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From: pkedrosk@student.business.uwo.ca (Paul S. Kedrosky)
Subject: Stowe Conditions Anyone?
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:24:14 GMT

Has anyone been up/over/down to Stowe lately? I'll be there in a week
and I'm desperately hoping that things have picked up (a lot) since
Christmas.

Thanks,

Paul

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: tom@uts.amdahl.com (Tom Goodwin)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: tire chains
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:51:00 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

From article <C0I15v.CKw@srgenprp.sr.hp.com>, by glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker):
> Tom Goodwin (tom@uts.amdahl.com) wrote:
> 
>> R3 is chains for all;  probably to slow people down as much as anything.
>>    This is why you need to carry chains.  You don't see this a lot.
>> 
>> R4 *I think* is 4WD with chains only, no 2WD.  
> 
>  Close. There are only 3 levels in Ca. What Tom has listed as R4 is 
>  actually R3. We actually saw a fair ammount of R3 on local roads last
>  week in Tahoe (particularly Brockaway Summit). I-80 rarely goes R3, they
>  just close it.
> 
What I meant by R4 was 2WD vehicles not allowed at all;  I thought this
existed (on back roads and such), but I certainly wouldn't swear to it.

It sometimes amazes me what you can do with chains (as opposed to cables)
and a heavy 2wd car.  Last week I came upon a CHP patrol car down this
unplowed road with 1 1/2 feet of snow.  He was thrashing around a lot, but
made it through without assistance.  (He'd been busy writing tickets for
parking on the road in the way of the plows)

Tom
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.photo
From: rao@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Govindaraju Rao)
Subject: Re: Help photographing in snow
Keywords: photography, lighting, skiing
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:02:51 GMT

 
[  details of photographing skiers deleted]

>>What's good film, ASA, any problems with equipment in cold weather (I
>>have a Minolta X-700 with a couple of zoom lenses I plan to take).

  Here in the Canadian prairies my Minolta X-700 does not function
  in temperatures below -15 C. The user's manual offers the remedy of
  concealing the camera under your jacket, thereby keeping it
  warm, and extricating it just before use. Take your shot and
  reinsert it back under your jacket. 
 
  Be prepared to face this problem. Perhaps a few pratice sessions,
  (so that you can be "fast on the draw" :-) ) may help.  

  Then there is the problem of your breath condensing on and 
  fogging up the eyepiece. Does not give you much time to 
  compose and focus. One remedy (suggested by someone in rec.photo)
  was to put your lips to the eyepiece and take a deep breath
  through the mouth. i.e. suck the moisture back into your 
  lungs.
 
  Finally, carry spare batteries and store them someplace warm
  such as close to your body. 
   
-- 
G.S.K. Rao <rao@ccm.umanitoba.ca> <rao@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
 
GRAD STUDENT'S GRACE:  Please God !! If it MUST crash .... not when
                       *I* am using it !!
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: djm@kbs.citri.edu.au (David Mills)
Subject: Re: Info on Chamonix?
Keywords: France
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute
Date:  8 Jan 93 04:37:12 GMT

eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2) writes:

>dai@kevlar.webo.dg.com (David Iwatsuki) writes:

>>I just booked myself onto a group tour to Chamonix, France for mid-feb '93.
>>(I've never skied in Europe, so might as well start there!)

>>Any advice and impressions from those in the know?

>David, boy are you in for a treat! 

Agreed.  Great area.

>Chamonix is IMHO the best skiing area in the Alps. Great skiing, nice night 
>lifem beutiful village. The best skiing (again IMHO) is at Argientiere (sp?)

Its Argentiere (I think).

>a village at the end of the valley. The area I'm thinking of is called Grand
>Monets (I _think_. My memory for names is horribly bad.). It starts with a big
>cabin lift at the valley floor. Mid-feb isn't by any chance week 6 (7th - 14th 
>feb), is it? I'm in Argientiere (sp ? again) that week.

The lift you mention sounds more like Le Grand Montes (mon-tey).  But my
spelling is probably wrong.  The vertical drop from the top of Le Grand Montes
to the bottom (the village of Argentiere) is 2700m (8860ft).  The vertical
drop at Whistler/Blackcomb is about 1750m (5800ft).  So Argentiere has more
than half again on anything in the USA or Canada.

In all its also a very challenging resort.  On average about 100 people die in
the area (Argentiere/Chamonix) each year.  About 80% of those are rock or ice
climbing, but up to 30 skiers a year get killed in avalanches or by dropping
down crevasses.

Two things I'd recommend before skiing in the area: one is radar reflectors,
and the other is good accident insurance that will pay for a helicopter rescue
(all injuries in these areas are transported by helicopter from the slope
unless you're right near the bottom).  Radar reflectors are there pieces of
heavy duty tape with a small piece of metal embedded in them that the radars
used by the French rescue teams will pick up.  You stick them to your ski
boots.  They will give you some chance of being dug up alive if you get caught
in an avalanche.

Have fun!

	david
	CITRI
	Australia.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: jgiddens@mta.ca
Subject: skiing in UTAH
Reply-To: jgiddens@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:15:56 GMT

I

If you want the best skiing, I highly recommend Snowbird. They had 200 
inches of snow before Christmas and several feet of fresh powder. It was
the best. Where would you recommend for a week vacation? 
				I'd rather be skiing,
							Jason

please e-mail me at   JGIDDENS@MTA.CA
From: mcole@sub-40 (Mary Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: info wanted on iron, bear, dodge
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:19:43 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

Does anybody have information on the conditions at Iron Mountain, Bear, or  
Dodge Ridge as of 1/12? Thanks
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rvn@icd.teradyne.com (Rafael Vidaillet)
Subject: Re: Boston ski club?
Reply-To: rvn@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:27:49 GMT

>Is there a Boston Ski Club or other joinable group of skiers in the
>Boston/NH/VT area? I am looking for frequent ski partners, am wondering
>who's out there.

Yeap there is.  I'm not a member but I happen to have their 'flyer':
	
	Boston Ski & Sports Club
	214 Lincoln St.
	Allston, MA 02134
	(617)789-4070
	membership: $55 year.
	
Hope this helps.
	
_RV

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From: smmyers@foghorn.srv.pacbell.com (Sean Myers)
Subject: Re: N Tahoe region 1/2
Organization: Pacific Bell OSSEM
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:02:45 GMT

In article <C0CrAr.8s1@inews.Intel.COM>, jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece) writes:
|
|> 
|> These were kind of interesting.  Snowboarders fell in deep powder and
|> *suffocated*.  I just got a blackly humorous mental image of a new
|> Life Alert "I've fallen and can't get up" commercial.
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> John Reece			"This lifeboat is full"	
|> Not an Intel spokesman 			 


     Actually one suffocated and the other died of exposure.  I wonder if had 
they been on skiis and able to just pop out of them, would they have survived.
Although I don't know if that had anything to do with it.  I couldn't tell from
the report that I heard.



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From: dlawren@salsa.abq.bdm.com (David P. Lawrence)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: New Mexico Ski Report (1/11/93)
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:02:43 GMT
Organization: BDM International, Inc.  Albuquerque, NM  505-848-5000
NNTP-Posting-Host: salsa.abq.bdm.com

New Mexico (and Purgatory) ski report as of Monday morning 
Jan. 11, 1993 :

            Base   New (24hrs.)    Week totals    Current Weather
Taos         82"       7"             ***             snowing
Purgatory    73"      13"             48"             snowing
Ski Apache   47"      12"             25"             snowing
Santa Fe    105"      ***             55"             snowing
Angel Fire   60"       7"             ***             snowing
Red River    60"      10"             ***             snowing

   I skied Santa Fe Saturday.  There was an amazing amount of snow! The
powder was MUCH heavier than usual NM powder and required as much
unweighting as possible to make nice turns.  One of my skis came off
on the first run of the day while I was attempting to make first tracks
in the trees.  I had a spinning type head first dive as my other ski dug
deep.  Somehow I managed to whack a tree with my head and ended up
covered with several feet of snow with only my (slightly bleeding) head
above the snow.  It took me about 20 minutes to dig out and to
find my lost ski!  I should have had leashes on my skiis or at least
some flourescent ribbons.  There are some lessons to be learned here:
1) Even good skiers have BAD crashes sometimes  2) It is a VERY good idea
to ski with a buddy  3) All powder is not created equal.  I can usually
relax and just blast through the powder but this stuff was different!
   The rest of the day was excellent! Nice (soft) mogul skiing and 
aggressive turns.  With all of the snow we are getting, NM skiing is
GREAT!!!

                                                              Taos #1
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From: jaym@hplsla.hp.com (Jay Miazga)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Amendment 2 Yet Again (was Re: Colorado Ski Report)
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:54:53 GMT
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Obviously the spirit that guides you is not the Holy Spirit.  No 
self-respecting Christian would openly support a life style such
as homosexuality. 
==============================================================================
DPS
==============================================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


I see.  Respect for self is admirable.
The real question is your capacity to respect others
who do you no harm and do not interfere with your
beliefs or lifestyle.  Do you apply the Golden rule only          
when it's easy to do?
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Ammendment 2 and skiing
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:37:50 GMT
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies

In article <1993Jan6.164257.2786@PacBell.COM>, smmyers@foghorn.srv.pacbell.com (Sean Myers) writes:
> In article <IfGjHzj0BwyOBgn_B1@transarc.com>, Ward_Travis@transarc.com writes:

>      I saw this on the news myself.  Resort business is up in Colorado, 
> although they didn't mention why.

Massive, drought-busting storm systems along the entire West Coast have
reawakened long-dormant interest in skiing.

-- 
John Reece			"This lifeboat is full"	
Not an Intel spokesman 			 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: lfd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Lee Derbenwick)
Subject: Re: XC skating
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:53:51 GMT
Summary: Almost all XC areas offer skating-groomed trails.

In article <104406@netnews.upenn.edu>,
lobaugh@a.chem.upenn.edu (John Lobaugh) writes:
> Are there any other places besides Lake Placid on the eastern
> coast of the US that offer groomed XC trails where one can
> XC skate?

Almost all XC areas have at least half of their trails groomed
with a skating lane these days.  (At least partly because modern
grooming equipment tends to require wide trails anyway...)

From personal experience, both Mountain Top (Chittenden, VT, just
northeast and uphill from Rutland) and Mount Mansfield (Stowe, VT)
have considerable amounts of skating-groomed trails.  Any guidebook
ought to give you some idea of how much is skating-groomed; there
are a couple books available for New England.

Of course, with the weather we've had recently, _everybody's_
trails are probably only "groomed" for hiking.  :-(

 -- Speaking strictly for myself,
 --   Lee Derbenwick, AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel, NJ
 --   lfd@cbnewsm.ATT.COM  or  <wherever>!att!cbnewsm!lfd
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker)
Subject: Park City recommendations?
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:13:38 GMT

I'm going to Park City next weekend for 3 days, and I was wondering if
anybody had any recommedations to offer on restaurants, or any skiing tips
(e.g., "must do"s or "must avoid"s).  Re the latter, I'm an expert and my
wife is a strong intermediate.  Thanks!

----------
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All opinions expressed are mine, and do not reflect those of my employer.
"First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rvele@ctp.com (Raymond Velez)
Subject: cross-country in New England
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Distribution: us
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:31:03 GMT

	Can anyone suggest some good crosss-country places near
Boston.?  We would like some mountains and steeps involved.. We would
also like it to be in the woods and not in an open field.  Thanks in
advance.
		
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: pier0019@student.tc.umn.edu (Dale R. Pierson)
Subject: repost- need info on instructing jobs
Organization: University of Minnesota
	Please Email me  at pier0019@student.tc.umn.edu 
				
				-Dale-
  
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:37:06 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: N Tahoe non fatalities
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 21:48:03 GMT

The medical condition of the family is slowly deing revealed.
It appears they have frostbite of the 3rd and 4th degree.
They are in a race to try and save the mother's toes/feet because
she thawed her frozen feet, and then refroze them after the pain set in.
This does not bode well.  It is clearly insufficient to tell people what
tools to have for survival, they must also have knowledge of first-aid
and how to deal with frozen limb injuries like this.  [In short,
the refreezing causes more damage, and the normal course is to keep the
limb frozen and thaw only when safe.]

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: dilmore@eastrg2.cray.com (Robert James Dilmore)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Subject: Whistler info needed 
Date: 4 Jan 93 09:57:53 CST


  My wife and I are planning a trip to Whistler/Blackcomb in two weeks.

  We are seeking information concerning directions to the nearest store
from the airport in Vancouver where discount tickets are available. I am
also curious as to the conditions at Whistler/Blackcomb recently. Any
personal exp. of great runs for agressive intermediates, or anything
else to get me fired up for this trip would be great. As if I'm not
eggsited already:). This is our first trip in a few months since our
baby arrived.

Robert Dilmore
dilmore@cray.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.photo
From: jww@anchor.eng.hou.compaq.com (Jeff Wolford)
Subject: Re: Help photographing in snow
Keywords: photography, lighting, skiing
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:06:12 GMT

Re: snow/sking photography...

1) See the most recent issue of Outdoor Photographer, where the interview
a well known ski/action photog... (I can look up the date if you send
me email back)...

Here is my own preferance:

1)	If I want to get the best exposure, I take a grey card and
	set it down in the snow (I have a metal indo-structo type)
	near/or in similar area where I will be shooting..

	If I don't want to take a along a grey card , I do the following:

2) or	I use my built in spot meter and meter off of come grey colored
	aspen tree trunks

3) or	If it is sunny out I use the Sunny-16 rule minus 1 stop

4) or	If it is not sunny or the skiers go in and out of different
	lighted areas I use a +2 E.C. in Ap-pref mode.

In all cases maintain a shutter speed of 1/250th or faster (i.e.
	choose your film and lens to give you that combo) (Use the
	Sunny-16 minus 1 stop rule to decide what to bring with you)

	I.E. on sunny winter day if you use Kodachrome 64, use should
		that comes up with 1/30th second at f16 (sunny-16 minus 1)

		f16	1/30
		f11	1/60
		f8	1/125
		f5.6	1/250
		f4.0	1/500

	Thus on a sunny day a f4.0 lens and K64 would be absolute minimum,
	if you want any exposure latitude you need a faster lens
	or faster film.


Hints:
	I wear bib's and put the camera in front of me with a relative
	short strap, in between the top part of the bibs and my
	down jacket...
		1) makes for easy access to the camera,
		2) Camera is not in the elements while you are trying to
			sky
		3) Camera is not too warm so that the lens fogs up
			when you take it out.

	Don't be afraid to get down in the snow, some of my best shots
		are from getting down low and shooting up at the 
		skiers.

		I finally got brave and layed down just after a large
		mogel, so that the skiers jumped over me... awesome shots
		but a motor drive is REQUIRED.

	Take the longest/fastest zoom you have... -:)

	Take some nice snug fit thinsulate gloves and mits (take the
		mits off during shooting and put them on over the gloves
		when not shooting)

Cold weather precautions:
	Use a manual or slow film advance... When the film gets cold,
		it gets dry and as it advances it un-curls and if done
		fast will cause a static electricity discharge, causing
		a spark to show up on the film.

		Or I keep the camera semi-warm and use a motor drive.

	Nicads do MUCH better in cool/cold weather than Alkalines.

	I have had very POOR luck with Litheums (sp ?) in cold weather.

	Plain meter batteries (silver or mercury oxide, seem to work
		just fine)



Good luck... shoots lots of film, and bracket (in action photos Ha... -:)

Jeff
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"The views expressed here are my own, and not those of my employer."
From: mmm1@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mark.m.miller)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Killington
Keywords: Info
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:19:51 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: AT&T

Would like to know if someone could post infomation
on the nightlife at Killington, bars in particular.
Places to eat, things like that.  
Myself and some buddies will be staying at Wintergreen
Condos Feb. 5-9 about 10-15 min from the mountain.

Please post responses to the net.

Thanks,
Irwin R. Shyster
.
    
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: warren@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (warren.a.montgomery)
Subject: Re: Chestnut Mountain
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:45:47 GMT
Summary: Chestnut is near Galena

Chestnut Mt is near Galena, in the NW corner of Illinois.  Lift
rates in December were $18/day weekday, and I think about $22/day
weekend.  It's comparable in vertical and variety to Devils head
or Cascade, though somewhat smaller (only 3 chairs).  The runs
come down canyons and bluff faces towards the mississippi and the
steepest are respectibly steep.  It's about 10 miles south of
Galena on Blackjack road.  (You can also get there by turning off
of US 20 about 15 miles east of Galena where it is marked and
following the signs about 12 miles over local roads).  I don't
think there is any lodging at the area except the resort itself
(expensive, as I recall but I haven't priced it in years), but
Galena is a big tourist center and has motels and B&Bs galore.
(Actually lodging may be even cheaper in Dubuque iowa, about 20
miles away across the river, and there is another comparable area
there.)  It's not Colorado or Utah, but it's not bad for the midwest.

-- 

	Warren Montgomery
	att!iexist!warren
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: kozak@rtsg.mot.com (Jay Kozak)
Subject: Re: Skiing Steamboat Springs, Colorado
Keywords: Steamboat
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:34:45 GMT

Mazzola's has a great Hawaiian (sp?) pizza.  Pineapple and pepperoni.  If you
like steak, Old West steak house in town has the best steak I've ever had. 
They have a teriaki (sp?) baseball cut that is awesome.

As far as skiing goes, make sure you hike up to the weather station from the
storm peak lift at least once.  You can ski the tutes from there.  If you have 
a group (for safety), continue hiking up to the antenna tower and ski off 
the back side. At that point you will be in Routte National forest and out of 
the steamboat ski area.  In other words, at your own risk.  It is possible to do
this and still traverse around enough to catch a lift.


Jay Kozak
kozakj@cimdev.rtsg.mot.com
From: mikey@eukanuba.wpd.sgi.com (Mike Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: N Tahoe region 1/2
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:14:01 GMT
Reply-To: mikey@sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1993Jan5.160245.18272@PacBell.COM>, smmyers@foghorn.srv.pacbell.com (Sean Myers) writes:
|>      Actually one suffocated and the other died of exposure.  I wonder if had 
|> they been on skiis and able to just pop out of them, would they have survived.

It was believed that one of them hit his head on a tree, was knocked
unconscious, and fell face down into powder.  So, no.

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               mikey@sgi.com           415/390-1786
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