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From: sam@sad.hp.com (Vicky Hansen)
Subject: Re: What can we expect from President Hill
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:42:44 GMT
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sbishop@desire.wright.edu (sbishop@desire.wright.edu) wrote:
: How about an honest answer from all the divorced people out there, male
: and female.  How many of you asked (or were asked) to go to counciling
: with your former mate?  How many went?

My ex made the appointment, we went, he told the counselor that the problem
was mine and left.  The counselor and I were not successful in saving the 
marriage.
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From: mikep@g2syd.genasys.com.au (Michael Preedy)
Subject: Re: Lancey
Organization: Genasys II, Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:32:13 GMT

In article <1ii0q0INN3sa@network.ucsd.edu> spl@pitstop.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) writes:
>
>OBsearch:  If anyone knows a woman lawyer who may be practicing in the
>Novato (Marin County, CA) area with the maiden name of Phyllis Irene
>Gatter, please ask her to get in touch.  She was a very good friend at
>one time and I'm curious to know how she's doing.  Don't know of she's
>still practicing or what her married name might be.
>
Did she have a brother named Wally and exactly how much of a "good friend"
were you?

-Phyllis's husband
From: starbuck@galaxy.ucr.edu (starbuck)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Revenge of The Women In Combat thing....
Date: 10 Jan 93 21:34:29 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <C0GBJo.110@panix.com> erover@panix.com (Elizabeth Rover) writes:

-A recent study (ie: within the past year) of the Donner Party's failed
-attempt to get from the east coast of the U.S. out to the west coast showed
-that women tend to be better survivors than men. Discover Magazine wrote
-this whole thing up, and I don't remember which issue it was, or the facts
-of the expidition, but what it came down to was that they encountered a
-horrible winter, and the men generally died before the women. Somehow,
-someone, somewhere, disproved the old theory, that the men were chivalrous
-and let the women eat the food, and took better care of the women than of
-the men. The truth of the matter, in this case at least, is that, even
-without training, the women had better endurance than the men. 

Read "Ordeal By Hunger", I forgot who wrote it but it was published
in about 1975.  The truth of the matter was they ate the men.  Those who
survived in the Donnar Party did so because they were reduced to breaking
our worst taboo.  Before that they ate the dogs, hourses and other animals.
Then went on to eat belt leather and other products from animals.  It is
a hell of a story.  It is true that the more women survived then men.
It was stated in "Ordeal By Hunger" that the women seemed to be able to
better survive than the men.  It was also suggested that one of the
reasons was that the women had more body fat.  Who knows? 

That old theory you speak of was made up after the fact.  There are 
writings by those who lived that showed they all worked together to
survive.  Those who were dying knew they would be food for the others.
This fact was kept from the children I think.  
 
starbuck 
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: kendall@adobe.com (Janice Kendall)
Subject: Re: The Susan B. Anthony Dollar (Was: Re: What does "Male-dominated society" mean?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:42:13 GMT

In article <C0oJsA.70L@cs.mcgill.ca> chuckies@cs.mcgill.ca (Charles J Savoie) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.012237.13229@adobe.com> kendall@adobe.com (Janice Kendall) writes:
>>
>>I've always wondered...
>>
>>Did they make the silver dollar the size of a quarter to save money - and
>>then found it only fit for a woman's likeness?
>
>/semi-flame on
>

 Ooooh.  Semi-touchy!


>Is your mind really so poisoned that it can find any kind of logic or worth
>in this statement?  Dimes, nickels and pennies are all smaller than
>quarters and have men's faces on them...  Does it mean anything?  No.

 Dimes, nickels and pennies are all dimes, nickels and pennies.  It's
 not the same circumstance.


>
>>
>>  - Or -
>>
>>Did they decide to put a woman's likeness on a silver dollar and then size 
>>it to reflect the equal status of women (i.e., not equal)?
>
>Neither?  Ever thought of that possibility?

 Yes, but then why bother to post something boring?  Do we ALWAYS have
 to put a little smiley into a post to lighten it up - or should I pull
 up the old "bitter" thread and assume that you assume that anytime a
 woman brings up an equality issue, she is "bitter".

 This is not something I lose sleep over, but everytime I (rarely) see a 
 Susan B., and hear people complain about using them because they get 
 confused with quarters, I've wondered why the 1 coin that has a woman's 
 likeness on it can be confused with another coin worth 25% of it's value?


>
>> Janice Kendall    kendall@adobe.com    ...!{decwrl|sun}!adobe!kendall
>
>Charles
>
>-- 
>
>,.. .  . .  . ,.. . . ... ,.. ,..   =====================================
>|   |--| |  | |   |<   |  |-  `-.   Charles Savoie  chuckies@cs.mcgill.ca
>`'' '  ' `''' `'' ' ` ''' `'' '''   =====================================
From: rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert  Johnston)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Living in a State of Siege
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:09:45 GMT
Reply-To: rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert  Johnston)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <24660@galaxy.ucr.edu> starbuck@galaxy.ucr.edu (starbuck) writes:
>In article <1i9ks0INNg5e@transfer.stratus.com> lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
>>Vicky Hansen writes
>>>Rich Payne (payner@netcom.com) wrote:
>>>: Perhaps if women took responsibility for raising
>>>: their children as non-violent there would be less.
>>>I doubt if the majority of mass murderer's mothers deliberately raised their
>>>children to be violent.  I also question the fact that fathers seem to be
>>>out of this picture (especially since I suspect you are male).
>>
>>Excellent comments.  Let's continue to blame the women, despite
>>the fact the vast majority of violence in all societies on this
>>planet is committed by men.  What a helpful thing to be doing!
>>
>>We need to raise our daughters to be stronger, and our sons to
>>be more concerned about other people.
>
>I clipped the following from soc.feminism.  You might find it of
>interest.
>
>starbuck
>
>>From a TV News Documentry :
>
>8.  Boys from female headed households with an absence of adequate
>    male rolemodels tend to do poorly in school, ie not paying attention
>    and willfully bucking the teacher's ( female ) authority.
>
>9.  Such boys improved in academic as well as behavioural discipline
>    when exposed to male teachers or other male rolemodels throughout
>    the school day.
>
>>From a Washington Post Aritical on Teen Violence:
>
>10.  Most teen violence is perpetuated by male teenagers.  It is
>     worse for male teenagers from female headed households and
>     far worse in female headed households with a prolonged absence
>     of male rolemodels.
>
>11.  In such households it is more likely for a child to attack
>     a parent ( female ) when a parent tries to "reestablish"
>     parental authority after the violent behaviour starts.
>

A good example of how statistics can lie. I would say that the major 
indicator here is poverty, not the absence of male role models.

Do you have studies citing:

1) non-poor female led households
2) poor, single parent, male led households
3) households led by two or more women, be they lesbian or otherwise

Siting statistics without controls is poor technique at best, lying
and bigotry at its worst.

Robert Johnston
From: rspence@mpd.tandem.com (Russell Spence)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: The Susan B. Anthony Dollar (Was: Re: What does "Male-dominated society" mean?
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:43:14 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1993Jan11.012237.13229@adobe.com> kendall@adobe.com (Janice Kendall) writes:
>>            Even money has no pictures of women on it (except for the Susan
>>B. Anthony, which went the way of all flesh).

	As a coin collector, perhaps I can shed some light on this.  U.S.
	coinage used to feature women alot.  Not necessarily specific,
	historical women, but women servering as representations of various
	ideals, i.e. victory or liberty.  In fact, the original silver dollar,
	the largest coin the U.S. has minted, featured a woman's head on the
	obverse.  In the 30's the Washington quarter appeared.  In 1946,
	the Mercury dime was replaced by the modern Roosevelt dime.  His
	head was added in commemoration of his death and his achievements as
	president during WWII.  Benjamin Franklin's head was put on the
	half dollar in 1949, which was in turn replaced by John F. Kennedy
	in 1964, after he was assassinated.  So, the current fad of
	presidential coinage is relatively new.

	Now the Susan B. Anthony dollar is a story in itself.  The U.S. needed
	(and needs) a dollar coin.  But, it did not want another huge dollar
	coin, such as the ill-fated Eisenhower dollar of the early 1970's.
	And it wanted to put a woman on the coin.  But, since the coin was
	small it needed to be distinguishable from the other coins.  Originally
	the Susan B. Anthony dollar was to be 10 sided, but the vending
	machine lobby convinced the mint that a 10 sided coin would cost them
	too much money, because they would have to retrofit all their machines.
	The mint backed down and made the coin round, which caused confusion
	between it and the quarter.  Plus the fact that dollar bills remained
	in circulation and were thought to more convenient.  So, the new
	dollar flopped.  (In the same time period, the new $2 bill also
	flopped).

	But, the idea for a dollar coin is not dead.  The mint and congress
	are currently considering designing and introducing a new small dollar
	coin and totally eliminating the dollar bill.  In addition, the law
	says that a coin design cannot be changed until it is 25 years old.
	Currently, all of our coinage designs are over 25 years old, so I would	
	look for a complete redesign of our coinage in the next 1 to 5 years.
	This would be the time to lobby for more women on our coinage.

-- 
Russell Spence                                               Austin, Texas

"Foot-impelled bi-directional verticle transport asset"
				- staircase, as defined by the U.S. Army
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From: cloister@stein.u.washington.edu (cloister bell)
Newsgroups: soc.women,sci.skeptic,alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: FMS  (was Re: "Satanic Ritual Abuse" in the media)
Date: 9 Jan 93 23:06:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1inlqdINNs20
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) writes:

>In article <C0Iors.Mp8@cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>>
>>The lead story on ABC's "Primetime Live" was also on ritual abuse. It
>>was much more skeptical. It pointed out that some psychotherapists
>>were getting rich finding ritual abuse almost everywhere they look.
>>The show also talked to four women who said their psychotherapists had
>>exploited them by feeding them fantasies (while ignoring their
>>truthful accounts of "ordinary" abuse.) Primetime Live also said that
>>an FBI study (dated January 1992?) concluded that there was no
>>evidence of even one ritual-abuse related murder. (Some of the
>>psychotherapists claim that tens or even hundreds of thousands of
>>ritual murders are involved.)

>The front page of the latest New York Times Book Review also has an
>article "Beware the Incest Survivor Machine", which casts doubts on the
>subject and brings up a lot of the "false memory" talk.

this seems like as good a place as any to mention that i managed to dig up an
e-mail address for our friend Dr. Elizabeth Loftus.  she can be reached at
eloftus@u.washington.edu.  i've been meaning to send her some mail asking her
about some of her theories, but i haven't had the time lately.  if someone
wants to, go right ahead.  i would ask though just try and be polite about it;
the last thing we need is asar'ians coming across as rabid screaming fanatics.
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.women,alt.feminism
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Crossposting Cult Discussions To ASAR
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:54:00 GMT

	I would like to reinforce the plea that posts about Satanic Abuse
	*NOT* be cross posted to alt.sex.abuse.recovery.

	Unlike the satanic cult issue child abuse/molestation has been
	very proven in external reality beyond patients memories, many
	of which the patients had no recall of when they began therapy.

	The recall of these "forgotten" traumas is a very harsh process
	for patients.  It is like experiencing the abuse all over again.
	This process is riddled with self-doubt and self trust is a crucial
	element in the person's recovery.

	The usual "barber shop bull sessions" that go on in alt.fem soc.women
	would be quite upsetting and HURTFULL to many going through recover
	in asar.

	If you have to flame, do it here.  The people who use asar use
	it to reveal things about themselves in a safe enviroment.  They
	arent there for hacking ideas apart.  Being a "Sceptic" ( syn for-
	first class schmuck) there isnt proving anything to anyone other
	then the level of the callousness of the poster.  Have some 
	compassion.  Please.

Steve R
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From: graeme@fulcrum.co.uk (Graeme Hodgson)
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.penpals,soc.net-people,soc.couples,soc.singles,eunet.jokes
Subject: Re: Lancey
Summary: Better nip this thread in the bud...
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:19:26 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <1993Jan8.182257.26238@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>BTW what do you call a girl who is always at an angle to the
>perpendicular?
>Ans: Ilene.
>What do you call a Chinese girl with the same posture?
>Ans: Irene.

What do you call a Chinese girl with no legs?
Ans: Lotus.

--
Hodj
Email to graeme@fulcrum.co.uk     |        <witty quote pending>
 - whenever the mood takes you.   |
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.penpals,soc.net-people,soc.couples,soc.singles
From: alyon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (arthur alexander lyon)
Subject: Re: Lancey
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:12:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.182257.26238@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.042550.1818@g2syd.genasys.com.au> mikep@g2syd.genasys.com.au (Michael Preedy) writes:
>>In article <C0GCxH.8vq@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> alyon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (arthur alexander lyon) writes:
>>>I am looking for a woman. Her name is Lancey (my spelling may be
>>>incorrect). That is all I know. This may seem odd, but I am very
>>>serious.
>>I once knew a women named Lancey but she spelt her name with an "N".
>
>Was she Chinese then?
>BTW what do you call a girl who is always at an angle to the
>perpendicular?
>Ans: Ilene.
>What do you call a Chinese girl with the same posture?
>Ans: Irene.
>
>--
>  ________  Lionel Tun, lionel@cs.city.ac.uk  ________
> / /_  __/\       Computer Vision Group      /\ \__  _\
>/___/_/_/\/ City University, London EC1V 0HB \ \___\_\_\
>\___\_\_\/        071-477 8000 ext 3889       \/___/_/_/

is that funny?
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: rjf@lincroftnj.ncr.com (51351[efw]-Robert Feddeler(MT4799)T343)
Subject: Re: PMS
Organization: AT&T/NCR, Lincroft, NJ, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:16:20 GMT


Based on the following comments, I have to assume that
PMS refers to Pre-Marital Sex.  Right?


>In article <lkhtnoINN1fl@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> falk@peregrine.Sun.COM (Ed Falk) writes:
>
>>For the record, I have never accused a woman of having PMS when she
>>was angry at me.  (Although I have had women use PMS as an excuse for
>>shouting -- this is almost as bad IMHO.)
>
>jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes:
>
>Since then I've learned to monitor my actions and responses when I have
>PMS 
>
>I call this self-control, and it's what I expect from myself and, to
>a lesser degree, from other people. If someone's had a bad morning at
>home, they're likely to be grouchy when they first get to the office.
>For that someone to then take it out on a coworker is unprofessional.


bob.				| Heap big trouble in the land of plenty.
Were these more than just my opinions, they would have cost a bit more.
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: PMS
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:13:28 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.women
From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)
Subject: PMS (Was: Re: What can we expect from President Hillary Clinton?


In article <lkhtnoINN1fl@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> falk@peregrine.Sun.COM (Ed Falk) writes:

>For the record, I have never accused a woman of having PMS when she
>was angry at me.  (Although I have had women use PMS as an excuse for
>shouting -- this is almost as bad IMHO.)

jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes:

"Excuse" or "reason"?  I interpret "excuse" to mean "made-up reason 
which will [hopefully] get me off the hook" and "reason" to mean "cause
of a particular action, or basis for a decision" [roughly].


Since then I've learned to monitor my actions and responses when I have
PMS 

I call this self-control, and it's what I expect from myself and, to
a lesser degree, from other people. If someone's had a bad morning at
home, they're likely to be grouchy when they first get to the office.
For that someone to then take it out on a coworker is unprofessional.

sfjr@wam.umd.edu ( Steve Russell ) writes:

	I think the majority of women handle themselves in a mature and
professional manner, so for me this is a non-issue.  BTW I've had similar
experience to the ones Ed Falk mentions.  I've found these "women" to
have problems with maturity and they definately are in the minority.

Steve R
From: lairdpg@lub001.lamar.edu
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Looking for Female to e-mail with
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:22:16 +1700
Organization: Lamar University - Beaumont

White Male seeking e-mail contact/penpal with whit female age 25-35 for
e-mail fun and sharing.  I'm not looking for a filthy mouthed babe, nor
do I particularly care for e-mail fantasy.  Just wish to find someone nice
to write to who is christian minded and not into bars/drugs.  I'm a
professional in the Computer field.  I am looking for someone who is not
*Domineering
*Pushy
*Prone to correcting my english (a big no-no)

All other problems can probably be worked out.  If you would be interested
in corresponding with me, please send me e-mail at--------->
 
lairdpg@lub001.lamar.edu

Please, don't post about this here on the net as I don't usually read the
newsgroup.  Do it e-mail.  Thanks.  Bye.   Hope to hear from someone.

- Phillip -
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From: spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.penpals,soc.net-people,soc.couples,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Lancey
Followup-To: alt.dev.null
Date: 8 Jan 1993 14:21:35 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu

In article <1993Jan8.042550.1818@g2syd.genasys.com.au> mikep@g2syd.genasys.com.au (Michael Preedy) writes:
>In article <C0GCxH.8vq@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> alyon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (arthur alexander lyon) writes:
>>I am looking for a woman. Her name is Lancey (my spelling may be
>>incorrect). That is all I know. This may seem odd, but I am very
>>serious.
>I once knew a women named Lancey but she spelt her name with an "N".

You must mean Betty Jo Bialowski.

OBquest:  has anyone seen the Firesign Theatre, lately?

							spl
-- 
Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu
UCSD Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UCSD Med School/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
"Personally, I don't care whether someone is cool enough to quote Doug
Gwyn--I only care whether Doug Gwyn is cool enough to quote." - Larry Wall
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Feminism As A Religion
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:36:53 GMT

From: bouche2@server.uwindsor.ca (BOUCHER DAVID            )
Subject: Feminism is a RELIGION! (eureka!)


bouche2@server.uwindsor.ca (David Boucher) writes:


It seems obvious that there are many differences between the sexes in ways of
thinking and behavior.  The only question is to what extent those differences
are learned, and to what extent are they "inherent".  The "feminist" position,
as you have outlined it, is that whatever observable differences there may be
are 100% learned behaviors, with zero percent "inherency".

	Hate to be a maven , but the essentialists think most of the
	differences are biological, ie biology explaining why women
	are morally superior to men.


Now, if a particular difference persists in a myriad of diverse cultures over
a very long period of time (say, 6,000 years), that is pretty good evidence
that the difference is inherent to SOME extent.
  
	I *tend* to agree.

"Feminism" is not a set of logical postulates that can be debated, analyzed,
and resolved.  It's a religion, pure and simple.   
 
	There is no std definition for feminism so I cant agree with you.
	As far as biological differces go, so what if men and women have
	a biological base for their behaviour?  These differnces dont
	seem to make one sex the lesser of the other.  Dragging the
	the diverse cultures back in it could be said to be apparent
	that both sexes can do much more, do it well, and do it happily
	then they are usually given credit for by the sex stereotypes.

	Most mainstream orientated feminists would be happy if this
	"fact" was accepted and lived out alone.  If you want to call
	the ideological bs some engage in a religion go ahead.  There
	are fools like that on both sides of every issue.  Some on
	the net *chuckle*

STeve R


   

 


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