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From: gzw1019@dgsc.dla.mil (Clay P. Fogler)
Subject: Re:  Article on guard at the Tomb of the Un
Organization: Defense General Supply Center, Richmond, Va.                  
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:06:28 GMT


From gzw1019@dgsc.dla.mil (Clay P. Fogler)


> From zawr02@hou.amoco.com (Andrew W. Robinson)
> In article 24597@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM, wmartin@STL-06SIMA.ARMY.MIL (Will Martin) writes:
>>Have the guards ever had to break their routine ceremonial duties and
>>actually take action to protect the Tomb or apprehend some vandal or
>>crazy? I would have thought that this would not have been all that
>>unlikely during the anti-war protests of the 60s.
>>
>>Will
> 
> While visiting Washington with a church youth organization in the early 70's,
> members of our group were loudly reprimanded by the sargent in charge for 
> our "irreverent" additude.  I don't know if this qualifies as breaking routine.
> In recalling the incident, the sargent seemed quite prepared to handle it.  We 
> were about 13 or 14 at the time.
> 
> Andrew Robinson
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable creature, since
> it enables one to find or make a reason for everything one has
> a mind to do. - Benjamin Franklin

  Our Usenet feed is haphazard so forgive me if I repeat a post.  Also please
Email any responses to ensure receipt.

  Andrew may have been there on the same day I was.  My school history class
has stopped by on our way back from DC (headed to Wmbg., VA) and the class
jerk decided to act like himself.  While the guard was on the other side of 
the Tomb, jerko jumped the rope and approached the Tomb for a closer look.
Well, the guard had just finished his turns on that side and appeared from the
far side of the Tomb before Jerko could get to the Tomb.  The guard whirled
around, bringing his rifle to a ready position, and challenged Jerko with a
simple authoratative phrase. [If the phrase is standard and anybody out there
knows it, please email it to me]  The guard said something to the effect of,
"You have entered a restricted area, state your authority or leave the area".

  Jerko, like any 13/14 year old jerk, froze at this point and turned 18 shades
of pale white, pale grey and pale death.  After a brief moment, the guard
restated his challenge (although I think he rephrased it too).  Jerko then
began a shaky but successful backward retreat across the rope.  The guard
paused for a moment, re-shouldered his rifle, paused and then finished his
walk.  I still wonder if the whole episode, including his pauses added up to
21 seconds, what the exact wording to the phrases was, and has Jerko survived
to this day despite his stupidity.  The whole thing was smooth and commanding.
Made it look rehearsed in fact.  Also made for quite a story the next day in
school.


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From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: depleted uranium
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:39:27 GMT


From henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)

>From arw4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Aaron R Wininger)
>Question:what are the advantages to using depleted uranium in ammunition? 

It is extremely dense, much denser than lead.  That's the big one.  An
important secondary issue in some applications is that finely-divided
uranium is pyrophoric, igniting on contact with air, which gives a
useful incendiary effect after penetration.

Its nuclear properties are entirely, completely, utterly irrelevant.
DU hardly has any nuclear activity worth mentioning.

>How long until succesfully destroyed targets can be scrapped or cannibalized?

See above comment on nuclear properties.  No time delay is necessary.
Just as well, too -- U238's half-life is billions of years.
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From: rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)
Newsgroups: sci.military
Subject: Did I say Grenada? Panama would work, too!
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:42:40 GMT
Organization: US WEST Communications, Inc. -- Denver, CO


From rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)

This is a follow-up to my request for information about the HUMVEE in combat.
In the first post I asked about Grenada, but after reflection I though that I
would be equally interested in HUMVEEs deployed in Panama, as well. Mostly, I
need photos of vehicles in action. I have an abundance of detail photos for the
modeling aspect of this project. What I need is enough information to ensure
that I select unit markings that accurately represent a vehicle used in action.

Randy
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From: Mike.Hoffmann@sniap.mchp.sni.de (Mike Hoffmann)
Subject: Re: Altered history of warfare
Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG, AP 712
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:57:59 GMT


From Mike.Hoffmann@sniap.mchp.sni.de (Mike Hoffmann)

In article <1992Jul23.184119.19883@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
>Can someone post what the Scots Greys actually did at Waterloo? Some
>wargaming friend told me that what actually happened was they charged
>the French, then lost control and kept going. When this happens you 
>have effectively lost the unit until they can rally and reorganize. 
>The Scots Greys were supposedly a Dragoons regiment that wore strange 
>uniforms. In the movie "Waterloo" they were slaughtered by Napoleon's 
>lancers. 

A book about horses, with a chapter about horse warfare (the only one I recall
right now here at work) says that they indeed got out of control - on purpose.
The riders removed the bits (for non-equestrians: the metal bar in the mouth)
thus effectively losing the means to control the horses (I wont get into a
discussion of why this is so or if there were other means to control them -
unless we move to rec.equestrian).

It says they were slaughtered but that they inflicted equal losses to the
enemy. Napoleon was said of cursing <something french>, like "those damn
Scots Greys". So it seems that he importance of their attack was to keep 
the French busy long enough until Bluecher finally arrived.

Mike
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From: sun330!ur-guh.com!smith@uunet.UU.NET (Russ Smith)
Subject: Re: Why execute spies?
Organization: Ur-Guh Complex Inc.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 18:16:49 GMT


From sun330!ur-guh.com!smith@uunet.UU.NET (Russ Smith)

The execution of one's own citizens for spying and supplying
information to the enemy (treason) is standard stuff; such episodes
were not the subject of my initial query. My query had to do with
enemy soldier/citizens who were caught spying, either in civilian
dress, "other side" dress, or even dressed in their own uniforms
but not in the "appropriate" location.

The "best" answer to that initial query, "Why execute spies?", so far
received was also in the message to which -this- message is in
reply:

	'However, it was decided at the highest level that these
         "spies" would be executed to persuade German soldiers that
         it was not a good idea to wear US uniform.'

In other words, no REALLY good reason other than as another angle
to psychological warfare.

Ah, yes, the logic of war...



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From:     Eugene Heiss (GWD) <heiss@brl.mil>
Subject:  M16A1 ammunition vs M16A2 ammunition
Organization: NCR Corporation - Law Department
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:07:15 GMT


From     Eugene Heiss (GWD) <heiss@brl.mil>

>From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
<If you have been reading this news group and rec.guns you will
<probably be aware of the discussions on this. The M16A2 and the
<M248 SAW use a heavier bullet with a heavier charge, while cartridge
<dimensions are the same performance is not, the gases generated in
<the heavy ball exceed the normal 5.56 round and over a period of
<time will damage the AR15/M-16A1. 
This is not true.  The M855 Ball cartridge was designed to be compatible
with the M16A1 Rifle.  The pressure vs time curves are the same for the
M855 SAW cartridge and the M193 M16A1 cartridge.  The internal components
of the M16A1 were not changed in the conversion to the M16A2.  The gas system
of the M16A1 is the same as the M16A2.  In the Sierra Bullets Reloading
Manual, the maximum advisable loading for their 55 grain bullets (same
weight as the M193 projectile) would give a velocity of 3200 fps while 
that for a 63 grain bullet (the M855 bullet weighs 62 grains) is 3100 fps.
These velocities are the same as those obtained by the M16A1 and the M16A2,
respectively.  Because of legal problems, there is no way that Sierra would
list loads that would damage a commerial version of the M16.  In fact, their
testing was done with the AR15 which was the original M16.       

<While I have not personally fired
<the older round in the saw I would think that it would be suceceptable
<to jams in low speed.
Why?

< I don't for sure know if there is any danger
<in mixing ammo, an armourer from 10th mountain said "don't" and that
<I turn in my A1 and draw one of their A2's if I wanted to live fire
<with their ammo so that was good enough for me, it might be different 
<if the weapon had a variable gas port like all the others in the 
<world then you could fire anything. Of course we Americans like
<to redesign the wheel over and over again
There is no problem in mixing ammunition as far as reliability is concerned.
You will probably not hit as well shooting the M855 in the M16A1 than if you
used the M193.  There will be no discernable difference between the two 
cartridges in the M16A2.



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From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Surrender is Risky Business (was Re: Why execute spies?)
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:03:37 GMT


From henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)

>From pshyvers@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Peter Shyvers)
>There seems to be a military tradition of respecting captured combatants,
>either (a) because the captors would like a similar extension of courtesies
>should the tables be turned, and/or (b) because the treatment of captives
>(at least in Western tradition) seems rooted in the chivalric tradition...

Actually, there is a much simpler and more pragmatic reason:  it is usually
cheaper in time, resources, and lives to accept an enemy soldier's surrender
than to kill him.  It is very much in your best interests to make surrender
relatively appealing to your enemy, and treating POWs decently is a crucial
part of that.

Note the word "usually".  Surrendering to a small unit which is trying to
move fast is a bad idea, because the cost to them of guarding a prisoner is
potentially very high.
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There is nothing wrong with making      | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
mistakes, but... make *new* ones. -D.Sim|  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry

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From: "S.K. Whiteman" <WHITEMAN%IPFWVM.bitnet@UICVM.UIC.EDU>
Subject:      B-52 question
Organization: NCR Corporation - Law Department
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:24:42 GMT


From "S.K. Whiteman" <WHITEMAN%IPFWVM.bitnet@UICVM.UIC.EDU>

>From van-bc!mdavcr.mda.ca!faubert@uunet.UU.NET (David M. Faubert) writes:
>I was reading this book about bombers which said something along the lines:
>"A B52 taking off under full water injection." It's probably something simple,
>but the book did not elaborate. At any rate, someone please indulge my
>curiosity as to what this means. Any extra info about B52 engines would be
>interesting too.

The July 1992 issue of Air International has an article by Bob McIntyre
detailing a B-52 training mission, page 15. Concerning engines:

"The B-52G is powered by eight Pratt & Whitney J57-P-43WB engines
(or J57-F-43WB if licence-built by the Ford Motor Co) producing
11,200lb thrust each dry, or 13,759lb using water injection."

He goes on to say the max T/O weight is 488,000lbs and that
it is permissible to load to 495,000lbs, the extra 7,000lbs is
the fuel and water that is used during T/O... Also that the
water injection is not required at weights below 360,000lbs.
The B-52G carries 10,000lbs of water and that there are 4 water
pumps in the tank that feed each of the four two engine pods..
Water injection lasts about 110 seconds.

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Newsgroups: sci.military
From: kmwheeler@ualr.edu
Subject: Re: Tracers
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:46:04 GMT


From kmwheeler@ualr.edu

> 
> I used to wonder why anyone would have 5.56mm tracers, since there
> was no heavy machine gun that would use them. I'd think the average 
> infantryman wouldn't want tracers in their magazine. 
> 


Maybe not the average infantryman, but a squad leader could use a rifle
with tracers to indicate to his men where to concentrate fire on critical 
targets, such as machine-gun positions.


K. Wheeler




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From: megazone@wpi.WPI.EDU (MEGAZONE 23)
Subject: Re: B52 Question
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 13:22:37 GMT


From megazone@wpi.WPI.EDU (MEGAZONE 23)

In article <1992Jul17.192501.29673@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> van-bc!mdavcr.mda.ca!faubert@uunet.UU.NET (David M. Faubert) writes:
>I was reading this book about bombers which said something along the lines:
>"A B52 taking off under full water injection." It's probably something simple,
>but the book did not elaborate. At any rate, someone please indulge my
>curiosity as to what this means. Any extra info about B52 engines would be
>interesting too.

Water injection involves injecting water into the incoming air, the water
evaporates thereby cooling the air making it denser. The denser air allows 
the engine to burn more fuel (more oxygen) and therefore produce more thrust.
Several military (non-afterburning) jets used this system as well as several
early airliners.

Unfortunately I'm in NY and all my books are in my college apt. in MA. I have
an early copy of Pratt's The Aircraft Gas Turbine Engine and Its Operation
which has lots of details. As well as books on various aircraft, such as the 
BUFF.

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From: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu (Phoenix)
Subject: Heli Taxi
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 13:22:52 GMT


From twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu (Phoenix)

Excuse me to post another one, but, how does a chopper taxi?
In airplane you got a Nose-Sterring-System, don't belive

they have one in chopper.  So, say if a chopper is in the hangar,
how do they move it out?  Tow it?  If there's a way to
taxi a chopper, how do you do it?  Is it safe?

Reply by mail would be greatly appreiated, thanks!
				Ming

[ mod note --  I've had some helo flight instruction, as well as being an
airport bum.  For helos with skids, there are 2 methods -- land the helo on
a small trailer (a local TV station does this with their Jet Ranger).  Then
pull the helo out of the hanger while it's on the trailer (or put it in).
Or, small wheels can be attached to the skids for ground handling (I've
flown a R-22B like this).

For taxiing, on helos with skids, an air taxi is in order.  Pick it up 5 or
10 feet, and air taxi to where you want to go.

For helos with wheels, they can taxi just like airplanes 

-- Steve ]
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From: Steve_Grant@kcbbs.gen.nz (Steve Grant)
Subject: Operation Desert Storm Surplus Clothing
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 18:16:43 GMT


From Steve_Grant@kcbbs.gen.nz (Steve Grant)

Does any one know where one can get desert storm type camo clothes, 
ie pants and shirts? All suggestions appreciated - Email Steve_Grant@kcbbs.gen
.nz
Thanks in advance

Steve
From: CLFPAO@nctamslant.navy.mil (CINCLANTFLT PAO)
Newsgroups: sci.military
Subject: Navy News Service Headlines - 24 Jul 92
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:01:36 GMT
Organization: NCR Corporation - Law Department


From "CINCLANTFLT PAO" <CLFPAO@nctamslant.navy.mil>

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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Newsgroups: sci.military
Subject: Re: Tracers
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:08:19 GMT
Organization: Indiana University


From ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)

In article <1992Jul26.181003.28502@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:

>	The material is depleted uranium, one of the densent metals known.
>It is _not_ radioactive to any extent, despite what some sailors might
>tell the new seaman loading the gun in a fit of mislead humor.

I'd be surprised indeed if DU wasn't radioactive, but my guess is
that the DU forms a core within a lead projectile, with the usual 
gilding metal/soft iron/whatever jacket, and possibly plastic ro-
tating bands like on the A-10's 30mm cannon. The lead would form a 
radiation shield. 





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From: jfriday@ada.stat.uga.edu (Paul Stacy)
Newsgroups: sci.military
Subject: Re: B52 Question
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:35:37 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia Statistics Department


From jfriday@ada.stat.uga.edu (Paul Stacy)


A book I have on the B-52 talk about the water injection as a thrust
booster for the engines.

The -H model doesn't use it because its turbofan engines generate more
power than needed for takeoff (I recall it saying that there is a
"limiter" on the hand trottle controller to keep the pilot from moving
the levers too far, generating too much thrust.)




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