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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: === 1200 Released this Week ====
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:12:18 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <Paula_Lieberman.0710@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
> re aricle by Peter Hjalmarsson:  Another thing delaying Amiga hardware
> stuff into the US market is that there are apparently very few approved
> test sites for FCC compliance testing for Amigas/Amiga hardware, especially
> when compared withe other machines.

The only problem with this theory is that Commodore has it's own "approved"
test site.  The real issues are that getting a system to pass FCC usually
requires at least one more PCB revision cycle and then FCC filing involves
a longer delay between between having a system that "passes" and when you
are allowed to even advertise the system for sale.

This usually means that the US version is at least 6-9 weeks behind the
European (actually worldwide, everywhere *except* the USofA) version,
depending on priorities and show/marketing windows it may be even longer.

> By the way, apparently IDC, doing a study on the share of the
> market/numbers sold of microcomputers in 1991, didn't even MENTION Amigas
> -- though it did include the 20,000 or so NeXt machines, for example, 1.8
> million Macintoshes, 21.2 million IBM PC-compatibles....

For better or worse, Commodore (in the US) is considered a home computer
manufacturer that makes some business/personal products, the others are
personal computer manufacturers who sell some of their product for home use.

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From: slhmz@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Marc Barrett... More lies? Film at eleven.
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:19:05 GMT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <kdarling.721644422@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu>, kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
> slhmz@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>clueless@bradley.edu (Mark Kristie) writes:
>>> Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:
>>>>>You forget one thing; how much is a Quadra system that emulates an Amiga?
>>>>
>>>>The price of the Quadra plus $300.
>>>
>>> WHAAAT?
>>
>>Yes, Marc.  I am sure we all are waiting to know what the hell you are
>>talking about.  Please enlighten our stupid brains...
> 
> Really Big Hint for the humor-impaired: an Amiga costs as low as $300.

  Perhaps so.  But then you would own a Quadra and an Amiga.  Still, the
  Quadra is _NOT_ emulating the Amiga.  EMPLANT makes use of the Amiga
  internals thus the Amiga emulates the Quadra.  (now don't somebody start
  saying that EMPLANT is emulating the Quadra, not the Amiga, because it
  is a combination of the two.

--
Faith
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& MENSTRUAL JOKES
Date: 5 Nov 1992 07:11:23 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <1992Nov5.052858.19768@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S. Seifert) writes:
>Actually, greg (from milwaukee), if you were keeping up on this flame fest,
>you would have noticed that this wonderful Dahmer (hey, I got it right) 
>flame is really paula's (but I really liked it)  I realize its not easy
>to keep up (I know about those wisconsin reading deficiencies).

Fortunately, I have more important things to do than keep up with a
freshman's flamefest with a staunch women's rights activist.  The
reading deficiencies around here are only on the political end of the
spectrum, fortunately.  They do seem to have traced the problem back
to a small barn in Chickenmilk, about 60 miles outside of town, most
often noted as the rumored birthplace of an AI which came to be known
as Marc Barrett.

>Oh no, the geeks think Im a freshman, I guess I should start saying real

Um, you transposed that s.  Don't worry, they'll teach you proper grammar
and spelling so that by the time you've got to pass those proficiency
exams to get your junior status, you'll be a real ace.  Or ass.
Whichever spelling you prefer.

>important stuff like (IBM sucks and AMIGA is folding in norway, or 
>MICROSOFT president Gates has been found in bed with Phyllis Schlaffly
>(did I spell that right?)

I dunno.  I'm sure you were there with the camcorder, you could always
call her up on her personal 1-900 line (you know the one) and ask.
She'll probably tell you all of Bill Gates' pillow talk while you're
at it.

>mike seifert, spewer of crap, but not a homo and not from Wisconsin

So if you're not a homosexual from Wisconsin, what are you and where
are you from?  I had you pinned as an androgenous, amorphous,
babbling, crap-brained befnubblebrolic garfarblax from Centiuron whose
one goal in life was to scratch that one part of ones ass that light
never seems to reach,not to mention the toilet paper.

You know, I think that "spewer of crap" name is really going to stick.
You're going to need some scotch-guard, though, or it'll be a real
mess to clean up.

Greg

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:58:26 EST
From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Games and the C64
 <HNRZTB1w165w@bugend.edvina.se> <1992Nov10.050457.29965@usl.edu>

In article <1992Nov10.050457.29965@usl.edu>, das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel
A) says:
[re: Wolfenstein 3D]
>Heck, I'd imagine they are working on many different scenerios using
>that graphics routine right now..

>I think a futuristic one woould be cool.... [etc.]

Now Dan, quit bragging about DOOM. Don't make me bring up ELITE II (which
we get first, nyaah, nyaah...)

 "But Dr. Radium, was that necessary?" "Rez, _everything_ I do is necessary."
[Your blood pressure just went up.]        Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
DISCLAIMER: If PSU knew I had opinions they'd probably try to charge me for it.
From: Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A1200 Software???
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992
Date: 04 Nov 92  11:04:02

> Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
> From: s9877751@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9877751)
> Message-ID: 4NOV199210581410@phobos.ucc.umass.edu
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
>
>
> What A1200/A4000 software has been released that will take advantage of
> the
> AGA chipset?  I've heard rumours about several titles, but nothing solid.

Prowrite  3.3  supports  256  colours  on  AGA.  Art Department Profesional
supports  256  colours  and HAM-8 images; I saw it convert 24 bit pics into
HAM-8  at  the  World  Of  Commodore in Pasadena, last September.  I'm sure
there are others.

> Will game companies start designing games on the new amigas, or will there
> just be alot of IBM ports.  There should be alot of VGA-compatible ports
> available soon.  Plus, will the new amigas get the software support that
> the
> 500 and 2000 had when they were going strong???

I dont think we'll see any AGA-specific games for a while - perhaps after the
A1200 hits all markets and starts to sell in large numbers.  I'll bet some
of the IBM game makers will consider doing ports, now that the Amiga has
VGA-ish modes.  Some games, like Sim-ant and Sim-earth, *should* benefit
from AGA right now - with the hi-res versions, the games should be a lot
faster - assuming they properly allocated display ram and such (perhaps
they would consider a small update to them to make sure they worked well
on AGA?).

As  for  general  support,  hey,  the  A1200/A4000 run all current software
(well,  except  for those programs that still dont work under 2.04), and it
is  pretty  easy to update applications to use at least some of the new AGA
modes if they are present.

> --Matt

 - Dances With Coyotes - World's slowest programer -Given that the universe-
 ---------------------------------------------------is infinate, and god is-
 ------------ And the fat lady sings... ------------all powerful, would you-
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--- Maximus 2.00
From: L-Bueno@cup.portal.com (Louis Alberto Bueno)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: marc barrett is a republican???
Date: Mon,  9 Nov 92 10:25:08 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <BxDtLK.GCB@news.iastate.edu>

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>marc barrett must be in his own personal hell..
>
>   Not really.  It will be a lot of fun seeing if the Demosocialists can run
>the country better than conservatives.  These people have been wanting to ge
>their hands back on the controls of the national economy for a long time, an
>now they have their chance.  And, since the Demosocialts control all of
>congress and the White House, they will have to take full responsibility for
>all that happens.  The next four years will be ***FUN***!!!!
 
	It figures... someone who'd vote for four more years of domestic
disaster and pedantic non-candor (read: BUSH) *would* find everything
wrong with the Amiga :-)
 
Cheers,
 
--Louis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 16:25:32 GMT

Quoth das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A):

]> I do not know of ANY multimedia software for the Amiga.  Do you really think the

Huh?  <blinking eyes, rubbing sleep out of them..>  You been hiding under
a rock or something?

I'll start the list... I'll let others that are actually FAMILIAR with multi-
media fill in the gaps.

AmigaVision
DeluxeVideo III
Scala
Foundation
Thinker

These are just the ones I've played with and/or own.  There are others I am
less familiar with.

All of the above offer multimedia functionality -- by which I mean that they
can combine the differing media of video, text, and audio into one presentation,
interactive if you so wish.  AmigaVision and DVideo utilize a point and click
paradigm method of constructing presentations.

All of the above will work out of the box with an out of the box Amiga.

All of the above will access any AmigaDOS-mounted device for source and
destination files.

MOST of the above can utilize MIDI for enhanced sound and in some cases
interractive input.

If this isn't multimedia I can only suppose you are using a machine-specific
definition that does not apply to the wider definition generally accepted.

Oh, almost forgot -- all of the above, except Scala, have been available on
dealer's shelves for the past 3 years.  Foundation was until last year called
UltraCard.

(Anyone want to enlighten us on the offerings from Gold Disk, GVP, and
Right Answers?)


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From: stelmack@eggo.tmc.edu (Gregory M. Stelmack)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons why ...
Date: 8 Nov 92 22:00:36 GMT
Organization: University of South Florida, Department of Computer Science and Engineering

Of course, the main thing the Amiga models have over the Falcon is that I can
actually BUY an Amiga. Where is the Falcon?

Also, was it really necessary for me to have to hit the space bar ten times
to get through that list?

--
-- Greg Stelmack (stelmack@eggo.csee.usf.edu)
-- FullTime Grad Student, PartTime Amiga Salesman, PartTime Amiga Developer
-- Author of: Spades, Pro Port Analyzer Plus, more to come...
-- DISCLAIMER: The opinions reflected here are mine and mine alone.
From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV/I, etc...
Distribution: world
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:40:14 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

re article by Philip@stat.toronto.edu  -- I was NOT impressed by the
Grolier's on CDTV -- it had some crude drawings digitized where actual
images of the real things would have been better, AND, with the picture of
the butternut/white walnut tree (a low fidelity drawing), it claimed
butternuts are easy to crack!  I have a tree in my yard to introduce
whoever promulgated THAT to!  (I have to use a hammer on the things! Easy
to crack, HA!)


-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: suopanki@zombie.oulu.fi (Heikki Suopanki)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Reply-To: heikki.suopanki@phoenix.oulu.fi
Organization: Unixverstas Olutensin, Finlandia
	<SUOPANKI.92Nov11185301@zombie.oulu.fi>
	<1992Nov12.181430.4533@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:25:22 GMT

>>>>> On Thu, 12 Nov 92 18:14:30 GMT, jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999) said:

Jeffrey> ]> A 486DX2-66 (or any 486) machine has more raw CPU power than A3000 so in most
Jeffrey> ]> cases it takes longer to do a thing with an A3000 than a 486 machine.
Jeffrey> First of all, quite a fair comparison.  Let's pit a 66 Mhz machine against
Jeffrey> a 16 or 25 MegaHertz machine.  Oh, very good!

Excatly, he said "any IBM".

  < stuff deleted>
Jeffrey> First, a multitasking operating system is a must.  It's a bit much to expect
Jeffrey> someone to wait for the CPU to finish its assigned task before you can move on
Jeffrey> to the next.  TSR's are such a drag...
Jeffrey> What choice do you have?  Well, Winders NT ("Not Today...") or OS/2 2.0 are
Jeffrey> the only good choices I have seen so far.  

If you look around you might see Unix too.

  <more stuff deleted>
Jeffrey> I reread the remainder of this paragraph three times.  I still don't get
Jeffrey> your point.  

My point was that it is possible to get more different things done with
486DX2-66 than with A3000. The guy whose article I was responding to
implied that that's not possible.  

-Heikki
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Pihl)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an I
Reply-To: etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:28:04 GMT

In article 721293584@sfu.ca, griffita@fraser.sfu.ca (David Stuart Griffiths) writes:

> It's nice to see Amiga uses who try and help other potential users by
> suggesting what machine would best fit their needs.  It's a shame the
> IBM community doesn't share the same consideration and tell people to
> use Amigas for graphics and sound rather than trying to convince them
> that an 80x86 based machine is the end-all-be all of computers.

Here in Sweden some of the local TV-stations have discovered Amiga
as an cheap alternative to $100.000 PaintBox'es for making animations and
graphics.


/ Tomas Pihl /   email:   etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se /
/ ELLEMTEL Telecom Systems Lab, Sweden           /
/ Phone: +46-8-727 4338  Fax: +46-8-727 ....    /
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
From: Spiro the Spiny Goldfish <MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:45:51 EST
 <1992Nov9.233145.8885@ra.msstate.edu><1992Nov11.104630.10722@mercury.unt.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Nov11.104630.10722@mercury.unt.edu>, west@ponder.csci.unt.edu
(Bruce West) says:
>    Now your reference to animation and multitasking is laughable!  The Amiga
>*is* multitasking.  The IBM does *NOT* premtive multitask - period.  The
>IBM does not use special coprocessors - period.  To name a few of the
>revolutionary video and animation devices for Amiga only.... one word,
>Toaster.  In terms of 24 bit hi-res scientific analysis check out thenew
>GVP card.

If you think the IBM does not preemptively multitask, you need to check
out OS/2 2.0.

Even Windows preemptively multitasks DOS apps. Windows NT will
preemptively multitask its own apps as well. The ONLY IBM OS that
doesn't multitask at all is DOS, and very few people are using *just*
DOS now.
----
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TEAM OS/2
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!!
Distribution: world
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:35:25 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Nov9.190054.2234@cnsvax.uwec.edu> douddy@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>>>	I agree with the first part of your suggestion for effective change
>>>concerning women's rights, people's rights.. anyone's rights.
>>>	But *HANDGUNS* available for everyone???
>>>	Please, before you reply, I ask you to think on this matter for
>>>a while, and then explain to us *specifically* how crime would plummet and
>> 
>> 	Well, we already know criminals are armed with guns, knifes, baseball
>> bats, chains, ect. We know for a fact that banning handguns does NOT reduce
>> crime. (Chicago, Washing DC.) Nor do 14 day waiting periods reduce crime. (republic
>> of Kalforina.) We do know that letting citizans apply for and if they qualify
>> get concealed weapon permits reduces crime. (Seattle Washington.)
>> 
>> 	I know most people don't know this, but Seattle Washington let
>> the honest people get carry permits and crime dropped 30%. But the
>> media NEVER reported it, and HCI buried it. I guess the facts hurt.
>> 
>> 	Also, answer this question, How does a 5'4" woman defend herself
>> against a 6'2" attacker that is 2X or more heavier than she is?
>> 
>> James Dusek
>	Try Mace.  Simple, effective, small as a tampon, and potent.  Every
>woman should be able to carry it... but here in Wisconsin posession (or maybe
>use?) is punishable by a $10,000 dollar fine.  I don't believe shooting someone
>to death, in self defence, is punishable by a similar fine.
>	I suppose that little kids would get into it and spray each other, 
>causing intense pain and a rash that took a few days to clear up.
>Maybe that's the rational.  Not like childern never shoot each other. 

Mace and pepper gas don't even effect some people, except to make them mad.

To carry either in Massachusetts requires an FID card.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

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From: djkordsm@flauta.engr.ucdavis.edu (David Joseph Kordsmeier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: What Amiga Users Want In Future Software Applications!!!!
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:35:52 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: What Amiga Users Want In Future Software Applications!!!!
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis
Keywords: 

	TOP 10 Most Wanted in Amiga Software Applications
	-------------------------------------------------

I've been compiling a list of e-mail responses and things I've seen on 
the net.  Here goes, in no real particular order of rank( at least 
not until I get some more response )  :


 1)  Two general precursors to all developments:
        o strict compliance with the 2.0 style guide
        o consideration for RTG compatibility

 2)  a word processing package w/support for structured graphics

 3)  a decent word processor with the ability to write FORMULAS
     like e.g. WP 5.1
 
 4)  The Amiga could do with an equation editor and/or a graphical interface to
     AmigaTeX.
 
 5) o an application framework environment (Visual BASIC, Toolbook)
 6)  a word processor that can at LEAST read MS-Word/WP 5.1/AmiPro files
     ( AmiPro for AmigaDos)   
    
 
 7) A word processor which can generate documents with:
   *  Footnotes
   *  Tables
   *  Table of Contents/Figures/Tables
   *  Indices
 
 8) AGA compliant software!!!!
 
 9) Amiga Word Perfect 5.1 
10) C++ for the Amiga (** is now available.  Look under amiga.applications **)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: stud16@cc4.kuleuven.ac.be (Kurt Haenen)
Distribution: world
Date: Thursday, 12 Nov 1992 12:52:31 +01
Organization: K.U.Leuven - Academic Computing Center
Subject: Re: Word Perfect 5.1 for the new Amigas

In article <DAVID.03AW@ARIANE.CAM.ORG>, david@ariane.cam.org writes:
> In article <1992Nov5.150149@cc4.kuleuven.ac.be> stud16@cc4.kuleuven.ac.be (Kurt Haenen) writes:
>
> > I've got only one word for you guys (and it isn't Word Pervert !!!) :
> >
> >
> >                      ######
> >                        ##      ##  ##
> >                        ## ##### ## #
> >                        ## ##     ##
> >                        ## ####  # ##
> >                           ##   ##  ##
> >                           #####
> >
> > Gimme CygnusEd Pro (or even better : EMACS/EPOCH) and TeX/LaTeX and try
> > matching that with Word Perfect.  Ok, it isn't as easy to use as the Pervert
> > thing, but it's got a lot more power.  By the way : I still think F3 shouldn't
> > be used as the help key !!!
>
>    And you think only Amiga have TeX? Almost every plateform known in this
> little universe already have a TeX ported to their respective OS.
>

I wasn't idealizing the Amiga, I just wanted to point out that all
the rubbish on how good Word for Windows or Word Pervert is, is just
that : rubbish !!!  Anyone wanting to do something productive needs
TeX.  Why ?  Well, you gave the reason yourself : TeX exists on almost
any system.  I myself create the document on my Amiga, preview it there
and then I go out and print it using the university's mainframe and
laser-printer.  Try doing that with Word for Windows.  Another thing :
on most systems, there is a public domain TeX, so it doesn't cost me
anything.

> --
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>       Ariane Development Group       |   make decisions
>  also Computer Science Undergraduate |   Without your television
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>        lebeld@JSP.UMontreal.CA       |       - Martin Gore, Depeche Mode

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