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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: descriptivism
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  It might also have something to do with how often the
> emphasis in a teacher's education is on how to teach and not the
> subject to be taught.  I was disgusted to find out that I had covered
> more math by the end of my freshman year than was required to teach
> high school math.
>
> The Ronin

Unfortunately, this was all too true for many years.  I attended a state
teachers' college in the 1950's...the emphasis was definitely  on
"methods" rather than on subject matter.  This was particularly the case
with elementary education, but also a problem for those seeking a
secondary education certificate.
ndh
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (39)

>>19) Derek Jacobi (Frank P.)
>
>A British actor.  He played Claudius in the Masterpiece Theatre series
>'I, Claudius'.  He also played Alan Turing in some sort of play (part
>of which was shown on the PBS 'Man and Machine' show last week).  Both
>of these required him to affect a stutter.  I made, I believe, some
>silly joke about Jacobi becoming famous for his stutters.
>
>Jacobi also played a French police officer in 'Day of the Jackal'.
>He didn't stutter in that one however.


He also did one of the most remarkable Hamlets I've ever seen. Derek Jacobi is
truly one of the world's finest stage actors.  He has that same easy ability as
did Sir Lawrence Olivier of feeling comfortable in any acting medium, be it
stage, screen or television.

He's also a fine instructor.

Chris
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reflections on the matter of language change

     Just a quick note to FREDERIC <FDOLEZAL@UGA>:

     1) A reponse to your critique is forthcoming.

     2) I fear I must admit that the preponderance of evidence that
        you have brought forth in defense of your postions (none)
        is overwhelming, especially given your repeated demands on
        others to supply it to you.

The Ronin
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: words-l history

Suggesteth    GUBERT@UKCC.UKY.EDU

> I'm sure we could get one of the ethnographers on the Qualrl-l@uga
> list on qualitative research to undertake the analysis.  Several have
> been making inquiries about such projects lately.

     And let some of the grant money slip away?  And just how long
have you been associated with collegiate level education.  I am
shocked and outraged at this impropriety.

The Ronin
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: flipping channels

Soundeth Off  Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>

> Re: channel flipping "may" be a predominantly male behavior pattern

> Why, of *course* it is.  Are any of you men driven bananas by wives who
> flip channels?  My theory is that it is all related to the male
> dominance thing - you know, king of the castle, tsar of the tv, and all
> of that.

     And here I thought it was just that women couldn't handle two
trains of thought at one time.  Are you sure of your theory?  I want
to see some data to back this hackneyed hypothesis up.

The Ronin
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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> Yeah, but Natalie had no idea what a Turning Machine was.  I assume she has
> some idea of what a Turing machine is.

Depends upon how much an idea is necessary to count as "some idea."  I
know that the term has something to do with computers.  Or I think it does.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     who had to read just one little note while online...
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Subject:      Re: S T R E S S ! !

>Posted on 6 Apr 1992 at 18:41:54 by Uriacc Mailer (002033)
>
>Re: S T R E S S ! !
>
>Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:19:45 EDT
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>From:         Carol Goodson <CGOODSON@UGA.BITNET>
>
>"retail therapy" is just what Cathy does (in the comic strip)
>When the going gets tough, the tough go shopping.

When Cathy goes shopping it usually crates more stress.  Every year she sets
out to buy a new bathing suit and it takes a week worth of strips just for her
to decide to wear last years because Irving will love her no matter. There does
not seem to be anything relaxing about, she has to be extremely tough to deal
with herself after her shopping trips.
Lisa
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From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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              5 Apr 1992 19:04:14 MST from <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>

Dan,
  First, congratulations!  I'll send the money order this afternoon.
  Second, about blown-in cards:  how do they stay in the magazine while
it's going through the mailing process?  As soon as I pick it up out of
the mailbox, half-a-dozen cards fall out.  :-)

Evelyn (half asleep because of the time change and insomnia)
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Information is Key (was Tarmac rugrats)

Noteth        Carol Goodson <CGOODSON@UGA.BITNET>

> though... I found out that they turned out to be o.k. as adults... I did
> accidentally spend 2 years as an elementary school teacher, and had some good
> results with one-on-one counseling with the abusers... maybe we need to train
> kids to complain about it, not just take it... I never told anyone, just
> suffered in silence and shame.

     I strongly agree with the next to the last statement.  I feel
that a lot of issues could be resolved by forcing them into the open
where unfounded ideas have trouble surviving.  Disclosure is a
wonderful mechanism for righting wrongs.

The Ronin
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>     Not to diminish Ms. Harwell when she is crossing from the right,
>but I think this was more like showing up to a tag-team match without
>one's team.
>
>The Ronin

Or pants, for that matter.  Actually, the image of a gang-mower comes to mind
in this case.

Chris
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From:         Tony Harminc <TONY%VM1.MCGILL.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Charlie on the T
              6 Apr 1992 13:49:20 -0400 from <droby@NOVA.TCS.TUFTS.EDU>

>It's more than a nickel these days, but you pay it when you get on, so poor
>Charlie's situation is no longer possible.
>
>I never understood why she didn't hand him a nickel instead of a sandwich,
>except maybe she liked having him trapped on the subway.
>
>- Don R

When I first heard the song at summer camp years ago, I didn't understand
the situation (since Toronto subways were and still are prepay).  Someone
explained it to me, and I immediately asked the obvious question about
why she didn't hand him a nickel.

For questions like this, nerdy kids get banished from the campfire...

Tony H.
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From:         Adam M Hartfield <AHARTFIE%DREW.DREW.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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>
>Well, if we're going to link Adolph Wagner to P.D.Q. Bach, can
>Peter Schickele's discovery of P.D.Q.'s electronic rock opera,
>SigFreud, be far behind?
>
>Steve Karlson



Aaaauuuuugh!  Bad (good) one, Steve!

--Adam, who owns copies Das Rheingold and Die Walkure and PDQ's 1712
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From:         Adam M Hartfield <AHARTFIE%DREW.DREW.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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>Hmmmm.  I'm not at all sure how being able to identify direct objects
>and indirect objects leads to better vocabulary and more interesting
>complex sentence constructions.  I'll have to ponder that one.

It's not the d.o./i.o. thing that made me understand English better.
Having to know how to translate the Latin into English and vice versa
is what made me understand it better.  I can remember consciously
trying to include more clauses in my writing after I learned how they
worked in Latin.

>
>> Not for everything;  I was making a generalization.  I didn't
>> understand the time concepts behind the tenses, and as such I
>> couldn't use them properly.
>
>Were you unique in that?  I mean were you the only person that other
>speakers couldn't understand (as far as time concepts), and were you
>alone in not understanding what other speakers were saying about time?
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

I'm not sure if I follow you here.  I understood how to explain
things in the past tense, but what I didn't understand is why people
differentiated between "has been, had been, was doing".  Maybe it
wasn't the Latin itself that made me understand.  Perhaps it was the
fact that I had a Latin teacher who I could understand and didn't
assume that everyone would automatically understand what he was
talking about and therefore didn't leave a topic until we all
understood what he meant.  I don't know if I was alone in not
understanding--before this list, I never talked about English in
great depth.


--Adam, who will have been logged in for much too long if he doesn't
log out soon!
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Date: 9 Apr 92 10:28:50
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In-reply-to: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu's message of Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:41:41 GMT

Bayla writes:

   >                        
   >   We can only think of math.
   >   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

   and provoked Anne Haycock:

   >** PAH! **

   >//anne, who would rather think of anything *but* math...blech//

   --Bayla would like to commit some appropriate physical violence (fantasy
   only, O Peaceful Don) on teachers etc who are responsible for such
   crippling attitudes!!!  Why, *why*, WHY is it socially acceptable to be
   proud of an inability to spell or calculate?  Why is it acceptable for
   intelligent people to disdain an essential intellectual activity?  

   I'm not picking on anne, who just happened to be the one who pressed the
   button this time: the problem is epidemic.  I am neither a mathematician
   nor an "english geek," but one ought not limit one's interest solely to
   one's narrow field of specialty.  


And I must say that I agree.  In actuality I do quite well with maths; I do
better with english (spelling, analogies, etc).  

I was provoked to exclaim *PAH* due to Tushar's inference that math can
hold a singular place of honor and we would all do just fine if all we
concentrated on was math.  (I'm taking very wide liberties with what Tushar
said...but I'm explaining from whence came my reaction.)  Since I am not as
strong in maths as I am in other areas, I was reminded of the unmerciless
teasing to which I was was subjected by my more mathematically-inclined
friends, who somehow managed to convey my academic limitations and
inferiority since I didn't spout calculus to prove the world was flat.
Humpf.  Baloney.  Math is very well in its place but for me, it does not
take precedence in my thinking -- I prefer "not limit <my> interest..."

//anne//


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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject: RE: in-jokes and such

Jill Werts asks,

"Just what is it that economists and mathematicians feel they have
in common? :-)"

I don't know.  First, the economists are a minority on the list.
There are two, who work at Northern Illinois, one of whom is on a
job interview in France, and our approaches to the use of
mathematics in economics are different.  There are a couple of other
people on the list who have admitted privately to having some
economics training, but we are by no means a large community on this
list.

Steve Karlson

Economist in flatland, and scow sailor.
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: "nothing wrong"

>In other words, I'm using "wrong" in a practical sense, not a moral sense.

I take back what I said about taking back. But still (now *I* am confused),
how can this follow from linguistic theory ?

In fact (now is probably appropriate to ask) how does cultural relativism
in general follow from sociological theory ?

>> (An example of a sentence which IS bad is : "If two people are speaking
>> different dialects, they are both right."
>
>Did I say that?  I don't think I did, although I understand its point.

I vaguely remember that it appeared somewhere, I wasn't reading carefully.
In any case, this is not the way to say what was presumably meant. And if
"right" is replaced by "correct", it dilutes the word "correct" to mean
almost nothing. The fact which is to be emphasised is that the linguist
will just be studying two things.

tushar
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From:         Frank <ST403231%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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>From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
>
>>   I don't see how this clarifies matters. Perhaps you could simply start
>> from the beginning and explain how you know as a linguist (whatever the
>> definition of linguistics) that there would be nothing wrong with English
>> changing into a system of grunts?
>
>Ok, here's a skeletal explanation.  I'll be happy to add flesh to the
>skeleton if desired -- but not right now -- I've got to log off soon.
>As a linguist, I know that language, although difficult to define, is
>usually thought of as a system of communication used by human beings.
>(Do I need to define communication here?  I don't think it's crucial to
>do so.)  I know that language/dialects are dynamic.  They all change.
>I know that one reason languages/dialects change is to meet the changing
>needs of speakers.  I know that all languages/dialects are capable of
>such change.  If a system of grunts meets the needs of the speakers of
>English, there's no way it can be deemed "wrong."
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
Or, to put it another way, "English," if it were still called that after
changing (gradually, to be sure) into a communicative system of grunts,
would still ba able to convey information between its speakers (or grunters).
In that sense, it would still be useful to the people who relied on it
an a means of communication.  That does not mean it would be beautiful.
It also does not mean it would be elegant.  Chances are that poets writing
in (grunt) English would not win Nobel prizes for literature.  But if its
users had no need for beauty or elegance, then there would be no harm
done by the development from the language we speak into something that
sounded like grunts.  And if it were to become too cumbersome or imprecise
for its users, then it would change yet again, just like any other language.
Right, Natalie?

Frank
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>From: Herr Doktor Doktor Schmidt
>           ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ (Trying to go beyond maximum headroom?)

I look nothing like him nor do I aspire to be like him.  He drinks Coke. Of
course, he knew Amanda Payes, so he's not all bad.

>The Ronin

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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      econometrics

>Tushar, did you mean "think in math," as in use the language of
>mathematics to understand better the mysteries of this world we
>live in, etc?
>
>rashmi

Yes. I said "think of math," as in "think of it as the only way
to do things".

tushar
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Subject:      Re: Roundabouts and such

From: Herr Doktor Doktor Schmidt
           ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ (Trying to go beyond maximum headroom?)

> How about "Tell Laura I Love Her" or "Teen Angel".

     My favorite was "I Want My Baby Back".  I really dug the words.

The Ronin
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Multiple sclerosis, from Gayle McKay

Thanks, Dan, for sending us Gayle's beautiful letter!  I hope a WORDS-Ler
will volunteer to make a gif of the picture of you and Gail for the
gif gallery.  One of these days I'm going to buy gif-making equipment.
Could some of you gif-makers out there give me some idea of how expensive
a scanner is necessary?  Thanks.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Leah <LEAH%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: the free press
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Sorry Rita, but there's no bubble to burst. I think press may belong to
them that has it, but the* guarantee of a free press belongs to the people.
We're not talking about property rights here, or at least, I don't think the co
constitution is.
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Subject:      Re: TV

In article <tfilt199795@drew.edu>, Adam M Hartfield <AHARTFIE@drew.drew.edu> wri
   tes:
> And I don't buy it for the soaps.  I buy it for the program
> descriptions.  Sometimes I even do the crossword in pen.
>
> --Adam
>
        Heavens!  How can you live with yourself?!  Pen!!!!

                          |_
                          Oo\ Alex
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
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Date: 6 Apr 92 20:46:34 GMT
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In article <WORDS-L%92040600335553@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> TA0SHK1%NIU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980) writes:
:From Graham:
:
:> Now well into the lead over Bill and Steve *combined*!
:
:Huh?
:
:Steve Karlson
:
:Get a good start and sail on the lifted tack.


E-oops! I meant Bill & Don Roby.  Somehow or other I'd put you two
in a mental pigeonhole together.  Can't imagine why.

Graham
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: TV

> ..not to mention the horoscopes.:-)

Horoscopes in TV Guide??  I must admit that I do like horoscopes.  Mine
for today has some uncannily accurate stuff.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         "PLOTKIN, ALEC DAVID" <185422285%UCIS.VILL.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Understatement of the Year
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Natalie,
I travelled to France last may. All my stuff was searched and all passports
stamps were checked. I was travelling alone. I am 25, so that might have been
part of the problem. It was in New York. The thing that bothered me was that
I carrying goat cheese for my mother and they took it.
I hate customs. Also when I finished a Rhine trip through Germany which ended
 in Switzerland, we were met by machine gun toting customs agents. The
agents harasses the Swiss like they were criminals and left the
others alone.


later

alec
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:29:55 EST
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From:         Steve Portigal <stevep%SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (39)
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              Dickey, The Happy Spore" at Apr 13, 92 2:56 pm

>
> What exactly is the MISC list?  Does it stand for Miscellaneous? In
> other words, is it a lower form of WORDS-L?
>
> --Aaron
>
   It is indeed miscellaneous.  It's for asking various questions unrelated
to computers.  I asked how come my smoke alarm goes off when I shower with
the door open as well as how to keep SOS pads from rusting.

Steve
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