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From: rcsaito@cs.washington.edu (Richard Saito)
Subject: Re: Adam and Eve puzzle
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 05:44:40 GMT

In article <1502@rwja.umdnj.edu> bawagan@rwja.umdnj.edu (Hinayana Bawagan) writes:
>If this is an FAQ, please excuse me.
>
>     A scuba diver surfaced from the water and found himself in front of
>a cave.  He saw at its entrance the naked bodies of a man and a woman.  
>Immediately he concluded:  They're Adam and Eve.  WHY?

neither of them had a navel.

-Richard


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From: torbenm@diku.dk (Torben AEgidius Mogensen)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: Hofstadter:Riddle Sentence
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:23:31 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

mhz7c@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Mark H. Zollinhofer) writes:

>I just began perusing Hofstadter's book "metamagical themas"
>and found a sentence on page 44 that I can't decipher.  This is
>old by now so if someone out there can enlighten me, I'd be
>grateful.

>"f y cn rd ths, itn tyg h myxbl cd."

The first half translates to "if you can read this", but I can't
figure the last part. Maybe it is supposed to be nonsense?

In the first half all wovels are taken out (treating y as a
consonant), but that is apparently not the case in the second half.

	Torben Mogensen (torbenm@diku.dk)
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From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: Dead baby puzzle
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 00:20:38 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: rec

In article <1503@rwja.umdnj.edu> bawagan@rwja.umdnj.edu (Hinayana Bawagan) writes:
>If this is FAQ, please excuse me.
>
>A medical intern was summoned by his supervising doctor to the delivery
>room.  The intern was shown a dead baby.  The doctor asked:  How can
>you  tell if this baby was born dead or if the baby lived for some time
>perhaps a few minutes or even hours?

"Well, you were there, weren't you?"

The lungs would still be full of fluid if the baby was born dead, or
lived for a very short time?

-- 
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From: jimhsu@athena.mit.edu (Jimmy M.D. Hsu)
Subject: Re: Homographs
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:22:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.143530.10946@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, gblanken@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gerime P Blankenship) writes:
|> 
|>      How about these for a homograph that is a noun/adjective.
|>      Stable (a place for horses)
|>      Stable (what I am most of the time)

Dunno.  I pronounce them the same.
From: jf41+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jonathan R. Ferro)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: FAQ question...
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:34:06 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

bmb1021@ultb.isc.rit.edu (B.M. Buck ) writes:
> Puzzle:  Where can one get a copy of the FAQ for rec.puzzles?

I received the following by sending a message consisting of the single
line 'help' to netlib@peregrine.com:

--- Begin Forwarded Message

Instructions for Accessing rec.puzzles Frequently Asked Questions List

The index is a list of available puzzles, categorized by subject area.
Each puzzle includes a solution, compiled from various sources, which is
supposed to be definitive.  To request a puzzle, send a letter to
netlib@peregrine.com containing one or more lines of the form:

send <puzzle_name>

For example, to request decision/allais.p, send the line:

send decision/allais.p

or just:

send allais

The puzzle will be mailed via return email to the address in your
request's "From:" line.  If you are unsure of this address, and cannot
edit this line, then include in your message BEFORE the first "send" line
the line:

return_address <your_return_email_address>

If you really must have the entire list, please do not request it via
email.  Instead, send a tape (9 track or cartridge) with a return envelope
(including postage, please) to:

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From: ewald@math.lsa.umich.edu (Brian Ewald)
Subject: Re: Rhymes
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 12:06:33 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan, Mathematics Department, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Aug14.200431.152696@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> dsbb@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (D. SPENCER BEECHER) writes:
>Can anyone out there rhyme month, hungry, angry or orange?
>

The four eng-
Ineers
Wear orange
Brassieres.

I forget who this is by, but I like it.

--Brian D. Ewald
ewald@math.lsa.umich.edu

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From: jes@downey.dev.macsch.com (John Schiermeier)
Subject: Re: Riddles
Organization: The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 19:47:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.172956.23286@Princeton.EDU> shari@room.Princeton.EDU (Shari L. Landes) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.213109.16597@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> lhmaddox@netmail.austin.ibm.com writes:
>>How about:
>
>>26 L in the A
>
>26 Letters in the Alphabet
>
>Here's some of by own...
>
>2      E in W   [If you get that, you're doubleplusgood]

"e"s in "Wednesday"?

>4      T Z in the U S

Shouldn't it be 6, or C U S ?  There is Alaska and Hawaii-Aleutian.

(all others deleted)

John
From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: Homographs
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:11:24 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

rad2r@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Robert DeLine) writes:

>I friend recently asked me for two homographs (words spelled the same
>but pronounced differently) where one was an adjective and the other a
>noun.  He swears there's only one.

At the close of this rec.puzzles discussion, you will know close to a
dozen more!


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From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: Virtual reality puzzle
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 22:24:15 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Aug18.002339.17501@hellgate.utah.edu> tolman%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kenneth Tolman) writes:
>
>  It is the year 2056, and the first perfect virtual reality simulators
>have hit the market.  So you buy one, bring it home, and plug into it.
>After a few days of fighting orcs, swinging through jungles and living
>on Jupiter making peace with aliens you decide to visit your wife.
>
>  So you unplug it, walk around the house, looking under beds and in closets
>until you realize she is at work.  She walks in the front door, and.....
>you realize that you MIGHT STILL BE IN THE VIRTUAL SIMULATION.  The 
>simulation is hooked into your house computer, which has been recording
>everything for the past few years.  It also is hooked into the local
>and global networks containing all the information about what is going on.
>The vitual simulator could be simulating your real life- and you might
>still be attached to it.  Even when you "unplugged" it merely simulated that.
>
>  What is a sure way to know if you are in the real world or the virtual
>one?  That is the puzzle.

You can't.  Note your specification of "perfect" virtual reality
simulators.
-- 
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From: jimhsu@athena.mit.edu (Jimmy M.D. Hsu)
Subject: Re: Slaughter of the Innocents
Keywords: puzzle Bible New Testament
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:25:55 GMT

Observe the subtle variance of the coloration
of their footwear.  Hence, if it is a girl, she
wears Reeboks with pink lines and decoration.
If it is male, note the Black and Red Air Jordans.

:^)

-Nutboy, the next superhero sidekick!
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From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Who pays for the drinks
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:08:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.191350.9259@javelin.sim.es.com> gfowler@javelin.sim.es.com (Gary Fowler) writes:
>Pardon me for being olbique, but I just don't understand the problem.  It
>seems that the premise for the puzzle is faulty.  It would be impossible
>for the currency to be devalued on each side of the border.
>
>$1 M = $.9 US in America and $1 US = $.9 M in Mexico?  That equation just
>doesn't compute for me.

I think someone explained this already, but the official exchange
rates for currency almost never match the exchange rates that you get
in practice, at least in a free-market situation.  For one thing, if
you're a bar owner and you need to pay your rent in US dollars, you
will need to go to a money changer to convert any Mexican dollars you
receive into US currency.  The money changer charges a percentage of
the amount for her service, so if the official exchange rate is
US$1.00 = Mex$1.00 then you might get US$0.97 for each Mexican dollar,
and it's trouble for you as well, so you in turn give your customers
only 90 cents value for each Mexican dollar.  The Mexican bartender
does the same, only with the names "US" and "Mexican" interchanged.

When I last visited Canada the exchange rate was maybe US$1.00 =
Can$1.15, but establishments in Maine discounted Canadian currency at
20%, so you spent Can$1.25 to buy a $1 beer.  On the Canadian side I
got maybe Can$1.10 or less at the money-changing station.  (But you
could do better by going directly to the banks, maybe Can$1.12, and if
you bought gas at the Irving they gave MORE than Can$1.15 to the US
dollar and gave your change in Canadian dollars that you could spend
in a restaurant--such a deal!  They must have wanted either US
currency or US tourist business a lot :-)

So much for personal experience.  I never saw anyone give change in
foreign currency, but why not, saves a trip to the money changer.

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
From: gah2468@bcsaic.boeing.com (Geoffrey Hazel)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Licence Plate: what does it mean?
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:03:55 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle


I saw a personalized plate I can't figure out (on a non-descript car):

MEDJGRE

Any one got a clue what it might say or mean?
-- 
Geoff Hazel                  | Haven't you got some real work to get 
gah2468@bcsaic.boeing.com    | done now?
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From: tycchow@riesz.mit.edu (Timothy Y. Chow)
Subject: Re: FAQL: unexpected.p
Organization: None.  This saves me from writing a disclaimer.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 04:18:58 GMT

One other comment: when I was searching for the papers in the library, it
took me a while to work out that "Aust J Phil" was the *Australasian* and 
not the *Australian* Journal of Philosophy (which doesn't exist, although
there are many journals of the form "Australian Journal of X.").  Perhaps
this is common knowledge but I almost concluded that our library didn't
carry the journal.
-- 
Tim Chow     tycchow@math.mit.edu
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30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and weigh
only 1 1/2 tons.                               ---Popular Mechanics, March 1949
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From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: How come? puzzles (SPOILER and new one)
Keywords: Does anyone have any?
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:25:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.105412.28994@dde.dk> ct@dde.dk (Claus Tondering)
writes:

>A man is pushing his car. He stops in front of a hotel and goes
>bankrupt. How come?

He got fined $50,000 for not reading the faq.

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
From: lbkruij@cs.vu.nl (Kruijswijk LB)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: Riddles
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:09:49 GMT
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, Vrije Universiteit, Amsterdam

In article <1992Aug18.035401.16594@csl.sri.com> ronnie@cisco.com (Ronnie B. Kon) writes:
>|> 88     K on a P
>Keys on a Piano
Many piano's have only 85 keys!

Greetings,

Lucas B. Kruijswijk					lbkruij@cs.vu.nl
From: lhmaddox@netmail.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: Riddles
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:31:09 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In  <1992Aug14.172353.17944@news.acns.nwu.edu>  mmass@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Massing) writes:
> > 57 H V 
> > 9 P in the S S

9 Planets in the Solar System

> 
> And let me add a few of my own:
> 
> 13 C in a S

13 Cards in a Suit

> 54 C in a D (with the J)

54 Cards in a Deck (with the Jokers)

> 5 B of M
> 4 Q in a G

4 Quarts in a Gallon

How about:

8 B in a B
12 D in a G
26 L in the A

Ren Maddox

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From: stevek@cco.caltech.edu (Steven P. Krekeler)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: Slaughter of the Innocents
Keywords: puzzle Bible New Testament
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:59:23 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

asymes@nl.oracle.com (Andy Symes) writes:

>This is one I saw in an old puzzle book.

>After King Herod had completed his sluaghter of the innocents, all the little
>children were buried in a mound of earth with just their feet sticking out.
>How do we know which were boys and which were girls???

Am I confused, or were only _males_ under the age of two slaughtered?

-- 
- stevek@alumni.caltech.edu
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From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: ducks and foxes (HINT)
Keywords: ducks, foxes
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:56:00 GMT

In article <3872@sicsun.epfl.ch> llobet@elpp1.epfl.ch writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug13.102552.27971@nntp.nta.no>, stein@hal.nta.no (Stein Kulseth FBA) writes:
>|>|> >     The question is, can the duck escape?  Why or why not?
>|>|> 
>|>|> Suppose the fox runs at a speed 23mph and the duck swims at 5mph. Can
>|>|> the duck escape now?
>|>
>|>Suppose the fox to duck speed ratio is a (a=4, in the original puzzle,
>|>a = 23/5 = 4.6 here)
>|>
>|>Now the duck may swim out to (not including) a radius of r/a, while still
>|>keeping the fox exactly opposite the pond centre. Now for the duck to
>|>be able to escape we must have 4*(r-r/a) < pi*r <=> a < 4/(4-pi) ~= 4.65979
>|>
>|>So, still no duck!!
>
>Where does your 4 come from? It should be a ! Then, the criterion for
>the duck to escape is a < pi+1 = 4.14159... If the duck swims at 5
>mph, the fox needs only to run at 20.708 mph to have dinner.

Not if the duck is smart.

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From: dgenr8@leland.Stanford.EDU (Tom Harding)
Subject: Godel's Theorem
Keywords: Godel
Organization: it wouldn't mean anything to anyone anyway
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 15:05:50 GMT



Is the following statement true or false?  Why?

This statement has no proof.

  -Tom Harding
From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: Virtual reality puzzle
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:46:39 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

tolman%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kenneth Tolman) writes:

>  It is the year 2056, and the first perfect virtual reality simulators
>have hit the market.  So you buy one, bring it home, and plug into it.

>After a few days of fighting orcs, swinging through jungles and living
>on Jupiter making peace with aliens you decide to visit your wife.

>  So you unplug it, walk around the house ...

>  What is a sure way to know if you are in the real world or the virtual
>one?  That is the puzzle.


Trivial:  Open up the VR machine in your Real/VR homes, and examine EVERY
  component.  The VR machine cannot possibly store the details of its own
  construction (where would it store them?).


Of course, it might just look like a SEGA Master System 10, and you not
know the difference...


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From: ksampath@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Krishna S Sampath)
Subject: x'word clues from rec.photo
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:54:07 GMT


here is a puzzle that appeared in rec.photo recently....i am sure some
body can help this person!

krishna

>
> From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
> Newsgroups: rec.photo
> Subject: crossword clue really annoying me
> Message-ID: <zlsiida.69@fs1.mcc.ac.uk>
> Date: 12 Aug 92 10:59:50 GMT
> Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
> Lines: 20
> Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk
> 
> 1. Fish, photographer (6) 
> 7. Divided agricultural area or add-on lens (5-5)
> 
>   + 
>  +++I+F+E+D            1. is the down clue
>   +                    7. is the across clue 
>   A
>   +
>   T

> All I can think of for 7 is SPLITFIELD but then I can't get anything that 
> makes sense for 1.
> 
> Grrrrr
> 
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From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: CWC14 winners
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:09:21 GMT

Well, since I'm going on vacation for two weeks beginning next Monday, 
I decided for the first time to try to solve the CWC clues, instead of 
submitting clue entries.  I have to say it was a lot of fun!

In article <1992Aug20.090536.28428@quantime.co.uk>, roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes, with some editing by me:

> The winning clue for the second word is:
>
> "When We Were Very Young" thrilled, even after the introduction
> of Christopher Robin (9)

I figured this one out first.  I have to admit that I guessed a likely
word first, from the length and from a guess at which part of the clue
was the definition, and then figured out the justification.  It was a
very clever clue, but I prefer to be able to piece the answer together 
from first principles, so to speak.

> The winning clue for the first word in CWC 14,
> and my choice for overall winner, is:
> 
> Moody Blues start off with LP's first wild number (6)

This one had me stumped for quite a while!  I came back to it three times,
and almost gave up, but then managed to figure out the pieces...at which
point the answer popped out at me.  Exactly the way I like it!

Kudos to Guy Jacobson <guy@ulysses.att.com> for these great clues.

-- Nail a crazy, grim poster to rec.puzzles.crosswords (5,5)
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From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: Hebrew months.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 07:07:00 GMT

In article <FY.92Aug20101631@hardwick.lucid.com>, fy@lucid.com (Frank Yellin) writes...
> 
>ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid) writes:
> 
>>How the hell am I supposed to know all the Hebrew months, . . . 
>                       
> 
>Tishrei
>Heshvan
>Kislev
>Tevet (or Tebet)
>Shvat
>Adar
>Nisan
>Iyar
>Sivan 
>Tammuz
>Ab
>Elul
> 
>The only ones I've ever seen in a crossword puzzle are Adar, Iyar, and
>Elul.
	Thanks; it was Tebet.  I'd better save your post -- not many Jews
where I grew up, except in Shakespeare's plays :-).

Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
From: guy@ulysses.att.com (Guy Jacobson)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles.crosswords
Subject: ACC6 entries
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:59:09 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories


Here is the full list of clues submitted for ACC6, together 
with an explanation and my notes.  I've sorted them by type; the
ones marked with asterisks are the "finalists" that I really liked.
The winner (marked with a **) squeaked by the some of others; on
another day I might have picked any of the finalists.

Concealment and removal clues.

*   The best surface has no waves (3)
      ACE   =SURFACE    -   SURF	

	[I like this clue because it explicitly defines the
	 bit taken away (SURF), unlike the others in this category]

*   First place at the finish (3)
     ACE =  ___

	[This clue reads extremely naturally]

    Arrogant flyer comes in last place (3)
	   ACE    =                ___

	[The same idea; not quite as natural]

    Some pacemakers may give new lease of life to this winner (3)
	  ---                                         =  ACE
	[Call me a dunce, but I didn't get this clue.  If it's
	 a simple concealment, then what is the function of the
         long "may give new lease of life" middle part of the clue?
  	 The clue was sent to me without explanation]


Two meanings.

**  Unreturned service card (3)

	[Very natural and short, and contains the daring definition
	 "Unreturned service" without giving away the show.]

    One good pilot (3)

	[Short and straightforward, but a bit obvious]

Backwards container &lit.

*   Some serve carefully and one can't return it! (3)
	     ----              ----

	[Wow! A double backwards concealment. Quite a feat, and
         with few wasted words.]

    A serve one can't return -- there it is! (3)
	      ----

	[Same idea as above, but only one concealment]

Notes and letters.

*   "Every second letter an 'A'"? Great! (3)
     A(b)c(d)e; A = ace in cards; Ace! = Great!

	[Very clever; two meanings plus a reference to the recent
         contest-winning entry <<Every second letter an 'A'? Bananas!>>]

    Use notes to construct a winner (3)
     A,C,E (musical notes) = ACE

	[Nice idea, but musical notes is too vague for A,C,E.  I would
	 have liked something like "A minor card (3)" much better]


Other charades.

    Cold cuts?  Flip each one (3)
     C  in  backwards EA =ACE

	[Conceals the meaning well]

    A church expert (3)
    A + CE =  ACE

	[Short and straightforward]

    First class play: "No time for irrationality" (3)
        ACE    =ACT    -   T    +    E

	[I didn't like the use of irrationality to indicate the
	 irrational number E here.]


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