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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:30:43 -0500
From:         "jones, mark" <JMJONES@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood

Hey Maks,
My wife told me about seeing Clinton's visit with Mr. Rogers on the
Disney Channel a couple of days ago. She said that not only is he
a good saxophone player, but he has a decent singing voice too! They
sang "This Little Light of Mine". Not exactly "Amazing Grace", but I
guess it *was* politically correct!

Ah shah yoah paain! (raspy voice..) (Arkansasian for "I share your pain")

Seriously, I respect our President and stand behind him. But we must PRAY!!!
Whatever we think of him, we have a duty to support and pray for him now.
I am serious when I say that if President Clinton can get his priorities
straight (a good dose of the Holy Ghost would be AWESOME) He has the potential
and ability to be one of the greatest presidents we have ever had.

I don't understand why he does what he does. A lot of his thinking seems
foreign to me. But as I understand it he does profess faith in Jesus.
I have to believe him. I want to believe him.

Maks, this is not a rebuttal or rebuke of your Clinton post. You've
never offended me with anything. I'm just "thinking outloud". Has anyone
else really felt uneasy this week with the changing of the guard, the hoopla
and hearing about some of President Clinton's plans for his first official
acts? I heard Dr. Dobson say yesterday that we need to just bombard heaven
with prayer during this "first one hundred days" that we are told are so
critical to a presidency. I agree 100%.

A challenge: Lets do it as a body from Christia. Let's pray for Bill Clinton
as though he were on our list.

I'm too distracted to write a prayer right now, but later... Thanks everyone
Its still such sweet comfort to know that God is in control of it all!!
And it sure helps build ones faith to have friends like you all to talk with.
Mark
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Subject:      quotes

>And one for The Stakeholder:
>----------------------------
>
>"He who fights with monsters might take care,
>lest he thereby become a monster.
>And if you gaze for long into an abyss,
>the abyss gazes into you."
>
>                - Nietzsche (Jenseus von Gut Bose)

{Hmmph, though the Stakeholder, not thinking very much of *that* sentiment.
Although he at least knew who Nietzche was -- what Walter Gropius' school
of design had to do with Lugosi was quite beyond him.  Oh, well.  He
shrugged and reached out towards Fitzhugh who, for the first time that day,
had deigned to look in his direction.  The cat frowned at him, however: the
Stakeholder's long absence had not yet been forgiven, obviously.}

                  <<<<<:::::<<<<<-----*----->>>>>:::::>>>>>

                                            ...and he would see
             Things that ne'er were, nor are, nor ne'er will be.

                    -- Sir John Suckling, _The Goblins_, Epilogue [1639]

                  <<<<<:::::<<<<<-----*----->>>>>:::::>>>>>

             There's no such thing in Nature, and you'll draw
             A faultless monster which the world ne'er saw.

                    -- John Sheffield, _Essay on Poetry_

                  <<<<<:::::<<<<<-----*----->>>>>:::::>>>>>

     She is older than the rocks among which she sits; like the vampire,
     she has been dead many times, and learned the secrets of the grave...

              -- Walter Pater, _The Renaissance_, describing the Mona Lisa
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From:         Brenda Curry-White <BSCURR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Through the eyes of a child

All of you not interested in reading mushy parent stuff delete now...

Sarah, my 5 month old, is becoming such a little personality.  She has learned
a new game that made me laugh so much last night I almost cried, so I have to
share it with you.  Sarah was lying on the floor playing with toys.  I laid
down beside her on my side.  She raised her head and shoulders up to look
for her daddy behind me.  He had to end up getting on the floor with us to
play peek-a-boo behind my back.  She laughed and laughed.  Then her daddy
rolled over on his back and put his feet up in the air like she likes to do.
She immediately rolled over and did the same thing.  We all laughed so
hard, it was so cute.  When God created children, he out-did every other
part of his beautiful creation.

It must be hard to live Sarah's life!

Brenda
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:54:18 -0600
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I am looking to buy a zyxel modem and a cd rom drive for my next turbo.
Would anyone who has purchased any of these recently give me
advice as to where       I can get tehh best prices?
thanks,
dan
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:39:14 MDT
From:         Fred Fowler <frefow@FREFOW.AUTO-TROL.COM>
Subject:      Re: compulsory state education
              93 7:00 pm

>
> #Albuquerque, New Mexico - Christine, a 16 year old girl who rides the
> #   school bus, was talking recently to her schoolmates about the Lord.
> #   Her bus driver warned her that she was not allowed to discuss religion
> #   or politics on the bus. When she continued to share her faith, her
> #   Vice Principal warned her that "Talking about the Lord was ENDANGERING
> #   THE LIVES of the other students on the bus."
> #     The ACLJ has been alerted.
>
> I'd have to say this depends on what she is doing. If she is discussing,
> fine. If she is taking advantage of the fact that the other students
> are confined in the bus to "witness" at them against their will, not so
> fine.
>
> The state requires that all students attend an acceptable school. Moreover,
> another student doing anything (whether this be insults, harassment, or
> "forced witnessing") which takes advantage of the forced schooling or
> the transportation to or from school is *wrong*.
>
> --Dave
>
> Disclaimer: Not my employers opinion and all that necessary rubbish.
>
> --
> Dave Weinstein
> dweinste@carl.org
> CARL Systems, Inc. - Systems that Inform
>

   The obvious conclusion is that compulsory state-controlled
   education is wrong.
                                             Fred Fowler
                                             frefow@frefow.auto-trol.com
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:00:02 CST
From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      Awesome God!

"Our God is an Awesome God / He reigns from Heaven above /
with Wisdom, Power and Love / Our God is An Awesome God!"
---------
Dear Lord Jesus,
Thank you so much for Christians all over the world who aren't
ashamed to speak your Holy and Matchless name to those who need
you most.  I pray humbly that you'd touch each member of CHRISTIA,
and give them boldness, strength, courage and most of all, the
OPPORTUNITY to share Your love with those they meet.
Thanks so much, Lord, for friends I've met over this list.
I know before I even ask, that these mighty Prayer Warriors will
lift up the many requests I post here.  I ask that You extend to
these Warriors of the Faith, the un-inhibited Grace to reach the
throne with whatever they ask.  Also, for an open line in ANY situation.
(I know it's already there...)
Keep us all safe, Dear Jesus.  For those of my Christia buddies who
travel this week, bless and hold them in your Protection whether they
come or go, and where ever they go, give them the chance to speak for
You.  Thank you so much for the snow up north-it's beautiful when it
snows-and we all recognize your Creative Masterpiece in everything
You do.  The rain this week that has flooded Hattiesburg was needed.
So was the rain in San Diego.  You know all needs everywhere, and
You meet those needs.  As I watch the Sun peak from behind the rain
clouds,  I praise Your Name for the light it brings.
I don't remember all the requests made here today, Lord-but you do.
Meet each need according to Your will, and give us the Grace to
accept that.  We'll continue to praise and Honor You always.
        Theresa

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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:09:58 -0500
From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Marinava
              27 Jan 1993 12:20:25 EST from <harling@ROADRUNNER.PICTEL.COM>

On Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:20:25 EST Dan Harling said:
>> Date: 27 Jan 1993 10:45:00 -0600 (CST)
>> From: MB09%SWTEXAS.BITNET@asu.edu
>> Subject: Marinava
>> To: Multiple recipients of list CHRISTIA <CHRISTIA@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>
>>
>> Do any of you know what the word Marinava means?  While visiting my parents
>> in Idaho in December, the musicians kept singing this in a song.  I was
>> curious as to what it means.  I also saw the word as the name of a Christian
>> school up there.  I am not sure of the spelling, but it sounds like I
>> spelled it.
>
>How about "maranatha"?  I'll leave the definition to somebody else,
>mainly because I'm not sure myself.

I believe "Maranatha" simply means "Come Lord Jesus."

Maks
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:59:43 -0600
From:         jim coen <coen@ACC.WUACC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Just what do we want?

I noticed something interesting in this morning's newspaper. There were TWO
prominent news articles featured.

    1. One dealt with the recommendation of the new Treasury Secretary
       Lloyd Bentsen to *raise* taxes on energy consumptions in this
       country. (Everyone knows (?) that we need to raise taxes in order
       to counter the deficit.)

    2. The second article dealt with how Congress plans to spend the *extra*
       money they will have when they cut back the Pentegon budget.

This makes no sense to me. Can *anyone* explain it?

Jim Coen
coen@acc.wuacc.edu
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:23:18 MST
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Subject:      Re: Movies & Ratings

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
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>From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (D. Keith Rice)
>Subject: Re: Movies & Ratings
>Organization: University of North Texas
>Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:20:52 GMT

In <01GTY2LSND6Q99DJVR@asu.edu> Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
writes:

>It is not impossible for a person to "fall from grace" in the popular
>Christian world (see Little Richard, Bob Dylan, Stryper, etc.)

Kerry,

Please elaborate on this.


Keith

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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:24:56 -0600
From:         jesse carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Jesse on tongues vs. canon

Dear all ;

Following on the heels of Don Roberts, I have just a short post here on the
tongues issue.

Due to the fact that when tongues were interpreted, they became tantamount
to direct Divine revelation, and  because the canon of the Scriptures is a
closed and done deal, I therefore assertthat tongues WERE a valid gift, as
well as prophecy.

When we bring in 2 Timothy 3:16-17 into the picture, what we see is that the
Word of God alone is SUFFICIENT for all of our spiritual needs.
If tongues and prophecy were still validly operating today, the Sufficiency
of the Word would be in question.  So is there a NEED for more direct Divine
revelation in light of 2 Tim. 3:16-17?  If there is not, the issue of tongues
becomes rather academic, and if so, then the varacity of 2 Timothy 3 is
equally academic.


Jesse Carnes

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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:30:00 GMT
From:         CAROL L <Z_STAFF_CL@SOUTHAMPTON-INSTITUTE.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Ten Commandments.

Date: 22 Jan 1993 11:02:41 -0500
From: Eric James Ewanco <ewanco@COM.DEC.MLO>
Subject: Re: Ten Commandments.

> Obviously Jesus thought differently.  He told the rich man, "You know
> the commandments." He obviously desired us to obey the commandments.

responding to :
Excerpts from christia: 22-Jan-93 Re: Ten Commandments.
"DRCV06::GRAHAM"@DRCVAX. (775)

> I think it should be pointed out that it does not make any difference
> whether the Ten Commandments are commands or suggestions, they are not
> applicable to the New Covenant Christian.  In 2 Cor. 3, Paul calls them
> a "ministry of death."  Now, why on earth would you want to keep a
> ministry of death?


Might I suggest that if you look at the passages relating to the law,
Jesus superceeded them with directions that reinforced them.

I have no doubt that He is the fulfillment of the las yet he told
people that if they even thought about it, they might as well have
committed the sin in God's eyes.

I think we've got a more exacting path than the law.  Thank God for
Jesus to put us back on the path when we stumble off it.

Carol A Long,  Southampton Institute of Higher Education, England
        email     :  Z_STAFF_CL@UK.AC.SOUTHAMPTON-INSTITUTE
DISCLAIMER - merely musings unless otherwise stated.
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:16:00 -0500
From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject:      Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood

    Rush, Mr. Rogers gives Clinton a gift. (several days ago)

    MAKS> This one talks more so on "Symbolism over Substance", and doesn't
          have a whole lot to base it on here, but I found it quite funny
          and yet giving me something to think about. I think it appears
          Clinton doesn't think his words out at times.

    Mr. Rogers: We have brought you something for you and your family to
help you along the way. (Hands Mr. Clinton the "trolley")

    Clinton: You know, the Clinton family likes Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood,
and if we can make every neighborhood like Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood,
America would be a happier place.

    Rush: We would all be better people.

    But we can't go back to the days of Ozzie and Harriet though. (MAKS>
No, I guess not. Look at the flack Quale took.) We can't go back to that.
"No. No. Not to those days, that's not realistic." You can't expect
people to go back and live wholesome lives, but we can all go to the
"Neighborhood" (Spoken in Mr. Rogers' voice.)

    Do you know what that trolley symbolizes? This is maybe a negative
omen. See, she does, she knows. If you watch Mr. Rogers, you know that
that trolley takes you to "The Land Of Make Believe." That's what it is.

    Maks --------------------------------------------------------------->
    Now this post has to do with the "Symbolism over substance". It is
only supposition that Clinton REALLY believes that we should be like Mr.
Rogers' Neighborhood, but then again, so much of what he says seems to
constantly border on this.

    Rush calls him "The President without a soul". I wonder. Character
does matter. I'm told it's not relevant, but the people groaned under
Saul when he lost God's calling. Talk has it that the repeal of the Gag
rule, homosexuals in the military, and fetal tissue research will be the
be law by next week. I'm hoping the March For Life so astounds him that
he pauses to reconsider. I heard the Roe vs. Wade gathering was VERY
SMALL. Was anyone there? (Not at the gathering, of course, but maybe
working there, going to lunch or what ever?)

    What to pray? I'm not really sure? CHRISTIA talked about judgement in
an excellent post. The Hebrews were protected in that judgement, but the
Egyptians suffered. Will that be our fate?

    Anyhow, there are other things I want to address, so onward. This
wasn't even one of my scheduled postings. ;-)

Maks
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:15:18 MST
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Subject:      Re: Contraceptives as treatment for illnesses

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
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>From: ricko@ee.uts.edu.au (Rick Jelliffe)
>Subject: Re: Contraceptives as treatment for illnesses
>Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
>Date: 20 Jan 93 06:56:53 GMT

Eric James Ewanco <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM> writes:

>Excerpts from christia: 15-Jan-93 Re: Contraceptives as treat..
>ga921008@MCIS.MESSIAH.ED (83)

>> The Pill is less dangerous than being pregnant.  Believe it, or not.
>>
>> -Greg Aist

>And so is abortion. . .

unless you are in the womb

-ricko
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:27:07 -0500
From:         Marissa Ratcliff <MRATCLIF@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: March for Life, etc.

Dear Marty and all,

   Have you read Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal?"  Yes, this is the same S
wift that wrote "Gulliver's Travels."  "A Modest Proposal" is a short paper, us
ually published in classroom anthologies, such as Norton's Anthology.  With all
 the argument about legal abortion and it's possible consequences for other chi
ldren not born "perfect" I reread it last night.  I found it very relevent for
our times.

   Let me know if any of you have read it.


Marissa Ratcliff              Document Delivery
University of GA              Science Library
Athens, GA
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From:         Bill J Good <billgood@WORLD.STD.COM>
Subject:      Re: Mormon/LDS

Hi Maks,

   Some Christians DO believe in purgatory. They include Catholics and
Latter Day Saints.

Bill Good
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:25:00 CST
From:         MB09@SWTEXAS.BITNET
Subject:      Numbers

Hello all,

I am back on the list after about 5 months of being nomail.  I am enjoying
the posts very much.  Things seemed to have toned down quite a bit since I
set nomail in August.  I see a lot more love and prayer out there and not
as much arguing.  I like that so much better!  I am not sure how long I will
be able to stay on because of the volume, but I hope that I can stay for a
while as this list is very uplifting for me.

As a few of you know I had a baby on October 9.  His name is Nicholas Matthew.
What a blessing he is to me!  It is exciting and scary being a parent.

Some of you know that I am involved in the pro-life movement.  I just wanted
to correct a figure that I saw out there about the number of abortions since
abortion was legalized 20 years ago.  Bryan D. Boyle mentioned that "over 15
million souls have never had the chance to experience life."  At the Texas
State Rally for Life this weekend in Austin, TX they mentioned that the number
is about 30 million.  (BTW, Nicholas was on the 10:00 news that night!!!)

If you are against this brutal slaying of the unborn, please write to your
congresspeople and to President Clinton against the FOCA (so called Freedom
of Choice Act).  If you would like more information about this, send mail
to MB09@SWTEXAS.BITNET.

May Christ's Peace and Love be with you,

Michelle
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From:         MICHELE LOFTON <MLOFTON@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Last night's Ruch Limbaugh Show

> So, in what manner does Rush not care about the truth, and in what ways
> does Rush use humor to cut down people, rather than ideas?

Even if you do agree with him, don't you notice how he talks about people.
I don't know why Rush supporters say they have no idea what others are
complaining about.

One thing, he doesn't use humor to cut down people; he just cuts them
down. I don't see why his audience finds his stuff so funny when it's
insults.  Someone turns on the applause sign and the audience responds.
Since he compares himself the late-night talk show hosts; you will notice
that the others bomb every once in a while. But, with Rush every sentence
is followed by huge laughter.

Instead of showing respect for others with different ideas, he calls them
names and have pictures of their faces on sperm.  Why?   He thinks the way
to respond is to call someone an airhead or refer to them as bitter
liberals.   He says the other news media is the liberal media, however I
never hear Peter Jennings, Dan Rather, or Tom Brokaw refer to people
has bitter conservatives.

Why do Christians support someone who lifts himself up by putting down
others?  He calls people names and say their ideas are stupid.

Michele Lofton <MLOFTON@USMCP6.BITNET>
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