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From: friedenb@birch.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conservative vs. Orthodox Halacha (was Conversion Question)
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:53:44 GMT
Reply-To: friedenb@birch.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University


In article <10Nov92.142628.21103@granite.ciw.edu> cohen@quartz.ciw.edu (Ronald Cohen) writes:

>There is no Conservative theological principles that disavows
>Torah mi'shamayim, the absolute Divine origin of the Torah, and
>the binding nature of the Oral Tradition.  On the other hand, it
>is not a sin to think such, as long as one follows Halacha.

Who's halacha?  The C movement says that it is permissable under halacha 
to drive to shul on Shabbos, and that *ALL* North American wine is 
Kosher (teshuva of Rabbi Israel Silverman of Canada).  

Let's face it, the only minyanim that hold to C halacha is at JTS.
Individual synagogues have "Ritual Comittees" of laymen making
halachic decisions.

>One notable example of difference of opinion between O and C is
>the COMPLETE inclusion of women in the Jewish community in
>Conservative Judaism.

Rabbi Joel Roth (halachic authority for C movement) advocates women 
making chiuv before they are given "equal" rights in C shuls.  Therefore
women would have to take upon themselves the same obligations that men are
born into:  davening 3x/day with t'fillin and tallis, shomer shabbos and
yom tov, keeping kosher, etc...

This, of course, will never be adopted by the C movement, because it
is more concerned with halacha than the ever sliding ruler which 
measures "equality".

I left the C movement because I saw that they seem to have lost sight 
of what it was that they were trying to "conserve."  I wonder what A.J.
Heschel and Solomon Shechter would think of driving to shul on Shabbos 
to hear a woman Rabbi and make kiddush over Blue Nun Wine? 

Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University


                   
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From: emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout)
Subject: Re: Sexual immorality in Israel
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:07:57 GMT

In <4435@bimacs.BITNET> rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg) writes:

>While looking for a job, I came across the following small
>advertisement in the situations-vacant column:

>NIS 15,000: pretty girls wanted.  must be liberal.  call....

I remember this type of thing 15 years ago in Israel!  What else
is new?

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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: WARNING: Sam Saal coersion
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:09:31 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Nov09.100557.21691@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>In article <emc.721061425@reg> emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout) writes:
>>  [stuff erased]
>
>Sam, you should quit doing this to people. You are acting like that
>you are the owner of SCJ and everything posted on it should be 
>censored by you.
>
>Nabil

Perhaps you should respond to Sam and not to people taking his
defense.

And I think all of you should take this to e-mail or alt.flame or
something.


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From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 15:53:27 GMT


wb =  warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
In article <2757@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>dm = makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
>
>wb: I don't know about David Skoll, but I have read the deceased racist's
>wb: books and articles and heard him speak.
>
>dm: We are discussing Rabbi Meir Kahane.  Not whoever it was you heard
>dm: speak.
>
>Yes, we are discussing the late racist rabbi.

I challenge you to post this about the Mufti or the Ayatollah.
To tpm or soc.culture.arabic.

Or about the Pope.  To the (moderated?) Christian religion newsgroup.

It's easy for a Jew in Israel to criticise dead Jews on
soc.culture.jewish.  Would that others were as tolerant of such deep
criticism; We already know that others are tolerant of such deep hate.

Surely, Warren, you could have done better than this.


-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
From: israel@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert B. Israel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Small town Judaism
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:49:56 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In <92313.1800582893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

>Outside of Toronto, Montreal and Winnipeg, Canada's Jewish population is
>relatively small and there has been some concern about the survival of
>Jewish life in smaller communities like London, Kingston or even Ottawa.

I just want to reassure the non-Canadians on the net that Vancouver is
still in Canada, with a Jewish population larger than Winnipeg's (though
admittedly a smaller order of magnitude than Toronto or Montreal).

Yes, there is concern, even in Vancouver.  In particular, the intermarriage
rate is alarmingly high.
-- 
Robert Israel                            israel@math.ubc.ca
Department of Mathematics             or israel@unixg.ubc.ca
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, BC, Canada V6T 1Y4
From: davis@passy.ilog.fr (Harley Davis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Pierced Ears
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:04:36 GMT
Organization: ILOG S.A., Gentilly, France
In-reply-to: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com's message of 9 Nov 92 15:17:28 GMT


In article <9211091518.AA22278@cyclone.sbi.com> gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler) writes:

   There is a Mishna in Tractate Shabbat discussing whether walking outside
   with strings in (newly ?) pierced ears (to prevent the holes from closing)
   is permissible or whether it is considered "hotza'ah."  It would appear,
   therefore, that piercing ears was an acceptable barbarism. :-)

Isn't there something in the Torah about a slave who doesn't wish to
be released getting his/her ear pierced?  This would be even better
evidence that ear piercing was permitted, at least in some
circumstances.

-- Harley Davis
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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:51:12 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In <4431@bimacs.BITNET> rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg) writes:

> I happened to be in the region of the funeral procession as it passed
> the central bus station in Jerusalem, and was petrified as THUGS
> started hitting busses which had come through Arab areas and therefore
> MIGHT have been carrying Arabs.

This happened after the procession crossed Rechov Yafo and continued
onto Herzl.  I didn't see this part, after seeing what the crowd did
in the Center One shopping mall (chased an Arab into the mall and then
into a store within the mall, the windows of which were smashed).  I
decided that I'd seen enough and took a bus home.
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From: v206gb6c@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (IS AN ILLEGAL PERSONAL NAME)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Bobby Fischer's anti-semitism
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:14:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


    I just read that former chess champion Bobby Fischer blames his quitting
world chess play on the Jews.  The article also said he has made other
anti-semitic remarks in the past.  Can anyone comment on this?

PauL M SchwartZ  (-Z-)  |  Follow men's eyes as they look to the skies
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From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Prayer shawls
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:46:20 GMT

<jjsulliv@COLBY.EDU (Nice Young Lady(tm))> writes:

>I see a great variety of tallit (where is my hebrew textbook when i need a 
>plural form?)

The proper plural of "talit" is "taliot," though most people use
"talitot," which is also considered acceptable.  (If you're from
Eastern Europe, it's "taleisim." :-)

-Don Gertler
From: friedenb@birch.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Conservative Leadership on the 21st Century
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:34:42 GMT
Reply-To: friedenb@birch.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University


With all of this discussion about C vs O, I think that a point must be made.

Who will lead the C movement in the future?  

Not that many years ago I was very active in the C youth movement (USY).
My friends and I liked USY.  We ate McDonalds at conventions (but nothing 
with beef), and when we had conventions with the West Coast Regions we even
had a piano leading z'miros on Shabbos.  For the more observant USYers,
we had a "traditional" minyan (with mixed seating).  

At every convention there is learning involved (Judaic).  Usually it was
watered down stories from the weekly parsha.  But, as one gets to a 
higher elected position in USY, there are more conventions (meetings) to 
attend, and the study material becomes more substantive (usually there is
a higher percentage of day-school students at higher elected levels,
and thus a higher level of learning can be implemented without going over
too many people's heads).

By the time one gets on the International Board, each convention includes 
learning a daf of Gemorrah straight from the Aramaic text with the director 
of USY (R' Paul Freedman at the time).  

At this point, we (the USY leaders) were being taught materials (Gemorrah) 
at a USY meeting which was contrary to much of what we were doing at shul, 
at home and at USY conventions. This is where the problem begins.

The C movement taught me so much that I learned that what I was doing
(with C halacha) was some-what incorrect.  Even the long-time director
of USY was "pressured" to leave because the C movement realized that
this problem was getting worse and a change was needed.  Because the 
director was from the "old school" of the C movement, he chose to 
leave rather than to compromise his beliefs.

A few years later I was at a Yeshiva for baalei teshuva.  I found out
that 50% of the Americans at this yeshiva were either Regional or 
International leaders of USY.  Even many of my friends who made it to 
JTS, realized soon after entering that JTS was not moving in the direction 
that they were comfortable with and left for secular employment or
for UTJC's (Union for Trad. Conservative Judaism) new Rabbinical School.

So here is the C problem:  Continue to educate the C youth leaders and 
risk educating them right out of the movement, or deprive them of this 
education (an option which is un-thinkable).

Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University
From: starr-daniel@yale.edu (Daniel Starr)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Pyramids
Date: 12 Nov 1992 14:09:32 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but as I recall 
most scholars hypothesize that the Exodus (and immediately preceding events)
was somewhere in 1200-1800 BCE period, whereas the pyramids were
a millenium before that.  The works that our labor was used for presumably
were the many temples and other monuments built by the various Ramses I-whatever
...
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: a hypocrite (or lier) posts from Canaca (was Re: Autopsy...)
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 15:39:23 GMT

In article <92309.0618272893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> 2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (andy) writes:

>Sadly Sam, you are more interested in harassing me than is seeking the truth.

Actually, the same charge could be leveled against you.  Probably more
justifiably, too.

>If you do not stop harassing me [sending "several" email messages] I
>will complain to your supervisor. 

See what I mean?

>As I have a case, where you clearly do not, I suspect I will have
>success in having you penalised or reprimanded in some way. 

Is this a threat?  How childish.

>By the way, where is "Canaca", I've never heard of it, do you enjoy living
>there?

The "D" key is just above the "C" key on my keyboard.  How about
yours?  This is probably what is known as a typo.  Flaming typos is
even more idiotic than flaming spelling mistakes.  Grow up!

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:19268 misc.headlines:6915 talk.politics.misc:58215 misc.legal:19574
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.african-american,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Say it ain't so
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:52:38 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:

>srm@world.std.com (Stevens R Miller) writes:
>: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>: 
>: >: Lemrick Nelson was acquited in the Crown Heights murder.
>: >:
>: >Welcome to the world of reverse racism.                  
>: 
>: Did you watch the case Jack?  Do you know the facts?  How do you know that
>: a mixed jury was racist in its verdict?
>: 
>: Welcome to the world of reasonable doubt.
>
>Pray tell, how many Chassidic Jews were on this "mixed jury"?

