HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: peters@bsc.guild.org (Peter Sleggs)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Problem: Abnormal Program Termination when repling to News Posti
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 17:25:24 EST
Organization: Bellatrix Systems Corp., Mississauga, ONT Canada

vince_m@wacss.anixter.com (Vince Mammoliti) writes:

> I have currently, noticed a problem with my waffle setup.
> 
> When I try to directly mail to a news posting I get an
> Abnormal Program Termination
> (Queued for Internet Delivery)
> 
> Message. I find a copy of the message in the SPOOL/OUTBOX directory
> but the messages doesn't get queued ?
> 
> Any Suggestions ?

Not enough memory is usually the cause when I've seen that message.


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From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: announce: rusnews v0.98 - much better threading
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 22:26:51 MST
Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada
Supersedes: <921227.174854.2p2.rusnews.w164w@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.98

now in pub/incoming, soon in pub/waffle/news, rusn-098.zip is the successor
to rusn-097.zip which you may or may not want.

the standard thing with the "s in the /dir= is hopefully _finally_ fixed
(despite my disbelief that it was even _possible_ that that particular
section wasn't working until it failed in front o' me very eyes)

the threading should be _way_ better - but at the price of memory.  if
you use rusnews0 v0.97 under waffle.exe, you probably will want to keep
a copy of that around, as the number-of-selectable-articles per group has
decreased in v0.98 (it had to be traded off for the threading data)

the treatment of References: lines has also been improved when posting
followups.

it is recommended that almost no one run anything older than v0.98 (except
for those mentioned above, of course, and even then it's not a sure thing)

showing up on remote for anonymous uucp once the humans and mirror programs
get ahold of it.

thanks to Ralph for the disk space.
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From: carlos@carlos
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: HELP! Helldiver, well, wont login
Keywords: Helldiver. MS windows, login
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 23:19:06 -0500
Reply-To: carlos@infoserv.com
Organization: Dominguez UseNet, Brooklyn NY, USA

In <3kRuwB5w165w@cybrspc.UUCP> roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:

>Then it's time to dump your 'customized' version of Waffle, and upgrade
>to a working version.  Besides, the proper entry for node: is _your_
>fully-qualified-domain-name, not your host's.

When my host provides me with a newer version, or I can have someone
locally help me install 1.65, yes I will. This version was given to
me AS-IS.. I take no credit, nor deserve any flames for it's omissions.

>Your headers are still broken, Carlos.

Yes I know, Roy. I have emailed the system folks for a solution, 
I have tried numerous ones and they have failed.

>So _fix_the_problem_!!  Your site is producing articles that do not
>conform to the standards.

Yes I know, and am diligently working on fixing it. If machines that
conform to the RFC standard ditch my sites postings, thats their
perogative. My site will be within RFC standards very soon.

Email is welcomed! Suggestions are encouraged! Flames are not!

... off to consume more caffeine for bedtime..

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From: msingleton@Parthenon.Tacoma.WA.US (Mike Singleton)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: UUCP binary files
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 08:29:29 PST
Organization: Parthenon - Public Internet Access Division - Tacoma,WA.

 I am having some difficulty xfering binaries using UUCP (WAF165) from 
any directory on the remote other than the root (i.e. uunet!~/ ). If the 
file lies in the root, then the file xfers fine, but if any directories 
are placed in the path, then I recieve the error: Remote host refuses to 
create target file. Additionaly, I ran the debug at -x9 and also got SN2 
as the error message. I have tried email with: uux uucp parthe\!~/file
... this also resulted in a permissions failure. Any help would be 
appreciated.



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From: carlos@carlos
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: The Waffle Bowl
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 00:10:52 -0500
Reply-To: carlos@infoserv.com
Organization: Dominguez UseNet, Brooklyn NY, USA

In <8aLuwB2w165w@berry.Cary.NC.US> pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:

>>      ..but waffles aren't eaten in a bowl!

>Mine are.  I use a shallow, flat-bottomed bowl to prevent the syrup from
>slopping over the edges.  (I like a LOT of syrup!)

Gee, I like to eat mine on a paper plate, freshly nuked for that down
home flavor.

Yum!


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From: abolins@visavis.cam.org (August Abolins)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Offline Readers
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:41:22 GMT
Organization: Vis-a-Vis Communications [Ontario+Quebec]

fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:

> In article <mVB6wB1w164w@nzkites.UUCP> foster@nzkites.UUCP (Foster Schucker) 
> |Maybe one 
> |of the native english writers out there could write the ultimate Waffle
> |document: "Everything you MUST know about Waffle for those people who
> |refuse to read the documents." 
> 
> Unfortunately, that document would be as big as all the other documents
> combined; there really isn't a whole lot of stuff in the Waffle docs that
> is not useful to know.

True.  But the "way" some things are written in the present form seem
ambiguous.  For example, the part about signature files could be
explained better.

Foster's suggestion would be a document that targets those areas that
are otherwise poorly explained.  I think there is a FAQ section in one
of the .DOC (can't find where right now), but maybe that section can be
annexed with newer Q&A's.

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: Waffle icon needed
Keywords: Waffle, Windows, icon
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:14:47 GMT

aesmoot@aescon.com (Art Smoot) writes:

>In <7iRSrAZJBh107h@carlos> carlos@carlos writes:
>>Could anyoneout there point out where I could find a suitable
>>"waffle" icon for windows?

>I like my waffles round, like my mom used to make, so here is
>an alternative one.

Well, I dood it.  After years of slamming GUI's, I done got me one.  Now,
does anyone have a waffle icon for DV/X?  An artiste I'm not.

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From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: smart expire
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 18:45:45 MST
Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.99

jhm@hourglas.uucp (Jonathan Hulley-Miller) writes:

> Does anyone have a smart expire program that could be used on news.answers to
> only keep one copy of a FAQ ? Thanks.

if they have Supersedes: headers, you can use any program that takes care
of that situation (I have one here that I wrote myself, but I've seen at
least one posted to c.b.w)

personally, I copy news.answers postings that I want to keep to f:\faq
and then just reference/grep/whatever from there only.

> \/\/     (jhm@hourgls.fidonet.org, jhm@hourglas.uucp)     \/\/
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From: sp@questor.org (Steve Pershing)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Where can I get waffle?
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 12:07:21 PST
Organization: Questor|Free Usenet News|Vancouver, BC: +1 604 681 0670

dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu (Doug P. Book) writes:

|> We would like to try setting up a bbs wth Waffle, and I'm wondering
|> where I could grab it by ftp or some other means.

Waffle 1.65 for DOS is available from our mail-server (along with a lot
of other things, including things for sale).

Send e-mail to:     mail-server@questor.org

and in an otherwise BLANK text body, enter some or all of the following:

get /pub/waffle/waf165.zip
help
dir
quit

The mail-server will automatically send *.zip files uuencoded and broken
up into parts of around 50K.

---
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From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: announce: na-proc v0.6 - error fix only
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 22:25:15 MST
Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.98

now in pub/incoming, soon in pub/waffle/news, naproc06.zip is the successor
to naproc05.zip - this is only a fix of a long-standing error with the
"s in the /dir= lines which was finally fixed (thanks to Otto's insistence)

if the old one was working for you, you almost definitely don't need this one.

showing up on remote for anonymous uucp once the humans and mirror programs
get ahold of it.

thanks to Ralph for the disk space.
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From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: announce: procc v0.5 - smaller memory requirements
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 22:22:28 MST
Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.98

now in pub/incoming, soon in pub/waffle/news, procc-05.zip is the successor
to procc-04.zip which gave a few people grief.  it also should handle /dir=
entries with "s in them, as I was sure it was before (but it wasn't).

if the old one was working for you, you probably don't need this one.

showing up on remote for anonymous uucp once the humans and mirror programs
get ahold of it.

thanks to Ralph for the disk space.
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From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Offline Readers
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 18:47:48 MST
Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.99

frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca writes:

> It took me about an entire evening to configure Waffle.  Then another
> couple days to get everything working perfectly (cron, phone answering,
> polling, etc.).  About a week to get things *real* nice -- external
> commands, ANSI screens, etc.

is it just me, or are these features you're unlikely to be worried about
in an offline reader?  (no matter what you call it)

my opinion is _still_ that a small amount of work could go into packaging
waffle to make it as easy as possible to set up, which would be used for
leaf sites, and other places where you might otherwise be tempted to
inflict QWK on everyone else.

> CIM, on the other hand, took me a total of 15 *minutes* to configure.

[if you pay me compuserve's rates, I'll write you a similar application
that dials your nearest pay-per-minute place.]  this is about the only
advantage that the brain-dead approaches have over rnews/rmail/uucp -
the ease of setup.  and I think that can be overcome (and would be
_well_ worth the effort).

> It was quite pretty, as well.

I'm told helldiver is quite a nice interface as well.  and it wouldn't
take a lot of effort (a lot of stomach medicine, possibly) to make
uucp `pretty'.  the big thing missing here would be the `download files'
aspect - with uucp, your login _just_ runs uucico - it _just_ transfers
files already waiting.

> Yes, Waffle is powerful.  But not everybody wants to run their own
> site.  I wonder how long the people in the MIS department where I am 
> employed would last if they told all their users that if they wanted to 

AGAIN with the analogies.  
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From: roshne@faerun.mi.org (Rod Shelton)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Internet Mailing lists gated to local Newsgroup
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 05:23:24 EST
Organization: The Forgotten One, East Lansing, MI

Could anyone tell me, or point me in the right direction, on how to gate
an internet mailing list into a local newsgroup?

Thanks for your time!

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: squevill@yo_dud.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Stephane Quevillon)
Subject: Reading the news, to quit or not to quit!
Keywords: news read quit
Reply-To: squevill@stam.qe.bell.ca
Organization: OD, Bell Canada
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:50:26 GMT

Hi, here is another one for the experts.

When reading newsgroups, the quit command will not get me back to the main
menu (as described in the docs) but, will jump to the next newsgroup.

If I keep quitting, it keeps scrolling through all the groups and only
after the last does it give me the main menu prompt.

Where did we go wrong, or is this a known bug?
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From: hp@floor.uucp.risc.net (High Priest)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Old XT + Waffle + Fossil + V.32bis = ?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 16:52:44 EST
Organization: The 95th Floor

jeff@amikoj.rn.com (Jeff Kunce) writes:

> The question: my throughput is peaking at ~1100cps (usually 900-1000). My
> feed says I should be getting around 1800 cps. What's holding me up?
> Is it my slow machine? A bad line? Are there magic settings? Should I
> just be happy with 1k cps? All ideas appreciated...

Well, I would be happy with 1000 cps. I'm currently getting 400-500 cps 
on a v.32bis connect from my feed. (UNIX machine)
The admin at my feed says there's nothing he can do, the 'g' protocol is 
simply too inefficient. Is there anything that I can do?
450 cps on a 14,400 connect is pathetic.
Xref: sparky comp.bbs.waffle:5898 comp.bbs.misc:1730
From: morpheus <morpheus@entropy.mcds.com>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: .QWK mail reader for Waffle
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 18:23:01 EST
Organization: No Pity For The Majority!  [private]

system@coldbox.cojones.com (Bryan Lockwood) writes:

> I don't have Jabber. But I have noticed some messages FROM Jabber popping up
> in some of my newsgroups (imported from another network), and apparently
> Jabber uses some non-ASCII quote character that just doesn't show up on my
> Waffle system. This makes some messages (those with lots of embedded quotes)
> awfully hard to read.

From what I remember, that's configurable.. so blame that on user error..

Back to waffle....


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From: rick@vsystem.wimsey.bc.ca (Rick Vandenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Problem: Abnormal Program Termination when repling to News Posti
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 15:11:59 PST
Organization: Vandenberg Systems Research, Vancouver BC

vince_m@wacss.anixter.com (Vince Mammoliti) writes:

> I have currently, noticed a problem with my waffle setup.
> 
> When I try to directly mail to a news posting I get an
> Abnormal Program Termination
> (Queued for Internet Delivery)
> 
> Message. I find a copy of the message in the SPOOL/OUTBOX directory
> but the messages doesn't get queued ?
> 
> Any Suggestions ?

The problem is most likely not having enough free memory.  When sending
mail outside of your site (like to a news posting), Waffle calls RMAIL,
which calls UUX to queue the message.  These two programs together take
up quite a bit of memory on top of Waffle.  You should have at least
140-150K free, maybe a little more.  I know that number because I'm
pushing the limit right now.

Do you run a large disk cache in conventional memory?  If so, try
reducing the size a little bit to see if it helps.

Rick

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From: bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Internet Mailing lists gated to local Newsgroup
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:25:18 GMT
Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA

pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:

> roshne@faerun.mi.org (Rod Shelton) writes:
> 
> > Could anyone tell me, or point me in the right direction, on how to gate
> > an internet mailing list into a local newsgroup?
> 
> From the FAQ List:
> 
> 2. Can I gateway mail to news ?
> 
>         Absolutely.  You need to set up an alias in 'aliases' that
>         looks something like the following:
> 
>         newsgroup-name  | post newsgroup.name

Gating replies is just as easy. In the forums file (local/usenet) place
the line /mod=maillist@mail.list.site, where the entry is the email add-
ress of the maillist.

---
Bob Kirkpatrick <bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us>
Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA
From: John.DeBruyn@p4.f89.n104.z1.fidonet.org (John DeBruyn)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Stuff...
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:32:55 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Forwarded from OtherNets Echo on FidoNet via cs.utexas.edu.  This
temporary mailing list soon to be echo on FidoNet could use some help
from sysops and superusers.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  From: John Debruyn                                 
    To: Adam Michlin                                 
  Subj: Internet Echo Spinoff from OtherNet Echo on FidoNet
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Adam:

 -=> Quoting Adam Michlin to Mark Smith <=-

 AM> I'm hoping to start a new INTERNET echo soon.  It will be an echo for
 AM> novices interested in learning about the Internet.  Until the INTERNET
 AM> echo is started, the Internet will be on-topic in OTHERNETS because,
 AM> as I said, it is an Othernet.

I would like to volunteer a temporary arrangement for exchange of
messages for those interested in learning about the Internet.  I set up
a mailing list on Colorado Super Net. (A mailing list is a Internet
phenomenon which, as you probably know, functions a bit like an echo
except that postings are by email to the host system and distribution of
messages posted also by email.)

Anyone interested can join by sending a netmail message to their Ufgate
or Fredgate node which has access to the Internet.  The body of the
netmail message would read as follows:

TO: majordomo@csn.org

SUBSCRIBE INETFIDO firstname lastname

You might put (this line is not part of the message) two lines between
the first and last lines of the message.  Majordomo is the list sever at
CSN, which is a robot that works a bit like Areafix.  It receives and
remails the messages received to everybody who subscribes.  The first
message sent to each individual who signs up explains how to
unsubscribe.

When the new echo is up and running everybody can move to the new echo.
In the meantime the aggravation of those with a narrow view of what
Othernets is about will be minimized.

Among other things, by subscribing, Internet new comers can learn about
how mailing lists work.

 AM> Hopefully soon to be INTERNET moderator =)

Seconding the motion,

John
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From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: How to redirect output from ALIASES file?
Keywords: dos waffle 165
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:21:13 GMT
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Followup-To: comp.bbs.waffle
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, Ontario, CANADA
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood) writes:

> Here is a thought.  Did you make this program yourself or are you using
> someone else's program?  If you did, then the problem is more than likely
> going to be the program doesn't write standard out.  If not, I'm not sure
> what you can do.  Try redirecting to a file, and then delete the file after.

No, it definitely allows redirection.  When I do it from the command-
line, no problem.  But from the ALIASES file I can't seem to do the
same thing.

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From: dawson@hobbes.bsan.bls.com (Willard Dawson)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Offline Readers
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:42:43 GMT
Organization: BellSouth Systems Integration

david@cssnet.UUCP (J. David Schronce) writes:

>That's why i offer my users a  "pre-configured" mini-version of Waffle 
>for their personal use.  They fill out a form asking such pertinent 
>things as modem port and speed, newsgroups to include, etc... then I 
>custom configure a setup for them, ZIP it and send them a note to 
>download it on their next connect.  POLL.BAT, LOGIN.BAT, SENDFILE.BAT & 
>GETFILE.BAT are all they need to know as they handle all the transactions 
>and maintenance.
>
>Then if they want more, they can DL the full package.

Doesn't that constitute a violation of the licensing agreement?  That is,
redistribution of a portion of the materials.  It was my understanding
that the only file that was excluded from the license was UUCICO.EXE...
... a warm topic on alt.bbs.uupcb.

>
>All the screwdrivers you need - or want....
>
>---dave---
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