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From: jsm@shade.Princeton.EDU (John Scott McCauley Jr.)
Subject: Re: Another 00n9 track plan
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:43:56 GMT

In article <8223@skye.ed.ac.uk> ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson) writes:
>This is the last of my set of three, but if I draw any more interesting
>plans I'll be back.  I've had mail from some people who cannot view this
>picture with xfig.  I can produce a postscript version on request, or at
>a pinch a uuencoded, compressed bit map.  To convert this to `real' Post
>Script, filter it through f2ps(1). 
>

These look great! I hope many more people post such drawings! I do like the
FIG format as it can be edited under Xwindows and SunView and printed out
on a variety of printers. The protocol and source code is public domain so
porting to non-unix systems is possible.

I found a few problems in the transmission of a FIG file over news, however.

1) News here gobbles up control characters. So edit lines that display text
   to add a control-A (^A) at the end of the text. For example, the line

4 0 0 12 0 -1 0 0.000 1 9 20 645 89 Pier(newline)

   should become

4 0 0 12 0 -1 0 0.000 1 9 20 645 89 Pier(control-A)(newline)

2) News has problems with long lines. The following sequence near the bottom
   was sent as two lines and had to be joined into one line to make a
   sensible drawing:
Line 1
	0.000 0.000 424.483 147.902 420.733 149.902 410.875 153.863 393.423 158.
360 377.630 161.850 357.578 165.309 337.558 166.922 310.391 166.000 289.660 166.
000 267.340 166.000 231.118 166.000 166.882 166.000 132.710 166.000 115.290 166.
000 103.444 166.000 9
Line 2
2.556 166.000 83.672 166.000 73.333 165.840 62.826 166.228 48.174 167.772 37.553
168.164 31.053 168.164 0.000 0.000

(I think 92.556 is the right coordinate.)

The poor people who have news systems that wrap at 80 characters might
have a lot of fun making sense of the result.

So, how about sending fig files uuencoded? Longer files could be compressed
first, but fig files are usually efficient already.

	Scott
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: egdorf@zaphod.lanl.gov (Skip Egdorf)
Subject: Re: Resistance soldering
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:52:51 GMT

In article <1iuj51INNo1j@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> thompson@woolly.East.Sun.COM (Keith B. Thompson - SMCC) writes:

   anybody with a recommendation for a resistance
   soldering unit. the only ad i've found in MR is
   for HOTIP from PBL, has anyone used this?

   i seem to remember an article in MR on the
   subject a while ago but cannot locate it.

   any info would be of help.

I posted the following last March (1992) in response to a similar
question...

-----

Oh my... Do I really want to do this?

Go to your local friendly electronics supply house and buy a
transformer with 110v primary, 6.2v (? or there about) secondary and a
4 to 6 amp output on the secondary.

Go to your local Radio Shack and get an insulated box big enough to
hold the transformer.

Wire a 110v plug to the primary of the transformer. (Do I need to
remind you to use a grounding plug and take care not to electrocute
yourself???)

Run the secondary to two wires, one with something like an alligator
clip, and the other to a clamp making a good connection to a carbon
rod.

Where do you get a carbon rod? one might ask. Go somewhere where you
can wash some chemicals away, and cut up an old flashlight battery or
two. I have had good luck with both C cells and AA cells.  The center
contains a carbon rod. Make a point on the rod with some sandpaper, or
a pencil sharpener, or something, and clamp the second wire from the
transformer's secondary to it. Radio Shack will have conenctors that
will do the job.

Now, when you plug in the transformer to the wall, and you connect the
alligator clip to something metal connected to what you want to
solder, and touch the sharp tip of the carbon rod to where you want to
solder, the metal right around the tip of the carbon rod gets REALLY
hot. Sounds kind of like one of those $250 dollar units to me.  If you
really make it fancy, you might spend $25 or $30 building the thing.

How to make it fancy??

First, I like to put a control on the 110v side of the transformer.  A
normal light dimmer works well, although I have also had good luck
with a sewing-machine foot control. These do not really have the
current rating, but are ok for light duty work. I like having both
hands to set up the work (the rod holds stuff in place) and then Zap
with the foot.

Second, I use large stereo-type plugs to connect to the secondary side
with the clips and rods. This lets me have several different rod-size
and clip configurations that are easy to switch.

Third, Fancy handles for the carbon rods...

Fourth, whatever else comes to mind. For the price, and ease of
construction, you can afford to experiment.

I've built several of these over the last 20 years. I still use a
torch on locomotives most of the time, but for trackwork, the
resistance unit is hard to beat.

Good Luck, and let us know what you get.

					Skip Egdorf
					hwe@lanl.gov
From: larsons@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU (Larson Shawn Michael)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Wood Weathering Techniques
Date: 28 Jan 1993 02:04:47 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: xanth.cs.orst.edu

I am building a MOW car from a basswood kit, and started by staining all
the wood with an India ink/alcohol mixture (about 20-30 drops per ounce).
The model looks wonderfully aged for such a simple technique.

I was wondering what you other people have used to age wood on their models.
What stains/materials do you use, and what mixtures do you find best?

I've read of a "sweet and sour" stain mixture in Railroad Model Craftsman
some time ago.  The article mentioned vinegar and steel wool as ingredients,
but nothing else.

I've also thought about using different colors of inks in my basswood stain.
For instance, red ink might be used to give a barn a very weathered "red
paint" look, or green ink could be used to stain paper roof shingles an 
appropriate color.  Has anybody tried using other colored inks?

--------
Shawn Larson - larsons@storm.cs.orst.edu
Xref: sparky rec.models.railroad:3099 rec.models.scale:958 rec.crafts.metalworking:469
From: hpoppe@ncar.ucar.edu (Herb Poppe)
Subject: Re: WinLok 1.0 digital model railroad control program for windows
Organization: National Center for Atmospheric Research
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:59:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.113447.422@sgcl1.unisg.ch> tannerha@sgcl1.unisg.ch 
writes:

> I just placed a copy of my new digital model railroad control program on
> the ftp-site  wuarchive.wustl.edu in the /pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS/windows 
directory.

Be forewarned that the documentation for this program is "auf Deutsch" [in 
German]. Since I don't have access to a Windows system I don't know if the 
program's menus, etc. are also written in German.

It appears that this program is intended to control a Marklin or Arnold 
command control system.

Herb Poppe                 National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR)
hpoppe@ncar.ucar.edu       1850 Table Mesa Dr.
(303) 497-1296             Boulder, CO  80303
From: CJOHNSON@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: WANTED: SHOW SCHEDULES
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:51:36 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Could some one let me know of any trains shows in New England this time of year
From: keith@hv-3 (Keith M. Cory)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Any comments on Marklin digital or OnBoard?
Keywords: Marklin digital OnBoard
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:31:56 GMT
Reply-To: keith@hv-3
Organization: Xerox

All -

I am in the process of building a new HO layout, and am trying to decide which control system I want to install.  I have narrowed it down to either Marklin Digital, or OnBoard.

Any comments on the two systems?   Is there any reason why I should wait a bit longer (is there anything even better coming on the horizon).

Any comments are appreciated.

--Keith-- 
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: brom@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (David Bromage)
Subject: Re: Paint spray booth.
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:08:05 GMT

Murray Dixson (dixson@ncs.dnd.ca) wrote:
:     Anyone out there got any good tips on building a paint spray
: booth from scratch?  Also, any tips on ways of dealing with disposing
: of thinner after cleaning an airbrush?  I live in an apartment and my
: 'usual' ways of handling these things isn't very convenient now.  Any
: suggestions would be great!   I've been told that Model Railroader
: had a 'Paint Shop' article on the spray booth a few years back.  Did
: anyone see it?  Thanks a lot!

Mine is constructed from plywood and sealed with duct tape. You will need
an extractor fan with an induction motor. DO NOT use a motor with brushes,
they can ignite thinner fumes. The exhaust should be piped outside. 

You should only generate a small amount of waste thinner. Soak it up in
old rags, wrap tightly in newspaper and throw it in the bin (outside) or
incinerate.

Cheers
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From: 195ochs@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Need Suggestions for Glueing Styrene to Wood
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:39:36 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <SDupa.61.0@xview.csuohio.edu>, SDupa@xview.csuohio.edu (Scott Hewis) writes:
> Noticed I forgot in my first posting to include the very important word
> *NEED* in my header. Sorry about that.
> 
> I'm installing a bridge on my layout and am having some difficulty glueing
> the styrene bridge piers (back and bottom) to the wood base. Any and all
> suggestions would be most welcome.
> 
> Many thanks in advance.
> 
> Scott Hewis
> --------------------------------------
> * Scott Hewis; Telecom Specialist    *
> * Cleveland State University         *
> * email c/o scott@asgard.csuohio.edu *
> --------------------------------------

Walther's Goo seems to be a good all around adhesive. Just be sure you
don't use too much, cause Goo will warp plastic
(I found this out after using too much on one of the Walther's Autoracks
and some of the side panels warped. Of course, now they put a little slip
of paper in the kits warning you about that, but I got one from the first
batch that didn't...)

Fred
From: rod@tassajara.Eng.Sun.COM (Rod Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Keeping it clean
Date: 26 Jan 1993 00:37:49 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: tassajara
Keywords: dust

>Can anyone recommend a method of controlling dust on a layout?
>A solution could be as easy as throwing a sheet over it, but I
>was wondering if anyone uses anti-static spray (or similiar).

A couple of years ago Jack Burgess wrote in RMC how he licked the
dust problem on his layout (located in a CA garage.) As I recall,
he did some weathersealing of the garage door (not 100%), carpeted
the floor (concrete _creates_ dust as it is walked upon), and 
lastly, he installed electrostatic air purifiers that run constantly. 

Rod Miller
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, 814-865-1818 <jlw@psulias.psu.edu>)
Subject: Looking for Generic CADD 5.0, 6.0 and GENERIC 3D users' track,benchwork plans
Reply-To: jlw@psulias.psu.edu
Organization: PMDF_X_ORGANIZATION
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 22:21:57 GMT

Admittedly this is my first attempt to post to any newsgroup, let alone this
one -- the post may go awry but here goes.

I currently use Generic CADD 5.0 for 2-dimentional drafting of various items.
I am also awaiting arival of my copy of Generic 3D 2.0, a 3-dimentional
drafting package.  Both are MS-DOS based packages, originally developed and
marketed by Generic Software of Bothell, WA.  About 2 years ago Autodesk (the
AUTOCAD people) bought Generic, but pretty well has left them alone, I guess
mostly to allow them to establish a hold in the low-end PC/Drafting market 
using an already-sucessful product.  That's the history, now on to the query:

I was hoping that there might be other subscribers to this newsgroup who use
Generic CADD or 3D, who might have developed track plans and/or benchwork
plans, HO or otherwise, who might be willing to share them for somebody get-
ting started (restarted?) in the design of a new pike.  I'm looking for the
more complex aspects, like helixes and so on, since I'm rather limited in
available space but prefer the John Allen style grandeur to operations.
Frankly, the only reason I care if the trains move is to justify the plat-
form and the efforts I'll apply to it to those who can't understand why I'd
want to spend weeks on one silly little building or scenery feature.  I hope
with things like helixes and other hidden benchwork features I can cram a lot
of track and scenery into a pretty small area.

Anyhow, if anyone out there has drawings done with Generic, 2D or 3D, and
don't mind offering them to me, please contact by Email (off the newsgroup,
no sense in bothering everyone else on this) to <JLW@PSULIAS.PSU.EDU> and
we'll see about setting something up for a transfer.  Thanks in advance.
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Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: brom@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (David Bromage)
Subject: Re: Info on Airbrush-Compressor
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:58:58 GMT

Ray Hobin (Ray.Hobin@p777.f1.n3641.z1.fidonet.org) wrote:
: Greetings Wesley!

: Quoting _Wesley Moore_

: WM> Also, I do not have any information regarding air compressors.  My
: WM> constraints on an air compressor is that it be fairly compact and
: WM> portable and that it not be very noisy (It will only be used for models).
: WM> I am looking for a good (quality) compressor at a reasonable price.
: WM> Any suggestions?

: ..as far as aircompressors, getting one with an airtank attached is 
: preferable otherwise you'll be running it continually. I recommend whatever 
: one you get has a bleed-off relief valve.
									
: Regardless of what you buy get an oil/moisture filter/trap and a regulator.
: Air pressure will vary from airbrush to airbrush; medium used; viscosity; 
: and, temperature and humidty factors present when spraying.

: <Ray>

My personal preference is to pump the air tank up to about 50psi then
bleed it off at 8-25psi as required. It helps to have the water trap as
close to the airbrush as possible. A hose about 6 feet long from the tank
to the water trap, air filter and regulator, then the thin hose to the
airbrush. It is advisable to have two pressure gauges, one showing the
pressure in the tank and the other showing the pressure through the 
regulator.

You might like to see Airbrushing For Model Railroaders (I think it's
Kalambach Video).

David Bromage
Xref: sparky rec.models.railroad:3067 rec.models.scale:937
From: cantrell@clipper.ingr.com (Loren Cantrell)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad,rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: model engineering newsgroup
Summary: Live Steam
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:38:44 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA


I model in G scale but currently do not have any live steam locomotives.  Some  day I hope to be able to afford a live steam locomotive.

Also, I'm part of a group that is restoring a steam locomotive.

I guess this is just a long way of saying that I would be interested in what    anyone has to say about live steam locomotives as I am still learning.

Loren Cantrell

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Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: andre@king.slc.mentorg.com (Andre' Hut)
Subject: Re: model engineering newsgroup
Followup-To: rec.models.railroad
Organization: /slc/home/andre/.organization
	<ANDRE.93Jan20143717@king.slc.mentorg.com>
	<1993Jan21.174148.22720@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:11:04

In article <1993Jan21.174148.22720@cbfsb.cb.att.com> kkuehl@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (Kevin Kuehl) writes:
   >In article <ANDRE.93Jan20143717@king.slc.mentorg.com> andre@king.slc.mentorg.com (Andre' Hut) writes:
   >>   >I wouldn't call what we are doing, engineering, although we do use a
   >>   >small lathe (Sherline) and mill (also Sherline). Most of it is
   >>   >village blacksmith level stuff (cut/file/turn/mill/measure until
   >>   >it fits. The main locomotive details are very accurate, but the
   >>   >motion and smoke box interior "just look right" and were/are bodged
   >>   >to fit, although they work and will probably last for ever.
   >>
   >>   >Rec.models.railroad doesn't really fit because it seems to be mainly
   >>   >ready-to-run HO, and rec.models.scale seems to be mainly plastic kits.
   >>
   >>Not at all!  Rec.models.railroad concerns itself with *all* aspects of modeling
   >>a railroad.  There are lots of discussions that take place here besides the
   >>ready-to-run stuff.  Again, the charter:

   >I find this quite entertaining.  Andre is using the same arguments against a
   >new newsgroup that were used against his pet project rec.models.railroad.
   >Just create the newsgroup and be done with it.  Lord knows one more newsgroup
   >is not going to make the heirarchy any less sensible (tongue in cheek).

I'm sorry I didn't make it clear enough!  I am not against a model engineering newsgroup.
What I am saying is that this group (rec.models.railroad) does not limit itself to plastic
HO-scale ready-to-run kits.  For example, I just saved a copy of an article that
explains how to build a resistance soldering unit.  It's a good article, and it could have just
as well been in the proposed new group.  I am a proponent of cross-posting.

rec.models.railroad was not my "pet project" (as if only I wanted this group!).
I simply did what the majority of those that participated in that discussion
asked me to do.
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From: ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: Another 00n9 track plan
Summary: Post Script and Bitmaps are also to be had
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:04:18 GMT
Followup-To: rec.models.railroad
Organization: William's Wonderful Wonky Widget Warehouse



I've had mail from several people who can't read the xfig files.  I have
utilities here which can convert xfig files to postscript versions and
bitmaps.  I can also compress and uuencode either.  I don't think I
should take up more bandwidth with further versions on the off-chance
that one or two people will want them, but if you want a particular
version of the plans mail me and I will help if I can. 

Ken Johnson




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From: trond@hpuosla.norway.hp.com (Trond Haugen)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:39:20 GMT
Subject: Re: New Railroad GIF's  Week 7
Organization: HP Oslo Norway
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad

Dan,
I'm eager to see some RR gifs but my open subnet host does not know
your machine.  Could you please mail or post your IP address.

If you or someone else also have the IP addresses to some other 
machiens hosting some nice pictures please post or mail.
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Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: eshoben@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Ed Shoben)
Subject: Re: edit-track
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:02:02 GMT

eshoben@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Ed Shoben) writes:

>	I got ET2.ZIP from somewhere and went to unzip it and discovered that 
>my copy is bad. Can anyone direct me to a site where I could get it using   
>anonymous ftp?

	Thanks to the person who directed me to wuarchive.wustl.edu.  I   
ftped et2.zip from there and got the same message.  Moreover, PKzipfix won't solve the problem.  Is there a site where there is a good copy?
From: S_KOEHLER@iravcl.ira.uka.de (|S| Tobias Koehler)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: wuarchive IP number? (Re: EditTrack)
Date: 26 Jan 1993 12:19:19 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe (FRG) - Informatik Rechnerabt.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: irav1.ira.uka.de
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23


Can anybody tell me the IP number of wuarchive.wustl.edu?
My FTP program needs the numeric address.

Thank you!

-=- tobi -=-
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
From: Joe.Russ <Joe.Russ@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re: NMRA
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:08:51 GMT


>1. Where is the convention this year? Will it be in Valley Forge in
>   August?
 
Yes it is. August 1-8 at the Valley Forge Convention Center. For
informatino write: Valley Forge Express, P.O. Box 457, Swedesboro, NJ
08085 or call (609)467-1739.
 
Unfortunately, I can't help you with the other two questions.
-- 
Joe.Russ@mixcom.com
WISE Div., NMRA
From: jkelty@unl.edu (john kelty)
Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad
Subject: Train Tracker
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:05:43 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu


Just wondering if anyone else out there is using train tracker program
from Kalmbach (Greenberg).  I find that it's OK but sure wish there 
was a more windows like version.  Lots of menu chasing in this 
program.  Also why the hidden files and unload features for the 
program?

-jkelty
unl physics



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