From: chrisb@seachg.uucp (Chris Blask)
Subject: Re: Somalia: The REAL U.S. mission
Reply-To: chrisb@seachg.UUCP (Chris Blask)
Organization: Sea Change Corporation, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 19:52:07 GMT

In article <C030s9.3D2@newsflash.concordia.ca> ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes:
>...
>>They'll have to do better than this.  Orders of magnitude better, I
>>should add.
>
>How about the recent article by UPI about the influence of
>Islamic fundamentalism in Somalia (which mentioned that in areas
>where they dominated looting and crime was eliminated which gave
>them more and more influence and popularity)

Religious fundamentalism usually quiets most areas.  I don't mean to offend
anyone here (but I will), but fundamentalism is, as they say "the opiate of
the masses", and does the same thing as hosing down a crowd with
tranquilizers.  While it is noone's business to try to steer people away
from religion by force, fundamentalism equates to fanaticism (if I _know_
who God is, isn't it more important than ANYTHING for me to make others
believe?), and is a long run killer, muslim, judaic, christian...

>How about the fact that the CIA is engaging in a covert war against
>Sudan and Yemen both very close to Somalia and that it did not want Somalia
>to eventually fall under independent fundamentalists?
>How  about the fact that the CIA needed a base to threaten both Sudan
>and Yemen and Somalia is just the right place?

You are probably right about the CIA, but they do not run the country.  Ol'
George was the head of the CIA for a while, so maybe it was his prime
motivation.  But, if that is so, he has guaranteed himself a place in the
toilet of history.  Besides, from what I know of the CIA, they don't
establish offical "bases" anyway, they are quite likely operating out of
your basement and you don't know it yet (that's why their called
"spooks").

>Either the CIA is very lucky or it is creating its own "good luck."

See above.

>They should know however that they have limited resources and that they
>cannot control every single Arab nation at the same time (remember they had
>to forget about Sudan a little bit in 1990 when they were preparing for
>the downsizingn of the Iraqi military). So if all people of those countries
>work hard at the same time to gain their real independence, they will
>defeat the CIA and minimize the effect of foreign interference.

What work are you talking about?  Political?  Terrorist?  

>Don't make me laugh and say the the U.S.A went there for humanitarian
>reasons, maybe that is a byproduct (or a cost of transaction), but not
>a goal.. That is not in the agenda of the CIA.

Differentiate, if you would, between the USA and the CIA.  I am an
American, I would hope the US agenda would not be totally abhorent to me,
and I rarely, if ever, side with the CIA.  Either the country (myself
included) is being run by some sort of consensus, or its ruled by the
'running dog imperialist CIA muthaf*****s'.  You decide.

I repeat myself; every country in the world has suprisingly similar
components.  Here in Canada, we have the RCMP (who would never do a BAD
THING, oh no!).  In the US there is the CIA.  In England there is MI5 (or
whatever they're called now), my genetic homeland (Germany), well...  I'm
sure your genetic homeland has some guys in overcoats too, let's hope
_They_ are not running things too much.

>=============================================================
>Modified Murphy's first law of realistic probability:
>If it can happen, it will happen...
>Unless of course "it" is a good thing.
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>Ilyess Ben Ali Bdira    Montreal Quebec  Canada
>E-mail ilyess@ECE.concordia.CA, benali@alcor.concordia.CA
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 -chris blask