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From: clamen@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: QUESTIONNAIRE: French-Language Education Francophone Hors-Quebec
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:56:26 GMT
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[English version follows -- SMC]

Les messages de M. Potter ont entraines une revue detaillee des
droits et conditions a l'education en anglais au Quebec.  J'ai
donc pense qu'il sera temps de faire une recapitulation de la
situation actuelle pour les francophones des neuf autres
provinces.

Les personnes capables de repondre a une ou plusieurs des
questions suivantes sont invites a me faire parvenir leurs
reponses, ou a repondre publiquement sur les "News". Je posterai
un resume des que suffisament d'informations auront ete
recueillis.


0) Combien y a t'il de francophones dans la province/le territoire?

1) Est-ce que la province supporte des ecoles publics francophones?
   (i.e. francais comme premiere langue)
   [Inclure la localisation, si disponible]

2) Est-ce que la population francophone considere ces services
   adequats? (Y a t'il eu des plaintes populaires)

3) Est-ce qu'il y a des programmes pour ameliorer la
   qualite/disponibilite pour ces ecoles?


Autre question:
---------------

A) Est-ce qu'il y a des ecoles d'immersion francais? Est-ce que
   ces ecoles sont populaires?

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--*--

Steven Potter has instigated a detailed review of English-language
education rights and conditions in Quebec, so I thought it was time
for a recap of the current situations for Francophones in the other
nine provinces (and two territories?).

People capable of answering any of the following for a particular
province are invited to repond to me, or to post a public reply.  I
will summarize and post the results when available.

Thanks.

-----

0)  How many francophones are there in the province/territory? 
    [Hitherto "province" means "province or territory"]

1)  Does the province support French-language (ie. French as a first
    language) public schools? 
    [Include general locations if available.]

2)  Does the local francophone population find these services
    adequate? (ie. have there been popular complaints?)

3)  Are there plans to improve the quality/availability of such
    schools? 


A related question:
-------------------

A)  Does the province provide French-immersion schools for interested
    non-francophones?  How popular are these schools?


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From: PLAWS@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU (Peter Laws)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: computers graphic when it comes...
Date: 28 Jul 1992 18:34:45 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

If people really *need* access to the alt.sex.* groups, they can find places to
telnet to in the List of Internet Services, which is posted occasionally in
alt.internet.services...

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n5uwy@ka5bml.ar.usa.na| look like the '50s"--D. Hopper  | plaws@uafsysb.bitnet
Anxiously watching from the States as my homeland disintegrates...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.general
From: wales@valeria.cs.ucla.edu (Rich Wales)
Subject: Re: The visas arrived today! (Rich Wales)
Reply-To: wales@CS.UCLA.EDU (Rich Wales)
Organization: UCLA CS Department, Los Angeles
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 00:54:12 GMT

Brad Hedstrom asked:

	Just out of curiosity, how long did it take from your
	initial application to getting your visa? 

About a year.

We mailed the pre-screening questionnaire in mid-July.  The "real"
application came in the mail about two weeks later, and we filed that
(together with the fee -- US$348 for a family of three) near the end of
August.

Our interview at the consulate was in mid-January.  We got the medical
forms in the mail a couple of days after that.

We had our medical exams in early June.  We waited this long so that the
"medical validity" period of the visas would extend through next June --
i.e., so we would have the option of waiting till next spring to com-
plete our move.  (The medical clearance part of the visa is good for an
initial entry no later than one year after the date of the exam.)

And, as I already indicated, the visas arrived yesterday.  So, all told,
it took us about a year.  If we had had our medical exams right away,
the whole process would presumably have taken about 8 months.

Further, I had already amassed just about all of the nit-picky info they
asked for on the application, so it only took me about three weeks to
fill it out.  If one were starting from scratch with no advance idea of
what info and supporting documents would be needed, it could easily take
a lot longer.

--
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3531 Boelter Hall // Los Angeles, CA 90024-1596 // +1 (310) 825-5683
From: jamie@cs.sfu.ca (Jamie Andrews)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Radio Program "As it Happens" Question (oops)
Keywords: 10,000 miles from Reading
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:38:40 GMT
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

I wrote:
>     I think you might be talking about Richard Gwyn, who did
>(among other things) the series "War" that was shown on PBS and
>BBC as well as CBC.

     And Paul Kern kindly wrote to me to tell me of my mistake.
The "As It Happens" guy is Richard Gwyn, but the "War" series
guy is Gwynne Dyer.  Paul very graciously adds:

>Actually, it's easy to confuse the two (for me anyway :-).
>Richard Gwyn is the international affairs columnist on The
>Toronto Star's OpEd page.  Gwynne Dyer also pops off an
>occasional column (usually about international military affairs)
>for the same page.
>
>They both seem to be media wags with sound-alike names :-).

     Sorry for the mistake.

--Jamie.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: vganesan@reed.edu (The Phoenix)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:39:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Jul23.173944.4859
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

In article <1992Jul23.005240.175878@ua1ix.ua.edu> ngopalas@ha15.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy) writes:
>|> 
>|> This whole discussion is flawed, because American colleges use financial
>|> status as the only criteria for financial aid, since most students from
>|> India have meagre assets(when converted into foreign currency) they tend
>|> to get huge grants. Sounds fair to me.
>|> 
>
>I do not mean to nitpick here, but that is exactly waht the forms do NOT say.
>If I remember correctly, they say the award of financial aid will NOT be
>need based but based only on merit. And merit does seem to be the only
>criterion they use in selecting  foreign students.


That is the case for graduate school, but for the under graduate
schools only need based financial aid is given. A casual perusal of 
any undergraduate college catalog would  confirm this fact.

Peace

The Phoenix



-- 
  The Greatest burden in the world is to have              The Phoenix
   a great potential.                                      Reed #252
                     Linus from "Peanuts"                  Reed College
                                                         Portland, OR-97202
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens)
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 02:50:45 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <25JUL199214370841@vax2.concordia.ca> debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE) writes:
>
>The point is that Arindam Ghosh is whining for nothing. The attitudes of U.S
>and Canada towards foreign countries coming from 3rd World countries are 
>entirely different. Canada gives a hard-time to foreign students, by making all
>students pay out of a RA or TA ship the full cost of tution. For example if a
>student is paid $10,000 per annum, then at Concordia U. (Montreal), he must pay
>$48,00 per annum if he is in the Ph.D program. Many schools charge interest of
>am minimum of 1% per month on the unpaid balance. There is a differential fee
>system in Canada. 


This is not specific to Canada.  I think you are comparing publically-
supported vs. private universities.

The situation in the UC (University of California) system is exactly
the same: grad students pay tuition *even if* they got a TA- or RAship.

There is also an additional non-resident tuition.  And if you depend
upon your TAship, it's pretty heavy (used to be about $7,000 a year
a couple of years ago, and it must have gone up since).

(The reason for all that is really politics: so that the folks don't
feel like their tax money goes to support foreign students.  And no,
university administrations usually don't like it...)

Luc B

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: macuser@milton.u.washington.edu (Hung Le)
Subject: Re: Linguistic Intolerance
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:10:22 GMT

Dg
You can manage better as an English person
in Quebec than if youre francophone outside
of Quebec....

You can manager better as an Enl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.indian
From: clamen@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,alt.california
Subject: Re: California bilinguals (was: Re: French/English status)
Date: 21 Jul 92 08:42:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Jul21.084204.12131
	<1992Jul21.070718.288641@cs.cmu.edu> <14gfkoINN8ag@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU


   In article <1992Jul21.070718.288641@cs.cmu.edu> clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU writes:
   >In article <_gdmk!l.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
   >
   >   In article <BrnqvH.17F@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis 
   >   Beauregard) writes:
   >
   >   There is a similar thing in the USA, where Spanish is often considered
   >   inferior to English as first language and to French as a second language.
   >   It's odd that a knowledge of French would be considered a mark of culture
   >   in the USA, but not in Canada.

   Well, if you don't *need* it, it must be cultural! :)

   I am now taking first semester university French.  (I know now just
   barely enough to giggle knowingly when I see people writing about
   "Quebec kitchen".  Someday I imagine knowing another verb tense.)

   >Which ties into my question: I believe that a plurality of Los
   >Angelenos are Hispanic.  What percentage of English-speaking Los
   >Angelenos speak Spanish?

				.
				.
	[history of California settlement deleted]
				.
				.

   The California and Quebec situations aren't really comparable.
   Although California *was* settled by Spanish speakers first (after the
   natives), California was still extremely sparsely populated by the time
   of the American conquest.  The California Gold Rush brought in many
   times the number of anglophones as there ever were Spanish-speakers
   (what's the appropriate word?  hispanophones?  wouldn't that include
   the Portuguese? I've known a few Portuguese-Californians).  The Latino
   population of California is almost entirely made up of the descendants
   of immigrants from Mexico or other Spanish-speaking areas.  This is in
   sharp contrast to Quebec, where the French speakers were there first
   (again, after the natives) and have always remained the majority, even
   when it wasn't the language of daily life in Montreal.

Actually, that is not the case for urban Quebec.  Metropolitan
Montreal was at least 50% anglophone at WWII, and is 20-30% anglophone
today.  I believe at Confederation (1867), Montreal was majority
anglophone (the Francophones being mostly rural at that time).


Anyhow, I wasn't comparing historical contexts.  I was just asking,
how many CURRENT anglophone Los Angeles residents speak Spanish?
--
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School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
Carnegie Mellon University		Phone: 	     +1 412 268 2145
5000 Forbes Avenue			Fax:	     +1 412 268 5739
Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890, USA
From: "stephanie fysh" <stephanie.fysh@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: canadian citizenship
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:32:31 EST
Reply-To: "stephanie fysh" <stephanie.fysh@canrem.com>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

JW>Reading this group has reminded me of a question I have had for a while:
JW>Am I eligible for Canadian Citizenship?
JW>My "story" goes like this:
JW>I was born in Hamilton, Ontario, in dec 1969, to British parents, thus I
JW>inherited their British citizenship. we moved back to the UK, to London,
JW>in 1971, and to New Zealand in 1973, where we have lived ever since. In
JW> 1990, I became a New Zealand citizen. I did not (nor are you required
JW>to) give up my UK citizen ship, so I am now both NZ ans UK cit.
JW>My question: Can I, by right of birthplace, become a Canadian Cit too?
JW>Could I retain my other citizenships?

You're in luck, Jim. . . you are and have always been a Canadian
citizen!  And you may retain all your other citizenships too.  Just
bring your birth certificate to your local Canadian Consulate or Embassy
and you can apply for a Citizenship Card or passport or whatever proof
of Canadian citizenship you want.

- Stephanie (dual Canadian/U.S. citizen)
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:5275 can.general:3457 ont.general:1200 tor.general:1004
From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.general,ont.general,tor.general
Subject: Ontario Regional East Timor Conference
Date: 27 Jul 92 02:40:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service


(forwarded from misc.activism.progressive)
 
/** reg.easttimor: 353.0 **/
** Topic: Ontario (Canada( ET conference **
** Written  5:55 pm  Jul 23, 1992 by web:etan in cdp:reg.easttimor **
Ontario Regional East Timor Conference

Saturday, August 1, 12 Noon-5 p.m.
519 Church Street Community Centre, Toronto

All supporters of East Timor are invited to attend an afternoon
meeting of East Timor Alert Network members and supporters in
Toronto on Saturday, August 1 at the 519 Church Street Community
Centre. The conference will be a forum to plan future activities, let
East Timor activists know the latest news from East Timor and whatUs
happening internationally, nationally, and locally, and to meet others
working in support of East Timor from across the province.

The 519 is located in downtown Toronto, on Church just north of
Wellesley. If coming by car, drive downtown via the QEW highway,
take the Jarvis Street exit, turn left at Wellesley, then take the first
right on to Church. The 519 is the big building with a rainbow
painted on the side. By public transit, go to Wellesley subway station,
then walk east a couple of blocks to Church, turn left and walk
another half block to the 519.

If you need a place to stay on Friday or Saturday night, let us
know and we can arrange a few billets.

If you need more information on anything, call David Webster at
(416) 539-9589, or Maggie Helwig or Mary Hutchinson at (416) 531-
6154. Hope to see you at the conference!


Proposed Agenda

12:00-12:30             Introductions, Go-around

12:30-1:00              Update on the current situation in East Timor
                (Ab Barreto Soares, CNRM representative to Canada)

1:00-1:30               Update on international actions
                        (Li-lien Gibbons, ETAN/Vancouver)

1:30-2:00               Update on national lobbying etc.
                        (Peter Monet, ETAN/Ottawa)

2:00-2:30               Updates on local activities (please come prepared to
inform others about what youUve been doing in your community)

2:30-3:00               BREAK

3:00-4:45               Campaigns discussion
                        (Proposed activities include a fall speaker/film tour
of southern Ontario universities; a civil disobedience action in Ottawa
on Nov. 12; university divestment campaigns; Bata Shoes boycott;
petition campaign for 200,000 signatures; open letter;  media
focus....)

We will also be arranging a group dinner/social for those able to stay
later.
** End of text from cdp:reg.easttimor **

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.indian
From: ram@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ram Devanathan)
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:58:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.191137.3381@cs.umn.edu> prabhak@cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>I bet that foreign students will not get as many assistantships
>if only sufficient number of Americans choose to compete with them
>for graduate admissions.
>Satya Prabhakar 

True! The following is from "The Ph.D. Shortage: The Federal Role" - A
Policy Statement of the Association of American Universities, Jan 11, 1990.

"In 1972, 83.2% of doctorates awarded by U.S universities went to U.S.
citizens, 8.6% went to foreign students with temporary visas, the 
remainder to foreign students with permanent visas. By 1987, the percentage
of doctorates earned by U.S. citizens had dropped to 70.8%, while the
percentage of doctorates earned by foreign students with temporary visas
increased to 17.3%.[1]
    The shift from U.S to foreign students has been especially pronounced
in the science and engineering fields. In the physical sciences, the 
percentage of doctorates earned by U.S. citizens dropped from 79.3% in
1972 to 61.4% in 1987; in engineering, the drop was from 66.5% to 41.8%.[2]"
1. National Research Council, Summary Report 1986
2. National Research Council, Summary Report 1987

Here's another interesting finding about the persistence of interest in 
natural science and engineering (NS&E)  among U.S high school students 
from high school through Ph.D. from 
Bassam Z. Shakhashiri,MRS Bulletin, Volume XVII, July 1992, pp 7-13

No. of High School Sophomores in 1977         ~ 4,000,000
Sophomores with NS&E interest          (1977) ~   750,000
High School Seniors with NS&E interest (1979) ~   590,000
College Freshmen with NS&E Intentions  (1980) ~   340,000
Baccalaureate Degrees in NS&E          (1984) ~   206,000
Graduate Students in NS&E              (1984) ~    61,000
Master's Degree in NS&E                (1986) ~    46,000
PhD Degree in NS&E                     (1992) ~     9,700
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Stephane Boucher)
Subject: TV Radio-Canada TV (was: Re: Language in the West of Canada)
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 23:03:55 GMT

>>>>> On Sun, 19 Jul 1992 16:02:50 GMT, sbuckley@fraser.sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley) said:

  > radio-canada stereo fm in vancouver is often my choice of music/whatever
  > several times during the week when all the other "good" stations play garbage.
  > their music and style is compelling--even to me with high school french.
  > i find i keep up with most of what they're saying and i'm always learning...

Speaking of Radio-Canada (TV), does anybody receives CBC and
Radio-Canada in Stereo? It's really annoying to watch a
concert in mono.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics,talk.politics.misc
From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Subject: Radio Program "As it Happens" Question
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 11:20:27 GMT


I've been listening to this show on NPR for about 2 years.  I didn't
listen for the month of june (forget, too busy, etc).  Before it was
alan and Michael, but now it seems like Alan and some guy with a strange
(British?) accent.  Is this permanent?  WHo is this guy?
-- 
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Pro-Choice/Pro-Clinton/Gore '92
From: irwin@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Irwin David)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Questionnaire
Keywords: Questionnaire-foreign-born-parents
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:12:10 GMT
Distribution: qc
Organization: Universite de Montreal


In order to complete a Ph.D. dissertation in the field of political science 
I must verify a certain number of propositions. To do so, I must gather data.
To gather data I must ask people to fill a questionnaire.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
If yourself or your parents were born in a country other than Canada you 
qualify as a respondent. 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
I you wish to receive  a copy of the questionnaire or further details, please 
send me a message.

P.S. Thank you to those who have already accepted to participate in the
study.

Regards.

David Henderson Irwin
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:5432 soc.culture.french:5364 can.general:3702 can.politics:5626
From: mcnichol@ERE.UMontreal.CA (McNichols Andre)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.french,can.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: Give me 10 reasons
Date: 31 Jul 92 11:54:17 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <735PoB3w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>
>  More like exclude there friends
>
>
>     Excuse me, but didn't the French Nationalists voted in droves for PC
>giving us the above.
>
>
>    Pardon, mais je peux parler francaids tres bien merci.
>
>
>Huh?? I believe this should Canada wants QC to stay.
>
>
>     And where did you learn geograpy?
>
>
>Seems to me you are saying, l'eteat c'est moi.  Takes about humour to stage
>warfare.
>
>Oh, BTW, I believe you said something about my comments on masstricht.  Care to
>follow it up after this posting.  Moi, je suis pret.  Salyut, comrade.
>
>

Meme son anglais est mauvais... C'est ca le Canada bilingue?


Andre McNichols
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada