HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: singh@julius.cs.uiuc.edu (Rajendra Singh)
Subject: Arrogance in r.m.bluenote (was Re: r.m.bluenote --> ...)
Organization: University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:05:19 GMT

This discussion seems to bring out a lot of arrogance.  People are
saying don't split the group because the heathens in the other group
(usually blues) should be educated.  Or jazz and blues are the same
and if you disagree you haven't studied enough.  Or the volume of
flames for posting in the wrong group would be high.  It just seems
silly.  It may well be that there aren't enough votes to create a
r.m.blues, but why vote against it?  Heck, call it r.m.idiots if you
think we're on the road to hell, just let us walk :-)  I think this
is a great newsgroup, but splitting it isn't going to make it worse
and in some ways will make it better.

>>>>> On 27 Sep 92 23:48:57 GMT, rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) said:
rsk> Secondly, you would have had no problem finding the newsgroup if you
rsk> had read the postings in news.announce.newusers, which ALL new Usenet
rsk> users should read, and all users should be familiar with.

This is an example of the arrogance I find here and in this "discussion"
in particular that bugs me.  People generally pop up there newsreader,
read news, and maybe if they get an inkling to look they try out new
newsgroups.  Or maybe they see a newsgroup name in passing they like.
And maybe many look in n.a.n (as I happened to do for r.m.bluenote,
though it was an exception for me).  Having a confusing name cannot be
justified by saying "look in the right place idiot".  I like the
name as is, but I do think it's confusing and that that's a legitimate
complaint.

rsk> First of all, your "understanding" is wrong; the Bluenote record label,
rsk> which releases recordings by jazz and blues artists, *is* the source of
rsk> the name.
[I know I'm putting first last...]

I believe you're mistaken.  There was a discussion a while back (maybe
the last time the split issue came up) in which the name was explained
as (I think) coming from blue note, common to both blues and jazz.
The jazz label was not the inspiration.  Perhaps my memory is faulty,
or maybe the original posting was incorrect, but I think if it's just
from the label then it's a pretty boring name.  Not that it's at all
relevent, but what is it?

peace,
 -raj
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From: rwelarat@jarthur.claremont.edu (RU1 Welaratna)
Subject: Re: RFD rec.autos.antique
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:01:00 GMT


I'd vote for this group.  The rec.autos hierarchy seems to concentrate on
new cars.  Restoring an old car has a whole host of specific questions that
deserve an independant newsgroup.

RU1 Welaratna
rwelarat@jarthur.claremont.edu
From: rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.org.aix-users
Date: 1 Oct 1992 14:09:56 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu

Has anyone else had a problem with voting no on this proposed news group?
When the initial CFV came out, I tried to vote no and got a "user unknown"
error to the aix_no@pencom.com address. I tried again with the 2nd CFV and
got the same error. This address was taken directly from the CFV. This needs
to be explained since the guidelines require a good address for the vote to
be valid.

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From: root@bssi.nl
Subject: Were to obtain new 'newsgroups' file
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:15:52 GMT
Organization: Baan Service b.v.
Keywords: newsgroups


		Can anyone please mail me a new $NEWSLIB/newsgroups file ?

		My address is:	wimb@hp8.bssi.nl


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From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: Re: rec or alt.joke  - does one exist?
Reply-To: J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov>
Organization: AS&M Inc
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:07:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.144237.29792@vicstoy.UUCP> aphelps@vicstoy.UUCP (Austin Phelps) writes:
   In article <1992Oct01.140249.28567@bmerh85.bnr.ca> rivan@bnr.ca writes:
   > I was looking around on my server for a newsgroup

   It called rec.humor.{d, funny, oricle, oricle.d}
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From: andyrose@netcom.com (San Francisco Fractal Factory)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: soc.religion.quaker
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 01:26:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


I think this moderated/unmoderated issue is v. important
and I wish the usenet community would support an
unmoderated group called soc.religion.quaker

I have been guided to call the group talk.religion.quaker
in order to have the group unmoderated, and I
find myself wondering how strongly I feel about
the name of this group (again).  We've already
come from soc.religion.Friends to soc.religion.friend
to soc.religion.quaker and now talk.religion.quaker...

I have been told that usenet will not support Upper CASE
in a name (a restriction I don't understand) and
that soc.religion groups ARE MODERATED and talk.religion
groups ARE NOT MODERATED.  This I feel is arbitrary
and somewhat restrictive and I REALLY don't understand
who made that call and why and why it is now so
inflexible.

So, again I stand aside.  If you approve 
soc.religion.quaker as unmoderated I would be pleased.

If you approve talk.religion.quaker as a no-big-deal
name change that would be fine too.

I think the previous post speaks my mind.  Often
Friends are under onus to listen to 'ranters'
and find the spirit behind the message.  This
is a part of being a Friend.

So straw poll:
let me know if you like soc.religion.quaker -UNMODERATED
or soc.religion.quaker MODERATED
or talk.religion.quaker UNMODERATED.

Thanks for you interest and your help in making this
a reality.

-- 
Andrew Rose andyrose@netcom.com FAX 4155537756 When peace rules the planet 
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From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Subject: Re: TT newsgroup
Organization: CompuData Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:55:36 GMT

LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu writes:

>In <43459@ogicse.ogi.edu> natarsu@mse.ogi.edu writes:

>>
>> 	Yup! Here's another YES for the TT newsgroup.

>Would you TT fans mind letting the rest of us know whatt TT stands for?

I just assumed Tiny Tafel.
fred
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Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.fishing,rec.outdoors.fishing
From: robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton)
Subject: Re: rec.fishing
Followup-To: rec.outdoors.fishing 
Keywords: fishy? 
Organization: Organization
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:58:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.233340.23599@netcom.com> cli@netcom.com (Concurrent Logic Inc) writes:
>In article <BvLGs0.4Cn@agora.rain.com> robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton) writes:
>>In article <BvI2nB.xu@animal.er.bell.ca> rpark@stam.bell.ca writes:
>>>|> 
>>>It got RECked.
>>
>>  What does that mean?
>
>It is actually rec.outdoors.fishing and is going strong.


I guess maybe he didn't know how to spell "wrecked".

Did dixon@Colorado have anything to do with the formation of this newsgroup?

Xref: sparky news.groups:18453 rec.music.bluenote:7458
From: burdick@frostbite.crd.ge.com (William E. Burdick KWC-1623 5585)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:49:58 GMT
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY


I agree with those who state their preference for NOT splitting r.m.b. into
r.m.jazz and r.m.blues.  Simply stated, I beleive most people currently
reading r.m.b. would subscribe to BOTH r.m.jazz and r.m.blues in order
not to miss out on either/both categories.  After all, its often tough
to classify some music as either jazz or blues because jazz and blues
share many of the same qualities, artists, etc.

"If it ain't broke don't fix it"

Bill
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From: aberigan@nde.unl.edu (A. Berigan)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.comics.tv
Organization: Ord High School, Ord, NE
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:42:09 GMT

jeff@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jeff Williamson) writes:

>This is a (well, not exactly formal) Call for Discussion of the formation
>of a new newsgroup to handle discussion of the intersection of comic books
>and television. Such a group would fit into the current r.a.c hierarchy,
>and has precedent (ref. rec.arts.sf.tv) in a similar hierarchy.

I was going to object to the name, until you mentioned r.a.sf.tv.
However, I won't go as far as suggest rec.arts.tv should be renamed
rec.arts.misc.tv. :-)

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From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RESULT: sci.virtual-worlds.apps passes 133:8
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:33:11 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1a8cqiINNnq9@nigel.msen.com> emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes:
>this is bullshit.  the vote passed, we are going to carry the group,
>there's no sense in calling the question *again* and *again* on some minor
>technicality.

The revote appears to be desired to get some few anal-retentives (Hi, John
Stanley!) to accept the group as legitimate.

>besides, the all-hallowed guidelines say you have to wait 6 mo before a
>revote.

Only on *failed* groups. This one was *invalidated*.

I didn't vote on the original CFV, but I voted YES on the revote: the group
deserves to pass.
-- 
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jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
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  tax-and-spend Democrat Congress! (obviously, not an opinion of UTHSCH)
From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD Alternative Medicine
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:45:38 GMT
Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California

In <1992Oct6.152106.7961@rhrk.uni-kl.de>, kring@efes.physik.uni-kl.de
(Thomas Kettenring) writes:

>You really believe there are humans who are able of impartial judgment?
>Humans without prejudices?

No, everybody's prejudiced one way or another, and to varying degrees.
Discussions, especially those about controversial matters, just go a lot
more smoothly when the participants try to keep the effects of prejudice
to a minimum.  (And I've got to agree with Rick Adams -- some of the
first responses to the original RFD accomplished this rather poorly.)

>My approach is "I am biased, I have an opinion, and I know it.  So I can take
>into consideration the fact that my bias influences the results of my thinking,
>and correct for it."

Fair enough.

>>Prejudice, though, I'd rather do without.
>
>Then just ask the people you regard as prejudiced for justification of their
>opinion, or ignore them.  Perhaps they turn out to have reasons?

Again, fair enough.

>There's no need to moderate a newsgroup because of this.

I didn't propose moderating the newsgroup, and it's likely I wouldn't
participate if it were moderated.

My proposal, again: misc.health.alternative, unmoderated.

-- 
Peter Kaminski
kaminski@netcom.com
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From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: Re: CFD for *.apathy newsgroups
Reply-To: J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov>
Organization: AS&M Inc
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:27:50 GMT

In article <nrp.717850955@reading> nrp@csug3.cs.reading.ac.uk ("Educated bags" Neilski) writes:

   I would comment, but I can't be bothered.

But you did reply.  Drum him out of the club, if anybody cares.
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 16:58:07 GMT
Organization: Mr. Lazlo's Temple Of The Mighty Rude-Boy Skank

rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) writes:

> This is the crucial issue in determining the sensibility of keeping two
> topics in one group. I haven't seen any real cross-discussion at all,
> just jazz articles and blues articles. 

There is no objective way to determine the "sensibility" of keeping the
two topics in one place; if the people using the group now like it that
way it should stay that way.  I doubt that many people who are comfortable
with the way things are now will be swayed by any "evidence" of cross-
discussion or the lack thereof.  

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

Lock the target.  Bait the line.  Spread the net.  Catch the man.
From: lentz@reber.astro.nwu.edu (Robert A. Lentz)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD comp.sys.mac.macapp3
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:07:07 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL

In article <werner-210992100400@tol7mac19.soe.berkeley.edu> werner@soe.berkeley.edu (John Werner) writes:
>I thought I'd address some of the feedback I've gotten since I posted the
>RFD for comp.sys.mac.macapp3 last Thursday.  Most of the comments I've
>gotten via email or seen on news.groups have been on just a few topics:
>
>1) Why a MacApp-specific group?  Several people have suggested that we
>should create a general "oop" or "frameworks" group now, and add a MacApp
>group later.  If we were creating a new newsgroup from scratch, I would
>agree.  But the demand for this newsgroup (or at least _my_ interest in it)
>grew out of the existing MacApp3 mailing list.  The current list works
>well, there are a lot of subscribers (500+), and many of them would like to
>participate via a newsgroup rather than a mailing list.
>...
>The advantage of csm.oop.macapp3 is that it would be a bit easier to add
>more groups later for TCL or Bedrock or whatever.  Or even a "misc" group
>for general discussion.  These other groups could probably be added under
>csm.programmer almost as easily, though.

Personally if there is going to be a MacApp specific group, I would like to
also see a TCL specific group. My interest in this also comes from the
current mailing list. I would also think with the price differential that
there would probably be more people with potential interest in a TCL group.

-Robert Lentz
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Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.config
From: cbarkley@alex (The DarkMage)
Subject: Proposed New Group
Organization: Computer Science, Trinity University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 07:38:15 GMT

After having seen the movie "Innocent Blood", I propose the creation
of a new group:  alt.sex.bondage.vampire

By the way, anyone who seriously considers creating, subscribing to, or
especially posting to such a group should probably be denied access to
sharp objects of any kind.

-- 
Christopher Barkley
The DarkMage
cbarkley@tusol.cs.trinity.edu
Reality is a State of Mind
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From: rivan@bnr.ca (Robert Ivan)
Subject: rec or alt.joke  - does one exist?
Reply-To: rivan@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 14:02:49 GMT


 I was looking around on my server for a newsgroup
on jokes and couldn't find one.  If there is one
let me know.  If there isn't wouldn't it be great
to have one.  This newsgroup would allow us to compile
al sortsof jokes from around the world.  And maybe 
when we are done the world would disapear.  But
seriously folks ......



Rob
Xref: sparky news.groups:18422 rec.music.bluenote:7435
From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: 28 Sep 92 05:28:18 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <RSHAPIRO.92Sep27170548@kariba.bbn.com> rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) writes:
>2. For every jazz tune that's built on a blues structure, I can name
>one that's built on some so-called standard (an example of a standard
>is "Body and Soul"). The same point could be made about ballads, and
>quite possibly about tunes borrowed from Broadway, not even to mention
>all the jazz that doesn't use *any* previous form as a basis. Charlie
>Parker was a fine blues player, but his great breakthrough came with
>improvisations built out of songs like "I Got Rhythm", "Cherokee" and
>"Honeysuckle Rose", none of which are blues. John Coltrane was most
>fond of using "My Favorite Things", which could hardly be further from
>blues. 

Bird said you could never play too many blues.   As for the
breakthrough, I don't think it "came with" those song forms you
mentioned more than it "came with" the blues.  If you are saying his
innovative harmonic procedures did not come from the blues, that is
correct.  But that is isolating the technique from the aesthetic.
You could turn the argument on its head and say he expanded the blues
aesthetic so it incorporated these advanced harmonic procedures.

There have been cases where classical composers have written
compositions with the so called "blue notes".  Yet they don't come off
sounding like the blues.  That is because the notes are correct, but the
feeling is not known by persons in that tradition.

Again, Coltrane's innovations hardly stemmed from anything in the form
of My Favorite Things.  I would guess that Trane liked MFT because he
could play an extended open form in a minor key, and follow it with an
extended form in the same major key.  However, I think his screams
and multiphonics and pulsating vibrato have much in common with vocal
techniques of blues singers.  Just as do James Brown's vocal style.

Count Basie once played at the Ann Arbor Blues festival, and was asked
how he felt playing at a blues festival, and he said "I am the Blues".
Ornette Coleman played at the same festival.

Ellington had a keen sense of the blues, and always had the strongest
blues players in his band, such as Hodges, Bigard, Miley, and
Williams.  Even in his non-blues compositions, he charactaristic usage 
the dominant 7 sharp 9 chords suggests the blues, with the blue notes 
of a minor third and minor 7th on a major chord.

Miles Davis wasn't too fond of the word "jazz", but he never minded if
you used the word "blues" to describe the feeling of his music.

I think there is some essence of the blues that is at the heart of all
styles of jazz.  I think that you would get a consensus from most jazz 
musicians.

Jeff
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From: jfurr@vtssi.vt.EDU (Joel Furr)
Subject: Create a killfile? AAAAAAAARGH!
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:15:17 GMT

I have a bone to pick with the people who say "Why create another newsgroup to
eliminate blatantly off-topic chatter from a newsgroup you read?  Use a
KILLFILE!  Here, I'll SHOW YOU HOW!"

Why?

Because, as anyone with a little sense would realize, SOME PEOPLE CANNOT
CREATE KILLFILES.

I repeat: SOME PEOPLE CANNOT CREATE KILLFILES.

Somewhere in the news.announce.newusers files that get posted, there's a note
to the effect that it's bad manners to assume that everyone reads news on a
UNIX box somewhere.  

I, for one, read USENET off a campus bulletin board system to which requested
USENET feeds are gatewayed, and post to USENET via the University of Texas and
Ohio State University mail-to-news gateways.  I cannot create a killfile any
more than I can create a lavish .sig file that gets automatically posted.  I
can't crosspost, for that matter.

So please, those of you who have a kneejerk reaction to an otherwise worthy
newsgroup or alt. group to say "You slobs, USE A KILLFILE," try remembering
that not everyone CAN.

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Xref: sparky news.groups:18609 alt.religion.kibology:4069
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Proposal of new group: soc.culture.kibonia
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:51:29 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Oct1.010129.4461@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>In article <BvDxy8.65o@world.std.com>, kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
>> 	It would also be the only soc.culture.* newsgroup to be read by
>> EVERYONE in its native country, and would serve as an excellent example
>> of how Usenet will soon control the world.
>
>	Silly!  Kibonia is much too imortant for that.  Clearly,
>
>kibo.culture is the needed group.

Whatever the group is, I think it should be moderated to eliminate
double-spaced posts.
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From: haulam@or.credence.com (Hau Lam )
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: RFD: rec.sports.table-tennis
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:52:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: credence.1992Oct2.175217.9362
Organization: Credence Systems Corp. Beaverton, OR

The sport of Table Tennis has been gaining popularity since its first
appearance as an Olympic Sport in Soel, Korea, 1988.

The game that has been thought of as a basement sport has actually been
having almost a century old of history in the United States (let alone
in other countries like China, Sweden, Japan, Korea, etc.)

China has been dominating the sports with world champ and world team 
champ titles for many years in the 70s, and 80s.  But, the 'table' has
turned and the prestige has been taken by Sweden in the 90s.  However,
Chinese Women players are still ranked top in the world.

In America?  there are 4.5 million men playing table tennis, and 2.5
million women table tennis players (statistic from the Neilson (sp?) 
rating reported to the United States Table Tennis Association [USTTA].)

For Prodigy users/members, there's a category for table tennis enthusiats
to exchange tips, ideas, experience, tournament information, equipments,
and other activities that a network can help promote.

I believe forming of a newsgroup with the name: rec.sports.table-tennis
will give us table tennis lovers another great medium to share our 
enthusiasms.

Let's pingpong the right way:  playing fast tennis on a table... indoor, all
year-round.

--Hau Lam--
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote