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From: ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (Bruce Mccullough)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,comp.edu
Subject: Unix Certificate- Worth it or not?
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:51:47 GMT
Followup-To: misc.jobs.misc
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Straight to the punch- Ga Tech Continuing Education offers several certificate
programs in UNIX, networking, software engineering, etc. I have some good
experience in Unix but was wondering if the certificate would help in my 
job search endevours. I'll list the required courses with a brief description
so that you may get a better understanding.
3 required courses:
  1)UNIX for users/programmers(beginner) -   I'd have no problem with this
  2)UNIX Shell Programming(intermediate) -   no experience here
  3)Unix System Administration(advanced)  -   training in this area now

2 Electives:
  1)X Windows - I have no experience here
  2)Unix tools- some experience here     

Since I am a staff member I'd be getting a discount so the total cost would
be about $2300. Is that to much? I'm sure that I could get alot of this just
sitting at the computer but the Certificate. I could always say that I know
this or that but with this I would have a piece of paper and some formal
training. The instructors for these classes are creditable. How bout your 
thoughts on this. By the way I'll be graduating in 2 quarters with a CIS degree
(just FYI to help you to counsel me a little better).
-- 
Bruce Mccullough-Tech Assistant   | "The sharpest sword cannot cut itself".
Office of Information Technology  | "Look into the book of mirrors and find 
Georgia Institute of Technology   | all the knowledge you will ever need to  
Internet: ccoprbm@prism.gatech.edu| know". -    The Teacher
From: castel@chris.inria.fr (Nathalie Castel)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: temporary job in Canada
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:52:03 GMT
Organization: Inria France


Hello,

I have just graduated from a M.S. in Computer Science in France
and I would be really interested in finding a 12-month-contract 
in Canada.

I have already read the advice about "temporary work in Canada"
and it seems very hard to get an employment authorization there.

As a french citizen, would I have more chance to get an authorization
in Quebec or would it be easier with french firms settled abroad ?

I went to the Franco-Quebec office for youth in Paris which helps 
young workers (18 to 30 years old) in getting employment authorization 
(for 6 to 12 months only) at the Canadian Embassy but only when the 
young worker can prove he has a job contract.

Do firms know about this agreement between Quebec and France to favour
exchanges between young people ?
Do they take advantage of it ?
Could it be helpful for me ?
 
Thanks a lot for mailing me any information.

===============================================================================

Nathalie CASTEL
"Le Chambord"                            I.N.R.I.A.
513, chemin du Puy                       2004, route des Lucioles
06 600 Antibes                           06565 Valbonne
FRANCE                                   FRANCE

tel : 93 33 46 95                        tel : 93 65 77 58
                                         e-mail : castel@chris.inria.fr

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From: mikulska@astro.Princeton.EDU (Margaret Mikulska)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Advice needed : Job Transfer
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:35:35 GMT
Reply-To: mikulska@astro.princeton.edu (Margaret Mikulska)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <Btwqv9.JEw@fiu.edu> mookherj@serss0.fiu.edu (The Happy Man) writes:
>A friend who doesn't have access to internet has this problem.
>
>He has been employed with a software company, say A,  where he has been
>working on vms. He is not too happy with this job, because his
>interests are in unix/c. Meanwhile, he has another job offer
>from a company which does exactly, what he likes: unix/c/x/motif.
>This company, say B, is offering him slightly less money (approx
>$350 less p.m), but is a very big company.
>
>What would experienced netters advice ? Take the change, or continue
>on vms. He is sure that company A will make him work on vms for another
>few years...and isn't it true that unix is *the* system for the future ?


UNIX is _the_ system for the _present_, while VMS is a system whose time
has never come and is certainly gone now, especially with the current
situation at DEC.

My advice is to run away from VMS to UNIX, especially that your friend
prefers UNIX and is not happy with the VMS job.  Working on a dying OS
and disliking it is hardly worth $350/mo. - definitely not worth it if
you have an offer to work on an OS that is alive and well and
interesting.

I've been working with UNIX for quite a while now, btw.


-Margaret Mikulska
Princeton University, Astrophysics
mikulska@astro.princeton.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa
From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:40:46 GMT

>In article <1992Aug27.225342.3798@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>
>>>If the employees are at the office, most of the time it is counted
>>>as "work", no matter what they are doing.
>
>>Hitoshi, my point is that this is wrong, for it is a "positivist"
>>definition of work.  Let me explain.  Legal "positivism" defines law as
>>nothing more and nothing less than the formalistic operation of legal
>>rules, with the absurd result that the operation of courts, even in a
>>Stalinist or Nazi society, is "law"; I would prefer a definition that
>>witheld the term "law" from such societies but legal positivism forces
>>me to say they have "law."
>
>Hitoshi, unless you are really good with English you are probably very

Rather patronizing of you, Michael!  It is evident from Hitoshi's posts
that his facility with the English language is as good or better than
yours, and he may not share the smug and uniquely American presumption
that one's mental confusion is never the product of one's own
limitations, but can be offloaded somewhere else.

