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                          THE HANDICAP DIGEST

                               Issue # 2577

                           Monday, April 13, 1992

Today's Topics:


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                           Blink Talk Digest # 557

                             Re: DOG GUIDE RULES
                              Re: FLEA PROBLEMS
                       Re: ELECTRIC CARS AND THE BLIND
                               Re: DOUBLE TALK
                           Re: NLS TB DEVELOPMENTS
                               Items for Sale
                          Re: Ham Radio Schematics
                        Re: Anybody who are deaf-blin
                         Re: Blind fold the sighted
                      Re: New Braille computer display


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Subject: Re: DOG GUIDE RULES
From: Dan.Kysor@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Kysor)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/11 - The Broken Rose BBS, Sacramento CA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

i am sure there are some like yourself who feel obedience is
unnecessary but most the major guide dog schools insist upon
obedience and for good reason.

if your dog feels it's punishment, its the way your your conducting
obedience. obedience should be positive and relaxing but re
enforcing the idea that "your" in command.  of course, i am not one
to do obedience with my dog everyday but about 3 or 4 times per
week but i don't buy no obedience and i believe your school holds
to this as well.

dan... remember the basics!

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Subject: Re: FLEA PROBLEMS
From: Curtis.Delzer@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Curtis Delzer)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/11 - The Broken Rose BBS, Sacramento CA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

this sound weird but really works--give your dog garlic in whatever
form.  Fleas hate it--you might get fleas on you but, they won't be
on the pooch, not much anyhow.  A good tar shampoo readily
available from most veterinarians will help, but the garlic really
works!

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Subject: Re: ELECTRIC CARS AND THE BLIND
From: Curtis.Delzer@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Curtis Delzer)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/11 - The Broken Rose BBS, Sacramento CA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

another problemis with their quiet approach, how can you judge how
safe it is to cross the street without some kind of warning signal
from a "audible" light-change indicator?  Why is it that some
"organizations" for the blind are against such obvious needs?  In
some cities such as Oakland Ca. and others there are numerous
sounding light-change indicators, but in many there are not.  With
the on-comming revolution in electric cars' technology, it seems to
me that such a thing should be manditory, just like curb "cuts" are
for wheelchair users.

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Subject: Re: DOUBLE TALK
From: Carl.Herring@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Carl Herring)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/11 - The Broken Rose BBS, Sacramento CA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

i use the double talk and find it most efficent i have it at work
on the office network i have the sounding board at home and find
the doubletalk as efficent and easy to understand and the
doubletalk costs around half the price.  nice to see that.  would
recommend it highly for a inexpencive but reliable synthosizer.
works good with scanner andreading large text.  responds well shuts
up quik too.  works well with vocalize. they are selling a external
i think also.

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Subject: Re: NLS TB DEVELOPMENTS
From: Carl.Herring@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Carl Herring)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/11 - The Broken Rose BBS, Sacramento CA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

i would sure like to be able to have the nls catalogs on a data
base inordr to search for books i hear talk that they are going to
do so.  better yet why dont they have a 800 number so we call via
modem and search and then leave e requests to be sent to our
regional library hear in california we wanted to get our regional
library to set up something no moneys available i wonder how much
time it would save if we could access there system and order books
update requests might save staff time.  what uyou think.  i hate
going through the tape and or disk catalogs takes allot of time.
much easier and less frustrating if able to access on disk or
online database with well designed menu.  any thaughts on this
one.

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Subject: Items for Sale
From: Robert.Carter@f331.n117.z1.fidonet.org (Robert Carter)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:117/331 - Cyberpunk EMS, College Station TX


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

[Note from Bill: This is dated March 28th]

I have both a tape-based VersaBraille and a VersaPoint that I want to sell.
They are both in good working order, but the VersaBraille needs a new battery.

I would like to get these items into the hands of someone who could use
them and am not wishing to overcharge for these items.

I will take best offer. If you are interested, please leave me a message
on this echo.

Sincerely,
Robert Carter, Ph.D. * JABBER v1.1 * Jabber... The Lean, Mean, Reading
 Machine...

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Subject: Re: Ham Radio Schematics
From: Angelo.Morris@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Angelo Morris)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:101/460.0 - VI/BUG, Holbrook MA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 NF> A friend of mine is studying for his Tech license and needs to
 NF> know where he can find braille schematics.  Can anyone help?
Hi Nancy,
Your friend won't need any, because thenew tests for the Blind have no diagrams.
If you need them The Hadly school has some.
You can also contact Handi-Hams
Their address is:
Courage Handi-Ham System
3915 Golden Valley Rd.
Golden Valley, MN 55422

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Subject: Re: Anybody who are deaf-blin
From: Stu.Turk@p2.f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Stu Turk)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/26.2 - SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 > EM: living etc..., I am currently president of British Columbia
 > EM: Association of the Deaf-Blind, local of Greater Vancouver
 > EM: area in Canada under Canadian National Society of the Deaf-Blind,

 > GG:    Could you please provide contact information about your organization

I don't know about the Canadian one that Eddie belongs to, but are
you aware of the American Association of the Deaf Blind, 814 Thayer
Ave, Silver Spring MD 20510 (sorry I don't have phone number
handy.)

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Subject: Re: Blind fold the sighted
From: John.Sanfilippo@p0.f102.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (John Sanfilippo)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2603/102.0 - The Event Horizon, Bay Ridge NY


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 > Blindness is a problem that is difficult to detect, ...

 SM> And that's where you're dead, dead wrong.  The way you stand, the way
 SM> you hold yourself, the way you address someone speaking to you--hell,
 SM> man, the way you handle a knife and fork!--is a dead, dead giveaway

I agree with you, but i also believe that there are at least a
few people who "carry" themselves so well that one is
hardpressed to tell that they are blind. I believe SOME people
do have this characteristic (I aint one of 'em, and i see a
bit).

... Everything seems harder to get into these days but trouble.

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Subject: Re: New Braille computer display
From: John.Sanfilippo@p0.f102.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (John Sanfilippo)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2603/102.0 - The Event Horizon, Bay Ridge NY


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 JD> have been spending my own time working for the last year on a
 JD> full-screen Braille computer display. Given the current state of
 JD> technology, I am amazed that such a thing has not yet been done.
...
 JD> The device I am working on would be affordable to any blind
 JD> computer user, and consists of a 24" x 32" panel that plugs in
 JD> parallel with the monitor, with an array of 640 by 480 small pins
 JD> (one for each screen pixel) that are raised or lowered according to
 JD> the pixel value (on or off) on the monochrome computer display.
...

Hi John. I applaud your interest in a tactile display and i sure
don't wanna dampen your enthusiasm, but, are you sure that your
device is braille? Not all that is tactile is specifically
braille. Then too, there's nothing saying that a device which
simply makes the printed screen tactile is unuseful either.
Braille and embossed print are 2 different things: braille is a
code, based on combinations of 6 dots. The combinations often
bare no resemblance to their print counterparts. Thus, your
device would have some translating to do.

Please! By all means, do investigate further you may have a
great thing going.

... Ride The Wave!

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