Trial is supposed to be by a jury of the defendant's peers, not
a jury of the victim's peers.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: McDonalds in Israel
Date: 9 Nov 92 09:00:19 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In <1dkd2iINNbv9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:

>Is there a chance it will be kosher???

Wendy's is kosher in Jerusalem.  In Tel Aviv, they are open on Shabbat
and have no kashrut certificate (although they assert that all
ingredients used are kosher).  There's no Pizza Hut in Jerusalem, the
one in Tel Aviv has no certificate, either (at least it didn't last
time I was in the neighborhood).  I don't know if it's open on Shabbat
as it's located in a shopping mall (which I don't go into on Shabbat)
or what they claim about the ingredients.

There are also Israeli chains that have kashrut certification in
Jerusalem but not in Tel Aviv so it would not be surprising for
McDonald's to follow this pattern.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ajin (Am. Jewish Inf. Network)
Subject: Global Network at GA
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <ajin (Am. Jewish Inf. Network)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:59:11 GMT

The global Jewish information network will be discussed as part of a
workshop called "The Global Jewish Village:  Building Identity Through
Telecommunications" at the General Assembly of the Council of Jewish
Federations.

The workshop, to be chaired by Daniel Elazar, president of the Jerusalem
Center for Public Affairs, will be held Thursday, November 12, 1992,
3:30-5:15 PM in the Mercury Rotunda in the New York Hilton Hotel. 
Speakers will include Alan Stein, president of the American Jewish
Information Network, Rabbi Margaret Holub of the Mendocino Coast Jewish
Community, Daniel Margolis, executive director of the Bureau of Jewish
Education in Boston, and a representative from the Global Jewish
Information Project.  The workshop will be staffed by Caren Levine of
the Jewish Education Service of North America.

A description of the planned workshop follows:

"Some of the more creative uses of electronic communications networks
include the building of 'virtual communities.'  Jewish networks can
provide users with opportunities to build networked Jewish communities
for exploring issues of Jewish identity.  Networks also provide a means
for creating resource data banks that can be accessed by members of the
Jewish community world-wide.  Participants will learn about new
initiatives toward promoting Jewish identity and continuity through
telecommunications as they explore the uses and implications of creating
a Jewish global village."

The General Assembly is the annual meeting of the Council of Jewish
Federations.  Approximately 4,000 Jews are expected to attend this
year's GA, November 10-15, at the New York Hilton.

AJIN--The American Jewish Information Network--ajin@israel.nysernet.org
From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Email Access in Israel
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:27:34 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <4088@bcstec.ca.boeing.com>, small@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Peter Small) writes:
> Greetings,
>
> I am looking for inforamtion on email access in Israel.  I have some friends
> living in Galilee who are interested in sending and receiving email.
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> PS
>
> --
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> -- small@bcstec.ca.boeing.com|
> -- uunet!bcstec!small        |
> -----------------------------|

DATASERVE Ltd. of Ramat Gan, Israel has a license from the Israeli Ministry of
Communications to provide Internet connectivity to corporate clients in Israel.
They currently provide UUCP email and USENET to large corporate clients and
Jewish organizations in Israel. For $80/month they provide:
a) Internet subdomain
b) unlimited number of mailboxes (userid's) on the system
c) one megabyte of email (approx. 500 pages) with each page over this limit
costing 10 cents.
d) ability to send to any fax machine in the United States for an additional
   $10/month and 55 cents/page

From January 1st, they will provide:

a) SLIP/PPP connections at $350/month (for telnet/ftp)
b) Personal dialin accounts (ftp/telnet) at $70/month
c) UUCP over TCP/IP (unlimited) at $140/month

Further information is available from:

info@ilnet.net

Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL





Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 20:44:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.155327.11995@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) went on about...
>>wb: I don't know about David Skoll, but I have read the deceased racist's
>>wb: books and articles and heard him speak.
>>
>>dm: We are discussing Rabbi Meir Kahane.  Not whoever it was you heard
>>dm: speak.
>>
>>Yes, we are discussing the late racist rabbi.
>
>I challenge you to post this about the Mufti or the Ayatollah.
>To tpm or soc.culture.arabic.
>
>Or about the Pope.  To the (moderated?) Christian religion newsgroup.
>
>It's easy for a Jew in Israel to criticise dead Jews on
>soc.culture.jewish.  Would that others were as tolerant of such deep
>criticism; We already know that others are tolerant of such deep hate.
>
>Surely, Warren, you could have done better than this.

Contrary to the above-expressed opinion, there are plenty of Muslims who
DO criticise the Ayatullah or other prominent figures in the Muslim world.

We live in a world where the majority of our information about those
with whom we do not have regular contact is gleaned through the media.
The media is interested in radical views.  The views of tolerant Muslims,
Jews, Christians, etc. will not sell papers or get high ratings.

The majority of Muslims are just like any other people, trying to go on
with our everyday lives peacefully.

Yasmin


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Subject: Re: MOTT?
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <norm@helix.nih.gov>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:35:13 GMT

>What does "MOTT" stand for/mean?
>
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