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From: ottoh3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer #3)
Subject: Re: Series' beginnings
To: rec.arts.startrek.misc (rec.arts.startrek.misc)
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Jason Snell writes:

| kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:

| > intertxt@network.ucsd.edu (Jason Snell) writes:

| >Well, I gave it a "C" which is around midpoint in TNG quality (slightly
| >higher than midpoint, actually.)
| >
| >>"EaF" is a
| >>hideous episode. Worst acting I've ever seen in a TV series? Well, yeah, Don
| >>Rickles in "CPO Sharkey," but second up is Denise Crosby's "You've gone too
| >>far.." speech to Q in "EaF." 
| >
| >Crosby was awful, I agree, but that was about five lines worth. Most
| >of the regulars were acceptable. I didn't care for the guest stars though --
| >DeLancie camped up the Q role way too much for my taste (the way he mugs
| >when wearing that "drug-warrier" outfit on the bridge especially comes to
| >mind) and the guy who played Groppler Zorn overacted his role. 
| 
| I may go along with you on the Q part in this show. However, I (unlike you)
| enjoy Q, at least in "Deja Q" "Q Who" and, perhaps, "Hide and Q."
| 
| >>EaF was padded more than a Chicago Bears lineman. Yuck. I recall liking
| >>it at the time (and still liked it after having to watch "Code of Honor"..),
| >>but in retrospect it really was a vile piece of junk with few redeeming
| >>characteristics.
| >
| >It was weak, but it wasn't vile. JUSTICE, or NEW GROUND -- *that's* vile.
| 
| AGREED! My god, I agree with Atsushi. Someone kill me now.

Heh... :-)

Kill *you*?  He's the one that agreed with my "Encounter at Farpoint
being about average" remark.  Kill *me*!  :-)

| >>Now, to flame point #2: "Where No Man Has Gone Before,"
| >>which, in my mind, is
| >>one of TOS' best episodes. 
| >
| >Yep.
| >
| 
| My god, he agrees with me.

Whew... maybe we'd better kill *you*.  You were right the fist time.  :-)

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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: Occurance of 18 in ST: TNG
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:48:10 GMT

hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.194044.470@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>>
>>Hey, in "Cause and Effect", it was *36* seconds to a particular critical
>>event.  Twice 18.  :-)

>One of the most frequently used numbers is '4077'.  As Okuda is a M*A*S*H fan,
>it can be found on almost every panel or computer display.

Yep--and look!  Adding up the digits in 4077 gives you...18!  :-)

Tim Lynch
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From: cmeadows@isis.cs.du.edu (Christopher Meadows)
Subject: Re: Deja vu
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In article <1992Apr7.165704.10666@netfs.dnd.ca> bvan@ncs.dnd.ca (Bryan Va
 Blaricom) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.110727.25165@koko.csustan.edu> jfleming@koko.csusta
.edu (John Fleming) writes:
>>Am I right or am I wrong?
>>
>>Is the actress that played Nurse Chappel(sp) in the original
>>Star Trek the same actress who now plays Lwaxana Troi the 
>>obnoxious mother of Deanna Troi in TNG??
>>
>
>   Majel Barrett Roddenberry (she married Gene) has been be very active 
n
>Star Trek.  She played:
>
>Number One in The Cage (the pilot)
>Nurse Christine Chapell in TOS
>Doctor Chapell in ST:TMP
>
>And she currently plays both Lwaxana Troi and the voice of the ship's
>computer in TNG.
>
>Bryan





She did the voice of the computer in the old Star Trek, too.
From: kfree@arghouse.UUCP (Kenneth Freeman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Occurance of 18 in ST: TNG
Date: 15 Apr 92 07:49:18 GMT
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rll1@gloin.unh.edu (Robert L Lamothe) writes:

> In article <1992Apr10.044348.7426@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (M
> >In article <1992Apr9.194044.470@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Tim
> >>
> >>Hey, in "Cause and Effect", it was *36* seconds to a particular critical
> >>event.  Twice 18.  :-)
> >
> >One of the most frequently used numbers is '4077'.  As Okuda is a M*A*S*H fa
> >it can be found on almost every panel or computer display.
> >
> >
> >-- 
> >"What? Over? Did you say it's over? Nothing's over, till we decide it is! 
> > Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!" --John Belushi
> >hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu                        Gene Roddenberry 1921-1991
> 
> 	Hey if you add 4+0+7+7 you get 18, a coincedence?
> 					-Bob

 
4077 in hex is FED.

