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From: marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen)
Subject: Re: question about selling cds / BMG
Organization: Vestek Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 16:30:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.202155.11246@newstand.syr.edu> evan@top.cis.syr.edu (Evan Cheng) writes:
>>     I am curious to know what the deal is with people selling cds,
>>whether they are selling BMG or other record club purchases for a
>>profit, or if people are honest when putting stuff up for sale. I am
>>asking this because I have been subscribing to the used-music server, ...
>						    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>      How about telling us a little more about the used-music server, I am
>very interested.
>
>Thanks.
>
     Send Email to: used-music-server%cs@hub.ucsb.edu

     with a Subject: LIST

     You will then get a list of used music available. If you send SUBSCRIBE, I believe that
will put you on the weekly mailing list. You might try HELP for instructions.

     Marcus



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From: cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Cliff Chen)
Subject: Re: Erasure (concert), New Order, Red Flag
Keywords: erasure, new order, red flag
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:54:40 GMT

In article <18868@bunny.GTE.COM> dwo1@gte.com (Donald W. Ottens) writes:
>1.  Yes, erasure is on tour......has anyone been to their concert?
>    what was it like?  Are they coming to the Northeast?  (I hope so).

	The tour officially ends on Dec. 25 (?).  They have already
finished up their US shows.  They were in New York and Toronto earlier in
November.  The concert was great.  :)

>2.  Does anyone know if New Order plans on getting back together soon?
>    Do you think they'll ever tour again?

	They already are.  In fact, their new album is due out in February,
barring any problems finding a new label.

>3.  Does anyone know anything about the band Red Flag?  If so, what
>    can you tell me about their history.  I have their CD, Dance,
>    and it's real kick'en.

	Red Flag hasn't done anything since the Machines CD Single which
was released on IRS records.  They're first two "albums" (one album and one
remix album), Naive Art and Naive Dance are no longer in print because
Enigma Records went under a while back.  And aside from several 12"
releases from Naive Art, that's all there is.

					Cliff Chen
					cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
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From: mbk@hamilton (Matt Kennel)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.audio
Subject: Re: MiniDiscs -- What Are They?
Date: 13 Dec 1992 09:03:24 GMT
Organization: Institute For Nonlinear Science, UCSD
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narpet@cs.mcgill.ca (Greg WARD) writes:
: The technology itself isn't particularly amazing -- monstrous-capacity
: magneto-optical drives and discs have been available for computers for
: some time now.  What Sony has done is to 1) miniaturize the disc (I
: *believe* computer MO discs are usually 5" or 12", just like CD's
: or LD's) and package it into a (presumably) convenient form, 2) make
: the hardware more affordable, and 3) compress the data.
: 
: I really don't know how much "amazing new technology" is required; Sony
: just put it all together and will probably make a bundle.

The "amazing new technology" is in the materials & recording system for the
magneto-optical substrate, in order to make a blank cost $10 (we hope)
instead of $100.

This necessitates a complete overhaul in the rest of the technology.

: 	Greg Ward (narpet@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca)

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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Best of the Guess Who ... Live (still around?)
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:19:57 GMT


Eight years ago, the Guess Who (actually, Original Guess Who Reunion
with Cummings, Bachman, Petersen & Cale -- not the American Cales) cut
a concert video in Toronto at the CNE and the soundtrack was released
as an album on an independant label (Portrait) in Canada with quite a
few vinyl copies making it down to the U.S. (sold via TV adverts).
Has this ever appeared on CD anywhere?

gld

PS: the title was "Best of the Guess Who ... Live" (natch)
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From: stevan@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Stevan Vidic)
Subject: Floyd Set (my mistake)
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:17:20 GMT


Hi everyone,

My previous message about a voice missing from the remastered copy of
_Dark Side of the Moon_ (end of recording) was completely wrong.  Some
of you told me that the words are there and sure enough all of you were
right (I listened again).  I have no idea how it escaped me the first 
time and I was actually looking for that.  Must be long nights in front
of my terminal.  Sorry guys.

Regards,
Stevan

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From: roy@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Roy Jezmajian)
Subject: Re: Goldmine & Bootlegs...
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:35:46 GMT

In article <Bz9n3I.GM6@rice.edu> starke@cs.rice.edu (Sean Starke) writes:
>
>  A fried of mine was looking through an issue of Goldmine
>and was amazed at the amount of advertising for what is
>obviously bootleg material (plenty of which he wants).

Could you tell me more info on Goldmine?  Specifically:

-How often is it published?

-How much does it cost to subscribe?

-What is the address?

-What kind of stuff do they write about?


Thanks,

Roy
From: icepick@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Icepick)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Toothpaste?!
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:32:35
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: 's message of Friday, 18 Dec 1992 16:13:07 CET


my god... I can't believe it.  I thought I was the only one to have
ever tried toothpaste on CD scratches!!!  I used it as a last resort
and it worked.  

I prefer using one of the kits made for removing scratches, but if the
scratch is unusually large, toothpaste helps (in conjunction with the
kit to give it a finer finish).  I would have never found this out if 
someone didn't scratch my CD #&$%*(#!&@&(&%

icepick
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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel :US
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 15:57:21 GMT

In <1992Dec18.172834.2027@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> tim@normal.cosc.georgetown.edu (Tim Snyder) writes:
>In article <ZiaZVB3w165w@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz> nate@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Nathan Brazil) writes:
>>Hi all, do any of you own P.Gabriel's latest cd US ? Would you recomend 
>>it?
>>I enjoyed his SHAKING THE TREE, is his recent work similar ?
>>Cheers,Nate.
>Definitely his worst to date.  The sound quality is horridscary.
>Muffled.  If you like PG _So_, then you might like this.  It does
>have some very nice tracks, but overall it is a party that only
>PG seems to understand.  Lotsa pretentious "world" sounds thrown
>in for political correctness (not merging well with the material),
>lotsa Phil Collins ("I'm _sensitive_") lyrics, and a couple of 
>dog tracks allowed me to listen to this only about fifteen times
>before I sealed it.

I don't know what album Tim was listening to.  This was worlds better
than _So_, in my opinion.  I haven't listened to it enough (had a
a borrowed copy briefly) to judge the sound quality, but I haven't
heard any "world" sounds in any of it that I recall.  I kept listening
for the comparisons that reviewers had been making to _Passion_ and
just couldn't find any.

It sounded dark and brooding to me and more similar to his earlier stuff
than either _So_ or _Passion_.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                                Ma gavte la nata
From: pfotenjr@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Buffalos & Pistols
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:26:20 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

I'm wondering if anybody's seen the "Where the Buffalo Roam" soundtrack album
out on the ol' CD format......

Also, since Warner's has released the SexPistols "Great Rock n' Roll Swindle,"
the CD as well as (I'm told) the strange movie, AND since I heard a rumor of a
box set concerning the Pistols (not bad for a group that really only released
ONE studio album -- yeah, yeah, I know there's all those live sets, outtakes
and other collections of Pistols-related weirdness out there)....wonder if
they're gonna get the now middle-aged punks outta moth balls and tour them in
the U. S. of A.


oooh
that'd be neat!



"the king is gone, but he's not forgotten
 this is the story of Johnny Rotten"
---neil young
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From: mshep@alfred.carleton.ca (Mark Shepherd)
Subject: Re: Box Set Mania
Summary: More Box Set Stuff 
Keywords: box set, floyd, john
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:25:19 GMT


Interesting discussion on some of the box sets out there.
I bought the Floyd set a little while ago, and I agree
with everyone else - it's definitely worth it.  There
are some minor annoyances of course, the digipak, the
general lack of newly released material such as remixes,
live stuff, or other unreleased material, but this is
an album-based set, so this is what you get.  The book
is arranged similarly too, focusing strictly on
the albums rather than presenting a complete picture
of Floyd.
 
What does anyone think of the Elton John set, "To
Be Continued", released a while back? I personally
didn't like it, and hoped to one day pick up a
more basic collection of hits on CD.  I found a
nicely put together set, "The Very Best of EJ",
which for me fulfills this need.  As a double-CD
set, it doesn't really count as a box, but at least
I don't have to put up with silly puzzle-jewel case
designs.  Is there a proper name for these double
CD things? Compilations, maybe?
 
Tull fans should know (if they don't already) that
Ian Anderson plans to release a new 5-cd box for
mid 1993 to commemorate 25 years of Jethro Tull.
A two-cd sampler will also be issued for less
"dedicated" fans.
 
Isn't there supposed to be a Genesis box coming
out soon too?
 
Ahh, this box set thing..it's such a hose.
 
Mark Shepherd (mshep@ccs.carleton.ca)


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From: amc@wucs1.wustl.edu (Adam Costello)
Subject: Re: MiniDiscs -- What Are They?
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:26:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.015245.2628@tc.cornell.edu> stevan@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Stevan Vidic) writes:
>
>The latest from 3M is a 3.5" magneto-optical diskette called FLOPTICAL.
>It looks *identical* to the 3.5" floppy diskette, but it can store 21 MB
>of data and it does require a special MO drive (of course).

Floptical and magneto-optical are not the same.  A magneto-optical
drive writes magnetically, using the laser to heat the disc and a
magnetic field to orient something as it cools (I don't know the
details).  When it reads, no magnetic field is involved; it bounces
the laser off the disc, and senses the polarization of the reflection.
A floptical drive, on the other hand, both writes and reads
magnetically, just like conventional floppies or hard disks.  The
laser is used only for high-precision tracking, not to read the data.

AMC

P.S. Does anyone know why magnetic disks are spelled with a "k", but
     optical discs are spelled with a "c"?
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From: PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater)
Subject: Re: questions about selling cds / BMG
Organization: Yale University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 12:22:47 EST

Regarding the quality of BMG CD's:
 
I have gone to the trouble of comparing numerous store-bought copies to their
BMG equivalents. (a sampling: Police -- Greatest Hits '86; Rush -- Chronicles;
Schubert -- Schwannengesang, Dieskau DG recording; Rimsky-Korsakov --
Scherezade, Previn Philips recording; and many others, mail me for more)
 
In *every* case (except for REM stuff) I could tell the difference. It was not
an anal type of thing; I actually had to turn the volume up to make the sound
come out at the same level on the BMG discs. I am nearly convinced that BMG
discs are inferior -- their tapes certainly are (white glued together cases
with minimal j-cards, compared to clear screwed together cases).
 
This, along with their total disregard for their customers, is why I stopped
ordering from them. Sure, I can get CD's for seven bucks, but the hassle and
inferior quality were not worth it, I thought.
 
My two cents.
 
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From: sek@cc.bellcore.com (Spencer Kantor)
Subject: Re: FYI: The Compact Disc Connection service
Reply-To: sek@cc.bellcore.com (Spencer Kantor)
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Red Bank, N.J.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 22:50:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.184643.13220@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, corwin@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (carl.w.smedberg) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> Just a friendly warning if you place an order from CDC. I placed
|> an order 13 days ago and haven't see anything yet. I'd have
|> to say that I'm dissapointed. It shouldn't take more than a
|> week to ship a package via UPS ground from the west coast to 
|> the Illinois, let alone 5 more days to pick 5 CDs off the shelf
|> and package them! Maybe I've been spoiled by the overnight delivery
|> provided by MACconnection. Even if I wanted 2nd day air, they
|> still indicated it could take a week to pack the order!
|> 
|> Are you happy with this kind of service? 
|> 
|> If enough people are unhappy I'll let CDC know about it!
|> 
|> Carl Smedberg
|> att!ihlpm!corwin

I've ordered many times from CDC and am extremely pleased with their
service.  Typically my orders arrive within 12-15 days, shipped UPS
from Calif. to N.J.

Keep in mind that CDC does not stock anything.  They have relationships
with several west coast distributors and fill your order from the 
distributor's stock.  Hence they give themselves about a week to get 
the ordered items from whichever distributor has available stock.  CDC
strives for a high fill rate so if a distributor is out of stock on an
item but is expecting new copies within a day or two CDC will hold the
order for several more days to get the best possible fill.  Items that
can't be obtained within a couple of addidtional days are considered
out-of-stock.  They don't advertise this as their policy but I know
they operate this way.

Also remember that this time of year shipments may take an extra
day or two to reach their destination due to added holiday volume the
carriers have to handle.

All in all be patient.  Over the long haul I think you'll find CDC to
be a reliable, dependable mail-order company.

-- 
Spencer Kantor
Bell Communications Research

sek@rigel.cc.bellcore.com
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From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Subject: Re: Enigma re-release??
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:42:59 GMT

In article <Dec.16.12.43.03.1992.13926@math.rutgers.edu>  
bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu (Bil Gonzalez) writes:
> norbeck@pleiades.cs.bucknell.edu (Naughty Nukes NY in her 1999 Nissan)  
writes:
> >In article <BzBHx7.H57@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)  
writes:
> >>I find this hard to believe.
> >It may be hard to believe, but I got it straight from the man in
> >question.
> In this situation, Mr. James should
> probably be suing his recording company because he is not getting paid
> royalties as contracted for the recording.  The recording company should
> sue ENIGMA for not obtaining proper permission for using the sample if
> that is in fact the case.

Yeah, that's what I meant.  Sorry I didn't make myself more
clear.  Mostly I was wondering if "A Venetian Coronation"
is one of his albums and whether that was the album
sampled.  If the first is true, he should have got
royalties for the singles anyway probably.

If the second is false, I'd say there's some deception
going on. 

ab
From: dplatt@ntg.com (Dave Platt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Noteworthy
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:50:28 GMT
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA

>I'm not sure why people want to use Noteworthy on Compuserve or GENie or
>whatever.  The whole idea of NW is to lower prices, but if you spend money
>on the connection rates of CIS you are actually raising the total cost of the
>CD to you.  Why bother, when you can call NW's 800 number to order for free?
>I have the same reservations about NW's new online modem service.  There is
>some kind of 1 time charge for the software, but, IMHO this fee must be
>figured in along with S&H to raise the total cost of CD's through the roof.

It actually isn't so bad.

There's a $5 charge for the distribution of the software (which you can
bypass by getting a copy of the software and current database from a
friend's PC - this is explicitly permitted by the license).  There's
also a one-time $4.95 connection fee.

The "online modem service" isn't - at least, not in the sense that you
dial in and peruse the data-base on line.  Instead, the whole database
is on your PC - you peruse it at your leisure, build up an order
("shopping list") and then transmit the order to Noteworthy.  The stock
status of each CD you've ordered is displayed, you can approve or cancel
the order, and wait (or not) for the Mastercard/VISA approval.

The largest amount of on-line time involved is that of downloading the
catalog changes... Noteworthy recommends doing this every week or two.
The change-files are zipped and downloaded using YMODEM, and are
decompressed and applied to your PC's database after the modem hangs up.

The changes seem to run on the rough order of 20-40k bytes of
compressed data per month - maybe 2 minutes/week of download at 2400
bps, and much less at 9600 bps (which Noteworthy does support).

The actual on-line connection time is small... sending in an order takes
only a minute or two even if you decide to wait for the credit-card
approval to come back.

The biggest advantage to using the system is that it keeps your catalog
up-to-date - much more so than if you wait for the quarterly catalog to
arrive in the mail.  It also saves a lot of scribbling-of-orders on
paper, and permits orders to be sent even in the wee hours when
Noteworthy's toll-free 800-number service is not operating.

I rather like the system, although I'm sure that many people will prefer
Noteworthy's 800-number service.  [By the way - the 800-number service
is not "free" in the end - it costs Noteworthy a fair bit to operate
this service, and the cost of doing so ends up being factored into the
cost of their CDs.]
-- 
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From: narpet@cs.mcgill.ca (Greg WARD)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: MiniDiscs -- What Are They?
Date: 12 Dec 92 20:38:32 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1992Dec9.050235.7768@tc.cornell.edu> stevan@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Stevan Vidic) writes:
>
>One obvious neat feature of MD technology is the absence of contact between
>the heads and the disc surface (just like in CDs) and therefore no wear and
>tear on the medium.

One minor correction to an otherwise really informative (thank you!) post.
I was reading an article in *Mix* magazine (professional recording stuff
-- yet another advantage to having a roommate who's a recording engineer
is the occasional cool magazine he brings home!) about nitty gritty
details of the MD, and it was stated fairly clearly that the heads *do* 
indeed touch the disc surface.  I don't recall exactly, but I'm
fairly sure this is only when recording.  Since playback only requires
bouncing a laser beam off the surface, I imagine the playback mechanism is
quite similar to that of a CD player.  It's that heating the disc surface
up and magnetizing it that probably requires physical contact.

Which brings me to my little question... anyone have any word on how
many times a particular MD can be recorded on?  Can all this heating
and remagnetizing "wear out" the disc over time?  Not a big deal, as
whatever the facts are, it's sure to be better than a tape medium.

		Greg Ward (narpet@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca)

		
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From: rojohnso@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Ronald Johnson)
Subject: Re: CD walkmans
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:41:18 GMT


Hey...

Just to add my .o2....I too had bad luck with my Sony Discman, dont remember
the model but it had mega bass...lite weight model, etc...stopped reading,
made funny clicking sound...took it to a repairman, and theyve had it several
months waiting for parts from Sony...they wanted $100 to repair it..I figure
I just use that money and buy a new better one!!

                                                                RJ
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,misc.consumers
From: mcgrant@rascals.stanford.edu (Michael C. Grant)
Subject: Re: CD walkmans
Organization: Information Systems Laboratory, Stanford University
	<BzDEEo.310@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <justin.724554845@mik.uky.edu>
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:03:30

In article <justin.724554845@mik.uky.edu>
justin@nx30.mik.uky.edu (justin sullivan) writes:

   Have we been buying cheap stuff and complaining when it breaks? 
   I don't know why everyone but me has problems with Sony, but I've noticed
   that most complaints with Sony electronics are with CHEAP Sony electronics.

Not me. See blow.

   On the side, the first CD player I ever owned was a Technics SL-6 (or 
   something like that) portable. It still works perfectly. It's not nearly
   as good as the (old) Sony D-555 that replaced it, but it's still in great
   shape..

I have my Sony D-555 and it's sucked for just about as long as I can 
remember. Thank goodness I got such an awesome deal on it (no, it wasn't
a return or a demo or anything). Actually, the sound is pretty good, 
especially since it has a graphic equalizer on it, but it can't stay
on track on the slightest of bumps. I'm afraid that despite purchasing
the high-end Sony portable (at the time) I'm going to have to side with
the people against Sony.

Michael C. Grant



--
"Long hair, short hair--what's the difference once the head's blowed off?" (?)
From: VETTERS@vax1.elon.edu (Steve Vetter  )
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: How do I fix a scratched CD?
Date: 11 Dec 1992 19:14:56 GMT
Organization: Elon College
Distribution: world
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[cd disaster story deleted after ~30 min]

There is this used CD store where I live and I bought a defective disc
there.  The old man, who BTW is a real jerk, grabs it from me and
pulls out this tin of CAR WAX and begins to spend 15 min polishing the
disc.  When I looked at it again, it was scratched all over and still
wouldn't play.  Just wanted to pass this along.
steve

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