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From: bob.kenyon@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Bob Kenyon) 
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: XMAS 1847
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:46:00 GMT
Reply-To: bob.kenyon@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Bob Kenyon) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Freddy's Place BBS - Edmonton, AB - 403-456-4241

                  CHRISTMAS AT FORT EDMONTON - 1847


 "No tablecloth shed its snowy whiteness over the board; no silver
 candelabra or gaudy china interfered with its simple magnificence.
 The bright tin plates and dishes reflected golly faces, and
 burnished gold can give no truer zest to a feast...

 ...At the head, before Mr. Harriett, was a large dish of boiled
 buffalo hump; at the foot smoked a boiled buffalo calf...My
 pleasing duty was to help a dish of mouffle, or dried moose nose;
 the gentleman on my left distributed with graceful impartiality,
 the white fish, delicately browned in buffalo marrow. The worthy
 priest helped the buffalo, whilst Mr. Rundell cut up beaver tails.
 Nor was the other gentleman left unemployed, as all his time was
 occupied in dissecting a roast goose. The centre of the table was
 graced with piles of potatoes, turnips, and bread conveniently
 placed, so that each could help himself without interrupting the
 labours of his companions. Such was our jolly Christmas dinner at
 Edmonton; and long will it remain in my memory, although no pies,
 or pudding, or blane manges, shed their fragrance over the scene.

 From:

 WANDERINGS OF AN ARTIST AMONG THE INDIANS OF NORTH AMERICA

 Paul Kane

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Merry Christmas
Bob Kenyon                             FREDDY'S PLACE BBS
Edmonton, AB. Canada                   (403)456-4241

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


 * SLMR 2.1a * Taglines make great Christmas gifts!
From: brodesky@td2cad.intel.com (Michael Brodesky)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: North Face sleeping bags /PAcks
Date: 31 Dec 92 18:26:14 GMT
Organization: intel corporation



	I plan to pick up a North face sleeping bag and Pack. I would
like to spend about 120 to 180 for the bag and the same for the pack. 
Any recommendations? 


MichaeL
--
Michael Brodesky Internet Mbrodesky@sc9.Intel.com
UUCP : {pur-ee,qanad,oliveb,decwrl,hplabs}!intelca!mipos3!td2cad!brodesky
During the week I climb left to right. On weekends I climb up and down.
Rootbeer^2 = Beer ?             Were all in it together. 
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From: adykes@jpradley.jpr.com (Al Dykes)
Subject: X-C Ski Skins (again)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:19:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Unix in NYC



I want to buy a set of climbing skins. I recall that there
was a discussion of this topic last year but I can't remember what
brands were recommended. Can someone summarize and maybe update
the answer ?


Thanks.

Al Dykes
---------
adykes@jpr.com
From: kleinschmidt@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Travel in Chile and the Antarctic
Date: 1 Jan 93 02:36:26 GMT
Organization: NYU Medical Center, New York, NY 10016, USA


John Greeven (greeven@clipper.ingr.com) writes

>I just returned from a trip to Chile and would like to exchange 
>ideas about travel in these areas via email.

I have travelled extensively in Chile using Bitnet.  Contrary to 
common belief, travelling in Chile via Bitnet is much easier and 
safer than travelling via the Internet.  There is something about 
the compression/decompression technique used by Bitnet and the 
layout of their net that is much better suited to travelling in 
Chile than the corresponding features of the Internet.

My worst experience with travelling in Chile via the Internet was sheer 
horror.  The compression/decompression didn't work properly, and after 
threading myself in at the relleno.com Internet node, I emerged in Chile 
with a nose the size of my leg, one arm missing, and a third leg (from 
somebody else!) attached to my butt.  It was extremely difficult to 
convince the authorities that I wasn't some kind of freak animal that 
should be shot or vivisected by lusting academicians.  I finally managed 
to reverse-travel through the Internet C/D algorithm; miraculously I 
reemerged back home essentially intact.  The only permanent reminder of 
that horrendous experience is my nose: it's still almost a foot long, a 
very embarassing feature.

The other thing that's very important to be aware of is the spelling of 
the email address used to travel to Chile: chile@latinovm.bitnet.  Do 
not key in: chili@latinovm.bitnet!!  I did that once, and I wound up in 
a huge pot of boiling chili at the annual chili competition in 
Chilihuahua, Mexico.  The only thing that saved me was the fact that I 
was already bundled up in my 7-layer Andean expedition gear as I had 
expected to arrive on the shores of Lago Pueyrredon at >15,000 ft.

Jochen
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: travels on the backways
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:43:24 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Having reached the age and stage of decreptitude where long hikes are no
longer an option, I've taken to using a two wheel drive pickup and a light
weight hard sided travel trailer to go bounding down abandoned logging roads
and other remote spots. My consort and I have found a number of neat
places for people who aren't up to more than a mile or two of hiking or
aren't up to hiking at all.

I guess I'd like some discussion of access for the physically impaired. I'm
sort of tired of folks who let their dogs chase the wildlife, then get
annoyed with us because we have used an existing road and an existing 
pull off spot to leave a trailer. The idea that the outdoors is only for
the physically perfect bothers me. Please don't tell me to try conditioning -
we both have joint problems that restrict our activities. 

Feedback?
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: a722756@roper.mc.ti.com (W. Donald Rolph)
Subject: Re: Snowshoeing (sp?)
Originator: a722756@roper.mc.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments / Attleboro Mass / USA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:39:38 GMT


Assuming adeqaute snow (a problem in this era of global warming), the Adirondaks
are perfect for snowshoeing.  I am somewhat old fashioned, spo my preference is
the westover style (short tail slight turnup of toe) preferrably with neoprene
lacing (rawhide wont cut it in wet snow).

There are numerous other shoe equally as adequate, check your local climbing
supply shop.
-- 

Regards.
 
Don Rolph  a722756@pan.mc.ti.com WD3 MS10-13 (508)-699-1263
From: Carl.Seiler@f10.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Carl Seiler)
Sender: Jpunix@urchin.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: GPS, PC or non-PC?
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:15:00 -0500

In a msg on <Dec 23 16:41>, AT-Dreamer writes:

 A> You may go to the woods with this crap but I prefer a compass
 A> and my brain. (a map also helps)

I have a habit of sighting off of false peaks or the wrong chunk of rock
and using the most up-to-date forest service maps (usually showing
trails that were around in 1965).  Of course, it's all I've got to use.

Carl


Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: tkpowell@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Terry Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Lyme Disease E-mail Network...
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:50:47 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Dec22.035518.17931@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marc Gabriel) writes:
>
>
-> As for the symptoms, look for this:
->
-> * 60% of patients get a red, circular rash that appears to be spreading
-> inside out.
-> * Along with that, patient may develop headaches, feavers, fatigue,
-> stiffness, slight muscle or joint pains, and occasionally swelling.
->
-> Lyme is typically treatable at this phase.  If not...
->
-> * Untreated patient can expect neurological complications, ranging from
->"pins
-> and needles" feeling in extremities to periodic facial paralysis and
-> difficulty concentrating.
-> * So called "Lyme arthritis" (not a very good name, but it will do)
->develops
-> in most untreated patients.  It rarely becomes an problem instantly. 
->Rather,
-> it may originate from migratory pains that seem to attack many different
-> joints.  Eventually, the knee is the joint that is most in pain.
-> * Rarely, the heart is involved.  LD can cause hearbeat irregularities that
-> have been linked to a few deaths (not many).
->
-> Hope this helps.

Just a data point here.  I was tromping around in a clearcut a year ago
last June photographing bear grass.  This is prime deer=tick country. 
When I returned home I had a tick attached to my chest.  I removed  and
saved it.  Almost immediately I had the circular rash.  I went to the
doctor and they put me on tetracycline (I think).  They also were going to
id the tick but I never heard from them on that.  So far, I have had no
problems/symptoms of LD.  

Be careful out there.

Terry
From: jahn@guinness.Idbsu.EDU (Greg Jahn)
Subject: Chaco Canyon next week?
Reply-To: jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu
Organization: BSU - Data Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:57:55 GMT

Briefly, has anyone out there been to Chaco Canyon, New Mexico
in winter?  Is it reasonable to go there as a day trip from
Albequerque?  How are the roads?

mucho thanks

--
Greg Jahn Boise State Univ.| "Spoils of war are spoils of war,
/ jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu /|  says junk man, owner of the junk. 
/ dosjahn@idbsu.bitnet    /|  Grafitti man's got something to
/ (208)385-3891.thephone  /|  say. "   - John Trudell
From: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Antelope Canyon, Arizona
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:24:03 GMT
Reply-To: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I'm looking for information on Antelope (Corkscrew?)Canyon.
Has anyone out there done it?  How's access?  How dangerous?
Etc.

Thanks in advance,
Lair
From: rxr3@po.cwru.edu (Ronald S. Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: holiday travel around Ohio
Followup-To: rec.backcountry,rec.travel
Date: 30 Dec 1992 16:56:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: cosmos.ul.cwru.edu

In article <1992Dec17.183017.22538@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
lpanton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lauren C Panton) wrote:
> 
> 
>      My boyfriend has offered to take me on a three day trip for my birthday
> starting January 1 1993. I would like any suggestions of a fun and interesting
> place(s) to go that is within a 8 hour or so distance for Columbus, Ohio. I
> would appreciate any replies.
> 
>                          Thanks,
>                               Lauren


     I too, don't know your interests, but since you posted in the
rec.backcountry  group I'll take a stab at it. Good backpacking trips in
your area can be found in the southern part of the state, the Shawnee State
Forest and the Zaleski State Forest. Both have developed backpacking 'loop'
trails (42.8 and 23.5 miles, respectively) and can provide you with maps
marked with conveniently spaced water sources, points of interest,
sub-trails, day hikes, trail head parking, etc. I believe they are both
within 3 hours (SW) of Columbus. I don't know the numbers off-hand, but I
believe you can get them by calling the state tourist line; 1-800-BUCKEYE
(I hope I spelled that right! I'm not originally from Ohio.)
     Enjoy your trip. Wish I could get off a few days to go somewhere. :-)

Leave only footprints. Take only memories. Kill only time.
                             - Backpacker's Creed
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From: ag279@yfn.ysu.edu (Robert C. Knollman)
Subject: Re: Looking for best prices on tents, bags, stoves, etc.
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:58:34 GMT


Overall-- I find it hard to beat the pricing
from the Campmor folks In N.J.  Good Prices,
Good service, generally.  Most items are
usually in stock.  CA'em, ask for the
catalog.  they like to talk to scouters (you indicated
 1800-526-4784

Good Luck- Happy New Year
Bob
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu (Donald R. Newcomb)
Subject: Re: GPS, PC or non-PC?
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 20:10:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.164116.8275@seq.uncwil.edu> brant@seq.uncwil.edu (AT-Dreamer) writes:
>Carl.Seiler@f10.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Carl Seiler) writes:
>
>>In a msg on <Dec 21 15:01>, Anmar Caves writes:

Actually, I wrote this.

> >Loran? Omega? Transit? GPS? Celestial? Deca is arguable.
> >What about other things  you  use in  the backcountry?
>
>You may go to the woods with this crap but I prefer a compass
>and my brain. (a map also helps)

Well, then you should be thankful that those of us who make your maps
took that "crap" there first. Otherwise they wouldn't be much use.
-- 

Donald R. Newcomb                * Life only admits two states: 
dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu        * growing and dying. So what,
newcomb@usmcp6.bitnet            * if I've put on a little weight?
From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:40:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Maps in Binary form?  FTP sites for them?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry

In rec.backcountry, jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

> Does anyone know if there are topo or other maps in digital form
> available anywhere?

The USGS sells them on 3/4" mag tapes.

Bring your visa *gold*!!!! You'll *need* it!!!!

Bob (Yeah, they just updated from paper tape...;-) Miller
From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: HOLLOW POINTS in the backcountry
Date: 23 Dec 1992 13:48:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com

Nonetheless, competition among lending institutions is fierce in Western Appalachia,
and in that clannish environment the use of kevlar overalls is highly recommended.


In article lq2tol@titipu.resun.com, ed@titipu.resun.com (Edward Reid) writes:
>dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) writes:
>> An assassin is murdering loan hunters in the backwoods, by sniping from cover.
>
>Holy cow!  And just when I thought taking out a loan was safe because
>interest rates are so low!
>
>Edward Reid  (8*}>
>  eel:   ed@titipu.resun.com  or  nosc.mil!titipu.resun.com!ed
>  snail: PO Box 378/Greensboro FL 32330




Xref: sparky rec.backcountry:9853 rec.travel:16909
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.travel
Subject: Re: holiday travel around Ohio
From: <GA3MPSYF@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 22 Dec 1992 14:09:33 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

I beg to disagree about 'this is not the time of year for Old Man's
cave.'  The only reason it is not the right time of year is that it
has not been cold enough, long enough yet.  There is no more beautiful
sight than the canyon  (ravine?) when it is completely encrusted in
ice and snow.  Water seeps out of the canyon walls so that everything
is covered.  I try to pick an sunny day following a week or more of
cold weather.

Regarding the original request, I too am at a lose without some
clue as to your interests.   Gordon
From: guest@col.hp.com ()
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Unix Admin
Date: 21 Dec 1992 22:54:07 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdra.col.hp.com

Who cares?
From: wmccall@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: HELPRe: Looking for best prices on tents, bags, stoves, etc.
Date: 29 Dec 92 09:21:48 -0800
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <1992Dec28.001510.45923@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> I hope this is the right place to post, but here goes...
> 
> 
> Raingear:
> 
> 
> Stoves:
> 
> I'm pretty much set on a Whisperlite but I saw a stove the other day
> that looked similiar but was no heavier and burned like six fuels.  I
> think it was like a AMT or AST or something.  I want a stove that has
> the fuel attached remotely not under the burner.  I've always used
> sveas but am sick of stoves falling over and not lighting after
> pumping for hours.  I've heard good things about whisperlites but if
> you use one that has a remote fuel source let me know what you think
> about it.

The best stove that I have ever used is the MSR XGK. It is very light, burns a
number of different fuels and works well in all conditions.  I have used it for
summer and very cold (-30 C) winter camping and haven't had a problem with it
lighting or remaining lit.  This stove is designed for boiling water and does
this very well. It does not simmer well, but a bit of patient tweeking can get
it to simmer.
  
Warren McCall
Victoria, B.C.
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From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: Which pack: Gregory or Mountainsmith?
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:20:58 GMT

In article <C036Hp.6Ko@world.std.com>, ari@world.std.com (Ari I Halberstadt) writes:
> In article <C00CIs.Hp7@chinet.chi.il.us> eberg@chinet.chi.il.us (Erik Arthur Berg) writes:
> >   I'm trying to decide which pack to buy; a Mountainsmith Elite 5000
> >or a Gregory Nova.  
> 
> A few months ago I was looking at packs. Many people said the
> Mountainsmith tended to fall apart. I've only heard good things about
> Gregory. 

Well, I have never heard that the Mountainsmith falls apart, and I
have one, and haven't had problems with it (although I just got it
in early November).  It has lots of good features, a few more straps
and loops than I can think what to do with, and (the reason I got it)
infinite adjustability, allowing me to find a perfectly comfortable
arrangement.  Honestly, it's the first pack I ever had that doesn't
hurt my back or shoulders one bit.  I imagine, though, that once you
get into the stratospheric realm of prices (which both Mountainsmith
and Gregory inhabit) all packs are quite comfy.

-- 
/\    "I'm only a human girl person.  I ain't always perfect."--Rambling Rose
  \_][ <--NCAR Ilana Stern dod#009 r.b. cliff swallow ilana@ncar.ucar.edu    
      \______________________________________________________________________
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From: pecampbe@mtu.edu (Paul Campbell)
Subject: Re: Winter Boots
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:35:51 GMT

In article <4505@cvbnetPrime.COM> padams@cvbnet.prime.com (cvbnet) writes:
>From article <1hfsdmINNc8a@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, by au143@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mikael Niku):
>> 
>>         There has been some discussion about winter boots.
>> I'd like to ask (again !) if the concept of RUBBER BOOT is 
>> totally unknown to Americans, etc. !
>>  
>  rubber boots are not totally unknown. some of us refer to them
>as 'pacs'. the only trouble with rubber is it's too easily penetrated
>with a crampon. plastic boots help with that.

Oh..those are everywhere in the U.S. where there is more than a little
bit of snow. I don't use mine that much because my hiking boots are
more comfortable indoors (my feet sweat in pacs inside) and I try not
to end up in deep snow that often. Now that I spent the cash to get
a pair of snow shoes, I doubt I will use the pacs at all except during
Winter Carnival, where the snow statues are essentially mixed snow
and ice and your feet get cold real quick if you don't have a water-
proof boot (the snow is converted to the consistency of slush and
packed into molds and then allowed to freeze). Most people even use
the black, totally water proof gloves over the top of their normal
gloves so they don't spend half the night inside thawing their hands
and gloves, which get soaked as bad as your feet.
From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Yosemite concessionaire chosen
Date: 21 Dec 1992 21:24:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com

Forgive my asking the obvious and hackneyed question, but why on earth
is the Park Service sponsoring shopping centers in the middle of National
Parks?


Since national parks are already little more than Disneylands-in-the-woods,
I can't think of a better place for shopping centers  :-)

	Dave
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From: a722756@roper.mc.ti.com (W. Donald Rolph)
Subject: Re: Winter Boots
Originator: a722756@roper.mc.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments / Attleboro Mass / USA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:35:58 GMT


There are also a family of boots technically called vaporbarrier boots, with the
Korea Boot (black - felt insulation) and the Bunny boot (white - foam insulation)
being classic members.  These boots are superb for snowshowing and winter hiking
at sub zero temperatures, since they will ensure that the insulation stays highly
efficient, no matter what the prespiration of the feet may do.
 
There are some disadvantages (dishpan feet!, ocaissional snags with crampons
etc.),  but if you look closely at many antarctic films of modern exploration you
will frequently see the bunny boot.
-- 

Regards.
 
Don Rolph  a722756@pan.mc.ti.com WD3 MS10-13 (508)-699-1263
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: ST1T0@jetson.uh.edu (Carl Seiler)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Nice low-traffic hike in Central Colorado, San Isabel ra
Date: 31 Dec 1992 16:57:02 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
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In <1hu71nINNijf@hp-col.col.hp.com> jerryk@col.hp.com writes:

>  San Isabel National Forest is in the Wet Mtns, East of Westcliff,
> The range west of Westcliffe is the Sangre de Christo.
>

San Isabel National Forest is on both sides of Westcliffe, covering 
the West Mtns and the Sangre de Christos.  Along the top of the 
mountains, San Isabel NF backs up to Rio Grande NF.    

Carl



--
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Graduate Student                    |  University of Houston
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From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Nice low-traffic hike in Central Colorado, San Isabel ra
Date: 31 Dec 92 20:43:29 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1hv9reINN5jo@menudo.uh.edu>, ST1T0@jetson.uh.edu (Carl Seiler) writes:
> In <1hv8ouINN3lf@menudo.uh.edu> ST1T0@jetson.uh.edu writes:
> 
>>  In <1hu71nINNijf@hp-col.col.hp.com> jerryk@col.hp.com writes:
> I should add that I don't know of any mountain range that goes by San 
> Isabel, just the NF.  The San Isabel range was something the original 
> poster used in his/her post.  It just remained in the subject line.
> 
> Carl

San Isabel is the name of the forest as registered on the maps we
used.  The range is probably different, but anyone a very nice place
with low travelled trails.
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Enlightenment Happens?
From: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: stuff sacks or no fit
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:59:54 EST
Reply-To: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

On 12-23-92 DONALD R. NEWCOMB wrote:

drnIs this the right fit for a stuff sack? If the bag gets damp will it
drntake more room to stuff. Are there any secret tricks to get a down
drnbag to pack an inch or two farther down? Thanks,

You could get a looser-fitting stuff sack and sew compression
straps on it. Tight fit, compact, but easier by far to stuff. I
put three straps with delrin buckles around the sack, bar tacked
them down next to the buckle end, and 180 degrees around I put a
webbing loop for each one to feed thru (So it doesn't shift
sideways on the sack).

                   |
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                   |               Internet: eliot.gelwan@channel1.com

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