From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: (no subject given)
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:22:49 GMT

>>>Iron Maiden (before no prayer)
>
>>Some people (including me) find FEAR OF THE DARK a brilliant return after a
>>one album hiatus in creativity, though even NO PRAYER can hardly be considered
>>poser either.
>
>Fear of the Dark was a pathetic attempt to return to Maiden's past...with
>lyrics that sounded like they were to stupid to be made into earlier songs
>that were thrown together for this album.  No prayer was as sad as Bruce's
>lame solo album.  Hell they had a top 10 song on that album and you call it
>non-poser.  There were only three decent songs on Fear of the Key and one

Top 10 song doesn't make a band poser. You call "Run To The Hills," "Running
Free," "Aces High," "2 Minutes To Midnight," etc. poser? Maiden has had a lot
of Top 10 things over in the UK. Even their demo "Prowler" was number one on
the charts for weeks. 

>on no prayer for the old metal bands.  Also Iron Maiden can suck my dick
>for dropping Riggs as there artist.  They claimed he was not original
>enough for there music...wrong they're not original enough for his artistry!
>Nobody but Riggs should draw Eddie for their albums/singles!!!!
>
Where did you get that info?! The way I heard it Riggs had too much to do at
the time so they had to get someone else, but in the future Riggs and the 
other guy are collaborating together on ALL Maiden artwork.

>>as with Sepultura and Deicide, some people claim these guys to be poser,
>>selling out by doing thrash instead of just heavy metal as they did before
>>Anselmo.
>What are you talking about?  Pantera was a flaming poser band til
>Anselmo came along and corrected there ways.  Actually anselmo should
>just drop this under talented band and get one of his own.

read some of the Pantera posts on alt.rnr.metal.heavy to see what I'm talking
about with Pantera. Lots of people thought they are now posers and were fine
before Anselmo, though most generally still like Pantera's stuff.
>
>>Then you aren't a fan of any band in particular and therefore can't speak
>>from the point of view of a fan. You seem to only like certain songs, but
>>that's it. That's sort of posing in a way.
>
>What does this mean?  I like albums as a whole, I don't buy an album
>cause it has one or two hit songs.  When more than two songs suck I find
>the album a sad pathetic (probably poserific) album.

I don't either. I buy albums based on the band I like and if I don't like the
album I don't listen to it. Either that or I just let it grow on me, depending
on the albums' merits. If more than two songs suck, though, that's not
enough criteria to say it's a poser album. More than half, yeah, it's a 
pathetic album.
>
>>But notice that who you don't consider posers there are people who do.
>>Some people would consider your heavy metal list "wimp's listening material."
>>I listen to only a few things you listen to, preferring stuff like the
>>Desolation Angels, Witchfynde, Black Axe, Mendes Prey, Tytan, Gaskin, A-II-Z,
>>Quartz, Raven, Angel Witch, and Satan (ever hear of them?), and some
>>people accuse lots of these bands for being just pop pseudo-Satanic bullshit,
>>but it's all a matter of taste. I know that in my collection only Witchfynde
>>were Satanic and the rest of the stuff is just a band doing some stuff because
>>they know the mainstream would find the music and lyrics repugnant.
>
>I've heard alot of bands, and I also don't know all the names of the
>bands I heard.  I don't have infinite knowledge of all metal bands in
>existance.  That's what this newsgroup is for to introduce new metal
>to others and talk about METAL BANDS.  I don't want poser bands cluttering
>up this newsgroup.

Good to hear that you're actually realistic about certain things.
>
>>Most of what you seem to listen to is just the same. The band usually doesn't
>>care too much about the lyrics except making sure they fit their attitude
>>and that they can sing it while playing their instruments.
>Oh! so then cause I post about only metal bands in a metal group my
>musical collection is limited only to the diversity of metal.  Obviously,
>if I listen to other non-metal music I won't post it here like every
>other fuckin' moron spawned in this newsgroup
>
They post about it only if it relates to heavy metal. If Glenn Danzig, as
you earlier posted, were to do something with Genesis that would be something
interesting to talk about here, but Genesis of course doesn't belong
otherwise. As long as it has some relevance to heavy metal, then I think
it should be posted here. Glenn Danzig is obviously relevant to metal, so
should he do something non-metal, it's still within the group's boundaries
if his non-metal stuff is related back to his metal stuff in discussion. As
for the poser shit, who cares if they can play? Again, being a poser as you
call it doesn't mean you can't play, it means you gave up your dignity and
your creativity just to earn a few fast bucks and a few minutes on the news
for every small thing you do.

wei hao
Wei Hao Wang                            E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"Where would we be without the ability to let our minds wander? And where could
 we go if our emotions were submerged down under our souls? Their master
 control plan will fail as the young minds prevail in pure genetic wisom."
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