From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Newsgroups: alt.child-support,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Is it...Jacobian Meyers?
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:31:52 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1682AF34C.M20614@mwvm.mitre.org> M20614@mwvm.mitre.org (Hugh Pritchard) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.192246.14634@ll.mit.edu>
>yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) whines:
> 
>>	Well, there you have it.  Like a doctor at an accident scene
>>	who let's someone die because they might get sewed. You
> 
>[who lets ... get sued]
> 
>Is your analogy to an M.D. who's already gone through a residency and
>possibly a fellowship, and is board-certified?  Annie's just received
>her J.D.!  If I were in a car wreck, I'd much rather have an experienced
>EMT look after me than somebody fresh from medical school who hasn't even
>gone through an internship yet!
> 

	But she's all we've got!  I'd let an EMT help me if it
	would save my life.

>>	refuse to apply your skills to an area that you claim
>>	*personal* as well as *professional* interest.
> 
>I'm personally interested in pharmaceuticals.  Should I
>prescribe fentanyl for my friends who're in pain?
> 

	Not the same thing.


>>   See Annie, your presence here on this group indicates interest
>>	in the topic.  Your advertisement of your legal education
>>	puts some kind of attention to your skills in that area.
> 
>It means she's read law books and legal opinions for at least 3 years,
>and has a good idea of how law-makers and law-interpreters think.  She
>wants people to know that her opinions are informed in many legal matters.
> 

	Nice to know that the general consensus of the net is that
	all Annie is, is a bookworm.

>>	And your unabashed willingness to advertise that fact
>>	that you want to be known as such.
> 
>Is what?  Complete your sentences, please.
> 

	When I do mail, I type quickly and don't always check spelling
	and grammar.  This is the only reply I will give to your
	numerous attacks on this.  I, like Annie, have other things
	to do.


>> ... If there were a doctor
>>	at a car accident, wouldn't people seek his help?
> 
>This is not the same as the doctor offering his help.  Most doctors I know
>would indeed offer help, but only to the limit of their training.


	Yet she offers *NONE*.  Oh.  I see.  Well, I guess point taken.


> 
>> ...  Wouldn't
>>	his/her M.D. degree indicate ability in that area as well
>>	as interest?
> 
>Ooh, Alan!  Possessing a degree means having had the ability to get through
>the degree program; nothing more.
> 

	Just as long as everyone remembers this the next time she
	comes out with one of her "official" evaluations.


>>	Your problem (As I've said many times in the past) is that
>>	you came proudly to proclaim yourself as "champion of mens
>>	divorce rights".
> 
>"Champion"?  I never saw anything like that in her postings.  She said she
>*supported* the cause of rights for non-custodial fathers.
> 

	It's a net attitude.  Not a quote.

>>  Trouble is that one should not delegate
>>	authority without responsibility.  And I don't!
> 
>You have neither authority nor responsibility to delegate.

	Again.  A net attitude.  Plenty of others on the net with no
	"authority" have done so if even by their silence.  This
	includes *you* by this post.

> 
>>  *You* just
>>	came for the glory.  Not for the responsibility that goes
>>	along with it.
> 
>What glory is there in posting on a computer network?  What glory in
>exposing yourself to the flames of fools?
> 

	Well, Bob K. has nothing better to do than to hang around
	court rooms and report his findings. And there's a guy in my 
	neighborhood with nothing better to do than walk around with
	a fire radio and chase fires.  Don't be presumptuous and
	simpleminded.


>>>I'm not even a lawyer yet and I am doing more pro bono work then most
>>>I know.  I've been organizing my tail off for FREE, even holding our
>>>meetings in my own living room, at my family's expense, all while
>>>trying to finish school *and* parent.
> 
>I respect people who can successfully juggle school, parenting, and
>possibly making a living, all at the same time.
> 

	Good.  Then start patting.  *I* did college full time while
	working full time, supporting my family!


