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From: csmith@cis.ohio-state.edu (craig edward smith)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: Expending Political Capital on Gay/Military
Date: 26 Jan 1993 15:33:39 -0500
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu
Keywords: gays, military

In article <26JAN199313274686@scsud.ctstateu.edu> aboufadel@scsud.ctstateu.edu (ABOUFADEL,E) writes:
>You know, I've been wondering about the wisdom of attempting to lift the bans
>on gays in the military AT THIS TIME.  The Clinton administration is going
>through a honeymoon period, and it seems to me that if the administration
>is going to use some of the goodwill, it would use it on the economy (stupid).
>
>If this move angers too many people, Clinton is going to have a very hard time
>pushing through his big legislation (health care, possible consumption tax,
>campaign reform).
>
>On the other hand, perhaps because none of the big legislation is ready yet
>(unfortunately), working on lifting the ban distracts people (e.g. the media)
>from complaining that nothing is happening in Washington.
>
>Thoughts?

Well frankly, I think Clinton is under a lot of pressure from the special
interest groups who backed him and have been waiting for twelve years for
"their day" and will not wait any more.

Clinton is having a tough time, I'm sure, in keeping it under control so
that not too many changes are made at once, at least not the more
unpopular ones. I think he will fail in this, since this chief advisor,
his wife, seems to want to go gangbusters.

I predict, based on what I've seen in the first week, a very rough four
years, both for Clinton, and for the country at large.

----
"The main flaw of Creation Theory is that it depends too much on conjecture
and miracles, and the main flaw of Evolution Theory is that it depends too
much on conjecture and miracles."
Craig Edward Smith (csmith@cis.ohio-state.edu)
Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:48:33 EST
From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: Clinton`s flip-flop on China
 <93019.235123MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>

In article <93019.235123MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>, Mark 'Mark' Sachs
<MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> says:

>In article <1993Jan16.034345.22985@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>,
>garrod@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (David Garrod) says:
>>During the presidential campaign Slick Willy several times
>>criticized Bush giving Favored Nation status to China.
>>Clinton has now jsut said he believes it appropriate to continue
>>the favored nation status. !  Is this flip-flop #4 or 5?

>I CALL YOU ON THIS ONE. Please cite to me exactly when, where, and
>under what circumstances Clinton stated that he had changed his mind
>and would give MFN status to China.

Well, it's been a few days. Looks like he couldn't. Clinton's
anti-MFN for China position stands.

And I'm rather glad, too, because this was one of the major issues
in the campaign for me. It was rather upsetting to find out that mere
days after the brutal, bloodthirsty Communist dictatorship in China
had slaughtered thousands of students peacefully protesting for
democracy and freedom in Tianan'men Square, high-level Bush Administration
officials had scuttled off to Beijing to cravenly apologize to the Chinese
government for American statements condemning the massacre!

This was an outrage, and merely cemented in my mind the realization
that Bush and his administration were nothing more than the lowest of
opportunistic, Realpolitiking, money-grubbing scum. Thank God they're
out of there.

     "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets."
[Your blood pressure just went up.]        Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
   DISCLAIMER: Penn State University cares about my money, not my opinions.
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
From: brucek@Ingres.COM (Bruce Kleinman)
Subject: Re: Top-10 List
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:05:05 GMT

In article <1k6svkINNg2q@skat.usc.edu> valdis@skat.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs) writes:
>
>10. Wondering if Labor Secretary Frank Reich was a munchkin in the "Wizard
>    of Oz".

You mean ROBERT Reich.   Frank's the backup QB in Buffalo.  Can't
imagine what you could have been thinking of...

>
>1. CANT'T WAIT TO VOTE FOR JACK KEMP IN'96!!
>

...oh, now I see the connection!

Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: johne@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (John Eaton)
Subject: Re: homosexuals in the military and "pro-life"
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:37:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Howard Black (cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu) wrote:
: 
:     Incredible non-sequitur.  I thought OR was against abortion.  So,
: you're saying that since abortion exists, despite the efforts of OR, that
: this guy figures he shouldn't pay child support?  Please clarify this
: bizzare connection.
: -- 
It's very simple. The reason we had mandatory child support laws is that we
used to have have a no choice society. If society forces a woman to become
a mother then it is only proper that that the father is also forced to help
support the child.

The problem is that RvW freed the mother but did not free the father. It's
like Lincoln freeing the slaves but still requireing the old slave owners
to feed,cloth and house them. One tactic that OR may use is to exploit this
issue. They could argue that a society that allows pro-choice for a woman
should not be able to require the father to support a child that the 
woman chooses to have on her own. If such a case could be made then you
would see two effects:

Pro-choice women who think child support is the neatest thing since sliced
bread would leave the movement.

Many nonvocal people on neither side would move to the OR side.


The results could be politically interesting.



John Eaton
!hp-vcd!johne



Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
From: avogadro@well.sf.ca.us (Michael D. Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Email address.!?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:37:14 GMT

In <1k3fqlINNntg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cn660@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Crisy D. Miller) writes:

>Does any one know President Clinton's Internet Email address.??
>And/or Vice Pres. Gore's.??

>I have his "Public Access Email" address, when he was in Ark.
>-"Office of the President-Elect"
>-75300.3115@compuserve.com
>Would this still be the same, does anyone know.?
>Does anyone know his Personal Email address.??
>-
>A message should be sent to him concerning his Energy Tax proposal.!!
>-DO WE NEED MORE TAXES.??

The same compuserve ID (and hence the same Internet email address) is still
being used by the White House communications staff devoted to electronic
communications.  Jock Gill was the point man for Email and CI$ activity on 
behalf of the campaign, then for the Office of President Elect; he has been 
named the person in charge of White House on-line communications, reporting
to Jeffrey Eller.  Of course, the name "office of the President-Elect"
should be changed.  %^)

-- 
Michael D. Sullivan <avogadro@well.sf.ca.us> <74160.1134@compuserve.com>
-- 
Michael D. Sullivan <avogadro@well.sf.ca.us> <74160.1134@compuserve.com>
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
From: mjkugel@iastate.edu (Michael J Kugel)
Subject: Re: Flip-flop?!?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:08:28 GMT

In article <30753@castle.ed.ac.uk> barryb@castle.ed.ac.uk (Barry A T Brown) writes:
>In article <C17r2r.LxI@news.iastate.edu>, mjkugel@iastate.edu (Michael J Kugel) writes:
>|> |> In article <30589@castle.ed.ac.uk> barryb@castle.ed.ac.uk (Barry A T Brown) writes:
>|> |> >In article <1993Jan18.140800.5403@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, ggoebel@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Garrett Goebel) writes:
>|> |> >
>|> |> >
>|> |> >|> 3) Isn't the budget the issue?
>|> |> >|> 
>|> |> >|> Foreign policy and economic stimulus aside, the best possible thing the
>|> |> >|> Clinton administration could do would be to cut the budget deficit.  If
>|> |> >|> that means dropping every single campaign promise to get the job done, he
>|> |> >|> will have proven himself a great President.
>|> |> >|> 
>|> |> >|> Really now, we should all know buy now that government intervention in
>|> |> >|> the market place means increased inefficiency.  
>|> |> >
>|> |> >This is a point that conservatives like to "presume" has been proved.  If
>|> |> >anything the contrary is true - The Japanise, Korean and German governments
>|> |> >all take a very active government intervention policy.  Countrys that don't-
>|> |> >e.g Britain + America have less successful economys.
>|> |> 
>|> |> Less successful economies by what standard?  The US has the highest GDP
>|> |> per capita of any industrial economy and the highest productivity in
>|> |> the world.  Europe has been practicing state intervention (like industrial
>|> |> policy) for the last 20 years and it hasn't worked.
>|> |> 
>|> |> 
>|> |> 
>|> |> Mike.
>|> 
>What definition of "hasn't worked" are you using?  If we compare the best example
>of a "free market laissez-faire" economy, ie America with the best example of a hands-on mixed social democratic ecomomy like Germany I think you get a different result.  Pre-unification Germany has far higher growth, standard of living and a stronger soc|> ial fabric than America in the last ten years.  Mesurements of GDP per capita is a very difficult statistic to quantify - what currency is it measured in ? Usually American Dollars which when measuring American GDP are not subject to currency flut
>
> Barry
>
>  


I don't understand your objection (maybe because I'm having trouble
reading your posts).  What do you base standard of living on?  I admit
GDP per capita is an imperfect measure of wealth, but it is the best we
have, and on this measure the US is roughly 20% higher than Germany
(according to the Economist).  More importantly, the US has a higher
level of productivity---a strong measure of competitiveness---than any
other nation.  In recent years, Germany's productivity has been catching
up with our own but rate of this gain has slowed.
From: csmith@cis.ohio-state.edu (craig edward smith)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: My man Al!
Date: 25 Jan 1993 11:20:03 -0500
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu
Keywords: Can you say... George?

In article <21716@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu writes:

>You're not giving us much to go on here, Mike. Was the portrait of 
>Washington a recognizable one (we've all seen the guy with the cloud-like
>hair, and we've all seen the uncompleted painting)?

>If you're posting (and please, post!) fill us in a little more. That way,
>we can either rag on Al Gore, or we can rag on you. Either way, we stand
>to win, and you might win too!

Okay, let's talk about fair. Dan Quayle was brought into a spelling bee
and handed a card with the word "potatoe" written on it. Since this is
an alternate (if obscure) spelling, he fully expected it to be the spelling
that was being taught to the children there, so he asked the child for
the final letter.

People are STILL calling him a bad speller.

What's sauce for the goose....

-----
"The main flaw of Creation Theory is that it depends too much on conjecture
and miracles, and the main flaw of Evolution Theory is that it depends too
much on conjecture and miracles."
Craig Edward Smith (csmith@cis.ohio-state.edu)
From: cn660@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Crisy D. Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
Subject: DO WE NEED MORE TAXES.??
Date: 26 Jan 1993 14:04:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cn660@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Crisy D. Miller)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Every one that reads this, and Can send Email, should send a E-note to
President Clinton Concerning the Energy Tax, that he is proposing.!
Do we need more Taxes, on Gasoline, Natural Gas, Heating Oil.!!??
These Taxes will effect the poor, & elderly also, who can't afford more Taxes.
The Governor of Ohio just signed a Bill (Dec.92), to increase taxes on gasoline
in Ohio, for road construction.! Every time the government needs money, Tax
gasoline.! I know, I know,..."The USA pays the least for Gasoline than almost
any other country in the World. (Except Iraq)" Does that mean that Gasoline
tax, or Oil tax, or Energy tax, or Whatever tax it is called,... should always
be the scapegoat, or answer for more money.!! Make the poor people suffer more.!
The poorer class of people have to drive to work, & the grocery store as well.
And there wages are less.  Everybody that drives, doesn't drive a nice new car,
(and all that do, can't afford it) & make a lot of money, as it looks like the
government thinks.

I thought Clinton was going to stop Taxing the poor class.!!   Actually, I
thought Clinton was going to *Lower* the taxes of the poor & middle class.
Instead, he is trying to think up ways to tax us *More*, instead of *Less*.
I guess, once your in office, it doesn't matter whether your Republican, or
Democrat,... Add more taxes. Tax the poor. Make the little person suffer. He
can't fight back.! He isn't important, he just does the manual labor, the hard
labor that keeps America going.  But *TAX* him to death. Right.!!

[The King in "The Wizard of Id" said:"We need more money. Lets add more taxes.
Let's see,... we Have a Income Tax,... lets call it a Out Go Tax."]
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From: birmingh@fnalo.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton blows it twice in just 3 days!
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:24:30 -0600
Organization: Deep Thirteen
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalo.fnal.gov

In article <1993Jan24.193840.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu>, cvafy006@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu (Daniel Rouse, Jr.) writes:
> 
> 	Clinton is stupid!  In the three days in office he has allowed gays in
> the military and lifted the gag rule!
> 
> 	First of all, gays do not belong in the military...we need toughies,
> not pseudo-men.  Most gays are either effeminite or else they are like beasts

         Actually, we need intelligent, technically-capable men who can
    learn to operate the equipment. Most such people who can pass basic
    training should do just fine.

> (in other words, they either are too compassionate or else they are all over
> everyone).  The military needs a balance of the two--which only hetrosexuals
> have.  Don't pull the "substitute black" reply because I'm referring to
> homosexuals of ALL RACES, COLORS, AND CREEDS.  They don't belong in the
> military!  A heterosexual has a more "stable" brain which can both be tough and
> be compassionate--a homosexual's brain has a disorder (as medical evidence has
> tried to prove to rationalize this irregular behavior) which prevents him/her
> from being both!

         Ha, ha, very funny, Dr. Mengele. Did you read this in the New
    England Journal of Medicine?

> 	And now for the gag rule!  Clinton should have left it.  My tax dollars
> fund federal clinics--and I don't want my tax dollars paying any practicioner

         Well, so do mine, and I don't want practitioners under my pay
    withholding information!

> who counsels someone on the ooption of abortion!  Abortion is not a natural
> method of birth--therefore, it should not exist...except for an emergency rape
> case!

         Yeah, folks, I know I've stooped on this post, but I really think
    the pseudoscientific bullshit in the first paragraph is worthy of more
    ridicule than I heaped upon it.

-- 
 Phillip J. Birmingham   birmingh@fnal.fnal.gov  
 I don't speak for Fermilab, although my mouth is probably big enough...
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: gslars@staff.tc.umn.edu (Greg Larson)
Subject: Re: Clinton blows it twice in just 3 days!
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:46:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.193840.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu> cvafy006@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu (Daniel Rouse, Jr.) writes:
>	Clinton is stupid!  In the three days in office he has allowed gays in
>the military and lifted the gag rule!
>
>	First of all, gays do not belong in the military...we need toughies,
>not pseudo-men.
[more similar stuff deleted]

Frankly, the people in the military who are worried about being around
gays are probably too socially unfit to be there, and lifting the
ban might help to weed out these very undesireable people.


>	And now for the gag rule!  Clinton should have left it.  My tax dollars
>fund federal clinics--and I don't want my tax dollars paying any practicioner
>who counsels someone on the ooption of abortion!  Abortion is not a natural
>method of birth--therefore, it should not exist...except for an emergency rape
>case!

C-sections are unnatural -- they shouldn't exist.
Heart transplants are unnatural -- they shouldn't exist.
(and on and on)

  (By the way Rouse, do you have the donor box checked on your driver's
   license?  Probably not, since that is unnatural.)



(PS: abortion isn't any method of birth at all.)

>
>-- 
>Signed,
>
>Daniel Rouse, Jr.
>Sophomore, Computer Engineering 
>California State Polytechnic University, Pomona (Cal Poly, Pomona)
>Email: cvafy006@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu

Hmmm, I bet someone else's tax dollars are going to subsidize your
education.  No sir, I don't like it.


Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
From: vsg001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: DON'T Confirm Les Aspen
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:25:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.185021.3048@tellab5.tellabs.com>, lee@tellabs.com (Eric Lee) writes:
> I say Les Aspen should not be confirmed as Secretary of
> Defense until he can learn to say _nuclear_ instead of
> _nucular_ as he did throughout his confirmation hearings.

Naaahh!! With Aspen the Democrats will give the Republicans their most desired
dream: Someone who rivals Dan Qualye in language! Mark my words, I come from
Les Aspin's former distrct (Beloit, Wis) he will provide well needed laughs for
the next four years!

--Vince
Xref: sparky alt.president.clinton:1876 alt.politics.elections:25238 talk.politics.misc:70227
From: msheldon@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Marti Sheldon)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: homosexuals in the military and "pro-life"
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:11:44 GMT
Distribution: usa

Two questions to consider:

1)  Has anyone noticed that very few woman (civilian or military)
have a problem with the idea of homosexuals serving in the military?  
What's the matter with you male homophobes?  a little unsure 
of your own sexuality?

2)  Did you hear that the vice-president of Operation Rescue resigned?
He hadn't been paying his court-ordered child support and was threatened
with jail for it.  Funny isn't it?  He seems to feel that every fetus
should be carried to term, but once born, he doesn't give a damn --
even for his own children.
From: ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: DON'T Confirm Les Aspen
Date: 23 Jan 93 18:26:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <1993Jan20.185021.3048@tellab5.tellabs.com> lee@tellabs.com (Eric Lee) writes:
>I say Les Aspen should not be confirmed as Secretary of
>Defense until he can learn to say _nuclear_ instead of
>_nucular_ as he did throughout his confirmation hearings.

Haha! Well, hopefully if he can't pronounce it right he won't be able to
launch them right either.

Dan
From: mdl@cypress.com (Matt Landrum)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: Albert Gore, Jr.
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:02:33 GMT
	<1993Jan22.221615.539@hsh.com>
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Southeast Design Center

In article <1993Jan22.221615.539@hsh.com> paul@hsh.com writes:

   In article <MDL.93Jan20152002@nv.cypress.com>, mdl@cypress.com (Matt Landrum) writes:
   > In article <1993Jan20.044243.13109@cs.ucla.edu> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
   > 
   > we see some interesting info.... then
   > 
   >    He was raised with a silver spoon in his mouth and his decision to
   >    name his son "Albert Gore III" seems to indicate a commitment to
   >    aristocratic...
   > 
   > I just couldn't resist pulling that out.  Give me a break!  
   > ...Attacking a guy for what he names his son.  I'll try to overlook
   > this and examine the rest of the posting objectively (if I can
   > stop laughing)

   Fairness Check!  ...what about all those mean-spirited people ridiculing
   "George Herbert Walker Bush" and "J Danforth Quayle"?  Was that not
   _basically_ the same thing -- making fun of someone because of the name he
   gave or received? 

Two wrongs don't make a right, but that is a fair point.

   C'mon, Matt -- are you now, or have you ever been, one of "them"?

   Kee-rist, I thought we ALL gave that up, somewhere back in third grade.

Me too.  I'm changing my name to Matthew Said Mohammed Walker Rockefeller.
--


Matt Landrum, CAD Engineer      | e-mail: mdl@cypress.com
Cypress Southeast Design Center | office: (601) 324-4609, FAX - 4614
1 Research Blvd, Suite 200      | "You can get what you want if you
Starkville, MS  39759           | know how to find it." -- Tower of Power
From: willson@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Allen R. Willson)
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: looks like Billary after all...
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:18:09 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1993Jan26.033243.1290@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>
>and those are mostly true. but now it seems she -was- running for
>office. and good ol' slick is giving her one. an important one.
>guess what? i don't mind. what i -do- mind, is that when we 
>originally asked about what the !@#$ she was planning to do once she 
>got in, our questions were deflected & looked down upon. now that it 
>turns out they were legitimate, they're only useful one more case 
>where "Jefferson" (*GAG*) has been less than completely honest.
>
>jason
>

Not to mention that this was supposedly made illegal after JFK tried
to give an important office position to a family member.

This is technically against the law, and should be upheld by our
attorney general. . . however, we have no attorney general, but
that's another story.

We seem to be experiencing not only a re-interpretation of our
president's own words, but also the re-interpretation of the laws
which may conflict with anything he wants to do.

-Allen

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bill's recipe for success:
1)  Tell people anything you want
2)  Wait a while
3)  Deny number 1
4)  Perpetuate mass confusion so you can get away with it
	a) use tons of infogarbage
	b) allow the press to flood the airwaves with their
	   own subjective opinions conveniently masked behind
	   the new version of the sound-bite (5-second news clips).
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