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From: misd1cp@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: PRODIGY's new (?) single
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:24:13 GMT
Reply-To: misd1cp
Distribution: world
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <Bxo8Br.25F@brunel.ac.uk>, cs90rwr@brunel.ac.uk (Richard W Rackham) writes:
> Richard Vowles (richard@nacjack.gen.nz) wrote:
> : 
> : PRODIGY I understand have recently released a single. It's flipside
> : (Rough in the Jungle Business?) was played on local campus radio (BFM,
> : Louder Than A Bomb) by representatives of the only dance only music
> : shop in Auckland (BASSLINE Records).
> : 
> : My question is this, what is the other side called? Its only on promo
> : here and will be commercially available in about two - three weeks....
> 
> The other side is called "Out of Space" - both tracks are remixes from their
> recent album "The Prodigy Experience".  It's just come out this week in the UK.
> 
> -- 
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> | Richard W Rackham (aka Fac 51 The Hacienda) EMail ID : cs90rwr@brunel.ac.uk |
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TRIPPER STATES-Whoever wrote this has been misinformed...the prodigy experience
has been out for ages...almost two months!Vinal copies are very hard to find..
but the cd format is widely available from crap stores like hmv/our price etc
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Eno
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:09:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

In <1992Nov18.182443.13899@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (non-carbonated) writes:
>Just wondering:  How does Brian Eno's latest album compare to the
>likes of Tangerine Dream/CHill Out/Orb/etc.

Depends on which "latest album" you mean.

Nerve Net is mellow but dancy.  Has beats through most of it.  Not
really much comparison with the Orb, since it's coming from a completely
different direction.

Shutov Assembly is traditional eno abience.  No beats (at least as
far as I've gotten in it, I haven't actually listened to the last couple
of tracks).  Very synthetic.  If you like Eno's Ambient series you'll like
this.  Otherwise, comparisons to the KLF and the Orb are really not
appropriate.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
         So the odds against him were higher than a vanload of hippies
                   on a blotterful of Owlsley's Old Original.
                           There was still a chance.
From: c_joey_n1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Looking for hard-edged TECHNO!
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:36:29 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

DIn article <Bx9A55.BpL@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, cs125b55@ih-nxt08.cso.uiuc.edu (cs125 student) writes:
> Does anybody have Kickin' Records' _Mental Detergent_ or any other
> techno album by that Kickin'/Instinct label.The only CD I got from
> that label is Moby's _Moby_.  Tell me what _Mental Detergent_ or the
> other CDs are like.  I am looking for techno albums/compilations that
> have very aggressive sounds (one or two ambient is okay with me).
> I like stuff like "This is Muthaf-----" by Digital Boy, "Sword of
> Blue Flame" by Voodoo Transmission, "Sonar System" by Meng Syndicate,
> and "Cosmotrash" by Trashman.  Walter Dao did a review on _Techno Mancer_
> saying that it has hard-edged, high BPM techno, which is the stuff I like.
> But, I found a copy of _Techno Mancer_ by Caroline Records and it has 
> stuff like "A Million Colors" by Channel X and other stuff from that
> Jade 4 U/O. Adams posse.  I personally don't like that stuff, because
> most of the stuff in _Rave 'Till Dawn_ was popular and weak.

Well I got Kickin' Mental Detergent.  Pretty good compilation.  Got stuff like
Messiah, and others.  Rave Til Dawn however, I might disagree a bit, even tho
the songs are a bit played out, they're still good.


Well only my opinion, does it make a difference?

Later,
Joey


			 

Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: tfinn@crash.cts.com (Aaron Grier)
Subject: Re: Rave is dead.
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:41:30 PST

In article <1eh46bINN3ti@uwm.edu> aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Steven J.) writes:
>Have you ever heard any acid-jazz?  This is the best example of music that
>is a combination of a number of musical styles ... jazz, house, hip-hop,
>pseudo-rock, progressive rock/jazz fusion, and now it's even getting salza
>influences.  Salsa, IMHO, is the best flavor to add to this already globally
>sounding musical style.

Mmmm mmmm mmmm! Haven't heard much acid jazz, but what I do hear, I like!

I wonder if the Rippingtons could do some acid jazz! hehe...

agrier@gompers.gompers.edu (real internet addy)
tfinn@crash.cts.com (UUCP address)
From: kmfdm@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael Alan Johnston)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: HARDCORE-INDUSTRIAL tEChNO
Date: 16 Nov 1992 18:57:56 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: kmfdm@csd4.csd.uwm.edu


If you are into INDUSTRIAL/HARDCORE TECHNO scene, then join this club!


This is the U.S. Department for the Danish Industrial bands "Leaether
Strip" & "Klute".  For info, contact, stickers and membership in the
U.S. Fan Base Techno Club please send: 1 or more stamps, or 1 or more
IRC's if you are outside the U.S. (more postage=more stuff mailed)

G.A.W.M.U.S. Leaether Strip/Klute U.S. Fan Base
c/o Ric Laciak
P.O. Box 353 Suite MLH 220
Milwaukee, WI  53201  USA
laciakr@kirk.msoe.edu

Info on Psychopomps and Zoth Ommog Records is here as well.
Questions/Comments/Contacts welcome.  >>May your ears bleed!<<

-Ric (Leader of G.A.W.M.U.S.)
e-mail:   
laciakr@kirk.msoe.edu
From: sho@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Sho Kuwamoto)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: REVIEWS: Euromasters/Fierce Ruling Diva/Interactive
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:08:59 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

Group				Song				Rating(-3/+3)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Euromasters			Alles Naar de Kl-te		-1
Fierce Ruling Diva		You Gotta Believe		+1 (+2)
Interactive			Elevator Up & Down		+1

*****

Euromasters
Alles Naar de Kl--te
Rating: -1

The good news: this is some really hard stuff
The bad  news: this is some really hard stuff

Imagine Poing (Tune Request) without the poings.  Now, imagine that
you're playing it through a stack of guitar amps.  Now, imagine that
the lead singer for Einstuerzende Neubauten is there, singing, and
he's pissed.

Now, I like good, hard techno as much as anyone.  However, I wasn't so
thrilled with this song.  The beats are too noisy, too fast, there's
too much screaming, too much everything.  I'd be more comfortable
slamming to this than dancing, I think.  The song's not bad per se,
but it's just not my cup of tea.  Buy at your own risk.


Fierce Ruling Diva
You Gotta Believe
Rating: +1 (jay: +2)

I find it innocuous but not unpleasant.  Jay likes it well enough.
I don't like the uninspired piano, but there is one mix (the Deep
Techno mix) which *doesn't* have the piano, and *does* have weird
crunchy synths in it.  Jay can't put his finger on why he likes 
it, but he finds himself tapping his feet when he hears it.  I must
admit that some of the mixes have some good beats in there.

Interactive
Elevator Up & Down
Rating: +1

We find this single a little monotonous.  Can't put our fingers on
why.  Dildo was repetitive, but it was good.  Elelvator should be, by
any objective measure, less monotonous.  More breaks, more synth
hooks.  However, we don't like it.  Too boring.  Weird, huh?

The flip side contains two tracks, Dildomania, and Future Dreams.
Dildomania is a live version of Dildo which, surprisingly enough, is
very cool.  It has a very different feel than the 12".  Lots of
interesting sounds, samples...

Future Dreams is ambient-ish and not too bad, although it reminds me
of a certain section of the Miami Vice theme song.

-Sho
--
sho@physics.purdue.edu


Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (non-carbonated)
Subject: Did anyone ever RFD/newgroup alt.rave.uk?  why not?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:22:32 GMT


Judging from my KILL file, it seems that alt.rave.uk would have a
decent amount of activity.

Has anyone across the ocean ever given any thought to proposing it
officially?  Make a post titled "RFD:  alt.rave.uk" and crosspost it
to alt.rave and alt.config.  In the post state why the group needs to
be created (ie: noticeably differences in music, etc. and all the
recent needless "wars" going on here).

Or if you're impatient, just newgroup the thing, you bloody wankers.
=)

I personally would like to see such a group, as I regularly read NME
and SELECT to see what I'll be buying in a couple months, so, the
group dpes have it's purpose and should be more than just a mailing
list, IMHO.   

Take some action.

--
 ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu   FutureCulture E-List: [future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu]
 andy (hawkeye)(dali)   new edge, technoculture, cyberpunk, virtual reality,
          (freshjive)   raves, etc. Home of the famous =) FutureCulture FAQ!
 
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: alexees@wam.umd.edu (alexandros g. hobson)
Subject: TWITCH email anyone?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:07:52 GMT

Can somebody send me Twitch's e-mail address?
Thanks in advance.

aLex.


Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: bjmidget@eos.ncsu.edu (BRYAN JASON MIDGETTE)
Subject: ftp site?
Originator: bjmidget@c00013-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: ftp
Reply-To: bjmidget@eos.ncsu.edu (BRYAN JASON MIDGETTE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:08:34 GMT


Was it here that I read about an ftp site for rave fliers? If so, could someone
please post it again?


       The drug war is part of our war against artifice. It is very complicated and
       needs to be thought out, because at the same time we are addicted to oil,
       which is another type of substance, linked to our equipmental drive.
                               -Avital Ronell
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From: jnixon@spam.ua.oz (John Nixon)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: 88' Acid Revival
Summary: Acid Amigo
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:10:32 GMT
Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide

In article <101831@bu.edu> jdisegi@bu.edu (Jonathan Disegi) writes:
>
>Does Anyone know of any good compilations of Acid from 1987-88?
>I miss the 303's. techno is still top, but sometimes I miss the old
>school. So, have any compilations been recently released?

Yes.  I have a CD called Acid Amigo which is around this era, and has
Stakker Humanoid on it, plus a few other names I can't recall at this
particular point in time.  This is not recent.

>Any news would be helpful and drink Newcastle's.

No problem, and how does Newcastle's <what> taste?

>Jonathan Disegi
>Boston University
>(jdisegi@bu.acs.edu)
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
PS      E-mail to here bounced.

--
John Nixon {Research Dude} jnixon@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au [08 228-5407]
Department of Applied Mathematics, The University of Adelaide, SA, AUSTRALIA
           "Quadrophonia" Sample of the Week: "Drop that Bass!"

Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: tinoco@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Antera Tinoco)
Subject: Re: Rave compilation
Keywords: Played-out new
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:02:55 GMT

In article <16@delta1.UUCP> mike@delta1.UUCP (mike king) writes:
>mikes@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Shou-Yung Shum) writes:
>>tinoco@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Antera Tinoco) writes:

>Hey, Michael, the fellow said he was new to the scene. Why dis' him? 
                   ^^^^^^      ^^                                ^^^

I've always wanted to be a fellow, but unfortunately I was given 2 X 
chromosomes by my parents.  No problem guys, this has occured my entire
life.  

                                                 Mr. Antera Tinoco
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: TV Commercial Techno
From: wright@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Michael G. Wright)
Date: 21 Nov 92 14:32:40 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

Here in Oz, the new Coke ad has "Everybody's free" by Rozalla. It's been
pretty hacked up though.

-- 
Michael Wright            _-_|\     Peg- "Al, can I have a thousand bucks?" 
LaTrobe University,      /     \     Al- "Why sure honey, have you got change
Melbourne, Australia.    \_.-_*/          for a million?"
wright@latcs1.lat.oz.au       v                Married with children. :-)
From: mcsbc3ktp@dct.ac.uk (Kirk Potter)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: Hardcore will be no-more
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:40:49 GMT
Organization: should be a Uni!! Stuff the tories!!!

In article <1992Nov20.100107.18344@gssec.bt.co.uk>, squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg) writes:
> Kirk , seen as how everyone is on this vein after my "Guru Josh" remark , 
> are you going to tell us just who Janet is ????????

I was saying it before your "Guru Josh" remark...!!!!
As for Janet.....lets just say she is a good friend.......

> 
> |> Happy partying....
> |> 
> |> KIRK
> |> (See sometimes I can produce sensible postings *8)
>   
> what is the significance of the *8 ??????

I missed out a ) so it would have been *8) see....a smiley with a smart hair-do!
But I missed out his nose : *8O)

> 
> 
> Keepin' the peace ...
> Stephen Quigg
> squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk 
> "FEELIN 'IRIE IN A SKANKIN' STYLE !"
> British Telecom , GSSEC , Glasgow
> 
> (Nothing in any of my mail represents my Employer in any way)

Ok this is utter crap....back to the real chat or I will get into trouble for
posting rubbish....

-- 
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From: bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Barry Sanders)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: RAVES in Champaign-Urbana, IL?
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:01:03 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marius   ) writes:

>Hello... this is RaveBoy Wayne (pun pun pun)

Pun? 

>Anyway...
>As for raves in Champaign;
>Get a cluE
>(note the capital E)

Very subtle.  'E' as in "please E-laborate."

>getting a cluE,

That's the idea.

>-- referring to raves in Champaign, again --

Unknown party is described by the respondent as:

>not bad for a party, good ideas, but don't play out the name
>"rave."  There's no comparison.

...presumably, to the "raves" in Chicago?

>Maybe Mashed Potatoes and Ravey... in some barn...

There are a *lot* of barns around C-U.  Care to E-laborate?
(note the capital "E", once again) 

>say, oh, 20,000 watt system, James Johnson, Derek Carter,
>Hector Lopez... now you're talking RAVE!

Is this a fantas-E, or a realit-E?

>Wayne Beals
>domnatr@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Would someone care to ENLIVEN the OTHERWIZE IGNORANT about WHERE and WHEN?

Thanx,

Barry
bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
From: aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Steven J.)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Re: New TV plot gimmick: Raves!
Date: 17 Nov 1992 22:32:07 GMT
Organization: Jobs With Peace at UWM
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30

asdbw@acad2.alaska.edu writes:
: Yes, along with techno soundtracks for commercials, raves have hit American TV.
: My girlfriend, junk TV junkie that she is, was watching "Silk Stalkings" last
: week-- it's one of those incredibly bad "Crime Time After Prime Time" shows--
: and the whole episode was about this villain who promoted warehouse raves and
: sold people nitrous balloons and also murdered and beat up other people.  I
: couldn't believe it! 

Another in the long line of 'raves talked about on junk tv shows' hits the
airwaves.  I was vegging out at home after a long evening of studying
Russian literature in comparison to its political history from The Thaw to
Perestroika.  Ok, so I went a little off the deep-end on my explanation.
ANYWAY...

It was a new show, I think Camp Something-er-other, Camp Wilder maybe?  The
main character just bumped into an old friend, they went out one evening, and
she came home one evening and in the morning told her kids that she had gone
to a rave the night before.  The kids said, "A rave?  You went to a
rave?!?!?"  Her response, "Well yea, I mean, it was a blast.  The music was
great and I danced for hours and hours."  

Any other incedence of raves in the mainstream?


______________________________________________________
Steve J. White
my virtual spheres of consciousness can be reached at:
aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu
aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: journeyman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Andy Settle Journeyman Ltd)
Subject: Re: Technics Tuntables
Reply-To: journeyman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:45:00 +0000


> I was looking forward to two E's on that night as well,

Less is more.
From: jdisegi@bu.edu (Jonathan Disegi)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: DJ Seduction
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:08:02 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

While I don't like all the fakeo techno that is coming out now, and perfer
vintage 88', I bought a compact single of Come On/Hardcore Heaven by DJ
Seduction from the UK, and I have really enjoyed the jams. I was wondering,
has DJ Seduction released any other singles/remixes/or Albums?  The single
is on ffrr, so I would assume more is/has been on the way.  Too bad the name
"DJ Seduction" is so damn cheezy...
Thank you for the info and keep the 303's churning...

Jonathan Disegi Boston University (jdisegi@bu.acs.edu)
From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Subject: Re: New TV plot gimmick: Raves!
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:45:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.023652.6725@wam.umd.edu> melzie@wam.umd.edu (Mel-zo-rama) writes:
>
>A strange thing happened to me, I was sitting somewhere and asked a friend
>	of mine if he felt like coming with me to a rave for the coming
>	weekend.  He was hazy on what it was and another guy in front of us
>	turned around and said "Oh...well they had them on 90210 a few weeks
>	ago when Brandin's date snuck XTC into his drink and then it was all
>	busted up by the police and it was really a wierd place"

just to correct this...
it was Euphoria, the guy handing out the ticket had a big
4 on the back of his shirt
and you had to have an egg to get in

i still havent seen the episode, but the ben is dead fanzine shirt
says : Ben Is Dead 91820 on the front
and on the back is has a big 4... fucking hysterical shirt

ALSO there is an excellent song by STROBE called Believe it, and it happens
to be the Euphoria single, which is a song that sampled the 90210 episode

Believe is an incredible song, even though it samples Depeche



--
If we were still going barefoot the world would be a
much softer place.
				   ,
IravethereforeIam Prod.           dana watanabe
From: sho@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Sho Kuwamoto)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: REVIEWS: Force Mass Motion (Rabbit City)/TZ 7
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:11:34 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

Group				Song				Rating(-3/+3)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Force Mass Motion		Chase EP (Rabbit City 005)	+3
Force Mass Motion		Induction EP (Rabbit City 006)	+3
?				TZ 7				+1.5

*****

Force Mass Motion
Chase EP (Rabbit City 005)
Rating: +3

Force Mass Motion
Induction EP (Rabbit City 006)
Rating: +3

These albums are absofuckingly good.  For people who liked earlier
Rabbit City, these two albums are even better than 003 and 004, if you
can believe that.  The songs are faster, but not too fast.  The
samples are great (esp. the goofy samples in Jack of Diamonds, on
006), the beats are energetic, the sound is harder, but in a... in
a...  in a Rabbit City sort of way.  The synths are good and crunchy,
the breaks are tasty.

Each album has four songs, although one of the songs on 006 is
a remix of a song on 005.  The last track on 005 is mellow, and
the last track on 006 is on the happy/light/goofy side.

006 is available on Watts, so it might be a little easier to get.  
Now, the $64,000 question is this: has anyone heard 001 or 002?

TZ 7
Rating: +1.5

I have a feeling this is rather old.  Jay has had TZ 9 for a while,
and it would seem to make sense that TZ 7 came out first...

Decent drums and synths with a hint of trancey.  Sounds a little like
certain 808 songs, but not as good.  Well executed, but there's
probably no danger of this album blowing you away.

-Sho
--
sho@physics.purdue.edu


Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz)
Subject: Re: Looking for hard-edged TECHNO!
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:48:35 GMT

In article <Bx9A55.BpL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cs125b55@ih-nxt08.cso.uiuc.edu (cs125 student) writes:
>Does anybody have Kickin' Records' _Mental Detergent_ or any other
>techno album by that Kickin'/Instinct label?  The only CD I got from
>that label is Moby's _Moby_.  Tell me what _Mental Detergent_ or the
>other CDs are like.  I am looking for techno albums/compilations that

           Well I have "KILLER*TECHNO" on Sonic Records distributed
	   By Instinct Records.  side 1 has:  zero zero--zeroxed
					      uhf--uhf
					      aircut--visual attack  
					      moby--go(rainforest mix)
					      niko--oh yeah   

                                 side 2 has:  church of extacy--  
						     church of extacy
					      liquid metal--mr dynomite
					      andromeda--gazza    
                                              ground level--god intended
					      tomandandy--indians
           Well thats about it there.................................
            =noah=

>have very aggressive sounds (one or two ambient is okay with me).
>I like stuff like "This is Muthaf-----" by Digital Boy, "Sword of
>Blue Flame" by Voodoo Transmission, "Sonar System" by Meng Syndicate,
>and "Cosmotrash" by Trashman.  Walter Dao did a review on _Techno Mancer_
>saying that it has hard-edged, high BPM techno, which is the stuff I like.
>But, I found a copy of _Techno Mancer_ by Caroline Records and it has 
>stuff like "A Million Colors" by Channel X and other stuff from that
>Jade 4 U/O. Adams posse.  I personally don't like that stuff, because
>most of the stuff in _Rave 'Till Dawn_ was popular and weak.  I'm not sure  
>if I saw the same CD.  Another CD I saw is the one with Moby, Barricuda,
>and Voodoo Child stuff.  Is that any good?  I know that Richard Hall
>uses those 3 names, but does he have a specific style under each name?
>In any case, any recommendations/reviews about aggressive techno stuff
>is appreciated.  Thanks for any help!
>
>					-Digital Overdose
>				wwc56110@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>			     cs125b55@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu