HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: * IMPORTANT INFORMATION * - UseNet Pern fiction
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 00:36:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <718559525snx@keris.demon.co.uk> chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton) writes:
>I received this message from Anne McCaffrey on the subject of Pern fan
>fiction being published on electronic networks.

Sorry for breaking my own rule of quoting more than a screen of
text before anything original, but in this case, I feel its
justified in this case. Besides, this paragraph is new. Hmmmm.

>Fm: Anne McCaffrey

>The rules are that my characters may be referred to but not used.  BUT
>there can be no adventure/stories set on Pern at all!!!!!  That's
>infringing on my copyright and can bear heavy penalities - particularly
>right now when there's a film deal (yet another) which has bought and
>paid for the right to use the material - which, I fear, e-mail users
>have not.
>
>On CIS, I have asked people to limit Pern material to a discussion of
>their persona and dragons, fire-lizards, etc., in a diarist form.
>Fanzines have slightly more latitude as the zine is usually mailed only
>to members so that's limited publication, and a due copyright notice is
>included.  As there is no such protection on electronic mail, we authors
>have to be insistent on these safeguards.

IMHO, Anne should find lawyers with a clue. :)

But more seriously, this is all rather vague. We can ask 'what
happens after ATWOP' for example. We can proffer ideas. Perhaps
even define situations... where is the line drawn?

This also seems to imply that I cannot write a story and mail it
to a friend via email, as the possibility exists that the story
could later be posted. One could speculate further and suppose
that to write a story in electronic form and leave it in a site
of potentially compromised security (like, all of them) would be
in violation of copyright laws. Hell, it looks like writing a
story on paper and leaving it in a public place (like, say, a
locked safe where a thief could take it) is out of the question
as well.

Joys.

When will publishers learn that imitation is the highest form of
flattery?

How many books has Anne sold as a result of fan material as
advertisement (eg, the MUSHes)?

In any case, PernWARS will continue. :)

Joshua
|         A shimmering net undulating like an infinite borealis.             |
|                                                  - Chapterhouse: Dune      |
|                                                                            |
| jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca  Academic Computing Services, University of Calgary |
Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon
From: arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Subject: More Darkwing Merchandise
Status: RO
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 14:18:56 CDT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL16]

I like to order stuff through catalogs and as a result, they tend to
pass my address around and I get lots of catalogs in the mail (if I get
buried in them, I try to discourage them but that's another story).

Anyhow, today I got a "Just For Kids" catalog, phone number is
800 654 6963 if you want to call them.  They had some Darkwing stuff
that I hadn't seen before.

They have the towel for $20 that's the same towel the Disney catalog
has for $22.  They also have the 12" figure that I'm almost positive
is the same one I've seen in Toys R Us for $20 but here it's $31.95.
Then they have a watch for $8 and a different nightlight (not the
one with DW against the moon but instead it's an explosion with BOOM
in black letters) for $15.95.

The watch is cute.  The top flips open but it's his cape and on the
inside is his gas gun and a couple of lit bombs.  Plastic with a
digital display.
-- 
Stephanie da Silva                                    arielle@taronga.com
                 "Roo, Roodle, Apple Strudel!" -- Dale

Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon
From: pochron@picard.cs.wisc.edu (David Pochron)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Subject: That little jump Gosalyn does... (was: Re: Steer-minator/Note 2 Arielle)
Summary: Gosalyn landing
Keywords: Gosalyn DW
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:05:14 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <92286.123252RSL103@psuvm.psu.edu> <RSL103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>     Also, I have a question.  What's the title of the episode where, as seen
>in the opening credits, Drake Mallard's in bed and Gosalyn runs in and jumps
>feet first onto his stomach?  It's the only one I haven't seen yet.
>                                           R.S.Lindsay

Hmmm.  I always thought she landed somewhere else.... :-)

I can't recall the name of the episode! :-(

David Pochron   pochron@cs.wisc.edu
From: bickford@jimmy.dfci.harvard.edu (Paul Bickford)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Subject: Re: Don Karnage Cels...?
Date: 15 Oct 1992 13:59:07 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: jimmy.harvard.edu

>>  Can anyone lead me to a source of Don Karnage cels?
>
>I'm sorry to say that there are none.  [remainder deleted]
>Curt

  This is indeed most unfortunate. I'll be patient...
  In a related vein, are there any production cels of the evil-doers from DWD
available, or are they too considered a "no-demand" product?
From: RSL103@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Subject: Steer-minator/Note 2 Arielle
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:32:52 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


     Well, I was hoping they wouldn't bring Taurus Bulba back.  Not because I
didn't like him, but because we all thought he was killed in the explosion
on the St. Canard Tower.  It would be nice to see one of the bad guys on "D.A."
killed off once in a while.
     But they brought him back, and I LOVED it!!  This is unquestionably one
of the best episodes in the series.  I loved Darkwing's fight with Bulba;
they were going heavy on the Tex Avery-style gags there!!  Putting Darkwing
in a wheelchair was a nice twist.  Still, I wish they'd just left it open
after Bulba fell from the cliff into the river, as to whether he was dead or
not.  But no, they had to show him rocketing out of the water, like Dr. Claw
on "Inspector Gadget." ("I'll get you next time, Darkwing!  Next time!").
     By the way, did anyone catch that reference to the "Terminator" movies?
In "Terminator" and "Terminator 2," just when you thought the evil Termin-
ator was dead, he came back to life and launched another attack.  Same thing
with Bulba.  He short circuits his mechanical helmet-brain and Honker
determines he'll be out of action for a few hours till he cools off.  Then
Launchpad finally gets the rain going, which cools Bulba's hardware off, and
he falls over the cliff.  They all think he's dead until he rockets out from
the water.  Nice touch.
     Now, to Stephanie de Silva, it didn't surprise me that Gosalyn froze
momentarily when she first saw Bulba.  I'd freeze too if someone I thought was
dead, someone who dropped me off the St. Canard Tower, turned up alive.
     Also, I have a question.  What's the title of the episode where, as seen
in the opening credits, Drake Mallard's in bed and Gosalyn runs in and jumps
feet first onto his stomach?  It's the only one I haven't seen yet.
                                           R.S.Lindsay
Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon
From: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards)
Subject: RT schedule change
Reply-To: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 10:21:16 EDT
Return-Path: <sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com>
Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 10:19:46 EDT

I had programmed my VCR weeks ago to handle the Saturday morning
taping of RT, and this had worked well for the first three episodes.
I hadn't seen nor heard about any schedule change, and so my trusty
RCA taped a copy of the first RT episode instead of the current fourth
episode.  I assume that I wasn't the only victim of capricious
scheduling.

I was rather annoyed.  Who was responsible for this?  If they really
wanted to show two episodes, at least they could have put the new
episode in the proper timeslot.

 [The above opinions expressed are my own; not necessarily held by others.]
      == Steven J. Edwards           Bull HN Information Systems Inc. ==
      == (508) 294-3484              300 Concord Road         MS 820A ==
      == sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com     Billerica, MA 01821          USA ==
"That Government which Governs the Least, Governs Best." -- Thomas Jefferson
From: curt@foundation.wpd.sgi.com (Curt Schimmel)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Subject: Re: Don Karnage Cels...?
Date: 16 Oct 1992 18:01:39 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: foundation.wpd.sgi.com

In <1bjtfbINN6k8@early-bird.think.com> bickford@jimmy.dfci.harvard.edu (Paul Bickford) writes:

>>>  Can anyone lead me to a source of Don Karnage cels?
>>
>>I'm sorry to say that there are none.  [remainder deleted]
>>Curt

>  This is indeed most unfortunate. I'll be patient...
>  In a related vein, are there any production cels of the evil-doers from DWD
>available, or are they too considered a "no-demand" product?


I believe their "no villains" policy applies to all of the Disney
Afternoon shows.  I'm not absolutely positive about any show except
TaleSpin, since that's the only one I collect from, but I've never seen
villains from any of the other shows (except for the "one episode"
villains) in any catalog nor in any of the animation galleries at
either Disneyland or Disney World.

A little encouragement may help speed up the release of the next block
of cels, hopefully with some villains in it this time.  I suggest
writing to them, as I have, to let them know how you feel.  The address
is:

	Disney Art Editions
	Customer Relations
	500 S. Buena Vista St.
	Burbank, CA  91521-8590

Curt
From: agent99@kretin.infoserv.com (Wendy Lee)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Subject: Re: Launchpad Question
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 22:26:58 EDT
Organization: Darkwing Tower

> Stephanie da Silva (arielle@taronga.com) wrote:
> > In at least two episodes -- Hush, Hush Sweet Charlatan and Star Crossed
> > Circuits -- Launchpad is shown sans helmet with a full head of hair.

He also has hair in Trading Faces.  (Just remembered that one. ;-)  LP, in
Honker's body, wears his helmet and scarf, while Honker, in LP's body,
wears his glasses.  I can't remember what happens to Honker's backpack.

 --
 Wendy Lee (agent99@kretin.infoserv.com)
 "Who writes for this show anyway?  They're going out of their way to make
  me look bad!" -- Darkwing Duck
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:58:17 EDT
From: <RSL103@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Subject: Re: The WDTA Quotes File as of 10/13/92

From "Rescue Rangers"
     MONTY (in reference to Dale):  He's lost his mind|
     CHIP:  It was never there in the first place.

     MONTY:  We're not gonna have any problems (with the Ranger plane) here
             are we, Gadget love?  I mean, uh.....not like last time.
     GADGET:  Oh, Monty|  How many times can the wings fall off a plane?
     MONTY:   I dunno.  You tell ME|
Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon
From: arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Subject: Re: Launchpad Question
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:15:11 GMT
Organization: Taronga Park BBS

klein@frith.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein) writes:
> I can deal with LP getting dopier and goofier between DuckTales
> and Darkwing Duck, but why did he lose most of his hair?

The only episode where he's shown with no hair is "Heavy Mental" and
that's the one where his head swells up cause Sarah Bellum gave him
psychic powers.

In at least two episodes -- Hush, Hush Sweet Charlatan and Star Crossed
Circuits -- Launchpad is shown sans helmet with a full head of hair.
-- 
Stephanie da Silva                                    arielle@taronga.com
                 "Roo, Roodle, Apple Strudel!" -- Dale
From: agent99@kretin.infoserv.com (Wendy Lee)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Subject: Re: Launchpad Question
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 21:46:08 EDT
Organization: Darkwing Tower

arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva) writes:

> The only episode where he's shown with no hair is "Heavy Mental" and
> that's the one where his head swells up cause Sarah Bellum gave him
> psychic powers.

He's also shown with no hair in "BATTLE OF THE BRAINTEASERS."


 --
 Wendy Lee (agent99@kretin.infoserv.com)
 "Who writes for this show anyway?  They're going out of their way to make
  me look bad!" -- Darkwing Duck
From: agent99@kretin.infoserv.com (Wendy Lee)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Subject: Re: Steer-minator/Note 2 Arielle
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 17:21:33 EDT
Organization: Darkwing Tower

arielle@NeoSoft.com (Stephanie da Silva) writes:

> In article <92286.123252RSL103@psuvm.psu.edu> <RSL103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> >      Also, I have a question.  What's the title of the episode where, as se
> > in the opening credits, Drake Mallard's in bed and Gosalyn runs in and jump
> > feet first onto his stomach?  It's the only one I haven't seen yet.
> 
> That Sinking Feeling?

That's the right episode.

 --
 Wendy Lee (agent99@kretin.infoserv.com)
 "Who writes for this show anyway?  They're going out of their way to make
  me look bad!" -- Darkwing Duck
Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon
From: arielle@NeoSoft.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Subject: Re: Steer-minator/Note 2 Arielle
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:38:04 GMT

In article <92286.123252RSL103@psuvm.psu.edu> <RSL103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>      Also, I have a question.  What's the title of the episode where, as seen
> in the opening credits, Drake Mallard's in bed and Gosalyn runs in and jumps
> feet first onto his stomach?  It's the only one I haven't seen yet.

That Sinking Feeling?
Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon,rec.humor
From: jv@irus.rri.uwo.ca (Jeffrey Verhagen)
Subject: Re: Wayne's World query
Organization: none
Distribution: uk
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:58:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.163341.21135@gdr.bath.ac.uk> bsstrs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (T R Stickland) writes:
>In the referenced article, mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
>>Shouldn't it be funny or something?
>>
>
>It's American, => I believe we may accept the null hypothesis that it will
>contain no more humour than any randomly selected TV broadcast
>
Well, I'm Canadian, and I thought it was very funny. I believe that 
familiarity with the Saturday Night Live program (from which the
characters originated) is perhaps necessary for greater enjoyment.
Also, the show makes references to American movies, television series,
rock music, etc... - references which may not be funny outside of 
their American cultural context. Overall, I thought it was a fun,
"feel-good" movie with some really great gags.

Jeff...
Xref: sparky alt.fan.disney.afternoon:145 rec.humor:30826
From: bsstrs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (T R Stickland)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon,rec.humor
Subject: Re: Wayne's World query
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:33:41 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
>Shouldn't it be funny or something?
>

It's American, => I believe we may accept the null hypothesis that it will
contain no more humour than any randomly selected TV broadcast

-- 
# Tim Stickland,   School of Biology,  #  A politician uses science like a    #
# Univ. of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY,  U.K.  #  drunk uses a lamp post -            #
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From: bickford@jimmy.dfci.harvard.edu (Paul Bickford)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Subject: Don Karnage Cels...?
Date: 14 Oct 1992 14:01:09 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: jimmy.harvard.edu

  All right, I need your help:
  I am looking for an original production cel of Don Karnage, but have been
unable to find one through the normal channels (ie: dealers, collectors, and
galleries that I know -- including Disney). It puzzles me that production
cels from T.S. are available (and have been for quite some time), but none of
Don seem to be available.
  Can anyone lead me to a source of Don Karnage cels?

  Thanks in advance,

  Paul Bickford
  bickford@jimmy.harvard.edu
From: curt@foundation.wpd.sgi.com (Curt Schimmel)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Subject: Re: Don Karnage Cels...?
Date: 15 Oct 1992 01:28:45 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: foundation.wpd.sgi.com

In <1bh975INN3i2@early-bird.think.com> bickford@jimmy.dfci.harvard.edu (Paul Bickford) writes:

>  All right, I need your help:
>  I am looking for an original production cel of Don Karnage, but have been
>unable to find one through the normal channels (ie: dealers, collectors, and
>galleries that I know -- including Disney). It puzzles me that production
>cels from T.S. are available (and have been for quite some time), but none of
>Don seem to be available.
>  Can anyone lead me to a source of Don Karnage cels?


I'm sorry to say that there are none.  I've discovered this from
talking to numerous galleries and finally by talking to someone at
Disney Art Editions (the part of the Walt Disney Co. that distributes
animation art to dealers).  The reason is, believe it or not, that they
didn't think anyone would want them!  (There are some rumors that a
very small number of cels with Don Karnage were available at the
beginning of the release, but if so, those are long gone).  Only the
"good guy" characters are available at this point (Baloo, Becky, Kit,
Wildcat, and Louie), none of the major villains, not even Sher Khan
(sp?) are available.  There a few Col. Spigot's around, and quite a few
cels containing Mr. Perry, the villain from the episode "Baloo Thunder"
(for some reason, they released a lot of cels from this episode, as
well as from "Louie's Last Stand").  A number of other misc. (i.e.
one episode) characters are also around, always teamed up with one
or more of the major characters.

The good news is that they seem to now realize that Don Karnage cels
are in demand and indications are they will release some.  The bad news
is this won't be for some time.  Unfortunately, the way Disney Art
Editions works is that they pull a block of cels from the archives and
then distributes those to dealers over time.  *Only* when that block of
cels is depleted, will they go back to the archives to pull another
block.  Since there are no Don Karnage cels in the present block of
cels, we have to wait until they sell off the whole block they have
now.  The other bad news is that they've announced a price increase of
$50-100 per cel for TV animation.  So by the time we can get what we
want, it'll cost more.

On the bright side though, there are a lot of excellent TS cels out
there right now (I own two of them myself).

Unfortunately, Disney Art Editions knows they control the market and
knows the demand will still be there regardless of how long it takes
them to finally release what people want.  So they just have no
motivation or interest in being responsive.  Sigh.

Curt
Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon
From: danderso@nmsu.edu (David Anderson)
Subject: Tailspin Question 
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:10:20 GMT

Hi Everyone!

I was wondering if anyone out there could post a list of the Tailspin
episodes.  Also, I was wondering if all of the episodes are out on
video tape.  I am a Talespin fan, but don't have a TV or VCR down here
at school so I cannot watch it.

Thanks

David
danderso@nmsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon,rec.humor
From: mccalley@rtsg.mot.com (Phil McCalley)
Subject: Re: Wayne's World query
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: uk
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:52:09 GMT

jv@irus.rri.uwo.ca (Jeffrey Verhagen) writes:

>In article <1992Oct9.163341.21135@gdr.bath.ac.uk> bsstrs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (T R Stickland) writes:
>>In the referenced article, mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
>>>Shouldn't it be funny or something?
>>>
>>
>>It's American, => I believe we may accept the null hypothesis that it will
>>contain no more humour than any randomly selected TV broadcast
>>
>Well, I'm Canadian, and I thought it was very funny. I believe that 
>familiarity with the Saturday Night Live program (from which the
>characters originated) is perhaps necessary for greater enjoyment.
>Also, the show makes references to American movies, television series,
>rock music, etc... - references which may not be funny outside of 
>their American cultural context. Overall, I thought it was a fun,
>"feel-good" movie with some really great gags.

>Jeff...

Jeff = Pee Wee Herman
-- 
....................................................... Phil McCalley

mccalley@marble.rtsg.mot.com
uunet!motcid!mccalley
Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon
From: arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Subject: Tale Spin shows outside the USA
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:05:35 GMT

superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand) writes:
> 
>  Watched it yesterday and it's getting better. Translation still awful
>  though. I like the backdrops and the animation. 

That is one thing that's been discussed a lot on the mailing list -- how
Tale Spin is so very American and how it would translate to other countries.
A few things in particular -- all the signs written in English.  How do
you deal with the signs?  Is it lost or do most people know enough English
to understand?  In particular is the name of Becky's company -- Hire
For Hire.  I'm sure the pun gets lost in the translation.  What is Hire
For Higher called in Swedish?
Another thing is the Thembrians.  They were very loosely based on the
Soviets (before the break up) and had Russian accents.  What sort of
accents do they have in the overdubbed versions?

> |> You should already have it through some cable link-up, or so I've
> |> been told.
> 
>  But Stephanie, I don't got cable-TV(sob sob) and I can't afford it right now.

Everyone on the net just about has told me that it's very expensive.
However, my in-laws were just in Portugal and have told me that just
about everyone there has satellite dishes to hook into the cable-tv
which surprised me cause it goes against what I've heard on the net!
-- 
Stephanie da Silva                                    arielle@taronga.com
                 "Roo, Roodle, Apple Strudel!" -- Dale
From: agent99@kretin.infoserv.com (Wendy Lee)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Subject: Re: Darkwing, Goof Troop, Raw Toonage, *Spoilers*
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 17:20:25 EDT
Organization: Darkwing Tower

alberti@ux.acs.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:

> As we all know, Steelbeak is really a grown-up Fowlmouth (from TINY TOON
> ADVENTURES), who lost his beak in a fit of new-age rage from Shirley the
> Loon.  He then turned to a life of crime...  ;-)

And the lab guys at F.O.W.L. gave him a new, "Shirley-proof" beak.  ;-)

 --
 Wendy Lee (agent99@kretin.infoserv.com)
 "Who writes for this show anyway?  They're going out of their way to make
  me look bad!" -- Darkwing Duck
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