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From: ren@hopper.ACS.Virginia.EDU (Karen Prestemon)
Subject: Re: Branding kids, IQ tests, smart vs dumb (Was: Re: Seminar Program)
Organization: UVA. FREE Public Access UNIX! 
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:51:50 GMT

In article <1jkcblINNp9v@shelley.u.washington.edu> gwynne@stein.u.washington.edu (Kristan Geissel) writes:
>When I was in high school, my folks (much to the dismay of the administra-
>tion) refused to have any of their children to take the Washington Pre-
>College test and the SATs.  They knew, I don't know how, that we would 
>all fail miserably.  Their plan was to have us go to a community college
>for a couple of years, transfer to the Univ. of Washington with a good
>GPA and go from there.  We all did and with the exception of the youngest,
>have all graduated.
>
Is there some law saying that every child in the US has to take all these
tests?  when my kids starts school (well, is born first, and then eventually
stats school) can I refuse to let him take the tests?

Can a person get into a 4 year university WITHOUT the SATs?

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 19:34:00 GMT

In article <24663@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (Still a curmudgeon) writes:
>In article <30493@castle.ed.ac.uk> jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson) writes:
>>In article <24641@alice.att.com> jj@alice.att.com (old curmudgeon) writes:
>
>>->Jeremy, if you have some FACTS to offer, then offer them.
>
>>The FACTS were already offered by the poster who said that she had her
>>son circumcised and heard him screaming all the way down the hall. How
>>many horror stories do you really have to hear??

>That's not a fact, that's an anecdote. The "facts" involve the
>still open question of "is it better", the statistics on
>disease, injury, and so on.  Personally, I don't doubt it hurts,
>but that's hardly the important issue, if it DOES have long-term
>medical benefits, the existance of which is not at all
>disproven (but is not entirely proven, either, and in the
>context of very modern medicine and hygene is yet to be
>carefully examined).

This is all very wishy-washy.  I have heard many people claim that it is
an open question, still up in the air, but no one has any references to
back this up.  If you do, please post them.

>More
>precisely, arguing for "freedom to choose" is inherently
>the neutral position, as neither endorsement nor banning
>can represent a neutral position.

Yes, but who is free to chose in this case: the owner of the body, the
individual involved.  Some would claim that the parents are the rightful
owner's of the infant's body.  Pro-circ's would hold this position. Do you?

JC
--
Have you washed your brain today?
From: CT.LVA@forsythe.stanford.edu (Linda Apperson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: mini-pills and nursing
Date: 28 Jan 1993 11:18:24 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
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>>
>>I would never use the mucous/"natural family planning method" in the
>>absence of regular periods that a woman has for a long time while nursing
>>(nine months so far and counting...can anyone tell me how long this is
>>gonna last?)--someone recently recommended it here, but it *is* guessing,
>
>I got my first period (while exclusively nursing) exactly 4 months
>after my son was born.  I too am curious about others.  I was hoping
>it wouldn't return for a while longer.  What has been the experience
>of others?  Was is similar or different for subsequent pregnancies?
>
>Valerie
My first period, while exclusively nursing, was 5 months after my
daughter's birth.  I was pretty disappointed it came so soon.
Linda
From: neville@cs.washington.edu (Dorothy Neville)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Potheads of the 70's Raising Kids
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:23:20 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle


Let's see if I can recap some of the arguments of this thread.  First
someone (Laura?) said that she had a great time doing drugs, and
wonders how she can tell her child about that and also keep them from
doing drugs.  Then Nancy said to talk about the bad experiences as
well, and tells of a couple of her own, and some stories of friends
who had some bad times with drugs.  Then someone flamed Nancy and said
if she had more than one bad experience then she is stupid and no one
should listen to her.  And a whole host of folks reiterated that drugs
were all fun for them, no problems.  (then why are you trying to keep
your kids from having the same fun?)

OK, first a comment to whoever flamed Nancy for being stupid for
having more than one scary experience.  All I can say is that if you
use that same attitude with your teenager, you are not going to get
anywhere.  They are more likely to pick up on the attitude you
demonstrate by deciding that no one should listen to Nancy, just
because you thought she did something stupid.  If I were your teen, I
would use that as an excuse not to listen to you, who of course is
going to do something I think stupid, that's the definition of parent
from a teen perspective.

Teenagers do not have a sense of mortality.  I reckon that
the things Nancy (and others -- she is certainly not alone) realise
now were scary and bad times were not considered that risky or
horrible back then.  As parents and other people who work with
teenagers, we have to take that into consideration. 

