HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chrisf@nms.otca.oz.au (Christopher Fraser)
Newsgroups: aus.culture.ultimo
Subject: Review: the Ramada Grande at Bondi
Keywords: pizza, bigger than extra large with the lot to go, hold the anchovies
Date: 21 Nov 92 04:42:38 GMT

Earlier this week, OTC in their infinite staff training budget decided to send
me on a short object oriented modeling course presented by some american (who
actually had some worthwhile things to say). So with much pain and ignorance I
got up at seven o'clock in the morning and set off, coloured pencils in one
hand, cabcharge in the other, in search of the Ramada Grande hotel at Bondi

Without doubt, the Ramada Grande hotel at Bondi is not part of Greater Ultimo.
It is, to my knowledge, the universes first singularity of bad taste. 
Even the lumpy fish-like statues in the pebblecrete courtyard fountain
were perpetually vomiting. Every conceivable flat surface was decked out in
badly painted balustrades, which appeared to twist themselves into non-euclidean
geometries the longed you stared at them. In a complementary style, frilly
white curtains abounded, as did gold light fittings with baubly hangy plastic
bits (most of which were missing). And floral doilies. I made the mistake of
visiting the toilet on the second day. I'd already prepared myself for the
fact that a hotel like this just can't help itself from overdosing on marble
somewhere, but nothing at all had prepared me for the subtle aroma of
twenty thousand lemons pleasantly rotting somewhere in the air conditioning
system. Any moment I expect to turn around and find a little man playing piano
accordion in the corner.

The food however, was exceptionally good. Morning tea was endless trays of
delectable pastries and freshly baked blue berry muffins. Lunch on the
first day was a smorgasbord of quiches, salads and perfectly ripe cheeses and
fruit (that night I got back to OTC and found that one of the technicians had
cooked the entire floor a traditional greek dinner ... I was so full I could
really only nibble on vine leaves and scoff the odd fetta-cheese pastry thing).
The second day was superbly cooked brim. Anyway, after two days of complete food
indulgence I could hardly face going home and cooking for myself, so I stopped
off for take away on elizabeth street at a place which I'd chosen rather
arbitrarily (it was called something like "Thai House" and was basicly a hole
in a wall which would have otherwise been covered over with bill posters).
I had some sort of mixed vegetable and bean curd stir fry with rice and roti,
which, in addition to being extremely nice was the ridiculous price of six
dollars!. The whole menu is exceptionally cheap, most mains are less than six
dollars. They had a table, but I don't think you could seriously eat at it.

Cheers,
--
Christopher Fraser      "First time surrealists are often confused by the
chrisf@nms.otca.oz.au    similarities between fish and telephones"
From: chrisf@nms.otca.oz.au (Christopher Fraser)
Newsgroups: aus.culture.ultimo
Subject: Re: Cheap restaurants
Date: 21 Nov 92 04:19:49 GMT

brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis) writes:
>(Dave Horsfall) writes:
>
> >I didn't think it was my place to point out that a.c.ultimo
> >wasn't about Ultimo...  Anyway, Asquith Rugby League Club (home of the
> >$1 two-course lunch) is a bit far.
>
>Greater Ultimo includes most of Australia (what gets left out is 
>still undecided) and parts of several overseas cities. Lots
>of Paris, Berlin, certainly Rome and Naples, New York and of
>course South Central LA.

Well, I'll start the bidding.

The UTS cafateria is *not* part of Greater Ultimo. The same goes for Darling
Harbour. Bits of Oxford Street are included in Greater Ultimo, especially
the bits with Fish Records and the Ariel bookshop. The George Street cinemas
are a part of Greater Ultimo, but only on tuesday nights. Recent annexations
to the extent of Greater Ultimo include: El Bahsa Cafe on King Street, A very
pleasant italian restaurant on Crown Street and the AFI cinema in padington.

Cheers,
--
Christopher Fraser      "First time surrealists are often confused by the
chrisf@nms.otca.oz.au    similarities between fish and telephones"
Newsgroups: aus.culture.ultimo
From: leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy)
Subject: Review: Waiting for Godot
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:51:49 GMT


The Voices Theatre Group are doing an excellent production
of "Waiting for Godot" in Dickson St, Newtown [consult your SMH for
details: it's showing Fri/Sat and, I think, a Sun matinee. $13/$9]

It's well-staged, extremely well-acted (they're not a professional group,
but you wouldn't be able to tell that from this production); this 
is everything amateur theatre should be but very rarely is. 

And the play is excellent -- it makes Six Degrees of Separation look
like...ah...something very bad, which it is. The programme notes describe
Godot as one of the six best plays of the 20th century. I'm assuming
Death of a Salesman is one of the others. Anyone want to make guesses
at the other four? Tom?

--- G M Heinrich  ( leroy@socs.uts.edu.au )
Think, pig.
Newsgroups: aus.culture.ultimo,aus.general
From: brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis)
Subject: Cheap restaurants
Followup-To: aus.culture.ultimo
Reply-To: brent@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:04:28 GMT

(Dave Horsfall) writes:

 >Anyone for aus.restaurants?

aus.culture.ultimo has had LOTS of restaurant discussion. Cheap restaurants,
expensive restaurants, reviews, coffee shops etc.

For those who aren't aware, a.c.u is a newsgroup for the discussion
of inner-city issues. Food has been a major issue!

                     Brent.

---------------------------------------------------------------------
"Midnight Sunday asleep on the floor,          |    Brent Curtis
 Curled up in the corner can't take no more.   |    School of CompSci
 Armies of food invade my sleep,               |    UTS
 Led by Lasagnas ten inches deep.              |    New South Wales
From: chrisf@nms.otca.oz.au (Christopher Fraser)
Newsgroups: aus.culture.ultimo
Subject: Re: Ultimo Woolstore to be bought by UTS
Date: 21 Nov 92 03:59:16 GMT

brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis) writes:
>Which woolstore, though? It apparently has six levels and will eventually
>hold 109 students.
>
>A great use of old inner-city warehouses, if you ask me. When your
>student parties get really riotous you can set fire to your unit and
>watch the whole thing burn on national tv.

Gosh ... that's thought. 109 first year business students in one hit.

A few months ago I visited a friend of mine who was living in the Imperial on
City Road (the student accomodation run by the UTS union).  Asside from the
toxic colour scheme, it was actually quite nice. Most of the university run
student accomodation I've been been in appears to be a long ago renovated 
rabbit warren.

Cheers,
--
Christopher Fraser      "It's not that I can't spell, I just
chrisf@nms.otca.oz.au    have a bit of a lexical stutter "
From: Brad Hughes <brad@uts.edu.au>
Newsgroups: aus.culture.ultimo
Subject: Re: Ultimo Woolstore to be bought by UTS
Date: 17 Nov 1992 04:32:39 GMT
Organization: CCSD, University Of Technology Sydney
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: microshop-03.ccsd.uts.edu.au
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
X-XXMessage-ID: <A72EC0F56F012403@microshop-03.ccsd.uts.edu.au>
X-XXDate: Tue, 17 Nov 92 15:32:05 GMT


>UTS has paid $3.5 million to make an Ultimo woolstore into student
>housing. 

>Page 1 of the UTS staff magazine "Anchor" (number 21) has the details.

>Which woolstore, though? It apparently has six levels and will eventually
>hold 109 students.

I have a suspicion that it is none other than that which provided such
a satisfying display of pyrotechnics a few months ago.

>A great use of old inner-city warehouses, if you ask me. When your
>student parties get really riotous you can set fire to your unit and
>watch the whole thing burn on national tv.

Yup, that's definitely an option.  Although the view from level 27
certainly has something to be said for it as well!  

>                       Brent.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>"Cease to resist, giving my goodbye,       |   Brent Curtis         
> Drive my car into the ocean,              |   School of CompSci
> You'll think I'm dead, but I sail away,   |   UTS
> On a wave of mutilation."                 |   New South Wales      


+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Brad Hughes   Ph: +61 2 330 2465   "I believe I've made some good judgements in
CCSD          Fax: +61 2 330 2475     the past, and I think I've made some good
UTS           Email: brad@uts.edu.au   judgements in the future." - Dan Quayle.
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Newsgroups: aus.culture.ultimo
From: brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis)
Subject: Re: Cheap restaurants
Reply-To: brent@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:48:07 GMT

(Dave Horsfall) writes:

 >I didn't think it was my place to point out that a.c.ultimo
 >wasn't about Ultimo...  Anyway, Asquith Rugby League Club (home of the
 >$1 two-course lunch) is a bit far.

Greater Ultimo includes most of Australia (what gets left out is 
still undecided) and parts of several overseas cities. Lots
of Paris, Berlin, certainly Rome and Naples, New York and of
course South Central LA.

Feel free to comment on Ultimo, Dave. It is more of an infection than
a suburb.

                  Brent.

---------------------------------------------------
"I'm an urban guerrilla,      |   Brent Curtis         
 I make bombs in my cellar,   |   School of CompSci
 I'm a derelict-dweller,      |   UTS
 I'm a potential killer."     |   New South Wales      
Newsgroups: aus.culture.ultimo
From: jimbo@mhs.oz.au (James Davidson)
Subject: Re: Ultimo Woolstore to be bought by UTS
Organization: Message Handling Systems
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 23:27:52 GMT

>
>>UTS has paid $3.5 million to make an Ultimo woolstore into student
>>housing. 
>
>
>>Which woolstore, though? It apparently has six levels and will eventually
>>hold 109 students.
>
>I have a suspicion that it is none other than that which provided such
>a satisfying display of pyrotechnics a few months ago.
>
What other organization would buy a burnt out shell of a building
in todays climate.  It reaks of UTS rationality.

I wouldn't mind a room there though.  Nice view!

Maybe this is where they'll put our swimming pool!


>>                       Brent.
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------
>>"Cease to resist, giving my goodbye,       |   Brent Curtis         
>> Drive my car into the ocean,              |   School of CompSci
>> You'll think I'm dead, but I sail away,   |   UTS
>> On a wave of mutilation."                 |   New South Wales      
>
>
>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>Brad Hughes   Ph: +61 2 330 2465   "I believe I've made some good judgements in
>CCSD          Fax: +61 2 330 2475     the past, and I think I've made some good
>UTS           Email: brad@uts.edu.au   judgements in the future." - Dan Quayle.
>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+


...............................................................................

	==========----------		James Davidson
	=======||=----------		
	==========----------		email:	jimbo@mhs.oz.au
	==========---M-H-S--		phone:	+61 2 550 4448
					fax:	+61 2 519 2551

Message Handling Systems Pty. Limited
1st Floor, 2 King St.
Newtown NSW 2042, Australia
...............................................................................

The views expressed above are purely my own, are based on 'real-life'
experiences at UTS and are as such completely devoid of reality.
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: aus.culture.ultimo
Subject: Re: Cheap restaurants
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:58:43 GMT
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

In article <brent.722225068@coffeeshop>,
    brent@socs.uts.edu.au writes:

| For those who aren't aware, a.c.u is a newsgroup for the discussion
| of inner-city issues. Food has been a major issue!

I know - I didn't think it was my place to point out that a.c.ultimo
wasn't about Ultimo...  Anyway, Asquith Rugby League Club (home of the
$1 two-course lunch) is a bit far.

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
           Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?"
Newsgroups: aus.culture.ultimo
From: brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis)
Subject: Ultimo Woolstore to be bought by UTS
Reply-To: brent@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date: 16 Nov 92 06:16:57 GMT

UTS has paid $3.5 million to make an Ultimo woolstore into student
housing. 

Page 1 of the UTS staff magazine "Anchor" (number 21) has the details.

Which woolstore, though? It apparently has six levels and will eventually
hold 109 students.

A great use of old inner-city warehouses, if you ask me. When your
student parties get really riotous you can set fire to your unit and
watch the whole thing burn on national tv.

                       Brent.

----------------------------------------------------------------
"Cease to resist, giving my goodbye,       |   Brent Curtis         
 Drive my car into the ocean,              |   School of CompSci
 You'll think I'm dead, but I sail away,   |   UTS
 On a wave of mutilation."                 |   New South Wales
From: gjw@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Greg Wickham)
Newsgroups: aus.comms
Subject: Re: Billing Pulses, Tytel Phone
Date: 19 Nov 1992 23:10:40 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Geelong, Australia
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: aragorn.cm.deakin.oz.au

david@cs.uow.edu.au (David E A Wilson) writes:
>Similarly, a call from (02) 456 xxxx [Berowra] to (02) 520 xxxx [Engadine] is
>charged at the Community call rate as the two zones are not adjacent.

When dialing a number that requires an STD code but is in an _adjacent_
zone, is it charged at the community call rate?

    -Greg
Newsgroups: aus.comms
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: Call Waiting --- A better way of informing the user ?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:55:00 GMT

malcolm@nutmeg.cs.ntu.edu.au (Malcolm Caldwell) writes:

>In article <1992Nov16.190408.13313@phillip.edu.au> t9114145@phillip.edu.au writes:

>    If you can solve the problem of modems disconnecting when the lines 
>    emits the "call waiting" tone that would be even better.


>But sometimes the disconnect is an advantage.  If you use a protocol that lets
>you restart transmission, or equivalent then the disconnect when someone
>rings then lets you talk to that person and then restart the transmission
>after.  In fact I use ppp to talk from home to work.  When the phone
>disconnects nothing much happens.  As long as the conversation is finished
>before the FTP timeout (which is a long time) then I can restart the
>connection without a problem.  This works for any telnet connections as well.

Hmmm. And this has no security implications at all?.....

-- 
Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au
From: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee)
Newsgroups: aus.comms
Subject: Can caller-ID be implemented on non-ISDN lines ?
Date: 18 Nov 92 04:27:55 GMT
Reply-To: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au
Distribution: aus

I am just wondering if caller-ID can be implemented on non-ISDN
lines and if so how ?
--
Anthony Lee (Time Lord Doctor) (These are my opinions !)
email: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au	voice:+(61)-7-3651204 FAX:+(61)-7-3651999
SNAIL: Department Computer Science, The University of Queensland, 
       St Lucia, Qld 4072, Australia
From: P.Herlihy@ccsd.uts.EDU.AU (Patrick Herlihy)
Newsgroups: aus.comms
Subject: Legal aspects of Dialup as a Semi-Permanent Circuit
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:42:14 GMT
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: kgispy.ccsd.uts.edu.au
Originator: patrick@kgispy.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU

I was discussing with a remote site the various ways we could give them
IP access to our net.

It was suggested that dialup SLIP would be one of the cheapest ways to go.
Being legal-types, they weren't sure if it was exactly legal to make an
indefinite dialup call over Telecom's PSTN, or even if you could have one
end break and restore the link without human intervention.

We all know that Telecom hates people who do this kind of thing (resulting
in their push for timed local calls), but does anyone know for sure what
the legal situation is?

-- 
Patrick John Herlihy,                            P.Herlihy@ccsd.uts.EDU.AU
Communications Services Branch,		                Ph: +61 2 330 5162
University of Technology, Sydney,                      Fax: +61 2 330 5562
PO Box 123, Broadway, NSW, 2007, Australia.      
Newsgroups: aus.comms
From: gnb@baby.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond)
Subject: Wanted: info on V35 aggregators
Organization: Burdett, Buckeridge & Young, Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:09:09 GMT

I'm looking for pointers, names, phone numbers etc for V35 aggregators
that would allow me to use two 64kbps V35 channels as a single 128kbps
V35 channel.  It should work with arbitrary V35 sources (as opposed to
an aggregating ISDN Microlink TA, for example).

TIA,
--
Gregory Bond <gnb@bby.com.au> Burdett, Buckeridge & Young Ltd, Melbourne 
That's *Mister* Chief Pointyhead to you.
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: aus.comms
Subject: Re: Call Waiting --- A better way of informing the user ?
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:31:14 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

In article <1eackpINN9rb@frey.newcastle.edu.au>,
    scotth@frey.newcastle.edu.au (Scott Howard) writes:

| Just put the code to disable the Call Waiting in the modem dial string in
| your comms program, so that each time originate a call from the modem, it
| disables call waiting.

Except that under AXE (in Australia), you must hang up after sending
the facility code (*43# I think), and dial again.  Then remember to
re-enable it afterwards.  Bloody primitive.

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
           Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?"
Newsgroups: aus.comms
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: Billing Pulses, Tytel Phone
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:19:29 GMT

david@cs.uow.edu.au (David E A Wilson) writes:

>As far as I know home phones do not get billing pulses (but I could be wrong).

They certainly can, it is usually an option which doesn't cost
any more, but you pay a once-off to get it.

At one stage Telecom was renting out home meters so that you
could keep track of the calls made by your kids, etc.


-- 
Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: aus.comms
Subject: Re: Can caller-ID be implemented on non-ISDN lines ?
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:10:03 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

In article <11115@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>,
    anthony@cs.uq.oz.au writes:

| But that's mean having a modem in the phone.  
| Wouldn't that be very expensive ?

No - those decoder chips are dirt cheap.  You don't even need a special
modem chip (like the 7910) - a simple 2211 will do it - the modulation
scheme is straight FSK.

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
           Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?"
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: aus.comms
Subject: Re: Billing Pulses, Tytel Phone
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:53:33 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

In article <1eesanINNlgk@frey.newcastle.edu.au>,
    scotth@frey.newcastle.edu.au (Scott Howard) writes:

| Well, at the moment they do. Very soon telecom is changing many of it
| exchanges so that calles at billed by the second, rather than in multiples
| of 25 cents, so all long distance calls will be, on average, about 12.5c
| cheaper, and your little machine, if it works on the pulses, wont work!

Not to mention some of the PABX's in hotels etc...  I guy I know is
in this trade, and he's not looking forward to re-programming them,
especially when the information is difficult to extract from the
manufacturer...

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
           Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?"
From: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: aus.comms
Subject: Re: Call Waiting --- A better way of informing the user ?
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:09:34 CST
Distribution: aus
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

In article <1992Nov16.190408.13313@phillip.edu.au>, t9114145@phillip.edu.au writes:
> 
> A light is a good idea. If you can solve the problem of modems disconnecting
> when the lines emits the "call waiting" tone that would be even better.
> 

I've just had call waiting installed (I was on an old exchange so it 
necessitated a change of phone number), and in anticipation of getting a 
modem, I've programmed two of the buttons for feature on/feature off.

Just turn it off before using the modem, and on again after use.  Before I had 
the feature installed, I inquired about the effect of that feature on modems,
and a Telecom sales person who has a modem told me that's what he does. I'm
also planning to instruct the main user that the modem should not be used
between say, 6 PM and 8.30 PM when the most calls come in. 

Regards,

John Bennett                                   bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Head, I.T. Services Development                Phone : +61 8 259 5292
Corporate Information Systems                  FAX   : +61 8 259 5537
DEFENCE SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY ORGANISATION    Postal: Bld 73 Labs Area
AUSTRALIA                                              PO Box 1500 Salisbury 
                                                       South Australia  5108
                                                       AUSTRALIA
Newsgroups: aus.comms
From: chris@suite.sw.oz.au (Chris Maltby)
Subject: Re: Billing Pulses, Tytel Phone
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Distribution: aus
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:29:59 GMT

In article <1eesanINNlgk@frey.newcastle.edu.au>,
    scotth@frey.newcastle.edu.au (Scott Howard) writes:

| Well, at the moment they do. Very soon telecom is changing many of it
| exchanges so that calles at billed by the second, rather than in multiples
| of 25 cents, so all long distance calls will be, on average, about 12.5c
| cheaper, and your little machine, if it works on the pulses, wont work!

Actually, no. The pulses aren't always visible on the line - that depends
on your exchange. When they move to charge-by-the-second, they'll go
away entirely. What they now do (and will now use as well) is to keep
full call records, which can be processed to yeild a per-second charge.

Let's face it, the pulse system of billing used for 15 years (or so) by
Telecom was a massive crock. It's 99% of the reason why so many phone
users hate telecom. You get a bill. It says 15479 pulses, please pay
$3714.96. The reason we had to suffer that system at all was because
Telecom management made an explicit decision that customers didn't
want itemised bills enough to cover the cost. I'd like to ask them now
if they think they still made the right decision...

Chris
-- 
Chris Maltby - Softway Pty Ltd		Internet: chris@softway.sw.oz.au

PHONE:	+61-2-698-2322	"I'm waiting for X-Windows to become just that;
FAX:	+61-2-699-9174	 Ex-Windows" - A McGrath.