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From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Meat Processing; was Recommended Hunting Videos
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:05:30 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Jul24.094457.16681@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
     keith@clodII.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd) writes:
 
>    To do it right you need a large cooler to hang a carcass
>for 2 or 3 days.
 
 
Ya know, I've heard this before, but I have never let one hang.  I
have yet to be able to tell a difference between my unhung deer, and
a friends' that did hang.  Your platatte may give different milage....
 
 
>Secondly, you need a band saw, slicer, and a cuber
>along with other equipment which cost money.
 
Gee, I must be missing something.  The only equipment I use is:
   my fishing filet knife,
   a large butcher knife,
   a large chopping board
   a hand-crank meat grinder (cost=~35 at Service Merchandise).
 
With this equipment, I get steaks, roasts, jerky, stew meat, ham-
burger, and chili meat (no beans!).  If I were to use my jig saw, I
suppose I could get ribs for barbaqueing, but that would use most of
the meat I use for jerkey.
 
 
>The time needed to cut and wrap one
>animal is anywhere from a couple of hours to 1/2 day or more. It
>depends on how big it is and how quick you are at processing.
 
A couple of hours?  Man are you fast!  ;-)  (of course, I start the
clock running when you start to remove the cape).  Granted it does
take a long time, and if you're hunting away from home, that time may
not be available.
 
 
>Since
>hunting is popular here, there are numerous places that will do this
>for you for a fee, of course. The guy who does mine will usually
>charge about $18 to do one deer. This is everything including cutting
>it to my specs, wrapping it, and marking the packages.
 
I wonder how much of the meat he kept for himself.....I have yet to
find a butcher, that at the very least, was as careful as I am at
working to get every scrap of meat.  And I've heard of quite a few that
were down-right dishonest.  But then again, most of the packers around
here are a bit higher than $18  (around $40-$50).  And if you want
the meat mixed with pork (for breakfast sausage ?), you also pay for
the pork/spices used.
 
I don't mean to suggest that processing is something that is for
everyone, or everytime.  But I believe that it isn't something that
most people even consider doing; and it really should be.
 
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From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Moving to Palatine, Illinois -- Where to hunt/fish?
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:44:45 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


   As the subject line says, I am moving to Palatine, IL this weekend
   and would appreciate any advice on good, public hunting or fishing
   places in that area (for those who don't know, Palatine is about
   35 miles north-west of Chicago).  Thanks in advance.

I am a bit biased but everyone _knows_ that there is no
hunting/fishing in IL that can compare with that of Wisconsin.  Out of
state licenses are a bit expensive but it is well worth it.  Just try
not to let folks see the IL plates on your car and definitely leave
your Bears sweatshirt at home.  :)

tim
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: mbh@sdphu3.ucsd.edu (Matt Harrington)
Subject: Where is there hunting near San Diego?
Organization: Physics Department, UCSD
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:54:33 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


I thought that I'd look into hunting, but I don't know if there is
much of it in this area (San Diego).  Does anyone what the closest
area for bird hunting is?  How about game?  I'm embarrassed to ask
at the gun shop.  Thanks in advance...

				Regards,

				Matt Harrington



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From: fsctc@bass.lerc.nasa.gov (Clarence Chang)
Subject: Re: BOWFISHING IN EAST TEXAS
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio]
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:44:20 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Jul23.095339.13798@doug.cae.wisc.edu> csc1210212@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>I am looking for someone who bowfishes and would like to shoot the
>breeze,please reply. 
>
>                    David Hanson 
>                    East Texas

	So Dave What's the biggest breeze you've ever shot? did it
make P&Y ?:-)

 On a less serious note I plan on goiing bowfishing this weekend. I
normally use my old PSE Phaser II set up with a zebco 33 reel and 50
lb dacron. However I'm stuck up here in Cleveland right now and only
have my hunting bow, a PSE Fireflight. I'm going on a canoe trip on
the Mohican River (more aptly Creek) I love to bowfish small creeks.
The Carp are plentiful, and I don't have to have a line attached to my
arrow. It's shallow, so I just use normal hunting arrows with a fish
point. After I arrow a carp, I just wade after it. I've lost a fish
yet this way, though I've had to swim, or wait for one to surface.
I've never shot anything except carp,bowfin, and various suckers. I'd
love to tackle gar someday, especially those huge alligator gar. Oh
well , have you shot one of these monsters yet? Well good luck I hope
you see some big breeze I'm sure they get pretty big, like everything
else in Texas. ( We don't have have any shortage of breeze here in
Ohio either) Say what's your season on breeze in Tx ? ;-)
						Matt Smith
		(I'm on Clarence's account because my SA doesn't rn)


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From: paul@sequent.com (Paul Bourgeois)
Subject: Re: Single Shot Rifles, big bore
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:46:54 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu
Keywords: single shot


   I am considering a single shot in .338 cal. I believe Ruger
makes one in this cartrige. It has 2 inches more barrel than the
equivalent bolt action which is a plus but is heavier than a
bolt action, of course you cant shoot again quite as rapidly but
I am not too concerned about that. I was wondering about how
accurate they are. What are your experiences? 

thanks,
paul@sequent.sequent.com




Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: fsctc@bass.lerc.nasa.gov (Clarence Chang)
Subject: Re: Recommended Hunting Videos
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio]
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:03:07 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

>I agree with you on all but the last.  I would like to see a video that 
>goes into field dressing.  I've taught myself everything I know about 
>hunting, with the assistance of books/videos and what have you.  The one 
>book I have which goes into field dressing and butchering rather 
>graphically is one I've read a couple of times.  Even though I've field 
>dressed deer, I would like to see the approach taken by others.
>
>> the ones shot.  Well that's enough harping for now. I'd like to hear
>> some other video reviews, video's help pass the time till bow season.
>> 
>> 					Matt Smith
>> 
>> 			79 days to go ( can it really be that long?)
>Its about that long here too.....just enough time to take my Bowhunter 
>saftey course. :)
>-- 
>John Robinson                  Only criminals, tyrants, and cowards have
>robinson@ac.dal.ca                 reason to fear the armed, honest citizen.
>DOD #0069


	Well I agree with you here, I guess that I should have been
more clear in what I meant. An instructional video on field dressing
would be great, but what I was referring to was what I saw in a video
called "Midwest Trophy Whitetails" . This video was horrible, except
for the three magnificent Illinois P&Y bucks taken in it. The two guys
in the video showed them field dress the last buck in a less than
tasteful manner. They looked like a couple of starving turkey
vultures. I guess It might have been interesting or mildly helpful to
someone who hasn't field dressed a deer before, but there purpose was
more for show, not instruction.

						Matt Smith

		P.S. Saw a decent 9 pointer last night with an unusual
double brow tine ~8" long, and about a 14" spread. Also had a doe with
twin fawns within 25 feet, can't believe I forgot my camera.well only
73 days till bow season.  

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From: dak@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (David Kardelis- I am the NRA)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Moving to Palatine, Illinois -- Where to hunt/fish?
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:24:19 GMT
Organization: High Energy Physics, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Jul24.094445.16648@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg) writes:
>
>   As the subject line says, I am moving to Palatine, IL this weekend
>   and would appreciate any advice on good, public hunting or fishing
>   places in that area (for those who don't know, Palatine is about
>   35 miles north-west of Chicago).  Thanks in advance.
>
>I am a bit biased but everyone _knows_ that there is no
>hunting/fishing in IL that can compare with that of Wisconsin.  Out of
>state licenses are a bit expensive but it is well worth it.  Just try
>not to let folks see the IL plates on your car and definitely leave
>your Bears sweatshirt at home.  :)
>
>tim

	I would agree that Wisconsin hunting is probably much better 
than IL hunting. Where can a person who doesn't know someone in WI 
go hunting. I would be willing to pony up the bucks for a WI hunting
license but alas have I nowhere to go. Any suggestions?
					dave
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   Gradual Student in Physics   |
   Univ. of Ilinois		|	Looking for a new .SIG
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From: eden@4ccvw70.scg.hac.com (Jerry Eden)
Subject: Re: DEER/PIG HUNT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:46:22 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


In article <1992Jul16.083539.26679@doug.cae.wisc.edu> markm@tvnews.tv.tek.com (Mark Moore) writes:
>	I am going to go on a combo pig/deer hunt in Northern Cal. and
>	have a few questions.
>
>	1.) Will any state hunting certification meet the licence   
>	requirement.

Under the heading Special requirements-Hunter Safety of the Cal. 1992
hunting regs page 3 state:

...or a certificate of competence of completion of a California approved
hunter safety course from any state or Canadian province. I would take
this to mean that your valide hunter safety course from your state will
probably be sufficient.

>
>	2.) Can a person only buy one deer tag.

You can apply for two deer tags. The zone that you apply for has a
quota and that quota could be filled. You are not guaranteed a tag for
that zone until varified by the DFG.

>	3.) How much is the tag and licence (out of state).

For the first nonresident deer tag = 143.85. For the second nonresident
deer tag = 143.85.

>
>	4.) How does this year look for deer and pigs.

Do not know about pigs but the deer population here is fairly good
depending where you go. You should not have any problem with the
private hunt you are on.

>
>	5.) Is $700.00 a good price for a deer/pig hunt. We have to provide
>	our own sleeping arangements and food for the 3 day trip. They only
>	provide the guide per 2 hunters, the land, and the truck.

I do not know but over 200 dollars a day is a little steep for me but I
have heard of hunts costing 2000 dollars a week.

>
>	6.) How is bowhunting doing, the guide told me it was open, but I
>	have not seen any stories on the net yet.

I do not have a clue and I also use a bow.

>
>
>Thanks
>
>Mark A. Moore
From: motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Turkey Vulture Sighting
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:46:29 GMT
Organization: AT&T
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I live in the Chicago suburban sprawl.
My husband was driving the van on Joliet road where the I-355 Tollway
connects to the Stevenson (I-55) when something caught my eye.  Flying
over an open field to the south of the road were three huge birds.  Now,
Chicago is not known for it's eagles.  It seems very unlikely.  But these
babies were HUGE.  I watch for the hawks and falcons in the area, and
often see them hunting over fields like this, but these were MUCH
bigger.  Could they be EAGLES?  Naw.  I called up the ever helpful
people at the Brookfield Zoo and found out that they were Turkey
Vultures.  The TV's are expandind their range into the Chicago area
were they are feeding on -- roadkill.  (Roadkill Racoon is our official
county animal, remember.)  If only they'd been circling -- then I would
have recognized them.

Mary Otto
From: linan%argon.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Mike Linan)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: DEER/PIG HUNT
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:46:10 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Jul21.110120.15927@doug.cae.wisc.edu> mesrx!web037@uunet.UU.NET (Bill Braden) writes:
>In article <1992Jul16.083539.26679@doug.cae.wisc.edu> markm@tvnews.tv.tek.com (M
>ark Moore) writes:
>>       I am going to go on a combo pig/deer hunt in Northern Cal. and
>>       have a few questions.

>>       1.) Will any state hunting certification meet the licence
>>       requirement.

>According to the 1992 regs, 
>"Licenses will be issued to hunters upon presentation of one of the following:
>An annual California hunting license from a prior year or evidence of having
>held such a license; or a California hunter safety completion or equivalency
>certificate; or a certificate of competency or completion of a California
>approved hunter safety training course from any state or Canadian province.
>For further information contact any DFG office or license agent"


There is one other way to get a California Hunting license.  If you
have ever had a hunting license, you can sign an affidavit stating
that you have at one time or another qualified for and owned a hunting
license which is no longer in your possession.  You are under oath
when you sign this and they will issue a license to you once this form
has been completed.  This convenience can be abused but, it is
generally a good thing if you get you wallet stolen or lost and your
last years license was in it.


Mike Linan
From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Recommended Hunting Videos
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:54:42 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University

In article <1992Jul22.094707.14243@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
   infmx!gregm@uunet.UU.NET (Greg Mitchell) writes:
 
>>book I have which goes into field dressing and butchering rather
>>graphically is one I've read a couple of times.  Even though I've field
>>dressed deer, I would like to see the approach taken by others.
>
>How about butchering techniques ?
>
 
 
This brings up something rather interesting:  How many of you process
(completely butcher) your deer rather than taking it to the local
meat processing store?  Of all the people that I have personally met
that deer hunt, I only know 1 other person that processes his own
deer (besides myself).  To me, it's the last step in the whole hunting
process (well, maybe eating is the last step).
 
*danger - philosophizing follows*
I suspect that the fact that very few people process their own deer is
an indication of how far we (hunters) have fallen into the trap of
living life in the fast lane.  We want to have the hunting experience
(a slower pace), but we want it NOW; and don't let it last too long
because we want to hurry to our next experience.
 
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Chris Barnes            |
x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |  Only 40 more days until the start of
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           hunting season (in Texas)
(409) 845-8454 (work)   |
From: motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Moving to Palatine, Illinois -- Where to hunt/fish?
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:05:18 GMT
Organization: AT&T
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Jul27.102420.5737@doug.cae.wisc.edu> dak@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (David Kardelis- I am the NRA) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.094445.16648@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg) writes:
>>
>>   As the subject line says, I am moving to Palatine, IL this weekend
>>   and would appreciate any advice on good, public hunting or fishing
>>   places in that area (for those who don't know, Palatine is about
>>   35 miles north-west of Chicago).  Thanks in advance.
>>
>>I am a bit biased but everyone _knows_ that there is no
>>hunting/fishing in IL that can compare with that of Wisconsin.  Out of

I have to disagree.  For example, the P&Y record whitetail was shot in IL>

>>
>>tim

Tim - you have bought into the propaganda of the Cheeseheads.
>
>	I would agree that Wisconsin hunting is probably much better 
>than IL hunting. Where can a person who doesn't know someone in WI 
>go hunting. I would be willing to pony up the bucks for a WI hunting
>license but alas have I nowhere to go. Any suggestions?

How about Ponying up the bucks to me instead and I'll tell you about
some of the best hunting in the world, right outside your own backdoor.
Of course, why I would want to tell you about the productive hunting spots
used by my family for generations in a public forum where everyone could
see it is beyond my humble intellect to understand.  Suffice to say that
the best rabbit and pheasant country is the Buckle on the Corn Belt.  And
the Whitetails are simply gigantic in Kendall county.

Mary Otto

>					dave
Dave -- By the way, I always hear about 'starving' grad students  -- is
hunting your way of warding off starvation?  Or did you get a grant to
study the physics of hunting?

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>   David Kardelis		| I am the NRA-NRA Life
>   Gradual Student in Physics   |
>   Univ. of Ilinois		|	Looking for a new .SIG
>   dak@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu	|
>   217-333-0505			|
>Not necessarily the views of the ISSC or the UI At UC
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>
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From: mball@ac.dal.ca
Subject: Re: Recommended Hunting Videos
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:24:44 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

>>
> *danger - philosophizing follows*
> I suspect that the fact that very few people process their own deer is
> an indication of how far we (hunters) have fallen into the trap of
> living life in the fast lane.  We want to have the hunting experience
> (a slower pace), but we want it NOW; and don't let it last too long
> because we want to hurry to our next experience.
> 
I think that rather than an indication of life in the fast lane it is
more likely indicative of life in the small apartment. ;-)  I suspect
that many modern hunters lack the facilities, as well as the experience,
to butcher their own deer.  I know I do.

Marty Ball
mball@ac.dal.ca


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Subject: Re: Recommended Hunting Videos
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:02:52 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

   In article <1992Jul20.124822.19203@doug.cae.wisc.edu> robinson@ac.dal.ca writes:
   >The one 
   >book I have which goes into field dressing and butchering rather 
   >graphically is one I've read a couple of times.  

   So... what is the title?  How would you rate the book?

I first learned how to field dress from the video "Field to Feast:
Venison".  (There is a whole field to feast series covering most wild
game but this is the only one I have seen).  Anyways, the video is
very tasteful and helpful.  It covers from the time of the shot,
through field dressing and butchering and to the table.

When I butchered my first deer, I would watch a section, rewind and
watch it again, then go do that section and repeat the process for the
next stage.

I highly recommend this video.

tim
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From: bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Meat Processing
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:27:40 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

> From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
>  
> This brings up something rather interesting:  How many of you process
> (completely butcher) your deer rather than taking it to the local
> meat processing store?  Of all the people that I have personally met
> that deer hunt, I only know 1 other person that processes his own
> deer (besides myself).  To me, it's the last step in the whole hunting
> process (well, maybe eating is the last step).

I try to do my own butchering whenever practical.  Here in Colorado
I hunt Antelope, Deer, and Elk.  Sometimes it is too hot to hang the 
Antelope in the garage for a couple of days so I will take it in to 
the local wild game processor.  They do a pretty good job and will 
usually have your frozen meat ready in 2 to 3 weeks.         

Advantages:
 - frees up some time to get ready for the elk hunt
 - allows a little bit of aging which tends to yield more tender cuts 
 - they will make all sorts of special stuff like summer sausage, jerkey,
   bratwurst, etc.

Disadvantages:
 - a bit expensive
 - they cut it up on a saw so you get bones and bone dust 
 - they don't likely take as much care with keeping all the hair and dirt
   out of the meat.
 - you are not really sure if you got all of your meat or even your own

We always cut up our own deer and elk.  In fact for the past few years we
have been doing the job right in camp.  After a few days hanging we will 
set up some tables during the middle of the day and cut meat.  It is cut, 
wrapped, labeled, and put out to freeze over night.  Next morning it is 
packed in coolers and sent out with the next guy leaving for home.  Berger 
is not frozen but kept cool for processing into whatever back home.  I 
usually mix with cheap fatty beef for bergers and with ground boston butt
for breakfast sausage.


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