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From: timr@sco.COM (Tim Ruckle)
Subject: Giant Hits on Montana (was Re: need football footage for education)
Organization: The Gifted and the Damned
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:02:46 GMT
Keywords: 49ers, inertia


Va negvpyr <1992Jul16.142500.14283@makesys.com>
john@makesys.com (John Turman) jevgrf:
} In article <64655@janus.trl.oz> briganti@janus.trl.oz (Joe Briganti) writes:
} >[...] 
} >A better example of inertia would be the Leonard Marshall hit on Joe Montana
} >in the NFC title game of a few years ago. 
} >[...] 
} 
} It wasn't Leonard Marshall, it was Jim Burt that pancaked Shmoe Montana and
} knocked him into next year. I remember it well cause Burt's a Cane and I love
} to see Idaho er Montana lying on the ground in great pain. And to have a Cane
} do it was the coup de gras.

I don't remember Montana in great pain--I remember him being out cold.
Didn't they take him away in an ambulance?  That was a game in '88 if
memory serves...

But you do have to give credit to that crafty DeBartolo for hiring the
one guy who'd put his franchise QB in the hospital.  ;^)

} There was another game a few years ago when Shmoe got rappycacked and they
} showed a shot of him on the sidelines and he looked totally dazed and
} confused. It was the highlight of the game...

This sounds an awful lot like the one reffered to above.  I don't remember
if it was Leonard Marshall, but Montana did take a vicious hit in the NFC
Championship game for the '90 season which knocked him silly, broke his
finger, and sidelined him for the remaining minutes.  That was the last
game that Montana played in.  The season opener against the Giants may
very well (I should say hopefully will) be his first since then.

Many 49er fans probably were so totally dazed themselves at "The Fumble"
and the subsequent shattering of their three-peat dream to remember this
part of that debacle.  But I'll bet that Joe hasn't.

-timr

--
"I want to take him home and give him potatoes and meat."
                             --former 49er Matt Millen on Joe Montana
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From: mw@col.hp.com (Mike Waughn)
Subject: Re: Arena Football League week 8
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:11:31 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

njs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (nicholas.j.sauer) writes:
> 
> Week Eight Results (home team in caps):
> 
> ORLANDO 71, Arizona 21
> DETROIT 31, Sacramento 10
> TAMPA BAY 62, Albany 42

This game was on ESPN last week, good game.  Albany could do nothing to
stop Stevie Thompson.  He scored something like 4 TDs.  This was the first
game that I happened to catch on ESPN (what a surprise with the eratic 
schedule).  The announcers are much better than Prime, and the production of
the game was also top drawer.  My big complaint is that they do not show the
game in its entirty, they cut it to fit into 2 hours.  You don't miss any 
scoring, but you miss turnovers, kickoffs, etc.  I guess that I should be
happy that any games are on TV.

> Charlotte 38, NEW ORLEANS 33
> CINCINNATI 62, Cleveland 20
> SAN ANTONIO 41, Dallas 40
> 
> Week Nine Schedule:
> 
> 7/23
> 
> Dallas at Sacramento
> 
> 7/24
> 
> Orlando at Charlotte
> Cleveland at Detroit
> 
> 7/25
> 
> Cincinnati at Albany

This is the ESPN game this week. 12 midnight eastern/10pm mountain.  Should
be a good one, both teams are battling in the Northern division.

> San Antonio at Arizona
> Tampa Bay at New Orleans
> 
> Nick Sauer
> 
> "I can just imagine stopping a group of terrorists in their tracks with this
> magnificent weapon." Negativland GUNS, Now.
> 
> 

Arena news that I have read recently:

Cincinnati Rockers' QB Art Schlitcher (sp?) has had a relapse of his gambling
problem.  I was very surprised when Detroit traded him, and I hope that this
did not contribute to his relapse.  Art was always a very good player in
Detroit, and I wish him the best.

