From: dietz@parody.Data-IO.COM (Kent Dietz)
Subject: White Flag in Flame Wars (Kent and Gordon)
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:46:32 GMT

In article <Byxzow.8r5@cs.dal.ca>, niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma) writes:
|> 
|>   Has anyone read Kent Dietz attack on me? (Gord Niguma). Of course, he tried
|> to make me look like the bad guy in his posting by deleting all of his insulting
|> drivel he made. He insulted Gary Huckabay, insulted the Blue Jays and their
|> supporters and eventually got around to insulting me.
|> If anyone read Dietz first post they would have realized the Class A Jerk
|> he is. But if they read the edited version he will make me look like the bad 
|> guy. He backs off his original arrogant ways and just leaves my angry remarks
|> (directed only at him and clearly stated so) to make him look like some type
|> of innocent martyr.
|>   I think that I've made much greater contributions to the net than someone who
|> just goes around insulting people and received ten E-Mail responses saying so
|> I've tried to stay away from flaming but when Dietz went around putting down 
|> the A's and woofing AND insulted Gary Huckabay, that was a little too much.
|> In general I try to post something the net can appreciate such as Brock
|> projections, trade analysis, rumours and lineup selection analysis; and I think
|> that those around here know that I don't go around woofing even after the 
|> Jays won the World Series.  
|>   I just don't want anyone to get the wrong impression following Dietz's 
|> "nice guy" posting in response to getting flamed for posting offensive drivel.
|> 
|> 						Gord Niguma


I'm having a tough time understanding how this got out of hand.  I probably
should just let it die and not waste bandwidth on this, but ...

My initial post in this series was a "slam" at Gary Huckabay, whom I have
not heard from, by the way.  It is possible that my original "target" took
the post as the meaningless "woof" that it was -- mixed with my thoughts on
what is required to "detest (Gary's word") a team.  It is also possible that 
Gary never saw my retort :-)  While writing that reply I couldn't help myself
in taking a swing at the Blue Jays (not the Blue Jay fans mind you!)

From this, came Gord Niguma's flaming reply, with expletives galore.  I thought
of letting this pass, but there were just too many opportunities in his flame
for me to backflash; again, I just couldn't help myself (hmm, seems to be a
serious lack of control here on my part ...).  

Again, I will reiterate, I feel that I never attacked any individual (besides
those paid directly by the Toronto Blue Jays Baseball Club and maybe the
Oakland A's) nor any municipality or soveriegn nation.  Certainly, I never 
flamed at Gordon or any other Toronto fan. 

Another critic of my post seemed to key on my use of the word "hate".  I have
seen the word used in this context before and since (a certain Milwaukie fan
out there knows what I mean) and hope that all readers understand that the
term should not be misconstrued.

I will however apologize to coal miners everywhere for my unfortunate slander
of their chosen profession in my critique of Gordon's letter re: his use of
profuse profanity :-0.  THIS was uncalled for (both my misanthropic mention 
of coal miners AND Gord's profanity) and *I* will be more careful in my future
adventures.  See below:

  >Talk about drivel, Gord bud.  Have you done any grammar checks on your post?
  >I suspect that it would come out somewhere between 2 grade and the coal mine.

Maybe I should also apologize to second graders ... Nah.

I will not debate the merits of Gord's value to the net; it is not my place
and I really don't care.  I *was* surprised by the violence of his counter
attack however -- which did nothing to make me back off from my original stance. 

I *still* do not like the Toronto Blue Jay organization.  I don't like the 
Dallas Cowboys either (all Viking fans will likely agree) and I have state that
fact in rec.sport.football.pro, without the violent response triggered here.

'Nuff said. Although I found this exchange to be amusing, I feel that it has
become unproductive and meaningless. I will mention it no further ... (unless
provoked of course ;-)

Kent Dietz
Twins in '93 (If Twins fans will still have me ...sniff..sniff)

PS: Anybody got a Puckett jersey they want to sell me?  (no smiley face)


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