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From: ephraim@think.com (Ephraim Vishniac)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 3 years old and colors
Date: 18 Aug 1992 16:54:06 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: charon.think.com

In article <1427100032@igc.apc.org> Lynn Gazis-Sax <lgsax@igc.apc.org> writes:
>I do have color-blindness in my family, and have
>a 50% probability of being a carrier, so I am curious
>about how old a child usually needs to be before you
>can tell.

It depends on how closely you check and how pronounced the condition
is. My problems with color discrimination weren't noticed by anyone
until I was 20. (Very light green appears grey to me, while very dark
green seems brown or black.) But it seems that Daltonism (red/green
color blindness) would be obvious as soon as a child reliably learns
to name colors. You might spot it even earlier by testing them on
sorting or matching tasks. 

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: GeraldR@sunfish.ratsys.com (Gerald Ruderman)
Subject: Things they say (3 yo)
Summary: Names of songs
Keywords: cute talk
Organization: Rational Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:09:28 GMT

When my daughter was almost she told me she had learned a new song that was 
called:

	Mary oat so

Ever since then we call "Old King Cole" the "Mary Oat So" song!

(Shades of Ramona and the "Donzer" song.)

Gerald Ruderman                                   geraldr@ratsys.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kvt@willow.mitre.org
Subject: Sweet things they say (2 years)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:36:26 GMT

Mandy (just 2 last Friday) ran to me and said "Mommy
I have to go potty" I put down my book, got up, and
said "O.K. let's hurry" she stopped, turned around,
hugged my leg, and said "you take good care of me Mom"
then sprinted to the bathroom.

I guess as long as she thinks so that's all that matters!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mma@thumper.bellcore.com (Mary Ma)
Subject: Re: Cradle Cap (was: Hair washing)
Reply-To: mma@thumper.bellcore.com (Mary Ma)
Organization: Bellcore MRE
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 13:22:08 GMT

 An elderly friend of mine recommended using baby oil to get
rid of cradle cap.  Let the baby oil set in for a minute or
so and then run through with a fine-tooth comb.  
 Warning:  this only works if your kid don't mind washing
hair - it takes a lot of shampooing to get rid of the baby oil!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: Sushi during pregnancy - is it bad?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 14:57:32 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

In article <1992Aug20.142521.29248@philabs.philips.com>, 
mgh@philabs.philips.com (Monisha Ghosh) writes:
> The book 'What to expect when you're expectimg' claims that sushi during
> pregnancy is a no-no since all uncooked meat and fish is taboo. How true is
> this? It has me slightly worried because I like sushi and have had it often
> since I became pregnant. It seems odd that something which is a part of the 
> diet of so many people should be avoided during pregnancy. Any full time
> sushi eaters care to comment?

I believe that the problem with raw foods is that there is a higher 
possibility of parasites and bacteria that the cooking process kills.  With 
all things, there is a cost/benefit analysis that you should employ before 
making a decision to put yourself at higher risk.  If the sushi is frozen 
before it gets to you (as most is), the probability of contracting something 
from it is very very low.  

I had an OB/GYN and then switched to midwives during my pregnancy.  Both sets 
of professionals said that sushi was just fine.  You should ask your 
caregiver in case there is more to it than that, but I ate lots of sushi 
during my pregnancy and suffered no ill effects.



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lcheap@milton.u.washington.edu (Laurel Cheap)
Subject: infants in swimming pools (SUMMARY)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:32:50 GMT

Here's the summary of the first part of the "infants in swimming pools"
thread I posted last month (the second part developed into a swimming
pool safety topic).  Many thanks to all who responded.

I originally asked what misc.kidders do to protect the pool and other
swimmers from their infants' possible bowel movements.

Here's what people put under the bathing suits:

	nothing (snug-fitting suits)       3
	disposable diaper                  2
	cloth diaper only                  1
	cloth diaper with plastic pants    5
	plastic pants only (no diaper)     7
	diaper cover only (no diaper)      3
	training pants                     2

Here's what some pool management authorities say:

	nothing (snug-fitting suits)       1
	no disposable diapers              1
	cloth diaper with plastic pants    4
	plastic pants only (no diaper)     4

A few people mentioned a reusable swim diaper available for $9.95 from
the One Step Ahead catalog (800-274-8440) but this option has yet to be
"field-tested" by anyone.

The consensus was to consult your pool management to make sure you 
aren't violating any pool rules (i.e. no disposable diapers) and to
learn their preference then do what works for you.

A full summary of responses is available on request.

Happy swimming,
Laurel
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Information Systems    Seattle, Washington  USA   a.k.a. Brendan's mommy
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From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Tantrums (2YO + 6YO)
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:22:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

Well, yesterday was a hairy day on the parenting front.

