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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:54:07 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Nov11.121305.6299@gw.wmich.edu> x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.104630.10722@mercury.unt.edu>, west@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce West) writes:
>>>>In article <1992Nov9.200117.27089@cs.olemiss.edu>, skip@cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>>
>>     Still assuming you the have the afore mentioned system.  First, Amiga
>> blows away the sound blaster pro card - but screw sound...it's not really
>> important.  The 030 beats the 386, the 040 beats the 486 - fact.  The mz.
>> rating on the motorolla chips is about 15% faster than the comprapable
>> Intel chip.  Amiga techies - come back me up  here.  So that is your
>> "raw computing power".  
>>     Now your reference to animation and multitasking is laughable!  The Amiga
>> *is* multitasking.  The IBM does *NOT* premtive multitask - period.  The
>> IBM does not use special coprocessors - period.  To name a few of the
>> revolutionary video and animation devices for Amiga only.... one word,
>> Toaster.  In terms of 24 bit hi-res scientific analysis check out thenew
>> GVP card.
>
>
>	Let me bring you back to Earth now.  Strange a CS major would
>not know that any computer is CAPABLE of preemptively multitasking.  Even
>the commodore 64 could have if it had the OS for it.  Of course, it
>is unlikely that with 64k it could have been done but the point is made.
>	OS/2 preemptively multitasks just as the Amgia does. 
>	Furthermore, my graphics card DOES have a coprocessor so my
>graphcis ARE coprocessed which is why I can do animation.  Do you even
>have a video toaster?  The video toaster exists for the PC by the way.
>As for 68040 vs 486, do you have a 68040?  Only the amiga 4000 comes with
>a 68040 and its 25mhz.  I have never seen anyone with an Amiga 4000 (they
>are still new granted) but my statement was about any Amiga setup I have
>seen and the best Amiga I have seen/used is a 3000.  It is also a long
>and fruitless debate to shoot whether the 486 is faster than the 040 or
>not.  I think the motorolas are better than intels, no doubt about it.

The video toaster for the PC is an A2000 with a toaster card inside and
relabeled Newtek.

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From: kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:21:10 GMT
	<griffita.721293584@sfu.ca>
Organization: NCR Microelectronics, Ft. Collins, CO
In-reply-to: griffita@fraser.sfu.ca's message of 9 Nov 92 07:19:44 GMT

>>>>> griffita@fraser.sfu.ca (David Stuart Griffiths) said:

>	She made a good decision.  Engineers use either PCs or
>workstations by IBM, SUN, DEC or HP -- Not Amigas.

David> True enough

Real Engineers(tm) use workstations, period. ;^)

>	Moving to an Amiga would be a major major mistake.  Most college
>people and nearly all engineers (myself included) have PCs.  If they
>don't have PCs, they have to use the labs.  PCs are far more supported
>than Amigas.

David> I agree, in this SPECIFIC case, the Amiga WOULD be a mistake.

I don't think this is necessarily the case. It really depends on what
kind of computer setup your school uses. I graduated 2 years ago and
where I went to school, we *never* used PCs for EE work. We primarily
used Suns and a few other RISC workstations, a couple of left over VAXen
and HP minis, and a Cray. The primary OS was UNIX.  Professors had
mostly Mac II series computers. 

A PC would have bought me nothing in school.  The Amiga is perfect for
logging in via modem remotely and running SPICE on a Sun while and
editing your lab reports while you wait for the simulation to finish,
etc. The only time I ever used a PC for anything was to fill out an on-line
registration system they had.

The ME's would have had a lot more trouble since they used AutoCAD all
the time.

The only time I've ever used a PC at work was to play Wolf 3D and
lemmings when my SPARCstation was down due to a faulty memory upgrade.
:^)

I've advised friends on a computer for engineering school work and many
times the right answer is a clone but an Amiga might work more often
than you'd think if you went to school or work where the computer
resources are clone-centric.

So your mileage may vary. 
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This ASEXUAL PIG really BOILS my BLOOD...  He's so..so.....URGENT!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:40:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.205946.14263@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

[ ]
>
>The funny thing is that the only PC owners who post regularly are folks who
>have sold their Amigas and bought Clones.  Why is this?  Are you all afraid
>that maybe you didn't make the right decision?

Not quite true. I have a PC and regularly have comments to make about it!
I also have my CDTV and keep a close eye on C='s new line. Not all users of
other systems have poor things to say about the Amiga. In fact the Amiga is
now highly regarded by many. The PC may be able to type words, but this is
hardly something to jump up and down about.

Where one can really be disappointed with the Amiga is in the shortage of 
educational programs/development tools. There's a big market waiting for what
is often referred to as eduware. At the moment the PC and Mac have quite a 
bit of that. Hopefully that will change...
 
[ ]

Philip
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:49:30 GMT

lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
>Gerald G. Washington (gerald@seas.gwu.edu) wrote:
>
>> The Amiga has marvelous multitasking, 24-bit cards, 33MHz 040's, 16-bit
>> audio, etc.  So do 486 systems.
>
>Are you sure that the 486 systems have 33 Mhz 040's :-)

Heh, they wish!

-- Gerald
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& MENSTRUAL JOKES
Date: 7 Nov 1992 20:34:27 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <1992Nov5.200102.3941@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S. Seifert) writes:
>I didnt say it was cool, I only said I could (and I can, but its definitely
>not cool...  but again, I can)  (i almost want to use a smiley, oh god, Im
>becoming a amigoid/hacker geek)

Well, if you're having urges, its understandable.  Dr. Ruth would
probably say something like "Just go with your feelings".

>uh, I would think it would be pretentious for anyone from the state o cheese
>to use words with more than three syllables, but hey, its ok to try, greg...

Well, I'm not FROM the "state o cheese".  I just live here.  You know,
big buildings that people spend lots of time sleeping in so that they
can get up and go to work to pay for it.

>you screwed up the spelling, cheeser.... (but I aint one to point it out...)
>I understand how the flame was ruined by my refusal to capitalize...

Totally.  If you don't say the name with the capitalized first letter
in Centurion, you're actually saying something quite rude in the
language of a small betazoid colony in Betelgeuse, and that's not good.

>Really, you shouldnt be so careful with your writings, this is america you
>know, we really arent supposed to give a shit (thats the bloody brits job...)

More typecasting.  This works in C, but sucks in reality.  Please
avoid it.  If society was a compiler, this would be a warning.

>Also, what if the planet centurion is at the beginning of a sentence...  Will
>I just have to know which someone is talking about ffrom the context??

It's SIMPLE.  If you're talking about centurion, you simply don't make
it the first word in the sentence.  It's that simple.  If you're
talking about Centurion, you don't make it the LAST word.
"Centurion." is pronounced completely different than "Centurion" or
"centurion".  Please be more careful.  After all, the Aliens, and
Elvis, are watching.

Greg


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: CDTV vs CD-I, Photo CD, etc
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:20:48 GMT

TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom Krotchko) writes:
>Do you realize last year around this time the proponents of CD-I were busy
>telling everyone how several Japanese makers were going to introduce players
>this year.  

Last year at this time, CDTV proponents were talking about the Japanese
CDTV consortium, and saying that a DCTV card for Photo CD was imminent :-)

But yes... altho Sony and Kyocera have been renting players in Japan for
the past six months, and Matsushita and Goldstar have shown their units,
most US player introductions will come slightly later than predicted.
To anyone who's been keeping up, it's become apparent over the past year
that Japanese and Korean makers were mostly waiting for FMV first...
not to mention letting Philips pay for the first mass advertising :^)

>And more significantly, the number of titles for CD-I
>hasn't really increased.
 
The number is about double what it was last year at this time, and output
is now getting close to a dozen titles per month.  More significantly,
many Mac/PC/CDTV CD-ROM producers are now or will be creating CD-I titles.
Even rock groups are getting into it.  U2 uses CD-I in their shows, and
Todd Rundgren announced his next album will be interactive on CD-I players.

>I wonder if anyone will have the guts to say "next year several Japanese
>makers are going to introduce players..."

Sure, I'll say that :-)   Is anyone crazy enough to predict otherwise?

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu> <76703.4227@compuserve.com>
From: ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God!  Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 00:26:38 GMT
Organization: Bugend BBS

root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

> The purchase of a computer for college work is controlled by the constraints
> of the school that you are attending.  Unfortunately.

Support Virginia Tech (and all other schools that support Amiga)!

I'd love to see the Amiga more used in education. In computer graphics 
it would be great. But over here we don't even get student discounts... 
:-(


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From: rross@axelon.UUCP (Raymond Ross)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga sightings and other things positive.
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:42:03 PST
Organization: Superboard Two BBS

   Great text!  I own a computer store based in Fallon, Nevada and until
recently all I sold was Clones (they're good for some things, but Amiga will
always be in my main vein).  Now I am waiting clearance from Commdore to be an
affiliate dealer for the Amiga line of computers and I am anxious to carry
their up-and-coming AA based machines.  It's no wonder why the Amiga still
exists-- with groups like yourselves promoting the machine, it should stand
these tests of time and emerge even more so into the mainstream computer market
:)
From: griffin@eecae.ee.msu.edu (Danny Griffin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!!
Date: 7 Nov 92 21:11:00 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:

>In article <5F6cTB2w165w@bugend.edvina.se> ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans) writes:
>>My brother tried to impress a girl with SoundTracker and I took my 
>>girl (we are engaged now) to the AmiCon fair on our first date...

>NO!!!  DON'T DO IT!!!

He could, as RL says, videotape the wedding so he can later watch it in
reverse and see himself walking away a free man.  
-- 
Dan Griffin                    "You stand there with your fixed expression, 
griffin@egr.msu.edu             casting doubt on all I have to say..."
  The true test of Clinton's devotion to the American people will be if he 
  gets rid of the import tariff on German wine!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Re: Monitor for the 1200
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Reply-To: nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 07:00:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.011240.26275@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> clueless@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons) writes:
>Tim Ciceran (tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA) wrote:
>: In article <5NOV199219353483@phobos.ucc.umass.edu> tpoulin@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (THOMAS J POULIN) writes:
>: >	I currently have a a500, and it's hooked up to a television
>: >set.  My 1084s broke... it's not my fault.  Well anyways, I am planning
>: >on upgrading to a 1200 when it is released in the states.  The point I am
>: >trying to make is that I currently need a monitor, but I don't want to
>: >buy one that is incapable of supporting the 1200.  Would the 1960 do????
>: >Suggestions are very welcome,
>: 
>: The A1960 may not be the most cost-effective solution, but if compatibility
>: with modes requiring a horizontal scan rate of < 30 kHz is a priority, it's
>: the best compromise.
>: 
>What modes _won't_ the 1084s let you show?  
>
>Will it do the HAM8 mode properly in the resolutions it does support?
>

HAM8 can be done in all the dozzen or so modes.  The big disadvantage of
the 1084 is that in high-res modes, the display will have to be interlaced
and you'll have the ol' Amiga flicker.  I think another viable option will
be a VGA monitor.  You don't get all the modes with it but (I think) it
will at least give you a high-res mode without interlace.  I don't know
all the pros and cons of VGA monitors.  Some do interlace for the higher
resolution of 724X1024 or whatever it is.  Could someone comment on VGA
with AGA? ...or XVGA and AGA?  All those cheap VGA monitors out there
look interesting.   


                                     NCW
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!!
Date: 9 Nov 92 08:39:41 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <69030@cup.portal.com> by Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser):

> >females and would love to be whistled at.  Men are usually as much or more
> >concerned about their appearance than women and are eager for compliments,

> If you actually believe that men are more concerned about their appearance
> than women, I invite you to visit your local neighborhood dept. store

    I think it's a different kind of concern. I was watching some TV
    program about fashion a while back, and apparently designers have
    to be much more conservative about their mens clothing than they
    do about their womens. In turn, this is at a different level from
    "normal" clothing.

> Harv, white boy liberal of European descent who is, quite often,
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From: kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Motorola is making their own line of computers?
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:58:16 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA


     I saw two advertisements from Motorola with them
advertising a computer line. Does anyone have more information
about this? (Details...I want details). Please E-mail me your
response as my news reader is suffering from temporary brain
damage...8^)

                                     T.K. Kontos

Favorite overheard comment of the week:

   "Pentium??? is that a new flavor of chewing gum?"
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: HAM, Screens, etc (was Re: **** A1200 Info ****)
Date: 5 Nov 1992 16:43:39 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <kdarling.720944751@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
>Well, I don't know if you'd call them "popular" :-)  But they're in use,
>and, as you said, can be _very_ handy in certain situations.

Yup, there he is.  Like an STD that won't go away, he pops up every
time someone mentions CD-I.  ;)

>"Annoy Kevin Darling - give incorrect CD-I info"  :-)  :-)  :-)

;)  Only one?

>It's "24 bit".  Each two bytes for two pixels contains two 4-bit luminance
>(Y) deltas and one 4+4 bit U+V delta set.  The second pixel's U/V info is
>linearly extrapolated from the first.  The resulting 8-bit Y/U/V values
>are then converted to 8-bit R/G/B (24-bit total) for display.

Thanks.  I knew it was SOMETHING like that.  ;)

>Another compression method in use on CD-I is color RLE: the hardware
>takes color run length data and decodes/shows it in realtime... perfect
>for packing cartoon animations either stored in memory or played off disc.
>A single-color line takes only two bytes of data, for example.

Hmm.  As a guess, you couldn't blit that around, could you?  Or do you
just feed it your blitter data run-length encoded?

>Btw, I think that Tandy's VIS system has some form of color RLE, plus
>both 8 and 16-bit YUV (not delta'd, though).  I also seem to recall
>hearing that the original Amiga (Lorraine) designers wanted to use
>DYUV instead of HAM, but ran out of chip space and/or time. (rumor??)

Everyone recalls hearing something like that.  I do believe, however,
that it's just rumor, not based in fact.

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From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons why ...
Date: 7 Nov 92 22:08:45 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki
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Glen Sescila (glens@natinst.com) wrote:

> 	Yeah, that is a good reason to buy something(1200), because it has
> fewer features than its competitor!  That makes no sense at all.  Again, add

Does it? Does Falcon has a full blown 150 pin expansion slot? Does
Falcon fully autoconfigure everything? Does Falcon have a fast
pre-emptive multitasking operating system? Does Falcon have the
ability to run Blazemonger? Does Falcon have a palette of 16 million
colors? Does falcon has resolutions of upto something like 1450*560?
Does Falcon have fully programmable overscan? Does Falcon have
PAL-compability? Does Falcon have copper?

-- 
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This space if for sale  |                        - Metallica
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Amiga-1200 is not for me...
Date: 6 Nov 92 07:16:31 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Nov5.131851.90515@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>, bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
> 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY "Nosferatu" FANG) writes:

>> Why is the Commodore Bridgeboard so expensive?  Commodore can buy lots of
>> parts for its clones, why not subsidize the BridgeBoard production?
>> Commodore should make a cheap '386 clone bridgeboard for the A1200.  I
>> couldn't recommend it to anyone except for current Amiga owners.  I don't
>> believe you can get by at University without something that is IBM
>> compatible to some extent.  Why get an Amiga at all?  Because I believe that
>> it is much easier to use than a Windows or DOS system, has more creative
>> applications and is more fun to use on a daily basis.  IBM PC compatibility
>> should be there for those who *may* need it.
> 
>         It is there, C= has released 2 Bridgeboards. If you can't run
> something on an A2286 Bridgeboard, you're probably better off running it
> on a dedicated 386 box in the first place.
> 
	I would be perfectly happy with a bug free 286 BB.  Too bad one
	doesn't exit.  The 386sx BB with CGA is not cost effective because,
	for the most part CGA software is obsolete on that class processor.
	i.e  Know anyone using Windows with CGA?  The BB is a good idea,
	it just hasn't been executed properly and is too expensive.
  
> 
> 
>            Bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au  OR  bull@monu1.cc.monash.oz
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: A4000 case design (was Re: Top 10 reasons why ...)
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:14:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.110022.5484@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>	Yeah, the 2000 is kinda ugly, but I personaly don't thing the 
>	4000 looks bad.  And the layout of the 'innerds' for the most
>	part seems far superior to the A2000.  I mean you can get five
>	drives in the damn thing!

I agree with you on the layout, in fact so much that I've purhcased an A4000
and am selling my A3000.  As for looks, I may change my mind in the next day
or so when it is on my desk, but the pictures aren't promising.  I really 
could care less what it looks like, but some folks seem to think that the
way a computer looks somehow affects its use.

Speaking of cases, has anyone else seen the November '92 issue of Amazing
Computing?  The A4000 on page 50 does not appear to be the same one as on
pages 48 and 49.  In fact, it appears to be one of the prototypes with the
black face-plate...  Note that the shape of the faceplate is of a different
shape than the actual A4000, it has a PS/2 style lip.  Also, the drive bays
are 3.5", but there looks to be room for a 5.25" drive should the mounting
bracket be modified.  Hmmm....  :-)

BTW, as none of the magazines saw fit to print detailed photos of the insides
of an A4000, I'll photograph it from every angle, both fully assembled and
as disassembled as I dare, then post the scanned images on the net.  I long
for the good old days when AmigaWorld, Byte, AC, and others could be counted
on to do this whenever an new Amiga was released.

>Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization.  My opinions only **

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu