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From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:56:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
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In a previous article, kevin@drogges.tti.com (Kevin Carothers) says:
>
> Ohh, boo hoo. Clinton based his election statements (not PROMISES) on


       Oh, sorry.  I thought they were promises.
       Sure you don't want to change that to 'alleged statements' ?


> BNS data that was later shown to be inaccurate due to padding by Bush 
> in his Economic Report from the President publication.  So he has to
> backpeddle, and all the sudden idiots like you are screaming "RECALL!".

       Well, I've got some additional information for you.
       The new figures are inaccurate also.  After the ash has settled,
   the animals return, and crops begin to grow again, maybe someone will
   want to figure out the true numbers.

> What a whining little shit you are. 
> You obviously don't have the guts to be an American. 
> In the future, shut up and think bef

        Yeah, GODDAMN it.  Move to France, where they ALREADY have national
    health care, and gun control, etc, etc.  You lousy, investment-oriented,
    hard-working, liberty-defending TRASH!

        We sure don't need YOUR kind here anymore.

ore you post, or move to France, dammit.
>
> I have my own prediction; Collectively, it will be found that Reagan and 
> Bush will have broke more promises every day before breakfast than 
> Clinton  will EVER break in his  entire career. 

        Hmmm.  Well, I'm always open to making some cash.
       How about $10K??  I figure if I'm right, I can afford to lose 
       $10K in 1996 dollars.

>
>%
>%                           PREDICTION
>%
>%In one year an attempt will be made to hold a recall election for
>%the office of President of the United States.
>%
> right now you're accuracy is at 50%. Just the same as any other moron on the
> street. 
>
>--
>
>Kevin Carothers   {psivax,philabs,retix,quad1}!ttidca!kevin
>

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From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:17:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
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In a previous article, lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave) says:

>In article <1k79peINNhv0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Broward Horne,
>>      Doc.  What do you think our financial system  is founded on?
>>         ( think carefully, here.  you're allowed to use other 
>>           sources.  And remember.  *I* am armed with the 
>> 
>>                 Rod of Reality!  )
>
>
>I can't wait to hear this gem (not that it has anything to do with the
>point he is responding to...).

      Well, I gave you a chance.   More than Clinton did. :)  *I* still
      have honor.  :)


      Our entire financial system is based on TRUST.
      Do you think government bonds have ANY intrinsic value??????

      And the supreme commander, the President of the United States,
      Former Governer Bill Clinton  ( dut da da DUUU!!! ):

      has just plunged a very long and sharp dagger in several of 
      his constituencies.

      In front of the whole world.

      The world which now buys 30% of our government debt.

      Picture this:

         You, Dr. LaF, has just given me, upstanding Broward Horne,
         $10K of your hard earned dollars, even though I'm about 
         $100K in debt and building fast.

         Then, I went home and plunged a dagger into my sleeping wife.

      Are you feeling good about your investment when you see me on TV the 
      next day? 

   Come on, Wild Bill!  YES!!!!!



>>     Man, I'm sure glad I was flying on 727s all those years.
>
>HuH????
>
>Norman
>
>Dr. Norman J. LaFave
>Senior Engineer
>Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company
>
>
>
>
>When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
>                               Hunter Thompson
>
From: deguc@holein1.Corp.Sun.COM (Bob Deguc)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLA
Date: 22 Jan 1993 20:48:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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In article 727642809@convex.convex.com, visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
> In <1993Jan20.204342.3121@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:
> 
> +>Jeeeeez!!!!! Clinton hasn't been president for two hours and you want
> +>a plan presented to the hill???? When was the last time a president
> +>presented legislation two hours after inauguration???
> 
> 	And perhaps you can tell us the last time a candidate went
> around promising a "plan" the day after inaguration.  Clinton made
> all sorts of promises that he had no intention of delivering.  And
> now, after the election there is no shortage of people willing to 
> excuse him anything.

George Bush campaigned for President as being "ready from day one" in
his TV ads.  According to CNNs Crossfire earlier this week he put a
90 day freeze on foreign policy decisions (gee, and I thought that
was what he was good at)......


