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From: jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Headlock escapes!
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:55:36 GMT
Organization: University of Utah

In article <1992Aug26.184958.4889@cpqhou.compaq.com> pipkinsj@cpqhou.compaq.com (Jeff Pipkins ) writes:
> >>another possibility is to ram your left knee into the back of your
> >>enemy's right knee as you sit down.  your enemy will tend to fall
> >>backward as a result, and may let go.  remember that this will leave
> >>you both on the ground, and you must face a different kind of fight
> >>than you may be used to.

> This is an intriguing suggestion!  Unfortunately, I haven't yet learned
> how to make use of it.  It takes a little practice to gain the precision
> necessary to hit the leg at the right time.  This was more difficult
> with speed, but was doable.  The problem was that instead of falling
> backward, the opponent would fall forward, carrying my head with them
> to the mat.  A front breakfall with both arms in front of me was
> effective in breaking the fall, but after it was over, I found that I
> was not in a favorable position.

hmm.  this is rather disturbing.  i was taught this technique, but we
did not practice it with much intensity, as we feared it would damage
people's knees.  interestingly, the way we did it was much like the
way you describe the "swinging" technique elsewhere in your article.
the object is to uproot your opponent and make him fall back.  i don't
recall being taught to hold the opponent's forearm, though.  it sounds
like a good idea.

an important thing i learned from this thread was that i had better be
careful about subscribing to techniques that i have not practised
against an earnest opponent.

the description of "bulldogging" was truly frightening.  there is
something primitive and archetypal about the image of a huge redneck
whose few neurons are coordinated in a singular desire to jerk me
around by my neck.  brrr.

(no offense intended to huge rednecks.  none at all.  no, really!)

--
jonathan byrd
jon@apollo.med.utah.edu
From: Robert.Wood@f37.n19.z1.FidoNet.Org (Robert Wood)
Sender: UUCP@p0.f1060.n391.z1.FidoNet.Org
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Fist in Shotokai
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:20:00 EST


 TK> In Shotokan, and in many other styles, the top of the surface of the
fist
 TK> formed a straight line with the top of the forearm.  I guess that
this
 TK> is to focus the punch in the first knuckles of the index and middle
 TK> fingers.

No, the focal point is still the first two knuckles, with most of the
impact being on the second knuckle, since it is bigger and arrives faster.

 TK> However, in Shotokai the contact point is the second knuckles of
those
 TK> fingers, and the top of the fist is lifted slightly, at an angle to
the
 TK> forearm.

Are you talkking about doing a 3/4 twist punch or actually not keeping the
wrist straight on initial contact?  We keep the wrist straight up to
ititial contact, but then angle the fist down slightly on contact to "send
our energy" into out opponant.

 TK> One reason I was given is that the Shotokan seiken is more susceptible
to
 TK> being bent down (since it is a bit asymmetrical).

Ypu lost me on this explaination.

 TK> But the Shotokan fist still feels better to me.  I reckon that I
would
 TK> have to condition my hands more to strike well with that angles fist.
 TK> Also, the upper finger joints will experience leverage on the strike.
 TK> This wouldn't happen with the Shotokan fist.

 TK> Any thoughts on this?

The main reason for the 3/4 twist is to be able to hit pressure points on
the body that are not accessable when you full twist punch (palm facing the
floor). If you want to knwo the correct angle, just look at the angle of
the rib cage and see how a 3/4 twisted fist would fit between them.

  Robert

 * Origin: Karate & Comics &... (501)968-3910 HST DS (1:19/37)
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Looking for info on Master Kuda??
Date: 26 Aug 92 04:59:40 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <19879@plains.NoDak.edu> myhre@plains.NoDak.edu (Robert Myhre) writes:
>
>
>  I am interested in the Master Kuda(?) that is the teacher of Shorin-Ryu
>... specifically Matsumara if I have gotten this info right.  

Yuichi Kuda (1928 - present). As a young man, Kuda trained with a man
named Yamashiro, about whom little seems to be known. He also trained
for a considerable period of time with Shigeru Nakamura, founder of 
Okinwan Kenpo Karate. When Nakamura died in 1969, Kuda began training
with the late Hohan Soken, master of Matsumura Seito (Matsumura orthodox)
Shorin-ryu. Kuda has developed his own system, which he calls
"Matsumura Kenpo Shorin-ryu".

>What I would
>like to know is where can I get some info on the new Katas he has released.
>As I understand it, he developed this katas himself and his recently
>released them to the Western Instructors.  I believe these katas are called
>NeSeiDe or something along those lines.  I have also heeard the reference
>Young Mans' Katas.  If anyone can help clear up this loose info I am
>getting I would appreciate it.  Thanks

Kuda sensei has created seven unique karate kata:
	5 Niseide
	2 Kubude (Sho and Dai).

In the words of George Alexander, who is Kuda's representative in the
US, in his book _Okinawa_Island_of_Karate_, the Niseide kata "emphasize
dynamic kicking movements such as the sidekick/spinning backick
combination...[these are] lacking in classical Okinawan kata".
Kuda-sensei's headquarters dojo, the Kobukan, is in Urazoe City, Okinawa.
Mr. Alexander, the head of his US organization, lives and teaches in
West Palm Beach, Florida.

Does this help?

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn)
Subject: Re: Bush Black belt??!!!
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:10:13 GMT

-

Of course, we need proof:...


	Well, (code 6 alert) George was/is/will_ever_be in the CIA. 
	
	Everyone knows that all secret agents in the CIA know Kara-Tee.
	
	Since no-body knows Kara-Tee unless they have a black belt, George
	must have a black belt.  [Well known undocumented FAQ answer].
	
	However, George has not denied (nor refused to confirm or deny) the
	existence of such black belt. [+/- freedom of information].
	
	Therefore he wasn't/is'nt/won't_ever_be a member of the CIA.

Question #2:

	Well, (panic alert, stage 7): Who IS the president of the USA?

Tomasso.
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From: jonathan@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Jonathan Dwyer)
Subject:  Private message (sorry...)
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Keywords: 	der chanster....
Organization: Psychology Department, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 09:05:18 GMT

In the article about the Boxer and the Rat, Doug quoted bits from this article:
|> In article <SCHAN.92Aug25090416@atria.srg> schan@atria.srg (Stephen Chan) writes:

Which included:
|> >ps.
|> >	Hey folks, I changed jobs, and this is my new account. Pretty nifty,
|> >huh?

Sorry to post a private message  but here goes;
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Stephen,

I tried to reply to your address as listed (schan@atria.srg) but it keeps bouncing
as host unknown.  I don't know where the problem is, but thought you may
appreciate the data point.

Jon
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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  / / / // / / / Department of Psychology
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From: goodwin@orionsci (Ben Goodwin)
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home 
Reply-To: goodwin@orionsci.UUCP (Ben Goodwin)
Organization: Orion Scientific, Inc.
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 13:52:24 GMT

In article <715302097snx@ietech.demon.co.uk> nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst") writes:
>
[snip]
>
>A few months ago during some inner city troble, I saw a police
>officer effectively disarm a six foot two machete wielding
>160 lb assailent using an English Police trunction.  I belive
>these are somewhat smaller than American Police nightsticks.
>I had to admire the move.  I hold dan grades in a number of
>martial arts, including some weapon arts, but there was no way
>I would have disarmed the attacker without causing major damage.
>As it was he had a couple of very nasty bruises and a cracked
>shin.
>
>Sorry but using a gun against a machete seems a bit of an
>overkill.

I've kept out of this, because at the beginning there was alot of hearsay
and venting of spleens.  But now that things have calmed down... :)

I disagree with Nigel's above statement totally.  I couldn't disagree
more if I tried.

Any cop who tries to disarm a person with a long knife IMHO is an idiot.
The gun allows the officer to stay out of striking range of the lunatic.
Why should a guy who gets paid as little as a policeman be forced to put
his life at serious risk going hand to hand against a thug.  Why give them
guns in the first place? 

Its sad when you hear about a police officer shooting someone, and killing
them.  But its even worse to hear about a police officer killed in the
line of duty.

