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From: 7514P%NAVPGS.BITNET@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu (Chris Swett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Sailor Moon
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:03:01 GMT
To: Anime-L <ANIME-L@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>


     It looks like the listserver has barfed and cut off all of us who only
receive r.a.a. by the grace of INTERNET. In any case, here's to posting in the
blind...

     I misspelled Queen Belle's name in the long Sailor Moon synopsis I posted
a few days ago. The katakana reads BE-RI-RU vice BE-RE-RU. Faulty memory this
time rather than faulty hearing. It sounds really weird when pronounced
phonetically and run together with -sama, so make of it what you will.

                                     --- Chris

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From: jly33321@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John L.Yoon )
Subject: Re: Maison Ikkoku Addictions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 06:44:21 GMT

vchan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Victor Chan) writes:

>I love how Godai and Mitaka have the best intentions but are always 
>foiled by something.  Mitaka - dogs, Godai - clumsy mixup in those audio 
>tapes (argh!). :)

>B.anzai   |B  T|  Victor Chan -  Secretary of BAKA    : "Ipatsu!"
one exception off the top of my head.... in the Desert Island OVA, Mitaka
unwittingly up-stages Godai in catching fish.  (while being chased in
the ocean by Souchiro, he un-intentionally scoops up a bunch in his
clothing.... :) :) :)  Had me rolling on the floor..... :)
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From: seawasp@vms.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Arion (was Re: Shows that shouldn't be subtitled/Dubbed)
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:26:50 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: seawasp@pmax1.cis.pitt.edu

In article <37998@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> egamboa@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Emmanuel Gamboa) writes:
>CMH114@psuvm.psu.edu (Mitch) writes:
> 
>|  I was watching Arion subbed last weekend, and as I suffered 
>|  through the horribly hackneyed and soapish dialog, it occured to


>Unfortunately, Sue Shambaugh's translation of Arion (on which many fan
>subs are based on) is horribly poor, very literal in many places.

	This is, very unfortunately, common in translations. I've 
remarked on it before several times. Usually, when people say that
they don't like dubbed shows or subbed shows, they aren't saying
that they wouldn't like to know what the people are actually saying.
What they DO mean is that they don't like the QUALITY of the dubbing
or subbing; in dubbing, this often refers to the lackluster voice actors;
in subbing, it's often the placement or size of the text. In BOTH,
however, the major offender is usually the quality of the translation.

	Often the translations appear to be done without any consideration
for the INTENDED effect/meaning of the words, and only the literal 
meaning of the words comes through -- to ludicrous effect.

	Translations have to be done by people who have the following 
qualifications: 1) they understand the original AND the target language
EXTENSIVELY, and understand the correspondences and implied meanings
and meanings of catch sayings in both. 2) they have to have a WRITER
on staff -- someone who knows how to write GOOD dialogue out of whatever
the meaning is.  3) They have to have GUTS; it may be necessary, for
the purposes of translating the FEELING of the show, to change some
of the translation in order to work IN ANOTHER CULTURE.

	My favorite example is the word "BAKANA!" as used in shows
like Saint Seiya. This is a single word with an apparently simple
translation: "Foolish". 

	This translation, however, would be absolutely stupid and 
hysterically funny if used. Nobody in superhero genre shows shouts
"Foolish" in those situations. The PROPER translation, despite
the change in LITERAL meaning, for "Bakana!" in that situation would
be "IMPOSSIBLE!" or "I don't BELIEVE it!". Or, if being used in an
explanatory mode, it might be possible to use a closer to literal 
"Don't be a fool!".


						Sea Wasp
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From: doi@jrd.dec.com (Hitoshi Doi)
Subject: Re: Video Girl Ai LDs
Organization: DEC Japan Research and Development Center
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:30:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.202520.20595@wdl.loral.com>, dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Predecrement David) writes:
# 1.  How many VGA OAVs are there?

6.

# 2.  What is the release date for the LDs?  What does that mean to
#     someone who buys at Laser Perceptions or Nikaku?

 Video Girl Ai LD
  vol 1 on sale 08.26, VILF-20
  vol 2 on sale 10.21, VILF-21
  vol 3 on sale 12.16, VILF-22
  each has two episodes, 7800 yen
  CAV, color, stereo digital audio, 60 min

# 3.  Will the LDs be one OAV/LD or two OAVs/LD?  (Please, not one!)

Two OVA's per LD.
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From: twax6@isuvax.iastate.edu (Shawne Kleckner)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Anime VHS dupes
Reply-To: twax6@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:29:50 GMT

article <920910113249.19515@csserver.osf.org>, omar@osf.org (Mark Marino) writes:
>
>I'm trying to find some anime vhs tape dupes.  I'm a newbie at this
>(though I have read all the requisite faq's ;^)  ).
>
>Some of the titles that look interesting and that I would like to get
>include:
>
>Project A-Ko
>Ultimate Teacher
>Cream Lemon
>BGC series
>Vampire Princess Miyu series
>Gunbusters series
>Dominion series
>Gall Force series
>Captian Harlock
>Midnight Eye Goku
>
>I'm willing to send/buy tapes, pick up return P+H, and kick in $$$ for
>your time.  If anyone is willing to send me any of this stuff, please
>let me know.  Preferably dubs or subs, cuz I don't speak any Japanese.
>
>Many thanx in advance,
>Mark
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>| Mark Marino              | omar@osf.org             | uunet!osf!omar        |
>| Open Software Foundation | 11 Cambridge Center      | Cambridge, MA 02142   |
>|_____________________________________________________________________________|

Am I to understand that you are looking for someone to PURCHASE these 
videotapes, or are you asking for someone to make copies?  If it is the latter,
please stop.  Video pirates are not high up on my list.  The FAQ contains
lists of the original manufacturers of these videos, from which you can
order them.

Shawne Kleckner


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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject: Re: BGC Laserdiscs....
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:23:45 GMT
Keywords: Anyone getting rid of theirs?

In article <1992Sep4.124138.2588@nic.csu.net>, ramberg@futon.SFSU.EDU (James Ramberg) writes:
> AnimEigo kami ( forgot your name ..): I s it considered a violation in
> copyright for someone to do an LD to tape dub.. as long as its not
> done for profit ???

Not if you own the original LD.  But if you're making a copy from someone
else's LD, or giving the copy away, then you're in trouble.

Profit has nothing to do with it.

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From: pearl@remus.rutgers.edu (Starbuck)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Silent Moebius
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:53:29 GMT
Organization: the Worlds Welfare Work Association, Rutgers Anime division

In article <Bu6Ep8.LKq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> daf31428@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (David A. Fleming) writes:

> 
> >PS- Rutgers Anime is showing  a subtitled copy of Silent Mobius this
> >semester. Don't ask me where it came from though, I just work here.
> 
> 	The problem is, the subbed version I've seen is the biggest joke since
> Highlander II.  I'm under the impression that whoever did it has barely any
> knowledge of the language, and just used the comics to fill things in.  This is
> the only way I can explain the huge amount of material in the titles that
> _wasn't_ actually spoken.  That, and mixing up "kuru zo" and "ckikusho" (:-)...


Our subbed copy uses the script that was posted by (Operation X??, I
forget the original author).  It looked good at a brief glance but I
don't know enough Japanese to fully criticize it.  (At least it wasn't
Macekered)

Steve
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From: michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Animego BGC covers
Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 14:40:23 GMT
Organization: JAFWA, Cal-Animage Zeta, Perth, Western Australia


In article <1992Sep8.225048.23833@csus.edu> kilpatri@nextnet.csus.edu writes:
 > Well, on page 81 of the big B-Club special BGC book there are pictures of 
 > every BGC CD,CD Single, and LD ever done for BGC.  The LD cover for BGC1 was
 > the same as the CD cover, but the LD cover didn't have the Katakana on it.
 > I aw the cover for BGC1 from animego and it's not that.  They used
 > Sonada art probably, but not the same pictures that appeared on the covers 
 > listed in my book.  I may be wrong about some, but I am sure I am right
 > about #1.

Ah, but you forget that in the japanese version, the LD and video tape
had different covers. Don't believe me? Get the VISION artbook
(Sonoda's first artbook). It has all the covers, different versions,
etc.

My guess is that AnimEigo will use the LD covers for their LD release.
After all, they're trying to preserve the way the originals were
released. :)

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From: tkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tonghyun Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Silent Mobeus - Sailing
Date: 14 Sep 92 06:38:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <6784@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> FARQUHAR%SNYSYRV1.BITNET@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU writes:
>Just saw SILENT MOBEUS 1 (Subtitled), it was pretty good. The story
>was kinda jumbled but I guess that's why you have pre-planned sequels!
>  The thing I liked most about the film was the Song durring the closing
>credits (and all of the coming attractions! Gee, you'd think they'd find
>a place for it somewhere IN the movie, or durring the OPENING credits!).
>All I know about the song (besides the translation of the lyrics
>thanks to those guys at Project X) is that it's called SILENT MOBEUS - SAILING
>does anyone know who sings this song? Have the done anything I might have heard
>before this? I normally don't like the music in ANIME (with the exception
>of the film TO-Y which had some really cool tune by PSYS and the others).
>Well let me know!

Glad to hear that you enjoyed Silent Mobius subbed by us (Operation
X). (^_^) The group who did the ending song is Tokyo Shonen and
they also did an ED song for Ranma called "Present." Unfortunately
the group broke up because the singer Sasano Michiru (who also wrote
lyrics) decided to devote all her time on school works.


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*                      Operation X/UC HERALD                      *
*                                                                 *
*  A. Delaz Dead (UC0048-0083). But the spirit of Jion lives on.  *
*                            SIEG JION!                           *
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From: rmills@controls.ccd.harris.com (Richard C. Mills)
Subject: Shogun Warriors
Organization: Harris Controls and Composition
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:47:38 GMT

	I'm sure someone out there remembers the comic Shogun Warriors,
but does anyone out there know if it was anime first? or if it was in anything
other than comic book format?

		Thanks,

		Richard

rmills@ccd.harris.com
From: macedo%UFRJVMS1.BITNET@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU (Sergio Ricardo F. Macedo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: What wrong?
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:27:00 GMT
Priority:     urgent
P1-Message-Id: br*rnp*ufrj;920915182751
X400-Trace:   br*rnp*ufrj; arrival Tue, 15 Sep 92 18:27+0300 action Relayed
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Importance:   high


	The same's happening with me. Just now, 9/15/1992 6:15pm, I'm receiving
something. The mails're arriving with no pattern: some days no one, some days
a few, some days lots.

	Please, Mr. Listowner, fix it, if and ASAP.

	Thanks in advance.
		Sergio Macedo
			<macedo@ufrjvms1>
From: tkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tonghyun Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Silent Moebius
Date: 7 Sep 92 05:41:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep7.033231.27223@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Kimagure@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Orange Road Addict) writes:
>In article <Bu6Ep8.LKq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> daf31428@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (David A. Fleming) writes:
>>
>>	The problem is, the subbed version I've seen is the biggest joke since
>>Highlander II.  I'm under the impression that whoever did it has barely any
>>knowledge of the language, and just used the comics to fill things in.  This is
>>the only way I can explain the huge amount of material in the titles that
>>_wasn't_ actually spoken.  That, and mixing up "kuru zo" and "ckikusho" (:-)...
>
>
> Funny... subtitled copy of the Silent Mobius that I've seen was excellent.
> Translation was top-notch.... I guess there are more then one translation
> done for the movie....

I didn't know that there were people other than us (Operation X) who
subbed Silent Mobius. Anyway, there is only one occurence of
"Kuruzo! (He's coming!)" in Silent Mobius (spoken by Grospolina
before the flashback) and I'm pretty sure that I didn't screw it up.


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From: tkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tonghyun Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Exon/Intron Depot (was Re: Looking for Dominion Stuff.)
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:15:35 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep4.222602.13293@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach) writes:
>In article <37693@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, tkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tonghyun Kim) writes:
>> In article <cwmnfs.genef@netcom.com> genef@netcom.com (Gene Fornario) writes:
>> 
>> >Shirow also mentions an "Exon Depot", do you know anything about that?
>> 
>> No idea.
>
>A Guess:
>I think that was the original foreign name of INTRON DEPOT, before it was
>decided to make both editions the same.

But Shirow was saying in the preface to Intron Depot 1 that he
doesn't plan to include Exon Depot color series in Intron Depot 1 - N.
Oh well, I guess we'll have to wait and see. :)


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From: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Subject: Yawara LIVE! (was: Re: Video Girl LIVE)
Reply-To: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:48:11 GMT

In article <Sep.11.13.27.29.1992.3714@remus.rutgers.edu> pearl@remus.rutgers.edu (Starbuck) writes:
>
>What amazed me in the Yawara!  Live Action movie was the makeup job on
>Yawara's grandfather...  He looked just like the manga version!
>
>Has anyone actually seen the Live Ai movie?  
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Yeah, the makeup job was great!  The only problem I had with Jigoro
was that he was *taller* than Yawara was.  :-)

For an example of a good live-action adaptation of an anime/manga
series, I'd recommend the "Yawara!" movie.  Too bad I can't say
the same for the "Maison Ikkoku" movie...

I'll probably be looking for the "Video Girl Ai" movie, just out
of morbid curiosity... :-)

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From: UFTRINGJ%BABSON.BITNET@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU (John Uftring, As confused as I want to be.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Iczer-3 laserdiscs for sale!
Date: 13 Sep 92 17:20:00 GMT
To: ANIME-L@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU
X-Envelope-To: ANIME-L@VTVM1.BITNET
X-Vms-To: IN%"ANIME-L@VTVM1.BITNET"

Date sent:  13-SEP-1992 12:18:11

> Subj: Iczer-3 laserdiscs for sale!
> From: Jyan-ken <@CUNYVM.BITNET:ucivax!bonnie.ics.uci.edu!rang@vtserf.cc.vt.edu
   >

> As the subject says, I'm selling Iczer-3 OVA LD's..
>
> Iczer-3 (vol 3 -6)  $28 for each; $112 for all 4 Ld's.
>

Hi, I am interested.  Send me e-mail directly, so I don't have to waste
bandwidth here.  I tried all possible combinations of your return address
above, and they all bounced.  Thanks.

     My address is in my sig below.

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From: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: RobotJox
Date: 7 Sep 1992 05:38:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
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In a previous article, rb6t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Everett Brunskill) says:

>Hi guys, if you're looking for something to watch I can get a copy of
>RobotJox (live action Mecha).  Some of you have probably seen it
>already, the story isn't the best story in the world but it's pretty
>cool to see at least once.

You know what I thought was interesting about this movie?  At one point,
the two 'bots fly into orbit.  One hits the other with a missle and
THERE'S NO NOISE!  Nearly every SF film I've ever seen ignored this
little fact of physics.

I just thought it was funny that a campy movie like RobotJox that wasn't
too concerned with scientific accuracy would do that.

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From: winata@cae.wisc.edu (Charles Winata)
Subject: BGC song 'Never the end' lyric and translation needed
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:54:26 CDT

Hi all anime fans!!!

Well, I guess the subject says it all....Is there anybody that have the lyric
for Never the End, sung by Priss/Knight sabers/whatever it's in the BGC
volume 7 as the ending theme.... and if u can please include the translation.
Thanks a lot in advance. Hmmm please response by email, since i can't keep
up with anime traffics all the time :)

Chuck
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From: jly33321@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John L.Yoon )
Subject: Re: "Silent Mobius" as Robotech? They GOTTA be kidding.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:09:08 GMT

michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte) writes:


>In article <BuFDsB.9ux@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jly33321@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
> > (I think the sub was done around the time that Uncle Carl got the 
> > rights for Silent Mobius....providing a little inspiration?)

>The sub couldn't have been made back then. He had the rights by the
>time of AnimeCon '91, when no-one had even seen it on video yet.

But who knew?  It wasn't common knowledge until much latter.
I wonder if Uncle Carl has any other little secrets.....<shudder> 


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