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Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Angels
From: rkallberg@vax.cord.edu
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:28:42 GMT
Reply-To: rkallberg@vax.cord.edu
Organization: Concordia College, Moorhead, MN

Actually, I was wondering if the "angel" Catherine was talking about wouldn't
be her brother, Andrew.
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM soundtrack
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:42:51 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <niklasf.8.727092375@dhhalden.no> niklasf@dhhalden.no (NIKLAS FREDN) writes:
>The song they played while Laura and Donna where at the Bang Bang Cafe (?)
>was realy cool. It was a kind of hypnotic sleazy rock song. And then to the 
>big question : is that one on the soundtrack??

Well, part of it is.  If I remember correctly (haven't seen the movie since
Halloween), the Pink Room soundtrack is actually a mix of two slightly
different songs.  About partway through the scene, there's a dissolve, and
the bassline changes, but other than that the second part sounds a lot like
the first.

The first part -- a longer version of it -- is on the soundtrack, titled
"The Pink Room".  It's great stuff.  You notice a couple of other things
on the tape too... I could swear there's a voice moaning or muttering
something in the background, but I can never figure out what.

I'd recommend the soundtrack, but I suggest you mix it down onto another
tape.  Several of the songs -- "Moving Through Time" and the third song
on side 1, whatever it is -- start out great but meander on for about
three minutes too long.  "A Real Indication" is wicked, though, and there's
something evil about "The Black Dog Runs At Night".  I listened to that
once, driving home alone at around 3 AM, and it really gave me the shivers.

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From: joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt)
Subject: Re: FWMM - Questions
Organization: The Fortress of Ultimate Dorkiness
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:54:05 GMT
Keywords: FWWM TP

In article <1k70jtINNg9h@fido.asd.sgi.com> sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
>
>anyway, in the series, they were credited as the tremonds, since that
>is the way the audience knew of them at the time, then in the movie
>gave their real name, chalfont, as well as their previous name.
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Probably not their real name either. It seems that they take the name of who
ever really lived there or lived there before. The previous occupants of the
trailer were also named Chalfont.

Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: KCSCHIE@vm.cmp.ilstu.edu
Subject: Re: Twin Peaks on Bravo
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 14:53:59 EDT
Organization: Illinois State University

I missed the beginnings of this thread, so could someone please
tell me is Bravo going to run Twin Peaks and if so, when will it
start running?
 
Thanks in advance!
Kyle
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: larryy@gallant.apple.com (Larry Yaeger)
Subject: Re: Angels
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:34:39 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <1993Jan22.212842.8652@cobber.cord.edu> rkallberg@vax.cord.edu writes:
>Actually, I was wondering if the "angel" Catherine was talking about wouldn't
>be her brother, Andrew.

I always thought that Catherine was just embellishing her lie.  Remember
that her entire story of being rescued by an angel, running through the
woods, and ending up at her cabin was a complete fabrication... she had
been in town the whole time as Yamamura-san (or whatever the fake
Japanese character's name was).  So I wouldn't go reading too much into
her "angel" story.
-- 
-larryy@apple.com

"Shi Nou Kou Sho Inu Neko Programmer"  -  Takada Naoki
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt)
Subject: Re: Symbolism in FWWM
Organization: The Fortress of Ultimate Dorkiness
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:30:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.175915.20864@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> drewds@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (David A Southwood) writes:
>The angel appears symbolically in the television show several times.
>Bobby is standing in front of the cross in the 4th episode.  The
>fern leaves sticking out from the cross make it look like he has wings.
>In a later episode a statuette of an angel with one wing painted black
>is shown on the shelf at Nadine's house.

If memory serves, Catherine also spoke of being saved from the mill fire by an
angel.
From: rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Garmonbozia = Windom Earle?
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: 26 Jan 1993 16:47:40 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon
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In article <rhaller-250193092420@rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu>,
rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) wrote:
 
> I did the same thing you did and came to the same conclusion. I believe
> that in that scene the MFAP says 'Garmonbozia' forwards (he clearly does in
> the final scene). If its origin was something else played backwards, he is
> not pronouncing it accurately enough to produce the original when it is
> reversed.

I went back and reviewed both the waiting room scene in the last episode
and the convenience store scene in FWWM.

In the convenience store scene, it is clear that MFAP says both
'Garmonbozia' and 'Formica table, green is its color' forwards.

In general, it appears that there are three sorts of dialog in scenes like
this:
1) true backwards
2) fake backwards
3) normal

In 1) the actor learns to recite something that is played backwards to him
and then the scene is filmed backwards. When played forward, we hear
distorted but recognizable speech. All of the dialog in the famous Dream
Sequence in the series was done this way.
2) the audio is recording normally but with the actor trying to sound like
it was done via method 1. Method 1 has some characteristic distortions that
can be imitated.  This is a short cut method that doesn't require as much
rehearsal as 1. I believe it was used for much of BOBs dialog in the famous
'taking of Windom Earle' scene in the last episode.
3) normal audio recording with no attempt to make it sound like it is 1. If
you listen to the waiting room scene in the last episode you will see that
all of Coops dialog, at least up to the point where he agrees to give up
his soul to save Annie is normal while everyone else seems to be 1 except
for possibly BOB as noted above.  I think this is interesting in its own
right. More later.

-Rich

-Rich Haller <rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu>   University of Oregon, Eugene, OR,
USA
From: nickn@midiline.la.ca.us (nick nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Twin Peaks on Bravo
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 20:19:05 PST
Organization: MIDILine BBS - Altadena, CA - (818) 797-3285

jms015@acad.drake.edu writes:

> In article <1993Jan23.015733.15635@gallant.apple.com>, larryy@gallant.apple.c
> > Just a paranoid tidbit about TP on Bravo...
> > 
> > Bravo edits their shows for "moral" reasons.  They used to be one of my
> > . . . 

In my experience, Bravo only edits out that which would earn a
movie an "R" rating - extended or graphic nudity and "foul"
language ( I saw one movie where they took the "fuck"s out but
left the "shit"s in).  I've seen "tasteful" nudity (women's
breasts, not dwelt upon) and lesbian kissing/stroking in the
movie "Desert Hearts," so I wouldn't worry about a show that
was broadcast on a network.  Also, they show their programming
uninterrupted by commercials, so you may get better copies - 
no stop/start glitches.  Of course you'll want to start with
unused blank tapes to get the best quality anyway, so it's
probably still a good idea not to tape over your existing copies.


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From: allen.michie@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Allen Michie) 
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: TEST
Date: 20 Jan 93 20:56:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ed Hopper's BBS - Berkeley Lake, GA - 404-446-9462
Reply-To: allen.michie@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Allen Michie) 

        Thanks to everyone who responded to my plea from the darkness,
wondering whether or not my message was getting through.  I'm looking
forward to hearing more from all of you--I have lots of daffy TP
theories I'm anxious to fly by you.
              
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From: rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:29:20 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon
Distribution: world
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In article <HJ22XB4w165w@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca>,
pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe) wrote:
> 
> > 
> >   I have been wondering about the whole episode myself. I have also been tryi
> > to think what the significance of the "wires" (telephone cables?) was. They
> > appeared several times in the film and are mentioned in "A Real Indication":-
> >   
> >   "...
> >    And there's WIRES in the air,
> >    ..."
> 
>  Well, remember that Lynch's favourite theme is the fundamental, primal 
> battle between True Good and True Evil (Blue Velvet, Dune, TP to a 
> certain extent). My impression was that electricity was simply "evil" -- 
> the static TV image when Banks was killed, the ominous wire shots, Cooper 
> staring into the FBI security camera, etc.. Nothing good comes out of 
> electricty in FWWM.
> 
> 
> > 
> > -Andrew-
> >   
> 
> marlowe

Don't forget what the MFAP says in the convenience store scene: "E lec
tricity".

-Rich Haller <rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu>   University of Oregon, Eugene, OR,
USA
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: jms015@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: Twin Peaks on Bravo
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 07:52:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.015733.15635@gallant.apple.com>, larryy@gallant.apple.com (Larry Yaeger) writes:
> Just a paranoid tidbit about TP on Bravo...
> 
> Bravo edits their shows for "moral" reasons.  They used to be one of my
> favorite channels, but since they started this practice a year or two
> ago I don't seek them out as much.  I have no idea whether they will
> try to trim violence, sex, or whatever out of TP, but if you're planning
> on upgrading your videotapes, I wouldn't tape over the old copies of the
> shows until you make sure the new versions are intact.  It would be a
> great service to everyone if somebody would take the trouble to verify
> whether the episodes are actually shown intact or not by comparing them
> to previous recordings or laserdisc copies.


AAAGHHHGHH!!!!!  Say it aint so!!!!  I will definitely not be taping over my
originals and will volunteer to check whether or not the edited scenes. For
people who have the TP Timeline it shouldn't be that hard.  I would be very
dissapointed if they were to even cut one second.  Well I don't even get
BRAVO yet anyway.  "That really makes me mad"  Jerry Horn to Hank epsiode
2001 or 2002.

Jeff Sass
Drake University
Computer Science Department
JMS015@acad.drake.edu
From: rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: TWIN PEAKS MARATHON or RETURN
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:49:51 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon
Distribution: na
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In article <1jeah3INNkkd@meaddata.meaddata.com>, markw@meaddata.com (Mark
Wasson) wrote:
> I had some folks over last October for a three-day marathon as a
> follow-up to FWWM.  It's a great way to see the continuity of the
> story lines, but there's much to be said for the anticipation between
> episodes as well.
> 
> Mark

Who will ever forget that feeling as "Welcome to TP" sign appeared and the
theme music played for an episode you had never seen before?

-Rich Haller <rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu>   University of Oregon, Eugene, OR,
USA
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: ash50842@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Avumede)
Subject: Garmonbozia = Windom Earle?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:32:23 GMT

Anybody remember this old thread?  Well now that the video is released we 
have a lot more to go on with the reversal of the word "garmonbozia".

If you remember correctly, someone some day posted that Garmonbozia is actually
"I is Windom Earle" backwards.  There was some debate whether this was true,
but it was generally acknowledged as a strong possibility.

However, when I reversed this on my  computer (I reversed the first Garmonbozia
heard, at the Formica Table) it didn't sound too much like "I is Windom Earle.
In fact, it sounded BACKWARDS.  Even though it HAD to be recorded forwards, I
guess the inflection had to be very weird to make it sound somewhat normal
during the reversal of the tape.  But, no, it didn't sound like ANYTHING, really
yes, I heard "I is Windom Earle" in it, but that's only because I was expecting
to hear it.  I heard a pattern in something that had no pattern.  Looking at
it objectively, I don't think it was really there.

Anyone else do the same thing and have another opinion?

-Avumede
From: boothesta@urvax.urich.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: new subscriber
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:44:20 GMT
Reply-To: boothesta@urvax.urich.edu
Organization: University of Richmond

It's nice to have finally found a colony of David Lynch fans out there
somewhere.
I have only seen FWWM once, and was wondering if it's going to make
much more sense upon multiple viewing.
Also, I am trying to get the entire series on tape, as the tapes I have are
in poor condition and some are now missing.  I am willing to pay a reasonable
sum if anyone is willing to copy the whole series for me.  Write me by mail
or call and we can talk about it.
Stacy L. Boothe
55 Birch Dr.
Blue Ridge, VA 24064
(804) 281-1825
If anyone here's anymore about Lifetime, please pass it along.
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From: kbays@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Bays)
Subject: Re: What did the vogueish woman say?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 20:01:19 GMT

In article <rhaller-230193141334@rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu> rhaller@ns.uoreg
n.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
>In FWWM while Desmond and Stanley are at Hap's Diner, an older man says
>"Are you talking about that poor little girl that was murdered?" A young
>woman dressed like a Vogue model says something to him that I can't make
>out. Anyone out there figure out what she says?
>
>-Rich Haller <rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu>   University of Oregon, Eugene, OR

>USA



Something in a language other than English.  I can't believe that no
one on here has tried to translate this line into English yet, after
all the work people put into Pierre Tremond's French line
back in the second season.  Anybody have any idea?
From: sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWMM - Questions
Keywords: FWWM TP
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:59:25 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: faulen.asd.sgi.com

>I've some questions about the movie:

i'll take number two:

> 2. Why do the grandma and her grandson (Trumont I believe) have a different
>    name in the movie? (by the way: in the credits both names are listed,
>    the name Trumont between brackets)

>CU,
> Rob Knubben

in the first season, donna takes over laura's meals on wheels route (is
that pronounced route, or route? i always get that confused) for a day,
upon the urging of a secret message "check out meals on wheels."  one
of the houses she visits is the home of ms. tremond.  here is where she
meets the grandmother and grandson (played by austin lynch, david's
nephew, or grandson, i forget) who she calls mrs. tremond.  grandma
complains about the food, grandson plays with the kreamed korn, and
donna leaves confused.  several episodes later, donna overhears andy
playing with the phrase j' aume solitair (or however those french
say "i am a lonely soul.")  this reminds her of her visit with the
kreamed korn kid, who also mentioned that phrase upon her visit. 
so she goes back to see who she thought was mrs. tremond, but instead
this time the real mrs. tremond was there, and she has no mother or
kid.  so the grandma/grandson pair was actually the chalfonts, who
paid a supernatural visit to the tremond household when donna first
visited.  in another coup the grandson also transformed in a new
mysterious and strange way, being played by a new actor, maybe to
offset the change induced by moira kelly.  more likely, little austin
had some multiplication tables to work on, and couldn't fit it into
his busy schedule.  personally, i thought he did a better job than
the new guy.

anyway, in the series, they were credited as the tremonds, since that
is the way the audience knew of them at the time, then in the movie
gave their real name, chalfont, as well as their previous name.

make sense?

sj		"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m
From: rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: owls in FWWM(was: Angel symbol in Twin Peaks)
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:07:09 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon
Distribution: usa
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In article <1jui07INN36r@meaddata.meaddata.com>, markw@meaddata.com (Mark
Wasson) wrote:
> 
> In article <1js80iINNf57@savoy.cc.williams.edu>, 96rpg@williams.edu (the Straw Dogs) writes:
> |> a question... anyone know the reason for the unexplained absence of
> |> owls in FWWM? were they also gone in the first season (i didn't tape
> |> it cos i'm stupid)? apologies if this is on a FAQ somewhere.

No one mentions owls explicitly because we don't learn 'the owls are not
what they seem' until later (episode 2001). I don't believe there are any
shots of owls as birds in FWWM unlike TP if that is what you mean.  There
are plenty of owls in non-bird form, however.
 
> There were only one or two references, etc., to owls in the first
> season.  Given the gap between the two seasons, Lynch et al had more
> time to craft out a direction for the series beyond the WKLP story.
> 
> Mark

The log lady talks a lot about the owls in 1005 when they visit her on the
way to Jacques cabin. The giant's prediction that 'the owls are not what
they seem' comes in 2001 and is confirmed by Major Briggs message from
'space' in 2002.

It is true that talk about and shots of owls are much more common in the
second season. However, interviews with Lynch and Frost make it clear that
WKLP was never meant to take on as much emphasis as it did and that they
had a lot of ideas about where they were going to go from the very first.
For example, the Ghostwood development is a separate story line that is
there from the very first. So is the Bobbie, Leo, Shelly triangle and other
triangles. The problem they ran into was that WKLP, something that was
intended just as a device to introduce characters and uncover other goings
on as part of the investigation became the public focus.

Originally there was no intention to solve the murder (Kyle interview),
though they knew who did it from the first (Ray Wise interview). It would
just fade into the background as the machinations and secrets of the other
TP characters came to the foreground. This proved to be much more difficult
than they imagined and their failure to give the public what it wanted
along those lines did irreparable damage to its popularity, and ultimately,
its viability.

-Rich Haller <rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu>   University of Oregon, Eugene, OR,
USA
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: kupec@agouron.com (John W. Kupec)
Subject: Re: Garmonbozia = Windom Earle?
Organization: Agouron Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:55:28 GMT

In article <C1ECtz.KEA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, ash50842@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Avumede) writes:
|> Anybody remember this old thread?  Well now that the video is released we 
|> have a lot more to go on with the reversal of the word "garmonbozia".
|> 
|> If you remember correctly, someone some day posted that Garmonbozia is actually
|> "I is Windom Earle" backwards.  There was some debate whether this was true,
|> but it was generally acknowledged as a strong possibility.
|> 
|> However, when I reversed this on my  computer (I reversed the first Garmonbozia
|> heard, at the Formica Table) it didn't sound too much like "I is Windom Earle.
|> In fact, it sounded BACKWARDS.  Even though it HAD to be recorded forwards, I
|> guess the inflection had to be very weird to make it sound somewhat normal
|> during the reversal of the tape.  But, no, it didn't sound like ANYTHING, really
|> yes, I heard "I is Windom Earle" in it, but that's only because I was expecting
|> to hear it.  I heard a pattern in something that had no pattern.  Looking at
|> it objectively, I don't think it was really there.
|> 
|> Anyone else do the same thing and have another opinion?
|> 
|> -Avumede


Yeah I tried it on a Mac with SoundEdit Pro.  It sounded like "I is Windom
Earle"  (more or less).  It's been a while since I've played with it but I 
seem to remember that I couldn't account for the hard "g" sound at the 
beginning of Garmonbozia.  That left a nasty sound at the end of "Earle".
-- 

The Right Honorable John Kupec (kupec@agouron.com)
Agouron Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
San Diego, CA  92121 (619) 622-3040
From: cs_e404@king.ac.uk (Sean Batten)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: TP FAQ
Date: 26 Jan 1993 12:00:00 GMT
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Where can I get hold of the TP FAQ

Regards,
	Sean Batten.

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From: cainesaj@vax1.bham.ac.uk (Andrew J. Caines)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:23:58 GMT
Organization: University of Birmingham
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In article <1993Jan22.221048.28114@athena.mit.edu>, cyrano@athena.mit.edu (Spaceman Spiff) writes:
> 
> i finally got to FWWM over christmas break, but parts of it left me puzzled...
> 
> could someone tell me what was the significance of the character david bowie
> played??  and when agent cooper saw himself on the security camera at the fbi
> office, what did that mean???

  I have been wondering about the whole episode myself. I have also been trying
to think what the significance of the "wires" (telephone cables?) was. They
appeared several times in the film and are mentioned in "A Real Indication":-
  
  "...
   And there's WIRES in the air,
   ..."

-Andrew-