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From: rickc@pogo.wv.tek.com (Rick Clements)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: games
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:05:41 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <1992Apr16.233620.4268@sol.UVic.CA> fell@sol.UVic.CA (Stuart Fell) writes:
>Does anyone have any good indoor game suggestions.  Our troup has

>Any good wide game suggestions??

>We are getting low on ideas and our boys are wanting some new games...

The archive for SCOUTS-L has a file on games.

If you send a message to "LISTSERV@TCUBVM.BITNET", with "GET SCOUTS-L GAMES"
in the body.  You will be sent pages of games.  If you put "INDEX SCOUTS-L" on
an other line, you will get a list of the files in the archive.
-- 
Rick Clements (RickC@pogo.WV.TEK.COM)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: don@q-aais.navo.navy.mil (Don Newcomb)
Subject: Re: games
Summary: One game to avoid
Reply-To: newcomb@navo.navy.mil (Don Newcomb)
Organization: U.S. Naval Oceanographic Office
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 12:59:07 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-8522]: q-aais.navo.navy.mil

In article <1992Apr16.233620.4268@sol.UVic.CA> fell@sol.UVic.CA (Stuart Fell) writes:
>Does anyone have any good indoor game suggestions.  Our troup has
>boys of such different physical builds that the games need to be fair
>to the boys...
>
>Any good wide game suggestions??
>
>We are getting low on ideas and our boys are wanting some new games...

We had an ASM who was always bringing in ideas for great games. One
that he found was to give each patrol a large sheet of cardboard which
was a "liferaft". The boys would pick up the "raft" and carry it a 
distance toward the finish line. When the ASM blew a whistle "sharks"
were  in the water and all the boys had to get on the raft. When he
blew it again the "sharks" were gone and they would carry the raft
again. Anyone not entirely on the raft when the sharks were present
would be "eaten" and had to get out of the game.

In the exuberance of the game and jostling to get on the "raft" one
boy's arm was under the cardboard  when the others jumped "onboard".
He suffered a broken arm. We don't play this game any more.


Donald R. Newcomb                 * Make yourselves good scouts and good
U.S. Naval Oceanographic Office   * rifle shots in order to protect the
Stennis Space Center, MS 39522    * women and children of your country if
Phone: (601) 688-5998             * it should ever become necessary.
Email: newcomb@navo.navy.mil      * --Lord Baden-Powell: Scouting for Boys(1908)
From: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com (Bob Haar)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: BSA & United Way funding (was Boy, wouldn't THAT be a shame?)
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:41:48 GMT
Reply-To: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com
Organization: G.M. Research Labs

In article 24939@en.ecn.purdue.edu, ditto () writes:
|>In article <1992Apr14.133347.23005@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> mpb@troy.uucp (27331-bunz) writes:
|>>Well, it looks like the United Way in San Fransisco has given their
|>>local Councils the boot.  Is it time to put some pressure on them by
|>>withholding donations to other United Way Chapters, and giving directly
|>>to your local council, to see if they can change the San Fransisco Chapter's
|>>mind?
|>
|>Just a thought - we could all write National instead, and see if we can
|>get the discriminatory policies that caused the United Way to withdraw
|>funding eliminated. Then, I'm sure the UW would be more than happy to
|>resume funds for the SF area Boy Scout troops.
|>

First, I would like to get some hard facts. Here in the Midwest, we
don't get much news coverage of local events in California.

Was the issue  discrimination on the basis of gender or sexual orientation
or religious belief? 

Did BSA (national or local council) withhold information from the
United Way or where the open about BSA's policies?

Did the S.F. United Way change its position based solely on public
opinion or activist pressure, or was there some change in the rules
about who gets funding?

I am under the impression that the regional United Way organizations
are quite independent. If that is the case, I cannot see that any action
in other parts of the country would influence the San Francisco
area U.W.


Personal comment -  Although I have doubts about BSA's policies
regarding gender and sexual orientation, I do believe that
religious belief is a significant part of scouting.  If BSA had
to choose, I would prefer that BSA gave up all U.W. funding rather
than drop the religious requirements.



		Bob Haar
		Scouting Coordinator,  Troop and Pack 188
		Ojibwa District, Clinton Valley Council. BSA
		Rochester Hills, Michigan

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	Robert Haar               InterNet : rhaar@gmr.com 
	Computer Science Dept., G.M. Research Laboratories
DISCLAIMER: Unless indicated otherwise, everything in this note is
personal opinion, not an official statement of General Motors Corp.

Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: whs70@dancer.uucp (24411-sohl)
Subject: Re: It'd Be A Shame
Reply-To: whs70@dancer.UUCP ()
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 14:45:34 GMT

In article <jce.702562539@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu> jce@cs.scarolina.edu (James C. Evans) writes:
>dpfabie@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David Paul Fabie) writes:
>>The BSA does not discriminate on the basis of religion,
>>we discriminate on the basis of a lack of religion.  All that the BSA 
>>asks is that its members hold a belief in God, whether that god is Allah
>>or Jesus or the great blue crystal in the corner of your bedroom makes
>>no difference.  The idea that there is a higher power to which we as
>>beings of concious, were created by.  That's all.
>
>I didn't realize that BSA attributes to "God" any particular properties,
>such as that "God" is a "being", or that "God" has actually done anything
>in particular.  Am I wrong about this?

To the best of knowledge, they (BSA) don't specify any specific God
and or any specific attributes or properties.
My understanding is that scouts are required, expected (fill in
whatever you feel is a comfortable way to describe it) to 
believe in a supreme being (again, that could be entity, presence,
etc.)  I had a discussion with our local council prior to my
son submitting his application for eagle scout.  We were not
members of any organized church, however, we are essentially of
Christian beliefs.  My concern was with the signature section
of the application which was for a recommendation from a minister
or some member of the clergy.  

As it turned out, that section does NOT need to be filled out, as
long as there are three valid recommendations from other reputable
individuals (business leaders, municipal officials, school
teachers, etc.)  If the question had come up during my son's
eagle board of review as to why he did not have a recommendation from a
religious leader, he would have explained that we (as a family)
belive in God and practice our Christian beliefs on a personal and
family level as opposed to belonging to a specific church.

So, as the original commentor mentioned, this would certainly allow
(In my opinion) anyone with any belief in a supreme being/entity
to honestly fulfill the BSA's religious/reverent requirments.
The individual who would not be able to honestly comply with this
would be an atheist.  

Bill Sohl, Budd Lake, NJ Troop 62 Committee, (Scoutmaster 1987-88)

Standard Disclaimer- Any opinions, etc. are mine and NOT my employer's.
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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: Pamela Kay <szafrans@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: But I want my girls in Scouting!
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:20:22 -0500

>A girl can only get the silver award during her three years as a Caddette.  In
>order to get the Gold Award, she must finish the requirements by the (I forget
>which) September or October after she turns 18 or graduates from high school.
>Whichever comes first.  The project for the award MUST take four months to
>complete.  After the planning is all done.

The Silver and Gold Award each take approximately 18 months to complete,
from the start of the very first requirement to the completion of the
Award Project.  

A Silver or Gold Award application (Intent to earn) must be completed
before the planning stage of the Award activity.  You must have council
approval at least 6 weeks prior to putting the plan into action.

"Develop an action plan that will require your committment and effort
over a period of at least four months".  If the actual project is an
event, it need not take four months, but the effort into getting it
off of the ground (other than the planning) must take at least four months.

A Gold Award may be earned by a Girl Scout who is 14-17 years of age.
If she starts college, while she is still 17, she may have until
September 30 of that year or until she turns 18, whichever is later.

I posted a long synopsis of Older Girl Recognitions if you would like a
copy I will be happy to send it.

Pam
Yes, I am *still* a Girl Scout.
From: mcbeanb@brandonu.ca
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Bashing Problem Solved
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:44:40 GMT
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

Not a problem!

From what I've read on the group, all we need to do is define the boy
scouts in a slightly different light than is usual.  Everybody is
complaining about how boy scouts discriminate against certain sexualities
and religions (or lack of)...

So why not just say "The Boy Scouts are a group of homophobics who believe
in God."

Case closed.

I'm serious, and this is not a flame.

Brian McBean  -  McBeanB@BrandonU.Ca
From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: It'd Be A Shame
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:56:33 GMT
Organization: Summit NJ

>>Well, it looks like the United Way in San Fransisco has given their
>>local Councils the boot.  Is it time to put some pressure on them by
>>withholding donations to other United Way Chapters, and giving directly
>>to your local council, to see if they can change the San Fransisco Chapter's
>>mind?
>
>Replace homosexual with left handed and athiest with Jewish and see how your
>arguments sound. At one time people actually believed that there was something
>wrong with being left handed, why are you unable to see through your own brain
>washing, do you truly believe that someone is inferior just because they have
>a preference for the same sex?

There are several problems and issues here which make these comparisons
meaningless.  A deviant sexual lifestyle is something a person can
control, unlike the stronger hand, so comparing the two is meaningless.
The issue also is clearly whether a man who loves another man is a proper
role model for 11-17 year old boys; very simply, no way!  Even if it
is "normal" behavior, it's still not a proper role model.  

A comparison of religion to atheism is also on different levels.  At
least in the case of Judaism, I'm a Jew because my mother is a Jew.
No matter what I personally believe, as far as the Jewish community
is concerned, I'm a life member.  Atheism is a voluntary choice,
and a choice that I don't have (and I'm sure a choice a lot of
other people really don't have either, as they already accepted
a religion while still dependent children).

The attacks on BSA are simply whether a religious belief and proper
moral behavior are correct, and preferred, attitudes that pre-teens
and teens should be taught and expected to follow.  I can only repeat
what I posted a few weeks ago-  I think we, as a society, would be a
heck of a lot better off if we promoted such values instead of
fighting them.  It's the immoral behavior, such as deviant sex,
non-monogamous sex, drugs, and lack of religious values that is doing
a number on our society now.  And when an organization exists that,
at least theoretically (but that's another story), tries to preserve
these values, instead of being hailed, it's blasted.
-- 
Stan Krieger                     All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
AT&T UNIX System Laboratories    if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ
smk@usl.com
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: Pamela Kay <szafrans@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Abandonment of BSA by the PTA
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:56:16 -0500


>Re: BSA requiring that the chartering organization perform the background
>checks on its adult leaders, and GSUSA (Girl Scouts USA) not having any
>such requirement.

>1. Girl Scouts USA does their own checking.  I (and every other leader) had to
>submit 3 letters of reference, and the troop organizer talked to at least
>one of them and to me.

Your individual Girl Scout council's policy on this may vary according
to their ByLaw and Policies and Procedures.    The Girl Scout Council 
serving the Des Moines, IA area (which is most of southern Iowa) requires
a criminal records check for all volunteers.  This is certainly much
more complete than 3 letters of reference.  It is GSUSA policy for
leaders to go through a standard application process, and sign a letter
of agreement to abide by Safetywise, the council Policies and Procedures.
This allows the council leverage in removing a leader should they prove
unable for whatever reason to perform their position as troop leader.

>2. Girl Scouts USA does not charter troops.  Some critical mass of girls
>collect, a leader is appointed, and the leader finds a meeting place.

The national organization GSUSA only charters individual Girl Scout
Councils.  A Council is rechartered every 6 years.  Prior to being
rechartered the council must submit itself to a rather intense and
detailed examination process.  It must complete self evaluations
(involving many different volunteer's input), it is evaluated by
National staff.  Many council hours are utilitzed in this process.

The formation of troop is not exactly as stated either.  Interest
in a troop is noted.  A leader is then recruited, application 
is taken (and in this case approved), a leader is trained (in
some council's before they even get the names of the potential
members of the troop, other cases within the first year...your mileage
may vary :).  It is the job of the Troop Organizer or Service Unit
manager to assist the leader in securing a meeting place, and obtaining
a troop sponsor.  The leader may wish (for her convenience) to do
this herself, but it certainly not her responsibility.

Pam
Yes, I a *still* a Girl Scout!!
From: dbader@eng.umd.edu (David A. Bader)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Vigil Honor in the OA...
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:47:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: eng.1992Apr06.164701.22441
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: dbader@tea.eng.umd.edu


I have been a Vigil Honor chairman in Witauchsoman Lodge #44, Minsi Trails Council, and also
the advisor..  I have put together my own personal guide to the entire process of 'Vigil',
but have never been able to discuss it with other lodges (my lodge always was the "leader" in
my section, so conclaves weren't much help...)  If you'd like to trade stories, please reply!
(PERSONAL email, DO NOT POST to the newsgroup.)

  David A. Bader
  Notaski - he who thinks.

Maryland Address:                Permanent Address:
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Internet: dbader@eng.umd.edu
From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Eagle Court of Honor Question
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:48:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Summit NJ

I'm new to the job of Eagle Advisor, and a boy who will be having his
Court of Honor in about two months asked me a question I couldn't
answer.

I know that at Courts of Honor, congratulations letters from big
shots, like the President and the Pope, are read.  How are such
letters requested and who notifies whom and how?  In short, what
is the process for getting or soliciting such letters?

Thanks in advance for any advice.
-- 
Stan Krieger                     All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
AT&T UNIX System Laboratories    if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ
smk@usl.com
From: nama3200@Oswego.EDU (Bill Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Eagle Court of Honor Question
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:59:39 GMT
Reply-To: nama3200@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Bill Wood)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY

In article <1992Apr10.140952.21104@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>Stan Krieger writes:
>
>>I know that at Courts of Honor, congratulations letters from big
>>shots, like the President and the Pope, are read.  How are such
>>letters requested and who notifies whom and how?  In short, what
>>is the process for getting or soliciting such letters?
>
>I'd suggest sending an invitation to the president, senators and 
>congressperson.  That should ilicit a response even if they do have to decline 
>due to other obligations.
>
>     - pat

Either that, or I believe that just a letter will do.  The White House handles
lots of them at a time. 
   Remember a few years ago when the Eagle got a letter from the prez  
 (I think at the time, Ronny) wishing him a happy 80th birthday???

P.S. I didn't know that the Pope sent letters out also.  Gee, for my COH I
only got them from prez, local, state & fed legislatures...

Bill Wood   Eagle class '89
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: twnv6@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: It'd Be A Shame
Reply-To: twnv6@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:35:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.012054.21412@uwm.edu>, dpfabie@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David Paul Fabie) writes:
>In article <1992Apr04.162443.8497@digibd.com> merlyn@digibd.com (Merlyn LeRoy) writes:>>of religion.
>
>Mr. Sohl, The BSA does not discriminate on the basis of religion,
>we discriminate on the basis of a lack of religion. 
                                   ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^^
	I am a Wiccan, which is a form of religion, would I be allowed in?
(Other than the fact that I am female)  Probably not.

 All that the BSA 
>asks is that its members hold a belief in God, whether that god is Allah
>or Jesus or the great blue crystal in the corner of your bedroom makes
>no difference.  The idea that there is a higher power to which we as
>...........
>Just a few thoughts . . .
>
>- Dave
>-- 
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>University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee  *  merely select." - David Kirby
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From: brunner@brchh87.bnr.ca (James Brunner)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: VOTE FOR SLITTING rec.scouting
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:40:26 GMT
Reply-To: brunner@brchh87.bnr.ca (James Brunner)

Geez... don't you all have subject kill capability in your newsreaders?
I use "xrn" on a UNIX workstation and simply PERMANENTLY kill any inflamitory
or potentially inflamitory articles.  I CHOOSE not to be bothered.  If we
stop responding, the flames will die.  In fact, this topic is being killed
as soon as I hit send...
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All opinions are my own and have nothing whatsoever to do with BNR, NT,
NTI, Bell Canada, or any of the BCE corporations or affiliates.
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: A SCOUT IS .......
Keywords: Courtesy
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:26:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: chaos.bill.702865570
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

daveh@compnect.UUCP (Dave Hultberg) writes:

>I was elated when this newsgroup was created.  Here at last was a
>proper forum to exchange ideas with other Scouts and Scouters
>worldwide.  I looked forward to some very productive exchanges.  Instead
>of world Scouting I find a continous flamewar over BSA policies that
>consumes 90% or more of the bandwidth.  I do not propose censorship of
>these topics, but I do urge those on both sides to remember what they
>were taught in Scouts.  The Scout oath and laws may differ in various
>countries, but they all embrace similar principles.  How many of you
>tossing firebombs remember the meaning of a Scout is .... friendly,
>courteous, kind, ....., cheerful, ......? 

i've been waiting for the forest fire to die down also.

>I would also like to point out that young boys and girls could be
>reading what you are posting.  Not everyone reading this group is at a
>university, business or government site.  I would like my Cub Scouts to
>be able to use this newsgroup to exchange Scouting related ideas with
>Scouts in other countries.  

same. and it's a waste of my time to write filters for news.
ot bad if others think that i shouldn't, imho 7-8 yr olds aren't
quite ready for some of the things i've seen here recently.


>I won't ask you to stop debating BSA policy regarding the three Gs. 
>That would be both unrealistic and wrong.  The debate is good for the
>health of the organization.  While I don't understand homosexuality
>myself, I am willing to listen to rational debate on whether or not gays
                                   ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
>should be openly accepted by BSA.  I'm already convinced that we should
>allow girls to join Scouts just as they do in Canada, Australia, UK and
>other countries.  I am also open to discussing BSA's opposition to
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^
>athesists.  Having said that, I want to also point out that insults and
>flames won't convince me or anyone else that you have good arguments. 
>If you resort to insulting and flaming those that disagree with you, you
>hav lost the debate.  Let the discussions continue, but let each of us
>please try to act like Scouts.

here here!
bill pociengel
river falls wi
pack 457 den 4
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bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: newt@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Brian Patrick Casey)
Subject: Request for information
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: rec.scouting
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:18:51 GMT

Hi there, I am looking for any and all Scouters who have either camped at
or staffed Bayern High Adventure Camp (Also known as Camp Bayern) In    
Transatlantic Council.  I was staffed there from 1987-1991 and was 
Program Director there for the past three years.  I am trying to put
together a staff alumni directory.  Any former TAC Scouters out there
who have been to BHAC please respond via E-mail.

Thanks!

- Dave
From: dadams@cherry.cray.com (David Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Spanish Scouting
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:14:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Originator: dadams@cherry


In article <45367@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, dmast@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (David Mast) writes:

> 	I went to spain in 1990, and my family was very involved in
> Scouting.  They call their troops "Scouts" just like here, but wtih
> the usual spanish accent. 
                    ^^^^^^

I assume this is "eh-scouts".
From: Pamela Kay <szafrans@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: But I want my girls in Scouting!
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:27:06 -0500

>A Gold Award may be earned by a Girl Scout who is 14-17 years of age.
>If she starts college, while she is still 17, she may have until
>September 30 of that year or until she turns 18, whichever is later.

oops...I was interrupted by the kids..and lost my train of thought :((

it should read:

A Gold Award may be earned by a Girl Scout who is 14-17 years of age, or
in grade 9-12.  If she starts college, while she is still 17, she may have
until September 30 of that membership year, or until she turns 18,
whichever is first.  

sorry for that confusion

Pam
Yes, I am *still* a Girl Scout...

and I will get you a drink of water *later*, now go upstairs...




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