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From: megazone@realsoon.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: sad sad very sad
Date: 12 Nov 1992 08:39:37 GMT
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In article <1992Nov11.105042.1258@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc1rs@dct.ac.uk writes:
>no drugs should be used for enjoyment
>if you take drugs there must be something missing in your life

Actually, there are several things "missing" from my life. Such as peace, etc,
but I think that's basically normal.

How about for reasons other than enjoyment, but which also produce some 
enjoyment, like for self-examination? Solving problems using a new point of
view? Exploring the mind? Broadening horizons?

How about trying to get to that next level of relaxation? Or of nirvana?

They can really bring big improvements to your life if used properly.

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] SO's and drugs
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:01:16 GMT

Second attempt:

Based on personal experience I don't think it is a good idea to try to
persuade someone with a strong negative anti-drug mind set to do any
drug, even one as apparently benign as MDMA.  I did this not too long
ago using MDMA with a lover and as expected she had a perfect plus four
complete with deep insights into many things that were blocking her in
straightland and what transpired between us was transcendant.  *But*
her reentry and the following day was a nightmare for her.  Some
people, like her, carry a lot of baggage that makes their existence
difficult at best and they carry a lot of pain.  For them reentry from
that state back to their normal state is far too jarring (but that
doesn't relate to the negative mind set, it's just a general caution.)
The very freedom and pleasure that she experienced on MDMA absolutely
convinced her, after she came down, that drugs were every bit as
dangerous and compelling as she had feared and she was filled with
intense guilt and remorse for having done it.  Can you see the logic?
For as brief a time as she was freed from her normal defenses and
blocks and allowed to experience herself clearly, it was simply not
worth the remorse she felt afterward.  Don't think that just because
someone has a profound experience on something that they are going to
be awakened to the benefits.

This has convinced me that it is a bad thing to persuade someone that
is anti-drug to do one.  It is invasive and potentially harmful.
Rather we should be persuading them only to soften their views with
regard to the rights of others to use them.  Respect their personal
fears if you care about them and don't wish to put them through the
kind of recoil effect I did.

Peace,

Bob

-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

        "One can learn to be alone, even enjoy it, but let intimacy
         break that solitude, even briefly, and one must start all
         over again."

                                                     Elia Kazan


               PGP 1.0 or 2.0 public key available on request.
From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Butyrophenones and Phenothiazines
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:15:18 GMT
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'

eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric E. Snyder) writes:
>>I also have heard, anecdotally, that Haldol has either less OR more of a 
>>propensity to bring on Parkinson-like symptoms!
>
>Haloperidol causes greater extrapyramidal side effects, mainly because it 
>has less anticholinergic activity which tends to attenuate the symptoms of 
>parkinsonism.  

It has a smaller frequency of causing tardive dyskinesia, however.

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: DMSO as carrier?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:25:10 GMT

n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
: >: 
: >: So what else is used in transderm patches, or is that it?
: 
: >Nicotine and dramamine are two that I know of. I expect there are
: >others.
: 
: Nicotine and dramamine will carry other drugs through the skin?
: I'd never read about that one.

Sorry, I was not being very clear. They are two substances which
are used on transdermal patches. I assume dmso is the carrier.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ketil@sandel.ii.uib.no (Ketil M. Malde)
Subject: Re: LSD manufacture
Reply-To: ketil@ii.uib.no
Organization: student of numerical analysis at the University of Bergen, Norway
Date: 8 Nov 92 02:58:24

>>>>> On 4 Nov 1992 21:53:54 GMT, caedmon@cats.ucsc.edu (Axeman) said:

	>        I'm looking for the method of manufacturing LSD on a small level, 
	>that is I want a "recipe" someone would use to make it at home.  I try to 

	Axeman> Flame bait.  You're not going to find any such "10 easy steps to make LSD."
	Axeman> Just buy a sheet or ream of it and let somebody else worry about making it.

But I don't know about anybody selling it..?

	Axeman> A rule of thumb follows; to successfully make LSD, one
	Axeman> can do it with no out- side help.  In other words,
	Axeman> unless you've a degree in organic chem, don't try it.
					  ^^^^^^^
Not to be picky here, but (well, maybe a little bit picky) I thought
LSD is inorganic?  Also, I thought it wasn't really that difficult to
manufacture, but I could be wrong, of course.  On all accounts. :-)

-ketil

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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Source(s)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:52:34 GMT

fduross@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (frank duross) writes:
:  
: One of my biggest pet peeves is when I see people, usually at concerts, wearing
: a 'save the environment' shirt, and holding a big fat nitrous balloon.
: Nitrous oxide is responsible for about 6% of global warming.  The global
: warming from each molecule of nitrous oxide is about 230 times that of a CO2
: molecule.
:  
: I am not here to preach, just saying that anyone who strives to improve our
: natural environment, should think twice an get their priorities in order before
: inhaling nitorus oxide.

I think you have the wrong oxide in mind. You are possibly talking about
NO2 - a completely different (and much more reactive) compound.

Bill
From: lemay@netcom.com (Laura Lemay)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Acid activities (Vitamin C)
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:39:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
> jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla) writes:
> > esrec@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr C L Mountford) writes:
> >>	My acid using friends use Vitamin C to abort bad trips. Apparently
> >>it brings you down prematurely, don't ask me how. Can anyone confirm or
[...]
> >A friend of mine told me that whenever she's taken acid and eaten fruits
> >or drank orange juice the trip ended pretty fast and the visuals were
[...]
> Funny, but xsome of the best stuff I ever did, came on Vitamin C
> tablets, and believe me it did not "abort" anything. I have always heard


Ahem. Might I point out the obvious....

Perhaps because you *expect* vitamin C to have a certain effect on you
while tripping -- be it to kill a trip, enhance a trip, make a trip
green, or whatever -- thats what actually happens?  Perhaps the
vitamin C has nothing to do with it?

-- 
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From: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: ULTIMATE ACID MOVIE!!
Date: 6 Nov 1992 22:33:48 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
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jagged@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:

>"pro tripper" would be "Altered States". For those of you who have

>Warning: First timers should not watch this because it envokes a sort
>of paranoia that only experienced people know how to deal with. Even
>for pro's it gets a little hairy towards the end. Have fun and don't
>de-evolve!!!!!!!! 

A friend of mine experienced with psychedelics ran from the
movie part way through, sort of gurgling and gnashing his teeth, 
and he was not under the effects of any drugs at teh time (or
for some weeks prior). It (his reaction) scared me a bit, but he
calmed down once out of the theatre. I think the movie is
pretty silly, myself.
-- 
John Collier 			Email: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   61+3 344 7959
Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis)
Subject: Re: Nutmeg!!??
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:29:44 GMT

In <92311.164001IO91747@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO91747@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:

>a friend  and i ate a whole storebought jar of nutmeg each.  it  was quite a bi
>we choked it down by mixing it into McDonald's shakes.  Took  about  2 hours to
>completely  messed  up,  hallucinating, giddiness, heavy stone.   But it  was n
>worth the  48 hour hangover that went with it. needless to say i have a hard
>time drinking McD's shakes now.

Wow! You're one sick puppy! I like it!

Shckwish!

PS Some things in life should never, EVER be mixed. I'm talking of course
about Filet of Fish and Thick Shakes. McChucks should have warning labels
on all FoF and shakes.

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: New MDMA-like drugs?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: MDMA MBDB PCA FLENFLURAMINE
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 04:49:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.124940.8729@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahead@nyx.cs.du.edu
(Adam Head) writes:
>
>The following is taken from the Annals New York Academy of Sciences v600
>1990:
>'
>  'Is it possible that S-fenfluramine might have psychopharmacology
>  similar to MDMA or MBDB?  To our knowledge, no clinal studies have
>  been conducted with high does of S-fenfluramine, so this cannot
>  at present be answered.  However, the animal studies reported here
>  suggest that S-flenfluramine and S-MBDB might well be similar in
>  humans at appropriate dose ranges.  Further, our results also
>  suggest that para-chloroamphetamine might have clinical effects
>  resembling MDMA and MBDB.  Although N-methyl-PCA was studied as
>  an antidepressant, there are no reports of clinical studies that
>  contain sufficient detail to determine this.'
>
> 
>
> 
> 



 I find it necessary to note that pCA is a rather potent neurotoxin,
showing similar, but more pronounced toxicity than MDMA, etc. Fenfluramine
has also been reported to be a neurotoxin. It has been said before that
administering a serotonin reuptake inhibitor such as fluoxetine, a few
hours after taking the drug that this will greatly (perhaps completely)
suppress the neurotoxic effect. 

St. Anthony

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From: jsjackso@eos.ncsu.edu (JONATHAN STONE JACKSON)
Subject: Research
Originator: jsjackso@c00067-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jsjackso@eos.ncsu.edu (JONATHAN STONE JACKSON)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:53:24 GMT


I am currently doing research for a history paper on the history 
of drugs and drug use. I would appreciate any references 
concerning drug discovery and use from ancient times up til 
around 1500 AD.

--Thanks
----Redbeard
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Info needed on Spanish Fly !!!!!
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:24:15 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
: >to humans, which was known by that name.  3)  There is Spurious Spainish
: >Fly, and the powerful Placebo Spanish Fly, two aids of legendary potency
: >which some netters will gladly sell you for a more than fair price. 
: 
:      Only two-fifty.
: 
:      (If I didn't say it, someone else would.)

