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From: lcheap@cac.washington.edu (Laurel Cheap )
Subject: Re: Tour of the Hospital - What questions to ask?
Organization: UW Computing
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:01:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.211726.4573@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:
>
>We are taking our tour on 12/5, and my number 1 question is:
>
>	security!

<deleted>

The hospital where I delivered had recently opened a new maternity
floor with all the trimmings.  One of the best things they did was
put in a security system for the babies just like the department
stores.  When Brendan was born, they put an ID tag on his wrist
with the same number as mine and they also put a small device around
his ankle.  The ankle device sets off alarms if you pass beyond the
maternity ward boundaries.  I guess they put it around the ankle 
which is usually hidden under a blanket so that if someone tries to
steal the baby, they don't notice it until it's too late.  The
nurse had to use a special device to remove it from Brendan's ankle
when we left.

The funny thing about this was that my mother was carrying Brendan
when we went for a walk and we didn't notice the monitors at the
end of the hallway.  You guessed it, she set off the alarms and the
nurses came running.  Even though they knew us they still checked
our ID's for matching numbers because that was the policy.

I thought it was a good system since it allowed visitors to come and
go without too much hassle.

You're not alone, I was worried about that too (and still am until
Brendan is old enough to "phone home").

-Laurel
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: olney@sr.hp.com ()
Subject: Re: Any tips for Kaiser delivery ...
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:03:41 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD - MWTD) - Santa Rosa, Ca.
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Kaiser Santa Rosa has a nurse-midwife during working hours.  If your
Kaiser has one, try and get her.  We've had two babies at Kaiser,
and the midwives were so much more human and helpful than the
male doctors.

Also, beware the shift change!  All personnel including the doctors have
shifts, and its easy for your needs and procedures to fall between
the cracks over a shift change.  I don't know if this is unique to
Kaiser.


					   Best of luck,

					   Doug Olney
					   Santa Rosa, CA
From: estier@zeus.calpoly.edu (Ellen Stier)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Diaper Services - worth it ?
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:21:38 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <33111@goofy.Apple.COM> winner@Apple.COM (Stephanie Winner) writes:
>Yeah!  And how about an environmentally-friendly disposable diaper
>for adults!  With the growing aged population I am surprised that
>no one ever mentions choosing cloth over disposable for adults.


That's because adults can speak for themselves and refuse to wear 
uncomfortable cloth diapers.

Signed, a mom whose baby tried both cloth and disposables.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

I'm not sure I would sa
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: Help getting two year old to sleep
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:59:53 GMT

Well, you can lead a child to bed, but you can't make him sleep.  At least,
that has been my experience with BOTH children.  So we don't make them sleep.
We do the bedtime routine and then go to bed.  If they'd prefer playing in 
their rooms or watching TV or reading, they are free to do so.  The point for 
us is that we are through being parents.  We are now "off work" so to speak.  

-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lewis@linac.fnal.gov (June Cummins Lewis)
Subject: Re: After the Stork and Hanna sizes
Organization: Fermilab, Batavia, IL
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:19:43 GMT

In article <3906@master.CNA.TEK.COM> judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.200006.4255@adobe.com>, riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle) writes:
>|> 
>|> Ah, the reason why I love Hanna's.  They fit who they say they will
>|> and they aren't outgrown quickly.  Rachel is in a size 90 now and
>|> almost into a size 100, but she has size 80's that she can still wear.
>|> I bought her size 70's when she was 4 months old and she wore them for
>|> over a year.
>
>This isn't necessarily true.  I haven't had the same good experiences
>with Hanna Anderson as some others on the net.  I first ordered from
>I recently ordered my daughter some fleece suits and a pair of bubble 
>overalls, both size 90 since she was growing out of the size 80's we'd 
>received as gifts.  The suits were _huge_ on her, and the overalls were way 
>too small.  

Although I've had good experiences with Hanna clothes overall, I have
to concur with Judy about the bubbly bibs.  Both my friend and I have
found that the sizing on those is way off--both of our children, who
have quite different body types, take a larger size than the chart
would indicate.  My son currently wears an 80, but in order for the
bibs to fit from shoulder to crotch he has to wear a 90.  Of course,
this makes them rather long in the pants.  I wish the company would
wise up to this problem.

Also, I have had trouble washing some of the knits.  It's very hard to
get stains out of them.

Yet in other respects, their quality is superior to many other brands, like
babyGap (does anyone else out there call the regular Gap stores
"Grownup Gap"?)  Hanna seems to use thicker fabrics and they hold up
well--I've never had anything from them rip or give at the seams.  One
item arrived missing a snap, and they sent UPS here to pick it up (at
no charge to me).  

Plus, they're so damn cute!

>I like the Hanna concept, but sizing and quality hasn't been consistent
>at all for me.  Not to mention that these things aren't cheap, either.

They are overpriced.  I buy almost all things from them on sale.
Recently, they introduced some corduroy "eurobibs" (overalls) that
were very cute, but they cost &38.00 a pair!  Considering that there
was nothing that original or extra-cute about them (they were all
solid colors and a very basic design), there's no way I would spend
that kind of money.

June Cummins Lewis

-- 
"Saying that men talk about baseball in	order to avoid talking about their
feelings is the same as saying that women talk about their feelings in order
to avoid talking about baseball."
			--Deborah Tannen, author of _You Just Don't Understand_
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: What do you do when your kid things Metallica is cool?
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:28:11 GMT

In article <Bxw29K.9to@news.iastate.edu> sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov (Susan B. Sinnott) writes:
>A few years ago I read "Babit" (sp?), a book about a man having a mid-life
>crisis in the 1920's (it was published in 1922 I think).  It was very 
>interesting to me that the book mentions that all the "young people" were 
>"wild" because the listened to jazz and wore "short" dresses (ie dresses 
>above the ankle).

Short skirts in the 1920's were above the KNEE, marijuana and cocaine
were popular (not like today, though), and jazz was blamed for all of
it.  They weren't called the "Roaring Twenties" for nothing.

Plus ca change...

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: mpiller@sybase.com (Marion Piller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: vaporizer, anyone?  replaces decongestant
Date: 13 Nov 92 23:28:26 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.


 >In article 27270 Janet Beretta (jberetta@lib.uwo.ca writes
 >
 >At least now where she's a little old, I'm not adverse to 1/2 tsp of
 >decongestant at night so she can breathe, where my Dr. *forbade*
 >anything for under 18 mos.
 >
 >There nothing worse than a sick baby who can't tell you where it
 >hurts!
 >
 >Janet

Doesn't anyone use vaporizers anymore?  I have used the old-fasioned
variety, hot steam, not cold steam, with a great deal of success with
both my kids, who are now 13 and 6.  You have to keep the window slightly
open and the door ajar to avoid *really* steaming up the room, but boy do
my children sleep well with it when they have colds.

-- Marion
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)
Subject: Re: Hanna sizes
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 00:40:56 GMT

In article <27478@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov (Lindsay Schachinger) writes:
|> In article <3906@master.CNA.TEK.COM> judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM writes:
|> >This isn't necessarily true.  I haven't had the same good experiences
|> >with Hanna Anderson as some others on the net.
|> 
|> I actually wanted to comment on someone *else's* comment that
|> Hanna's sizing was always right on (i.e. if it said X pounds, Y
|> inches, that was that). That's not been the case for David ---
|> his Hannas have been consistently too short in the body and too
|> long in the arms and legs. And he's not a gigantic baby, just 23
|> pounds and 29 inches at 9 months. The denim romper I bought him

Of course, maybe age should be considered.  My daughter is 24 pounds
32-33 inches, but she is also 22 months.  The 80 cm fit perfectly!

I know they don't use age as a factor, but if a baby is large, i.e.
weightwise, then the length will definitely be wrong!


Leigh Ann
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Episotomy...What my doctor said...Is this true?  Anyone NOT have one?
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:01:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.BxtJ9J.6nw
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov16.151620.7932@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>, sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes...
>Having had 2 episiotomies that tore (one a 4th degree (i.e. back to the 
>rectum) and the other 3rd degree (still pretty big)) I thought I'd mention
>that the episiotomies and tears aren't necessarilay that big a deal.  

No big deal for you.  Not everyone shares your ideas.

>At the end of a long labour I'm willing to trade an episiotomy for 15
>minutes less pushing.

Since an episiotomy is YOUR PREFERENCE, I'm glad your birth 
experience was handled accordingly.  

My problem is that (barring medical emergency) episiotomy is NOT MY 
PREFERENCE, and I will most likely have one against my will, if I 
stay with this doctor.

Currently looking for a different OB/GYN.

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sodonnell@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: antibiotics and the pill
Reply-To: sodonnell@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:55:51 GMT

Three years ago while on the pill I got strep throat. My doctor pres-
cribed antibiotics. About a month later I got that old familiar feel-
ing again. Lo and behold I was pregnant. When i went for my 1st pre-
natal checkup I was concerned about the affects the pill would have
on the baby. I asked the Doctor if antibiotics can counteract the pill.
She said she had heard about it but I was the first person that the
(the group of gyno's) had to met to claim this. A few nurses I have
spoken to over the years have said they have often heard about this 
happening. Well my 3 year old son is living proof that this can occur.
Luckily the pill seemed to have no affect on him. I figure I continued
taking the pill for about a month after the strep throat incident.
Counting back from when he was born we figured conception to be during
the week I was taking the anti's. My question is why don't gyno's
caution a woman when she goes on the pill that this can happen? 
Has anyone's doctor warned them of this???? Not that it matters to
my husband and I anymore as we took the big " V " approach to 
permanent birth control. I was just wondering if doctors were now
talking about this yet and if not then this is most certainly a
good place to talk about it as most of you all seem to be of child
bearing years. Of course we were quite happy to have a boy as our
first three kiddies are girls. He is the royal crown prince of the
family and everyone spoils him most especially his sisters. But
FOUR are plenty enough for us........


          "THEY DIDN"T TELL IT WOULD BE THIS MUCH WORK, DID THEY ?"
From: valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM (Valerie Jorge)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: It's getting awfully close to Christmas....
Date: 20 Nov 1992 20:24:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: leapyear.ebay.sun.com


Hi, it is getting close to Christmas and I am trying to put
together Christmas lists for our families.  My son is
5 1/2 months old and is the first grandchild in my family.
I have a short list of things I want for him, but are
there any great suggestions you have for neat/fun things
he may want that I don't know exist?

My stepdaughter is 9 1/2 and is not really into material
things.  I don't think she watches enough T.V. to know
all the new and exciting things available.  She usually
asks for 2 or 3 things, which we give her, but I
like to do a list, especially for my family, since they
don't know her very well and aren't really accustomed
to buying for kids.  (We've only been married 1 1/2 years).
What are you getting your kids this age?  

Thanks for any suggestions. 

Valerie Hayes
From: wang@optigfx.optigfx.com (Alice Wang)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: bilingual kids
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:53:20 GMT
Organization: Optigraphics Corporation, San Diego

In article <Nov16.181255.46605@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes:
>I have many relatives that are in the same predicament, one of my
>cousins has succeded in getting his two year old to speak his native
>Arabic, by only addressing his son in Arabic, and refusing to answer
>any requests the child makes unless he says it in Arabic.  He tells
>me that it has worked for him and now his child knows to talk to daddy
>in one language and mommy in another.
>I would welcome any other suggestions.
>
>Basil

Yes, consistent and persistent are the keys.  I have a friend who is
Chinese and has an American wife and was able to teach Chinese to his
4 daugthers.  He insists that they address him in Chinese.  The wife
ends up picking up a lot of Chinese, too.  It's amazing how the kids
can switch back and forth between Chinese and English effortlessly.

I also want to point out that it's very important for the eldest to
use the Non-English language.  If the eldest tries to speak it, so
will the younger ones.  If the eldest doesn't, it's unlikely the
younger ones will.  I've seen that in my nieces and nephews.

I have a friend who is born here and both his parents are Russian.
His father is very strict about him speaking Russian at home.  He
is fluent in Russian, speaking/reading/writing.  He said when he
was little, if he starts speaking English, his father will immediately
ask him to speak Russian.  I asked him if he, at any time, resented
that.  He said "no".  He also said when he was little, he thought
all kids speak English outside and speak Russian at home.  For him,
that was just the fact of life.  By the time he was old enough to
realize that's not true, he was also old enough to not mind using
two lauguages.  Now that he's grown, he really appreciates his dad's
effort.  However, he does admit his vocabulary is more of the "kitchen
talk" variety.

Alice Wang
Mom to Christine, 11 mo
wang@optigfx.com
From: baby@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (maureen.paone)
Subject: replying to Amy M. Rupp's post
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:26:53 GMT

Keywords: Our system went haywire!!
 

When attempting to edit Amy's post, our news system went biserck
and sent my post out before I got to finish editing it. SO I'm sorry
for taking up so much bandwidth by reposting the original post as well 
as my unfinshed reply. I hope everyone got the gyst of my reply though.
And btw CONGRATULATIONS Amy on the birth of your daughter!!!
-- 
............................................................
Maureen A. Paone                                           .
Proud Mom to Bryan Michael and Shawn Elizabeth and ????    .
.............. 8-18-88 .......... 4-27-91 ....  due 6-2-93 . 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Sleep deprived parents needing help
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:36:40 GMT
Summary: "monster spray"


A read about a good idea once.  If the child is afraid of scary dreams or
"monsters":  get a spray bottle of water or air freshener, and re-label
with a paper ("monster spray" or a picture of a "monster" that is
circled with a line through it) and spray the room before bed time.
Just something I read.

Or, designate one night a week a special night that child can sleep
with you in your bed all night, like a friday.  Just a thought....

Christine,
with 3-yr-old niece who knows all about the monsters in her closet
and under her bed but isn't afraid of them....

first-time-mom-2-b 1/19/93
aunt to many (great mommy practice)


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lcheap@cac.washington.edu (Laurel Cheap )
Subject: Baby Poem
Organization: UW Computing
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:51:08 GMT

Some time back, someone requested the full text of a baby poem
that I thought I had at home.  Well I finally found it, then
finally remembered to bring it to work, then finally found the
time to post it. :)

I was given a little wall hanging that has the following:

"Cleaning and scrubbing
   can wait 'til tomorrow,
For babies grow up
   we've learned to our sorrow.
So quiet down cobwebs,
   dust go to sleep.
I'm rocking my baby
   and babies don't keep."

There was no author given but it did say (c) 1991 Expressions Greetings,
Ltd.

And at the bottom was also:

"There's a time for everything, and a season for every activity
under heaven."  Ecclesiastes 3:1

-Laurel

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Xref: sparky misc.kids:28979 sci.med:21383
From: Josef Moellers <mollers.pad@sni.de>
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
Subject: Re: 2 year old traumatizes front teeth
Date: 23 Nov 1992 09:40:37 +0100
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG, Paderborn, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: uranium.sto.pdb.sni.de

In <1992Nov16.161715.28332@keps.kodak.com> mbb@keps.kodak.com (Maureen Busch) writes:

>In article <92318.151348MBS4@psuvm.psu.edu> MBS4@psuvm.psu.edu (Michelle Schott) writes:
>> [son fell and hit mouth]
>>and the pediatrician looked more closely in his mouth.  His front teeth are not
>>loose, but the gum above them is purple-black as well as the inside of his lip.
>>The pediatrician said don't be surprised if in 2-4 weeks his teeth start to
>>turn gray.  He said that the roots of baby teeth are very shallow and it does
>>not take much to damage them.  This was a pretty severe trauma to his mouth.
>>Is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening?  If they start to
>>turn gray, is this permanent even if he gets a root canal?  Is there a risk of
>>losing the teeth completely?  If they do not turn gray within 4 weeks, does
>>this mean that they won't due to this incident?

Sorry to answer this as a follow-up to a follow-up, but I missed the
initial article.

Our daughter (now 3 years old) fell during last year's summer holiday.
She broke off part of one of her (upper) front teeth. We immediately
went to the local dentist who tore out one splinter, leaving the root in
place (One cheer for the dentist!)

Both upper front teeth turned grey to black in the weeks after, but have
returned to normal colour since then. When we returned home, my
wife immediately took our daughter to her dentist who examined the teeth
and told us not to worry. He advised us on leaving the stump in place,
telling us it now was a mere placeholder for the tooth and it was
needed to allow the second teeth to grow normal.

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From: ivy@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Ivy Griffiths)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:44:43 GMT
Subject: Re: "New Mothers Room" in the workplace
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

I'm not sure I would say that Apple doesn't think such an ammenity is
worthwhile, it's just they let men design the building without any
reasonable input from the users.  I guess I shouldn't bash men, because
I'm sure some childless analytical women might overlook such an issue.
BTW, didn't apple input other "progressive" ammenities into that office
complex?  Like stores, drycleaning, hair salons...to try to minimize the 
car traffic?
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cute things they say (6YO)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 00:04:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


     There might have been a couple other funny ones, but the 2 I recall
most from when Chris (9YO) and Matthew (6YO) spent the night with me
at our grandparents':
     He came in from playing outside; my grandpa asked him if he shut the
side door, and he said: "I think so, yeah."  The wind blew the door shut
a few seconds later, and Chris joked: "Well, he didn't say *which time*."
     Out shopping at the mall, Matthew saw something he wanted.  It cost too
much to buy then, but Matthew insisted that he wanted it.  My grandma said:
"Well, you can get it for Christmas if you want."   He said:  "Well, if I
have to wait that long, I don't want it."
 (He later changed his mind, and said he'd take it for Christmas.)
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu  : Me, age 4 & now: "Mommys and Daddys & other
   "Thou shalt love God with all: relatives have to give lots of hugs & love
thy heart...*and thy neighbor as: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great
thyself*." Luke 10:27           : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"