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From: steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman)
Subject: Re: 1706 Repeal Debated
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:11:36 GMT

In article <l7gf0mINNik1@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> brada@bardlover.Eng.Sun.COM (Brad Albom) writes:

   I just noticed a news item that said repeal of 1706 (that infamous 
   IRS section) was being debated in the House Ways and Means Committee.  
   Does anyone have additional information ?

This is HR 5011. My rep sent me a copy, which I OCR'd, spell-checked,
and posted to this group a few days ago. If you missed it (and you are
certain it has aged off your news host), I'll send you a copy.

It looks to me like a good bill, so far. I have the legal expert for
the Oregon Computer Consultants' Association looking it over. I have
also sent a copy to my attorney, but he's not really a tax guy, so I
don't expect any advice from him.

If any of you have a good accountant who really understands 1706,
please invest the $40 or $50 it would take to have them look it over.
(I do my own books, and don't have the Code handy.)  I might be
tempted to kick it a few bucks for a good analysis!

I've asked my rep to co-sponsor, if and when it gets out of committee.
I'll keep the group posted on what I discover.
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From: dfavor@logan.tivoli.com (David Favor)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: firm requests comments
Keywords: consulting,1099,401K,referral
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:43:25 GMT

------- consulting firm requests comments

after 10+ years of software development I've started a software consulting
firm, Azure Concepts Incorporated. to better serve my firm's clients and
consultants, I am requesting comments from other software professionals
regarding solutions to problems that reoccur in our industry. the onging
persistance of these problems waste time and hamper the expansion of most
consulting firms. I seek to solve these problems by enlisting the assistance
of those that understand the problems intimately, other software professionals.

------- some persisting problems

there are several areas that have been of interest to me over the years. I
have always had questions in these areas. some of my questions have been...

how important is 1099 income to consultants?

would it be beneficial to provide consultants with assistance incorporating
and running the corporation afterwards, to support 1099 relationships?

would it be of interest to provide some form of tax planning assistance
geared particularly to corporations (1099) and employees (W2) that work
in the software consulting field?

how important is a 401K plan to W2 consultants?

has there ever been a referral compensation program that works? that is, a
program that benefits consultants, the consulting firm and the consulting
firm's sales force.

what persisting problems have other consultants experienced over the years?

------- thanks in advance

I realize that most software professionals stay very busy. I would like to
thank you for your comments ahead of time.



"the point of the journey is not to arrive. anything can happen..." Rush
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: lloyd-ritter@cup.portal.com (Lloyd-Ritter and Associates)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: oracle rdbms/SQL/unix/C/design and development,s bay,recruiter
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:49:55 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ba

location - s.bay                               rate-open
start- asap                                    length-10 mo
skills- Oracle RDBMS/SQL/unix/c/Design and dev.
Any experience with Oracle Financial or Oracle Manufacturing a PLUS
Design and development.


Call JAYA at 415-964-6644        No E-Mail please
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: Marc@Synergytics.Com (Marc Evans)
Subject: Re: firm requests comments
Keywords: consulting,1099,401K,referral
Reply-To: evans@zk3.DEC.COM
Organization: Synergytics
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:46:58 GMT

In article <2214@tivoli.UUCP>, dfavor@logan.tivoli.com (David Favor) writes:
|> has there ever been a referral compensation program that works? that is, a
|> program that benefits consultants, the consulting firm and the consulting
|> firm's sales force.

There are 2 forms of 3 party relationships that I have had success with, and
I believe were of mutual benefit to all parties. Let's start with the terms:

	AGENT:		Person/company who introduces CONSULTANT and CLIENT.
	CLIENT:		Person/company that requires services of CONSULTANT.
	CONSULTANT:	Person/company that provides services to CLIENT.

One form that I have used is that AGENT introduces CONSULTANT to CLIENT for
a fee and then disappears from the picture leaving only CONSULTANT and CLIENT.
The CONSULTANT is responsible for the fee paid to agent, which is paid
reguardless of if the CONSULTANT and CLIENT decide to do business.

Another form is that AGENT introduces CONSULTANT to CLIENT and then collects
a percentage of the money that CONSULTANT bills CLIENT. The key here is that
the CONSULTANT is responsible for the billing and collection and pays AGENT
as oposed to the AGENT performing the billing and collection and paying the
CONSULTANT. This is an important aspect for the CONSULTANT from the 1706
perspective.

The later of the 2 options is probably the more beneficial to all parties.
Additionally, the AGENT benefits from lower overhead, because the need to
provide *float* money (which many do) as well as a simpler accounting
vehicle is provided. However, the contractual aspects could be considered
a bit more difficult, and therefore offset the savings. The real key
though is the relationship of the 3 parties, which is one much more in
line with what the IRS would prefer to see.

- Marc
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV)
Subject: Re: firm requests comments
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:48:14 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Department of Electrical Engineering
Keywords: consulting,1099,401K,referral

In article <1992Jul28.232653.29281@algor2.algorists.com> jeffrey@algor2.algorists.com (Jeffrey Kegler) writes:
>In article <2214@tivoli.UUCP> dfavor@logan.tivoli.com (David Favor) writes:
>>------- consulting firm requests comments
>>
>>how important is 1099 income to consultants?
>
>To me, it's totally important.  I've been consulting independently
>full-time since 1984 and have never accepted work on any other basis.
>To get technical, I own a corporation and am employed by it on a W-2
>basis.			   ^^^^^^^^^^^		

Enquireing minds, of course, wonder why you are excepting 1099's if you are
incorporated?  The 1099 exists solely for individuals, sole proprietors, and
partnerships.  Corporations have no such requirement.

Chuck Harris - WA3UQV
chuck@eng.umd.edu

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From: kevin@aisg.uucp (Kevin Levi Jackson)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.offered
Subject: FL: UNIX/C/X software engineers (Contractor/Recruiter)
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:13:57 GMT
Reply-To: aisg!kevin@ge-dab.ge.com
Organization: Advanced Information Systems Group, Inc.

Advanced Information Systems Group, Inc., AISG, is a professional services
firm addressing the needs of the UNIX community. We offer a generous
benefit package including major medical and profit sharing.  Most positions
are in Florida, but we also have opportunities available in Atlanta,
Washington D.C. and other areas.

We are currently seeking proven professionals with the following credentials:

Software Engineer
   B.S./M.S. E.E./C.S. and 2+ years industry experience
   with 1-2 years experience developing networking 
   applications using X-windows. In depth experience in
   C and UNIX is required.

   Please use subject line in all responses.
 
For fastest consideration, email your resume in ASCII or Postscript form to: 
 
               aisg!kevin@ge-dab.ge.com
 
or mail/fax hardcopy to:
 
                Advanced Information Systems Group, Inc.
                Attn: Personnel
                P.O. Box 10791
                Daytona Beach, FL 32120
                Fax: (904) 255-0187
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From: kevin@aisg.uucp (Kevin Levi Jackson)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.offered
Subject: Recruiter: UNIX/C/RMX III programmers in Central Florida (Contractor)
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:17:43 GMT
Reply-To: aisg!kevin@ge-dab.ge.com
Organization: Advanced Information Systems Group, Inc.

We are currently looking for contractors with proven experience with the
RMX III operating system. The sucessful candidate will possess skills to
design, code, test and integrate applications with system software (i.e. 
device drivers, interrupt service routines, etc.) for a host computer 
system. The development will be implemented in "C", but to aid in 
integration software experience in Fortran is required. The computer 
system consist of a set of Intel 386/486 single board computers utilizing
a MultiBus II backplane for inter-processor communications. The development 
environment and user interface utilize the UNIX operating system while 
the real-time processors utilize the RMX III operating system.

The assignment is expected to start within 6 weeks and last 4-6 months with 
a possible extension. All work will be performed in the central Florida area.  

Please send all resumes via email or Fax, the 
need is immediate.

Resumes may be sent via e-mail to:

               aisg!kevin@ge-dab.ge.com

or fax resumes to 904-255-0187
From: rmac@well.sf.ca.us (Robert J. McIlree)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Re: skills worksheet
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:19:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: well.BrqvwK.1M5
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link

In article <Brqtxr.DBo@world.std.com> jkenton@world.std.com (Jeff Kenton) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.073647.10537@tcsi.com> victor@mephisto.tcs.com (Victor Elkind) writes:
>>I am curious if anyone out there who contracts through a jobshop
>>ever got work through an agency that asked you to fill out a skills
>>worksheet?
>>I feel that a resume should be sufficient for an agent worth his pay
>>to match a prospective job with an applicant.
>
>That has been my reaction to skills worksheets.  They seem to want
>to just check off some boxes and won't bother to read your resume.
>

Almost correct. Modern job-shops use two facets of technology to help them
screen and track contractors:

The first thing they use is the skills worksheet as mentioned above. The
reason is not to read your resume, but to put a skills profile on you in
their PC data base. When a requirement comes in, they search the buzzwords
on the req with the names the buzzwords turn up on the data base.

The real high-tech shops now use imaging technology to scan resumes that
come in. They don't read them anymore unless your name pops up in response
to a requirements search. So, when your paper hits the shop, it is simply
opened, scanned, and tossed away.

On the other hand, if you're going to use job-shops to find work, I would
be far more concerned over rate, term, and other details thatn I would
about filling out a skill set sheet, which takes 3-5 minutes. Trivial, but
it could land you a job...

Bob McIlree
rmac@well.sf.ca.us

P.S. In defense of job-shops, you have to realize that the big ones get
*thousands* of resumes. They get deluged with paper every business day from
those entering contracting and ones updating their resumes. You are deluding
yourself if you think they read each one as it comes in, they physically
can't.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: rmac@well.sf.ca.us (Robert J. McIlree)
Subject: Re: Recruiters, Brokers and Job Shops in this news group
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:41:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.161945.19912@eng.umd.edu> chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV) writes:
>	I've been away from m.j.c for a while, and now that I am back, I have
>noticed a disturbing change.  There is nothing here but advertisements for
>brokers, recruiters and job shops.
>
>	These are companies that are using the uunet/darpa/usenet system
>to directly advertise for business.  I thought that this was against the rules
>of this largely government supported network.  Have the rules changed?  Am I
>now allowed to use this net to advertise for my company's latest electronic
>widgets?  I think not.
>
>	Begone job shops, recruiters, and brokers!  Go out and pay for your
>advertising like everybody else!

Oh, puleeze!!! First, it's obvious that you haven't got a clue as to how the
net really works as opposed to the "rules." Such rules consist of morons like
you who attempt to provide "net-police" services. This ranks second-only to
spelling flames as an irritant to dailing net reading/posting.

Next, HEADHUNTERS/RECRUITERS/SHOPS/VERMIN/etc. HAVE BEEN POSTING TO THE NET
FOR YEARS!!! Yes, years. Every so often, we get a twit such as yourself who
wants to play net-policeperson, and let the entertainment start...

Nothing here but advertisements? Perhaps, since you know it all, your kill
file screens out anything useful. Don't know about you, but there has been a
good percentage ofnon-recruiter related postings here lately. I, for one,
posted some of them.

I would rather see headhunter/recruiter/shop postings here with the hope that
somebody got a JOB from the postings rather than the useless holier-than-thou
drivel you just posted.

Begone, net-policeman! Get a life!

Bob McIlree
rmac@well.sf.ca.us
From: laurad@kenda.mv.com (Laura dos Santos)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Sybase
Distribution: usa  
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 18:08:05 GMT
Organization: KENDA Systems, Inc.

Looking for solid Sybase experience for a variety of positions, to consult for 
Kenda Systems, an international software organization, specializing
in placing quality computer consultants for a wide variety of companies
throughout North America and Europe.  Please call/forward resume for immediate 
attention.       

 Laura dos Santos				Telephone: (603) 898-7884
laurad@kenda.mv.com				Address:   KENDA Systems, Inc.
						           1 Stiles Rd.
						           Salem, NH 03079
From: daniels@elroy (Daniel Schunneman)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Re: skills worksheet
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:26:00 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Even less entertaining than the skills worksheet
(although not as bad as extrapolated fictional
resumes - I've had a few) was one agency I contacted
- to be left unnamed - who not only wanted me to
completely rewrite my resume into their format,
but told me their preferences for my doing so. In
ascending order, these were:

	3. Fill out a quasi-skill sheet sort of
	   form (again, oriented towards mainframes
	   and definitely biased in favor of coding
	   types, despite their stated preference of
	   representing the whole spectrum of project
	   people, support people, etc.) and wait
	   until their data entry person could enter
	   it on their system and format it.

	2. Provide a paper copy of my resume, rewritten
	   and laid out in their format (with their
	   shaded boxes, thick lines, etc.) They said
	   they would prefer it be done in WordPerfect,
	   but if it looked identical they could accept
	   another WP/DTP package.

	1. A diskette (5.25" only) with the WordPerfect
	   file to produce said resume, as described in
	   option #2.

Only after I had done this would they agree to even do a
substantive interview.

After I realized that they were completely serious, I politely
told them that I would provide this when possible. I have not
since found it to be "possible", and have managed (sob) to
survive professionally despite my heart-crushing disappointment.

daniels@dsinet

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From: alanh@cup.portal.com (Alan E Hattman)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.offered,ba.jobs.offered
Subject: ASIC Engineers, SF Bay Area (Broker)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 15:53:38 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

                 MULTIPLE CONTRACT AND PERMANENT OPPORTUNITIES
                           FOR EXPERIENCED ENGINEERS
                            IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA


A minimum of 5 years *directly* related experience is required.  Some
part time opportunities are available.

*   IC Designers - Circuit, Logic, CPU, Datacomm, ASIC, CMOS, VLSI, DSP
*   Sr. Architecture - Chip, Board and System Level
*   Director of IC Technology
*   Manager of IC Technology
*   Firmware Engineers
*   Modem Engineers

For consideration / information contact:

William Santos - Sr. Account Executive
Mini-Systems Associates                      The Right People....
100 Homeland Court, Suite 405                      The First Time...
San Jose, CA 95112                                         Guaranteed!!

Voice:  408-451-0254
Fax:    408-451-0277
Email:  alanh@cup.portal.com  (ASCII format only!) 
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: jmalis@world.std.com (Judee Malis)
Subject: DbVista, Cambridge, MA (broker -1099)
Summary: DbVista, Cambridge, MA (broker - 1099)
Keywords: DbVista
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:51:45 GMT

Two - four month contract available in Cambridge, MA for experienced
DbVista user.  Experience with C++ is a plus.  For more info, please
contact Judee Malis at Prosoft Consulting: 617-489-3055.

Please call between 9AM - 6PM Mon - Friday.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: 0004575791@mcimail.com (Heather Burris)
Subject: insurance
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 22:26 GMT

I am looking for three types of insurance for my computer consulting
business and would appreciate personal recommendations for vendors to call
for quotations:
                                                        
1) Error and Omissions/Professional Liability--for a VAR/consulting
type of business

2) Property Loss insurance for equipment located in a HOME office (because
the business is located in a home, I am having a lot of trouble finding
someone to insure my business equipment).

3) Personal Liability insurance--if I go to someone's office and accidentally
injure someone, or if they come to my site and get injured.

Please send recommendations via email because I cannot access this group.
I will post a summary. Thanks,

Heather Burris
Burris, a Computer Services Companyi
From: lloyd-ritter@cup.portal.com (Lloyd-Ritter and Associates)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: UNIX DEVICE DRIVER/ PRINTER, mid pennin, recrtr
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 16:07:58 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ba

Location of contract: mid penninsula
Estimated start date: 1-2 wks
Estimated length: 2-3 months
Rate: based on experience
Skill reqts: Unix device driver writing, experience with laser printers
Job description: Write driver for Sun OS laser printer connecting
   to Sparc S-bus via a video board

Please call Kathy at 415-964-6644 and fax 415-964-8719. no email please[C
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From: Lance_Charles_Rowan@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.offered
Subject: Air Defense SW/SoCal[recruiter]
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 20:16:13 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

Please contact Ms. Susan Heitman @ Mini-Systems Associates for the following
job opening. She needs 6-10 SW engineers for up to 12 months. The rate i
$35-55/hr DOE. You must have previous exp. designing and developing code
for large scale air defense systems. US citizens only. Motif and X-Windows ex
a big plus. This is a large scale "Air Defense" Mission Planning SW project.
Call Ms. Heitman @ 619-539-7300 immed. for details. Fax resume to 619-488-523
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: cm@nwu.edu (chris michael)
Subject: WANTED: paradox programmer (Chicago)
Followup-To: cm@nwu.edu
Organization: northwestern university, academic computing
Distribution: il
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:33:36 GMT

I'm posting this for a friend who needs a Paradox programmer for a project.
 Please mail reply to me and I'll forward.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Subject: Re: firm requests comments
Keywords: consulting,1099,401K,referral
Reply-To: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Organization: Teknekron Software Systems. Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:04:22 GMT

In article <2214@tivoli.UUCP>, dfavor@logan.tivoli.com (David Favor) writes:
|> ------- consulting firm requests comments

|> there are several areas that have been of interest to me over the years. I
|> have always had questions in these areas. some of my questions have been...
|> 
|> how important is 1099 income to consultants?
|> 
|> would it be beneficial to provide consultants with assistance incorporating
|> and running the corporation afterwards, to support 1099 relationships?
|> 
|> would it be of interest to provide some form of tax planning assistance
|> geared particularly to corporations (1099) and employees (W2) that work
|> in the software consulting field?

You might want to look into the tax laws a little more carefully.  I would
advise you to consult an accountant and/or an attorney.  If a consultant
is incorporated and doing business through his/her corporation, then there
is no such thing as a 1099.  A 1099 is issued to an individual, not a
corporation.  Therefore, there is no "1099 relationship" to support.


|> what persisting problems have other consultants experienced over the years?

Agencies and consulting firms that are not thoroughly knowledgable about
the industry.

-- 

	Jim Burke	"Life is uncertain - eat dessert first!"
	Teknekron Software Systems		... burke@tss.com
  	phone:(415) 617-2432			... uunet!tekbspa!burke
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
From: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Subject: Re: Recruiters, Brokers and Job Shops in this news group
Reply-To: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Organization: Teknekron Software Systems. Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:39:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.161945.19912@eng.umd.edu>, chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV) writes:

|> 	Begone job shops, recruiters, and brokers!  Go out and pay for your
|> advertising like everybody else!

When I conducted the call for discussion and call for votes for this group
a couple of years ago, I specifically included agency postings as being
within the charter of this group.  That is what was voted upon, so postings
by agencies are perfectly legitimate until someone wants to have another
vote to change the group.  Agencies in this group are not significantly
different than having agencies post job openings in misc.jobs.offered.  This
has been a common practice in that group for years.  Many people want to
know about jobs that are available through agencies, and thus the benefits
to the readers in general are judged to outweigh the financial benefit
derived by the agency.  Personally, I would encourage agencies to post 
all their contract job openings to this group.  This is an excellent service
to those people seeking contract employment through an agency.  

Fortunately, it takes more than one hot-head to change the charter of a 
group.


-- 

	Jim Burke	"Life is uncertain - eat dessert first!"
	Teknekron Software Systems		... burke@tss.com
  	phone:(415) 617-2432			... uunet!tekbspa!burke
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.offered