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From: bisbalr@pell2l24.alleg.edu (Rodrigo Bisbal)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: International & Special Interest  College Organizations
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:56:10 GMT
Organization: Allegheny College

Hello there,
My name is Rodrigo Bisbal and I am the President of the International Club  
at Allegheny College. We are located in Meadville, PA, 1 1/2 hours drive  
from Pittsburgh and Cleveland and 40 min from Erie. I am posting this  
message because I want to draw the interest of other Organizations like  
the International Club at Allegheny. Our group is very diverse and fun, we  
have students from all over the world including american students of  
course. 
We'd like to contact other groups to exchange  experiences, ideas and  
projects, specially Universities located in this part of the country, PA,  
OH, NY, DC, etc,etc.
We are a very active group and we are willing to take advantage of this  
short period of time (just 4 years !) that we (including me ) spend here  
in the States .
If you want to contact us and know more about each other please responde  
to the address below. 
That's all for now.

Rodrigo Bisbal
International Club                 e-mail==>  bisbalr@alleg.edu
Box 65 Allegheny College
Meadville, PA 16335
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From: michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan)
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.censorship,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
Subject: Re: What is "banning" anyway?
Date: 2 Oct 92 09:48:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: resonex.1992Oct2.094816.20638
Distribution: na
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA

In article <BETSYS.92Oct1171720@ra.cs.umb.edu> betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:
>  Saying "you may post this material anywhere except for this one
>place" is a far cry from prohibiting or forbidding the material!

Ok, consider that statement in the context of the following statement:

     "You may have this book anyplace except in the public library."


I agree that your policy is nowhere near as serious as universities which
ban entire newsgroup heirarchies, or cancel student accounts without
warning for minor breeches of nettiquette.  However, I would personally
take offense at somebody telling me what I could and could not put in
my .plan file.  If someone *requests* information on me by issuing the
finger command, they are asking to see what I have to say.  That is a
far cry different from me doing something like putting up a flyer in
a hallway, or standing on a street corner shouting out obscenities.

Granted, if I didn't want people to have reason to find me crude and
offensive, I would probably temper the content of my .plan file.  But
it should be *my* choice to decide what people find out about me when
the ask for information on me and my account.

If you don't like the inclusion of your University in the list, there's
an incredibly simple solution:  change your policy.

-- 
Michael Bryan  michael@resonex.com  "Milk and Cheese in '92!"  |     ,_,
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Newsgroups: soc.college,sci.econ,misc.legal
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: Re: the MIT anti-trust case
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:26:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.194255.22308@news.yale.edu> (J Klein) writes:
>Sorry if I was unclear.  That argument you did indeed respond to.  I was
>referring to the argument vis-a-vis the redistribution of wealth towards
>rich students away from poorer students.  Your argument has essentially
>been "it's against the law" not "this why it's good for students."

I've argued it on both levels.  I've also argued it on the level that
poor students weren't necessarily benefited by the overlap.  See the
list posted in my previous post, <1992Oct1.074723.7547@midway.uchicago.edu>.
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Newsgroups: soc.college
From: sdt8s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Subject: Monthly GRE's?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:43:42 GMT

I heard somewhere that there's a place in DC that offers the
GRE on a monthly basis...Can anyone confirm this? Where is it?

Thanks,
Steve
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Newsgroups: soc.college
From: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
Subject: Re: SURVEY: Intervisitation Policy at YOUR school?
Reply-To: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:41:59 GMT

In article <".4-Oct-92.15:08:29.EDT".*.James_S._Bright.wbst129@Xerox.com> JBright.Wbst129@xerox.com writes:
>
>Well, I'd like to introduce my school -- Virginia Tech, whose board of
>directors are super-conservative. Okay, the deal is that on the weeknights (in
>most Halls) you can have someone over until 2:00 in the morning. After that,
>they best be gone. 

Sheesh!  I thought all this in loco parentis stuff went out with hula
hoops.  At Columbia, all dorms are co-ed (with the exception of *one*
all-male and *one* all-female floor in Carman, an all-freshman dorm).
The university is smart enough to realize that it's none of their
business who you've got in the privacy of your own room.  Some floors
have co-ed bathrooms, and no one finds it so stange (I never
understood the big deal was anyway).  There are no "visitation"
hours...you can have anyone you please in your room, at any hour of
the night.  Heck, I know of one couple with adjacent rooms...they put
both desks in one room, making it the work room, and both beds
together in the other, making it the bedroom.


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From: narayan@cs.montana.edu (R. A. Narayan)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: IP address of Villanova Univ.
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:18:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717


Hello folks,

Could you please give me the IP address of Villanova Univ? Prefer the Computer
Science/Engineering Dept.

Thanks,

Narayan

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From: James_S._Bright.wbst129@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: SURVEY: Intervisitation Policy at YOUR school?
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:08:29 GMT
Reply-To: JBright.Wbst129@xerox.com


Adam Elman writes:

>(this is going via e-mail too) Wow.  I thought that sort of thing was
>a thing of the past at most schools.  At most of the schools I know
>of, (although I can only speak for sure for here), coed dorms are the
>norm and there is no such thing as an "intervisitation policy".
>I can have anyone in my room at any time.
>
>How, by the way, do they enforce these rules?

Well, I'd like to introduce my school -- Virginia Tech, whose board of
directors are super-conservative. Okay, the deal is that on the weeknights (in
most Halls) you can have someone over until 2:00 in the morning. After that,
they best be gone. On the weekends, you can (again, in most Halls) have someone
over starting 10:00 in the morning on Friday until 2:00am Sun night -- all
weekend. That's not that bad ... (but what happens when you're studying with
someone of the opposite sex on a weeknight and you forget that they had to
leave an hour ago at two o'clock ???) So it goes - IMHO dumn policy.

We have Co-ed buildings. They are Co-Ed by floor or by wing -- so you'd never
have someone of the opposite sex right across the hall or next door.

Stanford is private (correct, no?) while New Mexico State University (original
poster's school) and Va Tech are not. That usually has something to do with it
too.

How are they enforced? Good question. Most times it's an honor policy. Here's
where my expertise comes in (please no hate mail). When I'm at school, I'm an
RA. Okay, so the way it's enforced (most of the time) is when I see someone on
my floor of the opposite sex after visitation, I ask them to leave. They do.
They know they shouldn't be there, so they go. Hey there are lounges that are
open to anyone 24 hours a day. Usually they just go there. Say I walk by your
room and you have someone of the opposite sex in there after visitation. If the
door is closed, how am I supposed to know that you're breaking the rules? I
don't. Most residents are smart enough to know how to get by visitation if they
want to.

I wish all this was a thing of the past. I know that we won't have completely
Co-Ed Halls or total free visitation policy at Va Tech for a long time to come.
I fight for these things whenever the opportunity arises.

jbright.wbst129@xerox.com

disclaimer: These views are strictly my own, are not meant to represent
Xerox, its associates, my parents, my school, nor my dog's.
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: gdsimpso@unix.amherst.edu (GILBERTO DANIEL SIMPSON)
Subject: Latino E-Mailing List
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:08:20 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.censorship,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen)
Subject: Re: Academic Gun Rights 1992 (was Re: Banned Computer Material 1992)
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:41:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.174934.2581@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>I assume you mean guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. As far as I know,
>the right to keep arms, say in a univeristy office, are not guarenteed
>by any statements of academic freedom. Do you really think
>it should be?

After the shootings at Concordia University in Montreal, most university
administrators will be particularly uncomfortable with the idea of anyone
carrying guns on campus.

At the University of Toronto, the university police do not carry guns, 
or even nightsticks. If a situation is more than what an unarmed officer
can handle, the Metropolitan Toronto police are called in.

As well, there have been suggestions at the University of Toronto that the
gun club at Hart House, the long-established campus recreation centre,
should be gotten rid of. I think the gun club is still around, though.
(I believe it has been around as long as Hart House, actually.)



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From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Changing names of the student body (poll)
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:26:37 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <MSALETNI.92Oct6091025@jade.tufts.edu> msaletni@jade.tufts.edu (Michael J. Saletnik) writes:
>I'd like to take an informal poll, if you don't mind.  How many people
>have seen their college or university, sometime in the last 4 years,
>change the title for new students from "Freshmen" to something else,
>such as "First Years" ?
>
>If so, was it due to public pressure, or the decision of one person
>made in silence over the summer?
>
>What do you feel about this change?  Do you feel "Freshmen" is a
>derogatory term and "First Year" is not, or you feel that "Freshman"
>is a term that has been used for so long that it has lost that stigma?
>


"Frosh" is the term used here for members of the freshman class.

