed to not move the record
cutter head at all "because of physical impossibilities." This could
be a source of particular signal distortions which HE equipment
snobs could appreciate... Also, there are distortions due to the
RIAA companding every record has.

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