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From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills were LUCKY!!!!!!
Date: 5 Jan 93 03:00:24 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <C0BDxo.96J@acsu.buffalo.edu> carrato@acsu.buffalo.edu (Michael Carrato) writes:
>krishna@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Krishna R Akkina) writes:
>
>>Givins.  I think all this just led to the Bills being LUCKY!!!!  Go ahead and 
>>respond anyone.  I would like to see how you can deny they weren't lucky.
>
>They were lucky. Very lucky. They basically had to have everything
>go their way, and everything DID go their way.
>
>But from another perspective you could say they were unlucky to be playing
>without 4 starters, 3 of them pro-bowlers, including their entire starting
>offensive backfield.
>
>Bad calls happen in nearly every game. Even with instant replay you can't
>avoid bad calls, so teams have to deal with it. I'm thrilled they went
>the Bills way on this day, but next week it may be different and I'll
>be whining about how we got screwed! :-)

Let's not forget the bad call against Bruce Smith for a legitimate tackle
of Warren Moon. The non-call against Beebe was just bad officiating (as has
been the case in SO many games this year), but when Darryl Talley made
contact with Givins, I think it might have been within five yards of the
line of scrimmage, making it a legal and heads up play on Talley's part.

>
>>A Disgruntled Oilers fan and an Ecstatic Eagles fan.
>
>Well, at least ONE of the comebacks went your way today!
>
>
>Mike C.
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From: jab55062@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The World Reknown Jason Boskey)
Subject: I HAVE EXTENDED IT ONE EXTRA WEEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 09:29:51 GMT

OK folks, to go along with years past, I've allowed 4 teams to drop from my 
pool and let people still bet on the remaining 8.  Please, if you are
interested in the pool, making a little money, showing your supreme knowledge of
football handicapping, or just like to gamble, E-mail me for information.  I 
still need more of a handle to make the pool fly, so c'mon out and show what you
know.

Here are the odds as of 1/4/93.


Team                Odds        
San Francisco       4-5
Dallas              5-1 
San Diego           5-1
Philadelphia        8-1
Buffalo            18-1
Miami              37-1
Washington         37-1
Pittsburgh         37-1


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From: Kall@Mayo.EDU
Subject: FEDKIW: Was Re: Bills suck !
Reply-To: Kall@Mayo.EDU
Organization: Mayo Foundation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 15:48:54 GMT

In article 3147@math.ucla.edu, rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw) writes:
>Well last week my prediction was that the Bills players didn't care and
>it would be Houton: 98 ; Buffalo: 0. But, the players percieved that 
>the fans knew their of their lack of interest since the game was blacked
>out, etc.
>So, knowing that they were playing for their next paycheck, they put on
>one hell of a show. Now, that they have rekindled support, they figure
>that it would be nice to spend Monday in Hawaii on vacation.
>The Bills don't even want to show up Saturday. Most are faking injuries.
>Prediction: Steelers 10
>            Bills: 0
>(I would write in 98 points for the Steelers, but they suck too. I figure 
>that 10-0 is the closest they'll evere come to a blowout.)
>
>--
>Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@joshua.math.ucla.edu)
>
>The meek shall inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the stars.


Are you the definition of an IDIOT or what??????


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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: Re: Bills 24, Steelers 3
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:38:47 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
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For the second week in a row the moment of silent prayer wins.



Add to the prayer a very business like Bills team and you have A WIN!!!!


The Bills cut out all the gimick and razzle dazzle ( except once) and played
a great game. What impressed me today was how they they executed, not a lot
of bigs plays just 3, 8 10 yards at a time.

I feel Kelly made an ass of himself in the post game interview, better yet
why did the network even interview him?  Reich deserved the limelight not
kelly!
Well I hope they get to play Miami neat week, that will be a very good game



Buffalo 34

Miami   18

Marino gets intercepted 4 times.

New Batteries in the crystal ball 
Kevin
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From: macole@wam.umd.edu (The Dude)
Subject: Re: A Super Bowl Fantasye
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:27:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.215114.21655@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> wcd2z@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (William Camden Daniel) writes:
>Actually it would be more exciting to see the Steelers and the
>Cowboys.  Back to the vintage days!!!!!

Yes!!!!  It would be nice...I have a bone to pick with some of my school chums
from elementary school who ragged on me about the 2 losses to Pittsburgh.

whoops, excuse me...I must interrupt this nostalgic story for the hourly
Eagles/Dallas bashing...

This Eagles/Dallas Bashing Minute is brought to you by Wheaties -- the 
breakfast of Division Champions. 

"Who will win between the Cowboys and the Eagles??"

Well so far, the Eagles fans are winning the "Lets dig up some meaningless
stuff that no one gives a shit about" battle...but hold on...some CowPokes
are catching up fast.  

"Will Jim McMahon go to Minnesota?"

Who cares!  Back to the bashing!!!!

"Will Andre Waters ever graduate from the Jack Tatum School of Cheap Shots?"

Yes!  As soon as he learns that spearing can cause severe head injuries to
the spearer.

"Who will win between the Cowboys and the Eagles??"
(redundant...I know...but so are most of the articles in this group)

The Cowboys...why?
Because I'm a Cowboys fan...I'm not Jimmy the Greek, I'm not a prophet, and
I'm definitely not caught in a seasonal time-warp...trapped between two games
of a season that is OVER!

"Will Jimmy Johnson reveal his hair-care secrets?"

Mousse, I think...But I still don't know how it can stay so still when he's
storming up and down the sidelines..

"Will Emmitt move out of his parents' house?"

Why????  He bought it!

Damn...what was this in response to?

Mario
"Damn Redskin Bandwagon is sputtering up and down the block...they need to 
shoot it...or Rypien."




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From: spork@camelot.bradley.edu (Richard Izzo)
Subject: Re: Chiefs QB
Keywords: QB
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:36:31 GMT

In <1993Jan12.131608@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:

>The Seattle fans forecasted the season when we got Krieg.   I don't
>know if Krieg was the problem.   It looked more like the offensive
>line.  When your RBs can't run, you blame the line.  The offensive
>coordinators had to go, and they did.
>I think KC needs to work with Vlassic and Blundin.  These are their
>two QBs of the future.

I doubt if Vlasic will be in the league long, let alone the Chiefs QB
of the future.  He's almost as consistent as Krieg is.  Just ask 
Charger fans.

>I would hope that KC doesn't waste their time or money on Montana.
>(Nothing against Montana).  Use that for something else and work
>with Vlassic and Blundin.  Possibly use Krieg as a veteran backup.

Vlassic hasn't shown much talent.  The Chiefs can afford to drop him
in favor of a QB off the draft.

rich.
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From: wood@ast.dsd.northrop.com (Jonathan B. Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: More predictions
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:53:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Northrop ESD - Rolling Meadows Facility


YAPP (Yet Another Playoff Prediction):

Dallas 23  San Fran 21
Against my better judgement (and rooting interest) I am picking the 
'Boys.  The small edge is because of the QB position (suprise, I have to
favor Aikman).  I have followed Young since his BYU days (I was living
in SLC at the time) and he just seems too inconsistant in the BIG games.
Aikman seems to be able to play within his abilities in such situations.
The Dallas D will not be able to contain the 9ers totally, but enough to
stay close.  The 9er D will likewise have trouble stopping 'Boys.  In
the end, Young will not handle the pressure and make a mistake -- game
over.  


Buffalo 31 Miami 27
Miami is more the sentimental favorite because I would like to see
Marino will the big one, but I don't see it happening this year.  They
have been inconsistant all year, whereas Buffalo has been streaky.  Thus
I see Miami not playing as well this week, and Buffalo continuing to
turn it on.  The game should feature lots of offense, so it should be
fun to watch.  

=======================================================================

Buffalo 20  Dallas 17
Call me Mr Vegas, but I've got to go with the Bills in this, their third
straight SB appearance.  There is no logic to it, the 'Boys will be a
big favorite (and deservedly so), but I still call it for Buffalo -- it's
just their time.  



JBW
From: dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ben Dreith
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:08:48 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1993Jan6.160444.12440@osf.org> bsmith@osf.org writes:

>>...stuff about Dreith blowing Pats/Raiders deleted...


Certainly i agree with you on the poor game he had then...but how can you
hate the funniest ref in football.  Everyone surely remembers his famous
"giving the business down here" call on Marty Lyons.  He always seemed 
to be yelling at players if they committed a penalty.  I always waited for
him to say, "that's 15 yards, a first down, and go to your room immediately".

-dave
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From: bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason)
Subject: Re: Montana ...a poor sport?
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:30:44 GMT

>
>This would be a perfectly valid comparison if Young had started for the
>team for 10 years and led them to four league championships prior to
>becoming the back-up.
>
>- Gary Rosen

So, then, when does he become too old?  He's been out for 2 years and
practically demands to start.  

I know Montana is close to ascending to Football God status, to whom
we offer our sacrifices & such, but I guess I just wonder about his
"competitiveness" particularly at this time.  Or is it the media
that's making a big deal out of his request to start.

I also wonder if Young couldn't have lead SF to a SB win when he came.
-- 

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Purdue University
bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu
Organization: Junior, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Tue,  5 Jan 1993 19:19:48 -0500 
From: Christopher Paul Henk <ch3l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Slight understatement?

In article <1992Dec30.195717.13311@ultb.isc.rit.edu>,
vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu predicts:

>buffalo 20 houston 13
>
>thurmon thomas will carry the ball 30+ times. reich (sp) will be
>productive when he is called upon.
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From: mdwheel@h6.ius.cs.cmu.edu (Mark Wheeler)
Subject: Re: TOP TEN MADDENISMS
Reply-To: mdwheel@cs.cmu.edu
Organization: CMU Vision and Autonomous Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:32:30 GMT

(Eric Schnabel) writes:
> 
>    Just an casual observation from a casual armchair QB:
> 
>    I think John Madden is great! He takes some of the staleness out of the 
>    otherwise very redundant commentary, and makes the game more entertaining. 
>
......
>    Any other good stories out there???????

How about his selection of the guy who had to put out the fire at the top of the 
Superdome during a Saints game (vs. the 49ers I think)?
Anyone remember the details of the commentary?

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From: fbrown@ssd.kodak.com (Frank Brown)
Subject: Re: Chris Dishman's whining
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 17:05:52 GMT

In article <Jan.5.15.12.23.1993.24385@aramis.rutgers.edu> rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.181951.16427@cs.wisc.edu> jeffr@ssec.wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin) writes:
>
>> I agree.  Give credit to the Bills for not giving up, but this game
>> was much more Houston's loss than it was Buffalo's win.  At this
>> level of football, there's simply no excuse for blowing a 32 point
>> lead.  Houston simply handed the game to the Bills.
>> Before you Buffalo fans flame away, let me say that I'm neither a
>> Houston nor Buffalo fan.  All just my opinion.
>
>I agree. Houston blew this game wide open and then completely and
>utterly collapsed. The *comeback* was accomplished because the men
>from Houston laid down and allowed Buffalo to run right thru them, as
>though they weren't even there. I would say the Oilers *took a dive*
>and threw this game, but I don't really believe they consciously did
>it. But the results were the same as if they had. I just don't see how
>the Oilers could so thoroughly dominate the Bills for 6 quarters, and
>then be invisible for the final 2. I'm not a fan of either team, but I
>wanted to see Houston win - *finally*. Guess I'm gonna have a wait a
>bit longer, huh?
>

Yes you are. I disagree with you both. The game is 2 halves. The first
half Buffalo played like Houston did in the 2nd and vice versa. The difference
in the game was the Bills scored more points in their half than Houston
did in theirs. Yes you have to give the Bills credit for not giving up
and still trying when they went down by 32. No matter who would have
won it was truly the game of a lifetime. 

Frank
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Vikings loss to 'Skins
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:42:53 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

I hate when someone says, after a particular team loses a ballgame, 
that they actually are the better team.  This is not what I'm doing.  
Also, I am not a Vikings fan so this is not just sour grapes.

Having got that out of the way, I'd like to say that I know the 
Vikings are capable of putting up a much better fight than they did 
last weekend.  I've seen a lot of posts saying things like "I can't 
believe that people actually thought the Vikings would beat the 
Redskins."  

The fact is that it's not fair to judge a team based on one game.  
The 15-13 game earilier this year is much more indicitive of the 
Vikings talent level than this game.  I've seen the Vikings play a 
bunch of times this season and I'm telling you their talent is on a 
par with the Redskins.  

Because they got off to such a fast start. I think people are forgetting 
that this was Dennis Green's 1st year as a HC in the NFL.  It's very 
difficult for a new head coach to win a playoff game especially when 
the opposing coach is Joe Gibbs.

I don't know what happened last Saturday.  The Vikings were flat, no 
doubt about that, but I don't know why.  By no means am I saying that 
the Redskins didn't earn their victory.  All I'm saying is that the 
Vikings were not playoff pretenders.  IMHO, they will prove that next 
year.

JGH
From: alaw@oracle.com (Alvin W. Law)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Two "West Coast" Teams in the Conference Title Game ...
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:13:19 GMT
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In article <4fHyF2G00WDKA767JY@andrew.cmu.edu> vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon) writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 9-Jan-93 Two "West Coast"
>Teams in t.. Bob Ashley@oasis.gtefsd. (2071)
>
>> In article 5196@equinox.unr.edu,  schnell@pyramid.unr.edu (Dan Schnell) writes:
>> >
>> >Okay, let's just s'ppose here.
>> >
>> >Chargers beat Fish.
>> >Bills beat Steelers.
>> >
>> >Niners beat Redskins.
>> >Dallas/Philly whatever.
>> >
>> >The pairings for next week would be:
>> >Buffalo at San Diego
>> >San Francisco hosts game.
>> >
>> >Now, both games would be on sunday, and both games would be on the west
>> >coast.  Which game would be the "early game", starting at 10AM pacific
>> >time?  I can tell you right now, the Chargers would get screwed, and have
>> >to play the early game, fate is cruel to the Chargers in Afc championship
>> >history.  San Francisco would "pull rank" and demand the prime start time.
>> > Or what does youse think?
>
>
>> I think it was a couple of seasons ago when the Broncos and 49ers both hosted
>> the conference title games ... they had the Denver game start at 11:30 local
>> time, which equated to 13:30 here on the East Coast.  The 49ers then played
>> at 14:00 local, which was 17:00 out here.
>
>you rule out the more obvious one one Saturday, one on Sunday. I don't
>know if they'd do that, considering one team would get an extra day's
>rest, but who knows?

Hoe about Buffalo at San Diego at 1:00 PST, Philly/Dallas at
San Francisco at 5:00 PST.  I think the Niners game would draw a good
prime time crowd, considering the matchups.


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From: vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov)
Subject: Re: Thoughts and predictions?????
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:52:39 GMT

In <1993Jan4.102133.4840@admin1.memst.edu> jasmith@admin1.memst.edu (John) writes:

>Wildcard games are over and my predictions and thoughts have been totally 
>demolished.  Kansas City who I had one though had the capablity of going 
>to the SuperBowl have finished the season with out scoring on San Diego.
>Houston who had been dealt all the right cards in a game against Buffalo
>finds the Bills holding a better hand.  Philly over New Orleans one of
>the only games that I had though of right didn't play like I thought.
>Washington after two loss turns there team around 24-7 over the Vikings.

>NFC Games.                          AFC Games.

>   Washinton       14                  San Diego   27
>at San Francisco   31               at Miami       17

>   Philadelphia    27                  Buffalo     10
>at Dallas          24               at Pittsburgh  31

>San Francisco should dominate the Skins offensively.  Young should toss three 
>touchdowns.  Rypien should continue on his subpar season.  In Texas Staduim,
>Philadelphia will hold off the Cowboys.  San Diego looks good to advance over
>the Dolphins.  The dreams should end this week at Pittsburgh for the Bills.

Hmmm. I don't know. I agree with Skins at Niners (I hate them both).
SD over Miami 13-10 (goodbuy to my Dolphins). Dallas over Philly 20-13
(Dallas just has too much). Buffalo over Pittsburgh 20-17 (Buffalo has
to be on a high and Pitt is just not there yet).

>   Philadelphia   24                   San Diego   14
>at San Francisco  28                at Pittsburgh  17

>San Francisco is looking too strong right now for anyone to get, but Philly
>looks like they might have shaked off the end of season problems.  The NFC is
>a tight one.  Give the NFC crown to either San Francisco, Philly, or Dallas.
>But right now SF looks to be in the driver seat.  Ok, all you San Diego fans
>your team is beginning to make me a believer, but you'll really need a romp of
>Miami before I go with the Chargers for the SuperBowl.  My opinion is that the
>Chargers and Steelers are the only two teams good enough to make the
Superbowl

In the NFC Final, SF over Dallas 24-20 (home field for the edge) and
in the AFC, SD over Buffalo 17-6 (the dream ends here).
 
>in the AFC with slight edge going to Pittsburgh.

>                         S U P E R B O W L
>            San Francisco   45       Pittsburgh  14

>My opinion is that the NFC still looks too strong for the AFC to contend with.
>San Francisco, Philadelphia or Dallas in a blowout of San Diego or Pittsburgh.
>The AFC has shown me much this year.

In the Superbowl, 49ers (I can't stand them) over Chargers 24-10. The
Chargers are not good enough to beat those bastards.
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From: rrleck@custer.uucp (bob leck)
Subject: Oilers Replace Jack Pardee
Organization: Exxon
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:59:16 GMT

The Houston Oilers replaced Jack Pardee today. He was replaced by Linda Lovelace............She never chokes on the big ones!!!!
From: greg@redeye.EBay.Sun.COM (greg)
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Subject: Grass field at 49er's
Date: 12 Jan 1993 04:47:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
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I just saw on the local (SF) news that they are replacing the
torn up grass at Candlestick.  The groundskeeper said that they
are removing the blugrass (destroyed Sat.) with new bermuda
grass.

Is this legal?

Anyhow, this should help the Cowboys, IMHO.

Greg
From: sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas on Real Grass
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:49:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <3304@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>In article <1isolrINNko5@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker) writes:
>You forgot the loss at Philadelphia, which makes them 3-2.  'Course, they
>shoulda won the Redskins game . . . :^)  But I'm glad they didn't, since

Get the facts straight Dan. The loss to philadelphia came at the Vet which
is on artificial turf. 

>Daniel Welch

Rajeev
A Scrambling Eagle Fan
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