From: kcochran@isis.cs.du.edu (Keith A. Cochran)
Subject: "Inevitable Stages Of Life" (Was: March in D.C.)
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In article <1992Apr12.171710.20635@cs.dal.ca> franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin) writes:
>In <1992Apr12.163843.17077@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis) writes:
>
>
>>In a previous article, gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga) says:
>
>>>Certainly you couldn't be trying to tell us that you think a fetus is a
>>>child?  That doesn't fit any dictionary definition I've ever seen.
>
>>Why don't you tell that to the woman who just had a miscarriage.
>>I'm REAL sure she'll agree with you...
>
>A great point Matt... basically we argue over the status of the fetus here

(1)No, it's not a great point.  Ask my sister.
(2)You've ^never^ argued anything here, Steve.  All you've done is truth-by-
   blatant-my-bible-tells-me-so assertion.

>but the point has come out. A fetus/inanimate_lump_of_cells (?) has no
>value because the mother gives it none. A mother who loses her unborn
>baby to a miscarriage feels she has lost a CHILD. A woman who has an

She doesn't necessarily feel she has lost a child, Placenta-Brain.

>abortion has lost a NUISANCE. The woman who chooses the abortion is a victim

No, she hasn't.  As you would know if you would pull your head out of your ass
and actually talk to a woman who has had an abortion.

>of society herself just like aborted unborn child. Society has implanted in
>her the notions of success and stability, and pregnancy does not fit
>within this definition. Many of us see pregnancy as a pain in the uterus,
                                 ^^

Ah, so you are saying that you see pregnancy as "a pain in the uterus"???
Interesting, especially since you don't HAVE a uterus...

>and not as a gift or an inevitable stage of life. Women must realize that
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Bullshit.  Bullshit.  Bullshit.  Pregnancy is *NOT* an "inevitable stage of
life".  You know, if you keep this up, you too might be quoted in people's
.sigs for making asinine remarks...

>one of their great gifts is their ability to CREATE. We must thank women

And, according to your philosphy, that's all they need to do.  Pump out those
babies.  Pump out those babies.  Pump out those babies.

>for this, and heighten our support and admiration of the mother. It is
>society's fault and it is now society's resonsibility to help all women
>through their pregnancies and beyond. 

Yes, you should.  Heighten your support and admiration of WOMEN to the point
where you realize that they are more than baby factories.  Heighten your
support of WOMEN to the point where you realize that they can actually make
decisions about themselves and their lives without having to be subjected to
your testerone-driven macho-egotism.

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