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From: jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason Haines)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: <<< Mustang Powered Miata >>>
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:15:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Apr10.062833.17928@menudo.uh.edu> kevin@taronga.taronga.com (Kevin Brown) writes:

>I've heard you can rent Ferraris and the like for on the order of $150 per
>day.  I don't know if that fee covers insurance or not.  If it does, it
>would *definitely* be worth the money just to have the experience.

	I've seen them for around $450 but never as low as $150 (I'd
have rented it in a second).  Even the Corvettes (the 'even' has nothing 
to do with the performance of the Corvette (no flames pleaee) but
has to do with its price in comparison to the Ferraris) and Mustang
convertibles I've seen for rent were $150 to $300 a day (I used to
have a Conv. Mustang GT ('87), I'd have rented it for $150 a day - would
have covered the payments pretty quick).
>
...
>they're using (admittedly, there are few things they could do better, e.g.
>the body flex and 4-wheel disc brakes.  But as I said, the former is easily
>fixable with inexpensive subframe connectors, and rear disc brake kits *are*
>available.  The most important feature that's missing on the current
>Mustang is anti-lock brakes, which requires discs on all four corners).
>
Actually, not all ABS systems require four-wheel disc brakes.  The lower
cost GM system (the NEW Bonneville, even in the SSEi form has drum rears)
and the systems used on most trucks work with drum brakes.  I think the
system used on the new Cavaliers has rear drums?  What about the new 
Honda Civic system - do they use rear drums, I can't remember.  I always 
wondered why Ford didn't just take the anti-lock rear brakes
from the 'F' series trucks and put it on the Mustang (I probably
would complain about that two, the poor rear-only ABS systems are a pain
when autocrossing, rear end doesn't react like you want it to).

(BTW - trucks need the rear abs much more than most cars because
when unloaded the rear end is very light.  The dynamics of the truck
change as you load up the truck)



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From: thomas@bit.UUCP (Thomas Walter)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Datsun 2000 (Was Re: Fabulous New RX7)
Summary: Datsun Roadster owners out there....
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:02:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: bit.344
Organization: BIT, Portland, OR



RE: Datsun 2000

>Japan?  Don't you mean Great Britain?  :)
>
>(most of the parts were direct from the UK, or copied, 
>as I understand it)

Oh, you mean the Hitachi electrics, NGK Plugs, Nippidenso
Clutch? :-)

The '50's Austin heritage did carry over to many items,
but the 2000 OHC was a PRINCE MOTOR COMPANY creation.
(built on a stroked Nissan 1600 OHV block). Prince's engine 
expertise showed up in full on the L series (510, 240Z).

Are you a Datsun Roadster fan? 

 Then come join us, on the Roadster mailing list!
 Send mail to: datsun-roadsters@hoosier.utah.edu
 subsciption info: bill_wessel@gene.biotech.wisc.edu

Cheers,

Thomas Walter			bit!thomas@cse.ogi.edu
Beaverton, Oregon
Datsun Roadster owner; '67 1600, '68 2000 [72 510's too]
Datsun Roadster Club, of Oregon, Newsletter tech editor.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: -- NEED HELP BUYING AN AMERICAN CAR (please read) --
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:30:45 GMT
Reply-To: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos, steven@syacus.acus.oz.au (Steven Malikoff) writes:
>How sad. I thought Americans had finally realised how ridiculous big cars
>(we call them "Yank Tanks" over here) are, when you compare them with what's
>driven in practically every other country on earth. Not pointing any fingers,
>but doesn't the US have one of the highest, if not the highest toxic emission
>levels? And, another thing, I can well imagine the tyre-squealing sound effects
>Steve Malikoff.

    Actually, with our emissions regulations, our air is less polluted
from auto emissions than most other countries.*If you want to see/smell
polluted air, go to Mexico City. In the meantime, get your facts straight
before shooting from the hip.
					Steve
*considering miles driven (in some cases not even taking that into consider-
ation).
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From: ericy@crchh435.bnr.ca (Eric Youngblood)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Air Filters--Fram vs K&N
Keywords: air filters fram K&R (4992)
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:06:07 GMT
Reply-To: ericy@crchh435.bnr.ca (Eric Youngblood)
Followup-To: rec.autos

In article <1992Apr2.150008.26313@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, efisch@councilb1.austin.ibm.com writes:
|> In article <1992Apr1.103110.22277@doug.cae.wisc.edu> dschneid@hollerith.ece.wisc.edu (Dan Schneidewend) writes:
|> >                                   The down side is that they cose
|> >$20 or more a filter (although the filters are lifetime filters,
|> >an are cleaned rather than replaced so may be a little cheaper in
|> >the long run)
|> >
|> >
|> >Dan
|> 
|> Is the cleaning process just a matter of running the filter through
|> some water or does the filter need some special oil and have a
|> monatanous way of prepping it for use?
|> 
|> Eric 
|> 
|> -- 
|> 
|> .. Work hard, Play harder ...
|> 
|>                Eric Fisch

You can purchase a cleaning kit which includes a special cleaning solvent
and aerosol oil to re-oil the filter. You can however clean the filter and
re-oil it without the kit, but I think the kit method is easier. Plus the
spray oil in the kit has a dye in it so you can tell when you have even 
coverage. Considering the 50,000 mile interval between cleanings I'd say
the K&N filter blows away ALL conventional paper filters in performance, cost,
and maintenance.

Ericy

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: pauly@netcom.com (Paul Yoshimune)
Subject: Re: photo radar
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 03:10:01 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

Well, photo radar is alive and well in Campbell, California.  The unit is
mounted in the back of a Jeep Cherokee, so they dump it in a different location
each day.  They're not very hard to see, since it's not very often you see a
white Jeep with the hatch open sitting on the sidewalk.  But anyhow...

Does anyone know if they takes pictures of the front and rear of your car?  To
the best of my knowledge, they still only take frontal pictures.  In which case
the USA1 plate on my car is a lifesaver...   :-)

-- 
-Paul Yoshimune [pauly@netcom.com]
From: dean@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jeff Dean - LSI Test)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Bug deflectors - worth the bother?
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:47:46 GMT
Reply-To: dean@cbmvax.UUCP (Jeff Dean - LSI Test)
Distribution: rec
Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA

I'm getting a new Explorer, and I'm wondering if bug deflectors do
anything for a truck/SUV?  I've seen lots of 'em on the road but
nobody has ever said they were worth the bother.  Any opinions?

Thanks.

jd
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|   'O O`   Jeffrey Dean                                   1200 Wilson Drive |
|   > v <   VLSI Test and Design Assurance            West Chester, PA 19380 |
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From: erodrigu@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Edgar Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: New 1993 Mazda MX-6
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:23:30 GMT
Reply-To: erodrigu@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Edgar Rodriguez)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Annapolis, MD

In rec.autos, rra21220@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rae R. Aranas) writes:
>I just saw the new mx-6 here in my
>apartment complex...It is a world
>apart from the previous model...
>It looks quite.....Lexusish Coupish....
>Anyway, has anyone read about the specs for
>the new mx6?  The car I saw had a little
>emblem on the rear saying V6 engine.....
>Thanks for the info.

    If I remember from the brochure, it's an enlarged? version of the
1.8 used in the MX-3. It has 164 hp and 169 ft/lb at 4800. Base price
its about 18K, 600 fot A/C,560 sunroof and 1K for leather pckg. The
V6 is the LS model




			     Edgar

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: chilton@crc.ricoh.com (Jeff Chilton)
Subject: Re: Are all Americans Stupid???
Organization: RICOH California Research Center
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 21:24:29 GMT




kerrat@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Adrian T Kerr) writes:
> magazine a Lambourghini Diamblo was driven legally at 204mph on a German 
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^                                       
> autobhan.To be honest I don't need to be able to
  ^^^^^^^^
> Surely my sense of homour has momentarily disappeared but I am sure someone 
                     ^^^^^^
in one of the auto news groups was disscussing how to put her lipstick on whilst
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^

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From: koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Engine Braking - what causes it?
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:35:09 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego

In article <1992Apr9.152911.12379@cabot.balltown.cma.COM> welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:

>In article <5313@nosc.NOSC.MIL> koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz) writes:

>>predominantly, the action of trying to pull intake air past a closed throttle
>>plate is the source of 'engine-braking'...  don't believe someone saying
>>'compression' because *that* is *not* true -- Diesels essentially freewheel,
>>i.e. there is far *less* engine braking with a Diesel than with a gasoline
>>engine (all other factors equal).

>!?!??!

>well, i'm not familiar with Walt's treasured mopar products, but
>my mother's 1977 Mercedes 300D most assuredly has significant
>engine braking behaviour when you lift up on the throttle; quite
>a lot more than any gasoline powered car i've ever driven.

>perhaps Walt is generalizing from too small a sample set?

not an impossibilty, by any means...  however, it is more likely that I am
generalizing from a different sample set.  while I have no doubt of your
observation, I also have no doubt of mine, nor those of truckers I've had
occasion to converse with, nor that of Alan Hepburn.  the common point in my
assertion of negligable engine braking with a Diesl is that those of us who
agree all drive *heavy-duty* Diesels; those in disagreement all drive
*light-duty* Diesels.  I, admittedly, jumped to the conclusion that smaller
Diesels should behave like their bigger/stronger relatives; but I guess I was
mistaken...

perhaps I'll rephrase my assertion to read '... any Diesel of significant
output will provide negligable engine braking effect ...'  that will eliminate
the disagreeing data-points from the original generalization.        

Mike S. -- are you out there?  does your Navistar agree with Alan's assertion?


>cheers,
>  richard


walt k.






Xref: sparky rec.autos:11181 seattle.general:786 pnw.general:579
From: rhorwell@bcsaic.UUCP (Roland Faragher-Horwell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,seattle.general,pnw.general
Subject: FRENCH CAR OWNERS & ADMIRERS
Keywords: PEUGEOT RENAULT CITROEN DELAGE FACEL-VEGA PANHARD
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:06:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: bcsaic.70842
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Boeing Computer Services ATC, Seattle


ALL FRENCH CAR MEET at Snoqualmie Winery
May 16-17.

The Northwest Citroen Owners' Club is sponsoring this meet which will
include games, prizes, lunacy, and alot of fun (even if you don't care
much about cars).  If you have a French vehicle (any year/model) then
you are an orphan now that there are none sold in North America!  

If you would like more info on the meet, 
reply to: rhorwell@atc.boeing.com

or phone: Greg Bruninga 206-789-9326

This meet is devoted to all years/models so bring that
Alliance/505/405/le car/etc!


Roland Faragher-Horwell
NWCOC Treasurer
Xref: sparky rec.autos:10964 rec.autos.driving:2237 rec.autos.tech:5595
From: peterco@eff.org (Peter A. Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Remote/Battery Operated Detectors? (was Re: Choosing a radar
     detector)
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:06:04 GMT
Organization: ON Technology, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2

Does anyone have experience with battery operated radar detectors or
radar detectors that use a sensing unit that's installed in the grille of
the car?

- Peter
From: dcg@mogun.UUCP (David Gunsul)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Car Wax Recommendations
Summary: Wax Shop Products = perfect shine
Keywords: Car, Auto, Wax, Paint, Protection, Polish, Clear Coat
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:12:43 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Hotrods `R' Us, Montgomery, IL

In article <1992Apr12.005257.16066@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, kevin@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Kevin Kreutzweiser) writes:
> Can anyone recommend a car wax suitable to protect a clear coat paint
> finish?  How abrasive are products like Mothers California Gold for new
> car finishes?
> 
> I'd prefer something with no abrasives at all, but I haven't been able
> to find a product that doesn't have any.

Hey Kevin,

I use a wax called Super Glaze plus which is perfectly safe for all clear coat
finishes and works GREAT!
It has NO abrasives.

Super Glaze is made by the Wax Shop and can be bought at most automotive parts
places or sometimes, hardware stores.

BTW the Wax Shop makes a wax that's specially made for clear coat paint but I
don't remember what it's called. :u(

> Kevin
> -- 
> Internet:  kevin@csg.uwaterloo.ca | sysop@f172.n221.z1.fidonet.org
> UUCP:      {uunet!}watmath!csg!kevin
> Fidonet:   SYSOP, 1:221/172 
> Fax/BBS:   (519) 748-9081 | Kitchener, Ontario, Canada




                       David Gunsul 
                       dcg@mogun.uucp
                       

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                       may be unsuitable for younger or more sensitive
                       readers. This post was written as it happened,
                       nothing was reenacted.
From: bphdarcy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (SJ Roc D'Arcy, MBP)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: --NEED HELP with Pontiac Sunbird LE Please
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:06:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr7.150425.6877@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, csbgc@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes...
> 
>Hello all!

>The dealer rep just blew me off and IMHO didnt really give a shit that I had a
>problem with my car.  Can anyone help!
> 

Don,

Pontiac has an 1-800 number for people experiencing such problems.  They
are sometimes helpful (though many times useless).  If the car is in the 
warranty stage they can try to work with the dealer.

SJRD
From: knotts@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Tom Knotts)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:04:40 GMT
Subject: Saturn 6K service report
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos


I had my first service for my Saturn SL at 6K miles. It cost $91. They
were very friendly, and treated me very well.

In addition to the normal service, they discovered from the engine
computer that the ping sensor had failed twice in the past, so they
replaced it.  I can't imagine how they could have determined this
failure if the car didn't have this computer.

The ping sensor is interesting. It is an audio sensor which is tuned in
frequency to specifically detect pinging. When it 'hears' pinging, it
automatically advances the timing on-the-fly until the pinging goes away.
Interestingly enough, I had heard strong pinging twice in the past, the
same number of times the computer detected a ping-sensor failure. Is
this ping sensor common in modern cars, or is this a Saturn exclusive?

I asked the service guy how long I should let the car warm up each
morning. His response was interesting. He said that he has rebuilt many
engines for many makes of cars. He has noticed in the past that there
was often excessive cylinder wear in engines whose owners claimed that
they let the car warm up before using it. His theory is that one should
drive the car immediately, because it will warm up to normal operating
temperatures more quickly, minimizing the wear that naturally occurs
when a car runs cold. Does anyone agree or disagree with this?

Tom
From: patel@acsu.buffalo.edu (Sushil Patel)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Warming up your car
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:16:47 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Apr14.191553.9316@eng.umd.edu> floyd@eng.umd.edu (Mike Hughes) writes:
>
>	GOOD GOD!!!???  What is the purpose of doing this?  Are you trying to
>get the most heat out of the vents as soon as possible, while destroying your
>engine?  I seriously hope no one follows this advice.  
>
>	The best way to start/warm an engine is under PARTIAL load at varing
>RPM's.  At first, the engine has minimal oil everywhere except in the pan.  
>When the engine starts, the most wear is going to ocure on the softest, most
>heavily loaded parts.  These parts are the crankshaft bearings.  To protect
>them, it is advantagous to crank the motor over for a few revolutions before
>the load of combustion is present.  An ignition-kill switch near the driver's
>seat can acomplish this on a car that starts when the key is turned; and if
>you have to press the gas pedal to make your car start...don't press it for
>a while.  The purpose of this cranking is to allow an oil film to wedge it's
>way under the crank before the crank is severly loaded.
>

My Honda Accord's manual says "Warm up" before driving. I did find that the car
is so much more smoother if I warm up the car till the idle is lowered to 800+
than I drive it "cold".

I heard so much about using Slick 50 to protect engin. I don't how effective
it is. I used Slick 50 on my wife's 86 Sentra but could not feel any difference.
Honda has a new type of oil filters on which there are server one direction
rubber cover to keep the oil inside the engin. Honda service people said
to start an engin would not be a terrible thing to do anymore ( I hope
it is true). I don't know if the other cars have the same type of filters 
or not.
From: srivatsa@karna.Eng.Sun.COM (Chakra Srivatsa)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: GM's ABS VI vs the others
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:44:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: karna

What is the difference between GM's ABS VI (referred to by many as a
"poor man's ABS) and the others (BOSCH, etc)?  I notice that ABS on most
Japanese cars run upward of $1000, while the domestics offer ABS (presumably
GM's) for around $500.

On a secondary note, does anyone know if the Taurus uses GM's ABS?

--
The one l lama, he's a priest. 		srivatsa@eng.sun.com
The two l llama, he's a beast.
And I will bet a silk pajama, 
there isn't a three l lama!		says Ogden Nash
From: powell@interlan.Interlan.COM (Glen D. Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: why buy japanese?
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:21:17 GMT
Organization: Racal InterLan, Inc., Boxborough, MA (1-800-LAN-TALK)


sowellrm writes:

*I don't know about cars, but Japanese audio and video equipment is better than
*anything that I can find produced anywhere else.  The quality is high and
*the price is right.  The only American audio equipment that I can find is
*high-end, very specialized, and over priced.  The only TV made by an American
*company is Zenith, and it is assembled in Mexico.  The Zenith TV's that I have
*seen do not have the picture quality of a JVC or Hitachi TV of equal or even
*lower price.  The warranty on the Japanese products is also better, which
*leads me to believe that they are better designed also.  This is only my
*personal opinion based on my own experiences.

You have not looked very hard!

The best high-fidelity equipment (IMFO) manufactured today is built in the
USA and in England. Check out any good audio dealer, you will find this to be
true. Also, NAD manufactures televisions in the USA and their audio and video
quality is far superior to that of any mass-produced Japanese manufacturer.

-glen

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