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From: CT.LVA@forsythe.stanford.edu (Linda Apperson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Date: 11 Jan 1993 12:11:05 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
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>
>Am I weird in this? Do most of you regularly leave preschoolers alone
>for more than, say 2 minutes?
>
>Kate

We let our daughter play where she wants in our fairly small house,
with the exception of our bedroom and the bathroom.  She's 3.5 now
and loves to spend time alone in her room.  When she was little, we
gated the inappropriate areas (like she wasn't allowed in the
kitchen unless I was there, and we did barricade the Christmas tree
the Christmas she was 1.5).  We childproofed as much as
possible.  I really like having a child who doesn't need me with her
all the time.
Linda
From: BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Booooo, Tyco!
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:29:33 GMT
    <1993Jan11.190542.24754@cbnewse.cb.att.com>
Organization: University of Kentucky

In article <1993Jan11.190542.24754@cbnewse.cb.att.com>
elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
 
>
>In article <1993Jan11.142842.23296@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, andy rogers <rogers@ial3.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:
>> In article <x5_3ss_@rpi.edu> Chris Nelson, nelsonc@colossus.cs.rpi.edu writes:
>> When i was a kid, i noticed how cheesy Tyco toys were, especially for the
>> cost. The only Tyco toys in my house now for my kids have been gifts from
>> people outside the house.
>>
>
>But they do make nice Pre-School Size SuperBlocks that are
>just as nice as DUPLOs and a LOT cheaper.  (Though there
>regular-size SuperBlocks don't seem quite as nice as LEGO bricks).
>--
I've noticed that their Pre-school Size blocks are often somewhat
irregular in size.  Some will fit perfectly fine on one another
ands LEGOs while others are either too snug or too loose.
I don't like their people (and animals)in those buckets, either.
 
Stephanie
 
>Diane Pedersen
>AT&T Bell Laboratories
>Naperville, Illinois
>att!ihlpe!elonich
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ByronB@sunfish.ratsys.com (Byron Bollas)
Subject: Single Parenting
Organization: Rational Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:10:36 GMT

Thanks to all who responded to my single parenting message. Unfortunately, 
over the course of the holidays I experienced some "techincal difficulties" 
and have either lost or misplaced those person's names and addresses. If 
you could again respond to me via Email over the Internet I would 
appreciate it. Please send me your direct INTERNET address so I can respond 
directly back to you.

Thank you,

Byron Bollas
ByronB@ratsys.com 
Byron Bollas
byronb@ratsys.com
Rational Systems, Inc.
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Common Sense and Participation
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:12:48 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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In article <19930106120317SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>, Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com> writes:
> >in article <16B4DBDA0.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> Teresa Creech wrote:
> >Gee, let's bash the professional parents.  How unfair....
>  
> For the record, I wasn't bashing anyone, except *maybe* David.  I too
> am a professional parent.  

Whoa! You mean you get PAID to be a parent? And here we've been doing it for
free....

:-)

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Theresa Jarosz Alberti <sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: Home Diaper washing question
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:10:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.053209.10284@tessi.com> Allen Warren,
allen@tessi.com writes:

>My question:  How much do other home-diaper launders use in the way
>of bleach?  Also, are there other alternatives to using bleach?  Has
>anyone else found this problem?

Hi there!  I've been washing diapers at home for 6 months.  I do not SOAK
the diapers in bleach-- I soak them in Borax and hot water, then do a
wash cycle with detergent and bleach (I'm also guilty of not measuring
but no more than a cup).   This way the bleach is only in the washing
machine for a short time, and the Borax is much gentler.

What a pain to have to monkey with parts on your new washing machine!  

--Theresa Jarosz Alberti
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Parents Magazine confuses on circumcision
Date: 7 Jan 1993 23:13:45 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
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Summary: don't have to be Jewish to find remarks anti-Semitic!
Keywords: circ

In article <1993Jan7.163809.12387@verity.com> mkrupit@vulture.verity.com (Mike Krupit) writes:
>As a practicing Conservative Jew and father of a 7 week old son,
>I have been silently following the misc.kid's circumcision debate.
>
>I'll keep my two cents out of this, but did want to let you know
>that I found your opening remark quite anti-Semitic and I'm sure 
>that lots of Jews who read it will be offended as well.  I beleive
>that you owe an apology (or an explanation) to the world.
>
>>  Although PARENTS magazine is in general a "party line"
>> Yuppie(Jewish) magazine,they could have done parents a better service
>> in their January issue in an article authored by two women,Kathrine
>> Karlsrud,MD and Dodi Shultz.
>  (stuff deleted)
>> --
>>            ******** Gary E. Davis***** WQ1F *****
>
>BTW, I didn't think that the Parent's article was very good and I
>did disagree with many of their secular points.

Hey, I'm not a practicing ANYTHING (religious, that is) and I found
Mr. Davis' remarks extremely anti-Semitic.  
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 2 years)	 	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Subject: Baby fussy when breastfeeding
Originator: cew@pelham
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:09:04 GMT

This may not be applicable to this question.  But, when I
would nurse my son he absolutely got furious (from birth)
if I talked while I was feeding him. I couldn't talke to
anyone in the room or on the phone.  He would fuss and
wiggle and when he was a little older he would unlatch
and give me a really mad look.  A friend of mine thot I
was kidding, until she came over one day and tried to
talk to me during feeding time.  And I thot the portable
phone was going to be so handy.

Cathryn Chiesa
From: dudding@sallyride.crd.ge.com (Kate Dudding)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Laying newborn on stomach
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:03:12 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

Our in-hospital training 8 years ago said to wedge the baby so it lies on its
side, using stuffed animals or rolled up receiving blankets for wedges in the
basinette.  That way, any spit-up drains out of the mouth.  So that's what
we did for the first few months.

-- 
Kate Dudding                                   dudding@crd.ge.com
GE Corporate Research and Development
Bldg. KW, Room C315
PO Box 8, Schenectady, NY 12301                (518) 387-7164
From: ellenb@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Ellen Boyle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Biting :-(
Date: 8 Jan 1993 23:21:22 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: diva.berkeley.edu

Biting is something that most toddlers will have to deal with, 
either as the biter or the bitee.  Since their verbal skills 
aren't up the the range of their feelings, biting can be a very 
direct communication skill.  I have found that the biter usually 
is frustrated with the bitee.  As a child care provider, I would 
have let your son know that it was not 'okay' to bite, it hurts, 
people don't like it, etc. (I really try to stay away from 'bad', 
personal choice). Then he wouldn't of been able to play on the
slide for awhile.  I would also make sure he noticed the victim's 
reaction. If your son wasn't particularly upset, I would ask him 
to help me get the ice to put on the bite.  After removing your son 
from the situation and comforting the person bit, I would talk to 
him sympathetically - trying to understand why he did it and then 
explaining again why it wasn't an okay reaction and giving him an
alternative like asking for help.

I really think that spanking him is very ironic.  You're
saying, "you hurt someone, so I'm going to hurt you." - ugh.
Certainly since it was his first offense, it seemed too
harsh to me.  I must say by the third time in one day I'd
probably ready to spank but only because of my own anger, 
not because it would do any good - so I wouldn't.

What you need to do is patiently help your son learn to
control himself and follow the rules of accepted behavior.
A tough job.

-Ellen
From: lcheap@cac.washington.edu (Laurel Cheap )
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Date: 5 Jan 1993 20:41:42 GMT
Organization: UW Computing
Distribution: world
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In article <JGJ.93Jan5095143@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com>, jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson) writes:

|> Here's a question (to tie things back into misc.kids sort of): did
|> *anyone* out there ever have a civics class as a kid that actually
|> taught the bill of rights?  Did anyone out there ever even read the
|> constitution as part of a class? 

Yes, I did as part of my high school American History & Govt class.  In
fact, I enjoyed and thought so highly of the teacher that I married him!
:)  (no joke)

|> I know I never had such a class.

That's unfortunate and very surprising.

|> I've always thought that one of the conditions for graduating from one
|> grade to another should be to recite the whole constitution with
|> amendments from memory.

Education does not mean regurgitation.  Students should learn what the
Bill of Rights, Constitution & amendments mean and how they affect their
lives, not just what the words are.

-Laurel
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From: srb@aretha.jax.org (Susan Dewey)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: mommy's shadow, (was Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives)
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:04:09 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: The Jackson Laboratory

> In article <1993Jan7.191854.15050@octel.com>, cathy@octel.com (Cathy Kearns) writes...
> > 
> >Do you mean do preschoolers regularly leave their mommies alone for
> >more than, say 2 minutes?  Okay, my daughter also watches me shower,
> >mostly because if I lock the door I come out to find her in a heap
> >on the floor crying.  
> > 

Morning showers are the sign that Zack (2.2) can get out of bed. He'd be in
with 
us at 4am otherwise. He'll hang out, ask me what I'm washing, if my hair's 
wet yet, when I'm getting out, talk about the day. I'll ask if he wants to 
go in and see Daddy. Nope. Daddy's shower isn't nearly as fascinating.

Yet by the time breakfast is over and before we head off for daycare, Zack
is Mr. Independence himself, playing alone in the living room with his
animals or driving his trains around. 

We've lately had workmen painting and carpentering. He'll pull up a 
little stool or perch on a step ladder and ask them "what you doin'? 
why you doin' that?" as about 5 minutes of his moring routine, then off 
to play by himself. When he gets lonely, he'll bring his stuff into the
kitchen
or our bedroom to play near us. We keep an eye & ear on him when he's 
in another room.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: AMY.UHRBACH@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Amy Uhrbach")
Subject: re Boston visit
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:55:40 GMT

I'd second the votes for the Science museum.  Also the Museum of Fine Arts, if
they're interested in that.  In both cases, leave lots of time for the museum
shop!!  The Science museum especially has tons of cheap things (under$3!) that
my friends' kids want!  I went last week with my son (35m) and 4 boys aged
8-12.  We all had a blast.
From: beth@col.hp.com (Beth Vail Jones)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How do you get a 7 month old to stay still!!!
Date: 11 Jan 1993 15:56:04 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
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Regarding the Won't-Take-Medicine problem:

If your child struggles a lot, this might be a message that they want
to have more control over the situation, not that the medicine tastes
bad.  If your child has mastered swallowing food that comes off a spoon,
you might try this approach.

I found out from my daycare mother that my kids will willingly take
medicine from a spoon, even if they refused the same medicine from a
dropper.  I measure the medicine into a syringe or dropper, then squirt
it onto the spoon in a quantity that the child can handle.  The child
must be sitting comfortably - it doesn't work to hold him in my arms,
because the spoon usually gets bumped and spilled before the medicine
goes into the mouth.

By the way, my kids both strongly prefer Tempra (the most expensive form
of acetaminophen!) over Tylenol or others.  I have to admit, the grape
taste is appealing to me.  My older son (3 1/2 years) is able to handle
chewables when he's wide awake, and he likes them.  My younger son (21
months) can now chew vitamins, so next time he has a fever I'll offer
chewable Tempra.

Beth Jones, mom to Ben (4/22/89) and Andy (4/3/91)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Carol F. Topp <ctopp@cup.portal.com>
Subject: Re: Planning babies
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 19:06:54 GMT

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In article <9301042032.AA28372@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> ,
statar@ihlpb.att.com writes:
>I'd like some views from you misc.kidders on
>when to have another baby.  I have two daughters,
>born 4/26/90 and 5/22/92.  We would like to have
>our third child be at least 2 years but no more than
>3 years younger than Kathy.  We have both always
>liked spring birthdays best, but this summer we
>were somewhat trapped inside by having a baby too
>young to go out much, she couldn't open her eyes
>outside when it was sunny and bright!  

I can't imagine being able to plan so carefully. My first
took 18 long months to conceive (we had almost given up)
and the second took 1 month. 

The results are a spring baby - 4/4/91 and a fall baby - 10/16/92.
I am still on maternity leave (1.5 weeks more ). I might
be romanticizing, but I liked the nice weather and ease of
taking a walk with a wee one in the summertime. It's a lot
harder to get back into shape when it's cold and rainy. 

If you have a couple or three months of maternity leave, think
about the timing that will make them the most pleasant.

Carol
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: Fertility and frequency
Keywords: Sperm
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 15:38:00 GMT

In article <1isoinINNsin@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
|> 
|> Thats what I have heard too. Also, wear loose fitting underwear and pants,
|> avoid hot baths, jacuzzis, etc. But, this is important when the mans sperm
|> count is marginal. There are plenty of people out there going at it like
|> bunnies, and reproducing like bunnies too. The original poster should consider
|> having his sperm count checked. It is a fairly easy procedure to check out
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> a mans sperm count, motility, etc.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> Laura Floom
 
If only it were that easy to "check out" the prospective MAMA!  I think 
that's why most infertility workups START OUT with a sperm count, etc,
because if that checks out O.K., they generally stop looking at HIM and
focus their attention on HER.  My infertility experiences are over 9
years old though (they ended successfully, I might add :-), so maybe 
it's different now. 

Jan
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mark@ocsmd.ocs.com (Mark Wilson)
Subject: Re: The Mouse and the Motorcycle
Organization: Online Computer Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:27:44 GMT

I would also be interested in this information, as we loved the movie,
too... I tried to email Toni, but her mail bounced (may be my 
system's fault, I dunno), so could whoever has the info. please
post it here!

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From: klj@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.l.carr)
Subject: Sleep Question (Please no Ferber)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:14:44 GMT


I really don't want to get into a Ferber/no Ferber discussion.  I have the
Ferber book, I've read it, we've tried it once between ear infections, and
intellectually, I agree with it.

Now, emotionally, I have a problem.  Alison now is on her preventative
antibiotics.  She is doing okay and we would like her to sleep through the
night (since that means we can!).  The problem is I have this emotional
problem with letting her cry! (even if it gets progressively less and only
takes a week until she can put herself to sleep).

What I would like to know is the following:  are there parents out there
who had a child that woke up during the night and had problems with putting
the child down without helping the baby to go to sleep?  If you do exist
and you consciously decided NOT to use the Ferber method, did your child
learn to go to sleep on his/her own and learn to put her/himself back to
sleep in the middle of the night (resulting in "sleeping through the
night")?  If your child did learn, about at what age?

I suspect if I get no positive replies to this, then we will go ahead and
use the Ferber method (and I will probably have to bite a bullet during the
transition period).  If there are positvie replies, well, then I'm not 
sure what I will do.  I realize not letting your child cry (ummm...not cry
but SCREAM) is not PC, but....


	Karen  (mom to Alison 7.5 months old)

PS  Let me explain a little about not letting Alison cry bit.  I let her
cry, when I am busy and can't get to her right away (I also talk with her
during that time).  BUT she isn't screaming like when she is put into her
bed by herself at night.  Its the screaming I can't stand (and really don't
think it is great for building a positive relationship -- on one level of
thinking).  I guess these thoughts of her feeling herself being abandoned
keep running through my mind. (And no, I wasn't abandoned as a child....)
From: sylvia@maple.njit.edu (sylvia gray)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Breastpump question and recommendations
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:43:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: smt2626@hertz.njit.edu



Here is a question for all those mothers who breast feed and use a pump.
I will be due in March and plan to go back to work (part-time I hope)
eventually.  I currently plan to breastfeed the kid but while that is fine
at home, I wanted to continue giving the child breast milk even when I am 
at work.  I figured I would use the breast pump to obtain and store milk
while I am at work.  I would like to know if there are other mothers who
are doing this or have done this and any recommendations of breast pumps
and well, suggestions in general for this since this is my first.
I also figured if I start storing breast milk 'immediately',  my husband
could then do the night feeding :-) while I sleep thereby bonding with
the child that I have read often doesn't happen like it should for the 
father.

Please e-mail your responses to sylvia@maple.njit.edu

Thanks

		-- sylvia
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: Early Puberty (summary)**LONG**
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:31:14 GMT
Summary: growth stopping


One thing I didn't see in the summary of articles on early
menses is the correlation between menses and no longer
growing much in height.  Apprarently menstruation is a trigger
for the growing ends of bones to start hardening, so only
a couple more inches in height will happen.  The point is
that if a girl is very short relative to adult women and menses
seems to be coming, a parent may want to consult with a doctor
about medication to delay menses until the girl
has grown a bit more.
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
From: tima@hls.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Family size survey
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:35:55 GMT


When I was growing up, it seemed that the usual number of
children in a family was two. I've noticed recently though
that several of my friends have decided to only have one
child. I was curious if this is a trend or just a statistical
fluke. Therefore, I've made up the following survey form that
I would like to distribute:

     Children's birthdate
          (mon/year)
     #1    _________
     #2    _________
     #3    _________
     #4    _________

     Parent's Birthdates
           _________
           _________

     Do you plan on having more children ? ___
     If so, how many ? ___

I'll summarize and post the results in a couple of weeks or
whenever the responses taper off.

Tim
tima@hls.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kkuisman@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Kalle E Kuismanen)
Subject: Re: how to raise a bilingual kid
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:23:17 GMT

In <C01A5z.Jv1@world.std.com> cwn@world.std.com (Christopher W Nash) writes:

>I'm sure at some point or other this topic has been raised here, but
>I need recommendations for books about teaching a kid how to talk when one
>parent is a native English speaker and the other is not. In my case my
>wife is Danish and we are about to have a baby. We plan to bring the kid
>up using both languages but we'd like to learn more about just how to do
>it. So if anyone can suggest a book or article about this or if you have
>any other advice, I'd be greatful. Thanks
>chris
>cwn@world.std.com

	Well I can't help you as far as books or articles go , but I can
give you advice from experience.  We are raising our daughter
bilingually , finnish and english.  The way we have worked it out is we
both speak our mother tongues to Sonia.  She is just starting to speak
, half the words being in finnish and the other half in english.  Her
understanding seems to be complete in both.  
	I've discussed bilingualism with many of our friends , a number of
whom are raising their children the same way.  Everyone seems to agree
that this appears to be the best method.  Some of our friends have
themselves been raised with this method They say how grateful they
are for being given the gift of two mother tongues.
	It's difficult for the person whose language isn't usually
spoken at home to get use to it (kind of feels like you're talking to yourself). 
Don't get discouraged , it pays off in the end.


	Shannon Kuismanen 
	(mother to Sonia , 18 mons)

P.S.  Also don't get worried about your child not starting to speak the same
timeas others.  It is very common for bilingual children to
start speaking later and shows no sign of disabilties as some may like
you to think.  They're learning two languages fully , that takes some
time , even for kids who naturally have an amazing ability for learning.

	
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