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From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (cybernaut)
Subject: Re: CP Music
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Keywords: Music Rap
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 03:44:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.223942.29987@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Todd J Sines) writes: 
|okay. i am a 19 year old sophomore at ohio state university. i am going into 
|fine arts. i have a subscription to macworld and mondo 2000. i am in a techno 
|band called body release that does UK breakbeat hardcore techno. i work for th
|computer labs as a lab monitor at the academic computing services 25 hours a 
|week. i am on a computer close to 40 hours a week. i have a GIGI graphics 
|terminal at home. i design my own fonts. i do graphic design, 3d simulation, 
|sound synthesis, and image manipulation on the mac. i ride a trek 820 mt bike.
|i have circle wire framed glasses. i am from a caucasian decent (this seems to
|be an article of discussion) yet i am non-racist, vegetarian, straight edge an
|i listen to only techno, dead can cance, cocteau twins, hafler trio, slowdive 
|and coil.							     
|
|what does this make me?

You.  Don't let people tell you you're not - you're you.

|i don't call myself anything, i am just happy the way i am.

In the immortal words of Steve Martin:

"I don't care even if you are me....I'm the meist me there ever was"

(but you listen to Slowdive, techno, DcD, and Cocteau Twins, so that
puts you in the "I have the exact same musical tastes as Andy Hawks so
I must be cool" category :) :)

BTW - if you have some spare time on your hands with your techno -
mix Rachel from Slowdive's vocals with your standard 140bpm beat, a
droppin bass (like from the Beastie Boys' So Whatcha Want), and some
moody synth riffs (ie: Moby, Orbital)..I think it'd kick...

|sines
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From: thx1138@angus.mi.org (Scott Abfalter)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Cyberpunk, Enders Game, and Cajun Cooking
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:36:12 GMT
Reply-To: thx1138@angus.mi.org
Organization: North Star BBS


Just because something is spicy does not make it 'cajun' (as most 
advadvertisers would like you to believe). 

Just so, because Ender's Game has an example of teleoperation
in it does _not_ make it cyberpunk.  It takes a bit more than that...


THX

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From: morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (Purple Haze...)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: U2
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 16:07:21 EDT
Organization: Whoever you vote for, the government still gets elected.

lemaire@redx.washington.edu (Edward M. O'Brien) writes:

>Led Zeppelin may have been the first cyber-band


Please explain... I'm curious.



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From: knappenp@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Trent)
Subject: Re: Ender's Game
Organization: Followers of the Jigging Cat
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 01:31:13 GMT

In article <dXb-_S=@engin.umich.edu> neufeld@math.lsa.umich.edu (Russell Neufeld ) writes:
>
>Ender's Game is a fantastic book, but in *no* way is it cyberpunk.  Neither
>is anything Heinlein ever wrote for that matter.  Anyone who says these
>books are doesn't have a clue as to what cyberpunk is.  
>
>
I agree.  :)  IMHPO, great book with no cyberpunk.  The closest thing is
a computer which mysteriously invents an extension of a game, based on a
kid's thoughts.  (Later, we discover that it was created by Jane, a
sort-of Artificial Intelligence which becomes Ender's friend sometime
between the events of Ender's Game and the sequel, Speaker For the Dead.
And she is passed on in Xenocide...)

>Russell Neufeld


Have a nice day...

-PaulK-

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From: cmarsigl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Klif Marsiglio)
Subject: U2
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:58:16 GMT

I don't think I have heard this band mentioned here, but they are IMHO most
visable and well known cyberpunk band I have ever seen...

There music has nothing to do with cyberpunk other than being antimainstream
sounding, but just look at Zoo TV.  Its a cyberpunk dream bastardizing todays
technology just for the sake of doing it, and doing it big.

If this is not the forefront of Cyberpunk, I don't know what is.  Bands like
F242, NitzerEbb, and all those other Industral bands (of which I have just bout
ever cd I can think of, so dis ain't a flame) will probably never influence
cpunk and push it further into mainsteam therefore not push the limits of
the underground.

Jus wondering if anyone cares to agree with me (or if not I really don't care)

Klif M.
From: bliss32@terapin.com (Geoff Schmidt)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Jacking In
Date: 22 Aug 92 18:08:19 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <q8cuPB1w165w@cyberden.uucp>, moon!cyberden!dev@well.sf.ca.us
writes:
>With all this talk of "jacking in" what about neural virus's.  If the 
>process of jacking in will allow data to be recieved, and not just 
>transmitted, then I see no reason why there couldn't be some for of a 
>virus implanted.  It could be placed in the consious mind or 
>sub-consious.  Any comments?
> 
>
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Obviously all neural implants or trodes will have to be carefully monitored on
what can be allowed in, onyl certain parts of the brain should be accessed, and
only at certain voltages and in certain ways.  Of course this will most likely
turn out to be a continueing battle with casualties before change if
it comes to pass and they are invented.

 bliss
From: megazone@rivdell.UUCP (Megazoner)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Devices
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 12:52:44 CDT
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

nherring@coos.dartmouth.edu (nh) writes:

> popec@fennec.sccsi.com (William C. Barwell) writes:
> 
> |I would settle for a nice keyboard made of transluscent plastic with
> |backlighting.  This so it would glow in the dark so I can turn the lights
> |way down low and spend the wee hours of the morn with my computer.  I
> |hate having to leave the lights on.  Not a super futuristic trick input
> |device, but thats what I would spend good money for.
> 
> Hurray for Macintosh, XWindows and even maybe possibly Windows... their
> "inverted" screens light up my keyboard fine in the wee hours, without the
> use of another light.

 Personally, I have everything in a closet with a red overhead light for 
illumination...

          MI

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From: popec@fennec.sccsi.com (William C. Barwell)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Lights
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 19:01:53 CST
Organization: Fennec Information Systems, Houston, Texas USA

Well, yeah. A red light WOULD work... But it ain't as neat as a glowing
keyboard.  I can get telephones and speakers that light up with neon 
lights, why NOT a keyboard.  There is a new input gadget out.  It straps 
to your hand with velcro.  The keys are chordal, that is you need 2 or 
more simultaneous keys hit to output a character code to your box.  These 
seem to be cheap.  Anybody here actually tried one, or know anyone who 
has?

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From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Subject: Cellular Modems
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:43:27 GMT

well i really dont know what the problem is with cellular modems

but i know that the network that i help maintain has one
of its connections run through a microwave link
to a spot where cable cannot be sent

it runs at 56kbps, which really isnt that slow...
and i dont see how a phone couldnt do likewise

and this isnt just the phones two-way transmission
this is connected to the internet

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From: joelong@romeo.caltech.edu (Long, Joseph Louis)
Subject: Re: Jacking In
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 07:34:00 GMT

>With all this talk of "jacking in" what about neural virus's.  If the 
>process of jacking in will allow data to be recieved, and not just 
>transmitted, then I see no reason why there couldn't be some for of a 
>virus implanted.  It could be placed in the consious mind or 
>sub-consious.  Any comments?

That's an interesting idea for a CP story, but from what I'm told
by people who actually know about biology (certainly not me) it
isn't very hard to "make" biological viruses, but luckily people
just don't do it.... so let's not get them started, eh?  :-)
Hopefully people will have the same "ethics" (or maybe just fear)
with cyber-viri that they do with bio-viri!

l8er,
joe
From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Input Devices
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:29:08 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <JcPFPB1w164w@cyberden.uucp> moon!cyberden!impmat@well.sf.ca.us writes:
>Didn't you read Neuromancer Curtis?  We aren't going to need pupil 
>trackers or motion sensitive gloves....we'll just put the trodes on and 
>jack in.  Our icons will be 3 dimensional, and universal.  As far as our 

	Heh.  Did'j'a read the l8est Mondo 2000?  There is a commercial
non-invasive neural interface for the Mac.  Something about graphing
brainwave patterns and making music with MIDI.  Sounds like fun, non?

