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From: Joe.Novello@p0.f732.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Novello)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Re: Vacuum
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 06:38:34 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/732.0 - Lincoln County Scho, Newport OR

Hi Ron,
 
Yeh, I do need your snail mail address to send plans. Haven't yet 
figured out an easy way (or any way) to send graphics via this BBS. 
If you know of a way, let me know....othewise snail mail willhave 
to do.
 
Joe



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From: Joe.Lonardo@f516.n2613.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Lonardo)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Vacuum
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 13:02:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2613/516 - TechRoom, Honeoye NY

Joe-

I didn't think you would be getting all of this traffic about the 'vacuum thing'.  It may be time to go into business for yourself - distributing plans and all.

I have received the plans in the mail and thank you for them.  I'm going to
'show' my principal the device......got a job for me? ;-)

Keep 'em flying!

-Joe-  :-{)}


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From: David.Wirick@p0.f732.n105.z1.fidonet.org (David Wirick)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Help with Pneumatic Structures
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:31:03 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/732.0 - Lincoln County Scho, Newport OR

I am wanting to develop a unit for my Advanced Drafting class dealing 
with Pneumatic Structures. The one source I do have is a puplication by 
Davis  titled Exploring Construction Systems. Does any one know of other 
good sources of information, or units that have already been developed?
   Thanks for any help you might be able to give me.
                      David Wirick
                      Waldport High School
                      On the beautiful Oregon Coast



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From: Paul.Mcnair@p0.f45.n342.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Mcnair)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Electronics Curriculum
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 10:39:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:342/45.0 - SPQR, Edmonton AB

90
Jerry: in addition to my last message, I would be very interested in  hearing about the program and operation of the mobile electronics labs.   We have tried it in our province with a variety of outcomes and are still  looking at it as an alternative in the Career and Technology Studies  areas.  



 # GateOrigin: 89:701/204@imex


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From: Ron.Chartrand@f118.n244.z1.fidonet.org (Ron Chartrand)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Re: tech&puppets
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:50:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:244/118 - Renzo's Roost, Hamilton ON

Try  Disney Animation Studio.


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From: Shane.Kenneally@f734.n153.z1.fidonet.org (Shane Kenneally)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Re: VACUUM
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:46:01 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:153/734 - ED-NET 9600, Vancouver BC

Vern, if you manage to get a set of plans for the hovercraft I woex.would 
like to obtain a copy. Also I am interested in building a full size 
hovercarft, does anyone have any plans? I teach at Churchill Sec. in 
Vancouver. Our new Technology program is going over really well. Hope you can 
help with the plans. Leave me a message if you get them! Thanks, Shane 
Kenneally


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From: Lynda.Meenan@f360.n322.z1.fidonet.org (Lynda Meenan)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Are You There???
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 11:17:04 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:322/360 - Cul De Sac, Holliston MA

Paddy, I am writing to see if you receive this.  I'm on Cul De Sac in
one of the K12 net areas called Technology Education.  This should
connect to Spacemet, but it doesn't seem to.  Let me know if you get
this message sent via Cul De Sac.  I'll also ask the sysop how to
connect to Spacemet via Cul De Sac since I'm on Cul everyday collecting
math etc.  BYE!


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From: Tom.Winn@p1.f10.n3401.z1.fidonet.org (Tom Winn)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: VACUUM
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 20:26:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3401/10.1 - The HOLE in the WAL, Mount Vernon WA

Hey Joe,
  Passed your idea to our tech teacher and he also thinks it's great and
it will fit into his curriculum well.  Could you send us a set of the
plans as well please?  We and the kids thank you!
  In case you aren't sending this by modem, the address is:

Tom Winn
La Conner School District
P.O. Box D / 404 - 6th Street
La Conner, WA 98257  (USA)

 * Freddie 1.2 * So why CAN'T we have the best education system in the world?



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From: Carol.Nauss@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Nauss)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: GREAT
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:09:15 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

Dennis...:)  Sorry I couldn't be of more help but in talking to a computing 
friend who is much more knowledgible than I, he agreed that it sounded like 
an alignment problem.  If you are going to buy a 1541 than I would suggest 
stay away from the 1541 II which has its own power supply.  These tend to 
burn out rather quickly.  If you can find a 1541 you won't have that problem. 
 They seem to be hardier all the way around.  Carol

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From: Dennis.Shepard@f2.n3820.z1.fidonet.org (Dennis Shepard)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Re: LEARNING
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:49:47 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3820/2 - The Lyceum, Brownsville TX

for me to order an alignmnent program it would cost $20.00 .   to buy a brand new 1541 II with power supply and all for $60 bucks it would probably be a lot better to buy a new one.  I dont know if the alignment program will work for BLUE CHip drives, because they might not be the same as the 1541, but they might have similar mechanics.   I dont think I could find a technitian very near where we live.  I guess I should tell him to either try the alignment program and/or buy a newer drive.
see ya
thanks
Dennis


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From: rparker@eagle.csc.calpoly.edu (Earendil)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Re: Vacuum
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:21:02 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo


In article <39730.2B5D0804@puddle.fidonet.org> Ron.Haefner@f112.n285.z1.fidonet.org (Ron Haefner) writes:
>UH!  snail address??  Internet ok? rhaefner@nde.unl.edu  If this is not
>what you need for an address, please let me know.  I will try to get
>you what you need.  Thanks.
>  SLMR 2.1a  On the other hand.....you have different fingers.
>
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   What Joe was meaning by Snail address is the common name that people call
the Postal service mail.  (Slow as a snail...:)  He is just asking for an
address that he can mail the info to by mail.  

Rick Parker  

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Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
From: milt_petruk@crame.educ.ualberta.ca (Milt Petruk)
Subject: Announcement: Math Course
Followup-To: k12.ed.tech
Organization: Canadian Center for the Development of Instructional Computing
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:50:34 GMT



Jan 20, 1993

The Provincial Government of Alberta, in conjunction with the University of
Albertas Canadian Center for the Development of Instructional Computing,
is pleased to announce the completion of Level 4 Mathematics.  This is a
self-contained full year senior level high school mathematics course
delivered totally online and stored on CD-ROM.

----------------------------------------------------

Level 4 Mathematics CD-ROM is a complete course in grade 12 university
entrance-level math.  The equivalent course, when taught in the normal
classroom is more than 125 hours of instruction.  The CD-ROM version
occupies just under 60 mb and  runs on any Macintosh with 2.5 mb with
System 6.0.x and 4mb with System 7.x.  It displays on a 9 inch monochrome
screen.

The course consists of 7 units, Polynomial Functions, Exponential Functions
& Logarithms, Sequences, Series & Limits, Trigonometry, Conic Sections,
Statistics and Permutations & Combinations.  Each unit is divided up into
topics (the number of topics in a unit varies) and each topic is divided up
into several objectives.

Students use a menu-driven front end to display a choice of units.  They
select the unit of choice by clicking on it.  This displays a choice of
topics for that parti
on it.  Students can then choose to take a tutorial on that topic or be
tested on it by entering an interactive test bank dealing with that topic. 


In addition to tutorials which are loaded with animated graphics
three-dimensional movies and interactive learning sequences, students have
access to explorers in four of the units,  Polynomial Functions,
Exponential Functions & Logarithms,  Trigonometry, and Conic Sections. 
Explorers allow students to vary the parameters of equations in each of
these units and instantly observe the effects in a graph window.

---------------------------------------------------

Further details can be obtained from:

Dr. Milt Petruk, Director
The Canadian Center for the Development of Instructional Computing
Room 3-102 Education North
Faculty of Education
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6G 2G5
Telephone (403) 492-3935  Fax (403) 492-3179 

or by 

Internet: milt_petruk@crame.educ.ualberta.ca

Dr. Petruk will also be presenting at the Florida Educational Technology
Conference in Tampa, Feb. 2-5, 1993.  He will be available to meet with any
interested parties.

:o)

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From: Tom.Leahy@p0.f1000.n356.z1.fidonet.org (Tom Leahy)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Networking
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 11:03:46 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:356/1000.0 - Coos Bay Public Sch, Coos Bay OR

Has anyone developed a
 
 



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From: John.Vickers@f715.n351.z1.fidonet.org (John Vickers)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.health-pe
Subject: Did you Get?
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 06:42:29 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:351/715 - Master's Touch, Ucluelet BC

 > Your post from Jan 9th is still visible on our Spacemet BBS system.
 > There is  no need to repost.  It sounded delicious.

Thankyou, it's difficult to know sometimes when your in the middle of a conversation and then one participant just drops out of the conversation, but is still in *sight* within the echo.....<sigh, imperfections of the media>

John


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From: Helen.Sternheim@f109.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Helen Sternheim)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.health-pe
Subject: Did you Get?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:02:28 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/109 - Pioneer Valley PCUG, Amherst MA

In a message of <22 Jan 93  07:11:44>, John Vickers (1:351/715) writes:

 JV>I posted a w/c seafood recipe to you on the 09-01-93 did you get it yet 
 JV>or not?
 JV>
 JV>If it's gone into the void I'll repst it to you, just let me know?
 JV>
Your post from Jan 9th is still visible on our Spacemet BBS system.  There is  
no need to repost.  It sounded delicious. 



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From: dlytle@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Don Lytle)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.health-pe
Subject: The Association for the Study of Play Conference
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:19:57 GMT
Reply-To: dlytle@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: oavax.csuchico.edu

ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PAPERS

TASP 1993 - St. Paul, MN
The Association for the Study of Play
April 22 - 24, 1993 % The St. Paul Hotel % St. Paul, Minnesota

       The Association For The Study of Play (TASP) will hold its 1993 annual meetings in St. Paul, Minnesota.  The conference will begin Thursday and continue until Saturday, April 24.  There will be featured speakers, playshops, and forums for the discussion and presentation of research papers on all aspects of play research, theory, performance and behavior.
	TASP conferences traditionally have provided a mechanism by which researchers in diverse fields have the opportunity to share ideas and interact in a friendly and collegial atmosphere.
       Papers and proposals for panel sessions or tutorials related to the broad study of play are invited.  Sessions include, but are not limited to:
 - Humor, laughter
 - Computer and cyperspace play
 - Folklore
 - Children's play behavior
 - Cross-cultural play
 - Body work and play art
 - Performance 
 - Anthropology of festive play
 - Sport
 - Literary playfulness

Deadline for submission of abstracts is February 5, 1993.

Send abstracts (100 word maximum), audio-visual needs, and registration fees (made payable to TASP) to:

Dr. Don Lytle
Department of Physical Education
California State University, Chico  95929-0330. 
Bitnet/E-Mail: DLYTLE@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU; FAX: 916 898-4932; 
Phone: {916} 898-6617 or 898-6373 {message}/894-5028 {evening}.
From: John.Vickers@f715.n351.z1.fidonet.org (John Vickers)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.health-pe
Subject: Did you Get?
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:11:44 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:351/715 - Master's Touch, Ucluelet BC

Hi Janice,

I posted a w/c seafood recipe to you on the 09-01-93 did you get it yet or not?

If it's gone into the void I'll repst it to you, just let me know?

John


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From: Janice.Kibbe@f302.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Janice Kibbe)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.health-pe
Subject: strange run cont.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 07:25:16 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/302 - SpaceMet South 1, Holyoke MA

Hi,
     It was great to hear from you again.  I'm so happy to hear things are turning out find for your son.  Isn't it true what you said about them being fine in front of the doctor?  Or, how about when they were small and it was time for their check-up and they would fall and get a huge egg or black and blue the day before the check-up.  Then the doctor would always ask the child, "How did this happen?"  
     My son broke his arm last spring playing basketball at a neighbors house.  The fell on his wrist and had to have it reset.  At the medical center he saw about six different people including the orthopedic doctor.  Every one of them asked him "How did this happen?"  Believe it or not one of the nurses even asked my daughter who was with me how it happened. It sure does make a parent feel guilty about nothing, doesn't it?  
     Is your son involved in any sport activity?  Maybe a town soccer program or basketball league would help him strengthen his legs while making friends and trying something new.  Plus they always need concerned parents as coaches!
     Good luck and hope to hear from you again.


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From: Janice.Kibbe@f302.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Janice Kibbe)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.health-pe
Subject: Did you Get?
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:17:06 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/302 - SpaceMet South 1, Holyoke MA

Yes I did get your recipe.  It sounds delicious.  I plan to get the ingredients when I grocery shop this week.  I'll let you know how much we enjoy it at that time.  
     I'm sorry I haven't written much.  I began my new student teaching position last week and have been extremely busy preparing things for my class in the evening.  Doesn't leave too much time for computing.  
     In fact, I have to go now and get things ready for tomorrow.  I'll talk to you later and promise to send some recipes along.  We do a lot of chicken -- do you like chicken recipes?


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From: Phil.Spooner@p0.f23.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Phil Spooner)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.business
Subject: RE: InFo
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 17:14:21 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/23.0 - HI TECH TOOLS / Lib, Portland OR

Hi Jeff,  Thanks for the information.  I'm sure I'll have some other 
questions soon.  Until then, take it easy.   :)
 
Peace,
--Phil



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Newsgroups: k12.ed.business
From: arowe@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (B. Anne Rowe)
Subject: Response to work experience
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 18:23:50 GMT

You may want to implement the cooperative education method of
instruction that includes paid employment.  Many times an
employer will value only those services that carry a cost.  If
an employer pays for the work, he/she will want their money's
worth and will put more effort into training.

Good luck!

Anne Rowe, Department of Education, Richmond, VA
From: Brennan.Sheppard@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Brennan Sheppard)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.business
Subject: WORK EXPERIENCE
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 20:34:38 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

Business education teachers:  I am a high school
business teacher looking for some information
concerning work experience for secretarial students in
the school environment.  We teach a one year
secretarial program at my school.  As part of the
program the students spend one day a month with the
office secretaries.  They are supposed to get
experience with the phone system, filing, and
receptionist duties.
  
The problem is that the secretaries don't seem to have
time to help the students out as we feel they should. 
Do you have this problem?  How have you dealt with it
successfully?  Thanksinadvance.
Brennan Sheppard 

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From: Andrew.Probert@f20.n772.z3.fidonet.org (Andrew Probert)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.business
Subject: Re: Educational finance
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 01:28:28 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:772/20 - IBM NZ Ltd Gate, Auckland

G'day, David. You said

DR=8>you miss an essential item there... what control would the
  =8>billionaries have over the operations of this enterprise
  =8>and what reward do they get for allowing this to happen?

DR=8>Billionaires are not known for their abandonment of control
  =8>over their resources or lack of capabilitiy either
  =8>politically or legally or financially to protect their
  =8>capacity....

DR=8>I can tell you for a fact that many people i know (not biullionaires) for
  =8>far lesser sums would consider investing their money beyond
  =8>reach of US taxes or regulations if it looked as if they
  =8>were going to be forced to lose control over it here...
  =8>all that would result is the decapitalization of
  =8>America....

DR=8>Thoughts folks?

Well, David. I think you have got a very good point here. However, I am
afraid that i can not take responsibility for the idea which you are
criticising. Paul Huang floated the idea in front of me, and he says
that the idea came from an issue of the Forbes magazine. I was just
suggesting circumstances in which the idea might work. But of course you
are right . The real problem would be trying to get the billionaires to
part with control over their money in the first place. The
decapitilisation problem would arise also if you could succeed in the
scheme.
So point taken. I hope to hear from you again sometime.

Bye,

Andrew



DR=8>David Rahfeldt


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From: Reinhold.Quillen@f804.n800.z3.fidonet.org (Reinhold Quillen)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.business
Subject: TELEMARKETING COMPUTER
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 07:34:46 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:800/804 - Oracle PC-Network, Flinders Park Sth Aust Austra

Over the past two years, I have developed
a voice telephone telemarketing computer system
which can be used for making telephone calls
(outbound) and for accepting incoming calls 
(inbound). My system interacts with the called/
calling party by being able to detect both
touch-tone and pulse-digit (decadic dialing)
responses. It can also emulate the American-
style tape recorder telemarketing systems.
I already have some commercial systems running
in Adelaide (South Australia). I am interested
in finding out from our overseas friends for
which industries these systems are being used
for (specifically in the United States). 


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From: Andrew.Probert@f20.n772.z3.fidonet.org (Andrew Probert)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.business
Subject: Overseas contacts     2/
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 01:28:26 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:772/20 - IBM NZ Ltd Gate, Auckland

>>> Continued from previous message
Well, I don't really have any opinions on GST. It isn't really an issue
here in NZ anymore even in academic circles. GST is not really a problem
once you have got. The problem is in how and when the tax should be
first introduced. Essentially in concept at least the tax is an
efficient and quite good idea. As long as people know what the value of
a product is with a tax and is without it then their pattern of choices
shoud not be affected to any great degree. Of course retailers may be
tempted to advertise a product at its pre tax priceto make it appear
cheaper than it really is. In this case GST can pose a problem. We here
in NZ have been having a few problems with retailers trying this trick.
The question you in Australia face is not so much whether or not such a
tax should be introduced at all but rather what the tax should
specifically consist, ie at what level it should be set and what
exacytly it should cover, and how it should be introduced and
implemented. The underlying concept behind such a tax is such a good
idea that it is bound to be introduced into Australia eventually in some
form or other.
I hope this was of some help.

Anyway, I have got to go. I will be eagerly awaiting your reply.

Bye,

Andrew
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From: Iain.Macpherson@f405.n622.z3.fidonet.org (Iain Macpherson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Computer Aides
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:44:08 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:622/405

IM>What a lovely title!
IM>Sounds like an interesting and helpful sort of job.
IM>We have several part-time aides at our school but  they aren't
IM>really trained well - they tend to be older staid women with
IM>little ambition to learn the computer side of things. I could
IM>certainly use some help but they mainly score integration and
IM>printing work in other areas of the school. I give up about
IM>15-20 hours of home-time to go back to school nights to catch up
IM>on computer maintenance and preparation.

IM>Wanna work in Australia?

       I got a reply, possibly from you, in netmail. It was about discounting these potentially helpful people.

       I do discount them. I don't do it with any sense of
unfairness. With their restriction of duties and their attitude of not learning anything new as their retirement is imminent, I feel somewhat justified in cursing them. 

       They do not even do the jobs of their choice well, let alone try to do anything extra.


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