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From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,wpi.students.desis,alt.rodney-king
Subject: Re: Abuse of Usenet Privileges
Date: 15 Oct 92 05:03:35 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article no. <sdjfhjds> U15297@uicvm.uic.edu (Shyamala Parameswaran) said:
>Mr. Ravi Narayan, just a word of warning.
>
>Your last post provides sufficient grounds for
>harassment. I've saved a copy and will be
>forwarding it for appropriate action.
>
>Shyamala

hope this case won't turn out to be as serious as the rodney king
case!!



suresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG)
Subject: Re: more about india(from Subbarao)
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:58:18 GMT

In article <92289.233713U11983@uicvm.uic.edu> Shyamala Parameswaran <U11983@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.232601.22226@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
>usubrama@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Uma M Subramanian) says:
>>
>>[ "The Lord then told Moses to tell the people of Israel ...."]
>>
>>["Here, then, is Moses' address to Israel, stating all the laws God
>>had commanded him to pass on to them: ..."]
>>
>>["And Moses said to the people of Israel, 'And now, O Israel, ..."]
>>
>>Uma Subramanian
>
>
>This might have stolen the thunder normally.
>
>Gods and Moses and their addresses and their passages might

[deleted]

>
>Shyamala

Well, we finally end up in the all-too-familiar situation of BLOATED EGOS
preventing a decent ending to any discussion on SCI.

Keep fighting. SCI is _meant_ to be used for long-distance fist-fights...  

Sigh...

Regards,

--Sudhi.

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From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Abuse of Usenet Privileges
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:11:16 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

dharmendra Khanolkar) blunders:

>>Mr. Ravi Narayan, just a word of warning.
>			  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>	> GRAMMAR FLAME : SHOULD IT NOT BE : WORD OF CAUTION RATHER THAN
>WORD OF WARNING ?

FLAME FLAME: IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN WORD USAGE FLAME AND NOT GRAMMAR
FLAME. I AM HAPPY THAT YOU USED THE RIGHT SPELLING FOR GRAMMAR.
 

suresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Subject: Classical Music -- Mallikarjun Mansur
Keywords: Attention Rajan Parrikar, request
Reply-To: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre, Munich
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:47:03 GMT

Sorry to intrude on your most original, erudite and witty exchanges
and to disturb your intellectual activities, but may I post something
about classical music?

Thanks, Natarajan (sri@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) for your article on Sri
Semmangudi, KVN and others.  I also want to contact Rajan Parrikar
(I wonder if I have spelt that right).  Could someone pass this on
to him?

Rajan, I am unable to access rec.music.classical.indian,  but would
like to read the excerpts  from Shri Joshi's book ("Down Memory Lane",
is that right?) that you periodically post -- anecdotage about his
encounters with and impressions of famous Indian musicians (all from
the Hindustani parampara, I believe).  Would it be possible for you
to mail me the articles periodically?

I was very sad to read last month of the death of Pandit Mallikarjun
Mansur.  I wonder if Shri Joshi had written anything about him.  Over
the years, my parents were fortunate to make his acquaintance and
forge a friendship with him.  My father recently wrote to me:

	A piece of sad news: the one and only Mallikarjun Mansur
	passed away on the 14th.  There was an outpouring of tributes
	and affectionate, admiring evaluations.  The Hindustan Times
	published an article I offered them. (And there was one awful
	typographical error --  I wrote: "The torrent has gone back into
	the magic mountain from which it used to flow".  It got printed
	as "The torment ...")

It isn't flowery atishayokti to say that anything we write is so
inadequate for describing the heavenly magic Mallikarjun-ji and
his ilk have given us -- it requires a Bendre to do so.

Regards,
Sanjiva

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From: sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Self-Appointed policeman, judge, jury and executioner
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:23:40 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

rnk@cbnews.cb.att.com (ram.n.kumar) writes:

) Light hearted? Really? Do not try to convince me.

) Call your loved ones using the same terms you used to
) label others repeatedly. See if they buy your light-hearted-joke story!

Sigh. Check out rec.humor.funny sometime. 

) Why the hell do you care to flame people for such insignificant reasons,
) if you are not in some sense policing the net? If you do not want
) to read a note just move on. Or, learn to look at the index page first,
) select only those notes that interest you and read them.

Though I principally disagree with Prem having posted 3 such messages
in a single day, I thought his message was clear enough to the newbies
to spend some effort to find material to post on the net. FYI, for all
you know, AT&T might be patenting the 'notes' you use. So please ask
the appropriate persons and let us know if we could use it. Since we
all possess lousy software, you will be doing a service. Moral of the
story: Noone uses the same software!

) If someone who is not familiar with news software or even computers,
) what is wrong with someone posting a test note, just to get started or
) as they call it, to get their feet wet first? What kind of a welcome mat
) are you rolling out for their very first test note?

Check out alt.test, misc.test, ... The names imply that they are test
groups. If they are not please let me know.

If you weren't asked by your news administrator to read
news.announce.newusers, tell him that he should. If you may ask why,
it is the general consensus of news administrators. You aren't allowed
to cross the road until you are taught how to. news.announce.newusers
is in essence the distilled wisdom of the net. 

BTW, I personally form opinions about people about their written
material and not guessing whether they are male, female or whether they
are old or young etc. That is a wonderful feature of Usenet/Email
communications. So please expect respect based on your postings.
Nothing is mandatory here. Give and take. That is Usenet's motto.

You can have your last word.

Sridhar.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Tuition Waiver Policy
From: mthirukkonda@desire.wright.edu
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:27:45 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

Hi netters !

This message is being posted on behalf of my friend. Please direct ur replies
to the email address in the message.

Thank u,
Murali.
________________________________________________________________________________
I am the graduate representative in the student government at Wright State 
University, Dayton, OH.  I am planning to put forth a proposal to seek tution 
waiver policy for those international graduate students who come to this school
without any financial aid.  The number of Indian students coming to this campus
every year is steadily increasing.  I would like some input on how to go about 
this process from experienced persons, especially those who are studying at a 
State University, since ours is a State funded institution.  Please post any 
relevant information on this matter to the following address :

                       nganesh@eve.wright.edu. 

Your assistance in this matter will be very much appreciated.

Thanks

GANESH NARAYANSWAMI.
________________________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vtg1714@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Vishwanath Tirupattur  )
Subject: Re: Muslims will start an Armed Rebellion
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:12:10 GMT

If one considers the speech as such (i.e., not with standing the fact that
Jagrithi is well known as BJP/ABVP mouth piece and as such any thing      
published in Jagrithi is usually to push BJP/ABVP agenda) I find that there 
is certainly some truth in the speech attributed to ISS chief.  It is not 
untrue that in a vast majority of the communal riots in India, members of the
Muslim community have suffered more than their Hindu counterparts.  Ample 
documentation exists to this effect (before anyone pounces on me demanding
references, suffice to say that a quick review of Economic Political Weekly's
past issues would be more than adequate).  It is also not untrue that
Uma Bharathi's casettes and speeches are very venomous and contain many pointed
references to the Muslim community in very derogatory ways.  Anyone who has 
heard her speeches/tapes will vouch for that.  That the two "Yatras" have 
contributed to the heightening of communal passions is also not untrue.  

The point I am trying to make is that, even though I do not endorse the views
held by the ISS chief entirely, at least some of the things he is saying are
indeed true.  And as to the implicit threatening and communal posture, I do not
find it, either in language or content any more offensive than some of the
BJP leaders like Murali Manohar Joshi and VHP leaders like Ashok Singhal. 

Vishwanath
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Subject: Solarz lost. Now what?
Originator: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:55:45 GMT

		Solarz lost. Now what?

  The report that Pakistanis and Sikhs caused Solarz's defeat does not seem
logical (although it is true that some people on s.c.p. were celebrating
after his defeat.) It is fairly clear that the factors which went against him
were: 1) involvement in check bouncing, and 2) standing in a Hispanic majority
district.
  Another question of interest is whether he is likely to be appointed
Secretary of State or some similar cabinet position if Clinton wins. Unlike
in India, there is no requirement for a Cabinet member to be a member of 
Congress or Senate. The president is free to appoint anyone whom he wants.
Of course, these appointees to the Cabinet, Supreme Court etc have to be
confirmed by committees of the Congress and Senate, which is probably worse
than facing an election. (Remember Long Dong Silver ?)
  Thus, although Solarz theoretically could be appointed to the Cabinet, his
defeat has discredited him and it is rather unlikely that Clinton will think
of him at this point.
  Another misfortune for India is that the only other India lobbyist
Congressman Dymally has retired. However, every cloud has a silver lining.
The two Congressmen who have been most hostile to India are Wally Herger (CA)
and Dan Burton (IN). It was earlier reported that both of them were facing
problems in their campaign for re-election. Does anyone know their present 
status? Did they get through the primaries?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: eleeafj@menudo.uh.edu (P. Narendra)
Subject: Re: Who are these anti-India Sikhs? ( was: Re: Solarz lost. Now what?)
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 03:17:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.171116.16884@infonode.ingr.com> barakam@infonode.ingr.com (Sreedhar Barakam) writes:
>In article <1b1mq2INNljo@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu) writes:
>>Well I do not know about Dan Burton, but Wally Herger is the Congressman 
>>from our area here in Chico in Northern California, and he has a sizable
>>anti-India Sikh populace in Yuba City, which is bound to get him elected
>>even now. I wonder how could India Today mention something like the fact
>>that he is facing a tough battle for election here. In fact in the check
>>bouncing scandal his name had not even figured and besides he has a good
>>amount of support from the hardline anti-Indian community here.
>>
>>Vivek.
>
>I know there are supporters for Khalistan movement all over the world. I am
>curious to know what makes them support this movement.
>Most of these supporters in India, are unemployed minority of sikhs who try
>to impose their movement on the majority- or so goes my impression so far.
>But why do those who are in, say California, support this movement?
>
>
>Sreedhar Barakam.

FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THERE ARE  MORE SUPPORTERS FOR KHALISTAN IN LOS ANGELES
THAN IN LUDHIANA.

    Well, I have always wondered why there  anti-India sikhs in US.  In other
words, how have they been denied anything that they have bad feelings for India.
Just curious.


Naren
From: ngopalas@ha02.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: More about India
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:17:37 GMT
Organization: The University of Alabama

In article <1992Oct7.231431.3114@b30.ingr.com>, shiva@b30.ingr.com (Shiva Shivakumar) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct6.150358.28380@coe.montana.edu> prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar) writes:
|> 
|> I sympathize with victims of eve-teasing and other forms of sexual harassment
|> in India. But I agree with your sentiments.

Crocodile tears.

|> Talking about men staring and passing comments at women here, well, I do not
|> think that the nettors will deny that, but it is a question of scale.

Scaled obviously by men's standards. Listen when ALL females responding to this
thread have said that they do not find it appealing, then something must be 
wrong when you insist that the problem is "scaled". Not ONE female said that 
she felt it was exaggerated,maybe you ought to listen to the ones who's opinion
really matters rather than indulge in some male bonding.

|> 
|> Also, may be the Indian females find the comments in India crude and the comments
|> here 'polished'; and the physical characteristics of the people uttering these
|> comments result in the same comment classified as 'crude eve-teasing' or
|> 'harmless flirting (how cute!)'.

Sour grapes.

|> 
|> I couldn't help getting a little annoyed when an Indian girl here once talked
|> about this 'rowdy' gang in her Banglore college and then said that when men
|> give compliment here (once a guy admired her in a bathing suit) they do it
|> so 'decently'...
|> 

Have you thought about the fact that the style of delivery matters a lot too?
Men in India ( for the most part) do not "admire", they just hardball the female
like animals in a cage and strip them bare with their eyes. It is a cold, meth-
odical task for most, shame is an unknown term to them. I have heard this from
American men who fear taking their wives and daughters because here if the woman
stares back the man knows she doesn't like it and usually turns away, but in 
India if she stares back, the guy thinks she is interested or takes it as a ch
allenge to outstare her. :-)

|> Jagadisan Shivakumar
|> 
|> 
Nath.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ash@syacus.acus.oz.au (Ash Nallawalla)
Subject: Re: Prof. Indiresan's visit to the US and Europe
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:26:27 GMT

ngopalas@ha24.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy) writes:

>I would gladly welcome the chance to make any arrangements for my previous
>profs, even though I am not "oblized" to. It helps a tremendous lot to know
>and compare notes on what is happening back in the IIT's, maybe even sound
>out any possible positions or career opportunities available back there or
>outside. Far from being a burden, their input on such crucial matters is more
>than welcome.

>I predict lot more flames coming your way. But then before you interpret this
>as a flame,

You have put it nicely.  I am not an ex-IITian, and have sometimes wished
that other illustrious colleges promoted the existence of their alumni
associations if any.  I too would enjoy meeting old classmates or
lecturers ("professor" was a misused term at my college) and I would
offer them hospitality if needed in the form of accommodation. 

I hope people don't flame the original poster.  I can imagine there
is a minority to whom his comments might apply.  Generalisations were
uncalled for, though.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy)
Subject: Good samaritan helping the dead
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:04:17 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Keywords: Samaritan Good

apnews reports:
 NEW DELHI, India (AP) _ Some good Samaritans help the poor,
others help the sick, but a man in western India may be the first
to routinely help the dead.
	   Every day, free-lance journalist Shyam Narain Garg visits a
police station in the city of Jaipur to inquire about its dead, the
Hindustan Times newspaper said Monday.
	   Then, the 40-year-old reporter goes to the government mortuary
to look for unclaimed bodies, which by law must be cremated by
police.
	   In the Hindu religion, funerals ideally should be performed by
the closest relative of the dead, who cracks open the cremated
person's skull with a stick to liberate the soul.
	   Garg accompanies unclaimed bodies and provides the traditional
funeral service that is so important to India's overwhelmingly
Hindu population.
	   In the past 10 years, he has helped cremate an estimated 300
bodies, or one every 12 days, the report said. ``I do this job
because it is abhorred by most of us,'' Garg was quoted as saying.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: More about India
From: J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 00:47:09 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: Harrasment
Summary: Harrasment
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>the following conclusion is inevitable: Indians in general are
>less
>evolved along several social dimensions - sexism, racism,
>casteism,
>work ethic, common courtesy, etc. - than their American
>counterparts. There may be many reasons, but only those who have
>an unusually little grasp of reality would conclude otherwise.


>Satya Prbahakar

Bravo!

*SEATTLE (UPI) -- Crowd control at rock 'n' roll shows in Seattle
*now includes projections of topless women in the crowd on concert
*video screens.
*Officers were told that promoters would project images of bare
*breasts on the screens to counter rowdy behavior.
*The order said, in part, ``Females will be boosted onto the
*shoulders of companions, where they will expose their breasts to
*a camera that projects the image on the big screen. This form of
*entertainment has served to keep the crowd in check.''
*Concert promoter Dan Bean of Entertainment Consultants Inc. said
*the sight does tend to help control crowds between performances by
*the bands.

Highly evolved bunch of characters:)

Why is it that we never really understand that the 'average' person
is the 'average' person irrelevant of the nationality.

Have any of U who have been talking about going to pubs and being
picked up really felt less intimidated in a pub? Very unlikey
 

I was with a few white friends once when a bloke came up and asked
this mate of mine for a dance - when she refused his next statement
was - how about a blow job? She thought it was rather cute and
laughed it off. He later came back and called her a lost puppy
which needed to be taken home and cuddled. When that did not work
he used absusive language - naturally he was pissed. By the end of
the night she was scared to death.

Having hit nearly every pub in and around Sydney (from the ritzy
snazzy ones to the bikie frequented ones) one brilliant observation
that I made was that the 'harrasment' was the same. It depended on
how far the 'average' male could get away with it.

Evolution, as you have quoted, has serious racist connotations - Do
U consider yourself more evolved than the average Indian - If U
have - since when have U evolved to these 'higher' levels above the
rest. The difference between you and the average Joe Schmoe
American or the Ram Laxman Indian is your education. 

The difference in the behaviour of men comes with the enforcement
of the law - which is more enforceable in the developed countries -
Not due to 'evolution'. 

Do select your words carefully.

John Ainikkal
'Aotearoa' - Land of the long white cloud
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: smoking percentages in India and US
Date: 15 Oct 1992 19:46:15 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

In article no. <sdjfhjds> janand@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Jayaraman Anand) said:
>Hi !
>    I would like to know the percentage of people who smoke in India
>and in the US. Are these numbers decreasing ?        
>	Can somebody refer me to some magazines etc., which carry these
>details.
>Thanks.
>J Anand.

i think people smoke a lot lesser out here than anywhere else. usually
i see smokers only in nude bars etc. i too smoke only when i get
extremely drunk.



suresh





Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: murthy@novell.com (M.D. Srinivas Murthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: India Growth Fund
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:50:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: novell.1992Oct16.225028.12313
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

I remember seeing some article about "India Growth Fund". If anyone has a
copy of that article or can give some information about this fund i would
really appreciate it. What I am interested in is who is managing this fund
and any phone numbers to get the prospectus etc.

thanks
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sheth@cs.iastate.edu (Divyesh K sheth)
Subject: HELP NEEDED @ U.C.BERKELEY
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:18:00 GMT

Hi ,

Can anybody at U.C. Berkeley help me?
I need a photocopy of one phd dissertation done at UCB.
I tried with our interlibrary loan dept. but they told me that
UCB library does not send any photocopies. So I will have to get 
the original and get it photocopied. This will take atleast two weeks and
around 30$. 

So if somebody at UCB is kind enough to send me a photocopy at following
address, I will be very grateful. I will pay for photocopy and postage.

The dissertation is by E.E. Chang
"Effective Clustering and Buffering in an Object Oriented Database"
1989, computer science dept.

Thanks in advance.

Divyesh Sheth
sheth@iastate.edu
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