>>	Oh yes.  *That's* a big win.  Have you been able to ask the
>>	people my question? "Are you better off today than you were
>>	when you started here", like Reagan did?  I bet the answer
>>	would be, "No".
> 
>Your bets and opinions are worthless.  I'm quoting you just so I can
>correct your spelling and usage.
> 

	Well then you're wasting your time.  I think faster than I
	type, and I type so fast and so much, it's not worth
	reviewing.  If that's the only thing you've got to do with
	you're time, then join Annie, or the guy with the fire radio.
	And if it's the worst bash you have, then your opinions are
	also useless.


>>  So don't blow your horn about all the
>>	"good words" your handing out.
> 
>[... you're handing out.]
> 
>>    ...M.D's have a hypocratic oath to *help* people.
> 
>[Hippocratic]
> 

	Ouch!

>>
>>	I never said you "owe" me anything.  But usually people who
>>	have an area of genuine interest, are willing to participate
>>	in it willingly.
> 
>[redundant "willingly"]
> 

	Boy, you're really rearing me apart!

>She participates by posting informative articles to the net.  When she
>passes the bar, and is permitted to practice law, she may consent to
>perform legal services for you and others, pro bono or not.
> 

	Yea, I know.  All that advice about, "in *my* state.........
	but I'd see a lawyer."  Hey, there's another possibility why
	she's here!  A side job drumming up business.  She gets
	a commission!


>>  Presumably that's why you're here.  Oh,
>>	I get it.  "It's not what Annie can do for men; it's what
>>	this group can do for Annie".  Now I get it!!!  You read this
>>	group to embelish your own 1st hand knowledge of NCP fathers.
>>	Kind of a "fox in the Henhouse".  You can now take all this
>>	inside info into the courtroom with you and screw divorcing
>>	men.
> 
>Well, hell, that's why *I* read alt.child-support, to help my wife
>prevent her ex from screwing her!
> 

	You abviously have missed the point, then.  Seemingly it
	is *she* who might screw *him*.  Not the other way around.
	And with *this* thought proccess you expect me to believe
	in your literary skill?


>> Well you know, I've got something for you.  See[,] this
>>	national class action suit is BIG STUFF!!!!!
> 
>Do you see any recent med school grads announcing that THEY are going to
>FIND THE CURE FOR AIDS?  No, no recent med school grad would be that
>foolish.
> 

	Only those who are actively interested in the cause itself.
	Not those who are looking for a way to get rich.  Annie
	has seemingly expressed this passion.

>> Your name will
>>	be all over the papers as a WOMAN advocate of fathers rights!!!
>>	You'll be famous!!!  You'll be one of those high priced,
>>   kick ass lawyers who defend people like the Kennedy's. [No apostrophe]
>>	YOU'LL BE RICH!
> 
>No lawyer gets rich from doing pro bono work.

	Like I responded.  People generate funds for this kind of thing.
	And yes, they *do* get rich once haled as someone worth hiring
	to do the impossible.  (Annie's very quiet.  I know she's reading
	this, but she's studying ever more hard for her exams.  Because
	I've got her palms sweaty!!!)

> 
>>   ... Except if your genuinely fired up
> 
>[you're]
> 

	Fuck you!  I know how to read.


>>>Stop looking for a free handout from me.  You know nothing of the work
>>>and effort I put in, unless you truly think you can judge that from
>>>the net, in which case..well..that'd be pretty short-sighted.
>>
>>	Neither does anyone else know about it.  Cause if you had,
>>	you'd brag about it regularly.  That's why I'd think it.
> 
>Not everyone feels a need to brag.  Don't jump to conclusions.

	Correct.  I'm not junping to conclusions.  Her wearing
	her school on her sleeve is the brag.  She just never knew
	she'd have to live up to the reputation she created for herself.
	Bit off more than she could chew.


>>	Seems as though the class action suit would make *everyone*
>>	better off.  Since you really don't "care", maybe the thought
>>	of all the fame migh entice you.
> 
>Absolutely nothing will entice her until she passes the bar.
> 
>You are an ignorant, loud-mouthed oaf, Alan.
> 

	And this missive of spelling error corrections, misinterpreted
	sense of child support threat, and loose criticism about
	my though proccess is supposed to make me look up to you?



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	Alan Yasutovich
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