HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject: Re: New topic: What do you eat and how do you prepare your food?
Organization: MITRE
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:43:54 GMT

What a great idea!  I like this topic.  I also noticed that each HXWZ has a
paragraph about cooking recipe.  Unfortunately, you can not subscribe this
recipe only.  You have to subscribe the whole HXWZ.  The rest part of the
HXWZ just like KMTs commercial, at least for me.  I do not like it, so I
did not subscribe it.  If somebody can share his cooking experence for us, 
I think it can help us a lot. 
Thanks!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mei@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu (Guang Mei)
Subject: Re: Extra charge for revieving letters from abroad?
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: NYU Chemistry Dept.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:53:50 GMT

In article <BvGqBI.9rF@cs.dal.ca>, wzhuang@cs.dal.ca (Wendy Huang) wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> I just got a letter from home, saying that there is extra fee (RMB 1.00)
> to receive a letter from abroad. Any confirmation about it?
> 
> W

Yes, it is true that the person who receives the letter has to pay RMB 1.00
in order to get the letter. This practice started in June and it does not
make any sense. The explanation I heard was that postal man would deliver
the letter as a registed letter. Someone may hope it would reduce the
possibilty of mail getting lost, but I know for a fact that letter still
gets lost even after this ridiculous regulation started.

PS: I don't know how wide this practice is, at least it applies at Jiading
County, Shanghai.

--
Guang Mei   mei@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu   (212)998-8465
Keck Laboratory for Biomolecular Imaging
NYU Chemistry Deptartment, 31 Washington Place, New York NY 10003
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.indian
From: sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Subject: RFD Alternative Medicine
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:28:58 GMT

[I am forwarding this from news.groups since I think there might be
some interest in SCI and SCC. Followups to news.groups. ]

----Forwarded article begins here...

kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski)
writes on news.groups:

Subject: RFD Alternative Medicine

A newsgroup for the discussion of alternative medicine is a great idea --
it's one I've been waiting for for a while.

I'd like to generalize the idea a bit and recognize the holistic nature of
many alternative therapies by suggesting that we use "health" in the
newsgroup name instead of "medicine".

There have been some suggestions to place the newsgroup in the "soc"
hierarchy, but I think this would be a mistake -- "soc" is really for
social issues and for socialization.

I propose instead that we place it in the "misc" hierarchy: how about
"misc.health.alternative"?  "health" would fit right in with the other
misc groups: "consumers", "education", "jobs", "kids", "legal", etc.

I volunteer to facilitate: I can help draft a charter, provide technical
help with email or setting up FAQ lists, etc.

I'd like to recommend a book, too: "Alternative Medicine", by Dr. Andrew
Stanway, Penguin Books, 1986, ISBN 0-14-008561-0.  Dr. Stanway provides a
reasonably objective overview of 32 alternative therapies: acupuncture,
Alexander technique, anthroposophical medicine, aromatherapy, ayurveda,
Bach remedies, biochemics, biofeedback, chiropractic, colour therapy,
do-in, healing, herbal medicine, homeopathy, hydrotherapy, hypnosis,
macrobiotics, megavitamin therapy, naturopathy, negative ion therapy,
orgone therapy, osteopathy, pattern therapy, psionic therapy, pyramid
healing, radiesthesia, radionics, reflexology, Rolfing, shiatsu, sound
therapy, and yoga, along with a good look at alternative therapies in
the context of present and future times.

(I imply no relative comparison of efficacy between therapies by listing
them together; some of those are pretty straightforward and obviously
effective; others are pretty far out.)

The overviews present the history, applicable theories, strengths and
weaknesses of each therapy.  Scientific evaluations and references are not
presented, for the most part, since this is a survey book, but it's not a
book full of apologies for quackery, either.  A fair bibliography is
included.

Again, to summarize: yes for an alternative health newsgroup, which I
would call "misc.health.alternative".  I'd like to help.

-- 
Peter Kaminski
kaminski@netcom.com
From: chan@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:47:31 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

So much have been compared between CCP and KMT.  There is one thing 
in common for both sides.  That is the disgusting and self defeating way 
they deal with the Japanese.  Both regimes demand no apology from Japan for
her war crimes.   And now the CCP even let the no apology Japanese monarch
lay his feet on Chinese soil.  Does any body know WHY the Chinese regimes never
demand any apology from Japan on the government level?  Does anybody know
what reasons given by the two Chinese regimes?  Do all the 10
billion Chinese agree with these two Chinese regimes policy to have a no
apology Japanese monarch to set his feet on Chinese soil?  Do they all really
want to kiss his feet?  Well, if they do, those who could not make their way 
to kiss the dead one, here comes the live one.

To make myself clear, I dont welcome a no apology Japanese monarh to visit  
China.  I dont think Mr. Akihito would do any good for him or Japan should
he just make a trip to China as if he were a Japanese Monbusho minister.
  
--------------------------------
I represent myself only.
Chan@unsw.edu.au
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:26812 talk.politics.china:1574
From: wendong@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Wen-Dong Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Do Something For Yourself, Guys--Protection Bill.
Date: 3 Oct 92 02:03:34 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii


    Such a fresh, tasty grape!  But ......
    I am NOT eligible to eat!
     
    I hate those who are eligible to eat!
    Jealous full of my heart, make me mad!

    No! The grape is bad! worse! the worst!
    I will tell the whole world!
       and prove it!
    Just let nobody eat it, just let it rust!

    Good and bad news both come in.
    What's good?
       ONLY me dare speak out my feeling.
    Bad?  People just do not care what I said.
    Come on, guys!
      I NEED your reply, I NEED your attention!
      I just want to see your anger to replace the jeal in my heart!
    I am prepared for your worst words.

    Although I swell to the Lord,
      if anyone can let me eat that,
      I will use my whole heart to praise it!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: zzang@stat.ufl.edu (zzang)
Subject: chinese book store info needed
Originator: zzang@manta
Organization: University of Florida
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 14:06:20 GMT

Hello,
I am interested in buying some 
Chinese books, classic or modern;
but I don't know where I
can go looking for.
could someone give me some info on
the good Chinese book stores here in the US.

please use e-mail.

Thanks in advance!
-- 
Zhuo Zang[~{j0WA~}]
Department of Statistics
University of Florida            Email: zzang@stat.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Subject: Re: an unsuccessful mail forgery
X-Vers: University of Oregon Version dmm-02 30-Oct-90
Posted-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:01 EST
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:57:00 GMT

 zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) says:

But this time you are so low as to betray supposed Nei4 Xian4, :-(
Obviously, you lost your credit. :-( Another question is that my
personal materials must be so important, in showing your good 
personality, that keeping the Xiao3Bian4Zi so long can make you
an competiable candidate for the model for other LITTLE MEN. :-0

      [ Don't worry so much.  I was just kidding :-).  Of course 
        I will not reveal your messages to me -- unless I really 
        want to :-). ]  

I havn't attended your funeral yet.

      [ You are cordialy invited if you promise to shao1 xiang1
        for me. ] 

 I'm from a longevity family.  80 sounds like an easy number for me. 

        [ I can see how good a mathematician you are now. ] 

Having good patience, I hope you can well past 30 though.  

        [ Then why do you want to attend my funeral? :-) ]  

PS: Enjoy your LIFE, Tuya. :) I won't response to your talk show
anymore.

        [ This worries me because your response is real important to me.
          But I guess regarding the 9201, you indeed don't have much 
          to say, at this stage of the game.  As I have predicted
          Bush will sign the bill either maoro, or the day after ]

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Subject: Re: For all Chinese foreign students
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:35:45 GMT

In article <6346@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, yndst2+@pitt.edu (Yong Duan) writes:
|> In article <92268.50786.L677459@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>
L677459@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
|> >Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
|> >Message-ID: <1992Sep24.005831.20592@odin.corp.sgi.com>
|> >
|> >Of course US felt threatened if the whole korea fell into communist's
|> >hands. Japen could be next, ever heard of the domino theory ...
|> US felt threatened when Lening had the revolution. So, they should
|> invade Russia, should not they? They also felt threatened when CCP

No, they should not and they did NOT.

|> defeated US surported KMT, US logically has to override CCP shouldn't it?

No, they should not and they did NOT.

|> So, logically, US had the intention to invade China during Korea war.

No, they should not and they did NOT.
Someone show me any history document that proves US cross the border.
CCP had the same right to send troops as US had.

|> Did you got it?

No, I did NOT get your point and I do not care either which side the right or
which side won/lose the war ......

But it was more than obvious which side won the post-war race.

|> >
|> >I know I WAS brain wahshed, and from you words above, you know you were
|> >brain-washed too.
|> >
|> >I do know live in taiwan was better, is better and will be better in the
|>                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >foreseeable future).
|> 
|> Are you sure about this? Do not be optimistic too early. Why did you
|> feel threatened when more and more countries terminated diploma relation
|> with Taiwan? Taiwan is in identity crisis, isn't it?

Of course I am sure.
Diplomatic relationship is not everything and is many cases for chinese people,
it is not even anything.

As a ROC citizen, I can go to any country to travel, for school or do business.
What about PRC citizens, can you say the same? Many can not even travel within
the country not too long ago (Do they still have Lu4 Tiau2 or letter from your
organization replaced it?).

There are offices in over a hundred of countries that do things that embassies
do. Yes, it is not formal diplomatic but it serves our needs.

Now let us talk about the "feel threatened" or the "identity crisis" part.
Please do not jump to conclusion. Like the great chinese philosophers
Chung1 Ze3 and Huey4 Ze3 once said,
"Your are not the fish, how do you know the fish were happy or not?"

If there were people in taiwan felt threatened, they were few and less as days
go by.

|> 
|> Y.Duan
From: sl5gs@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:04:04 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

gyivgylu
vktuvgku,


test

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:14:13 GMT

In article <1aidflINN6u0@phad.hsc.usc.edu> xuxianz@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Xuxian  
Zhang) writes:
> You are right. Someone just want to show their faith to ccp so that they can  
> get some benefit after they come home. I saw this kind of people for long 
> time. They drink chinese people's blood but also prentend they like China. 

I even know a person who shouted "Down with CCP" in a rally immediately after  
6/4/89 in Chicago and then acted as a dog in front of a CG consul. I think the  
reason is that people like him always feel insecure about themselves, so they  
try to prepare as many ways out as possible.


Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: A little story (Re: an unsuccessful mail forgery)
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:37:30 GMT

In article <9209290048.AA11745@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>
>          ( PSU mail deleted )
>
>          Hi, Shannon, there is no contents displayed in the message
>          except for something like "bullshi f*king shannon" in the
>          address.  Does that mean you have changed your address to
>          this new one?
>
>          I am sorta confused.  Also there is nothing about the 
>          9201 action in the message.  I frankly thought you and 9201
>          folks had decided to stop activities and concentrate
>          on growing up instead.


  Responding to a post I wrote in response to one of Shannon's posts,
  sone one asked me to refund his/her expense spent on sending out
  9201 letters.  Apparently I was mistaken as the one who were calling
  for 9201 campaign again.  Probably I should forward the letter to
  Shannon. I'm wondering how many such kind of letters Shannon has
  received. :-)

-ping

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang)
Subject: Re: Question about bringing PC to China
Keywords: PC, China
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:00:39 GMT

In <1992Oct1.174054.18997@ms.uky.edu> mai@ms.uky.edu (Mai Zhou) writes:

>I have been told that PC can not be brought into
>China as a "big item". Unless (may be) you provide
>some documents t show that it is essential in your
>research (if you are going back permanently) or
>that you are donate it to some organization.

  The donation recipient must be acadamic orgnization.

>Anyway, it is not as simple as just another "big item".

>On the other hand, you can order from Great wall computer
>in LA (?), pay here and get the machine in China.
>Their price is unreasonably high (at least was)
>and I had a bad experience. (I payed for the hard drive,
>but they just claim the hard drive is out of stock,
>and let you wait for almost a year. At the same time
>no money back is possible). SO, you are paying 1989 price
>of cash now but the product will only deliver a year later.

>Consider the fast droping PC price......that is toooo much.

>As for the 50 Hz vs 60 Hz, I do not think this is a problem.
>For the PC all work on DC. (I mean the components)
>If you still in doubt, try a notebook. And it has the 
>benifit of "if they don't allow me to bring as a big item,
>I can easily bring it back".

That's what I did.  Took a laptop back and was refused 
then brought it back.


F.Wang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Poor Man
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:22:38 GMT

In article <16056@mindlink.bc.ca> Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) writes:
>    In post <1asd8hINN6h8@liverbug.hsc.usc.edu> (6 Oct 1992) James Ou writes,
>
>> Okay, Lix, you beat me to it. I was busy yesterday and was going to cite
>> the story of "Qi2 Ren2" to Sanyee to show him that a poor man could also
>> have two wives. I wonder whether it is a crime to be poor and have two
>> wives. :-)
>
>    Sure, a poor man could have two wives.  A poor man could even enlist
>The Queen as one of his wives if he was a top under-achiever :-), as some
>"court secrets" say.  But what I said is that a poor man with only a wife
>must have been at the bottom of the social ladder in the ancient China.  I
>didn't say that men at the bottom of social ladder couldn't have more than
>one wife.  Even a man was at the bottom of the society, he was still sailing
>on a vast sea of poorer "Yuan4 Nuu3 (depressed woman)."  Sad, but that is
>the history.
>
I don't get it. Assuming for average person he should have at least 2
wives. If that is true, then at least 50% men were unmarried in that
time. (the population graph was 50 percent for men and women) Maybe that
was the reason the unmarried men were drafted first. (Sort of answering
Tuya's puzzlement)
  
......

> > It puzzles me why unmarried people should die first.  In terms of life
>> experience, those who have married, especially those who have kids, should
>> be at the top of the list, but ...
>
>    Tuya, you look at things through a west prism again :-).  In the ancient
>China, it were not "unmarried people" get drafted, it were those, who had
>older netters to care their parents and keep their names alive (married and
>have kids), go to war first.
>
>    When you talk about the traditional Chinese culture, don't start from
>"me," but think of the whole SCC family :-).
>
Tingli Pan
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,ucs.network
Subject: Re: What abbreviation is ALOHA?
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:45:02 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <BvoFqz.1Dt@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>For network expert: What is the abbreviation of the word ALOHA.
>I don't need analysis, only the origin of the abbreviation. Thanks.
>
I remember reading it from textbook many years ago. Some protocol of
network. Seems it died away.

Tingli Pan
From: wangf@unixg.ubc.ca (Frank Wang)
Subject: Re: Michael Chang's family sacrificed for him
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:05:54 GMT

In <Oct.1.16.17.13.1992.466@ruhets.rutgers.edu> zzhang@ruhets.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang) writes:

>utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:

>>In article <1992Oct1.124417.1115@acd4.acd.com> jjs@iedv7.acd.com ( James J. Song       ) writes:
>>>In article <1992Sep24.190528.26844@tamsun.tamu.edu> chen@cs.tamu.edu (Jianer Chen ) writes:
>>>>
>>......
>>>
>>>I only heard that Michael Chang's family had sold their house to 
>>>support his training. The similar stories have also taken places 
>>>in other tennis stars' families. It is not cheap to be among the 
>>>best in sports like tennis.
>>>___
>>I heard that they moved from Minnesota to the South as for a better
>>place for Michael Chang's training. Not for the financial reason. But I
>>did read something nasty about his father. Who cares.

>>Tingli Pan

>It is not unusual for a chinese family to "sacrifice" everything for
>the success of one member. However, the family odesn't do that for
>nothing. Usually, the family expects to share the benifits of the
>success of that one member. For example, I don't think Michale is
>able to claim the prize money to be only his. It is rather like
>a family business. In western countries, it would be highly unlikely
>for things like this to happen. Therefore I am not suprised to see
>people have nasty things to say about Chang's father(maybe Michale's
>father is nasty, I don't know) or his family. Chang's family is more
>chinese than american. There is the culture difference here.
>ZZZ


It's kind of investement.

F.Wang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: kxd5425@usl.edu (Du Kaisheng)
Subject: Re: Extra charge for revieving letters from abroad?
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:04:45 GMT
From: pwu@oreo.ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Can I buy a fax machine from U.S. and install in China?
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:11:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: life.28574
In-reply-to: jjs@iedv7.acd.com's message of 29 Sep 92 13:08:39 GMT


    From: jjs@iedv7.acd.com ( James J. Song       )
    Subject: Re: Can I buy a fax machine from U.S. and install in China?
    Message-ID: <1992Sep29.130839.20042@acd4.acd.com>
    Date: 29 Sep 92 13:08:39 GMT
    References: <BvBMo9.B38@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
    
    In article <BvBMo9.B38@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
    >In article <28528@life.ai.mit.edu> pwu@oreo.ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu) writes:
    >>
    >>Relax.  Just register and get on with your live.  In US, one used to have to
    >>get a license from FCC for operating a CB radio.  Now I believe the
    >>regulation/law still says the same but FCC has long stopped licensing and any
    >>one can operate a CB without a license now.  Similar things happened to China.
    >>One used to have to register his/her radio with police, in the 50's I think.
    >>Today, probably there are not many who even know such a regulation existed.
    >
    >You relax :-)  The requirement for FAX machine owners to register with
    >Public Security Bureau was imposed shortly AFTER June 4th Beijing Masscare,
    >your reasoning/prediction doesn't quiet apply here.
    >
    
    Not only that. Peng Wu was comparing apples with oranges. Fax machine is not
    wireless communication and it's really just a telephone machine except the
    signal is converted into printable characters rather than voice. Unless the
    government wants to know what's going over the telephone line, there is
    no sense to register the fax machine. 

Not so quick.  CB licensing stopped because there are just too many CBs around
and FCC can no longer handle it.  I leave the rest of the argument to your
imagination.
    
    CB radio serves practically as a broadcast machine and abusing CB radio 
    can cause many conceivable damages. So responsiblity here is required. 
    Although I don't have any CB radio, but I believe you can only use the 
    CB radio sold in the store without a license. If you want to construct 
    your own radio device, you still need to have a license. I reach this 
    conclusion because I know that you still need to get a license to be 
    an amature radio operator. 

I bet when millions join amature radio activities, the licensing will
practically stop.  So this paragraph does not support your argument either.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yang@dante.cs.uiuc.edu (Der-Shung Yang)
Subject: Re: To President Bush.
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:13:44 GMT

dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

>xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes: 
>> 
>> Dear President Bush:
>> 
>> Do you know how many eyes are watching you? They are so many
>> and they are full of wishes, wishing miracle would happen. Oh,
>> you are the messenger of lord; you can send them to heaven; 
>> you can send them to hell. All between your "Y" and "N".
>> 
>> Your mighty God, Amen!
>> 
>> A Christian.

>  You are not a Christian,  you are a Bushian.  Don't mess with Christian's
>good names.

Take it easy! I thought the original message was meant to be sarcastic, 
though I might be wrong. (Maybe you're sarcastic too? :-)

--
DerShung Yang    
yang@cs.uiuc.edu 
Beckman Institute
Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china