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From: hack@arabia.uucp (Edmund Hack)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Upcoming HP Launches in TX
Date: 11 Sep 1992 20:18:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lockheed ESC, Houston


There are two waivered HP launches coming up in Texas. On Sept 20 at
Bomber Field, near Monaville TX, the NASA Houston Rocket Club and the
Houston Tripoli Prefect are hosting a 1 day launch with a 5000 ft MSL
waivered launch. Total impulse limited to 640 NS. Bomber Field is 35
miles NW of Houston and is a large deluxe site for RC flying. I can
supply more details if needed. $5 range fee, $3 to park. On site
concessions, covered viewing area, bathrooms.

On Oct 10 and 11, 1992 the new San Antonio Tripoli Prefect is having a
launch waivered to 15000 ft MSL. This is on a large peanut farm 70 miles
from San Antonio.  I should be getting a flyer on it next week and can
send details to those interested. $5 range fee, portacan on site. Hotel
rooms nearby at $45 to $48 / night. This should be a great site from a
set of photos I saw. I am planning to attend this launch and get some
level of HPR certification.

One or two dealers with Rocketflite, ISP and Aerotech motors are
expected at each launch.

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Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu
Subject: Re: Boosted Arcas Update
Organization: U of M Hospitals
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:22:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.131357.6426@cbfsb.cb.att.com> hrbob@ixstar.ih.att.com
(R.E. Wiersbe) writes:
>I finally got the Prang Film from Bob Kaplow and had a chance to check it out.
>Most of the tape is of TV coverage of model rocket launches at the Goddard
>Space Center during the 80's. The Boosted Arcas is in there twice, there's a
>long segment on the Last Aerobee Flight, and a lot of mishaps and successful
>launches from NASA. I would recommend the Last Aerobee Flight for anyone
>interested in scale, you get to see the nuts and bolts of it! I think the
>interesting stuff would fit on a 30 minute tape, the whole thing needs about
>2 hours.
>
>Now for the problem. The slow motion Boosted Arcas portion jitters a lot and
>my first attempt at copying was a failure. However, there is someone in our
>club that does have some video experience (and equipment) and I plan to talk
>with him this weekend. 
>

HUVARS has a VHS tape of one of the slow motion camera angles of this prang. 
It's in pretty good shape but I don't know how many gererations old it is. 
Your welcome to it if it will help.  	

Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Astro-(disposable)-cam
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:51:47 GMT

shoppa@almach.caltech.edu (TIM SHOPPA) writes:
: 
: Playing with one of the disposables in my desk drawer, I have just found that
: by holding down the fire button while advancing the film that these
: cameras do have a "continuous firing" mode!  (The ones I happen to have here
: with me are all Kodak Panoramics.)  They have a built in counter which limits
: them to 12 frames, but by removing the counter/cam disk on which the numbers are
: displayed, I can get as many exposures as there are in the roll of film.  All
: I have to do is hold down the shutter button and advance the film to get as
: many exposures as I want!  And it looks like the wind rate can easily be
: above 2 frames a second!  This is great!  Now all I need is to find the
: mechanism to wind the film, maybe a disassembled windup toy car will do.

The only problem would be getting the film to stop moving, in the transport,
before the shutter is released. I suspect that the mechanism just keeps track
of how much film is advanced, and removes the shutter block when enough has
been wound to get an unexposed portion in position. Does the mechanism stop
film motion before the shutter is released? 

Bill
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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: Astrocam 110 Film
Keywords: 400 speed 110 film still being produced?
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:04:06 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <Bu9u4v.J89@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
> In article <561@rml.UUCP> jack@rml.UUCP (jack hagerty) writes:
> 
> >Even if it did disappear, I wouldn't sweat it. I've had good luck flying 
> >my Astrocam using 200 ASA film made by 3M (sold through K-Mart and other
> >"house" brands). I just put the instructions "Please push one stop, camera 
> >was set to 400" on the envelope and it's worked every time.

> How much extra do they charge for pushing? 

Ever seen the sign that ends with, "DUMB LOOKS ARE STILL FREE"?

In my neck of the woods, they don't charge anything, because they have no
idea what you are talking about, and therefore don't DO anything special.
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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: Dallas Area Competition
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:37:33 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Sep14.225702.22421@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
> : I hope this means they will be sanctioning it as a Regional Sport Launch,
> : so that people can do multiple steps in the same day.
> 
> Ah, has this been approved? Has the board decided to allow multiple
> steps to be submitted for only one fee - instead of having to pay for
> each step demonstrated on the same day?

Yes, this has been approved.  (Remember who posted it!)

The fee is to cover the overhead involved in the issuance of the license.
One license upgrade, one fee.

A manufacturer, even one on-site, can legally sell you HP engines only if 
you have been certified by a bona fide research organization.  A Director 
of a sanctioned event is an authorized agent of the NAR for the purpose of 
granting this certification.  (Don't confuse witnessing with granting -- 
any Senior member can witness.)
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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: Insuring your events
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:30:16 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <Bu355B.Eux@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
> In article <6171@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
> 
> >My advice is for you to contact Sport Flyers' Association.  They WILL
> >cover your events.  AMA is no longer the only game in town, and if
> >their service is anal-retentive, go elsewhere.  Contact Doug Pratt
> >(76703.3041@compuserve.com) for more information.
> 
> Not if you happen to fly control-line. The SFA, in its infinite wisdom,
> decided that C/L in any form was "too dangerous" and doesn't cover it. 
> So even if you fly mostly R/C and fly that Sig Banshee once a year, don't
> join the SFA!

Doug responds, "SFA said no such thing."

The major difference between SFA and AMA insurance is that SFA is a 
"regulated carrier."  That means they have to play by the commercial rules.
(For example, if you are insured with SFA and AMA, and have an accident,
SFA insurance MUST pay FIRST.  The law requires it.)

SFA had to get its underwriting on the commercial market.  To get this
underwriting, you have to show the underwriters statistics on how risky
the activity is (e.g., what claims have occurred in the past).  Obviously,
the AMA was not going to share its claims data with SFA, so SFA had to get
it elsewhere.  For R/C, they contacted the manufacturers of R/C equipment
and got data from them on what they were paying for product liability 
insurance, and talked with their insurers for risk data.  When they tried
to do the same thing for C/L, they found that no manufacturer had C/L
as a significant enough portion of his overall business that any useful
data was available in this fashion.  For this reason, they were unable to
find an underwriter for the C/L portion of the hobby.  However, they are
in the process of collecting their OWN statistics on C/L from current
activity, with the intent of being able to offer insurance for it in 
the future.
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From: jack@rml.UUCP (jack hagerty)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: Astro-(disposable)-cam
Date: 13 Sep 92 05:25:19 GMT
Reply-To: jack@rml.UUCP (jack hagerty)
Organization: Robotic Midwives, Ltd.

In article <12SEP199210232795@erin.caltech.edu> shoppa@erin.caltech.edu (TIM SHOPPA) writes:
>Hmm.  More complex than what I had originally envisioned.  I'm a nuclear
>theorist, not a mechanical engineer (to mangle Dr. McCoy's famous line 
>from Star Trek) so I'll try it the simple way first.  If you can come up
>with some definite plans for such a mechanism, let me know, and I'll try
>to make it with my admittedly limited machine shop skills.  

You could try using a segmented gear. I'm not sure what the film advance
mechaninsm is like in a disposable, but if there is any possibility of 
driving it with a gear, then use one that has teeth on only part of it's 
perimiter. Put the shutter-tripping lever on the "blank" part of the gear 
and you'll have a primitive cam that will advance the film during part 
of its revolution then trip the shutter on the other; all with continuous
(not intermitent or recipricating) motor movement.

>With a mechanism like this, we would have a mini disposable movie camera, if
>we had enough film and advanced it across quickly enough!

Well, there's a reason movie camera supply spools are 4" to 10" across!
Not only that, but you're skirting dagerously close to Geneva mechanisms
here :-)

- Jack


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From: <Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu>  (Roger Wilfong)
Subject: Re: Nike v.s. Mosquito
Organization: UofM Hospitals
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:45:00 GMT

In Article <BuMnBF.Kq2@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> "ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)" says:
> 
> 
> (btw theres a picture of a scale Saturn 1B in there.. rocket looks
> gorgeous, but is that _snow_ in the backgroud? Oh well, I suppose 
> you can't demand scale surroundings too?  9-)  )
> 
Yup.  That's snow.  There was coverage of that model in recent issues of both
AmSpac and HPR.  The model is now on display at a museum on the west coas
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: hrbob@ixstar.ih.att.com (R.E. Wiersbe)
Subject: Working SRB's - Take 2
Originator: news@cbnewsb.cb.att.com
Keywords: SRB's, boosters
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:34:23 GMT

A couple of months ago I asked if anyone had any experience building models
with working SRB's, that is, strap on boosters that actually separate and have
their own recovery system. I didn't get any responses, so it's either not been
done (not likely) or the posting got lost in the flood about the DOT.

If anyone's done this, I'm curious to know how you solved the problems of
keeping them on during boost, separating cleanly, and what precautions you took
in the event of a misfire/cato. I'm looking at modifying a Titan III-E and am
open to suggestions. Thanks!

Bob Wiersbe	NAR# 44588	hrbob@ihlpb.att.com
From: Jim Cook <J.Cook@ENS.Prime.COM>
Subject: Re: Boosted Arcas Update
Reply-To: <J.Cook@ENS.Prime.COM>
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:08:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.131357.6426@cbfsb.cb.att.com> hrbob@ixstar.ih.att.com
(R.E. Wiersbe) writes:
>I finally got the Prang Film from Bob Kaplow and had a chance to check it out.

>Now for the problem. The slow motion Boosted Arcas portion jitters a lot and
>my first attempt at copying was a failure. However, there is someone in our
>club that does have some video experience (and equipment) and I plan to talk
>with him this weekend. 

You probably should use a time base corrector/frame store in the video transfer
chain to eliminate these problems.  A proc amp may or may not help also.

J

Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: NAR/FAA announcement!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 10:20:10 GMT

hack@arabia.uucp (Edmund Hack) writes:
: Taken from the Model Rocket forum on the Modelnet on CIS
:     04-Sep-92  18:15:23
: Sb: #Announcement - FAA
: Fm: J. Patrick Miller 72077,65
: To: ALL
:  
: Folks, it is my pleasure to inform you that the Federal Aviation
: Administration called this afternoon (09/03/92) to tell me that the 
: NAR's petition to change the FAR's from 453 gm/113 gm to 1500 gm/125 gm 
: has been docketed and will appear in the "Federal Register" next week. 
:  This has been a seven year effort initiated by the NAR and HIA in May 1985.
:  
: I want to thank Joe Egan of Shaw, Pittman, Potts, & Trowbridge and all
: of you who've worked on this important project.  As this effort proceeds 
: I'll keep one and all informed!

Well, at least they are going to give the petition a hearing. That is a
great step forward. Now, all that needs to be done is to get them to make
the change. That may require another great effort.

Bill
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From: shoppa@almach.caltech.edu (TIM SHOPPA)
Subject: Astro-(disposable)-cam
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:13:00 GMT
From: paul@taniwha.UUCP (Paul Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: NAR/FAA announcement!
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:16:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Taniwha Systems Design

In article <1992Sep5.231911.3398@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> hack@arabia.uucp (Edmund Hack) writes:
>Fm: J. Patrick Miller 72077,65
> 
>Folks, it is my pleasure to inform you that the Federal Aviation
>Administration called this afternoon (09/03/92) to tell me that the 
>NAR's petition to change the FAR's from 453 gm/113 gm to 1500 gm/125 gm 
>has been docketed and will appear in the "Federal Register" next week. 

Hooray, thanks to everyone involved!! his is why I belong to both NAR and
Tripoli .....

	Paul Campbell

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Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: <Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu>  (Roger Wilfong)
Subject: Re: Dallas Area Competition
Organization: UofM Hospitals
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:58:00 GMT

In Article <6394@transfer.stratus.com> "cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)" says:
> In article <1992Sep14.225702.22421@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
> > cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
> > : I hope this means they will be sanctioning it as a Regional Sport Launch,
> > : so that people can do multiple steps in the same day.
> > 
> > Ah, has this been approved? Has the board decided to allow multiple
> > steps to be submitted for only one fee - instead of having to pay for
> > each step demonstrated on the same day?
> 
> Yes, this has been approved.  (Remember who posted it!)
> 
> The fee is to cover the overhead involved in the issuance of the license.
> One license upgrade, one fee.
> 
> A manufacturer, even one on-site, can legally sell you HP engines only if 
> you have been certified by a bona fide research organization.  A Director 
> of a sanctioned event is an authorized agent of the NAR for the purpose of 
> granting this certification.  (Don't confuse witnessing with granting -- 
> any Senior member can witness.)
> -- 
CDT - 
I am confused (again) over 'authorized agent' and 'sanctioned event'.
 To which sanctioned events does this apply?  
 Is the director of a sport launch an authorized agent for this purpose?
 How about a contest director?  
 Do you have to specify that HP certification will be part of the event when 
    you apply for the sanction?
I think an explaination of this issue would be a good topic for one of Pat's
columns.
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Nike v.s. Mosquito
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:04:26 GMT


Speaking of Mosquitoes.. have a look at the June Model Builder
magazine (the one with the HP rocketry article in it). On the 
cover is something that looks like a BIG mosquito. Wonder if it 
ejects the motor too..

(btw theres a picture of a scale Saturn 1B in there.. rocket looks
gorgeous, but is that _snow_ in the backgroud? Oh well, I suppose 
you can't demand scale surroundings too?  9-)  )





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From: hack@arabia.uucp (Edmund Hack)
Subject: NAR/FAA announcement!
Summary: NPR to be issued!
Organization: Lockheed ESC, Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 23:19:11 GMT

Taken from the Model Rocket forum on the Modelnet on CIS
    04-Sep-92  18:15:23
Sb: #Announcement - FAA
Fm: J. Patrick Miller 72077,65
To: ALL
 
Folks, it is my pleasure to inform you that the Federal Aviation
Administration called this afternoon (09/03/92) to tell me that the 
NAR's petition to change the FAR's from 453 gm/113 gm to 1500 gm/125 gm 
has been docketed and will appear in the "Federal Register" next week. 
 This has been a seven year effort initiated by the NAR and HIA in May 1985.
 
I want to thank Joe Egan of Shaw, Pittman, Potts, & Trowbridge and all
of you who've worked on this important project.  As this effort proceeds 
I'll keep one and all informed!
 
J. Patrick Miller, President National Association of Rocketry
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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: Estes rumors
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:48:31 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Sep14.181255.21708@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, rjungcla@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (R. M. Jungclas) writes:
> Recently heard some rumors on the 1993 Estes line that I'll pass
> along:

>     3.  Don't look for the large Saturn 1B that has been displayed at
> 	a couple of manufactures shows (RCTHA '91,'90) and flown at the
> 	last NARAM.   Estes has determined that it is too costly to
> 	produce.

Produce, or repair (snicker)?

>     4.  Look for the entire current Skill 1 kits, including old time
> 	favorites, Big Bertha and Alphas, to be discontinued.  (My guess
> 	is these will be replace with more E2X kits)

Say what?  At NARAM, one of the "new products" Estes exhibited was a 
brand new paint pattern for the Bertha.  All black, with thin white 
"CAD-looking" decorations
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From: buzz@rsd.dl.nec.com (Buzz McDermott)
Subject: Dallas Area Competition
Keywords: DANN-92 competition contesT
Organization: NEC America, Radio Software Dept
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:16:14 GMT

The Dallas Area Rocket Society (DARS) will be hosting the Dallas Area No-
Name 1992, DANN-92, a two day Open Meet.

Dates:     17 & 18 October 1992
Place:     Dallas, Texas (actualy, the DARS launch site just north of Dallas:-)
Events:    1/2A Boos Glide
           1/2A SuperRoc Duration
           A Rocket Glide
           A Parachute Duration (Multi-round)
           B Payload Duration
           C Streamer Duration
           D (single) Eggloft Altitude
Contest
Director:  Robert Turner
           333 Prestonwood Drive #2403
           Richardson, Texas 75080
           (214) 242-1835
For more
information:  Contact Robert Turner
                   - or -
              Nettie Hunsicker, DARS Contest Committee
              1 Harold's Circle
              Richardson, Texas 75081
              (214) 644-2067

Everyone is invited to come and fly and have a great time!  You DO NOT have 
to be an NAR member to compete! Model rocket and high power pads will be 
available.  Sport flying is always welcome.  There will be a 3200' AGL 
waiver with 5000' AGL available on request.  High power launches require
NAR or Tripoli certification.  NAR high power certification will be available.

============================================================================
Buzz McDermott                   Internet: buzz@rsd.dl.nec.com
NAR:   13559
TRA:    1785
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From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: Dallas Area Competition
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:01:49 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <19920915165849.Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu>, Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu writes:
> > A manufacturer, even one on-site, can legally sell you HP engines only if 
> > you have been certified by a bona fide research organization.  A Director 
> > of a sanctioned event is an authorized agent of the NAR for the purpose of 
> > granting this certification.  (Don't confuse witnessing with granting -- 
> > any Senior member can witness.)
> > -- 

> I am confused (again) over 'authorized agent' and 'sanctioned event'.
>  To which sanctioned events does this apply?  

All NAR sanctioned events.

>  Is the director of a sport launch an authorized agent for this purpose?

If it is a sanctioned sport launch.

>  How about a contest director?  

Yes.

>  Do you have to specify that HP certification will be part of the event when 
>     you apply for the sanction?

No.  It's nice if you do, because it looks good in your ad or listing.

> I think an explaination of this issue would be a good topic for one of Pat's
> columns.

Please, no!  I think I could write it in about three inches.  Why waste
two pages?!
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