From: jbuck@ohm.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck)
Subject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: news.admin/news.sysadmin reorganization
Followup-To: poster
Reply-To: na-vote@zorch.sf-bay.org
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:53:49 GMT

This is the official call for votes for the reorganization of news.admin.
If all votes succeed, (the replacement for) news.sysadmin will fall into
this structure as well.

The main motivation of this proposal is to subdivide the two main
sources of traffic in news.admin: technical issues important to the
smooth running of the net, and policy issues that people care passionately
about, but that really represent a different topic area.

There are three proposals to be voted on:

Proposal 1: replace news.sysadmin with news.admin.technical (moderated).

This group is dedicated to the technical aspects of maintaining the
netnews environment.  Puzzled by the RFCs?  Trying to diagnose a tricky
problem on your system?  Then post here.

Personal abuse, repetition of things that have been hashed to death
already, and articles more appropriate for news.admin.policy (questions of
law and policy) would be rejected by the moderator with a request to post

The archive that would be built up would be a valuable resource for new
news administrators.  It's my hope that sites will archive the group from
its beginning and that the group will be worth archiving.

Scott Hazen Mueller has volunteered to moderate news.admin.technical
(scott@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG).  As there are no other candidates, if the
proposal succeeds, he will moderate the group.

(Scott is currently the moderator of rec.arts.sf.announce and ba.announce.
He runs zorch, a public access Usenet/Unix site).

Proposal 2: create news.admin.policy (unmoderated)

Policy issues, e.g. what do the newgroup guidelines mean and should we
change them, discussion posting of advertising on the net, the role of
copyright, issues of censorship or alleged censorship.

Proposal 3: replace news.admin with news.admin.misc (unmoderated)

This group captures anything else that doesn't fall under the first two
groups.  This follows the general rule that we make the hierarchies
symmetrical and have a misc group.

As I will be on vacation for the end of the voting period, Scott Hazen
Mueller has volunteered to collect the votes.  Please do not mail votes to
me.

Please submit your vote by mail to the address "na-vote@zorch.sf-bay.org"
(replying to this message should work if your newsreader handles Reply-To:
correctly).  You can also try ames!zorch!na-vote, or
na-vote%zorch@ames.arc.nasa.gov if your mailer doesn't do domains
correctly.

Please vote by including three lines indicating your three votes with
your choice on each, in the following form:

Proposal 1: yes/no/abstain
Proposal 2: yes/no/abstain
Proposal 3: yes/no/abstain

For example, to vote yes on the first, no on the second, abstain on the
third:

Proposal 1: yes
Proposal 2: no
Proposal 3: abstain

Voting will end August 1, at which point results will be announced.

The following votes have been received through July 21st:

"Andrew M. Dunn" <amdunn@mongrel.uucp>
"Benjamin P. Wing" <bpwing@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
"Bob Palmer" <ames!remlap.nosc.mil!bob>
"D. Brian Kimmel at home" <briank@kimbro.UUCP>
"Dan McDonald" <mcdonald@dallas.sil.org>
"David J. Fiander" <davidf@golem.uucp>
"Ellen K. Seebacher" <elle@midway.uchicago.edu>
"Eric M. Boehm" <boehme@unvax.union.edu>
"FLOWERS HARRY" <FLOWERS@memstvx1.memst.edu>
"Henrik Tougaard" <ht@datani.dk>
"Jonathan I. Kamens" <jik@pit-manager.MIT.EDU>
"Loren J. Miller" <MILLERL@WILMA.WHARTON.UPENN.EDU>
"Phil Tait" <ames!ged.gedlab.allied.com!b12635>
"Richard Chonak" <system@acad.wit.edu>
"Robert Eden - 0491" <daver!sun!cpvax.lonestar.org!robert>
"Terry Poot" <tp@mccall.com>
"Vincent D. Skahan" <vds7789@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com>
"William M. Perkins" <wmp@wperkins.uucp>
<ames!online.com!davego>
<jmalcolm@sura.net>
<killer@batgirl.cs.hut.fi>
<maf@dtek.chalmers.se>
<poul@nilu.no>
Alan Coopersmith <alanc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU>
Alan Millar <amillar@bolis.sf-bay.org>
Andrew Raphael <raphael@research.canon.oz.au>
B.J.  07-Jul-1992 1527 <herbison@erlang.enet.dec.com>
Barry Margolin <barmar@Think.COM>
Bengt Larsson <bengtl@maths.lth.se>
Bob Boyd <rbn@ralph.rtpnc.epa.gov>
Bob Sloane <SLOANE@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
Brendan Kehoe <brendan@cs.widener.edu>
Cameron Spitzer 764-6339 <camerons@nad.3com.com>
Chetan Premani <ub-gate.UB.com!uunet!imtech.ernet.in!chetan>
Chris Newman <chrisn+@cmu.edu>
Chris Wood <chris@seismo.do.usbr.gov>
Christophe Wolfhugel <Christophe.Wolfhugel@univ-lyon1.fr>
Christopher Davis <ckd@eff.org>
Clifford A Adams <caadams@carina.unm.edu>
Curtis Williams <WILLIAMSCA%HIRAM@HIRAMB.BITNET>
Dan Schlitt <dan@sci.ccny.cuny.edu>
David Kressen <dkresse@sol.sol.CalState.EDU>
Doron Meyer <dem@cs.Princeton.EDU>
Duane.Day@corp.sun.com (Duane Day)
Edward M. Rynes - M.E.D./P.o.D. <rynes@slc3.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Elizabeth Zaenger <liz@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
Eric Hunt <bsc835!ehunt@uunet.UU.NET>
Evan Kirshenbaum <evan@hplerk.hpl.hp.com>
George William Herbert <gwh@soda.berkeley.edu>
Gerd Neugebauer <gerd@intellektik.informatik.th-darmstadt.de>
Guy Middleton <gamiddle@math.waterloo.edu>
Ian Dickinson <vato@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
J Lee Jaap <jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov>
JLM@SLACVM.SLAC.Stanford.EDU
James R. Ault <aultj@rpi.edu>
Jay Maynard <jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu>
Jeff@digtype.airage.com (Jeff Wasilko)
Joe Hamlin <hamlin@afit.af.mil>
John A. Murphy <jam@philabs.philips.com>
John G Dobnick <jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu>
John Schmitz <schmitz@scd.hp.com>
Jonathan Kruger <jon@socrates.umd.edu>
Juergen Christoffel <jc@slim.gmd.de>
Jyrki Kuoppala <jkp@cs.hut.fi>
Kari Sutela <sutela@utu.fi>
Kelly Derek Deyoe <kd2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Ken Connelly - VAX System Manager <CONNELLY@iscsvax.uni.edu>
Ken Kutz<kutz@andy.bgsu.edu>
Kurki Teemu <grus@funet.fi>
Lazlo Nibble <lazlo@triton.unm.edu>
Lord Yak Da Hairy <johny@cogs.sussex.ac.uk>
Marc Moorcroft <smarry@zooid.guild.org>
Marc VanHeyningen <mvanheyn@silky.cs.indiana.edu>
Marcia Bednarcyk <mlb@cisco.com>
Marco S Hyman <marc@dumbcat.sf.ca.us>
Mark.McIntosh@sirius.UVic.CA
Matt Hucke <hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Matthew Farwell <dylan@ibmpcug.co.uk>
Michael Bryan <michael@resonex.com>
Mike Fessler <MIKEF@BROWNVM.brown.edu>
Mike Whitaker <MIKEW@sdl.mdcbbs.com>
Neil W Rickert <rickert@cs.niu.edu>
Odd Einar Aurbakken <oea@nac.no>
Patricia O Tuama <rissa@cs.uchicago.edu>
Paul Poh <ppoh@amethyst.tcs.tufts.edu>
Paul Sears (Sys Admin) <sears@flower.egr.uh.edu>
Rafi Sadowsky <rafi@tavor.openu.ac.il>
Richard Childers <rchilder@us.oracle.com>
Rob McMahon <cudcv@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Roland Kaltefleiter <kaltef@theo-physik.uni-kiel.dbp.de>
Ross Ridge <ross@zooid.guild.org>
SYSTEM@eagle.navsses.navy.mil
Samuel Edward Greenfield <sg3y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Saul Tannenbaum <SAUL_SY@hnrc.tufts.edu>
Scott (S.T.) Darlington <SCOTTD@BNR.CA>
Shane Davis <shane@utdallas.edu>
Stefan Linnemann <Stefan.Linnemann@cri.leidenuniv.nl>
Steve Clements <clements@u.washington.edu>
Steve Watt -- KD6GGD <steve@wattres.SJ.CA.US>
Tapani Tarvainen <tt@tarzan.jyu.fi>
Tim Hunter <tim@refuge.Colorado.EDU>
Walt Howard <howard@ee.utah.edu>
Warren-Matthew@CS.YALE.EDU (Matthew S. "Opie" Warren)
a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com
adams@spss.com
agsxv@cncsiris.inre.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
alan@ernest.dseg.ti.com (Alan Edmonds)
alanb@vexcel.com (Alan Baxter)
alexis@panix.com (Alexis Rosen)
ambar@cygnus.com (Jean Marie Diaz)
amdcad!osc!jgk@uunet.UU.NET (Joe Keane)
ames!gatech!bagend!jan (Jan Isley)
andy@homebase.vistachrome.com (Andy Finkenstadt)
bailey@hagar.ph.utexas.edu (Ed Bailey)
barr@darwin.psu.edu (David Barr)
betsys@ra.cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
bochner@das.harvard.edu
bogstad@blaze.cs.jhu.edu (Bill Bogstad)
brad@raven.uucp (Brad Nelson)
ccs@aberystwyth.ac.uk
cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Cary Timar)
cdr@kpc.com (Carl Rigney)
charleen@ads.com (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
chisnall@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz (The Technicolour Throw-up)
chogan@maths.tcd.ie
chris@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Chris Jacobson)
claris!vsbbs!nobody (Michael Whitson)
cld@wucs1.wustl.edu (Christopher L. Davis)
crowfix!felix@uunet.UU.NET (Felix Finch)
d90-two@nada.kth.se
dave@jato.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Dave Hayes)
dhb@felonious.ssd.ray.com
dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon)
dmidkiff@logdis1.oo.aflc.af.mil (Dan Midkiff;OO-ALC/TIDTA;)
dpkemp@afterlife.ncsc.mil (David P. Kemp)
draphsor@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson)
drl@vuse.vanderbilt.edu
dvb@eis.com (David Van Beveren)
eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew)
eastick@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Doug Eastick)
eggert@twinsun.com (Paul Eggert)
elandal@unidex.pp.fi (Ismo Peltonen)
electro!carlo@watcgl.waterloo.edu (Carlo Sgro)
emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
eps@toaster.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)
erodrigu@dcc.uchile.cl (Eduardo Rodriguez S.)
fenner@cmsun.cmf.nrl.navy.mil
fk@rci.dk (Flemming Kraglund)
fpb@ittc.wec.com (Frank P. Bresz)
frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
gdha@se.alcbel.be (Gratien D'haese)
geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
geta@saathi.ernet.in (Ms. Geetanjali Sampemane)
gjb@bullit.void.oz.au (Greg Black)
grabiner@zariski.harvard.edu (David Grabiner)
grether@cvt11.verfahrenstechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Grether Bernd (sorescu))
gritton@alaska.et.byu.edu (Jamie Gritton)
gruendl@astro.UMD.EDU
gvantrie@atl.ge.com
hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
hagar@hagki.toppoint.de (Oliver Fink)
hansk@aie.nl (Hans Kinwel)
heath@blaze.cs.jhu.edu
heiko@chico.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Heiko Schlichting)
heinau@groucho.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Vera Heinau)
hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eiji Hirai)
hodgen@davis.uni-koblenz.de (Wayne Hodgen)
huff@MCCLB0.MED.NYU.EDU (Edward J. Huff)
jba@ruc.dk (Jan Bruun Andersen)
jbuck@ohm.Berkeley.EDU (Joe Buck)
jeff@onion.rain.com (Jeff Beadles)
jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods)
jh@nbn.com (John Harkin)
jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson)
jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
jml4@cus.cam.ac.uk (John Line)
jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith)
john@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (John Blasik)
jra@bonito.wti.com (Jim Atkinson)
jumper@spf.trw.com (Greg Jumper)
ken@visix.com (Ken Mayer)
kennard@ohm.Berkeley.EDU (Kennard White)
kevin@bullwinkle.ssc.gov (Kevin Dunn)
kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
kyle@wendy-fate.uu.net
lampman%heurikon.UUCP@moose.heurikon.com (Ray Lampman)
lcz@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (Lee Ziegenhals)
lendl@cosy.sbg.ac.at (Otmar Lendl)
lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden, x2487)
marier@blkcmb.zso.dec.com
marmoset@mondo.engin.umich.edu (Dave Walker)
mbm@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Malcolm Mladenovic)
mcb@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch)
mistik@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us (Mustafa Soysal)
mjforres@mailbox.syr.edu (Maurice Forrester)
molenda@s1.msi.umn.edu
msb@sq.com (Mark Brader)
negaard@aero.org
nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
news@cs.rulimburg.nl
news@wolves.durham.nc.us (The Wolfe of the Den)
nreadwin@micrognosis.co.uk
nrp@csug.cs.rdg.ac.uk ("Complacent import defusers" Neilski)
pearsodc@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
per@erix.ericsson.se (Per Hedeland)
pierre@kaboom.PRPA.Philips.COM (Pierre Uszynski)
pshuang@Athena.MIT.EDU
raj@zycad.com (Roger Lee - MP)
ralph@cup.portal.com
rick@CRICK.SSCTR.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
rjbarbal@MIT.EDU
roger@prosun.first.gmd.de (Roger Holst)
root@ptdcs2.intel.com (System PRIVILEGED Account)
rsalz@osf.org
russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
rv@cs.brown.edu (rodrigo vanegas)
schroede@asf.com (Mike Schroeder)
scott@sousa.ltn.dec.com (Scott Robinson)
scott@zorch.sf-bay.org (Scott Hazen Mueller)
scs@adam.mit.edu (Steve Summit)
sdpage@andersen.co.uk (Stephen Page)
seggers@semyam.dinoco.de (Stefan Eggers)
sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
shrdlu@willow.sdd.trw.com (Lynda L. True)
shuvam@jogin.cse.iitb.ernet.in (shuvam misra)
srogers@tad.eds.com (Steve Rogers)
ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar)
stu@valinor.mythical.com (Stu Labovitz)
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tgt@cbfsa.att.com
til!erik@uunet.UU.NET (Erik Horstkotte)
tim@animal.gcs.co.nz (Tim Frost)
tim@ben.dciem.dnd.ca
tnc!m0039@uunet.uu.net
tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBari)
toontown!ucda@sequent.com (Chris Andersen)
tpm@anat.UMSMED.EDU (Terence P. Ma)
trinkle@cs.purdue.edu
tsdavies@mailbox.syr.edu (Real life?  Ha!)
ub-gate.UB.com!uunet!moore.com!paul (Paul Maclauchlan)
ub-gate.UB.com!uunet!tc.fluke.COM!moriarty (Jeff Meyer)
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wrc@cs.rit.edu (Warren R Carithers)
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