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From: merce@iguana.uucp (Jim Mercer)
Subject: Ajax/Oshawa/Bowmanville Feeds (was: Re: Feed in )
Organization: Ed (the iguana) Memorial Society
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 14:51:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug09.202313.1784@r-node.gts.org> marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin) writes:
>Posting for someone...please respond to the email address:
>
>By the way, I wonder if you could do me a favor.  Would you be able
>to find out if anyone in Whitby, Ajax, Pickering, or Oshawa has/and would
>be willing to grant mail/news feeds.  Since Whitby is where I will
>be living, I would like to try and avoid long-distance charges if I could
>by calling locally.  If you don't have time, no problem. Thanks.
>
>Type to ya later...
>Dave
>
>=====================================================================
>David Beaupre					| "Think HONK iF
>University of Waterloo				|    you are a 
>debeaupr@descartes.waterloo.edu			|   telepath!"
>debeaupr@descartes.uwaterloo.ca			|
>CompuServe-> 71201,1176				|

RSN, there will be a site in Oshawa, who has a fixed rate access line to
downtown toronto.

someone has already asked to connect from bowmanville.

hoepfully we will have this running by the end of the month.

send mail to jim@lsuc.on.ca

-- 
[ Jim Mercer   Reptilian Research  merce@iguana.reptiles.org  +1 519 893-6085 ]
[   "Like a pump in a fish tank, we keep new things coming in so old things   ]
[    don't die." -- Archie McPhee Catalog                                     ]
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:51:58 GMT

> I've never noticed TTC vehicles speeding, but few of them pay much
> heed to traffic lights.  Streetcars are particularly notorious
> offenders.

Streetcars are not vehicles; they are trains.  That is, they are
regulated under the Railway Act and not the Highway Traffic Act.
I doubt that they are required to respect traffic lights.

Given the TTC's safety record, though, it seems rather unlikely that
that red-light running could really be rampant.  My personal experience
certainly says that it isn't.
-- 
Mark Brader			"Anyone who can handle a needle convincingly
SoftQuad Inc., Toronto		 can make us see a thread which is not there."
utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com				-- E. H. Gombrich

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Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.followup
From: buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland)
Subject: Re: Refusing to yield right of away out of moral indignation
Organization: University of B.C. Computing Services
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:59:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.020928.12844@watson.ibm.com> crispin@watson.ibm.com (Crispin Cowan) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.221159.29932@unixg.ubc.ca> buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug18.133218.26642@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter) writes:
>>>  Your type cause accidents!
>> twice, since you are unlikely to have the training or vehicle to
>> drive safely at really high speeds, and it doesn't help much to,
>There you go again making claims about other people's motivations and
>skills.  What do you know about my high-speed driving skills?
 
 Nothing.  That's why I said "unlikely".  Only a very small proportion
 of the population has specialized driving training or has otherwise
 acquired the necessary skills for driving safely at high speeds.
 For all I know, you're one of them.  An even smaller number of
 people have vehicles adapted (for instance, with beefed-up
 suspensions designed for cornering and maintaining road contact
 at high speed) to allow them to fully exercise such skills.  For
 all I know, you drive such a vehicle.  But as a generalization,
 the average driver in an ordinary car, in the emotional state of
 dealing with a personal emergency, is well advised to, as I said
 before, think twice.
 
>You just don't seem to appreciate the point:  REGARDLESS oif your moral
>opinion of evil speeders, it is a FACT that it is illegal for you to
>obstruct the left lane, because it is a FACT that people will try to go
>around you, and that is more dangerous that their speeding.  So whether
>or not you like it, for the safety of all, GET OUT OF THE WAY.

 If it isn't apparent by now that I will in fact get out of the way
 when it's safe to do so, and that I will bend the meaning of "safe"
 considerably in an emergency, it never will be.
From: pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley)
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Re: ont.bikes
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:24:28 GMT
Reply-To: pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley)
Distribution: ont
Organization: Ember---private system

In article <1992Aug14.120954.28806@geovision.gvc.com>
Paul Tomblin (pt@geovision.gvc.com) writes:

>Ok, I take it back.  Somebody suggested we create ont.bikes, but I said that
>we just use a Distribution of ont in postings in rec.bicycles.  Well, my
>posting appeared in California, so I guess the Distribution isn't working.
>(And no, it wasn't Ontario, California).
>
>So - anybody want to create ont.bikes?

I think a much better name would be "ont.bicycles", to match the
USENET group rec.bicycles

I would be in favour of creating the group if there's a general
agreement.

There aren't any official rules for creating ont.* groups, but I
think some discussion would be appropriate.

- Paul Colley
University:  colley@qucis.queensu.ca
Home:        pacolley@ember.uucp   watmath!ember!pacolley  +1 613 545 3807
"Quantum Mechanics:  The dreams stuff is made of"    - Ken Burnside

Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 23:29:06 GMT

In article <equPPB2w165w@beltrix.guild.org> peters@beltrix.guild.org (Peter Sleggs) writes:
>Out here in Mississauga you look behind and find a cop has followed you
>through :)

Those Canadian

                          Family with Values [tm] :-)


will thus teach their kids to

                          Never drive like the police does


and everyone will live happily ever after.
From: robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne)
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:25:03 GMT
Distribution: can

pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley) writes:
> For the life of me, what motivates Toronto drivers?  Some deep,
> pathological fear of another driver getting where they want to go?

No,  they actually believe that if you get ahead of them you are
beating them;  you are winning and they are losing.

Some interesting examples of this:

Often when I pass somebody they will speed up to match my speed.
Since I'm on cruise I know it's not me.  The only way to get
past these guys (they are invariably men) is to speed up by
at least 10kph;  anything less than that and they will continue
to match your speed.

Often after I pass somebody they will pass me back.  Again I'm
on cruise.   I once passed and was passed by the same guy four
times in a 50km stretch of highway.

Rob.
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Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland)
Subject: Re: sdebar re passing or right (was sidebar re 401 (: -))
Organization: University of B.C. Computing Services
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:56:11 GMT

In article <0N4PPB1w165w@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca> frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca writes:
>colette@bwdls46.bnr.ca (Colette George) writes:
>
>> I was driving to Montreal last Friday and there was someone in the left lane
>> of the highway driving *exactly* 100 km/h.  Now, on a nice clear day with dry
>> roads, how many people do you think were driving at that speed? Not many ...
>And then they wonder why people in LA shoot at them.  It's only a matter 
>of time before this beings to happen elsewhere.

 Tailgating and other harrassment by following speeders rarely reaches
 that (gunfire) level, but nevertheless it says in some diluted form,
 "Lemme do what I want, or I'll killya!"  And we nearly always do,
 since practically none of us, even (surprise?) me, value our lives
 less than our righteousness before the law.
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From: kennedyj@king.dist7040.rotary.org (Jim Kennedy)
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,us.general
Subject: Melborne Australia
Keywords: Rotary 93
Date: 15 Aug 92 14:05:44 GMT
Reply-To: king!kennedyj@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Jim Kennedy)
Distribution: can,ont,world
Organization: Kingston Rotary System, Kingston, ON (613) 546-3078

I am planning on attending the 1993 R.I. convention in Melborne, 
Australia and I wondered if there was going to be any other Canadians 
that are also planning on being there.

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Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: mennie@bcrki39.bnr.ca (Bill Mennie 3-4473)
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Reply-To: mennie@bcrki39.bnr.ca (Bill Mennie 3-4473)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:53:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.162236.8421@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>,
jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:
> In article <1992Aug12.131933.24200@bnr.ca> alanw@bnr.ca writes:
> 
> 
>    In Toronto, all intersections have a four way red, which gives
>    drivers a chance to complete their left turns. In Ottawa, orange to
>    red happens simultaneously with red to green in the orthogonal road.

Actually, we have 4-way red lights here, too.  It's the half-dozen
people that enter the intersection after the red that is the problem;
not the ones clearing the intersection.


Cheers,

Bill

William E. Mennie        | Phone:    (613) 763-4473 | BNR is in no way
Bell-Northern Research   | Internet: mennie@bnr.ca  | responsible for the
P.O. Box 3511, Station C |                          | preceding ideas or
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Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin)
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX System (416-249-5366) 24hrs.
Distribution: can
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:07:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.163854.23622@bcrka451.bnr.ca> nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
>Actually, this one makes sense.  With the limit at 60, everyone drives
>80-90, which is fine.  When they moved the limit up to 80, people were
>driving at 100-110 - and that was too fast for the curve on the road.
>
	That was the theory at the base in Nova Scotia.  They 
unofficial 'up'ed the speed to 60 from 50, but didn't post the
change.  That way, drivers didn't get pulled over so often for 
exceeding the speed limit because it was too low, but people didn't
exceed 60 either.  I thought it was actually quite intelligent of
them to do it that way.

>A lot of that in THIS thread :-)
>
	In most threads it degenerates to that, no?

Marc
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From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
Subject: Re: 401 and Interstate contrasts
Date: 13 Aug 92 04:59:19 GMT
Followup-To: ont.general
Distribution: can
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Aug12.173230.25293@sq.sq.com> donald@sq.sq.com (Donald Teed) writes:
>The highways here have very poor standards with regards to planning
>merging areas and lengths, and also the number of lanes one must
>change to in order to get to the right place.  In the U.S., the merge
>lanes are long and constantly that way - which means that heavy
>vehicles can merge without causing breaking, lane switching and
>accidents.

Actually, after extensive driving in various places in the US and Canada,
I've come to the opposite conclusion.  Merge lanes in California
are almost always *very* short.  Most times in Ontario they are
quite long, except where the road has been widened well beyond the
original design alotment, something's been rearranged, or you're
doing the 270 turn from the overpass to the underpass in a
cloverleaf, and you have people trying to change lanes from your
left to your right while you're trying to go left.

However, in California they compensate - people *will* let you in,
and people don't hesitate on ramps.

On the other hand, one of the stupidest things I ever saw was
that highway interchange in Buffalo that has a stop sign at
just where the crossover lane meets the other highway.  Ie:
you're bombing along on a 55Mph highway, and take the nice long
well banked ramp at a good speed, and start to accelerate around
the curve to the other highway.  Whammo, almost invisible stop sign,
burn rubber to stop.  Stupid.

The 417 is a good example where they didn't have enough horizontal
space for long merge lanes.  Actually, a good example of where they
screwed up bigtime.

>Also the access to the Turnpike/Thruway is controlled
>by entrance and exit only on the right without the risk of "this
>lane ends".

This is true.  It's quite nasty when you're trying to stay on the
collectors of the 401, and you're continually having to jink right
and left to avoid the "left lane must exit" and "right lane must
exit" signs.  Which leads to people hanging out in the middle lanes.
-- 
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Newsgroups: ont.general
From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: ont.bikes
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Distribution: ont
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 21:54:16 GMT

> Ok, I take it back.  Somebody suggested we create ont.bikes, but I said that
> we just use a Distribution of ont in postings in rec.bicycles.  Well, my
> posting appeared in California, so I guess the Distribution isn't working.

It works in the sense that the article is distributed to all sites that
either (a) are configured to accept "Distribution: ont", as sites in
Ontario should, or (b) are configured to accept all distributions or
all except a specific list of exclusions.

Whether for good or bad (and ont.general isn't the place to discuss which),
sites of type b are now quite common in North America.  You may take the
point of view that excess distribution of your article beyond the area
you specified is simply a bonus, and go ahead and use "ont" anyway.

I have no comment for or against ont.bicycles, if so named.
-- 
Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto		"Tools, not solutions. :-)"
utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com				    -- Henry Spencer

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From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
Subject: Re: sdebar re passing or right (was sidebar re 401 (: -))
Date: 13 Aug 92 05:05:59 GMT
Followup-To: ont.general
Distribution: can
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Aug12.032748.18690@sq.sq.com> rph@sq.sq.com (Pontus Hedman (VE3RPH)) writes:
>	If you get passed on the right, YOU are doing something wrong.
>	It shouldn't have been been possible. You're in the wrong lane.
>	Move right.

Nothing's impossible to the assholes that treat rush hour traffic as
a slalom course.  They're easy to spot.  Usually driving Camaros
or Trans-ams.
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From: stetner@bcarh1b6.BNR.CA (Douglas Stetner)
Subject: Re: Refusing to yield right of away out of moral indignation
Reply-To: stetner@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:49:45 GMT


In article <1992Aug20.082708.28727@spxtech.qc.ca>, steven@spxtech.qc.ca
(Steve Potter) writes:
|> From article <1992Aug19.165223.3653@bnr.ca>, by stetner@bcarh1b6.BNR.CA
|> Douglas Stetner writes:
|> 
|> > 
|> > In article <1992Aug18.133218.26642@spxtech.qc.ca>, steven@spxtech.qc.ca
|> > (Steve Potter) writes:
|> > |> 
|> > |>   Rather than risk having my son fall down those stairs I yelled "OK,
|> > |>   I'M ON MY WAY!" over the phone; grabbed my keys; did not stop
to explain
|> > To me it sounds like you risked the lives of MANY people out on the roads
|> > to rush home to prevent an accident that may or may not have happened, and
|> > may or may not have been life threatening.
|> > 
|> > Not very smart in my OPINION.
|> > 
|> 
|> 
|>   You may or may not be right.
|> 
|>   What would you do?

I would  have told my wife to break a window  and go  inside  if I was
worried about it that much.  A window will cost 50 bucks to replace.
|> 
|> 
|>   p.s. Emergency vehicles risk the lives of MANY people out on the roads
|>        when they are rushing to a place where they may or may not be
|> -- 
|>   ///==================================================================\\\
|>   ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
|>   ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
|>   |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||

But, the emergency  vehicles  drivers should have extra  training, and
should be responding to a 'screened' (ie real emergency) call.

Doug

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Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: alanw@bnr.ca (Alan Williams)
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Reply-To: alanw@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa ON Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:19:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.012013.2494@dgbt.doc.ca>, ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec) writes:

|> The problem in not where they learned to drive, but rather that laws
|> are not enforced in Ottawa as rigorously as, e.g. in Toronto. So
|> drivers get sloppy.  My first week in Ottawa after many many years of
|> driving in Toronto, I came close to having several crashes.  I had to
|> learn, for example, that in Ottawa, the onset of a green light does
|> not mean "go", it means, count to 10 to give time for the drivers in
|> the orthogonal road to finish going through the (now) red light. And
|> yellow, going through which in Toronto yields an instant large fine
|> (there are cops in every block), means, in Ottawa, accelerate rapidly
|> so that the 60 cars behind you can get through while the drivers in
|> the crossing road wait, counting to 10.
|> -- 

I also learned to drive in the Toronto area, and now live with Ottawa's
awful drivers.  Many people who live in Ottawa find it unbelievable that
I would prefer to drive in Toronto than Ottawa, but Toronto drivers,
bus drivers, and pedestrians are all safer than they are here.  I find
that my own standards of driving have declined, so that I don't do anything
that surprises the average Ottawa driver.  After all, I don't want to
get rear-ended stopping for a yellow light :-)

Some other rules from the unofficial driver's guide to Ottawa :-)

-- OC Transpo (local transit) drivers run red lights, and do 80 km/hr in
   40 km/hr zones.  They have the unofficial right of way, especially
   the articulated buses.  The exception is a bus that gets caught
   at a bus stop, which is not let back in to traffic.
-- Pedestrians will step out in front of you, ignoring any traffic light.  A
   sure way to spot a tourist is if they stop at a red light.
-- A typical merge on to the Queensway means accelerate to 120 km/hr on
   the ramp, immediately switch 2 lanes to the left, and then slow down
   to 90 km/hr.  Drivers who want to go faster immediately switch 3 lanes
   to the left, and then tailgate in the left lane at 130 km/hr.  Exiting
   is done in the same manner:  switch 2/3 lanes right at the last second.
   The right lane is unused.  So are acceleration lanes.
-- Turn signals are used to claim the right of way.  I cannot believe how
   many times I've been cut off by someone who puts the turn signal on,
   and changes lanes in front of me leaving 5 cm to spare.  Normal lane
   changes are unsignalled.
-- It's okay to jaywalk right in front of the police.
-- Driving over 100 km/hr through the 416/417 construction zone is expected
   although the limit is 70 km/hr.  After all, where else can you test
   your car's handling on lanes that zig-zag suddenly?

As far as I can tell, the only traffic enforcement in Ottawa is the RCMP
giving out speeding tickets on the Ottawa River Parkway.


-- 
Alan Williams        |  Bell-Northern Research Ltd.   |  Personal opinions only
alanw@bnr.ca         |  Ottawa, Ont. CANADA  K1Y 4H7  |
From: stockbri@king.dist7040.rotary.org (Allen Stockbridge)
Newsgroups: ont.general,usa.general
Subject: sites
Keywords: help
Date: 15 Aug 92 15:19:14 GMT
Reply-To: king!stockbri@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Allen Stockbridge)
Distribution: ont,usa
Organization: Kingston Rotary System, Kingston, ON (613) 546-3078


I am a Rotarian located in Baltimore Maryland, I was
wondering if there are any sites that I could call
locally to send mail to the Rotarian BBS in Kingston
Ontario,Canada. If so I would appreciate some E-Mail
for the possibilty of signing on to your site.


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Kingston Rotary System BBS - 613/546-3078 [9600 v.32/.42bis]
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Newsgroups: ont.general,ont.forsale
From: garry@dgp.toronto.edu (Garry Beirne)
Subject: ROOMMATE WANTED
Keywords: apartment,house,share
Distribution: ont
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:39:03 GMT



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From: geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh)
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:57:02 EDT
Organization: Izot's Swamp

rstory@eci386.uucp (Robert Story) writes:

> BTW, in the US multi-lane, limited access highways are called
> freeways, in Britain motorways, in France Autoroutes, in Germany
> Autobahns ... what do Canadians call 'em?

   Hell.

Geoffrey Welsh, 7 Strath Humber Court, Islington, Ontario, M9A 4C8 Canada
geoff@zswamp.uucp, [xenitec.on.ca|m2xenix.psg.com]!zswamp!geoff (416)258-8467
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