HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: MOW: reservations made!
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:22:21 GMT

> doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell) writes:
>I just made my reservations for housing at MOW (I'm driving)...

And I was just offered a friend's sister's (she works at
Treasury) guest bedroom!  (I feared I'd be reduced to a
lousy suite at the Hay-Adams :-))

My sweetheart will probably be able to wangle a coinciding
business trip to the NIH, but I still need to get a flight.
It'll probably cost more than some of the air/hotel packages
I've been hearing about (:-().

BTW, it looks like *everyone* I know is going...
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From: hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Programmers Up the Butt
Keywords: say what
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:55:53 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

In article <C0535v.FB1@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>, mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike
Reaser) writes:
|>visions dancing around my head ... 

Careful, remember that programmers are notorious for not delivering on time...

There's an old joke about a person who had been in three long term
relationships with IBM employees:

- the first was a programmer who never left the terminal to come to bed
- the second was a service engineer who was always out of town
- and the third was a salesperson who would only talk about how good it
was going to be!
                  
Henry Troup - H.Troup@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
	       Legislated morality is the enemy of true morality
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: kommotion about Krystal and Krispy Kreme (was Re: Bar etiquette)
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:58:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan13.023731.29217@quantime.co.uk>, roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) asks:
> [So, what's Dan White up to, these days?]
 
  Er, he's not up to much. More like he's down to about 6 feet.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
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From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Congratulating (het) parents on their new baby
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:33:46 GMT
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1993Jan6.161634.11857@midway.uchicago.edu> 
elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.143249.19655@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> 
> ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) snipes at Peggy Murphy:
>>Too bad.  I am anti-family if being for family means following
>>the mooing herds that trumpet the joys of breeding.  There are
>>plenty of people on this planet already.
>
>I haven't the faintest idea why you're extrapolating "mooing herds"
>from what she said.  If it's a choice of ceding breeding rights to the
>'phobes or to Peg, it's a damned easy choice.

From the fact that the announcement was sent to people who couldn't care 
less. No one was talking about ceding breeding rights to anyone. We were
discussing trumpeting the success of one's breeding attempts to the entire
world. I have no quarrel with people having children. I may even have one or
two myself someday. But I'm about as interested in the fact that Jane and 
Jimmy Q. Public had one as I am in the details of the latest train wreck in
India.

-jenneke

   Only Boys Accepting Feminism Get Kissed Meaningfully  -- Geoff Marcy
The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. - Alfred Kinsey
		jenneke is: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Walk? Shirley Not!
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 23:10:18 GMT


In article <thaaang.726844928@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu
(John Dorrance) writes, prepared, apparently, to stand on his
hands (not at the same time, of course) -- I do like this
fellow's versatility:

>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>In article <thaaang.726641631@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu
>>(John Dorrance), Slut Royale of the Eastern Plains and
>>Brazen Boy Boink Buddy, writes:

>George? 'Zat you?

Dear, it's rude to turn aside compliments, especially such
extravagant ones as that.  But you're forgiven (sort of).

>[Grinnell]

>>It's a long story, but I'm saving it (with pictures) until
>>we meet.

>'Until we meet'. I feel so anticipatory!!!

Feel free to pee en route.

>>But I admit it's a bit on the preposterous side.
>>Ever been there?  I have.

>Isn't there a college there?  I'm thinking there is.  I
>honestly can't say if I've been there.  Take that as you
>will.

Grinnell College, a tiny liberal arts college, and not the
worst by a long shot.  We'll be able to get a fairly
complete tour in a very few milliseconds.

>>Anywhere we'd meet would be a badroom, that I'm sure of.

>Flatterer!

(Usually works well for me.)

>>But John dearest, this isn't going to be just boinking, it's
>>going to be Love (for at least 20 minutes).

>Yeah, I love you, slut, now grab your ankles.

This seems to be a favorite image of yours.  But I'm
cooperative to a legendary degree.

>>But
>>we could wait until mid-July, then strip naked and run
>>around in the corn fields.  If they build it we will come.

>Ooh.  I can feel the tassles 'twixt my toes even now...

Oh baby!

>I got my picture ID for West yesterday...  it's the most
>amazingly ridiculous picture there is of me.  The guy who
>took it was flirting with me as he was fiddling with the
>camera, and I was rolling my eyes or something as he took
>the picture.  I look blitzed.  It's really cute.

Blitzed?  Is Omaha *that* quiet?  Gad, I better stock up.

<> You know what charm is: a way of getting the answer yes
<> without having asked any clear question.
<> -- Albert Camus
-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Biological miracles (was: tearoom sex and bathroom police)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:48:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.185658.26658@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> The place was a pit: it continually smelled like the
> inside of a used condom (a woman could undoubtedly become pregnant by
> simply breathing)

I'm having a lot of fun figuring out how this would work. Maybe
there's something about what's connected to what that they didn't
teach me in school.

I guess it's a good thing we got the cat spayed.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: The cost of a good education (was Re: Marky M. and Vanity Fair)
Followup-To: Scot N Gibson <prufrock@leland.stanford.edu>
Summary: I can't believe you get what you pay for...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 04:35:47 GMT

In article <mattm-050193082356@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.074416.25926@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
>prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson) wrote:
>
>> I find it pretty ironic that there is a shopping center on Stanford
>> land that no student could ever possibly afford.  The only thing I
>> ever went to was the Woolworths, and they closed it.  Now I just go to
>> sales at Macy's.  
>
>Well, Boopsie, I can't afford to shop their, either.  But it gets
>better:  The Center - perhaps amongst the toniest in the nation -
>pays *rent* to *Stanford* on the upteen acres it uses, and yours
>is *still* the most expensive school on this, the planet Earth...
>
>*X*

Well, I just recently participated in the hugely sucessful Stanford
National Centennial Celebration, a five year fundraiser (the largest
fundraiser ever put on by any college on the planet), which far
exceeded its goal of $1.1 billion.  And they *still* raised tuition by
9% last year, the largest tuition hike in 20 years.  With my tuition
costs, I can barely afford to go to Taco Bell.

I hate to say it, but I'm beginning to get the "If I knew then what I
know now" syndrome.

--scoT

p.s. The sad thing is that we're *not* the most expensive school in
the US.  Far from it, from what I hear.

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 \    /  | Stanford Univ.  |  Almost, at times, the Fool."          |
  \  /   +-----------------+-------------+             - T.S. Eliot |
   \/    | prufrock@leland.stanford.edu  |--------------------------+
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Cl*yt*n - who are you?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:27:29 GMT

In <C0EG52.FIo@cck.coventry.ac.uk> ouz085@cck.coventry.ac.uk (J Murdock) writes:

>'twas just mentioned in this office:

>Given the regularity with which the unpleasant chappy posts,
>surely he should be in the picture archive?

Twouldn't work -- the archives are stored on a machine with a unix
operating system and the *'s in the file name would play merry hell
with it...

--Cindy
--

*  I would rather that a bigot thought I was a lesbian than that a
*  lesbian thought I was a bigot.        -- Tovah Hollander
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Subject: Re: A not-so-cheery coming out story
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:13:50 GMT

In article <1ipvhpINNram@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu (Gary Byma) writes:
> In the continuing saga of coming out, I called an old friend of some
> twelve years yesterday and told him that I was gay. He was stunned
> and angry and openly expressed his disgust. He said "I can't
> imagine anything that you could have done that could have been
> more catastrophic to a friendship. It disgusts me that someone
> who I used to respect could make such a wrong choice."

As someone else said, you did not lose a friend--yoou never had this one.

And of course the correct response to him is, "I can't imagine
anything that you could have said that could have been more
catastrophic to a friendship.  It disgusts me that someone who I used to
respect could make such a wrong choice."

Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
--
"To make the point [that homosexuals hamper military effectiveness] I'd
say that you would have to sift through your military history till you
find an instance in which failure has been attributed to the presence
of homosexuals on the losing side.  I'm not aware of any such case in
the past 2500 years, but I'd be interested to hear what you find."
-Nathan Engle
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie)
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Moron At Large
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 04:37:45 GMT

In article <thaaang.726630133@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) wr
ites:
>Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>
>>Jess Anderson writes:
>
>>>But the point here is, you're being more than a little
>>>acid-tongued yourself, and you've consistently excoriated
>>>Arne for some little time.  There can hardly be a sentient
>
>>True enough; but I don't manufacture items to deride people
>>over, as Arne has done with me. Nor do I go off on people
>>at (seemingly) random.
>
>I'm not going to say it...
>
>This is getting way too ugly; I'm just going to step away and wait for
>it to end. I'd suggest that everyone else do the same.
>
But first, who can answer this question:  Why hasn't someone changed
the subject line of this thread to George Madison, Humorless
Asshole at Large?

--Michael
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings)
Subject: Re: Should I be doing this?
Organization: smurf gang
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:31:34 GMT

In article <C0nupA.ExA@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>
>
>I like teasing and being teased.  And I like sex.  As it happens,
>like lots of people in this newsgroups, I like sex with men.  I
>guess there is enough voyeurism in my makeup to guarantee my
>interest and enthusiasm for a lot of the flirtatious and 
>even steamy articles that show up here.

Gosh, we have so much in common Mara!

>It occurs to me that this might be considered a reversal of the
>way some heterosexual men like thinking about lesbians-- you know:
>they (those men ) can't possibly imagine sex that leaves them out.
>They want to watch.
>
>I have no trouble understanding why women might find this attitude
>annoying and/or disgusting.  It just never occurred to me until
>today that anyone might consider that I'm doing essentially the same
>thing.  

Well, one difference is that anyone posting their bits o' raunch to
this group *knows* the audience is quite diverse, men and women, gay
and straight and all points in between, all colours of the rainbow,
all degrees of fuzziness.  You are not *intruding*.  You are not
using your net-voyeurism to access our private activities, only 
those we make public.  As as for you being similar to a straight man
wanting to watch lesbians out of a mixed lust/disbelief/disgust, I
hardly feel that any but the first is a factor in your case.

>I don't know to what degree you can
>make the appropriate changes so that the "gender" script runs with
>"sexuality" substituted, and the power imbalance and aknowledgment
>of sexuality reflects gay-straight instead of female-male and have
>the analysis make any sense.)

I'm not sure you can, in this context.  I don't think you're presence 
on the net assaults my personal power in any way.  You are not just
a lurker, but a virtual mother of this conceptual family.  You post
about many things, not just requests for and comments on gay porn.
Why, who would rally the anti-cabal forces in your absence?

>even if _I_ know this and the objects of my teasing know it, there
>may be people reading who find this behavior at least a little 
>dubious.

Any behaviour that is not dubious is seldom interesting.  Subversion
requires levels of complexity and obscurity.

>I'm not going to promise to stop it unless I get a serious request
>to do that, but I _will_ restrain myself.  Some 

Ask nicely and I'll do the restraining for you...  lots...

-paul

-- 
Blew Biyou     S6 b++ g l y+ z+ n+ o+ x+ a-u v+ j+
"Our Father makes art in Heaven, Howard be thy name..."

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mmaster@parnasus.dell.com (Michael Masterson)
Subject: Provo Utah and area...
Summary: request info on stuff to do in provo
Keywords: information, provo, utah
Organization: Dell Computer Co
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:11:38 GMT

being sent out on a business trip to Provo, UT, one has to wonder what
are the "don't miss" things there...

any info would be appreciated
-- 
Operated by professionals, do not try at home, see your dealer for details.
Your mileage may vary. Call before digging. Best if eaten by date on package.
Apply only to affected area. Batteries not included. Member FDIC.
Michael Masterson                                   mmaster@parnasus.dell.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: sun@athena.mit.edu (Tigua Alan Naghel Jackson)
Subject: Gay men personals...
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:16:37 GMT

I recently found myself attracted to a white guy, which isn't unusual
since I don't limit myself to any race.  But being a man of color, black
with a little French and Native American, I'm constantly forced to 
consider the implications of dating someone white.  I should say, it's more
that being a black American I am forced to consider the implications
of dating a white.  Particularly, the prime question is: is he
dating me because I'm black?

This is all secondary, though, to the reason why I'm posting in the first place
which is for white men to consider: When placing an ad why say, 'GWM seeks same,
no fats no fems' when what you mean to say is, 'GWM seeks <whatever> no colored, 
no fats, no fems...'?

Of course, my version is 'racist.'  But I'm the only one saying that...

Because denial does nothing...
I think that an admission of the true state of affairs in your mind set 
can only weaken the huge racial barrier that exists within the gay community.


I'm not interested in any responses although that's not to say that
I won't entertain them...
I just wanted to bring something to attention for personal reflection.

tigua
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Date: 5 Jan 1993 10:06:21 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <5415@calmasd.Prime.COM> 
wlp@calmasd.Prime.COM (Walter L. Peterson, Jr.) writes:

> My own personal favorite is a 'cheapie', Timber Line by English
> Leather. 

My personal favorite is, alas, very expensive.  Jicky, by
Guerlain.  (It was Proust's *and* Colette's favorite, too.)

> Since we are on this subject of olfactory stimulation, why not expand
> the range.  For those who, on occasion, enjoy "dressing up"; what are
> your nominations for your favorite perfume ?   *My* nominee is
> "Charlie".

Nuit de Noel.

Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:12:27 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1ikvnkINN6qv@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
wrote:

> But did you have a choice, or were you there because
> your parents lived there?  I was a Valley Boy for
> the first 18 years of my life (Van Nuys/North Hollywood
> area), but I escaped at the earliest possible moment.
> It sounds like *X* chose to live there -- a sure sign
> of brain damage. 

*X* not only *chose* to live in Studio City, but *chose* to
pursue a life of wanton disabandon, tramping up and down
Ventura Boulevard and boinking in swimming pools off Woody 
Wilson.

*X*
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: The Crying Game SONG ? (NOT A SPOILER)
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:58:20 GMT

asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal) writes:
>The Boy George rendition is played over the closing credits.

Produced and mixed by the Pet Shop Boys, if I'm not incorrect (whom
I'll forgive everything for the way they made Patsy Kensit say "Take
these dogs away from me...Oh").
								FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: long-term relationships...success sto
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:34:24 GMT


In article <1993Jan7.175244.20936@linus.mitre.org>, jclander@symphony.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander) writes:

|> I live alone, so I have someone come every other week, on Friday. I spend about 20 minutes
|> on Thursday night putting things into neat piles.  I leave money on Friday morning 
|> (my cleaner has a key), and in the afternoon the house is clean and the money 
|> gone.  It's a fair trade, as far as I'm concerned. 

We have someone come in and clean every other Tuesday.
As Julian and Steve have noted, it provides two benefits:
1) you have to pick up the clutter before they get there;
2) you come home and your house/apartment is clean.

We had a gay man cleaning for us for a while but
he didn't do a very good job.  We now have a Costa
Rican woman who gets $40 for 3 to 4 hours of work.
She's very good, very sweet, and loves to arrange
things on the diagonal.

That, and sending my laundry and shirts out, are 
two things that I used to think of as luxuries that
now are necessities.

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Different Strokes
Date: Mon,  4 Jan 93 20:25:47 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan4.172613.15254@spdcc.com> <1993Jan5.002632.6499@macc.wisc.edu>
  <1993Jan5.020025.9157@spdcc.com>

Steve Dyer writes:
>Jess Anderson writes:
>>>All these cosmetics take up space that I need for my Preparation H tubes.
>>>Otherwise, out of sight (and scent), out of mind.
>>I was on the phone when I read this, caused me to whoop  
>>right into my friend's ear!  But inquiring minds want to 
>>know: does it really stop the itching and burning?  Or are
>>you using it for a facial?
>
>Honey, I pride myself on my swelled head.  This stuff gets put where I
>need it, and where the label says it belongs.

Oh my.  I hope they finally took that damn phenylmercuric
acetate out of that stuff.  The idea of exposing absorptive
mucosa to anything containing MERCURY makes me *very* upset.

 
() A Galileo could no more be elected president of the
() United States than he could be elected Pope of Rome.
() Both high posts are reserved for men favored by God with
() an extraordinary genius for swathing the bitter facts of
() life in bandages of self-illusion.
()      -- H.L. Mencken
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu (Dean Blakeley MD)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bar Etiquette: Further digression
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:09:13 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1993Jan12.065600.11151@adobe.com> asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.203959.4544@usl.edu> rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.) writes:
>>Chili in Houston is reddish-brown, but in El Paso it is green.
>
>And in Cincinatti it is spaghetti.

And the Skyline Cincinati chili has a touch of cinnamon mixed in when it's
poured on top of the spaghetti and topped with mounds of shredded cheddar.
They call this a 3-way.  For a 5-way, just add in beans and onions...

Peace



-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Congratulating (het) parents on their new baby
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:46:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.004108.28588@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
> And don't forget God's little factory...

Who could forget?  I may need to rest all my hopes on the truth that perversity
is contagious.  

Ry
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: For a limited time only
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:29:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.170846.25007@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>Bleh!  This is the worst idea since MuchPolka, Canada's own 24-hour
>polka station.

Say, what is it with Canada and polka dancing?  My childhood
memories of Canadian television is polka shows and hockey
games, and changing the channel to pick up Buffalo stations
as soon as my grandparents left the room.
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
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