HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
Subject: Re: A number of questions
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 03:25:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.023922.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cl129502@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>Hello, I am new and I have several questions:

Time for the Frequently Asked Questions
  112730 Jun 13 12:23 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tsfaq29.zip

"If you do not know how to go about getting and utilizing this
material, users are welcome to email me for the prerecorded
garbo.uwasa.fi instructions (long, circa 29Kb).  North American
users are referred to the Garbo mirror on wuarchive.wustl.edu. 
Australian users are referred to the archie.au mirror.  For the
Asian users there is the NCTUCCCA.edu.tw mirror.  The mirrors may
lag occasionally, or might not have all the files.  If you do not
receive my reply within five days, please ask your own site's system
manager to construct a returnable mail path for you". 

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi Bitnet: salmi@finfun   ; SF-65101, Finland


Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Duplicate .sigs ?
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:27:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.215331.21880@nrao.edu> phart@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Paul O. Hart) writes:

>The *USUAL* reason for this is that the person
>sending the message has used a program which will
>or does append a sig file automatically and thinks
>that he/she needs to append one as well.

It is also possible that the newsreader has been incorrectly
installed.  During installation, both t?rn and C news ask you if
users' .signatures should be automatically appended to posts; if the
system manager says "yes" both times, both systems will add the user's
signature to the posted message.  If you send a note to the user about
this, carbon copy it to "root".

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
Subject: Re: signature file
Originator: guckes@medusa
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:06:07 GMT

dhenchoz@ulci20.unil.ch (Daniel HENCHOZ) writes:

>I've tried to give a signature file to all my articles without success
>using XRN. I've created a file ~/.signature which contains my signature,
>and I've called xrn with the option "-signatureFile ~/.signature".
>When I post an article this file is not added to the article.

Send your sig to KIBO@not.a.clue.oz to have your sig approved first.
Then post the approvement together with your sig to alt.fan.warlord.
If less than ten newsreaders do not veto it then after two weeks 
you'll receive a sig licence via email along with an installation
guide for your news reader.
This entitles you to append it to 5 posts per day provided you do not
make changes or additions to it.

Hope this helps.
Sven :)

-- 
Sven@rtfm.man.edu | (Yeah, that's the ticket.)
From: cxy11@po.CWRU.Edu (Chih-Hsiang Yao)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: How to mail uunet!mwc!sales
Date: 11 Sep 1992 19:01:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


you are wrong'[D
-- 
FROM: JASON Chih-Hsiang YAO     cxy11@po.cwru.edu
      Dept. of maromolecular science
      Case Western Reserve Univ.
From: horn@igd.fhg.de (Matthias Horn (G.Lux))
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: How do I get uk. newsgroups ?
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:43:59 GMT

How can I get the uk.* groups ? Is there a mailing-list or an ftpable
archieve ?

Thanx
	Matthias
From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: How can I load only Newsgroups I like?
Date: 9 Sep 1992 05:34:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


How can I load only the newsgroups I like, instead of all
3,811 of them (increasing steadily) ?
I am accessing Usenet through Cleveland Free Net (prob obvious)
and sometimes it takes several minutes to load all those
newsgroups, if which I tend to value about 40.
about 40 newsgroups are relevant to my personal interests.
-- 
            Mike Romano     Univ. Calif. Berkeley
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: bferguso@techbook.com (Robert Ferguson)
Subject: TEST .sig
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Distribution: techbook
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:00:49 GMT

This is a test, this is only a test. 

-- 
Internet bferguso@techbook.com | "Man that is born of a woman is of few
GEnie    b.ferguson8           | days, and full of trouble," Job 14:1.
FIDOnet  1:105/369             | What the heck! "don't worry, be happy"
From: abraxas@wizard.GUN.de (Reinhold Prickartz)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1992 23:41:20 +0100
Organization: *private Amiga site Cologne*
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Distribution: world
Subject: Do any groups cover PenPal-FriendShip
X-Newsreader: Ann 0.9


That Subject say it all.

Reinhold

-- 
     /\  Reinhold (abraxas@wizard.GUN.de) Prickartz
 *  /oo\ My Machine is the Wizard! I'am not! I shot down the Signature-Virus!
  \ \{}/
   \/  \  Gott erschuf den Menschen, weil Er vom Affen enttaeuscht war!
   /----\ Von weiteren Experimenten, hat Er dann abgesehen! (Mark Twain)
    Y  Y
From: rem@btr.BTR.COM (Robert E. Maas  rem@btr.com)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: ftp newsgroup
Date: 12 Sep 92 15:20:31 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

ktiedtke@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kurt Tiedtke) asked:
<<Is there a group that covers what files are available by FTP?  I am
looking for a discussion group to find out more about resources,
something beyond just doing subject searches via Archie.>>

The following entries in MaasInfo.TopIndex might help (if you don't
have TCP/IP service and they've expired from the newsgroups at your
host, and you just can't wait until they appear again, then I suppose
you can use ftpmail to get them):

ODIN.FTPLIST (163k) -- List of all known anonymous-FTP sites, with a
general description of archive topics for each. Same as ODIN.SITES except
in expanded white-delimited fields format, by odin@pilot.njin.net (Jon
Granrose). Posted to: comp.misc, comp.sources.wanted
ftp pilot.njin.net (128.6.7.38) pub/ftp-list/ftp.list
ftp syr.edu (aka ftp.syr.edu) (128.230.1.49)
      networks/doc/ftplist.txt (151k)

ODIN.SITES (90k) -- Same as ODIN.FTPLIST except in compact "::"-delimited
fields format, by odin@pilot.njin.net (Jon Granrose).
ftp pilot.njin.net (128.6.7.38) pub/ftp-list/sites

(See also Chapter 3: of the InterNet Resource Guide for FTP sites.)
From: king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist)
Subject: Re: This is not a test
Reply-To: king@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:41:21 GMT

lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey) publicly declared:
>How much good will this FAQ do someone on the system I get news on, which runs
>SCO, if it looks at things from the VMS point of view, or vice versa?  I think
>a comprehensive list would be a bit much to ask, and a bit much to post...

Actually, the Meta-FAQ shouldn't include specifics about newsreaders, 
operating systems, or such things.  What it *SHOULD* do is cover topics
common to every user on Usenet.  Topics include:

    o List which FAQ lists are important for *ALL* Usenet users to read
      (as opposed to, say, the FAQ list for soc.culture.potsylvania,
      which is important to a very small segment of the user population)
    o List which groups (in addition to news.answers) the important FAQ
      lists are posted to, and how often
    o Tell where to get more information (Unix 'man', CMS 'help', talk
      to other users and especially the sysadmin at your site, etc.)
      but don't dwell on the specifics of any one type of system.
      Stress the importance of TALKING TO YOUR SYSADMIN!

This should all be done very succinctly in as short a post as possible.
New users (hell, even experienced users!) tend to suffer from
information overload and won't put up with having to read a long,
tedious article telling them where to find more long, tedious articles.

No, I'm *NOT* volunteering to write it!

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------
A CPU cycle is a terrible thing to waste.              |      Steven King
                                                       |   Motorola Cellular
                                                       |   king@rtsg.mot.com
From: terryg+@pitt.edu (Terrence J Golightly)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: PHARMACIA BIOTECH?
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:52:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Hello new netters,

I am one also. I have one question. I would like to reply to messages on
the net with out using the vi editor. Please let me know if this is
possible, and if so how I can do this.


		Thanks in advance,

			 Terry Golightly 
-- 
Terry Golightly               email Address: terryg+@pitt.edu
Student Consultant
Computer Informations Systems
University of Pittsburgh
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: news@geovision.gvc.com (News Administrator)
Subject: Re: This is not a test
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 00:22:52 GMT

In <JAAPJL.92Sep11101416@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov> jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap) writes:

>In article <1992Sep10.235103.26915@ctr.columbia.edu> chandan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ikramuddin Ahmed) writes:
>   A question to all those who post test messages to this group: Do you guys
>   receive rude replies from an asshole somewhere in the USA? If yes, could 

>If you're referring to me, I've gotten more thank-yous than flames (and
>many more non-responses) when I've sent a note similar to this:

I'm not usually as polite as Mr. Jaap when I see a test message in a group
that I'm reading.  It seems to me that Ikramuddin Ahmed needs the 'reward'
he's been talking about - for defending the indefensible.  Once you have
been told about the presence of test groups, then posting test messages to
non-test groups is painting a big sign for the whole virtual world to see
that you are an asshole and can't be trusted to do the right thing on this
net.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, News Administrator Extraordinaire.  (pt@geovision.gvc.com)
You all know that this stuff is my opinion, don't you?  Nothing to do with
GeoVision at all.  Honest!  "I wish the Meach would make me do it"
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: chandan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ikramuddin Ahmed)
Subject: Re: This is not a test
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Summary: Tests
Keywords: Tests, newsgroup police, flames.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:51:03 GMT
X-Posted-From: huey.cc.utexas.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

A question to all those who post test messages to this group: Do you guys
receive rude replies from an asshole somewhere in the USA? If yes, could 
you please post his email-address to this group? We could compare and see
if it is a single guy taking all the burden of being the sole new.newusers.
questions newsgroup-police/watchdog. Then we might decide upon rewarding 
him with something appropriate!

Thanks, and my apologies because _I_ have lost the guy's address who did it to
_me_ quite some time back; (did not want to save it in the first place, thought 
I was the only fool to have posted a test message to this group).

IA

ps: This is a four-fold test message, by the way: 1. A test to see if there
really exist newsgroup watchdogs; 2. If they do, the number of such wd-s;
3. The "inflammability" of such wd-s and 4. The actual appearance of my new
.signature file at the bottom of an actual article :-)
-- 
(:-{>                                                (Yeeup, that's me!)
From: Gloria.Bearss@f210.n103.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: (*****m******%^
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Aug 21 1992
Date: 11 Sep 92  09:02:19

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Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: Re: Starting a newsgroup
Organization: AS&M Inc
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:57:31 GMT

In article <=-snrxf.mesm@netcom.com> mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris) writes:
   lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
   : I want to start a newsgroup.
   : But how do I do it?????????
   Check out the FAQ that can be found in news.answers on 
   this topic.

More verbosely,

Read the article with Subject: How to Create a New Newsgroup
periodically posted in news.answers, news.admin, news.groups,
news.announce.newgroups, and a few others.  If it's expired at your
site, you can get it via anonymous ftp from rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.admin/How_to_Create_a_New_Newsgroup .

If you don't have ftp, send mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu
with message
send usenet/news.admin/How_to_Create_a_New_Newsgroup

Send message `help' for more info about the mail-server.
--
J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@LaRC.NASA.Gov> +1 804/864-2148
employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
From: Jon Freivald <jaf@jaflrn.UUCP>
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Clipper
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 19:28:55 EDT
Organization: The Wizzard's Cave, East Meadow, NY

Is there a newsgroup or mailing list on the topic of Nantucket's Clipper?

Please E-mail, as I don't read this group often.

Jon

=============================================================================
		   Jon Freivald ( jaflrn!jaf@uunet.UU.NET )
	 Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it.
=============================================================================
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: jongsma@esseye.si.com (Ken Jongsma)
Subject: Guest Account?
Reply-To: jongsma@benzie.si.com
Organization: Smiths Industries
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:02:56 GMT

I have a friend who is the sysadmin of a machine that is physically
on the internet. He would like to be able to read the netnews in a
couple of specific groups.

He is somewhat inexperienced and would rather not try to install
cnews at the present time. I suggested that he ask someone for a
guest account solely for the purpose of reading news. He would
be able to telnet to that machine.

So.... Is there some kind sole that would offer him a guest
account with access to netnews?

'preciate any leads!

Thanks,

Ken

-- 
Ken Jongsma                                          ken@wybbs.mi.org
Smiths Industries                               jongsma@benzie.si.com
Grand Rapids, Michigan                      73115.1041@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: mgflax@ernie.Princeton.EDU (Marshall G. Flax)
Subject: Re: ftp newsgroup
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:22:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.193721.22735@Princeton.EDU> I wrote:
>_ garbo.uwasa.fi		-- (It's better to use its wuarchive mirror)

As Timo Salmi kindly pointed out to me in e-mail, wuarchive.wustl.edu's
mirror is most appropriate for kind North American (and, depending upon
connectivity issues I know nothing about, South American as well) users.
European users have the advantage of being able to directly contact
garbo without crossing the Atlantic, and probably already know about
garbo's resources.  Users in the rest of the world are encouraged to
create/publicize garbo mirrors of their own.

marshall
-- 
============ 40 Linden Lane, Princeton, NJ 08540, 609-921-0962 ============
=========== 5 Joyce Lane, Woodbury, NY 11797, 516-364-9331,9379  ==========
===== c/o Jack Gelfand,Psych Dept,Princeton U.,NJ 08544,609-258-2930  =====
= Original material(c) 1992, Marshall Flax <mgflax@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> =
From: chris@reblaus (Christian Kaiser)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: Clipper
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 13:28:22 WET
Organization: WU-Wien
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: reblaus.wu-wien.ac.at

In article <wqXuqB1w164w@jaflrn.UUCP> from [Wed, 09 Sep 92 19:28:55 EDT] you wrote:
 |> Is there a newsgroup or mailing list on the topic of Nantucket's Clipper?
 |> 
 |> Please E-mail, as I don't read this group often.
 |> 
 |> Jon
 |> 
 |> =============================================================================
 |> 		   Jon Freivald ( jaflrn!jaf@uunet.UU.NET )
 |> 	 Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it.
 |> =============================================================================

There are two newsgroups that cover clipper specific questions:

bit.listserv.dbase-l
comp.databases

--
Christian Kaiser     chris@reblaus.wu-wien.ac.at, chris@wufisa.wu-wien.ac.at
Vienna University of Economics and Business Administration 
Augasse 2-6,  A-1090 Vienna, Austria		
Tel: +43 (222) 31-336 x4040

Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: sdm@cs.brown.edu (Scott Meyers)
Subject: Newsgroup for endangered species?
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:05:30 GMT

I'd like to find a newsgroup or discussion list relating to endangered
species, their protection, threats to them and their enviornments, etc.  I
have a personal fondness for lemurs and other things Madagascarian, but I'm
also interested in the topic in general.  I checked all the newsgroup
listings we have here, including alt, bin, and clari, but incremental
searches in Emacs for these words in the newsgroup titles,

    species
    ecology
    conservation
    animal
    zoo
    nature

turned up only these possibilities:

    sci.environment         Discussions about the environment and ecology.
    bit.listserv.biosph-l	Biosphere, ecology, Discussion List.

I took a look at sci.environment, but it didn't seem to discuss the topics
I have in mind.  We don't get the bit groups, but I imagine I can find a
way to get myself on the mailing list for that group; I've managed that
before for other listserv lists.

So, have I overlooked some appropriate newsgroups?  I didn't expect to find
a talk.lemurs or a soc.madagascar (I searched for those words, too), but
can there really be nothing in the usenet newsgroup universe dealing with
animals more exotic than dogs and cats?  And surely there *must* be some
newsgroups that deal with species preservation, habitat conservation, etc.,
nez pah?

Scott

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Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
Subject: Re: Question about my .signature
Originator: guckes@medusa
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: news.newusers.questions
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 15:23:32 GMT

hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>How do you make your .signature file longer than 4 lines?

Use an editor and patch your news posting software.

>I got a message when mine was over that, then it just truncated the extra
>lines when my message was posted...

Good! ;)

-- 
Sven guckes@math.fu-berlin.de
Borders, whitespace, big ugly ascii fonts and pictures, multiple addresses,
disclaimers, fax/phone numbers, witty sayings - who needs them ? Remember:
"Four lines suffice!"
From: art@wvus.org (Art Nicolaysen)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: How do you rename a thread?
Date: 5 Sep 92 21:45:05 GMT
Reply-To: art@wvus.org (Art Nicolaysen)
Organization: World Vision U.S.

In article <6406@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> daniel@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Daniel Kranowski) writes:
>I've seen threads like "Re: TITLE #1" turn into "Re: Title #2 (was Re:
>TITLE #1)".  Under what circumstances is renaming a thread appropriate?
>Also, how do you do it?
>
You want to rename a thread when the discussion wanders from the
title given in the Subject: line.  This is best done by posting within
the news reader (F or f if you're using rn, trn) *not* by posting from
the command line via Pnews or postnews.

Before you finish with your post, edit the Subject: line.  This is
mainly for the benefit of humans (and older, non-threaded news reader
S/W), who only have the Subject: line to refer to.  Also, if
the discussion has really wandered, remove the References: line, so
that trn and other threaded newsreaders will treat it as an new thread
and not a subthread.  This gets really annoying when I want to follow
the subthread and not wade thru unrelated parent-threads (sorry,
can't think of a good example at the moment).

Hope this helps,
Art

-----------------------------------------+----------------------------------
  "A classic is a book that people       | Art Nicolaysen    art@wvus.org
   buy, and then don't bother to read" 	 |
  		     Mark Twain		 | (somewhere in los angeles county)
-----------------------------------------+----------------------------------
From: glh@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (Gene A Heyler)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: SLIP access to news
Date: 6 Sep 1992 20:42:29 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


   I've used TRUMPET news reader at work for a long time where I have
direct access to the worldwide Internet, thus I can access any news
server of my choosing on the net.

   I am also attempting to use TRUMPET from my home via dial up SLIP
protocol to a terminal server at work. Unfortunately, the terminal server
only allows access to in-house computers, thus I'm stuck with a news server
that has a very limited subset of news groups. So....... the question is:

   Are there any public access SLIP servers that would allow access to all
of the Internet? Is it Telnet-able to? That is, one scenario for me might be
to dial and login to a mainframe at work, Telnet to a SLIP server, then enter
SLIP mode with TRUMPET and access my favorite news server.

  Is this at all possible?    (I'm new to SLIP, so forgive my naivete')

Gene
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: mgflax@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Marshall G. Flax)
Subject: Re: ftp newsgroup
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:22:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.193721.22735@Princeton.EDU> I wrote:
>_ kragar.eff.org		-- ElectronicFrontierFoundation

That should be ftp.eff.org, for long-term flexibility.  Sorry.

marshall
-- 
============ 40 Linden Lane, Princeton, NJ 08540, 609-921-0962 ============
=========== 5 Joyce Lane, Woodbury, NY 11797, 516-364-9331,9379  ==========
===== c/o Jack Gelfand,Psych Dept,Princeton U.,NJ 08544,609-258-2930  =====
= Original material(c) 1992, Marshall Flax <mgflax@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> =
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Subject: Re: downloading files via modem
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 05:04:24 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
: I am on internet via a modem link up into the University of
: Houston VAX cluster.  How do I download files from my account
: to the hard drive of my IBM Compatible.  I wish to download
: them as ascii files so that I can pull them up in 
: Wordperfect.
: 

several systems provide X,Y,Z modem tranfer - usually
the program is called sz (Send zmodem), sx or sy.
If not check out kermit.
--
Mary E. S. Morris    |  The future exists first in imagination, then
mesm@netcom.COM      |  in will, then in reality. -- Galivan Burwell
=====================================================================
Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA
From: weiss@LEOPARD.CS.UIDAHO.EDU (Phil Weiss)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Test (sorry to bother you)
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:37:05 GMT


--
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(Disclaimer: My views are not their views)	weiss872@snake.cs.uidaho.edu