Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 08:38:29 EDT
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Subject: GayNet Digest Volume 0 Issue 5
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In this issue:
   NGLTF 1992 _CREATING CHANGE_ Conference Los Angeles November 13-15
                      mountain time and noo joisy
         Swimming and Water Polo competition in Washington, DC
                            "Together Alone"
                               subscribe
                           parents and 800#s
                           fisher appointment
                          Gay Jewish Resources
                           supportive parents
                                lavender
                    Any info on these law schools???
                             Gay Cyberpunk
                    Help for a young Mexican friend
                              Maury Povich
                    "Are Homosexuals Born That Way?"

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Subject: NGLTF 1992 _CREATING CHANGE_ Conference Los Angeles November 13-15
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 16:45:19 -0400
From: Ron Buckmire <buckmr@rpi.edu>

The following was posted to soc.motss:


This is information I pick up from the National Gay Lesbian Task Force
Policy Institute. This was posted here with out their permission.

Creating Change is a registered trade mark of the National Gay Lesbian
Task Force Policy Institute.

National Gay and Lesbian Task Force Policy Institute
1734 14th Street NW
Washington, DC 20009
202-332-6483	202-332-6219 (TTY)

5th Annual

Creating Change 		November 13-15, 1992

Who?

	A National Skills-Building Conference for Gay and Lesbian Organizing

	1,500 - 2,000 gay, lesbian and Bisexual activists from around the
		county.

	100+ workshops presented by national experts in direct action,
		state civil rights bill, sex media skills, fundraising,
		working with a Board of Directors, the changing demographics
		of AIDS, queer art and censorship, much more.

	Plenary speakers:

		Margaret Cerullo, Massachusetts
		Valli Kanuha, New York
		John Preston, Maine
		Phil Willson, California
		Odilia Mendez, Texas
		Angukcuaq, Minnesota
		Paul Monette, California

What?

	The largest annual national gay and lesbian conference:
		Time to Learn Skills,
		Argue Strategy,
		Network,
		Meet the Leaders of Our National Movement

	Three Pre-Conference Institutes

		November 11		Campus Organizing Institute

		November 12		People of Color Organizing Institute

					Diversity Training Institute


How much?

	Conference fees range from $80.00 - $190.00

	Pre-Conference Institute fees range from $45.00 - $165.00


Why?

	Because your life depends on it.


Where and When?

	Los Angeles Airport Hilton, Los Angeles, California

	November 13-15, 1992

______________________________________________________________________________

		Creating Change Registration Form

Registration forms must be postmarked and returned with payment by Friday,
October 23, 1992, to Creating Change 1992, NGLTF Policy Institute, 1734 14th
Street NW, Washington DC 20009-4309. Incomplete forms or forms without payment
will be returned to sender and will result in unnecessary delays. Please
complete a separate form for each participant. No refunds will be given for
registrations canceled after Friday, September 25, 1992. All cancellations
subject to a $25.00 administrative fee. Scholarship assistance for low-income
and student activists is available for the Pre-Conference Institutes and for
the Conference. For more information, see Scholarship Information in this
brochure. Space is limited Register early!!!

Please print

Name ____________________________ Tel Day (   ) __________ Eve (   ) ________

Address _____________________________________________________________________

City ______________________________ State ________________ Zip ______________


	Pre-Conference Institutes	Before 10-23	10/24 - at the door
	(fee includes lunch)

	Individual			$135.00		$165.00
	Coop Org. Member		 $90.00		$120.00
	Student/Limited Income		 $45.00		 $75.00


	Creating Change			Before 10-23	10/24 - at the door
	(fee includes Sunday brunch)

	Individual			$160.00		$190.00
	Coop Org. Member		$120.00		$150.00
	Student/Limited Income		 $80.00		$115.00

	Fee determined by postmark on your envelope!

(Note: The conference goal is to break even. Every effort to insure financial
accessibility - through scholarships and limited income/student fee rates is
being made. Groups with have joined NGLTF are called Cooperating Organizations.
The Cooperating Organizations fee rate is for those who belong to one of these
groups. To find out if your group is a Cooperating Organization or to register
for that status, call Heidi Scanion at NGLTF. If you are registering at this
rate, please list name of Cooperation Organization: _______________________

		Creating Change Conference (Nov. 13-15) __________________

			     Campus Institute (Nov. 11) __________________

	People of Color Organizing Institute (Nov. 12)	__________________
		(for people of color only)

		 Diversity Training Institute (Nov. 12) __________________

	Yes, I want a ticket for the Saturday Night     __________________
			Gala Reception ($35.00)

		    Additional tax-deductible donation  __________________

				 Total amount enclosed  __________________

		Please make checks payable to NGLTF Policy Institute

	To pay with a credit card, Circle one:	VISA	MC

	Name ____________________________  Signature ________________________
	     (as shown on credit card)

	Credit Card No. ___________________ Expiration Date __________________

	Special Needs (please check)

	Note: Creating Change is committed to make this event as accessible as
	possible. All special needs requests must be received by Friday,
	October 16, 1992 in order to be adequately addressed.

