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From: plarimer@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (         )
Subject: Re: Getting UP in AM!
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:40:54 GMT

In <1993Jan21.035950.13803@msc.cornell.edu> mcherm@msc.cornell.edu (Michael Chermside) writes:

>In article <Anon-180193130306@crl1.med.yale.edu> Anon@yale.edu (Anonymous) writes:
>>My wife takes about twice as long as I do
>>to get out the door after leaving bed.  This
>>would not be a problem if only SHE would be
>>willing to get out of bed *before* I do!
>>
>>However, she never gets out of bed until
>>I move.  Thus, I have to get up earlier
>>than I would have to get up, just so she
>>will get up in time to MOVE!
>>
>>How can I politely (but emphatically) explain
>>the need for her to either move faster in the
>>AM or get up before I do?
>>
>>anon

 Hey Welcome to the club, I used to have this problem myself.
A couple of things I tried.....
First I started staying in bed untill the last minute that I 
needed to get my self ready in time, this made some progress,
my wife did on occasion start to get up first and earlier as
she learned I wasnt be like a mother waking a child up for school
anymore, it took her acouple of times being late and she started
to get the message.  But this was not the tottal fix, because I was still
proding her out of bed, while I laid next to her, resetting the alarm,
etc.  So I started letting her sleep, and not waking her up at all, 
I would just get up and let the alarm go on and on, my wife could
sleep through a nuclear explosion I'm sure.  It took about a month
but she broke her habit, and now I'm happy to say she gets up on her
own 85% of the time.  Sure not a perfect conversion but we're
constantly making improvements.   No body get me wrong I'm not
knocking my wife, Love her to much for that, this is by far her worst
trait, and the only one that ever botherd me,  well if you discount
that habit of kicking me in the ribs at night...Ouch :)
-Preston

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From: webers@stein.u.washington.edu (Sandra Weber)
Newsgroups: soc.couples
Subject: Re: A Question...
Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:40:18 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu
Keywords: last names

pezzillo@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Amy J. Pezzillo) writes:

>Here's a question that I'd like people's opinions on:  What do you
>think about the practice of a woman taking the man's last name when
>they get married?

  Personally, it would depend on the guy's last name...my current SOs last
name is pretty interesting, and mine's pretty boring in comparison, so I 
wouldn't mind taking his at all.  I would definitely like to know that he 
would be willing to change his last name, too, though. I wouldn't want to take 
a name purely out of sexist tradition, though if I don't mind, it definitely is
the path of least resistance...my ex-SO's last name was Smith...there would 
definitely have been at least one discussion about what name(s?) to take, had 
we decided to get married.

  Actually, the more I think about it, the more the idea of my husband not
being willing to change his name also, when I'm expected to, leaves me cold. 
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From: wolfson@regatta.sps.mot.com (Stephen Wolfson)
Subject: Re: A Question...
Organization: SPS
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:58:55 GMT

One couple I know, she adopted her husband's name for legal purposes
and make things simpler.  She continues to use her maiden name at work
where she is known professionally etc.  She also maintains some credit
in her maiden name after hearing stories of how difficult it might
be to get credit if she was divorced/widowed for any reason.

You have a right to be known by any name as long as its not with
intent to defraud or avoid obligations.
From: webers@stein.u.washington.edu (Sandra Weber)
Newsgroups: soc.couples
Subject: Re: Concerned about relationship
Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:46:04 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

an7616@anon.penet.fi writes:

>I am wondering what people think are the future prospects for a
>relationship like this.  Do you think it can work out in the end?  Are the
>odds with me or against me?   What, if anything, can I/we do to improve our
>chances of remaining together?  I LOVE HER VERY, VERY MUCH AND I WANT US TO
>BE TOGETHER IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.  Fortunately, we are able to communicate
>pretty openly with each other.

Unfortunately, based on what you've said of the situation, I must concur with 
the other replies to this that I've already seen...I think it's remotely 
possible that it MIGHT work out, but I would not count on it.  The only thing 
that will improve your chances are if your SO gets a spine, and realizes that 
she's only going to make it worse by refusing to make a decision.  I've been 
in similar situations before, and the best thing she can do for all parties 
involved is decide, let one of you down as gently as she possibly can, and get
on with her life with the other one. 

>The impending LDR (long-distance relationship) seems bound to bring this to
>a head.  If our separation is to be for an indefinite period, how will this
>affect our relationship?  I have followed the recent discussions of LDRs on
>soc.couples with interest.  I have been struck by the fact that most people
>who've been in an LDR say that in holding their relationship together it
>was important that THERE WAS LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL, i.e., both

  This is DEFINITELY true.  A separation for an indeterminate length of time is
one of the worst things you can possibly do to a relationship.

>Will she go back to him?  Will our relationship fall apart because of her
>indecisiveness with the added strain of an indefinite LDR?  What do people
>think???

  I think you've hit the nail on the head...if your relationship falls apart, 
it will be because of her indecisiveness.  She probably wouldn't want to hear 
it, I know I didn't, but one of the best things my friends told me was that I 
couldn't have my cake and eat it, too.  I had to make a decision, or I was 
going to risk losing both of the guys I cared about.  

  The fact that you're able to talk openly about what's going on helps a lot, I
think.  I do have a feeling that you moving with her, unless she really wants 
you to, would be a bad idea...that's just going to put more pressure on her, 
and put all three of your closer together, which could just make the situation
worse.  
 
  Good Luck!
From: dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly)
Newsgroups: soc.couples
Subject: Re: NAMBLA? NAMBLA?? ...
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:56:34 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA 94065
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <21611@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan18.212936.8183@panix.com> roy@panix.com (Roy Radow) writes:
>>The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA)
>>supports the rights of all people to engage in consensual
>>relations. NAMBLA does not say that all children should
>>have sex with adults. We do, however, oppose laws which
>>destroy loving relationships merely on the basis of the
>>age of the participants.
>>
>
>NAMBLA is a voluntary association of sick fucks who run around like rats in
>heat hoping to poke and stroke prepubescent boys. 

So, how old were *you* when you first started reading porn and
fantasizing about *women* (I'm assuming you're not attracted to men)?
16?  15?

If a 16-year-old is sexually mature enough to be involved with a
woman (and there are plenty of movies that portray this), why 
shouldn't another 16-year-old be allowed to get involved 
with a man?

>While I am fairly liberal, I'm not liberal enough to admit that a fetish for
>undeveloped flesh is anything other than a neurosis.

Surely you know the difference between a 16-year-old boy and a
10-year-old boy.  This extremist spin you're putting on the issue
is a smokescreen.  You create an obviously bad example so that
you can refute the whole issue -- throwing out the baby with
the bathwater.

If you're so outraged by this, why don't you campaign against some
of the state laws that allow men to marry 14-year-old girls?

I suspect your problem has more to do with the same-sex aspect 
than the under-18 aspect.
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From: jtripp@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John L Tripp)
Subject: Re: Suggestions for wedding music
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:17:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.044256.4216@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> zelek@thunder.mcrc
im.mcgill.edu (John S. Zelek) writes:
>I am looking for suggestions of appropriate
>music (songs) for weddings.
>--

I'm really going to date myself, but if I had had a big church wedding,
I would have loved to have "The Sabbath Prayer" and/or "Sunrise/Sunset"
from "Fiddler on the Roof".
From: luden@lehigh.edu (Dean E. Nelson)
Newsgroups: soc.couples
Subject: Re: A Question of Etiquette
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:51:17 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University Computing Center

In article <93021.085627SEK@psuvm.psu.edu> SEK@psuvm.psu.edu (Sonja Kueppers) writes:
>Path: netnews.cc.lehigh.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dsinc!ub!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!sek
>From: SEK@psuvm.psu.edu (Sonja Kueppers)
>Newsgroups: soc.couples
>Subject: Re: A Question of Etiquette
>Message-ID: <93021.085627SEK@psuvm.psu.edu>
>Date: 21 Jan 93 13:56:27 GMT
>References: <1993Jan15.162816.19537@ads.com> <93015.141714SEK@psuvm.psu.edu>
> <93018.171434SEK@psuvm.psu.edu> <1993Jan21.000034.6527@funlwb.enet.dec.com>
>Organization: Penn State University
>Lines: 10

>In article <1993Jan21.000034.6527@funlwb.enet.dec.com>,
>lugsden@flotsm.ozy.dec.com (Keith Lugsden) says:
>>
>>I'm intrigued. I thought Americans dropped the 'u' from all those words. Has
>>it reappeared in wedding invitations?

>Yes, in wedding invitations you're expected to request the "honour" of
>your guests' attendance, and the "favour" of their reply.

Are their people we can pay to worry about these things for us?

Dean Nelson  den0@lehigh.edu
From: amymw@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Amy Wisotsky)
Newsgroups: soc.couples
Subject: Re: A Question...
Keywords: last names
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:08:26 GMT
Organization: Brandeis University

pezzillo@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Amy J. Pezzillo) writes:

>Here's a question that I'd like people's opinions on:  What do you
>think about the practice of a woman taking the man's last name when
>they get married?

>Personally, I think that it's a good idea for a married couple to
>share a last name, both for the sake of convinience and because I
>think it is a clear reminder that they are family to each other.
>*However,* I really object to the idea that it must be the woman who
>gives up her name to take the man's name.  

>Does
>it seem strange or unfair to anyone else that the woman is expected to
>make the change, but never the man? 

[some stuff deleted throughout]

I definitely agree with you that sharing a name is an important
reminder of being family.  IMHO, it is up to the individual couple to
decide what they consider fair.  Whatever the two people agree on is
fine.  Some people want to be traditional, others don't, and some may
choose on the basis of what the actual names are.  Personally, I know
that when my boyfriend and I commit to each other, I will be proud and
happy to take his name as my own.

Just my $0.02

							-Amy-
							 :)
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:10:27 EST
From: Sonja Kueppers <SEK@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.couples
Subject: Re: Two questions (lengthy background)

In article <1993Jan26.010136.14050@bsu-ucs>, 01ksdavis@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rebel
without a pause.) says:
>
>        Oh yeah, did I mention her BAC was .23 after they had
>started pumping her stomach and replacing her blood with plasma?
>
>        Suffice it to say, I really don't have a high opinion
>of her fraternity

I don't think this has anything to do with her fraternity.

I think this has to do with the fact that she doesn't have a mature
relationship with alcohol.

*sigh*

(Incidentally, my opinion of fraternities is not very good, but
it is every person's responsibility to cultivate mature attitudes
about alcohol.  Just because your friends are idiots doesn't mean
you have to be.  I think a lower drinking age would help a lot.)

Regarding being involved in other things, I think it's very important
to be tolerant of your partner's activities, as long as they are
not destructive.  I imagine that there are probably lots of things
she could do in this fraternity that don't involve getting so hammered
that she can't think straight.

-Sonja
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Saying that giving kids condoms encourages them to have sex is like
saying that telling people to wear seat belts encourages them to drive
recklessly.
Xref: sparky soc.couples:4898 soc.singles:37679
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:22:11 EST
From: Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.couples,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Orgasms + Children
 <1993Jan19.030257.24475@samba.oit.unc.edu>
 <1993Jan22.181623.17581@midway.uchicago.edu>
 <1993Jan23.211253.5041@deeptht.armory.com>

Uh, Steve, you sound a *lot* like you're equating ejaculation and
male orgasm.

It ain't neccesarily so.

Graydon
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   qucdn.queensu.ca                   - U. K. LeGuin
From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Newsgroups: soc.couples
Subject: Re: A Question...
Date: 24 Jan 1993 06:26:26 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu
Keywords: last names

thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow) writes:

>In <106120@netnews.upenn.edu> pezzillo@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Amy J. Pezzillo) writes:

>>Here's a question that I'd like people's opinions on:  What do you
>>think about the practice of a woman taking the man's last name when
>>they get married?

The same as I think of a man taking his wife's name:

It's a legal hassle. (All those forms!)

It provides an opportunity for unscrupulous parties to take advantage
of you. (eg, those companies that solicit business by offering to fill
out your forms and pay your $50 fee for changing your name -- when there
is no $50 fee!)

It can mess up your credit history.

It confuses your employer and your co-workers.

It can wreck havoc with your health insurance and life insurance.

You can lose your employment history. (If you've established a name
name for yourself and a good reputation you're liable to lose.)

It makes it much harder (or impossible) for old friends to look you
up.  ("She got married and I don't know what her name is now!")



-- 

                                                --  Michal
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From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle)
Newsgroups: soc.couples,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Orgasms + Children
Date: 24 Jan 93 10:48:39 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <93023.121620SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>Hmm .. to throw in my two denarri, much of my trouble with
>'taking too long' is emotional - it has not always been clear that
>the person I'm with particularly *wants* me to come, at least
>inside that 'but how could anyone *possibly* like me?' part of
>my mind.

I met the problem a few times and found that it happened when I
concentrated too much on analysing what I was doing rather than just
going with the flow.

Relaxing a little bit and concentrating on the sensations seemed to
fix the problem.
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From: agscrib@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur Scribner)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: The dead sea scrolls deception.
Date: 20 Jan 93 23:46:48 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1993Jan14.190535.18850@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <13913@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan12.162930.24627@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
>
>># Baigent and Leigh also wrote HOLY BLOOD, HOLY GRAIL, in which they claim that
>># Jesus wasn't taken up into Heaven, but moved to France, married, and raised a
>># family, and that his descendents are still members of a secret society that
>># controls Europe.
>
>># But I really couldn't say how credible they are.
>
>
>>That secret society has obviously fallen down on the job, or Baigent
>>and Leigh's book wouldn't have been published. :-)
>
>Nonsense!  That's merely what they _want_ you to think.  :-) :-)
>
>Mike
>-- 
>Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"I decline utterly to be impartial
>mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 as between the fire brigade and the fire."
>mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 -- Winston Churchill, July 7, 1926
>mschiffer@aal.itd.umich.edu

Speaking of the Secret Society in Europe, anybody heard of the ILLUMINATI??

Art

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From: ogil@quads.uchicago.edu (Brian W. Ogilvie)
Subject: Re: St. Augustine
Reply-To: ogil@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Morris Fishbein Center for the History of Science and Medicine
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:32:18 GMT

In article <nestabro.727973425@nova> nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:
>Anybody out there know the exact dates for St. Augustine?  E-mail

I imagine, since he came from North Africa, that they were palm dates.
Are there any other kinds?


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From: JBrandt@AAA.Uoregon.EDU (Pegasus)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: Re: Help! I need a list of books...
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:19:48 GMT
Followup-To: soc.history
Organization: The Polyhedron Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: fp1-dialin-3.uoregon.edu

In article <1993Jan27.115637.1@acad2.alaska.edu>, asgds@acad2.alaska.edu
wrote:
> 

Greetings	Geoff Stewart/Charles Toutaurien

Check ther society's publication called the "compleat anachonist" back
issuses can be gotten from the Stock cleark. there are several titlies in
that weries that might intrest you. I did a peice on who to do research
with the emphsis on a bibliography of where do I start books and articles
or where do I go from here type books and articles.  If you or anyone else
is intrested in a copy of the current iteration of this work, or you have
something that might be useful to have listed there please E-Mail me
Pegasus@AAA.Uoregon.EDU.

Pegasus
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From: cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster)
Subject: Re: Have you ever noticed that Mutlu and Argic.....
Followup-To: soc.history
In-reply-to: 's message of Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:16:31 GMT
Organization: pubs
	<1993Jan21.071631.25650@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:41:56 CST

Relgov writes:

   If you actually read his drivel, you'll find that the articles repeat
   themselves.  There are a couple of articles that stick in my mind that will
   reappear every few weeks or so.  Only the introduction changes.

I'm amazed that *anyone* reads Argic/Mutlu/Sera's material!  Even if I didn't
have a kill file (which still leaves his subject lines on the menu) I'd still
skip them.  I lost interest REAL fast.

Chris Brewster
cb@cray.com
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:04:26 EST
From: <NMR103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: INFO REQUEST: Watergate doc FTP sites

If anyone knows of any FTP sites from which I can download
documents concerning the Watergate issue, please email me
the address....
Thanks in advance,
Nicole.
From: knossos@carson.u.washington.edu (Judy Broocks)
Newsgroups: soc.history
Subject: A question about U.S. western expansion
Date: 28 Jan 1993 00:48:34 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

Does anyone know the name of the location or locations in the Western U.S.
where wagon trains would stop for pioneers to write messages on the
surrounding rocks for other travelers? Where is this located? Has any major
archaeological research been done at the site?

Thank you kindly in advance!

Judy B.
Newsgroups: soc.history
From: vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov)
Subject: Re: _Target Hitler_ a book review
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:51:52 GMT

In <2025@spam.ua.oz> jaskew@spam.ua.oz (Joseph Askew) writes:

>In article <1993Jan18.194701.10378@acuson.com> miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman ) writes:
>>vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) writes:

>>>So to sum up my response
>>>to Guderian's claims (as related above) - BOLLOCKS!!!

>>       The time Guderian was referring to was the 1939-1941 Hitler-
>>       Stalin Friendship pact.  Possibly you didn't hear of it?

>I would also like to say that I have heard this story. Also another one.
>Guderian claims he was shown around a Soviet train factory. He says that
>besides trains that factory also built, as a side line, tanks. They made
>22 tanks a month. Guderian calculated how many months production this one
>factory would take to match the *entire* Wehrmacht's supply. It was something
>like thirteen. This was *one* factory which wasn't even a tank factory. He
>claims to have told Hitler this too.

I don't know. Soviet factories were very much organized into single
purpose complex. And consider the amount of re-tooling required to
switch from trains to tanks - it would be simply too inefficient to
produce both in one place.

                                                            Vladimir





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