HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: robert@triton.jpl.nasa.gov (Robert Angelino)
Subject: How compatible is a Decstation 5000 connected to a VAX 6000??
Reply-To: robert@triton.Jpl.Nasa.Gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena CA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:46:33 GMT

Dec World,
	I'm trying to convince some managers to off-load some of the
CPU on the VAX by getting DECstation 5000s and connecting them on 
a network so that the two machines (VAX and DECstation) can talk
to each other, exchange files, compile and run the same programs, etc..
I know DECstations run Ultrix, but how compatible are the two OSs???
Can I access files from the VMS system without having to tell it to
go to the DECstation disk and vice versa (something like NFS on VMS)??
Can I port my VMS program to the the DECstation without changing
anything???  Do I have to worry about byte order and fun stuff like
that??   How compatible are binary files???  Can I download a VMS
binary file with varirable length records and have the DECstation
able to read it with problems???  Can I do all these thngs with
the system (DECstation) out of the box or am I wishful thinking???

Any responses are welcome.
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From: bob@teda.Teradyne.COM (Bob Armstrong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.os.vms
Subject: What's wrong with the speaker on my 4000 model 60 ??
Keywords: VAXstation-4000/60 speaker audio
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:10:23 GMT
Followup-To: poster


  I've been experimenting with playing audio on my VAXstation 4000 model
60 using the SO driver.  it works fine if I attach the handset cable and
headphones, but when I set the switch on the front to "speaker" there is
no sound!

  When the system firmware executes the diagnostics I can hear sounds
from the machine, so I know there's a speaker in there and that it works.

  Does anybody know what I'm doing wrong ?

Thanks,
Bob Armstrong


Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.windows.x,comp.unix.xenix.sco,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.windows.misc,comp.unix.msdos,comp.unix.admin,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.sys.hp
From: bob@teda.Teradyne.COM (Bob Armstrong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: What is LA10X-EP ??
Keywords: LA10X-EP
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:04:17 GMT


  This weekend, I picked up a surplus DEC LA10X-EP.  This is a
small box, about 3"Wx1"Hx6"D, and is fitted with a Centronics
connecter and a female DB-25.

  It looks like it should be a serial to parallel converter.  Is
this true ?  It would be very useful to me if it was.

  Inside, the PCB contains 6 DIP switches - I assume these select
the baud rate and character format.  Does anyone know the switch
definitions ?

Thanks,
Bob Armstrong
From: efb@slced1.nswses.navy.mil (Everett F Batey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Sun NEC6323 Under BSD Tahoe on MV-II
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:21:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NSWSES, Port Hueneme, CA

Have a MicroVAX-II (H9642 size) running a Tahoe Kernel, supports an
Emulex QD-35 about 20-30 months old (firmware).  We came up with a 
Sun prepared 890 MB SMD drive, NEC6323.  We are trying to get it up
on the Tahoe MicroVAX.  

Looking for a neighbor with any experience .. lots of crawling
around in the dark .. any help welcome.  /Ev/

--
 +  efb@suned1.nswses.Navy.MIL  efb@gcpacix.uucp  efb@gcpacix.cotdazr.org +
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.ultrix
From: cosc4hf@menudo.uh.edu (Aditya Talwar)
Subject: Digitizier input to a Decstation 5000
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:43:25 GMT

Hi Ultrix/Decstation managers;

I am trying to help one of my colleagues to read from a Digitizier, attached
to a DecStation 5000. There are two ports marked at the back, port 1 and
port 2. We started out by assuming port 2 to correspond to /dev/tty00,
we defined the entry in the /etc/ttys file for continous reading from
the digitizier. He makes an ioctl call to /dev/tty00 setting it up for
ready only, but it fails and comes back with status -1, the errno is 25,
which I believe is, cann't talk to device, after spending some time, we
are not sure if we are using the correct /dev/tty** file to set and read.
If anybody has a clue to the settings for Digitizier or the correspondence
between /dev/tty** and ports at the back, please send me mail, it will lifts
the spirits of the hardware manual-less user.

Thanks
cosc4hf@menudo.uh.edu
aditya
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From: mcmahon@tgv.com (John 'Fast-Eddie' McMahon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Questions about DECWindows under VMS
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:11:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr9.171147.4390
Reply-To: mcmahon@tgv.com
Followup-To: comp.windows.x
Organization: TGV Incorporated (Tech Support) in Santa Cruz, CA


In article <1992Apr8.113011.23572@descartes.waterloo.edu>, wjbaird@descartes.waterloo.edu (Warren Baird) writes:
#1)  The information that I've seen implies that DECWindows under VMS is
#an X11 varient, but I haven't been able to find the relationship
#between various versions of DECWindows and the releases of X11.  Is
#there an easy way to tell whether a version of DECWindows is X11R3 or
#X11R4?

The original DECwindows product that was supplied with VMS 5.1 through VMS 5.5
is X11R3 based.  Applications in this kit are based on the XUI toolkit which
DEC invented.  This product is being phased out.

The DECwindows Motif product is X11R4 based.  As I understand it, it is not
bundled with VMS...  it requires a separate install kit and license. 
Typically, there is not cost involved...  it's just a separate kit.

#2) Is VMS DECWindows a full X11 distribution?  Does it support all of
#the XLib toolkit?  Are there any other toolkits that are always
#included?

Xlib isn't (IMHO) a toolkit.  DECwindows has a Xlib interface that is pretty
good.

Original DECwindows includes the XUI toolkit.
DECwindows Motif includes XUI and Motif.

There are public-domain and commercial ports of other toolkits.

#3) Is there any easy way for X programs running under VMS (with the
#DECNet protocol, I suppose) to communicate with X servers running under
#Unix? (either Ultrix or otherwise)

Three ways come to mind:

1)  Install DECnet on the UNIX box (assuming it's available and works with X)
2)  Install TCP/IP on the VMS box (seems like all the IP for VMS vendors now
    support X windows)
3)  Use a gateway between the two protocols.  I believe there is one available
    under ULTRIX, TGV will be shipping one with MultiNet TCP/IP (for VMS)
    around the May timeframe.

#4) Are there any special issues that have to be addressed in porting an
#XLib-based program from Unix to VMS?

I'll let someone else tackle this one.  My own experiments find Xlib to be
pretty portable...  it's the toolkits and o/s call that haunt you.

--
John 'Fast-Eddie' McMahon    ()
TGV, Incorporated            () "You know you have answered too many            
603 Mission Street           ()  Tech Support questions when your Pavlovian   
Santa Cruz, California 95060 ()  response to a ringing phone is to throw it   
408-427-4366 or 800-TGV-3440 ()  out a window" - Me
E-Mail: MCMAHON@TGV.COM      ()
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: petav@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Peter Averkamp)
Subject: Re: nfs-patch
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 06:51:46 GMT

Thanks to all that responded !
I digged into MIPS assembler a little this weekend and was able to
do the patch. (sum = 15177   104 for 4.2a and 62555   104 for 4.2 ,right?)
Things fly now!
I have got the impression that i am not the only one who will be using it,
so, regarding the comments from mjr, i would be interested in any experiences
with it as well as who else wants to use it. Therefore i am willing to
provide a patch for 4.2 & 4.2a (unsupported, of course) to anyone who
drops me a mail. Comparison to prestoserve would be also rather interesting.
As i am only interested in the tranfer speed for big files, here is
a startpoint:  

    cp /genvmunix(2761504 bytes) /mountpoint  :  20.8sec w/o patch
                                              :  5.2sec  w patch
    source was a DEC DSP3085 disk (a small,nice & fast little thing;
    very good job, DEC!) on a 5k/200 and destination a Maxtor 
    Panther12 on a 5k125, both machines w/o load.

To mjr: As i don't want to warm up a thread here that belongs to 
comp.protocls.nfs, i just want to say that i was pleased to read that 
you think async writes should be a configurable option, especially if
it would let us use it on a per-filesystem basis.

- Peter Averkamp -

--
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Techn. Univ. of Munich               | Phone: ++49 (89) 3209-2408
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.windows.x,comp.unix.xenix.sco,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.windows.misc,comp.unix.msdos,comp.unix.admin,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.sys.hp
From: goer@ellis.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Subject: Re: Question for net.views column in UNIX Today!
Followup-To: alt.flame
Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:44:29 GMT

In article <261@sleepy.UUCP> allyn@sleepy.UUCP (Mark Allyn) writes:
>> FLAMING EXCREMENT they are. Their software is a damned nightmare to install,
>
>What happened with your Oracle installation?
>
>I've installed and administered two large Oracle databases on Sun equipment.
>Both installations went smoothly and I have few problems keeping the
>respective databases up.

Come on, guys, look at all the newsgroups this is going out to.  I keep
thinking someone will suddenly wake up, notice the gross negligence
of leaving so many groups in the distribution, and trim them out.

Followups to alt.flame.


-- 

   -Richard L. Goerwitz              goer%ellis@uchicago.bitnet
   goer@ellis.uchicago.edu           rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer
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From: rocker@csa.bu.edu (The Long Haired One)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.dec.micro,misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale,ne.forsale
Subject: DEC Equiptment
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:49:43 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.dec
Distribution: comp, misc, ne
Organization: Boston University


DEC Rainbow 100a, no monitor, no keyboard.
   status: base system with one RX50 dual-disk drive. 
           passes all diagnostics tests and is in working order.
   price: best offer.

2 Rainbow PC100 Memory boards(192k - nonremovable)
   each passed diagnostic tests - $20each/b.o.

RX50 dual-disk drive - tested and passes diags $25

(buyer pays for shipping)

email rocker@cs.bu.edu
From: cepek@vixvax.mgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: VT100
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:02:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: vixvax.1992Apr14.100247.1771
Distribution: comp
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

> ...I posted my question (Subject: VT100) in 
> comp.sys.dec.micro and I got two helpfull answers for now. 

An even better place to try would be: comp.terminals

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Xref: sparky comp.sys.dec:2471 comp.os.vms:8033
From: bob@teda.Teradyne.COM (Bob Armstrong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.os.vms
Subject: VAXstation-2000 hardware options
Keywords: VAXstation-2000
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:43:09 GMT
Followup-To: poster


  Is it possible to use non-DEC and non-RDxx equivalent disks with ST506
interfaces in the -2000 ?  

  Is it possible to convince the 2000 to handle more than two fixed disk
drives ?

  Is it possible to convert the TK50 port into a more general purpose
I/O (say, SCSI??) port ?

Thanks,
Bob Armstrong
bob@teda.eda.teradyne.com
From: jym@sybase.com (Jym Dyer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: VT100
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:51:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: asche.JYM.92Apr12205136
Distribution: comp
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
In-reply-to: bouillin@tele.nokia.fi's message of 7 Apr 92 13:46:11 GMT

> Could anybody tell me if the standard DEC VT100 has ever been
> published?

=o= The standard DEC VT100 what?  Escape codes?  Font patterns?
    <_Jym_>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: ankleand@mtl.mit.edu (Andrew Karanicolas)
Subject: Ultrix 4.2a on CD-ROM	NOT!
Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 05:52:32 GMT

Greetings,

I have some questions about Ultrix 4.2a:

(1) Does anyone know for sure whether Ultrix 4.2a is available on CD-ROM?

(2) Will DEC install Ultrix 4.2a on a factory disk drive for a
DECstation5000/240?  

We are interested in a SZ12 expansion box for an RZ58 1.3G disk drive.
Since no internal drives can be installed on a 240, it is not clear
whether Ultrix 4.2a is installed at the factory when the DEc disk drive
options are selected.

As I understand, Ultrix can come installed on the 125 and possibly the
200.

Please e-mail relevant information.  Thanks,

-- 
Andrew Karanicolas
MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratory
ankleand@mtl.mit.edu
From: holsberg@pilot.njin.net (Peter J. Holsberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: TCF'92
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:33:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


The Trenton Computer Festival 1992 will be held at Mercer College on
Saturday, April 11 (9-6) and Sunday, April 12 (10-4). 

This year's festival features:
	- The world's largest outdoor personal computer FLEA MARKET
	- Over 170 National Vendor and Commercial Booths, featuring AST,
          Adobe, Aldus, Borland, Microsoft, Lotus, Corel, Micrografx,
	  Toshiba, Hewlett-Packard, WordPerfect, Intel, Symantec, 
	  Software Publishing, and local vendors.
	- More than 125 FREE Seminars, Forums and Talks on all aspects of
	  computing.
	- Thousands of dollars worth of door prizes, including an AST 386SX
	  notebook computer, an HP color printer and an HP color scanner.
	- Saturday evening banquet features keynote speaker, Paul Grayson,
	  CEO of Micrografx. Tickets are $20 each.
	- Admission:
		General: $7 for both days; $5 for Sunday only
		Students and Seniors: $3 for both days
		Preschoolers accompanied by adult: FREE
		Other Children Under 12 accompanied by adult: $3 for both days,
			FREE on Sunday only

Files with all kinds of good information are available for anonymous
ftp from pilot.njin.net (128.6.7.38) in pub/TCF/tcf.  They include:

	what.is.TCF - history and description of TCF
	gen.info - general info about TCF, directions, parking, etc.

Pete Holsberg
TCF 92 Steering Committee
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.os.vms
From: edwest@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Dr. Edmund West)
Subject: FREE VMS 4.4 manuals available
Organization: UTHPC
Distribution: ont
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:52:09 GMT

  We have a full set (43 binders) of hardcopy documentation for VMS
version 4.4 which we do not need (since we have a set of version 5
manuals). Therefore, we will consider donating the 4.4 manuals to
anyone with an honest need for them. The criteria are that (1) you are
the system administrator or a serious user of a VMS system, (2) you do
not already have a comparable set of manuals, and (3) you are willing
to carry them away from our offices on the UofT downtown campus.
  If you would like to obtain the set, please contact Allen Forsyth at
416-978-6601 during business hours.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: ajc@pa.dec.com (AJ Casamento)
Subject: Re: DECstation 5000/240 internal bus
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:58:26



Marissa,

  Here's the best update I can make you on the internal structures of the
DS5000/240 (I haven't forgotten your request on the I/O CTL specification 
either, I'm trying to get as many of the ASIC interfaces as I can through
a DEC legal review...might as well be shot for a sheep as a lamb). Here's
my breakdown:


For those of you who are unfamiliar with the abbreviations that Marissa used:

MB	Memory Buffer ASIC	Provides the new write buffer functionality.

MT	Memory Turbo ASIC	Provides the memory controller and also the
				TURBOchannel master.

MS	Memory Strobe ASIC	Provides a gated clock signal to the memory
				module being addressed (note that this is 
				different from the DS5000/200 which did clock
				distribution to all memory slots every cycle.

Your note is quite accurate as it stands.  Here's some more data:

CPU             <->     cache system            : non-multiplexed, shared w/MB
CPU/cache       <->     "MB" ASIC               : non-multiplexed
"MB" ASIC       <->     "MT" ASIC               : non-multiplexed
"MT" ASIC       <->     "MS" ASIC               : not a bus
"MS" ASIC       <->     system memory modules   : not a bus

The MB and cache share the same non-multiplexed address and data busses
from the R3000, running at 40+ Mhz.  The connection between the MB and MT
is also a non-multiplexed interface with separate address and data busses,
running at <= 25 Mhz.  The MT then sprouts 4 busses:
        Memory DRAM address bus (10 bits)
        Memory data/ecc lo bus (39 bits)
        Memory data/ecc hi bus (39 bits)
        Multiplexed TURBOchannel address/data bus (32 bits)


I hope this gives you sufficient help.

