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From: paulm@meaddata.com (Paul Marchant)
Subject: Probert
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:37:15 GMT
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In article <1685FB2E4.SGLENN@cmsa.gmr.com>, SGLENN@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
|> 
|> Here's a look at some of the players that will be fighting for a spot in
|> training camp:
|> 
|> [stuff deleted]
|> 

|> OUTLOOK:  The offense has lots of scorers as it did last year, with the
|> addition of Ciccarelli.  Probert will get more time out of the penalty box
|> with the new instigator rule (for the record, last year Probert got 0
                                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> instigator penalties).  If Gallant is healthy and can return to his old form
,  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hey, we said it last year on the net and there were some that did not
believe us. Probert of late is not the Probert of old. 0 instigator
penalties is a MAJOR accomplishment. Way to go Bob!

Thanks for the GREAT new Scott.

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From: leone@buckaroo.WPI.EDU (David M Leone)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Edmonton's Goalies
Date: 15 Sep 1992 02:06:48 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Greetings, can anybody tell me about Bill Ranford's status as a player?
I thought he was a free agent this offseason, but I haven't heard a
thing about him.
From: mikem@beanpot.ma30.bull.com (Mike Machnik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Must be fun being a Bruins fan!!!
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:57:11 GMT
Reply-To: mikem@beanpot.ma30.bull.com (Mike Machnik)
Organization: Bull Worldwide Information Systems

In article <1992Sep14.183632.17172@cc.umontreal.ca>, iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA
(Iacurto Paul) writes:
|>- have never had a great American born player

Some people considered Janney among the best players in the league.

The problem is not that they don't have great American born players.  It is
that they pass the top local players (Roenick, Stevens, McEachern, Amonte)
over so that they can draft guys who will hit and score about 20 points
a season.  The Bruins are the guys who should know the most about these
kids since they're in the B's backyard and the kids would give anything to
wear the black and gold, yet the Bruins pass them up.

It is true that the best Boston players have almost exclusively been
Canadians.  Boston has been dominated by Americans throughout the 80s and
early 90s, but the key players on the team have been Canadian.

|>- cheapest GM in hockey

Don't blame Harry.  Blame the Jacobs.  Money-wise, Harry does the best he
can with what he's allowed.  Do you know how shocked people here were when
the B's made that offer to Stevens?  They didn't get him, but just the fact
that they made the offer was something.  Harry deserves credit for getting
the Jacobs to open their wallets a little for that one.

At least pick the things Bruins fans will agree with:

- Too many men in 1979 (still, Les Habs were a better team)
- Leach's 5 goals in 76 leads Flyers to victory
- Sittler's 10 points in 76
- Little or no depth compared to the top teams in NHL (Cups are won by the
  3rd & 4th lines)
- Small Garden ice distorts team's view of hockey and forces them to
  sign physical players who can't shoot the puck into the ocean
- Continuing "New Garden" saga into its third decade

But however many things you come up with...the B's still do not come
anywhere near the Red Sox.
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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Penguins '92-'93
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:03:42 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <92252.155803RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>  Hi all you Penguins fans and non fans (the ones that hate our team.)  Hey,
>  After all, we are the two-time defending Stanley Cup Champions.
              ^^^^^^^^^
Yes,you paid those guys to win the Cup in the last two years but your
name is not inscribed on it,so quit speaking as if it is. It reads like
second grade essay and looks like a clear example of soon-upcoming Pens
woofing in this newsgroup. 

-PPV Mark

PS. Gary,the classes are indeed underway....:-)
Organization: Sophomore, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Tue,  8 Sep 1992 15:34:18 -0400 
From: "Derrick J. Brashear" <db74+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: east coast league question - louisville

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.hockey: 2-Sep-92 east coast league
question .. by Stacey Ross@cdc001.austi 
>From: sross@cdc001.austin.ibm.com (Stacey Ross)
>Subject: east coast league question - louisville
>Date: 2 Sep 92 20:01:02 GMT
> 
>I am a student at the university of louisville on a co-op in austin, tx.
>I have enjoyed louisville Icehawks games for quite some time. I heard a 
>rumor that the Icehawks franchise went under. Is that true?
> 
>I would appreciate a response on the newsgroup, I have no email access. thanks
>.
> 
>and my editor's acting weird, I don't usually type in all lower case...
> 
> 
>                                                        Stace
To the best of my knowledge the Louisville team still exists. Perhaps
someone else knows a bit more? Please send (or at least Carbon-Copy) all
followups to the rec.sport.hockey group if you can.

-D


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From: broger@bnr.ca (Roger Balakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Ottowa Roster Question
Reply-To: broger@bnr.ca (Roger Balakrishnan)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 15:38:39 GMT

Yup, Brian Downey is attending the camp of the
Ottawa Senators.


roger
From: SGLENN@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Red Wings - Training Camp
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:43:16 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs


Here's a look at some of the players that will be fighting for a spot in
training camp:

DEFENSE:
VETERANS:  Howe, McCrimmon, Chaisson, Racine, Konstantinvo, Lidstrom
FIGHTING FOR SPOT:
  - Dennis Vial - traded to Quebec for $1 before the expansion draft,
    then re-acquired this week for future considerations.  Vial adds
    toughness to the team.
  - Bobby Dollas - Played well in the playoffs for Adirondack.  Was up
    with Detroit from time to time last season.
  - Dimitri Motkov - 6'3" defenseman who played with the Red Army last
    year.  May need a season in Adirondack.
  - Serge Anglehart - If he's ever healthy he could challenge for a spot.
GONE:  Brad Marsh, Bob McGill, Doug Crossman
OUTLOOK:  Murray wanted to add another tough, scoring defenseman.  He was
looking a Dave Manson...still a possibility.  With the current roster, there
is a good blend of youth and experience.

CENTERS:
VETERANS:  Carson, Federov, Yzerman
OTHERS:
    - Mike Sillinger - Looked good playing at the end of last season, but
                       lots competition at center.
    - Slava Kozlov - First full season back after sitting out most of last
                     season injured.  May be converted to Wing.
    - Dallas Drake - Signed as a free agent out of Northern Michigan.  Murray
                     seems quite high on him.
GONE:  Kevin Miller

WINGS:
VETERANS:  Probert, Burr, Ysebeart, Sheppard, Ciccarelli, Gallant
FIGHTING FOR SPOT:
   - Troy Crowder - Once again - INJURED....it is doubtful he'll be at camp.
   - Keith Primeau - Murray has said that many teams were interested in him,
                     but he wants to keep him and feels he will develop into
                     a very solid player.
   - Martin LaPointe - May need a season in Adirondack but should have a good
                       future with the Wings.
   - Brent Fedyk - Will be fighting hard for a position with the younger
                   players.
   - Sheldon Kennedy - Has his time passed?  Murray has said that he must
                       have an excellent camp to make the team.
GONE:  Alan Kerr
OUTLOOK:  The offense has lots of scorers as it did last year, with the
addition of Ciccarelli.  Probert will get more time out of the penalty box
with the new instigator rule (for the record, last year Probert got 0
instigator penalties).  If Gallant is healthy and can return to his old form,
it will help that much more.

GOALIES:
Cheveldae - Still hasn't signed new contract, but will be at camp and the #1
            goalie.
Reindeau - If he stays healthy, what a 1-2 combination in goalies.
Bester - Played great at Adirondack in the playoffs.  If either of the top
2 get injured, should be able to fill in.


BTW, I did this on the fly so if I left anyone out, let me know...

-Scott
From: am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Mario's Millions.
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:05:17 GMT
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Regarding Mario Lemieux, David Leslie writes:

>He may not be worth 6 million on the ice, but he surely is worth 6 
>million to the franchaise. Consider the impact he has on ticket sales,
>merchandising, and general media attention. How many millions would
>Ottawa, or Tampa pay for him? He is the kind of player that can make
>a franchaise profitable, not to mention a winner! 

This is an excellent point.  There's a distinct possibility that Pittsburgh
would no longer have a professional hockey team if Mario hadn't arrived on
the scene.  I lived through years of threats of having the team moved
in the pre-Mario years.  

When Mario began to have back problems, people joked about how it hurts
because he carried the team on it all those years.  While he is certainly
still the big draw, it's reasurring (to me, at least) to see other players
having a big impact on the public.  After witnessing crowd reaction at
the team practice yesterday, most notably to Jagr, Ulf, Stevens, Tocchet,
and Francis, I realized this moreso than during the regular season (when
criticism runs high!).

I'm not an AVID Lemieux fan.  I like him a lot, and I've seen him do
things that seem impossible, but I criticize him too.  Part of it is
probably simply taking him for granted because I see him all the time,
and expecting him to be super-human game in and game out.  (I think, too,
many of us tend to forget that hockey players are human beings.  Seeing
Mario yesterday, playing without a helmet and seeing him laughing and
chasing his team's coach around the ice, kind of brought this reality
to light for me.)  And even though I'm often critical of him,  I would
never ever discount his importance to the organization or
to hockey in general.  I believe that I might not have a team to support
without him.  To me, that's worth six million dollars.  

Mom.
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From: rwkirk@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT WALTER KIRK)
Subject: Rangers Fan
Originator: rwkirk@c00356-247dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: rwkirk@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT WALTER KIRK)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 03:32:31 GMT


Does anyone know what the results were for the rookie of the year balloting? 
I know Pavel Bure won, but where did people like Tony Amonte and Nicklas 
Lidstrom finish? Also, if you're a Rangers fan, let's talk. I'm from north New
Jersey originally but I'm living in Raleigh, North Carolina now and i'm 
virtually cut off from the hockey world (until ESPN games start running).
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From: bks@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse)
Subject: Re: Lindros and Rheaume notes
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:34:01 GMT
Summary: Manon in practice

In article <1992Sep15.130552.15166@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:
> 
> They showed some clips of Manon Rheaume on our local ABC affiliate,
> (one of which was a press conference...I know why Playboy offered her
> some money now...Al and the boys were commenting on that as well)
> and it's been announced that she will play against Minnesota this
> weekend. Go get 'em Manon!

In two scrimmages on Sunday, one short and one long, she made 14 saves on
14 shots including a penalty shot.  In the 45 minute scrimmage, she gave
up 3 goals on 28 shots including one goal that should of been disallowed
because of a goal mouth pile up.

The fans have totally been behind her and she will be given a legitimate chance
to show her stuff against the North Stars.

Phil Esposito said her only weakness is her stickwork around the net and 
behind the net simply because of her inexperience and tentativeness.


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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: trivia
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 15:09:45 GMT

How many players have won the Hart Trophy
and are NOT in the Hall of Fame? (of those who are eligible for the Hall)

[you don't have to name them]
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: SHARKS Training Camp Notes
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 22:10:01 GMT

Center Ray Whitney is progressing slowly in his recovery from surgery, but
said that he expects to fully recover by the beginning of the season.  Whitney
had off-season surgery to remove bone spurs, which had given him troubles the
past two seasons, from both of his heels.  Whitney left yesterday's practice
25 minutes early.  Whitney scored 90 points in 63 games with the San Diego
Gulls of the IHL last season.

Goalie Dan Ryder, who has an infection when he had a plantar wart removed from
his foot, was held out of practice yesterday.

Center Jeff McLean aggravated a sprained ankle during practice and will be
sidelined for 3-5 days.

In yesterday's scrimmage, David Bruce had two goals and an assist to lead his
team to a 6-5 victory.  Dale Craigwell, Dean Evason, Pat Falloon, and Troy
Frederick were the other scorers for the winning team.

===============================================================================
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Go for Next Year! :-(
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Ray Whitney for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
	Pat Falloon for Hart! :-) Neil Wilkinson for Norris!  ('92-'93)
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: Sharks vs. Kings at Arco Arena?
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:59:46 GMT

In article J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM, J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM () writes:
>If the Sharks and Kings are playing in Sacramento, it's a pre-season game.

Right you are.  It's Sunday, September 27.  I don't know what time, and
I don't have ticket information...call the Arco Arena for details.

>Does anyone know if the Sharks games in Sacramento (or any "neutral-site" game)
>are included in the season ticket package?

They are not.  The season ticket holders received an order form a
couple of weeks ago to buy seats in advance.

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From: catcher@netcom.com (Paul W. Francisco)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Pens news 9/4
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:41:10 GMT
Organization: Night People

In article <4efSrp600UhW41Klk2@andrew.cmu.edu> Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>>   Pssst! We DON'T want a mascot!
>
>Too bad.  We're getting one.  You can ignore it the same way we
>ignore Elvis and Jay Caufield.

So name the mascot Elvis.  That way you can ignore two birds with
one non-thought.  You'll also have an additional reason to cheer
when they announce that Elvis has left the building.  :-)

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From: layfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Colin Layfield)
Subject: Mario's Millions.
Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:17:23 GMT

I just heard on the radio Mario Lemieux is about to sign a 7 year 42 Million
Dollar contract.  Does this make him the 6 million dollar man?

This guy is NOT worth 6 million a year.  I find this really ironic when the
owners were crying poor during the strikes.

Is there any truth to this report?  If so, there is going to be some very
unhappy pens.

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From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Wierd Dream...
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:50:52 GMT

Had a really strange dream last night...  (but then, I seem to
specialize in wierd dreams)

I was a reporter interviewing Manon Rheaume for my newspaper.  (I don't
work for a newspaper, I'm not a reporter, and I don't even play one on
TV.)  She was telling me all about how much she enjoyed the backup
goaltender job for the Lightning.  (So she made it!  I don't remember
who got the starting job, though.)

It's really strange...I don't know much about her at all; I've only
read one article about her in THN, and that was way back last year
sometime.

Just call me Nostradamus, I guess...

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From: simpson@bnr.ca (Scott Simpson)
Subject: Re: Ottowa Roster Question
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:01:57 GMT

In article <92253.184809IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> The illustrius Pat Ellis (the DM) <IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>I just read the posted roster for the Senators but I do have a
>question/ or perhaps a comment.  I read today in my school paper
>that Brian Downey, one of our all time best forward (I'm from
>Maine by the way) had signed a free agent contract and would be
>at training camp.  Can any Senators fan confirm this?  If so I'd
>like to know, thanks....
>                            Pat Ellis

Just called the team and they do confirm he was invited to camp, and he will, 
indeed, be attending.  They also said he has been offered a contract, but they
wouldn't confirm that he has signed it yet.

Ooooh, I love having information at my fingertips...

Later,

Moose
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From: au021@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Roland Behunin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Anybody know if pre-season games to be televised?
Date: 15 Sep 1992 17:20:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I could use any info on what pre season games will be televised.

Post here, or email me.

thanks 
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From: bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down)
Subject: Re: Red Wings
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:09:37 GMT

SGLENN@cmsa.gmr.com writes:


>After my first posting about the Wings Training Camp, a new player
>showed up in camp....John Ogrodnick.  After being released by the Rangers,
>he is looking to catch on with a team and is hoping to earn a spot on the
>team.

I've never understood why Ogrodnick was treated so shoddily by
the Rangers. Wasn't he amoung their leading scorers two years
ago?? Didn't he have to fight to get a contract from them last
year?? At least they were good enough to release him.

He might not make it on the Wings because they have to fit in 
a pile of youngsters, but I wouldn't count him out.

I find it interesting that he would surface
in Detroit. If he were just looking for a job, I'm sure he would
have called Bridgeman in Ottawa or Esposito in Tampa. They need
talent more than Detroit does.

Brian Down (bdown@vis.toronto.edu)
From: chrisq@wpi.WPI.EDU (Chris Quaranta)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Bruins' pre-camp notes
Date: 12 Sep 1992 14:07:07 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <15026@mindlink.bc.ca> Gordon_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Gordon Wong) writes:
>> Mark Shneyder writes:
>> 
>> As for the 1st pick,Dmitri Kvartalnov, according to Milbury the one-way
>> contract issue has been worked out and all that remains now is money
>> and length of the deal. Kvartalnov's agent indicated that the offer
>> from Switzerland is a definite possibility if no deal can be struck
>> with the B's.
>> 
>
>
>I was reading the Hockey News and they said that since Sinden has received no
>response from the Dmitri K camp regarding Sinden's "final offer", Sinden has
>withdrawn his final offer.

Latest news from this morning's, 9-12-92, Boston Herald says that Dmitri has
until Sunday to accept the Bruin's current proposal.  It's reported to be a
"good" short-term offer w/ lots of bonuses and incentives built in.  As for
the Glen Wesley situation, the stalemate continues with the B's offering about
$550,000 a year and Wesley looking for about $800,000 per season.  No one else
has been interested in Wesley to my klnowledge so I'd say Glen will be back
by the begining of the season or shortly thereafter.  But it wouldn't be the 
first time I was wrong....

-chris

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