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Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 13:21:17 EDT
From: Todd Alan Bobenrieth <TAB129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: My Weekend With Q!!!!

This past weekend (4th and 5th), I attended the Star Trek Convention in
Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania with special guest John DeLancie. I first would
like to point out how nice of a guy he is (for an immortal entity). When the
people who "thought" they were running the show tried to cut off the lines
for autographs, he told them to let anyone in who got there late. He also
granted me a personal exclusive interview that I will be submitting to the
Penn State Star Trek Club Newsletter. When I first met him, I was looking at
a display in the main room of the convention and I turned around to talk to
a friend, and DeLancie was standing right beside me. Apparently I yelled,
"HOLY SH*T!!!". Then I shook his hand and proclaimed, "IT's great to meet
YOU SIR!!!". After that he granted me the interview and promised me we would
do an on videocamera segment the next day, which he did. All in all it was a
phoenominal weekend. Oh, also writer Michael Jan Friedman who wrote Trek books
like Fortune's Light and a few others was there and I got an autographed copy
of one of his novels. Well, that's all for now. Thanks for listening to my
ramblings. BTW, I also have on videotape the second lecture, Q&A type thing
he did on Sunday. Until October, when coming to Wilkes Barre for the next
convention will be Michael Dorn and Suzie Plakson, this is Todd Bobenrieth
saying, So Long.

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From: mzimmer@lonestar.utsa.edu (Martin B. Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "The First Duty" **SPOILERS**
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:45:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


Minor Spoilers











































What type of punisment is not advancing with your class in a military acadmey?

A severe one, especially for a "wunderkund" like Wesley. Every one knows that
you have severly messed up. So you are now of lesser rank than your former
fellow classmates. You also become subject to EVERY concievable type of
practicle joke known to exist.

All that you can HOPE for is that you do not have that many enemies. And if you
have pissed of anyone in the past make peace with them as quickly as possible.
Try to make friends, if possible, HOPEFULLY they will warn you when someone is
after you. If not learn to sleep lightly and learn to suck it up and take it,
or get out.

I am not being rude. This is unfortuately a truism in action.

-> Martin Zimmerman
   mzimmer@lonestar.utsa.edu
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From: kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones)
Subject: Re: Kobyashi and Kirk
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:18:03 GMT

edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:
 > The way it worked is that Kirk refused to accept the "no-win"
 > scenario.  He took the test once.  He lost the simulation.
 > Rather then accept there is no way to win, he thought of it as
 > a giant videogame, where there must be *a* correct answer.  He
 > asked, and then took it a second time.  After being destroyed
 > again, the academy folks probably said "Look Kirk, you can
 > take this as many times as you want, but you'll NEVER win."
 > Kirk refused to accept this.  He refused to accept that there
 > are some situations which he could not triumph over.  Thus,
 > the third time and the re-programming.

How about this interpretation: Kirk thought the situation as
presented wasn't really a no-win situation, and thought that if
the situation were real there ought to be a way a cagey starship
captain could to get out of it.  And so he wanted to try out his
theories.  Finally when he realized that the simulation was
flawed, he fixed it so that it would accurately simulate reality.
Kirk then retook the test and won.

It's not Kirk's fault if the simulation programmers didn't do
their job properly.  Given a truly unbeatable enemy Kirk would
back down as quickly as any man.  You didn't see him trying to
attack V'ger did you?

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From: goodwin@orionsci (Ben Goodwin)
Subject: Re: (Spoilers First Duty)
Reply-To: goodwin@orionsci.UUCP (Ben Goodwin)
Organization: Orion Scientific, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:22:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.193712.1377@cupnews0.cup.hp.com> runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan) writes:
>goodwin@orionsci.uucp (Ben Goodwin) writes:
>>First duty spoilers>Assumptions!
>
>>2) Kirk=Locarno theory>BS!
>>   You are all basing your theories on no data.  We have almost
>>   no data on Kirk's days at the academy.  As a matter of fact the Kobyashi
>>   Maru is the only reference I've seen to Kirk's Academy Days.
>
>You are probably going to get dozens of responses, so let me fall into
>the pack somewhere...
>
>1. We know that Kirk had a problem with an upper classman who caused him
>   enough grief that Kirk was more than willing to severely beat him
>   (I think the episode is `Shoreleave')

This is not unusual.  That sort of thing happens to everyone.  Can't you
think of some one who picked on you when you were a kid that you'ved
love to get back at now that you're a 3rd dan? :)  Remember in that
episode fantasies were coming to life.  Damn glad I wasn't there.  I'd
have been in real trouble. ;->

>
>2. I believe that the incident with the blood-sucking energy cloud happened
>   while Kirk was a cadet onboard a starship.

No.

>
>3. The one concerning Kirk's courtmartial... wasn't the event that caused
>   the `dead man' to try to get Kirk related to what happened while both
>   were cadets?  Or were they on board a ship?

No.

>
>Of course, there are various non-canon sources (e.g. Star Trek Comics)
>that discussed Kirks Academy life, too, but I guess we can't bring
>them in.
>
>Mark Runyan

OOOOHHHH, you're gonna burn!  Never ever ever bring up non-canon sources
in this group! ;->  Also, not fair, I don't read the comics.
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: A few comments THE FIRST DUTY brought up
Keywords: Calculus Academy FIRST DUTY
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:08:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.193049.8504@willamette.edu> bbrown@willamette.edu (Brian Brown) writes:
>Okay, two questions popped into my mind while watching THE FIRST DUTY:
>
>1)	When do kids in TNG learn Calculus?  In this episode,  there was
>	a refrence to the Squad Leader bucking down on Calc. to get into the
>	Academy.  From this, I can only assume that he was taking it in High-
>	School (or the TNG equivalent).  However, in another episode (I don't
>	remember the name, it was when the people from that mythical planet
>	stole several children off the big E), a boy about 10-12 years old
>	was complaining about having to learn Calc.  I got the impression
>	that both of them were learning in standard tracts, so why the big
>	age difference?
>
Possibly different areas of calculus?  I only had a single year of it
(at the end of HS).  Is there more?  Perhaps Josh was takeing the last of
four years.

>2)	Why is Star Fleet Academy on Earth?  I always had the impression that
>	it was in orbit somewhere, and this would seem to me to be a more
>	logical location for it, anyway.  It helps give the students more
>	experience at being out in space - Whether on a ship, at a StarBase,
>	or whatever.  This is not an important point, but what does anybody
>	else think?

I think there are several academies, one on earth, another on vulcan, etc.
This would explain why most of the cadets were human, and why the 
gardener personally knew all of them (which would be impossible if that 
one academy supplied all the officers for the entire fleet.)

There's no canon proof for this theory, but there's nothing against it either.


-- 
        Real Programmers Don't Eat Quiche.
                      hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
                      Gene Roddenberry 1921-1991
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From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
Subject: Re: "The First Duty" **SPOILERS**
Organization: Ursa Minor Beta, 402-476-8047 @ 2400
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 08:21:34 GMT

Still, they never should have tried it going for the burn for the
display.  If they wanted it to be a surprise for the commencement
ceremony, they don't want to tip off their hand.  Wait until you have
the diploma in hand before you defy the rules.  It was THAT that I feel
really caused the disaster.

(And it's been almost 2 weeks now.  If you stumbled into this post and
 still haven't seen the ep, that's your problem.  The subject line
 clearly states the episode name and that it contains a spoiler, and
 thus ends my obligation.)

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From: trekkie@netlink.cts.com (Bryce Newall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Request of Conundrum Bios
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:15:24 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

smc67406@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:

> Can someone send me a copy of the Next Generation Biography file from the
>   episode Conundrum that was posted here a few weeks ago.  I lost part of the
> file due to a bad sector on my disk.
> 
                 Picard, Captain Jean-Luc
Birthdate        13 July 2305
Parents          Maurice and Yvette Picard
Place of Birth   LaBarre, France
 

                 Crusher, Beverly C., M.D.
Birthdate        13 October 2334
Parents          Paul and Isabel Howard
Place of Birth   Copernicus City, Luna
 

                 Troi, Lt. Commander Deanna
Birthdate        29 March 2336
Parents          Alex and Lwuxana Troi
Place of Birth   Betazed
 

                 Lieutenant Commander Data
Birthdate        2 February 2336
Parents          Noonian Soong
Place of Birth   Omicron Theta
 

                 Ro, Ensign Larren
Birthdate        17 January 2340

This is how I saw it posted a few weeks ago.  The credits go to Dean Adams, 
apparently the only one among us with a VCR with good enough resolution to 
read all this stuff! :)  Thanks, Dean!

                                                -- Trekkie

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From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
Subject: Re: "The First Duty" **SPOILERS**
Organization: Ursa Minor Beta, 402-476-8047 @ 2400
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 07:57:59 GMT

I was surprised to find out that Academy Cadets got pockets, but
graduates did not have them.  Also that they still use normal doors on
Earth, not the "sound-activated doors" [see Airplane II] of starships.
:-)

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From: iacovone@zeus.franklin.edu (Daniel R. Iacovone)
Subject: What if?
Organization: Franklin University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 05:28:31 GMT

I know it has been over 2 years since the Borg encounter, but I must
get this off my chest.

What if the Borg managed to get to Earth and the Enterprise failed?

Would the result be

The Assimulated States of AmeriBorg.

OBorgO
AlaBorga
IoBorg
KenBorgy
Borgissippi
CaliBorgnia
New Borgey
New Borg
New Borgshire
DelaBorg

I think you get my point.

flame me at
iacovone@zeus.franklin.edu
Columbus, Ohio.
From: mary@fresh-and-fruity.ai.mit.edu (Mary S. Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Yet another opinion on "The First Duty"
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:46:23 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

*Spoilers* for "The First Duty"

I thought this was good, but definitely not great.  It had
some excellent scenes, and the Wesley-makes-a-real-mistake
was a worthwhile theme.  But the episode as a whole didn't
grab my interest that strongly.  Perhaps that's because I
don't care enough about Wesley.  I don't *dislike* the
character, and Wesley's certainly been better written in his
last three outings ("Final Mission" and this season's), but
nor do I *like* him.  As a result, I felt more anguish on
behalf of Picard and Commander Albert than I did for Wesley.
That's unfortunate for this episode, because I thought Wesley
was well written and well acted here.  And if I'd cared
strongly about his character going into this, I expect I'd
have liked "The First Duty" considerably more.

A few pluses and minuses:

+ Picard.  Especially his scene with Wesley in the ready room.
+ I thought Commander Albert (Joshua's father) was very well
  portrayed.  Kudos to Lauter.
+ Boothby.  From the episode's standpoint, he could have had
  a more minor role, but I enjoyed his scenes with Picard and
  I liked the continuity.
+ the door handles
- I found it hard to believe Wesley and the others would have
  tried the maneuver in the first place.  Surely they would 
  have been severely punished by the Academy even if they'd
  succeeded?  If not, why not?  
- the two female cadets were too insipid
- (petty) If Joshua learned Calculus at close to the same age
  as the child in "When the Bough Breaks", then he was very
  young to get himself a private tutor etc.

Mary Soon Lee           I balanced all, brought all to mind,
mary@ai.mit.edu         The years to come seemed waste of breath,
                        A waste of breath the years behind
William Butler Yeats -> In balance with this life, this death.
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Boothby and Picard: TFD
Keywords: TFD
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:36:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr8.204725.10863@husc3.harvard.edu>, wilde@husc8.harvard.edu (Robert Wilde) writes...
>In article <1992Apr8.173140.25324@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> heather@hub.toronto.edu (Heather Hinton) writes:
>>In `The Game', when Wes returns to the Enterprise, there is a
>>wonderfully heart-warming (read: stomach-churning) scene where Wes and
>>Picard discuss the academy.  Picard had told Wes to introduce himself to
>>Boothby on an earlier epsiode, and then in `The Game' asks how Boothby
>>is doing.  
>>
>>Doesn't Wesley reply that Boothby didn't remember who Picard was?  If
>>so, how come Boothby suddenly is able to recognize Picard and list all
>>his accomplishments?  What gives?
> 
>	I believe Wes responds that Boothby didn't remember him at first,
>anyone with this episode videotaped care to check?
> 
>Bob

     Wesley: He didn't remember you sir.

     That was the extent of it.  I was thinking that Ron Moore addressed
     this subtely in TFD when Boothby said, "I know them all."  I think
     Boothby was pulling Wesley's leg, trying to appear the gruff old
     man (i.e., McCoy image).




          ^Hot Damn, That Pie Was Good!^
                     Common Phrases Heard at
                     RR Diner #32.

          ^Scott Gorcey, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu^
From: cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Transporter (was Re: An oddity)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:14:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.201232.23515@berlioz.nsc.com> sanborn@berlioz.nsc.com (sanborn) writes:
>
>I think there's a much simpler and practical reason for not crouching
>or standing ready with phasers when transporting and that's continuity.
>When you think it may be a few days between filming the transporter room
>and their appearence at the destination it is reasonable to assume an
>upright relaxed posture that will be the same in any setting. Remember

That seems reasonable, but if we trying to explain this in terms of the
series characters, then filming won't cut it. 

>ROT13 .sig >> Znqr ln ybbx! Uzzz, whfg jung jrer lbh rkcrpgvat? :-)
>

I'm too worried as to just what this might be to ROT-13 it and find out.

Regards,
Janis C.
From: kirk@cs.duke.edu (Scooter Corleone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Academy Flag (Was: Re: First Duty questions)
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:26:22 GMT
Organization: The Zymurgy Institute

In article <1992Mar31.144816.19257@cs.cornell.edu> sabel@cs.cornell.edu
(Laura S
abel) writes:
>knauer@cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Knauerhase) writes:
>
>[....]
>
>>Fourth, isn't it a bit much to have the Golden Gate Bridge on the Academy
>>flag?  It's allure as an engineering breakthrough is dying _now_, let
alone
>>400 years from now.  I don't care either way, but it seems a bit odd to
have
>>that be the flag's centerpiece.
>
>I thought that they were implying that San Francisco was a
>separate political entity; i.e., that this was equivalent to
>flying the US flag today.  Has anything been said before about
>the political landscape of Earth in TNG's time?
>
Ummmm...maybe the Golden Gate Bridge is on the flag because the Academy's IN
San Francisco, and because the Golden Gate Bridge is a symbol of San
Francisco, and because the bridge is a graceful structure in a beautiful
setting. Is is really that common to decorate flags with symbols that
represent engineering breakthroughs?

No worries,

Scooter Corleone
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Parallel Universes
From: colin@eleipl1.eleipl1.aukuni.ac.nz (Just call me Sir Slarty)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:18:52 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

njm@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:

>In response to your recent posting on parallel universes, I would like to add:

>WHO CARES!!!??

>Stop bickering over an argument that cannot be solve!

The only way to solve an argument is to carry it through. 
Even if a problem is insoluble, much information can be gained by going over
it from many different viewpoints.  Besides, its fun.

>Get off the computer and go do something spontaneous!

Yes, be spontaneous, NOW !!!          8)
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From: me308lab@ux.acs.umn.edu (Mechanical Eng consultant)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi's Mom-To Know Her Is To Hate Her
Summary: I dissagree.
Keywords: Please Go Away
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:14:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux.1992Apr16.211411.27905
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Apr15.184602.6385@cbfsb.cb.att.com> kalel@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (peter.t.mcdermott) writes:
>...
>However,
>when I see her arrogance as Troi's mom come across the screen. I do not feel
>she is acting anymore. I believe that she has actually come over the years
>to feel as though she is part of the reason for all the Star Trek success,
>and is simply walking through the, ugh, yearly tip of the hat to TOS 
>episode.
>...
>							Peter T. McDermott
>						e-mail: attmail!kalel

Where on earth (or in Fed space) do you find evidence for this little
bit of psychoanalysis?  Make arguments about Mrs. Roddenbury's
acting ability, fine, but DON'T make completely fact-less, opinionated
hypotheses about the inner workings of an individual you have no direct
knowledge of.
 
-- 
Tola H. Marts   \\\   ME at MN   \\\   email: TMARTS@VX.ACS.UMN.EDU

   "You'll be the mule, I'll be the plow, come harvest time,
    we'll work it out."- Nancy Griffith, _Troubled Fields_
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From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
Subject: Re: Stardate System
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Organization: Ursa Minor Beta, 402-476-8047 @ 2400
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 07:53:22 GMT

fritzw@cpl-mfh.UUCP (Fritz Wonnacott) writes:
>stevea@jab.tucson.az.us (Steve Albany) writes:

>>        I've always assumed that the Stardate system was truly relative to  
>>a vessel because of the slight time distortion associated with warp travel.
>>        So while it might 40321.5 on the Enterprise at a given point in 
>>time, it might be 40324.1 on another vessel.

>Please check the FAQ listing about StarDates on TNG.  The information you and
>others are seeking can be found in the FAQ list.

We can also add other observations.

>If memory serves, TNG StarDates have LITTLE to do with space/time continuum or
>with anything else likewise.

Indeed.  However, it was one of the reasons put out to explain why TOS
stardates were so screwy, even decreasing within an episode.

>  They are created by:

>  45425.2
>  ^^^^^ ^
>  ||||| +---- Decimal section of day
>  ||+++------ Particular Day
>  |+--------- Season Index (5th season episode!!)
>  +---------- 24th Century

>or something of this nature... haven't got the FAQ list in front of me!

True, however, with taking it directly from the context of how it is
used in a show, the first two digits represent 10s and 1s of years, the
next three in days, and the 1/10s a fraction of a day, rounded of
course.

Thing is, with this observation, 1 staryear == 1000 stardates, or 1000
days, which by how we've been given times, is still 24 hours.  An hour
may be something different, but seconds are consistent, with certain
scenes where Data says something to the second, and you count, and it
happens then, to the second.  (BOBW2 comes to mind.)  We are meant to
assume I believe that hours, minutes, and seconds are consistent with
present-day perception of them.  The only strange thing is that normal
Terran years match the 1000 day stardate.  (Also means that stardates
were simply redone from a zero day about 46 years ago, in TNG, and
disagrees with the official "4 == 24th Century" word, which is pretty
much meaningless babble.)

So, put simply, they are just used to indicate passage of time through
the series, and overall, don't mean much.  In the short term of days
passing and fractional days, they are pretty consistent, and in the long
term, if 1000 stardates == 365 Terran days, they are pretty consistent.
The area between however is very mixed up, and no sense should be tried
to make of it.

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