HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Joe.Bethancourt@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Tomorrow Belongs to Me
X-Sender: newtout 0.01 Jul 13 1992
Date: 26 Jul 92  13:25:30

I should also comment here that the Nazi party songwriters did a lot
of study on the rhythms of themusic of John P. Sousa and adapted quite
a lot of his style to their music. You can tell the difference if you
listen to the German military music of WW I and then listen to the
Nazi stuff.
The reason that the Cabaret version sounds so "right" is simply that
the authors obviously studied their format quite well. Listen to one
called "Ich Hat' Ein Gute Kameraden" (pre-WW I) or anyof the songs
of the "Wandervogel" of the '20s and you'll see what I mean.
  
(this is a segment of music that I have studied in some detail, due to
the positively SUPERB melodies in the Wandervogel stuff)
  
The scene in Cabaret is a textbook example of the power of a simple song
to grab one's emotions. It starts with a nice, clean-faced boy singing a
song with a very pretty melody....and then you notice that he is wearing a
HitlerJungend (Hitler Youth) uniform....and then the whole of the small
Gasthaus (beer hall) is singing along with him, pounding on the tables and
literally snarling the song out. VERY chilling indeed.
  
Unfortunately, local SCA politics in the Ann Arbor area, what with the Horde
being something of windbag-pokers there at the time, found it useful to spread 
the idea that the song was a remake of the "Horst Wessel
Lied" (not true) and that theDark Horde was composed of closet Nazis (also not 
true). *sigh*
  
Frankly, getting nervous about the original use of the song would be a lot
like a member of AA getting nervous about the American national anthem
originallybeing a drinking song.
  
One of these days, I'm gonna filk the "Horst Wessel" as a tender love song and 
see who catches it.......heheheheh! 
  
I reallyneed to drag out some of themore obscure recordings I have laying
about and see what's on there for stealing in the way of melodies. The
Nazis (damn their souls to hell forever!) had some damn fine tunes that I
wanna steal and put to -good- use.
   
(yeah....I spent some time in Germany not too long after the War. I saw
Dachau. I saw what was left after the War....I detest Nazism with a hatred
that amazes me.)
  
And to the person who offered to post the German for Deutschland Uber Alles:
Please do so! I'd love to have it on disc!
   
<end of soapbox>


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From: Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: Blanket Permissions
X-Sender: newtout 0.01 Jul 13 1992
Date: 23 Jul 92  08:21:39

On <Jul 17 07:57>, steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) wrote to All:

 SB>a  You can put me on the blanket permission list as well (Steve 
 SB>Brinich,
 SB>steve-b@access.digex.com).  E-Mail is a bit more convenient, but 
 SB>I think
 SB>it best to have a public post as well to avoid any possible 
 SB>misunderstanding.

Thank you, and that's a good idea.  Especially since I don't know if you
posted that to me or Joe Ellis, and I HAVE to know who's on the list or I
can't add them....

         Ye Moderator/Designated Topic Cop, Kay Shapero 

--- msged 2.06
From: Beth.Friedman@p5.f341.n282.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: HElp
X-Sender: newtout 0.01 Jul 13 1992
Date: 25 Jul 92  16:50:36

 RS> There's a folk song I used to do with some friends, 
 RS> but they are gone, and I'm trying to remember the 
 RS> words. Part of the verse is

 RS>   "O my Johnnie, don't you know
 RS>    That the world is turning slow,
 RS>    And the living  ain't so easy as she was so long 
 RS> ago.
 RS>    If I had a thing to telll you, still I'd tell you 
 RS> one more time:
 RS>   That the world is always turning towards the 
 RS> morning."

That's a variant version of "Turning Toward the Morning" by Gordon Bok.  It's 
on his album of the same name, which is produced under the Folk-Legacy label. 
 I know other people have recorded the song; I have a Jerry Rau record that
includes the song.

--- Sirius 1.0ya
From: Tom.Jeffrey@f2118.n124.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: RE: New file on the Aerie
X-Sender: newtout 0.01 Jul 13 1992
Date: 28 Jul 92  17:45:39

Nicolai, do these files contain just the song/story/poetry segments or are
they the ENTIRE text from the echo for the month??

Thanks!!

    Tom Jeffrey


--- Tabby 2.2
From: Mike.Liebmann@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Immoralize in son?
X-Sender: newtout 0.01 Jul 13 1992
Date: 19 Jul 92  07:16:54

(oops, song), no, it's immortalize.  If you don't believe me, check 
the lyrics to "HeavenCon" by Kathy Mar. 

