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From: bbs.ruscal@tsoft.net (Russel Mar)
Subject: Re: Monochrome monitor woes
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:05:18 GMT

dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kennelmeister) writes:

> sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
> 
> > But what do you need,? if the service centre won't sell you a manual,
> > how are you going to get Parts..??
> 
> Since most failures are minor componentry, it's relatively easy to go
> down to the local electronics store with a list....
> 
> 
> --
> Alan Brown. (SysAdmin)
> dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz                      Palmerston North
> Dawghaus BBS -> +64 (6) 357-9245                New Zealand
>        "A wet and windy place at the bottom of the World"
> 
> 

=========
A failure I have repaired on 2 SM124's was that one or more of the 
rectifier diodes went bad.  $0.25 per diode to replace.  Use a multimeter 
to check if the diode(s) are bad.

--
Russel Mar (bbs.ruscal@tsoft.net)
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 11:47:43 EST
From: <EENG6826@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Hypertext editor?
Distribution: na
 <92350.112848EENG6826@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>

I've posted the following to atari.archive.umich.edu:

Carlos Varela's Hypertext System Beta Version

This program provides text files with links between them. In
is unmodified form only works on Atari ST Medium resolution.
The source code is provided in GFA List format. Example files
are included. Graphic links are not support. The use of this
program and/or source code is subject to the following agree-
ments:

This is a legal agreement between you (the end user) and Carlos
Varela, before using this program, you should carefully read the
following terms and conditions. If you do not agree to the terms
of this agreement, promptly destroy the program and source code.

This program and source code are provide "AS IS". Carlos Varela
makes no warranty express or implied with respect to the program
or the source code. The entire risk arising out of use or
performance of the program and source code remains with you.

In no event will Carlos Varela be liable for any lost profits,
lost savings, incidental damages or other economic consequencial
damages.

Carlos Varela grants you the right to use a copy of the program
(which is comprised of the program and source code) on any number
of machines at any one time. You may copy, modify or merge copies
of this program and source code. You may reverse compile or reverse
assemble the program or source code. You may not rent, sell,
sublicense, or otherwise make a profit with this program or his
source code.

Carlos Varela
From: sastre@outside.gmwd.de (Michael Schneider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Distribution: world
Organization: GMwD
Subject: Re: DATAlight
Reply-To: sastre@gmwd.de
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:00:58 MET

In <71752@cup.portal.com>, Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:

> Thank you for the information about DATALight, Gerhard..
> 
> It sounds like an exciting application for my ever-shrinking
> hard drive..!

I think it really is. I use DataLight since some months without any
problem.

Regards,
Michael Schneider
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  /\    \  Gesellschaft f"ur Mehrwertdienste    | Fax:    +49 228 63 68 54
 /  \    \  in der Telekommunikation mbH (GMwD) | E-Mail:   sastre@GMwD.DE
/    \____\  Bertha-von-Suttner-Platz 8,        | Schneider@Germany.EU.net
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:18456 comp.sys.atari.st.tech:6290
From: timg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Tim Gallivan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: gem progs run from gulam lock up
Date: 16 Dec 92 06:10:10 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: University of Texas Center for Relativity

Hi,

In article <92347.152232JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu> JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu (J.J. Lehett) writes:
>
>    I have had the same problem with my own GEM programs locking up when run
>with the GEM prefix in Gulam... however ONLY on the second attempt at running
>the program (often during testing).  I use GCC 2.2.2 how about you?
>    I haven't had the windowing problem you mentioned I don't think though.
>
>    On my own programs, it is odd, since this seems to be the case each time:
>
>    I run through any of my own GCC compiled programs from gulam.  Exit and
>get returned to gulam.  Now ANY other program I run locks seemingly the second
>that program tries to open a window.  Its odd since this does not happen if I
>do it all from the desktop.

I have had similar things happen when GEM programs I was debugging
terminated abnormally. The next thing I try to run locks up. Perhaps
things mess up if GEM resources are not de-allocated properly. Do your
programs close all open workstations and call appl_exit() before
terminating? Just a guess, but the desktop might do this automatically
while gulam might not.

-Tim Gallivan
timg@landau.ph.utexas.edu
From: hmallat@elektra.cs.hut.fi (Hannu Mallat ~ PurpleHaze!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon030, resolutions, TRUE color, and DSP
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:17:01 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: elektra.cs.hut.fi

In <1gsmv1INN688@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:

>Ok, how much memory would it take to get games to be created with the
>640x480 256 color mode?

>How much more memory does the TRUE color mode take?

Sigh. It's just simple maths...

In 256 colour mode each pixel needs 8 bits for its colour index
(2**8=256), which equals one byte. Thus, one screen takes
640x480=307200 bytes=300k. Now, arcade games use double-buffering, in
which one screen is shown when the other is being updated, to avoid
flickering when the screen is drawn. So, 600k just for displaying things.
Add to that sampled sounds (I bet you don't hear much chip music
anymore with Falcon... :), which could take a *LOT* of space. And the
actual sprite, background etc. graphics. And some space for the code, too.
One meg won't last for long.

Now, wasn't that true colour 16-bit? I guess you can make the
calculations by yourself...;)

btw, updating 300k of graphics might take a while... In arcade games
the frame rate has to be pretty high, or the game is crap. I suppose
320*200 resolution is more realistic for shoot'em ups and such. But I
wouldn't mind seeing a decent strategy game on 640*480...
--
With a purple umberella and a fifty cent hat,	\\ Hannu Mallat
Livin', lovin', she's just a woman.		// hmallat@niksula.hut.fi
Missus cool rides out in her aged Cadillac.	\\ J{mer{ntaival 5 C 333
Livin', lovin', she's just a woman.		// 02150 Espoo, Finland
From: dsc3jwa@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Allor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: MINIX, C-MANSHIP TRADE OR SALE
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:44:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Naval Medical Research & Development Command

I have a few programs I no longer use and I'm sure other people have some that
they no longer need.  I'd like to sell or trade the following:

                            Sale Price      Approx. Retail
MINIX 1.8			$100		$170
C-Manship book with disk 	$20		$29
Starglider II			$10		$30 

I'm interested in a business accounting package, DBMan, a good term program, or
maybe something I haven't thought of.            ~~~~~

MAKE OFFER for TRADE or SALE.  I'll pay postage to US responses, Split for 
Canada.

Please respond to:

Jim Allor 	dsc3jwa@imc20.med.navy.mil   or   
		dsc3jwa@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil
-- 
Jim Allor 		dsc3jwa@nmdsc20.nmdsc.nnmc.navy.mil
			dsc3jwa@vmnmdsc.nmdsc.nnmc.navy.mil		
		Naval Medical Data Services Center, Bethesda Maryland
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jmillar@beethoven.helios.nd.edu (jay millar)
Subject: Cybernetix
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Distribution: comp.sys.atari.st
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:35:13 GMT


Hello!  Seeing as how there have been numerous posts regarding high scores
for Llamatron, I was wondering if anyone has become similarly addicted
to the game Cybernetix (a defender-type game) 
 available on a.a. and through ST-Format?

It's a very well-written game that my roommate has gotten pretty good at....
his current high score is 800750.  I was wondering if anyone's done better
than that (probably) and if so, by how much?, 

--
Jay T. Millar       -        Department of Electrical Engineering     -   ||| 
jmillar@rodin.helios.nd.edu       University of Notre Dame                ||| 
"Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand; Ignorance and       / | \ 
 prejudice and fear walk hand in hand."  Neil Peart, Witch Hunt
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: accelerators
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:45:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: newshost.1992Dec14.174555.21255
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article 14201@umiami.ir.miami.edu, dlk0ms9s@umiami.ir.miami.edu () writes:
>In article <qNJLVB1w165w@cyberden.uucp>, kronos@cyberden.uucp writes:
>> I'm checking out accelerator boards for my ST. I've heard of one in the 
>> Atari Explorer for $120 or so. Does anyone know of it or where it can be
>> found. Else, what accelerators are suggested.
>
>  Oersinally, I would suggest ADSPEED for your system.  It is a 16MHz
>accelerator and works beutifully.  It is by ICD.  There is also a company
>called Fast Tech.  They make accelerators as well.  BUt I have not had agood
>experience with them and can not recommend them.  BUpport once purchased is
>nonexistant.
>
>Mark Santora


What kind of problems have you had with Fast Technology, Mark?  Jim Allen (of
Fast Tech) is an IAAD member and we would like to hear your beef.  Thanks.

___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: reeuwijk@dutentb.et.tudelft.nl (Kees van Reeuwijk)
Subject: Re: Hewlett Packard Deskjet 500C help wanted!
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:31:18 GMT

In <JFyLVB1w165w@midiline.la.ca.us> jared@midiline.la.ca.us (Luposian Knightwolf) writes:

>As of tonight, I finally figured out why my 500C wasn't communicating 
>very well with my MEGA ST.  After it prints out a text file from the 
>desktop (the only thing I can do, since I haven't a 500C printer driver 
>for 1st Word, and attempting to do a screen print produces nothing but 
>letters and graphic gobble-de-gook), it takes about 10-20 seconds to 
>retract the head to "home".  Since I wasn't waiting for it to do that, 
>assuming I could print the next file right after the previous one was 
>finished, the ST sent the print command, the 500C wouldn't reply (as it 
>was busy getting ready to go "home", and the whole deal goes dead.  The 
>ST considers the printer non-existant and no way of recovery.
> 
>But now that's all been taken care of, thanks to my ever-persistant 
>nature.  What I need now is this:
> 
>Does anyone know how to write up a HP Deskjet 500 printer driver for 1st 
>Word? (not 1st Word Plus)  I'd really appreciate it.  BTW, is there any 
>way a screen print is possible between the ST and the 500C?  Maybe 
>someone could write up a program to make use of the 500C's color 
>capacity?  It's a thought... I'd sure buy it! (i.e. pay good money for 
>it)

There is a 1st Word Plus printer driver for the HP DJ 500 (without the
'C'). Surely that will work on a 'C' one? You can find it on atari.archive.
Apart from that, it is quite simple to write your own printer driver for
1st WP+. The package has documentation on
the printer description files on one of the disks, and the HP DJ manual is
quite good (if it is as good as my DJ 'classic' one). You might consider
using some of the less useful special effects in 1st WP+ for color
printing.


=-=-=-=
C. van Reeuwijk			e-mail: C.vReeuwijk@ET.TUDelft.NL
Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:18213 comp.sys.atari.st.tech:6216
From: stevem@solbourne.com (Stephen Matson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Surely someone knows...
Date: 11 Dec 1992 14:11:22 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, Rocky Mountains
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: katmandu.solbourne.com

 How to add memory to my 520 ST. I asked yesterday but did not get a 
reponce. Maybe if I'm annoying someone will help :^)


 So...

   What type of RAM chips are needed to upgrade?

   What value are the caps?

   Plug 'n Play or do I need to do anything else?

 ANY answers to ANY of these questions will be rewarded.

 And I'll even say please :^)


 Thanks...

   Steve Matson
From: judy.ranelli@the-matrix.com (Judy Ranelli) 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: SPRING COMDEX
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:13:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: judy.ranelli@the-matrix.com (Judy Ranelli) 

Does anyone know whether or not Atari will be at the 83 spring Comdex in
Atlanta? I was told they were not there at the last spring Comdex, but
had a great exhibit for the Falcon at the fall Comdex in Vegas.
Also, did anyone see this exhibit and if so what were your impressions?

Thanks,
judy
From: mfallero@doc.bmd.trw.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Falcon in Keyboard Magazine
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:09:51 MST

Anyone seen the latest KEYBOARD magazine?  There is about a page and a half
review of the Falcon.  It was pretty upbeat.

Mark Falleroni
TRW Ogden Engineering Operations
1104 Country Hills Drive
Ogden, Utah 84403
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Yeah ZNET newsgroup finally made it!!!
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:56:30 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Parnell New Zealand.

wmtwen@rw8.urc.tue.nl (Erlend Nagel) writes:

> Finally we have the alt.znet.pc newsgroup!!!!
> Great!
> Now I am only wondering why alt.znet.aeo never made it.
> 
> Erlend.

 Well that is a question beST left to the net gods, me thinks :)


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From: kllove@vigilanti.ecn.uoknor.edu (Kenneth L Love)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Closed architecture harmful? Maybe.. maybe not
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:23:44 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu) writes:

>The Falcon doc book says (page 7, Game/Entertainment Software Guidelines)
>to expect 640x480x256 color mode as the most commonly used video resolution.
>(The entire manual is copyright 1992 by Atari Corporation, otherwise I would
>have reproduced the entire page here.) They also say to make the games
>launchable from any resolution, and to return the user to the same desktop
>mode as they left on program exit, etc. etc.

I have a question...  Why wasn't this sort of thing done all along?

>My personal favorite tho - make the games installable on harddisk. I'll be
>really peeved at any game that ignores this one...

Me too!!!

                                                  Adios,
                                                  Kenneth Love
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Big name hype
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 22:49:58 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <71267@cup.portal.com> <2B285F48.14570@news.service.uci.edu>

Regarding Spectrum Holobyte and "Flight of the Intruder"..
 
The SH representative who answered questions about why SH was
NOT going to be releasing ANY more games for the ST said that
in the first (three?) months of its release, FOTI had sold
over 10,000 copies on the IBM platform, over 4,000 on the Amiga,
and only 700 on the Atari ST.  With numbers like that, they
couldn't justify putting any further resources into any other
ST releases.
 
I have no idea how a European release might have affected those
figures (would they have released an ST version in Europe, but
NOT a PC version there..?  Would that have changed the figures
ratio if they had released all versions there at the same time?)

Is it possible that US game buyers would have bought the US
version IF there was anywhere in the US to buy ST games..?
Mail-ordering from the few remaining dealers who stock games from
Europe (even if they originated in the US) is the ONLY way a lot
of ST owners in the US have to obtain new ST software anymore.

In any case, I really doubt an early European release would have
had a significant effect on a 10,000/700 copy ratio.
 
BobR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mrz5149@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: NTSC from SVGA
Reply-To: mrz5149@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:12:32 GMT

 Peter_Missel@k.maus.de (Peter Missel) Writes:
----------------------------------------------
>I don't think that the Mega STe has NTSC or RF outputs, either (at least not
>the one I looked at).

European Mega STEs have PAL and RF outputs.
----------------------------------------------

The MegaSTe I'm using right now has an RF out. As far as I know, all
production MegaSTe's have it.

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From: mppi76@cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de (Harald Schoenfeld)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Multi-tasking
Date: 17 Dec 1992 12:35:06 +0100
Organization: Regionales Rechenzentrum Erlangen
NNTP-Posting-Host: cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de

stevem@solbourne.com (Stephen Matson) writes:
>ersmith@netcom.com (Eric R. Smith) writes:

> Re: MiNT
>>
>>It's not only the de facto standard for multitasking, it's also
>>the de jure standard (i.e. the official one). 

>  I'm sure this is FAQ but is Multi-TOS going to be available 
>to all ST owners (At least those with enough RAM) or will it just be 
>on the Falcon?

A few days before the ATARI feast in Duesseldorf Sam Tramiel (or was
it another Tramiel) said MultiTOS will be available for the TT but
not for the ST.

As MultiTOS is running very good on the ST, too, I still hope
VERY much that this statement is not the final one.

-- 
Harald Schoenfeld (hs@cnve.rrze.uni-erlangen.dbp.de)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: itschere@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Torsten Scherer)
Subject: Re: Mint
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:15:06 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.
Keywords: Mint

In article <...>, moffatd@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Darren Moffat) writes:

|> Can someone please tell me what I would need to setup a network between 
|> to 1040ST's both will 2 floppy drives. (...)
|> I would like to use Mint to setup & manage the network but I do not
|> know which Mint archive files i need to get from a.a.u.e
|> Would someone mind telling me what they all do.
|> Darren J Moffat

Guess by saying 'network' you are speaking about unix-like networks with
remote drives etc. This doesn't seem to be possible, except that I've just
found a program called MX2NET.PRG which creates a simple network trough the
midi or rs232 ports. But the speed... But you can use MiNT to attach a second
ST via rs232 to your 'master' and run some kinda multi user system on it. In
this case you'll need the Mint 0.95 binaries, the initsnb.zoo package from
S.R.Usher and probably some tools, but why not get them and try?

-- 
TeSche (Torsten Scherer), Estudiante de la computacion en la
Universidad de Bielefeld, Calle de la Universidad 25, D4800 Ciudad de Bielefeld
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: healy@nosc.mil (Mike Healy)
Subject: Re: Piracy of software
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:42:06 GMT

In article <1g9uprINNqaj@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE> aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim) writes:
>In <1992Dec10.163208.17015@microware.com> jejones@microware.com (James Jones) writes:
>
>>In article <1g5lrqINNp3t@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE> kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de writes:
>>>I don't subscribe to this point of  view  at  all.  This  way  of
>>>looking at things overlooks the central fact that software piracy
>>>is tightly coupled to software overpricing...
>
>>Overpricing according to whom?  According to the people trying to rationalize
>>software theft?
>
>The fact  that  people  who  pirate  stuff  out  of  sheer  greed
>sometimes  like  to  abuse  this argument does not invalidate it.
>Software is overpriced according to a lot of  sensible  lines  of
>reasoning.  E.g. a good fantasy book is very comparable to a good
>fantasy game, in terms of intellectual effort and time  it  takes
>to  produce them. Nonetheless, a game is typically 10 to 20 times
>more expensive than a book. I think it perfectly appropriate  and
>justified to call this software overpricing.
>
>Greetinx, Jan

If software is overpriced, don't buy it. The price of what you
steal doesn't magically change what you are doing, therefore you
are still a thief if you steal things. 

There have been cases where an overpriced software product was
undercut by a competitor (eg Dbase-FoxPro) who provided similar
functionality at a lower price. 

Look, if you're gonna steal software, be honest enough to admit that
you're too cheap to buy it. Don't take some bogus lofty higher moral
justification. This is not directed at you personally Jan, just my 
general frothing-at-the-mouth reaction to hearing the same old
excuses :-)

Well, I've probably inserted my foot far enough into my mouth to 
produce some reaction :-)

Mike Healy

healy@nosc.mil

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mackie@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: RE: GIF/RAW/RCS/SPC ETC.
Date: 20 DEC 92 17:53:15 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

I haven't used it with GIFs that were less than 320x200, so I was unaware of
this problem.  As for the quality of pictures on my humble STE, it is
excellent.

Does anyone know where I can FTP targa files?

Brook
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: I am NOT making this up, OK?  (was Re: Closed ... <ho hum>)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 15:48:49 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec14.143451.19724@digi.lonestar.org> 
  <1992Dec14.193731.1968@news2.cis.umn.edu>
  <1gnve3INNhd9@life.ai.mit.edu>,<71828@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Dec17.195300.4758@news2.cis.umn.edu>

David Paschall-Zimbel writes:

>Personally, if *I* arranged a meeting with people at Atari, and *I* spent my
>own funds to get there to demonstrate a software package, *I* would want to
>call the shots as to who *I* wanted to talk with ... and if Atari decided th
>the appropriate people to speak with were, to me, inappropriate, I would hav
>told them so.


Well, *You* have obviously never dealt with *anyone* at Atari,
so *You* obviously don't know what *You* are talking about.
 
*You* go tell Leonard Tramiel to sit down and shut up, then *You*
come back and tell us all about it.

Should make for amusing reading...

BobR