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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Resurrection!!!!!
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:36:08 GMT

In article <e2u1RB2w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> cmcurtin@bluemoon.rn.com (Matthew Curtin) writes:

[ ]
>
>Well... I'll disagree with the OS/2 part; OS/2 is a kludge. IBM's support 
>of OS/2 is terrible. Many users here on bluemoon BBS have stated that 
>IBM's attitude toward OS/2 is "wait for Pink." 

That isn't the case at all. OS/2 version 2.0 is very well supported. What's
holding it back is support for Windows3.1 . In any case, IBM's attitude is
certainly not "wait for Pink", which is vaporware and may never amount to
anything. OS/2 is IBM's micro OS and they are going with it. It has features
which allows one to add in various items from whatever may come from the
IBM-Apple work, and elsewhere.
>
>If you want a machine that can do graphics and has tons of support and 
>software, I think you're better off with a Macintosh. I'm not going to 
>tell you that I would get a Mac instead of a GS for _my_ use, but if you 
>want lots of new games, hot graphics, etc, and you loathe DOS as much as 
>I, the Mac would, IMHO, be the way to go.... 

The Mac is very nice. It is in competition for the same market as PC's. As
such, most items are very expensive for it (since corporations can afford
the p.o.'s). More importantly, it is single sourced (i.e. proprietary).
 
The software support for a lot of areas is simply not there for the Mac. Two
come to mind. Scientific Word (a graphically integrated frontend to LaTeX)
and S+/Gauss-> the main stats'  programs for the research statistics'/economics
community. There are lot's of others...
 
The Mac has lot's of graphics' programs (how many do you need- most people 
don't use high end ones), few games, etc...
 
OS/2 with its preemptive multitasking is a far better OS than 7.01. 
 
As far as MS-DOS goes, it may not be pretty but there's a lot of inexpensive
good programs for it. In my few a CLI is very important. GNO, OS/2 offer
that. The Mac OS does not. A/UX does, but noone takes it seriously.
 
At this point one can pick up an inexpensive GS (used). It can do most things
most people need. Moreover it has HyperStudio which is something the Mac
and QuickTime can't compete against at the lower end of the multimedia
world.
 
I would not rule out an Amiga either.
>
>Just for the record, I'd like to stick a plug for NeXT in here, but they 
>just don't have the kind of software base (yet) that the Mac does...

I have a NeXT. It's a great system. It now has a lot of software. But it's
a proprietary computer (like the Mac, Amiga, GS, etc...). The PC is being
made by hundreds if not thousands of companies. It has all the software one
needs. It lacks the polish that the NeXT, GS and Mac have. It makes up for
it in price/performance.
 
In summary: go inexpensive
 
That rules out Mac, NeXT, Amiga for now, new GS.

Rules in: Used GS, PC

Maybe's: New lower cost Amiga's, Atari Falcon.
 
Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: dsdd@okcforum (Roy Barrett)
Subject: Re: New II GS Owner with Questions
Originator: news@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:41:19 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
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John C. Logan, Jr (johnl@monster.saic.com) wrote:
: Hi,
: 
: I just purchased a used II GS for my son.  I have used IBM PCs for the past 
: 8 years and am not familar with the Apple II line.  I received one manual 
: with the machine (users guide), and a couple of diskettes - A tour of the II 
: GS, proterm (I don't have a modem yet), and AppleWorks.  Can anyone point 
: me to a good technical reference book (and bookstores which might carry it) 
: covering the II GS, how the system operates, the difference between Prodos 
: and GS/OS, why I might choose Prodos over GS/OS (or GS/OS over Prodos), 
: and programming considerations (compilers, development tools, etc).
: 
: Respond to johnl@monster.saic.com
: 
: Thanks.

For one thing, you use ProDOS (or as Apple now calls it in the Mac SuperDrive   brochures, "PRO-DOS and Apple II") and GS/OS together, and a good place to find
Apple II support is either at your local user group (800-538-9696 x500 for User Group Listings), your local BBS Systems (once you get a modem, be sure you have ProTERM v3.0), and Networks (FutureNet, OGG-Net, IIne-Net, ProLine, UseNet: comp.sys.apple2, and such).

Also, be sure you have System v6.0 or above, make sure you also have a hard     drive, which a 40 meg runs for $149, and a 213 runs for $459.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson)
Subject: Re: Apple ][ Emulator?
Reply-To: mmunson@animal.es.com (Mark Munson)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:50:04 GMT

In article <59@MECHANICAL.watstar.waterloo.edu> Jeff Markus writes:

>I am wondering if there are emulators out there for the MS/DOS computer
>which I can use to run Apple // DOS 3.3 and/or ProDOS programs?

>If there is such a thing, is it any good?  Where might it be available?

You can purchase 48K Apple ][+ emulation boards for DOS machines.  They are
rare, and you'll probably look a long time on the used market before finding
one that is stuck in somebody's closet.

A software emulator is possible, but it would require a lot of work, since
the Apple ][ is not device independent.  Nearly all Apple ][ commercial
software uses routines that directly write to soft-switch and display
memory.  Since nearly nobody is using the firmware routines, you can't
just intercept the calls and be done.  An Apple II emulator would have to
look-up from a big table, all of the soft-witch locations and be able to
convert those to DOS calls.  This is no small task, and many of the calls
are timing dependent, making emulation very-very difficult.

An AppleSoft BASIC emulator is much easier to do, and I've heard that there
are such programs for the PC.


>I am most interested also in a software solution to reading/writing those 144k
>disks in my IBM's drive (if the 1.2M can read a 160k disk, then why not a
>144k?).

PC and Apple ][ drives use different technologies for reading and writing
bits to the surface of a 5.25" disk.  If I recall corectly, the PC uses
a Modified Frequency Modulation scheme, while the Apple II used a Group Code
Record method.  The Apple ][ disk controller has been placed onto a single
chip called the Integrated Woz Machine (IWM - Steve Wozniac/sp?).

A single 5.25" drive could be constructed that would read both formats, 
including higher densities of both.  The 3.5" Apple SuperDrive does this,
allowing ProDOS, DOS 3.3, Mac MFS, Mac HFS, and MS-DOS to all be read using
the same mechanism.

Unfortunately, if you had the money to purchase a new 5.25" drive, you would
probably have a newer computer than a //.  This puts you in a catch-22
situation with the old 140K floppies.

The good solution is to get a high density 3.5" disk drive and controller
for your Apple.  Migrate all your files onto the 3.5" disks.  If you have
a //, get a IIgs instead.  Let GS/OS system 6.0 format and write files to
MS-DOS formatet disks when you need to transfer files to a PC.

[MGM]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy)
Subject: Re: Sound files...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:46:33 GMT

In article <19920928.061119.62@almaden.ibm.com> Pauley@vnet.ibm.com (Paul Benson) writes:
>In <80593@ut-emx.uucp> Michael Foegelle writes:
>>in the system 6 manuals being released?)  What is the format for the sound
>>files used by the sound routine in the system 6 control panel?  It appears to
>
>It's in a technote.  Can't remember the number offhand, but it's there.  I
>did not find it in any other reference (but it may be hiding somewhere).

>There are 2 programs which change _raw_ binary sounds to the proper format
>for the GS Sound Control Panel.  One is RawToRes and requires a shell, the
>other is rSounder which is a stand-alone desktop application.  I prefer
>rSounder ;).

Actually there are 3.  The third is the SoundConvert package sold by Triad
Venture, and avalible thru all your favorite mailorder places.  It includes
both a HyperCard IIgs stack which converts all conceivable sound types 
(including synthLAB instruments!) into rSounds, and a really cool NDA which
allows you to digitize from within nearly any application and save either
as 1 of 4 'regular' sound file types, or as an rSound.  Note that unlike the
shareware/freeware packages mentioned above SoundConvert has been thouroughly
tested and is the only program to create 100% correct rSounds to my knowledge.

>Pauley
>GEnie: P.Benson1



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Sound files...
Organization: U of Toronto Statistics
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:22:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.154633.29972@news.iastate.edu> irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy) writes:

[ ]
>
>Actually there are 3.  The third is the SoundConvert package sold by Triad
>Venture, and avalible thru all your favorite mailorder places.  It includes
>both a HyperCard IIgs stack which converts all conceivable sound types 
>(including synthLAB instruments!) into rSounds, and a really cool NDA which
>allows you to digitize from within nearly any application and save either
>as 1 of 4 'regular' sound file types, or as an rSound.  Note that unlike the
>shareware/freeware packages mentioned above SoundConvert has been thouroughly
>tested and is the only program to create 100% correct rSounds to my knowledge.

Will it support the Audio Animator and Hyperstudio when adding sounds on the
fly?

[ ]

Philip McDunnough
philip@nexus.yorku.ca
From: tonyh@pro-scat.cts.com (Tony Hamaoui)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Apple IIc acting STRANGE!
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:13:08 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ProLine [pro-scat] St. Petersburg, Florida.

I just tried that commans open apple closed apple control reset.           
That is really cool that the //c can diagnose itself.  I have a            
question how many colors can the //c display.
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From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: Amrit, C/C++
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 08:23:26 GMT

schwarts@cps.msu.edu (Steven Eric Schwartz) writes:

>>>I'd like to see a C++ compiler for the IIGS.  Anyone? }:>
>>lcc with g++. Or go with the (rumoured) ORCA/C++.
>What do you mean lcc with g++? I took a C++ class over the summer and would
>like to do some work with it.

lcc is a compiler that is ported to the GS by Procyon, Inc. g++ is the GNU
C++ front-end for their gcc (naturally, this was before C++ was built into
gcc, i.e. version 1.4.x). lcc is supposed to handle the output of g++. Thus,
you would first send your C code through g++, and then have lcc process it.
Not that you would notice that ... as as a user you (most of the time) deal
with a front-end similar to cc, anyway ;-)

Soenke
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From: chew@dcst6.dc (Greg Chew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: 2e cover
Date: 25 Sep 92 18:47:05 GMT
Reply-To: chew@dcst6.dc
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

A couple of times I've seen clear plastic top covers Apple //e s.
There is a picture of a Apple  //e  on the cover of the 
"Apple //e Technical Reference Manual" 
I also saw it at Applefest a couple of times.
Does anyone know where I can get one of these, if they are
still available.

Thanks in advance...
---



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 Milpitas, Ca. 95035                                                                         |           |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: lenz@ssd.comm.mot.com (Doug Lenz)
Subject: Help with Apple CD-ROM 150
Organization: Motorola
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:40:49 GMT

I finally got one of those nice little Apple CD-ROM 150's but have a couple
of questions...  What SCSI card to I REALLY need to have in order to use this
drive?  When I hook it to my RamFAST, my computer hangs at the finder, when
I hook to to my Apple Rev C. SCSI I can play audio CD's and the like but the
finder never seems to see any of the High-Sierra / ISO discs I put in.

Do I really have to have an Apple High-Speed DMA????

Doug


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: neufeld@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Christopher Neufeld)
Subject: Re: Orca/C Bug?!?!
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:24:48 GMT

In article <2970@news.cerf.net> mdj@nic.cerf.net (Mark de Jong) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep29.095317.5180@nuscc.nus.sg> isc10327@nusunix1.nus.sg (ONG TAT-WEE) writes:
>>>
>>>I'm trying to read the time interval while waiting for the user to press
>>>a key so that I can use the delay has a random seed.
>>>
>
>Well, you can do something "gross" like this:
>
>	char checkKbd()
>	{
>		return( *((char *) 0xe0c000) & 0x80 );
>	}
>
>Then your loop would be:
>
>	while( !checkKbd() ) 
>		a++;
>	*((char *) 0xe0c010) = 0;
>
>and it would check the keyboard latch for any key to be pressed.
>
   I don't think one should get into the habit of checking soft switches
and the like this way from ORCA/C. I checked the generated code for this
once and noticed that the effect of *((char *) 0xe0c000) is to load the
sixteen bit accumulator with the contents of $E0C000 (hence loading the
next address in the machine as well) then masking off the high order byte
with an AND statement. For soft switches such as those controlling the
screen or, say, the 5"1/4 drive controller (to name two things with which
I am a bit familiar) adjacent addresses can have opposite or unrelated
effects, and this will cause problems.
   Better is to use the inline assembly feature, set m=0 explicitly, do
the toggle, then reset m=1 for 16 bit memory/accumulator before ending
your assembly fragment.


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From: fmlin@terapin.com (Frank M. Lin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: 5v to 5.25v
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:25:20 GMT
Organization: BBS

I am waitting on my 65c816 & oscilators to come in...  hopefully, by Monday.

I have 2 questions regarding raising the power supply voltage.

1. 5.25v seems okay; does anyone recommand AGAINST doing so?

2. How do I make my HD supply to go 5.25v?

Any help will be appreciated.

btw, my HD supply is from MPD ( memory plus distributor ), and it seems to be
same as AE one's.  Am I correct?

frank m. lin
fmlin@terapin.com
cyprus systems
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: scanf discussion ... help me :)
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 15:51:52 GMT

Hi,

compiler bug or not a compiler bug? (Sorry, I still can't quote ... nn is still
down *sigh*).

_Not_ a compiler bug. I agree on isspace(), but scanf was written entirely in
ASM (as was the whole library). I have the source (Trust me. I know what I'm
doing. *Stern look, shoots captain*).

Well, anyway ... it's a bug, and it is damned well annoying.

Yours

Soenke
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:11:09 EDT
From: <SAB121@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Fast modems FAX software for the GS
Distribution: world

In article <j348562@pro-cynosure.cts.com>, dig@pro-cynosure.cts.com (Doug
Granzow) says:
>
>tcomtaob@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao) writes:
>
>>The following revelation escaped Mark Spaeth's lips:
>>>
>>> I just picked up a zoom v.32bis faxmodem for $289 external, and I'm having
>>> touble makeing the damn thing go!
>>
>>     Wow, amazing price!  Why the heck would anyone want a USR modem now?!?
>
>I wouldn't use a Zoom modem if it was given to me for free.  Why? I bought a
>Zoom 2400 bps modem once, and had nothing but trouble with it.  It wouldn't
>talk to my IIgs (ProTERM or GBBS). After calling tech support several times
>and getting the modem replaced twice (and I still didn't have a working
>modem), I was told "Our modem wasn't designed to work on a computer like
>yours."

I also have nothing good to say about Zoom.  I had a 2400 baud and had a
hellacious time managing to get it to talk to my GS with anything.  When it
finally did I was stuck with Kermit and Tic being the only comm programs that
would recognize it.  After having my pet genius look at it (Thanks, Jeff), he
finally managed to get ProTERM to admit that there was a modem connected up.

Well, that was fine and dandy, I finally had a working modem with a comm
program that supported VT100 beautifully (I needed VT100 to connect to
PSUVM, the whole reason I bought a modem!)  Then one day, when I was going
home for the weekend, I set up a dinky little BBS so that a friend could
get some stuff off of my HD.  MISTAKE!  For no reason that I was ever able
to determine (I think it must have overheated somehow), the modem died.
Dead as a door nail.  I had 3 lights lit all the time (2400 baud, carrier
detect, and power), but I could not get anything to recognize it as a modem.
I turned it on and off about 19 million times, connected it up to 3 different
computers (Still no go...) and finally took it back to where I purchased it.
It was the 4th return that week!  The supplier said that he would no longer
carry the Zoom, and replaced it with a Viva 2400, which has NEVER given me
any problems.

If you really want to go cheap, fine, get a Zoom, but remember, you only get
what you pay for!

>
>My USR, on the other hand, has worked flawlessly since I bought it, although
>I can't say I've ever dealt with USR's tech support.
>
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From: guillaum@pogo.trl.oz.au (Andrew Guillaume)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Apple //c self-test (was Re: Apple IIc acting STRANGE!)
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:52:17 GMT
Reply-To: a.guillaume@trl.oz.au
Followup-To: comp.sys.apple2
Organization: The Okefenokee Swamp

David D Kilzer replied to my query about the //c self test with a
clarification:
|I have the UniDisk 3.5 ROM board in my computer, and the self-test works
|for me.  You're sure you're holding down open-apple, close-apple, and
|control at the same time, then pressing & releasing reset?  Sometimes,
|if you do it too fast, the self-test won't initiate.  [I'm sure you did,
|for the initiated, the apple keys can be sensitive (they work like and
|ARE the joystick buttons) and you must have them held DOWN when
|rebooting or doing the self-test.]

So my first error was releasing all keys together.

|Also wait 5 minutes before deciding that you don't have the
|self-test...it should complete itself in that time (actually less, but
|wait 5 minutes to be sure).  Additionally, the self-test graphics are
|all in lo-res, while the ROM without the self-test has hi-res graphics
|patterns displayed on the screen.

And my second error was not being patient :-)
Thanks to all who replied to my query. I'm reading this early at work, and
rang up my wife at home (who was getting breakfast ready for the kids), and
she tried it all out: it works indeed as David had mentioned.
Thanks again for your help.

Andrew Guillaume
a.guillaume@trl.oz.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: dhrystone...
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:20:23 GMT

hhwang@cse.uta.edu (Hon-dar  Hwang) writes:

>In article <fmlin.1pk2@terapin.com> fmlin@terapin.com (Frank M. Lin) writes:
>>Where can I find the dhrystone test at?  Any ftp sites?
>>
>>Thanx.
>>
>>frank m. lin
>>fmlin@terapin.com
>>cyprus systems

>    I like to know too.. let me know.

  If it's not on pindarus.cs.uiuc.edu in /pub/apple2/gno, then
let me know and I'll put it there.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Question: New Operating Software?
From: <DBEHRENS@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 5 Oct 1992 16:33:05 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

Hi, once again!
I heard about this GS/OS, what is it really, and how do I go about getting it.
Since if you read my other postings the computer stores in my area don't have
a clue what a IIgs is, even though they sold it a few years back.
Also will this new operating system operate on my IIGS?  It has Limited
Edition printed on it's front, and we haven't got new software for years,
I'm behind in the new development (if any) for the IIgs since then.
 
Please reply to me, Dennis J. Behrens
DBehrens@MiamiU.Bitnet
 
Thanks!!!
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