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From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Sandstrom
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:31:04 GMT
Reply-To: willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis)
Distribution: na
Organization: none

In article <1992Dec14.210428.16679@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> e8l6@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Rocket) writes:
>In article <2B2CF310.18768@news.service.uci.edu> assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site) writes:
>>In article <4f_Yk1O00UhW82fCwi@andrew.cmu.edu> yc25+@andrew.cmu.edu
>>(Young-Soo Che) writes:
>>>Does anybody out there know when Sandstrom is getting back for sure?
>>>He's killing my fantasy hockey-team for not being back.  I'm also
>>
>>The last I heard, Sandstrom will be out for approximately three more
>>weeks :-(
>
>   I heard he was going to return Dec. 20th. Can anyone give us the exact
>   date ???


The Kings are hoping to have Tomas Sandstrom back in the lineup next Tuesday,
December 22 then they host the Vancouver Canucks at the GW Forum.  Sandstrom
will be examined by the doctors on Monday, December 21 and a final determination
on when he can return will be made.

Stay tuned for exciting developments.


Stan
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From: bks2@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse)
Subject: NHL HOCKEY RESULTS FOR 12-15-92
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:05:46 GMT
Keywords: monday night's boxscores



NHL HOCKEY RESULTS FOR 12/15/92.

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                                  STANDINGS
      PATRICK              ADAMS              NORRIS              SMYTHE
 TM    W  L  T  PT   TM    W  L  T  PT   TM    W  L  T  PT   TM    W  L  T  PT
 
 PIT  21  8  3  45   MON  19  9  4  42   CHI  17 11  4  38   LA   20  8  3  43
 WAS  17 13  2  36   BOS  18  9  2  38   MIN  16 11  3  35   CAL  18 10  4  40
 NYR  16 11  3  35   QUE  16 10  6  38   DET  16 16  1  33   VAN  17  9  3  37
 NJ   15 13  1  31   BUF  12 13  6  30   TOR  12 13  4  28   EDM  11 17  4  26
 NYI  11 15  4  26   HAR   8 19  2  18   STL  11 15  4  26   WIN   9 16  3  21
 PHL  10 14  4  24   OTT   3 26  3   9   TB   11 19  2  24   SJ    5 24  1  11


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Calgary Flames     (18-10-4)   1   0   2   -   3
Detroit Red Wings  (16-16-1)   0   0   0   -   0

1st period: CAL, Berube 2 - (Stern, Suter) 14:54

2nd period: NONE

3rd period: CAL, Roberts 19 - (Makarov, Godynyuk) (pp) 3:22
	    CAL, Stern 2 - (Ranheim) (en) 19:22

Powerplay Opportunities-Flames    1 of 9
			Red Wings 0 of 5

Shots on Goal-	Flames      8   5  11  -  24
		Red Wings  10  12  11  -  33

Calgary Flames--Vernon (13-8-2) (33 shots - 33 saves)
Detroit Red Wings--Riendeau (7-2-1) (23 shots - 21 saves)

ATT-19,548

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: The Anaheim Mice and the Miami vICE may be in!
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:48:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.161527.3370@bmers145.bnr.ca> macauley@bmerh760.bnr.ca (John MacAuley) writes:
>
>If any city in North America deserves a franchise it is Hamilton.  They have
>the BEST facility, the best fans, and great financial support.  Having lived
>in Niagara for all my life I can say that a team in Hamilton would not hurt
>Detroit (4hrs. away), Toronto (1 hr of hell driving), or Buffalo (1.5hrs to one
>of the worst facilities in hockey).  Try getting a ticket to a Toronto game!
>It is nearly impossible, not to mention an expensive task.  I definitly don't
>want to drive 4hrs to see a hockey game in Detroit on any regular schedule.
>Heck, if you are going to use the proximity theory for an excuse, why don't
>you mention that Montreal is only 7hrs away.  I drove 9hrs to see game 2 of
>Montreal vs Boston last year.  I definitly want to drive 9hrs for each home
>game in the regular season.
>
>
>I say let's move the Whalers from that GOD forsaken hockey hell to the
>steal capital of Canada!
>
>By the way, I was a confirmed Hamilton season ticket holder when Tampa
>received their team :(
>

Hamilton has to give the NHL a certified cheque for $100 million
dollars...if Hamilton is going to get an expansion team, the money
pretty much is going to have to waved in their faces...(or $50 million
dollars in the case of moving an established team).

That has not yet happened.

If Hamilton wants a team, they should show up next year in Florida
with the money in hand, and then perhaps the NHL will bite.

Disney was welcomed in...Hamilton is going to have to barge down the
door like Edmonton, Winnipeg, and Quebec had to.

Gerald

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From: dan@vicorp.com (Dan Gauthier)
Subject: Re: Bruins lose to Canadiens.!
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:18:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.061835.24252@cc.umontreal.ca> iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) writes:
>The Bruins proved once again last night that they are only
>a three man team up front (oates, kvartalnov, juneau); when
...
>would have had their hands full against the Habs, who I
>consider have a better team:
...
>plus the Habs supporting cast on offense is better than the Bruins:
...
>next big star - NOT) (he will go down as a bust just like
>Ken Hodge and Wes Walz)
 
>who can argue about this: Roy over Moog (yeah, yeah, I know
>would die to have him over Moog in nets. But Harry Sinden
>would probably be too cheap to pay his salary, a problem the
>Canadiens organization doesn't have)
>In my opinion, the Habs have the second best team in the league
>after the Pens. I would rank the B's sixth behind these two teams
>plus the Wings, Rangers and Canucks.

So tell me all you Canadien's fans who flamed me...  Do you really
agree with this guy's inflamatory remarks and forced opinions?
Remember who STARTS these "Childish" threads.  Other than saying this,
it's not worth responding to.

Dan


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From: leventha@andy.bgsu.edu (Laura Leventhal)
Subject: hockey movies
Followup-To: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:33:50 GMT

_________________________________________________________________________
To add to the list of movies...

We rented yet another hockey movie called "Hockey Night."  It is about a
girl hockey player who moves to a place with only a boys team.  You guessed
it, she makes the team and has a romance with the star center...  Rick
Moranis is the coach. There are definitely some funny parts to this movie
(a bit about building latrines - my kids loved it).

_________________________________________________________________________
From: twollnik@aud.alcatel.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: CHL:  news...
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:17:11 GMT
Distribution: rec

Well, once again Wichita losses.  BUT this time is was 10-1 against the 
Fort Worth Fire.  Wow, what a blowout.  Well tonight is the night, The
Oklahoma City Blazers against the Dallas Freeze.

Speaking of the Freeze, in this weeks issue of The Hockey News...

TAYLOR RETURNS WITH A BANG
Jason Taylor is making up for lost time after a season-long suspension from the
East Coast League last year.
  The 25-year-old center scored 12 goals in four games for Dallas of the
Central League and was fifth in scoring with 19 points in 11 games.
  Taylor was with Columbus when he was suspended last Oct. 25 for hitting
Hampton Roads' Harry Mews in the face with his stick and breaking Mews' jaw.
Taylor was granted a temporary restraining order and returned for the final 18
games of the season.
  Taylor also filed a $150,000 lawsuit which hasn't yet gone to court.  He
claimed he wasn't granted an appeal.
(That, as I said is from this weeks Hockey News....)

This is good.  I have been keeping an eye on the Hockey News for ANY
Central Hockey League coverage.  The only mentioning we get in the world
renound Hockey newspaper are league standings and statistics.  Its nice to
know that they "know" that we are here.

That's it for the update.....I look forward to Marc's report on the 
Blazer/Freeze game tonight.

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any other CHL Info, please contact Marc Foster or myself at:
mfoster@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu or

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yeah I know!! but at least it HOCKEY !!!!
From: jvuoren@niksula.hut.fi (Jukka Vuorenmaa)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: IZVESTIJA: Russia II - Sweden
Date: 20 Dec 92 00:10:47
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: conan.cs.hut.fi
In-reply-to: tarkiain@jyu.fi's message of Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:20:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.102058.13519@jyu.fi> tarkiain@jyu.fi (Mikko Tarkiainen) writes:

   Strange, this happened in the SWE-FIN game, too! According to the
   TV-commentator, the Swedes threw in an extra puck when the Finns were
   having a strong offense (this time the referee heard the screaming). I
<text deleted>

Same thing happened again in the RUSSIA II - FIN game tonight. Finns were
having a power play when there were suddenly two pucks in the rink. Finns
were very pissed about it, but no penalties were called. I don't know where
the extra puck came.

   -- 
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    Addr: Dept. of Mathematics, Univ. of Jyvaskyla,        phone: +358-41 602760
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From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: Official Expansion: Anaheim and Miami - No Joke
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 20:10:54 GMT

kcapie@buhub.bradley.edu (Kevin Capie) writes:

>Miami is a bit iffy as well. Why not wait until seeing if TB will be successful
>before going to Flaorida again.  Try a team in Charlotte or go back to Atlanta.

I think Huizenga has a vendetta against Tampa.  First the Marlins, then he
voted against the Giants move, now a hockey team.  He's got Blockbuster's 
millions to piss into the team, and I figure he's looking to split the 
Florida market (and I *don't* think Florida can support two teams...it 
hasn't had the chance to prove it can support one), run the Lightning into 
bankruptcy and make them move, and then voila! Blockbuster Video has the 
exclusive rights to all of Florida baseball and hockey.

Of course, I'm a huge Tampa sports fan (I even root for the Bucs) so I'm
obviously not an objective, unbiased opinion on this.

-- 
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From: jzuena@ferrari.nmc.ed.ray.com (John Zuena)
Subject: Re: The Anaheim Mice and the Miami vICE may be in!
Organization: Equipment Division, Raytheon Company
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 17:01:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.014248.2116@dragon.acadiau.ca> 900073s@dragon.acadiau.ca (Donald Smith) writes:
>golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>
>>Rumours are flying in Toronto that the Disney Anaheim franchise and
>>the Blockbuster Video Miami franchise may be in the NHL as early
>>as next year, and if arrangements cannot be managed for next year
>>the year after that...
>
>
>  What a BLOW to hockey.  If I were from Hamilton, right now I'd be
>rioting in the streets...
>
>  Why give Miami a franchise, when we don't even know how Tampa is going
>to do as a business!!  Why put a Third team in the California Area, when
>the L.A. Arena is constantly half full. (Mind you the tickets are being
>sold, it's just no one is attending...)
>
>  Could it be that the NHL is simply waiting for the inevitable doom of
>Hartford before awarding Hamilton a franchise? (ie, simply move Hartford
>to Hamilton)...
>
>  Is the league hoping for a "big" Tampa-Miami rivaly?  A big San Jose
>Anahime rivaly??  Give me a Break....

Do I have my geography wrong, or is Anaheim pretty close to Inglewood?
When I was in LA, the map had the Forum and the Big A labelled.  With all
the talk about Hamilton not getting a franchise because they were within
100 miles of the Sabers' arena, why no talk about a new team within 100
miles of the Kings' arena?  How far is it from one to the other anyway?

- John Z. 
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From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;)
Subject: Hamilton Neutral-site games (WAS: Re: Anaheim Mice...)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:20:08 GMT

In article <Bz4B9E.Lpt@ecf.toronto.edu> hujic@ecf.toronto.edu (HUJIC DAMIR) writes:

>Fans and financial support is questionable.  NHL games in Hamilton are a
>bust this season.  And I doubt that Hamilton could get 16,000 season
>ticket holders (like they said they had the past expansion time).  Somehow
>putting $50 bucks down for season's tickets, is not the same as putting
>$4000 for a pair, especially in Hamilton.

Hold on just a second here-- the first game was fairly full (can't
remember the combatants).  The second game featured the Sabres, and as
a protest against the blockage of a Hamilton team by Sabres management,
the fans boycotted the game (and rightfully so!).  One can figure that
the first game wasn't sold out due to a similar reason.  If I felt I
had been dicked out of a team, I sure as hell would go to the arena,
but stay outside and protest rather than going inside to watch the
people who stabbed me in the back.

>I do not forsee Hamilton doing any better over a long NHL run, than 
>Winnipeg.  Unless they had a winning team, they would not sell out
>75% of their home games.

But the population of the Hamilton area is larger than that of Winnipeg
(according to someone's figures-- I am totally ignorant of Canadian
population figures).  Winnipeg is a small market team, and have
received help from the city of Winnipeg to help themselves break even.
The Canada Cup showing last time around was great-- maybe they can't do
this every time, but they sure as hell would get better support than
the Lightning, Whalers, or Devils seem to...

-JPC

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From: allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan)
Subject: Re: New Expansion? (WAS: Milwaukee getting NHL team?)
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:19:32 GMT

MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:

>> 
>> >CANADA:
>> >Hamilton
>> 
>> You could put a team anywhere in Canada and they'd do well.

>Yes, but would the Sabres, Red Wings and Maple Leafs like it? Face it, all
>three teams draw fans from Southern Ontario, putting a fourth team in the
>middle doesn't appear to be a smart move at all. Ottawa "deserves" to be in the
>NHL, Hamilton does not - unless we move the Sabres out of Buffalo.
> 
Hamilton deserves an NHL francise as much as Ottawa, Tampa, or Buffalo.
They were basically screwed out of the franchise by the Sabres.

Detroit is a very sports-oriented town (Hockey, football, baseball, etc.).
Not only do the Red Wings sell out every game, Detroit also has successful
Junior teams. (One of the few places that has supported Junior and Pro teams.)
They wouldn't have to worry about a Hamilton NHL team.

Tornoto is closer to Hamilton, but remember, Ontario has 8 million people, and
most of them are concentrated in southern Ontario. A Toronto and
Hamilton francise would have many mid-size cities to draw support
from (Oshawa, Kitchener-Waterloo, Missisagua, London, Guelph, and
Barrie are all near by.) So Toronto wouldn't care too much if they
got a francise. (In fact, Toronto may like it, since it would lead
to a heated rivalry, much like the CFL teams.)

That leaves the Buffalo Sabres as the sole opponent a Hamilton francise.
They were likely the cause of the NHL overlooking Hamilton in the last
expansion, and it seems like many Hamiltonians agree with me (as witnessed
by the low turnout at a Neutral site game in Hamilton with the Sabres).


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From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: why no hamilton?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 21:18:23 GMT

In <1992Dec11.192453.5236@bmerh85.bnr.ca>:

>I don't live hamilton and I don't really care whether they get a franchise
>or not, but I just don't understand why they have\n't got one.

>1) They have an excellent facility. Copps Colesium

>2) Excellent backing Tim Horton donuts. Some pretty deep pockets there.

Apparently not as deep as Disney's or Blockbuster's.

>3) Territorial problems should be any bigger than in the LA deal.
>   i.e. I don't think it would take more thatn 25mil to keep the Leafs
        and the Sabres happy.

Maybe, maybe now.  But remember that Anaheim *still* only has to pay $50M,
and $25M of that will go to McNall.  The Disneyland Ducks should have had to
pay $75M.  Hamilton would likely have to pay $100M.  Maybe Eisner can pay that
from the Disney coffers, but not many other franchises can.  I don't think many
franchises are even *worth* 100 million, except for established teams in
"hockey country" with huge media markets.

>4) Excellent support, like Ottawa they could probably sell out
>   the entire arena as seasons ticket if they wanted to.

One thing that seems to be true about season tickets and sell-outs:  The
relationship between arena capacity and season ticket sales seems to be an
inverse relationship.  With fewer seats available, people feel a need to buy
season tix if they want a shot at seeing many games.  For the Sharks, for
example, with only 11,000 seats, season ticket sales are high because fewer
than 1,000 seats are available generally.  With a large arena, it is much
easier to get a ticket, and people don't feel a need to buy two tickets to
40 games for over $2,000.  I think we'll see the number of Sharks season ticket
holders nosedive next year because a huge arena will increase single-game
ticket availability.

>Any comments on why they've been surpassed. I'd be pretty upset if I
>   was a hamiltonian.

Buffalo.


Tim Irvin
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From: euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall)
Subject: Re: Don Cherry and Sandstrom
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:45:08 GMT

nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>In article <1992Dec11.090543.10672@eua.ericsson.se> euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall) writes:

>>Aren't both Sandstrom and U. Samuelsson [the two swedes referred to]
>>originally from the small town of Fagersta? Sandstrom definitely is,
>>but I'm unsure of Ulfie.

>Samuelsson was, but when I looked up Sandstrom, the Record Book listed him
>as from Jakobstad, Finland!  Is that a misprint, or was he born in Finland and
>moved to Sweden later on?

There's been a quite substantial migration from Finland to Sweden since the
1950s, and I believe it peaked in the late 60s/early 70s. My guess is that
Sandstrom moved with his parents as a small child. Hockeywise, he definitely
is from Fagersta.

Perhaps young Sandstrom got interested in hockey when Fagersta got pro-
moted to the top division for the 1970/71 season?

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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Radical Format Change (flame bait)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:40:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.190422.3465@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>The best means that if you play an opponent a reasonable number of
>matches head-to-head, you'll win more than you lose...where the
>travel and schedule are equal, and after a proper preparation period...
>and the number of matches is sufficient to discount good fortune
>but few enough to lessen the influence of other random factors like
>injuries.

How would having few games help to lessen the influence of injuries?  I
would assume that it would *magnify* the influence of injuries, since you
might not be able to get the player back into the series.

>Through all this, the Stanley Cup winner is always more likely
>to repeat than the regular season champion.

And so?  If we have an 15-game playoffs, with 14 games always in Los Angeles
and 1 game in New York, the Kings would repeat a lot of times, but how does
that make it fair or a good system?

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