From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Why the Jets?
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:48:05 GMT
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Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <t55t+mk@rpi.edu>, ruthd@aix.rpi.edu (Davis Paul Ruth) writes:
> un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>>will have a lock on the title (or virtual lock) by the 2/3 mark through the
>>season.  I would be surprised if any of the divission mates gve then any more
>>trouble than that.  To say the jets will challenge for the title after 1 WC
>>berth is naive.  I can understand it since the Jets jhave had such a long
>>drought of winning times, but it is still naive, and If I knew
>>that 1 of the AFC east's teams would win the title and it wasn't going
>>to be Buffalo I would still pick Miami over NY.  If it doesn't make sense
>>to you then you ought to look at the two teams.
>>QB-Miami has Dan Marino who, when Montana is out of the picture, could be
>>           the league's #1 QB show
>>   NY has O'Brien who is pathetic, and Nagle who is virtually a rookie
>>           since he has 0 playing time.
> 
> O'Brien is hardly pathetic, and Nagle has lots O'Talent.
>  No one says they are better than Marino.

Testaverde has potential too, and so did Brister...O'Brien is pathetic.
I cannot think of a better word to describe him, 9 out of 10 other teams
wouldn't start him, and on several teams he wouldn't make the team.
> 
>>RB-Miami looks to have finnaly found a feature back in Mark Higgs and a good
>>           third down/blocker/recieving back in Paige 
>>   NY has Blair Thomas who despite his moments has yet to really get a
>>           consistent role down, Baxter who seems to fade in and out of
>>           favor, McNeil who is just to damn old and run down, or Hector
>>           who I dunno what.
> 
> Will Someone please volunteer some proof that McNeil is washed up!
>   He averaged over 6 yards a carry last year. And he is a great guy to
>    have for spot duty.  Baxter is a GREAT FB and a great short distance
>   goal-line, 3rd-and-1 runner. Hector is a more than adequate back-up.
>   B.Thomas has yet to show me any thing, and I still wish they had
>   drafted Rodney Hampton instead Thomas.
> 
Can he carry the load like he USED to? No.  I do not have his stats but if they
were like that then why didn't he get used more?  there has to be a reason!
Baxter may be above average and even good, but Great??? C'mon your fan bias
is showing!  Hector I agree with.

> Higgs had one decent year and is hardly a notable "feature back".
>      and what depth do they have.
>  
It was the first year he was utilized...was he a second or third year guy?
With Miamia's inferior line, that never rush blocks (virtually) and he
looks good.  He made people miss, broke tackles, and showed alot of poise,
more than any of the Jet backs, who (IMO) used blocking better.

> The Jets had a much MUCH much better running game than Miami, and
>   that is a fact. 
> 
I am talking about next year...next year Higgs will most likely be the featured
guy all year, and IMO he will be really good, maybe 1,000 yard time.
> 
>>OL-Miami doesn't hve a great line anymore But with Marino this weakness is
>>           somewhat offset.
>>   NY has  better OL but it isn't particularly super either
> 
> The Jets Line was much improved and above average, Marino was sacked almost 
> as often as O'brien last year, and the Jets had a much better yds/carry.

I said NY has a better line...the thing I said with marino is that because of
his quick release the weakness is hidden slightly.  
> 
>>WR-Miami has the edge because they have two good veterans in Clayton and
>>           Duper while they are getting older for 1 more year they are still
>>           a better tandem than Moore and Toon.
>>   NY's Toon and Moore are a good combo but Toon shows his age more and more
>>           each year, while Moore is still a young guy a little wet behind
>>           the ears still though he should cure that middle this season.
> 
> The Jets get the edge at WR , Toon and Moore vs. Duper and clayton
> T&M get more receptions for less yardage per rec. but this is because
> the jets don't go deep nearly as often as Miami, and if O'Brien was so
> pathetic then T&M must be amazing.  Also the jets have a lot more
> depth with Mathis, Burkett, Dawkins. And the Jets have the edge in yards

Clayton and Duper are aging and showing it.  Toon was doing the same, until
he seemed to have a bit of rejuvenation this year.  Your fan bias is again
glaring.  T&M are not as good as Clayton and Duper at deep stuff, witch was
my point...the Phins are more explosive and as such IF one of these two teams
were going to knock the Bills out of the title slot, I would pick Miami.

> Total Defensive edge:  BIIIIIIIIIIIGG Edge to Jets

Which i had said...why comment on it?
> 
> Total Offense:  Relatively even (Only because Marino)
> 
In your dreams.

>>Coach-BIIIIIIIIIG edge to SHula though Coslet is not going to harm the team.
> 
>>all and all the 'Phins have the better Offense/coaching staff and that
>>will give them more explosiveness which means if one of these
>>two teams is destined to put the explosive Bills out of the title streak
>>they are on, I would say the Phins are the team to do it.  Now if
>>I were voting on who would beat the Bills, I would go for NY cus of
>>their style...it is the style that hurts the Bills the most, but
>>in a 16 game season you have to go for the team with the most explosive
>>ability...ecspecoially if they get their front 7 help.
>>Brian mulhollnd
> 
> Jets were 8-8 last year and lost 4 or 5 close games that they Should
>  have one, and would have if Leahy wasn't injured throughout the
>  season. 

Tell the Packers how if not for 5 or 6 plays you would have been 10-6 or
whatever.  Infante whined about the same thing....I tell 49er fans this
all the time...luck is part of the game...it is one of those things that
you either get or don't.  If you have a great record chances are you had
a lot of luck go FOR you...if you have a lousy one chances are you had a lot go
AGAINST you.  It's part of the game and cannot be controlled (though by getting
great players you can sorta set yourself up as a magnet for the good stuff)
The Redskins almost lost the Houston game...they got lucky.  that is a fact.
No one (I think) will argue that it was lucky.  Somehow 49er fans argue that
the cath was not lucky..I fail to see how they can type it in and not feel like
they are spouting stupid stuff but that is just my views.

> He Missed FGS against the Bears(in REG. and OT)
>   Missed 3 FGS in a 1pt loss to the Colts
>   Against NE they missed several FGS incl. 2 inside the 20
>    and didn't even atempt 3 or 4 opting to go for it on 4th down
>   instead, in a very close game.
> They should have won both games against the Bills.

Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda
> 
> And they BEAT the mighty Dolphins TWICE last year.
> 
Again I say that I was commenting that IF ONE of these TWO teams were garanteed
to be the one to stop the Bills title streak NEXT year, I felt the Phins had a
better shot because of their EXPLOSIVE ***POTENTIAL***, not that the Jets
were a lame team and the Phins are the next dyansty..you keep making it sound
lie I was arguing the Dolphins were superrior last season, obviously untrue
by the head-head meetings and the records.

> The Jets won't make as many mistakes as last year, and are young
>   and  improving.  They will have a better record than last year.

Again I do think they are a good team but not a title contender.
brian Mulholland  
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