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> From: silatman@hls.com
> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1992 18:07:08 GMT
> Subject: Re: RAG -- Questions for Rafay Khan
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan


>     Rafay Khan, your repeated mentioning of "sex" in
> Pakistani society, is confusing to many on the net, but
> they have respect for you so they do not say anything directly
> to you.

So, what is your point -- are you implying that you do not have any
respect for Rafay since you are saying things to him directly?


>     The questions arising from your presentation of
> yourself are these:

> 1. Sex is not prohibited in Islam. You should arrange to
>    get married. A handsome person like you, with your
>    happy personality will have no problem.

Why are you so much worried?  Are you feeling threaten?

> 2. Approaching sex like a thief and you will demean yourself.
>    But why go thru that experience? Better to keep your
>    self-respect. Respect yourself and others will respect you.

Again what are you trying to say? What are your suggestions?  Be more
specific.  What is the solution besides getting him married to a female?

>    
>    Don't get us wrong, we are impressed by you, and
> respect you anyway. But if I have said anything incorrect,
> please point it out.

Who are us?  Would be nice to see other names?

>                       was salam,  Silatman
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: Head and Shoulder
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 06:01:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.004714.21591@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> alam@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ALAM AFSHAN) writes:
>khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan) writes:
>
>>	At this she said "So far it is ok, but I had a question.
>>			  How do I give shoulder?".
>he shrugged "just give him the cold shoulder"
>Afshan. o brave new world order

a cold shoulder , never heard of that one. Could you enlighten us pour souls

sahibzada rafay khan [ the censored man after .................]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Rag ------ a Midweek special
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 22:39:33 GMT

*************************************************************************

	THE RAG .............................

**************************************************************************
				editor-in-chief sahibzada rafay khan
				editor tanvir syed
				reporter Jehangir Hashmi
					 Syed Raza
					 Kafir
		


                         ISLAM AND PEOPLES' IMAN SAVED 
			      (Syed Raza)					
ISLAMABAD Nov 1, Pakistan govt has foiled yet another attempt to bring
pornographic material in Pakistan by banning Madonna's book SEX.
Mullahs after two days of gruelling metting critically analysed each and
every page of the book decided that this book is unislamic and will have negetive
effects esp on youngsters who are not exposed to such dirty porno material in
pure pakistani society.  There are reports that mullahs are suffering from
insomnia eversince the metting ended, doctors described their conditions as critical.
							
				Inter religious poetry

Arz kiya hai...

  "Mazhab ki deewar na thodee,
              pyaar bharaa dil thod diyaa,
   Ik musalmaan ki beti ne
              is kaafir ka daaman chod diya"

     -- Ek dukhi kafir



 		A Soul Shop ... a new out of body expeirence
			( Kafir)
  
Silatman is shortly opening a soul-wash shop on El Camino (between
Mathilda and Sunnyvale-Saratoga). He is currently giving out
buy-one-get-one-free coupons. That is, get one soul washed
at regular price, and get another soul washed for free (some
restrictions apply: some Kafir souls cannot be cleaned; 
also, one Ahmadi soul counts as two souls).

Further, he is offering the 30-day money back guarantee:
if you are not satisfied with the job, return the 
soul(!!??) for full refund withing 30 days.


	A Brief Statement on Morality
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                
	My Father once told me 
	that respect for the
	truth comes close to
	being the basis for all
	Morality.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: clean up in sind
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:24:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.200416.217@sol.UVic.CA>, ahussain@engr.UVic.CA writes...
> 
>Hi People,
>I was wondering if anyone knew when the clean up 
>operation in karachi is finshing. It started around
>May and were supposed to end in six months, does anybody
>know the exact date.
>thanx
> 
>amyn
> 
>
	I just read "JANG" 07-15 Oct. It seems operation is going on.
	What exactly it is? seems to be some kind of hunting and killing of
	 "DOCCOOS". Also there is some talk about a list of suspicious
	people prepared by Military which probabily includes some important 
	names like "Pir Pighra". No further details. There is lot of fuss over
	the operation among politicians. Every party seems to think
	/claim that operation is against them.

	According to JANG 18 Oct, 2/3 of the army involved will return to 
	the barracks soon and after 23 Nov Govt will not extend the
	permission of this operation (under art 147).
	However 1/3 of army and parts of Mahran Force and Frontier
	Constablry will remain posted at the "Sensitive Places".

	That is all what I can get from JUNG (Rawalpindi) newspapers.

Mirza Ilyas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: MULLAHS BURN QURAN AND DESCERATE MOSQUE IN DACCA
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 00:08:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.182556.6524@bernina.ethz.ch>, nadeem@igpho (Nadeem Malik) writes:
|> samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar) writes:
|> : gt7242a@prism.gatech.EDU (KHAN,RAHEEL) writes:
|> : 
|> : >     Yes, you have a right to believe in what you want.  And the same Ayah 
|> : >     also says that "the right direction is henceforth distinct from the
|> : >     wrong direction"!  So believe in what you will but give us a right to 
|> : >     safeguard our religion from youf evil.  
|> : 
|> : If you think that Ahmadis are preaching falsehoods, go ahead and preach
|> : corrections to those falsehoods. But you don't have any right to commit
|> : violence on them.
|> : 
|> : (And all this condoning of violence after a bunch of sane postings on
|> :  S.C.I. Which is the real Raheel Khan?)
|> : 
|> : Sumitro
|> 
|> You have hit the issue on the head.
|> 
|> People such as Raheel Khan often are able to enact a scholarly and even
|> partly rational people in normal circumstances when they are not 
|> challenged intellectually or at the level of justifying their faith on
|> the basis of therr Quran. The halmark of mullahism is their inability
|> to tollerate different opinions 

toleration is a scarce quantity in the world.  Every one has there own set
beliefs for which he strongly belives in ...... he has faith in.  No matter
how logical ( you think you are) he will refuse to understand or comprehend.
Maybe it is best to have no strong beliefs.
Mullahism or conservatism or socialism everyone has there own beliefs.

sahibzada
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Bakray kee maa in trouble
Date: 7 Nov 1992 05:59:37 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu

It is a tough one for me , Dogar saheb!

>khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan) writes:

>>	how long Bakray kee maa khair manaa-ae gee?

>que?

This was a modification of the famous saying

	bakray kee maa kub tak khair manaa-ae gee?

which may be explained as that bakraa( goat) has been slaughtered,
his mother (i.e. bakray kee maa) is gonna get it too....

With respect to the Airport in Karachi, I meant that how long
will it stay clean.

I hope it explains. Anyone else who can do a better job explaining
this one please do so.

Mansoor Khan
From Lahore dee Bakraamandee



Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: Good Bye Mr. Bush
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:07:00 GMT

In article <1dd590INN5p5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan) writes...
>In response to Nadeem Jamali's letter;
> 
> 
>>.... (stuff deleted)
>......
> 
	There is a fundamental difference between the governaments
	of Mr., Miss Bhotto, Gen Ayub, Gen Jia/Zia and Nawaz Shareef
	and it is the amount of freedom and Protection available to
	an average citizen and The Quality of the fundamental rights
	instituted into the constitution. For example some of the 
	rights for women during Gen Ayub can only be dreamed now. After
	islamization of last few years the Gutter has been extended
	from middle east upto Pakistan.

Mirza Ilyas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: azia@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Ahsan  Zia)
Subject: Looking for Amir Asif
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 12:25:16 EST

Hello!

I am looking for my friend Amir Asif, he is from Pakistan, and I think he is 
in electrical dept. Pennsylvania University. He joined the university in 
spring semester 92. Also he is on scholarship from Pakistan Govt. 
I am not sure whether he reads this newsgroup or not, so if someone 
else in the university or else where knows him, kindly tell him about this 
message, or if he reads this message himself, contact me at the following 
e-mail address:

azia@mailbox.syr.edu.

Ahsan Zia,
Information Resource Management,
School of Information Studies,
Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY.
 
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From: zafir@unssun.nevada.edu (Zia Zafir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Interreligious Marriage
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:15:13 GMT
Reply-To: zafir@unssun.nevada.edu (Zia Zafir)
Followup-To: soc.culture.pakistan
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: R: Conversion in/out of ISLAM
Summary: 
Expires: 
Reply-To: zafir@unssun.UUCP (Zia Zafir)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: University of Nevada-Reno
Keywords: 

In article <1992Nov9.171610.9416@bernina.ethz.ch> nadeem@igpho (Nadeem Malik) writes:
>The strict Islamic position is:
>
>Muslims may marry:
>(1) Muslims of any sect;
>(2) People of the Book (Ahle-Kitab) i.e. Jews and Christians;
>
A Muslim girl CAN NOT marry anyone other than a Muslim.  To marry
in the people of the book is only allowed to Boys (men) in Islam.
>
>that if someone marries a Hindu then the marriage is not recognised,
 
