HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wsargeant@IGC.ORG (Winslow L. Sargeant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: IPS:Libya, France cautioned against 'b
Date: 12 Apr 92 21:28:34 GMT

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Title: LIBYA: France cautioned against ''blindly'' following U.S lead


paris, apr 7 (ips) -- underlining what he termed the ''tight''
relations between france and the maghreb countries, libyan prime
minister abouzeid omar dourda has cautioned paris against
''blindly'' following u.s. policies towards arab nations.

in an opinion piece in the tuesday evening edition of ''le
monde'',  dourda wrote:  ''we would like to alert france to the
consequences of the policies being pursued by the united states in
the arab world and to the risks that it (france) faces in blindly
supporting them.''

along with the united states and britain, france has
successfully pushed for the passing of a u.n. security council
resolution, which imposes a diplomatic, air, and military embargo
against libya.

the embargo becomes effective on april 15 unless libya allows the
extradition for trial of libyan suspects in two airplane bombings
which left more than 400 dead.

dourda said that for the arab nations, france represents a
''nation of rights'', adding that the french government continued
to promote dialogue and cooperation.

the prime minister also noted that libya neither has
diplomatic, commercial, military nor aerial relations with either
the united states or britain.

in contrast, he said libya would like to ''expand'' its
relations with france, respecting each nation's ''sovereignty''
and ''peculiarities''.

according to dourda, the reasons for the sanctions are clear.
the yoke, he said, is being tightened on all of the arab nations.
''after the gulf region, the u.s. strategy of making libya its
next target ... is to attack countries which have known shown the
least capacity to resist,'' he wrote.

dourda said that the ''dangerous'' policies of the united
states would ''ignite waves of popular indignation in the whole of
the arab-muslim world, ruining an equilibrium which has for a long
time been protected with difficulty'' in the maghreb region, and
in the mediterranean.

''playing up to the witch-hunt will serve neither peace nor
security,'' the prime minister warned.(end/ips/ip/ao/cpg/92)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct
From: john kauta <kautaj@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Slavery (was Re: Sexist African Males)
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:42:09 -0500

In article <viking.703275616@vincent1.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>
>	Slavers do not operate gunships, nor do they have the logistics
>to carry on operations in the interior of the country.  There has to
>be another reason for the population decimation in the continent at
>that time; coastal depletion I can understand, but not continent-wide.
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Since coastal depletion (e.g.West African) was far more than the interior one,
I take it you now ALSO understand that, according to your reasoning, this 
should mean the non-African slavers were the dominant enslaving force at
that time.

I know, I know: these African slavers found it more logical to capture their
slaves closer to the coast!!! And, surpringly, somehow they managed at the end
to sell themselves at a profit! Talk about business acumen!!!!!!!


Honestly, you are making me laugh!!
From: garrett@lib.washington.edu (Adam Garrett)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: south africans
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:17:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr9.151703.27212
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington Libraries

In article <1992Apr4.212632.11946@psg.com>, chris@psg.com (Chris Pinkham) writes:
> > The connection to South Africa is a 9600 bps line and is overutilized to the  
> > point where email is unreliable and telnet/ftp allmost impossible. Maybe they 
> > are cutting back on newsfeed to save bandwidth

Linda of South Africa wanted me to relay this message:

Good! I believe that what is happening is that the lines are so full that
news backs up at our US source, which starts deleting it after a week. It
seems soc.culture.african is one of the things getting deleted. Sounds like
a fair explanation, as I haven't seen it in ages. Maybe you could pass this
information on to our fans out there! 

> Email and news aren't really unreliable - just extremely slow. SA still
> gets almost a full feed. Maybe all the bigotry about who may or may not
> speak in this group has scared the folk away.
>
> Chris

No! Tell them it isn't true, Adam! I don't know where Chris gets sca from,
but honestly, it just isn't arriving. What would life be without Winslow of
Madison to argue with?

Linda
 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: laing@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter Laing)
Subject: Re: Feminists!
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 20:12:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.164215.26309@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, jka3_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (James Amenuvor) writes:
> 
>  I will have to agree with Paul on one point.  In Africa, at least as much of itas I know, matrimony becomes a defacto contract between two families.  In some
> places the couple to be married have to take second place to the welfare and 
> amicability of both families.  If the families refuse to see eye to eye then the chance that the couple will get married is next to zero.  To support this I 
> have never heard of a couple eloping in Africa.

Our servant, a proud Zulu male, fell in love with a Xhosa woman.
They decided to get married. The seriousness of their actions
rated on par with those resulting from a conservative Afrikaner
marrying a black. His family alienated them and would not allow
his wife anywhere near their farm. He always had to visit his
family alone. The brides father, also not too impressed with 
this Zulu stealing a Xhosa woman, charged a Labola (dowry) that
was almost impossible for our servant too afford. So much so
that my parents actually help him pay it.

However, with all these problems, they still went ahead with their
life together, and now have 2 children. 
I suppose my point is that you will find the rare occasion when
African couples will elope in Africa.

Cheers,
        Peter Laing
From: richard@auvax1.adelphi.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Black Unity and Upliftment through Communication
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:43:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: auvax1.1992Apr8.194318.1
Organization: ADELPHI UNIVERSITY

Dear Brothers,
	     I am a new user seeking your assistance in a lofty goal. 
Currently I am Chairman of a wonderful organization, The Afrikan Concerns
Association, which is in the process of giving birth to a revolutionary
newspaper, "Afrika Unbound".
This newspaper is to eventually bridge the Afrikan peoples of Africa, America
and the Caribbean via the Internet, telephone and whatever other mass
communications device we can commandeer.  We welcome written articles on any
relevant topic (sent to my address) and wish to obtain the addresses of other
students at universities wherever they are.  If you can further this cause in
any way possible, or if you seek further information, please contact me.  For
live connection, I am avaliable at the following times:
Tuesday 4-5pm EST
Wednesday 3-4pm
Thursday 10am-1:30pm
Peace and Power!

Richard Dennison
From: news@inews.intel.com (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Martians on the attack!
Keywords: martians,
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:35:53 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Microprocessor Component Group, Santa Clara, CA

>
>Hey, John, don't use bad language like that! It is detrimental to your
>health and mine! The brother was just trying to be humorous!
From: pmwanik@cadev6.intel.com (Peter Mwaniki)
If someone missed the discussion, the martian story was in
reference to "women liberation in Africa" discussion in which
a contributor said his points were justified due to the fact
that no African women disputed the facts on this net !
The martian story was meant to drive a point home, that "..
there was this man who kept on saying Martians are poised
to invade earth and kill all living things, people just
shook their heads and said nothing..." the contributor asks,
does their silence vindicate the statement Martians are 
indeed poised ...

its posible to have missed the point especially if you
didn't follow the discussion. 

Peter Mwaniki
From: chris@psg.com (Chris Pinkham)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: south africans
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:12:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: psg.1992Apr9.151251.24328
Distribution: soc
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon, US

In <1992Apr8.084510.5335@vax.oxford.ac.uk> adavies@vax.oxford.ac.uk (Anthony Davies) writes:

> Just what is happening?...

In the past, I have been reluctant to use this group to discuss
mail problems to Africa, as I don't feel it belongs here.
However, as there seems to be sufficient interest, I will explain.

The link from SA to the US is a 9600 baud line with a pc on either
end running public domain routing software. These pc's are not
coping, for various reasons not entirely understood by the people
caring for them (as I am currently caring for the US side of the
link, I include myself in that). Consequently, SA and Internet
sites often (usually?) fail to make the necessary connections; the
mail is queued for later retry (if the queue is very large, it may
take a while before that mail is retried). I would be willing to
bet that any "lost" mail could be accounted for, and tracked down
to some queue somewhere. Obviously, seriously delayed mail is as good
as lost, and I have had messages take about 8 days to reach me.

There will be a change of router in the near future, which might
improve matters, but also might only expose other weaknesses in
the network.

Chris
From: afv@uk.ac.cam.eng (Frans Volschenk)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: joe <joe@sybase.COM.Sun>
Keywords: joe <joe@sybase.COM.Sun>
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:11:35 GMT
Reply-To: afv@allison.noname
Followup-To: joe <joe@sybase.COM.Sun>
Organization: cam.eng


Dear Joe,

The answer to your question fowllows.  Sorry for returning via the 
group, but things at the mailer to your address seem to be whacky
at this moment:  Check this:

------------------------------ Start of body part 1

This report relates to your message: Message-ID: <183.9204100958@allison.eng.cam.ac.uk>,
  To: joe%sybase.COM.Sun@uk.ac.nsfnet-relay
        of Fri, 10 Apr 1992 10:39:40 +0100

Your message was not delivered to   joe@sybase.COM.Sun
        for the following reason:
        Unknown Address
        Unknown domain 'sybase.COM.Sun' 

