From: 491miley@gw.wmich.edu (Tim Miley)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Vegetarianism and warexit
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:54:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: gw.1992Apr10.145420.3781
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Apr7.225356.10628@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, cpbuehrer@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>> It is somewhat wrong to eat family farmed animals that were free ranged. 
>> However, if a person cannot convert to vegetarianism, then this is the way I
>> point them to.
> 
> And what gives anyone the right to tell someone else how they should live their
> lives???  I guess in your world the right people get to tell the wrong people.
> 

Ok, dude.  If they come up to the animal rights information tab and engage in a
conversation with me about animal rights and farming, then I will RECOMMEND a
vegetarian diet or free range food.  I have no intention to try to hypnotize
them, twist their arm, or gross them out.  I want to make them think!

> 
> 
>> "If you wish to know why there are disasters of wars and armies in the world,
>> come listen to the piteous cries from the slaughterhouse at midnight."
>> 
>> Also, from Isaac Bashevis Singer:
>> "I think that everything connected with vegetarianism is of the highest
>> importance, because there will never be any peace in the world so long as we
>> eat animals."
>>
> 
>                          
> Until people stop believing everything they read and quoting everything that
> sounds good...there will be wars.  I recommend people THINK above all else.
> I find it hard to believe vegetarian is the ultimate answer...a little
> compassion, respect, and understanding can make a world of difference.  Try
> opening your mind (wider) and try it some time.
> 
> --Dennis

Dennis, where did you get the dumb idea that I was saying that vegetarianism is
the ultimate answer?  It is a solution to many problems, but it won't cure the
world of hypocrisy, greed, callousness, etc.  It will help us make progress, as
many of the greatest humans have always said, such as DaVinci, Pythagorus,
Tolstoy, Schweitzer, George Bernard Shaw, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Ben Franklin,
Ghandi, Einstein, and so many others.

George Bernard Shaw wrote:
    We are the living graves of murdered beasts
      Slaughtered to satisfy our appetites,
    We never pause to wonder at our feasts
      If animals, like men, can possibly have rights.
    We pray on Sundays that we may have light,
      To guide our footsteps on the paths we tread.
    We're sick of war, we do not want to fight,
      The thought of it now fills our hearts with dread.
    And yet we gorge ourselves upon the dead,
      Like carrion crows, we live and feed on meat,
    Regardless of the suffering and pain
      We cause by doing so.  If thus we treat
    Defenseless animals for sport or gain,
      How can we hope in the world to attain
    The PEACE we say we are so anxious for?
      We pray for it, o'er hecatombs of slain,
    To God, while outraging the moral law,
      Thus cruelty begets its offspring-War.
                 SONG OF PEACE

Why don't you try to open your mind, dude.  You seem to need it more than I do. 

I used to think like you and treated the subject of animal rights with
derision.  Then I learned that eating animals was unhealthy, contrary to what I
was taught in the public school system.I learned that animals are treated with
brutality and total lack of respect in the factory farming system.  Then I
learned that the meat based diet is tremendously wasteful in resources.  I
opened my mind and accepted these ideas, even though it was hard for me and
there was a part of me that still wanted to just forget the whole thing and
keep eating McDeath burgers.  I resisted that urge to close my mind.

You are in no position to tell me that my mind is closed.

Tim

-- 
****************************** "My situation is a solemn one: Life is offered
* 491MILEY@GW.WMICH.EDU      * me on the condition of eating beefsteaks...My
* or                         * will contains directions for my funeral, which
* X91MILEY@GW.WMICH.EDU      * will be followed not by mourning coaches, but by
* Tim Miley                  * oxen, sheep, flocks of poultry, and a small
* Western Michigan University* traveling aquarium of live fish, all wearing
* Kalamazoo, Michigan        * white scarves in honor of the man who perished
****************************** rather than eat his fellow-creatures..."- GBS
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