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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:39:56 CST
From:         Jim Colten <IJIM@UMINN1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Using PIPES to move a RDR file to TAPE

On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:27:55 EST Richard Varenas said:
>On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:08:17 EST James Gu said:
>>You can do the following:
>>
>>'FILEDEF OUT TAP1 SL  (DEN 6250 ... ...'
>>
>>'PIPE reader 00c',
>>    ...
>>    '| qsam OUT'
>
>Will CC (Carriage Control) be preserved if it exists? Any caveats to using
>the above method?
>

Yes, although maybe not in the form you want.  Try:

'FILEDEF OUT TAP1 SL  (DEN 6250 ... ...'

'PIPE',
  '  reader 00c',
  '| nfind' '03'x ||,    /* discard TAG records */
  '| mctoasa',           /* convert MC carriage control into ASA */
  ...
  '| qsam OUT'

'FILEDEF OUT TAP1 SL  (DEN 6250 ... ...'

If you want to keep the tag records, you might something like:

'PIPE (end \)',
  '  reader 00c',
  '| a:nfind' '03'x ||,  /* special handling for tag records */
  '| mctoasa',           /* convert MC carriage control into ASA */
  '| b:faninany',        /* collect all types of records
  ...
  '| qsam OUT',
  ,
  '\ a:',                /* tag records come here*/
  '| spec . Tag data is:. 1   2-* nextw', /* make'em pretty*/
  '| b:                  /* re-introduce them into society */
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:02:45 EST
From: John Lynn <MADXJL@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.cmspip-l
Subject: Re: PIPES for OS/2 -- again.

In that talk with Bart Hetrick about pipes at an MVMUA, I think what
we were saying is that there are DOS pipes, OS/2 pipes, AIX pipes, but
*nothing* like CMS Pipes! Didn't mean to imply that CMS Pipelines were
available on those other platforms...
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:38:29 LCL
From:         "John P. Hartmann" <PIPER@VNET.BITNET>
Subject:      Moving a reader file to tape, retaining carriage control.

 RE: Moving a reader file to tape, retaining carriage control.

 Unblocked output, no labels, two tape marks:

    pipe reader | tape wtm 2

 Blocked 32K:

    pipe reader | block 32000 vb | tape wtm 2

     j.                                                john@vnet.ibm.com
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:40:07 CST
From:         Jim Colten <IJIM@UMINN1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: 'lookup' question
              11 Dec 1992 16:27:49 PST from <YOSSIE@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU>

On Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:27:49 PST Yossie Silverman said:
>How does one do a lookup with the key being a WORD rather than column
>range?  - Yossie
>

Ooooohhhh, that would be nice.  Extending the WORD concept everywhere column
ranges work would be nice.  Meanwhile, if you can live with a maximum word
length:

/* lookup on second word, it must not be longer than 20 chars */
'PIPE (end )',
 '  source_of_detail_records',
 '| spec w 2 1.20 *-* next',
 '| a:lookup 1.20',
 '| spec 21-*',
 '| destination_for_matched_records',
 ,
 ' source_of_master_records',
 '| spec w 2 1.20 *-* next',
 '| a:'
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:30:12 EST
From:         Scott Ophof <ophof@SERVER.UWINDSOR.CA>
Subject:      Re: Ascii sort:
Comments: To: CMSPIP-L@AWIIMC12.IMC.UNIVIE.AC.AT
              at Dec 8, 92 11:24 am

John P. Hartmann said:
> RE: Ascii sort:
>  ... | xlate e2a | sort | xlate a2e | ...

Thanks, John.  Found out I was barking up the wrong tree...

Regards & thanks.
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:27:55 EST
From:         Richard Varenas <VARENAS@DUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Using PIPES to move a RDR file to TAPE

On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:08:17 EST James Gu said:
>You can do the following:
>
>'FILEDEF OUT TAP1 SL  (DEN 6250 ... ...'
>
>'PIPE reader 00c',
>    ...
>    '| qsam OUT'

Will CC (Carriage Control) be preserved if it exists? Any caveats to using
the above method?


-Rich
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:52:30 LCL
From:         "John P. Hartmann" <PIPER@VNET.BITNET>
Subject:      Words wherever there is a column range.

 RE: Words wherever there is a column range.

 Interesting.  But, rather difficult from the implementation
 standpoint.

 For a rebuttal, see the paper on sort performance in the yellow
 UNIX issue of the AT&T journal.

     j.                                                john@vnet.ibm.com
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:40:48 EST
From:         James Gu <JGU@IBRDVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Using PIPES to move a RDR file to TAPE

Yes. In my application, I use mc2asa filter to convert CCs from
one to another.
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:18:41 CST
From:         Galen Tillery <RGTILLER@SAMFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Using PIPES to move a RDR file to TAPE

Greetings.

I have a need to move a RDR file to tape in a standard output format
(not SPTAPE).  Could someone please tell me if PIPES would be capable
of performing this function cleanly?
Thx, Galen

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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:08:17 EST
From:         James Gu <JGU@IBRDVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Using PIPES to move a RDR file to TAPE

You can do the following:

'FILEDEF OUT TAP1 SL  (DEN 6250 ... ...'

'PIPE reader 00c',
    ...
    '| qsam OUT'
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:27:53 PST
From:         Yossie Silverman <YOSSIE@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 'lookup' question

Ok, I got a few answers, all of them were things I thought of already.
In this case using columns wasn't possible because the rest of the data
was of unknown length.  What I did was 5 (FIVE!) lookup's following the
main one to reassemble the data (assuming that the key is the first word):

PIPE (end ?) ... | spec recno 1.10 1-* n | xlate 1.9 40 0
  | a: fanout | buffer | spec w1
  | b: lookup 11-* | spec 1-10 1 read 1-10 n
  | c: lookup 1-10 | spec 11-* 1 read w2-* nw | ...
  | d: lookup 1-10 | spec 11-* 1 read 11-* n
  ? ... | spec recno 1.10 1-* n | xlate 1.9 40 0 | e: fanout
  | b:
  | spec 1-10 | g: lookup 1-10 master | spec 11-* | ...
  ? b:
  | spec 1-10 | f: lookup 1-10 master | spec 11-* | ...
  ? a: | c:
  ? a: | g:
  ? e: | d:
  ? e: | f:

Anyway, you get the idea.

- Yossie

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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:27:49 PST
From:         Yossie Silverman <YOSSIE@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU>
Subject:      'lookup' question

How does one do a lookup with the key being a WORD rather than column
range?  - Yossie

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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:06:35 CST
From:         Galen Tillery <RGTILLER@SAMFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Using PIPES to move a RDR file to TAPE

Perhaps I should have been more specific (thanks for reminding me to
mean what I say Melinda :-).

I need to move an output file (print received from another user) from my
rdr queue to a tape (labels are not required although carriage
control is required to be kept).

The output format could simply be in print image format.

Thanks for any help, I can't seem to navigate this user manual too well.

Galen
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Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:41:17 -0500
From:         George Frajkor <gfrajkor@CCS.CARLETON.CA>
Subject:      Re: Re:Press control
              Brown" at Dec 12, 92 11:02 pm

James Brown writes:
>
>>  (some stuff deleted, quoting Kubaska and Szelepcsenyi from Slovakia....
>>Concerning the issue of "press control," I think that it is important to
> >realize that Slovakia is going through what may be considered essentially
> >a "nation-building" phase...as a new independent state. Sometimes it is
> >important to be aware of forces that can easily damage or even threaten
> >internal cohesion that a state such as the U.S.--a democracy for a long
> > time now--is much more likely to be able to "weather."
>

>  The "press" in the early history of the US was truly "free".  It was
> normal for an editor who favored one political party to refer to the
> leadership of the other side as apes dogs etc and to make up the most
> unreasonable tales about them.

         True enough, and modern journalists would admit that this was
also irresponsible.  Take the bragging by William Randolph Hearst that
his papers started the Spanish - American war with their
sensationalist articles about Spanish oppression in Cuba and the
Philippines.  That resulted in the American intervention in Cuba , and
that resulted in resentment, and that resulted in the Bay of Pigs and
Fidel Castro.   Censorship before the fact is one thing.
Accountibility after the fact is another.
   Americans seem to have real trouble with the concept of a Press
Council, which is an institution quite common in Canada and Britain
and which is not anywhere connected with government, but is set up by
the industry itself to police itself.  These councils can be very
useful. For one thing, they reduce libel actions, which has the
laudable result of increasing unemployment among lawyers, and for
another they ensure that journalists are judged by their peers and
according to acceptable journalistic standards.  It surprises me they
don't exist in the US.

> The bottom line is no one, including political, social, party leaders
> should do anything they don't want to read about in the paper. And
> just maybe they might not if the press is free to find out about it
> and publish it (in the worsed light possible).

      Indeed they should not, but can you name the times they DON't do
anything, but are still written about in the papers?

    Jan George Frajkor       _!_
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From:         GEORGE BAUER <BAUER@RCKHRST1.BITNET>
Subject:      9-nov-89

Can someone tell me the location of the list 9-nov-89?  And how to write
the SUB command?

Thank you.

george bauer
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:43:44 CDT
From:         "Richard J. Pugh, SUNY Albany" <RP0358@ALBNYVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Musings on the Infostructure, comment

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Up from the lurkers, raindear paws...

Hello All.

I also enjoyed Alan Emtage's essay on the "infostructure," and I would
like to throw in my $.02 worth.  Page down if not interested.

I found the corner store analogy an interesting one, but like Ms. Silberger
I find some flaws in it.  I expect that most Internet users will be working
through a "supermarket" of some sort: many things available, using some type
of organization scheme.  The "Corner Store" may exist for those users who have
only one or two fields of interest.  Mr Emtage mentioned tropical fish, for
example.  It may be that at a special service may arise that features material
on tropical fish, and not much else.  People who use this service may not
even be aware of what is going on elsewhere.  A tropical fish fan may spend a
lot of time in the local pet store, but may not know where the local Radio
Shack is (to continue the analogy).  Note however, that such Corner-Store
services would have a limited clientle; most users will be working through
a larger front, with a HUGE variety of topics to chose from.  Many will be
overwhelmed (which may be a good reason to have specialized services!).

Keeping things organized will be a big issue no matter how it is done.
Ms Silberger illustrated the futility of trying to organize everything by
an existing classification scheme.  The real horror is that with all of the
information floating around, some sort of indexing system will be needed
(many would say it is needed now), because who wants to sift thought everything
the Internet has ever carried, looking for that one specific topic?  I offer
no solutions, because I have none! (I'm just a student, what do I know? :-) )

One remote possibility would be a system of abstracting, much like the
systems for printed journals.  If information "repositories," such as FTP
sights, Listserv centers, Archie and Veronica sights, and so on, had an
index or abstract file (or group of files) illustrating what they have to
offer in the form of abstracts, then some of the classification issues could
be solved that way (my experience with Gopher et. al. is limited; for all I
know such a thing may exist in some places).  The result would be similar to
the system that exists for printed journals: electronic equivalents to the
various printed and CD-ROM abstract/index guides.

Problem: such a project would be FORMADIBLE!

OK, 'nuff said.

Richard Pugh
State University of New York at Albany
School of Information Science and Policy
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:31:33 CDT
From:         Barbara Ruth Campbell <CAMPBELL@ZODIAC.BITNET>
Subject: ALA Collecting Level Guidelines. Does anyone know of an update?

 Please reply to the author, not PACS-L.  thanks.

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

Does anyone on the PACS-L listserv know whether there is a 1992 or 1991
up-date to the ALA Collecting Level Guidelines that defines what each
collecting level represents?  For example, a Level 4 is the comprehensive
research level that indicates that the library collects materials for
doctoral and post-doctoral level research and supports faculty research
in that area.  I'm trying to find the title and ISBN if there is one.

Thank you.
Campbell@Zodiac.Rutgers.Edu
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:30:44 CDT
From:         Nancy Schiller <SFENANCY@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject: Internet Survey Update

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

Last week we posted a survey on Internet training and support to
PACS-L, BI-L, LIAISON, and NETTRAIN, asking people to complete
and return the survey by this Friday, December 11.  We would like
to thank those of you who have completed the survey to date.
Unfortunately, we have not gotten the number of responses we had
hoped for, or as even a representation--the ratio of librarian
responses to computing services staff responses is about 3 to 1.
To encourage more people to respond, particularly more computing
services/support people, we are extending the deadline to next
Wednesday, December 16.

If you think you would like to particpate but deleted the
original survey posting or never saw the original posting, I
would be happy to send you a copy of the survey form.
You can contact me at sfenancy@ubvm.bitnet or
sfenancy@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu.  I am collaborating on this project
with Jim Gerland, Manager of User Support, Academic Computing
Services, at SUNY-Buffalo.

To refresh people's memory, I am reposting here the introduction
to the survey.  Thank you.

SURVEY ON INTERNET TRAINING AND SUPPORT
Academic Libraries and Computing Centers:
Who's Doing What?

The survey is intended to find out:

o    What academic libraries and computing centers are doing to inform,
     instruct, and aid users in understanding, accessing, and using the
     tools and resources available on the Internet; and

o    If academic libraries and computing centers are working in concert,
     or, if not, how much they are aware of one another's efforts.

o    Joint projects between academic libraries and computing centers are
     of particular interest, and there are several opportunities in the
     survey to describe such collaborative efforts.

Nancy Schiller
Engineering Librarian
SUNY-Buffalo
sfenancy@ubvm.bitnet
sfenancy@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu
716-645-2946
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:28:54 CDT
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Subject:      ComputerTalk 12/19

From: Harry Goodman <goodman@igc.apc.org>
Subject: 12/19 ComputerTalk (PubRadio)

SATURDAY, 19 December 1992 1500-1559 ET  ID 92-S82-00012 Channel 12

        TOPIC: USING COMPUTERS TO HELP DEFINE & ACHIEVE YR GOALS

        HOST: Harry Goodman

        CONFIRMED GUESTS:

        KEVIN CARMONY, PRESIDENT
        Franklin Quest, Salt Lake City, UT

        OTHERS TBA

        The new year will soon be here and its a good time to
ask if we've met or made substantial progress toward achieving
the goals we've set for ourselves.  Too often the pressure of
daily demands seems to steal the time we'd hoped to devote
toward strengthening a relationship or achieving a greater
level of professional success.  Our calendars and ToDo lists
are too often designed to avoid imminent disaster.

        In this Saturday's (12/19) edition of _Your Expanding
InfoSphere: CommonSense ComputerTalk_ we'll explore how
personal computers and the right software can help us better
define and meet our goals.  We'll also look at PIMs, Personal
Information Management software, can help us harness the
fragments of information we accumulate each day.

LIVE call-ins will be accepted from approx 1530-1550 ET via
show line: 800/231-8255.

SATURDAY FEATURE:

        PLANNING HOLIDAY GIFT SELECTIONS (4) for both current
and prospective computer users. We'll share some of our own
holiday gift-giving suggestions -- from full systems to
stocking stuffers.

1500  1559  12               COMMONSENSE COMPUTERTALK

                                        92-S82-00012
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:33:34 CDT
Reply-To:     kwan@winthrop.org
From:         popwin@uu.psi.com
Subject:      Re: Linking CD drives

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Thanks for everybody who has given great advices, especially Doug Tremere from
Missouri Library Network Corporation.  I got my 9 CD drives working in a chain
 now!

Here is the summary of what I did:

One interface card (TCDIF8) is set to I/O address 300 (switch P1 on the card)
 while
the I/O address for the other interface card is set to 360.

I hooked up 5 Hitachi 1700s to card with I/O address 300, then a tower of 4 CD
drives (3700) to the card with I/O address 360.

Switches at the back of the 1700s drives were set up as drive 1 to drive 5.
Switches for the tower were set for us by the manufacturer (drive 1 to 4).

The Microsoft extension was installed with all defaults.

Then the config.sys was edited to include these two lines:
     \DEV\HITACHIA.SYS /D:MSCD000 /N:5 /P:300
     \DEV\HITACHIA.SYS /D:MSCD001 /N:4 /P:360

The autoexec.bat was edited to include:
     \BIN\MSCDEX.EXE /D:MSCD000 /D:MSCD001 /M:8

I was told that I can attach any number (1 - 8) of drives to either of the
interface card by just changing
     /N:x /P:yyy    where x is the number of drives attached to a card
                          yyy is the I/O address that you have set for that card

One other minor thing: you should have all cd drives loaded with disk and power
 on
when you boot up the computer.  Otherwise, it will take a LONG time to run
 through
the autoexec.bat.

Kathy Kwan
Winthrop-University Hospital
kwan@winthrop.org
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:35:55 CDT
From:         Eric Morgan <eric_morgan@library.lib.ncsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Why MLS?

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
        Reply to:   RE>> Why MLS?
>>  Agreed.  There should be more opportunities for the autodidact to become
>>  certified by examination.  In can see two paths to this:
>>  (1)...
>>  (2) Full membership in the profession could require passing a library
>>  science equivalent of the bar exam.

> Great idea. And to make sure they do not lose their edge, they would
> have to take the exam again every 5 years. That would be good for
> medical doctors and lawyers as well, and all the others.

I think this is a good idea too! This is the sort of thing that weeds out the
people who aren't committed to the profession, and requires people to keep up
with changes in the field.

Eric Lease Morgan
NCSU Libraries
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:28:01 CDT
From:         CHARPER@COLGATEU.BITNET
Subject:      Re: December Hunt Results, Pt. 1 of 3

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>The name "archie" does not derive from the comic book character.  You
>will note that we don't ever capitalize the name... that's not just an

That shoots my theory.  I had noticed that the name was never capitalized, so I
supposed that the name came from the cockroach archie of archie and mehitabel
fame.  (Oh yes, the more mundane origin of "archive" was apparent, too; but
sometimes we like to think others share a favorite fondness).

Cindy Harper
charper@colgateu
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