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From: grb@rbyte.proteus.qc.ca (G. Randolph Bickerton)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: NERI - National Environmental Research Institute, Inc.
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:19:44 GMT
Organization: Right Byte Industries, Ville St-Laurent Quebec Canada

Has any one heard of this MLM company based in Indianapolis, Indiana.  
Apparently, they have "environmentally" friendly cleaning agents for both 
household and commercial uses.  The company is only 4-5 months old; uses a 
breakaway pay plan.  All comments welcome either directly to the Net or by 
e-mail to the author.

G. Randolph Bickerton              GRB@rbyte.proteus.qc.ca
P.O. Box 751                       TEL (514)744-5524
Pte-Claire Dorval, PQ  H9S 2L5     FAX (514)748-8109
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Periodic Post of the Newsgroup Charter  (was Re: Net etiquette)
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 02:32:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.230731.14072@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:

>In article grb@rbyte.proteus.qc.ca (G. Randolph Bickerton) writes:

>>In article howard@Redwood.XAIT.Xerox.COM (Howard Bernstein) writes:

>>> Could someone tell me what the rules are regarding the introduction of new
>>> MLM information to this newsgroup.  This is an MLM in that I am involved in,
>>> that I have seen no information about on the net thus far, and that I am
>>> interested in finding other people who would also like to be involved.

>>Interesting question.  I think the "net" would be a great place to "recruit" 
>>however some users might consider it "commercial" use of the "net".  There 
>>is a fine line between the personal forsale announcements and MLM 
>>"commercial" use of the net.

>Well, if it's any help, let me post the original charter for this newsgroup
>which contains a no-solicitation policy.  Notice that this does not forbid the
>announcement of a new MLM, nor disallows giving information about an existing
>one, as long as there is no overt or implied solicitation. 


>CHARTER for alt.business.multi-level
>************************************
....
>*****************************************************************************
>This newsgroup should not be used for solicitation to join an MLM, and this
>policy will be rigorously enforced by those who regularly read it.
>*****************************************************************************

So what should be announced about a new MLM.   And how does that
announcement NOT become a solicitation.

I was in one MLM a year ago - the picture painted looked Rosy - but
after getting into I realized that it (the MLM) had been around long
enough that there was no way to make much money in it - and the
products seemed to me to be overpriced and while good quality, not top
quality.

Last month a good friend called me and I went to a meeting/smeinar/???
and saw something that looked good.   A well known company, with brand
name recognition, and good products.  Compenstation plan looks great.
They are just getting into MLM.  And everything seems so straight
forward and honest it almost seemed unreal - but they indicate they
won't take any chances with blowing their 90 years of brand name
recognition.

I went to a reqional meeting the next week and was bowled over.  

The previous MLM had a lot of hype that reminded me of a high-school
football game - while this one had excitement and all was really
believable.  I met a tenured University professor who was resigning and
going full-time after 6 months.   That level of committment was
impressive, particulary with the $4k/mo income at the end of only 6
months.

So how do we discuss this without hyping it.  Where does information
stop and hype start?

-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org  bill.vermillion@oau.org
                - bill@bilver.uucp 
                - ..!{peora|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill
From: cpc.systems@mhs.unc.edu (Carolyn Churchill)
Subject: re: Periodic Post of the Newsgroup Charter  (was Re: Net etiquette)
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:58:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.230731.14072@netcom.com>  writes:
>
>Well, if it's any help, let me post the original charter for this newsgroup
>which contains a no-solicitation policy.  Notice that this does not forbid the
>announcement of a new MLM, nor disallows giving information about an existing
>one, as long as there is no overt or implied solicitation.  It's hard to
>define (like pornography), but you know it when you see it.  If anybody would
>like to give information about their MLM to this newsgroup, but are not sure
>if it meets the charter, I'd be more than happy to look at it and give
>suggestions.  I am not a moderator, and I cannot forbid or cancel posts, so
>if you don't like my advice, you can post it anyway, but BEWARE THE SPANISH
>INQUISITION!  :^)
>
>
>
Jon,

Thanks for posting the charter.  I have a question that does not
seem to be addressed by the charter - What about using the addresses
of posters to solicit.  Since posting a few messages, I have been 
getting solicitation mail from several MLMs, of which I am not 
interested as I also am a very happy and proud to be Amway distributor.

Carolyn
From: grb@rbyte.proteus.qc.ca (G. Randolph Bickerton)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Re: Net etiquette
Date: 4 Nov 92 15:56:00 GMT
Organization: Right Byte Industries, Ville St-Laurent Quebec Canada

howard@Redwood.XAIT.Xerox.COM (Howard Bernstein) writes:

> Could someone tell me what the rules are regarding the introduction of new
> MLM information to this newsgroup.  This is an MLM in that I am involved in,
> that I have seen no information about on the net thus far, and that I am
> interested in finding other people who would also like to be involved.
> 
> I hope I haven't already broken them...
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -- 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Howard Bernstein        Xerox Advanced Information Technology    (617) 499-44
> howard@XAIT.Xerox.com  4 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142    FAX  499-44
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Interesting question.  I think the "net" would be a great place to "recruit" 
however some users might consider it "commercial" use of the "net".  There 
is a fine line between the personal forsale announcements and MLM 
"commercial" use of the net.  Personally, I'd like to know of new MLM's as 
early as possible and as an information source this newsgroup could be a 
great communication device - faster than newspaper ads etc.  In my opinion  
short announcement of new MLM's would not be harmful as long as the replies 
were sent as E-mail not posted.  Maybe we should have a vote on it?  I will 
personally volunteer to summarize the vote but before we start voting lets 
get some concensus on the question.  Look forward to learning of "ALL" the  
various points of view.  In the mean time What is this new MLM?

G. Randolph Bickerton              GRB@rbyte.proteus.qc.ca
P.O. Box 751                       TEL (514)744-5524
Pte-Claire Dorval, PQ  H9S 2L5     FAX (514)748-8109
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: vijr@microsoft.com (Vij Rajarajan)
Subject: Business Opportunity.
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:46:35 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

I am posting this for a friend:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                         BUSINESS OFFER
                         ==============

I, Mr. Ashok, am an exporter from India dealing in leather  coats 
/  garments,  leather  goods,  granite,  lingerie,  semi-precious 
stones, handicrafts, textile garments, groceries etc, etc.  I  am 
now  in  the USA on a business visit to find buyers /  agents  to 
export  my  items  from  India.  All  interested  Americans   and 
immigrants with / without prior exposure may kindly contact me at 
the earliest.  No financial commitments or obligations required.

US Mail : 15209 NE 16TH PLACE, #4 
          BELLEVUE, WA-98007

E-Mail  : VIJR@MICROSOFT.COM

SEATTLE (WA) : (206) 641-7194
DAYTON (OH)  : (513) 237-0922

PERMANENT ADDRESS : "PEARL CASTLE"
                     S-106, 4TH MAIN ROAD
                     ANNA NAGAR,
                     MADRAS - 600 040
                     INDIA.
                     PHONE : (91-44) 6214481 / 6214339.






















































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From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr)
Subject: Re: consumers' buyline, inc.
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:22:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.124433.6749@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu> steveb@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Steve Bromley) writes:
>In article <1992Nov3.205914.5957@athena.cs.uga.edu> hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes:
>>one problem I have with CBI is that it costs nearly $100 more per year
>>than American Benefits Plus and the services are so similar.
>>
>>Link Hudson.
>>
>However, if you become an affiliate as well as a member, you eventially pay nothing
>for the membership once you start receiving commissions.

The same is true of ABP.  Think about it this way.  Is it easier to sell
these nearly identical group of services for $129 or $280? 


One thing I think that
>really makes CBI stand out over any other buying program is they guarantee the
>lowest price whether you see if advertised or not.

ABP also has a double the money back guarantee on all new products (you can't
go get a '86 refrigerator at the store.  It has to be new models.  I think
CBI is probably the same.)

>With CBI all you need is written proof
>from a manager with a phone number to verify and they will give you the difference
>two fold.

You have to get written proof from a manager?

Another thing about ABP.  Television commercials also generate leads for
affiliates.
Link
From: wsbusr3@rw6.urc.tue.nl (Pieter Filius)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: FAQ wanted ...
Keywords: FAQ, gegeneral info, MLM types
Date: 8 Nov 92 18:37:07 GMT
Reply-To: wsbusr3@urc.tue.nl


  Hi people, 
  
  Well: My topic pretty much covers my question as well :)
  - Does this newsgroup have a FAQ?
  - And if so, would someone be so kind as to mail it to
    at073@cleveland.freenet.edu 
    or just (re-)post it on this group ?
 
  Thanks in advance !
  R. Blokland
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson)
Subject: Re: Amway product pricing and commissions (was: Is Amway a scam???)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:19:12 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

lou@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Lou Kvitek) writes:
> 
> You must be careful how you define better value.  If you have to leave
> your house and drive somewhere, browse the shelves, and then stand in line
> to buy something - then you must factor in these added costs: your time,
> depreciation of your vehicle, gas, stress dealing with traffic, parking,
> lines at the store.  Most people do not take this into consideration, but
> a growing number of the population is waking up to this (see USA Today
> 10/28/92 issue for the percentage of people now shopping mail order).
> 

I really don't "get" this argument wrt Amway. I don't make a special 
trip to the store to buy cleaning products; I pick 'em up when I'm buying
my groceries. So unless Amway starts offering fresh veggies and meat (with
delivery in time for dinner), the "added cost" pretty much amounts to the
time it takes to go down one extra aisle in the supermarket (or the Pace
warehouse store).
-- 
Laura Johnson
lpj@hpctdls.col.hp.com
Opinions expressed are my own, but may be licensed for a nominal fee.
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: steveb@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Steve Bromley)
Subject: Re: consumers' buyline, inc.
Organization: Johns Hopkins Univ. Welch Medical Library
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:44:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.205914.5957@athena.cs.uga.edu> hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes:
>one problem I have with CBI is that it costs nearly $100 more per year
>than American Benefits Plus and the services are so similar.
>
>Link Hudson.
>

However, if you become an affiliate as well as a member, you eventially pay nothing
for the membership once you start receiving commissions.  One thing I think that
really makes CBI stand out over any other buying program is they guarantee the
lowest price whether you see if advertised or not. Most if not all other companies
only guarantee the lowest advertised price.  With CBI all you need is written proof
from a manager with a phone number to verify and they will give you the difference
two fold.
-steveb
From: csg260@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Wendy)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: European Business Suite
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:24:36 GMT
Organization: Coventry University

We are a secondary School in Warwickshire England, and we have
been setting up a new European Business Suite.  We are in urgent
need of the following:
office chairs
white boards and/or flip boards
blinds for large windows
any redundant office type equipment.

If you can help with any of these (no money to buy), or if you
would like to offer your expertise or set up a contact with the
school then please reply or contact me (Wendy) at

The Trinity School
Guy's Cliffe Avenue
Leamington Spa
CV32 6NB
Tel:0926 428416



-- 

Wendy.

csg260.
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: cpc.systems@mhs.unc.edu (Carolyn Churchill)
Subject: Re: Periodic Post of the Newsgroup Charter  (was Re: Net etiquette)
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:23:36 GMT

In article <BxGMwt.6MG@fc.hp.com> rjn@FC.HP.COM writes:
>Carolyn Churchill (cpc.systems@mhs.unc.edu) wrote:
>
>> What about using the addresses of posters to solicit.  Since posting a few
>> messages, I have been getting solicitation mail from several MLMs,
>
>Was one of those a totally incomprehensible sheet from someone involved with
>something called "Laran Communications"?  I couldn't figure out what the
>"product" was supposed to be; it looked like a chain letter disguised as
>some sort of "marketing".  If someone is going to invest a stamp, they at
>least could send something the recipient has a chance of understanding.
>
>Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
>Bob Niland      Internet: rjn@FC.HP.COM               3404 East Harmony Road
>                CompuServe:  71044,2124               Ft Collins CO 80525-9599
>

No, I did not get that one and I hope I don't.

Carolyn Churchill
cpc.systems@mhs.unc.edu
UNC Chapel Hill
Chapel Hill, NC
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level

In alt.business.multi-level, jack@myamiga.mixcom.com (Jack Decker) writes:

> It would be nice if distributors could take such folks "under their wing" and
> let them accompany the distributor on several calls, increasing the amount of
> participation by the new distributor until he has the confidence to go out on
> his own.  But few distributors have that kind of time or committment to those
> under them.   

Any distributor that does NOT have that kind of committment will surely
fail in MLM.  You must teach the new people how to build a business.  Its
all based on duplication.  If you don't help them, then they won't help
anyone.  You then end up with a single level business that can only
generate income by you continually signing up new people.  That's way
to much work.

BTW, here's a favorite example I saw of how duplication can work for you:

Let's say you buy and chew $1 (one dollar) worth of chewing gum per month,
and you can find one other person per month who will also buy $1 worth
of chewing gum.  The next month, you both find one new person each who
will buy $1 worth of chewing gum...... and so on.

In 30 months, you have $1 BILLION (that's a B) worth of chewing gum
going through YOUR business!!!  You make money the whole time, and 
the business will go on forever!

Watch:

1  1+1 = 2               13  $8K        25  $32M
2  2+2 = 4               14  $16K       26  $64M
3  4+4 = 8               15  $32K       27  $128M
4  8+8 = 16              16  $64K       28  $256M
5        32              17  $128K      29  $500M
6        64              18  $256K      30  $1 BILLION  !!!!
7       $128             19  $500K
8       $256             20  $1M        Can you find 30 people who will
9       $500 (rounding)  21  $2M        buy $1/month worth of gum and 
10      $1000            22  $4M        will also find 1 person/month
11      $2000            23  $8M        who will do the same?
12      $4000            24  $16M       DUPLICATE !!  That's the power
					that MLMs offer!
Lou
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: ernie@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Ernie Corley)
Subject: NSA Air Filters 
Originator: ernie@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 13:56:26 GMT


The latest issue of "Consumer Reports" rates air filters.
The NSA HEPA filter was rated very poorly.  The water filters
had been panned in a previous issue.  

In addition to the poor performance, I found out that NSA
does NOT have an exclusive on HEPA air filter technology like 
many of their people have tried to lead me to believe.


-- 
        --Ernie.Corley@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
From: albrecht@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Chad Edward Albrecht)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: World Marketing Alliance
Date: 11 Nov 1992 03:38:46 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

I was wondering if anyone has heard of the "World Marketing Alliance" and
could post some thoughts on the compnay.  I've heard it's alot like amway.

Any comments?


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-T.H. Huxley
From: grb@rbyte.proteus.qc.ca (G. Randolph Bickerton)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Re: World Marketing Alliance
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:45:45 GMT
Organization: Right Byte Industries, Ville St-Laurent Quebec Canada

albrecht@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Chad Edward Albrecht) writes:

> I was wondering if anyone has heard of the "World Marketing Alliance" and
> could post some thoughts on the compnay.  I've heard it's alot like amway.
> 
> Any comments?
> 
> 
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> "The chess board is the world, the pieces are the phenomena of the
> universe, the rules of the game are what we call the laws of nature."
> 
> -T.H. Huxley  

Are you sure it's "World" not "American Marketing Alliance" which is a 
downline division of Quoram - Security products?

G. Randolph Bickerton              GRB@rbyte.proteus.qc.ca
P.O. Box 751                       TEL (514)744-5524
Pte-Claire Dorval, PQ  H9S 2L5     FAX (514)748-8109
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Telecommuters, Remote Workers
From: 9138827a@levels.unisa.edu.au
Date: 29 Oct 92 14:20:11 +0930
Organization: University of South Australia

This item has been cross-posted to misc.jobs.contract,  misc.jobs.misc
and misc.rural
======================================================================

I am undertaking postgraduate study at the School of Library and
Information Management, University of South Australia, Adelaide, on
the particular information needs of telecommuters - those who perform
job-related work at a site away from an organisation and communicate
electronically rather than commuting physically.
 
I would be very interested in, and would greatly appreciate a response
from those who are telecommuters, to the following questions. If you
are not a telecommuter but know of others who are it would be
appreciated if you could pass this on to them:
 
 
Q1      Does the organisation to which you telecommute provide any
        library and information services which are accessible to you
        online? (eg catalogs, reference assistance, databases, literature
        searches, document delivery services, organisation information
        such as daily bulletins and administrative gazettes.)
 
        If yes:
 
        (a) What services are provided?
        (b) How useful are these services to you?
 
Q2      (a)     What is the nature of the organisation to which you
                telecommute?
 
        (b)     If you sometimes commute physically to your organisation,
                how frequently do you do this?
 
Q3      What are the particular information needs that you have as a
        telecommuter?
 
Q4      What basic information services do you consider should be
        provided by an organisation for its telecommuters? (see Q5 for
        additional and desirable services)
 
Q5      What additional information services would you perceive as being
        highly desirable for an organisation to provide for its
        telecommuters?
 
Q6      Are there any further comments you wish to make regarding the
        information needs of telecommuters?
 
Q7      Would you like a summary of the results of this survey E-mailed
        to you?
 
Respondents can be assured that individuals and organisations will not
be identified in any report or summary of this survey.
 
Please E-mail your response to my Internet address:
 
9138827a@ntx.city.unisa.edu.au
 
Thank you for your cooperation
 
Bronwen Strong
From: lou@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Lou Kvitek)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Re: Re: Yup, Amways... misc.consumers
Date: 2 Nov 92 23:30:33 GMT
Organization: HP Response Center Lab

I'd be upset too.  Whoever these clowns are they are really conducting
their business in an extremely unprofessional manner.

Of course, one must remember that every Amway distributor is in
business for themselves.  That's right, they do NOT (repeat, DO NOT)
work FOR Amway.  They work for themsleves.  Amway merely has agreed
to provide them products and pay them bonuses.  Amway does not teach
a single solitary distributor how to conduct business.  They merely
publish guidelines on business conduct - but, as you have seen, they
do not (cannot) enforce them.

There a several different Amway distributor organizations, all of
them teach their members how to build an Amway business in slightly
different ways.  Therefore, for as many ways in which people's
characteristics differ (countless), there is an equal number of
ways in which they will conduct business.  Obviously these clowns
are learning very poor business practices.  Unfortunately, you were
the target of their practices - and you did find that they are indeed
poor business practices.  However, you have mislayed the blame.  It
is not Amway's fault that these people act so poorly - Amway has NO
control over them.  It is strictly their fault - and they would conduct
business the same way no matter which MLM they were associated with (ie,
NuSkin, Shaklee, ALWilliams, etc).

So, affix blame - yes.
On Amway - No.
On the individual - yes!

Lou
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