HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos)
Subject: Re: The "receipt" from NeXTmail
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:57:11 GMT

In article <2050@ltb.ltb.bso.nl> wierda@ltb.ltb.bso.nl (Gerben Wierda) writes:
>As I recall, under 2.1 the NeXTmailer just looks for "NeXTmail 1.63RR"
>somewhere in the header and decides upon the RR (return receipt) that it has
>to return an acknowledge.

It seems to me that it would have been cleaner if NeXT had just inserted 
another header line, rather than mucking about with a comment.

>I have seen "Return-Receipt-To: name@address" also. That seems a logical
>extension to the mail protocol. Is NeXTmail under 3.0 doing this, or doing the
>old thing (backward compatibel) or doing both? Looks handy to have that
>working for other mailprogramns too.

Gack!  This RR thing is such a kludge!  I'd had to see it propagated
to other mail UAs.  Much better to use another header line and attempt
to get consensus on that.  

"Return-Receipt-To:" is a different matter.  "Return-Receipt-To:" is a
non-standard extension to RFC-822 which is implemented by the sendmail
MTA.  It causes a message to be returned when the message is
*received* by the host and dropped into a user's mailbox.

The intent of the NeXT "RR" feature is to return a message when the
user actually *reads* the message.

Neither of these mechanisms can be depended on in the general case; if
a host your are sending mail to doesn't use sendmail, it won't do
anything with the Return-Receipt-To: header line.  If the user your
are sending a mail message to doesn't use the NeXT Mail.app program to
read his message, then no return recept will be returned when the
message is read.  For instance, I use MH rather than NeXT's Mail.app
to read mail on my NeXT.

Also, some have found it rude to have their mail UA return an
acknowledgement automatically when a message is read, and have patched
their Mail.app to inhibit this behavior.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: tim@research.canon.oz.au (Tim Morris-Yates)
Subject: Configuration Management
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:53:47 GMT


I have been given the task of investigating configuration management tools with  
a view to obtaining an off-the-shelf system.  I'm looking for info on any  
available CM tools:
    - must run on Sun and/or NeXT
    - ideally has a graphical and a command line interface (if, for example,
      we get a tool which runs on Sun, NeXT users need to be able to log in
      to the Sun in a shell window and use the tool)
    - really need a configuration management tool, version control is not
      sufficient

--
Paul Chisholm                                | paulc@research.canon.oz.au 
Canon Information Systems Research Australia | Phone +61-2-805-2930 
PO Box 313 NORTH RYDE NSW 2113               | Fax   +61-2-805-2929
From: aozer@next.com (Ali Ozer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga graphics => NeXT format
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:34:06 GMT
Organization: Next Computer, Inc.

In article <memo.616814@cix.compulink.co.uk> hallan@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
> ... there is an IFF converter available from
>Purdue, named something like iff2tiff, or something like that.
>Tpying this on the 486PC so I'm Digital Librarian-less. <*I WANT MY
>NeXTStep 486i, *WHINE* *> Even handles 24 Bit ASDGs if I remember.

A sanitized and more feature-free version of iff2tiff can be found in the 3.0
/NextDeveloper/Examples/ImageFilter directory. Just "make install" it, and
ta-da, you can import .iff files into most 3.0 apps and perhaps even a few
2.x apps.

Ali, Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: todd@liveware.com
Subject: Flipper and GifViewer2
Keywords: Already Out There Gif EPS NOT
Reply-To: todd@liveware.com
Organization: Liveware Corporation   Fort Collins, CO.  USA.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:01:41 GMT

In article <92253.162558MKK2@psuvm.psu.edu> <MKK2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> Last week someone posted a request for a program that would display a
> sequence of images in quick succession to achieve an animation effect.
> The problem tickled my fancy, so I build a simple App to do just that.
> 
> It is very small, so I put a copy of the source and IB files on
> sonata.cc.purdue.edu in the /pub/next/submissions directory.
> 
>  There are probably already other similar Apps around.  This was a self
> education project for me.
> 
GifViewer2 does pseudo animation.  Take a look in the
archives for it.  I don't have the exact location, but
sonata.cc.purdue.edu and cs.orst.edu are a good place to start.

Todd
From: cbaur@blabel.sta.sub.org (Christian Baur)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: automatic powerOn
Date: 12 Sep 92 20:33:02 GMT
Organization: Home of BlackLabel

yoda@next2.cis.uni-muenchen.de (Marc Guenther) writes:

>has anyone figured out how to set the automatic poweron time
>from the unix commandline ? I want my next to automatically
>startup every day at 8am and i dont want to go through
>Preferences all the time...

Check ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de for /pub/next/Tools/misc/power.tar.Z. With
that set of scripts/programs you can set the power-on time each day.

cb

-- 
Christian Baur,Muenchen-Germany                You can't sink a RAINBOW,
cbaur@informatik.uni-muenchen.de(NeXTmail)   but you can sink the EARTH.
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: vrr@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (veenu.r.rashid)
Subject: HELP!  Starting X on the NeXT
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 20:52:37 GMT


HELP!  I downloaded the X stuff from cunixf.cc.columbia.edu.  This
is the XNext-Release2.0.tar.Z stuff.  There is no 'xinit' command.

When I start the X (by su'ing to root and manually issuing the
command from Terminal) I get a blank X screen with a pointer which
just sits there.  What do I need to do in order to setup the initial
apps (a couple xterms, xclock, etc.)?  Has anyone done this before?
What is your setup like?


Please email to vrr@cbnewsj.att.com


Thanks,
Veenu


BTW:  Urgent - please hurry!  Thanks :)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: waltrip@capd.jhuapl.edu
Subject: Re: NT: please define vapor.
Organization: CAPVAX, JHU/APL
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:18:12 GMT

In article <jbone.716138789@splat>, jbone@splat.dell.com (Jeff Bone) writes:
> I hate to engage *again*, but...

	No, no, Jeff, it was my fault...

> 
> waltrip@capd.jhuapl.edu writes:
>>
>>	And, of course, we should note, Steve, that porting NeXTSTEP to NT
>>	would permit it to run on the DEC ALPHA 8^)
>>
> 
> Okay, goal:  get NeXTStep on Alpha.

	...but that's not quite what I had in mind.  Porting to NT will get
	you on whatever platform happens to be running on NT.  One of those
	happens to be ALPHA which I mentioned since Steve was from DEC.
	Others would be MIPS and Intel.  You'd have one hell of a server
	with the parallel processing box from Sequent that runs NT.  So my
	point has really been that you wouldn't have to port Mach to ALPHA
	and then to MIPS and then to ...  Instead, one port to NT and the
	rest are free.  Well, almost (you need to port the compiler/linker
	and debugger if it hasn't already been done).

	But I concede your point (again) that it'd be a lot of work to make
	that initial port to NT.

> In fact, there is *nothing* that NeXT can gain by porting to NT that
> can't be gained cheaper/faster/better by remaining with their own
> kernel architecture, *EXCEPT* the supposed market advantage of being
> able to say they're on NT.  Repeat:  the *only* reason to port NeXTStep
> to NT is to *be* on NT.

	And I believe we're in complete agreement here.  We just take a
	different view on the probable market impact of NT.  And it's
	that market impact that determines whether or not it would be
	smart for NeXT to port to NT.  And that determines whether there's
	likely to be a NeXTSTEP box on my office desktop (black would look
	great 8^}

	And, oh BTW, I'd personally find a black-portable-NeXTSTEP-Dell-mono-
	32meg-box with built-in Ethernet for docking at home mighty hard to 
	resist...with or without NT.  I might even volunteer to travel.

Opinions expressed are my own.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst)
Subject: NS3.0 Update contents
Reply-To: brunkhorst@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:07:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.160640.20659@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>  
ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson) writes:
> What is contained in the 3.0 upgrade, specifically what dimensions
> are there.  What manuals are there, boxes etc.

Kit N5530 (upgrade for any system ordered after January 22) contains

in 1 box (8.5" by 10.25" by 1.5") to hold it all:
	NeXTSTEP RELEASE 3 Version 3 (with serial number) containing:
		a CD-ROM TOOLS Floppy diskette
		3.0 on CD-ROM containing:
			Bootable media
			3.0 installation kits
		Registration Card (with serial number on it)
		Labels for mailing to non-US location
		NeXTSTEP License agreement
	Manuals (2)
		Release Notes
		Upgrading to NeXTSTEP RELEASE 3
		(other manuals are on the CD in electronic format)
	(all printed matter is in 6 languages, on recycled paper,
	1 Cover Sheet 
	1 Advertisement/Subscriptioncard for NeXTworld
	cardboard filler to hold media kit in place.

I am still waiting for my N5527 and N5531 kits, so I can't tell you
exactly what is in those.

-geoff
---------------------------------------------------------------
Geoffrey Brunkhorst, RCF                    brunkhorst@Mayo.edu
Guggenheim 10                                    (507) 284-1805
Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN, 55905 USA     fax (507) 284-5231 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: johnk@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (John J Kuszewski)
Subject: brick?
Summary: status?
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:45:28 GMT

What's the deal with the NRW?  My site doesn't get c.s.n.advocacy.


-- 
John Kuszewski
johnk@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
I'm not an idiot, but I play one on USENET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: danno@css.itd.umich.edu (Daniel T. Pritts)
Subject: Re: Mail.app
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 06:28:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.183156.1684@nntp.uoregon.edu>  
cdelay@inferno.uoregon.edu (Christian De Lay) writes:
> Can anyone tell me if there's a way to keep the console mail  
program from  
> grabbing mail into the user's local directory from /usr/spool/mail?   
It's  
> getting annoying when users log in on console but then can't read  
mail from  
> remote since the mail file has been moved.

I know of no way to stop NeXTMail from grabbing the mail into its own  
directories, however if you do a 
 mail -f ~/Mailboxes/Active.mbox/mbox
you can get at your next mail mbox.  Be careful deleting messages  
though; nextmail can get confused if you do things behind its back.   
If it does get confused, try deleting the "table_of_contents" file  
from the Active.mbox directory.  

This method of course works for other mailboxes you may have defined.
--
dan pritts                     computer systems consultant
university of michigan itd consulting and support services
dan.pritts@umich.edu   (nextmail accepted)    313/998-6265
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: lars@gsblas.uchicago.edu (Lars Andreas Stole)
Subject: MindOverMail and NeXTSTEP 3.0
Reply-To: lars@gsblas.uchicago.edu (Lars Andreas Stole)
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:45:02 GMT

I just got NEXTSTEP 3.0 up and running, but I've already noticed one  
peculiar incompatibility with an existing program.  Whenever I have  
MindOverMail running (btw, this is a great address/phone book program), it  
takes control of the floppy disk so that I can't eject or initialize a  
floppy disk without first quitting MoM.  Any ideas as to the cause and,  
more importantly, the fix?  Thanks in advance.



--
Lars A. Stole 
University of Chicago, GSB 
(312) 702-7309  
lars@gsblas.uchicago.EDU (NeXTMail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: asm@eecg.toronto.edu (Anees Munshi)
Subject: Re: Transparencies in 400 dpi NeXT Laser Printer?
Distribution: usa
Date: 12 Sep 92 23:32:18 GMT


I've used 3M's CG3300 transparencies without any problems.
Others may also work, and possibly work better. The one artifact
of this combination is the presence of pin-holes in solid black
areas. Although you can see them if you hold the transparency
up to light, they do not show up on overhead images (because of
the low-resolution of overhead display units).

--
	Anees Munshi, asm@eecg.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: rob@hobbes.cuc.ab.CA (Rob Parkhill)
Subject: Indexes!
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 06:07:33 GMT

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From: perkins@cps.msu.edu (Stephen Perkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Full address of BFJ
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:07:21 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Originator: perkins@indian.cps.msu.edu

I'm in the process if filing a complaint to the Better Business Bureau
agains BFJ Enterprises.  The form requires the full address of the
company.  I only have their 1-800 number.  Anybody know the full
address?

Any help sincerely appreciated!

- Steve



-- 
====================================================================
Stephen Perkins                    |
Department of Computer Science     | perkins@cps.msu.edu
Michigan State University          |
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Volume Levels set in Preferences (3.0 question)
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:17:55 GMT
Reply-To: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: moica.berkeley.edu

In article <5171@news.duke.edu> dblakele@hercules.acpub.duke.edu writes:

>Anyway, we noticed fairly quickly that with the Preferences in NS2.1
>the volume settings are not individualized to the different users.
>We both have loginhook sounds which are rather fun, but alas, Denise
>developed serious AcChen addiction.  Thus, the problem.  I turn up the
>volume to hear my system beeps, loginhooks and logouthooks.  When she
>logs in to play AcChen and it screams "*WELCOME*" she turns around and
>yells back at me for fiddling with the volume control.

I believe the volume level settings work fine on 2.1 but AFTER you are
logged in.  The problem is probably that you are playing sound via
*loginHook* script which is executed as root, not as the user who
is loggin in.  Perhaps, it might be possible to set the loginHook
sound play level via setting in the *root*'s Prefereces.

--
Izumi Ohzawa             [ $BBg_78^=;(J ]
USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720
Telephone: (510) 642-6440     Fax:  (510) 642-3323
Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXT Mail OK)
From: cafe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.dib)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NT: please define vapor.
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:11:39 GMT
Organization: AT&T

There is no doubt that NeXTStep is a lot better than NT.  That does not
mean that NeXTStep is going to sell more than NT.  First, NT is cheaper.
If you buy the pre-release for $69.00 you get a free upgrade.  Second,
NT will be running in more platforms than NeXTStep (in the near future).  
Third, NT has the applications that NeXTStep still does not have.

I might buy NeXTStep for my PC depending on the price.  I already bought NT
(for $69.00 how couldn't I?), and it does not seem VAPOR-WARE to me.  
I know more than 30 people at work that already bought NT.  I only know
two people that use NeXT at work.

Can I get a pre-release of NeXTStep?  Does not seem like?

Just my opinions.

Richard Dib
AT&T BL

P.S. Don't get me wrong! I have a NeXT Cube in my office and I use it every day.
I like NeXTStep a lot.  It is just that I don't think that it is going to sell 
as well as NT.
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: ZyXEL 1496 modem
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:40:34 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <1992Sep10.180022.20644@socrates.umd.edu>  
fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) writes:
> Does anyone know where I can find a ZyXEL 1496 modem at a good (read:  
low 
> as possible) price?
> 
> Thanks in advance for the info.
> 

Send email to Steve Pershing, sp@questor.wimsey.bc.ca

-Anthony
From: rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NS 3.0 Printer Support?
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:42:35 GMT
Reply-To: rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <dillon.0nij@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US  
(Matthew Dillon) writes:
>>In article <BuBI7x.DJ7.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)  
writes:
>>>
>>>So, what printers are supported under NS 3.0?
>>>
>>>Still waiting for 3.0,
>>>anwar
>>
>>    An ls of /NextLibrary/PrinterTypes/English.lproj is enclosed below.
>>    I was also able to get the PD HP DeskJet 500 driver working under
>>    3.0 (since I have a DeskJet) though it took a bit of hacking on the
>>    sources and munging of the printer manager.
>>
>>					    -Matt
>>
>>>--
>>>Anwar Mohammed 	       FREE	  Graduate Student
>>>anwar+@cs.cmu.edu		THE	  School of Computer Science
>>>Voice: +1 412 268 3043     KUWAITI	  Carnegie-Mellon University
>>>Fax:	+1 412 681 5739        POWS	  Pittsburgh, PA  15213-3890
>>
>>--
>>
>>    Matthew Dillon	    dillon@Overload.Berkeley.CA.US
>>    891 Regal Rd.	    uunet.uu.net!overload!dillon
>>    Berkeley, Ca. 94708     ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop)
>>    USA 		    Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000
>>
>>
[bunch of printers deleted]
>>HP_DeskJet_500C.ppd
[bunch of printers deleted]

OK.  This is good news but...
If I have a mono station and I want to print in color, what do I need to do ?

--
Ronald Pomeroy			[Objective-Cruntime: [SmallTalk runtime]];
Advanced Micro Devices		[self dream-on];
CAM Applications Group
rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com
From: rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NS 3.0 Printer Support?
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:57:36 GMT
Reply-To: rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

Thanks to everyone for such quick response.  I'm now the proud recipient
of VirtSpace and WideScreen.

Later
--
Ronald Pomeroy
Advanced Micro Devices
CAM/EIS Applications Group
Austin, Texas
rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:06:04 -0400 
From: "Joseph A. Hollowood" <jh6l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: snd -> Sun?

Where can I get my hands on a program
that will convert NeXT .snd files to
a format that Sun SparcStations can
read / play?

Please email replies to me directly.

Joe
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy))
Subject: Re: Stability of Next as a company
In-reply-to: peter@piassun1's message of Sun, 6 Sep 92 16:10:44 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA
	<1992Sep6.161044.3617@news.tu-graz.ac.at>
Date: 7 Sep 92 06:10:09 GMT

With the current DM/OS/USD ratios NeXTs in Europe should be outright
bargains.  Something is wrong if prices don't fall together with the 
Dollar! (Isn't that the purpose of keeping the dollar low? ).

--
Hardy 
-----
Meinhard E. Mayer,  Department of Physics, UC Irvine 
e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET
From: bain0002@bullnext.mc.duke.edu (Landen Bain)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: 35mm slides from Concurrence
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:30:13 GMT

I am looking for a service bureau which can take Concurrence files over  
the net (NeXT mail preferred) and produce 35mm slides.  If you have any  
suggestions, please e-mail me.  Naturally, I'm in a hurry.

Landen Bain

BAIN0002@BULLNEXT.MC.DUKE.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin)
Subject: Re: NT: please define vapor.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 03:14:43 GMT

In article <2052@ltb.ltb.bso.nl> wierda@ltb.ltb.bso.nl (Gerben Wierda) writes:
  <<stuff deleted>>
>I don't see a NT yet, let alone one that has applications. What I did see was
>the alpha release of some hidden kernel and services and the windows program
>manager and a DOS emulation on top. Plus some small debugging apps like memory
>scanners. The latter made me very cautious about the availability of NT. If
>they need those, they won't get it out in a very usable form before end 93.

You didnt see the demonstrations on the 16-processor Sequent(?) box.  The
kernel looks to be in reasonable shape to be ported to the number of MP
boxes that its currently running on and survive the number of demos that
have been given.

>The fact that I can run DOS or windows3.1 (which is DOS also) under NT doesn't
>make those apps NT apps. I can run those under SOftPC on a Sun, a Mac, etc.
>and of course a NeXT.

The Windows NT API is derived almost directly from the 16-bit Windows
interface.  Porting will go quickly relative to something like a Mac->OpenLook
port, and you can be sure that all major developers are working on ports
that will run on Intel based boxes.

>The issue here is: What can I do with NT now? Mainly use DOS. And develop (but
>not as smooth as on a NeXT). This is the smartest thing I have seen so far in
>the software industry: sell a system for $69 that is not complete and create a
>"market" in figures just because of that. NeXT should sell NS/486 licenses for
>$10 and let people pay for "media" when the stuff is shipped.
>
>I really admire the sales department of Microsoft.

I think they finally woke up after seeing no small developer support for
OS/2 when they were charging $3,000 for the development kit.  Everyone in
the NeXT market knows that there are some really cool applications coming
from very small companies, and if they had to pay enormous fees for development
tools on top of an expensive machine (remember, $100 386 motherboards werent
the rule when OS/2 came out) they would simply develop for some other platform.
I fear NeXT charging another $1,500 for development tools on NS486.  This
WILL reduce the number of small startups on the NeXT, who will take the
few dollars they had for a 486 box in the first place and get the Windows NT
kit and target what will probably be a larger market.

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Waiting VERY impatiently to buy a NRW,  -Steve
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