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From: ari@netcom.com (Ari Davidow)
Subject: Re: Fontographer vs. Font Studio
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:50:42 GMT

>Would people comment on ... the rleative merits of Fontographer vs. Font Studio...."

It's simpler than it sounds. Font Studio is by far the easier program to
use for manipulating type shapes. It is also buggy--occasionally cata-
strophically so--and it has its interface quirks. The designers of the
program have a poor relationship with Letraset, which markets the program,
and have ceased development in favor of a PC version.

Fontographer isn't bad, and has a lot of nice features. You can do worse.
And I haven't found any notable bugs.

ari
ari@netcom.com

Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: odonnell@adobe.com (Terry O'Donnell)
Subject: Multiple master font specification
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:27:18 GMT


kevinm@meadow.uucp (Kevin MacDonald) wrote:

> I am looking for information about Adobe's multiple-master font technology.
> Please send all replies to kjm40@amail.amdahl.com.
> Thankyou.


The multiple master extension to the Type 1 font format specification
is available from the Adobe PS File Server; instructions follow below.

Terry O'Donnell
Adobe Developer Support

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


The PS-File-Server is an automatic mail-response program. That means you
mail it a request, and it mails back the response. It is not accessible 
via anonymous FTP.

To get in touch with the server, send a message to the appropriate address,
either:
	uucp: {sun,decwrl}!adobe!ps-file-server OR
	internet: ps-file-server@adobe.COM
containing the word "help" in either the Subject: field or the message body.
It will reply with a message on how to use the available services.

There are many items available from the server; Documents (as PostScript
files), Format specifications, program sources, Adobe Font Metrics files, 
PostScript Printer Description files, and other items.

You might send a separate message containing the word "index" to save some
time once you get the help message.

The file server does not respond to requests from users named "root",
"system", "daemon", or "mailer". This is to prevent mail loops from bounced
messages.

Note: If you do not receive help from the server within a day or so, it is
probably because the server's mail to you has bounced. You can try again
and use the "path" command within your message specifying a known return
path that the server should use. For example:
	path pyramid!rutgers!zakkaroo!jj
(substitute whatever address is appropriate)

If you have any problems contacting the server, or you have any suggestions,
please send a message to the moderator (ps-file-person@adobe.COM).




Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: tribioli@arcetri.astro.it (Francesco Tribioli)
Subject: Is there a TT font editor
Keywords: True-Type
Organization: Osservatorio di Arcetri
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:35:05 GMT

Hi,
	I would like to have a font editor (PD or commercial) for MS Win3.1 
that can manage True-type fonts. Can anyone help me? Thanks.

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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Robert Stephen Rodgers)
Subject: Re: fonts
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:19:59 GMT

In article <yVHFsB8w165w@netlink.cts.com> lou@netlink.cts.com (Louis Puccio) writes:
>word processors - dos versions. The most common of these are Facelift, 
>Fonts on the Fly, Truetype for Dos, Morefonts,Publisher's Powerpak and 
>Fastfonts.


	I'd stay away from Publishers Powerpak--it's terrible, and the ghouls at Altech don't deserve the sales.  Morefonts produces better looking fonts, but it doesn't work properly with Windows 3.1 or the Intel SatisFAXtion software.  TrueType for DOS is a followup to Morefonts, and hopefully better (certainly would save disk space).  You should be aware that the Adobe importer for Morefonts isn't so hot--it produces really cryptic, funky font names.

Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: jeffgus@netcom.com (Jeffrey Gustafson)
Subject: Re: GNU font project...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:36:21 GMT

ainsjc@castle.ed.ac.uk (Steffan Corley) writes:


>Probably an FAQ, but I just caught the tail end of a discussion...

>What exactly is the GNU font project (yes, I can guess roughly).

>Presuming I was right, from the snippet I caught, in assuming that there
>is such a project underway, is it just starting up or are there already
>GNU fonts available? If so, where from?

	Wow!  Sounds interesting.  Please post info

>P.P.S. Anyone got any recommendations for paper for use with a Deskjet?

	Please pass on this info.  I still haven't found paper that
From: wilkins@dime (Tim Wilkinson)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: PS and TrueType?  Probably a FAQ, but...
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:40:15 GMT

Marc Hauser (mhauser@courtney.acns.nwu.edu) wrote:
> 
> I have a Mac Classic running system 6.0.7 and a TI Microlaser ps17 printer  
> hooked up.  It runs Postscript like a champion, but I was wondering if I  
> can, and how, run TrueType fonts on it.  Do I need something in the system  
> folder, since I do not think that it needs to be inherent within the  
> printer.  Or am I wrong?  If I am right, where do I get the necessary  
> software tools to allow me to do so?
> 
>           
You must have system 6.0.8 or higher (6.0.8 is 6.0.7 system software with the
printer drivers from system 7).  I believe the files are Laser Prep, 
LaserWriter and Background.  Just replace them with those from system 7 and
reboot.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 12 Oct 1992 09:38:12 CDT
From: <U59919@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: IBM ASCII remapping

I'm trying to figure out how to remap the alphabetical characters in the lower
128 ASCII characters on the IBM PC.
I don't mean some kind of graphics design, I mean directly re-bitmapping the
charatersso that they look different when they are typed to the screen.
If it could be done to the printer also, I'd like it even more.
This is not a font set I'm looking for, but it is close.
Some kind of non-TSR program which redefines the characters the way I want them
and then lets me go with them.

Thanx in advance...
From: gilligan@bldrdoc.gov (Jonathan M. Gilligan)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Resident Graphics?
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:58:20 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <1992Oct12.170225.1@wizard.colorado.edu> cearley_k@wizard.colorado.edu writes:
>I need to use a bitmap image like a logo or signature, and, if possible,
>download it as a font to an HP. The reason for this, is that I want it
>to be resident for a series of merge list letters, rather than forcing each
>letter to store and transfer the graphics for each page. I talked briefly
>with Zsoft about their Type Foundry product, they can take a scanned image
>and convert it a font. The problem seems to be, they map a maximum of 
>about 1.5" at 300 dpi to a character. I'm wondering if I can map an 
>image contiguously across a block of characters without worrying about
>intercharacter spacing, etc. 

There are two free utilities that, used together, will do what you want.
Best of all, both are free.

First use bm2font, available from a number of archives by anonymous
ftp (I don't remember addresses, so ask archie) bm2font converts pcx,
tiff, gif, and many other formats of bitmapped graphics into .pk
format fonts.  Large graphics are split into consecutive characters of
a font. This program is notable for its excellent conversion of color
graphics to halftone screens.

Then, assuming you don't use TeX, you will want to convert from .pk to
.sfp or .sfl (HP PCL portrait and landscape bitmapped soft fonts,
respeectively) format fonts using Norm Walsh's excellent pktosfp
software (available by anonymous ftp from niord.shsu.edu and other
fine archives).

Now you have a downloadable font for your laserjet that will produce
your letterhead or logo or whatever. I'm haven't tried the pktosfp
step for graphics, but I don't think you should have to worry about
intercharacter spacing. In any case, the software's free, so it's
probably worth a try before giving hundreds of dollars to ZSoft.

---Jon
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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: herbing@netmbx.netmbx.de (Kai-Uwe Herbing)
Subject: Re: Adobe's Utopia Family
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:22:38 GMT

It is on garbo.uwasa.fi: pc/fonts/utopia.zip.  This archive contains .PFB, .AFM
and .PFM files for Utopia, Utopia Italic, Utopia Bold and Utopia Bold Italic.

Best regards
Kai
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From: bkph@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: BOLD/Italic/...
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:17:18 GMT
In-reply-to: cc_paul@rcvie.co.at's message of 15 Oct 92 13:51:57 GMT


In article <1992Oct15.135157.26834@rcvie.co.at> cc_paul@rcvie.co.at (Wolf Paul) writes:

   Dave.Beaujean@davespc.mi.org writes:
   )I have puchased Fontographer for Windows and LOVE IT!!!
   )One problem, I don't understand why I can't put
   )the regular, bold, italic, and bold italic all in the
   )same font. The fonts that come with windows all include
   )ALL of the types in each face. Is it possible to do this
   )instead of creating 4 different fonts? BTW, I am tallking
   )about Adobe Type I fonts, that I use with windows. Any
   )help would really be appreciated. Thank!!!

   Windows Bitmap and Stroke fonts are packed together in
   resource files which usually contain all four styles.

   However, TrueType and Postscript fonts are not packed together
   in this fashion, but consist of a single file for each style.

Right, the question however, relates to how to prevent them from appearing
separately in the font menu.  The four styles should be merged under one
Windows Face Name, not appear as four separate names in the list of
available fonts.  The problem is that some applications do not generate
proper PFM (Printer Font Metric) files.  A kludgy way around this is to edit
ATM.INI (for Type 1 fonts).  The right way to do it is to make proper PFM
files (using AFMtoPFM say). 

Berthold K.P. Horn
Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: times fonty
From: lou@netlink.cts.com (Louis Puccio)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 03:58:19 PDT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

HI!! Can anyone tell me any other names out there for the Times font? 
(not times roman) Many companies have their own names for this font - 
such as CG Times and (I think ) tiempo bold.
thanks!!!

please email all answers to me

louis

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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: rogers@epas.utoronto.ca (Henry Rogers)
Subject: zip files
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Distribution: comp.fonts
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:46:59 GMT


Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Robert Stephen Rodgers)
Subject: Corel Draw/Makeup
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:24:35 GMT

Message:
> Corel Draw! 3.0 has the ability to create both TrueType and ATM fonts,
> although the method to do it is a bit complex.
> 
> Richard

	The method to make fonts in Corel Draw is needless complex, IMHO,
	to keep users from doing so, and then finding out how lousy the 
	tools in Corel are for such things--yet stil be able to advertise
	this ability.  At the very least, the fonts are unhinted, and the 
	quality is debatable.  (I haven't checked if the font output files
	are, like Corel 3.0's TT fonts, using a weird encoding scheme which
	causes associated printing problems, and prevents converting)..

	Fontographer is now available for Windows, if anyone cares.  Last I saw
	it was about $260.

	Update on Bitstream MakeUp:  I got the upgrade to 3.1 last night, which
	now includes the Bitstream Type Pack 2, a few extra fonts, and a manual
	supplement.  This was nice of bitstream, because as far as I knew
	there wasn't an upgrade in existance, and they shipped it right to me.
	The upgrade is a complete new version.  They seem to have fixed the 
	common crash problem, and the text handling is a lot faster (but still
	slower than Corel, which many people consider slow).  They now
	have a preferences system that works.  I do not know if they've fixed
	the 3d extrude bug, or the others that I mentioned before, but at least
	it's a usable product now (unless I missed something).


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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: kevinm@meadow.uucp (Kevin MacDonald)
Subject: Need FTP site that has truetype language definition
Followup-To: kjm40@amail.amdahl.com
Keywords: truetype languageDefinition
Reply-To: kjm40@amail.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Canada Ltd., Software Development Center
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 20:35:54 GMT


Does anyone know of the site, and directory that contains the truetype
language definition? Please reply to kjm40@amail.amdahl.com.

Also, are there other FTP sites that contain information pertaining
to other font description languages (e.g. postscript).

thankyou for your help
kevin macdonald
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: What are the diff between type 1,2,3?
From: Spartacus At CunyVM <I18BC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Saturday, 10 Oct 1992 13:58:36 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Supersedes: <92284.124923I18BC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Hi folks

   I have a question about ATM fonts that I'm pretty much in the
dark about.  What are the differences between Adobe Type 1, 2 and
3 fonts?  When is a particular type class used and not used.
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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: scruss@cix.compulink.co.uk (Stewart Russell)
Subject: SUMMARY: Adobe's Utopia Family
Reply-To: scruss@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:33:50 +0000

I've had a good response to this one; thanks to one and all.

A subset of the Utopia font family, comprising

    Utopia-Bold      
    Utopia-BoldItalic
    Utopia-Italic    
    Utopia-Regular

can be found on 

    export.lcs.mit.edu      [18.24.0.12]

in the directory structure beginning

    /pub/R5untarred/contrib/fonts/Utopia

Each font has its own directory, with font program (PFA), metrics
(AFM), and some screen bitmaps. The subdirectories are

    UTBI____.dir    for     Utopia-BoldItalic
    UTB_____.dir    for     Utopia-Bold
    UTI_____.dir    for     Utopia-Italic
    UTRG____.dir    for     Utopia-Regular

The data is NOT Public Domain, as noted in the following from
Adobe's README file ---

 In the interests of furthering standards for the X Window System, Adobe
 Systems Incorporated has contributed to the X Consortium and its members
 the Adobe typeface software listed below. This Adobe Type 1 font software
 donation will now allow users to experience and freely use traditional
 high-quality Adobe type in the X Window environment.

 Permission to use, reproduce, display and distribute the listed typefaces
 is hereby granted, provided that the Adobe Copyright notice appears in all
 whole and partial copies of the software and that the following trademark
 symbol and attribution appear in all unmodified copies of the software:

        Copyright (c) 1989 Adobe Systems Incorporated
        Utopia (R)
        Utopia is a registered trademark of Adobe Systems Incorporated

Utopia is also available on

    ftp.cs.umb.edu  [192.12.26.23]:pub/tex/{charter,utopia}.tar.Z

along with Bitstream Charter. I have not checked the format or
status of the Bitstream font; could someone please summarise?
(Mail me your summary - I can only WRITE this at present.)


General information about PostScript fonts, programming and
implementation can be found by mailing

    ps-file-server@adobe.com

Beginner's instructions can be received by sending a message
containing the line

help

to the server.

Thanks to all who responded; I now have Utopia working
beautifully with AmigaTeX and the `Post' software-based RIP.

    Stewart C. Russell

Thanks must go to the following people -

    johny@cogs.susx.ac.uk       (John Yeates)
    rjg@ssd.intel.com           (Richard J. Greco)
    jeremy@cs.aukuni.ac.nz      (Jeremy Gibbons)
    ath@linkoping.trab.se       (Anders Thulin)
    peter@memex.co.uk           (Peter Ilieve)
    fritz@ra.csc.ti.com         (Fritz Whittington)
    tim@cs.wisc.edu             (Tim Theisen)
    ablesone@uuisis.isis.org    (Erik Ableson)

If anyone else has mailed after I wrote this summary, thanks
for trying.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: lgorbet@carina.unm.edu (Larry P Gorbet ANTHROPOLOGY)
Subject: Re: Diff. between Lucida and Lucida Bright?
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 12:45:04 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: na 

Lucida Bright is included in the new TrueType FontPack from Apple.  Can 
anyone tell me what the difference is between this family and the (just 
plain) Lucida family from Adobe.  I own the latter (and Lucida Sans) 
and am considering buying the FontPack; I wonder if I am adding anything
to the Lucida superfamily I have if I get the Font Pack....
From: cg947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matt T. Pearce)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: True Type Palatino?
Date: 16 Oct 1992 05:06:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Is there a true Type version of Palatino out yet?
-- 
Later,
      -Bandit
From: tims@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: N Helvetica Narrow outline font file
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:36:11 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

Is there anywhere I can get the outline font for N Helvetica Narrow (so it 
can work with Adobe Type Manager and not look so lousy on my screen)?
Even a True Type version would be great. Any FTP sites?

Please post any information to this group or e-mail me.

Thanks tons,

TIM
From: alsu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alan Su)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Problems with 'TYPE/FONT' menu in PageMaker 4.0 w/many fonts
Date: 14 Oct 1992 01:55:22 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: lightning.berkeley.edu

To change the fonts in PageMaker if you have more than a screenful of fonts,
I think you can use the Edit-Preferences menu selection.  A dialog box should
pop up and there should be a drop down menu allowing you to scroll through all
your available fonts.  Hope this helps.
-Alan
P.S.  Question totally unrelated to this newsgroup, but does anyone know how
to change the default editor called up when one posts to the news?  Thanks.

Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: ari@netcom.com (Ari Davidow)
Subject: Re: PD Mac Russian font (Type1 + Laser)?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:58:34 GMT

I have seen some decent p.d. Mac Cyrillic fonts on America Online, and
on the BMUG BBS. I don't know where they might be on the net, though.
If you have access to either of these resources, do check them. I'll be
glad to upload an awful-looking, but serviceable Cyrillic Italia that
I worked on with a friend if someone will point me to an appropriate
ftp site.

The problem is going to be finding a font with the standard "Alternate"
encoding--oops--doesn't matter--this is Mac. 

ari
ari@netcom.com

Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: jmr@cyklop.nada.kth.se (Jan Michael Rynning)
Subject: Re: Mixing ordinary and "old style" figures. Does it look well?
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:24:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.153308.1769@aau.dk> kemius@aau.dk (Ulrik Serges) writes:
>Hello,
>
>well, I now have these old style figures (numbers aligned to minuscles),
>and I would like to use them in my thesis. But it contains some
>mathematical formulas, and I am not quite sure, whether I should use
>ordinary (versal size) or old style figures (OSF). I see three possi-
>bilities:
>
>1. I only use ordinary figures. This works ok, but looks a bit
>   boring, I think.
>
>2. I only use OSF. This would be nice in running text, but the formulas
>   would look a bit akward and unprofessional.

In old (19th century) issues of Acta Mathematica I have seen OSF used
both for text and for math formulas, except in sub- and superscripts,
where they used ordinary figures (for legibility, I persume).  It does
look a bit strange to a modern eye, so I recommend against it.

>3. Mixing ordinary and OSF. For use in formulas, I use ordinary figures, in
>   running text, I use OSF. Does it work? What about formulas in the
>   running text?
>   And what do I do with my equation numbers? They show up both in
>   formulas and in the running text. Should I always use OSF, thus mixing
>   ordinary and OSF in one line (formulas in ordinary, eq. numbers in OSF),
>   or use both ordinary (for use with formulas) and OSF (for references
>   in text), using differents fonts for the same number?

You could do that.  You will have to set up the fonts correctly, and you
probably have to change a few macros (persuming you use TeX).  You must
also remember to mark up every mathematical formula in the document, no
matter how small it is (still persuming you use TeX): ``... in Section
4 we prove that the result is $0$.''  Equation numbers should be typeset
with OSF, just like chapter and section numbers.

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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: rogers@epas.utoronto.ca (Henry Rogers)
Subject: zip files
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Distribution: comp.fonts
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:49:35 GMT

DOS fonts are usually stored in .zip files. I want to get these to
convert to Macintosh files. Does anyone know of a program running on a
Mac that will unzip these files.

Thanks

Henry Rogers

rogers@epas.utoronto.ca