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From: vusl@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (VU Science Library)
Subject: Re: Newf story
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:02:03 GMT

>>|> I was at the book store the other day and something on women
>>|> and their dogs caught my eye.  It wasn't long.  Every
>>|> other page featured a picture of a woman and her dog, plus
>>|> a brief story about the two.
>>|> 
>>*FOUL*  Linda, you march right back into that bookstore and find
>>out the title and author *NOW* we W-A-N-T to know .

>The title is "Women and Their Dogs" (or perhaps "Dogs and Their Women", my
>wife can't remember for sure).

Dogs and their Women  Barbara Cohen and Louise Taylor
1989  ISBN  0316-15036-3
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	Carlin Sappenfield - vusl@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu
From: rhuls@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (Robbin Huls)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Puppy ID collars
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:08:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Aug28.180800.5142
Organization: Eastman Kodak

In article <1992Aug27.020250.11373@oz.plymouth.edu> michaelc@oz.plymouth.edu (Mike Clark) writes:
>We are expecting a litter of little germans here on September 16th (YAY)
>and I remember back about 10 years ago when I had my last litter, I
>had trouble keeping track of who's puppy was who's etc...

My GSD Kelsey's litter did us the courtesy of having different
combinations of white toes!  (Kelsey had the outer three on her back
right foot :-) 
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From: hoff@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Wildfire)
Subject: FTP site for FAQ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:20:39 GMT

Can anybody tell me where to get the FAQ?  I've read it, but I'm going
home this weekend and need a hard copy.  Since I've left the house, my
parents are having a real problem with my husky thinking that he's 
dominant..... I'm going home this weekend and will need it before then.
-Lisa
with a couple of very stubborn Huskys
From: krystek@alcor.bms.com (Stanley Krystek)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Brewers Yeast??????
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:45:52 GMT
Distribution: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb, Macromolecular Modeling


I know the question has been asked before, 

but, what is the correct amount of Brewers Yeast to give

per pound of dog flesh?   mg Brewers yeast / pound

thanks in advance...

stan

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From: rhuls@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (Robbin Huls)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: How do you teach a dog to STAY?
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:09:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Sep4.150922.18893
Organization: Eastman Kodak

Alice Hecht writes:
> I have a 4 month old Boxer and would like to teach him how to stay. 

kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu replies:
> ...Then say "Okay!" or some other release command for him to eat

Don't use "Okay" as a release word!  I did that and if Kelsey is
working, and I say Okay to someone else in conversation or
acknowlegement (like in the training course when the trainer says "Now,
you walk out of her site while she waits there..." and I say "Okay"),
Kelsey bolts :-)  I'm working on changing the release word now.  The
trainer suggested something like "Free" as a release.
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From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: SHOCK COLLARS (go ahead flame ME!!)
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:09:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.090151.19959@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au>
    macaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (MACKINNELL AMANDA) writes:
 
>
>In article <1992Aug26.181922.26572@newshost.lanl.gov>, crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
>>
>> Can you name a single other tool that will allow you to make a
>> correction (not mete out punishment) at distances from feet to
>> hundreds of yards?
>
>As matter of fact, I can: THE VOICE.
 
Can be effective with "soft" dogs.  Pretty much useless with a "hard-
headed" one.  Actually, that applies for my kids too; one of them only
requires a stern look, the other requires a stern wallup on the backside
But that's a flame war for a different group (ie. talk.corpral.punishment)
 
>And if your dog wont respond to it at such distances then take him back in close and begin again.
 
And the smart dogs learn that at a close range, they must obey.  But
when at a distance of "x" feet, they can WILLFULLY disobey.
 
 
>PATIENCE.
 
Always a needed attribute.  With kids and dogs.
 
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Subject: Re: S**t eating dog
From: rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Robin, Girl Wonder)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:08:44 GMT
Reply-To: rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <1992Aug26.200612.11456@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, carruth@mksol.dseg.ti.com (matthew carruth) writes:
>I've got a dog who goes nuts for cat's litter box.  It really is disgusting, but
>the only solution I've found is to keep the poop separated from the pooch.

I've been told that most dogs consider cat poop a "delicacy."  I just got
a new kitten and my dog likes nothing better than to follow the kitten 
around and lick his butt.  My friend refers to the kitten as a 
"pez dispenser."  I think this is pretty amusing, though others might
think it is sick!  8-)


***********************************************************************
Robin Goldstone, Systems Software Specialist
California State University, Chico  Computing Services
rgoldstone@oavax.csuchico.edu
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: alpha puppy
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:17:47 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

>I'm always highly attracted to the puppy that "picks me". 

That's what we did with Archer.  In a litter of Doberpuppies
that mostly sniffed us and went about their business, he was 
the one who kept interacting with us.  The result has been a
strongly bonded dog who will probably die of old age in the
middle of a well-deserved long down or alpha roll.

I'd use the same technique again, but such pups are not for everyone.

Our cats, incidentally, are all strays that picked one of us, and
durned if they don't exhibit the equivalent feline behaviors. Our 
visitors just have to get used to slapping a cat on the head for
walking up and trying to take food off your fork.  Multiple times.

Animals contribute SO much to our lives (aargh! :)

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Recommendations...
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:49:43 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: usa
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> I need an indoor/outdoor dog that is both a guard dog as well as friendly.

Take your time.  Visit the local humane shelter, both to get acquainted
with dogs and to talk to people about them.  Then pick a dog, whether
adopted or purebred, on the basis of personality.  If it is a reasonable-
sized and territorial/protective animal, it will do some good in 
protection of its "pack" and "den." 

What burglars and attackers are really afraid of is not being bitten so 
much as being the subject of a lot of attention.  Think about it.  If a
dog starts barking and the neighbors start looking out the window, a
burglar's whole day is ruined.  The best outcome is running away, 
probably without having accomplished what he came to do.  The other 
possibilities are even worse. 

A golden retriever that has strongly bonded with your family will 
probably do as much good as a non-attack-trained German shepherd or 
doberman.  I picked a golden just as an example of a widely beloved
pet with a nonthreatening, kids-and-station-wagons image.  You aren't 
ready for a trained protection dog and might not want to share your 
home with one in any case, though you can surely check out the 
Schutzhund scene if you "get into" dogs.

>This is my first dog.  I was looking forward to a 
>German Shepard but some people said that the dog will be hard to train.

My impression of the breed is that it's actually amenable to training
if you work with it a lot, starting with puppy classes such as those at
your local humane society.  They're smart and they like to please, which
is a helpful combination.  But don't get one if you're scared of big dogs, 
or if you're not willing to put in plenty of time training, socializing,
and just romping around with your pet.

Basically, IMHO, there's a large gap between "pet-trained" dogs that
usually happen to be protective (they'll surprise you sometimes!) and
protection-trained dogs.  It takes a lot, on the part of both animal
and owner, to cross that gap.  You probably would be happier with 
the former.

Basically, if you want protection, put in a burglar alarm and foment 
a Neighborhood Watch program.  Neither of these security assets will
sell you down the river for a buck forty-nine worth of chuck steak.
Choose your dog as a companion -- choose it well, for it will be your
companion for quite a few years -- and accept its contributions to 
your security profile as a bonus.

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
From: ann@plx.com (Ann Lindstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Feeding Dogs Veggies and Fruit?
Keywords: n
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:24:40 GMT
Organization: PLEXUS Software, Inc.

Our dobe and basset love fruit and vegies too.  Our vet said giving them 
produce is fine, with a few exceptions.  He said dogs have trouble digesting
raw potatoes and onions (yes - the dobe loves both of these), but that they
can tolerate them in small amounts.  If you have a chubbo dog, vegies can
be great, lo-cal treats.
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: collie
Keywords: collie, rescue society
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:55:51 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <Aug.26.10.03.03.1992.25387@presto.ig.com> gertsch@presto.ig.com
(Constance Gertsch) writes:
> Are there any rescue societies for collies? ccg

Yes, you saw a smooth coat Collie, a different variety, but the saem breed as
the rough coat Collie.
The closest Collie rescue organzization to you, that I can find, is Collie
Rescue of Southern California. Here are three contacts:
LA 213/395-6496
Saugus/Lancaster 805/255-5777
Ventura cty 805/524-4542
Santa Barbara country 805/969-5548

One of these should be able to provide a local contact for you. Good luck!
*******************************
Marget Johnson
marget.johnson@daytonOH.NCR.COM

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From: trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: T.O.U.C.H. brag and question
Date: 26 AUG 92 14:33:45 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
NNTP-Posting-Host: msnews.wustl.edu


Hello doggie lovers- I just wanted to say that Buster (a yel lab) and I 
have just completed our 13 weeks of obedience for the TOUCH (therapy
of unique canine helpers) program.  This is the program for hospital-
nursing home visitations.  I hope its as rewarding as I anticipate.
Are there any other TOUCH grads -or similar program out there?  I'm
curious to know the variations,if any, and what some of your experiences
are.  During class we heard a few heart wrenching stories where the 
'dogs' brought about some 'miraculous' changes in patients.
Bev
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Ursa: A Story of a Heroic Newfoundland
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:24:40 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Distribution: world
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

The story of Ursa, a heroic Newfoundland, referenced in an earlier post, is
available by e-mail to anyone of you who request it. The story is fairly long
(500 words or so), so I will not post on the net  to save costly(?) bandwidth.
*********************************
Marget Johnson, WIndwagon Newfoundlands

e-mail to marget.johnson@daytonOH.NCR.COM or reply to this posting.
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From: fritzz@bud.megatek.uucp (Friedrich Knauss)
Subject: Alpha role instead of alpha roll?
Reply-To: megatek!fritzz@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:20:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.215322.29105@macc.wisc.edu>
heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:

>  You're looking at this the wrong way.  It shouldn't matter what the 
>  dog thinks - you *are* alpha (aren't you?).  It's just a matter of 
>  showing the dog that.  If the dog thinks he's alpha it's probably 
>  because you're not.

I like this. I often see alpha rolls suggested as solutions to
obedience problems. While they are a useful tool (like choke
collars) they can be misused.

More important than knowing how to perform an alpha roll is
learning to play the alpha role. That means having the attitude
of "I am always right and I will _never_ let my dog willfully
disobey me" without ever becoming angry or giving up.

Using an alpha roll on a dog who is already submissive but
disobeys because it doesn't know what is expected of it can be
destructive. Likewise, using an alpha role on a dominant dog but
not using any other positive reinforcements can alienate it.

Furthermore, alpha rolls are one of the strongest weapons in
dominance arsenal. It should not be used unless one has use chin
cuffs and scruff shakes first.

Being dominant is no substitute for learning to read and
understand your dog. Proper obedience (which should be a part
of _any_ dog, even when  only used as a pet) is a two way street
and requires you to be as responsible to your dog as your dog is
responsive to you.
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From: smp@aquarius1.Berkeley.EDU (Susan M Painter)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs and Jogging
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:34:58 GMT
Reply-To: smp@aquarius1.Berkeley.EDU (Susan M Painter)
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Aug31.182814.260@eos.arc.nasa.gov>, dencisco@eos.arc.nasa.gov (David Paul Encisco) writes:
|> Should one wait until their dog is a certain age
|> before one takes them jogging? Maybe I should be
|> more specific since different breeds develop at
|> different rates. But it would seem to me that not
|> all breeds are suited for jogging (actually I run,
|> not jog). Which brings me to my second question. 
|> What breeds like to run with their owners?
|> 
|> Again (if you didn't read my previous post) a Bernese
|> Mountain Dog owner told me that this breed was not a 
|> good breed for jogging. That's odd I thought, looks like
|> it would love to get out there on the trails; it certainly
|> appears to have the vitality for it.
|> 
|> Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
|> Dave

I own a Bernese Mountain Dog and I would also agree that the breed is not
a good breed for jogging.  But, it IS a good breed for LONG walks, if the
dog is conditioned.  I have found that with my dog he loves long walks
especially in the snow.  The breed was originally bred for pulling carts
and at a comfortable speed (probably a good walking speed), they appear to
be able to walk forever (or at least as long as I have needed him to walk)
without complaining.  They do not have the stamina for lasting long at a
jogging pace but do have plenty of stamina for keeping a walking pace.  I have
often told people that their dog could probably out run my dog but that my dog
could probably walk longer.  I hope this makes sense.  But remember, the
dog must be conditioned.  We walk our dog several miles a day and he loves it.
He gets very upset if we miss a day.  So yes, Bernese Mountain Dogs LOVE the
trails and do have the necessary stamina just at a slower pace then a jog.

Sue Painter
Minnesota
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mcfadden@bellman.lanl.gov (Russell McFadden)
Subject: Show points and the mass of confusion
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Reply-To: mcfadden@bellman.lanl.gov
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:16:46 GMT
X-Posted-From: nimue.lanl.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


Hi Everybody - 

I just wanted to add to the general confusion on a couple of points:

   1) Champions of Record *CAN* be entered and shown in the regular
      classes. I've never understood the reasoning behind this or why
      anyone would want to do it, but there is NO AKC rule against it
      and I have been at shows where it has occured.

   2) After talking with the AKC rep at a show last Sunday, a class animal
      that goes Best in Show takes the highest number of points offered
      by any breed on that day.  Actually a class IG bitch went Best in Show
      at one of the shows I was at in Ohio last Saturday, but she had already
      won a five point major in IGs so going Group 1 and BIS didn't add to that.

This does become clearer (believe it or not) after going to a few shows. I've
been showing dogs for almost twenty years now (and judging for four) and I
finally understand it (sorta).

Russell L. McFadden
mcfadden@nimue.lanl.gov
Xref: sparky rec.pets.dogs:10111 rec.pets.cats:10176
From: myerse@spot.Colorado.EDU (MYERS ETHELLA ANN)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: dog hates cats
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:34:29 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Aug25.140713.24485@linus.mitre.org> pdsmith.mitre.org (Pat Smith) writes:
>In article <BtIDvH.BKB@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, kjt34420@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kristin J. Thommes) writes:
>> 
[ description of cat hating dog deleted]
>> 
>> Any success stories out there?  A marriage may be at stake here if I
>> can't break him of this awful habit.
>> 
>
>I hope you realize that the dog is doing what he instinctly does - pursue cats.
>I might question your relationship with your SO if a dog being a dog is about
>to end a relationship.

  I don't agree with this.  My cats are my responsibility and I would
  never expect them to live in a situation where their lives were
  in danger 24 hours of the day.  When I moved in with my SO his
  dog was also a cat killer.  If we hadn't been able to train the
  dog to live peacefully with the cats, I was fully prepared to move
  out.

  If Kristin can train the dog to stop attacking cats, great! But
  if for some reason she can't, I wouldn't expect her SO to put
  his pet in danger.

  It's a very hard situation, but I firmly believe that people
  should take as much resposiblity for their pets as they would
  for their kids. By getting a pet, you are agreeing to care for
  and protect that animal for the rest of its life.


>                       How you two react to the dog/cat situation may be
>the bigger problem.  Anyway - I spent 4 months training a 3 year old husky that
>had killed skunks and tried to eat a cat to live with a cat.  It was a lot
>of hard work but we succeeded. I posted my story on this BB so look for it.
>If you cannot find it - let me know and I will send you the story.  
>It can be done.
>> 


  I've also managed to train a cat hating dog to live with cats.
  Pref was ~5 years old and a confirmed cat chaser.  Now, he
  not only doesn't chase the cats, but he will let them eat out
  of his bowl with him and occasionally sleep with him.

-Ann
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Donating a puppy for auction (was Re: Puppy ID collars)
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ingres Division, ASK Computer Systems.
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:56:13 GMT

Someone asks:
> How do [people] feel about donating pups to organization
> like DU (ducks unlimited) to sell at auction?

If I've understood the proposition correctly, we're talking
about selling a dog to the highest bidder.  Anyone one who
has the cash can bid.  No further screening will be performed.

Is that correct?

If so, I feel like throwing up.

-- Jon

Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison)
Subject: Re: Labrador Rescue League
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Ancient Souls Inc.
Date: 26 Aug 1992 11:49 EST  

In article <BtJxDr.IvD@ora.com>, kramer@ora.com (Eileen Kramer) writes...
>I'm looking for a contact at the Labrador Rescue
>League in New England.

Did you look under the couch ? When *I* lose a contact, that's usually the 
first place I look. :-)

> 
>Thanks.

Sorry, Ruth... I can't pass up a joke. :=)

-- Stephen

	"Some people live their dreams, some people close their eyes.
	 Some people's destiny... passes them by"

							 -- Toto

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: birch@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Steve Birch CSD)
Subject: Re: Newfs
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:35:50 GMT

We just returned from a vacation in Newfoundland. Talking to the "locals"
about the breed they mentioned that in Newfoundland the Newf is a protected
breed ..ie: if the Newf next door is digging up your garden..there is nothing
you can do about it. By law they are allowed to roam etc. All other breeds
have leash laws etc.

Many people also said things like 'if you have a Newf..you never have to
worry about your child...he/she is protected'. 

(I have always wanted a Newf...hope my German Shepard's not listening) 

-- 
Steven Birch
University of New Brunswick
Fredericton N.B. Canada
Internet: BIRCH@UNB.CA