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From: danny.ingram@business.gatech.edu (Danny Ingram)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Media needs info on CO2
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:49:45 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I am a writer for Etcetera Magazine, a regional GLB publication here in 
Atlanta.  I am the Sports editor and I am writing an article on the "selective"
boycott of resorts in Colorado.  I need some information and I need it today!
(Monday).  First, what does EPOC stand for, and what does this group think 
about the boycott of Colorado goods and services, espcially the resort 
industry?  Second, there are groups in Colorado who sponsor annual GLB ski 
trips.  I think this group is called the Colorado Gay Businessmen's Assn.  
Could someone give me some information about this group and what they think 
about a possible boycott.  Also, what do groups like the Gay Rodeo Assn think
about the boycott?  

Your timely response will be greatly appreciated!      Danny Ingram

Respond to e-mail danny.ingram@business.gatech.edu
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Social Democracy
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 12:58:19 GMT


In article <1992Nov10.031204.1022@spdcc.com>
rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>	I miss Clay, sometimes.

I doubt he'd bother himself much with the likes of these
idjits.  Most of his remarks depend on a person being able to
read, you know, as in thinking, and these boys definitely
come up short in that department.

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From: jtroxel@carson.u.washington.edu (Joseph Troxel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Oregon & Colorado antigay initiatives
Keywords: OCA, CFV, Nazis, ballot measures
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:43:29 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <lftr95INN25d@news.bbn.com> rrizzo@star-trek.bbn.com (Ron Rizzo) writes:

>Finally, these creeps said they intend to launch similar political initiatives
>in Washington, California, Nevada and Idaho.  They'll need a lot of luck in
>Washington and California:  these states are more diverse and somewhat less
>redneck than Oregon.  

There is a *very* conservative element in Eastern Washington and the rural
areas. Here around Puget Sound it's not so bad, but even the Washngton
State GOP is considering splitting into two factions because the
Christian extremist element took Pat Buchanan's convention speech and put
it directly into their platform. It is _not_ true that we won't have a
fight on our hands.
From: dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Fundamentalists and the clitoris
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:50:18 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA 94065
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Nov9.222158.19919@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>> ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) writes:
>>
>>EVERYBODY knows that WOMEN aren't ment to enjoy sex...they are cursed, and
>>what pleasure women get from sex is only from the pleasure she knows she
>>is given her man!!
>
>Proponents of this kind of sex-disinformation would be
>appalled at the article in yesterday's San Francisco Sunday
>Examiner-Chronicle all about this city's lesbian sex clubs,
>at which all kinds of women give and receive pleasure and
>pain, entirely without the involvement of male pleasure, or
>even intervention :-)

Is this the Chronicle's way of showing support for *Bush*?
-- 
Daniel Gilly                                   dgilly@us.oracle.com 
                                               Oracle Corporation
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From: walsh@optilink.UUCP (Mark Walsh)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: How Many Homosexuals?
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:02:57 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

From article <1992Nov9.004823.3211@u.washington.edu>, by tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith):
> One approach to estimating this would be to find some way to calculate it
> based on other estimated factors.  For example, 9% of men over 65 are
> either single or divorced.  Assuming that by the time one reaches 65,
> even gay men who got married before they realized that they were gay
> are likely to be divorced, this would put an upper limit of 9% on
> the percentage of gay people over 65.

Talk about a skewed sample.  You are making the remarkable
assumption that the percentage of gays over 65 is the same
as the percentage of those under 65.  A smoking survey that
I recently read showed that gay men are far more likely to
smoke cigarettes than straight men.  This factor alone would
significantly alter the number of gay men who make it to 65.
There are too many other variables to list.
-- 
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From: entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one)
Subject: Re: OCA launches _new_ petition drive
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:49:35 GMT

In article <Bwyp7F.ALI@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
>AND NOW!  FROM THE SAME KIND FOLKS WHO BROUGHT YOU OREGON MEASURE 9!
>
>(drum roll) (majestic fanfare blaat by massed nose whistle band) TA DA!
>
>   *   *   *   A new initiative petition drive   *   *   *
>
>to establish an government committee to oversee and control radio,
>TV and print news coverage.  All news reports would be scrutinized by
>this committee and censored for bias.  The OCA would, of course, have
>a seat on this committee.
>
>No, I'm not making this up.  They're perfectly serious.
>
>I suggest we call it the Ministry of Truth.

