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From: EPhantom@darknova.acf-lab.alaska.edu (A figment of your imagination)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: ** How about a FAQ **
Keywords: FAQ
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:18:54 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network

I've been reading this group for several months now and a sudden  
inspirational thought hit me! (and the crowd groans) What this group
could use is a good old FAQ post every once in a while. I been here a
while and I still haven't seen any nicely condensed information about
the subjects that are discussed here. I'm willing to attempt to put
together a FAQ for this group; however I don't consider myself highly
knowledgeable in the area, So I'm going to be asking for a lot of
background info on some of the subjects brought up here.

But first what I could really use are some questions! I have
an idea already on some information that would be needed to
be included into the FAQ, but your input would be appreciated.

Here are some examples of what I would like to include in the FAQ:

Alien Groups:
  I would like to put out some condensed background on the
  different types of aliens discussed on this group.
 
          Greys: I have some information on these guys,
                 but I would like some more.
     Pleiadians: I have no information on these, any 
                 background info would be of help.
            MIB: I have this area covered.
 Reptilian race: I don't know the name of them but i
                 have heard them talked about on this
                 group, any info would help.
         others: any other groups I didn't think of.

UFO Organizations:
  I currently have no information on any of these groups,
  if anyone has some background info, Phone Numbers, Mailing
  addresses or the Long titles for the below acronyms of the
  groups please send them to me.

 MICAP
 UFOROM 
 MUFON
 SOBEPS
 BUFORA
 NUFON
 
Known and acclaimed UFologists's:
  maybe some short background info on some of the Major
  people discussed in this group, such as:
 
  Bud Hopkins
  John Lear
  others

Active UFO sights and locations:
  A current listing of locations that are suppose to be
  "UFO Active"
 
General Books that may be a good reference for people
interested in UFO's, and a List of new books out about UFO's

These are just some ideas that could be included in the FAQ.
Please send me any information on the above topics or other topics
and I'll organize it and stick it into a readable FAQ format if
there is enough interest generated. 

                         EPhantom@darknova.acf-lab.alaska.edu
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From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:12:15 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <24754@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
>keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>
>1) In any given paranormal scenario, the Believers will believe and the
>   Skeptics will be skeptical.
>
>However once it's been shown how that the paranormal scenario can be
>accomplished by ordinary means:
>
>2) The Skeptics will believe and the Believers will be Skeptical.





Well Struck, Keith!



Rick


-- 
Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.
kuryakin@bcstec.boeing.com       |           
AppleLink:  kuryakin             | It wastes your time           
r.pavek1@GENIE                   |          and annoys the droid.  
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau)
Subject: Re: Whitley Strieber
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 21:45:59 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <Bt5343.712@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>In article <n06m5h_.jeffp@netcom.com> jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) writes:
>>Most abductees never talk about their experiences because people like you
>>call those experiences "obviously false" just because they took a ride
>>in the saucer, or claimed benevolent messages. Of the hundreds of known
>>cases, contactees generally have similar experiences, and this can be 
>>correlated to abductees, whom generally have similar experiences as well.
>>
>
>  Talk is cheap (except on Usenet, Compuserve, etc).   But there are a
>  LOT more people who have claimed personal contact with God, or other
>  dieties and a LOT more books articles, and other written accounts
>  of such contact than there are of contacts with "aliens".  Yet I still
>  don't believe the former, so why should I believe the latter?   The
>  bottom line in both cases: EVIDENCE.
>
>
>---peter
>
  i gues the above attitudes of PLU's are why one of my favorite quotes is
by an MD and Surgon, Dr. Greer, who is also the founder of CSETI:
(paraphrased a little)

"I deal with science everyday, life and death stuff. And I'm here to tell you
UFO's and extraterrestrials are real; and just because Jon Q. Scientist says
there not only means he's a SPIRITUAL CRETIN."

Jeff-

>
From: thompson@cis.rand.org (Pamela Thompson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze Six In The News Again
Summary: Millenial Fever
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:57:59 GMT
Expires: 30 Aug 92 07:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: thompson@cis.rand.org (Pamela Thompson)
Distribution: na
Organization: RAND, Santa Monica CA


If anyone would like a different perspective on the "End of Times" fever, I
suggest they read IN PURSUIT OF THE MILLENIUM by M. (Marvin?) Cohn.  This
is a very scholarly work which traces the various millenial or end-of-times
movements from the 1st century to the 20th.  It IS scholarly and a bit of a
slog, but I, for one, will never view millenialism in the same way after
reading this work.

No flames, please.  I'm just trying to pass on some information.
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 15 Aug 92 09:54:20 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes:

>kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes:

>>Rick (Slater):

>>I'm still waiting for your proof that humans created all the 
>>crop circles with 2x4s...

>>In fact, could you prove that humans created ANY of them?  Now guys,
>>let's have him figure out this one by himself...

>>Prove to me that any of the crop circles were created by humans.

That is easy.  Now, how about proving to us that any of the circles were
made by aliens.  That should be simple enough.  Remember, you only have to 
show that ONE circle was created by aliens...

>Crop circles are created by alien spaceships...Not little old men carrying
>big sticks...Anyone who believes anything else is a nitwit and a fool...
>Linda Moulton Howe ran the designs through the computer of the guy who
>figured out Stonehenge, and they discovered mathematical equations, some
>of which we don't have...But I suppose those two dweebs know higher math,
>right??  SURE!!!

Which equations were those (that we didn't have)?

And who says that you need to know math in order to make crop circles?

keith
From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Those Breakdancing Rocks.
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:05:00 GMT
Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <64164@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes...
>Dear Rock Hounds: Sticks and stones may bread my bones but those rocks
>keep on hunchings. It have not observed the movements of rocks personally.
>I have heard of people communicating with rocks. I personally prefer
>dogs or trees.
>John Winston.
======================================================================
What do you have when a rock takes a dump? Gravel???
======================================================================
   We are rapidly ascending through prosperity to poverty...  Twain
                    Internet:    jim@apsicc.aps.edu
       Albuquerque Public Schools - Instructional System Manager 
======================================================================
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: PROJECT BLUE BOOK IN ASCII FORMAT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 11:52:22 GMT

Elite Enterprises <elite@igc.apc.org> writes:

>re: MICRO-FICHE CONVERSION TO ASCII FILE FORMAT (f i n a l l y!!!!!)

[advertisement deleted]

Isn't this stuff public domain?

If so, what would stop one person from subscribing to your service and then
uploading it to an ftp site for all to enjoy?

keith
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:34:26 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Aug11.152555.10275@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> stepiend@rcwcl1.dnet.bp.com writes:
>
>Crop circles have been found in fields of rape flowers in England.

Citations, please.

Or the address for the newsletters... (yes, again if it's been posted).
And ftp site for info on circles would be peachy.  And an address for
the admin of a mail.list.

Thanks, Rick


-- 
Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.
kuryakin@bcstec.boeing.com       |           
AppleLink:  kuryakin             | It wastes your time           
r.pavek1@GENIE                   |          and annoys the droid.  
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Re: Public Opinion Poll.
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:40:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug09.012906.15149@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
>In article <1992Aug7.205502.18395@m.cs.uiuc.edu> mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>>
>>I never answer surveys unless I am fully informed as to who is collecting
>>it and why.
>>
>
>Given that some people are nervous about being polled, we are
>already gauranteed the outcome won't reflect public opinion because
>the poll won't contain a random sample of people.
>
>

Well, unfortunately, this is true. The sample of people that will be 
participating in this poll will not be a random sample. 

BTW, responses to the public opinion poll have slowed to 2 or 3 a day. I will
be publishing the results in about another 3 or 4 days (Monday?). I have
been informed by several observant individuals that my questions were
incorrectly asked. So, don't rely too heavily on the outcome of this poll
to change your opinion of the public opinion. I will be doing another poll
sometime in the future to correct this error. Thanx to everyone that gave me
responses, whether just poll responses or other. Special thanx to the guy
that said "I don't like your questions" and for the special "tutorial"
he left for me. I WILL do better next time. 


Gregg.




Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.guns
From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Guns and Skeptics
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:01:44 GMT

In article <BsGCJq.CwB@newcastle.ac.uk> w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk writes:
>Are you claiming the robbery rate would be just as high if people
>had to use knives.

To the extent that crooks prefer their current income level, there
would be more robbery.  With-gun crime is more economically valueable;
a with-gun thug can go after more protected and richer targets.

On a dollar basis, with-gun crime is associated with FEWER deaths
than with-knife crime.

>Yes but a criminal would be more likely to rob if they have a gun 
>rather than a knife or a stick (IMHO).

Unless you're a with-gun robber, your opinion isn't interesting.
You don't rob anyway, so you can't comment on what you'd rather
rob with.

>Are you claiming that if the UK was to allow everyone to own guns
>that crime would not increase as a result of this,   as criminals
>used guns to commit more robberies etc.

Since the UK's gun control was not associated with a decrease in
crime or murder, it is somewhat unreasonable to claim that gun control
is responsible for the low rate, a low rate that predates gun control.

If anything, the UK's experiment with gun control demonstrates the
failures of gun control.  All costs, and no benefits.  That's bad
social policy.

-andy
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: kring@efes.physik.uni-kl.de (Thomas Kettenring)
Subject: Re: THE NATURE OF REALITY
Organization: FB Physik, Universitaet Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:06:07 GMT

In article <y40mqt_.jeffp@netcom.com>, jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) writes:
>In article <Bt70uB.C5p@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>srnwhite@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Shannon White) writes:
>>This business about the cattle mutilations has gone far enough.  I am a farmer
>
>	Simple minds are predisposed to simple answers.

This is oversimplified >:->

You think all farmers have simple minds?
You think every true answer has to be complex?
You think everyone who has a simple answer has a simple mind?
You think everyone who has a complex answer is a genius?

No, probably not.  You only wanted to use an ad hominem attack.

-- 
--------------thomas kettenring, 2 dan, kaiserslautern, germany---------------
Definition:  Idiot-proof  -  you are idiot-proof when you NEVER flame anybody.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau)
Subject: Re: Mysterious Happening
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 00:50:43 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: military helicopters lights

In article <1992Aug21.212642.10932@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> arpowell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Aimee Powell) writes:
>
>I have read many books on the subject, all of which were written by
>"researchers" like Hopkins.  And I have actually spoken to Hopkins
>on this subject.  How 'bout you?

	Oh, you have actually spoken to one of many researchers whose
work you dismiss out of hand... Was it edifying? I can't imagin you gave
the poor man much of a chance.  
>
>The psychologist from Harvard is investigating this phenomenon as
>just exactly that, and to my knowledge has not taken the position
>that the people he has interviewed are being abducted.  

iEEEERRRRRTTTTTT! Sorry! But please accept our consolation prize!

The tech-
>niques used by those proponents of the abduction theory have been
>called into question by many reputable sources.

Only those that are predisposed to their comfortable reality and search for
any avenue by which to derail the conversation...

>
>Finally, I think that "thousand" is an overstatement.  Even Hopkins
>only puts the numbers of "confirmed abductees" in the low hundreds.
>And the evidence is far from overwhelmingly conclusive even from those
>few people.  In fact, many of them don't believe that they have been
>abducted at all.


>
>How much reading on the other side have you done?  Are you as well in-
>formed as you would have us think initially?  Or are you calling me un-
>informed simply because we don't share the same opinion of all this?
>p
>I would hope not.
>
>Aimee

Well, once again, myrads of uniformed opinions. If you look into Mack, you'll
find he sponsered a Roper poll that found that over 3 million americans my have
been abducted... and if you read "Secret Life:
You'll find that Dr. Macks forward in that book does not reflect your above synopsis
in the least. So read the DAMN BOOK! It's the current definitive work on the
subject. And it's far more scholarly that anything currently written, and basically
supports all of Hopkins work, more or less.

I wish I had someone to converse with who would read this thing so I could 
have an INTERESTING conversation around here.
Jeff -

Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:5646 alt.conspiracy:9973 alt.activism:14748 sci.skeptic:14278 misc.headlines:5580 alt.politics.bush:1398
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: guns and criminals
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:15:04 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


exukjb@exu.ericsson.se (ken bell) writes:

>I think we need an alt.right.on.target room to discuss gun control *BTW).

What's wrong with talk.poiltics.guns?
-- 
    Brice Dowaliby         |    I don't speak for them. 
(bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu)  |    They don't speak for me.
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 20:04:50 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA
Keywords: aliens, invasion, stollman

In article <nh8mzsr.garys@netcom.com> garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes:

>Thanks for the suggestion...If I hadn't discovered Tallahassee, I probably
>would take it...But I live in what is the most wonderful place in the
>country, a place that took me seven long years and much traveling all over
>the country to find...I AIN'T giving it up cause a bunch of cowardly
>Reagan's and Bush's decided to try to ruin my life and violate my
>rights...I am gonna show them what it means to fuck with MY family!!!

That's what Mutlu used to say <heh heh> and look at him now....

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From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:57:47 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Gary, you might find school life a bit easier if you managed to go to the right
classes....


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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Re: K-2 Radio Transmission
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:48:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.211855.323@ttinews.tti.com> usenet@ttinews.tti.com (Usenet Admin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug7.141449.25127@acd4.acd.com> gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown) writes:
>>(click,click,click,click,click,click,thum-thump) at 1 cps for approx 12 min.
>>click/thump fades to:
>>(wwwwwoooooooowwwwwwwwwoooooooowwwwwwww) at about 1 cps
>>with a 
>>...oooooowwwwwwtinklewwwwwooooo...     about every 6 seconds (varies)

[the rest of this eloquent description deleted] :)


>>Anyone else heard this tape? Help me be more accurate in my descriptions 
>
> Where would we get a copy of this tape? 

Advent Publishing Company
Distribution Center
PO Box 3748
Carson City, NV  89702-3748

$5.00 cash, check or money order.

>Better yet: What frequency was the 
>sound recorded from?? MHz, KHz?? What time of the day? Where was this done?
>And with what equipment? Did you try SSB? FM? Any filters used? Let's get VERY
>specific about the source of the sound. I have a nicely equipped synthesizer
>studio and could most likely duplicate the sounds *exactly*. Hence it might
>be useful to be able to listen to the frequency, perhaps even use some DF
>techniques to determine the source of the sounds, etc. A radio-savy prankster
>could easily have been transmitting the stuff using a modern hf tranceiver,
>with full coverage from 100KHz to 30MHz and to the untrained it would seem 
>quite mysterious.

Frequency was 16.222 Mhz. They were using a Realistic (Rat Shack) DX400
receiver on AM only. They used a Sansui SC1110 Stereo Cassette Recorder.
Time of day was 0200 PDT. 

The transmission sounds to me like a "well equiped synthesizer". Contact
me via e-mail if you want a few cuts for analysis.

>-Avatar-> (aka: Erik K. Sorgatz) KB6LUY           +-------------------------+
>Citicorp(+)TTI                          *----------> panic trap; type = N+1 *
>3100 Ocean Park Blvd. Santa Monica, CA  90405     +-------------------------+
>{rutgers}!ttidca!sorgatz <- until 8/15/92 after-> (sorgatz@soldev.TTI.COM)

Gregg.

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: rutkows@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Chris Rutkowski)
Subject: Re: Sighting in New Brunswick, Canada
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:28:48 GMT

In <1992Aug12.184845.6939@ac.dal.ca> skibbens@ac.dal.ca writes:

>Did anyone else hear about a sighting in rural New Brunswick,
>Canada, around the end of July?  I heard about it from two
>friends when I was up visiting during the first week of August.
>They say that a large number of people around Woodstock, NB, 
>reporting sighting one large blob of light, followed by two
>smaller blobs.  A friend at CBC Newsworld says that they 
>showed a home-video of this sighting on national TV.  Although
>neither of these two saw it themself, they said that someone
>I do know saw the lights.  I'm planning to check with him when
>I get back up there around the end of the month.

>If anyone has more info about this, or knows of anyone else up
>there to talk to, please let me know.

I e-mailed you Stanton Friedman's phone number, but I thought I'd post
a general note to the NET as well.

For gosh sakes, PLEASE REPORT ALL UFO SIGHTINGS to local or national
UFO groups.  In Canada, UFOROM compiles an annual report on UFO
sightings, and statistically analyses the data.  Researchers across
Canada contribute data to the UFOROM database, but you need to send
your reports to someone so the cases can be studied!

In the USA, go ahead and report your sightings to MUFON or whatever
group you want.  Paul Ferrughelli produces a similar review of American
UFO cases, and gets some data from MUFON.

In other countries, try GEPAN, SOBEPS, BUFORA, NUFON, or whoever.  But
report the sightings to someone!  Statistically, even UFOs that turn
out to be IFOs are useful as data.

Thx!
-- 
Chris Rutkowski - rutkows@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Royal Astronomical Society of Canada
University of Manitoba - Winnipeg, Canada
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: schiffd@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (David M. Schiff)
Subject: Re: Ride on John's Back, Please! (Was: Re: Get Off John's Ba
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:17:12 GMT

In article <63840@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Potential Rock Star Owners: The way Dr. Demonde proved that the 
>rocks were moving was to put a time lapse camers on them and it was 
>found that the rocks move very slowly (the fastest moved 7 inches 
>in 14 weeks time) a sort of expanding and contracting motion as it 
>hunched its way across the table. More to come later.
>John Winston.

Are the rocks "Morphodites"?