*         converted eits ia5 text (2);
*         supplementary info "Unknown domain 'sybase.COM.Sun'";
****** End of administration information 



> > 
>>    

-----------------------------------------
YOUR QUESTION
-----------------------------------------

"bin" has more than one meaning (A,B):

(A)  (What I think you mean !)
---
If "bin" is a paper tray, say for a laser printer:


	(i)	"Slegs wit papier in hierdie laai"

		directly translated from:
 		Only white paper in this bin

	(ii)	"Slegs wit papier toegelaat in hierdie laai"
                                  ---------
		directly translated from:
 		Only white paper ALLOWED in this bin
                                 -------

	(iii)	"Slegs wit papier in hierdie laai asseblief"
                                                  ---------
		directly translated from:
 		Only white paper in this bin please
                                             ------


I would suggest option (iii) as the more commonly used
phrase.  The Afrikaans word for "allowed", i.e. "toegelaat"
is more used in terms of "admission to" and when people
are concerned.  The more polite way (iii) also puts a bit
more emphasis on the request.


(B)  (? Just for fun )
----------------------

If "bin" refers to a rubbish bin:

 "Slegs wit papier in die vullis drom"
                          -----------

But as your address reads COM.Sun that may not be what you
imply !


Regards


Frans Volschenk

(afv@uk.ac.cam.eng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct
From: ekundayo@athena.mit.edu (Enuma Ekundayo Ogunyemi)
Subject: Re: Sanctions for Zimbabwe
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:53:50 GMT

Slight corrections as to who said what (why I don't know):


In article <DSDHBWQH@cc.swarthmore.edu>, rdavies1@cc.swarthmore.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Apr5.144636.25174@mercury.cair.du.edu>
|> rhuffman@diana.cair.du.edu (Robert T. Huffman) writes:
|> >In article <1992Apr4.214827.5819@athena.mit.edu> ekundayo@athena.mit.edu
|> (Enuma Dayo Ogunyemi) writes:
|> >
|> 
|> >It's really quite simple, and I'm not sure where the problem is, so I'll
|> >try to be as explicit as possible.  Let's say you have a two person
|> >economy with some productive resources.  You can divide those resources
|> >between the two people and get, say, X amount of output, or you can give
|> >all the resources to one person and get Y amount of output.  Now, let's
|> >say Y is a lot bigger than X.  The economy gets more output with an
|> >inequitable division of the productive resources.  It seems to me it
|> >would be better to give all the resources to one person to get the greatest
|> >amount of output, then divide the output between the two people.
|> >
|> >But of course, this is only true if the economy is more productive with
|> >the resources in the hands of the one person.  As you and others have
|> >pointed out, Zimbabwean agriculture may be more productive with a more
|> >equitable division of resources among producers, in which case it is a
|> >moot point.
|> 
|> It also assumes, even when Y<X, that the output can be redistributed easily and
|> costlessly.  In practice this is seldom the case; the primary distribution of
|> income depends crucially on the ownership of resources, and there is little
|> evidence to suggest that it is possible significantly to alter this
|> distribution through interventions such as tax/subsidy systems.
|> 
|> 
None of the previously quoted (|>>)text in here is mine (Enuma Dayo Ogunyemi)
it is Robert Huffman's.
	To Huffman I was asking for equitable division to be explained
*explicitly for the zimbabwean case*.  Thank's for the "really quite simple"
explanation, but can you go a step further to the realities of the Zimbabwean
case.  Perhaps you have a more palatable solution than Mugabe.

Enuma Olanrewaju Ogunyemi.

" If anyone has cold feet, I'll put hot irons under them!"- Robert Mugabe on
planned agrarian reform in Zimbabwe.
From: hb268er@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (Immo Wittig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: contact to eritrea
Keywords: africa eritrea mail
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:59:05 GMT
Organization: Rechenzentrum Uni-Duisburg

**********************************************************
hi all around the world !

does anyone knows e-mail address of someone in eritrea
a friend of mine (german) is very engaged in eritrean culture and politics
and wants to correspondent with people from eritrea

immo
From: jka3_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (James Amenuvor)
Subject: African football ?????
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 15:00:42 GMT

I would like to know if anyone has any information on what is going on in
football on the continent.  I have tried looking in the "soccer" group and
have come up dissapointed.  If anyone knows anything please post it with as
much detail as possible.

Thank you in advance.


p.s What do readers in this group think of the impending divorce of the 
    Mandelas'.  I personally think they should try as hard as possible to 
    work it out and stay together for themselves and for Africa.

    comments anyone ???

