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From: smurray@cs.strath.ac.uk (Stephen Murray)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Fergie for Rangers (was Re: hands off FERGIE ya b
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:16:19 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Strathclyde, Glasgow, UK

mcsbc2gw@dct.ac.uk writes 
> David Murray tonight confirmed that Rangers tabled a bid of 2.5 million
> for Ferguson but McLean says no bids have been received and if they were,
> he confirmed that he will NOT sell Ferguson to any Club especially Rangers.

Here's what will happen. DUFC will sell Fergie to Spurs (or maybe Chelsea or
Everton) for about 1.8 milion, and he will play for them for about a year,
before being transferred to Rangers for 2.5 million in summer 94. The clubs
will then get a pre-season frendly out of it.
Did somebody mention Richard Gough ???

> Now that United have unearthed him (Ferguson) and polished him off, they want
> the finished article at a knock down price! And why not!

Coz Tannadice is a cess-pit and Dundee Utd need the dosh to bring it up to
standard in time for the Taylor report deadline

> Where were Rangers when Gough first went on trial there? 
> Did they sign him and develop his talent?

No. They let him develop at Tannadice where they got four or five seasons
out of him before flogging him to Spurs for less than they would have got from
Rangers.

> Rangers fans may call me a bigot for using the term, Hun, to
> describe their LOYAL following but then I don't chant sectarian songs

Absolutely, coz the Dundee United strip is TANGERINE. That colour would never
be considered ORANGE would it ???

> McLean should say nothing to the press, stick Ferguson in the reserves until
> 1998.

And all the LOYAL fans would really stand by that decision wouldn't they ???

> The "Loyal" Rangers following(who pissed off between 1980 and 1986 but
> came back following Sounesss' first championship)

I can rember the scenes in 1983 when Tannadice was packed with folk when you
won the League. Where are all of them now ???

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"Happiness is a time, a place, a memory, a chemical imbalance or shift"

PS Maurice Malpas is the best right-footed left-back I have ever seen
From: simonh@napier.uk.sun.com (Simon Hunt - Sun EHQ)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: What is with Liverpool
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:32:12 GMT
Reply-To: simonh@napier.uk.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems (UK) Ltd
NNTP-Posting-Host: napier.uk.sun.com

In article 4913@westminster.ac.uk, zuvec@westminster.ac.uk (Kostaky Savva) writes:
>simonh@napier.uk.sun.com (Simon Hunt - Sun EHQ) writes:
>: 
>: 
>: In article D933DDEC0000819D@knox.bitnet, PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU writes:
>: >       Hi there,
>: >          Liverpool is not doing well this year and I think there are some
>: 
>: Oh really - what do you define 'not doing well' to be?  If you mean they won't
>: win anything then you're undoubtedly right.  But with Liverpool's resources it
>: will be a matter of time until they buy their way out of trouble.  They're not
>: in any danger of relegation are they?  I'm a Gillingham supporter...(honest)
>
>Liverpool are only 6-9 points above the bottom three. Considering that at the 
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
               
ONLY 6-9 points above the bottom three!  Well, they're also 6-9 points adrift from
the top few too.  We have a name for that: mid-table. 

>moment they are not an 'in-form' club, that can be quite worrying. And      
>Liverpool's resources have been stretched for building a new stand. Also there
>is'nt any players worth buying at the moment (except Ferdinand)
>-- 

Personally, I'd be more worried if I was an Oldham or Middlesbrough fan (I'm not).
They're my tips for relegation, although I was at the Boro v QPR game a couple of 
weeks ago, and Middlesbrough were unluck to lose it 1-0.  It was poetic justice 
that Ferdie scored the winner - every time he touched the ball the Boro fans 
started chanting 'F**k off Ferdinand' because of Keegan's interest in the player
(Middlesbrough and Newcastle fans don't get along, apparently).

Agreed, Ferdinand is worth buying, but not by Liverpool.  After seeing the state
of Liverpool's defence against Bolton, I would opt for a defensive-minded midfielder
along the lines of Paul Allen of Spurs.  

When I said 'resources' in my earlier post I was referring largely to players, not
money.  They should sell half their current squad - the London contingent first
(Michael Thomas and Paul Stewart) before their poor form decreases their value
too much.

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How?



simon*hunt
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Scottish Journalism!
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:00:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.144052.3021@dct.ac.uk>, mcssecgm@dct.ac.uk writes:
> 
> 
> mclean is surely trying to keep his best players!!He doesn't
> develop youngsters then sell them to other league clubs.
> ok, maybe Ferguson can enhance his career by moving to a bigger
> club, and if he is determined, he probably will get his move.
> But the point I am trying to make is no media person should be
> able to entice/advise a player, especially a young in the spotlight
> talent like DF, in a national newspaper, to leave a club like Utd.

        If you read the article carefully that Gerry McNee wrote (I didnt
buy the DAILY EXPRESS, someone else did :-)  ), he is right in a few things. 
Its ridiculous that young players like Ferguson should have contracts until
1998.  He's only 21 and shouldn't be tied down like that.  McNee is probably
right in saying that United are in decline but I'm sure the Utd fans have
got a lot more to offer on this point.  Anyone agree/disagree ?  McLean has 
been good for United and Scotland in general but some of his managerial 
decisions in the past few years have been ludicrous.
	
McNee talks a lot of nonsense and tries to be sensationalist but sometimes,
just sometimes he gets it right.

> 
> What would happen if he carried this on and suggested McStay to go to Juventus
> say or Durrant to leave Rangers and go to Man.Utd/Milan. Uproar I guess from
> either club. He'll get a job with the SFA yet, I am sure!!
> 



	McStay to Juventus ?   Don't be daft, the nearest he got to Italy 
was an *enquiry* from a newly promoted team, Udinese I think it was.

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From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: USSF F@#$ing IDIOTS!! (the point)
Date: 23 Jan 1993 16:31:01 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Folks,

The USA : Denmark match is taking place SATURDAY Jan 30, and not
Sunday Jan 31 (the date of the STUPOR Bowl). Now, when it will
be televised on SportsChannel (and maybe Univision?) is left to
the vagueries of commercial TV, but there will not be a direct
overlap in the playing times.

Even if the match is televised on Sunday the 31st, it will be early
enough (1 PM EST - Univision; 3 PM EST SportsChannel) so as not to
take place during the Stupor bowl (6 PM EST).

If anyone has any concrete TV listings for the match, please post them.

Chris

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From: paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: London Fixtures
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:52:39 GMT
Reply-To: paull@plasma.co.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

In article 2855@eagle.ukc.ac.uk, sdm2@ukc.ac.uk (S.D.Mitchell) writes:
>Well Hi There! I've actually sussed out how to use this thing. 
>
>Have thoroughly enjoyed the recent postings, especially on 'Smiler' McLean.     Unfortunately I don't get the Daily Rebel down here so it's nice to be able 
>to keep abreast of the scene back home.
>
>Since Kent isn't exactly the centre of the football world (Gillingham included) I was wondering if anyone knew of any exciting football fixtures coming up in 
>London and if tickets are required and how to get them. I wouldn't mind going
>to Stamford Bridge to see wee Spenny, Flecky and if he gets over his injury     problems , Spacks.  
>                                                                                For ever and ever we'll follow the Gers, the Glasgow Rangers, The Teddy Bears.
>
>   Yours etc.
>              Stuarty,
>              Copland Rd, Blue, J-23. (Currently occupied by Big Tam).
>    
>t

This Saturday (30th Jan) is Chelsea v Sheffield Wednesday. I shall be in the
away end cheering on the Owls........

Pay on the day eight quid for the away end, don't know about the home end.
There you go!

Hoppy


---


		Cheers,
			Paul Lee (Hoppy)


			Meiko Scientific Ltd.

			Email: paull@meiko.com
From: P.J.D.Hamilton@newcastle.ac.uk (Pete Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: N. Ireland matches?
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:14:45 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

Hi,
  I've just returned to university from Ireland so I'll try to post Irish
League results whenever possible. Can anyone post midweek matches, as I find it
hard to get the results of these.

Pete.
From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: No Rangers Match Report
Date: 25 Jan 93 10:24:42 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

The Rangers/Aiberdeen game was called off twenty minutes before kick-off on
Seturday due to a waterlogged pitch. It was a bit of a dampner as I was ready
in my seat with clippers and knitting needles for the shearing.

Anyway, it means a horrendous number of fixtures for the Bears between now
and the end of the season, after this week there shouldn't be a midweek free,
just the preperation required for the Champions League.


-- 
 Scott Jackson              e-mail scottj@spider.co.uk
 Spider Systems
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 Sco'lind                    great than others admittedly." - A McCoist
Xref: sparky rec.sport.soccer:20346 soc.culture.italian:6048
From: dvp@getafix (Dave Parry)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: SPURS AND MAN U  PLAYERS ????
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:21:55 GMT
Organization: The Mountains of Madness
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

$chiucs@brandonu.ca wrote:

:   

:           Can anyone post the present line-up for Spurs and Man united ?
:           I have lost touch of English Football for 3 years already.
:              
:                 THANKS!!!!

Sorry, not sure about Spurs these days, but can supply you the United
line up :-

Goal: 		Peter Schmeichal (Danish International)
		Les Sealey (Recently resigned from Aston Villa as cover)

Defenders:	Denis Irwin
		Paul Parker
		Clayton Blackmore
		Steve Bruce
		Gary Pallister
		Lee Martin

Midfield:	Bryan Robson
		Paul Ince
		Mike Phelan
		Ryan Giggs
		Lee Sharpe
		Keith Gillespie
		Russell Beardsmore
		Andrei Kanchelskis (Ukranian International)

Attack:		Mark Hughes
		Brian McClair
	        Eric Cantona (signed from Leeds before Christmas)
		Dion Dublin (signed from Cambridge United during
		             the close season, but has been out
			     injured since early September)

At present, United's preferred starting lineup is :-

		Schmeichal

		Parker
		Bruce
		Pallister
		Irwin

		Sharpe
		Ince
		McClair
		Giggs

		Hughes
		Cantona

Hughes and Cantona have been injured for the last few games, so the
current (temporary) lineup is :-

		Schmeichal
		
		Parker
		Bruce
		Pallister
		Irwin

		Kanchelskis
		Ince
		Phelan
		Sharpe

		Giggs
		McClair

Note, that even though Bryan Robson is back from injury, there's no
place for him at present. 

Hope this is helpful,

Regards

Dave
From: Martin.Phillipson@vuw.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Keegan & New Contract??
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:25:29 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I heard a rumour from someone at home that Keegan has signed up for three
years at Newcastle. Is this true? Exiled NUFC fans need to know. Also,
anybody got any info on our relentless search for some firepower upfront,
was Keegan serious about Ferdinand? Also, when is the Rotherham replay?

Oh, one last request, anybody who stays up nights by their computer? Please
send me the result of tonight's match against Luton when it comes through.

Cheers and haway the lads!!!


Martin
From: dvp@getafix (Dave Parry)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Souness you darling !
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:15:22 GMT
Organization: The Mountains of Madness
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU wrote:

:       Well, you will not have much to laugh about if Souness is fired!!!!!!!!!
: Post-Souness Liverpool(assuming that Souness will be fired) will ba back,
: stronger and without Souness to interfere with game patterns.  If Souness goes,
Who's "you"? The net in general or an individual on the net?

: changes for the better will take place.  I don't think that even if he is not
: fired, he will last 20 years.  The league without Souness may be much better.
:       Liverpool will bounce back pal.  It may not be this season, it may not be
: next season, it may not be the season after that, but it will bounce back.
:       As for United, well, 26 years of futility maybe 27 this year.  Let's see
: if United will win a league title before 2000 comes!!!!!!!!!
:       I tell you, you will not laugh much if Souness is fired.  If the firing of
:    Souness turns Liverpool around, then go ahead Liverpool, FIRE HIM!!
:       And I have seen enough humiliation at Liverpool already.  Maybe Souness's
You keep mentioning "you" and "United", are you talking to me Panos?
If so, please make it clear - i.e. quote part of an article you're
responding to.

:    days are numbered.
:       And that's not good news for the rest of the league(including United).
:       Don't be so sure about winning the title this year.
:       Maybe Souness will be your ex-darling he he he he he he he he he he he
:       Question: what happened in 1967?
:                                                                      Panos
United won the league.(????!!! - why?)

Let's just clear sonething up here, I'm not laughing at Liverpool. As
I pointed out to you in the email I sent you (which you didn't respond
to), United's been there quite a few times and I know what it's like!
If you want a reasonable discussion on the Liverpool/United rivalry etc.
then fair enough, let's do it, and I'm sure there's plenty of netters 
who'd be happy to contribute. If, however, you just fancy a war, then 
that's fair enough too, we can have one of those instead.

I promise I won't call you a 'Greek git' anymore, unless another war
starts.

Regards

Dave
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: john7552@mach1.wlu.ca (Niall Johnson u)
Subject: WC '94/Sammer/Futre
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:27:29 GMT

World Cup qualifying
====================

Europe - Group 1
----------------

At Valetta, Malta.

Malta	0	Portugal	1

Next games
Feb. 17	Scotland v Malta
Feb. 24 Portugal v Italy

--

Transfers
=========

Sammer
------
German Matthias Sammer returns to Germany. He leaves the substitutes bench
at Inter to join Borussia Dortmund. Inter have been playing Sosa, Shalimov
and Pancev as their 3 imports, thus leaving no place for Sammer.

Futre
-----
Atletico Madrid sent their Portugese striker Futre to Benfica for an
undisclosed sum.

--
Ciao

Niall Johnson,			"Time flies when you do most of your real work
Dept. of Geography,		 after midnight - five months can go by and it
Wilfrid Laurier University.	 feels like one sleepless night."
     john7552@mach1.wlu.ca			 	Hunter S. Thompson
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: jwk@sequent.com (John "F. Leghorn" Kramer)
Subject: Re: #############  UK fans, PLEASE GO!  ###############
Keywords: new.newsgroup
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 09:03:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.010042.6383@cbfsb.cb.att.com> pampa@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (ruben.a.mazzulla) writes:
>
>dear english (scotish/irish/ect) fans please form your own group
>(rec.soccer.england, rec.soccer.british, rec.soccer.whatever) and
>make things easier for the rest of us.  there's no need for splitting
>the existing group!!  ...just leave, the rest will be Ok!
>
>
>one reason is the amount of messages you guys generate.  if i spend 3 
>days out-of-contact with my system when i return i found 350+ messages 
>out of which 80%+ belong to your neters.  and i have to spend valuable 

This seems a somewhat "apartheid" approach...excluding the majority. I'd
be happy for a separate group personally, so as to not have whingers like
yourself moaning about British football all the time, and other "expert"
commentators on the British game, who are so bored by it but only
contribute derogatory posts on OUR game (allo Mischa, my old Dutch!)
and precious little else.

A more appropriate cut would be split for a results section, a "press
release" type section, and finally a character asassination section
for our dear BELOVEDs. Football is the only true international sport
(opps, almost forgot the baseball world series went to Canada this year :-)
and needs to remain this way.
From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SwRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: re: Re: World Cup hosts
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:45:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.9301261445.AA11054
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

---------------------------
>All very well, but those 6 feet either side will make a difference. A pitch
>68 yards wide would be considered very narrow in professional football,
>and somewhat constricting. I remember reading that Arsenal had one of the
--------------------------

You're right. But the original post that started this thread was about how 
Americans were going to ruin the game, etc, etc. The FACT is that the field 
might be 6 feet narrow. Crucial? No. Discernable ? Sure. I'm not sure what 
the schedule is, but I feel reasonably certain that the entire Cup will not 
be sacrificed because one field is (legal but) narrow.

This seems like coals to Newcastle. The decision's made. Now let's see what 
happens. (Is the glass half empty or half full?)

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From: henrique@white.dfci.harvard.edu (Henrique M. Silva)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: test
Date: 22 Jan 1993 15:12:45 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

  ONLY A TEST
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: ianett@di.unipi.it (Francesco Ianett)
Subject: Re: AC Milan: What's "AC"
Organization: Dipartimento di Informatica, Universita' di Pisa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:45:11 GMT

You're absolutely right:
AC means "Associazione Calcio", in fact is "Football Club".

                                          Alessio F Bragadini
From: bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: div. 3 relegation?
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:10:26 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bnsgs179.bnr.co.uk

In article <1j6ridINN1lr@uk-news.uk.sun.com> simonh@napier.uk.sun.com writes:
>Hi.
>
>Does anyone on the net know what is happening about the team that finishes bottom 
>of div. 3 this season (currently Gillingham)?  I suspect that there will be no
>relegation to the Conference as Maidstone United (Gillingham's former local rival
>team) folded before playing a game.  It will be poetic justice if our local rivals
>keep us in the league!  (Of course, we've not finished bottom yet.  It's probably 
>too late to win the division, though...)
>
>I seem to remember that there was talk of another Conference team going up at the
>beginning of the season to take the 'Stones place.  But this didn't happen...

First of all, could you try keeping your lines inside 80 columns? Try
reading this followup in a window (I presume you use a Sun) with 80
columns to see what it looks like for the rest of us.

Now the good news. There was not going to be any relegation from the 3rd
division this season anyway. The intent was to increase the division by
two clubs, but in fact it is now shrunk by one due to the demise of
Aldershot and Maidstone. I suspect that that there won't be any relegation
for a couple of seasons until the size is right. So there's plenty of
time for Glenn Roeder to get Gillingham out of the hot water yet.


-- 
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BNR Europe Ltd, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. 
Phone : +44 81 945 2174 or +44 81 945 4000 x2174
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From: maradona@vax1.mankato.msus.edu (Ahsan Habib Khan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: World Cup tickets info requested
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:49:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: vax1.1993Jan25.144930.2813
Organization: Mankato State University

Hi,

Can anyone give some information on the World Cup'94 tickets and how I can
get them ? Please send the info to my E-Mail address.

Thanks in advance.

PeAcE

Regards,
Ahsan
Mankato State University,
Mankato, Minnesota.
Maradona@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
From: am5q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andy Yin Meau)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: 30 min sudden death
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:59:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.ofNAJ9e00iUy8AQXhw
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

According to Visconti Marcello Alfredo, there will be a 30 min sudden
death extra time after a tie during the regulation time.  I think that
this new rule is stupid as hell.  If a game was tied during the 90 min,
all the excitement would usually be focused on the 2 15 min extra time. 
You would never know what's going to happen in those 30 min.  If they
convert it to the sudden death system, there would be no chance for the
losing team to catch up, and thus, loses most of the excitement. 
Remember the FA Cup Final between Liverpool and Everton in 1990 (I
think), which was 1-1 during regulation time?  Even though Everton lost
3-2 at the end, but they still had levelled the game at 2-2 during extra
time.  Now I call that excitement.  Losing teams trying to equilize
after conceding a goal during extra time.  So please don't make any more
stupid changes, FIFA.  The back pass rule is stupid enough.

Andy