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From: davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Midi song - "Borderline - Madonna"
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:21:47 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

In article <19921005.065353.219@almaden.ibm.com> <rberry@vnet.ibm.com> writes:

>I can only answer based on what little I know of American copyright
>law.  I don't know how different other countries' laws are.
>
>You're asking a question that nobody can answer in a newsgroup article.
>Copyright law consists not only of statutes, but also many decades
>of legal interpretation by judges.  There is no simple rule you can
>use to decide whether something is fair use or not; there are guidelines,
>but if you are sued for copyright infringement, it'll be up to a judge
>and jury to decide -- on a case-by-case basis -- if you are liable.

So what you are saying is that there is know way of actually knowing if
you are actually going to break copyright before you actually release
your piece of music ??? If that is the case then I would say that there
is something far wrong.  Perhaps I should sell all my equipment before I
get sued !

Davei
From: jimh@ultra.com (Jim Hurley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Alternate tunings for synths
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:51:36 GMT
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies

In <6@bbx.basis.com> scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:

-->In article <Oct.14.12.49.06.1992.14145@ace.rutgers.edu>, rosensta@ace.rutgers.edu (Michael "Trott" Rosenstark) writes:
-->>
-->>I would like to write a piece for a twenty-note to the octave tuning
-->>system.  Will the Yamahas handle this?  If so, would they respond to
-->>MIDI in this state?

-->The Yamaha SY99 allows you to assign a specific frequency to each of
-->the 128 MIDI note values.  Unfortunately, you must work with a
-->resolution of about 1.17 cents.  However, this should be enough for
-->practically any tuning scheme.  Since MIDI only addesses note numbers 
-->(not pitches) there is no problem.


Your on your own if you use the pitch wheel in non-standard temperaments.
-- 
Jim Hurley --> jimh@ultra.com  ...!ames!ultra!jimh  (408) 922-0100
Ultra Network Technologies / 101 Daggett Drive / San Jose CA 95134
From: kentrox!bertha!peter@UUNET.UU.NET ((Peter Uchytil))
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: This is my last message to r.m.s.
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:12:35 GMT
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>
> Well, it looks like the net is finally rid of my annoyances.  As a result of
> the Wendy Carlos post, and a followup personal email message I wrote to
> someone who chastitized me for writing it, I fear that I will be loosing all
> net privilages later today.  Unfortunately, in that personal e-mail reply
> to the person who was offended contained the f-word.  Now, in the wake of
> Tailgate incident, this matter will probably end up costing me a hell of a
> lot more than my net access.
>
> So, to all people I have come to know through net interaction, I would like
> to say Good-bye for now.  It was fun.  I guess that I never thought I would
> write this kind of message because of language I used in a personal e-mail
> message.
>
> Sincerely,
> John Rossi III
>

Whoa!  Can somebody please (via email if you'd like) explain this a bit more
to me?  I read John's Wendy Carlos post, and some of the responses.  I don't
need to rehash all that now.  While not politically correct, I've seen worse
before.  I don't understand the reference to the Tailgate incident.  Sorry
if I'm being nosy but cutting someone's internet access is not a light thing,
IMHO.  If it's none of my business, just let me know.  With the knowledge I
posess about the incident right now it seems like there's been a blatant
misuse of power by some authority type.  Especially with *private* email
involved!

Sorry to add to the non-r.m.s. stuff, but John's given a lot of informative,
interesting opinions while I've been reading r.m.s. and I hate to just lose
his input.

Pete
--
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson)
Subject: Re: Oberheim dead again!
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:56:52 GMT


In article <67470@cup.portal.com>, Randomizer@cup.portal.com (Aron Fingers Nelson) writes...
>Yes it is true, Oberheim is gone again.

R.I.P.  The only vaguely positive thing about it is that perhaps Tom can get
his name back.


