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From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: New address for FurryMUCK?? ********
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:34:23 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

The latest address is 138.74.0.10 8888.
From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: FUR-losophy
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:02:23 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1993Jan21.185020.8016@rei.com>, fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:
> GR>> She really hate the latest Furlough which has a blonde vixen that is the
>   >> typical airhead sterotype. :O
> 
> This is something that's always kinda bugged me about some furry art.

And watch the credits.  If "GR" means Greywolf, I didn't type that.  I think
that was Armstrong's comment.  I haven't even *seen* the latest Furrlough.
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From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Gender of Furries
Date: 26 Jan 93 10:39:43 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1993Jan25.074155.21330@scubed.com>, esalbert@scubed.com (Eric Salberta) writes:
> In article <570.472.uupcb@homebase.com> michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong)  writes:
>>DU>I'm not sure if I completely understand the comment, but the gist that I'm
>>  >reading is that (1) furries aren't and shouldn't be necessarily
>>  >stereotypical -- i.e. you shouldn't assume that all cats are females and
>>  >all dogs are males and (2) the way that various furries are pictured
>>  >may be a reflection on our own society.  As our values change, these
>>  >depictions also change.
>>
>>That is correct, I was getting at an earlier preception of gender
>>through furries as a possible connection to gender bias from that
>>generation.  Furries have change in sense in our close group enviroment

:

> 	Those who attended the Eric Schwartz animation on Saturday at
> ConFURence, or are into Amiga animation at all, will surely think of
> Amy the Squirrel, heroine of several very nice animations by Eric
> Schwartz.  Relaxing the "funny-animal" restriction, there are several
> examples from manga, including the Dirty Pair and one of the three

:

I'm not quite sure what the point is, but if Armstrong's trying to suggest that
there's some sort of gender-discrimination going on here (and I've been having
problems following Armstrong's points anyway on a lot of things), then I would
certainly disagree.  For most of the "furry" comics I know of that are the most
popular, particularly Erma Felna of the EDF, Red Shetland, Xanadu, etc., the
lead character (or the character I presume is the lead character) is a female. 
Now, I *might* contend that things are a bit too much on the cheesecake side in
furrydom for my personal tastes, but that's about it.  I'm inclined to think
that a lot of writers have had it hammered into them so many times that it's a
bad thing to give all the good parts to males that it's probably likely there
are a lot of writers who are consciously putting a female in the lead role in
order to offset that.  Of course, it could be just that Jim Groat likes to draw
scantily-clad warrior-mares.  {shrug}
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From: fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: Off Line and News
Organization: Foxes 'R' Us - Seven locations to serve you
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:07:20 GMT

Taral.Wayne@f432.n250.z1.fidonet.org writes:

>The art shows a skunk-like character called a Teh Langgi, riding a 
>pony-thing, kneedeep in water, beach toys floating around their legs.

I download just about everything that ever crosses into Tezuka, and I
have not seen a picture that looks like this.  Perhaps it was not
scanned and uploaded after all.

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From: fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: Furry Mecha pix?
Organization: Foxes 'R' Us - Seven locations to serve you
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:45:16 GMT

peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf) writes:

>Anyway, if there's already an FTP site just for mecha =) that'd be just great. 
>I sincerely doubt it, though ...  =<

Oh ye of little faith.  While I don't know of a specific site, I am sure
that there is a site for Japanese Animation fandom (probably several),
as I recall a friend of mine mentioning this fact.  You could probably
find out about such sites by asking in a few newsgroups, such as:

alt.manga
rec.arts.manga

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From: michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong) 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: FUR-losophy
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:16:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Home Base BBS - St. Thomas, Ontario - 519-633-7253
Reply-To: michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong) 

From: michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong)

Gr> I think that Maus was more a sterotype of the relationship between

MA>> Brits? Fish? Maybe Monty Python. :)  You forget Brits are typecast as
  >> old British Bull Dog.  This opens a whole new anthropomorphic metaphor

Gr>Typecast where?  I've only read Maus II.  All I know is that the Americans w
  >shown as dogs.

I've actually only just looked at both books and haven't picked up
either. :(  I only going with the cat & mouse idea since it's an obvious
and perfect metaphor to use for that type of story.

                                ---mike---
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: rhiannon@netcom.com (The Lady R)
Subject: CF4 thanks
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:43:49 GMT

(sung to the tune of "The Mickey Mouse Club")

"Who's the founder of the con
 That's fun for you and me?

 It's S-Y, L-A-S
 S-A-B-L-E!"

Thanks, Mark, Rod, Shayn et al, for a great con!  Even with the Gestapo
hovering, it was fun.

Rhia/Mhari

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Subject: Re: Dan Flahive's Space Wolf
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:15:00 +0000


> The traffic on alt.fan.furry that reached the Aerie during the
> same period?  Forty-five messages.

Waah! I want in!


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From: joachim@kih.no (joachim lous)
Subject: Re: Tinysex & FUR-losophy
Organization: Kongsberg Ingeniorhogskole
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:55:50 GMT

Ray Rooney (ray.rooney@satalink.com) wrote:
> To: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)

> GR>> |>        Why are cats typecast as girls and dogs typecast as boys?
> GR>>
> GR>dogs typecast as boys" *does* seem awfully over-generalized.  I wonder where
> GR>the original writer made his assumptions from?  (i.e. Does he have any
> GR>particular stories in mind that have shaped this view?)

> I couldn't say, but... the stereotyping goes WAY back. In the course of
> researching another topic I ran across it in several olde stories. One
> scholar theorized that it grew out of patterns of pet-keeping:

Good point, but I think an important factor is physical appearance
and (more importantly) body laguage (compared with that of humans)
The way cats walk definitely looks more female than the way dogs do,
while foxes are more elegant in both motion and appearance than (most)
dogs, thus qualifying them for any gender. If we look at the exceptions
to this, differences in appearence within a species is often an issue.
A Dobberman or Schaefer will usually strike you as male (though actually
it's probably 50/50). A perfectly styled, flossy Cocker Spaniel
looks more female, probably because of the ears resembling long hair
etc. This is reflected in comics and litterature. (with lots of exceptions
of course. I'm long haired and male). 

The anology in MAUS is of a completely different order. Cats eat mice
and pigs will eat anything. Bulldogs also chase cats.

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From: IO10716@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Jason McIntosh)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: FUR-losophy
Date: 22 Jan 93 03:39:35 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

In article <1993Jan21.185020.8016@rei.com>, fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox) says:
>
>GR>> She really hate the latest Furlough which has a blonde vixen that is the
>  >> typical airhead sterotype. :O
>
>This is something that's always kinda bugged me about some furry art.
>How can one explain a blonde-headed red fox character?  It just doesn't
>seem to make sense.  It seems to me that the head-hair color should at
>least be the same shade as the rest of the fur.  I can't imagine why a
>furry would want to bleach their hair, either.
>
Actually, just the fact that female furries have 'hair' is buggy enough,
at least to me. Is that just really long and differently textured fur, or
separate hair? And why dont the males ever get it? They'd all be bald as
cues in human parallels, by this standard.
But then, there's so much more stuff about furries I've never seen covered.
Like... do they shed regularly, or go to full-body barbers, or what?
It's reasons like these that make me group all of furrydom with 'toons in
my mind and leave it at that.
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From: Nicolai.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Zoomorphica
X-Sender: newtout 0.06 Jan  3 1993
Date: 24 Jan 93  17:54:59

On <Jan 21 17:22>, Craig F. Aoki wrote:

 CF>Does anyone know what happened to Zoomorphica and Watts Martin?
 CF>(That's the guy that was publishing it right?)

Issue number one is out; I picked up a copy at ConFurence 4 (has a NICE
story by Laurence Watt-Evans...)

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From: michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong) 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: FUR-losophy
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:04:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Home Base BBS - St. Thomas, Ontario - 519-633-7253
Reply-To: michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong) 

From: michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong)

FF>This is something that's always kinda bugged me about some furry art.
  >How can one explain a blonde-headed red fox character?

BM>One thing that I envy about animals is that they have such a variety of
  >spots, stripes, two-tones and other color schemes while humans
  >mostly have one color hair and one color skin (per person).  A
  >horse's mane is often lighter or darker than the rest of its coat.

You must of missed the Punk Rock fad. :)  I think that mix of human and
animal genetic furry code to bit of this, a bit of that.  There has been
alien races with two-tone skin colour but I can't remember that going
for natural hair colour?  Hmmm....

At least centaur follow the two tone scheme with Stinz.  Blonde head
hair with black hair end.

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: bh6720@uacsc1
Subject: FIRSTPOST
Reply-To: bh6720@uacsc1
Organization: University of Albany, SUNY
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 19:02:44 GMT

Afternoon, all.

First off, I'm looking for furry artwork that I can get from an ftp site
other than tezuka.  I've just received a new PC and I'm making a little
personal library.  I'm already about halfway thru tezuka so I'm interested
in anyplace anyone has to offer.

Secondly, working in a comic book store over X-mas break has given me a
wider glance at a few more furry titles.  I picked up Albedo 6 and 7
(I wasn't pleased with them, finding them confusing) and Space Wolf 1.
I would like to put out my praise for Space Wolf because it was easy to
follow and a generally entertaining story.  Thumbs up in my vote.

Anyway, this being my first post to anywhere ever, just wanted to say
it's great to be on the air and I enjoy the conversation.

-Rigel

Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: kmeyers@nyx.cs.du.edu (Karl Meyers)
Subject: Re: Life on FurryMUCK returns to normal
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 16:00:45 GMT

michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong) writes:

>I guess the MUCKers will have to tackle that problem when they get to
>it (or you. A real gripping problem.) ;) Okay enough puns.

Are you sure you're not on Furry, Mike?  :)  I know people on there who can
match you pun for pun.  Namely, me.  :P

>How can a furry have tentacles?

As I recall, a "furry" can be any anthropormophic animal, even if they don't
have fur.  For example, the TMNT are "furries" by that definition.  The reason
the term "furry" is used is because of people's inclination toward species that
have fur (mammals like wolves, cats, horses, rabbits, and so on).

