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From: lorne.murphy@rose.com (lorne murphy)
Subject: Re: Genesis 3 sideslv
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 08:45:43 GMT
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Date Entered: 09-13-92 03:39
GL>By the way, there's a British edition with a "fourth side" of
GL>"Seconds Out" out-takes rather than the normal studio stuff.

No, only "It/Watcher of the skies" is a Seconds Out outtake. "One for
the vine" and "Fountain of Salmacis" could not possibly be from
1977's "Seconds Out" as they were recorded live in 1980!

Lorne

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From: bamn@venus.ycc.yale.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Ambisonic Engineering
Date: 5 Sep 92 18:48:33 GMT
Organization: Yale Computer Center (YCC)

In article <1992Sep4.065929.29713@cs.aukuni.ac.nz>, mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Mark Hiro           Norman         ) writes:
> I just bought the soundtrack to Howards End, which is excellent.
> It is a fully digital (DDD) soundtrack, which helps on my crummy
> mini system stereo (AAD cd's have heaps of hiss).
> 
> I noticed on the sleeve that 'ambisonic engineering' was used in
> the recording of this disc. Does anyone know exactly what this means?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mark Norman           | My university doesn't let me send email.
> mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz | "We Hate It When Our Friends Become Successful..."

Ambisonic engineering is a special way of recording sound 
in which there is only one apparent placement of the 
recording microphone, in case of classical music it is
above the conductor and so the recording is as close to
the original as it can be (because the conductor obviously 
has the best position!)
this kind of recording gives a special depth to the recording
which is not generally found in other recordings. however,
to get the full benefit of this recording it has to be decoded 
in its special way. it was introduced i think 10 years ago
but did not become popular because they could not gather enough
support from the big electronics companies which would have had to
include the decoder in their systems. Anyway, even without the
decoder it sounds much better than the standard recordings, 
and its a pity that it did not take of, although i think it is now
making a comeback.
there was an article on this in the Stereo Review of july ( i think)
hope that helps!
naren
Council of Engineering
Yale University

uaaw os ete
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From: loj@cae.wisc.edu (Lo Jeffrey)
Subject: Re: Donald Fagen and New York Rock & Soul
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:30:48 CDT

In article <Sep15.223549.45599@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller) writes:
>
>Hey, isn't it about time for a "rec.music.steely_dan" ???
>

Yes, how is it done?

Jeff Lo
loj@cae.wisc.edu
From: millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Donald Fagen and New York Rock & Soul
Date: 16 Sep 92 04:38:00 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Sep15.183048.23569@doug.cae.wisc.edu> loj@cae.wisc.edu (Lo Jeffrey) writes:
>In article <Sep15.223549.45599@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller) writes:
>>
>>Hey, isn't it about time for a "rec.music.steely_dan" ???
>>
>
>Yes, how is it done?
>
>Jeff Lo
>loj@cae.wisc.edu

I'm not sure... there's something with a "RFD" I think... perhaps someone
can enlighten us.

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From: eomc40@festival.ed.ac.uk (K McBain)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Tubular Bells II
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:35:19 GMT

What I would just like to say to all those who may have heard all the
arguments about TBII and TBI and the similarities between them is that ONLY
THE FIRST THREE TRACKS USE THE TBI MELODY. The reason it may sound as if
you've heard it all before from things they play on the radio is because
they only ever play parts of the first three tracks! If they pushed the
FF button on their CD players they would hear 11 more tracks which are
VERY different. Okay, the structure of the middle of the part is similar
to TBI part 1 (chimes closing one part; acoustic guitar; M.C.
introducing the instruments; acoustic guitar playing out), but the
melody that is used in this sequence bears no relation to the one 20 odd
years ago.

Do others who have both albums agree?

I heard yesterday the single that he has released from the album (!)
which is a re-working of Sentinal and am slightly saddened that he has
used this one as it will only serve to add to the "remix" label now
given to this NEW creation.

Ken McBain

P.S. Does anyone know if there are still T-shirts of the concert on sale
anywhere? I was about thirty seconds too late, 'cos they were selling
the display ones when I managed to get near the front of the queue at
Edinburgh Castle.
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: jester@crash.cts.com (Ken Bibb)
Subject: Re: Gabriel re-releas
Date: 13 Sep 92 19:33:43 GMT

In <1992Sep13.074548.4915@rose.com> lorne.murphy@rose.com (lorne murphy) writes:


>Date Entered: 09-13-92 03:39
>BO>>there's some sort of recombination of "Rainy Windshield" and "Fingernails"
>BO>>on a single compact disk, due out about a week or so before the release of
>BO>>_Us_.
>BO>Are these PG things? I don't think I've ever heard of them (and that's
>BO>saying something). If this is true, could somebody please post or mail
>BO>me the catalog number. If it is a US only release (That's U.S. not 'Us' *:) )
>BO>I don't want to miss out.

>Think. Hard.

>"Rainy Windshield". "Fingernails". "Melting Face" "Shock Treatment".

>See a pattern forming?

These just aren't the usual titles for the albums, hence the confusion.
If you want to be "safe" about naming them, it should be PG I, II, II, IV
(Security in the US), etc.  Otherwise, the "official nicknames" according to
a promotional poster in the UK were (from memory, so I might be wrong)

STD		PROMO
 I		car
 II		(don't remember--think "fingers")
III		melt
 IV		security

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From: rjm@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Ryan Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: JVC Portable CD player
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:05:59 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

The September 1992 Damark catalog advertises a JVC portable CD
player (model XL-P50) featuring 4x oversampling, dual D/A 
converters, and the ability to program up to 22 songs with intro
scan, repeat, skip, and search functions, and also rechargable
batteries and headphones.  Most impressive was its price--$129.

The price sounded too good to be true, so I grabbed my new
Cruchfield and saw the JVC-P20, but what appeared to be a more
streamlined version (Damark is a discount house, so I'm not
surprised).  This lower model is without the rechargeable
batteries or headphones, although it has 8x oversampling, and
also costs $129.  

My question is whether or not the Damark offer is a good deal
or not.  If the difference between 4x and 8x oversampling is
really not that noticeable (I have little experience in this 
area), then I don't really care about the streamlined case and
I'll go for it.  But if there are some other differences that
I don't know about and any of you might, I'd like to know.

Also, it doesn't appear that either of these models have an
LCD readout, so how is programming these players possible? 
For that matter, how does one know what track he/she is on?

Thanks for your time,
Ryan

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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: jjyyjj@mixcom.com (Thomas Mueller)
Subject: 1987 on CD?? + Orb Q's
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:23:35 GMT

I saw "1987" on CD yesterday, marked "Rare Fan Club Only Release" (cough)
and was wondering if anyone else has bought this CD, who may be behind
releasing it, what the sound quality is like, and if it is truly worth
the US$20 they wanted for it.

Also, is US$20 too much to pay for the Orb's "Blue Room" release, and...
could someone give me an idea of what I might expect were I to buy and
listen to the "Blue Room" and "Ufo" CDs from the Orb?

Thanks.

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I still maintain the Skinny Puppy samples list.  Send me e-mail for a copy.
From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: UK CD prices hit the roof / Why not swap with US friends ?
Date: 11 Sep 92 02:40:36 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken

just a followup to richard's post - in the u.k., there are MANYT
 singles released, in all sorts of sizes and formats, to help 
 a song chart higher.  and, in the u.s., since the list
 price of a cd single (6.49) isn't that substantially less than the
 list of a disc (14.99/15.99), most companies do NOT push the
 singles; in fact, many songs are not available on cd single.
 
so, the only way to get them is from the u.k.  i'd suggest that
 to u.k. people, and i know also that i'm looking to get traders
 over there for some discs that mightbe found in u.k. used shops,
 in exchange for some u.s. used discs....

- bob gaj
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Re: INXS New Album?
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:59:54 GMT

flower@camelot.bradley.edu (Heather Matanock) writes:

>	the album has been out for about a month now.  i don't have it yet
>	but i have heard it and it is _very_ good.  i haven't bought it yet 
>	because the cd only came out on digi-crap and so i was waiting to
>	see if it would come out in jewlbox format. 

   From what I've heard of it (about half the tunes), it's crap. It's nothing
compared to earlier albums like The Swing. They've jumped on yet another
trend wagon, doing what I call psychedelic pop. It's boring.
-- 
Muff
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
From: weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Adam J. Weitzman)
Subject: BOX SETS FROM BMG CD CLUB
Keywords: CD, BMG, Columbia
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:29:48 GMT


My current BMG offer is 1/2 price on everything. I am planning on buying the
Led Zeppelin Remasters set (for someone else) and David Bowie's Sound And 
Vision set for myself. My question is: has anyone ever ordered a box set from
BMG, and if so,

o Did it come in a box like the ones in the store, or did they just ship the
  discs?

o Did it come with the booklet?

o Did they charge more than usual for shipping?

o Do all the discs have that white box with the BMG number in it on the back,
  or is it on the box, or do they leave it off, or put it on just one disc,
  or what?

o Is the artwork identical? Have you compared it with an original? Were there
  any differences?

o Anything else you'd like to add?

Please respond via e-mail, and I promise to post a review of all the responses
I get. Thanx.

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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: UK CD prices hit the roof / Why not swap with US friends ?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 06:08:54 GMT
Organization: Lollapalooza Phoenix Eastern Mosh Pit Smoke-Mask Crew

jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:

>> David Bowie's "Scary Monsters" CD: 14.49 pounds (29 dollars) in
>> Liverpool's HMV store.  The same disc from Noteworthy in the US: 10.82
>> dollars. 
>
> Well, speaking as someone who shops for CDs in the US, I would have to
> say that it's RARE to see a new CD for under $13(US). 

Depends on where you shop.  New discs are almost never more than $12.05
from Noteworthy, and are frequently much much less.  Back-catalog stuff
hovers around eight bucks -- that's a dollar less than anything but
cutouts and clearance-used goes for around here.  (A quick tiptoe through
the current Bowie listings shows all the Ryko reissues at $10.82 except
for the limited-edition _Ziggy_ [$14.63] the two-disc live sets [$21.65],
and the _Sound And Vision_ box [$43.17].)

>> * Search out cheap CD singles (Liverpool has plenty at 99p and 1.99
>> pounds) and send a batch of them to the US. CD singles are like gold
>> dust in the US and your US friend will be very grateful. 
>
> Well, um, CD-3 singles are a fairly rare sight here, but *gold dust*?? I
> don't think so. I don't think that many people would *want* CD-3s... 

Where does it say CD3 up there?  UK CD-singles (5, 3, whatever) are like
gold dust to *me* -- I follow plenty of bands whose stuff takes forever-if-
ever to get released in the US and I'm *always* eager to set up trades for
UK CDs -- especially (surprise) singles.

--
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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,alt.cd.rom
From: newton@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (newton)
Subject: CD manufacturers
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:49:52 GMT

Does anyone have a recommendation for a CD manufacturers in this
country?  I have produced music recordings employing NIMBUS Records as
the manufacturer (Virginia plant).  I am cost comparing now and
looking at American Helix as another possibility.  I am interested in
quality, pricing and production time.  I had a good experience with
NIMBUS, but I would like to know if there are other reliable
competitors out there willing to deal with independent labels (approx.
1000 units issue).

Thanks.

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From: tygar+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug Tygar)
Subject: Re: Newport Classics/Flute Force
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:55:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.190312.2840@fs7.ece.cmu.edu> silvus@vauxhall.ece.cmu.edu (Gregory Lee Silvus) writes:
>In Texas my sister heard a flute quartet called "Flute Force". They
>record on the Newport Label. Does anyone have any information about
>their availability on CD? *OR* Does anyone have a phone number or
>address where the company can be reached? Thanks,
>gReg

I don't know about Newport Classics, but Flute Force did a very good CD
on the CRI label (CD 581).
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
From: schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster)
Subject: Re: Strawbs On CD?
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 11:43:19 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <9209046150@zone4.ocunix.on.ca> peter@zone4.ocunix.on.ca (Peter Dubiel) writes:
>
>Could anyone tell me if the following LP's are available on CD, and if you
>have it, their catalog numbers? These are the discs I am looking for:
>
>Just A Collection of Antiques and Curios (1970) SP 4288
  Available on A&M Japan
>From The Witchwood (1971) SP 4304
  Avaialable on A&M (Pony Canyon) Japan  D32Y3578
>Grave New World (1972?) SP 4344
  Available on A&M (Pony Canyon) Japan D18Y4118
>Bursting At The Seams (1973) SP 4383
  Available on A&M Japan

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Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: bkotecha@cix.compulink.co.uk (Bipin Kotecha)
Subject: Re: Info about Tubular Bells I
Reply-To: bkotecha@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:01:00 +0000


> TITLE: Info about Tubular Bells II please
> 
       Hi there. I missed anything about TBII and would like to know
>         1)      To what extent (if any) it resembles TB
>         2)      When it will be released in Australia
> 
>

TBII was performed live in Edinburgh last week and televised by the
BBC. I haven't heard TBI for quite a while now but I think TBII is
structurally the same ie the same vocal introduction of (I think
different) instruments at the end of part one/side one of LP, the
same unintelligible voice in the second half, different but happy,
fast piece to end etc..




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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: INXS New Album?
Date: 9 Sep 1992 22:30:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



I heard somewhere that a new INXS album just came out or will be coming out
shortly.  Does anyone have it yet, is it any good?

Mike
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From: dplatt@ntg.com (Dave Platt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: BMG vs. Columbia House CD clubs
Keywords: CD, BMG, Columbia
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:21:41 GMT
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA

In article <52900@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:

>	I'll second Mike's recommendation for Noteworthy.

I'll "third" that (actually, it's probably like a tenth affirmation by
now).  I've been ordering from Noteworthy for about three years now...
for myself, my wife, and friends and co-workers.  Their service has
always been good, their stock-fill is quite respectable (about 95% on
the stuff I've ordered), prices are excellent, and the one time I
mis-ordered a disc they handled the return and replacement with no
hassles at all.  I have no hesitation in recommending them.

As others have pointed out, Noteworthy's selection of classical music is
somewhat limited and rather haphazard.  The same is true for certain
other categories (e.g. blues, jazz, instrumental/new-age, etc).  They
carry lots of popular discs, but don't seem to stock a lot of the
less-popular or smaller-label discs.

Another worthwhile CDs-by-mail source is Compact Disc Connection.  Their
prices are higher than Noteworthy's in most cases, but are definitely
less than Tower and similar stores (and far less than list-price at mall
CD stores).  They seem to have a rather larger stock of discs than
Noteworthy does, and they carry the complete (I believe) lines of
certain minor labels that Noteworthy doesn't carry completely or at all
(e.g. Pair, American Gramophone, Higher Octave, etc.).

Like Noteworthy, they have their catalog available in electronic form
and accept orders via modem.  Their system is somewhat different than
Noteworthy's, though.  Noteworthy's catalog is downloaded to your PC;
you look up the discs you want in an offline-search process, generate an
order, and then dial up and upload the order.  CDC's ordering system is
an on-line one, and you must work your way through their menus to select
the discs that you want.  You can download their catalog to your PC
(it's in the form of a DOS self-extracting archive) and expand and
search it off-line, if you wish.

Their classical catalog seems quite extensive - I haven't perused it
myself (that not being my primary area of interest) but it is _quite_
sizeable... the compressed archive file is 700k (rock/pop is 500k,
jazz/new-age is 300k, several others are available).

I've ordered from them only once... two weeks ago... and ordered a bunch
of discs that Noteworthy doesn't carry.  My order arrived a week later;
all items were delivered (nothing back-ordered at all).

Their modem phone number is +1 408 730 9015;  it speaks V.32 and slower
protocols, with no MNP or V.42 error control.
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From: meep@wpi.WPI.EDU (A Son of the Silent Age)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel Re-releases: Birdy & More
Date: 12 Sep 1992 14:59:52 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <boek.716191025@mungee> boek@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Christopher Boek) writes:
>toj8j@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (T.S. Eliot) writes:
>
>>                                              , and the proprietor tells me
>>there's some sort of recombination of "Rainy Windshield" and "Fingernails"
>>on a single compact disk, due out about a week or so before the release of
>>_Us_.
>
>Are these PG things? I don't think I've ever heard of them (and that's
>saying something). If this is true, could somebody please post or mail
>me the catalog number. If it is a US only release (That's U.S. not 'Us' *:) )
>I don't want to miss out.

"Rainy Windshield" is a title used for the first PG album, and
"Fingernails" for the second. So there's nothing new or U.S.-specific about
the reissued material.

Doug
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: HF.ANR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Ahren Reed)
Subject: Re: Gold Master Discs?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 07:09:47 GMT

  I have been searching all over the place to find reggae CD's by
the former English Beat member, Ranking Roger.

  Apparently, he is an "import"
 and all the record stores I know of can't order any of his stuff.

  Does anybody know what label he puts out music on, and especialy:
Which album contains his song: Bubbling Hot?  I'm trying to find
this CD in particular.

Thanks...