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From: dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon)
Subject: Re: Cancelling a print -- HOW??
Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:03:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.215959.15358@athena.mit.edu> lones@lones.mit.edu (Lones A. Smith) writes:
>Suppose I send something to the printer (say, from TeXView). Then I  
>realize it was a huge blunder. How can I cancel the print? My method  
>hitherto has been to take out the paper cartridge and ...... (you get the  
>idea).
>
>What should I do?
>
>--
>Lones A. Smith
>Department of Economics
>MIT E52-252C
>Cambridge MA 02139
>v-mail: (617) 253-0914
>e-mail: lones@lones.mit.edu  (NeXT mail or the garden variety stuff)

I always have PrintManager running in the background with the Queue option
on.  I keep it hidden until I realize that I made a boo-boo.  Then, double-
click on the app icon, look at the Queue window and you will see a Delete
option.  Highlight the boo-booed document and hit delete.  Ta-da.
You could always hit the 'cancel' button on the print pop-up panel, but that
only works about 70% of the time.

David L. Leon
dleon@seas.smu.edu
.


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From: zulu!errol (Errol Ginsberg)
Subject: Re: Accounting Software for the NeXT
Organization: Ridgeback Solutions
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 23:40:16 GMT

In article <1hngpdINNbk0@shelley.u.washington.edu>  
begonia@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rubricant Horticulturist) writes:
> I'm in charge of the accounting for our small software company.
> Currently we are using Quicken via SoftPC.  However, eventually I
> would like to use something that is specifically designed for the NeXT
> but I'm not sure what possibilities are out there.  
> 
> I would like to hear what other small businesses with NeXTs are doing.
> So if you think your particular setup works or you have suggestions
> please send me e-mail to begonia@abstractsoft.com.  I'll post a
> summary of the information I get if folks are interested.
> 
> -- 
> Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush, Public Relations
> Abstract Software             
> e-mail: begonia@abstractsoft.com        NeXTmail accepted with glee
> "Another one of the flock following the herd."

There is now a package for the NeXT from AXSYS 215-886-3330. It looks  
comprehensive, but tedious (the personal version does not have A/C Payable  
or A/C Receivable). 

--
Regards,

Errol Ginsberg			
Ridgeback Solutions	SNMP Network Management for NeXT
Tel: 310/456-6094
Fax: 310/456-9715
-- 
Regards,

Errol Ginsberg			
Ridgeback Solutions	SNMP Network Management for NeXT
From: brit@wagner.Physics.McGill.CA (Dave Britton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: FORTRAN-  and Pascal-Compiler
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:12:21 GMT
Organization: McGill University

> 
> Also, if you want to --- dare I say it? --- pay, there is a Fortran90 
> compiler from NAG as well as the Absoft F77 compiler. I have used  
neither.
> 
> 

I have had a fair amount of trouble with the absoft compiler, including
finding one bug that they blame on the 68040 chip. On the other hand
I have had no problems with f2c (available free on ftp sites) AND
programs tend to run quicker if I use f2c rather than the absoft
compiler. 
The absoft compiler is certainly fine for simple fortran but if
(like me) you have 300 subroutines of ancient fortran using all
sorts of dubious constructs, then forget it. For example, if you
have a subroutine that has entry points that allow an alternative
return code (ENTRY MYENTRY(A,*) syntax) then the subroutine itself
must be declared MYSUBROUTINE(...,*) even if the main subroutine 
does not use alternate returns. Similarly, absoft compiler is
annoyingly picky about where data statements can appear ( having
to change several hundred routines to fix this was also a pain).

Dave.
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From: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org (Evstathios Marinos)
Subject: Re: Speed of 3.0 relative to 2.X
Reply-To: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org
Organization: The little black box game department
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 10:37:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.111444.17399@jyu.fi> otto@jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes:
> Quite some time ago, jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov (L J "Jim" Kiraly) wrote...
> [re adding memory to get better speed]
> >Didn't need to yet!  I changed the boot procedure to use 32 instead of 16  
> >buffers and got a major speedup and overall improved performance. (e.g.
> >"CMD~"; during reboot; and then "bsd sdmach -nbuf=32" )  This seems to
> >remain set between restart/reboots although I haven't actually power cylced
> >things yet.
> 
> I just upgraded to NS3.0, and tried this to see if I could pep it up a bit...
> I end up with "init exited" (as it did also with NS2.1), and it obviously
> doesn't boot.
> 
> Monochrome NeXTstation with 32Mbytes of memory.  Ideas, anyone?

