From: iikkap@mits.mdata.fi (Iikka Paavolainen)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: iq<->religion: connection?
Date: 30 Dec 92 13:14:18 GMT
Distribution: world,public
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland

In article <1992Dec30.011237.23129@arden.linet.org> joeb@arden.linet.org (Joe Beiter) writes:
>In article <1992Dec29.141114.11620@prime.mdata.fi> iikkap@mits.mdata.fi (Iikka Paavolainen) writes:
>>
>>I don't have a study I've made. And this is not a debate/argument.
>>You can't have one unless you've made a thesis, can you?
>>
>
>Then *I* stand corrected. You came across like you had made some kind of
>formal study.  From my viewpoint, anyone that can confidently state that they
>know enough about the universe to conclude there is no God is anything but
>intelligent.  I mean no offence by that but I'm sure you can empathize with
>my reaction to your statement.

Yes. After all you read the nth generation messages, which had gone out of
topic quite badly.

>
>
>>>
>>>>>Where is your statistical study of this area of intelligence?
>>>>
>>>>On my desk.
>>>
>>
>>See above.
>
>Not to beat a dead horse but first you say you have a study.. then you don't.
>.... just pointing it out... I'll assume you were goading for reactions.

Yes, I have a study, but not my own. And second, the topic of the study isn't
exactly the same as this topic, so it's only a source.

>
>
>>By stranglehold I mean that nearly everyone is a believer and no one else
>>to go to for other opinions.
>
>nonsense.  You may be able to say this for folks from the Middle Ages where
>the Roman Catholic Church practically ruled Europe but not in this age.
>A Islamic or Communist country *maybe* but not the 'West'.  Anyone who has
>not seeked other opinions has not done so by pure choice (stupidly I might
>add).  I don't know about your country but here the majority of people read
>and have a wealth of ALL types of literature at their fingertips regardless
>of how rich or dirt poor they are.

Where I live, I have met only a few atheists. Thus, I find it hard to talk
to someone with differing views.

>
>>>So if the proof is insufficiant then their intelligence has little bearing on
>>>their grip on reality.  You do not have sufficiant proof that there is no
>>>God so I find intelligence (or lack of) has little bearing on the valid-
>>>ity of any religion (much less Jesus Christ).
>>>                                                          ^
>>                                                           |
>>2) This was meant as a poll for opinions, NOT an argument  |
>                                                            |
>    Ok.. that is my opinion then ----------------------------

Yes, but you have to substantiate it/say what made you think so.

>
>>>
>>>pssst! Your ego is hanging out all over the place.
>>
>>As is your attitude.
>
>tou-che'  :-)
>
>
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