Eirikur Hallgrimsson   |    "Rhodes?  Where we're going, we don't need Rhodes!"
eh@ranger.enet.dec.com |
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From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: My Apologies to those I offended
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:32:00 GMT


Ok.. Ok.. stop the hate mail.  I am not.. not.. any kind of zealot.  I have
nothing against sex change opperations.  I have nothing against abortions.
And, I am a Libertarian.  Oh, also, I really don't take myself nearly so
seriously as other people apparently do.  So, lets just leave it at.. I'm
sorry I offended anybody with my remarks concerning Wendy Carlos' gender
change.... Geesh..

John
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay)
Subject: Re: metlay/erikur fooled by vfx-sd
Summary: Gonk.
Organization: Atomic City
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:37:56 GMT

In article <9210140354.AA18461@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL writes:
>To correct Metlay's reconstruction of our phone conversation...
>There were no piano sounds played (except, maybe by Dean).  The sounds to
>which I refered were synth soloing sounds.  These sounds were basically
>monophonic sounds.  I may have the gray hair, but it is clear to me that it is
>Metlay who is aging agead of schedule.

THAT'S for goddamn sure. Sorry for the misconstruction. John.

I'm going to see Tangerine Dream tonight-- free tickets. Probably worth every
penny, too. Review follows.



-- 
metlay            | Saddam Hussein still has a job.
atomic city       | Do you?
                  | 
metlay@netcom.com | VOTE CLINTON/GORE. NOT PERFECT, BUT NOT BUSH/QUAYLE EITHER.
From: gingeric9178@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: SY99 song record MIDI transmissions
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:19:10 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Hello,
   I was wondering if anyone out there with a SY99 could give me a hand.  I
have a sampler on which i set up lets say 16 different keyboards (voices) on,
each one receiving on a different (1-16) MIDI channels.  Now, in song play
mode, I have each track transmiting to a different MIDI channel as well, but
that only seems to apply in song play mode, not record. What I have done is
turned my Master Control selection to 0 and then when I want to Song Record on a
specific MIDI channel, I press down shift+MIDIchannel# switching me to the
desired voice on the sampler.  Is there any easier way of doing this?  I'm sure
there is, but I am having a hell of a time doing so.  Of course (he says with a
sheepish grin) I am relatively new to this.......

NOT GINGERIC9178 at all, but Robert Williams, driller killer, ripping holes....
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: jay@cmn19.Stanford.EDU (Jay Kadis)
Subject: Re: Dropouts in Hi-8mm
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 16:19:20 GMT

In article <9210081445.AA20633@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>  
JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL writes:
> 
> People keep mentioning this high dropout rate in Hi-8mm.  Could somebody
> post an actual reference which supports this.  Please, no Len Feldman
> speculations.
> 
> John

First let me say I agree with you about the Tascam DA-88, I think it'll be  
a better machine than the Alesis, if for no other reason that Tascam's  
solid background making pro audio and instrumentation recorders.  As far  
as the dropout rate on Hi-8 video, I have a Sony CCD TR-81 Hi-8 camcorder  
and have used the evaporated metal tapes exclusively.  I still get an  
average of one to two video dropouts on every 60 minute tape I've shot.   
I'm not convinced this would be enough to defeat robust error  
detection/correction algorithms, though.

Jay
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ola@lesti.hut.fi (Ola Rinta-Koski)
Subject: Weird MTP/DW8000 behaviour
Organization: BREWTeX '92 -- International Boy Stout Organization
Distribution: rec
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:37:15

  I've noticed a strange phenomenon: when I use the arpeggiator in my
DW-8000, all 8 MIDI OUT lights on the MTP blink at the speed of the
arpeggio. Funny thing is, no MIDI input from the DW-8000 cable is
routed to ANY of the MTP output cables...
 
  Anybody have any idea about a) what it is the DW-8000 is sending,
MIDI-wise and b) why do ALL the lights blink? No other symptoms so
far (my WS doesn't register any activity on its cable).
--
	play the piano drunk                  ola rinta-koski
		like a percussion instrument  ola@vipunen.hut.fi
until the fingers begin to bleed a bit        jt 3 c 352  02150 espoo  finland
From: D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Dana   Nibby)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: metlay/eirikur fooled by vfx-sd
Date: 10 Oct 92 14:58:40 GMT

mm-send-edit


Hmmm.. So Metlay and Eirikur were fooled into thinking the VFX-SD was
an expander? Was this just by one waveform/patch or by many patches?
Just how flexible is the VFX-SD for sounds? I still have the impression that
synths w/fixed waveforms are pretty limited used by themselves. Hopefully
I'm wrong. I really don't understand why synths being made today aren't
equipped w/a slot for PCM cards so as to get new sounds. How far can you
go with patches? Also, how many waveforms does the VFX-SD have?

  I asked this next question on e-music-l with a cross-post to rms, but
the latter never got here. (went thru a forwarder, not posted directly
w/ Pnews) What can't a sampler do that a synth can? I know you can alter
the sound a bit more on synths, but... I have a propaganda booklet by
Ensoniq called' choo
sing a synth vs. a sampler" or some such thing. It said that if you buy
a hard-drive and 'flashbank' (a type of memory card that stores user samples
but loads like rom, almost instantly) you virtually close the gap between
synth and sampler. That sounds very wrong compared w/my experience. The 
only reason I'm considering a synth over a sampler (at this time) is that
I want to be able to play patches up and down the keyboard w/o experiencing
the speed change you get with samples. I guess my main question is this:
can you nearly eliminate (or get close enough so it's not so obvious)
this speed change on a sampler by having 4 samples spread-out over
the keyboard? And if so, am I likely to be able to find sample disks
or sample CDs w/this multi-sampling?

  Thanks,

     Dana
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From: bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo)
Subject: What's With Wine Country (Prophet Stuff)
Organization: Unit 36 Research
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 07:52:20 GMT

	What's with Wine Country?  I ordered a rev 2.0 Prophet 5 service
manual for $45US plus $10US shipping.  I had to pay customs and the total
ran me $70CDN for the manual.  It turns out to be a so-so photocopy.  $45US
plus shipping for a photocopy???  They want $2k for a Prophet 5!  $45US for
a single SSM or Curtis chip (single chip)!!  A knob for the front panel is
$20!  Who the hell are these people?  Why are they charging so much?
	Ok.  So, I have a complete manual set for all rev of Prophet 5,
Pro One, Polysequencer, Prophet 10 and External Keyboard.  I can also
supply some parts and service for Prophet5/10 and Pro-One.  I can beat
Wine Country's prices no problem.  If you need me, you know were to find me.
They want to be capitalists, I give them some competition.  Fuckers.

Brett maraldo
Plexus Productions
38 York Street
Kitchener, Ontario
N2G 1T2  Canada
tel: 519 742 0370

-- 
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From: dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Subject: Re: 8bit vs 16bit?
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:04:52 GMT

In rec.music.synth, rej@sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones) writes:

>A true understanding of digital sampling requires some rather difficult math.
>But I'll try and explain what is going on in layman's terms. 

	"That's right - you're a layman, aren't you?  I'll try to explain it
in technical terms...  Nyquist eddies are like...  no, they're more like...
hmm...  Aha!  I'll demonstrate!"  

Sorry, have R&S on the brain...

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From: dnibby@asylum.UUCP (Dana Nibby)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Finale/Vision for sale
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:38:03 GMT
Organization: Epilogue Technology Corp.


I'm posting this for a friend. Please e-mail him at this address:

      T_MOULTON@UNHH.UNH.EDU

 For sale:
     
   Finale by Coda software for the Mac. version 2.01, $200

   Vision by Opcode Systems for the Mac. version 1.2, $200
From: dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com (David L. Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Ensoniq EPS 16+ (w/ w/o/ Turbo)
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:13:17 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin, TX

In article <Bw1Hy4.H2y@unix.amherst.edu> ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (Laird Nelson) writes:
>
>Bloo Square (st10t@rosie.uh.edu) wrote:
>
>      Could somebody please give a review on the Ensoniq EPS 16+
>      Sampling workstation (WITH keyboard)??
>
>      Could a person be a one-man-band with just this keyboard?
>
>No, you need musical ability as well.

Yes, and you also need talent to be funny.  As they say, "Don't quit
your day job."

David.
--
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| David L. Campbell, IBM AWD Austin       | "The comfort you have demanded |
| INET: dcampbel@ajones.austin.ibm.com    |       is now mandatory!"       |
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:33:38 EST
Reply-To:     "(acha%junska@princeton.edu)" <acha%junska@Princeton.EDU>
From:         "(acha%junska@princeton.edu)" <acha%junska@PRINCETON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: -- Michael Brook in concert --
Comments: To: AMERICAN.EDU!SYNTH-L@Princeton.EDU

> The latest Eventide Harmonizer comes with 11 seconds of sampling,
> expandable to 95 seconds ( we're talking serious Frippertronics here)
> All H3000 series Eventides are upgradeable so its possible Brook was
> using his for the looping.  H3000s have other special features, like
> the string synthesizer, patch factory, vocoding, resonant filters,
> etc.
>
> Cheers,
> Paolo

The H3500 DFX/E does come with 95 sec sampling, or so a recent
flyer from Eventide stated. If you already  have the H3000
series and you want the sampling option, the upgrade you want
is the HS395 board, which gives you 95 sec mono sampling or
47.5 sec stereo, time compression/ expansion, and supposedly
you can do  pitch-shifting of samples (+-3 octaves, I hear)
without affecting length (or change length w/o pitch-shifting)
that's comparable in quality to a Lexicon 2400. The board
itself costs two grand, but the next best available thing is
HS322  which only have 1/4 the memory at 1/2 the price.
DFX/E, by the way, costs about four and a half grand(!).
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 16:31:52 -0400 
From: Miguel Pating <mp51+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Mail Order

Can anyone please e-mail me some names and phone numbers of some
reliable mail order companies that provide a good selection and price
for sound modules?  I'm looking for a Roland Sound Canvas or a CM-32,
and would like to find a used one if possible. 

Thanx..


Miguel
From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: metlay/eirikur fooled by vfx-sd
Date: 10 Oct 92 18:51:00 GMT


That was an interesting posting.  Last night (late) I listened to the DAT
recording of a Jam session we had the night before I left Pittsburgh this
year.  The musicical content was, well, er, emabrassing, but I couldn't help
noticing the sound and timbral elements.  Because the session was actually
a humanitarian aide to my bruised ego of the moment, it occurred at about
2 AM.  William Sequira played Metlay's bass guitar, Eirikur played his rig,
Joe McMahon played his VFX-SD, Dean Swan played Metlay's D-70, John-4 played
William's guitar, and I played K2000.  Now, except for William and John 4
who were playing non-synth instruments, it was sometimes a challenge to tell
what was actually playing at any time.  Dean's heavily jazz influenced
progression style generally gave away the D-70, but I was amazed at how
'analog' the SD was capable of getting.  For the most part I played a rather
alcolol influenced B-3 organ chord riff so I could tell the K2000, with 
Joe's horn section SD stabs (which, I have to admit, are pretty accurate
horn section stabs).  At one point, Joe and I traded leads (at least I think
it was Joe and I), and except for the fact that I have to assume that Joe's
leads were the ones which were technically accurate, I really could have
been lead to believe that whatever was playing 'might have been' an Xpander,
or any other similar [:-)] analog synth.  Now, the K2000 doing that wouldn't
have surprised me all that much (because, I really believe that a K2000 can
get more analog than even an Xpander because of the inherent limitations in 
the Xpander's engine), but that I really can't tell the K2000 from the SD
in a couple of sections, really amazed me.  Anyway, strike up another vote
for the transparent nature of the VFX-SD making it a definate synth to
consider if you are into this sort of thing.

John
From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: K2000R followup
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:57:00 GMT


Not necessarily.  Since the K2000r appears to be configured so it can be used
as though it had a keyboard the only difference may be the actual presence
of the keyboard case and wheels (of course I am speculating here, never having
seen the rackmount).  Since the plastic case of the K2000 is probably molded,
it probably doesn't cost as much as the enclosure for the rack.  I would
guess that a keyboard probably isn't worth more than $100 in quantity,
anyway.  The question which is more important is what will the actual street
price cost differential be after the first run at the racks is over.

John
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson)
Subject: Re: SCI Prophet 5 rev2.0 service manual sought
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 06:17:11 GMT


In article <Bvtw9F.HJ7@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo) writes...
>	Does anyone have an SCI Prophet 5 rev2.0 serice manual I can borrow,

45$??? For a photocopy?  I wouldn't do it.  On principle.  Heck, I just got
a Chroma service manual (not a photocopy) from Fender, for 20$.  I figured that
it was worth 20$ just to reinforce them for keeping the service info available.


Eirikur Hallgrimsson   |    "Rhodes?  Where we're going, we don't need Rhodes!"
eh@ranger.enet.dec.com |
PATHWORKS for Macintosh|

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: wangalex@mot.com (Alex Wang)
Subject: MQX16 & Win3.1 problems
Organization: rpg
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:23:27 GMT


Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: leel@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Lee Lawrence)
Subject: Re: What's With Wine Country (Prophet Stuff)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:11:25 GMT

I've been reluctant to pay their outrageous charges to make a photocopy 
of old Prophet 600 manuals for me.

Anybody out there able to help me out?  
I'll cover normal photocopy/shipping costs etc.

Much thanks,
Lee           leel@cs.colorado.edu
From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: MIDI Songs.....
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 10:13:27 EST
Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC
Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth)
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In article <1992Oct4.135833.29844@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> (rec.music.synth), davet@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Dave Tutelman) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Oct3.120324.16297@comp.lancs.ac.uk> davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles) writes:
> >
> No harm, no foul!  In this case,
>  - You did it first, so they can't sue you.

This statement if very wrong.  You can sue anyone for anything!  You
don't need a reason to file a law suit.  You will get your chance
in court to argue but simply saying that someone "can't sue you" is
a myth.  This is why it's important in all dealings not to give anyone
a cause to file an action against you.

> Disclaimer and warning: I'm not a lawyer. (Whew! :-) 
> I know just enough about the law to be dangerous.

You got that right! :-)

David
From: dan@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Dan Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: TG77 Stereo Separation
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:53:46 GMT
Organization: HP Response Centre, Berkshire, England.

Hi,

Reverb units tend to be designed like that: i.e. their output is
used across the stereo image. I reckon that if you've got a little
bit of reverb, then 

    { Instrument A in left channel
      Instrument B in right channel
      Reverb taking up entire stereo space }

will sound more natural than

    { Instrument A in left channel
      Instrument B in right channel
      A's reverb in left channel
      B's reverb in right channel }

which could even sound quite strange. I dunno for sure - never had the chance
(or the urge) to listen to it.

Regards,
Dan Bennett.
From: max@megatek.com (Max Elliot)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Kawai K1 for sale (San Diego area)
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:10:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: megatek.1992Oct16.161004.24002
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California


  As it says, I am selling my Kawai K1 keyboard/synth.
  It is in MINT condition with one RAM card and cables.
  I am asking $450 or best offer. (San Diego area)

  Max
  (619) 942-3099 leave a message.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: seanw@mks.com (Sean Wilson)
Subject: Re: MQX-16 and WIN3.1 problems
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:55:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.220836.17623@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> wangalex@mot.com (Alex Wang) writes:
>
>I need some help in solving Windows3.1 & MQX-16,
>compatibility problems. This is what happened.
>
>I am not sure if Window's MIDI mapper has anything to do with
>it.  I don't know where in the configuration that goes wrong to 
>cause all these probelms.
>

I had a similar problem when trying to run Cakewalk 2.0 from Windows.
Cakewalk would load and play all right, but nothing but junk came out
of the MPU-401.  I got rid of both the Windows MIDI mapper and the
Windows MPU-401 device driver, and the problem went away.  I suspect
that both Cakewalk and Windows were trying to access the MPU-401 at
the same time.


Sean Wilson      | "It was a small incident one night involving me and 150 
MKS Tech Support |  Mexican cops.  I asked to see some identification.  They
seanw@mks.com    |  said:  'Badges?!  We don't need no stinking badges!!'" 
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