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From: mush@craycos.com (Randy Murrish)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Some sad news from Colorado
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:21:53 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation



Some sad news from Colorado:

Last Thursday, a friend of mine who was having trouble dealing with
the passage of Amendment #2 committed sucide in his apartment.  Marty
had a hard time dealing with his HIV status, and the passage of 2
pushed him over the edge.  The only news in the local media has been
his obituary in Sundays newspaper.

Marty specifically mentioned Colorado for "Family Values" in the
letter he wrote, along with Will Perkins, the chairman of CFV.

I urge you to write the addresses found in previous messages and voice
your disgust at CO-2.

A memorial service will be held today at 1pm (MST).  Please think of
Marty at that time.

And so it goes...Randy
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Cray Computer Corporation                                Randy Murrish
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Colorado Springs, CO 80906                                719.540.4274
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Terry Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Colorado Addresses
Organization: Sun Microsystems Rocky Mountain Technology Center, Colo Spgs
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 19:49:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.174010.6348@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>Thanks to Tim Petlock (hi, ya big cutie!) for posting addresses
>in Colorado.  I would like to see more such addresses, and in
>as many of the more conservative parts of the state as possible,
>especially in areas dependent on tourist income for their welfare.
>I'm thinking of Durango and other places in the SW part of the state,
>Colo Springs, Glenwood Springs, etc.

Sixteen of Colorado's 63 counties voted against Amendment 2.  You can
fault Colorado and Glenwood Springs, but probably not Durango; La Plata
county voted solidly against it.  El Paso county (Colo. Spgs) voted more
than 2-1 for Amendment 2.

>
>I'm about to go on a letter-writing binge.
>

A few more addresses for you:

Colorado Springs Chamber of Commerce
2 North Cascade Ave
Colo. Spgs, Co 80903

Colorado Springs Convention and Visitors Bureau
104 South Cascade Ave
Colo. Spgs, Co 80903

>Another list that would be good to have would be addresses
>of large corporations (like Coors) that have their
>headquarters in Colorado.  Somebody mentioned LL Bean, whose

I don't have the addresses of too many Colorado-based businesses,
but some companies to consider are Coors, Storage Technology,
US West and US West Cellular, any subsidiary of TCI, Inc, the
large cable tv conglomerate, and Exabyte Corp.

One other company that should be made to notice is the Chrysler
Corporation.  The head of CFV, Will Perkins, owns one of the largest
Chrysler dealerships in the state.  Since he is largely responsible
for CFV's funding, they should be aware of the consequences.

The front page of the Colorado Springs paper had an article today
on the cancellation of a number of conventions that had been 
scheduled for Colorado because of Amendment 2.  It also mentioned
the potential boycots.  This suggests to me that it will be an 
effective tactic.

>Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin

Terry Bartlett			   bartlett@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM
Sun Microsystems		   "You've got to stand for something,
Rocky Mountain Technology Center    or you'll fall for anything..."
Colorado Springs, CO 80918         
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Gerbiling and acceptance of other peoples' info. !!
Date: 07 Nov 92 23:20:18 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

In article <1992Nov4.185137.13036@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.170422.24135@oracle.us.oracle.com>
>dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly) writes:
>
>>In article <strong-031192165420@homey.apple.com>
>>strong@apple.com (Bob Strong) writes:
>
>>>Is Catherine the Great one of them, or is THAT an "urban" myth too?
>
>>That's a horse of a different color.
>
>Although she herself, speaking French, would have said
>that's another pair of sleeves.
>

What, was she fisting the horse then too?

And, btw, what would she have said in German, having once
been a minor German princess herself?

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.homosexual,alt.feminism
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Looking for a Queer Friendly Place
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 17:03:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.153240.6869@news.stolaf.edu>
cjohnson@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Carrie L Johnson)
writes:

>Hi Ya'll,
>I need your help, as of right now I'm transfering and I need help as to where 
>to go...

>I'm a writer and that is also very important to me.  What i would love is a 
>place where i can get a good education in writing and be politically active
>with a LARGE community on a VERY queer friendly campus...

From your mention of a number of smaller schools, I suppose
you've ruled out the major state universities on the basis
of size.  But I can certainly attest that the Twin Cities is
a very LGB-positive place (especially L), with a very
large, varied, and active community.  I'm not sure, but I
think Minnesota also has a strong writing program.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
<>  <>  <> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <>  <>  <>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: i just like sniffing the fumes
Summary:    ...when they are ON the trucker beast
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:51:39 GMT

In article <BxGx7J.Iyy@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
>Jess Anderson (anderson@macc.wisc.edu) wrote:
>> In article <BxGLo7.BGt@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike
>> Drayton) writes:
>> ]Nelson Minar (nelson@reed.edu) wrote:
>> ]> soc.motss.diesel
>> ]Oh, absolutely!  I mean, last Saturday afternoon when I was rebuilding
>> ]the vacuum pump, inspecting the bushes, checking my spray pattern,
>> ]and measuring the volume delivered, I really _really_ could have used 
>> ]some help and support from some other diesel-queens!
>> [I wouldn't be interested in that [soc.motss.sex] at all.
>> You would be if I got a chance to show you my glow plugs!
>You'll have to get 'em out first.  Sometimes that ain't so easy.
>> How many whorespower does yours have?  I love big ones!
>
>Wanna trade bore & stroke measurements?

it aint the bore & stroke, its the main shaft torque that counts!

-- 
   - Ken Dykes, Thinkage Ltd., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada    [43.47N 80.52W]
         kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca   postmaster@thinkage.com   thinkage!kgdykes
         harley-request@thinkage.on.ca             kgdykes@math.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: Charlie Fulton <charlie@isis.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: Ctr for Advanced Rsrch in Oppressive Binarisms
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
     <1992Nov13.000355.22810@ux1.cts.eiu.edu>
     <1992Nov13.000904.29447@tc.cornell.edu>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:04:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.000904.29447@tc.cornell.edu> 
Melinda Shore, shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.221645.25826@ncar.ucar.edu> 
>gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>>  My ideal world would contain no such protections for 
>>  anyone. If you want to fire me because I'm white, male, 
>>  and het then that's your right. If I want to fire you because 
>>  you're female, gay, bi, a poor dresser, whatever, then that 
>>  should be my right.
>
>Again, easy for you to say.  As a white male, you're 
>pretty much guaranteed not to encounter that kind of 
>discrimination.

Folderol!  As a white, heterosexual male Mr. Strand
cannot be employed by any branch of the News and
Entertainment media.   Neither can he be a hair stylist,
an interior decorator or a church organist.

I'm inspired by the grace with which he accepts this
discrimination.  He realizes that he lacks the requisite
creativity for the careers listed above as surely as I
realize that I am totally unfit to serve my country or
adopt children.  So what's the problem?

Charlie
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: swirsky@adobe.com (Robert Swirsky)
Subject: Re: Colorado Addresses
Organization: Robert A. Swirsky 
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:42:45 GMT

It seems that many technical magazines from Ziff Davis (i.e, PC Magazine) 
and M&T (i.,e Dr Dobbs) use a 'fulfillment service' that is located
in Boulder CO. This company is under contract to process magazine
subscriptions for these publishers.

I called both of the companies and asked if it is possible to get
a subscription without going through the Colorado subscription
service, and am awaiting a reply. (I followed up with a letter.)

If you subscribe to Dr Dobbs or PC magazine, you may want to consider
calling the editorial offices and telling them that you do not
wish to do business with Colorado, and ask if you can get a subscription
directly from the publisher.

Perhaps if enough people complain, they'll find a fulfillment service
in a less controversial state. 

This type of pressure helped to start change in South Africa; there's 
a good chance it will work with Colorado, too. 
-- 
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One of the most disgusting things I have ever witnessed was that horrible
little glove with a face that sells Hamburger Helper singing a twisted,
tormented version of "La donne e mobile."      -Mike Hurben
From: jeh@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Jim Hubbs)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Homosexuals raising children
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:30:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: aplcenmp.BxL5vL.BH4
Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs

ttoon@saxon.ling.lsa.umich.edu (Thomas Toon) writes:

>older (sixteen year old) son I am gay, his immediate reply was, "How many  
>people know?"  After he heard the answer, he said, "I wish I had been the  
>second person you told rather than the sixth."  He then asked me what's for  
It's good that you told him yourself.  If they find out from someone
else it can really destroy trust in the relationship.  I came out
to my 7 year old daughter soon after I told my wife.  She could 
grasp the concept, but was fortunately still young enough that
she hadn't yet been affected by societal attitudes on the subject.

I would like to think that it will pay off in the long run.  It is
something that "just is" about her father.  Of course, it wasn't
something that I wished to hide from anyone close to me.  After
years of being in the closet to myself I didn't want to perpetuate
it any more.

What's really amazing to me is the number of gay men I meet who
have children or had been married.  It pains me to see visions of
my old self in married men who aren't ready to come out yet.  You
can't pull them out of the closet, they have to make that leap.
But sometimes I just want to shake them and say "It may seem
safer in the closet, but there is a wonderful world out here 
that you are missing."

>your kids is a big deal.  Otherwise we gay parents are just like all the others  
>who try to do their best.  
Good point.  Parenting is parenting no matter what your orientation.
I'd would like to think that gay and lesbian parents sometimes have
an edge since they have gotten in touch with an important aspect of
their personality.  You have to be honest with yourself before you
can be completely honest with other people.  Kids can spot 
dishonesty better most adults.

>For a completer answer to your other questions about  
>whether we abuse our kids or make them homosexual, etc., I refer you to an  
>excellent book, Gay Fathers.
A very good book.  I would also recommend the various gay and lesbian
parenting organizations that have chapters in many cities.  When it
comes to parenting there is nothing new under the sun.  Being able
to share your experiences with other parents makes the task easier.

Jim Hubbs
jeh@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu
Johns Hopkins APL
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Colorado's Amendment 2
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:41:09 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1992Nov5.021230.29953@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu
(Jess Anderson) wrote:

> Heil Himmelmac, the antipode: "I work for a living; I don't think."

So *clever* you are...  But I already thought of that one.  I even
pointed it out to you.  I believe it was in response to Mr. Hamilton.
Something like "No, Mr. Hamilton.  I am not paid to think..."

But a nice try, nonetheless.

But where is the flood, Jezeboo?  You've been surprisingly terse
in your postings.

*X*
From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Boycott Worse than Pointless
Date: 6 Nov 92 09:01:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov6.090118.17957
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <mattm-051192110133@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>
>In case of doubt, call for a boycott, eh?  Perhaps a little
>reflection is in order, first?  The election is over.  The vote
>has been cast.  Even if the voters in Colorado were to wake up
>tomorrow morning slapping their head in shock and dismay, 
>exlaiming "What have I done?" - there's nothing that can be 
>done about it until the next election.
>
>The only avenue open to countering this amendment is through
>the courts.  The courts will not be swayed by a boycott of
>all things Coloradean.  
>
>Ergo, a boycott will have *no* *impact* on the resolution of
>the crisis in Colorado.
>
>It would be far better to support the Colorado gay community in
>their efforts to pursue legal action.  A boycott would have
>exactly the opposite effect.  Damage to the Colorado economy
>(however slight it may be) will be reflected in the Colorado
>gay community.  Thus, the actions of a self-righteous pack of
>faggots external to Colorado will be diminishing the ability of 
>the Colorado gay community to fight.
>
>Indeed, here we have an amendment saying it is now illegal to toss
>someone from their job for being gay.  And how does the American
>gay community react?  By seeking to destroy the Colorado economy,
>thereby putting them out of work anyway.
>
>Brilliant.  Really fucking brilliant.


Brilliant?  Maybe in all of your excitement you have accidentally 
said "illegal" instead of "legal"?  

I feel that a boycott is in order and I feel we should help with
the Gay community of Colorado and its court battle. 


Tightening the screws at both ends would be beneficial in the long
run.  I don't think we should put all of our cookies in one basket, do
you?

Also it worked in Arizona!  It worked 3-1 for MLK day!!!!

>
>God save Colorado from a tide of Totalitarian Tinkerbells.
>
>*X*

Actually, we all need a few more Tinkerbells in our lives!!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Lesbianlessness (was Re: Re: Lesbianville on 20/20)
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 13:41:09 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

the show Street Stories is running a show this thursday
(in my area) on a lesbian couple living in Oregon.  it's
hosted by one of the 60 Minutes journalists -- this
doesn't look like another Cop Stories spinoff.
-- 
Queer Without A Cause!
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Request for text of CO:2
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 20:45:38 GMT


In article <36957@cbmvax.commodore.com>
brichard@cbmvax.commodore.com (B.  Richard) writes:

>  Could someone post the actual text of CO:2?  I have been 
>discussing it among friends, but can only paraphrase it.  Having the 
>text would be of help.

Since it's not very long, here it is:

Be it Enacted by the People of the State of Colorado:

Article 2, of the Colorado Constitution is amended by the
addition of Section 30, which shall state as follows:

NO PROTECTION STATUS BASED ON HOMOSEXUAL, LESBIAN, OR
BISEXUAL ORIENTATION.  

Neither the State of Colorado, through any of its branches
or departments, nor any of its agencies, political
subdivisions, municipalities or school districts, shall
enact, adopt or enforce any statute, regulation, ordinance
or policy whereby homosexual, lesbian or bisexual
orientation, conduct, practices or relationships shall
constitute or otherwise be the basis of, or entitle any
person or class of persons to have or claim any minority
status, quota preferences, protected status or claim of
discrimination.  This Section of the Constitution shall be in
all respects self-executing.


-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
<>  <>  <> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <>  <>  <>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Gerbiling and acceptance of other peoples' info. !!
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 22:54:00 GMT


In article <BxB67E.78E@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike
Drayton) writes:

>Eugen W. Schmidt (gsmith@clio.uucp) wrote:
>                       [getilgt]
 
>        Irgendwie hat man deinen "Login Name" falsch geschaffen.  
>        Wahrscheinlich soll es "eschmidt" oder "eugens" sein.  

Now you know perfectly well, Mike, that all those Germans
would like nothing better than to be Just Like Us, so
they're taking on all sorts of airs, spelling Eugen W.
Schmidt as Gene W. Smith, and giving themselves
correspondingly anglicized login names.  Pretty soon they'll
probably even be throwing fire bombs at foreigners or
passing laws outlawing some portion of the population in the
True American Way.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
<>  <>  <> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <>  <>  <>
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: Twice Fucked (Colorado gays)
Summary: Drew don't shiv.
Organization: International Irony League -- Death before smileys!
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:25:38 GMT

I wrote:
>But... but... he was right, wasn't he? CO-2 isn't nearly as bad
>as OR-9. OR-9 would have mandated state homophobia, and made it
>required curriculum in state-run schools. CO-2 just struck down
>antidiscrimination laws. CO-2 is bad, but OR-9 would have been
>much worse.
>
>So what did your friend say that was out of line?

Then Bob Donahue wrote:
>
>	Congratulations!  For you a FREE CLUE has been planted in 
>Bolivia.  Simply go there to redeem it and valuable prizes.
>
>	Your homework - write a 1000 word essay on "why anti-discrimination
>laws are important to gaining equal rights".  Frame it over your
>desk as a reminder.
>
>	Perhaps we could have you fired from Netcom for being gay.... would
>that make it easier for you to understand?  OK --- add in that if we did
>do this terrible thing ***there wouldn't be anything you could do to stop it
>or serve justice about it***!  You can't fight it, you can't sue, even if
>your company said they'd never do this horrible thing.
>
>	Has the lightbulb been lit yet?
>
>	Put another way... if OR:9 is "really bad" and CO:2 is only
>"not-so-bad" does thatmean that you'll have an opinion on the relative
>merits of being put to death in a gas chamber or say being impaled?
>Yes, Andrew this *is* a war.  Wake up and smell the napalm.
>
>BBC

Meow! Someone got up on the wrong side of life this morning. You
ought to give some kind of warning to these postings; you know,
something like "Summary: Attitude Queen on the rag... Proceed
with caution". (How's that for flamebait?)

Okay, you guys win. CO-2 is just as bad as OR-9. And herpes is
just as bad as AIDS. And scratchy wool is just as bad as
polyester...
-- 
Andrew M. Solovay	    "Until there was rock, you only had God."
					--Ziggy Stardust

#include <disclaimer.h>
From: ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Yet another motss flame war
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:13:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.183313.8448@macc.wisc.edu>, on 5 Nov 92 18:33:13 GMT,
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>
>
>In article <16794@umd5.umd.edu> jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>
>>Previously, Jack B. Newsbaum (ecl4jn2@mvs.oac.ucla.edu)
>>wrote [in article <19921028232740ecl4jn2@mvs.oac.ucla.edu>]:
>
>>>        ====Jack====
>
>>whereas more recently he wrote:
>
>>>          =Jack=
>
>>Are we to take this as indicating some
>>erosion in your commitment to equality?
>
>What commitment?
>
Obviously, nothing like yours.

>--
>Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
>Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
>NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
>Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
>

        =Jack=
---

Jack B. Newsbaum             You have rights antecedent to all earthly
Library Information Systems  governments; rights that cannot be
University Research Library  repealed or restrained by human law.
ecl4jn2@mvs.oac.ucla.edu               - John Adams
From: Alan.Moorman@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Alan Moorman)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: hello
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 23:23:00 -0600

Hello,

This is my first time on soc.motss...

Imagine my chagrin when I downloaded 150 messages, and they were all
dupes of two different messages, one blank, and one well into a thread
about the purpose of soc.motss!

Any of you have the same problem?

Anyway... Hello to you all, hope the messages have a little more variety
from how on!  (Grin)

Rocky

 * OLX 2.2 * Loosen up!  Dance naked in front of a pet!

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