Actually this is probably good news, this means they will be wasting there
money on something that will make them look like complete idiots and has
no chance of passing in the current political climate.


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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Thugsy twins to run against each other!
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:44:32 GMT

  According to today's LA Times, Dannemeyer has publicly stated
that he will run for DiFi's senatorial seat in two years. Apparently,
not to be outdone by his evil twin, Bob Dornan says that he too has
eyes for good ol' DiFi's seat too, and was "Flabbergasted" that
Dannemeyer had not consulted him. Dornan, however said that that
would not stand in his way to which Dannemeyer said "It's a free
country" [yeah right, not if you have your way, scumbucket]
  Hallelujah! Who every said that likes cannot collide with the
result of mutual annihilation?
  Bye, bye Bob!
-- 

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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Gay Wealth (was: My Letter to Colorado)
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:09:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.020902.2967@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>, aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno) writes:
> I absolutely *hate* having this statistic bandied about. The fact is, it  
> is mostly the wealthy that have the ABILITY to set up something that could  
> be described as a "gay household". Money and status buys freedom,  
> particularly the freedom to be out of the closet.

  Doesn't it sound like the exact same scapegoating that anti-semites
use against Jews? Is it any wonder that CFV used this statistic
over and over. Is it a coincidence?
  Shudder.
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		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
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From: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Laurie Mann)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Marching on Washington and Protesting Bigotry
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:20:55 GMT
Reply-To: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

I think the events in Colorado makes it all the more important
for any of us who CAN go to the march in Washington this spring
SHOULD go.  Can you imagine the effect of 300,000 people marching
in Washington, carrying signs that say "Shame, Colorado!"?

I don't remember the details of the Washington march.  It's suppsed
to be in late April, right?  What plans are there?

*  NeXT: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com * GEnie:  Laurie.Mann  *
**** Bush or Perot, Just say NO! **  Vote for CHANGE in 1992!****
***** "Hollywood still doesn't get it." Dan Quayle, 9/21/92 *****
* "No Dan, YOU still don't get it."  American Voters, Fall 1992 *
***********    Gee, do you think he gets it now????   ***********
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:29:57 GMT

Fire strayt employees because you think they're gay! Or, if
you're in charge of hiring/firing at your company, every time
you dismiss someone, include their 'homosexuality' among the
reasons for firing them (or cite it as the only one, even if
it's only because of layoffs or something). After enough
people get fired because of this maybe people will get a clue
that it's unfair.

--
John Dorrance        * Sexyfunky Motherfuckerdiva *   thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

		I bet if you threw that ass into the air
			It'd turn into sunshine!
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From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: the purpose of soc.motss (was: off-topic discussions)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:54:13 GMT

Stephen Arrants (stephena@netcom.com) wrote:
> 
> Bore and stroke, stroke and bore -- whatever happened to the romance in
> mechanics?

reaming -- honing -- shrink fit -- valve stem seals --

compression -- lubrication -- reciprocating mass --

thermal expansion -- port polishing -- gland nut --

tightening torque -- surface roughness -- slip fit --

butt joint -- bursting pressure -- hardening temerature

--
Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.
                                           Santa Rosa, California
From: squires@mozzarella.cs.wisc.edu (Charles Squires)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Don't teach kids tolerance, their parents might not like it!
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:41:15 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

harris@gallium.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) writes:

>It was interesting to listen to their talking about multiculturalism
>before my presentation.  They talked about how it was important to
>make the atmosphere safe for minority youth, and to be "sensitive to
>the needs of minorities."

>I guess this still doesn't apply for kids when they're lesbian, gay,
>or bisexual.  :-(

>Trey Harris
>--Stranger in a Strange Thread!

I am starting to believe that "multi-culturalism" is the new PC word to
express racial tolerance.

As the Wisconsin Student Association (UW-Madison's student government)
Civil Rights and Concerns Director, I recently had the joy of driving
14 hours round-trip to Superior Wisconsin to spend 8 hours fighting to
keep protections for students with disabilities and lesbian/gay/bisexual
students in the United Council's (Wisconsin system-wide student lobbying
alliance of sorts) platform.

Most shocking part of all was that the all the effort that went into
claiming that GLB-folk and people with disabilities don't have 'cultures'
and that Asians aren't a 'minority' came from civil rights 'activists'
at the more racially-diverse UW-Milwaukee.

Anyway, we (the good guys) won.

Charlie
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: hello
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:36:54 GMT

elle@midway.uchicago.edu wrote: 
->A friend and I seriously considered sending Killat our admiration
->and condolences after the disastrous 0.5 that knocked him out of the
->running.  Does anyone here know how (rather than simply "Albin Killat,
->Muenchen, DEUTSCHLAND") we could get him a letter?

a trip to the library and some perusal of books which record olympic
records and sports history will probably indicate some athletic club
or  university affiliation ... which can usually be turned into an
address.

->Another Bayer (well, on the paternal side, anyway),

ditto. 

yours for recruiting sports figures,
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# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:29:56 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <10NOV92.18411115@enh.nist.gov>, aberson@enh.nist.gov wrote:
> 
> In a previous article, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) wrote:
> >I don't understand why you keep harping on talent.  
> 
> I don't understand why you are trying to apologize for people who 
> remove students from an acting department simply because they
> are gay.  

I am beginning to understand how Dolphie might not be such a bad
guy after-all...  The point is not one of apology.  The point is
that an actor who cannot 'rise above gay-ness' - essentially
leaving it behind for the duration of a part to which it is
not relevant - is not 'world-class.'  It was not at all clear
that the student had been dismissed for being gay, and being
gay alone.  And it seems rather unbelievable that Dolphie -
of all people - would be accused of sanctioning 'anti-gay'
actions on the part of a drama department, given his own
oft-stated propensity to campy queen-ness.

*X*
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From: lschmers@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lawrence S Schmersal)
Subject: Re: Another Culturally Elite Idea
Summary: Yes, but...
Organization: The Ohio Living Room
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 16:01:11 GMT

In article <1dgqbeINNs7q@plts.uucp> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>The Republicans have been using the phrase "Culturally Elite" a lot
>this last 6 months as a code-word for the liberal hollywood, liberal
>media, and les/bi/gays.  Of course, the implication is that all of
>hollywood and the media are h-o-m-o-s-e-x-u-a-l-s....

>The Berlin Wall fell not for freedom, but so that people
>go have access to shopping malls.
>
>Durring the cold war, the black market could bring a VCR to a Russian
>family.  The VCR would show them an American movie filled with American
>culture.  They would watch American TV shows and their brains would
>fill with American products and lifestyles.
>
>So who ended the cold war?  Well maybe, just maybe, it was the people
>behind the iron curtain seeing the Culturally Elite and wanting to be
>just like them.
>
>If anyone did the most to end the cold war, it was those
>h-o-m-o-s-e-x-u-a-l-s, liberal media types, and the people in the
>ultra-evil hollywood.  It was, the culturally elite.
>
>A hearty "THANK YOU" to all of... us... the "culturally elite".

I'm not disagreeing with you about American-style consumerism
being a factor in the various "democratic" reorganizations in the east, and I
realize that there is a whole lot of tongue-in-cheekedness in what you say
above but:

the problem is that the media, Hollywood, and very clearly many gays (and I
mean men, ladies [and I don't mean queers]) are _not_ liberal, and that the
"things" (ideologies, lifestyles [almost as stupid a word as
"photo-opportunity"], etc etc) that American culture does express via film, TV,
and other media doesn't exactly make being gay or tolerant or liberal look
cool.  There's a nice article somewhere (the Village Voice?) that talks about
the tremendous gaffe bush and quayle made in rejecting Hollywood after reagan
showed what a great resource that wonderful place of opportunity and good
feelings and liberalness could be.  On the other hand, I think the other half 
of what you say above is true: that Hollywood, cultural elitism, academia, the
media, and liberalism are all bad because they end up being equated with being 
gay or sympathetic to gay rights (which are rights _no_ _one_ _else_ has), 
both of which are, of course, bad.  I'm oversimplifying, but I guess my point 
is that Hollywood and media types stand up for themselves and their monetary 
success, which is the American way and this is the culture that we export, this
is what gets imitated in the long run, not democracy, liberalism, or the
right to be different from what is the real cultural elite.

Rant over.

Have a nice day, everybody.



                         Some Steve Somewhere in Ohio
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Why should I vote no on 9?
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:34:59 GMT
Organization: (getting there)

black@sybase.com (Christina Black) shakes me up a little:

 >I had a real revelatory experience while reading _Molly Ivins Can't Say
 >That, Can She?_.  I've always shared an attitude which I think is
 >common on the American left -- a casual condemnation of and lack of
 >understanding for "the evil fundies".  Ivins was discussing that kind
 >of attitude, and said basically that, while the leaders of these groups
 >may be vile, dishonest plutocrats, the majority of evangelical
 >Christians are people who are poor, getting poorer, horrified by
 >abortion and a world they don't understand, and scared shitless.  And
 >she says something like "it didn't used to be good left-wing politics
 >to look down on people like that."

Okay.  So I won't look down on them.  Frankly, I don't dare.  They
are too dangerous.  And there is nothing that I can do to reduce the
danger that they represent, because I (a Jewish intellectual woman
from NYC) can't reach them.  

I can sympathize with the threat that poverty represents to them.  I
can sympathize with the fear that they feel when they read about
kids dying from drugs (one way or another).  I guess I can even
stretch it to manage some empathy about how confusing and
intimidating it is to live in a world where kids are accusing their
parents of incest and abuse, and there's no respect for anything any
more.

But dammit all, I do not believe that the prettified fables of _Father
Knows Best_ represented real life.  I believe that kids _were_
abused and that some of the tried to say so and had their pleas for
protection squelched by supposedly right-minded people who had
respect for the good old values of home and family.

The followers choose to follow their leaders.  There is a point at
which they must be hold responsible.  The leaders they've chosen
make it almost impossible for anyone to help them come into the
world as it exists now, as we approach the 21st century.

 >It made me think.  I don't excuse hate, or hate crimes, any more than I
 >excuse inner-city violent crime.  And I still see fundamentalist
 >Christians, politically and ideologically, as my enemy.  But I now
 >think, as I think with the inner cities, that a solution to these
 >problems has to involve providing the people involved with a reason to
 >hope for the future, a reason to believe that they needn't suffer for
 >the sake of others' success, and a positive alternative to hate and
 >violence.

These are people who use their political power to block progress.
I do not scorn them, I repeat.  I'm much too frightened of them for
that.


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
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From: pmele@ldgo.columbia.edu (phil mele)
Subject: lesbians and HIV
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:03:08 GMT


the recent (nov/dec) issue of "the volunteer" by GMHC has a cover story
tittled "GMHC's lesbian aids project".  a lesbian sex survey was
conducted (no results) in order to gather information regarding this
issue.  the article does not give any profound information, but does
talk of the new 'division' of GMHC, Lesbian AIDS Project (LAP).  there
is also a phone number for information, (212) 337-3532.  the regular
GMHC hotline is personed from 10-9 during the week and 12-3 on sat,
i do not know if this is when the above number will also be personed.
the article is about a page and a half, i'm sorry i do not have time
to type it in, there are some interesting points.  if someone would
like me to fax a copy to them for posting to soc.motss, email me.

-- 

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Palisades, N Y  10964
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From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Boycott of Colorado / Amendment 2
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 21:06:09 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern):
> 1) Most of the ski resorts are in counties where the vote was against
> Amendment 2.

tough.  the law discriminates just as equally in counties
which voted against the Measure as it does for counties
which voted for the Measure.  a statewide boycott also
ensures that those who voted against will not become
complacent.  you have something to lose -- namely, us!

> 2) Most Coloradans against Amendment 2 are fighting this amendment now.

wonderful!  keep up the good work.

> I don't read this group, so if you would like to reply to me or ask
> questions, email please.

fuck off.  if you really cared about the response to your
posting, you'd be here reading for it.
-- 
Queer Without A Cause!
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon