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From: DRUMM@CNSVAX.UWEC.EDU (Dan Drumm)
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Date: 16 Oct 92 19:41:00 GMT
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     I would like to acknowledge receipt of your recent
complaint concerning materials that your Notes, Conference,
or Bulletin Board received from Mr. Robert McElwaine, one of
our students here at the University of Wisconsin - Eau
Claire.
    Mr. McElwaine's activities on the Internet closely
parallel similar activities here on campus in which he has
used every available public forum to promote his views.
Attempts to limit these activities have met with determined
and protracted resistance and litigation on his part based
upon his First Amendment rights under the United States
Constitution.  He contends that the readers of Conferences
or Bulletin Boards have no right to infringe on his right of
free expression.  However, he does acknowledge and accept
that the owners, moderators, or managers of Notes,
Conferences, or Bulletin Boards do have the right to remove
such material and to request that he not post any other
materials.  He has given assurances that upon receipt of
such a request that he will cease his activities.
          The fastest way to take care of the issue and to
prevent your Notes, Conference, or Bulletin Board from being
the recipient of additional communications from Mr.
McElwaine is to send him Email and request that he stop.
That Email should give your name and the name of the
Bulletin Board, Notes, or Conference you moderate or
control.  You should specifically state that you have the
authority to request that he cease and desist from any
further postings.  If you are not the administrator, then
you should forward this message to the individual who has
such authority and request that he/she contact Mr.
McElwaine.
     I would request that a copy of any correspondence with
Mr. McElwaine be also sent to me at CBRENNER@UWEC.EDU.   If,
after being requested to stop, he continues to send his
materials The University of Wisconsin - Eau Claire will take
steps revoke his Internet privileges.
     On behalf of the University of Wisconsin - Eau Claire I
would like to apologize for any inconvenience Mr. McElwaine
has caused and to thank you for helping us address the
problem.

Sincerely,

Charles J. Brenner, Director
Computing and Networking Services
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:02:02 -0400
From:         "(Rick Adams)" <adamsr@AIS.ORG>
Subject:      Re: SHOOTING DEATHS
              92 11:02:04 pm

'In your message, you write:'

#
#I AM LOOKING FOR INFO ANYONE CAN GIVE ME ABOUT SHOOTING DEATH CASES (CIVIL OR
#CRIMINAL) IN WHICH THE TYPE OF AMMUNITION USED (FOR EXAMPLE BULLETS THAT ARE
#DESIGNED TO DO AS MUCH TISSUE DAMAGE AS POSSIBLE) WAS AT ISSUE.  I KNOW THIS
#IS A WIERD SUBJECT, BUT I'M TRYING TO USE ALL MY RESOURCES (ISN'T THAT WHAT
#COLLEGE IS ALL ABOUT? I HAVEN'T LEARNED MUCH ELSE!).  ANY HELP WILL BE GREATLY
#APPRECIATED.
#

	Try posting this request to the forensics discussion list:

			FORENS-L@ACC.FAU.EDU

	A large number of pathologists and other specialists in forensics
participate and it's a pretty likely place to receive a response.

	Hope it helps.
--

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            The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised
      over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to
      prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is
      not a sufficient warrant.                         John Stuart Mill
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From: kpscarr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Karen Pelton Scarr)
Subject: Re: CAU$E$ OF WAR$
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 19:25:41 GMT

In article <01GPZJYT2184003VX7@cnsvax.uwec.edu> MCELWRE@UWEC.BITNET (NAME 'Robert E. McElwaine') writes:
>
>                                 CAU$E$ OF WAR$
>
>               Most ALL war$ are ARTIFICIALLY CONTRIVED by 3RD PARTIES
>          (usually agents of the international banker$, THE MONEY
>          CHANGER$), for HIDDEN PURPOSES.
>
>               In 1980, the CIA paid Saddam Hussein $8 BILLION in GOLD
>          as a BRIBE to attack Iran, [10-16-80 "WISCONSIN REPORT" (WR),
>          P.O. Box 45, Brookfield, WI  53005.  Back-issues might still
>          be available.].  (It was part of the gold which had been
>          taken out of Fort Knox several years before, IN U.S. ARMY
>          TRUCKS, under cover of the "London Gold Pool Agreement".  The
>          transfer was made in a secret underground warehouse in
>          Zurich.).  BIG OIL wanted to get back control of the Iranian
>          oil fields.  Iraq's economic problems resulting from that war
>          were a primary inducement for invading Kuwait.  Or was Saddam

(Lots of stuff deleted)

>               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this
>          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED.
>
>
>                                        Robert E. McElwaine

Looks like another paranoid-schizophrenic graduate student on the loose.
Why did you post this here?
From: tcr0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (TIMOTHY CHARLES RUSSO)
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Subject: LSAT Preparation Books
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:16:30 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In re: LSAT Review Books.

I just took the Oct. 5 LSAT and was quite disappointed in Thomas White's LSAT
Review Book.  He claims to have constructed the test and be over 50%
responsible for the questions, format, etc.  My problem is that I scored too
well on his sample test sections.  The actual LSAT was considerably more
difficult.  This is important because much of his preparation philosophy is
dependent upon timing and deciding how many/which questions to skip and
blindly guess at.

I also took the Oct 1988 LSAT and used either ARCO's or Barron's prep book.
It had a black cover and was filled with plenty of questions with just enough
narrative.  I felt that it better reflected the test at that time and I did
quite well at that time.

Moral:  White's book has a couple of interesting insights but the objective
dissection was a better preparation for the exam.

--  Tim

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From:         "Mark Neath" <SMN2899@OBERLIN.BITNET>

Unsubscribe me please.
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From: ambrose@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Thomas Franc Ambrose)
Subject: WESTLAW
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Summary: Is it possible to log on to a WESTLAW system from a foreign terminal?
Keywords: westlaw
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:01:10 GMT


I have a friend that has a password for the westlaw system at her law school.
Is there any way for her to log on to that account from a terminal elsewhere
(where we don't have the westlaw system)?

Please email.  Thanks.


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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:26:00 EST
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Subject:      re:unsubsription

This message is for all the netters who wish to unsubscribe.
send an e-mail to the listserver
such as in%"listserv@auvm".  Then the message should be this one
unsubs lawsch-l your name. Your name shoul be the exact name you used when
you signed in.  Any question, please address it to the server or let me
know. I will help . My mail is Yves@jcsvax1.bitnet.

        thanks
        Yves
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:37:09 -0400
From:         Brennan Murphy <Brennan.J.Murphy.53@ND.EDU>
Subject:      Re: (no subject given)

>In article <01GPPOL5LN34001TQA@MIDD.CC.MIDDLEBURY.EDU> KENM@MIDD.BITNET writes:
>>SUBSCRIBE LAWSCHOOL SCHOOL LIST. Ken Mansfield
>
>What is this bulletin board for?  Are we law students supposed to bond, or
>network, or something?
>
>Just wondering.  K.P.


I think that you are all supposed to help me get into lawschool and then
get a job otherwise I think we're just supposed to talk about lawschool
stuff.

-=-=-=-=-=-=Brennan J. Murphy
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                               -=-=-=-=-=-=  Brennan.J.Murphy.53@nd.edu
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:44:04 EST
From:         LING28@SNYNEWVM.BITNET

To anyone out there,

     Any advice for taking the LSAT in December?
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:04:12 EDT
From:         "Chris Katopis" <V1754G@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      The Temple Political & Civil Rights Law Review

We at Temple Univ. in Philadelphia have a new law journal and we are
very proud.


Publication Policy-
The TPCRLR provides a forum for the discussion of political and civil
rights issues.  Articles reflect a spectrum of concerns ranging from
immediate questions of law and policy to basic assumptions about people
and society.

*YOU* may submit articles on any subject matter relevant.  Our inaugural issue
features articles on AIDS education, the Thomas-Hill Hearings, Pornography
and a tribute to Thurgood Marshall (among other topics)

We are not just looking for the traditional stuffy scholarly legal articles
but also essays on real life experiences about the individual, rights and
society.
For example:
i am sure a lot of are interested in how the internet will affect the
free exchange of ideas....  well, here's  a forum to write about it....


you may email me, or send your submissions directly to:
the _TEMPLE POLITICAL AND CIVIL RIGHTS LAW REVIEW_
1719 N. Broad Street
Phil, PA 19122
215-787-5268

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thank you
chris katopis T'94
From: countrym@ALEXIA.LIS.UIUC.EDU (Kelly Countryman)
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Subject: Re: LSAT Preparation
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:09:39 GMT
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From: sbarber@panix.com (Steve Barber)
Subject: Re: "At the Bar" by David Margolick
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:04:51 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <Bvvz3H.Iu2@acsu.buffalo.edu> viejones@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael A. Jones) writes:

>I just read this in the New York Times and thought it might be of interest.
>Just proves that three years of law school does nothing to separate out
>the bigots and homophobes in society.

