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From: robertk@taoami.lerctr.org (Robert Kesterson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Help! My DeskJet won't print!
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 11 Oct 92 07:21:22 CDT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <1992Oct8.000741.4037@seq.uncwil.edu> klein@seq.uncwil.edu (Tony Klein) writes:
> This is not really an Amiga hardware problem per se, but my DeskJet did quit
> printing while I was using my Amiga (and printing out my homework) :[]
>
> BTW this is an original HP DeskJet, I just replace the print cartridge a
> month or so ago - so that should not be the problem.  I was just printing
> out some dBASE stuff that I was doing on my bridgboard when I noticed that
> blank pages were coming out.  Somewhere along the line, the print became
> "streaked" and then quit altogether.  It still sounds normal when printing,
> but I did notice some sort of spring on the back of the print head assembly
> with some kind of ball joint that looks like it should fit in a socket
> someplace; I have never really looked at the internals very closely, but as
> the printhead moves it looks like it should be serving some purpose(?).
> Maybe some unfortunate soul has had the same problem, am I missing something
> really simple?  I have had many years of good service from it without a hitch,
> maybe the built-in trojan horse finally kicked in and it is time to upgrade to
> a HP 500C ;)
>
> Any suggestions, or maybe a more appropriate newsgroup would be welcomed.
>
>                                            Thanks,
>                                              Tony
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>

Mine does that all the time (probably thanks to my habit of refilling the print
cartridges).  Just re-prime the cartridge.  Or if that doesn't work, put a paper
towel under the cartridge and blow into that little hole in the top until some
ink comes out the bottom.  And if that fails, replace the cartridge.

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=====================================================================
 Robert Kesterson             "I used to eat Wheaties, but it never
 robertk@taoami.lerctr.org    got me very far.  Beer and Granola is
                              the breakfast of champions."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: MB considered harmful
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:41:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.104654.25511@ifi.uio.no> nilsco@ifi.uio.no (Nils Liaaen Corneliusen) writes:
>
>In article <KENTD.92Oct12095515@zappa.FtCollins.NCR.com>, kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton) writes:
>
>> With all the edu sites back in session, fighting the "war on -MB-" is
>> more important than ever. I hope everyone supports the campaign to put
>> MB in their kill files and make the csa hierarchy safe for humanity again.
>
>Hey, I have not been on the net for too long, but this seems pretty ridiculous
>to me. MB pointed out some interesting things about the 4000 and its display
>modes, the shortcomings of mode promotion and monitor types. The serious
>part of the debate that followed was very interesting, but this war is
>utterly stupid if you ask me.

Note : This really belongs in .advocacy, but MB continues to post his nonsense
in other groups and the net-virgins keep responding to him.

I'd bet that by the end of the year you'll have changed your tune.  Don't fall
into the trap of listening to the defecation spewing from MB's mouth, he's not
worth it.  He has done nothing but complain about one thing or another and has
never done anything positive for the Amiga.  Everything that he has said about
the A4000 is based on rumors which his pea-brain twists around and then spouts
off to the world as facts.

This "war" is not against some innocent person who happened to say something
stupid, it is against a sniveling little geek who has nothing better to do 
than sit around whining and bitching about anything and everything that comes
out of Commodore.  Don't be misled by his recent attempts to bash the A4000
and then recommend the A3000.  MB said the same things about the A3000 for
the longest time and will do the same when the A5000 comes out.

Do yourself a big favor and start ignoring him now.

The next few lines are for the benefit of persons who don't want to read
anything by or about MB and are using a killfile.

MB
Marc Barrett
barrett@iastate.edu
--MB--

>------------------------------------------------------------
>INCLUDE "disclaimer.i"                     snail-mail:
>Nils Corneliusen                           Heyerdahls vei 17
>internet: nilsco@ifi.uio.no                OSLO, Norway


Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu



Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: martini@heaven7.in-berlin.de (Martin P. Ibert)
Subject: Re: NEC 3D with A3000/A4000?
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:35:10 GMT
Organization: The Seventh Heaven, Berlin, Germany

johnl@crash.cts.com (John Lindwall) writes:
> Has anyone used a NEC 3D on an A3000 or A4000?  How do you like it?
Yes, on an A3000. Not bad, but not good enough to let me regret that I
bought an A2024 (the Nec was only borrowed).

> Does it handle all Amiga graphic modes?  Does it allow overscan?
Yes, it does. I don't know if it allows overscan, but since if couldn't
handle 1024x1024 (which you need for Amiga UNIX/X11), it was not that
interesting to me.

> The 3D is rated for a 15.75 kHz horiz sync rate (at the lower bound):
> is this close enough to 15 kHz to be able to handle all the graphic
> modes from the A4000 (15 kHz)?
Obviously.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: [don't] Avoid the Amiga 4000
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:51:39 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Oct12.232350.18821@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> sie_0003@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Brian Badger) writes:
> In article <35772@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
> >
> >Given the amount of development time it takes to get out new chips and
> >software, we had to take a pretty big bite for it to be worthwhile.  It
> >boils down to bandwidth, if you can get 2X with 32-bit memory and 2X with
> >page mode accesses, then do both for 4X and you can do 8-bit planes in
> >any of the modes.
> 
> Is this to say that, in general, AGA has a four times increase in
> bandwidth capable in all screen modes?  Is a 320X400X24 screen possible?
> (320X400X6 is a normal Amiga mode, so times four is 320X400X24, right?)
> Is this one of those modes that hasn't been explored yet in the AGA
> chipset, or is this just a wild fantasy???

Well, in theory the bandwidth to handle such modes is there, but they
would require a much "wider" Lisa chip to implement.   Instead, using
the 4X fetch mechanismism in modes that do not require them frees up
many additional cycles for cpu and blitter accesss.  This is part of
the double whammy that gives the A4000 both better video and better
performance...



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From: Boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:32:40 MET
Reply-To: boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander)
Distribution: world
Organization: System Information 2.0 Development
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <Bw31A0.y9@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
> >And if I want real high resolution, I would get an A2024 monitor; which
> >incidentaly works on any Amiga.  I'd like to see a Mac system with a 1008
> >x 800 greyscale monitor for the price of an A600HD with A2024.
> 
>    The A2024 monitor sucks anymore.  1008x800 is not all that high of a 
> resolution, and it is strictly monochrome.  Besides, the A2024 still costs
> the Earth.

Hmm. Earth must be fairly cheap then. They are sold in Europe for
prices around US$ 195,- a piece. Brandnew, out of the box. And 
with full warranty. It's that I don't have the space to put another
monitor... Hell, It'd make a wonderful DTP monitor and even SBPro4 
supports it...

> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
> --------------------------------------------------


    O
  //\/
 \/\ boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl
.../ Danger: Happy A4000 owner after ignoring MB's advice!
From: gad@fncrd6.fnal.gov (greg deuerling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:58:06 GMT
Organization: Fermilab
NNTP-Posting-Host: fncrd6.fnal.gov

In article <1992Oct13.212258.24489@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Hamish.Macdonald@x400gate.bnr.ca (Hamish Macdonald) writes:
>Skip> But the whiners like MB will still flame you no matter what you
>Skip> do.  If the A4000 had SCSI-II, a DSP with 32 voice 16 bit sound,
>Skip> 1280x1024 24 bit graphics, and a fellatio port, MB and his
>                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                                       |||||||||||||
>                      Can I get this as an add-on for my A3000?

Sorry, you need a new custom chip called "sleazy", and sleazy need access
to the 32bit chip ram !!!

								gad.

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From: DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Where to Buy new Floppy Disk Drive
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:16:41 GMT
 <67096@cup.portal.com> <35865@cbmvax.commodore.com>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <35865@cbmvax.commodore.com>, grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George
Robbins) says:

>In article <67096@cup.portal.com> M-Santi@cup.portal.com (Michael Mark        )
>Santiago
>writes:

>In the case of a 3-rd party wanting to sell expansion drives, Commodore
>might or might not approve such a request, but for the individual, the
>only recourse would be to get the drive as a service part.  At this point,

Also, even if Commodore authorizes a company to purchase the special
drives, doesn't mean Chinon will neccessarily be interested in selling it in
small quantities. (In fact, I can tell you they aren't).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: I want 736x554 NO-Interlace
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 06:09:14 GMT

In article <1BC216D8TA@tron.gun.de> ludwig@tron.gun.de (Ludwig Kamphenkel) writes:
>Yo!!
>
> This question is mainly to the C= developers. I just got my A4000 and I am
>allready mad, because there is still interlace. Is C= going to comme out
>with a flickerfixer (displayenhancer) for the A4000 in about 2 weeks or
>so??

   Probably not.  It has already been mentioned that a "flicker-fixing" device
for the A4000 would be very, very expensive.  It would require at least twice
as much memory as an ordinary FlickerFixer, and the memory would have to be
much higher-speed memory as well.  

   Basically, you are stuck with the flicker.

> I had a 736x554 workbench on my A500+ thanks to a flickerfixer but now
>I am back to interlace :(I do not want an answer like: 'user the Double Pal
>screenmode' because I am using it. Works great exept that most programs
>with open an own screen are using interlace. This is particular annoying
>when using PageStream (that's why I had a displayenhancer in the first
>place) Other than that I don't realy know how healthy it is for my monitor
>(Mitsubishi EUM-1471A) to swich between two frequences all the time. Since
>I payed about $3000 (DM 4400) I think I got a right to know (hopefully C=
>doesn't think otherwise)

> BTW could it be possible to integrate the displayenhancer on the upcomming
>Zorro-III SCSI controller IF a displayenhancer can be made using Zorro-III.

   A "display enhancer" using Zorro III would be a full-blown video card, and
not a display enhancer.  Unless, of course, it used the Zorro III slot in-line
with the video slot, but that wouldn't make much sense.

>                  Ludwig

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| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
--------------------------------------------------
From: Roger_Martensson@p3.nola.bbs.bad.se (Roger Martensson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A4000 Processor
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 20:18:18 +0000
Reply-To: Roger_Martensson@p3.nola.bbs.bad.se (Roger Martensson)
Distribution: world
Organization: The Third Point, Mellansel, Sweden 
OD-Comment-To: John_Haubrich

In a message (written 10-Oct-92, 21:43:00) to John Haubrich you wrote:

 JH> Someone stated recently that the A4000
 JH> had a 68EC040 processor (without MMU or FPU).  Is this true?

It was only the A4000 that was shown that had the EC040 processor. The 'real' 
A4000, will be delivered with the real 68040 processor. (With MMU and FPU)

/Rm - InterNet: Roger_Martensson@p3.f607.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se 
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From: Boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Is it silly to buy a
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:36:03 MET
Reply-To: boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander)
Distribution: world
Organization: System Information 2.0 Development
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <Bw6537.8CB@lysator.liu.se> boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg) writes:
> Roger_Nordin@atb.bbs.bad.se (Roger Nordin) writes:
> 
> >> Ah, but you can use a Zorro-II SCSI controller. $160
> >> (Provided of course someone fixes the DMA problems....)
> 
> >I don't know why you say that -- I cleary mentioned that it was possible to 
> >add a third party SCSI controller. I also clearly mentioned it will waste a 
> >lot of the bus bandwidth, as only Zorro II host adaptors are available at the 
> >present time, and that it will consume one of the precious Zorro III slots in 
> >the A4000.
> 
>   "precious"? I cannot imagine myself filling all four Z3 slots - ever. I 
> haven't used any of my A3000 slots during the time I've owned it, and don't 
> expect to use very many of my A4000 slots either. I will probably buy a SCSI 
> adapter and possibly a DSP card later, but the other two slots will probably 
> never be used. For the vast majority of users the number of slots will be no
> problem.

Well, all 3 in my A4000 are aleady booked for. The first will hold an SCSI
controller for my SyQuest and possible an extra SCSI HD, the second one will
hold David Salamon's GoldenGate II card and the last one a PC 2serial/1printer
card as I desperately need some more ports. Which leaves only the Video slot.

> -- 
> Stefan Boberg - AP & EE student at Linkoping Institute of Technology, Sweden
>     UUCP:  {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmehq!cbmswe!team17!boberg

CYa, Paul

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From: rhealey@kas.helios.mn.org (Rob Healey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Is it silly to buy an A3000 now?
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:23:27 GMT
Organization: Rob's home system, Hopkins, MN

In article <ym2asB3w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> vidiot@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Rankin Eric) writes:
=I can't beleve you.  You know very little about the Amiga 4000 it seems.  
=the graphics are substantailly better, it now uses SIMMS and has more RAM 
=capability, and it features a 68040!  The 4000 and the fact that its 
=still largely down-compatible is amazing.  I heartily recommend it and 
=cant want for people who know more abou this system than you (and me) to 
=defend the Amiga 4000.  I'm no authority, but your last couple posts were 
=just to much to ignore.
=
	1) Onboard RAM is still limited to the 3000's 16M. See ZorroIII
	   memory map for details. They switched from ZIP to SIMM's as
	   '040 memory modes allow that convienience without much penalty.

	2) The 3000 can also have an '040, and better yet, 3rd party
	   solutions exists already.

	3) I don't see that the extra modes on the 4000 matter when DIG/RTG
	   is on the horizen.

	4) The 3000 has an embeded SCSI controller so a slot isn't used up
	   for a SCSI controller.

	I would also ask people to really think about whether they need
	the 24 bit graphics now. If they don't, then wait for DIG/RTG
	drivers for the other graphic solutions in ADOS 4.x. Of course, I
	suppose C= could screw us all by making ADOS 4.0 only work on 4000's
	and above but I don't see that happening.

	Personally, I find the Amiga graphics, even in the 4000, inadiquite
	because I need RESOLUTION, not colors. I need a 1kx1k or greater
	non-interlace mode. The CHIP set still needs interlace to do
	high resolutions and they still limit the damn Y direction to
	that goofy x400 for non-interlace stuff.

	My 3000 doesn't need a hardware upgrade or trade-in, it needs a
	SOFTWARE upgrade to handle DIG/RTG, built in networking and a
	USABLE base upon which people could build business solutions,
	i.e. 4M, MMU and SCSI harddisk as opposed to the still stiffling limit
	of 68000, no MMU, 1 floppy drive and 512K of CHIP RAM that Amiga
	programmers STILL have to program to if they want to sell enough
	software to pay the bills. B^(.

=I can't wait until I have the funds to purchase an Amiga 4000 with its 
=AGA graphics.
=
	Save your money for DIG/RTG, especially if you have a 3000.
	The current 4000 should really be the low end 4000, not the
	flagship of the Amiga line.

	To Commodore I would say get the 4000 with imbedded SCSI out ASAP
	and maybe allow for 31Khz only monitors without having to buy
	extra attachments or cards.

		-Rob
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: kopnicky@owlnet.rice.edu (Lyle Warren Kopnicky)
Subject: Re: upgradability of the A4000
Keywords: 4000
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:20:24 GMT

In article <36136@cbmvax.commodore.com>, grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
|> You could stick a processor, processor + cache or processor + real fast RAM
|> on there, or processor/coprocessor/DSP combination.  The only real constraints
|> are that it has to run the system software and fit with the space / power /
|> cooling constraints supported by the system design, and there really isn't
|> much in the way of provision for I/O cabling.

Well, you still haven't explained clearly to me whether you can put a new
"Super-AGA" set with extra Chip RAM on the CPU card.  I assume by
processor/coprocessor/DSP you mean this is possible.
	Now another question is, when RTG becomes available, and you can
put a Super-AGA chipset on a Zorro III card, will that also be able to
have its own chip RAM on it, and how fast will the CPU's access to that
chip RAM be compared to normal chip RAM, or chip RAM on the CPU card?
	I assume you cannot just have a CPU card with more chip RAM,
since the current chip set won't recognize it.

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From: peter@cbmvax.commodore.com (Peter Cherna)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Info on A2024 monitor wanted
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:53:08 GMT
Reply-To: peter@cbmvax.commodore.com (Peter Cherna)
Organization: Commodore-Amiga, Inc.  West Chester, PA.

In article <1992Oct6.135819.6739@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:

>>50Hz for 1024x1024 and 60 for 1024x800 is correct. I have one at home and I
>>really like it. You don't really see, that it's 50 or 60Hz.
>
>Yes, the monitor has a long persistence phosphor.

I believe the monitor indeed scans at 72 Hz.  The data update rate (rate
at which the Amiga feeds bitplane data to the A2024) is independent of
the monitor refresh rate.  Thus, even though the A2024 screen is composed
out of NTSC or PAL screens, the imagery is refreshed 72 times per second,
which is very steady and flicker-free.

The data update rate is really 10 or 15 Hz (NTSC), or 8.33 or 12.5 Hz (PAL),
because the A2024 modes are composed of 4 or 6 NTSC or PAL panels.

>Michael van Elst

     Peter
--
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From: griffin@eecae.ee.msu.edu (Danny Griffin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Clinton/Gore (Was: A4000 graphics)
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:00:34 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:

>So if Bill and Al win, MB gets annoyed?  This is advice from the same guy who's
>wisdom on Amigas is so well known.  I guess if I hadn't already decided on
>Clinton/Gore, that would cinch it for me.

This is the most compelling argument yet to vote for Clinton. (It's certainly
better than their own arguments).
-- 
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griffin@egr.msu.edu             casting doubt on all I have to say..."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: @moci.uucp
Subject: Re: Is it silly to buy an A3000 now?
Organization: ICOM, Inc., West Allis, WI
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 20:56:53 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

spence@cbmvax.commodore.com (Spencer Shanson) writes:
: In article <1992Oct7.194433.7333@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
: 
: [Waffle deleted]
: 
: >   I am actively advising people to ignore the A4000, purchase A3000s instead,
: >and upgrade them later with third-party video cards as soon as DIG is
: >available.

HEY DER!
DIG may not be necessary. I'm actively advising -MB- to wait for
a direct-to-brain interface, BIG (Brain Independent Graphics), which will make
video cards obsolete!

: 
: I guess we should all thank our lucky stars that noone takes you seriously then.
: 
: >| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
: >--------------------------------------------------
: >             A4000: JUST SAY NO!!!
: 
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