From: kcochran@isis.cs.du.edu (Keith A. Cochran)
Subject: Re: Kathi, please be careful
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In article <1992Apr14.151547.28644@cs.dal.ca> franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:
>In <1992Apr14.122104.24950@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr14.020335.28843@cs.dal.ca> franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:
>>> In <1992Apr13.201437.2232@cco.caltech.edu> anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje) writes:
>>> 
>>> >In article <1992Apr12.203855.28178@cs.dal.ca> franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:
>>> >>In <1992Apr12.190500.918@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@isis.cs.du.edu (Keith A. Cochran) writes:
>>> >>>In article <1992Apr12.165452.17782@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis) writes:
>>> >>>>In a previous article, gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga) says:
>
>>You remember?  Sounds like you were there.
>  I guess I have to have been there to be any sort of authority huh?

No, but it would help if you actually had a clue as to what happened, and why.

>Hmmm, I guess there are more doubting Thomases in this world than
>I would like to acknowledge...
>
>>Now, document this claim of "thousands and thousands."  I know
>>of no text that supports such a claim.  Furthermore, you seem,
>>from your statements, to be extremely ignorant of the Spanish
>>conquest of Native Americans.
>   How silly of you. The deaths of the missionaries is well known
>and factual. The men that died in the line of religiou sacrificie was

In that case, you shouldn't have ANY problem documenting the "thousands and
thousands" of people who were killed, now will you?
>not in the name of plunder but enlightenment...

What kind of history book are *YOU* reading?  Oh, yea, your Bible is the only
history book that you need, isn't it?  And it's just so chock-full of people
"enlightening" other people by lying, cheating, and backstabbing...
>
>
>>Frankly, considering the circumstances of the arival of
>^^^^^^^^^^ GOOD CHOICE IN WORDS!!!
>
>>You said in a separate posting, Steve, that you are 19 and
>>made some strange boasts about your experience.  You are,
>>in fact, very young and very inexperienced.  I base this
>   Inexperienced in which ways? I wager that my eyes have seen
>more than you are ready to admit. In any case, whether you feel

Ok, Steve.  Please tell us the last you saw somebody waste away for 8 months
with AIDS.  Please tell us when the last time was that you found yourself
pregnant, and had to make the decision to keep the child even though it meant
it might make you lose your job.  Please tell us when the last time you had sex
was.  Please tell us when the last time you saw the aftermath of a gay man who
had been attacked by four men with iron pipes was.  Please enlighten us as to
the last time you felt that stupendeous glow you get from becoming a mother.
Please "enlighten" us as to the last time you took a comparative religions
class.  Please tell us the last time that you had to go hungry so that you
could feed and clothe your children.
>I am inexperienced or not oh great and wise one, I dont' give a
>care. Until I feel I am outclassed by your arguments I wont' really

No, Steve.  You don't care.  You don't care that by outlawing abortion, we 
would have "some women die, but thousands and thousands of live children".
You're just a sick, perverted asshole.
>pay much attention to your little stabs.
>
>>The priests generally behaved as agents of those who would rape
>>and destroy the native culture.  They were not, generally, agents
>>of the Light of the World, or somesuch.  Really, Steve, the
>>horrible levels of corruption, ignorance, hatred, and brutality
>>that accompanied the coming of European culture to North
>>America seem to have escaped you. 
>   I do not agree with you here. the level of corruptibility and plunder
>rests in the majority towards the upper hierarchical levels of 
>the church. The peons or the missionaries who left their homes to
>educate the "blind" were heros in my mind, and nothing less. It's 
>cool that you're telling me they died ofr nothing, and almost 
>deserved it though...

Steve, when you learn to speak English, please tell me what you're trying to
say here, ok?  You don't agree with what?  Only the leaders of the church
can be corrupted and plundered?  If there is a rational thought behind these
sentences, would you be so kind as to "enlighten" me as to what it is?

>
>>Ah, if only Red Cloud were here today.
>   Ah, if only Jesus could visit the earth every generation so that
>there weren't so many damn disbelievers... (quoted from some sci-fi
>but I can't attribute the source...)

Thank you very much for elevating one of my spiritual ancestors to the same
level as your hedonistic, murderous, psychotic, schizophrenic, multiple-
personality God.  NOT!
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