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From: dstein@oak.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Subject: Re: Turkish Teams in European Cups
Reply-To: dstein@oak.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 08:26:17 GMT

Yusuf Murat Erkam writes:
 
|> 2) Something unusual (well not so unusual) happened in the game at Olomouc: 
|>    the referee...As far as I've heard from friends who've watched the game
|>    (I agree that they probably are biased) the referee had many
|>    controversial decisions throughout the game which definitely affected
|>    the score although not necessarily the victory of Sigma. Some of the 
|>    many calls the referee (I think he was from Portugal) made are:
|>    - an uncalled penalty for Fenerbahce when the score was 0-0 (the player
|>      had cleared all the defenders, and was facing the goalie...)
|>    - questionable third goal for Sigma
|>    - three players sent off from Fenerbahce respectively at 
|>      41st minute (score was 3-1) 
|>      72nd minute (score was 4-1)
|>      73rd minute (score was 4-1) 
|> 
|>    Considering the first leg game (won by Fenerbahce in Istanbul) which was
|>    totally dominated by Fenerbahce with a lot of wasted opportunities Sigma
|>    had not looked like a team that would come up with such a score in the
|>    2nd leg. For the sake of argument, Fenerbahce have defensive problems
|>    this year and the Turkish press was afraid of an opponent goal in the
|>    1st leg, and after seeing Sigma's play everybody in Turkey was claiming
|>    Fenerbahce were going to beat Sigma in Czechoslavakia.

   One note on that--according to the Czech papers, Olomouc was missing a 
   large number of their key players due to injuries and flue at the time of 
   the Istanbul match.  So they were very happy to get away with only a 1:0 
   loss, but their performance must have been very deceptive in relation to 
   their usual strength.

   Still, I would expect a score like 3:1 or so, not 7:1 ....
 
|>    Anyway, if there is someone (neutral) on the net who's watched the game
|>    by any chance, I would appreciate any comments that would help to clarify
|>    the speculations after the game.

    When I get the Czech papers (may take a week or two) I'll see if they will
    shed some light on the game.
 
|>    Regards,
|> 
|>   --Murat

 - David

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I'm not a native speaker of English, so I'm not sure what I wrote.
Flames will be ignored unless you post them in perfect Czech.
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From: S947607@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (Pavel Nikiforovitch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Attention everyone
Date: 7 Nov 1992 13:03:40 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Attention everyone !!!

Two days ago I posted my "European Review" (No.2) and "European Cups standings
so far" in "rec.sport.soccer". I have NO idea if you guys got them. Could
please anyone confirm/disconfirm that ?  Thanks !

                                        Pavel. ("s947607@umslvma.umsl.edu")
From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SwRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: re: Re: YOU are the ref!
Date: 6 Nov 1992 09:04:47 -0600
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FIFA should either : introduce the above rule, or,
		     define clearly what constitutes a back pass.

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They have, whether we agree or not :

	a back pass is when a defender deliberately (in the judgement of the 
referee) kicks (with his feet or foot) the ball to his keeper.

The offense occurs when the keeper touches or plays the ball with his hands.

	josef
	jzeevi@swri.edu
From: waring@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Martin Waring)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Aston Villa in the 80's
Date: 11 Nov 1992 13:07:58 -0600
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From: mfiguero@lonestar.utsa.edu (Miguel . Figueroa)
Subject: Re: concacaf Honduras-Costa Rica qualifier
Keywords: soccer game score
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:19:18 GMT


Regarding the Mexico - St. Vincent game and the comments of a previous
posting, I have to disagree emphatically!  This guy claims St. Vincent
was dominating the game, COME ON!, St. Vincent was playing more like
a scrimmage game.  Mexico was clearly the best team and I have to
admit that they came out flat, but looking at the playing field, who
can blame them.  They were playing on a Rugby field and the surface
was not leveled at all, Mexico's short passing game was all but
eliminated by the condition of the field.  I'm not seeking excuses
for the Mexican national team but what a joke, St. Vincent barely
had any thing close to being a threat to the Mexican goalie and
yet this guy claims that St. Vincent had the majority of the
scoring oportunities.  Well, I guess we will see the 4-0 score
doubled or tripled when these two teams meet in Mexico City.
For now, Honduras looks tough with a road victory in Costa Rica.
These two teams are starting to have a rivalry and Mexico's invitation
to the COPA AMERICA over Honduras has just added more fire. Mexico will
have the services of Luis Garcia, who plays in Spain for Atletico de
Madrid. The game is Sunday in Mexico City and is a key matchup between
perhaps the two best teams in CONCACAF.

Miguel Figueroa
UT-SAN ANTONIO

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: R0664@vmcms.csuohio.edu
Subject: Re: Best Man Utd Manager ?
Organization: CSU
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:49:51 GMT

In article <16896150A5.074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za>
074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za writes:
 
>
>Besides Sir Matt Busby, who was in a class of his own, who do fellow
>United fans out there think was/is the best manager that United had.
>The managers I have in mind are:
>
>Tommy Docherty (FA Cup Runners up, FA Cup Winners - how can we ever forget)
>Dave Sexton    (FA Cup Runners up)
>Ron Atkinsson  (League Cup Runners Up, 2 FA Cup Winners)
>Alex Fergusson (League Cup Runners Up, League Cup Winners, FA Cup Winners,
>                Cup Winners Cup Winners, Super Cup Winners)
 
My vote goes for Tommy Docherty.  I spent many saturday afternoons standing
on the Stretford End watching the likes of Steve Coppell, Gorden Hill,
Stuart Pearson, and Gerry Daly.  The '76 FA Cup was a little disapointing,
but '77 made up for it.  Yep, The Doc had a team that played exciting football.
 
Richard Cole
The Urban Center
Cleveland State University
Cleveland Ohio 44107
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: 111a-ah@sophia.smith.edu (111a Student)
Subject: Soccer Infomation
Organization: Smith College
Distribution: ne
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 00:56:17 GMT


  I've been here for two months and still haven't figured out where to get
news on soccer except from the computer. 
  Well, this is America, where soccer not equal to football is true.
  But there must be some fans there... can anybody please tell me the channels
and regular times for soccer matches on TV here? And magazines or publications
too.
  Thanks in advance.

  Dianna    
  Box 6733
  Smith College
  Northampton 01063-0100
  e-mail: 111a-ah@sophia.smith.edu
From: vince@bme.ri.ccf.org (Geoff Vince)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Sunderland Report?
Keywords: Sunderland
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:48:15 GMT
Organization: Biomedical Engineering, Cleveland Clinic Foundation

Can anyone provide a report on the Sunderland P'boro game?  Perhaps taken 
from the Journal or Sunderland Echo.
Thanks

Geoff Vince (in the land of the free and the home of the brave)
From: 098802@adpdp2.lanl.gov (098802)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: I scouse, You scouse, We scouse
Date: 8 Nov 92 22:00:00 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, EMVAX
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I hoped to be amusing, but I was also serious. Any idea why Liverpool
dialect is called scouse? I'm still not sure how it's pronounced (I assume it
rhymes with cows).
From: Eugene McElroy <emcelroy@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Date: 10 Nov 92 09:56 PST
Subject: Re: Spanish Div.2 League
Nf-ID: #R:1992Nov9.133757.388@wsuhub.uc.tw:814986361:cdp:1460100004:000:157
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!emcelroy    Nov 10 09:56:00 1992


question: if real madrid b or barcelona b win the second division, do they gain promotion to the first divsion? also how are the usa players in spain doing?

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From: harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh)
Subject: Re: Liverpool-Blackburn...When ?
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:22:36 GMT

> gharpure@power.psl.ee.vt.edu writes:
>Can someone please post the dates of Liverpool-Blackburn matches?
>
>Vasudev

Dec 12	Liverpool - Blackburn
Apr 03	Blackburn - Liverpool

Cheers,
	Harin
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From: JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SwRI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: re: Soccer in USA 94
Date: 12 Nov 1992 07:29:07 -0600
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Some yahoo writes :

For some time now, the WCup organisers in the US have been whining about
field and goal sizes, offside rules, turf vs grass.  This patently american,
"well, we're the USA so we'll do it our way" attitude has become so
intolerable, that FIFA is seriously considering pulling the tournament out
and moving it elsewhere - where the sport of football comes first,
hopefully.  Rumour has it (and how's this for p.r.?) that the new ,
unified Germany will be best able to prepare on short notice.  I'm only
disappointed because I would go, were the games in the US.  Way to go, yanks.

------------------------------

Geez. Cripes. Jumpin' Jiminy. LEAVE IT ALONE! They ain't gonna take it away. 
There is NO truth to the above garbage. Why is it so intolerable that the US 
is hosting the cup? Sheesh.

	josef
	jzeevi@swri.edu
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Thursday, 12 Nov 1992 13:31:42 CET
From: Sean Clarke <SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Cameroon in Italia '90

Cameroon were put out by none other than England, in the quarter finals,
and, as any Englishman would tell you, we absolutely shit ourselves.
If I remember rightly, Platt scored a great goal to put England 1 up,
and Cameroon hit back with 2 (Milla getting one, I think, though memory
fails somewhat.). Lineker got a late penalty to take the game into extra
time, and Lineker again scored during this period, to seal it for England.

The Cameroons I know beat Columbia in the match previous to this (last 16),
thanks mainly to the Columbian keeper trying to dribble the ball past Milla.

In the qualifiers, they beat Argentina in the opening game 1-0 (Biyak I think)
and had 2 players sent off, the second a real team effort, the first player
tripping him the second setting him up further, and the third kicking the
Argie into the following week - possibly the most blatant foul I have even
seen. So bad I almost pi$$ed myself laughing.

Cannot remember the other qualifying games, although they did not lose -
thus making England still the only team to beat the Cameroons in the 2
finals Cameroon have qualified for (sorry, but we need something to be
remembered for! :-( )

Overall, they were actually let down by less than adequate international
defending, and fairly poor discipline, although they probably played
some of the best football in the tournament. Certainly they (and other
African teams) will not have to wait much longer for even more success.
The England - Cameroon game was, incidently, probablt the best game in
the whole of Italia 90.

Reagrds, Sean
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Torino result in UEFA.
From: ioffe@chen.bgu.ac.il (Alex Ioffe)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:55:47 GMT
Organization: Ben Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel

If i don't mistake Torino lost to Dynamo(Moscow) by agregate, after
 a zero draw in Moscow.
From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: england, italy and rangers
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:05:49 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Nov10.134434.1223@dct.ac.uk>, mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk writes:
> 

> As to the 'battle of britain' match i wanted rangers to make it but only
> because i hoped they would get AC in the next round and then we'd see just
> how mediocre they are in europe. Why should non-rangers fans want them to win?
> Most of their players are english and their fans seem to think they're from
> Northern Ireland, so they can't really expect us to support them because they
> are scottish. Hope you get stuffed in the league section lads!!
> 


Good to see someone making a complete erse of themselves on r.s.s.  Most
players are English then ?  Well if you'd care to take a look at the 
starting line up in the Leeds match there were only 2 English with a 
Ukrainian as substitute. Overall there are 5 English players at Ibrox plus
3 other non-Scots.   And you can cut out that Northern Ireland crap.
  

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From: tex@cs.nott.ac.uk (Timothy Emanuel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Recent Man Utd results
Date: 7 Nov 92 11:15:04 GMT
Organization: Nottingham University

In article <2407@grivel.une.edu.au> nschwarz@neumann.une.edu.au (Norman Schwarz) writes:

>Reason 1: Mr Ferguson refuses to spend any of the vast sums of cash that he has
>          available on a penalty area dominant striker. He never seems reluctant

You're being unfair to Ferguson saying he refuses to spend any money. He may 
have the tactical ability and innovative thought of a frog, but I'm sure he'd
love to spend some of the money available. The reason he can't, is because the
money grabbing bastards of `Manchester United PLC' won't let him. These are the
same sort of people who consider Ryan Giggs a 5 million pound asset rather than
a bloody good winger.

>Reason 3: Lee Sharpe has been sidelined for months due to persistent bad luck.
>Reason 4: Robo, the driving force behind the team is still injured.

Both back today against Villa :-)

Tim.
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From: rcampb@cac.washington.edu (Russ Campbell )
Subject: Re: Soccer in U.S.
Organization: UW Computing
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:38:56 GMT

Sigh.  Okay, I'll be nice instead of spitting out a knee-jerk reaction to
the sentiment in the articles I'm following up.

Judge soccer's popularity in the US not by what you see in the media but
by the following:

'Soccer International', published out of California, has had trouble since
it's creation keeping up with the demand in it's subscription department. 
When I phoned them one time to find out what was keeping my subscription
renewal premium (a nice t-shirt) from arriving I was told they'd get to it
but it might still be some time before doing so.  At that time they'd
estimated they'd be getting between 500 and 1000 subscription requests a
month (this was in the second year).  In the month prior to my call they'd
actually received more than 8000.

Take a look, next time there's a soccer 'broadcast', at how many games are
being played at local fields.

Watch advertizing closely in the next few years.  The large corporations
here that are supposedly so greedy and yet ignorant of the sports
potential are indeed greedy but are far from ignorant.  Soccer is
appearing more and more in marketing efforts, especially those aimed at youth.

Consider the number, the growing number, of public high schools that are
having trouble fielding an american football team because the boys would
rather be playing youth/civic league soccer.  School districts all over
the place are beginning to cancel the free use privaledges of soccer clubs
and charging rent for use of the school fields by these clubs.  Why? 
Because the people in control are still good-old-boy gridiron types and
don't like that the boys don't want to play their game as much any more.

Soccer/football is plenty popular here.  You just have to look beyond the
media's poor coverage and lack of insight to realize it.

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From: kgamble@OES.ORST.EDU (Kevin Gamble)
Subject: Re: ACC Soccer Update
Organization: Oregon State University Extension Service, Corvallis, OR
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:19:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.020417.14713@Virginia.EDU> pca8c@Virginia.EDU ("Phil Abel") writes:
>
>I think a major cause in the team's recent dip has been
>injuries and suspensions. One player, an extremely powerful
>midfielder who was one of four Cavaliers to play on the US
>Olympic team this past summer, was suspended for testing
>positive for marijuana. Several other important figures have
>been injured and may be out of action in the upcoming NCAA
>tourney.

Reyna?? I thought he had an ankle injury.

>The ACC tourney is presently taking place, and Virginia needs
>to maintain its composure in order to make it to the NCAA. 
>Wake Forest and North Carolina played last night. Not sure
>who won, but whoever it was, Virginia is playing them as I type
>this message. The tournaments should prove to be extremely
>interesting and competitive.

UVA returned to its winning ways by defeating Clemson 4-2 in the
finals. Clemson had a great tourney defeating Duke 3-2 in a 
stunning comeback in overtime. Nidel Babba is sensational,
and the Clemson keeper put on a great show. Clemson then
when on to defeat NC State in a shootout. Against NC State
Clemson also had to stage two last minute comebacks to stay
alive. I was impressed with Clemson's patience, and they
never seemed to deviate from their game plan. They didn't
attack unless they had a clear advantage.

Virginia was never really tested beating both UNC and Clemson
handily. It should be an interesting NCAA tourney this year.
I hope Clemson makes it in. They've had a rough season, but
beating the #1 and #2 teams in the country back-to-back
should count for something.

Kevin Gamble (kgamble@ces.ncsu.edu)
From: gummi@rhi.hi.is (Gudmundur Bjarni Josepsson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Souness
Date: 13 Nov 92 09:56:49 GMT

In <1dubn2INNd7m@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro) writes:

>Not a Gooner, but a Yid. Yes it's true that Siggi Jonsson's career was
>virtually finished by that injury. He eventually retired from football
>sometime last season.

Not entirely true.  He played with his old team, Akranes, in Iceland
last season and won the championship title.  He can't play with the
national team, though, because of insurance matters.  They argued if he
was fit enough to play with a national team he must be fit enough to
play with Arsenal.

Gummi
From: andrew@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rangers Match Report
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:25:15 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

davidc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (David Corr) writes:

<snip snip>

>...........Stuff deleted........

>I guess Rangers just got the lucky breaks on the night from what i saw!!!

I guess Rangers scored two goals to Leeds one that's what I saw!!

Naturally, the EBC and other English League supporters are going to say
that Leeds were unlucky. Rubbish. You make your own luck. The Leeds attack
was based around aerial bombardment which the Rangers defense coped with.
When this didn't work they didn't have an effective alternative. 

Rangers on the other hand caught Leeds cold by scoring on the break, a
style they're not used to playing. Rangers weakest point was the midfield,
which couldn't win enough ball. Personally, I thought Gordon looked deathly
slow and cumbersome, and McCall kept giving the ball away. McAllister would be
the ideal man to sign to give the midfield quality in depth.

But then I am not even a Gers supporter, but am delighted to see them
through not least cos I put 10 quid on them to win the match at 3/1.

Andy W.
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From: pele@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (David J. Duffield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: rec.sports.soccer.referee
Date: 13 Nov 1992 22:20:05 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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Keywords: YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is ever so difficult to weed through two hundred articles when you can't
logon everyday, therefore to better structure my life (and for other reasons),
I must say

		YES!!!! r.s.s.referee    Add please.

--David
Go SF Bay Blackhawks??? I don't think so.
From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Cameroon in Italia '90
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:27:17 GMT
Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan

In article <92317.133143SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET> SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET (Sean Clarke) writes:
>
>Cannot remember the other qualifying games, although they did not lose -
>thus making England still the only team to beat the Cameroons in the 2
>finals Cameroon have qualified for (sorry, but we need something to be
>remembered for! :-( )

Sorry the former USSR beat them 4-0

>Reagrds, Sean


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