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From: jcallen@marley.think.com (Jerry Callen)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Re: remedial waltz (was Re: waltz: how fast is danceable?)
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:52:36 GMT
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In-reply-to: r_hayes@dogsbody.Eng.Sun.COM's message of 3 Sep 1992 01:00:17 GMT

In article <183o31INN28g@smli.Eng.Sun.COM> r_hayes@dogsbody.Eng.Sun.COM (Roger Hayes) writes:

   How many of you have experienced this problem, that it's difficult to 
   do couple dances with a sweetie?

Memememememe! I find that I most enjoy couple dances with:

- Dear Olde Friends of either gender (which, oddly enough, may include prior sweeties...)
- New and exciting dance acquaintances

I wish this were not so. Sigh...

-- Jerry Callen
   jcallen@world.std.com           (preferred)
   jcallen@think.com               (OK, too)
   {uunet,harvard}!think!jcallen   (if you must)
--
-- Jerry Callen
   jcallen@world.std.com           (preferred)
   jcallen@think.com               (OK, too)
   {uunet,harvard}!think!jcallen   (if you must)
From: fnsjc@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: dances/music in Lancaster & Cincinnati?
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:56:21 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

Alaskan contradancer and musician (mandolin and tenor banjo) is 
looking for contradances, jam sessions and folk festivals in the 
Lancaster, PA area Sept. 12-25 and in Cincinnati Oct. 10-18.
Charlie, my friend and fellow band member, will be traveling 
then, I'll pass on any messages.
Thanks!                Sandra Chaffin, fnsjc@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
From: rhn@netcom.com (Ron Nicholson)
Subject: waltz: how fast is danceable?
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 06:45:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na

Could someone describe some folk dance waltz tempo's using a metric
like beats or measures per minute.

In modern international style ballroom dance, there are 2 waltzes: the
slow waltz, at about 31 measures per minute; and the Viennese waltz, at
about 56 measures per minute.

International style Viennese waltz is danced with steps do a half
turn per measure or transition between direction of turn, and can
travel quite rapidly.  International style slow waltz allows enough
time for steps that split beats to be used (as in 1 2 & 3).  Social
waltzes seem to done at a tempo between these two.

Most modern western square dance music is around 30-32 measures/minute.

---
Ronald H. Nicholson, Jr.	Santa Clara, CA		(rhn@netcom.com)
-- 
Ronald H. Nicholson, Jr.	Sigma Designs, Fremont, CA
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From: jeromes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jerome.scriptunas)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing,rec.music.folk,nj.events
Subject: Monmouth Contra Dance 9/6/92
Keywords: Contra Dance, Brookdale College, Live Music, 9/6
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:38:28 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T


                     SUNDAY, September 6, 1992
          SUMMER TIME SCHEDULE - First Sunday - 5:00 - 9:00 pm

CONTRA DANCE sponsored by BROOKDALE COMMUNITY COLLEGE - Community Services
               !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                       DONNA HUNT calling with 
           THE BARNBURNERS playing their foot-stomping music
               !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Contra dancing: a cousin of folk dancing and the Virginia reel but much more
aerobic and MUCH more fun! It's also VERY EASY to do. It involves a dynamic
caller & top-flight LIVE music. This dance form has taken the world by storm.

NO EXPERIENCE IS NECESSARY; there is a teaching session beginning promptly at
5:00.  There is  NO  fancy footwork;  if you can walk, you can contra dance.
A unique social experience - active yet relaxing for singles and couples. 
Partners are not necessary.                        Refreshments included.
                             ****************
                 Sunday, September 6            5:00 to 9:00 pm
                    at the  COMMONS BUILDING - LINCROFT CAMPUS BCC
                                     ****************
NOTE:  SNEAKERS OR SOFT-SOLED SHOES REQUIRED                  Fee: $6.00             
For information call Karl at (908)747-4813 or Trude at (908)747-1571

           ---------------------------------------------------------
                  Mark your calendar NOW for these events:
          September 6 - October 4 - November 1 - December 6
    SUMMER HOURS APRIL TO OCTOBER - First Sunday - 5:00 - 9:00 pm
    WINTER HOURS NOVEMBER TO MARCH - First Sunday - 2:00 - 6:00 pm
           ---------------------------------------------------------
Directions to Commons Building - Brookdale Community College, Lincroft, NJ

>From Garden State Parkway, Exit 109
  Go West on Route 520 (Newman Springs Rd.) 1.9 miles to College entrance.
 (You'll  pass  through   the   center   of Lincroft  at  1.2 miles where
  you will see an Acme Supermarket, two gas stations, and Suthurby's Inn.)
   LEFT onto the main college road for  another  .9 miles; then RIGHT for
   Parking Lots #6 and #7.  Walk past round gym and maintenance building.
   The AIR-CONDITIONED Commons is the next building on your left.
-- 
Jerome Scriptunas 908*949*4971
att!hoqax!jeromes OR attmail!scriptunas
From: jar@cs.cornell.edu (Jonathan Rees)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: contra dance schedule for western MA?
Summary: what is the schedule for contra dances in W. MA for September?
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:55:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853


I'll be passing through western Massachusetts in September.  Could
some kind person send me the contra dance schedule for that part of
the world?  Also, I'm wondering which day (Sat or Sun) is the
Brattleboro Labor Day dawn dance, and what bands and callers will be
there.  And... I vaguely remember someone saying there was a database
of such schedules on the net somewhere - anyone remember where?

Thanks much
-- 
Jonathan Rees  jar@cs.cornell.edu
member, Cambridge Entomological Club / member, League for Programming Freedom
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: WSD Singles Labor Day Weekend
From: fred-mckenzie@ksc.nasa.gov (Fred McKenzie)
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:47:17 EST
Followup-To: rec.folk-dancing
Distribution: world
Organization: NASA/Kennedy Space Center, Florida

Coming up over the Labor Day weekend:

                       Single Square Dancers USA
                       22nd National DANCE-A-RAMA
                "Promenade Eight in the Bluegrass State"

                          September 4-6, 1992
                          Louisville, Kentucky

Featuring:

Tim Crawford                               J. R. Sparks
Toronto, Canada                            Jeffersonville, IN

Tom Davis                                  Lloyd Sparks
Louisville, KY                             Louisville, KY

Ken Burke                                  Ralph and Joan Collipi
Mattoon, IL                                Salem, New Hampshire

Kevin Robinson                             Phil and Becky Guenthner
Lexington, KY                              Louisville, KY

Hosted by Kentuckiana Singles Square Dance Club

Events will be held at:

Commonwealth Convention Center             Hyatt Regency
221 River City Mall                        320 West Jefferson
Louisville, KY 40202                       Louisville, KY 40202
                                           502-587-3434

for additional information, contact the host committee:

                         22nd National Dance-A-Rama, Inc.
                         P. O. Box 20416
                         Louisville, KY 40250-0416
                         812-969-2307
From: SN=Breazeale%GI=Donna%IN=L%Exxon@mcimail.COM
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Dancing and Vegetarian Dining in Boston?
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:28:07 GMT
Organization: Exxon

*From:	IN%"SN=Breazeale%GI=Donna%IN=L%Exxon@mcimail.COM"  "Breazeale"  3-SEP-1992 11:58:20.86
*Subj:	Dancing and Vegetarian Dining in Boston?

 
MSD, Office Environmental Specialist
HOUHCCV1(OSDDLB), KT 611, 656-5478, fax 656-1733
 
I will be in Boston from September 13-18 for a conference.  I have all
the recent postings about international folk and contra dancing and how
to get there via public transportation, but is there anything else special
going on that week, like Scandinavian or Hungarian?  What's the Experienced
Balkan/Western European Couple FD on Tuesday nights like?  And, does
anyone have any recommendations for good vegetarian (preferably vegan)
restaurants?  Thanks!
 
Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.
From: r_hayes@dogsbody.Eng.Sun.COM (Roger Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Re: remedial waltz (was Re: waltz: how fast is danceable?)
Date: 3 Sep 1992 01:00:17 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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It is also an observed phenomenon that couples standardly disagree about
waltzing.  I have had the experience of getting involved with a good
waltz partner; ruined the waltzing and the relationship didn't last
either (for, I think, other reasons).  There's something about emotion
that throws the weight or timing off, I guess.  Or maybe it's that old
devil "expectation".

How many of you have experienced this problem, that it's difficult to 
do couple dances with a sweetie?

				Roger Hayes
				roger.hayes@sun.com
From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Re: remedial waltz (was Re: waltz: how fast is danceable?)
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:01:21 GMT
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Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA

In article <RSHOLMES.92Aug31132200@rodan.syr.EDU> rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes) writes:
>I never thought I'd be writing to Dear Abby, but here goes: at dance
>camp this year a woman told me I need to work on my waltzing. This
>surprised me, not because I consider myself a great waltzer, but
>because I was assuming *she* was the the one who needed to work on it.
>There are lots of women I think I waltz adequately well with, but with
>her it's clumsy; turns out the same is true on her end too.
>
>So what's this mean? That we're both mediocre waltzers who can waltz
>well only with much more talented partners? Or that we're both OK
>waltzers but we're somehow working at cross purposes?
>

Rich:

My guess would be that each of you has learned a different style of waltz, or
possibly have learned the same waltz from teachers with drastically different
teaching styles, with the result being that each of you dances very well with
partners who know the same style or have taken from the same teacher, but don't
mesh with those who know different styles.  My suggestion would be to learn
each other's styles, then you can do either or combine the two.  My partner
and I have a great deal of fun mixing everything from standard folkie-type
waltz to ballroom competition style to Cajun to 19th century vintage style.

Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.boeing.com  // or uunet!bcstec!voodoo!das 
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
From: Bob Bach <bach@swe.uni-linz.ac.at>
Subject: Where is contra/folk dancing in Seattle/Vancouver?
Organization: Johannes Kepler Universitaet Linz
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:08:19 GMT


I will be attending the Visual Languages workship in Seattle Sept. 15-18.

I arrive in Seattle late Sept. 13. and will go to Vancouver for a few
days after Sept. 18.

I would like to join in on some contra dancing or other folk dancing in
the
evenings.

I would be grateful for any information.

Best regards,

Bob
Organization: Doctoral student, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 1992 12:08:03 -0400 
From: Denys Proteau <dp2p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: remedial waltz (was Re: waltz: how fast is danceable?)
	<1992Sep3.113226.6117@IDA.ORG>
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    I am trying to discorage anyone from ever teaching the waltz box
step to absolute beginners.   To make my feelings clear, let me put it
in these tactful words:

    TEACHING THE WALTZ BOX STEP TO BEGINNERS IS EVIL EVIL EVIL!!!!!!!

Ever watch a beginner learning this step?
It's frustrating to watch, it's frustrating to try; on the close step
(3) many beginners do a complete close and put equal weight on both
feet.  Then on the first beat of the next measure, they often cannot
remember which foot to move and in which direction to move it.  The
dancing sort of stops on each third beat, and has to start again on one,
and if both members of the couple are learning, it is common for them to
do incompatable things on beat 1, try to mesh on beat 2, then come to a
stop again by beat 3.  Then they try to start over to continue a new
1-2-3 (or rather a new a different 4-5-6), but by this time they aren't
both on the same beat.  So a beginner has to try to
A) listen to the beat of the music
B) find an agreeable beat with partner
C) THINK about WHICH foot to move after the close steps on beats (3) and (6)
D) THINK about WHERE to move feet on all six beats
E) try to do this in conjunction with a partner.

     This is the same complexity as any challanging Hungarian couples
synchopated dance step or Scandinavian turning dance.  I'm sure that
teaching other waltzing steps first is more encouraging to beginners and
lets them learn the feel of waltz music more quickly.
From: tzf@csl.biosci.arizona.edu (Theron Friedman)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Re: remedial waltz (was Re: waltz: how fast is danceable?)
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:52:31 GMT
Reply-To: tzf@csl.biosci.arizona.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

In article <0edXVXq00WBLI3_Hoa@andrew.cmu.edu>, dp2p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Denys Proteau) writes:
|> 
|>     I am trying to discorage anyone from ever teaching the waltz box
|> step to absolute beginners.   To make my feelings clear, let me put it
|> in these tactful words:
|> 
|>     TEACHING THE WALTZ BOX STEP TO BEGINNERS IS EVIL EVIL EVIL!!!!!!!
|> 

Amen, brother!!!!! :-)

Wirth used to have a quote something like "Teaching a beginner to program in
BASIC ruins them for ever doing anything useful." I feel pretty much the
same way about box-step waltz. 
	In addition to which, it's as easy or easier to teach a basic
turning step. Andrew Tannenbaum had a good posting last year on the
way to do this ... Andrew, you out there? Maybe it's time to repost it?

	terry friedman
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
From: dp2p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Denys Proteau)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Re: waltz: how fast is danceable?
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:44:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Doctoral student, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

From: rhn@netcom.com (Ron Nicholson)
>travel quite rapidly.  International style slow waltz allows enough
>time for steps that split beats to be used (as in 1 2 & 3).  Social
   Do you mean that in 1 2 & 3 there is a step on the &?
I think I have seen this done by the ballroom dancers that meet in my
building, and I have some questions about it:  In what I saw, there was
a pattern of a certain number of (1 2 3)'s and then a single (1 2 & 3). 
Do people ever dance it without a such a specific pattern?  Do people
ever put an & step between the 1 & 2 beats or the 3 & 1?  It seems to me
it could work, but might feel awkward.
   Denys
From: caldwell@astro.as.arizona.edu (Nelson Caldwell)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: English Country Dance Tunes for Piano
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:58:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

I've gotten a piano-playing friend interested in
trying out some english country dance tunes, but belatedly
I realize I've lost the information I once had about the
relevant CDS publications. There's one book by Peter Barnes which has
some arrangements, and perhaps a few others as well.  So my
question is basic:  Does any one know the names of these books,
and if so, could you give me the CDS, New York, phone number and
address?  This friend will be passing through Boston in a few weeks,
if these books are available in Boston that information would also
be appreciated.

Of course there is an as yet unstated theme to this request that
explains why I don't get on the phone myself and call CDS:  my friend 
and I are in South America at present.

thanks
--
caldwell@astro.as.arizona.edu
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From: bobml@mxmsd.msd.measurex.com (Bob LaGesse)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Contra Dancing in the Chicago Area
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:42:22 GMT

Can anyone tell me where there's Contra dancing in the Chicago, Illinois area?
Names of people (with phone numbers) to contact there would be appreciated.
I have an acquaintance moving there from here in Cincinnati.
I'll pass any information on to her.

Thanks!
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From: duncan@ravel.ati.com (Jim Duncan)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Re: query - cassette sound system sources
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:53:46 GMT
Reply-To: duncan@ravel.ati.com (Jim Duncan)
Organization: KUFX 94.5 FM Stereo, San Jose, CA 'The Fox'

In article <BtnuJo.GF9.2@cs.cmu.edu> air@cs.cmu.edu (Alex Rudnicky) writes:
>In article <39@ravel.ati.com> duncan@ravel.ati.com (Jim Duncan) writes:
>> Marantz models appear to have beaucoup problems.  

>Ok, what specific problems have you been experiencing?  I'm curious.

The machines I had originally bought for the station some years ago
have been great; they get beat around in news operation and never
break - of course, the $30 Radio Shack machines have never broken down
in similar service either.  

Problems arose in the last year when I bought one for dance friends to
use at UCSC's main dance studio.  In this case, the machine was never
moved and got light use compared to the older radio station units.

It has been a nightmare.  Just before a recital but within the warranty
period, the machine developed an internal electrical problem (showed as
low resistance across the power supply jack).  I took it to the 'factory
authorized repair center' in San Jose and got it back a month later
only to have the problem recur in a week.  The UCSC people were
furious, and I looked like an idiot, not being able to keep them
supplied with a working cassette machine.  I called the broadcast
distributor and demanded a brand new machine, which they eventually
sent.  This worked fine for 6 months before developing mechanical
problems (causing speed variations). It was embarrassing.

Finally, I tracked down an older used Superscope machine and traded
them for it.  There haven't been any problems, and I'm not expecting
any.  Someday I'll take the Marantz apart and see what went wrong this
time!  

>The Marantz deck we have has worked fine for almost two years.

Great. Take care of that unit, so that hopefully by the time it finally
dies, there'll be reasonably priced, good alternatives to buy.

It has a number  
>of features that make it practical 

And a lot of features that dancers don't need but still end up paying
for.  One problem is that the internal density of this thing is very
high, which makes it hard - and expensive - to fix.  The warranty
station said that dance studios were bringing the things in all the
time, probably at $75 - 100 a pop.   

>The price might be a bit steep (especially for a down-market brand),

A bit steep??!!  How about a lot steep.  Consider that you can buy a
full out boom box with CD player, bass enhancement, graphic EQ, digital
stereo FM receiver, dual cassette decks for sometimes $100 less than
one of these Marantz units.   
-- 
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From: larry@BBN.COM (Larry Denenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing,soc.culture.jewish,bbn.bboard
Subject: Workshop with Edy Sasson
Date: 31 Aug 1992 23:01:26 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Distribution: ne
Reply-To: larry@BBN.COM (Larry Denenberg)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

The MIT Folk Dance Club is sponsoring a workshop with Edy Sasson this
Wednesday, September 2, as part of its regular Wednesday night dance
session.  Edy is a well-known teacher who runs several sessions in
Jerusalem; he also has created several dances himself, many of which
incorporate Kurdish elements and music.

The workshop will take place in Morss Hall on the MIT campus.  Morss is
located in the Walker building, which is just next to the tennis courts
at the corner of Memorial Drive and Ames Street in Cambridge.  Our early
teaching session will be held at 7:00 as usual, followed by the workshop
at 7:30; Edy's teaching will take place during our usual session.

The MIT Folk Dance Club has no admission fee, requesting only a 25 cent
voluntary donation.  Workshops with invited (and paid!) teachers require
us to charge a fee of up to several dollars.  However, because this
workshop could not be advertised until this week, we will be relying on
voluntary donations to pay Edy.  Please come prepared to donate at least
a dollar or two, even though there will be no charge at the door.

/Larry Denenberg
larry@bbn.com
larry@harvard.edu
617-566-7848 (h), 617-873-3323 (w)
From: sagan@mth.msu.EDU (Bruce Sagan)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Dance tempos in Sweden (was "waltz: how fast is dancable")
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:42:09 GMT

There has been a lot of discussion of waltz tempos here and abroad.
It's interesting to note that many dances in Sweden have been slowing
down in recent years.  This led to the amusing situation where one
well-known Swedish musician calculated the year when, if current
trends continue, certain dances will come to a halt.
 
Another anecdote on the same note (a B flat?):  I played solo for
part of a dance in Stockholm this past April.  When I asked for
feedback, the dancers said that they liked my music but all of my
tempos were too fast, with the exception of the Boda polskas.
(Polskas are a Swedish dance form with many villages, e.g., Boda,
having their own variants.)  So I modified all of my polskas except
those from Boda.  Then in July, I played another dance set at the
Buffalo Gap (W VA) Scandinavian Week that my wife and I run.  After
the Bodas, the dancers all fell down on the floor in mock exhaustion:
it was much too slow for them.  Different strokes for different folks
on either side of the Atlantic!
 
-Bruce Sagan
From: holcomg@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Gordon Holcomb)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Dancing in Hilton Head or Savannah
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:12:34 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

I'll be traveling to Hilton Head Island, SC in late September and
I'm looking for any dancing in the area (maybe as far away as 
Savannah, GA).  I'm especially interested in any IFD in the area.

Thanks!

Gordon Holcomb