We took our kids to the nearest Sears to try to have a portrait
package done for the grandmas. We figured that we might have
trouble with Sean (2) but it didn't turn out that way. We wandered
around in the store and the mall while we were waiting. Well,
we made the mistake of passing through the toy section of Sears
and Brendan (6) decided he wanted some Legos. We didn't have our
checkbook with us and even if we did we couldn't get anything
extra this month anyway. He threw a minor fit at this, and then
we all went into the mall to get some ice cream. When it was finally
time to get the portraits taken, Brendan refused to cooperate.
He made all these phony simpery little smiles and not all of our
coaxing could get a decent expression out of him. We tried to work the
angle that it was doing something nice for the grandmas, but he was
having none of it.  Finally, furious, we gave
up and left and went home. He said that he "just couldn't smile" and
when we said "Don't worry we'll never do this again" and "Don't expect
so many toys in the future" (a mistake on our part) he really lost
it and we heard the usual "I don't want to be your kid" etc. ad nauseum
most of the way home. 

Sean, the two-year-old, fell asleep in the car on the way home, so
we put him to bed when we got home.  When he woke up an hour or so
later, he had a total screaming fit for about half an hour - nothing
we did seemed to help. We figured maybe he was having a delayed
reaction to all the tension and stress of the afternoon.

So...what could/should we have done different??

Richard

P.S. We're friends again. Brendan actually apologized on his own
     initiative later in the evening!
From: lcheap@milton.u.washington.edu (Laurel Cheap)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: insect repellent summary
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:46:13 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


At long last here it is, the summary of the insect repellent thread
that I started at the beginning of summer (what can I say, I'm a
busy working mom :).

Thanks to all who responded from both misc.kids and rec.backcountry
(too numerous to mention).

If anyone would like the full text of the responses, you may email
me directly since the file is far too long to post.

Here's what people had to say:

Non-chemical methods:
---------------------
clothes - long sleeves and pants keep bugs from biting
        - dress in neutral colors (bright colors attract bugs)

netting - buy it by the yard for cribs, strollers and hats
        - some baby supply stores make specially fitted covers

DEET: (active ingredient in most bug sprays)
-----
- too toxic for children (MAY cause seizures in high concentrations)
- smells bad (causing headaches in some people)
- dilute with rubbing alcohol before using on children
- apply to child's clothes and let dry before dressing the child (this tends
  to keep bugs away from the skin as well as the clothed areas) (this also
  reduces/eliminates absorption into the skin
- pediatricians recommend not using on children
- journal article recommends not using 35% or higher concentrations on
  children

Citronella: (natural ingredient in most "all natural" repellents)
-----------
- not as effective as DEET, requires frequent re-application for some
- not as harmful as DEET
- smells better than DEET
- may be what's in Avon's Skin-So-Soft (speculation)
- can get it at health stores and make your own solution
- OK'd by pediatricians
- if you're staying in one place (as opposed to hiking) you can burn
  citronella candles that keep the bugs away

[ed note: we found a citronella lotion at the drug store that worked fine
for us under average buggy conditions.]

Avon's Skin-So-Soft: (bath oil, face cream and skin lotion not specified)
--------------------
- not as effective as DEET, requires frequent re-application for some
- not as harmful as DEET
- smells better than DEET
- works great for some, not for others
- not recommended by some pediatricians (unknown ingredients & effects)


I now find myself looking forward to dusk when the little bats come
by and feast on the bugs flying around our back yard.  I never knew
I'd feel affectionately towards bats. :)

Best of luck in achieving a bug-bitten-free world,
Laurel
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Information Systems    Seattle, Washington  USA   a.k.a. Brendan's mommy
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gfowler@javelin.sim.es.com (Gary Fowler)
Subject: Funny things they say
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:40:00 GMT

Last year when my oldest daughter was 4 years old, we were driving through 
a desert.  We had told her that we would probably see cacti on our trip.
Suddenly she said, with great excitement as she spotted one, "Dad, look!
A cactapus!"
From: dcs@witsend.tnet.com (D. C. Sessions)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Waterbeds
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:20:13 GMT
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.03

In <kerri.20@admin.acadiau.ca>, kerri@admin.acadiau.ca (Kerri Brewster)  wrote:
# In article <1992Aug18.175625.25958@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
# >Another possible danger, still being debated, is the danger to a young child,
# >and a deleveloping fetus if you use a heater. The EMF may be dangerous. Experts
# >(and the net) havent yet agreed, but I wouldnt take the chance. Same goes
# >with electric blankets.
# 
# When I found out I was pregnant, I immediately bought an EMF-shielded 
# waterbed heater because of that possibility. I have no idea if the older, 
# non-sheilded heater would have ACTUALLY posed any danger to the fetus, but 
# the peace of mind I got was well worth the extra cost (and hassle) of 
# replacing the heater. If your mother's waterbed is older than say, 1988 (?) 
# you may want to look into whether or not the heater is shielded. 
# 
# I'm not saying this to send anyone off into a panic. Any relationship 
# between EMF and miscarriages etc has yet to be proved. 

