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From: chill@walt.UUCP (Curtis Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Laettner vs Barkley
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:10:24 GMT


Pardon, but I just CAN'T resist.


From: ma@bluedevil.Eng.Sun.COM (Shing C. Ma)

>absolutely unnecessary.  Daly should bench Barkley and give more PT
>to Laettner.  It ain't gonna happen cause "the fans came to see him
>(and others) play".  The NBA is heading in the direction of Pro-Wrestling
>with the rule inconsistencies.

So, we should substitute Christian "Angel" Laettner for Barkley?  Heh.
That's rich.  Mr. Stomp-on-Prone-Player.  Mr. Elbow-to-the-Head.  The
guy who's showing that he can't move his feet on defense.  Please.

>Also, the the NBA Champs was not, is not and will not be the World
>Camps.  The Deam Team will be because it played with the best the
>other countires of the world have to offer.  NBA Champs == World
>Champs --- what a joke.


If you grabbed the champions of each of the major leagues of the world
(Italian, Spanish, Greek, German, Israeli, CBA, whoever) and put them
in a tournament, the NBA champ would win roughly 98% of the time.  And
I'd bet that the CBA would likely come in second, but that's at least
debateable.




This post should be nominated in the "Best Diatribe by a Dookie" category,
though.




Curtis
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From: rohan@cs.monash.edu.au (Rohan Baxter)
Subject: Reffing the DT
Organization: Computer Science, Monash University, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:52:33 GMT

Australian referee Bill Mildenhall lost out both ways when he
decided to merely caution Sir Charles for hanging off the hoop after
a fast break dunk, instead of the mandatory technical foul.

The crowd jeered him at the time for being harsh and the Refs board 
reprimanded him after the game for being lenient...glad I'm not a referee!

Rohan.
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From: rasdald@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Sixers Camp News?  (Dawkins)
Date: 22 Jul 92 08:55:17 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

>  Dawkins will start because he has the quickness and the penetrating
>  ability -- more than Hornacek.  Plus, it would seem that Hornacek
>  would take to the bench easier than Dawkins -- being that Dawkins
>  has been in the starting lineup all his life (since high school),
>  while hornacek started out as a walk-on at Iowa State.  Going to the
>  bench would hurt Johnny's ego and confidence.
		     ^^^^^^^^^^^
  As coach you shouldn't worry about the ego of your players.  A coach must 
  do what is best for the team and Hornacek is the man.  He is near all-star
  and must be the starter.  Dawkins will sit, because a definite change is 
  needed for the Sixers (granted Barkley gone is more than enough for most 
  teams).  If coaches worried about the ego of each player then only headcases 
  would be in the all-star team.  Hornacek was one of the main reaons for the
  trade.  Go Horney!!



        Dow Rasdall 


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From: graeme@research.canon.oz.au (Graeme Wong See)
Subject: Re: NIGHTMARE TEAM!
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 07:38:50 GMT


If the US happened to send one of these nightmare teams, do you think they
would still win gold at the Olympics??
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From: skprimus@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Siu Kai Ho)
Subject: Re: Ewing and Robinson in Olympics
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:24:31 GMT

YUKQC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:

>But a little thinking reveals that Ewing and Robinson's poor performance
>in offense is only a necessary consequence of the team's heavy bias toward
>fast breaks.

   Agreed totally, as I've said whoever scores is the guy who is 1st,
2nd, or 3rd on fastbreaks.  Almost any NBA player can do this.. One
can't judge a players' game by number of points or even FG%!  That's
why a fast break team like Portland can't get the correct number of
shots for each player, you pass to any open player.  Usually the DT
gets the basket before everyone is over half-court ;^P

>Another noteworthy thing is the stupid international rule that forbids
>alley-oops--a trademark of Ewing and Robinson. For God's sake, David
>should be a star in Barcelona if alley-oops were allowed, showing off
>that spectacular reverse dunk off an alley-oop.

   I don't think this is right.  Nothing forbids alley-oops..

                                                       SKH

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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Enough
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:21:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.151918.7119@ll.mit.edu> nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.204258.49724@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>Alright Ed, I think we have now reached our 1 month limit...  It is time this
>>thread stopped, once again.  I am bored with having to re-read old posts
>>and stuff.  Oh, don't worry, I am sure you will respond with comments about
>>me "wimping" out and all, and everything else, but I've gotten used to your
>>stupidity over the monthes.   ...[...]...
>   my goodness, Ed - isnt Dave being generous?  :-)

My Goodness, Nate, are you really that naive?

Just one day after his "stop" post, he posted 4 articles on the subject.
Do you really believe his "I am going to stop" lies? It's not the first
time he used this trick, and it won't be the last time. 