Why would a selection process based almost entirely on undergraduate grades
and LSAT scores filter for bigotry and homophobia?  The distribution of
personalities in the law is pretty diverse.

I found it interesting that one the letters quoted in the Margolick column
linked Jewishness and homosexuality.  At my 85% Jewish law school, a group
of "observant" Jews vehemently objected to a moot court problem that would
require some to defend the rights of a same sex couple, even hypothetically.
Apparently it was against their religion.  The administration made some
alternative arrangements for them, I think, and the competition went on;
but the point of the story is that intolerance comes from many quarters -- 
even from those whose relatives were persecuted for their differences by the
Nazis.

-Steve Barber (sbarber@panix.com)
-- 
Steve Barber                                             sbarber@panix.com
"The direct deed is the most meaningful reflection." - Bill Evans
Nothing I say is legal advice.  It can't be.  I don't know anything.

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Date:         Sun, 11 Oct 1992 23:02:04 CST
From:         ST0675@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU
Subject:      SHOOTING DEATHS

I AM LOOKING FOR INFO ANYONE CAN GIVE ME ABOUT SHOOTING DEATH CASES (CIVIL OR
CRIMINAL) IN WHICH THE TYPE OF AMMUNITION USED (FOR EXAMPLE BULLETS THAT ARE
DESIGNED TO DO AS MUCH TISSUE DAMAGE AS POSSIBLE) WAS AT ISSUE.  I KNOW THIS
IS A WIERD SUBJECT, BUT I'M TRYING TO USE ALL MY RESOURCES (ISN'T THAT WHAT
COLLEGE IS ALL ABOUT? I HAVEN'T LEARNED MUCH ELSE!).  ANY HELP WILL BE GREATLY
APPRECIATED.
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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:40:44 -0700
From:         Marianne Dugan <MDUGAN@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: WESTLAW

>I have a friend that has a password for the westlaw system at her law school.
>Is there any way for her to log on to that account from a terminal elsewhere
>(where we don't have the westlaw system)?
>
>Please email.  Thanks.

Soitenly ..... But only if the terminal you're on has the Westlaw
software.  Westlaw will GIVE law students this software, for home
use.

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From: kpscarr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Karen Pelton Scarr)
Subject: Re: (no subject given)
Summary: What's up?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 19:32:54 GMT

In article <01GPPOL5LN34001TQA@MIDD.CC.MIDDLEBURY.EDU> KENM@MIDD.BITNET writes:
>SUBSCRIBE LAWSCHOOL SCHOOL LIST. Ken Mansfield

What is this bulletin board for?  Are we law students supposed to bond, or
network, or something?

Just wondering.  K.P.
From: viejones@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael A. Jones)
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Subject: "At the Bar" by David Margolick
Date: 10 Oct 92 03:30:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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I just read this in the New York Times and thought it might be of interest.
Just proves that three years of law school does nothing to separate out
the bigots and homophobes in society.  Rod Williams posted this to soc.motss,
the credit for uploading or typing this in goes to him.
Organization: Universite du Quebec a Rimouski
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From:         Mohammed Rady <RIR0213@UQAR.UQUEBEC.CA>

Hi colleagues
I wonder if someone can pass information about NCAR graphics
package and whether there is a discussion group for its users. I
would also appreciate if heavy users of the package identify
themselves to me.
Thanks
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From:         "steinbeukanvm.cc.ukan.edu" <STEINBER@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Cartographic emailing list

Please include me in your email cartography "bulletin board".
My email address is steinber@ukanvm.cc.ukan.edu (I believe this is how it will
come through).
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From: whitaker@eternity.demon.co.uk ("Russell E. Whitaker")
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From:         LEVY%LENNY@YALEVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Let's have a discussion

Looks like a PRIVATE discussion to me, so please continue in an appropriate
manner.  Thanks.

-- Simon Levy
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From:         Bruce White 3807 <bw@WS029.TORREYPINESCA.NCR.COM>
Subject:      Re: Let's have a discussion!

> Wait a minute,
>
> you're telling me that you believe in the unlimited growth of the human
> potential,

I never told you that.

> and you also believe that we CAN NOT build a robotic plant
> to build cars?

That's not what I said.

> You know much about Nissan, for instance? 80 workers,
> and thousands of cars a year from their plant in Japan.

Ever been across the border? Come down to Tijuana. Lots of low cost labor,
all sorts of products produced.

> How can anyone take you serious about ending mortality when you can't
> even see past 18th century economics? Get serious. Either you believe
> what you say, and you believe that simply extending the industrial
> revolution to it's logical conclusion is at least possible, or you
> are hopelessly stuck in hyper-capitalist slogans.
>
> I believe that second of the above to be the case. You are a fraud. Pure
> and simple.
>

Yawn.

By "you" do you mean Extropians in general? I am not an "extropian".

It sounds to me like you are a freshmen in need of a remedial class
in reading. Here's what I wrote:

"I do not believe that any of this is true.

"Please cite your references.[Regarding robots replacing the entire
US manufacturing work force].

Last I heard most robotic companies were not experiencing dramatic growth.

If anyone has invested in some publicly traded robot companies, I'd like
to know how you've done."
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:49:57 -0600
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From:         PEARSON@VMS.UCC.OKSTATE.EDU
Subject:      Re: Let's have a discussion!

Uhm, I think you're missing an essential point. Basically, the market
does not now and can not in the future protect the interests of something
as vauge as 'future generations'. First, no one person owns the National
Forests. It is logged after obtaining a permit to log on Federal land.
Therefore, preventing a giving lumber company, or gang, if you prefer, to
cut down someone elses trees is legitimate. They are as much my trees as
anyone elses.

But, it seems we only engaging in fully tired and standard points of view,
which can be found any day of the week in your basic editorial column.
Maybe we should press beyond these standard exchanges.

For example, consider that the market, including the labor market, requires
workers, paid workers, to buy the things that other people have made. Now,
it seems that much can be produced without these workers, either in
robotic automobile plants, or more fully automated farms. Just as the
percent of the population on the farm has fallen from something like 75%
around 1880 to around 3-2% today due to automation of the farm, most of
our manufacturing work force can be replaced by better automated factories.

Then, essentially, the market doesn't need the work force we have today. But,
our system of distribution of goods is based upon working for a living.

How you see us getting out of such a dilema, if one exists?

gary pearson
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From:         Bruce White 3807 <bw@WS029.TORREYPINESCA.NCR.COM>
Subject:      Re: Let's have a discussion!

PEARSON wrote:
"Now, it seems that much can be produced without these workers, either
in robotic automobile plants, or more fully automated farms
... most of our manufacturing work force can be replaced by better
automated factories."

I do not believe that any of this is true.

Please cite your references.

Last I heard most robotic companies were not experiencing dramatic growth.

If anyone has invested in some publicly traded robot companies, I'd like
to know how you've done.


--- Bruce
From: A@A
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Subject: Re: Let's have a discussion!
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:09:40 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

Try _Peoples' Capitalism:  The Economics of the Robot Revolution_ by James  
S. Albus for more information


kamchar@ibm.cl.msu.edu (SunCat)
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From:         "(Max More)" <more@ALUDRA.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Let's have a discussion!
              at Oct 4, 92 9:48 am

> However, there is
> nothing wrong with setting aside some small percent of our orginal
> virgin forest, for scientific exploration and pure enjoyment. Therefore,
> since there are alternatives to the cutting of our remaining virgin
> forest, I am very much in favor of preventing the market, in the form
> of Japanese, or American, or whoever, corporations, from cutting what is
> left this treasure.

To translate what you are saying:  You favor using an enormous gang, heavily
armed (the State) to threaten people who want to use resources that they
own to produce goods that others want to buy.

The "market" is not some entity in its own right.  It is the sum of the
the voluntary actions of all individuals. If you want to prevent
corporations cutting down certain areas of forest (as do I), then
go about implementing your preferences the moral way - voluntaristically
through the market.  The Nature Conservancy does this:  It raises money
from voluntary donations from people willing to back their preferences
with money, and buys up land in order to preserve it.

I recommend that you read Free Market Environmentalism by Terry Naderson and
 DOnald Leal, not to mention the works by Julian Simon that I received in
 Extropy #9..  The State has an extremely poor record ofmanaging resources. It
 is part
of the problem, not the solution.

Max More		more@usc.edu
Executive Director
Extropy Institute