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From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: Public School System Mess ( was: LA Teacher Strike
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date:  5 Nov 92 16:57:23 GMT

michal@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Michal A. Lord) writes:

>I taught for two years in Compton High School in Compton CA.  What
>I saw there was very distressing, adminstrators who didn't care,
>teachers who didn't care, students who didn't care and parents who 
>had given up.  As a public school
>                                  teacher I really do believe that
>the public schools are still where the hope for the future lies.  I
>also believe that for this to be a viable answer, we need to seriously
>revamp and rethink public education.  What we are doing only seems to
>work consistently for anglo, especially middle and upper class ones, 
>and asian children.

I would like to know how and why methods have changed over the last 30
years, since I believe (based on informal observation) that schools 30
years ago more effectively educated poor rural black children as well
as affluent urban white children.

>Teachers need to be committed enough to try 
>different approaches and methods, leaving rote memorization and
>boring texts behind.

I thought there *was* less rote memorization these days and that
was part of the problem (along with silly PC textbooks).

>We need to be paid and treated like the professionals we are.   
>Perhaps merit pay, not supported by unions, is an answer???

Merit pay sounds like a good idea, since there are definitely teachers
with more talent, dedication, and desire than others. And there are
definitely teachers who hate the classroom and are only looking for
a paycheck and a pension. I dont think teacher's unions are the answer.

_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: jms@netcom.com (John Schonholtz)
Subject: Re: Carol Moseley Braun WINS in Illinois!!!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:17:54 GMT

In article <Bx86BM.6Mn@cs.columbia.edu> bhat@cs.columbia.edu (Dinkar Bhat) writes:
>Just for information:
>
>the NYT reported that Carol Moseley Braun won 93% of the black vote whereas 
>she won only 49% of the white vote in Illinois.

49% of the white vote is damn good for *any* Democrat, black or white!  In
fact, it's probably better than the majority of her Democratic Senate
colleagues got in their last race.
-- 
John Schonholtz						jms@netcom.com
A fool and his money are soon elected.
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From: black@akebono.math.ncsu.edu (Kelly Black)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,triangle.politics,talk.politics.misc,soc.women,talk.rape
Subject: Re: Eva Clayton bio
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:54:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncsu.1992Nov8.165457.7393
Organization: College of Physical and Mathematical Sciences

In article <1992Nov6.222852.24040@dg-rtp.dg.com>, meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers) writes:
|>         At the time, Gainesville had a 48-hour waiting period for gun
|> purchases.  Acting on the advice of the retired chief of police,
|> law-abiding citizens went out of town to buy guns.  Women needed
|> immediate protection from a very real threat that could have struck
|> at any moment.  Had a national waiting period been in effect, how many
|> more women would have died?
|> 

When I hear this kind of vigilante argument I'm not sure
how to react.  It is a very emotional appeal and in some
respects it is effective.  But as a former army medic it
doesn't really coincide with everything that has been 
drilled and trained into me.  As a former NCO my intimate
knowledge of the subject boiled down to three words:
training, training, training.  We were taught to respect
the weapons we carried and taught that training and prof-
iciency go hand in hand.  I simply do not understand how
people equate ownership of a weapon with safety.  We are
not talking about toys here!  I do not believe that owning
a weapon insures safety unless the owner has the proper
respect for its care and use and makes the effort to under-
stand the capabilities of the weapon.  The point is that
when someone goes out and buys a weapon they do not auto-
matically gain protection.  In fact, use of a weapon by
someone who does not understand it can result in quite
the opposite.

Kel


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The secluded mermaids hate European goods, which have increased male 
power. The tabooed 'male' animal, the dog (used in the chase), is an 
added danger because it can see the spirit world. Dogs walk purpose-
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uently stare attentively into space.  - Unknown
From: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Homosexuality
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:43:30 GMT
Organization: U.S. Naval Academy

In article <sN05TB1w163w@peewee> peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) writes:
>
>	>So tell me, when I mention my boyfriend or parnter in conversation, 
>	>just as casually as a straight man might mention his wife, am I 
>	>talking about sex or am I talking about a relationship that is 
>	>important in my life? When straight people stop, I will stop.
>
>You're talking about sex, because that's the only thing important to gay
>people.

Just how do you know this?  Let's see you cite something to support this.
I say you're wrong.

>It's WRONG to be gay,

Are you laboring under the misconception that being gay is an act of will?
Gay people have to take a lot of crap in this society (and most others).
What do you imagine that gay people would have to gain by choosing to be
gay?

>you're not born that way,

Apparently you haven't heard recent reports of physiological differences in
brain structure found between homosexual men and heterosexual men (not
surprising, since the rest of your post reveals much more profound ignorance
than this).  There is at least some evidence that at least some gay people ARE
born that way.

>and you'll get
>AIDS if you don't stop, and real soon.  It's no coincidence that everyone
>that gets AIDS is gay.

It's no coincidence because it's not true.  Not eveyone who gets AIDS is gay.
What planet have you been living on?

[some deleted]

>You're gonna get AIDS if you don't straighten up and fly right.

In fact, there are fairly simple measures that can and should be taken
by anyone which greatly reduce the chances of getting AIDS through sexual
contact.  *Some* gay men (and some others, too) lead wildly promiscuous
lives, which does increase the chances of getting AIDS.  But `homosexuality'
is not a synonym for `promiscuity.'


-- 
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          phone: (410)267-3192 / fax: (410)267-4883
When orbiting particle-beam weapons are outlawed, only outlaws will have
orbiting particle-beam weapons.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating (The Atomic Dog Speaks)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:33:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.005609.27843@sun!kla> atomic_dog@nuyaz (The Atomic Dog) writes:
>
>Truth be told, we all know that if the roles were reversed and there was a so 
>called "shortage of good black women", that these women would use and abuse it 
>to make black men jump thru all sorts of hoops to court them. (THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE FROM MEN).
>However that is not the case -- thank God. So, if you are a "good" black man milk
>it for all its worth baby. Then when you get the dog out of your system and you're
>ready to settle down and get married choose the women who makes you happy.
>
right off the top i'll tell you that all of this "black male shortage" stuff
is a bunch of crap fueled by what is, at best, anecdotal evidenced buttressed
by bogus statistics [such as those compiled by jawana kunjufu, et. al.].
whenever i've heard a bunch of hens sitting around and complaining about the
so-called "shortage", when you really nail them down it comes down to the fact
that they are actually complaining about a shortage of "good" black men.  at
this point it's end of discussion, imho, since i can't argue to someone about
what their expectations *should* be; it's their right to expect anything they
want.

but doesn't it so often seem that the one's doing most of the complaining seem
to be women who:

	a)weigh 300+pounds.  hey! there's *always* been a shortage for these
	  pigs.
	b)have a half dozen kids by as many different guys.  who wants to
	  work hard all their lives just to raise *other* guys' kids?

anyway, as far as your "hypothetical" black female shortage.  since you went to mit
[unless things have changed greatly since i went there when there were 3 black
men to each woman] you should know that mit is a microcosm where this really does
occur; and there was a lot of that "jumping through hoops" stuff going on as you
mentioned.  i suspect that some of them made the mistake of believing their own
bullshit and didn't reel in the bites [as far as marriage] when the situation was
to their advantage so when they got out in the real world they found out that they
weren't the hot items that they thought they were.  too bad...

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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Detroit's Rodney King Incident
Date: 8 Nov 1992 15:50:55 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

LA.  Now, Detroit.
.
But this time, y'all, the brother died.  And this time, people,
there were some brothers in attendance, possibly taking part in the
headbashing or simply condoning it by silence.
.
The victim's father and mother, who have also lost a daughter to
violence, have told folks in the 'hood to chill, and let the lawyers
do the work. Again, we have a black mayor in the saddle and a black
police chief (correct me on this one, folks).
.
Apparently two white officers in plainclothes stopped Malice Wayne
Smith (sp?) on suspicion of drug possession or dealing.  These
copperinos were well-known to the homies as being some rather deadly
gunslingers who would simply jack someone up on GP.  A witness who
was in the car with the victim said that the white officers called
for back-up and then continued to beat the guy with service
flashlights, the weapon of choice, even when the paramedics arrived
and as they were putting him on the stretcher.
.
It's amazing how much patience the black community everywhere has
to hatred and outright murder directed at them, innocent or guilty.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Subject: Re: single blacks
Originator: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu
Reply-To: gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Organization: in your face!
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 20:49:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.190955.18351@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
>You make a good point re the reasons that a woman might be a
>single-parent.  You also make a good point re not criticizing somebody
>onnacounta' the parental circumstances.  On the other hand, I must not
>have read where Kenneth _apparrently_ said that single mothers were
>necessarily bad, or at least irresponsible people.  If he _did_ say
>that somewhere, then please point it out to me.

I should have been more careful.  I was mostly referring to Atomic
Dog's and Ronald Davis' comments (I believe I commented on this in an
earlier post), and Kenny Crudup's (apparent) siding with them.  I
interpreted Kenny's remarks not as a comment reflecting his personal
feelings on the matter, but as a general reflection on single black
mothers' character.  In subsequent posts, he's clarified his position,
which I agree with (to some extent).

>The fact remains that a woman with children is less attractive as a
>prospect, to a single (and especially young, single, and childless)
>man, than a women w/o children in tow.  It seems to me that Kenneth
>was simply lamenting the fact that there are a great many of the
>former in his neck-o-the-woods.

Fair enough.  If he had come right out and said that in the first
place, we wouldn't be arguing about it.

>If you are gonna' paraphrase, then please strive to be just a wee bit
>more accurate.  What Ronald said was more like:
>The women complaining about a "shortage" of black men tend most often
>to be women who are really heavy, or women who are single with lotsa'
>children with differrent fathers.
>This may or may not be true, but it sure sounds reasonable to me.

Reasonable in what sense?

>On the other hand, I can see where one would have problems with
>the way that Ronald chose to characterize these women.....  I mean,
>there is is nothing to be gained by disparaging somebody.
>BTW, I also believe that this "shortage of black men" business is
>a myth, as Ronald stated.

Hmmm.  Well, it may be a myth, and it may not be.  I think it is part
of a larger societal situation, which blacks may be more subject to
than other ethnic groups/nationalities.  A simple way of looking at
this is, the fact that there are single, eligible black men and women
posting to this newsgroup (and, likely, more readers who don't post),
is a proof of the existence of eligible blacks.  On the other hand,
few of us live in the same vicinity, and even if we did, we might not
be compatible. Thus, there is more of a shortage of compatible
individuals than available ones.

--gregbo
From: peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Spike Lee
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 00:37:00 PST
Distribution: world

	>Really, Stromer, you need to learn to pause and count to five 
	>before you right down the first thing that comes into your head.  
		    ^^^^^
The teacher has spoken.  And I'll bet you laughed when Quayle had trouble
spelling "potato".

But for you, Mr. Kolodney, I'll count to five before I "right" any more.

	>Georgia not only has an anti-Sodomy statute, but it was in 
	>Georgia that the case of Bowers v. Hardwick originated, in which 
	>the Supreme Court upheld a criminal prosecution for homosexual 
	>sodomy in a bedroom.

The Supreme Court overturned such a statute in 1992, with Thomas/Scalia/
Rehnquist/Kennedy/O'Connor/Souter and co.  I shall take it upon myself to
find the case name, date, and summary, and post it to this newsgroup.

	>You don't need a law, fool.  
	
Maybe not, but you need a course in manners, greaseball.        

	>You can discriminate against anyone unless the law says you can't.  
	
Gee, and I thought that the U.S. Constitution applied to everyone, not        
just specified individuals.  Can I discriminate against people with
glasses, because no law says I can't?  

--Philip Stromer (peewee@infoserv.com)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating (The Atomic Dog Speaks)
Summary: Cut the motha fuckin bullshit
Keywords: FUCK EM
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: ca
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:45:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.005609.27843@sun!kla> atomic_dog@nuyaz (The Atomic Dog) writes:

[much 86'd]

$I know some of this might sound arrogant or conceited but at least it was honest.
$For those of you who might not agree with me -- more power to you.
$For those of you who might think something is wrong with me -- FUCK YOU.
$(THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE FROM THE CROWD AS HE CLIMBS DOWN OFF HIS SOAPBOX).
$
$The Atomic Dog has spoken

You hit the niz-zail smack dizz-nab on the hiz-zead, my brotha.

-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu
				            	    moor0009@student.tc.umn.edu
"Arresk the Presidink!"                           malcolm@mermaid.micro.umn.edu
		-- Popeye the Intelligent Hoodlum
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From: bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,triangle.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: A Comment on A Local Talk Show
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:51:33 GMT
Organization: MCNC Center for Communications -- CONCERT Network




	Greetings,

	When I was heading home this past Friday I was listening to a
talk show that comes on a local AM and of course they were discussing the
election results. Since Clinton`s election there have been a number of
republicans crying "doom and gloom". The republican power brokers can be
held to fault for installing such a mind numbing fear in their
supporters. 

	Normally I laugh at such callers but one that called upset me
slightly. This caller, who called himself Major X, launched into the
current diatribe concerning having a pot smoking, draft dodging
president in the White House. After going on for about three minutes or
so he then concluded his "speech" by saying that he hoped that Clinton
lived up to the Kennedy Legend to the fullest. In other words by being
assassinated. This caller claimed to be in the special forces and stated
that he planed to resign his commission because of the election results.
The announcer, instead of chastising this caller because of this radical
stance, said nothing. I was shocked that the caller was allowed to
express such a radical and dangerous opinion without be "called" on it.
To me it showed how irresponsible the host of this show was. 
	
	I intend to write a letter to the management of the station and
the FCC concerning this incident. I think that this also points to a
larger problem that is taking place in this country when talk show host
are allowed to play to the fears of their listeners in order to do well in
the ratings. I would think that somewhere in this process that these
people should be held responsible for the actions of those people who
fears they play to. Often times these fears are based in racist
stereotypes that are completely unfounded. I have no problem with
political differences being expressed but not to the point where it may
result in violence.

	I thought that I would share this. I remember the assassinations of
X, Dr. King, the Kennedys, and Sadat all to well and this latest comment
and attitudes should not allowed to go unchecked or we will see a repeat
of the turbulent 60s.


			Carter



--
"Why, have you never noticed that opinion without knowledge is
always a shabby sort of thing? At the best is blind. One who
holds true a belief without intelligence is just like a blind
man who happens to take the right road, isn`t he?"  Socrates
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: ADVICE ON RESEARCH
From: <G87CC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 9 Nov 1992 20:25:05 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

     I am a New VM user and I wonder can anyone out there help me locate inform
ation on any of the following topics using this network:

Education
Housing
Employment
Health Care
The Legal System.

I am looking to see how African Americans are doing.
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Whoopi and Ted Danson
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:27:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: ficus.stovall.721096025
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:

>Interracial theme time, y'all!

>Check out Whoopi Goldberg and Ted Danson.  I read in
>"Entertainment Weekly" that my girl always gets a crush on her
>white leading men (with the studios insisting on her having
>exclusively black guys or none, and cutting out that hot love scene
>between her and Sam Elliott in "Fatal Beauty") but this is the
>height.  Especially when his wife is supposed to have almost died
>giving birth to one of their kids, way back.  Looks like Patricia
>Neal-Roald Dahl-time.  (For those not in the know, Patricia Neal was
>an actress who had a stroke and her husband nursed her back to
>health.  Eventually Dahl, a children's book author, got tired,
>possibly of being a nursemaid instead of a husband, and divorced
>her.  That shattered his halo but good.)

>Furthermore, Whitney Houston's movie with Kevin Costner is coming
>out soon, called "The Bodyguard." I saw the trailers:  Costner looks
>a little chunky, to say the least.  All that fame and fortune must
>be getting to him or perhaps he beefed up a bit to look like a
>bodyguard.  And my girl Whitney, just beautiful as always.  La Diva
>minus Bobby Brown's baby.  You got any information on any of this,
>Steve Stovall?

Nah, I been too busy following the Magic story. Last night, my sister-in-law 
was by and swore up and down that the doctor she works for saw the word
"bisexual" in Magic's Centinela Hospital chart. The latest is some Lansing
woman claiming he infected her *after* knowing he was seropositive. Magic
claims he definitely was *not* HIV-positive at the time he acknowledges
they had sex (1990), so if anything she my be the infector not infectee.
This  may be possible to prove in a civil suit by by doing genetic sequencing
of the virus variants the two are infected with, comparing the progression
of their HIV disease, etc, but its never been done as far as I know. 
Also, public opinion in LA is turning perceptibly after Magic graphically
commented on his sexual exploits during a Prime Time Live interview with
a peculiarly unrepentant nonchalance.

_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
From: GRIIVEA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Rage, ranting and race
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 21:21:44 EST

    The most important step we can take toward protecting ourselves
against racism is to push for D.C. statehood.  Just imagine the impact
a homeland for the descendants of African American southern peasants
would have on "race" relations.
 
    And we'er not talking about just any old homeland, but one that
would surround the captial of the United States of America.
It would be a strategic asset if the fire came next time.
 
 
 
 
                                                      Iverson
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: MAGIC (was Re: Whoopi and Ted Danson)
Date: 9 Nov 92 06:07:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


 I was wondering if the righteous and clean living NBA players will submit
themselves to an AIDS test now that they succefully hounded Magic out of 
the league.


Makala
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