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From: rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Karen Mantler
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:34:12 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


I was in a used CD store last night and saw two ECM/Watt releases by Karen
Mantler, daughter of Carla Bley and Michael Mantler.  Both were actually
credited to "Karen Mantler and her Cat Arnold". ??????  Personnel included
folks from the usual Bley/Mantler/Watt talent pool.  One was a whopping $2, the
other $5. If I had had an extra $7 in my pocket I would have bought them just
out of curiosity. Anyone heard these, are they any good?



					Brian Rost @rgb.enet.dec.com

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From: jul@iesd.auc.dk (Thomas Jul Jensen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Earl Klugh Music
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:31:10 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
Bcc: jul

In article <1992Apr11.204633.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fscll@acad3.alaska.edu (Chris Lott) writes:

   I just bought the Earl Klugh Trio, vol. 1 and think it is great... 

   can anyone point me to what they feel is Klugh's best work so that
   I can find it? Being a guitarist I am especially interested in his
   best guitar work, but any overall comments suggestions are welcome... 

I'm not a guitarist, but I like E.K. very much though. I like CRAZY
FOR YOU the best, but also I also listen a lot to WISHFULL THINKING. I
have one more of his albums called SODA FOUNTAIN SHUFFLE. It's OK too,
but it is not as good as the other two. If you want the numbers of the
albums, I can mail them on request.


- jul
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From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: Mingus, "New Tijuana Moods" (who plays on it?)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:28:03 GMT

In <3323@equinox.unr.edu> alan@sierra.unr.edu (Alan McKay) writes:

>Who plays on NTM? In particular, I'd be interested to know who played
>sax 
 
  Curtis Porter (aka Shafi Hadi) on alto

and trombone 

  Jimmy Knepper

others:  Clarence Shaw: trumpet
         Bill Triglia:  piano
         Danny Richmond: drums
         Frankie Dunlop: percussion
         Ysabel Morel: castanets (and assume the inspiration for the
                       tune Ysabel's Table Dance)
         Lonnie Elder: voices
   
Stan Jones (sjones@carleton.ca)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 14:53:24 EDT
From: Karl Nordstrom <KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject:    Night in Tunesia / Interlude

When was Dizzy Gilespie's Interlude, (Night in Tunesia) first recorded?
Was it originaly Havana before Tunesia?
Which lp did the famous Charlie Parker explosive rif first appear on?
From: fzcapit@MIZAR.UCDAVIS.EDU (John Capitanio)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Kansas City Blues clubs?
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:01:24 GMT
Reply-To: fzcapit@MIZAR.UCDAVIS.EDU
Organization: University of California, Davis


I'm expecting to be in KC early in June.  Anybody have any leads on
blues clubs in the city?  How about hot bands to keep an eye
out for?  Thanks for any help.

Please EMAIL replies.

John Capitanio
jpcapitanio@ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: Mingus, "New Tijuana Moods" (who plays on it?)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:00:07 GMT

In <1992Apr13.170719.17569@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> mingus@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Damballah Wedo) writes:

>> sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones) (in <sjones.702829683@cunews>):
>> [ lineup to the album deleted ] 
>>          Ysabel Morel: castanets (and assume the inspiration for the
>>                        tune Ysabel's Table Dance)

>Ysabel Morel may have provided the *name* to "Ysabel's Table Dance".
>The *inspiration* for the tune was a trip Mingus and Dannie Richmond
>took to Tijuana and its sex palaces in the summer of 1957. See Brian
>Priestley's book for details. This trip may or may not have been the
>source of the BENEATH THE UNDERDOG anecdote that has Mingus doing it
>with 23 different women, one after the other, and then "doing it to
>[him]self because none of them could satisfy [him]."
>-- 

Mingus himself - in the notes to Tijuana Moods says:

   Ysabel's Tabel Dance sums up all we could buy in Tijuana.  It
   includes the farout strip tease -- spots in the music played by
   the piano represent the scantily clad woman spinning from table
   to table, reaching her hand out for tips, bills or what-have-you.

