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From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and clueless old white boy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Everybody eat s--t and die
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:47:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23476
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and clueless old white boy)
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Let's all just ignore the article titled as above.

If it's not deliberate provocation (as if we need any more of that,
right now) I don't know what it is.

At least it doesn't advocate violence like some of the other
critters that have shown up lately.
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From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Why do minority groups whine?
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:20:34 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <23455@alice.att.com>, jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and
clueless old white boy) writes:
|>From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and clueless old white boy)
|>Subject: Re: Why do minority groups whine?
|>Date: 14 Aug 92 18:07:32 GMT
|>
|>In article <T2b-FA-@engin.umich.edu> kamprath@caen.engin.umich.edu
(Michael F. Kamprath) writes:
|>
|>>Probaly when someone comes up with a solid way of demonstrating to all of
|>>America that the problems of the minorities are really problems for us all.
|>
|>Yes, yes, YES.  The way any "minority" is going to succeed in
|>breaking down prejudice is by convicing the majority that
|>there is an ADVANTAGE to not being prejudiced. Since that's
|>true for almost any minority (I won't include psychopathic
|>axe murderers, for instance), almost anywhere, that SHOULDN'T
|>be hard.

Boy that sounds suspiciously like one of those nonsensical conservative 
economic arguments against affirmative action. "If one company discriminates,
its going to cost X amount more to operate. Then they're going to lose to
the competition. Therefore, in a free market, there cannot be any 
discrimination. And I have the Econometric model to PROVE it." Yeah right.

Look the onus should not be on one group or the other. Its a problem that
faces both groups, but seems to affect us, AAs, much more than whites.
What happens when we complain that we're being treated poorly? We get 
shot down as a bunch of whiners who have nothing better to do than complain.

From your argument, I guess that you agree that people that bring EEOC suits
should have the onus of proving that they were discriminated against.

The onus is on me to Prove that the white man discriminates. Just what he
wants to hear. 

Ron
"I can't pay my Doctor's bill, because Whitey's on the Moon."
-Gil Scott-Heron


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From: buchino@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bert N Uchino)
Subject: Re: ORIENTAL BABES (was Re: Asian Chicks)
Keywords: plunker
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:04:42 GMT

Pretty rough stuff here!
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 23 Aug 92 03:21:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

/* acf3:soc.culture.asian.american / yongwee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yong Wee Dennis Lee) /  8:17 pm  Aug 22, 1992 */
In article <1992Aug22.213106.20324@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

>But what's more funny is what the Chinese-cu idiots are demanding.
					      ^^^^^^
>This is popular among Chinese-cu twits.
				  ^^^^^
I think Mr Joe, being such a prolific and intelligent writer, can understand
that the language he is using serves only to irritate and infume readers.  It
only succeeds in giving readers a negative bias to what he writes, and 
distracts all netters from his main points.  Of course I do not rule out the
possiblity that he main purpose is to irritate and infume readers, rather than
carrying on a purposeful discussion.

>But the gov't of Japan that was responsible for condoning the atrocities
>of WWII no longer exists.  That gov't was removed by the Americans.

The war was fought under the "blessings" of the emperor of Japan.  The 
institution of the imperial family, and all that it represents, still exist
in Japan.  Why shouldn't this very institution apologise for what it has done?

To ask an apology from the "Chinese-ge government of S'pore" for infanticide of
China is ridiculous; it cannot be compared to the demand for an apology from
the imperial family, which still holds the most revered symbol of soveriegnty
of Japan as it did in WWII.  If anything, most Chinese-ge attest to the many
crimes committed by the Communist Party and the KuoMinTang, and of course we
hope that one day, an apology till come from them.  

We are here talking about crimes committed by governments on people.  We are 
not asking our Japanese friends to apologize for misdeeds committed by their
government 40 years ago, nor should you hate Chinese just because of mistakes
made in the ancient times by people remotely related to them.  But the emperor
of Japan should take up the responsibility of showing remorse for his 
government for it is that very symbol under which Japan waged war on Asia.  I
believe that in the long run, this will be good for relations between countries
of Asia.


