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From: aaronm@ccmail.orst.edu (Mithran Aaron)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Borg : Maybe some insight....
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:56:27 GMT
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In article <BzDJIw.2x9@news.ucs.mun.ca> ereddy@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Ed Reddy) writes:
>From: ereddy@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Ed Reddy)
>Subject: Re: The Borg
>Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:52:06 GMT
>In article <aaronm.20.0@ccmail.orst.edu> aaronm@ccmail.orst.edu (Mithran Aaron) writes:
>>Does anyone out there like the Borg?
>>
>>I personally find them to be a very interesting idea for a society.
>>
>>I also like them.
>
>Ever since "I,Borg" was aired, I have been waiting to hear of the after
>math from that episode...
> 
>Any insight?
>

I thought that that episode was interesting. I have a few problems with it 
though. If 3 of 5 or Hugh or Hew or Hue recognized Picard so readily, then 
why do the Borg ignore Earth? If Picard was recognized then surely the Borg 
would know where Earth was.

Also, why is it that the Federation never calls upon beings that they have 
worked with in the past to come and help them out of sticky situations? When 
the Borg attacked if I were in the situation I think that I could find 
several beings to enlist. 

The federation should have taught the Borg about the Romulans and the 
Ferengi. Though I try not to be prejudiced towards anyone, I can not stand 
these 'people' even though they make for an interesting story once and a 
while.

Back to the Borg.....

I think that it would be intersting if the Borg came back but this time on a 
mission of peace. I think that it would be safe to believe that Picard's use 
of Hue (I prefer this spelling even if it is wrong) as a plant had some 
effect. Maybe that is why the Borg ignored the ship. You can not convince me 
that they did not know where the E. was when the picked up Hue. You can not 
convince me that they did not know that there was someone else at the 
crashsight either. Hue looked right at Geordi (spelled correctly?). If all 
Borg know what every other Borg knows then.....
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From: helene@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Helene Blankespoor)
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:23:27 GMT

In article <92351.200547IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Nicholas C. Hester <IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>In article <gp2001-151292181733@m248-106.bgsu.edu>, gp2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Greg
>Pallenik) says:
>>
>>This newsgroup is becomminh cluttered with discussion of Deep Space Nine.
>>I'm not complaining, but IMHO I think a separate group will be needed to
>>keep things organized.  Does anyone else agree or disagree?

I agree, the main reason is that I don't know when DNS will come to the UK
and I would like to keep a few surprises there. The traffic in this newsgroup
at the moment is very busy, I hardly have the time to read it all.

Helene.
From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Fistful of Datas Locale
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:30:07 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

The western scenes in "Fistful of Data" were shot on the standing western
set on the backlot at Warners.

Last time I was by Warners I had time to kill and spent about a half hour
just pacing every foot of that standing set.  It's really sharp.

PAD
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From: ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Re: (insert a "minority" here) CO for the Enterprise!
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:37:55 GMT

		Oh dear, oh dear. I'm very glad I happen to be going on
vacation soon... hopefully the flaming about how and why and if the captain of
a starship should be anything but male, white and straight will die off in a
terrific all-consuming fireball and not be mentioned again by the time I
return.
		As I've stated before and will act on as soon as I finish
putting thoughts to paper and sending off, if you don't like anything about the
show, the ultimate solution is to submit a script. If nothing else, attempting
to write a believable, well-paced script ( which incorporates most or all of the
things which we've all said at one time or another that we could do better or
would remember) inspires a bit of credit for the people whose job it is to
crank out 26 or so cohesive scripts a year. Plus it's a terrific feeling to
write in all the little details that we've been catching for up to 5 1/2 years
now ("but what about the..." "but in X they said you couldn't..." "whatever
happened to the..." "I can't believe Y would say...").
		Happy Holidays, all, and if you say prayers, say one for me,
since my script "Identities" goes off to Paramount as soon as I can get the
release form (which should be right around Christmas, the slowest mailing time
of the year... *sigh*)


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From: plutnj@aix.rpi.edu (James Matthew Plutnicki)
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:37:28 GMT

>
>Well.....
>How about the fact that Troi is a non-military crew member, whereas everone
>else comes from the academy, and a military. Military people wear uniforms,
>non -military don't have to.
>
However, she is an OFFICER and has been refered to in many instances as such
(see Disaster for proof).  Therefore, she is as military as the next OFFICER 
and should have to wear a uniform.  If she is a civilian then she should NOT
have free access to the bridge.  Other civilians don't.  She should be in 
uniform while she is on duty.  

