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Subject: Re: Tori talk?
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa

Scott Lillis asks:

>I'm just curious why I see several postings about Tori Amos in the love
>hounds digest.  

Because rec.music.gaffa and the mailing list it's gatewayed to are not
dedicated solely to the existence of KaTe, and if it/they were, I suspect
life would be a *lot* different for many of us.

r.m.g encompasses a genre--possibly best described as 'alternative female'
and Kate Bush is the focal point.  Occasionaly male artists/bands will
crop up, but these tend to be KaTe-esque, such as Peter Gabriel.

It was here in r.m.g that most of us in America first heard of Tori Amos,
thanks to British love-hounds, almost a year ago.  Even that early she
was being described as similar to KaTe; someone posted a snipped of 
interview that referred to Tori as "Kate Bush with a knife."  

Outside of really-deep-thoughts, rec.music.gaffa is probably the best place
on the net to discuss Tori Amos, or, particularly to post news about her
for people like me who have no interest in the mailing list but still want
to find stuff out.  The second best place would probably be Ecto.

Jeff



-- 
|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:49:36 -0400
From: vickie@pilot.njin.net (Vickie Mapes)
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Re: another day
Message-ID: <Oct.13.23.49.01.1992.11129@pilot.njin.net>
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa


uli@intellektik.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Ulrich Grepel) writes:

>I don't know on what album 'Another Day' can be found.

Flat Baroque & Busted, I think.

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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:32:25 -0400
From: vickie@pilot.njin.net (Vickie Mapes)
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Message-ID: <9210090431.AA08817@pilot.njin.net>
Subject: Welcome to Krys & Peter & David & Mike & Angel!
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa


Peter Fitzgerald-Morris
   The first true Katefan I was ever in contact with. Thank you, my
   friend, for answering my letter oh those many, many years ago.

Krys Fitzgerald-Morris
   A kind and gracious hostess.  Thank you for letting us stay at your
   home for the night.
 
David Cross
   Thank you for everything you've done. Including the call on Katemas
   this year. (When are you going to get Judie Tzuke to come to Chicago?)

Mike Weaver 
   Traveling companion extrodanaire-to Winnipeg for BushCon '84 and
   New York City for Kate Promo Visit 1985. Bless Break-Through for
   putting us in contact.

 Angel Weaver
   My Best Friend. After being friends over the phone for so many
   years, it was truly wonderful to finally meet you at the Happy
   Rhodes concert in Philadelphia in March. Take care in Australia,
    and say hi to a 'roo for me.

Welcome all, my friends...

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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:51:58 -0400
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From: gerstel@quaker.admin.upenn.edu
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Subject: re: Wow! vs. Kashka?
Message-ID: <1992Oct12.154839.1@quaker.admin.upenn.edu>
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa


(I'm making a stab in the dark with this - it's *very* colored by my own
morality, so don't assume it's Kate Canon!)

The actor mentioned in "Wow" is meant to be a negative model in a couple of
ways - "you know it's no thrill/he just holds his breath", etc.  I'd say that
the stanza ending in "He's too busy..." is saying that he's letting sexual
pleasure get in the way of his career and his life.  The phrase Kate uses is
crude because it fits what he's doing to himself.

On the other hand, other than the first line, "Kashka from Baghdad" is all
about enjoying life.  It's all about music and laughter and love, and it
doesn't seem to matter whether it's a man and woman or two men or whatever.
The fact that the actor and Kashka share a sexual preference means very little
in comparison to their larger outlooks.
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:33:14 -0400
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Whoa!  What's this lyric server stuff?
Message-ID: <1992Oct13.033255.16213@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Apparently-To: rec-music-gaffa@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa

In a reply to one of my "Wow!"/"Kashka" debates, someone referred to a
"lyric server."  Is this "for real?"  What is it?  How can I access it?

	By the way, I still love the two songs no matter what the
interpretation.  I'm not so political as to reject great music...excuse me,
great ART on such inconsequential grounds.

				--Kashka
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:02:15 -0400
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Us!
Message-ID: <1992Oct13.201341.5100@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Apparently-To: rec-music-gaffa@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa

I'm sorry you disliked Peter Gabriel's latest.  I think it's much better
than Sensual World, though.  I think it's better than So, being much more
consistent.  It's much more unified than So, and contains nothing as
obnoxious as Big Time or Sledgehammer.  I can't describe why I love it if
you don't...sorry.
	By the way, Rolling Stone has rated REM's latest *****, and
Morrissey's latest got ****.  Perhaps their critics have some taste after
all!

--Kashka
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:30:10 -0400
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From: eric.walker@channel1.com (Eric Walker)
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Subject: srdawkcab
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa


UG>What do the background words in "Leave it Open" really say?
UG>How about "Paul is dead, I buried Paul?" :)

     Deviating slightly from the Gaffa:

     According to Paul McCartney (I saw this in an interview once), the
     lyrics to that infamous phrase were actually "Cranberry Sauce."
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:01:11 -0400
From: scasterg@magnus.acs.ohio-state.EDU (Stuart M Castergine)
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
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Subject: Re: Running Up That Hill Lyrics.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa

In article <ee=W02w6248v01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> you write:
>
>Good song, but the lyrics confuse me.
>
>
>What does she mean by: 
> 
>  If I only could, 
>  I'd make a deal with God, 
>  and get him to slap our faces.
>
>?
>
>
>Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
>The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
>

Ummmm.... I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I'm being suckered,
aren't I?

"swap our places"






-- 
scasterg@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu -- Stuart M. Castergine
Fiver: "Oh, Hazel, look! The field! It's covered with blood!"
Hazel: "Don't be silly, it's only the light of the sunset." -- Watership Down
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:27:41 -0400
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From: Lee_Whiteside-P14942@email.mot.COM
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Subject: TWW rarity CD's, Tori Interview
Message-ID: <0002D385.MAI*/G=LEE/S=WHITESIDE-P14942/PRMD=AZDA/ADMD=MOT/C=US/@ilbe>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa

I haven't been keeping up with Love-Hounds/rec.music.gaffa as much as I should
be lately and saw the mention of the rarity CD's from TWW being planned and
then scrapped as a Christmas release.  Is there still any possibility of those
coming out separately?  I would think that it would sell fairly well since
not everyone (including myself) spent their money on the box set (I'd still
like to get it but just can't justify the expense).
 
It is nice to see Homeground on the net at last and I'm looking forward to
more info from them!
 
An a Tori Amos note, when she was here in Phoenix, she did a radio interview
on a local station of which I have about 25 minutes worth (maybe 10-15 minutes
of actual talk).  They hoped to have her perform live on the station but
couldn't arrange the appropriate piano that Tori asked for.  I missed the
beginning because she was almost two hours late for the interview and my
videotape ran out.  I do have a VHS hi-fi tape of the interview if anyone
here is interested in it. Send email to me at P14942@email.mot.com or to
elw@cup.portal.com if it bounces there.
 
Lee Whiteside
 
 
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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 16:43:07 -0400
From: MTARR@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU
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Subject: Tori in New York City
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Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa

Hi!

Saw Tori in NYC on Friday.  Very neat show- compared to when I saw her in
April the experience wasn't as mind-blowingly intense, although I did have
to remind myself to breathe on more than one occasion.  She seems to have
gotten past the stage where each song is still a numbing catharsis for her
(with the exception of "Me And A Gun", naturally), so she can speak between
songs without having to choke out every word.  She really is quite funny.
I was pleasantly surprised, since I would have expected her to be rather
bored with her material after performing it nonstop for almost a year now-
but she seemed to be having fun with it all.  Her voice is starting to show
signs of strain, though- I'm sure those vocal chords will be happy when December
rolls around!

woj and I waited well over an hour by the stage door afterwards (what the
hell, it was a nice night :), and at midnight she came out.  She had the
hug and smile for everyone, and she signed my shirt. :>  I even had my camera
with me (not for that reason, but it was there), so we got pictures- I hope
they come out, I think I cut off woj's head because Tori is so short. :}

Next up is New Haven on 9 November, yay.
=============================================================================
Meredith Tarr		                               m.tarr1@genie.geis.com
America can't survive another four years...  fight the idiocy on November 3rd
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:00:06 -0400
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Subject: This Whole Wow! Thing
Message-ID: <1992Oct13.165921.29578@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Apparently-To: rec-music-gaffa@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa

Okay.

Point 1: Kate pats her bottom while singing that line in the
Hammersmith video.  This, to me, does not imply greasepaint, unless perhaps
it's a production of Oh! Calcutta!

Point 2: Although Vaseline is a hellish makeup remover (I know this from
experience), it's possible that the problem this actor has is that he will
never make the movies because he's stuck doing theatre.  Hitting the
Vaseline in this case would mean that he's doing theatre instead of movies,
where a different sort of makeup would be used.  This, to me, tends to fit
more with the song's tone, which seems to be negative as regards theatre.

Point 3: From Points 1 and 2 we can conclude that one of them carries the
wrong opinion, or that Kate intended a double meaning.  This, to me, seems
the most accurate and generalized interpretation.

Point 4: I think the line "he'll never...be that movie queen" implies some
sort of sexual difference, if not outright homosexuality.  The overtones of
that verse seem to say that this actor is not good enough; his stage deaths
aren't convincing, therefore "he'll never make the screen," he'll never be
in movies--thus, he will continue to hit the vaseline.  QED.

Point 5: Any more thoughts on Kashka's gender?  Has Kate ever mentioned this
in interviews?

--Kashka (Andrew D. Simchik)
I do not speak for U of R. 
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:26:37 -0400
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Message-ID: <9210121226.AA10223@syrinx.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: Sexual pleasure? RUTH
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa

Angel asks:

>       Excuse me Mr. Andrew D. Simchik but I am curious to know how on earth
>you have arrived at the conclusion that Kate's lyrics to RUTH is about her
>wanting her male companion to experience female sexual pleasure? 

Actually, when I first  started listening to HoL, I interpreted RUTH in a 
similar way--that the narrator wanted to swap bodies so they could
both experience sex from the other's viewpoint.  I don't know when I started
thinking of it in a much more broad, platonic sense.

>According
>to Kate it's about the whole ball of wax, the complicated roles each of us
>have in a relationship.  RUTH is least of all about sexual pleasure.  Think
>about it.

Never, *ever* chastise someone for not knowing what KaTe or any other artist
says about their work and "how it should be interpreted.  If the artist
has to explain what they meant in order to avoid such confusion or
misinterpretation then the artist has done a poor job of conveying their
idea.  Admittedly, it *can* be difficult to interpret a work (whether
music, literature, or whatever) and come up with exactly what the author
intended.  One of the reasons for this is that you often have no way of
knowing exactly what the author intended.  And even if you do find out
what the artist's idea was, your different interpretation may still be just
as correct, based upon a subconscious subtext that the artist wasn't even
aware of writing.  And lastly, I think it's intellectual snobbery to 
question someone else's interpretation just because it doesn't agree with
yours or even with the author's.  That's the sort of thing I expect from
bad teachers...;-)

All that said, welcome to rec.music.gaffa!  After hearing about you and
Mike on Ecto for so long from Vickie, it's nice to see that y'all got
net.access.  But now that you've made it online, how long will it last
before you head off to Australia?

Jeff



-- 
|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:18:46 -0400
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
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Subject: Re: Who sings "Crucify Myself"?
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rohrer@utkvx3.utk.edu (Rohrer, Cheryl Diane) writes:

>The woman is Tori Amos.  The song is crucify and the album is "Little
>Earthquakes"
And the album probably gets my vote for ALBUM OF THE YEAR, right now [but I'm
fickle]

Was it released between Oct 1, 1991 and SDeptember 30, 1992? Then it's eligible
for GRAMMYs anyway.

-- 
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uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"The difference between leadership and government is that leadership has a
soul." -- Anna Quindlen, on George Bush, in the May 6, 1992 _New York Times_
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:11:20 -0400
From: v115p8d6@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (I have a cunning plan...)
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Subject: Re: RUTH Lyrics
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In article <1992Oct7.160056.19701@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes...
> 
>	The lyric in "Running Up That Hill" does not read "slap our faces";
>it is "swap our places."  Presumably Kate refers to allowing her partner to
>experience female sexual pleasure while herself experiencing male sexual
>pleasure.

huh? I may be way off here but I had always assumed that lyric to mean
that she wishes she could trade places so that they could understand
each other's point of view.


>	And considering all the confusion over lyrics, and considering how
>wonderful those lyrics are, why has Kate never published a collection of
>lyrics and overdubs?  Seems to me this would be an indispensable item.
> 

It would indeed. However, someone has put together a complete listing
of the lyrics off all her albums, including bootlegs, that include things
spoken in the background, spoken backwards (!) and spoken in a foreign
language....in other words, the things you usually can't get on a lyric
sheet.:-)
I don't know the ftp site that you can get them off of but I am sure 
that someone here could help you with it.




>				Keep Dreaming,
>				Andrew D. Simchik
> 
>PS This is my first-ever posting.  If I'm missing any protocol, someone
>please let me know.  My opinions and the U of R's are worlds apart.
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:47:50 -0400
From: dhubbell@cs.washington.edu (David Hubbell)
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
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Subject: When does Tori go south?
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa

I know this isn't quite the right mailing list and I know Tori's tour dates
have already been posted, but I also know a rabid Tori fan in Florida who wants
to know when she's coming for Florida or Georgia.
	Thanks,
	Dave
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:13:30 -0400
Message-ID: <9210161912.AA02390@whistler.sfu.ca>
From: Fiona_McQuarrie@sfu.ca
Errors-To: Love-Hounds-request@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Them Other Women
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa

 After reading Ben from the Netherlands' request regarding Tori Amos
material:
 Well, Ben, I know that you won't be signing up for it :) but there *is* a
 Tori Amos newsgroup:

 really-deep-thoughts@gradient.cis.upenn.edu
 (requests to join and other administrivia to really-deep-thoughts-request@
   gradient.cis.upenn.edu)

 I too am a bit fed up with cross-postings, partially because I belong to
 both groups and don't like to have to read the same material twice. Given
that
 this group here is devoted to Ms. Bush, I would think that info. on Ms.
Amos'
 concerts, records, etc., are probably of more interest to the really-deep-
 thoughts group.....

 However, if there is ever a Bush/Amos double bill, or the National
Enquirer
 cover story is "Tori Amos is Really Kate Bush - Red Wig Falls Off, Truth
is
 Revealed", then I am sure that the readers of both groups would be equally
 interested!
Fiona McQuarrie
fmcquarr@sfu.ca

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:38:47 -0400
From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke)
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