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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:47:00 +0200
From:         TOMY_ACE@EGAUCACS.BITNET
Subject:      Bosnia & The New World Order !!!

I just couldn't help not raising this subject.

What do everybody think about the so called "New World Order" when everyday
the media give us more news about the tragedies in Bosnia?

This is not a war in Bosnia , it is genocide and first degree murder of a
country and its culture. I think that the situation requires multinational
forces to intervene (by force) immediately . I was appalled when I read an
article in this week Newsweek about the Serb war crimes and planned raping
of Bosnian and Croatian women. In the article it was mentioned that there
were between 30000 and 50000 women (and young girls) raped. Also in the
Intl. Herald Tribune about 10 days ago there was on the front page the picture
of a Serbian fighter (i.e. murderer , raper ,etc....) who confessed to killing
more than 23 civilians and raping about a dozen women (slaying some after the
process). Isn't it sick ? . I wonder what is the world coming to when we just
watch what is happening from the comfort of our living rooms and the UN is just
discussing what is happening while the Bosnians are being annihilated.
Well the New World Order doen't look appealing to me.

Are we going back to the laws of the jungle ??!!!

Hatem <TOMY_ACE@EGAUCACS>
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:40:18 GMT
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In a previous article, AHMED@UDAVXB.OCA.UDAYTON.EDU () says:

>Ruth,
>
>Thanks..... It was a very good answer to my question....
>
You're welcome; I tried.  All those years of Sunday School must have
rubbed off.:-)

-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
			- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
	      Where anything can happen, and it usually does
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:17:00 CDT
From:         PALMERI@OSHKOSHW.BITNET
Subject:      RE:Bosnia and the New World Order

I believe Bush stopped using "New World Order" when it
was pointed out to his speech writing team that Hitler
had spent much time talking about the "New Order."

The reluctance to intervene in Bosnia shouldn't come as
too much of a surprise, since putting an end to murder and
rape are not compelling "national interests."  It's kind of
like Tiananmen Square in that sense.  The best thing the
Bosnians could do right now is hire the public relations firm
of Hill and Knowlton to concoct a story that oil has been
discovered in Sarajevo.

--Tony

Tony Palmeri - Communication Department, Univ. Wis. at Oshkosh
palmeri@oshkoshw
palmeri@oshkosh.wisc.edu
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Date:         Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:08:00 EST
From:         PDAVIS@LIUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Bosnia & The New World Order !!!

You might want to reconsider what you call order.  In fact the tone of your
remarks, (i.e. violence internal to a specific ethic community) borders on
racist sentiments.  Are you a racist?  If you call that sort of violence
(which is in part, people systematically excluded from the mainstream
racist economic order fighting for a few crumbs at the bottom of
the socio economic pile) ORDER, I think that you need to reconsider what you
call ORDER.  You order has racist overtones to it.

Please explain

Phil
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 09:40:34 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: RE:the environmental problem

Chelgoi,

Capitalism and self sacrifice are incompatible.....We will never make the
lifestyle changes but we can atleast be glad that American people insist
that they be shielded from tragedies around the world...for when they
become so tragic and beyond hiding, the bandaids come rolling in.....

zahir
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:12:56 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Bosnia & The New World Order !!!

The New World Order simply means we (Amerika) are the master's or
the government of the world........

and like in the U.S., it really does not matter if in the Black
neighborhoods of most towns has high murder or rape rates......  There are p

Every city and every state has its bad parts of town with lots of
murders and rapes in the U.S......  So will it be in the new
world order......  Sometimes, as in the case of Somalia, the news gets
bad enough (Black people are a political constituency in the U.S.) and
we do some token things, unfortunately noone here gives a damn about
muslims.....they are not an organized political constituency..though
efforts are being made to organize....

Belive me its probably safer to walk in most parts of Bosnia than it is
in some parts of Washington D.C.....

zahir
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:47:29 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Bosnia & The New World Order !!!

Phil,

I do not know if you were addressing me....regarding ORDER..... If you
were, I was merely pointing out what ORDER is in the U.S. and in
the world....

In the U.S., ORDER is present if crime remains within the black communities
and does not effect those in power...be it their businesses or their
neighbourhoods....violence in poor black neighbourhoods, hold ups of
Mom and Pop convenience stores, murders in alleys is alright.... There is
no problem if 40 - 50% of prison population is minority when the state's
minority population is 10%.....  ORDER is not quite present if it comes
into the white population's living room via TV AND BOTHERS THEM....

Since the U.S. is NOW the world's police, the same regulations go...they
will intercede when it disrupts their power or resource needs...or when
things get SOOOOOOO bad that the good folks are subjected to it on their
TV....(Somalia)....

Its not my definition of order....its what one man thinks is the
definition of order in this country and this world.....

zahir
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 07:50:04 -0500
From:         Bill Reed <BILLREED@BROCK1P.BITNET>
Subject:      Assertiveness Ideas

I have been asked to teach an "Assertive Training Course" for
an adult/Continuing education group (non-credit, 8 class
meetings of 2 and 1/2 hours per night).  This will be a
rather basic kind of "utilitarian" course filled with
exercises and helpful hints. Over the period of the eight
weeks I would like to try different and unusual exercises.
Have any of you had specific exercises that you found useful
with adults that you would be willing to share?(there will be
about 12-15 in the class).  I am looking for some things that
would hold the interest of the non-traditional student in a
continuing education/non credit setting.

If any of you have had similar experiences and/or suggestions
I would love to hear from you.

Thanks,

Bill Reed
BILLREED@BROCK1P
SUNY College at Brockport
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:30:34 EST
From:         Jim Jones <JIMJ@JHUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      LISTSERV support for mail "digests"

 I've just installed a new, pre-release enhancement to LISTSERV that lets
 anyone on a mailing list receive list mail in "digest format".  That is,
 if a list is configured to support the idea, you can either receive each
 piece of mail as it is distributed, or you can receive the postings in
 "bundles".  The list owner decides on a list-wide basis how often the
 bundles are sent out, but the choice to receive mail immediately or
 digested is made by the each subscriber.  By default, LISTSERV accumulates
 all the postings sent to a list into "daily digests" and mails them to
 list participants that requested digest distribution.  All the mailing
 lists on JHUVM that support digest format are "daily" with the exception
 of the PVM-L and PFUG-L lists.  Those two lists will send out weekly
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 you receive this note and would like to test the new facility, simply
 send mail to LISTSERV@JHUVM (or LISTSERV@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU) with the
 command,   SET list-name DIGEST    in the body of the mail message.  And
 should you change your mind,   SET list-name MAIL   will restore your
 subscription to normal mail delivery.  Just replace "list-name" with
 the name of the list you are subscribed to.  Since the setting is on
 a per list-subscription basis, if you receive mail from multiple lists
 you'll have to send a "set list digest" for each one.

 If you are on Bitnet you can also send those commands via interactive
 message (CMS tell, VMS/JNET send, UNIX/UREP netwrite) if you prefer.
 For those of you whose mail systems don't place the proper e-mail
 address in the From: header lines, you'll have to contact me to have
 the option turned on manually.  But please do try yourself first as
 there are a lot of lists on JHUVM. :)

 Finally, since this is a new feature, I would be most interested in
 in hearing from anyone that has trouble with the new digest support.
 Should you run into problems, please contact me.  I can be reached
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 to <postmaster@jhuvm> (alternatively <postmaster@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu>).

 -jj

 PS - Subscribers of the VFORT-L mailing list served by the European
 LISTEARN peer cannot take advantage of the digest option, since that
 server isn't running code that supports digested delivery.  If you
 fall into that catagory and would like to receive mail in digest format,
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From:         WERLING <awerling@NMSU.EDU>
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will somebody please advise me, in private email, how I can unsubscribe
from the Cyber list? thanks!

Andrew Werling on Planet Yip  awerling@nmsu.edu  yip@acca.nmsu.edu
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        uncertainty: not knowing what comes next."
                --Faxe, in THE LEFT HAND OF DARKNESS, by Ursula K. Le Guin
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From: pdt@UNET.UMN.EDU (Paul D. Tranby)
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Date: 7 Jan 93 03:08:01 GMT
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              Jan 6, 93 5:15 pm

>
> Sorry if anyone views this messgae as wasted bandwidth.
>
> I'm looking for a way to send email to a person inside of
> CDC's Ceridian (spelled correctly?) organization.
>
> Is there a CDC gateway I can email to or can someone tell me the
> address of the CDC postmaster?

Hmm, not sure but try postmaster@cdev.com.

PT
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From:         "Paul Robinson, Contractor" <FZC@CU.NIH.GOV>
Subject:      Getting an Internet Domain
Comments: To: ibm-main@ricevm1.rice.edu

Sri Chalasani, with no Internet address listed, stated
in the IBM Mainframe forum, a request on what to do
to become "connected" to the Internet.

Your statement doesn't exactly say what you want.  Do
you simply want an internet account, do you want a
direct mail connection into your LAN, or do you want
a domain name?

To get an internet account, there in Michigan you have
some options; you can try one of the service providers
or use one of the national providers such as MCI Mail
and AT&T Mail.  (I have both myself.)

If you want to connect your LAN so that you can send
and receive Internet mail, one issue is how much mail
you will generate.  If most of your mail is incoming,
you might just want an EMS account on MCI mail, which
is $100 a year with no charge for incoming traffic.
Outgoing traffic is charged at the standard rate which
is 50c for the first 500 characters of a message, and
10c for each additional 1K up to 10K, then 5c/K.

If you want a full domain name, you have several
options.  One is to pay a provider of internet service
to connect you.  UUNET Technologies of Falls Church,
Virginia.  The rate from them is $30 a month for the
connection plus $3 per hour of time connected for
sending and receiving messages, and you can use 9600
baud.  This is plus any long-distance connection rate.

If you intend to do HUGE volumes of traffic, you can
try finding a current internet site who will allow
you to hook up to them.  One quote I got from SURA
NET from the U. of Maryland gave a 56KB internet line
with a router and a full internet connection, and the
price was $8,000 a month.  This would give a site
complete connection including FTP either to or from
the site.

MCI will give you a connection in the form of
anything_you_want%company_name@MCIMAIL.COM.  UUNET
or using an internet connector will give you a
domain.  There is also another company - whose
name I can't think of - that's offering a mail only
internet domain for $75 plus $25 a month for unlimited
mail.  (UUNET will also give you access to news groups).

Anyone wanting to discuss this further should send a
private message to me at

    TDARCOS@MCIMAIL.COM   or  TDARCOS@ATTMAIL.COM

---
Paul Robinson
TDARCOS@MCIMAIL.COM
These (uninformed) opinions are my responsibility alone;
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From:         David E Boyes <dboyes@IS.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Routine to return jobname
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              93 11:56 am

> >  Question: Does anyone have an assembly routine callable from COBOL that
> >            will return the jobnumber,jobname, and stepname of the job
> >            while it is executing?  Is there an easier way to obtain this
> >            information? Thanks in advance!

I remember seeing an article in Technical Support last year on
doing things like this directly in COBOL II. The author of the
article was seriously maintaining that this was a Good Thing.

Check the back issues if you still have them; I'll see if I can
dig it up.
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:21:24 EST
From:         Gary Buhrmaster <TJF@CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU>

JES2 4.2 tends to only use the extended OUTPUT JCL information to build
its header pages.  That information is passed in the output processing
section of the NJE headers.  You could make a mod to RSCS or JES to
move the 8 character NJE DEPT and BUILDING information to an output
processing section, or change the JES2 to use the basic (8 character)
fields.  The sample exit 1 supplied with JES2 (in SAMPLIB) could
probably be modified to do what you want.  Some keywords (such as ROOM)
are extracted from the JCT if the extended information is not provided,
but DEPT or BUILDING are not specially handled.

The real culprit here, in my opinion, is RSCS, in that it does not
directly supporting the building of output processing sections from TAG
information.  From the VM side, the output processing section
information is taken only from the XAB, and unless you have PSF (or
write yourself a PIPEs exec), you normally don't create an XAB.  RSCS
will never build an output processing section from TAG information (or
merge it, which would be even more desirable).  DEPT and BUILDING are
only one example of the more general problem of using the equivalent of
extended OUTPUT JCL to prepare output for processing.  And many of the
OUTPUT keywords do not even have NJE header equivalents, which means
that building an output processing section is a requirement to pass the
information.  It would be nice if RSCS would support an extended DEPT
field if I specify it, and place it in the output processing section.
Of course then you run into the TAG limit of 130 characters very
quickly (such as with 4 fields of 60 characters each for the ADDRESS
field).  Perhaps it is time to abandon TAG for new options and just
start using the XABs.

Gary
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From:         Leonard D Woren <LDW@USCMVSA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Dangling VSAM truenames

On Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:12:22 EST,
   Arthur Gutowski <AGUTOWS@WAYNEST1.BITNET> said:
> Yes, this approach is tricky.  Delete VVR will clean up the VVDS, though.
> If the VVR entries are gone with the catalog entries, then ICF can't
> do anything for you anyway.  Then you have to zap the VTOC and scratch the
> datset.

I believe (but am too lazy to look it up, and I'm certainly not going
to create a test case) that DELETE VVR is supposed to delete the VTOC
entry IF IT EXISTS, and delete the VVR entry IF IT EXISTS.  My
understanding is that the lack of one of those will not stop DELETE
VVR from deleting the other, although I won't swear to this.

It may also be possible to do something with DEFINE RECATALOG and then
DELETE.

> If you're sharing a catalog with VM, which isn't smart enough to handle ICF,
> then you have no choice but to use VSAM catalogs.  We share our ACF2 database
> which means we have to share a catalog.

Yep, it's another problem with VM, the OS for the 1960s.  (Let's see
if everybody has enough willpower to ignore this flame bait.)

/Leonard
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 10:36:05 CST
From:         Brad Stewart <C134BCS@UTARLVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Routine to return jobname

 Environment:
 MVS/ESA - JES2 4.2.0
 DFP 3.3.0

 Question: Does anyone have an assembly routine callable from COBOL that
           will return the jobnumber,jobname, and stepname of the job
           while it is executing?  Is there an easier way to obtain this
           information? Thanks in advance!

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From:         Elizabeth Pape <EPAPE@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Stock & Commodity Exchange & Education Conference
              04 Jan 93 10:43:23 EST from <MBRINKLE@uga.cc.uga.edu>

Thanks Mel, I'll pass it along.  How was your holiday?  Mine was great.
I was a bum and ate and slept!  Well, I did do some other things, but
only what *I wanted* to!  I could get into this not working.  eliz
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From:         Leonard D Woren <LDW@USCMVSA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: IOCP and Channel 0

On Tue, 5 Jan 1993 12:34:47 MST,
   Keith Risinger <SYSKMR@NMSUVM1.BITNET> said:
>                                            (...)   in the IOCP users
> guide it states 'MVS system generation requires TYPE=BY for channel
> number 0'. Even before I read that statement, I remembered something
> about channel 0 having to be defined as TYPE=BY, but I don't know
> why.

A couple of people followed up with answers to other questions than
what was asked.  The correct answer to the question is "historical",
at least for most processors and for current MVS releases.  I suppose
that some older and/or smaller processors might require CHPID 0 to be
BYte.

A pre-XA MVS requires that channel 0 be a byte channel.  Since you're
running MVS/ESA, remove the channel specification from the CHPID
macros -- they're irrelevant.  I'm guessing this is the cause of your
trouble.

> All this came about when we could not attach the new tape drives to
> any VM id, so I thought maybe the TYPE operand may have something to
> do with it.

I don't know enough about VM RIO, but it _may_ insist that channel 0
be a byte channel.  Again, if you're running VM/XA or later, this is
probably irrelevant.  Channel numbers don't actually exist in the XA
(MVS,VM) I/O architecture.

> Our environment is VM/ESA with MVS/ESA running under it.

I'd fix that too... (Just last week we had that argument on this list,
so let's not have it again now, even if I am throwing out flame bait.)

/Leonard