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From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: 1993 POC
Date: 15 Oct 1992 00:21:10 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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In article <1992Oct14.220404.24584@stortek.com>, pae@blackcat.
stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt) wrote (re: 1993 POC):
 
|>From Tami Vogel in the DCI office:
|> 
|>The 1993 DCI Preview of Champions will be held July 30-31 in Ypsilanti, MI. 
|>This is the place where DCI North was held for several yeras; Tami reports
|>that there have been extensive stadium renovations done recently.
|> 
|>--phil
 
Hot DAMN!  I have the second best show of the year in my back yard! 
This makes up for not going to Nationals since 1984.  I'm already
looking forward to meeting some of you in the flesh.
 
Yes, Rynearson Stadium at Eastern Michigan University (in Ypsi) has
been undergoing renovations for the past two years.  It's supposedly
much better and somewhat bigger, although I doubt concert side can
seat more than 20,000 (25,000 at the outside).  I'll call EMU and
the Ypsi Visitor and Convention Bureau to check.
 
I bet Northern Aurora and Glassmen are pleased at the location.
Drum Corps North (the show in Ypsi/Canton MI) has been historically
very friendly to them.
 
Still giggling with glee,
 
Vince
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: ck10322@china.medtronic.com (Cameron Kaszas)
Subject: Jackson stadium and 1993 drill designs.
Organization: Medtronic, Inc., Minneapolis, MN
       
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:15:10 GMT

- Cam
From: jdonsbac@cvbnet.prime.com (Jeff Donsbach)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Drum Solo Solutions
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:24:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computervision, Bedford MA

In article <16406494@um.cc.umich.edu>, R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu writes:
|> In a recent message, mhughes@miamiu.bitnet (Mike Hughes), posted a
|> 3/4 section of the 1979 North Star drum solo "Cookout".  I marched
|> to that solo and don't remember any 3/4 section.  What part of the
|> solo was it?  If you have videotapes, what were the horns doing?
|> The only section I can think you were writing about was when the horns
|> were halted and doing hand flag work and that was either syncopated
|> 4/4 or 3/8.
|>  
|> If you have the transcription, please send it to me (R.Vincent.Lamb@
|> um.cc.umich.edu) along with a key to understand the notation (I didn't
|> read the newsgroup for 2 weeks and the relevant posting must have expired
|> before I read it).  I'll copy it off and send it to the North Star Alumni
|> Newsletter to see if the drummers recognize it.
|>  
|> Vince

Or, if someone could send it to me again (along with the transcription key;
I didn't save it either since I didn't think it was "finalized"), I can
ask a friend of mine, Steve "Stein" Cavanaugh, about it. He marched in the
NorthStar snare line in '79.....

-Jeff

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From: KPW104@psuvm.psu.edu (K-JAMZ)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re : BOA
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:12:22 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


     I marched for Kiski Area and I would like to say that BOA is great!  I
really love the fact they stand for excellence in LIFE as well as band!  One
more note of thanks is deserved of Mr. Scott Koter, my director.  He showed
me the meeting of dedication toward band and most important LIFE. I owe him a
lot.
     I love hearing from other bands-- Send me mail of anything of you have
marched in the past 3 years or even if you are older. I die every day until
class is over just so I can check the news to see what is happening in alt
drumcorps. Keep the posts coming and I would like to see the results from the
other regional competitions if some one has a chance! Thanks


                                                        -K-Jamz
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"Those who know, know!                                      Ken Wilcox
 Those who don't, will never know!"                       kpw104@psuvm
                                                  kpw104@psuvm.psu.edu
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From: robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor)
Subject: Re: BANDS: (Re: BOA)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:18:21 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Michael Fath (fath1@husc10.harvard.edu) wrote:
: In article <92285.235853KPW104@psuvm.psu.edu> KPW104@psuvm.psu.edu (K-JAMZ) writes:
: >Anybody out there follow MBA or BOA competitions. Being an ex-MBA marcher and
: >national participant I have a huge interest in it and would love to chat
: >about anything! Especially the years that I was in the shows( The last three)
: >And anything else to do with the High School aspect!
: >
: >
: >                                                    -K-Jamz
: 
: Yes,
: I follow BOA although not too closely lately.  My hs band (Wadsworth Ohio)
: went to Grand Nationals two or three times but the last few years hasn't
: made the cut.  But my wife's HS band is:
: 
: drumroll please....
: 
: Marian Catholic HS, IL
: 
: Who is probably the winninest band in BOA history.  In fact, Marian did
: Barbar's School for Scandal LAST YEAR and Star is doing for 1993.  Who says that
: drumcorps are more innovative than marching bands?  :-)
: 
: BTW, until we get rec.arts.marching.misc up and running for discussion of
: marching bands, I think it is perfectly alright to discuss them here.  What
: I suggest is to add the word BAND to the Subject line so that folks who
: don't want to read band discussion can skip over these.
: 
: K-Jamz,  which band did you march in?  Any other BOA folks out there?

