From: ames!FNALD.FNAL.GOV!DROEGE
Subject: Misc
Reply-To: ames!FNALD.FNAL.GOV!DROEGE
Organization: Sci.physics.fusion/Mail Gateway
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:02:37 GMT

Thomas Kunich writes "...idea that Japan has some sort of magic when it comes
to product development.  ... tends to be a great deal more flexible in 
accepting ideas NIH.  They also treat their employees wit much more respect."

The problem is that Japan *is* a monolythinc society, and we can make 
generalizations about Japan.  The US is very much ***not***.  In comparing 
US to Japan, we tend to think of the stodgy 19th century management of General
Motors, US Steel, Goodyear Tire, Western Union, and IBM.  These companies are
walking dead.  New companies with new management styles who treat their 
employees much better than Japan does are growing and puching out the "walking
dead" of the last century.  So take heart, there is a new breed of companies
who do not kill their employess with overwork as the Japanese do.  They will
take over corporate america.  As the companies that produced unions die out,
so will the practices of the unions that reduce our productivity.  The new
corporations do not generate unions because they treat their employees in a 
way that makes them part of the effort.  

Steven Jones recalls a joke by Bjorken.  It was a bet with bj that got me into
this business.  I ended up winning $2 on a $100 to $2 bet.  bj bet the $2 that
"cold fusion" would be demonstrated within a year.  What did he know!  I have
never worked so hard to try to loose a bet in my life1

Paul Houle asks "Is ther any reason why this couldn't be done in , say liquid
D2? ... "

Don't see why not.  I recall that only about 15 mw per cc is needed to start
cavitation in H2O.  This if for general cleaning purposes.  The devices used
in medical labs to break up cells deliver a few watts per cc.  

But much more efficient devices can be made with parabolic shaped transducers 
that focus the "ultrasound" at a point.  Like they use to work on kidney 
stones, etc.  I see no problems (well only the common ones that take 4 - 5 
years of work in a well equipped laboratory with trained assistants) to making
such a device and doing experiments.  If a focused device were "popped" once 
a second, you could do a lot of experiments in a short time.  I estimete on
the back of an envelope that it would take about 2 millijoules per pop for a 
rather large device.  Remember "all that" energy is going into a very small
bubble (or a few bubbles).  So I don't think you would have to worry about
heat loss as the dewar losses would be much larger.  I have worked with a 
consultant who would love to design such a device!  dale bass says it would
be "very expensive".  But expense is relative.  Given motivation I could do
it in my basement, and at about my current "cold fusion" expense rate.  So
on the scale of the SSC and Tokamaks, it would be very cheap!  The only real
problem might be if the electrostriction somehow quits at liquid H2 
temperatures.  It does quit above the curie tempreature, but that is a high 
temperature limit.  I am building such devices for the "water machine" spin
off and might even learn to make them work.  

"Amen" brother Rauchfuss for some very nice comments on how to do science.  If
I ever get a positive result ( actually multiple, repeatable, positive results)
I will be up here telling you all exactly what I did and debating what might 
be wrong until I convince a few of you to try to repeat it.  None of you have
to try, so it will be up to me to "sell" you on the merits of my work.  The 
other path is to use the effect to build something useful, then I frankly won't
give a damn.  But I am too old to get rich, so I will likely try the former.

Thanks to Chuck Sites for some nice work.  Slowly a team comes together.  We
are all just learning to do this experiment and to generate results that we
can trust.  We are almost ready to get a good measurement should we get an 
"event".

Tom Droege
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