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Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:43:14 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: ADDED scene?

In article <weRti3m00VIGNgNJUI@andrew.cmu.edu>, Robert Edward Timlin
<rt16+@andrew.cmu.edu> says:
>
>     I know I'm tempting fate here, but...
>
>     Does anybody else think that the bit where ol' Darth stabilizes his
>spinning fighter at the end of ANH and zooms off was ADDED at some point after
>the initial release(s)? I recall being surprised to see it. But I'm not one to
>blindly trust 15 year old "memories". Anybody know for sure?

Thats been there all along.  Have we started something we're going to regret?

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From: jmb5b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (John M. Bozeman)
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:08:16 GMT

In article <91761@bu.edu> shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich) writes:
>In article <BruMxE.MBy@watserv1.waterloo.edu> rlbell@babbage.waterloo.edu
>(Richard Bell) writes:
>
>A shuttlecraft is not as maneuverable as an X-wing and will be shot down
>immediately. Also, the Feds (and Klingons, Romulans, too) never used
>transporter as a weapon, thus there must be a problem somewhere.

Yeah...like a lack of sneakiness.  They were able to get rid of the 
Genesis device (movies).  They got rid of Nomad (old series).  They
got rid of the tribbles.  And don't forget countless acts of
espionage and sabotage. 

Must be due to some goody-two-shoes treaty.
Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:21:20 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: the clone wars

In article <1992Jul22.022124.13868@udel.edu>, lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim)
says:
>
>In article <21JUL199215435798@rosie.uh.edu> elee9tv@rosie.uh.edu (POWER-PILL)
>writes:
>>
>>       Can someone explain  the significance of the "Clone Wars" and
>>   its relationship to STAR WARS.
>
>
>        Not yet-- not officially, anyway. A lot of fans have ideas, but as
>far as I know, George isn't leaking anything until the next films come out.
>So if you can just wait 'til 1997 or whenever... God, by that time, you might
>be able to take your kids to them. Yeeps.

Welp, by the time 1997 rolls around, my kid will be as old as I was when
my dad took me to see Star Wars way back when.  I cant wait.  Then I'll
have to buy him all the action figures that'll come out and of course he
wont be the only one.
"Dad, can I play with your Anakin Skywalker figure?"
"No!  And dont you dare take him out of the package or I'll cut off
your hands!"

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From: dmb@srl02.cacs.usl.edu (David M. Brumley)
Subject: Re: Another Han Solo Blooper?
Organization: University of Louisiana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:02:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.012839.5227@leland.Stanford.EDU> mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) writes: 
   I have a question.  In ROTJ, why does Han immediately have any desire to
   help out Lando when he's about to fall into the Sarlacc?  As I recall, the
   last thing Solo would remember about Lando is that he sold them out to the
   Empire (Unless I've forgotten something in between...).  If that's the case
   I would think Solo would just blast him.  Any comments?

Easy.  Han learns about Lando being a good-guy when Han and Chewie are
imprisoned together in the dungeons beneath the palace.

Also, on the way to the Pit, Luke tells Han to "just stick close to Chewie
and Lando.  I've taken care of everything."  It's obvious at this
point that Han has been brought up to speed with regard to Lando.

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From: skenned1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Sean Kennedy)
Subject: Re: SPICE in Star Wars + cut scenes
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:52:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.152958.16288@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Jul14.182855.23017@eve.wright.edu> cse6b019@eve.wright.edu (MICHAEL KOTLER) writes:
> >
> >According to the comic book adaptation of SW:A New Hope,
> >Uncle Owen did tell Luke that his father was a 
> >navigator on a spice freighter. Not a _space_ freighter,
> >although it was obviously in space anyway. :)
> >
> >BTW, can someone tell me why the following scenes were cut
> >out of ANH:
> >   1) Luke and Biggs on Tatooine, discussing the Empire
> >and Luke looking at the intercepted ship through his
> >binoculars.
> >
> Probably for the usual reasons scenes are cut, like pacing, and getting the film
> to fit into a certain time length.
> 
> >   2) Han Solo discussing with Jabba the Hut (!) about 
> >paying him, saying "Why did you have to fry poor
> >Greedo like that?"
> >
> Erm...I remember hearing that they basically ran out of money for the special
> effects. They shot the scene with human actors but couldn't afford to put
> the monster effects in.
> 
> >Michael E. Kotler
> 
> 
> Mike
> 

		According to the radio series played on NPR, which is much more detailed
then the movie, Han had that conversation with someone named Heater. 
Heater worked for Jabba the Hut.



Sean
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: mwalker@wc.novell.com (Mel Walker)
Subject: Re: Explosions - Just A thought
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:34:09 GMT

In article <84004@netnews.upenn.edu> ledogar@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Charles Ledogar) writes:
>In article <92203.125140PMETCALF@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> PMETCALF@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>>If there is no oxygen in space, how come there are massive explosions
>>when something is blown up? I'm going on the assumpsion that you need
>>oxygen to support combustion.
>>Anybody else have any suggestions? Just my 2 cents worth.
>>
>>Peter
>
>I'm sure the true answer to this lies somewhere in sci.space or
>something.  However, I'll match your 2 cents and raise you 2:
>
>I've always figured such neat explosions are justifiable because
>there's plenty of oxygen on board the ship.  Maybe for life support,
>maybe for ion warp quastmoplactic thermodrives, whatever.
>Note how the explosions sort of billow out then cut short pretty
>suddenly, as if the oxygen supply were exhausted.  Or at least,
>pretend to notice... it makes the flick more enjoyable.
>
>Related theory: explosions -would- make a sound in space because
>they would produce a rapidly expanding blob of ex-ship-material 
>dust.  Once this blob reached your ears (pretty quickly if the 
>explosion was wicked enough), your eardrums would rattle.  Or
>the hull of your own vessel would.
>
>Considering how scientifically accurate ST:TNG tries to be, and
>that those guys show us similar explosions, this might be right.
>
>---Charlie Ledogar
>ledogar@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
>
Also, some kind of fission/fusion explosion would certainly explode
well, I would think. Unless whatever exploded was converted instantly
into energy, I would think the resulting cloud of debris would be
quite a show. If I've screwed up physics again, feel free to flame. :-)
--
Mel Walker                                        mwalker@optics.wc.novell.com
"I've arranged for you to donate $200,000 to the Opera....You'll be in Society.
Then you can marry me and they'll kick you out of Society. And all you'll have
lost will be $200,000." -- "A Night at the Opera"
From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: ADDED scene?
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:59:24 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>In article <weRti3m00VIGNgNJUI@andrew.cmu.edu>, Robert Edward Timlin
><rt16+@andrew.cmu.edu> says:
>>
>>     I know I'm tempting fate here, but...
>>
>>     Does anybody else think that the bit where ol' Darth stabilizes his
>>spinning fighter at the end of ANH and zooms off was ADDED at some point after
>>the initial release(s)? I recall being surprised to see it. But I'm not one to
>>blindly trust 15 year old "memories". Anybody know for sure?

>Thats been there all along.  Have we started something we're going to regret?

Been there all along?  I recall discussing with a close friend this very
topic years ago -- we both recall seeing Vader's TIE spin off, and NOT
stabilize, until we watched it on video many years later.  I've avoided
these memory arguments until now, but this is one I couldn't resist.
And, yes, oh, yes, I saw Luke point his binoculars up at the battle, but
I don't remember Jabba in the spaceport.

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From: rlbell@babbage.waterloo.edu (Richard Bell)
Subject: Re: Stupid/Cool
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:52:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.195711.21344@leland.Stanford.EDU> mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) writes:
>In article <1992Jul17.141502.6827@zip.eecs.umich.edu>,
>winterh@emunix.emich.edu (Twist) writes:
>> 
>> >Luke deserves a kick to the face for the scene when he's saying good-bye to 
>> >Chewie and Han before the Hoth battle. Watch as Luke goes up and scratches
>> >Chewie's neck! What the hell was that!? 
>> >
>
>Well, while I would hesistate to disagree with you that it was a little bit
>out of place, I don't think it's nearly as bad as some of the other stuff
>(in RotJ, for example).  Besides, even Han scratched Chewie's head in ANH--
>it was right as they were crawling out of the secret smuggling compartments
>on the Falcon...so I maybe it's not such a weird thing for a good friend
>to scratch a Wookie behind the ears.  Just an observation.
>

I have discovered that all of the warm-blooded creatures with external ears
that I have had first hand experience with (gerbils, cats, dogs, women, and
[on the receiving end] me) like being scratched behind their ears.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: dkemper@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Subject: Re: Lightsabers and songs.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4  
Reply-To: dkemper@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu
Organization: University of Administrative Incompetence
Distribution:  world
Date: 24 JUL 92 15:46:27    

Sorry, you're wrong on two counts.

In article <1992Jul24.094113.1@hamp.hampshire.edu>, ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu writes...
>			2 things: according to the SW RPG, the Jedi construct
>their lightsabers as the last portion of their training. I would assume,then,
>that since Luke had one in the movie that facing his worst fear (becoming like
>his father) substituted nicely. (Side note to the RPGers: if your set on making
>them readily available, if memory serves me right the lightsaber is purchasable
>in extremely rare markets for 800 credits. But any sensible or playable gm
>doesn't just make things like that available to anyone.)

In the Sourcebook (RPG), it states that while many Jedi Masters teach their 
pupils how to make sabers as one of the last things, some teach it earlier 
than others in order to allow their students to use the saber during later 
training.  As one might expect with ANY sort of instructor/pupil situation, 
each instructor has his or her own way of doing things.

>			And the other is that the reason the songs from SW and
>RotJ sounds different is that you're only hearing bits and pieces of them,
>interspersed with dialogue and action. The songs feel different because they
>play through the whole thing without interruption (because it'd be jarring to
>put on the album only those portions of the song).

The lyrics of "Lapti Nek" are distinctly different in the movie than on the 
soundtrack (in the movie, you don't even hear thew words "lapti nek" where 
you're supposed to).  I am less certain of the difference in the ANH song,  
but I seem to recall a difference in sound of some sort.

As far as that goes, someone on this net said that there is a distinct 
differnce in the orchestral arrangement playing in the background during 
the lightsaber duel in Jedi than what appears on the soundtrack.

--Gallandro

  From 1964:
  Reporter: "What do you think of the campaign in Detroit to stamp out the
             Beatles?"
  Paul McCartney: "We've got a campaign of our own to stamp out Detroit."
From: tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Anakin/Vader death
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:48:28 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <1992Jul21.231345.21010@wpi.WPI.EDU> mmartin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin) writes:
>Well, I seem to have caused a little stife with my comment on Anakin/Vader's
>lack of disappearing upon death, yet "glowing" appearance at the end of Jedi.
>I was not commenting on the fact that the body armor remained, but rather
>that his head remained.  I don't believe his head was "more machine than man"
>	Now, anyone want to explain what happened?
>
Well, ok. He didn't really die on screen. He sort of lapsed out of
consciousness. Later, when he did die (I mean, really. How much
resperator equipment was he carrying around with him?) he probably did
the classy vanish routine.

			-Dave

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From: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au (Steven Cavanagh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Lucas interview
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:23:52 GMT
Reply-To: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au
Originator: scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au

From article <1992Jul28.032443.3406@news2.cis.umn.edu>, by moses@seasnake.micro.umn.edu (Matthew E. Moses):
> 
> For everyone's info:
> 
> Just received my latest issue of LucasFilm Fan Club magazine.  In there they
> announce that the next issue will be an exclusive interview with George
> Lucas which will try to answer some of the rumours floating around about the
> start of a new Star Wars trilogy as well as, discuss the Young Indy series.
> It didn't really specify that there is going to be a new trilogy but it is 
> supposed to give George Lucas's plans/ideas for Star Wars.
> 
> When it comes out(probably a couple months) I can post a summary if there is 
> interest.

IF there is interest?? IF??

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!!




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From: joshuali@usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: JEDI Sountrack???
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:32:48 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

I was at a Tower Records over the weekend and I saw a Jedi soundtrack 
different from the Original Soundtrack.  The cover of this one had no 
picture, only a cheesey RETURN OF THE JEDI logo in perspective. On the
back I was looking at the tracks and besides having the same tracks as
the original sountrack (except titled differently I THINK) there were
2 tracks that I think may have been unavailable on the original soundtrack.
This IS NOT the CD with Darth Vader's Death and Battle with the TIE Fighters.
The 2 tracks in question are something like Battle in the Pit (Rancor
fight) and some OTHER Ewok music cause it already had a version of
parade of the Ewoks. 
Does anyone know of this CD? I didn't want to buy it and it turn out
to be simply retitled music.

-joshuali@usc.edu
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: White 3PO-ish Droid
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:40:05 GMT

joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:

: >I can't recall, although I can picture the droid....
: 
: Somewhere in the Hoth base. I can't say because I don't know exactly where.
: There is a Topps card with the real 3PO standing next to the white 3PO.


YES! I used to have that card! Yes! I remember now! 
(no wonder I could picture it!)

Hey!

I only have a small fraction of the cards -- I wonder if anyone
on this fine newsgroup -- one of *the* best on the net -- has them? 

Perhaps someone could scan GIF or TIFF files of each of the cards,
and preserve them for all time to come?

I'll scan mine sometime -- but I only have access to a B&W scanner,
and the cards are color. If someone with a color scanner could
do them, it would look a *lot* nicer. 

Scott
From: beh10@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: White 3PO-ish Droid
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:49:13 GMT
Reply-To: beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <l7e7lsINNmpa@aludra.usc.edu> joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.220757.3528@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>>
>>Where did the white version of 3PO appear in the movies?
>>I can't recall, although I can picture the droid....
>
>Somewhere in the Hoth base. I can't say because I don't know exactly where.
>There is a Topps card with the real 3PO standing next to the white 3PO.
>
>-joshuali@usc.edu


Wasn't whitey on the bloackade runner at the beginning of ANH?

Oh boy!  Now I get to go home tonight and watch all three movies again 
just to make sure!!


   -barry h.

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From: sll28@cc.usu.edu (LORNA_PAYNE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Han Solo Blooper
Date: 26 Jul 92 18:49:13 MDT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Utah State University

In article <qwpxjhp@rpi.edu>, goldek@vccsouth15.its.rpi.edu (That rhymes with Pengo) writes:
> hetz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Joseph Hetz) writes:
>>	An interesting blooper occurs in the carbonite freezing scene in ESB. 
> 
> [some things I'll have to look for next time I watch Empire deleted]
> 
>>	Also, the Ugnaughts remove his handcuffs but leave his shoulder
>>restraint on.  What happened to these when he thawed out?  Did Princess Leia
>>have the key?  Doubt it!
> 
> I heard that this scene was re-filmed afterwards because Han's hands wouldn't
> have been able to spread out the way they did in the carbonite cast-thingie.
> Supposedly the first time they filmed it they hadn't taken off the cuffs.
> 
> You'll also notice (if you care enough) that Han's shirt is un-tucked when he
> gets frozen, but tucked-in when he gets thawed out.
> 
> Pretty sneaky sis.

Furthermore, they're *different* shirts!  Han is wearing the double-breasted
shirt, but when he's frozen, the Hansicle is wearing the tunic-style shirt
from ANH.  Some trick, huh?

Lorna

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               Certified Math Geek and Grammarian
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     The concept is simply staggering.  Pointless, but staggering.
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From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: 4-LOM
Date: 23 Jul 1992 14:19:45 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <23JUL199215401479@rosie.uh.edu> elee9tv@rosie.uh.edu (DANIEL) writes:
>	I was looking through my SW collection and came across a figure
>  called 4-LOM. Who was he? He never appeared in the movie.

He sure did. He was a bounty hunter in Empire. Maybe you can't see him if
you don't have the fim letterboxed but he is standing to the right of 
Zuckass. (To HIS left.)

-joshuali@usc.edu



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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: BOOKS: Brian Daley & Alan Dean Foster.
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:16:25 GMT

Han Solo and ...

These were *great* books. I really enjoyed them -- I wish there 
were more Han Solo adventures in print. I like Solo .. well, solo.

Splinter

Best Blane and Antione voice: "Hated it!"

This book was BOOORRING....

Heir

Still reading it :) Like it so far, sort of. Is it canon?

What other Star Wars books are there?

Scott


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From: bowman@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (Carl Bowman)
Subject: Re: CLIFF HANG ER
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:32:08 GMT

Sorry, Scot.

I was in my twenties when I saw the movie with a bunch of friends.  We saw
it over, and over, and over again.  When ESB came out, another friend stated
"Was'nt Vader killed because his ship was flung into space?"  Everyone
said, "No, at the end of SW he managed to right his ship in the last seconds
we saw of him".

When we watched ESB, the howl was, "Oh GOD!  We just KNOW they will find him
and unfreeze him!"

Here is what I believe is happening:

I shudder when I read that many of the people responding here were around
ten years old when they saw the movie.  (Am I THAT old? :-*)  An entire
toy industry sprang up which imortalized items I, as an adult at the time,
considered "extraneous, unnecessary" information.  I read that Lucas felt
that this movie was not going to have much success in the box office.  In
that case, you try to wrap up a story in a way that it doesn't REQUIRE a
second movie to explain it.  The audience, watching the first movie, and,
expecting evil to be vanquished, naturally assumed Vader was killed when
his ship spun out into space.  I was an actor at the time and a lot more
critical of plots than the ordinary movie-goer so I was usually able to
rip apart a story easier.

I also benifited from being one of the FIRST on my planet to have a VCR.  I
IMMEDIATELY got Star Wars and wound up nearly wearing it out playing it for
my friends.  What you see is what I remember.  I actually had my VCR hooked
up to my AWSOME stereo and heard every beep, bloop, and pop. (OOPS, I am
getting off the subject.)

VERY early into the release of Star Wars, Lucas said in an interview with
the New York Times that Star Wars was the middle of a story, and that he
was determined to produce all nine.  (I am beginning to believe he won't
live long enough, at the rate he's going.)

One thing more:

I am CERTAIN that the EPISODE IV was added just prior to the release of ESB.
I remember the group commenting on it.  I don't, however, have proof.

AHHHH!  The Flames!  THE FLAMES!!!  >:-O>