I never marched corps, but marched at Metamora, IL (typically about
5-10 points behind Marian Catholic when I was there - we even did
a couple of things together).  We didn't do MBA/BOA while I was there
(early 80's), but Metamora's been running in the lower part of the
top 25 the last couple of years - not quite the budget, etc. of 
Marian Catholic, but they try.

Bob Taylor
HP Vancouver

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From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Who's not going to go to Jackson?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 17:28:41 GMT

In article <8keHsB6w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
>That's your personal prerogative.  However, your decision on what is
>unbearable heat is also rather subjective.  There will be many who will find
>agreement with you, and many more who will say "this is just slightly warm."
>That is unavoidable.  You will never be able to please 100% of the population
>in this matter.

Actually, it's fairly objective: there's a sticky, sweaty feeling in the air.
You're sweating, but not getting a whole lot cooler. Your clothes are
drenched. Even touching the person next to you becomes unbearably unplesant.
You're smelly. Everyone around you is smelly.  You're glad you can't smell the
performers on the field....

Contrast this with the ideal Drum Corps night: the sky is clear; humidity is
low. There's a slight breeze in the stadium.  As the night wears on, the
tempearature becomes slightly cool, almost chilly. Indeed, the very acoustics
of the stadium subtly shift as the night progresses. The stage becomes set for
the fulfillment of dreams, the weaving of magic, and the creation of pure joy.
Reality takes a holiday as the World's most exciting activity records another
unforgettable evening....

>Just because I call into question the reasoning behind some comments I've
>read here, and just because I enter into these discussions because I do
>enjoy discussion (or argument, or debate, or whatever the hell you want to
>call it) does not mean that I am out of place.  Indeed, that is EXACTLY
>what this forum is intended for.  

Of course discussion is requested and you're welcome in it.  That's not the
issue, Willard. It's a question of style.

>dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)

--phil
From: cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: commentary
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:41:33 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

In article <1bflalINNd6o@lester.appstate.edu>, C_S01798@APPSTATE.EDU (*Patrick Todd Sloan) writes:
> 
> 
> Commentary:
> 
> 	Todd Ryan was hired by Spirit in 1991 to write the drill for thier
> production based on the film _Glory_.  When Ryan left the corps staff to teach
> the M&M the decision was made to completely teach Guide and Cover.  When the
> staff found the technique didnt completely work, they reverted to total spot
> marching.  

Let me get this straight:

Todd Ryan, Star of Indiana's drill writer, wrote Spirit's drill and they threw
it out?  How could they do that?  Please explain.
From: MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Who's not going to go to Jackson?
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:21:44 GMT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <1992Oct5.144136.16756@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, tmv@blitzen.uucp
(26129-vandewater) says:
>
>I went to Madison this year and I think I'll go to Jackson...it all depends
>on airfares.  Do we fly into Jackson?  is it a hub for any airline?  is
>it incredibly expensive to fly there?
>
>Tom
 
I think it is the hub for the Jackson Airline and Storm Door Co.
 
Seroiusly, the choice of Jackson is proof enough that DCI has their
collective heads up their a****.  How easy is it to get in and around
Jackson?  I have a friend who travels a lot, and has driven throught the
South extensively on business (and he's also a drum corps fan), and he says
the airport is puny.  He also said that there is nothing of note in regards
to tourist attractions in the city.  The closest tourist attraction with any
kind of mass appeal is New Orleans, and it's too far away to be of any
practicality.   Can Jackson handle the influx of fans seeking hotel rooms
and rental cars?  Will there be enough scheduled flights to handle the
influx of fans entering and leaving the city?
 
Mike Hughes
From: st923012@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Eastern Mass corps
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:27:29 GMT
Reply-To: st923012@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

does anyone know if it is true that EMASS has folded?  If it is,
do you what that will mean?  please answer on group or
st923012@pip.cc.brandeis.edu 
        Thanks, JENN
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: hch@fssun09.dev.oclc.org (Curtis Hunter)
Subject: young7905@iscsvax.uni.edu
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:50:44 GMT


   Just thought maybe we could nip this in the bud.  There is a message from
young7905@iscsvax.uni.edu that is just flame bait.  I've seen him post on 
several other groups and he seems to just want attention.  If we all ignore
him and don't post followups or email, hopefully he will go away.

