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From: mystical@nmt.edu (Gurupartap Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Install OS/2 from driver B
Date: 15 Nov 92 01:00:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: nmt.1992Nov15.010056.1241
Organization: New Mexico Tech


>No, that is not correct.  Info-Zip's UnZip 5.0 is available in
>versions for all major platforms, including DOS.  Any DOS archive site
>should have Info-Zip's UnZip 5.0.
>

Speaking of Info-Zip, I was wondering if anyone knew how to unzip into
a directory other than the current one.  I was used to using pkunzip where
you could be in your download directory (eg: c:\comm\dl) and automatically
unzip something into your temporary unzip directory (c:\comm\dl\zip) so that 
you can decide whether or not you really want it and easily delete it later.
Another thing I don't like about it is the no wildcards.  I sometimes get
files like abcde01.zip, abcde02.zip abcde03.zip, etc.  I like to be able
to get at them all at once...
Do these features actually exist, and I'm just too stupid to know how to use
them, or if not, would anyone know how to patch it into the source?
Thanks.


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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Creating a ram disk for a single VDM
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:43:53 GMT

In article <83840@ut-emx.uucp> jbodnar@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (John Bodnar) writes:
>How do you create a ram disk for a single VDM session?  The VDISK.SYS
>driver only works in the CONFIG.SYS and is common across all VDM sessions.
>I tried using the RAMDRIVE.SYS that comes with DOS 5.0, but it comes up
>with SYS3176 errors and one time with a SYS2240 (Can't use block device
>driver in specific VDM).
>There are some other ram disk utilities out there that I haven't tried, but
>it'd be less of a problem to use the generic DOS 5.0 driver.

It might work in a specific DOS session -- see the online Command
Reference under VMDISK and/or Appendix E of your Installation Guide
for details.

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From: lclarke@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Lee Clarke)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: HELP: Can't run MSD.EXE from DOS window
Date: 21 Nov 92 11:17:25 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

try opening the dos settings and under the "version" category, enter
msd.exe,5,0,255
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jst50986@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jack S. Tan)
Subject: Re: How do I unfragment my HD
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:06:10 GMT

Bertram.Moshier@f115.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Bertram Moshier) writes:

> Yes, you can defrag your FAT disk after booting DOS natively.
> 
> BTW, one of the advantages of HPFS is it defrags itself.  While it
> doesn't defrag files, it works hard at keeping its bands compressed.
> 
> BTW, the GammaTech utilities provide HPFS file defrag.
> 
> Bert Moshier
> 

On a tangent, is there any utility that can track free CPU/disk time and
apply them for purposeful activity?  For example, if the hard disk is
sitting idle, then OS/2 could do some defragmentation or swapfile/*.ini
maintenance.  Perhaps a program launcher (even a REXX script) with these
programs set at very low priorities could do the same thing.  (The swap-
file maintenance would be especially useful.)

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jahk@uiuc.edu                       It works better if you plug it in.

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jst50986@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jack S. Tan)
Subject: Re: A neophyte asks: Can you get rid of Windows?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:36:21 GMT

jedwards@ms.uky.edu (Jonathan Edwards) writes:

>clagett@ms.uky.edu (Bill Clagett) writes:
>
>>I don't know how OS/2 runs Windows programs.  I don't really care
>>either.  If you are not interested in Windows, can the
>>emulation/whatever be removed.  How much diskspace does this save?
>
>When you install, you have the option not to install Windows support.
>Presumably it can be removed after it has been installed, but I'm 
>not sure how to do that...

Deleting the \OS2\MDOS\WINOS2 directory and subdirectories below should do
the trick.

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Jack Tan                                     Sattinger's Law:
jahk@uiuc.edu                       It works better if you plug it in.

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: skagos@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (P. Takis Skagos)
Subject: CSD and swapfile
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:05:49 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, SK, Canada

Hello,

  Since installing the CSD (oh, Service Pac .... :-) ), my swapfile seems
to grow much faster and bigger than it did before.  There's no real problem
with this since the swapfile does indeed shrink in size after a while,
but it is bohtersome.  What'd I'd like to know is if anyone else is
experiencing this problem and/or has found a fix for it.

  Thanks for any information!

