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From: dragon@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Korth)
Subject: Re: A slight error?
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:26:22 GMT

In <AKHIL.92Nov17201440@stokes.ae.utexas.edu> akhil@stokes.ae.utexas.edu (Akhil Vidwans) writes:
>This has bugged me for some time now. In the
>LS duel in TESB, when Vader causes pieces of
>machinery to fly at Luke, one of the pieces
>misses its target and goes toward Vader
>instead who moves out of the way. Now, if
>he was controlling it with the Force, all
>he had to do was to deflect it away right?

Perhaps that was Luke, either deflecting one of the pieces with the Force,
or attempting to copy what Vader was doing.  
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From: pwg25888@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Patrick W. Grady)
Subject: Re: AT-AT's (Was: Re: Luke's lightsaber)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:15:03 GMT

flowerpt@coos.dartmouth.edu (Bill McGonigle) writes:

>In article <1992Nov18.145109.29975@cs.mun.ca> craig@odie.cs.mun.ca (Craig Coffin) writes:
>>Re: Armor on AT-AT's

>>>stuff deleted<<<

>I still think that the AT-AT's are protected by a field.  Why would one
>assume that the speeders flying around the AT-AT's and the X,Y,A-Wings,
>TIE-fighters, etc. have non-physical shielding, but that AT-AT's have
>only metal armor?  Doesn't make sense.

>When the AT-AT fell, the impact must have damaged the shield system so
>then the snowspeeder pilot, seeing this, went in and took 'em out.
>That would also explain why the shots from the snowspeeders didn't even
>nick the surface, which should happen if the armor is just physical and
>really thick.  The AT-AT's are so huge, they can be basically walking
>cannons and shields.  Quite an effective weapon, really, if you can
>generate enough power.

>-Bill

	Question.  Ever noticed in many SF books and movies that Flying
craft were protected by shielding of some sort, but land based vehicles
were just limited to the armor taht it carries.  Maybe the shields are
affected in some way by contact with the ground, or the type of shield
needed to be carried if that is the case dont fit in the space on board.
The shield generators in TESB for the rebel base do make it seem reasonable
that shields could be placed on ground vehicles though.  Who know the answe..
The ATAT's may have been shieldless because of budget constraints in
the construction contracts.  Remember, aircraft are expensive, the sheilds
may be there to protect the pilots, space is a harsh place, get all of the 
edge you can to survive.  There is no place to pull over and get out and
change the tires in space.

	Patrick
	---
	pwg25888@uiuc.edu
	Star Wars on the big screen. An experience to have again.
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
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Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 12:20:27 EST
From: Sylvie Coleno <ACPS0685@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Flint (was: Re: Zahn, Flint and LetterBox Info


>A new book by Ken Flint is to be introduced in December.  I believe the title
>is "Legends Reborn."  In any case, there was no association of Star Wars in
>the title.  Perhaps this book is not sanctioned by Lucas.  Can someone verify
>this?

Bad news:
Just saw this book, "Legends Reborn", today at "World's Biggest Bookstore"
in Toronto.  It is not a Star Wars book, I'm sorry to say.  It has just been
released (pub. date:  December 92), so it seems unlikely that Kenneth C.
Flint will be releasing another book in the near future.  The blurb on
the inside back cover did say that he was working on another book, but
didn't mention the name.  BTW, Kenneth C. Flint seems to be into Celtic
mythology or something along those lines.

I'm starting to suspect that the whole Kenneth C. Flint Star Wars book
may be just an ill-founded rumor.  But then again, I've been wrong
before.  No need to state (but I will anyhow) that any inside scoop
on this topic will be greatly welcomed!

---------------------- "FLY  CASUAL!" --------------------------------
Sylvie Coleno
Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Canada
ACPS0685@RyeVm.Ryerson.CA
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From: bowman@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (Carl Bowman)
Subject: Re: Zahn, Flint and LetterBox Info
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:38:08 GMT

-----------------------

I will admit that Pan and Scan is a ridiculous format to present as grand a
space opera as Star Wars, however you state that letterbox has more scenes
in it.  You then give examples that are not extra scenes at all.  A scene is,
for example the Biggs scene, or the scene where the Snow Monster (I forget
its name and DON'T want to be reminded by you trivia flamers!) drags Luke
to its den.  You are talking about the cropping of scenes, or action within
a scene.  Read a play to understand what a scene is! :-)  You will see that 
a scene is a part of the plot with a distinct beginning and end used to
advance the telling of the story.  The Stormtrooper bumping his head?...
business, Someone staring?...business.  

If you still insist that a scene is missing, give an example where the movie
has been shortened by the deletion of a piece of action, and that action
is not just a piece of busywork by an extra not integral to the scene.
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From: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Subject: Re:Penis prices (was: Topps Star Wars Cards (Was: Cute dinosaur scene cut from SW)
Originator: cmgeorg@c00091-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:10:48 GMT


In article <1992Nov19.105344.23525@reed.edu>, odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin) writes:
|>
|>  How much would the original "endowed" C-3PO card go for?  I used to have one,
|>  and might still.  (I was nine...  Like I knew anything about collectibles)
|>
|>  Thanks,

I've seen it listed for about $15.  Sounds OK when you consider the 
availability and the fact that the cards are only worth about $.25 each.  
Though If you have someone who wants it real bad....................

This is the ONLY card that is substantially more expensive than the rest.
Though I wouldn't think of getting the cards as an investment if I were you,
these things just seem to serve as a "neat" thing to have.

-chris

 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++                                                                           
 +      Chris Georgoulias                                                    +
 + North Carolina State University                                           +
 +     cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu                                                  +
 +                                                                           +
 + "Aah... who cares about school...who cares about life...who cares about   +
 +  me.  Not me, that's for sure!  Look!...(punches himself in the head)..   +
 +  ...I just don't care!"                                                   +
 +                                       -Vyvian,  The Young Ones            +                                             
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
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From: darkstar@pecan.cns.udel.edu (The Janitor Of Anarchy)
Subject: Re: Luke's lightsaber
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Summary: Blaster This...
Keywords: buy the sky, sell the sky, lift your arms up to the sky...
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence
Distribution: galaxy far, far away...
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:56:49 GMT


Well, I think that some of us aren't placing enough value on the Force.
I figure that the Force is very powerful, and that it must be almost
next to impossible to distract a real master.  And look at Luke, you 
can see his power increase from ESB to ROTJ.  Also, Luke never held a
blaster (let alone wear one in ROTJ).  But I have just two points to 
make.  1)  As for the skiff scene where Luke didn't see Boba Fett behind
him, well a blaster wouldn't do much good if you can't shoot what you
can't see.  2)  Vader didn't seem to be fazed too much (not at all to
be precise) by that blaster shot that Han took at him in Cloud City.


        --Jerry





-- 

Jerry Alexandratos            | "If you want to get a head,
darkstar@freezer.cns.udel.edu |  you got to get a hat!"
darkstar@bach.udel.edu        |    --"Skin Trade"
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From: bstdenis@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Brian St. Denis)
Subject: Script error?
Organization: Fort Worth Research and Development Center, Motorola, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:59:38 GMT
Keywords: lie

Is there a script error or do droids lie?  Remeber when Luke first
got 3PO and R2?  Luke wanted to hear about the rebellion and the Empire...

Luke:  "Looks like you guys have seen a lot of action?"
C3P0:  "There's not much to tell, and I'm not good at telling stories."


I think there is an error because in ROTJ, 3PO told stories to the Ewoks
where they seemed interested and amazed.  If I remember correctly, 3PO was
recanting, with audio, the MF in flight and DV's breathing.  It seems to me
that 3PO is an excellent story teller (if only he had video like R2 :-)  ).

So, have I pointed out a error, an FAQ, a droid lieing or a common
problem inherent to multi-part movies?


-Brian

"That's funny, the damage doesn't look so bad from out here." - C3PO, SW
From: mmccartn@cs.utexas.edu (Michael David McCartney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Lucas:  director vs. producer
Date: 17 Nov 1992 01:07:51 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1992Nov16.003311.10675@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> flowerpt@coos.dartmouth.edu (Bill McGonigle) writes:
>In article <Yf1IQka00iV1I1ucZT@andrew.cmu.edu> rr2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ryan E. Rasmussen) writes:
>>
>>Wars films.  Who does anyone think would serve as an adequate director
>>for the prequel trilogy? 
>
>Who wants to see Philip Noyce direct one of these?  I thought Patriot Games
>had the best direction of any movie I saw this year. 
> ...
>Of course I'd be happy with Robert Zemeckis as well.
>

I think that Francis Ford Coppola could do an excellent job.  He seems quite
flexible in his work and I don't think that he would force any unnecessary
style onto the saga.  Has anyone seen Dracula?  Compare that to Slip Stream
or It's a Wonderful Life or THX-1138.  I think he has quite a range.  I'm
not positive that he actually "directed" all these films but IMHO he'd make
a good director for displaying Lucas's vision.

cheers,
mike
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: X-Wing simulator
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:28:32 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1dv5svINNlhc@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> s925609@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (KSC - Firefox) writes:
>yjc@po.cwru.edu (Jerome Chan) writes:
>>In article <1dkg5lINNj0f@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU>,
>>s925609@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (KSC - Firefox) wrote:
>>> It's actually LucasArts Games.   It's got X-Wing, Y-Wing and A-Wing
>>> You work your way up to X-Wings, and have droids in Y and X wings
>>> to help you .... the first part is arcade I think, to get you to
>>> become profficient at it or something.  Really cool graphics it
>>> seems, and it was set out to beat Wing Commander is graphics and
>>> sound, will be a great competition between Origin and LAG.
>
>>Will there be a Macintosh version? Does anyone know?
>	Only IBM PCs for the mo, as far as I know.

Anyone know what the hardware requirements will be for the game?

-- 
Brian Perler			bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
"I wanna decide who lives and who dies"
	-Crow T. Robot, "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians," MST3K
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Super StarWars
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:19:53
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
	<1992Nov19.155216.1603@cm.cf.ac.uk> <1992Nov20.030128.13442@ncsu.edu>
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In-reply-to: jmsmith@eos.ncsu.edu's message of Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:01:28 GMT

>>>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:01:28 GMT, jmsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY MARTIN SMITH) said:

jmsmith> In article <1992Nov19.155216.1603@cm.cf.ac.uk> Simon.N.Smith@cm.cf.ac.uk (Simon N Smith) writes:
>
>Does anyone know if LucasFilm have some kind of exclusive contract
>with Nintendo?  The reason I ask is because I'm hoping the same game
>will appear for the Sega Megadrive - someone put me out of my
>misery!!

jmsmith> According to a recent magazine (I cant remember which...)
jmsmith> There is a list of upcoming games for the Sega CD and Super
jmsmith> Star Wars is on the list.

Super Star Wars is coming out for the Super Nintendo, not the Sega CD.
At least not yet....

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From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The Sith
Date: 19 Nov 1992 20:39:35 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
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In article <17078@umd5.umd.edu> fwilliam@lab7.smcm.edu (Frank Williams) writes:
>
>Can someone plese tell what the hell is "the sith"?
>
>Thanks

It's a catchy name that Lucas came up with to describe who (or what)
Vader was lord of (just saying 'lord' does not give a lot of credability).

As far as I know, that is the extent of its defintion.

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

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From: x91anderso33@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: RE: More Questions for StarWars fans
Date: 20 Nov 92 11:59:43 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

I must admit that this is a darn good question, and I'm a little surprised that
I never thought about it (although I am a little dense and it takes me awhile
to catch most things!).

After considering this question for all of 30 seconds (anything longer for me
would waste what precious little brain space I have!) I came to the conclusion
that even Leia wanted to remove the tracking device, Han was way too stubborn
to allow it, because he couldn't deal with the fact that she was right and he
was wrong.

Another less plausible theory is that it would take significantly longer to
switch ships and that time was of the essence. Maybe after seeing her home
planet pulverized, she wasn't thinking as clearly (although I doubt it) and
just wanted to rush to the Rebel base.

Just my humble two cents.

 - Karl Anderson, Western Michigan University



"Mos Eisley Spaceport. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and
villainy."  -  Obi-Wan Kenobi
"That's okay. I'm ready for anything."  -  Luke Skywalker

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From: jwalsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Jason Walsh  )
Subject: Re: Rumours of upcoming Star Wars films 
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:48:00 GMT





Does anyone else know anything else about this?  I turned on the show
about an hour into it, and all I saw was a bunch of scenes of animation
and special effects. Later on someone told me about the C3-P0 part
Did he actually say "this is for something we are working on"???
(please!please!)  I truly hope it wasn't some cruel joke by this ILM
employee.  Anymore info would be appreciated.

JASON WALSH
jwalsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
...You underestimate the power of the Dark Side...

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From: lennon@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Letterbox VHS info
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:49:14 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <92322.040956MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>, <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> writes:
> I held (ooh!) the box in my hand today at Sam Goody (couldn't do more than
> that for a lack of $99  :( ) and according to the thingie on the back of the
> box, the three movies are letterboxed and "the original theatrical releases"
> (whatever that means!)
> 
> They looked very very *very* nice, and the packaging was sweet, I can't wait
> till I next see $100...
> 
> Another random question (too lazy to make a new post): when is DFR coming out
> in paperback?
> 
> Slainte mhath,
> 
> Mike
> ---
>                      Mike Weintraub (aka Jvi on IRC)
>                            mweintr@american.edu
>                  The American University, Washington, DC
>         "Courageous convictions will drag the dream into existence"

I bought the set - its better than sex. Well, almost.
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Subject: Re: Lucas:  director vs. producer
From: ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:40:41 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Nov16.003311.10675@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, flowerpt@coos.dartmouth.edu (Bill McGonigle) writes:
> In article <Yf1IQka00iV1I1ucZT@andrew.cmu.edu> rr2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ryan E. Rasmussen) writes:
>>
>>Wars films.  Who does anyone think would serve as an adequate director
>>for the prequel trilogy? 
> 
> Who wants to see Philip Noyce direct one of these?  I thought Patriot Games
> had the best direction of any movie I saw this year. 
..
> If the script could be written by whoever did TESB, then we'd really
> have something riveting. 

First draft ESB script: Leigh Brackett, now deceased
Final draft ESB script: Lawrence Kasdan -- hey- HE could direct!!

> 
> Of course I'd be happy with Robert Zemeckis as well.

No no no no no no!  "Who Framed Obi-Wan Kenobi"?!?  Please.  Zemeckis is good
at what he does, but I don't think that what he does is good for SW.

I would like to see Peter Weir (WITNESS, DEAD POETS),
                    Renny Harlin (DIE HARD 2),
                    or the return of Irvin Kershner!!
		    How 'bout Frank Oz?
		    Heck -- I'd rather see Danny DiVito than Zemeckis!!!

Just my $.02

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From: rku45136@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rajiv Udani)
Subject: star wars tv shws
Summary: sw
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:00:32 GMT
Keywords: sw


There's been some postings lately about the Wookie TV show from 1979. 
I also remember another Star Wars Tv appearance:it was when 3PO and R2-D2
were on Sesame Street. I'm pretty sure they were guest stars. 
Also, asn't Mark Hamil on the Muppet Show ? (or maybe it was another SW actor)
Has anyone compiled a list of all the Star Wars-related tv show appearances?

Have the Ewok/Droids cartoons been released on video in the US? In the new
Star Wars collectables book, it shows a cardboard display which was used to 
promote the release of the Ewok/Droids cartoons in GERMANY, so I'm not
sure if they've been released in the U.S.


rajiv
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:55:21 -0500 
From: Robert Alan Danforth <rd2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Topps Star Wars Cards (Was: Cute dinosaur scene cut from SW)

 
>An interesting card to look for I hear (I've seen it, but I don't 
>own it myself) is card #207 (I think) of the fourth series which has
>a picture of C3PO.  One version of the card has a metal (?) projection
>just behind C3PO in just a way that it looks like C3PO has a penis!  I
>believe this was 'painted' out of the card, so another version exists
>without this.  Does anybody know if this shot was from the movie and if
>the card with the projection or without the projection is the 
>original shot?

i have both versions of this card.  according to a price guide i have, the
"obscene" version goes for about $15.  On the obscene version, the metal
projection is airbrushed in (so i doubt it's in the movie.)  On the "corrected"
version, they only shortened it, but it's still there.  if you have card 207,
look carefully at the region in question.  it's still there, but they toned it
down so that it's hard to notice.  on the uncorrected version, you can't miss
it.  it's at least a foot long.

>again.  Does anybody know where they can be bought in the packs still?
>What is the price that they go for in the packs?  I know what the price

series one $10, two $5, three - five $3.  Pick up a non-sports magazine and
call around.  they're hard to find, but if you're persistent you should be
able to get some.

>Finally, just to start a thread, if you have made it this far in the
>post, how about writing what your favorite card is and why.  To
>start it off, I like the picture in the fifth series (cannot
>remember the card number), which shows a group of stormtroopers on the
>Death Star and the lead one being blasted by Solo!  A nifty 
>scene if you ask me.

mine's also from the fifth series.  card #321 "Geoge Lucas directs his 
counterpart "luke.""  As far as i can tell, it's the only card with both
george lucas and luke skywalker on it.  (actually, i think they're both on
card 309 as well, but it's not as clear.)

- rob danforth
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Subject: More questions for StarWars fans
From: petra@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:44:35 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

Another question for all you StarWars fans...

Immediately after the Falcon's escape from the Death Star in ANH, Leia says
that they are being tracked.  If she knows this, why didn't they head for some
remote location, transfer to a different ship, and then go to Yavin(aside from
ruining the end of the movie).  There are several reasons for doing things in
this manner.  The Death Star doesn't threaten to wipe out the Rebellion, Han
never finds out where the Rebel base is, which is good considering that it is
known that he has no intention of joining the Rebellion, and, if the Rebels had
wanted to be nasty, they could have found the tracking device, put it on an old
ship, sent it into hyperspace and sent the Imperials on a wild goose chase to
the other side of the galaxy.

All opinions welcome, all flames ignored.

-Donavan
"If I promise to miss you, will you go away?"
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