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From: pfau@coffee.enet.dec.com (Thomas Pfau)
Subject: Re: Proposed addition to FAQ
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:54:39 GMT


In article <1jopa8INNipm@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, probreak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
(James Michael Chacon) writes...
>This is true, and I use it if I need the info when I am in X. But, 90-100%
>of the time when I exit X the information is still sitting on the screen.

When you are first trying to get your modedb setup, 90-100% of the time
you may be lucky to be able to read it.  Until I got a valid modedb line,
my monitor was totally out of sync when I exited X.

tom_p
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma)
Subject: Running an X application on a remote machine
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:25:38 GMT

I am trying to run a motif application on a remote machine and have it
displayed on my 386 with 16M RAM and a Diamond video card with 1M RAM.
The problem I have is that it displays really, really slow. I just
wonder what is the problem and what can I do to speed it up. Do I need
more memory, faster VGA card, faster CPU, or what ? Please help.

--
thanh
tma@encore.com
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: rhl20@cas.org (Robert H. Ledwith)
Subject: Re: VGA Card with Dotclock >= 100 Mhz or Genoa 7
Reply-To: rhl20@cas.org
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:19:00 GMT

I have a Genoa 7900 series VGA card and have successfully used it
using the LINUX/X11 setup.   When starting up X, the software interrogates
the card and gives me back a list of 16 clock speeds.  These include 28, 32,
40, 45, 50, 57, 63, 72, 80 and 90 MHz.  The 90 MHz is the fastest speed I have.
I have a CTX NI monitor and the limiting factors I have found weren't the 
clocks, but two other factors:
    1. Having only 1 MB ram on the card limited me to  ~ 1150 x 850  with 256 colors.
    2.  The CTX monitor could only accept horizontal signals between 30-37 & 
          47-50 KHz.  This turned out to be the real limitation in getting stable, 
          high-resolution pictures.  As I recall the MAG monitor has a much larger
          range than this.
          			- Bob Ledwith
From: bernd@iamk4515.mathematik.uni-karlsruhe.de (Bernd Wiebelt)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Help: Speedstar 24
Date: 28 Jan 1993 11:39:49 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: iamk4526.mathematik.uni-karlsruhe.de
Summary: Need Help to install Xwindows for Speedstar 24
Keywords: X Speedstar windows
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Ok, don't flame me. I know this must have been discussed to death 
somewhere. But I bought my Speedstar 24 yesterday, and until then
I have not been interested in the Diamond-thread.

The question is: is there a program which sets the clock-chip
to the appropriate values. I know that I can do this in DOS-Mode,
but then, I should be able do that in linux, too (before 
starting X). If there is a program for solving this problem, 
please mail it to me.

If there is not, does anyone has information about setting
the clock-chip? After all, I won`t get information from Diamond
if I've read some articles correctly, but it must be all in
the vga-bios. I could perhaps debug the code to find all the 
answers, but this would be rather stupid if someone has allready
done that.

Happy Linuxing, Bernd
 


Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: lubkin@cs.rochester.edu (Saul Lubkin)
Subject: xdvi display problem:  Some lines are distorted.
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:00:41 GMT

I'm having a problem with the display of xdvi.  While it generally works
well, some lines come out distorted.  Namely, they come partly "doubled up".
That is, these few lines seem to be partially printed twice, slightly offset
(vertically) from each other.  Somethines, a whole line comes out that way;
more often, part of a line.   The "doubling" is usually only partial -- that
is, part of the line is printed at one height, and part vertically offset a bit.

I'm using ISC Unix 3.0 (same problem with 2.2.1), a version of SVR3.2 for
the '386.  I've compiled with gcc, cc, and with every conceivable compile time
option -- including "-DNOTOOL", etc.  Dispalying with unshrunk fonts
("-s 1") doesn't help.  The same problem occurrs using Dell Unix SVR4.0.

I'm using MetroLink's X, X11R4 -- but, as I recall, I had the same problem
with other servers (e.g., ISC's native server).  I'm using an Orchid
ProDesigner card; but as I recall, I had the same problem with an earlier
Trident card (I think).  The monitor is an Idek Liyama; it's in SVGA
1024x768 mode, interlaced.  (But as I recall using the monitor in other
modes produces the shame problem.)

Using MetroLink's own compiled version of xdvi, under Dell Unix SVR4.0,
was no better.  (This was also compiled by MetroLink from an earlier
release of xdvi.)

This problem seems to exist only with the xdvi client.  I haven't seen
this problem with anything else -- including other TeX previewers.  So, I
suspect that it may be a bug in xdvi.  However, no one on any other platform,
to the best of my knowledge, has reporeted this peculiar problem.

Note:  This problem does not occur if one uses dvips and ghostscript to
preview dvi files.  Or, if one uses DOS and the ArborTeX previewer.

I'm perplexed.  I'd appreciate enlightenment from someone.  As I don't always
read this newsgroup, I'd appreciate email.  I'll summarize to the net when
the problem is solved.


		Sincerely yours,

		Saul Lubkin
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: dmuir@athena.mit.edu (Douglas Muir)
Subject: XFree86 with PEX for linux
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:47:22 GMT

I just finished building the mit source distribution for X11 R5 (with the
XFree86-1.1 patches) for linux 0.99pl4.  I included all the MIT extensions
including PEX.  The build went fine (lots of warnings, but no errors), and 
the server works, but none of the PEX samples work.  They just start spitting
out lots of error messages of the form:
PHIGS error -50 in OPEN PHIGS: Communication error
PHIGS error -1 in OPEN PHIGS: Ignoring function, cannot open PHIGS, cannot
create communication channel
PHIGS error 2 in OPEN WORKSTATION: Ignoring function, function requires state
(PHOP,*,*,*)
and so on...
Is there something I have to do to make this work?  I have TCP compiled into 
the kernel, but do not have an Ethernet card (I set the TCP stuff to yes in
site.def).  How does PEX communicate with the rest of X?  Any information
which may lead to a solution would be greatly appreciated.

								-Doug Muir


Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat)
Subject: Re: Xfree, X8514, and the ATI Ultra Pro
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:55:25 GMT

In article <FILO.93Jan22045848@doc.cc.utexas.edu> filo@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (John Filo) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm running Linux with Xfree and an ATI Ultra Pro on a Gateway Local Bus
> machine with no problems at all, which is causing me a bit of confusion.
> I know I shouldn't complain, since it works,
> but based on everything I've read, it shouldn't work.
> 
> According to the FAQ, Xfree does not currently support 8514, and hence
> should not work with the ATI Ultra Pro.  The FAQ recommends that you use
> X8514 instead.  The problem I'm having is that Xfree works fine with my
> machine, and when I try to get X8514 to run, it complains that my monitor
> is not an 8514 monitor.  So I have a few questions:
> 
> 	o Has 8514 support been added to Xfree, but not to the FAQ?

No.  The Ultra has both the 8514 and SVGA chipsets.  XFree86 has support
for the ATI SVGA, so that's what you're getting.

> 	o If not, and if I ever figure out how to get X8514 to run,
> 	  can I expect improved performance due to the fact that
> 	  Xfree isn't taking full advantage of the ATI board?

Dramatically.

> 
> Thanks,
> John Filo
> filo@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

At some point (don't ask me when) the functionality of XS3 and X8514 will
be fully merged with XFree86.  A large group of people from several
disjoint development groups are coming together to get this done.  As
many (most?) of these people are students, I expect that things will be 
slow until summer (this is what we witnessed last year).

--
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AT&T Bell Laboratories, 200 Laurel Ave - 3F-428, Middletown, NJ  07748

"The meaning of life?  That's simple.  Try to be happy, try not to hurt
 other people, and hope to fall in love."  -- Mallory Keaton
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: zafiris@rtsg.mot.com (John Zafiris)
Subject: S3 801 (Actix GraphicsEngine32)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:42:23 GMT

I've been looking into getting an S3 video card for use with X386 (the
X-window software) running over linux.  It seems the highest
performance cards supported by X386 drivers are S3 801 based.  That is
the conclusion I've drawn from last month's issue of Byte's comparison
of Windows accelerators.

It seems that from the Byte review the best card is the Actix
GraphicsEngine32.  A close runner up was the Orchid Fahrenheit 1280 VA
(the one with the Voice Annotation function which as far as I know is
not supported by linux).  I can find the Orchid card everywhere but I
cannot seem to find the superior Actix card anywhere.  I've looked
through the whole January Computer Shopper (no small feat) and could
not find anyone who sells any Actix product.

The question is:
Is there anyone out there who sells the Actix GraphicsEngine32?
Do you have one of these boards?  Where did you get it and how 
does it work with X and linux? 
 
thanks for any leads...                                 ...John
From: mike@sirius.kbsi.COM (Mike Futrell)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Viewsonic 5/Spdstr Hicolor Xconfig needed
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:30:19 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.kbsi.com


I'm looking for Xconfig params for a Diamond Speestar Hicolor/
Viewsonic 5 combination.  If anyone has this information, please
mail it to me or post it here.

Thanks!
Mike Futrell

mfutrell@kbsi.com

Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat)
Subject: Re: Accessing video memory bypassing Xserver
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:08:01 GMT

In article <C19usA.Jvv@lut.fi> junki@lut.fi (Juha Nurmela) writes:
> In article <1993Jan22.004818.1494@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, dwex@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.e.wexelblat) writes:
> |> Any particular reason that the MITSHM extension doesn't already do what
> |> you're after?  If you're using an ET4000, I think you would be (very)
> |> hard pressed to find a faster way to do this than creating shared-memory
> |> pixmaps, and then XCopyArea'ing the whole pixmap to the screen.  Unless
> |> you want to reimplement SpeedUp (which I don't recommend).
> |> 
> This sounds good. I had scanned the manual pages for something like this
> before I posted my question, but they didn't mention MITSHM anywhere.
> Should have taken a look at /usr/include/X11/extensions/...
> Can't get away without recompiling the server, however. This extension
> might not exist in the XFree86 for 386BSD by default.

No, it does not exist on 386BSD right now, because it's currently written
for SYSV shared memory segments.  I would imagine, though, that it would
take half a day's work to make it work with mmap().

> 
> --
> Juha Nurmela, expert historian.


Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: schase@xcalibur.mitre.org (Steven Chase)
Subject: swap space
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:44:28 GMT

I partitioned 25 megs on my hard disk for swap space.  I
think all that I have to do is add a line in my
/etc/fstab so that the swapon -a will recognize this
as swap space.  I'm not sure if I have to use
disklabel, but if I do I don't know how.  Can someone
give me a sample of their /etc/fstab file which 
defines a partition as being swap.

My /etc/fstab looks like:
/dev/wd0a		/		ufs rw 1 1
/dev/wd1a		/usr		ufs rw 1 2

The 25 meg partition is on /dev/wd1a.

Please send mail to schase@cyclone.mitre.org if you can help.
Thank you.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: howard@comperex.cx.oz.au (Andrew Howard)
Subject: Re: Just general help, please...
Reply-To: howard@comperex.cx.oz.au (Andrew Howard)
Organization: Comperex Australia Pty Limited
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 07:37:12 GMT
Keywords: X, Xwindows, 386, 486, unix, slip

We do  a lot of low bandwidth X here and generally find that the performance of SLIP 
to be pretty bad with X.  (about 3 minutes to open  a window ) 
 
In general we recommend Xremote from NCD which provides a  compressed protocol 
designed for efficient transport of X protocol requests. Xremote is available in NCD 
Xterminals, on PC's using NCD Xview for Windows or DOS or alternately on PC's 
using Visionware Xvision.

Xremote is also rumored to be a component of X11 release 6 Low Bandwidth project. 


Andrew J Howard                         Phone : +61 2 878 5888
NCD Products Manager                    Fax   : +61 2 878 6042
Comperex Australia                      E-mail: howard@comperex.cx.oz.au
From: probreak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (James Michael Chacon)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Re: Proposed addition to FAQ
Date: 23 Jan 1993 01:03:16 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

pfau@coffee.enet.dec.com (Thomas Pfau) writes:


>In article <1jopa8INNipm@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, probreak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
>(James Michael Chacon) writes...
>>This is true, and I use it if I need the info when I am in X. But, 90-100%
>>of the time when I exit X the information is still sitting on the screen.

>When you are first trying to get your modedb setup, 90-100% of the time
>you may be lucky to be able to read it.  Until I got a valid modedb line,
>my monitor was totally out of sync when I exited X.

>tom_p

That never happens to me, what version of XFree86 are you running? I only
have heard on 1.0Ya doing that. And that was an alpha version that never
should have been released to the general public.

Whenever I leave X, no matter what video card I use, it resets the video 
mode back to normal every time.

James
From: filo@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (John Filo)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Xfree, X8514, and the ATI Ultra Pro
Date: 22 Jan 93 04:58:48
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: comp
NNTP-Posting-Host: doc.cc.utexas.edu

Hi,

I'm running Linux with Xfree and an ATI Ultra Pro on a Gateway Local Bus
machine with no problems at all, which is causing me a bit of confusion.
I know I shouldn't complain, since it works,
but based on everything I've read, it shouldn't work.

According to the FAQ, Xfree does not currently support 8514, and hence
should not work with the ATI Ultra Pro.  The FAQ recommends that you use
X8514 instead.  The problem I'm having is that Xfree works fine with my
machine, and when I try to get X8514 to run, it complains that my monitor
is not an 8514 monitor.  So I have a few questions:

	o Has 8514 support been added to Xfree, but not to the FAQ?
	o If not, and if I ever figure out how to get X8514 to run,
	  can I expect improved performance due to the fact that
	  Xfree isn't taking full advantage of the ATI board?

Thanks,
John Filo
filo@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: QUERY:  possible port of XFree86 Xlib to IBM OS/2 2.1 beta
Date: 25 Jan 1993 01:06:50 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: neuro.usc.edu

OS/2 2.1 beta provides a pretty decent X11R4 server plus a small number
of binary demo applications including xhello.  However, no Xlib library
is available commercially or otherwise from IBM or other third parties.

What preprequisites are required in order to port the XFree86 library
to a new operating system?  The $15.00 OS/2 2.1 beta PDK (programmer's
development kit) includes 32 bit C/C++ compiler, linkers, debuggers,
TCP/IP libraries, and full documentation for these products.  What are
the requirements for simply porting the Xlib library to a new system?

Apart from porting the X11R4 Xlib library to OS/2 2.1 beta, what would
be require to port the X11R5 version of XFree86 server, libraries, and
clients to OS/2 2.1 beta?  It would be nice to be able to use the PEX
library calls & a window manager other than IBM's Presentation Manager
under the OS/2 2.1 beta system.

The IBM C compiler accepts 32 bit OMF libraries.

Thanks, AJ

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From: dmw@teal.csn.org (Dave Warner)
Subject: Re: Xfree, X8514, and the ATI Ultra Pro
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: comp
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:29:47 GMT

thomas@dagobert.uni-duisburg.de (Thomas Scheunemann) writes:

        [ stuff deleted ]

>The advantage of the X8514 driver for the Pro and Plus is that it should be
>faster than using the VGA-based X-server. I don't know if this is still true
>for local bus or EISA cards.

Yes, X8514 is much faster.  Below are xbench results from both servers
on the same hardware.

==================================
Gateway 2000 4DX2-66V, 8Mb
ATI Ultra Pro, local bus
Xfree1.1, no tcp
Linux0.99.1, 1024x768
==================================
TOTAL    193536 lineStones
TOTAL     22459 fillStones
TOTAL     10049 blitStones
TOTAL   4052466 arcStones
TOTAL    212437 textStones
TOTAL     24836 complexStones
TOTAL     31045 xStones

==================================
Gateway 2000 4DX2-66V, 8Mb
ATI Ultra Pro, local bus
X8514, no tcp
Linux0.99.1, 1024x768
==================================
TOTAL    185822 lineStones
TOTAL     55528 fillStones
TOTAL     36191 blitStones
TOTAL   5236912 arcStones
TOTAL    134406 textStones
TOTAL     92614 complexStones
TOTAL     79209 xStones

dave
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: marelli@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (Paolo Marelli)
Subject: Which Graphics Ultra ?
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:46:54 GMT

I have a couple of question about XS3 and accelerated cards.
I'm going to buy an S3 card for XS3. I read that the best choice
both for compatibility and performances is the ATI Graphics Ultra.
But looking at the price list of ATI, I find many Graphics Ultra
cards. This is exactly what I find:

GRAPHICS ULTRA ACCEL SVGA 1280X     (1024I 1MB  16-CLR 76HZ 1024x768 256C)       $317
GRAPHICS ULTRA PRO 1MB  SVGA 1280X  (1024NI 1MB  256K-CLR 74HZ ISA ACCEL)        $451
GRAPHICS ULTRA PRO 2MB  SVGA 1280X  (1024NI 2MB  256K-CLR 74HZ ISA ACCEL)        $537
GRAPHICS ULTRA+ 1MB  1024x768NI     (1MB 65K-CLR 74HZ 16.7MCLR@800x600NI)        $292
GRAPHICS ULTRA+ 2MB  1024x768NI     (1MB 65K-CLR 74HZ 16.7MCLR@800x600NI)        $341

So, does anyone know which is the right ( or the best) one for XS3 ?

Also I'd like to know if someone have compiled XS3 for AT&T SYSV
or clones (Consensys, Dell ... ). Where can I found binaries for it ?

Thanks,
  Paolo Marelli

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From: ac116@city.ac.uk (Tarkan)
Subject: SVGA cards compatilible with 
Summary: can these cards work with X and 386BSD
Keywords: SVGA X
Organization: The City University
Distribution: comp
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:40:43 GMT


could anyone tell me if the following cards can work wit
X-windows and 386BSD

Pro-Designer II ??? by orchid i think
and a Realtek based SVGA card with 1mB memory??

thanks


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From: bussmann@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (lucas bussmann)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: VGA Card with Dotclock >= 100 Mhz or Genoa 7900
Date: 21 Jan 1993 08:55:19 GMT
Organization: TU Darmstadt
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rbhp67.rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de
Keywords: VGA Card Genoa 7900 Dotclock

I'm looking for a VGA-Card supporting dotclocks above 100 Mhz. 
I like to use it with XFree 386 and a MAG 17inch monitor. 

1. I've seen a posting about a GENUA 7900 VGA-card with that 
   dotclock. Is that true?

2. If you know a supplier for that or another VGA-card please send the 
   address and the specifications for this  via e-mail to 

bussmann@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de

Thanks a lot for every information!

Lucas Bussmann



Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: mengel@dcdmwm.fnal.gov (Marc Mengel)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Proposed addition to FAQ
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:18:06 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia IL
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dcdmwm.fnal.gov
Keywords: startup problems, etc.

We should mention in the FAQ that when starting the X server to debug
problems you should run "X >& errors" in csh or "X > errors 2>&1" because
the output to stdout/stderr gets lost when the server starts up.  This is 
fairly obvious once you think of it; but you can spend days not finding out you
don't have a default font if you don't think of it...

-------
Marc Mengel
mengel@fnal.fnal.gov
From: probreak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (James Michael Chacon)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Re: ======= The Free Widget Foundation(FWF) ======
Date: 21 Jan 1993 02:43:22 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

So just how many time is this going to get posted???
In the previous ones, I noticed the same information at least 3 times in 
one post. And saw three of those.

James
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: jtsilla@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu (James Tsillas)
Subject: Re: xhost doesn't work Xfree86
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:54:33 GMT


There is a bug with ISC in that if you have a local connection by
setting your display to ":0.0" or "unix:0.0" xhost will not work. Try
setting you DISPLAY variable to your hostname:0.0 and then doing xhost.

We are aware of this problem and will try to fix.

regards,
-Jim.

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