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From: stein.kulseth@nta.no (Stein Kulseth)
Subject: YAMAHA TX16W
Organization: Norwegian Telecom Research
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 10:03:24 GMT

I'm trying to locate a MIDI sound module that has the following
sampled sounds:

Wurlitzer piano
Vox organ / Farfisa organ
a couple of different B3 sounds

I have tried out a YAMAHA TG100, TG55 and a similar KORG module,
I didn't find the Wurlitzer in any of them, and I wasn't too
overjoyed by the organ sounds either.

I have got a reasonable offer to buy a YAMAHA TX16W, does anyone know
if these sounds are available for this sampler, or do I have to sample
them myself (I'd rather NOT). Also, is this machine suited for live
playing, ie easy to use in playback mode.

Please reply by email.

Background: I play piano in a rock'n'roll band, presently using a
	YAMAHA pf85. I have never played a synthesizer, and would rather
	not; I like to stick to 'natural' sounds (I know, old-fashioned).

-- 
stein.kulseth@nta.no (Norwegian Telecom Research)
   'When murders are committed by mathematics, they can be solved by
   mathematics. Most of them aren't, and this one wasn't'
   - Nick Charles (Dashiell Hammett's "The Thin Man")
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: DIGITECH "Vocalist", need opinions...
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:01:45 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <LATTA.92Dec10194829@con.berkeley.edu> latta@con.berkeley.edu (Craig R. Latta) writes:
>
>	John Ladasky <ladasky@netcom.com> writes:
>
>> A friend of mine owns a Vocalist...
>
>	Hi; John's friend here. Yeh, I guess having two of the darned
>things go bad is pretty suspicious, but I've had no problem with the
>third one...

I have two Vocalists.  In the past year one of them has been in the shop
twice (the first time was my fault).

>	The pitch shifting and envelope correction are really great.
>The MIDI implementation is quite good, too. The things I would change
>about it are:
>[...]
>
>*	Fix a bug whereby one cannot do automatic pitch correction to
>	the chromatic mode (currently one can program it for any mode
>	*except* chromatic. Wierd.). 

Yep.  I wondered about this one too.  Even in scalar mode you get
slurs between the chromatic intervals so "automatic" pitch
correction is not very useful.

Also, in non-vocoder mode, the unit's volume is reset back to 0x7f
every time a new variation is selected.  I tried using my volume pedal
to bring the vocal harmonies in and out but they kept popping up
when I changed chords.  

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: pow@borland.com (Greg Powers)
Subject: WX-7 wind controller for sale
Summary: good price on a superior wind controller.
Originator: pow@genghis.borland.com
Keywords: midi controller, yamaha
Organization: Borland International
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:35:09 GMT

The old 'posting for a friend' routine...



FOR SALE: YAMAHA WX-7 midi wind controller.

Light use.
Asking $350.

For info: PHONE KEVIN at 408-335-4196

NOTE: Please do NOT reply to this email address...
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Subject: Re: K2000R. You don't scare me. Nyah!
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:24:33 +0000

>Call for John Rossi... Oh yeah, he's still in exile.

That's why I'm here... :-)

>Then again, if you're stuck with paying 2x the U.S. price, it's possible
>that you can assemble a comparable amount of power more cheaply by
>combining other things.  With the Peavey and a Wavestation A/D, you're well
>on the way.

That was my thought.

>But it's nice to have the sample playing, the synthesis, and
>the filtering integrated into the same box so that they can interact more
>easily.

Agreed; but to my knowledge the K2000R still isn't (yet) a sampler. And it
won't be one in the UK for months I reckon... Before that happens, I have a
couple of sets of live shows to do...

                      Nick Rothwell  |  "Say, how many contemporary dancers
   CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |     are there in this bar?"
        cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk  |  "Dunno; count the Dr. Martens
        cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk  |     and divide by two..."

From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:13:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Problems with Mac Powerbooks?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth

/ hpcc01:rec.music.makers.synth / cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt) /  5:48 am  Dec  9, 1992 /
>>[Me]
>
>>publicizing it...  Powerbooks (definitely 140-180) and (I think) the
>>Duo have power management code that tends to foul up MIDI reception,
>
>Judging from a blurb I saw in _Keyboard_ last night, at least two
>problems have been identified with the 140-180 machines.  One is the

These are one and the same problem.  The power management code is
the thing that screws up the serial data.

I'm not sure of the details, but modem ports are treated with a
higher priority than the appletalk/printer port.  That's probably why
the Opcode fix only works on the modem port.

Pete Brooks
>
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: The k2000's effects being weak ???
Date: 13 Dec 92 02:46:56 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Dec11.160241.14341@cs.tcd.ie> phammond@cs.tcd.ie (Paul Hammond) writes:
>>
>>The downsides are when the effects processor(s) are weak (like in the
>>K2000), or when you can't get many independent effects routes.
>>
>>                      Nick Rothwell  |  "Say, how many contemporary dancers
>
>Everybody raves about these effects and sounds and you claim they're weak.
>How come ? What's weak about them, is the sound of the K2000 impressive or
>not ?? Do you mean the effects are weak compared to a dedicated effects
>box or do you mean weak compared to other music workstations ?

I can't speak for Nick but I'll say that the FX unit on the K2000 is
not a powerful as the FX on some other synths.  Its biggest drawback
is the lack of parallelism which would provide a little more mileage.
Also, it is missing true stereo FXs which can be found on some other
synths.  As far as raw sound goes, I think the SY99 has a cleaner 
reverb.

There has been some debate about how much noise is produced by the
FX on the K2000.  On my K2000R, the FX unit generates more noise than
my SY99 or any of my outboard FX units.  This isn't to say that
the K2000's FX totally suck.  However, considering the amazing
power of the raw K2000, the FX unit does not do much to enhance
it.  The same FX unit might be a big enhancement to a lesser synth.
I'm about to do my first major recording project since I got my
K2000R.  I expect I will mostly use the FX-bypassed outputs and run
the sound through quieter and cleaner outboard unit.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
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From: aj923@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (P. J. Remner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,alt.emusic,comp.multimedia
Subject: Re: MIDI file player for PC/Windows
Date: 18 Dec 1992 22:51:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aj923@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (P. J. Remner)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, rjh@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Rupert Hollom) says:

>Does anyone know where I can get hold of some C source code
>(preferablt for Windows) that allows me to play MIDI files through a
>MIDI mapper or MIDI interface.  Also the format of standard MIDI files
>would be appreciated.
>If there are ant ftp sites that have MIDI related items I would be
>grateful if someone could also give me the 'addresses' of these.
>

If you're using Windows 3.1, you already have a MIDI player.  It's
called Media Player, and Windows comes with a MIDI file called
"canyon.mid" - I'm listening to it right now.


-- 
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  "What... is the average airspeed of an unladen swallow?"    / taken surrep-
  "Is that a European or an African swallow?"                / titiously from
  "Well, I don't... YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!"     / "The Holy Grail"
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: sef@sef-pmax.slisp.cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: Does anyone have anything BAD to say about the K2000?
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:36:45 GMT


    From: gibian@talent.ljo.dec.com (Marc S. Gibian)

    One question I have for other owners is:  Have you found a way to
    initiate a note-on, or an alternative mechanism, from something
    other than the keyboard, the song facility, or via MIDI?  I want
    to use some of my synthesizer experience from the ancient ago of
    monophonic, analog, discrete component, patch corded Moog-s.  One
    of the most useful features was to take a signal, say an LFO on
    the K2000, and use that to trigger the start of a new attack/decay
    envolvope.  I can't find anything on the K2000 with which to do
    this?

You can get just about any control that you can get on a Moog by
re-triggering the ASR envelopes from various control sources, and then
perhaps running the result through one or more FUNs.  The resulting control
signal can control aplitude, filters, noise, PWM, blend one waveform into
another, or whatever.  The complex multi-stage envelopes can be looped in
various ways, and the rates can be controlled, but I don't think they can
be re-triggered from the LFO.

What you can't do, as far as I know, is re-trigger the sample from the
start using anything other than a MIDI note-on from outside, the sequencer,
or the keyboard.  You can LOOP the samples back to the start to get a
periodic effect, but that's not quite the same as re-triggering from the
LFO.  Then again, your ancient and venerable Moog didn't have a lot of
flexibility in re-triggering samples either.

-- Scott

===========================================================================
Scott E. Fahlman			Internet:  sef+@cs.cmu.edu
Senior Research Scientist		Phone:     412 268-2575
School of Computer Science              Fax:       412 681-5739
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From: archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Archer Sully)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Time Zones in the Soviet Union
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:09:08 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1992Dec15.183641.26007@netcom.com> ladasky@netcom.com (John J. Ladasky II) writes:

*mxd7977@ultb.isc.rit.edu (ELECTRONIC MUSICIAN) writes:
*[Cakewalk for Windows stuff deleted]
*>
*>'How many timezones are there in the Soviet Union?  13  It's ridiculous'
*>	-Negativland
*
*	BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!
*
*	Eleven, not thirteen, big guy.  Go listen to the disc again.
*

Its not even funny.

-- archer
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: olson@mondo.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Subject: a new test
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Distribution: esd
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 21:55:21 GMT

This is from within nn, on mondo, to zola, ignore it.
--

     Dave Olson
----============----
Life would be so much easier if we could just look at the source code.
From: news@parc.xerox.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Problems with Mac Powerbooks?
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:14:03 GMT
Reply-To: yampol
Organization: Xerox Palo Alto Research Center

In article <LATTA.92Dec15133412@con.berkeley.edu> latta@con.berkeley.edu 
(Craig R. Latta) writes:
> > You know, this question comes up every 5 days or so. Isn't there
> > some way to inform people of what is going on so we don't keep getting
> > the same question over and over?
> 
> 	There will be an item for it in the NetJam Electronic and
> Computer Music FAQ, coming out later today.

Where is this FAQ posted?  Could it be cross-posted to r.m.m.synth?

--Todd

=========================================================================
Todd Yampol   X E R O X   P A L O   A L T O  R E S E A R C H  C E N T E R
yampol@       parc.xerox.com/csli.stanford.edu/julius.ling.ohio-state.edu
=========================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Subject: Re: K2000R. You don't scare me. Nyah!
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:52:39 +0000

>For what it's worth, the K2000R is a mere $100 less than the K2000.

I'm surprised it's less at all. Look at the Wavestation: over here, the
rack mount is TWICE the price of the keyboard. (Around $2400 vs. $1200.)

>You're suggesting a rather non-linear price conversion.  Are things
>really that crazy?

Oh yes.

>It's expensive.  I asked a Kurzweil rep about having a cheaper
>digital-sampling-only option for those of us who already own quality
>A/D converters.

Or even DAT decks...

>No such luck.

Can the K2000 be fed via SMDI from something like a Peavey SX? They're only
$400 or so. (If you want stereo sampling, you'd have to buy two...)

>Mini-review, please?  I've been seeing ads for these.  How quiet are they?

Adequately quiet, I'd say... I'll dig out my review and post it. Stay tuned.

                      Nick Rothwell  |  "Say, how many contemporary dancers
   CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |     are there in this bar?"
        cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk  |  "Dunno; count the Dr. Martens
        cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk  |     and divide by two..."
From: sirius@corona.chel.su (Sirius Co.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Discussion on PC based sampler.
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:42:21 GMT
Reply-To: sirius@corona.chel.su
Organization: Sirius Co.


 I'm watching this discussions for a while, few ideas to add:
 I think that it's possible to sample and to sequence on a 286; it is possible,
 but you're needing to use some external hardware.  I mean:  the controller of
 keyboard and sequencer (in my case - Z80 + 40 timer-chips + 64(and more)K RAM
 + interface-card 286<->controller).  I've not finished it yet, I have a real
 difficulty with mixing( Vol Channels, Panning etc.). So,a 286 serves as a bank
 of sounds and songs  and as a spliter of channels. Programming: codes + C
 (users options).
But such the way doesn't lead to satisfactory results in reality, it is
a substitute for real instrument I think.
In ex-USSR I can't buy the trade musical instrument, it's too much expensive,
I hardly got 286 computer (but it is not mine),so I'm forced to do all possible
and impossible with the purpose of having a musical instrument (I'm a musician).
So, I'm in bewilderment, if you have the same problem.

With the best regards,
Michael Nazarov
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth
From: sherman@ecadsr.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Subject: Re: Do built-in effects in a multitimbral box make sense?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:03:12 GMT


In article <3990@news.cerf.net>, maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) writes...
>I seem to remember somewhere that the use of effects within a sound module 
>decreased the number of voices available.  Is this still a consideration or
>is it inaccurate to assume this?  
> 
>maurices
> 
> 

Depends on the box.  A TX81Z uses extra voices to do FX.  A D70 has a
full-fledged FX processor on board that doesn't affect the number of voices
used.  BTW, the D70 also has "direct" outputs which apparently bypass the
FX processor.  I assume that is so that you won't have noise introduced by
the FX processor if you want to use external FX.  But, I've not yet noticed any
difference between the two sets of outputs as far as noise goes.

Steve
From: din@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Clarence Din)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Roland patches... where?
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:36:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I remember downloading a slew of great patches for my D50 from
some archive, but now I forgot where it was!  Help!  I'm looking
for D50 and, possibly, U20 stuff!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Clarence K. Din
Information Systems Specialist III, Dept of Chemistry, Univ of Pennsylvania
din@gradient.cis.upenn.edu
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
I have my toys (D-50+M-EX, SR-16, TurboDuo, SNES, HP48SX) and you don't!  Nyah!
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Does anyone have anything BAD to say about the K2000?
Date: 13 Dec 92 02:58:47 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <2313@sousa.tay.dec.com> gibian@ljohub.enet.dec.com writes:
>One question I have for other owners is:  Have you found a way to
>initiate a note-on, or an alternative mechanism, from something
>other than the keyboard, the song facility, or via MIDI?

Obviously, a note-on message received via MIDI will initiate a note-on.
Are you asking about external MIDI controllers?

>One of the most useful features was to take a signal, say an LFO on
>the K2000, and use that to trigger the start of a new attack/decay
>envolvope.  I can't find anything on the K2000 with which to do
>this?

The ASR1 and ASR2 envelopes may be triggered by any control source.
You could select any of the K2000's LFO's as a control source.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: rhs9145@ultb.isc.rit.edu (R.H. Starmer)
Subject: FOR SALE: KORG DS-8 KEYBOARD
Originator: rhs9145@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: ny
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:43:11 GMT

I have a KORG DS-8 synth for sale.  It is in good condition
and has been well used.  I was hopeing to get about $550 for
it, but I am flexible.  If you are interested, you can reach me
by e-mail at 
      rhs9145@ultb.isc.rit.edu 
   or call me at
      (716) 272-1307 (this number is in New York state.)
  call after 5p.m. and you have a good chance of reaching me.

The specs.
    keyboard
            61 keys
            velocity sensative
            mono (chanel) aftertouch

    synth engine
            FM-synthesis ( based on a Yamaha sound chip )
              but the interface is similar to what you may find in
              a digital analog (eg. old Roland) synth.
            100 sound memory
            10 combination memory
            
    general
            keyboard can control up to two different voices at any 
              one time.  Up to eight different voices through a 
              sequencer.
            comes with a rom card containing 400 voices. ( 100 of 
              which are the factory presets. )
            card slot can also hold cards for 100, 200, and 400 
              programable voices ( I don't have any cards other
              than the rom which is not programable. )

  I think that about covers it.  If you have any questions, either 
  call or email (email is prefferable) and I will answer to the best
  of my ability.

-- 
RHS9145@ritvax.isc.rit.edu  Hey, I just live here!
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From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth
Subject: K2000 memory load/save question
Date: 13 Dec 92 21:06:49 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Albuquerque NM

I'm curious to know how other K2000(R) owners deal with this
situation:

I have a patch bank that uses loaded samples.  When I turn off the
machine, the sample RAM goes away.  The next time I use the box I
must load in the samples again.  However, the patches (which got saved
with the samples) also get loaded in.  This is bad news if I haven't 
saved that patch bank after making changes.  No, I don't want to save 
the patch bank every single time I make a tweak.  I normally save my 
patch banks at regular intervals (usually when I'm done creating 
patches for a song) - but not every time I turn the machine off.

I suppose one solution to the problem is to keep my RAM samples in
a separate bank from my patches so I can load and save them 
independently of the patches.  This solution doesn't seem unreasonable.
I'm just wondering if I'm missing something.  Is there a better way
to handle this?

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: khaberl@bbn.com (Karl Haberl)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: The k2000's effects being weak ???
Date: 11 Dec 1992 20:14:49 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Reply-To: khaberl@bbn.com (Karl Haberl)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <1992Dec11.160241.14341@cs.tcd.ie> phammond@cs.tcd.ie (Paul Hammond) writes:
>>
>>The downsides are when the effects processor(s) are weak (like in the
>>K2000), or when you can't get many independent effects routes.
>>
>>                      Nick Rothwell  |  "Say, how many contemporary dancers
>
>Everybody raves about these effects and sounds and you claim they're weak.
>How come ? What's weak about them, is the sound of the K2000 impressive or
>not ?? Do you mean the effects are weak compared to a dedicated effects
>box or do you mean weak compared to other music workstations ?

Most of the "raving" is about K2000 synthesis methods not the separate
FX processor. The sound of the K2000 is impressive, but it's not due to
having oodles of time-delay based effects (chorusing, reverbs, delays,
flanging, etc.) applied to the sounds, it's due to the power of the *per-voice*
digital signal processing. This DSP includes several different types of
resonant filters, graphic and parametric EQ, distortion, waveshaping, panning,
sync, PWM, exciter, and more. Plus, you have a comprehensive set of
modulation routings available - practically anything can be a modulation
source, including something Kurzweil calls FUNs (functions of other sources).

Now, the separate global FX processor in the K2000 isn't really bad, per se.
The FX are of reasonably good quality, and they are useful.  And you have
good routing flexibility for modulating FX parameters. But compared
to other top-shelf synths out there nowadays it doesn't really measure up.
The Korg Wavestation FX processors are clearly superior, for example.
For one thing, there's only one K2000 FX processor, which (needless to say) is
quite limiting. The good news is that the K2000 has 2 additional pairs of
outputs so that you can route stuff out of the box for outboard processing
(the K2000R offers 4 additional output pairs). For another thing, you
can't independently control the wet/dry mix for individual sounds routed to
the FX buss (at least I haven't found a way yet). All of the effected
patches have the same mix. Finally, while the K2000 engine does a good job
of retaining previously sounding notes while switching patches midstream,
the FX processor prefers to quietly snap-crackle-pop at you when you change FX
settings, which is mildly annoying.


Karl Haberl
Internet: khaberl@bbn.com

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth