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From: moran@wear.enet.dec.com (Tim Moran tim@timbo.lzo.dec.com)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Iam McFaul
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:48:10 GMT
Reply-To: moran@wear.enet.dec.com (Tim Moran tim@timbo.lzo.dec.com)
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In article <C0J8u5.328@newcastle.ac.uk>, Dave.Alderson@newcastle.ac.uk (D. Alderson) writes:
|> Path: rdg.dec.com!uvo.dec.com!e2big.mko.dec.com!pa.dec.com!decwrl!rtech!pacbell.com!sgiblab!darwin.sura.net!paladin.american.edu!news.univie.ac.at!hp4at!mcsun!uknet!newcastle.ac.uk!eata!nda
|> From: Dave.Alderson@newcastle.ac.uk (D. Alderson) 
|> 
|> 
|> >Hold on there... an error in my book, perhaps?  Wasn't that Iam, not Ian,
|> >McFaul, the Newcastle United goalkeeper?  Damn memory's on the blink!  But
|> >I do remember someone had this rare name from some 20 years ago.
|> 
|> Yep, you're correct. It was Iam. I think it was short for William. He was
|> also know as Liam I believe. Any mags fans confirm this?
|> Crackin' goal though. Warms the cockles every time I see it on Match of the Day
|> F.A. cup specials.
|> 
|> 
|> 
Iam or Willie; not, to my knowledge, Liam. Good keeper - poor manager. Best remembered as the bloke who sold Gazza to Spurs, bought three flops 
(Beasant, Thorn & Robertson) in his place and just about got us relegated. Jim Smith finished the job off nicely.

Tim
From: brianc@cgl.ucsf.edu (Brian Colfer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Mail list access?
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:20:22 GMT
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Is there a mail gateway for this group?


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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: SOCCER NEWSGROUP
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:35:46 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

motta@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nazare Motta) writes:

>Hey guys,
>Does anybody there is interested in spliting this newsgroup in two? 
>Something like "Rec.soccer.England" and "Rec.soccer.rest of the world"?

Nope. I like it the way it is.

>Nothing against English soccer, really! Just tired of hiting the kill
>file key.
>Could someone, please, post the Italian results more often? How about South
>America soccer for a change? Or even the rest of Europe? 

..and there lies the problem. Lots of people in England are interested in
football, not so many elsewhere, so lots of postings about English football.
I don't see this as a problem, just an indicator of level of interest in
respective countries.
Relax and run a subject kill if it;'s too much for you. 'Predictions' would
be a good one to start with :-)

Dave

Oh....and a Happy New Year to everyone, looks like Sandy's back in the land
of the living at the Tech again :-)

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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Subject: Re: Match Result Wanted
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:38:41 GMT

alien@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Diego Barros) writes:

>Could someone please post or e-mail me the result of the Uruguay v
>Germany game? I saw a few thread titles which had the title as such and
>figured that they had played but I wasn't able to read the articles over
>the holiday break. Any match info would be appreciated also.

  Berti Vogts finally decided to play with 6 midfielders (and a defense
with players of quality). The much underrated Buchwald made it 0-1 on a 
header before the break. Haessler, M/oller and Klinsman made it to 0-4
before <someone whose name escapes me at the moment> got a concolation
goal a few minutes before the end, 1-4.

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From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Re: The Mighty Liverpool
Organization: Wits University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 15:05:01 RSA

In article <1993Jan12.112530.17241@rdg.dec.com>
mcunniffe@essb.enet.dec.com writes:
 
>
>--
>     Everybody seems to believe that Man. Utd. can finally win the league
>title after so many years but not me. When it comes to the crunch, they don't
>have the bottle. When they see the finishing line, they will falter.
>I remember back in 1985-86 when Utd. won the first ten games of the season.
>Everybody thought then that they would walk away with the title but they
>didn't. Who won the title that year? Liverpool of course collecting 34 points
>out of a possible 36 at the finish. Then they completed the double by
>beating Everton in the cup final.
 
Another Liverpool fan living in the past !
 
>
>Utd. may still be supported as well as Liverpool and the reason they are
>quite well supported as that their fans are still feeding off the success of
>the 1968 European cup side with Best, Law, Charlton, etc.
 
Get serious! You can live in the past only that much.
From: cs92aja@cen.ex.ac.uk (A.J.Amsel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:10:26 GMT
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Organization: Computer Unit. - University of Exeter. UK


For those interested, there is a Wolves mailing list available for all the
news and views concerning our great club. Pity we are playing so crap
at the moment.

Oh well, watch us on tv if we get Liverpool in the cup.........


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Subject: English News: weekend results/tables (Jan 9th)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:43:06 +0000







In article <14117@ecs.soton.ac.uk> tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown) writes:

>CHARLTON 2-2 TRANMERE
>Carl Leaburn got a late equaliser for Charlton to preserve their
>unbeaten record at the Valley.  Leaburn outjumped the Tranmere
>defence to power in a fine header 12 minutes from time, ending a
>12-match personal goal drought.  John Aldridge put Rovers in front
>after eight minutes

Don't believe everything you see in the papers, or on teletext. Granada had a
camera at the Valley and and showed that it was clearly an own goal, a
Charlton defender glanced it in from a corner. Aldridge was a couple of feet
away.

> but Steve Gatting levelled for the Valiants
>on the stroke of half-time.  Pat Nevin restored Tranmere's lead
>15 minutes after the interval but Leaburn was to have the last laugh.

Leaburn's equaliser preserved Charlton's seven year unbeaten run at
the Valley!

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From: tkovacs@fribble.eecs.wsu.edu (Tamas Kovacs - EECS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: WORLD CUP/EUROPE
Date: 12 Jan 1993 12:13:35 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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> Group 5:
> -------
> One of the best teams in Europe is out of the picture. It is unfortunate that
> Yugoslavia cannot participate at the time they have the best national team ever.
> I would also bet a lot of money on Russia to win their group. This group would
> have been over as early as 11/11/92 but Greece failed to win Hungary at home. 
> All forecasters and statisticians of world cup qualifiers should pay particular
> attention to the regulating teams, in tis group Iceland. Greece will go to USA 
> 94 because they beat Iceland twice and Hungary will not go to USA 94 because 
> they lost to Iceland at home and they might lose at least one more point in 
> Reyjiavik. This group had easy predictions to start with (Yugoslavia, Russia). 
> Now it is again an easy prediction group.
> Prediction: First: Russia; Second: Greece.
> 
> 
> Stavros, Michigan.
> 
I'm sorry, but I beg to differ!

The one word that describes both Russia and Hungary is unpredictability.  You might might recall that in '86 Hungary was predicted by many
(including Beckenbauer and Cruyff) to make it into ,at least, the semis.  In '90 the USSR was predicted to do at least as well. Neither team made the 
second round. I would also be hard pressed to write Hungary off after they have played onlty three games. I see the tie against Greece in Greece as
an indication of the team coming back.  You might also consider the social and economic conditions in Hungary as an indicator of how the national team does
in WC competition. Believe it or not, it has had a great effect on the team, especially on the coaches and management.
Hungary still has to learn how to operate a true professional soccer organization.
Just remember this: Iceland or not, Hungary is still in it, and won't quit.
Hungary - Russia is still coming up. TWICE !!!!

GO MAGYARs!

Tamas at Washington State.

 >
From: james@hisoft.com (James C. Armstrong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re:  AYSO and the destruction of american soccer
Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:38:45 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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-> i saw some information posted about american youth soccer.
-> well i thought i would throw in my two cents.
-> 
-> many leagues have subscribed to the AYSO way of thinking.
-> everybody plays an equal amount, no matter how good the player is.
-> this defeats the beauty of competition.  kids do not have ambition
-> to get better cause they know that AYSO is going to get them
-> nowhere.

I disagree.  The rules are set up that way to avoid the Little League
(a youth baseball league in the US for ages 8-12) Syndrome.  There,
while the rules say everyone plays, there is usually just lip service to
the rules.  I remember seeing a friend of mine crying at age 9 because
his father berated him in public for striking out to end a game.

When you are young, play the game for fun.  Everyone will pick up the
skills, and when one gets older, then you can start to put them in
competitive leagues.  People mature at different rates, a nine year
old future Pele may not have the skills and coordination to compete
with fellow nine year olds, but may develop the skills by the time he
is 14, under a competitive system he may just give up the game as 
"no fun," since he doesn't get to play.
From: mcssecgm@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Thoughts on Scots Cup/Derby who?
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:14:44 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

Thoughts on Scots FA Cup 93.

3rd Rnd.
Holders Rangers for the second year in a row put out a struggling
Motherwell side still recovering from their shock win in 1991.
Rangers now face Ayr Utd away in 4th Rnd, who pulled off a good 2-1
win at Dunfermline. Although a close game for 20 mins, Rangers should
be in the Quarters quite comfortably.
Now its very easy to criticise Celtic, however having seen Clyde this
season (excellent keeper and good football team), I did not consider
this a shock result (0-0). Brady again makes an absolute fool by
saying for the second week in a row that he is almost satisfied by
the performance and says it should be easier at Parkhead. It should be
however Celtic win in the replay (3-0).

Tie of the 4th Rnd is Aberdeen v Dundee Utd. Both teams struggled against
Hamilton and Meadowbank at home in the 3rd Rnd but ran out winners
in the end. Aberdeen playing well at the moment but I fancy Utd to
maintain a great record at Pittodrie and chalk up a win (0-2).

Edinburgh must have been stunned on Saturday night. I mean 11 goals
scored between Hearts and Hibs against weak opposition. (6-0 v Huntly and
5-2 v Hibs). Hearts now face Dundee in next round, who were handed
the game immediately once Stainrod was sent off. End of season dance
again in February at Dundee FC Social club.Tickets are available
but nobody bothers to buy them anyway. 

Performances of the round at Cowdenbeath where they polished off
Partick Thistle 1-0 and Arbroath defeating Morton 3-0. 

Comments on 4th Rnd draw. Absolutely boring, just like the entire
Premier League at the moment, pulling only one interesting
tie, Rob McLeans.
Good to see a real football team on Scotsport with West Ham
disposing of Derby Co. instead of the garbage we've had to suffer
recently.

Colin G.Milne
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From: tma@progress.COM (Tim Atchison)
Subject: Re: Soccer game at ASU's Sun Devil stadium.
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:10:26 GMT

yhartojo@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Francis Hartojo) writes:

>     I caught a glimpse of an announcement about a soccer match at Arizona
>State's Sun Devil stadium yesterday, but since the announcement is in spanish
>and I only got the last part of it, I didn't get who'll be playing in the
>match and when will it happen.  I think one of them is Denmark.  But I still
>need info on who's the other team, when will the match be played, and where
>can I get the ticket.

>     Any info will be greatly appreciated.

I believe the US National Team will be playing Denmark. The last I read, they
were still trying to decide between 3 different venues, ASU and 2 others.
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From: roberto@oliveb.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Roberto Ricca)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Guerin Sportivo
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:22:38 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC

<< Sorry to post this to the net - I tried to send a private email >>

In article <1993Jan08.000651.56112@watson.ibm.com> you write:

>And one more question: How can I subscribe to Guerrino sportivo? And if 
>possible do you know how much money it will cost in US dollars. I heard
>there is a way that someone can mail it to me for less than what the 
>company charges?

I subscribed to Guerin Sportivo in 1990 and paid 370,000 Lit (51 issues,
that is 7,254 Lit per issue).  This year I asked my father to send me
the magazine by mail. I am paying 3,000 Lit per issue + 4,200 for postal
expenses = 7,200 total (actually - I *WAS* paying. The price per issue
recently increased to 3,500 Lit).

So it is roughly the same cost. I prefer using my father because, when I
go back to Italy for a vacation, he can easily suspend the sending of the
paper. If you have a friend in Italy that you can trust, my advice is to
let him send you the paper.

If you can't use this shortcut, here are some useful tips.

(1) The cost of a one-year subscription is still  370,000 Lit.
    This looks strange to me. As I said the cost per issue is increased.
    You should check better.

(2) With one dollar you can buy 1,530 Lit. Look that the rate exchange
    is growing fast. Last May: 1$ = 1,070 Lit; in October: 1$ = 1,350 Lit.
    Last week: 1$ = 1450 Lit.  I don't understand what is happening to the
    Italian currency!

(3) The address of Guerin Sportivo is:
    
        via del Lavoro 7
        40068 San Lazzaro di Savena BO
		ITALY
        Phone:  (01139) 51-6227111
        Fax:    (01139) 51-6257627

(4) They don't seem to accept payment by credit card. Only by check
    and by some form of money order ("vaglia postale", "c/c postale",
    sorry, don't know how to translate) and only in Italian currency.
    I think the best idea is to ask them directly. They *must* have
    some methods to allow someone outside Italy to subscribe, don't
    you think?

Hope this helps.

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From: bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring)
Subject: Italian tournaments
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:58:31 GMT


Does anybody have the results from the Fiorentina-tournament that was held
last Wednesday (together with Inter and Leeds United)?

The results of the other Italian tournament:

1. Lazio      
2. PSV
3. Club Brugge


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From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Barnes should move on !
Organization: Wits University
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 21:24:16 RSA

The way Liverpool is run nowdays, I think a talented player like John
Barnes is wasting his time there. That present environment is not
healthy for him and is going to ruin his career. He should seriously
think of moving off to Italy or elsewhere in Europe. Sorry no place
for you at Manchester United, they still do have standards there
you know !
 
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From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Predictions: Souness Sacking
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:48:23 GMT
Organization: Wits University

I predict thet Souness will get sacked before April fool's day !
Any odds on me being wrong ?
From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SwRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: re: FIFA Laws of the Game on-line
Date: 11 Jan 1993 15:55:58 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Carl,

	There are many of us (at least this one!) VERY interested in this. 
Thanks for doing the work.

	josef
	jzeevi@swri.edu
From: laher47@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Help: Soccer on Philadelphia area TV
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:26:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I would appreciate it if anyone on the net could give me details (day,time,
channel) about TV coverage of the game here in the Philadelphia area. I am
mainly interested in finding out if English FA Premier League games are being
shown. If you know of other matches (US, South American, etc) that are being 
shown, that info would also be v helpful.  


Thanks!
-Siraz
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From: esp@meiko.co.uk 
Subject: Re: SOCCER NEWSGROUP
Reply-To: esp@meiko.co.uk
Organization: Meiko Ltd
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 10:03:25 GMT

In article 23561@praxis.co.uk, colins@praxis.co.uk (Colin Shield) writes:
> >
> >You'll never beat The Gas - A message to any Bristol City fans out there!
> 
>   Bristol City 1  Newcastle United 2
> 
> No, but we will. 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ....More than likely! BUT after you beat us at Twerton, in a game in which we dominated we're itching for revenge!!!!

> I've just got back from Bristol after watching
> Newcastle give Bristol City the sound thrashing they deserved.
> Everybody in the away end noticed that Dennis Smith had managed to get
> Bristol City playing in the same manner as Sunderland used to when he
> was their manager - BADLY. It was very entertaining as the two Bristol
> City supporters were in the seats above the away end and took great
> pleasure in their opening goal. 

> They weren't so happy with 20 minutes to go when nearly all of their fans had left. 
This is typical of a home game if the shit happen to be losing, for loyalty and patience, shitheads are notorious locally for their lack of it!!!

> I bumped into some
> Rovers fans on the Gloucester Road on Saturday night and they heartily
> thanked me for the result over City. 

Nice story Colin, you can't beat a good story about the shit taking a beating!

> I promised them the same kind of
> result when they visit St. James.
.....Looking forward to a shock result, ahem?????

> Ah yes 14 points clear and I think it's all in the bag.
Confidence breeds complacency???

> 
> 
> Colin Shield

Steve

Up The Gas!






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From: mppu3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Conor McMenamin)
Subject: Re: Just another example of the 'fabulous' Eng
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:01:29 GMT

PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU wrote:
:       I only wished Bob Paisely had stayed in Anfield; maybe the rest of the
: Premier League would really shut up!!!!

	When exactly did Paisley leave Anfield? Do you know ANYTHING
about Liverpool football club?

Conor
From: amudn@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr P A Stowe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: SKY coverage & Chrimble Results
Date: 7 Jan 1993 15:54:44 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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Keywords: Footie on SKY/  RESULTS

Dear All of the Football Civilisation

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!

It is good to finally find some time to write again.

At the start of the season, SKY published a list of all the games that they 
were going to show live on Sundays and Mondays up until the Ipswich v Norwich 
game on December 20th. So, have they published a list for the next month or two
as it would be very helpful to know if games that I am planning on going to 
have been moved. Please help.

Also, in a belated spurt of seasonal good-will, to help everyone who has been 
unable to gain access to this group due to Christmas, on Monday I will put up 
the full set of results for every game played since December 19th with any info
that I feel is worthwhile. Watch this space!!!!

Speak to you soon

Paul Stowe

You've not seen nothing like the MIGHTY QUINN!!!
From: PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Liverpool lose again !
Date: 12 Jan 1993 15:47:18 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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      Well, beware of Villa because they are in first place too.
Yeah, everyone will giggle loudly when United chokes again down the road and I
mean everyone!!!!
      By the way, remember the 85-86 season?  United won its first 10 games and
yep, Liverpool won the championship.
      1967 must have been a good year; too bad it was the last time United fans
celebrated a championship...NOT!
     Hmm...United may win a championship before 2000, who knows...
                                                                       Panos
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