HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: root@sierra.nl (Wim van den Berge)
Subject: Final test (I hope)
Summary: really the final test from our site to this newsgroup
Keywords: test
Organization: Sierra Semiconductor B.V.
Distribution: nlnet
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:30:48 GMT


Yippie it works,


        Wim van den Berge
        Sierra Semiconductor B.V.
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Newsgroups: nlnet.test
From: root@sierra.nl (Operator)
Subject: testing (part 18)
Summary: testing outgoing news
Keywords: test
Organization: Sierra Semiconductor B.V.
Distribution: nlnet
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:56:50 GMT


testing outgoing mail

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distribution : nlnet


        Wim van den Berge
        Sierra Semiconductor B.V.
	Tel    : +31 73 408888                     (:>    \/\/i/\/\
        Fax    : +31 73 423155                    (_)
        E-mail : berge@sierra.nl           =======""======
Newsgroups: nlnet.test
From: root@sierra.nl (Operator)
Subject: testing outgoing news (ignore please)
Keywords: test
Organization: Sierra Semiconductor B.V.
Distribution: nlnet
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:47:55 GMT

testing outgoing mail

posted to    : nlnet.test
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        Wim van den Berge
        Sierra Semiconductor B.V.
	Tel    : +31 73 408888                     (:>    \/\/i/\/\
        Fax    : +31 73 423155                    (_)
        E-mail : berge@sierra.nl           =======""======
Newsgroups: nlnet.test
From: erwin@nioz.nl (Erwin Embsen)
Subject: Just testing
Originator: erwin@nioz.nl
Organization: Nederlands Instituut voor Onderzoek der Zee (NIOZ)
Distribution: nlnet
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:52:59 GMT

Negeer dit aub...
-- 
Name      : Erwin Embsen                Email: erwin@nioz.nl
Department: BEWON (ERSEM Project)       Phone: +31 (0)2220 - 69424 (or 69300)
Institute : NIOZ, Texel - NL            Fax  : +31 (0)2220 - 19674
Newsgroups: nlnet.test
From: root@sierra.nl (Operator)
Subject: test (part 19)
Keywords: test
Organization: Sierra Semiconductor B.V.
Distribution: nlnet
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:00:02 GMT

testing outgoing mail

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distribution : nlnet


        Wim van den Berge
        Sierra Semiconductor B.V.
	Tel    : +31 73 408888                     (:>    \/\/i/\/\
        Fax    : +31 73 423155                    (_)
        E-mail : berge@sierra.nl           =======""======
Newsgroups: ont.uucp,tor.uucp,tor.news,tor.general
From: ndallen@r-node.gts.org (Nigel Allen)
Subject: Canada Remote Systems - Jud Newell (fwd)
Organization: Echo Beach, Toronto
Distribution: ont
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:39:07 GMT

Here is a message from Jud Newell, the founder and former
chief sysop of Canada Remote Systems.

 Date: 11-08-92 (23:55)              Number: 126766 of 126950
   To: ALL                           Refer#: NONE
 From: JUD NEWELL                      Read: (N/A)
 Subj: THANKS A MILLION!             Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
 Conf: MAIN BOARD (0)             Read Type: GENERAL (+)

                             CRS MEMBERS
                              Thank you!

Things change, and as most of you know, we are no longer with Canada
Remote Systems. We had some policy disagreements with current owners
of CRS that were unresolveable and, with no notice,  CRS management
decided we were no longer required.  We wish them the best of luck
with their new organization.

Between us we have over 16 years of dealing with CRS members, know
most of you by name, and many by sight.   We're proud to count a large
# of you among our friends.    Our future plans are somewhat undecided
at this time, but Jud is available for consulting on Network and
Electronic Mail Services and can be reached at (416) 568-2524.

Unfortunately, management at CRS has disabled our account, so we'll
be available on Bev Green's fine system, 1000 BBS, and will be
checking many of the echo mail systems from time to time.

Again, thank you for your fine support over the years.

Brenda and Jud Newell
---
  QNet3  NANET 41-62-01 One Thousand BBS, 416-629-7259, Toronto Ontario 
Xref: sparky ont.general:2045 ont.conditions:90
From: spooge@sizone.UUCP (Cyberpolka On Da Jeep)
Newsgroups: ont.general,ont.conditions
Subject: Re: Be prepared to die before the sanding trucks are sent out.
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 22:06:32 EST
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-276-0552

wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:

> Thismorning CBC radio reported a somewhat major accident on the 401
> in the Woodstock area (Woodstock is the "Bermuda triangle" of the 401).
> Black ice had formed during the early morning, it seems, and now traffic
> in both directions has been stopped.
> 
> You know, it's too bad that we don't pay enough in income and gas taxes
> to make sure that road sanders, that are standing by, get sent out to  
> hazzardous areas before someone gets injured or killed first.
> 
> This is not the first time that knowledge of current weather conditions
> had indicated the potential for hazzardous road conditions, but it took
> car accidents and injury before sanding and salt trucks were sent out.

I think it stems from the contracts that the province (and cities) have
with the sanders (whoever organizes them/employs them). I heard once on
the radio that during an exceptional _BLIZZARD_ which came before the
usual yearly date of the sanders start-of-contract that "negotiations
for an early start of sanding are underway". I couldnt believe it. Mebbe
I'm just wrong. But it would explain alot. :)

(Mebbe I should have posted this to AFU, as it's obv. a UL... :)

/kc


Ken Chasse - Sonic Interzone, Toronto Ont. * Inet: sizone!spooge@ee.ryerson.ca
-----------                                                        -----------
"It's stupid, it's idiotic, it's inane, it isn't art, it's dumb, it's a ripoff
of American pop culture, and we live in a sad society that tolrates it."
                                                      - NIMROD
From: Digger@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Digger)
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Re: Junk FAX
Distribution: world
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:22:22 EDT
Organization: The QuBE BBS

 AJA> I am getting faxes sent in the early hours to my home number from
 AJA>  Mark Muchnick
 AJA>  World Computers Ltd
 AJA>  Seattle, WA
 AJA> Not only is this information of no interest or relevance to me, but
 AJA> it comes a couple of times a week between 4am and 6am.  

This happened to me (not from the same people though) and what I did was
this.  Luckilly, I knew the fax number of the sender.  I wrote on two legal
sized sheets of paper things to the effect of "Stop sending faxes to
XXX-XXXX."  I then taped the two pages end to end, and fed one end into the
fax machine.  I dialed up the sender and sent the fax.  Before it was
finished, I taped the end coming out of the fax to the end about to go in,
and voila!  Instant mega-fax!  Since it's a loop, it'll keep sending until
you stop it.  I let it go for 15 or 20 minutes each call.  It wasted so
much paper on their end, they took my number off the list within three
calls.

I felt much better after that. :-)

Rick.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
From: mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Marc Roussel)
Subject: Re: free trade, memory prices, memory wholesalers
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Toronto
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:11:04 GMT

In article <Bxo2ox.IKE@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
grstate@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Gavriel State) writes:
>The people who actually use the computers can still feel them though, 
>so I highly doubt that there will be some kind of 'backlash', as you predict.

     I'm not sure that I am exactly predicting a backlash but this
sentence highlights part of the potential problem.  "The people who
actually use the computers" (to borrow Gavriel's phrase) are not always
the ones making strategic decisions.

				Marc R. Roussel
                                mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca (breadner kenneth cecil joseph u)
Subject: Re: Men's Attitudes (Was: Take Back The Night)
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: ont
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:09:25 GMT

In article <627183374DN5.61R@tanda.isis.org> marc@tanda.isis.org writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.082707.16309@gov.on.ca> 
>(Peter Renzland) writes: 
>        ....
>> About the spelling -- what precisely is wrong with the spelling of "womyn"?
>
>        It connects too well with the cute spelling of girls' names
>        "with a Y", associated with airheads. Perception is
>        everything.


-- 
Ken Breadner	brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca	(the BREADbox)	Waterloo, Canada
I have no opinions, according to some of my profs, and therefore I see no
real need for a disclaimer.
Thought for the moment (may be censored by little brown fuzzy things):
From: marc@tanda.isis.org (Marc Thibault)
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Re: Men's Attitudes (Was: Take Back The Night)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 15:14:37 EST
Reply-To: marc@tanda.isis.org
Distribution: ont
Organization: Thibault & Friends

In article <1992Nov6.082707.16309@gov.on.ca> 
(Peter Renzland) writes: 
        ....
> About the spelling -- what precisely is wrong with the spelling of "womyn"?

        It connects too well with the cute spelling of girls' names
        "with a Y", associated with airheads. Perception is
        everything.
From: marc@tanda.isis.org (Marc Thibault)
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Re: Long-Distance: Who's got the Feeling now?
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 11:54:52 EST
Reply-To: marc@tanda.isis.org
Distribution: can
Organization: Thibault & Friends

In article <1992Nov4.153540.7070@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> 
(Liana Becker) writes: 
                 ...
> goes wrong Bell has alway responded quickly and curteously, I'm
> sticking with them.

        Liana makes some good points, but there's a limit to my
        loyalty. My UUCP forwarder just moved to a location some miles
        _closer_ to me with the odd result that what used to be a
        local uucico call would now cost me $250 per month.

        I say "would" because I was able to quickly get a third party
        service that makes it a local call again, for fifteen dollars
        a month! These folk responded in less than forty eight hours.
        Contrast that with the _three months_ that it took Bell to get
        me a line in the first place.

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Newsgroups: ont.general,ont.conditions
From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
Subject: Be prepared to die before the sanding trucks are sent out.
Organization: (this space for rent)
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:20:28 GMT


Thismorning CBC radio reported a somewhat major accident on the 401
in the Woodstock area (Woodstock is the "Bermuda triangle" of the 401).
Black ice had formed during the early morning, it seems, and now traffic
in both directions has been stopped.

You know, it's too bad that we don't pay enough in income and gas taxes
to make sure that road sanders, that are standing by, get sent out to  
hazzardous areas before someone gets injured or killed first.

This is not the first time that knowledge of current weather conditions
had indicated the potential for hazzardous road conditions, but it took
car accidents and injury before sanding and salt trucks were sent out.

And it will happen again this winter.  You will be out on the highway
some morning, because of necessity or emergency, and you will have
watched the weather channel, and you would be out on the highway, 
wondering why the sanders or salt trucks hadn't been sent out to deal
with a quick cold snap that had caused the black ice that you are now
dealing with...

Happy motoring this winter...
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Marc Roussel)
Subject: Re: Long-Distance: Who's got the Feeling now?
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Toronto
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:49:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov07.162602.16147@mongrel.UUCP> amdunn@mongrel.UUCP
(Andrew M. Dunn) writes:
>Why is the system [local calls subsidized by long distance rates]
>set up this way?  Because, in a monopoly situation,
>the service provider (ie. Bell) can do what they want.  A competitive
>marketplace would never sustain this kind of cross-subsidy.

     You're putting a little too much of the credit (or blame, from your
perspective) on Bell.  The CRTC regulates the fee structure in this
country.  If things are the way they are, it's because the CRTC and, by
extension, the Canadian government and we, the voters, think it's a
good idea.  I can't imagine that Bell cares either way where its profits
come from.

				Marc R. Roussel
                                mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: anton@analsyn.gts.org (Anton J Aylward)
Subject: Junk FAX
Organization: ASCI: UNIX Database and Communications
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:38:00 GMT

If some promotion company uses an autodialer and tape message to keep
calling me, soliciting for support for tax reform, to think of just one
subject I have been harassed by, I can call Bell and complain, and eventually 
get something done.

How about FAXes ?
I am getting faxes sent in the early hours to my home number from

	Mark Muchnick
	World Computers Ltd
	Seattle, WA

Not only is this information of no interest or relevance to me, but it
comes a couple of times a week between 4am and 6am.  


Discourse about turning the fax off will be ignored, if I can leave my
turtles heater and pump on ratehr than have to go through a morning
ritual of turning things on and off, why can't I leave the FAX on.
If its that junky send me e-mail.

Yes, I know I can get call blocking, but why should I have to pay
to stop other people harassing me?   If I was being threated by my SO's
ex I wouldn't have to pay the police to keep him away.  Why should I
have to pay to be not inconvenienced?  How is telephone harasment by FAX
different from telephone harasment by voice?
--
Anton J Aylward
From: renzland@gov.on.ca (Peter Renzland)
Subject: Men's Attitudes (Was: Take Back The Night)
Organization: Ontario Ministry of Health, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: ont
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:27:07 GMT

spooge@sizone.UUCP (Cyberpolka On Da Jeep) and various other boys write:

>Its still stupid. The point is INDIVIDUAL women walking around, not a
>horde of them...

>> > I also think that spelling "women" as "womyn" is silly. Just my opinion.

>Women should look for more effective ways of empowerment than to change
>the spelling of a word to fonetik form. Its trivial, and with alot of
>people viewing it as a "typical feminist tactic" and equating their
>other efforts with this, it undermines them in general. 

It's their party.  They didn't invite you.  So why does this offend you?
How is your attitute that says "They're being stupid and I know better
what's good for them" different from the intolerance and arrogance of the
typical harrasser, abuser, or assaulter of women from whom so many of the
boys posting in this thread have been trying so hard to distance themselves?
(*I* am not the problem.  I am a good male.  I'm your friend, I'm here to
help you.  You *need* my help and support, etc., etc)

About the spelling -- what precisely is wrong with the spelling of "womyn"?
Why do you presume that this spelling is "silly" just because it is
unfamiliar to you and your own short experience?  Perhaps this spelling is
a comparatively new fad, representing an attitude that considers women as
chattel, as mere possesions of men.  An attitude that explains why women
not accompanied by a man are considered "fair game" and why sexual assault
was considered not a crime against the woman but a viaolation of the
property right of her man.  Perhaps the "womyn" spelling is more ancient
and more valid than the "woman" spelling?

In any case, why can you fellas not just relax and say: it's not my way,
but it's their way and they feel good about it and it doesn't do any harm,
I am happy to tolerate it?

-- 
Peter Renzland <renzland@gov.on.ca> Ontario Ministry of Health +1 416 327-7741
In real life:  <peter@renzland.org>   "Je danse donc je suis"  +1 416 323-1300
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: iain@ee.ryerson.ca (Iain Campbell)
Subject: Re: Be prepared to die before the sanding trucks are sent out.
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:15:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov09.145426.6990@bmerh85.bnr.ca> myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.142028.20947@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>>You know, it's too bad that we don't pay enough in income and gas taxes
>>to make sure that road sanders, that are standing by, get sent out to  
>>hazzardous areas before someone gets injured or killed first.
>
>Not quite true. According to Right Wing gospel, you get what you pay for.
>I gather the roads and highways around rich neighbourhoods are far safer
 ^^^^^^^^

"I gather ..."   I always appreciate the truly informed and responsible
person who carefully cites their source ...


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From: robbie@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (G.Robert Arrabito)
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: volunteer readers needed in Toronto
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:27:19 GMT
Distribution: tor
Organization: Defence and Civil Institute of Environmental Medicine


				Volunteer Readers
				----------------

I'm  visually impaired. I'm looking for people who have some time on 
their hands to do some volunteer reading. For further information, please
contact me at:

Robert Arrabito
phone: 635-2033
e-mail: robbie@dretor.dciem.dnd.ca
Newsgroups: ont.general,tor.general,mi.misc
From: mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Marc Roussel)
Subject: Re: free trade, memory prices, memory wholesalers
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Toronto
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:42:41 GMT

In article <BANKER.92Nov6121204@ptd4330a.erim.org> banker@ptd4330a.erim.org
(Jeff Banker) writes:
>Marc Roussel writes:
>>> As far as anyone can tell, computerizing the workplace has done almost
>>> nothing for productivity.  What makes you think that cheaper RAM will
>>> change that?
>
>You must be on a different planet.  FAX machines, email, LANs, etc. have 
>increased productivity dramatically, not to mention desktop, laptop, and
>palmtop PCs.

     Pick a quantitative measure of economic activity.  (Pick your
favorite one; this has been done with almost all of them with uniformly
negative results.)  Measure the overall productivity of a representative
sample of businesses both before and after computerization using your
chosen metric.  Average over a long period in order to wash out
transitional effects and other fluctuations.  Studies using this sort of
careful methodology have shown, almost every time, that computers do not
improve productivity except in some special cases (industrial robots,
computers used in design work, etc.).  These special cases are almost
always of such a nature that the productivity increases come from
replacing workers, not from increasing the productivity of individual
workers.  (In other words, the machines do things that people would have
done; the remaining workers do more or less the same things they did
before and generate essentially the same economic outputs.)
     By and large, computers don't increase productivity.  Has your bank been
able to reduce its staffing requirements because of computers?
Probably not.  While you may be doing more banking through a machine,
when you do need the services of a teller, you spend more time.  (I
wish I could give a reference for this; sometime in the last five years
or so, the Globe actually did a survey and found that the average
transaction time at a teller had gone up by a factor of more than two
since computerization.  The number of teller transactions went down by only a
small percentage.  The number of total transactions (automated and
teller) went up faster than the number of dollars the banks handled.)
Even if the bank was able to reduce its teller staff, it now needs a
larger DP department since the computers are bigger and even more
critical than they were before front-line computerization.  You are
however able to carry out transactions you couldn't have done before
computers appeared at the teller stations (multi-branch banking for
instance).  Those of us who understand what computers can do should be
careful not to promise productivity increases when there will in all
likelihood be no such increases.  We should rather point out that
computers allow us to do things we simply couldn't do before; that is,
most of the time, the only thing you can expect.

				Marc R. Roussel
                                mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Be prepared to die before the sanding trucks are sent out.
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 14:54:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.142028.20947@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>You know, it's too bad that we don't pay enough in income and gas taxes
>to make sure that road sanders, that are standing by, get sent out to  
>hazzardous areas before someone gets injured or killed first.

Not quite true. According to Right Wing gospel, you get what you pay for.
I gather the roads and highways around rich neighbourhoods are far safer
than those around poor neighbourhoods. And the rich do take the subway
to work.  :->
-- 
Michael MY Hui  ~{~}  myhui@bnr.ca  Ottawa Canada
Newsgroups: ont.general