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From: patrick@psych.toronto.edu (Patrick Keelan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: one-sided trades
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:17:29 GMT
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto

In article <vzhivov.728092228@cunews> vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) writes:
>
>>In article <1993Jan25.205757.18319@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>, shaikh@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (SHAIKH/AMIR/MR) writes...
>>>Bad trades??
>>> 
>>>How about Brett Hull from Calgary to St. Louis for a 2nd round draft pick!!!
>>> 
>
>Hey putz, Brett Hull went to St. Louis (along with Steve Bozek) for
>Rick Wamsley and Rob Ramage. Those two were instrumental in the Flames
>winning the Cup, while Brett Hull will NEVER win one! That's not a bad
>trade in my books.
>
I don't recall Wamsley as doing much more than cheerleading on the
bench for Mike Vernon during that Stanley Cup year.  Anyone have
any stats on that?  As to the value that St. Louis received from 
Hull, judging the trade by whether the Blues win the Cup is
a questionable yardstick.  I think a more useful approach would be
to ask where they'd be without him.  The fact is, he was the
Most Valuable Player in the NHL a couple of years ago with the
Blues.  That's pretty good value from a player in a trade,
regardless of whether the team wins the Cup.  Supposing
Lemieux were traded
to the Ottawa Senators.  Obviously, Mario's magic can extend
only so far so he'd be unlikely to lead them to a Stanley
Cup.  However, he might well make their record respectable.
That would seem to indicate a successful trade on the Senators'
part.  All this is not to suggest that the Flames didn't benefit
from the Hull trade.  Ramage definitely played a key role in
helping them win the Cup.  I think, however, that suggesting
that the Blues somehow lost the trade by getting Hull is 
questionable.
-Pat K.
 U. of Toronto
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From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Last Call for the get-well card...
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: University of Rochester Hockey Science Dept.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:15:13 GMT


In article <21JAN199317084232@pavo.concordia.ca> p_emond@pavo.concordia.ca (PATRICK EMOND) writes:
>------------------MATHIEU SCHNEIDER FOR NORRIS!!!!
>__________________STEPHAN LEBEAU FOR BYNG!!!!
>__________________PATRICK ROY FOR VEZINA!!!!
>__________________LYLE ODELEIN FOR WHATEVER TROPHY THEY GIVE THE GUY 
>                  WHO LEADS THE LEAGUE IN PLUS/MINUS!!!!

Not to comment on your selections for the trophies... (blech, I'm a
Habs fan, but this is sick: Schneider learned all he knows from
Smellios, hack, hack, hackphft -- oops sorry, said I wouldn't comment).

Anyway, the +/- award is, and I quote, the
	Alka Seltzer Plus Plus-Minus Award
Yes, that's not a typo. It's right up there with the
	Dodge Ram Tough Performer of the Year
Perhaps they've stopped the latter -- it used to be related to the
player of the week/month/year (which as you all know is picked by my
friend Greg in Toronto after the media monkeys in NYC tell him who
would be good).

Someone last year (Brian Down?) posted a list of requirements for the
new commisioner. One of them was the ability to presnet awards with
such outrageously stupid names without breaking up. Cost me the job...

George
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From: moser@mccc.edu (sue moser)
Subject: OHL SSM Greyhounds Souvenirs
Organization: The College On The Other Side of U.S. Route 1
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:19:11 GMT

I am looking for a source of Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds souveniers.
I am particularly interested in replica jerseys, pennants, t-shirts.
Does anyone know of a mailing address or phone number of a source
or alternatively can I contact the team?

Thanks,

Sue Moser
Mercer County Community College
Trenton, New Jersey
From: haral@unisol.com (Haral Tsitsivas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Penalty Time
Date: 22 Jan 93 07:49:30 GMT
Organization: UniSolutions Associates

In article <1993Jan19.140532.3076@mtroyal.ab.ca>, caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
|> (Isn't it interesting that the Kings have two of the league's leading 
|> anti-violence crusaders in Bruce McNall and Wayne Gretzky, but yet the Kings
|> still employ the services of two of these top ten goons. Kind of a double
|> standard, isn't it?)

Get off your high horse...  If the league forces the Kings to employ these "goons"
then the Kings will employ them.  What do you expect them to do?  Roll over and
play dead?

FYI, McSorley and Rychel are a lot more than just "goons"...  Look at them play 
sometime.

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From: mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: What's the record? Pens get 3 in 29 seconds!!!
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:09:20 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <93026.202456RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I'm just listening to the hockey game now and the Penguins thanks to goals by
>Murphy, Stevens, and another one by Stevens have just scored 3 goals in just
>29 seconds!!! What is the record with this?  I doubt this is a reord, but it
>may be a team record.
>** Rob **

21 seconds.  Can't remember who, can't remember when, but that number sticks
in my mind.  Unfrotunately, my cornucopia of reference tomes cannot verify
my shaky memory.


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From: shayne@cs.mcgill.ca (Lydia Mancini)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: WHATS WRONG WITH THE HABS
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:57:15 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1993Jan25.150738.28729@fuug.fi> 
an6261@anon.penet.fi (lovegod) writes:
>        What is wrong with the "Habs" or whatever they're called is that 
>they are a garbage team that floats on a string of ancient successes that 
>occured for the most part when there were only 6 teams in the league.
>        As soon as Quebec separates and becomes a northern Mexico, no one 
>will want to play for worthless Quebec money and the team will fold.
>
>HABS SUCK HABS SUCK HABS SUCK HABS SUCK HABS SUCK HABS SUCK HABS SUCK
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Chicken! 

-- Lydia

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From: terry@gtm-inc.com (Terry Gerritsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: OHL Top Scorers
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 19:25:42 EST
Reply-To: terry@gtm-inc.com (Terry Gerritsen)
Distribution: world
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Content-Type: Text

   

                         O H L  Leaders
                     ======================
                       Scoring
                          GP    G    A    PTS    Pim
Andrew Brunette, OS       43   41   69    110     58
Bob Wren, Det             43   40   64    104     70
Pat Peake, Det            33   50   48     98     50
Kevin Brown, Det          43   29   59     88     47
Jim Brown, OS             37   39   46     85     42
Brad Smyth, Ldn           46   43   41     84     95
Mike Harding, Pbo         44   28   56     84     76 
Derik Armstrong, Sby      44   32   51     83     28
Jeff Bes, Gue             37   35   47     82     84 
Jason Allison, Ldn        46   27   53     80     26
Jeff Reid, Nmkt           44   30   48     78     62
Jeff Shevalier, NB        41   38   39     77     22
Rod Hinks, Sby            42   35   42     77     66
J.MacDonald, OS           42   39   37     76    150
Jason Dawe, Pbo           37   36   40     76     56
Scott Hollis, Osh         40   35   38     73    100




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From: d1w2@unb.ca (MOORE C)
Subject: Re: Graybeards and Freakshows to be on ESPN
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:18:39 GMT

In article <Jan25.043354.29231@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) writes:
>From: mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger)
>Subject: Graybeards and Freakshows to be on ESPN
>Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:33:54 GMT
>ESPN will be showing the Legends game and the Skills Competition for the
>All-Star Game live on February 5, starting at 7:30 PM, 9:00 P.M. in New-
>foundland.
>
>
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From: patrick@psych.toronto.edu (Patrick Keelan)
Subject: Re: one-sided trades
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:46:02 GMT

In article <yang-220193101517@comm-mac-ii.acs.ucalgary.ca> yang@acs.ucalgary.ca (David Yang) writes:
>In article <BouJXB1w165w@student.business.uwo.ca>,
>s4lawren@student.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence) wrote:
>> 
>>         Brett Hull to St. Louis for Rick Walmsley and Doug Gilmour
>> 
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm usually am), but I think you have mixed
>two trades together. 
>
>I believe it went: Brett Hull and Steve Bozek for Rick Wamsley and Rob
>Ramage.
>
>And: Doug Gilmour, Mark Hunter and ??? for Mike Bullard and ???? 
>
>Can someone (Alan?) fill in the blanks for me? 
>
>Worst trade for the Flames (at least the Calgary Flames) is the Gilmour
>trade. In retrospect, the Hull trade wasn't a great idea either.
>
The Hull trade definitely was a loser in the long run for the Flames.
However, at the time, getting Ramage was arguably the final piece of
the puzzle that allowed the Flames to win the Cup in '89. So, the
short-term payoff was pretty substantial, and arguably made the trade
worthwhile.
-Pat K. 
 U. of T.

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From: mh24@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Meng Che Hsieh)
Subject: Re: NHL Realignment Proposed
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 28 Jan 93 21:57:11 GMT

kellerjb@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jeffrey Keller) writes:

> ADAMS          PATRICK        NORRIS         SMYTHE
> -------------  -------------  -------------  -------------
> Boston        *Miami          Chicago       *Anaheim 
> Buffalo        New Jersey     Detroit        Calgary
> Hartford       N Y Islanders  Minnesota      Edmonton
> Montreal       N Y Rangers   *Pittsburgh     Los Angeles
> Ottawa         Philadelphia   St. Louis      San Jose
> Quebec        *Tampa Bay     *Winnipeg       Vancouver
>*Toronto        Washington 
-Why not put Miami in the Norris, Anaheim in the Smythe, move Winnipeg to Norris and Toronto in the Adams?
-This would make lots of people happy.  The league would look like this:

  ADAMS          PATRICK        NORRIS         SMYTHE
  Boston         New Jersey     Chicago       *Anaheim
  Buffalo        NY Islanders   Detroit        Calgary
  Hartford       NY Rangers    *Miami          Edmonton
  Montreal       Philadelphia   Minnesota      Los Angeles
  Ottawa         Pittsburg      St. Louis      San Jose
  Quebec         Washington     Tampa Bay      Vancouver
 *Toronto                      *Winnipeg       
 
 -Meng
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From: vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov)
Subject: Re: one-sided trades
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:07:38 GMT

In <1993Jan25.151353.3095@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:

>In article <BouJXB1w165w@student.business.uwo.ca>, s4lawren@student.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence) writes:
>>         Brett Hull to St. Louis for Rick Walmsley and Doug Gilmour

>I get really pissed off when I see people knocking the Brett Hull trade. First
>of all, you haven't even got the trade right. It was Hull and Steve Bozek
>for Wamsley and Rob Ramage. Gilmour came to Calgary with Mark Hunter for Mike
>Bullard and another nobody. 

>Now, the facts. Hull was a lazy whiner who couldn't check his grandmother when 
>he played in Calgary. Not to mention that Ramage and Wamsley played key roles 
>in Calgary's 1989 Cup win. How many Stanley Cups does Brett Hull have? None. 
>He has never even lead the Blues out of their division in the playoffs. Sorry,
>but until Hull proves he is a winner, there is no doubt that the Flames won
>that trade because they acquired two winners who made significant contributions
>to Calgary, something that Hull has yet to do for St Louis.

>								Alan
Amen. A team with Brett Hull on it will never win the Cup - the guy is
a floater with great hands (a more talented version of Gary Leeman or
Rob Brown).

                                                            Vladimir
                                                            GO FLAMES!
From: rbremer@ucrmath.ucr.edu (rich bremer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: My First Shutout
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:12:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

Regarding goalies on the net and shutouts:
None yet.  I've been playing for about 10 months (more on floor) and I've 
gotten pretty good.  We just finished an 11 game season in first place (and
of course got knocked out of the play-offs in the first round) and led the
league in fewest goals allowed (47).  But even though I played the best 
game of my life about 2 weeks ago, my low for a game is 2 (done several times,
some better than others).  Had a shutout in floor hockey until 2 minutes were
left in the game. 



Congratulations,
Rich


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From: haral@unisol.com (Haral Tsitsivas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Bad Hockey Trades
Date: 22 Jan 93 07:27:43 GMT
Organization: UniSolutions Associates

In article <llm4snINN7lk@news.bbn.com>, temehs@ccs1.bbn.com writes:
|> Here's a bad one: The Sabres trading Mike Donelly to the Kings for Dale
|> Degray. Degray played 2 years bouncing between Buffalo and Rochester and
|> is now in Europe. Donelly  has been quite productive for the Kings.
|> 			Tom Mehs

The Kings acquired Donnelly by trading Miko Makella(sp?) who is now playing
in Finland...

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From: umward10@news.cc.umanitoba.ca (Derek Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Jets-Hawks (19jan93)
Date: 23 Jan 93 21:38:19 GMT
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Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
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Deepak Chhabra (dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca) wrote:
: I've read all the reports about this game, and I'm wondering where Tie Domi 
: was after Chelios jumped Selanne, and I suppose during the game in general.
: It seems to me that his job is essentially to protect guys.  Could someone
: who saw the game help me out here?

	He was jumping up and down on the bench.  Unfortunately, he wasn't
on the ice at time.  I don't think he played too much of that game, after
his "penalty".

