HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: The man without a number
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 04:57:21 GMT

keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer) writes:

>	I could have sworn that I saw some postings from somebody in prison.
>	Now who was that?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't someone named
>	Dorsey or something like that, post about his unfortunate run-in
>	with our brethern the police?

>	anyone else remember that post?

Sure do. Don't tell me you believed it?  :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles:29089 talk.bizarre:27644
From: dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Lubrication
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:42:31 GMT
Organization: Naval Medical Research & Development Command

In article <1992Aug25.195539.1638@c3.PLA.CA.US> niall@c3.PLA.CA.US (Neal Bedard) writes:
>Norton Commando or (dry-sump) Triumph Bonneville or (wet-sump) FJ1200. On the
>other hand, that CBR mill starts looking mighty rosy when one views it through
                                                 ^^^^
>the right-hand grip...
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Now is that a poor choice of words, or what?
-- 
I love the 3b2
The 3b2 is my friend.
From: kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: My bike got vandalized last night
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:21:36 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <17dvlrINN5r@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
> In article 166@remus.rutgers.edu, kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz) writes:
] >
] > and because any
] >place of business is responsible for security in their parking area.
] 
] No, they're not.  They may be liable, *if* it can be demonstrated that,
] through deliberate action or gross neglegence, they did not exercise
] the necessary care in looking after the contents of their parking lot.

It need not be gross negligence.  It is simple negligence.  If it were
deliberate action or gross negligence, then there could be criminal
charges as well.

] They are *not* automatically responsible for everything that occurs.

I did not say that they were.

 
] >NJ has very strict bar liability laws.  I know, I've bartended here
] >for 5 years, and I managed a bar for about a year.   
 

] > the bar is still liable for making
] >sure he doesn't do anything stupid.  
] 
] Not only are they not liable for his stupidity, they probably could not
] do anything to control his actions without violating his civil rights.

Okay, add 'while drunk' to the above quote.  And once he is out of
control, protecting others and their property from him is not
violationg his rights.  Certainly it is not part of his civil rights
to tresspass.  


] 
] >	If you offer goods or a service for profit, you are inviting
] >the public to park on your property, and you are liable for their
] >safety and the safety of their property.  
] 
] The degree of care you must exercise in looking after that property
] depends on whether the bailment is for hire or not.
Right. If it were an auto repair shop (your example) he would be
required to have a bond posted to cover damages that could be incurred
to others' property, certain lighting and fencing to protect the cars,
etc.

   A bar is required to have liability insurance, to offer non-alcoholic
drinks, to not serve drunk people, etc.

] NOTE:  I'm no attorney.  The above interpretation is based on general
] principles of California law, and may or may not apply to bars in NJ.
] 

Again, I don't like the trend of "nothing is anybody's fault" or the
rash of 1-800-shyster commercials on TV.

However,  I feel that more should have been done to prevent something
like this.    

	And, whoever mentioned that I shouldn't drink and drive, I
didn't. 

						Kevin
From: ps3p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Peter A. Simon)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: I want my DOD number!!! (you better let him have one...)
Date: 30 Aug 92 16:25:15 GMT
	<1992Aug29.000005.29211@news.nd.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Richard.A.Swift.1@nd.edu (Richard A. Swift) sez:

[stuff deleted]

>Man, DWB, that stings.... straight from the mouth of a DOD GOD. I stand
>chastised before the DOD community (wimper, wimper...). Where is this
>KEEPER OF THE LIST? Is he a DOD GOD, demi-god, or just some brown-nosin',
>pussy-assed pee-on who is forced to be some kind of newsgroup secretary...
> 
>SHOW YOURSELF KOTL, AND GIVE ME MY NUMBER!!!!
> 
> 
>Rich Swift
>DOD # ------------- I AINT GOT ONE YET!

The Gods and demi-johns et al are just having you on, Rich.  They're
going to kill me for telling you this but they're just a bunch of
poseurs anyway so here goes:  The way it works here is you assign
yourself a number.  They'll give you a bunch a shit for awhile for doing
it but just stick to your guns. Whatever number you choose for yourself
is yours for life.  

Clue (since you don't have one):  Try #0111.  I hear it's up for grabs. 
Owner isn't using it much, anyway.

 

-peter

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner)
Subject: Re: Comments on R65?
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 18:40:14 GMT
Reply-To: Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com>
Organization: HP-UX Kernel Lab, Cupertino, CA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

Wailer at the Gates of Dawn (banshee@cats.ucsc.edu) wrote:
: 	Were there any particularly good or bad years for the BMW R65s?

i believe '81 to '84 were considered "best."
for the life of me i can't remember the reasons
why they're better (maybe electronic ignition
being one, and a lighter flywheel for another?
your local dealer can give you the details.)
but after '84, the frame changed to be identical to
R80's including monolever, i think (so you may as
well get the R80, since the difference in weight is
negligable).  so, if you want a "small" bike, you should
stay away from the later models.  for that matter,
R65's aren't all that small in any case (over 30"
seat height.)  Miss Noemi Berry is looking into
R65LS's and might lower it, so if that happens
we'll report on its success.

: Power in
: a 2-up situation?

that's an oxymoron.  R65's are dogs.

: Handling on twisties?

i haven't ridden a non-monolever BMW to form a
good opinion about them; if you are looking at
monolever R65's, you'll find that the frames
flex excessively at high speeds.  (but you'll
never reach high speeds. :-)  in tight stuff,
you won't notice it because it sortof blends
with the "background noise" of the bumps and
transitions of the road.

: Aftermarket parts and ease of
: working on the bike?

there are shocks you can get, and maybe one
or two mufflers, but that's about it with
aftermarket parts.  as far as original parts go,
like all BMW's, parts are easy to get, but are
not necessarily cheap.  you'll find that any
reasonably stocked shop will have virtually
every part on stock; and if they don't, they
usually get it within a week unless there is
some sort of strike going on in Germany.

boxers are easy to work on.  there are some things
that take a ridiculous amount of time to do, but
are not really difficult.  take the transmission
input spline  for example -- it should be lubed
every 10k miles, or says the dealer.  i let mine
go to 20k because it takes 6 hours to do the job.
and on the other hand, some things are ridiculously
easy, like removing carbs for cleaning, valve
adjustments, tire changes (esp. for monolever --
three bolts and off it comes).


hope this helps,

-- hesh
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: spgo@is.morgan.com (Stefan Goellner)
Subject: Re: "Sorry John"
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:41:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.162325.25343@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
|>   I apologize to John and anyone else who took offense. In retrospect I
     ^^^^^^^^^^^
Flog him! Apologies on wreck.moto??? What's this world coming to?

|> have to agree my comments were uncalled for and tasteless. I regretted
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^
People tend to take it better when flamed eloquently rather than rudely.

|> them the moment I posted but was too stubborn to cancel.Sometimes I
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well ok, there's some hope.

|> just get wound up a little too tight. It won't happen again.
|>                         Jorg

Stef 

	     DoD#0190		              spgo@is.morgan.com
	'82 KZ550 (Commuter)		'84 750 Interceptor (Canyon Carver)
     Live to Ride, Flame to Live
From: gxw@crosfield.co.uk (garry wilmot)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: slappers
Keywords: wobbler
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:13:10 GMT
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.


Can someone please clarify what causes tank slappers and how
to ride them out.




no doubt this has already done the rounds so those of you who
can't take anymore please be patient
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Leaning
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:38:02 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

24241-fusco (mf@dancer.uucp) wrote:
: In article <1992Aug31.164412.24579@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
: >In article <LOTTO.92Aug28154658@laura.harvard.edu> lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:
: >>>>>>> On 18 Aug 92 09:31:41 GMT, etlanar@slartibartfast.ericsson.se (Alan Arthur) said:
: >>Alan> I'm right handed, so is this some kind of 'built-in' protection
: >>Alan> mechanism that I need to overcome?
: >>
: >>Most people have more trouble turning right than left - regardless of
: >>their "handedness".  In a right turn, you control the throttle and
: >>modulate handlebar pressure with the same hand.  Countersteering is a
: >>lot more natural in a left-lean posture.  This is especially true if
: >
: >Is it just me, or does anyone else both push and pull?  Not that
: >I claim to be immune to this effect, but I never really noticed
: >it much.
: >-- 
: 	I thought the trouble with turning right (vs. left)
: had to do with the side of the road we drive on (e.g. what we can see,
: how we set the line....).

No.  I (as I stated before) feel much more at ease banking left than right and
I drive on the "correct" side of the road!  :)  Exempli gratia (e.g.) To get 
on and off the Highway to Hell (tm) (M4) there is a connecting road with a 
reasonably tight 180' bend; I can come off the M4 on this road at over 60 but
getting on I have been unable to screw myself to over 55.  The getting-of lane
is on the inside of the curve, hence it is tighter!  :-o  "oh"!


Nick (the "Left is Best" Biker)   DoD 1069  MAG 73516

M'Lud.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Just in case you thought it wasn't true
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:02:46 GMT

this is a direct quote out of the paper (yeah our local
paper is never biased or makes mistakes), this is on a projected
short fall on income (they tried to rape the open space fund for
new office buildings but ended up getting shafted without a lube
by the people):

Possible sources of additional revenues suggested by the council
include creating new city taxes for liquor, recycling and/or
trash hauling, increasing fines for traffic violations, increasing
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
parking fees and reducing the tax refund program for low-income
residents, which is taken advantage of by some students who also 
receive income from their parents.

For the people by the people (except when new offices are involved).


Laszlo Nemeth
pond_scum_sucker@cs.colorado.edu
"hey - my tool works (yeah, you can quote me on that)." From elef@Sun.COM
In any publication, I will give notice that "UNIX is a Trademark of Bell 
Laboratories"
Boycott Bell Labs
DoD #0666          UID #1999
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner)
Subject: Re: Motorcycle Battery Chargers
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:17:43 GMT
Reply-To: Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com>
Organization: HP-UX Kernel Lab, Cupertino, CA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

as others have mentioned, the BMW chargers are quite good.

i'd like to add that you can probably find a lot of them
for sale, used.  i don't know if it's a local thing but
every new BMW sold comes with a charger.  this makes for
lots of extra chargers out there, so just check out your
local BMW dealer's bulleting board for them and you'll
be likely to find one cheap.

(saw one at CAL BMW for $50, in case anybody local is
interested.  i think $50 is too much, though.)

-- hesh
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Has anyone noticed.........
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:02:16 GMT

that FJ1?00 riders are now having to defend there bikes like the 
bmw, harley, and scooter crowd did.

mention that an fj is a pig in the corners compared to the 
latest ZX/GSXR/CBR (and slow as a dog) and every fj rider yells


                      BUT:

you can ride for hours.
because they havent changed in x years parts are easy to get.
they last forever.
you can tour on them.
they are fast in the twistys (NOT i have passed several on my R75/5).
they can make it up to that lake above markb's place (but not across
the snow field).
they will be the triumph/bsa/vincent of the 21 century


the flames are the same just the bikes and people have changed.


Laszlo Nemeth
pond_scum_sucker@cs.colorado.edu
"hey - my tool works (yeah, you can quote me on that)." From elef@Sun.COM
"Flashbacks = free drugs."
"There so ugly I don't even want to look at them." Mikii in reference to
goldwings
Not many men can say they made a woman orgasm and laugh at the same time.
DoD #0666          UID #1999
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: I have my DOD number!!!
Summary: NOT!
Date: 31 Aug 92 02:53:22 GMT
Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe

Richard.A.Swift.1@nd.edu ("Dick" Swift) writes:
>I have been informed that the aforementioned KOTL is in fact not a
>panty-waist, ass-kissing flamer. He is, more appropriately stated, a
>righteous character. For it is he, this KOTL, no..... this HERO, who
>provides the means to achieve the small amount of adhesion, of loyalty,
>of PRIDE---- 
>[much ass-kissing drivel deleted]

More appropriately, some slick Denizen who felt you should be quite
fully humiliated before the world-wide readership of rec.moto, and that
you should bestow the humility upon yourself.  I don't think you should
show your face (and certainly not your "sig") in public for a while.
You've really left it hanging out this time Dick, me lad.  I'd wager
that you've even got a big old butt-wipe trailer stuck on your heel.
Yup, consider yourself duped, BIG time.

>I proudly proclaim myself Denizen of Doom number 555. Long Live the DOD!!!

Proclaim thyself a fool, fool:

[nemo8 ~] egrep 0555 dod.dir
0555:Tracy Wiseman:CA:tracy@fiji.unify.com
[nemo9 ~]

You don't even want to *know* what happened to the last unfortunate who
attempted to make off with somebody else's number.  As the affronted,
Tracy get's to apply the first llama hoof to this cretin.  Who'll bring
the tennis balls to the inquisition?  I think it's Hesh's turn.

>I would hope that all flames to my
>future posting shall meet the following simple criteria:
>1)  Heavy use of profanity--- by this I imply CREATIVE use of profanity,
>not the all-too-simplistic name calling I have seen.

Profanity is the common-man's flame.  To flame sans profanity is art.
This fact is obviously lost upon you, given your incredible lack of
intellectual and emotional maturity.

>and  2)  Heavy criticism of my intellectual and emotional maturity.

At least the latter hasn't escaped your quite limited grasp.

>Rich Swift,  DOD # 555         place .sig here
                    ^^^         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                    NOT    no, place duct tape over rectum, while you can!

Mr. Bill
-- 
Bill Leavitt  DoD: #0224  Domain: leavitt@cs.umd.edu  UUCP: uunet!mimsy!leavitt
"feeling paskeresque, which is always better than feeling pasker." Cliff Weston
From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: carb synchronizer recommendations?
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:46:02 GMT
Organization: Microbial Pathogenesis and Motorcycle Maintenance

One caution about the mercury manometer type - make sure you've got a good 
seal between the plastic tubing and glass tubes. Mine leaked a little, and 
my Concours sounded like my Harley until I figured out the problem. I put 
some vacuum grease on the glass tubes and wired the plastic tubing on. 
__________________________________________________________________________
Steve L. Moseley                                  moseley@u.washington.edu
Microbiology SC-42                                Phone: (206) 543-2820
University of Washington                          FAX:   (206) 543-8297
Seattle, WA 98195
From: paal-sb@hsr.no (Paal Steinar Berg)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Ducati
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:49:59 GMT
Organization: Rogaland University Centre

Have anyone tested the Ducati 900 SS.

Mail me with your views

Paal S. Berg                            paal-sb@hsr.no
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: AR.JTC@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jay Cena)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on VMAX
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:41:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.132036.1392@javelin.sim.es.com>,
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
>rudi@netcom.com (Rudolf Usselmann) writes:
>
>>I'm a bit disapointed. Only two people in this group
>>who had a opinion on VMAX ???
>
>You want opinions? We got opinions.  V-Max? Heavy. Fat. Ugly.
>I want one to hang on the wall next to the CBX I'll have some day.
>--
>Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
>blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
>Dumper of Dirtbikes #46       My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.      FJ1200


Blaine,

Have you been playing with those illicit mind altering drugs again?

Cuz son, surely you must b high!

                                  Jay Cena

dod#90
88 VMX12
From: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: MSF RCC and MC brakes.
Date: 4 Sep 1992 17:04:01 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu



I'm taking the MSF RCC as offered by the state of Ohio.  I had my 
first classroom session last Tuesday.  Generally it was okay, if a little
too basic. It starts out okay, until we get to the part about what makes
cars different from bikes.  The usual stuff about size and weight and
visibility are spoken, and then I go and completely screw up their whole
act.  
	"Another difference",says I, "is that cars can outbrake bikes."
	"What?",says he.
	"Many cars can out brake motorcycles."
	"No way. Impossible.  I've been riding Harleys for 30 years, and
		there is no way."
	"A recent article in Motorcyclist shows that a bone-stock BMW
		325i can out brake a Honda CBR900RR in the dry, as can
		an Acura NSX."
	"No way, it can't happen.  Bikes weigh so much less.  You're
		full of it"
	"Yes, bikes do weigh less, but the contact patch is much smaller
		than that of a car with four fat (relatively) tires to
		the two skinny (again, relatively) tires on a MC."
	"No way.  I'm right, you're wrong.  So shaddap."

You get the gist of it.  It went on for a few more minutes and I said that
I'd bring in the article.  They also went on to support someone else's 
contention that ABS equipped bikes stop in shorter(!!!) distances than
comparitive non-ABS bikes in the dry.  The wet is another story.  

And on class goes.  "Bikes don't protect you from the elements".  Blah blah
blah.  Then Me comes up with another difference,
	"Cars corner better than bikes.  At higher g's that is"
	"No way.  You're wrong.  Hell, in Europe bikes with sidecars are
		going aroung F1 tracks faster than F1 cars.  Just show
		me a car that can corner better than a bike.  I just
		saw a comparison of a Corvette ZR-1 and a Ninja 600
		and the Ninja beat the 'Vette in every possible
		comparison of performance."
	"Again, it's that contact patch thing."
	"No way.  I'm older.  I'm the teacher.  I've been riding Harley's
		for 30 years.  I AM RIGHT!  YOU ARE WRONG! So, shaddap"

Well, what can I say?  People are going to leave the class with the impression
that MCs are some kind of godly transport that can break the laws of physics.
The only thing he said that I can't dispute is the tthing about the sidecars
in Europe.  It may be true considering a sidecar rig is nearly a car.

ANyone got any good comparisons, numbers, references for me so I can show
these guys the error of their ways?

Oh, the actual conversation may not have been exactly as stated due to a 
malfunction with my transcriber, but the basic ideas are correct.

Geez.  Some people.

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------>DarkMan-------->
Case Western Reserve University,  Cleveland, Ohio            DoD #650
Anyone know where a mechanical engineer can get a job?
From: tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi <tcora>)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BMW R100RS - Raise handlebar one inch
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:10:49 GMT
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

kkw@wam.umd.edu (Katarina Wong O'Gara) writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.192940.1077@msus1.msus.edu> stafford@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>>
>>	I need to raise the handelbar on a R100RS ('81) by
>>	about an inch.
>[stuff deleted]
>> john
>
>I want to do the same thing on my K-100 RS.  I just drove round trip from
>Washington DC to Santa Fe, New Mexico, and the position of the bars was, 
>er, excruciating.  I tried rotating them, and that helped somewhat.  But
>only somewhat.  Any suggestions?

The scabs at Luftmeister make "barbacks" for about $90. You can go
down to the dealer and look them over, with an eye toward making a set
of your own and then the credit card says whattheheck and you just buy
the damn things even tho they're way overpriced and you put them on
and then you get the KRT cables cuz the RS cables are a little short
even tho they'd probably work anyhow and then you're much more
comfortable in the long run and it was worth it.

Got that?
-- 
 
                tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil
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