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From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Planning babies
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:52:36 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <19930105102654SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>, Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com> writes:
> I always heard parents talk about getting that potty training done
> before the next child arrived.  It never bothered me (still doesn't)
> if I'd have two children in diapers at one time.  I figure I'd rather
> the diaper time overlap and be shorter overall than get it all over
> with and then start over.  Am I the only person who thinks this way?


No, Tamara, I too can't really understand the toilet training goal in spacing. 
For one thing, unless you are going to space your kids 3 1/2  years apart or
more, toilet training is (in my experience) not a discrete enough process that
you can depend on child #1 being completely trained.  Given the upheaval that a
new baby brings, it is almost a cliche to expect some backsliding from the
elder sibling.  My son was 2 yrs 9 months and we didn't bother worrying about
training before or for a few months after his sister was born.  Worked out
fine; the week of his third birthday he got training (some people got religion,
he got the potty concept :) and everything was fine.

So no, I don't see pinning family planning on the older being fully trained
unless you are thinking of a big gap.

Ann Helmers 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: js@cs.tulane.edu (Jan Silbermann)
Subject: Re: Disposables question
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-17772]: caesar
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:02:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.020859.2927@cbnewse.cb.att.com> elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
>In article <29513@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>> > cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
>> >How are you supposed to check if those water-tight, "stay dry"
>> >disposables have urine in them without fully undressing the poor kid?
>>
>> There are four ways I use:
>>    --slip hand on top of diaper.  If it's warm, it's newly wet.
>>    --slip finger in diaper.  Feel diaper
>>    --feel diaper--if it feels bulky and full, it's wet
>>    --for pooper diapers, I can often smell them, or can see the
>>      poopers at the edge of the leg, just waiting to ooze out and get
>>      everything dirty.    (don't ask why we have 'pooper' diapers and
>>      not 'poopy' diapers at our house :-)--
>
>Another way (easier after some experience) is looking for subtle changes
>in color/texture just below the plastic outer liner.  As the moisture

 My "Right Start" or "One Step Ahead" catalogue had a device that is an
 liquid crystal display that you are supposed to be able to press
 against the diaper and see how wet it is, even through clothes. I think
 it was about $10, but if you are lazy like me, it may be worth investing
 in.
   Jan Silbermann
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Fertility and frequency
Date: 11 Jan 1993 21:24:39 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: classy.jpl.nasa.gov
Keywords: Sperm

In article <11JAN199314143099@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov> goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
>>In article <srheault.726691339@cunews> srheault@alfred.carleton.ca (Steven Rheault Kihara) writes:
>>>My wife and I have been trying for some months now to start a family,
>>>and we have been at the receiving end of a barrage of advice from
>>>friends. The one point that no-one can agree on is how long we should
>>>be waiting between attempts during her fertile days.
>>>To put a fine point on it, how long does it take for sperm to build up
>>>after they are released? Should we wait 24 hours? 48 hours? Are there
>>>enough sperm to try again the same day?
>>>
>> 
>Back in the days when we were making babies, we were told every other
>day was optimum, to assure there would a large concentration of
>sperm in the semen. Sorry this is not what you wanted to hear. 8-)


Thats what I have heard too. Also, wear loose fitting underwear and pants,
avoid hot baths, jacuzzis, etc. But, this is important when the mans sperm
count is marginal. There are plenty of people out there going at it like
bunnies, and reproducing like bunnies too. The original poster should consider
having his sperm count checked. It is a fairly easy procedure to check out
a mans sperm count, motility, etc.

Laura Floom
From: vicki@mathcs.emory.edu (Vicki Powers)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Breastfeed, Go to Jail (Was: Protecting your family...)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 09:39:02 -0500
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS
NNTP-Posting-Host: emory.mathcs.emory.edu

In article <1993Jan6.232313.19989@newstand.syr.edu>, kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
> I can vouch for that article since I live in Onondaga County and saw the
> original story in the local papers.
> 
> HOWEVER...(you knew that if I was writing there had to be a "however,"
> didn't you)...let's get a little perspective on this.
> 
> What do I mean?  Very simple...in *one* place, *one* hairball public
> official was stupid enough to charge a woman who was breastfeeding with
> child abuse, and was then pigheaded enough to not back down once it
> should've been obvious to all that it was all a mistake.  Does this have the
> markings of a trend?

