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Subject: Re: TANGENT:  Interpretation
From: bproden@ualr.edu
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:44:59 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

In article <1992Sep11.014717.17140@newshost.unh.edu>, ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
> 
> "Their" was *not* used in the original documents.  You don't even *know*
> what the original documents say, because they don't exist.  A previous

If he can't know what the original documents say, then neither can you, so
you can't authoritatively say that "their" was not used.

>>The problem here is not "removing 'without a cause'" as you have 
>>said, but in adding without a cause in order to soften the original
>>statement in order to justify our anger at others.
> 
> That's a possibility.  But there isn't anything saying that isn't what God
> meant.

If God meant that, why didn't he just SAY it?    Unless the context indicates
otherwise, we are to take it literally.  The discussion of Christ's anger
being judged and vindicated holds.  Judge does not always mean condemn.

> 
>>My suggestion:  Learn about textual criticism.  Read commentaries.
>>Become a scholar.
> 
> If I didn't know by now, I would know after reading this.  I couldn't care
> less what a scholar said to me about the Word of God.  I want the Word of
> God to tell me about the Word of God.  There are scholars that are
> evolutionists; there are scholars that are atheists.  There are all kinds of
> scholars.  What the heck makes you think becoming a scholar will open my
> eyes to the truth?  I don't find that in the Bible.  In fact, I find that
> true wisdom is an understanding of the Scriptures.  I find that understanding
> is the fear of God.  I find that "the love of Christ surpasses knowledge"
> (paraphrased, possibly).
> 
> Hard to take, isn't it?  Hard to accept that you, as a scholar, don't have
> intellectual dominion over the rest of us.
> 
> Wisdom to man is FOOLISHNESS to God.  And the Word of God is GOD'S wisdom.
> So don't even talk to me about becoming a so-called "scholar."
> 

Are you implying that God puts a premium on ignorance?  The God I serve
doesn't.  Why else would He make several young people from my church who 
follow Him valedictorians, summa cum laude graduates, SCHOLARship recipients,
and appointees to West Point (FOUR in the past 8 years!) ?????

> 
>>minds that think, and provided these source documents for a reason --
>>so that we can insure the accuracy of the word of God.
> 
> "...so that *WE* can..."  ?????
> 

What's your point with this remark?!?

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From: burtp@aix.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: Intermosh Vol. 3 / THRASH?!
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 18:12:17 GMT

In article <10631@scott.ed.ac.uk> kowtko@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Jacqueline Kowtko) writes:
>
>I am somewhat surprised to hear of people who actually listen to
>`thrash' music.  (Yes, true!)  Especially what seems like a
>substantial Christian Music audience.  Seriously, what is its appeal?
>Do you need to be in some sort of aggressive/wild mood to listen?
>Is anyone in the industry (performer or fan) over age 25?
>
>The only time I ever heard thrash was when listening to a sample
>of One Bad Pig in a bookshop.  (It was in the pop section...)  It had
>never previously occurred to me that such music exists in recorded
>form, for listening, eh pleasure(?).
>
>Please inform me on the subject.
>
>Thanks,
>A pop and soft/med. rock fan
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Not only does this sort of music have quite a following of "Jesus
freaks", but Christian's that enjoy creating this form of music have
had quite an impact on the "alternative/metal/punk" subculture.  This
music is quite appealing to a lot of people because of the way that it
conveys the power and reality of our world and Jesus's relationship to
that world.  They can do this in a way that Sandi Patti never can.

This brings me to a gripe that I have with the contemporary Christian
music industry.  Many artists have potential to impact the world we
live in if they would just stop pounding the existing market and reach
out to the people that realy need to hear their message.  (all the
wrong people are probably going to read this so I will continue my
gripe in another posting)

give meta/punk/alternative music a chance; try something dangerous!

peace,

phil burt

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	they pour rain upon the earth.
Whether a tree falls to the south or to the north,
	in the place where it falls, there will it lie."

Ecclesiastes 11:3

(profound  -  isn't it!)
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: kemery@nmsu.edu (Kendal Emery)
Subject: Rambos
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:09:58 GMT


For all questioning the Rambo's......

Buck and Dottie Rambo,  the Parents
Reba Rambo, Daughter (Yes, the famous country singer)

Dottie wrote most of the songs,  Hits included "Build my Mansion
Next door to Jesus"  "Behold the Lamb" and I think "We shall Behold
Him" but I can't remember right now.

As for getting one of the records,  it is probably out of print
by now,  so try pawnshops,  used record stores,  etc..

Hope that helps.

Kendal
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From: wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Tangent:  Song of Solomon
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:19:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Data General Corp. SID, Atlanta, GA

In article <1992Sep2.154313.11675@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug31.212922.21868@rambo.atlanta.dg.com> wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:
|>  
|> >    The most common interpretation of the SONG OF SOLOMON is that it explains
|> >     the love between Christ and the church (and vice-versa) in the
|> >     analogy of the love between man and wife.
|> >    The New Testament calls the church "the bride of Christ".
|> >     Just as many of David's Psalms are both poetic and prophetic,
|> >     so is the Song of Solomon.
|> 
|> I agree that the Song of Solomon is often interpreted as an analogy for the 
|> love of Christ and the Church.  It's interesting to note, though, that
|> this interpretation was first proposed by Origen, a fourth century
|> theologian.  In other words, twelve hundred years went by after the 
|> boook had been written, and 300+ years went by in the history of the
|> church, before somebody figured out what the book was supposedly all
|> about.  
|> 
|> Origen was kind of a strange guy (he made himself a eunuch, for example,
|> so he wouldn't be tempted by those evil, lascivious fourth century
|> babes), and had a hard time dealing with down-and-dirty fleshy

   Why do you speak like this?

|> stuff like sexual intercourse and body odor.  So it's not too
|> surprising that he would attempt to "spiritualize" the Song of 
|> Solomon.  It couldn't *really* be about physical love, could it?
|> It must be an allegory of Christ and the Church.
|> 
|> Well, I have no problems if people want to read the book that way.
|> I just think it should be noted that Jews have spent the last three 
|> thousand years and the Christian church spent the first three hundred 
|> years of its existence reading the book as an erotic love poem.  I
|> *like* the fact that a poem about physical love found its way into
|> Scriptures, and I very much appreciate the sanctity and esteem that
|> God seems to hold for that kind of love.  You can read it as an
|> allegory if you want to.  But I like the down-and-dirty parts just
|> fine, and I like the fact that God considers them holy.
|>

   Holy in the context of marriage - Not "down-and-dirty".
  
|> Andy Whitman
|> AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
|> att!cblpn!ajw  or
|> ajw@cblpn.att.com

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From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Re: Santana...Christian????
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:13:27 GMT

In article <JCHO.92Sep7124056@dante.nmsu.EDU> jcho@nmsu.EDU (CHO) writes:
>
>I was very impressed to run into a song by Santana recently...called
>"Somewhere In Heaven".... Blatantly Christian lyrics...anyone know 
>anything about this... If you hear the song you will know what I am
>talking about...  I was just curious, because Santana has generally been
>a pretty mellow group in the past...but certainly not Christian and
>I had no known recollection of them even using heavy Biblical contations
>in their songs... Anyone want to clarify?

Carlos Santana is a follower of eastern mystic Sri Chinmoy.  He's
written a number of songs with spiritual titles - "Somewhere in 
Heaven," "Love, Devotion, Surrender," "Let Us Go Into the House of
the Lord" - but his spirituality is definitely derived from
Hinduism, not Christianity.  

>						JCHO@nmsu.edu

Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
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From: pearsodc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (D)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Humorously Diverse Tastes
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:03:27 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


As long as we're rattling off favorites...

King's X
Chagall Guevara
Adam Again
White Heart (playing at Taylor U TONIGHT!  coolness!)
One Bad Pig
Phil Keaggy
Geoff Moore
Michael W. Smith (new album has too few guitars...$.02)
Charlie Peacock
Jet Circus
Mad At The World
Arrested Development
Idle Cure
Mastedon
Magdallan
Acapella

and many more too numerous to mention!  8-)

later...

clueless chuck
PearsoDC@NeXTWork.Rose-Hulman.Edu
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From: chaplin@keinstr.uucp (Roger Chaplin)
Subject: Re: sarcasm...encouraging..music!
Organization: Keithley Instruments, Cleveland, Ohio
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:00:24 GMT

In article <Bu0zyC.FA7@vcd.hp.com> robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor) writes:
>                                                Jesus wasn't always
>in a syrupy "building up" mode (He wasn't exactly charitable to the
>moneychangers He threw out of the temple), but the things He did He
>did for the purpose of "the ultimate build-up".  If we keep that in
>mind, I think we'll be OK.

Having intentions of good toward the someone does not guarantee that
the someone will feel edified after you get done speaking to him.

One of the basics of good communication is `know your audience'.  You
must express yourself in the way best suited to your audience.

A number of articles in this news.group provide evidence that some
folks just don't appreciate sarcasm, and that other folks feel they are
the most expressive when they are using sarcasm.  The latter may *feel*
like they are really getting their point across, when in reality the
former are entirely missing the point because the sarcasm drowned it
out.

Ideally, those who don't appreciate sarcasm would try to ignore it when
they see it and instead try to understand the speaker's point of view.
Likewise, those who enjoy sarcasm and use it well would not feel obligated
to `educate' them.

-- 
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From: mrayle@eng.clemson.edu (michael rayle)
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Is sarcasm appropriate for Ch
Reply-To: mrayle@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:41:12 GMT


Okay, I have finally become disgusted with this idle banter about sarcasm.
I've spent the last few days scanning through the multiple numbers of these
appends.  First - in reply to the referenced append - the Bible says that
"All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" Romans 3.  If that
isn't good enough for your argument that everything is inherently evil, do
a little research.  Have you been in contact with a small child recently?
If you have, then you will know that NOBODY has to teach this child to be
materialistic (posessive of toys) and a liar (wait 'til it gets in trouble).
These are just a few examples off the top of my head from my own experience.
If you haven't been in contact with a small child lately, ask someone who has...
 
PLEASE stop this line of discussion.  It has nothing to do with christian music!
If you feel there is more to say, take it off-line, start a new forum, or move it
to a different (read: more appropriate) one.
 
In Christ's love,
.Mike..

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: plemmons@mth.msu.edu (Steve Plemmons)
Subject: KingsX/Galactic Cowboys fans attention
Originator: plemmons@plemmons.mth.msu.edu
Organization: Department of Mathematics, Michigan State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 15:19:54 GMT

This summer I picked up a copy of The Awful Truth.  This cd features
Monte the bass player and the drummer (can't remember his name) from the
Cowboys.  This is a really good cd!  If you like King's X and G.C. and
think that there is just not enough stuff like this to listen to, stop
by your local used cd shop and try to find this one.

On another note, does anybody know anymore about why King's X is not
with Sam Taylor anymore?  

And on yet another, does anybody know anymore about Atomic Opera?  They
were supposed to be the next Sam Taylor project.  If anybody has any
info on Atomic Opera or a demo or anything from them please let me know.
I would like to get anything from these guys to take a listen too.

See Ya,

Steve


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From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: Sandy Patti
Keywords: sandy patti
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:25:29 GMT

In <1992Sep15.203044.15412@engage.pko.dec.com> eje@irenaeus.mlo.dec.com (Eric James Ewanco) writes:


>Ah, I knew it had to be in here.

>This month's Christianity Today: p. 63, People and Events, "DIVORCING: Gospel
>singer Sandy Patti, from her husband and former manager, John Helvering,
>citing an "irretrievable breakdown" of their 13-year marriage.

What's the cover date/story of that issue? I take it you mean the
BRAND NEW one?

Nice to see the covered it, brief as it is.

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From: gclapp@javelin.sim.es.com (Glenn Clapp)
Subject: WANTED: Former LDS, now Born Again Christian for Thesis Project
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:25:52 GMT


I am posting this request for:

Laura Marwick
Department of Sociology
Brigham Young University
800 SWKT
Provo, UT 84602
(801) 378-3392

Laura is doing her graduate research on disaffiliation from Mormonism 
and conversion to Evangelical Christianity.  If you would like to 
participate in this research and tell your story of how you were Born 
Again, please contact Laura at the address or phone number above.  
You do not have to give your name if you do not wish to.


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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink)
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Is sarcasm appropriate for Christians?
Organization: Turkey Hall
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 20:12:50 GMT

> Yes, this is a serious question, and I hold no position either way. I'm
> curious what others think. I recently read someone's post about mr. 
> jason steiner being one who uses sarcasm in his discussions. I
> get the impression that the person who was commenting did not like
> the use of sarcasm.
> 
> My initial feeling is that sometimes sarcasm is appropriate, especially
> if directed towards ideas rather than people. But I'm at a loss to
> figure out when it IS appropriate.

It says in the Bible that nothing is inherently evil.  And I believe I'd
think sarcasm isn't all bad even if it didn't say that.  As to when its use
is okay and when it's not, I'd say it's a matter of taste.  You have it
pretty well defined.  When directed at an idea, I don't see any problem.
When directed at a person, unless in friendly jest, there usually IS a
problem.  Be tasteful, is what I would think.  If its purpose is not to
offend (and it isn't something that obviously will) I don't see any
problems whatsoever.


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From: hilliard@en.ecn.purdue.edu (William K Hilliard)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christian F.M. Radio Broadcasting
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:57:16 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

WXIR (98.3 I think) in Indianapolis IN is a pretty good Christian station...

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From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Keith Rice)
Subject: Re: Amy Grant's "Ask Me"
Organization: University of North Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 06:42:41 GMT

In <1992Sep7.054946.24584@newshost.unh.edu> ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:

>First, what do people think about the song, "Ask Me."  That's the one that
>was written for a friend of hers who had apparently been the unfortunate
>victim of sexual assault.  Personally, I think she is quite brave for attacking
>such a heavy subject.  I also think the idea was executed so brilliantly it
>was both tasteful and, I would think (though I don't know this), spiritually
>uplifting/consoling for other previous victims of sexual assault.  In my
>opinion, it was the best song on the album.  But I may not be the only one
>to hold that view, and I'm interested in hearing whether the majority of
>people out there agree or disagree.

I think that "Ask Me" is great.  The fact that things like sexual abuse/incest
are rarely dealt with within the Christian community is sad.  When I first
heard the song I thought to myself that it was about time that the issue was
addressed on a widespread basis.

--
Keith
drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu

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From: jerdman@evans.den.mmc.com (ERDMAN)
Subject: Re: Christian F.M. Radio Broadcasting
Organization: MMAG
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:29:25 GMT

In article <jeffries.716532953@du248-08.cc.iastate.edu>, jeffries@iastate.edu (Anthony G Jeffries) writes:
> 
> In <1992Sep14.221610.651@news.duc.auburn.edu> hendefd@woof.duc.auburn.edu (Frank Henderson) writes:
> 
> >In article 0170@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA, G06C000 <G06C@UNB.CA> () writes:
> >>i am looking for call letters and locations of any stations
> >>throughout the U.S. and Canada.
> >>Thank You ....Phil
> >>
Denver has KWBI FM which is extremely mellow.  I think it is at 90.1 or 91.1.
A new station just started KLZ is AM Stereo and is adult contemp AM Stereo.
The verdict is still out, but first impression gives it a 8.5 of 10.
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