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From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: Heartbeat and VAXen
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:33:54 GMT

In article <01GORVQ5E17894FKBC@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu>, ELLISWR@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU (Raney Ellis) writes...
>Here's the situation.  We have two VAX 6000-4xx clustered.  They are
>connected to two Ethernet segments via bridged DELNIs.  Each DELNI is
>connected to an Ethernet segment with a H4005, with heartbeat ON.  The
>Ethernet controllers on both VAXen are 802.3 compliant. 

>Here's the problem/issue.  Should the heartbeat on the H4005s be enabled?
>If it is, we appear to get lots of collisions showing up on the bridge, and

What else is connected to the DELNIs?  If you have any DEMPRs or similar
devices the heartbeat of the H4005s must be OFF.  Else it should (not must) be
on. Are the DEMPRs set to global mode?

-Mike
From: dragon@NSCVAX.PRINCETON.EDU (Mighty Firebreather)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Anybody have UCX 2.0 yet?
Date: 5 Sep 92 19:45:57 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


	Joseph B. Gurman <gurman@umbra.gsfc.nasa.gov> writes:
>
>klein@saturn.glassboro.edu writes:
>
>>In article <gurman.715535854@umbra.gsfc.nasa.gov> gurman@umbra.gsfc.nasa.gov (Joseph B. Gurman) writes:
>>>    Does anybody have the savesets yet who's willing to put them on an
>>>anonymous ftp site? I'd really like to have people be able to send mail
>>>to me over the Internet without routing it through the Ultrix
>>>machine....
>
>>Wouldn't that be a bit illegal?
>
>    I don't know, would it?

	Yes.

>My NAS-250 license gives me the right to run
>UCX (and most DEC s/w won't run without a license, of course), and my
>less-than-one-year-old VS4000 came with a right-to-copy updates software
>warranty. Is my right to copy limited to software from my own site?
>

	Yes.  Right to copy requires that you purchase a minimum of one 
copy of the media.

>    Actually, UCX is a special case, since there are some parts of it that
>can be installed and run without a license.

	You still have to buy the media (and doc if you need it).


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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: VMS Accounting Question...
From: mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt)
Date: 6 Sep 92 20:52:38 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: Wellington, New Zealand

In article <01GOCLL0OFPE0005ED@RCKHRST1.BITNET>, SRDANIELS@RCKHRST1.BITNET ("SCOTT R. DANIELS") writes:
> Is there a way to have ACCOUNTING use a file other than ACCOUNTNG.DAT when
> genreating reports for output ?  Are accounting files are closed and renamed
> at the end of every month, and we would like to get some data from an older
> file that is not called ACCOUNTNG.DAT.  Thanks in advance...

Easy, just put the name of the file as the paramater to the accounting 
command, as in ACC ACC.OLD
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From: rankin@EQL.CALTECH.EDU (Pat Rankin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: GNU CC probs with VMS 5.5
Date: 12 Sep 92 02:32:58 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

> I am having some difficulties installing GNU C for VMS (GCC-VMS-1.40d).
> My configuration is comprised of a MicroVAX 3100 running VMS 5.5.  Has
> anyone else out there been able to get this running under 5.5?

      Running it under V5.5 is the same as running it under any other
version of VMS.  It works.  There are several bugs here and there, but
nothing this fundamental.

> My installation steps were as follows:
> 1)  FTP gcc-vms-1.40d.tar.Z from prep.mit.edu.

     Be sure to transfer in binary mode.

> 2)  Download to local Mac.
> 3)  Uncompress and extract from tar using mac tools.
> 4)  Copy directory hierarchy onto the VAX.

     Your problem is almost certainly traceable to one of these 3 steps.
If you unpack it on your VMS system, you shouldn't encounter any trouble.

> 4)  Define GNU_CC and GNU_CC_INCLUDE logicals using ASSIGN/SUPER/SYS.
> 5)  Install the GCC command using SET COMMAND.
> 6)  Run GCC with test file.
>
> The current problems:
> 1)  When running GCC, a number of images are loaded.  In particular, GCC
> wants SYS$LIBRARY:SMGSHR_00.EXE, MTHRTL_00.EXE, LIBRTL_00.EXE, FORRTL_00.EXE.

     Looks like the executable(s) got corrupted (those Macintosh steps...).
GCC.EXE is just a front-end which parses the command line using DCL
callbacks, then invokes GCC.COM; it isn't directly part of the compiler
at all.  That command procedure then executes the various pieces of the
compiler.

> Are these the right files, or am I missing some images with _00 suffixes?

     Neither.  What does ANALYZE/IMAGE show you?  The shareable image list
comes out near the very end.

> 2)  When running the gcc_install script, the GCC precompiler is called to
> get the current version level.  This call fails with the following error:
>
> %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image GNU_CC:[000000]GCC-CPP
> -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file SBS$DKB0:[COMMON.GCCDIST.GCC.][000000]GCC-CPP.EXE;1
> -SYSTEM-F-VA_IN_USE, virtual address already in use
>
> The last error is not documented in my copy of the System Messages docs.
> It is new with V 5.5?  What does it mean?

     It's not new, and I think that there's an article available from DEC's
DSIN and/or DSNlink about it which suggests that having too many process
logical names defined can cause this.  We've seen it here--prior to V5.5;
only one or two users, who really did define many more logical names than
anyone else--and usually a second attempt at executing the same command
would succeed.  It's certainly not specific to GCC (the most common culprit
here was the SHOW utility).  I don't remember whether using SYSGEN to
increase CTLPAGES makes any difference though.

		Pat Rankin, rankin@eql.caltech.edu
From: tillman@swdev.si.com ("Brian Tillman, Smiths Industries, VAX Support, x8425")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: RECALL/OUTPUT=filename (supplement)
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:20:11 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Brian Downing (bdowning@mary.fordham.edu) writes:

>    Try $ DEFINE/EXECUTIVE SYS$OUTPUT filename
>        $ RECALL/ALL
>        $ DEASSIGN SYS$OUTPUT
>
>That works for me. $ SHOW LOGICAL/PROCESS SYS$OUTPUT
>shows that SYS$OUTPUT is defined for both supervisory and executive modes.

This only works for you because you have SYSNAM privilege, perhaps.  
DEFINE/EXECUTIVE_MODE is allowed only if you have SYSNAM.  It is converted to 
/SUPERVISOR_MODE if you do not have SYSNAM.

I just tried the original suggestion.  Here's the results:

$ define sys$output test.dat
$ recall/all
$ deassign sys$output
$ type test.dat
 1 def sys$output test.dat
 2 sho log/ful sys$output
 3 hel def
$

I did this with absolutely no privileges other than TMPMBX and NETMBX.  With VMS 
V5.5, it works as described, as I have demonstrated, at least to myself.

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From: stangen@RHEA.INFORMATIK.UNI-BONN.DE (Gregor von Stangen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: UCX V2.0
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:50:01 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Here's another - from my point of view - more important question concerning
UCX V2.0. It has nothing to do with licenses and right to copy or not. It's
simply a question concerning the FTP server provided with UCX:

	- When one FTP'ed to a VAX running UCX < V2.0 from a UNIX host and
	  typed "DIR" the user saw a bug - or feature ? - or just stupidy ?
	  and didn't only get a full VMS directory listing but also annoyed.
	  Is this still implemented or is it "corrected" now ???

	- Am I now able to setup an anonymous FTP server with UCX V2.0 ??

Thanks

  Gregor

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From: oberman@rogue.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Long lines and DCL line editing
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:12:25 GMT

A simple teechnique which can help (depending on your terminal) is to SET
TER/WID=132 or more. Then recal the command you wish to edit. On my workstation
I have set the line to 160 characters which gets two "normal" lines onto a
single line for editing.

It does not matter that the line was originally entered on an 80 character
line. When the terminal driver recalls the line, it wraps it at the current
width, not the original (which it doesn't know, anyway).

R. Kevin Oberman			Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Internet: koberman@llnl.gov		(510) 422-6955

Disclaimer: Don't take this too seriously. I just like to improve my typing
and probably don't really know anything useful about anything.
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: zbang@access.digex.com (Carl P. Zwanzig)
Subject: Re: How many VUPS to 1 MIPS or how many MIPS to 1 VUP.
Keywords: hogwash
Organization: The Midnite Group
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:55:17 GMT

Basically, it comes down to:
  (M)is-applied
  (I)nformation
  (P)rovided by
  (S)ales{woman/man/other}

While it just might have been useful 15 years ago, and I have my doubts
about that, these days the measurement "MIPS" is meaningless.  VUP's is
somewhat useful, since it is limited to the VAX family of CPU's.  Let's 
try to get everyone to use {Whetstones/Dhrystones/Specmarks}.  And, while
we're at it, let's downplay those nasty little transactions per second numbers 
that get bandied about by vendors with no background information about 
the way that they got those numbers.

Your Mileage May Vary

Carl Zwanzig
zbang@access.digex.com




Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: Known Image confusion
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 22:27:33 GMT

In article <716@mtinews.mti.com>, adrian@mti.mti.com (Adrian McCarthy) writes:
>Here's a puzzler.  Anybody ever seen F$FILE_ATTRIBUTE and INSTALL this
>confused?
>
>$ SET PROCESS/PRIVILEGE=ALL
>$ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$FILE_ATTRIBUTE("DISK:[DIR]MYFILE.EXE","KNOWN")
>%SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file
>\DISK:[DIR]MYFILE.EXE\
>$ DIRECTORY DISK:[DIR]MYFILE.EXE
>
>Directory DISK:[DIR]
>
>MYFILE.EXE;1
>
>
>Total of 1 file.
>$ INSTALL LIST/FULL DISK:[DIR]MYFILE.EXE
>
>
>DISK:<DIR>.EXE
>   MYFILE
>%INSTALL-E-NOVER, no file version obtained for    MYFILE
>%SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file
>
>        Entry access count         = 1
>
>$ INSTALL ADD DISK:[DIR]MYFILE.EXE/OPEN/HEADER/SHARE
>%INSTALL-E-FAIL, failed to CREATE entry for DISK:<DIR>MYFILE.EXE
>-INSTALL-E-EXISTS, Known File Entry for a version of this file already exists

All of this is consistent with a situation where the file you originally
installed is no longer around. For example, if you installed MYFILE.EXE;14,
then re-linked MYFILE.OBJ to create MYFILE.EXE;15, then deleted
MYFILE.EXE;14, you would observe the exact behavior described above.

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Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     That makes me look this way
Sunnyvale, CA                      \\    It ain't the years, boys,
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From: havemann_l@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Need info on Fujitsu M2351 Drive ...
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:17:22 GMT
Organization: Lee Havemann, HSH Associates

In article <1992Sep8.101321.1@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu>, syswtr@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu writes:
> In article <9209031544.AA05007@slc10.INS.CWRU.Edu>, am728@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Randy L. Betke) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> Sorry if this is not appropriate for this list, but could anyone tell
>> me anything about a Fujitsu M2351 disk drive.  I need to know the capacity,
>> form factor, interface, and power consumption.  If anyone has the phone
>> number for them, that'd be ok too.  The number I have is not correct.
>> Again, sorry if this isn't the right spot for this question, and thanks
>> for any help.
>> 
>  Capacity around 750,000 blocks
>  Form factor 14" 
>  INTERFACE SMD
>  Power Consumption 'lots' 
> 
>  (Had one running since '81 without problems...)
> 
> Willy 

Actually, it is a 474 Mb (unformatted), 1.859 megabytes per second transfer
rate, 18 milliseconds access time with a 7.58 milliseconds average latency 
time. 
Power consumption of 0.70 KVA.
Dual channel option
Modified SMD interface
3,961 RPM
842  cylinders, 20 +1 (servo) head, 6 disks (10.5").

Good Drive.


-- 

 Lee Havemann, Sys_op    HSH Associates          (201) 838-3330 
 Havemann_l@spcvxa.spc.edu      -      Havemann_l@spcvxa.bitnet
 "Any opinions expressed are not necessarily those of anyone else, 
  including myself."
From: goathunter@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: ZIP 1.9 Patch 1 won't zip for me.
Date: 14 Sep 92 06:41:45 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <01GOQTJDPNQQ00008V@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU>, DAN@OJC.Colorado.EDU (Kornphuzed Kid!!) writes:
> Hello Vaxers,
> 
> 	I have ZIP 1.9 with Patch 1 and when I try to zip something it wont. 
> Included is what I did:
> 
>        --------------------  Start included text  --------------------
> OBI WAN=> zip -Vw9jc *.*;* -x *.bck*
> 
>      Error:  zipfile is in variable-length record format.  Please
>      run "bilf b DMDBCK$DUA2:[DAN.COM]ACCTNG.COM;1" to convert the zipfile to fi
> xed-length
>      record format.  (Bilf.exe, bilf.c and make_bilf.com are included
>      in the VMS UnZip distribution.)
> 
> zip error: Zip file structure invalid (DMDBCK$DUA2:[DAN.COM]ACCTNG.COM;1)
> OBI WAN=>
>         --------------------  End included text  --------------------
> 
> I looked in the UnZip distribution I have and I couldn't find any reference to
> BILF at all.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.....
> 
The problem is that you didn't tell it the name of the Zip file!!

The format is:

	$ zip "-Vw9jc" ZIP-FILE *.*;* -x *.bck*

Also, the quotes are necessary around the options (or at least around
"-V") because C converts everything to lower case when reading it in.

Hunter
------
Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University
goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET, 502-745-5251
From: RING@JUNCOL.JUNIATA.EDU ("John Charles Ring, Jr.")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Modem connections through a DECserver700.
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:12:21 GMT
Organization: The Internet



	We recently set our modems up on a DS700, but the only thing is that
we have audits enabled for logins via modems, but the auditor seems to not
recognize the fact that the connecting lat port is a modem!  Is there any
way to set the ports on the DS700 so that they signal a modem connection
so security alarms will occur again?

(We don't have any manuals for the DECservers, I can't read the manual!)

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From: chiam@VULCAN.CBA.OHIOU.EDU (Ta Fuh Chiam)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Anybody have UCX 2.0 yet?
Date: 8 Sep 92 02:28:22 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

>    May the lawyers and lawyerwannabes on the net flame me if I'm wrong,
>but it's the unlicensed COPIERS of licensed software that would be
>liable. If the DEC software were posted with READMEs that only licensed
>users could copy and use it, the archiver is (legally at least) absolved

Nop. Your license provides you the rights to use the software obtained from a
legal/legitimate source, namely purchase it, not copy it from anywhere you want.

>of wrongdoing --- what happens on a LAN with an InfoServer with the
>consolidated software mounted? Since only a licensed user can use the

Well, if your organization purchase the CONDIST, it is legitimate and you can
therefore use it.

============================================================================
Ta Fuh Chiam
Ohio University, College of Business Administration / Phone: (614)593-2088
Management Information Systems                        FAX:   (614)593-0319
Copeland Hall 22                   INTERNET : chiam@vulcan.cba.ohiou.edu
Athens, Ohio 45701, U.S.A.            or    : chiam@ouvaxa.ucls.ohiou.edu 
                                   BITNET   : CHIAM@OUACCVMB
                          Use my first Internet address if at all possible.
Disclaimer: What I have said are my opinions, not of anyone else.
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From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: LSE font on SONY Trinitron, how change?
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:50:19 PDT
Organization: Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego, CA

In article <1992Sep14.133929.16963@bmw.mayo.edu>, fisk@cvdv73.mayo.edu (Tom Fisk) writes:
> Ooops...just looked at my previous post... the symbol should be set to 75 not
> 100 (i.e. $ decw$server_density == 75).  Sorry!  

And the file name is sys$common:[sysmgr]decw$private_server_SETUP.com .
(you had _startup.com)

But anyway, yes, this is the way to go.  It makes EVERYTHING get smaller. You
can then get 4 24x80 DECterms (using the "little" font, two using condensed,
two using normal font) on the 1280x1024 screen with NO overlap - room to spare,
actually. 

otoh some people actually seem to LIKE the huge fonts that you get by default
on a 100 dpi display.  No accounting for taste, I guess. 

	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
uucp 'g' protocol guru and release coordinator, VMSnet (DECUS uucp) W.G., and 
Chair, VMS Programming and Internals Working Group, U.S. DECUS VAX Systems SIG 
Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or jeh@crash.cts.com
Uucp:  ...{crash,eisner,uunet}!cmkrnl!jeh
From: SYSMGR@IPG.PH.KCL.AC.UK
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Wren drives + VS 4000/60 problems: the answer.
Date: 7 Sep 92 11:26:09 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Following a lot of very helpful feedback from the network, and a week-end
spent configuring various combinations of drives and thrashing them with
ANALYZE/DISK/READ, I think I have now got to the bottom of our problems.

The bottom line is that VERY OLD WREN DRIVES made by CDC are incompatible
with the SCSI on 4000/60's (and presumably other VAX 4000). Of the drives
we have,

94181-702 serial # 0202 5775 (lot 8908), and one earlier, do not work.
94181-702 serial # 0202 9764 (lot 8917), and two later, DO work.

The nature of the fault is that approximately one in a thousand IO operations
causes some kind of SCSI bus hang. This is reported to the user's program
as 'fatal controller error'. Confusingly, it also causes a similar error
on any other drive that had an IO in progress at the time.

Cabling, power supply and termination problems have been eliminated by
moving one of the failing drives into a different enclosure and connecting
with another cable. The fault stayed with the drive.

Apart from this, various respondents noted that the VAX 4000s were much more
sensitive to SCSI cabling and termination faults than 3100s were. During the
above testing, I deliberately over-extended the SCSI cabling to 5 metres
(DEC's maximum is 4). Our new Wren-9 started logging occasional parity
errors. On 3 metres of cable, it completed 250,000 IOs with zero errors
(about half of which were while a 'good' 94181-702 was also being thrashed,
also zero errors). Wren-7's and an RZ23 also worked fine. Our earliest
Wren-7 has a Seagate sticker, but an Imprimis part-number written on the
media.

So, if you are planning on moving old disks onto a 4000, check just how
old! Once again, thanks to those who responded to my help requests. And
by the way, a 4000/60 with a Wren-9 really moves!

		Nigel Arnot

		NRA%ipg.ph.kcl.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk   (internet)
		NRA%uk.ac.kcl.ph.ipg@ukacrl.bitnet        (bitnet)

PS the UK info-vax redistribution is 'off the air' this week, so if you
respond to this please cc directly to myself.

PPS "Looking for Lantronix" escaped without my .SIG, despite which I have
had several helpful replies. Now to find out why I can't FTP them from here ...

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Subject: Re: How many VUPS to 1 MIPS or how many MIPS to 1 VUP.
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:29:10 GMT


In article <Bu2K3r.Lsr@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, mdchaney@fractal.ucs.indiana.edu (M Darrin Chaney) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.111756.14@bra.isnet.inmos.co.uk> tscarpenter@bra.isnet.inmos.co.uk writes:
>>OK a easy question for all you Vax gurus,
>>
>>I know what VUP stands for but what does it equate to.
>>
>>For instance what is one VUP equivelent to in MIPS.
>
>Here's your question worded slightly differently:
>  What is one apple equivalent to in oranges?
>
>VUP = unit of processing power
>MIPS = unit of instruction throughput

And how are the two distinct?  They are, but try to seperate them.

>
>In the VAX line of computers, 1 VUP is roughly equivalent to 1/2 MIPS.

Where did you get that crap from?  The VUP was developed by DEC to avoid direct
MIPS to MIPS comparisons.  But, ironically, the VAX 11/780, on which the VUP is
based, is about a 1 MIP machine!!

>Outside the VAX line (on a RISC machine, for instance), the correlation
>can only be done on a architecture by architecture basis.

A VUP is, esentially, bullshit outside of the VAX line.  I like SPECmarks
because they give a good, architecture independent rating.  I can play the MIPS
game with a high speed, low performance architecture.
>
>	Darrin
>-- 
>
>mdchaney@iubacs mdchaney@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu mdchaney@rose.ucs.indiana.edu
>
>"It's a marvel of vegetable containment..."
>
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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: bjohnson@alder.decnet.lockheed.com (Brian Johnson)
Subject: Re: System disk shadowing
Reply-To: bjohnson@alder.decnet.lockheed.com (Brian Johnson)
Organization: o/48-10, Ext. 63269, B. Johnson
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 19:49:17 GMT





Brian Johnson, o/4810, B195A, 408-756-3269

For purposes of doing a standalone backup of your shadowed system disk
we've found the simplist method is to NOT boot standalone. Just break the
shadow set & perform the backup on the member that you've removed from the set.