Yes in Islam the marriage is not recognised.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mks9e@amsun30.apma.Virginia.EDU (Mustafa Kemal Husein Saiyid)
Subject: Urdu
Reply-To: mks9e@amsun30.apma.Virginia.EDU (Mustafa Kemal Husein Saiyid)
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: world 
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:32:51 GMT

Could someone kindly tell me something about the earliest text in
the Urdu language? I'd appreciate any information on the date, origin,
author etc. if it is available. Thanks in advance.
Mustafa Saiyid
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: izaz@cbnews.cb.att.com (sheikh.izazul.haque)
Subject: Re: Goodbye (HAPPY?)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:42:31 GMT
Summary: all this hate

In article <1992Nov8.224840.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>, hareb_s@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
> In article <1992Nov4.095239.14480@ra.msstate.edu>, far1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Sayed Faraz A. Razavi) writes:
> > Assalamalaikum!!!
> > Isn't it great that the modern day Yazeed is gone :)...I am so happy to see
> > this happen...next inshallah will be the fall of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait...
> > The Kaffir of these countries will find the follies of their ways with the
> > mistakes they made to allow mushrikoon on our land...
> > Salam khodahafiz,
> > Faraz
> > 
> > --
> > ---------------------------------
> > Sayed Faraz Ahmad Razavi(Rizvi)
> > Mississippi State University
> > far1@ra.msstate.edu 
> 
> 
> You fake Sayyed!
> 
> Stop calling muslims as kafirs, and equating kafirs to muslims,
> go re-learn your Arabic, and behave yourself.
> Furthermore, who do you want Arabia and Kuwait to fall to ? ..
> to the bunch of mulhid , kurmuti, rafidi, shabah haters, fitna mongers
> among the muslims of the world, the killers of Hussain, Zaid, and scores
> of their families, the helpers of Moghuls, the destroyers of Darul 
> Khilafah, the opposition to every muslim state that came to this world
> since the time of al-Khulafa Al-Rashideen. Who do you want our land
> (not your land) to fall to. To Iran? or what are you talking about?


Come on folks! Surely the political point can be made without all this
religious hatred spewing over onto SCP. This is offensive to most of us.
If you want to fight a religious war, please don't subject the rest of us to 
it?

                              Izaz Haque
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: rana@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana)
Subject: Re: MULLAHS BURN QURAN AND DESCERATE MOSQUE IN DACCA
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:22:05 GMT

gt7242a@prism.gatech.EDU (KHAN,RAHEEL) writes:



>    In his article Nadeem Malik writes:

>>	MULLAH LED DESCERATE AHMADI MUSLIM MISSION HOUSE
>>		AND BURN MANY QURANS IN BANGLADESH
>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>    I wonder why!

>>On 29th October 1992, a mob led by Pakistani and Saudi Arabian Mullahs stormed
>>the Ahmadiyya Muslim Mission House in Dacca, Bangladesh. The following is a letter
>>to the Foreign Minister of Bangladesh (copy send to the Prime Minister) from
>>the Amir of the Swiss Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamat protesting against this incident:

>		--------------------------------------------

[...deleted...]

>     This is a matter of utmost urgency!  I have had the opptunity to flip-
>     through the "Qur'an" that Ahmadis are trying to spread thoughout the 
>     world.  They know that trying to raise doubts about the authenticacy 
>     of the Arabic is futile so they are doing the next best thing:  they 
>     "interpret" the Qur'an to suit their needs.  For example they explain
>     the phrase "Khatam-un-Nabiyyeen" (Seal of the Prophets) mentioned in the
>     Qur'an in such a way that their claim that Mirza Gulam Ahmed was a
>     prophet after Muhammad(SAAWS) doesnot seem absurd.  The ordinary reader,
>     who is not aware of the Ahmadiyya claims is likely to become very 
>     confused about these statements!  This is why I have seen that the target
>     of their efforts are primarly new Muslims and Muslims who don not read 
>     Arabic.  Wa'Allah, Muslims face a grave danger  because of this new "Qur'an"
>     that the Ahmadis preach.
>     


Mr. Raheel Khan could you please quote the exact translation of the
phrase "Khatam-un-Nabiyyeen" from the Ahmadiyya translation of Quran.
Which you claim to have flip-through. 
I would like to see whats wrong in that translation?   


>KHAN,RAHEEL


Sincerely,

-- 
Nabeel A. Rana
rana@rintintin.colorado.edu
LOVE FOR ALL : HATRED FOR NONE.
________________________________________________________________
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: URDU
Date: 6 Nov 1992 18:33:16 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu


	Mirza Ilyas writes, 
>>>> ......
>>>>Hmm! I guess by this definition there is no such thing as Pakistani cluture,
>>>>or Indian or Islamic culture ... not that I do not agree with you .... I'm 
>>>>just wondering which culture do I belong to !  and the rest of 8 million 
>>>>(?) Karachites!  Any thoughts on that?
>>>
>>>	adopt to sindhi language and culture.
>>>
>>>Mirza Ilyas
>> 
>>In other words, through out my own culture and take on someone else's.
>>Why???????????????????
>> 
>>sahibzada rafay khan [ i am a sindhi but with my own definition]

>	In United States when you go out to bar/restaurants/Govt Offices
>        university calsses etc you ask others to learn URDU first
>	before you can talk to them? Which dress you use "Chooridar 
>	Pajama and Achkan"?
>	         Just curious.

>Mirza Ilyas

	Mirza Curious, aap bohat shareer hai'n.
	But, allow me to answer few of your curiousities.
	First if you go to a bar/restaurants/Govt Offices/ University
	classes etc. in Pakistan no one will ask you to speak Urdu. Kyoo'n Urdu
	kee Muttee Paleed Kurtay hoe? Urdu is not the offical language
	of Pakistan. IF you went to anyone of these places you mentioned
	in Panjab, you may be expected to speak Panjabi. If you wnt
	to anyone of these places in baluchistan, you will be
	expected to speak Baluchi.  In Serhad, you may be expected
	Pashtoo. Karachi being a cosmopolitan city, you may have
	to speak a language which every one will understand.
	Karachi being Sindh's Capital, You can definitly try Sindhi.
	Urdu is not Sindh's or Pakistan's Official Language.
	SO no one is forcing no one to speak Urdu.
	And if you go to a restaurant in Holiday Inn, in Karachi
	and decided to order Murghe-Musallam in Panjabi or Sindhi
	Please be sure you will not be turned down. They want your 
	money, and do not care two paisas  if you placed the order in
	Urdu or Gujrati or Memoni or Goanese or Malabari or Sindhi
	or Panjabi or Pashtoo or Makraani or Tamil.


	As far as second question about Chooridars and Shervaanis,
	be sure that if you wore this in U.S.A., you will not
	be (officially) discriminated, killed, or Aghvaad :-)
	But this may happen to you in Karachi. 
	So, it is funny you ask the second question. Yes, you can
	wear all these "COSTUMES" in U.S.A but  not in PAKISTAN.
	PAKISTAN is a country where Jahil Police is manipulated 
	by crooks like Navaz and Benazir. Remember Pucca Qillaa.
	Pakistan is a country where Discrimination is law  of the
	land under the disguise of Quota System.
	So, Sahabzadah can try wearing Chooridars and Shervani in USA
	without any fear, but he will be in big trouble if he does this
	in Pakistan.

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland.
	
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From: asiddiqu@diana.cair.du.edu (ALTAF SIDDIQUI)
Subject: Computer Journal
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
 
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 18:53:42 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: fxm4993@hertz.njit.edu (Farhan Muhammad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: My idea
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:09:55 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: fxm4993@hertz.njit.edu


	I fully agree with the idea. This is the time now to think beyond
	the religion and ethnic bounds. The hungry non-muslim feels the
	same way as hungry muslim. 

	I wish that the money both India and Pakistan are spending in 
	purchasing the lethal weapons of war be used to provide food and
	sheltor for the needy souls. To make a country stable economically
	is more important than to make it a geographical threat to 
	neighbouring countries. I am fully aware that the majority of people
	of both countries want to live with love and peace, and looking for
	better relationship with each other.

	Remember, there is a peace in love....
From: Bamin@novell.com (Baber Amin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: News item from Pakistan
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:31:36 GMT
Organization: Novell NPD

In article <4772@gos.ukc.ac.uk> az1@ukc.ac.uk (A.Zafar) writes:
>From: az1@ukc.ac.uk (A.Zafar)
>Subject: News item from Pakistan
>Date: 6 Nov 92 01:03:08 GMT
>
>	There is an item that has appeared in BBC Ceefax on Pakistan. It
>says that a man named Gul Masih who is a christian has been appealed to the
>high court against the death sentence for blasphemy. He is the first person
>to be sentenced to death since mandatory capital punishment was introduced
>earlier this year. He was convicted of accusing the prophet of obscenity on
>the testimony of a fellow villager. BBC correspondant says there there is
>concern over possible abuses of the law.
>
>
>	Now I have a question. Does it say in Islam that there should be a
>death sentence for blasphemy? Because such a law in Pakistan will be very
>badly abused.
>
>--
>			 - Aman Zafar 			_   /|
>			 - University of Kent 		\'o.O'
>			 - England. 			=(___)=	
>							   U

No there should not be.  Islam is very tolerant and so should we of fellow 
human beings.  Some person's bad mouthing is not going to affect anyone who 
has a logical thinking mechanism and knows how to credit or discredit 
information being broadcast all around us.

Peace 

Baber
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: 2nd Mail Man Joke; this one is from your's truly
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:16:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1deqrqINNr5j
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu



	Obedient Wife
	-------------

	It is a couple of days before Christmas.  This mailman is 
	delivering mail as usual and collecting his eidee. And then he
	gets to this house  where the house wife invites him inside.
	First she gets him a cup of coffee, and then she makes a pass
	on him. Qisaa Mukhtasir, they make love.
	The mailman is  amazed. He asks the woman.
	Well,  a cup of coffee was nice enough of you. On top of
	it, we made love... Why?

	She says, " Well, last night my husband and I were talking
	about the Christmas gifts we are getting for different people.
	He told me to give some money to the maalee, naukaraani,
	and dhobee".  she further continued, "When I asked
	him about you"  , "he said     Fuc* the mailman " !!!

Mansoor Khan
Clevistan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: psa@cc.uow.edu.au (u9067914 pakistan students assoc)
Subject: WHO THE HELL IS LOOKING FOR <ali abbas> ??????
Keywords: Habib
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 01:30:32 GMT


Salam....


SOME ONE CALLED ME TWO OR THREE DAYS AGO BUT DUE TO SOME 
PROBLEM IN THE SOFTWARE I LOST THE MESSAGE AND THE E-MAIL
NUMBER PLEASE CALL ME AGAIN.

FROM ALI ABBAS
From: hasan@bass.bu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Please Help: Trying to Locate
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:00:24 GMT
Organization: Boston University

I am trying to locate two long lost friends.

Sohail Tariq Khan originally from Lahore, did his masters in civil
engineering from University of Texas Austin around '86-87. 

Tariq S. Jaffery originally from Rawalpindi (also Quetta) was doing 
his Phd in physics at University of Oklahoma, Norman in '86-87.
He used to work at Fermi lab at Chicago in summers.

I would appreciate anybody's help in locating these great friends.
I am sure that all of you out there have some old friends you would
like to get in touch with. Any clues of their whereabouts will be 
greatly appreciated.

wasalam
Ali. (posting from a friend's account)
From: zabdi@bucknell.edu (Zakir Abdi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Ismail Shah died in Quetta
Date: 13 Nov 1992 15:05:12 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: vega.cs.bucknell.edu
Keywords: Hydrocarbons...

	Dear netters,

	Ismail Shah, 33, actor; died of heart failure in Quetta, southwest of
	Pakistan on Oct. 29.  Shah started out as a TV actor in 1987, and become
	a matinee idol.  He starred in more than 50 movies, mostly in Urdu and
	Punjabi.  Cause of his death was over drinking of Alcohals since last two
	years.  God blessed his soul.

	Khuda Hafiz

	Zakir Abdi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: kekare@mecad.uta.edu (Sagar A. Kekare)
Subject: gazal
Reply-To: kekare@mecad.uta.edu (Sagar A. Kekare)
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 01:51:46 GMT


I heard a very good gazal sung by Ghulaam Ali. It goes like this:

	KarooN na yaad magar kis tarah bhulaaooN use
	Gazal bahaanaa karooN aur gungunaaooN use

He did not sing the couplet with the poet's name. Can anyone tell me about the  
shai'r who penned this fantastic gazal.

Thanks in advance !

Sagar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic