HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: woman
Reply-To: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:16:30 GMT

the uncertainty law in physics should have been found by woman.  if you see a
girl in happiness or sadness, that is not her stable state.   be careful her
sudden transition of states and be skillful of her gradual evolution of states.
W.Huang
From: hefa@ERE.UMontreal.CA (He Fangliang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: To Be A Beautiful Chinese
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:30:47 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Happy Chinese New Year!
I am a frequent reader of this newsgroup and others and very happy
to see that many nice persons contribute their time and effort to
make this newsgroup better. But there is something I feel quite
annoyed. Why there are so much disagreement and even quarrel? Is it
becasue politics is real dirty? or because Chinese are real 'ugly'?
For what are you fighting? My brothers (and sisters?). For power?
For US dollar? Or for justness? Personally, I believe politics is
dirty. But it does not mean politician is necessarily dirty. 
Please just to be a BEAUTIFUL Chinese, not a ugly one.  
Thanks a lot.

Fangliang He
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:15:47 EST
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: More on English Grammar Checker
Distribution: na

Well known Mr. Wang.
From: ding@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com (Ignatius Ding)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:42:44 GMT
Subject: Winston Lord Nominated to Top Position in the State Dept.
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china

Dear Netters,


     Chinese newspaper World Journal reported on January 20, 1993 that
President Clinton has nominated Winston Lord as the Under-Secretary of State
for East Asian-Pacific Affairs.  Lord, a former ambassador to China in the
Reagan/Bush administrations, has been one of the most outspoken critics of
George Bush's China policy.  His nomination is perceived by political analysts
and media as an early indication that the Clinton administration might take
tougher stance than the previous administrations towards Asian communist
countries and other nations ruled by dictatorship, including China, Vietnam,
Cambodia, and Burma.

     Career diplomat Lord was a participant and a key player in Henry
Kissenger's breakthrough negotiation with China in 1972.  He withdrew his
support of the Republican administration policy towards China after the
Tian'anmen Massacre in June 1989.  His wife, accomplished writer Bette Bao
Lord, was originally from China.  She was one of the speakers at the protest
rally against Li Peng's presence at the U.N. Security Council Summit in front
of the United Nations on January 31, 1992.

     Speaking of "changes" ......


Ignatius Y. Ding
SVDC Communications
From: lchen2@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: HUST alumni
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:16:57 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services


	I am receiving mails all the day from husters looking for their 
friends. May I ask why don't the HUST alumni committee just send every 
registered member a list of names? 

	I was embarrassed when I don't know the people sent me mails and the
people they are looking for. And I am annoyed that apparently some people 
got the list while others are not. 

	I support HUST alumni activities, but please stop doing this!

	Thank you.

                                        Yours truely,
					
					Liang Chen
					U. of Toledo


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhang@hekla.pnge.psu.edu (Zhang Jie)
Subject: test
Organization: Penn State University, College of Earth & Mineral Sciences
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:29:03 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: CHINESE ROCKET SHROUD BREAKUP CAUSED LONG MARCH FAILURE
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:46:16 GMT

In article <2563@blue.cis.pitt.edu> yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.110215.4287@arizona.edu> raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man) writes:
>From what I read from QiaoBao, it said some thing like: "A small
>explosion mysteriously occured on the satelite which is sitted on top
>(head area) of the rocket.  Usually a rocket may fail completely but Long 
>March is strong enough to finish its normal course...".
Could it be implemented in the Sattelite? by who?
Competitors have good reason to derail Chinese space program, because of 100%
success rate and 2/3 of other competitors' price.
After I watched a TV program on Sister Seven(Seven world biggest oil
companies) was suspected to kill teh Italian Oil minister who advocated and
persued national ownership and management of Italian's gas expportation, in
defiance of Sister Seven's dismay.
Same  business should be considered for Chinese super computer, which is only
1/10 of market price. Who would be wait to be driven out of market?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: CHINESE ROCKET SHROUD BREAKUP CAUSED LONG MARCH FAILURE
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:02:44 GMT

In article <2563@blue.cis.pitt.edu> yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.110215.4287@arizona.edu> raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man) writes:
>>  The shroud was closed with the satellite inside, but then reopened so
>>Hughes technicians could replace an avionics system in the spacecraft.
>>Such operations are not unusual in launch preparations.
>>  Weatern engineers believe the shroud then was released improperly or
>>that a "small modification" was made to it by the Chinese. They said this
>>was not reviewed with Hughes and could have been a factor in the accident.
>
>From what I read from QiaoBao, it said some thing like: "A small
>explosion mysteriously occured on the satelite which is sitted on top
>(head area) of the rocket.  Usually a rocket may fail completely but Long 
>March is strong enough to finish its normal course...".
>
>Again, I can't remember exactly, and I am not technically able to say
>anything.  I do hope China is not the one to blame.

Some materials before this one: 1 failure in 16 flights was a record built 
by Long March vehicle, four of them was from Xichang. Success rate was 
comparable with the two companies in America and Europe. The cost was 
1/4-2/5 of the latters. 

Since the sattellites are built by America, a compromise was made to 
prevent China from getting half of the market: no more than 9 international 
launches will be made through 1994, while China has a ability to make 10 
flights a year. By doing so, everyone gets a part of the pie. 

Some precautions might have been adopted, in case the launch would fail. 
Some compensation would be made.

Considering all of these facts, the failure and the arguments involved are 
quite understandable. :0 It is very important to give everyone a credit 
in the end, I guess. Then both sides are to be blamed or not to be blamed.
"For some unclear reasons, the communication satellite refuses to cooperate
with us." :-) Right now, the Europeans and Americans chose the second 
approach, then China is really in a unfavorable position since great 
technical restrictions are on the chineses, but the other part has the 
access to the launch process in some way. What left for China to do is just
to turn down the blame, otherwise China will lose many potential customers.
Right now, the statements, which are not very persuasive, by the 
investigation group is very likely much stronger than the evidences that 
they got: if a balckbox is missing, it's not easy to find the major cause 
for an airplane crash, by some naked observation and through the debris.

Let's not worry too early.

I can only hope the next launch will be OK. If it failed again, then we 
might have to suspect the poor qualities of the satellites. The reason:
the 1 out 16 failure rate record should be a very persuasive number, right?





Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:35248 soc.culture.taiwan:17573
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Show Down
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:29:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor

In article <C1HBzF.D0A@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>Mainland  part is more consolitary with this kind of face game. When ever 
>address anything with regard to Taiwan. Mainland radio uses Mainland only to
>address it self.  While Taiwan Radio tediously repeats "ROC"(Zhong Hua Min Guo).

No. Not tedious at all to me. I like it this way. If it's tedious to you,
I couldn't be happier. :)

-- Chien-Chung Chen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: Living costs in China
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:13:20 GMT

In article <C19Kxn.AD7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> hay36859@dcl-nxt09.cso.uiuc.edu (Haidong Anthony Ye) writes:
>
>Don't know about other people, but I just went back to Beijing couple
>weeks ago, and most profs and teachers in the university I know of can 
>make RMB 600-800, and engineers makes even more, perhaps RMB 1,000/month
>Of course, most of the money comes from "the second profession", the
>standard salary is still around RMB 200/month

	This is always a problem for "outsiders" to access the realistic
info on things like living conditions in a different society.  Remember
that for about two years, TV pictures here repeatedly show empty shelves
in almost every store in (now former) Soviet Union.  You probably would
wonder how the people there survived.  The thing is, many people there
get their stuffs from other sources (like distributed by their working
"units").

	The same goes to Beijing nowadays.  If you look at the salary
figures and then comapre with the market prices, you can't imagine
how people there manage their lives.  But the reality that people 
mostly survived and even live reasonably well should have told you
that there are more things going on.

	I have come to know some professors whose take-home money is
almost ten times of their salary.
 
>
>This piece of info is some how outdated in Beijing.  I know many 
>university profs and engineers have savings from RMB 50,000-100,000
>some have cars already, and others plan to buy one in the near future,
>especially those living in uptown.  Buying houses are not as popular
>in Beijing, but it is becoming more and more popular, even though most
>people buy their own apartment which was rent previously, so the house
>is somewhat obselete anyway.

	There is an intrinsic problem with selling houses to renters.
Traditionally all houses are built and managed by a certain "unit",
which resembles a small society.  For example, most of apartments for
professors in Beida are in or near the campus.  They can not simply
auction them but have to sell them to the professors, otherwise the
campus will be destroyed by other intruders.  Professors are amart
enough to understand this, so they are not eager to pay to own the
apartments they can now rent cheaply anyway.


	 Eddie
From: stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu (Ye)
Subject: Re: Living costs in China
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:52:15 GMT

In article <lltvkrINN513@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
|> In article <SOSC1058.93Jan20152032@wc08.yorku.ca> sosc1058@wc08.yorku.ca (Ming He) writes:
|> >
|> >I had heard some inaccurate data (sorry for the inaccutate) of Beijing
|> >area.  The average income is 300 yuans.  A shirt is 20.  A pair of
|> 
|> I have to laugh loud for this piece of information. A junior medical
|> doctor makes less than RMB 200 a month, a middle position of MD makes
|> RMB 200 and a popular MD/professor makes RMB 300.

That is, if they work in a public hospital. On the other hand, people have
their own clinics are doing very well. The poorest in China are
probably professors. People go to see a doctor when they are sick, but they
don't go to see a professor when they are stupid.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: 100th birthday of Madam Sun
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:45:46 GMT

In article <1k7kgfINNcl5@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>Not only Chow, also Mao. According to rumor, when she wanted to get the
>second marriage, she got Mao's blessing.

Did she get her 2nd marriage? I was told that she had wanted to get the
2nd marriage but China government didn't allow because "it would hurt
Dr. Sun's image." So she didn't really get her 2nd marriage but only
lived together with her lover. Well, not sure if this is true.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Hui Huang)
Subject: Re: exchange rate?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:06:51 GMT

What is going on here? Somebody asked the exchange rate of US$/CAN$/RMB and
somebody answered it. That is all. Nothing deals with NT. I am wondering who
is 'overheated'. :)
-- 
Hui Huang		Hui_Huang@UManitoba.ca
			Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
From: sui@ee.utah.edu (Wenquan Sui)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test, please ignore!
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:29:56 GMT
Organization: Indiana University


Hello, everybody. This is only a test.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:31:07 EST
From: <CAOX@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test

I read this from screen: "please read HELP NETNEWS ETIQUETTE before posting".

Anyway, this is just a test.
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CHINESE ROCKET SHROUD BREAKUP CAUSED LONG MARCH FAILURE
Date: 28 Jan 93 06:11:59 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1993Jan27.162141.4302@arizona.edu> raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man) writes:
>part of the AW&ST article I posted BUT NOT IN TOTO, with the
>result that the proper attribution immediately following the title
>is missing and anyone reading his post alone will believe I was the
>author and never know the actual one. He might not MEAN to say I
>wrote it, but the effect is such.

Is it that serious?  Please excuse me quote only part of your article
since my news site DO NOT allow me to post less than quotes.  But I
doubt if anyone mistaken you as the author.  My apology in case.

>Two things Yijun Ding needs to differentiate are the meanings of "quote"
>and of "paraphrase". "Quote" is the mark, just like the ones around the

Thanks for correcting my English.  Is this the only difference?  I am
sure most Chinese know what I mean by "quoting from memory".  Oh well,
not everyone knows: 

>"When you know a thing, to hold that you know it; and when you do not
>know a thing, to allow that you do not know it;-- this is knowledge."

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: asaa@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Jianjun Shen)
Subject: E-mail address of Qiang Shen at Auburn Univer.
Keywords: Qiang Shen
Organization: Clarkson University
Distribution: u.s.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:23:58 GMT

Hi, Guys or Girls,

Any replys on the e-mail address of Mr. Shen, Qiang at Auburn University will 
be appreciated. His e-mail address obtained from the CND-US-Regional News does not 
work. Or if Mr. Shen yourself read this message, please give me an e-mail.
Thanks a lot.


Jianjun Shen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yongbai@physics.su.OZ.AU (Yongbai Yin)
Subject: Re: Fun staff about religon. Re: Existence of God
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:05:50 GMT

In article <C1GzAr.5sC@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>
>1. Religion is created by the genius, spreaded by the wise, believed by the fool;
>2. The biggest, longest-lasted lie of human kind is religion;
>
>3. One religion teaching prohibit eating pork, because pig is "filthy". 
...............>
>6. One religion prohibits eating beef.
>
>as pl
	Hi, my friend, all religions prohibit eating human.  Do you feel
  uncomfortable for this prohibation?

	In the broadest sense, no religion is a sort of religion.  The rest of
the question thus should be "which one could be more helpful for residence of
human being on the earth", as none of them is perfect.  No religion, it seems
to me, is one of the worst religions.  Do you believe this?  

	NO RELIGION === "Po4 Si4 Jiu4, Li2 Si4 Xing" == Disaster.