I am as human as the next male and I too ejoy seeing her in the skin tight
outfits (and I do not believe it is sexist to enjoy that).  However, is
is somewhat degrading to see that the only reason she is allowed to wear that
outfir is show off some cleavage.  There is no GOOD reason for her to be out
of uniform while on the bridge or on duty.  During counseling sessions
with patients, a more relaxed uniform may be appropriate but no on the bridge
or during diplomatic functions.




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From: herd@lut.fi (Markku Herd)
Subject: Re: Klingon origins
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:19:15 GMT
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland

  There has been a LOT of talk of the origin of the Klingons. So what if
ALL the opinions are true! Here's an idea (Flame shields on, Mr Sulu!):
  Maybe, just maybe, the mystical Preservers spread the Klingons a couple
of thousands of years ago, so that they don't have one, but, say, five
homeworlds, named Kronos, Klingon, Kling, Klinzhai and Klin. No one really
knows which one is the TRUE origin of Klingons, although of course every
one Klingon says his/hers is it. And maybe, just maybe, as an experiment,
the Preservers implanted some Humans on one of these planets, thus creating 
the TOS Klingons.
  Just an idea, don't flame me.

- Markku Herd ( herd@lut.fi )
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From: s14442nb@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Best moment of the season (HEY! No argument!)
Reply-To: s14442nb@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:52:08 GMT


The best moment of the season occured in the episode in which Picard et all
are changed into kids.  The moment was when the newly aged Picard stepped
off the transporter pad and subtly felt for hair.  It was BRILLIANT.  They
could have overdone it, but ol' Pat pulled it off wonderfully.  Bravo.
No dissention allowed on this one.
	-Nate "Computer Facist With Good Taste" Byrnes
From: jfrench@cs.utexas.edu (Jason French)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Chain of Command, Part I
Date: 19 Dec 1992 23:15:24 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: world
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SPOILERS for "Chain of Command, Part I" entering sector at Warp 2.



I was indiferent to this episode.  It seemed like nothing really happened.  The
ending seemed familiar.  Can anyone say "Best of Both Worlds"?  I did
like seperate parts, but as an episode without the second part it just doesn't
work.  Like I said, nothing really happened, kind of like "Redemption".  I
thought that episode was kind of slow.  Hopefully "Chain of Command, Part II"
will make up for this one.  It looks great and I can't wait.  As a person who's
favorate character is Picard next week should be great.  I liked the new
Captain.  I enjoyed how he didn't take crap from Riker and putting Troi in a
proper uniform was great.  I would grade this episode a 'C' which just adds to
how much the sixth season has been a disapointment.  The best episodes being
"The Quality of Life" and "Relics" and that's not saying much.

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From: zakons@halcyon.com (Scott Allan Zakon)
Subject: Riker's actions in Rascals
Summary: possible continuity error
Keywords: spoiler (minor), why
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:04:19 GMT

Since there may be a few who missed Rascals the first time through, I'll
slap up ye olde big pile o' blank lines:































Thirty-two of  them should be enough, and I did put spoiler in the key
words, so here goes.

I got to thinking about Riker's dive under the chair to order the bridge
command functions to be disabled by the computer.  At first it made
perfect sense, Riker's responsibility is the ship's safety first, then
beat up the bad guys.  Then I remembered the episode in which the crew
rescued the kid from the ship that got compressed by shield resonance
(the one where the kid acted like Data).
In that episode, either Geordi or Data commented that the controls are
able to recognise who was pressing the buttons.  The kid couldn't have
been responsible because the computer wouldn't have accepted a command
punched in by him.  So why would the Enterprise's computers recognise a
command from a Ferengi?  I'd have thought that someone, somewhere would
have just put a list in the computer of races from whom to accept no
commands (with the possible exception of food from the replicators).
So why did Riker take the dive?
Inquiring mind wants to know.
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From: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Subject: Re: 'Batman" meets 'Trek'
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:51:21 GMT

In article <T5FwVB1w165w@infopls.chi.il.us>, abhalla@infopls.chi.il.us (Arun Bhalla) writes:
|> > |> to my surprise.. one of the characters knew the Klingon proverb that
|> > |> Revenge is a dish best served cold.
|> > |> 
|> > |> Or was that some other proverb? heh.
|> > 
|> > I don't know who originally said this (probably one of 
|> > Shakespeare's characters - they've said everything else :-) -
|> > but in ST, wasn't Kahn (sp) the one who said this, not a Klingon?
|> > Or did he quote the Klingon proverb?
|> > 
|> > Brenda J. Molina                                     kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
|> > "What must I do to convince you people?"		 "Die."
|> 
|> Khan is a Klingon...an early type, but still Klingon.

Sorry, but Kahn and his "people" were products of Earth genetic
engineering.  They had gained power on Earth for a time by conquering
and oppressing those who did not follow their rule.  They were
eventually somehow removed from power and sentenced to a prison ship,
the Botany Bay (sp?) and sent somewhere into outer space.  Kirk & crew
found the ship and revived Kahn and the others.  Kahn then proceded to
take over the Enterprise, Kirk fights & gets the ship back & then
"maroons" Kahn & co on Alpha Cete V.  When the movie came out (ST2?),
Alpha Cete IV blew up and threw Alpha Cete V into a different orbit
which caused the planet to turn into a "really lousy place to live"
which is why Kahn was "really pissed" at Kirk.

So, Kahn did say "Revenge is a dish that is best served cold" followed
by "and in space... it's very very cold" or something to that effect.

Ron

|> 
|> Arun Bhalla
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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:02:08 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

[arguements about non-white-males in positions of authority in TNG deleted]

As with any show, they don't want to take too many risks at once.  When they
first put TNG on the air, they weren't sure it would take off, much less
speed out of the system at warp 9, so they didn't take any major risks like
that (I'm not saying that I think they shouldn't show non-whites in positions
of authority, or that its right the perception exists, put the flame throwers
away).  Now, with Deep Space Nine, they obviously feel they have enough of a
following to show the truth.. that there will be non-white and non-males and
non-HUMANs in positions of authority.  Commander Sisko is a black human male.
The only other humans in the revolving cast are O'Brien (my guess is for some
continuity) and the Doctor.  The other main characters are a Ferengi male,
a Bajoran woman (second in command, even), and a Trill female (if you can
place a sexual orientation on a Trill).  I, for one, have grown tired of
seeing mostly humans and men in positions of power, and I hope that DS9 will
be a nice change.  (Oh, I forgot the other main character.. but is he male?
he looks white... but he doesn't even know what he is...)



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From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Where are they now? (was Re: 7th season ?)
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:36:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec15.173635.18536
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <14DEC92.21360592.0058@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000) writes:
>>
>>Uh, I don't know if they all would have gone on to ship commands.
>>
>>Sulu would certainly go on.  Chekov was clearly in line for command
>>of the Reliant.
>>
>>Realistically, I wonder where someone like Uhura or Montgomery Scott
>>would be working.  Would all the crew be Statfleet "Lifers"?  I think
>>even one or two of our favorites might gladly take the equivalent
>>of a pension retirement at 40.... or whatever age Starfleet starts
>>offering pensions.
>
>Uhura mentioned in Star Trek VI that the mission to Klingon space was
>taking her away from her teaching position at Star Fleet Academy.  As
>for Scotty ... hmm ... wasn't he on TNG? :)
>>
>>Some might be promoted to Starfleet Admiralty positions.  Perhaps
>>Scott would be some kind of Hyman Rickover.
>>
>>McCoy might run some Starfleet office of alien medicine.
>
>Would this be part of Starfleet Medical?  Seriously, if you watch
>TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint", you'll see someone who looks a lot like
>.. oh, hell, Paramount *said* that "the Admiral" was McCoy

Yes.  Also, I am wondering if McCoy didn't die early in the 
second season, and that is the reason Beverly Crusher became head
From: cosc1871@elroy.uh.edu (92F06787)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Let's get one thing clear.  (Spoilers??)
Date: 19 Dec 1992 16:22 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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In article <1gvjmoINNsl4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley) writes...
> 
>Yes-- "everybody died" on the wartime Enterprise with Picard in
>command (in "Yesterday's Enterprise") because Picard determined
>that the best interests of the Federation demanded that he
>shepherd the Enterprise-C through the rift even at the sacrifice
>of his ship and crew (and himself).  It was clearly established
>that if his ship's safety had been his only priority he could
>have escaped.  One requirement for a wartime leader is to be
>willing to sacrifice one's own command, if absolutely necessary,
>in order to achieve victory or survival for one's side.  "Yester-
>day's Enterprise" does show that Picard can be an effective
>wartime commander if he has to be.
> 


Picard was a wartime leader in .Yesterday's Enterprise. because the Feds
had been at war for at least two+ decades (if I remember correctly).  He
had developed into the military commander that he was because of repeated
military encounters due to the protracted war.  But, in the time-line we
happen to watch on tv for the most part, Picard is not a wartime leader and
probably won't be anywhere as close to the effectiveness of a competent
military commander that the .Yesterday's Enterprise. Picard was because the
oppurtunity to fight presents itself rarely in the current peace-time
Federation.  He is primarily a diplomat, not a soldier.

Happy holly-daze :)
From: det@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: I, BORG ... or am I????
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:47:38 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <1992Dec12.001029.27295@netcom.com> linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley) writes:
>Just as speculation, maybe the Borg home world was in the Dyson's sphere in
>"Relics". It's not out of their technological grasp.

I think you're vastly underestimating the engineering required to construct
a rigid Dyson shell.  I don't believe the Borg are remotely capable of
that kind of accomplishment.

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From: coop7z52@bnr.ca (Rahim Pira)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Cardassians first appearance on STTNG? (possible *SPOILERS*!!)
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:51:43 GMT
Reply-To: coop7z52@bnr.ca (Rahim Pira)
Distribution: na
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

Warning !!!! Possible spoilers ahead !



























  I believe the first appearance of the Cardassians was in the episode where Picard must go after a Starfleet captain (O'Brien was once his security chief) who is destroying Cardassian ships, thinking that they are rearming, inspite of a treaty with the Feds. Sorry I can't remember the name of the episode !

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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:55:00 GMT

hodge3726@iscsvax.uni.edu writes
> Inferior earthlings of the late 20th century still watch the show and 
> it wouldn't work.  The show would further stall out of its already 
> death spiral and crash.

If the show is truly in a "death spiral", then what the show is doing  
is wrong.  Since part of their formula of having non-white-males in  
positions of seldom-seen power helped put them in what you call a  
"death spiral", it makes sense to try something else.  Something like  
putting women in charge, e.g., as a rational, logical and  
thought-provoking captain of an often-seen ship.  You think that if  
more women or non-white-males were in positions of active authority,  
the show would lose viewers?  I don't think so.  If the show went into  
a "death spiral" by putting Troi in command the ship (where she showed  
that she learned nothing at the academy) that would show that people  
want to see a more diverse and educated set of leaders.

If the show were to add more non-white-males in positions of active  
authority, why would the show fail?  If this show is really visionary,  
they'd put more non-white-males in positions of power.  Sure, there is  
the occasional female or non-white admiral, but those characters are  
rarely seen (in fact, the admirals seen the most on ST:TNG are two  
white man--Spock and Sarek).  When non-white-male actors in roles of  
active authority are seen, it's for saying 3-second lines that play  
little role in the split-second decision making that accounts for the  
last 15 minutes of each show.

Saying that "the perceptions aren't there" might be true for you, but  
I'd much rather see a show that reflects how life should be (just as  
the show reflects this in other areas: absence of poverty, absence of  
money, abundance of good medical care, people acting toward and  
concentrating on a goal of learning about themselves and the universe  
instead of just trying to make their businesses succeed).
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