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From: stoer@hal.nta.no (Stoer Mechthild FNT)
Subject: Re: Willy Brandt, dead
Keywords: tot 
Organization: Norwegian Telecom Research
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 11:50:35 GMT

Gestern fragte mich jeder hier in Norwegen:
"Weisst Du schon, Willy Brandt ist tot"?
Dagbladet brachte gestern zwei Seiten Reportage ueber Willy Brandt,
und die Aftenposten schrieb heute, unter anderem:

"Fuer Norwegen bedeutete Willy Brandt etwas Besonderes,
nachdem er vor dem deutschen Nazismus hierher geflohen war.
(...) Er war Journalist fuers Arbeiderbladet, norwegischer Staatsbuerger 
von 1940-1948 und danach Norwegens Presseattache in Berlin,
womit seine politische Karriere ernsthaft ihren Anfang nahm.
Er holte sich Impulse aus der Praxis der norwegischen Arbeiterbewegung, 
und daempfte die Grundsatzstreitigkeiten in der eigenen.
Die Resultate der Politik fuer den einzelnen, 
das war sein erklaerter Masstab.
Fuer Norwegen und fuer ganz Europa personifizierte er
ein anderes Deutschland, welches schliesslich -- durch demokratische Wahl --
dem jungen Fluechtling das oberste politische Amt anvertraute.
Norwegen dankte ihm mit dem Friedensnobelpreis. (...) "

Mechthild Stoer
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: taube@isa.de (Christian Taube)
Subject: Willy Brandt is dead
Organization: ISA GmbH, W-7000 Stuttgart 1, Germany
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:56:25 GMT

Willy Brandt, 1913 - 1992

Former Lord Mayor of Berlin, Bundeskanzler 1969 - 1974, Nobel Peace
Prize 1972.  Head of the Social Democratic Party in Germany 1964 -
1987.

Died in his house in Unkel/near Bonn, late Thursday night.

He will be sorely missed, to be sure.

Christian


-- 
Christian Taube (taube@isa.de), ISA GmbH, 7000 Stuttgart 1, Germany
Any opinions expressed are mine, and mine only! Thought for today:
These are the scientists of the impulse engine "Enterprise."  Her 5-year
mission - to logically go where no shuttle has gone before.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: glinden@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Friend in Kassel
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:48:09 GMT


	One of my friends is studing in Kassel Germany. He couldn't get a vax
account, but I don't know why. He will be there until christmas, so if anyone
in Kassel has a vax account, could you please E-mail me? Thanks
From: boenig@ze8.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de (Wolfgang B"onig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Rhein-Main-Donau Kanal (was: Re: verschiedenes)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:52:34 GMT
Organization: Heinrich-Heine Universitaet Duesseldorf
NNTP-Posting-Host: 134.99.128.18

In article <BvpLEJ.Dot@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kurrer@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu (Christian Kurrer) writes:

>... geloescht ...
>Interessant koennte dieser Kanal aber fuer die regionale Entwicklung in  
>Mittel- und Sued-Ost-Europa werden. Sued-Ost europaische Firmen, die nun  
>... geloescht ...
>
>Christian Kurrer

Kaum jemand wird auf das Schiff setzen, wenn - bedingt durch die hohe
direkte und vor allem indirekte Subventionierung des Lkw - dieser so
wenige Kosten verursacht, dass sein Zeitvorteil ins Gewicht faellt.
Das, was jetzt per Schiff transportiert werden kann, koennte auch per
Bahn transportiert werden. Evtl. erforderliche Investitionen waeren 
geringer gewesen, die Umweltauswirkungen ohnehin. Zudem lassen sich 
neue Bahntrassen weit vielfaeltiger nutzen als Schiffahrtswege - z.B.
fuer Personenverkehr oder als Umleitungen bei Betriebsstoerungen auf
anderen Bahnstrecken.
 
 
yeti sapiens sapiens
 
 
'Im uebrigen bin ich der Meinung,
             da wir das Apfelbaeumchen pflanzen sollten.

                      Die Zeit draengt.'
From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: German students in the USA?
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:50:00 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <pebi.718298505@sirocco.aem.umn.edu>, pebi@aem.umn.edu (Peter A. Bidi
an) writes:
>kim@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Ellis Kim) writes:
>
>
>>Hi!
>>I was wondering if there are any german students in the USA or if there
>>is someone who knows of any german students here in the states who might
>>be willing to answer a question.
>>My brother is thinking of coming over to the states to study.
>>He is german. Can you give me any information on the kind of forms you
>>need to fill out in what order to fill them out and what other bureau
>>cratic things there are to be considered.
>>For example: Do you first apply to a university and then apply for the
>>student visa?  Or is it the other way around?  How long does it take to
>
>Yes, you apply first to the University. If they accept you, they will
>send you an I20 form which one has to fill out (to show that you have
>enough funds). You need that I20 form to get the visa. I got my visa
>the same day.
>
>>obtain a student visa?  If he wants to start in January, is he cutting
>>it a little close timewise?  Is he permitted to work while here (i cannot
>>afford to pay tuition and support him at the same time)?
>
>It depends rather on the U if he can start in January. He is not allowed
>to work off-campus. He can apply for some sort of permit after a year.
>Details can be found at your local office of international education.
>If he is your brother I think he should apply for a green card. That shouldn't
>be to hard. You might want to inquire that at your local INS office
>(they also have an 800 number).
>
>>he most likely is going to want to stay in the states after finishing
>
>That is not impossible. I thin k it depends a lot on his chance to get
>a job afterwards.
>
>Good luck with the red tape,
>
>Peter
>
>
>
>===============================================================================
>Peter Bidian                                        Internet: pebi@aem.umn.edu
>Dept. of Aerospace Eng.                                     Bitnet:    AE02022@
UMNACVX
>University of Minnesota                                     phone:      (612) 6
25-1346
>===============================================================================
>
I also think there is a limit to the number of hours he may work at the
University per week.  Again, the University should be able to give all the
particulars.

Good luck!  I hope your brother enjoys his time here and, if he stays, I hope
he has nothing but good experiences.
  
-- 

        ***********************
        *   Gail A. Fullman   *
        *   Manager - ADMO    *
        *   Ext. 83113        *
        ***********************
From: admerlev@sundae.triumf.ca ( Arnd Merlevede )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: internet address
Date: 13 Oct 1992 18:33:19 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
Reply-To: admerlev@cipy.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: sundae.triumf.ca
Keywords: internet address

pmohseni@iastate.edu () writes:

>Can someone please send me the internet address of Wurzburg University in Germany?  

e.g. wrzv01.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de

>Thank you.

>Piroz Mohseni           
>Iowa State University     
>                        
><pmohseni@iastate.edu>  

> 
--
Any replies appreciated to : Arnd.Merlevede@cipy.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de
I hate to tell you, but you're only being simulated on the new cray !
(sdb: Would you like to save a backup of YOUR coredump ?)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: weberwu@inf.fu-berlin.de (Debora Weber-Wulff)
Subject: Violence update 15.10.92
Reply-To: dww@inf.fu-berlin.de
Organization: Free University of Berlin
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:01:17 GMT

Hmmm. No reports in either tagespiegel or taz, both yesterday and
today. Have things really quited down, or is some sort of 
(perhaps self-imposed) gag order in effect?

There is a beating reported from Monday that I missed, some Polish
citizens were sleeping in an unlocked bus in Germany near the German
boarder. They were brutally beaten and robbed, there are no clues as
to the identities or nationalities of the perpertrators.

There have been about 70 calls to the police hot-line on
Sachsenhausen, including one anonymous one. The police published
a call for that person to please call again.

The (n+1)th iteration of the asylum code is being discussed by
the political parties.

I was at the exhibition opening for Guenter Grass on Tuesday. Bjoern
Engholm gave one of the speeches, and pleaded for his version of
"the boat is full, we have to stemm the tide". Grass, a vehement
opponent of changing the constitution, fought back in reading a
new essay he wrote, "Loblied auf Willy", including a description of
Willy Brandt's life as a refugee.

One note from the taz: Three copies of a 28-page pamphlet in
rhymed couplets titled "Der Asylbetrueger in Deutschland", the
refugee con-artist in Germany, have appeared in Fax-machines in
the Berlin area. One bears the sending address of a large German
automobile manufacturer, who when asked said that someone must have
been doing a "joke". The taz prints one of the couplets:
"Herr Asylbewerber, na wie geht's?" -- "O, ganz gut, bring 
Deutschen AIDS", and notes that the Berlin DA office is considering
whether to open proceedings on this. [Germany, the land of poets.]

-- 
Debora Weber-Wulff                       dww@inf.fu-berlin.de
Institut fuer Informatik                 +49 30 89691 124
Nestorstr. 8-9                           (INCLUDE "standard.disclaimer")
D-W-1000 Berlin 31                       (PRINTN (WITTY-MESSAGE TODAY))
From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Lokalpatriotismus
Date: 13 Oct 1992 16:16:43 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu

 psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack) writes:
>>PS: yep, a slow night in Texas; widows and doors open, fan running,
                                 ^^^^^^^

>great job, Werner, Freudian slip of the week! :-)))))))

	call it "wishful thinking"  ;-)  the only "widows" crawling
	around at night near my place are the Black ones ...

	
>>	no A/C !!!! :-))  water-temperature 79 degrees F still !!!	:-))
>
>must be the temperature and the huimidity...

	(no, actually it is this damn new keyboard giving me fits!)

	you probably have started wondering why Werner is posting so
	much all of a sudden again - well, now you know, I need to
	practice doing something relatively irrelevant ....
								:-)
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From: alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Thorsten Altenkirch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Reise nach Jerusalem
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:55:54 GMT
Organization: LFCS, Edinburgh

In article <1992Oct8.140420.19226@rhrk.uni-kl.de> andrick@sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de (Ulf Andrick [Biologie]) writes:
   handeln? So manches Kinderlied hat einen ernsten
   Hintergrund (Schlaf, Kindchen, schlaf...).

	Deine Mutter ist ein Schaf
	Dein Vater ist in Pommerland
	Pommerland ist abgebrannt
	Schlaf Kindlein schlaf

Meinst Du das ? :-)

--
Thorsten Altenkirch		LFCS, Edinburgh

"Germany still proves reluctant to exchange email with other countries 
efficiently" - Summer 1992 Systems Newsletter, Dep. of CS,Edinburgh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: chbs23@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: German Unification Modelling
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:27:31 GMT


Is there anyone woring on the German reunification modelling ?

I am working on this topic now and would like to contact people 
with same interests.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,alt.politics.ec
From: anlyyao@igc.apc.org (An-Ly Yao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Zugang zu BITNET in Deutschland?
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:09:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1473000047:000:906
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Oct  7 08:09:00 1992


 
Re: INTERNET/BITNET Host gesucht
 
Im Deutschland suche ich einen Host, bei dem ich eine E-Mailbox mit
eigener INTERNET Adresse einrichten kann.
 
	- Zugang: dial-up (und moeglichst im Raum Muenchen, und auch via DATEX)
	- Gateways: INTERNET, BITNET/EARN (moeglichst auch Telex, FAX)
	- Newsgroup Support: BITNET/EARN (moeglichst auch APC und UUCP)
	- Up-/Downloads: X-/Y-/ZMODEM (moeglichst auch mit Kompression)
 
Ich muss den Netzzugang selbst bezahlen, d.h. ohne Hilfe des Steuerzahlers :-)
In USA zahle ich etwa US$ 15 Grundgebuehr fuer den oben beschriebenen Service.
Ist man in Deutschland auch schon soweit? (Wann erreicht ComLink den Standard
von APC Systemen?)
 
Anwendung: nicht-kommerziell, Kontakt meiner Frau zu Kollegen (Entomologie)
und zu LISTSERVern (speziell ENTOMO-L@VM.UOGUELPH.CA).
 
Goetz Kluge
anlyyao@igc.apc.org (das ist IGC's EcoNet)
z.Zt. Seoul, Korea
1992/09/17
1992/10/08
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Oje, Seiters
Date: 8 Oct 1992 16:42:01 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu



> To play with statistics:
> There is an 230% increase in the murders, where foreigners where the
> victims!!! And people keep telling me it is paranoia.

	I hate to play "devil's advocate" for this particular case, but:

	what increase was there in the number of foreigners?
	what increase in crime committed by foreigners?
	doesn't everybody know that "just statistics" are the crutch
	of those who don't understand enough to verbalize the deeper
	context ?!?

	and in no way do I have any intentions to side with Seiters, but:


AT>Under present laws right-wing extremists arrested in connection with
AT>violence aimed at foreigners are often immediately released by police on
AT>grounds that they are not expected to flee.

	the question is, of course, are they treated any more lenient than
	had they committed the offense against a native ?!?


AT>The proposed law change would allow police to detain right-wing
AT>extremists if there are grounds to believe they would repeat such crimes.

Wrong!!! He didn't do basic homeworks for politicians.

	Carl, you optimist!   :-))

The existing laws should be enforced.

	absolute-positively !!

They are sufficient to cope with the violent effects of the rising Nazism 
in Germany.

	I never saw reason to doubt that, since I've been gased and beaten
	by police during (my) peaceful demonstrations against the Vietnam
	War ...  and since Baader-Meinhoff and Munich Olympics, I understand
	that they have "improved" in what they will and can do (and get away
	with).

We have seen, what the rigid laws against Nazism in the former GDR created

	pretty irrelevant analogy.

My suspicion is, that this opportunity is used to create more power for the
state _against_ the citizens. The state exists _for_ the citizens, not the
other way round!

	yep, that's my line of "suspicion" and thinking also ...
	"broad measures" to defend against the scorpion's sting;

	VERRRRY  much NOT appreciated !!!
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.german:7107 alt.politics.ec:85 alt.politics.europe.misc:36
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,alt.politics.ec,alt.politics.europe.misc
Subject: Re: ZDF in Copenhagen & The end of democracy
Date: 11 Oct 1992 01:56:45 GMT
Organization: sgi
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com
Keywords: Tv-stations ought to give correct reports about EC-events

In article <1992Oct10.173656.29884@daimi.aau.dk>, simonl@daimi.aau.dk (Simon Laub) writes:
|>
|>  [much deleted, see the original post]
|> 
|> 'Why yet another referendum , why should we care about the
|> details of democracy , while other countries doesnt discuss
|> it , doesnt hold referendums about it and doesnt care
|> about upholding the deals anyway (e.g. Italy )' .

Well, I'm puzzled.   Do you want a referendum or not?   When
situations change do you want another chance to vote or not?

If your attitude is "We turned it down once, and we have to
stick to that even if Maastricht itself changes" then I don't
see how you particularly qualify as a democrat yourself.

What does it matter to you how other countries arrange
their choices?    The tradition of government by referendum
is not uniform across Europe.    Some countries use them a 
lot, and some very rarely.    If the Italians or the British 
leave the decision to their Parliament, what does that matter
to Danes?

I'm afraid that I question your whole approach here.   It
seems to me that you are trying to impeach the decision
process.   But when you have twelve separate countries
trying to decide whether or not to adhere to a Treaty
which is itself a topic for discussion and negotiation,
I don't see what else you would expect except a certain 
amount of difference in the way they go about it.

I think that the only way to reach closure on this is
for each country to make its own decision about how
to decide.   Leave the British to agitate for a referendum
if they want one, and if they don't care enough to
agitate, then it's hardly your business, is it?

jon
Xref: sparky soc.culture.german:7219 de.soc.recht:1043
From: silber@orfeo.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Silber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,de.soc.recht
Subject: Randbemerkung zum 'thread' :: Re: Willy Brandts Tod
Date: 14 Oct 1992 18:02:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: orfeo

In article <1992Oct14.122119.29815@rhrk.uni-kl.de> weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Christoph Weber-Fahr [KIT])  bestreitet den Satz 
mit dem ich das Zitat der Hetzaussage des Herrn Vieweg erroefnete:
>>Danach schrieb ein echter deutscher Volksgenosse:

C.W.-F. kritisiert:
>...etwas sicherlich geschmackloses. Aber Geschmacklosigkeit mit "echt deutsch"
>gleichzusetzen, ist eine Beleidigung fuer alle Bewohner dieses Landes.

 Ich glaube, Sie missverstehen die Ironie die ich mit der Bezeichnung
 ,,echter deutscher Volksgenosse'' erzielt habe.  Mister Vieweg hatte
 schreckliche faschistoide Bemerkungen u"ber Willy Brandt geschrieben,
 ich wollte mit der Bezeichnung ,,echter deutscher Volksgenosse'' nicht
 auf jeden Deutschen deuten, sondern auf ihn, herrn Vieweg, Verfasser
 der Hetzaussage u"ber Brandt.  Die Bezeichnung ,,deutscher Volksgenosse''
 , ein Wort hinter welchem zwar ein '(NS)' im Woerterbuch steht ,
 soweit ich weiss bezieht sich gerade auf nazis und nicht auf alle Deutsche !

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Willy Brandt tot
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:12:20 GMT

There is a nice article about Willy Brandt in the last issue of
NEWSWEEK.

-Danny Keren.
From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Violence update 9.10.92
Date: 13 Oct 1992 01:20:34 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu



	Stefan, Joern,

	if your news-software cannot be configured to disallow posting
	articles which contain more quoted than original text, please
	use "manual control".

	Much obliged!  (just reread this thread again, if you are not
	sure if I have a valid point.  thanks.)

			---Werner
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: kdv@rimeda.lt.su (Dmitry V. Kolomoitsev)
Subject: Das Bildbuch "Das Beste aus Litauen"
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 10:11:57 GMT
Reply-To: kdv@rimeda.lt.su
Organization: Rimeda

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