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From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:13:05 GMT

In article <28AUG199214433233@rigel.tamu.edu> y0z8374@rigel.tamu.edu (ZHANG,  
YUEMIN) writes:
> In article <1992Aug28.152736.66760@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, exl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu  
(Edwin X. Li) writes...
> >In article <l9q4hgINNs00@aludra.usc.edu>, zyou@aludra.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)  
wri
> >tes:
> > 
> >>
> >>   Should Tibet gain independence in the future, Tibet will be similar to
> >>those USSR states. But Tibet IS part  of China up to now, you should not
> >>compare Tibet with those indepdent countries.
> >>
> >>   I am glad to hear that you are not promoting TI.
> >>
> >>
> > 
> >what carl trying to explain to you is that up until the end of last
> >year, the entity called USSR does claim the sovereignty over a number
> >of now independent states. your unable or refusal to comprehend this
> >fact which may well happen in the future is beyond me. please go to
> >a neurologist to check if you have a logic short circuit in your skull.
> > 
> 
> Does USSR still claim the sovereignty over these states?
> Be logical, USSR collapsed first, then 15 republics became indepandent  
states.
> China does not collapse, and cannot see any signal of collapse in near  
future.
> Therefore IT issure is irrelevent to former USSR case.
> If IT depends on China' collapse, Please  be patient.
> yz


USSR collapsed after the three countries gained independence. 

Carl
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:24600 soc.culture.japan:7617 soc.history:7989
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From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: US colonializing (Was: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:28:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.155658.10211@acuson.com> miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman ) writes:
>jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
>
>>miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman ) writes:
>
>>>jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
>
>>>>It was busy at the time snatching colonies off Spain: (Philipines, Cuba, ...)
>
>>>	You realize, do you not, that this will result in a 27-part series on
>>>	the Open-Door policy, the Spanish-American War, and the US Civil
>>>	War?  I'm sorry sirrah, that it must come to this, but you leave
>>>	me no choice!   :-)
>
>>What a good thing I didn't add "..and annexing independant neighbours, like Hawaii."
>
>	In 1898, Teddy Roosevelt (Secretary of the Navy) was afraid that Japan
>	was going to annex Hawaii which would have put the US on the defensive
>	in the Pacific, with virtually no potential coaling stations between
>	California and Hawaii.  Roosevelt actually saw a war coming with Germany
>	before Japan, but he believed, as did most people at the time, that with
>	industrial production outstipping consumption, that every industrialized
>	nation needed industrially undeveloped markets, though not necessarily
>	as part of an empire.  The US could not rely on the peaceful intentions
>	of other powers.
>
>	- Michael Goldman
>
And Hilter attacked neutral Belguim and Holland because they are doorways
for a British-French invasion, after all, Germany could not rely on the
peaceful intentions of Sir Chamberlain.  ;->

>-- 
>"History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have
>exhausted all other alternatives." - Abba Eban
>	Disclaimer:  All views are solely my own & not the views of Acuson.
>	<sun!sono!miklg>  or  [miklg@acuson.com]


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Forward for Mr. Anonymous \(em A corrigendum
Date: 29 Aug 92 08:20:07 GMT
Organization: Boston University


	There's a fairly important corrigendum to Mr. Anonymous's list
	of critical events in the Sino-Korean alliance:

	The fearless Korean patriot who mounted a bombing attack 
	against Hirohito in January 1932 was named Lee Pong-Chang
	(Li3 Feng4-Chang1).   Mr. Anonymous erred when the name
	was given as Chang-Pong (Chang1-Feng4).  The error is probably
	the result of a rapid scan of a horizontally written passage.

	Mao's favorite bodyguard was a guy who called himself Chen 
	Chang1-feng4.  That could have been an additional source of 
	confusion. 

	The Korean newspaper Dong-A-Il-Bo (Dong Ya Ri Bao) ran its headlines 
	mostly vertically.  On January 10, 1932, Dong-A-Il-Bo clearly stated 
	on its front page that Lee Pong-Chang, a native of Seoul, launched 
	the attack in Tokyo.   Having double-checked Dong-A-Il-Bo and verified 
	the patriot's name, I thought I should let you know.
-- 

This is only a trial.
From: cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Testing only
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:12:45 GMT
Distribution: usa

Article 40274 of soc.culture.china:
From: zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin)

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  Top ten most fashionable words:

  10.  you jerk
   9.  you idiot
   8.  you hypercrotic
   7.  dogshit
   6.  bullshit
   5.  what-so-ever shit
   4.  ass
   3.  asshole
   2.  f**k
   

   And now the NO.1 fashionable word in the group of SCC:
  
   you communist running dog!  

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
	You are exactly right to put the ten things in one group!
From: MaoTseDong@red.heaven.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Anonymous Mail
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:15:44 GMT

Comrade C.Q. (S9874194@deimos.ucc.umass.edu) says no one can
"use Mao's name to make joke" and people have to "respect our
rights" to respect Chairman Mao.

Sure.  I do respect the rights of those idiotic Red Guards to
respect one of the most infamous mass murderers in human history.

So, I ask you to exercise your freedom p of speech in this country
to curse those reactionaries by saying this 100000000 times:

      FUCK YOUR CHAIRMAN MAO

If your sick mentality still makes you think you were living in
the police state of Red China, ask your policeman Me Mann@UDenver
to catch and put me in jail.

Just wonder how much he can help you after many times he said that
I was a "middle level hacker" who "knows about port 119 or 25 or
the news transfer protocol."  Remind him that I am just a computer
novice (Lowest level, not a super user definitely), and the log
record at my site still keeps the names of all users who telnet
to those ports to send mail, so everything is "traceable".

Have a good day.
Salute,

Mao
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From: dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Donghai  Huangfu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Date: 23 Aug 92 20:14:20 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Aug21.193800.3343@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> fstawit@icomp01.lerc.nasa.gov (Tawit Chitsomboon) writes:
>In article <9208200440.AA08937@nero.wustl.edu> 
>dickhoff@NERO.WUSTL.EDU writes:
>>
>>...........................
>>From my observation, Chinese people have no mentality to invade other
>>nation,.................
>
>
>I have always been puzzled by the collective behavier of a nation.
>Take Japan as an example. Most Japanese I know are extremely
>polite and courteous people. But as a nation, Japan was
>notorious for her cruelty.
>
>The above argument can, IMO, be applied to just about any nation: USA, 
>England, China, etc.
>
>Let's talk about an unpopular event about the recent and current
>atrocities that China has been and still is imposing onto Tibet.
>
>Despite all the inhumane things imposed upon them by invaders, the Chinese
>and the Korean still have their cultures intact. The Tibetans are not
>that fortunate. Their entire culture is destroyed and there is no
>hope to gain independence soon since few care about such a 
>(materially) deprived, unstrategically-located country like Tibet.
>But I and other fair-minded people (and I believe some fair-minded
>Chinese) do care.
>
>Before China banned foreign reporters into Tibets, I saw a TV documentary
>portraying a line of Tibetan Buddhist monks being herded onto a truck.
>The bystanding Chinese soldiers continually punched and kicked the monks
>as they walked by them. Then, without any seeming provocation,
>, one Chinese soldier approaced a monk and hit the monk's head with
>his rifle's butt. The monk collapsed to the ground, body shaking like
>a clubed fish, before laying still. I was shocked to see such a lively
>(deadly) incident on the TV screen. No wonder the Chinese government
>banned foreign reporters in Tibet.
>
>I have also read in a newspaper somewhere (can't remember which one)
>that the Chinese soldiers often forced Tibetan monks and nuns to
>perform sexual intercourse in public in order to humiliate their
>vows of celibacy.


This paragraph killed all my sympathy and trust on your story. Tell you 
a truth that if you want to get more sympathy, don't tian1 you2 ja1 cu4.




>
>Like I said earlier, I am puzzled at the collective behavior
>of a nation. Most of my Chinese friends, like their Japanese counter-
>parts, are polite and courteous. I hope some fair-minded Chinese
>would sympathize with the Tibetan people and criticize the government
>whenever they have chances to do so.
>
>-Tawit
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Help save planet earth ...Dispose your pride properly.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: A New Fa-Guo-Nan-Cai Theory :-)  Re: A real story
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:19:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.222042.6238@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.214839.18126@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu  
>
>Oh, did you?! Good! So, at least you are claiming that you have a little bit of  
>something respectful.
>
>Carl
Please do not play game with me! 
focus on issue, the original one, or leave along.


Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:24514 soc.culture.taiwan:12739 soc.culture.hongkong:10372
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 1 Sep 1992 20:13:28 CDT
From: <U14540@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Hello from news reader in China
 <9224512.27022@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
 <1992Sep1.034044.17455@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
 <1992Sep1.063755.19057@ucc.su.OZ.AU>

                      (It is near the Taipei zoo.)
Does anyone know if Cheng Chi University in Taipei has acess to this BBS
and if so how to use it?
                                    Thank you for your help.
From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:38:53 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <1992Aug21.202835.5127@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, yeb@egr.msu.edu writes:
> In article <1992Aug21.193108.12903@colorado.edu> xuehua@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Xuehua Lu) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug21.141707.28412@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
> >
> >As a korean, I feel we should thank China for giving us independence.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >

You should realize that the independence of Korea was given by the
late ROC president, Chiang, Kai-Shek. So, Korean people should thank
the ROC government, not the communist Chinese government. Now, look what 
has been done by the South Korean to the ROC?

> >-- 
> >xuehua@cs.colorado.edu
> >Lu, Joshwar
> 
> What? Being a Korean you got name as 'Lu xuehua'? You must also have
> a mainland Chinese father.:-)
-- 
/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
 * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
\* Ter-Yuan Lee                                                              */
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From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: The Future of China (German)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:49:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.162739.29376@linus.mitre.org>, 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes...
>In article <1992Aug27.071118.2918@sinix.UUCP>, shu@sinix.UUCP (Leif
>Schumacher) writes:
>> 
>> For all out there who are interested in China I would like to start a new 
>> discussion on Chinas future. 
>> 
>> First I propose a few points of discussion:
>> 
>> 
>> THe CCP regime will not last forever. It will be followed (sooner or later) 
>> 	by some form of government which is open and democratic.
>> 	This will hapen either peacefully or through a revolution.
>> 
>> China does not have a democratic tradition.
>> 
>> 
>> The result of these points lead to the questions:
>> 
>> 	1) How could this transition happen ?
>> 	2) What type of government will follow ?
>> 	3) How long and when will this transition occur ? 
>> 
>>  -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>  Leif Schumacher				shu.muc@sni-usa.com
>>  SNI AG - STO XS 322				
>>  Otto-Hahn-Ring 6				Tel: (0049) 89-636-43290
>>  W-8000 Muenchen 83				FAX: (0049) 89-636-42833
>>  Germany
>>  -------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>Dear Leif:
> 
First, nobody is saying that CCP can last forever, even according to
the communist doctrine. All the parties and the government will eventually
vanish if you believe Karl Marx. Now the real question is how long it will
last and which one you believe is the real CCP, Mao's or Deng's? Of course
they are not all the same even not too different either. Now how about next
generation? What will the CCP look like, if it is still there, let say
50 years fromtoday? Would that be more opely and democratic? If so, I do
not see any problem for our nation's lack of democratic tradition. We can
all go to a democratic society with Chinese characters under the leader-
ship of the Communist Party with Chinese Character. You got it?
c.q.
From: xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: English Usage (Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton? )
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:47:04 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Physics Dept, State U of New York at Buffalo, Buffalo, NY 14260

/* From the keyboard of tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee) */:
:
:"One people survived instead of two" is not OK either.
:Change that to "one person".
:
When I was in the first grade, I learnt that the unit does not get
changed during add and substraction. For example, 

4 pounds - 3 pounds = 1 pound

However, 

4 people - 3 people = 1 person 

This usage is wrong in both grammar and math. 

-- 
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From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: Cease fire! Save SCC!!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:15:31 GMT

In article <3017@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug26.050146.21692@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu) writes:
>|> 
>|>     Hi, did everybody see what SCC is now, a dangerious
>|> battlefield! Do we need pleading with UN for peacekeeping
>|> troops? Think about it what SCC functions should be. I
>|> guess it should be a bridge to exchange information and
>|> knowledge. Though not for friendship, at least not for
>|> hostile. 
>|>     Dear Mr. Libucha, Mr. Twaint(?), Mr. Dave Mclane and
>|> Mr. Carl or anyother Tibet-Independent supportters or 
>|> Japanese imperial army protecters, why don't you go to
>|> the UN to talk to them or the Chinese government representitives
>|> It's more effective if you could convince them. Or else post
>|> your beliefs to the newsgroup such Indepent.Tibet or 
>|> Japanese-no-guilty.ww2 if available ( maybe you could creat).
>|> Please leave SCC to be a nice place for Chinese or non_Chinese
>|> readers. Otherwise We will shout with "no" polite "get out here!"
>|> 
>|> cqu
>
>What they need to do is to talk/argue/fight/kill things over in 
>talk.politics.china which is for that purpose and not taking scc as
>the killing fields. By the way, it could be something that you cannot change,
>where there are Chinese, there are arguments and fightings for whatever
>somehow trivial reasons.

	In my opinion, I (Mark Libucha) am not discussing politics. I am
discussing whether or not human skins in the Potala are good evidence
that slavery was a part of Tibetan *culture* before 1950. As I mentioned
in a previous posting, those who are linking me with more political issues
like Tibetan Idependence are misrepresenting me.  

	If I feel I need to discuss Tibetan Independence, I will take your
advice and do it talk.politics.china.
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: Re: Protection Bill
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:36:31 GMT

Most of the blood carders are:


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From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: A New Fa-Guo-Nan-Cai Theory :-)  Re: A real story
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:19:32 GMT

In article <BtKLp3.Fr6@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.234727.8644@ulowell.ulowell.edu> 
>cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug25.222406.6965@ulowell.ulowell.edu> 
>>cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>>> ...
>> I am too old to feel flattered for that.
>> ...
>>I do plan to go back to China, and believe it is a good choice for me, myself
>>too. It was carfully thought dicision, not only on personal basis, also on
>>observation the society of States.
>
>What's so hurting that makes you post two responses in 1.5 hours?  Are you
>really too old to survive here? :-)
That is a minor issue! Do not deserve your attention and rest of CSS.
>
>The original message was CLEARLY addressed to some of the overseas CSS
>who are FGNCing and ass-kissing CCP/CG at same time, your original message
                  CCP/CG do not deserve my "aas-kissing", I have not personal
gain or lose to kiss or not kiss CCP/CG.
I I kiss MaiGuoGuiZi, I could have more material gain, but live without
self esteam.
>merely happened to be chosen to start the topic/discussion :-)
>
>It's fine that you plan to go back, there was a Cambridge Ph.D. on SCC who
>announced that he would go back and he did it in a few months in 1991, and
>his return is verifiable - his big name is printed on People's Daily from 
Silly! Are you trying to  start who_go_back faster contest?
It is no shame to go back to China, it will not move any body to go back to
china for the sake of posting on People's Daily.
Do not distract from original issue---a shame, a lousy acheme, .....
>time to time, page 1 or page 3, don't know if you can make yourself 
>verifiable like that Cambridge Ph.D. :-)
>
>Anyway, don't bother to start the mess on which system is better (or your
>"observation"), simply watch the direction of main stream of immigration,
No body will say a word, if you want to become a "banana". Just do not
do it at China's expense.
>people always vote by their feet like yourself!
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Bo Xiong in Chicago
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:54:24 EDT
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Are dirty words dirty?(Re:Top ten words in SCC)

It's fun to know the fact in SCC.That made me say " Ta Ma de" (Damn it)
confortablly as if a long lost friend.

Dirty mind is the dirtiest.

X Xu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: huangx@cs.tulane.edu (Xinyu Huang)
Subject: health insurance
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-10130]: amor
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:17:59 GMT

It's time to buy the health insurance. I have a application form of IFCSS.
The price is $396 per year about $160 cheaper than our school's. But I was
told by some friends that you can't get the money you need when you are
really injured or sick. Is it true? Does anybody have some experience on that
or know something about that? Please send me an email.
My address is huangx@cs.tulane.edu
hanks in advance.

-Huang
From: xiong@fzi.de (Xiong Xun)
Subject: Re: White male/Asian female and Asian male/white female
Reply-To: xiong@fzi.de
Organization: Forschungszentrum Informatik (FZI), Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:15:43 GMT

(According to the today's standard) white male is more masculine 
(comparing with asian male) while the asian female is more feminine
(comparing with white female). 

The above statement holds validly if one exchanges the words "male" 
with "female". You see, the reason is so simple.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ylq@lems22lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen)
Subject: Re: Review of the Republican National Convention
Organization: Laboratory for Engineering Man/Machine Systems
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:04:18 GMT

|> In article <1992Aug22.135529.1@cua.edu> 54yang@cua.edu writes:
|> >
|> >First, the Republicans believe a small government: the government 
|> >should do as little as possible in domestic economy, whereas the 

In 1930s, government created million of jobs for American through spending 
money on building infrastructure like bridges, roads. That spending led the 
way out of the depression.

|> >Democrats believe there needs more governmental regulations for 
|> >the economy.   But common goal: make the economy grow.
|> >

How about about that S&L scandels caused by Ron Reagan's deregulation on 
banking system? It costs $2000/person to bail out that mess. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yuta@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Lao Ya)
Subject: Re: Sakamoto
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 02:38:02 GMT

In article <BtK2q4.FEw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yyg8104@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Question) writes:
>
>What's the Chinese characters for the name " Sakamoto " ? Anyone can help ?
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        +      +       +			+   +   +
        +      + +     +		       +    +    + 
        +      +  +   +                      +      +      + 
    ++++++++  +     +                      + ++++++++++++++++
            +     +   +++                 +         +         +
                                       +            +            +
  
 
Sorry, Dunno how to write characters neat.
Lao Ya / Rochester, NY 
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