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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 13 Aug 1992 08:35:57 EDT
From: ALIAS MEWD <MAES1@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: what energy drink do you use?
 <1992Aug4.162448.9846@waikato.ac.nz> <1992Aug12.131226.8456@nntp.hut.fi>

I've read a few references to tea as a "sport drink."  I'm an
iced-tea addict myself, but was surprised to learn that tea is
not a good hydrating drink, but a diuretic.  A few years ago, I
suffered a serious case of heat exhaustion and spent the night in
a hospital.  They emphatically told me to NOT drink any tea
products for a while, and to drink lots of juice, Gatorade,
and good ol' water to rehydrate my system.  Just my $0.02.
                                   Cheryl
     "WORK TO EAT, EAT TO LIVE, LIVE TO BIKE, BIKE TO WORK"
From: budn@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Bud Noren)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: All that fat
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:53:58 GMT
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)

jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore) writes:

>There was a segment on 60 minutes aired recently called "the
>French paradox". A nutritional researcher was in France trying
>to figure out why the French people have far less heart disease
>than American even though they have a fattier diet and a more
>sedantary lifestyle. He wasn't finished with his research, but
>the evidence pointed to the consumption of wine with dinner
>as an antidote to the fatty food. The alcohol stimulates the
>blood platelettes that would normally tend to congeal.

Actually, the report didn't state that it was the effect of alcohol
but something, apparently unknown, in wine, and red wine in 
particular.  I believe the study said that just drinking any
form of alcohol won't do the trick.  Shortly after that report
a research group (yet another reference I can't cite) said
they thought they had isolated the compound in red wine responsible
for the effect and were starting to look for its presence in
other grape byproducts, like grape juice and grapes themselves.
I hope they find it only present in grape fermentations - in fact
I hope they find it especially present in first growth Bordeaux - I
could use a solid medical reason to lay in a supply of it. :-)

One thing that the report did not mention - France has an 
extraordinarily high rate of cirrhosis of the liver.

>The real interesting conclusion was that even if this data
>proved conclusive beyond dispute, it would never be published
>in main stream literature here. 

Well, I think it will indeed get published and even get publicity; 
I'd call a report on prime time TV pretty good publicity.  However,
the BATF, the governing body in such affairs, is extremely reluctant 
to permit anything positive about the consumption of wine on wine
labels themselves but they require a surgeon general's warning
as to the dangers of consumption on every label.  Pretty bogus.

-Bud
From: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stewart Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Descending hills
Date: 21 Aug 92 07:52:36 GMT
Reply-To: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh


In article <9208171858.AA10124@hplomg.hpl.hp.com>, BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:

>Charles writes:
>
>> I heard a story about a guy in a road race being handed a water bottle full
>> of lead (Pb) at the start of a long descent. Around 8kg (17.6 lbs) extra!
>
>It is an often told story but it isn't true.  A water bottle weighs about
>one pound, lead has a density of 11.5 and therefore would make an 11.5 pound

OK - some documentation.  I don't claim this to be true because I haven't
checked with the publisher.  FAX and phone numbers included for anyone who
wants to check it out further.

In the British magazine _Cycling Weekly_ 1992 guide to the Tour de France,
July 1992 is a section entitled "Did you Know", followed by a number of facts
about the Tour.  One is the following :

"In 1953, France's Jean Robic, who won the race in 1947,
was given a feeding bottle full of lead at the top of the
Tourmalet pass to make him descend faster."

Editorial FAX: +44-71-261-5758
Editorial Tel: +44-71-261-5588

>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

STF
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   read "He is a very promising software engineer."
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN)
Subject: A Basic bike.
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 19:37:56 GMT

Hello, I'm not sure if this appropriate for
the newsgroup, but I need advice.  I am
planning to buy a mountain bike to use in Denver
on bike trails and minor offroad.  I would
like to keep within $500, again for a bsic
bike.  (Basic bike, sorry.)
A few recommendations have been a Gaint
Iguana, a Schwinn high Plains, the Bianchi
Ibex and the Trek 800.  Do any of you own
any of these bikes or have any recommendations
that I could use?  Thanks.  Post or Email,
whichever is easiest.

Marc Wasserman
mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu
 
-- 
"So you're choosing to run from your own people in a rackety old TARDIS?"
		     D  O  C  T  O  R     W  H  O
				30 Years
"Why not?  After all, that's how it all started!"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bicycle Paths
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:36:42 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas

In article <1992Aug12.144724.26157@athena.mit.edu> aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson) writes:
[...]
>Europe.  Also, while this may not be directly related, my experience
>shows that generally speaking European countries do a much better job
>at public transportation and bicycle access than is done in the U.S.

It has also been my experience that drivers in Europe are much more competent
than in the US.  Last week I learned (while cycling in Finland) that it costs
on the order of $2000 to obtain a driver's license there. Apparently driver's
ed is much more extensive. 

I have long proposed that driver's ed programs be at least a semester long
and that costs be covered largely by the student. There is simply too much
to learn in becoming a competent driver.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute
Internet : kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu
UUCP     : $ {cs.utexas.edu, gatech!petro, sun!texsun}!swrinde!kent
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Another Clipless Pedal ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:16:03 GMT

pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel) writes:
>>[Comparison of clipless pedals.]
>Hey!  You forgot the trusty rusty Aerolite!
>The Aerolite is one of the earliest of the current generation of
>clipless pedals.  The `pedal' is basically the outside surface of a
I know of alot of people who had trouble with their aerolites breaking on
them....
-Terry
From: chuang@micro (Michael Chuang)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: tape of Olympic men's kilo wanted
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:51:51 GMT

If anyone in netland has a copy of the men's kilometer track cycling
event that they might be willing to lend, copy or give I'd very much
appreciate an e-mail note.  In particular, I'm looking for Erin Hartwell's
bronze medal ride.  Apparently his family members were misinformed as
to the time it would be shown (weren't we all ?  Bloody 2 am EST !)
and missed out on a tape -- which they very much would like to have
for obvious reasons.  If anyone can offer help, please drop me a line and
we can work out some sort of exchange or payment with Erin.

thanks !

Mike
chuang@micro.ll.mit.edu
chuang@nmr-a.mgh.harvard.edu
617-776-1305 

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jbrill@unlinfo.unl.edu (james brill)
Subject: Road/Mountain biking in Flagstaff?
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:40:26 GMT

I can't really explain it but I have the uncontrollable
urge to move to Flagstaff.  OK, maybe I'm looking at the
graduate school there.  Anyway, I don't own a car and ride
many miles commuting/recreational.  So how is the riding
there.  Good road climbs and single track?  Thanks! 
--
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* University of Nebraska *    of faction are preferable to the        *
* jbrill@unlinfo.unl.edu *    voluntary servitude of blind obedience. *
From: Glenn Stauffer <stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu>
Subject: Re: using presta tubes with a Schraeder wheel
X-Xxdate: Sat, 15 Aug 92 12:52:40 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing Center
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 11:53:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.231301.21110@beaver.cs.washington.edu> David
Keppel, 
pardo@cs.washington.edu writes:
>I want to install a grommet to use a presta tube on a Shrader rim.
>The rim is a double-wall type; does the grommet go on the side facing
>the tube or the side facing air?  Rim cross-section:
>

When I converted a schraeder rim, I bought an aluminum adapter that is
about 1/4 - 1/2 inch 
long.  It is flared on one end, which I placed on the inside to protect
the tube.  The adapter
comes out through the rim about 1/4" - doesn't interfere with my pump.

Glenn
From: ovr@vipunen.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: what energy drink do you use?
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:12:26 GMT
Reply-To: ovr@vipunen.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology


In article <=3tm5kb.tomk@netcom.com>, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
> For those of you that have ben having trouble with
> sports drinks, I seem to be having good luck with
> normal sugared soda water and products like
> Lipton's Iced Tea. You get calories and liquid and
> seem to avoid the stomach problems.

But why bother with such an expensive (well, around here) industrial
product? Ordinary tea with enough sugar works fine for me. Just boil
the water (especially useful if you are touring and have to use water
with unknown bacteria), stuff the sugar and two teabags (one just isn't
enough) to the bottle and pour the water in. After a while remove the
bags. (Just in case somebody doesn't know how to make tea.) You can
leave it as is (winter is approaching again, besides, it'll cool pretty
darn fast on your bike) or put it in a fridge to make it more ice tea-ish.
The bottle feels a bit soft with hot tea in it, but so far it hasn't failed.
I may consider experimenting with aluminum bottles or thermos flasks (for
winter).
 
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Ott-Vill R___________________        Nyrxfnagreva_xngh wn Xhavaxnna_xngh
ovr@vipunen.hut.fi                           ba erunovyvgbvgnin!
From: pcbk1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (bryan.s.katz)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: OPINIONS: Trek 2100/2300, C'dale 2.8, B'stone RB-1
Keywords: (Long)
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:03:07 GMT
Organization: AT&T

A while back I had requested info on the Trek 2100/2300 and the 
Cannondale 2.8.  Since then, I noticed many others are looking for bikes and 
are asking similar questions, so I figured that it might be useful to post 
the responses (etc) I received.   All responses are here along with a 
a couple of related news postings that were not directly in response 
to my request.

The general impression I got was that the Trek 2100/2300 is a great frame.  
Folks that have them really like them.  However, they're not quite
the right thing to use if you're going to start racing.  For (aaagggh) Cat V,
folks recommend bikes that are much cheaper so I won't feel as bad when I wreck. 
The Bridgestone RB-1 was recommended by several people.  Their reasoning is
included below.

As for the 'dale - no real comments below other than the traditional remarks
that nobody serious uses alum bikes in racing.  (Counter that with the pic
in Velo News of Charameda - nat'l Criterium champ - riding a 2.8 to win
a race in North Carolina).  Anyway, the same comment about buying an
expensive bike for (aaagggh) Cat V racing applies.  That is, it's probably not 
the right thing to do.

b.katz
(No disclaimer)

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========================================================================
In article <1992Aug6.025022.2708\@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> pcbk1\@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (bryan.s.katz) writes:
>  Looking for opinions of Trek 2100/2300 and Cannondale R900 2.8.
>  Bicycle Guide had good reviews of these last spring.  However, I
>  was hoping to hear from real people.
========================================================================
========================================================================
THEY LIKE THE BIKE
>From att-mt!rtsg.mot.com!brand Thu Aug  6 11:33:32 1992
>From: brand\@rtsg.mot.com (Robert W. Brand)
Subject: Re: MORE OPINIONS WANTED:  Tr00 & C'Dale 2.8
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group

I like my 91 Trekble, durable, strong.
If anyone tries to say different, they don't ride one.  I ride
about 100 mi/wk, am 6'1" 175lbs and pretty hard on it.  Can't
comment on the 'dale.

-- 
Bob Brand

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>From att-mt!rtsg.mot.com!brand Fri Aug  7 13:44:42 1992
>From: brand\@rtsg.mot.com (Robert W. Brand)
Suect: Re: Help needed on new road bike!
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group

>>>I'm curious though, what kind of frame modifications
>>>are you doing?  This sounds pretty unusual to me, engineer
>>>or not. 

>fender braze-ons added (just in case PBP beckons)

This would be useful, of course the guy who won the last PBP
was on a Trek 2300.

Bob Brand

========================================================================

>From att-mt!youcon.Central.Sun.COM!willo Fri Aug  7 09:14:12 1992
>From: willo\@youcon.Central.Sun.COM (Doug Willoughby  Area SE  - Midwest Area )
Subject: Re: Help needed on new road bike!
Keywords: Trek 2300, Klein, Kestrel
Organization: Sun Microsystems - Southfield, Michigan

In article <PT62oB1w163w\@gcarter>, gcarter!gcarter (George Carter) writes:
|> In the Santa Clara (Silicon) Valley, I have noticed that the Trek
|> 2300 (AL lugs, composite tubes), Kestrels, Kleins etc. tend to be 

I generally take exception to any generalization. Especially one that
lumps me in with marketing types. I'm an engineer of 15 years exerience,
and I ride a Trek 2300.

I used the knowledge gained from my engineering background when I selected
my 2300. Like any good engineer, I evaluated all the models available.
The price/performance of the 2300 is unbeatable. Its ride is stiff yet
absorbs high frequency vibration that is typical of the rough roads
I ride. The technology involved in addressing these two competeting
demands is impressive. As an engineer, appreciate great engineering.

Don't confuse the behavior of an engineer (or informed consumer)
with the needs of a hacker ;-}.

Doug
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>From att-mt!geppetto.encore.com!jsweeney Fri Aug  7 13:41:10 1992
>From: jsweeney\@geppetto.encore.com (Joe Sweeney)
Subject: Re: MORE OPINIONS WANTED: Trek 2100/2300 & C'Dale 2.8
Organcore Computer Corp.

I'm another Trek 2100 owner (92 for 1 1/2 month) and I find it a 
wonderful bike for the money.  I also do about 100mi/wk and fit
a similiar physical description (6', 177lbs).  It's a very light
bike (spec'ed at 21lbs, actually lighter according to bike shop),
and very quick (agility).  I would think it would make a fine
bike for serious riding or racing.

Joe


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>From att-mt!mips.uucp!macintyr Tue Mar  3 14:13:18 1992
>From: macintyr\@mips.uucp (Craig MacIntyre)
Subject: Re: TREK advice wanted
Organization: Texas A&M University, Dept of Mathematics

In article <1992Mar2.215438.25752\@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> jgy\@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.g.young) writes:
>
>Looking for opinions on a 1991 TREK 2300 (Ultegrar $849
>versus a 1992 TREK 2100 (105 SC) for $698.  This wouldmy
>first "real" road bike and round 100 miles
>			...  I heard a rumor of trouble with
>bonde frames comming un-glued, especially in salty
>sea-shore air, any facts on this?
>
>Thanks.
>John Young

I have worked on hundreds of TREK bikes in the last couple of years and
I have never seen a bonding failure.  I am sure that they may happen,
but it is rare.  TREK offers a lifetime warantee on their frames and they
are usually very good about replacing defective ones  (I have seen three
of their aluminum frames returned for bad BB shells.)  Buy the 2300.
The frames on the 2100 and 2300 are the same except for paint.  On the
2300 you get 7 speed Ultegra (good stuff) and Look Carbon pedal.  The
2100 has 7 speed 105 (also pretty good, though not as nice looking and 
heavier) and Loop PP56 (I think) pedals.  The pedals alone cost
about $60 more on the 2300 and the gruppo upgrade is worth the extra $90.
My only beef with the 2300 is the horrible paint scheme.

A note on bonding:  If the tolerances are close and the bonding environment
		   is clean, a bonded bike will be atleasas
		   a welded or brazed one.  If done properly, it will usually
		   be better.  (This is why bonding has replaced welding
		   in a lot of aerospace applications.)

TREK and Raliegh do very good bonding -- my experience is that Vitus is not
as good. 

I hope this helps,
Craig

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>From att-mt!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!tlt38517 Mon Mar  2 21:12:09 1992
Subject: Re: Help needed on new road bike!
Keywords: Trek 2300, Klein, Kestrel
Organization: SFBAC

In article <PT62oB1w163w\@gcarter> gcarter!gcarter (George 
Carter) writes:
>In the Santa Clara (Silicon) Valley, I have noticed that the Trek
>2300 (AL lugs, composite tubes), Kestrels, Kleins etc. tend to be 
> ridden by marketing-oriented individuals.  Engineers seem to 
>prefer chromoly steel or occasional>good reasons for this in terms of durability and especially ease of 
>modification and repair.  I have never been able to go more than 
>three years without modifying a frame in a manner that is 
impossible
>(outside the factory) for carbon fiber, Al or Al/carbon fiber 
hybrids is proven crapola.
>>I'm curious though, what kind of frame modifications
>>are you doing?  tty unusual to me, engineer
>>or not. 

I have a twelve year old Miyata 1000 that is a much better bike 
than the day I bought it due to the modifiability of chromoly steel 
frames.  Incrementally over the years the following changes/repairs
were made:

pump peg added
third water bottle bosses added
downtube shifter bosses added (in 1980 c common)
cable routing changed to under-the-BB delrin type (new stay cable stop)
low rider fre-ons added (not yet invented in 1980)
chain hanger added
seat cluster repair
fender braze-ons added (just in case PBP beckons)
derailleur hanger repaired
rear rack braze-ons added

None of this sort of upgrading and repair is practical for Al or 
carbon fiber.  I can not imagine why anyone with foresight would 
give up these advantages for Al or carbon fiber unless they were a 
sponsored rider and got the bike free.  A chromoly steel bike can be 
updated and repaired when necessary, these other technologies 
(except for Ti) can only be tossed out or ridden without a feature 
you desire.

In addition, the fork recently failed (fatigued) after tens of 
thousands of miles.  Even though I was on a fast downhill section 
at the time, with a steel fork I was able to stop without crashing.  
Replaced under warranty.

I have no doubt that Kestrels are popular with product liability 
lawyers.  Audis and Corvairs are probably popular with this group 
as well.
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>From att-mt!hercules.uregina.ca!gorrie Sat Aug  8 13:35:04 1992
>From: gorrie\@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie)
Subject: Re: MORE OPINIONS WANTED: Trek 2100/2300 & C'Dale 2.8
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan

I have a 3.0 C'dale, and was looking at the new 2.8 frames. When you tap
the down or top tubes, they sound MUCH thinner than the 3.0 frames. 
I don't think I'll get one of these frames because I would be too worried
about denting them.  I hope they continue making the 3.0 frames.

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>From att-mt!scws8.harvard.edu!kim39 Sat Aug  8 22:29:52 1992
From: tlt38517\@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: MORE OPINIONS WANTED: Trek 2100/2300 & C'Dale 2.8
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:06:04 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

>I ride a Trek 2300 (about 6 weeks old), about 175-200 km per week, and love
>it. 
>I've never had that happen before! Nothing creaks or groans, everything
>was assembled almost perfectly and: it corners well at speeds over 80 kmh, 
>seems good on bumpy roads, is good for pedalling through corners.

The perfect assembly was more likely due to your bike shop than Trek.  I've
seen lots of Treks come from the facotry very poorly adjusted.  I liked the
chrome on the 2300 better also.  I understand Trek had them painted to reduce
costs.  I had a Trek 2500 in Hawaii and the chrome was eaten away very quickly
so maybe its better that they're painted.
-Terry


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Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:44:56 -0400 
From: "Gabriel D. Underwood" <gu02+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Bike shops in Chicago

Midwest Cyclery in Wheaton (a western suburb)  has a fairly large
selection of Cannondales in stock,  all on sale.   It's a pretty decent
shop, but about fifty minutes on the expressways from downtown Chicago.



-------------------------------------------------------------
Gabriel Underwood 
Internet: gabe+@cmu.edu	
NeXTmail: underwoo@magnesium.club.cc.cmu.edu

"Not much rhymes with orange, but forest ranger is damn close"
From: ddozier@daled.net.com (Dale Dozier)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: DuraAce STI Questions
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:57:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies



 I'm interested in upgrading my component group to DuraAce with
STI shifting. Can you spread a 126mm frame to 130mm? Does it
weaken the frame or cause problems? I have talked to a couple of
people that have the new STI system and they really like it
accept for the one post on the net that seems to be having 
problems. Is anyone else have problems with this system? Am I
about to make a mistake? Experiences good and bad from my
fellow netters would greatly be appreciated.

Thanks
-Dale
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 20:42:17 +0200
From: ianf@random.se (Armchair Nomad In Action)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
X-Mailer: Fernmail 1.2b2
X-Hear: Sally's (Meg Ryan's) fake diner orgasm now available as plug-in
X-This: charger sound for the Apple PowerBook; reason enough to buy one
Organization: random design -- "Opinions, cheaply"
Subject: 1992 European HPV Speed Championships in Munich/ Sept 11-13th
Apparently-To: rnews@sunet.se


  Anyone here planning to attend the races, as an observer
  or participant?

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