Sorry, but this thread has at times disgusted me.  The people who posted
that the "God damned cop was wrong, and killed a poor innocent" make me
nauseous.

You come at me with a knife, and I promise you that if I have a gun, I
will use it.

Hum, I realize I may look at little cruel above, but I have no pity for
anyone who attacks a police officer.  You do something like that and
you get what you deserve.

-- 

-Ben
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Silent or vocal sparring?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:23:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.203350.5825@bnrmtl.bnr.ca> carbon@bnrmtl.bnr.ca (Peter Carbon) writes:
> So what do you people think? Is it better to fight silently, thereby
>conserving energy, or to use kiais to perhaps disconcert your oppponent
>and add more emphasis to a strike?

My vote is for silence: There are better ways to disconcert an 
opponent. I used to study from someone who _smiled_, in the most
disturbing way, when sparing with someone. It really was as disconcerting
as yelling would have been, giving the impression he was just 
playing with you (which, considering our relative skills was 
probably true, but he did this to everyone...)

                                               Frank Crary
                                               CU Boulder
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Bush Black belt??!!!
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:36:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <25808@dog.ee.lbl.gov> jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov writes:
>>He *was* head o' the secret police for several years, it just may be
>>possible that he's had some meaningful empty hand training. Ya just
>>never know...
>
>Former SEAL Bob Kerry, late of the Democratic primary, is the politician
>I wouldn't want asking me to remove my jacket and step into the Rose 
>Garden (not that either he or I seems likely to be there).

Heh heh heh...then there's always Colorado congressman (and Democratic
senatorial candidate) Ben Nighthorse Campbell (the only Native American
in Congress), who was on the US Olympic Judo team back in the '60s. He
still trains. He's probably *REAL* good by now...

Nah, if you want deal with Kerry just throw him a ball. While he's balancing
it on the end of his nose and slapping his flippers you could punch him out.

Steve
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: standing still on 1 leg
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:35:29 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Sep3.210250.22402@oracle.us.oracle.com> glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) writes:
>Yes, people will stay still and stand on one leg to let you throw.

	'Specially if I say please !
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Bush Black belt??!!!
Date: 31 Aug 92 04:16:06 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <BtJoE6.2ns@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick) writes:
>In fact,  the King received an 8th
>Dan before his death (because of competition for his patronage between
>Parker and Kang Rhee, from what I've heard).

Elvis died because of competition for his patronage? Wow! I knew some people
took this dojo politics stuff SERIOUSLY, but that's really going overboard ;-).

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers)
Subject: Re: NEW MARTIAL ART FOR STREET NOT THE DOJO
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
	<JON.92Sep3165501@zeus.med.utah.edu>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:13:06 GMT

In article <JON.92Sep3165501@zeus.med.utah.edu> jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd) writes:

>In article <1992Sep3.204723.2805@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:
>   In article <3SEP92.17561777@skyfox.usask.ca> hayesj@skyfox.usask.ca writes:
>   >NOW THERE IS A MARTIAL ART DESIGNED FOR THE STREET NOT THE DOJO
>   >NOW THERE IS A MARTIAL ART DESIGNED FOR THE STREET NOT THE DOJO
>   >This new Martail Art deals with the reality and finality of street confontations

>   I see the freshmen have discovered Usenet.

>right; it's time to start using rot-13 on all greenoch articles.

How about rot-13 on _anything_ of _any_ importance?  It'd be a good
way to weed out the chaff...

--
"But the fact that a 1938 touring bodied Alfa Romeo I once had is
worth $1 million sometimes bothers the hell out of me.  It's a
personal problem."                                     -Phil Hill
Iaido   Takamine   Hobie   Rossignol   Alfa Romeo  Ducati (DOD #900)
From: khc2674@zeus.tamu.edu (Bruce as my Shepherd)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Seeking Wing Chun
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:59:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: zeus.3SEP199212593820
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep2.212837.8042@ncsu.edu>, jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) writes...
>	So, does anyone on the net have any leads on where I could get good
>Wing Chun instruction?  Or Tai Chi, for that matter.  Ideally, I would like to
>find a non-commercial instructor who teaches in order to spread knowledge to
>worthy students (maybe I'm being too idealistic here).  Anybody out there have
>some advice?  E-mail any replies; I will send summaries to any interested
>netters.
> 
>Mitch --------------------------> jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu

	So, Do you want classical Ving Tsun (Moy Yat, Augustine Fong, etc.)
	    modified Wing Tsun (Leung Ting)
	    or William Cheung's Wing Chun (William Cheung)

They're all fairly different. The main thing is that the Fatshan disciples
of Yip Man learned a harder style than the Hong Kong Disciples. And William
Cheung's is very different from either. (Just compare his Cham Kiu, and Biu Jee
forms to anybody else's) 

Kuo Hau Chang  :)            7-star Praying Mantis            (:
Texas A&M      :)                Moi-Fah Mantis               (:
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: Bush Black belt??!!!
Organization: Twilight Zone
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:34:42 GMT

In article <10420@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>He *was* head o' the secret police for several years, it just may be
>possible that he's had some meaningful empty hand training. Ya just
>never know...

	I'll STILL kick his fuckin' ass.  Lemme AT `im...

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: Kenneth_Ferguson@rand.org (Ken Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Can boxing skills handle kicking ? (to anybody)
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:32:16 GMT
     <1992Aug31.180802.4395@relay.nswc.navy.mil>
Organization: RAND
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1a2




      Al Chou asks ." What is the use in learning Karate?" First of all
AL,
There appears to be some people who have taken me out of context.

      When I posted my opinion on Boxing versus Karate, I meant to show
that
boxing wasn't as useless as some people seem to think. It was assumed by
one person that I was standing in the ring with Benny The Jet relying on
"beginner blocks 
and punches" This was not the case. Any person that would try such a thing
would have to be certifiable.

      Benny and his style of Ukidokan Karate has combined boxing with
karate to
give us the best of both worlds. Benny obviously thought that studying
karate was very
beneficial. He proved it by becoming the undefeated champion of the
world. Here is a man that excells in both arts and touts their
effectivness with no reservations.


     Karate is a very effective form of self defense. This should never
be doubted,
too many people on the receiving end of a powerful punch or kick has
found this out 
the hard way. all I'm saying is that each one has it's own purpose and
application
don't try to validate one by invalidating the other.

        Ken Ferguson
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Subject: Re: Diff. betweeREAD/NEWn Eastern and Western thought
From: mtambay@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:27:13 MDT
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

>>   The difference between Western and Occidental thought is that Occidentals 
>>   recognize mastery and Westerners have to have everything proven.
>>
> How did you arrive at the generalization that  *Orientals* recognize mastery
> and Westerners have to have everything proven?  What is the basis for
> recognizing mastery?  Do you mean that they accept it without scrutiny?

I'm wondering if generally (ouch,ouch,ouch) the eastern cultures accept 
mysticism  and such more readily than western ones. Generally being a greater 
percentage of the population, and mysticism and such being more informal
institutions.  Given that, perhaps recognizing mastery in the west is mastery
in one of the western formal institutionalized discipline (academic, science,
orchestra) and in the east, more people (grass root) institution.  Hence
doctors might acknowlege the prowess of a martial artist and title as Master
without giving it the same weight as a master in Organic Thermo Dynamics.
The east might put a genetic engineer's accompishment on the same pedestal
as that of a MA master.

Mario Tambay

I welcome a difference in opinion as proof that the world is bigger than my 
micorcosm.
From: andrew@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Andrew Boardman)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Colorado AJJ
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:16:09 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523


			Aiki Jujutsu

	This method of empty hand fighting makes use of arm locking and
	twisting techniques to control an opponent.  Also, throws and leg
	sweeping techniques are used to bring an attacker to the ground.

			Jo Jutsu

	A Jo is a staff or stick which is either 2, 4, or 5 feet in length.
	The Jo is used to block an attack, counter strike, leg-sweep, or
	throw an attacker, or disarm an attacker in a weapons attack.

			Ken Jutsu

	The art of using the sword in battle.  This includes not only the
	famous katana, but the shorter blades shoto, tanto, and yoroidoshi
	as well.