Yongbai
From: v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Unification of Taiwan and Mainland
Date: 24 Jan 93 04:36:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <C1C7IC.5Bq@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>, e2liuzhe@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (Zhen Liu) writes...
> 
>It maybe neccesary to mention a little bit history here. many netter here
>from mainland grown up with what chairman Mao used to said" we must liberate
>Taiwan", but Deng Xiao Ping never mention a word since he took power in
>china ten years ago, Mr. Deng stoped bombing Golden Gate islands since
>then. It is true CCP never promise the international world to give up to
>use force at Taiwan. why?  does anybody promise to their neighbour he never
>naked at his own backyard?? CCP would fight if she feel threated, like Mao
>kept bombing Golden Gate when U.S. backup KMT or Deng used army in Tiananman
>square. But CCP will not use force if Taiwan be not independent. Taiwan is
>nothing to CCP, but CCP must prove to billion chinese she is the suitable
>leader in China.
>one more thing, billion chinese is not the slave of CCP. they do not have 
>any other choice. at least CCP keeps China in order and gives them a peaceful
>life. is any chinese democratic organisation abroard capable to this job???
>I feel sick and shame when those democratic fighters fight for power!!!!!!
>what we care is the future of china, not of CCP or KMT. but so far the CCP
>is the only hope. we don't have any choice.




Well. I couldn't say you are 100% wrong. Actually, there have been, are and
will be a lot of people like you in the past , now and in the future. 
The following are some examples:
1)Some people believed that the Ching Emperor was the only power that could
possibly lead China into the future. So, Dr. Sun was considered a bandit by
them.
2)During Japanese occupation of East China in WWII, some people thought only
the Colaborators(Han4 Jian1) could kept them living peaseful lives.
........................................

They were ,in a way, correct. But some other people  didn't believe it and
they proved other choices were also possible. What do you think.   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: harsh@inetnode.austin.ibm.com (Harsh Sharma)
Subject: Re: L.S.U. Professor says Indians Suck !!
Summary: American vs Indian Tax payer
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 03:12:30 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <C1Buz6.FGs@athena.cs.uga.edu> venugop@athena.cs.uga.edu (YOSSARIN ARAM) writes:
>       offered a higher amount to Americans if they accepted the TA's
>       position.
>
>       The Americans do resent this for after all they are the tax payers
>       and evn the time on the net is funded by them.
>			    Long live rock and roll.......


       I resent that (your remark) - that only Americans tax payer are paying
       for the net. I wonder how they distinguish between American Tax money
       and Indian (working here) Tax money? I thought in U.S of A, the color 
       of money was only GREEN !!


Harsh-

"If I have seen further, it is because I stand on the shoulders of giants."
                                     - Newton
                 /* The  views  are  mine  and  mine only  BUT maybe,
                    just maybe some one else might have the same view  */
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:35305 soc.culture.taiwan:17609 soc.culture.hongkong:17553
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: 100th birthday of Madam Sun
Date: 28 Jan 1993 01:39:57 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <1993Jan27.200226.4803@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>  (Gang Wang) writes:
>Yuanhui Liu (liuyh@vis.toronto.edu) wrote:
>: >>
>: >>: Today is the 100th birthday of Madam Sun (Sun, Soong Ching Ling).
>: >>: Great Era.
>: >>Great lady.
>: >Why?
>: because she's probably among the very few in both KMT and CCP continue
>: to follow Dr. Sun's guidelines after his death, both KMT and CCP brasses
>: should ashamed of their infighting and power grabbing since then.  
>She's probably the only person who really understands Dr. Sun's 
>theory and hold her life to defend/apply it, without personal interest.
>

I bet she didn't, until the time that the RED GUARDS started to bother
her house, her belongs, she regreted a lot and began to know something
of the CCP real face. She should regret that she devoted herself to
that party for most of her life, but the party had no room for her.

If not Chow, her house was a target to be destroyed/destructed.
Chow was almost a "wet mud made buddha".
From: cadizht@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Horacio Cadiz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Advice requested on what to see/do in Philippines
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:13:43 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

In article <1462@bridge2.NSD.3Com.COM> dannya@ESD.3Com.COM (Danny Alvendia) writes:

> Seriously though, I have heard that Palawan is safe but Mindanao may
                                                          ^^^^^^^^
> just be a little bit scary. 
>
> /Danny


   I would think it really depends where in Mindanao you want to go.  
The areas I have lived in and visited in Mindanao are Bukidnon, Iligan, Cagayan
de Oro, and Davao.  I never felt insecure or unsafe in any of them.  If one
listens to people in Luzon, one would think that the citizens of Mindanao
walk around town bristling with guns ready to shoot anyone who crosses them.
Could this persistent image of Mindanao still be the result of the secessionist
war in the 70s?  
   Miss Mindanao and you'll miss the beauty of the Philippines.

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