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From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: HAWKEYE BOWL CHANCES
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:12:10 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <9744@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, gunner1+@pitt.edu (Jayant Rajgopal) writes:
...
> Come one, you're surely not naive enough to
> think that bowl invitations are sent out purely
> on the basis of football merit.  What matters a LOT
> is (1) how many fans the school is capable of 
> drawing, and (2) how influential the school, its
> conference and its coach are.  In both regards,
> most Big 10 teams - and certainly Iowa - come out
> pretty strongly. 
> 
> Now, having said that I must admit that I hope the 
> Hawks turn down an invite if one comes their way - 
> I don't think I can stand to watch BYU or SDSU or some
> other dinky WAC school beat up on them...

	I seem to remember an awful Michigan team (6-5) accepting a bid to play
BYU (yuck, when they were 12-0 against high school teams), and losing.  Letting
BYU claim #1 at 13-0.
	Ick.  Let's keep the other teams home and let OSU win, Michigan lose, 
and MSU beat up on BYU.

Brett
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From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big Ten Should Withdraw was (Penn State Should Withdraw
Date: 21 Nov 92 18:43:07 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1ekkrlINNh00@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, lpc4@po.CWRU.Edu (Lawrence P. Col
ucci) writes:
>
>While the football programs in the Big Ten have dwindled, the
>basketball programs have swelled to make it the toughest conference
>in the nation (see 50% of final four).

I have an Idea why not play an ACC/Big Ten Challenge and watch the Big Beasts
from the South East replay the Civil war with vastly opposite results, and
just for fun, lets do the same in football, we'll mop the floor with the big
ten or eleven.  I have lots of respect for a conference that can't even count.

>That's beside the point.  The Big Ten was the original, and still the
>best.  Look at the Ohio State-Michigan game.  When one game commands
>more attention from a team than the rest of the season, you have to
>look at tradition - something embedded in the Big Ten, and teams such
>as Penn State and Notre Dame.  Florida et al have nothing on them - they
>get away with whatever they want, but nothing that they do can change
>the things that the teams of the Big Ten have done for football.
>Sure they have perennial losers, but they also have perennial contenders.
>The thing is today, if you can play football inside or in the sun, why
>not get the most out of your abilities.  Uh-uh.  Football was MEANT
>to be polayed in the snow and rain of the northeast. Too bad, I usually
>like "progress".
>
-- 
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From: dames@cs.uiuc.edu (Raymond Dames)
Subject: Re: Michigan vs. winning teams?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:49:22 GMT

scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn) writes:

>     Is it true that Michigan hasn't beat a team with a final record over .500 
>this year? Could someone post their schedule and let us know?

week 1: Tie 	ND (8-1-1)	17-17
week 2:	Win	OkSt (5-5-1?)	35-3
week 3:	Win	Houston (3-7)	61-7
week 4: Win	Iowa (5-7)	52-28
week 5: Win	MichSt (5-6)	35-10
week 6: Win	Indiana (5-6)	31-3
week 7: Win	Minn (2-9)	63-13
week 8: Win	Purdue (4-7)	24-17
week 9: Win	Nrthwstrn (3-8)	40-7
week10: Tie	Illini (6-4-1)	22-22
week11: Tie	OSU (8-2-1)	13-13

Note that every winning team Michigan played this year has a tie! ;)


						Ray Dames
						dames@cs.uiuc.edu
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From: kollur@aix.rpi.edu (Ramana Kolluri)
Subject: Re: Iron Bowl
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:15:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.001905.4670@news.duc.auburn.edu> hammekr@eng.auburn.edu writes:
>I've gotta get a voice of reason in here.  I don`t think there`s any way Bama's offense, whose anaemic performances are surpassed only by Auburn's, could score more than three times on Auburn`s defense.  Except for the offensive powerhouses at LSU and Ole Miss (okay, let's write those off as sub-par games) Auburn`s 'D' has stood up pretty well.  A _good_ quarterback could probably beat Auburn badly on those 20 yard passes the secondary only gives up on third and long, but I don`t think that Barker is stel



l
>
>
>ar material.
>Having spouted all that, I`ll have to disagree with the student paper here (Auburn 16-14) and say 
>
>Auburn 15  Bama 14  (both touchdowns scored on interception returns)
>
>
>Rich Hammett
>
Oh! Rich, I doubt it will be that close the way Stan White's been playing.
lately. he looks a lot better than earlier in the year.
Auburn 63 Alabama 3 is more like it. I think Pat Dye is too classy to
run up the score beyond that.
Ramana

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From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Re: FSU 1993 Schedule
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:33:17 GMT

In article <75240@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) wrote:
>}
>}                    ND usually gets a very ugly reception down south, which
>}has soured many ND alums from ever wanting to play there again.  
>
>Can you elaborate on this?  Did Notre Dame get a "very ugly reception"
>in Birmingham, AL or Clemson, SC or Baton Rouge, LA or Jackson, MS or
>at any other place they have played "down south" in recent memory?
>Or are you really just talking about Miami, which is hardly representative
>of the south?
>
>-- 
>Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
>
>       "Death wears a big hat, 'cause he's a big bloke."    

I don't know about every time they've played in the South.  Of course, the
last few times in Miami were very ugly for the fans.  They were literally
afraid for their safety.  There was an incident at Georgia Tech, but I
don't know when exactly, maybe under Devine?  Maybe Pat Fleming or someone
else knowledgeable about ND knows more about southern hospitality for ND?


-- 
Matthew B. Shostak              Landmark/Zycor
mbs@zycor.lgc.com               (512) 292-2357
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the war room!"
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From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
Subject: Re: Michigan, ND, Miami etc ...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:47:11 GMT

jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:

>rszczerb@boole.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:

>>Can anyone give me any justification why Michigan is
>>still ranked ahead of ND in the AP poll?  About the only
>>significant thing Michigan did this season was to tie ND.
>>They almost lost to Purdue and they played a pathetic game
>>against Illinois and went for a last second tie ... giving
>>up any chance to win the MNC.

>>ND, on the other hand, beat BYU, Boston College, and
>>Penn State.  If they keep the string alive and beat  
>>USC then I don't see why they should be ranked behind
>>the Wolverines.  ANy other opinions ...

>>		- rob

>Can you give me any justification why the header has :
>     Michigan, ND, Miami etc .. 

>Oh about the other question, rob - maybe it's because ND has a loss !!!

Buzz, wrong, try again.

This doesn't wash.  fsu has a loss, but their ahead of A&M.

Todd

>Justin - stickin his nose in just for the hell of it - Frederich




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From: celio@vixen.SanDiego.NCR.COM (John Celio)
Subject: USELESS STAT TRIVIA
Reply-To: celio@vixen.SanDiego.NCR.COM (John Celio)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:32:24 GMT

        File this away under useless trivia that only stat freaks will
        enjoy.  In their game against Hawaii last weekend, San Diego St.
        became the first Division 1-A team to ever have a rusher gain
        300 yards (Marshall Faulk) and a quarterback pass for 300 yards
        (David Lowery) in the same game.


        John A. Celio                        phone: (619) 485-3392
        NCR Corporation                        FAX: (619) 485-2403
        LCPD-San Diego
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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Open question to Notre Dame fans
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:12:07 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <1992Nov23.152224.15683@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@hollerith.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:

| In article <1992Nov23.134120.16912@lgc.com> mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) writes:
| >In article <8f3pibG00iUy40hXxC@andrew.cmu.edu> William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
| >>In an article <1992Nov21.002347.1106@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> 
| >>zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR)) writes:
| >>
| >>>How about if ND drops the Navy game from its schedule, and decides to resume
| >>>series with Miami??? Navy hasn't won a game in this series since the 60's.
| >>>What do you ND'ers think??
| >>
| >
| >Miami should also drop their easiest game.
| >
| >
| 
| One thing to consider ... Navy (and all of ND's opponents) are
| Division I-A schools ... unlike some of Miami's opponents.

Navy only beat one team last year, and that was Army.  This year
Navy has only beat Tulane, and got shut out three games.

Navy may be in a I-A ranked, but they are a I-AAA quality.

ND won't play Miami outside the Fieta Bowl, and ND's not good enough to make it to
#2 to get the game.
From: nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan)
Subject: Re: Georgia 14, Auburn 10
Organization: ^$
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:47:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.184229.15519@infonode.ingr.com> nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan) writes:
>In article <75173@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>>In article <7083@news.duke.edu> daniel@raphael.acpub.duke.edu (Daniel Crawford) writes:
>>>...
>>>Here are a few quotes from today's Atlanta Journal-Constitution:
>>>
>>>"SEC ATTEMPTS TO CLARIFY END OF GEORGIA-AUBURN"
>>>
>>>"The SEC statement said, first, that NCAA rules 'do not allow for
>>>the clock to be stopped on a fumble when it is obvious the ball has
>>>been recovered by the offensive team.  The official's responsibility
>>>is to mark the spot of the recovery.
>>
>>Except in the last play of the game, it was not so obvious to either
>>the officials, the players, or the fans.
>
> But it was obvious to the official who immediately started pointing to the 
>ground indicating Auburn had recovered. What suprised me was the clock operator
>didn't stop it when one of the officials attempted to call time-out with around
>3 seconds left. If this had been in Athens, no suprise, but this was Auburn's
>clock operator. 
>
>     (add r's to those suRprises)
>>
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>^  Dr. J(effrey Neil Burch)                 jb118@prism.gatech.edu    ^
>>^  Georgia Tech Research Institute                                    ^ 
>>^  Electro-Optics and Physical Sciences Laboratory                    ^
>>^  Atlanta, Georgia                                                   ^
>>^  30332                        When in peril, or in doubt,           ^
>>^  404-894-3628               Run in circles, scream and shout.       ^ 
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>


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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: Oklahoma clinches Orange Bowl
Organization: Buffalo Stampede
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:55:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.210311.12521@ryn.mro4.dec.com> murphy@rock.enet.dec.com () writes:
>
>Ok, now that I have your attention.  I tried this before but never got the
>answer I wanted.  On Saturday, OU and OSU tied.  IF(repeat for the brain dead
>IF IF IF IF) OU had beaten OSU(repeat OSU OSU, not CU), and
>went on to beat Nebraska, they would be 5-1-1 as would be CU.  Who would go
>to the Orange Bowl.  The dilemma is, that if OU would go rather than CU (I
>don't know, you tell me), then Gibbs costs his team a shot at the Orange
>Bowl by accepting the tie (if I recall, they kicked a short FG to tie at the
>end, I could be hosed in the head).  But he may be assuming that NU has
>beaten ISU, or does he know of the upset first, which might change his 
>decision.  Go for the win, beat highly ranked NU to finish 8-2-1. With the
>final win over NU and a several year hiatus from Miami, get the OB bid. Or
>MUST the OB take 9-1-1 CU, despite the in conference tie.  If so, avoid the
>loss to get a minor bowl bid.

My understanding is that the only tie-breaker in the Big 8 is
head-to-head record, which is why CU and NU (who had tied each other)
were co-champions last year at 6-0-1.  When the conference does not
declare an outright champion, the Orange Bowl can offer its bid to
either co-champion, and will almost certainly select the highest ranked
team.

In your scenario, OU and CU tied each other and so would be declared co-
champions at 5-1-1, but since CU is ranked and OU ain't, Gibbs wouldn't
have cost his team the Orange Bowl bid (just a share of the conference
title).

Big 8 fans: Is my understanding of the conference tie-breaker correct?
-- 
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Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
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From: wlay@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Radio 90.1 FM WLAY Tarkington Hall)
Subject: Re: Penn State Should Withdraw
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:04:22 GMT

In article <92322.155336MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu> MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu (Spiro the Spiny Goldfish) writes:
>
>
>>Let's see, PSU talks the Lackluster Bowl into offering them a bid BEFORE
>>the season even starts.  Then those brave Paternoes play the rough and
>>tumble schedule which includes Cincinnati, Temple, Eastern Michigan,
>>Maryland, and Rutgers.  Their record is now 6-4, they're out of the top
>>25.

> (The Blockbuster was hoping to score a coup
>and get a better team than they could normally expect, but c'est la vie.)
>----

Do keep in mind that when this bowl alliance that was to be the end of all
problems with bowl matchups was created, Penn State was not included, and
neither was the Blockbuster Bowl.  Penn State was trying to assure themselves
of going to a decent bowl game (which the Blockbuster has been in its first 2
years) and the Blockbuster was trying to assure itself of having a decent 
team (this year's PSU team isn't exactly what they had in mind, but can be 
a fairly good draw on their name alone, kinda like ND in the Sugar last year!)

Both parties did what they had to do after being hung out to dry by the 
powers that be.

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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Cougar Bowl Hopes?
Originator: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 01:16:28 GMT

In the KXLY post-game coverage of the Apple Cup, WSU AD Jim
Livengood was just interviewed and asked about the bowl
possibilities.  He said that he had just gotten off of the
phone about 3 minutes ago with the Copper Bowl people, and
while he wouldn't say anything specific, he said the conversation
was a very good one for Cougar fans.  And he looked genuinely
happy.  Should I be optimistic?  And a little bit later, someone
(I can't remember who now, I was away from the TV) alluded to a
possible WSU-Iowa matchup.

Isn't it a shame that an 8-3 PAC-10 team has to wait to see if
it's going to be in a bowl?

Jim
-- 
Jim Jungbauer                 |  Go Vikings, Northstars, Cougars!
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From: smithg@a.cs.okstate.edu (SMITH GARY WAYNE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: test
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:16:48 GMT
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater

In article <1992Nov18.181046.19238@nntpserver.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>WEYLAND,MARK writes:
>>I am new to the net and this group, I posted on alt.test and it seemed to 
>>work, however I don't think my post in rsfc made it anywhere.  If anyone 
>>reads this please respond. thanks.
>>Gig 'EM
>>MDW '88
>
>We didn't get it over here.
>Try it again....
>
>--J.J.
>
>Gag me.

Hey look J.J. - Another aggie.  

- goober (aggies are like cockroaches... they're everywhere) smith

p.s. I understand you're a little hungry.
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From: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: THE Game
Reply-To: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:07:29 GMT


Harvard beat a pretty lousy Yale team that did not seem to want to take what
they were given by the Crimson.  On a cloudy day a Soldiers Filed, the Crimson
took an early 7-0 lead on a drive consisting primarily of sweeps and short
screens.  At the end of the first half the Elis drove to the Harvard 15, but
the drive ended on a pass caught out of bounds in the end zone as time ran out
(the play started with 7 sec left, and the slow motion Yale offense couldn't 
get a play done before the half ended to salvage a FG attempt - very curious
they didn't try a kick on that play, perhaps their FG kicker was a pathetic
as thier punter).  VERY POOR clock management that the drive ended on second
down at the 15 with the Elis hanging on to two lonely time-outs.

After a three and out by Yale on the first drive of the second half, Harvard
put together the best drive of the day using power running to go up 14-0.  The 
teams exchanged a few punts before Yale threatened when a sweep left went about
55 yards before the "fleet footed" Yale RB was tracked down by a Harvard man
at the 3 near the end of the third.  My feeling at this point was that Yale
was doomed when he didn't score on that run.  My fears were justified as Harvard
intercepted in the end zone on 3rd down.

Yale threatened once more with four minutes left, getting a first down at the 
eleven on a drive using a replacement for the ineffective first string QB. In
fact, Yale's best passing play of the game was on this drive, when the Elis ran
an option play reverse pass (the "pitch" was snagged by a reversing wide-out
who completed a past to a tight end fading to the far side), making a wide-out
the leading passer for Yale! 
On fourth and one at the two, disaster again struck as Yale fumbled. Harvard
was able to run the clock most of the way down.

All in all a good time was had by all. Play of the game was the Branford college
(Yale) slingshot of a Burrito through the East end goal post, from the stands 
even with the goal line. The excitement over this amazing shot caused me to join
in the joyous strains of --- Pierson sucks!

32,000 drunken rich kids, old folks rattling their jewelry, two expartiated
Illinois grads and a New Zealander at Soldiers Field. (a GREAT time, but you 
Ivies are crazy if you actually BELIEVE this could rival B10/SEC/ACC/SWC/ND/P10
FB, tradition or no)

Murph
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From: beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham)
Subject: Re: Michigan versus Champagne-Urbana HS (where's that???)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:54:01 GMT

Get it right!!!  Who's the one who should still be in high school???  The towns
where the University of Illinois is located is _*CHAMPAIGN*_-Urbana.  
					         ^^^^^^^^^

cham.pagne (sham pa-n') n. 1. orig., any of various wines produced in
Champagne, France.  2. a) now, any effervescent white wine made there or else-
where: regarded as a symbol of luxurious living  b) the typical color of such
wine; pale, tawny yellow or greenish yellow.

Cham.paign (sham pa_n') city in EC Illinois.  Home of the University of Illinois
who just tied the ex-number 3 ranked team in the nation... the Mighty Michigan
Wolvies.  Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YES!!!!!!!

Sure, we lost a few stupid games early in the year... like NorthW'n and Houston.
Then, Iowa beat us.  But I mean really, we beat Ohio State and tied Michigan!!!!
What other Big-10 team can say that right now!!!!!!!!!!!!


  			   	   --------------------------------------------
								  Jeff Beckham
						      beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
 					 	  Computer Science/Mathematics
                                    University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Can ANYBODY beat Washington????
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:47:53 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <168A89B7D.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com>, JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
> What?  Don't you know the answer?
> 
> Can they even win the Rose Bowl?

	Of course they will.  They're playing Michigan.  All Michigan can do
against ranked teams is go for the un-loss.

Brett
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