HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jbla@giraffe.in-berlin.de (Johannes Blankenstein)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Rfiles banners - Waf1.65/Rf2.4
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 07:12:47 MES
Distribution: world               
Organization: Private MS-DOS Site

Bob Van Cleef <revc@Garg.Campbell.CA.US> writes:
>
> Hi;
> 
> I am having trouble getting the @banner files included in my listing
> under Waffle 1.65 with Rfiles 2.4.  I believe my configuration matches
> the documentation, but the final output text file does not include any
> banner entries other than the advert.
> 
> Bob
> 
> ---- dirs file - example entry ---
> 
> 32      /dir="e:/linux"                 /access=1 /BANNER="@banner"

I had the same problem. You can fix it by including an other parameter
within your dirs file

32      /dir="e:/linux"         /access=1 /banner="@banner" /rban="@banner"

I hope this will help.

        Hannes

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From: dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: DOS "cron"/schedule - useless ??!?!?!
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 19:50:19 EDT
Organization: dlh Performance Marketing

system@precipice.chi.il.us (Vikki Welch) writes:

> Well, it is interesting to note that if I just set minute
> schedules (for testing) it seems that it holds them until waffle
> is restarted HOWEVER if you have a minute and hour entry, it
> works just fine. Dunno, will look through the source code and see
> what I missed here.  Glad I am not going to be stuck with frodo
> <grin>.
> 
> take care, Vikki.

I don't follow this, Vikki.  One game I played with the Waffle 1.64
schedule was to schedule the computer upstairs to poll the computer
downstairs every ten minutes at 0 10 20 etc after the hour and the
computer downstairs to batch etc. every ten minutes at 5 15 25 etc.
after the hour.  I was continually interrupting each of them, trying to
get the communications configured so it would work at all, then trying
to get the two Zoom modems to agree on V.42bis as the way to talk.

Whether I was upstairs or down, it would try my latest variation within
fifteen minutes of when I got done setting it up.  I think Waffle cron
does everything I could want it to do within the constraint of DOS's
single thread and I don't understand what you are looking for that it
doesn't do.  (Of course, I do my fooling around without the source.)

dan  of dlh Performance Marketing  POBox 1419  Mentor Ohio 44061
         NCoast.org!dlhpfm!dlh or ab.com!dlhpfm.uucp!dlh
From: zeta@spectrx.saigon.com (Greg Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Super Poll beta release repeat polling program
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:09:13 GMT
Organization: SPECTROX SYSTEMS (408)252-1005 Silicon Valley, Ca

I've written a program called SUPER POLL, and it is currently beta version .8 
right now. 

Super Poll allows a little more control over the polling process and repeat 
polling.  I believe Waf 1.65 has repeat polling ability, but I'm not sure to 
what control there is over it... and I believe it should work find with 1.65, 
but I was not able to test that.

It works simimlar to PPOLL100, but allows more flexibility becuase you can set 
not only the maximum number of tries, but alos set a time period to work 
within, so after 25 minutes, it will stop, and things like that.

One point though, I forgot to include in some of the doc files that it requires 
uu.fail to be set to 1 and uu.exit to be set to 0, just like ppoll did.

The programs can be received from Spectrx system, 408-252-1005, and I
believe aaron runs a mail server as well, if anyone is interested in obtaining 
it.

Greg Youngblood

I have no news access right now, please send all replies via email
 
Zeta@yngbld.tfsquad.mn.org

REPLY-TO: ZETA@YNGBLD.gwinnett.com
From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: WAF165
Keywords: Waffle
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:42:22 GMT
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Followup-To: comp.bbs.waffle
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066

dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick) writes:

> That was my excuse to get 5.0 which put the available memory over
> 600000 without any effort.  Still 1.65 exits with a line like
> "WAFFLE -- Out of Memory..!"
> Those are the correct words, the punctuation from memory is
> questionable.
> 
> ------------------------static below----------------------------------
> # file system/static
> bar          : %! %c %A (%W) <%a> %@ %# %? %T
> colors       : 7 15 112
> timeout      : 450
> slow         : 250
> ul_slow      : 300
> dl_slow      : 300
> buflines     : 30000
> new          : new

Call me crazy, but you want to allow your users to enter up to 30000 
lines of text?!?  No *wonder* you don't have enough memory!  At 72 
characters per line, you would require over 2 MB of RAM to accomodate 
this (and Waffle only utilizes 640K anyways).

Try something a *tad* more reasonable, like say, 512 lines.  I have never 
gotten a complaint about the limit from my users, the average posting is 
usually < 200 lines.

Good luck!

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From: eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: WAF165
Keywords: Waffle
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 00:39:41 PDT
Reply-To: eoin@xocolatl.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

a-dent@somenode.uucp (Bryan Hannahs) writes:

-> Just out of curiosity, I tried setting my buflines: to 10000 and got the
-> out of memory error. Seems to me, though, that I had tried the same
-> thing under 1.64 and didn't get the out of memory (and even with the
-> buflines set high, Waffle wouldn't let me quote a message of more than
-> 100 lines or so, which would explain why the buflines: 30000 worked
-> under 1.64). Does this mean that 1.65 actually WILL quote as many
-> lines as you set the buflines: to?!!

YES.  

I have quoted a alt.binaries.* post of 1000 lines and it worked.  
Under 1.64 it didn't.

Version 1.64 of waffle totally ignored (or so it seemed) the buflines
parameter.



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From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: WafMail 1.00r/Waffle 1.65
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 22:20:05 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS, New Orleans, LA

Pardon if I'm re-hashing something that's already dealt with, but I thought I
read here that WafMail is not compatible with Waffle 1.65. Is this correct?  If
so, is there a version of WafMail past 1.00r available, or is one in
development?



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From: jabr@ra.cs.umb.edu (John M. Abreau)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Making Waffle Fido-compatible?
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:22:17 GMT
Organization: Castle Roogna Associates
Originator: jabr@ra.cs.umb.edu

I'm running Waffle 1.65 as a UUCP hub for the Boston Computer Society,
and I need to connect to our various Fido-based BBSes. I looked at
UFGATE and FredGate, but I haven't been able to make much sense of them;
they seem to assume that they're running on the Fido end, not the UUCP
end.

Has anyone else successfully done this?
Thanks.
		-- John Abreau
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Also <postmaster@bcs.org>, <jabr@roogna.UUCP>
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From: mvdl@et.tudelft.nl
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Memory and WAffle 1.65
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:18:34 +0200
Organization: TU-Delft, dpt of Electrical Engineering


Hi,

Do some of you perhaps know which conditions can influence the amount
of memory posessed by WAFFLE.EXE in dos ?

We have something real spooky going on here: At our BBS (386SX equipped with
QEMM) we have 613k availale in DOS... as soon as WAFFLE.EXE is executed, 
all that's left is 166k on the waffle command prompt and 158k in the waffle-
shell... This causes RMAIL.EXE to terminate with 'abornaml program
termination'. Here at home on my computer (386SX also equipped with QEMM
but with less hiram so less drivers hiloaded) I start with 539k available
for program, and when WAFLLE.EXE is executed, I still have 277k left . This
is ennough for RMAIL to run allright..

Very weird: I start with less mem, but end up with more memory... I only
use waffle here to test soem things for the BBS, so I have not exactly the same
setup (the BBS has many nodes in the systems & paths file)..

Has someone expierenced this before ? What could it be ? (we'eve eliminated
the diskcache as a cause)...

TIA,

Michel.

Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: Multiple addresses
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 04:37:08 GMT

clubzen.fidonet.org!work!mwallis writes:

>peters@beltrix.guild.org (Peter Sleggs) writes:

>> >      Hi Folks! Here's a(nother) question. I know that under 1.65, you can
>> > address one piece of mail to many people, and it *should* send one piece
>> > to as many people as can fit on the address line. This works well for mail
>> > sent to aliases, but I can't do it locally.

>It doesn't matter what form the address is. It tells me there are multiple
>addresses before asking for the subject, and when done, it lists each
>addressee (in alphabetcal order yet!) when posting.

>Works fine.

Waffle will send ONE mail message on to your smarthost for mail to
multiple addresses.  It's then up to the smarthost to break it down
into separate messages or send them on in bulk form, depending.
In past versions, Waffle would queue multiple copies of the same
message.  It appears that using rmail from the command line
produces different results.
From: system@precipice.chi.il.us (Vikki Welch)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: DOS "cron"/schedule - useless ??!?!?!
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 10:42:23 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Welch Research

dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick) writes:

> system@precipice.chi.il.us (Vikki Welch) writes:
>
> > Well, it is interesting to note that if I just set minute
> > schedules (for testing) it seems that it holds them until waffle
> > is restarted HOWEVER if you have a minute and hour entry, it
> > works just fine. Dunno, will look through the source code and see
> > what I missed here.  Glad I am not going to be stuck with frodo
> > <grin>.
> >
> > take care, Vikki.
>
> I don't follow this, Vikki. ...

I agree, it doesn't make sense.  I am down to wondering if it is
just a quirk here.  I have not had time to go back and play with
it since my last posting.  I had a dream come true in the process
and it has complicated the *ell out of my life <grin>.  I found
Xenix SysV/386 at a price I could afford and my Mother-in-Law
returned the machine she had borrowed so I had something to put
it on.  Guess where I've been <BIG Grin>?  Of course this *would*
happen three days after I ordered source for messyDOS Waffle...
(Arghhhhhh!).

> to get the two Zoom modems to agree on V.42bis as the way to talk.

I can imagine.  I also have the Zoom 14.4 and life has certain
become fuller with this new modem to feed.

I will be getting back to this to see what is going on.  I have
been busy with the emergency traffic because of Andrew and trying
to get the Xenix box up an running.

Take care, Vikki.

Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: Super Poll beta release repeat polling program
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:17:01 GMT

In article <9uLcqB1w165w@cssnet.wplace.UUCP> mlewis@cssnet.wplace.UUCP (Mark Lewis) writes:
|in fact, IMHO, i firmly believe that the
|BBS software should answer the phone instead of the modem...

Waffle 1.65 will do this.  Put "auto-ata: ata" in your static file.

  Bill
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		wcf@hogbbs.scol.pa.us   (+1 814 238-9633 v.32bis)
From: rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: HISTORY
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 07:27:00 CDT
Organization: Network XXIII - +1 608 222 9253

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

| dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick) writes:

| There is one big "gotcha" to using my history program... I tested and debugge
| the program by using only my own STATIC file... and there are some rather
| simplistic assumptions I made that are not universally applicable.

| So, I have already been given a static file that my program does not YET work
| with.  I will update the software and let the group know when this problem ha
| been resolved.

So aren't you going to tell the rest of us what the problem is, at least
so we can avoid creating it in our own programs?  Or is it not that
kind of a problem?

I wish you would have spelled it out instead of dancing around naming
it specifically - if it's a bug I (and others) can avoid, it would be
helpful to us all to learn from others experiences.


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From: cnb@cnbisis.lerctr.org (Nelson Baird)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle 1.65 and BNU 1.70, and so forth.
Keywords: Waffle 1.65, BNU 1.70, V.32bis
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 15:08:47 CDT
Organization: ISIS, Inc, Ferris TX

moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us writes:

> cnb@cnbisis.lerctr.org (Nelson Baird) writes:
> 
> > I run a Telebit World-blazer.  It supports DTE speeds up to 115200 and
> > under some conditions throughput up to 70,000bps.  I frequently get
> > effective throuput of 2600+ bytes per second.  I have run at DTE of
> > 115200 for a few days.  I the messed something up.  I am now running at
> > DTE of 57600 till I get time to find and fix the problem...
> >
> > So  "57600 is a VERY valid speed."
> >
> >  Thanks,
> >  C. Nelson Baird
> 
> So, in other words, the World-Blazer supports 9600, 19.2K, 38.4K and 57.6K
> MODEM to MODEM speeds?
> 
  The telebit Worldblazer is supports 9600, 14,000 in standard v42 etc 
modes as DCE speed.  With other Telebit Worldblazers it supports efective 
DCE speed of 23,500 with a DCE protocol called PEP.  In addition to the 
DCE speeds the Worldblazer can do datacompression (MNP or V.42) and can 
provide modem support for file transfer protocols Kermit, Xmodem, Ymodem,
and "UUCP g".   (Oh. 14000 should be 14400 above).    
 
The combination of PEP and V.42 bis provides frequent throughput rates 
in excess of 70,000bps.  

I have done Zmodem transfers (without Zmodem support turned on in the 
modem) in excess of 3200Bytes per Second. 

The Telebit modems are available from some mailorder etc places, or 
at list from 1-800-telebit.  I got mine in an upgrade deal (up to two 
brand new modems for owning the old top of the line), so I do not know 
official prices.  I think I saw an ad in the 500 to 600 range but I do 
not remember where. 
 
P.S. Service is EXCELLENT.  They even ship ROM upgrades free if you 
report a problem they have fixed in subsiquent ROM levels. 
 

 Thanks,
 C. Nelson Baird
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From: cowan@aqua.ocunix.on.ca (Darin Cowan (root))
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waf1.64-XT-HST/DS- only getting 350cps
Keywords: s l o w
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 20:30:08 GMT
Organization: The Aquarium, Ottawa, Ontario

bdl@cruiser.uucp (Bob Lombard) writes:

> > When I connect with my newsfeed, (nwnexus), I'm only getting 300-350 cps
> > max.  NWNexus has WorldBlazers and I connect at 14.4K. NWNexus is overloade
> > and is in the process of upgrading (Thanks, ED!) but I also only get 300-35
> > when doing a UUCP transfer with halcyon.remote, which is using a T-2500.
> 
> about right for an xt.

Not if he installs a 16550 UART it isn't.

> assuming you're not running a 'turbo' xt, you could perhaps do a hardware
> hack on the processor clock & spped things up.  otherwise its new 
> cpu time me boy!

Mostly he needs a buffered UART that can handle the communications
while the computer putts along.  I've seen people run high speed modems
on XTs with no problems - provided they have a NS16550AFN UART on the
serial card.  It's a $15 part.


==============================================================================
                      cowan@aqua.ocunix.on.ca
  The Aquarium BBS  (613)736-1481  2400-14400 bps  V.32bis  V.42bis  HST
==============================================================================
From: peters@beltrix.guild.org (Peter Sleggs)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Memory and WAffle 1.65
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 08:24:39 EDT
Organization: Bellatrix Systems Corp., Mississauga, ONT Canada

mvdl@et.tudelft.nl writes:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> Do some of you perhaps know which conditions can influence the amount
> of memory posessed by WAFFLE.EXE in dos ?
> 
> We have something real spooky going on here: At our BBS (386SX equipped with
> QEMM) we have 613k availale in DOS... as soon as WAFFLE.EXE is executed, 
> all that's left is 166k on the waffle command prompt and 158k in the waffle-
> shell... This causes RMAIL.EXE to terminate with 'abornaml program
> termination'. Here at home on my computer (386SX also equipped with QEMM
> but with less hiram so less drivers hiloaded) I start with 539k available
> for program, and when WAFLLE.EXE is executed, I still have 277k left . This
> is ennough for RMAIL to run allright..
> 
> Very weird: I start with less mem, but end up with more memory... I only
> use waffle here to test soem things for the BBS, so I have not exactly the sa
> setup (the BBS has many nodes in the systems & paths file)..
> 
> Has someone expierenced this before ? What could it be ? (we'eve eliminated
> the diskcache as a cause)...

The # of news groups has a big impact, I run waffle in one window for
news and mail transfers and a local login in another and had a similar
problem, my sol'n with desqview

window 1.
       All communications is done here but it spawns window 2 to handle
       all batching etc
window 2.
       All unbatching/batching mail delivery is done here, so rmail has
       lots of room
window 3.
       local login done here... I have a SEPERATE static and usenet file
       for this login... I deleted any groups that I know I dont want to
       read from the usenet file ( main one has > 600 ) this freed up >
       150K of memory.


Regards
Peter

--
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peters@beltrix.guild.org or beltrix!peters
From: donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: sig length in waffle
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 21:45:16 CDT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

dkw@wolferts.ka.sub.org (Dr. Klaus Wolferts) writes:

> Is there any restriction in the length of a sig in waffle (1.64)?
> 
> I remember to have read anywhere (where?) that a sig should not be 
> longer than 4 lines. 
> 
> Now my sig is 5 lines as you see here (inserted into the posting with 
> the editor)
> 
> --- cut here after (CR/)LF ---
>  ____    __  __  __    __   __
> |    \  |  |/ / |  | /|  | / / Dr.-Ing. Klaus Wolferts: dkw@wolferts.ka.sub.o
> |  |  | |  | /  |  |/ |  |/ / Ing'Buro f. EDV + Elektronik  
> | d|  | | k| \  | w| /|  | / Mitteltorstr. 45,            Phone: +49 721 7060
> |____/  |__|\_\ |__|/ |__|/ D-7500 Karlsruhe 31, Germany,  4903'02"N 822'58
> 
> --- cut here ---
> 
> and I registered in the mean time, that the last line is omitted when 
> waffle sends postings or mails (look at the sig at the end, inserted 
> from Waffle). I even included another CR/LF at the end of the sig file 
> but it doesn't help. 
> Will Waffle restrict or cut the sig length to 4 lines? But I have seen 
> many sigs in waffle postings/mails with (often far) more than 4 lines.
> 
> Any ideas?  Klaus.
Do you perhaps have an imbedded ^Z in your SIg after the 4th line?
All file reads done in waffle use ^Z as end-of-file. This is a problem
in some places because waffle's builtin editor inserts a ^Z at the 
end-of-file, but most editor's do not, so it is possible to leave an 
imbedded ^Z in the file.


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From: bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: FredGate version 19L
Date: 4 Sep 92 05:00:43 GMT
Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA

Lawrence.London@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Lawrence London) writes:

> Does anyone know where a copy of FredGate version 19L
> (I hear this is the latest release) might be obtained 
> by modem download (preferable) or FTP?
> Thanks in advance
> Lawrence

Try ftp'ing to ieee.org and looking in /pub/fido --lotsa
good fido stuff in there.

--- 
Bob Kirkpatrick <bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us>
Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA
From: Jon Freivald <jaf@jaflrn.UUCP>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Polling problems
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 07:23:43 EDT
Organization: The Wizzard's Cave, East Meadow, NY

Jon Freivald <jaf@jaflrn.UUCP> writes:

> I'm trying to set up a friend with a Waffle system that I will feed.
> The problem is, when our two systems connect, his gets logged in, then,
> instead of getting the news that's spooled for him, we get scads of BAD
> HEADER messages, there's a pause (no SD/RD on the modem) & it starts
> over again (again with the BAD HEADER messages).  Once, after letting it
> run like this for over 5 minutes, we had a whole 29 bytes on his system.
> 
> My system hasn't had any problems from my feed since the first day I set
> it up.  Does anyone have any ideas?

As an addendum, here's some further information:

We entered a mail message on his machine - it came accross to mine ok,
but then nothing went from me to him...

He is running (but not logged into) a Novel NetWare LAN.  Waffle is set
up entirely on the c: drive.

=============================================================================
		   Jon Freivald ( jaflrn!jaf@uunet.UU.NET )
	 Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it.
=============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle