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From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Hooked On Phonics)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas 23 Washington 10
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:21:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep8.052459.2111@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, stapleto@gmuvax2.gmu.edu 
	(Kathy Stapleton) writes...

>     Does anyone out there have any ideas as to WHY the Redskins were
>not up to their Super Bowl form????  I hear that Gibbs was saying that
>the offense has been very unorganized as of late...and even though I
>am a loyal Skin fan through and through, I cannot say even ONE nice
>thing about this darn game.  Not ONE!  The touchdown made by the Skins
>was pure luck and I could not believe all of those open holes that the
>Skins defense let by so Emmett could strut his stuff to go another
>game 100+ yards...  And I have NEVER NEVER seen the Redskin offensive
>line do such HORRIBLE blocking for Ryp....I remember last year...only
>*seven* sacks were allowed...  *Seven*!!!!!!!!!!!!  And this game,
>*two*?  Anyone have any explanations?

Yeah, one my friends and I considered from way back last year when the 'Skins
were on the road to the Bowl...

They are old.  They sacrificed what they had in the future for the big shot
last year--witness the rash of Plan B acquisitions last year.  Note that I'm
talking mainly about defense here--except for the apparent truth to the idea
that Mark Rypien was a flash in the pan, the offense is in good shape (ok, some
older guys on the OL, but all teams have those players...).

>     A very distraught,
>     Kathy

A completely unsurprised,
Chet
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From: tokuno@milton.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno)
Subject: Re: FINAL - Niners vs Bills
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:00:24 GMT

jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:

>BILLS win: 

>Start of 4th QTR: 
>SCORE: 
>Niners: 31 
>Bills:  27

>See-saw battle.

>Bills have 4th and 4 and get first down. Shit!
>Lousy defense by Niners on critical play of game.

>Thurman Thomas scores from 11 yds out.

>SCORE: 
>Niners: 31 
>Bills:  34

>It is time to test the mettle of Young's composure and
>and Niners offense.  Will it be luck or skill that wins
>the game at this juncture for the Niners or Bills???

>Time left: 1:58
>Timeouts:  Bills 2
>           S.F.  3

>Cofer attempts a 46 yd FG to TIE the game.  The
>Niners blew it. Lnych the S.O.B. (Cofer).   

>I will be the first to admit that the Bills WON this
>game and it was one of the most exciting, high octane
>that I have witnessed.   The key play was the INT that
>the Niners committed.  

>Look for Niners and Bills in the SB.

>FINAL SCORE:
>Niners: 31
>Bills:  34

>I know, all the Bills fans will be gloating and rightfully
>so.  Bottom line, whatever team you were rooting for, it
>was an exciting game.  Any comments on why the Bills won or
>the Niners lost.  I think it could have gone either way.
>A couple of mistakes by the Niners did them in, IMHO.

	Mistakes, yes.  One of the mistakes was keeping Cofer around this
season.  I read something by Norm Johnson, the ex-Seattle kicker who did
so well for Atlanta last year.  He said that when a placekicker loses his
confidence with a team, it might be best just to release him and let him
try to regain it with some other team.  It looks like it's time to let
Cofer go and if he does catch fire with another team, Johnson's theory
might be the reason.

	But it wasn't just the mistakes.  Give the Bills credit.  They
looked very good on offense and I kept hoping that Seifert would pull some
trick, like using five linemen to put pressure on Kelly, to stop Buffalo's
passing game.  (Remember Super Bowl XIX?)  But no such trick was used and
the defense continued to look confused.  Note that the Bills had little
success with their rushing game.  

	An additional comment:  Young has shown that even when he is
having a great day, he can't pull the game out at the last minute like
Montana can or even like Bono.

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From: newson@sequent.com (Newson)
Subject: Re: Buffalo television\
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 15:18:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.161251.25703@bmw.mayo.edu> Kall@Mayo.EDU writes:
>In article 24925@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU, gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>>v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:
>>>Well here in the Wonderous city of Buffalo :} it happened again. At 1:00
>>>the bills played the Rams and on the other station that was supposed to
>>>show the Falcons/Jets game they broadcasted some bullshit. 
>>
>>I'm pretty sure that this is part of the NFL TV agreement (like
>>blackout of un-soldout games): When the local team is at home, the
>>station that shows that game is not allowed to do a double header.
>>
>>I certainly remember sometime last year that the Niners were at home
>>and therefore the CBS affiliate didn't show a Skins-Giants game or
>>something.
>>
>>Bring on PPV...
>>
>
>PPV??? Get real, get a dish. It'll be cheaper in the long run versus what
>PPV will eventually cost you if they start charging you!!!
>
If football goes to PPV a Dish won't be the solution. Dish owners are not
exempt from PPV programming, they gotta pay too.

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Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.                       newson@sequent.com
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From: tom@vexcel.com (Tom Baltzer)
Subject: Re: Afterthoughts on Raiders/Denver
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:04:47 GMT

In article <40972@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.com> maurit@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (Mark Aurit <maurit>) writes:
>As a Raiders fan, I was unhappy that they lost a game they should
>have won. But in retrospect, I cant help but feel glad that Im
>backing the losing Raiders than the winning Broncos.

That makes about as much sense as being glad that you supported 
Perot!  :-)

>
>As I said, the Raiders had the game in vitually every important
>position (sure, Schroeders no Elway - but then very few are). All
>they need to do is a little fine tuning and they certainly have
>the firepower and defense to make a very respectable showing of
>themselves. Hey, Bell and Dickerson in the same backfield!

I must say that Dickerson and Bell were pretty impressive, but
you'll note that neither had a really outstanding day, and that
was against a Bronco D that was minus one Steve Atwater who is
pretty awsome against the run.

>
>Denver, on the other hand, was lucky - and while there is nothing

Granted they had some luck, (mostly that the Raiders couldn't 
really drive, if that's lucky), but I think that they won it
on inspired D and a typical nail-biting Elway conclusion.  I 
don't think that's luck, that's typical Broncos football.

>wrong with being lucky, you cant count on it, and defensively and
>offensively they were really weak. 

defensively weak?  I don't think so.  How many turnovers did they get?
How often was Schroeder rushed?  and how often did the Raiders get
into the end zone?  

I'm really not clear on how the Broncos were defensively weak here.

>
>Anyone else feel the same?
>
>Mark
>maurit@nrtc.northrop.com


GOOOO Broncos!

Tom.
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From: jaeastman@anl.gov (Jeff Eastman)
Subject: Re: Updates??
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:07:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.151322.12384@cis.uab.edu>, beegle@ftp.phy.uab.edu
(Earthbound) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Sep14.044841.660@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
> >If the net was 'live wire' news I would find it nice to have 'updates' posted
> >about games. BUT IT ISN'T! It seems like a very big waste of bandwidth to post
> >8-10 (or more) updates about games in progress since by the time most people
> >get them they know the score and have even seen highlights.
> >
> >Just my .02 cents worth.
> >
> >Eric

I think the updates are great!  If you don't like them, don't read them.
_______________
Jeff Eastman
jaeastman@anl.gov
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Subject: Re: taunting and crushing egos
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:49:05 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1992Sep12.002834.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>, rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>I gotta say I think the taunting rule is for wimps... you've got huge guys 
>out there putting each other in the hospital and a ref penalizes someone 
>for playing like a cowboy with his 6 shooters?  From Ali to the early Bobby 
>Fischer, they recognized that the game is not a sterile exhibition but one 
>inwhich you try, in Fischer's words, "crush his ego." When you've done 
>that, the rest will follow. These sports are mental too and if you can 
>distract your opponent, that's part of the game.  
>
To hell with the ego.  Destroy your opponent.  Pick up the QB and throw
him to the ground(ala Green Bay and Jim McMahan).  Or tape some brass
knocks on and punch the opposition underneath the facemask(easier
done as a lineman).  Or punch the player as you tackle him.  Or
twist the facemask.  If you're going to handicap you're opponent
mentally, why not handicap him physically?  
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From: walker@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Scott Walker)
Subject: Re: 49er/Bills
Organization: DuPont Central Research & Development
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:45:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.173423.9466@wuecl.wustl.edu> wsl1@cec1.wustl.edu (Wing Suen Lee) writes:
>
>Cofer once again disappointed the 9'ers fans.  How difficult to kick
>
>the damn ball?  Who is the backup safety?  I still think that Dana Hall
>
>cannot be a starter.

Obviously you've never tried to kick a field goal yourself.  You can try it
at any local high school field.  Even put it on a tee to make it a piece of
cake.  If it was easy to kick field goals, why don't they just have the water
boy do it?

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From: rickk@netmbx.netmbx.de (Rick Kuhlbars)
Subject: Re: Steelers beat the Oilers!!
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:20:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.182714.11576@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> paul@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Paul Asmar) writes:
>Pittsburgh's defense played pretty good, considering they were playing one
>of the best offenses in the league.  Warren Moon has been a little bit
>erratic the last couple of years.  He has made a lot of bad plays lately.
>One of the interceptions he threw was one of the worst I have ever seen.
>It looked like he panicked and didn't know what to do with the football.
>He has had some of his worst games against the Steelers.  That's good
>because I hate the Oilers!

Alright.  Finally somebody bashing the Oilers.  I've been waiting years
for people to start bashing the Oilers the way others bash the Redskins
or Cowboys. Thank you!  One divisional championship and this honor.

BTW, while keeping statistics, don't forget the Steelers wildcard playoff
victory a couple of years back.

Anyway, I do think you team will make the wildcard spot.  I've always had
respect for Pitt.  Classic matchups in the late 70s and early 80s are
not forgotten.

rick
--------------
Da Oilers..Da 'Stros..Da Rockets..Da Arrows...Oooops

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From: duclaux@cs.tulane.edu (Sean Duclaux)
Subject: Re: Kill Cofer, get Blanchard.
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-28606]: amor
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:41:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.160425.16650@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> ded@aplcen (nod sivad) writes:
>>Sorry man.  The Saints [aren't] that stupid.  They put him [a kicker] on their
>>developmental squad.
>
>I've never heard of one team raiding another's developmental squad.  Perhaps
>there's some sort of gentlemen's agreement in operation here.  But
>there is nothing to prevent it.  If some team "develops" an urgent
>need for a kicker don't be surprised if you lose this guy.
>
>
>                               me
>
The Saints signed Carey Blanchard yesterday b/c Snortin' Morten is
still have tendonitis problems in his kicking knee.  Floyd Turner (WR)

broke his leg against the Chicago Panda's in their win on Sunday and was
place on IR for the season.



Geaux Saints!
Who 'Dat!!!
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From: vamplew@probitas.cs.utas.edu.au (Peter Vamplew)
Subject: Re: When Walker fails (Re: If Walker should fail.)
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:45:07 GMT

In <1992Sep9.133006.18278@hemlock.cray.com> rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:

>Part of my earlier criticism of Walker was his lack of consistency.  Take
>his 26 carries for 114 yards (4.38 ave).  Subtrack his 33 yard run and it's
>25 for 81 (3.24 ave).  Terry Allen was 12 for 140 (11.6 ave).  Take out
>his two longest runs (of 45 and 51 yards) and he was still 10 for 44 
>(4.4 ave). (Not to mention Allen's better receiving stats.)

I'm not sure I understand you definition of consistency. Surely Allen was
less consistent because when you subtract his long runs his average per carry
fell by much more (assuming consistency refers to how much variation there
is in the length of runs). Herschel was more consistent - it's just that he
was consistently getting shorter runs!

>Keep track for yourself.  You'll see that given ~25 carries, Walker will
>evantually break a couple long runs.  The other 20+ will be well below
>what an average back would gain.  The problem is that those 20+ carries
>will result in lots of 3 & 8's.  Walker is not consistent enough to sustain
>long drives or come up with the needed yardage on any given carry.  

Perhaps I may have the solution. In the same way that Dave Megget and Eric
Metcalf have been used as specialist 3rd-and-long backs, perhaps Herschel
could be a specialist in 2nd-and-short situations. Often teams will throw 
deep on 2nd-and-short, taking the chance of getting a long gain knowing 
they still have a good shot at making the yardage on 3rd down if the bomb 
is unsuccesful. Well, isn't your description of Herschel's running similar
to a deep pass - often it results in little or no gain, but you have a
higher than normal chance of breaking a long play. So why not bring Herschel
in for these situations and run him instead of throwing deep?

{Disclaimer - all of the above should be treated as being only semi
 serious at most}

Peter Vamplew
From: ae935@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jon Waler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: will Mack be Back?
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:42:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Mack in on the IR, and will probably be back for week 5.




Jw
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From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: Niners Roster
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 01:25:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.022424.6347@athena.mit.edu>, chico@athena.mit.edu (Thomas A Weston) writes:
>Does anyone know the status of Mark Seay?  Is he on the roster, devolopmental, IR
>or released?

He's one of the five players on the practice squad. I sure like this guy.

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From: deguc@holein1.Corp.Sun.COM (Bob Deguc)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bruce Smith question
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:21:38 GMT
Reply-To: deguc@holein1.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article 27874@oz.plymouth.edu, d_white@oz.plymouth.edu (Donald A. White) writes:
> 
> Was Smith a major factor in the 49'r - Bills game?  I couldn't watch it
> because of hopeless Patriot fans observing the Pats get stomped.  I
> guess what I'd like to know is how all individual stars did, stats and
> stuff.  If someone could post that, it'd be great.
> 
> Bills rule!

I don't know if I'd catagorize him as being a *major* factor.  He was none-the-
less a factor.  I believe he caused a fumble in the 3rd quarter and his opposite
number (on offense) was flagged for holding on the 9er last drive (could have
been the difference between making the FG attempt).  According to MacPaper (USA
Today) he didn't have *any* tackles(!?).  I don't think that that is 100% 
correct (they also didn't report Lodish's sack).

Bob De Guc
Bills fan in *ANY* country!
From: asymptot@sbe (Mike Mathews)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Official Rules, where to get them?
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:25:08 GMT
Organization: School of Business, California State University, Hayward


Hello all:

Does anyone know where I could get a copy of NFL rules?
An FTP site would be great, as would anybody mailing them to me at
mmathews@csuhayvm.csuhayward.edu

Thanks much!
Mike Mathews

PS From a displaced Buffalonian who now lives in San Fran. (and got seventh row 
seats on the twenty) : GREAT WEEKEND OF FOOTBALL! :) :) :)

mm 
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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Evil Sheriff of Dodge City)
Subject: taunting for 15
Organization: Yale University Computing & Information Systems
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:31:10 GMT

During the 9ers/NYG game, I believe there were 2 taunting calls. 15yard
loss.  (how are you supposed to be psyched up as a defense and 
suppress yourself at the same time)

Is this the same as "unsportsman-like conduct"? Can someone clarify the 
taunting thing for me.

Are they paying special attention to this topic this season?
I didnt watch any other games, and was wondering if this was something 
that is getting more attention this season.

Adriene L. Nazaretian        
Yale University              
ADRIENE@YALEADS.BITNET        
ADRIENE@YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU
From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Raiders vs Broncos (BOX SCORED NEEDED)
Date: 7 Sep 92 23:14:20 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee


	the Radier game was a late game here in Milwaukee, so
	if anyone in that area, could PLEASE send me email with
	the COMPLETE box score, I would really appreciate that.
	So, if anyone could get me that, thanks! asap, too. :)

	Mark
	GO VIKINGS!
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From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: Bruce.
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:49:29 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <Bu8GBH.Hov@acsu.buffalo.edu> v077mdph@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Snoopy) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.195415.14012@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, lavelle@aardvark.lerc.
>nasa.gov writes...
>> 
>>Whoa, time out.  Would not measure the Bills by how they play against
>>the 49ers?  Granted they have slipped since the late 80's but not by that
>>much.  I think sunday you will see how far the bills still have to go
>>to match up with one of the better NFC teams.  Have you forgatten
>>already what the Skins did in the Super Bowl?
>
>They have slipped quite a bit.  They are no longer a playoff team.  They
>have to prove their worth, just like every other team in the league, including
>the Bills.
>	We will certainly see how well the teams match up on Sunday.  San
>Francisco does have homefield advantage, but to be really good, you have
>to win on the road.

I think you mean this Sunday, San Francisco has the homefield disadvantage.
I would rather see the 49ers play in Buffalo. They seem to win more on the
road. 


>	I have not forgotten what happened in the Super Bowl.  I also flatly
>deny this "NFC is superior" bullshit and challenge anyone to offer a single
>cogent argument in favor of it.
>

I agree with your comment that the conferences aren't that much different.
Still, I think the team with the best defense will win this coming Sunday.
I hope it is the 49ers and would love to see Harris get 2-3 sacks again
this week.


Hope for week 2 (not prediction, just hope)

49ers win
Saints lose
Falcons lose
Rams lose



I will let the NFC East fans predict that all their teams will win. Personally,
I would rather my team run away with the division championship, than have
a 4 way tie going into the last week. :)

Tom Wolf
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From: tokuno@milton.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno)
Subject: Re: Who's got the toughest schedule?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:30:52 GMT

(Various arguments about who has the toughest schedule deleted.)

>Here's a posting by Gidi from a few months back.
>  
>                     sum of the 1991 records
>    team (1991 record)    for the team's 1992 opponents
>1:  Dallas (11-5)           146-110 (0.570)
>2:  Philadelphia (10-6)     145-111 (0.566)
>3:  Washington (14-2)       145-111 (0.566)
>4:  NY Giants (8-8)         144-112 (0.562)
>5:  Denver (12-4)           141-115 (0.551)
>6:  Kansas City (10-6)      139-117 (0.543)
>7:  LA Raiders (9-7)        139-117 (0.543)
>8:  Seattle (7-9)           137-119 (0.535)
>9:  New Orleans (11-5)      135-121 (0.527)
>10: LA Rams (3-13)          135-121 (0.527)
>11: Phoenix (4-12)          131-125 (0.512)
>12: Atlanta (10-6)          130-126 (0.508)
>13: San Francisco (10-6)    128-128 (0.500)
>14: Green Bay (4-12)        126-130 (0.492)
>15: Detroit (12-4)          125-131 (0.488)
(Rest of list deleted.)

>The top four teams are from NFC East and next four are from AFC West. The 
>reason for this is that both divisions are scheduled to play against each 
>other this year. Excluding intradivision play (10-10 for five-team 
>divisions), last year's record for NFC East was 37-23, and for AFC West was 
>32-28. IMO, NFC East teams have the toughest schedule because they have to 
>play each other. AFC West have the next toughest schedule because they have 
>to play NFC East. The records indicates that this is the case. Notice that of 
>last year's playoff teams, Houston and Buffalo have the easiest schedules, 
>and that, excluding AFC West, every team from #1 to #16 are from NFC!


Any argument about who has the toughest schedule makes no sense if it
based on the records from the previous year unless every team is exactly
as good (or as bad) as it was that previous year.  A lot of the football
magazines make a big deal of the strength of schedule business and some of
the networks do it too, but it's all a sham.  Example:  Last year any team
who had to play Denver, New England, and the Jets would have seemed to have
had any easy schedule based on those teams records in 1990, but the
Broncos and Jets made the play-offs and the Patriots were much better than
anyone expected them to be.   

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From: brian@intercon.com (Brian Lichorowic)
Subject: Colts cut Herrmann !!
Reply-To: brian@intercon.com (Brian Lichorowic)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:46:14 GMT

Anyone know why ????

Brian Lichorowic
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