HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: njr@texhrc.uucp (Nick J. Rees)
Subject: Re: Places that buy used ("previously owned") books
Organization: Texaco EPTD
Distribution: houston
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:28:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.034650.1722@nntpserver.chevron.com> hdnea@usho92.hou281.chevron.com (David Neal) writes:
>
>Personally, I consider 1/2P to be a recycling center. I get
>paid for my efforts, the books are reused, and no landfill
>wasted. 
>
>
>
>-- 
>David Neal -- hdnea@hou281.chevron.com 
>Conserve water, California's deserts need more cotton farms.
>Barbie says, Take quaaludes in gin and go to a disco right away!
> But Ken says, WOO-WOO!!  No credit at ``Mr. Liquor''!!

I remember hearing something about a 'books for Russia' drive
some time after the coup was defeated. Apparently there is
a big demand for books over there. Since I am only going to get
a few pennies for my books at local stores here, I would prefer
to send them somewhere where they might be appreciated.

Does anybody have any information about this program? Is there
somewhere in Houston where I could drop off books that I no
longer need?



-- 
 ===============================Nick Rees===============================
 Voice: (713) 954-6298   Email: reesnj@texaco.com
  mail: Texaco, Inc., 3901 Briarpark, Houston, TX 77042
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From: judy@lobster.hou.tx.us (Judy Scheltema)
Subject: Re: News Feed
Organization: Houston, Texas
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:51:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.170358.18586@sun44.synercom.hounix.org> medley@sun44.synercom.hounix.org (Bert Medley) writes:
>But where do you get your feed, hmmmmm?  With the "demise" of xcluud, the only
>sites that will offer a new full feed are the pay sites, nuchat and neosoft.
>New partial feeds may be available from other sites but the trend for the full
>feed providers are towards pay systems.

Nope, not true. Other sites getting a full feed are uhura1 and mwk who will
pass along news as long as they have available modem time. Lobster gets a
full feed, but currently has little available modem time.


-- 
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P. O. Box 270249	      |                          uhnix1!lobster!judy
Houston, Texas 77277-0249     |
From: JAMES.TIMMER@f3449.n106.z1.fidonet.org (JAMES TIMMER)
Newsgroups: houston.general
Subject: Re: Help Preserve Civil Rights in Colorado
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 19:58:54 -0600

 -=> Quoting Gina Cherry to (xpost: 2) All <=-

 GC> 2. Contact Governor Roy Romer to express your outrage.
 GC> 
 GC> Governor Roy Romer
 GC> 136 State Capitol Building
 GC> Denver, CO 80203
 GC> (303) 866-2471
 GC> 
     Tell him that you support his views and not the Queers and Lesbians

 GC> 5. The plan of action in response to the new amendment is to
 GC> file a lawsuit.  To be added to the list of people on the adjoining
 GC> amicus brief call the City of Boulder at (303) 441-3090 (you need
 GC> not be a Colorado resident).
 GC>
     If we give in to these SICK people, they will probably want to run
     for President next...

 GC> 6. Contact your Senators and Congressional representatives to tell
 GC> them that you want them to support the national gay rights bill,
 GC> which Clinton promised to sign.

     Tell them NOT to support the National Gay Rights Bill, and say a
     prayer that Clinton will not sign it....

 GC> 7. SPREAD THE WORD!  Forward this message anywhere you can think of.

     Yes, Spread the Word, we don't want Queers and Lesbians


... Catch the Blue Wave!
Newsgroups: houston.general
From: paul@nuchat.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher)
Subject: Re: News Feed
Organization: South Coast Computing Services, Inc.
Distribution: houston
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:41:36 GMT

In article <BxM9zM.zy@rice.edu> sbyrnes@rice.edu (Steven Byrnes) writes:
>Well, if y'all are serious about wanting to discuss it, then certainly you
>should discuss it.  Whether it's at the lunch bunch, at the same place

There's a good idea.  Discuss it at the lunch bunch.  I'll be there to listen
since I no longer run news.  I'll read news (here on nuchat) but won't run it
anymore.

All in favor of a lunch bunch net thing raise you hand.

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We will love only what we understand; And we will |  Houston, Texas USA
understand only what we are taught." Baba Dioum   |  paul@nuchat.sccsi.com
Newsgroups: houston.general
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: News Feed
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Distribution: houston
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:30:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.060812.3486@limbic.ssdl.com> gil@limbic.ssdl.com (Gil Kloepfer Jr.) writes:
>In article <X10LPQL@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>>The two big problems with Usenet today are the Internet and the Domain Name
>>System.

>Usenet != UUCPnet
>(news)    (transport mechanism)

UUCPnet != Mail

Mail and Usenet transmission run over the same set of protocols, have the
same demographics, and the same problems. I don't see you can resolve the
one without the other.

>1.  There is too much news.  We need to reduce the quantity.

No, we don't. We need to balance the flow better. We need to keep people
from saying "I've got a 760M disk, so I can carry everything". You should
only feed the groups you and sites you're feeding want. Duplicating feeds
is useful, up to a point, but the main problem is balance.

>2.  If we eliminate newsgroups, they will end up becoming mailing lists

We don't eliminate groups, unless there's nobody who wants them. This
of course leads to the problem of how you know what people want. Brad's
dynafeed mechanism would work well here.

>3.  If we distribute different newsgroups among different sites, everyone
>    will want the groups they don't get.

So give everyone all the groups they want. If they want something different,
then change what you're feeding them. If that's done fast enough you won't
get people getting everything "just in case".

>5.  If we had only certain sites acting as archive sites and keeping
>    *.sources.* there, it would be an administrative headache, and
>    everyone would clog the mail system requesting source code.

Within the local area that shouldn't be a problem... just call the archive
site directly and uucp the files you want.

>6.  No matter how much you emphasize responsiblity, there will still be
>    a site on the net that is admin'd by a user who can not and will not
>    learn how to properly deal with mail/news/etc, and will also be the
>    person who will post a map that has all their connections in the
>    maps as LOCAL, because, of course, it's a LOCAL call.

Publish a new map that lists them as dead.

>7.  We need dynamic rerouting of mail.

Keep the maps up to date.

>8.  We need a reliable mail gateway to the Internet that isn't already
>    clogged with news feeds

There's quite a few of them. What we need is some reliable second-level
mail distributors. I'm trying to be one... subject to getting my system
back up to the level needed.
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From: Thomas.Kennedy@p360.f2770.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Thomas Kennedy)
Newsgroups: houston.general
Subject: Bulletin Board Systems
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 19:13:41 -0600

         I recommend TAG...BUT, a new bbs program will soon be out with better
features that I know of...It's supposed to be called ISBBS...Stands for
something...BUT, anyways...It's going to be a good program once they get through
the bugs...In a few months it should be out and then it will run Houston
wide...Oh well...
From: Thomas.Kennedy@p360.f2770.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Thomas Kennedy)
Newsgroups: houston.general
Subject: 256-2770.
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1992 16:54:26 -0600

         I'm just posting to see if anyonme out there is a sysop.  I'm having a
bad time with my bbs right now and would anyone who could call it, call it? 
It's most likely LD, but if you can TRY.  It's worth it.  256-2770.  Thanks.

Newsgroups: houston.general
From: gil@limbic.ssdl.com (Gil Kloepfer Jr.)
Subject: Re: News Feed
Organization: Southwest Systems Development Labs, Houston, TX
Distribution: houston
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:21:35 GMT

About a "Net Council", Bert Medley writes:
>Unfortunately, this is a full time proposition.

To say the least.  It also doesn't have a goal it wishes to achieve.  Do
we really want to continue to receive 25 (compressed) meg of news a day,
or do we want to make that amount reasonable?

>For example, houston could be served by 3 or 4 domain parks each
>domain park gets a primary feed from nuchat, neosoft, or some other site.

These sites are pay sites.  I see no reason to pay for a cooperative
network.  They also do not solve the problem of the quantity of news.
They also all get their news from one major site.  This is a good
idea in theory, but is full of holes.

>A USENET Site Council/Group would be nice [...]  It could be
>started underneath HOUNIX and then, perhaps, become autonomous.  Comments?

I would like to emphasize again that I do NOT recommend that we start this
council under HOUNIX.  HOUNIX does NOT have sufficient knowledge of
this problem, and it is not strictly related to UNIX.

If a council were to form, I would like to see it formed on its own.  Bert's
comment about site admins getting bent out of shape about being told
what to do is a real concern which shouldn't be downplayed.   I think that
before we get together as a group and are close enough to "reach out and
hit someone", we should try to first consider what our goal of such a
group should be.  I'm not up for getting into a room and bickering together.
I would rather have a direct goal in mind, and get together for the
purpose of reaching that goal.

No, I don't have an answer for the goal yet...
-- 
! Gil Kloepfer, Jr.
! gil@limbic.ssdl.com / ...!ames!limbic!gil
From: sdean@thesis1.med.uth.tmc.edu (shervin c dean)
Newsgroups: houston.general
Subject: Doesn't anyone want my Mac Plus??
Date: 10 Nov 1992 02:38:09 GMT
Distribution: houston
Organization: University of Texas Medical School at Houston
Originator: sdean@thesis1.med.uth.tmc.edu



For sale:

	Macintosh Plus 1MB
	DataDesk Extended Keyboard
	Hayes-compatible 1200 baud modem
	Targus Deluxe carrying case
	


		Asking: $300 (or best offer)

		(Dec 92 issue of Macworld lists used Mac Plus "blue book"
		value at $300. Datadesk keyboard retails for $150. I'm
		throwing it and the other stuff in FREE!)

If interested, please call (713) 797-9173 and please leave a message if I'm
not home or respond via e-mail.

	 					Shervin
_____________________________________________________________________________
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_____________________________________________________________________________
From: gil@limbic.ssdl.com (Gil Kloepfer Jr.)
Newsgroups: houston.general
Subject: Re: News Feed
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:59:23 GMT
Distribution: houston
Organization: Southwest Systems Development Labs, Houston, TX

I don't know how to begin following-up individually to the range of
comments that have been posted in the past 24 hours, so I won't.  Here's
my own comments in brief:

1.  Peter almost entirely disagrees with me on every point I've made.  I
likewise do with him.  I know Peter has experience with handling
news/mail, but what I'm concluding from my own experience does not
coincide with his.  I won't attempt to waste his, mine, or anyone
else's time in an incredibly heated debate over these issues.  I
personally don't like arguing (especially in my "leisure" time).

2.  I received a personal e-mail message asking if I were trying to
take a stab at Fidonet.  I wasn't.  Just for the record.  I'm just
trying to get answers to the current problem.

3.  Paul - I love your observations about HOUNIX -- they're right on
the money ;)  (no pun intended :)

4.  Although I think (what do my opinions matter anyhow?) the lunch bunch
serves a very useful social purpose, I do not think it is the right
place to discuss this issue.  Unfortunately, I don't see where it would
be useful to discuss it at all right now.


Until about two weeks ago, I thought I was the only one who thought that
there was too much netnews.  I now know I am not.  I received phone calls
and letters from people who are net.veterans who are jumping ship for
the very reason I've been talking about.  The only reason I have not
is because my feed is not very large, I gain some pleasure from
a few of the newsgroups (not this one ... this one is pretty much strictly
business), and because the few hours of modem traffic a day is the least
I can do to help out a few kind folks on the net.  Otherwise, my general
opinion is that this kind of endless discussion is the dominant kind on
the net, and it's getting old.  Take a look at the other thread(s) in
houston.general.  Kind of makes you want to just subscribe to all the
groups on the net, doesn't it?  Sorry folks - I have better things to
waste my time and money on than to read dialogues of people flaming
each other.

In all this, I don't think I've ever bothered to thank Greg & Judy for
keeping my "little" news feed flowing, and Alan & Randy for the mail
feed and MX.  Thanks.  This is something we should all do a little
more often.
-- 
! Gil Kloepfer, Jr.
! gil@limbic.ssdl.com / ...!ames!limbic!gil
From: John.Larmie@f3449.n106.z1.fidonet.org (John Larmie)
Newsgroups: houston.general
Subject: Bulletin Board Systems
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 20:09:48 -0600

Hey all,

    Can anyone tell me in their own words which BBS's they like the best, that
is the software being used.  I am setting a board that will be public for a
while and then I plan to go private.  Thanx.

Newsgroups: houston.general
From: sbyrnes@rice.edu (Steven Byrnes)
Subject: Re: News Feed (also, re: internet hogs)
Reply-To: sbyrnes@rice.edu (Steven Byrnes)
Organization: Locutus
Distribution: houston
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:21:24 GMT

On Wed, 11 Nov 92 00:52:46 GMT, James Hartman, Sysop said:

> I assume, since there are six or seven of us working off of this feed
> (much thanks and good vibes moving towards Michael Bundy, BTW, thanks
> thanks) that there are probably other small groups of people running
> around loose in the feed biz, both large and small sites.  Why not get
> all these local people together for a regular meeting?  I'll throw in my
> support.

How about if we integrate it with the semi-regular Lunch Bunch thang?
(Just looking for ways to boost attendance.  :)

Speaking of which, does a meeting on Saturday, the 21st at the same place
(Two Pesos) and time (noonish) sound reasonable?

Steven
Newsgroups: houston.general
From: gamble@owlnet.rice.edu (Ben Gamble)
Subject: Re: Neither here nor there, but...
Organization: Tennessee Ernie Port Authority
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:01:20 GMT

In article <mumble> system@korova.uucp (razorback) writes:
|>     The meek shall inherit the Earth;  the rest of us will go to the
|>     stars.
|
|id say heinlien, but id probably be wrong. so id better say it was 
|probably asimov too.

Well, as long as we're engaging in irresponsible speculation, I'll
toss in Clarke.

-- 
Ben Gamble                              B0 f- t+ w- g+ k- s- m- e r-v p
gamble@owlnet.rice.edu 
       Oh ye who go about saying unto each other:  "Hello sailor":
       Dost thou know the magnitude of thy sin before the gods?
From: Wonko.The.Sane@p360.f9178.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Wonko The Sane)
Newsgroups: houston.general
Subject: News Feed
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 07:23:25 -0600

Here in Houston, we have several usenet \fidonet gates, which change usenet
newsgroups into fido compatible echomail (how I am reaching you now) for more
info, write to Howard Gerber (1:106/88, Howard.gerber@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org)
  Jason Hemmenway
From: elrond@freeside.com (SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: sn.chat,houston.general
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton Statue Comitee
Keywords: Bill Clinton Statue politics funny
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:22:08 GMT
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

In <5JRsTB9w165w@korova.freeside.com> system@korova.freeside.com (razorback) writes:
>heheheh! this is going in ONE of the newsletters...dunno 
>which...whichever gets put out first...

>who wrote it?

I got a xerox(tm) of a handwritten copy from my manager, who got it from
her nephew, who got it from his girlfriend, and so on...

-- 
+-------------------------+---------------------+-------------------------+
| God is Real...          | elrond@freeside.com | Pull up a dick and have |
| Unless declared integer |  Stephen L. Palmer  | a seat.         (Chong) |
+-------------------------+---------------------+-------------------------+
From: phaedrus@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (James Hartman, Sysop)
Newsgroups: houston.general
Subject: Re: News Feed (also, re: internet hogs)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 00:52:46 GMT
Distribution: houston
Organization: Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX

peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:

> 		Everyone wants to be "close" to the Internet. [...]

I see this a lot too.  However, being close to the net means you have more
people relying on you and asking you for feeds.  Being further out, you aren't
as big of a target.  Hee hee.

> 		If you want reliable mail these days, you have to find
> 	someone to be your MX and join the DNS. [...]

I have to disagree here.  Once I (finally) got my system in the maps, I
received mail from all over the planet, both on the Internet and from UUCP
systems.  No sweat.  The long, hard part is waiting for those maps to come
out...

> It'd also help if people would send in up-to-date map entries. For local
> mail, the Usenet Maps are way more efficient than the DNS.

Amen.  And for long-distance mail, too...

> I'm lousy at organizing, but I think we need a Houston Usenet Sites
> group/council/whatever, with regular meetings. This could be a spinoff
> from Hounix, or a HACS type organization. Any volunteers to run it?

Well, there's a small group who have banded together to get a feed together
to replace the one lost from xcluud - which they have done.  Thanks, by the
way, to all who offered.

I assume, since there are six or seven of us working off of this feed
(much thanks and good vibes moving towards Michael Bundy, BTW, thanks thanks)
that there are probably other small groups of people running around loose
in the feed biz, both large and small sites.  Why not get all these local
people together for a regular meeting?  I'll throw in my support.

--
phaedrus@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (James Hartman, Sysop)
Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX, (713) 943-2728
1200/2400/9600/14400 v.32bis/v.42bis
Newsgroups: houston.general
From: sbyrnes@rice.edu (Steven Byrnes)
Subject: Re: News Feed
Reply-To: sbyrnes@rice.edu (Steven Byrnes)
Organization: Locutus
	<1992Nov11.170002.18453@sun44.synercom.hounix.org>
	<1992Nov12.045923.10759@limbic.ssdl.com>
Distribution: houston
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:57:12 GMT

On Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:59:23 GMT, Gil Kloepfer Jr. said:

> 4.  Although I think (what do my opinions matter anyhow?) the lunch bunch
> serves a very useful social purpose, I do not think it is the right place
> to discuss this issue.  Unfortunately, I don't see where it would be
> useful to discuss it at all right now.

Well, if y'all are serious about wanting to discuss it, then certainly you
should discuss it.  Whether it's at the lunch bunch, at the same place
but a different time, or some place completely different at least people
will be talking about it.  And a face-to-face meeting will allow lower
latency communications to occur.  :)

Perhaps some place with a whiteboard might be useful.  :-)

Steven
Newsgroups: houston.general
From: vek@spacsun.rice.edu (Vincent E. Kargatis)
Subject: Re: Help Preserve Civil Rights in Colorado
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: houston
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:09:06 GMT

gamble@owlnet.rice.edu (Ben Gamble) writes:
> | GC> 2. Contact Governor Roy Romer to express your outrage.
> |
> |     Tell him that you support his views and not the Queers and Lesbians
> 
> Unless, of course, you happen to possess a sound mind free from
> irrational hatred, in which case you will definitely not agree with
> the Governor.

Aargh. Don't drag the governor of Colorado into this. The amendment passed by
popular referendum, and had nothing to do with the state's elected leadership.
In fact, the governor opposed the amendment.

Goes to show how bad an idea popular referendum vote is for major issues.
-- 
| Vincent Kargatis		     |	Dept. of Space Physics & Astronomy |
| vek@spacsun.rice.edu		     |	Rice University, Houston, TX       |
| "It will have to be transmogrified many times before it can present its  |
|  credentials to the Valhalla of music."  -    _The Etude_ on jazz, 1924  |
Newsgroups: houston.general
From: paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher)
Subject: Re: News Feed
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Distribution: houston
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:50:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.152612.7996@sun44.synercom.hounix.org> medley@sun44.synercom.hounix.org (Bert Medley) writes:
>A USENET Site Council/Group would be nice but very difficult to organize.  Some
>sysops may take it personally when told how to run their sites.  It could be
>started underneath HOUNIX and then, perhaps, become autonomous.  Comments?

Underneath Hounix?  Before the fifteen dollar dinner and after the demo, right?

<snicker>


-- 
"In the end, We will conserve only what we love;  |  Thomas Paul Hutmacher
We will love only what we understand; And we will |  Houston, Texas USA
understand only what we are taught." Baba Dioum   |  paul@nuchat.sccsi.com
Newsgroups: houston.general
From: medley@sun44.synercom.hounix.org (Bert Medley)
Subject: Re: News Feed
Organization: Synercom Technology, Inc., Houston, TX
Distribution: houston
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:26:12 GMT

In article <X10LPQL@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>In article <1992Nov07.161442.16666@limbic.ssdl.com> gil@limbic.ssdl.com (Gil Kloepfer Jr.) writes:
>>As I step down from the proverbial soapbox, I hope that rather than anger
>>everyone that I have opened some eyes as to what's happening.  Something
>>needs to be done.  Any suggestions?
>
>The two big problems with Usenet today are the Internet and the Domain Name
>System.
>
>What, you say? The two biggest improvements in connectivity are the two
>biggest problems? Sure. Let's go into why:
>
>	Internet:
>
>	[Everyone wants a fast connection .. blm]
>
>	Domain Name System:
>
>	[Including mail connections .. blm]
>
>It'd also help if people would send in up-to-date map entries. For local
>mail, the Usenet Maps are way more efficient than the DNS.
>
>I'm lousy at organizing, but I think we need a Houston Usenet Sites
>group/council/whatever, with regular meetings. This could be a spinoff
>from Hounix, or a HACS type organization. Any volunteers to run it?
>

Unfortunately, this is a full time proposition.  The numbers Gil posted were
rather interesting and important to the process from which the need for a 
domain park or several domain parks can be derived.  For example, houston 
could be served by 3 or 4 domain parks each domain park gets a primary feed
from nuchat, neosoft, or some other site.  Membership would be a reasonable
amount.  These parks could then provide net access to a number of people and
e-mail/limited feeds to interested users.  This would place most users 2-3
hops away from the Internet, worst case.  If they require a fast connection 
for e-mail, then the leaf sites can make their own arrangements.  The domain
parks can feed each other for redundancy.

A USENET Site Council/Group would be nice but very difficult to organize.  Some
sysops may take it personally when told how to run their sites.  It could be
started underneath HOUNIX and then, perhaps, become autonomous.  Comments?

-- 
Bert Medley				medley@synercom.hounix.org 	[work]
					bert@medley.ssdl.com		[home]