HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: nothing to do with ST1100's (was Re: ST1100 still reigns supreme)
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:25:27 GMT
Reply-To: joe@mpd.tandem.com
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Austin, TX.

]]why don't you run this comparison with a BMW that is more comparable 
]](i.e. similar popularity levels, sporting class), like the K75. change 
]]that $14k to $9k.
]Sorry, but you'll have to add in the cost of a Luftmeister turbo kit to
]get the power up near FJ levels. Better stick with the K100.

I don't remember power having anything to do with it, you'd have to add
the turbo to the K100 as well if that were the case. the best we can hope
for here is to get as close as we can class wise, which means intent for
use and popularity (to me at least). I've seen a lot more k75's than I
have K100RS's, and I've seen a lot more FJ's than I have Venture Royal's
(is that what yamaha's tourer is called?). it's obvious that the FJ
is the "sporty'est" of the sport/touring line, and the same has been 
said of the K75S. that's how I put the two together...

]Not yet, 84 was the first model year. But I know a guy with 100K miles
]on his FJ1100. He says it's ready for another 100K.

that makes one FJ ready for the test, should we try and count the hundreds
(dare I say thousands?) of BMW's ready for the post 100,000 mile test?
(ok, ok, calm down :-)

]](when was the K75 introduced? isn't it about 10 years now?)
]Wasn't it a couple of years after the FJ, something like 86? Looks like
]the jury is still out on the 10 year durability of either bike.

and probably will be since I doubt I'll remember to bring this up again
in a few years :-)

]]    1) both bikes will be driven 175,000 miles
]Hey, I'm working on it, ok? :-)

race ya'! :-)

]]    3) both bikes will be driven in the same conditions (i.e.
]]       two people driving theses things on the same routes at the
]]       same time).
]Not a chance there. Unless maybe you've got Siamese twins riding the two
]bikes.

agreed. it would be interesting to be able to do that though, you and
a friend get on one each of the bikes and clock 175,000 miles? I can
think of worse ways to spend a few years :-)

-- 
Joe Senner                                          joe@zx11.cactus.org
Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer)
Subject: Re: Electric accessories, Re: Mounting radar detectors on bikes
Organization: Texas Instruments Information Technology Group    Plano TX
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:34:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.135019.2490@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>
>Did you catch "Trolling For Taillights" that was posted to rec.cage
>a couple of months ago, and rec.humor.funny last week? I've heard of the
>sport being played before, but I had no idea that there were such complex
>rules. :-)

Did you notice that motorcycles were a +5 bonus?

I wonder if we can get *5 bonus for playing while on the bike?

Now that would be fun.  Didn't hear the Stebels?  
Well let's see if you can hear this K band!!  ZAP

We would need two transmitters, one front & one back.  That would shut down
quite a few tailgaters I bet.

I want!
-- 
Keith Schauer		Texas Instruments	Plain O, Texas
80 CB900 Custom		
DoD #0901		In an insane society, the sane man must appear insane.
			My company disavows any knowledge of my actions.
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: counter-steering?
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:04:33 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Matt Hur (hur@oclc.org) wrote:
: I overheard some bikers at a local shop talking about "counter-steering".
: Can someone tell me what that is?  I just steer my bike by turning
: the bars.

"Counter-steering" is like bench racing.  A bunch of posers standing around
the parts counter lying about all the great twisties they've steered through.

--

*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck                                          ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu *
* DoD #496  Bikes past and present: CB175, CB550F, Norton 750, CB350F, XV535  *
*******************************************************************************
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd. (10/4/92, 1:30p)
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:12:16 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

>In article <RTARAZ.92Oct6105923@bernoulli.WPI.EDU> rtaraz@bernoulli.WPI.EDU 
>>smaller ones (given a dickhead is behind the wheel)  
>>
>>cars harass motorcyles,
>>motorcycles harass bikes,
>>bikes harass pedestrians.
>>big pedestrians harass small ones!
>
>You forgot: 
>
>trucks harass cars.

should be:

trucks harass cars,
cars harass motorcyles,
motorcycles harass bikes,
bikes harass pedestrians,
pedestrians harass tricycles,
tricycles harass little kids,
little kids harass dogs.

-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland)
Subject: Re: Which side do you mount up from?
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:51:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.023841.10754@athena.cs.uga.edu>, weaver@castor.cs.uga.edu (Mike Weaver) writes:

|> Further thought lead to the conclusion that I mount from the left because
|> that is the side that the side-stand is on.

   Horses must be trained twice for everything, to account
for both hemispheres of their brain. (serious dumb)

   So, train the people, and only have to train each horse
once. The motorcycle came later, and by that time, it had
become an unshakable tradition.

   With the bike leaning to the left, it is much easier to
mount from the left. I do, however mound from the right when 
convienient. 

   Get another side stand for your bike. Train your horse
a second time. Same kind of effort.... 

Curt     DoD#0663
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: counter-steering?
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:44:22 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1992Oct14.142723.9587@oclc.org>, hur@oclc.org (Matt Hur) writes:
> I overheard some bikers at a local shop talking about "counter-steering".
> Can someone tell me what that is?  I just steer my bike by turning
> the bars.

counter steering only works if the bike is not a shaftie whose
drive shaft turns in the opposite direction of the crankshaft,
which is why it works on viragos but not on bmws.

[i can't believe i'm getting involved in this again !!!!!!!!!]


-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: If you could pick only 5 bikes...
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:22:49 GMT
Organization: Why do you suspect that?

In article <1992Oct14.223554.251@colorado.edu> laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:
>>In article <92Oct14.151535.15488@acs.ucalgary.ca>, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes...
>>>Okay, denizens...If you could only have 5 bikes in your garage,
>>>what would they be?
>>> 
>>>My list: 
>
>honda 250cc 6
>vincent black shadow
>arial square 4
>BMW military R75 with side car and machine gun (take that you cager)
>R100PD for when i really wanted to ride.
>

*WHAT* about the BMW R69S that you keep after me about?  The world wonders!


>all these bikes will be BRAND new right out of the crate right?
>

OF COURSE.   THERE IS NO OTHER WAY, GREEN HORNET!
                   ^^

>Laszlo Nemeth
>pond_scum_sucker@cs.colorado.edu
>war
>"Harleys make to much noise. I guess I've just become a BMW snob" Mikii
>Not many men can say they made a woman orgasm and laugh at the same time.
>"He who dies with the most sub-nets wins" Peter Schmid

Let me tell you about my sub-nets ...


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff

            {  Friends don't let friends ride *MY* R69S  }
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: 105 MPH (was Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd.)
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 21:49:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.201103.19095@cedco.uucp> rickr@cedco.uucp (Rick Raque) writes:
>mf@dancer.uucp (24227-fusco) writes:
>
>>>****************************************************************************
>>>Eric House			"My employer doesn't share its opinions with
>>>"Quayle in '94"		   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>	Yea, and maybe we can elect the DoD to congress.....
>
>Hey! why not.... any DoD member couldn't do any worse than the people that
>are there now! : )    There would realy be some changes made.... ; )  
>
>rickr@cedco.uucp     DoD # 0673 |     Kentuckiana Unix Users Group 
>
>=============================================================================
>|   Rick Raque             |        Kentuckiana Unix Users Group            |
>|   Louisville KY          |                 DoD  #0673                     |

First thing that gets it is HOV lanes ... new rule will be: bikes only!

Followed by special revisions to the speed limits (see below) compensated
by special attention to squidley driving/riding.

     [   97 miles an hour;  it's not the law, it's just a good idea.   ]


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff

            {  Friends don't let friends run for Congress  }

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: heff@apollo.hp.com 
Subject: Crack Babies (was: Re: Flame Bait )
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:19:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: heff@apollo.hp.com 
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
Followup-To: talk.politics.drugs

> >>"Victimless crime" is an oxymoron.
> >
> >Not true.  Smoking dope is a victimless crime, many times.
> >-- 
> 
> I wonder if the people who care for crack babies would agree with you.

Even though dope != crack, I'm sure somebody would be happy to argue the
gateway argument of dope ->harder drugs.  

However, I'm also sure the nice folks over on talk.politics.drugs would
be more than happy to disabuse any of you of the gateway myth, as well as
the myth of crack babies.  Yep, apparently it's a blatant myth; there is no
evidence at all that crack has a significant detrimental effect on fetal
development.  Apparently, the studies failed to isolate the results from
alcohol and nicotine, plus the numbers got blown up by several orders of
magnitude.  


Jeff Oesterle

'82 Yamaha Vision 550
================
"No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, 
nor should they be considered patriots.  This is one nation under God."
                                         - George Bush
<choke> <cough> Say WHAT?!?!?!?
================

(Disclaim, disclaim, disclaim.)
From: eeharvey@cybaswan.UUCP (i t harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: DEAF MOTORCYCLISTS
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:05:31 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Heard on BBC radio 4 news last night: New BMA (British Medical Association)
report says that over half of motorcyclists have suffered permanent
hearing loss. Based on a survey of 100 bikers, the report claims that
the impairment is caused by high levels of low frequency noise, ie wind
noise, and not by engine noise. The report recommends the use of earplugs.

I know there's nothing new here, but the "over half" bit is a tad
surprising and worrying.

Ride quiet... I SAID.... Oh never mind...

PS What exactly is a plug-chop. TIA.

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________
  Ian Harvey, University College Swansea         Too old to rock'n'roll
  eeharvey@uk.ac.swan.pyr                              Too young to die
                              '79 GS750E                              
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: Quality metric fasteners
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:30:29 GMT

frank@marvin (Frank Perdicaro) writes:
>markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes:
>>I'm looking for a US distributer of metric fasteners of known quality.

>Why the ? do people not post where they are when they want specific
>hardware?  This guy might be in West Butplug, or he might be next
>door.  The best metric place east of the Mississippi happens to be
>right down the street from here in Wakefield, MA, but they do not mail
>order. 
>This place is so good that if they do not have it, they will tell you
>where you can have it made, but you have to go in and talk with them.
>Generally not useful if West Butplug is 800 miles from Wakefield.

That's West Buttplug, dammit!
Yes, it is more than 800 miles from Wakefield.

Thanks to all who responded, especially to my fellow Buttpluggers.
 ___
| o |  
|/-\|  )V(ark)<                            DoD #400
  |\   markk@tcs.com
  | \  TCSI Berkeley, CA USA         (510) 649-3781
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  (__) 1988 FZR400 \ 1985 ZX900 Ninja \ 1977 RD400D
          Longitude and latitiude unknown.
From: czw70@ccc.amdahl.com (CA Whitfield)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Bike Service in London
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:48:29 GMT
Reply-To: czw70@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (CA Whitfield)
Distribution: uk
Organization: Amdahl UK

In article <1992Oct14.155755.3979@elektro.cmhnet.org> root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.130926.668@halfdome.sf.ca.us> bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct13.161212.5749@alex.com>, lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands) writes:
>>> ---stuff deleted---
>>> 
>> ---rather obvious comment by Pasker deleted---
>>
>
>I visited a bike shop in London last winter, and was really interested in
>exploring bikes for hire.  Besides bikes for hire, I seem to recall that 
>they had a lot of customer bikes around the service area....etc, etc
>
>Now, the good question: what was their name and where are they?  I don't
>have the info right in front of me, but I think they are just at the
>South side of Albert Enbankment.  Does that make sense?
>
They are called Scootabout and they live under the arches on the south
side of Vauxhall Bridge.
By a Complete Coincidence (tm) this month's Motorcycle International
includes a feature comparing bike rental and buying.  Guess which rental
outfit they use...

Don't know the number of Scootabout: ask directory/yellow pages/talking
pages.
CAW

BTW, I have absolutely nothing to do with Scootabout, I haven't ever been
one of their customers.  I do, however, have the odd curry with the Editor
of MCI.  So there.
--
  >>>  Charlie Whitfield               czw70@juts.ccc.amdahl.com  <<<
  >>>  Tommies on Tour    -    Sports Touring Without Compromise  <<<
  >>>                                        DoD#0526   ToT#0002  <<<
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How far do you commute/Cereal for Breakfast
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:19:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> Here's a vote for Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs, the favorite cereal
-> of my hero.

 Yio!  I'll second that.  For some reason, Safeway always seems to be
out of them...
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: 80/81 CB750 s
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 7 Oct 1992 05:48:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <1992Oct6.232504.7501@megatek.com>, randy@ninja.megatek.uucp
(Randy Davis) wrote:
> 
> 
>   The K model was (is) a cruiser, the F or "supersport" model is a "standard"
> style by today's conventions.

Actually, the C or Custom is the cruiser version.  The big differences I've
noticed about it are:

The axle for the front wheel is set in front of the fork tubes as opposed
to at the bottom of them and,

The C has big single piston front disk, where the others had dual
piston.

I think the gearing may be a little lower on the C too (final, not
tranny)

I've put a little over 13,000mi on mine in the two years I've owned
it (first bike), and I'm planning on tearing the thing down to the
frame and seeing how close to new running/looking I can get it,
this winter.

> Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
> ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
> DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy

| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834 | DoD #207  AMA #573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci.  | KotNML  /  KotB      |
| "You can lead the house to order, but you     | '81 CB750C           |
| can't make it think"  -William Weld (Gov. Ma.)| '88 Bianchi Limited  |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dunne@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Dunne)
Subject: Re: Almost had it stolen tonite!
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:10:14 GMT

Datasbuild writes:

>he's got one and I can't" variety.  "A country born on the gun, will live by
>the gun and will eventually die under the gun" I read somewhere.  Ho hum....

    Well I don't think this country will die in this way (in fact "the
    gun" has saved ours and many others' sorry asses in wartime), but
    unfortunately many of its citizens will.  And I don't know what to
    do about it, except quit glorifying gun violence in movies and TV,
    and get the media to present an undistorted view for once.  Plus,
    make punishments more severe.

>Nick (the Gunless Biker)   MAG 73516   DoD 1069   Walther PPK
>M'Lud.

    Well MeLud, we seem to have a contradiction here... gunless but
    with a PPK?  (Nice pistol, I'm delivering one to a friend tomorrow
    in .380 caliber).  For the unaware, UK residents *can* own handguns,
    but with strict provisions -- you must be a club member for a year
    prior to purchase, and must keep it locked up securely at all times,
    seperate from the ammunition.  And many more rules I'm sure.

    ObMoto: I have a nice X-15 shoulder holster with which I can carry
    while riding in my local woods.  And with some of the yahoos that
    have shown up lately, I like to...

--
           Jim Dunne 	dunne@rtsg.mot.com    ...uunet!motcid!dunne
 All statements are merely opinions, yet are corroborated by a .357 magnum.
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: counter-steering?
Date: 16 Oct 1992 13:25:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 61184@mimsy.umd.edu, leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes:
>Hook...
>Line...
>And Sinker!!
>
>Stuff and mount that one, it's a real Keeper!!

Glad to provide you with such mature entertainment.

Hurry along, now, you're about to miss Sesame Street.

Twit.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Impact drivers
Date: 12 Oct 92 04:19:33 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <980@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com> jimwy@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com (Jim Wygralak) writes:
>
>I had (have) a similar dilemma.
>Two of the four screws that hold the left rear cover on my CL360 engine
>are quite frozen. The phillips heads were already partially stripped
>from a previous bozon attempting to use the wrong size driver to remove
>them.
>
>I got an impact driver.
>
>All I managed to do was finish stripping the heads out of the screws.
>Yes, I used the right size bit.
>
>These appear to be steel screws threaded into an aluminum case.
>Any suggestions how I get these puppies out of there?
>I'd really like to be able to inspect that drive sprocket.

I'm surprised no one has posted the following technique yet:

Get a good hard steel flat bladed chisel (about a 1/4 to 3/8 inch wide blade)
with a sharp blade, put the thing on the edge of the head of the screw (sort of
at a tangent, but a little steeper) so that light taps with a hammer on the 
chisel will cause the screw to rotate enough to break it loose. This technique
may require a little practice but has proven invaluable on my old 1970 Kawasaki
100cc trail bike. Impact drivers stripped the heads out too.         

Neal Howard DoD#686 XLH-1200 
==============================
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: We are sick and tired!!
Keywords: bovine kudu impala lechwe wildebeest pronghorn bison cow
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 22:15:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.132332.21728@aber.ac.uk> azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward) writes:
>
>I would like to prpose a new subgroup. There is clearly a vital need for
>a rec.motorcycles.high.pitched.whining. 
>
>Most of the postings for this group could be redirected here, so maybe 
>bandwidth could be saved by simply removing rec.motorcycles.
>
>Note no smileys.

He calls this high.pitched.whining:
          bovine kudu impala lechwe wildebeest pronghorn bison cow
                                                                 ??
Either he's got the wrong thread, or word definitions are backwards
down there ??  The world wonders.


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff

            {  Friends don't let friends whine and post  }

Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles:36103 rec.bicycles:23187
From: zebee@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Idiot bicycle races on non-closed courses (was Re: ignore - test)
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:19:58 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.itd.adelaide.edu.au

randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:

>|>  Just *whose* idea is it to hold bicycle races on public roads, especially
>|>considering how dangerous it is for the bicyclists on the roads they were
>|>on (north San Diego County roads, in this instance).
>|
>|Dangerous because of testosterone-crazed ZX11 riders, no doubt.

>  No, actually NOT, numb-nuts...  I was doing about 30 mph, came around a blind
>corner, and found 5 (count-em, FIVE) bicyclists across BOTH lanes of traffic.

I've been a motorcycle marshal for bike races, and it is almost impossible
to keep the silly buggers on the correct side of the road.

Eventually we had to disqualify a few before the others got the message.

We also had point riders to warn traffic ahead, tail end charlies
to warn people coming up on the race, and escorts to signal
drivers when it was safe to pass the pack.  This along with
wheel jockeys to carry wheels to the various packs when riders changed
position, and yet more motorcycles to stand at
intersections to stop people coming out and running into the pack
meant we had almost as many motorbikes as pushbikes.

-- 
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     Zebee Johnstone  DoD #605   | You don't own an Italian motorcycle 
     Adelaide City Council       |  - you merely have the privilege 
    zebee@itd.adelaide.edu.au    |    of paying its bills....