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From: launce@apollo.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate)
Subject: Re: Deer Valley and Park City
Followup-To: rec.skiing.withdrawal.support.group
Keywords: thin-skinned, take it easy, mellow out 
Organization: Trifurcate-Hooved Ruminant Surveyors, Inc.
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Date: 27 Aug 92 12:37:11
X-Endorsement: Ski Vail!!

In article <2A9BB0E7.1007@deneva.sdd.trw.com> shla@spf.trw.com (Sheila Wallace) writes:
   >[rest of stupid flame (IMHO) deleted]

My my touchy aren't we?  Jeez, some people just take things *far* too
seriously if you don't add the smiley-faces.  So here:

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Better?  Okay.

   >[remainder of rant deleted]  <---- joke, joke okay?  sheesh.
   >
   >Your flames are really out of line here.

Well exsqueeze me, Ms. Sheila.  Mebbe you oughta lighten up a tad, no?
No real flamage intended -- I save *that* for alt.flame.  Didja get up
on the wrong side of the bed today? Or just suffering from
snow-withdrawal like the rest of us??

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   >>damn californicators

Note: if you'd read my .sig you'd have noted the ironic reference to
myself as an expat-californian ----> QED -----> I am a "californicator".
Sheesh. Sometimes you gotta point out everything.  

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   >damn ootahns!  I suspect that you secretly covet skiing Alta and
   >are just trying to shorten the lift lines for yourself....

Curses!! She figured it out!!

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>   Sheila


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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Was Re: Beginner's silly questions (!))
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 22:01:36 GMT

In article <1SEP92.09481295@enh.nist.gov> hudgens@enh.nist.gov writes:
	Generally good advice however gruff removed
>Hey netters! Have you ever noticed that many beginners feel compelled to hit
>the blacks after 2 days? Have you ever noticed how they all ski "parallel"
>within hours of putting on ski boots the 1st time?  Don't you think that
>this bunch should have their dreams fulfilled by trying out Corbet's Couloir
>immediately?

Mostly male beginners (not all but a few).
Part of the evolutionary process and courting rituals.  Behold!  The turtle
only makes progress when its sticks out its neck.  The attempt of mankind
to improve themselves higher/ever higher.  They just haven't figured out
their limits yet much less try to push them.  I have heard similar claims
by females, but not nearly as many.  The main thing is to keep the
innocent intermediate and advnaced skier out of their path.

If we didn't clean the snow up following an accident, people would
take a slightly different approach, but this is not good for capitalism.

To Mike the ALIEN on this thread: How's skiing on Mars? 8^)

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From: dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com (Dave Buehmann)
Subject: Re: National Ski Association
Keywords: savings? scam?
Reply-To: dlb@dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix-Intergraph
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:50:41 GMT

In article <dogar.714687689@opal4>, dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar) writes:
|> 
|> The September issue of *Skiing* magazine has an ad for 
|> "The Nation's #1 Skier Card." They claim that with a
|> membership in the National Ski Association and a
|> National Skier Discount Card,  one can get up to
|> $15 off daily lift tickets and up to 50% off lodging
|> plus other discounts. Does anyone have one of these?
|> Is it of any use? or is it a waste?

Here in Colorado, they're a good deal if you go skiing more than a few
times a year.  They also offer discounts nation-wide though I don't
know how good those are.

Locally, GoldC discount coupon books usually give a slightly better
discount ($1-$2 more) and they cost around $8-$9.

I had both last year (not sure what I'll do this year, maybe just GoldC).

Both have discounts on lodging, ski tune-ups, etc.  Skiamericard's
discounts on lodging, tune-ups, etc are a little better.

If you only want ski discounts for Colorado, you're probably better off
with the GoldC.  All other scenarios you're probably better off 
with the SkiCard or both.

|> Thanks,
|> -hd

dave
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From: tom@uts.amdahl.com (Tom Goodwin)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Need Tahoe Suggestions
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:40:51 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

From article <1340306@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com>, by glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker):
> In rec.skiing, carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898) writes:
> 
>> Well first off, don't fall prey to the bigger is better syndrome.  I'm
>> sure Heavenly, Squaw and Alpine have great beginner programs but you
>> will pay big time prices
> 
>  Hold on ah say hold on thyar! This is not strictly true. I can't speak
>  for Alpine, (and I won't even talk about the H area), but Squaw has
>  a first-time skier program that can't be beat...it's free! Free rentals,
>  free lift ticket, free lesson. Now this program is limited to first

But last year, as I remember it, the exclusions were pretty broad: not
valid on weekends or any day within a mile of a holiday(Dec 20-Jan 3).  It's
about $50 otherwise.  Most areas have a "first-time" package that's fairly
cheap (about the price of a normal lift ticket), it's the following days
that are more expensive.  At that point, paying full-price lift tickets
when you able to use 5% of the area can seem a bit frustrating.

The big areas make a real effort to help beginners enjoy the experience;
I spent my first day on skiis at Squaw, followed by days at Northstar and 
Alpine.  The next ten skiing days were at small resorts with lower prices
and smaller crowds.  Now Squaw is at the top of my list again because at
this stage it is the best value; I enjoy the range and variety of the big
areas and my son can ski at Squaw for only $5.

Having taken my family from the novice to the strong intermediate stage
the past two years in the Sierra, I'd say each of the big three North 
Tahoe resorts has it's strengths, which are typically the same as their
weakness.

Squaw Vally:  Big, offers something for everyone, but the size can be
intimidating and make it difficult to keep a group together.

Northstar:  Laid out with a central focus, best for the beginning-intermediate
family, expensive, but not a lot of variety and nothing for the experts.  More
lift capacity than room on the runs, even though the runs are wide.

Alpine:  A lot of variety, fun for intermediates, but the varied mountain
gives a difficult-to-map network of runs and lifts which make it easy to 
get lost.  Kind of the opposite of Northstar, except it's still expensive.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz)
Subject: SNOWBOARDING
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:57:01 GMT

YES, it's almost here!!!!!!!
I can't wait to fly down those mountains!!!!!!! 
So all you snowboarders out there keep posting.
Theres not enough of us making traffic on this
rec.skiing. I'm hoping to maybe see if I can
start a rec.snowboard this 92/93 season. I
tried before but it was at the wrong time!!!!!!
Anybody out there with me on this idea?????????

(((noah)))
From: bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Recs for Xmas Vacation
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:06:59 GMT
Reply-To: bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan)
Organization: Chevron CEPS

We're thinking of skiing the week before Xmas. Places we're
considering are Whistler, Banff, Jackson Hole, or Steamboat.
We have 2 kids, 5 and 8, who are advanced skiers.  Which would
be a best bet for weather, snow, reasonable priced accomodations,
good terrain (lots of blues and not to scary black diamonds).
We're usually Sierra skiers -- skiing Squaw, Alpine and Sugar 
Bowl, so that gives you an idea of our tastes.

Beverly M. Zalan
bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com
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From: jbaker%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (John Baker)
Subject: Crested Butte - Free Skiing???
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:08:28 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: na

I have heard that Crested Butte, CO will offer free skiing
without restrictions from Nov. 20 to Dec. 18, 1992.  Has
anyone heard anything about this offer??

Thanks,
John Baker
jbaker@asylum.utah.edu
From: johnc@yuma.acns.colostate.edu (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Beginner's silly questions (!)
Summary: Boot fighting???
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:58:51 GMT
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <64802@cup.portal.com> TedKahn@cup.portal.com (Theodore E Kahn) 
writes:
>Get good boots, above all else!  In particular, you should try to
>find a place that specializes in boot-fiting.  
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^ 
Boot fighting:  This peculiar offshoot of the already peculiar sport of 
skiing began when two T**ans skiing in Purgatory, Colorado got into a religious
argument over "convenience entry" vs. overlap boots.  The already tense
situation erupted into violence when the two ran into each other while snow-
plowing down a green run (which each of them later described in statements to
the county sheriff as "expert").  Unable to regain their feet without
assistance, one started to remove his skis so that he could stand up.  The
other misinterpreted this move and immediately threw a pole at the first
gentleman, who responded by hitting the offender with the ski he had just
removed.  The whole thing deteriorated until the esteemed residents of the
Lone St*r State stood stocking-footed in the snow, flailing at each other
with the boots that started the argument.  

Today it is traditional for skiing T**ans everywhere to beat each other about
the head and shoulders with their favorite style of ski boot while wearing
hot pink or lime green powder suits.  The resulting brain damage, if any,
has not yet been detected or measured by any known medical procedure.  This
may be because the sport is so clumsy that blows are rarely actually landed,
or because anyone who pays money to ride up a hill in order to attempt to
stand up while sliding back down it does not respond normally to standard
intelligence testing methods.

Readers should be aware that places that specialize in boot fighting often
play _both_ kinds of music over the PA system (Both country _and_ western,
that is) and may feature saddles as seats in the eating area.

>In Oakland, Calif
>there is a place that I bought mine from, I paid retail plus $75,
>and NO ONE pays retail.  Nonetheless, my feet don't hurt.  And
>when I needed an ajustment, it was quick and free -- a year later.

On a more serious note, many shops today will guarantee fit and exert
considerable effort to ensure that your boots fit without charging more than
retail.  Basic formed footbeds are often included.  For additional charges,
you can receive an upgraded footbed or more exotic fitting services.  Of
course, the skill available at different shops varies.  And, for a fee that
is usually substantial, you can go to a podiatrist specializing in athletic
applications, and get a medical orthotic made for you.

Regarding the first part above:  People get desperate on this group in the
summer, don't they?

   John Cooley
   I have seen the snows of August, but it wuzn't enuf to ski on, despite
   pictures in the Rocky.
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From: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Sunday River
Reply-To: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:39:48 GMT

In article <17l8nqINNre3@early-bird.think.com>, bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz) writes:
>In article <BtoF85.MIy@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, khare@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Kathy Hare - DCS) writes:
>
>Being a tour guide for a local ski tour company, I have skied at nearly 
>every ski area in New England.  If you are looking for the best all around
>area, I would reccomend Sugarloaf USA in Maine.  A few of the areas in 
>Vermont are great too (not Killington).  But if you dont mind the drive
>(which it sounds like you dont) drive right past Sunday River and keep
>going up to Sugarloaf USA.  It may even be closer from where you are 
>coming.
>
>Bob Schwartz
>Thinking Machines Corp.
>Cambridge, MA

NOT KILLINGTON???
Granted there are other excellent ski areas in Vt., but How can you exclude
Killington? 
If you look at the pro's and con's I don't know how you can say that it is not
at least among the best...

Most terrain (not number of trails, but MILES)...WAY MORE THAN ANYWHERE IN THE 
EAST                            	----- 

LONGER SEASON... not only were they opened from early October to Mid June(14th)
	but they re-opened for the day on July 1st... the skiing was shitty,
	but on June first they had TOP TO BOTTOM SKIING with NO WALKING, not
	even in the lift lines! I brought up my good skis and skied hard and
	fast all day without hitting a single rock!

Most Chairlifts...... with more this year than last! (Most Quads also)
Most beginner trails, with the #1 rated ski school
Most Expert Trails, where you can ALWAYS FIND BUMPS!
Best selection of "off slope" activities...(I don't care, but You might)
Highest lift serviced mountian in New England
Along with may others

I can see how some people can get the wrong first impression
It is crowded... (but many areas are more crowded)
	AND if you know the mountian these crowds can easily be avoided.
	...Know when to ski, and where to ski and this is no longer a problem
There are lifts that have NO lines even during the busiest of days!

There are areas that beat Killington in a few categories, but overall
I've never seen anything that beats it.

Even if it's not your absolute favorite, If you are an educated skier, it
should be found somewhere  near the top of your list.

							Todd S.


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From: bjs@etn.ericsson.se (Bj|rn S{ter|y 1342)
Subject: Yo, Telemarkers !!
Keywords: SLC, Evolution, telemark skis, hot
Reply-To: bjs@etn.ericsson.se (Bj|rn S{ter|y 1342)
Organization: Ericsson Telecom A/S
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 09:54:38 GMT

isn't there any telemarkers out there in netland ....

i tried posting an article a while back inquiring
feedback on some telemark skis being hand made in salt lake city,
utah. the skis are sold in norway with a very expensive price tag.
(the skis are expensive too, snicker, snicker).

anyway, i figured there would be some telemark buff "over there"
who would have tried them, or at least heard of them to be able
to give me some feedback. of course, i can appreciate the fact
that the same telemark buffs would be out there tearing up the
white stuff most of the time, but hoped that they would stop by 
the office at least once a week to read rec.skiing.

but i`ll try again, here goes :

what type of snow are they good in (hard packed/ice, deep powder, etc)?
retail price in the usa?
quality (can they take being driven hard in the moguls?

any input is appreciated ..

regards,
bjorn

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Snowmobiles on 10th Mtn Trail
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 23:04:05 GMT

I am happy I had a chance to ski this before it was over run.
The FS will get a letter against this from me.

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From: pams@triton.unm.edu (Roost)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Beginner's silly questions (!)
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:46:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <78689@ut-emx.uucp> joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White) writes:
> 
>Seriously, though, I've been told there's a good beg./int. place in S.Colo. by
>the name of Bear Creek Pass or something like that.  Anyone got any info? 
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Are you sure its not Wolf Creek ski area in Wolf Creek Pass?  This place
is a good candidate for the most snow in Colorado!  I have never skied there
because Purgatory is so close and is a much bigger area (and reported to be 
much more challenging).  The snow depths that this place reports are
phenomenal however...  lots of nice powder days!   >|)
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From: bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers)
Subject: Re: RFD: Reorganization of rec.skiing
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:34:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.063917.2826@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:

>Klaus: 
>This is perhaps one of the best composed, funniest posts, I have seen
>all year.

Hear, hear!  More!  More!

[note: no smilie face]

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Killington vs Keystone
Reply-To: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:02:01 GMT

I Read the article about Killington and Keystone, and I ski at killington
YOU are right in saying that Keystone blows away Killington
NO eastern ski area has a prayer in an overall comparison with a Western
ski area! Killington IS the best in the EAST in my opinion, but Western
areas are a zillion times better.

Just one thing in defense of Killington... and this does not make them 
better than Keysone, but someone mentioned that Keystone opens earlier
than Killington by an average of 11 days....SOOO WHAT 11 days doesn't mean
squat!  Besides I've always preferred spring skiing to fall anyways.
I think most people would agree that Killington makes up for those 11 closed
days in the fall with their Spring skiing... If not you obviously weren't
in both Vt. and Co. in May, or June. With snow depths higher than some
lift towers throughout May, and incredible skiing in June I would say
Killington wins in that Dept.  June 1st saw Top to bottom skiing, with NO
walking, plenty of snow... even in the lift-lines (which were about 30
seconds long) and 
I me on my good skis that never touched anything but snow all day long. 
Killington aint better than Keystone, but that doesn't mean that it
doesn't have a few good qualities.

								Todd S.
From: mike_r@nic.cerf.net (Mike Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Was Re: Beginner's silly questions (!))
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:57:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.2648
Organization: CERFnet

In article <1992Sep1.220136.24417@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:



>In article <1SEP92.09481295@enh.nist.gov> hudgens@enh.nist.gov writes:
>>Hey netters! Have you ever noticed that many beginners feel compelled to hit
>>the blacks after 2 days? Have you ever noticed how they all ski "parallel"
>>within hours of putting on ski boots the 1st time?  

Was this a beginner flame ...  perhaps .... One would of cource assume
that you never went through a learning process. IMHO, you get the same 
thing with most sports - people like to imagine that they are better 
than they are. Also, I'd say the skiing has by far the shortest start
to gratification curve of any balance based sport I've tried. Certainly
way shorter that surfing ... It is also one which alows you outside
your ability very quickly, something not a lot of people are used to.a

By the way, you get a free surfing lesson if you are ever in California, 
with the sole provision that the lesson is held at 8ft plus Blacks.

In article <1992Sep1.220136.24417@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.g
ov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:

>To Mike the ALIEN on this thread: How's skiing on Mars? 8^)

Never been there I'm arfaid. My original home is in a small village 
90 miles outside of London, England, on the third planet out from the
star sol. The government of the USA insists that I carry a small card
enscribed with the legend "Resident Alien" while I'm in California.
Even when I'm skiing.

Damn Englandificators.

Mike "The Alien"
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Yo, Telemarkers !!
Keywords: SLC, Evolution, telemark skis, hot
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 17:02:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.095438.8364@etn.uucp> bjs@etn.ericsson.se
(Bj|rn S{ter|y 1342) writes:
>isn't there any telemarkers out there in netland ....

Yes, but we are a fairly quiet lot (except on the wire).

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