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From: cgc2646@usl.edu (Cech Claude G)
Subject: Re: Kafka
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:51:11 GMT

In article <86550@netnews.upenn.edu> Philadelphia P.A. (Jesse Goldman) writes:
>In article <sbarnhar-180892125207@morril6t-4.micro.umn.edu>, sbarnhar@mailbox.mail.umn.edu (Dr. Barnhart) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> I liked it a lot.  It seemed to be a real departure from "sex, lies &
>> videotape".  A little tough to pidegonhole Soderbergh based on those two
>> films.  The only real problem I had with it came at the end, when Irons'
>> Kafka character is in the castle.  Those scenes seemed too David Lynchish
>> for                                        ^^^^^
>
>>   The film was a parody of several novels by Kafka.  Especially  THE CASTLE
>      (pardon me but I can't underline the title).  The style of the story-telling in the
>      castle tried to embody Kafka's ability to make the absurd plausible.
>
>                                                   Jesse
>

   And with some sly references to _Brazil_, no?

                                                    Claude


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From: iroderic@alfred.carleton.ca (Ian Roderick)
Subject: Re: JODIE FOSTER NAKED
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:55:45 GMT

In <1992Aug20.150836.4632@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:


>>
>>I was unaware Kinski was under 18 when she did Tess.  Are you sure?
>>
>>					Tom the non hacker
>>					Kemp in 96!
>>					"If patriotism is the last refuge
>>					of scoundrels,  Then environmentalism
>>					is the current refuge of totalitarians."
>>					Bob Jackson

>As I recall, Roman Polanski had to flee the country to avoid prosecution
>for Contributing to the delinquency of Minors <or whatever the crime would
>be, having sex with a succession of underage girls>. This was right around
>the time that "Tess" was released, and I thought that Kinski was one of the    
>females that he was in trouble for. I'll have to look it up to be sure.
>They have both admitted to their illicit romance in various interviews...

>				--Judex--


I think you are right about Nastassia Kinsky but I don't think it was
during the making of _Tess_.   Knisky, according to Halliwell, was
born in 1959.  Tess has a release date of 1980 making her
approximately 21 at the time.  Although it may have been that there
was a long gap between production and release Kinsky had already
appeared in two other films released in 76 and 79 respectively.  That
would be quite a backlog.


At the same time I do remeber this being a topic of discussion back in
high school but it would not have been the first time I fell prey to
an urban legend.

As I recall, however, Klaus and Roman had been friends and Klaus had
entrusted Nastassia in his care while on a shoot.  Roman had an affair
with Nastassia leading, not surprisingly, to a falling out between
Klaus and Roman.

If this is an urban legend distortion it might be interesting to note
that I heard the same tale when I was in Poland a couple of years ago.
And in Poland, nobody, well almost nobody, slanders Polanski.
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Subject: Re: JODIE FOSTER NAKED
From: dayrton@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 12 Aug 92 10:35:25 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

> If she was 15 at the time, then the bits you're seeing aren't hers. 
> They're a stunt doubles bits.  Unless you see the face and bits at the
> same time, odds are they belong to someone else.
> 
> It tends to be very illegal to film underaged people in the nude in
> America.  Most movie producers would never take the risk, so they use a
> stunt double in those cases.
 
Hmmm.  Thee and BChurch (in a later post) seem to be confusing nude photography
with pornography.  It is my understanding that you can photograph nude minors
(i.e. baby photos) but the legal hackles get raised when it can be claimed
that the images are of a, ah, sexually stimulating nature.   Just my two 
cents worth....

An after thought: How old was Irene Cara when she made FAME?  There's an
exposed breast in the kiddie-porn guy's scene...
  
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From: pfeiffer@nmsu.edu (Joe Pfeiffer)
Subject: Re: Batman Returns - forgettable
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<1992Jul30.215351.5632@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
	<GOEPPING.92Jul31093524@msi-s7.msi.umn.edu>
	<1992Aug2.000403.16380@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
	<1992Aug12.155758.8678@idacom.hp.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:19:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.155758.8678@idacom.hp.com> kenl@idacom.hp.com (Ken Loo) writes:


   Believe it or not, this is not the Batman of the comics in either films.
   While I realize that comics and movies are two different mediums, and
   things that work in comics don't necessarily translate well on celloid,
   Hollywood really missed the boat with Batman.  The reason I say this, is
   that there exists a GOOD Batman story which could have easily been 
   translated to film without ANY changes.

   For you non-comic readers, the story has been packaged in paperback
   form and is entitled "Batman - Year One" written by Frank Miller.  I 
   strongly recommend this to anyone who isn't a comic collector but is
   curious about how good a Batman story can really be.

Oddly enough, I thought Catwoman:  Her Sister's Keeper was much better
than Year One (odd because there is a lot of overlap in the stories,
with one version focussing on Batman and the other on Catwoman).

It wouldn't adapt to movies very well, but I'd recommend Arkham
Asylum:  A Serious Place on Serious Earth for somebody who wanted to
see just how good Batman can get.

-Joe.
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From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Subject: Re: Crispin Glover
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:32:04 GMT

It's not very well known, but Crispin's latest film is a little low-budget 
flick filmed in Hanksville, Utah by Trent Harris called "Rubin and Ed." In 
which he co-stars with Howard Hesseman as a couple of crazies driving around 
the desert looking for a place to bury Rubin's (Crispin's) deceased cat.
	I don't know why, but Crispin Glover hangs out in Salt Lake City 
quite a bit. I've seen him drive his spraypainted checker cab into my local 
Blockbuster on more than one occasion. Does anyone know why he spends time 
in Utah?


Jeff Jonsson
Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
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From: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
Subject: Aunt Julia (was Re: Delicatessen)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:13:09 GMT
Organization: Charnel House Prod.

gorgeous@momth3.maths.monash.edu.au (C Dyt) writes:
: 
: Another film which recieved similar attention was "Aunt Julia and the
: Scriptwriter". This is one of the best movies I have ever seen, yet
: it was left to a minor movie theatre to pick up.
: The film stars Keanu Reeves, Judy Davis and Peter Falk, thus it is not
: short of big name stars. Anyway I am interested to know what others thought
: of it and what treatment it recieved outside of Australia (or interstate 
: Australia.)

That sounds wonderful, and I've never even heard of it!  Anyone with
some information about its availability in the US?  Thus far I've
not seen anything with Judy Davis in it that I didn't really enjoy.


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From: eyeater@pbs.org
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Quote help
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:56:27 EDT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

     I hope the net can help me on this.  From whence comes the line,

		"It is BALLOON!"  ?


	I've heard the line many times (most recently on MST-3K), but I
     have no idea of its origin.  Anyone?  Anyone?

  [Eric Yeater, for whom the Public Broadcasting Service is not responsible]
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From: crawford@church.mitre.org (Randy Crawford)
Subject: Re: JODIE FOSTER NAKED
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 03:44:22 GMT

In article <iroderic.714333345@cunews> iroderic@alfred.carleton.ca (Ian Roderick) writes:
>In <1992Aug20.150836.4632@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
>>>
>>>I was unaware Kinski was under 18 when she did Tess.  Are you sure?
>>
>I think you are right about Nastassia Kinsky but I don't think it was
>during the making of _Tess_.   Knisky, according to Halliwell, was
>born in 1959.  Tess has a release date of 1980 making her
>approximately 21 at the time.

Kinski was 16 or 17 (and nude) in the 1976 release "To the Devil a Daughter".

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From: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Subject: Re: The Adjuster
Reply-To: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:26:53 GMT


In article <1992Aug20.161713.5067@panix.com>, fnord@panix.com (Cliff
Heller) writes:
|> This film by Atom Egoyan is really really warped, and really really good.
|> 
|> Stylistically, it is most similar to films by David Lynch and to Barton
|> Fink.
|> 
|> 
|> Has anyone seen it?  I really enjoyed it.
|> 
|> -- 
|>     / \      Reverend fnord                 | "King Kong died for
your sins!"
|>    /   \     fnord@panix.com                | 
|>   / <0> \                                   | "Don't just eat a hamburger, 
|>  /_______\   Church of Obfuscatology, Inc.  |  eat the HELL out of it!"

I saw this movie and can't say I enjoyed it but was sitting on the edge
of my seat wondering what strange things were going to happen next.  What
a pal.  I can only hope my insurance adjuster is such a friendly guy.
He kinda reminded me of George Bush(or most other politicians), patting 
his insured on the back, putting them up in a hotel, screwing them,
and smiling.


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From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Pet Semetary II
Keywords: Booger. Yeah, that's it, booger. Booger. Boogerboogerbooger...
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:05:25 GMT
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division

In article <1992Aug21.040717.22677@wam.umd.edu> dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge) writes:
>
>I've heard King wanted nothing to do with this film. He apparently read
>the script and thought it was just awful (or something like that).
>
Boy, but he *does* give the green light to lots of movie versions
of his novels, most of which are among the worst movies of all time?
I think he needs to see a doctor.


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From: hist1261@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: JODIE FOSTER NAKED
Date: 15 Aug 92 15:00:12 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <malcolm.713824326@wrs.com>, malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
>>>I've seen the film and it is definately Ms Foster.  As for this supposed "law",
>>>what about Brooke Shields in "Pretty Baby"?
>>>
> Pretty tasteless thread if you ask me... but anyway, Brooke was wearing a
> body stocking in that film, not actually nude... 
> 
> Personally I'd suggest you folks go buy some real porno instead of fantasizing
> over nude seens of teens... unless you're still in your teens yourself.  
> 
>   - malcolm  
>  

Well thanks for the holier than thou advice Malcolm.  If you had bothered to
read the post in its proper context you would have seen that we were not
indulging in some kind of pornographic fantasy session, but actually having
a debate over United States law.  If you are offended don't read it, but
you do seem to know something about that Louis Malle film - what exactly
are your motivations?

Richard.

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From: PETERC@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Peter Correnty)
Subject: Re: A Question for A BETTER TOMORROW experts
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 10:09:46 EDT

I knew I would forget some of my favortie Asian films ...
You might check these out if you haven't already ...
 
SNAKE GIRL DROPS IN               NIGHT EVIL SOUL
BLOOD OF THE BLACK DOG            BLOOD BATH 23
CANNIBAL MERCENARY                HEARTBEAT 100
CROCODILE MEN                     LADY TIGER
FLESH AND THE BLOODY TERROR       BLACK CAT
GOLIATHON                         NOCTURNAL DEMON
ESCAPE FROM HELL HOLE             BURNING SENSATION
MYSTICS IN BALI                   TIGER ON THE BEAT
WARLORD                           INSECT WOMAN
LEWD LIZARD                       THE SEVEN SAMAURI
HUMAN SKIN LANTERNS               ISLAND WARRIORS
THRILLING SWORD                   TO KILL WITH INTRIGUE
SWORDSMAN 1 and 2                 THE OCCUPANT
SHOGUN ASSASSIN                   LEGEND OF THE EIGHT SAMAURI
THE NEW MR. VAMPIRE               LOVES OF THE LIVING DEAD
FIRST TIME IS THE LAST
 
 
Pete.
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From: bahn@main.mndly.umn.edu (Christopher Bahn)
Subject: Re: Name that film
Organization: the Minnesota Daily (U of MN Student Newspaper)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:22:12 GMT

In article <MICHAEL.92Aug8004336@paul.bu.edu> michael@paul.bu.edu (Michael Chaplin) writes:

>In article <MICHAEL.92Aug7173346@mileva.bu.edu> michael@mileva.bu.edu (Michael Chaplin) writes:
>=  In article <40935@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> ng@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Neil Ghani)
>=  writes:

>=  =A couple of answers left me worried about the mental
>=  =state of the respective authours. An extreme cause for concern was
>=  =Michael Chaplin who's reply was

>=  = =It's "Footloose". I'm 99% positive.

>=  =I suggest the Mr. Chaplin urgently seek the help of a trained
>=  =psychologist.

>=  I ask that you please seek the help of an eye doctor. It was not me
>=  who was "99% sure" it was "Footloose", but the person I was responding
>=  to. I mentioned that there were no scenes that I knew of in
>=  "Footloose" which involved acid or arson. C'mon, let's get it
>=  together here.

>=  Mike "You can't fool me! There ain't no Sanity Clause!" Chaplin.

>Yeah, I know it's bad form to follow up to my own post. Sorry.
>While I don't actually disagree that I might benefit from observation,
>I do believe that C.Bahn (if I remember the name correctly)
>not be sent for therapy, but only be asked to watch MORE cult
>movies. 

Fine with me. Does "Robin Hood" starring Kevin Costner qualify? If not, I'll 
just have to watch "Suspiria" or "Near Dark" again.

 Come to think of it, I 
think I'll be following my own>advice tonight- the Lunatic Fringe presents "
The End of the World".>ciao,
>chaplin.
>P.S. Neil- got your mail- no suits pending.
>(When did I say I was sane?)
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From: iroderic@alfred.carleton.ca (Ian Roderick)
Subject: Re: Definition of Cult Movies
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:07:38 GMT


>relationship between Ben and Harry) which comes up in movies like "Ricochet"
>(only here it is more pronounced as well as having more of a revenge thing
>added in).

Laurel,

I meant to say in my last follow up that I'm not sure if I know
_Ricochet_.  Do you mean the Isreali film (_Richochets_, I believe)?
If not please send a quick filmog so I can follow it up.

Thanks

       Ian


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From: iroderic@alfred.carleton.ca (Ian Roderick)
Subject: Re: Definition of Cult Movies
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:35:04 GMT

In <1992Aug14.042229.21563@kum.kaist.ac.kr> wgcho@gorai.kaist.ac.kr (Wongyu Cho) writes:

>Sorry for asking this kind of questions, but I couldn't help it.
>I am a new subscriber to this group and couldn't understand the word
>'cult movie'. Can anyone give me the definition?

>Thanks in advance.

>Wongyu Cho
>--
>    ********                
>   *  *******         Wongyu Cho
> **  **               Computer Science Dept.
>*** *** *** ***       Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology 


Umberto Eco has a really good discussion of cult movies in his book
_Travels_in_Hyperreality.  His example is _Casablanca_ but just about
any "cult" film will fit.

Eco proposes:

"I think that in order to transform a work into a cult object one must
be able to break, dislocate, unhinge it so that one can remember only
parts of it, irrespective of their original relationship with the
whole.""<198>

He continues with a comparison between a perfect movie which restricts
the viewer to a prefered narrative trajectory and one which is more
open:

"A perfect movie, since it cannot be reread everytime we want, from
the point we choose, as happens with a book, remains in our memory as
a whole, in the form of a central idea or emotion; only an unhinged
movie survives as a disconnected series of images, of peaks, of visual
icebergs.  It should display not one central idea but many.  It should
not reveal a coherent philosophy of composition.  It must live on, and
because of, its glorious ricketiness." <198>

"A cult movie is the proof that, as literature comes from literature,
cinema comes from cinema." <199>

Cult movies tend to pull together certain familiar motifs or what Eco
calls "inter-textual frames" which link the total narrative to other
narratives.  Hence the familiar "I'll be back" of Schwarzenegger
films.  Yes, there is a cliched quality to cult films but not in the
sense of a simple flogging of a dead horse.  As Eco declares:

"Two cliches make us laugh but a hundred cliches move us because we
sense dimly that the cliches are talking to themselves, celebrating a
reunion...the extreme of banality allows us to catch a glimpse of the
Sublime." <209>

It's probably a lot more than you wanted and I apologize but I tend to
get carried away on such topics.

                                                  Ian
From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Crispin Glover
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:07:09 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <malcolm.713824739@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
>v081q3sw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (John K Mrozik) writes:
>
>
>>	Does anybody have a list of all the movies that Crispin Glover has
>>appeared in?  I saw him in 'BACK TO THE FUTURE' last night and he still 
>>astounds me.  I can think of 'WILD AT HEART' and 'RIVER'S EDGE' and
>>a little known teen-sex-romp flic titled 'MY TUTOR'.  Anyone have a complete 
>>list?
>>					psycho
>
>I think he's in Friday the 13th Part 4 or maybe 5. He's in Twister, The Doors, 
>and supposedly something due soon about him driving around a truck with a
>frozen dead cat in the back. 
>
>Also, are you sure about WILD AT HEART? He was in WHERE THE HEART IS. Maybe
>both? 

In Wild At Heart, Crispin Glover played Lulu's cousin(?) Dell.  Jingle Dell.

alan
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From: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Subject: Re: Bis ans Ende der Welt
Reply-To: labiche@crchh561.BNR.CA (Maurice LaBiche)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:07:08 GMT

I live in Dallas and the 'until the end of the world' film was only
shown here for 1 week at one cinema.  That sucked especially since I
wanted to see it again.  I found this movie to be great but it could
have used a nice 15 minute intermission since it was so damn long.

The credits were rolled while U2's title song played, the screen was
not black.  From what I've read the movie didn't play very long anywhere
in the US.  Which sucks because I felt this was a great SCI-FI flick 
especially in the way current situations(political, technological) were
extrapolated into the future.  Fairly realistically I think. 
I can't wait to see it again.

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From: iroderic@alfred.carleton.ca (Ian Roderick)
Subject: Re: Definition of Cult Movies
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:02:10 GMT

In <l8ob8iINNlqq@news.bbn.com> ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria) writes:


>I wonder how the emergence of VCR's would affect Eco's discussion.
>Now we can ``re-read'' a movie everytime we want, just like a book.
>Fast-forward allows us to skim, etc.

>I wonder if there are differences in viewing/owning patterns between
>cult films and others.  Do people buy classics but rent cult films,
>for example?  Do they watch cult films in larger groups than with
>non-cult films?

>Maybe somebody should get Eco to revise his definition for the
>VCR/Laserdisc ere.

>-30-
>Bob

>``Eco, ma posso fare una domanda a te?''
>[Umberto, do I may ask you a question?]

Bob,
    Good point!  I think, however, that the VCR allows one two watch a
cult movie the way one recalls it, episodically.
    Your question about renting vs. buying is well put.  I know of no
such studies.  Any students of film, mass comm etc. out there want to
publish a paper?  A simple survey could easily do the job.

                                                  Ian
From: pm@castle.ed.ac.uk (P Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.cult-movies
Subject: Henry IV
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:33:17 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service


    Whatever happened to this film? 

     I believe it was being shot about two years ago with Richard
Harris in the lead role, but have heard nothing since. 
     Perhaps it has been released in America. We tend to get 
things a bit late here.
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