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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: How evil are the Republicans?
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 16:34:30 GMT


In article <l9v8gtINNt6e@mizar.usc.edu>
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>In article <1992Aug29.135611.23692@watson.ibm.com> 
>jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:

>> *SMOOCHES*

>*S*M*W*A*C*K* !!!

Yup, I was right.  Here it comes!  Get those treacle shields
up and maxed at once, this stuff gets *very* sticky!

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From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sim? status?
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:02:25 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>On the last point, things are gay if I say they are.

Here we have it people; you can forget the scans, let go of the choice
or born that way stuff, centuries of controversy are hereby settled, Le
Vay is proven a quack: it's all due to Jess.

>Since I am not married as of yet, willing suitors are
>perfectly welcome to try being charming. 

Try? Honey, if they have to _try_, you are wasting your time.

						FJ!!
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Arresting Behavior
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 92 21:48:40 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Jerry Hollombe turns off his TV to ask:

>I've been monitoring soc.motss for a week and, to my amazement, it seems
>I'm the only person here who saw the debut of the TV show "Arresting
>Behavior." Either that, or no one sees any need to comment on it, which
>boggles the mind.

>The show pretends(?) to be a documentary that follows real police officers
>around both on and off duty.  It includes their families and personal
>relationships.

>The debut program spent much of its time on the issue of a pair of lesbian
>officers who were also lovers.  The subject was handled openly, explicitly
>and, IMHO, in a very gay-positive manner.  Dealing with that subject in
>that manner on the debut program made quite a strong statement, IMHO.

>I'd think someone else here would at least like to give them an attaboy or
>two.

>Comments?

>The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)

I've been watching the show, too, Jerry.  Very cute.  The scene with the
clueless cop/brother jogging with his lesbian sister and her girlfriend
was very funny, particularly since they didn't go overboard with the
stereotypical butch/femme angle (just enough to make the cop seem dopey for
not Getting The Clue) and that young cop is a sweet guy and a tasty morsel
to boot.  So were the women, if you're into that sort of thing.  ;-)

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
From: wje00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Warren Jay Eggly)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: A Resolution Regarding Discrimination and Bank of America
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:56:27 GMT
Return-Path: <@juts.ccc.amdahl.com:wje00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>

This Resolution was handed to me Bo Folsom. He is the editor of the "BLADE", a 
Southern California Lesbian and Gay Magazine. I'm just passing the information 
on. If you have any question please call him at (310) 498-6910

  A Resolution Regarding Discrimination and Bank of America

WHEREAS, the Boy Scouts of America provides a significant, meaningful service 
to the youth of the United States, yet needlessly and arbitrarily discriminates 
against broad classes of individuals-namely, atheists and gays; and

WHEREAS, discrimination of any kind whether on the basis of race, religion, 
ethnic, origin, economic class, sex, physical abilities, or sexual orientation 
has no lace in America, and is not supported by the vast majority of American 
people; and

WHEREAS, a number of American based companies and corporations including Levi 
Strauss & Co., Wells Fargo, and various United Way agencies have taken a public 
stand, not against the Boy Scouts, but against institutionalized 
discrimination; and

WHEREAS, Bank of America had initially taken a similar stand, only to reverse 
itself in light of vocal opposition form a tiny minority of its customers, 
citing a mysterious "clarification" of the Boy Scout policies; and

WHEREAS, it is important for all Americans to stand together against 
discrimination and to make their beliefs in fairness and equity known; the

BE IT RESOLVED THAT Monday, October 12, 1992, be declared "National Take It Out 
Day". On that day, businesses and individuals that support American values of 
fairness and equity are encouraged to withdraw funds and/or close their 
accounts at all branches of Bank America, Security Pacific Bank, and Seattle 
First National Bank.

      For More information, contact Bo Folsom, (310) 498-6910
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Gravely Mixed Up
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 03:17:21 GMT


In a long article I won't bother to cite, John Graves, who
is a Christian minister, says, of me:

>While I have chided you on religious issues before, I don't
>in any manner wish to discriminate against you because of
>your nonreligious (what I would call religious) beliefs.

Exactly *what* "nonreligious beliefs" are you referring to,
I wonder?  I'll speak to the rest of your statement when
you've answered.

<> What we see depends on mainly what we look for.
<> -- John Lubbock
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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Correspondence
Date: 1 Sep 92 07:21:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Sep1.072148.8985
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

>Corresponding with some of the motss folks has been enlightening 

Lately, corresponding with the motss folks has been even more
enlightening for me than before. On a personal level, not so much
intellectually (although that, too). I think some of it has to do with
the con, my realizing that people out there really are more than
whatever 7 bit communications come over the wire to me. I hope one day
soon digitized voice becomes practical.

I've had these wonderful, intimate discussions about matters that are
important to me emotionally, both in e-mail and in postings to motss.
Discussions of interpersonal relationships, sexuality, sexual
practice, literature, postmodernism, ... Significant conversations.

It's been really good for me. I thank the motss group, in general, for
providing this for me.

(School started for me today, and I am concerned that I am not going
to have time to keep up at this level.)
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/        It's a sky blue sky, the satellites are out tonight
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Josh Simon <jsimon@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: The Silent Majority (was: other stuff)
Originator: jsimon@sushi.convex.com
Reply-To: jsimon@convex.COM (Josh Simon)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:27:14 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <71783@apple.Apple.COM> mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>
>>>>Nelson, isn't it?  He sounds, in a word: *yummy*
>>>He *is* yummy.
>>I'm told that I taste good with mango juice, as well.
>Tell me, tell me!  Where is the mango juice dripped for best effect?     

If you'd've been at motss.con.v (Portland), at the beach, you could've found
out.  (Alas, I only got to munch mango from Nelson's hand.  Slurp.)

And agreed: Mangoed Nelson is yummy.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: christian anti-homophobia resource
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: A new newsletter "Beyond Heterosexism"
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Distribution: soc
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 15:57:04 GMT

I want to let those who might be interested, know about some things
a friend of mine is doing in anti-homophobia education.
Mary Jo Osterman, formerly the director of KinHeart women's
center in Chicago, is now in Boulder Colorado.

I believe she will be offering various services in the area of
anti-homophobia education. In particular she is starting a
newletter, the blurb for which says:

 "Beyond Heterosexism"
 Resources for a Reconciled World
 A Bimonthly Source Letter for Church Professionals
 Working on Homobhobia & Heterosexism

 - Sermon Ideas - Based on Lectionary
 - Analysis and Vision Articles
 - Liturgy & Bible Study Ideas (based on Christian Year)
 - Workshop Ideas
 - Childrens Sermons
 - Much more!

Subscriptions are $18, ($15 for charter subsciptions before 10/1/92)
sample copies will be $4.

Her business address is:

  Alter Visions
  P.O. Box 2374
  Boulder Colorado 80306

I know soc.motss people have ample reason to be dubious about Christianity.
Mary Jo has a very good record of doing anti-homphobia training workshops 
for a variety of groups inside and outside churches , so I expect the 
resources she produces could be useful.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Gay names
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 10:15:05 GMT


In article <1992Aug25.230353.714@calmasd.prime.com>
jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop) writes:

>In article <1992Aug21.140916.3978@macc.wisc.edu>,
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>> Not directly on the topic, I *despised* the name Jess until
>> I was about 20.  It was my father's name, and I certainly
>> didn't like him.  I didn't much care for being Jesse James
>> (the outlaw; my middle name is in fact Claire) in grade
>> school or other variants later on.  

>I'll bet the taunts were endless considering what a hot news
>item Jesse James must have been in those days.  

Bravo, your Emminence!  A genuine Good One!  However, the
*hot* news was Frank, in my book.

>And just what was Thomas Jefferson *really* like?

Like nothing we've seen recently, I assure you.

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From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Morrison & Foerster: any comments?
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:26:37 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <1992Aug21.005221.27578@PacBell.COM> lxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM (Lee Fogel) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.181826.20072@leland.Stanford.EDU> wjw@leland.Stanford.EDU (Wilhelmus Johannes Wytenburg) writes:
>>
>>A general question to all the motssies out there:
>>Does anyone have any info about or experience with
>>the EOE/non-descrimination policy of the law firm
>>Morrison & Foerster?  Any comments about good, bad,
>>or indifferent experiences are welcomed.
>
>My wife works for them and she has often commented on
>how gay-positive they seem to be.

Isn't there usually a MoFo contingent in the Parade? Or
is that a different law firm?

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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Hey you!  FAQ Master!  (was Re: Ball Snaps and Calla Lillies, and a game.)
Date: 2 Sep 1992 01:15:05 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

Sorry to bother you, but this really should be added to the
soc.motss FAQ:

In article <parfo40@fido.asd.sgi.com> 
pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs) writes:

> It's like I always tell my friends. Oh yes, I tell them 
> "Now you just go straight to Arne's threads and skip all that other drivel.  
> No point in wasting your day on those other silly-nilly topics."

Thanks, FAQ.master.

XXX

Arne


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 24 Aug 92 01:28:59 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.


(me)
>I have gotten several pieces of email from various folks
>who are "silent lurkers" on this newsgroup;

(it)
/Ah, there it is at last!  The classic ploy of the paranoid
/(speaking of fantasies).

Hardly.  I would post them, but unlike you, I respect personal privacy.
None of these individuals has given me permission to post their thoughts.
Not even anonymously.



(me)
>Sort of like a pack of jackals . . .

(it)
Jackals at least have loyalty. 

No they don't.  Their only loyalty is to themselves.  And occasionally
to other jackals.  Until the other jackal's back is turned, that is.



(me)
>the chief posters on soc.motss regard this newsgroup as
>their private property, and god help anyone who posts
>something contrary to the Accepted Truth (TM).

/(it)
/Ah, the Cabal fantasy again.  Now the plain fact is, Butch,
/that for some days, the chief poster to this group has
/been you (and *lord*, talk about *tedium*!), 



What I have been doing for "some days" pales in comparison
to what some folks have been doing for months.

But you are correct; I have been busy.  Life is fun.  

And crossing swords with you is definitely NOT the most 
mentally taxing thing I've ever done, let me tell you.




/(it)
/and it's
/also plain to see that you think Accepted Truth is your
/exclusive province, hence you've trademarked it.


Nope.  That trademark belongs to you folks.  I just quoted
it for proper attribution.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: boobs
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:47:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.202937.21238@cis.ohio-state.edu>, amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
> while we're on female body parts and hippophiles: how about a hymn or
> two to women's hips and hip bones?  

The Talking Heads had a song with the lyrics "The world
moves on a woman's hips," which I've always known to be
true.  I might even be able to tell you which woman.
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: steven@cray.com (Steven Levine)
Subject: Re: Gay names
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:27:52 CDT

In article <87002@netnews.upenn.edu> foye@unagi.cis.upenn.edu
 (Rob Foye) writes:

>Then, of course, there's Jan Brady (you know, the middle sister on The
>Brady Bunch). Sure, she got married in later incarnations of the show, but
>didn't you always wonder about her?

The anthology _Voyages Out 2_, a collection of lesbian short
fiction by Julie Blackwomon and Nona Caspers, includes a
very funny little story by Nona Caspers called "When I First
Kissed Marsha from the Brady Bunch on the Lips and the Truth
about Why the Series Ended."  The narrator's older sister
tells her that Marsha Brady is a lesbian.

   "Now I wondered... was this the real reason for Marsha
    Brady's vague phony interest in the boys she was supposedly
    dating and not, as I once feared, that Marsha Brady was
    a vague phony character?"

In Ms. Caspers's fictional universe, then, it is Marsha who is
the lesbian.  Jan is the cocaine addict and professional
dominatrix.  ("`Oh Jan, is that all?' Mrs. Brady said,
and gave her a hug.")

Makes sense to me.

Steven Levine
steven@cray.com
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: memorial wishes
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 19:56:45 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <64496@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug23.190426.15454@spdcc.com>

Steve Dyer whines:
>(George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>I feel that if someone wants their death to be celebrated in a certain way,
>>it should be done as *exactly* as possible, without addition or
>>improvisation.
>
>Gawd, a strict constructionist.

Absolutely.  "Last wishes" have a lot of importance to some of
us, and I think it is the *HEIGHT* of insensitivity and arrogance
to go about changing someone's declared last wishes just because
*YOU* don't like them, for whatever reason.  If someone doesn't
like the fact I want some Metallica played at my sendoff, they
don't have to attend.

>>At the risk of starting that eternal flame war
>>perfectly welcome to have as many as you want at yours.
>>again, I don't see drag queens of any type at this event; you're
>>perfectly welcome to have as many as you want at yours.
>
>Well, what are gay bikers, if not drag queens of a sort?

To borrow the words of any number of those who ride, "If I have to
explain, you'll never understand."  On the other hand, perhaps
you've never met any *real* bikers who are gay other than Ken
Dykes. Would you call *him* a "drag queen"?
 
() Hermits have no peer pressure.
()      -- Steven Wright
-----
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[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: A Visit to Ireland
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 23:23:50 GMT


I flew back to Ireland a couple of weeks ago after my
brother-in-law's sudden death, to attend the funeral and
spend some time with my sister and her young children.

A few observations stick in my mind and may be of interest.

My brother-in-law was a scout leader for the Scouting Assn.
of Ireland, a co-ed, inter-denominational organization
(still quite rare in 95+% Catholic Ireland), so I met many
scouts, leaders and parents while I was there.  I was struck
by their enthusiasm for the organization, which is fairly
new, and their feeling that in bringing together boys and
girls, Catholics, Protestants and Jews, they can make a better
future for their children and for the country.  They all
spoke of inclusion, and working together to make change.  When
those scouts formed a guard of honor and escorted the hearse
to the edge of the village where my sister and her husband
made their home, I looked at their young faces showing a
mixture of pride and loss, and thought they made a monument
anyone would be proud to have mark their memory.

My relatives of my parents' generation (my parents themselves
died many years ago) are mostly quite devout Catholics, in
their sixties and seventies.  They've lived all their lives
in a country where change is rarely welcomed, where it's
expected that people will live their lives the way their
parents did, where mothers stay home to raise children, and
where a young man without inclination to marry either joins
the priesthood or emigrates -- to England or America.  Each
one of those relatives embraced me outside the church where
the funeral was held, asked me how I was doing, asked about
my lover, Ted, and expressed genuine disappointment that he'd
been unable to travel with me to be there.  I thought that
was remarkable.

On a less serious note, I was delighted to find that my
14-year-old nephew's second-favorite subject at school
(after computers :-)) was Home Economics, and my 9-year-old
niece refuses to wear skirts and plays rugby... :-)
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Final Arrangements (was Re: Quilt)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 15:06:02 GMT


In article <92235.135858SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> >From:
SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET (Jack Carroll) writes about the funniest
(and funnest) posting I can imagine on the topic of Final
Arrangements.  Part of the fun turns on the sadness and
seriousness we typically associate with dying, part in
poking fun at the tendency -- perhaps something like a
universal one -- to take ourselves too seriously.

>Part of those plans included what I felt to be an
>appropriate memorial service - totally planned by Yours
>Truly and leaving absolutely no room for anyone else to horn
>in...I thought.

>I even made a tape of the music I chose and gave it to my
>lover to save for The Day.

>A few days later Lover comes over one night and with no
>warning hands me the tape and says, "Get yourself another
>funeral director."

>"Why, what's the matter?" says I very much crestfallen.

>"I can handle the Alice In Wonderland bit coming right after
> the selection from Molly Bloom's soliliquy, but I will not
> stage manage a production that opens with B.B. King singing
> "The Thrill is Gone" and ends with the Kyrie from Obrecht's
> Missa Fortuna Desperata.  Where do you want me to stage
> this, Jack, Stonehenge?  This is just a fucking funeral not
> a panorama of Civilization and Its Discontents."

But Jack, Stonehenge would be a *great* place for it!  With
suitable production values, the event could be taped and
used to raise money for all sorts of worthy causes.

>I'm still doing the rewrites.

Perhaps you will consider alternate versions for various
places around the world.  For your Final Appearance on
Broadway, if could be billed as Hello Dolly, or the Carroll
Chaining Story.  At Stonehenge, perhaps Jack in the Bronze
Age, a medieval mystery play (I will lend you my cast of
characters, who are: Penis Rex, the King; Vagina Regina, the
Queen; Urethra, a purveyor of questionable liquors; Scrotum,
a wrinkled old retainer; Simple Simony, the bishop; and
Sputum, a Flemish outcast.)

Please do drop, dewdrop, clever hints on how the script is
developing as you go along.

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