From: paryavi@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Saiid Paryavi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.wanted,misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale.computers.mac
Subject: Please help with FRAUD case!  Beware!
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:21:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: matt.1dq1nvINNj1r
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Organization: Kansas State University
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Fellow netters,

I believe I have been defrauded in a deal on the net.  The details of the
deal will follow shortly. I would like to know if there is any way I can
recover my money.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Sorry for the length of this message, but I had to include some of the detail
in order to expose this guy.

On Oct. 14, Charles Purwin (purwinc@woods.ulowell.edu) posted the following:

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For sale MAC monitor.

        Ikegami CDE-165         
                1280x1024       .26dp
                16" screen      color
                swivel base
                
        Near new condition, comes with power cord, and cable
        (cable is RGB to 15 pin color)

        Asking   $450 or best offer
thankyou.
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Charles Purwin    Systems    Internet: purwinc@woods.ulowell.edu
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I responded to his ad asking what type of video board would be required to 
use this monitor with a Mac.  He said that it would work with a RasterOps
or similar board as long as it had a 15pin connector on it.

I thought OK, that sounds good enough.  I then offered him $400 and split
shipping.  He counter offered $425 and split shipping.  I accepted.  He
was to ship it COD cash for $425 + half of the shipping charges.  After
a long while, he finally shipped the monitor COD for $425 + all the shipping
charges.  I accepted the package from UPS thinking that he might have
forgotten the split shipping.  After contacting Charles, he agreed to send
me the difference, but until now, I have not seen ay money.

That is not the worst of it .... read on ...

I opened the package, and right away I noticed a crack in one corner of the
monitor.  It was obvious that the crack was not due to shipping because 
someone had tried (unsuccessfully) to put some glue in the crack!  I was
quite disappointed at that moment because Mr. Purwin had not said anything
about it before and that I would have never bought the monitor if I knew it
had a crack.  But that is NOT the worst of it ...

I said to myself, well, if the monitor works good I might at least try to
negotiate a partial refund or something. I hooked up the monitor to a Lapis
board that supports monitors up to 17".  It did not work.  I then hooked it
up to a RasterOps. That did not work.  I tried it with the Mac IIsi internal
video, that obviously did not work.

I contacted Charles Purwin telling him all the above and requested that he
send me some specs on the monitor for me to see if I could get it to work.  
His answer to the crack was that he was sorry and that he would send me $15 
because of it.  Mind you that he still owes me half of the shipping, which 
would be about $12.  His answer to the monitor not working was that it worked
in his IIcx.  He offered to fax me a spec sheet that Ikegami had sent him.

I got the fax.  It described the Ikegami model number CDE-165.  From the
description, it seemed that Charles was right and that it should work with
either the Lapis board or the RasterOps board.  However, I still could not
get it to work.

I called Ikegami to get help.  They said that the specific model number
that I had (CDE-165VB AF68) was specifically made for Agfa computers and
because of the special fixed scan rates, there is NO board on the market that 
would drive the monitor. That is true for Mac and IBM, they said.  They 
faxed me the spec sheet on the CDE-165VB AF68.  Obviously Ikegami knows 
what they built.  And they were right, the monitor did not work with any
Mac nor IBM boards.

Again I contacted Charles Purwin and told him the facts and demanded that
my money be refunded.  After ignoring my e-mail for a number of days, and 
after repeated attempts to reach him, he finally responded by saying that 
he had tried the monitor with a Radius GS/CM board before he shipped it, and
that it worked.  He totally ignored my request for a refund.  

At this stage, not knowing what a Radius GS/CM board is, I just got tired of
all this deception and asked him for a refund once again.  My main reason is
that the monitor is not as he advertised.  It is broken (has a crack) and it
does not work.

Up until now, he has refused to even answer my e-mail messages.  I would like
to pursue this matter with legal action if possible, but I don't know what 
needs to be done.

We definitely don't want this kind of deceptive dealing to go on the net.
If you can help, in any way, please let me know.

Thanks

Saiid Paryavi
paryavi@matt.ksu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware