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From: llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: fat smelly boyfriend
Date: 21 Aug 92 06:59:53 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

kovarik@utkux1.utk.edu (SaintMeechTheChaste) writes:

: This can be fun, 
: but as pointed out above, it may have certain elements of shallowness 
: associated with it.  Which is why people do get bored of it. Why people do 
: more of this when they are younger....  Why people may do more of this when 
: they are unhappy, because quick and easy responsibility-free sex can be a
: placebo which can make you feel better-- in the short term at least.

my promiscuous phase happened right after my lifequake. i was newly
divorced, living in a strange town, knew only people i met online. i'd
ben married for six years to the first guy i'd ever slept with, and i
was very overweight (i've lost 100 pounds since then and still wanna
lose 20 or so). i was unhappy, insecure, and wanting to feel good
about myself. i'd meet people online, they'd think i was cool, we'd
end up having sex. most of the people i met this way are still
friends, which is pretty amazing, considering.

as i lost weight and grew more confident, i stopped saying yes to
everyone. then i went through a brief phase of being like a man; i was
into conquests and "i think i'll seduce this guy just to see if i can
seduce him." not very attractive; thinking about it now makes me
queasy. 

then i fell in love, broke up, and now i'm pretty much being celibate,
waiting for someone to come along and matter. i have a lot of friends
who are male (including a bunch of gay boys) and i'm fairly happy with
my life. i've stopped measuring my worth by who wants to fuck me.

but i think sometimes just sex is a good release. who knows?

: I think the ideal may be best expressed by the quote from "The Good
: Soldier" by Ford Madox Ford which I posted yesterday.  But that is my 
: opinion.  Others may disagree.

i think the ideal is finding passion and friendship and not getting it
all screwed up.

i have no clue why i'm posting all this, btw, in case anyone was
wondering. but there it is. wheeee. thud.

--
sine nomine
debbie martinson
"hold my life until i am ready to use it. hold my life 'cause i just
might lose it" -- the replacements
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: fat smelly boyfriend
Keywords: fat fat fat smelly smelly
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:23:28 GMT
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA

In article <1992Aug11.180759.10380@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins) writes:
>>
>
>hmmm. the fat part probably wouldn't bother me. the smelly part definitely 
>would, though. can't you ask him to wash a little more often? maybe leave 
>him a little bath set as a gift somewhere? or perhaps you're hoping that he'll
>read the net and dump you so you won't have to worry about it?
>
>i'm tall, smart, and i do have big boobs. it doesn't make a difference. the
>smart part scares 'em every time....

Well, I'm not scared....more like intrigued..Boob size has little to do with it.

---Steve
-- 
Stephen Okay  sokay@mitre.org
"Welcome to the Politically Correct States of America. Please turn your mind
in to the nearest oppressed minority pressure group. It will be returned to
you once we've decided what you can think"
From: nexus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Arseny Nikolaev Markov)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: fat smelly boyfriend
Date: 13 Aug 1992 22:00:05 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

boesch@cs.washington.edu (Eric Boesch) writes:

>jethro@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mary Ellen Paul) writes:
>[well, never mind the formalities.  Let's get to the meat of this.]
>>I'm tall, smart, and don't have big boobs.

>These are grave problems, but they all have the same solution.  As my
>mother always said, "A lemming that dreams of flying like an eagle
>just ends up plummeting to a horrible, grisly death."

>Let's look at some of the likely causes of the third and most serious
>problem.  Concentrate on fixing this handicap and the other two will
>take care of themselves.

>The usual reason for inadequate breast size is insufficient frequency
>of reproduction.  But you're not married, so that's not the reason.
>So try these explanations on for size:

>constriction: have you been doing silly things like wearing lingerie?
>Or perhaps even reading, and resting books in improper locations?

>insufficient blood flow: there are many ways this can happen.  For
>example, shoes often restrict the wearer's circulation; I recommend
>that you go barefoot.  Thinking too much can also drain blood from
>where it's more needed.

>harmful effects of gravity: avoid sitting, sleeping or lying on your
>back unless a man specifically asks you to.  Second, spend a few hours
>each day hunched down over the furniture or kneeling on the floor with
>a dustrag or disinfectant, doing what comes naturally.

>Thermal contraction: Spend a few hours each day leaning over a hot
>stove, doing what comes naturally.

>In other words, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK LIKE A WOMAN, ACT LIKE ONE!

>Anyway.  Judging people's lives like a shell-less hermit crab judges
>mansions is a fun game.  But it's not a way to make someone leave
>this newsgroup.  For that, compliments probably work better.

You DID it, Eric! Boy, I haven't laughed so much on a alt.angst poster
since the very beginning of my dwelling in this newsgroup! I love it,
Eric! Wow, I'm still laughing... I couldn't delete ANYTHING of it, it's
so perfect in shape and style! I didn't really wanna flame the poor
creature who posted the original but you did it so elegantly! Actually,
she should be gratefull to you and follow strictly your advices. So her
VALUE AS A WOMAN in her miserable relationship will grow immensely!

Now make me leave this newsgroup!


the evil NEXUS (still histerically laughing)
From: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Rebel without a grant (was fat, smelly)
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:02:12 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <17861@acorn.co.uk> ABienek@acorn.co.uk (Alex Bienek) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.160650.15173@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins) writes:
>
>>indeedy...
>
>Been watching Red Dwarf have we ?
>
but of course..

>>ObAngst: my parents arrive today, bringing my brother to the university. all
>>his bills are paid, they're giving him a car, and buying him food and books,
>>when i can't even afford to pay my bus fare.
>>i hate this bitter feeling. it's not his fault.
>
>I have a friend who has (or had) exactly the same problem. Her parents
>intended her to marry a doctor or lawyer, have kids etc. Instead she
>moved into rented accommodation and did a PhD. They wouldn't speak to
>her for the first six-months, even now (eight years on) they will not
>visit her, she must go to their house.
>Fortunately, being in England, she got a grant and wasn't dependent on them
>for money.
>
>Being a British citizen I would have thought that you would have been
>entitled to a grant in this country, is that not so ?

no, because i am not attending a british university, and never have. also, i 
am an undergraduate, and so grants don't happen that often to us...

but thanks for the suggestion..

bah.

--
		-just give me what for,
	rachel perkins =  rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu
      "Chastity..the most unnatural of all the sexual perversions...."
					-Aldous Huxley
From: kovarik@utkux1.utk.edu (SaintMeechTheChaste)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: fat smelly boyfriend
Keywords: fat fat fat smelly smelly (perhaps grotesquely rotund, spheroid)
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:26:08 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Oil and Lube Center


"I have come to be very much of a cynic in these matters; I mean that it is
impossible to believe in the permanence of man's or woman's love. Or at
any rate, it is impossible to believe in the permanence of any early passion.
As I see it, at least with regard to man, a love affair, a love for any 
definite woman, is something in the nature of a widening of the experience.
With each new woman that a man is attracted to there appears to come a 
broadening of the outlook, or, if you like an acquiring of new territory.
A turn of the eyebrow, a tone of the voice, a queer characteristic gesture-- 
all these things, and is these things that cause to arise the passion of
love-- all these things are like so many objects on the horizon of the landscape
that tempt a man to walk beyond the horizon, to explore.  He wants to get, as
it were, behind those eyebrows with the peculiar turn, as if he desired to see
the world  with the eyes that they overshadow.  He wants to hear that voice
applying itself to every possible proposition, to every possible topic; he
wants to see those characteristic gestures against every possible background.
Of the question of the sex instinct I know very little and I do not think
that it counts for very much in a really great passion.  It can be aroused
by such nothings-- by an untied shoelace, by a glance of the eye in passing--
that I think it must be left out of the calculation.  I don't mean to say that
any great passion can exist without a desire for consummation.  That seems to
me to be a commonplace and to be therefore a matter needing no comment at all.
It is a thing, with all its accidents, that must be taken for granted, as,
in a novel, or a biography, you take it for granted that the characters have
their meals with some regularity.  But the real fierceness of desire, the real
heat of a passion long continued and withering up the soul of a man, is the 
craving for identity with the woman that he loves.  He desires to see with the
same eyes, to touch with the same sense of touch, to hear with the same 
ears, to lose his identity, to be enveloped, to be supported.  For, whatever
may be said of the relation of the sexes, there is no man who loves a woman
that does not desire to come to her for the renewal of his courage, for the 
cutting assunder of his difficulties.  And that will be the mainspring of
his desire for her. We are all so alone, we all so need from the outside
the assurance of our own worthiness to exist."

		 	--Ford Madox Ford, The Good Soldier
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: kovarik@utkux1.utk.edu (SaintMeechTheChaste)
Subject: Re: a girl in McDonalds
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18:38:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.142223.2074@samba.oit.unc.edu> Bruce.Tindall@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bruce Tindall) writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.000510.6774@rdr.com> randy@rdr.com (Randy Tidd) writes:
>>and ask her what time she gets off of work.  When she replies (it doesn't  
>>really matter what time), ask her if you can buy her a cup of coffee at  
>>one of the nearest coffee shops (all decent coffee shops stay open until,  
>
>Oh yeah right.  Angsters tend to be people whose pulse goes up to 150
>just when trying to dial the phone number of a MOTAS while cowering in
>the safety and privacy of their own homes.  And you're advising this guy
>to ask a stranger for a date *in public* while a line full of impatient
>hungry customers breathes down his neck?  
>

Hey, I've done this, and it has worked. I have also had waitresses ask
me out. And have gone out with them. I still have angst.  There is no cure.

					Meech
From: kovarik@utkux1.utk.edu (SaintMeechTheChaste)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: fat smelly boyfriend
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:29:07 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Oil and Lube Center

In article <1992Aug13.061313.20327@beaver.cs.washington.edu> boesch@cs.washington.edu (Eric Boesch) writes:
>kovarik@utkux1.utk.edu (SaintMeechTheChaste) writes:
>>How do guys spot her as a non-bimbo without even speaking to
>>her, I dunno.
>
>Don't you?  For example, if you saw a certain sort of sardonic grin,
>or saw a look that says "this whole place is absurd"...  I doubt you
>can very well read someone's intelligence from her face.  But you can
>sometimes be pretty sure of one or two of that person's attitudes, and
>that may give you a hint.
>

Well, she does have a bit of that "I work in a govt. nuclear physics lab" look,
I'll admit.  But, I have to say that at least a few of the people I know here
make a point of going into environments that might inspire those "this
whole place is absurd" looks, since much of Tennessee is that way.  But the
idea is to go into such places and observe.... Have some fun, do something
out of character, and in general, act demented.    But, I cannot imagine
such sardonic looks repelling everyone..... Sardonic looks are a screening
mechanism to weed out all but the most deranged sorts which are the most 
interesting people anyway.  Could this mean that there are no off-beat,
degenerate, different types here?  

On another note, sort of peripherally related to this.... and screening 
mechanisms..... I have long hair, and I have noticed that here in TN  
(where the fashion is to have it cut short) the only people who will 
start conversations with me are biker types with similarly long hair.
Now I am not a biker type myself, but I keep on getting the feeling
that what attracts them is the hair.  I have been told by TN natives that
if I want to attract respectable TN women (Barbies), I should get a marine 
haircut like all the Kens.  I kinda feel like that would be selling out.
And I refuse to do it.

>
>It sounds like these people aren't hitting on her because they
>correctly understand their odds.

Perhaps. 
 
>
>But a non-brainy sort probably would have little use for wit and
>brainy conversation.  Add in thoughts of "she probably thinks she's
>better than me" and "a more average sort could understand me better",
>and intelligence becomes unattractive.  It's no mistake.

Another observation.... I know a few very bright women, and they prefer
to date stupid guys, and will even admit it.   The reason for it is that
in their work environments which are often male dominated, they feel
they must constantly keep on asserting themselves.  So when it comes down
to a personal relationship, they want one in which they feel secure,
where they have no self-doubt inspired by any sort of intellectual
competition with their SOs.  And they want someone who is easy to impress
so that they don't even have to try.   This is not all the bright women
I know, but I do have a few case histories of this sort.....

						Meech
From: mak@spuddy.uucp (Mark Kellaway)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: money angst
Keywords: money angst depression paranoia
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:04:37 GMT
Organization: Spuddy's Public Usenet Domain

In article <1992Aug12.194832.25592@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins) writes:
>
>bah. i just paid my tuition and now i have only the $50 left in my account 
>to keep it open. not a penny to my name. at least you have a car.
>
but are you used to this, I was quite (un)happily living my life without
too many worries (ie read just short of infinite) when whamo a number of
expenses have cropped up (of which the car was just the latest) and I find
I'm having to get used to having less disposable income (disposable cos
everything you get these days is diposable)

>(uh oh, this sounds like "my angst is better than your angst" posting...)

shouldn't that be my angst is worse than your angst ?-)
>
>ObAngst: I'm not going to be able to buy food for the next week and a half.
>i just love enforced dieting...
>
just look on it as fasting I've heard it can be an enlightning experience :-)

>double bah (c/o stephen okay)

mak
-- 
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Meeeeow ! Call Spud the Cat > +44 203 638780 < for free Usenet access in UK
you mean only newbies have sig's bigger than 4 lines ? oops - Aaaaa
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Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: fat smelly boyfriend
From: hobbs_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Anthony 'the Bard' Hobbs)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:24:41 GMT
Reply-To: hobbs_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
 <1992Aug17.160650.15173@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> <1992Aug17.210253.25954@bnlux1.bnl.gov>,<1992Aug18.140353.8757@linus.mitre.org>
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ

In article <1992Aug18.140353.8757@linus.mitre.org>, sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.210253.25954@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:

>>Who was it that said: Rush fans wonder why all the world dosen't love
>>Rush and Kate Bush fans talk about peace and love and secretly plot how
>>to kill each other at night.  There's one more group to it, but I can't
>>recall the whole thing.

There was something about REM fans in there too... something like "think the
rest of the word is too lowly to talk to them". Anyway, it's not true. I would
*never* plot to kill a fellow KateHead. Except if s/he had a heretical thought,
of course. :-)

>I have a question that has been angsting me for a while:
>Why is it that every time I encounter a Kate Bush fan they automatically
>insist that I fall down and worship at the Mighty Temple of Her Kateness
>or GetTheHellOut? Is it possible to like her music and not be a KateHead?
>There are a few KateHeads here and I can't understand them.

Well, you see, KaTe inspires such devotion in us that it's hard to stomach 
anyone not automatically falling on their face in Her presence. Some types new
to her worship will turn this into a conversion trip. Not me. I'm as big 
a KateHead as you're likely to find, but other's music tastes are their own
affair. However, there are a few NonKaTeHeads here and I can't understand 
them. :-)

>ObAngst:everybody here is angsting about their boyfriends and girlfriends and
>PIBs. I just wish I HAD a girlfriend to angst over....

PIBs? That's a new one. What's it mean?

ObAngst: The song Rachel posted is the only KaTesong I don't like. :-(
ObAngst2: KaTe's next album might be really awful, and I just don't know what
I'll do then. Probably go on a rampage in a McDonald's with a Uzi.

anthony ("I must admit, just when I think I'm king,  I must admit, I just 
	begin...")
--

Anthony Hobbs             the Bard                hobbs_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz    
OverPope, First Holy and Unreformed Church of Frozen Yoghurt - romantic poet - 
synth player extraordinaire - kate bush is goddess - hail Eris - praise "Bob"!
DISCLAIMER: I am not Romanian and was not head of the Securitate for 15 years.
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Jeff McAffer)
Subject: Re: WHY, HELLO AGAIN, DAVE! (right-justified te
Reply-To: jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp
Organization: University of Tokyo, Good Times Department.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:46:46 GMT

In article <78088@ut-emx.uucp> llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:

 >horntho@eng.auburn.edu (Jake Martling) writes:
 >: In article 241@lrc.edu, blosser_cy@lrc.edu () writes:
 >: > My life is so filled with chaos, discord and entropy that I find it quite
 >: > comforting to have at least a little bit of order on my computer terminal
 >: > hence, my right-justified text.
 >:
 >: And you probably have your computer's mouse in a little crocheted "mouse cozy" 
 >: too, don't you? You anal retentive weenie...
 >
 >i'm currently arguing with my best friend about whether or not it's
 >anal-retentive to have a box full of disks that are all completely
 >filled (0 bytes free) that were made that way on purpose.
 >
 >doesn't everyone?
 >
 >--
 >sine nomine
 >debbie martinson

I used to.  There are great disk library programs that can list your
disks by free space.  Simply find the disk with the appropriate amount
of free space and copy.  I probably had 100 such disks.  

"Oh, now this is bad.  See, this disk has 4K free.  We'll never be
able to use that.  Most annoying.  Well, we'll simply have to move
some of the files to another disk and get a more efficient
distribution.  See, isn't that better?" (All said in the voice of the
anal-retentive chef from SNL?)

Of course, I may have been anal retentive :-)

Now I think I own 5 or 10 floppies besides original distributions
(which I don't backup)(ohh, living on the edge!!!).  However, I do
have .5 Gigabytes of disk space (1 GB using Stacker) in my PC.  I
think I have yet to use the 'del' command :-)

Of course, I like to think I am not anal-retentive.

Moral: Hard disk space is a cure for anal-retentiveness!

Question: How to you all feel about doily* mouse pads?  *(shit, how do
you spell that?)(me, here without a dictionary or an english speaker
around) (you know what I mean, the little lacy things).  Just curious.
--
atode, |m         -- "What happened to all my disk space?"
                     "I hear Mike took it."
                     "Bastard!"
From: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: New Job Angst
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:44:01 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Aug12.135459.16854@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>ObAngst:I'm all out of Pop-Tarts(some scummy git snagged my last package)
>and the Coke machines only have Fresca left. I shall most definitely starve now.

no pop tarts? does that mean you won't bring any to the miniangstcon? i will 
be terribly disappointed. however, we won't have toasters _or_ microwaves
where we're going. how about fire-toasted pop tarts? 

ObAngst: time to assign grades to my horde of little darlings. added bonus:
sorority rush started saturday, and they're everywhere! aaaaaigh! bowheads,
and proto-bowheads! 

bah.




--
		-just give me what for,
	rachel perkins =  rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu
      "Chastity..the most unnatural of all the sexual perversions...."
					-Aldous Huxley
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: fat smelly boyfriend
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 04:03:54 GMT
 <1992Aug11.011452.14793@uwm.edu> <1992Aug11.180759.10380@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: fat fat fat smelly smelly

First Rachel says this:

> hmmm. the fat part probably wouldn't bother me.

and then she says this:

> i'm tall, smart, and i do have big boobs.

It must be density, clearly she is my DreamGoddess! Rachel, I want to have
your children and run away with you to a small unpopulated sub-artic
isle.

						- k
						(I'm sorry, I'm....)
-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 63 3551342
"Jub'f Xvob?"
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: Angst comparison (was Re: money angst)
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:36:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.130234.12025@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>
>What the hell is it about being 25 that causes this!?!?!
>Post-college/real-job Trauma Stress Syndrome?  I'm 25 and I've got it,
>too. 

Hmm....I think this is true..
Mine happened when I was 23, having just finished my degree, was engaged
and all ready to go off and do the TypicalFamilyThing. 2 months after
we graduated I realized how much of a pit II was walking towards and
was really getting fed up with the SO's neuroses. So I bailed and
it turns out it was probably the best thing I could have done 'cause
I know  would have been miserable if I had gone through with it.

I still don't know what I'm going to do with my life, and have pretty
much resolved not to decide until after I go back to school, more to
dodge reality and learn a bunch of cool stuff than as a career move.

>I've been seriously considering your "Lifequake Theory" for the last few
>months now.  Maybe I should just jump.

Do it....Its been pretty damn depressing sometimes, but like she said,
there are times when you occasionally find yourself bolting through the
clouds and unbelievably glad at where you are.

---Steve
-- 
Stephen Okay  sokay@mitre.org
"You see, I'm kind of this control freak who likes to create his own
personal hells before the real one can get to him. I like to beat hell
to hell so to speak".--Spalding Gray "Monster in a box"