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From: yunson@lpf.umd.edu (Yunson Du)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Action-9201.appendix
Keywords: the general CSS, those CSS, misunderstood
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:29:45 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <2AD21004.22944@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr 
Shannon Yeh) writes:

>However, the situation is a little bit "confusing" this time: the US government
>is quiet on this blood card bill; and the Chinese government is quiet, too,
>on this blood card bill.  The only party who is angry toward this blood card
>bill is the Chinese people such as Shannon Yeh.  The reason for the White
>House to be quiet is so that they cannot see any direct benefit from granting
>this bill; the reason for the Chinese government to be quiet is so that they
>feel "losing-face" if they over-react to this "Chinese-sell-Chinese" case.
>The reason for the Chinese people to be angry is so that they feel the justice
>has been raped by those CSS, and the facts has been twisted by those CSS.
>
>Regardless this bill will be passed or not, most of the CSS, including those
>CSS, will go home someday.  By then, the Chinese PEOPLE will hate the blood
>carders.  If the regular CSS do not distinct themselves from those CSS, they
>will suffer when they return to China someday: who knows you did not work on 
>the blood card in 1992?
>
>So, if you did not directly support the blood card petition, I strongly 
>recommend you to sign up at "blood-card@netix.com".  If you do not speak out 
>your standing, you may be misunderstood in the future.
>
>Obviuosly, upon your own discretion.
>
>shannon
>-------

Geez! A lot of threatening words. 

Once upon a time, there was a landlord who killed all the tenants
who spoke against him. Fortunately, one tenant who also spoke
against him temperorily visited another place (which could be
rich). The owner of that place was quite sympathetic to the tenant
and thus permitted the tenant to stay. 

Should the tenant stay?
Should the tenant be accused of blood-carder if he chooses to stay?
From: math1pf@elroy.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: BASIC DECENCY
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:11:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct2.212707.14287@linus.mitre.org>, 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes...
> 
>> 
>> >**************************   Cut by this line  ****************************
>> > 
>> >Dear Later comers (later than April 11, 1990):
>> > 
> >To: President George Bush
>> >Re: Bill S1216
>> > 
>> >Please veto this bill.  It is damaging the interests, equal rights, and equal
>> >opportunities of Chinese nationals who arrived in this country after April 11,
>> >1990.
>>
>> >The bill will also put the late arrivals in a disadvantageous situation when
>> >they try to stay by finding employment.  Suddenly they have to compete with a
>> >increased population of permanent residents.  It is obvious that employers are
>> >more willing to hire permanent residents than foreigners.  I believe many
>> >American people's jobs or potentials will be negatively influenced by this
>> >bill, too.
>> >
>> 
>> Don't try to threaten people. There are hundreds of thousands of 
>> graduates coming out of college plus around 800,000 new PR's to this country
>> each year,why these CSS can make so much difference ? Besides, these additional 
>> PR's will be balanced gradually according to S1216 which again may not hurt you
>> that much but still makes you worried.
>> 
>> So,after noticing so many wrong logics in this petition letter,I strongly
>> urge you to withdraw it(if you know how ),or rewrite a more convincing one.
>> After all this is a letter to the president of USA representing some of CSS,
>> it has to be at least a decent one. 
> 
>============
> 
>Another example of D(Dog)-fighter? Two dogs fight over one bone.  Guess
>which dog will win?  What I can say - a miserable
>tragedy.

Can I guess you have had your bone already? While you were trying to humiliate
others,you just did it to yourself first.
From: bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 3 Oct 92 14:33:36 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <1992Oct1.225614.25709@odin.corp.sgi.com> yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:
>In article <BvGqD5.HuC@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang
>Yuanxin) writes:
>
>|>  I borrowed 4 books about Korean war from Chicago public library monthes
>|> ago, at least two of them mentioned the POW incident, very very close to
>|> what I heared in China. Also, I found that books published after 1980
>|> are more reliable, less propaganda. 
>|>  If you wanto know the books names I borrowed, I can give you next week,
>
>Why next week? Let us have it now.
>You can also help by quote what you think is important to know.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Do Something For Yourself, Guys--Protection Bill.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:23:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.181651.27728@linus.mitre.org> 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:
...
>> >> ..., ...
>> > Yes, I will do something for myself, but not by using other people's blood
>> >and telling lies. I am against this bill.
>> 
>> If Bush signs the bill and move the date to current, are you still hate the 
>> bill? Why don't you call Bush and ask him to do so. That is what to do sth
>> for yourself.
>> 
>> 
>
>Yes, I still hate the bill, unless this bill can cover all Chinese student.

    I still hate the bill, unless this bill can cover all WORLD students.

>....


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Subject: Pi3 Fu1's responsibility
X-Vers: University of Oregon Version dmm-02 30-Oct-90
Posted-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 10:28 EST
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:39:00 GMT

          Also related to the concept of pi3 fu1 is what Gu4 Ting2
          Lin2 (east forest party member?  Also named gu4 yan2 wu3)
          said about china:

                 Guo2 jia1 xing1 wang2, pi3 fu1 you3 ze2.
                 (Single men can save China)

          This theory differs from Chairman Mao's "only socialist can
          save China" theory.  And is, of course, a sexist theory.
          But I feel at least one thing is correct: Those who are not
          married should join the army at the wartime.  Note this
          slogen was presented several hundred yrs ago.  So the
          chinese pioneered the theory of fair drafting.

          It puzzles me why unmarried people should die first.  In
          terms of life experience, those who have married, especially
          those who have kids, should be at the top of the list, but
          ...

          Tu Ya
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Protection Bill
From: <LHGCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Saturday, 3 Oct 1992 21:44:57 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

       chenx@cua.edu  wrote
/Subject: Protection Bill
/Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 07:07:19 GMT

/For the discussion of the protection bill, there is always an assumption
/that Chinese government want these Chinese students go back to China.
/My question is whether or not it is true.

I agree. We Chinese intellectuals always overestimate ourselves, especially
under CCP's rule. Please remember a lots of scholars went back during early
50's after the funding of PRC. What happened to them? Endless political
campaigns to reform them (brain wash), to harass, to torture them. Those
who went back thought that they  were too important to the 'country', so
they should wake up.  If anyone still believes he/she is too important
to CCP, he/she has to calm down. Nothing is more important than the throne,
stable surpasses anything. Suppose you guys go back. Where will you go?
universities, colleges, etc. Even if you never take streets, you can not
possibly keep your mouth shut. Little by little, you give your own opinions.
What kind of opions? to whom? at where? You are trouble makers, even you
do not realize it yourselves. It takes long time to reform you. Even you
are very cooperative, when the job is finished, some damages are done
already to the society.  Well. Wait until there are some changes take place
inside China. Before that, nobody WANTS you back.
If CCP protests the bill, that is for their faces, not for you.
Wang L H
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wang@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU
Subject: Why I was denied to get access to ahkcus.org ?
Reply-To: wang@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:55:18 GMT

Hi,


  I tried to ftp files in ahkcus.org. When I log in, I use 'get' to get some
file. But I was given "Permisson Denied".

  Does any one know how to solve this problem ?
From: v243lwfy@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (Guoqing Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: New topic: What do you eat and how do you prepare your food?
Summary: Pork rib w/ red/white carote
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:52:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.BvntMM.720
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <liqiang.718248207@kramden>, liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li) writes...
>Hi, folks!
> 
>Let me take the liberty to start a new topic here. What do u guys usu
>eat? How do u prepare your food? How long does it usu take u to prepare
>your dinner?
> 
>I'd like to welcome comments from everybody: Chinese, non-Chinese. My under-
>standing is that most people do some cooking. CSS who have just arrived
>from China tend to cook more rather than eat out and many are non-experts.
>Maybe thru communications on the net, everyone can enjoy his/her meal better.
> 
>As most people are busy most of the time, they can't spend too much time on
>cooking; many people end up either going hungry or sticking to a boring
>diet. Would u guys like to shed some light on how to improve our
>life in this respect? Don't email me!
> 
>Thanx for your attention!
> 
> 
>- Li, Qiang

This is a very good topic! I found eating becoming a difficult daily affairs.
I don't want to cook, but I have to. I am still not used to American foods.
Sometimes, I am even picky on the food because there cann't be many variety 
by myself.  So, let me share one dish here. Hopefully you will like it and 
give a try.

Ingradients:  pork ribs, red round carrote (about 2-3 cm in diameter, sold
		in suppermarket in about half or one lb a pack) or white
		long carrote (about 4-6 am in diameter and 30-60 cm in length)
	      cooking wine, salty soy source, ginger root, spring onion
	      etc.
method: ask meat dept in a supermarket to cut the ribs in a cross-sectional 
	direction, cut by yourself in the size you desire. prepare a large-
	enough pot, put some cooking oil, fry the meat for a while, put 
	ginger root in sliced pieces and spring onion in, stir and cook for
	awhile. pour some cooking wine and soy source. stir and sit for a while.
	if you find too much oil out form the meat, pour it out.  add small 
	amount of water and seam it for about 20 minutes.  Then add carrote in.
	how well it should done, you can try. I found this dish is not 
	defficult to prepare and it dosen't taste bad.  Usually, I bought 5-6
	lbs of the meat, cook 2-3 lbs a time, and comsume it 2-3 days.

Hopefully after one or two try, you can find your own way to cook this dish 
and you would like it.  Should you have any question, feel free to e-mail me.

Good luck and enjoy eating!

Guoqing Lin  

		
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: taoc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tao Chen)
Subject: Re: Unzip, Electronic Book, FTP Site
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 06:24:35 GMT

> 
> Q: What is the IP number of the FTP site OAK.OAKLAND.EDU? (for electronic books)
> 
> A: I don't know.  Can anyone help check it?   Thanks!
> 
 Hi, there,
 here may be what you are looking for

	Aliases: oak.oakland.edu 
	Host: rigel.acs.oakland.edu
	Address: 141.210.10.117
	Machine: DECstation 5000
	System: Ultrix 4.2

This kind of information can be gotten through NIS (Network
Information Service, formerly Sun's Yellow Book). To check
the number if you know the IP name, you may use a very
nice program called 'host'. It is in public domain which can
found in many anonymous FTP sites ( you may 

    % telnet archie.rutgers.edu 
     login: archie
     archie> set mailto user@yourhost
     archie> set search sub
     archie> prog host  
     archie> mail  
 you will get a e-mail with lots of sites with 'host'. )

 Good luck.
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From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What is Action 9201?
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:05:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Sep27.150521.633
Organization: The Ohio State University

The discrimination against foreigners in China is institutionalized, and in
my opinion, much worse than the discrimination against foreigners in the
U.S., though I admit the latter does exist.

In China there's a different price scale for foreigners, and foreigners must
go where they are directed to go. For example, they must stay in the most
expensive hotels. Many taxi drivers will not accept Renminbi from foreigners
even if they have a "white card" (I know that in some cities *no one*  can
pay taxidrivers with Renminbi, but in other cities, like Beijing, it's only
foreigners.) Many foreigers who have intimate relationships with PRC citizens
are threatened or harassed. Most foreigners must live in segregated
dormitories if they live on a college campus. Chinese entering these
dormitories must sign in, so that contact with foreigners can be kept track
of and discouraged.

It may seem to you like foreigners live a luxurious life in China, but life 
in a golden cage is still life in a cage. Discrimination against Africans
in China is a whole nother story which I will not go into here. (I was only
addressing discrimination against Westerners above: the Africans come in
for special treatment in China, because they are generally regarded in 
China as coming from especially backward and inferior cultures.)
From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:53:29 GMT
Organization: IBM
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <1992Sep30.191822.874@unine.ch>, Congzhong.Wang@info.unine.ch writes:
> 
>  I don't know exactly what happened. But I can't agree with you that "most" of
> POWs wanted to go to Taiwan. Didn't they care about their families still in
> mainland or be afraid of CCP's punishments? According to one article I
> mentioned above,

I am confused by your message. I couldn't find any reference cited "above".
Perhaps my English comprehension is limited. Or maybe I didn't follow the
thread from the beginning. But, please provide me a reference (accessible
publication) describing this incidence. It is always good for having third party
references besides the ones involved, preferrably from UN or USA. The source
from communist China is OK, too. For that, we can have an overall picture
of what was happening at that time.

> some KMT's agents were sent to Korea and they FORCED   POWs
> to go to Taiwan, and they treated those who wouldn't and some PLA and CCP
> members very cruely. I would rather not mention the details.


At that time those POWs were under internment by UN troops. How could those
CNP (TM *) agents approach those PLA and CCP members "cruelly"?


>  Those who did come back to mainland hadn't been treated very well for a long
> time, because if captured and not killed, CCP would still consider him a
> traitor(like KMT's "bu4 cheng2 gong1, ze2 cheng2 ren2 ?). It is really very
> sad.

*: Chinese Nationalist Party. For KMT was only a transliteration of the
nationalist party. There are many countries which have nationalist party.
It is misleading and a misrepresentation by using KMT. I could be the only
one using CNP. So, I am gladly claiming that term as my trade mark. 8=)

Or, is there a Taiwanese Nationalist Party? 8=)


-- 
/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
 * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
\* Ter-Yuan Lee                                                              */
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:53:46 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Oct4.201936.15899@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:

>You said something about "China" in a different way than a Chinese would do.

You really confused me. What is your definition of a Chinese?
What is the way a Chinese would do? I think a Chinese is just
any people in the world. When Jane Fonder was sitting on the
anti-aircraft-gun in Vietnam, was she behaving the way an American
would not have done?

Sometimes, I think other people have stronger feeling to Chinese people 
than the so-called Chinese who, after slaughtered so many innocent Chinese
people, still claim they were justified.

If you define that as Chinese, to be honest, I would be ashamed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 05:36:57 GMT

In article <BvIvDA.HsH@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> yawei@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (~{QG9p~}) writes:
>
>
>A few years back students in Bloomington would find Oct. 1 to be an 
>good excuse for partying. One year they managed to invite the
>mayor of Bloomington, Ms. Tomi Allison, to address the assembly.
>Ms. Allison started, "today is the thirty X anniversary of the
>national day of China. Thirty X years, such a young nation,
>such an old culture ... blah blablah ...".
>
>Which just goes to show that Oct. 1 is not, and should not be,
>China's national day!  We are NOT a "YOUNG" nation!  Oct. 1 is
>nothing but the day the Communist Party of China came to 
>power, calling it the "national day" of China is as ridiculous
>as George Bush's (hyperthetically) calling Jan 20, 1989 as the
>USA's national day.
>
>

Emergency!!! National Day lost! Could someone please find out
a date at least 5000 years old to be our national day!

An old nation doesn't have birth day, it just fades in.
From: pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Extra charge for revieving letters from abroad?
Date: 3 Oct 92 21:46:39 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: /home/pi/.organization
In-reply-to: mei@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu's message of 1 Oct 92 23:53:50 GMT

In article <mei-011092192011@pgl6.chem.nyu.edu> mei@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu (Guang Mei) writes:

 >  In article <BvGqBI.9rF@cs.dal.ca>, wzhuang@cs.dal.ca (Wendy Huang) wrote:
 >  > 
 >  > Hi, 
 >  > 
 >  > I just got a letter from home, saying that there is extra fee (RMB 1.00)
 >  > to receive a letter from abroad. Any confirmation about it?
 >  > 
 >  > W

 >  Yes, it is true that the person who receives the letter has to pay RMB 1.00
 >  in order to get the letter. This practice started in June and it does not
 >  make any sense. The explanation I heard was that postal man would deliver
 >  the letter as a registed letter. Someone may hope it would reduce the
 >  possibilty of mail getting lost, but I know for a fact that letter still
 >  gets lost even after this ridiculous regulation started.

It sounds absolutely rediculous. I wonder when they are going to charge
our family or relatives in the homeland for more fees of electricity,
phone service, COLD water, simply because they have "Hai3 Wai4 Guan1 Xi" 
- oversea relations. 

Please let me know if someday you hear about they charge more fees of
breathing air to people who have "Hai3 Wai4 Guan1 Xi".


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: paul@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Paul Chen)
Subject: Re: Has Anyone Received Any E-mail Replies from China?
Organization: City College of New York - Science Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 13:45:20 GMT

Yes, I receive e-mail form Beijing very often. What else you
want to know?


-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Oct. 1, greedcard, and others
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:50:30 GMT

In article <9210030252.AA15055@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu  
writes:
> 
>           I would urge people to think a question: what if the current
>           bill enrolled says:  Deport all CSS in the U.S.?
> 
>           1.  Will Bush sign it?
>           2.  What will group A do?
>           3.  What will group B do?
>           4.  What will Shannon Yeh do?

I am not sure what Bush will do. I guess he will be scare to death (heart  
attack) to see such an unusual bill. Group A abd B will definitely stop  
fighting and Shannon Yeh will probably apply for Australian permanent residency  
immediately.


Carl
From: szhao@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Can someone help me?
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:14:53 -0600
Summary: need phone numbers
Reply-To: szhao@memstvx1.memst.edu
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

Can somebody give the information below:
(1) The campus operator's phone number in GuangZhou Normal Institute,
    which is very close to Guangzhou Train Station.
(1) The telephone area code in Shenzhen.

Thanks you!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hl2a@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Haiyan  Liu)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:54:36 GMT

Hi, netters:

I don't have access to soc.culture.china and soc.politics.china. If anybody has
ideas on how to subscribe to these groups by another way, please email to
tan@cwu.  Thank you in advance for your assistance.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cxpwu@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Wu XiPing)
Subject: soc.culture.china
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:21:26 GMT

Yesterday, I went to the final matches of the Konica Cup held in the 
Singapore Indoor Stadium. Here is the final results:      
   Men's single champion: Zhao Jian Hua!!!
It seems that the unbeatable and most-graceful-to-watch Zhao has finally
regained his form after the misfortune at Barcelona. He smashed the match
to win over Ardy W. of Indonesia in less than 30 min. The final scores were
15-8, 15-1. Zhao is definitely the crowd faverate and drow a thundering 
ovation when he entered the court.
  Women's single champion: Ye Zhaoying
                 runner-up: Han Jinna
This is a battle between two girls of 18 and 17 years of age. Ye was the 
Chinese national champion and Asian cup champion, while Han is a new 
comer (ranks 5th nationally). Ye finished the match in 3 games. Aparently 
both of them are very promising of potential to challege the lady from
Indonesia (Susi Susanti).

   Men's double champions: Chen Kang & Chen Hongyong
They basically toyed with the two chaps from Thailand. It's fun to watch,
and kind like an exhibition game.
   Women's double: a pair of Gillians from English
           Runner-up: a Chinese teenage pair

  Cheers!
  Wu

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