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From: srinivas@vision.crd.ge.com (Chukka Srinivas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: ...... Hyderabadi muslims ........
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:38:01 GMT
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

In article <1992Dec16.192653.2859@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mrv@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (madhukar.r.vadyala) writes:
>|
>Hyderabad is relatively peaceful and surviving only because of
>the hindu majority.  Otherwise it would have been
>another Kashmir.  Don't forget the Rajakar (did i spell it right !)
>movement during independence.  We owe a lot to Sardar Patel.
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sir, you are factually incorrect.
Sardar Patel came late into the picture. There was Andhra
Maha Sabha which led a peasant struggle against Nizam
and feudal landlords in Telangana. 

>
>It is time for muslims to identify with india  and substanciate that
>with  their actions.

>Cheers
>
>Madhukar Reddy.

Maybe, it is also time for Hindus to accept them as Indians.
And stop giving patriotic litmus tests to people.

-srinivas.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: Re: Communal Violence
Keywords: Ideologies, beliefs, religion
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:15:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.163947.26233@news.uakron.edu> akula@joy.cs.uakron.edu (JAYARAM S AKULA) writes:
>
>       Ideas, beliefs, organized religions....separate people...
>
>                        -Jiddu Krishnamurthy on Relationships., 1950
>
>       Ramudu ane vadunnado ledo !! kaaani.......gurudu is responsible
>       for thousands of deaths........dont know whether to laugh or cry
>       
>

Mahanubhaava! Ideasu lEkunda vuntE Mandamati Antaaru.
Mari mana Jiduugari Bhasyamau Emitata. Ore CheppEsare.
...kt
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: chunduri@eemips.tamu.edu (Srikar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: India : Muslims
Date: 18 Dec 1992 18:02:58 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: eemips.tamu.edu



Hi,
  Well I have seen quite a few may be not all
  postings on the net about Muslims & Hyd
  muslims and their patriotism. However what I DONOT SEE IS THAT NOT
  MANY MUSLIMS ARE PROTESTING AGAINST THE ACCUSATIONS.

  Srikar
  (Jai-Hind)
-- 
 I Slept and dreamt that life was all joy
 I woke and saw life was but service
 I served and understand that SERVICE IS JOY
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: divaka@vccsouth25.its.rpi.edu (Ajay Divakaran)
Subject: Re: Federal versus State rights
Reply-To: divaka@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:49:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.141622.22351@lgc.com>, thiru@lgc.com (Thiru Bollam) writes:
|> In article <Dec.16.16.53.55.1992.10644@paul.rutgers.edu> kumarv@paul.rutgers.edu (kumar vadaparty) writes:
|> >
|> >What do you think of the president's dismissal of three state
|> >governments? These govts were dismissed because they were not able to
|> >conduct according to the Indian Constitution. 
|>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|>   Is it not the same book, made by bunch of mediocre legislators to suit
|>   their own party needs??? Do you guys still feel this book, which gives
|>   authority for partisanism along religious lines, should be uphold?
|> 
|> 
|> Thiru
Could you please be a little more specific about which mediocre people
you are talking about? Babu Rajendra Prasad? B.R. Ambedkar? Pandit Nehru?
Sardar Patel? Please look into the membership of the constituent assembly
before you make these accusations of mediocrity. A wide spectrum of Indian
opinion was represented, and never again has there been any such gathering
of Indian intellect in one place. 
           Please let us all know how the Constitution upholds "partisanism"
along religious lines. The core of the Indian constitution is democratic
and secular. Each of these concepts is an anathema to the RSS brand mindset.
No amount of revisionism is going to change the fact that the constitutent
assembly did its best to give India a secular democratic constitution. 
                                                    ajay
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: WORLD POPULATION CRISIS!/ayodhya
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:03:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.030455.19651@engr.LaTech.edu> shalan@engr.latech.edu writes:
><From sundar@informix.com (Ramanathan Sundararajan)
><g as the persons killed are neither you nor your LOVED ones , your
><LOGIC is fine.  I hope you would never say such stuff , in your entire
><LIFE time!! LIVE forever - 
>
><jeete raho beta...
>	
>	sorry babe,, I don't understand the last line and neither do i care to have it translated.
>do you really think that I enjoyed what I had written. I have relatives in mumbai and i've been trying to reach them.
>	I'm sick of you people and my country. It was written in frustration. 
>One person(an eminent one too) wrote me a personal e-mail and expected me to be sorry. HA!!! 

Hope your relatives are OK.

>
>Food for thought.
>
>	Take a look at  moslems and hindus in tamilnadu.  Till now they have maintained their secular values and respect for all religions. I pray that they do not get corrupted by propaganda.
>	
>	would you like to learn from us??????????????? [ this part is not for you "ramanathan sundarajan" but for the majority who spew their rotten guts on the net].
>	would like to be blessed????????? or would you like to remain "children of a lesser god"

These three paragraphs are awfully disjoint. What are you willing to teach 'us'?
And who is this 'us'? The stuff about being blessed and 'lesser god', I give up.
What are you saying?


Rakesh Patel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: deb@soil.Princeton.EDU (Arghya Deb)
Subject: Sanskriti
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:21:29 GMT


Someone has commented on my spelling of the above word, and adduced it as
proof of my ignorance. The pit-falls of posting in SCI are truly numerous.
While I have little doubt that I am ignorant of many matters, in this
case I was transliterating from my native Bengali where the word is both
spelt and pronounced as "Sanskriti". I realize that the Sanskrit/Hindi
root is different. However when I made the posting, the last thought on
my mind was the difficulty associated with transliterating Indian words 
into English, so I do not propose to continue discussing this any further.
                                                    Arghya Deb
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.religion.islam
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Subject: Re: Babri Masjid, Hindus and Muslims
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Originator: zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Zeeshan Hasan -Moderator)
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:53:35 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1glskcINN4k2@life.ai.mit.edu> RIPBC%CUNYVM.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu writes:

>  ... The Sharia is  crucial to
>  Muslims and must govern their daily  life.  In the same way, Hinduism  puts
>  down detailed  instructions, not only  about the religious life,  but  also
>  about the ordinary life of  the religious house-holder.  The secular  West,
>  over-running Asian  civilizations and  trying to  convert themm  all to the
>  notion  of  a  secular,  modern  society,  paying  lip  service  to Eastern
>  cultures,     but also undermining them  through its insistence on most  of
>  life being  governed by  secular, Western  norms, is  a threat  to the
>  very survival of non-Western civilizations.

>     Thus the destruction  of the Babri  Masjid must not  be seen as  a Hindu
>  attack  on  Islam.   It  is  rather  a re-assertion of Hinduism against the
>  secular, liberal, Western values that  have governed India since the  prime
>  ministership of  the Western  educated dynasty  of the  Nehru family.   The
>  Babri Masjid can be seen as a  symbol of Hindu humiliation at the hands  of
>  Babar.


I really don't find this argument at all valid. There is nothing
"Western" about the mosque, so why should one view its destructino
as a "re-assertion of Hinduism agains secular, liberal, [and] Western
values". Anything can be seen as a symbol of anything if the beholder
wishes it to be so. Or are you saying that because the Nehru family 
was not fully "Eastern" that a hundreds-of-years-old mosque can
justifiably be destroyed? This strikes me as the worst sort of
rationalization. I think it is far better to see the destruction of
the mosque as the act of violent people unwilling to remain at peace
with those who do not share their religion. The question remains then
how people willing to remain at peace with those who do not share their
religion should react to such a violent act. If every event of history
can be used to justify violence there will never be peace on earth.


Gregg




-- 
Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy)  Dept. of Physics (and Philosophy), Boston Univ.
"You see, the quantum mechanical description is in terms of knowledge" -Peierls
"One can _not_ put the psi-function... in place of the... thing" -Schroedinger
                   _De gustibus non disputandum_, NOT!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: akash@crescent.berkeley.edu (Akash R. Deshpande)
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Reply-To: akash@crescent.berkeley.edu (Akash R. Deshpande)
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 22:55:31 GMT

In article <1h08okINNr2k@aludra.usc.edu>, fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay
Fafat) writes:
|> 	For the n th time, it says, " Yes, the particle does not exist in 
|> 	any objective sense unless you measure it". 

Prove it, O Heraclitus sans Logos.

(You can't even prove that light exists even if I am not blind.
I would love to see a scientific proof
that an object doesn't exist unless you measure it.)

-Akash
From: fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 15:05:03 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Worma writes:
>	A better proof will be to kick the seeker's ass and ask him if 
>	he sees the light? Kicking hard will get you an elegant nice little
>	proof - yes, Fafat I do see the light.

	And this ass's ass has'nt even been kicked as yet! This is getting
	interesting.

	FFT
From: sivaram@a.cs.okstate.edu (SIVARAMAKRISHNAN S)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Transit visa for stop over at singapore ?
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:32:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: a.1992Dec17.023253.24899
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater

Do I need a transit visa for a 20 hour halt at singapore
on my way to india ? I am not sure about it since  I heard
such a visa is required for a 24 hour stopover.

thanks

p.s.  I have an indian passport.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: godura@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:55:21 GMT

In article <1gtlevINN9to@phakt.usc.edu> fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
>Worma writes:
>>	A better proof will be to kick the seeker's ass and ask him if 
>>	he sees the light? Kicking hard will get you an elegant nice little
>>	proof - yes, Fafat I do see the light.
>
>	And this ass's ass has'nt even been kicked as yet! This is getting
>	interesting.
>
>	FFT

Will the Worms and the FataFat Fourier Transforms keep their (yawn)
personal sweet nothings to one-one emails please ?
You will be doing mankind a great service.
Thanks.
Ruchir.
-- 
Ruchir Godura | godura@cis.udel.edu | (302) 292-0668 (H) (302) 831-1949 (W)
From: sadhal@alhena.usc.edu (Sati Sadhal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Mandir/Maszid/Girza/Gurudwara
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:45:16 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alhena.usc.edu

In article <11DEC199212381450@vx.cis.umn.edu> secular@love.and.respect.for.all writes:


[...... deleted.....]

>that one religion is better than the other.  Let's build the 
>world's first *multireligious shrine* at the site.  Let's make the
>BIGGEST and the most BEAUTIFUL Hindu temple, Moslem Mosque, 
>Sikh Gurudwara, and Christian Church side by side as four 
>corners of a square.  That would be a perfect salute to 
>secularism and (hopefully) also satisfy the Hindu fundamentalists
>and BabriMaszid faithfuls alike.
>
.
.
.
.
.     ABSOLUTELY GREAT IDEA!!!!!!!!!
.
.
	As a Sikh I Support it 100%
.
.
    
.
.
. 	Let the Secular Forces Rise!!!!


			------ Satwindar Singh Sadhal

*********************  E N D *************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: misra@charles.polymer.uakron.edu (Sanjay Misra)
Subject: Re: BJP Governments Thrown Out. Its Good! Its Good!
Organization: Institute of Polymer Science, University of Akron
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:52:41 GMT

In article <BzD2t4.7u0@cs.psu.edu>, narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec16.161203.4471@news.uakron.edu> misra@charles.polymer.uakron.edu (Sanjay Misra) writes:
|> >	
|> >	Misra ji opines on why dismissing BJP goverments is gooo...d

	...kt boss writes	
 
|> From all accounts of RSS that I heard of, there is no such thing as 
|> membership of RSS. People volunteer into their services to RSS. So
|> banning RSS is not going to do a darn thing, except fooling a bunch
|> of pseudo-intellectuals. Get that to your mind. Don't try to live
|> a pipe dream. As for as I know VHP also lives on the criteria of 
|> symbpathizers, and donations from them. I seriously doubt if they
|> also have such a thing as char anna membership. Only ABVP has such
|> notion of membership. So quit all this crap about banning RSS/VHP 
|> doing good and all that. This is what I call needing a Reality Check!
|> 
|> ...kt

	Reality check indeed. For one how about the fact that fanatics
	and the unemployed will no longer have a large banner to collect
	under. As splinter groups of the far right they can be dealt
	with far more effectively. Or would you rather wait till 
	Pilot Baba becomes the PM and Balti Baba becomes the Foreign
	Minister. Heck, why leave out Ram Lak^han and Bab^loo~. But
	don't get your hopes too high ;). NirRmala will be working
	for Jewish causes before Ram Lak^han becomes the Minister for Defence.  

	Ok, even if these measure do not rid the country of religion based nonsense
	they will at least make it more difficult. For example it would be
	tougher to get 200000 kar sevaks to collect at one place at the same
	time. So even if some real intellectuals are miffed and pseudo
	intellectuals are fooled the end result will be that the largely
	pragmatic population of India will benefit.

	So what if things don't change overnight. I would rather have
	a government do something than sit on its butt until the
	goose steppers take over the state. Janaab-e-wali, learn from
	history (even if it is Germany's). If there had been strong
	Chancellors instead of the bunch of nincompoops who did not
	have the bloody guts to put down the Brownshirts you wouldn't
	have the Third Reich. Just because you cannot do everything
	does not mean you do nothing.  So we will have "volunteers"
	who will collect "spontaneously" wearing their Khaki Chaddhis
	at places sometimes. At least these will be sporadic events
	not a norm. Hey, they may even get a laugh or two and we will
	all be better off for being a happier nation. 

	Pipe Dreams? Well there is a really neat game by that name
	for the Apple Macintosh. Wish all RSS "volunteers" (of course
	there is no such organized body ;)) would play Pipe Dreams
	rather than prance around in their Khaki Chaddhis.

	Bye Bye

	Sanjay 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mantha@pan.Berkeley.EDU (Surya Mantha)
Subject: Re: Ayodhya .... Aftermath.
Reply-To: mantha@pan.Berkeley.EDU (Surya Mantha)
Organization: Xerox
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:23:10 GMT

In article <Bz3vpp.ByK@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, gauri@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Gauri
Pavate) writes:
|>sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:
|>
|>
|>>As one who also believes in a common civil code, this
|>>(the Ayodhya incident, i.e.) might be more of a setback
|>>than a beach-head in the battle. Extremism rarely achieves
|>>its desired results.
|>
|>
|>	Yes, this incident is definitely a setback to the
|>campaign for a uniform civil code.
|>
|>	The thing is that the campaign for a common civil code
|>is supported by two very unlike political groups--liberals of all 
|>communities on the one side, and Hindu chauvanists on the other!  
|>And very often, whatever progress is achieved by the former gets
|>undone by the actions of the latter.
|>
|>	A fear among some sections of Muslims has been that
|>a uniform civil code is a means of depriving them of their
|>cultural identity and that under its guise Hindu personal
|>laws may be imposed on them.  And actions by Hindu groups
|>such as the anti-Urdu stir or the recent event at Ayodhya
|>reinforce  these perceptions of cultural threat, seriously
|>eroding all previous efforts at allaying them.  IMO, the 
|>Hindu groups' support of UCC has made it suspect in the  
|>eyes of minorities and has been a major cause of delay  
|>in developing a consensus for a uniform civil code.
|>
|>	So far the whole process seems to have been marked by one 
|>step forward and two steps backwards.
|>
|>	And the incident at Ayodhya definitely marks two
|>(maybe three) steps backwards.
|>
|>		
|>					Gauri.
                                     

	Couldn't agree more with the above.

regards
Surya Mantha
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:41005 soc.culture.pakistan:18270
From: v079rbu4@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Sanjay Kohli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Narrow Hindu Beliefs- was- Ram (Was he Fact or Fiction)??
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:40:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec16.054915.10338@u.washington.edu>, shamshoo@shelley.u.washington.edu (Shams Hasan) writes...
> 
>Dear Mr. Kapoor,
> 
>Your religion stinks. [hint: a particularly unpleasntly smelling liquid derived
>			     from the cleansing of humans and animals via such
>			     useful organs as, kidneys and bladders]
> 
> 
>Best Regards,
>Shams Hasan.


How about your religion its stinks and also its sucks. I feel sorry for you 
guys, you follow your mullahs without knowing that they are the biggest 
gandu's on the earth! May allah give you some brain NOT!



Cheers
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 18 DEC 92 17:28:46    


In article <1gtdttINN6ca@phakt.usc.edu>, fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes...
> 
>Akash Deshpande writes:
>>>	         The proofs of science are based on 'virtual reality', i.e., 
>>>	the reality which exist within the context of seeker's sense
>>>	instruments.
>>
>>Finally, well said V. You can round off your argument with the following 
>>quote from Kena Upanishad:
> 
> 
>	And why should anyone take Kena Upanishada at face value? 

	No, if knowledge is exclusive property of fafat or WORMS.
> 
> 
>>I am still waiting for "proof" that there's light when the sun's up.
>>Since I am rather certain that there can be no such proof, I am justified
>>in assuming that hardened amateur philosophers are blind to the
>>light of the inner sun.
>>-Akash
> 
>	ask your friend (preferably Worma :) to hold a giant convex lens
>	and tell me if you're impervious when your clothes catch fire.
> 

	Is that your definition of light? You get an F------ in your physics.
	According to Vedic knowledge, Existence of light implies shape 
	not heat. No light, no shape.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani)
Subject: Re: Who's doing the killings...
Summary: moderation required
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:04:40 GMT

In article <1gatbvINNcl5@tamsun.tamu.edu>, gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
> 
> Lets not scream revenge for each other. Lets not brand the acts of 
> passionate fools in India/pak/Bangladesh as the logical thing to do 
> just because they are in a majority. Religion is bullshit and must 
> be ignored (if not hated) for all the immeasurable suffering and 
> chaos it has caused.

I would not call religion a bullshit. Like you, I dont follow any religion,
but I do repect the right of others to follow any religion they wish, as long as,
they keep it to themselves. I, however, understand your frustration
with religions and trouble that they cause. 

Religion has been a source of inspiration for many (excluding me) and
still majority of the human race follows one religion or another. For
the majority religion works well and serves as a source of consolation
and helps them in trying times.  For a minority, religion is EVERYTHING,
these are the bad apples, which give a religion a BAD name. 

Religion is like medicine and must be taken in moderation. Unfortunately,
some people get addicted and we all know addiction always causes trouble.

We must respect all religions and protect the right of each person to 
follow whichever religion they wish to follow. We should not impose our
thinking on others. We can attempt to educate them but that is all.
 
regards,

-Naveed
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: 18 DEC 92 17:39:54    


In article <1992Dec18.215411.22164@news2.cis.umn.edu>, crick@lcmv.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes...
>>
>I have yet to read your arguments against the scriptures, therefore how can
>you state that you disregard dogma.  Oh, I stand corrected: In your post
>calling for war against Pakistan and Bangladesh, you clearly were anti-
>dogmatic, as no religion would preach such violence.
> 
>Ed
> 

	I talk about my Hindu religion which has lived peacefully with
	science since ages. Western religions and science were always at
	odds. That is probably the reason why religion is so much hated these
	days. If I do that then what is difference between me and the Pope,
	between me and you. Pope dislikes science and you dislike his
	religion. But I like both science and my religion which is Hinduism.
	And I am fortunate that my religion has no problem with science.
	I can manage science because I know it evolves and can tell it
	shut up for the time being until it catches up with my religion.

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