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From: x90mumtaz@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Re: Predictions , not mine
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:03:52 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Jul22.153718.7983@unislc.uucp>, ramana@unislc.uucp (Ramana Ramachandran) writes:
> airdg@castle.ed.ac.uk (Richard Grey) writes:
> : In article <1992Jul21.152121.4663@gw.wmich.edu> x90mumtaz@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> 
> [...]
> 
> : >that tournament, but non could defeat Pakistan. Therefore PAK stands a very 
> : >good chance of not only getting into the final but also winnig it.
> : >
> : >Atif[ whose views are ALWAYS based on facts] Mumtaz
> : >
> : >E-MAIL: X90MUMTAZ@GW.WMICH.EDU
> : 
> : 	Without meaning to be racist, but there does seem to 
> : 	be mainly Indians and Pakistanis posting to this
> : 	newsgroup, and hence giving their (biased) views that
> : 	their respective teams are going to win 2 out of the
> : 	three medals in Barcelona.
> 
If Indians and Pakistanis are posting their views to this newsgroup then
as my Indian friend Ramana mentioned it is due to our love for this game.
Hockey lovers from other countries have as much right to express their 
views as much an Indian or a Pakistani. If you think Australia or for that
matter any team other than any Asian team can win Olympics thats all right
with us. You are TOTALLY FREE TO mention it. 

Secondly, it is being predicted that 2 out of the three medals will be
won by NON ASIANS! and not as you say. If the name of Pakistan is 
being mentioned, it is simply because of their great past performance . 
Remember in 1990 world cup Pakistan reached the final which it lost 
to Holland. In the 1992 BMW challenge it was the reverse with Holland 
ending up as a losing finalist to Pakistan. Thus if the name of 
Pakistan is mentioned as one of the would be --medal winner-- then it 
is CERTAINLY not a baised view.  


Atif Mumtaz
x90mumtaz@gw.wmich.edu

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From: bholu@nyx.cs.du.edu (  Bholu)
Subject: India vs GB
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 11:14:33 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: India vs GB
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The match began with both teams trying to settle into a rythm and
there was no serious challenge in the first 10 min by either
team.  Kerly then broke through from the left and earned a free 
hit just outside the Indian D when he was checked but the hit 
wasn't taken properly. Shortly after that GB earned its 1st PC 
when an ineffective clearnace from the Indian rt. back saw GB 
take possession on top of the D, followed by a swift pass into 
the D and then a foul by one of the Indian players. The PC was 
converted by Hill when he sent in a strong flick into the middle 
of the net.  India counter-attacked and earned a PC but it was 
saved  by the GB goalkeeper. India earned a 2nd PC following a 
move b/w Jagbir Singh and Shakeel Ahmed on the lt. flank but 
could not capitalize on it. Just before half-time India earned a 
third PC but a poorly executed attempt to flick the ball in saw 
another opportunity go down. Half-time 1-0 to GB.

The second half started at a fast pace and once again Murgesh 
Kumar and Felix combined well on the rt. for Murgesh to send in a 
beautiful cross from the Gb baseline but none of the 3 forwards 
could take advantage of it. Two substitutions; one each by India 
and GB. Free hit on the left side near the GB D was taken by 
Pargat and Pillay connected but the shot was saved. Another move 
from the rt. won a long corner for India. Pargat's strong hit 
into the GB D was deflected off a GB player's stick and Felix 
quickly picked up the free ball and with a strong push sent it 
across into the left corner of the goal. 1-1. Kerly then broke 
through taking advantage of a defensive lapse but his shot missed 
the left post by inches. GB then reversed the pressure. The rt 
winger managed to get past the Indian backs and pass it to Kerly 
who deflected it into the far side of the goal as the GK came out 
to meet the GB forward. 2-1 to GB. Another burst from the rt 
flank for GB and the ball was passed to Thompson who was left 
unmarked and he swiftly put the ball into the roof of the goal. 
3-1 to GB and 8-10 min of play left. The Indians then missed 
another PC, their 4th. A 5th PC was awarded to India but with 
only 1 1/2 min remaining India had lost the match. The 5th PC led 
to another PC and that to yet another one but the hooter sounded 
before it could be taken. Final score GB 3, India 1.
From: ramprasa@cstr.ecn.purdue.edu (Ramprasad Ramakrishna)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Re: Predictions , not mine
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:48:57 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

>and it gave the following prediction for medals
>Gold - Germany
>Silver - Australia
>Bronze - Pakistan
>

SI must have consulted a person who new hockey, since on present form this seems the bookies choice too. 

Anyway it is my feeling that as long as the Dutch have Bovelander on song , thay havr a great chance .Remember Lahore 1990. when Bovelander just carried the team through. 
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From: dam@fwi.uva.nl (Joris van Dam)
Subject: test matches
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:25:05 GMT

Last night, July 23, the dutch played a final test match :

WOMEN
Spain - Holland	: 1 - 1
Surprisingly bad performance from the Dutch. The Spanish equalized in the last 
few minutes through a penalty flick. Througout the game, the Spanish played
very rough, constantly attacking the legs of the Dutch. The Dutch protested
and a few were sent of with yellow cards. The refereeing was very, very bad.
I hope this does not set the tone for the tournament, that the 'lesser nations'
try to get their points through very defensive, rough and unsportsmanlike play.

Australia A - Australia B  : 2 - 3
Comments from the Dutch press: " The Australian women hockey team is convinced
they will play in the finals, and expect to beat the Dutch there. Therefore,
they practiced against thier B-squad who were dressed in the Dutch outfit.
The B-squad won 3-2" This 'trick' was also pulled off at the EC final this year.
The Scottish opponents of HGC from Holland dressed themselves in the Dutch
national colours to scare of their opponents. Here also, tyhis trick failed.

MEN
England - Holland : 2 - 2
England took an early lead in the first half and kept it until halftime. In the
39st minute Bovenlander (who else ?) equalized. Once again, England took
the lead, 2-1, but Bovenlander kept Holland alive in the 69st minute. I 
am afraid that the Dutch are counting to much on Bovenlander. They have
a lot of talent in their group, but the talent seems to be paralized and 
restricted to forcing penalty corners. Together with their rather weak defence,
it is time the Dutch woke up

NOTES
While the Dutch were training penalty corners, Bovenlander missed his target 
but rocketed the Dutch coach, Jorritsma, who had some trouble walking thereafter
The training was followed with interest by Carsten Fischer and a New Zeeland
Cameraman. Since the taping of trainings is not allowed the cameraman was asked
to leave. He responded he was tapin Bovenlander for the youngsters at 
the school in his home town. Jorritsma proclaimed they came up with some
very interesting corners, unknown to anyone outside the squad. Wonder where
they practiced those ?

Joris

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From: hasnie@ecn.purdue.edu (Rizwan Hasnie)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field,rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: MEN'S HOCKEY POOL POSITION
Date: 29 Jul 92 01:55:47 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


 
Team positions on July 28, 1992.

                       POOL A
                                   Goals  Goals   
                       P  W  L  D   For  Against  Points                       
          Australia    2  2  0  0   12     1       4
          Germany      2  2  0  0    5     0       4
          Britain      2  1  1  0    2     2       2
          India        2  1  1  0    1     3       2
          Egypt        2  0  2  0    1     5       0
          Argentina    2  0  2  0    0     8       0 



                       POOL B
                                   Goals  Goals
                       P  W  L  D   For  Against  Points
          Netherlands  2  2  0  0    8     4       4
          Pakistan     2  2  0  0    5     1       4
          Spain        2  1  1  0    5     3       2
          Unified Team 2  1  1  0    9     8       2
          New Zealand  2  0  2  0    0     4       0
          Malaysia     2  0  2  0    4    11       0
 
Rizwan
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Tuesday
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:30:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.0095E3E0.CE4203A0
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services

hi there

India beat Argentina 1-0
CIS beat Malaysia 7-3

bye,

************************************************************
RAM            		       BULLS -93	

Politicians' statements tend to have a low specific gravity.
They carry less weight  than their volume would suggest.
		- Jonathan Miller
************************************************************
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Great Britain - India a report
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:08:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.0095E567.A2D44420
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services

Postage courtesy of the following user who is
unable to post it.

From:	IN%"bholu@nyx.cs.du.edu" 30-JUL-1992 06:25:23.84
To:	IN%"5912ramasubr@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Hockey


Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: India vs GB
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The match began with both teams trying to settle into a rythm and
there was no serious challenge in the first 10 min by either
team.  Kerly then broke through from the left and earned a free 
hit just outside the Indian D when he was checked but the hit 
wasn't taken properly. Shortly after that GB earned its 1st PC 
when an ineffective clearnace from the Indian rt. back saw GB 
take possession on top of the D, followed by a swift pass into 
the D and then a foul by one of the Indian players. The PC was 
converted by Hill when he sent in a strong flick into the middle 
of the net.  India counter-attacked and earned a PC but it was 
saved  by the GB goalkeeper. India earned a 2nd PC following a 
move b/w Jagbir Singh and Shakeel Ahmed on the lt. flank but 
could not capitalize on it. Just before half-time India earned a 
third PC but a poorly executed attempt to flick the ball in saw 
another opportunity go down. Half-time 1-0 to GB.

The second half started at a fast pace and once again Murgesh 
Kumar and Felix combined well on the rt. for Murgesh to send in a 
beautiful cross from the Gb baseline but none of the 3 forwards 
could take advantage of it. Two substitutions; one each by India 
and GB. Free hit on the left side near the GB D was taken by 
Pargat and Pillay connected but the shot was saved. Another move 
from the rt. won a long corner for India. Pargat's strong hit 
into the GB D was deflected off a GB player's stick and Felix 
quickly picked up the free ball and with a strong push sent it 
across into the left corner of the goal. 1-1. Kerly then broke 
through taking advantage of a defensive lapse but his shot missed 
the left post by inches. GB then reversed the pressure. The rt 
winger managed to get past the Indian backs and pass it to Kerly 
who deflected it into the far side of the goal as the GK came out 
to meet the GB forward. 2-1 to GB. Another burst from the rt 
flank for GB and the ball was passed to Thompson who was left 
unmarked and he swiftly put the ball into the roof of the goal. 
3-1 to GB and 8-10 min of play left. The Indians then missed 
another PC, their 4th. A 5th PC was awarded to India but with 
only 1 1/2 min remaining India had lost the match. The 5th PC led 
to another PC and that to yet another one but the hooter sounded 
before it could be taken. Final score GB 3, India 1.


[ Having problems posting it on the net. Could you do it for me as it is
unlikely that I will be back soon. Thanks.]
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From: lodhi@seas.gwu.edu (Fakhar Lodhi)
Subject: 1992 Olympics - Men's Hockey Tournament Summary - 2nd Round
Originator: lodhi@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:32:59 GMT

    1992 Olympics - Men's Hockey Tournament Summary - After 2 Rounds
    ----------------------------------------------------------------

                                POOL A
                                ------
                                                    GOALS
                                               ---------------
    | ARG    AUS    BRI    EGY    GER    IND  |  for   against   PTS   POSITION
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ARG |  -     0/7                         0/1  |   0       8       0        6
AUS | 7/0     -            5/1                |  12       1       4        1
BRI |                -     2/0    0/2         |   2       2       2        3
EGY |        1/5    0/2     -                 |   1       7       0        5
GER |               2/0            -     3/0  |   5       0       4        2
IND | 1/0                         0/3     -   |   1       3       2        4
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                                POOL B
                                ------
                                                     GOALS
                                                ---------------
    | CIS   HOL    MAL    NZ     PAK    SPA   |  for   against   PTS   POSITION
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
CIS |  -    2/5    7/3                        |   9       8       2       4
HOL |  5/2   -                          3/2   |   8       4       4       1
MAL |  3/7          -            1/4          |   4      11       0       6
NZ  |                      -     0/1    0/3   |   0       4       0       5
PAK |              4/1    1/0     -           |   5       1       4       1
SPA |        2/3          3/0            -    |   5       3       2       3
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

NOTE: Position is based on points and goal difference.

Fakhar Lodhi
From: adusumel@redskins.ent.ohiou.edu (Nagendra R Adusumelli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Re: The same story again
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:58:12 GMT
Organization: College Of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University. Athens

In article <1992Jul30.184602.16696@cc.gatech.edu> sougata@cc.gatech.edu writes:
>Isn't the situation all too familiar?
>Indian hockey team plays well before a major tournament (in some meaningless matches) and the cries arise "India is back to its glory days", "Indian team will win the gold", etc. 
>Who were the guys who were arguing in the net about the Indian team?
>My only question to them is "Have you learnt your lesson now or will you gain 
>start singing the praise of the Indian team before the next World Cup ???"
>
>- Sougata [have learnt my lesson a long time back].
>
>

Sad but true.

-Nagendra.



-- 
"When in doubt do what the President does -- guess."  
"If at first you don't succeed, redefine success."
"Today is the first day of the rest of the mess."
More ramblings from: nadusume@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu/nadusume@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
From: 2674alis@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Scores ???
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:43:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.0095E4BC.8148BC60
Reply-To: 2674alis@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services

Can someone post the result of Pakistan's 2nd match.
Thanks in advance.
From: sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: artificial turfs
Date: 27 Jul 1992 08:27:39 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Regarding
==========

    ARTIFICIAL HOCKEY PITCHES HELP RICH NATIONS

    By Alister Doyle     TERRASSA, Spain, July 21, Reuter - India
and Pakistan, the traditional superpowers of world hockey, will
be starting their Olympic campaign with a built-in disadvantage.
With artificial pitches costing a whacking $700,000 apiece, they
simply can't afford to prepare for competition on level terms.
Britain, whose men's hockey team struck gold at the 1988 Seoul
Olympics, has well over 300 artificial pitches of the type being
used at the Barcelona games.     In Pakistan there are just seven,
of varying quality. And in India, where the men's team won eight
Olympic golds up to 1980 but has had scant international
success since, there are between 15 and 20.

- a lot of stuff deleted-----

If my memory serves me right India has four artificial pitches at the moment.
For most of the eighties, India had a single artificial pitch. On the other 
hand Pakistan seemed to have made the wise early investment on pitches - from
the report they don't seem to have grown in number in recent years. I have a 
lot of admiration for Pakistan's hockey programme - their persistance with
Islahuddin as coach - and seeming non-interference (and, maybe even co-operation
) from administartors). The Indian hockey team seems to enjoy spending days at 
alien airports in transit thanks to it's officialdom - I wonder if the Pakistan
team has the same problem.
  The lack of artificial turfs is not a problem, IMHO. The real problem is the
constant changing of rules to curb the free-flowing Asian style of hockey and
make the penalty corner more lethal.He who adjusts to these rules the fastest
wins. But real talent will always shine - hence Pakistan's successes in the
eighties (an Olympic gold, a World Cup title and a second place)

Sudhama
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From: mece1uh@Jane.UH.EDU (Shashi Menon)
Subject: India bt. Argentina 1-0
Reply-To: mece1uh@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:17:22 GMT

India bt. Argentina 1-0 
Pargat scored the goal off the first penalty corner in the 5th minute which
was deflected into the goal by the Argentinian goalkeeper.

Shashi
From: polina@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (SIVARAMAKRISHNA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Re: No Updates????
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:04:55 GMT
Organization: College Of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University. Athens

In article <1992Jul26.180932.1959@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> adusumel@redskins.ent.ohiou.edu (Nagendra R Adusumelli) writes:
>The subject says it all.
>
>I wonder what happened to India , Germany match.
>
>Hope somebody posts the result soon.
>
>bye
>nagendra

hello nagulu,

please inform me about the match if you get any info. about the match.

bye
sivaram
From: sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Re: New penalty corner rule
Date: 28 Jul 1992 13:46:38 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Jul28.135106.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> tchristen01@cc.curtin.edu.au wr
ites:
>
>  Briefly this requires that the ball must be
>trapped outside the circle before a goal-shot can be taken.  From
>last nights experience this rule limits the attacking teams capacity
>to score penalty corner goals.  However as teams become more polished
>with their skills and strategies defenders will need to adapt their
>current style of defending penalty corners.
>
>I am quite concerned that this rule will make penalty corners even
>more dangerous than they currently are.  Since the obvious attacking
>strategy is to trap the ball just outside the circle, and bunt or
>push it inside the circle for some powerful brute to 'fly-hit' at goal.
>My concern is that this strategy will lead to more lifted and less
>controlled shots at goal.  I am a little surprised that FIH Rules
>Committee have decided on this rule.  Yet I understand that it will
>be implemented for the 1993 season.
>

I have not yet played with this rule in practice.
However, just thinking about it in my head.......seems like a better rule
than the previous one.

The new rule will give more time for defenders to respond, because the ball
has to travel a greater distance. Hence the defenders will be, at least,
halfway out of the goal when the ball reaches the striker. This in turn
will limit the wild hits that the striker can make. On the other hand,
because the defenders will be well out of the goal, the striker now has
the chance to "aim" and find an empty space. With the old rule, more often
than not, the defenders are still very close to the goal when the ball
reaches the striker. There is very little empty space to "aim" at.
Quite often I found myself making wild hits, and sometimes purposely
lifting the ball because the only open space I could find was 3ft up in
the air.

NadeemS

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  On this subject, I recollect seeing a few of Bovelander's penalty corners.
What surprised me was how close to the goal the Dutch were able to trap the ball.
Their success, to me, seemed to be more due to precise co-ordination (being able
to trap and shoot at very short distances without giving the defenders a chance
is quite a feat) than Bovelander's individual prowess.
  Is it possible that the new FIH rule is prompted by the extraordinary 
influence of penalty corner conversions on results? Especially Bovelander !
  On the issue of "indirect conversions" I don't think the new rule will make
much of a difference. All the cases cited in the above postings would occur even
with the present rule. Anpther question I have is - was this trap outside the 
D rule in force at some time ? Or will it be totally new?

Sudhama
Xref: sparky rec.sport.hockey.field:355 rec.sport.olympics:1044
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field,rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Hockey: Monday
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:17:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.0095E31E.46CF4300
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Followup-To: rec.sport.hockey.field
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services

Today's fixtures in Women's Hockey

BRitain v Holland
Australia v Canada
Germany v Spain
S.Korea v New Zealand

No men's matches scheduled.

bye,

************************************************************
RAM            		       BULLS -93	

Politicians' statements tend to have a low specific gravity.
They carry less weight  than their volume would suggest.
		- Jonathan Miller
************************************************************
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From: bholu@nyx.cs.du.edu (  Bholu)
Subject: Olympics D1
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 12:07:16 GMT

India lost to Germay 3-0. All the three goals were scored off
PCs. The first one was taken indirectly. The second goal came
when Fischer converted it with a direct hit. The third goal was
scored when a German player picked up the ball and placed it in 
the right corner after the ball had deflected off an Indian 
defender's stick when he had stopped the direct PC hit. Only a 
few minutes of glimpses were shown on the TV, so I cannot say 
much about the game. The commentator did mention that it was the 
Indian defence that proved to be the weak link.

Pakistan bt Malaysia 4-1. Asif Bajwa opened the scoring for Pakistan but
Malyasia equalized by converting a PC. Bajwa scored once more to put
Pakistan ahead and the lead was increased when Khalid Bashir converted a
PC to give Pakistan a 3-1 lead before half-time. [No info about who got
the 4th goal].

Australia bt Argentina 7-0 (Wansbrough 3, Stephen Davies 2, Lewis 1, Stacy
1). GB bt Egypt 2-0 (Hill 2; both from PCs, one in each half).  Spain bt
NZ 3-0 (Jufresa, Xavier Escude, Ignacio Escude).