HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: yamen@cae.wisc.edu (Soner Yamen)
Subject: Re: Popularity of neighbouring countries.
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:10:10 CDT

In article <kutluk.716074204@ccl.umist.ac.uk> kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven) writes:
>On the [last month's] question about Republic of Turkey's
>idea of the governments in the Middle East, Balkans and the
>CIS, I think for the time it is
>
>---------------------------
>10 Albania
>10 Azerbaijan
>10 Bosnia
>10 Kirghizistan
>10 N Cyprus
>10 Turkmenistan
>10 Uzbekistan
> 9 Kazakhistan
> 8 Bulgaria
> 8 Georgia
> 8 Macedonia
> 8 Russia
> 7 Croatia
> 7 Moldavia
> 7 Romania
> 7 Ukraine
> 6 Egypt
> 6 Israel
> 6 Saudi Arabia
> 5 Iran 
>-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
> 4 Iraq	
> 4 Syria
> 3 Greece
> 2 Armenia
> 1 S Cyprus
> 0 Serbia/Montenegro
>----------------------------
>
>
>Please correct me if I am wrong.
>
>Kutluk

Maybe I missed other articles related to that topic, but can you
explain it? What is that list? 

regards,
-Soner

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: mistik@mistik.anatolia.mn.org (Mustafa Soysal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Spiros Triantafyllopoulos's and David Morning's misconceptions
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 12:36:42 EDT
Organization: N.A.


> From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
> Newsgroups:soc.culture.turkish
> Subject: Re: Mustafa S's misconceptions
> Message-ID: <Bu9MF9.185@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>
> Date: 8 Sep 92 15:16:20 GMT
> References: <18ega1INNgha@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
> <18gguhINN62u@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <5467246@mistik.anatolia.mn.org>
> Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.  
> Lines: 16 
>
> mistik@mistik.anatolia.mn.org (Mustafa Soysal) writes: 
> >have to do with the properness of announcements in this newsgroup? And 
> >while you are at remembering, who scanned someone's picture in violation
> >of copyright law and put it on ftp? Any relations between you and that group? 
>
> Charming.  Mutlu et al posts the entire contents of libraries to the net
> and everyone yells 'fair use'. 

We don't agree there.  Mutlu and others use paragraphs of quotes in
order to show a point in history.  It might be even considered
educational purpose, if not personal.  Those uses are permitted, and you
can read it in almost any copy shop around town.  (here, US)

> Someone scans a small picture from a magazine and it's 'violation of copyright
> law'

What is the purpose of it? Even scanning and not posting it without
permission is prohibited, unless it is for personal use or educational
matters.  Posting someone's picture to subject him to anonymous terror
and harrasment is not 'fair use' as permitted by the laws.

> 
> Aren't US copyright laws wonderful folks?

Yes they are.  I may not agree with software patents although.

> 
> Dave
> 
> -- 

--
Mustafa Soysal
===============================================================================
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,news.admin,news.admin.policy
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet,soc.history
Subject: Re: Spero violating US Constitution.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 21:53:09 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <SES.92Sep14120732@cmns-moon.think.com> ses@cmns-moon.think.com (Simon Edward Spero) writes:

>Better, but why expand the newsgroup list beyond the original
>news.admin{,.policy}?

Why not? The issue at hand is the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim
people between 1914 and 1920. Are you for real? Any comment?

Source: "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers, 
Inc., New York (1952), p. 361 (seventh paragraph) and p. 362 (first paragraph).

 'The most are inside houses. Come you and look.'
 'No, dammit! My stomach isn't-'
 'One is a Turkish officer in uniform. Him you must see.'
"We were under those trees by the mosque, in an open space....
 'I don't believe you," I said, but followed to a nail-studded door. The man
  pushed it ajar, then spurred away, leaving me to check on the corpse. I
  thought I should, this charge was so constant, so gritted my teeth and went
  inside.

 The place was cool but reeked of sodden ashes, and was dark at first, for its 
 stone walls had only window slits. Rags strewed the mud floor around an iron
 tripod over embers that vented their smoke through roof beams black with soot.
 All looked bare and empty, but in an inner room flies buzzed. As the door
 swung shut behind me I saw they came from a man's body lying face up, naked
 but for its grimy turban. He was about fifty years old by what was left of
 his face - a rifle butt had bashed an eye. The one left slanted, as with 
 Tartars rather than with Turks. Any uniform once on him was gone, so I'd
 no proof which he was, and quickly went out, gagging at the mess of his  
 slashed genitals."

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: OKVH$HA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: LUTFEN BU YAZIYI OKUYUN VE USLANIN
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 13:13:11 EDT

BU NETWORK'U ANLAMSIZ BIR SURU TEKRARLA DOLDURAN SEVGILI USERLAR. LUTFEN,
BIRBIRININ TEKRARI 10 TANE POSTING YAPIP EKRANLARIMIZI OKUNAMAZ HALE GETIRMEYIN
TEK POSTINGLE DE ISTEDIGINIZ KADAR BIRBIRINIZE HAKARET EDIP, DEMAGOJI
YAPABILIRSINIZ.  BEN VE BENIM GIBILER ZATEN SIZIN YAZDIKLARINIZI OKUMUYORUZ.
TERBIYELI, AZ VE OZ YAZIN VEYA KAVGA ETMEK ICIN GIDIP YANI BIR KANAL KULLANIN.
KAVGA DEGIL, ULUSLARARSI ISBIRLIGIYLE ILGILENENLERE STEPHEN KRASNER'IN
"INTERNATIOONAL REGIMES" VE KEOHANE'IN "INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTIONS..." ISIMLI
KITAPLARINI TAVSIYE EDERIM.  DALASIP BU EKRANI DOLDURMAKTAN BASKA ISINIZ YOKSA
GET A LIFE YA DA BIR UGRAS EDININ.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:9735 soc.culture.europe:8158
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: doc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Mutlu renamed Argic?
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:08:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


Fellas, does anyone know how I get get an archive of older Newsgroup
postings? Because these following paragraphy of Argic's is 99% the
same as a Mutlu posting about a month ago. It looks like
we are dealing with the same person (?program?) here.

>This joke will open the skies to mankind. While there is a new world
>order emerging, to turn around and ask the Turkish Republic of Northern
>Cyprus (TRNC) to dance with an old world tune would not solve any
>problems. Who is ready to claim that 'Greek Cypriots' are not hating
>the 'Turkish Cypriots?' Insisting on not recognizing the TRNC as a
>separate republic and push them to get together with Greek Cypriots
>is no different than asking each and every one of the new republics
>of old Soviet Union, Croatia and Slovenia in Yugoslavia to go back
>to the old status quo.

>Serdar Argic

 Gimme a break, Hasan.
                                                           
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek
From: bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin)
Subject: Re: Remember Cyprus
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 22:07:14 GMT

>
>The opinions expressed below are attributed to a good majority portion 
>of the Turkish Cypriots, a friendly and rightful community in Cyprus
>currently residing in the North of the island(away from the Greek
>Cypriot community) IN LIGHT OF MY RECENT OBSERVATIONS.
>

*A forgotten but important part is added.

Besime Erin
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: A unitary solution ends up with Greeks killing the Turks...
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:44:26 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world


In article <18jjmfINNkir@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> by403@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

>CLAP-ON Interesting. all you see is "turks/muslims" and everyone else.
>Who's got the binary brain? Have you seen me complain about postings

Beats me. The record clearly shows that the Greek Cypriot leadership 
never believed in equality between the two communities, have accepted
the independence with great reluctance and then nullified the constitution 
in a unilateral fashion, counting on a forceful fait accompli. 

That's why the United Nations Security Council resolutions, resting 
on the wisdom of hindsight, always proposed a bi-territorial and 
bi-communal federative solution because the record shows that 
a 'unitary' solution ends up with Greeks killing the Turks for 
'enosis' with Greece.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: The flue of "porno.dcs.glasgow.ac.uk" crooks.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:51:52 GMT

In article <Bu24AJ.JM8@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:

>Why would you want to fax the Turkish Embassy?

October 29 is around the corner, "morning the crook".


Source: Hassan Arfa, "The Kurds," (London, 1968), pp. 25-26.

 "When the Russian armies invaded Turkey after the Sarikamish disaster 
  of 1914, their columns were preceded by battalions of irregular 
  Armenian volunteers, both from the Caucasus and from Turkey. One of 
  these was commanded by a certain Andranik, a blood-thirsty adventurer.
  These Armenian volunteers committed all kinds of excesses, more
  than six hundred thousand Kurds being killed between 1915 and 1916 in 
  the eastern vilayets of Turkey."

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: A question Multu/Agric dares not answer
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:44:19 GMT
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.





1. Stanford Shaw received $_________ from various turkish governmental and
   nongovernmental organizations.

2. J. McCarthy received $_________ from various turkish governmental and
   nongovernmental organizations.


	If the turkish case is so good, then why is it necessary to buy
"Professors".




[Insert one line of nonsense here]

[Insert a quote from material here]

[Insert Sig]

[Insert quote from Aremenian here]
From: senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan)
Subject: Turkish characters.....
Originator: senel@irlsp
Organization: Takanumi University of Technology, Tokyo, Japan
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:51:24 GMT


Hi folks,

   I found a program (not copyrighted) that gives the ability to 
write Turkish characters in (S)VGA systems. It doesn't stay resident 
in PC RAM. (It changes VGA font table)

  Also there is another utility which remaps the keyboard to write
in Turkish easily such that,

     ALT S   maps_to      sh
     ALT C   maps_to      ch
     ALT U      
     etc....

   Is there anyone who knows an anonymous ftp site where I can
put those stuff in?

   Please reply by e-mail. 

Hakan
From: x91dickenso1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Trantafyllopastry and Mustafa
Date: 12 Sep 92 15:07:09 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University


Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:9957 talk.politics.mideast:20004 talk.politics.soviet:7908 soc.culture.greek:8856 soc.culture.europe:8359 soc.history:8257
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: are "kerenians" racists?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:51:31 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Sep10.134902.21172@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:

>Ahoy there, mate! Welcome to the racist pond!

Exalted? Germany had shown interest in nationalities, as a tool
to dismember the Russian empire, back in World War I. In the time
between the two World Wars, expelled leaders of Soviet nationalities
were lobbying the capitals of European powers to gain support for 
their respective causes. Already in 1936, the SS Headquarters
(Reichssicherheitshauptamt) had created bureaus (Vertrauensstellen)
to contact emigrants and oversee their activities. The Vertrauensstellen
for the Caucasus was led by the Armenian Deirajr Froundjian and the
Georgian Lado Achmeteli.[1] 

Shortly after the occupation of Warsaw and Paris, the German Abwehr
(Secret Service) assumed ties with exiled leaders of diverse Soviet
nationalities, among them Armenian Dashnags.[2] One of the leaders
of the Dashnaktzoutun, the aforementioned General Dro 'the butcher'
(Drastamat Kanajan) began working relationship with the Nazis around 
that time.

[1] Patrick von zur Muhlen (Muehlen), 'Zwischen Hakenkreuz und
    Sowjetstern,' (Droste Verlag Duesseldorf 1971), p.37
[2] Ibid., p. 84.
 
Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:9726 talk.politics.mideast:19641 talk.politics.soviet:7700 soc.culture.greek:8510 soc.culture.europe:8153 soc.history:8082 news.admin:7455
From: mps@hawkeye.hawkeye.com (Michael Snyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,news.admin
Subject: Inappropriate Ethnic Crossposting (was: Only one in ten "Sipas" called up to join the Greek navy can swim.)
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:34:27 GMT
Followup-To: news.admin
Organization: Hawkeye Software Technologies, Cresco, Iowa, USA

The context of this followup is from a reader of news.admin.

From article <9209032148.A6735XV@zuma.UUCP>, by sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic):
> <715409012.0@krypta.fidonet.org>
> Alexandros.Gougousoudis@f41.n2403.z2.fidonet.org (Alexandros Gougousoudis)
> 
>>Of cource, but he uses the Net as a propaganda machine.
> 
> It's a kind of harsh judgement, and a little close for comfort.
> 
> Source: THE EUROPEAN - 27-30 August 1992, page 13.
> 
> Sea novices: Although famed as a maritime nation and despite being
> surrounded by seas, a report has disclosed that only one in ten
> conscripts called up to join the Greek navy can swim.
> 
> Serdar Argic
> 
>                      'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
>                       We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
>                       serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
>                       then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
>                                                        (Ohanus Appressian)


Who has seen "Blazing Saddles"?  Remember the fight scene in Rock Ridge
which spilled over into a closed-set musical, the commissary (sp?), and
into the streets?

Well, this stuff is now spilling all over from the ethnic pick-and harass
groups that everyone is bitching about.  What relevance does non-swimming
Greek sailors have to do with administering news systems?

News administrators, is it time yet to yank these people into line?  And
before Dave Hayes starts spewing the particular brand of EXTREME-LIBERAL-
RIGHTS-TO-SAY-ANYTHING he is famous for, let me say that I AGREE WITH YOU.
These people can say anything about anyone they wish; it just doesn't belong
in news.admin.  These people are driving the wrong way on a one-way street.

I do believe that Mutlu et al. have the right to say anything they wish.
I DO NOT believe that Mutlu et al. have the right to inflict their views
in inappropriate groups.

By the way, does anyone of this ethnic thread appreciate that you are
being likened to characters from a movie made by one of the great comedy
minds of our century?
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human
Subject: Historical And Traditional Armenian Racism.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 20:25:19 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world


In article <1475100112@igc.org> pnmideast@igc.org writes:

>/* Written  4:04 pm  Jan 13, 1992 by newsdesk in cdp:ips.englibrary */
>Copyright Inter Press Service 1991, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
>print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.


Source:	Feigl, Eric: "A Myth of Terror: Armenian Extremism, its causes 
	and its historical context", 1986, pp. 124-138

	Armenian Terrorism - A Chronological Run-down
	=============================================

88)	August 11, 1981 - Copenhagen 
	Two bombs destroy the offices of Swissair. An American tourist is
	injured in the explosion. "Ninth of June" claims responsibility.

89)	August 20, 1981 -  Los Angeles
	A bomb explodes outside the offices of Swiss Precision Instruments. 
	The attack is claimed by "Ninth of June".


 "...that more people have to die..." 

                    ASALA/SDPA/ARF <91@urartu.UUCP>

  "Yes, I stated this and stand by it."

                    ASALA/SDPA/ARF <255@urartu.UUCP>


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:9910 soc.culture.greek:8800 soc.culture.europe:8336
From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Yes, Remember Cyprus
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:24:12 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <BuFK8J.47y@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu
(Besime Erin) writes:
>
>By moderate, I was talking about people who show the effort to see
>the other side of the coin

I saw the other side of the coin and it was fake.

>You may call it personal egoism, I call it defending my community and 
>Turkey from the unjustified accusations brought against us on this net. 

And on the floor of the UN...

>May be we didn't show
>the effort to negotiate on that constitution well enough and wanted exactly 

What about the Turkish ship caught gunrunning to Cyprus after the first
elections and before the British surrendered power? That ties very well
with the fact that the Turkish Cypriot leadership would use any excuse,
no matter how small, to quarrel with the other side and eventually cause
intercommunal fighting.

>The Greek Cypriots were unable to assure us of these and they still are.  
>Even in the current talks they want to bring it to an "oldu,bitti"i.e get the
>Turkish Cypriots to accept what they want us to accept. 

What do we ask that it is so horrible? Some of our land back? Imagine if
we asked for all of our land and only left you with your fair share...

>Majority seems to be crying "Our borders end in Girne! Greek Cypriot community

Actually, we also claim the sea up to 12 miles north of Kyrenia.
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas

"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."
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From: c23st@kocrsv01.DElcoelect.COM (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Subject: re: how european do the turks feel
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:00:50 GMT

Deniz Akkus writes:
> Are you asking whether Turkey has a legal right to try to enter the
> EEC if it wants to?  I believe it does.  However your question seems
> to be slanted on the side of 'does it belong there?'.  As such
> questions often involve words such as 'civilized' I am tired of
> answering.  I am sure our Greek friends will fill you in with their
> opinions on the matter.

What an interesting statement. I wonder if villages in, say, Sicily,
Spain, or Greece, are any more or less 'civilized' than the ones in 
Anatolia. (don't have a list of provinces handy, sorry).

Entrance to the EC is simply money. What XXX has to give and what XXX
has to offer in return... In Turkiye's case, the obvious "to give" 
feature is lots of cheap labor. I chuckle every time you (or anyone
else) mentions Greece as the only stumbling block in Turkiye's 
entry in the EC... Witness what is happening in Germany (attacks
against guest workers and refugees). Greece's just a convenient
excuse that other governments can use to deny entrance to Turkiye. 

(thanks for reminding everyone just "how bad dem greeks are")

As for the remarks that Turkiye is a member of, say, European sports or
broadcasting organizations, well, Israel is a member of sports
associations (great basketball folks!), broadcasting (Eurovision song
festival, argh) , and other associations in Europe. I have not seeing
them proclaiming their "European-ness" anytime lately...

(not-so European) Spiros
--
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                       c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com 
OUZO POWER                                      striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com