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From: allan@microware.com (R. Allan Kirkhart)
Subject: Re: Review: A Few Good Men.
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:13:02 GMT

In article <28314@dog.ee.lbl.gov> TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
>ahsiung@labs-n.bbn.com (Anita Hsiung) writes:
>
>  +This was a great movie, with excellent dialogue and acting.  The only
>  +scene I think should be cut is Moore's character asking Cruise's
>  +character out on a date.  Why can't a strong, intelligent woman remain
>  +one?  There was no reason for her to ask him out, unless it was to
>  +show that a woman, in the end, will somehow be ruled by emotion where
>  +a strong, intelligent man is concerned.
>
>Well, depending on how the scene developed, if she was in control
>and took the initiative, *maybe* this is a contrast to the popularly
>image of passive women who just get hit on by the guy.
>
>ObDisclaimer:  I didn't see the movie.

Well, since you opened it up to the uninformed! :-)

I have not seen the movie either.  It sounds like Anita is very just in
posing the question.  There are certainly fewer movies featuring single
women without a romantic angle than with single men.

But, how would we have women portrayed in movies?

	a) Strong intelligent woman being asked out by male character.

		Why must a strong intelligent woman be portrayed as being
		a target for male harassement?

	b) Strong intelligent woman / no romantic angle.

		Why are strong intelligent woman always portrayed as being
		devoid of any emotional capacity?

	c) Strong intelligent woman taking initiative and asking out male.

		Why can't a strong intelligent woman remain one?

That is the frustrating thing about sexism and bigotry of any kind.  If 
you look for it, you *will* find it.
	
To echo Terry, if the scene is properly done, I like c).  It may not
help to stamp out sexism, but it would be nice if more films portrayed
women taking the initiative without lossing virtue in the process.

Just my .02$

RAK


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From: helgeb@admin.uio.no (Helge J. Bj|rnhaug)
Subject: Re: Weird Movies
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
	<1993Jan11.161753.19918@ugle.unit.no> <1iti6a$2ch@agate.berkeley.edu>
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:14:04 GMT

In article <1iti6a$2ch@agate.berkeley.edu> annie@garnet.berkeley.edu  (Anne Jessop) writes:

   (...)

   _Fitzcarraldo_ (unsure of date; dir. Werner Herzog, stars ... oh, this is
   embarrassing... either Rutger Hauer or Klaus Maria Brandauer, prob. the
   latter... the similarity of sounds in the last names are screwing me up.) 

It's Klaus Kinski

Helge




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From: kthiruma@libws4.ic.sunysb.edu (Kumara Thirumalai)
Subject: Re: Videos on PAL not avail. in UK
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:45:51 GMT

I have seen clockwork orange
and streets of fire both on al in India.
so if you have a friend in India ....
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or thru' snailmail:
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or tinkle at :
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From: ssc@nwu.edu (Steven Chung)
Subject: Re: Review:  SCENT OF A WOMAN (Minor SPOILERS) 
Originator: schung@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:55:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.204103.2139@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> blake7@herahera.cc.bellcore.com (berardinelli,james) writes:
# 
# There are certain actors that, when they appear in a film, are almost 
# invariably indicators that the production is one of quality.  They are an
# elite few, with names like Nicholson, Hoffman, Hackman, and Pacino.  

Actually, besides 'Unforgiven,' I'd say that for some time Hackman's
appearance has indicated a really bad production.
From: tpm@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Tim P McNerney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re:  Why X _is_ making money
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:30:20 GMT
Organization: Loral Western Development LAabs

In article <jperkski.02jq@kentcomm.UUCP>, jperkski@kentcomm.UUCP (Jim Perkowski) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan5.155416.17951@b8.b8.ingr.com> anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman) writes:
|> >In article <sterbenc-040193150223@150.130.23.185>, sterbenc@ivhs.mot.com (Joe Sterbenc) writes:
|> >|> Um, guys...
|> >|>
|> >|> It's not challenging the Culkinator or setting records, but X is
|> >|> already in 8-digit profits - in spite of the Amazing Colossal Budget.
|> >|>
|> >|> There is one simplereason it's not as blockbustery as y'all apparently
|> >|> expect it to be. Can you name any box office smash that was three and
|> >|> a half hours long? It's simply too long to be an ideal box office movie.
|> >|>
|> >
|> >Dances with Wolves, Gone with the Wind, Dr. Zhivago, Lawrence of Arabia, Ben Hur,
|> >The Ten Commandments, etc., etc.
|> 
|> Reds, Gandhi, Heaven's Gate, and The Right Stuff. Thought I would fill in some of
|> the "etc's".:)
|> 
|> --
|> ______________________________________________________
|> |(Jim Perkowski) kentcomm!jperkski@legend.akron.oh.us|
|> |____________________________________________________|

Certainly there are a number of well known long movies, but how many
of them were actually blockbusters in their initial release?  Though
a number of the movies listed were critically acclaimed, the ones that
I was around for in intial release never struck me as being blockbuster
movies (certainly Heaven's Gate cannot be considered a blockbuster by
any stretch of the imagination) except perhaps Dances with Wolves.

So does anyone have any numbers to back up these comments (and I am
talking about initial releases)?

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From: dkumasaw@oracle.uucp (Darren Kumasawa)
Subject: Re: Accents
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:23:02 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Dec28.175019.17060@muddcs.claremont.edu> irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith) writes:
>
>On a side note, remember how "Hunt for Red October" started out with
>subtitles under the Russians speaking Russian? I thought at the time that it
>would have been a really neat effect if all the Russian scenes had been
>filmed in Russian and subtitled for the entire movie. Did this occur to
>anyone else when watching "Red October" for the first time? Was the thought
>that most of the movie might be in subtitled Russian a cause for dismay, or
>delight? In my case, definitely the latter, and I was almost disappointed
>when they switched to English. Ah well, so it goes.

Agreed.  I also wish that the Russian scenes had remained subtitled for
the whole movie.  Switching from Russian to English partway through made
me think, "Oh, yeah, this is just a movie and the director was too lame
to do the whole thing in Russian".  That transition really spoiled the
"realism" of the movie experience for me because it was so noticable.  
I would have prefered hearing all of the Russian scenes in English just 
so that transition would have been avoided.  Changing languages partway
through was just not good film-making, in my opinion.  Especially with 
Connery playing a Russian with a Scottish accent.  (Don't take me wrong... 
Sean Connery is one of my favorite actors!  They should have just keep him
speaking one language - any language - for the duration of the film!)

Darren
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From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Underrated Actor:  Alan Rickman
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:41:26 GMT

In article 27861@psych.toronto.edu, anna@psych.toronto.edu (Anna Filippone) writes:
>|Definitely Alan Rickman.  I saw two films he was in this weekend.  One was  
>|"Close My Eyes" where he played the husband of a woman who has an affair
>|with her brother.  The other was "Truly, Madly, Deeply" -- a film I heard
>|being called the film that "Ghost" should have been (and I agree).  Both
>|films are highly recommended.
>|
>|And you must admit that he was the best part of Robin Hood:  Prince of
>|Thieves as the Sherriff of Nottingham.
>|
>|Has he been in other films?  
>|
>|Anna
>|
>|-- 
>|			  "Mark but this flea, and mark in this,
>|Anna Filippone		   How little that which thou deniest me is: 
>|anna@psych.toronto.edu 	   Me it sucked first, and now sucks thee,  
>|			   And in this flea our two bloods mingled be." - Donne 


He was in the first Die Hard, as the villain.  The man knows how to play
villains!!!  Outstanding!
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From: jondr@sco.COM (Karen Silkwood's car)
Subject: Re: Coppola's DRACULA
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 22:39:45 GMT


egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Edward G. Nilges) writes:
>Pray tell me, WHY is relating a movies to current events, of which the
>movie makers are both consciously and unconsciously aware, especially
>either "deconstructionist" or "drivel?"

It's drivel if the film in question was written/directed long before the
current events began to play out.  (I don't know the lifecycle of the
Dracula script/production, so I can't say if/how it corresponds to Serbia.)

>It is certainly news to me that we must check our
>brain at the door of the cinema, that indeed cinema is to be treated as
>another drug.

I think those who produce the films would certainly like it if we behaved
that way.

>Dracula DOES stalk Winona Ryder and his conduct is rewarded with her
>love.  The parallels to Serbia ARE unavoidable; imagine making a movie
>celebrating Czarist pogroms at THE SAME TIME Hitler's holocaust was in
>full swing.

How does Dracula stalking Mina (please don't confuse actors/actresses and
their characters) parallel Serbia???  I can't believe this film has any
subtext corresponding to the current political climate in it.  It seems to
me that anything even vaguely like political commentary is being inserted by
the viewers rather than the creators.  Personally, I thought the movie was
about as brainless as they come and was just another opportunity for Coppola
to drag his tired christian symbolism out for another go-round.  (The cross
healing itself at the end was just too much for yours truly.  I nearly
barfed on my companion.)

-- 
Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ)                 uunet!sco!jondr   jondr@sco.com
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From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: The Weird List
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:27:41 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <103659@netnews.upenn.edu>, hseung@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:
|> sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle) writes:
|> | 
|> | Thanks guys for the suggestions on weird movies: the list I've 
|> | compiled so far is below--please add if you can think of any other.
|> | ...
|> | The WL:
|> | 	...
|> | 	The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover
|> | 	Dracula
|> | 	Hyunsuk Seung
|>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> Hey, that' my name! ....
|> 

 Well, what did you expect, Hyunsuk?

 It is the Wierd List, right?  ;)
           ^^^^^
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From: firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith)
Subject: Re: The Weird List
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 20:25:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.185957.20272@b23a.b23a.ingr.com> alfa@b23a.b23a.ingr.com (Laura Walker) writes:

>
>My apologies - I meant the John Water's film HAIRSPRAY (I've never even seen
>Shampoo), which does most certainly belong here.
>


As long as we're on John Waters, how about Cry-Baby?


Firestar
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From: rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett)
Subject: Re: "Moonraker" -- fact or fiction?
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 08:50:33 GMT

In article <C0AwK9.9r1@research.canon.oz.au> simon@research.canon.oz.au (Simon Walmsley) writes:
>The writer of the movie version of 'The Spy Who Loved Me' (Christopher Wood)
>introduced the 'Jaws' character as a joke, and continued this into his next
>screenplay 'Moonraker'. The story was published as 'James Bond and Moonraker'
>and bore little resemblance to Fleming's Moonraker (the third Bond story).

It's also worth noting that Wood's "The Spy Who Loved Me" was also published
in novel form.  





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From: matthew@spica.bu.edu (Matthew Fox)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: The film VIRUS
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:46:06 GMT
Organization: Information Technology, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: matthew@spica.bu.edu



  Hi out there,
     This is I guess the forum for this question:

	Is anyone familiar with the Japanese-made film VIRUS ?

     I caught it (no pun intended) on Australian TV a number of years
ago, and found it interesting. The TV movie host (Bill Collins) said
that the print was a 110-minute version of a 4-hour film (which it looked)
and made in the early 80s - it was contemporary with the second Star Wars
film.
     I have seen a copy of the 110-min version in the local video store,
but is anyone out there familiar with the original long version, or know
where it could be located in the Boston area ?

	Thanks in advance ...
-- 
Matthew W. Fox        :          Exile from the Wide Brown Land
Center for Space Physics,  Boston University
matthew@spica.bu.edu  : Another walnut-sized contribution to the Brain Drain
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From: merlyn@digibd.digibd.com (Merlyn LeRoy)
Subject: Re: Movies In the Public Domain
Organization: DigiBoard, Incorporated, Eden Prairie,MN
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:13:06 GMT


A couple of Buster Keaton's films are PD: The General and College.

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From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Subject: Re: Movie Buffs  (was Re: Academy Awards)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:41:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.204027.2478@ifi.unizh.ch> hafner@ifi.unizh.ch (Michel Hafner) writes:
> In article <1iafeqINNa66@network.ucsd.edu> ivy@chem.ucsd.edu (Ivy Blumberg) writes:
> >I was just curious about how many movies some of the rest of you "Buffs"
> >watched in a week.  So many posters are incredibly knowledgeable about
> >every little movie detail--How do you get the time to watch so much?
> >Should we have a contest to see who is the most addicted?

Mark (and I) saw about 60 films in theaters last year.  Mark probably
watches another half dozen a week on video/cable.  (I watch less.)

But consider: He watches while on the exercycle in the mornings.  We
watch while folding laundry.  And so on.  So it's not hard to fit that
many in.  (On a long Christmas weekend we can watch between twenty and
thirty films.)

Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
--
"To make the point [that homosexuals hamper military effectiveness] I'd
say that you would have to sift through your military history till you
find an instance in which failure has been attributed to the presence
of homosexuals on the losing side.  I'm not aware of any such case in
the past 2500 years, but I'd be interested to hear what you find."
-Nathan Engle
From: bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu (Bil Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: commercials (was Re: PEEVES at MOVIE THEATERS !)
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:17:13 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes:


>Too bad the Wizard of Oz didn't have one of the old Cora
>Maxwell House commercials.


That is really funny!!! :)

Bil Gonzalez

"My! What a smell of sulfur!"
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From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
Subject: Re: SUGGESTIONS for WEIRD MOVIES - Embellished
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:46:05 GMT

>Attack of the Killer Tomatoes! 4 (for wierdness, or -1 for quality)
>

While you're at it, is there any way of getting AOTKT on PAL these days?


>-- 
>Chad Childers                            Work: chad@quality.ta.ford.com
>FMEAplus Project Leader                  Home: chad@deep.mi.org


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From: cksvih01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Lenigrad Cowboys Go America
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:28:10 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <Jan.8.14.37.23.1993.1872@lobster.rutgers.edu>, saidel@lobster.rutgers.edu (william Saidel) writes:
> I saw this strange movie titled Leningrad (sorry for mispelling in
> Subject) Cowboys Go America. It is a Finish Movie. Does anyone have a
> clue as to the story about or behind this flic?
> 
I saw LCGA about a year ago in the local art house.  I thought it was
pretty humorous in an extremely deadpan sort of way.  The style reminded
me of Jim Jarmusch's films.  Think of it as a cross between "Stranger than
Paradise" and "This is Spinal Tap" and it explains itself.  The Finnish
director is very well-known in Finland (or so I've been led to believe),
but LCGA is the only film of his I've seen.  Nice coming to America story.


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From: spinaa@rpi.edu (Matt Garretson)
Subject: Re: the crying game (big spoiler!)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:23:40 GMT

SPOILERS BELOW:




In article <1993Jan2.164417.18901@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> fod@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Frank O'Donnell) writes:
>So the surprise shot (which I don't think showed a face)
>was done with a male stand-in, we'd be led to believe?

In the end credits, there was an entry for "prosthetics", which may indicate
the method of illusion. 

Whaddaya say? This could have been a good application for digital image
enhancement. But latex is probably cheaper.
From: a0s5108@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Neal and Mara Priestly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: PEEVES at MOVIE THEATERS !
Date: 11 Jan 1993 08:11:35 -0500
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucc.umass.edu

In article <1b!3pzn@rpi.edu> spinaa@rpi.edu (Matt Garretson) writes:
>In article <1csC03zIc8Lt00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jsp@pls.amdahl.com writes:
>>
>>I'd like to know if I'm the only one who notices this:  Theaters that
>>turn down the brightness of the projector bulb, supposedly to keep
>>the film stock from wearing out sooner, so that the whole movie looks
>>like it was filmed at night.

In the original post (which expired here) the poster made reference to 
Who Framed Roger Rabbit being brighter on video.  It should be almost
no time at all until the local Vid-Techie reposts his little article
which came up last during the 'Star Wars Sneaker' debates, that being
that video is usually brighter than the movie.  He explained in detail
why, but the deatils have slipped my mind.

Turning down the lamp may preserve film stock a bit at high wattage
configs, but 21 weeks of Dances With Wolves saw no negative repercussions
at 2k watts.  (actually, just under 2k.  The lamp when done correctly is
not tuned by wattage, but by light metering at the screen.  I think Roger
and Gene had the wool pulled over thier eyes. 

>
>I've noticed this. I always assumed that it was caused by the use of too
>weak a bulb (or otherwise shoddy equipment).  Are different-strength
>bulbs required for different theater configurations (e.g. different
>sizes/types of screen, different distances between projector & screen)?

Wildly different.  The price list I have here lists bulbs from 800w up
to 22000 watts.  (The 22k is for drive-ins, I asked.)  The type of 
lamphousing and reflector is the most critical determanent of bulb 
need.  It's not how much light you can make, it's how much you make
useful.  Without changing the physical plant in any other way, we 
installed new lamp houses and were able to decrease our wattage by
over 600w.  We went from 2000w lamps cranked to the stops to 1600w
running at about 1400w to start (as they get older they have to be
turned up amoung other things) and ending up around 1500w.  And the
light is at least as bright at the test spots and the evenness was 
greatly improved.

Does that answer your question, or were you looking for something more?

-Neal
I would be afraid if my opinions began to coincide with THIERS.  :)
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Accents
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:48:04 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan7.185325.24271@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:

>  Am I really the only one that prefers a movie where the germans
>speak german, the english english and the french french? I find
>the use english with german accent instead of german to be 
>ridicules.

Well, I don't mind movies where Spanish-speakers speak Spanish, but
that's because I speak Spanish.  Other than that and English, I don't
like it when people speak their native language (French for French people,
etc).

Why?  Because I hate reading subtitles.  It's not that I'm illiterate,
I love reading.  I do it just for fun.  But, when I'm watching a movie
or a television show, I hate reading the subtitles, because I spend all
my time watching them, instead of the action.  At my grandmother's house,
where they have closed captioning, I have to turn it off whenever I watch
the TV, because I catch myself reading the text instead of watching the
shows.  And these are shows in ENGLISH!  I just can't stop myself from
reading, so I prefer that there be nothing.  Same goes for subtitles.

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