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From: tomes@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance trip?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:24:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.214052.460@mksol.dseg.ti.com> martinn@mksol.dseg.ti.com (niels r martin) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.203709.6242@spdc.ti.com> achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:
>>(in the ads) nice examples going for under $3,000. I wouldn't for a minute
>>consider a yacht like a Wing or Electraglide because it limits the places
>>you can camp and ride. 10 or 20 miles of dirt and gravel can really get you
>>to some fine areas that the Winnebarges can't reach.

>I have never had trouble riding my 78 Goldwing on gravel/dirt--of course I
>don't drive like a crazyman either.

Well, I drive my 81 Wing on all sorts of roads... It's just a matter of
practice and restraint.  I happen to like an easy chair that will keep me
off the ground if the Big Nasty (Tm?) happens.  A full fairing and luggage,
as well as case guards, goes a long way when the "harsh Realities" comes
my way.  If that means that I have a machine that is 100 pounds heavier and
handles a little slower than a different bike, so be it.  I happen to like
comfort. 

BTW, for those about to flame me for riding a pig, that 'pig'
can easily do the DOT test for the displacement range two sizes smaller, and
seems to have no problem keeping up with the local twistie-loving crowd.
What non'Wing riders don't seem to understand is that the flat four and
transmission are within a foot and a half of the ground.  Where is the CG
of their sportbike's engine/trans?  Angular momentum is the primary
determinant of handling,  about the pivots described by the tire contact
patches.  Sure, I weigh more, but the moment arm is shorter, so they tend to 
cancel out.  Since the percent difference is lower for a heavier bike given
the same load as a lighter bike, loading for long distance touring doesn't
change the handling as much.

CP Tomes

I hate banks just can't stand them
Give me a shovel, and man' I'll plant em
Six feet under that's where they belong.
I hate banks that's the name of the song.
Think I'll rob myself one or two,
I hate banks how 'bout you?
				Mojo Nixon
From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Solution to toll booth troubles
Keywords: Q-free system
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:02:48 GMT
Expires: 5 Dec 92 05:00:00 GMT
Organization: Computervision

In article <1992Nov11.221456.20494@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>	Wait a minute.  You mean to tell me those goddamn brainless APES
>who take the ticket and the money make SIXTY THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR!?!
>This really PISSES ME OFF!  A no-skills job (oh, maybe count money and
>make change) that pays that much deserves to be eliminated.

A friend of mine used to work as a toll taker on the Tobin Bridge in Boston.
What he told me was that about the only way you could get THAT job was if
you had friends in high places in the Mass. Port Authority.  I don't recall
what he was making but I do recall being rather envious.

>Pissed,

And rightly so...


Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
1977 750 Triumph Bonneville                 (617) 275-1800 x 4173
"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect
 us from the evil men do in the name of good"
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From: shoun@netcom.com (Lissa Shoun)
Subject: Re: British rides
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:24:18 GMT

In article <1drdatINNfh@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>
>In most states in the US, statutory rape laws forbid consentual sex
>with any minor female (ie, under 18), and one can obtain a motorcycle
>license at ~16.

Who cares? I got a motorcycle license when I was 34. Is it considered
statutory rape for a 36 year old woman, just for example, to have
sex with a 16 year old boy? Even if he has a motorcycle license? 

-- 
Lissa
shoun@netcom.com     (408) 926-0812
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From: crowder@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mark Crowder)
Subject: Re: Rainsuit Recommendations Wanted
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:49:10 GMT

In article <27487@oasys.dt.navy.mil> forestel@oasys.dt.navy.mil (J. Lauren Forestell) writes:
>
>Title says it. My husband's birthday is coming up and the masochist
>rides every day it isn't snowing. Since this is the rainy season here
>I am often aware that his Dry Rider doesn't do the job adequately. Any
>suggestions as to what kinds of (one-piece) rainsuits _really_ do the
>job?
  I don't know what kind of Dry Rider your husband has, but my DR 285
works great.  It's entering it's eight year of service, and has never 
leaked a drop.  I'm sure there are others that work as well, but this
one will "_really_ do the  job".

Mark Crowder                                            crowder@spdc.ti.com 
Dallas, Tx                    88 BMW R100RS         Texas Instruments, Inc.
|Disclaimer:  The advice/comments |"Dear Lord, give me chastity and self- |
|expressed above may occasionally |restraint ... but not yet, O Lord, not |
|be worth what you paid for them. |yet!"   -- St Augustine, A.D. 354-430  |
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From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Subject: Re: Why I ride
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 04:31:56 GMT

In article <y8LiuB1w165w@vector0.SAC.CA.US> jon@vector0.SAC.CA.US  (Dazed N. Confused) writes:
>osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:
>
>>      Why I Ride
>> 
>>                                           To live a life without
>> experiencing the thrill of hurtling at 150+ mph on a motorcycle,
>
>     The above is not riding.  It's racing.  Just like going 35 mph
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I disagree.

A race is a competition.  A race is an effort to reach a goal first.
I spend a reasonable bit of time over DoD nominal and have touched
135+ on more than one occasion.  I race no one and prefer that such
ventures are on solo rides simply becasue I do not like competition
on a bike.  Yet I like speed.  It is simply a marvelous rush to see
telephone poles go by like fence posts.  It is wonderful to feel the
wonderful push of air, even behind the excellent bubble of the FJ.
It is energizing to feel the quickened pulse of the bike as it lunges
up to those speeds.  I love it.  And it ain't racing, not even with 
the euphumistic "self."  If it is anything it is meditation, some of the
best, most focussed kind of meditation I've ever experienced.  I define
meditation as a focussed attention.  When in triple digits I find that
I focus on life.  I am aware of everything.

I think John Osborn hit the nail exactly on the head, although he'll
never see 150 on his PD even in a free fall. :-)

>     I will add this though:  I've recently thought about writing
>a will.  I'm 19 years old.  I think there's something to be said
>about the existentialist DoDer.  Are you ready to die the instant
>you leave your driveway?  Going down the freeway at 65+, pretty
>much anything happens and you are dead.  After you're a corpse
>you don't care who's fault it was.
>     Hey, it's morbid, but it's reality.

I disagree/agree.

It is not morbid.  It is reality.  As Blaine has said on the nets
"No one gets out of this alive."  One of the first things I did on
earning my M3 (any size bike in WA) addition to my permit was write up
a will.  I rarely/ever get on a bike without the thought that it is
"A lovely day to die."  I don't dwell on death and I do not feel
I am morbid.  I revel in life and simply accept that death is a part 
of life.  I do not feel that death is a state, but a gate.

Anyway in _my_ heaven, all the bikes run on goat's milk and the cops
are there to sweep the gravel off the roads in the twisties.  You're
all invited.  :-)

Ride Free,

Bill
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From: erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance trip?
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:22:01 GMT
Organization: pnet
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	There is but one bike for such nonsense! The Kawasaki Concours.
Eats up miles with the greatest of ease, hard luggage, excellent wind
protection too. A Goldwing would be more comfy for sure, though I'm not
sure I'd want to try piloting such a rig on the Alaskan "highway". Yikes. 


 ==============================================================================
  Erik Astrup                   DOD #683                            AFM #422

  1993 CBR 900RR  *  1990 CBR 600  *  1990 Concours *  1980 GL1100 Interstate

      "This one goes to eleven" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap
 ==============================================================================
From: osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Leg Protection for cold weather?
Date: 21 Nov 1992 23:47:05 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Nov21.184525.25723@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>In article <1elu71INNhck@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:
>>In article <skais7k@zola.esd.sgi.com> cj@sgi.com writes:
>>>in northern Cal could be actually called "cold"), I've been
>>>wearing spandex athletic shorts under my jeans.  Well, they're
>>)smirk(  Not to pick on you or anything, but this looks like
>>a prime example of danskinaphobia - the masculine fear of
>>wearing tights.
>CJ Silverio is female. Trust me.

Whoops!  )Sigh(  Gender is so confusing sometimes...
I'm *NOT* looking forward to dealing with the random gender
assigned to German nouns in my foreign language class
next semester.

Obmoto:  Is the German noun for "motorcycle" masc., fem., or neuter?


-- 
-
-John H. Osborn                     - Boycott Colorado
-osborn@cs.utexas.edu               - Enforced discrimination MUST NOT STAND
-DOD# 2001  '92 BMW Paris-Dakar     - Queer, Proud, and Angry
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From: molenda@i1.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda)
Subject: Re: Leg Protection for cold weather?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:17:42 GMT

achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:

>I've been wearing leather chaps for about 8 years. They work pretty well
>and are convenient for short trips such as commuting. Pants would be warmer,
>though I expect not as convenient.  Hope to have some by next winter.

I have found that wearing chaps AND pants to be the warmest
combination.  I would recommend you try wearing something besides just
chaps -- your rear end will thank you.
-- 
Jason Molenda, University of Minnesota, Supercomputer Inst., Technical Support
SGI Iris Admin        molenda@jason.msi.umn.edu       DoD #1867     '77 CB750F
``If you are what you eat, I'm dead meat.'' -- Timbuk 3
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From: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Best bikes of '73
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:29:16 GMT
Organization: Fido's Kennel, Cupertino CA

Monday November 16 1992 16:32, Alan Fleming wrote to All:

 AF> Well, the Kaw H2 (that 2-stroke 750 triple we've seen mentioned lately)
 AF> was one of them.  I've had the pleasure of riding my friend's a few
 AF> times.

 >> What were they like to ride?
 AF> Really fast acceleration.  Get used to seeing the front wheel in the
 AF> air.

Below the sweet spot at around 8k rpm, dogs. Hit the sweet spot with the
grip wound open, and you alway got a wheelie. Basically an on/off switch.
Both the H1 and H2 I had wanted to be run wound out all the time.

 >> How fast did they go?
 AF> My friend's tops out around 120 or so, but from 60 to top speed happens
 AF> really, really fast.

Yes. It would chug like a locomotive getting underway and suddenly the sound
would change to a bumble bee hum and your arms would stretch instantly.

 >> What were the brakes like?
 AF> It has a single disk front and drum rear.  They work okay, but you
 AF> really have to tug on the lever to do it.  Cornering will not be
 AF> discussed.

What brakes? They faded the third time you used them hard. From then on,
you used the gear box to brake. Cornering was, as you say, not something
one talks about. Sort of like a taboo subject, afraid that talking about
it would put a curse on you the next corner you went around. My H2 started
to shake its head one fine Sunday morning the first week I had it, going
around a fast sweeping corner in the NY countryside. The shake became worse
as the swingarm flexed, and before I knew it the tires skipped three feet
sideways in unison and I almost ran off the road, even though the shake
started with me on the centerline of the road, already almost straightened
out and just starting to stand it up. I sold it the next weekend.

 AF> Think Peace.

Any modern machine is peaceful compared to the bumble bee express.

John

--- GoldED 2.40.P0720+
--  
John Hamilton                  uucp: uts.amdahl.com!kennel!john
DoD #0327   ToT #11            internet: john@f8.n143.z1.fidonet.org
ZX-11 From Hell.               arpa: john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
She said, "Its either me or that ZX-11!" Too bad, I'll miss her.
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From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,sci.physics
Subject: Re: Slip-sliding away (was Re: What would you ride...)
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:51:14 GMT
	<1992Nov18.194212.6271@colorado.edu>
	<1992Nov18.212108.17588@i88.isc.com>
Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics

In article <bar> alex@lyra.colorado.edu (Alex Matthews) writes:
>complete the following brain-teaser:
>
>"You are riding your bike in a straight line.  Is your front wheel rotating
>about its hub, or about its contact point with the road, or both, or
>neither?"

Good question.

The front wheel is rotating about the hub, because there is an
inertial frame (moving with the bike) in which the wheel's motion is
constant and zero along one line -- the center of the axle.  There is
no inertial frame in which any other part of the wheel is stationary.

There -- that's 50 words.

And don't give me any of this `contact patch' bullshit, because `the
contact patch' doesn't describe any particular part of the tire!  (If
you don't believe me, try painting the part of the tire that is the
contact patch, and nothing else.)
--
Craig DeForest -- astrophysicist for hire.  

Beat Cal - Beat Cal - Beat Cal - Beat Cal - Beat Cal - Beat Cal - Beat Cal 
               [sort-a mindless, eh? That's pac-10 for you.]
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Alaska or bust! (What would you ride on a long distance trip?)
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:25:07 GMT

rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.172201.6784@znext.cts.com> erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup) writes:

>>	There is but one bike for such nonsense! The Kawasaki Concours.

>For my money, a 10,000 mile trip should be done on a Gold Wing!

Why do I get the feeling that some folks feel the world ends where the
asphalt stops? Sure, a Wing, or Concours, or ST1100, or FJ1200 would be
fine for a 10,000 mile trip to nowhere in particular, but the intended
destination is Alaska. Why bother making the trip if you can't get off
the beaten path and do some exploring?

Now I'm sure I'm going to hear all about how your chosen plastic-wrapped,
1/4-ton-plus, smooth-tired, low-piped, zero-ground clearance bike is
perfectly at home in the dirt. Ok, maybe so, but let's make sure we have
a common frame of reference. Would you consider a graded dirt road
"Dirt" or "Road"? How's your bike do on stream crossings? How do you
steer a bike in the dirt, push to turn, pull to turn, or gas it?
(Jerry Wills need not reply, I know his FJ thinks it's a dirtbike. :-)

Now I'm not saying that the bike needs to have Deeney-like abilities to
levitate up sheer rock faces, but it's got to be competent in the dirt.
I can ride my FJ in the dirt, and I've done it and hated it. Above 35-40
mph, with a full load of Fisher-Price luggage and camping gear, it starts
shaking its head. And of course it suffers all the ills I mentioned
above. A hundred HP engine and what's essentially a slick rear tire
sharpens your throttle control skill immensely! Short-shift like crazy,
and think "smooth, smoooth, smoooooth".

As I said before, the R100 P-D would probably be my first choice since
it could get you there in comfort, and let you do some exploring. But 
I might be tempted to sacrifice a bit of highway comfort for better dirt
capabilities.

The European Paris-Dakar version of Yamaha's TDM800 is a lot narrower
than the Boxer, but I don't know if it's any ligher. And you've got a
fragile radiator to worry about in a spill.

Honda's XR650L would be wonderful in the dirt, and I'm sure Corbin could
create an appropriate seat, but I wonder how much grunt it would have
left after mounting some Krauser luggage? Also, that joke of a gas tank
would have to be swapped with at least a 6 gallon desert tank.

I dunno about Ed Hackett's Camel, where you going to find a MotoMorini
dealer up there? :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Tricks
Keywords: comments....
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:50:03 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


In article <1992Nov13.162111.28601@news.columbia.edu>, js13@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (J. Andrew Smith) writes:

> I used to live on a long, straight, fairly traffic-free street in New
> Haven, and kids with bikes raced down it all the time in the LOUDEST
> fucking bikes they could GET, and at the LATEST hours!  Therefore,
> what SWEET revenge it would be to get some black wire or strong nylon
> twine, tie in between two STRONG trees or posts at the right height
> and THHHWINGGG!  Off with their delinquent, pimply little heads!

Somebody in London (UK) did just this, except it was wire. The biker
it caught is in hospital, and is thought unlikely to speak again. The
neighbours said there was a lot of local bad feeling against bikers
with loud bikes.

-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:38:29 EST
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From: robert.laszko@filebank.cts.com (Robert Laszko)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Helmet Cleaning
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:08:00 GMT
Reply-To: robert.laszko@filebank.cts.com (Robert Laszko)
Organization: The File Bank BBS - Fallbrook, CA  619-728-4318

>Soak it.  You can't hurt it.  Why not use a blow dryer?

Seems to me with all the nooks & crannies that water could 'hide' inside
a helmet, you're just asking for trouble - mold and/or mildew being at 
the top of the list. 

As to not using a blow dryer - I can think of a few reasons why I 
wouldn't - might melt any plastic parts, peel any graphics / decals if 
the shell got too hot, might damage the impact-absorbing 'stuff' (EPS?) 
- one of the bike mags mentioned, as a reason to replace a helmet every 
two or three years, that exposure to the atmosphere (ie.. taking a new 
helmet out of the box & unbagging it) will start a deterioration 
process. That may be a little far out there - but why take chances where
your mellon is involved?

Maybe I'm being an old lady about this - but I treat my lid like a fine 
piece of china.

Bob
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From: mitcheec@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (Elliott Mitchell)
Subject: Re: VESPA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:08:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.020221.7789@netcom.com>, dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka) writes...
>In article <17NOV199212540586@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu> mitcheec@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (Elliott Mitchell) writes:
>>Does anyone in this group ever talk about Vespas?  Any interest in Vespas?
> 
>They'd make good coat racks, if only they were a bit taller.

cute.
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