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From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: Jay Miner
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:19:48 GMT

rsc@flower.hao.ucar.edu (Bob Campbell) writes:

>I also ran into Jim Sachs at the WOC in Pasadena.  He was showing off the new
>version of Defender of the Crown for CDTV.

What happened to 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea?  I'm still looking for that
mysterious "virus" that Jim claimed erased his disks.
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From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Jay Miner gets first A4000
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 17:37:05 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

(Since I just got home from the WOC/A show in Pasadena, CA (wonderful
show.. lots of new products, more from me on this later)).. I haven't
read "the news" yet today so I don't know if anyone else has posted
this. Here goes...

During a Keynote speech at the show by David Achambault, Director
of Business Marketing, Commodore U.S.A., one great old guy, namely
Jay "Father of the Amiga" Miner was presented with the first consumer
Amiga 4000 in the world, according to Archambault. (Actually Jay told
me latter that CBM will ship him the machine "within a week".. the 
one he was handed during the presentation was for show only).

This is a fitting and proper tribute to Jay and the work he did to
bring the Amiga forth into the world. 

Jay was wheelchair-bound due to a recent health problem and was being
pushed around the show by a tireless member of a user group who 
volunteered the task. 

Harv
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jsaffold@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Saffold)
Subject: Help with C= 3 button mouse
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 01:05:35 GMT


Hopefully someone out here can help me.  I have a C= 3 button "pregnant"
mouse, and need help on how to disasemble it to clean it out, as its
acting eratic.  Since there are no screws, and it doesn't seem to pop off,
I'm wondering how I would accomplish this.
From: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Buy an A3000, get a free CDTV
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:33:57 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED


	Just in case anyone has not seen the discussion in
comp.sys.amiga.marketplace....

	Somebody in c.s.a.marketplace noticed that an Amiga mailorder house
is giving away a free CDTV to anyone who buys an A3000 during the month of
September 1992.  Someone else investigated, and discovered that this is
actually a Commodore-sponsored deal, and that some other dealers in the USA
are doing it too.

	Just thought you'd like to know, since I haven't seen this announced
anywhere else.  (Hey CBM -- how about comp.sys.amiga.announce!)

                                                        Dan

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From: gb03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GEORGE PHILIP BLUHM)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Black Apples
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:20:21 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <3694@faatcrl.UUCP>, jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer) writes:
>
>>> Weren't the Bell & Howell Apples black?  I don't remember for sure...
>
>>Yes, they were. I was part owner of an outlet that sold them in the
>>early '70s.
>
>  Interesting time-warp there, Mike.  The Apple II wasn't created until
>1977... ;-)
>
>  -jack-
>
The mind is the second thing to go!!!!!!!!!

Phyl Thee McNasty
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: laire@uni-paderborn.de (Ralph Schmidt)
Subject: Re: worthless Amiga's(?) (Was Re: amiga 500 discontinue)
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:03:17 GMT

kxs5829@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.X. Saunders ) writes:

>In article <1992Sep12.4247.19570@dosgate> "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com> writes:
>>
>> Now that the Amiga 4000 has been released with a Suggested Retail price of
>>$3699, we should be seeing a dramatic drop in the price of an Amiga 3000. 
>>The A3000 could very will sell for under $2000 by christmas. Not a $1200
>>machine but very competitive power machine at an affordable price!

>	After hearing how cool the AGA chipset is, and that it won't be in any old models, I am pissed.  I spent $3600 for A3000T/030 and 1950 only a month
>ago (educational).  Now I find an A4000 will be about the same price, and my
>(formerly) top-of-the-line Amiga is probably worth about $2000.

>	Well, if I have to pay more than $1500 to power up to the equivalent
>A4000T, all I can do is "Send in the clones...".  I sure as hell am fed up.

I have really problems to understand this attitude....

  o There were enough rumours floating around....it's your fault

  o If you want a new faster PC you must also get a new one

  o In Europe there was never a PowerUp yet

  o I think it's annoying how such wheenies flame Commo now
    for the first *real* new machine(only gfx) who flamed Commo
    for years that they haven't done anything new.
    If you would be fair you can say that you like to see a
    new Amiga but you've expected better gfx and sound.

  o If you want to have an evolution(Not the SCSI-Controller:-B)
    you must accept radical changes.



Regards...though i think this was said many times but not enough
          i think.

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Ralph Schmidt                                            laire@uni-paderborn.de
University of Paderborn (Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: phsjs@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Stephen J.Smith)
Subject: Re: Next generation chips in A4000?
Keywords: new chipsets, WOC
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 12:04:35 GMT

In <1992Sep15.071650.12652@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:

>In article <1992Sep14.201543.16050@cco.caltech.edu> andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew) writes:
>>>I would also like to know if the 4000 will be upgradable to that 'high-end
>>>chip set' or if it will be part of a brand new machine?
>>
>>	Louis Eggebrecht (the person who made the presentation) seemed
>>to imply that the A4000 is modular to the extent that you will
>>be able to upgrade your chipset.  Perhaps a Commodore engineer
>>could comment on the modularity of the A4000 (please)?

>You probably won't get any reply from C= if you can't; they won't
>want to hurt possible sales.  Looking at the provisional specs. for
>the next "high-end" chipset, IMHO there is next to no chance
>you could put it in the A4000.   

>Reasons:

>- The use of VRAMs
>- The asynch nature of the system
>- The fact that it is 4 chips.  It is a mean feat to put 4 chips
>into 3 sockets.  Also some people have said the new chips are
>surface mounted, which if true, removes the possibility of any
>plug-in replacements.

Yes, I agree.

>Maybe if the AA chipset is on a daughter board like the processor
>it might be possible, but I highly doubt it is.

>The fact that another incompatible high-end machine may appear
>later should not stop people buying an A4000.  You either want
>it, or you don't.  Almost any computer you can buy today won't be
>on the cutting-edge of technology in a year or so.

An interesting point is that the "future specs" from Eggebrecht said the
new low-end chipset would have 100K transistors. There was no ~100K
figure here. The new high-end was 750K to 1M, which IMHO gives the
impression that the new low-end may already exist in prototype form, but
the high-end is some time away.


>>Andre Yew                             andrey@tybalt.caltech.edu (131.215.48.100)

>-- 
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>  "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths 
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From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Help! My amiga can't walk! (Lost its feet)
Date: 5 Sep 92 16:09:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Sep5.090925.1613
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)


 > Well, one of MY feet on my 3000 got lost, the other 3 got glued back on
 > with  tacky glue..  The 3rd foot on my 3000 is an eraser..:-)

Ok, so now we have the "rest of the story"... CBM is planning to make lots
of money selling replacement feet and/or screws for the current model feet
as an upgrade kit.  ;-)



        -=- Ed



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: amiga 500 discontinue
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:12:36 EST


SS>Now if Commodore can just come out with a mid-priced model, say maybe a
SS>16 Mhz 68030, or 68020 even priced around $1200 with a monitor and harddrive.
SS>Oh well, we is dreaming...

SS>Steve Sheldon         sheldon@iastate.edu

 Now that the Amiga 4000 has been released with a Suggested Retail price of
$3699, we should be seeing a dramatic drop in the price of an Amiga 3000. 
The A3000 could very will sell for under $2000 by christmas. Not a $1200
machine but very competitive power machine at an affordable price!

          robert.buonincontro&canrem.com
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From: wlanders@nexus.yorku.ca (W L Anderson)
Subject: Aquarium beyond 690?
Summary: Where can I get updates
Organization: York University, CS Dept. Toronto
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:58:21 GMT

I'm looking for the updates to the Aquarium Database beyond Fred Fish disk 690.
Do these exist yet and are they available for anon. ftp?

Tom Hayko
wlanders@nexus.yorku.ca
From: plenler@antje.UUCP (Peter Lenler-Eriksen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: BBC emulator help needed
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:59:34 GMT

>In article <starman.039s@crash.amigans.gen.nz> starman@crash.amigans.gen.nz (Robin Halligan) writes:
>A mate of mine has a bbc emulator came with (THE CLASS OF THE 90's) pack
>from commodore but in keeping with the strict and stringent controlls
>there is no doc's for it
>a call to commodore (NZ) got the reply Buggered if i know
>so if anyone out there has used the said emulator
>
>1. what cable do you need to transfer files from bbc to amiga

    As far as I remember (at least two years ago I touched that
    nice little thing), it is a serial cable, connecting the RS423 (BBC)
    to the RS232 AMIGA)
>
>2. how do you do it

    Take care and don't blame me, my memory isn't, what it was anymore, but
    I seem to remember commands like : 

    CONNECT 
    
    IMPORT <remote source drive> <emulator destination drive>
       (kind of "diskcopy" I think)

     ICOPY <source> <destination> <files> 


>
>any help would be appreacted
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From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: World of Commodore summary, 9/12, part 2 (LONG)
Date: 13 Sep 92 11:22:04 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

This information sounded so unbelievable that I find it almost hard to
believe. That is why I'd love to see someone to confirm this
information on the future plans of Commodore before I spread it to the
local BBS'es.

--
Jarkko Lindblad
lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: SysInfo MHZ weirdness
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:39:35 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

ewilts@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts) writes:

>I'm noticing an oddity in SysInfo 2.73.  It is reporting a MHz rating of 12.96
>on my 16 MHz A3000.  Checking v2.69 reports a MHZ rating of 15.78 which is at
>least closer to 16.00. v2.73 also reports stuff like "Chipram vs A3000" = 0.51. 
>Strange since this IS an A3000...

>Anybody else out there seeing this weirdness?

>-- 

>Ed Wilts, BC Systems Corp., 4000 Seymour Place, Victoria, B.C., Canada, V8X 4S8
>EWilts@Galaxy.Gov.BC.CA   |   Ed.Wilts@BCSystems.Gov.BC.CA   |   (604) 389-3430

I think someone else has already pointed out that bug...

BTW, if you may want to switch your Amiga to pal mode and test it again... 
<grin>

My Amiga suddenly gained an extra 5Mhz just by switching to PAL mode. ;)

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: tron@uni-paderborn.de (Matthias Scheler)
Subject: Re: LateSCSIMount
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 09:18:40 GMT

terry@helios.ucsc.edu (Terry Ricketts) writes:


>   I have a Seagate hard drive that is VERY slow about coming up. I have
>heard of a program called LateSCSIMount which will mount drives that don't
>become available until after the Amiga has booted. It is available on some
>BBS's and on Portal. I don't have access to any of these places and was
>hoping some kind person on the net would upload this program to Wuarch
>so I could FTP it. If anyone has a copy of this program (which is supposed
>to have been written by Sean Riddle) could you share it with the rest of us.
>Thanks.
>						Terry


There's a MUCH better program called "SCSIMounter".
You'll find V2.02 on ftp.uni-paderborn.de [131.234.2.32] in
"/amiga/system/scsi/scsimnt.lha".
-- 
Matthias Scheler                                         tron@uni-paderborn.de
University of Paderborn (Germany)
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.misc:13946 comp.sys.amiga.hardware:15343
From: alb@ais.org (Alan Brushaber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Wanted: Epson MX-80F/T and/or MPS printer drivers
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:43:55 GMT
Organization: UMCC


Greetings,

  Does anyone have a driver for the Epson MX-80F/T Dot Matrix printer?
I'm told that the MPS might work with this printer, unfortunately I
don't have it on my WB disk.

  Thanks for any tips/sources.

Al - alb@ais.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Have you ever noticed...
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:28:10 GMT

RPG104@URIACC.BITNET (Don Mac Phee) writes:

>   What surprises me most however is that Marc Barrett let the
> world know he has a friend. One can only wonder at strangeness

Well, given his accuracy on other subjects...   :-)

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Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.misc:13734 comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:23684
From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 20:07:51 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep8.003808.6875@news.iastate.edu> <35014@cbmvax.commodore.com>
  <1992Sep11.000220.4900@news.iastate.edu>

>>In article <35014@cbmvax.commodore.com> mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sin
z)
>> writes:
>barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>
>   You and the others at Commodore engineering are good hard-working people,
>but you just have bad management direction.  The replacing of SCSI with IDE
>in the new systems is probably the most infamous example of this.  Luckily

What?!?!  IDE?!?!? No, please say it aint so!  No, no, not again Commodore.
If so, I give up on the screwball idiots that run this "company."  

>the guy who made this decision is no longer working for Commodore, but the
>damage has been done.  You yourself used to say in your .sig: "Programming
>is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for life."  This applies
>to hardware developing, too.
>

If they've gone IDE, they HAVE screwed up, royal.

>>/----------------------------------------------------------------------\
>>|      /// Michael Sinz  -  Senior Amiga Systems Engineer              |
>>|     ///                   Operating System Development Group         |
>>|    ///   BIX:  msinz      UUNET:  mks@cbmvax.commodore.com           |
>>|\\\///    "A master's secrets are only as good as the                 |
>>| \XX/      master's ability to explain them to others" - Michael Sinz |
>>\----------------------------------------------------------------------/
>
>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------
>

-Joel
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From: r4s@icf.hrb.com (Robert M. Sanders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Getting WB1.2 from a 2000 to a 3000
Date: 13 Sep 92 02:36:45 GMT
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.


Hey world,
  Got a quick question for y'all.  I read in the amiga games compatability
list from comp.sys.amiga.games that I could run bardstale I on my 3000 IF
I could boot up under 1.2 first.  I can't find a kickstart 1.2 disk anywhere
in my collection, and I don't know of a dealer withing a reasonable distance
to State College.  I still have my 2000, and was wondering if there is a way
to down load the kickstart roms to a disk file that setcpu could then 
load into the 3000 and boot off of it.  Any ideas?  Thanks......



						Rob




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From: Tony-Preston@cup.portal.com (ANTHONY FRANCIS PRESTON)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Request sources for an old Amiga game port
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 08:43:23 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

This game first appeared on Fish disk 10.  Later it appeared with
source on fish disk 24.  The description said a "port of unknown
origin" by Rob Shimbo.  I asked a similar question a few years
ago and never got an answer.  I started to work on the source
to fix a few bugs and improve the computer player but never had
time for the effort....  The computer is too easy to beat and the
initial situation is too predictable.  There is also a "magic"
number that if you enter it will give you virtually unlimited
production points to spend...
From: nverenin@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Spumoni the Fat Wok   )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Term 2.3 BUGS
Date: 5 Sep 92 09:12:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


	If anyone out there is using Term2.3, I am wondering if you
have had problems with it. My setup is 2000 (stock) 2.04, hd. There
are two nasty bugs in it. One is the clipboard device. You cannot
right click on the screen to cut or paste text or the program
crashes spectacularly. Another is the VT100 emulation. All of the
local BBS work fine, but when I call my server here to get to
Internet I get lots of garbage. For example, when I type "clear
screen" at the % prompt it doesn't clear it; I just get a burst of
control characters. Does anyone know if I'm missing a parameter
here, because the thing with the garbage makes going into elm or vi
a total mess. I can't use them because the screen won't clear; it
shows these command codes everywhere and I can't get rid of them--it
effectively makes Term useless for posting/reading/ftping on the
net. Term 2.2b worked real cool, much better than this NComm2.0 I'm
using. When in 'vi' in ncomm hitting "dd" (delete entire line) while
in command mode makes the terminal go nuts, but I gotta live with
that for now, until Mr. Barthel fixes Term 2.3 (good looking program
though). I'll even send him money.

Thankee

--nverenin@sdcc13.ucsd.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: aa chipset and new am
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:12:35 EST


CE>As hinted, the highest AA res is 1280*512 (8 bpls), being SuperHires
CE>interlaced. Needs X4 bandwidth though (top models only?)...

CE>                                               - JIM CAD*

 The resolutions in the AGA chipset announced at the World Of Commodore show
in Passadina are 640x480, 800x600 and 1280x512. All these modes can display
256,000 colours at once! There are also reports that you can open a screen of
1280x800. This is more of a sham hack, so you could probably only display 
pictures. But I can live with that as long as it comes with a true 800x600
screen! What I was suprised to see was the fact that you could display 
256,000 colours in all resolutions!

          robert.buonincontro&canrem.com
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