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From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Kombi "Justin" Snowboarding Gloves
Date: 23 Aug 92 13:10:34 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

Just bought 2 pairs (1 for me, 1 for my brother) of Kombi "Justin" snowboarding
gloves.  These gloves are probably the best ones out and retail for $110
(got mine for $99)  They have a reinforced thumb guard (it's metal and plastic
that bends the normal way of your thumb but if you are going to get
"goal keeper's thumb" the guard prevents the thumb from bending backwards)
It also has 2 plastic-type inserts that go into the wrist and into the back
of the hand.  These prevents all those "slap-ice" injuries and the wonderful
"carpal tunnel" injuries (my brother did that one twice and my friend once
last season...it really messes up your wrist for a month or so)
On the top of the hand are little pads on each joint of the finger except
for the index (to allow freedom for doing bindings or "grabs" off your rails)
The gloves have extended backs that come down to about a little more than
half of your arm above the elbow.  I only saw one person using these last
year (I think they came out mid-season) but these gloves can really take
all the punishment.  Anyone else out there have already and know what they
can do?  I'm interested in how much they can handle and if they'll rip up.
 - Kirk
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Where have the NZ Snow Reports Gone?????
From: mikem@otago.ac.nz
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:40:52 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

Here's a brief run-down of conditions on a few of the NZ fields (the only ones
I had ready information on).

North Island (pseudo skiing eg. queues, North Islanders etc)

Whakapapa     200cm  (about 6 feet)
Turoa         180cm

South Island (where the real skiing is!)

Mt. Hutt      150cm
Mt. Dobson    100cm
Ohau          160cm
Cardrona      100-200cm
Treble Cone   100-200cm
Coronet Peak  85-130cm
Remarkables   120-160cm

All areas are reporting fine sunny conditions at the moment with little to no
wind, after a couple of weeks of stormy weather.

I have skiied Coronet, Treble Cone and Cardrona in the last few weeks and can
say they have the best coniditions for almost a decade. The season should last
well into November as long as patronage stays up.
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From: rizzi@netcom.com (mike rizzi)
Subject: Re: yearly heliskiing note
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 06:05:57 GMT
Organization: There is no DANGER

crispin@watson.ibm.com (Crispin Cowan) writes:
> rizzi@netcom.com (mike rizzi) writes:
>>grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson) writes:
>>>You may want to check into getting the GST refunded.  The brochure I got
>>>when I was in Canada recently said non-residents can get a refund if they
>>>spend over $100 total, on most items.  (only exception I can remember was
>>>restaurant meals). 
>>	But they only apply GST to Lodging and Goods (NOT services),

>It is called the Goods and Services tax, and definately applies to
>services.


	Uh...duh...but I WAS talking about the GST refund to
	non-Canadian residents.  Like I said, the refund
	only applies to Lodging and Goods.

mike
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From: smith@calypso (Bruce Smith Mfg 4-6507 ~BHOSVWZ#090)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Whistler, British Columbia
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:18:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: mr.1992Aug12.161805.12504
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

How can over 5000 feet of vertical ever be bad????
From: gunn@sulfur.cchem.berkeley.edu (John Gunn)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: rollerblades
Date: 14 Aug 1992 15:20:27 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: sulfur.cchem.berkeley.edu

Someone recently asked about rollerblades so I thought I'd share my
experience.  I have the basic pair of Rollerblade Lightning skates ($120 at
the time) with the wheels set flat.  I can comfortably navigate roads up to
about 8% grade by making tight slalom turns.  Not only is it a lot of fun
in its own right, but it is a good exercise for skiing.  I think it helps
work on balance and quickness since the biggest difference in feel is how
little traction you have compared to slalom skis and of course the short
wheelbase.  Needless to say, the trip back up is as good a quadriceps workout
as you will find anywhere.  Be prepared to change the wheels a lot though.
The closer you come to skiing technique, the faster you grind them down.

ObFAQNote:  It was correctly implied that Heavenly Valley is the most grossly
over-rated resort around, but it was inexplicably not  reccommended to Biff
as *the* place to look k00l.  :-)

SonOfFAQNote:  Since my inquiry about racing in NY/NJ got no response
whatsoever, I was wondering if there is any sort of a racing FAQ with more
general information.

--John   (gunn@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu)

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From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: yearly heliskiing note
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:57:31 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Aug14.142103.977@cbfsb.cb.att.com> bep1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (bentz.e.puryear) writes:
>I am taking donations for this year's trip please send money to my address
>below. Any questions feel free to e-mail or call.

I would donate my soul; but we don't have a MIME mailer.

>Bentz Puryear (303)488-6120  (ncsc8!bep)     AT&T TSC

-- 
Hugh Grierson          Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand - Software Development Centre
hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz                Speaking for myself only.  See figure 1.
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: WHAT'S NEW FOR 92/93 at Colorado Ski Areas
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:07:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

In article <Aug12.153954.63072@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
johnc@yuma.acns.colostate.edu (John Cooley) writes:
>My original post suggested that there are, indeed, exceptions, i.e., there are
>expert skiers sitting behind desks.

I was informed that a fairly famous poster of a skier jumping Corbet's
Couloir at Jackson is Dr. Al Davis (UofU, [at the time] dataflow research).
That's enough to impress me.

>I guess I'm not well-paid, after all.  Bogner suits and Lacroix skis are a
>little bit out of my range.  

LaCroixs -- nice skis.  Tried them at Aspen.  Very light.
I bet Bogner suits are okay until you need to take a dump.
I will stick with my climbing suit for skiing.
Far more practical.

>Croissants - OK. but I really like steak and eggs with hashbrowns, although it
>slows me down for a couple of hours!
>
>Coffee and cigarettes?  Bleah!

Agreed.
However, I should go without the eggs and steak.

>I have been known to ski uphill, in any of many fine places not served by 
>lifts.

Me, too.  Let's hope we never run into each other 8^).

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Ski pics
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 17:30:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.220733.23046@EE.Stanford.EDU> tjb@isl.Stanford.EDU
(Tom Brosnan) writes:
>I'm looking for some nice digitized ski 
>pictures (gif, jpeg, whatever).
>summer.  Post to net

Do not post GIFs to rec.skiing.
This upsets news admins using phone systems and with limited disk space.
Don't take up their space or phone thrash with large files.  Specific groups
exist for pictures:

alt.binaries.pictures!
alt.binaries.pictures.misc!
alt.fractals.pictures!
alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.graphics!
alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.digitized!
alt.sex.pictures!
alt.sex.pictures.d!
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica!
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d!
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.female!
alt.binaries.pictures.fractals!
alt.binaries.pictures.d!
alt.tasteless.pictures!
alt.binaries.pictures.tasteless!
alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.blondes!
alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.d!
alt.binaries.pictures.utilities!

If you are Germany, you have your groups too!
de.alt.binaries.pictures!
de.alt.binaries.pictures.natur!
de.alt.binaries.pictures.misc!
de.alt.binaries.pictures.d!
de.alt.binaries.pictures.tech!
de.alt.binaries.pictures.comix!
de.alt.binaries.pictures.male!
de.alt.binaries.pictures.female!

>or e-mail me directly
>(bruce@margaux.stanford.edu, *not* tjb@...).  

Email is fine.  Ask that way.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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From: hkelly@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Buying First Skis
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:21:21 GMT
Organization: EDS Research


>I would like to get shiny new skis, but would consider used demo skis - 
>what are the advantages/disadvantages to these?
>

Look for last year's discontinued models.  I bought a pair of Rossi 3Gs at
Herman's in SLC the year they stopped making them and replaced them with
the 7S (I believe).  They were demos, but apparently had never been skied,
and of course, they were useless as demos once the model was discontnued.
$200 for skis and bindings!

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
From: ssh@vnet.ibm.com (Stephen S. Hultquist)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Steamboat
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:16:18 GMT
	<SSH.92Aug13073254@snow.boulder.ibm.com>
	<1992Aug13.162022.1607@advtech.uswest.com>
Distribution: all
Organization: ISSC Boulder

Nah.  Ski Squaw.
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
ski bum, believer in the impossible                                ISSC Boulder
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From: gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber)
Subject: Re: Bump Run Info. Request/Quest
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:27:32 GMT

In article <Aug17.165915.42982@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> johnc@yuma.acns.colostate.edu (John Cooley) writes:
>So, there you have it.  Don't ski Winter Park/Mary Jane.  Go away.  Ski Vail.
>And Winter Park doesn't have any bumps anyway.  It's groomed.  All of it.
>Every little bit.  You wouldn't like it.  There's no airport.  You have to
>drive over Berthoud Pass.  It's a death trap in winter.  Avalanches.  No guard
>rails.  Boulders.  Bowling for buses.  Carnage.  Mayhem.  I'm not making
>this up.
>
>          John Cooley

And if you must ski Mary Jane, be sure to park your car at Winter
Park.  You don't want to drive up the access road to Mary Jane.  All
the good bars and places to eat are at Winter Park anyway.  The
parking lots at Mary Jane are full of bears and small children who
like to let air out of people's tires.


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From: huntj@gtephx.UUCP (Jeffrey Hunt 4082)
Subject: WANTED: Child-size boots and skis
Keywords: 110 cm - size 18.5
Organization: gte
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:41:41 GMT

I'd like to buy used boots, skis, and bindings for my 5-year-old
daughter.  Boots should be roughly 18.5 cm (child's size 11 - 12),
and the skis about 110 cm. 

For best results, use the telephone; leave a message if necessary.
-- 
Jeffrey Hunt     (602) 581-4082                 |
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  Compuserve:  73760.767@compuserve             |
From: jsalmi@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (John Salmi)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Steamboat
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:20:22 GMT
Organization: The New Frontier

In article <SSH.92Aug13073254@snow.boulder.ibm.com> <ssh@vnet.ibm.com> writes:
>You're likely to *love* Steamboat...
>--
>Steve Hultquist                                      ...a rippin' kinda dude...
>"No, really, you don't want to ski Colorado..."                     Boulder, Co


no no no no.  Ski Vail.
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From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Page me for powder (Re: rec.skiing FAQ 08/7)
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:52:00 GMT

klaus@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Klaus B. Biggers) writes:

>In article <1992Aug19.171134.21872@javelin.sim.es.com> bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>>>>...4WD Suburban stocked with 3 pairs of skis, cooler and powder

>>My stuff stays cold at Alta without need for a cooler.


>I put my stuff in a cooler when I ski Alta so that it doesn't freeze
>before the end of the day. Wicked cold there ya know.. wicked cold.

I thought so 'til I talked with some folks from Minnesota!!!
-- 
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From: jym@cruz.denver.sgi.com ()
Subject: Re: Heliskiing - was Re: Banff
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:46:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.163903.14258@walter.cray.com>, sonic@artgate.cray.com (Curtis Swanson) writes:
|> 
|> Heliskiing is an experience.  You get on a helicopter, they fly you to the
|> top of some untouched slopes and you then ski (typically) knee deep powder
|> to a lower point where the helicopter picks you up again.
This is not necessarily true.  The first heli-ski trip i took was great.   Lots
of deep, dry snow.  Laswt year though was not so great.  On one run in
particular, we ended up in snow that was 3 inches of crust on top of 1 foot
of wet cement.  The guides couldn't even ski that stuff.

|> 
|> Well, I've heard some places in Colorado just drop you off and you ski back
|> to the ski area.  When I went in Canada I got 4 runs in and the company sells
|> camping-type packages of up to a week long.
I went on a week long package with Canadian Mountain Holidays.  Camping it's
not.  Nice accomodatinos, excellent food, and great people.
But, since moving to CO, i have lost interest in Heli-skiing, so i won't
be going again.  It was fun when i lived in CA, where i never got to ski in good
snow.  Now, i can just head up Hiwa 70, and in 1.5 hrs. i'm there.

jim t
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Prgamatism was CO
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 17:20:30 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Aug13.093128@is.morgan.com> sergei@is.morgan.com
(Sergei Poliakoff) writes:
>|> >Practicality is not an issue when the goal is to irk real skiers.

>|> The OTHER kind of dump. #2.
>|> Simulation: try ex-lax.
>|> THAT is practicality. 8^)

>Here is where ski-in/ski-out comes handy ... Handy ?
>Besides, unless this vaunted climbing  suit of yours provides exceptional
>means of concealment (or containment), on crowded Eastern hills it will 
>be of little utility in the above mentioned endeavor  :-)

My climbing suit has a drop flap.  The alternative: even if you go into a
stall at ski-in/ski-out is that you have to half undress the top half of
a one piece suit regardless of sex.  That's why the ex-lax example.
I am certain that more than one suit has been soiled.

>|> >Unfortunately, Vail is the only ski resort where one can procure a decent
>|> >croissant this side of Alps : I love Vail if only for that.
>
>|> Okay.
>
>Is that a quiet admission   of Vail's superiority on at least ONE count
>over ski regions favoured by real skiers ?

It's a loud acknowledgement of one nice thing at Vail (I posted a list
of several a while back).  Real skiers?  You mean X-Cers?  Oh, sure.
Yes please continue to ski there.  I'll even yield the slope for you.
I'll ski elsewhere.

>|> >Cheers, 
>|> 
>|> Kom-pi!
>|> Shalom!
>
>Zdorovenki booly !

A-riva derci.

>P.S. the  selection of topics and depth of treatize in 
>	this group  in-between seasons  is nothing short of impressive.
>	If we are to retain any collective sanity, it better start snowing 
>	soon (in my case, snow guns better start blowing ...)

Well there is traffic is summer (winter), which contrasts to years past.
I can always cool my jets.  Winter is winter and summer is summer, and I
go skiing and climbing in winter and climbing/hiking/biking/sailing in summer
(quite content) [ice climbing this weekend].  Great time to buy ski gear.

If you want depth, one needs The Scientific Study of Skiing by Hitachi.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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From: rkf@wildrose.infoserv.com (Ray Fink)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Whistler, British Columbia
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 23:05:41 MDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Wild Rose Refugee Camp

smith@calypso (Bruce Smith Mfg 4-6507 ~BHOSVWZ#090) writes:

> How can over 5000 feet of vertical ever be bad????

Lemme guess:  When the upper 2000 is windslab in a whiteout, and
the bottom 3000 is breakable crust over sludge in a driving rain?

-- Ray

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From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Page me for powder (Re: rec.skiing FAQ 08/7)
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:11:34 GMT

>>...4WD Suburban stocked with 3 pairs of skis, cooler and powder
                                                ^^^^^^
My stuff stays cold at Alta without need for a cooler.

-- 
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<> Salt Lake City, <>    "We must strive to be more than we are, Lal."    <>
<>          Ootah  <>           -- Cmdr. Data, learning schmaltz          <>
From: clive@mcdd1.uucp (Clive Backham)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Colour of sunglasses
Date: 12 Aug 92 10:35:53 GMT
Organization: McDonnell Douglas,Hemel Hempstead,UK

I have a question for all you experienced skiers out there:

What colour sunglasses do you recommend to maximise contrast
on those dull, overcast days that flatten out all the shadows
and make it difficult to see the details of the surface?

- Clive    (mcdd1.uucp!clive@uknet.uucp)
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From: rohilton@diana.cair.du.edu (RON HILTON )
Subject: Re: long hot summer - ski movie
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 00:12:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.201546.24116@sei.cmu.edu> naz@sei.cmu.edu (Neal Zundel) writes:
>Can anyone recommend some cool ski movies? 

I highly recommend The North Face's  "Extreme Skiing IV" by Eric Perlman.
It has the usual hot shots like the Eagan's, Kevin Andrews, the DesLurier's
and Kristen Ulmer.  Exellent photography without the cheezy story lines that
some of the producers make.  But about as good as the photography is the
music.

You might try W. Miller's eXtreme winter too.  Watch for the wild avalanche.

A
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: yearly heliskiing note was Banff
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:54:30 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Aug12.212205.10346@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.161314.11639@seas.smu.edu> dleon@seas.smu.edu
>(David Leon) writes:
>>I am still somewhat of a novice snow-skier.  What exactly is heli-skiing?
>
>You need to get better first.

Normally true.
Counter-example: the Tasman Glacier (Mt Cook National Park, NZ).  Not strictly
"heli" skiing... a ski plane drops you on the neve (but that's ok, planes can
crash too).  11 km or so of strictly intermediate skiing to the bottom (nice
scenery though).

This year there was a collision between a helicopter and a plane in Westland
National Park.  It seems that planes had to follow the rules of the road,
up one side of the glacier and down the other, but helicopters didn't.  A few
survived.  The rules have been changed since then.

Another recent collision was between two sightseeing planes near Milford.
The tourists on one of the planes figured the pilot knew what he was doing
and were busy videoing the other plane until the collision.  (There was
also a language problem - guess the nationality... (but don't hold it
against them)).

Don't let this put you off.  An old friend of mine runs a bungee jumping
operation, and has put through >200,000 person-jumps without a single
serious injury; and that sport^H^H^H^Hactivity  is perceived to be
dangerous.  It's all relative.

>Heliskiing is without question, one of the most hazardous sports on earth:
>the bird can crash, you can have avalanches since the skiing is in a less
>controlled area, you can hit trees (most frequent lethal until recently),
>you can fall into crevaces, off cliffs, etc.

#include <std/rhetoric>
/* probably less dangerous than crossing the road though (except Ca.) */

Hugh
-- 
Hugh Grierson          Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand - Software Development Centre
hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz                Speaking for myself only.  See figure 1.
From: jane@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jane Hesketh)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Getting to be a Ski Instructor
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:29:35 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

I am sending this for a friend, please email replies to me 
and I will pass them on.

       Hi,  my name is Kelly, I'm 15 and i would like to be 
       a ski-instructor (probably in Europe). Can someone 
       please help me and answer the following questions?

           Do i need any qualifications to instruct?

           How do i get started? How did YOU get started?

           Do you teach all the year, and if not, what do 
           you do for the rest of the year?

           How much could i expect to get paid?

           Can i teach all my life, or is it a job which 
           you do for only a few years?

           How old must i be to start teaching?

Thanks for your help

Jane Hesketh                          | hesketh@uk.ac.ed
Department of Artificial Intelligence | hesketh%ed.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
University of Edinburgh               |
80 South Bridge, Edinburgh, Scotland  |
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