From: slhw4@cc.usu.edu (Jason Hunsaker)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Mormonism
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:29:18 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <e8Aj02yw2ess01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>,
 agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose) writes:
> farkas@qual.Eng.Sun.COM writes:

>>Anthony G Rose wrote:
>>
>>> If you meant that this is only a game to me, you are dead
>>> wrong! Spiritually dead wrong!  My love for your soul makes me
>>> dialog with you. We are instructed in Scripture to watch for
>>> false prophets, to test all things, to study, and to contend for
>>> the faith.
>>
>> I always find it interesting when an abusive father claims
>> that he really loves his children. Sorry, your message is not
>> love to me.
> 
> I understand that the things I say are not pleasing to your
> ears.  But trust me, I would not spend the hours that I do every
> day answering these posts and working with the local Mormons.  My
> conviction is that we are in the last days, and that many Mormons
> are lost because of the doctrines of the church.  That is my
> reason for what I do.  That is out of love. You know, Jesus
> didn't sound too much like love either when he said:
> 
> "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being
> condemned to hell?"  (Matthew 23:33)
> 
> However, He WAS incarnate Love.

Okay, Jesus was speaking to the scribes and Pharisees.  Let us
see from the context what Tony is inferring about Mormons:

Mormons:
"Shut up the Kingdom of Heaven against men: for they neither go in
themselves, neither suffer they them that are entering to go in."
(Matthew 23:13)

"Devour widows houses" (Ibid, verse 14)

"For a pretense make long prayer" (Ibid, verse 14)

"Compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made,
make him twofold more the child of hell than themselves." 
(Ibid, verse 15) 

"Pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the
weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith"
(Ibid, verse 23)

"Strain out a gnat and swallow a camel" (Ibid, vers 24)

"Clean the out side of the cup and of the platter, but within are
full of extortion and excess" (Ibid, verse 25)

"Are like unto whitewashed sepulchres, which indeed appear
beatiful outward, baut are within full of dead men's bones and of
all uncleanness," (Ibid, verse 27)

"Outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within are full of
hypocrisy and iniquity" (Ibid, verse 28)

"Build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of
the righteous" (Ibid, verse 29)

"Kill, crucify, scourge, and persecute the prophets, wise men,
and scribes" (Ibid, verse 34)


Those are some preety strong claims, Tony.  What evedence
(besides your own interpretation of things) do you have that this
is, in fact, what Mormons promote?

As for love, the New Testament says:

Love suffereth long,
and is kind, 
envieth not,
vaunteth not itself,
is not puffed up,
doth not behave indecently or unbecomingly,
seeketh not her own,
is not easily provoked,
thinketh no evil,
rejoiceth not in iniquity,
rejoiceth in truth,
beareth all things,
beleiveth all things,
hopeth all things,
endureth all things.
(See 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 (1-8), Compare Moroni 7:40-48)

I think what Frank is saying is that he finds you lacking in the
love (charity) department.

You might have a little more success if you try the following:

"Behold, there are many called, but few are chosen.  And why are
the not chosen?  Because their hearts are set so much upon the
things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men.

"When we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride,
our vain ambitions, or to exercise contol or dominion or
compulsion over others, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold,
the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is
grieved; and when is is withdrawn, Amen to the authority of that
person.

"Behold, they are left unto themselves, to kick against the
pricks, to persecute the righteous, and to fight against God.

"We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and
disposition of almost all, as soon as they get a little
authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to
excercise unrighteous dominion.

"Hence many are called, but few are chosen.

"No power or influence can or ought to be maintainedd by virtue of
one's authority, status, or position, 
only by persuasion,
by long-suffering,
by gentleness and meekness,
by love unfeigned,
by kindness,
and by pure knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge the soul
without hypocrisy, abd without guile --

"Reproving at times with sharpness, when moved upon by the Holy
Ghost;

"And then showing forth afterwards an increase of love toward the
one whom thou hast reproved, lest they esteem thee to be their
enemy; that they may know that thy faithfulness is stonger than the
cords of death."
(D&C 121:34-44 paraphrased by JBH)

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