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From: jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith)
Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.cd-rom
Subject: alt.cd-rom -> comp.periphs.cd-rom ?
Summary: Will alt.cd-rom become a comp group?
Date: 28 Jan 93 07:52:46 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: BT Tymnet, San Jose, CA

Has there been any discussion on creating a comp.* newsgroup to
supercede alt.cd-rom?  Since comp.periphs.printers and comp.periphs.scsi
exist, I think that comp.periphs.cd-rom would be suitable.
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From: bryanh@stout.gvg.tek.com (Bryan Hilterbrand)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: PowerBook Newsgroup
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:53:21 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

I also support the creation of a Macintosh PowerBook newsgroup...

Bryan


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Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.arts.startrek.current
From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Re: r.a.s.c Split - survey
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:53:52 GMT

crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow) writes:
:)In <1993Jan23.051245.8211@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood) writes:
:)>CREATE -- rec.arts.startrek.characters

:)>.characters is for questions about characters (which comprises
:)>at least 40% of .current traffic). Things like 'Troi and that
:)>purple suit' and 'Picard a borg?' go there. There would be
:)>little crossposting between it and other groups (perhaps the
:)>occasional 'Picard on DSN' post). I believe that novices could
:)>realize that character questions go into the characters group.

:)Now that's the best split idea that I've heard in a long time.  Now we
:)can have a newsgroup where we can discuss O'Brien's rank, Troi's
:)anatomy, and other such stuff.  And I don't have to subscribe!  :-)

Is it just me, or does "rec.arts.startrek.misc" already exist for this
purpose?

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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.nt
Reply-To: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Organization: SCI Systems, Inc., Huntsville, Al.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:18:11 GMT

In article <CKD.93Jan25105251@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
>GD> == George Dolbier <georged@sequent.com>

> GD> 	First problem: the name. comp.os.nt is short and to the point, 
> GD> but maybe too short.  comp.os.windows-nt is too long [...]

>By what measurement?

The string "windows-nt" is nine characters, and therefore won't fit into
a DOS directory name. However, the overwhelming majority of Usenet sites
use real operating systems, so this isn't a problem.

And comp.os.nt is a bad name because it's not clear. c.o.windows-nt is 
clear, and will work. (No idea about Windows NT itself....  :-) )


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From: rdc30@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (LCDR Michael E. Dobson)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.nt
Keywords: Microsoft Windows NT Win32
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:47:06 GMT
Organization: Naval Medical Research & Development Command

>In article <1jvvqbINNeqn@rodan.UU.NET> georged@sequent.com (George Dolbier) writes:
>PROBLEMS:
>---------
>	First problem: the name. comp.os.nt is short and to the point, 
>but maybe too short.  comp.os.windows-nt is too long, comp.os.windowsnt
>is too mushed, comp.os.ms-windows.nt IS NOT the correct location.
>
I beg to differ with that last statement.  Recent press releases by
Microsoft, reports at trade shows and in the trade rags(*) indicate that MS
Windows [tm] is becoming a family of OSs (or to be correct an OS and a
couple of cousins consisting of a GUI on an OS but I digress). At the top
end will be Windows NT which will be a true multi-tasking OS with no DOS
underpinnings.  In the middle will be a "Win32" that runs on top of a
32-bit DOS.  On the bottom will be Windows that runs on top of 16-bit DOS.
All three versions will have common APIs and be able to communicate with
each other in a Workgroups for Windows manner.

IMHO, comp.os.ms-windows.nt IS the correct location for the proposed new
group and has the advantage of being located with the other MS Windows
groups which share a lot with the new NT version(s).

Mike

(*) From an article by Stuart Johnston in InfoWorld, Vol 14, 28 Dec 1992 pg
17ff.

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From: genzuk@mizar.usc.edu (Michael Genzuk)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Rename comp.sys.mac.powerbook (proposed)!
Date: 27 Jan 1993 14:20:37 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

Geoff writes:

>Before a second RFD is issued I think the name issue should be settled
>once and for all. I propose the alternate name of comp.sys.mac.notebook.
>This would avoid the potential confusion of comp.sys.mac.portable and
>comp.sys.mac.laptop. It would address the concerns raised by several
>posters, myself included. And finally, it would maintain the general
>intent and style of the comp.sys.mac reorganization.

As a strong supporter of the comp.sys.mac.powerbook group idea, I have
no problem with Geoff's suggestion of re-thinking the name of the group.
If comp.sys.mac.notebook will satisfy everyone, or almost everyone, 
"let it be".  My concern, once again, is to have a place where folks
who have specific questions about powerbooks and other Mac portables
do not have to wade through the mountains of posts in other topics.
My concern is the final product, not the symantics.

Thanks to Geoff and others who share the common concern of a useful
place to share ideas and not get bogged down with un-related topics.

Let's keep up the dialog and hope that it will be accomplished soon.

Michael from USC
--

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choices one makes. ... The process never ends until we die.  And the 
choices we make are ultimately our responsibility.  -Eleanor Roosevelt


Newsgroups: news.groups
From: danwise@vrta.win.net (Dan Wisehart)
Subject: comp.binaries.ms-winodws
Reply-To: danwise@vrta.win.net (Dan Wisehart)
Organization: Computer Witchcraft, Inc., SF, CA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:53:18 GMT


   Can anyone tell me if this group exists?  The c.b.i.p moderator
    asked me to post a couple of programs there.  TIA  :-) 


   -- Dan Wisehart
    danwise@vrta.win.net
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Rename comp.sys.mac.powerbook (proposed)!
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:05:54 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.


I think enough people have supported the idea of changing the proposed
name of the RFD posted by Chris Chung to seriously consider changing that
name before a second RFD is issued.

comp.sys.mac.powerbook has a number of potential problems that I and
others have discussed in previous postings. Discussion in news.groups and
via email has indicated to me that a number of people consider the name
worth changing or have no objection to such a change as long as the work
to create a portable computing group in comp.sys.mac. continues.

Before a second RFD is issued I think the name issue should be settled
once and for all. I propose the alternate name of comp.sys.mac.notebook.
This would avoid the potential confusion of comp.sys.mac.portable and
comp.sys.mac.laptop. It would address the concerns raised by several
posters, myself included. And finally, it would maintain the general
intent and style of the comp.sys.mac reorganization.

If there is any disagreement over the ideal name a straw poll posted to
the same groups as the first RFD could be used to resolve the issue.

-Geoff
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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Proposed startrek split & the crossover issue
Date: 23 Jan 1993 01:56:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu
Keywords: crossovers, rebuttal

cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone) writes:
>In article <1jnqjfINNimq@lynx.unm.edu> kogoma@triton.unm.edu (Taki Kogoma) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan21.111734.19612@husc3.harvard.edu> cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone) writes:

>>I do not share your confidence in the 'common sense' of usenet
>>readership.  (I've been hanging out in news.groups too long. ;-)  I
>>can easily see somebody saying "Ah.  .ds9.  Well, this has something
>>to do with ds9..."

>Sure.  I don't claim there won't be mispostings and so on.  No reasonable
>person could.  I don't claim there won't be ambiguity sometimes, even
>for regular posters.   But I do think that there would be considerably
>*less* traffic and *less* ambiguity than there is now.  

"Less" traffic in what sense?  And as for ambiguity, I utterly disagree.  
What we have now is not ambiguity as to the definitions of the groups; it is
an influx of posts from people who don't *care* about the definitions of
the groups.  While flat-out mistakes such as these may lessen under your
proposal, I submit that ambiguous regions between the two groups will be
epic in extent.

The system we have now works so that experienced people know where every post
they make should go, and so that newbies have no idea.  Your plan would solve
that imbalance; it would make sure that *no one* was completely sure.  I 
prefer to have at least a few people clued in.

>Also, experienced
>posters, who would have a better idea of what's appropriate to post
>where, usually sort of lead discussions by putting in the first word.

"Experienced posters" also have posted the charters, FAQs, and netiquette 
posts on a repeated basis.  Note how much good it's done.

Tim Lynch
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.outdoors.orienteering
Reply-To: pt@compass.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:22:01 GMT

jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:

>I support rec.*.orienteering, but I feel the name should be
>rec.sport.orienteering.  Orienteering is a sport.

So is fishing (well, sort of), and yet it's in this rec.outdoors heirarchy.
I don't know why rec.outdoors was created, but it appears that it's designed
for outdoor activities that straddle the line between sports and recreation.

Orienteering is also a recreation.  Then again, I think of it as a sport.
(Pardon me it this has already been hashed - my news feed has been about 5
days slow for the past week)

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From: koreth@spud.Hyperion.COM (Steven Grimm)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.arts.startrek.reviews: proposed moderator, crossposting
Date: 27 Jan 1993 18:15:28 -0800
Organization: Hyperion, Mountain View, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: spud.hyperion.com

In <1k75s2INN513@spud.Hyperion.COM> I write:
>So, who wants to be the vote-taker?  (We're not quite there yet, but it's
>getting close, I think.)

David Rostker at Princeton has volunteered to collect the votes and has set
up the proper mail aliases.

-Steve
From: rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: New RFD: Bible Study Newsgroup
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:37:25 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <C16KBp.45H@athena.cs.uga.edu>, brown@pollux (Daniel Brown) writes:
> 
> The group as proposed would not really belong in soc.* anyway.  A better name
> would be "talk.bible".

Why do you say this? The USENET convention is that moderated religious groups
belong to the soc.religion hierarchy and unmoderated groups belong to the
talk.religion groups. The group does really belong in soc.religion.*. 

AS far as the other objections based on the location under
soc.religion.christian; people are reading to much into the name. The name of
the newsgroup is designed for two things:

1) Enable a user to have some rough idea of what the subject matter is. In this
case, the proposed group is about the Christian bible so it makes since that
the name of the group is soc.religion.christian.bible-study. There is nothing
in the name that restricts it to Christians and the charter makes it clear that
non-Christian viewpoints are welcome. 

2) Allow the news administration to work. This tends to apply to sites which 
have a restricted feed. The idea is that if the proposed group is a subset of
an existing group, put it in that groups hierarchy so people who were getting
the old group will get the new group as well. 

I originally was not enthusiastic about the group feeling that it could be 
handled within the scope of the existing moderated group; The proponents have
done a good job of handling the discussion and overcoming valid objections to
the name and charter. I will vote for the group. (In fact, this entire RFD
should be used as an example of how to conduct a new group proposal)


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From: bangs@cs.utk.edu (Alex L. Bangs)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: rec.outdoors.scuba? No!
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:27:36 GMT
Organization: CS Department, University of Tennessee, Knoxville
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu

I vote against putting rec.scuba into the rec.outdoors.* grouping. I
think the camping/hiking/etc groups may belong there, but scuba is
a relatively unrelated activity.

Alex
From: kwun@css.itd.umich.edu (Michael Kwun)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: comp.sys.mac.powerbook
Date: 21 Jan 1993 06:15:20 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu

I'm also all for a comp.sys.mac.powerbook
I'd be behind a comp.sys.mac.duo as well.

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From: pky@fmg.bt.co.uk (Pete Young)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: RENAME several groups to rec.outdoors.*
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:05:37 GMT
Organization: British Telecom
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Tim Rigg (rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu) wrote:

: In addition, obvious outdoors.* groups should be moved to that
: hierarchy.  Specially, rec.hunting should be moved.  

Well, it's one thing for the rec.backcountry and rec.hunting groups to
put their own house in order, but I don't think major reconstruction of
these newsgroups is appropriate. In particular:

: rec.boats.paddle 

I'm a lurker in rec.boats.paddle these days, but I object strongly to
renaming the group on several grounds : 

* it's already difficult enough to guess what the purpose of the group is
  from the name without another layer of indirection

* Many aspects of rafting , canoeing and kayaking take place indoors
 (like construction, training, sports like canoe-polo etc)

: rec.scuba 

* The name of the newsgroup as it is perfectly describes the discussions
  that take place. (Although if anyone wants to create
  alt.personals.scuba I wouldn't disagree :-)

* Once again, training and other aspects of scuba take place indoors

* Much of the discussion is about things which relate more to physiology
  than `outdoors' 

I would prefer to see such a re-organisation limited to the groups
who've actually been talking about it. If that fails, I'd like to see an
individual vote on the re-naming of each of the groups in the list.

That way, I wouldn't be forced to vote against the wishes of people in,
for example, rec.backcountry, simply to avoid the (IMHO) pointless
re-naming of some of the groups that I enjoy.

Regards

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From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: proposed rec.arts.startrek split
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:05:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <C1EwCH.8AG@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU writes:
>In <TQ0WBYZ6@cc.swarthmore.edu> eoliver@ralph.cs.haverford.edu (Erik Oliver) writes:
>>Also, if we "force", or strongly suggest, that people use the
>>abbreviations: TNG, DSN/DS9, TOS and so forth in the subject line of
>>their postings, it will go a long way to making kill files easier.

Subject: line tags don't work. The closest they've gotten in a representative
mainstream group is on the order of 25%. (I'll explain why rec.arts.tv.soaps
is non-representative by email if anyone cares.) It's a neat idea, but doesn't
fit the net.

>I don't think kill files are even the reason for doing this. I know a
>number of people who browse through the larger newsgroups with newsreaders
>like nn. For them subject line tags aren't a kill file resource but an aid
>in reading subject lines quickly. Of course, clear, concise subject lines
>are always a plus.

True...but anyone who selects what articles to read on the basis of Subject:
lines is missing a lot of news he might be interested in. Topic drift is the
norm on the net, not the exception; there are even folks who complain that
changing Subject: lines to reflect what's really in the article is nothing
more than an attempt to evade others' kill files.

>It could. Responsible use of the "Newsgroups" and "Followup-To" lines
>would also be a big help. On some days 60% of the traffic in .current
>belongs somewhere else. Sometimes more.

The right solution is to get the folks to move the articles.
-- 
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jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
    "I don't want to read poor Microsoft bashing. I want to read good
Microsoft bashing." -- Douglas A. Bell, in comp.os.os2.advocacy (Me too!)
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: New RFD: Bible Study Newsgroup
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:15:27 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:

>Are topics such as currently might appear in soc.culture.jewish expected
>to move to this new group?  Or is the intention to be that a major focus will
>be on the 'New Testament' ?  Is the designation of 'Christian' in the
>doctrinal sense, the political sense, or in some other obscure sense?
Any topics relating to the Bible are welcome.  I do not feel that it will
be New Testament centered.  Personally, from a study perspective, I am more
interested in the OT than the NT at the moment.

>That is to say, is this the discussion of the interpretation of the
>various works in the frame work of the life styles of the disciples of 
>Christ?
No.  It is a discussion of all topics relating to the canonical Christian
Bible.  It is NOT limited in viewpoint by that.  Discussions of the deity
of Jesus, of the Trinity, of Jewish concepts of the Messsiah and whether or
not Jesus fits them, etc are welcome.

>Perhaps the way to go in selecting a group name is to define what you want
>to discuss via discussions and then call for submission of names based
>on the results of the discussion.  Finally, pick the least offensive 5
>names and have folk pick the name that they would prefer.

There really are only two logical choices, soc.religion.bible-study and
soc.religion.christian.bible-study.  Of the two, the second seems to me 
to be a better choice.  Straw polls and the like usually have a very small
response rate and will not accurately reflect attitudes...

 -Steve
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Xref: sparky news.groups:26488 soc.culture.usa:10235 alt.censorship:10139 alt.individualism:6293 alt.society.civil-liberty:7540 misc.headlines:7580
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: news.groups,soc.culture.usa,alt.censorship,alt.individualism,alt.society.civil-liberty,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: public appeal to John DiNardo to stop posting to soc.culture.usa
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:48:48 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Followup-To: alt.stupidity
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: bam@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Bruce A. Martin)

In article <1993Jan27.194420.24912@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, bam@bnlux1 (Bruce A. Martin) writes:
>At last, I have finally realized the truth:  

>	THERE IS NO SUCH PERSON AS "JOHN DiNARDO".

Curiously enough, when I sent complaints to him and his postmaster
at Virginia, I received replies from a different user.  After first
defending `his' posts, the second round complained bitterly that `he'
never posted them in the first place.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: damouth@wrc.xerox.com (David E. Damouth)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: RENAME several groups to rec.outdoors.
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:13:05 GMT
Reply-To: damouth@wrc.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Webster Research Center

Currently, rec.boats.paddle, rec.climbing, rec.climbing, and rec.windsurfing cover indoor as well as outdoor activities.  As far as I know, everyone who participates in the indoor events also participate in the outdoor versions.   I would object to creating an artificial division between the indoor and outdoor activities.  Leave the names the way they are.

---
/Dave
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From: judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Mike Judson)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Powerbook newsgroup
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:26:22 GMT
Reply-To: judson@watserv.ucr.edu

As an owner of a Powerbook 140, I would really appreciate a new group
devoted only to Powerbooks.  As a Macintosh is distinctly different
from an Apple, so to is a Powerbook distinctly different from a
Macintosh.  There is more than just one single Powerbook model.  Thus,
for those who think that there should be a separate group for IIfx,
or Quadra, or Classic, being sarcastic in the matter, realize that 
there is a much bigger difference from a Powerbook and a Quadra than
there is to a Quadra and a Classic.  Certainly a Quadra is much
different than a Classic, but neither of the two have LCD screens,
batteries, built in trackballs, sleep mode, portable capabilities,
and the list goes on.
There definately is a need for a separate Powerbook group.

--
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who makes people happy, but inside he's real sad.  Also, he has 
severe diarrhea.

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Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.games.board,rec.games.frp