  Or, if you want to be paranoid (a survival strategy, IMHO), you
  can skip the heater and go to an insulating pad.  After 12 years
  on a heated waterbed (wonderful) I switched to a pad and love it.

  No more fiddling with the thermostat and wishing that a half-ton
  of water would change temp instantly; no more compromises over
  temperature for double-occupancy.  This last can be a REAL hassle
  for incubators sharing mattresses -- in our case twins on board
  sent the temperature down ten degrees.  Daddy was neither welcome
  (ANOTHER heat source?!!) nor comfortable (Brrrr!).

  So far, it's hard to tell exactly but we think the pad will pay
  for itself in less than six months due to reduced electric load.
---
--- D. C. Sessions                            Speaking for myself ---
--- Note new network address:                    dcs@witsend.uucp ---
--- And if that doesn't work:                dcs@witsend.tnet.com ---
--- There never was any correspondence between my views and SCI's ---
From: pjohnso@triton.unm.edu (Paddy Johnson CIRT)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Youngest Going To Kindergarten
Date: 14 Aug 92 05:14:29 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico

In article <1992Aug13.194315.2355@linus.mitre.org> m13079@mwunix (Mary Anne Walters) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.210032.25683@uc.msc.edu> tbachman@hamline.edu (Toni Bachman) writes:
>>Hi:
>>
>but I was just 
>>wondering if anyone has any neat "gettin' ready for school" rituals
>>they would like to pass on?????
>>
>>Toni
>>
>
>Well, my dad, the shutterbug, used to take pictures of us each year on
>the first day of school, dressed in our best little outfits, walking down
>the sidewalk alone, off on the big adventure.  
>
Our first day of school tradition includes pictures, but more importantly
it is Pancake Day.  This dates back a few years ago when the kids were 
starting second and fourth grades.  We were very poor at the time and about
the only thing we had in the house was a large supply of pancake mix.  We
had pancakes for breakfast, sandwiches made of pancakes in a brown bag for
lunch and pancakes for dinner.  We all laughed very hard about it.  The
next day I got paid, and we had an improved variety of foods, but the kids
have been emphatic about the need to repeat pancake day as the first day
of school ever since.  Now they like to go to International House of Pancakes
for dinner, but there are still pancake sandwiches for lunch.

ZoeJ
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: 3 years old and colors
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:40:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.165459.15719@leela.cs.orst.edu> uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt) writes:
>I have a 3 year old neice. We have worked with her on learning her
>colors. She doesn't seem to remember them. Is she too young to be
>able to remember what color is which. She knows what colors are. 
>Whenever we ask her what color something is she always says blue or
>red.
>
>-Laura (A concerned Aunt) Utt

I don't know if you need to be concerned about a 3 year old who isn't
all that interested in learning colors.  However, I don't think its
too young.  Donovan taught Sabrina her colors when she was about 20 
months.  As they were driving home from daycare, Donovan would hold 
up a skittle.  He'd ask her the color, if she got it right, she got
to eat it.  If she missed, he'd tell her the color and eat it himself!
I did not know anything about this.  I only found out one day when
I noticed (I forget why now) that Sabrina did not know the color
brown.  I mentioned it to Donovan who said, "Gee, I guess we'll have 
to get some M&Ms."

Elise.
From: bad1@druhi.ATT.COM (Bruce A. Dorrough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Mirror writing
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:30:36 GMT
Reply-To: bad1@druhi.ATT.COM (Bruce A. Dorrough)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Denver

In article <14AUG199223393811@reg.triumf.ca> advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel) writes:
>A while ago my 4-year old daughter started writing stuff (mostly her name, 
>usually in rather large capital letters). I noticed on a couple of occasions 
>that if she ran out of room at the edge of the page writing left to right, 
>she would keep going right to left on the next line , but with the letters 
>reversed, as if they had been reflected from the edge of the paper. Sometimes 
>she does mirror writing in the middle of a page, too. She seems to be right 
>handed (she writes right-handed).
>
>Anyone else seen this behaviour? I'm not worried, just curious.
>
>Andrew Daviel


My daughter who at the age of four was perfect at  "mirror writing".
If you held her writings to the mirror it was readable just like normal
writing it was quit amazing. She is left handed and has since stopped
writing backwards and reversed.

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Subject: Re: Doman and the Better Baby Institute
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:06:43 GMT

In article <18249@polstra.UUCP>
larryba@polstra.UUCP (Larry Barello) writes:
>Does anyone out there have experience with early childhood home teaching?
>In particular the stuff promoted by Doman and the Better Baby Institute.
>We have read "How to multiply your babies intelligence" and other Doman
>books.  We have also started on some of the programs.  It seems to work,
>yet I wonder if this is the best way to give our children the proper
>start in their educational career?
>
>Any thoughts on how these programs dovetail with structured pre-school
>like Montessori?
>
>Thanks!
>--
>Larry Barello                   uunet!polstra!larryba
 
        Read _Miseducation_ by David Elkind.  He discusses Doman and also
Montessori pre-school teaching methods.
 
                        K. Wilk
                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
            <--********************************-->
 'Thrusting my nose firmly between his teeth, I threw him to the ground
  on top of me.' - Mark Twain
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From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:56:52 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

In article <1992Aug17.155211.15160@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:
>In article <Bt4t95.230@apollo.hp.com> betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:
>>
>>The problem with this theory is that you can't tell in advance which
>>diaper, blanket, stuffed animal, or shoe is going to become
>>indispensable, and which will sit forever on a high shelf.  My
>>daughter must have had ten or eleven stuffed animals by the time she
>                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>was six months old.  (Everybody LOVES to give babies stuffed animals,
>
>Goodness!  At last count, Laura had 45 stuffed animals (many were mine
>in the bad old days).  She got 11 for her first Christmas alone!
>I've given at least a dozen away to church rummage sales.  Brian has
>only receive 5 so far (which I appreciate - Laura won't give up any of her
>45!).  Oh, she also has 5 dolls.  Do they count? 
>

It must be a 'girl' thing. Jeffrey was given several at the baby showers. That
doesnt count, since no one knew he was a boy. Since he was born, I can think 
of only one stuffed animal he has received from anyone other then my mother
and me. A good friends daughter, who is two days younger then Jeffrey 
receives several stuffed animals at every gift giving occasion. She also gets
lots of clothes as gifts, which Jeffrey never gets, either.

A co-worker has this butt-ugly 3 ft american eagle stuffed animal that he
keeps threatening to give to Jeffrey. Does that count?

I agree that I couldnt possibly get two of anything that Jeffrey seems to be
making his lovey, since he seems very fickle about these things.

Laura Floom
From: uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 3 years old and colors
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:24:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Aug17.212443.21359
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

I wanted to thank everyone that replied to my inquiry. It helps a lot
to have all of you netters out there to ask these kinds of questions.
I couldn't respond to everyone individualy because there were a lot 
of responses to my question. Basically, everyone said that all kids
develope differently. I believe you. My neice does seem to develope
a little slower then other 3 year olds. That's ok. It all comes out
the same in the end. I was just wondering if there could be a possiblity
of color-blindness. Is it genetic? If so, I don't know of anyone in 
the immediate family (On dad's side) that has that problem.

Happy reading to you all.

-Laura
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Whole milk verses 2%
Date: 18 Aug 1992 17:06:14 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <765199d8401892t87@witsend.uucp>, dcs@witsend.tnet.com (D. C. Sessions) writes:
|> A quick check with the child-development texts left over from nursing
|> courses indicates that there are essential fatty acids in whole milk
|> which stay with the butterfat.  Apparently it's not just the fat itself
|> (which could come from other sources such as vegetable oils) but these
|> nutrient acids that infants and toddlers need.  That's why even
|> overweight ankle-biters need to get plenty of butterfat.

All of the essential fatty acids may be obtained from vegetable oil. There 
is nothing special about milk; whole milk is recommended as an easy way to 
get enough fat. 

Most Americans eat a diet that is way too fatty to be healthy for an adult, 
but that fat content would be good for a baby. It's when adults eating an 
unusually low fat diet (unusually healthy for adults) put their babies on 
the same kind of low-fat diet (perhaps in an attempt to "fat-proof" their 
children) that problems develop.

So the rule is: ask your doctor whether your child needs to drink whole 
milk to get enough fat, given her/his overall diet. It's not a hard-and-
fast rule that ALL babies must drink whole cows milk to develop their 
brains. There are entire countries where cows' milk is not used much at 
all.

Oh, incidentally, fat = fatty acids + glycerine, in a particular structure 
of course. The fatty acids don't just stay WITH the butterfat, they ARE 
the butterfat. This is only imporatant from the viewpoint of a biochemist, 
though.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu