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From: PAULETTI@biel.be.tech.ascom.ch (Pauletti Andreas)
Subject: Errors when dumping EMACS 18.58
Organization: Ascom Tech Ltd., Corporate Services, Division for Research 
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 06:48:58 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

Hi

Over the weekend I tried to install the emacs 18.58 I dounloaded from
cs.ruu.nl (file : ATARI-ST/gnu/emacs). When I try to dump EMACS using
the dumpemacs.ttp in the e-bin directory I get the following error
message

   This is `dumpemac', the coffee break edition
           written by Frank Ridderbusch

   The dumping procedure takes about 13 minutes and 30 seconds
   on a normal ST. So, it's time to have a coffee break. You
   should be back at around 17:17 o'clock.

   First dump. Commandline: .\temacs -batch -l loadup.el dump

>>>Cannot open load file: loadup.el

The environment variables I set (in tcsh.rc under MiNT) are the
following

   setenv EMACSLOADPATH /dev/H/gnu/emacs/e-bin
   setenv EMACSLIB /dev/H/gnu/emacs/e-lisp
   setenv EMACSDOC /dev/H/gnu/emacs/e-etc

   setenv UNIXMODE "/.,LAHdb"

The un-ZOO-ed files are in the following directory structure as it is
stated in the file documnts/st-emacs.doc with H:\GNU\EMACS as the top 
of the tree.

   ---d-        0 28.08.97 16:40:54 documnts
   ---d-        0 28.08.97 16:41:28 e-bin
   ---d-        0 28.08.97 16:43:24 e-etc
   ---d-        0 28.08.97 16:44:46 e-lisp
   ---d-        0 28.08.97 17:12:50 examples
   -----     1355 16.07.92 18:40:08 readme.1st

I tried the brut force method and copied all .el files in the e-bin 
directory and runed "dumpemac.tos". The effect was, that it found
the files, but after about 8 files the program aborts with the 
following message.

>>> Pure Lisp storage exhausted

My machine configuration is :

   520ST, 4MB-Ram, TOS 1.0 (still waiting for MultiTOS !)


Is there a kind soul that could help me.

cheers andreas pauletti
From: undermind!cmc@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: OS/2 HPS and Atari file format
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:24:00 GMT
Organization: Fortress R&D 404/521-0445 v.32bis TurboPEP
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant

OS/2 HPS file systems cannot be written on floppy disks. they are restricted 
to hard drives. at least, that is what my version of OS/2 2.0 does...

-chris 
 cmc@under.mind.ORG
From: dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Your Conscience)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Mac Portable vs. ST Portable
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:30:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Sep3.183030.28930
Organization: The Ohio State University

>>- who now has a shorter .sig file due to complaints...
>
>    If I had thought complaints would help, I would have sent you mail
>too.  :)!!!  (not that I have anything against Willie Whats-his-name...)

GOSH! You *remembered*!    :-))))
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From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari ST with 60Mhz 68040 on the Atari
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:38:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: newshost.1992Sep4.203806.2933
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article poL6Fk@fredrik.atari.no, jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no (Joern Moe) writes:

>I remember to have read that you could replace a 486DX with a 486DX2 and gain
>som real increase in performance, without changing the clock frequency in the
>machin!?!?

Just FYI, Intel's DX2 chips are known as "clock doublers" in that they internally
double the effective clock speed of the DX chip.  Hence, a 486-DX33 can operate
at 66MHz with the addition of the DX2 chip.  What's nice about this arrangement
is that the system components don't necessarily have to be rated for a 66MHz cpu
which keeps costs _much_ less than what a "true" 66DX layout would cost.  The
downside is that vendors must be careful about architecture due to heat problems
and only your real CPU intensive tasks benefit greatly from the DX2.  Still, the
overall throughput is such that a DX2 should provide about 85% the speed of a
DX for just a few hundred bucks more.  Quite a savings so it is no wonder that
the PC community is excited about this technology... a 66MHz machine for less
than the cost of last year's 33MHz barn stormer ain't bad (even if it IS a PC). :)

Unfortunately (?), Motorola chips were not built with the flawed design that
allows Intel to come up with a clock doubler chip in the first place.  :)

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From: vombruch@quando.quantum.de (Stefan vom Bruch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon Graphics
Date: 27 Aug 92 06:55:09 GMT
Organization: Quantum Software GmbH, Dortmund, Germany
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Herbert Martin Sauro (hrs@aber.ac.uk) wrote:
: Having now seen the Falcon at first hand (ie at the show) I was a bit
: disappointed at the graphics. The 640x480 at 256 colour appeared to
: be quite stable, almost as good as mono on an SM124. The higher colour
: modes however, weren't very good and a number of the monitors showed
: flicker which is a shame. But I guess with 640x480 2356 colour at least
: we're now up to Mac and PC standard. The sound system was very good
: though, I don't use my ST for music but the sound coming from the 
: Falcon was as good as a CD.

I think most people were a bit disappointed with what they saw - that was
the impression I got. The 640x480x256 mode is non-interlaced on a VGA monitor
so it should be stable. Most monitors/TVs on the show however used the 
interlaced modes - I guess Atari wanted to show off the true-colour 
capabilities of the Falcon - that's were the flicker came from; not very
impressive.
There were some game demos on display: one Defender-like game which looked
quite good and another arcade-adventure-like game, which looked okay but
it took ages to load from hard disk - we are talking minutes(!)... not a
very good choice if you want to show off the speed of a Falcon.

I have to agree that the sound system was the most impressive thing about the
Falcon. The graphic modes are more or less standard, nothing you haven't seen
before but the in the sound department the Falcon shows its real strength.
It gives you more possibilities and better sounds than any other computer
system (in that price range anyway) - it's worth buying it for that alone.

Stefan



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From: djs@jet.uk (David J Stevenson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: FALCON
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:37:27 GMT
Organization: Joint European Torus

In <1992Aug24.073643.14690@rose.com> mark.thomas@rose.com (mark thomas) writes:


>Date Entered: 08-24-92 03:28
>     As a musician, I think that all this blickering about the
>Falcon's video capabilities and 16Mhz speed is missing what a
>revelution the Falcon means to a musician. 
> 
>     The Falcon has 8 CD quality audio ports. It does not take much
>imagination to see the Falcon as a sampling device with capabilites
>that today would cost about $6000. 
> 
>     Also I hope that these ports can be harnessed into an 8-channel
>digital recorder. It is true that a very large hard disk will be
>required, but try to buy such a system today for under $15000 
> 
>     The Falcon (and other computers to follow) will continue to
>revelutionize the industry. Imagine...home digital recording.... 
> 
A few reasons why some current devices cost several thousands:
  a) They contain the software to control the sampling, playback etc and
     to allow sample editing... The Falcon does not.
  b) Such devices contain High Quality ADCs and DACs.  Do you know what
     the quality of the Falcon's converters are?  As a musician, I thought
     you might realise that just because a spec sheet says 50kHz 16bit or
     whatever, this does NOT necessarily mean CD quality; look how much the
     sound of CD players has improved since their introduction, still with
     the same digital data.  (Anyway my not-very-expensive CD is
     18bit 176kHz on output anyway, by oversampling). The 56K chip is
     going to have its work cut out if it is performing oversampling,
     digital effects and EQ, real-time editing etc as available on
     the expensive equipment.

I do expect the Falcon to become the basis of some reasonably priced recording
systems, but I do not think that, without extra hardware, I do not think that
it will compete with the $15000 Pro systems you mention.

David.
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From: richardson@sscl.uwo.ca
Subject: ZOO/ZIP etc...RELIABILITY?????
Organization: Social Science Computing Laboratory
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:31:43 GMT

All the talk concerning the size and spped etc. of different archivers is fine,
but in the long run I want to know which of these formats is the most stable. 
If I go to de-archive some data files 6mos. form now I don't want bad header
errors galore...anyone have any facts on reliability of archivers?  Maybe you
could post if you lost an archive and we could do a very un-scientific poll of
archive reliability.  BTW, i'd always found .lzh the best for size, until.zoo,
and I haven't really looked at .zip.

			T.T.F.N.
					JR.

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From: mpark@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Park)
Subject: Re: FALCON
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:50:43 GMT

In article <27171@life.ai.mit.edu> dmb@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett) writes:
...
>All I'm saying is that whatever the Falcon has in it, the machine was
>not designed with a high-end audio system in it.  At the price they're
>giving, and with the cheesy ST-style construction, it's just not
>possible to equal high-end samplers, quality wise.  Hence my conclusion
>that the Falcon's digital audio capabilities, while extremely useful
>for a front-end, are inappropriate for use as a professional
>direct-to-disk recording system.
...
>The original claim I responded to was (essentially) "the Falcon will
>revolutionize the music business because it will allow anyone to do
>professional direct-to-disk recording for very little money." The
>Falcon may be a nice machine, but it's not *that* nice.
>

Strictly speaking, direct-to-disk recording doesn't even require D/A
conversion, so this whole discussion is kinda pointless :^)
Seriously, though, in addition to a big disk, you'll need a good
(==expensive?) sound digitizer (I don't recall reading that the
Falcon has 16-bit A/D on board...)

>Dave Baggett
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From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: FALCON
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:23:34 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

jhh@cwi.nl (Jaap Henk Hoepman) writes:

> |> And fourth, how many times do you have to be told that samplers and
> |> recorders are completely different?  A sampler's DAC involves things like
> |> moving anti-aliasing filters and variable-frequency playback.  An audio
> |> recorder can make do with fixed-frequency playback and simple D/A
> |> conversion.
> 
> It might interest you to know that currently the new range of Roland samplers
> use fixed-frequency playback.

Kurzweil's supposed to be doing it soon, as well.  Pretty neat.  It means a
lot more internal number-crunching, but great audio results.

> The fact that older samplers use variable-frequency playback and moving
> anti-aliasing filters only makes them much more expensive surely not
> better (in precision) than fixed-frequency DAC's. 

??...that was sort of my point, J.  I was saying that samplers require
costlier hardware that isn't particularly better at the kind of clean
fixed-frequency reproduction involved in audio recording.
 
> Regarding precision, I'd rather `make do' with a fixed frequency DAC, using
> some good interpolation (quadratic) method, than relying on a moving anti-ali
> filter. Anyone who has any experience with analog filter techniques knows tha
> filters, and especially state-variable ones, are always imperfect.

Agreed.  See above.  And in addition to the imperfect filtration, there's
also the added noise that comes with analog components in the signal chain.

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From: june@f308.n133.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Ed June)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Falcon
Date: 23 Aug 92 15:51:54 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:133/308 - Information Overloa, Riverdale GA

On <Aug 22 14:19>, Samos of 1:133/411 wrote to All:

 S> From: amos@prl.dec.com (Samos)
 S> Date: 20 Aug 92 14:25:49 GMT
 S> Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Paris Research 
 S> Laboratory Message-ID: <1992Aug20.142549.2831@prl.dec.com>
 S> Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st

 S> Do you think it is worth buying a falcon ??


No.
WAY too slow!





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From: ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Stephen R Usher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: GEM.. what needs to be fixed, and soon!
Date: 4 Sep 92 10:10:48 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium, London

In article <4406@equinox.unr.edu> chan@pyramid.unr.edu (Kaho Chan) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.100551.4716@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Stephen R Usher) writes:
>>
[Much deleted]
>
>>
>>(2) Printer drivers have to be assigned at INSTALL time or by editing a
>>		file.
>>
>>	This is a MAJOR failing. Call the system user friendly? Even the
>>first version of MS Windows had the capability to select the type of printer
>>driver from a menu at any time.
>
>	Why is this a major flaw?  Printer drivers are software.... the
>	people who wrote those don't have every printer in mind... Just
>	because it's Epson (or other) compatible, doesn't mean that it's
>	100% workable on your XYZ (non-EPSON) type printer...
>
>	I think that you are referring to being able to change the 
>	printer driver through Windows... Well, as far as I know (I hope),
>	GEM permits (through the Control Panel) the user to choose options
>	fitting his printer, BUT, it is not the printer driver (type) you
>	are reffering to...
>	Software-wise, you choose the printer driver through the program...
>	I may be wrong on this...

I believe you are.. at least in the case of the Mac, and I think MS-Windows
is the same. The application gives the "OS" a description of the document to
be printed. The "OS" then gives this to the printer driver which does the
conversion to a format the printer understands and sends it to the printer
via whatever means the user has selected. ie. It could be a postscript
printer being controlled by a card in the VMEbus slot at the back of a TT.
It doesn't matter too hoots to the application where the data's going to.

This is in fact what GDOS does too. When you don't have GDOS loaded and
print something from, say, the desktop the program has to do all the hard
work for itself.

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From: paetau@mits.mdata.fi (Rasmus Paetau)
Subject: Falcon RS-Port max baud rate?
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 18:38:26 GMT


Does anybody know how fast the Falcon030 RS-232 port will go?
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From: ronw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (ronald.g.wolenty)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: FOR SALE: SPECTRE GCR
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:30:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


 I have a SPECTRE GCR with MAC ROMS and 3.0 software for sale.
I will consider offers but the first offer of $300 takes it!  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jenkinsj@blowfish.taligent.com (John H. Jenkins)
Subject: Two questions
Organization: Taligent, Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:17:24 GMT

Forgive the potential FQAality of the following questions, but--

#1.  The power supply on my Supra-oid hard disk died.  Any suggestions
on where to go (preferably in the Bay Area) to get a replacement?

#2.  I have some Degas pictures I want to move to a Macintosh.  Is there
a PD utility (like at the umich ftp site) to do this?

E-mail responses are fine.  Thanks in advance.


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From: rbrown1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Randolph Gregory Brown)
Subject: Re: Dungeon Master Question
Reply-To: rbrown1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Randolph Gregory Brown)
Organization: Swarthmore College
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:34:52 GMT

maxn@intermec.com () writes:
> While playing DM I notice that every so often something
> sneaks up behind my characters and instantly kills all
> of them. Has anyone else seen this? What is this thing?
> How do I protect my characters from this.
> 	P.S  I am on level 6
> 
> 	Max Newman      maxn@intermec.com 

If you are numbering levels in the same way that I am, I think that level
six would be a wide open level.  In that case, if your characters are dying
in an explosion, It's probably not some monster but some stray fireball
that's doing it.  Hint: watch the blue fields.  (from a safe distance.)

	-randy   rbrown1@cc.swarthmore.edu
From: neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon Graphics
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:24:35 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Aug27.163806.1979@athena.cs.uga.edu> kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu
(Kristopher Johnson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.151019.26372@cs.hw.ac.uk> neil@cs.hw.ac.uk
>(Neil Forsyth) <- That's me! writes:
>>It would be nice if the Atari desktop could also have multi-coloured icons
>>like W*nd*ws has. I was trying to think of a way it could be bolted on to
>>the exiting GEM interface but no clean solutions came to mind.
>>You'd think we'd be happy with 3D but no. :-)
>Surprise!!!  The new AES that comes with MultiTOS not only has a new 3D look
>to it, but it also allows icons to have up to 256 colors.  So, you don't 
>have to be happy with just 3D. <grin>

Drool, drool. I want it now! I presume the original set come up in colour
and any regular additional icons from the Mega STE or TT come up in b/w.
I guess there will be docs, and hopefully tools, regarding how to create
your own coloured icons.

This explains why Atari are recommending that the first 16 colours of
the 256 colour palette be left alone by the user. It's so the icons and
windows don't look dumb.

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From: djs@jet.uk (David J Stevenson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: FALCON
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:22:11 GMT
Organization: Joint European Torus

In <1992Aug26.083727.1420@jet.uk> djs@jet.uk (David J Stevenson) writes:

>...
>I do expect the Falcon to become the basis of some reasonably priced recording
>systems, but I do not think that, without extra hardware, I do not think that
>it will compete with the $15000 Pro systems you mention.

This got mungled, I ended up putting in a double negative, but I'm sure you
know what I meant!  The audio on the Falcon will almost certainly not compare
with the quality of the Pro systems that the original poster mentioned.

Shameless irrelevent plug:  Anyone in Reading for the rock festival this
weekend might like to check out Blank Generation at the Greyhound, Silver
Street on Thursday (official Festival starts Friday).  But don't expect my ST
to make an appearance, it doesn't drink enough to play in the Blanks...

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