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From: cook@bebop.esd.sgi.com (Doug Cook)
Subject: looking for epazote
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 06:07:32 GMT


Anyone know where I can find epazote (herb used in Oaxacan and
Yucatecan cooking) in the bay area (preferably south bay?) I think
I can track down some seeds and grow my own, but it would be nice
to not wait months before I can cook some killer dishes with it. 
It's really pretty common in southern Mexican cuisine, but I've yet
to see any in stores around, including ones that carry primarily
Mexican foods.

An interesting aside: apparently "epazote" means "skunk excrement"
in Nahuatl.

	-Doug

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From: llittle@tis.llnl.gov (Larry Little)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re:  Livermore Eats
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:19:34 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: LLNL

lake@cwjcc.INS.CWRU.Edu (Dr. Robin Lake) writes:
>I'll be spending next week in Livermore (LLNL).  any suggestions for
>restaurants in the area?  Breakfast spots?

Our division gets lots of visitors.  We always advise them to stay at
one of the many hotels in Pleasanton.  Then your choices for food in
that area (including Dublin, San Ramon, and Danville) are order of 
magnitude better than in Livermore.

There were two earlier responders to your posting.  I heartily support
the suggestion for Lemon Grass.  Especially the daily specials on the
whiteboard.  Most of the menu items are good, but not *as* good.  
Great Szechuan is good food, and is a great bargain.  The best 
restaurant in this immediate area (Liv/Pleas/Dub/SR) is Wente
Brothers, on the south side of Livermore.  Nice drive a couple of
miles through the wine country.  Around $25 for food, plus whatever
you want to spend on wine.  Livermore Joe's (an earlier posting) is
not, in my opinion, in the same category as these.

In Pleasanton, for Chinese, Blessings on Santa Rita Road.  Very good.  
For Mexican, Chevy's.  But for their fajitas only, not for the
traditional Mexican dishes.  The fajitas are very good.

In Dublin, Tomoe for Japanese, Prince India (Indian, obviously), and
Frankie, Johnnie, & Luigi Too (pizza and Italian).

In San Ramon, California Cafe (California cuisine; whatever that is,
it's good), Max's Diner (50's style diner, fun food), Uncle Yu's 
Szechuan (our favorite Chinese restaurant this side of Oakland; 
try the Singapore noodles and the mu shu pork), The Fisherman 
(Mediterranean seafood).

In Danville, Bridges (this and Wente Bros. are the finest restaurants
in this area), Faz (Mediterranean), Marcello's (Italian), Saro's 
(Italian), Yuki's (Japanese), Rising Loafer (for lunch, if you're here 
over the weekend; my favorite place for lunch; try the chicken salad 
sandwich, the best I've found; they're a bakery that serves food also).
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From: jtteh@borland.com (J.T. Teh)
Subject: Re: Indonesian/Malaysian food in South Bay?
Originator: jtteh@genghis.borland.com
Keywords: Indonesian, Malaysian, South Bay
Organization: Borland International, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:55:26 GMT

If you ever happen to find yourself over the hill in Santa Cruz,
there's a really nice Malaysian/Thai style restaurant in Aptos
on Soquel Ave called "Pacific Rim Cafe". Their buffet lunch is
really value for money and they have Malaysian kaya as dessert.

For those who don't know, kaya is the a kind of coconut jam made
of coconut milk, eggs, sugar (or gula melaka depending on the
variation) and some sort of grass (lemon grass or pandan leaves?).

They also have a dinner buffet but I've never tried it.

The owner/chef is from Penang, Malaysia so I guess that is as
authentic as you can get. Wonder if he makes Penang Char Kwey Teow,
or Penang laksa. Makes me salivate just thinking of Penang food....

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Newsgroups: ba.food,rec.food.restaurants
From: louis@well.sf.ca.us (Louis Jaffe)
Subject: Re: Indonesian/Malaysian food in San Francisco
Keywords: Indonesian, Malaysian, Baghdad by the Bay
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:24:38 GMT

I second the recommendation for Jakarta restaurant on Balboa.  Have been to
Straits a couple of times and definitely prefer Jakarta.

LJ
From: djl@dplace.UUCP (Dave Lampe)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Livermore eats?
Date: 5 Nov 92 00:41:38 GMT
Organization: Dave's Used Software Works, Livermore, CA

lake@cwjcc.INS.CWRU.Edu (Dr. Robin Lake) writes:

>I'll be spending next week in Livermore (LLNL).  any suggestions for
>restaurants in the area?  Breakfast spots?

In Livermore, I'm afraid there isn't much.  For breakfast you are pretty much
limited to whatever hotel you are staying in or Lyons.  Passible, but 
nothing to get excited about.  For dinner, Great Szechuan on 1st street
is a good chinese restaurant, and Lemon Grass, also on 1st is Thai.  There
is a good Japanese restaurant, Hanabishi, in the Albertson's shopping center
on Railway Ave.  If you are looking for food at 3 o'clock in the morning,
the place to go is Mally's on 1st street.  It is a dinner that has been there
forever and is still serving the same kind of food, burgers, meatloaf, chicken
chow-mein (it has a chinese cook).  It also serves the biggest cheapest steak
in town.

If you want to go to Pleasanton, 5 miles west, there are several good
restaurants.  Main street has the Pleasanton hotel, an old elegent
(jacket and tie) dining room.  Also on Main is Bruno's Italian restaurant.
Just off Main is La Rochelle which I have been told has very good French
food.
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From: roger@genie.UUCP (Roger H. Scott)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Indonesian/Malaysian food in South Bay?
Keywords: Indonesian, Malaysian, South Bay
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:36:56 GMT
Reply-To: roger@genie.UUCP (Roger H. Scott)
Distribution: ba
Organization: proCASE Corporation, Santa Clara, CA

In article <2075@coyote.UUCP> pms@akbar.almaden.ibm.com (Peter M. Schwarz) writes:
>I can recommend Ori-Deli in San Jose, ...

I was not very impressed with Ori Deli, but then again I didn't find the food
in Indonesia (Bali, at least) to be that thrilling, either.  Malaysian food
seems to be much more fun (read: *intense*), but regular-old Malay food is
*very* hard to find in restaurants here.  What you *can* find, however, is
Nonya food, which is a Malaysian/Chineese hybrid popular in Singapore.  Straights
Cafe, which has been mentioned recently, is basically a Nonya-style place, as
is the Singapore-Malaysian Restaurant (which am very fond of).  `Twould be nice
if such a place existed south of S.F. ...
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Sunday Flee Markets down the coast?
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:16:46 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.

In article <1992Nov11.175842.2581@PacBell.COM> kxbehni@srv.PacBell.COM writes:
>Fellow GrubHounds,
>
>I am planning a day trip this Sunday. I would greatly appreciate tips on Sunday
>flee markets and/or farmer's Markets in coastal towns between Half Moon Bay and
> Monterey.
>
Watsonville has started an open air market on Sundays 10-4, its downtown,
I think on Lake - I haven't been there yet so I don't know what all they 
have 

>as for lunch, is Central Texas BBQ open on Sundays?
>
yes it is - I believe Don opens in time for lunch and stays open 

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From: chew@macross.csd.sgi.com (Stephen Chew)
Subject: Re: san mateo food
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:30:00 GMT

In article <1ds6kmINNfrr@morrow.stanford.edu>, HF.JGW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Weitz, Janet) writes:
|> I'll be meeting friends from out of the area in San Mateo for
|> breakfast this weekend.  Any ideas of places to have breakfast or
|> lunch?

you could try Capellini on B St.  I can't remeber the cross street.
I've never been there for lunch or Breakfast but it's my favorite 
restaurant in San Mateo.  It is a trendy/fancy Italian restaurant
and the Food is excellent.  It was a real find for me.

Also on B St. is a tiny Chinese restaurant and I can't remember 
the name of it but it serves authentic Taiwanese cuisine. (or so 
I've been told since I'm not Taiwanese)  The place is Between 
3 rd and Capellini on the left coming from third.  It only has
two rows of tables.  (Taiwanese style brunch is very good)
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From: chew@macross.csd.sgi.com (Stephen Chew)
Newsgroups: ba.food,rec.food.restaurants
Subject: Re: Indonesian/Malaysian food in San Francisco
Keywords: Indonesian, Malaysian, Baghdad by the Bay
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:08:28 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Though I have not been there, a friend of mine recommends
Borubudar on Geary.  It's named after on of the Seven Wonders
of the world.  

Has anyone been there?  The friend that recommended it is Indonesian
From Jakarta and very picky about food.  Some friends had a gathering
there and everyone enjoyed it but I couldn't make it.
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From: mwy10@cd.amdahl.com (Mathew W. Yee)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: san mateo food
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:26:22 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1ds6kmINNfrr@morrow.stanford.edu>,
HF.JGW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Weitz, Janet) writes:
>I'll be meeting friends from out of the area in San Mateo for
>breakfast this weekend.  Any ideas of places to have breakfast or
>lunch?
>
>Janet

If you're looking for fairly standard American fare, try First Watch.  It's
near B street.  I don't remember the address, but I'm fairly sure that it's
in the phone book.
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From: dchef@leland.Stanford.edu (David Van Ham Cohen)
Subject: Looking for a very nice restaurant (~near Cal)
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 07:08:30 GMT


My parents are coming down to the bay area for Big Game this year, and my  
brother (at Cal) and I (at Stanford) are trying to find a very nice  
restaurant where our family can have a quiet dinner after Stanford wins  
the game.  I am looking for a place reasonably close to Cal Berkeley  
(heck, the city's not too far) with a quiet and tasteful atmosphere, and  
of course good food (any type is fine).  Please e-mail me your  
recommendations for this special occasion.

Thank you,


David Cohen
dchef@leland.Stanford.edu
From: stan@ntg.com (Stan Shepard)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Local wines??
Summary: Local wines
Date: 7 Nov 92 22:17:03 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA

In article <1dc5j8INNcv0@agate.berkeley.edu> mossman@sag1.ssl.berkeley.edu () writes:
>I'm heading back to the East for the holidays and I wanted to bring
>a California wine or two as presents. But most of the big names are
>easily available country-wide. Does anyone have suggestion for 
>moderately priced 'local' wines? Red, white, other (rose?). 
>
>Amy Mossman

	If your looking for something not readily available back, I would
try a small boutique winery.

	With the normal disclaimers about not knowing the preferences of
those for whom the gifts are intended, or what you mean by 'moderately priced'
I have the following suggestions:

	V. Sattui Winery  (California) Madeira  about $16 / bottle
	This is a little on the expensive side, but does make a nice
	gift.  It is a fortified port type wine.  Stores well, keeps
	well after it has been opened, etc.

	V. Sattui Winery Johannesburg Reisling Off Dry  about $8 / bottle
	A good picnic wine.  Sweet (e.g. not dry).

	Peju Province Carnival about $8 / bottle
	Another good picnic wine, mostly French Columbard

	Villa Mt Eden 1980 Cabernet Savingon  about $12 / bottle
	A good well aged Cailfornia Cabernet a little past its prime, but
	still very good.  Interesting in that most people never get to taste
	well aged Cab's.

	The above wines should all be available at the wineries.  All
above wineries are in the Napa Valley.


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From: stan@ntg.com (Stan Shepard)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Voter stub specials
Keywords: voter stub
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:41:48 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA

In article <1992Nov4.175420.10441@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> terry@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov writes:
>In article <1d6j3hINNcsm@agate.berkeley.edu>, mrum@pyrolab.Berkeley.EDU (Marc Rumminger) writes:
>|> 
>|> i want to get what's coming to me.  i voted, and now want to milk
>|> my voting stub for everything it's worth.
>
>Sorry to throw a damper on this, but your voting stub is not worth
>anything (other than personal satisfaction for having exercised your
>right). It is a violation of federal law to offer/receive any
>reward/compensation for your voting stub if federal (national) seats
>were involved in the election. Businesses who offer discounts or other
>"voting stub" specials are in violation of the law and may soon find
>themselves in court.
>

	True, but it is not against the law to offer voter specials.  Just
to require some to produce a STUB.  In the past, serveral places have gotten
around the law buy simply asking someone if they voted.  If the answer is
yes they get the discount.  Sort of like "Do you want a discount?".

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From: vandenbe@crayxmp.lmsc.lockheed.com (J.A. Vanden Beukel)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re:Indonesian Food in San Francisco
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:02:48 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Spaces Co.

You might try a restaurant called Jakarta on Balboa near 7th.  My wife and I ate there about three weeks ago and enjoyed it greatly.  They have a reasonable selection of items on the menu, and will make other items if you request it.  They didn't have bahmi goreng on the menu but made it for us anyway.  We also had nasi goreng and satays.  According to the original post that led us there they also have a good rijstaffel.  We got there about 6:00 on a Friday night and were the first people there, but the pl





ace was full by the time we left, so you might want to make reservations.  Try the deep fried banana for dessert!

I also second the recommendation for Ori-Deli in San Jose.

Jeff Vanden Beukel
Newsgroups: ba.food,rec.food.restaurants
From: berry@well.sf.ca.us (John Thomas Berry)
Subject: Re: Indonesian/Malaysian food in San Francisco
Keywords: Indonesian, Malaysian, Baghdad by the Bay
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:16:56 GMT


Jakarta, on Balboa near 6th or 7th Ave. is an excellent Indonesian
restaurant. By the way, I noticed that it has a 2-for-1 coupon in the
new Entertainment '93 ticket book (SF/San Mateo edition) which various
charities sell around the Bay Area.
                                         --Nancy Berry--
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From: janet@ntmtv.UUCP (Janet Jakstys)
Subject: Chestnuts (repost)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:23:03 GMT

My address was messed up the first time.  Please excuse the repost.

Does anybody know of a place in the bay area to get a good deal
on Chestnuts?

Thx.
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From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Mexican Food (was: Gringo Fratboys)
Date: 5 Nov 92 02:37:07 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences

In article <1cs7vdINN7o5@agate.berkeley.edu> dgm@garnet.berkeley.edu
(D.G. Meads) writes:
>> Most folks I know who
>>like Tex-Mex (and who have had the real thing in Texas) don't like
>>Chevy's.  Then again, I know people who like Tex-Mex and eat at
>>Chili's and Bennigan's. 1/2 :-)

Here's a native Texan who likes Tex-Mex but who thinks Chevy's serves
good, decent, fresh Mexican food (not Tex-Mex) when I'm desperate and
can't get to !Salud! in San Francisco.  El Dorado in Palo Alto was
marvelous, but it disappeared a couple of years ago. Does anyone know
what happened to the chef?

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From: BL.JYC@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jon Corelis)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Local wines??
Date: 5 Nov 1992 16:07:07 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

   Schramsberg sparkling wines (you're not supposed to call it
"Champagne" unless it comes from there) are excellent and compare
favorably to any French product.  The Blanc de noir is best.  It's
around $20.00 a bottle most places, so I don't know whether that's
moderate.  Worth it though, and hard to get outside of California.

   One lesser-known winery I've found to make excellent wines is
Pine Ridge.  The Merlot is particularly good.  I've seen bottles in
the $10-15 dollar range.

   Another tip:  in my opinion Sonoma wines are as good as Napa
ones, but they tend to be cheaper because they don't have the "name
recognition."

   In the lower price ranges, Fetzer chardonnays are good for the
price and I think aren't widely known nationally.

   Supposedly the current "hot" California winemaker is Chalone, but
I've never tried any.  Expensive.  If you try some, let us know.
Newsgroups: ba.food
From: jselburn@Cadence.COM (Jordan Selburn)
Subject: Re: Local wines??
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:34:21 GMT

I'd consider any of the red wines by Bonny Doon winery.
They're all good, probably not readily available on the
east coast, and have GREAT labels.  Check out "Old
Telegram" and "Le Cigar Volant".  These are both Rhone
style reds - the latest "hot" wines.

For zinfandel you might want to try Storybook Mountain
or Ravenswood.  Ridge is local and also very good, but
may been available in the east.

For white wines, Caymus makes a killer barrel-fermented
Sauvignon Blanc and a white blend called Conundrum that's
quite good also.  Obester in Half Moon Bay makes a 
good Sauvignon Blanc also.

Cheers!

Jordan
jselburn@Cadence.com
From: james@cats.ucsc.edu (James C. Bohem)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Local wines??
Date: 6 Nov 1992 01:57:24 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


BL.JYC@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jon Corelis) writes:
>   Supposedly the current "hot" California winemaker is Chalone, but
>I've never tried any.  Expensive.  If you try some, let us know.

Interesting, since they area a relatively small, not well-known
winery way out in the middle of nowhere (off CA 146 between the
west side of the Pinnacles and Soledad; not open for tasting).

Their Pinot Blanc is one of the finest whites I've ever had,
and at ~$20 a bottle, there are lots of overpriced Napa
and Sonoma Chardonnays you could spend more on... but if
they're "hot" now, that price may not last.

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From: HF.JGW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Weitz, Janet)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: san mateo food
Date: 12 Nov 1992 15:25:06 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov12.192057.17749@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
zimm@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dylan Yolles) writes:
>In article <1ds6kmINNfrr@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.JGW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Weitz, Janet) writes:
>>I'll be meeting friends from out of the area in San Mateo for
>>breakfast this weekend.  Any ideas of places to have breakfast or
>>lunch?
>>
>>Janet
>
>Cafe for All Seasons in San Mateo is a pretty good place, very good
>for lunch. Also, didn't the owner of Kuleto's open up a trendy Italian
>place in SM that's become obscenely popular? Perhaps someone else
>remembers...
>
>Dylan
>
I think you are talking about Cappelini.  It is VERY popular and
VERY good. Thanks for the suggestion.

Janet
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Newsgroups: ba.food
Subject: Re: Sunday Flee Markets down the coast?
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:24:35 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.

[ stuff deleted ]
>>>
>>>as for lunch, is Central Texas BBQ open on Sundays?
>>
>>Yep.
>
>O.K., so I'm new to the region so forgive the novice question-
>
>What is Central Texas BBQ, where, etc...
>
Central Texas BBQ is located on Main street in Castroville - its a 
hole in the wall (Don's getting ready to build a bigger place down
the street (closer to hwy 1) - it's between hwy 1 and hwy 183? that
cuts away from hwy 101 to get to the Monterey peninsula
IMHO Central Texas BBQ serves the best BBQ food around - Don (who 
looks like a skinny Willy Nelson) slow cooks his brisket so you
can cut it with a fork - he also has pork and beef ribs, hot
sausages and chicken - this gets served up with a salad (bar),
beans, onion, pickle & bread - sodas, beer & wine available -
he also can set the stuff up to go

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