I didn't had any problems to increase the mach buffers. The correct syntax is
bsd- nbu=128 e.g.

The best is to reserve about 5 % of your memory for mach buffers. I have a  
Monochrome NeXTstation with 20 MB RAM. So I adjusted the buffers to 128 (8KB *  
128 = 1MB) and I've got a better performance.
When you set the buffers to values > 255 you will get problems.

To make these changes permanent set change the boot command in the NMI with the 
'p' command.

boot: sd	? sd- nbu=128

That will work.
-- 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Marinos EDV - Consulting    | Fax   :  +49 721 37 71 79
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From: nijenhui@nex001 (Wim Nijenhuis)
Subject: Phone Kit question. 
Followup-To: R.W.Nijenhuis@research.ptt.nl
Organization: PTT Research
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:41:01 GMT

Hello,

I would like to use the Phone Kit as it is provided with NS3.0.
According to me it must be very easy to build a voice-response
application. I don't use ISDN.

The application should be able to play voice messages to the phone
and recognize the tone on the phone line when the user presses
a button on his phone.

My questions are:

 - Can I buy objects which handle the recognition of tones whithout
   expensive hardware? I don't want to buy the Hayes ISDN System 
   Adapter because I only use ordinary telephone lines.

 - Did anyone see applications like MessageCenter (a Developer Example)?
   I would like to have more examples of how to use the Phone Kit.


Any information related to this subject would be very welcome. Maybe some
are interested in a discussion about the Phone Kit. You're welcome!

Greetings,

Wim Nijenhuis

e-mail: R.W.Nijenhuis@research.ptt.nl
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From: peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch)
Subject: Re: Phone Kit question. 
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:10:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.084101.14725@spider.research.ptt.nl> nijenhui@nex001  
(Wim Nijenhuis) writes:
> My questions are:
> 
>  - Can I buy objects which handle the recognition of tones whithout
>    expensive hardware? I don't want to buy the Hayes ISDN System 
>    Adapter because I only use ordinary telephone lines.

No, you do need the Hayes eXTender to interface to the standard phone line  
(POTS - Plain Old Telephone Service) as well as ISDN.   It has two plugs.

>  - Did anyone see applications like MessageCenter (a Developer Example)?
>    I would like to have more examples of how to use the Phone Kit.

The PhoneKit does decode the tones on a POTS line and sends the proper  
messages to the NXPhoneCall instance.  There are some problems with some  
of the notification messages though that may cause some problems.  I've  
researched voice calls quite extensively on POTS and have only tried it on  
ISDN twice.  I'll completely research the ISDN handling of voice calls  
after the holidays -- the times are busy now...

The first requirement for programming with the PhoneKit though is a  
network interface (see first question).  Once you have this I have a pile  
of code......

> 
..
> Wim Nijenhuis
> 
> e-mail: R.W.Nijenhuis@research.ptt.nl

I can only really speak for the US/North America situation.  I believe the  
hardware will work on the European phone network, but I have no experience  
in that area.  (This discussion may best be continued in c.s.n.programmer)

peter
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From: BrianW@SoundS.WA.com (Brian Willoughby)
Subject: Re: How do you download using  (XYZ)MODEM protocol?
Reply-To: BrianW@SoundS.WA.com
Organization: Sound Consulting, Bellevue, WA, USA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 10:22:32 GMT

Robert Lutwak writes
| I compiled the zmodem package from sonata, but I can't figure
| out how to combine these command-line utilities with kermit.
| Should I be using tip?  How?

When sending a file from a remote machine to the NeXT, use tip and type:
	sz file
once you have logged on successfully to the remote machine.  Then execute the  
tip command "~$" and at the Local Command? prompt type:
	rz -1

The -1 parameter allows zmodem to work through tip, so you'll need to get the  
version of zmodem for the NeXT which supports this option.  There were two  
different version of zmodem when I started using the NeXT, but only one works  
with tip.  Just type:
	rz -h
and you should see the following:

rz 1.26 08-21-87 for V7/BSD by Chuck Forsberg
Usage:  rz [-1abeuv]            (ZMODEM Batch)
or      rb [-1abuv]             (YMODEM Batch)
or      rx [-1abcv] file        (XMODEM or XMODEM-1k)
          -1 For cu(1): Use fd 1 for input
          -a ASCII transfer (strip CR)
          -b Binary transfer for all files
          -c Use 16 bit CRC     (XMODEM)
          -e Ignore control characters  (ZMODEM)
          -v Verbose more v's give more info
-- 
Brian Willoughby	Software Design Engineer, BSEE NCSU
BrianW@SoundS.WA.com	Sound Consulting and Signal Processing Software
NeXTmail welcome	- NO EMAIL SOLICITATION without prior permission
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From: ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu
Subject: Re: getting started with TeX
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:55:10 GMT
Reply-To: ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Dec21.194153.15080@news.acns.nwu.edu>  
tcarr@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Thomas Carr) writes:
>I wonder if someone might tell me how to get started using LaTeX. I don't
> want to know how to write a document but, rather, what software do I  
need?
> I don't have the extended release so I don't have TeX on my system.  In  
the
> recent thread about word processors (or lack thereof) it was mentioned  
that
> there are some nice "viewers."  Anyway, what apps do I need to get hold  
of?
> Thomas W. Carr               
> Northwestern Univ., Engineering Sciences & Applied Mathematics
> tcarr@nwu.edu

Well, I think that you will need all the files listed in the NeXTTeX
package, which (may) be in /NextLibrary/Receipts but it may not be there.
You will need all the files in the following directorys to get TeX running
right on the NeXT:

/NextDeveloper/Demos/TeXview.app/*
/NextLibrary/Fonts/TeXFonts/*
/NextLibrary/TeX/*
as well as the following files:
/usr/bin/MakeTeXPK
/usr/bin/afm2tfm
/usr/bin/bibtex
/usr/bin/dvips
/usr/bin/dvitype
/usr/bin/gftodvi
/usr/bin/gftopk
/usr/bin/gftype
/usr/bin/inimf
/usr/bin/initex
/usr/bin/mft
/usr/bin/pktogf
/usr/bin/pktype
/usr/bin/pltotf
/usr/bin/tangle
/usr/bin/tftopl
/usr/bin/vftovp
/usr/bin/virmf
/usr/bin/virtex
/usr/bin/vptovf
/usr/bin/weave
/usr/tex/ntman.dvi

As for viewers, the TeXView.app is a *GREAT* viewer for .dvi files,
as this is what it is intended to do.
For editing and rendering, I thik that the absolute best app is TeXmenu
from Harald Schlangmann (schlangm@informatik.uni-muenchen.de)...
it is available on sonata in the /pub/next/submissions... IT IS NOT
FREE!!  Althought it is *REALLY* inexpensive ($20 student) and is 
a really great app.  I would (as soon as you get the affore mentioned
files) get this...  I think that the versions before 3.0 of the TeXmenu
app are free, but I know that 3.0 is not.  anyway, it is a great app,
and the only thing crippling about it before you register is this
"annoyance panel" (which really does get annoying, so REGISTER!)


good luck,

-nate sammons
 ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu
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From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: Cancelling a print -- HOW??
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:26:23 GMT

bill@leeweyr.sccsi.com (Bill Lee) writes:
> >lones@lones.mit.edu (Lones A. Smith) writes:
> >>Suppose I send something to the printer (say, from TeXView). Then I  
> >>realize it was a huge blunder. How can I cancel the print?
> 
> How about lprm from the command line in a terminal window?

That will work, but you could also just use PrintManager.app in the  
/NextApps directory instead.  You ask for the queue for a printer, and then  
you can select a job in the queue and delete it.

--
Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
From: paschman@cpp.ob.open.de (Uwe Paschmann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Software for Music Publishing
Date: 26 Dec 1992 10:51:15 GMT
Organization: Wofuer Organisation
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.cpp.ob.open.de

Hi,

we want to publish an new songbook in Germany and looking
for a software to do this easy as possible. 

In art of WYSIWIG we want to see simultaneous lines of notes
and songtext. And if we can generate the music notes with an
YAMAHA-Keyboard with Midi-Interface.... super!

Is there any product we can use? Who can help us?

