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From: jjungbau@yoda.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Drew Bledsoe: overrated
Originator: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University!
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 04:06:43 GMT


Last night, ESPN reported that in a survey of NFL GMs and
coaches, Drew Bledsoe is still the unanimous choice for 
the number one pick in the draft, were he to leave early.
Is anyone else still wondering why he is such an overwhelming
favorite among scouts?  I've seen every Cougar game this year
(some several times) and he really is quite inconsistent, and
at times very poor.  Don't get me wrong... he's certainly very
talented and has a *very* strong arm, and I hope his play picks
up in the next few weeks (also, I am not blaming the team's recent
performance on Bledsoe alone; he didn't get *any* protection  
against UO this past Saturday).  I am just wondering why he is such a
clear choice as the number one pick.  Is it because raw skills and
physical attributes such as a strong arm, good size, etc. are 
weighted *much* more heavily than other factors such as good field
sense, consistency, and even mobility?  I'm not even sure he's the
best QB that could be taken, let alone the best overall player in the
nation (I've been more impressed with the QBs of our opponents in at
least three games this year).

Jim Jungbauer
Go Cougars, Vikings, Northstars! 

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From: jdng90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Gorsuch JDN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college,rec.sport.football.misc
Subject: British College League
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:21:19 GMT


 
  Here are the results I know of in the British Student American
Football League games played 1 / 11 / 92, or, as our American cousins
would say 11 / 1 / 92. 

  Sheffield     14  Hull          6
  Strathclyde   26  Teeside       0
  Paisley        1* Leeds         0
  Stirling       1* Newcastle     0
  Birmingham    50  Bristol       0
  Cambridge     30  Reading       0
  Leicester      5  Loughborough 30 
  Southampton   56  Cardiff       0 

   * = won by forfeit. 

  I know there are at least twenty five teams in the league, but I
don't know the scores of the other five games - maybe they weren't 
even playing.    

  9 / 11 / 92 
    Southampton  54  Bristol 0 

  If there is anybody out there at any other university or polytechnic
which has a BSAFL team, please either post or mail me the score of
your game. Do please enclose your e-mail address, as several of us are
trying to set up a league e-mail network. Thanks ! 

                    jon ( jdng90@uk.ac.soton.ecs )  

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   Go  STAGS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

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From: atchison@dorothy.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison)
Subject: Big Ten Picks (WAS: Re: Big Ten Preview (11-14-92))
Keywords: Big Ten
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:46:42 GMT

In article <Bxo436.9Eu@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>(Mark, your picks somehow didn't make it to me, and I didn't hear
>
>Games of November 14:
>
>Illinois (5-4) at Michigan (8-0-1) (ABC, 11:00 am, Central, National):
>Atchison: Michigan     34
           Illinois     17
>Penn State (6-3) at Notre Dame (8-1) (NBC, 12:30 pm Central, National):
>Atchison: Notre Dame   38
           Penn State   20
>Ohio State (7-2) at Indiana (5-4) (ABC, 2:30 pm, Regional):  A couple of
>Atchison: Ohio State   17
           Indiana       6
>Purdue (3-6) at Michigan State (4-5):  Purdue is looking good, but losing.
>Atchison: Purdue       24
           Michigan St  19
>Northwestern (2-7) at Iowa (4-6):  Iowa needs to look good these final
>Atchison: Iowa         21
           Northwestern 10
>Minnesota (1-8) at Wisconsin (4-5):  If Minnesota ever had a chance to
>Atchison: Minnesota    12
           Wisconsin     7

Sorry about the bandwidth, folks.  Mail fell through the cracks.

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From: 00mafrank@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Help with a trivia question
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:19:29 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

Just a question from a Michigan fan...

A few years ago, like 1989, Michigan won the NCAA tournament
in basketball and either the football season before or after
finished in the top three or so in the final poll.

My question is, what are the top placings for a single school
in consecutive seasons of football and basketball?  It doesn't
matter which comes first but preferably football should come
first since then the final ranking would be in the same year.
From: nichols@spss.com (David Nichols)
Subject: Re: What's the Bowl picture?
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:57:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.023114.22386@ee.gatech.edu> wung@eecom.gatech.edu writes:
>>|
>>|>Citrus Bowl:? 
>>|
>>|	Two of the teams listed for the Fiesta Bowl as possiblities
>>|	will end up playing here.
>
>Citrus takes the winner of the ACC versus whoever.

What? Where in the heck did you get this? The ACC winner is guaranteed
a spot in one of the open big three, from what I've heard (Orange, Sugar
or Cotton).

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From: zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: SOONERS
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:39:09 GMT
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research
Originator: zmed0b@zircon


In article <1992Nov4.202254.24919@iphase.uucp>, grima@iphase.com (Gary Rima) writes:
> In article <1992Oct19.223305.7173@utdallas.edu> dostalik@utdallas.edu (Bill Dostalik) writes:
> >In article <1992Oct15.215650.12669@midway.uchicago.edu> tsh2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
> >> what the hell is a sooner?
> >>
> >Funny you should ask.  In 1889 the powers that be decided the Oklahoma territory was
> >too good to save just for the indians, and decided to open it up for settlers.
> >A specific date and time was set for the Great Land Run of 1889, but many settlers
> >cheated and snuck across too soon.  These folk were given the name Sooners and it
> >stuck.  
> >
> >    OOOO      
> >   O    O     =================================== |     Bill Dostalik
> >   O  U O  U          Oklahoma Sooners            | dostalik@utdallas.edu
> >   O  U O  U  National College Football Champions |    Dept. of Physics    
> >    OOOO   U     1950 1955 1956 1974 1975 1985    | Univ. of Okla. @ Dallas    
> >      U    U  =================================== | 
> >       UUUU                                       |  "Oh, yeah?"  "Yeah."
> 
> Thanks!!!  There you have it, folks, from a rabid Sooner fan, no less.
> 
> Sooners = Cheats
> 
> GO BIG RED!!!  (Nebraska of course!!)
> 
> -Gary-
> -- 
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Excuse me?  It sure beats husking corn! Besides, WE don't get fifth downs!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: Texas injury report???
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:46:26 GMT
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  Check your net feed.  This article obviously very old.

<1992Nov6.200356.6782@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com writes:

> Hopefully, Ellis will be back against the
> Froggies.

  See what I mean?  It appeared at my site 11/10/92.  Anyway...

> >  RC, get that passing game going, quick!
> >
> They've still got a couple of games to work out the kinks, but it doesn't
> look good.  An article in the Austin American-Statesman compared Granger's
> stats to other recent sophomore A&M quarterbacks (Richardson, Pavlas, etc),
> and his stats are about as good as theirs.  You have to go all the way back
> to Kevin Murray to find a soph qb with decent passing stats.  Maybe this is 
> just another one of those Aggie traditions. :-)

  Well, it appears that true freshman Corey Pullig may get to improve those
numbers, if he retains his Louisville form.  I cannot begin to tell you how
much of a relief it is to see footballs landing in the hands of receivers,
and turning an anemic offense into something for opposing teams to really 
worry about.

  Although we should all wait to see if he can play as well against UH as the
Cardinals before we relax.  Our big problem all year has been erratic QB play.
If he holds himself together, A&M *should* have an impressive TV win this
Thursday.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: This One Was Sweet
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:30:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov9.173017.25805
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Southern Methodist University got its revenge Saturday, upsetting the Houston
Cougars 41-16 at Ownby Stadium in Dallas.  It was the final home game for
SMU's first full class of seniors since the Death Penalty, a class that
endured a 95-21 beating by the Cougars in their freshman season.

The Ponies, who opened a 20-point underdog, dominated from start to finish,
rolling up a 27-3 halftime lead.  The Mustang defense forced Houston's high-
powered run-and-shoot offense into five turnovers and registered five sacks.

With supposed Heisman favorite Gino Torretta having the week off, darkhorse 
candidate "Dandy" Dan Freiburger resurrected his campaign by riddling the
Cougar secondary for 346 yards and two TD's before SMU went ball-control
with its big lead.  The second half was Rongea Hill Time, as the senior
from San Antonio rolled up 129 yards rushing.

World-reknowned broadcast journalist Craig James was extremely impressed by the 
performance, saying, "SMU can compete with any team in the Southwest 
Conference, on any Saturday, except for Texas A&M."

Lee Corso was reportedly reconsidering his Heisman choice.

GT
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: What's the Bowl picture?
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 02:31:14 GMT

In article 3413@u.washington.edu, crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>|salas@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Miguel Salas) writes:
>|
>|>Fiesta Bowl:?
>|
>|	Really depends on the results of the SEC championship.  If
>|	Alabama loses, they will end up here, matched up with Miami,
>|	Notre Dame, Southern Cal, Texas A&M (if they lose to Texas),
>|	Boston College, Arizona, and half a dozen other teams.
>|
>|>Citrus Bowl:? 
>|
>|	Two of the teams listed for the Fiesta Bowl as possiblities
>|	will end up playing here.

Citrus takes the winner of the ACC versus whoever.

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From: krall@Think.COM (Tom Krall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: re: rivals
Date: 13 Nov 1992 19:36:51 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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Sorry for the multiple posts !!!
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From: gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka)
Subject: Re: Let the praying begin...
Keywords: horned frog
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 09:22:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.193459.2424@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:

... 

>
>of course, now that I have said that, TCU will probably pull the miracle 
>of all miracles and not only beat Texas, but beat A&M, IN THE SAME YEAR!
>
>cmuck

Yes! Go Horned Frogs!  
(Gotta love that picture of the horned frog on the turf!)
Now there's a miracle worth praying for!  ;-)
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Notre Dame vs. Miame was (Re: Open Question to Miami fans)
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:59:48 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <26368@optima.cs.arizona.edu> jbs@cs.arizona.edu (John B. Slankas) writes:
>In article <26367@optima.cs.arizona.edu> jbs@cs.arizona.edu (John B. Slankas) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov12.171026.25235@schbbs.mot.com> C14577@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Debra Sullivan) writes:
>>>what wimps those Irish are!  God knows they should get anything they
>>>want.  I would love to see them play Miami but I know it will never
>>>happen, Miami would KILL them.
>>
>>Just out of curiousity what was the last team to be Miami? (Which I believe
>>happened in 1990?)
>
>oops, that should have been beat, not be.  I know of plenty of teams who would
>never want to be Miami.
>
>John 

That's probably the problem with some schools.  Not wanting to be the most
dominating team in the last decade or so???  No, never...
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Miami #1
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 20:52:41 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <cf0qhfm00aw6E_v0UW@andrew.cmu.edu> William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>In an article <1992Nov12.200918.40770@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp
>(Dave Meeks) writes:
>
>>Based on current standings or course of year schedules???  
>>Miami has played #5 FSU, #9 Arizona, and #22 Penn State so far.  They
>>are schedule to face #10 Syracuse next week.
>
>Don't forget they also played Nebraska.  
>
>Will

????   Miami played Nebraska THIS YEAR, but January 1st was a LONG time ago.
 Maybe you were confused somewhere..  Miami has not played Nebraska this
 year, but Washington has...

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From: desert@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Desert Man...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: This Week's Predictions...
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:49:57 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Univ. of Arizona...,TSN, AZ...
Nntp-Posting-User: desert


		Alabama		28	Mississippi St.	16
		Army		24	Northern Illi.	23
		Baylor		28	Rice		24
		Boston College	30	Syracuse	28
		Bowling Green	31	Ball State	18
		BYU		24	Air Force	14
		California	22	ASU		21
		Central Mich.	26	Western Mich.	21
		Clemson		28	Maryland	21
		Colorado State	29	Ohio U.		12
		East Carolina	34	Arkansas State	 6
		Florida		29	South Carolina	16
		Florida State	38	Tulane		 6
		Georgia		27	Auburn		13
		Georgia Tech	24	Wake Forest	21
		Iowa		30	Northwestern	20
		Kansas		27	Colorado	24
		Kentucky	27	Cincinnati	17
		Louisville	25	Pittsburgh	20
		Miami		45	Temple		 3
		Miami, O	27	Kent State	12
		Michigan	40	Illinois	 7
		Michigan State	28	Purdue		26
		Mississippi	28	Louisiana Tech	15
		Missouri	24	Kansas State	17
		Nebraska	36	Iowa State	 9
		Nevada-Reno	21	Utah State	20
		New Mexico	33	Texas-El Paso	26
		New Mexico St.	31	CS Fullerton	19
		NCST		34	Duke		20
		Notre Dame	34	Penn State	28
		Ohio State	33	Indiana		27
		Oklahoma	27	Ok. State	21
		Oregon		31	UCLA		21
		San Diego St.	26	Hawaii		24
		San Jose St.	31	Pacific		27
		Stanford	30	Washington St.	24
		Tennessee	34	Memphis State	27
		Texas		34	SMU		10
		Texas A&M	34	Houston		26
		Texas Tech	23	TCU		21
		Toledo		30	Eastern Mich.	 8
		USC		23	Arizona		21
		Utah		24	Wyoming		22
		Vanderbilt	29	Navy		17
		Virginia Tech	23	Southern Missi.	17
		Washington	42	Oregon State	 9
		West Virginia	25	Rutgers		21
		Wisconsin	27	Minnesota	17

D Man...
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: What's the Bowl picture?
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:50:39 GMT
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In <Bx77zq.M7t@ra.nrl.navy.mil> salas@ra.nrl.navy.mil writes:

> In article <Bx74pA.JJB@ra.nrl.navy.mil> salas@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Miguel Salas) writes:
> >So far it's looking like the following:
> >
> >Cotton Bowl:Texas/FSU?

  Must be a Longhorn fan -- though still up for grabs, A&M is still favored to
to go to the Cotton.  I don't think FSU would want to return so soon, no matter
who they faced.  The coalition allows the bowls to pick in order, the teams are
not required to accept.  The might send FSU to...I dunno, maybe the Fiesta.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason)
Subject: Re: The mood in Bricker Hall about Mason
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:21:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.153320.17818@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn) writes:
>  Mike Doel writes:
>
>>[...]  However, as long as we beat
>>the Hoosiers and finish 9-3, I still say Cooper's back.  I bet the OSU
>>administration is still feeling snakebit from the Earle Bruce fiasco &
>>firing a coach after his best season (and a likely top 20 finish) just
>>wouldn't go over real well in the national media (nor should it).
>
>     You might be right, Mike. A Columbus Disgrace columnist wrote yesterday
>that OSU President Gordon Gee was asked about Glen Mason. Gee responded that he
>had no idea who Glen Mason was. Now, if you consider how hot the coaching issue
>is in Columbus, and you consider that Gee was the president of the U. of
>Colorado (Kansas' fellow B8 school) before he came here, you have to assume
>that Gee is either completely ignorant, or he's lying to make a point. I choose
>the latter (Gee has about the same reputation around here for veracity that
>Bill Clinton does). Gee took an incredible amount of heat for re-signing Cooper
>last year, and he may have decided to stick with him come hell or high water in
>the hopes that his judgment will eventually be vindicated. Or it could mean
>that the administration has already picked BG coach Gary Blackney to replace
>Cooper with. It's all speculation at this point. (That's why it's so much fun!)

I heard the excerpt of the news conference that you're talking about - Gee
was very obviously being intentionally facetious.  It went something like
this:

Reporter : Is anybody talking to Mr. Mason?

Gee: Mr. Mason?  I don't know any Mr. Mason - who are you talking about? (in a
     somewhat sarcastic tone).

Reporter: Glen Mason, the head coach at Kansas.

Gee: Oh !  Well I assume his wife and daughter are talking to him!

It seems to me that Gee is doing exactly what he should be doing ...
supporting the people who work for him, and leaving the evaluation
of their performance for the proper time (after the year).  If
the previous administration, under Jennings, had done the same
thing, OSU wouldn't have had nearly the problems it did with the
Earle Bruce fiasco.

david
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From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Sagarin Rankings - Michigan # 1
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 21:08:21 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Nov5.193332.27235@u.washington.edu> tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>>-- 
>>David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
>>VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
>>uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
>>davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
>
>Yeah, if I were using his ratings to bet in Vegas and making money, I probably
>be so pissed that he missed the Michigan-Purdue game that I'd flush his
>little system down the can.  No sir, if it's not 100% correct every week,
>it's no good.
>
>GT

Is your argument in this newsgroup 100% correct every week during the season?
Could you please find me anyone that is 100% correct every week during the
season?

If you argument is correct, well, everyone on this newsgroup is no good.
There is nothing to say any more.


- Louis


P.S. Michigan bashing is ON THE RISE!  May be some people feel jealous about
     how much $$ Michigan made, or how many admiration and respect Michigan
     get while still not at the top of the world, or just have to find a way
     to let-go the city-lives related anger and frustration?

     I really don't know...