				Thanx,
				  AJ


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From: holsberg@pilot.njin.net (Peter J. Holsberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
Subject: TCF'92 THIS WEEKEND!
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:13:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


The Trenton Computer Festival 1992 will be held at Mercer College on
Saturday, April 11 (9-6) and Sunday, April 12 (10-4). 

This year's festival features:
	- The world's largest outdoor personal computer FLEA MARKET
	- Over 170 National Vendor and Commercial Booths, featuring AST,
          Adobe, Aldus, Borland, Microsoft, Lotus, Corel, Micrografx,
	  Toshiba, Hewlett-Packard, WordPerfect, Intel, Symantec, 
	  Software Publishing, and local vendors.
	- More than 125 FREE Seminars, Forums and Talks on all aspects of
	  computing.
	- Thousands of dollars worth of door prizes, including an AST 386SX
	  notebook computer, an HP color printer and an HP color scanner.
	- Saturday evening banquet features keynote speaker, Paul Grayson,
	  CEO of Micrografx. Tickets are $20 each.
	- Admission:
		General: $7 for both days; $5 for Sunday only
		Students and Seniors: $3 for both days
		Preschoolers accompanied by adult: FREE
		Other Children Under 12 accompanied by adult: $3 for both days,
			FREE on Sunday only

Files with all kinds of good information are available for anonymous
ftp from pilot.njin.net (128.6.7.38) in pub/TCF/tcf.  They include:

	what.is.TCF - history and description of TCF
	gen.info - general info about TCF, directions, parking, etc.

Pete Holsberg
TCF 92 Steering Committee
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec
From: music@reg.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH)
Subject: TECO .  I need to know more about it.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: TECO, SPEED
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:45:00 GMT

 Hello Netters, 

    I have a lot of programs written on a DATA GENERAL system using
   their SPEED utility to manipulate text files.  It seems that DG's
   SPEED is a take-off of old-fashioned TECO.  The commands are very
   similar and at first glance one might mistake code to be for the
   other one.

     I would like to convert many of these to TECO.  TECO and SPEED
   use the very fewest keystrokes of any editor I have ever seen.
   The commands are, for the most part, single characters, and success
   of certain commands can be passed on numerically to subsequent
   commands.  Nested loops are a dream.  Powerful, simple, fast, but
   unforgiving.  SPEED has no UNDO commands.  Don't know about TECO.

     Trouble is, it seems we have no manuals left.  The blasted Gray 
   Wall in the DCL manual pg 162 says "see the PDP TECO manual".  What
   a tick-off!

     Does anyone out there have some TECO documentation they could
   mail me?

     Thanks very much.

    Fred W. Bach                             Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca
    Operations group,                        Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 278/419
    TRIUMF (TRi-University Meson Facility)   FAX:    604-222-1074
    4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS
    University of British Columbia,
    Vancouver, B.C., CANADA   V6T 2A3

  Disclaimer:

     These are my opinions, based on my experience, and in NO way
     necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow employees.
     My opinions should only get you to read and ask questions.

        ** I'm just a humble programmer working at my terminal. **
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From: renglish@cello.hpl.hp.com (Bob English)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.windows.x,comp.unix.xenix.sco,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.windows.misc,comp.unix.msdos,comp.unix.admin,comp.os.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Question for net.views column in UNIX Today!
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:44:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: cello.1992Apr16.204427.1546
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs

> In article <1992Apr3.190000.23149@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> vsnyder@math.jpl.nasa.gov (Van Snyder) writes:
> [ sendmail.cf is too complicated ]

chris@alderan.sdata.de (Christoph Splittgerber) responds:
> I've seen statements like this before, to me it looks like that all the
> people who are blaming about sendmail never made an attempt learning about
> it. From my point of view, sendmail is a complex, powerful tool and
> therefor it seems very natural that it's configuration is complex too.

I have to agree with Van, here.  While sendmail may indeed be a complex,
powerful tool, that doesn't mean that simple things have to be complex
and difficult.

In any case, I really doubt that sendmail.cf is more complex and
powerful than most of the standard Unix filters.  I know it's more
cryptic and difficult to understand.

--bob--
Only speaking for you.
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