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From: enis@flower..bellcore.com (A. Enis Cetin)
Subject: Re: Turkey Revives Slave Trade (EXCLUSIVE)
Summary: Buy one get the other one free
Reply-To: enis@flower.UUCP (A. Enis Cetin)
Organization: Bellcore MRE
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 14:34:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.124209.17275@eecs.nwu.edu> efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu writes:
>SOURCE: THE EUROPEAN 6-9 AUGUST 1992
> 
>Thousands of east Europeans desperate for hard currency are flocking to
>in modern day "slave markets". Europe's new slave workers are young
>Russians, Romanians and Poles illegally employed to work on construction
>sites in Istanbul.
:
:
>Turkey, which has undergone a dramatic economic recovery, has become the most
>popular labour market for the Iron Curtain countries because there are no
>restrictions on visitors.
>Ironically, the market is run mainly by the workers' 
>own compatriots-principally
>Romanians and Poles who settled in Turkey years ago.
>Many workers are highly qualified with university degrees, while others have
>skills they cannnot sell at home. Inflation in eastern Europe is so high that
>the earnings of teachers, such as Romanian Manole Viorel, are worthless. Viorel,
>28, has not had a bath since he arrived in Istanbul 45 days ago. 


At least he must have had a shower. It was raining in Istanbul when
I was there one month ago.  :-)

>He sleeps in
>the open air at the rat-infested construction site where he works . But
>he considers himself "lucky" to have the job-despite the humiliation 
>and the lack of sanitation.
>"I was a 
>teacher in Bucharest. My salary wasn't enough to support my family.

ENIS CETIN
From: efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: A Frame Of 'Palikarya' Mind: Greek Anti-Semitism.
Date: 30 Aug 92 12:11:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: eecs.1992Aug30.121129.26310
Organization: NU
Originator: efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu

In article <2315@itexjct.jct.ac.il> warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein) writes:
>What on earth is a 'palikarya'?  If it's some sort of insult, I'm not
>calling anyone this, just asking what it means.

`Palikari' is a Greek work meaning `young man/lad' or it can be used to refer
to a brave (not coward) young man. It is by no means an insult.

`Palikaria' is just the plural form (like: phenomenon -> phenomena).
One could also spell it as `palikarya'.

BTW, I have no idea what kind of BS the original article contain (obviously
it was by M*tl*, who else?). There's no such thing as Greek anti-Semitism.
For example, during the occupation of Greece by the Germans, many Greeks took
extreme risks to hide and protect the Jews. Today, the Jewish community in
Greece is thriving. The relations between Greece and Israel are in very good
status and recently the Greek prime minister was in Israel where he had a
number of successful trade agreements.

>-- 
>/|/-\/-\       The entire world		Jerusalem
> |__/__/_/     is a very cold carrot.
> |warren@      But the Kibo
>/ nysernet.org is not all that concerned.

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From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.motss
Subject: Re: AM/CM - Gay Colonialism?
Date: 30 Aug 92 17:31:56 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA

In article <Bt968x.BCr@quake.sylmar.ca.us> brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:

>In article <1992Aug18.023706.21423@csrd.uiuc.edu> hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:
>
>>PC doesn't mean anything anymore.
>
>That's news to me!  It still means just what it used to, "politically correct".

Which, of course, is simply chock-full of meaning.  Oodles and oodles
of it.  Right.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com (Somewhere in-between nice and The Devil)
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:06:32 GMT

In article <78915@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>[stuff deleted above]
>
>It's this thing called "self-respect," "being sure about who you are,"
>and "being accepted on your own terms."

So far, so good.

>I've stated my terms, and the "power elite" seems to accept them.

Joe, I'm kind of amused that you think you're part of the "power elite."
Are you really?  I don't think there's a single person in USENET who's truly
a member of the so-called "power elite."

By "power elite," do you mean ordinary, average white folks?  Even ordinary,
upper-middle-class white folks?  That ain't my definition of "power elite."

>My position is simply this....
>
>If you are smart, you can be nice to me, and we can work together to
>make this a great place for all of us to live.  If you are stupid, you
>can be mean to me, and spend all your time harrassing me.  But if you
>are stupid, you are only hurting yourself.  You can't hurt me.

Again, this is a great attitude to have, BUT...

>I like working from a position of strength.  It gains respect.  It
>also seems to help get into the "power elite."

Which I'm 99.99% sure you are NOT in right now.  Unless you're a heck of a
lot wealthier and influential than you're letting on.

Try getting into the TRUE power elite in this country with your no-compromise,
"I'm Chinese, this is what I am, I make no accomodations to you, and I still
want into your group" attitude.  You'll get laughed off the face of the earth.
Hell, try getting in there with your Chinese face/heritage/background and a
"bend over backwards to accomodate them" attitude that some others seem to
advocate.

In either case, I don't think you'll get very far.

Jim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Michael Woo, L.A. mayoral candidate
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:41:39 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <92238.094209U58402@uicvm.uic.edu> U58402@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
> . . . .
>Not being well versed in L.A. politics, I was wondering if anyone who
>is from that area could help me out.
>
>1. Is Bradley going to run again?

This isn't clear yet.  A lot of us hope he doesn't; he's been in office
for close to two decades, and just doesn't seem to be much of a force
for change any more (in a city that changes almost daily).  He was a
very good mayor for his first three terms, however, IMO.

>2. What is the ethnic breakdown of L.A. now? I was told that the
>African-American community was not as large as the Asian-American
>community in L.A. This surprised me.

Well, the Latino community is larger than either of them.  "Anglos"
are a minority in the city of L.A.

>3. Is L.A. predominantly Democratic or Republican?

Democratic over all, but some areas of the city are largely Republican.
In a low-turnout election, such areas turn out relatively better, so
Republicans are expected to be a force.

>4. Who else could make a run for mayor besides Bradley?

I think there are close to a dozen who have either announced or are
expected to.  Michael Woo was the first.  I expect him to stay in for
the long haul, if he can get financing, while many of the rest will
wind up dropping out (likely for lack of funds).

>Michael Woo came across as being quite personable and energetic. The
>organizers of this fundraiser made a small tactical error, though: they
>held this fundraiser for Woo, who is a Democrat, in Westmont, a town in
>DuPage County, which is VERY Republican. (The head of the Democratic
>Party of DuPage showed up. I figured he was the head because he WAS the
>Democratic Party of DuPage.) Woo did raise more money than he
>expected to, though.

This doesn't surprise me.  Woo is a coalition-builder.  He would want
to forge relationships beyond party lines.  This is simple pragmatism
in a city as diverse and multi-polar as L.A., but Woo seems a pretty
honorable man (for a politician).  Of the current field, I'd probably
vote for him.

		-Ed Hall
		edhall@rand.org
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:10:13 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Aug28.084311.25693@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>I've met a lot of Asian Americans who *believe* they can pass as totally
>Asian, as you can

I was actually quite surprised how well I could pass as Asian.  There
was one case in which I was introduced to a Chinese student from
Mainland China and we talked for a while.  I causally mentioned that
my sister spoke French much better than Mandarin.  He was shocked and
wanted to know how that was possible.  It was only then that I
mentioned (and he realized) that I was an ABC.

This sort of thing happens quite often.
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Degrees of racism (was Re: Whites don't understand)
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 11:57:07 GMT

In article <78995@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.194800.27150@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>
>>  You're putting words in my mouth.  I never called Joe W
>>  a race traitor.  I just clarified that he would never
>>  consider himself Asian American.  So I accept that he
>>  considers himself Chinese. 
>
>I was asked:
>
>  When are you going to stop being Chinese and start being Asian-American?
>
>And my answer is:
>
>  If being Asian-American means not being Chinese, then the answer is 
>  never.
>
>Notice the implicit condition I was given.  Apparently, Ms. Chu
>refuses to consider me to be Asian-American if I consider myself to be
>Chinese.  Let me point out something peculiar about that condition.

  Get this straight, you explicitly posted that you did not consider
  yourself AA since you consider yourself Chinese.  As I told Mr.
  Douglas Basher already, AA is self-defined.  If he wants to
  consider himself AA, who's to say he's not.

  What's peculiar is that you are trying to pigeonhole yourself
  into the corner and then you balk when others take your word for it.
>
>I refuse to be controlled this way.  If Ms. Chu would like to redefine
>her view of "Asian-American" to include people, like me who are at
>their core Chinese, I won't object to be called Asian-American.  But I
>have to change myself and my view of the world in the slightest way,
>to be seen as Asian-American, then I refuse to become a member of this
>group.

  Idjit, you mean I get to define what is an AA?  You give me too much
  power.  You go ahead and define what an AA is to you and then you 
  decide whether you want to be considered AA or not.  Not me.
  You told me you don't consider yourself AA, so I accepted that.

