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From: rob7673@cuphub.cup.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow Part II
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:28:23 GMT
Organization: California University of Pennsylvania, California, PA

In article <1992Sep24.184028.26763@wdl.loral.com>, trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort) writes:
> In article <ewright.717288123@convex.convex.com>, ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
> |> In <92266.224703DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> |> >    Also, how long does it take a photon torpedo to reach the surface? 
> |> >That seemed awfully long.
> |> 
> |> The first torpedo reached the surface almost immediately.  You saw
> |> them going off as Picard was calling the Enterprise.  However, because
> |> they were time-phased, Picard was protected from their destructive
> |> effects and only saw the fireworks.  The time phasing on the last
> |> torpedoes must have been different, becuase the cavern itself went
> |> boom just after Picard was beamed on board.
> 
Picard didn't call the Enterprise.  Sensors detected a temporal disturbance,
then human life signs which told the crew the captain was back.  

>    It also appeared that Picard was fluctuating in his phase when
> he returned to the cavern. The aliens were sort of flickering in and
> out while he lay there, so when the torps started hiting, he was
> probably unaffected by them for the most part (of course what a phase
> shifted torp would do to you if you were phase-fluctuating is a
> guess at best).
> 
> -- Tim

I don't recall Picard fluctuating, and I just finished the episode 10 mins ago. 
The aliens were flickering, I think, because the torpedos had been altered to
specifically destroy their "time phase" (not _just_ the cavern); so they were
feeling the effects of having their time destroyed, effects that manifested
themselves visually.  Also, maybe the first torpedo didn't go all the way
through to the cavern.  Or the second.  Or the third.  By the time the final 
one made it through to finish off the cavern, Picard was safely on board.

Amy (.sig currently under construction)
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Subject: Re: TA2, Halley's Comet
From: rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins)
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:36:07 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <1992Sep29.170126.842@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu>, jfeldhouse@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu (Jim Feldhouse) writes:
> I was willing to forgive the whole Samual Clemens travels
> to the 24th century stuff just for the one small comment he
> made about Halley's Comet to Troi as he leaves the transporter room.
> 
> Sam says says something like, "Have you ever seen Halley's Comet?"
> 
> Sam was born when Halley's Comet appear around 1834.
> He died when in 1910, when it appeared again.
> I doubt he ever got to see.

     If I remember correctly, he was born on the day it was visible
where he was born. I remember seeing a movie about his life, and it has
his Father bringing him out as a newborn to see the comet. I think the
comet had significance throughout his life.

Later.......

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:24:18 EDT
From: Todd Bobenrieth <TAB129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Monday Night StarTrek

Neither is the current one. They are both repeats. Tonight SHOULD be the new
episode at 9pm, but the stinkin' Pirates are pre-empting it!!! Pray for a
washout at Three Rivers or we wait til the weekend to see it.
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From: mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy)
Subject: Return of the Archons - Times Arrow II
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:43:48 GMT



Possibly lame question about TA II and Return of the Archons.
Hit 'n' now if you don't want to get miffed!!!

Wasn't the same fellow who pointed out that Kirk & Company
were "not of the body" in "Return of the Archons" the
same guy who thought Riker was a phoney in "Times Arrow II"

Excuse me if this has been asked, but I just watched TA II
off of tape last night having been on vacation ...
-- 
Da mihi castitatem et continentiam, sed noli modo. 
Confessions of St. Augustine, Book VIII, Chapter 7
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From: glover@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric Glover)
Subject: Re: Data+Riker+Troi = Spock
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:48:41 GMT

In article <69970@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:

>
>*>captain		-- Picard (1st officer has fistfights, not captain)
This is a matter of both taste and situation.  Kirk _might_ not do
to well in TNG time and Piccard would *MOST CERTAINLY DIE* in
the 23rd century.

>*>first officer		-- Riker (or maybe Kirk, hmm...)
If ever there were a need for a No.1 I would suggest either Sulu
or Scotty. Kirk is over qualified and Riker is just lame. My personal
choice after really thinking it over again is Capt. Christopher
Pike from the pilot episode, now he is the ultimate No.1.

>*>chief science officer	-- Data
Data as science officer, NOT. The man (or android) that doesnt put
2 and 2 together as in "The Next Phase".  I have a strong
feeling at Spock would toast Data on Jeopardy as well as on the bridge.

>*>chief medical officer	-- Crusher
Sorry but The Order of Medical Skill has to be, 
McCoy-M'Benga-Polaski-Chappel-Crusher-Selar

>*>chief engineer		-- Scotty
No doubt. May MacDougal as asst. (first season's the Naked Now) or
Commander Logan (Arsenal of Freedom) or Geordi.

>*>chief of security	-- Yar
Maybe Chekov, they are both kind of interchangable. Even on the first
episode It was obvious this was female Chekov. Maybe even Ro here.

>*>tactical officer	-- Worf
yeah, probabaly.

>*>helm			-- Ro
Sulu would blow Ro out of the chair at helm.  

>*>transport chief	-- O'Brien
Doesnt matter, could as well be Barclay.

>*>ship's shrink		-- Troi
No. Not. How about cruise director, or relief bartender.  You could get a
Woody\Sam thing going there with the Captain of the Boseman and his wife at
the end of the bar.  Kirk and Wesley as Norm and Cliff respectively.
Replace Rebecca with Barclay and Lwaxana Troi as the Carla\Diana
combo character.
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From: lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: Time-loop flaw in Time's Arrow II
Organization: DSC
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:42:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.164427.20584@nmsu.edu>, ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIAM) writes:
> 
> Hi netters,
> 	Has anyone noticed a flaw in Time's Arrow II.  When Samuel Clemens
> comes to the enterprise, he sees his watch and someone (I think Geordi) tells
> him that they found it in the cavern along with data's head.  That means
> that the watch is 500+ years old.  Clemens takes the watch goes back to the
> 19th century and leaves it in the cave.  That means the watch would be 1000+
> years old in the next loop. That cannot happen.  If everything happened as I
> have mentioned here in TA II, then the flaw is present.  Can someone confirm
> my observation or am I wrong in perceiving the events.

No, Clemens took the 500-year-old watch back, but left his then-new watch in
the cavern when he realized he already had one in his pocket (the old one).
Hmmm - I wonder what would have happened if he decided to test "fate" and
take BOTH watches with him when he left the cavern...would the old one
disappear, since it was never there?


> 
> Siva
> email: ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu
> 
> 
>
From: x90dunkerley@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Oh my *GOD* .... is it.... *CONTINUITY*?!?!?!?! (Spoilers)
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:42:40 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Oct1.190702.27352@ncar.ucar.edu>, vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer) writes:
> In article <1992Oct1.110306.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>>In article <1ab7s2INN9uh@agate.berkeley.edu>, dmillar@ocf.berkeley.edu (Derek Millar) writes:
> 
>>> In Best of Both Worlds II, Guinan says (when trying to convince Riker to
>>> function as captain) that her relationship with Picard went "beyond
>>> friendship".
>>> 
>>> In Time's Arrow II, when Picard meets Guinan in the past, she asks if
>>> they are friends in the future, and Picard says their relationship
>>> "goes beyond friendship."  Exactly the same wording.
> 
> 
> Yes, and last night I saw "Booby Trap" (the first Leah Brahms
> episode), in which Geordi asks Guinan what she looks at first about a
> man.  She says, "his head."  Geordi thinks she means a man's mind, but
> she says, "No, his head.  I like bald men ... a bald man was kind to
> me once."
> 
> Now *there's* some continuity for you.  We now know what kindness she
> was referring to in that third-season episode ... :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Vicki Holzhauer, National Center for Atmospheric Research
> Boulder, Colorado / / / /  vicki@ncar.ucar.edu

Umm...if you read back a bit..that's kind of how this stream started....

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From: bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore)
Subject: Re: "Time's Arrow" POSSIBLE SPOILERS
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 18:01:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.130415.3853@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>Did anyone else feel that they got the idea for Picard sending the
>"don't fire the torpedoes message" from "Bill and Ted's Excellent
>Adventure"?

Excellent conjecture, dude! But why stop there? Data could have said,
"hey rather than build this gizmo, I'll just beam one there from the
24th century, right under the... bed! Here it is!"

But the big question is, who took the keys to the Enterprise? :-)

Bill
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From: ac1@cec2.wustl.edu (Anuj Chandra)
Subject: Beta-Zoid Plexing
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:51:20 GMT

Plexing is one of weirdest pseduo science ever on ST:NG. Tapping on
the artery behind the cortoid (?) nerve in the neck seems to INSTANTANEOUSLY
release endorphins that INSANTANEOUSLY has an  effect in calming Barclay.
Barcllay looks ridiculous when he taps that stupid nerve.

