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From: yuta@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Lao Ya)
Subject: Re:   [Info]  Visa  Application  in  China/Irregularities........
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 02:05:16 GMT

In article <BtIAss.5zo@news.udel.edu> zheng@brahms.udel.edu (Xian-Feng Zheng) writes:
>>Are you chinese ? You are just a pig. Your opinion is not correct.Japanese  
>>killed our brothers ,raped our sisters in the world war II.Do you forget?
>
>
>So what?
         So a pig is a pig!
Lao Ya / UofR


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: rj@Cadence.COM (Randy French)
Subject: Room for rent in Santa Clara
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:46:28 GMT


August 25, 1992


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From: v999rke8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Shen Tong's Showdown
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:08:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BtyKnw.932@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, I990002@UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (T. Bao) writes...
> 
>It is really interesting that Shen Tong's timing to trigger the most
>sensitive nerve between China and US coincided with several big things.
>His wisdom and calculation was used to the best. Very impressive.
>His sacrifice will definitely trade off: passage of greencard bill,
>endorsement of congresspersons and Democrat's precident candidate.
>No, he won't sacrifice that much because the US will take care of him
>very well. That's for sure. Masters always take care of their running
>dogs.
> 
 There must be somebody who takes care of you.

 There are some people who take care of anything but their homeland. And 
 they can never understand those who are different from themselves. That 
 kind of people can best be called Jiang4 Gang1 Qu1s, as Bo2 Yang said.  


>Shen is giving Bush a pair of small, yes, very small, shoes to wear. The
>shoes are so small that Bush is in real miserable situation. I feel sorry
>for George that even with his well established political skill he may
>still lose his career in the hands of a young democrat from China. Who says
>that Chinese Americans are not very good at politics?! Look at the
>new immigrants from China and you will get encouraged. Some of them
>may get into Clinton's cabinet. If I were Clinton, I would promote Shen
>to be the embassador to Beijing. The reason: Yellow can only be beat
>by Yellow ( Yi3 Huang2 Zhi4 Huang2). ;0
> 
>Well, it may be a good idea to change my major to political science so that
>I can get some leftover in time. Oh, I should cover up my political
>ambition. Yes, I am gonna fight for democracy and human rights in China.


 Would you go back to China even knows somebody is taking care of you?


>The most glorious job ever existing in this confusing world.
> 
>Democracy fighter, what a beautiful name!
> 
>T. Bao

Your full name should be "Fighter Fighting against Democracy". That is 
beautiful in your eyes.



Hsi
From: shanwang@sara.cc.utu.fi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CCP's new leniency.
Summary: funcy
Keywords: do you agree with me ?
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:04:56 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

&>>In article <1992Sep1.014713.16275@uxa.ecn.bgu.eduu (Tingli Pan) writes:  |
&>>In article <1992Aug31.123816.1@max.u.washington.edu> shgton.edu writes:  |
&>>From this piece of CCP's record, I do not think that I still trust CCP.  |
&>>What is your opinion about CCP?                                          |
&>>                                                                         |
&>> If you are a US citizen or PR, usually you can trust CCP. But if you    |
&>> a Chinese citizen, especially living in China, I bet you won't.         |
&>> Tingli Pan                                                              |
&>>                                                                         |
&>>	Ha, don't be so negative to this new phenomenon cause the  society  |
&>>	evolute so much. But please estimate oneself thoroughly that if he  |
&>>	is qualified to get such a Leniency ...                             |
&>>                                                                         |
&>>	This is a ever-last truth 8-)                                       |
&>>	Have fun !!!                                                        |
&>>                                                                         |
&>> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
 |      please d|n't flame at me. I just speak out the words you are        |
 |      about to say ...                                                    |
 |  	                     -- this is a naive young computer pussy        |
 |                                                                          |
&>> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
From: hiebeler@think.com (Dave Hiebeler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Can't get CND-globle news
Date: 25 Aug 92 12:39:27
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: custard.think.com
In-reply-to: u6064043@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au's message of 25 Aug 92 07:42:41 GMT


  I did not get any CND for many days, then suddenly they all showed
up at once.  Now I seem to be not getting them once again.  I assumed
it was a mailer upstream from me causing the delays, but maybe the
problem is more widespread.

--
Dave Hiebeler                  | hiebeler@think.com
Thinking Machines Corporation  | (617) 234-4070
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:46:47 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <65500075@acf3.NYU.EDU> yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes:
> (deleted)
>find it.(It's that because of our system's problem?), Tibeta did practice
>slavery system, you like it or not, that is the fact, the USA practiced

I doubt this. According to recent post on SCC, it seems more like a serf system
rather than a slavery system. 

======================================
     The nomad families in Lagyab Ihojang owned their herds, managing
and disposing of them as they wished. But they were not free to leave
the estate and move with their livestock to the estate of another
lord, even if that lord welcomed them. They were hereditarily bound to
Pala (_Lagyab Ilojang_) and to their lord. If a situation arose where
a family felt compelled to take its livestock and flee to a new lord
(for example, due to a dispute with the lord's officials), the
receiving lord would normally have to negotiate a payment to the
original lord to compensate for the loss.
======================================
(From: Nomads of Western Tibet: The Survival
of a Way of Life_, Melvyn C. Goldstein and Cynthia M. Beall,
Univ. of California Press 1990. Posted by yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang))

-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Organization: New York University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:47:00 GMT

usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>Again I am not a Tibet independence promoter. My point here is 
>that it is up to the people to decide their future. Why people 
>in Illinois don't want to be independent? Why people in 
>Hawaii don't want to be independent although the  
>majority people there are non-white? Why Germans want to 
>re-unite? Why so many countyies in former USSR want to leave? 
>Why Czech and Slovakia want to seperate? I guess it's their 
>choices, right? They vote for their futures. 
Mr. Carl's argument totally comfused me here, let's leave
the first line and the last line of the paragraph alone whose logic
relations with the whole paragraph are yet to see for me. let us 
concentrate at the center part. he declared his "point" there,  
he first ask why who and who want to what and what, then, 
he gives a very stringent conclusion, wanting so is their choice, right?
>from you too. In fact I disagree with Tasim in some aspects 
>but I like the way  he faces all the personal attacks. I bet 
>he was angry because he was treated so  
>brutally but he still has not lost his individual dignity.
Mr. Carl, it's amazing that I always find you look at things from a 
different angle from mine, in this case, it seems that, Mr. Tasim's
view is irrelevant, but his way facing attacks really moves you,
because it is such an effective way remaining dignity, right?
>Carl
Have fun, take it easy.
Ze Yang
P.S. Mr. Carl, please break your article into smaller lines
, the blank spaces appears after each line accutally don't 
take space. I made a request to you before, but it seems that 
you ignored that, just because you want keep your dignity? 
Integrity is the first, man!
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: I'm very disappointed in Chinese
Date: 2 Sep 92 04:54:31 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Sep1.113239.12546@cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@mulga.cs.mu.oz.au (Joyous Dave) writes:
>Now, I really believe that Chinese are a grain of sand.  PLEASE PLEASE
>PLEASE prove me wrong by posting some suggestions on how to improve
>the country!

One can start by thinking less about MILITARY power and expanding the
territories under own's control, and more about improving the lives of
people in China.

In particular, decreasing Tibetan autonomy is a bad move.  Doing that
will only serve to increase ethnic tensions, and will ultimately
weaken China.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Subject: Re: A New Fa-Guo-Nan-Cai Theory :-)  Re: A real story
Organization: New York University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:08:00 GMT

/* acf3:soc.culture.china / usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) /  8:28 pm  Aug 26, 1992 */
In article <1992Aug26.231953.20713@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu  
(Chunde Shi) writes:
> In article <1992Aug26.222042.6238@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
(Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug26.214839.18126@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu  
> >
> >Oh, did you?! Good! So, at least you are claiming that you have a little bit  
of  
> >something respectful.
> >
> >Carl
> Please do not play game with me! 
> focus on issue, the original one, or leave along.

Ok, I was talking about a group of anti-social people who will not fit in any  
societies. They will complain in all kinds of societies. It has nothing to do  
with whether they love their motherland or not. Their are simply losers. If you  
think you are among them, then I am sorry. If not, then welcome you to join in  
the discussion.

Also, do not always relate anything with patriotism. You are here not only for  
just showing your patriotism. If you relate anything with patriotism, then I  
bet you will feel insulted almost everyday. Please try to keep your  
blood-presure low.

Regards

Carl
/* ---------- */
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: A New Fa-Guo-Nan-Cai Theory :-)
Date: 26 Aug 92 04:04:48 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

    In article <BtJtzz.9os@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> (25 Aug 1992) Bo Xiong
writes,

> They [upper/older generations overseas Chinese] didn't like KMT/CCP,
> and they left China for good, when they settle down abroad, therefore
> had NO FEAR about KMT/CCP, they go back to kiss KMT/CCP -- in the guise
> of loving China, loving her more only when they are abroad, and enjoying
> their "superior Chinese status" but NEVER go back to live under KMT/CCP
> (they know what they will be if they go back to live there :-) ...
> [They] stupidly cursed KMT/CCP when they just came abroad, then they had
> to eat back their own sh*t when they went back to kiss KMT/CCP (or eat
> KMT/CCP's sh*t :-).

    Bo, you overlooked something here.  Our US-borne patriots' love to
China knows no limit.  They cannot care less of how CCP would treat them.
However,

    "I've been in US for so long, my wife and children are all used to
living in America.  I'm afraid, it will be too hard for them to adjust
to a life in China."  The standard explanation, infallibly followed by
a saddest sigh one can ever find in a man who is still alive and has no
apparent health problem.

    So, a suggestion to our male nationalist CSS: Never marry when you are
in US.  If you are already married but the wife is still in China, never
sponsor her to US.  The lack of female's soft touch may make your life a
bit miserable, but the misery surely turns you to missing China more :-).

    Then what about if the nationalist is already married and has wife and
children all happily living in US?  Well, go to bathroom, maybe, and eat
back your own sh*t when it is fresh.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mece2az@rosie.uh.edu (Sun, Xiaohua)
Subject: King
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:19:00 GMT

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:24355 soc.culture.taiwan:12634 soc.culture.hongkong:10291
From: raju@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daryanani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Hello from news reader in China
Date: 31 Aug 92 10:26:25 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <9224415.24361@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:

>1/4 of China's Nukes are in Xi Zang.  For the sake of security, (especially
>when India and Pakistan have Nukes) it's better to absorb Xi Zang into
>an integral, inseperable part of China.

By that logic the Soviet Union should have absorbed all of Eastern Europe, 
since they had nuclear weapons there and they needed a buffer between them and 
Britain and France who also had nuclear weapons.  Did anyone bother to ask 
them whether they wanted to be absorbed by the UUSR?

>Also, we know from Chinese History that many Civilizations (Barbarians)
>have been assimilated into the Hans culture, in particularly the Manchus
>and the Mongols, I don't see a problem with Zang.

But do the Tibetans want to be absorbed by China?  Or is just that since China 
is better off in some way by absorbing Tibet they should?

>... sorry about mentioning MTR, I thought HK MTR and
>HK Rail belong to the same company.

It's the KCRC, Kowloon Canton Railway Corporation.

>I think it's fair to re-claim the teritories which are rightfully
>China's.  Outer Mongolia was a part of China until the Russians invaded,
>and forced it to declare independance.  And China, being a "Little
>Brother" of USSR, agreed to it... mainly because of loss of War.
>I wonder what will happen if UK decided to recognize HKG independance?
>It would be the same.  It is a part of China until all the "unequal"
>treaties signed after unjustified Wars.

I agree that territories that belonged to China should be returned to it, but 
a question arises.  When does a territory belong to a country?  As you can see 
from the Middle East, the Israelis have claimed Israel because their ancestors 
lived there 2000 years ago, yet for nearly 2000 it was the Palestinians who 
lived there.  Who has the greater claim to it?  In the same way China once 
controlled parts of Korea, so should it now get them back?

I'm not trying to provoke a flame war here, just pointing out that we all tend 
to get very self-righteous when it comes to our countries, believing that we 
have been cheated out of our land by neighbours who were stronger than we were 
at some point in the past.  Nobody bothers to think about the flip side, which 
is that our countries also took land from weaker neighbours in the past.  If 
you go back a thousand years then China only extended up to where the Great 
Wall now is, which probably cuts the country down to half of it's present 
size.  Should that be the limit now?  Should all the land West of the wall be 
returned to it's original inhabitants.

I think we'd all be better off if we all were less chauvinistic and let 
bygones be bygones.

Raju
--
Raju M. Daryanani
raju@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xyang@bcars279.UUCP (Sherry Yang)
Subject: Re: 'Wild Swan'
Reply-To: xyang@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:23:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.103139.6025@bradford.ac.uk>, H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG) writes:
|> 
|> 5.  She is now a lecturer in the University of London,
|>     married to a British husband and live happily 
|>     ever since.
|> 
|> (freelance reporter Wang2 Hong2wen2 )

I'm glad to hear that one more pretty Chinese woman (she is
quite attractive as the pictures in the book show) built her
happy nest without destroy other people's happiness but solely
by her honest hard working.

One more thing I forgot to mention in my earlier comments
about the book "Wild Swans" is that by reading the book,
go through every movement and learn various people's
lives, one may gain a better understanding about why CCP, in her
early stages with full of enthusiastic, idealistic, devoted
Chinese youth, finally degenerated to today's corrupt 
demoralized party.
From: hanzheng@acf3.NYU.EDU (James Han,Meyer 827,998-7758,(212)260-4530)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Anonymous mail
Date: 31 Aug 92 02:26:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

/* acf3:soc.culture.china / DengXPing@beijing.china.etc /  2:48 pm  Aug 30, 1992 */
No, I'm not from UCI.

DXP
/* ---------- */

Let me take a shot. Did you originate the messages from NNTP host 
ucivax!gateway ( Univ. of California at Irvine ) ?  If this host 
has been configurated to be able to trace fake e-mails, then SA
on this computer can trace you furthur...  Or you are SA on this
node.

Take it easy!
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: [News] PRC Announces Further Loosened Policies on Overseas Students
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:01:04 GMT

In article <(~{5K6,F=~})DENG.92Aug29185616@math12.dd-ap.rhic.bnl.gov> deng@dd-ap.rhic.bnl.gov (~{5K6,F=~}) writes:
>>>>>> In article <1992Aug29.074205.2115@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
>>>>>> "Min" == Min Zhao <mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>
>  Min>    To end, let me say, mice or human, we all need to respect another
>  Min> fellow being's own judgement and choice.  I understand this is
>  Min> impossible sometimes, for example, some people just believe they are
>  Min> morally more correct than others, some places one has no choice,
>  Min> such as in the cat land for the poor mouse.  But let's try as much
>  Min> as we can to help the free judgement and choice of each individual,
>  Min> and try to respect that.
>
>Hmmm, do you respect some thugs' judgement and choice to beat you up?  ;-)

 The thugs can force or brainwash you to if you don't.  Weren't some CCP
 apologists beaten up by CCP, deadly?  Yet they have been aplogying for CCP
 ever since.  What does CCP government want the families of 6.4 victims to
 say about the killing?  And what if they say something opposite?

-ping
From: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Please educate this man
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:45:22 GMT
Reply-To: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

If Judy Mann had called me, I would have suggested that
multiculturalism is explicitly wrong, because it denies
the superiority of Western values as a way of life for
humans (in effect, setting up situational
ethics relativism for cultures).

-- Newt Gingrich
   Republican Whip
   U.S. Representative (R-Ga.)

   From a letter to the Washington Post Sept 2, 1992
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: The Chinese Dream for That Small Little Thing: A Vote.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:59:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.174938.9548@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, cyc@z.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes...
> 
>To be able to vote will eventually make people respect individual's rights.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Wrong! We have been able to vote. The diference here is that we were only
allowed to vote for one candidate and the result is well known even
before the vote. But it was still called vote. Only after individual's
rights being respected, can a real vote be possible.
Changqing



>In most of the democratic elections, the winning party may win by a small 
>margin. So, even a few percentages of minoritis will make difference 
>between win and lose. It is 'voting' that will make people respect other 
>people's right as long as a political party  want to win in an election.
> 
>Yi-Chieh
From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What is love in Chinese sense.
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:24:11 GMT
Organization: New York University

mtl@cs.brown.edu  writes:

>In article <liqiang.715296442@kramden>, liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li) writes:
>|> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 
>|> >(7). When a Chinese loves a non-Chinese (including Hongkonger and
>|> >     Taiwanese), what is behind the love.
>|> 
>|> Hongkongese and Taiwanese are Chinese.
>|> 
>|> 
>|> Li, Qiang
>|> 

>When I went to Beijing last year, I had to pay 55 Foreign Exchange Cewrtificates to
>see the forbidden city because I am from Taiwan. 
>People there called me Tong-Bao(Fellow Countryman), but when they try to make money from
>me, they treat me as a foreigner.


Visiting the Mainland has been more expensive than ever not just for Taiwanese,
Hongkongese and foreigners. As a matter of fact, if you are a CSS overseas
w/P.R.C. passport planning to go home for a visit, the following information
might be useful:

When it comes down to money, you are generally obliged to pay at the level
they treat foreigners except for the 1st 15 days of your 1st visit. As an
example, I spent PRC$440(+an additional PRC$50 at the airport for airport
maintenance tax) for my flight from Shenzhen to Shanghai 2 days after my
entry into China in late May this yr(my 1st visit since I left). However,
20 days later, the return flight cost me 770 FCC(+an additional PRC$25
at the Shanghai Airport).

If you want to save money in a private restaurant (some Taiwanese choose
not to), please take some care to conceal the fact that you have been
overseas; otherwise, you might get overcharged.

I think such absurdities will disappear eventually. Right now they are trying
to boom business with these absurdities. To avoid unpleasant experiences,
my suggestion is to find a reputed travel agency that specializes in 
tourism in China to offer a package to you.

- Li, Qiang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zou@bluebonnet.egr.uh.edu (Xiang  Zou)
Subject:  Request for Anonymous post!
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:48:11 GMT

In soc.culture.china article  
<1992Aug28.030429.16193@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> you wrote:
> Who says anonymous posting is not possible. Can you figure out the
> originator of this post? Send me a request and I will tell you how!
> 					            A.P.

It is a kind interest to know that one can post anonymously and read the  
discussion about this.

I really want to share this fun but, however, I do not know how to do  
this. Would you please tell me

how can I post anonymously and what the basic step to trace back.