HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: loney@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Patrick Loney)
Subject: Euro III is full and overflowing.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: :The state of being organized
Date: 21 Jul 1992 08:10 EDT  

     As the subject says, every country has been taken (that's only
68 countries).  The alternate list is also growing but I will always
add people to that list.  Anybody in the game with a country should check
out their country and password to make sure they are working.  And also to
tell me that you have not forgotten and are still interested.  I have been
checking the login.log file to see who has signed on (32 of 68 so far).
If you have no plans on breaking sanctuary on August 6, please let me know
as soon as possible.

     Also, two country names have been changed (with my approval of course)
Trondheim has been changed to Sundsvall and Greece has been changed to Hellas.
There were some good reasons for the changes so please don't deluge me with
requests for changes  ("Hi, I'm the leader of France.  I have been on vacation
to France once and the people there were so stuck up they wouldn't even speak
english.  Could you please change my name to Snooty?")

Pat Loney
A.K.A. Overlord

This is the official Disclaimer:  I did not mean to pick on the leader of
France (who has not contacted me to change his name btw), people who va-
cation in France, people who think that everybody speaks english, or the
snooty french themselves!  This was just an example.
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Re: Euro III
Date: 25 Jul 92 04:26:29 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <24JUL199208423984@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov> loney@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Patrick Loney) writes:
>Country                         Alias
>-----------                     ------------
>Volgagrad			Marc Circle	

I know a guy named Marc Circle, and he does play empire.  If this is the
guy who signed up for your game (marc@fantasy.gatech.edu), throw Volgagrad
to the wolves.  He lost his account after someone in another deptartment
had a hissy fit because he had it ("He doesn't work for Ga Tech, why does
he have an account?!!!!").

Sorry you weren't told before.  I didn't know he was signed up, and he wasn't
even told his account would be disabled.


-- 
Jorge Diaz                       | "You're outmanned, you're outgunned, you're
Georgia Institute of Technology  |      outequipped what else have you got?"
Office of Information Technology | "Guile."
ccoprdj@prism.gatech.edu         |      -- Riker and Worf   "Peak Performance"
From: mendels@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jeffrey Mendelsohn )
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: eldorado.imp.ch down?
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:15:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Does anyone know what happened to the game on eldorado.imp.ch?
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
From: s2842276@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Wanderer)
Subject: Rivals? (WAS--Re: BBN II (how's the game going?))
Organization: the Elves of Briton
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 08:27:32 GMT

tedrick@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick) writes:
>How is BBN II going anyway?
>
>Strange being cutoff from a game I started. Now I know better
>how parents feel when their children are kidnapped.
>

Sheesh, enough is enough already.

Tom, Dave, the pair of you, cut it out.

Considering how highly each of you has spoken of the other, and the amount
of cooperation that went into getting the game together in the first place
the current situation is absolutly rediculous.

Why don't you just work it out instead of constantly complaining and bitching
about it ?!?!?!?

Dave: let Tom back into the game, he certainly deserves to be there, it was 
after all mostly his idea.

Tom: put away your stubborness for just a little while and listen to what Dave
has to say. From what I hear there's a rational explanation behind everything.


Now I make no claim to know what happened or why, and it's really beside the
point. The two of you should be able to figure something out between the two
of you. And then just for the hell of it kick each others ass in the UB game,
because you're worthy opponents, not because of some petty disagreement that
happened while trying to run BBNII.

michael

---

I can see it now, next time I log in to the UB game, they'll have decided to
be allies again--just so they can BOTH declare war on *me*. !:*)


Xref: sparky rec.games.empire:2284 soc.culture.british:10423 alt.war:1514
From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire,soc.culture.british,alt.war
Subject: Re: BBN II -- Murk-o-Vision World Update (Mau Mau)
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:16:54 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <14gneeINNneq@agate.berkeley.edu>, by tedrick@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick):
> Huh? Didn't the British Special Forces (SAS or whatever they're called)
> kick the shit out of the Mau Mau? As I recall it was mainly some damned 
> left-wing feminists and assorted communists, who rotted the British 
> Empire from within, that caused the remaining colonies to drop off 
> after WW2.

Yeah, sure, shooting Gandhi early on would have been the way to go in
India.

-- 
Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire,soc.culture.british,alt.war
From: poser@vxdsyc.desy.de (Till Poser)
Subject: Re: BBN II -- Murk-o-Vision World Update (Mau Mau)
Followup-To: rec.games.empire,alt.war,misc.test
Reply-To: Poser@vxdsyc.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:13:57 GMT

In article <14gneeINNneq@agate.berkeley.edu>, tedrick@whistle.Berkeley.EDU 
(Tom"AFRIKA_CORPS"Tedrick) again demonstrates his utter cluelessness by
crossposting rec.games.empire drivel to genteel groups like 
soc.culture.british:

|>->The King, satisfied, goes back to listening to Zevon sing about the
|>->collapse of the British Empire at the hands of supposed savages...
|>->"the Mau Mau came in '52 / the sun went down and we drew the drapes /
|>->in our old colonial home / we hid behind the Mau Mau gates" 
|>
|>Huh? Didn't the British Special Forces (SAS or whatever they're called)
|>kick the shit out of the Mau Mau? As I recall it was mainly some damned 
|>left-wing feminists and assorted communists, who rotted the British 
|>Empire from within, that caused the remaining colonies to drop off 
|>after WW2.

AFRIKA_CORPS drivel of the finest. There is nary a post of his which 
doesn't contain farflung, if somewhat ludicrous, leftist conspiracy 
theories. I leave it to the gentles in this group to repudiate this
ignorant prattle.

|>I think SAS also kicked the shit out of the guerrillas in Burma? 
|>Too bad we didn't master British anti-guerrilla tactics before we
|>got stuck in Vietnam.

Oh well, AFRIKA_CORPS, possibly the U*S*A didn't learn from the SAS, 
they did, however, borrow quite a couple of pages from The Book of the 
Legion Etrangere that they wrote during the Algerian Conflict, including
Search And Destroy, Bodycounts and the Burning of the Hinterland. And as 
for the French these terrorist tactics did avail the U*S nothing, as 
You well know.

The problem it that the U*S*A didn't understand the conflict at all, and
still don't understand it. The incredible willingness of the Vietnamese 
to soak up punishment and expend troops like so much water, their utter
ruthlessness towards both themselves and the enemy and their ability to
field one operational army after the other were the main contribution
to the humiliating U*S defeat. That, and the fact both U*S forces and
the propped up puppet regime assiduously alienated the local population.
To borrow a phrase of that great guerrilla general Mao Dsedong: "The 
local pouplation is the water in which the guerrilla must swim like a
fish". The Viet Kong and the NVA did understand that phrase very well.
You didn't. And You still don't.

Now run along for some Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder occupational 
therapy on Your little electronic battlefield, where everything nice 
and orderly and calculable, and war is an art, and You can just shoot 
those annoying civs if the fancy takes You.

NOW GET THIS CPRAP OUT OF SOC.CULTURE.BRITISH!

       Till Poser         Internet: poser@vxdsyc.desy.de
-F35- ZEUS DESY/Freiburg  Bitnet:   POSER@DESYVAX
bldg.1b-235, Notkestr.85  Hepnet:   VXDESY::POSER (13313::Poser)
   D-2000 Hamburg 52      Tel.: -49-40-8998-2004
From: brown-sh@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (shawn c brown)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Info about EMPIRE
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:46:13 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science


	I'm new to Empire.  Is there a FAQ to read or something?  I've heard
a lot of good things about empire and I'd like to play...

-Thanks
Shawn Brown
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire,soc.culture.british,alt.war
From: ccchen@krypton.iss.nus.sg (chen chung chih)
Subject: Re: BBN II -- Murk-o-Vision World Update (Mau Mau)
Reply-To: ccchen@iss.nus.sg (chen chung chih)
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:22:01 GMT

In article <852@hobby.ukc.ac.uk> mhs@ukc.ac.uk (M.H.Smith) writes:
>In article <ROTEN.92Jul21132302@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov> roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten) writes:
>>Burma was easier than Vietnam. 
>
>One thing everyone seems to have forgotten is that we (the British)
>were in Vietnam before the US. We ran the country for a while after
>the end of WWII until the French were in a position to take over
>again.
>Originally greeted as liberators, things got nasty for us when the
>locals realised that we were going to hand the country back to their
>pre-war colonial masters. In typical style, we re-armed the Japanese
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^         
>(it's always better to let someone else do your fighting for you) and
>got out as soon as the French were in a position to take over. We
>never got involved again despite US requests (maybe the Americans
>should have learnt from our example).
>
>Malcolm Smith.

Re-armed the Japanese to fight Vietnamese?
Sounds strange.
From: kb@thedog.cis.ufl.edu (Ken Bukauski)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: BBN2...."The Wrath of ?"
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:06:34 GMT
Organization: Redline Orbital Biolaboratories Ltd......"We Cater!"


He's not into music...

He's not into golf...

He's rich, famous, powerful, wealthy, and...

...yes, not afraid to take risks.

A 90's man that plays a 90's game...

      (in progress)


"So what's this I hear about outstanding debts, Vinny?"

Breaking the billiards with a resounding CRACK!, he responds...

"Nothing, small change.  I've already deposited the Saint's account with
 the outstanding balance and included a modest gratuity."

Thinking of the Saint, he wonders if that will be sufficient.  He recalls the
expensive lifestyle of Mr. Wayne and The Cleaning Lady...

(The High Warlord reaches for a control-box and presses a button.  A soft )
(female voice from within the armored pool table responds..."'Flack-Ball' )
(activated, random selection sequence in progress..."                     )

"Be sure to throw in a free maintenance program on all the Stealth hardware
 we've sold him over the years."

(He lines up the 9 ball, shields himself, and sinks it into a side pocket  )
(without calamitous incident.                                              )

"Very generous of you considering that Mirkwood has unregulated it's
 conservationist industries.  At this very moment they comb the waterways
 for enemies of nature.  It's reported that the 'Wild Kingdom' has signed
 a deal with the Elven-King, and that Cousteau is on his way to serve as
 a personal advisor to his Majesty."

(Carefully digesting the last episode of this perilous game, he goes for a  )
(lower risk shot, 5 ball, and braces for a non-existant explosion...the ball)
(delicately drops into a distant corner pocket.                             )

"You don't say?"  He muses..."A country that once tried to sink a continent 
 via multiple torpedo firings is now a major sponsor of the Mutual of Omaha
 nature series?"

(Having trouble containing a supressed laugh, he succombs to the absurdity )
(and knocks a risky 14 ball off-center into a group of billiards...        )

 KABOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!                                               

(After the cacophony of resounding table-top explosions abates, and the     )
(billiard fragments come to rest on the floor, in the walls, in the ceiling,)
(etc.....all that can be heard is the ebullient laughter of the Redline     )
(leader under the debris...                                                 )

Vinny, somewhat dazed but thankful he is still alive, rubs his eyes to regain
a semblance of normal vision.  This will take a stiff drink, if only he could
think of some...

Clearing his throught and conceeding the game, he hears:

"So Vinny, what are the odds on the Elven-King becoming 'born-again' in 
 this lifetime?"

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 _Made_in_Redline       Redline Express Card       "Don't leave your country
                                                    without one!"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 14:36:20 EDT
From: <MXW131@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Trying to start new game

I'm trying to start an Empire game on an IBM PC/RT running under AIX
I think the version is 2.2.1 - I have tried the ucsd code and the psl
code, but neither of them have compiled w/o a huge number of errors.
Are there many functions not supported by AIX that are required to run
Empire? Many of the defenitions and functions it chokes on are not
included anywhere in the /include/ directory.  Does anybody else out there run
Empire under AIX? Help! I'm being stonewalled with all these errors,
Thanks in advance.
Michael.
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire,soc.culture.british,alt.war
From: buckley@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BUCKLEY  CHARLES RAY)
Subject: Re: BBN II -- Murk-o-Vision World Update (Mau Mau)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:59:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.212201.18251@nuscc.nus.sg> ccchen@iss.nus.sg (chen chung chih) writes:
>In article <852@hobby.ukc.ac.uk> mhs@ukc.ac.uk (M.H.Smith) writes:
>>In article <ROTEN.92Jul21132302@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov> roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten) writes:
>>>Burma was easier than Vietnam. 
>>
>>One thing everyone seems to have forgotten is that we (the British)
>>were in Vietnam before the US. We ran the country for a while after
>>the end of WWII until the French were in a position to take over
>>again.
>>Originally greeted as liberators, things got nasty for us when the
>>locals realised that we were going to hand the country back to their
>>pre-war colonial masters. In typical style, we re-armed the Japanese
>                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^         
>>(it's always better to let someone else do your fighting for you) and
>>got out as soon as the French were in a position to take over. We
>>never got involved again despite US requests (maybe the Americans
>>should have learnt from our example).
>>
>>Malcolm Smith.
>
>Re-armed the Japanese to fight Vietnamese?
>Sounds strange.

But true. Just what lesson from the British are we supposed to learn here?
Reading the Prince is just as beneficial.

Charles Buckley

Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
From: MASTRD@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ()
Subject: Any new games starting up?
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:46:15 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

Hey, howdy.

If there are any games starting up soon, or if anyone's bowing out and needs a
replacement, please e-mail.

Thanks a bunch.

-Danger Russ.  (aka Bob the Etruscan.)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: No More 'Re: BBN II -- 'etc Posts, Please
From: jbatka@desire.wright.edu
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:21:55 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

ENOUGH!

I have heard more then I care on this topic.  Please stop!  I don't
want to read anything more on:

  1)  Vietnam
  2)  U.S. Tactics, Soldiers (including Sargeants), Military, Morals
      , Politics, Thinking (I already get more than I can stand)
  3)  British Colonialism, India, Burma, etal
  4)  French Colonialism
  5)  Scandinavian Social Preferences
  6)  19th Century History Lessons
  7)  for that matter 20th Century History Lessons (unless it is
       about WWII, I liked history when it was about that time period :))

I thought this thread was amusing at first not it grates on my nerves!
If I've pissed off any "named" countries ... so be it (just try and
get me, I won't be on any games for the forseeable future anyway)!

BTW, I can't (or haven't figured out how to) put this in my 'kill'
file.  I am NOT on a UNIX system.

I cannot threaten anyone who doesn't stop, I am just asking everyone
to DROP IT voluntarily!  Please, for my sanities sake :) ?

-- 

   Jim Batka  | Always remember ...                        | Buckaroo
   Modemman   |    No matter where you go, there you are!  |   Bonzai
--------------+--------------------------------------------+--------------
   Ruler of   | Work Email:  BATKAJ@CCMAIL.DAYTON.SAIC.COM | Elvis is
  Gaultheria  | Home Email:  JBATKA@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU      |   DEAD!
--------------+--------------------------------------------+--------------
   Jim Batka  | 64 years is 33,638,400 minutes ...         | Beatles
  The Shadow  |    and a minute is a long time.            |   Yellow Submarine
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Especially when I have to skim through those posts looking for good
Empire news!
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
From: loney@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Patrick Loney)
Subject: Euro III info
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: :The state of being organized
Date: 23 Jul 1992 14:39 EST  

(I am probably going to regret this, but...)

I have disabled the break command in Euro III.  You can now sign on and
do lots of stuff.  Like info's and, well, uhh, hmmm, well damit you can
still do info (and map, yeah you can do a map * and say "This is it!  Sh!t.")

As a reminder 22 countries have not bothered yet to check their pass words.
Please do so so I know that you are still interested in playing.  If you are
not interested in playing, please let me know.  I have a nice list of nice
people who would like to play in this nice game but can't get a nice country.


Pat Loney
From: pclark@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (Peter Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Re: Trying to start new game
Summary: Have you tried this....
Date: 27 Jul 92 01:37:12 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston MA. USA 02115

Have you tried using GNUmake?  99.9995% of my problems were solved by using
GNUmake on this DEC.
Xref: sparky rec.games.empire:2286 soc.culture.british:10443 alt.war:1515
From: nlc@vulcan.xtel.co.uk (Neil Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire,soc.culture.british,alt.war
Subject: Re: BBN II -- Murk-o-Vision World Update (Mau Mau)
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:02:05 GMT
Organization: X-Tel Services Ltd.

In article <14gneeINNneq@agate.berkeley.edu>, tedrick@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick) writes:
|> ->The King, satisfied, goes back to listening to Zevon sing about the
|> ->collapse of the British Empire at the hands of supposed savages...
|> ->"the Mau Mau came in '52 / the sun went down and we drew the drapes /
|> ->in our old colonial home / we hid behind the Mau Mau gates" 
|> 
|> Huh? Didn't the British Special Forces (SAS or whatever they're called)
|> kick the shit out of the Mau Mau? As I recall it was mainly some damned 
|> left-wing feminists and assorted communists, who rotted the British 
|> Empire from within, that caused the remaining colonies to drop off 
|> after WW2.
|> 
|> I think SAS also kicked the shit out of the guerrillas in Burma? 
|> Too bad we didn't master British anti-guerrilla tactics before we
|> got stuck in Vietnam.
|> 
|> -- 
|> "King Frederick of Prussia became famous for his regiment of giant grenadiers,
|> spending vast sums kidnapping recruits in every country. No tall man was safe,
|> as far away as Ireland, one even being sand-bagged while celebrating mass in an
|> Italian church. Girls matching in inches were seized in order to mate with them"

Tom Tedrick - the cross-poster from Hell.

Go SAS! SEALS suck sh*t!

Neil Cook (Fraidh).
From: ccoprmd@prism.gatech.EDU (Matthew DeLuca)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Re: BBN II
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:28:14 GMT
Organization: The Dorsai Grey Captains

In article <l7cuihINNan1@calvin.usc.edu> robertw@calvin.usc.edu (Robert Watkins) writes:

>
>	Does anyone know anything about this?  I cannot find
>a reference to what is going on.

>        -=O=-

>        As of Tuesday, Jul 28th, 12noon EST, this
>        game moved to chainsaw.ecn.purdue.edu
>        (128.46.159.151), port 1666.

Um, Rob, have you tried plugging those numbers into your client and 
seeing what happens?

-- 
Matthew DeLuca                      "I'd hire the Dorsai, if I knew their 
Georgia Institute of Technology      P.O. box."
Office of Information Technology                - Zebediah Carter, 
Internet: ccoprmd@prism.gatech.edu              _The Number of the Beast_
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire,soc.culture.british,alt.war
From: roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Subject: Re: BBN II -- Murk-o-Vision World Update (Mau Mau)
Organization: /cuba_b/dirbe/roten/.organization
X-Newsreader: GNU Emacs 18.57.1, GNUS 3.13, NNTP 3.10
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:23:02 GMT

In article <14gneeINNneq@agate.berkeley.edu> tedrick@whistle.Berkeley.EDU 
(Tom Tedrick) writes:

>->The King, satisfied, goes back to listening to Zevon sing about the
>->collapse of the British Empire at the hands of supposed savages...
>->"the Mau Mau came in '52 / the sun went down and we drew the drapes /
>->in our old colonial home / we hid behind the Mau Mau gates" 

>Huh? Didn't the British Special Forces (SAS or whatever they're called)
>kick the shit out of the Mau Mau? As I recall it was mainly some damned 
>left-wing feminists and assorted communists, who rotted the British 
>Empire from within, that caused the remaining colonies to drop off 
>after WW2.

Oh, my.  I'm forced to rain on Ted's parade again.  :-)  

What 'rotted' the British Empire was the conjunction of two trends .. 

1) A complacency that undermined the competitive edge of British industry, 
   and 
2) The fact that the 'nation at arms' idea was *not* a big secret, and 
   any British colony that could buy or locally produce it's own small 
   arms could make use of that principle .. to the detriment of it's 
   British overlords.  

Once the Japanese did the colonies the favor of sinking both the Repulse 
and the Prince of Wales *after* they had been alerted to the Japanese 
attack on Pearl Harbor, the myth that Europeans were unbeatable in the 
field was history .. dead history.  Then, given the hideous stategic 
overstretch the British Empire already labored under, and the numerical 
superiority of the colonies, and the shattered condition of post-WW II 
Britain, the whole thing was over.  And many senior British soldiers and 
statesmen, like Lord Mountbatten, well understood this.  

>I think SAS also kicked the shit out of the guerrillas in Burma? 
>Too bad we didn't master British anti-guerrilla tactics before we
>got stuck in Vietnam.

Burma was easier than Vietnam.  The guerillas (the Huk, I think) were not 
NEARLY as numerous, nationalistic, tenacious, or experienced, as the Viet 
Cong and NVA we ran into.  Though I do not mean to slight the SAS!  Those 
guys are *damned* good!  But I suspect they would have found themselves 
neck-deep in sh*t in Vietnam, just like we did.  Though I must admit, the 
military idiocies of the McNamara period left the U.S., in particular, 
poorly prepared for the kind of light-infantry war we faced in Vietnam.  

--
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