No PC _freshwomen_, _freshwomyn_, or _freshwymyn_, or freshman, 
unless (freshmen, freshman that is) you are referring of course 
to the whole class, 
or,
if you are using it as a derogatory term, "Just look at that (group of)
freshman!  Humph, kids!"

etc.


later.

andy
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.censorship,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: kraussW@moravian.edu (Bill Krauss - SysAdm)
Subject: Re: Banned Computer Material 1992
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 12:08:02 EDT

In <1992Oct1.134706.25819@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes:

>RE: Computer code bans at Ball State U. and U. of Wyoming
>Hank Nussbacher <HANK@BARILVM.BITNET> writes:
>[...]
>>I somehow don't understand the two examples above - how does
>>this impinge the rights of their free speech?  Let us take the first example:
>>suppose I carry a handgun tucked under my shirt.  I have not used it and don't
>>intend to use it.  What right does anyone have to stop me and take away my gun
>>when I enter their building?
>[...]

>The right to bare arms is not (usually) part of academic freedom.

Why not?  If Freedom of Speech and Right to Keep and Bare Arms are both
guaranteed how can we discount one just because it is not frequently considered?

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Newsgroups: soc.college,sci.econ
From:  (J Klein)
Subject: Re: the MIT anti-trust case
Followup-To: soc.college,sci.econ,misc.legal
Organization: Public Macs, Academic Computing, Yale University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:42:55 GMT

> >What you name a self-serving claim, others would label an argument.  You
> >still have to respond to it.
> 
> I've 
> 
> (1) posted the district court's refutation of the claim ... etc...

> I'm sorry that you don't consider any of these adequate responses.

Sorry if I was unclear.  That argument you did indeed respond to.  I was
referring to the argument vis-a-vis the redistribution of wealth towards
rich students away from poorer students.  Your argument has essentially
been "it's against the law" not "this why it's good for students."
Newsgroups: soc.college,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.censorship,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield)
Subject: Re: Banned Computer Material 1992
Organization: Syracuse University, CIS Dept.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 15:31:56 EDT

In article <1992Oct1.140655.26052@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>>Unless I am mistaken, the US Bill of Rights which include the right to
>>free speech, etc. has not been accepted as the Bill of Rights to the World.
>>Have you checked that each of these countries (Ireland, Turkey, etc.) have
>>a law of free speech as the US does?  Or are you merely applying your own
>>form of geocentricism which dictates that the entire world has to follow
>>what the USA says and does?
>
>[...]
>
>I am also
>encouraged that the U.N. recognizes that at least some freedom of
>expression is needed has part of basic human rights (e.g. Charter 19)

I don't have the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in front of me,
but I assume that the reference to Charter 19 is a reference to that.

Certainly, all nations which are part of the United Nations must have
accepted that document--so in an abstract, legal sense, they have
freely accepted the responsibility to protect free expression rights.
Of course, in practice, lots of nations totally ignore many provisions of
the UDHR.


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Newsgroups: soc.college
From: harbirk@ifi.uio.no (Harbir Singh Kohli)
Subject: Univ of Wimona
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:04:08 GMT
Originator: harbirk@slora.ifi.uio.no


I am looking for  afriend of mine at the University of Wimona, I known 
the users account number(wntripsdd) but I can not find the the university listed 
anywhere.  Wimona is an Indian name and the university is located in 
Minnesota. I have tried to send to wntripsdd@MSUS.EDU and 
wntripsdd@msus1.bitnet and @MSUS1.MSUS.EDU none of them worked. Is there anyone
who can help.

thanks in advance

harbir
From: James_S._Bright.wbst129@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: SURVEY: Intervisitation Policy at YOUR school?
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:28:02 GMT
Reply-To: JBright.Wbst129@xerox.com


Steve Fadden writes:

>>Stanford is private (correct, no?) while New Mexico State University
(original
>>poster's school) and Va Tech are not. That usually has something to do with
it
>>too.
>
>What exactly do you mean by a school's being private/public having "something
todo with
>it" -- are you implying that some schools have more/less strict
>visitation policies, based on their funding?
>

Yeah, you raise a good point. But I think that public vs. private (along with
other factors such as the location of your school) usually does play a role in
the visitation. I mean say you went to St. SuchAndSuch (some fictious private
Catholic school). I would suspect that it would have strict visitation (strict
meaning that there are visitation rules to follow). An acception to the
gerneral rule.

At Va Tech, not only does the gov't play a role in the decision of policy, but
we also have a board of governor's (BOV - generally prestigous alumni of Tech).
So IMHO, if there is a general change in the way Universities across the
country are dealing with things such as Co-Ed Halls or visitation, we are way
behind the times (you have to get state's permission, you have to get BOV
permission, etc). Now this may not be the case with all schools, but I think it
is part of the reason we are so conservative.

>Public schools are funded primarily with public funds, and would thus be
>governed accordingly.

I guess the support to my argument is that we aren't funded primarily with
public funds -- only partially. We also have a lot of funding coming from
alumni and other sources -- that's part of the reason why we have a BOV.
Therefore, you have two crowds to please.

>At least, this is my impression; am I off-track?

I don't think so. I'm sure it varies from state to state.



jbright.wbst129@xerox.com

disclaimer: These views are strictly my own, are not meant to represent
Xerox, its associates, my parents, my school, nor my dog's.
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From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.censorship,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
Subject: Re: What is "banning" anyway?
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:43:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U

In article <BETSYS.92Oct1171720@ra.cs.umb.edu> betsys@cs.umb.edu
(Elizabeth Schwartz) writes: 
>My Random House defines it as to "prohibit, forbid or bar; interdict"
>I claim that is NOT what we are doing!
>  Saying "you may post this material anywhere except for this one
>place" is a far cry from prohibiting or forbidding the material!

Rephrase that, and it fits perfectly. 'You may not post this material
in this one place' sure sounds like prohibitting, forbidding, and
barring.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

	RA

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From: navsaria@bass.bu.edu (Dipesh Navsaria)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: BU Phone Rates Change...
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:16:29 GMT
Organization: Boston University


   This is a message which I posted to a few local area newsgroups...I thought
it might be appropriate here as well:

Over the summer, Boston University had contracted with New England Telephone
to modernize BU's phone system.  The results of the deal were as follows:
        o No matter which option you pick, (Measured, Metropolitan, etc.), you
          receive "free" call waiting, three-way calling, speed dialing, touch-
          tone, ring-back, and service on your lines.
        o You must use AT & T as your long distance carrier with the special
          ACUS program which has been set up.  The supposed discounts are only
          in effect at certain times which many students find inconvenient.
        o Calling plans can no longer be used...Calling cards, however, still
          work.

   While the long distance portion of the changes did not affect me to a great
extent, I was annoyed at the new rates they've set up.  It cost me $9.88 a
month over the summer for basic measured phone service and touch-tone, and now
for that same service (plus the supposedly "free" features which I don't want
nor need), I'm being charged over 14 dollars.

   I called New England Telephone and discovered that their measured service
rate has _not_ changed...but since I am a BU student, my dorm phone service
is now more expensive.  (I have lived in the same room through the summer and
into this academic year, and therefore have had the same phone number)

   I ask, what sort of ludicrous mess is this?  I absolutely refuse to pay
extra to help subsidize these uneeded services or the modernization...it
appears BU has a habit of making massive changes without consulting the people
who will be paying for it in the end.

   New England Telephone should realize that students, most of all, should be
given a break instead of being forced to foot a bill like this...I am aghast
at their actions.  I will not pay a cent more than regular subscribers in
Boston pay.

   I invite comments/thoughts/experiences from the readers of these newsgroups.
I intend to send a strongly-worded letter to New England Telephone, AT&T, and
BU's Telecommunications Office soon.

   Thanks!

                            Dipesh Navsaria
                        (navsaria@bu-pub.bu.edu)
        "Practice Random Kindness and Senseless Acts of Beauty"
==========================================================================

   Someone already flamed me for grousing at a small amount compared to
tuition...this is not so much a matter of money, but a matter of principle.
Essentially, NET changed my existing phone service without notifying me at
all...I only know of this through other students and calling them after I
received my phone bill.  If you're going to flame me, send it to /dev/null.

   Has anyone else out there had similar actions happen at their colleges?
If so, I'd like to hear about it!  Thanks!

						Dipesh
						(navsaria@bu-pub.bu.edu)

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