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From: percus@lpncls.in2p3.fr (Allon Percus)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Exchanging money in Europe
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:22:39 GMT

Just one quibble:

RFLOOD@ESOC.BITNET writes:
> In Germany, hardly any stores, even big 'uns, will accept VISA. Cash or
> cheques only !

In defense of Germany I have to say that at least now there are some
cash machines where you can use a Visa or EC card (or sometimes Eurocard/
Mastercard).  A year ago this would have been unthinkable to me.

But...cheques in Germany???  I suppose they *might* exist but I have
never seen one used.  When I lived in Germany recently, everything that
one does by cheque here in France was done there by bank transfer.

Sorry, I suppose I am straying from the topic.

Allon Percus
LPNHE
Universite de Paris VI, Jussieu
From: ja_rich@pavo.concordia.ca (RICHARDS, JAMES A)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: need info on Prague, Frankfurt
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:49:00 GMT

Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

I am going to Prague on the 22nd of oct. '92, and would 
appreciate some info...  Please tell me about

1: Places to stay.
2: Visas
3: Transportation from Frankfurt to Prague.
4: Sights to see in Prague.

Thanks in advance... James

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: rxb@vaxeline.ftp.com (Rachel Banko)
Subject: Philadelphia: visiting after many years
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:38:46 GMT

I'll be visiting the city of Phila and staying in Logan
close to the Wyoming subway stop. It's where I grew up
and no longer visit. Many blocks have rowhouses condemned
by sinking.

I won't have a car.

Question 1: Where's a nice health food restaurant?


Question 2: How would I get to the Relms Pet Collection (I collect Teddy Bears)
in the 1800 block of Cottman Street. It's in NorthEast Phila. Is this a nice
shopping district?

Please email response to rxb@ftp.com, thank you.
From: 76702.1202@CompuServe.COM (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: *NEW* TRAVEL INFORMATION -- Switzerland
Date: 14 Oct 1992 08:06:22 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL INFORMATION - Switzerland
============================================================
Switzerland - Consular Information Sheet
 October 7, 1992

Embassy and Consulate Locations:  The U.S. Embassy in Bern is 
located at Jubilaeumstrasse 93; telephone (41) (31) 437-011.  The 
Consulate General is located at Zollikerstrasse 141 in Zurich; 
telephone (41) (1) 422-2566.  There is a branch office in Geneva, 
offering limited consular services, in the Botanic Building, 1-3 
Avenue de la Paix; telephone (41) (22) 738-7613.

Country Description:  Switzerland is a highly developed European 
nation with a modern economy.  Tourist facilities are widely 
available.

Entry Requirements:  A visa is not required for tourist or business 
stays of up to three months.  For further information concerning 
entry requirements for Switzerland, travelers can contact the 
Embassy of Switzerland at 2900 Cathedral Avenue N.W., Washington DC 
20008, tel (202) 745-7900, or the nearest Swiss Consulate General in 
Atlanta, Chicago, Houston, Los Angeles, New York, or San Francisco.

Medical Facilities:  Good medical care is widely available.  U.S. 
medical insurance is not always valid outside the United States.  
Travelers have found that in some cases, supplemental medical 
insurance with specific overseas coverage has proved to be useful.  
Further information on health matters can be obtained from the 
Centers for Disease Control's international travelers hotline on 
(404) 332-4559.

Crime Information:  Switzerland has a low rate of violent crime.  
However, pickpocketing and purse-snatching do occur during peak 
tourist periods (such as summer and Christmas) and when major 
conferences, shows, or exhibits are scheduled in Geneva.  Most crime 
is restricted to specific localities in major cities (areas 
frequented by drug users, the general vicinity of train and bus 
stations, and some public parks, for example).  Countrywide 
emergency telephone numbers are police 117, fire 118, and ambulance 
144.  U.S. citizens can refer to the Department of State's pamphlet, 
"A Safe Trip Abroad" for ways to promote a more trouble-free voyage. 
 The pamphlet is available from the Superintendent of Documents, 
U.S. Government Printing Office, Washington DC 20402.

Drug Penalties:  The penalties for possession, use, and dealing in 
illegal drugs are strict, and convicted offenders can expect jail 
sentences and fines.

Registration: Americans who register in the Consular Section at the 
U.S. Embassy can obtain updated information on travel and security 
within the area.

 No. 92-048

Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
From: gbm@jmp.com (Gary B. McKenney - Interface Solutions Inc.)
Subject: Romania - IASI - Need Info
Organization: JMP & Associates, Ltd. - Atlanta, Ga.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:14:43 GMT

I am looking for opportunity to offer my skills as a PC computer programmer/
analyst in IASI (Yosh) Romania.  I would like to do this in a university setting
preferably.  Does anyone out there have information that would be helpful to
me?

Gary McKenney
From: U48073@uicvm.uic.edu (Cole Kendall)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Your favorite guidebooks
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:22:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92289.162221U48073
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

I was wondering whether others would like to list the guide books
that they find most useful, best written etc.  I am thinking about
books that go far beyond the usual list of a few hotels and touristy
restaurants, and less widely known than, say, _Let's Go_ and the
mass market guides.  I assume that everyone is aware of, say,
the _Blue Guides_, the Michelin guides, the Lonely Planet and
the like.

My favorite guidebook is _Budapest: A Critical Guide_ by Andras
To"ro"k (Corvina Press).  This is a list of walking tours of the
city (including both touristy spots and interesting back alleys
and courtyards one can walk into).  Also included is a list of
places to eat and drink, as well as the coffee shop that the
author hangs out in while editing his magazine on Thursday
afternoons, and useful lists of other things available in the city.

I look forward to hearing about similar books for other locations.

Cole Kendall
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: jimwen@watson.ibm.com ()
Subject: Indonesia to Singapore
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:18:34 GMT
Reply-To: jimwen@radical.watson.ibm.com ()
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

I am interested in going from Australia to South Asia
via Indonesia, by land and boat.  My problem is, I cannot
get into Indonesia without furnishing some sort of ticket
showing I intend to leave Indonesia.  Since I'd like to 
leave by ferry to Singapore, I can use that ticket.  But
I cannot seem to get the ticket from here.  I've tried 
the tourist bureau in California and the consulate in
New York.  The best they can suggest is to buy a refundable
air ticket and refund it, which is an idea I don't particularly
like.  Does anybody have any idea how I can go about this?
Or is there anybody out there that can help  me purchase
such a ticket from Singapore or Indonesia (I'll happily
pay the expenses involved)?

Finally, any wisdom about this means of getting from 
Australia to Singapore.  Any idea how long it might take
and how troublesome it might be?  Would it be much more
worthwhile just to fly?  (This part of my trip should 
take place around mid to late-January.)

Thanx,
jim
From: gerthw@bionette.cgrb.orst.edu (William Gerth)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Oregon or Washington to NYC???
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:52:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.


 Hi!

 I am looking for information on cheap flights from Oregon or Washington 
 to NYC. If you have any information or a ticket to sell, I would like
 to fly to New York around October 22nd and to return on the following Monday 
 or Tuesday.

 Thanks,
 Bill
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Thursday, 15 Oct 1992 08:44:28 CET
From: <RFLOOD@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Exchanging money in Europe
Distribution: na
 <1992Oct8.093917.7775@rz-berlin.mpg.de> <1992Oct13.192240.3716@vitsemi.com>
 <1992Oct13.225820.21896@PA.dec.com>

VISA cards - it's not true to lump all European countries together and
state that only tourist/hi price shops will accept VISA. In Spain and
France, VISA is very well known and I use mine just about everywhere.
In Germany, hardly any stores, even big 'uns, will accept VISA. Cash or cheques
only ! In England, they accept just about any credit cards, anywhere.
Personally I use VISA and carry Eurocheques and a small amount of cash.
Never had any problems.
RaF
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: tvtmle@eua.ericsson.se (Magnus Lennartson)
Subject: Info on Singapore and Malaysia wanted
Reply-To: tvtmle@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:54:45 GMT

I'm going, together with my girl friend, to Singapore and Malaysia
for three weeks in November.
I will go by plane to Singapore and then go by bus to Malacca,
K.L., Camerun Highlands, Penang and then back to Singapore by
plane.

Do I need to by the bus ticket for Malacca in advance ?
I'm arriving to Singapore in the evening and will try to 
continue immediate the following morning to Malacca.

Have anyone recently been to these places and have any
suggestion on good cheap accomodations ?

Any other suggestions ?

Please answer by email.

Thanks for your help.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Magnus Lennartsson      | Email:      tvtmle@eua.ericsson.se
Phone: +46 8 727 3460   | Snail Mail: Abylundsvagen 49
Fax:   +46 8 647 82 76  |             S-137 32 Vasterhaninge
                        |             Sweden
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





Xref: sparky rec.travel:14177 misc.legal:18354
From: hess@boi.hp.com (Kevin C. Hess)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,misc.legal
Subject: Re: guns & travel
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:57:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

N. Trafford Vaccaro (vaccaro@novavax.UUCP) wrote:
: Hello, a friend of mine will be travelling from Florida to New York City
: with his wife and small child. He wants to bring either a pistol or
: a rifle with him but is worried about the legalities of doing so.

The Firearms Owner's Protection Act comes into play here.  He should 
contact the NRA for information about how this law will affect his
ability to travel, and what constitutes legal carry under the laws 
of the beginning and ending states.

: Questions he asked were: should he take a pistol or a rifle? Should it
: be kept in the trunk of the car? He has been in compromising positions
: before with muggers (he's from New York) and he is responsible when
: it comes to weapon safety (separation of ammo and weapon, trigger locks,
: proper storage, etc). 
: 
As an owner of firearms, this strikes me as a question along the lines of 
threat assessment, not laws.  Keeping an unloaded firearm in the trunk is
likely to be the safest path with respect to gun laws, but the least 
effective when it comes to detering crime.

--
Kevin C. Hess                 The Hewlett-Packard Company
Network Printer Division      11311 Chinden Boulevard
Mail Stop 524                 Boise,, Idaho  83714-0015  USA
hess@hpbs907.boi.hp.com       (208) 323-3384

"There can be only one!" - Conner McLeod of the clan McLeod
"I will not be pushed, filed stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or
numbered - I am not a number, I am a free man!" - Number 6
From: fssmith@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Florida
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:09:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct6.190529.8423@iecc.cambridge.ma.us>, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) writes...
>>  Be aware that it's a four hour drive to Key West from Ft.
>>  Lauderdale.  It can be longer if there is traffic on the
>>  road going down there.
> 
>Also keep in mind that there's only one road to the keys, U.S. 1, and it is
>also the main road to Homestead and Florida City.  It is my impression from
>the newspaper that driving through that area is still very difficult and
>there are road blocks at which you may be turned back unless you demonstrably
>have legitimate business in the area.
> 
>-- 
>John R. Levine, IECC, POB 349, Cambridge MA 02238, +1 617 492 3869
>johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {ima|spdcc|world}!iecc!johnl
>Re-elect Vice President Potatoe-Head !

Your impression is wrong! There is no problem getting to and from the keys.
From: 76702.1202@CompuServe.COM (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: *NEW* TRAVEL INFORMATION -- Poland
Date: 14 Oct 1992 09:18:51 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL INFORMATION - Poland
============================================================
Poland - Consular Information Sheet
 October 7, 1992

Embassy Location:  The U.S. Embassy in Warsaw is located at Aleje 
Ujazdowskie 29/31; telephone (48) (2) 628-3041.  There are also 
Consulates in Krakow, located at Ulica Stolarska 9, telephone (48) 
(12) 229764, and in Poznan, located at Ulica Chopina 4, telephone 
(48) (61) 529586.

Country Description: Poland is a moderately developed European 
nation undergoing profound political and economic changes.  Tourist 
facilities are not highly developed, and many of the goods and 
services taken for granted in other European countries are not yet 
available.

Entry Requirements:  A visa is not required for stays up to 90 
days.  Visitors must register at a hotel or with local authorities 
within 48 hours of arrival.  An AIDS test is required for student 
visas; U.S. test results are accepted.  Further information 
concerning entry requirements for Poland, may be obtained through 
the Embassy of the Republic of Poland at 2640 16th Street N.W., 
Washington, DC 20009, tel: (202) 234-3800 or the nearest Polish 
Consulate General in Chicago, Los Angeles, or New York.

Medical Facilities:  Medical care in Poland is limited.  Some 
medicines are in short supply.  Doctors and hospitals often expect 
immediate cash payment for health services.  U.S. medical insurance 
is not always valid outside the United States.  Travelers have found 
that in some cases, supplemental medical insurance with specific 
overseas coverage has proved to be useful.  Further information on 
health matters can be obtained from the Centers for Disease 
Control's international travelers hotline on (404) 332-4559.

Crime Information:  Crime rates in Poland vary.  Warsaw has a high 
rate of crime, while Krakow and Poznan enjoy relatively low crime 
rates.  However, reported incidents of crime against foreign 
visitors and local residents have increased in major cities 
throughout the country.  Organized groups of thieves and pickpockets 
appear to be operating in the train stations, trains, trams, and 
buses of Warsaw, Krakow, Poznan, and other major cities.  In Warsaw, 
car thefts and break-ins, street crime, and residential burglaries 
are increasingly prevalent.  The Department of State's pamphlet "A 
Safe Trip Abroad" is available from the Superintendent of Documents, 
U.S. Government Printing Office, Washington, DC 20402.  It provides 
useful information on guarding valuables and protecting personal 
security while traveling abroad.

Drug Penalties:  Penalties for possession, use, or dealing in 
illegal drugs are strict, and convicted offenders can expect jail 
sentences and heavy fines.

Registration: Americans who register in the Consular Section of the 
U.S. Embassy can obtain updated information on travel and security 
within the country.

 No. 92-040

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: grimaldo@tokyo.seri.philips.nl (Emilio Grimaldo)
Subject: Costa Rica
Organization: Philips Semiconductors, The Netherlands 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:56:16 GMT

       Can anybody out there send me some information about hotels or
       pensions in San Jose,Costa Rica? I will be arriving around 18 Dec
       with my girlfriend and we are on this side of the ocean (yet...)

       Please send to my email address as I cannot check on the news every
       day and when I do my postings have (usually) expired...

		Many thanks,
			    Emilio

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"To love is to smell the fragance of a soul's inner beauty..." -me
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: *NEW* TRAVEL ADVISORY -- Latin America
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:03:10 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

Usually I appreciate the Travel Advisories, but this one
is ridiculous.

|> WHILE MOST OF THIS HEMISPHERE WILL CELEBRATE THE 500th ANNIVERSARY 
|> OF COLUMBUS' VOYAGE ON OCTOBER 12,

Speak for yourself!

|> SOME GROUPS MAY EXPLOIT THE 
|> OCCASION, USING VIOLENCE FOR THEIR OWN ENDS. 

Translation:  Some groups may have a less positive outlook on
what resulted, 500 years later, from Columbus' "discovery".

|> PROTESTS AND MARCHES ARE ALSO 
|> ANTICIPATED IN OTHER LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES.

Some are going to happen in the U.S. too....

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
From: tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: *NEW* TRAVEL ADVISORY -- Latin America
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:20:16 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <ld98geINN7nd@news.bbn.com>, rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman) writes:
> Usually I appreciate the Travel Advisories, but this one
> is ridiculous.
> 
> |> WHILE MOST OF THIS HEMISPHERE WILL CELEBRATE THE 500th ANNIVERSARY 
> |> OF COLUMBUS' VOYAGE ON OCTOBER 12,
> 
> Speak for yourself!
> 
> |> SOME GROUPS MAY EXPLOIT THE 
> |> OCCASION, USING VIOLENCE FOR THEIR OWN ENDS. 
> 
> Translation:  Some groups may have a less positive outlook on
> what resulted, 500 years later, from Columbus' "discovery".
> 
> |> PROTESTS AND MARCHES ARE ALSO 
> |> ANTICIPATED IN OTHER LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES.
> 
> Some are going to happen in the U.S. too....

Yes, another PC person with a *500* year old axe to grind!  Sheesh,
can't you find an issue that is a little more current?

Ted Feuerbach - Scientific Systems Consultant
Disclaimer:  Monsanto didn't say this, I did. 
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.british
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: y
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:04:39 GMT

livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
: |>    ============================================================
: |>    United Kingdom - Consular Information Sheet
: |>     October 7, 1992
: |> 
: |>    Country Description:  The United Kingdom is a highly developed 
: |>    European nation with a modern economy.  Tourist facilities 
: |>    throughout the United Kingdom are highly developed.
: |> 
: |> The travel information sheets for all the other western European countries
: |> use the standard phrase "XXXXX is a highly developed stable democracy with a
: |> modern economy".  But the one for the UK quite pointedly substitutes
: |> "European nation" for "stable democracy".  Is the State Department trying to
: |> tell us something about our electoral system?  :-)
: 
: No.   These sheets are aimed at Americans who don't know Poland
: from Portugal.   However, most of them would giggle at the idea
: that the State Department thought it necessary to tell them that
: the UK is a stable democracy.    They might need to be told that
: about Hungary or Spain, but not about the UK.

	Um, why then do Americans need to be told that the UK is a
EUROPEAN country?

Richard Pennell, History NUS
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: leff@sco.COM (Bill Leff)
Subject: Re: Rafting in Indonesia
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:24:23 GMT


In article <92286.160849K111118@ALIJKU11.BITNET> K111118@ALIJKU11.BITNET writes:
>Hello,
>could anyone help me to find infos about rivers in
>Somalia or Bali? Friends of me will go there and they
>have no information about it.
>Thanks       Walter (Austria)
>             K111118@alijku11.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at


I don't have the Bali info (sorry) but I remember that they
advertise in the Garuda Airlines flight magazine. I saw them
rafting down the Ayung River - it's a pretty weird sight
to see these people in their Zodiac raft with helmets and
life preservers etc alongside the native folks doing their
bathing.             

I imagine it's pretty easy to hook up with the rafting folks
once they arrive. In Bali it's better not to plan ahead.

-leff

-- 
-------------------------
The number one reason why we're here (from David Letterman's Top 10):
"To polka, baby, polka"
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: anne@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anne J.R. Nield)
Subject: US State Department Information
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:02:54 GMT

There seems to be an intriguing assumption on the part of Mr.
Charlie Smith that Americans who travel abroad are in dire
need of information on penalties for drug use and trafficking.

Or am I the only one who found that interesting??

Anne


Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: hawkes@hillrun.corp.sgi.com (John Hawkes)
Subject: Re: Need Information on Switzerland, Zermatt, Interlaken
Keywords: Switzerland, Zermatt, Matterhorn, Interlaken, information
Organization: Silicon Graphics
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:03:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.153824.2778@colorado.edu>, citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU
(Wayne Citrin) writes:
|> Zermatt is spectacular, but even so, I would recommend Saas Fee over
|> Zermatt
|> as a place to stay.  It's in a neighboring valley, and although it's
|> also
|> a popular resort, I believe it's less of a tourist mecca.  You don't get
|> the
|> Matterhorn, but you do get some equally spectacular scenery. 
|> Unfortunately,
|> I can't remember the name of the very nice hotel I stayed in when I was
|> there.

I've been to Saas Fee once and Zermatt twice, and I personally find
Zermatt
to be superior in scenery, hiking, variety, and ambience.  Just one more
opinion!
-- 
John Hawkes		hawkes@sgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 16:24:53 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Re: Yellowstone/GT National Parks in Oct.?
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: 

rog@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Roger Haaheim) writes:
| I was in Yellowstone on Tuesday last.  Temperature was 75-80F,
| cloudless skies, low traffic, Grizzlies on Dunraven Pass,
| elk bugling, bison and elk herds wandering on/near the roads,
| and all-in-all a spectacular display of fall vegetation.
| 
| The trails in the Tetons, except around Jenny Lake to Hidden
| Falls, were nearly deserted, and we had the same weather as
| Yellowstone all last week.  Hiking was wonderful.
| 
| This weather is, however, abnormal for this time of year.  

As if to demonstrate Roger's comment, it has snowed around here the last
few days.  Several inches in Yellowstone.  Don't know if it's snowed in
Jackson, WY, but it has certainly snowed at higher elevations in the
Tetons.

Geoff

-- 
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