From: veal@utkux1.utk.edu (David L. Veal)
Subject: Re: Fear or loathing?  So what?
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:02:59 GMT

In article <nv3dah0@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>In article <03pmdjj.phil@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:


>>But in this world, you will always have the responsiblity of
>>acounting for what you are.

>In this world, you have to deal with people who are different from you.
>You cannot avoid it.

     Then we must *learn* to be tolerant, because no one can be *forced*
to be tolerant.
 
     There are a couple of people in this world I flat out despise.  (They 
would, in Newspeak, be term Personality Disadvantaged)  I want nothing to
do with them.  As a result, I stay away from them.

     I would be livid, and rightfully so, if they decided they were going to 
hang around me and the government said I had to like it.

>>If you "are" something that most people don't like, then most people
>>will not want to associate with you.

>What you don't realize is that you cannot avoid dealing with homosexuals.
>You cannot avoid us, we are everywhere.  You want to avoid telling your
>daughter about homosexuals.  She will meet homosexuals on her own, whether
>or not you try and protect her.  

     If we cannot avoid dealing with homosexuals, why does the government
need to step in?

>>You seem to want to avoid being responsible.

>No, YOU seem to want to avoid the responsibility of explaining the world
>to your daughter.  You want to avoid the responsibility of allowing people
>to be what they want. 

     You may be whatever you want, whereever you want, whenever you want...
except in my home or my business of my car if I say "no."  I do not,
as a rule, invite mass murderers into my home, despite the fact some
doctors claim that they do what they do for physiological reasons and are
not responsible for their actions.  (No, I am not saying mass murderers and
homosexuals are equivilent.)
 
     There is a list of things which are legal no-nos to discriminate 
against.  However, what the people on those lists fail to realize is there 
are a lot of, generally smaller, groups who aren't on the "official victim"
lists who get discriminated against, rightly or wrongly.
 
     When it comes down to it, you don't seem to want an end to 
discrimination, you only want discrimination placed on the things
*you* find unpleasant, and that's a whole different thing.

>>Even though, at the same time, it seems clear that there are
>>large numbers of people that YOU don't want to associate with.

>Name one group of people that I do not want to deal with... I bet you 
>cannot...  I would happily have lunch with you and clayton.  I'll
>even buy it.  I know Metzger (head of WAR) fairly well.  I am not the one
>who is insisiting on the juvenile right to not deal with any group I
>choose not to.

     Convicted mass murderers.  Rapists.  Anyone who wants to beat gays
senseless.  

     These are groups in every sense of the word.

>The funny thing is, if you wanted to keep your daughter away from one
>particular homosexual, me for example, I would not mind.  I don't have
>to know anyone.  However, if you think that you can keep her away from
>all homosexuals, you are completely clueless.

     Again, why bother with a law if it is a practical impossibility.

     Congress has yet to pass the law of gravity.

>I put freedom of association on the same lines as freedom to shit on the
>sidewalk.  

     If it's your sidewalk, go wild.

>Sure, you should be free to do it, but only an immature fool
>would want to.

     Being an immature fool is not against the law, nor should it be.

>FWA

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