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From: Eric@desert.wlink.nl (Eric De Jong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Future Amiga chipsets
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:23:02 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Digital Desert Amiga BBS

In article <Bz85s7.DLK@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

>>> more quickly than when funding for R&D at Commodore was far higher.  Again,
>>> what has changed all of a sudden that this is possible?
>>
>>    Maybe CBM used to employ a fool like you, who has since been
>>    replaced with this Lewis chap.
>
>   Call me a fool if you want, but I would not have put IDE into a high-end
>over-$3000 computer like the A4000.

I'm happy CBM was smart enough to release the a4000 with a (whimpy) IDE
controller NOW, rather than having us wait for the SCSI version in March....



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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  OS/2 vs Win NT
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:06:08 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec14.193022.16527@microsoft.com> <71842@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Dec17.075604.10297@usl.edu>

>>P.S. Tell Bill I have some 7-11 coupons I'm not using if he want them.
>
>Could you relate more of this?  I have heard of it, but it is too
>stupid to beleive.

From "Accidental Empires" by Robert X Cringely, Page 93, from the
chapter entitled "Chairman Bill Leads the Happy Workers In Song":

======

Willima H. Gates III stood in the checkout line at an all-night
convenience store near his home in the Laurelhurst sectin of
Seattle.  It was about midnight, and he was holding a carton of
butter pecan ice cream. Theline inched forward, and eventually
it was his tun to pay. He put some money on the counter, along
with the ice cream, and then began to search his pockets.

"I've got a 50-cents-off coupon here somewhere," he said,
givin up on his pants pockets and moving up to search the pock-
ets of his plaid shirt.

The clerk waited, the ice cream melted, the other customers,
standing in line with their root beer Slurpies and six-pakcs of
beer, fumed as Gates searched in vain for the coupon.

"Here," said the next shopper in line, throwing down two
quarters.

Gates took the money.

"Pay me back when you earn your first million", the 7-11
philanthropist called as Gates and his ice cream faded into
the night.

====

Let me just say, anyone who is involved with PCs in any way
shape or form must read this book. Its very good.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: jdutka@wpi.WPI.EDU (John Dutka)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tandy Unveils 16-Million-Color CD-ROM Multimedia system
Date: 21 Dec 1992 03:00:40 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <crystal.724899948@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>>If all you can do is degrade and insult C=, what the hell are you doing
>>here?
>Does this Marc Barrett fellow even *OWN* an Amiga?  If not, why is he here?
>*puzzle*

To make a general annoyance of himself.


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From: jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 16 color icons
Date: 16 Dec 92 07:35:05 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

jepaul@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Darth Jason) writes:

>Can someone point out where I can get some 16 color icons?  Thanks!

IconEdit. :)
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From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:16:14 GMT

In <Bz85s7.DLK@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>   Call me a fool if you want, but I would not have put IDE into a high-end
>over-$3000 computer like the A4000.

Marc, you are a dweeb. You wouldn't have put anything into a high-end
computer because you don't build nor sell any.

Regards,
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:22:15 GMT

>I would guess they didn't spend much money in development of those stupid
>PC-clones anymore. That technic os as old and simple nowadays, just replace
>the main uP y86 on the motherboard wih a x86 {x>y} ;-)

Why don't you pick up a PC magazine, it would be quite a shock.  The PC
world is undergoing quite the transformation.  VESA local bus coupled
with Graphics coprocessing and a bunch of new sound cards.  Perhaps,
though, you are right, maybe CBM isn't innovating, just buying other
people's parts and slapping them together.  It's been YEARS since they
did anything INNOVATIVE.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: robert@GEOBLUE.GCN.uoknor.edu (Robert Lindsay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Wish list for AGA software
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:22:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: constell.BzB9Lw.LIt
Organization: Geosciences Computing Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Originator: usenet@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu

In article <1992Dec10.203125.4908@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham) writes:
>In article <Paula_Lieberman.07gy@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>>Neil Wickham:  "glossy HAM8s showing big breasted females in bikinis" --
>>what's this, you have titty envy or something?  Whattsamatta, you
>>flatchested o something, don't have any boobs of your own to bounce around
>>and get stared at by people you would prefer in some other solar system?!
>
>NO NO NO NO!  Big breasts are simply what sells things in this country.  It
>has to do with our recent rural past where so many of us grew up in isolated
>farm houses where the bond with mother was hard to break and often developed 
>into a repressed sexual attatchment on mother wh finds expression in
>in a longing for big breasts since they are the ultimate mother symbol.
>
>Playboy magazine, for example, is little more than a play on oedipal themes
>to turn misguided libido into profits for alchohol, tobacco, and fashsion
>companies.  Playboy actually communicates sexual taboo by posing it models
>such that they hide their genitalia.  They, at the same time, pose large
>breasted models in poses where they seem to be offering their breasts to
>the playboy.  In fact, playboy models are often seen in nursing positions.
>You might read Dr. Wilson Brian Key's treaties on Playboy and and this
>societies fixation with breasts in "Subliminal Seduction".
>
>                                     NCW
While NCW is a loyal amiga owner and all that, I worry about anybody who get
too deep into Dr. Wilson Brian Key's books. Sure there are undoubtably 
sublimials out there, but if you get too heavy into his stuff you start to see
them EVERYWHERE. That way lies madness.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:17:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.025825.19202@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>In article <1992Dec13.021529.20368@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu
>(Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>>2) Wow, that WB 2.0 looks AWFUL.  Granted, I haven't actually used it, but
>>from the screen shot, it looks SO primitive!  I guess it is the 4 colors only
>>that does it.  Really, it hardly looks any better than the mouse-interface 
>>for MSDOS 5.0's EDIT.COM.  Or QBasic. You get the picture.  Really, you guys
>>may claim Windows and OS/2 looks to flashy/blocky/clumsy, but WB2.0 looks
>>primitive as hell!
>
>Let's be fair: what screen shot are you referring to? Many of the images are
>either software which does not take advantage of 2.0 (1.3 hold-outs),
>aren't style-guide compliant, or are taken from low-resolution displays.
>
>In fact, in the January issue, you'd have a hard time coming up with anything
>that didn't fit into the above categories. Unfortunately, most of us feel
>the same way you do.

And another thing (yeah, really): I cannot BELIEVE some Amigans knock the
OS/2 2.0 WorkPlace Shell after seeing WB2.0.  Good grief.  I would assume that
the Amiga pictures were trying to look as good as possible -of course.

Really, OS/2 2.0's WorkPlace Shell sure seems to blow the hell out of
the WB2.0 in looking slick and professional.  Whew-ee!
_Dan
..

.




-- 
Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re:  OS/2 vs Win NT
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:59:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.172708.2107@nmsu.edu> dleland@dante.nmsu.edu
(LELAND) writes:

>>>>It's interesting to note that Lew Eggebrecht mentioned in his address at
>>>>the WOC in Toronto that the A4000 is both 68060 and RISC-ready. When asked
>>>>what advantages RISC would offer to the Amiga line, he immediately
>>>>stated Windows NT.

>Whoaaa! Now just a second here: I just hear from a dealer in El Paso Texas
>that "Microsoft was going to make Windows NT for the Amiga." At the time I
>just said, "yeah right, sure they are... and Irving Gould has left Commodore
>to me as a Christmas gift..." But now I wonder. I hate to get unfounded wild
>speculation going, but this is the second time I've heard of such a thing. 
>Why would Microsoft do that?

Microsoft would be developing NT with the processor is mind, not the native
platform. In this respect, the end-user still benefits, but not by virtue
of any benevolence on the part of MS. But who's complaining? :).
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:23:05 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <89k2v=f@rpi.edu> danaf@rpi.edu writes:
>
>Another thing is that [I'm gonna get flamed for this...] you PC people REALLY
>don't have a full experience with multitasking yet. If you've ever used an
>Amiga or, even better, a UNIX workstation, you know how many apps you will 
>often have running at once, and how cluttered things can get. Here at RPI,
>the Big Deal (tm) right now is a window manager that allows you to have 
>multiple screens! Gee, can you imagine that? They've reinvented an Amiga, yet
>they still slam it.

How does multitasking relate to 'screens'?

>(BTW: no, you CAN'T "just iconify" everything you're not working with at the
>moment, When I'm doing a Physics project, and the work is done in Maple, with
>an IO window PLUS graph windows, the directions are on the stupid BBN/Slate
>word processor they use, and I have 2 UNIX windows open - one taking print
>instructions, and the other sending mail to the professor complaining that his
>stupid directions are wrong, multiple screens are a BLESSING. I have to refer 
>to ALL of that information at once, and de-/re-iconifying things in droves is
>NOT an option.)

Well, there is a thing called Rooms for Windows that does this, I think.
Also, I have seen a Shareware 'virtual desktop' for Window utility that
effectively give you 'screens'.  That later works under OS/2, too.

>"OK, now, you have to put the File menu here, and it has to have the following
>selections, and THIS gadget can only go here...."
>
>It was horrid. 

And the key to the success on the Mac.

>Yes, there is too much variation in interface style on the Amiga. But there's
>too LITTLE on the other machines. The happy medium will be along, RSN.

Yep - OS/2.  :-)

>When you're reading directions on how to build a cabinet, do they show a lot of
>pictures of the hammer you pound the nails in with? Do you even THINK about
>that hammer, aside from picking it up and banging on the nails? The Amiga GUI
>is that hammer. It's the tool you use to get things done, not an entity unto
>itself. 
>
>Windows and OS/2, on the other hand, are those annoying instructions written 
>in 14 different languages [none of them English] that your VCR comes with,
>which is why the clock STILL flashes *12:00*.
>
>8)

Heh heh. So the Amiga is like a wooden box and OS/2 and Windows are like
high technology?   8) 

>=======Amiuser============Frank R. Dana, Jr.============Doc Ami=======     
--
Dan Stephenson                                                das9674@usl.edu  
"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while
we lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: The A1200 vs. A600
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:24:24 GMT

mike@maths.tcd.ie (Mike Rogers) writes:

>In article <Paula_Lieberman.07f4@amicol.UUCP>, Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) wrote:
>>30,000 computers in two weeks (rate that someone reported A1200s selling in
>>Germany) comes out to 15,000 X 52 per year, ~ 750,000.  That's not really
>>that many..... 

>Of course, they could be classic Apple-notebook/LC figures, and represent
>pent-up demand which could slacken off dramatically.

  There were apparently 50,000 MacPortables (yes the old 15 lb things)
ordered by dealers on the first day of release.  Apple only ever sold
about 200,000 in total.

  I think the 1200 will do a lot better than that though.

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 and that is having no marketing people on a project."  - Larry Tesler.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: will@austin.ibm.com (Will Fiveash)
Subject: which scsi drives work with 2090?
Originator: will@vulcan.austin.ibm.com
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:03:31 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin, Tx.

Which SCSI drives work with the 2090?

-- 
Will Fiveash,  "My opinions above, facts below."
Internet:  will@austin.ibm.com 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: My WB (was e: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and: )
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:11:40 GMT

>	Feel free to have a look at my 1344*1024 virtual WB. This works
>very slick for me, good enough to keep me from buying a monitor and gfx card
>for megabucks for a while. (I run it in 698*556)
>
>ftp.luth.se: pub/aminet/pix/wb/PjotrWB.lha
>(or any AmiNet mirror)

Why are you running your WPS in such a low resolution mode?  Most of us
run it in 1024 X 768 X 16 (or 256), and sometimes we STILL use a
virtual desktop.

Ooops.  Did you say WB.  I forgot what newsgroup I was in.  I though I
was in the comp.os.os2 newsgroup where 689*556 is considered low end.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Educational Software/CDTV
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:32:12 GMT

In article <torrie.724140516@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie) writes:
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>
>> The action of moving
>>my hand to the keypad is nearly as annoying as having to use the mouse
>>because the idiot who wrote the program didn't provide page movement
>>keyboard commands.  I hate the Macintosh mentality that some programmers
>>assume all users have...
>
>  What Macintosh mentality is that, Skip?  It says quite clearly
>in the User Interface Guidelines chapter in Inside Macintosh Vol 5, 
>that the Pg Up and Pg Down keys should be implemented by the programmer
>to act in the same way as clicking the mouse in the page down or
>page up area of the scroll bar.

Oops, I forgot that there was still one Mac advocate still hanging around
in this group...  :-)

I guess I should have said "GUI-WIMP" mentality...  :-)

There are many existing Amiga programs which provide very little or no
support for the page-movement keys because the programmers assume that
everyone wants to use the mouse for everything.  The Amiga User Interface
Style Guide recommends the use of key equivalents, but not the Pg Up
and Pg Dn keys.  Instead, they recommend the arrow key and shifted arrow
keys for such things.  I do not agree with this and cannot understand
why they would do such a thing.  Being different just for the sake of
being different is not always a good thing.

>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Evan Torrie.  Stanford University, Class of 199?       torrie@cs.stanford.edu 
>Embrace rationalism, reject superstition.           Break away from the past.
>"...there is only one thing worse than having marketing people on a project,
> and that is having no marketing people on a project."  - Larry Tesler.


Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate who doesn't agree entirely with the Style Guide...
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Amiga Unix/A4000
From: dwrinkle@vax1.umkc.edu (--DJ Revolution--)
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:22:54 CST
Organization: Groove Continuum Music
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.umkc.edu

I was curious if the A4000 can run Amiga Unix, and if there will be an upgrade
for the new machines??????
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From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comic books =)
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:49:26 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <1992Dec19.184808.3647@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>>>[comics]
>>[comics]
>[comics]

	Memories, memories.  I had a huge collection in the 1970's.  Then I
sold the whole thing to buy synthesizers when they became affordable.

	Obligatory Amiga Advocacy comment:  no matter what computer
you use, it sucks. :-)

                                                        Dan

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From: harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi (Harri P Pesonen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: UChess.lha Avail via ftp
Date: 21 Dec 92 04:13:00 GMT
Organization: Fipnet, Helsinki, Finland
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article ??? barrett@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
...
> A chessboard has 64 squares
> and 12 kinds of pieces (6 types each of white and black).  So you need a
> minimum of 4 bits to represent a chesspiece.  Multiple by 64, and we get 256
> bits needed to store an entire chessboard configuration... just 32 bytes.
> Pretty small, right?
...
> 	At any given point in a chess game, there are (say) 25 different
> moves one can make.  So searching 1 move ahead (both white and black move)
> requires examining 25 * 25 = 625 chessboards.  To store all this requires 8K
> of RAM.  Not very much, right?  But looking only 1 move ahead is not a very
> smart strategy.  So let's look 5 moves ahead.  To store all the possible
> chessboard configurations would require 25*25*25*25*25*25*25*25*25*25*25*
> 25*32 bits or 200 billion megabytes.
...
> 	I hope this helps a little bit.  (And any computer chess experts
> out there should feel free to correct my calculations or explain things
> further.  I am not an expert in this at all.)

Neither am I.  But I guess that the chess program doesn't save the whole
board but only the move in question, which could take only 2 bytes.  Adding
the score of that move could take another 2 bytes.

Another way of saving memory is only store the best moves in each level.
If every level has 25 moves then one level takes only 100 bytes of memory.

So thinking 5 moves ahead takes only 2*5*100 bytes or 1000 bytes.

But this is of course rather inefficient, because the program would have to
evaluate the same moves over and over again when it gets one level deeper.
This is where the memory comes handy:  the program saves the best moves and
scores, maybe 5-10 only.  If it saves 10 best moves, it takes
10*10*10*10*10*10*4 bytes to store 6 half moves, or 4 megabytes.

-- 
    Harri Pesonen               harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: falavi@bach.mth.kcl.ac.uk (Farrukh Alavi)
Subject: Re: Dans uploaded OS/2 Screens SUCK!
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:44:07 GMT
X-Posted-From: bach.mth.kcl.ac.uk
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nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel) confesses:

>Any one with half a brain could see this post coming.

You're a brave man to admit it, my friend.

>You already had a preset frame of mind beofre looking at the OS/2 screens  
>that were uploaded.

How do you know what his `preset frame of mind' was? You're psychic, too?  
On half a brain? I'm IMPRESSED.

:-)