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From: bradk%isdgsm@RTSG.MOT.COM ((Brad Kaiser))
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Subject: Re: John Michael Talbot's music style
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:28:03 GMT
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>> In my experience Talbot has an acoustical, easy style. And yes he is
>> a Christian artist, though of what affiliation I don't know.

He's one of those awful Catholics. ;-)

(Actually, I believe he's in a religious order.  Anybody know for
sure?  Is he a Franciscan?)

In Jesus,

Brad Kaiser
(bradk%isdgsm@rtsg.mot.com)

	  Those who trust in Him shall understand truth,
	  and the faithful shall abide with Him in love;
	  Because grace and mercy are with His holy ones,
	  and His care is with His elect.
		    -- Wis 3:9 [NAB]
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:23:35 EDT
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Scripturette 10/7

"Come, let's sing for joy to the Lord.
  Let's shout praises to the Rock who saves us.
Let's come to him with thanksgiving.
  Let's sing songs to him.
The Lord is the great God.
  He is the great King over all gods.
The deepest places on earth are his.
  And the highest mountains belong to him.
The sea is his because he made it.
  He created it with his own hands.
Come, let's bow down and worship him.
  Let's kneel before the Lord who made us.
He is our God.
  And we are the people he takes care of
  and the sheep that he tends." (Psalm 95:1-7)

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo

Scriptures quoted from the International Children's Bible (ICB), New Century
Version, copyright 1986, 1988 by Word Publishing, Dallas, Texas 75039.  Used by
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:24:13 EDT
From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Reply-Romania/Moldova Trip

Grace and peace to  you from God our Father and  the Lord Jesus Christ!!!

Tom, Praise  the Lord! God  is good  and greatly to  be praised. I  am so
happy for you and  the others that are going to  Romania. I just recently
joined Christia  and will joining in  the prayers for a  successful trip.

Dear Heavenly Father,
Thank you  for this opportunity  for allowing Tom  and his friends  to be
your light in a  dark place. We ask you Father that  you anoint them with
a double portion of your love and  power, that many people will be saved,
delivered, and  set free. Our prayer  is that you take  them there safely
and put a hedge of protection around  them and that your angels will camp
'round about them. Let your Word prosper  and let them sing to your glory
and honor.  Also Father,  let them  find favor at  the borders.  In Jesus
name I pray.  Amen and Amen.
Your sister in Christ,

Shelby --Atlanta, Georgia-- Emory University
From: NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET (Jesse Carnes)
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Subject: To Theodore Penn
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:33:01 GMT
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Dear Theodore ;

Looks like I cannot reach you by your e-mail address for a private letter
to you.  I just attempted to send you a post on myself, my church and c.


Jesse Carnes

P.S. John 6:65 for your consideration
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:29:19 -0500
From:         BKCOBB@LIFE.UAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: That P' word again

Dear Jesse;

> As a reply to the individual who implemented the "God is not willing that
> ANY should perish..." scenario from 2 Peter 3, let me show not that the topic
> of that section was the then soon to occur Parousia of Christ.
> Contextually, Peter is using Eschatological language of the most dramatic
> sort.  This same language was used more than once in the O.T. to show the
> end of an era or ruler, but NEVER the end of the planet.
> Overstatement is a genuine grammatical genre of the O.T. and is used to
> indicate the next "Day of the Lord" as stated by Peter.

It was I (Brian) who alluded to 2 Peter 3:9.  As I mentioned in a previous
post, there are many verses I could have used as an example.  This was the
first one that came to mind.

But, Hermanuetically speaking, this is exactly what I am talking about.
You're interpreting eschatological
language figuratively to "prove" the second coming took place in 70 A.D.
I don't think you have sufficient grounds for taking it figuratively.
(And, Puh-leez don't tell me if I would only read Dr. a-mill's book I
would see the error of my ways.)

The eschatological language, when taken literally refers to the end of
the planet.  I submit you are letting your theology color your interpretation
of scripture.  This applies to predestination/election as well, as you
interpret Peter's ALL non-literally to make it fit in with the doctrine
of a limited atonement.


>Specifically, Peter is indicating that God was not willing that any of God's
>ELECT should perish, but be saved in the judgement that was soon to occur at
>that time upon Apostate Israel.

Ditto.  Peter did not speak of the elect.  Peter didn't say Israel would
be judged, he said the world would be consumed by fire.

> How could it be people in general, if God was NOT WILLING for ANY to perish?
> If God is not willing for something to occur, are we stronger than the will
> of God?  Actually, Jesus says that God is not willing for any of those GIVEN
> to Himself to perish, but that they should be raised up at the last day.
> Do we doubt this as well, or can we say that our wills are stronger than
> God's?


I think Peter is saying that it is God's desire that none should perish
but that all should come to repentance.  If God desires that an event
happen that God can either cause the event to happen or make a way for
the event to happen.   I think the Calvinist would say that God causes
the event to happen, while the Arminian (are there Armenian Arminians?)
would say God makes a way for it to happen.  But, whichever side of the
fence you come down on, desiring that an event happen
and making an event happen are not identical.


Brian
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From: billc@housing.msstate.edu (Bill Chapman)
Subject: Re: help/info
Organization: Housing Department, Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:51:44 GMT

In article <CHRISTIA%92101610400050@ASUACAD.BITNET> halima t <MAINPER7@UGA.BITNET> writes:
>Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:33:10 EDT
>From:         halima t <MAINPER7@UGA.BITNET>
>Subject:      help/info
>i would like to find out if anyone in e-mail land knows a missionary serving in
>spain who is supported by a reformed presbyterian church (pca, opc, rpc...etc.)
>or if anyone out there actually attends such a church with missions to spain.
>i am interested in knowing about their work, reception, the current climate
>of spain with regards to reformed doctrine, and all other aspects of their
>experience. you can just post me directly. many thanks!

The last I knew, Clay Quarterman was serving in Spain under the auspices of 
the Mission to the World (MTW) of the PCA.

I would expect any local PCA church would be able to get you connected to 
someone in MTW.

--
Bill Chapman, Box 1262, Mississippi State, MS  39762
<BillC@Housing.MSState.edu>           (601) 325-2042
From: LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET (SHELBY A. CROSS)
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Subject: Reply to Prayer Request-Yvette
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:22:51 GMT
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Dear Yvette,

I saw your  prayer request for you  and your family and want  you to know
that my family and I  will be praying for you.

Dear Heavenly Father,

We thank  you and praise you  for all the  many things you have  done for
us. We  are bringing  before you  Yvette and her  family. You  know their
needs and  desires Father. Please give  them the desires of  their hearts
as  they line  up with  your Word.  Father we  thank you  in advance  for
meeting this  request. We  also ask  you Father to  bless them  with your
love, peace, and joy always.  In Jesus Name we pray.  Amen.

Love,
Shelby---Atlant, GA.---Emory University
From: LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET (SHELBY A. CROSS)
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Subject: PRAYER REQUEST FOR GENE
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:42:34 GMT
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Greetings to my brothers and sisters in Christ,

I have an  urgent prayer request that  you pray for my  husband, Gene, he
has been feeling bad  for sometime now and will be going  to see the doc-
tor later this  afternoon. He requests that  you all pray for  him. We do
indeed know that  the Lord will be faithful in  answering our prayers for
his total healing.  This is my first  prayer request and in  faith I look
forward in  being able to have  a testimony from this.  Praise the Lord!!

Note: My husband also requests that you  pray that he go forward with the
ministry that  the Lord has  called us into.  We are witnessing  to those
that live in our neighborhood and from this;people, mostly children, have
faithfully been coming  to church. Since we only have  one car that seats
six (which  accommodates just our family  of six), we make  two and three
trips to take them. We are in desperate  need of a van to take these dis-
advantaged  children, sometimes  their parents,  to church  every Sunday.
Please be in agreement with us that  the Lord will provide us with a van.
Usually we take  them morning and evenings.  Most of them go  to two ser-
vices  each  Sunday;  we  also  would like  to  take  them  on  outtings.
We  have  never seen  people  so  hungry for  the  Lord  - Praise  God!!!
We give God  all the glory and  honor. People are so hungry  for the Gos-
pel.

Thank you so much Christia --  I've only joined recently and have enjoyed
this  list  very  much.  Thank  you   again  for  all  of  your  prayers.

Love,
Shelby and Gene --Atlanta, GA.--Emory University--U.S.A.
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From:         "(MARK DRAKE)" <DRAKE@ASUCHM.LA.ASU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: New nature vs. two natures.

>    In Romans four, Paul says that God can declare things that >
aren't as though they were, so maybe this is what Paul is >    meaning
by the "all old things are passed away" quote, I'm not >    sure.

>    Dan Graham

When I think of the thought that all old things are passed away, I
think of people such as my friend Dave.  He led the "wild" life, far
from God.  (Actually, really far from God.  As in running the drug
trade for the arian brotherhood while he was in the state prison,
"business trips to columbia, gang bannging, etc.)  He is now saved,
and he is a different person, a new person.  Yet he still struggles
with sin.

Some of us were never that bad, so it is perhaps not as easy to see
that there is a new creation there, but I think from God's perspective
it is quite obvious.  And I can see, as I grow more mature in Christ,
that I really was made new, it just takes time for me to see all the
fruit of the process (thanks to stephen for the analogy).  I can also
see this in others - it takes time in some for the change to become ever
more visible.

Mark
From: YST1@DCCCDBIT.BITNET (Yvette Traylor)
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Subject: Re: Some thoughts on commitment
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:22:45 GMT
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> This is exactly where I'm at. I know that the way we do it now is not
> what it should be, but since I don't have any better ideas I keep on
> doing it the old-fashioned way. But I'm waiting and praying (well, I
> should pray more about it!) for new and better ways.
>
>
> Not yet...
>
  Wolfgang and Other's,

Remember that: "For God is my King of old, working savation in the
midst of the earth." Psalms 74:12
God has been doing his job a long time and I wonder how many times
over eternity has he said "I need new and better ways to save mankind."
We are only vessels that he uses. And I truly believe that the most
important thing that we can do for God is to make ourselves available
for him to use us in what ever way he wants to. To me, there is no such
thing as a new and better way to share the Gospel, because which ever
way you share it, it's God's way. I have learned that you Pray First and
Proclaim Second.
I would love to street witness the old fashion way, but unfortunately
I am a scardie cat. Keep up the blessed work.
Your friend in Christ,

   Yvette Traylor     "We are His people and the sheep of his pasture."
   Dallas County Community College District             Psalm 100:3
   Computer Programmer/Analyst from Dallas - Texas
"I know worse things about myself that you will ever say about me." Anon
From: YST1@DCCCDBIT.BITNET (Yvette Traylor)
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Subject: Prpohetic Dreams, Spiritual Warfare In Dreams
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:57:21 GMT
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 Carl,
I am finally getting a chance to tell of a couple of my experiences.

One day I was watching this movie, something the Omen Part 7, where
the Anti-Christ named Damien, has had a child who was pregant when
she was born, anyway it was a stupid movie like that.
As I was watching this, made for TV movie, all of a sudden I actually
felt a presence enter the room, I mean I really felt something enter
the room that was not human. I didn't get the feeling that what ever
came in the room was from God so I started praying and Praising
Jesus real quick, and when I raised up the presence or what ever it was,
was gone.

One Monday, back in August of this year I was real tired here at work, &
on my lunch break, I dozed off and had a dream that my kids and I were
in a car wreck. Well I was real nervious all of that week, and Friday
afternoon, guess what happened, my son and I were in a wreck. It was
really the strangest thing, when the guy stopped in the middle of the
and I knew I was going to have to hit him, a voice said, you are going
to hit him, but you all will be alright. I was so calm and collected
the guy I hit didn't  know what to say. I thank God that he is so Good.
I have one more dream to tell yall about, but it will have to wait
until tomorrow, because it's time for me to go home.


   Yvette Traylor     "We are His people and the sheep of his pasture."
   Dallas County Community College District             Psalm 100:3
   Computer Programmer/Analyst from Dallas - Texas
"I know worse things about myself that you will ever say about me." Anon
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 10:26:28 CDT
From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: That P' word again
              9 Oct 1992 22:24:01 -0500 from <BKCOBB@LIFE.UAMS.EDU>

Dear Brian et al ;

Brian  et al ;

I do not an axe to grind, I promise, but I am concerned with the primacy
of Truth and a person who has no love for Truth is no Christian ... and please
do not infer any reference to you.
A true believer has love for truth and an unbeliever does not.  Simple as that.

Truth has taken a beatin' in this perverse generation and experience has been
exaulted as "godly."  What a vout face!
Additionally, hermeneutics and logic has been waylaid as well, due to the
darkening of the minds of imposter Christians.
But, in some cases, it is just a case of immature Christians needing more
instruction, as I still do in many areas.


Jesse Carnes
From: CCRE@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (Mike Rainville)
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Subject: Re: Catholic Truth from Holy Spirit within (was Absolution)
Date: 10 Oct 92 19:59:27 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <1992Sep15.050232.13061@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk (G.J. McCaughan) writes:
>In article <BuLB7v.ILu@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep10.235810.905@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk (G.J. McCaughan) writes:
>> >But suppose someone considers that there is *no* church on earth which
>> >is "the true Church"; no church on earth that has no false dogmas.
>> >Suppose that person decides that the church whose teachings are "best"
>> >is the RCC; should they be a Roman Catholic, or are they obliged to leave
>> >the RCC because they do not consider it the one true church in your sense?
>>
>>    Such a person cannot be be a Catholic, because one of the basic
>> Catholic dogmas is that there _is_ such a Church, the Catholic Church.
>
>That's a bit hard on him, if he believes that he needs to confess his
>sins to a priest, and that he needs to go regularly to Mass. Suppose
>he believes these things, but considers that the Church made a mistake
>in (say) asserting the Immaculate Conception of Mary. What should he
>do? It sounds from what you say as if such a person is necessarily
>damned (unless he changes his mind) because the Church will not
>administer those sacraments to him.
>--
>Gareth McCaughan     Dept. of Pure Mathematics & Mathematical Statistics,
>gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk  Cambridge University, England.    [Research student]
>.
>.
Consider the question from a different perspective. Christ spoke at
length, at the Last Supper, about the Holy Spirit He would send to dwell
in us to comfort and guide us.  The same Spirit inspired the Scripture
and guides the Magisterium of the Catholic Church in all moral teaching
and the interpretation of Scripture.

A Catholic is a Catholic because of the free gift of Faith from God. As
he or she is enlightened by the Holy Spirit, it is not possible for such
inconsistent beliefs to be found in a Catholic.  The fact that someone
doesn't believe in such an important truth is evidence that they are not
a Catholic and of the absence of the Holy Spirit.

It can be, however, due to the many false teachers that abound these
days, that people are confused and perhaps denied access to the truths
they need to hear.  There are two certain remedies to confusion and lack
of Faith.  Obey the commandments from Scripture and pray the Rosary.

May God bless you all,
Mike Rainville
Montreal, Canada
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:50:47 CST
From:         Ian Williams <iwilliam@AU.ORACLE.COM>
Subject:      WOW!

Ehhh Hello everyone, guess what!..

Ol Ian is gunna be a daddy!!!

Yep, I found out today why Chellon (my wife) has been a little sick and
irritable and sore lately.. What a blessing!

About three-ish months ago we had a prophesy spoken over us that we would
have a child soon, and that my ministry would begin to be fruitfull.


PLEASE!!! Be Praying for Chellon and the child, that all goes well for
the pregnancy. Please Pray especially for the child that God is creating
in the womb, for its safetly, for its well being and for a life that
will be an honor for the Lord..


Psalm 139..

13: For you created my inmost being,
    You knit me together in my mothers womb.

14: I Praise you, because I am fearfully and wonderfully made.
    Your works are wonderful,
    I know that full well.

15: My frame was not hidden from you
    When I was made in the secret place.
    When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,

16: your eyes saw my unformed body.
    All the days ordained for me
    were written in your book
    before one of them came to be.

Amen!

and pray for me, im a mess!





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Oracle Systems       |   /      \  |	  Phone	  : +61 8 239 3900
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From: ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM (Eric James Ewanco)
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Subject: Re: Medjugorje
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:13:53 GMT
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My opinion of the CRJ is falling rapidly; someone else somewhere posted
something they wrote against the Catholic church that really turned me
off.

It is easy to find scoffers; the Bishop of Mostar, in whose diocese
Medjgorje is in, will offer much criticism of the apparitions.  Mainly
because of a disciplinary action he took, possibly unjustly, against
priests of another order -- one of the visionaries asked Mary what
should be done, and she urged him to reconsider.  That was it, he was
infuriated that she would so such disrespect for him, and he's been an
opponent ever since.

I'd be interested in hearing the results.  Keep in mind that criticism
of Medjugorje at this point is most certainly NOT criticism of the
Catholic Church, because the Church has made no decision yet on the
apparitions.  No Catholic is permitted to state that s/he "believes in
the apparitions."  Also keep in mind that the message is for all people,
and people of all denominations are being healed and converted to Christ
through these messages.

Eric
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From: GRAHAM%DRCV06.decnet@DRCVAX.AF.MIL (DRCV06::GRAHAM)
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Subject: LOGICALLY ILLOGICAL.
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:00:00 GMT
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Mr. Jesse, you seem to be missing my point, and I assume, Nancy's point,
too.

Of course, God communicates to us in propositional statements, no argument
whatever.  He created our brains to work a specific way, and communicates
to us in a manner befitting that design.  To say that our being created in
God's image means that we think like He does is, possibly, stretching the
"likeness" terminology.  The Hebrew here is and has been a subject of much
debate.  I'm no Hebrew scholar, but I wish one would speak up here.

We think in, basically, a Von Neuyman style, in series.  We can think so
fast that it may seem like parallel processing, but it is not.  If God is
infinite, He must have the ability to have in His consciousness the actions
of every particle in the universe.  This means He thinks in parallel,
massive parallel.  Now, I have just violated my own rule for I cannot
deduce or induce how God thinks.

Be careful about our English word logic and the Greek word Logos.  Logos
can mean a word that is logical, but it has more meanings than that in
Greek that aren't translated in our word logic.

First and formostly, man can know God through the regenerating work of the
Holy Spirit.  Then, man is able to use divine enhanced or illuminated logic
to understand more about God.  This shoul not be, however, assumed to be a
complete window into God's thinking processes.

Dan Graham
From: tjbenner@COLBY.EDU ((Toni J. Benner))
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Subject: Re: Who to contact (FAQ, anyone?)
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:05:17 GMT
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Dear Scott,

Did anyone send you a reply on your inquiry? I subscribed by mailing to:
LISTSERV@ASUACAD.bitnet, and the message should read, SUBSCRIBE CHRISTIA.
Let me know if this works, or doesn't work, and I will give you another
address.

Yours in Christ,
Toni Benner
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Subject: Re:Yom Kippur
From: bthurman@uncavx.unca.edu
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:10:55 -0500
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Nntp-Posting-User: bthurman

Does not Leviticus 23,26-28 refer to the sacrificial covering of sin on the day
of atonement? Does this not explain the Biblical background of Yom Kippur? 
Could one fulfill even the shadow of true atonement without the shedding of
blood?