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From: jasonk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Jason Peter Korb)
Subject: Re: Death In June
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:50:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.042310.29878@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> wxs@po.CWRU.Edu (W.charles Simciak) writes:
>
>
>I recently picked up a CD from this band about a year ago.  Though the
>lyrics and composition are simple, they are nevertheless very effective.
>In particular the lyrics.  I originally heard of this band off of a
>compilation called "Sacred War" containing works of those artists
>affiliated with Satan whorship.  Could anyone foward more info concerning
>this band or Satan whorship (in general, book titles woudl be good) to me.
>
>thanx
>
>-- 
>   Chuck Simciak    ! "Punctuation is a loin cloth, covering
>  wxs@po.CWRU.edu   !    the private parts of literature."
>   WRUW 91.1 FM     !                            -Picasso


...death in june...ahhh...now there's a band...i have two albums by this man (the band is basically one man with contributions from the likes of current/christ 93 and boyd rice (non))...there's a good article in (i think) the fall/winter issue of PROPAGANDA...a little info about 'em...DiJ are part of the same bastard family that includes sol invictus and current93, and are possibly touring this year.  if you can, get ahold of "nada" and "the guilty have no pride"...as for the satanic influences, i'll give



 
you a lyric sample (from "leper lord", off of the "nada" LP) and let you decide...
"there we stood
at the edge of the world
snatching the sun from the sky
o leper lord
my leper lord
make the angels cry
black clouds melt 
as eagles soar
tearing to bits the lie
o leper lord
my leper lord
make the angels cry..."

...fare thee well...

		^*^ satori
From: mwcebela@vela.acs.oakland.edu (mwcebela)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Peter Murphy's new album
Summary: it is true
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:57:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: vela.14635
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.

yes there is new Pete on the way. I have heard an advance of the cassette
already and must say it is not bad. I still find it hard to believe that this
is the same guy who growled and screamed in Bauhaus. 
  A good "pete" question... why in the world are his albums so relatively
calm in comparison to his live shows???? When i saw him during the deep tour
i was so impressed by the music but when i listen to the disc it's just not
'the same... what's the deal???

peace 
the hockey god(mwcebela@oak.oakland.edu)
From: ajs90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Suter AJ)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Goth clubs in The south of England.
Keywords: goth sunglasses drug abuse underage drinking embarrasment sex drugs snogging vomiting posing
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:59:49 GMT


 I noticed a message concernig goth clubs in the North of Europe , so I suppose that Southampton being on the South
Coast of England qualifies , just about.

There are a few clubs in Southampton which are as follows.

The Attic - Friday - Top Room of the Queen Vic pub, Northam Road, St Mary's Southampton
		- Goth , Industrial. 

Sindrome - Thursday , But Soon on a Saturday - As above.
		- Goth , Thrash , industrial , some indie if you ask the DJ nicely

Marshalls - Wednesday - Marshalls, St'marys road ,St'marys S'oton
		- Rock , thrash , industrial ( I think. Is just started so I haven't been there yet.)

Thursdays - Monday - Thursdays Niteclub (I dont know the address ,just turn left by the big chunk of medaevil
masonry known as the BarGate and you 're there)

		- Indie , some techno crap , Industrial , goth ( if there's an R in the month )
		( This place has just re-opened. It's a complete meat market and all the goths turned up.)

Pubs - ( to go before you go to the above )

- The Dorchester - Full of student wankers. Avoid it . - Bevois Vally road S'outhampton. 
- The Crown and scepter - Full of crusties. Good Beer. - Bevois Vally road s'oton.
- The Angel - Local Indie pub . Full of underage drinkers. Oppisote Boogies - Near city centre.
- Boogies - Local Metal pub . Full of blonde perms. opposite The Angel.

If the travellerwishes to go further afieldthen I can reccommend the following places a few(50) miles up the road.

The Agincourt - London Road ( A30) just up from blackwater , Junction 4 M3.
	-Saturday night. Full of sixth formers. Musics mainstream indie , best snakebite and black in the south of
england.
	- friday night same peaple , mainstream rock.

King's Arms - Further down from the agincourt towards Camberley. Local indie pub.

The TumbleDown Dick - Farnborough's premier indie pub. Mega City Fours local.

I hope this enlightens every one.

"this is what you want...This is what you get."PIL 'The march of death'
From: dsj@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel Scott Janecek)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Goth-neophyte-idiotic-question list
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:20:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Apr15.222017.26267
Distribution: alt
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee


>
>Ok, so what's the next step?  More Sisters or Sisters-like stuff would be
>great...  Nephilim?  Or another Sisters album?

	Certainly  get First, Last & Always. Try some early Cassandra
Complex (theomania), Velvet Underground (w/ Nico), March Violets (w/
Simon), many more..


>More Joy Division-like stuff would be great too.  The Bauhaus maybe?


	Try Siglio XX (although not anywhere as good as Joy Division),
In The Nursery (if you like JD's Ceremony & Atmosphere- very
atmospheric, ambient soundscapes), Death In June, Sol Invictus, Sixth
Comm, Radio Werewolf, Early New Order (obviously), Lemon Kittens
(careful with this band, you never know what he is thinking:), etc.


				dan j.
From: ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Death In June
Date: 10 Apr 92 08:03:32 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

correct. there is _NO_ signifigance to the name. douglas misheard something
patrick said whilst recording the first ep and they all went' that's it!'
and thus another name that _ought_ to mean something, in fact means zilch.:-)


-- 
ieya@byron.u.washington.edu||  'agony is born of desire, that's what you get
rise and reverberate       ||		for wanting...'
mail me for a Sisters of   ||			'wanting' MOEV
Mercy discography,FAQ,etc..||
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: eigenstr@nyssa.cs.rose-hulman.edu (Todd R. Eigenschink)
Subject: Re: Sisters of Mercy
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
	<1992Apr16.154434.16954@newcastle.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:48:22 GMT

>  The date given for release of the compilation album "Some Girls
>Wander By Mistake" is Apr.27. One paper gives the number of tracks as
>19, though I seem to remember an earlier press release saying the
>album would feature the best of 19 pre-WEA tracks. A friend in the
>Sisters fan club said the stuff like "Damage Done" was being redubbed.

Speaking of the fan club...is there some trick to getting them to
respond?  How long do they sit before they respond to mail?  (I've
tried...)

--
Todd Eigenschink (eigenstr@CS.Rose-Hulman.Edu)
Assistant System Manager, News Administrator
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology, Terre Haute, IN
"G++ is to C++ as Turbo Pascal is to Pascal--it's a great compiler,
 but for a language other than C++."  -- Fred Sullivan
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing)
Subject: Re: The Cure are Goth.
Keywords: subscriptions
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:47:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.183216.3034@mcs.anl.gov> sasso@flounder.phy.anl.gov (John F. Sasso) writes:
>Excuse me for being vague, but what I meant to say was:
>
>Who is this Corey that he is appointed God-of-Goth's?  (If he is.)
>Does this group rigidly follow this GothList as a rule?
>
>duh ;-)

god-of-goths? tee hee :-> i like it. can we hold a vote? oh, wait. you don't
vote for gods. i hereby declare myself god-of-goths! bow down and worship
(and send tribute,SOM boots will do) :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :-> :->


tee hee..

but seriously. no, the list is NOT rigidly followed. it's a guideline. no more
i do it for _me_ and choose to share it. a safe bet is if they're on the list
somebody around here is probably interested in talking about them(stupid
cure flamage aside)

corey

-- 
ieya@byron.u.washington.edu||  'agony is born of desire, that's what you get
rise and reverberate       ||		for wanting...'
mail me for a Sisters of   ||			'wanting' MOEV
Mercy discography,FAQ,etc..||
From: warwick@cs.man.ac.uk (Warwick Heath)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: New Sisters release
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:05:21 GMT
Distribution: alt


I heard the new version of Temple of Love (TOL '92) on the Radio 1
new music show last night. Eldritch's lyric delivery seemed pretty
much the same, however there was some woman wailing all the way
through...

warwick
(sorry if this is old news, I haven't been following this thread...)
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From: emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: The world is a good or bad place ?
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:32:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx2.1992Apr8.133216.700

In article <umage.702686106@mcl>  writes:
 >  >This is the agony of the mundane. This is life. Life is boring and
 >  >tiresome and painful.
 >  
 >  >  Still, it's better than oblivion (I think).
 >  
 >  >I am alive, I am a human, it is my right
 >  >-- 
 >  >| Andrew A. Murdoch                                  andrewmu@castle.ed.ac.uk |
 >  
 >  Hmm. I agree with most of what you said, that life is a lot of pain, but i dunno
 >  about the boring bit.  Certianly compared to the grand things like Love and
 >  dancing it can be dull, but not always.  Sure sometimes i go through the
 >  whole day utterly bored out of my mind, but other times the traffic lights
 >  can be fascinating.  People i find are especially interesting to watch, even
 >  the ones who are living as you say in a dream state.  (I don't deny that i am,
 >  (It would be unreasonable to think that i am not filtering what i sense) but
 >  at least i and you, Andrew are aware of the state of blindness)
 >  
 >  But what really interests me is your last comment that even this is better
 >  than oblivion.  Is it?  I mean is painful existence actually better than
 >  non existence?  I have not decided yet.  Sometimes pain is welcome because it
 >  can convince me that i exist, but isn't that kindof silly?  It seems that if
 >  this life's pain is really unbalanced by its good, i will choose oblivion.
 >  (or soemthing)
 >  
 >  love,
 >  mage

Sorry to keep talking, but I thought I would add something here.  I think the "correct"
attitude to reality would account/trancend for the duality of pleasure/pain.  What this
means is that people wouldn't give up - prefer oblivion/suicide, because the +/- scales
of life matter less.  Again, it does and doesn't.  Maybe a better way of saying it is
that pleasure is found from +/-.. Pleasure in feeling good or bad, pleasure from knowing
that you are alive, pleasure from the intensity (perhaps) of either +,-, or both.

The exception to what I'm hinting at would be someone who has very little + or -.  Someone
not going anywhere..  (I'm not necessarily talking about sum/mean/avg of +/-)  This would
be the only one wanting to not exist.  Someone vastly bored.  Hard to say what happens
in this state exactly..  I imagine that it is possible to adapt & be happy as above.. 
Also, I should mention that someone with a total/mean/avg + has an easy time at this 
philosophy, and people with a total/mean/avg - or 0 have it the worst.  Not sure which is
worse.. being persecuted (-), or sleeping in your bed through life (0).  I've "tried"
both.  Apathy (0) is probably the worst, except -'s would argue differently.

Anyway, that's my 2 bits..  Hope I didn't put anyone to sleep out there..

emiddlec@ancho.gac.edu
From: T.Moore@newcastle.ac.uk (Tony Moore)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Sisters of Mercy
Keywords: Sisters
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:44:34 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

T.Moore@newcastle.ac.uk (Tony Moore) writes:

>  I haven't read this group in a while so sorry if I'm repeating old news. All
>this comes from the music papers Melody Maker and NME which came out today.

>  The "Temple of Love 1992" comes out Apr.13 (this has been said before I
>know). I actually heard this at a club on Monday night and it doesn't sound too
>different , apart from the input from Ofra Haza (this is NOT a joke!). One
>music paper even claims the single has the subtitle "Touched By The Hand Of
>Ofra Haza" ! (This MAY be a joke). All formats include remixes of "Vision
>Thing" tracks.

>  The date given for release of the compilation album "Some Girls Wander By
>Mistake" is Apr.27. One paper gives the number of tracks as 19, though I seem
>to remember an earlier press release saying the album would feature the best of
>19 pre-WEA tracks. A friend in the Sisters fan club said the stuff like "Damage
>Done" was being redubbed.

>  Melody Maker also had a pic of Eldritch with an unfortunately short haircut
>and an interview with Wayne Hussey, talking about the Mission's new dance
>direction.

>                                Tony

  The new NME has an interview with von Eldritch, in which he slags off some of
the tracks on the forthcoming compilation and mentions how pleased he is with
his new Merc.

  And thanks to the person who posted the news that 'Temple of Love' is now
coming out on the 20th. That's stopped the worrying from not being able to find
it anywhere.

                                Tony
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: modester@IASTATE.EDU (Matthew R Hodges)
Subject: The Cure (mailing lists)
Keywords: subscriptions
Reply-To: modester@IASTATE.EDU (Matthew R Hodges)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:36:23 GMT



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From: t89par@tdb.uu.se (Par Svensson)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: New Sisters release
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:27:35 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.

eigenstr@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu (Todd R. Eigenschink) writes:
: OK...so call me stupid.  I was under the impression that the new
: Sisters album was going to be released today (April 13)...but nobody
: around here has heard of it.  Was I suckered into believing that that
: was the U.S. release date, and it's actually for somewhere else?
: 
: Talk about disappointments...I've been waiting too long for it
: already... :)
  : 

At least the Swedish release date for 'Temple Of Love' is changed to
the 22nd.
From: emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: The world is a good or bad place ?
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:21:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx2.1992Apr8.132104.699

In article <umage.702592983@mcl>  writes:
 >  
 >   am curious in the opinions of this group;
 >  
 >  One can see from the title what my question is, so i will rephrase it thus:
 >  Is the generall person better off living here on Planet Earth, or never
 >  being born ?
 >  	i assert that most people would be happier in nonexistence.
 >  Yes, there are exceptions, i don't ignore the people who are really happy
 >  and find true love and thrive and all that; but it seems their numbers are
 >  so few that thr probability of being one of them is really small, so i am kindof
 >  stuck weighing the slight chance of happiness against the rest of this place,
 >  			i'm torn.
 >  
 >  if you have time, i'm curious in your ideas.
 >  mage

Is this a productive question?  I'm not sure, either way.

Suppose that the majority would rather NOT exist.  What prevents mass suicide?  Or is THAT
what IS happening now?  (Slow, apathetic world suicide.)

Personally, I think people WANT the world to be a good place, therefore it can and could be.
Okay, maybe it isn't now.. but is it impossible?  Even with everyone striving to make it so
would it still remain impossible?  Hard to say.  I think it would turn out "good."

So..  The world is and isn't good.  It could be, but isn't.  Something prevents us from 
striving for the ideal..  Is what prevents us the inherent nature of reality?  I don't think
so..  We need to adapt to it more successfully, and some of it will even change. (crime)
But I don't think the rest (disasters) has to prevent us from a "good" world.  

My answer:  yes, and no.
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: bootlegs sold
From: mertes@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 5 Apr 92 22:40:29 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University
Summary: all gone

regarding the bootlegs of sisters they are sold sorry for those who 
did not get, in but hey, maybe next time. Anyone looking for "GIFT" on 
LP I saw quite a few copies of that around here.... anyway see ya all next
time..... 



jammin
Xref: sparky alt.gothic:1191 alt.music.alternative:3369
From: ccsw@bristol.ac.uk) (Steff *8)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic,alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: xymox (clan of) discography
Keywords: send it to me, xymox
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:02:06 GMT
Organization: University of Bristol, England

In article <w29trb#@rpi.edu> fracer@aix.rpi.edu (Roger Charles Frace) writes:
>hello,
>rather recently someone posted a xymox discography and other
>related projects.
>could someone please repost it or, even better, mail it
>to me?

Could someone also post it to me? I'm trying to find out if I missed anything!

Steff.Watkins@bristol.ac.uk
From: terry@rod.mitre.org (Terry Reed)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Swans Tour?
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:32:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr6.163209.8220
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

In article <1992Apr2.134922.10544@tdb.uu.se>, t89par@tdb.uu.se (Par Svensson) writes:
> Anybody got any news on any upcoming Swans tour ?

The Swans are playing at the 9:30 club in Wash, D.C. on Sat 4/11 with Machines
of Loving Grace.  Check rec.music.industrial, I seem to recall some other dates
being posted there. 

         Terry

P.S.  This is not to be interpreted as a claim that the Swans are "industrial" or 
"gothic".  IMHO, they are neither.
From: egras@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Peter Murphy's new album
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:24:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.151433.14631@eff.org>, peterco@eff.org (Peter A. Cohen) writes:
> There seem to be two kinds of Peter Murphy fans- the ones who desperately
> long for the old Bauhaus/Dali's Car days, and the ones who like his more
> upbeat material.  If you're the latter, you'll enjoy his new album
> immensely.



	There's also the fans who like both.  I am definitly among those.  I
can handle the fact that Peter Murphy didn't stagnate.  He moved on instead of
recycling the old Bauhaus material.  There's nothing worse for an artist than
to run out of ways to express himself.

					Later,

					Brian Egras
From: wxs@po.CWRU.Edu (W.charles Simciak)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Death In June
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:23:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr7.042310.29878
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)



I recently picked up a CD from this band about a year ago.  Though the
lyrics and composition are simple, they are nevertheless very effective.
In particular the lyrics.  I originally heard of this band off of a
compilation called "Sacred War" containing works of those artists
affiliated with Satan whorship.  Could anyone foward more info concerning
this band or Satan whorship (in general, book titles woudl be good) to me.

thanx

-- 
   Chuck Simciak    ! "Punctuation is a loin cloth, covering
  wxs@po.CWRU.edu   !    the private parts of literature."
   WRUW 91.1 FM     !                            -Picasso
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: thomas@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Thomas Jelonek)
Subject: Re: The world is a good or bad place ?
Originator: thomas@Olympus.McRCIM.McGill.EDU
Keywords: morality life chaos love cat
Organization: McGill Research Center for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 07:19:21 GMT


In article <umage.702592983@mcl>, umage@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Morticia Lungbark) writes:
|> 
|>  am curious in the opinions of this group;
|> 
|> One can see from the title what my question is, so i will rephrase it thus:
|> Is the generall person better off living here on Planet Earth, or never
|> being born ?
|> 	i assert that most people would be happier in nonexistence.
|> Yes, there are exceptions, i don't ignore the people who are really happy
|> and find true love and thrive and all that; but it seems their numbers are
|> so few that thr probability of being one of them is really small, so i am kindof
|> stuck weighing the slight chance of happiness against the rest of this place,
|> 			i'm torn.
|> 
|> if you have time, i'm curious in your ideas.
|> mage

People are capable of a whole wealth of emotions and feelings, why
do you wish to assign primacy to happiness? In many ways happiness or
contentment can be seen as having a negative influence on other aspects 
of one's state of being. For example, happiness can breed complacency and 
stifle creativity. Furthermore, happiness seems to be such a primitive 
state that it one cannot perceive more subtle and elusive feelings.

Thomas