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From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Kerry Blue Weight Puller (was Hunting ability in Labradors)
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:09:49 GMT
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

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In article <1992Aug27.054128.2579@auto-trol.com> bradav@auto-trol.com (Brad
Davidson) writes:
>Who says a toy breed can not work? I know of a number of toy breeds that do
>weight pulling and they are quite good.
>The outstanding ones are:
..............................other small dogs deleted................
>Sally, a 8 pound Kerry Blue Terrier that pulled 250 pounds on wheels as a
        ^^^^^^^^^
>    rookie.

This comment is unrelated to the original topic/thread, but there must be a
typo above. A Kerry Blue Terrier adult that weighs only eight pounds is
significantly below the standard (33-40 lbs), and is unlikely to be purebred.
On the other hand, I find it difficult to believe that an 8 lb dog of any
breed can pull 250 lbs. (But I've been wrong before!)

Marget Johnson

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:25:38 -0400 
From: "Sandra J. Harris" <sh4d+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Feeding Dogs Veggies and Fruit?

I feed my dogs bits of fruits and raw veggies a lot (besides their main
dog food);  I like to think that's why they're in such good shape!  They
love carrots, beans, cucumbers, bananas, all melons, especially
watermelon, apples, peaches, grapes are a biggie......

I haven't heard of anything wrong with dogs having veggie/fruit treats....

mine would be sad without them!

Sandy
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: AKC Breeder Referral
Date: 31 Aug 92 07:15:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

On September 14, 1992, the AKC will have a new program for breeder
referral. The number for this is 1-900-407-7877. What will happen is
that when you call this number you will indicate the breed you are
interested in and where you live and they will give you the number of a
breeder referral person in your area who will help you locate a
reputable breeder nearest you. The idea is to connect potential dog
owners with local breed clubs and in turn resonsible breeders.

I think this is a great idea! Hopefully it will put some of the Puppy
Millers out of business. So if you know of someone looking for a dog,
give them this number.

Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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From: kim@castle.wpd.sgi.com (Kim Rachmeler)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: S**t eating dog
Keywords: Stinky! |~{(>
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:06:39 GMT
Reply-To: kim@wpd.sgi.com
Organization: SGI CASE Products Group

In article <1992Aug26.200612.11456@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, carruth@mksol.dseg.ti.com (matthew carruth) writes:
|> I've got a dog who goes nuts for cat's litter box.  It really is 
|> disgusting, but the only solution I've found is to keep the poop 
|> separated from the pooch.
|> -----------------------------------------------------------------

	My dog had this problem too but I think she's almost cured now.
  We keep the cat's litter box in the bathroom next to the shower
  facing the wall.  The cat can get in easily but the dog has to
  move the box to raid it.  We set a trap by putting an empty 
  bucket on top of the shower door and tying it to the litter box so
  that when the dog moved the box, the bucket would clatter down
  on top of it.  We then left the dog alone with access to the
  bathroom.  When we came back later that night, the bucket 
  was out in the hall and the dog wouldn't go anywhere near 
  the bathroom. We're keeping the trap set for another week but I 
  think the one experience has convinced the dog that the litter box 
  is haunted. :-)

	Kim Rachmeler
	kim@wpd.sgi.com
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From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Subject: Re: Inexpensive Puppy Toys
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:19:39 GMT

In article <kathy_buetow-020992105441@physio103-1.life.uiuc.edu> kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow) writes:
>Hi there everyone !  
>
>Someone posted a note a while back about inexpensive toys for puppies 
>and now I can't find it.....oh well, here are some of the things I do for
>my puppies:
>
> ... several great ideas deleted ...

Another thing is paper grocery bags.  My adult dog still likes to "kill" and
shred them, and the puppy loves them.  They make a satisfying amount of
noise when shaken....

We subscribe to the "there ought to be something that's ok to chew within
four feet of a puppy at all times" school of puppy raising.  Having lots
of cardboard (tp rolls are good, too) and brown paper around makes it 
possible to do this without going broke....

It *is* funny to watch them shaking up a box that is far bigger than
they are!

One addition to the suggestion of stuffed animals -- try to get stuffed
animals that were stuffed with fiberfill instead of shredded foam.  The
foam makes a MUCH bigger mess, and is bad for them if they eat it.  Animals
made from fake fleece seem to last longer than ones made of other materials.

Children's squeaky toys can also be acquired cheaply at garage and rummage
sales.  These are a "mom is watching"-only toy at our house, so that the
toys aren't shredded and consumed....
From: shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Strange and Alarming Behaviour in Tazi
Date: 1 Sep 1992 23:37:09 -0700
Organization: Fathers' Rights & Equality Exchange
NNTP-Posting-Host: gw.home.vix.com

My 14 year old daughter came home from a month at her father's this
past weekend.  Previous to being gone for a month she was here all the
time, and Tazi knows her.  She is a regular part of the household [my
daughter..and Tazi too for that matter].

The minute Tazi saw Jessica at the airport she wriggled with pleasure,
rushed past me to get to Jessica, and was very excited to see her.

When Jess got home from school yesterday, during the entire time that
Jess was home alone prior to my arriving home [a period of several
hours] Tazi didn't let her out of her sight.  She would follow her
from room to room, and lay down near her, wherever she was.

Today when Jessica got home from school she went out into the yard
where Tazi was playing with her daytime playmate, a 4 month old
puppy.  When Tazi saw Jess she apparently started barking at her, and
rushed up to her and started jumping on her.  I wasn't home, and by
the description I chalked it up to an over excited Tazi.

When I got home the three of us went to the store.  I noticed Tazi was
whining a bit in the car, which is unusual.  I'd noticed her doing
that for the past few days around the house, and at my office [where
she visits on Saturday] as well.  Sort of walking around and doing a
doggie whimper...not often..maybe once or so a day.

Well, tonight I was on the floor in the family room, stretching, and
Tazi was asleep beside me.  Jess came into the doorway of the family
room, started to speak, and Tazi JUMPED up, ears flat back, barked and
growled at and rushed Jessica.  Jessica of course screamed and ran, so
of course Tazi chased her.

We have NO clue as to what this behaviour was, let alone what caused
it.  Tazi immediately was her old self, wagging her tail at Jess, etc,
after this happened.  My mind is racing looking for explanations.. she
was asleep and Jess startled her and in her sleep haze she didn't
recognize Jess...or for some reason after a month alone with just me
in the house she has forgotten that there is someone else who belongs
in the house...or even she wasn't seriously growling/barking/rushing
[she does have this hellatious growl/bark that sounds like "I want to
rip your throat out" which she uses at other dogs when in fact she is
dying to get at them to *play*].

Does anyone have ANY ideas about this?  Jessica is of course very
apprehensive to be home along with Tazi now, and I am just totally
baffled. 

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From: shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Feeding Dogs Veggies and Fruit?
Date: 24 Aug 1992 07:57:50 -0700
Organization: Fathers' Rights & Equality Exchange
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Tazi will eat almost anything, so far..she loves raw baby carrots,
slices of zucchini, you name it.

I was talking to a fellow dog owner yesterday, however, and she
related to me that her vet chastized her one day, upon discovering
that both she and her dog had had cantalope with breakfast.  Her vet's
philosophy is that dog food is all a dog should have, ever.

This led me to wonder about my own practices.  I never give Tazi any
'treat' unless she has already eaten her own meal..but I figured
eating pieces of fresh veggies could only be good for her, or at least
certainly not bad  [I've avoided high acid veggies, like tomatos].

Any thoughts/input on this?


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From: dencisco@eos.arc.nasa.gov (David Paul Encisco)
Subject: Cancer and specific breeds?
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:08:08 GMT

I ran into a new Bernese Mountain Dog owner last night and
we talked about the breed and among other things, the breed's
high rate of cancer (which I knew nothing about). Apparently,
one of the Packards (of HP fame) is even doing (or funding) a
study regarding this particular breed's aptness for cancer 
related deaths.

The first question that came to mind: is there any articles or
books about cancers that are common among dogs?

Second, is it assumed to be a hereditary disorder? Are some
breeds more prone than others?

My childhood mutt died of cancer, but hell the dog was sixteen.
I never thought cancer was that common in youthful dogs. This
Bernese owner seemed to think so.

Dave
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: abb@unislc.uucp (Anne Beck)
Subject: Re: Akitas
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:37:12 GMT

From article <1992Sep2.215013.3093@oakhill.sps.mot.com>, by whooper@oakhill.sps.mot.com (William Hooper):
> I am thinking about getting an Akita sometime in the
> unspecified future, and have a couple of questions.
> First, does anyone happen to know how you say "bear"
> in Japanese?  My wife and I thought Bear might be a
> good name for an Akita, but was wondering how it would
> sound in Japanese (seems to make sense for a Jap. dog).

It's Kuma (kooma).

> 
> Also, what are net.people's experiences with Akitas
> (good, bad, and indifferent)?  The dogs that the breeder
> I know has seem to like people very much and are not
> too dog aggressive.  I already have 2 female Shelties, so
> I was thinking about a male Akita (supposed to keep tensions
> down some).  Anyway, feel free to post or e-mail replies,
> I will watch the newsgroup to make sure I don't miss any.
> Thanks in advance.
> 
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From: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Subject: Weight Pulling
Reply-To: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Lab
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 20:12:19 GMT

|> 
|> Who says a toy breed can not work? I know of a number of toy breeds that do
|> weight pulling and they are quite good.
|> 
|> The outstanding ones are:
|> Bridgette, a 14 pound poodle that pulls 525 pounds on wheels, 245 pounds on
|>     snow.
|> Punky, a 14 pound Chinese Crested that pulled 500 pounds on wheels.
|> Sally, a 8 pound Kerry Blue Terrier that pulled 250 pounds on wheels as a
|>     rookie.
|> 
|> Punky appears in the AKC video on Chinese Cresteds pulling.
|> 
|> So who says that Toy Breeds can not work.  I believe a breeder that does
|> anything more then showing is better than just showing.
|> 
|> Weight pulling a great sport for you and your dogs.
|> 

 
Brad,
  Tell us more about weight pulling:
   is this a competition open to all breeds/
   is brute force the main requirement or is training involved?
   what is its purpose, fun, or has it come about because of sled  
   and cart dogs?
   is it hard on the dogs or does training eliviate this?
   etc.
 -kayti

p. s. I wouldn't really call a Kerry Blue Terrier a toy, I don't know
      the exact size but they're one of the largest terriers.
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From: betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,chi.forsale
Subject: Borzoi needs home
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:25:54 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago


The West Suburban Humane Society has a gorgeous borzoi (Russian Wolfhound)
that is in desperate need of a home.  Zoro is a black and white male who
is painfully thin, even for a borzoi.  He is a very calm, older dog who
was picked up by animal control; his owners refused to pick him up so
Zoro was scheduled to be euthanized when the humane society took him in.
Unfortunately he's too large for the beds we have for him so he's sleeping
on the concrete floor waiting for a home.

People who are not acquainted with borzois often have misconceptions about
the breed.  Although they are very large (tall) they are extremely gentle
animals, and Zoro is no exception.  They are generally very docile, and
work out well as indoor dogs.  Zoro, as most borzois, is very quiet--
I have never heard him bark.  I've seen him interact with a few small
children and other dogs with no problems, but that, of course, is no
guarantee.  Zoro would do well in a home that has no stairs.  A large
apartment or condo with an elevator would be fine.  A ranch style 
house would be wonderful.  He is absolutely gorgeous with a beautiful
coat, but needs to put on a few pounds.  Although he looks like a
dog bred for running, he will not need excessive exercise.  He will need
conscientious grooming--every few days, for which he is very patient.
When he wants a little attention, he sidles up to you and gently leans
to remind you that he's there.  It is hard to think of a sweeter, gentler
dog that is more in need of a new owner.

If you are interested in seeing Zoro, or any of the 19 other dogs at
the West Suburban Humane Society, you can see him 1901 W. Ogden Ave.,
Downers Grove. MTWF 11-2; M-F 7-9; S&S 11-3.  


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From: us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs and swimming - oh no !!
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:34:23 GMT
Organization: 3M - St. Paul, MN  55144-1000 US

From article <1992Sep2.163040.15571@col.hp.com>, by lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson):
> us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi) writes:
>> I was out swimming over my head and here she comes a-swimming toward
>> me.  She gets to me and puts her paws on my shoulders and down I
>> go over my head.  I surface and she pushes me down again.  I think -
>> MAN I could drown out here.  I couldn't swim away because she is
>> faster.  I couldn't keep my head above water because she was resting
>> on me.  I tried holding her paws but that pushed me under water too.
> 
> My dogs don't swim, but I feel fairly sure that if they did this, I could
> say "NO" (like I meant it!) and they'd desist.  This isn't meant to be
> a flame, but, well, it's going to sound like one, well, maybe this is
> meant to be a flame...
> 
> Was your dog totally out of control?? Doesn't she know what "NO" means??
>
No, it doesn't sound like a flame.

I probably told her NO, and then looked for shore.

I have never ever trained my dog while I was 9/10ths
submerged in a lake.  I don't know how
she would respond to her dad's head bobbing in the water giving
commands.  I can't correct her.  Plus, I just wanted to get to
land - (yes, panic).


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From: loftis@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Loftis)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs and Jogging
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:37:16 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server


	Hello Dave,

	Congradulations on getting a new dog.

|Should one wait until their dog is a certain age
|before one takes them jogging? Maybe I should be
|more specific since different breeds develop at
|different rates. But it would seem to me that not
|all breeds are suited for jogging (actually I run,
|not jog). Which brings me to my second question. 
|What breeds like to run with their owners?

YES, you should wait on a puppy before you start running (I do not jog
either) with it.  Since you could damage the skeleton and other parts of
the anatomy with hard training.  I would recommend short walks in the
beginning, slowly workking up to longer distances (since it is a puppy).

All dogs can run, just as all humans can, but remember they all vary.  I
would like to remind you that the Bernese Mountain Dog is large, it was
breed for specific tasks.  I would have to guess that if the dog is full
grown, you would probably be able to fast jog/slow run a couple of miles
with the dog.  But it would require water and lots of attention in not
overheating (unless you run in the snow ;-) ).

Enjoy your new dog,  Kirk 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Question for "guard" type dog owners
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:17:45 GMT

In article <rasmussenc.27.0@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu>
    rasmussenc@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu writes:
 
>
>
>Something just occurred to me now that I have a new Doberman puppy, and I
>was wondering what you all do.    When you go out of town, are you able to
>have house-sitters or neighbors come to your house to feed your dog(s)?
>If so, do you have to go through certain introduction measures?
 
In addition to my Lab, I also have a German Shepard.  He is VERY
protective of his space.  We have never had a problem with having a
friend that HE knows comming by to feed him.  Even my inlaws were able
to do this, and they only visit a couple of times a year.
 
Of course, your milage may vary....
 
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From: smm1@troy.uucp (22142-michelson)
Subject: Re: IAMS dog food
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 16:28:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.184445.18385@linus.mitre.org> bds@mbunix.mitre.org (Smith) writes:
>another dog.  These days, our 8 month old puppy has always been on
>Purina Puppy Chow, and does very good, except that his stools are a
>little soft.  We tried IAMS, but he wouldn't touch it.  So we tried
>Science Diet, and he loves it, his stools are much better, but he
>seems to have started scratching.  We switched back to Puppy Chow, and
>he's no longer scratching, but his stools are soft again.  So we'll
>keep looking.

I'd like to suggest switching back to Science Diet, and adding Linatone to
the food. Linatone is an oily substance (sort of like vegetable oil) that
is supposed to be very good for a dogs skin, and might reduce or eliminate 
the scratching. You might have the best of all worlds then.

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: hecht@hsi.com (Alice Hecht)
Subject: Are dogs color blind?
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford, CT
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:17:37 GMT

I remember hearing a long time ago that dogs are color blind.  Is this true?

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rhuls@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (Robbin Huls)
Subject: Re: Muzzle Training?
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:22:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.141826.2154@midway.uchicago.edu> karen@dent.uchicago.edu (Karen Swanson) writes:
>In article <21020152@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> shaw@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Shaw Moldauer) writes:
>>In rec.pets.dogs, kika.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
>>
>>> <story of dog eating house and contents, question about using muzzle>
>>  <suggestion of duct taping dog's mouth closed with forbidden
>>                  substance/object inside>
>
>How cruel!  I would think that crate training might just be the best
>alternative for everyone...including the dog.  A crate can be a very 
>comforting place for dogs left home alone, plus there is the bonus that he/she
>won't be eating everything in sight!  Please don't duct-tape your dogs muzzle!
>(Would you tape your two-year-old child's mouth shut for putting random
>objects in his mouth?)

Be careful what you ask, you may not get the answer you thought.  I
stopped my mother from shoving my puppy's nose in it's accident, got
very angry, gave her all the reasons for NOT doing that, and finished
with "Would you do that to potty train a child?"  She responded that
while she had not done that, she had a friend who did.  Unfortunately,
I already disliked the woman (for other reasons), and could believe it.
Our dogs really do live better than some (many?) children. :-(

Robbin
From: rhuls@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (Robbin Huls)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: SHOCK COLLARS (go ahead flame ME!!)
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:12:51 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak

In article <1992Sep2.223808.10544@pony.Ingres.COM> jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger) writes:
>young@alw.nih.gov writes:
>> If you have a voice (loud and strong) enough to train a big-running
>> pointer or german shorthair for field work more power to you.
>
>Good reason to train hand motions with voice.
>
>Of course, a noisy city is another reason.

Having your 12 year old dog go deaf is another.  I didn't intentionally
train her with body language, but once I figured out what she was doing,
I could emphasize the body language, and Kelsey (my 2 year old) has been
learning hand/body signals from day 1.