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From: gordon@edwin.enet.dec.com (InfoServer Software Engineering)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: name this artist
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:54:30 GMT
Reply-To: gordon@edwin.enet.dec.com (InfoServer Software Engineering)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, InfoServer Engineering


>
>>I heard a song called "Sensitive New Age Guys" on Dr. Demento last year,
>>and I think it's by Christine Lavin.  Last week I heard another song called
>>"I Love Bald-Headed Men" and I think it's by the same person.  Can anyone
>>confirm this for me, and if so, tell me what albums these songs are on? 
>>Thanks!

>I don't know anything about the Bald-Headed Men song.
>

	I've heard Christine do "Bald Headed Men" in concert twice but it's
not on any of her albums yet that I know of.

					--Doug (who *is* bald)
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From: jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman)
Subject: Re: Mangled song lyrics
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:30:07 GMT

jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger) writes:

>There's a technical name for this sort of thing, coined by San Francisco
>columnist Jon Carroll: "mondegreens".

I am delighted to have this word at my disposal.

Perhaps the most fertile ground for mondegreens is the songs that
children learn (or learned, in my day) by rote in school.  I once read
an entire article about the things schoolchildren had made of "America"
("My country, 'tis of thee").  "Protect us by Thy might" came out
"Protect a spy by night" or, more imaginatively, "Protect us -- spy
they might!".

It is also not unknown for little New York children to pray, "Lead us
not into Penn Station".
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From: dahe@cl.cam.ac.uk (David Elworthy)
Subject: Re: Who are these guys?
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:34:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.144223.6522@desire.wright.edu>, ctodd@desire.wright.edu writes:
|> 
|> 
|> Excuse my ignorance but can anyone enlighten me as to the history and/or
|> musical affiliations of Ron Kavana and Terry Woods?
|> 

Ron Kavana is an Irish folk virtuoso - mainly on guitar, Irish Bazouki and
instruments of that ilk. He has two careers, one concentrating more on
traiditional Irish music, and the other more "electric". He uses different
names for the two: Ron Kavanagh for one and Alias Ron Kavana for the other
(I don't know which way round and I may have the the "gh" in the wrong
place here). A fair amount of his work is strongly political. I haven't
heard a lot by him, but I've liked what I've heard. I saw him live last
summer at the Sidmouth festival, where he gave a brilliant acoustic
performance. It was a very short notice: a band scheduled to appear failed
to arrive (their van broke down), and he happened to be in the pub across
the road. He borrowed a bazouki, persuaded a friend to come in on guitar
and just got up there and played.

-- david elworthy
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From: freewill@carson.u.washington.edu (William Kaufman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: 'New Age' Music
Date: 6 Jan 1993 22:10:30 GMT
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  Well, this is purely hypothetical, but there may be a significant legacy 
of conflict between (early) celtic religion and Christianity. Aren't a lot 
of the Scots Irish people who brought us country music, conservatism and
fundamentalist Christianity in this country from a celtic background them-
selves? (As their nationality implies, anyway) People like Clannad may re-
present the 'old' ways of the native religions of their culture to reborn 
Christians. There is little doubt that Christianity fought long and hard 
to push various native religions out of its way. This could have created
a partly unconscious tradition of conflict between those who didn't want
to change and those who did, which carries through to today. Also, I think
a case can be made that the content of 'New Age' stuff oftens harkens back 
to earlier pagan religions.
   				my 0.02 cents worth,   freewill
From: davek@informix.com (David Kosenko)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Mangled song lyrics
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:18:32 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

David Elworthy writes:
>
>And let's not forget "Meat and Two Veg" (or "Meat on the Leg") by Fairport
>Convention. Nor, for that matter, "Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts" 
>in which
>one of them takes a cabbage into town. And that's not even to mention Queen's
>Bohemian Rhapsody with its famous "Is this the real life? Is this just 
>Battersea?"
>Or a host of others. I think Richard Thompson said at Cropredy last year 
>that he
>had suffered badly from this problem.

A co-worker told of how he heard a youngster, after seeing the movie
"Wayne's World" (which has a scene in which "Bohemian Rhapsody" is
featured) remarking on that cool song, "Bohemian Rap City".  Perhaps
there is a Marky Mark version?

Dave
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From: lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu (lopresti robert)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Lady Mondegrass
Date: 9 Jan 93 21:32:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1993Jan9.213231.1757
Organization: Western Washington University


I thought it was Mondegrass, not Mondegreen, but maybe I heard (read)
it wrong...

When I was a kid my older sister used to like the song by, uhh...Herman's
Hermits?  which went "She's a must to avoid."  But my sister thought
it went "She's a muscular boy."  Makes my sister sound a bit odd, but
never mind.

And from the same era, don't forget that wonderful Beatle's song,
"Take the back rider."  ("Dear sir or madam won't you read my book...")

And speaking of Stan Rogers, until I saw the liner notes for his
album FROM FRESH WATER I couldn't figure out the lyrics of "The House
of Orange" at all.  He's singing about Irish people gihting each other
and the line goes: "O'This and O'That name don't matter at all."

Rob
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Coffee songs
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:20:13 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield) wrote:
> jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman) writes:
>#> The Israeli folksong "Finjan" (Coffeepot) contains a complete recipe
>#> for Middle Eastern style coffee.  A little of it is in _Rise Up
>#> Singing_, which credits the Hebrew words to Chaim Hefer & the music to
>#> Moshe Wilenski.
> I just wanted to point out that there is more than one style of
> coffee in the Middle East. Turkish coffee (qahwa turkiyya) is
> made of roasted coffee beans with sugar and cardamon (hail).
> Arabic coffee (as made in Saudi Arabia or sold on the streets
> in Damascus, for example) is made of green coffee beans with
> fresh cardamon and no sugar. Many people mistakenly think that
> Turkish coffee is Arabic coffee because many Arabs make and
> drink Turkish coffee.

How about somebody actually posting this song-recipe?

Steve's account doesn't gel with my experience (I've been to Turkey, but
not the Arab world or Israel).  Cardamom coffee isn't particularly common
in Turkey and sugar is not universal.  (Is "Finjan" originally an Arabic
word? - it also occurs in Turkish but can't be a native Turkish word on
phonological grounds).  Maybe he's reporting the way Arabs perceive Turkish
customs?

What other songs are there which contain practical information like this?
I'm reminded of the (possibly bogus?) explanation of some negro spirituals
as giving coded maps of how slaves could escape northwards in the guise of
detailing the way to heaven.

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From: jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman)
Subject: Re: Utah Phillips
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:10:08 GMT

pprun@august.it.uswc.uswest.com writes:


>Does anyone have Utah Phillips' record "Good Though"?

Yes.  It is Philo 1004, Library of Congress Card No. 72 751031; 1973.
Cannonball Blues; Queen of the Rails; Going Away; Frisco Road;
Starlight on the Rails; Calling Trains; Daddy, What's a Train?; Moose
Turd Pie; Old Buddy, Goodnight; Phoebe Snow; Nickel Plate Road No.
759; Wabash Cannonball; Tolono.

The Moose Turd Pie joke alluded to in the title is one of my
favorites; but Phillips implausibly shifts its locale & makes it too
long.
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From: TMH1@psuvm.psu.edu (Tina Hay@Penn State)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Karla Bonoff
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:17:45 GMT
 <lkerovINNd66@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1i8eraINNonl@tamsun.tamu.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

Incidentally, Karla Bonoff's version of "The Water is Wide" also appears on
a "Thirtysomething" soundtrack CD.
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Maura O'Connells "Crazy Dreams"
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:27:42 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <pavlovic.20.726529118@ehsc.orst.edu> pavlovic@ehsc.orst.edu (James Pavlovich) writes:
>In article <16295@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
|>From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
|>Subject: Maura O'Connells "Crazy Dreams"
|>Date: 8 Jan 93 20:04:57 GMT
|>The last tune the Maura did on ACL last weekend was a song that she said that
|>she recorded a long time ago called "Crazy Dreams".  It was the highlight
|>of the show.  Would someone know on which album the song was on and if someone
|>has the lyrics I'd much appreciate a copy.
|
|She has done a few Paul Brady songs.  Is this one of his?

I believe it is a Paul Brady song.  Someone sent me email and said that it
was on her "Just in Time" album and that she also heard a live version.

|  I just picked up 
|his compilation "Songs and Crazy Dreams" and was pleasantly surprised (
|particularly after being so dissapointed with "Trick or Treat").  "Crazy 
|Dreams" is the opening track, but I find it one of the weaker songs on a 
|very good album. 
 
Perhaps it was O'Connells performance (or that she had Jerry Douglass
providing some excellent backup work on dobro) but I found it to be a 
highlight of the show.  Either that or I gotta pick up that Paul Brady
album.
From: colin@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Colin Matheson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Undisputed Masters
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:35:06 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <C0E8I0.92@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:

(Suggested instrumental virtuosi):

>Gordon Duncan 	Highland pipes
>Hamish Moore 	Small pipes

I'll second this pair - Gordon Duncan also writes very interesting and
unusual tunes.  He's recording a solo album soon, I think, as well as
playing with the Vale of Atholl.

>What about harpers? 
>
>Patrick Ball	Wire Strung Harp, modern interpretation (rolled 
>		chords, glissandi)
>
>Kim Robertson	Gut strung harp, modern interpretation
>
>Alain Stivell	Ancient wire/gut strung harp technique
>Alison Kinnaird
>
>Cheryl Fulton	Medieval double and triple harps
>
>Robin Huw Bowen	Welsh triple harp

I guess I'd add Patsy Seddon before Alison Kinnaird, myself, and I'd
put Wendy Stewart in there too (Wendy also has a solo album out now on
Greentrax - "About Time").

Savourna Stevenson deserves a mention for clever experimentation with
chromatics on clarsachs, and Deborah Henson-Conant for jazz/blues
work.

Anyone got the gold envelope?  :-)

Colin
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From: martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin)
Subject: Re: Source of "Mr. Fox's Garden"?
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
	<1992Dec29.215621.12494@pony.Ingres.COM>
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:33:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.215621.12494@pony.Ingres.COM> jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon
Berger) writes:

   In article <1hqfhaINNaue@shelley.u.washington.edu>, 
peekstok@stein.u.washington.edu (Anna Peekstok) writes:
   >Can anyone enlighten me as to the origin or source of the eerie "Little
   >Sir Hugh"-type song that is called "Mr. Fox's Garden"?
   >
   >It's about a girl named Mary who chases her golden ball into Mr. Fox's
   >garden, where she is imprisoned as a servant by Mr. Fox, who has one red
   >eye. He forbids her to go into a certain room, so of course she does, and
   >sees there a sword and her golden ball. The ending is ambiguous; Mr. Fox
   >jumps out at her, but the song ends before we find out what happens.

   Is that the one with the chorus that starts "The wall is high", with a
   big scary one-octave leap before the word "high"?  If so, it's performed
   by Frankie Armstrong, and possibly written by her as well, and I think
   it's on the "I Heard A Woman Singing" album.

That's the one.  It's by John Pole and Terry Yarnell, written in the
mid-1960s, and recorded by Frankie Amstrong as Jon said, by Jenny
Armstrong and her sister (whose name escapes me) on her album with
George Park-Armstrong, "Wild Hog in the Woods", by Sally Rogers and
Claudia Schmidt on their most recent joint album, and by Cindy Mangsen
(with harmony from Priscilla Herdman and Anne Hills) on her new
solo album, "Songlines", which came out about three weeks ago.

I heard Cindy sing it a couple of times at festivals and coffeehouses
three years ago and went on a wild goose chase after the lyrics.  I
thought it was traditional, and searched ballad collections in several
university libraries.  Finally, I asked Cindy, who told me that it
was published in Sing Out! a few years ago.  Then I searched four more
major libraries before finding one with the correct issue.  (Hurrah for
the University of Illinois at Chicago!)

Great song!  Tony Barrand is responsible for the last verse, which
is the same as the first verse, where Mary bounces the ball over
the wall, except that Mary's name is changed to Polly, turning Mr.
Fox into a serial killer.


--
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From: dnichols@d-and-d.com (DoN. Nichols)
Subject: Re: Undisputed Masters
Organization: D and D Data, Vienna VA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:15:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.211753.965@oracorp.com> mark@oracorp.com (Mark Bickford) writes:
>
>I was listening to a tape of Matt Malloy in my car the other day,
>and was overwhelmed as usual. I started wondering how many other
>musicians could be as universally respected as the master of
>his/her instrument in his/her musical genre as Matt Malloy is
>for Irish music on the flute. I thought this question might make
>a good topic for more lists (which we seem to love).
>
>Here's what I thought of as I was driving:
>
>Matt Malloy		Irish flute
>Noel Hill		Irish Anglo-Concertina
>Kenny Baker		Bluegrass Fiddle
>Clifton Chenier		Zydeco Piano-Accordion
>Alisdair Frazier (sp?)	Scottish Fiddle
>Mary Bergin		Irish Tin Whistle
>
>I might pick: Liz Carroll	Irish Fiddle
>but does she really qualify?

	Well, I came to this thread late (luckilly I set a long expire time
for r.m.f on my machines), so I read through all the other entries in the
thread, and find no nomination for the English Concertina, so:

Alastair Anderson	English Concertina

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From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Mandolin Brothers/Santa Cruz guitars
Date: 5 Jan 1993 20:39:39 GMT
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In article <1993Jan5.134247.25623@trintex.uucp> neverisk@trintex.uucp (Mike Neverisky) writes:
>In article <1i60b3INNjoh@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:
>>
>>My impression of Mandolin Brothers was the asking prices are
>>high, by about 20% across the board, and I've been told that at this 
>>establishment you need to *seriously* dicker over price if you don't 
>>want to pay too much (boring, isn't it...)
>
>The Brothers do apply a "penalty" for non-cash transactions, but the cash
>price, $2160, was the same quoted by Elderly and is, in my observation,
>the list price from the manufacturer.

I assume you're discussung the SCGC OM model.  Right --
no discounts on that one.

I'm referring to higher volume instruments.  Example: when
checking out guitar prices in the NE this fall, I found
you could buy a new Guild D-4 for $475 at a story in
Portland ME (Buckdancer's choice), where as the apparently
identical Guild D-4, not new but "barely used and returned",
was $579 at Mandolin Brothers.

I have been told that this sort of 20% disparity is 
expected for new Martins, Guilds, etc.  But more
datapoints would be useful.

Steve
From: billrich@caspian.ext.vt.edu (Bill Richardson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: John Stewart "Bullets In the Hourglass" * * * 1/2
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:23:35 GMT

In article <1ik5mhINNqi2@fnnews.fnal.gov> jeffk@cdibm.fnal.gov (Jeff  
Kallenbach) writes:
> I just picked up John Stewart's latest release and recommend it highly.   
He's 
> fifty-something now and has lost none of his passion.  There are a  
couple of 
> soft spots on this album but by and large it's outstanding, particularly  
if you 
> are a fan of his work in the 70's.  He's helped here by Rosanne Cash  
(another 
> personal favorite) and his wife Buffy Ford.

Did John Stewart write "Me and My Uncle" and record an acoustic version of  
this song, or was it someone else?   I used to hear it in the '70s on WHFS  
in Washington, DC.
From: zbang@access.digex.com (Carl P. Zwanzig)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Mangled song lyrics
Date: 7 Jan 1993 23:28:40 GMT
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My favorites include:

From "The Rambles of Spring"
  There's a fearsome wint'ry breeze
  with my pants down to my knees

and from the middle of "Kilgarry Mountain"
  Stand on your liver
  for you are a gold retriever

The latter line from a Tommy Smothers song "The Eskimo Song" about
a dog named Rover.

Cheers
Carl Zwanzig
zbang@access.digex.com
From: dahe@cl.cam.ac.uk (David Elworthy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Mangled song lyrics
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:55:19 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

In article <C0Hy4n.391@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
|> [ from a rec.arts.books thread on misheard song lyrics: I'm moving this to
|>   rec.music.folk ]
|> >> Back in high school we had a guy convinced that
|> >>   I'm Your Venus           (Shocking Blue, I think)
|> >> was I'm Your Penis and he couldn't figure out how they were playing that 
|> >> on the radio.
|> 
|> When I was about 9 a New Zealand hit was a song by (I think) Lonnie Donegan
|> that started
|> 	Wake up, wake up darlin Cory
|> 	what makes you sleep so sound?
|> 	the revenue officers are comin
|> 	to tear your stillhouse down...
|> 
|> Except that I heard the word "stillhouse" as "silk pants" (the rest of the
|> song made no sense to me at all, as I had no idea about liquor laws in the
|> US or anywhere else).  In the light of some the creative misreadings we've
|> had here, I now regret never communicating this to anyone else: it might
|> have ended up in a singable parody.
|> 

And let's not forget "Meat and Two Veg" (or "Meat on the Leg") by Fairport
Convention. Nor, for that matter, "Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts" in which
one of them takes a cabbage into town. And that's not even to mention Queen's
Bohemian Rhapsody with its famous "Is this the real life? Is this just Battersea?"
Or a host of others. I think Richard Thompson said at Cropredy last year that he
had suffered badly from this problem.

-- david elworthy
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Utah Phillips
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:56:16 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <C0Fy1v.As0@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com> pprun@august.it.uswc.uswest.com writes:
|
|Does anyone have Utah Phillips' record "Good Though"?  Could this kind
|soul post a discography?  This record was recommended to me, but there
|is a song or two that I am looking for.

That wouldn't happen to be "Moose Turd Pie" (it's good though), would it?
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Subject: Re: Crucial release dates sought
From: <KMICHEL@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 7 Jan 1993 10:16:34 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

Nanci Griffith's new album is due out in March (exact date unknown)
and is entitled "Other Voices, Other Rooms."
By the way, I think "Ohio Winter Gray" should be a color in the
Crayola box.

-Kathleen
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From: debbie.gillespie@rose.com (debbie gillespie)
Subject: KARLA BONOFF
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:54:22 GMT
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Date Entered: 01-04-93 22:48
In article <4239@eastman.UUCP> Peter Simmons writes:

Karla Bonoff is going to be playing near here (Knoxville, TN) at the end
of January.  A flier I got says "she has toured with Jackson Brown and

Go see the concert! You won't' be disappointed.  We have her first 2
albums on vinyl and I believe there is 1 on CD called Restless Nights
which I'm not familiar with.  I do intend to look around for CD's though
as our copies are on open reel format if you can believe that!
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From: sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Building Banjoes
Date: 5 Jan 1993 15:38:40 GMT
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I received a catalog from Elderly Instruments in Lansing,
Michigan yesterday. I note that they offer several banjo
kits at competitive prices, including the mountain banjo
I posted about yesterday, and the Saga banjo. The mountain
banjo, by the way, is a Frank Proffit-style banjo. Elderly
offered what sounded like a more substantial (and more
expensive) version of such a banjo in their instrument listings.

Incidentally, although it isn't a kit, I forgot to mention
yesterday that I've heard that Clark Buehling (not sure I'm
spelling his name right and not sure where he's from, but it's
somewhere in the South) makes and sells gourd banjos. Mike
Seeger plays one. I've heard that they are not prohibitively
expensive.

Steve Goldfield        :<{  {>:           sag@hera.berkeley.edu
University of California at Berkeley     Richmond Field Station