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From: odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Brent Spiner and Skin Coloring
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:18:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Jul28.011802.21928
Organization: The Stuffed Animal Trauma Team  (We're Trained Professionals)


  It is no secret that Brent Spiner is getting tired of the long hours in the
  make-up chair.  He's said it several times -- most recently (to my knowlege)
  at the Marlborough, MA creation con.  I just wish I'd thought to ask this 
  question then...

  Why can't Data just have his skin color changed again, this time permanently?
  We *know* he's an android by now;  we don't _really_ need the blatant visual
  reminder. (Besides, he could keep the eyes... ;)  

  This would solve many problems, would it not?  And, on the whole, I'd much
  rather lose seeing the white-face than lose seeing Brent.

  I remember thinking during "Unification" that Dr Crusher's line about how
  she wasn't sure the skin coloring was reversible that that shouldn't be all
  that much of a hardship...

  So, what think ye, Netfolk?  Good idea or no?  (I simply cannot wait to be
  told I need a life.  I've got one, thanks. 1/2 ;)  And what would Brent think
  of it, I wonder?  If anyone sees him at an upcoming Con, this might be a
  great question to ask.
-- 
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                                 odlin@reed.edu
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From: aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Alan D.)
Subject: Re: New Characters (splitting up the crew?)
Reply-To: aland@cs.brandeis.edu
Organization: As little as possible
Distribution: canada,usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:16:15 GMT

p5ku@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (BAMFORD) writes:

>	I was just reading these discussions, so I thought that I'd put
>in a word or two.  Removing the characters in question from service aboard
>the Enterprise might lead to a larger scope of storylines.  That is,
>suppose Data, Worf, and JLP left to go on to bigger and brighter positions.
>Conceivably, episodes could then be made centering on adventures happening
>to any one of these people, and not just on the Enterprise.  This might
>yield greater scope of plots, something which I feel has been lacking
>this season (save one or two of the episodes).  Besides, the reassignment
>of Chekov in STII and Sulu in STVI didn't really hinder the Enterprise
>(albeit these are not great examples, as both screenplays were written
>with the purpose to bring them back into the action).

You're missing the important part...  If they don't come back, it's
because they didn't want to be on the show.  Therefore, there wouldn't
be any episodes "centering on adventures happening to any one of these
people," since these people wouldn't be on the show anymore.

	-=Alan
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From: delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De Vaughn Elledge)
Subject: Re: WHO IS HOTTER? TROI, CRUSHER, OR GUININ?
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:24:48 GMT

In article <7690@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> linley@pasteur.seas.ucla.edu (Bruce Linley) writes:
>> [drooling deleted... more to come]
>
>As lons as we're all being sexist, here's my ranking.
>1. Deanna Troi
>2. Beverly Crusher
>3. Vache *
>4. Every Ido babe.
>5. and what the hell, Janice Rand from TOS.
>
>* Doesn't vache mean 'COW' en francais? Makes you say hmmmmm...
>
 You got it!!! But if you add a simple contraction to VACHE**** then you
 get what we  americans call .er...eh.. a discriptive adjective. :)

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From: an26@sol.acs.unt.edu (Roberts David)
Subject: Re: Friendly little poker games?
Organization: University of North Texas
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:07:07 GMT

kenward@cs.sfu.ca (Kenward Chin) writes:

>In a no-holds barred poker tournament involving every "regular" (you can
>interpret this yourself) member of the Enterprise crew, what would the final
>ranking be?

>Kenward Chin
>-- 
>Disclaimer: Since transmission of this article is by imperfect methods, there
>	    may well be discrepancies between what is above and what was
>	    intended.  Therefore, please edit this article to read as you
>	    wish.

--
Well, as long as it's no-holds barred, the captain would win by ordering all
his subordinates to lose.  Rank hath its priviledges. :)
From: kuvamp@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: O'Briens rank REALLY solved!!!!!!
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:23:10 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

OK, Ok this will finally end the "O'Brien's Rank" flame war once and for all:

You've heard of a Major General?  You've heard of a Lt. Colonel?

Well, O'Brien is a.........(drumroll)....

		CHIEF PETTY LEUTENANT!

There! that oughtta solve it!

			-----------------Gareth-Michael Skarka
					(with apologies to M*A*S*H, from which
					I swiped the joke.)
						:-)=
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From: pinkney@spot.Colorado.EDU (PINKNEY PAUL CHRISTIAN)
Subject: ST VI:TUC -- why the Romulan?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:37:02 GMT

My brother and I are confused.  Just why the h*ll was that Romulan
ambassador in ST VI?  I thought the Federation and the Romulans were
at war.  His presence in the movie doesn't seem to make any sense.

Also, did anyone see the adds for ST VI before it came out?  It showed
Kirk being killed on (...oh, you know, that prison moon whose name
escapes me...), but that seen didn't appear in the movie.  Oh, yes, his
double got phasered, but the teaser seen on TV wasn't the same.  Hmmm...was
Kirk supposed to get killed in VI as rumored...?

Being new to the group, these subjects may have come up, so flame away
if you feel the need...but be gentle -- I wish to be "Of the Body" and
not expunged.

One last thing...'member the seen where Spock requests McCoy's help
with the torpedoe?  McCoy should've said, "Damn it Spock, I'm a doctor,
not a rocket scientist!!"  (...or some such...)

Cheers,
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From: pinkney@spot.Colorado.EDU (PINKNEY PAUL CHRISTIAN)
Subject: Re: Bar Trek
Keywords: Bar Trek Rules
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:01:32 GMT

In article <70pmbv_@lynx.unm.edu> bdombrow@triton.unm.edu (brent m 92jun08 dombrowski) writes:
>	I am looking for the complete rules to Bar Trek (both old and new).  If
>anyone out there has them, could you PLEASE email them to me.  Thanks in
>advance.
>
>Brent Dombrowski (bdombrow@triton.unm.edu)
>
>--

Ditto, please.  Muchly appreciated.

-- 
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From: Abdul.Khaliq@brunel.ac.uk (Abdul Q M Khaliq)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Poker
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:04:26 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK

Geordi undoubtedly has the ability to see everyone's cards, the
question is can he stop himself? In the 1st season story, Heart of Glory,
where we get to see through the VISOR, he tells Picard that he  can't
filter out the extraneous information that he doesn't require, he just
trains himself to ignore what he doesn't need to see... However, subconsciously
he's going to be able to see everyone`s cards, and if his concentration wavers,
his conscious mind would focus on the cards and...

	GEORDI GETS RICH!

	(Incidentally, I'd like to nominate Heart of Glory for one of the
	 worst TNG lines....

	 "I think I'm beginning to understand him..." J-L Picard.)



	 Linus.
	 ========================================================
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	 ========================================================
From: v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (sandra guzdek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Where they go in TUC--SPOILER!
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:59:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul20.154732.5684@iscsvax.uni.edu>, althof5805@iscsvax.uni.edu writes...
>WARNING!!!!!  This entry contains a SPOILER in disguise!  If you haven't seen
>STVI:TUC yet, don't spoil your fun by reading this!
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>Okay, for everyone who has the courage to bypass the spoiler warning...I'm
>sorry if you're disappointed, but this is really a question to satisfy my
>curiosity.
> 
>Was it blatently obvious to *everyone* in the theatres that Kirk's last
>"official" line in TUC is a direction for the heading "Second star on the
>right...and straight on 'til morning."  This heading would take them, of
>course, to the legendary home of Peter Pan--NeverNeverLand.
> 
>Observations?  Comments?  Is this a clue to the fate of the NC1701-A and her
>crew?  What d'ya think?

i think it was merely a JOKE.....
:)

 sandra g. + illustrator-for-hire, buffalo ny + v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
  "once i was the king of spain.......................now i eat humble pie. "
                               -- moxy fruvous
From: ken_p1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Season 5: Opinionated (if belated) Comments
Date: 23 Jul 92 04:19:04 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

 markc@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU writes:
> Atushi Kanamori's rating of season 5 deleted.
> 
> I have a number of questions to ask.
> Firstly if you don't like Star Trek TNG then why do you watch it, and
> why do you spend so much time analysing it? If it isn't any good, then
> why not ignore it?

I agree completely.  Being a hard science fiction fan (reader & viewer)
sometimes I don't always like some points of some of the shows when they dip
into the fantastic elements (omnipotent beings).  However, I take each and
every show of TNG as something different and unique and interesting.  Why
bother reviewing something on a consistent basis when one is so damnably
critical and largely negative.  The show is not as bad as Atushi's opinions
state.  We all know he does love the show -- evident by the amount of time he
puts into his writings.

> 
> Who was the dickhead who invented the idea of giving things ratings like
> A- or B+? What on earth is the point of this? You pick up a magazine and
> it tells you that the new album by someone is 4 1/2 stars. What the hell
> does that tell you? Absolutely nothing. Similarly we get reviews of programmes
> on TNG with this programme rates a B-. Leonard Maltin reviews movies this
> way, Gramaphone reviews CDs this way. It is stupid. The idea that you can 
> reduce a work of art, or even a TV show which is not intended to be 
> pulled  apart, to a letter of the alphabet or a number or a collection
> ]of stars is obnoxious. 
> 
> Mark C.

I guess if something doesn't get a number, or a grade, or stars then people who
read the review will become lost.  Look at the book reviews in the SF mags,
except for Aboriginal SF, they do not grade any of the reviewed books, just
comments.  A lot of TNG is art and as such it probably should not be graded. 
If there's a better show on TV then I am living in the wrong universe!
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Where they go in TUC--SPOILER!
Keywords: peter pans a fairy
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:01:50 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul21.030902.27480@engr.latech.edu> bronson@engr.latech.edu (Patrick K. Bronson) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.154732.5684@iscsvax.uni.edu> althof5805@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>>WARNING!!!!!  This entry contains a SPOILER in disguise!  If you haven't seen
>>STVI:TUC yet, don't spoil your fun by reading this!















>>Okay, for everyone who has the courage to bypass the spoiler warning...I'm
>>sorry if you're disappointed, but this is really a question to satisfy my
>>curiosity.

>>Was it blatently obvious to *everyone* in the theatres that Kirk's last
>>"official" line in TUC is a direction for the heading "Second star on the
>>right...and straight on 'til morning."  This heading would take them, of
>>course, to the legendary home of Peter Pan--NeverNeverLand.

>>Observations?  Comments?  Is this a clue to the fate of the NC1701-A and her
>>crew?  What d'ya think?

>I thought it was awfully coincidental that Peter Pan came out about a week
>before (or was it after?) STVI.  It was sorta cute, but a clue....naaah!

Maybe it's just me, but I thought it was because of the fact that they're
all getting so old. :-)  Seriously, in STII:TWoK, Kirk talks about feeling
old.  He must be feeling even older by now!  And in Never Never Land, no
one grows old.

Or, maybe I'm just reading waaaay to much into it. :-)


-- 
Jorge Diaz                       | "You're outmanned, you're outgunned, you're
Georgia Institute of Technology  |      outequipped what else have you got?"
Office of Information Technology | "Guile."
ccoprdj@prism.gatech.edu         |      -- Riker and Worf   "Peak Performance"
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From: langston@memstvx1.memst.edu (Mark C. Langston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Poker
Date: 26 Jul 92 16:33:00 -0600
Distribution: na
Organization: Memphis State University

> Well, the cards might be designed to have a heat signature for each auit
> and number, so Geordi can see them more easily.  The transparent reference
> would mean that he can see the heat sign from either side of the card,
> not just from the face-up side.
> 
> To make it even, the cardbacks should be shielded, so Geordi can only see his
> (face-UP) cards.
> 
> --
>  "If I speak, I am condemned.		David Stumme 
>   If I stay silent, I am DAMNED!"	das@sunsrvr1.cci.com
>       -- Jean Valjean a.k.a. "24601" 	das1417@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
>          "Who am I?", Les Miserables 	D.STUMME @ GEnie


Perhaps it is the case that Geordi can see the player's body heat _through_
the cards, and the colors of the inks on the cards would absorb different 
amounts of IR emission, thus filtering the player's IR radiation through
the cards in a distint pattern which Geordi could see, and 'read' by simply
reversing the image in his head?

oh, well.

-- 
+--------8<------Cut Here------8<------Cut Here------8<------Cut Here---------+
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  Psychology Dept.   |  "Always listen to experts.  They'll tell you what can't
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From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST VI:TUC Musings/Comments (*SPOILERS?*)
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:37:28 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Jul23.181033.322@sei.cmu.edu> ledgerj@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (Jim Ledger) writes:
>In article <13687@auspex-gw.auspex.com> hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng) writes:
>>Someone (I forgot who) said earlier that they were outraged because Christian
>>Slater got credit for being the Excelsior communications officer, while the
>>blonde lady didn't. Well, she did. That was Grace Lee Whitney (a.k.a. Yeoman
>>Janice Rand from TOS).
>
>The real outrage to me was the fact that she didn't get
>credit as Janice Rand, but simply as some anonymous crew member. Any
>theories as to why?

Well, was she identified as such in STVI?  Certainly no one called her
Janice or Commander Rand in the movie.  Usually (but not always)
people are only listed by a character name in the credits if they are
called that in the movie.  Grace Lee Whitney was only listed as the
ignominious `Woman in Cafeteria' or some such in STIII.  What was her
screen credit in STIV? She did have a single speaking line in STIV.





-- 
				Tom Kuchar			  
kuchar@buast7.bu.edu		  -or-                      kuchar@plh.af.mil
Department of Astronomy		                     Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
From: los@coos.dartmouth.edu (Charles Dubuque)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Vulcans on ST:TNG
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:48:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Jul31.152448.15180@tamsun.tamu.edu> joses@cs.tamu.edu (Batman the Destroyer) writes:
>
>Has anybody noticed that Vulcans are not as prevalent in ST:TNG as
>in ST:TOS?
>Out of all the episodes of ST:TNG, only the Unification I & II and
>the episode when Sarek make the crew act weird have Vulcans on them.
>
>Have the Vulcans gone on some type of sabatical or what? Do they not
>wish to associate with the Federation as much anymore?

Huh? Let's see how many Vulcans we can find:
STTOS: Spock (only recurring Vulcan character)
       T'Pring, T'Pau, Stonn ( Amok Time, one episode)
       Sarek ( Journey to Babel, on episode)
       Vulcan High Priests, Cmdr. Sonak (STTMP)
       Saavik (STII:TWOK)
       Saavik, High Priestess, Vulcans, Sarek (STIII:TSFS)
       Sarek, Saavik (STIV:TVH)
       Sybok (STV:TFF)
       Sarek, Valeris, Various Vulcan diplomats (STVI:TUD)

STTNG: Lt. Selar (Dr. Crusher's assistant)
       Vulcan admiral in _Conspiracy_
       Vulcan woman taking Starfleet exam with Wesley Crusher
       Sarek
       Spock
       The Admiral at Wesley's inquiry
       some others I can't think of

Any others anyone else can think of from TNG?

If I remember the STTNG Writer's Guide correctly, the new series
specifically wanted to stay away from Vulcans, because they had been so
deeply developed in STTOS. They wanted to avoid rehashing. But STTNG
has had a series of Vulcan characters in it, just no recurring one.

Chuck
From: adamsf@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG Bumper Sticker Sighted!
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:31:49 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Jul23.005729.10584@ux1.cts.eiu.edu>, cfsje@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Susan Eisenhour) writes:
> I have one that says: "Romulan Military Academy".
> Makes a nice contrast when one lives in a college town.
> Got mine at a con in Des Moines & haven't seen one since.


It appears that the only way to get these stickers and other decent
ST items is to go to a con?  Is there no place I can shop for two
generations of ST fans??????
From: mueller@cage.eng.mcmaster.ca (Edna Mueller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Star Trek heaven
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:16:05 GMT
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada

lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:

>In article <1992Jul30.152232.6535@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>, mueller@cage.eng.
>mcmaster.ca (Edna Mueller) writes:
>
>> Ha!  Here in Toronto we get Star Trek even more!
>> 
>> 12 TNG episodes and at least 3 TOS episodes.
>For us dish owners, how much of this is on CBC? I can get about three or four
>CBC feeds on my dish, but I don't watch enough to really have an idea of
>what's on when. I know that I can catch The Streets Of San Francisco early
>Sunday morning, and I USED to get The Man From Uncle and The Prisoner really
>early on Sunday morning, but no more. Could you post the times of the
>Star Trek episodes that are on CBC?

Toronto's CBC station, CBLT, does not show ST:TNG, but only TOS.
Times are Saturdays at 11am EST (usually). Also on Saturdays at 10 am
on CKVR, a CBC afflicate from Barrie, Ontario, a.k.a. the weed and seed
channel.  They also show programs like Voyage to the Bottem of the Sea,
Lost in Space and other old gems like that.  The other TOS episode is
shwon on a Buffalo channel.  CBLT sometimes shows TOS episodes after
midnight, but that's been erratic.

>Thanks!

Your welcome.

				Schmeby
					    mueller@cage.eng.mcmaster.ca
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From: smneyln@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Michael Neylon)
Subject: Re: Friendly little poker games?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: 22 Jul 1992 08:33 EST  

In article <1992Jul21.172527.11312@cs.sfu.ca>, kenward@cs.sfu.ca (Kenward Chin) writes...
>
>Well, how about including Worf, Picard, and Crusher into the game?  Ok, let's
>rephrase the problem:
> 
>In a no-holds barred poker tournament involving every "regular" (you can
>interpret this yourself) member of the Enterprise crew, what would the final
>ranking be?
> 
1. Geordi  (can see thru cards, knows EXACTLY what is out there...)
2. Data (can 'count' (follow the exact position of cards) can be fooled by
		trick deals...)
3. Deanna (can read mind ex. Data's)
4. Riker (Poker Face)
5. Worf (one emotion, difficult to judge)
6. Bev (good stategic player)
7. Jean-Luc (he cant hide his bluff!)

4+5 are close. If O'brien wsa include, I would put him in this range as well.
-----

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