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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:15:55 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: List wars

Don't send the mail to LITERARY, send it to Tim.  I know this guy, and
that message is typical of his style.  Why make the whole list suffer?

Evelyn Duncan
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:48:24 EDT
Reply-To:     Graham Toal <gtoal@ed.ac.uk>
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      RE: fuzzy headed distortionn
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On Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:40:47 CDT, "Anne BWP Harwell" <aharwell@panam1.panam.edu>
 wrote:
> Thank you sisterwoman, thank you very much indeed. Didn't ANYONE catch that
>  gubert is
> using another logical fallacy, the ad hominem attack, in labeling me a liberal
>  and

No, I think calling you a liberal was a deliberate insult intended to
provoke you :)

G
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:32:55 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Aren't we discussing politics?
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              21 Aug 1992 11:24:56 EST from <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

On Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:24:56 EST Entropy Warrior said:
>>>Please explain.
>>
>>I can't quite explain it...something to do with...I don't know exactly..
>>
>>-abh
>
>Ahh.  *That* explains everything.
>
>-Mka

    sounds to me as if both obfuscating speakers are working on their
lawyer-speak.....

dan...a definite non-lawyer
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:22:20 EDT
From:         Rashmi Murthy <rashmi@CBIS.ECE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Free Press strikes again...
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              Aug 12, 92 3:01 pm

>
> Whoever it was I was talking to recently about 'Jennifer'... (was in abh?)
> I see it finally hit your press.  (The scandal broke over here *many*
> months ago when the story was reported in Private Eye - it's been sat on
> and spin-doctored over in the land of the free for months since then.)
>
> G

_Spy_ magazine ran this story a while ago.  According to the article,
'Jennifer' has known Bush since he was Ambassador to China, and "their
liasion" was an open secret.

At least, she spells her name right ...

rashmi
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:05:00 LCL
From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject: RE: Gender
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     (I <really> HAVE to go HOME now...)

>it's nonsense to say that sexism is "embedded" (certain
>possibilities there) in the language, as if the language exists
>"out there" someplace objectively for sexism or anything else to
>be embedded in.

     You acknowledged earlier that the use of he/his arose because the
     people who were in a position to make decisions about language
     were men.  It wasn't arbitrary, nobody flipped a coin; this usage
     exists today because of the misogynist attitudes in effect when
     the language was being formed.  Those attitudes still have the
     power to affect people's perceptions, as I was trying to point
     out in my Neanderthal man illustration (which I <hope> you have
     read by now).

     The left-hand-side of the highway argument is interesting but not
     analogous.  The original cause for that custom has been buried so
     deeply by time that few even know about it (I didn't, for
     example).  But you don't have to be a philologist to recognize
     that "all men are created equal" has two meanings -- one of which
     has a strong flavor of irony.

I have to say that in high school or whenever
I read or heard the sentence for the first time, it was obvious
to me that "all men" *meant* [womeant ?!?] all folk who walk on
                            (^^^^^^^^^^^^^)
two legs and are ungrateful (thanks Fyodor).

     ("Womeant" is even stupider than those tired jokes about
     personhole covers.)

     The point is not that I don't understand what "all men" is
     supposed to mean.  The point is that this usage was caused by,
     and helps to perpetuate, the notion that the only important
     people are male.  If we don't believe this anymore (and we don't,
     right Mka?), let's change the language to reflect what we do
     believe.

>Would you say
>that because "person" in the Constitution did not include black
>people that it is now racist to use person in connection with
>someone who is black?

     If the word for "person" were "white," I would indeed call it
     racist to use that term for someone who is black.

     ...<Really> sorry to be leaving now.  I'm counting on the Words-L
     All-Amazon Assault Force to carry on without me...

     Carol
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:46:16 MED
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: Let's try this again, shall we?
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na, I don't have to watch my back from Giggles...
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:28:15 +0200
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Self-correcting (why not try proofing?)
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              14 Aug 92 06:19:38 -0500. <9208141122.AA18295@sics.se>

  Doris says:

  >while leading them to the font (trough?) of knowledge.

  Haha! "trough" is exactly right. Pearls before swine!
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:20:44 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      RE: On Gender and Such
              18 Aug 1992 08:53:15 EDT from <ELAINE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>

On Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:53:15 EDT Elaine M Brennan said:

>When I hear/read "man," whether meant as non-gender specific or not,
>my experience has been that I do *not* feel included in that
>group;  I can *understand* that someone meant the term to be
>inclusive, even while *my* feelings and experience indicate that
>it is not.  I would object to my and Carol's and I suspect others'
>*experience* of this phenomena being labelled "wilful misreading",
>but would prefer to have it viewed as a valid reading -- different
>from your experience, but equally present.  I would argue that given
>that women's experience in this society often is to be excluded,
>whether explicitly or implicitly, our reading of "man" as exclusive
>is as objectively "out there" as yours to read "man" inclusively.

And of course there's lots of survey evidence that indicates that
many (perhaps most) men interpret the inclusive use exclusively too.

Hofstadter quotes some nice examples, e.g.:

You don't see sentences like "Man is the only mammal who does not always
suckle his young", but rather "Man is the only mammal in which the
females do not always suckle their young".

If that "man" is inclusive, then sentence 1 should sound perfectly
normal.

Tony H.
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:34:43 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: List wars

>and give us hell for messing things up for everyone. It seems that
>this VERY SENIOR professor, somewhere in a very senior position ina
>very senior US university (you get the picture), was on a very
>senior taskforce which was  charged with writing a report on the
>free use of the nets. Apprently, so he informed us, there are enough

Get his address and sick Le Pig on him.  He'll wish he'd never
been born.

And tell him that the free lists are a great guarantee against a
coup by Dan Quayle.  Cf. the Russian festivities of a year ago
now.

At last count Words-L has 182 subscribers (3 concealed!--the
thought police?)  How much money do they think they could get?
What happens here is priceless.

And as for academic discussions--I hope they read the thread
about gender.  I also would like to know what other list has
produced the word "tmesis."

Russia-L is p(r)etty academic--some good info, *a lot* of ad
hominem flaming.

-Mka
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 17:14:05 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Good evening to you all
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              15 Aug 1992 15:51:15 -0500 from <dorisann@TENET.EDU>

hi.   of course i read that far.   i'm a compulsive, remember?

and....yes understand about school/college lunch "hours" ....
(I'm the oldest of six, all other siblings are teachers, from k-12, and
mother retired after 44 years in second grade...i'm the family outcast
working in libraries.....at least they are academic.   8-)

dan
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From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Subject: Re: The sole of a new machine
Reply-To: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 01:15:11 GMT


In a previous article, mjg@NWU.EDU (Michael J Graven) says:

>> If you put your ear next to the processor do you hear the ocean?
>No, but if it's a MicroVAX you can hear the hamsters.

And if it's an Apple/Mac, you can hear the toast pop up.


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From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Subject: Re: chicken shit
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:45:13
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In-reply-to: "Natalie Maynor"'s message of Thu, 13 Aug 1992 06:46:54 CDT

Natalie responds to Torkel:

   > European tourists in Paris are, so I am told, uniformly sneered at.
				     ^^^^^^^^^^^^
   I'm *told* that about U.S. tourists in France, but my experience has
   always been quite the contrary.  My theory is that those who are treated
   rudely bring it on themselves.  (There are no doubt exceptions.  A few
   rude people exist in any country.)

And now for my deux centimes--Parisians are notoriously rude--this I heard
*first* from other Frenchmen and had substantiated when I visited myself.
I speak fluent french...well, I'm 2 years outta constant practice.  When I
initally visited Paris, my American accent was noticeable...after a year of
study in Bordeaux, I spoke without an identifying accent (people assumed I
was Canadian, German, Scandinavian, never American).  At the end of my stay
in BX I went to visit a friend in Paris--the Parisians were less rude than
the first time--which I attribute to the fact that they couldn't
immediately identify where I was from to snub me.  

I must add that I agree with Natalie in that, overall, people who are treated
rudely in France do bring it upon themselves.  (Paris is an exception) 

//anne//
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Date:         Sun, 16 Aug 1992 13:53:00 EDT
From:         ktw@HLWPK.ATT.COM
Subject:      Re: ADBAM and baby update
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>Diffily baby boy arrived via Caesarian at 7:45 this morning.
>
>Both are reported to be in good condition.
>

What great news to get back home to!  Mazel Tov, Anne & Michael!

Ken
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:35:11 EDT
From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: rapture schedule
              17 Aug 1992 13:17:36 MST from <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>

On Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:17:36 MST Dan Lester said:
>On Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:13:57 EDT you said:
>>>as they say, forewarned is forearmed
>>
>>I didn't know Vishnu was involved in it.
>>>
>
"forearmed" => "fourarmed" => Vishnu

As Sen. Claghorn always said, "It's a joke, son!"

>
>dan

Evelyn
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From:         Bandwidth Pig <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      RE: gonadological oppression
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>Funny, how well those who tell us we can't understand because we're
>not what they <are> know so well what we <are>.

So tell us all about yourself, gubert, that's what we're all here for.

-abh
bated breath and all
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:54:00 EST
From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: off to the Snake
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>     Bye, sportsfans.  I'm off to raft the wild and scenic Snake.
>     "See" you on the 24th.

See ya, Carol!  You know how jealous I am.  Take plenty of pictures and GIF
them for us, OK?

neal
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:34:42 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Molest
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On Fri, 14 Aug 1992, Karen Kay wrote:

> piece on Ways to Tell if Your Child is the Victim of a Molest.
>
> Seriously, has anyone heard this usage before?  (The reporter is
> a former student, that's why I was watching.)
>
No, I've never come across "molest" used as a noun, only a verb.
Doris
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:52:50 PDT
From:         s mandell <pwiebe@ECST.CSUCHICO.EDU>
Subject:      How to breed a Cubs fan
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It was the spring of '69.  I was 5.  I went to my first baseball game
with my grandpa and his friends from work.  It's probably one of the few
times I've been anywhere with him, without my parents or my grandma.  It
was a marvelous spring day.  One of the women wore a windbreaker, but it
was warm, and bright.

I don't remember how we get there, but there is some ritual involved.  As
we walk up to Wrigley Field I am attracted by the hawkers.  I don't want
a pennant, but get a really long blue pencil with a puffball wearing a
batting helmet (I might still have it).  As we enter the ballpark, first
we fuss with tickets and scoresheets, then find our seats.

I don't realize what good seats we have, right behind the plate, maybe
10 rows up, with some of us in one row, some in the row behind.  I'm
dissappointed by all the fencing and netting between me and the field,
and the fact that I won't be able to catch any balls that get hit.
Someone has pointed out the people, just beyond the bleachers, sitting
on the roof of their building who watch the game from there.  I'm
excited by the fact that I'm sitting in a place I recognize from tv.  The
woman in the windbreaker teaches me how to score, and explains that I
should leave her to her work.

The afternoon is filled with watching the game and buying things like
peanuts, and a baseball cap for me (this gets lost or stolen a few years
later and I remember being very upset).  Seventh inning stretch we all
get up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame".

I don't remember if we leave early or not.  Leaving early is for the
beginning of the fourth quarter when the Bears are behind 31-14, and
it's 20 degrees and snowing.

Once a Cubs fan, always a Cubs fan.

Steph
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:34:52 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tushar's whereabouts
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              Gail Lester <gaill@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com>
              20 Aug 1992 13:51:47 EDT from <GE777009@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>

On Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:51:47 EDT jcs said:
>This reminds me of that thread from a while back about
>who would call the list if we died. Maybe we all should
>carry a little card in our wallet.  Next to the emergency
>phone numbers and the meds. you are allergic to.

For me, Gail would tell the list.  Of course if we BOTH got zapped at
once in a plane crash or something, well......tough shit.

dan

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Subject: Re: Good news/bad news.
Reply-To: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 22:16:42 GMT


In a previous article, "Don Moore  974-4078 S/C 574-4078" (813) says:

>IBM just called...good news ..no more ancient keyboards in Tampa!
>bad news ...they will order one for me - will arrive next week ...
>I think from some small town in Southeast Texas ;-)
East Podunk.:-)  They probably have a dozen of them, all attached to older
PCs than yours....
>Don, who never makes tiepo's ....all my mistakes are intentional - just
>ask my fingers, which seem to have a mind of their own.
And the mind your fingers have is probably working better than your usual one
at the moment.:-)  All-nighters are not conducive to brain function....


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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:37:04 EDT
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Re: ADBAM and baby update

On Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:20:24 EDT Elaine M Brennan said:
>Diffily baby boy arrived via Caesarian at 7:45 this morning.
>
>Both are reported to be in good condition.
>
>Elaine

    J U C H H E I R A S S A !
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: On
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If I ever get a cellular modem, I plan to be on line while in line.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:20:00 EDT
From:         ktw@HLWPK.ATT.COM
Subject:      Re: Aren't we discussing politics?
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>Quayle's speech was okay, but his delivery was embarrassing to watch.
>Bush was a little better--my attention was definitely wandering.  Bush
>sort of always gives B+ speeches.  This was better than the norm.

I almost threw up when Quayle got to that stuff about sleeping in the
same room with his brother in the 2-bedroom house.  Was that a bad
year in the newspaper business?

Bush I found insufferable.  I can get into a speech even by someone
whose politics I find detestable, IF it's a good speech.  I like
Ronald Reagan's ability to talk: he can tell a joke and he can _make a
point_.  All the wisdom was that Bush had to make the speech of his
life last night, as though he were pleading for his life in front of a
tribunal.  Well, folks, roll out the guillotine....  I found the speech
lame and his delivery rambling and boring.  "I'm gonna do this and I'm
gonna do that and the reason I couldn't do this and I couldn't do that
is because those big bad Congresspersons wouldn't let me!"  Right: as
though this Democratic Congress ever had the guts to override a Bush
veto.  I have never seen a more maladroit attempt to get around a
blatant LIE ("read my lips...") since my younger kid, age 3, blamed
his 6-year-old brother for making a mess...and said brother was in
school at the time.

I admit I didn't see the whole thing.  When he got to the 80th Elvis
Presley reference, about Bill Clinton moving us all into Heartbreak
Hotel, I turned off the set.

Maybe we should just vote for actors....  Charlton Heston vs. Ed Asner.

Ken
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The FreeText Acronym Server
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This is a pilot repository of acronyms held at University College, Cork,
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o  If your line of text contains more than one word, it is assumed to be
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BITNET Because-It's-There NETwork
SGML Standard Generalised Markup Language
RARE R\'eseaux Associ\'es pour la Recherche Europ\'eenne

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From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: gonadological oppression 
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:20:37 +0000


In article <19AUG92.03923967.0135.MUSIC@NEMOMUS> LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu writes:
>A man who calls himself a feminist--it's like me going around saying
>I'm Japanese.  This is the same issue as being taken for a foreigner--

Bullpuckey.
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