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From: v393vlqr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel W. Emmer)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Subject: Re: *** WHAT'S THE BEST COMM PROTOCOL ***
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:46:00 GMT
Followup-To: comp.archives.msdos.d
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec21.195526.29197@uwasa.fi>, ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes...
>In article <1992Dec21.181829.4391@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dml7@navaho.cc.bellcore.com (lee,danny) writes:
>>i'm having trouble deciding which communications protocol package to
>The answer is rather unambiguously zmodem.  If one speaks of the

In my limited experience, Zmodem beats Kermit easily.  The implementations
of Kermit that I've used (VAX/VMS and IBM/CMS) are both far too slow
(barely faster than XMODEM), running in the 7 to 9K per minute range w/ my
2400 bps modem (very approximate times; I haven't used it in a while...). 
Zmodem (using DSZ or GSZ from Omen Technologies on the PC end and SZ [also
Omen] on our VAX - both available from SIMTEL20, etc.) generally gives
slightly over 13K per minute, along with better error correction, crashed
transfer recovery (if a large file xfer crashes in midstream, you can pick
up where it left off instead of restarting from the first byte), and a very
nice graphical (sort of) interface if you use GSZ instead of DSZ.

Possible disadvantages: finding Zmodem for whatever system you're
transferring FROM (I presume there's a UNIX implementation?) if it's not
another PC, and, of course, paying the fee.  DSZ and GSZ are shareware;
MS-Kermit is free (as, presumably, is the Kermit that's built into whatever
other comm program you might be using now).  The VAX/VMS version of SZ,
incidentally, refuses to communicate with non-Omen Zmodem programs. 
Between 2 PCs, though, I presume you could use a FREE Zmodem
implementation, one or two of which are also at SIMTEL.

Well, that's long-winded enough.  Hope it was helpful.  And three cheers
for the new c.a.m.a / c.a.m.d. newsgroup structure!  It's really much
easier to deal with this way....

============================================================================
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University at Buffalo		  [ v393vlqr@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu 
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Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
From: w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Keith Petersen)
Subject: Re: While FTP I got this:
Organization: The SIMTEL20 Archives
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:14:39 GMT

cj337@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Etienne Tasse) writes:
>
>>>> checking security of host `wuarchive.wustl.edu'
>>>> host `wuarchive.wustl.edu' has IP addr [128.252.135.4]
>>>>
>>>> There is a problem with the host name you specified.
[...]
>>>> IP addr [128.252.135.4] has no in-addr PTR RR
>
>Anybody know what do do now?

Just try again.  This apparently was a temporary error.  The address
maps ok now:

$ host 128.252.135.4
Name: wuarchive.wustl.edu
Address: 128.252.135.4

Keith
--
Keith Petersen
Maintainer of the MS-DOS archive at WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil [192.88.110.20]
Internet: w8sdz@TACOM-EMH1.Army.Mil     or      w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu
Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz                         BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives,comp.dcom.modems
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: *** WHAT'S THE BEST COMM PROTOCOL {LONG SUMMARY} ***
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 01:35:02 GMT

In article <g7X8VB14w165w@zswamp.UUCP> geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh) writes:
:   I'm willing to bet that IP also has a higher ease*cost constant for DOS 
:users (of which, unfortunately, I am still one).  For instance, does anyone 
:know if there's some way to get IP to live under my DesqView and be accessible 
:from tasks running under DV?  Sure, I could buy DV/X, which is (1) more 
:expensive than DV/386; (2) more memory hungry, which I can afford even less; 
:(3) TCP/IP-oriented (e.g. has anyone used DV/X with SLIP or PPP?)

I'm told ka9q runs happily under a DOS window.  (I can't swear to that
because I don't use Windows myself).  I'd assume it would be as good or
better under DV.  Also I'm not sure what's all in 'standard' ka9q - the
one I use is a derivative supported (under licence) by my internet
provider.  It's pretty damn good though.

G
From: chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Chaim R. Dworkin)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Subject: Re: Telix v3.20
Date: 3 Jan 93 03:14:30 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Well, there have been a number of methods posted for getting beyond the
opening beg screen on Telix but the simplest hasn't been mentioned yet....
just start the program by typing "Telix <enter> <enter>" and you don't
even see a hint of the opening beg screen.

Chaim R. Dworkin
chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
From: mox@vpnet.chi.il.us (William Moxley)
Subject: Re: Bug in Telix 3.20 found.
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 06:07:26 GMT

The new version of telix, does have graphical upload information.  Check
out telix320.new to see exactly what new features have been added.

		William Moxley
		mox@vpnet.chi.il.us
From: vporguen@unlinfo.unl.edu (victor porguen)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Subject: Re: How to eliminate the SECOND Telix nag screen
Date: 31 Dec 1992 06:08:25 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu
Keywords: Telix Shareware Crippling Screen Telecommunications

Writes alberg@netlan.jpr.com (Al Berg):

> Nag screens seem to be a necessary evil.  

Absolutely no, they are not!  Nearly every person with whom I have
discussed the matter said to me that they quickly get rid of 
programs that have anything more than very unobtrusive nags. I do
the same.  I think the nag screens are the result of a poor 
understanding of marketing principles on the part of the authors,
some sort of "fashionable" thing among shareware publishers.  But 
they =antagonize= people, they don't help registrations. The only 
thing an obnoxious nag screen triggers is a desire to bypass it by
whatever means - and those always become available! 

> The way I see it, you are doing two things during the evaluation 
> period of a piece of shareware: deciding if you wish to use the 
> program (and pay the fee) and hopefully getting some use out of 
> it.  

The evaluation period is very useful, and definitely an improvement
over the "buy first, try later" technique used at first by many
of the larger publishers.  But don't kid yourself: I wasn't getting
any special use out of Telix while testing it - it doesn't do
anything that Qmodem, for example, won't do. Its Host Mode script
is nice, but the Wildcat! Test Drive is much nicer, if that's the
sort of software you are looking for.  In other words: there's
plenty of MS DOS software out there, and nobody has the exclusivity
to anything anymore. That being the case, your suggestion that one
gets some kind of special "use" out of a given package during testing 
it, elicits only my lukewarm response, tending towards cold...

> I think that it is well within the author's rights to include 
> advertising.

Certainly. And it is within my rights to get rid of it in the same
way I turn the television sound off when the commercials start.
Or are you saying that I MUST listen to all the commercials ??????

I have to say something else to you: there are ways and ways to 
advertise. Nag screens are among the most obnoxious and least 
user-sensitive. If those shareware authors had half a brain between 
their ears, they would have dreamed up more effective and less 
offensive ways of accomplishing their goal.

> Finally, put it in perspective - if the software were 
> administering low voltage electric shocks during the eval, 
> I could understand being outraged.  A couple of nag screens 
> that take a second or two to bypass just aren't that big of 
> a deal (to me at least).

Boy, have I got news for you! What do you think those nag screens 
do, using visual stimuli?  Why, they send unwelcome low-voltage 
electric currents to the brain via the nervous system!  That's 
=exactly= what they do.


Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
From: derelict@netcom.com (Daniel D. Miller)
Subject: Re: Telix v3.20
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 05:25:00 GMT

ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes:

>I don't like the unfortunate trend of added nags, though.  There is
>now one at each end.  Of course the Telix nag is rather mild
>compared to some others encountered recently. 

I agree with you whole-heartedly... also, as a long-registered user
of Telix 3.12, I'm disappointed that Jeff didn't bother to at least
send postcards to registered users to notify them of change of status,
new version, etc... I presume he purchased the registered-user list...
 
Just as a reminder to those Telix users who don't know - if you give
ANY KIND of script file on the command line, the intro screen is 
bypassed!!!  My standard trick, learned long ago, is to create an
empty script file called INIT.SLT :

	main()
	   {
	   }

compile this, then run "telix sinit" instead of just "telix"...
this will bypass the intro screen and take you directly to the program.
It works on version 3.20 as well... however, it doesn't solve the
exit screen problem, however...

	derelict

Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
From: eng10459@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN CHEE LEONG)
Subject: What to do with *.zip?
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 07:25:25 GMT

I have been trying to download zipped files from some ftp sites.
Unfortunately, I do not know how to proceed from there, ie. how do I
unzipped these files?

Will anyone please drop a hint?

Chee Leong
From: fetrow@biostat.washington.edu (David Fetrow)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Subject: Re: *** WHAT'S THE BEST COMM PROTOCOL ***
Date: 22 Dec 92 06:01:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec22.060156.21865
Organization: Biostatistics, School of Public Health, Univ. of Wash.

In article <BzMsK9.8y0@acsu.buffalo.edu> v393vlqr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel W. Emmer) writes:

>In my limited experience, Zmodem beats Kermit easily.  The implementations
>of Kermit that I've used (VAX/VMS and IBM/CMS) are both far too slow
>(barely faster than XMODEM), running in the 7 to 9K per minute range w/ my
>2400 bps modem (very approximate times; I haven't used it in a while...). 

 Let's get very specific about what you need to do to make Kermit run at near
Zmodem speeds. Here are the settings I use:

set send packet 2000
set rec packet 2000
set window 2

 ..no claim that this is optimimum for your (or any situation) but it does
speed up kermit something fierce for me; especially at higher serial speeds. 

 Zmodem is essentially Xmodem with bigger packets and sliding
windows (plus a few nice extra enhancements) which is about what these commands
do to any reasonably recent and complete Kermit. Kermits usually are set
up to use the ancient settings by default for backwards compatability,
which makes it look a lot worse than it is if you don't take the time
to experiment a bit. 


-- 
   -dave   fetrow-		INTERNET:	fetrow@biostat.washington.edu
   				BITNET:		fetrow@uwalocke
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: PC-MAG Benchmark 7.0
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:00:28 GMT

In article <BznGuv.Kq1@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> rlee@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Rich Lee) writes:
>Yeah it locked up my computer on the XMS check.  Then when I rebooted.
>(RESET button only) it had crashed my HD.  It really did a number on it too.
>But I backup so no big loss.  Also just for future reference. NEVER use
>pctools MIRROR data when you have moved or erased directories.  It REALLY
>messes things up.....oh well.  use 6.0

Then it is fortunate that I preserved it for public access having
had problems with 7.0 myself.  The curse of current trend of
programs getting too bloated for their own good.

 506102 Oct 20  1991 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/sysinfo/bench60.zip

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Subject: Re: SEX100.ZIP - Waffle BBS utility for news & dir expiration
From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin)
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:45:00 GMT
Organization: Beckman Instruments, Inc.

In <9212230327.kp5283@tacom-emh1.army.mil> kilgore@obelisk.pillar.com (Stan Hall) writes:

>I have uploaded to WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil:

>pd1:<msdos.waffle>
>SEX100.ZIP      Waffle BBS utility for news & dir expiration

I certainly like the name. :-)

--
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My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer.
My interaction with our news system is unstable; please mail anything important.
From: abhalla@infopls.chi.il.us (Arun Bhalla)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Subject: posting programs
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 00:13:41 CST
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

Where do I post programs (UUENCODED) on Usenet?


Arun Bhalla 

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From: BGAA@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA (BGAA000)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives
Subject: Re: *** WHAT'S THE BEST COMM PROTOCOL ***
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:43:04 GMT
Organization: McGill University


Zmodem is fine and dandy at 2400 baud and slower but if you're up to
9600 and higher, then try Ymodem-G. I consistently get 50 cps higher
than with Zmodem.  Also, there's a new protocol that just came out
called Zyrion which gives up to 150 cps higher than a Zmodem transfer
at a 14.4 connection.

Tony Kwan
bgaa@mcgillb
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
From: grover@mighty-joe.isri.unlv.edu (Kevin Grover)
Subject: Re: Clipart Archives??
Reply-To: grover@isri.unlv.edu
Organization: Information Science Research Institute (UNLV-ISRI)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 23:09:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.144223.2684@rtfm.mlb.fl.us>, steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Steve Pierce) writes:
) Does anyone know of a good clipart (preferably .PCX or .TIF)
) archive?  Also, does anyone know of a program that will print a nice
) catalog of clipart?
)
) I have several disks of .PCX files and it is a pain trying to
) remember what each file looks like.  I can use several viewers but I
) would like a hardcopy catalog.

CorelMOSAIC (comes w/ CorelDRAW! package) will print a catalog of
Bitmapped images (and Vector images if they store a 'thumbnail' bitmap
(like Corel .cdr file do).

I do not know if a program that will do the same thing for .CGM
(Computer Graphics Metafiles) or WMF (Windows Meta Files) which do not
have a thumbnail bitmap (that I know of)

- Kevin Grover, grover@unlv.edu
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
From: mox@vpnet.chi.il.us (William Moxley)
Subject: Re: File sizes please?
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:52:53 GMT

I agree, it would save a lot of time!

			William Moxley

Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
From: rmccown@world.std.com (Bob McCown)
Subject: BBS Select-type program wanted
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:08:00 GMT

I'm looking for a program a'la BBS SELECT to allow my users to choose
between 2 different BBS's.  Ive tried BBSMENU from garbo, but it wont do
exactly what I want.  Any other ideas?
-- 
|  Bob McCown / Mundane - Robur of Roestoc / SCA - Sir Gaath Gazul / NERO  |
|  rmccown@world.std.com                                                   |
|  "'ow d'you know 'e's a king?" "'cause 'e 'asn't got shit all over 'im!  |
|									   |
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: Telix v3.20
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 10:01:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.052500.1576@netcom.com> derelict@netcom.com (Daniel D. Miller) writes:
>ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes:
>>I don't like the unfortunate trend of added nags, though.  There is

>I agree with you whole-heartedly... also, as a long-registered user

>It works on version 3.20 as well... however, it doesn't solve the
>exit screen problem, however...

First a heavy disclaimer, before giving the solution.  I am not
sanctioning dubious practices! Besides I can honestly say that I am
rather conscientious in registering the shareware programs I adopt. 
I want stress the importance of observing the shareware conventions. 
Nevertheless, there are both commericial and shareware (nad even PD)
programs that (even after registering) have such a welcome or a
goodbye screen (or some other information) which I prefer the
bypass.  I use pushing the screen prior the call and popping it
afterwards.  It is very simple to do in a batch file if you have my
pushscr and popscr.  In other words the utilities, which I refer to
in below, can be used to restore the screen to its original state
whatever the actual program does (like clearing the screen,
presenting the welcome/goodbye, confusing the screen, etc). 

garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsutld20.zip Fourth set of Utilities, T.Salmi
Filename        Comment                             Date      Time
--------        --------------------------------    ----      ----
POPSCR.EXE      Pop screen from image file        09-09-90  11:44:56
:
PUSHSCR.EXE     Push screen to image file         09-09-90  11:44:52
:
----            ------             ------  -----
0017            147065             106344   28%

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland
From: sumargoh@widget.fiu.edu (H. Sumargo)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Subject: Converting C programs to device driver programs
Date: 2 Jan 93 15:37:24 GMT
Reply-To: sumargoh@fiu.edu
Organization: FIU Electrical & Computer Engineering

I am looking for pointers on how to convert mostly any program written in c language
to a device driver program so that it can be loaded during boot up.  If you have any
idea to implement such thing or known some existing written source code, either in c
or assembly, please kindly email to sumargoh@fiu.edu.

Thank you very much.
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
From: Sten M. Drescher <smd@hrt216.brooks.af.mil>
Subject: Re: *** WHAT'S THE BEST COMM PROTOCOL ***
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
	<1992Dec21.195526.29197@uwasa.fi>
	<1992Dec22.153848.29167@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu>
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:30:40 GMT

On 22 Dec 92 15:38:48 GMT, rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner) said:

 Richard> I think the answer is quite ambiguous.  Zmodem is definitely
 Richard> faster and has better error recovery, but kermit, xmodem, and
 Richard> ymodem are more ubiquitous at this time.  I find that some
 Richard> sites will allow zmodem, but it is a rare site indeed that
 Richard> does not have kermit.

	You ought to check out BBSs more often, then.  NONE of the 20-30 BBS
systems I call in the San Antonio area support Kermit, but they almost
all support ZModem (the only one that doesn't is a games-only bbs).
Since I only call one mainframe that uses Kermit, from my perspective
it's a rare site indeed that does have Kermit.
-------------------------------+---------------------------------------------
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2709 13th St #1248             | Living examples of what we could be if we
Brooks AFB, TX 78235-5224      | tried.  They are men of courage, compassion,
-------------------------------+ and justice.  On the other hand, there are
sdrescher@animal.brooks.af.mil | presidential candidates.
-------------------------------+---------------------------------------------
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Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.archives,comp.dcom.modems
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: *** WHAT'S THE BEST COMM PROTOCOL {LONG SUMMARY} ***
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:33:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.203802.13335@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dml7@navaho.cc.bellcore.com (lee,danny) writes:
:_________________ABSTRACT_________________
:
:Subject: *** WHAT'S THE BEST COMM PROTOCOL ***

Your summary missed a less obvious one but one that clearly wins as 'best'
on all criteria except perhaps raw download speed and availability:
tcp/ip - over either slip or ppp - can't be beaten by kermit, zmodem, or
the rest.  You can just do *so* much more with it...

G
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
From: law30129@nusunix1.nus.sg (GNANASIHAMANI KANNAN)
Subject: BOO Format Archive ???
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 09:58:18 GMT

      I came across this ftp site - pdsoft.lancs.ac.uk where there 
      was some win3 shareware I needed.  Only problem was it was
      in BOO format archive - never heard of it.  To top it all
      the DEBOO prog provided at the site was faulty.
      Can anyone out there tell me where I can find DEBOO.

      Plese mail me any info.   Thanks !!!


      KANNAN
      NATIONAL UNIVERSITY OF SINGAPORE
From: alberg@netlan.jpr.com (Al Berg)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d
Subject: Looking for pgm to disable certain keystrokes
Keywords: TSR keyboard
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 10:18:06 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: NETLAN, Inc. LANLINK ONLINE BBS - New York City

Happy New Year, all!

I am seeking a program that will allow me to (temporarily) disable 
certain keystrokes from being passed to an application (ie user presses 
Alt-X and it goes to the bit bucket before the app gets it).  I envision 
this being a TSR that I can load and unload as needed.

Anyone know where I can find such a beast?

AdTHANKSvance
Al


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