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From: gnat@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Nathan Torkington)
Subject: Re: World Wide Web ???
Organization: Contract to CSC, Victoria Uni, Wellington, New Zealand
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:22:24 GMT

The differences between WAIS, WWW and Gopher are easily explained:

WAIS is a full-text database system (it indexes all the words in a
document, rather than just indexing keywords).

WWW is a hypertext system.  It allows links inside and between
documents, as well as allowing pointers to FTP sites, news, telnet
sessions, gopher sites, and WAIS databases.

Gopher is a networked menu system.  It gives access to FTP sites,
normal documents, binary files, WAIS databases, telnet sessions, X.500
databases, and is a way to give a simple, consistent interface to a
variety of services and information.

This is, of course, a gross simplification -- WAIS is just the
computer-to-computer protocol for asking the questions; WWW and
hypertext have to be tried to be believed, and gopher is by far the
simplest of the three (and the most "popular", it looks).

I hope I've helped;

Nat.
-- 
Nathan.Torkington@vuw.ac.nz is the Electronic Text and MS-DOS archivist
for the Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand.  Work mail to:
[(msdos-archive),(etext-archive),(wais-admin),(gopher-admin),(roget-admin),
(compose-faq),(pratchett-faq),(douglas-adams-faq),(games-list)]@vuw.ac.nz

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From:         Systems Imagineer <TLOFTUS@PIMACC.PIMA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Printers on CWIS kiosks
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>At the University of Colorado, Boulder, we are investigating printers for
>our CUline kiosks.  Does anyone else have printers for their CWIS kiosks?
>If so, what kind are you using?  Comments and suggestions are welcome.
>Donna Pattee >pattee@ucsu.colorado.edu

Donna,

  We've been using MAGNETEC 60 column dot matrix printers for our
  Touchscreen Kiosks.  It's rather simple to use, but imposing to view!
  Simply pass a file to the printer and it'll do the work.  You need to
  indicate when you're finished and the printer will automatically cut
  the paper and feed it to the user.  We use a 6" roll of paper and get
  thousands of print requests! An optional 8" roll is available.
  Special control codes allow for a variety of print styles and graphics
  though the graphics are a bit of a pain to do on this printer.
  With our software we're able to pickup status codes from the printer
  to indicate its success or not.  This is handy when the printer
  runs out of paper.

  For more info, try contacting:
  Magnetec Corp. 61 West Dudleytown Road, Bloomfield, CT 06002
  (203) 243-8941.

--terry
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:02:32 CST
From:         Brian Nielsen <bnielsen@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: World Wide Web ???
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              "M.England%SHEFFIELD.AC.UK@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu" at Jan 22, 93 12:26 pm

Take a look.  It's more than a cwis!

This from Yanoff's list:

 -World-Wide Web        telnet info.cern.ch or telnet 128.141.201.74 (SWISS)
                        telnet eies2.njit.edu or telnet 128.235.1.43 (USA [NJ])
                        telnet vms.huji.ac.il or telnet 128.139.4.3  (ISRAEL)
                        telnet info.funet.fi or telnet 128.214.6.100 (FINLAND)
                       +telnet FATTY.LAW.CORNELL.EDU or telnet 132.236.108.5
   offers: Access to various documents, lists, and services. (Login: www)

Really worth looking at.

                                Brian Nielsen
                                Instructional Technology Group
                                Academic Computing & Network Services
                                Northwestern University
                                phone: 708 491-2170      fax: 708 491-3824
                                internet:b-nielsen@nwu.edu


>
> Hi,
> Can some one tell me about WWW or point me in the rigth direction for
> information?
> For a start is it a CWIS?
> If so what are the differences between Gopher, WAIS and WWW?
>
> Your Mike.
> ***************
> ec2mpe@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk
>


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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:52:00 PST
From:         Allan Cook <ENQ7AVC@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      CWIS Definitions - Please

I have just found out that I am to be more involved with the newly created
head of CWIS at my place of work.  CBeing new to this subject and this list,
can anyone recommend any good sources for reading and / or inspiration with
respect to CWIS in general.


Thanks


Allan Cook
enq7avc.mvs.oac@ucla
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From:         On the Tundra in West Michigan <YA57@MUSIC.FERRIS.EDU>
Subject:      State of the State.

Hi All,

This may seem basic, but I'm a little perplexed.

1)  I'd like to get an e-copy of Michigan Governor
John Engler's State of the State speech.  Can someone
guide me to an Anon. Ftp site, please.  Now, I just
don't want to be guided there.  Let me know how you
determined HOW to get there, and where the site is.
Please.  We've just become Internet, and I don't think
we have all the Internet "stuff" yet, so I will try
via mail ftp.  If that still works, I haven't been
successful since Internet went live.

2)  Looking over the January Hunt results, I'm a little
mystified how one determines HOW to determine the answer
or where to look (refer to above).  I know Archie does
not cover ALL sites, so how does one divine these answers?

Peace.

Ignoramously,

        --Bruce.

  Bruce Werner        BITNET:  YA57@FERRIS  (still works incoming)
  Big Rapids, Michigan  (We're BIG, we're just not GRAND)
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From:         Larry Owen <OWEN@AUDUCVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CWIS, INTERNET and anonymous users!

David Henry says:

>What we have done here at the University of Maryland is to restrict telnet
>access for users with anonymous access via dial-up.  We know when the user is
>coming from our dial-in pool and in that case we don't allow people to telnet
>to anywhere outside our local domain.  Otherwise, there is no restriction.
>All that a user needs to do is access a system within our domain (this requires
>a non-anonymous login somewhere) first and then they can use our CWIS with no
>restrictions.  Since all faculty, staff, and students can get a userid, we
>don't see this as a terrible problem.
>
>This does disable some services for some users, but we felt this was necessary
>to prevent hackers from attacking systems all over the Internet.  In fact, one
>of the reasons for implementing these restrictions was that our CWIS was being
>used to break into other systems on the Internet.  It IS unfortunate that a
>few hackers have forced us to take this action, but I feel confident that it
>is the right thing to do.
>
Not directly related to CWISes, but:
The dialup question also begs the question about DOS machines and Macs,
particularly in public labs, but also in offices.  These machines may be
used more or less anonymously, applications that attempt to identify
the user (news readers and mailers) are trivial to spoof on these machines,
there are no audit trails, etc.  Do you allow these types of machines
access to the Internet at large, or do you require logins to time-sharing
machines first?

I'll go ahead and answer the question in my own case.  The terminal servers
on our dialup facility are configured so that they can only telnet to
machines within our class B net and our state Supercomputer net.  I have
had intentions of setting up access lists on our routers to similarly
restrict PCs and Macs in public labs, but have never gotten around to
it.  It's becoming an issue because our computer center folks, who operate
the news server, are grappling with the decision on whether or not to
allow posting from PC-based news readers, and the whole question of
anonymous access to the Internet has naturally arisen.
>
>I don't know what the official Internet policies are regarding anonymous access
>to the Internet is, but it makes sense to me that it is appropriate to restrict
>such access when it is reasonable and possible to do so.
>
I seem to remember reading in an RFC or FYI either a requirement or a
strong suggestion to disallow anonymous access.  However, I've just in
the last few days spent a little time trying to locate the reference,
and haven't been able to find it, so maybe I was hallucinating.  It
may be in the "oral tradition" FYI.

Larry Owen                         email: owen@noc.auburn.edu     or
Campus Network Administrator              owen@ducvax.auburn.edu
Auburn University                  phone: (205) 844-4110
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From:         Systems Imagineer <TLOFTUS@PIMACC.PIMA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CWIS Definitions - Please
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         Allan, don't open the box!  Once you do, it's yours!

>I have just found out that I am to be more involved with the newly created
>head of CWIS at my place of work.  CBeing new to this subject and this list,
>can anyone recommend any good sources for reading and / or inspiration with
>respect to CWIS in general.
>
>Allan Cook
>enq7avc.mvs.oac@ucla

   Get onto a system that allows you to telnet to other CWIS's about
   the country and the world.  Seeing how others have structured their
   systems will be most helpful.  You can try Mark Resmers' *LIBS*
   by telneting to   vax.sonoma.edu  password   libs.  Instructions
   on how to ftp the file and get on a mailing list can be found here.

--terry (it's done with smoke and mirrors) loftus
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:48:39 PST
From:         "Rick Gates" <LB05GATE@UCSBUXA.BITNET>
Subject:      February Hunt Coming
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          kidsnet@vms.cis.pitt.edu

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For those wishing fast access to the Hunt, try the Gopher server at
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Rick Gates                              (805) 893-7225
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:05:58 PST
From:         Yossie Silverman <YOSSIE@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU>
Subject:      looking for kiosk software...

What sort of kiosk software (and hardware) are people using?  UCSF is
considering setting up some information kiosks (I hope I got that right)
and needs to know.

It is a very simple job to write a HyperCard application that would work
with a touch-screen and MacTCP to essentially be a touch-controlled
gopher (or whatever) client.  What I am wondering is what other people
have done and what is available for cheep or free :-)

- Yossie

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From:         Terri Cameron <GH0225@SPRINGB.BITNET>
Subject:      Decentralization

We have just found out this week that our department will be decentralized,
with programmers moved into some as yet undefined administrative areas
around the institution and that Office Visions, DW370 and our other
office automation systems will also be taken away from our users at some
as yet undefined point, probably in the next couple of years.

Although it's pretty apparent that our Dean's mind is made up, I have
been assured that he is interested in any feedback about institutions
who have already decentralized, particularly as to how they have handled
issues such as campus-wide calendars, e-mail and bulletin boards.  I
think it would also be interesting to see how many institutions there
really are out there who do not have a centralized computing area that
includes programming support.  We are only talking about 5 programmers
for 1,200 users with some pretty diverse needs.

So, I am scanning indexes of journals looking for articles and thought
I'd ask people who might have gone through this already.

I'd appreciate any comments you can send.

Thank you.

Terri Cameron                                              PHONE: 217/782-2419
Departmental Information Supervisor                          FAX: 217/785-5561
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From:         "C.K.Work" <C.K.Work@SOUTHAMPTON.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Copyright issues relating to CWISs
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In reply to Steve Jone's question about copyright -

We have looked at the problem (briefly) at Southampton with some input from
a tame legal expert and careful consideration of the Universities
regulations on copyright - this is something you may have overlooked Steve,
but basically, something done in University time on University equipment
may well be, by default, copyright of the University.

Anyway, our conclusions were as follows -

Anything on the CWIS is copyright of Southampton University, and we say
this on the opening screen

UNLESS

it is explicitly stated in a particular document/file that the copyright
resides elsewhere.

Although we don't explicitly state this (and perhaps we should) we will not
object to material being re-produced by end-users UNLESS the document/file
actually states that it is not to be reproduced.

We are given to understand that we could, if required, prosecute for mis-
use of a document (perhaps, say, to mis-represent the university) but in
order to do this, we would need to prove that the document did in fact
originate with Southampton. This would entail producing satisfactory
evidence. One way we MIGHT be able do this is through our administration
system which tracks the progress of documents through the system and date
stamps - whether this is rigorous enough for the courts is another question
- it certainly wasn't designed with copyright enforcement as the primary
objective.

So far we have had no problems with this, and in fact a few people have
been polite enough to ask permission to use documents, even though they may
not have needed to.

Colin K. Work

Uni. of Southampton Computing Services
C.K.Work@Southampton.AC.UK
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From:         BUCKLES@WSUVM1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Need Help on Selecting Authoring Software
              28 Jan 1993 09:37:38 EST from <COPLER@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

One response about NATURAL Elite it should be tansportable to VMS. NATURAL
Elite is written in a programming language called NATURAL. NATURAL
operates in many environments one being VMS.

You might consult with the users on SAG-L, which is also on the
network, for more information.

Terry D. Buckles
System Analysis/Programmer
Washington State University
Pullman, WA.
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From:         "DOV - DR. ART ST. GEORGE" <STGEORGE@UNMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Kiosk Blueprints Wanted

In cooperation with a local electronic newspaper, the
University of New Mexico is planning to establish a
kiosk in a local shopping center. We initially are thinking
of a structure with several monitors and keyboards and
perhaps a passive video station.

I am looking for others who have constructed similiar
structures and in fact, am at the stage where I would
like to see blueprints.  If anyone has information about
building kiosks, please get in touch with me. Thanks.

Art St. George
University of New Mexico
(505) 277-8046 (v)
(505) 277-8101 (fax)
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From:         Dorette Dusterhoft <DUSTERHO@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CWIS Definitions - Please

Judy Hallman has written an excellent and complete paper on CWIS history,
issues and contacts.  Publication information is listed below.  Her
e-mail address is hallman@gibbs.oit.unc.edu.

The paper will be published in Advances in Library Automation and
Networking, volume 5, 1992 (Greenwich, CT; London; JAI Press). It will be
out in March or April.

Dorette Dusterhoft     (dusterho@vm1.nodak.edu)
Manager, User Services (701)777-3880
UND Computer Center
North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network
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From:         "Steve Jones (Oxford 273206)" <saj@VAX.OX.AC.UK>
Subject:      Copyright issues relating to CWISs
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Does anyone know what the situation is relating to copyright of information
placed on a CWIS? Two aspects arise:

1) Can any information provider place copyright restrictions on information
which is, after all, being placed in the public domain.

2) What are the laws relating to the use of copyrighted material (say, from
a book, manual or other document) on a CWIS?

I realise that answers may be country specific, but a comparison of the
different regulations would be interesting in itself.

Thanks,

Steve Jones
Information Officer,
Oxford University Computing Services
SAJ@VAX.OX.AC.UK
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From:         Eileen <HITCHINE@DUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: World Wide Web ???
              22 Jan 1993 12:26:43 BST from <M.England@SHEFFIELD.AC.UK>

RE  WWW    To see this:
Try telnet vax.sonoma.edu
    pw   libs


From the menu I think # 5 has archie, gopher, www etc.

The Libs software runs on Unix and Dec equipment and is very neat in itself.

Eileen Hitchingham,Dean of the Library
Drexel University  Philadelphia, PA   19104
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    FAX: 215-895-2070    TEL:    215-895-2750
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At Rutgers we check where the user comes from and restrict access to certain
 files.  Public information we make it available to all.

Leny Struminger, LCSR/Advanced Computer Applications  voice 908-932-3438
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From:         "Judith @Cntr DB Systems" <COPLER@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Need Help on Selecting Authoring Software
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I am involved in a project where we want to develop training modules
for employees on a PC but have it portable to a VMS system.  The
tools we are considering are:  Easy Author by AMT, Authology by
the American Training Institute, and Natural Elite from Software
AG.  We were told (although we don't know if this is correct) that
the Software AG product will not suit our needs because of the
VMS requirement.  Any help anyone can give me would be most
appreciated.  Thanks...Judith Copler, Director, Indiana Center
for Database Systems, 401 Lindley Hall, Bloomington, In  47405
(812)855-4890.
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From:         Moshe SOlow <CUCMS@HUJIVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Computerized Conferencing

I am not sure this is the right forum but could anyone out there
send me some e-mail addresses and Telnet connections for Computerized
Conferencing.    Thanks.  Mosje

solow@pluto.huji.ac.il
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