They already did, a couple of days ago.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] Testing dollar signs
Keywords: anonymous
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:52:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct28.025112.3284@u.washington.edu> ap.6087@cupid.sai.com writes:
>
>Just a test to see if there's a workaraound:
>
>Dollar sign escaped by backslash:	$ $1 $10
>Dollar sign escaped by dollar sign:	5385 53851 538510
>Dollar sign in single quotes:		'$' '$'1 '0'

Following are the three lines above as I originally posted them.  It definitely
looks like the dollar signs are being interpreted by a shell, as the result
of '$$' looks suspiciously like a PID.  The lesson is: if you have dollar signs
in an anonymous posting (through Lamont's posting mechanism), precede them with
a backslash.

Dollar sign escaped by backslash:	\$ \$1 \$10
Dollar sign escaped by dollar sign:	$$ $$1 $$10
Dollar sign in single quotes:		'$' '$'1 '$10'

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

	"I quite agree with you," said the Duchess; "and the moral of
that is -- 'Be what you would seem to be' -- or, if you'd like it put
more simply -- 'Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it
might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not
otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be
otherwise.'"
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From: thanatos@titan.ucc.umass.edu (MATTHEW D SCHMILL)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] hash-consumption?
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:22:51 GMT

Why not try Hash under glass ? 

Make a stand from a paper clib with one end of it pointing up.
Stick a hunk of it on the end pointing up.
Light the hash on fire.
blow it out and immediately put a glass, upside down, over it.
Wait for the shish to stop smoking.
Slide the glass to the edge of the table and suck the smoke out.


     o    <---- hash
    /
   /
  ======  <--paperclip

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: FAQ
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:36:13 GMT

Thats overkill for most people.  Also, according to Psychedelic Chem the
maleate is better than the tartrate for storing it.  Cold, Dark and
Anhydrous is the trick (freezer, several layers of containers, dessicant).

Hmmmm.... and here's an article I saved...

>From: basher@ces.cwru.edu (Tim Basher)
>Date: 1 Jul 92 00:48:09 GMT
>Newsgroups: alt.drugs
>Subject: Re: LSD shelf life and MJ solubility
>
>In article <28JUN199218382107@sigma.tamu.edu> rkb6116@sigma.tamu.edu (Mr. Weather) writes:
>>1] Does LSD have a 'shelf life'?
>
>Yes.
>
>>   Is an older hit generally less potent than a newer hit?
>
>Yes.
>
>>   If so, does this depend anything such as kind of blotter, storage
>>   conditions, etc. ?
>
>Yes.
>
>I would recommend you read the "FAQ: LSD", last posted on June 24, 1992.
>If you cannot find it in the newsgroup, you can obtain the FAQ via anonymous
>FTP from milton.u.washington.edu:/public/alt.drugs/FAQ-LSD.Z.
>
>If you want references to find out more:
>
>According to [1] LSD in solution [buffer] will decline to 25% of the original
>amount after 7 days at room temperature in daylight.  LSD is solution will
>only decline to 80% of the original amount after six days at room temperature
>but in flourescent lighting.
>
>According to [2] LSD in solution [urine] is stable [less than 10% loss] for
>up to 28 days after storage at room temperature [25 C.] and in the dark.
>Even after 6 months of storage at room temperature, the concentration is
>still 66% of the original amount.
>
>"LSD is not stable at elevated temperature.  Concentrations ... stored at
>50 C. dropped to 85% of control after 24 hours.  A further reduction to
>59% of control was noted after 4 weeks." [2]
>
>"LSD was stable after 3 months of refrigeration when protected from light." [2]
>
>As a first order approximation, chemical reaction rates double for every 10
> degrees Centrigrade that the temperature is raised.
>
>[1] 
>Ratcliffe, W.A.; Fletcher, S.M.; Moffat, A.C.; et. al.
>"Radioimmunoassay of Lysergic Acid Diethylamide (LSD) in serum and urine
>by using antisera of different specificities."
>Clinical Chemistry.  v23n2, Feb 1977, p169-74.
>[2]
>Lim, H.K.; Andrenyak, D.; Francom, P.; Bridges, R.R.; Foltz, R.L.
>"Determination of LSD in urine by capillary column gas chromatography
>and electron impact mass spectrometry."
>Journal of Analytical Toxicology.  v12n1, Jan-Feb 1988, p1-8.

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From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Organization: Microdata Oy
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:56:15 GMT

rda767f@nella8.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Leighton) writes:

>I hate to say this but you have your facts mixed up!!

   I don't know about the previous poster, but you have done a good job
at joining the club.

>Those little cannisters contain Nitrogen Dioxide which is NO2.

   I have never bought or seen the little canisters, but NO2 reacts with water
to form nitric acid (HNO3), which at least I wouldn't want to eat in my
birthday cake. Therefore it can be assumed that the little canisters, supposing
that they are intended for food production, do not contain nitrogen dioxide.

>Nitrous Oxide is NO and is known as laughing gas

   Nitrogen monoxide (NO) is no laughing matter, either. Especially not when
you are telling people to inhale it.

>Be warned!! N2O is highly poisonous ie LETHAL.

   Greetings from beyond the grave. Even if dinitrogen oxide (N2O) i.e.
nitrous oxide is lethal, it's worth it! You will have a hell of a time
while killing yourself with it and I can tell you from personal experience
that it's not so bad in the realm of the dead.

   Wow, it's so awesome to play expert. Hopefully *I* got my facts right.

>rda767f@nellads.cc.monash.edu.au
>rda767f@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au   
>bagel@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au     

jah@styx.hell.org
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jah@mits.mdata.fi                 The water may turn to cherry wine
Finger for public PGP key         And the silver will turn to gold
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: Ephedrone ('Russian Speed')
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date:  8 Nov 92 18:34:29 GMT

ahead@nyx.cs.du.edu (Adam Head) writes:


>Ephedrone is simply ephedrine with the OH group converted to an O attached
>by a double bond.  

What you have described is methylcathinone.  Has this been specifically 
scheduled?

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From: jcherney@envy.reed.edu (Joel Alexander Charney)
Subject: Re: diff between Bong/Water Pipe
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:06:38 GMT
Reply-To: jcherney@reed.edu

> In article <1992Nov10.124246.11775@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>     
> Markus.Grunert@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Markus Grunert) writes:
>> I wanna know what is the differents between a Bong and a Water Pipe ???
>> Maybe a FAQ.
>> 
>>  Please e-mail me.

In article <92315.115538IO20639@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO20639@MAINE.MAINE.EDU  
writes:
> me too!
> me too!

Well, I'll post what I know.  I seem to recall "water-pipe for use with  
legal tobacco only" being a catch-phrase to see a careful shop's bong  
selection.  Saying "bong" implies use with pot for some reason (I don't  
know why; I *only* use tobacco in my water-pipe! heh heh heh), and so is  
of dubious legality.
From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] SO's and drugs
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:36:14 GMT
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711

In article <1992Nov4.102756.442@lrc.edu> twiggs_te@lrc.edu writes:
>	What, are you rich or something?  Wasn't that a tad expensive?

People who can describe their MDMA dosages in milligrams probably
aren't paying end-user prices...

>	Simple solution:  Put the MDMA powder in her drink while she's not
>aware.  I've done this to several people, including a religious extremist, 

Dosing someone without their consent or knowledge is bad.  Dosing
someone vehemently opposed to drug use is worse.  People can well
have bad reactions to MDMA, but a good reaction might well be harder
to deal with for an anti-drug person.

With respect to the original post, I think suggesting some things to
read might be helpful.  While the argument that alcohol is illegal
for her too -- and far more harmful -- is valid, any argument tends
to invoke "defense" mechanisms.  There's less ego involved in
reading; I, at least, find it easier to admit error when reading
than when engaged in a discussion with a particular person.  

I used to be anti-drugs by default -- every decent person is,
right?  But, as with your girlfriend, this applied only to illegal
drugs; my nutmeg attempt occurred during this period.  My eventual
conclusion that illegal drugs weren't so bad came after doing a fair
amount of reading, which happened after my conclusion that I was
clueless about gun control led to my investigation of minarchism.
The NRA is a gateway organization for heroin use, eh?  I keep some
essays about that I wrote on gun control, drug legalization, and
Milton Friedman, which I reread occasionally to remind myself how
easy it is to be certain when you have no idea what you're talking
about.

   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu
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From: u8802770@cs.uow.edu.au (Glenn Mark Vassallo)
Subject: Re: Acid activities
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:48:28 GMT

>In a previous article, cl962i@mips.cs.murdoch.edu.au (Justine Walters) says:

>>
>>Hi !
>>
>>A FOAF (heh !) is thinking of trying Acid for the first time, and was
>>wondering if you guys knew of anything GOOD to do to enhance the experience.
>>
>>A friend has already suggested watching Fantasia (particularly the dancing
>>mushrooms) ... anyone else got any interesting suggestions ??
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Jus

A FOAF sujests night time acid snorkling or skindiving, make sure you
bring a torch and select a place with lots a colour and sealife, you 
may not be ready for this being a first timer , but it's something to
look forward to.
			-Glenn (High, How are you)