: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca

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From: apland@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: LA Kings..Gretzky..Kirk McLaine
Date: 24 Jan 93 12:55:01 -0700
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Organization: Malaspina College

In article <43913@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
> 
> Kirk McLaine of the Canucks had one of the best games I have seen a 
> goalie have in along time. He was just incredible. His glove saves on 
> 2 Coffey medium-range blasts were beauties. Both shots were heading for
> the corners of the goal.
> 

And did you see how he stormed off the ice after the game.  His team were
playing like pylons in front of him.  Apparently he does not have a temper
but was REAL upset with this team after the game.  I couldn't have counted 3 
hits by Canucks defense or forwards in their end through the whole game!  On 
the otherhand LA was hitting anything that moved in their end.  I heard that
the team has a flu going through which might account for the lackluster play
(no hitting) the last couple of games.
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Milwaukee to host '94 WCHA Championship
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:24:42 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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Since its inception five years ago, the WCHA Championship has been held in
St. Paul, Minnesota. Beginning in 1994, the four-team tourney will be held
every other year in Milwaukee at the Bradley Center. The success of the Bank
One Badger Hockey Showdown over the past four years and the selling out of
the NCAA Final Four tourney in record time this year contributed greatly to
Milwaukee receiving the honor of hosting the WCHA final.

--salty
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: USA-players
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:37:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.030339.19923@jyu.fi> vms@jyu.fi (Veli Matti Suppola) writes:
>
>Who are the TOP-5 -players in NHL who come from USA and still plays?
>

Forwards:

Pat Lafontaine, Jeremy Roenick, Kevin Stevens, Mike Modano, Jimmy Carson

Defensemen:

Chris Chelios, Brian Leetch, Phil Housley, Kevin Hatcher, Al Iafrate

The U.S. produced great defenseman first...the great forwards are just
beginning to come....Tkachuk, Peake, Rolston are names to watch.

Gerald
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From: cpw2@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Ted Martin Cpw2 Rick Martin)
Subject: Re: more one-sided trades
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:01:27 GMT

In article <Jan25.181308.47717@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu writes:
>Back in the early 80's I believe the Caps obtained Dino Ciccarelli for
>for Dennis Marouk (to Minnesota). Marouk went on to play one or two more
>average years. Dino was the Caps offense for years, despite all his off
>the ice problems.
>
Actually, Maruk was traded for a draft pick (Stephen Leach). Washington
traded Mike Gartner and Larry Murphy for Dino and Bob Rouse. Not such a
steal for the Caps after all.
--Ted Martin
P.S. Clint Benedict was the first goalie to wear a mask in an NHL game.
     In 1929-30, after having his face smashed by a Howie Morenz shot.
>Smitty
>smith%phobos.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu


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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Changes to the Playoff Format
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:28:22 GMT

In article <2B66F6B9.8568@news.service.uci.edu> jadler@cordelia.its.uci.edu (Jeff Adler) writes:
>
>Besides realignment I think that the hockey 'gods' should consider changing
>the playoff format.  I think the current system that pushes division play
>does not favor the best teams reaching later rounds. I am in favor of
>a system similar to that in the NBA where the schedule allows for more
>inter-division play but playoffs are by conference.  
>

Not that I am horribly opposed to your idea...but, the best team almost
always wins the Stanley Cup...that is why hockey has a 50 year history
of repeating champions...secondly, nobody showed up to playoff games
in many American cities before the NHL went to this format...arenas
were routinely 1/3 empty before the divisional playoff setup.  Thirdly,
interdivision playoffs are unfair to the two Western divisions...
it is conceivable that Vancouver or LA would have 6 extra 3-time
zone transcontinental flights in the first two rounds of the playoffs,
(or whichever Norris team they were playing), which would put Western
teams at a severe disadvantage with respect to Eastern teams in the
later rounds of the playoffs.

Gerald
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From: cpw2@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Ted Martin Cpw2 Rick Martin)
Subject: Re: Right/left
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:36:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.134851.11686@sulo.otol.fi> pode@sulo.otol.fi (Janne Potila) writes:
>
>Has anyone made any research about the amount of players keeping 
>right/left hand down on stick. I think the majority plays left hand 
>down. But somehow it seems to me that "the rights" are in general 
>better players than "the lefts". I was thinking for example Lemieux, 
>Yzerman, Ciccarelli, Selanne, Kurri, Sundin. 
>
>So, if someone has made comparisons between the number of "the rights" 
I have some pretty old stats, but the per cent of right to left
should still be about correct.
Approximately 65% of the players in the WHA were left-handed shooters
(goalies not included). Although there were great differences among
teams (one year the Houston Aeros had more righties than lefties),
every year it was somewhere in the 60-70% range for the entire league.

Somebody else will have to figure out whether the top scorers are 
usually righties or lefties. What about the assist leaders? goal
leaders? Hmmm.

>in the whole league and on the other hand the number of them on top 
>10/50/100 scorers, I would like to see them. That might prove my idea 
>totally wrong.
>
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