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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Oranges in a Bowl of Fruits
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:27:51 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 201292221717@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu, aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.110909@trc.amoco.com>, zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael)
>wrote:
>
>> It sounds like you're a little sensitive to  the lack of respect afforded
>> your team.  Personally, I think that if A&M continues its success, you
>> will find those same traits alive and well in College Station, too.  It's 
>> not indigenous to FSU. 
>
>It may be some of that, but I think more so of the FSU mindset that even
>with one loss, that they deserve another shot at Miami and #1. This has
>been hashed to death, and is a moot point now, anyway.
>
>James


Man!  Aggies are tenacious if nothing else!  I am certainly a Nole; I qualify
based on attending FSU for 4 years and earning a degree in Electrical Engineering.
Now I have always said that I felt FSU deserved another shot at Miami _IF_
Alabama lost to Florida.  And that only because we were ahead of TAMU in the
AP (bowl deciding) poll.  But 'Bama beat Florida and so I am content to go
to the Orange Bowl and take on a worthy Nebraska team.  I would have preferred
the Cotton Bowl because TAMU was higher ranked, but I still think we will have a
tough game of it in the Orange Bowl.  YES, I think Nebraska has a definite shot
at beating FSU.  It's not like FSU slaughtered them in the Fiesta one of those
two times and FSU has been pasted by Nebraska at Lincoln not too many years ago.
FSU has shown a good defense against the run, but Nebraska has the running
game from hell compared to what FSU has faced so far this year!  The bottom
line is I think you will find as much humility in the AVERAGE Seminole fan as
in the fans of any other school which produces a consistent winner.  All of them
have their share of obnoxious fans.

D. Head
FSU '91
Go Noles
From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Fiesta Bowl Buffalo Brouhaha (was: Re: Big East Bowl Preview)
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:10:27 GMT
Organization: Buffalo Stampede

In article <92357.103852IADGLC@ASUACAD.BITNET> IADGLC@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
>I think we at ASU have a good right to worry about our investment. I wonder
>why Colorado feels they have a right to bring their buffalo here when they
>don't take it to other away games. Florida State has played in numerous Fiesta
>Bowls and has never brought its horse or made a stink about it.

Of course ASU has a right to worry about its investment.  As the host of
a major bowl game, it should also have the responsibility to listen to
the participating schools' desires before making a reasoned decision.

CU wants to take Ralphie to the Fiesta Bowl because it's a really big
game, and the alumni and fans (even those watching on TV) would get a
kick out of seeing her run.  (She is considered by many to the best
mascot in the nation, you know :-)  I don't know why FSU didn't (ask to)
bring Chief Osceola and his horse to the Fiesta before; I think they've
got a great mascot, too.

>If the Buffs need their buff, maybe they are less of a football team than they
>are cracked up to be.

I'll trade you a couple of tickets to ASU's bowl game this year for two
Fiesta Bowl tickets.
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
From: steve.leu@odybbs.gvl.oh.us (Steve Leu) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: PEACH BOWL LATE?
Date: 2 Jan 93 19:22:00 GMT
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Organization: The Odyssey BBS - Garrettsville, OH - 216-527-2186
Reply-To: steve.leu@odybbs.gvl.oh.us (Steve Leu) 

Anybody know why the Peach Bowl is being played on Jan. 2nd this year?

Steve Leu  Internet: steve.leu@odybbs.gvl.oh.us
        
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From: zklf0b@gs144.hou.amoco.com (Fergason)
Subject: Re: Protest over FSU Mascot
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:58:04 GMT

In article <Bzz97s.3qI@trc.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace) writes:
>
>Is anyone else out there as sick of the "politically correct" world as
>I am?  This whole debate is SOOOO stupid!  Its kinda like the 55 mph 
>speed limit...  Does anyone really believe in it?  It seems like everyone,
>his dog, and his mother-in-law has their collective noses in everyone 
>else's business these days!  If you want racism to go away, you have 
>to teach your children that racism is not correct.  Its not the responsibility
>of the public schools, or the Universities, or the Washington Redskins 
>football organization to teach that.
>
> <lecture on Indians deleted>
>cmuck

While I agree with you completely, I think your analogy stinks.

Besides, two of my great grandmothers were Cherokee, and I dont have
any problems with beards.

Kelly

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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Fiesta Bowl Buffalo Brouhaha (was: Re:
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:46:53 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 6868@news2.cis.umn.edu, rownd@moby.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd) writes:
>	Luckily for Minnesota, Goldie Gopher has not been known
>	to leave presents on the field.  We do have to  watch that
>	hawk from Iowa, though...don't quite know if he's 
>	turf-trained yet.  The blisterdome people keep an eye on him...

Yeah, but would the Fiesta Bowl people want a gopher there?  Think of the
havoc he could play with the roots of their precious turf!  They might have
to dig up the whole stadium to catch him if he got loose!



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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: USC should drop the ND series
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 17:21:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.233949.10994@watson.ibm.com> TJFAN@WATSON.IBM.COM writes:
>In <1992Dec17.235452.2731@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:

>1) I think ND did the right thing. Keep Miami as annual rivarly (like FSU did)
>   is not a smart thing to me.
>2) Did ND still get the heat now? No! People will forget the heat but the record
>   will stay.

I take it you don't tend to read articles with "ND" or "Notre Dame" in the
title.  There's about 1 chance in 4 or 5 that any article with those words
in the title will contain some negative mention of the fact that Notre
Dame no longer plays Miami.  

>>What recruit would want to 
>>come to the team that everyone reviles as cowards?
>
>1) I believe players still go to ND even they dropped Miami, right?

Remember, ND had some plausible reasons for not renewing the Miami series
that did not relate to the series' record.  Anyone favorably inclined to
Notre Dame can choose to emphasize those reasons, rather than the series
record.  I can't think of any plausible reason for USC to end the ND series
other than being tired of losing.  I just read an article that said that
schools are tending more and more to use negative recruiting tactics,
badmouthing other schools.  I can think of no tool that competing recruiters
would more like to have (other than NCAA probation, perhaps) to bash USC
with than the idea you propose.  When the 18 year old tells the Trojan
recruiter "Mr. Smith from State told me you're a bunch of chickenshits for
dropping ND," what do you think your recruiter should respond?  "Well, at
least we're not losing to them"?  How far will that get you with the 18 year
old?

>2) I think 11 in a row has more factor on recruits than a coward. If USC drops
>   ND today, I don't think it will hurt their recruits.

I believe you're wrong.  If for no other reason, you've just dropped the
biggest national television game on your schedule.  Smart recruits care
about how often their team is on national TV, especially the blue chip ones,
as that gives them exposure that might help them get into the NFL.  The
only way to counter that is to replace ND with an equally powerful team.
You suggest that USC might do better against one of those equally powerful
teams, mentioning the Trojans' relative success against Penn State.  Yeah,
maybe.  If you schedule a really strong team, like Miami or Florida State,
I doubt it.  If you don't, welcome to regional coverage, unless, of course,
you can get your act together and win most of the rest of your games.  If
you were able to do that, then losing to Notre Dame wouldn't be such a big
deal, anyway.

As I said before, USC is much more harmed by their failure in the Pac10 than
by losing to ND.  Any plan for improvements at USC that doesn't concentrate
on how to contend for the Rose Bowl, year in, year out, is doomed to 
failure.  I think your's is one of those doomed plans.

-- 
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
From: traynor@fnalo.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: NOTRE DAME IS THE GREATEST
Date: 23 Dec 92 06:54:57 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalo.fnal.gov

In article <1992Dec22.220741.22026@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gideon Avrahami) writes:
> traynor@fnala.fnal.gov (Mike Traynor) writes:
>>As a "Fighting Frenchman" alumnae [...]
> 
> Alumnae?!  How many women are you, Mike?
> 
> 
> --Gidi
> 
> 
Oops...alumnUS.

					-Mike Traynor

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From: patrick@growler.owlnet.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Pac-10 quiz
Organization: Rice University, Houston, Texas
	<1grgdoINNa70@tamsun.tamu.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:11:49 GMT

In article <1grgdoINNa70@tamsun.tamu.edu> gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith) writes:

   In article <BzFME7.4y1@rice.edu> patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
  >The Rand McNally says you're right.  Oh, well, Waco *looks* like it's pretty
  >far out west -- or maybe it just feels like it, after that long drive up 6
  >from Houston...

  Well heck, why didn't you stop by and see me?  I live just off of Hwy 6.

Next time we have a reason to go to Waco, or Comanche, or whatever's up that
way, we'll do it.  (The wife and I live about five miles east of 6 in west
Houston, ourselves.)

  >...and Mineral Wells, which isn't the end of the world -- but you can see it
  >from there.  :-)

  You can see Lubbock from Mineral Wells?

Not quite...besides, who'd *want* to?  :-)

   - goober (this is rec.sport.football.college.texas.chat, right?) smith

   ps: Hwy 6 goes both ways... o never mind, it's an Aggie thing.
   pps: late night exam grading...

That works up there -- not if you're in Texas City, though...:-)
--
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From: zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Subject: The State of College Football - cont'd
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:21:31 GMT

Came across something interesting in the Houston Post today (yeah, yeah,
don't laugh, the Chronicle gets delivered home, and I have to have 
something to read, and it beats supporting the Dallas Morning Enquir--,
errrr News.

anyway...  It talks about Texas High School Football players....

686 Texans play in the SWC
558 play in the other 49 states, including...
	1) 49 at OU
	2) 21 at Missouri
	3) 12 at Notre Dame
	4) 11 at USC
	5) 9 at Miami

All in all, it says there are 103 Texans on top 25 teams, not counting
the 89 A&M players...

The report states that Texas turns out more players for Div IA schools
than any other state.  Take that Florida!  :-P   :-)  As for California,
I am sure they are second.  Texas probable eeks them out because of the
1100 or so high schools playing football in the state.  California being
a more urban state has fewer but larger high schools.

Lets keep some of these kids home this year, what do ya say?
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From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 12:29:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.051918.24521@ennews.eas.asu.edu> paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.142739@trc.amoco.com> zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael E. Dupree) writes:
>>
>>In article <14DEC199213533166@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>>> I'm compiling a list of Bowls-that-Were-but-Ain't-no-More, and I need some 
>>> net.assistance.  I need to find a total of 13 with their locations, and so  
>>> far I have five and only one location, as follows:
>>> 
>
>   The game I've been wondering about for a while is the Salad Bowl.
>Anyone know anything about it?  The extent of my knowledge is a sign
>in Sun Devil stadium stating ASU played there in I believe 1950.
>   
>
The Salad Bowl was held in Phoenix and the first game was on 1/1/48.
Nevada beat N. Texas St. 13-6.

Dave

-- 
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Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093
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From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Copper Bowl: Cougs ready?
Originator: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 08:03:18 GMT

Well, since there's been very little traffic in r.s.f.c and no mention of
the Copper Bowl yet, I thought I'd throw out a comment or two.  We've been
getting nightly reports from Tuscon here on the Cougars' stay down there,
and frankly, what I've seen has me a bit worried.  While Utah has held closed
practices, declined to go out on the town, and remained extremely focused on
the game, the Cougs have basically treated the whole thing like a vacation.
They have gone out every night, and most afternoons, since they arrived.  In
fact, it wasn't until Sunday evening that Mike Price said that they would 
"now be focusing more on the game."  I just hope that they're taking this
Utah team seriously.  On paper, we should win easily, but this high-scoring
style that Utah plays really worries me... I can't help but think back to
the FSU game (that's Fresno State, for all the Miami-FSU-ish people :), a
game that featured 3 "game-winning" drives in the final 3 minutes, eventually
won by the Cougs 39-37.

Whatever.  Maybe they know what they're doing... I hope so.  In spite of my
concerns, here is my optimistic Copper Bowl Eve prediction:

  Utah  17
  WSU   37

Any comments on how the whole situation looks from down there, Dave?

Jim 
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From: rownd@moby.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd)
Subject: Re: Big East Bowl Preview
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:09:25 GMT

>>Prediction:  Syracuse 36, Colorado 21.
>
>Colorado 21 Syracuse 17
>
>>Timothy C. Pitts
>
>Njan

Syracuse 31  Colorado 17 	Say 'em now, eat 'em later...we'll see...
							Go Buffs <----!!!

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thank the gods Kansas will finally be on FREE TV!  Kansas 25  BYU 17, I hope...
							Jayhawks on Xmas!
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Subject: TAMU Secret Weapon
From: mike@spss.com (mike cornwall)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:43:24 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

Seems like TAMU is pulling out all the stops. First they take an easier
opponent in order to keep their unbeaten streak alive ;-), now they are
sabotaging ND with a secret weapon - high school cheerleaders.

The hotel where ND is staying also happens to be the same hotel where
hundreds of bright eyed teenage cheerleaders are staying. They are in
town for a national cheerleading competition. ND officials were told
the team hotel would be occupied only by the Irish team and supporters
as well as some quests of Mobil Corporation.

Holtz has not yet accused TAMU of a Trojan horse conspiracy of sneaking
the girls into his bunker to distract his team from its preparation.
But don't put it past him.

The good news for Holts is that most of the girls who have been around 
the hotel this week have been high schoolers.

The bad news is that the college girls arrive today. "The guys are kind
of excited about that," remarked Demetrius DuBose. 

ROLL TIDE - stomp Gino into the ground where he belongs

--
Mike Cornwall
mike@spss.com
From: valdis@spica.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: USC should dropp ND series
Date: 22 Dec 1992 18:55:38 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: spica.usc.edu


In article <1h7l3aINN68n@smaug.West.Sun.COM> ericta@porky.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Taylor) writes:

> 
>>1. Clock Management: (Needs to use time outs more wisely both in the first and
>>                     second half). 
>>  
>>2. Lack of a Running Game: Has mostly contributed to making the offense more 
>>                           predictable and Rob Johnson a constant target. You 
>>                           can also blame this on poor recruiting in this area.>  
>>3. Shuffling of Players: The constant shuffling of players after EVERY play, 
>>                         has caused more harm than good. Smith claimed before 
>>                         the begining of the season, that he was going to simp->                         lify the offense a bit, but have seen liitle evidence
>>                         of this. 
> 
> 
>  I'm surprised nothing was mentioned about USC's defense.  This is a defense
>that has given up an average of 20.5 points per game.  Arizona is the first
>opponent held under ten points since 1990.


Good point. Since I spent so much time on offense I guess I did overlook this
area. Basiclly as far as defense, the two areas that need definate improvement
would be 

1. Defense against the long pass: Too many times that I,ve seen our cornerbacks
                                  getting burned on the big pass play. Need to
                                  be more aggressive.
2. Poor Tackling: Need to go back to fundementals and get away from the habit
                  of arm tackling.

>>As far as a overall opinion on wether Smith should (or will) be fired, due to 
>>AD McGee leaving, alot will depend on who is hired and on how SC will look next>week against Fresno St. My guess is that they will give him one more year.
> 
>  Mike McGee's parting shot was something like, "Larry Smith has made some
>mistakes, such as not double covering the wide receivers near the end of the
>UCLA game; but on the whole, I think he'll be fine."  By the way, Larry Smith
>is rumored to be halfway through a four year contract.

Let me add something to that. I was shocked that McGee said:"Most of the alumni
Ive talked to have not been that critical of Smith". I wonder what alumni group
or groups he associates with, last year there were ones attending the UCLA game
with "Can Smith" buttons. We'll probably see more next week. Stay tuned.

Valdis

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From: fwang@cslewis.helios.nd.edu (Fu-Quan Wang)
Subject: Joe Montana is so great.
Reply-To: fwang@cslewis.helios.nd.edu (Fu-Quan Wang)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:46:12 GMT

I now know why they named a state after his name.
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From: rownd@moby.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd)
Subject: Re: Gino Who???
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 23:04:08 GMT

>	Congratulations to Alabama for dominating Miami and for demonstrating
>how ordinary a QB Gino Toretta is. It brought back pleasant memories of a Sugar
>Bowl about 7 years ago when Tennessee whipped Miami. Also the really poor
>performance by Vinnie Testicleverde against Penn State. Maybe the mighty Canes
>should stick to playing bowl games on their home field!!!
>
>Russ Wyborski               |The opinions expressed here are

How many championships has Miami won outside the Orange Bowl?  Of course I
remember them beating Nebraska there twice and Oklahoma at least once...that
leaves one unaccounted for.  They lost a couple - in the Fiesta and now the 
Sugar - outside the OB.  It's nice to see them WITHOUT the home field 
advantage for once!

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