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From: bing@coos.dartmouth.edu (Chris Bingham)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Rackmount sampler recommendations
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:02:05 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.synth
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I'm soliciting info/opinions/recommendations on inexpensive rackmount
samplers.  My requirements are: 12bit/40kHz or better, multitimbral,
3.5" drive, and price of around $1000 or less.  Things I know of but
would love to hear more about are the Akai S900, Roland S-330, Peavey
SP/SX and Yamaha TX-16W.  I don't care to hear about the Roland MKS-100,
Ensoniq Mirack, or Akai S612 (I'm upgrading from an S-10, yuck).
Obviously, I don't care whether the unit is new or used or is still in
production (as long as disks are still available somewhere in the world).
Cheaper is better, generally.  Of course, if anyone has something for
sale, I'd like to hear about that, too.  Reply via email and I'll consolidate
and post the summary.  Thanks!

Chris

bing@apple.com       Software Engineer, Mac System Software
bing@dartmouth.edu   Class of '92
From: tsw1@Isis.MsState.Edu (Thomas S Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: WANTED: midi foot controller
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:46:39 GMT
Reply-To: wilson@ee.msstate.edu
Organization: I'm not very organized!

You see.. I've been having a little trouble with keeping my feet under contol,
and I hear there are these midi contorllers... ummm never mind...

I was wondering if any one is wanting to get rid of a midi foot controller?


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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Michael Zacherl
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 15:37:45 GMT


Michael,
          my email to you keeps bouncing back ! I have the patches
you wanted. Please email me your mailing address. Also, please mail info
on the Kenton Electronics MIDI -> CV convertors, eg. specs, price,
comments, contact address, etc.). Thanks.


Shiv
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Parting with old synths
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:28:32 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Sep1.024200.9487@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> nsw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Neil Weinstock) writes:
>How do you part with an old synth?
>[...]
>So what do folks out there do who turn over a lot of instruments all the
>time?  Do you redo old sequences or just retire them?  Do you worry about
>losing certain staple sounds?  Or just keep all your old instrumnets, period?
>(I know people like that ;-)

I have been known to part with old synths in the past and later regret
it.  Today I tend to keep most of my stuff.  Synths in my setup will have 
one of two status conditions:

    1.  In my live rig
    2.  Studio use only

If I replace something in my live rig then I have to re-orchestrate
the affected songs from our live play list.  I have a limited amount
of rack space (16) and mixer channels (24).  I decided that I will
no longer expand in these areas.  If something new comes in, something
old will have to go out.

For studio work anything goes.  I might even dust off the old Korg MS-20.
I frequently redo old sequences simply because I have better sounds
available even though the original synths are still around.  Also,
I tend to make different artistic decisions today than I would only 
2 years ago.  Still, it's nice to know the old synths are still
there if I need them.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 02:05:04 -0400 
From: Jamieson Edward Schulte <jscw+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: For all budding Gurus :

Excerpts from netnews.rec.music.synth: 29-Aug-92 For all budding Gurus :
The Bard@redgum.qut.edu. (750)

> I've heard mention of a "Fadermaster".  I think John 3's got one for his K2000.
> What I gathered, was that it had numerous sliders (6 ?) which he could use when
> programming. (please correct me if I'm wrong John).

> Does anyone else know about toys like this that make the interface
> between synth
> and human better for both programming, and real-time-control?  I was
> thinking of
> digital synths here (not that I dislike analog or anything, but just to help me
> and others in the use of digital synths), so there's no need for analog
> evangilising.  :-)

I've written an Atari ST program along those lines. On the screen it
draws 6 sliders and a joystick type controller that controls two
parameters. When these are manipulated (with the mouse), realtime
controller data is sent to the channel and instrument of your choice.
Right now it's not very flexible because nobody has been interested
enough in it to encourage me to make a generalized version. Ideally, I'd
like to allow the user to define the physical characteristics of the
slider (such as whether it springs back to a certain value like a pitch
wheel, how fast it does this, etc...). It would also be nice to have it
store sequences of controller data that could be triggered from other
devices. If there are people out there who would be interested in using
this, I'll try to resurrect it. Let me know.

JS
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: koelman@cuby.stc.nl (Ton Koelman)
Subject: Re: Info on Cubase for Windows
Reply-To: koelman@stc.nato.int
Organization: SHAPE Technical Centre, NL
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:37:55 GMT

In article <"1-Sep-92.17:03:10".*.William_T._Weidman.ROCH803@Xerox.com>  
William_T._Weidman.ROCH803@XEROX.COM writes:
> I spoke to someone at Steinberg Jones today, and she said that:
> 	1) Cubase for Windows was released approximately 1 month ago.   
List
> US$299.
> 	2) There is no demo available.  There may be one in the future.
> 
> I called Leigh`s Computers who is currently sold out...but who  
supposedly will
> have copies in soon.  Price, US$219.
> 
> I am disappointed that there is no demo available, anyone taken the  
plunge and
> purchased it yet?  I am sure that many besides myself are wondering how  
it
> compares to Cakewalk for Windows.  Any info would be appreciated.

It doesn't. Cakewalk is a toy compared to Cubase. I'm somewhat
amazed by the price you mention. The Atari version lists for
$599 I think. Prices over here (Europe, home of Steinberg...)
are even worse...

PS: what copy protection is on the Windows version?

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From: nsw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Neil Weinstock)
Subject: Parting with old synths
Organization: The Flying Squid Patrol
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:42:00 GMT

How do you part with an old synth?

Sometime ago, I posted something about selling all my equipment and starting
over.  Unfortunately, I found that I couldn't really bring myself to part
with what I currently have.  (I sold my Microwave, but that was a new synth,
so it didn't count.)  A big problem for me is that I've got a bunch of
half-finished sequences which use my existing instruments.  If I sold any of
my current instruments, I have to redo all those sequences (maybe it's not
a bad idea to just put them to rest, and start fresh.)  Also, I become fairly
dependent on certain sounds that I have, even though I know the new machine
will have new sounds that I will come to depend on.

So what do folks out there do who turn over a lot of instruments all the
time?  Do you redo old sequences or just retire them?  Do you worry about
losing certain staple sounds?  Or just keep all your old instrumnets, period?
(I know people like that ;-)

Curious,

                                - Neil

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From: studer@physics.su.OZ.AU (Andrew Studer)
Subject: Re:      Re: Synclavier/New England Digital (Was: Parting with old synths)
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 04:31:01 GMT

>>Subject:      Synclavier/New England Digital (Was: Parting with old synths)
>>
>>>when they find out their $250,000 to > $500,000 investment ...
>>
>>Is a Synclavier really that expensive??
>
>Not that I own one you understand, but those are the figures I've seen
>mentioned over the years.
>
>>What is *so* special about it that it costs this amount?
>>
>
>Well, years ago it used to be the only sampler that would go to a decent
>memory size (I've heard of 64Megs, this was not an upper bound but
>a single system). And it has FM synthesis.
>
It's a bit like the Fairlight, really: leading edge technology for its time
and therefore darned expensive.

The Synclavier also has something like a 100k sample rate, so- years before
Emax IIs and EPS 16+ came out, it was the best sounding, most "professional"
sampler on the market. It had some fancy resynthesis software and a whole
lot of bells and whistles. And it cost about $100,000 to get started. 

It's also partly a matter of marketing: you can either make a leading edge
machine which costs megabucks and has a limited market, or cut corners and 
make your machine accessable to a bigger market. When the EPS came out and 
(independantly of course) Fairlight went down the tube, lotsa folk down
here were saying "Fairlight really needed to make a machine like the EPS".

Andrew Studer... studer@physics.oz.au


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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Cheap DAT Portables???
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 15:01:07 GMT

Ask the dat-heads ! To subscribe to the dat digest contact one of these:

Internet: DAT-Heads@fuggles.acc.Virginia.EDU
              DAT-Heads@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU
    BITNET:   DATHeads@Virginia
    UUCP:     ...!uunet!virginia!dat-heads

They have a FAQ with comments, prices, places to get machines and tapes,
etc..

Also check out the Sony TCD D3, and the Casio RA100 ...
From: quantum@mfci.UUCP (Quantum Audio Concepts)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: DREAM WEAVER
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:51:57 GMT
Reply-To: quantum@mfci.UUCP (Quantum Audio Concepts)
Organization: Bell Atlantic Business Systems Service Branford, Ct.

In article <9208271140.aa26360@crdec8.apgea.army.mil> jdjohns@CRDEC8.APGEA.ARMY.MIL (James D. Johns) writes:
>
>What synth(s) were used on Gary Wright's DREAM WEAVER, circa about 1974?
>
>                                      Dave



Saw him in concert 1975??  "Bass" player had 2 mini-moogs. Strings were
the ARP string ensemble. Fender Rhodes. Can't recall any of the other
keyboards on stage.
From: sp_pm@space.alcbel.be (Paul Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Advice on getting into computer music wanted
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:26:02 GMT
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Hello,

I'm looking for advice on getting started with the use of computers with music. I'm interested specifically in the following:
  - musical notation entry for writing and printing music scores
  - sampling and controlling keyboard instruments using MIDI

My hardware is a ISC-2.2.1 UNIX-based 386 box, and a dot matrix printer. I also have access to the DOS world via VP/ix.

Can someone offer advice on the following:
  - extra hardware that I need (for the MIDI interface, I suppose)?
  - software, either public domain or commercial, and either UNIX or DOS?
  - books on the subject?

I apologise if this request sounds like a catch-all, but I am a complete beginner to the field of electronic music. Alternatively, is this stuff covered by a FAQ?

Please email responses, as I don't have a News feed. I'll summarise responses, if there is sufficient interest.

Thanks in advance for any help offered.

- Paul

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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Casio Midi Horn Wanted
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 17:44:40 GMT


A friend is looking for a Casio MIDI horn - he's worn his out and
needs a new one. If you have one you aren't using and would like to
sell, please post (or email me). Thanks.

shiv@bnr.ca
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: rickk@emu.com (Rick Kleffel)
Subject: Re: What digital piano/synth to buy?  Need furniture!
Summary: Samick is Still in Business
Keywords: Samick, emu, piano
Organization: E-Mu Systems
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:59:34 GMT

Samick is still in business, and their newer models use the E-Mu Proformance
module as a sound source.  I saw them at NAMM in January.  Their grands are
really rather nice.

Rick Kleffel
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Synclavier/New England Digital (Was: Parting with old synths)
From: Rick Jansen <SSCPRICK@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 3 Sep 1992 10:56:57 CET
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

> Stuff about Synclavier and New England Digital going out of business
> and the now probably lacking support deleted.
 
Well, things like this seem to happen more often in this world.
I guess something similar happened when Moog went out of business?
 
>I know many of you feel major pain when you have to sell your
>$6000 synth for $500 four years later.  Imagine these guys
>when they find out their $250,000 to > $500,000 investment ...
 
Is a Synclavier really that expensive??
What is *so* special about it that it costs this amount?
 
-Rick
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From: P.Holmes-Higgin@mcs.surrey.ac.uk (Paul R Holmes-Higgin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: I've got Cubase for Windows (naa naa na)
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:07:38 GMT
Organization: University of Surrey, Guildford, England

Yes, it finally dropped through the post this morning,
and
yes, it does look rather good.  But what is this???
No dongle, no copy protected disk!!??!!

Also no score edit, midi mapper or print module, but I
guess they'll come later (I heard that they are working
on the print module currently).

Paul.

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From: kyle@wendy-fate.UU.NET (Kyle Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Alesis D4: Help me !!
Date: 2 Sep 1992 14:38:22 -0400
Organization: UUNET Communications
NNTP-Posting-Host: wendy-fate.uu.net

broe@dfv.rwth-aachen.de (Frank Breier) writes:
 > I bought an Alesis D4 three days ago, and now I've got my first problem.
 > If I let play it via Midi, the drums cut themselves off. The HiHat seems to
 > be ok, but the bassdrum jumps from one side to the other, and the snare
 > cannot be heard.

The first D4 I bought had similar problems although not as bad as
your description.  Take/send it back to the dealer and get another
one.  It's not supposed to behave that way.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Effects as part of sound (was Re: K2000)
From: Graham.Collins@p16.f215.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Graham Collins)
Date: 22 Aug 92 14:33:04 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:163/215.16 - BitByters, Rockland ON

Previously ANDREW STUDER wrote:

 > 3) People, I think, can recognise a sound as "sound plus effect". They'l
 > perceive a sound as "oh, yes, that's a brass sound with a bit of chorus
 >
 > reverb tacked on". Again, if you're really changing a sound then fine, b
 > a lot of effects (like chorus and reverb) are mainly used to fatten a so
 >
 > up and give it spatial location, rather than really make it all that
 > different.
 >
 >
 >
 >

     Gee,...what's your definition of 'really' changing a sound then.  I
understand what it is that your saying sort of, but the definition seems
kinda vague.

     If for example you merely splice two recognizably acoustic sounds
together (as on so many machines today) have you 'really' changed it
beyond 'sound and effect'?

     Perhaps this is a better way of looking at it:
        An effect is AS much a part of synthesis as is any other modular
part of a synthesizer (VCA, filter, etc.) A simple, single effect is in
fact nothing more than a kind of 'add-on' module that enhances the overall
sound.  This makes sense if you consider the history of synthesis as
nothing more than an amalgamation of various 'modular effects'.  If you've
ever heard any everyday sound through a filter that opens and closes you
know how kinda boring and recognizable that is.

      In other words, a single effect IS a kind of synthesis...it merely
pales in comparison to all of the other parameters that control the
overall sound because it is singled out.

                         just a thought...

Graham Collins

 

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From: koelman@cuby.stc.nl (Ton Koelman)
Subject: FB01 vs. TX81Z
Reply-To: koelman@stc.nato.int
Organization: SHAPE Technical Centre, NL
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:08:31 GMT

In article <5836.9209020842@orsun.dcs.leeds.ac.uk>  writes:
> >From: Shiv Naimpally <shiv@CA.BNR>
> >Subject:      Re: Yamaha Rack Mounts...advice needed
> >
> >The TX81Z is a nice rack mount way to get FM sounds in to your setup.
> >I'd stay away from the FB01 which is available very cheap but requires
> >external software to edit patches etc.. The TX81Z is a little more
> >versatile.
> >
> 
> As an owner of both a FB01 and a TX81Z, I would like to second the above
> opinion.

so the FB01 is sort of an expander for the TX81Z. Can you do
dumps from the Z to the 01?

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From: dpelton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dennis Pelton)
Subject: Re: PC Sequencer
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 15:15:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.151950.27777@newshost.unh.edu> sjk@kepler.unh.edu (Stephen J Kenny) writes:
>We are looking for a decent PC based Sequencer, at LEAST 8
>tracks.

Get Cakewalk Pro.  Unless you need very high resolution and need
to handle huge amounts of controller data.  Then get whatever
John (3) Rossi recommends.

Dennis Pelton
dpelton@nyx.cs.du.edu
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From: Bob.Weigel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bob Weigel)
Subject: Hooray for Korg!
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:05:29 GMT

	Hey kids, I'm back....after a couple years of not having
news access, I finally figured an easy way to get hooked up again.
Looks like this bbs's implementation won't let me just hit 'f' for
followup and 'r' for reply like in the old days.  Oh well.  A bit
bulky it shall be.  Anyway, on with some interesting news....

	A year and a half ago I got a Wavestation for an incredible
price in Music West's "going out of business sale".  I began to have
really strange problems right away.  I am into electronic hardware
stuff enough to have known there was no excuse for some of the "service"
I got from one of their authorized reps here in OR.  (Besides the fact
that they stripped out my screws, and denied responsibility for it!)
Anyway, that initial problem where the notes would sustain indefinately
as the operating system became completely deaf until a power reset was
issued, seemed to go away with the new software.  (The last time it took
6 weeks to get the chips in there....arghh!)
	So after I got it out of that "shop" of horrors, it worked fairly
well, aside from some sticky keys, for about a year.  I had the EX kit
installed, got the Piano card the day it came out, (nice sample...it outta
be for $110 !  I figured since I got such a great deal on the board...and
was sick sick SICK of my k1 piano...ick pthewiee!!)  Anyway, for a while
I wound up like another fellow, with only ROM patches.  I began to write
my own, which will be getting a review in the Korg Connection, if it ever
comes out again!  When a local place finally took the korg dealership, I
was able to get the patches back.
	Well, to end this story, the WS never was totally well.  I did
a funny partial latch up a couple times, even with the new software.
I reported it.  Then at the beginning of July, it began resetting itself
at random!  This time, my instincts clearly told me THIS IS NOT A FIRMWARE
PROBLEM!  None the less, that is what Korg service tried, as I know they
must.  The thought it was ok, returned it, and it worked ok for about 2hours.
Then it began continuously resetting again!   I called Korg again, and they
said those words I had so hoped to hear. .."You've been through enough here,
we'll send a call tag and replace it".   
	I must say, I have seen an improvement over the past year in Korgs
customer service interface...attitudes, less busy phone lines...and now...
WOW!  Well, I haven't seen the new one yet, but in a few days it should be
here.  Meanwhile...a friends K1II sets in my midst, which I already had to
do a ROM upgrade on.  Version 1.0 doesn't like to be in a MIDI loop.
					
					-Bob
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