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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: LSH #33
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 04:17:39 GMT
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goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb):
>Except that if this is the original Lightning Lad's personality,
>how is it that he has Proty/Garth's memories from between the 
>"resurrection" and the Universo story? 

It depends on how you believe that memory and personality interact.
If personality is the filter through which memories are viewed,
organized, and rationalized, then it's reasonable for Garth to
remember the *events* of those years, but to remember them as
happening to *him*.  This could result in a very different subjective
picture of those years.  (When we remember an incident with embarrassment,
to what extent are we remembering the embarrassment, and to what
extent are we being embarrassed all over again?)

Further corroboration:  I was talking to Tom Bierbaum, and complaining 
about this very inconsistency.  He admitted that there was a problem, 
but insisted that Live Wire was purely Garth.  So I suggested the above 
explanation and he said (approximately) "Uh, yeah, that would explain it, 
right."  So there, you see, that proves it!

(A similar question is raised in Frank Herbert's "Heretics of Dune",
when someone asks why a ghola's personality isn't washed away when
the old memories are restored.  The answer that is given here too is
that the old memories are seen and interpreted through the lens of
the newer personality.  "Children of Dune" showed a case of the lens
being too weak.)

-----
Dani Zweig
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From: eja@north8.acpub.duke.edu (Eric Akawie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Heckler
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:51:48 GMT

In article <7djm_!g.dani@netcom.com>, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
|> Keith Giffen seems to have taken his artistic propensities to their
|> logical conclusion:  Instead of drawing facial features which are hidden
|> by shade or angle of view, he has created characters lacking half their
|> facial features.  Efficient, I suppose.  The extreme example of this is
|> El Gusano, who looks just like some of Giffen's thirtieth-century aliens.
|> How *does* he keep his glasses on without ears or a nose?
|> The slapstick seems to owe a great deal to Hanna-Barbara.
|> Dani Zweig

I saw a strong Joe Simon influence, in both the characters and the art.
Substitute Boss Smiley for the Mob boss in this comic, and you've got a 
lost issue of Prez.
By the way, anyone think a dark, Grim-n-Gritty(tm) Avenger of the
White House version of Prez sound like a good idea? Didn't think so.

Eric Akawie; Freelance Messiah
eja@acpub.duke.edu
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Yellow Weakness
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:22:11 GMT

Well, the recent GLQ seems to sum up the attitude of the DC staff in re the 
source of the weakness.  A GL referring to whether the Oans put the impurity in
on purpose says, "I neither know nor care -- it's simply a reality I live 
with...and in certain ways I'm grateful for it, since it prevents me from 
becoming complacent, forces me to be resourceful -- to exert thought and 
effort."  And the same may be said by the writers.  The weakness allows them to
excercise their creativity (like in the story preceding the one quoted).
     Dave Van Domelen, more to come....
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: New Titans #90
Date: 26 Jul 1992 04:39:34 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

In article <w_km9_j.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs:
>Hardly amazing:  Would *you* think of sewing some strips of cloth under
>your arms as a cure for the normal consequences of jumping off of roofs
>or out of helicopters?  Comic book physics at its finest, though probably
>to an audience more willing to put up with it.


	Come on.  This is comic books.  What the heck holds Starfire 
up?   Spider Woman was gliding on stuff like that years ago.  It'd be
nice if they extended more when in flight mode, tho.
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From: mbvg9741@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (plain)
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Subject: morbius
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:30:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Well, is it any good?  I don't regularly go to comic shops (doing
most of my ordering by mail) and have pretty much signed off of
Marvel books, but I was just wondering if they had found it in
their hearts or pocketbooks (are they the same at the Grand old
company :-) ) to make a decent comic book this time? 
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From: 11telliott@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Zarathustra)
Subject: Re: PEOPLE: Neal Adams Checklist
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:10:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.145724.13649@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, sta2534@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
> 
> Neal Adams also did the artwork on the Twilight Zone Premiere 
> issue, "Crazy as a Soup Sandwich" with Harlan Ellison.
> 
> 
> Steve A.
-- 
I couldn't find the original topic here on the net. Care to repeat the whole
checklist of Neal Adam story art in comics? The ones I'm particularly
interested is the work he did at Mahvel.
Todd Elliott
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: LSH #33
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:18:45 GMT

In article <14vj7eINNd4p@agate.berkeley.edu> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:
>	Except that if this is the original Lightning Lad's personality,
>how is it that he has Proty/Garth's memories from between the "resurr-
>ection" and the Universo story? Up till now I was putting down the
>inconsistencies to "comic book science", but this makes my brain hurt.

They messed up, of course.

If Garth really has Proty's mind, then the clone had better either 1) have
Proty's mind, or 2) have Garth's mind, but memories which cut off at the point
of his "death".  Someone goofed.  And this is exactly one of the things which
was _wrong_ with the whole Garth-is-really-Proty idea in the first place.

This ties into another thread: the Swamp Thing thread about the inconsistency
between saying that memories are physical and copyable, and saying that
memories go with the soul.  The same applies here: no matter _what_ we see for
the Garth/Proty clone, the existence of all the _other_ clones still poses a
problem.  To say that clones of Legionnaires can have copies of the
Legionnaires' memories, minds, and personalities implies that memories are
physical; and saying that Garth is really Proty implies that memories go with
the soul.  (And this is completely independent of the first goof, even though
it might not at first seem that way.)
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From: ron@vicorp.com (Ron Peterson)
Subject: Fantagraphics Address?
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:45:39 GMT

Is Fantagraphics Books still in business?  If so, would someone please
send me their address?
ron@vicorp.com or uunet!vicorp!ron
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From: wkaufman@us.oracle.com (William Kaufman)
Subject: Re: Deadface--where where where?
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:57:23 GMT
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In article <ISBELL.92Jul28234015@pop-tarts.ai.mit.edu> isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
] 
] I'm in love.  I want *all* the Deadface related stories.  Where can I
] find them?  Anyone have a list?  How many are there out there?

    Well, lessee,...There were the two Harrier (British company) series:
"Deadface" and "Bacchus".  I've got through #8 of the former and #2 of
the latter--if there were any later ones, I never saw them.

    The "Deadface" series was about "Joe" Theseus, gangster and Greek
godling; "The Eyeball Kid" takes up shortly after this series.  (The
whole thing was collected recently in an oversized softback by Dark
Horse, under the title "Immortality isn't Forever".)

    "Bacchus" is mostly random stories Bacchus tells Simpson, and their
adventures on the road and at sea; "Doing the Islands" and "Earth,
Water, Air and Fire" (also (re)printed by Dark Horse) are extensions of
this one.

    The styles on these are a little different--one's a gangster novel
(albeit with Greek demigods,...), the other's an On The Road-type
series.  They're also pretty separate, despite several "cross-overs";
so, if you prefer one to the other, you *can* go and get all in that
line without too much confusion.

    Also by Eddie Campbell (if someone will help me on this, I'd be
honored to become the central Campbell nexus, assuming that job isn't
already taken):

"The Cheque, Mate", Fantagraphics, US

"By The Time I Get to Wagga Wagga", Harrier, UK

various issues of Fox Comics, Fox, Australia

"Little Italy", (Fantagraphics?  Dark Horse?  can't seem to find my copy
right now,...), US

the Alec MacGarry series (reprinted as "Alec" in two slim volumes by
    Escape, UK; and what appears to be a much larger one, "The Complete
    Alec", by Eclipse/Acme, US)

    (There's also "From Hell", printed irregularly in _Taboo_ monthly
comic and reprinted almost never as it's own comic.  But this is just
drawn by Campbell; writing's by Alan Moore.)

    Quite frankly, if you liked "Eyeball Kid" or the "Deadface"
miniseries(es), I'd recommend all of them ('cept maybe "From Hell").
They're all consistently charming and hilarious.  If you've got the
bucks, I'd say, Get "Immortality" now, to get up to speed on the
characters in the new series; if you still like it, grab some of the
other collections.

                                           -- Bill K.

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From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Annotation 32
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:33:01 GMT

 manley@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (HELD HOSTAGE -- YEAR ONE) writes:
    
>                Issue 32:  "Slaughter on Fifth Avenue"
>                First part of storyline _A Game of You_
>
>Somewhere in the annotation for _A_Game_of_You_ I think there should be a
>reference to _Bones_of_the_Moon_ by Jonathan Carroll.  There is _so_ much
>in common between _Bones_ and _Game_ that Gaiman *had* to have read the book
>before he wrote _Games_.  

Yes. Almost. The plotting was developed independently, but crossed Gaiman's
work in that he had to change _Game of You_ because it corresponded so closely
with Carroll's novel. Changes tend to happen around Barbie - _The Doll's House_
ending was changed from resulting in Rose Walker's death (I thought she was
going to die right up until the penultimate issue, when Gilbert said she would)
and _Bones of the Moon_ was too close to _The Bimbos of Night_.

N.B. That wasn't a serious critical commentary on Barbie, honest guv.

>There are a lot of other things that The Land and Rondua have in common, but
>since I have neither my copy of _Bones_ nor _Game_ here at the office, I
>can't list them.

Good authors |-). And one thing obvious from the texts - a feel for truth in
mythology. Not obvious is the fact that Gaiman, like Carroll (_A Child across
the Sky_) knows an author whose books move into everyday life. Yet Gaiman's
works have more optimism and feel for people caught up in these events than 
Carroll, who seems more a cartographer of arcane landscapes than a treasure-
seeker.

>I am *not* accusing Gaiman of plaigarism or anything wrong.  I would say that
>_A_Game_of_You_ was seriously influenced by the book, and I think he sort of
>paid homage to it in those issues of _Sandman_.  Of course, it is possible
>that Gaiman has never heard of Jonathan Carroll and these two stories were
>incredible coincidences.  Carroll is British, I think.

Gaiman was *negatively* influenced by Rondua. The shared Dreaming, for example,
now requires artificial inroads in _The Bimbos of Night_, while in Rondua, it
is love that enables a man to join her in Rondua.

Maybe Carroll & Gaiman share dreams.

Tanaqui 
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From: dhawk@netcom.com (David Hawkins)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN - SPOILER
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 15:12:29 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: sandman spoiler
Distribution: na

dml@athena.mit.edu (David M LaMacchia) writes:

>In original article I wrote:
>More spoilers below...


















|>Two things: 
|>1. I think the Sandman's love has been Johanna Constantine.  I think
|>the deal he made with her back in 'Thermidor' had to do with keeping
|>her in his world when she died - and we now know when that was.  (The
|>only other deal I can think they made was that he'd father a child for
|>her - a child of the Endless.)


>2) If she was paid back as you say, why would she have fled him (as the
>preview for next issue says his lover has)?  There are many possibilities;
>I'm just raising the question.

Remember that she's somewhat cynical about manipulating men, as she
did in Thermidor.  Maybe Dream was lonly and overlooked certain
aspects of her character?  Or maybe he fathered the child and then she
didn't want to stay around afterwards?

Or maybe she left to take a hand in manipulating her descendant's
(John's) life?

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From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Subject: Re: Alan Scott post-Crisis; was Re: Green Lantern Stuff
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:43:43 GMT

In <1992Jul20.182306.25420@midway.uchicago.edu> lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr) writes:
>In article <1992Jul17.201803.26094@spool.cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>>It's a thorny question.  Personally, I find the pre-Crisis DC Multiverse
>>much more consistent and *interesting* than the post-Crisis universe.
>Amen.  I still think Crisis was a very silly error in judgement, if they wanted
>to trim, all they really had to do was send the "Earths" into comic limbo, and
>quit writing stories about Earths X, Y and Z.  Anyway, the JSA was much more
>fun, IMO, when it annually showed up in JLA, before it got so trite in the mid-
>70's.

The best thing about the old Earth-1, Earth-2, etc., was that the JSA,
All-Star Squadron, and Infinity, Inc. were on a world a lot less crowded
than the post-Crisis DC Universe.  Infinity, Inc. had the distinct
advantage of being the *only* super-group comprised of solely young people
(if you go by Skyman's physical age, at least 8-), and since the JSAers
were, for the most part, semi-retired, Infinity had essentially the run of
the planet.

> The post-crisis Universe gives me a headache, there are far more
>characters with much more convoluted histories than there ever were before, and
>they just keep adding adding more to make up for the dearth of decent writers
>to put on old characters. 

Now that I've said how much I like the old multiverse, let me seemingly
reverse myself: I like the reason *why* the multiverse became a universe,
though the execution of said idea stinks.  I was always of the impression
that the Crisis was meant to a) smooth out continuity and b) allow for
massive changes in characters that would otherwise disrupt said continuity.
The bit with Miss America replacing the Golden Age Wonder Woman in the JSA
was a shrewd move on Roy Thomas' part, and if Thomas hadn't become so
obsessed with his mostly-new Young All-Stars, the continued retcons of the
Golden Age could have become very interesting. . . .

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From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Subject: Tintin
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:27:31 GMT


I posted about this awhile ago or Re.arts.comics, but didn't recieve
any reply, so I'll try again here....

I'm interested{in obtaining a copy of Tintin and the Aleph Art and
Tintin in the land of the Soviets.

While I was in London I {aw a copy of Tintin in the Land of the
Soviets for sale.  Stupidly I assumed that since it was on sale in the
UK, I could find a copy here.  Sucyh has not been the case.  I was
wondering if anyone can tell me how to obtain a copy of the book.  Has
anyone seen a copy of this book for sale in the states?  

Secondly, I remember hearin mention on the rec. about a limited
edition of tintin and the Aleph Art, the last Tintin book during which
the production of Herge died.  Can anyone send me information about
how to find a copy of this book?

Any response will be much appreciated....
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Booster Gold
Date: 21 Jul 1992 16:01:54 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

In article <wtn1.711730912@Isis.MsState.Edu> wtn1@ra.msstate.edu (Todd Newkirk) writes:
>Could anyone tell me what Booster's powers are?
>He seems to be pretty much useless.
>I don't keep up with him, so I don't know.
>Thanks!

	All of his powers come from the powersuit he and Skeets (see below)
kit bashed together.
	Suit: 	IR capacity on goggles
		super strength
		force field (like Brainiac 5's but it seems less powerful)
		ff also provides life support if in outer space.
		"booster shots"
		Mass-dispersal Force: can aborb energy and matter by turning
		 the force field inwards.  Objects absorbed can be released
		 in the same form, or "slagged" together in one blob.  He
		 hasn't used it since joing the JLI.
	Legion Flight Ring: can fly and send a signal to the LSH, of course,
		they're about a 1000 years in the future.  
	Skeets: a self aware museum robot/tour guide.  is about the size
		of a bowling ball, except with fins.  Has extensive historical
		files, a stun beam, and can fly.
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From: mickey@brahms.udel.edu (Ernest McCarter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Doom Patrol
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:25:03 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware


Well, okay, I think I'm finally interested enough to start picking
up back issues of _Doom Patrol_.  (I blame everyone who has ever
posted about it...)  As such, I was wondering which particular
issues might be recommended if I want to see the comic at its
best.

(Also, it was mentioned a while back that there was an FF send-up
in one issue...does anybody have the exact number?)

Thanks

Mick

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Jewish Superheros
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:24:42 GMT
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Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


> Article <1992Jul22.001808.28747@midway.uchicago.edu> From: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)


> I vaguely recall a Judah Maccabee coming out of one of DC's "lets have
> superheroes from other countries" fits, but I may be just conflating
> Seraph with the character from Nexus for no known reason.


You are confused.

Judah Maccabee also known as Judah the Hammer is a supporting character
in Nexus who is also an alien (obviously not Orthodox)

He is a hero and he was raised by jewish rabbis after his father
disappeared and presumed killed.
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From: doom@leland.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner)
Subject: Sandman 41: the many titles
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 08:20:26 GMT


Sandman 41, in place of a conventional title has a panel
that appears to contain subtitles for each section of the
story:

BLOSSOM OF A LADY
RAIN IN THE DOORWAY
WANT/NOT WANT
THE VIEW FROM THE BACKS OF MIRRORS
JOURNAL OF THE PLAGUE YEAR
"THE NUMBER YOU HAVE DIALED..."

I know that two of these titles were borrowed from other
works:  

_Rain in The Doorway_ is a book by Thorne Smith, a really
funny (in more than one sense) fantasy novel from 1933.  It
begins with a man standing in the doorway of a department
store, to escape a torrential down pour.  Rain dripping down
his nose, he feels depressed and dissatisfied... and the
doorway behind him opens, a hand reaches out to grab him and
he's drawn through into another universe.  It seems much
like ours, except that people take things much less
seriously...  as with all Thorne Smith books (he's best
known for _Topper_) there is much drunkenness and nudity and
silly dialog.

_Journal of the Plague Year_ is by Daniel Defoe (of _Robinson
Caruso_ fame).  I don't know much about it myself, but Defoe
lived from 1661?-1731, so he was a young child during the
plague of 1665.

But here's the question:  I presume that the other titles
are also titles of other works.  Can you place them?