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From: jonas@beor.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Josef Nelissen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Steffi wants to retire in 4 or 5 years (Was: News, Dec 30)
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:23:55 GMT
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik - RWTH Aachen
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Keywords: News, Tournaments

cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Smith) writes:

>  + There was a report this morning on Australian radio that Steffi Graf
>    had announced she would retire after another 4 years of competition.
>    I can't verify the report, so maybe it should be labeled as a "rumor."

I read this in a reliable german newspaper (perhaps the "Frankfurter
Allgemeine Zeitung"; FAZ), so I would guess we must consider it a serious
statement :-(.
As far as I remember, Steffi stated that she couldn't imagine to play
pro tennis at the age of 28 or 29. There would be so much things she
would like to do instead, such as travelling to countries she hasn't seen
on the tour, and others things she now hasn't got the time to do.

-- 
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RWTH-Aachen, Ahornstr. 55, W-5100 Aachen, Germany, Tel. +49 241/80-21060,
FAX +49 241/80-21079, e-mail jonas@beor.informatik.rwth-aachen.de
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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Pro-tennis Not Well-Served in the U.S.
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:20:37 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Originator: clin@bandwidth.eng.umd.edu


   Actually the real reason, so Tennis Magazine claims, that they do not have
recent results is that to do so would cost a lot more money.  Tennis doesn't
have the readership that Sports Illustrated does, and so, for some reason,
they save money by having older results.   I guess that means they go to
press earlier, and the distribution of the magazine can be a little slower.
A national newspaper like USA Today has enough of a readership that they can
have several different sites to print the day's paper, and distribute it
quickly.

   I also wonder if it costs too much to have reporters going to every match,
and recording the results of that match.   I would think that in order to
save money, they choose to only report on the major events.   I do find it sad
that they can't go out and do in-depth interviews (they do some) or in-depth match
coverage.   I'm sure part of it is money though.

    Ideally, I think a tennis magazine ought to cover the tournaments, even
getting to game by game coverage as well as overall coverage to certain matches.
It should try to do some investigative reporting to find out such items as
how the money works.   Someone who may watch a lot of tennis, may not
realize the kind of money that might exchange hands, or how much it costs to
get player so-and-so to go to this tournaments.

    It should also contain some kind of instruction, and some detailed advice
on selection of racquets, dealing with mail-order companies, and other kinds
of equipment.   Perhaps they might throw in some "science" to explain why
spin works, how they make graphite racquets, how they measure flexibilty.
Racquet reports should have a variety of people play-testing it and giving
their opinions, and perhaps some of them should even be critical.   

    They might even try to talk about up-and-coming juniors, the seniors
tour, how various countries set up their programs, etc.   

    And, of course, transcripts of rec.sport.tennis... :)

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
From: mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Agassi pulled out of the Australian Open
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:05:27 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Cal Poly SLO


In response to my posting below:
>>I trust that everybody has heard that Andre Agassi is not going to
>>be in the Australian Open: he has bronchitis.
this was written:
>
>Bummer!
>It's not going to be worth watching now!
>
>John. (One of Agassi's REAL fans)
>
This reaction, unfortunately, is symptomatic of what's wrong with
the state of pro-tennis  in this country.  
I argue once more that the health of pro-tennis as a viable sport
in this country depends on cultivating fans who appreciate the
competition and play quality of the tournaments other than those
fans who will watch one particular favorite player only.

M. Liu
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 5 Jan 1993 17:42:50 EST
From: ABHAY <IO10928@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: News, Jan 5
 <1993Jan05.160103.4683@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>
 <1993Jan5.163825.1156@research.nj.nec.com>

In article <1993Jan5.163825.1156@research.nj.nec.com>, tim@research.nj.nec.com
(Tim Van Der Avoird) says:

>>Thanks, Chris, for informing us.  Just curious: where is Qatar?  I
>>would guess that it's near Australia?  And do you know if the tournament
>>is indoor or outdoor?
>
>Almost... To my knowledge Qatar is in the Middle East. It is close to
>Kuwayt (remember?!) and also near the Persian Gulf. If am right it is
>a neighboring peninsula of Saudi Arabia.

>Tim

 And where may I ask is "Kuwayt"?

BTW Doha or Ad Dawhah happens to be the capital of Qatar..
It may or may not be indoor tournament.. It is very hot out there, but if
 the players are trying to get acclimatized for the Aust. open then the
tourn.. may be outdoor..
 Abhay

Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: PH412000@brownvm.brown.edu
Subject: Re: Hopman Cup Update
Organization: Brown University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:59:03 GMT

>From: cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Smith)
>Subject: Hopman Cup Update


>Spain defeats the Czech republic in a dramatic mixed doubles match and
>thus advances to the finals of the Hopman Cup.  The Spanish team were
>down a set and a break before reeling off 5 straight games to win the
>second set.

It sounds like both Novotna and Korda choked big time, otherwise, I just
couldn't imagine you can get 5 straight games in double against a decent
double team of Korda and Novotna(at least on paper they are a good team).
Any detail about the story?

>...Chris

Quan.
From: mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Tennis magazine (WAS: Pro-tennis Not Well-Served in the U.S.)
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:05:56 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Cal Poly SLO

In article <1993Jan5.185533.17317@walter.bellcore.com> donna@attic.bae.bellcore.com (Donna Feliciano) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.140626.69007@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman) writes:
>|> ...stuff deleted
>|> 
>|> I also wonder why the (Tennis) magazine is 2 months
>|> behind the rest of the world?
>
>
>My problem is exactly this!  Much of the magazine is so outdated
>especially if you read rec.sport.tennis :-) ) that it isn't even 
>interesting anymore.  Occasionally they have good interviews.  I hate
>to say it, but the best part is probably the gossip at the beginning!

Guess what?  Even the gossip stuff is recycled material
often gleaned from other publications.
That's why the "news" reported there is no news either.
Check it: the items are typically at least a month old.
For example, in the latest (Jan) issue, there is an item about
how rain-delayed finals are good to Edberg, who has won all four
that he has been in.
This observation was (to my knowledge) first made by
Robin Finn in the New York Times BEFORE the U.S. Open.

M. Liu
From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Pro-tennis Not Well-Served in the U.S.
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:06:26 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


>The small number of magazines bothers me less than the poor quality.
>After all, who would have thought that the Architecture Digest would
>find a large following?  It is the quality that's important, and
>the market is ripe for it.  IMHO we need well-written articles
>describing individual tournaments, accompanied by good photos.
>It would also be interesting if individual player's play is
>analyzed by someone like Tony Trabert.  This can be done along
>with a profile on the player, which may include an interview.
>The how-to articles are interesting, but there is so much repetition,
>plus there are now many good books available on tennis techniques.
>I think what I want is an international magazine featuring articles
>from different countries, wherever the actions maybe.  Now, is
>that too much to ask for?
>
>M. Liu
>
I like your thoughts.  Yes, I would like to see Tennis do less techie stuff
and more on the tournaments and players.  [How would SI readers react if every
issue had more on resorts and how-to's than feature articles?]  Granted, you
can put a magazine together a lot quicker.  Just pull out last year's racquet
article, add some pictures, changes some words, and you have the next issue.

I don't just want to see tournament results, I want to read on how the players
did, who was in the tournament, what tournaments are coming up, who's playing,
what's the surface, what as the player's reaction to win/lose.

I think what's lacking is good tennis writers.  Hey, they can hire me.

I also wonder why the magazine is 2 months behind the rest of the world?
-- 

------------------------
|   Gail A. Fullman    |
|   Manager - ADMO     |
|   Ext. 83113         |
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From: mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Tennis Broadcast in Europe (Was: News Jan 5)
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:14:31 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Cal Poly SLO

In article <9301081515.AA04338@sumatra.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
roberto@dcs.gla.ac.uk (roberto), in response to my posting, writes:
>
>Here in the UK (and in Europe in general) we can get a LOT of tennis in the 
>TV in the sports satellite channels. 
>
>In particular, Eurosport broadcasts a really huge number of tournaments, 
>most of the time LIVE, and with replays of the best matches. 
>Also, the transmissions begin in the first day.
>
>And what is better, it is FREE! (no subscriptions needed, only a receiver/dish). 
I knew we were deprived, but I didn't realize just how badly.  It all
comes down to the fact that tennis broadcast in the U.S. does not
get enough people to watch, that is, it gets poor ratings.  What about
in U.K.?  Apparently these telecasts must have an audience or they
wouldn't be shown so extensively.  Or perhaps the European countries
are less obsessed about ratings than in this country?

Other than the Grand Slam events, we mostly get taped broadcast --
often weeks old -- and on subscribed channels yet.

M. Liu
From: cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Tournament Final Results, Jan 10
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:07:53 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Tournament Final Results:

  + Doha
    ----
    Becker(3) d. Ivanisevic(2)     7-6 4-6 7-5
 
    No details to offer... hopefully those who saw the match
    from Europe can fill us in.


  + Adelaide
    --------
    Kulti d. Bergstrom             3-6 7-5 6-4


  + Brisbane
    --------
    Martinez(1) d. M. Maleeva(2)   6-3 6-4

    Match report: Magdalena Maleeva committed 35 unforced errors
    in this match and had trouble handling Martinez's topspin
    forehand.  At one stage she lost 16 points in a row.  Maleeva
    was down 0-3 in the 2nd set, battled back to on-serve at 3-4
    serving, then 3 consecutive service breaks handed Martinez the
    match.  Maleeva lost match point #3 with a forehand volley
    error.

    Maleeva will still move up to #17 in the rankings, and Martinez
    moves ahead of Capriati to #7.

    Martinez/Neiland(1) d. McCarthy/Po    6-2 6-2


  + Wellington
    ----------
    Byron Black d. Ho(4)


..Chris

-- 
Christopher Smith                        csmith@cc.gatech.edu
College of Computing, Georgia Tech       404/853-0937
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Hopman Cup final, partial results (SPOILERS)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:39:29 GMT

Hopman Cup final in Perth, Australia (in progress):

Spain vs. Germany

  Women's singles: Graf d. Sanchez-Vicario,  6-4, 6-2

  Men's singles: Stich leads E. Sanchez, 7-5, 2-1 (in progress)

Since Steffi beat Arantxa without too much trouble, apparently,
her ankle injury suffered yesterday wasn't serious.

I am sure that Chris Smith will fill us in with the final result.

Again, in the US, ESPN will have a tape delayed coverage of the
Hopman Cup on Sunday afternoon, January 10. It will begin at
3:30pm EST and last for 1.5 hours only :-(, but I guess that is
better than nothing.
-- 
-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135
     AT&T, 480 Red Hill Road, Middletown, NJ,  07748  USA
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 12:36:59 EST
From: ABHAY <IO10928@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Agassi pulled out of the Australian Open
 <1993Jan12.041024.19765@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> <1iu00pINN1d4@golem.wcc.govt.nz>
 <1993Jan12.170527.794@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>

In article <1993Jan12.170527.794@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>,
mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu) says:
>
>In response to my posting below:
>>>I trust that everybody has heard that Andre Agassi is not going to
>>>be in the Australian Open: he has bronchitis.
>this was written:
>>
>>Bummer!
>>It's not going to be worth watching now!
>>
>>John. (One of Agassi's REAL fans)
>>
>This reaction, unfortunately, is symptomatic of what's wrong with
>the state of pro-tennis  in this country.
>I argue once more that the health of pro-tennis as a viable sport
>in this country depends on cultivating fans who appreciate the
>competition and play quality of the tournaments other than those
>fans who will watch one particular favorite player only.
>
Exactly my thoughts. The viewers and the media out here are interested
in just couple of players like Agassi McEnroe, Capriati.(not even sampras
,Courieretc.) I guess what they like is what comes with tennis and not
tennis itself, may be that is why they don't like Edberg who plays tennis
,tennis and nothing but the tennis.

Abhay
>M. Liu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Re: International Tennis Periodicals
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:36:51 GMT

In article <79180@hydra.gatech.EDU> cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Smith) writes:
>
>All this talk about the quality of (print) tennis coverage in
>the USA is fascinating, but I am curious as to how European and
>Australian tennis coverage stacks up, particularly print
>coverage.
>
>Would anyone care to comment on or make recommendations on
>non-USA tennis periodicals or tennis news magazines and their
>perceived quality, either general or specific?  (BTW, not
>necessarily English-language periodicals).

The British has "Tennis World" (different from the now defunct World
Tennis in the US) and several other tennis magazines. Some friends
of mine buy them regularly here in the US, but I have never seen one
myself. However, I have seen a few copies of the German "Tennis Magazin"
and "Tennis Revue" (Tennis Review). They are in many ways similar to
the American "Tennis" magazine, having coverage on tournaments, technique,
equipment and attire, and tennis resorts, etc. My *guess* is that most
tennis magazines just need to cover all these areas to get a large
enough reader base and advertisers. It is very difficult to survive
as a pro-tennis-only type magazine, with Tennis Week being an exception.
Obviously the German magazines' emphasis is on the German players, but
they do have good articles about Sampras, Sabatini etc. in the issues
I saw. One major difference is that their articles on tournaments are
quite timely. For example, they have descriptions and pictures from
tournaments within a couple of weeks before publication. That is much
better than the American Tennis, although still not nearly as up to date
as rec.sport.tennis. :-)
-- 
-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135
     AT&T, 480 Red Hill Road, Middletown, NJ,  07748  USA
From: chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Tennis Broadcast in Europe
Date: 9 Jan 93 13:20:40 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minsk.docs.uu.se

In article <1993Jan08.205003.14485@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>, mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu) writes:
> In article <1993Jan8.190023.16132@cc.gatech.edu> csmith@cc.gatech.edu (Christopher Smith) writes:
> >or bigger an audience than the Super Bowl in the USA!  That is the
> >difference between the popularity of tennis in the USA and the
> >popularity of tennis in Europe.
> >
> But everything is relative.  Perhaps they are not as inundated with
> as many major sports?  I mean, here we have football and  basketball,
> both professional and college, and then baseball, hockey, golf, and tennis.  
> The market is glutted, with every sport trying to expand at the 
> expense of others.

Oh, but we have lots of other sports here, which are definitely in the same
league as tennis.  Football of course, probably the most popular sport in
all countries.  In England they have rugby and cricket.  In Sweden and
Finland ice hockey.  In Spain basketball.  Cycling in France, Italy and
Spain.  And dozens of other sports I can't think of right now.  Skiing of
course is another one which seems to be much more popular here than in the
US.

- chris@minsk.docs.uu.se
From: smuench@i61s4.ira.uka.de (Stefan Muench)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: News, Jan 2
Date: 4 Jan 1993 08:31:49 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Institute for Real-time Computer Systems and Robotics (IPR), Germany
Distribution: world
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In article <78948@hydra.gatech.EDU>, cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Smith) writes:



|>   + Switzerland d. Japan  2-1
|> 
|>     Date d. Maleeva-Fragniere         6-3 6-2
|>     Mezzadri d. ??                    3-6 7-5 6-2
|>     M.-F./Mezzadri d. Date/??         6-2 5-7 6-2
|> 
|> 
|> Notes: The "??" is the Japanese men's representative... I'd rather not
|> botch his name, so somebody with the official roster might be kind
|> enough to provide the detail.  He is ranked in the 400's.
|> 

His name is Yamamoto. That's all I know about this guy, sorry.

 
|> ..Chris


-- 
Stefan
From: mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Agassi pulled out of the Australian Open
Date: 12 Jan 93 04:10:24 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Cal Poly SLO

I trust that everybody has heard that Andre Agassi is not going to
be in the Australian Open: he has bronchitis.

The U.S. media wasted no time to let us us hear about that.  

M. Liu
From: cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Doha QF Update
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:01:53 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


The top 4 seeds make it to the semifinals at Doha:

  Edberg(1) d. Pozzi        6-0 6-0     
  Ivanisevic(2) d. Kuhnen   6-2 7-6
  Becker(3) d. J. Sanchez   6-4 6-3
  Cherkasov(4) d. Gorriz    6-1 7-5

Edberg scores his first shutout in 5 years.

Semis matchups:  Edberg vs. Becker
                 Ivanisevic vs. Cherkasov

..Chris

-- 
Christopher Smith                        csmith@cc.gatech.edu
College of Computing, Georgia Tech       404/853-0937
From: mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: News, Jan 6
Keywords: News, Results
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:18:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: rat.1993Jan06.161817.26921
Organization: Computer Science Department, Cal Poly SLO

In article <79214@hydra.gatech.EDU> cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Smith) writes:
>
>HEADLINES:
>
>(other headlines omitted)
>  + Edberg and Becker advance to 2nd round at Doha.
Yes, but one needed to go to a tie-breaker in the 2nd set, and the other
needed 3 set.  I guess they are rusty or they have not acclimatized.

>  + Rosset pulls out of Australian Open.
Why so soon?  He must be seriously ill.  Too bad.

>  + Although the Qatar Open is the first of its kind in the region, there
>    is another even bigger money tournament that will be held I believe
>    in the United Arab Emirates (men's event) following the Australian
>    Open.
>
By the way, the Qatar Open is merely a measly $450,000 affair.  But
then you never know about the guarantee money paid to the big names.
And thanks to all those who responded to my ignorant plea about the
whereabout of Qatar.
From: cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: News, Jan 7
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:57:07 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Stich went on to win his singles match in the third set and so 
Germany advances to the finals of the Hopman Cup to play Spain.

Steffi Graf injured her right ankle in the mixed doubles match
(played best-of-1-set), but the injury is described as not
serious.  I don't have any more details or the exact scores.

..Chris

-- 
Christopher Smith                        csmith@cc.gatech.edu
College of Computing, Georgia Tech       404/853-0937
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
From: ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIAM)
Subject: Re: News, Jan 5
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:11:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan05.160103.4683@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> mliu@garden.csc.calpoly.edu (Mei-Ling L. Liu) writes:
>In article <79121@hydra.gatech.EDU> cs30@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Smith) writes:
>>Tournament Results (all 1st round, Monday)
>>
>>  + Doha, Qatar
>>    -----------
>>    Ivanisevic(2) d. Henrick Jan-Davids  6-2 6-4
>>    Cherkasov(4) d. Schaller (Austria)   4-6 6-4 6-4
>>    Siemerink d. Antonisch               2-6 7-6 6-0
>>    Merinov (Russia) d. Champion         6-4 7-5
>>    Olhovskiy d. Pistolesi               6-3 6-2
>>    Simian d. Damm                       6-4 1-6 6-2
>>
>>    Edberg(1) and Becker(3) are also in this tournament and will
>>    play their first round matches today or tomorrow.
>>
>>-- 
>>Christopher Smith                        csmith@cc.gatech.edu
>>College of Computing, Georgia Tech       404/853-0937
>
>Thanks, Chris, for informing us.  Just curious: where is Qatar?  I
>would guess that it's near Australia?  And do you know if the tournament
>is indoor or outdoor?
>
>M. Liu

Absolutely not.  Qatar is in the middle east.  It is one of the oil producing
places ruled by an Amir.

Siva