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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:42:00 PDT
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From:         Eric Dey <EBO1DEY@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Guidelines for network use

In response to the comments of Gene Glass regarding "Advertising
on the Networks," let me point out that there ARE guidelines for
using the network. Let me direct EPOLYAN readers to the
"Acceptable Use Policy" of the Corporation for Research and
Education Networking (CREN; the organization that operates BITNET).
CREN can be contacted at 202/872-4200 for a copy of their acceptable
use policy.

Of relevance here are two statements of (un)acceptable use:

  CREN networks are not to be used for commerical purposes, such
  as marketing...

  Advertising is prohibited...

These are the published rules; the tough question is figuring out
how they apply to the many grey areas that Gene mentions.
=====================================================================
Eric L. Dey, Associate Director
Higher Education Research Institute, UCLA
310/825-1925; Fax 206-2228

ebo1dey@uclamvs.bitnet
ebo1dey@mvs.oac.ucla.edu
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:13:00 MDT
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From:         ADAVIS@CUDENVER.BITNET
Subject:      Advertising E-Mail Courses

In the past couple of weeks, we have seen two announcements of international
courses, to be conducted over the Internet, asking people to send money.
One, from South America, asked for a mere $5.00 to explain subtleties of
using the network.  We noted that in short order it was followed by
a severe reprimand from someone I understood to be in charge of Internet
policies and accounts at the host university, and notification that the
course was cancelled and the offerer's Interntet privileges revoked.

Now, we have a $200 action research course being advertised from
a university in Australia.

I'm undecided about this use of Internet and our list.  One the one hand,
no one has swindled us out of any money.  On the other hand, there is
potential for (a) fraud and (b) being bombarded with notices, ads, and
invitations of every imaginable sort.  Are there existing Internet or
Bitnet policies about this sort of thing?  If so, is there a procedure
for sanctioning individuals who violate the policies?  I was somewhat
stunned when the South American fellow's account was closed a week after
he announced his "course."  Should the same thing happen to our friend
in Victoria?

Alan Davis
University of Colorado at Denver
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Please remove the following Bitnet Addresses from your distribution
lists.  The addresses were incorrectly supplied to you, and have
since been corrected.

SAS@FINABUS.FAB.ALBANY.EDU
LFN@FINABUS.FAB.ALBANY.EDU
Stephen A. Schafer
Assistant to the Controller
The University at Albany
AD-332
1400 Washington Avenue
Albany, New York  12222

Phone:  518-442-3105
Fax:    518-442-3117
ID:     SAS82@FINABUS.FAB.ALBANY.EDU
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From:         Sandy Cohn <ICSSJC2@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Competent to graduate.

Gene:  Seat time implies an unfortunate location for one's brains.  Why this in
dicator as opposed to something else?  Not to say that the tests are the answer
, but I doubt strongly that seat time is either.

Dr. Sanford J. Cohn                         VOICE: (602)965-6156
SPE586 Summer II 1992
Special Education                             FAX: (602)965-0223
Arizona State University                    EMAIL: ICSSJC2@ASUACAD
Tempe, AZ  85287-2011                      BITNET: ICSSJC2@ASUACAD
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add signon edpolyan  Bruce Meyer
My address is above.
Bruce
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From:         Susan Nolen <sunolen@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Advertising on the Networks

Don't I remember that we discussed abortion at some length a year or more
ago?  It seems to me that it crept into the discussion of moral
development for awhile...
In general I'm all for letting the net conversation go where it
may--when it has seemed to wander too far from the general interests of
our subscribers, usually someone calls the question and the topic changes or
continues in private.  Or we have a debate on whether it is a topic of
interest to the subscribers--which is often interesting in its own right.
______________________________________________________________________________

Susan B. Nolen                      322 Miller Hall DQ-12
                                    University of Washington
sunolen@u.washington.edu            Seattle, WA   98195
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 09:04:48 MST
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From:         Gene Glass <ATGVG@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Competent to graduate.

     The topic of competency tests for high school graduation has many sides.
 In anticipation of hearing you all air some of these sides in the next few
 days, I'll say only that I have thought about it for some time and have
 made up my mind that "seat time" is a far better standard for graduation
 than test performance. (Jim Popham used to be able to disparage "seat time"
 and never hear an objection from an audience of hundreds.)

     Mary Catherine Ellwein at the Univ of Virginia studied high school
 graduation competency tests as one of several means of "raising standards."
 In one of her case study sites she discovered a completely unexpected and
 marvelous effect of this device. The entire state instituted diploma by
 test. For decades, the special educ establishment had pressed the state
 board for a precise definition of what was required to earn a high school
 diploma; the board's response was always in terms of Carnegie units. Special
 ed students could never earn the units because they were tracked into spec
 ed course that didn't count toward graduation. At commencment, they got the
 certificate of attendance.
    Once the board instituted the test as the standard for graduation, the
 spec ed lobby demanded that spec ed students be allowed to take it. They did,
 and they passed: at least about 75% of them did. (We might well expect that
 any test easy enough for 95% of the regular students, as it must be if it is
 to survive politically, will be passed by a large percent of the spec ed
 students.)
    The result of this reform was that the high school diploma in the state
 was held up to ridicule.

_______________________________________________________________________

GENE V GLASS                                    ATGVG AT ASUACAD.BITNET
COLLEGE OF EDUCATION                            ATGVG AT ASUACVAX.BITNET
ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY                        INTERNET ADDRESS:
Tempe, AZ 85287-2411                            ATGVG@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU
602-965-2692  (303-499-2816 from June '92 until Dec. '92)
  (While on sabbatical until Dec. '92, I can be reached at
    GLASS@SPOT.COLORADO.EDU )
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:10:28 HST
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From:         Daniel Blaine <DANIEL@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Position Announcement

                ASSISTANT OR ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR
                  University of Hawaii at Manoa
                      College of Education
              Department of Educational Psychology
                   Telephone:  (808) 956-7775

     The UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII at Manoa, Department of Educational
Psychology intends to make a full-time, tenure-track, 9-month
appointment effective August 1, 1993.  Applications are invited
from candidates in all areas of educational psychology, including
(but not restricted to) learning, development, and cognition.
Candidates are expected to have a strong scholarly orientation.
Responsibilities:  The successful candidate will teach basic
undergraduate courses in educational psychology and graduate
courses in human learning, cognition, or development; conduct
research; advise graduate degree candidates; and participate in
teacher education, departmental and other interdisciplinary
activities.  Minimum Qualifications:  Assistant Rank - earned
doctorate in educational psychology or related discipline, with
evidence of effective teaching experience at the college/university
level, strong methodological background, and demonstrated research
ability.  Associate Rank - additional evidence of scholarly
productivity sufficient for appointment to graduate faculty and
four years in rank as assistant professor.
     The Department is administratively within the College of
Education and has graduate programs leading to the M.Ed. and the
Ph.D.  The current faculty members (four professors, one associate
professor, and two assistant professors) have research interests in
learning, development, cognition, and quantitative methods.
     The University of Hawaii at Manoa is a doctoral/research
institution with approximately 20,000 students on the campus.  It
is part of the larger University of Hawaii system which enrolls
over 50,000 students per year.
     The applicant should send a letter specifying the academic
rank for which he/she is applying; a curriculum vitae; evidence of
effective teaching; copies of publications; names, addresses, and
phone numbers of five references; and a doctoral transcript to Dr.
Harold Ayabe, Chair, Educational Psychology Department, College of
Education, University of Hawaii at Manoa, 1776 University Avenue,
Honolulu, Hawaii 96822.  Inquiries may also be addressed to
edpsych@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu or edpsych@uhunix.BITNET.  Review of
materials will begin on November 16, 1992 and will continue until the
position is filled. The minimum 9-month salary at the rank of assistant
professor is $40,000 and at the rank of associate professor is
$47,000.

The University of Hawaii is an affirmative action/equal opportunity
employer.
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:39:00 -0400
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From:         Cyril Kesten <KESTEN@MEENA.CC.UREGINA.CA>
Subject:      Re: Advertising E-Mail Courses

Advertisements in my mail box are a fact of life - at home, the office
and in my computer.  I do think the reaction to the South American offer
was severe and I am hoping that the Australian offer won't be ignored.
However, I do read this list and others for information as well as
dialogue.  So far the information concerning conferences, journals, etc.
has been useful.  But, I don't want tons of junk mail cluttering my
mailbox.  Can our moderator work on selecting the appropriate notices?
Do we need an absolute policy or can we be flexible?
From: SAS82@FINABUS.FAB.ALBANY.EDU (Steve Schafer)
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Subject: DISTRIBUTION
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:58:14 GMT
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I AM WRITING TO ASK YOU TO ADD THE FOLLOWING TWO BITNET ADDRESSES TO
YOUR CURRENT DISTRIBUTION LIST.  WE APPRECIATE THE ABILITY TO
RECEIVE YOUR INFORMATION AND NEWS IN A TIMELY FASHION.

LEO F. NEVEU,       ASSOCIATE VICE PRESIDENT AND CONTROLLER
                    THE UNIVERSITY AT ALBANY, AD-332
                    1400 WASHINGTON AVENUE
                    ALBANY, NEW YORK  12222
                    (518)-442-3105
                    LFN@FINABUS.FAB.ALBANY.EDU

STEPHEN A. SCHAFER, ASSISTANT TO THE CONTROLLER
                    THE UNIVERSITY AT ALBANY, AD-332
                    1400 WASHINGTON AVENUE
                    ALBANY, NEW YORK  12222
                    (518)-442-3105
                    SAS@FINABUS.FAB.ALBANY.EDU

THANK YOU FOR YOU ASSISTANCE, IF YOU REQUIRE FURTHER INFORMATION
PLEASE CONTACT ME AT THE ABOVE PHONE NUMBER OR BITNET ADDRESS.

THANK YOU...STEVE


Stephen A. Schafer
Assistant to the Controller
The University at Albany
AD-332
1400 Washington Avenue
Albany, New York  12222

Phone:  518-442-3105
Fax:    518-442-3117
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From:         gomide@FPSP.FAPESP.BR
Subject:      Apologies re: InterMeta course

PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY !
It is with regret that I perform this task. Dr. Gelson V. Gomes. a
professor of the University of Parana, Brazil, has exceeded this
privileges and announced a eletronic course:

> ____________________________________________________________
>        Mastering INTERNET Tools, Seizing METANET Power -
>                      The InterMeta Course
> ____________________________________________________________

I must apologize for this flagrant breach of network etiquette. Please
be aware that Dr. Gelson had no right to do so, since this is against
the rules of our ANSP network, and also against the Bitnet rules.
PLEASE DO NOT SEND MONEY!
I will not discuss what his motivations were. But his account has been
revoked, and there will be no such course through my network.

Please write by normal mail, to:
-> Gelson V. Gomes
-> 358, R. Alvaro Andrade - ap.1201
-> Curitiba PR BRAZIL 80610-240
to get more information on his objectives. He may want to give the
course by normal mail.  :-)

With regards,
--
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:17:00 EST
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From:         MMCCLURE@PITTVMS.BITNET
Subject:      USE OF NET

The use of the net discussion should be taken very seriously.  I have
heard that the administration is thinking about privatizing INTERNET.
If the net is used for free advertising, that great strengthens the
case for selling it off to someone like AT&T.

The live and let live argument begs the question of who is paying for
the system and what are their expectations?  Professional development is
a grey area.  Those who want advertising may also have to be willing to
pay for it in the not too distant future.

Maureen W. McClure
University of Pittsburgh
MMCCLURE@PITTVMS
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:30:02 MDT
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From:         "(Roger Wilson)" <rwilson@EDUC.UCALGARY.CA>
Subject:      Re: The Adoration of the Private Sector
              Se

Public school principals and supers need not necessarily direct
their entrepreneurial aspirations/skills toward the private
sector vis-a-vis contractual consultation. There will be plenty
of opportunity for the nation's (Cdn.) public schools to interact
with business as we all attempt to become *globally competitive*
through increased contact with private sector as the courtship of
economy and education heightens. I'm not sure we've seen it
peak, yet. A recent OECD publication SCHOOLS AND BUSINESS: A NEW
PARTNERSHIP (1992) recognizes that initial contacts have been
superficial and little more than hand-holding, as it were. The
publication notes that real change/influence comes from long term
involvement. These people are not going to go away and a closer
alignment of the economy and education raises educational issues
beyond high schoolers having the *correct* behaviours, skills and
attitudes for employment.
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From:         GELSON GOMES <GELSON@BRFAPESP.BITNET>
Subject:      Mastering INTERNET TOOLS

         "Mastering INTERNET Tools, Seizing METANET Power" -
                    "The InterMeta Course"

     Begining on October 10, the InterMeta Course will describe
the History of the Metanetwork and cover the basic utilities used
to access the network, as well as to guide users through the
Internet's, Bitnet's, (and othernets') "databases of databases"
to access files and archives available. Some of the topics to be
presented in the InterMeta Course are how to (1)Remote Login,
(2)Use Electronic Mail, (3)Move a File, (4)Find Software,
(5)Locate a Person, (3)Deal with Network Problems. An index that
covers a selection of resources available on the Internet,
ranging from Card Catalogs to Archives for USENET news will also
be delivered.
     In addition, some sessions will help UNIX, VMS, VAX and DOS
users to interface their systems to the Net.
     Resulting from five years of researching and using the
Network, the InterMeta Course is being prepared by Gelson
Gomes, Ph.D. The InterMeta is the first experience of a Global
Scale Course utilizing a matrix of connected networks, the
Metanetwork.
     Dr. Gomes is a professor at the Federal University of Parana
and is conducting research on the Computer Industries of Brazil
and Taiwan. He got his Doctoral Degree on Science and Technology
Public Policy at The George Washington University (Washington
D.C.).
     The course will be ministered from Brazil; to help
recovering local communication costs, (PDN is very expensive in
Brazil) a flat $ 5 US dollars donation is requested.
     To enroll in the InterMeta Course, please fill in the
application bellow and E-Mail to: Gelson@BRFAPESP.
____________________________________________________________
       Mastering INTERNET Tools, Seizing METANET Power -
                     The InterMeta Course
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                        APPLICATION FORM

Name:
Institution:
Highiest Degree Earned:
City:               Country:

__ Yes, I am sending US$ 5 dollars
     (or the equivalent on my own currency)

Mail your check to:
Gelson V. Gomes
358, R. Alvaro Andrade - ap.1201
Curitiba PR BRAZIL 80610-240
From: weissgla%henri@HUB.UCSB.EDU (Julian Weissglass)
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Subject: The Adoration of the Private Sector
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I think we should rise above cynicism and continue to challenge the
assumptions that are pushing private sector control of education.
There is a concerted attack on public education and as capitalism contiues to
prove itself more and more unworkable, these attacks wil probably increase.
We can help by challenging the greed that underlies the capitalistic system.
After all the private sector has not done all that well -- and its gains are not
 inherently linked to capitalistic approaches.
From: MURPHY@JUNCOL.JUNIATA.EDU
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Subject: Renaissance Foundation
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Does anyone out there know about the Renaissance Foundation?  It is
advertised as an "academic booster club," with the goal of helping schools to p
promote academic excellence by using successful business principles.  I've
read some encouraging anecdotes from participating schools, but I've yet
to see empirical documentation of effects.  Info.?
Donna Murphy
Dept. Education
Juniata College
Huntingdon, PA
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From:         Harold Mitzel 814/237-0242 <HM3@PSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Competent to graduate.

     Gene G.s comment on the use of performance tests to certify h.s.
graduation is well taken.  Both "seat time" and current achievement tests
are flawed.  An alternative would be a voluntary computer-mediated
curriculum with enough floor in it for the special education pupils
and enough ceiling for the academically gifted.  Achievement would then
be described for a particular student in terms of how much of the
curriculum he had mastered.  No one would be able to make progress in
an ordered curriculum without mastering the earlier and easier parts.
Teachers working in the role of coaches would be able to help every
student go as far as possible in the curriculum.  With sufficient
resources the curriculum (divided into subjects) could be custom
tailored by a school to fit its particular needs for bells and whistles.
It's easiest to see how it might work in a well-ordered subject like
Mathematics, but the concept has promise for other subjects as well.
This plan has the major advantage of addressing the unchallenged
mind power of many of today's students who are undermotivated to achieve.
**************************************************************************
Harold E. Mitzel
Penn State Univ. (hm3@psuvm)
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From:         Michael Knapp <mknapp@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      message to sue nolen

In response to question about SRI International (formerly Stanford
Research Institute):  The two got divorced in the early 1970's over the
issue of defense-related work (SRI then was doing about 50% of its 100
million a year business in the defense sector; campus activists insis6ted
that figure be cut to 25%).  The terms of the divorce were (1) SRI coiuld
only use the initials, not the "Stanford" name; (2) SRI would pay Stanford
1 % of its gross per year as alimony; (3) the two would stay hooked up on
the university ID mail system.   There are probably other complications to
the settlement that I never learned about in 10 years working at SRI.

Bye.  Michael Knapp  (INternet address:  mknapp@u.washington.edu)
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