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From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Furry Mecha pix?
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:44:23 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Does anybody know about the policies for the Tezuka site about what sort of art
is okay, what isn't?  I'd also be curious to know if anybody has the ftp
address for any other GIF collections that aren't necessarily furry.  Since I
started work on the Mecha Arena over on FurryMUCK, I've done a few doodles of
mecha I've designed for it (many of them from some stories that I've submitted
to Tai-Pan and one which I hope Furrlough might consider -- in any case, the
*stories* definitely have morphs in them) ... and since mecha are not, well,
*furry*, posting pix of them seems kind of questionable.  (Maybe I could insert
a little obligatory furry sitting on top of the mecha or standing on the ground
looking up at it or something.  Would that qualify?  =)  )

Anyway, if there's already an FTP site just for mecha =) that'd be just great. 
I sincerely doubt it, though ...  =,
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From: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: FUR-losophy
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:10:04 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

From: fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox)
>
>This is something that's always kinda bugged me about some furry art.
>How can one explain a blonde-headed red fox character?  It just doesn't
>seem to make sense.  It seems to me that the head-hair color should at
>least be the same shade as the rest of the fur.  I can't imagine why a
>furry would want to bleach their hair, either.

I have an anthropomorphic fox character (Jennifer Logan, a/k/a the Star
Fox) who is an alien of sorts, who has long, white hair.  She was raised
by a Terran (human) and because she identified more closely with Terrans
than others of her kind, she decided to adopt certain Terran affectations,
including long hair on her head.  Members of her race do not normally have
long hair, so Jen carefully combed out the fur on her head (with a little
help from Minoxidil :-) ), which simply grew out white instead of red.

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From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Subject: Re: Zoomorphica
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:15:00 +0000


And likewise -- I am visitin the US next month with an empty bag 
ready to fill up with furry stuff, fill in the gaps in my (old and 
new) Albedo collection and stuff. Can anyone give me a list of good 
funny animal/furry stuff to keep an eye out in Comix shops out there 
please?


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From: co252@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Craig F. Aoki)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Beatrix (Is it potter of farmer?)
Date: 22 Jan 1993 01:59:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I was wondering if any one could tell me more about the Beatrix
and Dorthy characters that appeared in the New Albedo #7 as a
Back-Up comic?.?.?

Any information would be nice (Like background info and where else
they have appeared).

Thanks for any information in advance
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From: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: FUR-losophy
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:35:56 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Bill Marcum (bmarcum@world.std.com) wrote:
>
>It's in issue #6, in a story called "Hairlift" by Toivo Rovainen, inked by
>James Ernest and lettered by Carol Monahan.
>
>SPOILER WARNING

>
> A female fox dries her hair by sitting on the wing (or whatever you
>call it, anyway, on the outside) of a helicopter gunship, wearing only
>a towel.  She then falls off, and so does the towel.  The copter crew
>have to fight off enemy helicopters before going down to save her.  The
>pilot says "It'll be alright.  Blondes fall real slow."

Gee, I can't imagine why anyone would be offended at that...

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From: Nicolai.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: FUR-losophy
X-Sender: newtout 0.06 Jan  3 1993
Date: 24 Jan 93  17:54:17

On <Jan 21 15:34>, Frank T Sronce wrote:

 FT>least be the same shade as the rest of the fur.  I can't imagine 
 FT>why a
 FT>furry would want to bleach their hair, either.

I can't imagine why ANYONE would want to bleach their hair...

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From: fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: FUR-losophy
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:50:20 GMT
Organization: Recognition Equipment, Inc.

GR>> She really hate the latest Furlough which has a blonde vixen that is the
  >> typical airhead sterotype. :O

This is something that's always kinda bugged me about some furry art.
How can one explain a blonde-headed red fox character?  It just doesn't
seem to make sense.  It seems to me that the head-hair color should at
least be the same shade as the rest of the fur.  I can't imagine why a
furry would want to bleach their hair, either.

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From: fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: Dan Flahive's Space Wolf
Organization: Foxes 'R' Us - Seven locations to serve you
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:15:26 GMT

Nicolai.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org writes:

>The traffic on alt.fan.furry that reached the Aerie during the
>same period?  Forty-five messages.

Well, if we could get better distribution, such as by moving the group
over to rec.fan.furry, just think where we would be then!

Probably fifty messages.  :)

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From: foxen@netcom.com (Foxen)
Subject: Re: Furry centaurs
Organization: Fuzzball Software and Graphic Arts
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:51:25 GMT

michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong)  writes:
>
>Approxiately how old is these furry'taurs?  There was a lynx?'taur on
>the cover of Epic magazine February '85.  It was done by Michael Wm.
>Kaluta about 1979.  I just wonder how old the concept of alternate
>centaurs is?
>

'Taurs of various types and species have been around for years and years
and years.  I won't even TRY to guess when this all started.  I do know
that the Centaur's Gatherum has had them for many years.  And if you get
into Mythology, there've probably been various other 'taurs (other than
minotaurs and centaurs) for a few thousand years.  Hmm.  I seem to recall
some sort of 'taur type statue from babylonia.

	- Foxen

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