  You are being controlled by your faulty perceptions.
>
>No.  I will not join these "Asian-Americans."  I will simply remain an
>outsider, trying to figure out what they mean when they talk about
>diversity and acceptance....
>

  Keep figuring since you voluntarily remain an outsider.  Look Joe,
  if you want, I'll consider you an Asian American.  It's up to you.
  You told me several posts back that you will NEVER consider yourself
  AA, and when I accepted your definition of yourself, you now complain
  that I'm trying to control you.  So you're either AA or not according
  to your own definition.

  Geez, can't these men ever make up their minds???  :-)
>
  Okay, let's make it simple.  Why don't you decide every morning when
  you wake up and then tell us so we can accomodate your preferences.
  Be aware that USENET lags some days and the propagation of articles
  is not always uniform, before jumping in and accusing people of
  following your preferences of yesterday or the day before.
>
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: joan@koala.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Asian Cop Murders White Woman in Asian Chancellor's Home
Date: 2 Sep 1992 04:50:23 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: koala.berkeley.edu


	It was neither the Berkeley nor the Oakland police who first
responded, but the University police.  They got the Oakland K-9 unit
to help search or clear the house.  The Berkeley police are not allowed
to have any dogs because dogs were used against African-Americans in
the south during the late sixties.  


Joan V
From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Changing Race Parable Re: Perceptions,
Date: 30 Aug 92 20:53:55 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Distribution: na

kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:
|The parable referred to in another post is:
|
|You will be visited tonight by an official you have never met.  He begins by
|telling you that he is extremely embarrassed.  The organization he represents
|has made a mistake, something that hardly ever happens.
|
|According totheir records, he goes on, you were to have been born black:  to
|another set of parents, far from where you were raised.
|
|However, thr rules being what they are, this error must be rectified, and as
|soon as possible.  So at midnight tonight, you will become black.  And this
|will mean not simply a darker skin, but the bodily and facial features
|associated with African ancestry.  However, inside you will be the person you
|always were.  Your knowledge and ideas will remain intact.  But outwardly you
|will not be recognizable to anyone you now know.            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|Your visitor emphasizes that being born to the wrong parents was in no way
|your fault.  Consequently, his organization is prepared to offer you some
|reasonable recompense.  Would you, he asks, care to name a sum of money you
|might consider appropriate?  He adds that his group is by no means poor.  It
|can be quite generous when the circumstances warrant, as they seem to in your
|case.  He finishes by saying that their records show you are scheduled to
|live another fifty years--as a black man or woman in America.
|
|How much financial recompense would you request?

I heard that white people being changed to black responded $1 million
or something.  Does anyone know about other combinations (e.g.
black->white, *->asian, asian->*, *->latino, latino->*)?

However, as another poster mentioned, the ^^^ condition about being
unrecognizable by anyone you know severely distorts the parable --
a person may demand a stiff price to lose a lifetime collection of
friends and acquaintences, regardless of the race change involved.
Perhaps if the parable were altered so that existing friends and
acquaintences would still know you, it may be a better comparison.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:01:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.132252.19018@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>In article <23511@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj, clueless old white boy) writes:
>>In article <5010@dove.nist.gov> hira@cme.nist.gov writes:
>>>Just one question. When does the inaction by most whites that you describe 
>>>become complicity?
>>
>>You truly don't understand, do you?  They have no more power
>>than you.  What do you expect them to do? Have their lives
>>ruined?  Perhaps that would be the "moral" thing to do, but I don't
>>think whites are any different than any other group when it comes
>>to survival of the individual.
>>
>>What do you think they can do that you can't?
>
>  So according to you being white confers absolutely no advantage
>  in America, right?  So why don't you trade in your white skin
>  for a black or yellow one?  According to a survey done by some

Kind of a non-statement; if someone is reasonably comfortable with him/herself,
why would they "trade in" ANY skin color?

>  professor, the price of a white skin was something like 10 million
>  dollars.  He asked white people this question:
>
>  "How much money would you want if someone were to change you
>  to be Black?"  And the average amount stated was $10 million.
>  Presumably as compensation for the advantages that whites enjoy.

So how much would YOU pay to have a different skin color, Clare? Would YOU
change color for $10 mil? For free?

In any event, that's NOT the price of a "white skin"; that's the price of
changing into something you are not.

