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From:         John Violette <violette@APXTG03.APEX.DG.COM>
Subject:      Balaam

Christia,
Could someone elaborate on who Balaam was in the book of Numbers?  What nation
did he belong too?  If I understand who he is correctly, he was not part of the
exodus, but was still a prophet of God.

John <><

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From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dhahran)
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Subject: prayer
Date: 23 Jan 93 14:46:17 GMT
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Here are some more comments on prayer some of you might find interesting:

>Christians should not be I-centered, but God-centered.  The "I" should
completely disappear in prayer, even as a reminder of the identity of the
person who prays.  True prayer is an outstreaming of love so pure that all
that matters is the good of the whole and the will of God.<  R. Wurmbrand.

>As we pray, we try, so to speak, to separate our bodies from the earth.
We raise the sould to heaven, winged with yearnings for better things.  And
so we drive the soul to the region of holiness, casting off the chains of
the flesh.  For we know quite well that the one who knows God leaves behind
the whole world, just as the Jews left Egypt behind.  Above all, he wants
to be as near as possible to God.<  Clement of Alexandria

>Before the beginning of creation, he already knew what our thoughts would be.
Therefore we may pray without our voices.  We do this by concentrating our
whole spiritual natures on expressing our thoughts to God, turning to Him
with no distractions.<  Clement of Alexandria

>Christians renounce many things.  Renounce also your many requests.<
                                                               R. Wurmbrand.
Just some thoughts.  Peace in Christ, zane of dhahran.
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:57:28 -0600
From:         jesse carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Cell Churches - an answer!
              20 Jan 1993 10:19:03 CST from <sweberg@GARFIELD.WES.ARMY.MIL>

Dear Scott et al ;

Whether a teen sits in with the adults is a matter of the teen's maturity.
However, most teens have enough mental development to take in intangible
concepts. Now, whether additional eatra-church activities should be provided
is a horse of a different colour.  I tend to think that if we do not meet their
social needs as well, someone out there is more than happy to jump in ... often
with detrimental offerings.


Jesse
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:56:15 CST
From:         A16905@ITESO.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Mormon/LDS

What in the .... is the 'baptism of the dead' ?????????????????????

Shalom,
Memo.
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:46:10 -0500
From:         Marissa Ratcliff <MRATCLIF@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Defending Ourselves
              21 Jan 1993 09:22:00 +0000 from
              <Z_STAFF_CL@SOUTHAMPTON-INSTITUTE.AC.UK>

Dear Carol,

   I know of many stories of women taking action in such a way that the crimina
l was detered from their crime.  In one case, a woman found herself being follo
wed by a man with a knife.  She turned around to confront him, and yelled "NO!"
 in a very loud and deep voice.  The fact that she aggressively confronted him
made him turn tail and run.  I know of other cases where women have been succes
sful with physical determent.

   But this kind of defense depends on the woman having a great deal of confide
nce in herself and her abilities.  Not knowing how to properly defend yourself
is a little like carrying a gun without knowing how to shoot.  If you try to de
fend yourself with it, your inexperience will get you into trouble.  The crimin
al, who probably has more knowledge of the weapon than you, will take it away a
nd then it can be used against you.  In the same way, a lot of women's knowledg
e is limited to the assumption that if they knee him in the groin, they'll be o
kay.  But police say that you really have to get a guy good in that area to kee
p him on the ground long enough for you to get away.  If you don't, and the cri
minal catches you, you can be in big trouble.

  I should clarify that my opinions were based on personal experience.  In my c
ase, I had no idea how to defend myself and, therefore, had no confidence that
I could do anything about it, successfully.   My best bet was to submit, and it
 worked.  However, if the guy had really wanted to kill me, I agree that not ev
en submission would have saved me.

  What can I say, it's a tough question.  I think that only God can tell you th
e best way to deal with it when it happens.

  Hey, lets make it mandatory that women be taught self-defense from the time t
hey can walk.  We can have tiny female ninjas running around, beating up on the
 bad guys!  Sorry, I had to lighten up a little; this can be such a depressing
subject.



Marissa Ratcliff              Document Delivery
University of GA              Science Library
Athens, GA
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:17:10 -0600
From:         William Jordan <JORDAN@LATECH.BITNET>
Subject:      Prayer Request for our Family

I have a very important prayer request for our family.  We have had
increasing difficulty with our teenage son (age 15).  He appears
relatively normal (for a teenager that is) most of the time.  However,
occasionally he will respond to a rebuke out of all proportion to what
has occurred.

Yesterday, he got so angry with some discipline that he came after me
and physically attacked me.  My left arm is still sore from that event.
After the event, I did not (physically or emotionally) feel like going to
work.  We called our pastor, one of our elders, and several friends for
advice.  One result is that our son will go to a Christian counselor
on Sunday.  We ask you to pray for him, for us, and for his counselor.
Other than seek counseling, we literally do not have any solution to his
problem.

On the surface, he appears quite normal.  He is involved in our church's
youth group, and attends church with us every week.  These episodes where
he loses control of himself occasionally are not new.  This has been
occurring, off and on, for about four years.  It appears that there is some
deep seated anger against us (his parents) but we do not know why.  We are
not claiming to be perfect parents by any means.  But we have done the best
we can, and for some reason, that is not good enough for him.  We have
sought couselling in the past over this, and have not had good results.
However, we are seeking couselling again for now his behavior has grown
dangerous.

In addition to our confrontation yesterday, we had a similar one last
Monday night, in which he just barely restrained himself from hitting both
his mother and me.  What we do not understand is how he can get angry
so quickly.  Both confrontations went from a mild rebuke to a big
confrontaion in about five minutes.  Another thing we do not understand is
how he can so quickly get over it.  On Monday night, within an hour of our
confrontation, he was quietly (and calmly) talking to me about problems he
had with homework.

I have been almost afraid to be this personal, but we are in a very difficult
situation, and do not know what to do.  Please pray for us.

In Christ, Bill

William M. Jordan            Voice       (318) 257-4304
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:03:38 -0600
From:         jim coen <coen@ACC.WUACC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Mormon/LDS

(Stuff deleted) :

>I was saved almost seven years ago (although I was
>not baptized until a little over a year ago).  The Church of Jesus
>Christ of Latter Day Saints is not Christian.  They believe Joseph
>Smith to be a prophet of God and is worshipped alongside Christ.
>My husband and I do consider them a cult and we are so glad that
>we are now Christians.  We are tolerant of others, but we do pray
>for them since we've been there ourselves and now know the truth.
>

Thank you for your testimony.

God Bless!

Jim Coen
coen@acc.wuacc.edu
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:51:31 -0500
From:         BENSON@POKVMCR3.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject:      Going NOMAIL

From: S. Michael Benson  -POKVMCR3(BENSON)  IBMMAIL(USIB4B43)
                         -benson@pokvmcr3.vnet.ibm.com
                         -MVS System Services Design

Dear friends on CHRISTIA,

I will be going NOMAIL at the end of today for a few days since I will be out
of town. If you think about it you can pray for me as I will be attending a
Christian School Administrator's conference in Lancaster, PA. Our church has a
Christian school as a ministry and I am the school board chairman this year.
We have 125 students, K-12.

We are just in the planning phase for tuition and salaries for next year and
it is a lot of work. I always feel badly when I look at the salaries our
teachers make and compare them to secular teachers in the area. The cost of
living in our area is quite high and most of our teachers cannot afford to buy
a house and barely scrape by with rent. We are having a special church meeting
tonight to vote on a proposed increase to the salary of our pastor because he
is struggling and he makes $15K more than the best paid teacher we have! We
have one teacher who will be leaving our school to become a full time youth
pastor at our church (much needed!) and he will probably get a hefty raise!

Please pray for wisdom and patience for me as I deal with the others in our
church leadership who either can't or won't see that our Christian school
teachers are underpaid. The typical response is that we should drastically
raise tuition. They don't seem to see that if you raise tuition too much then
the poorer people cannot afford it. Then our enrollment suffers. Then we have
to raise tuition more. It is a balance. We already have one of the highest
tuitions for a Christian school in the area.

If anyone wishes to e-mail to me directly my address is:
       benson@pokvmcr3.vnet.ibm.com

I'll be back next Monday!

                                                              .
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Mike                  -P.O. Box 950  Y12A/922-1      8+296-6199
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:43:18 -0700
From:         "Steven E. Hoell" <seh@NEUTRON.PHYSICS.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: SPEAKING OF BAPTIST

Great, Phillip!

BTW, while thumbing through the college basketball scores I
noticed an institution called "Free Will Baptist."

Does anyone know what the Baptist (Southern or otherwise)
position on predstination is? References appreciated.



Steve Hoell             seh@neutron.physics.arizona.edu
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:45:32 -0500
From:         BENSON@POKVMCR3.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject:      Re: Countries Turning to God

From: S. Michael Benson  -POKVMCR3(BENSON)  IBMMAIL(USIB4B43)
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                         -MVS System Services Design


 Scott D. Weberg said...

>This sounds like a great argument at first, and I had to ponder a
>little to figure out why I disagreed with this.

So did yours but something didn't seem quite right...

> ...   Would the *majority* of Americans think
>that he is the best man for the job of making major decisions about
>the welfare and direction of this nation?  No way!  He couldn't even
>make it to all the meetings because of his age and health.  So the
>majority would not have wanted him in the Senate, but Mississippi (a
>very small population) voted him in for their own small interests.  I
>don't think the majority of Americans would vote for Ted Kennedy
>either, but he holds enough political power to ensure re-election in
>his state.

But we live in a country where the MAJORITY rules - fortunately at
sometimes and unfortunately at others.  All it takes is 51% of the
voters being liberal and they can elect 100% of the liberal officials.
Also, you would expect that if there were a majority of conservatives
in the US then there would be other states voting FOR conservatives
and the OVERALL representation would be conservative.

(I think we are treading dangerously close to the statistics discussion
again! :-) )

IMHO, I think many people are superficially conservative because their
conscience tells them to be, but in private, they enjoy all the liberals
have to offer.  Sin has a way of making people hypocritical - unfortunately
myself included sometimes.

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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:13:19 -0600
From:         jesse irwin carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Dave Davis I presume

Dave ;

Sorry for the public post, but I did not have your E-mail address.
I am a strict hermeneutics-advocate.
Hermeneutics is the science of the "do's and don'ts of Biblical interpreting
proceedures.

See the book by R. C. Sproul :  "Knowing Scripture."
You can get it at your Christian bookstore or if you have no way of getting
to one, write me at my E-mail address and I can get one for you.
It is in paperback and is easy reading and simple plain format.

My name is Jesse Carnes and my E-mail address is :

NOTJIC at LSUVM


Now Dave, this is on Bitnet and I hope you can get through.
By the way Dave, I have been studying hermeneutics with my church off and on
for the last 11 years. Good stuff and it makes the Word much clearer!!


Jesse Carnes
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:34:18 +0000
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Scripturette 1/26

God:

"You are the judge of all the earth.  Won't you do what is right?" (Genesis 18:
25).

Lord Jesus Christ:

"For we must all stand before Christ to be judged" (2 Corinthians 5:10).

"The Son of Man will come again in his great glory.  All his angels will come
with him.  He will be King and sit on his great throne.  All the people of the
world will be gathered before him" (Matthew 25:31,32).

"The Father judges no one.  But the Father has given the Son power to do all
the judging.  God did this so that all people will respect the Son the same
way they respect the Father.  He who does not respect the Son does not respect
the Father.  The Father is the One who sent the Son" (John 5:22,23).

"ALL MEN SHOULD HONOR THE SON EVEN AS THEY HONOR THE FATHER" (John 5:23; KJV).


Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo

Scriptures quoted from the International Children's Bible (ICB), New Century
Version, copyright 1986, 1988 by Word Publishing, Dallas, Texas 75039.  Used
by permission.
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:09:46 -0500
From:         John Violette <violette@APXTG03.APEX.DG.COM>
Subject: Re: Ten Commandments.

Dan brings up a good point, one I didn't realize:

context of the New Testament is referring to the entire Torah, not just the
Ten Commandments.  Are you willing to keep the entire law, all 613 of them?

I originally posted a message about the 10 commandments, not the other stuff.

Seeing what Dan is talking about now makes me understand his view better.  I
still say we should keep to the 10 commandments as best we can.

John <><
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:29:47 MST
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Subject:      Re: Christian Seeking correspondence!

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>From: exudtn@exu.ericsson.se (Derek Nelson)
>Subject: Re: Christian Seeking correspondence!
>Date: 27 Jan 1993 14:13:49 -0600 (CST)

Shalom Alex,

Sure! Write away! What's on your mind dude?

Derek
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Date:         Wed, 20 Jan 1993 07:07:22 -0500
From:         Bernice Tennant <U1A9A@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Prayer Request

Please pray for my mother.  She is in the hospital again.  She is getting blood
yet again.  Please pray for me and my family.  I am again questioning what the
purpose of anything is?  I love the Lord, but I can't understand the existance
of living to suffer continually.

Bernice
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:20:47 -0500
From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Last night's Rush Limbaugh Show
              21 Jan 1993 16:16:21 -0600 from <coen@ACC.WUACC.EDU>

I think Rush would be what many would call a cardinal Christian. He
believes in God and all, but won't let that stand in the way of doing
his job.

He admitted to being divorced twice. He said he was out working, making
good money, and they got tired of being "second place" and left for a
man who made about 1/10th his salary. Now some 2-5 years later they
decided it was nice having the "things". So, it sounds like he talks
with his ex-wives, but they just didn't see eye to eye.

He believes in creation, not evolution, he constantly says life is a
"gift from God."

On his humor, I still have to ask Linda what a lot of the jokes are
about. Despite my postings, there's a lot going on in the political
arena that I'm not aware of. Rush will say something, I'll ask what's
it all about and find this person has said or done some "No, no" and
was trying to cover it up. He's also like Don Rickles whom I can't
stand, but he's supposed to have that snappy humor, cutting as it is
from time to time. That may be part of what we like.

Linda and I watch a lot of the English humor shows like "Are You Being
Served?" That also takes some getting used to before you understand it.
They seem to deliver the humor so quick and sudden you got to really
be listening to catch it.

Just some thoughts,
Maks.
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:18:10 -0500
From:         Eric James Ewanco <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Re: HUH?

Excerpts from christia: 20-Jan-93 Re: HUH? "Stephen A. Creps"@SILVE (768)

>    Theresa, you asked whether or not the dialect or language used by
> Jesus and his contemporaries was Aramaic.  As far as I know this is
> true.  There are even instances in the Gospels in which Jesus is quoted
> in Aramaic, for example, Matthew 27:46: "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" or
> "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?"  It is interesting to note
> that these words begin Psalm 22, so it does not seem unlikely that the
> Old Testament Scriptures were learned in Aramaic in Jesus' time.
>
>    I believe another example is the words Jesus spoke to the little girl
> who had died, whom He brought back to life (Mark 5:41).
>
In fact, I someone told me that not only did Jesus speak Aramaic, but
the kind of Aramaic (Aramaic is actually a family of languages) is
Syriac.

Of course he was a little biased, since Greg is a Maronite Catholic, and
they use Syriac in their liturgy!

Eric
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Subject:      Re: Rush Limbaugh

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>From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (D. Keith Rice)
>Subject: Re: Rush Limbaugh
>Organization: University of North Texas
>Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:38:58 GMT

In <CHRISTIA%93012610492634@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU> Lon Mendelsohn
<LMENDELS@CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU> writes:

>You know, I really hate to bring this up as a discussion topic, but I
>really think that we're being just a bit childish over this Rush Limbaugh
>thing.  Some of like him, and some of us don't.  Whether or not we like
>him is not going to have any effect on our salvation.  Why bother taking
>up bandwidth over trivialities?

>I can see Paul writing to us:

>  I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
>  that all of you agree and that there be no dissentions among
>  you, but that you be united in the same mind and in the same
>  judgement.  For it has been reported to me that there is quar-
>  reling among you, my brethren.  What I mena is that each of you
>  says, "I belong to Rush," or "I belong to Clinton," or "I belong
>  to Bush," or "I belong to Christ."  Is Christ divided?  Was Rush
>  crucified for you?  Or were you baptized in the name of Clinton?

>How about we quit this silly wrangling over inconsequential things
>and get back to the business of Christian living?

>Shalom,

>Lon Mendelsohn

Lon,

I agree that the Rush/Clinton thing has gotten out of hand, but I don't
see where your speculation of what Paul would say has to do with this
issue.  The scripture you drew on was in regard to doctrinal issues that
had arisen in the church, not political issues.

In Him,
Keith

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