Dennis Lee Yong Wee
Stanford University
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From: garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >)
Subject: Re: Caucasian Clarification
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:13:11 GMT


In article <4797@dove.nist.gov> hira@cme.nist.gov writes:
!I've posted this before, but feel compelled to do so once again.
!
!I understand that the majority of AA's reading from and posting to SCAA are
!Orientals, but I must OBJECT to you all equating Caucasians with whites.
!
!My folks are from India, and that is in Asia last time I checked. We're
!considered Caucasians, but certainly not considered white; probably one
!reason why our race is classified as Asian and Pacific Islander. I don't
!appreciate being lumped in with whites, particularly in this group. I 
!implore you to refer to whites as whites and not Caucasians.
!
!Thanks again,
!Ron
!Television: The Drug Of A Nation

Ron,

Most Indians from India I know consider themselves asian, unless you are
refering to Native American Indians.

Gary
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From: lchsu@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Leon Hsu)
Subject: Re: Racial Beating
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 14:26:42 GMT

In article <2A9400C8.18590@orion.oac.uci.edu> jdooley@maemaster.eng.uci.edu (John R. Dooley) writes:
>In article <1lf-Fm+@engin.umich.edu> Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> writes:
>>In article <1992Aug20.134459.24076@natinst.com> Osbert Tan, fellow@natinst.com writes:
>>>My question to the net is, how do you deal with this type of situation
>>>(i.e. racial slur), at the same time coming out of it with honor/dinity
>>>(you fill in the appropriate word(s)) intact and ALIVE ?
>>>
>>>-Osbert
>>
>>Why would one need to defend his honor from those type of guys anyways?  
>>
>
>Because if you don't defend yourself, you will lose your self-respect.  
>Because if you don't defend yourself, these people will feel free to 
>do the same thing again and again to you and to others.
>Because if you don't defend yourself, the world believes that you
>will lie quietly whenever you're stepped on.
>
>Osbert's post did not have a lot of details on the murder.  But, from
>the few he gave I think the real question is:
>
>How could he do anything but defend himself?
>


I know this probably sounds a little idealistic, probably because
it is, but how about defending your honour by not stooping to 
violence. You know, turn the other cheek, love your enemy and 
all that. 

Ghandi let a whole nation to independence through a campaign of
non-violent protest.

-leon the peacenik.
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and clueless old white boy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: One white boy
Keywords: World peace, harmony, brothers-in-arms
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:30:23 GMT
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and clueless old white boy)
Distribution: na
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <1992Aug14.004130.19951@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com (Kinder and Gentler Jim) writes:
>I am rather grieved that you, JJ, could not
>see this, especially since an explanation was given by myself and directed
>specifically to you in that very posting. 
I must have missed it.

>In any event, my apologies!  I
>will attempt very hard in the future to resolve even those kind of
>discrepancies.
Well, then, my apologies to you, sir.  I admit that our previous
interactions may have indeed prejudiced my understanding of your
flippant remarks.

>Cheers, and may you all have a very good evening!!
Well, morning, in this case.

>Kinder and Gentler Jim
I'm looking forward to it, as long as it's not George Bush's
"kinder and gentler like me and no one else" version of 1000 points
on heads (err, of lights).

Of course, given your feelings toward President Shrub, I doubt it.
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From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, clueless old white boy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Taxonomy
Date: 16 Aug 92 06:29:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23464
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, clueless old white boy)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <Bszpor.C6B@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> lchsu@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Leon Hsu) writes:
>OK ... I think it is time we all adopt some kind of standard for the
>abreviations and terminology we use. I saw a post earlier today where 
Ok, how about

(for all of us)
	Homo Sapiens (if we want to be formal) 
or
	Human (otherwise)

Do we really have to create even MORE labels?

Now, I will agree that having some abbreviations for who we
all are and are talking about is quite sensible, but I'm a bit
concerned about how far such labels creep into our thinking.

Me?  Just call me COWB.  (that's Clueless Old White Boy)
or, y'know, how about  :-) COWBOY (that's Clueless Old White Boy
Orating and Yelling)


Yeeee Haaaaaa
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From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:31:15 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <23486@alice.att.com>, jj@alice.att.com (jj@alice.att.com) writes:
|>From: jj@alice.att.com (jj@alice.att.com)
|>Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
|>Date: 19 Aug 92 18:17:40 GMT
[Stuff Deleted]

|>Don't blame me for something I'm not responsible for.
|>
|>Don't blame MOST whites for the situation, they're just
|>as much a victim (perhaps not in the absolute sense, but
|>perhaps so, as well) as you are.  If you do, you'll
|>have THEM against YOU, and that's just what the
|>ruling elite wants.   They don't WANT you to understand,
|>and they don't WANT harmony.  It would end their monopoly
|>so fast they wouldn't notice before it happened.

Just one question. When does the inaction by most whites that you describe 
become complicity?


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From: popat@image.mit.edu (Kris Popat)
Subject: Re: "Caucasian" Re: Caucasians don't understand
Organization: MIT Advanced Television Research Program
	<Bt0L97.9EC@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
	<1992Aug21.051254.19876@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:27:36 GMT



> Actually, South Asians are a mix of predominantly two racial stocks,
> the Aryans and the Drividians.  The Drividians are not mongoloid and 
> neither are the Aryans.  The Aryans were a group of people from the
> Caucus mountains.  When an intolerable winter set in, the Aryans split
> up into two tribes, one that went south to form Iran, and the Other
> to form what we now call Germany.  Later on in History, the Persians
> Invaded India and introduced the Aryan gene into the South Asian 
> gene pool.

Apart from the first two sentences, this is a very amusing account.
Did you get it from a low-priced encyclopedia written in the 1920's?

Kris Popat
MIT Rm E15-355   Cambridge, MA  02139
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Caucasians don't understand
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:53:02 GMT
	<1992Aug12.225746.8319@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> <4850@dove.nist.gov>
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science


   hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:

   JESUS CHRIST!

   How many times do I have to whine about you defining Caucasian as White.
   I'm Indian, which is considered caucasoid, but not White.
   Get it straight people!

I find this article rude and repetitive.

What really bothers me, though, is that it seems to imply that people
calling "whites" "caucasians" are somehow misusing well-defined
scientific terms, which would imply the existence of a scientific
theory of race.  As I've argued before, "race" is entirely a social
construct with no objective scientific basis (although the existence
of a scientific theory of race is a widely-believed myth).

Perhaps the author would do better to simply accept that many people
in the U.S. use the word "caucasian" as a synonym for "white".

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu

   
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From: lulu@troi.ucr.edu (david lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Surviving in a White Man's world
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:46:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <3725@randvax.rand.org> edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall) writes:
>
>It's a milk commerical, of all things.  There was an earlier milk commercial
>with an Asian woman (I believe the same actress) as a substitute teacher.

Actually, I'm fairly sure that they are two different actresses.
Personally, I prefer the substitute teacher.  :)

>The nice thing about these commericals is that any race could have been
>cast in these roles without change, and that the situations are so, well,
>American.  ("Honey, get the camera!  Daddy's little girl is walking!")
>
>		-Ed Hall
>		edhall@rand.org

Notice that that didn't show a white mother and an Asian father.
I have yet to see such a pair on TV.  Now, no flames about my
*personal* preferences, please.  See my comments above.

			- David

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >)
Subject: Re: TV news anchors/reporters (Re: Internment camps)
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 09:07:16 GMT


In article <6AUG199216201789@vxcrna.cern.ch> ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP) writes:
!
!Ken Kashiwahara is a ABC field reporter where occasionally his reports show
!up on national news.  He is not a regular like those stationed in the White
!House or the Capitol.  There are one or two other male AA field reporters but
!their names escape me at the moment.  But there are no AA male local-news 
!anchors that I know of.  Anybody know of one?

I always though he did the national news.

Gary
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From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Trippy Posts Here
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:26:31 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

[concerning John Young's comment about hating "Homos"]
dwv@cs.brown.edu (David W. Vorbrich) writes:
>Perhaps you should change your outlook a little.. or at least be more careful in
>what you choose to say.  Let's see... I'm a white guy who's been dating an AAF for
>4 years, and I don't make such socially flamable comments... you're a white guy
>who can't get an AAF date... hmmmmmmm

I just want to comment that you cannot tell a person's ethnicity by
his/her name.  For one thing Young can easily be Asian or Black.  Pogorelich
can be also for that matter.  My son's name is Maxwell Walter Johnson but does
not look European at all and the European part is in the minority in him.
I can't wait for him to go to school and have his teacher meet me
after expecting to see a European looking person.  

A few years ago I
saw a Black man with the family name "Wang."  As far as he knew, only
Mr. Wang (great^5 grandfather) is non-Black of his ancestors since Mr. Wang.

Some people change names after coming to the US.  My family's name was
not "Johnson" originally.
-- 
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XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
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From: hiebeler@think.com (Dave Hiebeler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: One does not a people make (was: Re: Keeping in mind ....)
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:13:50
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In-reply-to: shaw@whopper.lcs.mit.edu's message of Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:48:58 GMT


In article <SHAW.92Aug12104858@whopper.lcs.mit.edu> shaw@whopper.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:

> Your self-esteem was non-existent, and you tried to join an Asian
> group/clique?  Frankly, if I were a member of that group, I wouldn't feel
> too flattered -- people with no self-esteem don't try to shoot for the
> dominant group, they tend to try to hang out with the losers, who they
> think will accept them easier.

  I disagree with this.  Sometimes it may be true, but I've seen
plenty of situations where the opposite behavior was true -- someone
had very low self-esteem, and they would work like a maniac doing
everything much beyond what was asked for (e.g. on projects at school
or work), in order to "prove their value".  By the way, the 2 specific
people that pop to my mind right away as examples are both
Chinese-American.

  A person with low self-esteem may also "flail around" a bit in order
to find something that gives some satisfaction, e.g. learning a new
culture, changing their lifestyle in various ways.  They may seek out
people who seem happy, to try to learn some things from them.

  I think you should not feel so offended if someone with low
self-esteem is interested in joining your group.

--
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From: jlw@gestalt.austin.tx.us (James Waldrop)
Subject: Re: What do E. Hall, M. Kamprath, J. Waldrop, and M. Fester have in common?
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:37:04 GMT

Maybe we all have an extreme dislike of this post of yours?
Nahh, couldn't be.

shaw@whopper.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:
>They (with the exception of Mark) seem to be much enamoured with the
>capabilities of cyberspace, and equate aliases with real names.  i.e.
>"Sure, my bboard handle is the same as a real name: you can send me
>e-mail and it took me 2 whole years to build up my reputation as
>WonderDog, which I treasure with all of my heart".

If Usenet was a bboard, then maybe you'd be correct to be cynical.  As
it is we happen to be 'talking' with a lot of people.  Maybe you are
missing the point.  These aren't really aliases, they're nicknames.
Would you be against someone introducing themselves to you by their
nickname?

Btw, I don't know the history between you and JJ, and I'm not supporting
either one of you in any sort of an extended sense.  I just think you're
being a bit dense when it comes to this nickname business.

>I'll leave the rest of you geniuses figure out the other thing those boys
>have in common.

Are you seriously implying that we are "banding together" because
we're white?

I'm going to be nice, and give you the benefit of a doubt, because if
that were the case I'd have to accuse you of being a moron.
(the crowd gasps).  :-)

>And yes, JJ, you have the right to keep your alias.  Big Bad Andy isn't
>going to tease you anymore.  Keep your little hoody on, and stop crying.
>That's a good boy.

Oh puhleeeez.  Give us a bit of air here.  If you're going to quit
arguing about it at least have the decency to do so without resorting
to "Fox and the Grapes" tactics.

Sulam
-- 
James Waldrop
jlw@hebrew.cc.columbia.edu

I walk along the path muttering about signs and portents.
From: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: One white boy
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:49:13 GMT
Reply-To: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
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In article <23445@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj, clueless old white boy) writes:

>Thanks for admitting that you don't bother to respond to JJ,
>you just show your utter lack of respect for my humanity by
>using any old excuse you can invent to attack me (and, it seems,
>others who DARE to disagree with your highness).
>
>Face it, Pak, every time you cheat at rhetoric, you show more
>and more people your real agenda, and that's demeaning us
>clueless white boys.  I think you use "boy" the same way
>an old southern "gentleman" does, you know.

Whine, whine, whine, when will these self-professed "clueless old white boys"
stop whining? :-)  You seem to be hung up about being dehumanized because of
your race. If you think you've got it bad as a white boy in America, what will 
you EVER do if you dared go to somewhere in Asia where you would be truly
a minority? :-)

Joe Huang  
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