	__	Accessibility Assistance

	__	ASL Interpretation

	__	Braille/Taped Conference Materials

	__	Other Language Interpretation

	__	Child care

	__	Community Housing (Creating Change cannot guarantee the
		availability of community housing)

	__	Vegetarian meals


	Additional Information

	__	I am interested in assisting Creating Change financially,
		Please send Conference Contributor Information.

	__	I am interested in exhibiting at Creating Change. Please send
		exhibitor information. (deadline 10/12/92)

	__	I am interested in scheduling a video presentation. Please send
		scheduling information. (deadline 10/12/92)

	__	I am interested in advertising on the Creating Change
		Program Book. Please send advertising rates.

- -
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in '93!''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
Samuel R. Delany, Jodie Foster, Barry Diller, Martina Navratilova, k. d. lang,
Audre Lorde, David Geffen, Bob Jackson-Paris, Greg Louganis, Whitney Houston.

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From: rcrawfor@bell.susqu.edu
>To: gaynet@GALLIFREY.KENT.edu
>From: rcrawfor
Date: Wed Oct 7 17:55:50 EDT 1992
Phone: The I-House
Subject: mountain time and noo joisy
Ua-Message-Id: <PMXSTAR-2.2.1a-rcrawfor-000000real-117>

        look friends. i know i'm new here, and people use gaynet to discuss
serious philosophical debates, but there comes a time to lighten up a little
bit....so i have appointed myself the one to do it since i'm stuck out here
with the amish and thus have no life.....
        today's questions are: what moron came up with the idea of mountain
time? i just finished apologising to someone about my constant barbs against
it, but i really need to know. what is in that time zone that we really need?
the rockies? i think not. phoenix? no way. yellowstone? well...maybe, but
since old faithful isn't as faithful as it used to be, probably not.....

        the other question is this: why do we let the state of noo joisy have
continued existence? we should just nuke it with its own waste and be rid of
it once and for all! this point is non-negotiable. i live in penna., of my
family lives in delaware, and we're all sick of it. i have friends who live in
newARK del. (home of u.del.) that have to constantly hear the name of their
beautiful town pronounced like that place in noo joisy..

        well, that's today's fun. more when i return.....which will be soon
because i live with the amish and have no life.....

        forty-two...,
        rob crawford
        rcrawfor@bell.susqu.edu

______  the pink triangle.....membership has its privileges....
\    /
 \  /
  \/  member since 1987


ps. to all potential penpals...this is just the tip of the iceberg of my
warped sense of humor.....i'm waiting....

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Date:     Wed, 07 Oct 92  18:24 EDT
From: Paul Fortoul <OWL%CCNYVME.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject:  Swimming and Water Polo competition in Washington, DC

The International Gay & Lesbian Aquatics teams from Washington, (DC
Aquatics Club - swimming, Washington Wetskins - water polo) are
hosting their 4th Annual Columbus Day Classic on Sat. and Sun. October
10 and 11, 1992.  The competition will be held at Fairlands Aquatic
Center, 13820 Old Gunpowder Road, Laurel, MD.  Swimming will be from
8:00 AM to about 12 Noon and water polo starts at 1:00 PM for a few
hours on both days.  There will be participants travelling from Boston,
New York (about 2 dozen), Philadelphia, Chicago, Ann Arbor, and perhaps
further.
   I think we will probably participate in the candlelight march on Sat-
urday.  There are several panels remembering swimmers who haved died.

Directions to the pool:  Take I-95 North from Beltway to Exit 33 (Rte
198).  Go West about 1 mile and make a left onto Old Gunpowder Rd.
Go about 1.5 miles to Fairland Regional Park (on the right).  Aquatics
Center is in the park.  Spectators would be welcome.

     Paul Fortoul
     Atlantic Co-Chair, International Gay and Lesbian Aquatics
     Coach, Team New York Aquatics

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Date: 07 Oct 1992 16:31:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: BOLDINGW@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU
Subject: "Together Alone"
Mime-Version: 1.0

  Just saw a great movie titled "Together Alone".  It is a conversation
  between two men who meet at a bar, go home, have sex and then get to
  know each other.  (Sound familiar??)  Very well done.  I doubt it will
  be a main line movie - probably "art" theatres.  I think it was a film
  project from UCLA and they may be able to refer you to the distributor.
  It is about 90 minutes long.  Exceptionally well done with a lot of
  thought provoking arguements relating to relationships, bisexuality,
  marriages, infidelity, etc.  Has anyone else out there seen this yet?

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Date:     Wed, 7 Oct 92 19:59 CDT
From: <AP13746%SWTEXAS.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject:  subscribe

help

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From: hjhess@cwis.unomaha.edu (Heidi Jeanne Hess)
Subject: parents and 800#s
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 20:55:31 CDT

In response to the gaynetter that said my mom (N. Hess) was wonderful --
don't I know it!!!! She really is, and so is my dad. Both of them
have been suportive of since I "came out" when I was in high school and
both of them have been more than loving, they have respected me for
what I am and what I have done. Never have they condemned me for
coming out or being active in the community. No, I know my mom (and
dad) are wonderful and I know I am lucky to have them ... maybe that is
why all of my friends "adopt" them after they meet them! :-)

Now, about the 1-800 phone numbers -- not all of the 1-800 phone numbers
have the telephone interactive system which allows the telemarketing firm
to know what your name and address is. Concerned Women of America does
not have that service. When you call that number, the only information
they get is what /you/ give them. So if you don't want them to have
your  phone number or address, don't tell them what it is. Now, they
will ask for a zip code when you call, but the operator needs that
information to get to a screen they need to take the call BUT you can
give them any five digits you want to and it will register -- and
yes, 12345 does work (it really is a zip code). Now for the telemarketing
firms that have the telephone interactive system, it only pulls up
your address and phone /if/ you are listed in the phone book /and/ if you
are just calling for information, rather than placing an order, most firms
to do not keep a log of those calls -- so your address/phone would
still be safe.

Sorry, not trying to flame anyone  ... so please, no flames to me.

Heidi

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From: rcrawfor@bell.susqu.edu
>To: gaynet@GALLIFREY.KENT.edu
>From: rcrawfor
Date: Wed Oct 7 22:49:00 EDT 1992
Phone: The I-House
Subject: re: fisher appointment
Ua-Message-Id: <PMXSTAR-2.2.1a-rcrawfor-000000real-130>

        i know i've appointed myself to be the gaynet smiley face :), but
this is an issue about which i can get really hot :( and steamed about.
this especially happens when it comes to bush, buchanan, fundies, or
jean-marie le pen.
        in regards to bush having replaced magic on the AIDS commission, i
think that george herbert walker bush played his political ace in the hole.
this woman--wealthy, white and VERY republican--is what herbie needs to make
himself look good in light of what magic (who shouldn't have been on the
board in the first place) said when he quit. however, if she ends up saying
the same thing in another bush white house (which, if there is a god,  won't
happen), then he's really fucked, and danny will never sit with the big boys
of the world.
        when magic came out and said that he was positive, i wrote a biting
piece about the public treatment and reaction in my school paper. they
kissed his ass when other honest, hardworking people were being thrown out
of their houses and losing their jobs, etc. for the same reason. if i can find
it, i'll reprint it. but i'm sure it's on file here.
        i'm appalled that herbie  was wearing a red ribbon. sure, some people
may think that he's actually concerned about those with AIDS, but i don't buy
it for a minute. i think that this is just one step short of--to borrow a word
from the fundies--blasphemy.

        that's all for now....

        forty-two......,
        rob
        rcrawfor@bell.susqu.edu

______ the pink triangle....membership has its privileges....
\    /
 \  /
  \/ out since 1987

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 03:53 GMT
From: "G. Gabriel Ben-Yosef" <0003505072@mcimail.com>
Subject: Gay Jewish Resources

To whomever requested citations for Gay/Jewish books, I would also recommend
Lev Rafael's _Dancing on Tisha B'Av_. There was an interview with Lev in
Christopher Street that was very interesting. I think that, along with the
other good suggestions already posted, will be a good start. Oh, but don't
forget (seriously!) _Out of Our Kitchen Closets: San Francisco Gay Jewish
Cooking_ from Congregation Sha'ar Zahav.

In keeping with the duality of our oral/written traditions, I urge you to
"get yourself a companion" and learn together. Reading is great, but you've got
to put it in context. Here are three groups that can get you started and get
you involved in the gay Jewish community.

Am Tikva, PO Box 11, Cambridge, MA 02238, 617-782-8894
Congregation Beth Simchat Torah, GPO Box 1270, New York, NY 10116, 212-929-9498
Congregation Sha'ar Zahav, 220 Danvers St., Caselli, CA 94114, 415-861-6932

With best wishes for a healthy, happy and fulfilling new year,

Gabriel (in Boston)
gbenyosef@mcimail.com

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:09 EDT
From: MAIRE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
Subject: supportive parents

Thanks to Heidi's mom for calling Concerned Women of Amerika.  Indeed
it *is* wonderful to see such shows of support from our parents!  In
that vein, a story of my own:  I told my mother over the weekend about
what is happening in Oregon (she had heard nothing about it), and she
was so outraged that she wrote a $100 check to No on 9!  There is
hope for this world!  And to think I had been afraid to come out to
her before.....

Everyone traveling to the quilt or elsewhere (I personally will be
visiting Greensboro NC this weekend if any netters are around there)
this weekend, have a safe trip.  Take care all.
-Tina M. W.
 maire@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
 maire@drycas.bitnet

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From: rcrawfor@bell.susqu.edu
>To: gaynet@GALLIFREY.KENT.edu
>From: rcrawfor
Date: Thu Oct 8 01:17:23 EDT 1992
Phone: The I-House
Subject: lavender
Ua-Message-Id: <PMXSTAR-2.2.1a-rcrawfor-000000real-138>

        i was going to write this just for the person who asked the question,
but i decided to make it network-wide in case anyone else was wondering...


        from what i believe, the symbol of lavender comes from mixing the
color pink--the stereotypical color of girls and all things feminine, and
blue, the stereotypical color for boys and all things masculine.

        still looking for penpals......i live with the amish--i have lots of
free time on my hands.....i have no life!

        wondering  what you get when you multiply six by nine*,
        rob


*please--don't send letters wondering how the hell i made it into college if i
don't know what 6 * 9 is....this is--along with almost all my other farewells
to date--a reference to the _hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy_ trilogy by the
british sci-fi author douglas adams....those that know his work know that he
has a warped sense of humour, as do i.....


______ the pink triangle....membership has its privileges....
\    /
 \  /
  \/  out since 1987

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Date:         Thu, 08 Oct 92 03:00:35 EDT
From: "Joe B." <JCCJ@CORNELLA.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject:      Any info on these law schools???

Hi Gaynetters--
I am considering applying to the following law schools...could anyone at any of
 these law or undergraduate schools please send me any information you have reg
arding the lesbigay community, campus politics, or anything else that might be
of interest??

   Harvard Law
   Yale Law
   Columbia Law
   NYU Law
   U. of Michigan Law
   Duke Law
   U. of Penn. Law
   Stanford Law
   UCLA Law
   UC-Berkeley Law

Please send responses privately via e-mail (jccj@cornella.cit.edu).  Thanks!

Joe Barrios

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From: MPA15AB!RANDY@TRENGA.tredydev.unisys.com
Date: 08 OCT 92 03:26
Subject: Gay Cyberpunk

Someone was recently asking about glb cyberpunk.  If you find any, let
me know.  I remember in William Gibson's novels that glb was taken as
routine.  In once scene, the central character goes to a whorehouse in
order to be alone (the most expensive service of all, he says) and almost
responds "female" as an automatic response to the "Desired gender?" question.
The implication being that no one assumes a sexual orientation.

  =====================================================================
  = sua cuique voluptas              (everyone has his own pleasures) =
  = Randy Gellens            randy%mpa15ab@trenga.tredydev.unisys.com =
  = >>>>>>> If mail bounces, forward to rgellens@mcimail.com <<<<<<<< =
  = Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak only for myself =

                          Randomly selected tag:

When God endowed human beings with brains, He did not intend to
guarantee them.

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:13 MST
From: E69916AB@BOOTES.UNM.EDU
Subject: Help for a young Mexican friend

Dear Netters:

I have a gay friend in Mexico who is only 21 years of age and
is now seropositive for HIV.  He is rejected by his family and
others who do not understand.  He receives extremely poor
health care.  He is very depressed and suicidal and would desire
some contact with people from the U.S.  He reads and writes
English very well.  Anyone who has the time to send him letters
or cards of support may do so by writing him at:

                     Jose Luis Herrera R.
                     Privada "Las Lichas" #895
                     Colonia Samaniego
                     Ciudad Lerdo, Durango  35155
                                  MEXICO

He doesn't have a telephone or access to a computer.

Thank you all.

Eric

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Date: Thursday,  8 October 92 07:17:52 CST
From: LLRLF%UTXDP.BITNET@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: Maury Povich

Netters:
Next week, talk show host Maury Povich will present a discussion on celebrities
 and homosexuality, among his guests will be comedienne Kate Clinton.  The show
 airs next Wednesday on CBS (times are different around the country, so consult
 your local TV Guide or Tv listings for the playdate in your area).  Plan
ahead and mark your calenders so you can set up your VCR!

Richard Foster
UT Austin

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Date: 08 Oct 92 08:39:34 EST
From: Larry Goldsmith <LGOLDSMI@PENNSAS.UPENN.EDU>
Subject: "Are Homosexuals Born That Way?"

There's an excellent article in this week's _Nation_ (19 October 1992), by
Darrell Yates Rist, called "Are Homosexuals Born That Way?"  It's about the
dangers of a "We were born this way, we can't help it, so give us our
rights" politics that was discussed here a few weeks ago.  I think he
rather effectively demolishes the LeVay-ites....

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