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From:         Gleason Sackman <sackman@plains.nodak.edu>
Subject:      Re: Info for Russian response (fwd)

This message is cross posted to EDTECH in the hope that someone could
help the fellow in Russia out.

I x-posted at the request of bob bocher.

Thanks.


>
> >---------- Text of forwarded message ----------
> >
> To:      rbocher@macc.wisc.edu
> Subject: Re: School Networking to Bob Bocher
>
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 09:53:44 +
> Organization: Academy of Sciences
> X-Mailer: BML "MS/DOS Beauty Mail v.1.33"
>
>      Dear Bob Bocher,
>
>      I've    read    message    ""NEWS"    School    networking"    in
> bit.listserv.pacs-l newsgroup and I want more info about projects  and
> services the russian  teachers  and/or  students  might participate or
> use by E-mail.
>      I am a  postmaster  of Relcom  E-mail office.  I try  to  support
> network programs for schools in Russia.
>
>      Regards,
> ________________________________________________________________________
>  Sergei V. Makogonov,               cenior system programmer
>  Russian Academy of Sciences,       Phone : +7 421-0 33-49-54
>  Far Eastern Division,              E-mail: 1421@as.khabarovsk.su
>  Computer Center.                   Mail  : 65, Kim Yo Chen street,
>                                             Khabarovsk, 680063, Russia
>
>     ++ Bob Bocher, WI State Lib. (aka: Division for Library Services) ++
>        +++ 608-266-2127  fax 608-267-1052  Madison WI  53707-7841 +++
>          ++++ rbocher@wiscmacc.bitnet    rbocher@macc.wisc.edu ++++
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:11:29 EST
From:         Bruce Carter <bcarter@claven.idbsu.edu>
Subject:      Re: omnicode on micros?

Greetings George,

>I was under the impression that Apple's system 7.1 was going to incorporate
>WorldScript, which explicitely uses omnicode fonts.  Or have I been misled?

7.1 does indeed include WorldScript, it is built into the system.
Unfortunately, the USA versions do not include the auxilliary files to actually
make it do anything.  You'll have to contact Apple about arranging to get them.
                                     <->
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From:         MUFFOLETTO@iscsvax.uni.edu
Subject:      Re: Social Constructions

This discussion is moving along in interesting ways.... may I suggest that
we begin to consider a book that addresses multi-perspectives on ed tech and
social constructions.

let me know

bob muffoletto
muffoletto@uni.edu
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From:         MUFFOLETTO@iscsvax.uni.edu
Subject:      Re: Social Constructions

Jerry,

how would the idea of "emblem" fit with root metaphor.... an emblem is the
merging of 2 symbolic forms  ie: a shield with a lyon on it.

bob muffoletto
muffoletto@uni.edu
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:06:20 EST
From:         Lillian <NTUT165@TWNMOE10.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Ph.D programs in IT

Is there IT program in University of Wisconsin - Madison ?

ntut165@twnmoe.edu.bit
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From:         MUFFOLETTO@iscsvax.uni.edu
Subject:      Re: Ph.D programs in IT

You should also consider the Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison.  You learn
to "think" about this field within a larger context.

bob muffoletto
muffoletto@uni.edu
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:59:29 EST
From:         "CHARLES SUNDIN, CHAIR, CHEMISTRY" <SUNDIN_C@ucs.uwplatt.edu>
Subject:      Computer Fees

Fred Culpepper Writes-

>Do we have a fee for all teaching materials used in the classroom?

>        1.  Do we charge a nickle each for students looking at
>a transparency on the screen?

>        2.  Do we charge students a dime each time a video is
shown in the classroom?

>        3.  Do we charge each student who receives a sheet of
>paper handed out by the instructor to supplement the material
>in the textbook?

>        4.  Are pay-stalls used in the restrooms?

>While I have listed some rather obvious and one could say
>trivial questions, each is based upon a technological advance
>in public schools and universities over the years, yes even
>including #4.  Why a separate fee for computer use?  If the
>school feels it is an absolute necessity to learning (and I
>doubt there would be any disagreement on this), the cost should
>be covered in the budget of the institution.

>If the instutition's budget doesn't have sufficient amounts
>listed to operate a computer lab, then when budget time
>arrives, a stronger case should be made for an increase in
>funding.  If a strong case for the increase cannot be made,
>then there is some problem in communications within the
>administrative path.

Each one of the aforementioned improvements resulted in an increase in
the cost of instruction.  Either tuition went up or the taxpayers
portion went up, or both.  The cost probably went up in small
amounts.  However, currently we have two major problems that I think
are different.

1.  Both the taxpayers and the students feel that they are now paying
    too much for education.  Increases in expenses are very hard to
    sell.

2.  The explosion in Information Technology uses makes the time-honored
    incremental mode (let's put an overhead projector in each building
    this year and two per building next year, etc., until we get a
    projector in each classroom) unsatisfactory.  Ten years ago we could
    say to the humanities and social science faculty, "the science and
    matematics faculty and students need computers more than you.
    Wait."  Waiting time is over.  The computer needs of my freshmen
    chemistry students no longer are more significant then the needs
    in freshmen English, or sociology, or library usage, or, or, etc.

We need a big addition to the "Information Technology" infrastructure.
We have to sell it and we have to convince the "buyers" that it is going
to go for what we say it's going for.  The fee concept locks it in.

I don't know if in the past additional funds were requested for need X
and then spent for X, Y, and Z.  I do know our Board of Regents has been
actively trying to get additional funds, but with great difficulty.

The fee idea has been used in many places.  It would be interesting to
hear if there is any institution that started "computer fees" and now
regrets it.

Charles Sundin, University of Wisconsin-Platteville
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Date:         Sun, 3 Jan 1993 17:15:41 EST
From:         Gleason Sackman <sackman@plains.nodak.edu>
Subject:      New World Factbook (from NETTRAIN)

---------- Text of forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 10:46:00 CST
From: Jim Milles <MILLESJG@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list NETTRAIN <NETTRAIN@ubvm.bitnet>
Subject: New World Factbook

Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 07:01:05 CST
From: "Michael S. Hart" <HART@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>

world192.zip and .txt are being posted to mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
cd etext/etext93

Contains the elusive Appendix E (Standard and non-standard names
of the various countries included in the almanac.


Happy New Year!

=====================================================

Thank you for your interest,

Michael S. Hart, Professor of Electronic Text
Executive Director of Project Gutenberg Etext
Illinois Benedictine College, Lisle, IL 60532
No official connection to U of Illinois--UIUC
hart @uiucvmd.bitnet or hart@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu

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Subject:      Re: LITERATURE PROGRAMS

Gary:
Look at the Nov 13, 1991 edition of the Chronicle of Higher Education,
the Dec 22. l991 MY Times, the Apple TV Series Imagine for Feb or
March l992, CNN (send me a tape and I send you a dubbing of the
CNN report), ABC (ditto) or the Oct 1992 edition of T.H.E. Journal.
This will give you an idea of what the Odyssey project is about or
call me for more info. Good luck.


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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:47:08 EST
From:         HANEINS@NYUACF.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Ph.D programs in IT

does anyone know if University of Pittsburgh has a program in IT that is
any good?

thanks,
shirley hanein
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From:         Ben Seaberry <bseaber@eis.CalState.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Ph.D programs in IT

I also thought this question would get alot more responses. I plan to
enter an Ph.D program in IT very soon, and was hoping for more responses.
Perhaps many people are away from their computers during the holidays.

Since you seem to know about various IT programs, I would like to ask you,
have you heard of the University of Colorado's Educational Technology
program? Does it have a reputation for anything? I would appreciate
hearing from  you. At this time I'm considering UNC and your own, ASU for
doctoral studies.
Thanks,
Ben Seaberry
bseaber@eis.calstate.edu

On Wed, 23 Dec 1992, John Barnard wrote:

> I though this question would get a flurry of responses, but since it hasn't
> heres my two cents worth. The names I generally hear most often associated
> with the best IT programs are Florida State, Indiana, and Syracuse. Now as far
> as my own partisanship is concerned, I also think Arizona State has a good
> reputation in the field. We have Ph.D programs in both instructional
> technology and educational media.
>
> John Barnard, Instructional Media Consultant
> University Media Systems
> Arizona State University  602/965-5046 / FAX 602/965-1738
> ICSJPB@ASUACAD.BITNET or ICSJPB@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU
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From:         MBEAM@UTOROISE.BITNET
Subject:      Re:some differences among change, innovation, restructuring etc?

One reference for educational change might be
a book by Michael Fullan "The New Meaning of Educational Change"
publisher unknown - the book is at home and I am at work.
His work is generally very good - he even does the
occasional pieces on implementing technology in schools
that are very helpful.
Mary Beam
mbeam@utoroise.bitnet
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Date:         Fri, 25 Dec 1992 14:46:39 EST
From:         MUFFOLETTO@iscsvax.uni.edu
Subject:      Re: IQ (Does it really matter?)

I'm not sure that IQ is important or meaningful at all except that it refers to
other issues and concerns.  Maybe we should shift this discussion from IQ
as a form to questions of control?

When ever I read/hear/etc anyhting on what our "kids" should be learning
in school a red flag pops up (a nice hypercard trick) .... who determines
what should be learned and why.... the history of education is a series
of conflicts over the control of the curriculum..... this is nicely
demonstrated by current interest groups outside education-- putting the
screws to education--

so.. maybe your right.. IQ is not important.... the bigger issues may be, IQ is
only "a" form they take.

bob muffoletto
muffoletto@uni.edu
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Subject:    3-D Medical Imaging S/W

Is anyone aware of any AIX software available in the area of 3D medical
imaging for the RS/6000?
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Date:         Fri, 25 Dec 1992 20:14:14 -0500
From:         Everett Dowd <edowd@ESUSDA.GOV>
Subject:      Re: 721-116 : Protocol Error
              25, 92 11:55:14 am

If I'm right and this isn't an IBM drive, it will not pass IBM
diagnostics.. You should go ahead and set up a volume group and
everything should be ok. I have a Seagate on my 320 and it will not pass
all of the diagnostics....

Happy Holidays!

--
Everett Dowd
edowd@esusda.gov

Scott J Ellentuch asks
>
> Hi all,
>
>         I really hate to cross post like this, but I need some help (Ok, those
> of you that said mental, thats a WHOLE other story).
>
>         I just received my brandy new GIG external SCSI disk drive.  I broke
> out the device/device cable, the power cable, the drive, the ma.... HEY, no
> manual!  Ok, no biggie, how DIFFICULT can it be.
>
>         I looked on my system... HMMM...
>
> + scsi0             00-01             SCSI I/O Controller
> + hdisk1            00-01-00-00       400 MB SCSI Disk Drive
> + cd0               00-01-00-40       CD-ROM Drive
> + rmt0              00-01-00-50       150 MB 1/4-Inch Tape Drive
>
>         Ok, so lets see.  I'll set it for "1".  And I put it on the end
> of the line (CPU->RMT0->CD0->New disk drive->TERMINATOR)
>
>         Now it looks like :
>
> + scsi0             00-01             SCSI I/O Controller
> + hdisk1            00-01-00-00       400 MB SCSI Disk Drive
> + hdisk0            00-01-00-10       Other SCSI Disk Drive
> + cd0               00-01-00-40       CD-ROM Drive
> + rmt0              00-01-00-50       150 MB 1/4-Inch Tape Drive
>
>         (Ok, I don't know WHY my disk was 1, and the new one is 0.)  Anyway,
> I went into the disk diagnostics (Ver 1.3) and did a certify.  It came back
> that EVERYTHING was ok, and it was 1045 Meg.  So, I went and did a hdisk0
> diagnostic, and it comes out with :
>
>                         721-116: Protocol Error
>
>         I can't get a hold of anyone since it IS X-Mas.... And I need to get
> this in before the New Year.
>
>
>                         Thanks...Scott
>
> PS - Personal replies will speed the process.
>
> --
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:07:00 EST
From:         Steve Greenfield <FEATS@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      AIXwindows

Are there any good books available that cover how to program using
AIXwindows or its equalvalent?  I have an RS/6000 POWERstation 220
running AIX 3.2.

Thanks in advance!



- feats@feats.cc.vt.edu
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 22:12:48 EST
From: Fred Houlihan: 814-238-4123, Fax:238-1604 <FTH@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: 721-116 : Protocol Error

>Scott J Ellentuch asks
....
>>         I looked on my system... HMMM...
>>
>> + scsi0             00-01             SCSI I/O Controller
>> + hdisk1            00-01-00-00       400 MB SCSI Disk Drive
>> + cd0               00-01-00-40       CD-ROM Drive
>> + rmt0              00-01-00-50       150 MB 1/4-Inch Tape Drive
>>
>>         Ok, so lets see.  I'll set it for "1".  And I put it on the end
>> of the line (CPU->RMT0->CD0->New disk drive->TERMINATOR)
>>
>>         Now it looks like :
>>
>> + scsi0             00-01             SCSI I/O Controller
>> + hdisk1            00-01-00-00       400 MB SCSI Disk Drive
>> + hdisk0            00-01-00-10       Other SCSI Disk Drive
>> + cd0               00-01-00-40       CD-ROM Drive
>> + rmt0              00-01-00-50       150 MB 1/4-Inch Tape Drive
>>
0000       (Ok, I don't know WHY my disk was 1, and the new one is 0.)  Anyway,

I've seen similar situations on a number of occassions and it is
usually the result of changing the cabling order of the devices in
the SCSI chain and power-cycling.  hdisk1 was addr 0 before you
added yours and your new one became hdisk0 even with an addr of 1.
This is perfectly normal and will not in itself cause any problems.

>> I went into the disk diagnostics (Ver 1.3) and did a certify.  It came back
>> that EVERYTHING was ok, and it was 1045 Meg.  So, I went and did a hdisk0
>> diagnostic, and it comes out with :
>>
>>                         721-116: Protocol Error
>>
I wouldn't worry about the diagnostic failure, just try adding
your new disk to either rootvg or create a new volume group and
add it.  Then when you run diagnostics it should complete
successfully.

Best wishes for the holidays and good luck - Fred
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 11:51:29 IST
From:         Moshe Israeli <MAINTX@BGUVM.BITNET>

Since this is a public list, and every posting is distributed to all
of us subscribers, why won't anybody who asks about this or that package
(e.g. SWAPDIR) say, in a few words, what this package is all about (so
we ignorants won't have to ask, publicly or privately).

Reminder: Would anybody step forth and explain shortly what are REXTCPIP
and RXSOCKET all about, and what is the difference between them.

-Moshe
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From:         Jim Ritterbusch <RITTERBUS001@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: telnetting and zmodem
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>ct).  I would like to use zmodem to transfer programs from this unix acct to my
> home computer but it does not seem to wrok under vm/cms.  I also have a vms ac

In order for this to work, ZMODEM would have to be supported on the computer
to which your home computer is directly connected, i.e., the VM/CMS system.

My understanding (from a previous discussion in this list) is that ZMODEM
will _not_ run under VM/CMS due to "architectural incompatabilities" (don't
you just _hate_ it when everyone says "it can't be done") :-)

Jim Ritterbusch
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 12:55:00 +0200
From:         HOUSSAM OF EGYPT <HOUSSAH5@EGAUCACS.BITNET>
Subject:      LIBRARY SOFTWARE POSTING WAS FOR MVS not VMS

Hi again,
Sorry to bother you again.. In my original posting, the header was
asking about a library software for
VMS....
The correction is MVS not VMS (bad typo.. sorry..)

-Houssam
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:26:15 MET
From:         John Field <JFIELD2@ESOC.BITNET>
Subject:      TPRINT

 System Administrator
 European Space Operations Centre, Darmstadt
 We have had TPRINT installed for some years here. It allows an
 IBM series 1 (or equivalent) connected user to print to a PC
 attached printer.

 We have just moved to VM/ESA and TPRINT no longer runs.

 Does anyone know:

 a) Who the author was
 b) If there is a VM/ESA version

 Many thanks in advance, John.

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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:03:37 PST
From:         Yossie Silverman <YOSSIE@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU>
Subject:      Re: TPRINT

TPRINT works just fine here at UCSFVM under ESA 1.1.  The authors can
be reached (assuming they answer - which has not been my experience, sigh)
at SOFTWARE@YALEVM or by posting to TINCAN-L@YALEVM or YTERM-L@YALEVM.
- Yossie

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Date:         Sun, 27 Dec 1992 09:51:54 IST
From:         Moshe Israeli <MAINTX@BGUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      REXTCPIP vs. RXSOCKET

Season greetings

Could anybody there shortly explain the functionality of REXTCPIP and
RXSOCKET? What is the differece between them? Are they exchangeable?
How do they relate to FAL2?

Thank you. -Moshe
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From: Carl.von.Loesch@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Carl von Loesch)
Subject: Sorry.. posting mistake
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:03:51 GMT

I mistakenly posted something...

Hope it was empty, if not then it had all of the VM/NNR notice in.

I wanted to forward the posting.. but forgot that 'f' is follow-up.    :(

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