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From: silverio@cass.ma02.bull.com (Brian Silverio)
Subject: Can MIAMI  go undefeated again? was: Can Bills go 16-0?
Organization: Bull World Wide Information Systems Inc.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:03:47 GMT

After watching Miami take Buffalo apart, the question is:

Can anyone beat Miami?


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From: tech@maitland.cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Re: Bring on the FISH (Doug Evans might not want to read
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:19:21 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

In article <152680005@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes) writes:
> read your entire post and have NO! idea what you said. Just like Donny and
> Fish! alot of words but Sooooooooo little content.

Choke on it kevin. 

Tony (less words, more content) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Saints
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:40:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.165234.11070@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> hall@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Philip Hall 283-4031) writes:

>So quit whining, we'll see you in San Francisco in November. 

What is this knee-jerk reaction of Aints fans to label anything a Niner
fan says as whining?  For those of us who can read for comprehension,
it was clear that there was no whining going on in this thread whatsoever.
By stating otherwise you merely discredit yourselves.

Are all Aints fans like you?

>If we find a
>running game by then, the result will be much different.

You'll be on natural grass then, bud.  Better find a BIG running game.
Not too many teams enjoy playing the Niners late in the season, either...



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From: aperkins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Aaron B. Perkins)
Subject: EAGLES
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:42:12 GMT

        EAGLES WILL WIN THE SUPERBOWL AND I WILL BET ANYONE HERE ANYTHING ON
        ONHE PICK THAT THEY MUST MATCH ME OK????????!!!!!!

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From: drew@verdix.com (Drew Johnson)
Subject: Re: Dallas *notepad*
Organization: Verdix Corp.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:07:04 GMT

In article <1afe0iINNgji@news.aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>
>I have been favoring the Eagles all week in my thoughts, but I
>really believe now that the Cowboys have the tools to win.  I looked
>back at the 1st half of the Eagles game and what the pass rush did

I think you mean Skins, not Eagles.

>(when fired up) vs. the Hogs.  The offense is (believe it or not) much

Keep in mind that the Skins were so unprepared for crowd noise in that
game that in many cases, half the O-line was executing one play, while
the other half was executing another.  Couple that with the fact that Lachey
had a terrible game, and I think you'll realize that there is no
real comparison here.

The Cowboys managed only 14 points in offense against a team that could
barely manage the 4 snaps it takes to send the ball to the punter :).
They certainly put up the yardage numbers, but the offense did not light
up the scoreboard.

>better than the first 3 weeks have indicated (IMHO).  Obviously, the

I definitely think they have improved on offense since that first game,
where they were a bit rusty.

Lest I be labelled 'cowboy-basher', I think they are playing some of the
best ball in the NFC right now, ranking with the Eagles and 49er's.  However,
given their defensive breakdowns against NY and Phoenix, I think they
are far from unstoppable.

>pass rush and the secondary (containing Randall) are the only concerns
>the Cowboys have with the Eagles O (not to say that they don't have
>other weapons).  On O, the Cowboys offensive line showed that it could
>contain every bit of the Eagles D at its best in the 2nd game of last
>season.  The addition of Erik Williams and his play vs. big name DE
>should help, as should the fact that Tuinei is remaining healthy and
>Newton is getting the hang of RG.  The question marks remain on
>Stepnoski/Cornish's readiness as well as the effectiveness of Gesek.
>I believe that if the Eagles have a defensive weakness, it will be
>exactly at Aikman's strength.  A three step drop and throw it short
>for high percentage and short gain....
>
>* The Eagles are a great team, but they are playing a fired up,
>overprepared, and underrated (in this game) Dallas team.  I think the
>Eagles are a better team at this point in the season, but I don't see
>the Cowboys losing this game.  I bet on JJ over Kotite, the only
>matchup that truly counts in this game.....

I don't think this is the 'only matchup that truly counts.'  You can bet
that Dallas won't be the only fired up team at the Vet come monday. If this
game is in Dallas, I would bet on the Cowboys to win it by a FG.  In Philly,
I have to give it the Eagles by a TD, maybe a little more.  Of course,
I am assuming that the legendary choke-factor is a myth.  I am referring
to the fact that Randall and Herschel have this probably-undeserved 
reputation for blowing it when it's important. :)

Drew
drew@verdix.com
From: tchriste@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Todd Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: ATLANTA FALCONS WK4 STATS
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:54:40 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

TEAM
Atlanta Falcons (1-3)

GAME SUMMARY

          Atlanta    Chicago*
Pts       31         41
Rushing   10-24      36-217
Pass Att  30-48-1    18-24-0
Pass Yds  351        280
Fum-Lost  1-0        0-0
Poss      25:21      34:39

PASSING
Miller 30-48-1 351 4P

RUSHING
Broussard 5-21
Miller    1-4 
Pegram    1-1 
Fulhage   1-0
Smith     2-(-2)

RECEIVING
Rison     10-177 3T
Hill      8-83
Pritchard 8-52
Jones     3-41 T
Hinton    1-(-2)

KICKING
Johnson  (46) 4X

SACKS

INTERCEPTIONS

INJURIES
Pritchard, shoulder

SUMMARY NOTES
24 yards rushing, what can you say?

OTHER NOTES 
*= Home Team
P= Touchdown Pass Thrown
T= Touchdowns Scored
F= Field Goal Scored (number in parens is distance)
X= Extra Point Scored
PASSING: completions,attempts,interceptions, TD passes
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Rating the franchises. (Bills special teams)
Organization: University of Michigan
	<BILLMS.92Sep25125048@quip.eecs.umich.edu>
	<Bv5M3r.29r@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:14:33 GMT

In article <Bv5M3r.29r@acsu.buffalo.edu> evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations) writes:

   In article <BILLMS.92Sep25125048@quip.eecs.umich.edu>, billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes...
   >Still smarting from the loss I see.  The Bills: "We never lose a game, we
   >just have games we don't really try to win".  Try to win a superbowl
   >sometime, ok?  It would make the day more interesting for the rest of us.

   Bill, get a clue will ya? You've been talking like this ever since that
   game last year. Us Bills fans are *not* smarting from that loss. I was
   at the game, I enjoyed it (because I love to see Barry run) but I wasn't
   upset by the loss in the least.

   I don't know why you feel so compelled to be antagonistic about the loss
   to the Lions - it seems like such a pointless thing to me.


Actually, I'm sorry I brought the whole thing up again.  It is a pretty
pointless discussion.  I just thought it seemed particularly stupid for a
Bills fan to hold Detroit over Dallas's head, when the Bills also lost (for
*whatever* reason) to the Lions.  That was all, and I should have left it at
that, but I let myself get dragged into (and later dragged others into) the
same old discussion.  Sorry about that.

Bill
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From:  ()
Subject: Re: Predictions, anyone?
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Public Macs, Academic Computing, Yale University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:25:28 GMT

In article <BvMHvE.97A@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v079m8ta@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
(JONNY B. GOODE) wrote:
> 
> In article <ahn-041092193602@branford-college-node.net.yale.edu>, ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn) writes...
> >Nah. Dolphins will meet the Chiefs in the AFC Championship.
> >The Cowboys (Dallas, You're welcome! We aim to please! Take good care of
> >Jimmy Johnson for us! Love, Miami :-) will meet the Eagles.
> 	[...]
> >Dolphins will win. Come on folks! I got to feel like the Dolphins surpassed
> >my expectations when they win this thing.
> >Eugene "Mos Eisley" Ahn     ahn@suncis.cis.yale.edu
> 
> 
> 	It's amazing how fickle football fans are.  Just 24 hours ago, Buffalo
> was favored to win the AFC East and the AFC title, period.  One loss later,
> they're not even contenders anymore.  It truly amazes me.

Fickle! What are you blind!? Since when did I suscribe to your predictions?
Or do you just assume that the world is one homogenous viewpoint? I stand
by my words. Chiefs vs. Eagles. Despite the Broncos come from behind
victory against the Chiefs today. I mean for god's sake, folks, it's just a
prediction. What am I, God?

Funny. that prediction got cut out of there. Well, never was a crime to
plug for your team.

I say foo to all you Bills fans. Bills are good, but not good enough to be
pissed off that someone doesn't think they'll make it to the AFC. Where do
you come from with this attitude! I'm not the one who was shouting out my
ass about how destined they are for the Superbowl. 

----
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"If you don't know everything, you don't know jack shit."
From: blang@cbacc.cba.uga.edu (Brett Lang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: WANTED!!! Players for Best of 1986-1990 League
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:45:49 GMT
Organization: Terry College of Business, University of Georgia

Hi world!!!

I recently acquire Micro Pro League NFL Football and would like to set up a 
league.  Currently the only teams available are the 28 NFL teams from 1986, 
1987, 1988, 1989, and 1990.  If you are interested in participating:

Send me a list of the 28 teams ranked in the order you wish to play them.  
For each team pick the year that you want to use for your choice.  Send them 
to me, and I'll use Diplomacy-type selection to assign the teams.  Unique 
first choices (only 1 person) will automatically get their selection.  
If multiple people picked the same team as first choice (regardless of 
year), a tie-breaker will ensue.  The winner gets the team (and the year 
they chose); the losers can hope for their 2nd choice....this will go on 
until all the teams are assigned.

Entrents will be limited to the first 28 respondents.  If I have these 
choices by Wednesday afternoon, I will assign the teams and mail you your 
allotment.  I will also mail you a roster form so you can analyze your 
strengths and weaknesses.  Each week I will send you the roster of your 
opponent as well.  You can then look at the two rosters (yours and the 
opponents) and make your selection as to coaching plans for the 104 item 
form that makes up your game play.  The form contains items such as 
preferred receivers and ball carriers, % breakdown of passing/running plays 
in certain downage situations, defensive style, blitz %, starting QB, and 
many other goodies.  For this first week, you'll get your team assignments 
along with the first game information by Thursday Noon.  On Friday I'll 
collect your information and run the games over the weekend.  On Monday, 
I'll mail the results, standings, league leaders, and the info for game 
two.  I will then collect the info on Thursday and we'll continue to follow 
this Monday/Thursday info swap.

Conferences and Divisions will be set up in the same manner as the existing 
NFL structure.  Schedules will be done the same way.

I look forward to a good season!!!!
E-Mail me your list of teams!!!
BLANG@cbacc.cba.uga.edu
(Brett Lang--future referee)
From: evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dolphins win a big one...
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BvMEu2.7q3@acsu.buffalo.edu>, evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations) writes...
>Some comments from today's game:

There was one other thing I forgot to mention:

When Stoyanavich went for the second field goal, I fully expected to 
see the Bills pull out all the stops and go for the block. (Remember
the 77 second miracle?)

We still had nearly a full quarter to play, and if Kelly gets on the
mark, we could get back in it.

So what do they do? They pull the outside rushers (our speed guys)
back from the line! They were not going to put on a rush, and at
that point the Tegger and myself went absolutely berserk.

What in the fuck is going through the coaches minds sometimes? I
mean, what...Miami is up by 3 touchdowns and they might go for
the fake FG? Give me a break!

Things like this make me feel as though the coaches don't have a
handle on the game. A blocked FG is just what the Bills needed
at that point. I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THEY DIDN'T GO FOR IT! GOD!


*sigh*

Doug

                                  |                              Doug Evans
                                  | State University of New York at Buffalo
                                  |             evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Mark Clayton (answer)
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:53:24 GMT

In article: <6675@transfer.stratus.com>-gene@ok.sw.stratus.com (Eugene Loparco) writes:

>Does anyone have any news on Mark Clayton?  When is he coming back?  How
>serious is his injury? etc.


>-Gene

According to the Dolphin Digest for last week Mark should be ready and activated for
the Jills game coming up this week. The Digest suggested that to make room for him
expect to see Fred Banks cut loose. The news on Reggie Roby isn't as good. It looks
like he'll be out at least a month.


John T.

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From: chico@athena.mit.edu (Thomas A Weston)
Subject: Re: QB's named Steve
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 13:58:24 GMT

In article <lcqd3nINNasr@langtry.cs.utexas.edu>, joel@cs.utexas.edu (Joel Daniel Just) writes:
|> 
|> Has anyone else noticed that there are a heckuva lot of QB's in the NFL
|> named Steve?
|> 
|> Examples:  Bono, Young, Pelluer, Beuerlein, Walsh, DeBerg
|> 
|> Does anyone have any additions/deletions for this list?  And can anyone
|> explain this strange phenomenon?
|> 
|> 
Wait a second.  You said quarterbacks.  I hardly think Pelluer or Walsh qualify.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Subject: Re: question
Reply-To: drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:33:25 GMT

In article <5721@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>In article <Ueml4qO00YV702Voxd@andrew.cmu.edu>, ic1a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ian Chan) writes:
>
>>1)  which were the strongest teams in the early 80s? 
>
>For the purposes of this question, I will consider the early 80's to be
>1980-84 (Super Bowls 15-19).
>  In the AFC, the Raiders were the main power.  They won supes XV and XVIII,
>and are in fact the last AFC team to win it all.  They made the playoff four
>out of five of these years.  Their main competition in the AFC West was
>San Diego.  In the Central, the Steelers made the playoffs a couple of times,
>as did the Browns, but the Bengals made supes XVI.  In the east, the Dolphins
>were the best team.  They made supes XVII and XIX
>   In the NFC, the 49ers made their rise to power.  They won Supes XVI and XIX.
>The Rams were also a consistent playoff team.  The Redskins and Cowboys
>usually battled for the NFC East crown, though the Eagles snuck through in
>80-81 and made it to the superbowl.  The Skins won supes XVII, and lost to the
>Raiders the next year.  The NFC central was terrible.  Minnesota was usually
>the winner there.
>
>>2) & what where the strong points of these teams? (ie strong passing
>>attack, good run defense, all round consistency, etc 
>>3) who were the star players?
>
>  The Raiders won with: QB heroics of Jim Plunkett (my hero!); speed of WR
>Cliff Branch and consistency of TE Todd Christensen;  versatility of RB
>Marcus Allen (XVIII MVP); vicious defensive line anchored by Howie Long
>and Lyle Alzado; good linebacking corps with Rod Martin and Ted Hendricks;
>solid offensive line anchored by Gene Upshaw (XV) and Art Shell (XV); and most
>of all, the best defensive backfield in the game: Lester Hayes, Vann McElroy
>Mike Davis and Mike Haynes (XVIII)
>  The Skins won with a great receiving corps (Monk, Brown, Garrett, Wonsley),
>the best offensive line in football, quality QB Joe Theismann, and power
>runner John Riggins.  DE Dave Butz anchored the defense.  Mark Moseley was
>one of the best K in the game and pulled a lot of games out for them.
>  The Niners were led by (who else?) Joe Montana, WR Dwight Clark, Roger Craig
>(in XIX--in XVI they were the first team to win it all with absolutely no
>running game) and other notables who escape me at present.
>  All the superbowl winners had great QB's and aggressive defenses.  They 
>all had exciting, pass-oriented offenses.  With the exception of the niners
>in XVI, they all had power runners who could get 5 yards on first down, setting
>up the passing game.
>
>
>	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
>"Well, he's not the most intelligent guy in the world."
>			--MTV VJ Duff, on dinner partner Christian Laettner

Damn!!!!! I miss the early 80's.

A Raider fan
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers/Saints
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:46:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Sep30.204622.7776
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep30.184810.15204@cs.tulane.edu> buckley@cs.tulane.edu (James Buckley) writes:

>In article <nq+pklf.mzimmers@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

>>In article <1992Sep29.032441.28570@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:

>>>To the refs' credit : the Saints' linebackers got called for offsides
>>>several times in the game, deservedly so (i.e., even *I* screamed
>>>"***O-F-F-S-I-D-E-S***" as the play started). And I think they got away

>>I agree that the officiating sucked big time, but I wonder if those
>>apparent but uncalled offsides were optical illusions on the TV viewer.
>>Given that the Niners' linemen couldn't hear the snapcount, and that
>>they can't watch the center as easily as a LB can, it's quite possible
>>that the Aints' LBs were simply getting jumps on the ball faster than
>>the Niners' line were.  To a TV viewer who can't really see the center,
>>this would look like offsides, as the LB is across the line of scrimmage
>>before you see the OL move.

>"optical illusions" ... ha ha ha ... gimme a break!  I find it interesting
>that the Niner's win and people (and I use that term loosely) are still
>whining about this and that.  (maybe this is fallout from the Bills game :-)
>I've heard of sore losers, but "sore winners"???  Oh well, till we meet
>again ...

Do you enjoy making an ass of yourself in public?

Go back and re-read my paragraph above.  If it's beyond you, let me try
using smaller words to avoid confusing you.

	Maybe it wasn't that the Aints LBs (LB stands for LineBacker,
	those huge and fast men on your TV screen) were early.  Maybe
	it was that the Niners OL (Offensive Lineman, those very big
	but not quite so fast men on TV) were late to react to the
	snap because the couldn't hear the count.  To a TV viewer,
	the two would look very much alike.

I hope this remedial version is one you can handle.

And since when does trying to explain what we saw in the game,
constitute whining?  A bit of thought in your next post will
go a long way toward making you look less foolish.

Are all Aints fans like you?

Sheesh.

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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Go GIANTS!)
Subject: Re: Best Performance
Organization: Yale University Computing & Information Systems
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:20:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.033956.26427@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
>Subject: Re: Best Performance
>Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:39:56 GMT

>In article <91486@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>>Hi,
>>
>>The single best performance by a quarterback in a post season game (including
>>all of Joe Montana's glory years) is by PHIL SIMMS (yay!) in the 1986 Super
>>Bowl.  The pressed spoke of the opposing teams' great QB (Elway .. boo!) and
>>Phil proved he belonged with the best of em going 22 for 25 for 287 yards,
>>no interceptions.  In the second half of the game he was 10 for 10!
>>
>>satish nair
>>
>>Hey Adriene, us GIANTS fans are still here ... waiting for things to happen!
>>

>BIG DEAL! Montana has played FOUR SB's without ANY INT's; he has
>scored the most points (total); passed for more yards; HE IS THE
>BEST!

 John, can you post Joe "Party Animal" Montana's stats for his 
superbowl performances. 
 
Yeah, he played in more SB's, overall giving him more yards, but were his 
completion percentages better?

I dont have the stats, but my bet is NOT!

Adriene L. Nazaretian        
Yale University              
ADRIENE@YALEADS.BITNET        
ADRIENE@YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU  
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From: bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King)
Subject: Q of EAGLES
Organization: University of Hawaii
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:27:49 GMT




The paper hints that Rich Miano (backup F.S) has an injured knee.

any idea h this happened? in practice or in a game?  and
how bad it it?

thanx

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From: al166831@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Jorge Alfonso Gonzalez Diaz De Leon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Skins vs. Lions Evaluation
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:32:48 GMT

I was wondering if someone has the Stats on this game, i need them

if you do i'll appreciate if you post them or send them to me

Thanks

al166831@academ01.mty.itesm.mx



GO REDSKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!