HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: daniel@nstn.ns.ca (Daniel MacKay)
Subject: Re: research on the gay male voice
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 10:43:11 GMT

In article <22603@sybase.sybase.com> black@lester.sybase.com
(Christina Black) writes:

>If linguists identify, define, and quantify the "gay male voice", does
>that mean we can program speech synthesizers to use different voices?
>I want a gay male toaster, a bulldyke pickup truck, a lesbian thearapist
>workstation.

Do you remember _Buck Rogers in the 25th [or whatever it was] Century_?  It
was almost totally unmemorable except for
 - [whoever it was]'s muscular and handsome torso swaggering around the
   screen for two hours, and
 - an advanced computer in the shape of a canteen called "Doctor Theo" who
   _definitely_ had had his PROMs burned in a hair salon.
--
Daniel MacKay					daniel@nstn.ns.ca
Homo habilis

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: none
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 04:07:52 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug14.192918.8685@riacs.edu> David Christopher Rogers <drogers@riacs.edu> writes:
>[I've posted this before, but never more appropriately. 
>BTW, I think he hated Edna. -- DCR]

It will give you something to argue about in the afterlife. 

E. St. V. M. is altogether too appropriate these days; the analogies
between AIDS and war are becoming more obvious.  

-- 

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:12:33 GMT

In article <ROBERTL.92Aug17213922@luciano.Stanford.EDU> robertl@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lodenkamper) writes:
>And you delude yourself if you think that question is rhetorical,
>since our enemies don't hate us for how we act.  They hate us for what
>we are, and they will never be satisfied until we are ALL gone.

Anecdote reported in today's Herb Caen column:  An shuttle from S.F. to the
airport stopped to pick up a bunch of "Queer Nation types" (whatever that
means) on the way to Houston to protest at the convention.  A delegate to the
convention was already on the shuttle, and after a few "Thank God for AIDS"
and "It's either them or me" remarks was last seen trying to hail a taxi.

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

To beguile the tedium of the journey Albert read aloud from Volume Eleven
of the "Encyclopedia of Unimaginable Customs."
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: I'm going to be in the bay area this weekend!
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:25:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug14.202501.15133
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

hey, I just decided that I'm driving down to the bay area this
weekend. I'm not going to have much to do - anyone want to entertain
me? The plan is to arrive Saturday at noon or so (I'll probably be
exhausted). Leaving Monday.

I'm staying in a place in Oakland (2400 Magnolia, actually. where's
that?) The phone number is 510/893-6217.

I'll be checking my e-mail again this evening, maybe at 9PM PST.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                    The sully-van vultures are on the prowl
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: Masculine and Feminine, round 4.
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 20:59:57 GMT

richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:

>You forgot: simple unison (masturbation), fifths (neither minor nor
>major: the bi interval?), 

And fourths would be, ummm, the "uncommitted" interval...

Bill, who just happened to be listening to "I am no longer his dominant"
by Nurse with Wound this morning
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia & Allan Williams
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 10:45:30 GMT


In article <1992Aug22.034617.16382@microsoft.com>
bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

]Don't get all high & mighty with me about what *you've* gone through,
]Al.  The same for the rest of you.  I have paid my dues to the gay cause; 
]and I doubt there's very many of you that have paid as high as I have.  I 
]have every right to be mad as hell at straight society, the govt, and the 
]military in particular.  But in spite of personal losses, I put the group 
]goals ahead of my personal desire for vengeance. 

Add messianism and paranoia and excessive sefl-pity to the
lengthening list of this fellow's personality disorders.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: sfm@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Steve_Mershon)
Subject: Domestic Partnership Benefits
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Murray Hill, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:32:41 GMT
Keywords: info request re: Sprint & Fortune 100

A column about domestic partnership benefits issues in the March 6, 1992
Wall Street Journal stated:

>   When Sprint transfers an employee, it gives relocation aid
>   to unmarried partners.

Does anyone have confirmation of this, or further details about their 
policy? 
 
I would also appreciate first-hand information about efforts underway 
at any Fortune 100 companies to secure domestic partnership benefits.
 
I was recently appointed chair of the Benefits Committee of LEAGUE, 
a lesbigay employee group at AT&T with 18 chapters and well over 
500 members nationwide.  The chapters have recently united under the 
leadership of a national Assembly and national Co-chairs.  Education
of company management and unions on the issue of domestic partnership           
benefits will be a high priority on our national agenda.  Needless to 
say, AT&T management will be most interested in the policies of direct
competitors, former Bell System companies, and companies of similar             
size (250,000 employees).
 
