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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:23:29 -0500
From:         jkh2001@ANDY.BGSU.EDU
Subject:      ? and the Mysterians

Alright Ladies and Gentlemen, the moment you've all been waiting for:  my
review of the ? and the Mysterians tape sent to me by Renato.
Unfortunately this is a truly sad moment as it means both his and my
departure from the list.  Renato has already announced his retirement,
staying around only for my review.  I, on the other hand, will be
graduating and will lose my net access on Friday, so this will probably one
of my last, if not the last, post from me.  Also, my apologies for my
earlier post about the Christmas spirit.  Just trying to end things on a
happy note.

Alrght, here we go:

Side 1:
Don't Tease Me
Smokes
Love Me Baby
Ten O'Clock
You're Telling  Me Lies
I Need Somebody
Girl (You Captivate Me)

Side 2:
Make You Mine
Do Something To Me
Got To
Midnight Hour
96 Tears
I Can't Get enough Of You Baby
I'll Be Back

This is by far one of the best live tapes I've heard in a while.  Side 1
starts out rockin' and never slows down.  This is 60's rock and roll at its
finest.  Don't Tease Me, I Need Somebody, and Girl (You Captivate Me) are,
IMHO, the best songs on this side.  Side 2 picks up where side 1 left off
and never looks back.  The high point of this side has got to be the
classic 96 Tears, always one of my favorites and a great tune overall.  The
band sounds as good as they did when they first got together.  They've
still got that great blend of guitar and keyboards that make they a must in
any good collection of 60's rock.  My recommendation is that you pick up
this tape and give it a try.  It is available on Reachout International
Records (ROIR) A-137.  You'll definitely be missing out if you don't give
this one a listen.

King  Jeremy the Wicked
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Subject:      Re: punk rock stuff

Date sent:  14-DEC-1992 21:22:37
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>CC:
>Subj:  RE: punk rock stuff
>
>Wart claims:
>
>>I really don't think the majority of the people
>>on this list know more about punk or hardcore than myself, although if
>>there is someone out there please enlighten me with your wisdom.
>
>I'll put $100 on Michael...
>
>- Carol

Carol,
   Who is this Michael charactor anyway.  Is it that dude from the Chicago
Bulls, what's his name, Michael Jordan, yeah that's it.  Your right he does
no more about punk/hardcore than myself.  I remember back in the day he
used to be in about 14 different punk bands.  Man he was so cool!  Anyway
he is my teacher and I am the follower, damn it feels so good to be led.

Loving you always,
Wart
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L.W. dressed up as Mike Masuda :) The Great Inquirer asks:

>What is the strangest/wildest album cover you've seen.

        A punk band (American) whose name I forget. So the title - I can't
remember. Anyway, there was a picture of the singer with what looked like
a rod bar stuck in the right ear, with blood oozing down and soaking him
more or less completely to the waist. Screaming mouth, and red hands too.
Absolutely wild, and also absolutely repulsive. If you haven't seen it,
you can't believe it. I hope it was a photographic trick...

>What is your favorite album cover.

        Artistically speaking, I loved Roger Dean's covers for YES' albums,
no particular preference. Some Hipgnosis works were great, too. If I am
really ask to choose one, anyway... well, the second Gabriel's album might
as well be framed and hung to my wall: he's pictured front-face, with his
hands seemingly ripping off the cover paper -- and his own image, of course.

>What is the srangest/wildest band name.

        Mutually Assured Destruction is a good contender, especially after
somebody I know :) dared write this on an International Postal Order, or
what was it... :)

>Favorite band name.......How did Pink Floyd come up with their name.

        Heh, *you* should know. Pink Floyd got their name from two bluesmen.
Get a clue... :). Since we're at it, there are people in Italy who still in-
sist that the meaning is "Fluido Rosa", but that would be "Pink Fluid"!
        Fave band name? Hmmm. Ok - I'll cheat. I thought it was great when
my band was called "Ohm And The Fall Band". "Fall" doesn't sound like any-
thing in Italian, except for one word. I hadn't thought about it, but most
people thought we were "Ohm And The Phall Band". Indeed, "Fall" sounds quite
like "Fallo", i.e. what-you-know, in Italy. One of the reasons why it became
TNR... :)
        So Len, did you buy my record? 8-) 8-)

        Ciao, Marco

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Subject:      Re: Frustration...non-musical -Reply

Rev. Dave says:

>    I know I should let this die, it's in no way musically related,
>but damn.  I'm really uncomfortable with the gun analogy.  I hate
>guns.  See no reason for their existence.  Guess that's all I really
>wanted to say.

Well, hell, Dave.  We need guns to keep order in this country.
I mean, look at Somalia.  Everybody there has a gun and...
Wait a minute.  Bad example.  But it must be true.
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: Glass and Christmas music (not related!!! Ugh, what a thought! )
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:54:23 GMT

In article <BzBM31.ByA@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer) writes:
>I am not going to have any favorite Christmas album until I hear a
>12-tone Christmas music album.
>

actually, now that I think of it, 
Alfred Schnittke wrote an arrangement of Silent Night for
violin and piano that is pretty out...

Jeff
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In article <ALLMUSIC%92121808404631@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> Mick Jeffries <MICK.JEFFRIES@UKWANG.UKY.EDU> writes:
> It only sold 2.5 million copies worldwide.  She was just a housewife before
> that.  So check it out, if you want to lounge large.  Verve has a

Yeah, the story was that Stan wanted it sung in English, and Joao didn't
sing English, so Stan said, OK, why not have Astrud try it.  Joao and
A.C. Jobim all protested, but it was Stan's album so he won the day.
The Girl from Ipanema took off, and won a Grammy, and launched Astrud's
career.  There are all sorts of other stories about what else it launched,
too.

> great compilation featuring Astrud with the perennial Stan Getz, Gil Evans,
> Antonio Carlos Jobim, and her hubby, of course.

That is to say, ex-hubby.  But he broke the rule of never bringing your
wifes or girlfriends to recording sessions, so he got what he deserved.
						;)

>Now my question:  How come I can't find a version of the Jobim classic "Wave"
> by Astrud?  Surely she did it.  And if not, who does the definitive version?
>
>Any other Astrud or other notable lounge music fans around?  Wot about Martin
> Denny?  Now there's some Tiki Bar Jazz, see?

I love Astrud.  I have many of her records, but I don't remember her
doing Wave.  If you get the Compact Jazz CD of hers, it is very good. 
Astrud has very limited vocal skills, but it is so beautiful and her
style is irresistable.  But when she was singing with Gil Evans, she had
trouble with her pitch.  Playing with triads from a guitar is an easier
target than Gil's complex polychords.

Jeff
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Even if President-elect Clinton likes differen't music, which is really that
bad.  I mean did amyone ever ask Pres. Bush what he listens to...talk about yuk
I mean, after you get by Michael Bolton's hair, he is a very good singer.  I
think.  What do you think a 40 or so man would listen to....Bobby Brown or
Extreme?  Get with it. I don't think he choices were that bad.
K. Anne
Drexel Univ.
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Subject:      Re: Bossanova quandary

I've been listening to (amd playing) bossa nove since Jim Hall and
Dizzie Gillespie first started playing it in N.A., and also following
the (apparently fairly checkerec) career of Astrud G. To my knowledge,
she never recorded "Wave". In fact this is understandable, since the tune
is not among the more singable b.n. pieces. But check out her Verve record
with Gil Evans!
MWM
ps how on earth could you ever mention the Gilbertos in the same post with
Martin Denny?
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From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Troy Turner

Has anyone ever heard Troy Turner...I read a short reveiw and it sounded
like something i would like (blues obviously), but I beleive payola comes
into play on these reveiws and it may be a pitiful album.......L.W.
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:03:57 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Fond Farewell

Bye Jeremy! We'll miss your scathing wit...

>OMC:  Does anyone out there know the lyrics to their alma mater?

In the rolling hills of Binghamton
'Neath ever-changing skies
Where two gently flowing rivers meet
We form our cherished ties

Chorus:
Oh, SUNY-B, we carry thee
With us for all our time.
And through us individually
Forever may you shine

Together we spend these years
United in our aim
In the bold pursuit of excellence
We proudly bear your name.

Chorus

Note: This was written for The Staute University of New York at Binghamton
- now known as Binghamton University - by one of the members of the
all-male a cappella group (The Binghamton Crosbys) on our campus a few
years back. There is a different alma mater for just the liberal arts
college - Harpur College - but nobody, including the dean, knows it. For
the first time, it was sung, quite badly since no one knew it, at
graduation this year....

Did I leave anything out, Randy?

Marsha

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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Scott, I just was informed that my ride's leavin, so I'm in a hurry, but please
 man, no , no ,no that song "What the world needs now" is totally bogus. If
you think about it, all it does is trash older 'sentimental', 'political',
songs, It does nothings in its own defense. It doesn't offer anything. I
just get really annoyed when I hear it. It's like these guys see all these
old MTV shots of the 60's and they go "geez, how sappy can you get",
without ever having to live through those times. I hope these guys get
their minds' worth in the 90's, and then we'll see who wants to sing
songs about folks, and the folks just might be them this time ( I hope
so - let's see what spontaneous generation these 90's newbies can get
together - will it be all "trash the old", or  new reality time. ?????
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I'm sure this has been discussed, but who cares i missed it.

What is the strangest/wildest album cover you've seen.

What is your favorite album cover.

What is the srangest/wildest band name.

Favorite band name.......How did Pink Floyd come up with their name.

NMC: Did you have to memorize the Gettysburg Address, children still have
to do it....What's the purpose of doing this, did it help you later in
life.......L.W.
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From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Frustration...non-musical

OK - you folks are an intelligent bunch...I need to ask you a question. Why
is it that alcohol runs so many people's lives? They're planning our formal
and the major considerations for this year's budget are the following:
1) cutting down last year's meal cost so that drinks can be free
2) holding it in a hotel so that rooms can be available for theose who want
to stay and drink
3) Making sure that hotel has a bar that stays open late
4) Subsidizing limos so the drunkards don't kill themselves driving home

Sense a trend? I do. I don't really drink much (and never when I'm not
within walking distance of my room) and I asked the coordinator of the
committee to please keep in mind that the non-drinkers may not want their
ticket money going to everyone else's alcohol, and that a choice of places
shouldn't be limited by the desire for hotel rooms. They immediately
discounted some of the best places in the city because of lack of "crash
space". The response to my suggestions was that from what he had heard,
this was what the people wanted. I asked him whether he had asked any
non-drinkers....he just shrugged....I am really annoyed by this!!!! Forgive
my immense geekitude - but I'd like to have fun too! I also can't afford to
spend my money on subsidizing limos for other people - when I can't even
afford a subsidized one! I give up.

Thanks for letting me blow off steam. I'm tired and frustrated - why should
today be different from any other...(Ma Nishtahna...)

Marsha

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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              16 Dec 1992 00:09:29 GMT from <ujwb@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU>

On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:09:29 GMT Jeff Beer said:
>
>No.
>
>BTW drummer, you have been gone a long time.
>
>Do you still listen to that pedestrian music from those lame haircuts?
>
>Jeff

   Oh, something with a melody line instead of music that sounds like a
   4th grade beginning music class. Yep, Beer Music.


                                             - Drummer -
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Subject:      RE: What the World Needs Now

Ooops... a case of premature emailuation on that last message.  :)

Oh well,  I was just gonna sign off,

- Carol
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From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: You guys

Hi Michael-

>Sorry if I screwed this up, but I'm not quite sure how to use this yet and my
>few spare neurons are used up studying.

I assume by this comment that you're relatively new here, so welcome.

>I have been reading this amusing list for a couple of weeks now and it has
>been fun reading you guys bitch at each other.  So the latest controversy
>is hard core, eh? (No, dammit, I'm not from Canada.)  My eardrums have bled
>a few drops in my day, and I find some hard-cre interesting (Henry Rollins,
>etc.)  I have a friend who is interested in just about everything, and he
>seems pretty happy.  And what's this with busting on each other's spelling
>mistakes?  Duh.  Come on guys, grow up.  This is a discussion about music,
>not English class.

I agree about the English class thing, but I think a lot of it is done in
the spirit of fun -  ie. the clam thing recently...

Not everything is arguing and flaming. I find this list to be a discussion
forum. If there is something you'd like to see discussed here, post
something! These people will discuss anything...right folks? When I first
signed on, there were heated debates about Opera and Tom Lehrer....we've
been through a lot of topics in the last few months!!! So relax and enjoy
the ride - and I promise not to correct your spelling...


Marsha


Marsha J. Ferziger
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From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: President-elect Clinton fails the ALLMUSIC

On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:19:00 EST Jenna Cold Steel (er- Cole Steele) said:
>
>I agree. Kenny G? gag. Maybe we need to make Bill a tape.
>

What a great idea! Are we set for the Allmusic Presidential Inauguration
Compilation '93, then? Just think of the great stuff we could send him.
We could even set up a tape just for Tipper. I think this idea has great
potential, folks. Reach for the stars. I mean, c'mon, who else is gonna
turn this guy on to some decent music? And who could do it better than the
ALLMUSIC All-Stars? Well, are we ready to serve our country and our President?
I've got my tape deck primed and ready!

David
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From:         Dave <USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Dracula

> From:          HAUGHD88@IRLEARN.UCD.IE

> On Fri, 11 Dec 1992 09:25:05 CST Dave said:
> >
> >    Okay, this is more film that music, BUT Tom Waits can be found
> >playing the mentally deranged Renfield in Copolla's new Dracula.  To
> >my mind that brings him up to at least five films, not including his
> >concert video.  Four of those films have been released in the last
> >two years, one of which _At Play in the Fields of the Lord_ was a
> >rather substantial role.
>
> Hmm - I must have missed a few. What are the ones you recall ?
> I remember "Down by Law" (Dir Jarmusch); The one where he played a
> puppet master (can't remember the name off hand) - don't think it was
> "one from the heart" but he did the music ;  The one about the search for
> the guitar designer (Tom played the designer's brother or brother-in-law).
> Haven't seen "At play ..." - it hasn't made it over to here (yet).

    Okay off the top o'me pointed little head comes the Tom Wait's
films I can remember.  Or at least films he was in.
    _Cold Feet_
    _Queen's Logic_
    _At Play in the Fields of the Lord_
    _The Fisher King_ - he played the crippled vet in the subway
    _Dracula_
    He also did the soundtrack for Jim Jarmusch's latest feat _Night
on Earth_.  I guess part of the reason I was so freaked over the
oddity of _Bone Machine_ was that the sountrack to _Night on Earth_
is just so different.  It struck me as more of the "mellow" type
stuff he was doing, more in tune with _Big Time_ than _Bone Machine_.
    You comments on Waits are well put and very valuable.  Do you
have a discography?  I've yet to be able to find one.
    On another note, while I'm bandying my film knowledge,(I promise
this is music related) I highly recommend _Leningrad Cowboys Go
America_.  It's a Finnish film, I'm sorry I can't remember the
director's name, but I wouldn't be able to spell it if I could.  LCGA
is by far one of the funniest films I've ever seen.  A Finnish band
can't make it in Finland so they try America.  Great tour film of
America, very dry, very deadpan.  Great film.  Jim Jarmusch has a
brief appearace in the film.   It really great you gotta see it.
I've yet to be able to find the soundtrack, but it's really quite
good.  The band reminds me of an arctic Pogues, just as many
instruments, just as inclined to make great drinking music.

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Subject:      Re: punk rock stuff

>From:  IN%"ALLMUSIC@AUVM.BITNET"  "Discussions on all forms of Music"  8-DEC-19
   92 16:09:01.48
>To:    IN%"BEHR5606@SNYPLAVA.BITNET"  "Behr 5606", IN%"SHEP3686@SNYPLAVA.BITNET
   "  "CHRIS SHEPPAR
>
>On Tue, 8 Dec 1992 15:51:00 EST WERT7176@SNYPLAVA said:
>>Doesn't anybody listen to hardcore/punk?  God the shit you people listen to
>>would make me kill myself.
>
>Well, wake up and smell the Sterno, buddy. If you want a discussion about
>hardcore/punk, why don't you start one? I've been into punk rock for 14
>years, so I'll listen. Say something memorable.
>
>David

Hey you wouldn't happen to be Joe's roommate would you.  How's Joe doing
anyway?  Something memorable, hmm what can I say.  How about the new J
Church 7" is really good.  Wait that's not to memorable, shit.
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