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From: Jayson_J._Rackerby@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:37:01 PST
Subject: Re: Buy a New Mac (vx or ci)?

I have been borrowing a IIci for about 6 months while my Father has been
travelling.  Soon I must return his machine to him and get my own so I too
have been looking at Macs and wondering which is the best buy for me.

My conculsion is buy the IIci through your university because 1) in the real
world the ci is a faster machine than the vx   2) the ci at SFSU is about
$500.00 less then the vx  3) the ci can run any version of Apple's system
software (the vx must use 7.1!)

If you need a good (and cheap) CD-ROM player, 32,000 colors and a machine that will run System 7  better than any other, get the vx.  The Performa 600 is also a consideration if you don't mind the speed
of an si.

Do some research and buy the monitor and keyboard through mail-order.  The
prices will be lower and you won't be stuck with paying sales tax if the frim
is out of state.

good luck/happy hunting.

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From: florianb@chip.tek.com (4516)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: 30 MHz IIsi ?!
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:04:32 GMT
Reply-To: florianb@chip.tek.com ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

I just installed a 59.4 MHz crystal in my IIsi, using a socket. There
is a noticeable difference in speed between this crystal and the 50 MHz.

I tried running several programs including MathCAD, which was
delightfully faster, performing nearly as well as on my IIfx. Other
programs ran without difficulty.

Using Speedometer 3.1, I got one "Application unexpectedly quit" when
doing the 8-bit color test. I ran it several times again and it did
not quit.

I will continue to use the 59.4 MHz Xtal and post a note if I find
any other hiccups.

More later.

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From: stevenp@mummy.agsm.unsw.OZ.AU (Steven Phelan)
Subject: Re: Don't Try This At Home Kiddies...
Organization: Australian Graduate School of Management
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:19:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct29.020010.12070@bilby.cs.uwa.edu.au> Quinn <quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au> writes:
>I found this in an (Australian) Apple News (Spring 1992) pamphlet.  It
>answers the question "Exactly how tough are the PowerBooks?" Seeing as
>they're a propaganda rag I'm sure they won't mind me copying it wholesale
>without permission...
>
>>Backed-Over PowerBook Back At Work
>>
>>When it comes to the crunch, the PowerBook is a tough computer.  Our
>>marketing department reports the story of a PowerBook owner whoes child
>>placed the computer under the back wheel of his car (the things kids
>do!).
>>
>>Later the hapless owner reversed the card and heard strange crunching
>>noises from the rear end.  There lay the PowerBook, much the worse for
>wear
>>with a smashed case and exposed boards.  But upon examination it was
>found
>>that the crushed computer still functioned perfectly, provided the
>battery
>>was held on to the board contacts.
>>
>>Despite its run-in with the back wheel, the screen was undamaged, as was
>>the hard disk.  THe relieved owner took the PowerBook along to an Apple
>>Reseller, had the case replaced and now everything, happily, is back to
>>normal.
>
>The nice thing about tall stories like this is that it doesn't really
>matter whether they're true (-: or even gross exaggerations.  At least
>someone, somewhere has been having some luck.
>
As a close friend of the unfortunate Powerbook owner described above I can
fully vouch for the accuracy of the case described in Apple News.  Of course
words cannot describe the mental state of my friend moments after the accident
or the exhilaration of having his 2 week old PB170 returned to him in complete
working order.

PS. Anybody wanna buy a PB170? (Cheap)
. 
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From: zkessin@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Zach, the Lego Maniac)
Subject: Re: 68040 Powerbooks/Duos: When?
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:36:42 GMT

kellys@orac.holonet.net (Kelly Schwarzhoff) writes:

>Does anyone know if Apple is going to come out with a 68040 Powerbook or Duo
>and if so, when?

Not too soon, last I heard the 040 chip uses more power than a PB 140.
(I am not 100% shure on that) but it will be when moterlola relases a
version that uses MUCH less power.


Zach
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Grayscale ghosts on my new PB160 screen???
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:53:24 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

rkay@ausom.oz.au (Richard Kay) writes:

>Hey, you're right! I never really paid much attention until you
>mentioned it Blaine but setting my display to black and white and then
>back to 16 grey scale really hammers your point home -- at least with
>my display.(PB160 4/120)

>I think I can learn to live with it though because I do like the
>"depth" that grey scale brings to the screen environment. Does anyone
>know if the PowerBook 180 screen behaves this way or does active matrix
>technology overcome the problem?

    There is no ghosting problem with active matrix screens, that is why
they cost so damn much compared to the standard super twist screens on
the 145/160 and the Duos. Although according to MacTheKnife, next fall
should hail the introduction of not only an active matrix Duo, but also
a color powerbook(no word on super twist vs. active matrix though).

--
-Brian V. Hughes
	"You're built too low! The fast ones go right over your head."
					   --Foghorn Leghorn
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From: crawford@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (James E Crawford)
Subject: Re: PowerBook 180 RAM Same as 170???
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:55:50 GMT

According to Apple, you have to be very careful in using current 3rd party
SIMM cards in the PowerBook 160 and 180. The reason is that most developers
apparently did not follow the design specs as closely as they should have,
taking advantage of the extra space in the 140/170 case. The problem is,
this space does not exist in the 160/180, and some SIMMS have a heat sink
which conflicts with part of the computer. Whatever you do, DON'T REMOVE
THE HEAT SINK. This sometimes leads to the "smoking computer" syndrome.
Check with the manufacturer to see if the SIMMS are usable in a 160/180
before buying them.

Jim Crawford
From: hm002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (hasit mehta)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Apple "down-graded" their mouse!
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:42:48 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <louislam.721806838@vincent2.iastate.edu> louislam@iastate.edu (Louis C Lam) writes:
>I have seen three different kind of ADP mouses already. The first one has
>a big, gray, and heavy mouse ball and the mouse is made in USA.  The second
>kind also has the same ball, but the mouse is made in Malaysia.  The third
>kind has a black, smaller, and lighter ball, and the mose is made in Taiwan.
>
>I personally prefer the first or second kind because of its heavier weight.
>I feel more comfortable with it than the lighter mouse. This is purely MY
>preference, so please don't argue with me.
>
>I'm having a problem with my ADP Mouse recently. The button feels like 
>something is blocking its way and it doesn't feel smooth (anyone know
>what's causing this?)
>
>This is actually my second mouse (the first one had the same problem and the
>Apple dealer gladly replaced mine).  The problem appeared in less that one
>month after I bought my ci and the second mouse "lasts" for 7 months. 
>
>I should mention that my 1st and 2nd mouses are the second kind (big, gray
>ball, Malaysia). Last Friday, I brought my mouse to my dealer and they once 
>again, gladly (I mean it) replaced it for me.  But, they gave me the third 
>kind. I asked for the second kind and they said Apple has been switching from
>the heavier mouses to the lighter mouses and they showed me a vx, which has the
>lighter mouse. 
>
>I refused the lighter mouse and they said they will try to find one for me on
>Monday (the technican had gone).
>
>So, can anyone tell me why Apple is changing the mouse, and anyone know what
>is the problem with my mouse?
>
>
>Louis
I have no idea why they are doing this. For your own information I have a
super old Mac SE and it came with the heavy ball while my pretty old SE/30
came with the light black ball. It seems like Apple can not make up their
mind? Anyways my 2 cents, I like the black ball better it moves easier and
the rollers on the inside do not get as dirty as the heavy ball mice.
From: intolabb@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steven Intolubbe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Apple's ethernet bd and AROSE
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:33:28 GMT
Reply-To: intolabb@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steven Intolubbe)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


    I was wondering if Apple's ethernet board is just for ethernet
or is it more of a generic I/O board to which you connect external
I/O modules and write drivers in AROSE so the board can deliver
the incoming information to the Mac?  If it is generic, where can
I get information on the board and writing code in AROSE?

				       Thanks,
				       Steve
From: w.l.vaughn@LaRC.NASA.GOV (Wallace L. Vaughn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Need info on Mac 512
Date: 18 Nov 1992 20:28:16 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: w.l.vaughn@LaRC.NASA.GOV (Wallace L. Vaughn)
NNTP-Posting-Host: b1205amac8.larc.nasa.gov

 
Joseph Geniec in "Need info on Mac 512" writes
	>"I have a friend who wants to buy a Mac 512, which I assume is
>one of the first (if not THE first) mac to ever be released. Some things
>I'd like to know:"

The Mac 128K was first.

>a) What is the memory expandable to?

The memory is not expandable unless a MacPlus or equivalent upgrade is 
purchased. If it's a 512KE, the upgrades are resonable avaiable and can be 
expanded to 4 meg memory and a SCSI port, if it's a 512K, I belive you also 
need a ROM chip upgrade which may be harder to find, and the 800K drive up 
grade is also usefull.

>b) Is it the same processor as the Mac plus? (the same speed, too?)
  > Can the motherboard be upgraded? How much will it cost?

It has the same processor as the Plus, (about the same speed, assuming there 
isn't a problem with the limited memory) with the addition of the chips to 
handle the 800K drive and the SCSI port, and expanded memory. 
Apple may still carry the plus upgrade which includes the new motherboard, 
rear case, 800K drive, 1 meg RAM and new ROM, you would still need to add RAM 
to get 4 meg of memory, I got one in 86/87? I resently upgraded a 512KE to a 
Plus with 4 meg of RAM using a third party clip on board, for about $300

>c) Is it system 7 compatible?

The 512 doesn't have enough memory to run System 7, you need to go back to at 
least system 5, and older versions of most of the Apps, Word 1.0 etc., With a 
plus upgrade it should be Sys 7 compatible, but you whould want 4 meg of RAM.

The cost of upgrades from a 512KE is just barely economical, from a 512K it 
probably wouldn't be worth it. A new Classic II 4/40 is only a little over 
$1000, a plus upgrade with 4 meg of RAM, external 40 meg hard drive, is at 
least $650, plus the cost of the 512K, the classic II is twice as fast 
supports color, virtual memory, superdrive floppy, has a warrenty and doesn't 
have the 512K's marginal power supply.

On the other hand if you can live with old versions of the applications, its 
not a bad computer, It's still good for light WP, and graphics, page layout 
with RSG 1.0 etc, and as a remote terminal.

Just my $0.02 

Wally Vaughn
Standard disclamers apply, these are my opinions not NASA's


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From: derosa@rtsg.mot.com (John DeRosa)
Subject: LaserWriter to Modem Port???
Summary: can a laserwriter be connected to the modem port?
Reply-To: motcid!derosa@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:31:24 GMT

Is there a way to connect an Apple LaserWriter (postscript 
version) to a Macintosh's modem port?  I want to be able to 
have a Macintosh that is on the network (and uses its Printer
port for that purpose) and to have a locally connected LaserWriter.
Thus this printer will be a private printer.

This is for an Exec of our company that wants his own printer
but still wants to be on the network.

The Personal LaserWriter LS can be directly connected to the
modem port but does not support PostScript.

I guess the bottom line problem is that the LaserWriter 
extension (chooser resource/driver) assumes that it should
use AppleTalk either out the Localtalk/printer port or 
via some other networking scheme line EtherTalk.

Thanks, John
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From: zz1bb@impending.ucsd.edu (Barry Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: 68020->68030 swap?
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:15:28 GMT
Distribution: usa

A recent thread in comp.sys.m68k has talked about "upgrading" Sun 3 computers
by merely swapping the 020 for an 030 and the 881 for an 882.  The chips are
pin- and cycle-compatible, they say.  Can the same be done for a Mac?  Can
the performance of my aging Mac II be marginally improved by swapping a
68030 for the 68020?

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From: rseymour@reed.edu (Robert Seymour)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: 68040 speedup?  25MHz -> 33MHz
Keywords: quadra, cache, speedup
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:19:08 GMT
Reply-To: rseymour@reed.edu
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <7038@news.duke.edu> cchung@sneezy.phy.duke.edu (Charles Chung)  
writes:
> With all these IIsi people changing from 20 -> 25 MHz, I've been  
> wondering about the Q700.  There used to be a product from Newer  
> Technologies that would speed the 25MHz 68040 to 33MHz.  A heat sink  
> was provided and you could adjust the speed from the control panel.
> 
> Does anyone know of this product?  Does anyone know if it's safe?
> 
> One more thing, I think Daystar puts out a 128K cache out for the  
> quadras.  However, I understand that Motorola estimates 93% hit rate  
> for the 2 4K caches on the 040.  Has anyone used this product?  Does  
> it speed up anything at all?  How accurate are Motorola's estimates?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> -Chuck
> 
> BTW, is anyone else thinking that the bandwidth on the mac.hardware  
> board is getting to large?

	A 128K cache card can increase the Quadra's speed from 15-40% from what  
I see in publication, though I'm a little skeptical on it being that high  
(maybe 5-25%). I doubt Moto's hit rate is that high, but even if this is the  
case, a cache card can be useful. If you have a long string of instruction or  
data which is repeated, it can fit in a 128K or 256K cache while a 4K internal  
will only hit on the first part of the string. I suspect that you can overdrive  
a 040 to 33MHz, but I would not suggest doing so. First, do not do this in  
warranty. Second, you can cause all kinds of havoc on your board if you are not  
careful, so approach this type of procedure with caution. I haven't heard of  
Newer Technologies product.

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From: hvs@ee.upenn.edu (H.V. Sorensen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: DEC SCSI-2 disks from Saturae?
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:20:28 GMT
Reply-To: hvs@ee.upenn.edu (H.V. Sorensen)
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <HARDIN.92Nov17180506@dino.mcc.com>, hardin@dino.mcc.com
(John Hardin) writes:

|>
|>2. Does anybody have any experience (good or bad) with Saturae?
|>
|>

Yes, and I am sorry to say it is not good. I TRIED  to purchase a
tapedrive from the for about two month. I call  on a regular basis and
every time there was
another problem that was holding up the process.

I ended up cancelling the order after 2 1/2 month and purchased another
one that was delivered promptly.
                    
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From: mzajac@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Stephen Zajac)
Subject: sell 170 for duo or buy add-ons?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:11:09 GMT

I am currently debating whether to sell my Powerbook 170 and buy a Duo 230,
or to gradually upgrade the 170 with a video card, RAM, 120 Mb HD,
powerport gold modem, etc.

I've been half-heartedly been trying to find a buyer for a few months and had
some nibbles, but no real luck.  Right now my biggest factor to consider is
cost:  the PB170 has depreciated a fair bit and will continue to do so.
The Duo is reletively cheap for the capabilities it has, and is much more
open-ended in terms of expansion capabilities.

Does anyone have any comments?

-- 
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University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, MB R3T 2N2
phone:  (204) 474 6449
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: fhoward@hqsun7.us.oracle.com (Forrest Howard)
Subject: Is applecare a good deal on PB-100/140/170?
Organization: Oracle Corp
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:27:37 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

My PB-170 is approaching its first birthday, and I'm wondering if 
anybody has an oppinion on the value of apple care for the beast.
I know that apple care won't cover many things (like droping and/
or broken screens), but is there anything about the PB technology
that suggests I should let apple take the risk instead of 
"self-insuring".

Also is it possible to get apple care that covers covers everything
EXCEPT the modem, ram, and hard disk; if any of these guys croaked I'd
want to upgrade them.

Thanks, forrest


-- 
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Oracle Corporation
500 Oracle Parkway
Box 65414
Redwood Shores, CA 94065
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: ctso@wam.umd.edu (CT Shock)
Subject: Networks/printers
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:31:57 GMT




I realize that this subject has been mentioned before, but I can't find
the response, so I'll try to keep it short.

I have a Quadra 700 and IIci running 7.0.1 (w/ tuneup, A/ROSE etc...).
Both are connected to Ethernet. The Quadra through the built in, the IIci
through an Asante card. There is also a Personal Laserwriter NT. Due to
idiocy beyond my control, the networked macs are using Ethertalk 1.2. Both
also have MacTCP.

Before the Macs were connected to Ethernet, both were connected to the 
printer through localtalk, and everything was fine. Now they are connected
through Ethertalk (as mentioned earlier). When I connect the printer to
either machine through localtalk and choose localtalk in the Network
control panel, the printer appears and can be selected in the Chooser.
When I try to print, I get the message 'Printer not found'. Doesn't
matter if printing is direct or spooled. Both machines also have ARA
installed.

To make life more interesting, the way I print now is: (please don't giggle)
Connect a PB170 to the Quadra/IIci and the printer through localtalk.
Select localtalk on the Quadra/IIci, xfer the file to the PB170 and print
from the powerbook. I understand that there is some conflict in the
Quadra/IIci and some fix available. Any suggestions?

	-Todd


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From: sadasiva@utkvx3.utk.edu (Sadasivam, Krishna Madur)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Centris machines vs.IIvx
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:54:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: utkux1.1992Nov16.005430.1667
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center

I guess that about sums it. Should I really go ahead and wait until the Centris
machines debut (sometime Feb.) or purchase the //vx? Is there any more info on
the Centris machines besides the info I've already gotten on it?

E-mail only, please!

Krish
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Distribution: world
From: Douglas_J._Kiang@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:27:50 EST
Subject: Re: How long should I charge my PB batter?

| When I charge my Powerbook Battery by hooking up the AC
| adapter to my PB, should I disconnect the AC adapter
| when the chooser's Battery shows that the batter is charged?
| Can I safely leave the AC adapter hooked to the PB so 
| I can use the batter for later?  Help, I do not want to tear
| any thing up.

| Danny
 
<<It is in the "Macintosh User's Manual for the PowerBook computers"
in the Chapter "Recharging the battery" starting on page 95.
--


Arie.>>

Unbelievable. Why don't you just tell him the answer or tell him you don't
know?
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Subject: Re: Is 14" a 13" ???
From: nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello)
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:16:06 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.hardware


  Apple has been selling there 13" monitor for years, and calling it
13" because that's the viewable portion of the screen, but everyone
else has been selling the same size tube, and calling it 14" 'cause
thats the size of the whole picture tube.  
  When apple introduced their new monitor, same size as the old one
but lighter, brigher, and generally a better design, they decided to
fall in line with the rest of the PR conscious world and start calling
it 14".  In short, you got the " 14" " monitor, it just happens to
be the same size as the 13"... :)

                                       -- Nick



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