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From: rakesh@mame.mu.OZ.AU (Rakesh DESAI)
Subject: Mark Waugh scores 200 n.o. against Windies
Keywords: Mark Waugh, 
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 09:22:38 GMT


This guy is amazing.  After he scored binary runs in Sri Lanka, it was
presumed that his career is reaching premature end.  Out here also in
shield and Mercantile cup it looked as if his brother Steve Waugh is
much better batsman then him.  Just only one chance he gets against
windies when all Patterson, Ambrose and Walsh are firing and Mark Waugh
slams a double hundred.  He has avegage of 70 odd (in tests) against
windies and  in last few tests he scored at avg of around 10.  The way
Steve Waugh struggled last weekend against Bishop (when he got out for
95),  it looks like again Mark Waugh will replace him.

Brief scores on Second Day of all matches

NSW 5/473 decl (M Taylor 102, M Waugh 200 n.o., Steve Waugh 21)
WI 2/55 (Lara 16, Richardson 21, Simmons ?? n.o.)  Rain and bad light
and more of same to come.

Shield
Queensland 9/222 (Hayden 50, Border 71, Merv Hughes 3/51, Dodemaide
2/44, O'donnel 2/8)
vs Victoria

It rained so much that now Melbourne has new swim pool at Junction Oval :-},
still more rain to come.

South Australia 7/368 (Nielsen 109, Scudderi 100 n.o., Young 3/50,
Tucker 2/54) vs Tasmania.

Again rain and bad light.



Team selection  is becoming more confusing with so many people doing
well.  I still insist on Boon at no. 3.  Someone (I think Keith
Stackpole) on ABC agrees with me.  I  believe your best batsmen should
be batting at 3 or 4 who can build inning according to situation.  If
openers take shine off new ball, its better for Boon.

For anyone doubting Border, this was typical Border performance.
Whenever team is in trouble, he is there.  Not many big scores from
Border in last five years should be taken as improvement in Aus XI from
the days when even Kiwis also  developed a habit of thrashing us so often :-}.

rakesh
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From: ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Subject: NZ tour of SL in jeopardy
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:16:25 GMT
Reply-To: ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

      Following the bomb attack which killed the commander of Naval Forces in
Sr Lanka, the NZ touring team players have voted by a majority to return home
immediately. But the NZ cricket board, SL board and the two Governments have
been discussing the ways of salvaging the tour. THe President of NZ board Mr.
Mcdermott is leaving for Colombo and will hold discussions with the players.


K. Sankara Rao                          e-mail ksrao@power.eee.ndsu.nodak.edu

Department of Electrical Engineering
North Dakota State University
Fargo, ND 58105  USA

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From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Patil
Date: 17 Nov 1992 18:01:39 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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This is reagrding Sandip Patil. Someone mentioned
(or I remember that way) that Patril was not given
a chance after the Delhi Test. Actually he went on the 
1986 tour of England immediately after the tour
Down Under. He also played in the ODI's and he did
not do well. In fact in one of the matches he scored
about 12/15 and his fielding was also not good in that
match. It was after that he was not considered by Kapil.
In fact when Jimmy Amarnath was unfit after the first
test at Lords (which India won) Kaps prefered to go 
with Pandit as the additional batsman (along with More
in the team) instead of selecting the team . 
May be it was not enough that he was given just a couple
of matches in ODI to reassert himself and also it
may have hurt his ego that Pandit was selected ahead
of him. But he should have taken heart from Jimmy'
and pushed for his comeback by improving his 
fielding/fitness.
He was one of the more talented batsman at that
time but somehow he was inconsistent and his
performance tapered off.

Bye,

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From: taravade@shark.ecn.purdue.edu (Kunal N Taravade)
Subject: Re: Amre should be dropped for the next test!
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:05:29 GMT

rajesh@quince (Rajesh Raman) writes:

>Naveen Krishna (nkrishna@mcs213e.cs.umr.edu) wrote:
>: 
>: I was surprised to see this sort of an attitude from a fellow Indian (here!!.).
>: Just because there is no player worth mentioning (from TN) now-a-daysis no reason to drop Amre. Raman got his chance and did not prove himself. Amre has. I think we should think of the team as a whole and not state-wise. Ofcourse, there is room only for 11 states to be represented. Why not consider dropping Shastri (dismal performance - I am sure most people with a little knowledge of cricket (all) will agree.
>: 
>: Ravi sorry if I hurt your feelings for TN, but that's the ways thing are and hope will go on
>: 
>: Naveen
>: 

Hey chill out guys!!! Don't you people comprehend
sarcasm??? This was a very witty and sarcastic
article by Ravi. Keep it up, Ravi.


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Kunal N. Taravade
School of Electrical Engineering
Purdue University
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From: slbqz@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re cricket quiz
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:02:47 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Hi, this is in reply to the cricket quiz that was put up. I think I know 
the answers for some of them
G.R Vishy was the only player to recall a test batsman after he was 
given out. The test was the Golden Jubilee  test at Bombay against
England and the Player was Bob Taylor. In fact after that Bob went
on to accompany Botham for a matchwinning partnership.

Dennis Lille was the player who used aluminium bat 

I think it  is C.B.Fry of England who captained both the hockey and
cricket teams. I am not sure. 

The highest wicket taker in Ranji Trophy is Rajinder Singh Goel of
Haryana. He I think took 689 wickets(not sure of the number but the
person is right)
 I think Wes Hall of West Indies was the bowler who gave away 
six byes. (Again not sure)

Sunil Valson was the 12th man at the prudential cup final

I am sorry that i am not able to provide the exact answers for 2 
of them

Rajesh P.R
Slbqz@cc.usu.edu
From: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: First ball dismissal
Keywords: first ball
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:01:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: m.1992Nov18.170128.14293
Reply-To: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

rahin@scs.leeds.ac.uk (M A Rahin) writes:

>If I am not mistaken Boycott was also out once on the first ball by Rodney 
>Hogg during the Packer years in Australia.

Yes, I remember tuning in to Radio Australia and hearing Alan
McGilvray almost going berserk saying "master batsman (??) Geoff
Boycoot, out FIRST ball to Rodney Hogg" and saying that 3-4 times in a
row as if he couldn't believe it... 

>- Rahin

Bharat
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From: rohanc@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rohan Koduvayur Kri Chandran)
Subject: Re: Chinamen and........
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 04:25:14 GMT

In article <921119221035.4e53@charlie.usd.edu> SHARIQ@charlie.usd.edu writes:

>One question I have is that was Bradman dismissed by Eric Hollies the last time
>he stepped onto the cricket field?
>
>shariq@charlie.usd.edu

	Yes, in his final test match innings, Bradman was clean bowled by 
Hollies for a duck.

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From: astley@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au ()
Subject: Austrlian/Tasmanian News
Organization: Computing Centre, University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:36:27 GMT

A few scorecards....

Australian XI v Windies in Beautiful Hobart :)

Aus XI 341

Windies 4/254..Haynes 36, Simmons 106, Richardson 43, Arthurton 24 n/o,
Hooper 22, Logie 15 n/o

Hughes 1/51 from 16, Chris Matthews 0/59 (16), Steve Waugh 1/31 (8), Freedman
0/33 (7), Warne 2/74 (18)


Mercantile Mutual Cup

Vic v Qld

Qld 8/210 from 50 overs.
Barsby 67, Tooley 8, Goggin 44, McDermott 2, Law 3, Border 40 n/o, Storey 1,
Anderson 0, Kasprowicz 14, Rowell 12 n/o.

Fleming 0/43 (10), Dodemaide 2/45 (10), Reiffel 2/33 (10), O'Donnell 0/44 (9)
Sutherland 1/30 (10), Maxwell 1/6 (1)

At one stage Qld were 1/118.. they then became 7/155 before Border rescued them.

Vic
Nobes 86,Dodemaide 22, Jones 41, Larkins 1, Ayres 1, O'Donnell 17, Maxwell 15 
n/o , Reiffel 5, Berry 3 n/o....7/211 from 49.4 overs

McDermott 0/36 (9), Tazelaar 0/24 (7), Rowell 0/31 (7), Storey 1/36 (10),
Border 0/34 (10), Kasprowicz 2/40 (6.4)

4 runouts and errors by the scorers saw Victoria make a mess of a relatively
simple tun chase. They needed 7 to win from the last over but a boundary by
Maxwell saw them home... and some of you reckon Ultra Cricket is unrelaistic! :)

Sheffield Shield
----------------

WA 159
NSW 220... Bayliss 52, McNamara 35... Reid 3/89, Julian 4/50
WA 5/210
Marsh 47, Veletta 28, Langer 14, Moody 34, Lavender 4, Andrews 27 n/o, Zoehrer
33 n/o.
Holdsworth 2/37, Whitney 1/50, McNamara 0/30, Alley 1/28, Matthews 1/31
Mark Waugh 0/30

MCG Unfit for test match!
Yes, AB has been controversial again. He reckons that the MCG should not be
used for the Boxing Dat Test or the Day Night Game in December since the pitch
won't be up to test quality due to centre square alterations. The present
Shield game is being played at the Junction Oval instead of the MCG.
At the monent the centre square is without ANY grass at all......Explains how
the Era do so well in Ultra Cricket! :)

Tassie has named two new players for its first Shield game of the season.
In come ex SA player Colin Miller and 17 year old star Ricky Ponting.
Ponting comes in due to a great start to the season for the Australian Cricket
Academy. He scored 168n/o against Qld 2nd XI and 161 n/o against a SA XI.
He then hit a century for his club side Mowbray in Northern Tassie and a fine
50 for the U-19 Tassie side in a 50 over game the next day.

Miller will make Tassie his third state team after playing for Victoria and SA.
Miller got 5/21 and scored 103 n/o on the weekend for club side Lindisfarne.

The teams for the shield game starting on Friday in Adelaide are...

Tassie, Boon (c), Tucker (vc), Hills, Courtney, Cox, Ponting, Young, Atkinson
Matthews, Miller, McPhee, Farrell (likely 12th man)

SA: Siddons (c), May (vc), Blewett, Fielke, Brayshaw, Bishop, Scuderi, Sleep,
Nielsen, Reeves, Hickey, Webber (likely 12th man)

Tim
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From: pad@sdd.hp.com (Ramchandran Padmanabhan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: First ball dismissal
Date: 18 Nov 1992 11:24:42 -0800
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
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In article <1992Nov18.125735.5687@desire.wright.edu> sturumella@desire.wright.edu writes:
>In article <92323.091531SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>, Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>> several people have been dismissed first ball of a test match. gavaskar has
>> had this honour(?) on 3 occasions- out to geoff arnold(?) at the oval(?) in
>> 1974 (summer of 42), out to marshall at calcutta 83-84 and out to imran at
>> ?? in 85-86.
>> kapildev has had the honour of dismissing a batsman 1st ball of a test match
>> on two occasions- mohsin khan at jullundur, 83-84 and jimmy cook a few days ago
>> 
>> Stay cool,
>> The Thinker
>> 

>Gavaskar was also out first ball in 2nd test between India and Kallicharan's
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>west indies in 1978 at B'lore.
>Gavaskar c. Shivnarain b. sylvester clark  0.
>then Gaekwad and Vengsarkar steadied the innings 
>srinivas
>


  West Indies batted first in the 1978 Bangalore test.
  Therefore this was NOT the first ball of the test match.
                             **********************


  Also Gavaskar had his leg stump uprooted by Holding at Sabina Park 
  in the SECOND innings of the first test in 1983.
From: aa2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Abid Aziz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Pak. Schedule for W.INDIES?
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:18:45 GMT
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

If anyone out there knows Pakistan's schedule for the upcoming Spring
series in the West Indies please post it on the bboard.

THANKS
ABID
From: SHARIQ@charlie.usd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Tendulkar
Date: 20 Nov 1992 13:55:52 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Considering that Tendulkar is only 19 and has at least 8 to 10 years till he 
reaches his peak, he is the most "promising" batsman in the gamme today. I do
thinkk that Lara will be a great batsman in the future but he certainly is not
he most.

shariq@charlie.usd.edu
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: The Pakistanis in Australia
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:29:17 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Nov22.192529.8572@julian.uwo.ca> raza@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed) writes:
>In article <9211220516.12052@munnari.oz.au>, khanzu@ac.wfunet.wfu.EDU (Zaki Khan) writes:
>|>      On stand-by is Test star opener Shoaib Mohammed and wicketkeeper Moin Khan.
>                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Pity :-(
>S.R.Raza.

Surely! I think Shoaib could have won Headingly test (1992) for
Pakistan. I guess he was dropped because the tour is ODI intensive.
Still, Asif Mujtaba has been taken, and he is no Shoaib Mohammad.

Salman [we openers stick together] Azhar

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From: shamim@bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4711,,21273)
Subject: Re: First ball dismissal
Reply-To: shamim@bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Morristown, NJ
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 23:39:41 GMT

In article 4117@memstvx1.memst.edu,  patrinr@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>If I remember right, Gavaskar was out first ball to Imran Khan. That
>was Gavaskar's last series. May be I am wrong. Can anyone clarify.
>
>Narasimha Rao P.

The original assertion was : a batsman playing in his first test match, gets 
out to the first ball of the match. 

Jimmy Cook's dismissal  may in fact be the only instance of such an occurrence. 


	--SAN
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 15 Nov 1992 22:02:45 CST
From: <U58582@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: PRAVEEN AMRE

Are we talking about the same Indian team?
Maybe u are just considering the past few test matches.
Since when did Indian bowlers always bowl well?  Am I missing something?
Didn't thet let Zimbabwe score a world record score on their test debut
just a few weeks ago?
Maybe they should thank the batting for creating the impression that they
are good (at least compared to the batting).
One thing I'd accept, they are probably the world's best batting bowlers.

But I am optimistic too. I hope they'd at least give us an opportunity
to blame the batsmen again by doing a good job at the bowling crease.
From: pieter@ford.ee.up.ac.za
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: SA-India, 5th day after 100 minutes, SA 61/0
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:47:51 GMT
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SA batting. Cook on 39, Hudson on 20. 

Srinath is having problems bowling no-balls and Prabhakar is being hit
by Cook. /dev/kapil looks the best and is swing the ball a lot. Hudson
was caught by Kapil off a Srinath no-ball, but probably because Hudson
heard the call. Cook lokked terrible in the first two overs, then
something clicked and he's not made any mistakes since. The ball was
changed this morning and it looks as although it is going to be
changed again. The Bruces are sending all the bad Cookabura's over
here...

Feeling here is that SA batsmen still have a lot to learn about 5 day
games; such as leaving the balls outside off and not having to score
at the pace they do. 
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From: nas_ps@jsc.nasa.gov (Pradip R. Shah)
Subject: Chinaman Delivery
Reply-To: nas_ps@jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: G.E. Government Services
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:33:25 GMT

Could anyone explain the chinaman delivery (bowler's) ? Thanks.

Pradip Shah General Electric
From: sheth@a.cs.okstate.edu (SHETH UMANG RAJNIK)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Congrats to Amre
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:30:18 GMT
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater


Hearty congats to Amare for his century in debut.  I am sure he will follow examples of Vish and Azar and come up with many more centuries.
In very trying situation he has proved to everybody that he is certainly 
test class material.  I hope everyone in the team gets inspiration from this 
magnificient performance and India will do well on remaining tour.
Atul
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From: sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)
Subject: Re: Stats: Imran Khan vs. Karsan Ghavri (up to 1978)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 08:42:15 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <By5A8L.C82@beach.csulb.edu> pujara@grover.cecs.csulb.edu (Dipen Pujara) writes:
>In article <1ep5bpINNdfc@nyquist.usc.edu>  writes:
>> In article <9211202308.AA12198@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu>  
>B536HIND@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU (C. S. Sudarshana bhat) writes:
>> >Since Murali was wondering how Imran fared chronologically, I thought that
>> >I might as well post what I have.  Though not a whole lot, it does show
>> >why I would have picked Karsan Ghavri over Imran Khan in 1978 (this was just
>> >prior to the Indian team's historic Pakistan tour; also KD's debut series).
>> 
>> >What do you folk think?
>> 
>> 	It certainly wasn't Ghavri's debut series. It was akpil's
>> 	debut series. 
>> 
>> 	Shivanand Bhajekar
>> 
>
>What do you think KD in the initial statement stands for? 
>
>Dipen

Karsan Devjibhai


Sudhama
From: rgajendr@cisco.com (I. Rajeev Gajendran)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: NZ in SL story -continued
Date: 17 Nov 1992 19:59:27 GMT
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THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE APPEARED IN THE SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE 
ON TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 17: Chronicle Wire Services. 

SUICIDE BOMBER KILLS SRI LANKA NAVY CHIEF
----------------------------------------- 
A suicide assassin raced his motorcycle yesterday alongside
a car carrying Sri Lankan naval chief Vice Admiral Clancy Fernando,
then set off a bomb that ripped the auto with pellets and killed 
Fernando and three aides. 
	The blast tore the assailant to bits. The admiral's car
flipped over, and an escort jeep carrying eight sailors was slightly
damaged. 
	Police blamed the assassination on Tamil rebels, who are
fighting for an independent homeland in the north and east of the
nation.
	Sri Lanka's navy has played an increasingly important role 
in trying to contain the nearly decade-old rebellion, which has cost
17,500 lives.
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Azhar and 100's and victories
Date: 20 Nov 1992 15:19:05 GMT
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In article <921119160844.4522@charlie.usd.edu>, SHARIQ@charlie.usd.edu writes:
>India has never womn a match in which Azhar has scored a hundred.I am pretty
>sure of that.
>
>Shariq


India has never won a Test match recently let alone
when Azza scores a century :-)

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From: ABEGLEY@ccmail.sunysb.edu (Anthony M. Begley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Flogging dead chinamen (sic)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 14:50:14 -0600
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               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-2275

                                            Anthony M. Begley
                                            Materials Science
                                            516 632-8516
                                            20-Nov-1992 03:34pm EST
FROM:  ABEGLEY
TO:    Remote Addressee                     ( _rec-sport-cricket@cs.utexas.edu )

SUBJECT: Flogging dead chinamen (sic)                                 


I know one shouldnt flog dead horses as they say, but from my rough
reckoning from 40 messages recived today 5 explained the meaning of the dreaded 
Chinaman and ...

the vote was 3-2 for the ball breaking from right to left, i.e. away from a RH 
bat.

Thus, there must be still some confusion here ...
A lot of this comes from defining a LH bowler in terms of a LH bat (and not a RH 
bat as we all know LH batters are deviants !! :-).) D.I. Gower excepted of 
course.

thus here is some more confusion:

A China man is the name for a delivery bowled by a LH WRIST-SPINNER (not finger
spinner) which is the equivalent of a RH bowlers googly.
i.e. it is not the LH wrist-spinners STOCK ball, which should break L to R (into 
the RH bat).

ERGO, the Chinaman breaks the opposite way, R to L away from a RH bat.
End of discussion, please.

The two who got it wrong assumed the Chinaman was just the LH wrist spinners 
stock ball and not his version of a googly.

Thus the stock ball and Chinaman are bowled with the SAME (seemingly) action, 
thereby fooling the batter. 

All this has nothing to do with the much more common LH finger spinner (the best 
of which was Phil Edmonds -- this is a challenge, folkss --)
who would never dream of bowling WRIST-SPUN Chinaman.

TONY Begley

PS Still noone can name just one LH WRIST spinner !! Surely there must have been 
one somewhere, even if not in test cricket. If so did he have a chinaman?

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