Or, to continue your suspect reasoning here, how much would you PAY to be 
made a man? After all, men are paid more, in general, than women. How much is
it worth to you? 

Mike

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From: hirota@sluggo.sdsc.edu (Bryan Hirota)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Rapid Fire
Date: 30 Aug 1992 21:09:22 GMT
Organization: San Diego Supercomputer Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: sluggo.sdsc.edu

Has every decent-minded Asian American done their duty by seeing
Brandon Lee in this summer's action adventure flick "Rapid Fire"?

Probably not.

I am often disapointed in the inability of Asian Americans to support
their own kin.  When a black film in released,  African Americans come
out of the woodwork,  because they understand the importance of
the film doing well.  If the film does not do well,  then the movie executives,
will continue to think that people X are unmarketable.

Therefor, as a public service, I'll do a mini-review of the movie
Rapid Fire.

=====
Rapid Fire
Starring:	Brandon Lee and some white people.

When considering how to rate this film,  the genre of it must be taken
into consideration.  This film will not bring you social awareness, it
will not save the whales,  but if you like action films,  it will
put a smile on your face.

Brandon Lee plays a Chinese American art student (who's father was
killed before his very eyes in Tienamen Square (sp?) ) who witnesses
a mob hit.  He is then taken under FBI control to protect him from
the mafia-man.  Problem is - some of the FBI guys have been bought off
too, and they want him dead.  Oh yeah, and the guy the mobster killed?
He was a Chinese-mafia-type.

The story itself, is not that enthralling.  The characters are shallow,
there is little depth in the relationships between the characters.
But that's not what see a movie like this for...

FIGHT SCENES:	The fight scenes in this film are probably some of the
best I've seen in recent years.  Brandon Lee inherits his father's
legendary quickness.  If you know even a minor amount of martial
arts, and have been disapointed with the skills of would be heros
such as Van Damme, Speakman, Lundgren, Seagal (even though I like Steve),
Brandon Lee is a bresh of fresh air.

So people, get out like an invading yellow hoard, and see your own kind.
He ain't goofy, he ain't nerdy, and speaks perfect english.
(and some Chinese too, but I can't tell if it's decent or not, does anyone
know?)

On an action/adventure scale of 1 to 5,  Rapid Fire, earns a very
respectable 4.  


S
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Subject: Re: Accountability, or rather, Andy's lack of it.
Keywords: Just go punch him out, JJ.
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:38:34 GMT

In article <16p08fINNocr@agate.berkeley.edu> nbyram@ocf.berkeley.edu (Nicholas Byram) writes:
>But JJ, I think you should do more than just respond to his ceaseless 
>lying.  How far is the drive from Jersey to Boston? I personally think
>Andy Shaw should be held personally accountable for his lies--with a 
>good beating. A baseball bat or hammer to the forehead can do wonders 
>to clear up his thinking. It's also harder to tell lies when one's 
>nose and jaw are broken.

Why?  I don't use my *nose* or *jaw* to type.  Looks like you'll have to
break his fingers, too.  :-)

>Then again, by that standard, Noam Chomsky (Khmer Rouge apologist),
>also at MIT, should be taken out and beaten...
>
>Sigh.  If only I could get out of school and work and afford plane 
>fare for a while... 

I don't think they'll let you take a hammer on the plane--at least you'll
have to check it in.
From: sieh@panix.com (Twinkie Chinkie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:49:39 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Sep1.122629.19484@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) 
writes:
>In article <78808@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug31.142228.4926@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
>>writes:
>>>  When are you going to become Asian American?  
>>How's "never" for an answer?  Got a problem with that? 
>  Good.  No problem with that, except the official name of this
>  newsgroup is soc.culture.asian.american
>
>  Since you do not consider yourself Asian American, we'll take
>  everything you say the same way we take what JJ and other visitors
>  say, i.e. knowing that they don't represent the AA viewpoint.
>  So we delete you as a datapoint.  Thanks for making it clear.
>
>  Now I can heartily accept everything you say, since you are just
>  sharing with us your esteemed Chinese-cu wisdom.  

A discussion of an interesting point is shaping up here between Clare and Joe.
A subtle question is arising in this thread and I think it's pretty important.
"What is an Asian American?"...Or, "What are the defining characteristics of
an Asian American?"  Besides similar skin color as a defining trait, are there
any more traits that would be said to define to another person that someone is
an Asian American?

Just a thought of the moment.  Back to your regularly scheduled thread.

//Twinkie Chinkie
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