Now here's my 2 cents on what to tell kids.  (I think that this is in
the same category as being sexually active, so will include that.)
Sex and drugs can be very pleasurable.  But both activities can
involve some physical, emotional, legal and financial risk.  I am sure
that anyone of us could come up with a fairly objective list of what
those risks are.  And one main point I would try to make is that one
of the best things they can do to reduce the risk is to delay
experimenting with either sex or drugs until they are older.  Just
being older won't make all the risks go away, but being out of
puberty, adolescence, with the growth spurts and hormone rushes
associated with it might mean that they are better able to make
educated decisions about their bodies and what they want to do with
them and who you want to do it with.  Now as I look at what I wrote, I
think I am being hopelessly naive, how many teens want to hear that
they should wait for anything?  And how many of them believe that they
are vulnerable to risks, which by their nature are probabilistic?  But
at least I think this is an honest approach.

Dorothy Neville
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: haircut tips for 4-5 month old?
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:12:34 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1jv0ciINNi9i@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> nola@cats.ucsc.edu (Nola Van Vugt) writes:
   
   In article <199301241934.AA20266@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
   >Hi folks,
   >
   >here's another problem in which your wisdom is needed. Is there any
   >easy way to cut the hair of a 4-5 month old? 
   >
   no
   >on bed, cut) but the front was challenging beyond belief. We succeeded
   >after she was sedated by formula :-) but I'm sure there's got to be a
   >safer way. 
   
   There is--you do it while they're sleeping.  If you're lucky it won't
   take more than 3 or 4 days to get the job done :-)

I think this goes for nail-cutting too, unless someone has some great tip
they'd like to share (please??)




-- 
===Jeremy Henderson===jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk=          

Note: Performing too many flushes can adversely affect performance
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From: lewis@linac.fnal.gov (June Cummins Lewis)
Subject: Re: Song Lyrics Requested
Organization: Fermilab, Batavia, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:43:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.203723.28998@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>In article <lm8dnmINN9lf@news.bbn.com> llovero@testament.bbn.com. (Linda Lovero) writes:
>>
>>There are a few songs that I'd like to sing to my daughter, Amy, but
>>I don't know the words.  I went to the library, but they have more
>>music history books.  I'm sure of the exact titles, but here are the
>>songs:
>>
>>Aimee (sp?) by Pure Prairie League 
>>("Aimee, whatcha gonna do? I think I'm in love with you, for awhile,
>>maybe longer, yes I do....")
>>If you could send the lyrics to my email address I'd appreciate it
>>because this group generates too much mail for me to keep caught up.

There is a song from the musical "Where's Charlie?" that's called
"Once in Love With Amy."  

>
>Well the email bounced, so here goes, from Pure Prairie League's
>Bustin' Out (available on CD I might add):
>
>              AIMEE
>
>I can see why you think you belong to me
>I never tried to make you think
>or let you see one thing for yourself
>Now you're off with someone else and I'm alone
>I can never see what's right and what is wrong
>
>Don't take too long to see
>
>Aimee, what'choo gonna do
>I think I could stay with you
>For awhile maybe longer if I do.
>
>Now it's time for what you want, you've had your way
>And all the things you thought weren't proper
>Could be something something
>Can't you see
>That's why we should turn(?) together or alone
>I can never see what's right and what is wrong
>
>Don't take too long
>
>Aimee, etc.

At the end, the singer adds "I keep falling in and out of love with you."
My son is absolutely hooked on this song--he has a friend named Amy,
and her mom gave us a tape with this song on it.  We have it in the
car, and for about four months, he insisted on hearing it over and
over--since our average car ride is 20 minutes long, I heard this song
A LOT, let me tell you.  And I still can't figure out some of the
words!

Luckily, he discovered that Raffi was on the other side of the tape.  
"Ain't it great to be crazy?"  Well, better than hearing "Aimee" a
million times a day!

>I think there is one more verse.
>Not bad, from memory.  I don't believe the album has the words with it
>or I'd know what the "something something" is supposed to be.  And now
>I'll be humming this tune all day.

The nice thing about this song is that you can hear it a zillion times
and not retch upon hearing it yet another time.  It's not grating.  I
used to like it a lot, but now I just tolerate it!

June
-- 
"Saying that men talk about baseball in order to avoid talking about their
feelings is the same as saying that women talk about their feelings in order
to avoid talking about baseball."
			--Deborah Tannen, author of _You Just Don't Understand_
From: dedek@meaddata.com (Mike Dedek)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Are subjects regarding teenager+ kids out of place here?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:47:25 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: world
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In article <C0wn2o.43K@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, af5@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Wendy Lin) writes:
|> In article <C0v91D.17u@SSD.intel.com> wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang) writes:
|> >Although my child is only 2.5, I am still interested to know what's to 
|> >come or expect 5 or 6 years later...
|> I don't think you really want to know.  All they say to you is
|> something like "Why do I have to do things your way?", "Why can't I
|> pick where I want to go for a vacation?", "You are fat.", etc.
|> 
|> My 14 year old niece hid her father's peanuts because he did not
|> monitor his cholesterol level.
|> 
|> Young kids make us feel like the most loving and wonderful people in
|> the world.  Teens bring us down to the ground.  On the positive side,
|> they make us less self-righteous.
|> 
|> Wendy Lin

If your site gets the alt.* hierarchy of groups, there's a newsgroup called
alt.parents-teens that might suit your needs.

