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From: sauer@chama.eece.unm.edu (Tom Sauer)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: help with xprism2/3
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:10:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.37448

Hi,

On Apr 13, 23:00, Mueller-Pfeiffer, Stefan wrote:
} Subject: help with xprism2/3
>> Hi,
>> 
>> may be this is a trivial setup-bug, but I cannot find the solution:
>> Recently I installed Khoros 1.0 PL 5 (binaries from pprg.eece.unm.edu)
>> on a DECstation 3100 (Ultrix V4.2A Rev 47) and kept it running under mwm.
>> 
>> But when I invoke xprism2 or xprism3  (both with and without command line
>> arguments, I get lots of messages like
>> 
>>    xvf_parse_string_line
>>       Error in line '-H 1 6x2+36+1' HELP
>>    $KHOROS_HOME/doc/xprism/xprism2/output/postscript/help
>>    Only able to read 3 out of 16 required fields
>> 
>> and lots of other xvf_parse_foo_bar error messages. WHAT IS GOING WRONG ??

Ok, it sounds like you have installed patch 5 to source, but have not
installed patch 5 to system. It's easy to check what patch level you are at.
look at the files $KHOROS_HOME/src/PatchLevel and $KHOROS_HOME/repos/PatchLevel
they should be:

	Khoros 1.0 Source Patch 5 - Fri Mar 20 14:07:14 MST 1992
	Khoros 1.0 System Patch 5 - Fri Mar 20 14:06:43 MST 1992

>> 
>> Please help a novice ! -Stefan
>> 
>> Internet: iff327@zam001.zam.kfa-juelich.de
>>    Error in line
}-- End of excerpt from Mueller-Pfeiffer, Stefan

If this is not the problem, please let me know.

Thanks,

Tom

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From: mathew@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Mathew Yeates)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: classify toolbox crashes openwindows 3
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:19:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.37494


The subject says it all.
On a Sparc, SunOS 4.1.2, openwindows 3

-mathew
From: lindholm@ucs.ubc.ca (George Lindholm)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: build and install in seperate directories
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:22:34 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services, UBC, Canada

In article <37431@pprg.eece.unm.edu.pprg.unm.edu>, rasure@nell.eece.unm.edu (John Rasure) writes:
> 
> In "build and install in seperate directories", George Lindholm writes:
> + Has anyone done the work so that I can build khoros in 
> + /usr/local/src/bin/khoros and install what is needed in /usr/local/khoros
> + (followed by rm -fr /usr/local/src/bin/khoros)?
> 
> The source configuration and User Interface Files are dependent on the
> $KHOROS_HOME envirionment variable .... but bins and libs can be anywhere.
> 
> In other words;  src, doc, man, manual, and repos are dependent on
> how $KHOROS_HOME is set.  But bin, lib, and include can be anywhere as long
> as you define them properly when you run installit.
> 
> I would think that symbolic links would give you all of the flexibility 
> that you need.

The problem is that I don't want to use symbolic links. The source lives on
machine A, I want to build and install Khoros on machine B. The problem with
symbolic links is that if machine A goes down or the network from A to B dies,
then you can't access the files. Also, if I went through the effort to add
the links, I might as well copy the files into place but I would rather have
the option as part of the build/install process.
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6356 Agricultural Road, Vancouver, B.C., Canada  internet: lindholm@ucs.ubc.ca
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From: klprb@eng.umd.edu (S. Prabhukumar)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: superimposing two images
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:59:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.37528

Is it possible to superimpose a postscript file on a khoros image file(viff).
The size of the image is 512 by 512 pixels. The postscript file contains some
arrows which indicate a velocity field. I am new to this mailing group & I 
just sent my request to become a member of the group.
From: sbw@turing.cse.nau.edu (Steve Wampler)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: editimage and some servers...
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:00:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.37475

Hmmm, I wonder if the problem in MacX, HPUX, and DGUX is related to
the mysterious comment in xvd_copy_colormap_and_free() in

        ~khoros/src/xvroutines/Lib/xvdisplay/color.c

Maybe more servers than just OW2.0 have the problem?  I've started tracing
through execution on a DGUX system and (using mandril.rgb.xv) the
server packs up and goes home when allocating the color with index 241...

I *think* that xvd_copy_colormap_and_free() is being called by then
(the stack gets completely trashed so I've to trace things with a finer
granularity to be sure...)

Comments?  Just what happens on OW2.0?

-- 
	Steve Wampler
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	{sbw@turing.cse.nau.edu}
From: Gregory Donald Carson <gdcarson@icaen.uiowa.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: HELP Making Khoros cantata work
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:55:46 GMT

Three posts, ...er..... , messages and questions

 (1) Help!,

        I have ftp'd, and ./ installit'd the khoros data, src, and system
files.  The compile and installation seemed to go fine.  I have set up my
environment, made sure there was a path statement to the khoros binaries,
put the sample .Xdefaults into my .Xdefaults file, and I source the
.khoros_env file which is in my home directory.
        I have been able to use some things such as vshrink to verify that
the program is working, however, and this is the problem, I cant seem to be
able to use any of the 'good' stuff.
        Here is a sampling of the things I have tried

        cantata (example from Getting Started)
        animate
        editimage
        viewimage
        xprism2
        xprism3

        all of these I tried exactly as indicated in Chapter 1, Getting
Started,of Vol 1 Users Manual.
        Have I missed something that I needed, did I forget to install
something that I need to install.  HELP I really need to get this working
asap.

        Thank you all for reading my post to the khoros users group, and
thanks for any help anyone can be.

Greg

cute block not done yet...........gdcarson@icaen.uiowa.edu


 (2) Hello Khoros Users,

        I was also wondering if there was anyway to start the overall
khoros prorgam once I am in the X windows environment.  As I described in a
letter just previous I think I installed all the necessary stuff, and really
want to be able to use this program, but have not been able to get any of the
good stuff to work.
        I keep searching through the bin directory and trying commands
but so far none of the reall cool things I have heard so much about and want
to use to build my programs from has poped up.
        Please pardon the excessive mail from me, and thanks for your help

Greg

cute block not done yet...........gdcarson@icaen.uiowa.edu

 (3) Hello, Can someone tell me where it is I can find kraftsman to install
the example_toolbox, I think that is where the cantata stuff is at and I cant 
seem to be able to install it.

Greg

cute block not done yet...........gdcarson@icaen.uiowa.edu


THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP.........oh yeah and one more thing can some one tell
me the email address to mail questions to khoros#chama.eece.edu ?

Greg

cute block not done yet...........gdcarson@icaen.uiowa.edu
From: rasure@nell.eece.unm.edu (John Rasure)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: Using KHOROS for Process Control
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:17:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.37527


In "Using KHOROS for Process Control", Susan Mniszewski writes:
+ Hello,
+ 
+ Has KHOROS ever been used for process control??  I am working on a system
+ for automating an analytical chemistry laboratory and looking for a tool
+ to provide an overall user interface and more.  The need is for a user
+ interface that includes graphics and text, as well as the ability to
+ visually program analytical chemistry methods that can be translated to 
+ run on actual hardware.  Thanks.

We continue to get numerous requests for this kind of application, both
from Government Labs and Industry.  There has been a detailed discussion
of the issues on comp.soft-sys.khoros.  But here is a rough summary:

	o  Khoros 1.0 lacks a complete implementation of data stream 
	   processing (it is based on block processing via sockets, files,
	   etc).  We have the fremework for it, and the idea is 
	   compatible with the current visual language.  But it would take
	   custom development to get it going.

	o  But, Khoros 2.0 should be readily usable for this type of 
	   application.   We are trying to implement the necessary
	   infrastructure for it via what we call our transport library
	   and our data services library.

	Caveate .... the Khoros development group has very little experience
	with process control, so even though we can implement a programming
	language that might generalize to your problem, it not might
	work as well as it should without participation from those that
	do know process control.  So, I mention it again, that given the 
	interest in this kind of application, I would be glad to put 
	together a list of names who are interested, so each of you can begin
	talking about what is needed in Khoros to make it a solution
	for your application.

+ 
+ 			Sue Mniszewski
End of message from Susan Mniszewski
From: becky@chama.eece.unm.edu (Becky Bishop)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: training
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:42:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.37353



                        KHOROS TRAINING COURSES

This is to test the waters, to see if there is sufficient interest
to justify two Khoros training courses.  Specifically, we are      
considering offering two courses, one Image Processing course using
Khoros and a Khoros User's/Programmer's course.  The courses 
are described as follows :



                    IMAGE PROCESSING WITH KHOROS
                       UNM Summer Short Course

This will be a short course in Image processing with Khoros.
The course under consideration will consist of a four-day
course, starting August 4th on the University of New Mexico
campus.  The emphasis will be on practical image processing,
reinforced in the lab with exercises using Khoros.  Part or all 
of the last day will be devoted to writing and installing Khoros 
routines.  The fee will be $900/person.

Instructor

The instructor is Greg Donohoe, Ph.D., Assistant Professor of Electrical
and Computer Engineer.  Greg has 12 years experience in image
processing and computer vision, both as a Senior Member of the Technical
Staff at Sandia National Labs and on the faculty of the University of New
Mexico.  He regularly teaches a graduate course
in Image Processing at UNM.  He has contributed routines to Khoros, and
he and his students use Khoros extensively in the classroom and in
research.

If you would be interested in such a course and you or your organization 
are willing to pay your costs, please email to Greg Donohoe at:

donohoe@jemez.eece.unm.edu


                 Khoros User's/Programmer's Training Course

This course will consist of two components.  For those who wish to
learn to use Khoros and its existing capabilities, a 3 day User's
course will be given.  This course will introduce user's to the Khoros
system including the visual language, Cantata, and the the various
plotting and image display programs provided with the system.  In 
addition, the course will provide installation information and toolbox
configuration.    

For those user's who wish to learn to write new application programs 
and integrate existing routines within Khoros, an optional 2 day 
Programmer's course will be given following the User's course.  
Both causes will consist of lectures and lab exercises.

Tentative dates set for the User's course are July 13-15 with the
two day programmer's course to follow.  The course will be given by 
members of the Khoros Group and most likely will be held in           
Albuquerque.

If you would be interested in such a course, please e-mail 
Becky Bishop at:

becky@chama.eece.unm.edu
From: jogl@bilbo.imsd.rwth-aachen.de (Joachim Glaubrecht  #Alwd#)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: easy to use PIXEL-drawing program ???
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:20:16 GMT
Organization: Institut f. Med. Statistics @ Dokumentation

Hi,

is there ANY easy-to-use pixel orientated PAINT/DRAWING
program for (lets say) BYTE-VIFF-Images ?

or is there any X11-PAINT-program (at all) available
as C-source-code for 256-grey-scales ?

ANY helpfull hint is wellcome ...

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From: hachi@image.kuass.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Kozaburo Hachimura)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: How to use K-means results
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:48:47 GMT
Distribution: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Organization: Kyoto University, Department of Technology

Hi,

Tell me someting about use of clustering procedures built in KHOROS
system.
I have been trying to use K-means algorithm for classifying multi-band images, 
I understood, of course, how to feed input data to the algorithm and how to
invoke it, and it worked quite well.
Then my question is how to use the results, i.e. outputs, of the algorithm
for further processing.  I can get an image of cluster labels (Output VCC
Image) and an image of cluster center (Output CC Image), but I do not 
understand how to combine these data in order to get a multi-band image 
of clustering result and further process it in the standard Cantata
environment just like ordinary multi-band images without writing any spcific
program.
Any suggestions and comments are welcome.

Thank you,

Kozaburo HACHIMURA
Division of Applied Systems Science
Faculty of Engineering
Kyoto University
Uji, Kyoto 611
Japan
mail: hachi@image.kuass.kyoto-u.ac.jp
From: kk@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Konstantinos Konstantinides)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:43:54 GMT
Subject: Khoros-patch 5 and HP-UX
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
From: respl@mi.uib.no
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Reading data upside down
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:02:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.37312

Operating System: HP-UX A.B8.05 A
Phone:            05 - 54 47 04                              Fax: 05 - 54 47 07
From:             Peder Langlo. <respl@mi.uib.no>
Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.33]

I find it unatural that asc2viff and xprism3 (and others?) reads data from
upper left corner of domain and downwards instead of lower left and upwards.
-
Any reason for that? I'll bet that the great majority of users save their
data with starting point in lower left corner, which usually is origo.
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From: castalia@gaea.lpl.arizona.edu (Bradford Castalia)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re:  Reading data upside down
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:04:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.37314


> From khoros-mailer@chama.eece.unm.edu Tue Apr  7 06:09:47 1992
> From: respl@mi.uib.no
> Posted-Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 14:49:03 +0200
> Subject: Reading data upside down
> To: khoros@chama.eece.unm.edu (Khoros Mailing Group.)
> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 14:49:01 METDST
> 
> I find it unatural that asc2viff and xprism3 (and others?) reads data from
> upper left corner of domain and downwards instead of lower left and upwards.
> -
> Any reason for that? I'll bet that the great majority of users save their
> data with starting point in lower left corner, which usually is origo.
> --

On the contrary, image data is typically stored "raster-wise" with the
upper-left corner being the origin. This is consistent with the
"natural" reading order of the programmers and users (I guess it would
be natural to have the upper right corner be the origin in Arabic
countries) and the most efficient loading sequence for most image
display devices (which are ordered this way for the same reasons of
cultural conventions).  While a right-handed Euclidean system would
seem more natural to a mathematician (and, since I have a degree in
math, I can empathize), there are just too many good arguments for all
the alternatives.  For example, here at PIRL we support a large image
processing software system that uses the row,column method with the
origin at 1,1 which seems perfectly natural to the users. Therefore, I
think that it would be more effective to ask that the software system
support a user-specified coordinate system, probably by means of an
environment variable.

Bradford Castalia                      castalia@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu
Systems Manager                        (602) 621-6946
Planetary Image Research Laboratory    (602) 621-4824
Space Sciences Building, 429           LPL FAX: (602) 621-4933
University of Arizona
Tucson, Arizona  85721
From: klamer@mi.eltn.utwente.nl (Klamer Schutte)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: Khoros as an Open System
Date: 6 Apr 92 08:25:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.37281

John Rasure wrote:

...

>     Patch 5 is the last official patch to Khoros 1.0.   We have
>begun Khoros 2.0 and hope to make it available in about a year.
>However, the timeliness and method of distribution of Khoros 2.0
>depend on the support provided from the Khoros User Community.
>With this message we hope to establish what the mutual 
>responsibilities are for the Khoros Group and for the User Community.

Too bad if this means that bug fixes have to wait about a year before
they are released to the general public. I could think of scheme in which
the user community provides the bug fixes and a consortium member combines
these individual fixes to consistent patches.

Klamer
--
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Faculty of electrical engineering -- University of Twente, The Netherlands
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From: sauer@chama.eece.unm.edu (Tom Sauer)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: PARSER COMPILE PROBLEMS
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:38:04 GMT

Hi all,

We have been trying to determine the cause of the compile problems
with shared libraries and the parser variables and functions being undefined
(mainly Sun and HP).

We asked folks with these problems to mail us how they were compiling Khoros.
This seems to be the scenario:

	1. Apply patch 5 to the Khoros 1.0 patchlevel 4
	2. make allclean
	3. installit

We duplicated the above and had no problems, so we can only make a suggestion
as to how to fix/prevent the compile problems.  For the dspl library
parser problems, we suggest:

	1. cd $KHOROS_HOME/src/dspl/Lib
	2. rm -f poly_yacc.c poly_lex.c 
		
		Some of these files may not exist. Ignore any messages
		that indicate a non-existant file.  
		
		Do not be alarmed about deleting .c files. 

	3. make clean
	4. make install

If you have added #defines in $KHOROS_HOME/include/vpoly.h in an earlier
attempt to fix this problem, then remove those lines prior to step 3.

For the vexpr library, try this:

	1. cd $KHOROS_HOME/src/Lib/vexpr
	2. rm -f expr.c expr_lex.c

	3. edit ./vexpr.h and delete lines 105 - 149

	4. make clean
	5. make install

We will be adding the above deletions (step 2 in each case) to the
patch shell script.  If you are obtaining patch 5 after monday (4/13)
then you should not have these problems. We can not include
the changes to step 3 above in the current patch 5, however, this
should not make a difference since the code being delete is just 
redefining variable and functions that do not exist.


We want to thank:
	Jan Stein (jan@math.chalmers.se)
	Konstantin Konstantinides (kk@hpkronos.hpl.hp.com)
for their help in tracking these problems down.

Please let us know if this does not work, or if you have other ideas
on a better fix.

Thanks,

Tom Sauer & Jeremy Worley
From: gdcarson@icaen.uiowa.edu (Gregory Donald Carson)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Khoros Starting Troubles
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:44:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa
Originator: gdcarson@temp2

Three posts, ...er..... , messages and questions

 (1) Help!,

        I have ftp'd, and ./ installit'd the khoros data, src, and system
files.  The compile and installation seemed to go fine.  I have set up my
environment, made sure there was a path statement to the khoros binaries,
put the sample .Xdefaults into my .Xdefaults file, and I source the
.khoros_env file which is in my home directory.
        I have been able to use some things such as vshrink to verify that
the program is working, however, and this is the problem, I cant seem to be
able to use any of the 'good' stuff.
        Here is a sampling of the things I have tried

        cantata (example from Getting Started)
        animate
        editimage
        viewimage
        xprism2
        xprism3

        all of these I tried exactly as indicated in Chapter 1, Getting
Started,of Vol 1 Users Manual.
        Have I missed something that I needed, did I forget to install
something that I need to install.  HELP I really need to get this working
asap.

        Thank you all for reading my post to the khoros users group, and
thanks for any help anyone can be.

Greg

cute block not done yet...........gdcarson@icaen.uiowa.edu


 (2) Hello Khoros Users,

        I was also wondering if there was anyway to start the overall
khoros prorgam once I am in the X windows environment.  As I described in a
letter just previous I think I installed all the necessary stuff, and really
want to be able to use this program, but have not been able to get any of the
good stuff to work.
        I keep searching through the bin directory and trying commands
but so far none of the reall cool things I have heard so much about and want
to use to build my programs from has poped up.
        Please pardon the excessive mail from me, and thanks for your help

Greg

cute block not done yet...........gdcarson@icaen.uiowa.edu

 (3) Hello, Can someone tell me where it is I can find kraftsman to install
the example_toolbox, I think that is where the cantata stuff is at and I cant 
seem to be able to install it.

Greg

cute block not done yet...........gdcarson@icaen.uiowa.edu


THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP.........oh yeah and one more thing can some one tell
me the email address to mail questions to khoros#chama.eece.edu ?

Greg

cute block not done yet...........gdcarson@icaen.uiowa.edu