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From: kloomis@cco.caltech.edu (Kate E. Loomis)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: another horse that was tranked for shoeing
Date: 11 Sep 92 02:11:52 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan) writes:


>My six year old horse had not been shod ever when I got her.  The
>first time she was okay for the shoer, the second time she was
>nervous so instead of me holding her he tied her up high in a tree
>and once I was gone she was fine. The third time she got upset when
>he cut the clinches (okay for nailing), pulled back and tore a huge
>part of the tree off! He said he would be back to trank her.

>He used an oral tranquilizer called Ace (cost $30), I held her and
>scratched her head, and she was better.  He did find that he could
>just file off the clinches, which was a little more work for him,
>and left some file marks in her hoof (which we decided was better
>that $30 for the trank!)

>This was all frustrating as I have always had horses that were easy
>to shoe and my last mare did fine barefoot for 7 years...

>The benefit from it all is that she is relaxing more.  He also
>happened to have some hi-tech plastic with gel insert pony shoes
>that fit my pony exactly that he gave me for free as they had been
>rattling around the back of his truck for a while.  I will try these
>on the road and see if they do better than the steel shoes with
>pads. (for driving the cart on the road)

>Karen

When I first bought my 5 year old thoroughbred-mix mare, she
had never been shod before, either. We were lucky that we had
a great farrier, who was extremely patient with her. At first, 
every time he hit the shoe with the hammer, the BANG made her
jump almost out of her skin!! I swear she jumped a foot or more
straight up every time. We decided right then and there that we
would have to take it easy and get her used to it SLOWLY. We 
took her up to the anvil and let her sniff the hammer and shoes.
Then, he waited while I went and got a bowl full of grain. He
banged the hammer, and I instantly gave her a bite of grain for
what must have been fifteen minutes! Pretty soon, the sound of 
the hammer had her turning toward me, saying "where's the
food?" We NEVER had a problem with her after that. 

God bless patient farriers. Extra time spent at the beginning
can be priceless.

Kate
From: omar@az.stratus.com (Omar Stoltzfus)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse names from Jodie Gilmore
Date: 5 Sep 92 22:55:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.133159.3828@cs.cornell.edu> marsh@cs.cornell.edu (Dorothy  
Marsh) writes:
> 
> 
> Subject: Name for grey horse
> 
> I thought of these:
> 
>         Shadow of a Doubt
>         London Grey
>         Silver Mutiny
> 
> Good luck, and let us know what the final decision is!
> --
Name for a black horse, Midnight.

Name for an almost all black horse, 11:30.

Sorry, I couldn't resist
Omar
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Subject: Re: A Basic Glossary
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 22:02:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Organization: IBM TJ Watson Home for Tired Hackers

In article <1992Sep8.192425.23974@morrow.stanford.edu>,
GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon) writes:
|> all the A/O's use the Junior-Amateur Modified division as a
|> "little warm-up class." No chance at ribbons for those who are
|> moving up through the ranks! But that's a petty gripe, I guess. Hey

Here they generally don't allow a horse OR rider (not just the combo) to enter
any divisions which have fences that exceed the height of the A/A's at that
particular show.  Some of the schooling jumper classes don't disqualify you,
though.

|> Mary, do you have Jr/Amateur Modified divisions where you are? It's
|> a great transition class! 3'9" to 4'0", with harder courses but
|> nothing quite as daunting as the A/O's.

Same divisions, different terminology.  Here the Modifieds go to 4'6" while
they do have (again, at some shows) the Low Jr-A/O which is 3'9 - 4'0.  I'm
pretty sure that the regular Jr.-A/O's can't go in the Low A/O's, but I'll
double check.
 
|> Actually, I kind of think this Low Children's/AA division is a
|> travesty. I mean, people can just RUN and the horses can pick up all
|> four legs to save their lives, and it's the people who run the
|> fastest who win, rather than those who actually ride. It seems odd,

Have to agree with you on this one, Gwen.  In the Conn. H/J Assoc. classes, the
girl who was high-point last year for the A/A's was FRIGHTENING.  It was only
by the grace of God (substitute favorite higher authority) that she wasn't 
injured.  And her family, which should know better, condoned and encouraged it!
I've seen the horse literally gallop through the jumps.  Then she can't
stop him
so she slams him into the arena fence.  It is only a matter of time before he
jumps the arena fence and keeps on going.  Fortunately, this year she is at 
college and the horse is for sale.  She was only high point because they went 
to EVERY show.  And then, some are beginning to do it at the 3'6" level, too.
The girl who won the M&S at Shallowbrook (CT) left four, count 'em, four
strides
out of the last line (down hill at that!).  Granted, it was a bending line, but
everyone else only left two strides out.  I turned to my trainer and we
both said
at the same time, "She can have the ribbon!".  One of my friends who does the 
M&S is doing the Low A/O next year exclusively to avoid this kind of behavior.
Oh well......
Mary & the gang
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell)
Subject: Re: Biting
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:39:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.022131.29122@cco.caltech.edu> kloomis@cco.caltech.edu (Kate E. Loomis) writes:
>cosborn@dante.nmsu.edu (Cecelia Osborn) writes:
>
>>I have used the cork and needle method of curing biting, especially
>>horses that bite while being led. I have always been taught that
>>slapping the horse on the shoulder won't work, the shoulder did not
>>bite you, but maybe I am not fast enough. After the horse pokes
>>himself a few times, they seem to be less interested in biting the
>>person leading the horse. I have noticed that colts seem to be more
>>prone to nipping than fillys are, has anyone else noticed this?
>>:w
>
>I think effectiveness of the remedy (ie., slapping the 
>shoulder, or what not) depends in large part WHY the horse is
[...]
>needle thing would probably deter any horse from biting you, as
>headshy.
>
>kate
>

What would happen if you're walking alongside the horse with a cork
and needle in your hand, waiting for him to take a bite out of you,
and he suddenly turned his head to scratch an itchy fly bite on his side?
He'd possibly get the needle in the eye. You'd never forgive yourself.
I think the key to their understanding of why they are being whacked
is the *second/third* opportunity to screw up. When the decide not
to nip you, give them a pat and let them know it's not them you're
mad at, but the behavior.

patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov
From: dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Leasing horses
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:12:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

I'm thinking about leasing my horses to a reputable stable since I
just don't have the time right now to ride/train.  They will actually
be leased to individuals at the stable, but the stable management
will take care of them.  It will basicly be a "free lease" where
they won't pay me anything, but they will be responsible for vetting/
worming/farrier etc.  

I have a few questions:  It is reasonable to ask for, say one riding 
lesson a week (for me) in exchange?  Also, I was thinking that I
would like them to get insurance for the horses, in case something
happened to the horses.  What do you think?  What other things should I
put in the lease, such as liability issues and such?  If the rider
wants to show the horse, who pays?  

Has anyone had any good/bad experience with this kind of setup?

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Marian Dabay
From: majewski@bach.udel.edu (Kathleen Majewski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Mud Fever
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:57:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Delaware

I was just reading the article on Mud Fever. Could you elaborate a bit more on the symptoms? We also get a lot of rain, but never realized there was such a thing as Mud fever. What occurs, fever? infection of legs? 
Thanks.
Kathy
From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:10:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Bibliography Compilation Help Wanted
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

Darci,

I'd be interested in the results of your search.
I keep the FAQ for rec.equestrian, and would add the books
and addresses to it.  By the way,  the address for the
AERC and others is:



TrailBlazer 
5000 Carrizo Rd, 
Atascadero, Ca 93422 
$18.00/yr

American Endurance Ride Conference
701 High Street Suite 203, 
Auburn,Ca 95603. Phone 916-823-2269. 

NATRC (North American Trail Ride Conference)
P.O. Box 20315
El Cajon   CA   92021
(619)  588-7245


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From: kw@cbnews.cb.att.com (kathleen.m.wilber)
Subject: Re: Jr/Am Jumper Divisions
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:15:05 GMT

>> So let me get this straight -- where you are it's:
>> 1) Low Children's/Low AA's (at some shows) -- 3'0"
>> 2) Children's/AA -- 3'6"
>> 3) Low Jr-A/A -- 3'9" - 4'0"
>> 4) Modified Jr-A/O -- 4'0" - 4'6"
>> 5) Junior/A/O -- 4'3" - 4'9" (?)
>> 
>> Is this right? In CA it's like this:
>> 1) Low Children's/AA (some shows) -- 3'0"
>> 2) Children's/AA -- 3'6"
>> 3) Jr-Amateur Modified -- 3'6" - 4'0"
>> 4) Junior/A/O -- 4'0" - 4'9"
>
	.. Etc.

I can't help chuckle as I see this exchange going by.  Next Sunday I'm
entering Daleilah in our first show, a schooling show at our own barn,
which includes classes that cater to the high percentage of new adult riders
(such as "Equitation, Over 18, Walk-Trot"), and where the number
of confident jumpers is so low that the only "jumping" class with enough
entries is "Over Crossrails"!  The big discussion in the past couple of
weeks has been which among us new riders (or owners of a green horse) would
enter the "advanced" classes - the ones that include cantering!

Kathy Wilber and no-longer-bolting Daleilah, who promises to do nice canter
transitions during the show....
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Subject: Re: A Basic Glossary
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 21:28:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Organization: IBM TJ Watson Home for Tired Hackers

In article <1992Sep4.215739.1834@nb.rockwell.com>,
reichard@nb.rockwell.com (Diane Reichard) writes: 
|> The Children's and A/A Jumpers are usually split out here (at least in
|> So. Cal.).  The only time they usually combine is if there is a classic

Funny, it is USUALLY just the opposite here.  They keep the classics separate
but combine the regular division.  Also, often there is money offered in the
regular division, but it isn't much ~$40, $20, $10, $5.  Sometimes 1st is only
$20.

|> Childrens or A/A Jumpers.  These classes usually are set at 3'6"-3'9".
|> I think Gwyn was referring to the leagues that you mentionned when saying
|> she wished we had something like that out here (correct me if I'm wrong
|> Gwyn).
 
Sorry, I passed Evelyn Woods Speed Reading Dynamics with flying colors, but 
flunked E.W. Speed Comprehension ;^) 

|> being created to support the bigger interest in the jumpers.  I think
|> for many amateurs, an A/A jumper is more affordable than an A/A hunter.
|> Have you had any of the Low Children's- A/A classes starting on the
|> East Coast?

Occasionally some shows have them, in particular, the HITS (Horse shows
In The Sun - although this year it
should have been HITR :^) series at RoseView Stables in Poughkeepsie, NY always
has the low division although they allow people from the high to cross-enter.
You're right about the affordability.  Even at the Local member shows here, the
hunter competition is frustrating.  The locals and the low hunters are filled
with the people/horses that SHOULD be there as well as the people who are doing
the big hunters and are just warming up.  What chance do the little
people have?
 
|> is not substantial (3'6" - 3'9"), the course tends to be very difficult--
|> leaving the stadium to go out over an open field course with banks,
ditches, 
|> and open water. 

Ummm, sounds like fun!  Actually, since I have been known to hunter pace 
occasionally, these would not be a problem (except my horse Wilbur would
probably wade through the water).  But unless you school for these things,
(and how many people have a water jump & a "Pulverman's Grob"?), it isn't 
really fair -- look at the controversy generated at last years USET finals!

Mary
(and New Issue ...aka Wilbur  when bad, Wilburgers)
(and Rofair ...aka Bubba - the wild arabian stallion)
From: zjkc08@hou.amoco.com (Jane Carlin WWNV x2407 9.105)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Arabian
Keywords: For Sale
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:38:14 GMT
Reply-To: zjkc08@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco

Large Arabian gelding, fully trained.
Hunter Pleasure, Dressage and Show Hack
Regionals and Nationals quality.   
Perfect for someone who wants a finished horse.
Call Pat  (214) 335-3335  Dallas area
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Leasing horses
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:49:58 EST
Distribution: na
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <6687@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>, dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay) writes:
> I'm thinking about leasing my horses to a reputable stable since I
> just don't have the time right now to ride/train.  They will actually
> be leased to individuals at the stable, but the stable management
> will take care of them.  It will basicly be a "free lease" where
> they won't pay me anything, but they will be responsible for vetting/
> worming/farrier etc.  
> 
> I have a few questions:  It is reasonable to ask for, say one riding 
> lesson a week (for me) in exchange?  Also, I was thinking that I
> would like them to get insurance for the horses, in case something
> happened to the horses.  What do you think?  What other things should I
> put in the lease, such as liability issues and such?  If the rider
> wants to show the horse, who pays?  
> 

Last year I offered my old trusty child-broke gelding to a local stable
that was extremely short of trained safe horses for giving lessons.  I
had talked to the owner beforehand, called him to finalize the deal.  He
asked if there was anything else I wanted, cash, etc.  I said, no, but I
would like one lesson a week in exchange.  He got sort of huffy and said
there was no way he would have any time to give me a lesson!  Well!  AFter
all, he was going to have two horses for lessons instead of one, I thought
he was being sort of difficult.  So my gelding stayed home.

Sue

> Has anyone had any good/bad experience with this kind of setup?
> 
> Any information would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Marian Dabay
>
From: ddabay@ruacad.ac.runet.edu (Dave Dabay)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: trucks?
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:07:30 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Radford University

In article <NJD.92Sep3100321@babyoil.FTP.COM> njd@FTP.COM writes:
>
>
>Hi, Everyone!!
>
>I know this has been discussed before, but I'm afraid I wasn't paying
>much attention then.
>
>I'm looking for a used truck for towing a two-horse trailer (not yet
>purchased).  I've been told that either the GMC Jimmy or the Jeep
>Cherokee (both with 4-litre V6 engines) can do the job, but I have my
>doubts.  Is a V6 really powerful enough?  Is the shorter wheel base a
>problem?  They certainly are affordable, but...

In my experience, this class of vehicles is just TOO small.  If you only 
pull on level ground they will probably do ok, until you need to do some
"defensive" driving.  Then you end up with the trailer "driving" the tow
vehicle.  Engine wise, you would be lucky to get 100K miles, even if you
baby them.  And most people don't....

>
>My uncle has a full-size Chevy Blazer, all set up for towing his
>*huge* boat.  It's a Florida truck, in mint condition, and he's
>willing to sell it to me for a reasonable price.  Does anyone have any
>good/bad experiences towing with a Blazer?

Even a full size blazer/bronco has its shortcomings in towing applications..
Again if you don't get into a situation they are fine...  Just don't expect
a 2 ton vehicle to stop a 4 ton trailer ina panic.

>
>The only other affordable (for me) truck I've seen was a Suburban
>Diesel with 175,000 miles on it.  It looked and ran great, but that
>mileage is just too scarey.  

I personally have a Suburban with a 454 cu inch motor and about 153,000
miles on it, most pulling a load.  It has adequate power and good brakes
for pulling and the chassis is rated to handle the additional weight of
trailer and load.  For the low price I paid and the proposed cost of a 
new motor/trans should this one die, I think this is the better deal.
I figure that a new one like this would cost upwards of 25K.


>
>Are there any trucks that anyone would like to recommend?  I'm not in
>a big hurry, but I'd *like* to take advantage of the nice fall
>weather.  I'm hoping to find a complete package - truck and trailer.

If you can find and afford a Ford Diesel crew cab dually w a gooseneck
trailer, but it.  They are the most comfortable and efficient (less fuel
cost)around.  The cummins/dodge seems to be a good rig too, but I don't
think it has been around long enough to really tell.  GM has not been
able to make a reliable diesel in this class, so stay away from them..

>
>Thanks in advance for your help!!			
>
>Nancy

Ps be aware that in some states, if the "combination gross vehicle weight
is over 26,000 pounds or over 40 feet in length" you will need a 
commercial drivers license to be legal......

dave


>
-- 
Dave Dabay  Senior Programmer/Analyst   703-831-5482    KD3PC	
Radford University Computer Services	Internet: ddabay@ruacad.ac.runet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Can You Believe...
Organization: Intel i960(tm) Architecture
	<1992Sep9.071923.19457@yang.earlham.edu>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:15:54 GMT


We once went through three ferriers till we settled on the last.
Always be ready to do that. Any ferrier without his/her own assistant
will need someone to help with a difficult horse : if you can't
do this regularly, get a ferrier who has an assistant. Once you
find a ferrier you like, treat him/her right : be prompt at
appointments even if the ferrier isn't ( horse shoeing can't
always be done in the usual time, and then theirs that extra
horse the previous appointment says just HAS to be shoed today ),
pay on time, provide proper working conditions ( light, shelter,
a safe space free of clutter ), and send him or her a card and
a tip around the end of the year. Get a ferrier you can ask
questions of, and listen when he answers. Don't micromanage :
if you really DO know more than your ferrier, get a better one
or do it yourself.

This attitude has enabled us to retain good ferriers. We even kept
one very good ferrier ( used to do the local Ag&Tech college ) even
after he retired !

Vets should be dealty with similarly.

--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: macaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (MACKINNELL AMANDA)
Subject: Re: Can You Believe...
Summary: OH YES!!!
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:15:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.031212.3411@infonode.ingr.com>, blythedr@infonode.ingr.com (Dennis Blythe) writes:
> 
> this morning it was time to be reshoed and I was not able to be there 
> to watch them do it  ( Needed to be in the house w/ baby.) I got out my 
> binoculars only to see him injecting my horse with a tranquilizer. I 
> understand that at times it is nesesary to do this to prevent the horse 
> and ferrier from geting hurt when she acts up. I was hoping that when the 
> job was done that he would mention to me that he needed to do this. But 
> he never did. So finally I asked him if he ever needed to tranquilize a 
> horse before and he said "yes" I then asked him for the name of the drug
> that he used on her for fear that she might have a reaction to it.
> 
>    What has me so fumed is that he would have not of mentioned it to me 
> if I had not wittnesed it. And if my horse were to have a bad reaction 
> to it I would not have been able to identify why. Well this is it. I am 
> now looking for a good ferrier, though what upsets me is that he has 
> had a lot of experience in shoeing, though it is his ethics that are 
> in question to me. Good ferriers are hard to find around here.
> 
> 
>   Any suggestions or comments?
> 
>                                     Pam

		FIND A NEW FARRIER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

		Amanda MacKinnell
		and Christy.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: South Florida Update
From: Bliss B. Siman <ROPBB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 14 Sep 1992 05:55:18 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

There was an article in the 9/4/92 Chronicle that gave addresses for contrib-
utions to animal rescue, maybe it was specifically for horse rescue. With all
the human misery, some of us must remember those whose own kind can't help
them. After reading story I can't imagine what I would feel if it were one of
my own three in that situation.

                               Bliss,
                               Chance, Savvy & Rocky
                               Chance, Savvy &