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From: lyn@centurion.ksu.ksu.edu (Myself)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Jacking In
Date: 21 Aug 1992 12:13:44 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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moon!cyberden!dev@well.sf.ca.us writes:

>With all this talk of "jacking in" what about neural virus's.  If the 
>process of jacking in will allow data to be recieved, and not just 
>transmitted, then I see no reason why there couldn't be some for of a 
>virus implanted.  It could be placed in the consious mind or 
>sub-consious.  Any comments?
> 

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	Take a look at the 'Electronic Storm' (?????title) series. It was in
a.c.chat about 2-3 months ago. Its main plot had quite a bit do do with such
a nasty. (And it was NASTY).
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From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Input Devices
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:06:53 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <1992Aug13.142501.24226@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> nherring@coos.dartmouth.edu (nh) writes:
>  Furthermore, the system isn't universal, and
>you still have glitches when changing from region to region.
>
>nh

	Digital Cellphone tech will go a long way toward fixing this.

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From: dewind@acsu.buffalo.edu (Padraig)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Jacking In
Date: 22 Aug 92 14:53:55 GMT
Organization: UB

tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards) writes:

>I think the idea of a neural virus is pretty low probability.  
>It would require changing connections in brain bioware.  Most
>realistic jacking-in scenarios involve electric connections to
>senesory and motor areas, not, say, plunging into language areas
>or autonomous nervous system areas.

I have always thought that in order for one to access the net through brain-
direct communication one would need a small computer plugged in to the brain,
and have that computer connected to various parts of the brain.  This would 
allow such things as temporary raw data storage,  compression of information, 
and screening of information (basically it would be silly to stick a wire
in to your cerebral cortex and hope it to work.  With such a computer or 
chip located somewhere in the body, and connected to the neurological 
system one could have all sorts of screening to prevent fun sorts of 
direct tampering with the brain such as strobes and power overloads (plus 
this type of connection would be most likely to be connected to a modem of
some sort or another.
  A virus could however attack the computer that interfaces the brain...causing
all sorts of havoc when trying to access the information therein.

>Although, having an electrode hooked up to your brain is a dangerous
>situation...all it takes is someone to put 120VAC down it to ruin
>your whole day!

It'd give you a surprise you'd never remember!

>-Thomas

  -Padriag

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: morton@qucdntri.ee.queensu.ca
Subject: Re: Input Devices
Organization: Queen's University EE Department
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:37:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.142501.24226@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, nherring@coos.dartmouth.edu (nh) writes:
 
> Cellular modems have a LONG way to go yet: they can support 2400 baud and
> maybe higher, but that is by no means the size of the data path I think it
> would require for "jacking in".  Furthermore, the system isn't universal, and
> you still have glitches when changing from region to region.

Digital cellular communications standards are in the midst of being established 
in North America. (I believe there is a standard in Europe, that is currently
being phased in.) This will mean that you can use all sorts of compression
techniques (Just like pkzip on your computer) to compress your data to achieve
much faster transmission than the actual bits-per-second would indicate (There
is a theoretical maximum bps given the bandwidth limitations of regular phone
lines). 


			Stephen 		TRIO
                                                   Telecommunications Research
                                                   Institute of Ontario
From: gs32+@andrew.cmu.edu (Geoffrey Spear)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Jacking In
Date: 22 Aug 92 13:42:29 GMT
	<22AUG199200341311@romeo.caltech.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


  I would hope so too, but I don't think there is any reason to think
that people would have any more ethics in not creating cyber-virii than
they do in not creating computer virii.
From: jjhayes@nbrwh75.bnr.ca (Jeff Hayes)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Input Devices
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:14:39 GMT
Reply-To: jjhayes@x400gate.bnr.ca
Organization: Northern Telecom Public Switching, Bramalea Product Tech. S908

In article <1992Aug13.233454.28990@u.washington.edu>, mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:
"   }"In article <1992Aug13.142501.24226@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> nherring@coos.dartmouth.edu (nh) writes:
"   }"
"   }">Cellular modems have a LONG way to go yet: they can support 2400 baud and
"   }">maybe higher, but that is by no means the size of the data path I think it
"   }">would require for "jacking in".  Furthermore, the system isn't universal, and
"   }">you still have glitches when changing from region to region.
"   }"
"   }" Latest issue of Boardwatch magazine has a news bite about a v.32bis
"   }"cellular modem. That's 14.4K. A little higher than 2400, eh?
"   }"

and even better - we here at NT are introducing fully digital cellular
now, it will get to the street in a year or so.  The benefits are legion
but the biggies are increased users per cell and MUCH higher bandwidth
connections - data connections that do not have to be modulated into
voice feq ranges!!!

neat stuff eh?
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From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Input Devices
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:40:10 GMT
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park

In article <1992Aug13.142501.24226@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> nherring@coos.dartmouth.edu (nh) writes:
>Cellular modems have a LONG way to go yet: they can support 2400 baud and
>maybe higher, but that is by no means the size of the data path I think it
>would require for "jacking in".  Furthermore, the system isn't universal, and
>you still have glitches when changing from region to region.

Yeah, but the 2400 baud limit is a function of bandwidth limitations
not so much of the operating radio frequency, but more of the voice
processing going on (keyword: voice, bandwidth lim. about 3Khz).

Give up your voice bandwidth (which is a limitation since most radios
are set up for voice), and explode on UHF (440 MHz and above, crank
from 9600 to 56Kbaud, and more).

The amateur packet network is ubiqitous for message passing at
1200 baud on 144 MHz band, and maybe if we get out act together
with new DSP modems (meaning you buy one box and can do any kind
of modulation, FSK, PSK, QPSK, etc.), and some more-than-voice
bandwidth input radios, maybe we can begin to approach that.

See rec.radio.amateur.packet for more info.

-Thomas
 de N3HAU

(P.S.:  digipeated off of U8MIR's packet TNC on board the MIR
  space station last night as far as Massachusettes (from DC).
  Also left the guys up there a greeting on their BBS...)
From: lyn@centurion.ksu.ksu.edu (Myself)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Devices
Date: 21 Aug 1992 12:24:25 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: centurion.ksu.ksu.edu

gorton@blorf.ltn.dec.com (Richard Gorton) writes:


>In article <1992Aug15.170252.7956@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, nherring@coos.dartmouth.edu (nh) writes:

>Why limit ourselves?  Lets stretch the old imagination a bit, and see what
>we can dredge up....

>	Wall sized (projection?) flat screens.  Holoscreens eventually.

	Available for the rich, coming for us.

>	Projection systems which project 'keyboards'.  Either magnetic,
>	  optical, or some other system of location detection is used
>	  so that entering data on a 'keyboard' becomes nothing more
>	  than moving ones hands(??) around in the air.

	Possible, but kind of useless - more efficiant 'thin air` input devices,
	and the keyboard needs tactile responce.

>	Radio packet interfaces between input devices and the computer

	Here now. For a price.

>	A variety of interface devices, depending upon what one
>	  wants to do - keyboard, light-pen, glove, track-ball, or
>	  combinations of them.  Kind of like a surgeons tools.

	It's called 'cluttered desk'.
	It's here (though not all common)

>	Real "old-fashioned" keyboards for those activities which need
>	  to be "secure" or recorded.

	See sci.crypt for a discussion of quantum code - can transmit
	messages more securely than any encryption.

>	Visors or painter-type hats with the visor being the screen/projection
>	  device?

	Or a HUD - the traditional on-glasses display is up to slightly less
	than tv quality, at 66 frames/sec.

>	Sony "compute-man" systems capable of storing terabytes of information
>	  on non-volatile media (optical disk, flash memory, etc.

	Coming, al a 'Digital Organizers'.

>	World-wide news/information channels/networks accessible solely
>	  via computer.

	Guess what your on?

>	Replicating Virii that float around on said networks.

	RTM

>	Replicating Anti-Virus software which hunts Virii.

	Soon. If needed.

>	AI programs to filter out the interesting stuff from the garbage
>	  on the news/information channels people browse.

	An advanced Newsreader.

>	AI becomes commonplace due to the "brute force computing" approach

	We can hope.

>	Hardware implants for faster computer interfacing ("jacking-in")
>	  become feasable, and everyday.

	Maybe. Can you actually imagine the sensory input possible? see next.

>	Wireheads (a-la-Niven) become a possibility.

	Definitely.

	Have fun.
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From: moon!cyberden!dev@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Jacking In
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 22:31:49 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

With all this talk of "jacking in" what about neural virus's.  If the 
process of jacking in will allow data to be recieved, and not just 
transmitted, then I see no reason why there couldn't be some for of a 
virus implanted.  It could be placed in the consious mind or 
sub-consious.  Any comments?
 

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