What I assumed, probably unwarrantedly, was that the scantily clad
woman also played castanets.  So the question is: Who is Ysabel Morel?

By the way, Mingus describes the women in the notes, as well:

    It actually ends in a contest between Danny [Richmond] and
    myself to see who could outdo whom in Tijuana's tequila-wine-
    women-song-and-dance.  Danny lost: he was very hungry; I was
    starved.

Stan Jones (sjones@carleton.ca)          ()
Centre for the Study of Adult Literacy  |\/|
Carleton University                     o  o
Ottawa, Ontario                         |  |
K1S 5B6                                  \/
From: brian@grot.ca41.csd.mot.com (Brian Smithson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Jon Hendricks in White Men Can't Jump
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:09:58 GMT
Organization: Brian Smithson

Did anyone else notice Jon Hendricks (of Lambert, Hendricks, and {Ross|Bevan})
in the current movie "White Men Can't Jump"?  He was one of the Venice Beach
Boys, or so I think they were called.  Were any of the others notable?
I didn't recognize the names or voices.

For that matter, are there other unexpected treats in other movies out
there?  You know, like Miles Davis as one of the parking lot attendants 
in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off"? (just kidding :-)

-- 
-Brian Smithson
 Motorola Inc., Computer Group, Commercial Systems Division
 2001 Logic Drive, San Jose, CA 95124 USA, (408)369-4104
 brian@csd.mot.com, {apple | pyramid}!motcsd!brian
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From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: Chick Corea Question
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 18:45:24 GMT

gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:

>ebaddour@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>>[...] I have some of his earlier stuff (for example, the songs of 
>>singing) that leads me to believe the man must have been doing some 
>>heavy drugs.....

>Nat, you're stepping heavily on many toes here.  I am one of those who
>believe that Chick Corea's best work was done before the k-bands
>(akoustic & elektrik, or however he spelled them.)  Whether or not
>drugs were involved (I don't know nor care) -- the trio works like
>NOW HE SINGS and TRIO MUSIC, and the Braxton/Holland CIRCLE projects
>are among his more adventurous and more beautiful.  

Being one of those whose toes were stepped on :-), I have to agree with
Gidi here. (I also own just about all the "outside" Corea projects from
the '60s and early '70s, and none of his records from after '72, so there.) 

Why is it, when many people hear a piece of music that they consider
"weird", that they immediately assume the musicians were "on some
heavy drugs"? When I hear music (or read fiction, or see film) that
doesn't do anything for me, I'm perfectly willing to concede that the
musician knows what s/he's doing but I'm having problems following her/him.
(This is not to imply that there are not instances where it's quite
clear the musician doesn't know what s/he's doing.)

Bill
From: deeds@sed170.HAC.COM ( Dean Deeds)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: L.A. jazz history info NEEDED!
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:12:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: hacgate.21200
Reply-To: deeds@sed170.UUCP ( Dean Deeds)
Distribution: world, rec, usa
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

In article <ku3nnnINNpcc@west.west.sun.com> jimh@ism.isc.com (jim hori) writes:
>One person who seems to know about this period is a DJ named Will Thornberry.
.....
>If you are in Southern California, I think Will can be reached through the
>jazz/blues public radio station KLON. Unfortunately, I've lost touch with
>him, and more unfortunately, I know he is ill, but if he is able to help,
>I'm sure he would be happy to provide you with information.

Unhappily, I heard on KLON last night that he passed away.


-- Dean Deeds
	deeds@sed170.hac.com
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From: ochikubo@mamacass.etdesg.trw.com (Craig F. Ochikubo)
Subject: Re: Chick-Round II
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 16:04:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.011934.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> ebaddour@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>First, I have to apologize if I offended anyone on my passing, JOKING 
....
>       I think I've blithered on long enough..... any takers???
>					NAT
>              (forgive me, Charlie Parker, wherever you are....)

I would try and find now he sings now he sobs, I like that album a lot.  I
feel like it is more adventerous than the akoustic band stuff, and it still
sounds like 'bop.
From: zlsiimw@mcchpc.mcc.ac.uk (Mark Whidby)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Dave Holland
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:02:33 GMT
Reply-To: M.Whidby@mcc.ac.uk
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1992Apr14.200232.9255@nic.unh.edu>, tcw@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy C Webb) writes:
|> In article <SMEHTA.92Apr14134242@kwela.nynexst.Com> smehta@nynexst.com writes:
|> >> william sadler <wsadler@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
|> >> Can you post all of his albums as leader?
|> >
|> >This is only what I have. The Berger and Rivers dates are co-led. 
|> >As a leader:
|> >Berger, Karl - Transit (w/ Holland, Blackwell)           (Black Saint 1987, CD)
|> >Holland, Dave - Conference Of The Birds                          (ECM 1973, CD)
|> >Holland, Dave - Jumpin' In                                       (ECM 1984, CD)
|> >Holland, Dave - Seeds Of Time                                    (ECM 1985, CD)
|> >Holland, Dave - The Razor's Edge                                 (ECM 1987, CD)
|> >Holland, Dave - Triplicate                                       (ECM 1988, CD)
|> >Holland, Dave - Extensions                                       (ECM 1990, CD)
|> >Rivers, Sam - Vol. 2 w/ Dave Holland                             (IAI 1977, LP)
|> 
|>   He also did a solo bass album (I think around 1976) called Emerald Tears.

There was also a solo cello album on ECM entitled 'Life Cycle' (of which I
have a signed copy :-) ). Other ones that I know about are two duets, one with
Barre Phillips, 'Music from two basses' (ECM) and the other with Derek Bailey,
'Improvisations for cello and guitar' (ECM).  These latter two are quite old
now but 'Life Cycle' was out sometime in the early-mid 80s I think. 
-- 
_____________________________________________________________
Mark Whidby, Distributed Systems, Manchester Computing Centre
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From: wildman@athena.mit.edu (Timothy Worsley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Request for Zorn discography
Summary: I want a Zorn discography
Keywords: discography request Zorn
Date: 17 Apr 92 04:19:23 GMT
Reply-To: eprice@sql.sybase.com
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr16.210643.23026@csrd.uiuc.edu> hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:

>Probably a good time to trot out the "different Zorn projects" list:
>
>early '80s     non-idiomatic free improv (Pool and a few other records
>               on Parachute; Yankees with George Lewis and Derek Bailey
>               on Celluloid is a nice session from this period)
>
>mid '80s       improv games and scripts, postmodern references :-). Spillane,
>               Big Gundown, Godard ca vous chant, a piece on Hal Willmer's
>               Kurt Weill record, Cobra
>
>late '80s      consolidation of improv games into Naked City. Painkiller.
>               Slan.
>
>misc. projects bebop deconstructions (Lulus, Sonny Clark Memorial 4-tet),
>               Spy vs. Spy, plays with Nicholas Collins, Butch Morris
>               (superb Zorn solo on Current Trends in Racism) and just
>               about everybody else...
>

Very interesting; thanks!

But what I'd _really_ like to see is a Zorn discography...  does
anyone have one?  A year or two ago I looked through a catalog from
the "New Music Distribution Service" and found the following items by
Zorn or with Zorn appearing on them:

A Classic Guide To Strategy     Lumina 010
Tresspass                       Lumina 011
Godard Ca Vous Chant?           Nato 634
Deadly Weapons                  Nato 950
Point Blank                     No Mans Land 8506
The Golden Palominos            OAO/Celluloid 5002
Yankees                         OAO/Celluloid 5006
Control Songs                   Recommended (German) "Review 95"
Locus Solus                     Rift 7
Simple Facts                    Theater For Your Mother 04
Gangro Island                   Yukon 2101
The World And The Raw People    Zoar 12

Unfortunately, I think the NMDS went out of business at about the time
I found out about them...  (Can anyone shed any light on this?  They
were at 500 Broadway in NYC, if I remember correctly.)

If no-one can come up with a definitive source for a Zorn discography
I would be just as happy if those who have things to add to the above
list would either post them or email them to me (and I'll summarize
the findings to the net).

Thanks, etc.
-Ed Price
eprice@sql.sybase.com

PS  I actually looked at the FAQ to see if there was perhaps an FTP
    site for discographies.  Guess not.
PPS Saw Naked City at the Marquee.  Awesome concert.  Also saw Zorn
    and Frith (and Eye) at the Knitting Factory the next night.  That
    was good too...  Went to see THE KILLER at the Angelica Film
    Center after that... MAN, I LOVE NYC!

Everything stated in this posting is the exact position of SYBASE with
the respect to the music of John Zorn and all other issues.  Really.
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From: goodrich@lynx.larc.nasa.gov (Mike Goodrich)
Subject: Re: Hip Chord Voicings
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:23:12 GMT


A good scale / chord combo that I find hip is a "jazz minor" up a 5th
over a dom 7th chord.  Where

	jazz minor =  corresponding major scale with a flatted 3rd.

Example: Over a G13 play the scale:

	D E F G A B C# 

Which a D jazz minor. Of course this is known by other enharmonic
descriptions, but I find this a relatively simple way to think of
this instead of "Lydian flat 7" and the like.


...mike
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From: smehta@kwela.nynexst.Com (Sandeep Mehta)
Subject: Re: Zorn
Reply-To: smehta@nynexst.com
Organization: Speech Technology, AI Lab, NYNEX S&T Inc, White Plains, NY
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:58:05


> gwl%wave3_1@MCNC.ORG (Glenn Lea) writes:

> It's time he decides which is more important: his music or his
> grossout sex-and-violence album covers.  I think he is a major
> musician and composer and I will buy just about anything he chooses to
> release, but if I have to pay import prices just so he can indulge his
> adolescent fantasies, I'll pass.  It's his loss, as well as mine.

I'm sorry I disagree with the covers *or* music approach. Remember
that Zorn is hardly the first person to run into the album covers
censorship problem (no I'm not referring to the 2 Live Crew stuff).
Fred Ho had to have his Soul Note album cover(s) censored because
they depicted scenes of labor exploitation of minorities and even
children -- ain't nothing grossed out about Chinese laborers slaving
on the railroad or slaving Filipino plantation workers or the faces
behind the barbed wire in Manzanar! I'm not running out and endorsing
the creativity adorning Zorn's covers; simply let the consumer of the
material decide which album doesn't appeal to him/her because of its
cover.

And why can we all rally behind Salman Rushdie or freedom of speech
in lyrics or free access for all on cable and not for album cover
"art" work???

> As for the "Sack of Shit/John Lurie's scrotum", grow up, John.  Your
> mama should wash your mouth out with soap.

Well at least you weren't the poor soul who received the spat out gum
from John "Fuck You, We're From Texas" Zorn last Sat night :-)

Maybe people should go and listen to Zappa In New York and then wash
his mouth out too...

/sandeep
--
smehta@nynexst.com
--
"An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs."
	-- Edgard Varese
From: CCPHIL@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU (Phil Leith)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Jimmy Rivers - Brisbane Bop live from the 23 club
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:42:26 GMT

I heard a story on Jimmy Rivers (and the Cherokees?) and this album they
did called "Brisbane Bop" I think in 1957...

Anyway, the stuff sounded real good.  Unfortunately, it's out of print.
I have no idea as to the availability... or if anyone's seen it used
around, but if anyone knows, I'd be interested in hearing from you.

                                     Phil Leith
ccphil@umcvmb.missouri.edu
From: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: RE: On to Tower... (Was: Random Thoughts - ROVA, Wire, New Stuff
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:03:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr8.220304.10227
Reply-To: rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

In article <9204081548.AA02149@wavetracer.com>, gwl%wave3_1@MCNC.ORG (Glenn Lea) writes:
>
>On to Tower...
>
>Yet another David Murray has surfaced on Red Baron...
>with some people I've never heard of.
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You may have missed the fact that Roy Haynes appears on that album--certainly 
he's not unfamiliar! :^)  I found that Marcus Belgrave, who plays trumpet on 
the new Murray also appears on Geri Allen's THE NURTURER and George Gruntz's 
THEATRE THE G.G. CONCERT JAZZ BAND '83.  The Murray looks interesting.  Has
anyone heard it yet?

>Also seen but not tasted:
>New Braxton Ensemble on Hat Art.
>New batch of probably-gray-market Euro live Miles CDs.
>New Scofield w/ Frisell, Haden, Joey Baron.
>--------------------------------------------------
>Glenn Lea - reply to gwl@wavetracer.com
>Wavetracer, Inc.

I spied a couple additional new releases at Tower in Cambridge:

John McLaughlin's QUE ALEGRIA with Trilok Gurtu and Dominique Di Piazza (Kai 
Eckhardt appears on one cut)--from what I've heard of this, it sounds much 
more exciting that McLaughlin's last release, LIVE AT THE ROYAL FESTIVAL HALL.

Tony Williams' THE STORY OF NEPTUNE with his working quintet: Wallace Roney, 
Bill Pierce, Mulgrew Miller and Ira Coleman.

-Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu)
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From: sue@berick.uucp (Sue Raul)
Subject: Dingo - the movie with Miles
Organization: Hacker's Delight, Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 00:27:04 GMT

Friday night, San Diego had it's only public showing of the movie
"Dingo" in which Miles Davis plays a "maturing" jazz trumpet player
named Billy Cross. The character seemed (to me) pretty much to be Miles.

Anyone else seen it?

*Warning if you haven't seen the movie yet and plan to, the
text below contains *spoilers*, so hit whatever it is you hit
to avoid spoilers if that's what you want to do.* 

(I put in extra spaces since I don't know if the ^L thing will work.)









































The central character is a young Australian, John "Dingo" Anderson,
who has dreams of playing trumpet with Billy Cross as a result of hearing
Billy Cross in a "fluke" performance when the group's plane landed
in "Nowhere, Australia" - Pool Flats (town name - I think) - Anderson's
home town.

Everyone grows up, Anderson gets married, has a Dingo catching business,
plays trumpet to the wildlife at night.  No one understands him or his
music.  Life could be better. Music could be better.

Fantasies become realities when Anderson gets himself to Paris
searching out Cross. He ends up staying with him, going to a club with him,
and sitting in, making an impression, with the club's band that night.
[I can tell you, I really felt for that scene. I've had personal experiences
sitting in with bands on the spur of the moment, and to me it felt real.]

Sometimes the movie was too cute or too predictable, but
really it was kind of humorous and pretty interesting if you thought
about the implications about art and life.

I thought Miles played Billy Cross pretty well. It was Miles all the way -
what he wore, how he talked, the way he played trumpet, the character's
wealth, fame, and philosophy. But it was a nice alternative glimpse of
the *man*, not the same "attitude" as on the "60 Minutes" interview.

I can't imagine the general movie-going public getting into this movie,
but Miles fans, jazz fans, musicians, and anyone who's got a dream may
get a kick out of it.

Comments?

take care,

Sue
From: umrutko0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Chris Rutkowski)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: seeking particular sun ra release
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:49:23 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <1992Apr9.125842.1736@stsci.edu> tullos@stsci.edu (Calvin Tullos) writes:

>Which Sun Ra release has all of the Disney themes on it?


>calvin

Actually, it's a compilation CD by many artists, on which Sun Ra has
only one cut: Elephants on Parade from Dumbo.  It's a gas!  The rest of
the CD varies in quality from not bad to really pathetic, and is
largely by rock artists.  Sinead O'Connor, Ringo Starr, etc.

I can't recall the name of the CD, but it's at the back of my
collection, somewhere.  If you still want the name, post me back or
wait for someone else to post a reply.  I've seen the thing on sale in
bins of Children's Music.

-- 
Chris Rutkowski - umrutko0@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Royal Astronomical Society of Canada
University of Manitoba - Winnipeg, Canada
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