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: rdavies1@cc.swarthmore.edu
Subject: Re: Sanctions for Zimbabwe
Reply-To: Robert Huffman
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:52:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.144636.25174@mercury.cair.du.edu>
rhuffman@diana.cair.du.edu (Robert T. Huffman) writes:
>In article <1992Apr4.214827.5819@athena.mit.edu> ekundayo@athena.mit.edu
(Enuma Dayo Ogunyemi) writes:
>

>It's really quite simple, and I'm not sure where the problem is, so I'll
>try to be as explicit as possible.  Let's say you have a two person
>economy with some productive resources.  You can divide those resources
>between the two people and get, say, X amount of output, or you can give
>all the resources to one person and get Y amount of output.  Now, let's
>say Y is a lot bigger than X.  The economy gets more output with an
>inequitable division of the productive resources.  It seems to me it
>would be better to give all the resources to one person to get the greatest
>amount of output, then divide the output between the two people.
>
>But of course, this is only true if the economy is more productive with
>the resources in the hands of the one person.  As you and others have
>pointed out, Zimbabwean agriculture may be more productive with a more
>equitable division of resources among producers, in which case it is a
>moot point.

It also assumes, even when Y<X, that the output can be redistributed easily and
costlessly.  In practice this is seldom the case; the primary distribution of
income depends crucially on the ownership of resources, and there is little
evidence to suggest that it is possible significantly to alter this
distribution through interventions such as tax/subsidy systems.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 20:06:09 CDT
From: <U49146@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Ethiopian universities
 <1992Apr10.152141.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> <hb268er.703187497@unidui>

In article <hb268er.703187497@unidui>, hb268er@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (Immo
Wittig) says:
>
>In <1992Apr10.152141.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cl233617@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
>writes:
>
>>Does anyone know of the e-mail address of any Ethiopian university?
>>Thank you for your help.
>>Fikre
>i m sorry not
>but i am also interested
>and to bitnet to eritrea
>does anyone know e-mail adress of ethiopian university or one in eritrea???
>immo

Sorry guys, but are you even sure there is such a thing as e-mail service over
there?  I mean SA has been having trouble with it from what we hear on this net
and it seems highly improbable that there might be one in Ethiopia/Eritrea.

Sofia
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: lhermi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi)
Subject: Ibn Khaldun (quote)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 07:28:09 GMT

[33]  The different importance of the ranks of "the
sword'' and "the pen'' in the (various) dynasties.

It (542) should be known that both "the sword" and "the
pen" are instruments for the ruler to use in his affairs. How-
ever, at the beginning of the dynasty, so long as its people
are occupied in establishing power, the need for ''the sword"
is greater than that for "the pen." In that situation, ''the
pen" is merely a servant and agent of the ruler's authority,
whereas "the sword" contributes active assistance.

The same is the case at the end of the dynasty when its
group feeling weakens, as we have mentioned, and its people
decrease in number under the influence of senility, as we have
stated before.(543) The dynasty then needs the support of the
military. The dynasty's need of the military for the purpose of
protection and defense is as strong then as it was at the begin-
ning of (the dynasty) for the purpose of getting established.
In these two situations, ''the sword," thus, has the advantage
over ''the pen." At that time, the military have the higher
rank. They enjoy more benefits and more splendid fiefs.

In mid-term of the dynasty, the ruler can to some degree
dispense with "the sword." His power is firmly established.
His only remaining desire is to obtain the fruits of royal
authority, such as collecting taxes, holding (property), ex-
celling other dynasties, and enforcing the law. ''The pen" is
helpful for (all) that. Therefore, the need for using it in-
creases. The swords stay unused in their scabbards, unless
something happens and they are called upon to repair a
breach. For (purposes) other than that, (swords) are not
needed. In this situation, the men of the pen have more au-
thority. They occupy a higher rank. They enjoy more benefits
and greater wealth and have a closer and more frequent and
intimate contact with the ruler. At such times, (the pen) is the
instrument the ruler uses to obtain the fruits of his royal
authority. He uses it to supervise and administer his realm
and to display its (excellent) condition. At such a time, the
wazirs and the military can be dispensed with. They are kept
away from the intimate circle of the ruler and have to be-
ware of his moods.

It is in this sense that Abu Muslim wrote the following
reply to al-Mansur when he ordered him to come (to him):
"And now: We remember the following admonition of the
Persians: 'The most fear-ridden thing there is, is the wazirs
when the mob has calmed down.' " (544)

This is how God proceeds with his servants.