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From: abney@scivax.stsci.edu
Subject: RE:  Steve Camp Album Name - After God's
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:45:01 GMT

Here are the words to Steve Camp's AFTER GOD'S OWN HEART:


	I have come to an empty place
	Through the Wilderness of my soul.
	The selfish life that I once embraced
	Seldom satisfies me anymore.
        I have been tried
	I have been tested.
	Now I know the only way for me 
	Is to follow after God's own heart.

Chorus:	After God's own heart
	How I long to be what He wants me to be.
	After God's own heart
	No other love means so much to me
	I will follow after God's own heart.

      	I will tell of His faithfulness
	How He carried my iniquity.
	I will sing of His holiness
	That demands a life of Purity.
	I must obey
	I must be broken
	If this world is ever gonna see
	A man after God's own heart.

	Chorus

	There's no shadow of turning
	As I'm heading straight for him
	His calling is my yearning
	I will follow
	I will follow

	Chorus	

	

I hope they helped.  It's a really neat song.

				--Faith
From: uyeno@meetng.enet.dec.com (Alice Uyeno)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: RE: Steve Camp album name
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:31:49 GMT
Reply-To: uyeno@meetng.enet.dec.com (Alice Uyeno)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Aug17.194408.15765@bnr.ca>, candel@crchh572.bnr.ca (Dave Candelario) writes:
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|>From: candel@crchh572.bnr.ca (Dave Candelario)
|>Subject: RE: Steve Camp album name 
|>Message-ID: <1992Aug17.194408.15765@bnr.ca>
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|>Reply-To: candel@crchh572.bnr.ca (Dave Candelario)
|>Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
|>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:44:08 GMT
|>
|>
|>Alice,
|>
|>     The only one I remember is Fire and Ice which has the classic
|>'Upon This Rock'....
|>
|>
|>Enjoy and hope you find it soon....
|>
|>
|>Dave
|>

As it turns out, I found out the title by looking at Steve Camp's tape, Doing My Best, Vol. 2.  The name of the tape I was looking for is After God's Own Heart.  Now does someone have the lyrics to the title song?


Alice
From: reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:26:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Causing others to stumble?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

> 
> (Since I think we've left Amy here, I've changed the subject line)
> 
> I'm really interested in people's opinions about this.  What 
> difficult calls have you made and how did you decide?  Perhaps
> we can even relate this to music.  (What!?)  Suppose God has
> placed you in a church where *everyone* but you thinks Christian
> rock is an oxymoron.  Then it seems reasonable to avoid listening 
> to the music you love when around these brethren.  But this also
> carries the danger of perpetuating this (IMHO) error.  Because no
> one listens to Christian rock, others (especially new believers,
> perhaps) think it must be wrong.  They miss out on blessings (yes, 
> I *do* mean that!!!) and on opportunties to minister.
> 
> John

       Ultimately, every person is responsible for him/herself. Personal
responsibility is something which seems to be lacking of late in this 
culture. It is easier to blame someone/something else for one's own 
weaknesses or failures. 

       Assuming that we are dealing with intelligent, competent people,the
real key is for that individual to value his/her own life/morality/ethics
to do the right thing. 

       It is simply not productive to protect people from themselves. I 
can not have sugar for medical reasons. Does that mean that no one should
have sugar in my presence? Hardly! I have to value my own health enough
to avoid it. 

       As for Christian rock, well, if someone doesn't like it then it 
would be only courteous to not play it. There is no such thing as a 
harmful thought. There are only harmful actions. Therefore, it is 
impossible to say that any musical genre is responsible for someone's
'falling' or 'failing' or whatever you want to call it. 


-reykjavik

 
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins)
Subject: Re: Is music amoral??
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 17:05:43 GMT
Organization: Data General Corp. ASSD, Atlanta, GA

In article <1992Aug19.185122.21663@doe.utoronto.ca>, peter@doe.utoronto.ca (Peter Mielke) writes:
|> 
|> In <1992Aug18.215410.22880@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, Bill Rawlins writes:
|> > 
|> >   Any person who has been born-again has the Holy Spirit within them.
|> >   They should be able to discern flesh from spirit.
|> >   I used to be "into" really hard rock quite a few years back.
|> >   When I listen to "Christian" music that is is "fleshly", I can sense
|> >   it.
|> 
|> Enlighten us please!
|> 
|> >   When I listen to music that brings praise and adoration to God,
|> >   I can sense it.  The question is, What do I want to listen to,
|> >   that which is fleshly or that which is spiritual?  As Christians,
|> >   we should choose spiritual things rather than fleshly.
|> 
|> We all agree with that, but you have not told us your basis for
|> determining "christain" vs "fleshly" music.
|> 
|> What factors do you take into account in making your decision?
|> -- 
|> Peter Mielke                                              peter@doe.utoronto.ca
|> University of Toronto, Dictionary of Old English Project  utzoo!utdoe!peter

   An example I gave of "fleshly" is the urge you get to mash down the accelerator
   in your car when the heavy metal music comes on.  Spiritual music fills you
   with the love of God, or peace, or praise.  The bottom line is that this
   discernment is something that each believer must do - It is a spiritual
   discernment that can't be defined with rules.  That is why there
   will always be discussions of what is appropriate music for Christians.
   - Because we can't define it.  We follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.
    (Romans 8:14, Galatians 5:16)
  
-- 
             ==========================================================
            //  Bill Rawlins            <wpr@atlanta.dg.com>        //
           //  Data General Corp       "My views are my own"       //
          //  Norcross, GA                                        //
         ==========================================================
From: sleepy@wybbs.mi.org (Mike Faber)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Do We Need a New newsgroup? (was Re: Those Nasty Fundamentalists)
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:49:50 GMT
Reply-To: sleepy@wybbs.UUCP (Mike Faber)
Organization: Consultants Connection, Jenison MI

In article <Bt59K1.CoD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jmrg9881@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid) writes:
>Stacey, one thing I'm confused about... you say you go to a "fundamentalist
>charismatic church".  Perhaps this is picking nits over terminology, but in
>Fundamentalists and charismatics are both part of the "evangelical camp",
>but on opposite sides of the spectrum, so "fundamentalist charismatic"
>seems like an oxymoron to me.
>
Ok, Jon, I make it clearer...

A charismatic group is simple a denominational group (One church I know of
is "Reformed")  which has taken on additional theology concerning 
the "Baptism in the Holy Spirit."  In general they have taken Pentecostal
beliefs and fitted them to their theological background.  There are several
denominations who have groups like this.  The difference between a
Pentecostal church and a Charismatic one is that the Pentecostals have
broken with "mainline" denominations whereas the charismatics have remained
within them.

Fundementalist is such a vague word having so many different meanings to
people in different denominations, it's impossible to define unless we have
a single theological background to fall back on (which we don't.)

Michael Faber
From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Your Favorites Thus Far
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:01:25 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <wgorlitz.032x@wiz.outb.wimsey.bc.ca> wgorlitz@wiz.outb.wimsey.bc.ca (Walter Gorlitz) writes:
   I would put a big vote in for Magdallan.  They might
 not be metal enough for your tastes, but the music is good.
                                                       ^^^^
Make that 'great' and i'll agree.  IMHO, the Magdallan album is one of the
best sounding CCM albums ever, from a musical and production point of view.
My only complaint is that sometimes Ken Tamplin tries to sing just a little
above his range, and ends up sounding cheezy.

JRjr

-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Larry Norman (was Re: R.M.C. Desert Island Quiz #2)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:43:24 GMT

In article <19AUG92.19271295.0023@lafibm.lafayette.edu> BD32@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Fritz Block, LCF Summer President) writes:
>>
>  Artist or Group   Album
>
>1. Larry Norman     Upon This Rock
>2. Larry Norman     Down Under (but not out)
>3. Larry Norman     So Long Ago the Garden
>4. Larry Norman     Something New Under the Son
>7. Larry Norman     Stranded in Babylon

Okay, anybody who would squander five of his ten choices on one
artist has me intrigued :-)

I like Larry, but I haven't really kept up with his recordings for a
long time.  I have "So Long Ago the Garden," "Only Visiting This
Planet," "In Another Land," and "Something New Under the Sun."
That's it.  I suspect I'm missing some good music, but I also know
that I stopped buying Larry's albums because I got tired of
spending my hard-earned cash on retreads and previously released
songs.  Given the fact that I really like the four albums I own,
but that I don't like them enough to buy the same songs in
different packages, which Larry Norman albums should I be looking
for?  Thanks.
 
>*++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++*
>* Fritz Block    "Love is not a ballad on the top ten chart            *
>* bd32@lafayacs   Love is not a virus from cupid's dart                *
>* 215-250-8031    Love is not a promise that you tear apart            *
>* Lafayette Col.  Love is a commitment heart to heart" -- Larry Norman *
>*++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++*

Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
att!cblpn!ajw  or
ajw@cblpn.att.com
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From: candel@crchh572.bnr.ca (Dave Candelario)
Subject: RE: Steve Camp album name 
Reply-To: candel@crchh572.bnr.ca (Dave Candelario)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:44:08 GMT


Alice,

     The only one I remember is Fire and Ice which has the classic
'Upon This Rock'....


Enjoy and hope you find it soon....


Dave
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: glenn@quark.umd.edu (Glenn VanderWoude)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Kenneth Hagin Was Re: The Warnke Debate
Keywords: FLAME AWAY
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:47:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: /etc/organization

kroth@david.wheaton.edu (Ken Roth) quotes Kenneth Hagin, saying:

>
>"It is unscriptural to pray, 'If it is the will of God.'  When you put an 'if'
>in your prayer, you are praying in doubt."  -Kenneth Hagin 
READ I John 5:14!!!!!!  -Ken Roth

Read also James 4:13-16
How about reading it right now?
13-Now listen, you who say, "Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that
   city, spend a year there, carry on business and make money."
14-Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow.  What is your life?
   You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes.
15-Instead, you ought to say, "If it is the Lord's will, we will live and
   do this or that."           ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^
16-As it is, you boast and brag.  All such boasting is evil.

Now this passage does not explicitly regard prayer, but consider:
If we prayed to go spend time in this or that city, according to the
above quote from Kenneth Hagin, we could be sure we would go.  Yet
James says we cannot be sure; we must take into account
that we don't know God's plans. If we could pray like above, it would
not depend on whether it is God's will so much, but on _our_ will.
Now I am no expert on prayer, or Kenneth Hagin. But prayer is something
I am focusing on now.  And I know James also says in ch. 1 we should ask
for wisdom, and we must not doubt when doing so.  But Kenneth Hagin
seems to me to be stretching, and from the quotes I deleted (thinking
I would never refer to them :-(  his claims that we are gods is also
too much for me to agree with.

Just some more food for thought on another completely non-musical
topic.  But that quote reminded me of this passage, and I had to hunt
for it to find it, so I thought I'd share it with the rest of you.

--Glenn VDW
glenn@quark.umd.edu


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ras@controls.ccd.harris.com (Russell Soule)
Subject: TEST Please disregard
Originator: ras@sp1
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:37:59 GMT


This is a test.
From: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is music amoral??
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:25:21 GMT
Reply-To: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <86628@netnews.upenn.edu> alailima@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (The WILD Samoan) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.113910.29308@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug19.182908.896@news.cs.brandeis.edu> aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

[A very fine post using I Corinthians deleted}

Very good response.  Only 1 problem, though.  I think it is a huge leap to
draw a parallel between (mostly an inanimate) object such as food and music.
Do you think Paul would have had the same attitude toward music that was
dedicated to an idol (in modern times: sex, money, "freedom", immorality,
humanism, take your pick)?  Do you think he would have said that that music
would be edifying, etc?  Let's compare apples to apples.


--
Noel Estabrook          |       Let us not merely do that which is our
noel@crs.cl.msu.edu   __|__	RIGHT, rather, let us desire to do that
Educational Technology  |	which IS right - Me
Michigan State Univ.    |				Romans 12:2
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mece2b1@rosie.uh.edu (Meyers, David C.)
Subject: "Man in the Box" what's it about?about  
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:57:00 GMT

Has anybody ever figured out what the song "Man in the Box" is about by
alice in chains? I was just wondering...to me it sounds like the singer is
feeling kicked around and just down and out? The only reason I thought this
had any relevance to this group is because of the reference to Jesus Christ... 


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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: New Amy Grant song
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:02:51 GMT

In article <66209@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:
>I just read in the paper this morning that Amy Grant does a cover of 
>Elvis' 'Love Me Tender' for the soundtrack of 'Honeymoon in Vegas' or
>something like that, a new movie.

Is that the one about 1 bride, 2 grooms, and 38 flying Elvis's?

I'm serious, there is one!


Topher
-- 
 Christopher A. White                    | Here's a test to see if you've
 caw@gtech.com                           | completed your mission in life. 
 GTech Corporation, West Greenwich, RI   | Are you alive? You haven't.
 The opinions expressed are mine alone   |        - Bach
From: nauman@Pt.hq.af.mil (Stratton D Nauman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: People is not America (was Amy)
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:11:37 GMT
Organization: Headquarters Air Force, The Pentagon Washington, DC

kim@techbook.com (Kim Larsen) writes:

>One can certainly see an individual reporter's bias come through on
>certain stories, and even an entire newspaper's bias on occasion.
>But there really is no great big "they" out there trying to discredit
>conservatives and fundamentalist Christians.


Wake up and Smell the coffee. There IS a big THEY out there, and it even
has a name. 

Satan.



>I think part of what you perceive as an agenda is simply people viewing
>something differently than you would, seeing it from the outside, whereas
>your view would be that of an insider.  Most reporters are
>proud of their ability to stand outside an issue, to see what someone
>else might not.

They may be proud of it, but "most" reporters are failing miserably.

>To me, "the liberal media" is also a derisive term, saying a) the
>media all have the same goal and b) being a liberal is a bad thing.  It's
>a catchall phrase, which I don't care for.

Ill modify it somewhat. 

a) "Most" reporters do have the same goal, that of not only reporting
and mirroring society, but *influencing* and *changing* society.

b) Being Liberal, in general *is* a bad thing.  Reference liberals
positions on abortion, gay rights, immorality, etc etc etc etc.

Most times youll get a smiley face from me, but *not* on this one.


Regards,

Dave.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: merk@unislc.uucp (John Merk)
Subject: RE: Need a scripture reference
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:19:04 GMT

[someone asks about a specific reference to Satan being in charge of music
 in heaven]

I, too, have tried looking for this scripture.  The closest thing I found
was Isa 14:11-12:

	"All your pomp has been brought down to the grave, along with
    the noise of your harps;...How you have fallen from heaven
    O morning star, son of the dawn."

Kind of stretches things a bit.  I think the "experts" over in s.r.c
might consider discussing this ;)

John

merk@unislc.slc.unisys.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: JHIATT@130.187.170.178 (JOHN HIATT)
Subject: Seventy Sevens and Tonio K.
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:51:20 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

  My favorite christian rock song is "All fall down".  My favorite christian
musician is Tonio K.  It has been soooooooooo long since this newsgroup
has mentioned either of these two... and for this reason I haven't been
reading in here (too much bashing going on).

  So, THANK YOU for bringing them up!

  I'd like to know of any new info on these two (especially Tonio K.)

John R. Hiatt  JHIATT@GEMINI.SIM.ES.COM
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: pike@zapix.vbo.dec.com (Jesus comes to my rescue !)
Subject: Re: DEATH TO AMY THREATS !?!
Reply-To: pike@zapix.vbo.dec.com (Jesus comes to my rescue !)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:47:49 GMT




   What is all this I hear about death threats to Amy ???  :^)
From: anb1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ANDREW N. BRIMER)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: TANGENT: I would like some terms explained.
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:54:24 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Aug18.160057.25245@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jpersons@magnus.a
cs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.153753.7289@cas.org> lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) wr
ites:
>>In article <1992Aug17.192549.815@rtsg.mot.com> oakes@rtsg.mot.com writes:
>>:I would like some definitions for some of the terms that are used to
>>:describe different styles of belief in the Christian church.  I will include
>>:my understanding of these.
>
>>
>>:Charismatic:
>>:
>>:-- I know that charisma is related to a person's ability to be believed or
>>:followed.
>>
>>Charismatic as a term in which I am familar applies to churchs/groups which
>>put an emphasis on the community practicing of the gifts of the Spirit as
>>described in the book of the Acts of the Apostles and several of Paul's
>>letters.
>
>You Greek scholars can correct me (I know you will!), but I believe
>the term comes from the Greek word used for the gifts of the spirit,
>transliterated "charisma."
>
>John
>
The charismatic groups more specifically emphasize the gift of speaking in
tongues and the interpretation of tongues.  I don't think that it is right to
say that other churches do not emphasize using the gifts of the Spirit because
all believers have at least one gift that she is encouraged to develop to the
glory of God.

Andy
-- 
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: sdeering@athena.mit.edu (Scott E Deering)
Subject: Re: Recommendation for video...
Followup-To: rec.music.christian
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:07:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.130351.6861@relay.nswc.navy.mil>, snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
|> >On the first night of the camp, before our Passover Feast, we would like
|> >to show a movie/video related to some kind of mystical journey to the kids 
|> >to set the tone for the camp.  The movie can be either secular/Christian.
|> >Please let me know if you have any suggestion for the movie.  Thanks.
|> 
|> Wasn't there a movie called exodus, starring someone like Charleston
|> Heston?  That might be appropriate.  I sort of remember the theme
|> song... I think it was called exodus as well.  :-)  :-)  :-) 
|> ===================================================================

I think you mean the movie "The Ten Commandments" by Cecil B. De Ville. Chuck
played Moses in that one...

-scott
sdeering@athena.mit.edu
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