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From: Scott.Fridenberg@f901.n170.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: The Wabbit Belongs to Me.
X-Sender: newtout 0.01 Jul 13 1992
Date: 20 Jul 92  22:44:00

This is a bit of SCA Filk.  A bit of backgroung might be helpfull.  The SCA is 
a group that "re-creates" selected parts of the middle ages.  Within the SCA
is a sub-group known as The Great Dark Horde.  They are patterned after the
Mongols  and owe no aligence to any kingdom.  One of their songs is called
Tomorrow Belongs to Me and details the weaknesses of the various kingdoms and
why they will fall to the Horde.  The tune is it'self a filk but I don't know
what to.  The Horde was formed by Robert Asprin who is known in the SCA as
Yange the Nauseating.  Some of us suspect that the name was applied to him
sometime shortly after he first sang in public.
       This song is from a yet to be written collection "Elmer Fudd filks the 
songs of the Horde"  Someone please cross-post this to rec.org.sca and
Medevil.  Feel free to add verses.  Permission is given to print in songbooks.

             The Wabbit Belongs to Me.     Tune: Tomorrow Belongs to Me.
          I once was a weak ineffectual wimp
          Till the Hoard made a man out of me.
          Now I'm a Mongol Fierce and Bold.
          And the Wabbit belongs to me.

          A Mongol's no Mongol or so I am told,
          Unless he has a Trusty stead.
          The Tasmanian Devil's the mount I ride.
          And the Wabbit belongs to me.

          I'll have Daffy the Duck A La Orange tonight.
          Tomorrow Foghorn Fricassee.
          Sylvester can have the Tweety Bird,
          But the Wabbit belongs to me.

          Pepe la Pew's a wet spot on the road.
          The Coyote's his own enemy.
          I sent Granny a serenade sung by Yang.
          And the Wabbit belongs to me.

          The Monster's out fighting Yosemite Sam.
          Perhaps that will keep them Busy.
          If not then I'll deal with them both myself.
          Cause the Wabbit belongs to ME!

          Road Runner's been saddled by Speedy the Mouse.
          And he rides alongside of me.
          Let Buggs try to outrun the two of them!
          The Wabbit belongs..
          The Wabbit belongs...
          The Wabbit belongs to me.


--- FMail 0.90
From: 21329KAD@MSU (Kim Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Learning guitar?
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:17:42 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

I thought this crowd would be the source of the best information
I can get without having to deal with a bunch of pedantic garbage.

I want to learn to play the guitar.  I realize I'm a little old
for this.  I don't EXPECT that I will wind up playing like
Ottmar Liebert or Peter White. I'll settle for learning one or
two Jimmy Buffett songs that are recognizable.

I've found someplace to take lessons.  But I need advice on
buying a guitar ... and would like to catch SOME clue as to
what I'm looking for from someone who isn't trying to sell me
one.

I'll be looking for a used, acoustic instrument.  I hope to
keep it under $200 ... as I suspect those things I've seen
for under $50 are probably only suitable as wall decoration.
I might as well make a reasonable investment in this.

What I need is information on what factors I should consider.

If you've got some way I can tell if I've hooked into a bozo
for a teacher, let me know that as well so I can bail out
early.  (Four years of lessons from the "Piano Nazi" as a
child kept me from attempting an instrument again until
now.)

Thanks muchly.

************************************************************************
*  KIM DYER                    *                                       *
*  208 COMPUTER CENTER         * Had I known this long ago,            *
*  MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY   * I might not have come this way at all *
*  E. LANSING, MI  48824       *                                       *
*                              *                          - Al Stewart *
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************************************************************************
From: lundgren@vesta.unm.edu (Chad Lundgren)
Subject: Re: St:tng filks
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 06:38:09 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico

Kettlingurr@f708.n362.z1.fidonet.org writes:
>These are hilarious!  I copied only two, though:  "Starfleet Man" and "Lost My
>Powers (and I'll Cry If I Want To)".  Can you just *imagine* these two
>singing?
 
>BTW, I'm thinking to post them up on the FISHnet ST:TNG Echo.  I could let you
>know how that crowd likes it if you want....  :)

Could someone please re-post these?  Also, has anybody moved the filk files
to a unix site near  (Coming to a unix site near you...) me?  I would
appreciate it.  I mean the more recent ones.
 
-- 
Chad Lundgren:  lundgren@ariel.unm.edu BITNET:	lundgren@unmb.bitnet 
To my consciousness, they [people] are merely ascii files that show up on my 
computer every day. --Doug Quarnstrom
From: Mike.Liebmann@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: Fake books
X-Sender: newtout 0.01 Jul 13 1992
Date: 19 Jul 92  07:15:59

I've seen some books at music stores which are supposed to have something like 
2-3000 song lyrics in them, Sherman.  You might want to check at your local
house of music. 

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From: Mike.Liebmann@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: DAG BBS??
X-Sender: newtout 0.01 Jul 13 1992
Date: 25 Jul 92  07:57:11

It's been up and working, but there's about a year's worth of messages gone. 

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From: Silverstar@f412.n161.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: Ye Rules Post
X-Sender: newtout 0.01 Jul 13 1992
Date: 28 Jul 92  14:04:03

 -=> About Kay Shapero's words of wisdom on Ye Rules Post <=-

 KS> PLEASE NOTE - All material posted should have either been written by
 KS> the poster, or be things the poster has the right to publish
 KS> (thanks to express permission of the copyright holder, public
 KS> domain status, "anonymous" authorship [do check first] or the
 KS> like.)  When in doubt, don't post it.

  Well, I guess I'd better ask first ;-)  I got a sorta filk/poem off of
another net dealing with the budget crisis.  It is written as a Dr Suess
piece, but it isn't by Dr Suess.  And, the author is unknown.  There is
also no copyright notice on it.  (Although, as I said, it came from
another post.  If there HAD been one, it could have been removed)  I was
just wondering if I may share this piece of work with the others here.
Thanks

  /-/ Silverstar /-/


... CP #1  Rule 5: Everyone must buy the moderator chocolate.
--- Blue Wave/RA v2.10 [NR]
From: Glendon.Todd@f68.n128.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Another Verse
Date: 25 Jul 92 16:52:00 GMT
X-Sender: newtout 0.01 Jul 13 1992

DA--> SM> Yes and how many barrels could a porkbarrel pork
DA--> SM> If a porkbarrel could pork any barrels?

DA-->Oh, so THAT'S what those holes are for!

Groannn...
 * OLX 2.2 * Anything free is worth what you pay for it.
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From: Sherman.Dorn@p3.f917.n273.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: philk attempt
X-Sender: newtout 0.01 Jul 13 1992
Date: 24 Jul 92  09:14:07

On <22 Jul 92  20:24>, Dave Aronson scribbled the following to All:

 DA> Anybody out there know the lyrics to
 DA> Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious?  

 DA> All I have [of a filk] so far is:

 DA> Super User Aggravated Creeping Featuritis,
 DA> If you catch it you will find that it's full of detritus!

The last two lines of the verse read as

Even though the sound of it is something quite atrocious --
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.

(Bridge:)

Dum diddle diddle diddle diddle dum diddle aye [well, phonetically] (3x)

Oh, BTW, my net address on the bottom here is wrong -- I just realized that
it's been going out as my old net address (273/917.3).  The correct one is
273/10.3, FWIW.
--- via XCS 1.00
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:41:46 -0400 
From: Eli Brian Goldberg <eg1n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Guitar Lessons?

Kim,

   If you're cash-strapped and want to do filk guitar, I _strongly_ recommend
trying _Country and Blues Guitar for the Musically Hopeless_ before getting
a teacher.  It's a _very_ well done book + tape, and to be honest, anyone
can teach folk guitar.  If you want proof of it, catch me at a con if they
overlap (Balticon, PhilCon, OVFF, DarkOverCon, EveCon, CastleCon, ConCerto/
ConCertino/whatever it's called next year, etc) and I'll be more than glad
to sit down with you for however long and I can teach you some of what I know.
The only thing I _really_ don't feel comfortable trying to teach is the more
complex elements of Leslie Fish-style playing since I don't know them too
well, but I have a feeling that it's not very relevant at this point... ;-)
From: Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: New file on the Aerie
X-Sender: newtout 0.01 Jul 13 1992
Date: 28 Jul 92  09:09:57

On <Jul 27 17:04>, bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray) wrote to All:


 BD>Problem:  I have no FTP access.  Perhaps I am not alone in 
 BD>this hardship.  Is there any possible way to get the filk
 BD>files other than by FTP?  Has anyone ever considered starting
 BD>a mailing list?  Any other thoughts or suggestions?

OK - the only mailing list at the moment is that for the entire group,
and since you already get the newsgroup it won't help you much.  (Though
all of the contents of the FILKfiles were originally on the group/echo).
They are collected together and uploaded as .zip files to the file area
of StormGate Aerie (FIDO node 1:102/524, phone number (310) 822-6729, up
to 9600 baud).  Call first and leave a message for the sysop giving your
name, home phone number & home address for validation and after he calls you
back, you will have access to the files.  

If you have access to a nearby FIDO node and the sysop is willing, you can
file request them via that node (this DOES cost the sysop phone
transmission charges btw so be prepared to share costs).

Or if you want all of them you may just plain want to mail me some floppies
 - if you're interested let me know and I'll give you the details via email.
 
The above applies to everyone, which is why I'm posting it instead of
sending it e-mail.  For that matter, I don't know how good a job the
ftp site has done of picking up recent FILKfiles - could someone who
has ftp access check on this for me?  I don't know the name of the
person doing it so can't write them myself.

              Ye Moderator/Designated Topic Cop, Kay Shapero 

--- msged 2.06
From: Deborah.Weiss@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: Singing question
X-Sender: newtout 0.01 Jul 13 1992
Date: 25 Jul 92  21:46:50

Kathy Mar once told me a simple trick to build up diaphragm strength, namely
to just lie on your back on the floor and place a heavy book on your stomach. 
 Now sing the phrase or line.  Keep practicing and use heavier books/objects
as your diaphragm gains strength.
 
Comments, anyone?


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From: William.Hughes@f255.n387.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Philk Attempt
X-Sender: newtout 0.01 Jul 13 1992
Date: 27 Jul 92  08:55:00

DA>Anybody out there know the lyrics to
  >Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious?  I have been inspired to write a
  >filk, but dunno original song well enough to do it in full.  All I have
  >so far is:

I'm sure it's copyrighted, so posting the lyrics would be ill-advised.
However, I believe that your local music store should have Disney sheet
music, or check with a theatre supply for a script to "Mary Poppins".


DA> Super User Aggravated Creeping Featuritis,
  > If you catch it you will find that it's full of detritus!

Looks good so far...


 * SLMR 2.1a * I am Bjorn, of Borg.

--- MsgToss 2.0b (r)
From: Jeremy.Buhler@f7674.n106.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Tomorrow Belongs to Me
X-Sender: newtout 0.01 Jul 13 1992
Date: 28 Jul 92  13:46:00

 KS> FYI - I know of two church hymns that use the same 
 KS> tune as Deutschland Uber Alles.  

No great surprise there.  You're probably thinking of "Joyful, Joyful, We
Adore Thee".  That, the German anthem, and BTW the theme to "Bill and Ted's
Bogus Journey" were lifted from Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, 5th movement,
which premiered in 1824.  The 4th movement introduces the music, but things
really get rockin' in the 5th when Beethoven uses the melody in a chorale
setting for Schiller's "Ode to Joy" (Ode an die Freude).

Somewhere around here I have the original words to Ode, but they require a
bunch of essets and whatnot that I can't print here.  Being a Schiller
invention, the Ode is a great example of German Romanticism.  The translation 
of the first verse, according to the CD insert, is 

Joy, bright spark of divinity,
Daughter of Elysium,
Fire-inspired we tread
Thy sanctuary.
Thy magic power reunites
All that custom has divided,
All men become brothers
Under the sway of thy gentle wings.

The music (along with everything else Beethoven wrote) became very popular in 
Germany around 1890, and it was probably carried to America before that.  It
was adopted as the music to the German nat'l anthem and thus remains.  I
suspect the choice had a great deal to do with the pan-Germanic patriotic
fervor that was evident in intellectual circles by 1824 and the big boost it
received from Bismarck - and, of course, the fact that the original Beethoven 
chorale is a rollicking good piece of work.

I have nothing but contempt for the sentiments of "Deutschland uber Alles",
but it doesn't (much) spoil the music.  I would encourage those of similar
mind to mull over a certain portion of the "Star Spangled Banner":

Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto, 'In God is our trust.'

While Francis S.K. may have had nothing but the best of sentiments, imagine
what your average Latin American country must think of that...

                                                                Jeremy

--- Maximus 2.01wb
From: Uucp@f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: RE: ConCertino Program Book
X-Sender: newtout 0.01 Jul 13 1992
Date: 25 Jul 92  12:44:17

 * Original to Kay Shapero @ 1:102/524 in netmail
 * Forwarded Sat Jul 25 1992  12:43:52 by Kay Shapero @ 1:102/524

From  elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov!starch.enet.dec.com!jslove
From: jslove@starch.enet.dec.com (J. Spencer Love; 237-2751; SHR3-2/W28 
25-Jul-1992 0057)
To:   kay.shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 21:59:41 PDT
Cc:   jslove@starch.enet.dec.com

I asked Ellen Kranzer, treasurer of M.A.S.S. F.I.L.C., to reply to the
echo on this topic, but haven't seen such a reply.

The books are available for $5.  I sold 10 of them to Kathy Sands at
Tales from the White Hart in Baltimore.  There are a few more which I
think are in the hands of Gary McGath, the editor.

We sell them to hucksters at $3, which is about their actual production cost.
Thus the $5 price (standard markup is wholesale at 60% of retail).  However,
when the remaining books are gone, no more will be printed.  That's because
   no royalties are paid to the contributors; they just get a free copy.

We are doing a new book a similar size for Magicon.  I will post details on
   the echo soon.

                                                -- Spencer
 
 

--- msged 2.06
From: Uucp@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Tibetan Memory Trick
X-Sender: newtout 0.01 Jul 13 1992
Date: 30 Jul 92  08:02:27

From  ucivax!cunyvm.cuny.edu!mnhcc
From: MNHCC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (Marty Helgesen)
To:   Filk Echo <filk@ofa123.fidonet.org>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 10:44:24 EDT

I am looking for information about the Tibetan Memory Trick  "One
hen, two ducks, three squawking geese, ..."  This is not a song,
but I have heard it recited at filks.  Was it written by a specific
person, or did it grow up in the folk/filk tradition?  Have the
words been published or recorded and if so where can they be
found?  When I asked at a con, someone said he thought the TMT had
been recorded by Flo and Eddie (or is that Floe and Eddy, the Iceberg
Twins?) but he could not be more specific.

Thanks for your help.

(I read the filk echo as alt.music.filk on usenet, but I am sending
this directly through Internet because I don't know how well the
link is working now.  The last I heard not everything was getting
through.)

Marty Helgesen
Bitnet: mnhcc@cunyvm    Internet: mnhcc@cunyvm.cuny.edu

Mammalian chauvinism sucks
From: be726@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph A. Ellis Jr.)
Subject: Re: Fake books 
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 23:19:32 GMT


Yes, Chris, that's what "melody line" means... all written out in 
nice, neat notation full of quavers, semi-quavers, hemi-semi-
quavers, and hemi-semi-demi-quavers. <<grin>> 

As far as "guitar chords" go, that traditionally (on THIS side of
the big water, anyway!) means chords AND a graphic representation
of how to fret it. Most fake books do NOT have that, but rather a
plain text representation as in the example I gave. 

Everyone understand fake books now? 
-- 
 Joe Ellis  o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~    |     TesserAct Studios
     Internet:   usr6184a@tso.uc.edu        |       P.O. Box 18577
        GEnie:   J.ELLIS22                  |     Fairfield, OH 45018
    All filked up and no place to sing!     |   New Dimensions In Filk!
From: Eli.Goldberg@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: ConCertino Con Summary
X-Sender: newtout 0.01 Jul 13 1992
Date: 22 Jul 92  12:43:10

Elizabeth:
 
   If you want a copy of the con book, I _believe_ they're going for
$6 each, which is an bastardly good deal!  I don't know whether they've
went to Wail Songs, Tales from the White Hart, or if Spencer Love
still has them.
 
   Maybe he'll do us a favor if he actually has a moment of spare time
and tell us?  (Or you could ask him by E-mail at jslove@starch.enet.dec.com)

--- Maximus 2.01wb
From: Sharon.Allsup@f361.n109.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Subject: Re: Battle Hymn Filk??
X-Sender: newtout 0.01 Jul 13 1992
Date: 24 Jul 92  17:54:17

 NF> like this (the chorus, anyway):
 NF> 
 NF> Gory gory what a helluva way to die,
 NF> Gory gory what a helluva way to die,
 NF> Gory gory what a helluva way to die
 NF> I ain't gonna jump no more.
 NF> 
 NF> It's a military tune, too, that is taught to those in the Airborne 
 NF> division, or something like that.  I have the complete words if you're 
 NF> interested.  It's really pretty good, as far as military things go.
         
        Can you post the complete words without violating anything?
I'd love to see different versions.  One sung locally is quite gross:
           
        There was blood upon the risers
        there were brains upon his chute
        intestines were a'dangling from his paratrooper suit
        When they went to pick him up
        They poured him from his boot
        He ain't gonna fly no more....
                
        *it's a lot more fun when someone is signing it



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Newsgroups: alt.music.filk
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:55:47 -0400 
From: Eli Brian Goldberg <eg1n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Fwd: CONCERT: Tempest tour


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