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From: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Who'd make a goo Who?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 07:07:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa634@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill White)
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In a previous article, morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu () says:

>
>If you want a really gooey Dr Who, I would recommend the Pillsbury 
>dough-boy, but he might have a binding contract.
>
>I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that.
>
>Actually I am not sorry I said it, but to answer your intended question, at 
>least what I think your intended question was, who'd make a good Doctor - 
>let's see how about the regulars - Jeremy Brett, Jack Nicholson, Michael 
>Keaton (NOT!), Mike Meyers (Excellent!), John Lithgow, Christopher Lloyd, 
>Denholm Elliot, Rowan Atkinson (who would name their child Rowan?), Hugh 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It's a bit late for Denholm. Unfortunately he passed away about a
month ago.

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From: morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Quiz10 Answers and the BIG FINALE
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:01:50 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <0X50TB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:

[100 point do-or-die question deleted....]

The above question (not posted here) definately proves that there is some 
hope yet for those of us (including me) who are anally retentive....

Follow-up questions - if all the rows in all of Tom Bakers scarves were added 
to all of the different stalks of celery used in Peter Davison's 
productions, divided by the number of gallons (oops, better make it liters, 
or litres or whatever) of latex used in the constuction of aliens, taken to 
the power of the number of whiskers in the Brigadier's mustache, and added 
to the decibels of Mel's, Jo Grant's, Sarah-Jane's, Harry's, and Susan's 
shrieks were calculated, and multiplied by the yearly budget for the 
white-out used in the production of DW scripts, you would get....

A headache - but I'm sure someone has already calculated it... Dave?

Later

Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan

AR people of the Universe unite!  Count yourselves, and everyone else, 
and...
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: TARDISy things
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:53:07 GMT

Yes, that says "TARDISy things" since I'm talking about things related to
the TARDIS. As you'll see in another article, I went through Shada in a lot
of detail. I noticed two uncommon TARDISy things (both in ep. #6):

1) The Doctor enters the TARDIS without going through the door. I thought this
was clearly impossible in other stories. Perhaps the biggest difference is that
the TARDIS is in the time vortex and he entering with the aid of another TARDIS
in the time vortex. I guess that's ok...? Now that I think about it, the
TARDIS has materialized inside the Master's TARDIS (or vice versa) before,
so maybe it is ok. Perhaps the force field is involved.

2) The professor's TARDIS materializes IN A WALL of the Krarg Carrier Ship
in the form of a door. I thought it was pretty evident that the TARDIS could
materialize around things but not in them. The fact that it occurs in a wall
comes straight out of the script (since it's not in the video then it's not
canon, right!?).

Tom
From: echristo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Elena A Christofides)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Limits on TARDIS travel (Was Re: The Doctor is...)
Date: 15 Nov 92 17:37:47 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

Re: Limits on the Tardis
> If the Timelords are only allowed to travel back to Gallifrey in their "now"
time space, then how is it that in the episodes "The Trial of the Timelord," a 
future regeneration of the Doctor was able to come back in time to be the 
adjudicator at the Doctor's trial? This especially violates the rule that 
different regenerations of Timelords are not allowed to cross each others paths 
in the same space-time continuem. Would someone please tell me how this is 
possible? By the way, I'm a new Whovian, so don't burn me on this question - 
I'm only trying to catch up to the rest of you.

                               Thanks, Elena
From: jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: colin years
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:18:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bxruy6.M2M
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley)) writes:

>In <1992Nov15.4153.14168@dosgate> daniel.bishop@canrem.com (daniel bishop) writes:

>>I hate to be contrary, but there is at least an inch of the "missing
>>season".  In "The Making of Doctor Who", a special which was broadcast
>>on PBS oh, maybe 1984 or 5, a scene was included from "The Nightmare
>>Fair" where the Sixth Doctor and Peri are on a rollercoaster. 

>WHAAAAAATTTTTT???????????????????????

>Impossible!!!!! The series was pulled by Michael Grade before Season 22
>had finished airing... The missing season wasn't due to be made for months...
>I don't know what it was you saw, but it couldn't be from TNF....
>(Unless I'm seriously, seriously wrong on this, which I don't think
>I am...)

>Anyone?

   I agree totally with Daniel. There was no filming whatsoever for the now
   deceased season of Colin Baker.
   However, it is documented that location recees were made, especially at
   Blackpool, and even in Singapore (where the supposed Auton story was to have
   been set.
   The clip of Colin and Nicola was from Blackpool, *but* this was just a promo
   for the DR WHO exhibition that ran there, NOT for filming of the Nightmare
   Fair. Colin had only just taken the role.

   I hope that clears up a few problems.
   Jason.

>--
>|       //              |------Daniel O'Malley--domalley@unix1.tcd.ie------|
>|   ===//  ===    ===   |---"In the beginning, the universe was created.---|
>| //  // //  // //  //  |-This has made a lot of people angry and has been-|
>|  ==//   ==// //  //   |--widely regarded as a bad move.":Douglas Adams.--|
From: maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: from where to who?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 14:56:25 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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In article <92324.112455IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>Dear anyone.....
>Has it ever occured to any of you the sort of mystery around
>our favourite Time Lord's name?   #1- where did the "Doctor"
>come into the picture ? - With William Hartnell's charecter
>promoting himself as a Professor of strange sorts?, #2- and
>what about the "who" ?, I can only recall two instances from
>the Tom Baker era where it was ever questioned, but it was
>more of a joke than anything else....
	The Doctor was first sort-of referred to as Doctor
Who in 'An Unearthly Child' when Ian is told he is not Doctor
Foreman. 'Doctor Who?' he asks. Since then there have been
numerous similar plays on the Doctor's name, but the only
definite mention of him as 'Doctor Who' in the series was
in 'The War Machines' where Wotan and his followers referred
to him as such.
	Two other points: First, he has of course been
called 'Doctor Who' in books, comics and, most noticeably,
in the end titles of all stories up to 'Logopolis'. Secondly,
from 'The Mysterious Planet' we definetly know that the
Doctor DOES have a second name, and is not 'The Doctor'.
	Oh, and thirdly (?), he has also been referred to
by the following names:
	Doctor Foreman
	Doctor Caligari
	Doctor John Smith
	Theta Sigma
	The Valeyard
	and has a '?' emblem as his calling (in
'Rembrance Of The Daleks' at least)...
					Jonathan Morris
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Shada Script
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:28:32 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) wrote:
>Does anyone have a script to Shada they could (a) mail me, (b) E-mail me, or
>(c) post?  I'd be eternally grateful as I know so little about it.

(d) tell me where I can buy it myself?

Ok. (d).... This is an old post that someone else posted. If the keeper of
the FAQ is reading, I think this should be entered (or has it been - I guess
I better read it again).

Tom

-----

It has been posted here that CBS/Fox won't include, with the SHADA
tapes they release for sale in the U.S., the SHADA script book
which is included with copies of the video sold in the U.K.  That's
apparently quite true; however, yesterday I spoke with the folks
at S&J Productions (aka Science Fiction Continuum) in New Jersey,
and was told that they've just negotiated a deal to purchase the
script books separately!

As soon as CBS/Fox releases the SHADA video (scheduled for early
October), S&J Productions will begin selling the following SHADA
materials for the prices listed, which don't include postage:

     Video (only):    $19.99
     Script (only):   $10.99
     Video w/script:  $28.99

At the same time they'll begin selling TOMB OF THE CYBERMEN,
THE PERTWEE YEARS, and CAVES OF ANDROZANI.

They now also have in stock the BBC Film Club videos, SUMMONED
BY SHADOWS (starring Colin, Nicola, and Michael Wisher) and
MORE THAN A MESSIAH (starring Colin, Nicola, and Sophie) for
$19.99 each (again, not including postage).  They're also
offering a package deal:  SUMMONED and MESSIAH together for $34.99,
plus postage!

Call them at (800) 232-6002 (or write to S&J Productions, Inc.,
P.O. Box 154, Colonia, NJ 07067) for more information and/or to
place an order.  FYI, they mentioned that their postage rates are:
$4 for one tape, $6 for two tapes, plus approx. $1.50 for each
additional tape.  Also, they said that in a couple of weeks their
new 64-page catalog of books and videos (Doctor Who, B7, Black Adder
and much more) will be ready for mailing.

DISCLAIMER:  I'm not affiliated with S&J Productions in any way
other than as a potential customer.  I just thought some of you
might be interested in this info.

Laurie Yadon
Coordinator/Editor, The Baker Connection
Colin Baker's American fan club since 1987
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: ytv address
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:39:31 EST

 There was a request for YTV's address. Here it is...

YTV Canada, Inc.
64 Jefferson Ave.
Unit 18
Toronto, Ont.
M6K 3H3

tele: (416) 534-1191

Regards,
Dale Clayton
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: The Master
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:34:56 GMT

yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) wrote:
>The best Master to date, Roger Delgado.

That's your opinion. Even though I agree with it, it is still an opinion.

>The 2 other portrayals, Peter Pratt and Geoffrey Beevers, tried there best, but
>could not capture the essential Master that Delgado had developped.

You can hardly count these guys in a comparison.

>And now to Anthony Ainley, who from the start did his best to fill the
>footsteps of Delgado, but fell short.  The TCE is used more that hypnosis.
>Instead of being the Delgado diplomat-like billain, a more directly ruthless
>butcherer who kill and annihalate, rather than the ruthless person who would
>usurp by conviction.

Perhaps the TCE (maybe you should fill in the new readers with your
abbreviations - I forget what it stands for but I know what you are talking
about) is AA's trademark just as hypnosis was RD's. Each Doctor has a different
trademark of sorts. Perhaps AA's different attitude can be attributed to his
end-of-his-set-of-regenerations insanity? Of course, it's only speculation.

Finally, if we gave AA the number of stories that RD had and more importantly
the quality of the stories, we might see what kind of Master that AA portrays.
The Master isn't the main character anyway, so why emphasize him? The bad guy
should never be explained fully so that he always has a surprise in store for
the audience.

Tom
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: markc@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: When does Gallifrey exist? 
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:02:12 GMT

I lost the name of the poster of this:

>Well, this is not something I am clear on. If Gallifrey did exist in our
>time, what's stopping a spaceship from just heading on over there and
>taking it over? And Sutek recognizing the TimeLords proves only that
>there are many renegades who make their presence known throughout time
>and space.

Well as Steve has pointed out in a recent debate which we will not resume,
Gallifrey has rather sophisticated defences. In the Two Doctors,
Dastari tells the Servalan Androgum that the TLs have "powers we haven't
even dreamed of". I think any race would think long and hard before 
attacking them.

Sutekh's recognising the Time Lords means more than this by the way. He says
after the Doctor gives Gallifrey's coordinates (10 0 11, 0 0 by 02 from 
Galactic zero centre if memory serves), Sutekh says "it seems this planet is
known to me". 

>I would appreciate anyone's input on just when Gallifrey exists!

There is a lot of circumstancial evidence on this.

In Image of the Fendahl, the doctor says the TLs time looped the 5th planet
12 million years ago.

In the Hand of Fear, Eldrad, who had been banished 150 million years ago,
regards the TLs as a semi legendary race who have achieved extraordinary
things in dimensional engineering.

In Time Flight, the Xeraphin seem to be aware of the TLs, this is about
contemportary with Eldrad.

In City of Death, Scaroth whose ship exploded in 400million BC according
to the show (which is bizzare because the show says the explosion created
life on Earth, and life on Earth is at least 3400million years older than
that. Plus there was an atmosphere on the earth which is odd since life
is believed to have converted the primitive atmosphere into the oxygen rich
one we have today -at least for a little while longer. Maybe the explosion 
sparked the Cambrian explosion, or they meant 4000million BC?) knows of
the TLs.

The non canon source Love and War, makes it clear that the TLs had the power
to create Time loops when the Earth was still forming.

Finally, In Genesis of the Daleks, the Time Lord who meets the Doctor on 
ancient Skaro, remarks casually that the TLs had superceded primitive 
technology like Transmat beams when the Universe was less than half its
present size.

I think we can safely conclude from this that the TLs and Gallifrey have
been around for countless millions of years. In TOATL, the Doctor remarks
that the Time Lords have gone through ten million years of decay,
and says that races like the Sonatrans, Daleks and Cybermen are still
in the nurserey compared to them. Further he says the TLs are the oldest
civilisation. I don't think Rassilon came from earth!

Mark C.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: Dave Horlick <drh2@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Limits on TARDIS travel (Was Re: The Doctor is...)
X-Xxdate: Fri, 20 Nov 92 14: 58:25 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: drh2@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:55:28 GMT

In article <2518@grivel.une.edu.au> Michael O'Rourke,
morourk@neumann.une.edu.au writes:
>Actually, the big-bang did not start with a hydrogen inrush, I think
they're
>refering to the start of the galaxy ('though I'm not even sure that this
>started with a hydrogen inrush either).

No, the TARDIS was heading towards Event One, the beginning of the
universe. It seemed like a hydrogen inrush only because they were moving
backwards thru time. What really was going on was hydrogen was spreading
out very very fast.
From: wr001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (william e raftery)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Who'd make a goo Who?
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:10:59 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1992Nov17.220530.11040@mail.cornell.edu> drh2@cornell.edu (Dave Horlick) writes:
>In article <Bxv6xA.s3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> stevens jason,
>jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>> ANOTHER MAJOR PROBLEM IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THESE SUGGESTED ARE
>AMERICAN.
>> SORRY, BUT THE DOCTOR IS A BRIT, BE IT BY TRADITION OR JUST PLAIN ACTING
>> ABILITY.
>> THE CASTING OF AN AMERICAN TO THE ROLE IS THE CLOSEST THING TO
>HERESY...BEWARE
>> THE ODD FLASH OF LIGHTNING!!!
>
>Yeah yeah. And Peri is such a convincing American. What's the difference?

	When you look at it, Peri may have been a preety good American at
that. She was great for the fish-out-of-water bits, had the brain power of a
gerbil (I apologize to all offended gerbils) and of ocurse as someone
pointed out earlier was bouncing around all over the place with no support.
Peri just needed a Californian Valley-girl airhead voice, and it would have
been perfect. 

>Would the doctor approve of such silly national distinctions? Frankly,
>I'd like to see him played by James Earl Jones.
	
	Amen to that. I have been a huge James Earl Jones fan since watching
Dr. Strangelove. JEJ would be an excellent Doctor IMHO.

Bill
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,
Subject: Re: Your firsts
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 06:17:32 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada


- <IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
-
- > I would like to hear how some of my fellow "Whovians" were
- > first introduced into the series - It was quite a powerfull
- > experience for me (or as powerfull as a child might imagine!)
- > when I watched "Genesis of The Daleks" on channel 2. It was
- > the best show I'd ever seen ! - The mystery of the whole series
- > was a joy to unravel, to get to know the doctor and his interesting
- > happenings. In short - it's the last Televison show I'll watch!
- > But anyway, I'd like to hear from anyone on this...
- >
- >
- >    Scorby...
- >
-

  My turn to try.   Being a British-born and partially raised there Doctor Who,
 Tops of the Pops, David Frost, Match of the Day, et al are undisputably
are some of the things that British television classically British!  But enough
flag wvaing.

  The first Doctor Who I could have seen might have been 'The Seeds of Death'.
I lived in Britain up till 'The Time Monster'.

  I got reacquainted with the show in 1984 when I accidentally ran over it on
PBS Spokane showing 'The Invisible Enemy'.

  Sincethen, I have got EVERY SINGLE ARCHIVED Episodes!

And then there is the time I got introduced to the net and r.a.dw, but that's
another story.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
American (n) - A person resident or born on the Continient of America
From: kausch@med.umich.edu (David Kausch)
Subject: Re: What's a Doctor Who ?
Originator: kausch@jameson.math.lsa.umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan, Mathematics Department, Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:50:30 GMT


In article <1egcucINNpn1@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, goodrich@lynx.larc.nasa.gov (Mike Goodrich) writes:
|> 
|> Greetings,
|> 
|> 	I'm completely new to Dr. Who and have just begun to watch
|> it on the SciFi channel. Could anyone give me the short summary of
|> who/what Dr. Who is, what a 'Dalek' is, etc. so I can get my bearings
|> straight and appreciate the discussion threads going on ? Thanx...
|> 
|> ...mike


Ah, this should be fun.  Let's start with Daleks.  Daleks are the most evil,
destructive, insensitive, war-loving race in the universe, naturally a good 
topic for exciting episodes.  They were "created" by the evil scientist Davros
in a lab specifically for their war-like survival instinct.  Davros, being a
genius, wanted to create the most powerful race which would beat out all other
races in the universe.  The puzzling thing is he put these "supreme" creatures
in robotic bodies that have a tendancy to fall off cliffs, down stairs, run
into walls, spin helplessly in circles when their single "eye-piece" is covered
(usually by the doctors hat) and could not possibly climb the simplest
stairse.  Highly advanced, as you can see.  Plus they have a remarkably limited
vocabulary of such catchy phrases as, "DO NOT MOVE," and "EXTERMINATE!" 
But for clarity just think of them as Saddam Hussein: EVIL! EVIL! EVIL! EVIL!
right?  (Sorry about the political digression)

As for the Doctor......I'll leave that one for the professionals.


p. de terre
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: c8643631@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Mr Flibble)
Subject: Re: Ace? More like deuce... here's a new slant
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:23:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.175103.18475@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik) writes:
> In <torresce.721663632@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres) writes:
> 
>>ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
> 
>>>Here's a new slant on this Drew.  Did you like Leela?  
>>>I can recall someone near me at a convention calling Ace "a modern-day
>>>Earth version of Leela,"  and thinking that that did apply well.
>>>What do you lot think, not just Drew.
> 
>>I don't think Ace is anything like Leela.  Leela is a warrior.  She has both
>>strength and hunter skills and is fearless.  Ace to me is a brat who somehow
>>becomes fearless and somehow at a young age got off of Earth and had so-o-o
>>much experience within a short period of time, that she fears no Daleks/Cybermen
>>nor anything, except some stupid mild childhood trauma that she went thru when 

Mild childhood trauma? Having her best friend firebombed by some thugs? 
That's mild. Gee, I'd hate to find out what you think is slightly severe.


>>she was a child involving ghosts and haunted houses -  which she overcomes and 
>>shows no change for it.  Oops!  Didn't mean for that to come out as strong as it
>>did.  Calm down, put your flamethrowers away!   So I exaggerated a little 
>>bit...  :)  But the brat part is true!
>>	Mystic
>>(alex.soto@analog.com)
> 
> YES!!!  SOMEONE WITH SENSE!!!
> 
> Drewcifer