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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Position Ratings
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:54:43 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Sep11.172246.173@uwm.edu>, paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes...

>In article <1992Sep11.010224.5431@ncsu.edu> bsricker@eos.ncsu.edu (BRIAN SCOTT RICKER) writes:
>>
>>Hi Guys,
>>
>>To Start a little controversy, I've decided to list my Top 5 at each
>>skill position. You should note that I grew up in south Florida and lived
>>in Houston for 5 years. 
>>
>>Running Back:
>>    (1) Thomas - There is NO better all around back in the game.
>>    (2) Sanders - There is NO better pure running back in the game.
>>    (3) Emmit - Anyone with 4 consecutive 100 yard games against the skins
>>                has to be included 
>>    (4) N. Anderson - If things are settled with Ditka, Neal will return
>>                     to the top 3.
>>    (5) T. Allen - A reach ... but 140 yards on 12 or 13 carries, not bad
>   I'd switch 1 and 2 around.

I don't know.  I think the top 3 are so even it's impossible to tell.

It's way too early to put Allen in this group.

>>W.R.:
>>    (1) Rice - Nuff said
>>    (2) M. Irvin - He's good enough to make Aikman seem like a quality QB
>>    (3) E. Givens - A true burner ... Will shine big time this year
>>    (4) M. Haynes - Sorry Andre, but your only the second best on the 
>>                    Atlanta roster
>>    (5) G. Clark - Like Irvin, he's good enough to make Rypien look great
>   Put Sterling Sharpe in for Haynes or Givins. Sharpe is going to have a
>   monster year and return to the Pro-Bowl.

Sharpe is a tremendous talent.  If he was with a better team there'd 
be no question he'd be in the top 5.  He can do it all.  He's just 
about the best at avoiding the bunp and run, he's fast, powerful, tall, 
and he runs well with the ball after the catch.

>>Q.B.:
>>    (1) Marino - Simply amazing with the offensive lines he had to deal with.
>>                 Destined for the Hall of Fame
>>    (2) Kelly - Another Miami boy ... 
>>    (3) Moon - Think of what career numbers would be like if he had played
>>               his whole career in the NFL
>>    (4) Miller - With his recieving corp, he'll put up numbers few can match
>>    (5) Nagle - The only young quarterback with star potential
>   I wouldn't forget about Randall just yet.

It's way too early for Nagle too. 

JGH
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Updates ... Needed or Unnecessary??
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:44:10 GMT
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division

In article 12384@cis.uab.edu, beegle@ftp.phy.uab.edu (Earthbound) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.044841.660@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
>>If the net was 'live wire' news I would find it nice to have 'updates' posted
>>about games. BUT IT ISN'T! It seems like a very big waste of bandwidth to post
>>8-10 (or more) updates about games in progress since by the time most people
>>get them they know the score and have even seen highlights.
>>
>>Just my .02 cents worth.
>>
>>Eric
>>
>
>Well sorry that you are just WAY too busy to be bothered by an additional
>8-10 articles that you can easly skip over, but some of us were traped
>writting a proposal that had to be gotten out today and could not afford the
>time to be sitting around our house trying to do our best impersonation
>of a person trying to meld with their sofa. I for one am INCREADABLY thankfull
>for the person (Bob?) or persons who were trying to bring about a little
                 ^^^
>sanaty to my day....
>
>Thanks again for the WONDERFUL updates you all did...
>
>
>-- 
>Luke


That was me ... I wasn't sure if it was going to go over well with everyone,
but hey! ... I was trapped here, with FM Radio for the Redskins game.  They
were giving out scores periodically, so better to share the knowledge.
Thankfully, someone carried the ball for the Bills-Niners, which turned out
to be a barnburner of a game ... (I can't recall who it was, but many thanks)
The only football I got to see was the last 3:00 of the Eagles-Cards, just in
time to see Reggie White rumble into the endzone to make it 31-14 ...

Most Sundays, I am at home WATCHING the games, so this should not become a
regular event ... I love football too much to work through it every Sunday.

To those of you who sent e-mail ... thanks to those who liked it ... and for
those of you who didn't ... well, you know how to skip past messages  :-)


Bob - tough crowd !   :-)

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From: apf@cs.bham.ac.uk (Andrew P. Forgham)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Dallas line-up request
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:22:05 GMT
Organization: University of Birmingham

Can anyone mail/post the starting Cowboys (WOW-boys!) line-up
for yesterdays win over the FORMER champs??

In Britain we're lucky to see any final rosters in the
football press before week 4....

Wake up Browns, too!!

Andrew Forgham
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: GIANTS ........ ARRRRRGGGGHHH !!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:51:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.172050.17084@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.035201.227@PacBell.COM>,
>jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Sep9.012641.1863@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu) writes:
>>>John P. Gloria (jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM) wrote:
>>>> In article <6SEP199219273412@zeus.tamu.edu> mcs4041@zeus.tamu.edu (SHARAT SHEKHAR) writes:
>
>>>> >    is it time to fire Handley or what ??!!
>
>>>> >    How the fuck could a team that won a superbowl 2 seasons ago (and that
>>>> >goal line defense that stuffed the niners at the 1 yd line was a reminder) end
>>>> >up in this sort of fucking mess .............
>
>>>> >    FUCK EVERYTHING ... sorry but i'm, in a nasty mood
>
>>>> >    and pardon the f---ing language.
>
>>>> It happens to all of them at one time or another.  There was
>>>> some hard hitting going on both sides and the defense on the
>>>> Niner's, set the tone.  With four possible offensive threats on
>>>> the Niner's side, they could have beat just about any team
>>>> today.
>>>> --
>>>>         ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com --------
>>>>              "You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
>>>>             is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
>
>>>Don't forget how badly the giants play against the 9ers. The last few
>>>encounters have been won by the leg of Matt Bahr. For some reason, The
>>>giants never do that well against the 9ers (i though that Haley had
>>>something to do with it, but throw that out the window now).
>
>>I thought the Giant's always played the Niner's pretty good.  Prior
>>last Sunday's game, the scores had been rather close.
>
>I totally agree with you John that the Giants always play the Niners
>good.  I would say that both teams have been thorns in each others
>sides for the past ten years.
>Up until this last game, the past 5 meetings between the two teams
>resulted in those games being decided by a total of 21 points.  I
>would say that that is pretty darn close!  Although wasn't it in
>1986 when the two teams met in the playoffs, and the Giants blew the
>Niners off the field with a score of something like 47-3??
>
>                                                      Tony
>                                                   GO 49ERS!!!

Yikes, I have been wanting to forget about that game. Thanks alot
for bringing it up.  I will have to go see my therapist tonite and
fork over about $150 to get me calmed down.  I think they racked up
Joe Montana on this game also. I don't even want to think about it.
-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Early Games ... PARTIAL SCORES UPDATE
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:02:12 GMT

 
Sunday, 13 September - EARLY GAMES
 
        Dallas          20
    2   NY Giants        0
 
        Green Bay        0
    2   Tampa Bay       14
 
        Atlanta          7
    2   Washington      14
 
        LA Raiders      14
    2   Cincinnati       7


Redskins have the ball at the Falcon 35-yd line ... 8:17 'til halftime


Bob - Ball Control Offense ...

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Bob Ashley                        Internet:  Bob.Ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com

Software Engineer, (703)-818-4656  | Winter Leagues 1992-1993
   GTE Federal Systems Division    |    GTE FSD Mixed Secretary: Thu 17:45
   15000 Conference Center Drive   |    Thursday Mixups:         Thu 20:30
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: players w/ big stats: are they for real?
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:46:50 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <92254.161654MSB101@psuvm.psu.edu>, <MSB101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...

>The following players posted big numbers for week one.  But the players in my
>FFL are skeptical about their future potential.  Can anyone in the know comment
>on whether these stats were flukes or are these players for real?
> 
>1) Workman

I wouldn't day Workman had big numbers - 25 attempts for 89 yards - 3.6 
yard/carry.  Big numbers for him maybe.  Mostly it was on trap plays 
and mostly in the 1st half.  Workman is an okay runner.  You can 
expect 89 yards once in a while.  Now if he had gotten 100+ maybe then 
there'd be some question.

>4) Allen, T.

Allen had 96 of his 140 yards on 2 plays.  In both cases the Packers 
RILB, a rookie named Mark D'Onofrio, was caught out of position.  I 
don't know where the SS was on these plays, I'll have to review my 
tape.  On the other hand, Allen *was* able to take advantage of these 
mistakes.  It's just that you don't generally see a runner break 
through the line and have 20 yards of open field in front of him.

Without those 2 runs he would have been 10/44 (4.4 average) - still 
pretty good.

JGH
From: djh10@po.CWRU.Edu (David J. Henning)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Advanced Fantasy Football
Date: 15 Sep 1992 06:04:41 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: djh10@po.CWRU.Edu (David J. Henning)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


    When I was about 11, before the fantasy league craze hit, a friend of and
I developed a far more interesting pool, one that includes not just scoring
but all facets of football, tackles, blocked kicks, offensive lines and all 
the statistics one can handle.  We have done it for many years and every year
we never end up paying each other because compared to the prestige attatched 
to winning, the money is negligible. It only takes about 20 to 30 minutes
a week (depending on Monday Night players) and makes the most boring plays on
TV exciting.  For example, yesterday I had Chris Miller completing a pass to
Michael Haynes who was tackled by Brad Edwards, all of whom are on my team.  
So I got yards passing, yards receiving and a tackle.  Even there was no
score on the play it still greatly affected my team.  Our method is for 
football diehards only, but is far more accurate and enhances the fan 
experience a whole lot more.  If you would like rules send me some Email.
(It's all free)  

				David Henning
-- 
 "Pop music is like candy.  Everyone likes a little candy once in awhile,  
     but don't go callin' it food."              - Wynton;
 "There's a fine line between clever and stupid."   
                     - Nigel Tufnel, in Rob Reiner's "This is Spinal Tap"  
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: psilva@agora.rain.com (Paul Silva)
Subject: Re: MNF Announcer Bashing ...
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 06:57:37 GMT


Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>one thing that would make me very happy is if during halftime, they
>could at least run through the scores from the weekend and give the
>current standings (they do this sometimes during the game if it's a
>divisional rivalry, but not every week and not for every division). I
>think that since MNF is always the last game of the week, they have a
>almost-obligation to give us the current standings. I seem to recall
>that they *used* to do this (like when Cosell was around) but I might be
>wrong, because my memory's a little fuzzy...
>--Vernon.

  One of my favorite parts of the old broadcasts was Howard's halftime 
  reviews of the games.  In the beginning, he used to cover all the games 
  (or at least a good percentage), but as the seasons passed, for some
  reason (commercial revenue?) the halftime game reviews became shorter 
  and shorter, eventually just covering a few key games, or games involving
  large market share teams.  I can't remember the exact year they stopped 
  altogether.

  There was no ESPN, CNN, HBO, TNT, etc., doing NFL summary shows like they 
  are now.  I guess the MNF people of today figure the time spent on reviewing 
  the week's games or standings isn't "cost effective" considering all the
  available information sources providing the scores and standings.

  Or maybe the MNF announcers would get too confused by all the numbers. :-)

  ...Paul

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: teg@cci632.cci.com (Thomas Gauger)
Subject: Re: Buffalo loses another player on Defense
Keywords: Lodish, Rogers
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:54:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.124940.5304@ncsu.edu> easchwei@eos.ncsu.edu (ERIC ARNOLD SCHWEITZ) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.150850.13683@pdn.paradyne.com> lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes:
>>In article <47128@shamash.cdc.com> jblixt@mips.COM (jon blixt) writes:
>>>With the departure of Seals, does this mean Phil Hanson will now
>>>start at DE?
>>>
>>Interestingly, one guy who has look awfully good for Tampa Bay has been
>>Reggie Rogers this pre-season.   I don't think he would look as good in
>>another uniform as he has here  due to the presense of Floyd Peters who
>>can do wonders for a defensive lineman, but you can't tell me that this
>>guy couldn't help the Bills.
>
>I thought Reggie appeared to be "decent" enough the few times he actually
>got in the game.  He played well against the Colts as I remember.  He 
>was no Reggie White, but he was 100000000000% better than Lodish.
>Unfortunately for Bills fans, that guy that is still chewing the yellow
>stir-stick (the Bills idiot def. coor.) felt that Lodish was worth 
>keeping so got rid of Rogers.  (BTW, most def. coor. that want to
>coach in the NFL realize that a NT needs to weigh in at more than
>the starting linebackers.)

You have got to be kidding me! Reggie Rogers was, and probably still is
the SLOWEST lineman that I have ever had the displeasure of watching in
a Buffalo uniform. I remember last years pre-season game against the Lions
in Buffalo. The Lions had the ball in an obvious pass situation. The ball
was hicked and by the count of 3 Rogers had not moved. My dead grandmother
could move faster then he could.

Personally, I am glad that Buffalo got rid of this guy.

As for Lodish, I agree with Doug Evans -- so Doug where is the story?
Anyway, Lodish may not be the biggest or the best defensive lineman but
he has heart and spirit that cannot be taught. He is a tenacious fighter
and is willing to do just about anything to help the Bills win. I will
take one Mike Lodish's to a dozen Reggie Rogers any day.

==================================
The TEGGER
Rochester's self proclaimed #1 Bill's Fan

Section C5
Row 32
Seats 109 & 110

Buffalo: 31
  49ers: 27

GOD I HATE The 49ers!
From: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: COME BACK, BILL PARCELLS !!!!!!!
Date: 15 Sep 92 11:40:37 GMT
Reply-To: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


    I've heard that Ray "Wonder Coach" Handley has himself a 3 year
contract. I hope that the Giants management has the good sense to bite
the bullet and kick Handley's fat keester out the door, even though
they would no doubt have to pay him for another year for nothing in
return (better nothing in return than have him stay and do damage!).
What is the status of Parcell's contract with NBC? Does it give him
a loophole to leave if it's to an NFL head coach position?
    What do my fellow Giants true believers think of the possibility
of Bill returning? Note: During their radio commentary of the Skins-Falcons
game, Sonny Jurgenson and Sam Huff both expressed the belief that Bill
will be back next year if Handley doesn't deliver a more credible performance
as Giants head coach.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:35:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.233745.7182@lclark.edu> greco@sun.lclark.edu (Peter
Greco) writes:

>I think that each team should be allowed to use one timeout per half to
>review a play of their choosing.  This adds a little spice to the game by
>making a coach weigh the decision, especially when it involves a 2nd half
>timeout.
>
>Though it might be unfair to penalize a team for zebra mistakes, how else
>can the time factor be solved?

If the call on the field is overturned by the replay officials, no time-out is
charged to the team who called for the replay. If the call on the field
stands, a time out is charged to the team that asked for the replay.


-- 
Joe Huber 
(jbhuber@iastate.edu)        | Capt. James T. Kirk on the 2nd law of thermo: 
Dept. of Mech. Egr.          |  "It's not a hundred percent efficient,
Iowa State University        |   but nothing ever is."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: thomasc@ms.uky.edu (Thomas Campbell)
Subject: Bengals 21 -- Seahawks 3 (Go Defense!!)
    <1992Sep6.225828.6180@PacBell.COM>
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:08:39 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

DEE-FENSE, DEE-FENSE.  It was incredible!!! What was it 5 sacks maybe?
As far as the offense is concerned I still hate Boomer Esiason.


Alex


p.s. Can't wait to play Cleveland (WHO LOST TODAY!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA)
From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Go GIANTS!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: The "NEW" Giants
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:56:13 GMT
Organization: Yale University Computing & Information Systems

So Giants fans (if any are out there...)

Do you think the second half of the game was the "all new improved GIANTS"
that we were waiting for.

I'd like to point out a few of the plays:

The successfull plays began with Phil going to the tight end.  This was his 
old "throw to Mark Bavarro, he can catch anything" play.  Thank GOD there 
was McCaffrey (spelling) to actually come up with the ball on few of these.
This was one of Phil's favorite plays which worked GREAT!

We definately moved the ball with the pass (ok so we were practically forced 
into this position) but never the less, I didnt see meggett until later in 
the game.  The running game (and lack of the old style defense to help it) 
will move us into a throwing game.

Now lets face the reality. Phil came in LAST PLACE in the accurracy contest 
in Hawaii earlier this year.  Phil is NOT mobil either, then again, with a 
youger QB on your ass, you'd be moving better too...

I dont think HOSS is the man of the future for the Giants.  There was 0 
leadership in him when he took over the job last year.  We WERE LED BY 
DEFENSE, remember.  He does not have the charisma or talent to give the 
leadership so desperately needed by the uninspired team.

So how about some stats on the new QB we picked up this year (Brown????) we 
should be investing some time/$$$$ in a potential leader.

GO GIANTS (I want to see them play against Chicago like they did in the 
second half of the Dallas game)



Adriene L. Nazaretian        
Yale University              
ADRIENE@YALEADS.BITNET        
ADRIENE@YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU  
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: psilva@techbook.com (Paul Silva)
Subject: Re: Cowboy Super Bowl (Was: Re: The Niners are the favorites.)
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:59:36 GMT

>psilva@agora.rain.com (Paul Silva) writes:

>>  [Dallas] hadn't done anything consistantly for about a 
>>  decade (except lose) and we're supposed to believe the current group in 
>>  Dallas with a successful year last year is the second coming of the 
>>  1970s teams?

floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Floyd Goodrich) responds:

>Dallas had records of 7-9, 3-13, 1-15, and 7-9 over a 4 year streak from 1986
>to 1990.  They won the division in 1985.  Yet they consistently lose?  They 
>lost a bunch of games 2 seasons. That hardly constitutes a decade of 
>consistent losing, now does it?
>Floyd Goodrich

  So the '85 season was an anomaly.  What was their record and how did
  they do in the playoffs that year?  While you're at it, and to complete
  their picture of overall mediocrity the past decade, tell us how they 
  did before that season and after "the catch." 

  If we look at the big picture, there is really no comparing the two 
  teams during this (most recent) period.  If you want to go back another 
  ten years, the Cowboys will come out smelling like roses.

  ...Paul

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Subject: Re: VIKES KICK PACKERS!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:30:54 GMT

In article <18iu7sINN3nd@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mjb10@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael J. Bumbulis) writes:
>
>In a previous article, melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill) says:
>
>>In article <20191@plains.NoDak.edu> herreid@plains.NoDak.edu (Todd J. Herreid) writes:
>>>The NFL better look out, the Purple People Eaters are back!!
>>
>>Well , I am a huge Viking fan. But they could have looked alot better
>>to me. I watched the whole game, and they had way to many penalties,
>>and turned the ball over too much. The D did look good, and here's
>>to hoping they have a great season. We'll see next week against Detroit.
>>
>
>The most encouraging thing about this victory is that the Vikings
>usually seem to have a hard time with Green Bay.  But as you say,
>next week is the real test.  Will the Vikings stop Barry Sanders?
>They usually don't.
>

	Yea, usally they do play pretty badly against the Pack, just 
	dont know what it is, but they usally dont play very well against
	Barry either. Last year they lost becuase he ran over, through, under
	and everything else against them. Hopefully this sunday they will
	stop him.

	Mark Gresbach
	GO VIKINGS!
From: csm1@cec2.wustl.edu (Christopher Scott Macri)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Status of Nagle??
Date: 14 Sep 92 05:42:13 GMT
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO

Can anybody update me on the status of Nagle's X-Ray?

Speaking as a disgruntled Jet Fan to the Buffalo wingers up north...
Don't get your tickets to Pasadena yet, YOU DONT WANT TO BE  
LET DOWN THREE YEARS IN A ROW!!



Chris "I hate .sig's" Macri

"God, please give me a satelite with K-Band....I hate NBC" 
                -Chris Macri, every Sun. during football season..