HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Subject: Re: Trip on Space Ship 3.
Reply-To: kevinq@Ingres.COM (Kevin Quinn)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:16:40 GMT

>>jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...) writes:
>>>======================================================================
>>>Actually, you can pick up alien transmissions on your am radio but it
>>>is quite well known where they are coming from. The signals also sound
>
>[stuff about natural signals from Jupiter deleted]
>
>>This is not good science.  Noise travels with great difficulty in thin
>>air, and interstellar space is an almost perfect vacuum, so radio
>>waves are almost immobile in space.  A radio wave in a perfect vacuum
>>does not move at all; that is what is called a "stationary wave".  For
>>a less extreme example, the first men on the moon heard a radio
>>programme that researchers discovered had been last broadcast in 1925!
>
Sh--!  This stuff is priceless!  Were this true, oh god of the dweebs,
we could never have communicated with our astronauts while they were in
space and on the moon.  Oh, that's right, I forgot - they carried a 
plastic tube (a looooong one) full of air for the radio waves to travel
through...

I'm sure you are also a 'heavy booter' - one who believes the moon-walkers
wore heavy boots to keep from flying from the Moon's surface...

Maybe it's just 'cause it's a rainy Friday - but the astounding, fundamental
ignorance of basic science and the world around us as shown here 
flabbergasts me.  Sadly, it seems a prime requirement for original 
posts on a.a.v.

By the way - someday, head on down to your local library and check out a
children's book on physics, radio, and EMF.  Read it.  Remember to look
up the definition of standing waves...


kbq
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: UNMUTH@BEATE.RZ.FH-ULM.DE ((...))
Subject: Re: Aurora on BBC
Organization: FHU
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:14:36 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

It also was on CNN International so everybody could have seen it over here
in Europe. They even showed drawings of the plane and said (as mentioned
earlier in this area) the plane can go as fast as 6 to 8 times the
speed of sound.

Heiko
From: chroma@hoptoad.uucp (Steve in the Secret Labs)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Call for info for research...
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:33:45 GMT
Reply-To: chroma@hoptoad.UUCP (Steve in the Secret Labs)
Organization: Skyline Genetic Engineering

In article <1992Dec10.170510.16798@megatek.com> max@megatek.com (Max Elliot) writes:
>
>  I tried before, but got no replies, so I'll repost.
>  I am looking for any good first hand information on any
>  sites in the California/Nevada desert areas that are worth
>  investigating. I'll even settle for good second hand info.
>  I am interested in doing some hands on research, and am
>  willing to post all the results, so.... Or are there really
>  none out there?  Anybody willing to vouch for a site? Hmmm?
>  How about Area 51?  
>
>-Max
>


I am suprised no one has done this. I used to jokingly suggest
that if people send me the money I would do it. I have all the
maps of Dulce and most of the "suspect mesa " and all that. Once
when I was off the net for quite some time, and hard to find, due 
to perfectly mundane nasty events, it was suggested that I had 
in fact gone to do such a thing and that I had dissappeared and it
was kind of a joke. But still I have yet to go to these places.
At least some people have to have gone there. It might have been
the case of "went there" and "found nothing" so decided that in
order not to be laughed at they kept their mouth shut. I have tried
to investigate 2 things like this so far. When I lived in West Virginia
I investigated the "Mothman" sightings, and when I lived in the
Santa Cruz Mountains, I tried to investigate the legends of a Satanic
Cult supposed operating there called "The 4 pi". The results from   
the first was intriguing but inconclusive. That is somebody was
frightened by SOMETHING, but who knows what it was. Could never find
anything that held much water with the 4-pi stuff. Either it doesn't
exist or it is very well hidden. What I did find was a bunch of teenagers
into Heavy Metal having as a friend would say "too much fun." This
was a bunch of people who KNEW that just a couple of upside down crosses
could set off a whole chain of weirdness that they could later laugh
at, they would regularly place a few strtegically near an easy to upset
Fundamentalist Church and wait until they got set off, then they'd have
a great deal of fun laughing about it.


				be seeing you,
				   steve

rep:chroma@toad.com
From: pat@oregon.uoregon.edu (Pat Florance)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: possible modes of travel
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:53:56 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon
Distribution: all
NNTP-Posting-Host: ssil27.uoregon.edu
Summary: ff
Keywords: space travel

I am a astro-physics student and am interested in hearing possible ways of 
mastering our space-time continuum.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: FILE: HUFON report on Underground Base in Calif
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:49:44 GMT

dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes:

>  There has been a great deal of new information about UFO activity in 
>Southern California ...
>
   Though I'm not a UFO theorist, I somehow don't find the idea that
Southern California is full of space aliens surprising.
From: pat@oregon.uoregon.edu (Pat Florance)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: The Smooth Earth
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:49:42 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon
Distribution: dsf
NNTP-Posting-Host: ssil27.uoregon.edu
Summary: sdf
Keywords: ffsaf

I thought some of you may find it interesting that the Earth in scale is 
smoother than the surface of a que(sp.) ball.  and yes, plenty of research 
backs this up.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Call for info for research...
From: tdenbo@eis.calstate.edu (Tom Denbo)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:16:06 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

max@megatek.com (Max Elliot) writes:
> 
>   I tried before, but got no replies, so I'll repost.
>   I am looking for any good first hand information on any
>   sites in the California/Nevada desert areas that are worth
>   investigating. I'll even settle for good second hand info.
>   I am interested in doing some hands on research, and am
>   willing to post all the results, so.... Or are there really
>   none out there?  Anybody willing to vouch for a site? Hmmm?
>   How about Area 51?  
> 
> -Max
> 
I hear that Area 51 (Groom Dry Lake) is near highway 375 between Hancock
Summit and Coyote Summit.  I've also hear that listeners to a Vegas radio
station have gone out as a group and have seen these beasties.

Gee, sounds like a real opportunity for some entrepreneur to set up tours,
eh?  

How about:  Come to Vegas and don't forget to take a tour of Area 51, the
place where the Aurora space ships fly!

I think a vacation in Vegas might REALLY be interesting!

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Reply-To: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:02:17 GMT


In article <croth.2oyg@terapin.com>, croth@terapin.com (Charles Roth) writes:

|>
|>>This is incorrect.  Santa lives in a shopping mall next to
|>>my office building.  I have seen him, and for a small fee
|>>I can have a photo taken of Santa and me.
|>
|>Ever notice how the words Satan and Santa are basically the same?  Now what
|>does this suggest?


	Nothing!   Get a LIFE!!!!!


	Steve Food_for_the_Greys/Reptoids
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: FILE: HUFON report on Underground Base in Calif
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:39:17 GMT

dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes:

>So what does all this mean?  It means that for the first time, we have 
>verifiable evidence of high-technology aircraft being designed or built by 
>U.S. aerospace corporations at secret underground installations. These 
>aircraft do not depend on aerodynamic lift from wings, propellers, jet 
>thrust, etc.    

What I'm baffled about is the lack of high quality film and video cameras that
UFO enthusiasts refuse on using when they go to spy on these underground
bases.  When the hunter goes hunting, they usually bring a gun.
-- 
			What's the frequency, Kenneth?

DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
Pete Ashdown    pashdown@slack.sim.es.com    ...uunet!slack.sim.es.com!pashdown
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
From: larzo@phoenix.oulu.fi (Lauri Moilanen)
Subject: Re: FILE: HUFON report on Underground Base in Calif
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:35:33 GMT

: 
: This copyrighted article originally appeared in the November 1992 
: HUFON REPORT, the newsletter of the Houston UFO Network, Inc. For more 
: information call (713) 850-1352.
: 
: See accompanying GIF file, UGBASES.GIF
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: [ Not included here - Don ]
: 
	Why not? I'm sure that i'm not only one, who are curious to see it.

*******************************************************************************
     	      Lauri Moilanen         |
	      larzo@phoenix.oulu.fi  |
******************************************************************************
From: chroma@hoptoad.uucp (Steve in the Secret Labs)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: 12 Dec 92 14:33:35 GMT
Reply-To: chroma@hoptoad.UUCP (Steve in the Secret Labs)
Distribution: world
Organization: Skyline Genetic Engineering


REgarding good ole JW ...Well can you say: "flat affect" and "SIMULATION"
in the same breath. Sounds like a cute hack to me, but it, uh sort of uh,
wears out. But fun to read sometime. Kill! Kill! MAGIC FILE kill! at other
times. As someone once pointed out, why do aliens give themselves names
that are easily translated into English from perfectly vanilla Earth Languages.
Why do tall musclebound babes (of either sex) or tribes of Amazon-Girl-Jocks
never emerge from flying saucers? It is all pretty curious when one looks
at the symbolic meaning of what goes in and out of flying saucers and the
images of the "Aliens" that emerge. Aliens are suprizingly close to home in
both their looks and behavior overrall. Somethings one wonders, without trying
to be pejorative, what type of mushroom some people had when they had
certain experiences, becuase UFO experiences do seem to have an uncanny
resemebelence to all sorts of altered states of consciousness brought on
by all sorts of things. They are also pretty close to all sorts of things
like dreams, hypogogic and hypnopompic hallucination/imagery and such stuff.
This might not explain all of these sorts of experiences, but it certainly
rings the proverbial bell for closeness etc. and is probably well worth
investigating and looking into from a variety of perspecitives.



				Be Seeing You,
				   steve


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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: Aurora on BBC
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:19:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.090626.2547@dct.ac.uk> buxduac@dct.ac.uk writes:
>Am I hearing things?
>   I was watching the Ross king show (Morning time BBC1 Great britain for those
>that don't know) a kind of mental floss chat show cum wake up to a cheary
>face sort of thing on tuesday.  On of the items he does is "Guess the news
>item from a clue" type of quiz and I am sure I heard the following
>
>King "What is Aurora" 
>Member of public "Thats a new spy plane"
>
>Any body else see this ? Any body see any items in the press monday
>or tuesday about it ?
>

Check out sci.space.  There have been several sightings over the
past few years in the southwest US and Europe.  Best guess is that
it's a top-secret spy plane being used by the US.  So far, the 
program has not been confirmed by the US government, but we ran
the F-117A for 7 years before it was announced.

--
Ed McCreary                                               ,__o
mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com                       _-\_<,
"If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."  (*)/'(*)
From: Andre.Eichner@f10.n2403.z2.FIDONET.ORG (Andre Eichner)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: AWAKE
Date: 18 Dec 92 10:09:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 2:2403/10 - FidoNet Berli, Berlin 41

Hello Mark!

Tuesday December 15 1992, Mark Holladay writes to All:

 MH>                       IS ANYONE LISTENING?

Yes! Germany is listening...

 MH>      The UFO thing seems to be a multidimensional thing.  I mean,

Oh yes it's true.

 MH> FTL communication and transportation is somehow linked
 MH> to New Age Channeling, maybe FTL communication?

FTL is the wrong word... I can't compare multidimensional with the speed of light. FTL is only in the physical dimension real. Interdimensional has other ways... but we are interdimensional beings...
I think: teleportation is possible without any technical thing.

 MH>      If someone from the future wanted to communicate with us
 MH> wouldn't they use FTL tech.?  Wouldn't they know the mechanism of

I think, time is only a illusion in our mind. Learn the communication with you Soul and raise you consciousness to this level and you understand the multidimensionality.

 MH> the brain to do this?  It seems to me that communication is the
 MH> first step, then comes the way to travel.  I think the way to
 MH> travel is beyond our concepts at this time.

But it's possible.

cheers
   Andre

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From: chroma@hoptoad.uucp (Steve in the Secret Labs)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Contact Notes and Vallee
Date: 12 Dec 92 13:53:20 GMT
Reply-To: chroma@hoptoad.UUCP (Steve in the Secret Labs)
Organization: Skyline Genetic Engineering


I generally like Vallee and think what he has to say is quite
interesting. Even he takes a few leaps I have trouble swallowing.
For example he makes statements to the effect that any doctor could
from the presently available supply of drugs (medications if you are
fussy:) cause amnesia of any event that would be unbreakable. This 
seems to be a pretty wild claim to make in my book. I would like him
to describe how he proposes this is done, naming drugs, routes of
administration etc. Does anyone know if he has ever explicated this?
It is a pretty intense claim to make. My suspicion is that this is
difficult to do, and even if possible might cause marks such as
where IVs were done etc. 

In spite of this he does bring up valid criticisms and the like
of most of the current UFO theories and proponents. This is good,
and has much less of the "kill it before it multiplies" atitude of
most hardcore skeptics. I do think to paraphrase the old song, that 
"There is something going on here, what it is ain't exactly clear..."
and that trying to dismiss it out of hand or force it prematurely
to closure are equally questionable. 


			Be Seeing You,
			    steve

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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jdm@Cadence.COM (Joe Mastroianni)
Subject: Re: John Winston and his unbelievable load of crap
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:42:11 GMT

>was just a sick, deluded individual.     Now I am sure he is just having a 
>laugh at the people who take him seriously.  (and loving the 'publicity').
>

  Don't be so sure. 

  I'm mostly a lurker on this group.  I have a genuine interest in rational
discussion of UFO phenomena. But it's obvious this subject attracts
all kinds of people. I can remember a discussion some years back where
someone called "Goddess" felt he/she should use this group as a forum
for a lot of self-inflating talk of power. Power is only good if you have
it over something. This person tried first to convince the reader
there was such power,then, they only he/she possessed it and that we 
should assume a naturally humble stature as a result.

  That person seems to be replaced by Mr. Winston whom I suspect is looking
for a viable revenue stream from his writing. This group is cheap exposure.
If he succeeds in publishing some of his work in legitimate print journals,
he could use his experience here to convince the generally computer-illiterate
public he has world-wide acclaim as a voice in the field.

  What then to do? Nothing, I suspect. Mr. Winston has simply exercised his
right of free speech and done it quite effectively. If many people
comment on his actions he has succeeded in getting the publicity he
seeks. Commentary about one's writing, either good or bad, is what a
writer hopes for. An apathetic public is a writer's worst nightmare.

  You cannot make Mr. Winston go away. If you don't like his banter the
most effective expression of that opinion is to deprive him of his
audience. If you enjoy his essays continue to comment in a public manner
and he will be encouraged to continue. 

   Remember any commentary, positive or blow-torch, is encouragement to
action.

   

   Joe 
      
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: gslars@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Stollman, Winston, et al.
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:57:37 GMT

Doesn't it seem a little strange that there's a John Winston to pick
up where Gary Stollman left off?  Is it just a coincidence that their
postings are better (gramatically) and more carefully written than those
of anyone else?  All of you folks who are constantly ranting about
Winston could be the most gullible of all.  What I'm saying, of course,
is that perhaps these postings are put there simply to serve as objects
of derision.  In that respect, they serve their purpose well.
(My apologies to both Winston and Stollman if they are sincere, but you
can't blame it if some of us are a little skeptical.)  Too bad there
isn't a moderated version of this topic.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Aurora?
From: Robert_Sutton@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Sutton)
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:48:51 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

rkrouse@netcom.com(Robert K.Rouse) Sat 12 Dec 1992 15:02:05 GMT  types---
>Also there is an articleabout the Pentagon superplane on the front 
>page of front page of the San Jose,California Mercury News newspaper 
>In the article the Pentagon & Sam Nunn say there is no such plane.Humm
>I wonder what's making all tne noise.If it's not ours then maybe it 
>belongs to an ET.

Thier should now be an article in The latest edition of Janes Defense 
Weekly on Aurora.I don't know if that's a superplane but I've heard 
no noise on it so far.The reports I heard on local radio & BBCWS Newshour 
the Saturday before last said it's claimed it can go at Mach 8 to the 
edge of space.

I suppose you could call it anAurora Borealis?n

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OR ARE THEY JUST WAITING
TO SEAL THE ROYALTY DEAL
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From: Andre.Eichner@f10.n2403.z2.FIDONET.ORG (Andre Eichner)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Antigravity
Date: 6 Dec 92 21:46:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 2:2403/10 - FidoNet Berli, Berlin 41

* Crossposted in UFO.GER
* Crossposted in ALIEN
*** Antwort auf eine Mitteilung in Area ALIEN.

Hello waddell!

Am Montag, 30 November 1992 schrieb waddell an All:


 w> Edgar Casey says that they understood and used anti-gravity.  Speaking of
 w> which, did anyone else see the Australian produced program "Beyond 2000" on
 w>  the Discovery Channel that showed an electical-magnetic anti-gravity field
 w>  and that it's first commercial use would be in shock absorbers for cars?

Can you write more about this? It's a very interesting subject!
I've a interesting book about the electrical-gravity-effekt (Biefeld-Brown-Effekt) with instruktions for experiments.

Liebe Gruesse
   Andre

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From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Of ETs and Classical Religion
Date: 17 Dec 92 02:51:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas) writes:
	Lately there has been talk about ETs being demons and all that
	rot.  I pose a question to you fundumentalists here: Could
	Demons have been ETs? [etc]

... well, I'm not a fundamentalist, but I could write you a dream
wherein Ray Kroc was an ET, a commander of a giant hamburger-fleet;
come to clog our arteries and it might read better.  What is it about
new-agers and this hostility to other religions?  Peace and love, but
not for people who don't believe what they do?  You decide.

Charles
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Archives of UFO journals (or SIGs) available via anonymous FTP?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution:  world
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:52:50 GMT





>     I was wondering if anyone who reads this newsgroup knew of any UFO journal 
> archives available via anonymous FTP or otherwise over the net?  Or perhaps 
ftp grind.isca.uiowa.edu 

look in /info/paranet/infopara

You'll find tons of interesting stuff there.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: max@megatek.com (Max Elliot)
Subject: Re: RE: awake
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:26:15 GMT

From article <1992Dec18.084058.1444@news.Hawaii.Edu>, by markh@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Mark Holladay):
> 
> In article <1992Dec15.060847.5466@news.Hawaii.Edu>
> markh@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Mark Holladay) writes:
> )
> )                      IS ANYONE LISTENING?
> )
> )     The UFO thing seems to be a multidimensional thing.
> 
> ==>read QED by feynman or FTL, superluminal loopholes in physics...
> by some Phd head.
          ^^^^^^^^^
   That's Jack Sarfatti and the paper is on superluminal signalling devices.
   He has a Phd in physics and knows what he is talking about.

-Max

> Have fun....
>           Mark...
>