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From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Best Draft ever (was: 1972 Dolphins)
Date: 29 Sep 92 07:43:47 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


I've thought the same thing several times before.  Lambert, Wagner, Swann,
Stallworth, et al.  Just look at the number of HoF'ers, or those who WILL
be in the Hall someday.  That 1974 Steeler draft surely must be in the top 5.
If not actually the best ever.  If it's even possible to gage such things.
BTW, was Donnie Shell also a 1974 draftee?  If not, was he later or was he
a free agent?  Also, anybody know when Andy Russell retired?  I don't think
he won a SB because he was retired by then, but I'm not sure.  Too bad
if he didn't.
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From: exujeff@exu.ericsson.se (Jeff Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Rating the franchises.
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:18:47 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
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In article <1992Sep23.150607@IASTATE.EDU> rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner) writes:
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>From: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
>Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
>Subject: Rating the franchises.
>Message-ID: <1992Sep23.150607@IASTATE.EDU>
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>Reply-To: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
>Organization: Iowa State University
>Lines: 68

VIKINGS FRONT OFFICE RATING IS A LOW BLOW......	
LYNN IS GONE..SO IS WALKER.
THEY DID MAKE MAJOR CHANGES THIS YEAR
)

>Vikes     F    B    C    B    B-   C   (Lynn @ Walker still haunt team)

SAY? WHEN WILL CLAYTON BE BACK
THANKS

>Richard Turner
>Miami Dolphin supporter who has suffered through 6 of last 7 years
>of watching a team with no run defense - there is nothing worse!.
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From: patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Eagles thrash Cowboys...MNF
Summary: Who ever said Dallas belonged to Texas? :-)
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:08:42 GMT

In article <20984@plains.NoDak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>Did the Gang-Green defence send out a loud message to all 
>others in the NFL that any road to the Super-Bowl will
>pass through the Vet. Stadium.

Maybe -- of course, they could turn around and go 4-8 the rest of the way.
Still, it was good to see them lay the lumber on those posers from the
little cluster of mud huts up there on the Trinity.

>Did those Eagles thrash the Cowboys and silenced all this
>hype about Dallas. Granted, that Dallas is good, but 
>all those Texas teams, the OILERS included, talk more
>and do less and at the beginning of each season act as
>if the Superbowl is theirs to own.

You must be reading the Fargo rag, then -- I haven't seen much of that talk
here, and I've only lived in Houston for, oh, 27 years now...

>Between the two Texas team, Dallas has a chance but the
>loud mouthed Oilers will NEVER make it. 

You know what they say about opinions, I take it?

>As a Vikings fan , I am waiting for Moon & Co. to
>come to the Metrodome... Boy! will I enjoy the
>carnage.

Well, I have a *lot* of in-laws about 70 miles down the road from you in
Richland County and in Roberts County, South Dakota -- and they're all
Vikings fans who may have to live with a little disappointment on November
15...


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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Tampa Bay Question
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:07:01 GMT

In article <56320@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.123440.6562@dg-rtp.dg.com> zayas@satchmo.rtp.dg.com (Mike Zayas) writes:
>>In article <5613@news.duke.edu>, trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
>>|> What was Tampa Bay's initial losing streak when they came into the league,
>>|> and what was the first team that they managed to beat?
>>|> 
>>They lost their entire inaugural season (0-14), and the first 12 games of
>>their 2nd season. That makes their debut a 26 game losing streak before they
>>beat the St. Louis Cards, and followed that with a win over the Saints.
>>
>I'm pretty sure you got that in reverse. They beat the Saints and then the
>Cardinals if I remember correctly.
>
>It was awhile ago, but I'm fairly certain the Cards were the second victim
>and not the first.
>
The first win for our team came on the road against the Saints, 33 - 10,
costing, then, Coach Stram his job.  Our next win came the next week for
our first win at home versus the St. Louis Cardinals, 17 - 7 (?). I have
two questions concerning that game (as I was in St. Louis during the '78
football season going to school). Was this the Cardinal team that opened
the season with five or six wins, got blown out by 50 in mid-season, and
failed to win another game? And, was this Don Coryell's last team in St.
Louis (i.e., was Don Coryell also fired after losing to Tampa Bay)?
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From: drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Subject: Re: Raiders QBs
Reply-To: drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:06:42 GMT

In article <5845@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> 6500s931@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Huggy Bear) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.215753.7297@cerritos.edu> jacobs@cerritos.edu writes:
>
>>In article <1992Sep30.002046.19584@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>, ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad) writes:
>>> While watching the Monday night game I could have swore I heard
>>> a moaning confession issuing from Raider fans everywhere: "We were wrong.  
>>> We want Shroeder back.  Please give us Shroeder back.  We were wrong."
>>> Did you hear it too? ;-)
>
>
>
>>now! The team needs some fresh blood. And Todd is not the problem, he needs a
>
>
>
>No, Todd Marinovich is not the problem, and neither is he the answer,
>
>he isn't prepared to takeover as a starting NFL quarterback yet, and
>
>even when he is ready, he won't be the Hall of Fame type guy everyone's
>
>been saying he would be.  The Raider's quarterback "problem" is that
>
>they got rid of Steve Beurlein.
>

Maybe someone will the stats will know, but my impression from Beurlein's
attempts to play was interceptions. More than Schroder, but less than Mark
Wilson.

A Raider fan
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:29:55 EDT
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys vs Eagles

In article <1992Oct2.195124.20521@exu.ericsson.se>, lmcmasc@noah.ericsson.se
(Mauro Schena) says:

>Emmit Smith will have a big game!

Sorry.

>Troy Aikman will play good enough to WIN!

Nope.

>Cowboys - 27
>Eagles  - 23

I stopped watching at 31-7 Eagles.  Sorry.

>I guess the Eagles don't cover the 6 point spread?

Har.

>*What'cha gonna do when the COWBOYS*
>*run wild on you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*

Yeah, they could USE Hulk Hogan...

> CCCCCC    OOOOOO   WW    WW  BBBBBBB    OOOOOO   YY    YY   SSSSSS
>CCCCCCCC  OOOOOOOO  WW    WW  BBBBBBBB  OOOOOOOO   YY  YY   SSSSSSSS
>CC    CC  OO    OO  WW    WW  BB    BB  OO    OO   YY  YY   SSS   SS
>CC        OO    OO  WW    WW  BBBBBBB   OO    OO    YYYY      SSS
>CC        OO    OO  WW WW WW  BBBBBBBB  OO    OO     YY        SSS
>CC    CC  OO    OO  WWWWWWWW  BB    BB  OO    OO     YY     SSS  SSS
>CCCCCCCC  OOOOOOOO  WWW  WWW  BBBBBBBB  OOOOOOOO     YY     SSSSSSSS
> CCCCCC    OOOOOO   WW    WW  BBBBBBB    OOOOOO      YY      SSSSSS

....suck.

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From: chf0@harvey.gte.com (Curtis Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Mark Clayton
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:00:50 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories

In article <1992Sep23.135029.18994@nova.sarnoff.com> jms@vision.sarnoff.com writes:
>
>Does anyone know when Clayton is expected back. I remember hearing about
>4 weeks ago that he would be out for 4 weeks. Has that changed?

Current rumors have it that Clayton will be back in time for the Bills
game.

Curt

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			DOLFAN in New England.             
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From: vaps0de@prism.gatech.EDU (Dustin Emhart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Rules Question??
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:09:32 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In <lcektrINNrtc@west.west.sun.com> kevin@fastlane.West.Sun.COM (Kevin Janssen SUN Phoenix CSD 602-275-5537 x36) writes:


>Rules Question regarding blocked punts and muffed punt receptions.  When
>a punt is blocked and the punting team recovers the ball the ball belongs
>to the receiving team Why?  I don't have a rules book, but it seems that 
>blocking a punt is trying to catch the ball on the way up and would be 
>considered a muff if not done succesfully!! 

The (Federation, anyway) rule of thumb for blocked kicks is to ignore any
touching behind the line of scrimmage. Thus, when the kicking team recovers
a kick blocked behind the line, it's actually first touching.
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From: jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske)
Subject: Re: MNF halftime
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:17:29 GMT

heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:

>In article <56322@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes...

>>So given the opportunity to make more money at a new job where you fit in,
>>and get to move to a warm sunny climate, you yourself would turn down the
>>offer and stay with your current employer?

>Warm, sunny climate?  Can't be Wisconsin.  Yep, I'd turn it down.

Can't be Minnesota either.  I'd turn it down too.  I could probably be
convinced to move to Wisconsin though - what, you say they have mosquitos
there too?  Acutally, I do live closer to Wisconsin than the Metrodome.

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From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Re: Rison Reason
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 21:20:07 GMT

In article <AL6S0428218D99@MPA15C> MPA15C!MP@TRENGA.tredydev.unisys.com writes:
>Andre Rison, after four weeks of doing next to nothing, finally had a
>stellar day in a losing effort against "Da Bears".
>
>Was this a fluke performance due to the man in black's game plan or has
>Rison finnaly settled into the modified role he his now playing?
>
>If someone really knows what is going on would they please drop me a
>line?  I'm away from my ng feed for several days but I do have mail.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>________________________________________________________________________
>Mark Perew                     Unisys Corp - Mission Viejo Field Service
>(714) 380-5484  Fax: (714) 380-6560     Mail Stop 182    OFIS: MREW/CORP
>mp%mpa15c@trenga.tredydev.unisys.com       Mark.Perew@ofa123.fidonet.org
>============== "All opinions are mine," sayeth the poster ==============
>When opportunity knocks you still have to get up and open the door.
>

You have been misled.
This was Rison's first game of the season. 
He held out for the first two games, then was kept out of the third game
by a bitter Jerry Glanville.  The amazing thing is that he had such a 
stellar game while playing out of position.  He was replacing Michael Haynes
on the outside since Haynes was out with an injury.  Rison is back.   The
only question is will he stay with the Falcons.
Jason Gische
"the few, the embarrassed, the Jets fans"
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Thursday, 1 Oct 1992 22:59:24 EDT
From: <3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Is Rodney Peete playing?

As of today (thurs) he was off crutches.  He says he will play.  He has
not practiced.  Kramer has been taking most of the "reps" as they say.
If not, he'll be back after the New Orleans game and the bye.  The problem
was/is a sprained ankle.  Bob
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Re: Bring on the FISH (Doug Evans might not want to read
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:32:23 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

Boy, I bet Tegger REALLY HATES the Dolphins now.  Woof Woof Tegger old
boy, the Fins just had the Jills for lunch.  Tee hee.
From: roberto@foggia.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Roberto Ricca)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Novice question
Date: 4 Oct 92 05:38:10 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

Just out of curiosity, I was wondering which record, between 10-6
and 9-5-2, was the better one. In the 10-6 case, you get a better 
winning percentage (10/16 vs 9/16); in the 9-5-2 case, you get a
better win/loss ratio (9/14 vs 10/16). To add more confusion, if a
tie counts exactly like a half win, the two records are dead even.

Could anyone enlighten me?
Thanks a lot.

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From: tap1040@zeus.tamu.edu (SPEED RACER)
Subject: Re: Quaterbacks:Steve Young the best in the league
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:09:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.063311.13653@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes...
>In article <BvEBrL.CvL@acsu.buffalo.edu> v077mdph@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Snoopy) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep29.055313.3562@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, asagar@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
>>(Ashish Sagar) writes...

deleted discussion of who the best qb's are in the league...

Ashish Saga says Young is the best.  

OK.  Now for my arguement against that.  Look at what SF qb's did in the
preseason.  Even their *third string* qb had very impressive stats.  
Also, last season, Steve Bono steps right in and is one of the league's
top rated qb's.  Nobody had even heard of him before that.  Are we to
believe that SF just has phenomenal skill at finding great qb's, or is
it something about the type of offense they run?  

My arguement is that even Steve Pelleur, Craig Kupp,  or even YOU could be
a top rated qb with their offensive scheme and talented offensive personel.
That is why I say Young is overrated.  I'm not saying he isn't a good qb.
Just not a great qb.

Please note that I am exagerating a bit in my arguement that Steve Pelleur
could be a top rated passer under *any* system.  :-)


                                     Tracy      
                              Texas A&M University
				       
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From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: Offensive Weapons
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:30:49 GMT

In article <BvnJtM.13r@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:

	[ ... ]

>Keith Jackson (Best in NFL)                  Loften (all pro)

It's Lofton.

	[ ... ]

>Tony Paige (Best all-around fullback in NFL/leads dolphins in receptions)

Tony Paige is a good player, but I don't see how he can be
considered the best all-round FB in the NFL if he never runs the
ball.
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From: martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packer predictions (Re: IRON CURTAIN)
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:03:29 GMT
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science

In article <1992Sep28.181057.13241@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>In article <1a7claINNq08@uwm.edu>, paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes...

>>        All I can remember is JGH's Super Bowl prediction for the Packers.
>>	Is he a prophet or what??!!

>Last spring I also predict the Packers would go 16-0 and win the SB 
>something like 98-0.  Guess we'll have to revise that one a little.

The losses have been disappointing, but I think the Packers can save
some self-respect by going 14-2.  98-0 still seems a reasonable Super
Bowl prediction, especially if they play the Bills (the Bills have 2
former Packer on the roster (one of them starting!!), and so can't
realistically be considered a threat to score).

Another reason the Bills are no good:  they've got starters from each
of my alma maters (Va. Tech and William & Mary).
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From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Harbaugh or Aikman, and John Taylor
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:51:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.121635@IASTATE.EDU>,
scmattic@IASTATE.EDU (Felix the Cat) writes:

>
>Also:
>
>Is John Taylor on IR?????????

No, the niners already have more players on IR than they can bring
back without passing thru waivers.  It turned out Taylors injury
wasn't as serious as first thought.  Another month, he'll be back.
In the meantime, the niners eat the roster spot.

Mike
From: rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: HALF-TIME SCORES
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 29 Sep 92 08:38:44 EDT
Organization: The Other Side of Life

In article <1992Sep28.022819.23902@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
> >Anyway, the article never comes to the network until the game's over,
> >so it's really a waste of space!

> Hey, if you don't like it, just "n" it or don`t bother to
> read it.   BTW, that was the score at halftime....FYI,
> some readers appreciate it.  Like I said, down a chill
> pill.

Ah.  Another one of the "I don't know anything about USENET" weenies
raises his brain-dead head.  Typing "n" or not bothering to read it
does NOT, repeat NOT stop it from being transmitted.  The articles
still cost sites money to send, and take up disk space.  Of course,
you leech off your company, so you can safely exhibit blissfull 
ignorance about how things work.

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From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:30:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Can Bills go 16-0?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

We have the answer now.  Thanks for playing.  Consolation prizes on the way
out.
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys can kick Bills Butt
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:18:45 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1992Sep26.221757.24823@ncsu.edu> Perry@mte.ncsu.edu (Bill Perry) writes:
>(Oh, and the Lions whipped the
>Cowboys in the Playoffs, and the Redskins whipped them, so its safe to say the
>cowgirls would have gotten squished in the NFC champiomship)

HAHAHAHAHA . . . *whew* It's been a long time since I've seen anyone post
this sort of logic.  I had forgotten how funny it was to laugh at.

Hey, here's another one for you:  if you flip a coin ten times, and it
comes up heads every time, then on the eleventh flip, it is much, MUCH
more likely to come up tails!

Daniel Welch
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From: krueger@cs.uwp.edu (Gerald Krueger)
Subject: Re: Jackson and Miami
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:42:35 GMT

	I think that Jackson might quickly become Marino's favorite
	target but I'm not sure this is going to make a big difference
	in Miami's play.  Tony Paige is a great blocker, so replacing
	him with Jackson isn't going to make the running game any
	stronger.  Paige also caught quite a few passes although
	Jackson is obviously more dangerous.  I am a firm believer
	that football games are won in the trenches.  The running
	game will click when the Dolphins get more talent between
	the tackles, and the success of the defense depends on how
	much penetration the line gets.  I would rather the Dolphins
	got a premier lineman than Jackson.
						Jerry,
						Dolfan in Kenosha, WI

	Of course, if Jackson proves me wrong Sunday I won't mind :)


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