From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: CSPAN Voter Manipulation
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:50:34 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <21896@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:

>In article <BxtsIy.H9r@NeoSoft.com> hari@NeoSoft.com (Doug Andersen) writes:
>>It's not hard at all John.  Of course you can't prove much if you stick
>>with rankings.  Pick out some statistics, employment, literacy, poverty,
>>whatever.  Your choice.  Show that things got worse under Clinton and that
>>he caused economic damage to Arkansas.

>I think you are missing the point.  NOTHING got better.  When you rank
>49th, it's pretty hard to get much worse.

Well, no.  I think you are missing the point.  If you're 49th and
there's a big gap above you, then you can get a lot 'better' without
that number changing.  Also a lot worse, if the gap is on the other
side. 

>OK.  You insist on some "thing".  In 1980, Arkansas had an average income
>level that was 78% of the national average.  It was the same in 1989 or
>so.

Now then, one more bit of necessary fact to make a determination on
this one -- what did the income distribution for the 'national
average' look like?  If a few populous states showed big gains while
most others were losing ground, staying in one place can be an
achievement.  In any case, this hardly sounds like 'damage'.

>As the distinguished Senator from Delaware said to me once, "Where's
>the beef?"  Where's the big improvement?  There ain't no big improvement!
>And for your first clue, Clinton is now saying there won't be a big
>improvement in the US economy.  He isn't even President and he's already
>broken his word about

>	* Economic stimulus package (says he might not be able to get
>	  it passed)

How is recognizing reality that he MIGHT not be able to get it passed
equated to 'breaking his word'?

>	* Middle class tax cut (says the country may not be able to
>	  afford it)

Again, MIGHT not.

>	* Gays in the military (says it isn't as simple as he thought,
>	  so he's going to have a commission look into it)

Again, no promise broken -- just not running off a cliff without
looking.  Sounds damned PRUDENT to me.

>The next clue is

>	* Housing is the most affordable it's been in 18 years

Because the housing industry is in the toilet, so things are being
sold at 'distress prices'

>	* Unemployment is the lowest in two years

Gee, TWO WHOLE YEARS.  Ignoring, of course, the tiny fact that we had
to come up from underneath on that one.

>	* Total jobs are the highest in American history

And average wage?

>	* George Bush is still the President

Yeah, but not for long, and we all know that.  It's the expectational
effect that is creating part of that economic bounce.

>In short, if Clinton is saying we won't get an improvement, why the hell
>did you guys vote for him?  So the rest of the country can be just like
>Arkansas - no improvement?

IF?  Well, IF cows could fly, we'd all probably carry large umbrellas,
JOhn. 

>Bill Clinton has promised everyone everything he could.  At least George
>Bush waited two years to break his word.  Bill Clinton took about one
>week.

How can he break promises about what he'll try to do WHEN HE'S IN
OFFICE when his ISN'T IN OFFICE YET?  This is a stretch even for you,
John. 

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