HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: 2-Cylinder Honda 500?
Organization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:24:43 GMT

In article <1889@tekgen.bv.tek.com> davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.092113.1@skcla.monsanto.com> mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>>
>>In 1978 or so, was there a 2-cylinder Honda 500 or 550 (or something close?)
>>
>>If so, what was it, and were they anything interesting?
>>
>   Yes, the CB500T.  It was essentially a CB450 with a stroker crank.
>They're not much more interesting than a CB450, except to vintage racers

I think you mistyped.  Didn't you mean "There's not much more interesting
than a CB450"???

>(like myself) who covet the extra 50cc's and the 5-speed gearbox.

After some magic date (maybe '69), the CB and CL450's had 5-speed boxes.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              Lachman Technology, Incorporated
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re: Colorado Helmet Law (Proposed)
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:46:57 GMT

In article <3032@monarch.array.com>, kenm@array.com (Ken Murphy) writes:
|> Not to get into the for/against helmet laws debates, I just thought 
|> I would let all that are interested, that a bill was introduced 
|> earlier this week that will make helmets mandatory in the state
|> of Colorado.

who introduceded it? hopefully not the bitch from longmont
that has been trying for years to get it passed. and hope
fully its someone that i can vote out of office.

laz
you know of course you just started another war
From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Mechanism of brake hydraulics
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:52:57 GMT
Reply-To: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Someone asked another brake question...

The hydraulic system is not air tight.  There is a small hole in the
top of the master cylinder which allows air in as brake fluid moves
down.  There is also a rubber boot here, who's intent is to keep the
bad stuff out of the fluid.

Your manual recommeds that you loosen the valve on the caliper when
pushing back the pucks for new (bigger) pads.  This makes the job easier
but is not necessary.  the fluid CAN be pushed up the line to the maseter
cylinder.  It just takes a while.

Ussually a system is designed so that if you fill the reservoir whenb
the pads are new, it will not run out of fluid (ie, push all the fluid
down into the pucks as the pads are worn) before the pads are gone.

	<================================================> 
       /        Rich Sturges           (h) 703-536-4443   \
      /    NSWC - Carderock Division   (w) 301-227-1670    \
     /  "I speak for no one else, and listen to the same."  \
    <========================================================>
From: vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Von Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: '83 KZ650 Brakes?
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:05:50 GMT
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois

In article <93026.170039AMR113@psuvm.psu.edu>, <AMR113@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> Hi there,
>    I have a '83 KZ650 CSR.  It has a single disk brake on the front wheel.  I
>find that the lever effort required stop the bike anything like quickly is ver
>y, very high.  A friend of mine suggested that I buy a new set of brake pads fo
>r the front.  You DOD members seem to have quite a few years of riding experien
>ce under your belts, so I thought I would ask you.  Would new brake pads help m
>e stop the bike with less lever effort?  Would I have to specify to the dealer
>that I wanted a different type(compound) of pads than the normal replacements?
>     I would appreciate any input about making the brakes more effective.
|>                                        Thanks a lot
|>                                        Rube
|>                                        AMA# 668927

Well, if you haven't bled the brakes I'd do that first. Look at the pads,
if they're worn almost gone or if they're glazed (real shiney looking) then
yes, replace them. Hell, they aren't that expensive, take an afternoon
and replace the pads and bleed 'em (or even consider flushing and refilling
the brake fluid).

-- 
Von Welch (vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu)	NCSA Networking Development Group
'93 CBR600F2			'78 KZ650		'83 Subaru GL 4WD

- I speak only for myself and those who think exactly like me -
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Nationalized Lawyers  was Re: pitch fo
Date: 26 Jan 1993 15:17:11 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 4790@bnr.uk, npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:
>
>Our postal service is the envy of most countries.  91% (?) of first class
>letters are delivered by the following day, even from Cornwall to the 
>Highlands of Scotland.  

Oooooh!

Real nifty accomplishment, there, Nick... considering the entire UK
will fit nicely inside Texas!

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: time to buy tires for the R100R
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:51:06 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <JET.93Jan26135312@boxer.nas.nasa.gov> jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
>It is for ME55's, I suspect.  I've talked to a few other folks who get
>between 3800 and 4500 miles on a ME55.  I do a *lot* of engine
>braking, so I'm not surprised it's gone at 4K

Stupid Question time:

Why would lots of engine braking make a difference, as opposed to 
the reg'lar kind?




-- 
Ray Shea                           "Ladies and gentlemen, I'm a cook!"     
UniSQL, Inc.                                               --Stubbs
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu                 
DoD #0372 -- Team Twinkie -- '88 Hawk NT650
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
Subject: alt.motorcycles.harley
Organization: Fulcrum Communications
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:16:59 GMT

I note that the alt.motorcycles.harley group has gone terribly quiet.
Got bored talking to your fellow owners? Same old subjects - you know,
can't get it started, rust on the exhausts, where can I get a Harley
beer coaster, etc.

Well, welcome back guys, we didn't miss you at all. :-)
Regards,
============================================================================
Richard Taylor                  DoD #981                 (rct@fulcrum.co.uk)
"I just need enough to tide me over until I need more."		- Bill Hoest
============================================================================
Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5LD, ENGLAND.
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Courier bag:  Do you have one?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:12:18 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 461@pages.com, bigdog!jon (Jon Wright) writes:
>
>I asked somebody at MotoPort about this and they said the ceramic magnets,  
>which were more powerful than the previous metalic ones, were also polarized or  
>uni-directional or something, which prevented screwing up your disks and cards.   

They are impregnated with magnetic monopoles.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: All-wheel drive???
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:26:36 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Dances With Bikers (blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com) wrote:
: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
: 
: >All that aside, it's an incorrect followup.  Everyone knows that
: >the JAS engines (not to be confused with JAP engines) had legendarily
: >high efficiencies, due largely to the cylinder design.  Instead of
: >relying on conventional piston rings (with their attendant frictional
: >losses) to seal the cylinders, the JAS engines used prelubricated
: >piston sheaths, made of sheep intestines, to assure a leak-free, low
: >friction tight fit.
: 
: While you are quite correct on the generalities Jonathan, I believe that
: the original design used llama intestines, with the move to sheep
: occuring with the production models. I've not yet been able to determine
: if the change was required by regulatory agencies, or if it was a simple
: cost cutting measure.

I think that change was the result of a successful lobbying effort on
the part of Scots sheep herders.  It was much better politically to 
avoid getting parts from foreigners.
--

*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck                                          ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu *
* Computing Center at Virginia Tech, not Vermont ----------------------^^     *
*******************************************************************************
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Town Bike??
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:03:13 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher (egreen@East.Sun.COM) wibbled:
: In article 21597@cas.org, jdh64@cas.org (Dave Huddle) leers:
: >
: >Saw this misplaced article over in  misc.fittness & moved it over here 
: >where it belongs!!

: OK, so what the hell is there about it that belongs here?!?

: ---
: Ed Green, the bikeless wonder.


Well Ed, it's sexist, inflammatory, moto-orientated, probably completely
unfounded and bound to provoke some strange remarks.

Got a bike yet?


Nick (the Bike'd Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford


M'Lud.
From: bloom@inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: TDM 850, Gagiva 900
Date: 27 Jan 93 08:29:33 CST
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

In article <1993Jan21.154455.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi>, rasimus@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes:
> 
> 
>         How much does TDM 850 and Gagiva 900 cost (appr.) in States?
> 
>         Arto
> 

The Cagiva 900 is approximately $9500 including tax and delivery.
.....Dr. Doom
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Nothing to do with Anything
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:13:01 GMT
Organization: The cafe at the Edge of the Universe

pursell@cheshire.oxy.edu (William Robert Pursell) writes:
+But seriously....this article has nothing to do with
+the subject "backed into" or "re:backed into".  
+I'm probably being overly sensitive, but I would
+like to suggest that everyone start a new subject
+line when they start up a new subject!
+
+-Bill

Something tells me this chap hasn't been on the net very long.  Likely
needs to be sent a copy of "Netiquette, Fact or Fantasy."

Heck, he doesn't even have a DoD#.  He needs a copy of the FAQ, too...

Mr. Bill
-- 
+    Bill Leavitt     +    '82 CBX "White Lightning", '82 GS850G "Suzibago"   +
+ leavitt@cs.umd.edu  +  '76 CJ360 "Little Honda", '68 Lone Star "Sick Leave" +
+ AMA, ICOA, DoD 224  +  '69 Impala convertible "The Incredible Hulk", others +
+ "Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!" Michael "Poppa" Bain +
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Hemming Leather Pants
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:31:38 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: Elect Armts Div, US Army Armt RDE Ctr, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

In article <1jovhaINN52i@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed
Green - Pixel Cruncher) wrote:
> 
> In article 28190@sybase.sybase.com, leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey) writes:
> >
> >Damnear any sewing
> >machine will sew garment leather (which is what I presume the pants are
> >made of) -- but do make sure you have a heavy-duty needle.  
> 
> If you don't have a sewing machine (or don't trust Leigh Ann), find a
> shoe repair shop.  I've found the little hole in the wall shops,
> downtown, with the 80 year old man, do the best work.  They've got all
> the stuff for sewing leather, putting in grommets, zippers, etc.
> Reasonable prices, and they usually do really good work, it being such
> a nice change of pace for them and a break from fixing buckles on
> smelly old shoes.

I got some gloo from a crafts store (on recommendation of a friend's wife),
which smells just like the stuff the shoe repair guys use. So far, it seems
to have held up well, but then I've only worn them once. (Damn if I can
figger out how to carry my skis on the K-whiner.) As Leigh Ann says, I can
always sew them up later, should the gloo begin to let go.

ObGABE: GetABikeEd.

                tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: Opinions?  Jawa Sidecar on a Wing?
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:44:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.005135.16690@nsscmail.att.com> cel@nsscmail.att.com (clayton EDward LEIHY iii) writes:
>My SO thinks it would be neat if we put a sidecar on our 86 Aspencade
>(then she would give her 86 Shadow to our 26-year-old son as a
>birthday present, and she would co-pilot the Wing).  I don't mind
>this idea, even tho I've never driven/ridden a bike with an extra
>wheel.  I'm willing to learn.
>
>The question is:  The closest/cheapest sidecar dealer to NJ is this
>Jawa distributor on Long Island who says, "yeah, their sidecards
>will fit on a Gold Wing; just drive it up and we'll put it on while
>you wait."
>
>Sounds fine to me.  What's wrong here?
>

Nothing. Although the Wing is certainly capable of pulling a larger, plusher,
more expensive hack. The Jawas are small and light enough that the Wing gearing
can probably handle it. The larger, nicer hacks may require a different ratio.
To get it *really* right requires a lot more than just bolting it on and 
adjusting toe-in and lean-out, but this might be okay just to see if you 
really want to drive a hack. My experience with such rigs was pleasant, but
after a year or two I found I was dissatisfied. I'd like another rig, but 
I want leading link forks, square profile automotive tires, and lower gearing.

Jeff Achenbach
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Drops
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:57:39 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1993Jan20.213346.13286@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>In article <Jan20.174213.77067@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> hamiltoj@CS.ColoState.EDU (j hamilton) writes:
>>Jody I can't believe you took the guys boots when he crashed!!
>>I mean the DoD supports a lot of things but buying the boots a guy
>>rides in when he's at his lowest, well-- thats low.  I'm ashamed!!
>
>Well, he didn't need them anymore....


Maybe he wanted to have them auctioned off...

-- 
Ray Shea                                      
UniSQL, Inc.                             Sometimes I feel like a blue dog.
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu                                     -- The Blue Dog
DoD #0372 -- Team Twinkie -- '88 Hawk NT650
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: really, really waterproof gloves?
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:39:34 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Jon Wright (bigdog!jon) wrote:
: Nick Pettefar writes
: > For waterproof leather gloves, try Frank Thomas Aqua Gloves.  They are  
: British,
: > warm and waterproof.  I don't know if they are available over where you are
: > though.  I have been using them for five years now and they are good.

: From all the articles I've read in the Brit magazines, people either hate 
: Frank Thomas stuff or really like it.  Those who oughta know include a bunch
: of dispatch riders interviewed in SuperBike.  There seemed to be a fairly 
: good consensus on Frank Thomas stuff but enough questions about the 
: durability to make it a chancey buy.  At any rate, nobody imports those 
: goodies over on this side of the pond, which is a pity because if anybody 
: knows anything about rainwear it should be the Brits, right?

The Aqua gloves that I use consist of, amongst other things,  specially 
treated leather, a layer of waterproof stuff, a layer of Thinsulate and a 
strong lining.  They lasted me for about 40,000 miles of riding over 3 years
but I managed to hole them in the thumb after wearing them when using a heavy
chainsaw for about nine months (as well as using them for biking).  The
replacements I bought at the Birmingham NEC Bike Show in December (ask David 
Jevans, he was with me) are a lot fancier (the originals were black with black
on black), reach further up the arms and use a lot of Kevlar.  One of the 
small sew-on fancy labels has started to come off which is slightly worrying.

The treated leather means that they can be left on radiators, etc to dry
and the leather doesn't go white and spoil.  The Thinsulate keeps your hands
very warm, I used mine when biking at -13'C which is warm for some of you, I
know but cold for me.

If you want to know anymore, I will get the name and number of the people
who I am sure will send you a catalogue and sell you some gloves, etc, 
wherever you live.

I am going to purchase a pair of their Aqua-Boots and leather jeans so I will
let you know how they are.  I have to wait until I get paid first, though.


Nick (the Aqua-Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford  Frank-Thomas Catalogue 


M'Lud.
From: vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Von Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: really, really waterproof gloves?
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:09:45 GMT
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois

In article <1993Jan27.000605.2200@tcsi.com>, markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes:
|> I have some Fieldsheer gloves that used to turn my hands blue just
|> from sweat alone.
stuff deleted...

Every new pair of unlined leather gloves turn my hands black the first dozen or
so times I wear them. I just make sure I don't wear new gloves riding my cycle
to any formal balls I go to.

-- 
Von Welch (vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu)	NCSA Networking Development Group
'93 CBR600F2			'78 KZ650		'83 Subaru GL 4WD

- I speak only for myself and those who think exactly like me -
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bigdog!jon (Jon Wright)
Subject: Re: CBR900RR vs. GTS1000A
Organization: Pages Software Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:00:06 GMT

Jorg Klinger writes

> The Yamaha apparently doesn't handle better than a conventional bike.
> The ELF certainly had a shot and lots of development.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Unfortunately the ELF was not a good example, as there were other theories  
being tested out as well on the bike, complicating the evolutionary process.  A  
case of too many variables at the same time, under race conditions.

>   An often reoccuring topic on rec.moto is the comfort level of one
> bike versus another. Yamaha should have given us a version of the Morpho
> (fully adjustable ergonomics) instead of the GTS. The GTS, the answer to
> a question nobody asked.

The Morpho would've been nice, too, but the quest for a flex-free front end and  
superior anti-dive have been questions asked for decades.  James Parker and  
Bimota didn't just decide to make a trick front end for kicks, although it  
seems Sbarro has.

>   I'm not saying that the GTS front end won't develop into something
> better, it's just that I haven't heard a lot of complaints about
> conventional front ends.                        ^^^^^^^^^^

Not true.  Racers who've run the Bimota Tesi remark that once they'd gotten  
used to it, the braking without the associated dive allowed them to dive  
tighter and exit cleaner without the added forces acting on the front tire.   
Lack of front fork flex was also commented on, providing reassurance to the  
rider that what he could now do was indeed within his grasp (the mental  
battle).

Don't forget, an added benefit is to "centralize" the mass lower than  
conventional bikes (although not necessarily longitudinally).
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cstringe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Chuck Stringer)
Subject: Re: 2-Cylinder Honda 500?
Organization: Indiana University, University Computing Services
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:03:16 GMT

ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid) writes:
| In article <1993Jan22.092113.1@skcla.monsanto.com>,
| 	 mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes... 
| >Quick Question.
| 
| >In 1978 or so, was there a 2-cylinder Honda 500 or 550 (or something close?)
| 
| >If so, what was it, and were they anything interesting?
| 
| 	CB500T, I think.  Developed from the old CB450 (the one with torsion-
| bar valve springs).  From all reports it was quite a dog, and it only lasted
| a year or two.


Also the water-cooled CX500 and CX500 Custom came out that year. They
were shaft driven V-twins with the engine mounted sideway ala Moto
Guzzi. Heavy but reliable.


Chuck Stringer       DoD# 794      'If it can't be learned from TV, it isn't
1967 BSA Spitfire                           worth knowing'  -Calvin
Email- cstringe@ucs.indiana.edu.
From: cam@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Need info on EX500
Date: 24 Jan 93 13:12:18 GMT
Reply-To: cam@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Organization: Dept AI, Edinburgh University, Scotland

jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer) writes:
>In article <RTARAZ.93Jan21122856@bigwpi.WPI.EDU> rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:

>>I am asking this because I am totaly depressed.
>> ... Anyway, this FZR was so much faster that my EX that brought
>>tear to my eyes.  

>  Seems like the solution is obvious.

Yup. Wear tighter trousers.

-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aipna   +44 (0)31 667 1011 x2550
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Know of any motorcycles movies?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:21:30 GMT

In article <C16BD7.DuG@cmptrc.lonestar.org> neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:
}With all the posts on "Masters of Menace", does anyone want to nominate it
}as the "official DoD moto-movie?"

The official movie of the DoD would be the MoM? Sounds a bit too Ozzie
and Harriet to me, but then I haven't seen the movie yet.

I still stick by my nomination of the Lone Biker of the Apocalypse in
Raising Arizona as the quintessential DoD role model. Unless you guys
have started liking cute little bunnies instead of llamas....
-- 
Curtis Jackson			'91 Black Lab/Blue Heeler "Studley Doright"
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'92 Collie/Golden "George"
DoD #721	KotB		'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
"I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead." -- J. Buffett
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles