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From: MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu (Norman St. John Polevaulter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: FLASH a4000 price
Date: 11 Sep 92 02:06:35 GMT
 <1992Sep10.133656.4304@newshost.unh.edu>
 <1992Sep10.231953.13778@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy

In article <1992Sep10.231953.13778@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu
(Neal Wickham) says:

>>>      Safe Harbor, a rather large local and mail-order company is reporting
>>>a price of $2859 on the a4000.  The owner has been very very _very_ reliable

>This is probably right.  I just talked to a dealer here in Denver and he
>said he was going to retail the A4000 for about $3200.

H-m-m-m. We've already established that the cheapest Mac Quadra is much
pricier than this. What's the cheapest NeXT out there going for?

What a weird thought. Commodore (those incompetent boobs) may have the
cheapest '040 based machine on the market! Wild.

Follow up with midrange '020, '030 based AA machines and maybe an A4000UX,
and this could be the ticket to revive the American Amiga market...

[Your blood pressure just went up.]       Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
       DISCLAIMER: If it ain't money, Penn State doesn't care about it.
   "Ladies and gentlemen, I've suffered for my music! Now it's your turn!"
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From: 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG)
Subject: Re: The BOOK that will CHANGE YOUR LIFE
Summary: buy it buy it buy it buy it buy it buy it buy it buy it buy it
Keywords: book, paper, wood biproducts, gerbils, marc barrett
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:01:53 GMT

In article <53100@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:

[tons of very humorous stuff deleted]

>		UNKNOWN HIDDEN SECRETS OF THE ADVOCACY MASTERS
>		99 Unknown Secret Hidden Lane
>		________________, _____    _________
>
>What are the blank lines?  Well... like the price, the rest of the address
>is an UNKNOWN HIDDEN SECRET.  (It's on page 3!)  But we are confident that
>you'll be able to find us.  At least before the Better Business Bureau
>does....

Well done DAN!
I haven't laughed so hard in months!  I'm in a middle of a computer tute 
typing out this reply now.  Geez, the tutor and the rest of the class 
thought I'd gone insane!  They all crowded around the terminal to read.  
Only one amiga-dude understood it and he cracked up too...

Jim


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From: dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan)
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 03:32:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.025524.16629@tronsbox.xei.com> bleys@tronsbox.xei.com (Bill Cavanaugh) writes:
|Wrong.  That report is second-hand data from Marc's perspective, but
|it was a first-hand report.  By the way you're trying to twist the
|language, the only way to use a first-hand report as data would be to
|write the report yourself, then refer to it.

	That IS the only way you can use a first-hand report as data.  If you
are referring to events you did not personally witness, it's second-hand.

|
|Stop picking nits.  When Marc is right, he's right, and no semantic
|games will change that.

	While this is factually correct, it is irrelevant as Marc is never
right.


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From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Subject: Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate -- hopefully a rational debate, an I an ideali
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:36:21 GMT

In article <lasqoiINNjue@pollux.usc.edu> addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison) writes:
>>AutoConfig is nice, but you get to use it, what, once every couple of
>>years or so?
>
>The Amiga uses AutoConfig (tm) every time it boots.

I think the point he was making is that, while AutoConfig might be
invisibly used at every boot, the user only _sees the value_ of
AutoConfig when he/she changes the system configuration (by adding
expansion boards or whatever).  This happens relatively infrequently,
and after that, as far as the user is concerned, it might as well be a
hard-jumpered card.

Not to knock AutoConfig.  I think it's a great feature and a definite
plus for the Amiga.  I wish more systems had it, but I don't think
it's all that critical for most people (especially on the Amiga where
most people seem to content themselves with what's on the motherboard
already).

Paul


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From: dleslie@aludra.usc.edu (David Leslie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: WOC - A4000 - sunga rattef
Date: 13 Sep 1992 04:30:49 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep13.024644.12278@NeoSoft.com> peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>In article <18qt50INNlla@phakt.usc.edu> dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:
>> 25mhz 040 (processor module)
>            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^--- Explain. This sounds like an A3000 with a card

Yes, exactly. Like an A3000, without the 030, and with an 040 card in the 
cpu slot. It is a nice setup. You can use the same motherboard, and drop
an 020 card in for a low-end machine, an 040 card in for a high end machine,
and drop a RISC card in for me, thanks ;) The 040 card that is in the A4000
will drop into the cpu slot of the A3000. 

>> IDE HD interface  (Boo!)
>No, couldn't be. They wouldn't pull the SCSI on the MB. Would they?
>I'd REALLY like to see some GOOD justification for this, though. CATS?

Their justification is simple, cost reduction. As for the intelligence of
this, I dunno. If you are marketing a $3000 machine, then why go for
a tiny savings. The fact that they haven't finsihed their 32bit scsi(R&D
budget????) may have played a part as well.

>Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.

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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:16:22 PST
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <James_Mcormond.1875@jammys.ocunix.on.ca> by James_Mcormond@jammys.ocunix.on.ca (James Mcormond):

> american, so won't "quote" exactly what you said), simply have a life
> outside of computers and wouldn't want to spend the time?

    This is the same thing as saying that their life WITH computers
    isn't intense enough. If they do have the creativity, they don't
    have the will. This is also a gross generalization, because I have
    seen demos from American groups.

> jammer
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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 06:04:38 GMT

dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan) writes:
: 	Go rent Highlander II.  It's a great movie.  Trust me.

How disappointing.  :)

Seriously:  Hard facts aren't hard to get on this, guys.  Use a little
math, and you can figure out exactly how fast these resolutions are.

Not that it's necessary.  Marc Barrett's got more than enough facts to
go around, right?  Even if they're not his observations, not his
ideas, not his points.

Marc:  The chipset was amazing.  In 800x600 it was at least 4x as fast
as 320x200x1 on a 500.  Would you like to write a big post about this
observation, taking it as fact, and pass it around the net as if it
was some realization that you came to, that you knew all along, that
you somehow had some kind of inside track on?

I didn't think you would.  Marc, stick to facts.  Facts aren't those
funny little things you make up to support your beliefs, Marc.  Often
referred to as being truthful, facts are the things that can be backed
up.  You've got really bad experiences with backing yourself up.

Some of us are still waiting to hear retractions from your CDTV is
dead and AmigaVision is dead revelations.  But to be honest:  If you'd
have posted something to the effect of "I'm wrong, I apologize", or
perhaps a "My facts are wrong" or maybe even just acknowledged that
you'd made an error, it would be one thing.  Of course, that one thing
would have kept a lot of the respect that you've lost in the 160+
posts that followed under the CDTV is dead thread.

It's too late now, Marc.  You've shown us that facts are something you
gather, fabricate, and twist to use against others.  At least, they
are under your philosophy.

You're not worth a killfile entry, Mr. Developer.  Did you become a
developer to help the Amiga through rote fabrications of reality?  It
sure wasn't for programming or engineering development, was it?

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From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: A4000 - Early Impressions
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:43:44 GMT


I must say that Commodore has done a good job with the A4000.  I like
the modular design allowing the CPU to be upgraded.  The new graphics
capabilities are excellent.  The best part about the new system is the
surprisingly low price.  I still wonder about the recently advertised
A3000T/040 ($6000!).

There are a few things Commodore should be doing immediately:

1>  Advertise.  Of course.
2>  Drop the A600.  The base Amiga should at least include AmigaDOS 3.0
    and the AGA chips.
3>  Release a midrange AGA machine with 030 for about $1500 retail.
4>  Take advantage of the expansion provided in the A4000.  If third
    parties do not immediately release certain products, then Commodore
    should.
    a>  A 386 BrideBoard for less than $500.  Such a board can use the
        standard AGA graphics to provide full SVGA support.
    b>  A 24-bit display board.  This is an easy and inexpensive upgrade
        for the A4000.  The boards available now must create a 24-bit
        palette, while the A4000 already has this.
    c>  An 040/33MHz package would be nice.  They could include the 24-bit
        display as Apple does with the Quadra 950.

Anyway, I am not going to press for these things.  I will not be buying a
computer immediately, but I would like to see the Amiga last.

-- Gerald
From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: CD-ROM and A4000
Date: 14 Sep 92 10:52:50 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Edinburgh University

To all those wondering about the A4000, lack of a SCSI port, and CD-ROM
drives, has anybody actually considered that the drive for the A600
using the smart-card slot will also be usable on the A4000 and any
future machines C= introduce with a PCMIA interface?

Just think one CD-ROM drive for all future Amigas.  Past that you could
consider whether or not the drive will be usable on other PCMIA machines
(Apples' Newton?).  Those who criticised the A600 for its' lack of an
A500 bus perhaps didn't think far enough ahead.

	Mark

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From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Date: Mon,  7 Sep 92 08:25:38 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1992Sep4.034729.24084@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>
  <1992Sep4.103331.21984@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au>
  <mykes.0dg9@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG>

>
>This is my ovservation, based upon 2 months of owning my PC clone...  Word
>for windows, which is bundled WITH windows, is functionally identical to
>ProWrite 3.2 with the following differences:
>
>1.	ProWrite has a spell checker and thesaurus.
>2.	ProWrite supports multicolumns
>
>That's IT.
>
>
>Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)

It is? If you're talking about the word processor that comes with
Windows 3.0 (Yeah, I know about Windows 3.1), I was at a friend's
house a couple months ago, and realized I was late turning in a
magazine article. He had a few Amigas and a 386sx machine with
Windows on it, but I couldn't use the Amigas to write my article
to modem to the magazine because they were tied up 24 hours a day
doing some rather intensive ray-tracing (the results of which
you'll see in a couple months when Electronic Arts releases a
new game on CD ROM called "The Labyrinth".. but I digress) but he
let me use his DOS clone to write my review. So I fired up the
Windows word processor. Yeah it was quite similar to ProWrite but
the freakin' thing didn't even have a word count facility.

Now maybe you'd say "who cares" but I did because magazine articles
are assigned with a word count limit. So I dug all thru Windows
looking for something that could count words. Couldn't find a damn
thing. Then I looked all thru DOS for something that could count
words. He hadn't been on a DOS PD download binge yet so I couldn't
find anything there either... although one of those little
DOS commands may very well have been able to do a word count on
an ASCII save out of the word processor.. I sure couldn't figure
out which one. So I had to go online and start digging around for
something tht would do a word count on my completed article, and
I finally ended up on the Internet Relay Chat asking someone to
point me towards an FTPable outboard utility or little program
that'd just count words in a DOS ASCII file. Sigh. What a chore.

At any rate if you and I are talking bout the same Word Processor,
the one that comes "free" with Windows, check yours and tell me
if it has a word count feature. 

Harv
From: ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AGA Compatable A3000 - Why Not?  Isn't it possible.
Date: 13 Sep 92 19:00:09
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: slbfn@cc.usu.edu's message of 12 Sep 92 18:23:52 MDT

>>>>> On 12 Sep 92 18:23:52 MDT, slbfn@cc.usu.edu said:



slbfn> Somebody told somebody that told somebody that told me that...

slbfn> (In other words, a semi-true but possilby false rumor)


slbfn> The AGA (AA) CHIPSET WILL NOT WORK IN AN
slbfn> A3000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


slbfn> If this is true (which it may, or may not be...) then it F---S
slbfn> BIG time!

slbfn> However, I am no hardware dude (yet...  give me 4.3 years...)
slbfn> but isn't the arcitechture of the A3000 completely 32bit except
slbfn> for the path to the ECS?  And if it is, wouldn't it be possible
slbfn> to install the AGA in the CPU slot?  Of course, you'd probably
slbfn> have to change some Workbench memory locations, I don't know.

slbfn> I want a Commodore solution!  A 3rd party solution would be
slbfn> nice, too...


OK say you put the AGA chips on the new card that fits in the CPU
slot.  Now that should be possible as it is just the 030 bus. Can the
old half of the board be deactivate?  OK.  Now reroute the serial,
video, mouse, and keyboard connectors.  

Now the board has to plug into the Agnus and Denise Sockets also.
Maybe it can be done, but it wouldn't be pretty.

-- Andrew Hansford
   ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu 
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Amiga RAM
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:49:40 GMT


--
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From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Re: Doug Barney is the Antichrist (AW Lies: The Sequel)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 16:21:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.035604.25619@reed.edu> kuch@reed.edu (Jerry Kuch) writes:

>>Oh, come on! What is this, hate Doug Barney month?? for god's sake, we're
>>quibbling over MOPED prices now! This is getting out of hand. Ever heard of 
>>the concept of FIGURATIVE LANGUAGE???

>Well... it's not hate Doug Barney month...  I think it's more "hate Doug
>Barney decade."

Boy, leave off a smiley and people interpret sarcasm in an entirely
different manner. Somehow the keywords 'Antichrist', 'pea soup' and 'moped'
mean parody to me. Did everybody else put the AW Links thread in their
kill file? :).

Mark

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From: slbfn@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: AGA Compatable A3000 - Why Not?  Isn't it possible.
Date: 12 Sep 92 18:23:52 MDT
Organization: Utah State University



   Somebody told somebody that told somebody that told me that...

     (In other words, a semi-true but possilby false rumor)


The AGA (AA) CHIPSET WILL NOT WORK IN AN A3000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If this is true (which it may, or may not be...) then it F---S BIG time!

However, I am no hardware dude (yet...  give me 4.3 years...) but isn't
the arcitechture of the A3000 completely 32bit except for the path to the
ECS?  And if it is, wouldn't it be possible to install the AGA in the
CPU slot?  Of course, you'd probably have to change some Workbench memory
locations, I don't know.

I want a Commodore solution!  A 3rd party solution would be nice, too...

Greetings,

	Travis Carter
	slbfn@cc.usu.edu
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From: bleys@tronsbox.xei.com (Bill Cavanaugh)
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 13:36:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.042447.1678@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>
>>With the new SuperHAM available at resolutions
>>up to 1280 horizontally, I expect the images to be nothing short
>>of spectacular.
>
>Once we have the software to drive it.  Supposedly, TAD already does, in it's
>current release.  Anyone want to write a PD alternative?  We'll need new GIF
>and JPEG viewers, and IFF viewers too.
>

One thing about viewers...  Since amis pixels aren't square, and most
of the images are produced on square-pixel machines, viewers should
have some way to scale the image so, for instance, a 640x480 image
displays on a 640x400 amiga screen.

bill
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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: aga chipset for amiga
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 03:41:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep16.011938.6166@nntp.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
>
>Um, Skip, I'm assuming you directed this to me since you quoted my name 
>at the end of your reply. If you didn't direct it to me, ignore this reply. 
><Grin>

Actually, I was replying to G. Greene, who I believe was replying to
you.  But I read everything that is posted to this group and wouldn't
think of ignoring you.  :-)

>In article <1992Sep15.181829.486@cs.olemiss.edu> skip@cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>> 
>>You have stated that you have a nice PC and that you prefer the games 
>>on it to those that you have seen on the Amiga, so why should games on 
>>the Amiga concern you? 
>
>I don't own a PC myself, but use them all the time at work. Unfortunately.

Me too, but I don't find them to be so bad.  Granted, the machine that
I'm using is in most ways inferior to my A3000, but it is not bad for
a Clone.

>>Please don't consider this a jab at the PC, I program PCs for a living 
>>and find many of the games on the PC truly incredible given what the 
>>programmers have to work with.
>
>Jab all you want, I'll egg you on. Until June, I made my living on Amiga
>games, currently make it on MS-DOS disk and CD-ROM games, and in about 
>three weeks, I'll be making it on Sega Mega-CD games. 

Sounds like your job would be a lot of fun.  I hope that you'll be
able to return to the Amiga and/or CDTV in the near future.

>>That being said, I for one do not mind at all if the Amiga is no longer
>>seen as the best games machine.  
>
>Finally! I can justifiably call clones a "game" machine! <Big smile> 

They've certainly been called much worse names around here.  :-)

>>>>Gregg Giles (Dynamix, Inc.)                 BIX: ggiles 
>
>There it is. That's me! Have fun. 

I must have goofed and deleted the wrong name, whoops.

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BTW, I'm not positive, but didn't you guys write ArcticFox and maybe
a couple of other games for the Amiga back in the early days?  It was
one of the first games that I purchased for my A1000 and I had a great
time playing it.  The 3D graphics were nice, but the hands on the
control panel really blew me away!

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu



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From: derek@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Dariusz Bolski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 not in States?
Date: 16 Sep 92 03:55:08 GMT
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design

In article <1992Sep15.185758.23216@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
> He said that only VERY recently was the
>040 A3000T made avaialable to him.  He said there WERE selling in 
>Europe, but that it took a good while for them get get FCC approved in the
>US.

It seems to me that FCC keeps quite a few good Amiga products off the US
market.

>So, how many US Amigans gonna rush out and get their A4000s now?

All I know of but me :-( I got to wait for my wife approval :-)

>The dealer suggested 'You could go to Europe and get one but...'

>*Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu  

Dariusz Bolski
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