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From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: swords
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:17:41 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Nov13.193411.97981@watson.ibm.com> mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman) writes:
>Greetings from Arval!  Lin wrote:
>
>> Most of us have been fortunate enough not to encounter *real* danger at
>> events, but how do we *know* whether it doesn't occur or whether we just
>> happened not to hear about it?  The Populace never sees the reports of the
>> constabulary...  how could It know if where the problems might be?
>
>An excellent point.  It has always bothered me that no reports from
>security and the chirurgeons at events (and notably at Pennsic) are
>published.  Of course the specific details of specific incidents should not
>be available, but it seems common-sense to provide a general summary.

I agree absolutely, and plan on making such reports available...I
think it will likely reassure people to read continuous lines of:

nov12, masked ball, two cars w lights left on
                    lost tankard.
                    ride home for HHHH (drunk)

nov26, ferret feast, bmyrgan, one mundane turned away at door
                              child wandered off, found at
                              head table on kings knee

jan12 twelth night, Cut on hand, to hosp. for stitches
                    two lost trnechers, found undertunic
                    and one sock (hee hee).


...And so on.

Carolus Malvoix
Montengarde An Tir
Deputy Const.
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
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Subject: Group activity..
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:59:14

 DS> I join Tibor in his question about "What do 
 DS> kingdoms do for local groups
 DS> that requires 'recompense' in the form of hosting an event?"  I guess
 DS> I'd also like to ask "What do kingdoms do for local 
 DS> groups?" in general,
 DS> too, since it seems to me the primary role of the kingdom level seems
 DS> to be ensuring that local groups report up the chain.  
 Ah, I think I just figured out part of my direction to my answers.  
 The requirement of event-holding is levied by the Kingdom-official on 
 behalf of the Kingdom-general.  That is, the rule is in place so that 
 those who are giving events are recompensed by others giving events. 
    Gwenllian Cwmystwyth
       Steppes, Ansteorra

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From: tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: "period" wristwatches
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:32:56 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

In article <ewright.722106321@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:

>were worn on necklaces and other jewelry.  The first wristwatch
>we know of is the one recorded as a gift to Queen Elizabeth from 
>one of her courtiers, so that's also period (for the Queen of 
>England, at least).
>
>-- Nicholas van Leyden

Before everybody and their brother uses this as an excuse to wear thier Timex
to SCA events, let me point out that Elizabeth's watch, and most watches up 
until the mid 1700's and later, were Verge and Foliot escapements.  Most modern
watches are cylinder escapements (and the rare chronometer escapement), 
and are thus 1800's and after...   

So unless you happen to have such an escapement, it ain't period so put
it away...  :)
From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Hole in the Wall and other baroque dances
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:12:34

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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: European vs American
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:54:50 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

 (Mary Shafer) writes:

>The trophy is lucite, silver (or chrome), and oak, so there was no
>difficulty with my using flash.  Textiles, of course, might be more
>sensitive.  Perhaps a tripod and fastish film?

Many museums do allow legitimate researchers to use flash photography, 
even for books and textiles.  While the light from a flash is intense, 
it is also very brief, so the damage isn't great as long as the item
isn't photographed too often.  Plus, few museums have the money to
pay a staff member to stand around and watch someone doing 15-minute
time exposures.

-- Nicholas van Leyden
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: "period" wristwatches
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:05:21 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Richard Britnell of Salisbury (G.Guth) wrote:

: On the topic of telling the time, just when were the first pocket watches
: made?  I have a feeling that they, in their earliest forms, are not too
: OOP.
: 
: Which leads to another question...how did ladies and gentlemen of means
: tell time in period?  I'm especially interested in late period.  Was it
: sundials all the way through?

Primitive watches (hour-hand only) were available by the second
half of the 16th Century.  In addition to pocket watches, they
were worn on necklaces and other jewelry.  The first wristwatch
we know of is the one recorded as a gift to Queen Elizabeth from 
one of her courtiers, so that's also period (for the Queen of 
England, at least).

-- Nicholas van Leyden
From: hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: management styles and SCA authenticity and purpose (lengthy)
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:35:22 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

The SCA group, like any state, is a necessary evil ;-)

I think that one should not confuse the authentic (or otherwise) nature
of the SCA event with any organizational structure needed to implement
it.  Just keep the organizational stuff largely off-stage, so to speak.

This probably means that prize-giving by the autocrat is not the best
thing - but courts are too long as it is.

Henry Troup - H.Troup@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
	       "Millions for defence, not one cent for tribute!"
From: SAUNDRSG@qucdn.queensu.ca (Graydon)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Gaelic pronunciation question
Date: 21 Nov 92 18:30:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

A new member of Greyfells wants to know how to pronounce "Ard-choille",
which is reportedly Scots Gaelic and an ancestral war cry.

Since I can't pronounce my heraldic job title, I thought I'd ask
the Rialto.

I would also be very pleased to find out what it means, before he
finds occaision to yell before smiting.

thanks!
Graydon
From: zebee@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Crown designs
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:54:51 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
Distribution: world
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As part of Lochac's journey to kingdom status, we need new regalia.
  
Our current crowns are universally criticised for being too uncomfortable.
  
When King Rolf was here a few weeks back, he mentioned that the most 
comfortable crown he had ever worn was one in the Mists, which was
made of a number of wooden plaques fastened to a cloth band and tied
at the back - sort of like a wooden headband.
  
Can anyone point me to anything in period that was constructed
like that, or to a design that would lend itself to being
constructed like that?


Selfran the Singer
Barony of Innilgard, in the Principality of Lochac

-- 
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From: sinister@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Dance Video
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:45:59 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

	Unto the good gentles of the Rialto, and those who 
discuss the idea of a Dance Teach Video in particul,
	does Cosmano send greetings!

	I asked two of the ladies who teach dance here what
thier opinion on the idea was, and they both loved it.  Being
one of the more Northern groups in the East's Northern Region,
it hard for us to get new folk up  or us go down to places to 
learn new stuff.

	In Faith and Service, 
			Cosmano



_______________________________________________________________
  Cosmano Piero Michelotto da Roma  |    Michel Vaillancourt
    Canton of Seashire              |     Halifax
     Barony of Ruantallan           |    Nova Scotia
      East Kingdom                  |    Canada!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|  Disclaimer:  None Required... U of Dalhousie doesn't think |
|           I can do that much damage, even un-supervised...  |
|                                     --'Sinister             |
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From: leeu@nobeltech.se (Leif Euren)
Subject: Re: Sealing wax
Organization: NobelTech AB
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:56:41 GMT

Thomas Ignatius Perigrinus writes about the manufacture of sealing wax,
and gives this recipy

	shellac		4
	turpentine	2
	rosin		1
	vermillion	2
	bees wax	2

and also gives advice on how to get other colours than red, calling for
Prussian Blue, Chrome Yellow and White Magnesia.

Myself, I've found these 3 recipies:

	shellac		100	 60	 40
	hartz		  -	 40	 60
	gum turpentine	 10	 70	 60
	turpentine oil	  5	  5	  5
	cinnabar	 65	 45	 40
	chalk		 15	 15	 20
	plaster		 15	 15	 10

and also

	bees wax	 50
	gum turpentine	 15
	cinnabar	 10
	glycerin	  5

My dictionary says that vermillion and cinnabar is the same thing
(mercuric sulphide, HgS), and from your description of 'rosin', I gather
it's the same as what I call 'hartz': a kind of resin.

But what it meant by 'turpentine' in the recipy you give, m'lord Thomas?
Is it the resinous "gum", or the distilled product, the oil?

And do anybody know wether the pigments Prussian Blue, Chrome Yellow and
White Magnesia were used in our period?  I have several recipies using
them, as well as Lamp Black (for a black wax) and Red Lead (for orange),
so it would be nice to know.

	your humble servant
	Peder Klingrode


  Herr Peder Klingrode                    | Leif Euren    Stockholm, Sweden
  Holmgard, Nordmark, Drachenwald, East   | leeu@nobeltech.se

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From: JLINTHI1@ua1vm.ua.edu
Subject: Re: You know you're in the SCA when....
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:28:35 GMT

Greetings and salutations to the gentles of Rialto from
Kerowyn Morgan, sometimes in Meridies and sometimes
visiting Atlantia.
 
I thought I would add this to the "You know you're in the
SCA when.."
 
       -- You have been living with your lord for about two
          years and decide to make the arrangement legal..
          then realize that you don't even know your future
          husband's real name.
 
(This did happened to a pair of my friends.)
 
             Yours,
               KLM
 
Julia E. Linthicum/ Kerowyn Lassarina Morgan of Lochcarron/ Shire
of Misty Mere, Barony of Iron Mountain, Meridies/ jlinthi1@ua1vm.ua.edu
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: hot drinks
Date: 18 Nov 1992 17:24:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <Bxx0J4.FvJ@access.digex.com> corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:

[Where he comes from, apple juice and cider are different substances.]

OK, I live and learn.  In California supermarkets they are exactly
the same stuff--filtered, pasteurized, and the only differences are the
word on the label and the color of the label.



Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Argent, a cross forme'e sable

Disclaimer: This is the Cozzarelli Lab's account, not mine--but I don't
think anybody else ever reads it.
From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: chocolate
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:44:08

 BA>  chilis myself.  I threaten occasionally to serve hot chocolate at an 
 BA>  event........ period style, with said chi/jlis.  Sort of like liquid 
 BA>  mole' sauce, no?
 BA>     A possible source might be a book called _Foods_of_the_New_World_. 

 Gwynllian, if you ever DO decide to serve this, please include me as one  of the drinkers -- I've always been curious to try the original hot chocolate  recipes, but haven't known where to find anything more than a passing  reference to the drink.... and it sounds intriguing.

 - Vashti


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From: kim@babbage.csus.edu (Kim Conway)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Help, first time autocrat!!
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:00:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California State University, Sacramento

To anyone how came help I would greatly appreciate it. This weekend at our
shire meeting I foolishly opened my mouth and became autocrat for our shire
feast/revel at the end of March. I have been in the society for almost a 
year and this is the first event I will autocrat. I will be keeping it pretty
simple because that is what our shire would like, however any ideas, 
suggestions, or hints about how to put on the feast/revel please let me
know. The easy way out would be to do basically what they did last year.
However, I would like to come up with a few different ideas, so that it 
won't be quit the same.
 
Thank in advance,



 ------                     Tara of the Clan O'Conghalaigh
 --/ __.  __  __.           Shire of Mountain's Gate/ Principality of
(_/ (_/|_/ (_(_/|_             Cynagua / Kingdom of the West


(MKA : Kimberley Conway)
From: tombrady@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (Duncan MacKinnon)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: hot drinks
Date: 22 Nov 92 14:58:00 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Greetings unto the folk of the Rialto from Duncan MacKinnon!
M'lady Jessica recommends:
> Making Mead by Bryan Acton and Peter Duncan, Argus Books Ltd. 1984, 
>ISBN 0 9oo841 07 9. It contains not only mead recipes but also a delightful 
>assortment of others including many that are period and several that are 
>hot. I haven't tried the hot ones yet but I remember at least one made from 
>ale.

Another book which has recipes for some, um, interesting hot
drinks is Sanborn C. Brown's "Wine and Beers of Old New England"
(Univ. Press of New Hampshire, 1978). Obviously, it is rather OOP,
but the recipes are still interesting, and Brown's writing style
is fun to read. I've seen copies of this at my local homebrew store,
but I would guess that it might be hard to come by - check your 
local university library. (yes, Angharad, you can find *some* useful
books in the Tech library!)
In service,
Duncan
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Duncan MacKinnon of Tobermory    Tom Brady   brady@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu
Barony of Black Diamond          Virginia Tech
Kingdom of Atlantia              Blacksburg, VA
Per pale potenty purpure and argent, in pale three roundels counterchanged
From: vstark@bucksnort.East.Sun.COM (Valerie Stark - Sun USOPS Production Temp)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: learning posting
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:17:11 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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Keywords:apologies 


Sorry to learn on your time, good gentles.  If this gets through, I'll try to make sure the next one is relevant.

                                 Valrada




I just build these things, I don't understand them!
From: del@babel.DIALix.oz.au (D Elson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: out-of-period dancing) 
Distribution: world
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 09:32:29 GMT
Organization: 


In article <BxHyJu.BKq@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> guth@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca writes:

  > On the question for dances "longwayes for as many as will",

OK, are we talking about dancers facing their partners, or dancers
in a long line, men to the left of their partners, all facing forwards,
because ...

  > However, it is important to note that in none of our period sources from
  > the 16th century, including Caroso, Negri and Arbeau.  Arbeau, in fact, 
  > never explicitly mentions that a basse dance or pavan should be danced by
  > a long line of couples.  I might be more willing to accept such a longways
  > dance if there were any precedents at all in the period repertoire.

... in the Basse danza "Corona", by Domenico (1450), the dance is
"for couples in a column".  Note, however, that this is fairly rare, even
for Domenico's basse danze.  For example, "Damnes" is for two men and
one lady (only), as well as Belreguardo Novo, and one or two other dances.
The only other basse danze that I know of that was probably danced for
a long line of couples (also from Domenico) is "La Spagna", and I am
working on someone else's reconstruction of that, not mine.

Also note that the ballo "Pizochara" (Domenico again) is for four couples,
men on the left, ladies on the right (as usual), all facing front, and
contains a piva sequence that can best be described as a "hey", and another
piva sequence that looks suspiciously like it was pinched by any number
of country dances (a "peel out" sequence where the men lead off to their
left, and the ladies to their right, and they join together to regain their
places).

Generally, it is possible to find a lot of sequences that ended up in
English Country Dancing in some of the 15th C Italian stuff (Domenico,
Gugliemo, Cornazano, Ambrosio), but it had disappeared by the time
of Negri and Caroso.  The early manuscripts are worth a look for anyone
familiar with ECD and wanting to learn something more period.  The
dances are certainly much easier to learn than Caroso and Negri.

Del
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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: Homage, Fealty, and Tommyrot
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:34:28 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!  I wrote:

> I recommend to your attention Boulton's "The Knights of Crown", which is
> the most thorough and scholarly discussion of medieval orders of
> knighthood.  He notes several examples of orders which accepted
> non-knights into their membership.  In some cases, companionship included
> a knighthood; in others it did not.  Some of the orders even had ladies
> as companions.

Tadhg replied:

>  *What* orders? *Name* them and discuss how they support your position,
> don't just say "notes several examples".

If I wanted to write a scholarly article on the subject, Tadhg, I would
have done so.  If you are interested, read the book; it's in print.  The
introduction is a fine overview of the subject.  Perhaps the most relevent
points that the author makes are first that most scholarship on the subject
is appallingly bad, and second that it is impossible to generalize about
the nature, rules, function, or membership of orders of knighthood.

===========================================================================
Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
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Subject: Sword/Shield Hand by Leftie
From: white_w@ab.wvnet.edu
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:53:28 -0500
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College


I am not an SCA member because there is no group in my immediate area.

	I think the reason the Lefties are doing better in tournaments is that
they have LOTS of practice against Righties, while the Righties have had much
less practice against Lefties.

Will 
  



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From: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Subject: Re: hot drinks
Reply-To: boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:55:03 GMT


In article <19NOV199212423056@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu>, tombrady@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu
(Duncan MacKinnon) writes:

> a pressure cooker. Really, a nifty book. As a data point, Proulx
> uses the term "cider" to refer exclusively to fermented apple
> juice - I know not if this is the correct usage.

As is not uncommon, usage varies by locality.  In the areas I'm familier
with (north-western Pennsylvania, central New York, Vermont, New Hampshire,
and Massachusetts), the following definitions hold:

	Apple juice - Strained, sweetened, filtered, pasteurized,
	    homogenized, etc. juice from apples.

	Cider (also "sweet cider") - The fresh, unfiltered product of
	    pressing oxidized apple pulp.

	Hard cider - "Cider" (see above) allowed to ferment (which is
	    what happens if you just leave it in the refrigerator
	    too long).

	Mulled cider - Sweet cider heated to steaming hot with spices
	    like clove and cinnamon.

	Apple Jack - (If I remember this story correctly!)  Take sweet
	    cider and set it outside in the fall.  It'll ferment
	    happily until you get a good, hard freeze.  Pour off the
	    applejack.  (Essentially an apple brandy distilled by
	    freezing out the water.)

				- - Steve

				boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com
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From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: Facsimile IL BALLARINO?? Where? 
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:06:25 GMT

Silly Del, all you had to do was ask...

    Marco Fabrito Caroso.  Il Ballarino (Venice: 1581).  Facsimile reprint
    by Broude Brothers (New York: 1967).

  Now all you need is a NY telephone directory, to find out their address,
  which LoD failed to publish ... (and I have spent over a year trying to
  find it).

The production offices are in NY, the sales office is in Masschusetts.

 Broude Brothers
 141 White Oaks Road
 Williamstown, MA 01267

 +1 800 525 8559
 +1 413 458 8131 (for our overseas friends, what cannot dial 800 numbers)
 +1 413 458 8131 fax machine

They do accept orders from overseas, they told me.  Il Ballarino is in
stock, but is rather expensive at $55 dollars.  Shipping charges vary
by actual destination (surface mail, registered). And they accept US
dollars, or Visa or Mastercard (3% surcharge for credit card orders).

Del, in your case, perhaps your best bet is to use free email to
get me your address, and I can find out what shipping costs will be
for you.

	Tibor (I have a phone, it can dial information...)
--
Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)
[I'm just showin' you my opinions: this ain't a gift]
From: banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: REQUEST: Drinking songs and loud obnoxious things
Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:12:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
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Summary: Help me to be MORE obnoious drunk!


	Could someone provide some pointers to some period drinking songs?
Serious as well as loud - baudy - obnoxious are welcome.  The song that gets
on everybodies nerves is fine but I'd like some more variety.

-- 
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