Uwe
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Get one more free dock entry under 3.0
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 10:22:27 GMT

In article <2B3667A2.669A@deneva.sdd.trw.com>
kieffer@spf.trw.com (Robert Kieffer) writes:

>In article <1h5hjlINNjho@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu  
>(Izumi Ohzawa) writes:
 
>> You don't have to go through all this gymnastics to move the
>> Recycler icon.  You can either Command-drag or Alt-drag the icon
>> from dock to lewer-left and release it (Can't remember exactly which).
>> From next login on, it will always appear at the new location.
 
Command-drag works.  I hadn't realized what it habit it was to drag
icons down to the lower right corner until I moved to the recycler
to the other corner, but I'm trying it out anyway.

>Was this documented anywhere?

>..We really need a new newsgroup: "c.s.n.holy.smokes.batman"
>
>or "c.s.n.it.just.works.for.steve"

Really!

-- 
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[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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From: lones@lones.mit.edu (Lones A. Smith)
Subject: Re: HOW GET FILES TO MAC?
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:47:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.034308.25742@wam.umd.edu> gaia@wam.umd.edu (L.  
Anathea Brooks) writes:
> I want to work on files on my Next and then transfer them 
> to my Mac because there I have apps to do linguistic 
> analysis unavailable on the Next.
> 
> I have tried saving as text in WriteNow, and placing text 
> file on Mac disk mounted on Next. The Mac won't read the 
> file. 
> 
> I do have DOS capability on the Mac. Also a bunch of 
> DataViz translators.
> 
> What is the way to do this? It's just simple text!!
> 
> thanks
> 
> Robert de Lucca

I assume you are saving in Mac format on the NeXT. The following corrects  
just for line breaks and works for my TeXing purposes.

Put 
	alias mac2unix  "tr '\015' '\012'"
	alias unix2mac  "tr '\012' '\015'"

in your .cshrc file. Then use the command
mac2unix <macfilename> unixfilename
and the obvious reverse direction.  Then when in Writenow, open the file  
as text only, but save as text only with line breaks.  I think that's it.

--
Lones A. Smith
Department of Economics
MIT E52-252C
Cambridge MA 02139
v-mail: (617) 253-0914
e-mail: lones@lones.mit.edu  (NeXT mail or the garden variety stuff)
From: kieffer@spf.trw.com (Robert Kieffer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Get one more free dock entry under 3.0
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:56:01 GMT
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA

In article <1h5hjlINNjho@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu  
(Izumi Ohzawa) writes:
> 
> You don't have to go through all this gymnastics to move the
> Recycler icon.  You can either Command-drag or Alt-drag the icon
> from dock to lewer-left and release it (Can't remember exactly which).
> From next login on, it will always appear at the new location.
> 

Was this documented anywhere?

..We really need a new newsgroup: "c.s.n.holy.smokes.batman"

or "c.s.n.it.just.works.for.steve"

Robert Kieffer
kieffer@spf.trw.com
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From: kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kluge daniel)
Subject: tbl, troff, ptroff & Co.
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:47:48 GMT

I just played around with ptroff, for having a Man Page, which is
suitable for printing.
My First problem was the following:
When I run a man-page through tbl, it exited with 'bus error'.
After playing a little bit with the File, I found the solution, the
NeXT-tbl doesn't accept things like this:
l l
- -
l l
First_Title Second_Title
fist second

although the following just produced some funny output, and an error:
l l
- 
l l
( Input: line xx: Data ignored on table line 2
( First_Title Second_Title
( ___________ second

Ok, ok i know, if you Place an undersocre in the line preeceding 'first'
you will get it, BUT I don't like it, to edit every 100k man-page that
comes from the net, so I'd appreciate, if 'tbl' would work as intended.

After that, I moved some ManPages through ptroff, and tryed, to reformat
them from Letter to A4, without success,
Neither
	ptroff -t -l 297mm
nor
	ptroff -t -s A4
did something useable, both produced the same, it looked like an A4 page
seen through a Frame of Letter-Size: the top of The Page had been cut,
and the next page already showed up at the bottom.
To make things worse, if you want to reformat it with 'psnup', it won't
come out of 'psnup' as A4 as well, so, the Pages get gut on the end,
because someone thinks, that the Page is some .5in shorter than it
acutally is.

I'd appreciate any suggestions, comments to those problems (tbl & ptroff
with non-Letter formating)

- daniel
--
Daniel G. Kluge @ Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zuerich
E-Mail              : kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (NeXT-Mail welcome)
study-related stuff : dankluge@iiic.ethz.ch
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From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks)
Subject: HOW GET FILES TO MAC?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:43:08 GMT

I want to work on files on my Next and then transfer them 
to my Mac because there I have apps to do linguistic 
analysis unavailable on the Next.

I have tried saving as text in WriteNow, and placing text 
file on Mac disk mounted on Next. The Mac won't read the 
file. 

I do have DOS capability on the Mac. Also a bunch of 
DataViz translators.

What is the way to do this? It's just simple text!!

thanks

Robert de Lucca
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: kermit 5A 188
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:15:40 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD

Has anyone else gotten this on the NeXT?  (I'm pretty sure Mark Adler said he
did a while ago?)

It compiles without errors on NS 3.0, but it does some odd things.  One, the
lock file in /usr/spool/uucp/LCK doesn't always get deleted.  Next time
kermit's run it says 'removing stale lock file' but do all apps (i.e. UUCP)
do this?

Two, what's wrong with this script:

set line /dev/cufa
set baud 38400
out ats0=1 [newline]
in 3 OK
quit

(the syntax may be off, I'm doing this from memory, but the commands are
basically right)

All I want it to do is turn autoanswer on automatically.  It worked with an
older version of kermit (182? 180?) and NeXTstep 2.1, but with the current
setup (the older kermit does not work in 3.0 either) it just hangs at the
'quit' statement.  The ats0=1 went in there, because if I go into kermit and
hit return, the autoanswer status comes up.

Any clues?
------
Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted)
------
Yesterday I was a dog.  Today I'm a dog.  Tomorrow I'll probably still
be a dog. Sigh!  There's so little hope for advancement.
		-- Snoopy

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From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro)
Subject: Re: Scene for 3.0 (Re: Adobe and .eps file ending)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 01:39:14 GMT

In <C00n0s.3sE@sounds.wa.com> BrianW@SoundS.WA.com (Brian Willoughby) writes:

>Tom Marchioro writes
>| has anyone fixed Scene (as someone was kind enough to do for Icon) so it
>| works under 3.0?

>Follow the instructions for Icon.app - the method works for Scene as well, and  
>since you already have the files in /2.1/shlib, the procedure is even shorter.

True enough!  And Karl Kraft even wrote a nice little app to automate this
for you (thanks a bunch Karl! :) but it also turns out that the basic things
I wanted Scene for (to make it the default for .eps files, to print those
same files, including hte "center" and "scale to fit" features) all seem to
work just fine without the fix.  I can do without the movies (though I miss
gravity), but am glad to have a straightforward EPS viewer/printer which
doesn't choke on every little non-standard file (including those made by
modifying .ps files with BBFig) the way Preview does.

So.... if all you want from Scene is the basics then just copy it from a 
2.1 system.  If you want the fancy features use the Icon fix or contact
Karl (be aware that his "fix" means adding roughly 2 Mb to your system, 
since you have to include the old shared libraries).  

Will report if I encounter any untoward behavior in Scene, but it's been 
fine for the last couple weeks.

Tom
From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Mike Ferris' Risk.app
Date: 3 Jan 93 06:07:14 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


> Anybody else out there have Mike Ferris' excellent Risk.app and spend
> as much time with it as I do?  :~)  I'd be interested in an exchange
> of computer players with anybody who's written them.

I downloaded the pre-release version 0.95, and was waiting for 1.0 to come  
out.  I looked again, and all I could find was 0.95 on sonata.  This  
version is very slow (compared to the mac version that ran on my macintosh  
SE which is at least 25 times slower than my NeXTStation Turbo...)  It  
also had only 1 computer player... (it had 2, but the other one just sat  
there and never moved)  And this guy is very easy to beat.

I think the interface is really nice, and look forward to its completion.

Michael Glenn
fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (NeXTMail welcome)
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Cancelling a print -- HOW??
Date: 23 Dec 92 04:29:52 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

the simplest and fastest way to cancel a print request is to use
the lprm command from the command line.  no need to add any arguments
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