  Just a suggestion.

               Curtis
From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Flaming at DCI
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:41:18 EDT
Organization: Heavy Objects R Us
Reply-To: niel@chinchilla.cars.com
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In article <16406745@um.cc.umich.edu> (alt.drumcorps), R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu writes:
>Is there anyway to get our views into Prodigy without having to support
>IBM and Sears in their commercial venture that discourages rocking the
>boat?

As I understand it, Prodigy has buckled under to pressure and will
start working on an Internet gateway RSN.

Niel

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From: sradeker@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Radeker)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Jackson; Dome; and the West
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 02:51:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.101522.7371@iscsvax.uni.edu> phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>I march with the UNI band here and most of the time we battle time problems
>from the horrible echo in there. 

Excuse me, but why does the University of Nothern Iowa have a domed
stadium?  I mean, I can only think of one school that uses a
domed stadium (Minnesota) and that's not even theirs.

Scott

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From: hockley@enel.ucalgary.ca (Dallas Hockley)
Subject: Future Corps....  Info
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 06:30:42 GMT
Organization: ECE Department, U. of Calgary, Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Greetings and salutations all.  I'm a little bit new on this group, and
have unfortunately never been in a drum corps, but was in marching band
at world-competitive level for five years.  I'm also a Santa Clara fan
through and through.

Main question:  We have started an alumni marching band up and wish to
loosely model it upon the Future Corps concept.  It there anywhere or 
anyone from which/whom I can get information on the custom equipment,
and perhaps some transcriptions/arrangements for pieces and cadences?
I'm the lead percussionist (multi-tenor) and am curious as to arrangement
methodology for instrument voicing.  We want to convert some full arrangements
into the smaller scale, but retain a full sound.

Any help is greatly appreciated.  

Thanks!

Dallas
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hockley@eneli.ucalgary.ca
Calgary Stampede Show Band alumnus  5yrs.  Percussion

"Take it all Santa Clara!"
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: 1993 Season
From: fath1@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: 10 Oct 92 14:27:24 EDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Oct10.053212.6007@news.acns.nwu.edu> randy@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Randy Feldman) writes:
>
>I'm wondering if anybody knows where (and when) any of the following shows are
>going to be held (or is it just too darn early and DCI doesn't even know yet):
>

Your hunch is right.  No one knows this for sure yet.  But we can guess that


>	DCI North
will be in Buffalo around the last week of July

>	Preview of Champions
my guess is that it will be in Madison

>	DCI Mid-America
Bloomington, IN  where else!!

>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>--
>randy					randy@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

I'm sure someone will post it when it is known for sure.   But that won't
be until next March or so.


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From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: I'm back!
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:51:49 EDT
Organization: Heavy Objects R Us
Reply-To: niel@chinchilla.cars.com
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Hello there everybody, and don't be confused by the title of this
article because I've actually never been to this newsgroup before.
What I meant is that I'm back on Usenet through the good graces of
cars.com and I finally found a site that gets alt.drumcorps.

For those of you who don't remeber me, here's a short resume:

Marched with Spirit of Atlanta '82 and '84
Marched with Georgia Tech Yellow Jacket Band '84-'88, drum major '85-'86.
Started the Marching Arts Mailing List a few years back, which apparently
 morphed into OTL which then apparently disappeared (?!?)

I decided to lurk for about half an hour while I read the threads
that are out there, and then reveal myself.  So here I am!

Niel

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From: MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Who's not going to go to Jackson?
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:44:32 GMT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

>
>They want to spread the champ cities around to open the market, but they put
>two sites in the south, where there are a whopping 5 DCI member corps.  One in
>the midwest where ther are almost no top 25 corps, ...
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
WHAT?!  Have you ever heard of Cavaliers?  Star of Indiana?  Madison Scouts?
Phantom Regiment?  Bluecoats?  Glassmen?  Colts?  Northern Aurora?  That's
roughly ONE THIRD of the DCI member corps!!
 
>
>It just makes no sense to me.  Having the rotating is a good idea, but it has
>been poorly implemented.  Like instant replay in football.  Put a site out
>west, one on the East coast, one in the South, one in the midwest (like KC),
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
FYI, KC is not considered to be in the Midwest...it's in the central plains.
Of course, that doesn't change the fact that KC was far and away the finest
venue that DCI ever visited.
 
