From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 04:14:30 GMT

jd> Jeff Dauber
gs> Gary Strand

jd> God I hate arguing with libertarians, they are bozos with no reading
jd> comprehension.

  I wasn't the one who made claims (for what purpose, I do not know) about
  het white males being the bane of civilized people everywhere. I tried to
  re-direct the discussion to another topic, but you're stuck on SWMs. Too
  bad.

jd> I don't think that white heterosexual males are inherently bad people.

gs> That's not the impression I've gotten from your posts. You seem to think
gs> that there is something inherent in SWMs that makes them bad/evil. Other-
gs> wise, since some of them are in power, why are things so messed up?

jd> This is something that you are reading in.  Nothing more.

gs> Well, you seem to be drawing some sort of correlation between the SWMs that
gs> constitute the bulk of power elite, the current crappy state of the world,
gs> which is the elite's fault, and SWMs in general. Else, why bring up SWMs?

jd> No, that is where you led the conversation.  If you remember correctly we
jd> were discussing how the people with power tend to discriminate against 
jd> those without.

  Not quite. You specifically mentioned SWMs as the main holders of this power,
  and neglected to note that I mentioned other non-SWMs who have had power
  and who were no less likely to abuse it to discriminate against others. 
  Your memory is too short. I'm sure that Alexander the Great, renowned gay,
  didn't abuse his power one bit. The difference here is between those who
  have power (regardless of superficial characteristics) and those who do
  not. I wonder how libertarians would fare under a system in which gays
  had most of the power. Your responses to me don't indiciate that you'd be
  too charitable.

jd> HMs between 16-25 tend to commit hate crimes against gays.  We are not
jd> talking about the level of violence in the street.  We are talking about
jd> people looking for a faggot to beat up.

  How many HMs between 16-25 would you say commit "hate crimes" against gays?
  What percentage?

  And how many of these HMs would you say commit acts of violence against
  others, the person being gay just one more "excuse" to beat the crap out
  of them? Given the high number of gang-related shootings across the coun-
  try, I'd say that these punks will bash anyone they don't like, gays being
  just one group of many. They even inflict damage on each other. Amazing.

jd> I have never been gay bashed by a gay man.  I know of no one who has.  Gay
jd> men do not commit hate crimes against gay men.

  Are there racist gays? Anti-semitic gays? Non-religious gays who like to 
  bash Christian gays? Of course gays don't bash other gays for being gay.
  There's lots of reasons people can hate each other. Gays are hardly a 
  monolithic group, as you ought to know.

jd> Gosh, you are a bozo... Yawn.. into my kill file...

  This means that you and Ted Kaldis have at least one thing in common. You
  both have dropped me into KILL files because you get so irritated. He had
  the gall to put "Fuck you Gary Strand" in his Subject: line once, though.

  Pity you'll never see this.

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