-Mike Dedek

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Tryer)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 02:27:12 GMT

In article <daved.727560402@convex.convex.com> daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
>
>On January 12th the boston Globe published a study showing that penile 
>cancer was three times more likely to occur in uncircumcised males then 
>circumcised males.

Since the majority of men in the US are still circumcised, I would venture
that there had to be some other countries included in this study.  Was there
a careful evaluation of hygene and living conditions in this study?

>
>I have heard a number of unsubstantiated stories of adult males requiring
>circumcision due to recurring urinary tract infections. This is not 
>a fact, nonetheless I would hate to go through that as a concious adult.
>

Well, as a female with recurring UTI's I have never had it suggested that
I reconstruct my urethra to stop having them.   The only reconstruction I
know of in this area for women is for incontinency.

From what I have read, when men hit their later years, the prostrate naturally
begins to enlarge.  This can block the flow of urine and cause an increase
in the possibility of UTI's.  The recommended cure for this was to ensure
that the male push all the urine out into the stream so that none can be 
backed up to get infected.  This recommendation was no different for intact
and circumcised penises.

During the last circumcision wars a male who had undergone adult circumcision
commented on the procedure and from what it sounded like, it was no more
traumatic than my recent septoplasty (which was miserable enough, thank you).
So, while I can think of preventative medicine as a valid way to live, I have
to question surgery on infants to prevent a chance at the same surgery
later.

I am not saying that I want in any way to infringe on the rights of parents
to choose as they see fit.  But I do think we have to look at the medical
evidence as questionable.  I think circumcision as preventitive medicine falls
into the same category as hysterectomies for preventative medicine.  Once
a woman has had a hysterectomy, there is very little chance she will get
uterine cancer.  Yet this standard medical practice of 10 years or so ago has
come under great questioning.  I think circumcision to prevent UTI's in adult
males should be examined just as closely and just as carefully.

However, that said, I don't expect that just because someone examined the same
evidence as I did and came to a different conclusion they are necessarily 
wrong.  In the large scheme of life, it is a moot point as both circumcised
and uncircumcised males have led happy, healthy lives for generations upon
end.
-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: llovero@testament.bbn.com (Linda Lovero)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Song Lyrics Requested
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:52:38 GMT
Reply-To: llovero@testament.bbn.com. (Linda Lovero)
Distribution: usa
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Hello -

There are a few songs that I'd like to sing to my daughter, Amy, but
I don't know the words.  I went to the library, but they have more
music history books.  I'm sure of the exact titles, but here are the
songs:

Babyface
("Babyface, you've got the cutest little babyface....")

Amy (an oldie)
("Once in love with Amy, always in love with Amy.....")

Aimee (sp?) by Pure Prairie League 
("Aimee, whatcha gonna do? I think I'm in love with you, for awhile,
maybe longer, yes I do....")

If you could send the lyrics to my email address I'd appreciate it
because this group generates too much mail for me to keep caught up.

Thanks a lot!  

- Linda Lovero

P.S. How long does it take for a tooth to fully grow in? Amy cut her
first tooth right after Christmas and it's still only showing about
1/8".  She just cut her second tooth last night so I'm curious to see
if the second one is any different. It's just taking longer than I
thought.
From: biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Girls names - "M"
Date: 28 Jan 1993 11:14:29 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan25.185831.22273@cbnewse.cb.att.com> elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
>
>These mentions of M names have me wondering -- is there
>anyone naming their daughters Mary anymore?
(stuff deleted)

>When I was a kid, there were LOTS of girls named Mary.
>Now, I hardly see a birth announcement with that name.
>And I never see any babies named Marie (though it's finally
>cropping up again as a middle name -- remember when
>every other little girl had Marie for a middle name?)
>
>So if I named a daughter Mary, she would be Mary Pedersen,
>which sounds OK, but to my generation is a name akin to
>Jane Doe.  And also seems a bit plain, in this era of
>Kaitlin, Jennifer, Meghan, and Nicole.  And would a Mary
>automatically be assumed to be Catholic?  

Depends on the neighborhood. About half of Angelica's playmates
are named "Maria" as the first name but they use their middle names
to go by. 

Susan



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mtj@atlastele.com (Mark Johnson)
Subject: Opposite Sex Sleepovers (Help!)
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Disclaimer: Views expressed do not necessarily represent those of my employer.
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 20:45:04 GMT

I have a question regarding friends and sleepovers.

Here is my situation:

Our family is very close with another family. We have kids
who are the same ages (6 1/2 , and 3). The older kids, my
daughter and their son, have been friends since birth.

Once in a while, the Daddies give the Mommies a weekend
away from the kids.  When we do this, the two families
stay at one house and the Mommies go to the other house
(or wherever they please).  

This works out great, usually.

Lately, however, the question of sleeping arrangements
has caused a problem, and it may be only as problem with
my attitude, but I would like some independant opinions.

I feel that the 6 1/2 year olds are too old to sleep in the
same room together, since they are opposite sex. While none
of the other parents disagrees strongly with me, the kids
are very disappointed (esp. their son) when they are told
that they will not get to sleep in the same room.

The other parents say that they had sleepovers with good
family friends of the opposite sex until age 10 or so,
and that it is not a problem.

However, we have caught them (about a year ago) involved in
playful exploration, so I am leery of encouraging this.

Am I being over-protective???

Please e-mail responses, since I rarely have time to
browse through this very active newsgroup.

Thanks in advance for your help.


Mark T. Johnson           |  mtj@adcmail.atlastele.com
Atlas Telecomm            |
4640 SW Macadam Ave       |
Portland, Or. 97201       |
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From: d85-hga@dront.nada.kth.se (Hillevi Gavel)
Subject: Re: More humorous developmental milestones
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:56:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.160515.2380@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>
>  What do folks think of letting a child color on one wall of his/her
>  bedroom?  (As long as you own the home).  When I was little I didn't
>  see why I couldn't decorate my room anyway I wanted too, including
>  my art work.  I think I'll let my son have one wall to draw on, knowing
>  that in the future, he'll be responsible for painting over it, when
>  he gets tired of seeing his "kiddie" pictures.  

Our rule is that Alvin can do whatever he likes with his toys,
provided that it doesn't hurt anyone else's belongings. So of course
he wanted to know why he couldn't paint on his walls (rented home). I
said that when he was big enough to repaint the room by himself he
could do whatever he liked (and promised to teach him to paint when
that time came). 

The idea of letting kid draw on one wall was a new one. Maybe good,
but I'm not quite sure I could explain to Vanda that _only_ that wall
was allowed. We did not have much trouble with Alvin and the rule
"only draw on _paper_".




-- 
Hillevi Gavel		"The child may not be subject to corporal punishment 
Stockholm		or other abusive treatment" 
Sweden			-- Swedish law
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Headsize boy vs. girl (Was: Head size (was: ultrasound exper
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:41:41 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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In article <16B62B52E.BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU> BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann) writes:
>In article <9301261611.AA10438@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com>
> 
>my Lamaze class during the following weeks.  It wasn't a statistically
>sigificant sample size, but it seemed as if every mother with a girl had
>had a child with a relatively small head, whereas all the boy's heads were
>rather large - some of them rather deformed, too.  Any opinions out there?
>Are boys' heads usually bigger than girls'?  Or was that just a strange
>coincidence?

Boys are supposedly 1/2 lb bigger than girls on average at birth, so 
I imagine the headsize is also on average slightly bigger.  But
"big head" vs "small head" in the sense of this discussion is something
that seems very much hereditary--I have a big head, like my father and
third child; my husband has an average-sized head, like his father and
my other two kids.

Sue
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: wheaton@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Mike Wheaton)
Subject: Fussy Infant Eater needs Recipes
Summary: Needed Baby Food Recipes
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 02:50:11 GMT

I am in need for recipes for Baby Food for a 8-month-old fussy eater.  He
doesn't seem to like many of the "brand-name" baby foods because most of the
meat-veggie combinations contain carrots.  

mike
From: kvick@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kim Vick)
Subject: Re: Girls names - "M"
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 13:31:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.205107.9014@pts1.pts.mot.com>
alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com writes:
>Hi, 
>
>My husband and I have decided it's time to think about starting baby #3 
>we have a son who is 4 yrs old called MATTHEW ROBERT 
>and an 18 mth old daughter called MELANIE KATE
>
>IF #3 is a boy we already have a name picked out .... MICHAEL DAVID  
>but we can't seem to think of another girls name beginning with an M 
>that we BOTH like!! 
>
>any suggestions that I can put before hubby are appreciated!!
>
I've always thought that Michelle is a very pretty name.  Marissa seems to be
becoming pretty popular these days.  Then there's Mandy, Mary, Molly, Melissa,
Missy, Mallory, Misty, Marsha, Marti, ... geez - the list goes on forever! 
Good luck!

-- 
*****************************************************************************
Kim S. Vick                             "Please, Lord, let me prove to you
kim.vick@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM              that winning the lottery won't spoil
I want my zip code to be 90210.          me!"
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