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From: basturk@nebin.cica.fr (Erol Basturk)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Bates and myopia treatment
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:05:08 GMT
Organization: Telecom Paris, France

In article <1685EC25B.M20614@mwvm.mitre.org>, M20614@mwvm.mitre.org (Hugh Pritchard) writes:

|> The reason one is myopic is that the focal length of the eye is too
|> short for the eye.  This could be because the eyeball is too long front-
|> to-back, or because the cornea is too sharply curved.

Refering to Guy Duchemin in his book, "Vaincre la myopie", mechanical reasons for
myopia seem to originate from different sources.
The fact that the eyeball is too long is not true all the time since 
accurate mesurements have shown that some myopic eyeball are longer than, equal to
or shorter than the standard value. 

The same can be said about cornea since some are more, equally or less curved than
standard value.

One can mention also the constant tension in eyelens muscles to be one possible
source of myopic sight.

Whatever maybe the reason, one fact remains. Many books have been published
and all of them say that it gives results.

The ways and methods developped by the writers are mainly the same, with
slight specialities for each "eye treatment" school. All of them use the
removal of stress as a basic condition for eyesight improvement. The origin
of the stress can be tensions in the neck (bad blood circulation in eyeball),
psychological stress due to fear and emotional insecurity. Some of these
writers use diet to solve the problem, some others yoga technics for relaxation.

Whatever maybe the technics and studies made, it seems in a way logical that if
myopia or any eye problem appears, there is surely a reason, and if so, a mean
of curing this "disease" with appropriate methods.

Of course, eye sight problem is quite a difficult subject even if the mechanical
reason (shorter focal length) is know since long. To treat the myopia as an
extern problem leads to extern solutions such as lens correction and surgery.
While taken as intern problems (emotional tensions and psychological causes) leads
to methods of global cure of the myopic person, which is what I call the
"new way" of considering eyesight problems.

Furthermore, I wonder why Quebec Institut of Visiology or American Myopic 
Association are presenting and using these technics if they are not 
efficient, refering to current ideas on the subject.

I would be mostly interested in opthalmologists and optometrists opinions on
that subject. 

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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Depression: Nutritional treatments
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:44:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep9.164410.5128
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <88315@netnews.upenn.edu> white@cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Janet White) writes:
>Does anyone have any information/experience re: nutritional treatments
>for depression? Patricia Slagle, M.D., a psychiatrist at UCLA, wrote
>a book called "The Way Up From Down" dealing with a treatment approach
>for depression using amino acids and vitamin/mineral supplements
>instead of antidepressant medications. It sounds very interesting
>and potentially helpful.

The woman should lose her license.

>Any comments on an amino acid angle in
>the treatment of depression (specifically, tryptophan and tyrosine)?

There has been a lot of recurrent interest in the use of tryptophan
as an antidepressant, but the results so far have been equivocal.
It is difficult to differentiate the antidepressant effects of the
drug from placebo treatment, and its effects are inferior to established
medications.  I don't think there's much evidence that tyrosine works
as an antidepressant.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Need info on TENS electro
From: Kurt.Helgerson@f22.n2201.z1.fidonet.org (Kurt Helgerson)
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:50:39 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2201/22 - AAPSnet, Kalamazoo MI

-> From: liberato@dri.com (Jimmy Liberato)
-> My questions are:
->
-> What is dangerous about this technology that would restrict its
-> availability?

Your family doctor can prescribe you one.  Most states restrict
Chiropractors from prescribing, I believe.



 

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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas Rand)
Subject: Re: Phobias, NLP, etc (was Re: Xanax)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
	<1992Sep12.141944.3901@newstand.syr.edu> <t3ynlgq.strnlght@netcom.com>
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:05:10

In article <t3ynlgq.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:

   Mark Kline's use of the phrase "Like shit it does" in a serious discussion
   disqualifies him from any further serious consideration by me. Others
   may disagree, and we will doubtless see a piece of sophistry posted
   here which tries to make me wrong for this post, but as far as I
   am concerned he is not worth further attention in this discussion.
   He has juvenilized himself.

Is juvenilized a word?  I doubt it.  That you would dismiss someone
due to their use of a profanity doesn't wash.  Nor should you consider
the net to be a place of high learning and clean language.  IMHO, I think
you're making an excuse.
--
Douglas S. Rand <drand@osf.org>		OSF/Motif Dev.
Snail:         11 Cambridge Center,  Cambridge,  MA  02142
Disclaimer:    I don't know if OSF agrees with me... let's vote on it.
Amateur Radio: KC1KJ
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Xanax
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:14:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Sep9.191457.1118
Organization: Western Washington University

strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:


>In response to a comment about NLP 15 minute phobia cures, Steve Dyer
>posts a flame without evidence.

>Can he provide evidence that there have not been such cures? I personally

	Har har har.  You've got that backwards pal.  One doesn't "provide
evidence that there has not been X".   The burden of proof is on you that
there has been X.  Sorry.

>witnessed one myself, and Tony Robbins used to go around the country
>challenging therapists to bring him their worst patients. He was famous
>for the 15-minute cures, and to date has not been discredited.

	Would that be late night "infomercial" Tony Robbins?  If so,
then you are quite welcome to another har har har.

>Let's keep this discussion on a factual level; Dyer's polemics
>don't add to a serious discussion.

Jim Del Vecchio.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: seeger@oceania.com (Seeger Fisher)
Subject: Re: Acne.  What can be done?
Reply-To: seeger@oceania.com
Organization: Oceania Health Care Systems
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:51:45 GMT

In article <5285@krafla.rhi.hi.is> karlth@rhi.hi.is (Karl Thoroddsen) writes:
> I have had a acne problem for 8 years, I'm 23 now, and think that nearly
> a decade would be enough to satisfy whoever put this curse on me.  
> 
> Should I stay off sweets?  

Yes, and fried foods, too. (helped a lot for me).

> Eat fruits?  Reduce my in-front-of-monitor worktime?
> Try Sodium-X2341FG?  Wash my face with soap?  Dance naked ontop of Cray
> computer singing 'Off, Off, Off, you vermins'?
> 

Get a dematologist to perscribe some Cleocin-T (clendomycin?) and some Desquam  
wash. This stuff works GREAT!! I had the nasty vermin for quite some time, the  
Cleocin-T 1% gel is incredible!!

Seeger

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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: goguenm@bach.udel.edu (Matthew L Goguen)
Subject: Re: How does Ritalin work?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:30:10 GMT

  One Major caution with Ritalin, Check the drug interactions
very carefully!  Ritalin can cross react with decongestants and over
the counter allergy medications.  I found out quite by accident and
I don't ever want to find out that way again. Drixoral and Ritalin
are not a pleasent combination for me.  My heart goes off like a 
rocket.  Please if you are giving your children Ritalin or are
taking it double check every thing you are told, not every one
is as up to date as they should be on Ritalin and ADD/ADHD.
Matt Goguen

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From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Prevalence of Hyperobesity
Date: 14 Sep 92 03:28:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: omen.1992Sep14.032802.4725
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest

In article <1992Sep10.175826.9605@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.120146.18318@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>>"There was a strikingly high percentage of very obese women (>50%
>>overweight) in the USA (8% or the population) as compared to the
>>two European countries (2% in France and 3% in the UK)."
>>
>>The study did not find any link between egg or meat consumption and obesity.
>>
>>As mentioned previously, fat consumption is higher in France
>>than in the US, slightly lower in the UK.
>>
>>Carbohydrate consumption is much higher in the US.
>
>Are we comparing apples and oranges again?  Is carbo consumption higher
>in the US for the general population or is it higher for very obese women?

I've mentioned a number of studies in Adiposity 101 which show
the obese generally eat the same or less than normals.  The
macronutrient composition of their diets are no different except
for a very slight increase in the portion of energy from fat, a
normal reaction to starvation.  (Obesity: 7% in France, 15% in US)

Information on the diet macronutrient composition consumed by
the hyperobese (2% in France, 8% in US) as they grew up is
limited.  A Minnesota Heart Health Program study did not find
any relationship between energy intake, fat intake, or exercise
to explain the increase in obesity seen between 1980 and 1987.
Must have been President Reagan's fault :-)

Americans seem to be dieting more, eating less fat, and getting fatter.
Or else the gene pool is going to hellXXXXpot.

>
>Also, I'd really appreciate an address for the Journal you've mentioned.
> 
If you have to ask for the mailing address, you can't afford it.
Unless you have some heavy duty funding on tap, you'd be better
off to scope out the parking situation near your local med
school library.  You will need a library for the back issues
containing the papers Adiposity 101 is based on.

-- 
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Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ
  Omen Technology Inc    "The High Reliability Software"
17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD   Portland OR 97231   503-621-3406
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: "Incompetent doctors"
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:38:45 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Sep9.04126.17398@ms.uky.edu> jrt@omega.kcr.uky.edu (J. Randall Thompson) writes:
>People don't realize that many VA Hospitals are closely
>associated with teaching insitutions. Here, most of the faculty rotate 
>through both the VA and University, so depending on when you are 
>admitted, you could have the same physicians at both institutions.
>It is humorous to have patients tell me how they would never go to
>the VA because of the doctors when I could be the physician seeing
>them there, too.
>

Same thing happens to me all the time.  I've transferred several
patients to myself up there because they were paying to see me
out of their own pocket and didn't realize they could see me
for free at the VA.  Those with insurance usually would prefer
not to go to the VA because the waiting time and the amount
of time I can spend with them are much worse at the VA.  I
usually see 6-8 patients per half day at the university and
15-25 per half day at the VA.  Often the veterans have to
wait 3 hours to see me there.  They book up to 90 patients
for 3 attendings and 3 residents to see in one afternoon.
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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: mvp@hsv3.lsil.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Re: Part III,  Doctors Secretly Inject Cancer Cells Into Patients
Keywords: shades of Dr. Mengele,  human medical experimentation
Organization: LSI Logic/Headland Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:03:57 GMT

In article <BuF9Dr.Dyz@world.std.com> jelia@world.std.com (Joe J Elia) writes:
>I've read all installments of this so far, and now in Part 3 I learn
>that these injections took place in the 1950s, before the advent of the
>Institutional Review Boards, before the publication of "Research and the
>Individual" by Henry Beecher, and much else to protect people against
>loosely wired biomedical scientists.
>
>How many more parts are forthcoming? And does the poster own an
>asbestos suit?

Just about all you need to know about these postings is "Pacifica
Radio".  Fortunately, unlike the antiquity of these charges, that was
right there on the beginning of the article.  If you're familiar with
"Pacifica Radio", that tells you from the outset that you're reading
"Weakly World News Does Berserkley."  I.e., if there is any truth to
the matter at all (a problematic question at best), that tiny kernel of
truth is so hyped, sensationalized, and twisted to fit a political
agenda that it's virtually unrecognizable in the heap of screaming
paranoid verbiage.

Not that they might not score a hit now and then.  But I'd put their
reliability somewhere between Lyndon LaRouche and Mae Brussel.
Strictly for amusement value.
-- 
Mike Van Pelt                  An oxymoron, I think. The reality of Usenet."
LSI Logic/Headland Products             --  Dan'l Danehy-Oakes                    
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mvp@hsv3.lsil.com
From: Josh.Williams@f1020.n391.z1.FidoNet.Org (Josh Williams)
Sender: UUCP@p0.f1060.n391.z1.FidoNet.Org
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Genetic Engineering,  info needed..
Date: 09 Sep 92 16:22:00 EST

This is a field that I am interested in too.  Unfortunately I am a 
business major by practical neccessity and so will not be taking 
many classes at the University of Arkansas that are relative to the 
subject.  I noticed that you said on issue was copyrighting plants, 
well, animals have been copyrighted too.  Most animals that are 
copyrighter are engineered without reproductive ability and can only 
be created at parent company labs.  I dont know if the proces 
includes cloning or artificial insemination of an apropriate egg. 
However a brother of a friend of mine bought such an animal for $20. 
 It came as an egg inside of a completely sealed plastic box.  The 
box contained some water and patented solutions and was never meant 
to be opened.  The box was an independent, sealed environment meant 
to be lived in only by the copyrighted lifeform.  The egg eventually 
hatched and grew over a couple of months into something rather like 
a frog (but with a tail, only two legs, and scales).  The creature 
lived inits sealed environment for longer than a year.  Then the 
owner moved from here (Fayetteville) to Dallas and took the still 
living creature with him.  I don't know if it is still alive.
        Genetic engineering has great potential and there are many 
interesting facets to it, Im sure you will enjoy your research.
        And if you are interested, I have an interesting theory that 
I wonder if you might reproduce for me by using the assumptiuons I 
did.  First, understand fully the thoery of evolution (especially 
occurance of mutations and natural selection) and then describe what 
the long term impact of madical science (sans genetic engineering) 
might be on the human gene pool.
  Looking forward to your reply,
     Joshua Williams
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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: arkell@swanee.ee.uwa.edu.au (Arkell Rasiah)
Subject: Need EEG/EMG/ECG data acquisiton systems
Summary: Need EEG data acquisition systems
Keywords: EEG/EMG/ECG
Organization: Elec Eng, Univ of Western Australia
Date:  9 Sep 92 09:40:10 GMT

Hi everybody,
	Does anyone know where I could get EEG/EMG/ECG data either publicly or commercially (eg. on CDROM etc.), or of any available data acquisition systems.

Regards Arkell
arkell@swanee.ee.uwa.edu.au
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: Prevalence of Hyperobesity
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 12:32:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.041320.28832@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.032802.4725@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>>I've mentioned a number of studies in Adiposity 101 which show
>>the obese generally eat the same or less than normals.
>
>So tell us, Chuck: what do you eat in a day?  Have you ever made a food
>diary?  You don't really expect me to believe you when you say that you
>eat no more than a 150 lb. man.  If you did, you'd lose weight, or in
>your words, "starve" <snort>, because it costs energy to carry all that
>weight around.

Steve, what's come over you?  You usually make informative
postings.  Why then this snively personal attack which is
completely devoid of useful information, not to mention
unprofessional?


>Earlier, you have quoted studies that obese eat no more _per pound of body
>mass_, which is a really quite different.  Also, people who are gaining

What I wrote was:

        In distinction to the commonly accepted stereotype,
        research shows that the obese do not eat more per pound
        than their lean counterparts.

I wrote it that way on the fear that otherwise some idiot would start
comparing an infant's energy input with an adult's, or accuse me of
doing the same.  That sentence does not specify lean mass or total mass.

Apparently Steve never bothered to read the papers cited in Adiposity
101, or he would have known that the comparisons were not weighted by
body mass.  Just because diet evangelists tweek their data to suppress
a linkage between diet cycling and adverse health effects doesn't mean
everyone tweeks their data.

>weight, as opposed to those lucky ones who have reached their "setpoint",
>aren't exactly extracting this extra body mass out of thin air; presumably,
>they're eating even more.

What's being plucked out of thin air is Steve's presumption.
Steve offers no studies to back up his presumption.

>>macronutrient composition of their diets are no different except
>>for a very slight increase in the portion of energy from fat, a
>>normal reaction to starvation.  (Obesity: 7% in France, 15% in US)
>
>No, a normal way of gaining weight.  If a 500 kcal excess per day
>can cause weight gain of a pound a week, that's 50 lbs. a year.

I was referring to studies showing obese obtaining a slightly higher
portion of energy from fat, but less energy overall.

-- 
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Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ
  Omen Technology Inc    "The High Reliability Software"
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From: liny@sun16.scri.fsu.edu (Nemo)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Wear on knee joints
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:29:29 GMT
Reply-To: lin@ray.met.fsu.edu

Will the "articular cartilage" (I just learned the phrase from my "Family
Medical Reference Book" last night) wear out eventually just from normal 
use?  By "normal use" I mean just walking and other low-impact activities,
no jogging, playing football, etc..  In other words, are our knee joints
like automobile tires, only good for XX,000 miles of normal use, like walking?

OK, here's my problem ... I'm 28, not overweight, no health problems, and 
until recently exercised little, except walking for an average of 
0.5-1 mi/day.  Since my early 20's I noticed that I felt some discomfort
(not exactly pain, more like swelling, maybe) at my knees when I did 
a lot of walking/standing or when I stay up late (doing just desk work).  
The discomfort always disappeared after a good night's rest, so I thought 
it was normal.  I started attending low-impact aerobics and step exercise
classes 5 months ago, about 3-4 times/week.  Don't think I put much stress
on my knees, but several days ago I started to feel some discomfort again,
and this time it hasn't gone away after resting.  Is this a normal thing 
that'll pass or am I wearing my knee joints out?

Any ideas how to maximize the lifespan of all our joints?  I just want to
try make everything stay in good working order during my lifetime.  
Thanks for any advice!
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: Weight loss => arthritis?
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 06:04:23 GMT

In article <18r1b2INNi5q@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> kjell@cse.ucsc.edu (Kjell Post) writes:
>
>About a year ago I lost 60 lbs over a period of a few months.
>My current weight is now 180 lbs which is considered normal for my frame.
>But now I'm experiencing arthritis-like symptoms: tender feet, swollen
>toes and fingers etc.  

Diet side effects such as these have been reported in the literature.

>Can this possibly have something to do with the release of toxins
>from fat cells?  

Fat cells are thought to release substances such as Lipo Protein Lipase
when depleted.  These substances seem to be related to the weight regain
seem by most dieters, but calling them "toxins" may be stretching it.

-- 
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX          ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf 
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ
  Omen Technology Inc    "The High Reliability Software"
17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD   Portland OR 97231   503-621-3406
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: sci.med
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 1992 11:01:08 -0400 
From: Sean McLinden <sean+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Rising Medical Costs. 


One point worthy of mention is the fact that all of the focus on hospital
costs vis a vis physician reimbursement and decision-making fails to consider
the fact operating margins for hospitals are quite small. Competition and
the need to demonstrate quality has resulted in declining average lengths of
stay for many hospitals as well as adjusted costs per bed. But at some point,
the hospital can do little to decrease their operating expenses.

The costs of medical supplies, right now, is exhorbitant and, in many cases,
unreasonable. Everyone, not just the doctors, not just the hospitals, has
profited from the old economies of health care. Until and unless the cost
of supplies, medications, etc., is reduced, there is not a whole lot more
to be squeezed out of the system.

Sean McLinden