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From: root@netmail.austin.ibm.com (Chris Moller)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Some observations.
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:35:23 GMT
Reply-To: moller@netmail.austin.ibm.com
Distribution: tx
Organization: As little as I can get away with.

In article <77754@ut-emx.uucp>, dbinford@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David Binford) writes:
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Now _that's_ a neat .sig.  And if you get tired of the Cleese quote, you could
always stick in, "This space for rent." and maybe make a few bucks...


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From: rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Quayle on Values:  Where he stands and his background
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:45:57 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <21346@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>I sit corrected.  

	It takes guts to even admit as much. My hat's off to ya.



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From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: So Long, and Thanks for all the Fish
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:33:05 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug20.154805.27655@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:

>I'd like to thank Mr. Haugh for this fine example of the typical 'good
>Christian'.  

I love it when these guys do this.  Like Christians are not allowed to 
do something he would do, or that he would not call someone else to the
carpet on RE: their personal beliefs.

>It is folks like Mr. Haugh who make me hope that they are
>right about their beliefs, since any reasonable deity would most
>certainly condemn someone who uses their name as cover for the sort of
>intolerant, abusive, dishonest, and generally hateful behaviour that
>Mr Haugh exemplefies.  

Why would you hope they are right?  Where would that put you, sir?  Please 
note that I'm not claiming any immunity for myself.

>Under his beliefs, of course, I will
>undoubtedly land in Hell due to my lack of acceptance on faith alone.

If you believe Jesus' words, anyway...

>He, however, will land there because of the kind of person he is and
>the way he acts in life.  

No.  You cannot earn salvation as taught by Jesus.

>Undoubtedly, my punishment will be just
>being in Hell; his will be me being the person who gets to stoke his
>personal fires.

Perhaps.  Again, according to he NT, it is God who decides, and not any of 
us (thank God), as we are _all_ fallable.

>Of course, it is also folks like Mr. Haugh who give religion a bad
>name.  Try living by your own teachings for a while, John, instead of
>going by your own lies and distortions about other people in rendering
>judgements about them.  

Not bad advice for anybody.  Most sensible thing I've ever seen you post.
Careful, though, you're beginning to sound rather judgemental yourself.

>Personally, I don't think you can, but it
>might do you some good to make the attempt.  Certainly the person
>you've shown yourself to be here is something I would expect you to
>rail against.  Oh, but then it DOES make such a difference that it's
>YOU, doesn't it?

I think we all fall prey to this at one time, don't you?

>Good luck, John, because barring some change in the way you think
>(which I don't think you are capable of), I'll probably see you there
>(if your religion is right -- if not, of course, all bets are off).

If the NT is right, all bets _are_ off.  


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Xref: sparky tx.politics:4227 alt.politics.clinton:2339
From: allan@cs.cornell.edu (James Allan)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Trade Imbalance
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:06:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp) writes:
>Basically the attribution of the quote is sort of like the attribution 
>of the quote from Lincoln "you can fool all of the people some of the
>time, and you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't
>fool all of the people all of the time". I don't know where to begin looking
>up the souorce of that Lincoln quote, but most folks generally accept 
>that he said it.

    ABRAHAM LINCOLN 1809-1865
	You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the
	people all the time, but you can not fool all the people all
	of the time.

	Attr. words in a speech at Clinton, 8 Sept. 1858. N.W. Stephenson,
	Autobiography of A. Lincoln (1927). Attr. also to Phineas Barnum

I admit: it took me about 3 minutes to find that, but that's only
because I didn't have the book of quotations handy.

>It is a particularly apt quote too considering Clinton's economic
>policy, Gore's environmental rhetoric and all of the other crap
>these two Bozos keep spouting out. "some of the people all of the
>time" Indeed!

Actually, it's particularly apt because it's alleged to have been
spoken AT Clinton.  Heh.

    ADOLF HITLER
	Die breite Masse eines Volkes<einer grossen LuHge leichter zum
	Opfer faHllt als einer kleinen.  [Sorry; the german is messed up]

	The broad mass of a nation will more easily fall victim to a big
	lie than to a small one.
	Mein Kampf, I.x

Couldn't find the alleged Hitler "disarm the people" quotation (which
doesn't say diddly about whether Hitler said it or not), but I thought
the one above was particularly apt in the light of Reaganomics.  (It's
actually a really nice quote since it can cover almost ANY group's
policy.)

>To say that Bill Clinton's alleged successes as Governor of Arkansas
>qualify him to be President of the US is like saying the shoeshine
>stand operator in the airport is qualified to be CEO of IBM.

To say that George Bush's miserable record as President of the United
States qualifies him to be President of the US (again) is like saying
Sadam Hussein is qualified to run the government of Kuwait.
From: rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Men and the Abortion Issue
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:03:01 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <lI2ur*VN0@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>I don't think so.  I suspect that the prime motivation for many men to be
>pro-choice is the idea that women would be more reluctant to have sex if
>abortions were illegal.

	And yours, that sex scares you. Fair?


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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: So Long, and Thanks for all the Fish
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Distribution: tx
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:33:24 GMT

In <21377@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:

>I've been putting this off for several weeks, in part because my wife
>and I had agreed not to tell anyone outside of the family that she is
>pregnant.

>Well, Jeanette is now about 4 months pregnant.

Hey, congratulations.


>In the words of Lou Reed, "It's the beginning of a great adventure."
>I asked God to bless me with children, so I'm going to seize the
>moment and raise me a kid from scratch.  For those of you that have
>never trusted in God for anything, let me just tell you that in all my
>years of asking God for things and counting my blessings, He has never
>steared me wrong or let me down.  

Hmmm, I get this feeling that the small matter of 'sex' had more than
somewhat to do with this, God notwithstanding.

>So, you might think of this as an
>invitation to look at the money in your pocket and heed the simple
>advice - "In God We Trust".

All others pay cash.


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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: So Long, and Thanks for all the Fish
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Distribution: tx
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:05:43 GMT

In <21389@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:

>In article <1992Aug19.142220.8248@novell.com> bboerner@novell.com (Brendan B. Boerner) writes:
>>Amazing, someone congratualates you on your wife being pregnant and you
>>tell him "Fuck you?"  Granted you and Fred go at it quite heatedly but
>>you seem to be taking it a bit personally.

>John Iacoletti (who I name only because we "go at it" quite heatedly as
>well) at least respects the loyal opposition.  Fred doesn't.  A compliment
>from ones enemy is never something to accept gladly.  That is what the
>Battle of Troy and that Trojan Horse thing was all about.

'Enemy'?  Thank you for this fine example of just how people like you
think, John.  Is there anything in the Bible about people condemning
themselves out of their own mouths?

Hey, however you want it, little boy.  I don't consider you an
'enemy', although I find many of your views objectionable and your
execreble behaviour downright childish, but you suit yourself.



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From: john@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: HR 4983
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 16:48:49 GMT
Distribution: tx
Reply-To: johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division, Austin, TX

In article <042vr*0P0@caleb.UUCP>, jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
|> Not necessarily.  Today "life imprisonment" means maybe 7 years.  

"Death penalty" means at least 10 years of appeals.  If you want to
discuss the problems with the judicial system and the parole system,
then I'm all for it.  But you're just rationalizing the killing of a
human being.  "Pro-Life" my ass.

|> Also, you neglect
|> to consider the lives saved because some criminals will be deterred by the death
|> penalty.

Primarily because nobody has ever demonstrated that there IS a
deterrent effect.

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        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
"Now I laugh and make a fortune off the same ones that I tortured, and the
  world screams, 'Kiss me, son of God'" -- TMBG
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Pro-Choice
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:28:32 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <7151@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>1) I'm not pro-abortion. I'd prefer that no woman feels it necessary to have
>an abortion. So long as one woman feels such a choice is the right thing,
>though, I will not stand in the way of that choice.

>2) You are ignoring the definition of "murder": an illegal killing. Either
>capital punishment is murder (and you reject that definition) or abortion
>isn't (and you accept the definition). You CANNOT have it both ways.

Sorry, but I must differ.  This is the LEGAL definition of murder.  Other 
definitions include unnecessary taking of life.

>-- 
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>jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
>  "Anything that an F-4 can outturn is not maneuverable." -- Mary Shafer
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From: hen3ry@cactus.org (Henry Velick)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Lottery
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:40:24 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Only When Necessary

In article <TBkkPB1w164w@keys.lonestar.org> cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller) writes:
>john@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
>
>> In article <2TgFPB3w164w@keys.lonestar.org>, cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org
>> (Chris Winemiller) writes:
>> |> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>> |> > Well, you could try to vote out the Governor and her big spending cohort
>> 
>> This comment is perplexing.  What "big spending" has Ann Richards been
>> responsible for?
>
>She has favored the increased taxation for schooling; she has favored the
>legalized gambling at horsetracks, which I predict will receive greater tax
>subsidies in the future, in the form of decreased taxation of the
>establishments; she has favored a state income tax (spoken through Lt. Gov'r
>Bullock).  Is that enough?

That may be enough taxation. It might not. The question, however, was
about "big spending." I'd be interested (genuinely) in its answer.


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From: cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Lottery
Date: 13 Aug 92 04:26:00 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: None

jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:

> In article <V476oB1w164w@keys.lonestar.org>, Chris Winemiller writes:
> 
> > No (IMO).  Not until we put our collective foot down and say "No Taxes!"
> > until the state gov't quits trying to spend more than it currently takes
> > in.
> 
> Well, you could try to vote out the Governor and her big spending cohorts.

I tried; I lost.

Chris

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From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Pro-choice vs. Pro-Life vs. Anti-Abortion (Re: fetus vs. baby)
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:40:54 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Distribution: tx
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <1992Aug12.171157.10933@cactus.org> rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett) writes:
>Note that it ires me no end to be standing in the same corner as 
>Haughie... :-(

That's OK.  You seem to have forgotten that it is YOU who is partly
responsible for my conversion on the dope smoking issue.  Perhaps
the sense of joy associated with that knowledge combined with the
ire you just expressed will even out to make you have an otherwise
BLAH day ...
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From: hen3ry@cactus.org (Henry Velick)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Republican Candidates
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:31:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Only When Necessary

In article <1992Aug20.175237.1647@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>In <1992Aug19.055853.22320@cactus.org> hen3ry@cactus.org (Henry Velick) writes:
>
>>In article <7138@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug17.192005.1787@technology.com> judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin) writes:
>>>>Since the most compelling quality Bush claims to have is his outstanding
>>>>foreign policy record [...]
>>>
>>>Actually, Bush's most compelling quality to me is that he's the only effective
>>>brake on an amok, Democrat-controlled Congress. Clinton would let Congress
>>>spend this country into oblivion.
>
>>Do you think he'd have spent, what was it, forty, sixty billion
>>dollars to kill tens (hundreds?) of thousands of civilians, to
>>restore a repressive monarchy in Kuwait? That's an awful lot of
>>school lunches and job-training programs.
>
>Well, it is until you watch the price for oil go up 300%-400% because
>of Iraqi pressure on the other states in the region (which they would
>bend to, if Iraq was allowed to become the undisputed strongman in the
>region).  Face it; this was a good call on George Bush's part.  I just
>wish he'd quit with the moralizing about motives.

I beg to differ. If it had been a good call, Saddam Hussein would not
be again approaching the position he was in two years ago. Also, the
call itself, good or bad, was made necessary mostly because the U.S.
government armed Iraq to the teeth. Swell, welfare for the arms
manufacturers. They rake in the profits, the taxpayers pay the bills.

>I also think we'd have a tough time getting the Germans, Japanese,
>etc., to reimburse us for funds spent on school lunches and
>job-training programs.

No need to. We'd have actually benefitted from it.

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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: The NAACP (was: Re: HR 4983)
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Distribution: tx
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:12:59 GMT

In <21369@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:


>This is part of how the NAACP works.  Find something that you think
>is racism.  Remove it.  Go back and notice that there is still
>something you call racism.  Remove it.  Continue doing this until you
>have attacked every noticible piece of racism.  Get out the microscope
>and keep looking.

But society is not a painting, and racism is racism.  Why do you
object to its elimination?

>The other part of how the NAACP works is like this.  Find some
>difference and attribute it to racism.  Invent a program that is
>supposed to fix this difference.  When the program creates additional
>racial tension or further imbalance, blame that on racism and create a
>new program to fix the problems the first program caused.  Continuing
>doing this until you have proven that everything the whites do to
>blacks is racist.

Evidence of this?  This is the part of your claim that I disagree
with. 

>Some of us have worked with blacks.  Some of us will wake up tomorrow
>morning, throw the power tools into the trunk of the motorcycle,
>drive to an all-black neighborhood and fix a broken down house.  Some
>of YOU will post to USENET and pretend to know what black culture is
>all about.

And there you have The Haugh's Hit Universe; divided into 'us' and
'you', with Haugh as the net.ghod deciding who fits into which group.
John, please tell me just which of us who are "post[ing] to USENET and
pretend[ing] to know what black culture is all about" ARE black and
just how you know.  Do the letters on your screen come out a different
color, or what?

>Those who can, do.  Those who can't, write.

Spoken by someone who seems to write a lot.  Think about it.


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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: So Long, and Thanks for all the Fish
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:26:35 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <21384@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:

>In article <1992Aug17.153324.9399@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>In <21377@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>>>Well, Jeanette is now about 4 months pregnant.
>>
>>Hey, congratulations.

>Fuck you.

Now what the hell was THAT for?


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