From: alexm@leland.Stanford.EDU (alex matthews)
Subject: Re: A2000 With Frills FOR SALE!!!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 03:03:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.151311.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> avogel@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>In article <12OCT199209362903@summa.tamu.edu>, cpw8034@summa.tamu.edu (ALAN C. WEN (409)693-2924) writes:
>>>>>Package SALE =  YOUR PRICE!!! = $1295
>>>Yes, ok 1499 lets see now - I will figure 8.25% tax which you would have to pay
>>>when you buy new. $1499 * 0.0825 = 123.67
>>>Ok so that total comes to $1622.67 Now that is even BEFORE a MONITOR!
>> 
>> So, how much can you get a 15.75KHz RGB monitor 'nowadays'?  As you would say,
>> Gosh you know, I can get a SVGA monitor used for about the same price as
>> a used Magnavox or Commie RGB monitor...  Go to any department store and check
>> out their NEW prices for monitors and then go your your educational discounts
>> even for a 1084s.  As you have so eloquently noted below, you're trying to
>> compare monitor prices using the Commie 1960 as a battering ram.  Most 
>> intelligent A3000/A4000 owners know that on dollar for dollar, the 1960 doesn't
>> match up in performance nor cost.
>
>
>No thats not what I am saying I am saying that the price of a new A3000 which
>is VERY attractive ($1499) is a bit misleading because what you have to factor
>in is tax and that the price doesn't include with a monitor.  Tax adds another
>124 dollars making it about $1632 then one has to buy a monitor. Now what you
>want is a multi-scan monitor which cheapest will cost about $400 (that would be
>a lopp tech one or a Panasync) and you can go up from there.  I would say with
>tax the average monitor in the lower to mid range would be (generously) $450 -
>forget about the Com 1960 which is outrageously priced for a .31dpi monitor. 
>Anyway that brings us to $2073.  Now that is the REAL price of purchasing an
>A3000 not just $1499 but almost $2100 - which is about an additional $600
>investment.
>	Secondly the price of the A3000 is only good for the remainder of
>October - then the prices go back up (about $1789 or so). 
> 
>> 
>>>You can buy the 1960 for whatever that costs and my system includes the 1084S
>>>and it includes Microway's Fliker Fixer so you can hook up most any other 
>>>VGA or SVGA monitor.  So the way I see it - I am saving someone $327.67 before
>>>a monitor for instead of a new A3000.  A monitor is gonna cost you at least
>>>about $450 for a low-end one when all is said and done - so what is that now
>>>about $777.67.  Gosh you know, I don't know of that many people who have
>>>almost $800 that they "don't care about."  I admit the A3000 prices are rock
>>>bottom - but still there is nothing unreasonable about my offer.  You present
>>>only half the facts!
> 
>> "Gosh you know," I don't know who's the one that's presenting "only half the
>> facts"...  What have I left out that's so important to you?  Maybe you shouldn't
>
>What you left out was what I call the REAL price of an A3000 (see above).  Its
>not just you it is the misleading cost of an A3000.  It is not ust a $1500
>invesment which would only be a $200 difference from what I am asking - of
>couse I would be crazy if that were tru.  Howver, as I showed, the REAl price
>comes to about $2100 which is an $800 difference.
>
>> insult the intelligence of the readers by LEAVING OUT THE FACT THAT YOUR
>> MACHINE IS A USED UNACCELERATED 7.16MHZ 68000 16/32 BIT MACHINE AS OPPOSED TO
>> A *NEW* 25MHZ 68030 32 BIT WORKSTATION.  (caps lock <on/OFF>)
>
>No where did I try to mislead readers - my machine is unacclerated stock A2000
>motherboard - anyone looking for an A2000 would know this.  Come on - I am by
>NO means saying that my machine is anywhere better than a 3000 - of course not!
>I am saying that if someone cannot afford to spring for an A3000 for $2100 with
>monitor and all - I am offering my A2000 for $800 cheaper - yeah its not an
>'030 or have an '882 - it is what it is.
>> 
>> If you want to compare prices fairly Andrew, you shouldn't leave out some
>> components of another system while maintaining the same price for yours.
>
>Come on that is a stretch - no kidding there isn't an '030 in my 2000 that
>isn't misleading.  I think an $800 difference is significant enough to make up
>for this deficit.  I also would like to know where I err in my original price
>list of new and used prices.  If any one of them is way off base lemmie know
>and I will adjust my offer accordingly.  Thanks.
>						--Andrew
>
>> 
>> "So the way I see it - I am saving someone $327.67 before a monitor for
>>  instead of a new A3000."  --Andrew
>> 
>> Need I say more?
>> 
>> alan

Oh, gee, now even I understand.  I'm so glad you explained that whole
math thing to me.  Now I see that I can offer everybody an even better
deal than you can.  I have a beautiful original Amiga model 1000, with
very low miles, an incredible 512,000! byes of memory, built in floppy
disk drive that has the ability to hold 880,000 bytes of programs AND 
data.  This computer has the same incredible acceleration factor
of the later Amiga 2000 models, yet I am offering it at the low
low price of only $1195 INCLUDING a GREEN MONOGRAPHIC MONITOR, which 
is certainly better than no monitor at all.  This is a complete system,
containing everything you need to run programs that you can write
yourself in BASIC.  

You will save yourself an additional $100 dollars over what you would have 
spent had you purchased the above system.



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