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From: davidd@hobbes.swdc.stratus.com (David Deisley)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: TAB Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:01:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

In article <seVcI3i00UzxA241BK@andrew.cmu.edu> bt16+@andrew.cmu.edu (Bill Thomas) writes:
>>>Not to be an elitist, but I find it very irritating when I see
>>>tablature for classical pieces that are very easy to find as
>>>sheet music for guitar.  If people are really interested in
>>>playing a classical piece, shouldn't they at least make an
>>>effort to learn to read music?  Especially if they are
>>>serious about playing an instrument?
>
>If you get "very irritated" this easily, then God help you.

Huh?

>Besides, you're trying to turn music into WORK - suggesting that people
>should not be ALLOWED to have a fun, easy way to play classical music on
>the guitar. Music should be FUN. Lighten up.

I never suggested the above nonsense.  If you cannot read a suggest you
go back to school.

				David Deisley

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From: eomc40@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Allan)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: JACK PLUGS
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:54:36 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Edinburgh University


Has anyone experienced any problems with incompatible jack plugs and
sockets ?

I use a Whirlwind Leader cable as my main cable but I have been finding
problems using it with my Fender Strat.  It seems to move about a lot in
the socket which results in a very dirty contact.  I then tried using
this cable on my cheap strat copy and there was no problem at all.  I
came to the conclusion that the jack socket on my Fender was dodgy so I
took it to my local music store where the repair man could not find any
fault.  

Having brought my Fender home  I tried using my cheaper Klotz lead,
which gave a very good fit and contact.  I examined the jack sockets on
both guitars and noticed that the socket on my strat copy was further
recessed than on my Fender.  I also noticed that on the base of the jack
plug of the Whirlwind there is a sort of ridge which prevents it from
being inserted as far as the Klotz jack.


This problem has just started even though I have been using all these
pieces of equipment for well over 6 months.  I find it very strange that
thee are incompatabilities with certain jack sockets and plugs.  Maybe I
just got sold a dodgy Whirlwind ?  I am a bit annoyed by this because
the Whirlwind cable is guarenteed for 10 years and cost the equivalent
of 30 US dollars and is my main cable.


Has anybody else experienced similar problems ?  Do you think my cable
could be dodgy ?  I am considering buying a new Whirlwind but taking in
my guitar to try it out !!!

Please post or email replies,

thanks in advance for any comments recieved,

Malcolm Allan
University of Edinburgh
Scotland.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: rogers@rosencrantz.osf.org (Andrew Rogers)
Subject: Re: Buckethead
Organization: HICAM/OSD
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:50:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.120631.27632@ryn.mro4.dec.com> rost@rgb.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost) writes:
>>  I just checked out a few issues of Guitar Player out of the library and saw a
>>collum(?) by this guy refered to as "Buckethead"...
>
>His real name is Brian Carroll.  He apparently performs like he looks in those
>pics in GP, with pancake makeup and a bucket on his head.  I saw an article on
>him in another mag...

There's an article about him in the latest _Musician_ (the one with U2 on the
cover).  Might that be where you read about him?

AWR
From: PRAMAN@KGNVMA.VNET.IBM.COM (Ankan K. Pramanick)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Digital Audio Tape Multi-trackers
Date: 17 Aug 1992 17:01:13 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Newsgroup: rec.music.makers, alt.guitar
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed the poster's own, and not
            necessarily those of IBM Corporation.

I have been away from these groups for some time, and apologize if the
following is a recently covered item:

Does anyone have any updates on Tascam's plans to introduce an 8-track
digital recorder (possibly using VHS cassettes), such as date of release,
suggested price, specs., mixer info. (included/not), etc.? I heard that such
a unit was in the works, and scheduled for a late '92 release, at a lower
price than Alesis' $3000+ 8-mm based ADAT 8-tracker. Also, how about
experiences with the Alesis ADAT unit? Any input will be appreciated.

-Ankan-
praman@kgnvma.vnet.ibm.com

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    "... you gotta serve somebody!"     --- Robert Zimmermann
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From: tygar+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug Tygar)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.music.progressive,bit.listserv.allmusic,rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Coltrane Prestige query
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:58:34 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Aug17.091530.7554@nestroy.wu-wien.ac.at> lell@dec2.wu-wien.ac.at (Christoph Lell ) writes:
>
>Could someone please enlighten me on the contents, price, no. of CDS,
>quality, timeframe of the set: Complete Prestige Recordings of John Coltrane.
>
>I've seen this thing here in Vienna, but it cost aboout 380 US $. But:
>I will be in the States in September. 
>
>Also this is the first place I've seen mention a Sonny Rollins set. What's
>the deal with this thing.
>

The list price from OJC is US$ 225.  OJC offers a 10% discount and free
postage on mail order requests that have more than ten items.  The set retails
for $200 at a local store here in Pittsburgh.

I found the set to be excellent, although it does not include the Prestige
recordings with Miles Davis (which are in a separate box set.)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab
From: jriitala@polaris.utu.fi (Jari Riitala)
Subject: Re: //Theory Query (FollowUP)
Organization: University of Turku
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 06:42:52 GMT

Got this in private e-mail.. think it belongs here since I wasn't the one who 
asked and this one ain't too bad (sorry, Tim, I should have asked your 
permission..)

Let Tim Stanley speak:
---------------------------------------
I assume that you want to seamlessly improvise a few chords after the
song that then changes key into the next song so you will have a nice
professional lead in to the next song.  Anyway, this is often called a
"turnaround".  There are lots and lots of ways to do it.  You know,
basic chord theory is pretty straight forward, check out a beginner
theory book at the library or used-book store and you will get a bunch
of ideas and a real strong foundation in how chords work - thusly, how
you can change keys like you want (seriously, basic theory isn't
hard).  And basic theory will open up new worlds to you, it will in no
way hurt your improvisation, etc.  Whenever I hear people say that
they don't want to know any theory because it will inhibit their
improvisation, I can't help but laugh at the reverse-snobism and
excuses.

So, if you are sophisticated/interested enough in your music to
recognize the need for the turnaround, you are definitely ready for
some quick basic theory.  Another advantage - you may be able to
remember songs better because you understand the foundation.
Chord changes that are unusual will become easy to remember
because the are interesting from a theory perspective.  Anyway...
that enough preaching - good luck.

Regards,

T
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From: tom@tomr2.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: FOR SALE: Digitech GSP-21 Legend
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:54:42 GMT
Reply-To: tom@tomr2.austin.ibm.com ()
Organization: IBM, Austin


        Digitech GSP-21 PRO Upgraded to a GSP-21 Legend.

        This is a digital signal processing unit designed
        for guitar players and includes a vast array of digital
        and analog effects in a single box.  A partial list of
        effects includes:

        o Compressor
        o Four flavors of distortion
        o 5 band equalizer
        o Chorus
        o Flanger
        o Delay (includes multi-tap)
        o Three reverb algorithms
        o Mixer
        o Speaker Simulator

        In addition the unit is completely programmable so that
        these effects can be combined together in a vast number of
        ways.

        Additional features that make this an exceptional unit are:

        o 10 button programmable foot controller with LED program 
          display
        o 179 program presets
        o 64 slots for user defined programs
        o Complete MIDI implementation
        o Includes effects loop

        The unit is less than one year old and is in mint condition.

        Asking $500.00

        Call or email me for more info!


--
Tom Tucker
IBM Austin, TX
(512) 838-3030
tom@tomr2.austin.ibm.com
Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:47:14 -0400 
From: Bill Thomas <bt16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Django (was Re: Steve Morse, Steve Vai, Satriani, Robert Johnson)

>Django Reinhardt(sp?) - yet another amazing and unique guitarist. Played
>with the Quintet du Hot Club in Paris during the 30's/40's(i think).  He
>was a gypsy and played like one.  He was a great guitarist when younger
>but had his left hand, fretting hand, mutilated in a fire when he was about
>18(?).  This caused his pinky and third finger to be fused together which
>had a lot to do with creating his unique style.  He's well known for bringing
>the guitar out as a solo instrument when it was primarily used for rhythm and
>accompaniment. Truly amazing.

Can you recommend any recordings? I haven't heard him, but from what
I've read, Django is a forefather of modern guitar.
From: johnr@tvnews.tv.tek.com (John Reynolds)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Fender Bassman Amp
Summary: Which channel for guitar?
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:25:42 GMT
Organization: Tektronix TV Measurement Systems, Beaverton, OR


As a result of some net discussions about Fender Bassman amps, I've
noticed that on many versions of the amp, the preamp circuits for the
two channels ("Normal" and "Bass Instrument") are substantially 
different.  I know lots of folks like to use these amps for guitar.
Which channel produces the best guitar sound?

John Reynolds
Tektronix TV Division
Beaverton, OR
From: serge@dgbt.doc.ca (Serge Ah Hee)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Steve Morse, Steve Vai, Satriani, Robert Johnson
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:16:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Communications Research Centre

Good Day to all,

	I've been playing guitar for about a year now. My exposure to guitar
playing has been mainly blues, SRV, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, and the Cult.
I've been seeing names like Steve Morse, Satriani, Steve Vai and Robert Johnson.
My question is...what kind of music do they play? I'm really low on cash, 
so I'm not willing to take my chances and by a CD. Any comments? By the
way, I don't want to start a who's the better guitarist thread, I just want
to broaden my horizons.

Thanks...

Serge
From: bearce@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Phil Bearce)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:07:41 GMT
Subject: Re: REQ: Some FUNK chords or progressions
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.guitar


I posted this on Monday the 18th and got this response via e-mail Tuesday
from Bob Hall, Kind Guitarist Extraordinaire...

>Can some kind guitarist post or e-mail me some funk-type chords or better
>yet a funk chord progression.  You know, one of those funky rhythm progressions
>you hear on Arsinio or even the 70's Average White Band stuff.  
>
>Many thanks in advance..
>
>Phil-
>

From rh34+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue Aug 18 08:10 PDT 1992
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:06:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Robert R. Hall" <rh34+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: REQ: Some FUNK chords or progressions

Phil

There's different types of funk, I guess you're talking
about the James Brown/Parliament kind, that's R&B funk.
Most of that stuff follows the I IV V progression with
9th chords and Dominant 7th's.  Some voicings are "funkier"
than others; here's some good ones (they're moveable)

C9      x 3 2 3 3 3
C7      x 3 2 3 1 x
G7      3 x 3 4 3 x
G7      3 2 3 x 3 x

Sex Machine by James Brown is
D9 (C9 -> C#9 -> D9)  x2
G9 (F9 -> F#9 -> G9)  x2
D9 (C9 -> C#9 -> D9)  x2
A9 (G9 -> G#9 -> A9)  x1
G9 (F9 -> F#9 -> G9)  x1
D9 (C9 -> C#9 -> D9)  x2

Listen to the song for the rhythm, it follows 
the standard blues chart

Modern funk is usually I III IV, Spin Doctors
are modern funk rock.  Usually the I is played
for most of the bar, then a riff at the end of
the bar is based on the III IV.  Hendrix used it
in Purple Haze

E7#9    0 7 6 7 8 0
G7      3 5 3 4 3 3
A7      5 7 5 6 5 5

I'm not familiar w/Average White Band, but most 
of the Arsenio stuff sounds "funky" because of the
bassline and the drumbeat, not the guitar.  They
use different progressions (I III IV, II V I, I IV V)
but when the bass guitar uses lots of minor thirds
(pentatonic) with the bass drum on the off-beats,
it's funk.  It's more in the rhythm than in the chords,
but if you're playing guitar on top of a funky rhythm, use 7th
and 9th chords, they blend really well with the pentatonic
basslines.

hope this helps
feel free to post this to alt.guitar

bob
 
>Thanks Bob, I can't wait to try this out.  Enjoy NetLand....
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From: emtz@sdf.lonestar.org (Edgar Martinez)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Playing with fingernails
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:34:44 GMT
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access

In article <basinski-170892104208@lully.biosci.arizona.edu> basinski@biosci.arizona.edu (Mark Basinski) writes:
>
>RE: Scales, I generally play all scales alternating i-m, no matter what
>the number of notes on a string or the string crosses (though I may well
>choose which finger to start with in order to take advantage of the
>string crossing).  I'd say that if you are serious about playing with
>your fingers, you need to practice sufficiently so that you can play
>scales well SOMEHOW...for me, i-m works best. I have heard some players
>do scales ami (esp with 3 notes on string) but I have *rarely* heard this
>done in such a way that it didn't sound uneven (sometimes, but not very
>often). I did know a guy who played all scales amam (tryly a mutant, but 
>it worked for him) and others prefer aiai. Generally it is much easier to
>coordinate 2 fingers, and for example, if you look at spanish flamenco
>players, they all have terrifyingly fast scales (though the tone may not
>be the greatest) and they always play strictly alternating i & m, for 
>simplicity's sake.

 When I practice, I warm up by playing scales. My teacher suggested trying
as many combinations of fingerings as I could, for example: i-m today,
a-m tomorrow, p-i, p-a, even a-m-i (hard to get used to). He just wants me
to play scales well every way. I like that idea.

Edgar Martinez
emtz@sdf.lonestar.org
From: basinski@biosci.arizona.edu (Mark Basinski)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Looking for Music Notation Program
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:46:05 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar,alt.guitar.tab,comp.sys.mac.app
Organization: Univ. of Arizona

In article <1684AA7E1.M23231@mwvm.mitre.org>, M23231@mwvm.mitre.org wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Aug19.191316.23781@netnews.alf.dec.com>
> harry@netnews.alf.dec.com (Harry Katz) writes:
>  
> >
> >I am looking for a program for creating standard music
> >notation and/or tablature in PostScript format.  The
> >target machine is a Mac IIcx.  What I am looking for
> >is something in the public domain or something not
> >too expensive.  I do not need any fancy bells and
> >whistles.
> >
> >Thanks.
> ************
> What you need is the Deluxe Music Construction Set.
> This is available thru any mailorder house. It's
> far and away better than anything else in its price range (about $50, I think)
> and, in fact, better than some that sell for 4-5 times as much. I love it.

		Wait a minute...I think I missed something here...Do you mean to say that
you've got DMCS to do TAB? I use DMCS (a semi-old version I think) and as
far as I know it will not do tab, but I agree that for the price it is a
great tool (despite the fact that there are numerous things it can't do, or
are difficult to do, like getting 3 independent rhythms on ONE staff...i.e.
arrangements of Bach fugues...but I guess I'll have to cough up for finale
for that)

ANYWAY, does anybody know of ANY program that will generate PS TAB? I have
a friend who specializes in renaissance and baroque lute, and only uses
tab, and he'd love to get his hands on something like that...
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Mark Basinski      Internet: basinski@biosci.arizona.edu
From: basinski@biosci.arizona.edu (Mark Basinski)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: 3 pickup Tele
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:05:17 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Organization: Univ. of Arizona

> >Has anyone out there had much experience putting in a middle pickup
> >into a Fender Telecaster?
	Once upon a Time I had a nifty 62 Tele with 2 humbuckers (replacing the
usual Tele neck pickup) in addition to the normal bridge pickup. The one
thing I learned the hard was that, compared to a most Gibsons (or even 
to a Strat) the string clearance on the Tele is quite low (that is, the
distance from the strings to the surface of the guitar) and I made the
mistake of mounting the humbuckers on top of the plastic pickguard with
the usual black gibson-type mounting frames. This left *very* little
space, and it was something of a nuisance for the pick. Perhaps you
wouldn't have that problem with a single coil pickup, but just the same,
to save yourself some grief, take a careful look at the placement of
the added pickup...
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From: 880139h@dragon.acadiau.ca (Rob Hutten)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Django (was Re: Steve Morse, Steve Vai, Satriani, Robert Johnson)
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:45:28 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

bt16+@andrew.cmu.edu (Bill Thomas) writes:

>Can you recommend any recordings? I haven't heard him, but from what
>I've read, Django is a forefather of modern guitar.

I just bought my first Django recording last week and it's hardly left
my walkman since.  The guy had an amazing sense of swing, and his
single note stuff is mind-bogglingly nifty.
			 ,
The album is called `Un Geant sur son nuage' (`A giant on his cloud'?
My french hurts) and it was compiled and released in 1990 by Babik
Reinhardt (Son? Daughter? Anyone know?).  It contains 21 tracks
recorded with Stephane Grapelli (amazing violinist) between 1935 and
1940.

It contains the kick-assiest version of `Swanee River' that you'll ever
hear.  Get the album, it's a must.

Oh, it's on the Polygram Jazz label.  Should be easy to find.

-Rob
-- 
rob.hutten@acadiau.ca     880139h@dragon.acadiau.ca     hutten@agcrr.bio.ns.ca
just a warsteinersblindwilliejohnsoncoffeedjangoreinhardtunixpantera kinda guy
Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:51:29 -0400 
From: Bill Thomas <bt16+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: TAB Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring

>My problem with the original post, was the fact that "Jesu, Joy
>of Man's Desiring" is readily available to the guitarist in any music
>store that carries classical music.  But it is in standard notation. If
>the original poster was really interested in learning the piece, then
>I would think it would not be that much trouble to learn standard
>notation.  This would also give the person the opportunity to play
>other music not readily available in tab. 
> 
> 
>			David Deisley

You just seem intent on digging in deeper...
From: ras5@po.CWRU.Edu (Raymond A. Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: What do you think of Prince?
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:35:23 GMT
Reply-To: ras5@po.CWRU.Edu (Raymond A. Smith)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, billw@ace.mentorg.com (Bill Wright) says:

>
>I was just listening to "Strollin'" off of his latest album _Diamonds and
>Pearls_ and thought it had some really neat jazzy guitar work.  I also
>think his solo on "I Could Never Take the Place of Your Name" (from an
>earlier album) is really outstanding.  My impression is that he isn't
>considered very highly by the guitar playing community, but I don't really
>know why.  What are other's opinions about him?  While there is a lot of
>his material that I don't enjoy very much, each album seems to have a couple
>of real gems.  He seems to be a very diverse, talented musician and song
>writer.  Let's hear what you think.
>
>Of course, I can't post without the obligatory request for tabulature.
>Anyone have any or know of any existing Prince tabulature?
>
>Bill
>-- 
>             Bill Wright / bill_wright@mentorg.com
>
>                  "When in doubt, run it out!"
>
I agree that Prince is underrated as a guitarist.  He's got a great tone
with loads of sustain and he doesn't seem to be hung up on brand names in
concert, since his amp has a paisley design on it.  I saw him on Arsenio
Hall and he was great and I've seen a tape of him live with The Revolution.
On "Purple Rain" he was wailing for 5 minutes or longer.  I mean WAILING.

Thumbs up from me,


Ray

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