>confused by the paragraph above.  Well, don't worry - I was born here
>in the US and I'm confused too.  The difference is that I'm confident
>enough of my English skills to know that I don't understand it because
>it is drivel, not because I'm not smart enough to understand it.
>
Like it or not, Michael, there IS  a parallel between legal positivism
and the common white-collar view of work as following the rules, keeping
a clean nose, and cutting oneself slack whenever possible.  The cynicism
of lawyers who define the law as "what the judge had for breakfast" is
exactly paralleled by the cynicism of doctors who define medicine as
making as much money possible from insurance companies and shitting on
nurses, the cynicism of politicians who view a seat in Congress as a
source of interest-free overdraft checking, even the cynicism of data
processors who take no responsibility for errors in data bases.  And my
point is that academic philosophies these days, with the exception of
those theories variously described as feminist, legal critical, or
"deconstructionist", tend to reinforce rather than destroy this
cynicism, which explains the amazing amount of hostility visited upon
feminist, legal critics, and others.

Got it yet?

>Nilges is a pinhead.  Don't let him hassle you.

Hitoshi is no doubt impressed here by your logic and verbal facility,
Michael, and probably wants to be like you in all regards.  



Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: limpus@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Cheng-Dao Lim)
Subject: Re: need adresses of recruiters / headhunters
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:52:11 GMT

Hi,

  I just finish my MS program in the Department of Electrical Engineering and
Computer Science, University of Michigan. Nowadays, I start sending my resume
to some compuetr companies and I find that I don't have enough information.

  Does anyone can give me about recruiters, company addresses and/or fax number?
I am interested in computer hardware design and application software designs.

   I appreciate your any information.

C D Lim

limpus@quip.eecs.umich.edu

--------------------------------------------------------------
Cheng-Dao Lim
1671 McIntyre Drive,
Ann Arbor, MI 48105

313-995-9537
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From: jdaly@cs.strath.ac.uk (John W Daly CS89)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:17:44 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

Hope I`m not restarting an original arguement - I haven`t read the
articles here for a while - but do Americans receive paid holidays to the
same extent the British do?  We receive about, on average I think, 25 -
30 paid hlidays which can be taken throughout the year.  This doesn`t include
Chrimbas time and Easter.  I was informed that Americans do not receive
many payed holidays at all, and was wondering if this was true.

Just out of curiosity ... :-)

John
From: skrenta@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Rich Skrenta)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: How to quit after 2 weeks?
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:33:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Sep4.183339.7348
Distribution: usa
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois

chinkev@elof.iit.edu (Kevin A. Chin) writes:
> My #3 choice for employment gave me an offer, I accepted.
> (After waiting ~ month for other responses from #1 and 2.)
> Then my #1 choice offered me a position, how should I
> handle this?

Of course the decision now must weigh the merits between job #1 and job #3.
You'll feel bad about quitting after two weeks, but if #1 is considerably
better, then you should switch.

What I haven't seen discussed, however, is the dialogue leading up to
this predicament.  Some companies will string you along no matter what
you do.  But I think it's important to not just sit by quietly waiting
for a call from #1 if #3 makes you an offer.  Call up for your first
choice and say:

	"I just got an offer from someone else.  But I'd really rather
	work for YOU.  You have to let me know by <whenever>, or I'll
	be forced to accept this other position."

This lets them know that someone else considers you employee-potential,
and that they have a deadline to make you an offer.  This isn't rude;
you can't be expected to wait months and months for an offer from them
if you have other offers.  They might tell you that they can't make a
decision in time for you to make your decision, but at least all of the
parties know what is going on.

--
Rich Skrenta
From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Subject: Re: How to quit after 2 weeks?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:20:57 GMT

keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:

>It amazes me that people still worry about what the employer will
>feel if one quits, even after two weeks.  Do you think the employer
>would worry if he laid you off do to a slump in the industry?  Let's
>face it, nowadays, one has to look out for one's self.  Go ahead and
>quit job#3.  Take the job#1.  You've got to do what is in the best
>interest for yourself.  It is a hard road out there.  Take care of 
>number one first!		--Keith

    Sadly, I have to agree, though 'taking care of number one first' doesn't
mean you can't attempt to be nice about it.

    My dad has this big plaque of sayings by Lord Baden-Powell about
working and company loyalty and such.  It's very good, but unfortunately
also very outdated.  Day after day it seems that both in my personal
experience and in the news I see people summarily laid off for barely
any reason at all, and with no advance warning.

    Just remember that you're burning your bridges.  Taking care of number
one first also means making SURE that a move is really in your best interest.
It's not something to do lightly, both for your sake and for your current
employer's sake.

--
    Tim Russell                 Omaha, NE              trussell@unomaha.edu
One of the richest men in the world made his billions selling a toy "operating
system" that is more accurately described as a glorified bootstrap loader.
                                                  -- Phil Karn
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges)
Subject: Re: The perception of reverse racism (Re: Why do Americans
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:08:23 GMT

In article <183402@pyramid.pyramid.com> rtener@pyrman2.mis.pyramid.com (Rex Tener) writes:
>egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
>>Ah yes, the perceptions of a mailroom clerk "prove" the existence of
>>reverse racism.  Andrew, you need to at least entertain the notion that
>>the person's behavior was formed, and malformed, by having to live and
>>work in Arizona, where postmodern racism flourishes (see the reaction to
>>MLK day as an example.)  I feel sorry for any black person, or any
>>liberal white, who has to live in Arizona (in spite of my massive
>>respect for Barry Goldwater.)
>
>Have you ever been to Arizona?  Don't believe every thing you see on TV or

The main point was that the black individual was perceived as
uncooperative in part because of preexisting white racism, which is of
course not limited to Arizona.  My suspicion is that the black person's
defects of character were exacerbated by having to work with whites who
were not comfortable with him, given that Arizona is a predominantly
white state, to which whites flee the "problems" (read: black people) of
the cities.  I do not know this for a fact, but neither can the original
poster get away with "proving" the existence of reverse racism from an
anecdotal experience.  As such, his (racist) text needs to be
counterbalanced by my text, which raises some possibilities for reading
the situation (or other similar situations) in a less racist fashion.

Yes, racial incidents are higher in urban areas (although I doubt that
Arizona is all that tolerant towards gay people.)  This is because
working class types are subtly encouraged to target their frustration on
other racial groups rather than The Powers that Be.  These types don't
live in Arizona for the most part.

Yes, the folks in Arizona recalled old Evan Meacham.  I have a lot of
respect for the folks that did so AND for Barry Goldwater.  But I
daresay that the SAME subtle postmodern racism which caused the
challenge to MLK day causes the original poster to be literally
prejudiced against black people, assuming that they keep their jobs
because of Affirmative Action.

The original poster, after all, lied in stating that white unemployment
exceeds black unemployment.  It is also incorrect to imply that ANY
Affirmative Action legislation applies to lowly jobs in the mailroom.
Had the black man been canned, he would have had to mount an expensive
legal campaign with little hope of redress; NO boards exist to protect
the rights of minorities employed in private industry (the government
is, of course, a different matter.)  Such Affirmative Action as exists
applies mostly to the hiring decision and as a practical matter to
government jobs, jobs in big Federal contractors, and academia.  

This is the important issue.


Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: RELOCATION:  Do companies still provide it?
Keywords: relocation
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:33:49 GMT

Remember too that the US government subsidizes up to $1500 of your moving
costs.   That is (1) you itemize your deductions and fill out the moving
expense form, (2) you claim the maximum travel expense ($1500) and real estate
commission expenses ($1500), and (3) are in a 50% tax bracket (SS + federal +
state + city).
There are various other restrictions on how much of this you can realize too.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.resumes,can.jobs
From: rslade@fraser.sfu.ca (Robert Slade)
Subject: The Job Description (H2H)
Followup-To: sender
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:44:39 GMT

JOBDSC1.H2H   920829
 
                      The Job Description
 
OK.  The alligators are past your backside and halfway up your
back.  Your department is so tight, lean and mean that you're a
full quarter behind, and everyone is screaming for stuff
yesterday. You've made your best pitch and finally, at long
last, gotten permission to hire another desperately needed
person for your team.
 
Write a job description.
 
I know.  You can't even see the top of your desk to find a clean
sheet of paper to write it on.  If you had the time and leisure
to write job descriptions you wouldn't need the new hire. 
Besides, you wrote one in the proposal to the board/boss/big
boy.
 
You know, and I know, that you wrote that proposal with an eye
to getting the OK, not with a view to hiring someone.  And if
you hire on the basis of that proposal, the board is eventually
going to know it too.
 
The proposal, though, is a good place to start.  So is the
workload backlog.  And all the screaming demands coming through
your door.  But it isn't all that should be considered.  You are
going to have to take the long view here.
 
How much of what is going on now is still going to be in process
in six months.  How much is going to be the same in six months? 
How much of what is being screamed for now will still be seen as
important in six months?  Five percent?  One percent?  Nothing?
 
You see, whoever you hire now will be able to give you some help
over the next half a year.  Some.  But he (or she) is not going
to be able to really contribute until she (or he) is comfortably
part of the enterprise.  Knows the job.  Knows the people. 
Knows the politics.  Knows the score.  And that is simply going
to take some time.  It doesn't matter how quick they are at
learning some of the technical aspects of the job.  Becoming
part of the team just plain takes time and there is no getting
around it.
 
I used to be a teacher.  I used to prepare my exercises in
advance so that I knew exactly what I was looking for when
marking.  My colleagues all wondered why I didn't take home
baskets of marking like they did.  I wondered why they didn't
invest the time up front, and save a lot more in the long run.
 
copyright Robert M. Slade, 1992   JOBDSC1.H2H   920829
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joe Six-pack)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: how to respond in misc.jobs.offered
Date: 26 Aug 1992 19:11:29 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu
Summary: Follow the instructions

In article <1992Aug26.170002.20169@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov> mstephens.520@postman.gsfc.nasa.gov (mark stephens) writes:
>Do the creators of these position postings expect and want resumes
>by email?  Do these posters get absolutly flooded (my fear) with 
>email, so much so that they can't really read 'em?

   The creators of these position postings usually give instructions
for applying.  It's rather silly if they don't, but in that case, you
have no recourse but to email the resume.  However, if the posting
says to use USmail (or explicitly says not to use email) and you
nevertheless email the resume, at best the resume gets put in the
stack labeled "can't read and/or follow simple instructions."
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Brown University Planetary Geology
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger)
Subject: Re: How to quit after 2 weeks?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: frank@rover.uchicago.edu
Organization: Joint Center for Radiation Therapy
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:08:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.200257.13660@iitmax.iit.edu>, chinkev@elof.iit.edu (Kevin A. Chin) writes...
>I have a problem (well not really to most people), about
>quiting after two weeks.
> 
	Most organizations have a provision that new employees can be terminated
	during a probationary period on the order of 1 month. (I know, I once
	had to fire a person who looked good, but just did not get along at
	all in our organization.) 

	If such a probationary period exists at your current job, and you are
	still in that probationary period, I would say that you also have the
	option to drop out without notice.

   Frank R. Borger - Physicist    __       Internet:  Frank@rover.uchicago.edu
Michael Reese - Univ. of Chicago |___      Phone : 312-791-8075 fax : 567-7455
  Center for Radiation Therapy   | |_) _   
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: mb@smsc.sony.com (Michael Burg)
Subject: Needed: Suggestions for a friend job-shopping
Keywords: job,entry,northwest
Organization: Sony Microsystems Corp, San Jose, CA
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 01:54:04 GMT


Greetings! I would like to get some good friendly USENET advice for a good
friend of mine who is attempting to obtain a job in the Northwest (i.e. Upper
Northern California - at least two hours above the Sillicon Valley, Oregon, 
Washington, Idaho, etc). 

Now, here's a little background on the person. He has a BS in Mathematics
and a teacher's credental for California. From about 1990 to 1991 (two school
years), he was a teacher of high school Mathematics. He learned Borland
Pascal under MSDOS on his own time and wrote a few programs to demostrate
various mathematical principals for his students.  For the last year, he
has been employed as a programmer at a small company in the Sillicon Valley
which contracts with the FAA to do various airline flight studies. This job
requires programming in Borland's Pascal. Unfortunately, this is the only
language he knows (well and in depth), and his exposure to other systems,
machines, operating systems is severally limited (MS-DOS and the PC is about
it!).  He is attempting to learn C, but is hamppered by the lack
of free time.

Okay, so... here's some questions:

1) What companies, in the area mentioned above, deal with Pascal, and would
be willing to hire such a person? Or what companies would be willling
to hire and train him in other languages/machines/operating systems? (Note: he
is expecting to pay for his relocation, and possibly his way to the
interview)

2) Would it be worth it to attempt dealings with a headhunter?

3) Would it be worth to make a serious effort to learn C and attempt
   to list that experience on a resume? Again, what companies would he 
   have a chance at?

I am at a lost for suggestions for him, since I'm not a Messy-Dos person,
and my career has been riddled with 'being-exact-at-right-place-at-the-right
-time' oportunities.

Other suggestions?


Thanks in advance!


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Michael Burg @ Sony Microsystems, 651 River Oaks Parkway  San Jose CA 95134
E-Mail: mb@smsc.sony.com or ..!{uunet,mips}!sonyusa!mb