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From: tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar)
Subject: Re: elm2.4, AIX
Organization: Inst.of Theor.Chemistry,Univ.of Vienna,Austria
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:35:50 GMT

haedener@iacrs1.unibe.ch (Konrad Haedener) writes:
: 
: Have you come across lock files yet? Your default lock directory is set
: by Configure to /usr/spool/uucp, which is owned by uucp.uucp, mode 0755; 
: elm is setgid mail, but not setuid root and hence won't put lock files in your
: lock directory (unless you change the protection of /usr/spool/uucp or
: create /usr/spool/locks, which is actually Configure's first choice, but not
: present on a virgin AIX 3.2 system).
   You are right, I haven't come across it before (using only flock). Sorry.
: 
: `TERM=vt220; export TERM' and you will know the difference (that is with
: /etc/termcap in place, of course :-)
  ... no problem, depends on what /etc/termcap you have :-) But anyhow, the
rest of this discussion is a rather philosophical problem, so I would propose
to continue it within an e-mail discussion :-)
: 
: |> but attention - I have already seen AIX systems, where the file /etc/termcap
: |> was missing - in that case, -ltermcap won't work, right. (Even if AIX docu
: |> states something else). All you need in this case is to copy /etc/termcap
: |> from any other machine (needn't be AIX either). Using termcap is, in my
: |> eyes at least, much simpler and transparenter than other terminal control
: |> methods - well, I am biassed in favour of bsd... :-)
: 
: I don't think that access to the terminal information database could be more
: transparent to the elm _user_ than it is now; as a _user_ I don't care what
: elm has been linked against, my criterion is: is my terminal supported or
: is it not. Using -ltermcap, vt220 is not supported (.. by the system-delivered
: version of /etc/termcap; if anybody is interested in duplicating the 
: information in terminfo, feel free). I just find it simpler to link against
: curses :-)

   Yes, right. I was not speaking from the point of view of the *user*, but
a sysmgr and sysprogr. The *user* does not know anything of either curses or
termcap - if anything does not work (ie. if his terminal does not seem to be
supported), he comes to me, the one, who installed the elm.
  But again, we are landing at the philosophical ground, which is surely no
topic here.

  To put it clear once again, I do fully agree with your approach as to what
should be mentioned in the README, and with your configuration philosophy;
this is no flame war :-))

									Tom
From: brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Weird "To: " header sent out, why?
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:52:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: atlastel.1992Oct12.135226.12633
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Disclaimer: Views expressed do not necessarily represent those of my employer.

When I send mail over a network to another machine my To:
header looks like this "To: brians%soup.adc.com@adcmail.atlastele.com"

Anyway, it only does it with elm. 

Got any ideas, anyone, anyone?
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Xref: sparky comp.mail.elm:2727 comp.unix.aix:10546
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Elm2.4 on AIX 370 + PS/2 termcap problem
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:13:01 GMT

GUTEST6@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be (Kris Van Hees) writes:
>Another problem (much more of a problem) has turned up when I was testing
>Elm2.4 on our AIX 1.2.1.  Our TERM env variable is set to hft-c (the correct
>setting for the consoles of the PS/2).  We have a termcap file hft.ti, which
>contains the hft-c entry.  Yet, when I start Elm on the console it complains
>about not being able to find the termcap entry for hft-c.  Weird.
If you build Elm with -ltermlib or -lcurses, then Elm needs a terminfo file
for hft-c, not a termcap entry.  Look to see if there is a terminfo file
for that terminal type.


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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
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From: s897460@otto (Alicia Lee Hsia)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: ELM  Manual
Date: 8 Oct 92 08:40:24 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: otto.bf.rmit.oz.au

Require Information On Where To Obtain ELM Manual From The System
=================================================================

Can anyone tell me if there is a copy of ELM manual in the system.
Some kind of user manual which I can get from the news or via ftp.
Thanks !

==========================================================================
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: tannerrj@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Power = 486 + HST Dual Standard)
Subject: Elm for Esix?
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire - Power Users
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:49:00 GMT
X-Posted-From: cnsvax.uwec.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Has anyone ported elm to Esix (sysv/bsd combo for 386+)? If not
can anyone answer my question as to why elm says all the mail
boxes are corrupt and unreadable, even the the test/test.mail?
Thanks.

Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.unix.aix
From: tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar)
Subject: Re: elm2.4, AIX
Organization: Inst.of Theor.Chemistry,Univ.of Vienna,Austria
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:34:53 GMT

ronald@lowt.phys.tue.nl (Ronald Aarts) writes:
: I'm having a small problem with elm 2.4 on Aix 3.2.1 on a RS/6000.
: I got the sources from ftp.itc.univie.ac.at and the patches from 
: Konrad Haedener.
: I compiled elm with "bsdcc", but the problem is that my "timezone" looks

  I compiled my sources (ftp.itc.univie.ac.at) with the standard cc, not bsdcc;
I do not want to take over any guarantee for all these untraceable defines
and undefines and all these matters in bsdcc... :-)

  Try it, maybe it solves your problem.

								Tom
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: dean@coplex.com (Dean Brooks)
Subject: Will lockf be supported in 2.4?
Organization: Copper Electronics, Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:38:36 GMT

  Just curious...  Will lockf ever be supported in Elm2.4?

  By not supporting lockf, Elm is alienating almost every Sys5 machine
in existance.  Smail3.1 and many other mailers use lockf for mailbox
locking anyway.

  It only took me about 30 minutes of work to add lockf support to
Elm 2.3PL11...  Surely it could be supported in 2.4 as a real locking
scheme.  
  
  Whaddya think?

--
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<><> System Administrator / Postmaster       CompuServe: 70672,2405
<><> Copper Electronics, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.unix.aix
From: cbarkley@alex (The DarkMage)
Subject: Auto-Wrap Column
Organization: Computer Science, Trinity University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:44:32 GMT

I have my (2.4.0) elm editor set to "none" so that it will "emulate
the normal mailer."  This works fine except that it now wraps automatically
when it reaches column x (I haven't bothered to count).  This is a great
feature which I really like, except for one tiny detail:  x is quite a bit
less than 80.  Is there some way I can set what column to wrap at?  I
didn't see anything about it in the .elmrc file.

-- 
Christopher Barkley
The DarkMage
cbarkley@tusol.cs.trinity.edu
Reality is a State of Mind
From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: WordPerfect as elm editor
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:08:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Oct14.200846.15376
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <1992Oct13.194653.23098@midway.uchicago.edu> dsoconne@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Does anyone know if it is possible/feasible to use say WordPerfect
>instead of the "builtin" editor in elm?
>
>I ask this question because I want to get a medium sized group 
>to use elm, but I don't want to think about having to teach some
>20+ people "vi"; they all know WordPerfect however.
>
>Has anyone tried something similar?

The more usual solution to this would be to use pico (part of the mime
package) as the editor.

Pico has the advantage of being small, easy to use, and not being
Word Perfect.  Word Perfect is a bad choice because it started life as
a PC word processor, and carries many of its bad habits into Unix.
Cheif amongst these is a desire to save in .wpformat, which is
definetly not something I would want to try and read on this end.

Adam




Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
at all.  How true that is.      
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: ELM New Mail Question... Pl. Help
Keywords: elm
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:28:37 GMT

sarma@rtsg.mot.com (Raja Sarma) writes:
>	I have noticed that elm does not update the temp mail folder 
>(/tmp/mbox.<username>) periodically (AUTO-RESYNC) unless a "c"hange
>of folders or "$"resync or "Q/q/X/x" were executed.  Eventhough I have 
>read all my mails, the newmail and frm tools still report that I have 
>(X num. of new mail), they also report when requested, incorrect no. 
>of read mail msgs:
Elm has a configurable timeout loop for updating the mailbox. Its not
a resync, but an append (deleted messages are not dropped)

The default value is 5 minutes of inactivity.  Any command before the 5
minutes will reset the timer. In addition, any command also causes elm
to recognize new mail.

The values of this timer is set in elmrc file, (or global elm.rc
file) and can be disabled entirely.
-- 
========================================================================
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: zjr@rz.uni-jena.de (Joachim Richter)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: elm 2-3 PL11 on pseudo-terminals
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:18:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: rz.1992Oct13.151832.5015
Reply-To: zjr@rz.uni-jena.de (Joachim Richter)
Organization: Friedrich-Schiller-University Jena, Germany


Hallo,

I've installed elm 2-3 PL11 on HP9000-832 with HP-UX 7.08.
I have problems when connecting to this machine over pseudo terminal
driver /dev/pty/..... (i.e. over X.29).
In this case pty's echo isn't switched off, and after having mailed
a letter, all input to elm must be finshed by NL, as if raw mode
is no longer valid.
With normal terminal (/dev/tty...) all works fine.

Who has ideas?

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Subject: Re: 2.4 so far
Organization: The College On The Other Side Of Route One
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:22:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.032336.17236@DSI.COM> syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein) writes:
=Summary of what I've seen so far for 2.4:
=
=Ok, here is what I have seen from this news group and my mail
=box so far...

AT&T 6386E/33 running AT&T UNIX System V/386 R3.2.2 with the AT&T ANSI C
Compiler (SCDE 5.0). ELM makes like a dream!!! Absolutely no changes to
what Configure build!!  Wow!!

Thanks, Syd!
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: fprice@hamilton.edu (Frank Price)
Subject: Messages out of order
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:16:10 GMT


We are running Elm 2.3 PL11 under ULTRIX on a DEC 5100; vi is our
default editor. Recently a user reported:

>All of a sudden (and I don't think this has happened before), I find
>that my folders are not adding messages in chronological order...that
>is, a new message appended to my "sent" folder shows up in the middle,
>with messages from a different date. Is there some what to rearrange
>the order of files in a folder?

I told him about the Options menu and sortby, but he had not changed
that. Can anyone think of what might have caused this to happen?  Reply
to me directly by mail and I'll summarize for the group if replies are
of general interest.

Thanksi
==================================================================
= Frank Price,  Assoc. Dir. Academic Computing, Hamilton College =
= 198 College Hill Rd., Clinton, NY 13323     Ph. (315)859-4169  =
= Internet: fprice@hamilton.edu                AppleLink: U0071  =
==================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Elm 2.4pl2 breaks current From_ behavior?
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:24:27 GMT

cos@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Ofer Inbar) writes:

>An unrelated question: I thought if I told configure to have MIME
>support compiled in, I wouldn't need to have metamail.  But I cannot
>read the only two MIME messages that have arrived in my mailboxx using
>elm; it complains that metamail is missing and returns me to the
>index.

You have this exactly backwards.  You should only compile in MIME
support if you have metamail.  The Configure script tells you:

  Elm uses the utilities from Nathaniel Borenstein's metamail package for
  displaying MIME Messages. If you dodn't have metamail installed you
  might want to obtain a copy of it.  The most recent version is on
  thumper.bellcore.com [128.96.41.1], or ask the archie servers for the
  nearest site.

While the second sentence makes it clear that you have to get it
and install it for Elm to use it, those who read only the first
sentence might not get things straight.  Perhaps we should change
the message to "Elm can make use of the utilities . . . "?

Hmm...just noticed a typo in there too.  "dodn't"?
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Elm 2.4 compilation on ESIX 3.2-D (SVR3)
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 19:46:36 GMT

I'm trying to build Elm 2.4 on ESIX 3.2 and get the following:

9 > make
        cd lib; /bin/make -b all
        gcc -fpcc-struct-return  -O -I../hdrs    -c can_access.c
In file included from ../hdrs/defs.h:195, from ../hdrs/headers.h:31, from can_ac
cess.c:27:
/usr/include/memory.h:12: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memc
py'
In file included from ../hdrs/defs.h:388, from ../hdrs/headers.h:31, from can_ac
cess.c:27:
/usr/include/string.h:22: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strl
en'
In file included from can_access.c:28:
/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/i386-svr3/2.1/include/sys/types.h:40: redefinition of `si
ze_t'
/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/i386-svr3/2.1/include/stdlib.h:23: `size_t' previously de
clared here
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.


If I try it using cc instead of Gcc, I get a (different) fatal error,
something about a syntax error in types.h.

Anyone gotten this to work?

Thanks,
Bill

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.mail.sendmail
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: elm and rewriting From (was: Re: elm2.4, AIX)
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 18:02:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.142849.10890@aragorn.unibe.ch> haedener@iacrs1.unibe.ch writes:
>One additional detail: when operating elm 2.4 in my NIS environment,
>not fully qualified local host names were completed by appending a NIS 
>domain name instead of our IP domain name (I guess this is simply what
>getdomainname() returns); a simple solution was to place the correct
>domain name in /usr/local/lib/domain (or whatever you have declared as your
>library directory) from where it is being read at runtime.

IMHO, this is wrong.  It's nice that the domain name is configurable in
a file, but appending the NIS domain name to an unqualified hostname is
wrong, plain and simple.  It should either trust the value of
gethostname() or leave out the hostname all together.  The problem
doesn't have a simple solution, but clearly this is a bad default
behavior.  The NIS domain name has nothing to do with the DNS or mailer
domain.  It should be up to the mailer agent (e.g. sendmail) to do the
proper rewriting of local headers, not the user agent.

Also, is there a way to turn of expansion of turning local addresses
into user@fqdn?  For example, if i get local mail from user "foo",
addressed to "barr", if I reply to it, it gets rewritten as
"To: user@hostname.dom.ain".  All mail in this department is addressed
either as "user" for local mail, or "user@dom.ain" when coming from
outside.  Do I have to lie in the Configure and compile in the hostname?

--Dave
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From: QQ11@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK (Alan Thew)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Fixed: ELM 2.4 - no signatures ; no descriptions in elmrc though.
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:24:36 GMT
 <Bw4Ioq.8EC@unix.amherst.edu> <1992Oct14.190245.532@DSI.COM>
Organization: University of Liverpool

In article <1992Oct14.190245.532@DSI.COM>, syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein) says:
>
>>future?  (And what about the "automatic creation" of .elm/elmrc files
>>I keep hearing about?  That would make my life much easier!)
>They are standard feature now, we just don't create one automatically, what
>needs
>to be beefed up is the doc.
>
An elmrc 'setup' program is not hard to write, we have a template
elmrc and change a few values and do all the creation of the Mail, .elm
directories for new users when they first login. People new to Un*x
don't want their mail program to ask them questions IMHO, so we
do the work before elm is ever run. This is still at 2.3.11 , so we
may change this for 2.4.x

      Alan Thew : Computing Services Department, The University of Liverpool
Internet/Bitnet : qq11@liverpool.ac.uk       UUCP :  ....!mcsun!uknet!liv!qq11
          Voice :  +44 51 794 3735            Fax :  +44 51 794 3759
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Simple problem with printing docs
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:17:28 GMT

sandman@buit52.bu.edu (Dominick M. Galang) writes:
>I hope this is a simple problem anyway.  For Elm-2.3 and now Elm-2.4,
>I have never been able to get a clean copy of doc/Users.guide to the
>printer.  My /bin/troff generates useless output for my postscript
>printer.  Instead, I've tried using both ptroff and psroff.

>I would like to think that I'm a proficient *roff person but I can't
>get this document to print out with clean page breaks.  Instead, it
>seems to act as if there is only one page and on my printers I lose
>pieces of the document when it changes physical pages.

>I don't know what tmac.n is doing if it is the culprit.  Defining a
>page length is no help.  Has someone been able to do this without
>putting '.pb' throughout the document?
Well, I have used the following to format it with no problems:
Elan eroff
SunOS old troff
SVR4 troff
SCO Xenix troff
psroff

and they all seem to work just fine.
-- 
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: sandman@buit52.bu.edu (Dominick M. Galang)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Simple problem with printing docs
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:23:09 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Boston University Information Technology Boston, MA USA

I hope this is a simple problem anyway.  For Elm-2.3 and now Elm-2.4,
I have never been able to get a clean copy of doc/Users.guide to the
printer.  My /bin/troff generates useless output for my postscript
printer.  Instead, I've tried using both ptroff and psroff.

I would like to think that I'm a proficient *roff person but I can't
get this document to print out with clean page breaks.  Instead, it
seems to act as if there is only one page and on my printers I lose
pieces of the document when it changes physical pages.

I don't know what tmac.n is doing if it is the culprit.  Defining a
page length is no help.  Has someone been able to do this without
putting '.pb' throughout the document?

Thanks for the help.

Sandman
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From: ct@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (fac chris tomer)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Problems with aliasing
Date: 16 Oct 92 11:33:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: pitt.16971
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

A week ago, thanks to advice from Syd Weinstein concerning an edit to the
config.sh file, I got Elm 2.4 to run on a DECstation 2100, under Ultrix 2.0. 
My problem now is with the aliasing utilities. Newalias, checkalias, and
listalias execute from the command line, but newalias -g fails, because it
can't find the "systems data file," which I think it is supposed to create,
and none of them work within the framework of the Elm menu. The
application allows you to go through the process of building and
accepting an alias, but the updated file always has zero entries; yet,
when listalias or newalias is run from the command line, it shows multiple
entries.

At first, I thought that all I needed to do was more clearly define the
relevant paths in the config.sh file, but now I'm not so sure. Has anyone
had a similar experience? Does anyone have any cogent advice to offer? (I
have the sneaking suspicion that I'm overlooking something obvious and simple,
but .....)
From: tedcrum@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: "Urgent" Flag
Date: 12 Oct 1992 05:46:37 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

I am using 2.3 under Ultrix. When I receive mail from a certain user
of Pegasus, the message is tagged urgent. When I CAT the folder, I find
the message "Priority:" to be "normal". I think that I have the problem 
with only this sender because other mail I receive has no priority
field. Can anyone help; will I need 2.4?

Thank you very much.

-Ted Crum
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm