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From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: a nice experience last night
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:13:14 GMT
Reply-To: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:

> In article <80473@ut-emx.uucp>, amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Susan Harw
> >
> >Janis, have I mentioned recently I think you're really cool?
> >
>
> Maybe we ought to consider having an alt.pagan get together some
> sabbat.  We could have it at Janis' location so we could all meet
> her "in the flesh" ;-)
>
> new name for Janis
> alt.pagans.big.sis
>
um, i think if we compared birthdates, janis would be a little
sister, but that's cool.  i have a couple of littel sisters, always
room for one more...

birthdate 11/18/63 one somethign in the afternoon, wilmington
delaware, aries rising, moon, mercury, venus, mars in sagittarius (a
good chart for having a bad temper *grin*)

so, what's everybody else's?  i'd been meaning to ask...

                                             -ailsa

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                    ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com
Desire.  The weight of.  The weight of our              ________
desire.  Then laugh, cry, but laugh             Silence \      / Action
more than you cry, and when you hold               =     \    /    =
the world in your hands, love Her.               Death    \  /    Life
                     - Alma Luz Villanueva                 \/
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From: radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz)
Subject: Re: Who do you kneel to when you pray?
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:14:42 GMT

jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary) writes:
> I've been taking a course in the literature and history of ancient Israel
> for some time now... this is in regards to T.O. Radzykewycz's
> statement about jealous gods that won't allow any competition having
> serious problems.

Hi Jessica

I didn't mean to imply that the bible claimed that there were no
other gods.  But the religion that I was taught when I was
growing up *did* make that claim.  (Baptist, and some Southern
Baptist, but it was a *loooong* time ago.) Something about how
all other gods were really aspects of the devil.

If I understand things correctly, then Christianity, as
currently practiced, *does* claim that no other gods exist.  And
Judaism claims that other gods *do* exist, but that it is evil
to worship them.  Of course, I realize that different xtian
cults have different views of things like this.  I don't
completely understand either view, and I would be very happy to
be (further) corrected.

But the common thread between the two is "Don't worship any
other gods/goddesses.  I'm too jealous."  Gimme a break.  Isn't
that a bit like saying "If you have any other friends, then
you aren't one of *my* friends."  So juvenile!

Blessings!

		-- radzy

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					|  An it harm none,
	T. O. Radzykewycz	     	|  do as ye will.
	The Incredible Radical Cabbage	|
					|  "Just pray for a
	radzy@cogsci.berkeley.edu       |  tough hide and a
	        			|  tender heart."
	        			|    -- Ruth Graham
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Tribal Mother was old, and lay ill on a bed of moss and
fern.   Her hair was long and grey.   Her face was very
wrinkled.    Tamura'nun-pa thought:   How beautiful you
are, Mother, so old and wise.
From: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pagan Rock Artists...
Date: 3 Oct 92 20:03:55 GMT
Reply-To: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: blchapma@c00000-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu


In article <AenPh7m00WBOA1gZJU@andrew.cmu.edu>, kendrick+@CMU.EDU (Kendrick Kerwin Chua) writes:
|> King Diamond Satanist? This is interesting; I've listened to K.D. for a
|> while (bought his last album "The Eye") and it seems to me that he's
|> only opposed to corrupt Christians, not Christianity in general. That
|> bit about RJD being a Taoist sounds very likely, though.

That's what I've read and heard from different sources.  I've also learned
somewhere that he doesn't intentionally put, or not put, "Satanism" into
his music or lyrics.  For instance, I have the _THEM_ album and in the
most basic sense, it tells a story.  I do not know exactly what he
means when he says he's a Satanist though, since there are many kinds
of Satanism it seems.  His religion may not have much to do with
outright opposing Christianity.

  

-- 

Bekki Lyn

************************************************************
"Today is within my reach, and tomorrow's so illusive
 But I'm still chasing time to increasing disillusion
 Forever looking for the future of an illusion."

 -- FATES WARNING-- "Perfect Symmetry"
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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: New Janis Name
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:01:20 GMT

In article <BvFKI0.DE9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes:
[a whole bunch of insightful stuff on W/Bitches that I've deleted to save
bandwidth]

Thanks for the info, Br'anArthur. As a Taoist, I of course realize the
interrelationship between the dark and the light, but as I'm still learning
how the pagan mind works with respect to the Eastern disciplines I've 
experienced, I didn't immediately correlate the two with the Crone. Your
comments help. In the light in which you've shown how the term bitch can
be used, I can now see the positive aspects of it. Maybe the term should
be Bwitches (though it sounds a bit like Elmer Fudd saying britches <grin>).

Btw, I've noticed your use of the word "hir" in place if "his" or "hers."
Is it a function of you being gay, or does it embody the greater joining
of the male and female aspects, like yin and yang, in your particular
view of paganism? Just a curious thought. IMWTK.

Bb,
Corun

-- 
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  Dark Horde by birth  |      Forewarned is a Hindu god.
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: duve@ellis.uchicago.edu (michael andrew duvernois)
Subject: Re: Witchcraft & Hallucinogens
Keywords: atropine belladonna datura witchcraft
Reply-To: duve@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:38:39 GMT

In article <BvFLsL.Dy1@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes:
>duve@ellis.uchicago.edu (michael andrew duvernois) writes:
>
>>The related herbs, atropa belladonna and aconite, can be easily made into
>>a tropical paste similar to that used by 'witches'.  Once again dosage 
>>must be carefully determined or your 'flight' might become permanent.
>
>I believe that the author meant to type "a TOPICAL paste".  I do not normally
>correct such minute details, but when the topic is as potentially fatal as
>this, I don't think the author will mind.
>
Topical it is, and I certainly don't mind.  Remember, if you don't know
what you're going and use these herbs, you are likely to end up in a       
hospital or even dead.  However, with precautions and an understanding of
what you're doing, one can have a pleasant experience with these drugs.

Mike
From: lazarus@vulcan.ksu.ksu.edu (bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pagan Rock Artists
Date: 30 Sep 1992 00:39:29 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
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In article <9209292223.AA19122@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, ST801706@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU writes:
>And that's the latest from the hard rock corner...

Oh, yeah, for all who think that KISS is Satanic...
Sorry, Gene Simmons is Jewish.  ;)

--
Bart -Laz- Smith
Kansas State University
'Cats - 35, Temple - 14... a MUCH more satisfying win!  :)
"Think about it... after you spend a day in a society whose prevailing
	philosophy is 'Why make small problems when you can create a holocaust,'
	then you must navigate your way home with a society who maintains the
	same philosophy in their driving..." 
				-- "Frank's Chair" -- 2nu -- Ponderous
From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Little Boxes (was: another poem)
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:53:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <1992Sep27.022737.11287@wolves.uucp>, wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury) writes:
> > 
> Well, the song is "Little Boxes", written by Pete Seeger.  According to
> the information I remember from Sing Out! magazine, Pete Seeger wrote it
> in response to views of "suburbia america" that he saw in a wide variety
> of places in his travels around the country.  In an interview, Pete
> said, "these little boxes can be anywhere.  Near any of the big cities.
> I've seen them at both ends of New Jersy, New York, California, and in
> Texas, and Massachusetts and Idaho.  I guess it was the miles of houses
> in New Jersey, up there by the George Washington Bridge, that really set
> me off enough to write the song." (Probably paraphrased a bit -- from
> memory.)

Would you please post the Sing Out! reference to this? I would have sworn
by all god/desses living, dead, and unborn that this song was Malvina's.
The story I heard was that she wrote it in response to all the apartment
complexes ("little boxes made of ticky-tacky") being built in the 
Berkeley hills, so the reference to the "University" is, of course,
UC Berkeley.

Richard
(Tuneweaver)
From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: New Janis Name
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:55:00 GMT

New name for Janis

alt.pagan.big.mama

8-)

Tammy
From: usr77@pil.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: re: Books to avoid
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 16:39:12 PDT

Re: Re: books to avoid
By: ba #0 @mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) USEnet      
 
> >>book is ultra-ultra-ultra feminist, as in the brand of feminism
> >>where all women are perfect and all men can sink into a swamp and
> >>die.
> >As a feminist, I have to object to your equating feminism (with ultras
> >attached or not, it's still feminism you're referring to) as being anti-male
> >At any level.  This concept is definitely what folks like Jerry Faldwell
> >and Rush Limbaugh want people to believe -- they both repeat this bogus
> >"aspect" of feminism quite a bit.
> >Feminism and man-hating two different things.  Period.  If they are not,
> >then by your definition, a man can not be an ultra-ultra-ultra feminist.
> >Obviously they can, and are.
> Well, by this definition, Z. Budapest is not a feminist.  I wonder how she wo
> like to be told that.  Coni, you are imposing *your* idea of feminism on all
From: PA142138@utkvm1.utk.edu (Nancy Proctor)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: faux pas
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:00:14 GMT
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville

Excuse my double posting please.  One was intended for alt.magick and I simply
screwed up.

       Nancy
From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pagan Rock Artists...
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:54:39 GMT
	<AenPh7m00WBOA1gZJU@andrew.cmu.edu> <1992Oct3.200355.2030@ncsu.edu>
Organization: noitazinagrO

How about Sinead O'Conner? Did I spell the name correctly? You know, that
wild bald lady? She doesn't seem like your average Roman Catholic. But I 
hear she can dance.
From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:42:50 GMT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen) writes:

> One of the tests for origins here is whether Wiccans believe that everyone
> reincarnates, or only Witches (by special favor of the Goddess).  If the

Ha ha ha..... ".....only witches...". That's pretty funny.

> former, then we may be dealing with influence from Eastern religions.  If
> the latter, then the only published source known to me is a statement in
> one of Charles Leland's writings on the Italian witches of Tuscany (maybe
> his _Etruscan Roman Remains_?), and one is dealing either with a borrowing

I would be _tremendously_ interested in your quote from Leland su 
supporting the idea of reincarnation.

One wonders if there couldn't have been a transmission from the 
Pythagorean schools, with their transmigration teaching? 

I think personally that modern paganism hasn't developed any coherent 
philosophy of death, and borrows by default the philosophies of other 
religions.

Later, Bill
From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Generic term for the divine etc.
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:35:00 GMT
Followup-To: alt.pagan
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep29.051746.22847@news.acns.nwu.edu>, Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes...
>I recently came upon an interesting acronym for ecumenical discussion:
> 
> CWHY -- referring to the "Cosmic What-Have-You"
> 
>an "abbreviated term for god(ess/s), higher powers/planes, etc."
> 
>Like other new generics (SO, motas, sie) it lacks the immediacy of some 
>more common expressions, but I feel it has it's own charm.
> 
>;)

I had a school teacher that use to use the term HP for Higher 
Power.  She use to talk about "good ole HP".

Tammy
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Who do you kneel to when you pray?
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:36:00 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz) writes:
: 
: But the common thread between the two is "Don't worship any
: other gods/goddesses.  I'm too jealous."  Gimme a break.  Isn't
: that a bit like saying "If you have any other friends, then
: you aren't one of *my* friends."  So juvenile!

I think that is in the interpretation. The usual dogma that the
Christian quotes for this is one of the "10 Commandments".

It generally is translated as "Thou shalt have no other god before me."

Now, many Christians incorrectly read this as "Thou shalt have no other gods."
However, what is really says is that other gods are allowed, only that the
one god must be primary. It says nothing about other gods being evil.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: books to avoid
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:47:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.162138.16181@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans) writes:
>: >
>: >Well, by this definition, Z. Budapest is not a feminist.  I wonder how she would
>: >like to be told that.  Coni, you are imposing *your* idea of feminism on all
>: >of feminism.  WenD made it very clear that sie was not referring to all of 
>: 
>: Unless I'm mistaken, she just said that feminism and man-hating can be 
>: separated. She never said the two couldn't cohabit in the same person. Ergo,
>: Z.Budapest can = feminist AND = man-hater, but one doesn't necessarily entail
>: the other. :->
>
>And, from my experiences/conversations with Z.Budapest, she is not a man-hater.
>She certainly has no tolerance for chauvanists or people who are patronizing.
>
>Bill

That's always been my impressions from reading her writing, too, Bill. It seems
to me that she has a special appreciation for feminine energy, but not that
she hates male. That was my point, that a person could be pro-female without
being anti-male. I'm that way myself.

Marty

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"Another beer, and then he eyes                 marty@world.std.com
The barmaid's legs and waist and thighs.        Marty Hale-Evans
'Needs to lose some weight,' he grunts,         89 Mass. Ave., Suite 199
'But just the same, I'd fuck her once.'         Boston, MA  02115
He orders pizza, buys a round,              M    @    *    O    %    8    U
Gains an appetizing pound."                \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/  \|/
From: usr77@pil.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Who do you kneel to when you pray?
Date: 30 Sep 92 08:33:10 GMT

Re: Re: Who do you kneel to when you pray?
By: jmm25 #0 @po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary) USEnet      
 
> And that God knew they believed in other gods- at least, this is how the
> ancient authors, whoever they might have been, viewed it. It's merely that
> the Israelites who wrote this bit were trying very, very hard indeed to
> cast off their time in Egypt, and rejected their polytheistic past as 
> violently as possible. Under their form of radical Yahwism (it wasn't Judaism
> yet, that word doesn't appear for many many years yet, this part of Exodus
> dates to about the twelfth century BCE), YHWH was a god of those who had
> fallen outside the system. Unlike the Egyptian gods, who were tied to specifi
> places, this was just a god of one people- and they had to be a people of
> one god. They did accept that there were other gods, but this one was theirs,
> and they had to stick to this one.

A good chunk of the Old Testament is concerned with how the Israelites were
persuaded that "they had to stick to this one". The methods that were used
are great, if one has a fondness for blood, gore, and mass murder of religious
and political dissidents.

Blessings...
                                                 A.Lizard
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(slogan contributed by Jessica McGeary) There are no fnords in this sig file.
Mail to me should be sent to:       |   autoreply to address I posted this
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oh, that reminds me, thanks for the addition to my sig file
From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Oh Bother!
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:34:01 GMT
Reply-To: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

lyt@aber.ac.uk (Lynda Ann Thomas) writes:

> Ailsa Murphy says:
> >Oh Bother!
> and wants to know who else does.
>
> If it's not Miss Manners it ought to be!
>
no, winnie the pooh!  the great taoist master himself!  *grin*

read the pooh books, read the tao of pooh, read the te of piglet.  live
by them.  B)

                                   -ailsa

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                    ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com
Desire.  The weight of.  The weight of our              ________
desire.  Then laugh, cry, but laugh             Silence \      / Action
more than you cry, and when you hold               =     \    /    =
the world in your hands, love Her.               Death    \  /    Life
                     - Alma Luz Villanueva                 \/
From: ej0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eric Scott Jefferson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Cliff, no more CASCADES
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:09:04 GMT
Organization: Senior, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>2. On a possibly related note, me and a bunch of other people from alt.pagan
>are trying to compile a list of pagan/Wiccan rock stars. Any input? (Please
>e-mail them or post to alt.pagan, since I'm sure this doesn't belong on
>alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr. If you post to alt.pagan please be nice or they'll
>flame me.)

	The group Morbid Angel is really into the ancient religions and all
this occult stuff (especially their lead guitarist Trey Azogthoth). The
group Deicide is heavily satanic, probably the most satanic heavy metal
group ever. King Diamond (formerly of Mercyful Fate) is also heavily
satanic and occult oriented. Most of the time though music has little to
do with a person's personal beliefs. For example the group Slayer with
all their extremely gruesome songs, their lead singer is Catholic and
considers the occult a pile of shit as does their guitarist Kerry King
(as I do also being one of the original members of the Washington Area
Skeptics and a member of the Committee for the Scientific Investigation
of Claims of the Paranormal I have a hard time taking anyone seriously
who believes in this crap since there is no basis whatsoever in
believing in it. But it was asked which heavy metal people were into the
occult)


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much to me as long as it's dead
I got something to say. I raped your mother today and it doesn't matter
much to me as long as she spread" -- The Misfits
"They're out ta get me. They won't catch me. 'Cause I'm innocent." --
Guns N' Roses
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: bes@ddsw1.mcs.com (Bes)
Subject: Re: Food Blessings
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:21:09 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

>>klotz@lclark.edu (Gretchen Klotz) writes:
: 
: My question for y'all: what do you say/sing/do for your food blessing?  Do
: you do this at every meal?  What about snacks? *grin*<<


In the Lucumi the goddess of all foodstuffs is Yemoeja (Yemaya) Olokun. To
Her/Him (it is a bisexual diety) is sacred the table so that eating outside
from a table (snacks)would not require additional prayer.

A prayer for this is :

Yemoeja Olokun atara mawa osaya bi, Olokun, Iyami Yemoeja onuo oma kue te ro
oke bembo le kelo mi fon ma lo mi ma kue kue mi lodo kekere ya mofe ya emi
ni ba tioko isile Orisha fumi Iya!

translation (Lydia Cabreras):

Yemoeja Olokun, with your prowess of the sea, earth and heavens, qive us all
tranquility and that we never want for bread every day and clothes with
which to cover ourselves.!

Eshin-Fun


: 
: I've written the words to what I want to be a song, but the music hasn't
: come yet.  And I have a lovely body-honoring blessing that includes food
: awareness as *part* of it.  But what I'm looking for specifically are
: songs, prayers, first-few-bites processes that give thanks for the food. 
: 
: Thanks!
: 
: BB,
: 
: - Gretchen
: -- 
: ---------------------------------------------------------------------
: "Love is like the Universe, No reason to exist, But here it is!"
: 			     - Linda Waterfall, "Love Out of Nowhere"
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