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From: dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: This has gone far enough! Stop avoiding the issues!
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:18:21 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Dec14.203158.4004@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, edd@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ed.knowles) writes:
> In article <18451@mindlink.bc.ca>, Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper) writes:
>> Rather than "avoiding the issues", let's avoid the argument.  Strong
>> Grandmasters can disagree on their assessment of a position - which is a good
>> thing for chess.  Trying to figure out how much Fischer has lost on the basis
>> of one match is silly.
> 
> Awww... come on. What's wrong with some lively discussion with few flames
> here and there. Sometimes this group is in danger of becoming a real
> "nerd central".  Also, I don't see why trying to figure out how much Fischer
> has lost on the basis of one match is silly. Besides, it's all we have to
> work with. 
> 
>> 
>> Trying to justify every move Fischer made on the one hand, or holding him to
>> an impossibly high standard on the other, isn't getting anyone anywhere.  Nor
>> is impugning Joel Benjamin's motives, even if you don't agree with his
>> analysis.  Probably only Fischer could clear up some of the mystery, and
>> since he doesn't care, why should we?
>> 
> 
> Well, Fischer and his supporters have him up on this pedestal of Undefeated
> World Champion and strongest player ever. I think that anyone who makes such
> claims should expect to be held up to a very high standard. 
> 
>> Maybe Short and Timman will rescue us from all this.
> 
> Yes, they will. Should be a good match. Remember Timman wins 9-5. You
> heard it here first.
>

STOP BASHING SHORT! 

YOU ROTTEN JERK!!!!!!!! YOU HAVE NO BASIS! YOU ARE EVIL!!!! 
I HATE YOU, I HATE YOU, I HATE YOU!!!!!!   ;-)

just kidding everybody....just *PRETENDING* to flame  :-)


actually, i think Mr. Short will trounce Timman, and will go on to,
you heard it here first.....beat gary kasparov for the FIDE championship. 

 
>                                                  -Ed Knowles, W.M.C.
>
From: fsmgs@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Michael Schmahl [Black-Robe Mage])
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: F indicted, is this good for chess's image
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:31:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: raven.1992Dec17.013128.10537
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network

antonp@woods.ulowell.edu writes
> "Chess King Fischer indicted"
> By Tom Squitieri
> and Robert Davis
> USA TODAY
> 	BELGRADE, Yugoslavia
> -The U.S. indicted chess champ Bobby Fischer Tuesday, vowing to arrest
> the political 'pawn' if he returns.
no pawn....
> 	He's 'being checkmated in Yugoslavia,' said U.S. Attorney Jay
> Stephens. He said Fischer, 49, is 'a pawn of Yugoslavia's effort
> to bust the economic sanctions.'
How does one checkmate a pawn? :-)  Actually looks more like stalemate to me... :-)

> Now please tell me that this press is not detrimental to
> Chess's image... This story effectively links professional
> chess, certainly at least US professional chess, to
> the black market, Serbia (which has a slightly worse
> image nowadays than Nazi Germany), and "daily back massages."
> Furthermore, it makes the "chess champion" Fischer look
> like a fool, "checkmated" by the US Attorney's Office
> and swindled out of millions by a future third
> world dictator. Lastly, by announcing that Fischer is
> "mulling over" the top job in a professional
> chess federation, how does this story make
> professional chess federations look?
Sorry.  Looks bleak for chess.  At least there's been some counterpress and letters  
to the editor by USCF staff.  I think USA Today should interview Dlugy.

> Tell me again, Don, how "any press is good press" for chess.
> 

Maybe not...

> Peter Anton

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From: olesen@math.uiowa.edu (Martin Olesen)
Subject: Re: US championship CROSSTABLE
Originator: olesen@maple.math.uiowa.edu
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:05:02 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA


  Is Shirazi ever going to get any points?

                                Martin
From: gpylant@admin1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Time Controls: what is best?
Date: 17 Dec 92 08:42:29 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

Now comes the question: what is the best time control for a 5ss ?
I have directed 100+ tourneys since 1971 and there is always several
games that go down to the wire and go over to secondary time controls.
At first 50 moves in 2 hours was ok, but near the end of the tournament
there was always a big delay in starting the last round.  Out of towners
were wanting to wrap things up and get home.

Then came the advent of 40 moves in 100 minutes.  This help somewhat, but
the old trouble kept creeping back ( some players always get in time pressure).
Nevertheless, this control was better and help to make the rounds run more on
time.

The main difficulty in a weekend swiss is the three rounds on Saturday.
Most of the schedules were the same: 9-2-7 on Sat. and 9-2 on Sunday. Some
directors came up with the idea of an optional round on Friday night which was
a little easier on the 3 round Saturday format, but still you may end up in a 
long Friday night game and be wore out anyway for the next day.

In the last few years more tourneys have sudden death time controls to speed
things up.  Personally, I like SD only if the first Control is slower, say
30 moves in 90 minutes or even 40 in 2, but with 9-2-7 format 5 hours for each
round is hard to come by.  In the Mid-South Open in November we tried a new
approach: 40 in 90 minutes then SD in one hour.  This guarantees that no game
will last over 5 hours and all rounds can start on time.  The tourney did 
run more efficiently, but a few players were upset about playing faster.

Gary Pylant

Tempus fugit!
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From: epeterso@encore.com (Eric Peterson)
Subject: The ICS Account Database Was Corrupted!
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:05:34 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

This just in from the MOTD of the ICS on valkyries.andrew.cmu.edu:

                INCREDIBLY SUPER DUPER IMPORTANT MESSAGE:

*****************************************************************************
*****************************************************************************

Thursday, at about 8:00 pm. EST, valkyries's disk overfilled.  At the time,
IRS was running, and had its database open.  When valkyries rebooted, the
database files became corrupted. As a result, we have to go back to our
backup.  The last backup was made November 13.  That's one month of accounts
and games lost.

Note that valkyries usually has more than 100 Megs free disk space.  We are
looking into what caused the disk shortage now.  The new server seems to be
at fault in some manner, so we have switched back for the time being.

We will NOT modify anyone's rating to what it was before.  All ratings that
are in the backup are not going to be modified in any manner.

If you are no longer registered, do *not* re-send your registration request.
This weekend, we will go through all our (archived) mail and re-add all the
accounts.

REPEAT:  DO NOT RESEND REGISTRATION REQUESTS.

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The new server is currently running benignly on port 5010.
From: mem@world.std.com (Jeff Lesser)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Chess psychology
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:49:58 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA


This "USNCF" thing is the most clever idea yet.  Good going.  Sounds like
a premise for a hilarious Saturday Night Live skit!
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hyatt@cis.uab.edu (Robert Hyatt)
Subject: Re: computer chess postings
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:48:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.155922.26260@chemeng.ed.ac.uk> steven@Chemeng.Ed.Ac.Uk writes:
>Much of the above contibution (by Robert Hyatt) is true. However:
>(a) most computers are hopeless at strategic play, e.g. endgames. Can a $300 
>    machine mate with K+B+B v K, when the mate isn't immediate?

Surprisingly, yes.  Harry Nelson wrote a simple algorithm (one of many) that
allows Cray Blitz to mate with bishop and knight against king with very shallow
searches (3-4 ply max).  While I don't know exactly what Fidelity put in the
Mach III for such cases, it could be done quite simply.  Most programs try to
drive the king to an edge and then a corner, and the B+B ending is pretty
easy.  The B+N ending is harder because you have to choose the right corner.
Other endings are accomplished nearly as easily, but there are many (non-
mating types) that are almost impossible without deep searches.  However,
I can't recall a KBB vs K game in all the years I (and/or Cray Blitz) have
been playing.......  same for our B+N stuff..... been tested by us, but
never used in a game.


>(b) computers don't blow smoke in your face, don't write their move down on a 
>    scoresheet they then hide beneath a captured pawn, etc. The psychology of
>    OTB chess still has to be learnt, and IS important.

good point.  The first master we defeated in a tournament game (1981 Mississippi
Closed Championship) later did an interview in the Jackson, MS Clarion Ledger
and complained that his "intimidating" style of play was "lost" on the computer,
that it ignored his smashing the clock, slamming pieces around, moving quickly,
etc.  An amusing (to the Cray Blitz group, anyway) set of comments.  Now,
you complain that the machine doesn't do these???   :^)  It would be easier
to make it smash the clock than to search deeper..... alas....

Bob
>
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From: capsa@igc.apc.org (CAPSA)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: US Championship Round 9 GAMES
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:58:00 GMT
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Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!capsa    Dec 15 18:58:00 1992


A very grateful thank you, Elliott.

Fraternally,

Jerry Bibuld
From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Chess computer game... which one?
Date: 13 Dec 92 09:31:00 GMT
Organization: Not Very Ltd.

928s4@leland.Stanford.EDU (Benjamin Sloss) writes:
> In article <19272.2b25f169@ecs.umass.edu> nllopis@ecs.umass.edu writes:
> >I was looking for a GOOD chess computer program for the PC. 
> >I currently use Chessmaster 3000 and I think is great (with
> >all the Mentor options and all that). 
> >Are there any other ones as good or better?
> >
>   Indeed there are!  In rough order of playing strength, they are:
>[...]

The new Knightstalker 2 seems to be pretty improved.  Also, news has it
that Richard Lang is releasing his own PC program - it seems that his
employer (Hegener & Glaser, Munich) for whom he wrote the MEPHISTO programs
does a fast decline since they bought Fildelity America and lost a lot
of money...

ralf
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From: fsmgs@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Michael Schmahl [Black-Robe Mage])
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: 3D chess (8x8x3) rules
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:05:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: raven.1992Dec18.000509.29078
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network

By the way, the 3D chess games you may have seen that consist of three stacked  
boards are flawed.  For example, 3 queens cannot mate a bare king.  I also have a  
fix for these, from _New Rules for Classic Games_ as well as other, non-3D versions  
that use three boards.

Has anyone experimented or invented a chess game where the pieces have the ability  
to move through time in any way?

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From: mzabel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel)
Subject: Re: Alekhine attack in French defense
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:12:50 GMT

In article <breuker.724580257@cs.rulimburg.nl> breuker@cs.rulimburg.nl (Dennis
Breuker) writes:
>
>It's the variation after (actually it's called Alekhine-Chatard):
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7 5.e5 Nfd7 6.h4!?
>(for instance 6...Bxg5 7.hxg5 Qxg5 8.Nh3 ...)

     I always thought it was called that also, but recently
     a friend of mine called it:

     Albin-Chatard Attack!

     I thought he was wrong, but showed me 2 different citings
     with this name (one was Openings for the Club Player, Harding).
     In most books I've seen it it's called Alekhine-Chatard, as
     was said here.

     Does anyone know the definitive answer here?

-Mark
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: gls@windmill.ATT.COM (not the wind, not the mill)
Subject: Re: 3... I in the King's Gambit
Organization: Save the Dodoes Foundation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:17:53 GMT

In <33836@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU>, mginsbur@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU writes:
> 
> 1.  e4 e5  2. f4 ef 3. Bc4.  
> 
> Now, I am claiming that 3...f5 is playable (the Greco counter-gambit) -
> what do people think?  (I've found holes in published ECO analysis
> on this line).

Not quite what I'd call a Greco!  Anyway, I looked up Korchnoi's anaylsis
in E.C.O. (1st ed.).  He suggests 4. Qe2, adding that after 4. ef Qh4+
(what else?); 5. Kf1 (can't play 5. g3 because of the loose bishop on c4)
5... f3 (otherwise White plays Nf3 and Black loses time); 6. d3 (I think
that 6. d4 may be stronger, but insufficient) 6... fg+ and White does
not have compensation.  He also cites Marco--Maroczy, Vienna 1903: 4. Nc3
Qh4+; 5. Kf1 fe; 6. N:e4 Be7; 7. d4 Nh6; 8. Nf3 Qh5; 9. B:f4 d5; 10. Ng3
Qf7; 11. Bb5+ c6; 12 Bh6 cb etc. and White is straining.  Strategically I
think 6... Ne7 is better; it still threatens ... d5, but it also leaves h6
free for the Queen, to help guard the Pf4.  But the game would have been very
different, and probably not to Marco's taste.

I can't help seeing 5. Qe2 as premature.  Here are some other ideas:

5. Qf3, with something like a Breyer Gambit.  If 5... fe, 6. Qh5+ g6;
7. Qe5+ and White should win.

5. d3, to maintain the center, attack the Pf4, and stop the threat of
... Qh4+ and ... f3.  Black can still drive White's king to f1, but
one expects that in a Bishop's Gambit.  White has Qf3 in reserve.

The Muzio-like 5. Nf3 fe; 6. O-O ef; 7. Q:f3 with very irritating threats
in return for the piece.  But Black can play 6... d5 instead!  How about
6. Ne5 with other very irritating threats?

The King's Gambit is supposed to be fun, "Korch"!  Let's not turn it
into a variation of the Caro-Kann.

-:-
	When we overtook him he was climbing a gate, and was gazing
	earnestly into the field, where a horse, a cow, and a kid were
	browsing amicably together.  "For its father, a _Horse,_ he
	murmured to himself.  "For its mother, a _Cow._ For their dear
	little child, a _little_ Goat, is the most curiousest thing I
	ever seen in my world!"

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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: jussi@lut.fi (Jussi Salminen)
Subject: Mate in four
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:55:10 GMT
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland

	Hello all you problemists out there! This one is
for you:

	White: Ke7; Rb5; Ba6; Nd7; pb3,c4,e2,e5 (8)
	Black: Kc7; pa7,b6,c5, (4)

	White mates in four moves. Enjoy!

			Jussi

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: edd@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ed.knowles)
Subject: Re: Chess psychology
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:26:11 GMT
Summary: Please, no generalities...

In article <104974@bu.edu>, rodin@acs.bu.edu (luis del) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> Thus  the anti social after being subjected to much communicative failure in life, has rationalized that the  personality of the individual in which he or she wishes to express himself is secondary. This is ofcourse is the first step towards sexual inadeq> uacy.
> 
> 	This is my opinion. I know some will get offended. Some will say, " Join the Psychology newsgroup and leave me alone." Others will say, " you ar ethe sexually represed.  You are the nerd, you are the misfit," And so on and so on.  But I am reallly intere> sted to find the  answer to my original question. Because if I desire to be a good player, then I should follow the proper path to achieve mental optimality, with in the game of chess.
>  

Join the psychology newsgroup and leave me alone... etc... 8^)

                                       -Ed Knowles


Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: sigma@degas.ipl.rpi.edu (Kevin Martin)
Subject: Re: Bought Eight Ball Deluxe, have questions!
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:27:39 GMT

cjm9321@hertz.njit.edu (The InfoMan) writes:
>jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Stephen Jonke) writes:
>>Well, I took the plunge and purchased an Eight Ball Deluxe.
>>
>>1) It doesn't say "Stop talking and start chalking" if you start a game, but
>>don't put the ball in play.  I could swear this was from EBD, but am I
>>thinking of Eight Ball Champ?  Was it triggered in some other fashion?
>
>	That's because that is from Cue Ball Wizard (Gottlieb)

Gottlieb stole it.  Eight Ball Deluxe came out many years ago, and this
quote became very famous along with the game (to a certain degree).  8BD
does indeed say "Stop talking and start chalking" if you leave the ball at
the plunger for a while.

-- 
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From: Zio zZz <zio@Garg.Campbell.CA.US>
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Doctor Who - Rules Sheet
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 01:41:43 PST
Distribution: us
Organization: The Land of Garg

Could someone please either post or email a rules sheet for Doctor Who?  
The one at the local arcade doesn't have it, and has on its rulecard 
holder the rules for (get this) Creature from the Black Lagoon!  Idiots!  

Thanks in advance!


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Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: anstey@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Charles Anstey)
Subject: Need help lining up inlane to flipper to prevent ball bounce
Organization: Clarkson University, Potsdam NY
Distribution: rec.games.pinball
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:25:25 GMT

I just bought a High Speed pinball and was able to fix it up to play 
really well but the right side inlane rests just slightly too low so that
when the ball comes down the inlane, it hits the top of the flipper and
bounces up slightly making shots difficult from the right flipper.  I have
tried to move the inlane up and tighten it down but after a few ball hits, 
it goes back to its natural position (too low).

Does anyone have any ideas?  It looks like the original parts in their
proper location but something must be out of adjustment.  Is there any way
to change the resting angle of the flipper?

Thanks in advance.

-Charles Anstey
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From: "terry cumming" <terry.cumming@canrem.com>
Subject: book/flyers for sale
Reply-To: "terry cumming" <terry.cumming@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:23:49 EST

FOR SALE: "Pinball - The Lure of the Silverball" by Gary Flower
and Bill Kurtz. An excellent presentation on all aspects of pinball
loaded with lots of great color photos.

Also: A set of 6 full color 8.5 * 11 flyer reproductions of popular
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Originals could cost $50 or more!

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Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
From: sigma@degas.ipl.rpi.edu (Kevin Martin)
Subject: Re: Stupid Pinball Tricks
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:55:22 GMT

phaedrus@halcyon.com (Mark Phaedrus) writes:
>I normally wouldn't; defend High Speed II.  Yes, on the old ROMs, it was
>trivially easy to get balls to collide in the Supercharger during Multiball,
>sending them who-knows-where.  I've been told by reasonably reliable sources
>that there are new ROMs out there that, among other interesting rules changes,
>send the balls around the Supercharger only once (not 10 times) during
>Multiball.  This supposedly makes it very difficult to get the balls to crash.

I hope it spots you ten loops for that one circuit!  Otherwise Jackpots
would be little more than a fantasy.  What are the revisions out there, if
anyone knows?  We have L-1 in the otherwise new machine, with the usual
confusion in Secret Mania, tendency to eject another ball even though the
ball search should have stopped already, and if one player lights the
Special at 8 Tunnel Shots, the other players can't light it - well, until
58, at least.

Is there a setting in the ROMs to relight the kickback for every ball?
That would almost make me a fan of the game.

-- 
Kevin Martin
sigma@ipl.rpi.edu
"I told you I'd shoot, but you didn't believe me! WHY didn't you BELIEVE me?!"
From: marston@coos.dartmouth.edu (David Marston)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: "Numbers" Pinball Machines
Summary: They're bingo machines
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:33:59 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <92350.110135DJP3@psuvm.psu.edu> Dennis J. Phillips
<DJP3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>When I was a kid I played a kindof pinball machine that was made up of 25
>holes each corresponding to a number from 1-25.  When the ball rolled into
>one of these holes that number would light up on a grid on the face of the
>machine.  The trick was to get three, four, or five numbers to light up in a
>row.  If you achieved this feat you would "win" additional games.

You are describing the bingo pinball machines, which are considered to be
gambling devices. A few articles have appeared recently in various hobby
publications. Subscribe to the Trader and/or Journal (see the FAQ) and you
will see ads offering them for sale.
.................David Marston          uunet!dartvax!coos!marston
                                        marston@coos.dartmouth.EDU
From: Rob_Rosenhouse@hq-bbs.wisdom.bubble.org (Rob Rosenhouse)
Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball
Subject: Re: Stupid Pinball Tricks
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:12:56 GMT
Organization: Headquarters BBS

In a message dated Mon 14 Dec 92 21:09, Lfs@mitre.org (lyman F. Sheats Jr.)
wrote:

 LFS> A really strange image just came to me.  Consider the following:

 LFS> C: Bad Pinball Game Designs for $100 please, Alex.
 LFS> A: The answer is: "The sequel to the 1986 original, this machine
 LFS> featured
 LFS> a magnetic ball "accelerator" that would send pinballs airborne,
 LFS> smashing
 LFS> them into plastic, denting the playfield, and often losing them
 LFS> inside the
 LFS> cabinet."
 LFS> C: The Getaway -- High Speed 2.
 
      A: Ooooh, soooooo sorry, but you didn't phrase that in the form of a 
question.   :)
 
 
Rob


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