Keith, I think you're missing the point.  That woman lost her child for a
year!  Simply because she asked if it is normal to become aroused during
breastfeeding (it is, by the way).  (Are we talking about the same story?)
The point is that the "hairball public official" had the power to take her 
child away and it took a year of legal battles for her to get the child back.  
I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who would disagree with the 
way my daughter is being raised, that doesn't bother me.  What frightens me is 
that some of them may have the power to take my daughter away from me.



  Vicki


-- 
Vicki  Powers       |  When a student reads in a math book that there are no
Emory University    |  absolutes, suddenly every value he's been taught is
Dept of Math and CS |  destroyed.  And the next thing you know, the student
Atlanta, GA 30322   |  turns to crime and drugs. - Mel Gabler
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: glenda@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us (Glenda F. Andre')
Subject: Disruptive behaviour (was: kid book recommendation request - divorce)
Organization: GREX Public Access Unix +1 313 761 3000
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:12:22 GMT

>andy rogers <rogers@ial3.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:
>> 
>> the boy is in 3rd grade just beginning to read short chaptered books. he has
>> always been 'diagnosed' as mildly disruptive. sometimes he experiences great
>> anxiety at what would seem to be minor catalysts for such emotions,
>> especially for his age. difficulty concentrating in school, test anxiety at
>> even simple quizzes, but very sharp and good learner. (the other day after
>> being extremely upset he told his mom he felt like his whole world was
>> ripped in half)
>> 
My son is also in the 3rd grade and we have had problems with him being
disruptive at home and in class.  I have problems getting him to listen to/
obeying me.  Sometimes he is worse than others.  During the period between
Thanksgiving and New Years we finally put 2 and 2 together and got 4 (well
maybe 3.9999 :-).

Just after Thanksgiving life got very hectic around here.  Because of time
demands I didn't do any real grocery shopping and meals became "go to the
store for nuke food or the local fast food place".  Damon went into a real
bad time for behavior.  The school principal asked to talk to me (things
had been going great this year and it was the first time, last year we had
real problems til the end of the year).  After talking with her and his
teacher I had come to the conclusion that I would have to find counseling
for him (especially since my parents had real problems with him during the
two weeks they took the kids camping over the summer, after raising 6 kids
of their own they still couldn't handle him).  My husband and I were talking
it over a day or so later and a light bulb went off.  That past day or so
we hadn't had any problems.  That past day or so I had been cooking in my
usual, from scratch - no pre-prepared foods, manner.  The time period with
all the problems was when we were eating almost exclusively pre-prepared
foods, and my parents use a lot of pre-packaged stuff.

So during the 2 weeks of no school over the Christmas holiday we experimented.
Sure enough, on the days we cooked packaged stuff or went out for fast food
we had problems with him later that day or the next.  When we cooked from
scratch at home, no problems.  The poor kid is sensitive to food additives
and just can't seem to control his behavior while under their influence.  I
now have to watch labels even closer than I normally do.  I just thank the
gods that the only real pre-package crutch I have is Golden Grains Macaroni
and Cheese and the occasional canned good (tomato products, beets and spinach).

Maybe this mom should do a little looking into her cooking habits and do a
bit of experimenting or ask the boys Dr about the possibility and testing.

Glenda Andre'  mom to Damon 3/12/84 and Staci 8/22/87


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sasdvp@unx.sas.com (David V. Phillips)
Subject: Re: Earrings (WAS: Re: A few facts about circumcision)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:08:53 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:

>That's because clip-on and screw-on earrings, unlike pierced earrings,
>are terribly painful for most (but not all) people to wear.

>Which is stranger--a moment of pain and then painless pierced earrings,
>or continual pain for as long as earrings are worn? You decide.
>Obviously the current fashion is to choose the shorter pain.

>Why people are willing to undergo pain for beauty is a whole other topic,
>but the pain of wearing high heeled shoes is more significant than
>either sort of earrings, and rather less voluntary in many jobs.

Hey, it wasn't much more than a momentary discomfort when I got my ear
pierced!  In fact, it hurts more when the Red Cross does the finger
prick for hematocrit checking prior to blood donation.

Well, at least I don't have to wear high-heeled shoes for my job ;-)

--
David Phillips  sasdvp@unx.sas.com  SAS Institute, Inc., Cary, NC
"They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety". -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
"Gun control is being able to hit your target." -- Me.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Common Sense and Participation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:15:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>in article <208@dpfe.UUCP> David R Huddleston Sr announces:
>
>Come on people!!  After reading many posts here, it seem to me that the
>only thing needed is common sense.  Corporal punishment??  Pick your
>battles!!  Which shirt to wear, or what to eat doesn't matter. Using
>drugs and alcohol does!
>
>I have been involved in EVERY activity each of my 3 children are in.  I
>am a Scoutmaster, gymnastics judge, Band parent, School Parent, etc,
>etc..  I have seen over the past 13 years, a major lack of concern by
>the "professional" parents of today.  Send the kids to daycare,
>latchkey, "let's go party - the kids will be fine", etc..  Then the
>wonder why in the heck their kids get into trouble.
>
>Kids need alot of attention and love.  If you show them the love, and
>give them a warm and secure home, most of the "problems" of today go
>away.  I have had several children in Scouts, which were
>"uncontrollable" in school and at home, but after a few meetings, they
>quickly learned that I wouldn't put up with crap, and they were great
>kids after that.  Everyone thought I'd worked a miracle, and all I did
>was set the rules and show them I cared.
>
>As a parent, it is your JOB to do this, and if all you care about is a
>new house and car, then don't have kids!!!!!
>
>
>$
>
 
I think someone has had too much caffeine. :)
 
TAMARA
(Not that I disagree with his opinions, but a lot can be said for
 method of delivery when presenting one's opinions.)
From: dtan@library.carleton.ca (Denize Tan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: gifts for baby shower
Date: 6 Jan 1993 11:10:02 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hi Netters

A friend of mine is expecting her very first child late February
and I am having a baby shower for her. Since I do not have children
of my own and do not have much to do with kids can anyone give me
some ideas of possible gifts for the mother-to-be.

Please post reply to the net or e-mail me at the address below.
Thanks
-- 
Denize Tan, Carleton University Library
dtan@library.carleton.ca
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: MUSIC IN LABOUR
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:17:09 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

> steph@luvmycats.oerth (Stephanie Wilkie) writes:
>Has anyone out there brought music (tape recorder or
>radio) into the labour room with them to help them
>cope/relax, whatever?
>
>Anyway, I'm just wondering if it really helps to
>relax you or is it more irritating and distracting?

This made me laugh.  I had my husband bring his portable tape player
home from work so we could bring it to the hospital while I was in
labor.  We started a tape, and I think it played constantly for the
entire time I was in labor until well after delivery, with us hardly
being aware of it.  I don't think we ever changed tapes!

You know, I wonder if _that's_ why the nurses hardly ever came in.
All this time I thought it was because we had a doula and they didn't
think we need them.  Perhaps it's because they didn't like country
music--or at least not the same 90 minute tape played over and over
again for 14 consecutive hours!

--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gbalzano@black.clarku.edu (Guy David BAlzano)
Subject: Re: What to do with 12 yr olds in Boston
Organization: Clark University (Worcester, MA)
Distribution: ne
Date:  5 Jan 93 02:16:54 GMT

	The Hard Rock Cafe is always a hit!  The Childrens' Musem is a
great place also.

		Balz@umassmed.ummed.edu
		gbalzano@vax.clarku.edu

			Guy       
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M17257@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Disposables question
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:34:58 GMT

In article <16B53A398.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com>
CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Teresa Creech) writes:
 
>
>In article <CINDY.93Jan10151654@solan10.solan.unit.no>
>cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
>
>>A while back i was baby-sitting for a friend.  Until now all my
>>baby-sitting experience has been with kids in cloth diapers or kids
>>who are already toilet trained, so this was the first time i've spent
>>a whole evening caring for someone in disposable diapers.  I just have
>>one simple question, which is probably going to amuse someone, but
>>which i really want to know the answer to before the next time i have
>>Sunniva on my own for a while.
>>
>>How are you supposed to check if those water-tight, "stay dry"
>>disposables have urine in them without fully undressing the poor kid?
>>
>>-Cindy Kandolf
>> cindy@solan.unit.no
>> Trondheim, Norway
>>
>
>If the child isn't fussy (bothered by the wet diaper), stinky (with either
>#1 or #2), and the diaper isn't falling off from the weight of the urine,
>leave well enough alone and don't change the baby.
>Teres
 
I disagree strongly!  That's how babies get diaper rashes.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mma@bellcore.com ()
Subject: Cute(?) things they say (3.5yr)
Reply-To: mma@bellcore.com ()
Organization: Bellcore, Morristown NJ
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 17:07:14 GMT
Originator: mma@pegasus

I was at a Christmas-specialty store with my 3.5yr
daughter (there were two other people in the store
at the time).  My daughter walks over to a 3ft animated
Santa figure and saids "look mom, a big santa", proceeded
to roll her eyes, shake her head while saying "Jesus Christ"
in "total disgusted voice"

(lesson to be learned:  I really got to be a bit more 
careful on what I say when I am disgusted/frustrated in 
the presense of a 3.5yr old)
-- 
---------------------------------------------------
Mary M. Lau	      Bellcore
MRE 2J-297     	      Email: mma@aries.bellcore.com
445 South st.           Tel: (201) 829-4632
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory)
Subject: Re: Yet another solid foods question
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:37:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.054004.10426@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>Rice is considered to be one of the foods most kids don't have an allergy
>for, just as you have guessed.  Both rice and oatmeal are good for
>roughage, but oatmeal is higher in fiber content and therefore will
>pass more easily through the digestive system, whereas rice tends to
>bind and constipate more, unless there is significant amounts of water
>to flush out the rice, but most babies won't drink lots of water.  The
>rice, coupled with the formula, really does the number on a baby.  As
>a help, if you're breast-feeding, mix some of the rice or oatmeal with
>breast milk.  Breast milk really aids in better digestion.  It certainly
>made the difference in our two boys.

Rice is really constipating. And even if it's mixed with breastmilk it
can gum a baby right up. My doctor suggested having prunes at the
ready. Sure enough, Beth's first solid food was rice cereal mixed
with breastmilk and her second solid food was prunes. It works and
she liked them too. Banana is constipating too. Welcome to the wonderful
world of solids and of examing every dirty diaper to see if you
should be fiddling with the diet :-). It does settle down though and
after a while they just eat normal diets, and you can ignore the
grim details of the diaper contents. The longer you wait to introduce
solids, the shorter the finicky-digestive-system phase appears to be,
or maybe it's just that the kind of parents who hold off also fuss
less over what comes out.

Kate

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: Followup on My Difficult 2 month old
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:31:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.203320.1773@oakhill.sps.mot.com> amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp) writes:
>
>How do you handle this?  This is not simple crying, this is gasping,
>shieking, thin wails of pain and suffering.  The only thing is that
>it is consolable with breastfeeding and backpatting.  Has anyone else
>had this, where the dr assures you the baby is fine but she still
>cries so terribly?  WHEN DOES IT END?????
>-- 
Our daughter is like this but for much shorter periods of time and is
becoming less like this each month.

When she was tired the only person she could be with was my wife.
She was able to wail for as long as it would take to get her mother
back to her.
At 3 months we tried to go see a movie. We had appetizers first and
went to the theatre. We called and the baby was crying but progress
was being made, according to my mother. 20 minutes later we called
and the crying was continuing so we got our money back and went home.
That was about 1.5 hours of crying. When we got home Caitlin
stopped crying and smiled as soon as she saw her mother.
All we could do during these months was to give the baby what she
wanted.

As well, I believe that the parents suffer more than the babies who are
crying do. They are reacting to their environment but probably are 
not "suffering" as such.

I guess it ends when the babies ready. Maybe tommorrow. Probably in
a few months.

Mike N.


>Amy Moseley Rupp			Mother to Elizabeth AnneMarie,
>amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com		born 11/4/92 
>(512) 329-7117				
>
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Childproofing (NOT!)
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:00:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: nope

In article <1993Jan8.173509.6225@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>
>I used to have fun with the child lock on the toilet. >:-> (that is supposed
>to be an evil grin). It was fun seeing how long it took people to figure it 
>out, or gave up and came looking for me. The record was held by best friend,
>also a mom - though she had never seen that particular lock. My neighbor,
>the architect gave up and asked. My boyfriend (now husband) took surprisingly
>long for an engineer. 
>
>I cant wait to put it back on in a year or so >;->

I haven't installed cabinet locks in the new kitchen cabinets.
Mostly because I haven't geared up to risk messing up the
semi-custom frames.  Of course, I haven't installed handles yet,
for substantially the same reason 8-)  (BTW, the cabinets were
installed just about 3 years ago.  Basically, no work of any sort
has happened in that kitchen since Tarin was born, but that's
another story)

Last weekend, we were informed by Joan's cousin that he had very
scrupulously installed such latches in his kitchen.  Did they
deter his 2 year old?  Not at all; Brian David simply grabbed the
handles and ripped the latches out of the frames...

Tarin is strong enough to accomplish this kind of thing herself, she just
hasn't had the opportunity.


In re toilets:  Tarin likes to flush them, and is very proud of
herself when she manages use the toilet without assistance of any
sort.  Unfortunately, there are times in our house when flushing
is inappropriate (requesting too much volume causes the pump to
lose prime).  And then there was last night, in which I heard a
scream from the downstairs bathroom.  Seems Tarin has used the
facility, and was attempting to flush.  But she didn't know that
I had taken that fixture out of service, pending purchase of a
repair part.  As near as I could tell, she thought *she'd* broken
it, and broken things make her very unhappy, regardless of fault.

We don't use toilet locks, since the dog knows it can get fresh
water there.  The cat no longer needs water.


-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
From: mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cheap lambies?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 14:08:45 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: global
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu

I posted this on Christmas day but I figure a bunch of readers were gone
and had it expire unread, so forgive the repetition:

I'm looking for a source for inexpensive whole wooly lambskins.  6 years
back when Anne was born, they were going for around $60 but the hospital
gift shop had a shipment they let go for $35 each, which made it do-able,
and it was a great thing to have - anne still has it.  With #2 child in
fabrication right now, I want to get another but the prices are still up
there in the $60-$70 range - but I hear of folks getting lower prices
here and there.  Anybody know a dependable source for these at under
$60?  Any New Zealand/Aussie readers have an inside track on this?

--
paul marxhausen .... ....... ............. ............ ............ .......... 
 .. . .  . . . university of nebraska - lincoln .  . . .. . .  .. . . . . . . .
 .     .    .  .   .     .   .  .    .   .  .   .    .   .  grace .   .    .  . 
   .         .       .      .        .        .      .        .   happens .
From: ellenb@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Ellen Boyle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How do you get a 7 month old to stay still!!!
Date: 8 Jan 1993 22:59:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: diva.berkeley.edu


I've diapered many babies in my time and the easist
method I've found for a squirmer is to use your forearm
for restraint, elbow towards the baby's chin, gentle
but firm pressure from chest to belly.  You can use your
other arm and hand for the changing with some help from
your other hand which is right near the tabs or pins.
It takes some practice but always worked for me.

Ellen