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From: tyadav@athena.mit.edu (T.Y.)
Subject: Re: being asian-indian/american
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 19:55:35 GMT

========================================================
 vagarwal@tardis.shearson.com writes:

>What I am trying to convey is : If you are European ,
>you can assume citizenship of any country you like immidiately
>and be accepted as citizen of that country.
>---x---
>Non-Europeans maintain their citizenship of their origin while
>"Europeans" change their citizenship like lizards change their colors
>and get accepted.

 Hmmmm, this is not true.
 Europeans, and others, have hard time "getting accepted" in Japan, China..etc.
 (well, my american friend married a japanese immigrant - and thats where i
  learnt this - other japanese friends confirm this)
 Furthermore, I know many europeans (most of them are women), who find 
 thamselves uncomfortable/unaccepted in america. 
 Furthermore, I have known Indian colleagues, who are convinced
 that a non-Indian can never be an Indian...........
 In summary, prejudiced people exist everywhere.

>No matter how much you try to convince your fellow European American
>friends that you are an American,British,Australian....by virtue of
>birth or otherwise. They will only laugh at you in their hearts.

 Why do you have to "try to convince" something like that?
 Just curious.

T.Y.
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tyadav@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: who're you calling an american? :(
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:32:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.140201.14231@umiami.ir.miami.edu> dpereira@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
>Sounds like this is getting to be a battleground for desi and ABCD clowns from
>AT&T and not IIT!
>----
>
>Get a life!

You should follow your advice.  Stick to surfing.


Rakesh Patel
From: mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu (Pendragon)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: being asian-indian/american
Date: 28 Dec 1992 23:00:51 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

In article <1hlkg1INN2tb@bigboote.WPI.EDU> rangok@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rangaswamy Keshavan) writes:
>I quit my job (at that time, in 87, it was not a hopeless economy
>for engineers as it seems today) and with my backpack on my back, went first to
>Nepal, to trek in the Himalaya, and then down into India.  Immediatly in India
>I had the task of dealing with relatives who expected me to behave as an Indian
>even though I was an American, and my grandmother and me had a ton of arguments
>about who I should marry and all that crazy stuff.  But the wonderful thing 
>about that time is I did a lot of travelling also, and got to know and see India
>and my relatives in a way that a few weeks would not suffice.  And also I did
>find a wonderful woman there to spend my life with, and even though it was an
>"arranged" marraige in the sense that we did not date as we do in this country,
>though once we were engaged (after 3 meetings) we did spend the next two months
>in each others company every day and fell deeply in love before we were wed, it
>was the best thing that could have happened to me.  But that is a different 
>story of going by ones intuition, and not my point here.  

Sounds like some adventure.  I'd be interested in hearing excerpts :-).

> [About U.S. and India:] They are similar in many ways.

Not that I see.  Please do point out the similarities.

Manish
-- 
--
In an ultimate sense, I cannot know what I do in this room, though I do
ultimate things.  I stand in the dark with a pick in my hands, striking
at heads!                       -- Martin Dysart, psychiatrist in EQUUS
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu (Mehul Sanghvi)
Subject: Comments on Preeti's party 
Reply-To: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: UMass-Lowell Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:44:56 GMT


>>>>> "Preeti" == Preeti Anissa Gholap <pghol@ctp.com> writes:

I actually got to see this post !!!  :)

Preeti> More stuff about the acuai party on the 27th:

Preeti> Well, it was supposed to be lunch, but people 
Preeti> stayed till 11pm...so either they had no homes
Preeti> to go to, or else they were having too much fun
Preeti> (i certainly did!) -- naturally, I prefer to
Preeti> think the latter is true  :)

You're wrong!! It had nothing to do with whether people had a home or whether
they were having fun ... it had to do with the excellent food that was there :)
And of course the "liquid food" as well :)

Preeti> Just wanted to thank you all for turning up
Preeti> with yummy goodies (both alcoholic and non- !)

Anytime, anytime ....

Preeti> and, more importantly, with your sparkling 
Preeti> wit and sunny personalities :)

Well I think I can safely thank you on behalf of all of us for the excellent
food. Crazy, Gonzo ( character from Muppets ), weirdly hyper, etc are the
words people have used b4, never "sparkling wit and sunny personalities", when
describing me. :)

Preeti> And I wanted to thank Satyen for proposing
Preeti> this very good idea in the first place, 
Preeti> and Mehul for helping organize it. 

Glad I could help.

Preeti> I was pleased to see that both acuai "regulars"
Preeti> and "read-only" members dropped by.
Preeti> We had Mehul "I-can't-sit-down!" Sanghvi, 
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                   nice, real nice. now i definately have to come up with
something that'll describe you. Anyone who was there have any ideas????



Preeti> Here's to more acuai parties!

Yup! lets have more of them ... I think Amirthi already proposed one.





increase the peace
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: vagarwal@dis9002.shearson.com (Virendra Agarwal)
Subject: Re: The problem with India (Mosque incident)
Reply-To: vagarwal@tardis.shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers
	<1992Dec20.012720.25554@midway.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:12:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.012720.25554@midway.uchicago.edu> esti@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Paul A. Estin) writes:

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   From: esti@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Paul A. Estin)
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>   Now, to move this discussion back to India... what *does* the Indian
>   contitution look like?  In what ways is it similar to and different
>   from the American constitution?  Are there ways in which the British
>   influence on the Indian form of government have particularly helped or
>   hindered India in the long run, in your view?

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What good is constitution if it can not be applied in practice. That is one of major
problem faced by India. In some ways British influence has helped and in some ways it
hinders the progress in India. The Govt. of India tries to practice the same power on 
people as British did. They need to be educated in their MINDS that BRITISH have left
and treat every human being in India as equal and provide them same opportunity.

It is a complex problem which will take its own time to resolve.

--
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Virendra Agarwal
vagarwal@shearson.com
212-464-2151
Lehman Brothers
388 Greenwich st.(9th Flr.)
NewYork, NY 10013
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From: mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu (Pendragon)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: = Opportunity etc. (Re: So whats in a constitution.......?
Date: 28 Dec 1992 22:56:36 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec28.221436.11514@athena.mit.edu> tyadav@athena.mit.edu (T.Y.) writes:
>
> But then, not every child is as "dependent" as you might seem to think.
> My arguments are based on the premiss: 
>   Children (or adults) have the potential to be independent and 
>   the best way to let them be productive is to nurture, support
>   and encourage independence (or self dependence in other words).
>
> As far as oppurtunity goes, its there - if one is willing to work for it.

Many II immigrants are strongly meritocratic: America is a land of opportunity.
Those who are poor deserve it.  Those who are rich (like us) are rich solely
due to our hard work.

America as a level playing field is a myth, however.  It is better than most
other nations in justice and fairness, but certainly far from the ideal.

> Please note that I am not saying "there is no lack of opportunity, there
> is no discrimination, there are no unnecessary hurdles.....;" After all
> we live amongst a wide variety of souls. Problems, difficulties exist.
> But they can be overcome. And the best way to overcome all that is for
> the individual to take care of hisself/herself. To think. To persevere.
> To exist.

Is this your answer to inner-city children?  "Think, persevere, exist?"
I think you assume rational and well-fed intellects, like your own, rather
than people living in fear, crime, and poverty.  The power of one exceptional
individual to rise above the squalor is very rare.  What about the rest?
The basic quality of life must be up to a certain level before we begin
exhorting absolute morality from the impoverished.

Manish
-- 
--
In an ultimate sense, I cannot know what I do in this room, though I do
ultimate things.  I stand in the dark with a pick in my hands, striking
at heads!                       -- Martin Dysart, psychiatrist in EQUUS
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: <None>
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 01:38:01 GMT

Is anyone who is of Alaskan Native Blood seeing this?? 
Especially person from the Nome, Norton Sound Areas?
Let me know, if you want any messages passed on to relatives and cousins?

A crazy Gusik in Nome..


Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
From: lallu@cc.utah.edu (Upmanu Lall, Civil Eng)
Subject: temples/indian cultural organizations in d.c./n.virginia
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date:  1 Jan 1993 17:14 MST  

I am on sabbatical in Reston VA till JUne/Aug and would like to know of Indian 
cultural organizations /yoga groups /temples/gurudwaras etc in the N. Virginia 
area
Thanks in Advance for the information

Upmanu Lall
From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Preeti's Party....comments
Date: 30 Dec 92 05:44:56 GMT
Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Lots of fun.

Definitely worth 5 hours on a Greyhound bus.

More people should throw parties...

(and in that spirit, anyone in Chicago on Valentine's Day is invited
to my St. Valentine's Day Massacre party.  Gangster/40's garb
encouraged but not required.  This is intended to rescue from
depression all those who don't have people to be mushy with on this
incredibly commercialized holiday...:-)

Please R.S.V.P. if you intend to come, esp if you need crash space.

 - Amirthi
-- 
i thank you God for most this amazing
day:  for the leaping greenly spirits of the trees
and a blue true dream of sky; and for everything
which is natural which is infinite which is yes		 - e.e.cummings
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Holiday Greeting
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:44:13 GMT


Wishing you all a very happy holiday season and the coming new year.

I am enjoying U.S.A. 

Amita
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: harbirk@ifi.uio.no (Harbir Singh Kohli)
Subject: Re: Sri Lankan Sculpture Exhibit @ Smithsonian
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:40:15 GMT
Originator: harbirk@slora.ifi.uio.no


Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: shiv@tsp.med.umn.edu (Shiv Prasad)
Subject: Re: East Indian vs. Asian Indian
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:17:21 GMT

In article <1ht08rINNms1@agate.berkeley.edu> mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) writes:
>
>We're often called East Indians to distinguish us from the West
>Indies and from Native Americans.  The local newspaper just repeated
>this term in an article on the opening of a first-run Indian
>movie theater in Fremont, CA.  I'm going to write them and say
>that East Indian implies the same importance given to the West
>Indies.  Frankly, I'd much rather be called Indian.  It's much
>shorter, more descriptive, and most accurate.  If it weren't for
>Columbus' navigational goof-up, and that of an extraordinary sort,
>then Asian Indian would never have been necessary.
>
>So how about it, net.folks: East Indian or Asian Indian?
>
>Manish
>-- 
Like it or not, there are two geographical regions called Indies, East and
West.  There are also two Americas (N & S), two Guineas (New and Regular),
two Dakotas etc., so we really don't have a choice.

I was born in the West Indies so naturally the other Indies were the East
Indies.  So I'm accustomed to the terminology and it doesn't bother me.
And given the choice of East or Asian Indian it still requires an adjective
to distinguish us from American Indians, so it's six dozen of one
and half of the other (or something like that).

But then again, having been born in Trinidad, being of East Indian ancestry,
and being a US citizen I guess I qualify as all: American Indian, East Indian
and West Indian.  Damn, talk about AB(extremely)CD.

Shiv Prasad
shiv@lenti.med.umn.edu.MOUSE

Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: pghol@ctp.com (Preeti Anissa Gholap)
Subject: Party in Boston!
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Distribution: us
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:35:49 GMT


I've been getting mail from people mixed up about the
date/time of the acua-i "do" so, pay close attention to the
info below! Hope to see lots of you there  :)
-----------------------------------------------------------
Hello North Eastern acua-i addicts:

The Boston acua-i party is happening!

Where: Preeti's House
When:  Sunday, Dec 27th, 1pm
What:  Casual lunch, BYOB, hang out etc

Please let me know, or let Mehul know, whether
you are interested, in ADVANCE of the 27th,
since we are trying to figure out logistics--
food, parking etc.  RSVP to one of us and
we'll supply you with directions. 
Preeti:   pghol@ctp.com
Mehul:    msanghvi@cs.lowell.edu

Hope to see you there!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^ Preeti Anissa Gholap ^ CTP Inc. ^ 304 Vassar St. ^ Cambridge MA 02139 USA ^
^ pghol@ctp.com        ^          ^ (617)374-9800  ^                        ^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: rek@eng.auburn.edu (Narayana S. Rekapalli)
Subject: Obtaining EAD for someone who is on F-1
Reply-To: rek@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 21:11:28 GMT


Can anyone please tell me how long will it take to obtain EAD in the following locations.  My situation is I got a job offer and I don't have EAD with me right now.  The nearest INS office for me is Atlanta.  But they take 4-6 weeks to process EAD application.  I can't wait that long.  So I want to try in other nearest INS offices.

1. Arlington, VA
2. Baltimore, MD
3. Charleston, SC
4. Charlotte, NC
5. Cincinnati, OH
6. Houston, TX
7. Jacksonville, FL
8. Louisville, KY
9. Memphis, TN
10. New Orleans, LA
11. Orlando, FL
12. Tampa, FL
13. Washington, D.C.

Please reply to the following E-mail address.

	rek@eng.auburn.edu

Thanks in advance,

Narayana Rekaplli
From: mgmsw@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (! M.Goutham )
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: HELP WANTED FOR RESEARCH
Summary: RESPONDENT IDENTIFICATION
Keywords: RESEARCH- SCHIZOPHRENIA
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:15:49 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Hi,

	I am looking for help in identifying 15 families of asian
	indian origin who have a member in the house who is afflicted
	with SCHIZOPHRENIA.

	This is to collect data for a phd theses and i can assure you that
	all correspondance will be strictly confidential.

	Kindly email me at mgmsw@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

	Looking forward to your help.

	Thanks.

	Manchapora Goutham
From: hari@bass.bu.edu (hariharane ramasamy)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: just thought this article would make sense
Date: 27 Dec 92 19:43:14 GMT
Organization: Boston University

Many of you are aware of what is happening in India. I am not 
sure what is right or wrong but commiting crimes in the name
of God does sound wrong to me. I grew up in India, I like
Indian Culture since (natural) I spent 23 years there. I came
here like many students for Graduate degree. Apart from learning
life, I came across these valuable lines of the President whose
words suit best with the current situation in India. 

_______________________________________________________________

	The President's Last, Shortest, and Best Speech

	On thursday of last week two ladies from Tennessee came 
before the President asking the release of their husbands held
as prisoners of war at Johnson's Island. They were put off till
friday, when they came again; and were again put off to saturday.
At each of the interviews one of the ladies urged that her
husband was a religious man. On saturday the President ordered
the release of the prisoners, and then said to this lady "You say
your husband is a religious man; tell him when you meet him, that
I say I am not much of a judge of religion, but that, in my
opinion, the religion that sets men to rebel and fight against
their government, because as they think, that government does 
not sufficiently help some men to eat their bread on the sweat of
other men's faces, is not the sort of religion upon which people
go to heaven!"

						A. Lincoln

Incidentally an another article where President uses God's words
to seek unification. Farewell speech given by Lincon at Springfield
Illinois

My dear friends, no one, not in my situation can appreciate the
feeling of my sadness at this parting. To this place and to the
kindness of these people I owe everything. Here I have lived over
a quarter of century and passed from a young man to an old man.
Here my children have been born and one is buried. I now leave,
not knowing when or whether ever I may return with a task before
me greater that that rested on Washington. Without the assistance
of the Diving Being whoever attended him, I cannot succeed. With
His assistance, I cannot fail. Trusting in Him who can go with me,
and remain with you, and be everywhere for good, let us confidently
hope that all will yet be well. To His care commending you and so
I hope in your prayers you will commend me, I bid you an affectionate
farewell.

					A. Lincoln

Hope I made sense.

A person that uses truth for destruction is the most evil person 
one would want to meet in history. History has lot of examples. Any
person who uses his force to get people will get himself to the
same situation.

hari

that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in 
vain
From: raj@bigbird.bu.edu (rajagopalan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Rice and curry
Keywords: diet
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:32:08 GMT
Followup-To: <1992Dec31.123058.41193@watson.ibm.com>
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department

In article <1992Dec31.123058.41193@watson.ibm.com> kailath@prema.aix.kingston.ibm.com writes:
>
> In my endless ponderings over the ills of my homeland
>and possible solutions I sometimes used to blame our food
>habits for some of our problems. 

	(description of an enviable rice-and-curry routine deleted for the sake
of drool-unproof keyboards)

>There is no doubt that part of the inefficiency 
>in our home land is due to their dietry habits.

	that, i think is a little bit of extra extrapolation. the nature of our
lives has changed steadily over the past millenium up to 1900 or so. our dietary
habits are part of a much older tradition than our professional lives. we have
slowly changed from a predominantly agricultural community to a mixed community
in terms of the kind of work we do for a living. our life is much more sedentary
now than our forefathers'. also as our prosperity increased (which it 
undoubtedly has even if marginally) the original diet of full-grain kai-kuttal 
arishi and fish and whatever has been supplemented with a lot of fatty 
substances (fatty food makes us feel rich :) and refined sugar. after 1900 many 
or most of us have become chained to desks for a living. when we were farmers 
and fishermen and blacksmiths and woodsmen we did not need nordic tracks (tm) 
but now our lives are bereft of any hard labour. (except for used-car salesmen 
:) our lifestyles have changed dramatically in recent history but our diet has 
remained more or less the same. what we are eating today is the cumulative 
effect of the centuries of social history.

	i think we should rethink our diet and our exercise regimen to reflect
these new lifestyles otherwise we are headed for ruin. methinks it is time to
change our cultural habits with regards to health. perhaps this is happening
already. americans are changing their diet and exercise pattern dramatically
(at least in the last decade) and we must do likewise. already some changes are 
in place. gone are those huge soporofic lunches because modern professions 
rarely accomodate a siesta. dinners are getting bigger (which is not healthy but
that also will have to go eventually). mothers and wives try to use less palm 
oil these days to save their menfolk from the nightmares of saturated fat. 
sooner or later indians will also find a diet of rice-and-curry and whatever 
else that will be more in tune with the lifestyle of a computer programmer, 
bureaucrat etc.

>Yes - rice and curry and meat only on Sundays. So move over meat and potato, 
>rice and curry is in

	only goes to show how deceiving appearances can be. we only have to
remember one thing - what is sauce for one goose may not be so for another.

happy 1993 to y'all.

-rajagopalan