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From: olsen@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Diane Olsen)
Subject: Re: Traveling to Europe and need some pointers
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:59:20 GMT

In article <CINDY.92Oct8173523@solan10.solan.unit.no> cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
>>5) What language barriers will I encounter?
>>I am deathly scared of not being able to communicate with other
>people.
>>The only language I had in college was German and I "D"ed that with a
>lot
>>of work.  What books should I purchase and what should I study before
>the
>>trip?
>
>If you stick to touristy areas, you will have no problem if you're
>patient and speak clearly. However, having said that, it's always
>polite to at least TRY to learn a few words - "hello" and "good-bye"
>at least, and learning the numbers up to ten and a few other words
>(like what the signs on the public toilets say!) will be a big help.
>You'd be amazed, though, how far you can get with a skeleton
>vocabulary, smiles, a lot of pointing and a lot of patience.  Mostly
>patience.  

I concur, except that for "hello" and "good-bye" I'd substitute
"thank you."  A beseeching look followed by an enthusiastic "Thank you!"
when you are helped will take you far.  This is especially true in
countries such as Hungary ("K"os"on"om!") where even tourists who
speak French, German, and English fluently seldom make this tiny effort.

--Diane

-- 
Diane L. Olsen		"A woman with a mind is fit for all tasks."
olsen@csli.stanford.edu		--Christine de Pizan (c.1363-c.1431)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,misc.legal
From: davelett@athena.mit.edu (Richard Sun)
Subject: Re: guns & travel
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:01:33 GMT

dmercer@oracle.com (David Mercer) writes:

>So how can I, citizen Joe, not rich or powerful, exercise my constitutional
>right to keep and bear arms in NYC?

Move to Florida.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Re: Your favorite guidebooks
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:01:29 GMT

In article <92289.162221U48073@uicvm.uic.edu> U48073@uicvm.uic.edu
(Cole Kendall) writes: 
>I was wondering whether others would like to list the guide books
>that they find most useful, best written etc.  I am thinking about
>books that go far beyond the usual list of a few hotels and touristy
>restaurants, and less widely known than, say, _Let's Go_ and the
>mass market guides.  I assume that everyone is aware of, say,
>the _Blue Guides_, the Michelin guides, the Lonely Planet and
>the like.

I was going to mention the Torok book on Budapest as one of my favorite
guidebooks.  Here are a couple of others that I feel are better than the
run of the mill, some of which are parts of well-known series:

The Rough Guide to Paris - this is a truly encyclopaedic compilation of
Paris attractions, including hotels and restaurants of just about every
price category, just about every museum in the city, three excellent walking
tours, and descriptions of the immigrant areas that most tourists never see.
Even if I lived in Paris, I think I'd want a copy of this book.  Incidentally,
these books are published in the US as The Rough Guides.

The Hachette Guide to France - What the Rough Guide is to Paris, the Hachette
Guide is to the entire country.  Just about every town is listed here.  Each
listing includes a map, retaurants and hotels, and a short description of
attractions and historical relevance.  It's the most complete guide I've seen
for France.  It's true that there's not a lot of depth, but the guidebook
can be used for planning, and can be carried on the trip to make quick
decisions in the field.

Walking in France, by Rob Hunter - This book contains descriptions of
hiking possibilities in all regions of France, ranging from long-distance
walks on GR trails, to short day hikes.  It's more of a sourcebook than
anything else, but is very helpful in deciding where to go in France when
your goal is to hike.

Footloose in the Swiss Alps, by William Reifsnyder (Sierra Club Totebook) -
Only slightly outdated volume that contains, in great detail, maps and
descriptions of about ten spectacular long-distance walks in the Swiss Alps.
It's also excellent armchair reading.

Cinque Terre und die Ligurische Kuste, by Christoph Hennig (Oase Verlag) -
This is my favorite guidebook to the Ligurian coast of Italy.  Lost of hiking 
suggestions, inexpensive hotels, and good restaurants, plus a number of
interesting essays on the local culture and history, and a few alluring
pictures.  It's written in German, and may not be easily available in the
US.  (I found my copy in Switzerland.)

Wayne

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Wayne Citrin   citrin@soglio.colorado.edu   citrin@cs.colorado.edu
From: ramsey@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (curtis ramsey)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Independent travel to Tibet
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:34:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Bw2GLp.J9v
Organization: Indiana University

Has anyone attempted independent travel to Tibet in the last year?
I would be interested in either a land or air approach from Kathmandu
or Chengdu. I have heard that it is technically open but individual
travellers have had difficulty with the local PSB. 

Thanks
From: kmludvic@eos.ncsu.edu (@color(DarkViolet)@b(@large(@i(The Admiral))))
Subject: Re: Good Crab Restaurants In and Around Baltimore
Originator: kmludvic@c00574-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: kmludvic@eos.ncsu.edu (@color(DarkViolet)@b(@large(@i(The Admiral))))
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:52:14 GMT


In article <26080@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, vanswari@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Judith Dillon) writes:
|>Path: taco!gatech!darwin.sura.net!dtix!oasys!vanswari
|>From: vanswari@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Judith Dillon)
|>Newsgroups: rec.travel
|>Subject: Re: Good Crab Restaurants In and Around Baltimore
|>Message-ID: <26080@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
|>Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 09:07:46 GMT+5:00
|>References: <1992Oct5.121429.19879@linus.mitre.org> <16878EFA1.STU@mwvm.mitre.org>
|>Reply-To: vanswari@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Judith Dillon)
|>Distribution: usa
|>Organization: Annapolis Detachment, Carderock Division, NSWC
|>Lines: 10
|>
|>In rec.travel, STU@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
|>>Well, it isn't exactly Baltimore, but Cantler's Riverside Inn near
|>>Annapolis is the best on that side of the Bay Bridge.  If you will be
|>>there next Friday, I'll buy you a beer.  /Stu Bell
|>
|>
|>SSSHHHH!!!  You aren't supposed to tell people about Jimmie's........
|>I'm going there today for lunch...
|>
|>Judy
|>
The thing is...will they be able to find it?
You're probably pretty safe, Judy....
I know lifelong Annapolitans sometimes get lost going there!

Karen
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: chenry@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (catherine.b.henry)
Subject: DISNEYWORLD
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:39:23 GMT

Greetings, All!

My family (35 year-old husband, 8 year-old daughter, and 5 year-old son) 
are planning on visiting Walt Disney World (FLA) next year, but don't know when.
As usual, I have a load of questions for which I only get consistent answers
from this newsgroup, so... (taking a big breath!):

(1) when is the best time of year to visit, crowd-wise and weather-wise?
I must take into consideration when our kids will be in school.
The brochures say "value season" starts the middle of August -- December.
Is WDW crowded the end of August (the week or two surrounding Labor Day)?

(2) is it better to stay inside or outside of the park? If inside, does 
anybody have any preferences for which hotel? Does being on the monorail
system make up for the added cost per night of the hotels on the rail line?
If inside, how far in advance should I make a reservation to get what I want?

(3) if YOU only had 7 days to do the works, is there anyplace you would
concentrate on? anyplace you would totally leave out? (e.g., are the studios
worth the visit?)

(4) what's the best way to manage breakfast, lunch, and dinner with my 
family? Stick to the hotels for breakfast and dinner due to crowds? (I am
just guessing, I have absolutely no idea -- which is why I am asking the
group!)

(5) is there any way to arrange a transfer from the airport to the WDW area
-- do they come as part of packages to WDW? I have not seen any yet.

(6) is there a cheaper way to get the Disney packages than the list prices
shown in the brochures (these don't seem to provide any savings at all --
they just provide convenience of paying for everything you need in advance)

===========================================================================

Thanks in advance!  If you would send the reply to homxc!chenry, I would
be most grateful, as I do not read this newsgroup often.  

Holler if you would like to see a summary of the replies I get -- I will be
happy to package them up and send them to you.

/Cath Henry
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: peter@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Peter Puschner)
Subject: ?Fairbanks in Dec. -- A chance to freeze to death?
Summary: Information wanted
Keywords: Fairbanks, December
Organization: Technical University Vienna, Dept. for Realtime Systems, AUSTRIA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 20:17:47 GMT

I'll be in the US in a couple of weeks and plan to make a 3-day trip to
Fairbanks, Alaska, in mid-December. I know that there'll be only a few hours
of daylight and I'm even more sure that it'll be incredibly cold there.
What I don't dare to figure out, but nevertheless would like to know: How
cold is incredibly cold? Can anybody tell me, what temperatures and weather
conditions I'll have to cope with?

Can anybody give me tips on what to do, what to see, and where to stay.

Many thanks,

Peter

Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
From: deaton@saturn.sdsu.edu (Ed Deaton)
Subject: Re: San Diego/TJ airports
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:40:08 GMT

Three hours and 10 minutes should be enough time to do it.

Public bus may be used from the airport to the trolly station, but
I would not risk the schedule unless a bus happened to be waiting.  It
should be about 20 minutes by bus to the trolly station.

I would take a "super shuttle" for about $5 to the trolly station, then trolly
(45 minutes) to the border.

Walk across and take a mexican cab to the tj airport.  That should take 
under 30 minutes and for about $10.00  ---establish the price firmly
before you take the cab.  The tj airport is a few miles east of the border 
entrance almost on the border.

You do imagration only at the airport.

A us cab could only go to the border, not across.  If you are late, very
late and rich take a cab to the Otai Mesa border crossing, walk across
and take a mexican cab a few hundred yard to the tj airport.

best wishes

ed deaton

Xref: sparky rec.travel:14151 soc.culture.celtic:6632
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: I want to repost my Scottish festivals guide, but...
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:30:56 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

I've posted about three iterations of a guide to festivals in Scotland;
not just the Edinburgh Festival but all sorts of others.  There have
been enough requests in rec.travel recently that an update seemed to be
in order.  So, I sat down to do it last night...

...and found I'd lost it.  It's in a box of floppies that might take months
to turn up.  There's too much in it for me to redo the thing from scratch.
So unless someone can find an archived copy of it, there won't be any more.
Our site does not archive news.

If you have a copy, please email it to me.


-- 
--  Jack Campin    room G092, Computing Science Department, Glasgow University,
17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work)
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From: 76702.1202@CompuServe.COM (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: *NEW* TRAVEL INFORMATION -- Bosnia
Date: 9 Oct 1992 12:51:07 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL INFORMATION - Bosnia-Hercegovina
============================================================
Bosnia-Hercegovina - Warning
 October 7, 1992

U.S. citizens are warned not to travel to Bosnia-Hercegovina for 
any reason, due to the ongoing civil war.  Additional  information 
can be found in the Department of State's Consular Information Sheet 
on Bosnia-Hercegovina.

 No. 92-001


Bosnia-Hercegovina - Consular Information Sheet 
 October 7, 1992

Warning:  The Department of State has a Travel Warning for 
Bosnia-Hercegovina.  U.S. citizens are warned not to travel to 
Bosnia-Hercegovina for any reason, due to the ongoing civil war.

U.S. Assistance:  The U.S. has not yet opened an Embassy in 
Sarajevo, the capital of Bosnia-Hercegovinia.  The United States 
Information Service (USIS) Center formerly located in Sarajevo is 
closed.  U.S. citizens who choose to visit or remain in 
Bosnia-Hercegovina despite the warning can register at the U.S. 
Embassy in either Belgrade or Zagreb and obtain updated information 
on travel and security.  U.S. Embassy assistance is limited, 
however, due to conflict in the area, lack of communications and 
reduced Embassy staffing.  The U.S. Embassy in Belgrade is located 
at Kneza Milosa 50;  telephone 645-655.  The U.S. Embassy in Zagreb 
is located at Andrije Hebranga 2, tel 444-800.

Entry Requirements:  At the present time, Bosnia-Hercegovina entry 
permission is granted at the border on a case-by-case basis.

Areas of Instability:  A state of war resulting in deaths, 
destruction, food shortages and travel disruptions affecting roads, 
airports and railways make travel to all parts of Bosnia-Hercegovina 
extremely hazardous.  Travel to Sarajevo, Mostar and the religious 
shrine at Medjugorje, is particularly dangerous.

Medical Facilities: Health facilities are minimal or non-existent; 
most medicines are unobtainable.  Further information on health 
matters can be obtained from the Centers for Disease Control's 
international Travelers hotline on (404) 332-4559.  

Crime Information: General lawlessness and deteriorating economic 
conditions have brought an increase in crime.  Adequate police 
response in the event of an emergency is doubtful.  Anti-American 
sentiments run high in many parts of the country, particularly in 
Serbian-dominated areas.

Currency Regulations:  It is impossible to use credit cards or to 
cash traveler's checks.

Other Information: Roadblocks manned by local militias are 
numerous.  These militia groups frequently confiscate relief goods 
and trucks, and may otherwise behave unprofessionally.

Registration: U.S. citizens visiting or remaining in 
Bosnia-Hercegovina, despite the Warning, can register at either the 
U.S. Embassy in Belgrade or in Zagreb and obtain updated information 
on travel and security within the area.

 No. 92-009

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: smd@fct.unl.pt (Sergio Marco Duarte)
Subject: Re: Indonesia
Organization: Universidade Nova de Lisboa -- Lisbon, Portugal
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 19:19:19 GMT


  rdm@des.uwm.edu (Bob Meyer) writes:

  
> Anyone have information on things to do in Indonesia, especially Bali, Java, 
> Borneo?  I'm looking for nontouristy things like climbing a mountain, going 
>   into the rainforest, working in a rice patty.  Anything that will give me a 
>   taste of the "real" Indonesia.  I will be there in January so any 
>   information on what's happening at that time of year would be appreciated.

>   Send replies to:  RDM@des.uwm.edu
>
>   Thanks.

  Actually. Yes I have a sugestion:

  Why not visit nearby EAST TIMOR, 
  I believe president Suharto has been putting there quite a show.
  Since Indonesia invaded E. Timor 17 years ago, around 200 000 people
  were murdered, so you are sure to meet plenty of action. 
  Oh, by the way I also happen to know that some these misfortunate
  were disposed of at the sea.  Please remember that when you enjoy 
  the beaches of Bali!
--
 Sergio Duarte  *** smd@fct.unl.pt *** FCT/UNL *** PORTUGAL
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: jagat@gda.cadence.com (Jagat Patel)
Subject: Ice/Rock Climbing Hard/Soft-ware For Sale
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:28:42 GMT


        Almost all you need to start ice climbing. Getting out
        of climbing. All prices are negotiable. Serious inq. only.


                                        Orig $      Sale $
                                        ------      ------
  
  2  Chouinard X-10 Ice Tools. 50cm     100 ea.      70 ea.
     Great all around tools (ask
     anyone who has used them.)
  4  Reverse curve picks for             25 ea.  (n) 25 ea.
     X-10 tools. 2 (u)sed, 2 (n)ew               (u) 15 ea.
  2  Alpine picks for X-10               25 ea.      15 ea.
          
     + Three sets of brand new           15         free w/ purchae of above.
       nuts and bolts for the picks      

  1  CAMP Hyper Couloir Ice Tool. 45cm  140         100
     (excellent penetration in any
      type of ice) -- a great 3rd.
      tool.
  1  Bannana pick for HC                 27          15
  1  Hammer head for HC                  25          15

  2  Wild Things Ice Axe Leashes         15 ea.      20 both.
     Anatomically designed. Very
     comfortable/adjustable.

  1  CASSIN hinged step-in light-        80          60  
     weight crampons. Used only once.
     Great for all-around hiking.

  1  Foot Fangs; wiht both large and    120          80
     small bails to fit any boots.

  1  North Face pile pants with         110          80
     re-enforced knees, side zips.
     Used only once. Very warm.
     A steal.
   
  1pr. La Sportiva Mega (Sz. 9.5 (US)   130          80
       43.5 (EURO)). Worn only few 
       times.
From: tpayne@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Tim Payne)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Australian bolts
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:47:19 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide

In article <1992Oct14.141546.3765@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au> u6404646@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au writes:
>Bolting in Australia
>
>On the subject of bolts, it seems to me that there is a lot of unecessary
>angst in the climbing community. Here in Oz, most bolts that are placed
>are just ordinary coach bolts driven in with the head and (hopefully only)
>4-5 mm of stock protruding. As a result, once the bolt tarnishes, and loses
>its shine, it becomes hard to see from any distance, sometimes even when
>you are specifically looking for it.

This tarnish stuff, often called rust, is even worse where you can't see it
due to the stress caused by driving it in. The result is a bolt with little
visibility but little or dubious value. Rebolting has recently been caried
out on the local crag and the ease with which old trusted bolts have come
out is quite frightening. I have nothing agaist bolts, but advocating the
use of coach bolts is obsolete and dangerous.

Tim Payne
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From: rayner@IMG.UMD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Thailand Info Wanted
Date: 8 Oct 1992 13:02:17 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

     Has anyone out there been climbing in Thailand?  We are
planning to climb in Thailand on a three-week vacation in
November.  We have the French guidebook (loosely translated into
English) available from Chessler at $29.95 and the articles in
the climbing magazines from the past couple of years.
     Do you have any recommendations for equipment?  The
guidebook suggests taking 2 - 60 meter ropes, 1 - 55 meter rope,
10 meters of 1" webbing, 10 meters of 9 mm cord for threading, 10
quick draws, backoff/rappell biners, a rack of nuts and
intermediate Friends.  Any comments on this list?  Is a
waterproof bag necessary?  
     Any recommendations on routes and areas?  We like 5.10s,
especially 5.10a but have been known to get up 5.11s if we like
their looks. (We often climb at the New River Gorge and the
Gunks). We are assuming that we can manage French 6a and 6b which
we could do in Verdon and Les Calanques.  Any big surprises? 
What about the razor sharp rock and snakes?  We plan to go to the
areas in the guidebook near Krabi at Phra-nang and Ko Phi Phi.
     Any comments on logistics?  Hotels, huts, restaurants, boat
rentals, itineraries, side trips, availability of snorkeling
equipment, special equipment, precautions?  Do you recommend an
excursion to Chiang Mai to trek in the hills?  Is it better to
fly or take the train?  What part of Bangkok do you recommend
staying in?  We're thinking of Kha San Road in Banglanpoo again
where I've stayed before on my way to the Himalaya.
----
Jeanette Helfrich and John Rayner    rayner@img.umd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: A social commentary about "climbers" vs. "People who climb (or play like it)"
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 21:02:58 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Oct9.160346.14969@csc.ti.com> czichon@psyche.csc.ti.com
(Cary Czichon) writes:
>Reads more like the Who's Who list of "Park Bums with Attitude Problems".
>Note Bachar's altercation at the Snowbird.  A list of truley phenomenal sport
>climbers would contain names like Lynn Hill and Jim Karn.  Of course, the
>best climbers in the world are all alpinists.

Oh, as a minimum I'd give Gill credit for not being an alpinist.
What altercation?  Are we going to start enumerating "best climbers?"
I guess Dale Bard, Henry Barber, and Del Johns would be listed as climbers
with attitude problems?

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			Imhof, Cartographic Relief Presentation
			Books on or by Benjamin Whorf
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: czichon@psyche.csc.ti.com (Cary Czichon)
Subject: Re: A social commentary about "climbers" vs. "People who climb (or play like it)"
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:50:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.171753.24497@nas.nasa.gov>
eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:

>I thought the initial post was a bit weak, but I especially like his use of
>"social commentary" (the author gets a thumbs up for that).  While I don't
>see Jeff Lowe as a Park Bum with an Attitude problem, I think I saw some
>of the gist he was getting into (generations of climbers have gotten into
>far more serious problems from Warren Harding (amusing reading about him in
>the new Bio on Royal Robbins) to Dale Bard to other friends who not only were
>thrown into jail but also got Section 8s from the military).

Let me explain my sarcastic reaction to initial posting.

I don't appreciate having the world analyzed for me, particularly near
the end of the week.  Categorizing climbers by subjective criteria is
a pointless exercise.  Frankly, I don't care who the "best" climbers are.
I climb because I enjoy it.

Cary Czichon
czichon@csc.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.climbing