HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Mike Judson)
Newsgroups: misc.misc
Subject: Re: What heappened at 10:09 (Watch adds)
Date: 13 Jan 93 05:16:21 GMT
Reply-To: judson@watserv.ucr.edu

In article <7247@ac13.cs.nps.navy.mil> rpwhite@ac13.cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite)  
writes:
# Nick Susch writes:
# 
# |I have a question that has been bugging me for awhile, why are analog
# |watches in store catalogs always set to 10:09? I, at first, thought that it
# |was just because it looked good, but every single watch, no matter what
# |catalog you look in is like that. Any one know why?
# 
#   This is because the bomb dropped on Hiroshima detonated at 10:09 in
#   the morning with the consequence that all clocks and watches in the
#   city stopped at that moment. Since that time watches in catalogs
#   have been set at 10:09 to commemorate those who perished.
# 
# rp -- hope this helps.

Is it a coincidence that at 10:09 the two hands form equal angles from 12?

--
If you ever fall off the Sears Tower, just go real limp, because 
maybe you'll look like a dummy and people will try to catch you 
because, hey, free dummy.

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
Newsgroups: misc.misc,misc.wanted,misc.writing,news.admin.misc,news.admin
From: dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon)
Subject: Re: Add where you are to .sig file
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:35:22 GMT

In article <ELIZ.93Jan4175325@corpus-callosum.ai.mit.edu> eliz@ai.mit.edu (Elizabeth Willey) writes:
>Craig Silver writes:
>
>   ...I think it would be appropriate and
>   convenient to the readers of your articles to put your city,
>   province/state, and country of residence (work, study, or from
>   wherever you post) at the end of your articles or in your
>   signature file.
>
>Why?

Why not---I amended my .sig to this suggestion yesterday...  B^>

>What does this have to do with the reader's interpretation of the
>content of the posting?

Context.  If I ask for a fag (for example) and am from NY NY your
interpretation should be different by default than if I come from
London.  Likewise other parts of vocabulary and (eg) political
background, some crucial to understanding remarks made or avoiding
embarrassment.

>What does the location of the author (or at least his/her affiliation,
>which is not reliably related to the net address) be relevant?

As above.

>Why are the "From:" or "Reply-to:" net addresses, which give
>considerable information about the posting location, insufficient?

Because they are often wrong, or damaged in transit, especially through
mail/news gateways.  Anyway, if I happened to have either of d@hd.org
or dhd@exnet.com in the header instead of exnet.co.uk (and I zapped the
org:  line)---both valid for this very account---you would have no clue
geographically where I was; no more than if I called you (or you called
me) on a mobile phone.  Addresses may be unrelated to geography.

>If one desperately needs to know another's physical location, cannot one
>ask politely in private correspondence?

Why, if it no effort to mitigate the possible lack of context upfront?
My .sig is no longer than it was before taking up the above
suggestion.

Damon
-- 
Damon Hart-Davis        London, UK        Internet: dhd@exnet.co.uk, d@hd.org

Public-access UNIX (Suns), news and mail for UK#5 per month.  FIRST MONTH FREE.
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From: eluyten@rc1.vub.ac.be (Eric Luyten)
Newsgroups: misc.misc
Subject: Re: Joker '88 -- ticket to fortunes
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:13:28 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: world
Organization: Brussels Free Universities (VUB/ULB), Belgium

In misc.misc article <1018@rc1.vub.ac.be>,
   rdictus@vnet3.vub.ac.be (Roy Dictus) writes: 
>Joker '88 is ...

No more flames to the postmaster of that host please. It is not his job to screen
every contribution by one of his users before getting it out on the net.

And by now the author of the article should know that chain letters are best
kept away from USEnet (and humanity, for that matter).

Eric Luyten VUB/ULB Computing Centre.


Note followup redirect.
Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly)
Subject: Re: The Ugly and Vicious Place Chicago Has Become
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:20:46 GMT
Summary: Sorry, Patrick.

In article <93.01.04.1@eecs.nwu.edu>, ptownson@eecs.nwu.edu
(Patrick Townson) writes:
> People ask why do I (Patrick Townson) dislike Chicago so much?
> Actually, hate is a better word for it. I have lived here for almost
> half a century and seen a beautiful and very safe town disappear. We
> (my brother and wife live with me) have a three year old child in our
> home. How do we dare send him to the schools here?  

> The crime, filth and general degredation of this town must be
> witnessed to be believed...

While my heart goes out to Patrick for the abuses he and his family
have suffered, I nevertheless cringe at his pronouncement of this
town's worthlessness.  I mean, it's bad enough that lots of
Americans still equate us with Al Capone.  The truth is that Chicago
is not in the top 5 in crime per capita (though I can't remember
the actual rank--Patrick can surely supply such statistics), that
many neighborhoods have been and are being reclaimed from neglect and
disrepair, that there is a lot of vitality and hope, and that
it continues to attract creative people as one of the few large
cities in which housing is still affordable.  True, it's a lot more
dangerous than it was 50 years ago, but what city isn't?

               *** ***
Ken Perlow   ***** *****
05 Jan 93   ****** ******   16 Nivose An CCI
            *****   *****   gadfly@ihspc.att.com
             ** ** ** **
...L'AUDACE!   *** ***   TOUJOURS DE L'AUDACE!  ENCORE DE L'AUDACE!
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From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: misc.misc,misc.wanted,news.admin.misc,news.admin
Subject: Re: Add where you are to .sig file
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:35:49 GMT
Followup-To: misc.misc
Organization: negligable

In article <C0EBy4.3v7@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> drl@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (David R. Linn) writes:
>In article <377@apdnmi.idca.tds.philips.nl> talstra@idca.tds.philips.nl (louw talstra) writes:
>>In article <ELIZ.93Jan4175325@corpus-callosum.ai.mit.edu> eliz@ai.mit.edu (Elizabeth Willey) writes:
>>> What does the location of the author be relevant?
>>> ...
>>> If one desperately needs to know another's physical location, cannot one
>>> ask politely in private correspondence?
>>Sure, but knowing about the location may add to understanding the original
>>posting, or prevent misunderstanding if you wish.
>>
>
>This information is supposed to be in the Organization (or Organisation,
>if you prefer) header.  If it is not there, many news posting programs
>allow the user to override the default value.  Since there is already
>a standard place for this info, wouldn't be better to put it there?

Not necessarily.  "Organization" is for organization, and no one really
tells you that you're supposed to put geographical info there.  My org
header just has my company name.  I think that's rather common.

Maybe we could use a new header item: "Location:"?

Jeez.  If you don't want to put the info in your .sig, don't put
it in your .sig, but why all the fuss?

		-Richard Hartman
		hartman@ulogic.COM

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(P.S.: Location: Sunnyvale, California, USA)
From: ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear)
Newsgroups: misc.misc
Subject: Re: Language Censors
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:28:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Jan13.002824.4391
Organization: Home for the Terminally Infirm

In article <1993Jan12.194803.20802@cs.sfu.ca> jamie@cs.sfu.ca (Jamie Andrews) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.191544.15800@leland.Stanford.EDU> shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.) writes:
>>Ahem...Ms. Meizlish's email address is:
>> [address deleted]
>
>     And how do you expect us to use this information, Anne?

I think Anne Mitchell stated quite clearly, in a followup posting,
what she did with the information.  I may short circuit her initial
step, and give Ms. Meizlish my opinion of the value of teaching by
example, coaching, and encouragement, rather than by naked
intimidation.  I would like to think that you are capable of making
up your own mind what use, if any, you'll put the information to,
and are not in need of instruction from Anne.

>     By the way, I wonder if the Wall Street Journal's broad
>conception of "freedom of speech" extends to the reprinting of
>copyrighted articles from their paper.

If you seriously wonder that, perhaps it would be more appropriate to
ask the publisher of the Wall Street Journal, rather than posing
the question in a followup to Anne's posting.  She did not reprint
anything from the Journal.  If you do ask the publisher, please
share the answer with us.

>Or to hate mail, for that matter.

