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From: gvb@TEST1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:04:41 GMT

In article <w3_n7mh.payner@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.134827.3072@acd4.acd.com> gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown) writes:
>>Dear Circle Watchers: (Now, who do you suppose I sound like?)
>>
>>I have been noticing all the talk about Circles. One thing I never have
>>seen mentioned is the fact that the British government has offered a
>>reward of about $20,000 for solving the crop circles. 
>
>This is very interesting, but do you not mean 20,000 pounds?
>

No, the guy that was speaking said (this is a semi accurate quote):
"What amounts to 20,000 dollars". 

>>Genetic altering of the seed. Grains were shown normal outside the Circle
>>but inside the grains were shown to have mutiple embyos. Not an uncommon
>>occurance since some outside the circle occasionally show multiples. What
>>is unommmon is the fact of the much higher percentage of multiple embryo
>>grains. (Myself, I consider this VERY unusual.)
>
>I'm not sure I understand how this is a sign of altered genes.
> 

Well, I am somewhat. If we were more of a botanist we would. I guess it
just means that each seed was actually multiple seeds. Do you know how a
seed head of a wheat stalk is? Its a bunch of individual grains of wheat
with hulls, etc. attached to the end of the stalk. I think what they were
tyring to convey is the fact that, rather than having a single seed per
hull, the hulls actually contained multiple embryos (seeds). 

>>Signs of some sort of heating. Someone said "microwave heating". Although this
>>could be true, just about any enery source from ultrasonic (if there is enough
>>quantity) to LF RF and on up to light will cause a rise in relative temperature
>>of given object. Especially if its a)wet or b)porous. 
>>
>>Stalks are more than bent. More like weaved. In some, bases are weaved
>>in one direction while tops are weaved in another. 
>>
>>Anyone that says they did this with a 2X4 and ropes is lying. Else:
>>I WANT SOME OF THOSE 2X4s !!!!!!
>
>In some ways, this reminds me of the claims made of the shroud. 
> 

Of Turin? Yeah, I know. Its all pretty odd with few explanations. Some of the
circles are, dare I say, hoaxes. But some, which have the attributes of 
the afore mentioned "genuine" (I will get some flack about using that term, 
you can be sure) circles, could be someone (I DID NOT SAY ALIEN!) with some
expensive and technoligically advanced toys. 

>>Gregg.
>
>
>Rich
>
>payner@netcom.com
>
>

Gregg.


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From: believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco)
Subject: Newage garbage Re: Is 700 club safe?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:34:49 GMT

How do I kill the chain letter I posted? The chain letter is the work of
the followers of satan. I was tricked into spreading the lies.

I read of the Awareness, it is secular humanist newage garbage and I want
no part of it. Beware all thats super natural that is not of GOD is of satan!
The beings you channel to are demons. 

Repent of demon worship and follow the Lord Jesus Christ.

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From: LINSCOT@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Stephen M. Linscott)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: 23 Aug 1992 18:39:14 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <64422@cup.portal.com>
John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
 
 
      (Much garbage deleted)
 
>                    ... This is all mentioned in the bible in the book of
>     Revelation.
 
         Don't blame this drivel on the Bible.  Revelation doesn't say
anything resembling this garbage!
 
>     Hatton says this could all happen on July 25, l992 to the end of July
>     1992.  That's all for now. John F. Winston.
 
Come on, John - you are making your earlier posts sound reasonable! :-)
                                         - Steve -
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From: tomrice@netcom.com (Tom R. Rice)
Subject: Re: Too secret for the US President's eyes?
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 02:36:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: alt


>Now there are all sorts of sub conspircys woven into this general outline.
>For example one has MJ-12 finacing its research by selling drugs, JFK
>finding this out and threating to expose MJ12.  For which MJ-12 has
>JFK blown away.  This is probably what Tom Rice is talking about.

	Well, actually I was unfamiliar with the JFK part of it, 
	since I'm not really interested in JFK assassination stuff.

	But the Roswell incident and the way it was originally
        revealed, combined with subsequent research, reliably
	reported by credible writers, has generated a mass
	of very convincing evidence.  When we consider what we
	know of gummint coverups/conspiracies (see alt.conspiracy)
	today, I certainly have no reason to disbelieve. 

	trr
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From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Loose Lips
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:25:53 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch) writes:
	So my question is, is it really likely that all these
	down-and-dirty ground pounders are going to keep quiet year
	after year if they really saw something extraterrestrial?

... well, there are some who have come forward (to Leonard
Stringfield, who has published a number of them starting in
1978, to the Roswell invesigators, and a few others.)

   I don't think death needs to be the threat, you know.  People get
older, they have jobs and responsibilities, and the threat of
"trouble" (job loss, professional ruin, drug busts, IRS, etc.) would
be enough, I should think, to keep people quiet, especially if they
couldn't see a burning need to tell.  There isn't much money to be
made in the UFO biz, -- not for a witness, anyway.  When these people
retire, there's still a hold on them -- medicare, social security,
pensions, etc.

   This is the main reason I don't put much stock in the various wild
"human stew" kind of things that crop up here now and again.  If
people thought they were doing the right thing (keeping things quiet
while the government works on whatever-it-is, for the eventual good of
all), they're be much more likely to go along.  Also, people who get
clearances often do so because they are likely to keep secret things
secret.

Charles
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Odd Worldviews (was Re: UFO Chain Letter)
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:14:17 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <1992Sep1.192413.15979@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III) writes:
>I think for some people it's the opposite.  A world with aliens and evil
>secret conspiracies where one is a brave freedom fighter fighting against
>the Greys or the Men in Black or the Clones would be a much more exciting
>world than the one we live in, wouldn't it?

Why resort to this? Its not as though there are a lack of real battles
to fight. If your really itching for a fight and don't mind taking some
risks here are some suggestions:

1) Go join the protests against the new nazi movement in germany.

2) Join the anti drug war fight.

3) If your gay or bi come out of the closet (and the fight will come
   to you).

4) etc.

I bet the reason for fighting Aliens is that its "safe", you can
just fantasize about running away from aliens and the men in black
without ever having to risk your life.
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From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFO Chain Letter
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:32:16 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Aug28.184309.2669@terminator.cc.umich.edu> clw@home.merit.edu (Chris Weider) writes:
>
>What kind of world do these people live in, anyway?

If you stop and think about it, they probably live in a world that
is very dark and scary...  which is why they broadcast warnings to
the world.

Much different than the world we live in.  




Isn't it?

Rick
:-)

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From: tbs@login.dkuug.dk (Torben B. S|rensen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Time travel
Keywords: reply Norman Paterson
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:15:26 GMT


Norman wrote:
>I have no TV and didn't see it, but apparently David Deutsch, a theoretical
>physicist from Oxford, was going on about time travel.

Yes, the programme was quite interesting, but unfortunately I'm not
bright enough to understand all David Deutsch's reasoning. The outcome
of it was fun in itself, though: Apparently, because of the way the
Universe is put together, it actually _is_ possible to travel in time.
However, the travel can never go back before the moment in time when
the time machine was invented. So if anyone had invented one in 1960
we would be able to go back to that time, but not any further (kinda
spoils the fun, don't it?)
The good old "time paradoxes" (shooting yourself, marrying your
grandmother, that sort of thing) wouldn't be a problem, because of...
well, it had to do with parallel universes or some such thing.
As I said, interesting guy with some fascinating thoughts, but I would
probably need considerably more information before truly understanding
him.

Best regards
Torben B. Sorensen      ---     tbs@login.dkuug.dk
From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re:Re: Are we an experiment ?
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:10:14 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	u925599@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Chris Stapelberg) writes:
	Are you assuming that aliens brought the food? An interesting
	theory.

... eh?  I said nothing of the kind.  I wasn't thinking along those
lines at all. 

 	In fact, aliens seem to love deserts, dont they? (at least
	arid regions) It might even be plausible that meditative
	people may have have wandered off into the desert to be
	anything but alone!

... I don't think so.  Or rather, I don't think they thought so.

	 Unless youre an ecologist, there is not much to do in the
	desert except get a sunstroke.And where DID they they get
	their food from? 

... my guess is that there was a "support system" of sorts (family
members, or people who were paid (by family members, or perhaps even
the hermits themselves)) to bring food ("food drops", and the like, so
if the hermit didn't even want to see the food-bringer, he or she did
not have to).  Stories of ascetics tend to stress the isolation and
deprivation of normal human contact, not the day-to-day details.
People went off to think, not to starve to death.  Most ascetics
didn't actually travel all that far away from the rest of humanity;
just far enough to be away from everybody else.  (There were, of
course, some organized communities of like-thinking people, for
instance christian or buddist monks, that were entirely
self-sufficient.)

	Are the romote, uninhabitable stretches on
	our planet the classrooms of the past...


... uninhabitable is a relative thing.  Without air conditioning and
trucks and trains (or heating units and aircraft) to bring stuff, many
places that might be termed uninhabitable are.  Also, there are
"lifestyle choices" involved (bushmen of the Kalahari, bedouins, etc.)
in which places we might call uninhabitable have been lived in for
centuries.

Charles
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From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman)
Subject: Re: UFO Chain Letter FLAME !!
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:01:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com () writes:


>In article <92241.111251WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu>, WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu writes:


>|>Hey!  Bush is sending the Army into Florida on the ruse of cleaning up after
>|>the hurricane.  Couldn't this be the start of Helter Skelter?  Let's not be
>|>hasty--August still has a couple of days to run.  The UN may still make it
>|>in time for the serious bloodshed (if they don't get pinned down in Bosnia).
>|>
>|>Bill Ellis FOAFtale News "Manson Was Right"
>|>


>	Get a life Bill.  Have you met Gary Stollman.  You to would make a
                                                           ^^
                                   Timpson, learn how to spell!!
                                   At least consistently!!

>	great pair.  Perhaps you two could start a news letter called 

>	"Paranoids R Us"

>	Steve Food_for_the_Grays
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From: bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Tesla: Genius and Fruitcake All In One
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:28:02 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing Sciences


  For those amazed at the fact that history doesn't necessarily reflect the
accurate account of some of our inventions, and for those who think Marconi
was a genius and Tesla just a nut, I suggest you do some research on both
Nathan Stubblefield and Fr. Jozef Murgas.  
  Stubblefield sent radio signals between two sites over land (a feat Marconi
stated was no possible) years before Marconi's trans-atlantic dog&pony show.
   Fr. Murgas was not only operating radio transmitting and receiving stations
between Wilkes-Barre & Scranton Pennsylvania earlier than Morconi's experiments,
but Marconi even visited Fr. Murgas to see it.  And yet we are still taught in
school that Marconi "invented" radio.  
  What a fraud.

Isn't it just as likely that Tesla was the real genius and people like Edison
merely profitted from the labors of others??

The true stories are there, but you have to dig to find them.

bill

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From: u925599@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Chris Stapelberg)
Subject: Are we an experiment ?
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:07:17 GMT

Why have only certain "chosen" induviduals been contacted ?
Why are we being abducted and scrutinised like laboratory rats ?
Why are there certain alien induviduals living among us, without contributing
directly to world affairs on a physical/political/financial basis ?

Although these questions make a few (some would consider them outrageous)
assumptions, mounting (if still somewhat circumstantial) evidence seems to
be pointing us towards considering these questions.
Some induviduals, supposedly "in the know", have suggested that aliens are
very pacifistic in their nature, thus by their philosophy being unable,or
rather unwilling, to change our global Karma.
But,assuming their benevolence, they should be down here helping a first world
that has gotten itself helplessly tangled in meterialism,that is still trying 
to attain a truly perfect political system, and is basically on the decline.

But more importantly, why are they turning a blind eye to the starving 
millions who are still groping for mere daily survival, never mind spiritual
growth!

To illustrate my point, would any prosperous,"good" earthling deny a
disease-stricken, hungry beggar a loaf of bread on the basis that it is his 
Karma to starve ?
Please note that the example may be lacking in many respects and is arguably 
a stupid one,but it should do here.

Anyway, having dragged you through all this,and you having actually read it,
is it not possible that we are the galactic version of the Simpsons !?

We sure fit the bill : Very average, small planet with declining civilisation
contains puny, destructive race who think they are alone.
Hobbies : destroying their own planet, and/or  destroying each other
          love eradicating animal species

etc.

We must be the funniest thing this side of Alpha Centrauri !

In fact, I'll bet they have a regular UFO service to ship "humanoid" aliens
to earth and have a good laugh!

But why actually "contact" us on a large scale and spoil the fun !
And now that we are getting inquisitive, why let us spot them once in a while 
and keep us guessing.
Then they can sit for the next year or two watching reruns of our latest 
documentary, or even better, they can giggle at us trying to explain away
their corn circles !


Anyway, time is short, so let me finish off by saying this:
Although i may have gotten carried away towards the end, my point, I
hope, is still valid.
Why flatter ourselves. Our sole purpose as far as any aliens may be concerned
may be to entertain them with our dismal exsistance.

We may just be the funniest experiment ever created !

I would welcome any commentary providing you dont scold me too much!
But I am being serious !

my address is u925599@postoffice.utas.edu.au

regards,
Chris.
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From: plw@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (White)
Subject: Alleged Federal Edict
Organization: Raytheon Company
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:02:03 GMT

Rummaging through my VHS collection of UFO-related material, I came
across a tape wherein the Rhode Island head of the MUFON chapter made
a statement to the interviewer to the effect that:     

	". . .there is a federal law on the books that prohibits
	U.S. citizens from communicating with extraterrestrials."

Can any legal beagle on the USENET confirm or deny the existence of the
aforementioned statute?  It would not only confirm my suspicion that 
Congress really doesn't have enough to keep them busy, but would also 
make further grist for my sci-fi novel in progress.


=======================
Paul White
plw@ray.com
My opinions are not those of Raytheon
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From: Mark-Tarbell@suite.com
Subject: Did you know?
Reply-To: Mark-Tarbell@suite.com
Organization: Suite Software, Anaheim CA.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:09:56 GMT

This just in -

The Crayola company has just put out a new pack of "Skin Tone"
crayons. Colors include white, black, brown, yellow, peach,
red, ...  but NO GREY!

I guess this proves that the Crayola company isn't owned &
operated by aliens.
From: lpb@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM (Len Bucuvalas)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: V The Final Conflict
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:54:47 GMT

Does anyone out here know where I can find this series for purchase?
If you recall this started airing on television back in the early 80s and then
suddenly disappeared even tho their rating were high!!!

Any leads at all are appreciated....please Email all responses to
lpb@stratus.swdc.stratus.com as I can only get into this group
via Email....we dont receive it here at my company.

Thanx in Advance
Len
From: cl2s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christian David Lehr)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFO spotted in PA ???
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:38:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


According to a TV News Report, it was a blimp from the Glidden paint company.
They had a representative from the company confirm that they were flying
back to their base from some sort of golfing event.  The big commotion
was caused by a videotape that was given to the news, but other
eyewitnesses said that you could clearly read "Glidden" from the ground.


  Chris Lehr                           Yesterday I almost broke both        
  cl2s@andrew.cmu.edu                  of my arms trying to hold open
                                       a revolving door for some lady.
                                       - S. Wright                 
                        
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From: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: UFO Chain Letter FLAME !!
Reply-To: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:31:17 GMT




In article <8vhna=h.garys@netcom.com>, garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes:

|>>	Get a life Bill.  Have you met Gary Stollman.  You to would make a
|>                                                           ^^
|>                                   Timpson, learn how to spell!!
|>                                   At least consistently!!
|>
|>>	great pair.  Perhaps you two could start a news letter called 
|>
|>>	"Paranoids R Us"
|>
|>>	Steve Food_for_the_Grays

	Oh Gary!  Your admonition has hurt me deeply.  How will I ever recover?
	By the way didn't you know that Clones can't spell. (Consistantly that 
	is)

	Give my best to Joan the Clone? YUK. YUK.

	Steve Cloned_food_for_the_Greys

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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Maine Meteorite Sighting...
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:31:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to mvbth@cbnews.cb.att.com (bernard.t.hebert):
> The control tower at the Brunswick Naval Air Station reported sighting
> a low-flying meteorite...

Meteorites don't fly low, or in any other way.
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