HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Date: 6 Sep 92 01:54:15 GMT
Organization: none

*HA*HA*HA*HA*HA*HA*HA*thunk*Ha*ow*heehee*that hurt*chuckle*grin*ha*Ha*HA*
(Sorry, just fell out of my chair laughing...)

        The most _amusing_ thing just happened to me...

        My Mother just offered to _build_ a room for me in my 'rents
basement if I move back "home" (and stop living with my SO)...

        (hysterical laughter)

	I'd rather cut both my legs off with dull letteropeners, set my
head on fire and put it out with a 5 lb. sledgehammer first...

	(To put it mildly, I don't like my 'rents.  They are just trying
to regain the control they lost when I moved out - to live with my
current SO - at age 18.) It's just so damn funny the way she was saying it...
"...you could still see Ed, you know." *HAHAHAHAHAHA* (yeah right... gonna
sell me a bridge next Mommy dearest?) 
 
        This is just so damn amusing... Who says you can't have fun while
your depressed...

                                                =)

P.S.  With my luck, CC will read this and snitch on me... but I don't care
since I don't want it.  

-- 
Psycho Kitten   \ zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    \ Check my .plan \ Just a grim    
Angela M. Watson \ awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu \ for more info  \ reaper wannabe
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Chris Luchini)
Subject: Cheap death.
Reply-To: cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu
Organization: High Energy Physics, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:29:16 GMT

So, here is an interesting problem:

What is the cheapest way to shuffle off this mortal coil, kick the bucket,
dance the last tango, etc? Now, to keep this interesting, you must buy
_everything_ you use to do the deed. For example, if you choose hanging, you
must buy the cord, as well as any other implements (ie bucket to kick over, toll
to pay to get to the middle of the Bay Bridge, etc). Also the deed can not
be free: no jumping out of your 8'th story window, no jumping in front of
trains or trucks.


*1110 W. Green/Urbana IL 61801/217-333-0505/cbl@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu 
* for sale: Springfield Armory Factory Comp, 38 Super, +3 mags. All new
* in box (never fired at all).  $650 or best offer over $600 as of Sep 30.
From: EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: # 42
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:03:25 GMT
Organization: C.C.S.O.

Shouting in unison,
Clapping in time,
Thus filling otherwise
Empty hours.
Creating events for
Eventless lives,
Lest we despair of
Our wasted powers.
 
       --e.k.  Sept. 1992
From: jaffray@oreo.berkeley.edu (Alan Jaffray)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: A Desperate Attempt
Date: 9 Sep 1992 04:53:18 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
Reply-To: jaffray@zippy.sonoma.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: oreo.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep4.072331.14474@pegasus.com> alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe) writes:

>Ah..what about attacking Lurkers..yes..that's it..why do you lurk..to you
>feed on our dispair..?...hope for one of us to actually do it..?..uh
>or it could just be the fascination of a freeway wreck..looking for a
>little blood?;->

Can't speak for everyone... but... I lurk not to watch the despair of
others.  I read ASH for the darkness, for the humor, for the sake of 
seeing the many fascinating people who inhabit it... for Megazone's 
amazingly good poetry and stories, for Set's too-rare fragments of
philosophy and biting cynicism, for the humor of Lucifuge, the insight
of hawkeye, the amusingly intriguing messages from psycho kitten...
and yes, Kali, even to observe you, surely the most graceful and
wicked of goddesses... ;->

I don't post much... because... I don't have the perspective.  It's
been many years since I've felt suicidal.  I'm not really depressed,
except for the occasional period of meaning-of-life angst.  Basically,
I'm a pretty happy person, and as such ASH does not belong to me.
Best to leave it in the hands of those who it is suited for.

Best wishes,

Alan
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg)
Subject: curious
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt.suicide.holiday
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:09:49 GMT

So I'm just wondering why everyone hasn't killed themselves yet...
Here's why I'm still alive at 23:

1) Terror.  Yes, I don't believe in a life after death, but I don't
believe
in one either.  What if all of those fundamentalists are right????
Also, what if I mess up and end up in a wheelchair.

2) Not wanting to "wimp out."  I don't know if anyone has read
Steppenwolf (by Herman Hesse), but the protagonist says that he will
wait until he turns 60, and on that day he will decide if he will kill
himself.  I did that with graduating from college and now with getting
my masters.  (Just prove that you can get a masters, then you can kill
yourself).

3) Ego.  Yeah, I want to die, but if I kill myself, everyone will soon
forget about me...

4) What about my friends and family.  Yeah, what about them...  Any
good suicide canidate will tell you that they have no friends and
their family sucks...

5) Not really wanting to do it.  This for me, is (embarassingly
enough), the most frequent reason for not offing myself.  In fact, I
used to carry around a broken bottle as a dare to myself.  "If I'm
really so depressed, let's just do it."  When I didn't, I would
conclude that things weren't so bad and I'd cheer up.  For obvious
reasons (like being able to live with myself for the rest of my life),
I won't suggest this method to anyone else, but it worked for me.

Anyway, like the heading said, I'm just curious as to why everyone
else is still around...
ZZYZX
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: conibear@sol.carleton.ca (Dave Conibear)
Subject: Yet another artistic death
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:38:42 GMT

In the spirit of the classic post about jumping off a bridge with
differing lengths of piano wire, I offer the following for your
consideration...

On a pleasant winter's day (doesn't HAVE to be winter, but snow on the
ground helps), go bungee jumping.

As you plummet earthwards, repress the impulse to detach yourself from
the bungee cord... making a big splat on the ground is cool but not
particularly aesthetic.

As the cord reaches its maximum length, you'll be strongly
decelerated.  Blood will be rushing to your head.  Your temples will
be pounding.

At this point, take the razor that you've palmed and slice open a
jugular vein (or better, a carotid artery).  Do it at the right angle,
and you'll start to spin like a top as the blood comes fountaining
out.  At the same time, you'll be bouncing up and down on the bungee
cord.  The pattern of blood on snow will put even the coolest
Spiro-graph picture to shame, and the heavy g-forces will drain your
body of its warm red stuff in less time than a Perot presidential
campaign.

[Thanks to psycho kitten for original inspiration and creative advice.]

Dave Q. Conibear                                DQ_Conibear@carleton.ca
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas Ashers!
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 12:14:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.114947.28261@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu
(angela watson) writes:
>>We must accept reality, crappy as it might be for some of us.
>>Shooganai ne.
>	No, I  do not have to accept reality (it just makes life easier
>to live if we do).  Reality is just how you perceive the world around
>you... if you don't like it, alter it.

Some things can't be altered.  It's unfortunate if those things
coincide with precisely what is important to you.

>Just hanging your head and saying
>"I accept it, this is my lot in life" is just alot to crap IMO.  I know
>people that do this... they are generally miserable and _never_ try to
>change their lives for the better.

Maybe they know the limitations of their lives.

>	If I have to go down, I'll go down fighting tooth and nail
>(and take as many as I can with me).

Some people are just tired of fighting it anymore.

Here.  Have a beer.

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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Subject: Follow-up to Death by MISADV..
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 21:27:30 GMT

Psycho kitten's post about the song..Death by Misadventure..and
the one about Death by Lava flow..reminded me of two deaths we
had in the islands this past year that could be classified as
Death by Misadventure..however..they both seemed to fall more into
Death by Stupidity.

1.  Off duty navy fellow was "leading" a group of hikers into a
extinct volcano on one of the "other" islands and it was before
dawn..he fell in!..Luckily..his followers did not follow;-)

2. Off duty military lady decided it would be fun to take a steam
bath in the vents of our very active volcano on zee beeeg island..
she cooked herself...i know it's evil..but I laughed..i mean..*I*
have been known to do very stupid things..but steam bath?  volcano?

.
:wq
.

-- 
**************************************************************************
"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Subject: Re: curious
Organization: none 
Distribution: alt.suicide.holiday
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 04:27:38 GMT

In article <DSTEINBE.92Sep11180949@emmy.nmsu.edu> dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg) writes:
>So I'm just wondering why everyone hasn't killed themselves yet...
>Here's why I'm still alive at 23:
>
> [personal reasons deleted]
>
>Anyway, like the heading said, I'm just curious as to why everyone
>else is still around...
>ZZYZX

	I'm still alive at 20 for different reasons at different times...

1) Too young to overcome behavioral programming...  

2) Fear of making things worse for someone else.  Before the age of 18, I
was afraid that if I died/left, the bad things that happened to me would
be heaped on my siblings... and I wouldn't be there to protect them.

3) Fear of proving "them" right.  I consider failing to kill yourself
(when you _really_ mean to) to be the Ultimate Failure... I didn't want
others to have proof (or think they did) that I was as lousy as they
said I was. 

4) Wanting others dead more than myself.  While I hated my life and myself,
there were still others I hated MUCH more.  I knew they deserved to die
and I wasn't about to go before they did.

5) Prevent others from having what I had.  Just by occupying space, breathing,
and eating, I could at least inconvience others.  Staying alive was
a bigger nuisance than splattering my internals all over the walls.

6) Still having something unfinished.  I'd always say I'll finish this
one thing tonight and then off myself in the wee hours of the morning. By
the time dawn came, I'd usually opted for reason 3, 4 or 5. (Now I
keep 2 score projects going at any given time... always nice to have
a trivial backup reason.)

7) Realizing it was biochemical/hormonal.  Things are a little better
without the BC pills... but I've gone from PMS to CBS (Constant Bitch
Syndrome) for weeks at a time.

8) Having too many choices... it's silly, but I used to not be able to
decide what way I wanted to go.  Did I want to go for tramatization and
splatter myself or did I want it to look like a homicide?? 

	This list is mostly chronological (1-7) but #8 popped up
on and off for the past 10 years.  Before then, it was just reasons 1 & 2
with the occasional combination with #3.


	I'm also curious about something... how early were some of 
your first attempts and what did you do... (Maybe it's time for another
informal anon. poll)

 
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: alto@pegasus.com (Andrea Ostensoe)
Subject: Dated Sigs?
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 21:40:49 GMT

Ian,

I forgot to retort to your comment about my "dated" sig..
Nothing classic is "dated."..End of retort!

Hmmm I'm thinking you might need a bit of torture for having
such thoughts...but..I'm in a good, almost happy mood..
-- 
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"I don't ask for much..just your heart on a silver platter;-)"
						-Kali
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Newsgroups: alt.exotic-music
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: music recomendations wanted
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:07:44 GMT

blink@carson.u.washington.edu (Folded Pliers) writes:

>I am looking for some recommendations for music.
>I do not quite know how to describe what I want easily.

>The kind of music I am looking for has no vocals, or at least 
>no words. It should not follow traditional musical patterns.
>It should generally be melodic peaceful sounds.
>I like musical patterns with a large scale. So that the patterns
>may alter and interact over a long period. I do not want short songs.
>I do not need to hear instruments I recognize. I like unearthly
>sounds, but I don't much care for lots of electric synth stuff.
>I have listened to Brian Eno, and that is ok though kind of musicy.

Check out Jon Hassell, a friend of Eno's. Hassell and Eno did two lps that
are otherworldly - Fourth World Possible Musics and Dream Theory in Malaya, 
and both fit the description of what you're looking for. So does just about
any other Hassell - I'd recommend his any of them. Hassell plays trumpet, but
he studied in india to make his trumpet "speak" like in indian singing, plus 
he started processing it heavily after working with Eno. He incorporates 
a lot of ethnic percussion and unusual textures. 

Similar to Hassell and Eno is Jeff Greinke - his music uses a lot of 
unusual electronic textures and he occasionally uses firled recordings
from Bali and such. Jeff occasionally plays live around Seattle and San
Francisco but his works are mostly on German and Swiss labels.  

Also, headed in a somewhat more traditional instrumentation and direction 
you might enjoy Oregon, which blends jazz and ethnic stuff into a a lot of
directions. And an old friend of theirs, Paul Winter, has done music with
whale sounds and sort of into a directionlike some of what you mentioned.  

 - malcolm 

Newsgroups: alt.exotic-music,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc,alt.emusic
From: mllilypd@leland.Stanford.EDU (Pouria Dehghanpour)
Subject: Dead Can Dance
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 00:15:11 GMT

Hi all,
   I am a big DCD fan, and I was wondering if anyone knows of any other groups
that have music/albums in the same style as DCD, especially the songs that
the female lead singer (Lisa Gerrard) sings (the very melodic, almost-always-
minor-chord, emotional songs)...
   Also, how would you describe their music?  Is it modern medieval music?
Is it exotic, alternative, etc...  I always have a hard time explaining to
people what their music is like (I guess you really have to hear it).

Thanks in advance...

Pouria
e-mail:  mllilypd@leland.stanford.edu

P.S. my favorite DCD album (by far) is Within The Realm of a Dying Sun.

Newsgroups: alt.exotic-music,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc,alt.emusic
From: u882517@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Blos!)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:53:48 GMT

>You might want to subscribe to the 4AD-list.  (4AD is the label
>DCD are on).  Send the message SUBSCRIBE 4AD-L yourname  to
>LISTSERV@JHUVM.  That's where all of us live who are crazy about
>DCD, not to mention Cocteau Twins, This Mortal Coil, Spirea X,
>His Name is Alive, Clan of Xymox, Pixies, Pale Saints, Throwing
>Muses, Michael Brook, etc etc.

And the rest!!  Who could forget the genius of the Breeders?!

Anyway, HOW DO I DO THIS SUBSCRIPTION THING?

I emailed the suggested message to the address you listed, but it bounced
and told me that the server JHUVM wasn't known.  Are there more suffixes that
need to be added from Australia? Please email me or post a reply.

By the way, I have a 4AD discography from AD 1 (1980) to present, with
full track listings of around 70% of them (I have about 40-50% of the total
output...and boy, am I poor!)

I'm not sure how I'd get it to you, but if you or anyone else is interested
then just email me.

Thanks (I hope)

Matthew Kirkcaldie

u882517@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.exotic-music
From: blink@carson.u.washington.edu (Folded Pliers)
Subject: music recomendations wanted
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:11:16 GMT


I am looking for some recommendations for music.
I do not quite know how to describe what I want easily.

The kind of music I am looking for has no vocals, or at least 
no words. It should not follow traditional musical patterns.
It should generally be melodic peaceful sounds.
I like musical patterns with a large scale. So that the patterns
may alter and interact over a long period. I do not want short songs.
I do not need to hear instruments I recognize. I like unearthly
sounds, but I don't much care for lots of electric synth stuff.
I have listened to Brian Eno, and that is ok though kind of musicy.
I like gregorian chants, (not in english), the vocals don't bother me.
I have "Earth Tribe Rhythms" which is great drums.
I have a good CD by Edgar Froese called "Aqau" that is ok. It has a lot of water sounds mixed with some music stuff. Straight environmetnal tapes
don't amuse me much.

Perhaps you know of music along these lines that you can describe or recommend?
Also if you know of terms I can use to describe this better, I would
appreciate some suggestions. I know what I like. but I don't know
the correct terms to describe it.

Thanks. 



Newsgroups: alt.exotic-music,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc,alt.emusic
From: datta@cs.uwp.edu (David Datta)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance Lyrics (or, Dave Datta, Where are You?)
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:31:11 GMT

Geoff Steckel - Sun BOS Hardware CONTRACTOR (gsteckel@vergil.East.Sun.COM) wrote:
: In article <31AUG199214002978@zeus.tamu.edu> rlc1028@zeus.tamu.edu   writes:
: >	I've been told that the non-identifiable lyrics are so, because
: >they are indeed jibberish.  Then again, I've also been told they are
: >genuine languages.

: Some of their newer pieces sound like they're in Arabic.  I'm _not_
: an Arabic speaker, but I recognize a few words here and there in
: the songs.  Anybody know better?

I have had several language experts listen to the songs and the
consensus seems to be that it may be one of the root languages but it
is not identifiable as a modern language.
-- 
-Dave datta@cs.uwp.edu: Man made machines make music for the man.  Now
machines make music while the man makes plans. A second generation, a
generation lost. While the man prepares for the holocaust.- A Flock of Seagulls
Newsgroups: alt.exotic-music,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc,alt.emusic
From: rpointe@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert L Pointer)
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:56:57 GMT

u882517@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Blos!) writes:

>>You might want to subscribe to the 4AD-list.  (4AD is the label
>>DCD are on).  Send the message SUBSCRIBE 4AD-L yourname  to
>>LISTSERV@JHUVM.

>Anyway, HOW DO I DO THIS SUBSCRIPTION THING?

>I emailed the suggested message to the address you listed, but it bounced
>and told me that the server JHUVM wasn't known.  Are there more suffixes that
>need to be added from Australia? Please email me or post a reply.

I've found that when people give addresses without a proper suffix (.edu,
.com, etc) they REALLY mean the address is xxxx.bitnet.  In other words, try:
LISTSERV@jhuvm.bitnet

It worked for me!

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robey@wright.sarc.msstate.edu  |  -Rev. Robert Tilton

(Please don't quote my sig.  It's annoying as hell.)

-- 
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From: dgthomas@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (David Gilles-Thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.exotic-music,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc,alt.emusic
Subject: Re: Dead Can Dance
Date: 13 Sep 92 19:42:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep6.001511.27610@leland.Stanford.EDU>, mllilypd@leland.Stanford.EDU (Pouria Dehghanpour) writes...
>Hi all,
>   I am a big DCD fan, and I was wondering if anyone knows of any other groups
>that have music/albums in the same style as DCD, especially the songs that
>the female lead singer (Lisa Gerrard) sings (the very melodic, almost-always-
>minor-chord, emotional songs)...

You might want to try finding the CD by the band EDEN.  I believe they
are Australian.  They sound A LOT like DCD, with a male vocalist.  
I wish I could tell you more, but that's all I know... I only heard
them once, and although I have a tape of their CD i have NO idea
where it might be (I just moved, and everything is still in boxes).

You might want to subscribe to the 4AD-list.  (4AD is the label
DCD are on).  Send the message SUBSCRIBE 4AD-L yourname  to
LISTSERV@JHUVM.  That's where all of us live who are crazy about
DCD, not to mention Cocteau Twins, This Mortal Coil, Spirea X,
His Name is Alive, Clan of Xymox, Pixies, Pale Saints, Throwing
Muses, Michael Brook, etc etc.

David Gilles-Thomas
SUNY@Buffalo
Confusion....
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
From: zoetrope@netcom.com (Joe McCabe)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner (OPENS TODAY!) The last word.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 18:47:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <8@abcom.ATT.COM> jpg@abcom.ATT.COM (8118 ) writes:
>
>While I agree that the ending left a bit to be desired, am I the only one
>who liked the Harrison Ford narration?  The intention, IMHO, was to give 
>the movie a flavor of the old 1940's detective movies?
>
>
>John Gorga

IMHO the narration served only one purpose: to explain to the braindead what
is (or was) happening.

Having seen the 'Director's Cut' last night, I'm >much< happier with the
movie without the "let's not bum out the audience" ending and the campy
voice-over ... (Again, IMHO)

DzM
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies,rec.arts.movies