Why shoould betazoid plexing work on a human?

Xref: sparky rec.arts.startrek.current:14132 rec.arts.startrek.misc:9817 rec.arts.startrek.tech:5137
From: Kurt A. Seiffert <seiffert@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Jean Luc EXPLOITS android labor!!!!
Organization: UCS, Indiana University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:57:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.172051.20445@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs202144,
cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu writes:
>I think the crew, including Picard, do like Data, but don't give him the
breaks
>he deserves because he appears on the face of it to have no ambitions. I
think
>he's even stated as much directly on occasion. I don't believe it for a
minute.
>Why would Data have wanted to be Captain of that one ship during that
crisis
>if he had no ambition? He may not be the kind of guy that busts into the
>bosses office to get a raise once a year, but that doesn't mean he isn't
>due for one!

I have to think that Data really doesn't want a promotion. Data is a
character that 
seems to like experiences above all else. I think that commanding the
ship during
the Romulan encounter was an opportunity that he saw to do several things:
1) Experience command of an entire ship in a potential combat situation
2) Allow another very needed ship to join the screen
3) He could take the command, but still be able to go back to his
position afterwards.

Think about it. Captains don't get to go down on away teams. They don't
get to sit
for hours in front of sensor panels analyzing some "disturbance." They
don't get to 
engineer some new gadget to get out of pickle. They don't get to sit down
and analyze
some new life form. In short, they don't do any of the things  for which
Data is best 
suited. And while a humanoid might get wore out doing everything Data
does, Data 
"does not require sleep." :-)

I think Data is exactly as high in rank as he wishes to be at the moment.
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            it that way. ;-)
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From: cbsmith@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Smith)
Subject: Re: "Time's Arrow" POSSIBLE SPOILERS
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:47:35 GMT

---------
Comme on guys, the obvious reason that Picard has to go back to save Earth. If he doesn't go back, and Earth doesn't get saved, then the Federation will never exist, etc..

--Chris
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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: Beta-Zoid Plexing (Realm of Fear)
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:29:54 GMT


May be SPOILERS:
























In article <1992Oct5.205120.13113@wuecl.wustl.edu> ac1@cec2.wustl.edu (Anuj Chandra) writes:
>Plexing is one of weirdest pseduo science ever on ST:NG. Tapping on
>the artery behind the cortoid (?) nerve in the neck seems to INSTANTANEOUSLY
>release endorphins that INSANTANEOUSLY has an  effect in calming Barclay.
>Barcllay looks ridiculous when he taps that stupid nerve.

>Why shoould betazoid plexing work on a human?

Why should we believe for a minute that Troi was telling Barclay the
truth?


-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
From: pmclaugh@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: <None>
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:42:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.033821.29536@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, howes@cat13.cs.wisc.edu (Glenn Howes) writes:
> In article <23469@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> msheldon@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Marti Sheldon) writes:
>>Re: "Picard/Riker 92" - no good. Jean Luc was not born in the
>>United States.  Riker/Picard would work, though.
> 
> How do we know that France isn't part of the United States (or a direct
> descendant of that organization). Evidence: everybody speaks English,
> French is considered an obscure language (at least by Data.)

Still, Picard/Riker cannot run in 1992 because they won't be born until
the 24th Century.  Picard/Riker 2392??  :-)> 
> 
> BTW, the requirements for vice-president are the same as for president.
> 
> 
> -- 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Glenn R. Howes              Internet: howes@bert.chem.wisc.edu
> author: Kermit Tool GH      // Picard & Riker in '92 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
From: michael.davidson@the-matrix.com (Michael Davidson) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Paramount Press Release -
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:01:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: michael.davidson@the-matrix.com (Michael Davidson) 


The other day I saw an episode in syndication directed by Jonathan
Frakes. I don't remember the episode, but for those of you who have
lists, how many episodes has he directed and which ones? How about
other cast members? Have they directed any episodes? Thanks in advance.

Michael
michael.davidson@the_matrix.com
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: List of episodes
Date: 2 Oct 92 06:00:07 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <92274.185855JLB155@psuvm.psu.edu> JLB155@psuvm.psu.edu (Jennifer Bernold) writes:
<Yeah, it's another request.  I've been scanning this group about once a
<week for the past 2 months, but either haven't seen the list of episodes
<that Brown@vidiot posts, or just plain overlooked it.  If someone has
<it, or knows ANYTHING about its whereabouts, please let me know.  I tried
<to email the above person directly, but all the mail keeps bouncing...

You obviously didn't try the other addresses that I have.  The vidiot.uucp
address is temporarily broken (bad link between uwvax and rutgers, caused
by a change in software/hardware at uwvax).

<I am looking for the info which is in the following format:
<
< 0.   9/26/87  721  41153.7      Encounter at Farpoint
<      :
<      :
<      9/12/92  226R             Time's Arrow
<
<The date is the first date of satellite uplink.  Paramount's official
<'week of' is two days later.  Stardates will be added when known.
<--
<brown at vidiot.UUCP
<
<As shown above 9/12/92 is that last episode I got.  Thanks for the help.

You got them all.  There has only been two episodes aired so far this year.
Now postings are done when I get a new schedule.  I should get one of
those tomorrow (if I'm lucky).
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                                   brown@wi.extrel.com
From: cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Realm of Fear: space worms ???
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:59:03 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct6.142148.22610@ra.msstate.edu> rat1@me1.MsState.Edu (Robert Thompson) writes:

[ other stuff about "Realm of Fear" inconsistencies deleted ]

>And one more thought (flame me hard if I missed this):
>
>Where in the hell were they going?  Why did they transport
>at all?  Surely Starfleet escape pods are a more comfortable
>environment to escape to than a plasma stream coming off a 
>red giant...

At least I can help with this one.  The theory was that they were
trying to use their transporter's biofilter to remove the "quasi-
energy microbes" with which they were infected, the same way the E.
crew did with Barclay.

Which brings up another point:  just what is a "quasi-energy microbe"
supposed to be?  And didn't Data say that they "exist simultaneously
as energy and matter"?  Come again?

Tim

-- 
"I have since learned that words are only as valid as the mind that chooses
them.  To choose too carefully is to become pedantic, closing the imagination to
wider visions, yet to err the other way is to invite anarchy into one's mind."
   -- Christopher Priest, _The Affirmation_
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From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: Re: TIME'S ARROW II **SPOILERS**
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:53:40 GMT

In article <BvEIvA.EpG@encore.com>, tflynn@encore.com (Tonya Flynn) writes:
|> [lines deleted...] Also, did I miss a statement to
|> the effect that the aliens only source of nutrition was the human
|> soul (if you will).  Maybe the humans were preferred or convenient
|> at the time/place.   I'm just not yet ready to condemn our troup
|> for "wiping out the aliens" but I am willing to admit I might have
|> missed something.  Please advise.

   Yes, when the "female" alien was dying in the cave, Picard asked
it why it was killing humans. It said that it needed the "souls" for
food. Picard offered to find an alternative source of nourishment.
The alien said that there was no substitute. Human souls weren't just
convenient or prefered - they were necessary.

-- Tim
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow - Data's Head
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:05:16 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <m-overmier1.19.717712942@uiuc.edu> m-overmier1@uiuc.edu (Mark Overmier) writes:
>How is it possible that Data could hold his own head?  How could he have 
>two heads (actually the same one) occupying the same time and space? 
>This seems to conflict with the theories of time travel I know that 
>the same entity (or parts thereof) cannot occupy the same time.	

Ah, the Blinovitch Limitation Effect.  :-)  (The all-purpose explanation
for limits on time travel in Doctor Who.)  Actually, the idea of Time Ramming,
which states that no two objects can occupy the same space and time, is
generally thought only to happen when the objects are in EXACTLY the same
place at the same instant.  Data's other head was in his hand, so it wasn't
sharing the same space as his attached head, which was sitting on his
shoulders.

So no paradox.
From: cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: TA I & II - The biggest coincidence of all
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:14:50 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

There have been numerous posts about the weak spots, etc. in TA I & II.
But what about the fact that the entire story hinges on a very large
coincidence:  how likely is it that Data's head should be found, prompting
an investigation of the alien presence on 19th century earth, DURING the
time period that the alien time-travelers are embarking from?  This is a
pretty big coincidence!  (Of course, if it hadn't been found THEN, it
wouldn't have BEEN there to be found....)

Tim
-- 
"I have since learned that words are only as valid as the mind that chooses
them.  To choose too carefully is to become pedantic, closing the imagination to
wider visions, yet to err the other way is to invite anarchy into one's mind."
   -- Christopher Priest, _The Affirmation_
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