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From: tp1l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas W. Pope)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: preponderance of humanoids
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:06:00 GMT
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  On the subject of english speaking aliens:

  I agree that the ships computer could filter and translate any
communications coming from an alien vessel (Of course, it might take a
little time on first contact to establish a linguistic base)  But many
aliens are met face to face, as in "Transmutation" (quite probably
spelled wrong, it was the episode which raised the original question)
The alien "John Doe" that survived the crash spoke perfect english
with a slightly upper class accent, as did the other members of his
race, both over the screens and in person.  Now, I never saw the crew
carrying any translating device, and I don't believe that the
communicator pins serve that function.

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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Kirk's mentions in TNG (was Re: Cause and Effect-the other Federation)
Keywords: why didn't that captain question...
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:14:49 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

rhudson@novell.com (Ron Hudson) writes:

>I think Kirk was mentioned
>in TNG, in Encounter at Farpoint, during the first few moments of the show, 
>Picard is walking into engineering and we are hearing his thoughts, he 
>"thinks" somthing about the "Legindary" Admiral Kirk getting in so much 
>trouble, even with a vulcan first officer.

You think wrong.  Maybe something like that occurred in the novelization (I
haven't read it), but no reference even faintly like that occurs in TNG, much
less the pilot.

Tim Lynch
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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: Another 3 in 1 Opinionated Review (OUTPOST...LONELY)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:18:59 GMT

hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.224218.1249@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:

>>>WHERE NO ONE HAS GONE BEFORE
>>
>>Absolutely.  I'll side with Matt Hucke; this was easily the best of the 
>>first ten or so shows (once we hit "The Big Goodbye" and "Datalore", it's
>>at least got some competition, though I don't know quite how they'd
>>stack up against each other).

>I'd put it as second best of the season, behind CONSPIRACY.  11001001 and
>THE BIG GOODBYE come close, though.  

Hmm.  "11001001" is a strong contender, and I rather liked "Coming of Age"
as well.  ("The Battle" was nice, too, but not up in WNOHGB's league.)  I
don't think I could quite put this up in the #2 spot, though it'd be close.

>>No wonder that Mike Shappe and I both yelled out "we love you, Diane!"
>>at the listing of the writing credits.  ;-)

>I noticed her name on my first viewing as well, and thought this was a great
>thing for the overall series quality...  I expected her to be a regular.
>Of course, R'Nold put a stop to that. :(

I doubt she'd have been a regular in any case.  

>>I think what this really reminded me of was a somewhat watered-down _The
>>Wounded Sky_.  Some of the problems you mention certainly make the show
>>significantly weaker than said novel, but it had so many *good* things to
>>it (the Wes/Traveler plot being the most prominent so far as "important"
>>character development was concerned) that it still blew away the competition.
>>I'd have preferred a version more like TWS, but I'm rather biased; TWS is
>>probably my favorite TOS novel in existence.

>While TWS is certainly in my 'top ten', I wouldn't go that far.  

I'm not surprised; I've yet to meet anyone who would.  :-)

>>things picked up, but for now you've got a few rough roads ahead.  :-) )

>You mean JUSTICE, of course. :)

Kaff, kaff.  Among other things, yes.  :-)  ("Haven" gives it a run for its
money, though...)

Tim Lynch
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Shatner's Acting (was Re: Star Trek's Classics - Top 10 List)
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:25:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr14.200349.7550@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (We make money the ole fashioned way. We beat people for it.) writes...
>In article <29EB20B4.23524@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes...
>>Rather predictably, I disagree.  Shatner mellowed much more in the
>>movies.  He seemed aware of the caricatures of his performance inthe
>>series and tried to quiet down a bit.  That one long scene between him
>>and Carol in the Genesis cave was wonderful, as was his little
>>chin-on-the-rail bit at the end of TWoK.  Numbers three and four I'm not
>>too fond of, but I think he did wonderfully there, too.  Five never
>>happened, so I can't say anything about it, right?
>>Six was a little return to the ways of the old series, but I still think
>>he didn't ham it up as much.  Watch the bit with him making that log
>>entry about not being able to forgive the Klingons, and then watch the
>>cheesy scene in _The Naked Time_ where he moons over the ship like a
>>lover and tell me he was better in the series!

    I agree wholeheartedly here.

>Part of the difference is in the script and director. Remember, Shanter
>helped directors out during the time of the show.  He conviced him to
>let be Over-active(if I may slaughter this word.)
>Shatner was not a bad actor, it is just when he was given a chance, he
>would over-act. I would cosider him a capable actor, if you have the right
>director.

     There is a little more to it than that, but the director is definitly
     a factor in the performance of any actor.  One very important thing
     you're overlooking is TIME.  TOS and TNG shoot forty-three minutes
     in roughly seven days.  TWOK, for example, shot roughly a hundred
     minutes in FOUR MONTHS.  
     More production time, more REHERSAL time.  Rehersal time is a big
     factor in acting: many daytime soap actors aren't bad actors, but
     come off that way because they SHOOT 55 pages EVERY DAY.  
     For TWOK, Shatner was lucky if he shot 2 pages per day.
     Nick Meyer is a very strong director for his actors - he is a bastard
     and he is not afraid to grab them and say, "This is how you have to
     do it."  On Star Trek, the clout situation is such that Meyer must
     be political, but he gets his point across.            
     Anyway, there's my $.2.

                ^She's My Cousin But Doesn't She^
                      ^Look Almost Exactly^
           ____________^Like Laura Palmer^____________
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From: cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Occurance of 18 in ST: TNG
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:25:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.164810.18407@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr9.194044.470@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>>>
>>>Hey, in "Cause and Effect", it was *36* seconds to a particular critical
>>>event.  Twice 18.  :-)
>
>>One of the most frequently used numbers is '4077'.  As Okuda is a M*A*S*H fan,
>>it can be found on almost every panel or computer display.
>
>Yep--and look!  Adding up the digits in 4077 gives you...18!  :-)
>
>Tim Lynch

And if you add int he latitude of Easter Island anad multiply by the
height of the Great Pyramid, subsequently dividing by the length of all
of Uri Geller's nose hair lined up end to end . . .

You get the picture.

Regards,
Janis C.
 
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Announcing the Star Trek-TNG Episode Guide stack
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world,public
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:50:35 GMT

In article <466uiB13w164w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (From A to B) writes:
>mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor) writes:
>
>Oh, and except for the eight-letter filenames.  Except for the fact that
>Windows 3.1 will only support a single monitor.

In the unlikely event that anyone would *want* two monitors, it is certainly
possible to connect two to any PC with VGA or better.  Although Windows 
itself will only run on one, any application can write into the address
space of the other monitor.

> Except for the garish
>colours vomited all over the screen whether you want them or not.

Colors which can be changed easily.

> Except for
>the lack of a Finder.  Except for aliases. 

Ever hear of batch files?  And a simple shell to DOS and dir /s will find any
file easily.

> Except for file information.
>Except for automatic swapping of disks.

Do you mean those stupid little "Please insert the disk XYZ" boxes?  Since 
REAL computers have EJECT BUTTONS on the drives, this isn't needed.

> Except for painless installation and
>de-installation of fonts and accessories.  Yeah, apart from all that it's
>JUST like the Mac...

Except that real computers have OFF switches.  When a Mac locks up (and they
do this often!) it has to be unplugged.


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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: the Star Trek-TNG Episode Guide stack (REALLY!)
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:20:39 GMT
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In article <1992Apr7.211752.22918@morrow.stanford.edu> steve@sep.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole) writes:
>This stack is really great. Thanks for putting it together.
>I saw a play with Amanda McBroom, and the program listed ST:TNG
>among her credits. Who did she play? No problem; go home, bring
>up the stack, and use "Find".
>For trivia fans, the answer follows this control-L.

Hypercard is a toy... "grep" could do that in half the time.


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From: willdm@unix.cis.pitt.edu (William D Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: ST 25th Anniversary Game Question
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:19:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Computing & Information Services

I have a question concerning one of the situations in the ST Anniversary
Game.  Anybody who's thinking of purchasing the game may not want to
read this, so with a wave of the wand...

(hope I did that right)  Anyway.  I'm in the sixth? scenario.  The one
entitled 'That Old Devil Moon', and I'm having a little difficulty
figuring out the access code to the door of the missile base on the
moon, Scythe.

I thought that the number might be '99' since Spock alludes that the
code is connected to their superstitious nature, and the ships computer
states that 99 had religious significance to the Lucrs.  It doesn't 
work.

So does anybody have any hints, allusions, clues, or plain outright
revelations?

Much appreciated.

Will

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From: silvers3@husc8.harvard.edu (Jolyon Silversmith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Intermix Columns on STII vs. TNG, STVI
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:29:56 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

>>This may seem like a minor point, but I noticed that on STVI, the intermix  
>>column was exactly like the one on TNG, which was that serial neon  
>>flash-tube thing.
>
>If you look closer, A LOT of the sets in STVI were redressed TNG sets!  The
>transporter room is another prime offender.  I was somewhat annoyed that
>Paramount did this.  They could've just dug up the old sets, couldn't they?
>
The TNG sets ARE the old sets.  In one of the articles I read about VI, I recall
it being said that budget considerations made it impossible to build new sets,
although they actually considered doing it for this movie based upon the shoddy
redressing job that was done in the last movie.

-- 
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From: gordon@meaddata.com (Gordon Edwards)
Subject: Re: What would YOU like to see a Galaxy class ship named?
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:52:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.212257.9152@nevada.edu>, jtgorman@nevada.edu (Heathers Administrator) writes:
|>   I think any ship that has the Enterprise as a sister ship needs a good
|> solid name, like 
|> 
|>   USS Indestructible  (Seeing how the Yamato already bit it, and alot of
|> 		       Consitutions bought it in TOS, "Enterprise" is
|> 		       cursed!  :)
|> 
|>   As for the "shuttle" Enterprise not being shown in Picard's wall - two
|> reasons:
|> 
|>   1 : It isn't (wasn't) a real shuttle.  More a lifting body testbed.
|>   2 : It would make a _nasty_ circular reference.  The "shuttle"
|>       Enterprise was not named after any current or past ship.  It was
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>       so named because of the NCC-1701 and the original show!

What!?! 

The following post is from Berbie Wong;

--- Begin Post ---
YEAR    EVENT
1616    (Great Birtain) HMS ENTERPRISE sent to find an alternate navel
        route to the Orient, destroyed near India by a hurricane.
1760    (United States) USS ENTERPRISE, 12 gun sloop, captured on Lake
        Champlain  by United patroits in 1775, captained by General
        Benedict Arnold in the Revolutionary War.  Self-destructed in
        1777 to prevent capture by British Royal Navy
1780    (United States) USS ENTERPRISE, 8 gun schooner, protected the
        Chesapeake Bay against the British Royal Navy
1812    (United States) USS ENTERPRISE, 18 gun schooner, used in the War
        of 1812, destroyed near the end of the war
1936    (United States) USS ENTERPRISE, LEXINGTON-Class military
        aircraft carrier, built 1938, commissioned 1941, fought several
        battles during World War II.  Dismantled 1946. Designation: CV-6
--- End Post ---

Additionally there is CVN-65 USS Enterprise, Enterprise class nuclear
aircraft carrier.


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From: hwilliam@isis.cs.du.edu (Hywel Williams)
Subject: Re: TNG video tapes
Followup-To: cshjw@pyr.swan.ac.uk
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>asmith@acorn.co.uk Wed Apr 15 12:56:59 said:
>
>This is hopefully a simple question. I am collecting the videos of ST*TNG,
>which are being released over here (at the rate of three a month). I have
>just finished watching number 25, which is the first two episodes of season
>three (Evolution and Ensigns of command).
>
>With all of the tapes I have, the picture on the front of the video is a
>still from one of the two episodes on the tape, except tape 25, where the
>picture on the front is from neither episode.
>
>Does anyone know what episode this picture is from and why tape 25 is
>different? Is is just a miss print or am I missing something (other than a
>few screws)?

Is this the one with monks in yellow gowns on the front ?   If it is then these
really are Tibettan monks - they showed up in Paramount and were given a tour
arround the studio.  It turned out that they were devout fans of Star Trek &
a picture was taken of them with the crew.  Said picture is found on the front
of the video cassette!  Who knows why it was put there as, you quite rightly
mentioned that the picture has nothing to do with the programme!!!

I'd be interested to know if this is the same in the States.  Also, how long
after the episode is shown are the tapes released over there ?  They come
out roughly a month and a half BEFORE they're shown over here.
(That finishes next week when Season 3 finishes and good ol' aunty Beeb is
not going ahead with season 4 :-( :-(         )

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