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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: one-sided trades
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:52:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.212112.7900@rz-berlin.mpg.de> KOLASINSKI@FHI-Berlin.MPG.DE (Rebell ohne Schlips) writes:

>	How about Joe Mullen to Pittsburgh for a 2nd round pick.
>Who did that pick end up being?  Hard to image he has had the impact
>that Mullen has had in Pittsburgh.

The Flames used that pick to draft defenseman Nicolas Perreault, who's still
playing for Michigan State, I believe.  Certainly hasn't had *any* NHL impact.

===============================================================================
GO CALGARY FLAMES!  Mike Vernon for Vezina!  Gary Roberts for Hart and Selke!
GO EDMONTON OILERS!  Go for playoffs!  Dave Manson for Norris!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Pens' Draft Info
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:56:46 GMT

In article <27JAN199310145127@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> inthalw@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Magnus) writes:
>I was wondering if anyone out there could e-mail to me the Pens' draft picks 
>since (and including) the year Bob Errey was drafted (which was '83 I believe)?
>I imagine some of the Pens' fans on the net would have a yearbook or media
>guide or something with this info. If that's too much to ask for, how about 
>just their 1st round picks.

A more general source of this information is the NHL Guide and Record Book,
which has the complete draft list of all the teams.  The NHL Guide and
Record Book is published annually in paperback, and is priced under $20.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: mccubbin@connext.ucs.sfu.ca (Bruce McCubbin)
Subject: Re: Vancouver vs. Buffalo at Copps
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:00:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.225839.8506@ists.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak  
Chhabra) writes:
> I was recently told that the Canucks and Sabres will be playing in Hamilton  
in
> the near future.  Can anyone tell me the date of the game and ticket prices?
> 
The game is on Monday March 1st.  It should draw a good crowd given the 
play of the Canucks this year and the "bad blood" between Hamilton and
Buffalo.  Then there's that Mogilny/Bure hype thing.  Don't know about 
ticket prices.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: more goalie questions
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:02:44 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <Jan18.005815.23772@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, smith@phobos.cira.colostate.edu writes:
> I was also wondering which goaltender was the first to wear a
> mask of any kind, in which year? I remember Cheevers got a great 
> deal of notarity for his "scar-stiches" mask, but I don't believe
> he was actually the first to wear one in the NHL. 

Jacques Plante of the Montreal Canadiens was the first to ever wear a mask in
the NHL. It was sometime in the 50's and Plante was hit flush in the face with
a slapshot off the stick of Andy Bathgate of the Rangers. Plante was the only
goalie the Canadiens had (teams only dressed one goalie in those days) and
after being stitched up he returned to finish the game wearing a crude 
fiberglass mask that he had been toying with in practice. You can see this mask
in the Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto. 

Goaltenders were reluctant to wear masks even for years afterwards. They 
complained that the eyeholes limited peripheral vision.

> As was the case with helmets, did the goalie mask first show up in
> the junior, college or amateur leagues before appearing in the NHL?

It may have, I don't know.

> Last one: Which mask style European cage or the standard "Friday the
> 13th eye-hole model is currently most popular with NHL goaltenders?

There are no goaltenders in the NHL today that wear the "Friday the 13th" 
style mask. There probably hasn't been a goalie that wore a mask like that in
the NHL for the last 10 years. It just doesn't offer enough protection. When 
the puck hits you in the head with one of those old masks, you still get hurt
because the mask doesn't absorb the force. The new helmets absorb the force of 
the puck. Almost all goalies these days wear a combination wire
cage/fibreglass mask that deflects the puck off the mask and consequently
lessens the blow.

								Alan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: John_Carson@mindlink.bc.ca (John Carson)
Subject: Re: Selanne gets thumbs up - MVP not out of reach
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:54:25 GMT

> Glenn Chin writes:
>
> Selanne has shown to be dangerous enough to warrant a shadow in the
> playoffs come April.  Any Flames fan care to speculate who will get that
> role, if anyone?  Paul Ranheim has the speed to keep up with Selanne, but
> perhaps not the strength.
>
> Glenn


That is fine if Winnipeg is playing Calgary. I see Winnipeg going for second
place and being the host to LA KINGS. Calgary if they stay ahead of Edmonton
for fourth will lose to the Canucks.