  P. Takis Skagos
  (skagos@cs.uregina.ca)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Distribution: jadpc2
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 17:08:46 -0800
From: Craig_Swanson@f514.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Re: OS2SYS.INI file keeps growing to > 5 MB
Comment-To: Jonathan_Bruce_Hacker@f514.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: Craig_Swanson@f514.n202.z1.fidonet.org
X-FSC-PATH: 202/514

>>By os2sys.ini has creeped up to 140K recently, so I'll have to reset
it
>>again when it gets too big. 4, 5, 6 megs for OS2sys.ini is way too
big.
>>this is a bug.

 JBH> It might help if someone used one of the ini editors to see
actually
 JBH> what is in these huge files.  That should be a big clue!!

I suspect that the files might be growing because of freespace
fragmentation leaving lots of little freespace regions that are not
big enough to use for anything.  This could happen easily if key
values were changed often.Without studying the way that the INI files
store data, however, this is just a guess.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: OS/2 Comm Programs?
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.apps
Keywords: OS/2 COMM
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:02:59 GMT

In article <BxrvwA.I83@world.std.com> jpole@world.std.com (Jamie C Pole) writes:
>  Does anyone know of any good shareware (NOT begware or crippleware) PM
>comm programs?  I use TE/2 right now, but it is text mode only...  Thanks
>a lot...

Well, we have PM Terminal (which comes with OS/2 2.0, and which
shouldn't be dismissed out of hand), PMQVT (which I don't like much),
a PM version of Kermit (ditto; a bit dated, but it does do Tektronix),
PMComm (crippleware; Zmodem and scripting work in the registered
version), the WLO port of Windows Terminal (not my favorite), and
perhaps a couple others.  All are available via anonymous ftp from
ftp-os2.nmsu.edu.

There's no real standout in the bunch.  On the commercial side there
are some darn good ones, like TalkThru, ChipChat, Dynacomm
Asynchronous, and, soon, HyperAccess/5 PM.

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From: sal8@po.cwru.edu (Steve Luzynski)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: IBM OS/2 sweeps triple crown - IBM Press Release
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:39:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
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In article <168A5A09F.MLONG@isucard.card.iastate.edu> MLONG@isucard.card.iastate.edu writes:
>From: MLONG@isucard.card.iastate.edu
>Subject: IBM OS/2 sweeps triple crown - IBM Press Release
>Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:25:19 GMT
> IBM OS/2 2.0 SWEEPS TRIPLE CROWN OF PC INDUSTRY                                
> November 19, 1992                                                              
>                                                                                
> LAS VEGAS, November 19 . . . IBM's OS/2* 2.0 advanced                          
> operating system recently received top honors from three                       
> flagship PC industry publications, including two awards                        
> presented here at COMDEX/Fall '92.                                             
>                                                                                
> PC/Computing on Sunday named OS/2 2.0 co-winner of the                         
> operating system/environment award as part of its annual                       
> "Most Valuable Products" (MVP) awards ceremony.  In                            
> selecting OS/2 2.0 for this honor, the editors of                              
> PC/Computing stated, "this is the operating system Windows**                   
> 3.1 should have been."                                                         

This just shows what a bunch of numnuts the editors of PC/Computing are. Who 
the hell ever said Windows 3.1 was an _operating system_?? It's a pretty 
shell for a 16 bit non re-entrant interrupt handler written in the early 
80's for a processor limited by design to 1M of RAM.

Oh, that's right. MICROSOFT said it's an operating system. Never mind. :)

[it is nice to get some recoginition for OS/2 even if the people doing the 
recognizing can't tell their left hand from their right unless Bill Gates 
tells them which is which.]

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: greve@rs1.thch.uni-bonn.de (Thomas Greve)
Subject: Re: "DOS from Drive A" fails with "Illegal Inst
Organization: University of Bonn, phys. Chemistry
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:06:34 GMT

In article <1dsug0INNmjf@myall.awadi.com.au> dhichens@awadi.com.au writes:
>>	Has anybody come across the problem of "DOS from Drive A"
>> failing with an "Illegal Instruction" error? The problem occured both
>> before and after installing the service pack.

>	The solution was to set the `HW_ROM_TO_RAM' setting under `DOS
> settings' to on and reduce the `DOS_RMSIZE' setting to 624K to make
> room for the ROM mapping. The ROM BIOS settings were then accessed
> from (much faster) RAM which eliminated the problem. It was suggested
> that I do this for all DOS sessions even though I have not had this
> problem with normal DOS sessions.
Hm. This seems to be a bit, say, misleading to me. I also had (yes,
past tense :-) this sys3176 error, and even worse, a total crash of
the system ('... internal error ... contact IBM ...').

But my BIOS ROM is shadowed by chipset on bootup (so no need for
HW_RAM_to_ROM) and it always passes the power on self test (with
checksum!). So anyone with a clone AT should be able to leave
HW_RAM_to_ROM disabled, as he can enable shadowing by the chip set
(you probably can't on true blue PS's ;-).

This was due to the following:
  o  i had rem'd out the vdpmi.sys in config.sys -- i don't run
     windoze 
  o  i had set _dpmi_ to _auto_

Either re-enabling vdpmi.sys or setting _dpmi_ to _disabled_ improved
the situation from total crash (with following hard boot and chkdsk --
*this* is annoying...) to `sys3176'. But no working DOS session yet.

Another interesting thing was the error, that occurred when i tried a
`DOS from drive A': without fsfilter: no problem, with fsfilter:
freeze of the desktop, hard boot required.

Interesting, because the image of this very disk created by VMDisk
booted happily. The problem was: `DOS from drive A' *must* have
INT_during_IO *disabled*! You'll (this is just guessing) run into bad
old reentrance problems otherwise -- as you have a bad old DOS
running...

A DOS session with all memory features (EMS, XMS, DPMI, DOS hi, UMB)
disabled was the first one that worked reliably. If this does not work
for you, i might have a look on my other DOS_Settings, as i've changed
virtually all of them...

(From memory:
  o  HW_Timer on
  o  FastPaste on
  o  Refresh_Emulation off
  o  no memory enabled/disabled [except mine enabled ;-]
  o  ...)

Now i have a DOS_from_A session running nicely (with HIMEM -- take
that one from \os2\mdos! -- and fsfilter) and a NW lite server running
in it. A box in a box ;-).
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: ebb7683@venus.tamu.edu (BLACKMAN, EDWARD B)
Subject: Re: Windows don't remember positions
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:17:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.040059.24608@midway.uchicago.edu>, sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes...
>In article <1992Nov9.193724.8543@wam.umd.edu> adhir@wam.umd.edu (Al Dhir) writes:
>>Again, the "better programmers" you are referring to SHOULD have been the
>>ones at IBM.  Why didn't they add a "prune INI files" option so that we
>>wouldn't get stuck with an umpteen meg INI file?  You bring up the WIN.INI
>>file...well, the biggest WIN.INI file I have ever run across was about 50
>>or 60k long.  The OS/2 ini files are 4 times this to begin with.
> 
>Actually, they did provide several methods to prune the INI files.  In
>the Redbooks, for example, they suggest making back ups of these INI
>files, so that you can revert to the old one should you do something
>you don't like.  They have issued rudimentary INI file editors as part
>of the Employee Written Software program (look on
>software.watson.ibm.com), and there are various third party efforts
>(e.g. ShowINI, INIMaint, etc).

What about the people who don't know about/have access to outside sources
like bulletin boards and FTP sites?

>                                The ALT-F1 trick on boot up restores
>the INI files and desktop from the install defaults.  And the MAKEINI
>program, documented in the printed material accompanying OS/2, does
>something similar.

I'm sorry, Tim, but to suggest using Alt-F1 or MAKEINI to prune bloated INI 
files is like saying "You want to trim your hair, eh?  Well, you've got a 
perfectly good weed trimmer.  Why don't you try that?"  It does the job, but
the damage it does is greater than the good.

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From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Paradise says it is not working on 2.0 video drivers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:08:10 GMT

jdecarlo@mitre.org (John DeCarlo) writes:
>Well, the last time this came up (April?), I called Western Digital (then 
>owners of Paradise) twice and got two different answers from the Paradise 
>Video support people.  I believe Western Digital was purchased by someone 
>else since then.  Anyway, they don't seem to have their act together.
*----
Western Digital sold their ethernet and display lines, I think, but the
company itself is still around.  So it's probably true that they're not
intending to write new drivers.  Whoever purchased the display line
(SMC bought the ethernet business) probably will.

A few weeks ago, somebody reported that DTC told him they had no
plans to provide OS/2 drivers for their SCSI controllers, but last
night I noticed ASPI and OS/2 drivers for the 3280 on-line on their
BBS.  It just goes to show that you can't always believe what you
hear!
--
	Mike Berger
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
From: Bertram.Moshier@f115.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Bertram Moshier)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: OS/2 Crashproof? NOT!
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:50:53 -0600

Mike:

As for the single PM message queue, say goodbye to it with OS/2 2.1
according to the IBMers who talk to me.  The single message queue leaves
and in its places comes a PM with works across machines and with
X-Windows (server and client).  This allows X-Windows programs to run on
the Workplace Shell and OS/2 PM program to run on X-Windows
terminals/servers.

Bert.


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: "marc bourassa" <marc.bourassa@canrem.com>
Subject: pause in loading os/2
Reply-To: "marc bourassa" <marc.bourassa@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 21 Nov 92 08:42:27 EST

>Sometime in the last couple of weeks, a pause has developed in the loading
>of OS/2.  After the title screen with the GA text comes up, the computer
>waits about 10 seconds before hitting the harddrive again.
>Does anyone know the reason behind this or better yet, a solution???

Hi Andrew,

I'm not sure what you mean by "GA Text", this may invalidate my 
suggestion. I have applied the Service Pack and noticed a growing delay 
on boot-up of OS/2. It turns out that my OS2SYS.INI file had grown 
substantially (from 300+ K to over 6 Megs now!). I have a CALL in my 
CONFIG.SYS file that XCOPYs my OS2.INI and OS2SYS.INI files to a backup 
directory. You may have the same problem.

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From: mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mike Levis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: [.] and [..] keep showing up in root directory
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:09:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: ringer.1992Nov18.070930.6480
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <wiegand.721948311@lido16> motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net writes:
>lion@dat1hb.north.de (Daniel Tietze) writes:

[Daniel says "." and ".." shows up in HPFS root directory]

>These are supposed to be there. I'm not sure what you did to make them
>visible, but they were always there. The single dot "." is for the directory
>information, and the double dot ".." has information on the parent directory.
>For the root directory there is no parent.
>
>Thats why specifying "." in a command such as "copy b: ." gives you the
>current directory. Specifying ".." such as "cd .." gives you the parent
>directory.
>
>I would suspect you just changed the atributes on these from hidden to
>normal, which would explain why they are showing up in you directory.

The "." and ".." are supposed to visible in the HPFS root directory.

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Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 19:39:20 EDT
From: <BARON@FRECP12.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: TRAP0002

I experienced the same problem when I added 70ns RAM (4Mb) to 80ns RAM.
I changed these 80 to 70 and everything worked.
I'm really think your problem comes from the difference between your first
and last 4Mb.

                                    Sebastien Baron.     ECP
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: what cluster size ???
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:48:07 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Nov15.4881.33128@dosgate> "andrew makiejewski" <andrew.makiejewski@canrem.com> writes:
>
>Does anyone have a break down of what the cluster sizes are for the
>different ranges of partition sizes. If so can you please send me a
>message containing this info.

First of all, HPFS drives don't use clusters.  All HPFS files are
allocated in units of 512 bytes.

As for FAT volumes, I believe it goes as follows:
	360K floppies: 1K clusters
        other floppies: 512 byte clusters
	hard drive partitions below 32MB: 1K clusters
	hard drive partitions below 64MB: 2K clusters
	hard drive partitions below 128MB: 4K clusters
	hard drive partitions below 256MB: 8K clusters

It should be obvious that if you need FAT storage, you should probably
keep your partitions smaller than 128MB, and maybe below 64MB.
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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: How to generate HPIII ps files ....
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:31:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.212530.5371@umr.edu> jlu@cs.umr.edu ( Eric Jui-Lin Lu ) writes:
>In window env, I can generate HPIII ps files by setting HPIII
>printer port to file.  Is it possible to do the same thing in
>OS/2 2.0?  Thanks!

Sure.  Within the printer object you'll find a page listing all the
ports available.  There is a checkbox where you can elect to have the
output go to a file.  You will be prompted when you print for the name
of the output file.

Go to your print object, click on it with mouse button two, and select
Open -> Settings.  Click on the Output tab, and you'll find the
checkbox.

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From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: SYS0627 while running CHKDSK /F
Date: 17 Nov 1992 13:21:25 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston


While I was running CHKDSK /F:3 to recover from my experiment with crashing
with WINOS2 and desktop drag, I saw something interesting:

SYS0627:
Drive D: was improperly stopped. From the OS/2 command prompt,
run CHKDSK with the /F parameter on the specified drive.

Press Enter to continue.

Sounds like there needs to be a flag set somewhere...the message is nice, but
should not appear while the very action it calls for is being done! It'd be
nice at other times, though.

This is with the Service Pack installed.
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