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From: nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas)
Subject: Re: Australians (was Re: accidently out)
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:41:24 GMT

mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) writes:

Ah, Micchelino! "Welcome to my parlour", said the spider to the fly...

(And *what* a spider! And *what* a fly! :)

>nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>>And maybe we should do that with those present here --- we're all Greek
>>here after all! 
>Novel definition of either "all" or "Greek" there, Nickelodeon ...

... Nickelodeon?! Have you been talking to Dawn or something? :)

(Beats being called Bubba, I suppose.)

(BUBBA?!?!)

>Aw, gee, shucks :-)  I'm glad you like the way I annoy you, Nick.  

"I love how you love me"? More like "I love how you love how I love how
you annoy me" :)

>see it now - the kinkiest of B/D scenes.  Nick chained to his terminal

Don't forget the Underwater Explosion experimental manuals!

>as I stand wearing a beige suit backwards, 

And may I say what a *nice* lining you have there...

>reading choice excerpts of my rabid anti-trad diatribes ...  

Fragt di velt an alte kashe, TRADi, TRADi-ridi-ROM...

>Tickets available at the door, free entry
>if you bring your own liberal "tradition is the devil!  Exorcise the
>evil influence!" essays.

Daemonise-it-yourself kits sold separately :)

>hugs to our resident jester, whose best efforts to reduce us all to
>gibbering wrecks through equal measures of delight and dole have so far
>been unsuccessful

One cannout blame me for trying. I am, after all, try-hard. I am also
non-trivial. You can't classify me either as fun to have around or not.
Which is good for the spirit! :)

*nibble nibble nibble* Me thanketh yow for your kindness, Micchelino!

(And he *alliterates* :)

>Mike, glad to be flam

Nick, glad to be gray... :)
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From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Australians (was Re: accidently out)
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:40:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.032923.19163@udel.edu> litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (The Assasin's Guild) writes:
>In article <Bz07y9.HFx@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>>Eeeek! you see, that's the entire problem.  "Passion fatigue" - as soon
>>as I've worked out how to maximise my queer-tour, new folk pop up and
>>beg me to visit...  If I were to do the whole thing properly it'd take
>>at least a year and span three continents (and my nuts would have died).
>
>Well, something will just have to be done to resurrect them.  :) 

CPR? :)

>>Perhaps I should try and drum up some sponsor money from people who
>>want e-fun distributing on the way (Free if I fancy the distributee
>>myself, and thence on a sliding scale.  Note: *No* level of inducement
>>would cause me to be in any way nice to Clayton Cramer, just in case
>>any of you are *really* depraved)... sort of an E-missionary, I suppose :)
>
>Hey, I'll be happy to contribute.  And to save on accomodations I'm sure
>we could manage to find you a place to crash.  Actually, we'd probably kill
>each other fighting for the honor.  (Or we could all just crash together. :))

Hey, that'd be really kind.  No, no, don't fight over me, there's plenty
to be going on with for each and all (tho by the growing size of the
Delaware contingent I may have to ration myself to, say, no more than
six of you simultaneously).

>>>Delaware is a mere 5hrs away from New York, 1 hour from Philly.
>>>1.5 from Baltimore.
>>
>>Oh God, since when has distance been measured in hours?  Is this hours
>>by foot, bicycle, bus, car, train, plane, transporter-beam, or what?
>
>With those numbers?  By bike.  We're around fifty to sixty miles from 
>Baltimore, ninety or so from DC, and thirty to forty away from Philly.

Hey, that makes it really quite handy.  It looks like a NYC -> Delaware
(or vice-versa (I do like my vice versa, don't you?)) transition then.

>>Oo, ya wicked person, Jim.  Spanks in store for you!
>Me too?  ;-)

Oh, most assuredly.  Anyone who quotes Steve Brust is excellent in my
opinion.

				Kay
-- 
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37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
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From: haynes@fivenine.apple.com (Charles Haynes)
Subject: Re: This Whole Penis Thing ...
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:12:07 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <BzFB0u.2EH@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca> nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca (Nigel M Burnett) writes:
>The_Devine_Dolly (iw@tosser.Rational.COM) wrote:
> 
>: I think a leather dildo, which has other wonderful associations......

>Long ago I had a leather bicycle seat - a little hard to get used to
>but once it had molded to the shape of your butt - wonderful.  I'll
>have to try a leather one.  Serious question - cleaning it?

If you are using it only on yourself, I'd suggest Lexol. If you are sharing
it with others I'd suggest a condom.

	-- Charles

Newsgroups: soc.bi
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Subject: [FORWARD]:  HOMOSEXUALITY VIA KIN SELECTION ?
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Subj: HOMOSEXUALITY VIA KIN SELECTION ?
Name: Your Conscience #190 @8118
Date: Sat Dec 05 00:20:29 1992



I'm writing a biologogical paper on a rather recent theory stating
that homosexuality could plausiblely be have evolved via kin
selection. To consider the theory more in-depth I need to gather some
information on homosexuality "in the wild". I have some data already
on homosexuality studies on mono and dizygotic twins and some on
homosexuality in macaques, a primate in (I believe) Asia. I even have
a listing for a paper discussing something similar in cockroaches
(?!?). I'm wondering if there is any sort of source material you  can
point my way. It's an interesting theory that basically states that
in some ways homosexuality might actualy tie in with "kin selection",
the evolutionary notion of genetic relatedness as a primary selection
pressure. If the paper works out reasonably well maybe I'll send you
a copy if you'd be interested.

I'm kinda psyched about it. I came up with the topic due to it's
controversial nature and how it directly contradicts the narrow (read
fundamentalist, Jesus-freakish) view that runs rampant through our
culture and social policy. So any help you can give would be
appreciated.

    Thanks.

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From: bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction, or De-Muffining
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:54:40 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <Bz9Jwt.Ez6@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>
>Perfect height?  Tricky...
>
>	A few inches taller than I, so I can gaze up into their eyes.

MMMmmmmm...

>	Just my height, so I can kiss them straight on the lips.

_This_ is a real luxury...

>	A few inches shorter, so I can wrap myself round them and
>	    nuzzle the back of their neck while hugging their front.

Anybody know any dwarves I can try this on ...?

>	Not so tall I have to stand on a box to see anything other
>	    than their crotch.

And get a cricked neck :(. I tend to get _really_ _familiar_ with
other people's armpits..........

>	Not so short that I tread on them when I'm not looking.

I hope _I_ don't come into that category, Kay..... <blatant flirt>
<flutters eyelashes> etc, etc.....


<HUG> 


Bethan
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: dbshapco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Brad Shapcott)
Subject: Re: Help! I've been killfiled and I can't get out!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:14:47 GMT


>Not everyone in the world is going to like you.  Not a crime--on their
>part OR on yours.  Just a fact of life that some people rub others the
>wrong way.  [Like one of my favorite people in the world whom I've never
>met, whose every posting I read with anticipatory delight, apparently
>thoroughly irritates another reader with those same postings...]

I think there is a failing here on Dan's part too though, aside from
any character judgement on Roy.  You never broaden your horizons by
exposure to only those things that you find wholly pleasant and in
accord with your sensibilities.  It can't be that every thing Roy
talks about irritates the hell out of Dan, although perhaps the way
he presents it does.

I do think it is a dangerous practice to apply so broad a filter.
People you do not like often have things to say as important as
said by those people you do like.  Usually the 'n' and 'k' keys
are powerful enough for me, and only used for subjects I have no
interest in (not discussions where the main participant(s) irritates
me).

(Course, I also find it odd that someone has a 'favourite [person] in
the world' that they have never met :-?)

>How does one spell achieve, anyway?  I started with acheive, then
>switched to achieve, which looks right, but I'm confused......

'i before e except after c' (directly after, that is)
('and when they say "ay" as in neighbour and weigh')

So it is achieve.

> Piglet


Brad
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: dbshapco@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Brad Shapcott)
Subject: Re: This Whole Penis Thing ...
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: soc.bi
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 18:48:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.191112.3869@infodev.cam.ac.uk> SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk writes:
>In article <iw.723757437@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (The_Devine_Dolly) writes:
>>Not sure about my interpretation, but I do know that I wish men
>>had detachable penises, I really do.  I really don't think that
>>I would have any gender issues at all if that were the case.
>>
>To be somewhat frivilous, it seems a perfectly reasonable wish
>from the male perspective purely on the grounds of convenience.  
>Whatever evolutionary road led us to having external genetalia 
>was a *big* mistake....


Considering how frequently I misplace stuff, I'm going to vote against this
one.  And wouldn't you get tired of friends borrowing your penis, and then
not cleaning it up before they brought it back to you?  Or forgetting to
bring it back (you know, liked borrowed books)?  Or having to spend an hour
looking for the damn thing when you really needed it (try between the seat
cushions first, then look under your bed, etc.)?  Or how about forgetting
it at home when you were off an holidays (mebbe they'd have a Penis Express
service for lost or stolen penises -- "Don't leave home without it!")?  And
come to think of it, it could be stolen or permamently lost, or your SO
could just take it and hide it on you when you'd been naughty.

As I said though, I'd just end up misplacing my own.  Somebody come over
and there I'd be (hypothetical dialogue follows):

"Hi, Brad."

"Gimme a minute here.  I'm looking for my penis."

"Can I help?"

"Well, I dunno.  I looked everywhere."

"Where'd you have it last?  Think back."

"Yeah . . . hey . . . good idea!"

(Gets on phone.)

"Bob, did I leave my penis there? . . . No . . . You're sure? . . . Well,
 could you check, please? . . . Okay, thanks."

"Damn, no, that's not it.  Good idea though."

"Well, did you have it out?  Did you lend it to somebody?"

"No.  No.  It's gotta be around here somewhere."

"Didja check your pockets."

"What?  Oh . . ."  (Feels around.)  "Damn, I'm always doing that -- spend a
 hour looking for the damn thing and here I had it with me all the time."

"Oh well, at least you didn't leave it in the freezer . . ."


See?  Not a good idea.


Brad

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kamal@specialix.co.uk (Kamal Mortoza)
Subject: Re: Coming Out: The Report (and hugs)
Organization: Specialix International, London
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:08:38 GMT

Congrat's Roy - I can really appreciate a mom who understands her kid's
with a non-jugdemental attitude...

Sadly - twenty-odd years ago this was very, very rare. I told my mom when
I was about 22 - visiting home after 5 years in England ( I left home at 17).
I can't really remember how the conversation came up - but at some point, I
felt I had to open up. At the time I assumed that my mom would appreciate
knowing a new facet of me and would take it in her stride. But her reaction
was very negative - she ended up calling me twisted and perverse and we
haven't seen each other since (15 years or so). I never got over the shock of
realising that I represented one of her anathamas to such an extent. On a more
positive note - I met my wife when I was 18, and she is also bi - such a 
secure feeling when you know that you are appreciated for being who you are
rather than what others would have you appear. Still - good luck to you Roy
and a happy new-year.

Kamal

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From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: some questions for a newbie
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:05:07 GMT
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <1h1l01INN3lp@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
>
>Secondly, gentle ways: Umm, see how comfortable you are dealing with MOTSS
>(I'm not really sure what your gender is) ... how comfortable you are, for
>example, flirting, or hugging, etc ... Of course, until I got into the
>pervert community, I was uncomfortable hugging either, but the point I hope,
>is clear.  

Why, do only perverts hug people then?

(Damn!  I've just broken my long-standing resolution not to post to soc.*
groups where I don't fit the description... still, I've hugged people of
both sexes, so I must be at least bi-huggual...)

--
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rks@cscns.com (gisle j benediktsson)
Subject: coming out to family??
Organization: Community_News_Service
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:31:44 GMT

Hello... I have been reading this group for a while now and have noticed
that there are many people discussing 'coming out' to their families. Now,
I must somewhat admit that I am mystified. 

I guess I really don't consider my lifestyle to be any of my family's
business. It is not up to them to 'accept' me. They have two options in
my own view: they can either accept it or they can fuck off. (That is 
assuming that I have a piece of information that I may choose to share
with them.) 

It really bothers me that people seem to be bothered about this?Why in
the world do we have a tendency to give these people so much power? 

Perplexed...


//gisle


Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss)
Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:05:48 GMT
Organization: (speaking only for myself from Austin, Texas)

In article <1992Dec18.194804.2371@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>In article <BzGy03.1GvM@austin.ibm.com> alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss) writes:
>>That leaves me wondering why you missed the point of the posting.
>
>I didn't miss the point of the posting.  I've heard the
>same "point" over and over and over and over and over and
>over and over.

Not from me, since I'm new to these parts ..... 


>  And what leaves me wondering is why, when
>someone tells you that she feels excluded and isolated by
>your choice of language, you say "tough" and go on using
>the same language.  It speaks volumes about your
>priorities, even if your reasons for disagreeing with her
>have any validity whatsoever.

First of all, Melinda (herm says, going all gender-neutral
parental on you ;-)  I didn't USE any gender-specific language.
Herm was decrying the use of it IN GENERAL.

Secondly, you're absolutely correct about one thing:  I don't
think this is a very big priority, in my life.  No, I'm not
insensitive or boorish or stooopid --> I'm pretty sensitized
by discrimination (and hence my not-too-subtle allusion to
my daughters && spousal significant other).  In fact, I don't
think its a big priority in ANYONE's life - that's why I
proffered the suggestions I did (i.e., use marketing strategy).
One way to MAKE it a priority is to make it attractive, etc.

>I forgot, in my previous posting, to thank all you Big
>Smart Men for explaining to us Poor Addled Women exactly
>how to go about achieving gender parity.  Thanks!
>--
>       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu

I forgot to tell you:  you're a sexist pig, too :-)
Do you not think a MAN can offer any valid observations in
this subject material?  Or do you think this is something
only a WOMYN can appreciate and address?

I paid the poster the highest compliment I could:  I treated
herm EXACTLY as I'd treat a man.  As I am doing right now, with you.
No kid gloves, no special treatment.

Now, about gender-neutral language:  do you REALLY think this
will achieve gender parity?  Why?

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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss)
Subject: Re: A question about Stephen M. Conley
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:39:01 GMT
Organization: (speaking only for myself)

In article <BzC78D.8qx@rice.edu> cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston) writes:
>In article <Bz1wG5.6FL@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>
>>Sorry, I *still* don't believe in the existence of political parties
>>with any principles other than "We want to be in power".  Alice
>>Cooper was right.
>
>Some Libertarians, if not the party itself, are not after power.
>As possible evidence, I offer the fact that Libertarians have run for
>office on the platform that if elected to the office, they would then
>phase out or abolish that office, leaving themselves officeless.


And, judging by our track record, I can pretty much say that
we will NEVER be "after" power :-)    I've given up on the
Party as a mechanism for change -- I'd rather co-opt one
of the other parties.

School vouchers are being picked up on by the Republicans.
William F. Buckley (he of the uncivilized tongue) and
Milton Friedman are advocating legalization of all drugs.
The Democrats are now supporting Enterprise Zones, and
many are in favor of legalization of gambling and other
so-called "sins."  

Around the world, people are breaking free of the chains
of totalitarianism.  We may not *call* it libertarianism.
But that's the way of the future.


>	Cathy
>	not a libertarian, but kinda leaning over that direction.

Keep leanin' :-)  James Carville was WRONG.  Its not
"the economy, stupid."  Its:

	"The deficit/debt, stupid."

Until that is solved, we will never free ourselves.  Most other
discussions, IMHO, just pale in importance.


>Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu
>Why you should recycle bytes:  "Believe it or not, most deleted bytes currently
>find their way straight into the Internet refuse stream, often to turn up in
>postings to Usenet, or worse, OSI standards documents!"  -- Peter Deutsch
				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Also ISO and ANSI standards, on occasion.  Not to mention my
code!


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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: yal@cltr.uq.oz.au (Yvette Lian)
Subject: Re: More total blatant fluff
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:47:08 GMT

In article <9234915.17977@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>Muffy Barocky: It is *NOT* *TRUE* I was scandalised by your apparel in your 
>.gif! NOT TRUUUUUE, I telle yow! Rather, when I visited Giuseppino's campus

Muffy has a GIF!!!!  I want it I want it I want it!!! :)


>Yvette Lian: yo. How goes? Same here :) . Take abundant care of thee. Is 
>that a BIG BUTCH KNIFE IN YOUR POCKET, or... oh, it's *two*! *smile*

No Nic.. it's a big butch *DYKE* knife!  Get it right, son! :)


>Suzanne Vega: Get *back* in my head, woman! :) :)

O Nicster, have you heard that "Bad Wisdom" song?  I heard it the other day
on the Lesbian Show.. damn it's a good song!

Cu :)


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From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Need A Date for a HS reunion (New Jersey)
Date: 19 Dec 1992 17:54:44 -0500
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdl.warren.mentorg.com

Damn.

I always wanted to bring a male SO to my HS reunion.  I figured that
when it rolled around I would be dating a man.

I'm not.

So, does anyone in the east-coast area want to go as my "partner"?
You'd have to put up with a lot of strange looks, at least one Public
Display of Affection, and you have to promise to smile if I say
something like,

"Hi Frank!  Glad to see you after all those years.  By the way,
remember all the times you called me `faggot'?  Well, you're smarter
than you look!"  (and then walk away)

Tom
P.S.  I know at least one other queer alumni will be there, so we won't
be alone.  We might be the only same-sex couple but.
-- 
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From: moragw@castle.ed.ac.uk (Alloy Serving Woman)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Moms, and getting them back (was Re: Coming Out: The Report)
Date: 13 Dec 92 14:24:49 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


Hey, sympathy heading your way Piglet, have as many hugs as you can
manage.  If you were still in Scotland we could give you a honey roasted
garlic garnished hug with all the trimmings, but I hope that you have
access to the American equivalent.  

I have an excellent relationship with my mom too, we don't even interact
on a mother-daughter level, more like a couple of friends really. 
Somehow that makes a falling out all the more painfull and hard to cope
with.

*hugs* in abundance
Mo