			Atemi Jutsu (Karate)

	The art of striking with hands and feet at vulnerable areas of the
	attacker.


		Classes are Sundays, 1 - 8pm.
		237 Linden Street, Fort Collins, Colorado.

		Tentative Class Schedule:

		1 - 2:30pm:  Throws, Sweeps, and Drops
		2:40 - 4:10: Locks, Controls, and Breaks
		4:50 - 6:20: Weapons
		6:30 - 8:00: By Request

	For more information, call Andrew at (303) 221-1618, or email
	andrew@lamar.colostate.edu.
From: roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Shotokan and Shotokai
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:10:13 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <42235@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly) writes:
>
>So what then is "kai"?
>
     Kai = club or association

-- 
Robert Stroud
Obukan Kendo Club
Portland Oregon USA
roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com
From: westreic@oc.nps.navy.mil (Eric Westreich)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: JEET KUNE DO SEMINAR MONTEREY, CA
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:48:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA
Originator: westreic@oc.nps.navy.mil

JEET KUNE DO SEMINAR

     Sifu Gary Dill is one of the original Oakland JKD School students and has
been a JKD practitioner for the past 21 years. Having served on the Board of
Directors of the JKD society for five years, he is currently Director and Chief
Instructor of the Jeet Kune Do Association.

     Sifu Dill will be teaching punching and striking techniques, footwork and 
evasive skills, kicks and drills, trapping hands and grappling. The techniques
taught will be those developed by Bruce Lee and taught at his Oakland Branch 
School prior to 1973.

     DATE:        Saturday, November 7, 1992

     TIME:        Registration 9:00 - 10:00 AM
                  Seminar     10:00 -  5:00 PM

     FEE:         Advanced Registration: $50.00
                  At the Door:           $60.00

     LOCATION:    Naval Postgraduate School Multipurpose Room
                  Monterey, CA

     INFORMATION: Contact Eric Westreich, 127 Leidig Circle, Monterey, CA 93940
                          (408) 372-1821, westreic@oc.nps.navy.mil


OTHER JKD SEMINARS:

    Portland Oregon:          Oct 24, 1992
                              Contact: Dan Beavers
                                       (503) 297-8869

    Pottstown, PA (Yodo Gym): Sometime during the first half of December
                              Contact: Chris or Mike Heidenreich
                                       (215) 469-6103
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: simutis@Ingres.COM (John Simutis)
Subject: Re: Martial Arts Interest
Reply-To: simutis@Ingres.COM (John Simutis)
Organization: Ingres Division, ASK Computer Systems.
Distribution: usa
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:59:12 GMT

mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes
> If you're studying a weapon art, obviously you have to consider the cost
> of the weapons.  Most wooden practice weapons aren't too expensive...but
> not all styles use wooden practice weapons.

Data points:
	wooden bo 		$35
	wooden nunchaku (1) 	$16
	wooden tonfa (2)  	$17
	metal sais (3)		$75

Haven't gotten to the others yet, but the eku (oar) is supposed to be
expensive.  Another thread has mentioned prices for katana/swords.
-- 
< standard disclaimer >
                          INGRES, an ASK Company
John Simutis, simutis@ingres.com         Alms!  Alms for the vi-impaired!
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: campbell@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Campbell Dickson)
Subject: Re: Jumping
Organization: Psychology Department, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:35:44 GMT

>What types of exercises should I do to increase my vertical leap?

One traditional method I've seen mentioned is to dig a hole in the ground
and jump out of it. You start with a depth of say 2' and as your jumping
ability increases, you make the hole deeper.  Presumably the width of the hole
is fairly important, since it would limit the amount of knee bend. However
I don't have any information on that. If you had a large garden/yard you could
experiment with a number of holes of different diameters. I don't know what
the neighbours would think though.
From: netnews@porthos.cc.bellcore.com (USENET System Software)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re:New/Fresh Plot for MA Movie
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:46:51 GMT
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ

After seeing "Rapid Fire", I get the feeling that almost all
MA films deal with MAs and evil drug lords that also happen
to know MAs.  
From: rcdz@prefect.uucp (22333-sherman)