I'll put in my $0.02 worth and give what I'd consider to be a set of cities
that would provide
 
  a. excellent venues of the Championships from the fans point of view.
  b. other interesting tourist attractions for drum coprs fans to visit.
  c. a fair rotation that would cover the entire country.
 
Here they are:
 
  1. Denver, CO      (a good western site, yet probably still close enough
                      to allow eastern/midwestern/southern corps a chance
                      to go to the west caost)
  2. Kansas City, MO (the perfect stadium for drum corps, and centrally
                      located)
  3. Tampa, FL       (Tampa stadium would be a great venue, and this would
                      probably be the best Southern venue.  I have a friend
                      who lives there that says it rains for about 10-15
                      minutes (on the days it rains), but rarely more.)
  4. Buffalo, NY     (Rich was a good stadium, not as good as KC, but better
                      than most.  Best eastern/northern venue, Niagara nearby)
  5. Madison, WI     (Even though the seats suck, I think it's probably the
                      ideal midwestern location in the heart of drum corps
                      land.  I think it's a good idea for DCI to *come back
                      home* every few years, a sort of pilgrimmage for diehard
                      corps fans.)
 
 
An alternative to Denver might be Phoenix, AZ at Sun Devil Stadium.
An alternative to Buffalo might be Giants Studium at the Meadowlands, NYC.
An alternative to Madison might be Chicago, IL at Soldier Field.
 
-Mike Hughes
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: jgriffin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jennifer B Griffin)
Subject: Re: Goodbye Ted Swaldo
Summary: Correction
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:06:17 GMT



     Well, the info. about Ted Swaldo stepping down as manager of
the Bluecoats is only partially correct.  Sorry Barry, but you're not
quite the expert on the Bluecoats that you think.  Ted has decided
that it is time for him to stop being full time manager, but he
will still be involved.  They are have a tri-manager deal.  Ted
will still be in charge of the financial part, Bill Hamilton will
be the "on tour" manager and there is one person involved whose
name I don't know that will take care of everything else.
     This was the last I heard and I'm in contact with several
people who frequently have contact with Ted.  I would also like to
comment on the Bluecoats season.  I agree that this was not a
favorite show of mine by any means, but I know that the corps
had several problems at the beginning of the season the big one
being that they had to fire the drill writer.  So the Beatles were
not the best choice, but a lot of corps try things that don't work.
The Bluecoats will be going back to the big band jazz next year
and I've found that after talking to several members that
marched this year that they had a good time despite problems with
the crowd appeal of the show.  I think that is the important part
of drum corps--working together and having a good time.
     That's enough from me for now....

                                   Jen  (Bluecoats '88-'91)
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From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Who's not going to go to Jackson?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:48:08 GMT

In article <1baesbINNnqq@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:
>I really haven't followed this thread to closely, flames give me a rash if
>exposed to them for too long :), but are you indirectly penalizing a
>geographic region of the country from experiencing Worlds because of its
>climate?

Yes. It's probably a safe be that DCI will never, ever return to Miami.

Other cities should be eliminated, too. Incredibly, DCI was going to 
return to La Stade Olympique in Montreal for 1988. Sound quality was bad
enough before the dome was completed on this stadium. Fortunately, MLB
nixed that option by scheduling baseball games for the Expos that week;
we had to "endure" KC for a second year.

>If a large number of 'DCI regulars' skip this year, then of course
>there won't be another Worlds there.  I agree that the weather isn't as
>comfortable as the air conditioning when I watch the broadcast, but it's
>Summer.  The night of Finals last year was a very comfortable temperature
>in Georgia, so you really can't automatically assume that the weather will
>be unbelievably hot.

Yeah, Georgia was fine. I actually rode a bike to/from a friend's house
about 12 miles away for a couple of days of championship week. Temperature
by itself isn't too bad; temperature plus humidity is the killer. I may
vote to avoid 90/90 cities....

--phil
From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Prodigy news
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:01:07 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:
>>
>>1)  Don Pesceone has just acquired an account, and is contributing
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^


>Who is Don Pesceone?  Maybe I could a good shot in :). 

He is the head of DCI, (Executive Director).
From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Who's not going to go to Jackson?
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:26:37 GMT
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

eputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:

> 
> > 
> > Maybe I'll just not go, and say that it's because of all those.  Do you
> > think I'd be missed?  Hardly.
> > 
> 
> I think that I can safely speak for all of the fans...  No, you won't be 
> missed.

I think that you assume too much.  You cannot speak for all the fans.
The WHOLE point was that one person is not going to make a significant
impact in boycotting DCI nats.  Perhaps you'd care to organize something
more substantial... otherwise, it's all just sour grapes.

-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
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