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From: mds5142@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.D. Shepherd)
Subject: Re: Dream Theater ???????????????????
Originator: mds5142@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:18:12 GMT

In article <naam.724170567@terra.cecer.army.mil> naam@cecer.army.mil (Ramez Naam) writes:
>donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
>
>>In article <naam.724101588@terra.cecer.army.mil> naam@cecer.army.mil (Ramez Naam) writes:
>>Every time a band uses one, the are accused of sounding like Rush. 
>>Pretty funny if you ask me.
>
>No, I'd say it's deeper than that.  The lyrics, and in places, the
>vocals, are very similar to Rush.  Now, I'm not saying it's a Rush 
>_influence_, just that a strong similarity is there.

Well, John Petrucci is a HUGE Alex Lifeson fan and his guitar work can
resemble some of Alex's once in a while.  Oh yeah, and the vocalist on the
first CD does sound a little like Geddy.  And with the odd time
signatures, that's about all they have in common with Rush.

The lyrics?  I have to disagree here.

Dream On,
Mike
-- 
Michael Shepherd ++ mds5142@ultb.isc.rit.edu ++ shepherd.wbst129@xerox.com
* From the pain come the dream, From the dream come the vision, From the *
* vision come the people, And from the people come the power, From this  *
* power come the change.  - P. Gabriel                                   *
From: caedmon@cats.ucsc.edu (Axeman)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Marty Friedman's "Scenes"
Date: 15 Dec 1992 03:16:26 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


donnell@eel.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:

>>ALas - how does it compare to DrAgOn's KisS?

>Simple. This is NOT an album of Heavy Metal guitar solos. It's classically
>influenced New age music. It's very good, but probably not everyones
>cup of tea. Very nice playing though!

Musically, Scenes is extremely repetitive.  I'm no keyboardist, but I
seemed to notice a lot of "woosh!"  "zot!" and various other sounds that
seemed to occur enough to annoy one.  Marty was at it full-force playing
(mostly) acoustic Japanese scale riffs over pretty much everything.  He
did do some original Blues scale stuff (if there IS any original blues
scale stuff).  I think he might have deviated from the standard Japanese
scale he ALWAYS uses and threw in some note from the harmonic minor.  I've
seen two variations of the Japanese scale in the same book so it's likely
he just used a synthesized japanese scale.  I guess what I'm trying to say
is:  Overkill on the Japanese Scale.  I thought he pretty much exhausted every
lick you can squeeze out of an exotic pentatonic scale, but I guess not.

A surprising thing is that he used a lot of major modes.  Marty is generally
only fond of major- anything in the form of power chords or arpeggieos.

I don't want to sound like I'm flaming Marty - I like scenes - but compared
to his stuff on Go Off! (Cacophony) and a bit of Speed Metal Symphony (Caco.),
Scenes was kind of bland, even for the genere of quasi-'New Age.'

Compared to Dragon's Kiss, marty did a lot of similar techniques.  He used
a lick for the last song on Scenes (Triumph?) that he used off of two 
different albums AND on his instructional video!  I wouldn't get so picky
about it, but he used a simple lick that repeated over and over again as the
basis for an entire song.  It's a pretty hokey lick, too.  Too happy. :)

I think Scenes is == to Dragon's Kiss, except Rhythm Guitar was replaced by
Neat Zamfir WOOSH! Noises.

Sorry for the rec.music.makers viewpoint, but I couldn't resist!



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From: huebnerd@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Daniel Huebner)
Subject: NECRONOMICON LYRICS
Originator: huebnerd@hphalle9j.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:05:50 GMT


I'm searching for the lyrics of the following songs from Necronomicon :
	Death toll
	Dirty Minds
	Cold Ages (Darkland III)

and also for the lyrics to Griffin's "Travelling in time".
If you have them please post 'em here.

CU, the Necromancer.

		KEEP ON ROCKIN !
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From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: MORE ON THIS SELLING OUT THING
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:37:20 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Dec16.171041.4653@memstvx1.memst.edu>, mech14017020@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:

> Come on now! If you have ever seen Metallica on any tour other than this
> latest one, you know that they like to fuck around on stage.

I only went to see them on one tour (where they were the only ones
performing) but the guy I went to see it with had seen them before. He
was looking forward to it because it was such a great show. After the
show we were both disappointed. He'll be the first one to tell you that
their show *sucked* compared to what they used to do. They played very
slo-o-o-ow. What I am saying is that if you've seen Metallica on any
other tour in the past, that might be one reason you're calling them
sellouts.

But I guess their fucking around was OK, actually the drum battle was
the best part of the concert IMO.

> Metallica have always used alot of pyro, but not as much as
> other bands. It's there to add to the music. If they were to just stand
> around playing, not communicating with the audience, with no lights or
> pyro, people would say it was a truly shitty show and that they are
> arrogant bastards.

I wish they *would* leave out the pyrotechnics and lights. And I know
I'm not the only one. For some people they're distressing (us vampires :)

> Lighten up, all of Metallica's albums have been
> different from the previous one. People were actually calling them sellouts
> when they heard a ballad was going to be on Ride the Lightning. Don't
> worry, the next Metallica album will be different.
> 		
> 		Troy

I hope it's different. But I'll believe it when I hear it. They've gone
way downhill from RTL.

--Semhaza 
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From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Skyclad... info needed!
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:18:53 GMT

>
>Not EVERYONE has to like them.The point is that the band is LEGEND despite they
>put sometmes shitty stuff. And if you or someone else doesn't like it,
>that does't mean it sucks.In fact, if there weren't sabbath, there would't be
>metal.If there weren't sabbat, there just wouldn't be skyclad.But not that big
>deal.In fact I like SKYCLAD and SABBAT, but wouldn't compare them , ya know!

Good point.

>
>And yeah, what kinda blues???
>I don't like blues either...
>
Actually, some blues I like. Danzig, Samson, the once in a while when bands do
it so as to give sort of a gear shift minus clutch sort of effect when they
don't usually do blues, etc. But for the most part I don't listen to it.
Except for the above bands.

philip
Philip Wang                            E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"Memories persist, succubus I've kissed, my thoughts remiss, I'll lose my brain
 if you don't wake me" - Defenestration, "Battle Of The Hemispheres"
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From: leifmk@Lise.Unit.NO (Leif Magnar Kj|nn|y)
Subject: Re: Skyclad... info needed!
Organization: The Bavarian Illuminati
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 16:42:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.201527.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
  
  [Stuff Deleted]
 > 
 > I strongly suspect Walkyier of being a modern pagan; many of the songs
 > have pagan overtones, and the band picture looks like something out of
 > a fantasy movie. Superb stuff; I hope you like them.
 > 
 > --Semhaza

Yeah, SKYCLAD is definitely a top-notch outfit.  Damn, why can't I afford their
albums?  Anyway, now that I'm in a town with a more-or-less independent import 
shop, I can even get hold of them.

BTW, it's not a matter of suspecting Walkyier of being a modern pagan; that would
be almost like suspecting the Pope of being a Catholic.  (And no, I don't refer
to Mr. Flame-almost-everyone-for-God-knows-what-reason "Pope" who keeps posting
around here....I refer to the guy in Rome....)  Seriously, you don't "suspect"
someone of being of a particular faith or political orientation when that some-
one quite loudly and clearly STATES that s/he is that very thing.

-Leif
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From: meniconi@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (carlo nicola meniconi)
Subject: Re: PerGunt song's words
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:21:49 GMT

m38853v@saha.hut.fi (Matti Varis) writes:

>In article <1992Dec11.135034.298@ghost.dsi.unimi.it> meniconi@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (carlo nicola meniconi) writes:
>>I need the words of PerGunt song "All I want is rock'n'roll". If anyone
>>knows this group from Finland and has the words, please send me.

>Sorry I cannot help you with the lyrics (by the way it's spelled Peer Gunt,
>with two dots on top of the u), but their lyrics are mostly quite silly
>anyway (like any Finnish band that sings in english). They play quite
>good Motorhead-like hard rock tho'. It's really surprising someone in 
>Italy knows about them (are their albums available over there?).

>                                -Maza

>.
>Yeah, I know the times are bad
>When it's hard to run, nowhere to hide
>All I got left is a bread and a bottle of wine
>And I'm feeling fine...(Masters Of Reality/Gettin' High)

The reason I want the words of that song is that a band of a friend of mine 
want to play and sing that song. They have known Peer Gunt during a trip in 
Finland and they bought a LP there. I don't know if there is any album available here in Italy. SO, if someone could tell me that lyric it will be a good
thing.   BYE        NICK 

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From: s0383619@let.rug.nl (J.J.G.M. Nijhuis)
Subject: Re: Fates Warning!
Organization: Faculteit der Letteren, Rijksuniversiteit Groningen, NL
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:29:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.201210.2713@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@eel.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
>Fates Warning Discography:

Etc, etc, etc....


>Hope this helps.
>Pax
>					--Judex--

Very well done Judex. Clear descriptions of the differences between the 
albums. Furthermore I totally agree with your opinions.
Bye,
    Jurgen Nijhuis

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From: mlm@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael McCool)
Subject: Re: Manowar is NOT HEAVY METAL!!!!
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: CSO Resource Center
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:53:42 GMT

Andrew Miller (Andrew_Miller@camelot.apana.org.au) wrote:
: 
: Love it!! I take it you like them a bit... myself I have Horrorscope and
: think it is bloody awesome, what other one's are any good, or as good.. and
: when is the new one coming out!?!?!
: 

They're all good.  I don't have a single Overkill album I don't like or have
to skip songs on.  Very agressive and powerful music.  
	--MLM
From: campoe@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Campo Erik)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Much Music vs MTV
Date: 19 Dec 92 16:26:42 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

For all you guys in the U.S.A. I recommend seriously the Pepsi Power 30 as John
P. LaRocque said. BTW, it's from Monday to Thursday. I think it's a really good
show and they PLAY your requests; in fact they're constantly asking for them. 
And sometimes, if you ask for it, they make some "Classic Heavy Metal" shows.
They've done this twice and I hope they'll do it again.

Erik The Viking


-- 
Erik Campo campoe@JSP.UMontreal.Ca -- "Between the velvet lies
                                       There's a truth that's made of steel
                                       The vision never dies
                                       Life's a never ending wheel" R.J.Dio 1983
From: raj@zx.qsp.UUCP (Raj Dosaj)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: MORE ON THIS SELLING OUT THING
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:40:40 GMT
Organization: Quality Software Products, LA, CA

In article <1992Dec16.171041.4653@memstvx1.memst.edu> mech14017020@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>other bands. It's there to add to the music. If they were to just stand
>around playing, not communicating with the audience, with no lights or
>pyro, people would say it was a truly shitty show and that they are
>arrogant bastards. Lighten up, all of Metallica's albums have been
>worry, the next Metallica album will be different.
>		
>		Troy 

Well, if you've been to a Slayer show then you know you don't have
to be on stage doing some preplanned little "routine".  Crowd inter
action is great but it's a lot better when its natural and not some
production.  I hope you're right about them going back to their old
ways, we don't need to lose another band to the MTV generation.
I still think their little "drum battle" was a waste of time and
about as entertaining as a Poison video.

-Raj
From: venom@csa.bu.edu (Leonid Makarovsky)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Goty new videos
Date: 10 Dec 92 19:35:10 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA


  Got video from CELTIC FROST "Live at Hammersmith" 1989.

This iis the worst thing I have ever seen by this band.
Shit.Poseur wimps.Line  up was the same as on COLD LAKE.Lead
guitarist OLIVER AMBERG is stupid dickhead.Tom Warrior's voice
sucked.I just can't believe that this was the same Tom Warrior that
sang MESSIAH when he was in HELLHAMMER



Also got VENOM The 7th date of hell.HAMMERSMITH 1984.

FUCKING A! What more need to say.Amazing show.Get it if you have a chance!


Leonid,
             
              Boston,

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From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Hatric/Blues shit
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 15:55:21 GMT

In article <105350@bu.edu> venom@csa.bu.edu (Leonid Makarovsky) writes:
>In article <1992Dec20.032003.3090@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>>lot more blues, at least on the singles and excerpts I have (most from 
>>AFTER THE STORM and DON'T GET MAD GET EVEN). If you have "Riding With The
> ^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^
>It's BEFORE THE STORM BTW. I have both of these albums and I hate them.
>New singer is really dork.Stupid music IMO.
>
Nicky Moore isn't that bad. The music wasn't as good as when Dickinson was in
the band, though. After a while the music all sounds the same. You know the
bass line in "I'll Be Round"? That's "Gravy Train." I can't really remember the
way most of the other songs go, but I also hear a lot of ZZ Top in their
stuff. Also I think Paul Samson rewrote the verse part of "Tomorrow Or
Yesterday" because the Moore version I have, when I first heard it, I thought
they did a Led Zeppelin cover. Didn't they copy Gillan / Deep Purple in a
lot of places on SURVIVORS and after SHOCK TACTICS? I wonder how REFUGEE (their
latest) is. I saw the package and ex-Aurora / A-II-Z singer Dave Owen is at
least on one track.

philip
Philip Wang                            E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"Memories persist, succubus I've kissed, my thoughts remiss, I'll lose my brain
 if you don't wake me" - Defenestration, "Battle Of The Hemispheres"
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From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Motorhead
Organization: none
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:46:56 GMT

In article <92346.155142U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Dec7.074247.13900@news2.cis.umn.edu>,
>donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) says:
>>
>>
>>Sorry, but I think Fast Eddie is overrated.
>
>It depends. I think he fit in fine,but I couldn't really get into the (ad-
>mitted) small amount of Fastway I've heard....
>
>>Brian Robertson did some fantastic
>>playing on "Another Perfect Day" and I really like the album. Stuff like
>>"Tales Of Glory" and "Back At The Funny Farm" are classic Motorhead.
>>"APD" is still the only album by Motorhead that is really any different from
>>the rest, and it hinted at some new directions for the band. Unfortunately
>>the fans hated it <most of them> and the albun is now unjustly neglected.
>
>Hmmmm. Wasn't the main complaint that a lot of the LP's strength was due to
>the Vic Maile's (?) knob-twiddling,and not Robertson's guitar playing?

A lot of the albums Strength? I am not sure what you are trying to say here.
I heard and continue to hear a lot of complaints about how "It just isn't
Motorhead without Fast Eddie" which I think is bullshit, pure and simple.
Hell he wasn't even an original member!
And Robertson can wipe the floor with him hands down, IMHO.


>
>>the one track on "No Remorse" is one of the worst songs on the album.
>
>You're referring to "Shine",right? Actually there are two songs from APD on
>NO REMORSE-and "Dancing on Your Grave" is a much better track....I'll agree
>on at least that much.
>
They are both weaker songs. I feel there are much better songs on the
album.  Ever hear "Back At The Funny Farm"?

>      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
>      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
>      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
>      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So much for frivolous lawsuits.**

Pax
					--Judex--
From: jeffs@dvorak.amd.com (Jeff Sobotka)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Annihilator question...
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:18:48 GMT
Organization: Inc.

>|>   I have never heard Annihilator, and was wondering if someone could give me
>|>   a frame of reference.  are they any good, what is their best, etc. what do
>|>   they sound like, who could you compare them to, etc.  Thanks all...
>|> 
>|> 							the man
>
>I got a copy of Alice In Hell 3 years ago, and have played it to death since then.
>The guitarist played some brilliant riffs and solos were surprisingly good too.
>Then I heard Never Neverland, and it was total crap from start to finish. They even
>tried to explain the songs on the inlay card, pathetic or wot ?
>

If you didn't notice, they did that on AiH too. I think Jeff Waters, who
wrote everything and recorded *all* of the bass, rhythm, and leads, is
quite an amazing guitar player. His style is very tight and precise. 
Annihilator is basically medium heavy metal, with a dark and mysterious
overtone to it. The 'sing'er kinda growls, but not like death metal. AiH
is very good, but I have to agree that Never, Neverland SUCKS!

Cheers,

-Jeff-
From: websterjusti@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: MORE ON THIS SELLING OUT THING
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:39:44 CST
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Dec17.030300.14822@selway.umt.edu>, sh666@selway.umt.edu (Dave) writes:
> Put yourself in this position...
> 
> Your in a band whose been playing for many years now and you have
> a very dedicated following.  You're able to live comfortably from
> the money that you make from record sales/promotional spots, etc, etc.
> 
> Then one day you learn that you could possible make 10-20x as much
> cash if you just alter your songs/playing style so that it might
> appeal to a wider audience.
> 
> It would be extremely tempting, don't you think?
> 							Dave
> 
Sorry pal, but I don't agree.  Yes its tempting, but ask yourself, am I an 
artist or a record label groupie.  Artist don't sell out for cash, that not 
we we play, we do it because we are creating something from nothing.

However, I don't think a lot of the bands that get shit on this group 
deserve it.  Selling out is when you follow one radio bombshell with 
another for that explicit purpose.  Although I don't neccessarily like 
Metallica'a latest effort, it was not a sell out.  It was the natural 
progression of the band.  To prove this look at, dare I say it...Def 
Leppard.  Hysteria was not a sell out album. On the other hand, Adrenalize, 
well you get the picture.

Selling out sucks.  But look at what the band is leaning towards and you 
might see a different picture.  Also keep in mind, bands have little or no 
control over how much a radio station plays their material.  Especially 
bands that get played on AOR stations.

Well, I probably going to get flamed from hell, but since I'm leaving today 
on Christmas break, e-mail the flames, I want to read them.

Til next time

J Paul
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From: donnell@eel.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Marty Friedman's "Scenes"
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:45:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.202419.25235@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> veburst@contra.enet.dec.com (KSV) writes:
>
>
>Marty Friedman (of Megadeth fame) has just released a solo effort.... it is
>partially produced (and pretty heavily influenced in style) by Kitaro... I
>picked up the tape after hearing a friend's copy.  Neither of us expected a
>'composer' album... quite the difference from Megadeth's style... He enlisted
>Nick Menza on drums and Brian BecVar (Kitaro's keyboardist) on keys....  The
>whole album is *very* musically sound and beautiful to listen to... nice and
>relaxing....
>
>-- KSV

Quite the versatile little monkey, isn't he. Amazing change from the 
speed overkill of "Dragon's Mistress" too.  What will he do next?
I suspect that he may be leaving Megadeth soon, not that I'm hoping for
that, but I anxiously wait for his next move. My favorite current guitarist,
by FAR!

					--Judex--

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