John
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: 93 NHL Playoff Schedule
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:10:12 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

For those that have not seen them yet, here are the 1993 NHL playoff dates:

(* - if neccessary)

Wales Conference Division Semifinals: April 18, 20, 22, 24, 26*, 28*, 30*

Campbell Conference Division Semifinals: April 19, 21, 23, 25, 27*, 29*, May 1*

Wales Conference Division Finals: May 2, 4, 6, 8, 10*, 12*, 14*

Campbell Conference Division Finals: May 3, 5, 7, 9, 11*, 13*, 15*

Wales Conference Final: May 16, 18, 20, 22, 24*, 26*, 28*

Campbell Conference Final: May 17, 19, 21, 23, 25*, 27*, 29*

Stanley Cup Final: June 1, 3, 5, 7, 9*, 11*, 14*


Yessir, folks. Hockey in June....

								Alan
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From: vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov)
Subject: Re: one-sided trades
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:20:42 GMT

In <2668@blue.cis.pitt.edu> jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald) writes:

>In article <vzhivov.728092228@cunews> vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) writes:
>>The Joe Mullen trade for 2nd Round pick (Nickolas Perreault - the best
>>defenseman in NCAA) is too early to call. Sure Mullen is producing for
>>Pittsburgh right now, but who wouldn't playing as Mario's RW. Mullen
>>will retire soon, while Perreault has a long career ahead of him.

>Joe Mullen is very seldom on Lemieux's line.

>This year, Mario's RW has been Rick Tocchet adn sometimes Jagr.

>Mullen has spent most of his time on Francis' right wing.

OK, sorry; whatever, he's playing with an excellent center. I'm not
saying that Joe Mullen is not a good player (once great), just that a
team like the Flames couldn't afford to keep him - he makes too much
money for their budget, he's too old (they already have an aging right
winger in Makarov), and he wouldn't produce these numbers (point per
game) for the Flames, who lack a play-making center a la Lemieux or
Francis to set him up. By the way, Mullen might be spending most of
his time on the Francis line, but whenever I see highlights of
Mullen's goals they always seem to be set-up by Mario.

                                                  Vlad the Impaler
                                                  GO FLAMES!!!!!!!!









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From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: NHL Realignment Proposed
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 00:23:23 GMT

In article LMARSHA@cms.cc.wayne.edu, LMARSHA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Laurie Marshall) writes:
> 
> This would mean that some American teams would
> have to be placed in the Canadian League.  I can't see this happening.

Precedent:  The Toronto Blue Jays are in the American League.  Now,
compare the historical intelligence of Major League Baseball to that of
the National Hockey League, and I'm sure you'll agree that anything's
possible.

have fun
gak
107/H/3&4

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:29:22 EST
From: <SPW101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Miracle on Ice on VCR?

Does anyone know where I could purchase a copy of the Miracle on Ice from
Lake Placid, NY?  I am looking for the entire games for the weekend (against
the Soviets and then Finland).

Thanks.
Stephen P. Wood
SPW101@psuvm.psu.edu
From: ncjlog@atmos.washington.edu (Neal Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: WHL: Standings & Results - 01/24/93
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:55:36
Organization: Dept. of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: order.atmos.washington.edu
In-reply-to: coulman@cs.Usask.CA's message of 26 Jan 93 17:27:12 GMT

In article <1k3s9gINN4dl@access.usask.ca> 
coulman@cs.Usask.CA (Randy Coulman) writes:

Do you happen to know Valeri Bure's status?

I got somebody to go to a T-Birds game to see him (and Spokane)
play but he wasn't there.  

I didn't hear an announcement stating why.
From: thc@dartmouth.edu (Thomas Cormen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Whalers beat Montreal 6-5
Date: 28 Jan 93 19:22:36 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1993Jan28.164548.14502@scott.skidmore.edu> mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok) writes:

   Last night, the Whalers beat Montreal in the forum 6-5.  Pat Verbeek
   scored the game winner with only 43 seconds remaining.  As the puck
   slid along the boards, Roy went behind his goal to slow it down, only
   to find Verbeek beat him to it.  Verbeek beat Roy to the front of the
   goal and slammed it home into the empty net.  It was Hartford's first
   road victory since they beat the Canadiens in Montreal in late
   December.  Hartford improved to 3-8 in one goal games.  Yvon Corriveau
   (reacquired from San Jose), Patrick Poulin, Nick Kypreos also tallied
   for Hartford.

Doesn't that make two empty netters by Vergeek against les Habs in the
past week?  One for the Whale, one for les Habs...

Tom Cormen
Goaltender at large
I may be small and slow, but I play the angles poorly.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: kellerjb@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jeffrey Keller)
Subject: Re: NHL Realignment Proposed
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:07:23 GMT

In article <93026.230258RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <C1HD3A.G88@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, kellerjb@sage.cc.purdue.edu
>(Jeffrey Keller) says:
>>Here is the NHL's latest realignment plan, currently under consideration:
>>*'s are next to teams who would be switching divisions and new teams:
>> ADAMS          PATRICK        NORRIS         SMYTHE
>> -------------  -------------  -------------  -------------
>> Boston        *Miami          Chicago       *Anaheim
>> Buffalo        New Jersey     Detroit        Calgary
>> Hartford       N Y Islanders  Minnesota      Edmonton
>> Montreal       N Y Rangers   *Pittsburgh     Los Angeles
>> Ottawa         Philadelphia   St. Louis      San Jose
>> Quebec        *Tampa Bay     *Winnipeg       Vancouver
>>*Toronto        Washington
>Yeah I saw this in today's USA Today and I think it's bunch of @#$%!!!
>As a season ticket holder of the Penguins, I want to see the Rangers, Devils,
>Capitals, Islanders, and Flyers 7-9 times a year.  I don't want to see the
>Blues, Blackhakws, Jets, etc.  People in Pittsburgh raised hell and threatened
>to cancel their season tickets when the Penguins sucked about 7 years back and
>wanted to move to the Norris.  Each division plays its own style of hockey.
>Put Anaheim in the Smythe and Miami in the Norris (gives that division someone
>to beat up on) is my proposal.  Leave everything else alone.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>** Robbie Po **                        GO PENS  - 3 for 3 in '93!!!

The problem with moving Miami to the Norris is that Miami and Tampa Bay wouldn't
be in the same division.  I can see your point about wanting to see Patrick
division teams, but wouldn't a Pittsburgh/Chicago/Detroit/St.Louis divisional
playoff be awesome?

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: hunt7551@mach1.wlu.ca (len hunt 9208 U)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Vancouver vs. Buffalo at Copps
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:53:21 GMT
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University

In article <1993Jan27.114656.1984@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
>In <1993Jan26.100044.1776@sfu.ca> mccubbin@connext.ucs.sfu.ca writes:
>
>> In article <1993Jan25.225839.8506@ists.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak  
>> Chhabra) writes:
>> > I was recently told that the Canucks and Sabres will be playing in Hamilton  
>> in
>> > the near future.  Can anyone tell me the date of the game and ticket prices?
>> > 
>> The game is on Monday March 1st.  It should draw a good crowd given the 
>> play of the Canucks this year and the "bad blood" between Hamilton and
>> Buffalo.  Then there's that Mogilny/Bure hype thing.  Don't know about 
>> ticket prices.  
>
>The Hamiltonians had better suppress their dislike for the Sabres and show up
>for the game if they want an expansion team. Boycotting the last Sabres game
>was incredibly stupid, it only gave the countless NHL governors
>that are against the city another reason to turn down Hamilton's bid for a team.
>
>MARCU$

It is obvious that you don't have a f#@&ing clue about the situation and
feeling in Hamilton towards the Buffalo Sabres.  There is an absolute
hatred for the Buffalo franchise which ordered the NHL to refuse Hamilton
and accept an Ottawa team that was no where near prepared for a franchise.
If anyone wants to make anything out of the attendance figures for these
neutral site games they should look at the NHL's schedule maker.  In fact,
the person who decided to have Buffalo play twice and Ottawa once in
Hamilton should be fired.  I don't think you can hang these attendance
disasters on the people of Hamilton.  What's the difference anyways the NHL
is NEVER going to give Hamilton the franchise they deserved.  Even if
Hamilton went to move an existing franchise, their prospects for success
would be quite small.  Hopefully, one day we can repay Buffalo by blocking
any bid by them for a Major League Baseball franchise.

Len,
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: VBHARGAVA@Meena.CC.URegina.CA (Bhargava, Vipin k)
Subject: Re: Fan on ice (was Re: Wrong puck in net?)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:54:26 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

In <C17JJw.LG3@acsu.buffalo.edu> hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu writes:

> In article <1993Jan20.221109.336241@sue.cc.uregina.ca> VBHARGAVA@Meena.CC.URegina.CA (Bhargava, Vipin k) writes:
> >In <1993Jan19.202647.22022@pilot.dmg.ml.com> persico@orestes.sysdev.dmg.ml.com writes:
> 
> >> Not to be to sanctimonious but anyone interfering with any game should
> >> be procesuted to the extent of the local law.  The fan's place is in the
> >> stands.
> >> 
> >> Matthew O. Persico	
> 
> >Speaking of which, a couple of years ago (last year, perhaps?) a fan came 
> >out onto the ice in Quebec.  The linesman went after him and gave him a 
> >good check (best one of the year! :-) ).  I had heard there was a lawsuit
> >pending.  Is this true, and what was the outcome?
> >
> >Vip
> 
> Unless Quebec fans are more unbalanced than the rest of North America,
> I believe that the incident you recall was Quebec vs Buffalo, and that
> the fan jumped the glass, landed in the Buffalo bench.  Rob Ray then
> set to punching the fan into oblivion (you could see the stars and
> canaries just like in the Warner Bros. cartoons).  The fan was
> arrested. I'd heard he was going to sue, but decided not to because he
> didn't belong on the ice in the first place and that pretty much took 
> all the merit out of his case.  The incident occurred last season, the
> fan was highly intoxicated, and jumped the boards on a dare.  The
> referee didn't do much but escort the fan off the ice to waiting
> security officers, though.
> 
> -- 
> Valerie Hammerl 	       John Sr. would lift Pat over the boards, grab 
> hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu       his hand, and start running around the outside,
> V085PWPZ@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU  faster and faster.  "I wanted to learn how to 
> get that feeling, and the only way was to learn how to skate."  P. LaFontaine

I distinctly remember a fan being hit by the linesman, just can't remember
how long ago.

Vip
From: nmcglynn@buffalo.axion.bt.co.uk (Neil A. McGlynn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: UK-HOCKEY : Heineken Results and Tables (Jan 25 93)
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:18:03 GMT
Reply-To: nmcglynn@axion.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Labs
Organisation: BT Laboratories, Martlesham Heath, IPSWICH UK

Premier Division (36 game schedule)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  Billingham Bombers  7-5 Bracknell Bees
         Fife Flyers  9-4 Whitley Warriors
Peterborough Pirates  4-9 Durham Wasps
 Nottingham Panthers 10-4 Murrayfield Racers
      Cardiff Devils 15-6 Peterborough Pirates
        Durham Wasps  5-3 Bracknell Bees
 Humberside Seahawks  4-2 Fife Flyers
    Whitley Warriors 11-4 Murrayfield Racers

                      P  W  L D  GF  GA Pt       %	P
Cardiff Devils       22 17  4 1 207 112 35	79.5	1
Murrayfield Racers   24 14  9 1 211 182 29	60.4	2
Fife Flyers          27 13 14 0 158 169 26	48.2	5
Humberside Seahawks  22 12 10 0 129 125 24	54.5	3
Bracknell Bees       25 11 12 2 139 132 24	48.0	6
Whitley Warriors     26 12 14 0 184 220 24	46.2	7
Nottingham Panthers  22 10 10 2 162 166 22	50.0	4
Durham Wasps         23 10 12 1 149 146 21	45.7	8
Billingham Bombers   26  9 14 3 193 233 21	40.4	9
Peterborough Pirates 23  7 16 0 142 186 14	30.4   10


Division One (32 game schedule)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Basingsytoke Beavers 27-2  Lee Valley Lions
  Sheffield Steelers  6-6  Milton Keynes Kings
    Swindon Wildcats  4-12 Romford Raiders
      Telford Tigers  2-6  Slough Jets
    Lee Valley Lions  4-13 Romford Raiders
        Medway Bears 13-10 Telford Tigers
    Swindon Wildcats 11-5  Milton Keynes Kings


                       P  W D  L  GF  GA  P
 Basingstoke Beavers  22 20 1  1 273  97 41
 Sheffield Steelers   21 14 3  4 207 133 31
 Milton Keynes Kings  21 12 4  5 189 118 28
 Swindon Wildcats     22 10 2 10 154 177 22
 Telford Tigers       22  7 4 11 151 167 18
 Medway Bears         20  7 2 11 125 157 16
 Slough Jets          20  6 3 11 115 147 15
 Romford Raiders      20  6 2 12 144 159 14
 Lee Valley Lions     24  2 1 19 130 333  5


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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Coffey to be traded?
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:28:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: adobe.1993Jan26.172858.3128
Distribution: na
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <2B647E8D.2789@news.service.uci.edu> assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site) writes:
>I hope McNall has learned his lesson -- repeat after me --
>"You CANNOT BUY A STANLEY CUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Sure you can.  You just have to actually buy good players with your money,
not try to buy up a team that was good 5 years ago.  

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
Organization: Sophomore, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:58:55 -0500 
From: Paul Andrew Platosh <pp21+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Jim Sandlak and other misc things

>as well as Domi... :-) I figure that I should get some entertainment
>for a night of having to put up with a terrible Hartford team...

Oh, you poor baby...I'm crying for you, really I am.

Paul Platosh
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:22:38 -0500 
From: Nathan Robert Peters <np22+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: What's the record?

>I'm just listening to the hockey game now and the Penguins thanks to goals by
>Murphy, Stevens, and another one by Stevens have just scored 3 goals in just
>29 seconds!!! What is the record with this?  I doubt this is a reord, but it
>may be a team record.
>** Rob **

It's not a team record either, unfortunately.
The Pens scored three back in 1974,  I think, in a span of 23 seconds. 
Can't remember who though, sorry.

-Nate

Go Pens!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: weaver@ocean.seaoar.uvic.ca (Andrew Weaver)
Subject: Re: Wendell CLark
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, UCLA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 06:32:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.143757.13337@clark.dgim.doc.ca> dave@clark.dgim.doc.ca (Dave Thompson) writes:
>In the January 17th game against Chicago, Wendell got hurt I think in the
>rib cage. Did he play against the BLues last night? If not, what is his
>status? Thanks.
>
>Dave Thompson
>

Any update on his status?
Andrew Weaver
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: More Arena Stuff/CALGARY
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:48:54 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <C1G254.3MC@cpsc.ucalgary.ca>, layfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Colin Layfield) writes:
> In article <1993Jan25.154917.3098@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
>>The NHL will never change to the international surface though. The Flames can
>>charge about $40 a ticket for those front row seats. Losing 2000 of them means
>>losing over $80,000 in ticket revenue per game, or over $3.5 million Cdn per
>>year not counting playoffs. (When prices go up)
> 
> I'm interested to see how you figure that the larger ice size will make the
> flames lose 2000 more seats.  It think it's a little drastic to say that 10% of
> the saddledome seating will be lost to that.

I know this is going to be a little simplistic, but I'll try to explain it in
such a way that people who don't know what the Saddledome looks like can 
understand my reasoning as well.

The 'Dome has three decks. Lower bowl, upper bowl, and loge (nosebleeds). The
loge seats were added prior to the 1987-88 season, in preparation for the
Olympics. Before 1987-88, the capacity of the 'Dome was 16,673. The capacity
today is 20,214. There are ~15 rows of loge seats, and ~45 rows of the regular
bowl seats. (My season tickets are row 39, and there are about five rows above
me before the next deck). 

So, there are 16,600 or so seats in 45 rows in the bowl. (Can't count the loge
seats because they don't go all the way around the building) That's an AVERAGE 
of ~370 or so seats per row. I know that there are more seats in row 2 than 
there are in row 1 and so on, but I'm not a mathematician and I'm not going to 
work out the exact formula. I estimate the larger ice surface would cost the
Saddledome about five rows. Multiply that by 370 and you get 1850. So, my
original estimate of 2000 seats was probably a bit high. Let's make it 1500
instead. Sound better?

								Alan