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From: prescott@rtsg.mot.com (Audrey Prescott)
Subject: pinto vs. paint
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:52:56 GMT

Thanks to everyone for the responses I received on the difference 
between paints and pintos.   The answer I got that says it the 
simplist is:

Simple: paint  has either quarter horse or thoroughbred in it's breeding
        pinto  is all breeds.


Thanks to all who helped me out!  I knew there was an easy answer!

Audrey Carroll  (with the gray and the buckskin...)
From: wcollins@netcom.com (Walter J. Collins)
Subject: Re: Emergency Dismount (was:  What to do about fear)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:00:27 GMT


I'd like to add a fwe comments to the emergency dismount discussion.

First of all, I don't think it was mentioned yet, but it is extremely
important that you kick your feet free of the stirrups before
you try to dismount.  Make sure both feet are free of the stirrups
before dismounting, not just the foot you are bringing over the horse's
back.  This is actually a good idea anytime you dismount, not just during
an emergency dismount.

Another thing I've seen recommended a few times,altho I've never
tried it myself yet, is that you practice *falling* from the horse.
An emergency dismount generally assumes that you have a secure seat,
but your horse is out of control.  However, sometimes you'll have no
warning before things are totally out of hand and you may already
be falling off the horse.  Like I said, I havne't gotten around to
learning this myself yet, so I'm not sure about the details, but
as I recall, the basic idea is learning how to hit the ground rolling,
if it turns out to be impossible to hit the ground on your feet.

I think that's all I have to add.  Now I'd like to throw in a question
that I've been opndering for a while.

I was taught that one should always try to keep a hold of the reins
even if you decide to bail out or fall off.  I think the idea was
that at least the horse didn't get loose.  However, recently I've
been questioning the wisdom of this.  Catching a loose horse is a
pain if they don't want to be caught, but I think safety should be
the primary concern.  I htink that holding on to the reins might
make the rider more likely to be drug on the ground by the horse.
Of course, if that started to happen, you could just let go, but what
if you'd gotten tangled in the reins somehow?  If you hit the ground
rolling, it doens't seem unlikely that a rein could get wrapped
around your hand or wrist.  Also, holding onto the reins limits
your ability to get away from the horse and stay out from underneath
it.

Also, while my concern with this is much less than the safety issue,
it seems that holding on to the reins is likely to give the horse a 
real hard hit in the mouth.  I guess one could say the horse deserves
it for running away, but if they are running out of fear, the pain
seems only likely to intensify the fear.  If the horse is running
out of maliciousnes, then a hard hit in the mouth might help, but
I'd prefer to find a gentler way of coping with the problem, and a
more controlled one.  I wonder how much one insteance of being
abused in the mouth would affect later training.  

Does anyone have any comments on this issue?  What have you all
been told regarding whether or not try try to keep a hold of the
reins when you fall off or bail out?

Casey
(Kristin Harvey)
-- 
wcollins@netcom.netcom.com  < Walt Collins / Kristin Harvey >
1011 New Hope St., #12-C  |  Norristown, PA  19401  |  (215)277-2567
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: clever@sequent.com (Cathy Cleverley)
Subject: Re: Ugly Secretariat offspring
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:05:52 GMT

dmhowe01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

>> Besides, it took an App mare to get Secretariat to get it up.  :^)

>*choke* *gasp* *giggle*  ;^>
>
>> Mary Lee Raines
>> Ravenswood Appaloosas

>Deena Howe
>and Smokey (as an App, he'd definitely be amused!)


I tried to follow up on Sue's post about the ugly Secretariat, but it
was gone, alas!  Anyway,~

As I'm sure all of you have seen/know, Secretariat himself was one
fine example of a horse - he was gorgeous.  Unfortunately, he didn't
stamp his babies with his own fine qualities.  The farm I worked for
had the ugliest Secretariat filly you'll ever want to see.  She was a
touch roman nosed (don't know where she got it from) and had the most
crooked legs from the knee down that I've ever seen.~

She did go to the races - briefly.  She was sold at Keeneland last
fall, in foal to Seattle Song for around $20,000.  I was amazed!
Somebody obviously bought her on paper.~

The sorry thing is that I also know all her brothers and sisters and
she is the ugliest one of the bunch!  (they are by in chron order for
you TB people (following up on the colour thread, what talent to mix
two threads together :-) I've included their colours.  The mare,
Golden Skate is a chestnut)

Colt 1988 bay by Dixieland Band~
Filly 1989 - chestnut by Secretariat~
Filly 1990 - chestnut by Vice Regent~
Colt - 1991 - chestnut by Spend A Buck~
Colt - 1992 - bay by Saratoga Six~

Currently in foal to Regal Classic - that should be a chestnut.~
--
Cathy Cleverley                                 clever@sequent.com
Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.          +1 416 629-4000
"An expert is anyone more than 100 miles~
from home with a set of slides"
From: jsnyder@cadev5.intel.com (Jan Snyder )
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Looking for Peruvian Paso or Paso Fino folk.
Keywords: Paso
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:37:05 GMT
Organization: Intel Santa Clara Design Technology


In all these great bios I haven't seen anyone else who has one of the
gaited Spanish breeds.  Are any of you lurkers out there in this
category?  I remember a year or two ago there was someone whose .sig
line indicated a Paso connection--was that Bill Gorman?  Is he still
around on one of the mailing lists?

I'd love to chat with other Paso fanciers, since I just bought a
Peruvian mare last fall and am quite delighted with her gait and
personality.

-Sallijan
 and Picardia ("Mischief"), called Peeky because she's always
 peeking out from behind her long forelock.

-
Sallijan Snyder, Wordware Engineer | "I don't let my employer take credit for my opinions."
Santa Clara, California            | (408) 765-5444 voicemail    (408) 629-5909 home robot
Internet: jsnyder@scdt.intel.com   |          =>Internet Z-Car Club Member #42<=
From: irod@ourbeach.Eng.Sun.COM (Irma Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Reader Bio's
Summary: Spanish Riding School - need info
Keywords: how to visit
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:00:16 GMT
Reply-To: irod@ourbeach.Eng.Sun.COM
Followup-To: rec.equestrian
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ourbeach


Does anyone know who I can call or where I can information on 
visiting the Spanish Riding School in Vienna? My fiance has
suprised me with a trip to Europe for my birthday next month,
and the only place I *really* care about seeing is the school.

Do I need to buy tickets in advance?
How do I find out what the performance schedule is (assuming they are
doing public performances)?
If we can't visit the school, where else should I visit?

ANY information will be greatly appreciated! Please reply to
irma.rodriguez@Sun.COM and I will summarize for the alias!


THANKS!

 - Irma Rodriguez 
	(saving my pennies for a flea-bitten gray)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: razm@ncs.dnd.ca (Michael Raz)
Subject: WHAT IS FERMENTED HAY?
Keywords: HAY FERMENTED
Organization: DND, Ottawa, CANADA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:05:58 GMT

My horse developed a mild respiratory infection about 3 months ago and
once we cleared it up he became slightly sensitive to the mold/dust in
hay.  We put him on cubes which he does eat but not with a great deal of
enthusiasm and I don't feel he gets the bulk he would get from hay.  I
have recently tried him back on hay but soaking and rinsing it in hot
water 2 to 3 times before feeding and so far so good.  My question has
to do with fermented hay.  What is it and how is it made?  I have heard
that it is excellent for sensitive horses and was also told that it is
simply silo hay.  Anyone have any information on it?  Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: clever@sequent.com (Cathy Cleverley)
Subject: Re: Ugly Secretariat offspring
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:47:47 GMT

z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:

>Most of the Secretariat offspring that I've seen for stud are fairly good
>looking Hunters.  It seems his get are more into the hunting scene.

>There is a Stallion by him named Bureau here who looks pretty good.

There is a stallion here name Beautariat.  Wonder if he's any
relation?~

This is not to say that Secretariat did not produce lovely offspring
who raced, in fact far from it.  There is an article in the Jan 16
issue of Blood Horse on S.  He was the leading Broodmare sire of
1992.  He has really made his reputation as a broodmare sire.~

quoting from the article:~

"Sixty-four percent of the foals from Secretariat broodmares race,
44% of them win, and 6% of them win stakes.  The average of the breed
is approximately 2.5% stakes winners from foals."~

Secretariat sons at stud (TB racing) include General Assembly (21
stakes winners), D'Accord (12), Executive Order (9), Medaille d'Or
(8) and Pancho Villa (4).  There are also 8 more who's offspring will
only reach the track next year, including champion Risen Star.  Until
last year Lady's Secret (a Sec.  daughter) was the winningest filly in
the history of racing.  That honour is now held by Dance Smartly.

The most successful cross has been between sons of Northern Dancer
and daughters of Secretariat.  These include Chief's Crown, Secreto,
Summer Squall, Storm Cat (leading juvenile sire of 1992), and
Timeoto.  A.P. Indy (probable Horse of the Year) is from a
Secretariat mare, Weekend Surprise.~

So, although you may see Secretariat offspring in the hunter ring,
the majority (particularly the distaff side) are staying in the TB
racing barns.

>This reminds me about Alydar and Affirmed.  Affirmed may have beat him on the
>track, but Alydar got even on the breeding farm.:)

Absolutely.  Alydar was the leading sire of 1991.  He also throws
beautiful babies.  We have an Alydar (Alylady - out of Sally's Ride)
and she is gorgeous!~

We also have an Affirmed mare that we bred.  She was a total loss at
the track.  The owner's 10 yr old daughter rides her and she is in
foal to our pony teasing stallion.  Lovely disposition (when she
doens't have a foal by side).  On the other hand, Eclispe finalist
Flawlessly is a daugher of Affirmed :-)


(can you tell where my interest lies :-)
--
Cathy Cleverley                                 clever@sequent.com
Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.          +1 416 629-4000
"An expert is anyone more than 100 miles~
from home with a set of slides"
From: jen187@its.CSIRO.AU (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: gif update part 2
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:06:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: its.C1HErB.HyI
Organization: CSIRO ITS


GIF UPDATE PART 2
-----------------

This is part 2 of the regular gif update. Part one contains more
gifs. Part 3 (next message) contains the instructions on how to
get the gifs.

There is a file called giflist.one available for ftp which lists
all the gifs currently avaialble. (There are now 82)


[][][][][][][]  SOMETHING NEW   SOMETHING NEW   [][][][][][][][][][]

John Mares has been collecting and compiling the many rec.equ bios
that have been coming in lately. He has uploaded them to my Sun and
they are now available for ftp just like the gifs. When you call in
look for a file called   rebios2.txt   This is a plain ascii text
file that you can read with virtually any text editor or word
processor. 

[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]


[][][][][][][][][][] WANTED WANTED WANTED WANTED [][][][][][][][][]

I have been asked for pictures of Donkeys. If anyone out there has
such pictures as gifs I'd like to get them to round out the collection.
If you have some donkey gifs and you can ftp, I'd appreciate hearing
about it. Please e-mail me. Thanks.

[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]



------------------- MORE IN THE OZARAB SERIES -----------------------

ozarab17.gif    -    On the beach
ozarab18.gif    -    "Hmmmmm, I wonder if I can eat that? ..."
ozarab19.gif    -    'Simply Irresistable'  is the girls name.
ozarab20.gif    -    Classic Egyptian.
ozarab21.gif    -    Nothing dull about this grey.
ozarab22.gif    -    Extended trot?  No problem.

---------------------------------------------------------------------


NEW AS AT  JAN 17  1993
------------------------

idaho1.gif      -   Sent by Ellen Osinski from Idaho USA. Some friends
idaho2.gif      -   on day rides in Idaho. Also some pics of her
warrior1.gif    -   husband's appaloosa. 
warrior2.gif    -

bronc.gif       -   Good action shot sent by Ken Carver USA.
canyon.gif      -   Some people riding into the Grand Canyon.
canyon2.gif     -   Hi-res version of above. Also from Ken Carver USA

---------------------------------------------------------------------


[][][][][]   See Part 3 For Instuctions on Getting The GIFs   [][][][][]


ENJOY!

 
-- 

|  Graham Jenkins          |  graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au           | 
|  CSIRO                   |  (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | 
|  Canberra,  AUSTRALIA    |  Research Organisation)                |
From: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Dateline, NBC 1/19/93 10pm
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:41:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel Corp

In article <93020.142508GMG7@psuvm.psu.edu>, GMG7@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
|> Did anyone watch the Dateline on Tuesday night?  Was the equine insurance
|> fraud story on?  I missed beginning of the program, so I'm not sure if I just
|> missed that particular story or if it just wasn't on.
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> 
|> --Gina M. Giansante

Yes, it was on.  The entire first 30 minutes was devoted to it.  I thought it
was quite grusome the way they were describing different methods to kill a
horse to make it look "accidental".  They showed pictures of some of the dead
horses.  Needless to say, I watched the entire 30 minutes through tears (but
when it comes to animals, I am really a sob-head).  They did interview one
killer-for-money who is in the process of naming lots of BIG names in the horse
industry who have paid him to kill their horses.  Several of the owners are
ex-Olympic teammembers.  When the investigation is finished, I hope they do
a follow-up story. 

***************************************************
	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
***************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: templin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Templin Geri-Ellen)
Subject: Spooking and Liability
Keywords: liability
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:31:38 GMT

I had an exceptionally scarey experience with Belle last weekend and now
that my blood-pressure is back to normal, I started coming up with some
not-too-pleasant questions which I'm sure you guys can answer...

I was leading Belle across a 2-lane highway, following another horse. The
place where I have to cross is at the top of a hill, so the oncoming cars
don't have alot of time to see horses on the shoulder. We had gotten across
ok and I heard a car coming up behind us so I was talking to Belle to keep
her calm. I know she heard the car, but as it got closer she lost it and
spun around in front of me and into the path of the car. The car swerved to
miss her and she slipped on the asphalt, falling onto her side. 

We got ourselves back together and down the driveway in one piece. She was
(as usual) much calmer about the whole thing than me, after I stopped 
shaking I checked her out but she only had a couple of scrapes on her legs
where she fell.

My question - which surfaced MUCH later - was, if god-forbid, knock on wood,
the car had hit her, how does the liability work? I live in Colorado, and
I know laws are different all over but I wanted a general idea. I have no
insurance on Belle, just the normal car-house insurance. Belle is boarded out
so my homeowner's insurance wouldn't cover anything... When a car hits a deer
there's no real liability, so how does it work with horses? I'd like the 
answer to include things like Belle stomping on a guest....etc....

geri (still shaking) & Belle


Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: gerryt@westford.ccur.com (Gerry Toledo)
Subject: Re: Biography
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp.  Westford, MA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:15:24 GMT





	Hi, my name is Gerardo Toledo I am 25, and I have been an avid
	reader for about six months. I work in Engineering at Concurrent
	Computer Corp. in Westford Ma. and I too have been a horse lover
	since early childhood. Although, I had read everything I could
	get my hands on about horses and riding techniques, I didn't
	actually begin lessons until last August and now I can't get 
 	enough.

	Horses were always a peaceful haven to daydream about when I 
	needed to get away from the reality of life. Then I met Theresa,
	who is now my wife. She had lived what I only dreamed about. She
	had been a barn brat all of her life at a training stable in her
	hometown. She had given it up in high school when her parents
	could no longer afford to lease a horse for her. She would get 
	really down in the dumps when she saw eventing on television
	and realized that we might never afford to get her there again.
	I soon promised her that I would get her the horse, and on her
	own property to boot.

	I threw my plan into high gear when I heard that her old trainer
	was selling his 25 acre horse farm. That deal did not work out
	and he ended up taking it off the market. We promptly found a
	50 acre property with capacity for 17 horses that had been used
	as strictly a boarding facility. The owner, after many years in
	the business, had ramped down from a full barn of 17 horses to
	4. With the exception that there was no arena, everything was
	perfect. We wasted no time in completing the purchase and closed
	in late August. Let me tell you that I don't think either of us
	has ever been happier. We have 6 borders and 2 horses of our own.
	Our babies are Chickory (Princess), a 4 year old thoroughbred mare,
	and Tri's Love, a 17 year old Standardbred mare. Aside from our
	one lesson each per week we mostly ride on the trails on and
	around our property. 

	So now we are faced with the fact that we need at least an outdoor
	arena in order to attract more borders, but its tough to attract
	more borders without the arena. 

	Well, I'm sorry this got so long. I really struggled to get it down
	to this length. I would love to pen pal with anyone (Kyle?) who has
	experienced some of the pitfalls of the horse business. Or any
	local horse people?

	
	




	GerryT <-{ Winding Brook Farm }->
From: ae361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sonya Paetzel)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: which magazines?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 12:59:00 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


The magazines i read are:
PRACTICAL HORSEMAN- they cover interesting topics for both
   show riders as well as pleasure riders. My favorite
   sections are THE THINKING HORSEMAN and the training 
   series with well-known trainers (although I don't always
   like or agree with what they say or do, it is fun to
   read about different training techniques). I read just
   about everything in the magazine

THE CHRONICLE OF THE HORSE- a weekly magazine i always really
   look forward to getting. My favorite sections are the 
   editorials and the artcles by Cooky McClung.  It is a great
   source for advertisers and have successfully advertised my
   horses in it. I also love reading the horse show results.
   I don't always read  the magazine from cover to cover 
   because often there are articles and things that do not
   intereest me (ie, racing results, driving articles).  It
   is also a hassle to read if you are running low on time.
   I often have a stack of them accumulate if I am extremely
   busy.

Well, those are the magazines I read.  As far as PRACTICAL
HORSEMAN goes, I feel i get my $ worth.  THE CHRONICLE
OF THE HORSE is somewhat expensive and although  it is a
great magazine i am really thinking of not renewing.

Sonja
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: templin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Templin Geri-Ellen)
Subject: Re: which magazines?
Keywords: good horse magazine
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:48:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.162358.13639@cas.org> mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee Raines) writes:

>Chronicle of the Horse (for Thoroughbred information)
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^

 The Chronicle is a horse sport magazine covering dressage,
breeding, eventing, hunting, jumping, steeplechasing and
driving. It's not particularly Thoroughbred oriented...

geri
From: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Purchasing a Horse
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:49:44 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp


My girlfriend sold her 6-month old filly last summer.  In the sale contract,
she specified that the buyer had to give her first refusal if/when he sold
the filly.  Last night, we found out the filly is for sale, and he has yet
to offer the filly to my girlfriend.  Since it was in the contract, does she
for any recourse?  I am also posting this to misc.legal since it is really
a legal question but I thought someone on the net may have dealt with this
in the past and could give some advice.

***************************************************
	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
***************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: cicarell@spk.hp.com (Collen Cicarell)
Subject: Basic Dressage Question
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:18:10 GMT


Summary: 
Keywords: 
Okay, I will really be revealing my ignorance here, but what do the different
levels in Dressage mean?  Training level seems pretty self-explanatory, but
I can't figure out from the posts I've been reading what the rest of them
mean.  Also, how is it scored?  I took one dressage lesson on an "upper
level horse" that seemed to be really good, I had a blast!  I'm now riding
the same horse over fences, which is my love right now, but would like to
have some more practicaL knowledge about dressage, and maybe get into it 
later when time and $$$ permit.  I keep meaning to go to the library for
books about it, but haven't managed to yet, so in the meantime, I know that
there is a LOT of knowledge here on the net.

Thanks a lot,
Colleen Cicarelli
Spokane, WA