Steve Mershon 
stephen_mershon@att.com 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: remcke01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen)
Subject: I'm leaving  :(
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:01:03 GMT

	Well, I haven't been quite as vocal as some people around 
this place, but I'm sorry to say that you won't be hearing from me 
any more.

	I have taken a new teaching position at the United Arab 
Emirates University in (of all places) the U.A.E.  I'm leaving
next Wednesday, and probably won't have another chance to get
on the net before I leave.

	I have sort of been reading/posting since I came out about
three years ago, but I really didn't have the time to wade through
the volumes that Jess (and others) manage to put out daily ;-).  
I've only had lots of time to read and post for the last three 
months or so (while I've been recuperating from knee surgery and
unemployed).

	But in the past three years I have appreciated the glimpse
into Queers-around-the-world (tm).  Louisville is not exactly a 
cosmopolitan environment, and soc.motss has given me a much broader
perspective as to what it means to be gay in this world.  Now that
I'm moving overseas, and traveling internationally for the first time
since coming out, all I can say is, "look out, world; here I come."

	Truly, though, you people have a great thing going here--in
spite of your little aberrations here and there.  

	Now I'm off the U.A.E.  That's my life for you--always an 
adventure, never a dull moment.  My friend Marta asked me, "Won't
moving to the Emirates put a damper on your sex life?"  I responded,
"Sex life? What's a sex life?"  

	So maybe my life isn't *always* an adventure.  Or at least 
when it comes to my sex life.  But, hey, that's OK.  At least I *am*
beautiful.

	OK.  So maybe I tend to exaggerate the truth as well.  I prefer
to say that I have an enhanced creative propensity.  Don't you wish
you had one too?

	This is enough.  I should stop.  It's starting to turn into a 
therapy session.  But then again, I think that soc.motss is a sort of
group therapy.  Except it's cheaper.  And better.

	Take care everyone, and have nice life.
	
------------------------------------->
Richard McKewen                                                   
University of Louisville                      
Internet:  remcke01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu  
Bitnet:    remcke01@ulkyvx                         CECI N'EST PAS UNE PIPE
                                     <------------------------------------
From: harris@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sarcasm
Date: 19 Aug 92 05:57:42 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1992Aug18.235649.14429@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.142659.4815@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>
>>Why is it that only the ones who needn't apologize think of doing so,
>>whereas "Sargon the Butch" marches on...
>
>I'm really enjoying all the various nasty nickanames people are coming
>up for him. Such creativity!
        ^^^
What?  By "him," you don't mean me, do you?  I don't think that's what
Steve meant....  Then again, I don't think it's what you meant either.

So why the hell am I bothering to post this?  I think I'm paranoid about
people coming up with "nasty nicknames" about me...

Oh, well....  I haven't read all my news yet;  maybe I'll stumble on something
else with nasty nicknames about me... one may always hope.... ;-)

Trey Harris
Stranger in a Strange Thread

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler)
Subject: Re: Robert Bernardo (1952-1992)
Organization: O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:58:44 GMT

Rob and I exchanged e-mail - discovering we were both motssers who
loved country music (at the risk of feeling like gay Republicans...)
and were born within 2 weeks of eachother.  Now, at 40, I look forward
to a lot in my life - at 40, his ends.

What to say?  This sucks.  Peace to you, Rob.

Blessed Be,

 - Ellie
-- 
        Ellie Cutler

        ellie@ora.com               
        uunet!ora!ellie
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: UNGAY GAY
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:00:38 GMT

I thought HWP stood for *HUGE* *WHITE* *PUMPS*!!!



Kathy (Apologies if you've read this before - the other posting seems to have
       disappeared.)
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:03:28 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <17510@autodesk.COM> randyc@autodesk.com (Randy
Clark) writes:

>In article <1992Aug18.094856.26423@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu
>(Jess Anderson) writes:

>>My own impression, maybe amounting to little more than a
>>prejudice, is that the butcher they are (or think they are),
>>the faster those heels go up.

>	For a while I was annoyed that you posted this observation
>	before I had a chance to -- but then, you would.  You
>	have *so* much more experience, dear.  ::snap::

There being no such thing as too much in the way of such
experiences, and to paraphrase Alice Roosevelt Longworth, if
you have dirt to tell, sit right here by me.  I'm sure we
can add to one another's storehouse of Very Trashy Accounts.

-- 
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From: joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the rescuers, oops
Keywords: rescue, waterfall
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:56:48 GMT

harris@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) writes:

>In article <1992Aug14.012134.27597@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:

>>In article <joelp.713749733@cs.man.ac.uk>, joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project) writes:

(quoting myself)

>>> >Trey deserves his own special distinction.  But since I haven't yet responded
>>> > ^^^^
>>> >to any of his posts (having just made it back to soc.motss land), I'm not sure
>>> >what title is appropriate.

>>>
>>>  Apologies to Todd.  I'm not sure what came over me.

>>   Actually, I was wondering who Trey was (other than our newly found
>>essayist in North Carolina :-) Todd will no doubt be glad to hear
>>that you are home and, assumedly, away from waterfalls. Since he
>>doesn't yet have access to the net, I doubt that he will be responding
>>soon.

....

>Hul-lo!  I'm afraid I've let my motssing slip lately, as I'm getting
>ready to move into school Saturday.  I'm glad I thought to do a grep
>for my own name...  Apparently that other article has expired now,
>so would someone please explain to me what I am suddenly doing in
>a strange thread?  :-)

Hi.  I'll fill you in, if someone else hasn't.  You were an extremely unaware
spectator for a man (me) falling some thirty or forty feet off a waterfall,
after going to take a closer look at it.

You watched in shock as I slid over the edge, wanting to reach for me but
knowing that you'd go over too if you did.  You anxiously looked for me and
finally saw me clambering onto a ledge above the second set of falls.  You
hacked your way to the bottom and encouraged me to make my way part way down
the rock face and then dive, practically into your arms.  With a firm embrace
you brought me to the shore and hugged me for sheer relief.  ``You did it.
You did a great job'', you said, reassuring me.

Of course, you probably don't remember *any* of this...  :- )

>Hmmm.  Stranger in a Strange Thread.  I like it!  But yet, I do not
>yet grok in fullness.  :-)

Ah, we are all interwoven in the Tapestry, and in the end, all Threads are
one.  Now, we grok dimly; but the time shall yet come when we all may grok in
fullness.

>Trey Harris

 Joel Parthemore
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 18 Aug 1992 20:11:51 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <64255@cup.portal.com> 
Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
> adolphson cluelessizes:
> >Why are you taking this so *seriously*?
> >Jeez.
[...]
> Now, the proposal in question wasn't as important as AIDS, rape
> or racism; but your cluelessness is of just the same variety.

Someone with the preposterous name of "Lovegod" bounds onto
the scene (OK, he's been around, he's not a clueless straytboy,
he's not a clueless gayboy straytboy-wannabe), with a golly gee
gosh kissy-kissy proposal that we form a big ring and tell our 
life stories to each other.  I throw him a little attitude which
pisses him off, and then Greg goes into anti-Arne overdrive
*again* (what *is* it with you, Greg?), and now you're comparing
Lovegod's and Greg's and your reaction to my attitude to faggots's
reaction to AIDS, etc. etc.?  What the fuck do you think you're
talking about?

Arne
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 23 Aug 92 04:09:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug23.040957.28651
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Aug23.005403.29395@cis.ohio-state.edu>
amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

[commenting about arguing with Sarver]
>glad as i am to have read this stuff, it seems odd to me that so much
>effort is directed against something so impervious.

I think the effort is well-expended.

Trying to convince any one person of a set of beliefs is a tricky
prospect. But the effort of trying to do such a thing is very useful -
it exposes your ideas to cricism, allows other people to read what you
are thinking, makes you solidify your own beliefs, &c.

I could care less whether Sarver learns anything from soc.motss - that
is his own problem. But I do hope that the messages people post help
the people who are posting them, and there is the possibility that
other people will learn.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                       Shop as usual and avoid panic buying
From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Republicans
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:16:41 GMT
 <13398.2a91643d@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>
Organization: University of Maine System

well, i've considered registering republican, although i've
never done it.  you see, i don't really care who the
democrats run.  whoever runs, i'll vote for, as it sure as
HELL beats the alternative.  but there is ALWAYS a
republican that i do NOT want.  so voting in the republican
primaries, imho, would be a Good Thing.

for my money, the democrats are waaay too conservative as well.
but they're better than republicans.

                                            -ailsa
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Re: Irish and Irish-American
Date: 23 Aug 92 06:46:34 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
	<1992Aug23.015659.29017@nevada.edu>

balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) writes:
) emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
) >If nothing else, it appears that the Irish-Irish are more tolerant
) >than the Irish-Americans, or at least those of the latter that we hear
) >about here.  
) .
) As a motsser whose grandfather was born and raised in Dublin, I can 
) say that many Irish-Americans are quite tolerant.  It is important
) to understand that on St. Patricks day everyone in the U.S. suddenly
) everyone finds Irish ancestors.  

At the risk of opening the annual Patrick's Day bitchfest six
month early, I'll point out that quite a few key Irish-Americans
*aren't* tolerant; in particular, the charming gentlemen who
run the parade in New York.  And it is people like the Ancient
Order of Hibernians and Buchanan who set the tone for how
Irish-Americans are perceived.

) Shawn (whose father and grandfather had a great battle over the 
)        spelling of his name.)
  ,
Sean is one of the few Irish names that I would expect most
Americans to be familiar with.  Though to spell it correctly,
you need to have an accent over the "a", which can't be done
in ASCII.
________________
George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Whizzzzzzz ( was Re: Introduction)
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:07:13 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) wrote:
>I was talking about my metaphorical central heating.  I'd
>love to have refrigerated air conditioning installed in
>my body.  It is too darn hot.

Maybe you could coo with your baby tonight, or possibly pitch some woo with
your baby tonight...

>OK, LA's not in the tropics, but we've had a week and a half
>of 95+ days with hideous, godawful humidity.  They've even
>started using the heat-humidity index here, according to which 
>it felt like it was 112 on Saturday.  It's *awful*.

Yuck, it sounds *beastly*.  It never gets that hot here.  Have no fear, it
looks like Thursday may be cooler there for you.  Where are you, though?
LAX is only 75F at 3pm Pacific time.

Sim, really thinking tropical, hoping to go to San Juan or Barbados tomorrow
to chase after Andrew.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:52:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.004052.7753@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>It's not Cl*t*n, it's the "After the Ball" gang.  Gack.
>Of course he's "masculine"; he's clueless.  Isn't that the same thing?

In his case, most definitely.  I wrote a reply to his dribble, and then
dumped it in the bit bucket, figuring that with his head that far in
the sand, he wouldn't be able to hear it, and anybody else that was that
clueless was probably down there with him.

Femmey Butchly,

Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:58:01 GMT

johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:
: In article <1992Aug12.162723.23786@slcs.slb.com> gak@slcs.slb.com (Glenn Kramer) writes:
: >
: >The career counsellor stopped in her tracks and said, "Oh...<long
: >pause> Oh... <long pause> Oh... OK," and with that, we continued to
: >the place where the party was to be held.
: >
: >I still delight in trying to reconstruct her exact thought processes
: >during those long pauses...
: 
: Hee hee.  I imagine something like:
: 
: "Oh..."
: 
: <He's with him.  Friends.  No, a couple?  A couple.  Duh.
:  Hey, no problem with me.  Some of my best...>
: 
: "Oh..."
: 
: <Oops, that means he's the one I referred to as the wife.
:  Will he be offended, or is it a butch-femme thing?  They
:  do that right?  Or don't they?  Really put my foot in my mouth 
:  this time;  should I say something?  What?>
: 
: "Oh..."
: 
: <Forget it, I can't think of anything intelligent to say.  
:  Let's just get to the party. I need a drink.>
: 
: "OK"
: 
: <A *big* drink.>

You got that just about exactly right John! I can just picture the *thought 
balloons* frantically popping over her head!  


Kathy
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:16:53 GMT
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA

In article <1992Aug19.173953.14333@auto-trol.com>, katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:
> We can make up whatever rules we want. Butches make the rules, femmes have to
> follow them!

  Why do I hear _Depeche Mode_ in the background playing _Master and Servant_?
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
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From: michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Also Misspake Sarah Thruster
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:31:53 GMT
Reply-To: michelle@rlgvax.Reston.ICL.COM (Michelle Elliott)
Organization: International Computers Limited, Reston, Virginia, USA

In article <1992Aug11.130033.25285@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>Our redoubtable correspondent, Ireland's gift to France,
>than whom you must get up *very* early to get up earlier
>than,

Have we, then, too many than's then?

Michelle, thaner than ever...
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