Hate mail?  Did anyone say or imply anything about hate mail?
Christopher Schmidt posted an article from the Journal.  He
neither said nor implied anything about hate mail.  Anne posted
an e-mail address factually, without editorial comment.  You
are the one who introduced the idea of hate mail?  Do you 
believe that all mail is necessarily hate mail?  Bizarre.
-- 
Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear              ekman@netcom.com
Home for the Terminally Infirm, Redwood City, California
Newsgroups: misc.misc
Subject: Re: prisoners?
From: <JPWJJ@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 7 Jan 1993 20:46:19 EST
 2203044@speedy.cs.pitt.edu><1993Jan4.194929.15206@dcatlas.dot.gov> <1993Jan6.040918.3125@fulcrum.oz.au>
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Steve has a valid point!
From: dfw@po.CWRU.Edu (David F. Wright)
Newsgroups: misc.misc
Subject: Find me a cheap motorcycle supply store
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:29:31 GMT
Reply-To: dfw@po.CWRU.Edu (David F. Wright)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


   Where in Northeastern Ohio can I find Discount motorcycle stuff?









HHHH_EEEEE_LLLL_PPPP      me....................
-- 
        David Wright                   Internet:dfw@po.cwru.ed
        Technician I- Tech. Services   Phone (216) 368-3779
        I.R.I.S Dept.
        Case Western Reserve University
Newsgroups: misc.misc,misc.wanted,news.admin.misc
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Add where you are to .sig file
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:27:31 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <9301071945.AA21253@sap-ag.de> Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de> writes:
>  for your son of rfc1036, if it's not too late, may i suggest that
>  the following paragraph be updated.
>
>2.2.8.  Organization
> ...
>
>  the new text might read:
>
>    It is also suggested to include the city, state, province, and
>    country for the benefit of those in other countries.

I'm ahead of you on this one.  My draft's discussion of Organization
contains:

	It is suggested that the Organization content
	mention geographical location (e.g. city and country)
	when it is not obvious from the organization's name.

I'm reluctant to suggest too much detail.  Somebody who has to reach
for an atlas to find out where Saskatoon is will probably have to reach
for one to find out where Saskatchewan is.  (For the ignorant :-), the
former is a city and the latter is a province.)
-- 
"God willing... we shall return."       | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
       -Gene Cernan, the Moon, Dec 1972 |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
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From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: misc.misc,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: What an Ugly and Vicious Place Chicago Has Become
Date: 11 Jan 1993 19:25:40 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


Gee, all Chicago needs is a visionary leader to come in and get things
organized.  Somebody like - well Al Capone comes to mind.
(Sorry, I'm just reading Wm. Shirer's autobiography in which he
returns to his old home town in 1925 and finds Al Capone firmly in
charge of everything.)
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Ya can talk all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!"
"No it aint!  But ya gotta know the territory!"
        Meredith Willson: "The Music Man"

Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: kussow@io.nosc.mil (Matt Kussow)
Subject: test
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:33:38 GMT

 little wasted bandwidth.
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From: rpwhite@ac13.cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite)
Newsgroups: misc.misc,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: What heappened at 10:09 (Watch adds)
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:06:22 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

Nick Susch writes:

|I have a question that has been bugging me for awhile, why are analog
|watches in store catalogs always set to 10:09? I, at first, thought that it
|was just because it looked good, but every single watch, no matter what
|catalog you look in is like that. Any one know why?

  This is because the bomb dropped on Hiroshima detonated at 10:09 in
  the morning with the consequence that all clocks and watches in the
  city stopped at that moment. Since that time watches in catalogs
  have been set at 10:09 to commemorate those who perished.

rp -- hope this helps.
Newsgroups: misc.misc,misc.wanted,misc.writing,news.admin.misc,news.admin
From: ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl)
Subject: Re: Add where you are to .sig file
Followup-To: misc.writing
Summary: why not?
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:00:21 GMT

In article <ELIZ.93Jan4175325@corpus-callosum.ai.mit.edu>, eliz@ai.mit.edu (Elizabeth Willey) writes:
> Craig Silver writes:
> 
>    ...I think it would be appropriate and
>    convenient to the readers of your articles to put your city,
>    province/state, and country of residence (work, study, or from
>    wherever you post) at the end of your articles or in your
>    signature file.
> 
> Why?
> 
> What does this have to do with the reader's interpretation of the
> content of the posting?
> 
> What does the location of the author (or at least his/her affiliation,
> which is not reliably related to the net address) be relevant?
> 
> Why are the "From:" or "Reply-to:" net addresses, which give
> considerable information about the posting location, insufficient?
> 
> If one desperately needs to know another's physical location, cannot one
> ask politely in private correspondence?
> 
> 
> Elizabeth Willey


Okay, I'll jump into this since I agree with the original poster.
One reason is that laws, business practices, etc. vary in different
parts of the world.

The fact that someone says, something works such-and-so doesn't help
much unless you know where they are located.

Since I'm responding to this in misc.writing, let me give an 
example:  If someone says that the magazine's he/she has dealt with
always do or want [whatever] -- it would be nice to know if these
are U.S. magazines, British magazines, or Australian magazines.
I've seen too many posts in various newsgroups that assume that
either a previous poster or the entire audience is located in the
U.S.  These assumptions can lead to a variety of misunderstandings.

-- Ernest
-- 
"My other computers are Nikon N8008s and an SB25." -- Ernest H. Robl
Ernest H. Robl (ehr@ecsvax)  Durham, NC, USA   +1  919   286-3845
                                         FAX:  +1  919   286-1696
This .signature meets plate C specifications (for rec.railroad fans)
From: petel@sequent.com (Pete Lancashire)
Newsgroups: misc.misc
Subject: Re: The Ugly and Vicious Place Chicago Has Become
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:53:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1993Jan7.015342.5104
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly) writes:

>In article <93.01.04.1@eecs.nwu.edu>, ptownson@eecs.nwu.edu
>(Patrick Townson) writes:
>> People ask why do I (Patrick Townson) dislike Chicago so much?
>> Actually, hate is a better word for it. I have lived here for almost
>it continues to attract creative people as one of the few large
>cities in which housing is still affordable.  True, it's a lot more
>dangerous than it was 50 years ago, but what city isn't?

Yes, what city isn't, but does that make it any better for someone
with a 3 year old. I tried 'getting away' from the crime of Phila.
and came to a town close Portland, OR, remember Portland, once got
one those best places to live things. Now we got car-jackings, skin
heads shooting it out, etc. etc. The only thing that keeps it away
from where I live is that I think it is still red-neck enough (everyone
has a gun and the area has a reputation for people defending themselves)
AND DO I hate red-necks!!!!

So what does this have to do with Chicago, don't know but if I can't
walk at night in 'cute-little-old' Portland, I don't think I would
feel 'happy' in Chicago.

-pete
Pete Lancashire
petel@sequent.com
Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: mlc@iberia.cca.cr.rockwell.com ("Mike Cook, x2792, 124-211")
Subject: RE: Apple Imagewriter I Fails to Print on Backstroke
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:05:59 CST
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          13:05:59 CST
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X-Cc: mlc@iberia.cca.cr.rockwell.com

Last year I had the same problem with my Imagewriter I.  The return
line printing was often very light.  It didn't happen on every line,
but enough to mess up printouts.  I, too, looked for a dip switch
setting or escape command to make the printer print only
left-to-right, but without success.

I described the problem to someone at my local Apple dealer.  He
thought it was a bad ribbon, so he gave me a new ribbon cartridge. 
That helped, but only for a short time.

I took the Imagewriter in for service and described the problem to the
service technician.  He said it was most likely one of two things: (1)
the printer just needed cleaning and adjustment, or (2) there was wear
on the gears that move the ribbon past the printhead.

After cleaning, there was no change.  He then replace the set of two
gears that are under the platform on which the ribbon cartridge rests. 
That did it.  The gears are about $10.  He easily replaced them and I
haven't had trouble since.  So the problem is indeed wear after all
these years.

If you do find a switch setting or escape code, I would still like to
know.  I have noticed problems with sub- and super-scripts when
printing Appleworks documents.  This problem existed even when my
Imagewriter was new.  After printing a sub- or super-script, the
platen isn't always returned properly to the line it was printing, and
the rest of the printed line is not aligned nicely with the first part
of the line.

--

Michael Cook
Internet: MLC@IBERIA.CCA.CR.ROCKWELL.COM
These are not the opinions of my employer.

RE: net.wisdom - "It's not what we don't know that hurts,
                  it's what we know that ain't so." -- Will Rogers
Newsgroups: misc.misc,misc.wanted,news.admin.misc
From: davet@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Dave Tutelman)
Subject: Re: Add where you are to .sig file
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs - Lincroft, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:53:17 GMT

In article <rdippold.726253127@qualcom> rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>
>davet@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Dave Tutelman) (that's me) writes:
>>>considerable information about the posting location, insufficient?
>
>The "From:"s are inadequate, but a large number of posts have a valid
>"Organization:" line in them.  For instance:
>
>>|    Physical - AT&T Bell Labs  -  Lincroft, NJ          07738
>We already know that, it's in your header:
>  Organization: AT&T Bell Labs - Lincroft, NJ
>
>It's in mine as well, and lots of others.  Now, some news readers will
>hide this info unless you hit the "Show full header" key, but if you
>really need to know, what's a keystroke?

If good header lines were universal, you'd be right.  But just take a look
at the prevalence of non-informative organization lines.  I bet it's over
10%.

>Those with a good "Organization:" line should be covered,
>and those without one might want to drop a hint to their organization.

As I noted in my post, there ISN'T a good organization line for many
AT&T employees, assuming the organization line is a default for the
machine.  That's because MOST of us read the net on a set of servers
in Ohio, where most of us are NOT located.

The reason my organization line is informative is that I learned enough
about the software to customize the line to MY organization and location,
for when I post a message.  That does nothing for others on the same
machine.  While this isn't at all difficult, it's neither intuitive
nor trivial, and most people don't bother.

I also did things to make sure I have an informative name line.  So, yes,
my signature file is superfluous for most purposes, unless I want to make
my phone number or zip code avaliable.  (I usually don't use
it, and it's not set up to attach automatically.)

Dave
Newsgroups: misc.misc
From: cschmidt@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Christopher Schmidt)
Subject: Gore Vidal On Political Correctness
Reply-To: cschmidt@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Christopher Schmidt)
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:26:52 GMT

             GORE VIDAL ON POLITICAL CORRECTNESS

The following paragraph is from Gore Vidal's article in the
11-JAN-1993 issue of Newsweek, page 31:

    The latest managerial wit has been to encourage -- by
    deploring -- something called "political correctness,"
    this decade's Silly Putty or Hula Hoop. Could anything
    be better calcualted to divert everyone from what the
    management is up to in recently appropriating, say, $3.8
    billion for SDI than to pit sex against sex, race
    against race, religion against religion? With everyone
    in arms against everyone else, no one will have the time
    to take arms against the ruinously expensive empire that
    Mr. Clinton and the unattractively named baby boomers
    have inherited.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:59:10 EST
From: Greg Spath <GKS101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.misc
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.pave.the.earth

In article <1993Jan2.050142.12527@netcom.com>, solovay@netcom.com (Andrew
Solovay) says:
>
>Perhaps the opposing view ought to have a forum as well.
>
>Besides Congress, I mean.
>--
>Andrew Solovay


There is.  It's called alt.destroy.the.earth
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From: Phil.Powell@launchpad.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Newsgroups: misc.misc,misc.wanted,comp.os.misc
Subject: Please Help - SprintNet
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:11:26 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service


I am trying to connect to my account here from the Washington DC area. I
have local SprinteNet numbers but don't know how to connect to my account
here from there.. otherwise I cannot connect here until Jan. 19..

Can you help?

Thanx

Phil

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Newsgroups: misc.misc,misc.wanted,misc.writing,news.admin.misc,news.admin