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From: kas5213@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: What is the big deal!!
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:21:52 GMT
Reply-To: kas5213@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:


>In article <1992Nov7.161003.7419@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, kas5213@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

>> 	Either answer the survey or don't, who cares. 

>Apparently, Khaled, Saif, and you do.
                               ^^^^^^
I certainly DO NOT.

>> I certainly don't give a hoot whether you answer or not. 

>That's why this is your *second* article on the topic.

You got me there.

>> Why this big debate? 

>Why not?  I posted an opinion, people are challenging it.  Hence, a
>"debate."

>> All this fuss to get Shakil to response? Wow, he must a real cool
>> dude, 

>You said it, not I.

>> I wish I had so much free time.

>Well, if this is the general flavor of your articles, I can only keep
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>hoping that your schedule stays that way... :-)

I do not display my flavors in my scb articles.

Boy, it is really hard getting anything through without getting a verbal 
beating from the scb policeperson. Good luck "debating".  

>-- Shakil
					ADNAN SIDDIKY
From: ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Marital Status (definition of Hindu)
Date: 12 Nov 1992 23:26:16 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
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In article <92317.173727THS1@psuvm.psu.edu>, <THS1@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> In article <1dphfjINN7cp@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU>,
> ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) says:
> 
> >In article <1992Nov10.144230.27800@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>,
> >indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:
> 
>     Much crap from indu@ncr.com deleted
> 
> >Clearly, you are ruling out Islam.  So how does that make your
> >standpoint any different?  Any attempts to construct an
> >all-encompassing religion will lead to inevitable paradoxes.  As for
> >overriding other peoples' rights, I suggest you examine the following
> >verses in the Qur'an:
> 
>     Shakil, I agree with your criticism of indu's crap, but would you
>     please read what you wrote in the third sentence in the paragraph
>     above ?  So would you now agree that Islam is not all-encompassing
>     or that Islam contains paradoxes ?

Neither.  You're totally missing the point.  The dreaded context
problem once more...  What I said is that a religion which attempts to
encompass all other religions leads to inevitable paradoxes, and if
you would care to quote my whole article, you will find an example I
present which clearly shows this.  Islam does not encompass all other
religions and state that all are true.  Quite to the contrary.  Any
attempt to take on a religious standpoint that all religions are
"true" leads to inevitable paradoxes.  That is what I meant.

-- Shakil
From: ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: My objections to the survey... (just an opinion)
Date: 7 Nov 1992 02:02:45 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
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In article <SAHMED.92Nov6185016@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>, sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed) writes:
> In article <1dek73INNqql@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU> ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
> 
>    In article <SAHMED.92Nov6150440@edvac.cs.oberlin.edu>, sahmed@edvac.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed) writes:

>    > As George Bush said at the Earth summit. "Great leaders sometimes have
>    > to stand alone and not go with the others. They have to do what they
>    > think is right" <Not exact quote, flame me for it>
>    > Or to quote the Mazda ad. "Most creatures, instinctively travel in
>    > herds. Others like to stand alone. And for this rare breed ......"
>    > <Inviting flames again>
>    > Unfortunately most of the scbites are neither Great leaders or a rare
>    > breed, or great thinkers for that matter. :) :)

>    You said it, not I... :)

>    I was merely speaking for myself, I'll leave it to you to speak for
>    everyone else since you appear to have chosen that role for
>    yourself...

> Did I say I am speaking for everyone else. Can you quote me on that.

I did.  Note the line "Unfortunately most of the scbites are neither
Great leaders" etc.  Whom *are* you speaking for, Saif?

> Can you give references from the Quran or any other books. I included
> my whole article so that I am not "out of context". :)

Well, Saif, keeping with your tradition, you outdo yourself yet once
more and are "out of context" even though you quoted the *whole*
article!  Other books and sarcasm are not particularly relevant to the
quoted line above which you appear to dispute.  

> Enough from me on this topic. Of course Shakil will respond and get
> the last word.

At least we agree on something...

-- Shakil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (KHALED AZIZ)
Subject: Re: He should have never done it...IV
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:20:47 GMT


In article <1992Nov13.164800.2542@udel.edu> kazi@dobie.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid 
Kazi) writes:
>
>He should have never walked down the  streets  of  Dhaka  without
>checking for open manholes.
>
>- Zunaid Kazi
>  kazi@cis.udel.edu
>

That was a good one!

Moreover I  have learned 8 new words from this article.  Could you 
please post "He should have never done it" more frequently.  It really helps
me a lot preparing for my GRE (english).


-- 
     KHALED AZIZ            |    " Thought of going back, but all I'd see 
mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu |      are strangers' faces, and all the scars
mkaziz@argo.acs.oakland.edu |      that love erases "    - NEIL DIAMOND
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: kazi@dobie.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Subject: Environmentalists?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:32:16 GMT

If there's anyone out there who's concerned about the proposed Bangladesh
Flood Action  Plan, or interested in  Bangladesh  ecology and sustainable
development  issues in  general, please  get in touch with me regarding a
proposed  Ecological/Environmental  organization  for Bangladesh. Please,
contact me directly through email.

- Zunaid Kazi
  kazi@cis.udel.edu
From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Re: MOHAMAD THE PROPHET
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 06:05:22 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
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In article <1992Nov7.015432.7477@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp> f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA) writes:


   That is why all of you keep fighting. 
----
Thank you. I had always wondered about that.



   That is why Muslims have seperate identity now.
----
What is the problem? Some of us do want a separate identity.


--
Naeem Mohaiemen
216-774-1993
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: kazi@dobie.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Subject: Re: Hindus in parliament
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:37:37 GMT

In article <NAEEM.92Nov7013830@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen) writes:
>
>Number of minorities in Bangladesh parliament
>
>Year		Total		Number of minorities
>1954		309		69	
>1973		315		10
>1979		315		06	
>1986		315		04
>1988		300		02
>
>[Source: Hindu Women's rights and family law in Bangladesh (Bengali), Dr.
> Nibedita Das PurKaostho; Narigrantha Publications]

Interesting statistics. One obvious conclusion that can be  drawn
here  is the continual decline in the percentage of minorities in
the Bangladesh parliament.

Only the percentage figure for 1954 (22%) appears to reflect  the
percentage  of  minorities in the general population. I am basing
my comments on the assumption that  the  term  "minorities"  here
refers  to Hindus. I don't have any references to back me up, but
I am under the impression that there was a quota  system  in  the
parliament  for  non-Muslim minorities during that time and which
was subsequently removed. This might account  for  the  equitable
distribution.

Another set of statistics in this context that  might  shed  more
light  on minority discrimination in Bangladesh would be one that
shows the percentage of minorities selected by mainstream politi-
cal  parties to participate in the elections. I think most Hindus
tend to associate with the Awami League, which they view  as  the
party most likely to protect their interests.

Another set of statistics that might be relevant here is the  ra-
tio  between  percentage  of  Hindus elected to the percentage of
Muslims elected for each  party's  candidates.  This  might  show
whether a voting bias based on religion exists or not.

There any many parameters that need to be factored into the equa-
tion.  Questions like the following need to be asked:

  1] What percentage of the Hindu population is entering politics
     in comparison with Muslims in Bangladesh? If there is a dis-
     crepancy, we need to ask why?

  2] What is the comparative professional/income/educational dis-
     tribution between the two groups? What accounts for the dis-
     crepancy if any exists?

  3] How have these distributions changed over the years?

>[Table does not make clear if 1954 figure is of unified Pakistan]
>--
>Naeem Mohaiemen

- Zunaid Kazi
  kazi@cis.udel.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (KHALED AZIZ)
Subject: Re: My objections to the survey... 
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:42:27 GMT

 sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed) writes:

>ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
>

>   No, why, did you?  Clearly, as I have said above, the "SCB awards" do
>   not qualify as fingerpointing for the simple reason there were enough
>   smileys and other obvious indications of humor attached to have made
>   the whole exchange be nothing other than a playful joke. 
					       ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Surprisingly the same Shakil wrote in the same day:

> It isn't meant as a news service, nor as an entertainment center.  It's 
                 			      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> simply a bulletin board. 

Hmmm...so Shakil what is the point here?  If SCB is not an entertainment
center, how come didn't speak-up in the net against  playful jokes but
participated in it instead?  Are we showing a little inconsistecy here?

And one more question, if SCB is nethrer an entertainment center not a
news service what on earth is it?  And where is it defined?  


>   An organized
>   survey requesting every individual to list their likes and dislikes
>   falls in a different category entirely.
>
>Of corse Shakil Waiz Ahmed said that the SCB awards do not qualify as
>fingerpointing because of the smilies. Zunaid, and others, shame onyou
>for not adding smilies.

Well what can we say?  We didn't realize that was the major problem with
survey.  But if Shakil wants I'll be happy to compile a personalized
version of the survey for him which will be full of similies.


-- 
     KHALED AZIZ            |    " Thought of going back, but all I'd see 
mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu |      are strangers' faces, and all the scars
mkaziz@argo.acs.oakland.edu |      that love erases "    - NEIL DIAMOND
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: Re: My objections to the survey... (just an opinion)
	<SAHMED.92Nov6150440@edvac.cs.oberlin.edu>
	<1dek73INNqql@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU>
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:50:16 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1dek73INNqql@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU> ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:

   In article <SAHMED.92Nov6150440@edvac.cs.oberlin.edu>, sahmed@edvac.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed) writes:
   > In article <1decn9INNqjs@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU> ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:

   >    And hence go with the flow and answer it anyway?  No thanks, I prefer
   >    to think before I do something, and I decided against it for the
   >    reasons I gave.

   > As George Bush said at the Earth summit. "Great leaders sometimes have
   > to stand alone and not go with the others. They have to do what they
   > think is right" <Not exact quote, flame me for it>
   > Or to quote the Mazda ad. "Most creatures, instinctively travel in
   > herds. Others like to stand alone. And for this rare breed ......"
   > <Inviting flames again>
   > Unfortunately most of the scbites are neither Great leaders or a rare
   > breed, or great thinkers for that matter. :) :)

   You said it, not I... :)

   I was merely speaking for myself, I'll leave it to you to speak for
   everyone else since you appear to have chosen that role for
   yourself...

Did I say I am speaking for everyone else. Can you quote me on that.
Can you give references from the Quran or any other books. I included
my whole article so that I am not "out of context". :)

Enough from me on this topic. Of course Shakil will respond and get
the last word.

Enjoy.



--
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| | Saifuddin Ahmed                                                        |
| | sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu                                             |
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From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Ed Crick
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:07:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: emoryu1.1395
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

gsinghma@reed.edu (Gaurav Singhmar) writes:
: 
: If anyone has any old posts on or about our man Ed Crick, I would very  
: much appreciate it if you would mail them to me. I'm doing a psychological  
: case study on him, and I lost most of his old articles when I our  
: brilliant superusers here erased my directory without reason (a Surrealist  
: act you might say).
: 
: Anyhow, I would really be very thankful.
: 
: - gaurav
: gsinghma@reed.edu
: 
: BTW, if enough want, I'll post my essay sometime in January.

Jan. is too far. Is it possible that you can post your essay
earlier than that? BTW, may I ask you as to what prompted you
to do a "psychological" case study on this species? Does it
have any history of psycatric problems? I am just curious!

--SN
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: KHALISTAN!
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:02:48 GMT

In article <Bx7F4p.8A4@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> hsingh@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Harpreet Singh) writes:
>
>Thanks for agreeeing with me.  The Killing i think will go on until the 
>government takes the first step in talking with the so called 'terrorists'.
>Can ui imagine what Rajiv gandu said during the riots 'WHEN A BIG TREE
>FALLS OBVIOULSY THERE IS GOING TO BE NOISE!'.  The big tree was Indira Gandu
>and the noise was just the killing of 10,000 Sikhs.
>
>Harpreet SINGH!

I don't think that what Rajiv had said counts at all. Everyone was 
emotionally worked up at that time. Everyone had gone cuckoos. The 
Sikhs had gone cuckoos (they came to my house to distribute ladoos
when they heard IG was assasinated - some nerve!), the people who
killed the sikhs had gone cuckoos, and Rajiv went cuckoos too (it 
was a personal loss to him, can you blame him for what he said? 
Emotions sometimes overshadow political finese). 

Now all that madness is behind, isn't it time to reflect what the future 
of punjab would be if they seperated. I know it is hard to forget the 
pain of those massacared (Hindus too have suffered the same pain -- and 
are still suffering) but using emotions to make such decisions is hardly
prudent. A seperation would be detrimental to both punjab and India. 

Personally, I think there is a very large difference in the mentality of 
the Sikhs here and that in India.  While many Sikhs in India are against 
the notion of Khalistan, they have to keep their mouths shut out of fear. 
However, if one lives in India, you can feel an undercurrent of hatred 
towards terrorists in many Sikh families.  Tacitly, the support for Khalistan
may be far less than the Sikhs here believe.  The Sikhs here in US are 
flooded with literature and horror stories propagated by the militant 
network.  Sikhs here do not get to see the other side of the coin and 
are convinced that all Sikhs in India want a Khalistan. I don't know how 
you can only see Sikhs being killed while ignoring the daily reports of 
trains and buses being bombed. Since when do freedom fighters kill randomly.

regards,
--   
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E-mail - gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu       |   /   All Std. Disclaimers apply.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rkannan@diana.cair.du.edu (3.14edPiperAtTheGatesOfDawn)
Subject: Re: Respect for female readers (was Re: Indian T..)
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 21:14:47 GMT

In article <1e0quuINN9tj@aludra.usc.edu> banerjee@aludra.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>In article <1403@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) writes:
>>crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:
>>: this message all by yourself, or did your mommy help you?
>>
>>No, your mommy helped me out, and my sincere thanks to her for
>>helping me. However, I feel sorry for her for giving birth to
>>a peculiar species.
>
>And the world feels sorry for your mom who spread her legs between the two
>poles and got a flea-brained imbecile like you to show for her efforts. 

Ahem. Four legged creatures do not spread their legs. His dad simply lifted
his mommys tail.

>>
>>Does your CHAMCHA also been included in the list?? Lately, quite
>>few of your CHAMCHAS have been running to my sys administrator.
>
>Yet another confirmation of your rustic upbringing and peasant stock. Probably
>your only claim to sophistication lies in posting a few limp-wristed one line
>rejoinders written in a completely mangled version of the Queen's language. 
>As for using the word "chamcha", I wouldn't have expected you to know it's
>English equivalent and it provides further evidence ( if any was needed at all)
>of your complete lack of intelligence. To probably save you further
>embarrassment, I suggest that you think in terms of posting in your native 
>Telegu.  

>Samit

Too verbose for a simple peasant like the Nimmala to grasp. You could
save the net thousands of dollars by merely posting one line rejoinders
so that the befuddled peasant does not have to ask for clarification.

Raj
From: rajain@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Doki's bible..
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:47:18 GMT

In article <1dri88INNkrm@aludra.usc.edu>, fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
> Doki writes:
> reminds me of another psalm for the bible:    (psalms 81:11)
> open thy mouth wide and i will fill it up for you.
> suresh
> 
f> 	Yea, I know how you fill your mouth with your own feet. Seems you've
fa> 	learnt the Bible well. Now if you would just go hang yourself... :)
						^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
faf> 
fafa> 	FFT


	hey Dokes, did this guy just threaten you ???  Where is the 
	Net.POLICE ??? What about that guy who was in-charge of handling
	alllllll such threats by reporting to Sys. Admin ???

		Man, I don't believe it !!! They alllll have gone into
	hiding!!!

	oh well....hey fft (whatever that is), *I* guess I have the
	responsibility of reporting this incident to your Sys. Admin....
	you can't openly make threats and get away w/ it !!! :-) 

		the nerve of some people.....<phew!!!!> :-)

	rAjAt.
From: garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Gary Deol)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: re:Khalistan
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 22:54:06 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

A reply to a message written by: aksood@zeno20.math.UWaterloo.ca 
                                 (Anoop Sood)
 
>  No, the killing will go on only until people like you keep on 
>terrorizing people.  One should never talk to terrorists, just kill 
>them.  It seems to me that the biggest GANDU of them all is you.  
>Show some respect for the leaders who are dead.  Indira Gandhi was a 
>great leader. and it real guts to go to the Golden Temple and flush 
>out those terrorists.  I can only hope we have more leaders like her, 
>who have some real guts.
 
 
  Just like you guys made accusations that Bhindranwale had the blood 
of innocent people on him, so did Indira Gandhi and you want us to 
pay respect for her - get real!  Remember it was the Hindu's who 
first spread sweets around after hearing the death of Bhindranwale, 
even if you didn't have respect for him, at least you should of had 
respect for the innocent victims who only came to the Golden Temple 
to pay homage for the fifth guru's martydom.  From ALL the dates that 
the Indian gov't could of attacked the Golden Temple, one wonders the 
motus-operandi for picking the fifth guru's martydom day knowing full 
well that the Golden Temple will be flocked with devotees;  Flushing 
out the terrorists doesn't seem to justify it!  Sadly thoa such a 
hatred has developed among Sikhs and Hindus that the people involved 
are only hoping each day that the other has the higher body count!

Gary Deol              garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: vyju@kind.ecn.purdue.edu (Vyjayanthi Manian)
Subject: passports ... Tamil Nadu ..
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: unbelievable delays ...HELP
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:03:54 GMT


My parents, whose passports had expired in June of this year, applied
for new passports in June in Madras. They were asked to come back in
Sept/October to collect their new passports. When they went there last
month to enquire, they were told that there were "indefinite delays"!
No idea when the passports would be released. The crowd in the
passport office is so great that no one is being allowed inside. 

My parents have made trips putside the country (that is active
passports)- so I can't imagine why the police enquiry would take so
long. 

One theory being floated is that many Srilankans are trying to flee to
the west using Indian passports - and logically they would use the Madras
office. The work load has apparently increased tremendously for doing
the background checks, etc. 

Has anybody else experienced this problem? I am expecting a child next year
and it would be nice if they coulld make it here by then. 
 
If anyone has a solution to this problem I would apprecaite hearing
from you. 

Cheers-
vyju manian
vyju@ecn.purdue.edu