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From: gt7303b@prism.gatech.EDU (Troy Lee)
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: jeeeeze
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:00:13 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

cs101e77@dcl-nxt11.cso.uiuc.edu (cs101 student) writes:

>Of course I would want to get raped.  How any man could turn down sex  
>(unless it was an ugly bitch) I don't understand.  I'd want to fuck a  

If you don't understand then here is a brief outline to help:

    I.) catching AIDS or some other sexually transmitted disease isn't 
        entirely unlikely.
   II.) if you're involved in a relationship with someone else
        (and you obviously aren't) looking to get raped can: 
            a.) give your girlfriend/wife the impression that
                you want to fuck other women.
            b.) severly damage the emotional state of your
                girlfriend/wife (and anyone else close to you).
            c.) transmit any sexual disease to your girlfriend/
                wife that you caught from the rapist(s).
  III.) serious violence can accompany the rape.
            a.) small scratches
            b.) bruises
                   1.) yellow
                   2.) purple
            c.) your brains blown out all over the place because
                   1.) the rapist(s) don't want you to go to the cops.
                   2.) the rapist(s) just wanna have fun.
                                    .
                                    .
                                    .
                                 (ect...)

Mabye you're getting the general idea now, it really isn't that hard.


>chick if she asked me and if she was O.K.-looking, and any man who says  
>otherwise is lying.  I'd love getting fucked forcefully by a female.

And as stated in an earlier post, if "the chick asked you" then it isn't   
rape.

Troy
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From: dude@losers.hacktic.nl
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: hell yeah
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:13:01 GMT
Organisation: black mail inc.

In article  <BzBK03.9o8@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, cs101 student writes:

 C> Of course I would want to get raped.  
 
 By a man ?
From: gt8834a@prism.gatech.EDU (Cott Lang)
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: Rape Law Reform
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:02:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <1992Dec15.035417.22754@sequent.com> huggett@sequent.com (Terri Huggett) writes:

>This argument really caught my attention.  I had to think about why I had a
>big problem with this thinking.  In fact, I believe the reason rape is 
>differentiated from other violent crime is just BECAUSE society considers
>it to be part of NORMAL relations, NOT because is is hard to distinguish
>from normal relations.  There is a big difference.

If that were true, rape would be legal.

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From: boserj@netcom.com (Jeffrey Boser)
Subject: Re: hell yeah
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:47:59 GMT

cs101e77@dcl-nxt11.cso.uiuc.edu (cs101 student) writes:
>Of course I would want to get raped.  How any man could turn down sex  
>(unless it was an ugly bitch) I don't understand.  I'd want to fuck a  
>chick if she asked me and if she was O.K.-looking, and any man who says  
>otherwise is lying.  I'd love getting fucked forcefully by a female.

so I am a lier.  <shrug>  Im not going to live down to your
standards, just because I happen to have a penis.

but then again, I have always operated under the heretical belief
that making love involved more than inserting tab a into slot b.

....jeff
From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Words of the Weak
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:37:39 -0500

Hmmm ...

You are all MEAT to be fucked ! Don't over-rate yourselves. We care
nothing for your assertations of rights or inalienable personhood. 
We want your form and don't want any BS about it. 

Whining about 'rights' is the position of weakings. The truth is
that women lack the essential authority to stand up and count as
individuals to be counted. Your failure to assert yourselves in
real-life situations, your passivity in forceful encounters, your
total weakness in the face of aggression ... these traits doom
you to second-class status. 

Do you have 'feelings' ? Who cares ? Do you have 'thoughts' ? 
Who cares ? Do you have 'skills' ? Who cares ? What value are
the claims of wimpish weaklings ? None at all. We shall have our
way with you - and enjoy ourselves. You can debate whether our
motives are 'assult' or 'sexual' until you turn blue --- the fact
is that we just want some ass and don't care a whit how we get
it. Until you can face us on our own terms - we arent' going to
give you any respect. Violence and coercion work. No denying it. 

So what say ye ? I present a non-politically-correct perspective
on human relations. Your PC revisionism is a total waste of effort. 
The law of the jungle applies now and always and you are too
fearful, too shy, too incompetant to do anything about it. Force
rules - always has, always will. Abandon all hope ye who enter here. (!)
From: gt8834a@prism.gatech.EDU (Cott Lang)
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: Let's Move On Again.
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:03:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <1gj3s4INNb1v@mozz.unh.edu> rll1@kepler.unh.edu (Robert L Lamothe) writes:

>references of young people. As you get older your peer group expands to include
>people several years your senior or junior in age.  It is my experience with
>adolescents that what they know and what they think they know are two different
>things.  I don't think a young boy should have to face criminal charges for

To me, it seems like regardless of your age, you tend to think you know
everything.  Age is irrelevant.  The same thought process of "I know
it all" goes on in an 80 year old that goes on in a 15 year old.  It's
just the 80 year olds feel more justified. 

>sexual experimentation, however beyond a certain point this is no longer
>experimentation.  16 and 17 year olds while they may not have the emotional
>maturity to deal with adult sexuality certainly are aware of what they are
>doing.

Are they, or aren't they?   You just said people that age aren't aware
enough to give consent, yet now you're saying they're aware enough to
know what they're doing... which is it?   You can't have it both ways.
If they know what they're doing at 16, then they can give consent AND
be responsible. If they DONT know what they're doing at 16, then they
can't give consent and also couldn't be held responsible.  Which is it?

>	Here I agree, although one of the points to consider is that women
>get pregnant, not men.  I know several women who've raised children of an
>early pregnancy with no assistance whatsoever from the biological father.
>I agree that statutory rape laws are unfair but they're part of a whole
>big problem and not just an isolated situation.  I believe that statutory
>rape laws were enacted as a form of birth control,an "if he's gonna' get 
>arrested, he's gonna' keep it in his pants." kind of thing.  I think that
>there should be laws protecting the young and naive but they shouldn't be
>used just to enact revenge.

Yeah, one could consider that, but one could also consider abortion,
birth control, and a million other things that will bring every bible
thumper in this hemisphere out thumping, so I won't even touch it. :)

When it comes down to it, to me, there's no difference.  I'm all for
equal rights, but I want them equal, not better than.  There's
no reason a female committing a crime shouldn't receive equal punishment.


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From: sawallcj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: TEST POST: PLEASE DISREGARD!!!!
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:02:04 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

test post: please disregard!!!!
From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Subject: Re: Rape Reform Laws
Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Biological Sciences.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:05:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.152927.25369@bnr.ca> grey@bnr.ca (Grey) writes:
>
>
>
>This may be hard to take, but it has exactly the same *possible* bearing as the
>criminal history of the defendant:
>
>Prosecution: They've committed X crime before, we claim they did so again
>Defence:     They've consented to X before, we claim they did so again
>
   Unless I am mistaken, criminal history is never admissable.

>Does the history affect the FACT of whether X was committed/consented? NO! Of
>course not. Does it affect the probability? The courts give a qualified yes.
   
   A prosecution based on probability is doomed to fail. Any measure of
probabilit is not beyond a shodow of reasonable doubt, and  any lawyer
should be able to cruch any such charge.
   But of course, probability can work for the defense.

DanZ

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From: peace@igc.apc.org
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: Rape Law Reform
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:15:00 GMT
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I agree completely. Women need to speak as a unified voice, sometimes
it just makes me crazy that we tolerate some of the crap that passes
for justice.
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From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Subject: Re: Rape Reform Laws
Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Biological Sciences.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:24:04 GMT

In article <mcgeegt.921215044423@eng.auburn.edu> mcgeegt@eng.auburn.edu (Gary T. McGee) writes:
>
>Now, for me, I cannot see how a woman's sexual history has any bearing on a rape trial. Even if she is a prostitute. I have also read the various arguments and had to laugh. The one about the purse snatcher was especially amusing.
>
    Think of it this way. You are a sexually active male. You have what you
believe to be clearly consentual sex with a woman who later charges you with
rape. What will your defense be? 
   Are you willing to go to prison to uphold the principle that her sexual
history is not relevant? She can provide DNA tests to prove _you_ were the
one who had sex with her. She can testify that she resisted and/or failed
to give consent. Are you going to limit your defense to "Did not!"?

DanZ

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From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Subject: Re: Rape Law Reform
Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Biological Sciences.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:46:18 GMT

In article <mcgeegt.921213040105@eng.auburn.edu> mcgeegt@eng.auburn.edu (Gary T. McGee) writes:
>I belive that a good way to reform rape laws is to set precedents in court. This is unfortunately very hard as most lawyers will tell you.
>
>A problem in the courtroom is that women generally have to take the stand and their sexual history comes up as evidence. I do not understand it. I think if rape was tried as a crime of violence and not a sex crime, then it would be less traumatic to the victim. The lives of victims of other crimes don't usually go on display.
>

   Even as an ideal, I'm not sure this is such a good idea. You don't want
to comprimise the defense. The defendant may claim that the sex was consentual.
If there is any doubt about this, then the sexual history of the accuser is
very relevant. It is certainly unfourtunate for a rape victim, but I don't
see any way to fairly avoid the situation.
   It would be much better is the stigma attached to rape could be reduced
or removed. In that case, victims would have less problem testifying.


>I would like to see the day when a woman can testify without having her sexual history brought up. If we find a judge that will disallow that kind of questioning then we have our precedent. I hope it happens, but I fear that it won't.
>
   So, for example, if a prostitute tries to extort additional money from a
man with threats of rape accusations, and it goes to trial; you say that the
defence should not be allowed to ask questions or provide evidence that she
was in fact a prostitute?

   The difference I think between rape and other violent crimes is that rape
looks like normal social relations unless there is evidence to the contrary.
I can't say that a person agreed to let me hit them with a baseball bat. That
wouldn't be any defense at all. 

DanZ

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From: cjohnson@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Carrie L Johnson)
Subject: Re: Advice from my father
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 05:46:28 GMT


In response to your response to my post asking aboutebing public as a survivor,
you responded as to say that you were not personally a survivor but that you
were queer and related the two as such......

Thanks, cause I am also queer, and damn proud of it!!!!

thanks!
cj
From: simon@fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de (Julia Simon)
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: Rape Law Reform
Date: 14 Dec 1992 11:51:28 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft Computerlinguistik, U of Saarland, FRG
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dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis) writes:
>    Even as an ideal, I'm not sure this is such a good idea. You don't want
> to comprimise the defense. The defendant may claim that the sex was consentual.
> If there is any doubt about this, then the sexual history of the accuser is
> very relevant. It is certainly unfourtunate for a rape victim, but I don't
> see any way to fairly avoid the situation.

OH MY GOD - that's just not fair!!! I mean, if someone steals my purse or
something, then it's illegal even if I'm known to happily spend all my money
for everybody I meet!

But if I'm raped and somebody finds out I've had 3 boyfriends during the last
3 years I'm guilty. ARRGH

> I can't say that a person agreed to let me hit them with a baseball bat. That
> wouldn't be any defense at all. 

What if this person is a masochist?

And what if somebody signs me a paper with the following contents: "As I don't
want to live anymore but am not brave enough to commit suicide I herewith hire
this person for killing me", and I kill him/her - am I guilty of murder?

Is it possible that our laws are kind of strange?

			Julia 8-)

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From: sawallcj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Rape Law Reform
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:23:15 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

I just wrote a paper on rape laws for one of my classes and it made me so
angry!  Does anyone know what we can do?  Who do we talk to?  There has to be a
way to make our voices heard.  Women cannot contine to be victimized over and
over again by the courts.  Is there anyone else who feels strongly about this?
From: sawallcj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Survivor Re: Advice from my father
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:17:07 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

Carrie,
I just read your letter regarding the assault you have experienced in your
life.  As a survivor of rape I know the pain and possibly guilt you feel.  I'm
not really sure of just what I wanted to write to you, but I felt this need to
write something.  At least something to let you know that there are others who
do know how you feel.  You mentioned speaking out in your letter.  Do you feel
the need to speak out?  I sure do!  I was raped almost 3 years ago (it will be
3 years on Dec. 15).  I'm just now really coming to terms with what happened. 
I've become involved with organizations on campus here where I will hopefully
be doing some talks both in classrooms and also residence halls.  I'm very open
about the rape here, but when it comes to my family, that's another story.  I
had planned on telling my parents when I was visiting them over Thanksgiving
break.  I ended up not telling them simply because I don't want them to worry
about me any more than they already do.  I did talk to my sister and that went
really well.  She was very supportive of my dicision to speak out on campus. 
If you feel the need to talk ever feel free to contact me.  I would definately
be willing to share more with you.  

For anyone else who may be reading this, what do you feel about this?  Do you
think it is a problem and if so who's problem is it?  What can be done so that
women won't have to feel afraid?  I would love to hear anyones comments and
ideas on this.  Also, for any other survivors out there I'd like to hear from
you too, either in private or public.  We need to support each other!

Cari

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From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: Female Rapists
Organization: The Cat Factory
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:32:47 GMT

In <1g1i0nINN2or@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> cpluis@cats.ucsc.edu (Mulatto) writes:

}>just a thought, wouldn't males like to be raped by women.  I mean how can you
}>refuse an offer like that, unless it puts you on a very risky position like if
}>the woman has aids or something.
}>Keep in mind that a typical male wouldn't say that he was raped, instead he
}>would say that he had sex with a "bitch".  sorry to use this terminology but
}>that's exactly what my friends would say.
}>cp

Walking down the street at night you're grabbed from behind and dragged
into the depths of a dark alley.  You're confronted by a 300 lb. woman who
hasn't bathed in at least a month, has a face like an unmade bed and
breath that would stop a moose at 20 feet.  She puts a gun to your head, a
straight razor to your crotch and says "Get it up or lose it!"

Somehow you manage to "get it up." She has her way with you, slashes your
face to give you a souvenir of the experience, clubs you unconscious and
leaves you lying in the muck.

When you finally get to an emergency room, you test positive for several
venereal diseases and lice.  Your slashed face requires stitches to close
and will be permanently scarred.  You try to tell the doctors and police
what happened and they find it very amusing.  They laugh at you.

Eventually, the police track down the woman from your description.  She
claims _you_ raped _her_.  The authorities look at you with suspicion,
investigate you thoroughly, but finally drop the case for lack of evidence
either way.

Three months later, you test positive for HIV.


That is rape.  Still think you'd enjoy it?


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From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Subject: Re: Rape Law Reform
Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Biological Sciences.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:36:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.172315.2793@cnsvax.uwec.edu> sawallcj@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>I just wrote a paper on rape laws for one of my classes and it made me so
>angry!  Does anyone know what we can do?  Who do we talk to?  There has to be a
>way to make our voices heard.  Women cannot contine to be victimized over and
>over again by the courts.  Is there anyone else who feels strongly about this?
>
   Why not post the paper here? It isn't much, but it is a start. I'm sure
some people will have idea.

DanZ


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From: tb13@ellis.uchicago.edu (leon joel gross)
Subject: Re: Rape Law Reform
Reply-To: tb13@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:30:54 GMT

In article <mcgeegt.921213040105@eng.auburn.edu> mcgeegt@eng.auburn.edu (Gary T. McGee) writes:
>I belive that a good way to reform rape laws is to set precedents in court. This is unfortunately very hard as most lawyers will tell you.

>A problem in the courtroom is that women generally have to take the stand and their sexual history comes up as evidence. I do not understand it. I think if rape was tried as a crime of violence and not a sex crime, then it would be less traumatic to the victim. The lives of victims of other crimes don't usually go on display.

I'm not a lawyer or a law student, but I believe the above is simply false.
Many states have a 'rape shield law', in which prior sexual history is
inadmissible as evidence.

And the victims of other crimes DO have their lives on display if the crime
is in the context of family, friendship, etc.  

>I would like to see the day when a woman can testify without having her sexual history brought up. If we find a judge that will disallow that kind of questioning then we have our precedent. I hope it happens, but I fear that it won't.

That day is already here in many states. In both the Kennedy and Tyson 
'date-rape' trials, the sexual past of the females were not admissible. 

>Gary

Leon Gross
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From: holzman@d0gslb.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman)
Subject: Re: Man rapes Man
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:10:52 GMT
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In article <mcgeegt.921215210742@eng.auburn.edu>, mcgeegt@eng.auburn.edu (Gary 
T. McGee) writes:
> Does anyone know of a case where a man raped another man?
> 
> If so, please let me know the circumstances and how the case turned out.

Lots of cases.  Circumstances range from parent molesting child to prison rape
to man going out drinking with his boss, passing out, and waking up being
raped.  I don't know of a single case reported to the police.

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