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From: johnsonc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Chris Johnson)
Subject: China type and related cymbals
Summary: Looking for the ultimate trash
Keywords: cymbals
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:58:09 GMT

I have a 7 pc Pearl Export circa '89.  BTW, I bought it used in '90,
practically unused with Zild New Beat 14", Sabian 18" Med Crash, and
Sab 20" Med ride for $740.  Anyway, I also have a 16" Zild. A Med thin 
Crash.  Currently I am looking for a China type cymbal.  What I want
to hear about:

1)  I play quite hard, but with good enough technique to have never 
cracked a cymbal (yet ;-)).  How durable is a China?  Do they tend to
crack easily?  I would have thought if I would crack a cymbal, then my
16" med thin would have been toast in the 5 years I have slammed it!

2)  What are the characteristics of the different brands/sizes available?

3)  Anyone have a used one they want to get rid of?

4)  Primarily, I am interested in a "smooth" china sound.  I understand
that the point of them are to make a trash can type of sound, but
I still want it to be a "kinder, gentler trash can".  Is there a cymbal
out there that can be hit with hard quarters,  cut through the band with
a low, clean white noise rumble, and perhaps even still be able to get
a accent crash smack every once in a while?

5)  Do people have other ideas of where money may be better spent in
expansion, ie. splashes, tambourine, double pedal, etc.  (I know that
this is up to me, but I seek others info to help me make the best 
decisions.)

Boy, this should cover it!  

I can be e-mailed at johnsonc@spot.colorado.edu, or just post here,
I bet others would be interested in hearing about all of this!

And, finally, I am a college drummer, in a local band, and our
biggest problem are run ins with the cops at parties where we are just
too damn loud!!!!  =>:*I    (the punk, drunk, melancholy rocker)

 Anxiously awaiting responses,

      Chris

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From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Subject: Re: PUREcussion drums
Reply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 04:38:01 GMT

In article <lgj7e3INN97r@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, klc@pirate.Corp.Sun.COM (Kevin Chu) writes:
> Has anybody really used these PUREcussion drums?  I thought they
> were just practice pads, but they're really shell-less drums.
> 
> Not to dis anyone who has one, but why would anyone want one of
> these things?  Is there some advantage that I'm missing?

I've never seen what you're talking about. I imagine you'd get better
tonal quality and control, though, without the shell.

Do they have a snare drum without a shell? And if so, what does it
look like and how does it work?
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From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Subject: Re: Electronic drum set - request for info
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:39:51 GMT

   Big mistake unless you are giggin a ton or recording a ton. Hey, what
a great novelty item. Mine have YET to pay for themselves. They do
attract a crowd though. Anyway...

   I have Yamaha pads and a Yamaha brain (MIDI controller actually). I
trigger the snare stuff with a real snare drum. Ummm, let's see, I
control two different drum machines with it. A Roland R-8m and an Alesis
HR-16 (for sequencing). The Roland is awesome. Great sounds source. The
sounds run into an 8 channel mixer, then to a processor, to an amp and
then out to speakers.

   Pads, MIDI controllers, amps, speakers, etc. are all the same. The
only thing that will matter is the sound generator. The Roland R-8 is by
far the best for the price. The Alesis is EASY to program. The problem
with electric drums is that you NEVER get enough stuff.



                                                - Mike -




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From: petrop@vccsouth23.its.rpi.edu (Philip A. Petrocelli)
Subject: Re: Drumitar Synthe Axe
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:49:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.182819.12867@seq.uncwil.edu> hunnicu@seq.uncwil.edu (jeff hunnicutt) writes:
>Is the SynthAxe Drumitar Roy Wooten plays with the Bela Fleck and
>the Flecktones available commercially? ie can one be purchased at 
>a music store or ordered through a company? I'd like any info I 
>can get on this wonderful instrument. Thanks. 
>-- 
> Jeff Hunnicutt, UNC-Wilmington/Information Systems/Datacommunications 

Well, having seen a Synthaxe before, it is my understanding that all Future Man
is doing is playing a regular Synthaxe WITHOUT the strings.  All the Synthaxe 
is is a MIDI controller.  The strings on what would be the body of a regular
guitar are not even connected to the strings that are running up the neck.  
The frets on the neck I believe have sensors between them, that can measure all
the MIDI-like qualites (pressure, etc), and that transmitted data is translated
into the notes you hear - which come from a MIDI device (keyboard, sampler, 
etc.).  The Synthaxe also has a keyboard of some type on the body.
Theoretically, if all the Synthaxe is is a MIDI controller, which makes it NO
DIFFERENT than a MIDI keyboard or an OctaPad, Future Man should be able to play
what is SHAPED like a guitar, and produce PERCUSSION sounds using it.  I also
understand that he has made a few simple modifications of the Synthaxe to 
facilitate "drumming," like those little round things he presses with his 
fingers.  All that technical stuff, plus "a really whacky" paint job have 
created a buzz about this guy.  If I am correct (and if I'm not, someone will 
UNDOUBTEDLY tell me so), there really is no big deal here at all.  

What I AM impressed with is the DYNAMICS with which he plays, and the QUALITY
of the samples he uses.  I mean he can get all those nuances of a good jazz 
ride shuffle, etc. with that thing/technique .  Either THAT is really cool, or 
I just need to get out more and try out a few of the newer drum machines/
samplers.

Bela Fleck's music is QUALITY.  Who woulda thought that a BANJO could be the
lead instrument in a modern jazz ensemble???  Moreover, who woulda thought that
a great musician like the INCREDIBLE Victor Wooten woulda hung around such a 
crazy idea when he could easily be playing woth Corea's Elektric band or some
other big band of today?  But, I guess the mark of an innovator is one who
doesn't "walk the well-beaten paths," said Einstein.

Hope this helps!!!

Phil, petrop@rpi.edu
From: quigley@boston.sinet.slb.com (Joe Quigley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: List of drum manufacturers, referral needed
Keywords: drum manufacturers, sheet music, lessons
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:17:17 GMT
Reply-To: quigley@boston.sinet.slb.com (Joe Quigley)
Organization: Schlumberger Technologies CAD/CAM Division


Does anyone have a list of addresses and telephone numbers
for drum manufacturers?  I am also interested in sheet music
companies.  

My chops are out-of-shape and now that I have my own place 
with enough room for my kit, I want to get back in shape.
Does anyone have any contacts in the west_of_Boston area
for instruction?  I started playing in 1966 as a kid and
went on to use the Molar (sp?) method for sticking.  I focused
for about 12 years on the rudiments and mostly played in
orchestras, concert bands, and pit bands.  I took lessons in
rock and jazz, but have NO performing experience.  I know
it sounds like a helpless case, but it doesn't hurt to try!!
Besides it is my blood and I need to get back to it.

Thanks in advance,
Joe Quigley
quigley@boston.sinet.slb.com
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From: robh@meaddata.com (Rob Hoeting)
Subject: Re: Drumkit cost..
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:42:47 GMT
Distribution: na

|>> By the way, as a beginner you can go a long way towards learning to
|>> play with just a snare drum and some beginner technique books.1z It's
|>> not as glitzy and fun as a whole set, but a damn good way to learn the
|>>basics.
|> 
 I agree that learning technique, rudiments, etc. are crucial to
 developing talent, but I think if all I had was a snare and a beginner
 book for the first year, I would have probably quit. I found that
 stuff boring until I learned basic set skills and could play with
 simple rock songs. It wasn't until later I gained an appreciation for
 rudiments and developing better chops. I can't say that I'm better now
 than if I would have practiced rudiments from the start.  But I CAN say
 that I at least kept with it and am still playing! 
 
 
 
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From: mcsbc3ktp@dct.ac.uk (Kirk Potter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Pipe Band drummers????
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:13:24 GMT
Organization: should be a Uni!! Stuff the tories!!!

In article <Bxo9z0.L2w@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, raistlin@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Steven White) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.184313.1285@dct.ac.uk> mcsbc3ktp@dct.ac.uk (Kirk Potter) writes:
>>-- 
>>Anyone out there a side-drummer in a pipeband?? I would be pleased to here
>>
>>from you....
>>
>>KIRK
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> 
> Well this is something you don't see to often, of all the drummers I have met
> 
> not once have I ever meet one who was in a pipe band besides myself and of 
> 
> course the other guys in the band.  There just aren't too many people who have
> 
> even seen a bagpipe.  I have to say, some of the best years I've had playing,
> 
> were with the band( St. Andrews of Detroit, MI).  Drum playing in a pipe band
> 
> can also hold its own against almost any other kind.  There is nothing easy or
> 
> shabby about it.  I once saw the Glasgow Police and any one of the snare's 
> 
> could have easily taken the DCI solo snare champ easy, but I guess that's not
> 
> whats important, eh.  Basically, I would recommend playing in a bagpipe to any-
> 
> one.  It is challenging, fun, and you can be seen in public wearing a skirt 
> 
> without being harassed.
> 
> -Steven
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The fact is Steven it is quite a difficult discipline....and if you can play

side-drum for pipe band...you can play drums for anything....ie. bugle bands,

marching bands, kit drums etc.....

As for wearing a skirt....it's great fun!!!!

KIRK

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From: mcsbc3ktp@dct.ac.uk (Kirk Potter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Pipe Band drummers????
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:11:14 GMT
Organization: should be a Uni!! Stuff the tories!!!

In article <RREED.92Nov12174753@mtwire.es.com>, rreed@mtwire.es.com (Rob Reed) writes:
>> Anyone out there a side-drummer in a pipeband?? I would be pleased to here
> 
>> from you....
> 
>> KIRK
> 
> 
> Yo.  I just joined a pipeband here in Salt Lake City, Utah, of all
> places, and I am a "side-drummer".  The terminology is a little new to
> me.  The music notation is also somewhat new.  But I'm starting to
> catch on.
> 
> The local "lead" drummer thinks Alex Duthart was God.  I wouldn't
> know.  I never heard him play.  He wrote a couple of "settings" for
> our group, and I think they are well written.

Duthert was God.....!!!

> 
> So far it's kind of fun, but we're much too sloppy for my tastes.  I'm
> used to drum and bugle corpse drumming.

Pipe-band drumming is much more difficult!!!!!

> 
> Can you recommend some really hot pipe band drumming recordings?  The
> only one I've got is "The Intercontinental Drummers Fanfare",
> featuring: Andrew Scullion, Paul Turner, J. Reid Maxwell, John Keogh,
> and the World Champion Drum Corps of the Boghall and Bathgate
> Caledonia Pipe Band.  It's okay, but I wonder if there's something better.
> I'm amazed that these world class drummers can't play a smooth sustained
> closed roll.

Your last comment confuses me slightly......B & B Drum Corps are the best in
the world as you say....and you can't get any better!!!!!

What do you see as a smooth and sustained roll????

> 
> Comments?
> 
> Rob Reed
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From: hunnicu@seq.uncwil.edu (jeff hunnicutt)
Subject: Drumitar Synthe Axe
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:28:19 GMT



Is the SynthAxe Drumitar Roy Wooten plays with the Bela Fleck and
the Flecktones available commercially? ie can one be purchased at 
a music store or ordered through a company? I'd like any info I 
can get on this wonderful instrument. Thanks. 
-- 
 Jeff Hunnicutt, UNC-Wilmington/Information Systems/Datacommunications 
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From: u509274@csi.UOttawa.CA (U. N. derGrad)
Subject: Speed...
Keywords: Help me!!!
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 23:55:12 GMT


Good day!

I've been playing drums half seriously since seventh grade (now in fourth here at
Ottawa U...)

I learned from records and a very basic Paganini book...

My major problem right now is that I still can't maintain a decently fast 8th
note beat on the cymbals (including hi-hat) without serious pain and cramps in my
forearm.

Can anyone suggest some techniques or exercises for this particular problem.  As
an example, I still, to this day, have never been able to play Walk of Life by
Dire Straits completely at its quite decent speed of 176.

The styles of music I do play regularly are not that demanding and I can fake the
speed by quarter notes...  I would like to reach higher speeds though...

Thanks!


--

"Jerry Speiser (Men at Work) and Terry Williams (DIRE STRAITS) FOREVER!!!"
 
The    Alain Gauthier u509274@csi.UOttawa.CA    The
Al     u509274@csi.UOttawa.CA                    Al
From: c60b-3ho@web-3h.berkeley.edu (Graham Randall)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: to autoco-ordinate or ... (advice to beginning drummers)
Date: 18 Nov 1992 03:33:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-3h.berkeley.edu
Keywords: drums

In article <1992Nov17.202703.14847@ncar.ucar.edu> kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman) writes:
>> = wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong) writes:
>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>  My mimimal must-have list is (the titles may not be exactly right):
>  Jim Chapin     - Coordinated Independence for the Modern Jazz Drummer
>  Carmine Appice - Realistic Rock
>  George Stone   - Stick Control #1  (for general technique)
>  BTW, (to other drummers) how about some sharing your "must-have" lists.
>-Brian

Must have: Drummers Cookbook by John Pickering
--Graham


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From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Subject: The rec.music.makers split
Reply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 17:55:43 GMT

I admit I was skeptical that a percussion group would ever be very
sucessful, from the light traffic the topic received in
rec.music.makers. I have been proven wrong! This is an awesome group.
Thanks to those responsible for the split...
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From: wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong)
Subject: to autoco-ordinate or not to autoco-ordinate, that is the question.
Keywords: drums 
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:17:47 GMT

   Thanks to some of your helpful hints, I'm planning to at least start
with purchasing a snare drum(at least a good start) so I can do some
practicing, cause beating sticks in air doesn't help much. 

   However, I would like to inquire if I should also purchase a 
hi-hat or at least a cymbal(?? you know..the cymbal on a stand.. is
that what you call a clash?  -Yes..I'm a beginner..(wonder what gave
you guys that idea, eh? :))       

   Also, a point about the feet.  While tapping with the sticks on the
wouldbe snaredrum, what should I do with them?  I've noticed that if
I beat on an 'imaginary' snare drum, and tap my feet, my feet get
REALLY tired.  So is this 'tiredness' just a typical reaction for a   
beginner's feet, or am I doing something wrong?  Also, my coordination
seems to be set; that is, when my hands start drumming, even if I
did start tapping at a constant pace, I ALWAYS find myself either
losing my taps(therefore tapping either faster or slower) or I lose
my hand coordination(you know, when I start pretending that my 'sticks'
are hitting a snare drum and a cymbal(?))..

  From what you read above, I think it's suggestable, do you think,
that I also learn the drumming terminology? 8) <big grin>

  Thank you very much for any help in advance.. Much appreciated!

  Ed..
From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: China type and related cymbals
Keywords: cymbals
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:20:48 GMT

In <johnsonc.722199489@spot.Colorado.EDU> johnsonc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Chris Johnson) writes:

>Currently I am looking for a China type cymbal.  What I want
>to hear about:

>1)  I play quite hard, but with good enough technique to have never 
>cracked a cymbal (yet ;-)).  How durable is a China?  Do they tend to
>crack easily?

Only if you play them inverted (which most people do).  That puts a lot
more stress on the centre of the China, and will probably cause it to
crack there faster.  I had one that cracked within 3 months....

>2)  What are the characteristics of the different brands/sizes available?

That I can't answer for you.  I have Zildjian chinas, and I think they're
great.  Wuhans are probably even better, since they are authentic.

>3)  Anyone have a used one they want to get rid of?

I'm selling my A. Zildjian 20" China Boy Low.....

>4)  Primarily, I am interested in a "smooth" china sound.  I understand
>that the point of them are to make a trash can type of sound, but
>I still want it to be a "kinder, gentler trash can".  Is there a cymbal
>out there that can be hit with hard quarters,  cut through the band with
>a low, clean white noise rumble, and perhaps even still be able to get
>a accent crash smack every once in a while?

.....oh well, forget my china then.  :)  It sounds like a grenade went
off right next to you.  It definitely is meant to be played loud.  Which
is why I also have an 18" A. Zildjian China Boy High.  But I'm not
selling it.  :)

>5)  Do people have other ideas of where money may be better spent in
>expansion, ie. splashes, tambourine, double pedal, etc.  (I know that
>this is up to me, but I seek others info to help me make the best 
>decisions.)

Splash.  Definitely.  I have all three things you mentioned, and I use
my splash much more than the other two.  I also have cowbells, and use
them frequently, but still not as much as my splash.  Get a few!  I
plan to....:)

>And, finally, I am a college drummer, in a local band, and our
>biggest problem are run ins with the cops at parties where we are just
>too damn loud!!!!  =>:*I    (the punk, drunk, melancholy rocker)

That's gonna happen.  Just play as much as you can, until the cops
come by and break it up.  There's nothing you can do about it really.


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From: sym@aber.ac.uk (Stuart McIntyre)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Drumkit cost..
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:19:27 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Nov12.173458.23364@u.washington.edu> tracer@carson.u.washington.edu (David P. Tracer) writes:

>Even less glitzy than that but also a damn good way to learn basics is one
>or a set of "practice pads".  When I first took lessons (at the tender age
>


Does anyone know if these are still available, at what cost? (Especially     
the UK prices, roughly; I dont dare try to work out the cost here!)

Thanks

stuart
     

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