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From: stoesser@i31s22.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values in misc.kids
Date: 20 Aug 1992 10:52:55 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: i31s22.ira.uka.de

Several people said that misc.kids is not an appropriate place for this argument.
I think they are wrong.

I did not start this argument, but I can't let the religious nonsense stay
that is spread here. I also try to include something related to misc.kids in
all of my posts.

One reason why I am an atheist is that harm is done to children by theism.
If Christians in Northern Ireland want to bomb each other, Jehovah's Witnesses
don't want blood transfusions, and all theists don't face reality it's their
problem. But they force their children to do the same, and this is the point I
oppose.

If there were people who think that giving LSD to little kids is a good idea
you probably would do the same (oppose it, I mean).

I'm sorry if this bothers you. I hope you have a kill file.
                                                                 Achim
______________________________________________________________________

I'm an anarchist, atheist, pacifist and vegetarian. At least my blood-
group is 0 rh-positive.
From: elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:27:42 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA


Geez Louise... all this talk of God and Jesus and still nobody has told me
how to answer the big theological questions that my kids pose:

1) How does God see through the ceiling? (age3) (current answer: He uses the
    same service that Santa Claus uses)

2) Why does God let so many people starve to death? (age 7) (current answer: 
because hes too busy looking through well-fed peoples ceilings)

eel
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From: L638615@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (STAFFORD, KD)
Subject: FAQs listing?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 20:11:34 GMT

Could the holder of the FAQs listings, please send me a copy?  I'm due in
March and would like to start collecting info before I lose net access by
going on maternity leave (I know, I know....I'm starting a little early!)

Thanks!  :-))

Kelly
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kcj@vulcan.anu.edu.au (Kate Juliff)
Subject: Re: Second Baby Thoughts ...
Organization: Australian National University, Canberra, Australia
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 09:06:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.201108.2202370@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>
>Well, I have to inject my inflamatory 2 cents in here.  I think Patti is right.
>I have found starting at about 3.5, having friends became VERY important to
>Mitchell.  More important than I could have dreamed.  And having 21 children
>show up for HIS birthday party was better than any of the toys he recieved. 
>He felt loved and popular and it did wonders for his self-esteem.  Yes, it was
>some work.  But nothing else we could have done for him would have given his
>newly emerging social self the boost that party did.  

A good rule of thumb is to have the same number of children come
to the party as the age of the child (give or take one). It is
hard to imagine that a three year old would really enjoy 21 people.
Don't mistake over-excitement for enjoyment!

>
>So, before you chuck birthday parties, take a look at the needs of your child.
>It may be that skipping the birthday party equates with skipping lunch on the
>negligence scale.  

Is skipping lunch so bad? Some cultures don't even have lunch! This
is a very anglocentric viewpoint.  Some cultures don't even celebrate
birthdays. Next you'll be saying Xmas dinner is a necessity! 

-- 
Kate Juliff                           | kcj@matilda.vut.edu.au
Victoria University                   |
P.O. BOX 14428,                       |
MELBOURNE MAIL CENTRE, AUSTRALIA 3000 |
From: Julie Melody <Julie_Melody@med.umich.edu>
Subject: negative attitudes about breast-feeding
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 15:53:15 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Medical Center
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

I chose to breastfeed my children because it seemed like a normal, natural
thing to do.  Most women in my family have never even attempted
breastfeeding
and the few who have tried only did it for a short time.  The females in
my
family didn't seem to have any major problems with my choice, but they
were not
a wealth of information either.  Since I didn't have friends with
children when
I had my first,I got most of the information that I needed through books,
my
childbirth instructor and through a mothering support group that my
midwife had
formed.  I did everything I was told, including preparing my nipples for
breastfeeding by scrubbing them lightly with a loofa sponge daily and I
nursed
my 1st baby minutes after he was born.  The whole thing was a most
wonderful
experience and soon I was unable to understand why anyone would want to
do it
any other way.   I did not impose this opinion on anyone else, but did
encourage anyone who expressed interested about nursing by giving them
information that had been shared with me.  I did get some negative
reactions
while nursing (discreetly) in public and I got some intensly negative
reactions
about nursing my children as toddlers.  (They did not wean until about 2
1/2
years-a mutual choice.)  I never had any problems nursing my first two
children
at all.  I never had a cracked nipple or had any discomfort whatsoever. 
A big
problem that I did have happened while nursing my third child.  I
neglected to
do the loofa nipple preparation that I did the first two times.  I
figured that
since I had already done it, that my nipples were "tough enough"!  Within
a day
of my third child's birth, my nipples cracked and I found it to be very
painful
to nurse.  I managed to get it cleared up and continued to nurse, but they
continued to crack periodically until I weaned him (Also about 2 1/2
years).  I
finally understood why some women start nursing and then quit because of
discomfort.  But I also know that this can be prevented with proper
preparation.  Having experienced nursing both ways, I have to say I much
preferred my first two experiences.  But even though it was sometimes
uncomfortable with my third, I still considered it to be a good and
positive
experience.  My message to anyone who wants to nurse is to prepare!!  It
only
takes a few minutes a day and is well worth the effort!!!!!
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:52:12 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU


[lots of posts about children rejecting replacement blankies]

Just to impress you all with how unique Laura is :-), she insisted
on replacing her baby blankets.  We had two identical baby blankets
from her infancy that she used as lovies.  They were equally worn (i.e.
both getting a bit ratty).  Then, we bought two new ones for baby
Brian.  Well, Laura insisted on using Brian's new ones (not those
OLD ones) so she inherited Brian's, and her old ones got pitched (after 
being hidden for several weeks just in case she changed her mind :-).

Brian then got 2 new ones, in a different color.  Sometimes she wants
to borrow one of his, but mostly she's happy with hers.

-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Talk talk TALK talk
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:15:37 GMT
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER

Thanks for the e-mail and post replies on this thread.  I have
learned two things already: it probably is not a phase :-(
And that there are other parents with older (7,8,9,10 yr old kids)
yeah, I knew it, but I still feel sometimes all the misc.kids are in
diapers :-)

The Lord works all things to good :-) and for the next two weeks we
are hosting Takamasa, an exchange student from Japan, he is "english
language challenged" he reads very well, speaks it sort of, but has a
hard time picking out words at conversation speeds.  Anyone who has
studied a foreign language can appreciate what I mean here.  So for
Takamasa, Hunter-the-blatherer is a real blessing, and Hunter is so
pleased to have someone trying to listen to him that he makes every
effort to communicate :-)
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From: sj@silma.com (Suzanne)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: crib-to-bed story - different
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:30:15 GMT
Organization: Silma Inc

When I found out I was pregnant with baby #2, I began
trying all the netters' crib-to-bed tips so that Daniel would
be out of his crib long before the new baby needed it.  I read
all of the posts about avoiding jealousy that way.

Daniel did not want to leave his crib.

Rachel is now almost 6 months old and needs the crib.  So, I
gambled and asked Daniel (3 YO) if he thought it
would be fun to have Rachel in the room with him at night.
He really went for it.  (No doubt envisioning a nightly
party!)  I hesitatingly mentioned that she was too small for
the bed and did he want to try the bed so that Rachel could
try the crib.  (Sweat, sweat...)  He said, "Mom, let's just
*give* Rachel my crib.  I'll use the bed."

Wow.  As always, YMMV, etc., etc.  It is just exactly the opposite
of what I was expecting.

The down side of this is that he now wants to give up potty training
and wants to give Rachel his potty seat and underwear, too!

Sigh.
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Wonderful things they do: 2 months
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:06:04 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

Some wonderful things that Carrie, age two months does:  (time for a
little bragging!)

- sleeps through the night, since the age of six weeks! (at least ten
hours straight!)
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

(Now if only we could get her brother back to doing the same :-(  )

- smiles a HUGE smile at me every time I talk to her
- is endlessly amused by watching her brother race around
- almost never cries, even when her brother accidentally bounces into
her

Happy two month birthday Carrie!

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, two years, and Carrie, two months
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Birth control during breastfeeding?
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:58:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

In article <1992Aug20.171524.12299@cbfsb.cb.att.com> van@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (valerie.thompson) writes:
>
>I think that IUDs are very underrated.  I've had two different kinds

>a nursing baby.  As a sidenote, I got pregnant within 2 WEEKS of having those
>removed (and I WAS using additional birth control!) so I don't think that
>they have any negative effect on fertility (unlike the pill).  I have
>tried every form of birth control on the market (except the new implant) and
>for me, the IUD was the best.

I remember a phamplet in my midwive's office to the effect that IUD's
essentially do have a "bad rep", that they can be a good alternative
in some cases.  They did add one qualification, though--the IUD does
carry risks of complications that can lead to sterility.  They are
rare, of course, but they do happen.  This phamplet at least was 
touting them as a good alternative for women who weren't
planning to have any more children.  

But as far as I understand IUD's, they don't prevent conception, only
implantation.  Maybe I'm wrong on this and someone can set me straight,
but this idea always bothered me.
Sue
From: swk004@muvms3.bitnet (CONNIE LEINEN, SWK004@MARSHALL, HUNTINGTON, WV)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Why is my 4YO son acting this way?
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:28:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: muvms3.114631
Distribution: na
Organization: Marshall University

We called it the Ferocious Fours.  Our son is still an only child
(and I'm following this thoughts on 2nd babies thread closely)
and we experienced the same behavior when Jeremy was 4.

In retrospect, I can remember dreading babysitting for 4-year-olds
when I was doing a lot of babysitting in high school and college.

I think it's likely that there is an element of sibling rivalry
involved.  But I also think the *way* your son is dealing with it
is somewhat a developmental thing.

So, I think you've got a two-part problem.  You've got a son
that may feel he's not getting the attention he's become accustomed
to and you've got a new developmental phase which is affecting how
he deals with that frustration.  

If your experience mimics ours, you'll find that "this too shall 
pass".  We did try to make it very clear to Jeremy that this type
of behavior was not a good way to express displeasure.  We did 
a number of things to enforce that idea which we tried to tailor 
to his personality.  

Really, I don't know how effective our methods were.  The behavior
did end just shortly before his fifth birthday.  

Now we're in the "Sarcastic Sevens" with a touch of "Just Too Cool
To Be Believed" stage.  I could use some tips on how to deal with 
that!  I know, this too shall pass, but really I miss being able
to contribute to the "cute things they say" threads.  How about a
"scathingly sarcastic comments out of small fry" thread?  I've got
a million of 'em.  Or we could combine it with the "bathroom humor"
stage that he's been in well over a year and call it "disgustingly
sarcastic pooh-pooh head type things little kids say"

Connie
From: miller@b-mrda.ca.boeing.com (Mark Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: You *know* you have been initiated as a parent when...
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:58:38 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplanes MR&D

We've been there, also, Michelle. Your "lessons learned" are good advice
for any parent. We've had a feverish two-year-old that just wouldn't stop
crying in public and gotten the can't-you-control-your-kid looks and remarks.
We have learned to ignore them. We expect reasonable behavior from our kids
in public, but we're starting to know when they're simply not capable of
delivering.

BTW, I'd be interested in hearing about how this "grandma" suggests that
one "control" a vomiting child.


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Original article follows:


After reading so many interesting and funny postings about "you know you are
a parent when...", I thought I must add my latest experience!  Monday evening
my 22-month-old daughter and I were returning to San Jose on a flight from
Minneapolis.  The plane was packed---not one available seat, and I was
unfortunately placed in a middle seat between two rather unfriendly,
unhappy, whatever people.  Yasimine acted strangely quiet throughout the
whole trip, and I could feel that she was developing a fever.  When we got
to San Jose and everyone was standing in the aisles waiting to be released
from the plane, she promptly vomited--in a projectile sort of way---all over
me, and the unfriendly people (now they were *really* unfriendly! :-))...
Actually, I counted seven times that she threw up all over me.  It was quite
amazing to see the reactions of people around me...some of my stereotypes
were definitely tested!  For instance, some of the nicest looking old
grandmas practically sneered at me---like "can't you control your kid?!"...
and a foreign man (non-English speaking) was one of the first ones to
try to help.  Suffice it to say, it was a terrible experience.  To make
matters worse, I had no extra clothes along for me to where, so I had to
wear soaked clothes into the terminal...and then my husband got mixed up
about what flight we were to be on, so he was not there to pick us up.

At some point you must just give in and accept the reality of what is
happening....so I did.  I learned a lot from this trip....like bring extra
clothes for the mom! And don't feed milk to a baby with a fever.  And learn
to go with the flow.  What else can you do?  That approach has often worked
best for me ever since Yasimine came into my life! -Michelle
From: uttla@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Laura Utt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: 3 years old and colors
Date: 16 Aug 92 16:54:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Aug16.165459.15719
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

I have a 3 year old neice. We have worked with her on learning her
colors. She doesn't seem to remember them. Is she too young to be
able to remember what color is which. She knows what colors are. 
Whenever we ask her what color something is she always says blue or
red.

-Laura (A concerned Aunt) Utt
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls?
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:17:41 GMT

In article <cathe.714330177@xanadu> cathe@xanadu.ucsb.edu (Cathe Gordon) writes:
>Hello,
>
>My husband and I were watching our 1 year old last night as
>he pushed is little wooden soapbox car around the room
>making car noises up and down the roads (legs, arms, whatever
>was in his way).  I'd never seen him do this and I certainly
>don't make car noises when we play.  My husband stated that
>he thought boys would NATURALLY have this trait and a girl
>wouldn't.  You can imagine the discussion that followed that
>sort of remark.  My question is this...does anyone know
>of a good child development book which discusses the issue of
...
>I'm hoping to prove my husband wrong (he said he'd be happy to admit
>defeat if he had a girl who made car noises).
>
>Cathe Gordon
>cathe@ece.ucsb.edu


It's quite funny that a human could have some NATURAL (i.e. unlearned)
behaviour towards cars. Maybe we've genetically mutated over the last
4 generations.
8-)

Anyway Justine (a girl) makes car noises with her toy cars.

There is no doubt however that boys will be played with using cars
(in general) more often than girls.

To win your bet make sure you play with your daughter using toy cars
and making lots of car noises.

Mike N.
From: dgs@cnmss.tredydev.unisys.com (Dave G. Sokolowsky)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Walkers/Strollers for fast walkers/joggers
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:48:40 GMT
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Tredyffrin

In article <1992Aug12.173736.18981@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jackie8@dasher.UUCP () writes:
>In article <1992Aug7.190906.14520@b11.b11.ingr.com> greg@gregm.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz) writes:
>>I am looking for a device that one can use to push a couple of 50-lb
>>kids around at a fast clip.
>>
>>Does anybody know of such a device that is sold locally or sold thru
>>a mail order house.
>>
>>I would envision such a device would have relatively large wheels such
>>as bicycle or wheelchair - type wheels rather than the 3-5" units used
>>on strollers for more casual walking.
>>
>>... sitting around twiddling my thumbs waiting for a response ...
>
>Twiddle no more! I just so happen to have a catalog right here
>that has the exact thing you're looking for (although the price
>is up to you!!).  As a note, a woman in the apartment complex
>I live in has one of these (I'm not sure if it's the EXACT model
>I'm describing here but it's *very* similar) and she rollerblades
>around with her child in this and the kid looks *very* comfy!
>
>From the United Airlines In-Flight Catalog they provide (it has
>a bunch of different vendors and their items in it):
>
>Three Wheel Wonder
>sturdy lightweight steel frame; easy to push
>wrist strap; thick nylon seat; two-height adjustable handle;
>folds easily/no tools req'd to fit in most trunks;
>canopy and seat belt included;  for children up to 50 lbs.
>$159 (due to the weight of item, an extra $20 shipping
>added to normal $7.95 rate)
>Order #C039 from "The Right Start Catalog" in the United Airlines
>catalog.
>1-800-362-5500
>
>I have no affiliation with this company or any of the companies
>mentioned in the United Airlines Catalog.  I'm simply an innocent
>bystander!!  Apply usual disclaimers, please!
>

The DAMARK catalog (Sept '92) has these strollers (they refer to them as
all-terrain stollers) in single and double.  The single is $119.99 (item
no. B-392-186103) and the double is $179.99 (item no. B-392-219066).  It 
says that shipping/handling is free.  1-800-729-9000

I have no affiliation with DAMARK and have never ordered anything from them - 
just happened to pick up their catalog.

Dave S.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:41:51 EDT
From: <CXF12@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Announcing . . .

Mike & Carol Fischer are thrilled to announce the birth of our second baby:

Mark Joseph Fischer
Born August 3, 1992
8 lbs, 3 oz; 21.5 inches long

Mom & Baby are both healthy; big sister Katie is doing very well (& is a great
help!) despite her initial disappointment that she didn't get a sister.  She
seems quite proud to be a big sister.

We are moving out-of-state tomorrow, so things are quite hectic.  I do expect
to maintain net access on this account for a few months, although I will be
trying to get access via a local account as soon as possible.

Thanks to all who have provided me with guidance & support during the last
several months.  Some of you may recall that I had a miscarriage last Sept.,
and a borderline-low AFP test with this baby at 15-16 weeks.  Thankfully, he
is healthy & we are very happy to have our much awaited second child.

Carol Fischer (mom to Katie -- 3.5 yrs old -- and Mark -- 9 days old)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Subject: Re: Hand-foot-mouth (sympathy)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:35:50 GMT

In article <92232.100009CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I'm just looking for sympathy.  We just went through a bout of
>hand\foot\mouth disease--Coxsackie virus--and hope to NEVER repeat the
>experience.  Douglas has been lucky to avoid ear infections during his soon
>to be completed first year, but this disease makes up for it.  He virtually
>did not eat or drink for 3 days (or sleep).  This is all compounded by his
>erupting molars.

We went through this.  Rachel had two tiny little red bumps on her
butt and two on her hand; her doctor wasn't even sure it was hand/foot
and mouth.  Then, Dave and I got it....all over.  I had it mostly in
my mouth and on the bottoms of my feet.  And everyone said that adults
weren't supposed to get this!  I couldn't even find a reference to in
any of our books.

>But, he's better now and back at daycare (with the 4 other kids who came
>down with the same thing over the weekend).  Now, if mom and dad can
>recover....  Has anyone found an effective way to relieve the discomforts of
>the mouth sores?  I'm ready to buy Tylenol stock after this experience.

Well, I used a Cepecol, a mouthwash, to rinse my mouth.  It numbs the
sores, but I wouldn't have used this on a child.  The other sores
didn't really hurt as long as we didn't walk on our feet.

Kathie
-- 
riggle@adobe.com