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Organization: Universite Catholique de Louvain
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:54:31 CET
From:         "Alain FONTAINE (Post master - UCL)" <fontaine@SRI.UCL.AC.BE>
Subject:      Long lines...

To begin the year with fanfare, I just installed 2.10, which is supposed
to allow long lines using NETDATA. I did not yet succeed at making it deliver
locally a single mail in NETDATA format, despite the fact that I did
set the corresponding variable to TRUE. Here is an extract of what MAILER
says when starting:

101/05/93 14:52:31  MAISTI075I ALLOW-GENERIC-OWNERS = 'False'
 01/05/93 14:52:31  MAISTI075I ALLOW-LOCAL-NETDATA = 'True'
 01/05/93 14:52:31  MAISTI075I ALLOW-UNKNOWN-NODES = 'True'

Is there something else to do ????

Another problem arises when using forwarding (either the old RSMAIL, or
the new FWDBSMTP which, by the way, is not covered in the manual (is it
type 2 or type 3 ??)). The long lines are truncated, and a message is
printed at the console telling obscene things about their presence.
Since forwarding is MAILER sending something to itself, I would have
expected it to know that the destination (itself !) is capable of handling
long lines. Or are there some undocumented 'RSMAILN'/'FWDBSMTPN' (ouch,
too long a name) exits to handle this gracefully 8-) ? Or am I again
divagating ?
                                                                /AF
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:12:23 CET
From:         "Alain FONTAINE (Post master - UCL)" <FNTA80@BUCLLN11.BITNET>
Subject:      List test (sorry)

I did not receive anything from this list since... august 91. Is it still
active ? LISTSERV@DEARN does list me. Is anyone receiving this ?    /AF
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Organization: East Tennessee State University
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:36:06 EST
From:         Bill Williams <CMS2@ETSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: BSMTP errors in 2.10 in ESA

On Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:23:01 EST Ginny Fiero, Systems Programmer, NYS Education D
>I tried to upgrade our Mailer to 2.10 but got an internal error in BSMTP that
>I don't understand or know how to fix. ...
... stuff deleted...
> ...                                                  A hint is that this
>error comes up sending mail to or from a secondary node in our network, which
>needs the percent sign kludge.

If I'm guessing correctly, it is happening to *all* outgoing mail.  *IF*
it is the problem that I know how to fix!  :-)

>Mailer's console listing follows:
...stuff deleted...
> MAILER
>12/31/92 11:43:08  MAISMT054I BSMTP request transaction start.
>12/31/92 11:43:08  MAISMT043I 0001 recipient blocks.
>12/31/92 11:43:08  MAIBSM026U Internal error in BSMTP
>12/31/92 11:43:08  MAISLS013W Distrib exit 'BSMTP   ' RC=0004
Ahhh... there's the thing I'm basing my fix-guess upon...

This is a bug that John Wagner is working on; however, there is a very
simple work around:  Define the Local-Host1 variable in your MTPLATE
file to some value.  This assumes that it is currently undefined which
means that you are  not currently using a domain style setup, in which
case your "correct" Local-Host1=yournodeid.BITNET.
For example I might have used:  Local-Host1=ETSU.BITNET
It doesn't really matter *what* as long as it is defined to some value,
but I assume that you want to be in the consistency game.  :-)

This will probably produce some warnings about the Local-Host not being
in the other tables (INCOMING, OUTGOING, whatever) and you can ignore
them.  (Forgive me for not being exact about this but I'm working from
memory on where the warnings are going to mention.  You'll know them
when you see them so don't be alarmed.)

 ---------------------------------------
   Bill Williams -- ETSU Systems Support
    East
    Tennessee             (615) 929-6853
    State
    University        <CMS2@ETSU.BITNET>
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Date: 6 Jan 93 12:17:06 GMT
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On Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:12:23 CET Alain FONTAINE (Post master - UCL) said:
>I did not receive anything from this list since... august 91. Is it still
>active ? LISTSERV@DEARN does list me. Is anyone receiving this ?    /AF
Yes, I do.

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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:46:58 EST
From:         Andy Hooper <HOOPER@QUCDN.QUEENSU.CA>
Subject:      Re: NETDATA coding/decoding.
              12 Jan 1993 09:13:30 CET from <fontaine@SRI.UCL.AC.BE>

On Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:13:30 CET Alain FONTAINE (Post master - UCL) said:
>Now that I have installed 2.10 (which still refuses to deliver locally in
>NETDATA or to send me copies of returned mail, but then it seems that there
...
>mail ? (BTW: NETDATA generated by MAILER breaks both LOOK and XR..). Any
>other ideas ? Thanks.                                           /AF

There are at least three bugs in Mailer 2.10 NETDATA code. LOCAL uses the
decides to deliver in NETDATA if MAXLRECL is greater than 80, but MAXLRECL
is never set to anything but 0 so you never get NETDATA delivery. The INMR03
record is short one byte in the DSORG field (XL1'4000' should be XL2'4000'
in PUNCH). There's something wrong with record segmenting in PUNCH too, but
I haven't figured out just what yet. If you send MAILER a BSMTP file with a
wide record, say 300 bytes, to a BSMTPN destination, it creates a NETDATA
file with a bad segment length. IBM's SMTP in some cases gets an error
reading these, but it can also think it has a "disk full" situation and
put the file on hold.

Andy Hooper
From: schafer@is.rice.edu (Richard Alan Schafer)
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Subject: Re:      NETDATA coding/decoding.
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:31:13 GMT
Organization: Rice University

Alain, here's what RiceMail will be doing (actually, is right now, in my
test version): open up an XEDIT file, then use DMSDDL RECEIVE (XEDIT to
load the file into memory.  You can then manipulate it, and use
DMSDDL SEND fn ft fm TO user AT node (XEDIT to send a copy elsewhere.  If
you know you're only working in an ESA environment, you can use NETDATA
instead of DMSDDL, since IBM renamed it leaving the old name around for
compatibility reasons.  You will probably want to do a DMSDDL QUERY to
find out how wide the file is before creating the XEDIT file, using the
WIDTH parameter to XEDIT when opening the in-memory file.

All that avoids ever actually putting the file onto disk.
-- 
Richard
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:32:48 PST
From:         "Russell N. Hathhorn, VM Systems Support" <SYSMAINT@PCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: mail delivery error

I just installed 2.10 and had to take it off line almost immediately
as I was getting the error below----

OK gurus - what's wrong now.  I just retrieved the programs from PUCC
today so I assume it is the current version.  Also BITEARN VMNETMLR
was extracted from PUCC.  I don't know how much mail was 'trashed'
before I could shift back to rel 2.08.


>Batch SMTP transaction log follows:
>
>220 PCCVM.BITNET Columbia MAILER R2.10 ptf000 BSMTP service ready.
>050 HELO PCCVM.BITNET
>250 PCCVM.BITNET Hello PCCVM.BITNET
>050 MAIL FROM:<LISTSERV@PCCVM.BITNET>
>250 <LISTSERV@PCCVM.BITNET>... sender OK.
>050 RCPT TO:<OLSONM@COLUMBIA.DSU.EDU>
>250 <OLSONM@COLUMBIA.DSU.EDU>... recipient OK.
>050 DATA
>354 Start mail input.  End with <crlf>.<crlf>
>554-Mail not delivered to some or all recipients:
>554 Internal error in BSMTP

--->  Same error with BSMTPN   <----   (my note)

>050 QUIT
>221 PCCVM.BITNET Columbia MAILER BSMTP service done.
>
>Original message follows:
>
>Received: from PCCVM.BITNET by PCCVM.BITNET (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id
> 8907; Mon, 11 Jan 93 14:03:56 PST
>Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:03:56 -0800
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>Subject:      Message
>To:           Michelle Olson <OLSONM@COLUMBIA.DSU.EDU>
>
>Your distribution options for list STREK-L have been successfully updated.

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Date:         Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:15:19 IST
From:         Hank Nussbacher <HANK@VM.TAU.AC.IL>
Subject:      Lmail at PUCC?

>Received: from FRMOP11.CNUSC.FR (NJE origin MAILER@FRMOP11) by
> PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU (LMail V1.1a/1.7e) with BSMTP id 0731; Sat, 9 Jan 1993
> 13:09:27 -0500

Uh, anyone care to explain Lmail running on PUCC??? :-)

Hank
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 11:01:23 CET
From:         "Alain FONTAINE (Post master - UCL)" <fontaine@SRI.UCL.AC.BE>
Subject:      List blues..

I want to thank all the people who responded to my 'test'. Some of them
suggested that some of my options could be in a bad state. Well, I did
check this before, and everything was just fine. So it looks like a very
strange case of selective black-holing (I do receive postings from other
lists hosted at dearn without trouble). Well all know that this is supposed
to be a rational and causal world, so there is certainly a good explanation,
but I fail to grasp it right now... Thank you again for your help and/or
patience.                                                /AF

P.S. I did resubscribe under my Internet address. Let's see....
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:13:30 CET
From:         "Alain FONTAINE (Post master - UCL)" <fontaine@SRI.UCL.AC.BE>
Subject:      NETDATA coding/decoding.

Now that I have installed 2.10 (which still refuses to deliver locally in
NETDATA or to send me copies of returned mail, but then it seems that there
is no answer to those), I would like to upgrade some other, home made, mail
handling software. Upgrading here means 'make able to encode/decode NETDATA,
or at least the subset of NETDATA actually used by MAILER/SMTP.

Given the fact that PIPEs is not an option here, what can I do ? I can of
course use RECEIVE to put each mail on disk, produce a processed version
on disk, and then use SENDFILE to let it go. Seems a little bit on the
I/O intensive side. It would be best to decode/encode on the fly. Are there
some existing utilities to do this, for example to/from Rexx? Is there some
documentation describing the subset of NETDATA actually used when handling
mail ? (BTW: NETDATA generated by MAILER breaks both LOOK and XR..). Any
other ideas ? Thanks.                                           /AF
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SUB UIGIS-L ANDY MEEHAN
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From:         "Mark J. Bailey" <csmjb@KNUTH.MTSU.EDU>
Subject:      Survey; Info Needed .... Who is doing GIS and Objected-Oriented
              Databas (fwd)

> Summary: Thesis writer's mind wants/needs to know!  :-)
> Keywords: OODB OODBMS DBMS GIS GRASS ONTOS C++ POSTGRES

Hello,

I am in the process of writing my master's thesis to complete my degree
requirements so that I may (finally) graduate shortly thereafter.  I am
posting here hoping that some of you might help me in determining just
how I will approach this task.

I have chosen object-oriented/semantic database technology for my thesis
emphasis.  In addition, I have targeted the use of this technology in the
well suited (IMHO) field of geographic information systems / image processing /
remote sensing.  I feel the object-oriented paradigm's modelling mechanism
applies quite nicely to the issues and concerns of modelling a GIS system.
Likewise, this has been referred to somewhat (not much) in the literature.
But I have much more ground to cover.  My project goal is to wed the
Geographical Resources Analysis Support System (GRASS) from the good people
at the U.S. Army Construction Engineering Research Laboratory (and many,
many others) with Ontologic's ONTOS Object-Oriented Database Management
System (a successor to VBASE).  ONTOS is a C++ based OODBMS but GRASS's
"modular" (ie, separate executable) design (in the UNIX tradition) should
allow for an interesting blend of C and C++ derived executables.  At least,
I hope it works out that way!  :-)

At any length, I am in need of surveying the readers of these groups to
try and locate (to as large a degree as possible) knowledge of other projects
either planned, underway, or completed, that also address the issue(s)
of GIS and OODB.  I remember getting word from someone a while back that
there was one group working on a mix of GRASS and POSTGRES (another
OODB system).  I am not aware of other applications of ONTOS and GIS
(esp. ONTOS and GRASS).  If you know of anything along these lines, I would
*very* much like to hear from you (private email reply preferred).
References to projects, people, and even the literature itself would be
greatly appreciated!  If anyone reading this is already working on ONTOS
and GIS (esp. GRASS) I would like to learn more about the approach(es) you
are taking in particular so as to adjust my approach appropriately.

Well, I have taken up enough of your time.  Any help would be so much
appreciated.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Mark Bailey
csmjb@knuth.mtsu.edu

P.S.  I welcome any and all feedback (for and against) on this topic too!
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 93 11:57:08 EST
From:         Moshe Taube <MAXUS@HARVARDA.BITNET>
Subject:      HP II
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 I tried today, for the first time, to print a  nb4/lingua file on a HPII
laserjet printer at the Harvard computer lab. Instead of cyrillic I got
mathematical symbols or the like. I think I installed and activated the right
driver. What`s wrong?  Help!!!
                              Moshe Taube
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From:         VANDIJK@ALF.LET.UVA.NL
Subject:      Re: NBCUSTOM.SET revealed (again)
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Thanks for ALL attempts to decode NBCUSTOM.SET and write it up so that
it becomes comprehensible. I take it that if rewritten as Dorothy Day
did --viz., in sections with headers, etc., the automatic change of
NBCUSTOM.SET through the menu won't work anymore, or will the menu
accept a completely different order and configuration (e.g. when
changing settings) in NBCUSTOM.SET, for instance by finding the
relevant two-or (now) four lettercode in NBCUSTOM.SET independent
of its position in that file, which would be great. However, I would
not mind not customizing through the menu, and do it "by hand" directly
in NBCUSTOM.SET as we did for NB3.

Teun A. van Dijk
University of Amsterdam
Program of Discourse Studies
210 Spuistraat
1012 VT Amsterdam, the Netherlands.
Phone: +31-20-525.3834 (office)
Phone: +31-20-6.27.37.47 (home --after 14 hrs)
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 93 12:43:00 GMT
From:         JAE2@VAXB.YORK.AC.UK
Subject:      Lists of lists
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Dear Colleagues,

Some while ago someone sent for The List of Lists, and they all
came to this list.  I haven't got them now.

Can someone remind me where to get it (them) from?

Thanks

Judy Evans
jae2@uk.ac.york
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 93 22:09:07 IST
From:         Robert D Hoberman <RHOBERMAN@SBCCMAIL.BITNET>
Subject:      Text width; failure to print
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               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-3355

                                            Robert Hoberman
                                            Comparative Studies Dept.
                                            516-632-7462, -7460
                                            06-Jan-1993 02:57pm EST
FROM:  RHOBERMAN
TO:    Remote Addressee                     ( _notabene@taunivm.bitnet )

SUBJECT: Text width; failure to print

(1) Yesterday suddenly NB4 stopped text-wrapping at the correct place, both on
screen and in printing.  Lines wrapped at about 19 inches in one file, 21
inches in another, regardless of the various TW deltas I put in to try to
correct the problem.  This happened again today.  Then, just as suddenly and
inexplicably, the problem cured itself, with both the default margins and TW
deltas working correctly.  Just in case this should happen again, does anyone
know why it does or how to cure it?  Will a placebo work as well as an
antibiotic?

(2) Occasionally the @#^%!&*$ thing refuses to print.  (This is on a Toshiba
341SL that has never given trouble before.)  Makes no difference whether I try
from the action line or from the menu.  Quitting and rebooting fixes this, but
is there a quicker way?  I seem to remember someone mentioning this problem on
the List, but don't remember the answer.

Bob
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:06:33 GMT
From:         M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK
Subject:      Assignment of pgms to keys; dictionaries - memory usage and
              loading.
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Can someone make a firm statement on this point, for it may be just as
well to get it into the record.

NB3's keyboard drivers made it clear what the laptop assignments were,
and so if not needed they could be used for one's own favoured
utilities. These were in the Ctrl keyboard state.

The keyboard driver for NB4 does not mark the Ctrl state thusly. So I
ask: what keyboard state can we fiddle with? I note that a number of
keys in the Ctrl state are marked ";;" and thus they are silent; can
we use them safely, or are they part of the Great Dragonfly's grand
masterplan for when the bug-fixes+upgrades are released?

I would greatly prefer to run pgms from assigned keys rather than as
loaded phrases due to the memory implications, but before rolling up
my sleeves and getting keyboard grease on my hands I'd like to get
this cleared up.

Which takes me to my second point. Is it possible to load dictionaries
high? Can they go into expanded memory to any advantage? I know this
point was discussed by Paul Bodin and Tony Woosley in the context of
NB3(.1), but I don't think anyone made a definitive statement in
regard to NB4's use of non-conventional memory - which gets summat
crowded.

Finally, I have cobbled together a short, cheap, and crude no great
shakes pgm which seems to work: it will take the user dictionary's and
phrase-library's name from the active file (just changing the
extensions from whatever to .spl and .lib) and load these; the
dictionary loading feature has, as we know, a bug in that the rule
that the first one loaded gets the new words added, is not true when
the menu is used; one has to do this from the command line.  So to
make it easier I wrote a short routine to do it.  It is this, in fact,
that I want to add to a key in the keyboard driver, and which has
crystallised the above question. I don't think that my pgm is worth
archiving as it is - one hopes - ephemeral; but for the moment if
anyone wants it please drop me a message.
 ---------------
Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
Phone: (+44) (0) 392 263 161
Postal Address: Amory Building, Rennes Drive, Exeter EX4 4RJ, Devon, U.K.

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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 93 09:07:13 IST
From:         "J-P Takala, University of Helsinki,
              Sociology" <JTAKALA@FINUHA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Display Off
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I find some differences in how DX and DO (Display Off, On) work in NB4,
compared with 3.x.  DX/DO work most of the time but not always
as expected.  If DX does not work, you might try the pair
NB vx (display off) NB vo (on) where NB is a command code entered
just like DO and vx/vo are reguralr characters.  I don't
guarantee this solves your problem (I couldn't turn off all
display that I wanted even with NB vx).

This code isn't explained in any of the NB manuals I've got
(since 3.0). I found an explanation in one (actually several)
of the sample xpl programs included in one of the
SIMTEL/TAUNIVM Nota Bene archives. The file I first found an
explanation was COMPARE.XPL. I cannot check it now, but I think
it was in NB-XPL01.ZIP, and written by Tony Woozley, but may have been by
another.

This piece of code is included also in PGM.SPL, "suggested by
Herbert Tyson", in the same (?) archive.  Trying out this
PGM.SPL, I found that the auto replacement function freezes not
only when the string is long (>39 or >42 chars) or contains a
CR--problems that have been established--but also when there
are some other program codes in the string.

j-p takala
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