HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cjt1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Charles Ten Brink)
Subject: Re: Tsathoggua
Reply-To: cjt1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:47:42 GMT

In article <1689CE9B8.ADELEKTA@kentvm.kent.edu> ADELEKTA@kentvm.kent.edu writes:
> Does anyone if that's the "Saint Toad" mentioned in the Illuminatus trilogy? I
>seem to remember someone running into, er, "him."

Yes, Saint Toad is specifically identified as Tsathoggua in the portion
of the trilogy dealing with 000005's mission in Fernando Poo.

>(If any hardcore Lovecraft fans haven't read the Illuminatus trilogy by Robert
>Anton Wilson and Robert Shea, I would suggest it. There are references to stuff
>of Lovecraft's everywhere - and besides, it's a great book.)

The references are not just to Lovecraft's works, and the Mythos, but 
Lovecraft himself appears in the novel, and it is hinted that his early
demise is a result of his writing too plainly about things that no man
was meant to know.
--Chuck Ten Brink

-- 
D'Angelo Law Library         "The dogmas of the quiet past are
cjt1@midway.uchicago.edu      inadequate to the stormy present. . .
uclcjt1@uchimvs1              We must disenthrall ourselves. . ."
From: scotts@math.orst.edu (Scott Settlemier)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Re: Words in the Ancient Tongue of R'lyeh
Keywords: Cthulhu, R'lyeh, Great Old Ones, Lovecraft
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:25:12 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University Math Department

I couldn't resist messing with this program to make it produce
nicer output and take an argument for the number of words. So
here it is...
/* This is a really neato program to make rlyehtalk */
/* beginning right about now... */
/* ------------------- CUT HERE ----------------- */

#include <time.h>
#include <stdio.h>

#define HEXM 666
#define HEXN 13
#define MAXL 77
#define FALSE 0
#define TRUE 1
#define TOT 6+10+11+6+6+8+5+8

int nalea(b)
int b;
{
   return ((int) ((rand()>>16)*b/32768));
}

int is_vowel(c)
char c;
{
   return (c=='a'||c=='e'||c=='i'||c=='o'||c=='u');
}

/* To add names, add as below and change TOT accordingly. */
char symb[TOT][3]={
   "a", "z", "a", "th", "o", "th",
   "sh", "u", "b", "n", "i", "gg", "u", "r", "a", "th",
   "n", "y", "a", "r", "l", "a", "th", "o", "t", "e", "p",
   "c", "th", "u", "l", "h", "u",
   "h", "a", "s", "t", "u", "r",
   "y", "o", "g", "s", "o", "th", "o", "th",
   "y", "u", "gg", "o", "th",
   "t", "s", "a", "th", "o", "gg", "u", "a"
};

main(argc,argv)
int argc;
char **argv;
{
   int i,l,ncons,deb_phr,fin_phr,ct,num_words;
   char *s,phr[256],*strcat();

   if (argc>1)
      sscanf(argv[1],"%i",&num_words);
   else
      num_words=HEXN;
   num_words=(num_words<1||num_words>HEXM)?HEXN:num_words;
   srand((int) time(NULL));
   deb_phr=TRUE;
   fin_phr=FALSE;
   ct=nalea(3)+nalea(3)+nalea(3)+3;
   l=0;
   do {
      if (!(ct--)) {
         fin_phr=TRUE;
         ct=nalea(3)+nalea(3)+nalea(3)+3;
      }
      for (phr[0]=ncons=0,i=nalea(5)+6;i>=1;i--) {
         while (!is_vowel((s=symb[nalea(TOT)])[0])&&ncons>1);
	 ncons=is_vowel(s[0])?0:++ncons;
         strcat(phr,s);
      }
      if (deb_phr) {
	 phr[0]+='A'-'a';
	 deb_phr=FALSE;
      }
      if (fin_phr||!(--num_words)) {
         strcat(phr,".");
         fin_phr=FALSE;
         deb_phr=TRUE;
      }
      if ((l+=(strlen(phr)+1))<MAXL)
         printf("%s ",phr);
      else {
	 printf("\n%s ",phr);
	 l=strlen(phr)+1;
      }
      if (deb_phr) {
         printf("\n\n");
	 l=0;
      }
   } while (num_words);
   exit(0);
}

/* Original code by: Camille le Monies de Sagazan    */
/* Minor tweaks by: Stephen Beitzel & Ilsa Van Hook  */
/* Still more meddling by Thorgrim Hove.             */

/* ------------------- CUT HERE ----------------- */
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From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Brett McInnes)
Subject: Re: DREAMLANDS GEOGRAPHY AND OTHER OXYMORONS
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:28:35 GMT

2y16mulsoffr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
: ABOUT LENG BEING IN CENTRAL ASIA:

Leng Kee [=Key?] is a suburb of Singapore.
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From: gairns@ccrs.emr.ca (Jamie Gairns)
Subject: Re: Clark Ashton Smith
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:49:07 GMT

	CAS is one my FAVOURITE writers, perhaps even more so than
	HPL.  Also, Lord Dunsany.  I've managed to pick up several
	CAS and Lord Dunsany paperbacks.  The stories are more
	mystical and 'fantasy' (oops, did *I* say that ?).

	I can find out some of the names of his books, if anyone's
	interested ?  I even have a book called 'Emperor of Dreams'
	which is a CAS, hardcover bibliography of his works.
	Even his poetry is fantastic.

James 'Oh no, not another rubbery winged creature' Gairns
	gairns@ccrs.emr.ca
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From: donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Deicide's "Dead By Dawn"
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:53:09 GMT

Deicide's song "Dead by Dawn" is a reference to the movie "Evil Dead 2: Dead by 
Dawn", not any specific Lovecraft reference. The film has the necronomicon
in it, but it is hardly Lovecraftian, with no references to any of the
Mythos deities.
					--Judex--

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From: rau@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Drivvt)
Subject: Re: Cthuloid Music...
Organization: Menzoberranzan Computer Networking
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:39:27 GMT

If anyone knows what a .mod is, there's a necronomicon.mod for ftp at
wuarchive.wustl.edu.

-- 
Drivvt Daermon N'a'shezbaernon (Drow)   /\ Utah Saints? You mean Mormons, right?
Menzoberranzan  Computer  Networking /\/' \ Live for CPU time, die for CPU time.
rau@ucsu.colorado.edu               /' \'' \ Where would I be without IBM? InSoc
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ n''''' \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
From: garcia@husc10.harvard.edu (Javier Garcia-Torres)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Re: DREAMLANDS GEOGRAPHY AND OTHER OXYMORONS
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:58:18 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Nov12.112939.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> mgrossman@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>
>Or it's possible that when the corpse eating cult was driven into the
     mountains
>of Tibet (or wherever, and assuming they were driven), they thought they had
>come to Leng, since they only had a vague description of what Leng was (racial
>memories, maybe?  The elder things did keep humans as slaves).

	Did they, though?  The only connection I recall was that the failed
genetic experiments of the Elder Things( the guys who lived in that city
in the Mountains of Madness) accidentally started the evolutionary
processes which eventually led to reptiles, birds, and mammals.  Please
correct me if I'm wrong.

>So what made the city dissapear?  The Great Ones, maybe?  After all, they
>wouldn't want explorers mucking around at the very feet of Kadath. 
>They might have just asked Nyarlathotep to put them somewhere else.

	If you mean Great Old Ones when you say Great Ones, I would think
that they would simply (step on/rend limb from limb/devour) any explorers that
came too close to Kaddath.  That's just in my humble opinion, though.  
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From: steevesm@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Call of Cthulhu RPG
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:07:44 GMT

Sounds like us....  We ran through a scenario where the party got stranded in
a farm with a dead car.  Unbeknownst to us, the farmer made some pacts with
the "devil", or so he thought.  The farmer was quite insane, and the plants on
his farm were quite alive.  We used the phone to call, and ended up fighting 
the plants to escape alive (only one character made it).  We got neat lines
like "you wrestle the corn for the knife", and "The sunflower will fire the shot
gun at you.  You're lucky that sunflowers can't use shotguns...<die roll>...
Apparently this one can"..........

Not fun for us, but loads of fun for the GM.....

The whole game is in the Lovecraft mode.  Lot's of player death and insanity.

-darkelf
-----
"I have no brother, am like no brother;
 And this word "love", which the greybeards call divine,
 Be resident in men like one another
 And not in me.  I am myself alone."
	-Gloucester, Henry VI Pt. 3
-----
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From: James Petts <pettsj@visigoth.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: WHO OWNS CTHULHU?????
Organization: No Affiliation
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 07:59:22 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1



In article <Bx85Lr.Iny@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au> Mark Fernee,
fernee@newton.physics.uq.oz.au writes:
>Yog Sothoth was an elder god and is considered bad
>karma if it ever set foot on earth.

If Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson are to be believed, Yog-Sothoth is 
already here on earth!

James Petts

+--------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
|  "If I had all the money I've spent  |  pettsj@cix.compulink.co.uk   |
|   on drink I'd spend it on drink."   |  pettsj@visigoth.demon.co.uk  |
+---------- Sir Henry Rawlinson -------+-------------------------------+
From: nephilim@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Re: Cthuloid Music...
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:43:39 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Oct27.064338.25835@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, rakowski@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dakimh) writes:
> Hmm.. Talking about music Inspired by Cthulhu.... Anyone ever heard of 
> Morbid Angel?  Yeah.. it's rather Heavy metal.. (well, Death Rock would be
> a better way of describing it)  But anyways, just about all their songs on
> the CD Altars of Madness deal in some way with Ancient Ones, or SPECIFICALLY
> to Cthulhu, Pazuzu, etc....  In thier song, Lord of All Fevers and Plague,
> they say:
> Ia Ia sakkath Ia sakkath
> Ia shaxul Ia Kingu Ia Ctulu
> Ia Ella Ia Azabul
> Interesting, eh?  It opens with: Ninghizada, Open my eyes, Ninghizada, hear
> my cries... That's pretty Lovecraftian, I'd guess.... 
> -Dave
> 
I don't know if you guys out there heard of Fields of The Nephilim?
They have a song called Psychonaut.  Carl McCoy Sings, 'Pray for me, Cthulhu!'
Check them out!


Marcus
From: bu345@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matt Holliman)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Re: Cthuloid Music...
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:39:51 GMT
Reply-To: bu345@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matt Holliman)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, isaac@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder) says:

>
> > Deicide's "Dead by Dawn" is about the Necronomicon: 'Book of the
> > dead, pages bound in human flesh [sic], feasting the beast, from the
> > blood the words are said, I am unseen, dreamt the sacred passage
> > aloud, trapped in a spell, of the Necronomicon', etc etc.
>
>Well, "Dead By Dawn" is the subtitle of the movie "Evil Dead 2", which was
>about evil spirits being released by the reading of a book called the
>NECRONOMICON.  Not HPL's book, though.  This sounds like what Deicide is
>referring to.
>
>Let's not forget GWAR, though.  Hell, Cthulhu's "dead but dreaming", and
>after all it was GWAR that KILLED HIM!
>
>

Deicide has a song called "Dead But Dreaming," which is on their newest
album, Legion.  I believe this is based on the story of Cthulhu, but I
don't have the lyrics to the song at hand so I'm not sure about this.
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From: morpheus@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Morpheus Nosferatu)
Subject: even more R'lyeh c code
Organization: Netherworld Dreamscape
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:21:58 GMT


for those who want a larger sample of cthulhoid words for these programs
that are suddenly appearing from nowhere (could ol' tentacle-face have
anything to with it?  naw...), here are words I dug up from various
unnamable tomes....

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

#define TOTA 4+8+6+8+4+6+5+6+4+5
#define TOTB 4+4+9+4+6+5+4+1+2+5
#define TOTC 5+4+5+3+10+5+7+3+4+4
#define TOTD 5+5+10+7+6+7+7+6+8+2
#define TOTE 2+2+7+4+7+3
#define TOT  TOTA+TOTB+TOTC+TOTD+TOTE

char symb[TOT][3] = {
"a", "bh", "o", "th",
"a", "tl", "a", "ch", "n", "a", "ch", "a",
"a", "z", "a", "th", "o", "th",
"b", "u", "gg", "sh", "o", "gg", "o", "g",
"b", "ya", "kh", "ee",
"ch", "th", "o", "n", "ia", "n",
"c", "th", "u", "gh", "a",
"c", "th", "u", "l", "h", "u",
"cy", "ae", "gh", "a",
"d", "a", "g", "o", "n",

"dh", "o", "l", "e",
"fh", "t", "a", "gn",
"gh", "a", "t", "a", "n", "o", "th", "o", "a",
"gl", "aa", "k", "i",
"gn", "o", "ph", "k", "e", "h",
"h", "a", "st", "u", "r",
"h", "y", "dr", "a",
"ia",
"ia", "l",
"i", "th", "a", "qu", "a",

"ll", "oi", "g", "o", "r",
"m", "i", "g", "o",
"n'", "gh", "a", "gh", "aa",
"n'", "g", "ai",
"n", "ya", "r", "l", "a", "th", "o", "t", "e", "p",
"n", "yo", "g", "th", "a",
"pn", "a", "k", "o", "t", "i", "c",
"pn", "a", "th",
"r'", "l", "ye", "h",
"sh", "a", "gg", "ai",

"sh", "a", "nt", "a", "k",
"sh", "o", "gg", "o", "th",
"sh", "u", "b", "n", "i", "gg", "u", "r", "a", "th",
"sh", "u", "dd", "e", "m'", "e", "ll",
"t", "ch", "o", "t", "ch", "o",
"t", "i", "nd", "a", "l", "o", "s",
"ts", "a", "th", "o", "gg", "u", "a",
"w", "e", "nd", "i", "g", "o",
"y'", "g", "o", "l", "o", "n", "a", "c",
"yh", "ah",

"yi", "g",
"yi", "th",
"yo", "g", "s", "o", "th", "o", "th",
"yu", "gg", "o", "th",
"z", "o", "th", "o", "mm", "o", "g",
"zh", "a", "r"
};
From: ugabarra@mcl.ucsb.edu (Il Viaggiatore)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Just a little funny trivia
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:25:12 GMT

i was watching darkwing duck today and discovered something i thought was
kind of funny..  morgana's (sp?) magic book is a talking book that introduced
itself as "the necronomicon, the forbidden tome of the ancients, ..."  or 
something like that..  i just thought it was a little interesting..

cya l8r >8=;==;==---'

	Il Viaggiatore

PS	about my horror survey results, i am waiting until after teh opening
of Dracula to get a few more back in person and then i will tally the results
and write up something to present them here..
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From: sbeitzel@netcom.com (Stephen Beitzel)
Subject: Re: denneker and Hali / Cascade
Keywords: cascade, favor, Hastur, ulp
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:39:54 GMT

>In article <BxHE7t.3Iw@willamette.edu> ehenness@willamette.edu (Ethan D. Hennessey) writes:
>>  I just wanted to see how many different quotes from previous users we could
>>get into the same message.
>>
>>-Ethan

Please don't.  If you want to do that, try alt.cascade.

>
>Mike Swaim            | Canada will become the next world power
>swaim@owlnet.rice.edu | and they will work to ENSLAVE all the nations
>Disclamer: I lie      | of your planet. -Ricardo
>Hastur Hastur Hastur Hastur Hastur Hastur Hastur Hasdtr yy['u [{}_+

There, now I've quoted your .sig.  Don't say nobody ever did anything for
you! :)

-- 
Stephen Beitzel        | "Jack the sound barrier.   | Disclaimers are for 
<sbeitzel@netcom.com>  | Bring the noise."          | sucks; these opinions
<sbeitzel@wet.com>     | - Neal Stephenson          | belong to EVERYONE!
From: melchar@shakala.rahul.net (Barbara Haddad)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: test post
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:09:00 GMT
Organization: Shakala - (Clan Zen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA 1-408-734-2289


     Forgive me for the post; but someone please e-mail me back to let me 
know if I'm here or only think I am.  :)  Thanks.

------------------------------------------------------------------
Barbara Haddad  
melchar@shakala.rahul.net or shakala!melchar@clubzen.fidonet.org 
Shakala - (Clan Zen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA 1-408-734-2289
From: pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Re: denneker and Hali
Keywords: bierce
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:35:40 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <1992Nov5.200715.11308@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
>In article <Bx8Hov.Hpn@rice.edu> swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim) writes:
>>In article <Bx7vGC.7tG@news.iastate.edu> pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander) writes:
>>>Marion Zimmer Bradley has a Darkover series of SF novels.  One of the major
>>>dieties is named H****r (whom I'd rather not name on this newsgroup).
>>
>>Why not?
>>
Well, if you want, you can try explaining to an enraged Chthulu Cycle Deity
that you weren't talking about him but about someone else of the same name.
I'd rather do something less dangerous, like playing Russian Roulette with 5
out of the 6 chambers loaded..

>
>I thought that Hastur, as used in the Darkover series, was more of
>a Darkover family Name. But yea, there is a lake of Hali on Darkover
>too. 
>Hastur!
>PAX, I tell you, PPPAAAAAXXXXX!
>
>					--Judex--
>
As I recall, the Darkover mythology has Aldones at the top.  His son was
Hastur, who sired seven sons, who gave their names to the Seven Domains,
the home of their children.  Vaguely reminiscent of the 12 Tribes of Israel.

Paul Hollander    pholland@iastate.edu
Behold the tortoise: he makes no progress unless he sticks his neck out.
(CHOP!  Head flies off, blood spirts, ghouls and ghasts feed.)
From: sloth@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak)
Subject: Re: Tsathoggua
Organization: Starry Wisdom Church, Fernando Poo
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:10:39 GMT

Brett McInnes (matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg) wrote:
: Who is Tsathoggua?

Thashoggua is also known as Saint Toad, is worshipped by the Starry
Wisdom Church, and seems to have something to do with shoggoths.

(Mind you, I first read about Thashoggua in the Illuminatus! trilogy,
which contains a rather unorthodox Cthulhu mythos, i.e., Yog-Sothoth is
the Eater of Souls, and not the Gateless Gate, Azathoth is a black
faceless flute player, etc.)

- Yasthagguoshth

               //\\--x
        \\___//   //\\
     > / 0 --\---//  \\
      | o =( [|}      xx	Smile! Cthulhu loves you!
      | o =( [|}
     > \ 0 --/ --\\
        //~~~\\    \\_-_-_-o\
               \\
          xx  //
            \\

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From: mlabossi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael C LaBossiere)
Subject: Strange Eons (Chaosium)
Summary: Forthcoming Adventure Book for CoC
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:55:49 GMT

Hi,
    Chaosium will be putting out a multi-temporal adventure book called Strange
Eons some time soon. It should be quite good, like Chaosium releases always 
are, so if you are a CoC player, Keeper or just like HPL, look for it within a 
few months. (I wrote one of the adventures for it, but do not receive 
royalties, I just beleve that it will be well worth purchasing).
Thanks
Michael C. LaBossiere
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From: James Petts <pettsj@visigoth.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: denneker and Hali
Organization: No Affiliation
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:02:28 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
     <1992Nov4.225526.11706@leela.cs.orst.edu>



In article <Bx7FtK.1q4@acsu.buffalo.edu> Richard M. Romanowski,
rmr@acsu.buffalo.edu writes:
>In nomine Yog-Soggot, sub umbra alarum tuarum...

Ohmigod!!!!!!!

Sub Umbra Alarum Tuaram was the motto of my school...

I'm doomed, doomed, just like those of Sarnath.

James Petts

+----------------------------------------+-----------------------------
--+
|   "If I had all the money I've spent   |   pettsj@cix.compulink.co.uk  
|
|    on drink I'd spend it on drink."    |   pettsj@visigoth.demon.co.uk 
|
+----------- Sir Henry Rawlinson
--------+--------------------------------+
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From: C521832@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu
Subject: Re: : denneker and Hali
Organization: University of Missouri at Columbia, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:39:53 GMT
X-Posted-From: mizzou1.missouri.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Chambers lifted the names "Carcosa," "Hali," and "Hastur" from Bierce, notably
his story "An Inhabitant Of Carcosa." Bierce's use of those names was very
oblique, and had no particular explanation or even suggestion of what
they were.
 
Incidentally, if you want to know what *really* happened to Bierce, you
can find out in a Call of Cthulhu solo adventure that's now available,
which I won't mention by name because I'm the publisher. (anti-plug!)
 
Rev
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From: pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander)
Subject: Re: : WHO OWNS CTHULHU?????
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:12:16 GMT

In article <1689514C29.C521832@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu> C521832@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu writes:
>U.S. copyright law is such that a work of fiction belongs to the author
>until his or her death; it then belongs to his or her heirs for fifty
>years; and then enters the public domain (witness Twain, Poe...)

My understanding is that this is true for copyrights given since 1975 or 1976,
when there was a major rewrite of the law.  Copyrights still in effect at 
that time were extended to a flat 75 years, though there are some variations
for different categories.  Anything published before 1917 is public domain,
which includes Twain and Poe, but not necessarily HPL.  If Weird Tales or 
whoever owned it didn't renew their copyrights at the 28 year mark, the
contents of WT would be in the public domain.  I wonder if Arkham House 
bought the copyrights from WT or just bought permission to reprint.
> 
> (Deleted)

Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, I'm just repeating what I've read.

Paul Hollander    pholland@iastate.edu
Behold the tortoise: he makes no progress unless he sticks his neck out.

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From: ehenness@willamette.edu (Ethan D. Hennessey)
Subject: Re: Tsathoggua
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:16:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.151634.26738@emr1.emr.ca> gairns@ccrs.emr.ca (Jamie Gairns) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.081007.4027@nuscc.nus.sg> matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Brett McInnes) writes:
>>Who is Tsathoggua?
>
>
>	It's one of my cousins from Tennessee (sp?)  Great personality,
>	snappy dancer, smart dresser ... drives a BIG car.

   Actually, Tsathoggua is a toad God that Lovecraft didn't create.  It
was someone else who created it, but Lovecraft used it in some of his
revisions....

---Ethan
From: ST701816@brownvm.brown.edu (Arshad Ahsanuddin)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu
Subject: Re: DREAMLANDS GEOGRAPHY AND OTHER OXYMORONS
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:10:29 EST
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Judging from AT THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS, the "real world" archetype for
the Plateau of Leng is in Antarctica:  bones underneath the South Polar
cap, a mountainous ridge dividing the icefield, a ruined city on the
other side with a great passage leading underground to another section
of the city, and an enourmous mountain to the South with  strange
lightning around it.  Sound familliar? These are all landmarks from AT
THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS, which takes place in Antarctica, and all
coincide with the landmarks in THE DREAM-QUEST OF UNKNOWN KADATH:  plain
of bones beneath Plateau of Leng, the ridge between Leng and the city
where the Demigods lived, Sarkandar (sp?) with the ruined steps leading
down into the underworld, and Kadath itself off to the North. It's
interesting that the points of the compass seem to be reverse between
the waking world and the Dreamlands.  Oh, and there's also caves at the
top of both ridges, presumably leading into the underground of each
world respectively.

Arshad Ahsanuddin - novice Lovecraft fan
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