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From: mimir@hardy.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Berkeley OTO and Wicca
Date: 25 Jan 1993 03:02:11 GMT
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
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In article <1993Jan24.122303.20331@netcom.com> ashton@netcom.com writes:
>
>A really nice piece of work on the origins of Witchcraft is
>_Crafting the Art of Magic: A History of Modern Witchcraft 1939-1964_
>Aidan Kelly, Llewellyn, 1991.

 The book is crap. He ignores evidence (since I know people questioned by
him who told him things that contradict what he wrote) that doesn't fit
his conclusions, his conclusions cannot be derived from the evidence, and
the whole thing has more wholes than swiss cheese.

Wassail,
Grendel Grettisson
From: an4484@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Masonic Practices??
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.magick
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:52:00 GMT

Date Entered: 01-24-93 03:46


My understanding (as much I guess as an outsider could have) of Masonic
practices would be that they descend from the Knights Templar of around
the time of the middle ages. Their purpose inbeing was to be the guardians
of the Holy Grail.

Funny though....I was talking to a Witch whose grandfather was a Mason and
it seems their beliefs are a little more elaborate than that. It seems that
the whole idea behind Masonry is that Christ as a man was married or at
least had sexual relations with Mary Magdelan which produced offspring.
The Masons  then have one purpose....to defend these descendants of Christ
down through the ages.

And the reason for the secrecy is that the whole premise of the Christian
religion is the fact that Jesus was the Son of God....hence the need for
secrecy. The Witch (who had evidently gleaned this info from her grandfathers
diaries seemed to resent this, in that this means the Masons are basically
defending a lie...namely, Christ as the celibate Son of God who never married
as that might make certain Christian practices/beliefs untenable.

Any comments on this?


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From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: ritual in lucid dreams
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:45:39 GMT
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
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In-reply-to: cranmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu's message of 26 Jan 93 19:54:15 EST


In article <15672.2b6596e7@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> 
cranmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:

   mist@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Paul Timmins) writes...

>   > Hrm, I understand, my mind is very hectic, visualization does not
>   > come easily to me. Well, I can visualize dimensions, and geometric
>   > shapes <2d through 4d>, but trying to visualize a blank white wall kills
 		       ^^^^
>   Let's get this straight:  you can visualize geometric shapes with four
>   spatial dimensions.  *Not* just their projections in 3D space, but all
>   four dimensions at once.  Please, if you can, tell us how you do this,
>   and how one can train ones inherently 3D mind to do this at will.

the way I envisage the enochian Great Table (which i n object having
four sptcial (and two temporal -- but we won't get into that) dimensions)
is to hold the square diagram in my mind, give the lateral edges a
half twist and connect them, and simultaneously give the top and bottom
edges a half twist and connect them. the result is a four dimensional
diagram.

josh
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: jeckenbe@sloth.Reed.Edu (Judah Michael Eckenberg)
Subject: Re: The method of Science, the aim of Religion
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:24:33 GMT

	As a physics major who is very interested in magick, I can  
sympathize with the desire to quantify the effects of magick.  I think  
that one of the problems with producing statistical results from magick is  
the possibly quantum nature of magic.  If magick does indeed operate at  
the quantum level, then our belief (our interaction) in the phenomena will  
effect the observed results.  In quantum effects there is no "objectivity"  
and so you get no "objective" results.  Most, I would say, scientists do  
not believe in magick, and therefore do not see it.  For more ideas on the  
possible quantum nature of the mind and magick, see Liber Kaos by Peter J.  
Carroll and the Emperors New Mind, by Roger Penrose.

	Judah Eckenberg
	Reed College		jeckenbe@reed.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: mcnair@slab.unt.edu (SEAN MCNAIR)
Subject: re: Abortifacients
Organization: School of Library & Info Sci, UNT
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:16:56 GMT

	Have you considered actually having the child?


			Sean Jeffers Mc Nair
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: alchemy (was: Re: Dracula the Alchemist)
Date: 22 Jan 93 09:47:15 GMT
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
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In-reply-to: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu's message of 22 Jan 93 04:06:26 GMT


In article <Jan.21.23.06.26.1993.25103@ruhets.rutgers.edu> 
farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris) writes:

>   In article <1993Jan21.054648.6771@sobeco.com>, ladislas@sobeco.com 
(Ladislas A.) writes:
>   :[the famous van helmont transmution]
>   Just one stupid question ;-)
>   Was that alchemical mercury, or the actual metal mercury, which is a
>   liquid at room temperature?
 
the second. see my previous posts.

josh
From: farris@neutrino.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Doping Mercury
Keywords: Re: Doping Mercury
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:32:49 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Ah, Mr Tucker, we meet again. This time, I am in my guise as corrector
of erroneous statements regarding physcis.

In article <1993Jan25.155918.26579@linus.mitre.org>, tucker@mitre.org (William Tucker) writes:

:I don't know. It could look and act differently. Most doping in
:the semiconductor realm affects electrical properties. Colin was
:right about electrons controlling chemical reactions. However, it
:is the Atomic number that determines whether a substance is a
:particular element or not, this is from the number of protons
:that it has. Electrons exist in the exact number as there are
:protons in an unionized element.

At best, there will be a slight imbalance of charge, whatever the
materials. See a few posts back for what it would be like if you had a
few grams of Hg in which all the atoms are singly ionized.

::most ionic substances exist as gases, eh?
:
:Ionic substances exist in all forms. An ion means the element
:has a charge, it's either missing or has too many electrons.
:An isotope means that it has an imbalance in nuetrons, like
:deutirium. There are supposed to be as many nuetrons as there
:are protons in a stable atom too, just as there are supposed
:to be the same number of electrons as there are protons.

No, no, no, no! This is absolutely wrong. An isotope is a member of a
family of nuclei, all having the same number of protons, but differing
numbers of neutrons. And in deuterium, there is *one* proton and *one*
neutron.

:are not ionized, they just have tendencies to gain or lose an
:electron based upon their outer electron shells, when electricity
:is applied, like normal shells consist of eight electrons, an atom
:with seven in it's outer shell would want to gain one more to become
:"more" stable; an atom with one electron in it's outer shell would want
:to lose that electron to have a more stable electon configuration, but
:only in the presence of excess energy like electricity or as in the solar
:cell, impingent light.

You've got a vague idea of what is going on, but you are a bit off. I
will explain, if you like, but doping of semiconductors is not really
relevant to the topic at hand, IMO. Nor was that long discussion of
semiconductor circuit construction.

		your friendly physicist,
			Lorenzo
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From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Hi Fi etc
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:34:53 GMT

:   Duh, you appear to be British - is /fei-nans/ a new trend here that I
:   missed?  finance has sounded like fiddlesticks! for as long as I remember.

:Uh?  To me finance is /fei-nans/, and always has been.  My dictionary
:agrees with me.  Or is this a bizarre joke?

Suddenly feeling unsure, I checked *my* dictionary (well, the first one to
hand and the one I prefer - Chambers) and it has /fi-/ as preferred use and
/fei-/ as an alternative.  So I guess we're both right.  It's just I've
never heard that variant.  Say, do you pronounce finance differently from
financial, by any chance?

G
(Mind you, I'm the sort of luddite who stresses the first syllable of
Thes-au-rus, so what do I know...)
[Blame my Granny for that one...]
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Words that are Opposites...
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:32:46 GMT
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA
X-Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?"
X-Witty-Saying: "Mobius strip - see other side for instructions"

Here's some: "not bad" can be taken to mean "but not good, either";
"fairly good" (or "quite good") can mean "very good" or "not very good".
I suppose it comes from the classical British understatement...

-- 
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From: jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman)
Subject: Re: discs, was Re: Presently
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:39:20 GMT

slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser") writes:

>Really? I was always taught that "mollusc" was the preferred form, since
>taxonomic names are given in scientific pseudo-Latin and not in English.
>Which stylebooks specify "mollusk"?

Webster's 3rd gives the word as "mollusk _or_ mollusc", implying that
mollusc is a variant.  The name of the phylum, Mollusca, is indeed
pseudo-Latin & of course has the c.
-- 
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        Brookline, MA 02146
From: zablosky@ucs.ubc.ca (Paul Zablosky)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Words that are Opposites...
Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:08:25 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services, UBC, Canada
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Here is a favorite of mine:

"wear" means both to resist wear and to suffer from it.

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From: ca831@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven John Peterson)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Learning the ropes of "Ins and Outs"
Date: 23 Jan 1993 18:14:52 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Please, help!!!!!!!

I had a disagreement with a fellow co-worker over how the
phrase "ins and outs" should appear on a photo caption.

My preferred choice was "in's and out's," while he 
argued that since the words were neither possesive nor
contractions the phrase should read "ins and outs."

I couldn't argue with his logic, but to me, the words
ins and outs look very strange.  Which is correct and
why?  (*sigh* I think I already know the answer....)

_________________________________________________________________
Steven John Peterson    "Paradise is exactly like where you are
ca831@cleveland.freenet.edu       right now...only much, much
stevenp@admin.stedwards.edu       better." --Laurie Anderson
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: scotty@netcom.com (J Scott Peter)
Subject: [Non-]restrictive adjectives
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:30:35 GMT


I have long noticed a deficiency in the English language; namely, that a
use of an adjective can be restrictive or non-restrictive, in the same way
a clause can, but there's no way at all to distinguish them.  For example,
the phrase "the stupid socialists" can mean either "those socialists who are
stupid" (restrictive), or "the socialists, who are all stupid"
(non-restrictive).  Unless you know the political philosophy of the
speaker/writer, you don't know which meaning he intends.

This is a bit of a problem, and I've only been able to come up with a joke
solution:  Since the adverb "fucking" currently doesn't mean anything,
let's use it to indicate non-restrictive adjectives.  So when you mean
"stupid" restrictively, you'd just say "the stupid socialists".  But when
you mean it in a redundant, non-restrictive sense, you'd say "the fucking
stupid socialists".  Seems to work.
-- 
J Scott Peter XXXIII  // "Instantiating new solutions in the emerging arena
scotty@netcom.com    // of transcending the de-facto horizons of industry-
Las Anjealous       // standard open paradigms."
From: prh@essence.demon.co.uk ("Peter R. Humphrey")
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: "Registrating" or "Registration"?
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:58:57 GMT
Reply-To: prh@essence.demon.co.uk
Distribution: alt
Organization: Organization?  What organization?
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.30 $

In article <1993Jan26.112928.11526@vax.oxford.ac.uk> wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>You register births, marriages and deaths at the Registry Office. I suppose
>there's no reason other than cussedness why that word isn't used of other
>offices.

I believe the name is actually Register Office.  It's the place where 
the register is kept, after all.

-- 
Rgds

Peter Humphrey  |  prh@essence.demon.co.uk         | Voice 0932-343158
Woking, UK.     |  unionjack@cix.compulink.co.uk   | Data  0932-353948
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,alt.tasteless.jokes
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:47:42 -0500 
From: "Robert B. Lang" <rl3c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Question?


If you get divorced in West Virginia, is your ex-wife still your sister?


Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: jhoskins@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James M Hoskins)
Subject: Re: "Have a Nice Day"
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:41:04 GMT

In article <C17nEE.EIC@mach1.wlu.ca> brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca (breadner ken u) wri
tes:

>This phrase is one of my biggest pet peeves. But its irritation factor
>(IF) pales into insignificance when compared with the novel North American
>conversation that I have to go through time after time and day after day:
>
>"Hi! How are you?"
>"Fine. And how are you?"
>"Fine"...
>
>Was there ever a time when people actually listened to each other? I
>Frankly, I am amazed anyone noticed--because nobody ever listens to the
>half-baked conversations that pass for "formalities".
>
>Does this crap happen only in English? Is it cultural--does it happen on
>the other side of the Atlantic? Or is it universal?


Two people approached each other on a path:

Eh, you're here.
Here peacefully.
How's it going?
Not bad.
Your wife?
In peace.
Your entire family?
In peace.
Your children?
In peace.
Peace only.
How's your family?
Not bad, thank god.
Thank god.
Thank god.
Praise god.
Peace only.
Thank god.
Your health?
Not bad.
You are healthy?
My body is fine.
Your wife?
She is healthy.
Your wife's health?
She is in peace only.
Praise god.
Thank god.
God is good.
Peace only.
Say hello to your family for me.
I will.
Have a good day.



I overheard this conversation in the Sahara Desert.  These
guys didn't know each other and never got past these standard
formalities.  Given your attitude you might want to consider
yourself lucky.








:
From: shakib.otaqui@almac.co.uk (Shakib Otaqui)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: UN: Presently
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:11:00 GMT
Reply-To: shakib.otaqui@almac.co.uk (Shakib Otaqui)
Organization: Almac BBS Ltd. +44 (0)324 665371

GT>   Ah yes, the old 'touch-'n-go' langing announcement that scares the willies
  >   out of me each time I hear it...  "Ladies and Gentlemen, we shall be landing
  >   at La Guardia momentarily"  "Hey!  Aren't you gonna stop long enough for
  >   me to jump off even?"

  "We shall be taking off momentarily" scares me even more.


---
 . PQ 2.15 189 . Amos, Amas, Amat it again.
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: "Have a Nice Day"
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:55:49 +0000

:He once told another lady about this technique of "tiny revenge." She liked
:it a lot, and tried to put it into practice. Unfortunately, prevarication
:is a skill, and her expression came out slowly, and at the top of her voice.
:Needless to say, her revenge was NOT subtle.

Congratulations!  You win the alt.usage.english prize for being the first
person I've spotted on the net to use 'prevarication' properly.

A second prize awaits the first person to use 'procrastination' *at all*, as
its use seems to have been wholly subsumed by prevarication :-(

G
From: hairy@sloth.equinox.gen.nz (Phil Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Back from the UK 
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 07:39:12 GMT
Organization: Lethargy Inc.


In article <1993Jan26.181313.29425@osf.org> dbrooks@osf.org writes:

  > | b) Doesn't anyone consider it important to wash their hands before using
  > | the toilet?
  > 
  > Engineers?  Bakers?  Kindergarten teachers (think finger paints)?

Chemists!

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From: mcronin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael T Cronin)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: a question for all readers
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:54:36 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

This is for all you netters out there:

I am currently doing a research paper on the effects of computers on the Englis
h language.  I am looking at not only the creation of new vocabulary, but also 
the changes that have occured in the language because of computers and computer
ization (ie. _interface_ being used as a verb as well as a noun).  From reading
 this newsgroup, I know that you are concerned with the English language and th
at is why I come to you.  

I ask the readers of this newsgroup to assist me in my research by providing an
swers to my queries.  I don't want to restrict your responses, however.  If you
 feel the response is germain to the topic outlined above, feel free to share i
t.  But this is what I want to know:

     How has your use of the English language changed with the technology?
     How do you feel computerization of society has changed the language and so
ciety as a whole?
     What is the most significant change you have seen in the language because 
of computerization?
     
I would be particularly interested in hearing from non-native English speakers.
  How has the use of English affected you, and what have been the effects of co
mputerization.

Any specific information (a book to look at, etc.) can be mailed to me at the a
ddress below.  If however, you feel that your input could cause a debate among 
netters, *please* post it to the newsgroup.  The more input I get the better, a
nd a lively discussion could prove educational and well as interesting.

Thank you in advance for assisting me in this research.  I hope you all can par
ticipate; I'm sure you all have something to say.
_________________________________________
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From: benha@castle.ed.ac.uk (Ben Hambidge)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: 3 guesses
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:47:31 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


Does anyone know the origin of 'three' in the phrase 'I'll give
you three guesses'?

Ben.

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From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Canadian English
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:59:58 +0000

:As a continental European, I spent the first dozen or so years of my
:life under the impression that the whole world thought in kilometres
:and Centigrade.  I had a mighty good time when I first came across a
:copy of _The Times_.  It contained a number of cooking recipes with
:all temperatures listed in Centigrade, Fahrenheit and gas marks.  On
:the other hand, in the weather forecast the temperatures were given
:only in Centigrade and Fahrenheit, but not in gas marks, for some reason.

That's because temperatures here would never get above Regulo 0. :-)

(Not to mention the real reason - Gas Marks are a unit of Power, not
Temperature.  They only approximate to temperature in the long run
on a perfectly leaky oven)

G
From: Mildred_Thill@ACT.EDUC.UALBERTA.CA (Mildred Thill)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: between, among
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:11:37 GMT
Followup-To: alt.usage.english
Organization: University of Albert

A few days ago, a parents group I belong to got into a bit of an arguement
about how to use beween and among. Some of us thought that between should
be used only when referring to two things, but not three or more. However
some said that in the sentence, "We want to improve communication among
teachers, parents and the members of the community", 'between' would work
just as well, with the proviso that it emphasized the two way communication
between each possible pair in the group.
From: mjhf@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Michael James Horsfall)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Canadian English
Date: 22 Jan 93 03:54:42 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1993Jan21.022336.26550@g2syd.genasys.com.au> jonog@g2syd.genasys.com.au (Jonathan Gowland) writes:

>In article <C12z51.I9K@CAM.ORG> renault@CAM.ORG (Pierre Renault) writes:

>>Apparently, when an american goes to a choke'n'puke to eat a hamburger,
>                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Chew'n'Spew             - Chinese restaurant
>The Scottish Restaurant - McDonald's
>Greasy Joe's            - independent shop selling hamburgers and similar
>                          take-away fare

>- Jonathan Gowland

The Canadian version of a "choke'n'puke" is a "gag'n'puke", at least in my
experience. We also refer to a small, dirty restaurant as a "Greasy Spoon",
although originally, in the 1930's, this term was reserved for Railroad
eating-houses.

Mike Horsfall
mjhf@troi.cc.rochester.edu
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