Bob De Guc
I vote therefore I am!!
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From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:01:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
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In a previous article, pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek) says:

>from sources such as Mulac et.al., it's going to be a long four years
>on t.p.m.
>
>The frivolity of some of these postings if laughable. For example,
>'DAY ONE: WHERE'S THE PLAN?': I suppose Mulac et.al. would be happy
>if Clinton *had* submitted a 'plan to save the economy' on 'DAY ONE'?
>
      Yes, you, too, Don.  A new, bright and shining Era, where peace
      reigns and chilrldren laugh and sing.  Ho, it's going to be 
      great!  Join hands with Richard.  Can you FEEL the change?!
     
      Can you feel America re-uniting, as everyone gains understanding
      and peace?

      Get on board!  

>Yeah, right.
>
>I'm glad, for my nervous system's sake, that I'm not as full of hate
>as some of these people, who at this pace will be totally incoherent
>in a few more weeks.
>
>Don Pajerek
>
>Standard disclaimers apply.
>

Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Subject: Re: NO! President Bill, 72% of Americans are NOT lawyers!
Reply-To: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:26:30 GMT

In article <ATAYLOR.93Jan20134251@gauss.nmsu.edu> ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:
>
>	So, either Clinton promised the impossible (sorta like lying),
>	or is a fool; take your choice.


Right, Nosy, I get it. Everyone's a fool except you.


Don Pajerek

Standard disclaimers apply.
From: fred@johnd.tamu.edu (Fred Seals 5-2298)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Zoe , Zha-Zha
Date: 22 Jan 1993 14:07:32 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
Distribution: world
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Kalin,

You are going to find out that Comrade Clinton will talk less and
less about any issue and let his "mouth pieces" talk for him.  He
will be to busy running for a second term and engaging in symbolism
to be bothered by the minor things like the ethics of his 
appointments.

fred

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (Bakayaroo Banzai)
Subject: Re: God is intolerant of sin!
Organization: Deutsches Klimarechenzentrum GmbH, Hamburg
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 13:26:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.055514.22278@syacus.acus.oz.au> brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies) writes:
>smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>
>>shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>
>>> It's important,
>>> however, that we recognize that those who hate are the ones
>>> who are responsible for their own hatred,
>
>>You know, that makes a lot of sense.  Too bad you and the Robert 
>>Johnson's, Jess Anderson's, and Bob Donahue's of the world have 
>>such tunnel vision that they can only see this concept from 
>>their own point of view.  The nastiness and venomness of typical 
>>posts from Tim Pierce and others shows _deep_ hatred.  
>
>Wrong. It shows _deep_, _DEEP_ anger. The anger of the repressed, the
>oppressed, the disregarded, the disadvantaged, the disinherited, the
>disenfranchised, the dehumanized, the marginalized, the beaten, the
>murdered.
>
>In short, the anger of gay people.
>
Wonderful, perhaps then they could seek some appropriate counseling
for their anger instead of this "Usenet as Therapy" game which
*some* people seem to be playing. Undirected anger hurts everyone,
including those who are sympathetic to their cause. Under the
circumstances I find it virtually indistinguishable from hate.
We can all sit around and alienate and hurt each other or we
can attempt to find common ground to agree on. Or do you want
to evolve into the thing that you despise the most?

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From: deguc@holein1.Corp.Sun.COM (Bob Deguc)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLA
Date: 22 Jan 1993 20:53:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: deguc@holein1.Corp.Sun.COM
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In article 61q@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu, rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke) writes:
> In article <1993Jan21.171237.20208@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov writes:

[deletions.....]

> >
> >Boy I bet you fell for the "Read My Lips" promise too!
> >
> 
> 
> 
> Well, if it weren't for democratic pressure, ther would have been no
> tax increase.

I suppose that ole George forgot about that when he made his promise too...
Here is the part of the speech (from it's text released to the press not
a transcription of the speech itself):


"I'm the one who won't raise taxes.  My opponent now says he'll
raise them as a last resort, or a third resort.  When a politician
talks like that, you know that's one resort he'll be checking into.
My opponent won't rule out raising taxes.  But I will.  The Congress
will push me to raise taxes and I'll say no, and they'll push and I'll
say no, and they'll push again.  And all I can say to them is no new
taxes period."

Source: Vital Speeches of the Day
	October 15 1988

Looks like he incorporated resistance to that same Democratic pressure
that you are so quick to excuse him of....


Bob De Guc
I vote therefore I am!!
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Taxing & Spending
Date: 21 Jan 93 00:15:06 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <1993Jan20.195932.10854@unet.net.com>, stank@perrault.unet.com (Stan Knight) writes:
> In article <2181@blue.cis.pitt.edu> psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes:
> 
>>I have no advocate in Washington anymore, none with any power or authority! 
> 
> Maybe that should prove to be a clue for you Paul. Probably won't though.
> 
> Stan Knight
> |Can't decide what NOW sounds better---President Clinton or Ex President Bush|

These Limbots are getting loopier by the minute. The paranoid whining
and ranting and raving is really getting more and more amusing!

Keep up the good work Rush fans! Maybe you'll all die of nervous breakdowns
and help out the Darwinian evolution of humanity at the same time!

Poor baby. No papa-daddy Republiclone fearless leader any more :( Grow up
Limbots. At least you have Uncle Rush to sooth your taunted egos!

-G



Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,misc.education
From: bill@cognet.ucla.edu (William M. Eldridge)
Subject: Re: History will judge
Organization: UCLA Cognitive Science Research Program
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:17:17 GMT

<MMB3@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>   It amuses me that those who are demanding instant evaluation of this
>administration seem to be supporters of the past two admins which gave us
>short term feel good fixes with nation threatening long term consequences.
>You have to have some sense of the long term in government guys, and that
>means giving Clinton at least four years before you start claiming broken
>promises.  So hang tight and try not to be so impulsive.
>Melissa Brown


Devil's advocate: I voted for Clinton AND against Bush, but as I
note Safire's column today, I'm not thrilled that Clinton is keeping
on the shits in the Middle East who were up to their necks in Iraqgate,
and this worries me that Clinton might feel self-conscious on foreign
policy and acquiesce to the slimy old policies of Pappy himself.

I also haven't been impressed with Les Aspin, who in his initial
performances has condoned the coverup of Iran-contra, and now
tried to reign back the changes in gay policy in the Armed Services.

I also note that Clinton chose an idiot, Federico Pena, as Secretary
of Transportation, and if this is the man in charge of infrastructure,
we're going to build roads leading to the middle of the desert and
stopping.

Lloyd Bentsen is heavily involved in S&L, several of the appointments
have interesting histories in lobbying, and nobody seems to want to
ask any hard questions about anyone.

Also, Shalala seems to be scaling down promises for Welfare reform,
while Clinton has supported several boondoggles like the Osprey.

I do like the idea of the energy tax, though it can be argued pro and
con, but overall I get the feeling that Clinton could turn into the
great sellout of our time.  Early pessimism, granted, but not without
cause.

Cross your fingers and keep bitching.  (hope that Clinton e-mail account
is working soon).
 





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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,misc.education
From: kebarnes@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: RE: M. Python's Inauguration
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:04:41 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <21JAN93.00286376.0046@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>,
W9C9000 <W9C9@UNB.CA> writes:

> In article <3796.448.uupcb@ehbbs.gwinnett.com> curt.tucker@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Curt Tucker) writes:
>>Did you notice the martial music played right before Clinton took
>>the Oath of Office?
>>
>>I'm sure it's an old traditional military march, but to most
>>people in my generation, it is instantly recognizable as the
>>loopy opening theme music for "Monty Python's Flying Circus."
>>
>>I kid you not.
>>
> 
> I must admit....my ears perked up too when I heard the Liberty March.
> I, along with probably a lot of other Canadians, was watching the
> Inaugaration on T.V., when I heard that o so familiar music. I was just
> waiting for the Pythons to take over the show, and administer the Oath,
> but alas, I don't think President Clinton will be THAT much of a
> different leader. 8^)
> All the best to your country, in its new leadership.
>                                       .....D.Savoy. (W9C9@UNB.CA)

It may be the "Liberty March" in Canada, but I believe the Python's
refer to it as "The Washington Post March" in their scriptbook(s).

Darn, and I was really looking forward to the Inauguration being
rudely interrupted by Terry Gilliam's animated "foot" too...

<blat!>

BUT THE BAND PLAYED ON... 

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From: ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard A. Mulac)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Date: 22 Jan 1993 23:06:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard A. Mulac)
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In a previous article, kevin@drogges.tti.com (Kevin Carothers) says:

>ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard A. Mulac) writes:
>%
>%Another lie - it's day one and THERE IS NO ECONOMIC RECOVERY PLAN UP
>%ON THE HILL!  No more excuses!  Instead of wasting time paying off
>%foreign lobbyists like Brown and admitted felons like Baird, you
>%should be keeping the PROMISES YOU MADE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
>%This administration is already a joke and it's just started!  I even
>%hear liberals on the local radio talk shows stating that they can't
>%believe they were suckered into voting for such a liar.  I really
>%feel sorry for all you people who defended Clinton in the past - you
>%must feel so foolish now.  I can't wait to see the first Presidential
>%opinion polls.
>
> Ohh, boo hoo. Clinton based his election statements (not PROMISES) on
> BNS data that was later shown to be inaccurate due to padding by Bush
> in his Economic Report from the President publication.  So he has to
> backpeddle, and all the sudden idiots like you are screaming "RECALL!".

BZZZZZT! WRONG.  Clinton based his PROMISES on Congressional Budget
Office (CBO) numbers which came out in August of 92.  CBO's numbers
are right in line with current pessimistic projections.

> What a whining little shit you are.
> You obviously don't have the guts to be an American.
> In the future, shut up and think before you post, or move to France, dammit.

BLAH BLAH BLAH.  Obviously rantings of one of Clinton's defenders who is
now backed into a corner by the foolish actions and lies perpetrated by
his President since the election.

> I have my own prediction; Collectively, it will be found that Reagan and
> Bush will have broke more promises every day before breakfast than
> Clinton will EVER break in his entire career.

I think you've gotten it backwards.  Clinton has already broken more promises
than Reagan and Bush did in their entire careers.  (^:}

-- 
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From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:43:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.174340.13136@ttinews.tti.com> kevin@drogges.tti.com (Kevin Carothers) writes:

>In article <1jkblvINNg2q@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard A. Mulac) writes:
>%
>%Another lie - it's day one and THERE IS NO ECONOMIC RECOVERY PLAN UP
>%ON THE HILL!  No more excuses!  Instead of wasting time paying off 
>%foreign lobbyists like Brown and admitted felons like Baird, you 
>%should be keeping the PROMISES YOU MADE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.  
>%This administration is already a joke and it's just started!  I even 
>%hear liberals on the local radio talk shows stating that they can't 
>%believe they were suckered into voting for such a liar.  I really 
>%feel sorry for all you people who defended Clinton in the past - you 
>%must feel so foolish now.  I can't wait to see the first Presidential
>%opinion polls.
>
> Ohh, boo hoo. Clinton based his election statements (not PROMISES) 

       Goals.  Goals.  Not statements, goals which any reasonable person
can now see need to be re-evalutated based on...

> BNS data that was later shown to be inaccurate due to padding by Bush 
> in his Economic Report from the President publication.  

       Data which I seem to recall Bush was accused by all sides of having
padded.  I gotta wonder (actually I don't) why a man who claims he can write
a comprehensive economic recovery package would base his statements on
figures provided by the opposition, which the opposition's own backyard
said were cooked.
       But as ex-President Bush might have said, I guess it was a problem
with the vision thing.

> So he has to
> backpeddle, and all the sudden idiots like you are screaming "RECALL!".

       Personally, I hope they spend a great deal of time and money on this 
recall effort before they realize they *can't* recall a President.

> What a whining little shit you are. 

       Well, at least we're past the "Let's all come together, heal the
wounds, and make this country great again!" stage.

> You obviously don't have the guts to be an American.

       Don't be silly.  Blind hatred for government officials, including
Presidents, is a very, very American thing.

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they're different lies."
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