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From: ucsatsd@ucl.ac.uk (-8  Big Bad Bob (B3)  8-)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.config,alt.oobe
Subject: Re: OOBE discussion group name & Skeptics
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:20:50 GMT
Organization: The HRC


As far as the comment about skeptics finding a re-named alt.oobe goes, there
are two points I'd like to make. The first is that to a certain extent, while
the naming of the group does not affect people's ability to find it, it does
change the nature of the group. How many skeptics would waste time on
alt.new-age.astral-guardian-angels.fan ??? Less puriently, when did anyone
notice much skeptic activity in alt.magick?  The name of the group defines 
its reality. Secondly, I for one am not against skeptics being in an OOBE
group. However, I am just as much against batteries of physicists all
insisting that dreams  can have no possible  objective existance in an OOBE
group as I am against people proclaiming that there is only one spiritual
path in a group dedicated to comparative religion.

The main nature of the OOBE group was not to be discussing whether or not 
all who claim OOBEs were hallucinating/mad/lying, it was to discuss OOBEs
reasonably, as far as I can tell. 

"Death to all Fanatics!"

Tim.

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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.config,alt.oobe
Subject: Re: OOBE discussion group name
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:47:42 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Jul29.083224.41978@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, 
sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) writes: 
> The group alt.paranormal is for discussion of paranormal events.  The
> fact that skeptics post there is not a function of the newsgroup name.
> If you think that isn't true, check out alt.astrology.  The skeptics
> are perfectly competent to find the group no matter where you put it
> in the hierarchy.  I see no reason to create a new group, since
> alt.paranormal already exists for this topic, and is getting little
> traffic right now.  If the discussion on alt.paranormal is mostly
> skeptical, it is because that is what people want to say about the
> topic, and creating a new group won't change their minds.

there is discussion of a much different tone going on in alt.dreams, and the
tone there is much closer to what i would like to see on the new newsgroup,
whatever it is called.  however, we've already ruled out alt.dreams.oobe on the
grounds that oobes are NOT dreams.  the skeptics have not found us in
alt.dreams and i think if the discussion in alt.out-of-body (?) is along the
same lines when it starts off, the skeptics won't dictate the conversation.
 
i realize that it is true that no one can limit the topics of discussion, but 
personally i don't want to wade through lots of articles to find one that is 
supportive.  again, i don't want to see the argument on whether obes are "real"
or not taking over the group.

Jude
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: s913579@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Visitor)
Subject: Reoccuring weather patterns.
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:41:37 EST

Greetings,
	
	Just a question, why are ALL my dreams in black and white, in an
	overcast with a storm brewing, and totally silent with absolutely
	no wind.... no trees moving.  The rest changes nicely, its these
	conditions that I don't like.

				Caviar Dreams
				Visitor

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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: preiser@cancer.unm.edu (Doug Preiser)
Subject: Re: Breathing underwater
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:58:13 GMT
Organization: UNM Cancer Center
Reply-To: preiser@cancer.unm.edu

In article <1992Jul21.202152.3480@leela.cs.orst.edu>, uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt) writes:
>I am new to reading alt.dreams. I have had this dream where I am able to 
>breath underwater. It was a weird feeling. It felt soo real. When I woke 
>up I was dissappointed that it wasn't real. I was wondering if anyone else 
>has had this kind of dream too. Also, if someone could tell me if it means 
>anything specific.
>
>-Laura
>

I have had many dreams where I can breathe underwater.  At first, I'm a bit
apprehensive, like I can't get out of the water, and then I start breathing
and think, gee, this is neat.  I don't know what it means, tho.
 -Doug.

>*-------------------------------------------------------------------*
>|     Laura Utt ---- also known as, Krysta @TinyTIM... etc....      |
>|       uttla@jacobs.cs.orst.edu & atlantis.cs.orst.edu             |
>*    -----------------------------------------------------------    *
>| "Make it so." Capt. Picard, ST:TNG     \  "Sometimes I wish to    |
>| "Oh Boy." Sam Beckett, Quantum Leap     \  God I didn't know now, |
>| "As you wish." Wesley, The Princess Bride\  the things I didn't   |
>* ------------------------------------------\  know then." Poison   |
>					     \----------------------*
   Internet: preiser@cancer.unm.edu          So, who's dream is this, anyway?
   Bitnet:   preiser@unmb
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.oobe
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: alt.oobe newsgroup created [was Re: OBE newsgroup? any takers?]
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:13:46 GMT

As promised, I've sent out a control message, which is by now happily
propagating its way throughout the network, to create the "alt.oobe"
newsgroup.  Thus, it should be appearing on your site soon, if it
hasn't already.

I suggest that, at least initially, it might be a good idea to cross-
post all articles that you post to alt.oobe to alt.dreams, since some
people may not know that the new newsgroup exists.  Whether we should
continue to cross-post later is an open question.  Some regular readers
of alt.dreams might prefer that OOBE-related articles be kept out of
alt.dreams once the new newsgroup is firmly-established.  I guess we'll
just have to play it by ear.

As for the naming of the new newsgroup, I chose "alt.oobe" over "alt.obe"
since no one seemed to prefer the latter name over the former, given a
choice between the two - and no one cared to defend "alt.astral.projection"
after a few objections were raised to it.  I hope the majority are happy
with the name.

Let the discussion begin!

Gary
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From: derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Date in Your Dreams? -Impossible!
Keywords: Date, Dreams
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:37:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Guys and Gals:

   Whenever you are dreaming - did you ever notice that it is very
hard to determine the date of the dream itself -- sure, pick up a newspaper,
a calendar or anything - the year will usually be blurry or not there.

   Not so last night --

   I had received today's mail, and somehow I knew I was dreaming -- I didn't
have the heart to look at the postmark, but one of the letters had a check in it.
I opened that letter, and it was a refund check for $393.93 - dated (which I 
had an hard time reading the year!) 6-13-33!!!!!! I'm only 24 years old, being
born in 1967. Does that dream tell me I'll get $393 when I am 66 years old?

- Scott

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From: wills@ms.uky.edu (Will Young)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Another Weird Dream
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:20:36 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Before I go on and start explaining this dream let me thank the people who
replied to my Emotional dream that I had.  It really made me think a lot
about it and I beleive I understand more of what it was saying to me.
Anyhow here is another dream or so that I found out to be rather weird to
me:

Setting:  Being very young or so, arround the 3rd grade or so, in school.

The idea in mind of this was strange.  I was taking a spanish class or so,
the only thing was that I never had foreign language untill I was in 9th
grade.  Anyhow, for some reason, I was speaking  it very well and it was
like I was almost doing everything right except for one person who was
always better than I was.  I felt like I was always trying to do things
right but could never get things to work and when the class ended it was
strange because I felt like I was not completing certain things.  To my
interpertation of this dream, I guess I always wished that I could have
gone back years ago to those times when I was in school when I was young
and redone some things because if I knew what I know now, I'd be doing
things completely different.  Always felt like I was never getting anywhere
in certain things when I was in grade school or so.

Anyhow, if anyone wants to comment on this, please do so, either a post
here or email me. :)

Sincerely,


Will
Young

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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: kmrc@ellis.uchicago.edu (Melanie A. Miller)
Subject: Re: Convince Us, Bill
Reply-To: kmrc@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:31:50 GMT

I just had to interject something here--I once had a very
interesting experience with OOBE, and it was empirically verified.

When I was in grammar school, I was watching some kind of special
on the mind, while my mother was cleaning up the house as
preparation for a party.  During the special, a section on OOBEs
came up, and being the curious child that I was, I decided to
try inducing an OOBE.  

Much to my surprise, it worked.  I stood up, saw myself "asleep" in
front of the TV, and decided to go upstairs and see what my mother
was doing.  I followed her into the bathroom, where I watched her
clean, and I noticed that she folded a washcloth into a small
square and put it on top of the toilet tank (as opposed to the tub,
where we usually flung the washcloths--ours was not a neat family).

Suddenly, I was pulled back into my body.  I got up and stretched a
bit, wondering if I had just had a very vivid daydream or if I had
really experienced an OOBE.  After thinking about it a bit, I
figured that I was just imagining things, and went upstairs to use
the bathroom.

There, on the toilet tank, was a neatly folded washcloth.

Whoa.

MAM
 

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From: gen5006@husky1.stmarys.ca
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: methods for inducing an obe
Date: 25 Jul 92 21:05:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: husky1.1992Jul25.170507.1
Followup-To: alt.dreams
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada

In article <Jul.25.00.20.22.1992.7174@telerobo.rutgers.edu>, roskos@telerobo.rutgers.edu (Roskos) writes:
> The method I have used successfully involves continuously telling
> myself while lying in bed that although I will fall asleep, I will
> become conscious enough when the time comes to experience the OBE.  As
> others have noticed, being very relaxed is important to success.  Just
> becoming awake enough when the time comes generally means you will be
> relaxed, provided you have overcome fear.
> 
  	I've found relaxation crucial myself, and yes the fear is a pretty
tough thing to overcome.  Even though you want the experience to happen
looking down at yourself is pretty nerve stretching.

> I have noticed that there is a very short "spark" or short-circuit of
> the body and mind which enables separation.  Do others also experience
> this?
> 

  	I've noticed this a couple of times, usually when i go right from
being fully awake to having an OBE.

> As far as dreaming about an OBE rather than experiencing one, this
> *MIGHT* be a result of riding the boundary between sleep and being
> awake.  You know you are not awake, and you may feel the numbness,

	Yeah i've dreamed i was having an OBE before, but when it's over
there's no question that it was a dream.

> disorientation, and vibrations which go along with an OBE, but
> separation has not taken place.  What might others think?  Do others
> also experience physical body numbness, disorientation, and vibrations
> during an OBE?

	I usually have the numbness and the disorientation, but i usually only
have the vibrations just before seperation.

Bill.
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: alanj@dadd.ti.com (Alan Jones,AMJ1,)
Subject: Re: OBE newsgroup? any takers?
Reply-To: alanj@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 00:33:12 GMT

Michael Shea writes:

>Sounds great....    how about just "alt.obe"?

I agree - "alt.obe" (or "alt.oobe") is simple and does not make any 
presumptions about what the experience really is - "alt.astral.projection" 
implies what the experience is, and I think it's best not to limit the group
in that way.

---
sincerely,
Alan Jones  /  Texas Instruments, Dallas, TX  /  email=alanj@dadd.ti.com

Newsgroups: alt.dreams,sci.skeptic
From: philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Philip Stephens)
Subject: Re: Dream/Reality
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:53:26 GMT

Rich Payne writes:

>Actually, I meant to point out that there is a difference between being
>able to distinguish dreams from reality, and the ability to have lucid
>dreams on demand. That you can do the first does not prove (or even imply)
>that you can do the second. Neither does it imply that you cannot do the
>second. 

  Indeed, you have a good point there.  You're obviously refering to the
technique of doing "reality checks" as a way of inducing lucid dreams when you
are dreaming.  I've never had much success in that regard; all my lucid dreams
just seem to be spontaneous realisations, not based on any prior attempts to
discover ways of telling the difference between dreams and reality!  That
doesn't mean "reality checks" are not useful--I think quite a few people have
used the technique to good effect.

  Philip Stephens.
From: xxbc10@ucrmath.ucr.edu (joannie humphreys)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: put this in yer pipe an smoke it
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:12:06 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <1992Jul29.141424.5836@iscsvax.uni.edu> middleto5442@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>        Now be kind.  Tell me if I can blame wierdness on dreams just on basis
>of what is realted here.  Most kind. Indeed.
>
>
  No but you can blame dreams on wierdness (from experience :-)
                                              - Joannie Humphreys
Newsgroups: alt.world.taeis
From: tuff@ellis.uchicago.edu (Geoff Tuffli)
Subject: TaeisMUSH: Site Problems
Reply-To: tuff@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:13:20 GMT

	There has been additional problems with the current site that
TaeisMUSH is running at. Hopefully, this will be repairable in the near
future. Apologies for the delay and inconvenience.
 
	Geoff Tuffli

Newsgroups: alt.world.taeis
From: tuff@ellis.uchicago.edu (Geoff Tuffli)
Subject: Taeis FAQ
Reply-To: tuff@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:20:19 GMT


alt.world.taeis FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)

***
This will be reposted at irregular intervals, and modified as
necessary.
***

This newsgroup is for the purpose of constructing a believable fictional
world, for several different purposes. The first, and probably most
importantly, it is for the exercise alone, to see if a collaborative, a
creative work of this intended breadth and depth can be accomplished.
Secondly, this world will be considered to be public property, in that
it can be freely used for fiction of any length, without restriction. All
fiction, however, still remains the property of the author. Finally, it
will also be used as something of a forum for a MUSH that is using Taeis
for its theme.

For those of you unfamiliar with the term, a MUSH is a multi-user text
environment that can be expanded upon with reasonable freedom. AT this time,
there is one MUSH being run on the Taeis theme. It should be noted that
while it is certainly preferable to maintain congruity between the MUSH
and the world as a whole, it is by no means necessary - the MUSH, like any
MUSH based off of a world, has the option of modifying the world in such
ways as is deemed appropriate or necessary.

This newsgroup is intended both for discussion and the presentation of draft
and final (if there can be said to be such a thing) articles or short works
of fiction that take place in the world of Taeis. I will be gradually posting
the documents that up until now I have been keeping on my account - not all
or even a large percentage of these was done by me personally.

For the convenience of the readers, I would request that a convention be
followed:

	Put "MUSH" in the header if it pertains only to the MUSH
	Put "ARTICLE" in the header if it is an article
	Put "FICTION" in the header if it is a work of fiction

	Also, it would in most cases be very helpful to also include in the
header the subject matter the article is on, such as astrophysics, genetics,
geology, culture, and such forth, and also the region of the world to which
it is relevant, if it is appropriate.

In posting the articles, in most cases I only have the name as used on the
MUSH, as most of the work up to now as been done by people who are also there
and who became interested through there. I will include the pseudonym in these
articles - if you would like your real name put on the document, then email me
at tuff@ellis.uchicago.edu and I will modify the documents to include it.

	Geoff Tuffli

Newsgroups: alt.world.taeis
From: tuff@ellis.uchicago.edu (Geoff Tuffli)
Subject: Taeis FAQ
Reply-To: tuff@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:35:55 GMT


alt.world.taeis FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)

***
This will be reposted at irregular intervals, and modified as
necessary.
***

This newsgroup is for the purpose of constructing a believable fictional
world, for several different purposes. The first, and probably most
importantly, it is for the exercise alone, to see if a collaborative, a
creative work of this intended breadth and depth can be accomplished.
Secondly, this world will be considered to be public property, in that
it can be freely used for fiction of any length, without restriction. All
fiction, however, still remains the property of the author. Finally, it
will also be used as something of a forum for a MUSH that is using Taeis
for its theme.

For those of you unfamiliar with the term, a MUSH is a multi-user text
environment that can be expanded upon with reasonable freedom. AT this time,
there is one MUSH being run on the Taeis theme. It should be noted that
while it is certainly preferable to maintain congruity between the MUSH
and the world as a whole, it is by no means necessary - the MUSH, like any
MUSH based off of a world, has the option of modifying the world in such
ways as is deemed appropriate or necessary.

This newsgroup is intended both for discussion and the presentation of draft
and final (if there can be said to be such a thing) articles or short works
of fiction that take place in the world of Taeis. I will be gradually posting
the documents that up until now I have been keeping on my account - not all
or even a large percentage of these was done by me personally.

For the convenience of the readers, I would request that a convention be
followed:

	Put "MUSH" in the header if it pertains only to the MUSH
	Put "ARTICLE" in the header if it is an article
	Put "FICTION" in the header if it is a work of fiction

	Also, it would in most cases be very helpful to also include in the
header the subject matter the article is on, such as astrophysics, genetics,
geology, culture, and such forth, and also the region of the world to which
it is relevant, if it is appropriate.

In posting the articles, in most cases I only have the name as used on the
MUSH, as most of the work up to now as been done by people who are also there
and who became interested through there. I will include the pseudonym in these
articles - if you would like your real name put on the document, then email me
at tuff@ellis.uchicago.edu and I will modify the documents to include it.

	Geoff Tuffli

Newsgroups: alt.world.taeis
From: sabbott@nmsu.edu (SDA)
Subject: <.,.,.>
Organization: WHorshipers of Lady LibertY (WHoLLY)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:16:55 GMT


'Tyle's mom got into a car wreck on her way to the delivery room.  the
car was mangled sideways between the outside of the highway shoulder
and bridge.  after prying the car door open with the "Jaws of Life"
the fire department decided that Tyle's mom was bleeding so badly Tyle
needed to be removed before his mother in kind of a double ceasarian.'

A double ceasarian...

Alfred Adler would have had a field day.

Tyle escaped remarkably untraumatized except for a thick southern drawl
inhabiting his vocal cords til the day he died, despite growing up in
sunny southern california.  

<ya got a fucking problem with this? hit 'd' now>

Tyle became a pugilist.  Not formally, but informal situations were
all battles to be fought and won.  Formally he was a computer
scientest, a computer being one of the few things capable of
tolerating him. 

Actually Tyle wasn't pugilistic at all.  In fact his boyish face,
combined with his melodic drawl, made him loved by all.  Tyle 
played in a band.  His adopted family was incredibly supportive of
his desire to be a rock n roll star.  

He made it big, v e r y  b i g.

No he didn't.

But fame and fortune are not garnishes for happiness.  First of all,
fame and fortune are much more edible than most garnishes.  Second
of all, the capitalistic intents of our society can be dangerously
undermined by not associating happiness with the proletariat sector.

What does this have to do with Tyle???

Look, who cares, schizophrenic behaviour is fun and can sometimes
take the place of *real* thought.  Follow this up with something
mindless, marry the girl/guy next door, write a tedious flame and
bask in the cathartic release, I really don't give a fuck, ok.

Tyle is dead, he never made it past the first month of life.  He was
buried in a tiny box and no one shed real tears for him because no one
ever got to know him, hear his thick southern accent, the way he would
cock his head to the side when he was curious, the way he would play
in mixolydian mode and how he would even sneak in some phrygian stuff
but it was purely accidental cause he never even studied the modes and
in fact barely knew the difference between a major and minor
pentatonic.



//thanks to owen for the first paragraph//
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