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From: drew@caesar.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject: Xwd, Xmag fail in Linux binary distribution under X386mono
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:07:07 GMT

BUGREPORT :

I'm running XFree 1.2 under Linux, with the X386mono server 
at 800x600 resolution on a Trident 8900b, libc.4.2.so.

When I use Xmag, or Xwd, the images are scrambled.  

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From: sdh@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott D. Heavner)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: X and a Realtek RTVGA Adapter
Date: 13 Dec 1992 05:01:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: sdh@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott D. Heavner)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu



	I am currently running Linux on my 486 and would like to
get X running in color.  Currently I am only able to run the generic
monochrome server.  What I would like to know is:

	1) Has anyone else gotten an RTVGA adapter working

	2) What will I have to do to create my own driver?  Do I
	   just create my own driver in the vga256/drivers directory with
	   driver.c and banks.s and if so, which would be the best 
	   driver to build from (i.e. should I modify a trident original
	   or one of the Tseng cards?



				Scott Heavner

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: glasgow@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jason R. Glasgow)
Subject: Motif for X386?
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:00:14 GMT

We are currently running XFree386 under mach and we want to develop
X11 applications. Does anyone have any information about using Motif
widgets on XFree386?

Where can we get the libraries and the include files? Are they public
domain or do we have to buy them somewhere?

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

-Jason

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat)
Subject: Re: viewer for gifs+jpgs
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:16:10 GMT
Keywords: viewer, gif,jpg

In article <g88d4938.27.724583992@giraffe.ru.ac.za> g88d4938@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR GE DOYLE) writes:
> Hi all
>  Know where I can get a viewer for gifs,jpgs etc that will work under X386?
>  Thanx
>  Greg

There are three that I know of:

	- xv
	- ImageMagick
	- xloadimage

All are available from export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/

Which one is best is sort of a religious debate (like vi vs emacs).  My
personal preference is 'xv'.

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 other people, and hope to fall in love."  -- Mallory Keaton
From: ajayshah@alhena.usc.edu (Ajay Shah)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Re: What Intel U*ix OS is this group aimed at?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 15:24:47 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alhena.usc.edu

libove@libove.alf.dec.com (Jay Vassos-Libove) writes:

>What Intel (80386, i486, etc) U*ix-based Operating System is
>this newsgroup aimed at?

All of 'em:
        BSD386 (by BSDI)
        Coherent
        Destiny (RSN)
        Minix
        Nextstep 486 (RSN)
        SCO Unix
        Solaris 2.0 (RSN)
        a few dozen SVR4 implementations
        a few (commercial) Mach-BSD implementations
        386-BSD
        Hurd (RSN)
        Linux
        Mach-BSD

Such a wealth of offerings, and the peasants still want Microsoft!!
:-)

>The two postings I've seen so far are for Linux only, which
>is not necessarily transmittable to general i386 (and other
>Intel-based) U*ix'es at all.

Thats ok.  When someone gets deeper into Linux he'll move to
comp.os.linux.  When he's fishing he'll start here.

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: jtsilla@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu (James Tsillas)
Subject: xview3 on SVR3??
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:10:37 GMT


Since Motif isn't free I am hoping to get xview3 running. Has anyone
done any work in porting xview3 to SVR3 (ISC 2.2).?

-Jim.
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.unix.bsd
From: witr@rwwa.COM (Robert Withrow)
Subject: Re: [386BSD] Xfree86, XS3 Mouse configuration
Reply-To: witr@rwwa.com
Organization: R.W. Withrow Associates
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:02:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.051723.26180@netcom.com>,
 hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) writes:

| Generally, speaking I am the only person supporting XS3 for 386bsd 
| and very few have benn problems reported. At any rate, in the future
| just mail me. You will probably get a relevant answer to your problems
| or questions.

Nonetheless, there *are* a lot of who are eagerly awaiting your folding
your code into Xfree86.  I sincerely hope you aren't planning to go-it-alone
forever due to some tiff or something with the Xfree86 crowd.  

Everyone would benefit from a unified server code base, and at least some
(me) are suffering from the creeping balkanization of the code.

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: solsman@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Mark Solsman)
Subject: Re: X11
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:13:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.023831.18450@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko) writes:
>Wise Men of the Net ! Where can layman get software to run X11 windows 
>on i386, including Unix ? (Available PC is connected to network not by 
>modem) Is there any FTP sites around ?
>
Well, you could allways get Xfree386 for your intel unix.  I dont know of
any free X-servers for msdos.

Location?? I have no idea, why not consult archie.  He'll tell you where
the sources are, and maybe even binaries that you can use.


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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.linux
From: dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU (David Dawes)
Subject: Re: Xwd, Xmag fail in Linux binary distribution under X386mono
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:31:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.230707.12980@colorado.edu> drew@caesar.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt) writes:
>BUGREPORT :
>
>I'm running XFree 1.2 under Linux, with the X386mono server 
>at 800x600 resolution on a Trident 8900b, libc.4.2.so.
>
>When I use Xmag, or Xwd, the images are scrambled.  

This problem is known, and will be fixed in the next release.

David
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From: dmuntz@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Dan Muntz)
Subject: 1280x1024 256(or >) colors
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:14:31 GMT

Is anyone using X386/XFree86/XS3 in 1280x1024 mode with 256 or more colors?
If so, I'd like to know what graphics card (and amount of memory) you are using.
I posted this to a few other groups about a week ago but the only responses
I got were from people wanting a summary of the responses.  I will
post a summary of all relevant responses.

  -Dan
   dmuntz@eecs.umich.edu

Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.unix.bsd
From: tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk (T.J.R. Cutts)
Subject: Re: Problem with running XFree86, no screens found
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:43:11 GMT

In article <FRITZZ.92Dec15172235@ko.ldgo.columbia.edu>, fritzz@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (fritz zaucker) writes:

|> I just tried to run the pre-compiled X386 server from the XFree86
|> (from blancmange.ma.utexas.edu) on a ISC 2.02 box. Programs (I tried
|> xlogo) worked fine, but the server gave me the following message (I
|> ran it with 'X386 vt06':
|> 
|> 
|> XFree86 Version 1.1 / X Window System
|> (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 5000)
|> Configured drivers:
|>   VGA256 (256 colour SVGA):
|>       et4000, et3000, pvga1, gvga, ati, tvga8900
|> (using VT number 6)
|>  
|> VGA256: pvga1 (mem: 512k numclocks: 14)
|> VGA256:   clocks: 25 28 59 72 78 71 52 64 13 14 34 36 40 33
|> VGA256: Too little memory for all resolutions
|>  
|>         *** None of the configured devices was detected.***
|>  
|>  
|> Fatal server error:
|> no screens found

What video card are you using?  I had this message to start with, because I have
an S3 based video card, and I was not using an S3 server.  If that is the case
for you, I know there are S3 servers available for both Linux and 386BSD.

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: tjrc1@cus.cam.ac.uk (T.J.R. Cutts)
Subject: Re: X11
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:39:31 GMT

If your memory and hard disk space are at a premium, then try Linux rather than
386BSD.  I got a a full installation of Linux + Xfree86 + TCP/IP and all the
other goodies in its SLS package onto a 60Mb partition quite comfortably,
including the Interviews packages doc and iDraw.  TCP/IP I understand is better in
386BSD, though Linux is rapidly improving (I think the kernel 0.99 released last
weekend is supposed to be a great improvement).  Please can we not have a
386BSD/Linux war... I did not mean to start it... :-)
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.unix.bsd
From: dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat)
Subject: Re: [386BSD] Xfree86, XS3 Mouse configuration
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:56:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.230232.22311@rwwa.COM> witr@rwwa.com writes:
> In article <1992Dec18.051723.26180@netcom.com>,
>  hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) writes:
> 
> | Generally, speaking I am the only person supporting XS3 for 386bsd 
> | and very few have benn problems reported. At any rate, in the future
> | just mail me. You will probably get a relevant answer to your problems
> | or questions.
> 
> Nonetheless, there *are* a lot of who are eagerly awaiting your folding
> your code into Xfree86.  I sincerely hope you aren't planning to go-it-alone
> forever due to some tiff or something with the Xfree86 crowd.  
> 
> Everyone would benefit from a unified server code base, and at least some
> (me) are suffering from the creeping balkanization of the code.
> 
> -- 
> Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 598 4480, Fax: +1 617 598 4430, Net: witr@rwwa.COM
> R.W. Withrow Associates, 21 Railroad Ave, Swampscott MA 01907-1821 USA

I hate to point this out, since I'm one of the major ones pushing Amancio
to do just this (:->), but...

Amancio is under no obligation to do this.  His code and XFree86 are both
available to anyone.  You (collective you - the community in general) can 
always do it yourselves.  People kept asking for SVR3 shared libraries, and
we kept saying "do it yourself".  Finally someone stepped up and did it
(one of the things coming in the next release).

There's no doubt that Amancio and the other folks he's working with are
the best qualified to get this merge done.  But they're certainly not
the ONLY ones capable of doing it.

I'll get off my soapbox now.

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 other people, and hope to fall in love."  -- Mallory Keaton
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: vdeede@wins.uia.ac.be.uia.ac.be (Tom Van Den Eede)
Subject: Cirrus & Xfree86
Organization: U.I.A.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:37:08 GMT

	Which parameters do I have to use to install Xfree86 with my cirrus GD5422-chip ??

			Tom (UIA)
Xref: sparky comp.windows.x.i386unix:75 comp.unix.bsd:10431
From: 2ec0@aurora.urich (Cheese)
Subject: NeXT programs 
Reply-To: 2ec0@aurora.urich.edu(Cheese)
Organization: University of Richmond
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:08:46 GMT


  I am wondering if there is a program that allows a NeXT computer to pop-up and run x-window programs.  If so where can I find this program.  
                                                  
                                                       Thanks, Cheese
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: libove@libove.alf.dec.com (Jay Vassos-Libove)
Subject: What Intel U*ix OS is this group aimed at?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Atlanta Customer Support Center
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:06:09 GMT

What Intel (80386, i486, etc) U*ix-based Operating System is
this newsgroup aimed at?

The two postings I've seen so far are for Linux only, which
is not necessarily transmittable to general i386 (and other
Intel-based) U*ix'es at all.

If this is only for Linux, please change the group name
appropriately.

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From: conklin@kaleida.com (J.T. Conklin)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.unix.bsd
Subject: [386BSD] Xfree86, XS3 Mouse configuration
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:15:42 GMT
Reply-To: conklin@kaleida.com
Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: talisman.kaleida.com

I have a serial Logitech Mouseman and Orchid F1280 which I am trying
to use with Xfree86 and XS3 on my 386BSD system.

I have video working fine, but I am having trouble configuring the
mouse.  Specifying "Logitech" in Xconfig doesn't work.

I started trying all of the different mouse types, and "Microsoft"
works well (even the middle button, I thought Microsft Mice only had
two) with X386mono, but not with XS3.  

What do I need to get my mouse working with XS3?  

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU (David Dawes)
Subject: Re: [Help] Xfree86, Trident, interlace
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:52:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.102720.3282@siemens.co.at> fuer@nessie.gud.siemens.co.at (Gerhard Fuernkranz) writes:
>My configuration:
>
>	- Xfree86-1.1 running under Linux
>	- SVGA card with Trident 8900C chip, 1MB ram
>	- NEC 3D monitor
>
>The video modes 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768 work fine in
>non-interlaced mode. But, due to the limitations of my monitor
>(max. 38kHz horizontal frequency) I use a dot clock of 45 MHz
>for 1024x768, which results in a vertical frequency of below
>50 HZ (I'll get woozy, when I have to look at the screen for a longer
>time).
>
>So I tried to design an interlaced video mode. I used the modegen
>spreadsheet, that is available under Linux to compute the parameters.
>I used a dot clock of 36 MHz, which results in a vertical frequency
>of about 43 Hz (which should be 86 Hz in interlaced mode),
>wrote the resulting configuration values from the spreadsheet into
>the Xconfig file an put the keyword `interlace' at the end of the line.
>
>My monitor syncs, both horizontally and vertically, but the first of
>the two half-pictures appears on the top half of the screen and the
>second one on the bottom, i.e. everything is drawn twice and with the
>half height. There also is a horicontal gray stripe between the
>two pictures, which seems to be the v-sync, that is produced by the
>VGA card between the two half-pictures.
>The flickering picture lets me believe, that the monitor syncs at
>43 Hz (i.e. every 2nd v-sync pulse) instead of 86 Hz.
>I also tried to to put `[+-][vh]sync' into the Xconfig file, but
>it did not influence the behaviour.
>
>N.B.: Interlaced 1024x768 mode works fine under DOS and with
>      Linux' tvgalib.
>
>Does anybody know, what's going on or what I have made wrong ?
>Are there special timing requirements for interlaced modes ?

I have an et4000 card and NEC 3D.  I run 1024x768 interlaced with a 45 MHz
clock.  The mode setting I use is:

"1024x768i" 45    1024 1064 1224 1264    768  777  785  817   Interlace

David
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From: pcrichar@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Pat Richard)
Subject: ATI Mach 8 server
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:06:35 GMT

Is there anyone working on a X386 server for the ATI Mach 8 chipset?
This would be of much value to all ATI users, especially the users of
the newer ATI cards (assuming the Mach 32 is backwards-compatible with the
Mach 8 chipset).

P.S. I'd do it myself, but I know nothing about X and am new to Unix
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: dkarr@sierra.com (David Karr)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: keyboardFocusPolicy problem
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:51:22 GMT
Organization: Sierra Geophysics,  Kirkland WA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Self-followup:

I've discovered that this problem only occurs if the application was built
on the HP.  I tried running the application built on the Sun (Motif from
ICS, I believe), and displaying on my 700/RX, and it does not display the
problem.

(I suppose this would have been better directed to comp.windows.x.motif and
comp.sys.hp.)

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From: einhorn_d@apsicc.aps.edu (E. Drew Einhorn)
Subject: Dell Unix SysVR4 XView woes!!
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 18:09:00 GMT
Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Note: Meat of this query in paragraph 3.  paragraphs 0-2 establish context.

0   I have an old SunView application.  I have a 486 box with Dell Unix SysVR4
    Issue 2.2.  Despite XView's warts the cv2xview script which converts
    a SunView applications to an XView application, appears to make it best
    choice of a toolkit for porting the SunView application to X.  At least
    in the short term.  Sooner or later I may want/need to rewrite the 
    application using another toolkit.  If not XView, which toolkit?
    Another posting will examine this question in more detail.

1   I am an X-beginner and have little experience with XView or any other
    X dialect.  cv2xview produced an application with lots of pixrects
    and other remnants of the SunView heritage.  At least it compiles
    and links (almost).  I am left with one uresolved external pr_load()
    which loads an image file into a pixrect.  This is the subject of
    a previous post.

2   XView is broken on Dell Unix.  Example 12-1 from O'Reilly Vol. 7 will
    not compile under Dell Unix.  I am left with several undefined symbolic
    constants including: NOTICE_MESSAGE_STRINGS, NOTICE_BUTTON_YES,
    NOTICE_BUTTON_NO, NOTICE_YES, ...  This is the subject of a previous
    post.

3   Dell supports an X11R5 system.  Dell's front line tech support does
    not have access to the source code used to compile the actual Dell
    distribution.  The employee who built their X system no longer works
    there.  Dell has determined that XView is not included in the X11R5
    distribution tape and is speculating that XView is no longer supported.
    I browsed around in the x-faq and only found mention of X11R3 and X11R4
    versions of XView.  What are the X Consortium's plans for XView.  Is
    it impossible, difficult, or easy to retrofit the X11R4 version of XView
    onto an X11R5 system?

Thanks,
Drew Einhorn
einhorn_d@apsicc.aps.edu

Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: warren@wam.umd.edu (the stupid one)
Subject: Re: What's the best PC X terminal software? Deskview X, Windows X?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:57:54 GMT

there are many available X servers for PCs
see the FAQ in comp.windows.x

X on a 14.4k modem:you need SLIP or PPP
opinions vary as to the usefulness and painfulness of this
some say its agonizingly, unacceptably slow
others say its not too bad
probably depends largely on the ratio of text to graphics info being passed
and what the operson being asked is used to

one point ot note about DV-X:
window managers other than DV's own and networking must be purchased
separately, and each costs as much as or more than the original package



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From: kiron@vedge.com (Kiron D. Bondale)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.ms,comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: TCP/IP and X under MS Windows 3.1?
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:37:36 GMT
Organization: Visual Edge Software Ltd.

We have been using NCD's PC-Xview software for the last few months, and
have had a lot of success with it.  It unfortunately does not support
PD TCP packages but if you are running something like FTP's PC-TCP or
PC-NFS, it works like a charm.  One of our users liked it enough that he
gave up his X-Station in favour of using his 486.

Kiron

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