From: laeeb@rivm.nl (Erminio Ballerini)
Subject: Re: Job (baan)
Organization: RIVM, Bilthoven, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 07:22:47 GMT

In article <14AUG199215565758@mars.lerc.nasa.gov> spwim@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Wim Degroot) writes:
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>>I'm rather radical in my mind and would never accept a job under those
>>conditions. Not that I'm 'proud to be Dutch' (what a terrible expression)
>>but those kind of conditions you put forward are discriminating and
>>against the people's rights. It may not make any difference if you
>>are black, white, Dutch, American, male, female, bisexual, homosexual etc.
>
>As far as I know, all countries that I have lived in require citizenship for
>any government job, whether it is a social services, an environmental job or
>anything else, whether that is wrong or right. Discrimination has nothing to 
>do with that. A foreigner can not land a Dutch government job without becoming
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Sorry, but I have to correct that. I have the Italian nationality and I work
for a governmental institute (part of WVC)

>Dutch first. Are Dutch discriminating against everybody not Dutch? I thought 
>that the term "discrimination" referred to singling out specific ethnic, 
>religious, racial or sexual traits or characteristics. 
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>On a different note, the Dutch government is withholding the Dutch nationality
>from a large group of people who want to become Dutch, just because of the color
>of their skin or their ethnicity, while easily giving it to people that are 
>white and closer to Dutch religious beliefs. My SO for example has been trying 
>to receive Dutch nationality for the last few years without results. What's

I can become a dutch citizen tomorrow ( well, very soon) if I want to , I just 
have to write a letter to the government and pay 400 guilders (I think)
I don't know if that's because my mother used to be dutch or that I am born
here or something completely else.

>even worse is that it has been creeping closer to US beliefs. I would like to 
>hear your opinion on that as well as on the possibility that if the Dutch 
>government does not discriminate by your standards, the Netherlands would have
>an influx of several million people who would not mind living there and 
>enjoying the social system. In a perfect world, that SHOULD NOT BE a problem.
>But how will YOU solve that, economically as well as socially, based on 
>something called reality, NOT a perfect world.   
>_Wim.
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