>   ok, so what the celtic fans should do is find non-Celtic fans who can
>   list incidents of this happening everywhere.  since i am a celtic fan
>   it cant be me.  cant be dave.  it should be someone with an ability to
>   go back over many years and extract minute datums.  someone who is good
>   at digging up obscurities.
Yes, a month and still waiting....

>   so if ed doesnt care about it, why dont we have Ed put up some examples
>   of Laker and Bull incidents.  
I can't. Although I admit that the Lakers get preferential treatment in general, 
I can't name an incident that they get a bogus call that gave them a victory 
(tie) after the buzzer. 

>he's the perfect man for the job.  i bet
>   he can list more than 7 without even breaking into a sweat.  
No, I am not. I can't make up bogus calls. 

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From: med50005@nusunix3.nus.sg (TAN CHOON KIAT)
Subject: Stockton (again)
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:41:06 GMT

Um, actually, when I posted that blank article on Stockton, what I
REALLY meant to ask was when he would be back from his fracture.  But 
being new to unix and vi, I mucked up things somewhat and posted a
blank article instead, leading to various comments.

So sorry folks.  Will attempt to do a better job next time...

Nigel
From: cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com (Chris Martel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: USA/Croatia Score
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:13:41 GMT
	<1992Jul28.013532.22633@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
Reply-To: cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corp, Hopkinton MA 01748

In article <1992Jul28.013532.22633@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada) writes:


>Yeah, I thought this was a fun game to watch. The DT had to actually work
>for some of their pts. That big guy in the middle what's his name? Had
>some outstanding blocks, and of course Petrovic plays the same way he did
>in the NBA. Their were some showtime dunks by Pippen and Drexler. Jordan
>had a nice break away dunk, but I especially liked the Pippen layup where
>he did an Isiah Thomas, showed the ball and layed up and in. Kukoc? is that
>how you spell his name? Well, Pippen took him to school. Next up.. Germany.

That big guy in the middle was none other than Stoyko Rankavic(sp). He was
the 12th man on the Celtics for the last two seasons. That is the best I
have ever seen him play. He actually looked good. At one point Bird fouled
Stoyko when he was driving to the hoop. The announcers were joking about it.
I think Stoyko finished with ~10 rebounds and ~5 blocks.

>Alex


Chris Martel
Clearpoint Research
cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com
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From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: Spurs sign Stewart
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:02:53 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Keywords: Spurs, Bullets

The Spurs have signed Washington Bullets' restricted
free agent forward Larry Stewart to an offer sheet.
I don't know much about Larry, other than that he
was a real surprise as a rookie. Can a Bullets fan
post his numbers? Is he a power forward or a small 
forward?

This may mark the first-ever signing of another team's
restricted free agent by the Spurs. It doesn't address
their primary need (point guard), but they have so little 
depth that it's bound to be of some help (assuming the
Bullets don't match the offer). Also, it's encouraging
to see them go for a young player rather than the fading
veterans so preferred by Larry Brown. If they keep
Stewart, the roster is

C Robinson 
  Green *
  Copa
  
F Elliott
  Carr
  Stewart

G Anderson 
  Ellis
  Daniels 
  V. Johnson *
  Sutton * 

* These players are on the cusp. In the absence of anyone
else to back up Robinson, they'll probably keep Green. Also, note
the open roster spot even with all three staying on.

Paul

that there are two roster spots open.
From: sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Notes and Stats from Tuesday's Rocky Mtn Review
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:33:18 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: sheyn@csa


I saw the name of Ricky Calloway on one of the rosters. Is he the one
who was briefly with Celtics left year ( so briefly, I can't even remember how he looked).
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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: POGO-stick RETIRES (yes,aint kidding)
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 14:06:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.195754.26482@oracle.us.oracle.com> rpierce@oracle.com (Russell Pierce) writes (talking about Dennis Rodman):
>	ALso the point of his 3 pt. shooting makes no sense to me.
>	How many did he shoot last year-I don't have stats but I would
>	guess he didn't shoot more that 30, and probably made 10-12 of
>	them.  

I was surprised to find that Rodman made 32 of 101 three-point attempts
last season, which put him second on the Pistons in both categories.  Joe
Dumars was 49/120, Bill Laimbeer 32/85, and Isiah Thomas 25/86.
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From: hh15@ellis.uchicago.edu (he  huang)
Subject: Re: Final Score: 102-70 (Re: USA/Croatia time ? )
Reply-To: hh15@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:29:27 GMT

The finals score is 103-70.  Sorry for the typo.

Harry

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From: orourke@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Michael O'Rourke)
Subject: Re: Another Dream Team Possibility
Keywords: Danny Manning
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:12:11 GMT

In <aco.711927454@sfu.ca> aco@fraser.sfu.ca (Alvin Milton Co) writes:

>whjelmar@calvin.usc.edu (White Guy with an earring) writes:

>>Since everyone else is else is giving their picks for a second Dream Team,
>>I figured I'd send out mine.  So here goes....

>>C  - 	Brad Daugherty
>My choice as well for starting center   
>
>>PF -	Charles Smith
> 
>I would put in Pervis Ellison instead, pretty solid at the center position. 
>Wait till, he plays at his normal "power forward" position.
>
>>SF -	Dominique Wilkins
>
>The best small forward left of the NBA team, assuming without the injury!

...

>>Bench - Rony Seikaly (C), Shaq O'Neill (C/PF), Dennis Rodman (SF), 
>>	Reggie Lewis (SF/SG), Kevin Johnson (PG), Mitch Richmond (SG),
>>	Hersey Hawkins (SG)
>
>Bench - Robert Parish....He may be old, but you need a veteran in the team for
>                 experience.  Could still hold him own!   CENTER 
>        Shaq O'Neil......Can't leave him.  Just in case they bang up too much
> 		on Robert Parish. I'll bring in Shaq to squash them!
>		Besides,  "the Chief" will teach him a thing or too!  CENTER
>        Larry Johnson....Junior version of Charles Barkley!  Just
>		imagine him and Shaq in the floor together!
>		SMALL/POWER FORWARD 
>	Lionnel Simmons..Sensation scorer at La Salle!  All around player at
>                 Sacramento!  Shows that he could defend and score! 
>	         SMALL FORWARD/SHOOTING GUARD
>	Jimmy Jackson....Could play three position.  Oustanding career at
>		 Ohio State!  Bob Knight says it all, when he told Jimmy that 
>		 it was a pleasure to see him play over the years at the 
>		 BIG 10 conference!   POINT/SHOOTING GUARD/SMALL FORWARD 

...

>>					-Walter-



I have read through many of these "Dream Team II" posts and have
failed to see the name of a player who should be mentioned: Danny
Manning.  My collegiate loyalties aside, Manning has certainly
demonstrated that he is superior to a number of other players who have
been mentioned (e.g., Charles Smith, Larry Johnson, Lionel Simmons,
etc.)  His career as a Clipper has not been stellar, but he did blow
out a knee during his rookie year.  He returned to form only this past
season; indeed, he was the key player in the Clippers' drive for the
playoffs.  His game is as versatile as they come, and if he can
improve his rebounding he could become one of the league's best
players.  If Brown stays as coach, Manning will soon be an all-star
and, barring injury, he should receive serious consideration for the
Olympic team in four years.

Thoughts?

Rock Chalk
orourke@csli.stanford.edu
From: retrac@vesuvius.cs.rice.edu (John Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bullchit! Re: POGO-stick RETIRES (yes,aint kidding)
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:06:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: rice.1992Jul23.220600.9473
Distribution: na
Organization: Rice University, Houston

In article <1682DE2D5.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.121221.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>
>tswilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Sly Fox) writes:
> 
>>Dennis Rodman, the Detriot Pistons' pogo stick will retire soon to concerate
>>on his business in Houston. He said he is tired of NBA and have no motivate
>>to play anymore.
> 
>Yeah, and Jordan is out with a broken jaw, and the Dream Team lost a game.
> 
>I notice you didn't give a source either, probably becuz "thin air"
>doesn't sound too convincing.
> 
>Why bother when Detroiters like myself can expose you in an instant?
> 
>If there's any further doubt in anyone's mind, I'm listening to local
>sports as I write this. There's no mention of this stupid rumor.


You'd better find a better source for your "local sports", Eric, because the
so-called rumor has been reported in a number of stories that went out over
the AP wire today.  I've read two or three variants of a story that quotes
Rodman as saying that he's lost interest in basketball, and is seriously
considering retiring and concentrating on his excavation business here in
Houston.  I generally consider the AP news service to be a pretty reliable
source.

-- 
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Thesis hacking Owl, soon to be Ute.  Move over Salt Lake, here he comes!
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From: medanic@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ivan Medanic)
Subject: Re: DT vs. Kukoc
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:42:02 GMT

davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:

>In article <1992Jul30.171710.15657@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul30.135104.57594@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>>
>>I don't have *any* idea how much Kukoc is worth, nor do I envy Krause for
>>having to pick the $$$ amount to sign Kukoc.  Kukoc hasn't really looked
>>that stellar in the Olympics, but he seems to have pretty good ball handling
>>and excellent passing skills (and NOT just for a 6'10" player).  No one is
>>saying he will be the next MJ (pick one) or will dominate in the NBA, just
>>that he's the best outside the NBA, which means that he is great on some 
>>level but possibly not on the NBA level.  

>Well, I say nothing more than an European Danny Ferry.  Good size, good ball
>handling/passing/vision, but can he score in the NBA???  Can he defend against
>NBA talent??  

I have watched Kukoc many times, and let me tell you he can score. A good
example of another player who had a hard time coming into the league is his
teamate Petrovic. While he was with the Trailblazers he hardly ever played
or got the chance to show his scoring potential, but now with the Nets he
has been playing great. Kukoc has proved that he can play by being so dominant
in the Italian league (I believe that he had at one time 3 quadrouple dubles
in a row). The most important aspect of Kukoc's game is his passing though. he
strives on assists and just that fact that he is a 6'10'' point gaurd makes him
much better than Ferry ever will. 

>>
>>As for the $3mil offer, I don't think that Krause is saying he is *worth* 
>>3 million, just that it will take $3mil to get him off the Italian team and 
>>into the NBA.  If the Bulls offered you $500,000 and Italy offered $3mil, 
>>where would you go?

>No, Krause is saying he is *worth* 3 million, or however much he actually
>offered.  Vinnie Del Negro is supposedly one of the best players in the 
>Italian league.  He was a marginal NBA player.  He is making 1+million.
>Should an NBA team try to beat that offer to get Vinnie?? Only if they think
>he is worth it.  It just didn't seem that Kukoc was worth all that much.
>He has potential, but that word seldom comes to fruition

>>
>>>As for Pippen looking horrible???  What game were you watching???  He dominated
>>>Kukoc, while scoring very well himself, and getting about 10 assists.  
>>>Pippen looked worth his pay, Kukoc didn't. 
>>
>>Agreed.  I think Pippen has earned every penny and am glad that the Bulls
>>finally treated him appropriately.  It was really pissing me off when Krause
>>was ignoring Pippen in order to court Kukoc.

Agreed again Pippen is definetely worth his pay, and I think that if Kukoc
comes to the NBA everyone will see that he is worth his pay as well.


Ivan


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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Are Da Bulls Dying?
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:28:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.134727.28041@das.harvard.edu> vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.152833.27361@brtph560.bnr.ca>, markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>>
>> I'm not so convinced that Rolondo is the solution to all of their problems,
>> but I do agree the Knicks have a better chance of beating the Bulls.  On 
>> a related note, I look for the Bulls to be adding a key player or two (rumors
>> or Kukoc, Gerald Wilkins and Derek Harper, have been around...), and if so,
>> the Knicks chance go back to where they were last year (in comparison to the
>> Bulls).
>
>Last I heard, they are giving Kukoc some obnoxiously high offers, to the point 
>that they have annoyed Michael Jordan, who is upset because he believes, and 
>rightfully so, that he deserves more, if they are going to offer Kukoc so 
>much.

I am not so sure this is accurate any longer.  I believe that the grossly
high offer-bitching occured before the re-signing of Pippen.  IMHO, Jordan's
bitching was more related towards Pippen getting the money that he deserved,
more so than himself.  I don't think Jordan cares *too much* about how
much more he makes from the Bulls.  If he wanted what he was worth, he would
be the only player on the roster.  Pippen, on the other hand, was grossly 
underpaid at something like $700K (can you imagine being underpaid with that
salary) and was being put on the back burner while the Bulls front office
looked into Kukoc.

Another note:  In USA Today, Kukoc was interviewed and mentioned that he will
likely be playing another year for the Italian club, because he feels he
needs more work (physically) before he's ready for the NBA.  While watching 
the USA v. Croatia match, he didn't look stellar, but he looks like a VERY 
good passer and can handle the ball extremely well for someone who is 6'10" 
(plus his shots will more open shots when he plays for the Bulls ;^)  I'd 
like to see him come this year, but it just doesn't sound like it.

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Sixers Camp News?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:20:24 GMT


	I think that the Sixers will go with a 3-guard offense next season,
	a-la the Pistons did the last couple of seasons.  They'll have the
	Dawkins/Hawkins starting backcourt -- I think Hornacek could be
	plenty dangerous coming off the bench as a gunner and backup for
	Dawkins.  Either way, all 3 will get 30+ minutes playing time.
	Dawkins will start because he has the quickness and the penetrating
	ability -- more than Hornacek.  Plus, it would seem that Hornacek
	would take to the bench easier than Dawkins -- being that Dawkins
	has been in the starting lineup all his life (since high school),
	while hornacek started out as a walk-on at Iowa State.  Going to the
	bench would hurt Johnny's ego and confidence.

	Jazzy J

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