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From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Smoke-free travel question
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:00:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: ads.1992Oct15.230037.2216
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies

>>In article <Bvv9wv.IKy@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>>
>>      My wife and I are militant nonsmokers but as world travelers
>>      one of the things we've discovered is that this quaint little
>>      concept of nonsmokers rights is mainly a peculiar American 
>>      affectation.

It's not uniformly distributed across the country, though.

While in Dayton, Ohio (I spent a month there one weekend), I was
surprised to discover that non-smoking Midwesterners tolerate smokers
and think nothing of being seated in the smoking section of a
restaurant; a notion that would fill all my Bay Area friends with horror.

We didn't encounter a single non-smoking restaurant, which, blessedly,
are becoming common here.

Now, if we could just have non-smoking bars, I'd be thrilled.  But bars
seem to be the last bastion of the nicotine-afflicted.

(When I think that 10 years so, I had a job in an office where I was
 seated between two chain smokers, and the smoke was so dense I had
 to have my clothes drycleaned every time I wore them and wash my hair
 every day to get the stench out...am I thrilled that I work in a 
 completely non-smoking office now?  You bet!)

Charleen

--
arab coffee:
    Thick, black, bitter coffee, traditionally served in
    tiny cups at gunpoint.
                             -- Bob Ekstrom
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Xmas & New Year's in Italy
From: sscalia@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:27:35 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

I'll be vacationing in Italy to Xmas and New Year.  Since my sister and I don't
want to sepnd Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve in our hotel room, I woud like
to receive any information on what festivities are planned during this time.  
We were thinking of spending New Year's Eve in either Florence, Siena,
Bologna, Verona, or Venice.  Do hotels or clubs have special holiday
dinner and dance?  How expansive are they?  Any suggestions are greatly
appreciated.  This is the first time we'll be spending the holiday
away from family and I just want to make them memorable.  Do you have any other 
recommendations?  If you do, I would appreciate hearing from you.

Thanks

Santina


Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: tiv@gov.chel.su (Tambovtsev Ilya)
Subject: Welcom into the Chelyainsk / Ural / Russia
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:18:55 GMT
Reply-To: tiv@gov.chel.su
Organization: Region Government


   Among East and West, on limit of Europe and Asia you'll see a beautiful
        world, the world of wonder things, people and nature.

                      WELCOM into the Russia !!!
                   WELCOM into the Ural !!!
              WELCOM into the Chelyabinsk!!!

 The Ural is most extensive and industrial part of exSovietUnion.
 Now it is most mobile part of growing Russian economics.

  Here is two offers from touring and hunting firm.
-----------------
 The "Diana - Tour" is a special firm in area of international hunting and
 fishing touring in Chelyabinsk region. We do hunting and fishin tours in
 traditional Russian style and especially for foreign tourist, hunters and
 fishers. The hunting tours are allowed and provided by Department of
 Hunting Industry with quality staff.
-----------------
 The "Victoriya" is a touring agancy  which realize a visits of foreign
 groups of tourists or businessmans to rest and to set a business meeting,
 conference, here in Chelyabinsk and Ural region. You can discover not only
 new people , you can build a areas of new market youself!
-----------------

  *** For more informations about service, transportation, prices
 for an individual tours or a groups of tours ,please call to E-mail address:

              tiv@gov.chel.su    OR   ilya@chel.su

   We also have an interest for business contact with Tour companies!

  If you have another interest in our region, please write to me, you message
  will be saved in Base of offers, and we try to find you want.
  In any case we inform you about it.

  Happy for you!

   Ilya Tambovtsev. ( Information Service)
From: JWATERS@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU (James Waters)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: (none)
Date: 14 Oct 1992 06:22:47 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

signoff travel-advisories
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: y
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:46:46 GMT

In article <1bi1lcINNfd9@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>|> [ lots of interesting information deleted ]
>|>
>|>    STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL INFORMATION - United Kingdom
>|>    ============================================================
>|>    United Kingdom - Consular Information Sheet
>|>     October 7, 1992
>|>
>|>    Country Description:  The United Kingdom is a highly developed
>|>    European nation with a modern economy.  Tourist facilities
>|>    throughout the United Kingdom are highly developed.
>|>
>|> The travel information sheets for all the other western European countries
>|> use the standard phrase "XXXXX is a highly developed stable democracy with a
>|> modern economy".  But the one for the UK quite pointedly substitutes
>|> "European nation" for "stable democracy".  Is the State Department trying to
>|> tell us something about our electoral system?  :-)
>
>No.   These sheets are aimed at Americans who don't know Poland
>from Portugal.   However, most of them would giggle at the idea
>that the State Department thought it necessary to tell them that
>the UK is a stable democracy.    They might need to be told that
>about Hungary or Spain, but not about the UK.
>

	I wonder, how many Americans still think that Britain is an
	absolutist monarchy?  We could start with the old chestnut
	about finding the U.K. and the U.S. on a map.  I once found
	someone (Merkun) trying to find Cyprus on a map of the U.K.
	(They were looking around Manchester when I entered so they were
	at least getting close.)

	Alec
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: *NEW* TRAVEL INFORMATION -- Denmark
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:59:36 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

In article <921013133901_76702.1202_CHN116-1@CompuServe.COM>, 76702.1202@CompuServe.COM (Charlie Smith) writes:

|> Cyclists have the right-of-way over pedestrians and automobiles in Denmark.  
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is this really true?  Sounds very dangerous for the pedestrians!

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
From: gfl@hera.uucp (22402-lenahan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Honeymoon in Scotland
Summary: ideas on Scotland
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:35:26 GMT
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ

In article <1992Oct6.190355.16894@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>, thigpen@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Keith Thigpen) writes:
> My fiance has mentioned Scotland as a candidate for a honeymoon. Is this 
> a good candidate? 
> 
> What kind of attractions / activities are available (August, '93)?

Keith-

"Is Scotland a good place for a Honeymoon?"

How do I answer this?

If you want to talk about Scotland, write me at

hera.cc.bellcore.com

Main attractions:

        History
        Whiskey
        GOlf
        Scenery / Islands
        International Arts Festival (Edinburgh / August)

Grant
                           
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From: dearnshaw@worldbank.org (Darrell Earnshaw)
Subject: Lankawi Island - Info Wanted
Organization: The World Bank
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:48:24 GMT

Has anyone visited Lankawi island (in north eastern Malaysia) ? If so,
any information would be appreciated.

Thanks, Darrell Earnshaw. 
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From: lhughes@b11.b11.ingr.com (Lawrence Hughes)
Subject: Re: Stone Mountain, Atlanta Ga.??
Summary: stone mountain?
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:22:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.201501.1@evax3.eng.fsu.edu>, trinidad@evax3.eng.fsu.edu writes:
> Me again... trying to decide where to take/surprise my boyfriend..
> 
> Has anybody visited STONE MOUNTAIN PARK in Atlanta Georgia??  I'm looking at
> the brochure and it looks like a "wonderous site".  But I'd like to know
> the cost of things there.  I hear it's a national park so to get in it's $5, 
> but how about the skylift,restaurants,campground rentals,hotel,etc

I'm afraid you've been had by some high-falutin' PR agency that printed up a
purdy 4 color brochure... SM park is ok to ride your bike around in, to hike
up to the top of the "mountain" (really more of a great big pebble), or even
to catch the laser show on nights when it is given. It is really more of a big
'local park' for Atlanta folk - can't imagine anyone actually planning a trip
from outside the Atlanta metro area just to see it. Also they have a REAL bad
problem with local teens "cruisin" around the roads - last time I went it took
about 5 times as long to get to a parking lot (almost empty when I got to it)
as it used to... finally realized all the traffic was "cruisers". If you go to
Atlanta, you may want to schedule one afternoon (or evening if you can catch
a laser show), but don't depend on this to fill a weekend.

On the other hand, Six Flags (south of town on I85) is pretty much of an OK
amusement park - perhaps catch both? There are tons of neat things to do in
Atlanta - catch something (movie/concert) at the Fox, eat at any of a slew of
really first class restaurants, go shopping at Lenox Square (gotta see to
believe), hit 'Little Five Points' (local counterculture color), etc, etc.
If you are starting in Atlanta, there are also several FINE drives possible
to the north - like to Dahlonega, Helen, Dillard - especially nice in the fall
(like right now).

If you decide to stay in Atlanta, there are several good, but cheap Red Roof
Inns there in reasonably convienient places - call ahead (800-THE ROOF - no
I'm not affiliated with 'em - I just like to use 'em).

> Any help will be greatly appreciated.........I'm deciding between this or
> EPCOT center

EPCOT would be a LOT more interesting than SM park, although I hear it is REAL
expensive these days. Kind of like a permanent world's fair. It is real sad 
though to see what it turned into, if you know about Walt's original plan for
it - it was SUPPOSED to be a full-blown, functioning, populated, city of the
future - with high technology applied throughout to all aspects of life - I
would have given an arm and a leg to live in the original planned city... alas
Disneycorp thought they could make a few (billion?) extra bucks with Yet
Another Theme Park... 

> thanks,
> 
> Georgina
> trinidad@evax.eng.fsu.edu
> FAMU/FSU College of Engineering
> Tallahassee Florida

Hope some of this helps.

Larry "former resident of both Tallahassee and Atlanta" Hughes
From: chuang@jesse.prime.com (Chih-Yung Huang)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Advice Needed to visit Florida
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:48:57 GMT
Distribution: rec.travel
Organization: Computervision


Information about the following two issues will be highly appreciated.

First, is the area between Tampa and Ft. Myer damaged by the hurricane?
If yes, how serious is it? Will it recover within one month from now?

Second, I am planning to visit the area around Thanksgiving period. 
Is there any place to get a great deal for tour package or airfare alone?
I am going from Boston, by the way.

Also, any suggestion about the attraction in that area is welcome.


-- Jesse
From: kern@arecibo.aero.org (J.C. Kern)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Is there work in Saudi Arabia?
Date: 8 Oct 1992 16:17:42 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Organization
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kern.aero.org

I am currently interested in exploring career opportunities in Saudi Arabia.
My specializations are in artificial intelligence, Macintosh networks, and
satellite command & control.

Are there any suggestions out there for companies to examine/apply to?
Is Saudi Arabia worth working in?  All suggestions are welcome!

Thanks in advance...


J.C. Kern                            email:  kern@arecibo.aero.org
The Aerospace Corporation            phone:  (310) 336-3573
P.O. Box 92957                       vmail:  (310) 336-5454 x63573
Los Angeles, CA 90009-2957    

                 "May you live in interesting times."
       

From: alj@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Al Jackson)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:25:51 GMT
Subject: Re: SLUMBERCOACHES AND ROOMMETTES ON AMTRAK
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.travel

Amtrak's slumbercoaches are available in two flavors: single person and
double. The singles ARE cozy for one and you don't have to fold up the
bed to us the toilet, which is firmly mounted to the floor (the sink
in each room folds out of the wall). The doubles have full car height, but
ARE CROWDED for two. On some cars, there are singles which have more
room, though. These are in the middle of the car and are rooms 1, 2, 3 and 4.
The doubles are lettered, starting from the end of the car. So the best
"slumberclosets" are:

 singles: 1 and 2

 doubles: highest letters, usually g and h.

Amtrak's roomettes are even older sleeper designs, with 10 roomettes per
car. Each roomette has a larger single bed for one, a much larger
seat by day (I call it a couch), and a toilet which you have to fold the
bed up to use. Roomettes cost mucho $ over slumberclosets, but are
quieter, roomier, and you even get a larger window.

The other sleeper accomodation East of Chicago is the prototype
Viewliner. It has roomettes configured like ecomomy Superliner bedrooms
(we call 'em "econo closets"). MOre room than a slumbercloset, but
no watercloset in the room. These cars are currently in use on
the Cardinal (Chi<>DC via Ohio valley). Amtrak hopes to replace most
slumberclosets and older roomettes/bedrooms sleepers with these new
cars in the next few years. If so, I might ride the train East of
Chicago again.

The sleepers West of Chicago are much more comfortable, quieter, and
more reliable than the older stuff. Yes, the air still stinks if a
smoker is nearby and a toilet clogs, but it's better than you might
think. Give it a try!

alj
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: *NEW* TRAVEL INFORMATION -- Cyprus
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:02:48 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

In article <921013133649_76702.1202_CHN116-1@CompuServe.COM>, the U.S. State Department writes:

|> Cyprus - Consular Information Sheet

|> Entry Requirements: ... Proof of an AIDS test
|> is required of certain entertainers. 

Anyone know why Cyprus singles out entertainers for this requirement?

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
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From: patel@cimage.com (Ritesh Patel)
Subject: DETROIT - SYRACUSE TICKET
Organization: Cimage Corp, Ann Arbor, MI
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 16:09:21 GMT

Northwest aitlines Detorit to Syracuse ticket for sale.
Make offer.

Home: (313)282-3964
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From: thimm@nostromo.ira.uka.de (Georg Thimm)
Subject: Flying stand by London <--> Stuttgard or Frankfurt
Organization: Mantafahrer Anonym
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:54:44 GMT

Hello,

who flew stand by from London to Stuttgard or Frankfurt and back?
What's the price and how much time did you spend waiting?

Georg
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E-Mail: thimm@ira.uka.de
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: kmcnabb@pcserver2.Naitc.Com (Keith McNabb)
Subject: Tampa Bay Advice?
Organization: A. C. Nielsen Co., Bannockburn, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 14:21:50 GMT

I'll be in the Tampa Bay area for the first time in the middle of
October, and I'm planning to pad some personal time on the end of the
business trip.  The only definite plan I've made is a Scuba charter out
of Sarasota on Saturday, Oct. 17.  That still leaves the later part of
the day on Saturday and the first half of Sunday to kill.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated.  I've just moved to Chicago
and taken up the life of the yuppie suburban monk, so this trip ...
well, you ever hear of Ferris Bueller?

kmcnabb@nis.naitc.com
From: santafe@watnxt07.ucr.edu (michael a parisi)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: SLUMBERCOACHES AND ROOMMETTES ON AMTRAK
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:35:44 GMT


Is it true that in these particular sleeping compartments your
toilet folds out of the wall next to the bed?   

Sounds like a prison cell.

And, do you really want to stay in bed after using the facilities?....

Please write me your experiences regarding these interesting sleeping
quarters.
From: 76702.1202@CompuServe.COM (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: *NEW* TRAVEL INFORMATION -- Andorra
Date: 8 Oct 1992 14:49:52 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL INFORMATION - Andorra
============================================================
Andorra - Consular Information Sheet
 October 7, 1992

U.S. Assistance:  Andorra is a co-principality administered jointly 
by France and Spain and has no U.S. Embassy or Consulate.  For 
assistance, American citizens can contact the U.S. Consulate General 
in Barcelona, Spain, telephone (34) (3) 280-2227.

Country Description:  Andorra is a highly developed stable 
democracy with a modern economy.  Tourist facilities are widely 
available.

Entry Information:  Visas are not required for a tourist or 
business stay of up to three months.  For further information 
concerning entry requirements for Andorra, travelers can contact 
either the Embassy of Spain or the Embassy of France or the nearest 
French or Spanish consulate in Boston, Chicago, Detroit (France 
only), Honolulu (France only), Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, New 
Orleans, New York, or San Juan.  The Spanish Embassy is located at 
2700 15th Street NW, Washington, DC 20009, tel (202) 265-0190.  The 
French Embassy is at 4101 Reservoir Road NW, Washington DC 20007, 
tel (202) 944-6000.

Crime Information:  Andorra has a low crime rate.  However, during 
the tourist season, pickpocketing, theft of unattended baggage, and 
theft from vehicles can occur.  U.S. citizens can refer to the 
Department of State's pamphlet, "A Safe Trip Abroad" for ways to 
promote a more trouble-free voyage.  The pamphlet is available from 
the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office, 
Washington DC 20520.

Medical Facilities:  Medical care is available.  U.S. medical 
insurance is not always valid outside the United States.  Travelers 
have found that in some cases, supplemental medical insurance with 
specific overseas coverage has proved to be useful.  Further 
information on health matters can be obtained from the Centers for 
Disease Control's international traveler's hotline on (404) 332-4559.

Drug Penalties:  Penalties for possession, use, or dealing in 
illegal drugs are strict, and convicted offenders can expect jail 
sentences and fines.

Registration:  Americans who register in the U.S. Consulate General 
in Barcelona can obtain updated information on travel and security 
within the area.

 No. 92-002
From: blondon@Teknowledge.COM (Bob London)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Hollywood area hotel/motel
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:50:53 GMT
Reply-To: blondon@teknowledge.com (Bob London)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cimflex Teknowledge, Palo Alto, CA


 Any recommendation for a decent hotel or motel in Hollywood?  Around Sunset
& Highland is best, but anywhere inside Hollywood Blvd, La Cienega, Wilshire,
& Vermont is ok.  

 We're a family with pre-teen kids & would like a place with more than just
rooms (e.g. pool, spa, exercise room) since we need to keep the kids occupied
near the hotel for awhile.  Safer areas preferred, unless the hotel is a
resort unto itself.  Don't want exorbitant rates, but doesn't have to be
budget-low either.

 We were considering these, based on AAA descriptions:
	Best Western - Sunset Plaza Hotel (Sunset Blvd., nr La Cienega)
	Orchid Suites (N. Orchid Ave, n of Hollywood Blvd.)
	Hallmark House (Sunset Blvd., e of La Brea Ave.)
	Hollywood Roosevelt (Hollywood Blvd.)
	Park Sunset Hotel (Sunset Blvd., e of La Cienega)

 If we're asking for the impossible, what about a bit north, around Universal
studios?  E.g.:
	Sheraton Universal
	Universal City Hilton & Towers

 Any comments on these or others would be appreciated.  Also, we're staying
near Disneyland later.  Never had trouble finding good arrangements there,
but are there any particularly good places/deals there?
 Bob London
From: 6500rick@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Richard J. Bessey)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Tips For Italy, per favore.
Date: 9 Oct 92 06:32:37 GMT



You asked about a hotel in Rome.  Unfortunately, I can't
remember the exact name right now.  It is either Hotel Piccolo
or Albergo Piccolo.  It is in a nice part of Rome right next 
to a great bakery.  It is a couple of blocks from Largo Argentina,
which, if you know Rome, is pretty close to the monument to 
Victor Emmanuele.

I will try to post or mail you the address.

Rick


Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: rkmossm@pbhyb.PacBell.COM (Richard Mossman)
Subject: Re: Scotlant (not a honeymoon)
Reply-To: rkmossm@PacBell.COM (Richard Mossman)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:16:41 GMT

In response to the question about good B&B's in Edinburgh: that's an easy one,

The Turret Guest House on Kilmaur Terrace (Ms. Jackie Cameron, proprietress).
No relation, no association other than as a very happy customer. I don't have
the street address or phone number, but if you drop me a line, I'll find it.

If you go there, mention my name as I'll be staying there again next July.
-- 
Richard K. Mossman  {att,bellcore,sun,ames,decwrl}!pacbell!rkmossm
510/823-0974
=========================================================================
"I need to put some distance between overkill and me!" -- E. John (1988)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: pkuo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paohua Kuo)
Subject: Avis rental car
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 20:27:55 GMT
Expires: 11-1-92

I almost had to pay more than the quoted rate with Avis.  I wonder if I
was just unlucky - or if others had the same experience?

While vacationing in the Canadian Rockies, we rented a car from 
Avis at the Calgary airport.  When we first walked up to the counter,
I was searching through my bag for the confirmation number.  The woman
at the counter said that she doesn't need the confirmation number 
because she has a list.  So she found my name on the list and handed
me a contract to sign.  I looked over the contract and saw that the 
weekly rate was ~$225 per week not the $165 that I was quoted when
I made the reservation.  So I went to my bag and got out the 
confirmation number.  The conf. number that I had turned out to be different
from the one on the contract.  After some typing into the computer,
she changed the rate to $165.  So we went off and put many kilometers
on the car.  2 weeks later, when we returned the car to the little booth
at the airport garage, the Avis agent with a little portable computer 
gave me a receipt with a charge of $187 per week.  I was then directed
back to the airport counter to clear this up.  After some typing into
the computer, the agent gave me a new receipt with (finally!) the correct
charge.  I asked if this is a common practice with Avis - trying to 
rip off their customers who don't check their receipts/contracts.  This
woman snapped back at me:  "it's a mistake - you don't have to be
nasty!".  Well, I accepted the first time as a mistake - but a repeated
incident being a mistake?!  

--PK
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