The Sacramento Attack have signed ex-Notre Dame QB Tony Rice, who most
recently played with the Barcelona Dragons of the WL.  This is a good
pickup, I think Tony will make a fine Arenaball QB.

Now a question.  Does anyone know what happened to the Los Angeles franchise
that was supposed to start playing this year?  I read in the USA Today, that
the owner and the league had some sort of disagreement before the season.

Mike Waughn
Go Drive!
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From: msherrick@kean.ucs.mun.ca (Mike Sherrick)
Subject: CFL vs NFL: Why different rules?
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:05:37 GMT

I have always wondered why there are major differences in CFL and NFL 
rules (3 vs 4 downs, backfield in motion OK or not, etc.). I believe 
football is the only sport with such large inter-country differences. 
Why? Another example of Canadian concern for self identity? Politics? 
Or is there a sensible reason that I don't know about?

Mike
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From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
Subject: Re: Eagles Training Camp News
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:20:41 GMT

bill@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King) writes:

>>Unsigned Veterans: (12)
>>-----------------------
>>Rich Miano - Safety              backup free safety

>	Rich is working out at Golds Gym in Honolulu...looks good.
>	He attended mini camp a few weeks EArlier and is not
>	worried about training camp absence.
>	When did he get demoted to 'backup'?

When did he ever start ahead of Wes Hopkins?

I certainly never saw it... he played some nickel and dime situationss  
and filled in for hurt/tired starters at DB and safety, but never
started to my knowledge... unless it was at DB opposite Allen when Ben
Smith first got hurt... but that DB job was eventually given to Otis
Smith...
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From: mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: CFL vs NFL: Why different rules?
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:22:51 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Jul30.093537.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> msherrick@kean.ucs.mun.ca (Mike Sherrick) writes:
>I have always wondered why there are major differences in CFL and NFL 
>rules (3 vs 4 downs, backfield in motion OK or not, etc.). I believe 
>football is the only sport with such large inter-country differences. 
>Why? Another example of Canadian concern for self identity? Politics? 
>Or is there a sensible reason that I don't know about?
>
>Mike

It's just a simple case of how a game was similar at one point but each went
their separate ways.  Canadian football has always had much more of a rugby
influence than the American version did.  The Canadian game also had more
leagues (QRFU, ORFU, MRFU, CIFRU, WRFU) meaning that each league may have
had a little quirk to their game that made it to the eventual CFL.  In fact,
the forward pass was not standard until 1931 (remember, it was an American
invention).  It's no different that in the late 40's, there was one version
of basketball.  There's now the NBA version (most changed), International
(somewhat different), and college (not much change).


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*  Mike Burger                    *  I may have had the needle in my arm,     *
*  mmb@lamar.colostate.edu        *  but I never pushed the plunger.          *
*  University of Michigan - 1990  *  --Dave Barry                             *
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From: thomas@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Kevin Thomas)
Subject: Putting John Turman in a KILL file.
Followup-To: thomas@asl.dl.nec.com
Summary: need help with kill files...
Keywords: newsreader, kill files, j.t.
Organization: NEC America, Inc. Irving, Texas
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:43:55 GMT

Before I'm flamed beyond recognition, I like to state that I'm
unable to RTFM because I don't have the M for my newsreader.

On to the question...  I use the newsreader "rn" and would like
to create a KILL file which will kill all articles submitted to
rec.sport.football.pro that are written by John Turman.  However,
I do not have a man page for "rn" and the built-in help doesn't
seem to be quite helpful enough.

Can somebody help me out with this?

Thanks,
Kevin Thomas

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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Washington Redskins - Holdouts
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:48:42 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

From the Washington Post, July 27, 1992:

MARK RYPIENS made $1.5 million in 1991, the NFL's 14th highest paid
QB.  Asking: a two-year deal worth about $4.45 million per season, a
shade under Miami's Dan Marino, the NFL's highest paid player at about
$4.5 million.  Redskins: offering a four-year deal worth about $3 million
per season.  With incentives, he would be second or third highest paid
in the NFL.

DARRELL GREEN earned $825,000 plus incentives in '91.  Asking: about
$2 million per season, which would make him highest paid defender, surpassing
Lawrence Taylor's $1.833 million.  Highest paid DB is Pittsburg's Rod
Woodson, who signed a three-year deal worth $1.45 million per season
last season, with $1 million bonus.  Redskins: offering about $1.1 million
per season, which would make him the highest paid DB in base pay.

JIM LACHEY wants to be the NFL's highest paid OL by a wide margin, at
about $2 million per season.  Was the NFL's highest paid OL when he
signed a two-year deal worth about $900,000 per season in 1990.  Now,
Houston's Bruce Matthews is tops, at about $1 million for 1992.  Redskins:
offering to make him the NFL's highest paid OL, at about $1.1 million
per season.

DESMOND HOWARD seeks a four-year deal worth $2 million a season, similar
to what the No. 2 overall pick in draft, LB Quentin Coryatt, got from
Indianapolis.  The No. 3 pick, DE Sean Gilbert, got a five-year deal
worth about $1.5 million a season from the Los Angeles Rams.  Redskins:
have slotted Howard, the fourth overall pick, just below that, offering
him a four-year contract worth about $1.35 million a year.


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From: emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA (Emilio Rivera)
Subject: Re: Bills release Leonard Smith
Reply-To: emilio@crchh444.BNR.CA (Emilio Rivera)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:53:55 GMT

In article <BrwKrr.K8o@acsu.buffalo.edu>, evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
(Doug Evans - UCS Network Systems) writes:
|>Excerpts from today's (Friday) Buffalo News:
|>
|>
|>                      SMITH SAYS HE'LL SUE OVER HIS RELEASE
|>
|>
|>	FREDONIA - Leonard Smith said he intends to take legal action against
|>the Buffalo Bills for causing a debilitating infection in his left knee and
|>for releasing him before he was healthy enough to pursue an opportunity with
|>another NFL team.
|>
|>	Until he was waived Thursday, Smith and club officials had maintained
|>that the nature of the infection and how it was contracted were unknown. But
|>shortly after his release, SMith told the Buffalo News the knee had been 
|>improperly cleansed before Bills physician Dr. Richard Weiss gave him a 
|>cortisone injection 45 minutes before the Bills' AFC title clash, and that
|>"bacteria got on the needle at the time I got the shot."
|>
|>[...]
|>
|>	"Legal action will take place as soon as possible," he said. "My agent,
|>Craig LaMaster (of St. Louis), is handling that right now. I just spoke with
|>him, and he's already spoken with a league lawyer and my personal
lawyer. That
|>part of it will take care of it itself.
|>
|>	"Hopefully, it will be resolved in an action where it won't get ugly."
|>
|>[...]
|>
|>======================================================================
=========
|>
|>Don't you just hate it when NFL teams do this to their stars? I'm on
Leonard's
|>side. I just can't understand why the Bills dump people like Fred Smerlas and
|>Leonard Smith in such an ignominious way. You would think that the Bills, and
|>for that matter all NFL clubs, would show a certain amount of loyalty to 
|>players that have contributed consistently for them.
|>
|>It reminds of the Mark Bavaro situation in NY.
|>
|>Stay tuned.
|>
|>Doug
|>
|>                                    |                              Doug Evans
|>                                    | State University of New York at Buffalo
|>                                    |             evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
                                              
Looks like another 'business decision' by another football team.  When 
a player, even a star, is considered washed up its out
door........................

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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Bobby Humphrey
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:48:26 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <92209.084150JGARLITZ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JGARLITZ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>Does anybody know what is going on with Bobby Humphrey?  Has he showed for
>training camp?  Is he going to try to work out a contract with Denver now
>that Gaston Green has been signed for another year?
>
>--Paul Garlitz        JGARLITZ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUC


ummm.. well...  you see... Actually, Bobby now plays for the Miami Dolphins..
Working out a contract with Denver would be a no-no at this point.  The
Broncos got Sammie Smith in return...
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From: mndavis@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Mark N. Davis)
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins - training camp report
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:47:09 GMT
Summary: Rypien wants how much?

In article <1992Jul22.174914.20857@verdix.com>, drew@verdix.com (Drew Johnson) writes:
> In article <22595@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
> >Charley Casserly didn't speak with the agent for either holdout, quarterback 
> >Mark Rypien or wide receiver draft choice Desmond Howard as each side
> >appears to be waiting for the other to make the next move.  Rypien has
> >told agent Ken Staninger to pursue a formal one-year offer from the
> >CFL Toronto Argonauts in case he decides to gamble that NFL players
> ...[excluded bantering about Rypien's holdout]
> 
> I think this 'gamble on free agency' stuff is pretty ridiculous.  Does anybody
> out there think that some other team in the NFL is going to pay Ryp 4mil/year?

Not unless Rypien can hit a Major League curveball...oops, wrong sport. Sorry,
they don't pay that kind of cash in the NFL. Are you listening Mr. Rice?

> The guy is turning up his nose at getting more than 3mil per year.  I hope
> he goes to Toronto.

I hope he goes to a worse place than that!

                           Mark
From: august@hlpdsk.jsc.nasa.gov (Ray August)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Oilers -- training camp report
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:50:58 GMT
Organization: LESC
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4



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From: tchan@ucselx.sdsu.edu (t c)
Subject: Re: Chargers stuff..
Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:25:32 GMT

kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:



>The good news.. all, and I mean ALL, draft picks are signed and in
>the training camp starting today. 

>The bad news.. there are a bunch of key veterans unsigned and making
>ridiculous salary claims. That includes starting QB Friesz who wants
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^
Just who J. Friesz think he is? He makes Beathard looking pretty bad.
If not for Beathard who pluck him out of some small Idaho(no flame intend)
college Friesz probably will never play in NFL. He should just sign the
damn contract and prove in the field that he is one of the top qb in the
league.  Beathard should start fine him $5,000.00 a day like he did to
J. Seau last year.

>$1M this year (he made $120K + incentives last year). I think $1M is
>too much for a 1-year starter of a 4-12 team. But then, his agent
>says that there are 37 QBs with > $1M salary in the NFL, and that
>Freisz is in the top 37 in QB talent. On top of that, Joe Philips
>wants to the highest paid Charger..hoho..



>--Prashanth
>  prash@bhaskara.ucsd.edu
>  U of California at San Diego
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bobby Humphrey
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:45:05 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

>tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini) writes:
> 
>According to this mornings paper Jones has made an interesting offer
>to both players agents. If they sign now, he'll agree to take an
>average of the three players drafted before and after each, and raise
>their salaries if their contract does not meet that average once all
>the rookies are signed. The agents of both players have refused the
>offer.

Clearly, Vincent is waiting for Buckley to sign.  If Buckley gets the 
$2M+ that he's asking for it could be worth $250K+ to Vincent.  But 
I'd expect Vincent to give in soon.  He's a smart guy and knows 
missing too much of camp isn't going to help him.

JGH
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From: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Subject: Re: Bobby Humphrey
News-Software: NN 6.4.16
Reply-To: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Organization: Encore Computer Corp
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:16:17 GMT

In <1992Jul27.161438.21214@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes:

| Bobby Humphrey is indeed in training camp. In Miami!
| 
Well, he's in camp, but he has sat out 5 days of practice now with a sore
knee.

| Has the net heard about the Dolphins Saga with Oglesby? He overslept
| Thursday, and was scared of Shula, so he told a story about begin held
| up at gunpoint and his car stolen. (The car had been found abandoned
| in a bad neighborhood.) Shula said that he would take Oglesby at his
| word, but Oglesby later recanted his story. He got fined about  4,000
| dollars, 2 for missing practice, and 2 for conduct unbecoming a
| Dolphin or some such. The biggest thing was that Shula recinded his
| policy of allowing veterans to go home at night during camp. I'll bet
| the other Fin vets aren't very happy at Oglesby.
| 

On top of that, last night, Oglesby was at a pay phone outside the Dolphins'
dormitory talking to a friend when a group of people abducted him from the
pay phone, and tied him up to a palm tree near by with several rolls of 
industrial tape.  Thing here that it was a group of Dolphins players led
by Louis Oliver, Mark Lee?, Gene Williams, and a few others.  The group 
said that he was yelling and struggling to get free from them, and that he was
damn heavy to carry (Oglesby weighs 285).  After an half-hour bein tied to 
the tree, Williams started to feel pity on him and let him go.

The next day when the players told Shula, Shula responded "Where did they tied
him, outside the (strip) bar?"  The players have vowed to play pranks on him
till the end of camp.

Poor guy!

| Any rumors about Vincent or Coleman being ready to sign? Or the other Fins? 
| 
The vets are still unsigned, and no progress is seen.  The Dolphins contract
negiotiator has givin Vincent and Coleman their final offers and a deadline
to accept these contracts, otherwise the offers with start decreasing.  I 
think the deadline was this Friday.

Joe Sosa

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From: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys training camp [1. WR's]
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:59:23 GMT
Reply-To: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx

In article <1992Jul25.185331.104888@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI) writes:
|> I'll appreciate it if someone tells us how the wide receivers are doing in
|> camp:
|>     (1) Is Irvin still holding out?
|> 
           Yes, don't look for him until after the Japan Bowl (MHO).

|>     (2) I read in Sporting News that coach JJ is happy with Harper's progress.
|>     Does that mean he'll catch more than 20 balls for more than one TD?
|>
           Norv Turner feels he will be the 'boys leading receiver in 3-4 years.
        Has looked decent in camp.
 
|>     (3) Ace Wright... I read in Dallas Cowboys Weekly that he has a renewed
|>     confidence because he won the NFL fastest man contest (he ran 4.09). Is
|>     he going to mature as a wideout in this camp?
|>     Someone on the net suggested using Wright as a CB. I think it is a good
|>     idea because the Ace doesn't have to catch the ball.
|> 
             He had an outstanding practice against the Raiders on Thursday.
        He hauled in a 40 yarder from Beurlein and a 50 yarder from Aikman.
        Still doesn't run crisp routes, but his hands are better.  I heard 
        Auburn tried to put him at CB, and he failed miserably.  He was lost
        half the time and hit like a girl scout :) 

|>     (4) J Smith... A cowboy fan on the net (the cool ice) said that rooki J.
|>     Smith broke his tibia and will be out for 3-4 weeks. Any new reports?
|>
          That's the scoop.  But, you can tell he's really upset about in
       the news coverage.  He wants to play BADLY.
 
|>     (5) Kmart... is going to get more playing time.
|> 
            Only if Irvin has an extended holdout.

|>     (6) How about other prospects like CFL's Gerald Alpin?
|> 
             He's been looking good.  Guys like him may make Kmart expendable.
|> Thanks.... AAA.....
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From: wlittle@nmsu.edu (Wes)
Subject: Re: Request for Stat Program
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:28:48 GMT

In article <18420002@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM>, bwb00@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Brakke) writes:
> Hello all,
> 
> Hopefully this is a semi-correct place to post this! 
> 
> I've been asked by a friend to help him do stats for a local area High School
> football team.
> 
> My question to you:
>   Does anyone have a program or spreadsheet, or know of one which would help
> accomplish this feat???  Obviously it would need to be fairly flexible in
> terms of stats reported, i.e. I guess I'd like to see a setup which would
> report stats pretty much like you see for pro games.
> 
> If someone can think of a better group for this request, let me know!!!
> 
> As of this moment we'd be using a COMPAQ 386 notebook machine.
> 
> Thanks for your assistance!!
> Brian Brakke

Lotus 1-2-3 would probably do just fine.

Go Cowboys!!!!
Wes