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From: stud1b53@bnr.ca (Anshu Prasad)
Subject: Re: Favorite Artists?
Reply-To: stud1b53@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 21:01:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.095339.1@skcla.monsanto.com>, jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
|> >Who are the favorite comic book artists of the people out on the net and why?
|> 
|> * Terry Austin & Klaus Janson:  Give More Credit to Inkers!!!
|> 

   ABSOLUTELY!!  Terry Austin can work wonders with almost anyone's pencils.
And, while we're at it, I'd like to put in a vote for colorists too.  I
hate to admit it, but there was a time when I'd buy a comic just because
Joe Rosas was doing the colors.  I don't think people give the colorists
enough credit for their contribution towards the overall appearance of the
finished art.  Just my $0.02... and sorry about straying off topic.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: New releases:  December 16-18, 1992
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 06:00:52 GMT

This is a list of what one distributor is scheduled to release between December
16 and 18, 1992.

Archie
	Archie 409
	Archie Double Digest 64
	TMNT Adevntures 42

Big City Comics
	Brotherman 5

Comico
	Slash 3

Dark Horse
	Cheval Noir 37
	Dark Horse Presents 68
	Flaming Carrot 30
	New Frontier 3
	Orion 2
	Terminator: The Enemy Within Collection
	Thirteen O'Clock 1
	Virus 1

DC Comics
	Superman: The Man of Steel 20
	Batman: The Seduction of the Gun 1
	Batman: Shadow of the Bat 9
	Batman vs Predator Collected Edition
	Black Condor 8
	Flash 73
	Green Lantern: Mosaic 9
	Hawkworld 31
	Peter Cannon: Thunderbolt 6
	Robin III: Cry of the Huntress 4
	Robin 3000 2
	Scarlett 1
	Shade the Changing Man 32
	Spectre 3
	Star Trek 43
	Stanley and his Monster 1

Disney
	Uncle Scrooge 276

Fantaco
	Night's Children: Vampyr 1

Fantagraphics
	Cud 2
	Love & Rockets Sketchbook Hardcover Edition

Graphitti
	Akira Book 2 Limited Edition

Leadbelly
	Interplanetary Lizards of the Texas Plains 2

Malibu
	Monster Posse 2
	Necroscope 2
	Pendulum 2
	Robotech Sentinels II 17
	Scimidar VI: Slashdance 2
	Tarzan: The Beckoning 2

Marvel
	Avengers 359
	Conan, the Barbarian 265
	Doom 2099 2
	GI Joe 133
	Hellraiser Dark Holiday Special
	Hulk 402
	Iron Fist 14 Milestone Edition
	Marvel Age 121
	Marvel Comics Presents 121
	Marvel Tales 270
	Marvel Universe Master Edition 26
	Morbius 6
	Shield 44
	Silver Surfer: The First Coming of Galactus
	Slapstick 4
	Spider-Man 31
	Warlock and the Infinity Watch 13
	What If 46
	Wolverine: Weapon X HC
	X-Factor 87
	X-Men 17
	X-Men Adventures 4
	Nightbreed 24

Mirage
	Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 54

Now
	Speed Racer 3
	Twilight Zone 11

Topps
	Dracula 3

Tundra
	Hyena 2
	White Trash 2
	Zombie War Signed Set

Valiant
	Bloodshot 2
	Harbinger 15

Viz
	Battle Angel Alita 6
	Crying Freeman: Part Five 2
	Macross II 4
	Silent Moebius Part III 5

Miscellaneous
	Spider-Man 30th Anniversary Pin Set
	Cry for Dawn 1993 Calendar
	WildCATS Poster
	Dr. Doom Figure Pin
	Black Orchid (Portugese Edition)
	Comic Book Marketplace 21
	Comics Buyers Guide 998
	Golden Age: Seduction of the Innocent CD
	Max Pin
	Sam and Max Pin
	Sam and Max Window Sticker
	Gilgamesh II TPB (portugese Edition)
	Marvel Series III Trading Card Poster	

-------
Scowling Jim Cowling
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria
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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Kyle Baker is black!!  Wow!! (was Re: Black artists...)
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:54:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.104752.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> birmingh@fnalo.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham) writes:
> Phillip "Will trade kidneys for a copy of 'The Cowboy Wally Show'" Birmingham

Gee, first Charles mentions fathering a child for me due to my letting him
read my copy, now Phillip's offering a pair of kidneys for TCWS. Having a
copy of this thing's better than having a personal organ bank.

"This single episode increase the ratings of the show to such a degree that
the following episodes were shown without commercials because no one could
afford the advertising rates. The show was canceled two weeks later."
  --Cowboy Wally's Late Night Celebrity Showdown
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Spawn Question
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:49:38 GMT

ganderso@ems.cdc.com (Gary Anderson) writes:
>I used to consider myself fairly observant and somewhat
>intelligent but now question that.  Does anyone who reads Spawn
>know what the heck those numbers with colons are for?

>  ex:  8:0:3:1

That's supposed to represent how much magical power he has left... as
soon as it runs out, he goes to Hell or something like that.  That's
why he needs the BigGuns now.
-- 
Public school teachers are overworked and underpaid.  True, it is an exacting
and exhausting business, this damming up the flood of human potentialities.
From: dct@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David C. Tuttle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DID DOOMSDAY DIE?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 23:59:05 GMT

ibanez@ac.dal.ca writes:
>
>   The easiest way for DC to bring back Supes is to say that he was cloned
>at some point, and the clone took over his place - hence the clone was the
>one who dies fighting Doomsday. I don't read Superman, but I'm sure they could
>find some way to say this happened.

Sure, it could've happened that time when Superman guided that space
shuttle into Jamaica Bay.

--
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From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman, Superman, Everybody's talking about Superman ...
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:08:02 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:

}In article <8aQ703Uoc20=00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jsp@pls.amdahl.com writes:
}>Right, and I've never said otherwise.  Notice my use of the term "for
}>that short a term" up there.  My point has always been that a store
}>won't be seriously hurt by declining to participate in the outrageous
}>pricing *of the death of Superman comics*.  Always on this thread I have

}	But what's so special about the Death of Superman comics,
}as opposed to say, the Robin mini-series, or the Spawn written by
}Alan Moore, or the X-cutioner's Song comics?  Why should he abandon
}good business practice for this single event?

Can you explain to me why you ask me this question when I have made it
quite clear on numerous occasions that I have never suggested that he
"should" do anything of the sort?  

}	While, I'm not Jim, and I can't speak for him, as far as I can
}know, he's charging the "market value" for the comic.  He is no more taking
}advantage of the situation than the fanboys who buy ten at cover right
}when it hit the stands, and then sell them to their friends for an 
}equally ridiculous ammount.  

I think both are taking advantage of the situation.  

}	He won't go out of business if he sold all of them at cover.
}However, it would be dumb not to.  If you want to blame someone for 
}the outrageous price of the Super-Death issues, blame DC.  It's not like
}they didn't know this was going to happen.  It's not like it's the whole
}death thing was done for any reason _other_than_making_DC_a_pile_of_money_.
}If you're going to get mad at someone over this whole nonsense, it's DC,

If nothing else, let me try to make one thing clear:  I'm not mad at
anyone (including Mr. Cowling), I'm not "snarked" at anyone, and I tend
to agree that much of the "blame" falls on DC for engaging in this
overly-hyped ploy in the first place (although I do feel compelled to 
point out the obvious; that however many millions of these Superman books 
are sold, DC sold each and every one at the *normal* price; only the 
comic shops and speculators have reaped the multi-times normal profits).
My comic shop was nice enough to get me every issue at cover, even though
I don't have a subscription service.  And I certainly don't plan on
selling any of them.  So the outrageous prices have no effect on me
whatsoever.  I do think the situation is kind of sad.  And I think that 
part of why the prices got so out-of-hand is a snowball effect fueled
by the kind of thinking shown by Mr. Cowling; that is, if a competitor 
raises the price, you "have" to raise your price in response; that somehow
your business will be hurt by earning the normal, *expected* profit from
an item rather than the artificially jacked-up price being earned by the
other guy.

--James Preston

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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: The Dark and Hell's OrgChart (was: Sandman, Hellblazer, and Hell)
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:17:26 GMT

In <1992Dec14.172008.3748@Princeton.EDU> mfterman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Mutant for Hire) writes:

>Wrong. Read old Swamp Thing issues written by Alan Moore. The Dark is
>God's shadow, the reverse side of Himself. He could not exist without
>the Dark and vice versa. The Dark is much more powerful than anyone
>including Lucifer.

I always pictured the Dark as taking a less active (i.e., giving orders and
taking names) and more symbolic -- radiating anti-God-ness, I guess.  (Does
this mean he's like the Kryptonite Man?)

The Dark is sort of like Ronald Reagan, with Lucifer as James Baker and
Constantine's devil being either Nancy Reagan or George Bush.

Next caller.

                    "Suddenly I just 
                     got this kind of 
                     mystical vision.
                     There was this 
                     sorta big black 
                     bird shouting at
                     me."
                                     "Really?  Cool. 
                                      What was it 
                                      saying?"
                                                     "DRIVE on the
                                                      RIGHT!  You'll KILL
                                                      us ALL!  Drive on
                                                      the GODDAMNED *RIGHT*!
                                                      **AAAAAAGH**!" 
----
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From: mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman, Hellblazer, and Hell
Date: 14 Dec 1992 22:57:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


It was explained in the current Hellblazer story exactly
how both Satan and Lucifer ended up in Hell. I won't
spoil it for you. But you should read the book as
the explanation is quite explicit.
-- 
"What's wrong with him?" "What do you mean?" "Well, he's standing
in front of a mirror, talking and smirking to himself.  That's
one of the first symptoms of megalomania." - The Doctor
"Ipsa scientia potestas est." - Roger Bacon
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From: ostubble@agsm.ucla.edu (Otha Stubblefield III)
Subject: Re: Phone # for DC, Marvel, Etc.
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:01:01 PST

panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:

>11sgerlis@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:

>> 
>> 
>> Ohhhhhhh Pleasssee....  I am from N.Y.C.... There's no such a phone number
>> called 1-212-555-1212 because  the three digits are 555 are pretty stupid, it
>> was used among in movie, television shows....
>> 
>> Get real! *grinnning*

To the telephone illiterate :), if you want to call directory information
outside of your areacode, you must dial 1-areacode-555-1212.

DC used to publish their phone number in the text blurb on the splash
page.  Is this no longer the case?

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From: dunk@carson.u.washington.edu (John Dunkelburg)
Subject: These are some of my favorite comic artists.
Summary: These are my favorite artists in comics.
Keywords: favorite comic artists
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:58:18 GMT

Well, might as well throw in my favorite artists in comics.

1.   Wendy Pini   Her original ElfQuest series opened the way for
a large number of today's independent artists and publishers.
Her (admittedly) manga-inspired artwork is reminiscent of some of
the better artists of the Art Deco period (One artist's work comes
to mind, but I can't quite put a name to the work).

2.   Ben Dunn   His original title, _Ninja High School_, a spoof
of Japanese comics and animation, has grown into a spoof of most
comics in general.   His humorous treatment of the subject is at
times hilarious, and at other times serious.   His style really
doesn't match most of the work put out by American artists, though
some comes close.

3.   Harrison Fong   This is primarily for the only work of his I
ever saw, a six-issue mini-series put out by Dark Horse Press called
_Mecha_.   He is about the only American artist who can do giant
robot warriors and come off better than most of the best Japanese
artists.   His giant robot designs are original (at least they were
in _Mecha_.   I haven't seen anything from him lately) and
creative.   I doubt anyone at Marble or B.C. could do any better.

Feel free to comment.   I'd like to hear them.   If you must flame,
follow the advice of on of the FF. . .

      FLAME ON!
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Style is for the individuals.   Which are you?
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From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman - A Thought
Date: 15 Dec 92 07:07:35 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Dec9.154206.5011@Princeton.EDU> mfterman@phoenix.princeton.edu (Mutant for Hire) writes:
>In article <1992Dec8.232959.12822@news2.cis.umn.edu>, lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>>Darn. I was sorta hoping to see Desire on the Love Connection. 
>Actually, Desire would probably be hosting Love Connection. ("you
>will fall for this person, you will....")

And, obviously, Despair will be hosting Studs.

(Watch this show some time, it will make you -ill-.....)

-- 
    "Well, do you ever get the feeling that the Story's too damn real
                        and in the present tense?"
               Christian Wagner - cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Favorite Artists?
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:55:37 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I thought I'd add a few that came to me later (not meaning that they are any
less important):


Additional Fav. Classic Artists:
--------------------------------

John Buscema:   Master of the 'heroic pose'.  Excellent sense of drama.
    When I think 'hero', I think of him.  Definitely deserves more credit
    than he has gotten.

Jack Kirby:  He's the king.  Of course.

Steve Ditko:  Underrated, yet highly influential and innovative.

Wally Wood:  An amazing illustrator.



Additional Current Artists:
---------------------------

Dale Keown:  Great potential.  Very hesitant about the Image thing, though.
     The best monthly artist, IMO, just prior to the return of the green Hulk.

Lee Weeks:  Constantly improving, a respectable and solid artist.

Dave Gibbons:  Not a fan of his, per say, but he did Watchmen.  His work on
     that book was a masterpiece.

Matt Wagner:  Highly original, always interesting.

Walt Simonson:  Great, but Robo vs. Term bored me.

Stephen Bissette:  Shocking and stunning.



Inkers:
-------

John Totleben:  Amazing.  His Swamp Thing was stunning.  His paintings are
     even more so.

Terry Austin:  The inker's inker.  Always solid.  He could even make my pencils
     look good.  :)

Mark Farmer:  I like his stuff on Hulk.

For some reason, I'm drawing a blank with inkers at the moment...  I should go
back an find a bunch I like...




Most Disrespected/Worst Artists:
--------------------------------

501:  Obviously.

McFly:  Easy on the eyeball close-ups, and get some control, and maybe you
     could make something of yourself.  Try a new attitude on for size, too.

Paul Ryan:  PLEASE leave the FF alone.

Ron Frenz:  There was only one Kirby, but for some reason, you disagree.

Rik Levins:  Dreadful.

Mike Mignola:  Fine, he's influential, but I can't look at his stuff for
       more than two seconds before becoming ill.

Jim Aparo:  Denny O'Neil's favorite, but I think that's the only thing
       keeping him there.  Positively awful.

Al Milgrom:  Acck.  Although, his inking on the Jae Lee issue of X-Factor
      was rather good.



      I could go on and on, but I'll stop here.






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From: sde0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SCOTT DAVID EHLERS)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Cry for Dawn
Date: 18 Dec 92 06:19:52 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Anyone know where to get this by mail? Is it worth it? Only heard from a
friend (etc.) that it was good.
-- 
 
 
           "Come, dogs, we'll see who will walk away,
              and who will be food for the crows"
                                                -Conan, the Avenger
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From: swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim)
Subject: Re: Transformers the toy, animated, and comic line
Organization: Rice University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:15:00 GMT

In article <HcBJVB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> herbertf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Herbert Fung) writes:
>>  Speak for yourself, bub. I just got Optimus Prime, and I've been
>>playing with him for the past thirty minutes.
> 
>I envy you
>I've been asking around here an apparently stores in Canada will not see 
>the original Transformers until Feb. or Mar. of 93. I still have the 
>original Optimus Prime, but I still want to get the collectors edition.

  I doubt that it's worth it. It's the same figure, except the trailer
has a different color scheme, there's a box that makes 3 sounds ("I am
Optimus Prime!"), and 2 new guns.




-- 
Mike Swaim            | "101 Dalmations? Yeah I saw that."
swaim@owlnet.rice.edu | "You Did! REALLY? The same film?
Disclamer: I lie      | Let's stop driving! We must get out and jump
up and down and up and down and dance around and around!" Matt and Delerium
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From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Subject: Re: Quasar and the New Universe
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:33:18 GMT

In article <maguire-141292105923@128.149.100.151> maguire@zappa.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire) writes:
>In article <Bz8Kuy.4w4@news.udel.edu>, krupski@ravel.udel.edu (James John
>Krupski) wrote:
>> 
>> In article <Bz7wCy.LzI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos) writes:
>> ObRetconFantasy:  The Old Man came from the Marvel Universe in the first 
>> place.  Everything he told Ken Connell was a lie.  Ken Connell himself is
>> only an amnesiac future version of Wendell Vaughn who got stuck there 
>> somehow.  (Ever notice how he had no family and only a couple of friends?)
>> (That also accounts for the close physical resemblance.)  The whole New
>> Universe never had any cosmic energy in it at all, before the Old Man,
>> or since.  If (OH PLEASE, IF) there's never any more crossovers between
>> the MU and the NU, then the New Universe can continue the way it was
>> MEANT to be, the way it SHOULD be, PURE.
>> 
>> Tiny particles of Pitt Juice are floating in the atmosphere.  There are 
>> monsters living in the lava tunnels beneath Mount Pittsburg... 
>> That's ENOUGH excitement for one world!  I don't EVER want to see
>> Charly meet Spider-Man, Blur race Quicksilver, Dave wrestle with Bruce,    
>> Justice struggle against Magneto, Wayne try to push Xavier, Boyd shake
>> hands with Rogue, Johnny and Johnny flame on in unison, ad nauseum!
>> That would RUIN the WHOLE POINT!  What Gruenwald has done is surgically
>> remove from the NU the only thing that didn't belong.  Any more would be
>> fixing it too much.
>> 
>
>
>We already know how Gruenwald feels about the need to clean up danglers 
>from old Marvel continuity (he's like a one-man Crisis) - he's even 
>brought back the Balck Fleet from the Questprobe tie-in comics for God's 
>sake.
>
>Anyone want to lay odds on whether or not he's building up to explaining 
>the White Event in the pages of Quasar?

  Obviously, it's just a rift into the Beyonders' omni/multiverse.  (Can be
done well, if they decide not to make it a crossover "event".)  Can
anyone explain to me what happened in the last two Quasar issues?  I wont
be able to get them for a couple of weeks, due to finals pressure. :-(

I agree that the PITT is enough excitement for one Earth.

Karthik Sheka              | It's not an optical illusion.  It just looks like
kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu |    one.
karthik@cs.columbia.edu    | By "recursion" I mean "defined by recursion".
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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: Black artists condemn DC (was Corporate Mainstream...)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:41:08 GMT

In article <rdippold.724292792@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>>Political scientists who write about "theory of oppression" offer that, in
>>order for an "ism" to exist, two things are required: discrimination and
>>power.  That is, discrimination by the group in power against the group
>>out of power constitutes an "ism"; discrimination by the group out of power
>>against the group in power does not.
>I like it.  So calling all whites evil small-dicked small-assed devils
>isn't racism, nor calling orientals, say, slant-eyed micro-dicked
>fish-faced gooks (or any similar list of stereotyped crap you care to
>put together) unless the person saying it is white.

	No.  But it's still bigotry, under this ideology.


>The only thing amazing here is how far the PC will bend to absolve
>"sacred" groups of any responsibility for anything happening anytime
>for any reason.

	Or how the non-PC people bend PC ideology to fit their own
prejudices.  Please note that nothing in this quote said ANYTHING
about bigotry, personal responsibility or what not.

	Obligatory note: this is not an ideology I agree with. It's
sloppy terminology. I prefer the term "institutionalized [race/sex]ism."
And I certainly agree it's possible for this to oppress whites, though
historically this has not been as frequent.

	
-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
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