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Date: Thursday, 10 December 1992 19:51:44 MST
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From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
Subject: Re: Electricity on Shabbat (was Re: Halacha)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Distribution: world

In <1992Dec4.175836.9851@cas.org>, rmt51@cas.org (Rick Turkel)  wrote:
# 
# In article <04Dec92.140331.16844@granite.ciw.edu>, cohen@quartz.ciw.edu (Ronald
# Cohen) writes:
# |> In article <goldberg.723469669@techunix.technion.ac.il>
# |> goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg) writes:
# |> >Build any circuit that includes a switch. Inspect the inside of the switch
# |> before any operation, inspect  well the shining new contacts.
# |> >Now operate the circuit during some time,switch on and off as often as you
# |> >can, and inspect again. The traces of carbon that you will find prove that
# |> something burned there.
# |> 
# |> However, we don't worry about "traces."  Consider kashrut for
# |> example, and the rule of 1/64.  If we worried about traces we
# |> could not walk outside on the ground on shabbat for fear of
# |> ploughing.  In fact we could hardly move for fear of generating a
# |> spark.
# |> 
# |> Also, I am not sure I believe that you WILL see traces of carbon,
# |> at least with the naked eye.  What is supposed to have burned?  A
# |> dust speck?  But a sealed switch will have no dust in it.  You
# |> must have gotten dirt on the contacts when you inspected it in
# |> the first place!  That's the problem! :-)
# 
# Not quite right.  The black stuff you see isn't carbon, but cupric oxide,
# which is also black.  It is formed by oxidation of the copper contacts, and
# indicates that, in fact, there was some burning after all.

  (%$#*&^$ lousy newsfeed!  I start this and then miss half the
   articles in the thread.  Rats!)

  Should we understand from the above that there would be no objection
  to switches which don't produce oxidation, such as solid-state, or
  sealed in an inert gas?  That's why I specified a solid-state
  brushless motor in the first post; I neglected to specify a
  solid-state switch although that was my intent.

  If the objection would stand regardless of oxidation, why did you
  bring it up?

  BTW, you'll find that the oxidation is not dependent on
  electircity.  Metal-metal wiping disturbs the passivating
  oxide layer and allows more rapid atmospheric oxidation.
  If you compare two switches of similar age and cycle count,
  one operated in a "live" circuit and one unconnected, you
  won't be able to tell them apart unless they were operated
  'way beyond their proper specs (in which case there'll be
  indications of REALLY intense heat, like melted copper!)


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: pasward@maytag.uwaterloo.ca (Paul A.S. Ward)
Subject: Re: JforJ ad in Newsweek
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:24:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.114533.33750@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN) writes:

>Jews for Jesus, aren't they just Goys who speak Hebrew with a forked tongue.
>IF you are for Jesus Christ you can't be Jewish now can you, You'd pretty
>much, by definition have to be _Christ_ian.  

Now, we've been through all this before.  Yes, you CAN be Jewish, even if
you are not following Judaism.  If your mother is Jewish, you are Jewish!
So, like it or not, there are indeed Jewish Christians out there, (though
they are not part of the set of Legitimate Interpretations :-) just as there
are New Age Jews, and Buddist Jews, and Hindu Jews, and Athiest Jews, and so
on and so on and so on ...
From: lmk2@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Tehina recipe?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 21:17:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <JMILIKOW.92Dec10182434@csa.bu.edu> jmilikow@csa.bu.edu (jeremy milikow) writes:
>
> If anyone has a good recipe for tehina I would really appreciate it.
>I'm trying to make homous but I can't find tehina anywhere. Thanks.
>
>                                           -Jeremy


If you mean you can't find any sesame paste, look at a health food store.
Since you're in Boston you should be able to find one.  After you have
that, this is my "recipe", although it's more of a little of this and
a little of that...

Tahini (about 1/2 cup or so)
Garlic (about 1 clove, more or less, remember raw garlic gets
        stronger as it sits, so go easy if you plan to keep 
        the techina a few days)
Lemon (about 1/2 to 1 -- juice thereof)
Water to bring everything to the right consistency (about 1/2 cup)

Mix it in the blender, in order to get it nice and smooth.

Note: Use the raw, unroasted Tahini.  I buy mine at the local
Middle Eastern Market; it's just sesame seeds and it seems to be
pasteurized or something, so even in the refrigerator you don't
end up with a solid glob of stuff under a layer of oil, this 
happens with the natural kind.  If you go for the "natural" 
stuff, try Westbrae "Middle Eastern" Tahini.

Leslie

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann)
Subject: Re: STOP Spreading Jewish Stereotypes!!
Organization: Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:48:31 GMT

tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller) writes: >
emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout) said: > E>
mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes: >  >
>
>  >**************************************************************
>  >I RECENTLY HAD A "CONVERSATION" WITH MADDI HAUSMANN
>  >TELL ME   WHAT  YOU  THINK OF THIS MESS.
>  >[etc. deleted]
>
> E> Yup, its a mess alright!  Especially since we've seen this posting
> E> for the 50th time.
>
> E> We got your drift Mitchell!
>
>	Well, I pointed out to Mr. Kotler in email that posting private
>mail to Usenet is in violation of etiquette and policy, along with the
>personal opinion that he might try to lighten up a bit.
>
>	I got mail back that contained a cited copy of my mail followed
>by 16 repititions of "Fuck you."
>
>	Mr. Kotler is not stable, in my opinion.

I second the opinion.  I have also heard from another poster who
is getting harassing e-mail from Mr. Kotler.

Anyway, I've sent mail to the sysadmin on Mr. Kotler's system,
and have heard back from him.  Mr. Kotler has been warned that
continued e-mail harassment will result in his account being pulled.

I hate to resort to this step.  I do not understand why some people
find it necessary to send e-mail flamage to others who disagree
with them.  It's okay with me if you have a different opinion
than I do.  In fact, if you explain why you feel the way you do,
I might even learn something from you!

Anyway, to avoid the flamefight that went on in this thread I 
will refrain from reporting the gist of Mr. Kotler's harassing
mail to me.  Suffice it to say I asked him three times to leave me
alone before notifying the sysadmin and postmaster.

Now, back to arguing about whether Jews like to argue!


-- 
Maddi Hausmann                madhaus@netcom.com
Humorist, Satirist, Tech Writer.  Take your pick.

Centigram Communications Corp, San Jose California  408/428-3553
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: SCJ HAS BEEN DECONTAMINATED!
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:48:21 GMT

In article <1h25kgINN456@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, jtauber@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (James Tauber) writes:
> Mark Ira Kaufman (bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
> :     But I happen
> :     to think that proselytizers are a pain in the ass.  I have no
> :     patience with them, and i do not feel there is any reason why
> :     I should put up with them.  
> Jesus would agree with you completely.
> Infact, He would agree with most of what S.C.J. has said against missionaries.
> Before you flame me, this is not a missionarizing post. As far as I'm
> concerned, helping Jews to make aliyah (through fund-raising for UIA) is
> a lot more obedient to Jesus.
> 
> Happy Hanukah
> 
> James Tauber

No I don't agree

Jesus
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hook@unixg.ubc.ca (Chris Hook)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Messiah Jesus: re atonement thru death of a person
Date: 15 Dec 1992 19:01:11 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: kestrel.geog.ubc.ca

(this invocation of Postnews wouldn't bring in the article. so
I'll paraphrase).

It was stated that modern version of the Tanakh DO NOT contain text
from Isaiah 53:4 onwards, I assume through to the end of Isaiah 53.

Now in front of me is the New Jewish Publication Society Tanakh which
I spend quite alot of time in. As I turn to Isaiah 53, I find the entire
text of Isaiah 53 to be there. Beside this is a New Internation Version
of the Bible, which has the same text (In fact I find the JPS version to
be even more descriptive). Now I also, look up Isaiah 53 in a Revised
Standard Version of the Bible as well as a King James version. All have
essentially the same text, with, IMHO, the JPS version being the most
heart rendering.

From all accounts that I can see, the New JPS Tanakh IS the modern
rendition that is going to widely used in Jewish circles and it
more than checks out with all the Christain Bibles I listed above
(I've got them all right here in front of me as I decided to not
trust my own recollection on such a strong claim).


What version of the Tanakh is being refered to here?



--
Chris Hook 
Atmospheric Sciences
University of .B.C., Vancouver, Canada
e-mail: hook@geog.ubc.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller)
Subject: Re: Jews, Cincinatti, and the KKK
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
	<1992Dec14.011630.16397@nysernet.org>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:37:40 GMT

On Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:16:30 GMT, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) said:

 > There's a difference between the US and Canada in that in the US there
 > is supposed to be a separation of Church and State.  (I know, tell
 > that to the Supreme Court!)  Using public property for religious
 > displays, be they creches, menorahs, crosses, etc, is clearly
 > unconstitutional (and one day the Supreme Court will take its
 > Christian blinders off and realize it).

	Ummm.

	Well, the concept of "separation of Church and State" is an
artifact of Supreme Court decisions through the years.  All the
Constitution says is that there will be no religious tests for holders
of public office (I'm tempted to say "elected officials" here, but I
don't have a source to check handy).  Should the Supreme Court choose to
change their current interpretation, the "separation" idea goes out the
window. 

	Even this ban seems only applicable at the federal level.  Many
(most?) state constitutions require officeholders at least acknowledge
that they believe in G-d; some (like Maryland, I think) even go so far
as to state that holders affirm J*s*s.

 > The Lubavitch, by putting their fershtunkiner menorahs up on public
 > property all over, helps destroy the case of the rational Jewish
 > community and paves the way for the KKK.

	Amazing logic, I must say.

-- Cerebus <tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
"Anyway."
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:15:16 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject:    Masswara

{Excerpt from: The Other Israel, no.50/Jan.Feb-92}

MASSARWA'S ONGOING STRUGGLE

Trade-unionist and political activist Mahmoud Massarwa, a
Palestinian with Israeli citizenship, has been in prison since
June 1988*. A ten-year sentence was imposed upon him for
espionage, after the court rejected his plea that a confession
had been extracted from him by force. There was much
international attention for this case of a man apparently
victimised for his political ideas. Moreover, Massarwa's alleged
act of espionage consisted of an attempt to send to a British
newspaper a classified document regarding the Israeli police
involvement in the killing of Palestinian prisoners.

From the start the prison authorities severely curtailed his
rights as a prisoner. In May 1991, Massarwa lodged an appeal
regarding his prison conditions. The court postponed hearings on
his request to have the right to home leave, and phone calls -
rights granted to other prisoners. The judge did order the prison
authorities to stop interfering with Massarwa's right to receive
books and to send and receive letters. However, this order was
not implemented in practice, and the prison authorities continue
to prevent visitors from giving him books, cloths etc.

In June 1991, Massarwa was moved to Ashmoret Prison. There, he is
kept locked up for 22 hours a day, with a Russian cellmate who
speaks no Hebrew. When allowed out, Massarwa is forbidden to
speak to other prisoners, and they are forbidden to speak to him.
Massarwa protested by wearing a gag when on his daily exercise
hour. The prison authorities responded by placing him in solitary
confinement for a week, the first two days without a mattress.

After many delays, the case of the home leave and phone calls
came back to the Tel-Aviv District Court on January 8, 1992.
Judge Ben Shlomo rejected the appeal. Giving these rights to
Massarwa, so the state claimed, would constitute a danger to
state security . Asked by Adv. Avigdor Feldman, Massarwa's
attorney, the state representative stated that it would be
dangerous to let Massarwa telephone, even if his calls would be
monitored and taped. To substantiate these claims, secret
evidence was produced which even Massarwa and his lawyer were not
allowed to see. We therefore can only guess what it is about.
Could it be that Mahmoud Massarwa's voice is of such a pitch as
would damage the whole system of Israel's telephone network?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: davidh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (David Klein)
Subject: Re: Chinese Food
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:04:12 GMT

The Chineese food thing has been organized at Brandeis University for
the last four years. A student who graduated last year, David Z. has
sold Chineese food to most of the dormitories on Tuesday and Thursday
nites. Since he still lives in the area, he still does it, and has
expanded to tue, thurs, fri, sun. He is known very well on this campus
as the Chineese Food Man. There is a t-shirt which is sold in his
honor. 
A freind of mine once told me that he was in a class with the Chineese
Food Man. During that class the professor poked a little fun at him by
ordering peking ravoli in the middle of class. He's a great guy, and
he provides a great service. Chineese food is definitely the late nite
food of choice for Brandeis students.
-- 
 David H. Klein        davidh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu      Brandeis University
 "The single most creative thing that a person can do is run a company."     
                            -Jerry Sterner   author of Other People's Money
  << The opinions reflected herein have no relation Brandeis University >>
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:22860 alt.atheism:23603
From: disaacs@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (david.e.isaacs)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Why I became an Athiest (was: frustrations with christianity)
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:26:43 GMT
Organization: AT&T

>
>I know lots of Jews, MR. Saal. I was born Jewish. You, sir, are no Jew,
>only a close minded bigot. Unless you care to argue that all Jews are such. 
>This I will also argue against.
>
>To those of you reading this on soc.culture.jewish; I suggest that
>you teach Mr.Saal that It is not a good thing for him to give 
>anti-semites ammunition.

With your definition of Jews we need not worry about anti-semites.  There
wouldn't be be any Jews left for them to hate.

>
>To Mr. Saal: I  Feel very, very sorry for you. Please don't have 
>children; If you are the one teaching them, I fear for their 
>well being. Please lock yourself up somewhere, and throw away the key.
>You are a very scary, pathetic person.
>
>Robert Johnston

I can understand why your afraid of Sam.  People are often afraid 
of what they can't or don't want to understand.  I wonder what it is
about people who believe in something, that makes those who believe in 
nothing so afraid.

Boo .....

Now go back to were you came from!


David Isaacs			If I said it, why blame anyone else?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: avigross@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (avi.e.gross)
Subject: Re: Entertaining suggestions for responses to "Merry Christmas"
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 12:53:46 GMT

Since people generally don't mean anything negative with "Merry Christmas"
and I nonetheless am usually annoyed by having to deal with being involved
in religious celebrations, I suggest the following kind of response:

	"I don't celebrate Christ Mass but I hope you have a happy
	 religious celebration this year."

The space in "Christ Mass" is intentional and I pronounce it as two words
so it does not rhyme with Christmas. Whether or not many people think of
it that way, for a serious Christian the real event is supposed to
represent a "Mass" (as in Catholic Mass) to represent the supposed birthday
of "Christ". The derivation of the word is obviously ignored by many
people. I remember my Catholic friends going to a somewhat redundant
"Christmas Mass!"
-- 
Avi E. Gross, AT&T Bell Laboratories, 908-576-3218
	attmail!avigross or avi_e_gross@att.com

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Why I became an Athiest (was: frustrations with christianity)
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:12:40 GMT

In <101969@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:

>There is no need for this character assassination.  Disagree, point
>out errors of logic and so on, but leave this trash in alt.stupidity.

I agree that there is no need for this.  There is also no need to
carry on discussions cross-posted between scj and alt.atheism.  This
article appears only in scj.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
 |__/__/_/    
 |warren@         "WARENS statement in his signature express a Nazi idea."
/ nysernet.org 			    Gideon Ehrlich
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: wsr@gtech.com (William S. Rubin (Consultant))
Subject: Re: Hebrew Word Processors
Keywords: Word_Processors
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich RI
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:37:34 GMT



I am  looking for a Right to Left DA for the MAC that can be
used with 'any' font.  Has anyone used these?  Does any one like
them?  

The couple of places I called said that you must use 'their' fonts.
Why (other then key board mapping?).  If I have another language font
that I want to display right to left how can I do it?

-Bill Rubin




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DISCLAIMER: The views expressed are entirely my own, except for those
I got from elsewhere.  My views and those expressed should never be
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employed and then these views are entirely my own.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Order of dressing
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 00:15:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec3.051917.8874@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David) writes:
>I am interested in finding about in which order Jews should put clothes on and
>the Kabbalistic/other reasons for this. I understand, for example, that the 
>right side should dominate and so the right arm should be put through the right
>side of a shirt etc first. Similarly, the right shoes and socks should be put 
>on first. I would like to find more details about this.

I'm no Kabbalist (and I don't even play one on TV) but I seem to
recall that when putting things ON, Right is done before Left, because
the Right is more important (at least when dealing with things
relating to one's body).  When taking things OFF, things are done in
the reverse order.

Thus one puts on the R sock before the L sock.

However, in the issue of tying, Left is done before Right.
So after putting on the R shoe, then the L shoe, 
the L shoe is tied and then the R shoe is tied.
When removing and untying, this procedure is exactly reversed.
I think that this has to do with Tying Teffillin on one's Left hand 
(for most men, at least.)

Corrections/amplifications from authorities will be much appreciated.

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: Murray Kahl <kahl@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>
Subject: Arens, unable to defend his honor?
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <Murray Kahl <kahl@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:55:30 GMT

From: arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens)
Subject: Re: Is Failure to Support Pollard Anti-Semitic?
 
In article <1992Dec12.233236.15115@midway.uchicago.edu>
clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman) writes:
>
> David Sternlight has kindly written the following:
>
 
YA>You shouldn't be so upset.  David Sternlight is incapable of listening
YA>to others' arguments and responding to them.  
 
Curious, from a singular anomaly whose greatest chore is determining which 
comes first, character assassination by lies and innuendo, or apostasy by
suggestion and innovation.
 
YA> He substitutes for this a rude and exaggerated insistence that the 
TRUE issue -- which he believes he has the sole authority to define -- 
 
As opposed to your contemptuous disregard for the sincere and honest 
feelings of others who realize that truth is more durable than an Aren's 
missile, invariably off target and disharmonious.
 
YA>is being ignored, and that his opponent is thereby shown to be a 
despicable, miserable renegade, with psychological problems to boot.  
 
When his opponent, the untruthful Arens cries foul there is something 
within his cries that show his disattachment from that we all expect
and demand of honest posters. It is you that identifies himself with
outcast and exiles.
 
YA> He's done it with you, he's done it with me, he's done it with others.  
 
Only in the opinion of a man who cannot defend himself against the charge
of manufacturing information to suit his own agenda. Who can believe you?
 
YA> You *know* there's something funny about Mr. Sternlight when you find 
people from all sides of the political issues discussed on TPM and SCJ (and
that's quite a wide variety of views!) united in their opinion of him.
 
Since when is a point of view that distorts and lies considered a political
point of view?
 
YA> My favorite Mr. Sternlight antic is the childish way in which he
announces to the world that someone he dislikes is being ADDED TO HIS
KILL FILE!
--
Yigal Arens
USC/ISI                                                TV made me do it!
arens@isi.edu                                           
 
Yassir's alias is TV in Aren's lexicon!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish