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From: robishaw@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw x5960)
Subject: Re: Signalling right turns
Keywords: hand signals, traffic law, cycling
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:02:20 GMT

In California, either method is acceptable.

Gary
-- 
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robishaw@uranus.lrmsc.loral.com       Steven Barrucci after John Gotti's
408/432-5960                          sentencing.
Usnail -- 3151 Zanker Rd. San Jose, Ca. 95134-1928
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Bike Nashbar
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 22:44:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <9207231527.AA23018@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green) writes:
>>From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
>> And I've had pretty poor performance (sic) from Performance.
>
>i'd just like to add that the one (so far) mail-order experience
>i've had was (recently) with Performance. got the stuff in no time!
>even returned something (didn't fit right) and received notice within
>a couple of days that my card had been credited! :-)
>no complaints here! :-)

I would just like to add -- I said poor performance, not bad service.
On _most_ of the occassions that I have ordered stuff from Performance
they have backordered much of the order for sometimes extended periods.

I have always received the correct merchandise and I am satisfied with
their quality.

The _only_ complaint I have is their backordering stuff that they have
in their catalogs. I expect catalog merchandise to be stocked _most_
of the time, not _much_ of the time.


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca (Adrian Pepper)
Subject: Re: Mandatory Helmet Law in Ontario in 18 months
Organization: University of Waterloo Math Faculty Computing Facility, Ontario, Canada.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:16:13 GMT

In article <63055@cup.portal.com> John_-_Forester@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>                            ECONOMICS OF HELMET LAWS
>
>   The news that Ontario may have a mandatory helmet law in 1993 has aroused
>two kinds of opposition. 
>
>The first argument concerns whether wearing a helmet saves money. A crude
>estimate of U.S. statistics shows that it would. 
[...]
>
Well, in Ontario we have complete public health care.  Perhaps then
when bicycle helmets become mandatory, the provincial government should
undertake the expense of providing them to everybody, since this move
would save money on health-care expenses.  At the very least, the
Provincial Sales Tax should not be charged on them.  I suppose the
province would have little power to say the federal value-added tax,
that is the Goods and Services Tax (GST) should be waived too.

If helmets become mandatory, I think cyclists will lose a lot of public
support.  There are probably a lot of people with bicycles in their
garages that they never ride, but those people probably feel they are
"occasional" cyclists.

Those people would have to decide between purchasing an accessory that
costs about 50% of what they feel a bike should cost, or deciding that
they are not even "occasional" cyclists after all.  At that point a lot
of sympathy for cyclists will be lost.

The only solution seems to be subsidizing helmet costs.  It seems
unlikely that the government will do this.  I don't know why; roads are
subsidized, so are driving tests.  Something to do with individual
possession, I guess.

Should mandatory helmet laws come into effect, then, perhaps it would
benefit serious cyclists to start and support a helmet charity of some
sort.

Adrian.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 17:54:44 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: Helmet Safety: any reliable evidence?
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: na
Organization: WINCO
Keywords: 

In article <1992Jul24.164118.20764@ccu.umanitoba.ca> feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld) writes:
>Several Canadian provinces seem about to require bicyclists to wear
>approved helmets.  Aside from the civil liberties issues, the idea may
>be a good one -- certainly retailers will like it -- but I'd welcome
>something like scientific evidence that helmet wearing really does
>reduce death or serious injury.  So far the only non-anecdotal
>evidence I've encountered related exclusively to small kids.

This is a situation where the anecdotal evidence is fairly reliable.  I
hit an oil patch in the middle of a turn and went down quickly.  The
Giro Hammerhead took a good clang and rang my chimes a bit, but no skull
damage or loss of skin etc (at least from my head).  

Consider the relative effects of having someone smack your skull with a
baseball bat with and without a good helmet.

I'm convinced.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: what floorpump to buy?
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:58:18 GMT

Despite the complaints of some about it being old fashioned (read: leather
washer), I think my Silca is great. The only maintainance it ever needs
is a couple of drops of oil in the cylinder every year, and every single
part is avauilable for replacement- although the only thing that seems to
wear out is the rubber insert in the valve chuck, and then only after about
5 years minimum.
 
It's the easiest to use, too. Just push it on. No levers, no adapters, no
fussy bits to get lost. Sure, it only fits Presta valves, but there's really
no reason to use Schraders on anything other than a child's bike.
 
             --mike
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pcc@s1.gov (Philip C. Cox)
Subject: types of steel tubing and their quality?
Organization: LLNL
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:58:28 GMT


I am  getting very confused about the varuious types of steel tubing
availible on the market today. I would like to compare the quality 
among the current steel tubing type I have been seeing in bike shops. 
In particular I would like to know how you rate the following tube 
sets in order of quality:

Columbus ALLE, SL, SLX, TSX, EL, Cromor
Tange Prestige,DB chrome-moly
Reynolds 531,
True Temper, RC2, RC2 short butt, RCX DB chrome-moly
Paramout Percision butted OS
Tange/Bianchi Superset-2

** if you know the technical specifics of the different major types,
please include. Any reference material would be appreciated. **

Second question might negate the first, but is the actual build of the
frame set more important than the materials? I have noticed that a
chromor Lemond frame with shim 105 components is $ equivelant to a 
bottechia SL w/ shim 600. Is this due to the name or the quality of the
frame? What makes an Eddy Merckx frame so much better than a cheaper
frame of the same tubing? 

I am looking at buying a new bike. I am planning on spending about
$1000, and am trying to decide whether I should buy a NEW Bianchi Virata
(or equivelant) OR try to pickup a used Eddy Merckx. I would like
opinions on this also.

Thanks in Advance,

Phil
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Subject: Re: what floorpump to buy?
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 06:57:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Summary: Zefal Double Shot - mixed review - mostly good

I also have mixed things to say about the Zefal Double Shot.  And only
*good* things to say about the local Performance shop.  The first one
had a hose problem, the second one couldn't seat to a valve, and while
the third one works well inflating tires, the gauge is just kind of
there. If I subtract about 10 psi, and then another 10%, it's close.

The switchable valve [schrader/presta] is both the easiest to switch
and the best to seal of any I've ever used.  And I've seen spare parts
for it on the shelf at dealers' shops, just not Performance.

If it had *no* gauge, it would be the best floor pump I've ever used.
Yet I have a friend in Sacramento who has one with a reasonably
accurate gauge!

I've never noticed before, but yes, the gauge reads about 35psi right now!
Yet it reads 140 at 120.  I don't get it:-{ 

If it broke I'd run down to Performance and buy another, but I'd take my
expensive dial gauge, and I'd test the new pump(s) on tires in the shop
before leaving.  I think that's a recommendation;-)

Anybody notice how the word "gauge" looks wrong after you type it 
a few times:-}
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Drivers who just miss
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:17:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <9207302310.AA21269@hplomg.hpl.hp.com> BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
>
>Holy crash test!  What's this "willing to go as far as".  You're not
>on trial so why are you an apologist for this bigoted macho car-power
>menace?  Reckless endangerment is not what is at hand.  This guy went
>to the far side of the road to run over a bicyclist head-on.  

Jobst, I wasn't there and consequently have to use information tht
I've gleened from the numerous newspaper accounts that I've read. I
suspect that this is the case with you also.

It was stressed in the articles that this guy had been drinking and
that he had said something to the effect that "these centerline
reflectors only work if you have the headlights on." He then turned
the headlights off, rounded a turn at speed, apparently crossed 
voer the cnterline and struck the bicyclist.

>If he
>had not meant to run the cyclist down, why would he not even call for
>help when he returned to the scene and saw that the rider was still
>lying unconscious on the road.  He could have done this anonymously.
>He was quit satisfied with what he had done and was proud of it,
>showing his handiwork to a friend and making ghoulish remarks.

Why do hit and run drivers always run? Is it because they meant
to cause an accident?

Look, I abhore the results of this jackass as much if not
more than you but the improper application of laws certainly
will not help the situation. Hang him? I'm for that, but
let's hang him for the laws he broke, not what we want to make 
up.

Many years ago I looked down while driving and picked
up a quarter or somesuch that had fallen. When I looked
up I had driven across the sidewalk, through someone's
yard and between two closely parked cars and a telephone
pole. There was no damage and no-one was hurt. I might
have killed a pedestrian or someone sitting in their
own front yard. Would my failure to crash have proved that
I did so on purpose?
>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pvogel@convex.com (Peter A. Vogel)
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:29:29 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <22784@oasys.dt.navy.mil> tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith) writes:
>In rec.bicycles, MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
>    Imagine if they did this for baseball:
>    Start with the 20 second version of nifty graphics with horn music. 
>Spend the first 20 minutes in a baseball factory interviewing the person
>who stitches the covers on. Do a long set of commercials. Listen to 
>the fat lady sing the anthem. More commercials. Jump into the game in 
>the sixth inning. "It's a ground ball, the runner scores! The XXXXXX
>are up by two!" Cut to commericals. 
>    Then a running commentary on how baseball is popular in Puerto Rico. 
>Do an up close and personal on the catcher.  Show the fishing boats 
>his father used to work on. Do the 40 second version of nifty graphics 
>with horn music. More commercials.
>    Skip to the ninth inning. "it's the bottom of the 9th, the bases 
>are loaded, the score is tied. Two outs. We'll be right back!." Cut 
>to a long set of commercials.  Add about 10 minutes of wall street weekly, 
>then a five minute set on panda mating. More commercials. Now put on 
>the 10 o'clock news. More commercials. "And we're back. It's a bunt! 
>The runner scores!"
>    Interview the catcher, ask him about Puerto Rican seafood. "What do
>you think about fish?"  Show a short clip of Fidel Castro throwing out
>a pitch. Tell the viewers that "we'll have more of the same tommorow!" 
>(As if that was enticing...) Cut to the 60 second version of nifty graphics 
>with horn music. More commercials.

I LOVE IT, great characterization of the NBC coverage.

>
>BAH! No wonder they lose money.

Actually, I suspect they PLANNED it this way.  Remember, NBC gets a significant
portion of the revenues from the triplecast, they're trying to disgust you 
into paying $29.95/day (or 125 for all 15 days) of triplecast subscription.

Of course, if you have triplecast, you would get to see the Women's Road 
Race in its entirety... On August 6th (according to TV guide).  So you 
have a choice, kinda like the presidential choice.

-Peter



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From: chuang@micro (Michael Chuang)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Drivers who just miss
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:45:10 GMT

tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
> As for those narrow misses: I have thought about this alot. I notice
> that the biggest majority of these cases are women drivers. I'm certain
> that they don't fell any particular hatred for bicyclists.

Well, it'll have to be a braver man than I to get sucked into the
women-drivers morass, but in my experience I've had the most trouble
with young men in TransAms, and to a smaller extent, young men in
semi-offroad trucks, as Jobst reports in his story.  Many of these
people seem to have the need for self-aggrandizement though intimidation
of others.  I suppose I would too if I were an illiterate, red-necked
slopy-foreheaded moron.  More seriously, even though you appear to be
refering to wimmin drivers, I suppose the people I've had the most
trouble with don't particularly hate cyclists, they're simply looking for
someone to pick on, and cyclists are a convenient target.  I don't
imagine that most of these young men have much money or indeed much of
a future to look forward to, so they "get back" at whomever they can.
In a similar vein, I've been called "Chink" by more minorities than
by white people (both proportionally and in absolute numbers).  Just
a matter of looking for someone to dump on to temporarily ease those
insecurities.  This doesn't excuse playing with someone's life though.

BTW, one of my friends reports much the same thing with regard to being
called "Chink."  This really bugs him because he's part Korean.  (Calling
a Korean Chinese is like calling a Belgian a Frenchman -- or vice
versa.)

chuang@micro.ll.mit.edu
From: wagner@bullwinkle.cs.Colorado.EDU (Dave Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Freewheel road hubs
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:21:30 GMT
Organization: Universtiy of Coloardo, Boulder

In article <92204.235809JONQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <JONQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>> From: bwildasi@whale.cs.indiana.edu (Ben Wildasin)
>> I would like to solicit the net's opinion on the various brands of
>> freewheel-style road hubs (Phil Wood, Bullseye, Mavic, American Classic,
>> Suntour Superbe Pro).  The most important criterion is durability: will the
>> axles break?
>
>AMERICAN CLASSIC - The axle design of this hubset is very different from
>that of Bullseye.  Although the center section of the axle is oversized
>like Bullseye, the axle ends (the part that sticks out past the hub
>flanges) step down to a smaller diameter and do not extend the full width
>of the 126 or 130 mm spacing.  The spacing is achieved by axle end caps
>that fit over the axle ends.

Phil hubs are (or used to be) the same way.  I once broke one of the
end caps.  Solved that problem with a Phil tandem axle, which really is
solid and uses allen bolts instead of a QR.

>As mentioned by another respondent, I also like to shift the axle over in
>order to minimize wheel dishing.  For a 126 mm axle, I'll push the axle
>over towards the left and dish for an Ultra-6 (5 speed spacing) cluster.
>This is something that you can do easily with Bullseye hubs and it makes
>for a stronger wheel.

I like to do this too, but I'm starting to see a problem:  where can
you get an Ultra-6 freewheel anymore?  I haven't seen any in any
of the catalogs.  With the advent of the new 8-speed clusters, I have a
feeling that they will soon become nonexistent.  :-(
Does anyone know where I can get some of these freewheels?

Do the 8-speed hubs have a wider axle?  Like a 135mm?  Otherwise,
how do they cram all them cogs in there?

On the same topic, how's the wheel dish on a cassette-style hub?
Do these really build stronger wheels, or is the advantage strictly
fewer broken axles?

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		University of Colorado Comp Sci Department
		wagner@cs.colorado.edu
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Rim failure, for Jobst and other netters!
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:09:57 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul28.154910.11465@col.hp.com> arnie@col.hp.com (Arnie Berger) writes:
>     It is quite possible that you had a flaw in the rim to begin with. Also,
>the degree to which you tension the spokes should be compatible with the 
>ability of the rim to take it. For example, if you take 14 gauge spokes and
>really cinch those babies up tight on a very light racing rim, you can 
>probably over tighten it. 

This is a common failure from overtightening. It is unlikely that 
a Mavic failed like this due to a flaw. The broken nipple is a dead
giveaway to overtightening.

BTW, if you don't lube everything up well when you start it is
difficult to tell if you are overtightening the spokes.
From: efrank@charm.hep.upenn.edu (Ed Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Crossing the Delaware [how to make like Washington]
Keywords: with a bike, of course
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:50:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


   There is also a bridge into Cinnimonson NJ out of Philadelphia that
can be crossed by bike.  The other Phila. bridges are closed to bikes which
makes it hard to get to NJ by bike.  (Actually, you may be able to walk
across the Ben Franklin into Camden, but who would want to?)

Ed Frank
efrank@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ovr@vipunen.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
Subject: Re: what are legal bike weight/length/width limits?
Reply-To: ovr@vipunen.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 13:32:32 GMT

I wrote (before consulting the Great Book of Wisdom):
>At least Finland has such limits. Max width of a bike with load is 1 m.
>Max width of a bike trailer is 1,25 m.
Sorry, that should be 0.80 m for bicycles and 1.25 m for tri(or more)-
cycles. Also, max height is 4 m and max lengths are: for bike+trailer 16 m,
for trailer (excluding hitch bar) 8 m, if it has one axle and most of its
weight is carried by that, otherwise 12.5 m.
>I'm not sure
>if there's a weight limit for trailers, but if there is one, it's probably
>100 kg.
There indeed is such a limit and it's 50 kg, which includes both the trailer
itself as well as its load. Actually, it isn't until now that I notice that
I have regularly overloaded my trailer. You see, the trailer weighs 13 kg
and two cases of 12 1-liter-bottles of cola weigh 25 kg each. What a
criminal I am. Then again, there aren't too many bike trailers in this
country. (Oh, and you are not allowed to transport children in a trailer.)

I find such pearls of legislation quite amusing. All you need to do to
find them is to learn to drive/ride from a lawbook instead of some License
to Kill-manual (like I did.)

So, what's the penalty for wearing an old jersey when cycling in NJ state?
Death? And how old exactly is "not new". Maybe I'll even tell you about
the conditions under which mudguards are not mandatory in this country.


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From: susanm@.WV.TEK.COM (Susan Merklin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: things happen, are they accidents?
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:27:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: shaman.1502
Reply-To: susanm@marketeer.WV.TEK.COM (Susan Merklin)
Organization: /usr/ens/etc/organization

In article <1992Jul28.091956.57544@cc.usu.edu> bob@cc.usu.edu (Bob Bayn) writes:
>"Accident" is the word used to soothe the guilt of the parent who backed
>over the child in the driveway.

Ouch -- too close to home.   This happened in my cul-de-sac last week.
The 14 month old boy died.   The woman who backed over him is not
charged with any charges.   It was determined by investigation as
an accident.
 
>What's my point?  In my lexicon, there are incidents that are intentional,
>neglegent and accidental.  The last choice applies to very few incidents.
 ^^^^^^^^^
Has my vote.   I agree.   There are few true accidents.

Susan
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Reposting: Results of the 2nd Annual Tour de France(TIOOYK) Contest
Date: 30 Jul 1992 22:46:54 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver

Here are the results of the 2nd Annual Tour de France(TIOOYK) Contest:

First the correct answers:

Top 5 overall GC:
	1) Indurain
	2) Chiapucci
	3) Bugno
	4) Hampsten
	5) Lino

King of the Mountains: Chiapucci

Points Jersey: Jalabert

Team: Carrera

Winning Margin: 4:25

And of course, the all important Bonus question:

Eddy Merckx uttered the famous words "There is only one, you know(TIOOYK)"
when referring to the Tour de France.

And the winner is(ASCI drum roll inserted here for effect).....................................................................

		Carl Gooch (gooch@leland.stanford.edu)

Carl had an 8 point effort, here is his winning entry:

Top five:
        1) Indurain
        2) Chiapucci
        3) Bugno
        4) Lemond
        5) Delgado

Mountains:  Chiapucci

Sprints:    Adbujaparov

Team:       Banesto

Time difference:  7:44

Bonus:  Bruce Hildenbrand

Obviously, a sentimental favorite of the chief judge of the competition!

Also on the podium are:

	Tim Moore(moore%defmarco.cs@cs.utah.edu) with 7 points 

		and on the third step(a bit crowded, the tiebreaker
		is only for 1st place) with 6 points

	Pedro Luis Sierra Hernando(psierra@dit.upm.es)

	Sheldon Smith(shsmit@atl.calstate.edu)

	Wade Blomgren(wade@hobbes.USCS.EDU)

	John Scandurra(jscandur@BBN.com)

	Sam Henry(shenry@cs.rice.edu)
	

I would like to thank everyone for participating, there are really
a lot of knowledgable (and a few sentimental) cyclists out there.

No one picked either Carrera as the top team or Jalabert as the
top sprinter, or Lino, but maybe only Bo knew them.

Bruce