HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: keith@cc.gatech.edu (Keith Edwards)
Subject: Re: SPARC (NeXT : -) 10
Reply-To: keith@cc.gatech.edu
Organization: Georgia Tech Multimedia Computing Group
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:25:36 GMT

In article 5876@tamsun.tamu.edu, curtis@accnxt1.tamu.edu (Curtis Johnson) writes:
>$18,000 probably wouldn't get you a Sparc10 that was too powerful, the  
>multiprocessor versions are around $50,000+ if I remember correctly

Well, if you don't consider 86 MIPS "too powerful."  :-)

Sorry, don't mean to offend anyone in this group, but the SS 10 is a killer
machine speed-wise.

-keith


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave Griffiths)
Subject: Re: NT / NeXT trivia
Organization: Primitive Software Ltd.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:14:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.221759.275@nimno.wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes:
>
>NeXTSTEP 486 was on display (once again) at the Seybold show in San  
>Francisco this week. I had been reading the discussion on the net about  
>Windows capability in NS486. So, just to see what the NeXT rep giving  
>the demo would say, I asked if NS486 could run Windows apps. The reply?  
>"No." "Will it be able to," I asked. "No." 
>
>I don't think that he gave the correct answer, and I wonder why he was  
>being so coy. This seems like such an obvious thing - it seems pretty  
>ludicrous to suggest running a PC emulator on a real PC in order to run  
>Windows.
>

When I was at NeXT Expo back in January I asked a salesman who was demoing
NS486 the same question. He seemed surprised and said something along the
lines of "Gee that's a good question, I hadn't thought about that - I don't
know". He didn't seem to be joking either.

It's a lot of work to supply DOS and Windows capability for NS486, and it's
my guess that it's too much for NeXT. We'll probably have to buy a special
new version of SoftPC. That's why NeXT can promise that the ability to
run Windows programs will be there, but become coy on details.

Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket)
Subject: Re: Help: recovering next-mail
Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 local 1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:25:39 GMT

Andrew T Duchowski (andrewd@tamsun.tamu.edu) wrote:
: I don't recall seeing this in the FAQ, but I suppose it may have
: been asked before.  Sorry if I missed it earlier,
: 
: Suppose someone sends me next-mail to my non-next machine.  Mail
: gets it as a uuendocde file, ie.:
: 
: begin 666 .tar.611.file.attach
: MSF*SDF)*(+GfSDF()*GSD)_S(GS...
: 
: Is there anyway to resend this to a Next machine so that it properly
: arrives as next-mail?...

The "elm" mailer has a command named "bounce" that works just fine.

Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: andrewd@tamsun.tamu.edu (Andrew T Duchowski)
Subject: Playing Audio CD's on CDPlayer app (painlessly)
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:36:07 GMT


Sorry - forgot what the original subject was...

Referring to the elapsed time note that JG (or GJ) made, you can click
on the disc icon in the CDPlayer conrtol box.  This will tell you 
three things:
1. how much time you've eaten up in the current selection
   (this is usually someting like 0:00 to 4:05 if the song is 4:05
   long - the disc icon will show a little pie wedge)
2. how much time you've eaten up of the whole disk
   (this is in the range 0:00 to 1:05:48 if the whole disc contains
   an hour and 5 mins, 48s of play.  This will show about where you
   are on the disk - sort of like the pie display of Installer.app)
3. how much time there is total on the whole disk - this is just a 
   constant

I suppose you can figure out on the last song how time there is in
the song.  Other than that, I don't think it will count down for you.
A really good version of a CDPlayer is on the iris running irix
5.0.x I believe.  It also lets you keep a library of programs for 
your favorite CDs.  This is not a plug or anything (standard
disclaimers apply).  The NeXT dudes should check it out for an idea
of how to improve CDPlayer for NS3.1...

-atd
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: todd@liveware.com
Subject: Re: WHICH multimedia hypertext systems to use???
Keywords: Wait for HyperSense from Thoughtful Software USA
Reply-To: todd@liveware.com
Organization: Liveware Corporation   Fort Collins, CO.  USA.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:03:36 GMT

In article <BvnAF2.8n3@cosy.sbg.ac.at> bnocker@puma.cosy.sbg.ac.at (Bernhard  
Nocker) writes:
> 
> Hi all!
> 
> We are looking for multimedia hypertext systems.
> We have seen the CraftMan Demo and were impressed but not yet satisfied!
>  
> Which one are you using, for what, where to get them, advantages,  
> disadvantages???
> 
> Please reply and I will summarize!
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Bernhard.
> --
> Bernhard Nocker                          Beware root :-)
> University of Salzburg's Department of Computing Studies
> Jakob-Haringerstr. 5	5020 Salzburg    Austria, Europe
> +43-662-8044/6750		  bnocker@cosy.sbg.ac.at

Well, I have a few opinions.  I am posting this to the group
because I feel it is important.

Please wait for HyperSense (formerly HyperCube) from Thoughtful
Software, USA.  HyperSense is a complete HyperCard compatible
HyperText programming and user tool.  It is cool, and you can
get more info about it from the authors at Thoughtful Software
by sending mail to <mishelle@thoughtful.com> and ask for
more info.

The program is very powerful, flexible, and yes I do work
on the project so this post is highly biased.  Delitefully so
I might ask.

Todd Nathan
Liveware Corporation
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: aozer@next.com (Ali Ozer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: 3.0 FontPanel acceleration is broken (BUG!!?)
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:38:42 GMT
Organization: Next Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Oct4.043034.213@parsec.mixcom.com> alberto@parsec.uucp writes:
>From the Developer Release Notes/AppKit:
>	  The FontPanel, when key, will select in the Family scrolling list when  
>	   you type the first few characters of a family name.
>Well, What am I missing here. When key (titlebar is black) typing will just  
>change the size attribute rather than select the font. Anyone got a better way?

This would work if you could ever get the size field not be selected. Unfortunately,
you can't. 

Rather than a bug, I'd call this a feature you can't use. Sigh.

Ali, Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Is HSD still there?
Date: 26 Sep 92 05:17:58 GMT
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Distribution: na,local
Organization: Metrosoft

In article <1992Sep24.191606.3748@arizona.edu>  
d_mc%McCube.tucson.az.us@arizona.edu (Don McCollam) writes:
> Hi, folks,
> 
> Has anyone heard from HSD lately?  I've recently posted several e-mail  
> messages to them; but haven't gotten any replies.  HSD folks used to  
> respond promptly; so I'm a bit worried.
> 

Well they have a nifty full-page color ad in the new issue of NeXTWORLD.

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From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Dropping bundled applications (was: Re: 3.0 and WriteNow)
Date: 4 Oct 92 03:03:34 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

I wrote
> come on, the software that came with your original cube
> still works.  they just don't give it to new customers.
> Actually, this gradual unbundling is a good sign.
 
Stephen Anderson replied

> Sorry Alex, but at least one thing that was unbundled doesn't still
> work: lisp. It was broken as of 2.0; Franz came up with a fix (which
> NeXT didn't ship to upgrade customers for a LoNG time after Franz had
> provided it. Now the upgraded version is broken in 3.0, with no
> indication of any solution in sight.

As far as I know, Lisp is the only unbundled software that doesn't
continue to work.  Both WriteNow and Mathematica continue to evolve and
WRI offers upgrades to existing users at reasonable rates.
I'm sorry that Franz is not supporting their software, but I think
it is misdirected to blame NeXT for that.  They have some obligation
to make it possible to run their software under new OS releases,
but also have an obligation to their investors to obtain a return on that investment.

In the end we all get better software from a healthy competitive market
Who would want to invest in a startup word processor product
if an adequate one came bundled with every machine?  
What incentive do you have to improve your product if you have a captive market
and no competitors?  Do you really want any one company - even NeXT -
deciding what companies and software deserve to prosper, and which
ones all users need to own?  How could anyone do that well, even if well intentioned?
(damn, I'm starting to sound like a Republican (: )

If NeXT deserves any flames in this, its for not pushing Franz hard to
provide at least a minimal upgrade path for their existing customers.
(or make sure that 3.0 was upwardly compatible with respect to Lisp)
I actually think it was very progressive of them to bundle so much software
in the early days, but it wouldn't be a good thing forever.

> I really can't agree that unbundling things like lisp and Sybase (let
> alone WriteNow) is a good sign.

WriteNow and as far as I know Sybase still work.
People can still purchase them - or competing products.
Free copies are just no longer included with every hardware purchase.
This is a sign that the platform is maturing.

There is starting (finally) to be a selection of decent software
to choose from, and less reason to provide new purchasers a security
blanket because they fear being orphaned.  There may be some initial
pain, but its all part of (NeXT's) growing up.

Followups to comp.sys.next.advocacy
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From: rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce #305)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Splitting a large .ps file
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:24:10 GMT
Reply-To: rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce #305)
Organization: Cookson, Peirce & Co., Pittsburgh, PA

I have a large .ps file I want to break up into "chapters" and put in
DL.  I find I can load the file into preview and use the print & save
commands to save pieces.  However, when I try to load anything but the
first piece I get an error message that the page numbers are out of
order.  The header seems to be duplicated for each piece so I can't see
why I can't read them.

If anybody knows, (1) how can I modify the header for each piece so I can
bring it up in preview, or (2) what other tool can I use to split this
file?

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From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: 3.0 and WriteNow
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:22:57 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <dillon.0ob8@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) writes:
>    Ah! I was about to mail you on that... since I've *only* got a 3.0
>    machine it's kind of hard to read those docs :-)
>
>    In the interim could you just sto it as postscript on sonata?

I have left a compressed PostScript version of the manual on
sonata.cc.purdue.edu in the /pub/next/submissions directory.  I have
not yet decided what format future versions will be in, but its likely
to be in RTFD.

louie
From: demarco@fsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Vince Demarco)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: BUG: Font Panel's font list is broken under 3.0
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:00:14 GMT
Organization: University of Calgary


lbrahm@denver.cba.du.edu (Lans Brahmantyo) Writes:
>I have more than 300 fonts that are usually available under the
>Font Panel 2.1. However, after isntalling 3.0 and did buildafmdir
>again, only all fonts before Times are displayed/listed (my Tekton,
>Zapf Dingbats, Zapf Chancery, etc did not show up). I checked the
>.fontdirectory files (in NextLibrary/Fonts and /LocalLibrary/Fonts)
>and they do not contain the fontname further than Times.

I had the same problem, the fix is to get buildafmdir from your 2.X
disk, and install and use the old version of the program instead.

This bug was in PR2 also, but it seems that either no-one reported it
or NeXT didn't bother to fix it.

vince

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: sherwood@fenris.space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford)
Subject: Re:  Dropping bundled applications (was: Re: 3.0 and WriteNow) (long)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:33:04 GMT


Years ago, back in the Dark Ages, when I was but a pup, I  
bought my first computer.  IBM's were awfully expensive,  
brand new, and it wasn't clear at all they were worth the  
powder it would take to blow them to hell.

The standard of the time was CP/M based machines.  Not  
terribly standard.  Heck, there were some hundred different  
floppy disk formats, but some 80% of the stuff would run  
everywhere, if you could load it.

I ended up with a Kaypro 10.  It came with WordStar,  
CalcStar, ...  dBase II, SuperCalc...  The value of the  
CP/M packages was at list almost twice what I paid for the  
computer.  

Mr. Kay made a LOT of money with that line of machines at a  
time when he came into the market late, and no-one had much  
market share.  

If Mr. Jobs wants this machine to sell, it should have  
middle of the road capability in all the areas it claims to  
excell in, right out of the box.  Thus it should have a  
reasonable word processor, spreadsheet, bit image twidler,  
drawing program,...

The spreadsheet doesn't have to be Improv.  The Word  
processor doesn't have to be FrameMaker.  The drawing  
package doesn't have to be Create.  But I should be able  
use spreadsheet to make a simple table with totals; hack up  
some quick illustrations with a simple drawing program; and  
put the whole thing in a word processor, and get a decent  
looking report with captioned tables.

By the way, Mr. Kay went bankrupt when he tried competing  
for commodity market PC's.  I hope that part of the analogy  
doens't hold up.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: wag1@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (d.wagley)
Subject: Re: Pathetic news from NeXT--what's new??
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:06:08 GMT
Summary: early bird

In article <SOWA.92Sep30105336@amdew.llnl.gov>, sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa) writes:
> >>>>> "Mike" == Mike Matthews <matthews@oberon.umd.edu> writes:
> 
> Mike> In article <joer.36.717781768@inca.law.csuohio.edu> joer@inca.law.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) writes:
> Mike> I ordered a CD ROM well before 8/1/92 and I'll have to wait too.
> 
> Nyah. I ordered mine in May and picked it up the NeXT day. I endured a
> lot of flack from people who said it would be useless for months until
> 3.0 came out. Me, I just smiled and played with some ISO-9660 disks for
> a few months. Did ya ever think there might be a rush near the end?
> --
> erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov)

Me too. I figured that if I waited until 3.0 came out the order
might take a while. The player sat for a few months until I got
the 3.0 CD-ROM, but I'm happy now. :-)

 				Doug


Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: todd@liveware.com
Subject: Re: BlackHole fans!
Keywords: SuperHack Goodbye?
Reply-To: todd@liveware.com
Organization: Liveware Corporation   Fort Collins, CO.  USA.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:23:44 GMT

In article <BvFxEK.Eup@gate.demon.co.uk> paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch)  
writes:
> I haven't tried this, because I don't really want to change my recycler  
> icon, but....
> 
> Has anyone taken a look inside /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app and  
> /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app in 3.0?
> 
> There are some interesting icons in there: recycler.tiff, and  
> trash.[1-3].alpha.tiff, apart from lots of other interesting bundles and  
> things.  Purely speculation, but changing these for some BlackHole tiffs  
> might be an interesting experiment.
> 
> Paul
> -- 
> Paul Lynch
> P & L Systems                        (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk
> Tel: (0494)671501                           paull@cix.compulink.co.uk
> Fax: (0494)680228                            76711.451@compuserve.com

The question might now be, what about SuperHack.  I guess we won't
see it as a commercial software product.  But another question
which I must ask, is there hooks for these actions (like putting
stuff in and emptying the recycler?).  It would be cool to play
a turbo flush sound (you know, the toilet bowl sound in most
public restrooms ;') when emtpying the recycler.

Todd Nathan
From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Converting palettes
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:11:36 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland University College


I have posted a set of instructions for converting 2.1 palettes
to 3.0 to comp.sys.next.programmer. Anyone who is interested should
see post # 7099.

Charlie
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tlc@cx5.com
Subject: On SW for NRW
Keywords: software, NeXT RISC workstation
Reply-To: tlc@cx5.com
Organization: CX5 (San Francisco)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:16:57 GMT


The reason I was asking if software running on an 040-cube would run on the  
upcoming NeXT RISC-based workstation was for two reasons: 

1) My system is monochrome. I would like to get a color NeXT machine (decided,  
wisely it seems, against the NeXTdimension), and have pretty much decided to  
wait to see the RISC machines before investing in the current color offerings.  
With the speed ratings (~200 MIPS) being brandied about in comp.sys.x, it seems  
as if these machines will be most appropriate for my intended usage (high-end  
graphics/animation/post-production).

2) I saw some very interesting software at Seybold San Francisco recently:  
Retouche (image processing from 3K Computerbild), Stylist (page layout from  
Archetype), announcements for several 3D modeling packages (including Stone  
Designs' 3Dreality) and several CAD packages in short, many of the applications  
I have been waiting for on this platform for 2-3 years now. This was very  
exciting, even if it is probably 6 or 8 months before this stuff really  
happens... But to get back to the point, I was very hesitant to purchase, or  
intend to purchase, any of these applications unless they will run on the RISC  
machines (assuming for a moment that my future NeXT color system will indeed be  
a RISC machine).

The several replies I got directly or saw posted confirmed my suspicion that  
software compiled to run on 040 machines will not run on RISC machines. Would  
any developers out there care to comment on how they indend to deal  
(financially) with this issue? For example, will you send out two versions in  
the same packaging, offer a reasonable fee (say on the order of an "upgrade"  
price) for purchasing both versions of the same package, or at the very least a  
nominal charge for license-type use on two different machines?

On a related note: I think that the RISC machine will be able to be networked  
with my Cube (right?). Is it going to be possible to, say, model on the Cube  
and render on the RISC (or vice versa), or any other foreseeable combinations  
of using these machines in tandem? I'm thinking here of distributed computing,  
which seems like such a good idea for really using these machines together. Is  
there going to be some conflict because the systems use different CPUs? Pardon  
my ignorance if this is obvious, I am not an engineer...

I look forward to your replies,

Thierry Castro
tlc@cx5.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: dbbrown@eastrg2.cray.com (Dan Brown)
Subject: Digital Librarian and nroff files.
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:08:32 CDT

I think someone has mentioned this before. I am having problems with
Digital Librarian indexing my man pages (nroff format). Is there a
work around for this? Is there something special I should do that
I should be aware of?

             Dan Brown (dbbrown@eastrg2.cray.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: heller@heller.slip.uiuc.edu (Helmut Heller)
Subject: how to permanently learn new words?
Reply-To: heller@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:17:21 GMT
Keywords: spell checker

Hello,
since I upgraded to 3.0 it seems that the spell checker (CMD-;) forgets  
"learn"ed words from one session to the other. I know for sure that it used  
to remember them indefinately under the old OS version. 

Do I have to do anything special to make it remember new words from one  
session to the next? Do other people have the same problem?

Thanks

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Phone: (217)244-6914        -------------------------------------------------
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: wfp@jupiter.claremont.edu (W. Frank Price III)
Subject: Message Center functional?
Reply-To: wprice@pomona.claremont.edu
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:01:41 GMT

I just hooked up my new Hayes ISDN Extender.  Very cool looking unit by the  
way (small, black, etc...).  Like most people, I probably wont be seeing ISDN  
here for a long while.  So I hooked up a POTS line to the appropriate port,  
and ran the MessageCenter demo from 3.0.  Every time I run it, it asks me if I  
have an ISDN Extender hooked up and I say yes.  Anyway, it then goes into its  
waiting mode.  But if I then pick up the phone, I hear this tone that sounds  
kind of like a dial tone but much higher.  Not always however, sometimes I can  
call and it will pickup with the message, but it doesn't record anything and  
it never hangs up when the caller hangs up (it takes a few minutes to do so  
anyway).  I have noticed the following messages in console.log after the first  
time I ran it:
---
Sep 30 10:47:57 jupiter kern_loader: kern_loader: server named isdn already  
exists
isdn kernel server initialized

Sep 30 10:47:57 jupiter kern_loader: kern_loader: server named isdn already  
exists
isdn:  Starting client thread


----
The next time I ran it:
---


Sep 30 10:50:12 jupiter syslog: POTS Module already inited
kill_threads

---
and the third time...
---



Sep 30 10:52:20 jupiter syslog: POTS Module already inited
kill_threads

---

If anyone has gotten this to work, I'd be interested in the secret.  

-- Frank
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