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From: norstan@oar.net (Steve Frazier)
Subject: elm 2.3 PL11 submit error
Keywords: 2.3 PL11
Organization: OARnet, Columbus, OH.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:39:51 GMT


I just installed elm 2.3 PL11 and I am getting the following when trying
to send mail out:

submit:message submissions aborted
submit:no valid author specification present

I am running SCO ODT 2.0 MMDF

Does anyone know what this problem could be?

Thanks in advance

Steve
From: pkn@cs.utexas.edu (Kay Nettle)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
Subject: need help with From: line
Date: 14 Sep 1992 13:09:59 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: deepthought.cs.utexas.edu

Hi, I'm having a problem with the From: line, it comes out like

	From: pkn@tac.tac.harc.edu (Kay Nettle - Systems Manager)

instead of

	From: pkn@tac.harc.edu (Kay Nettle - Systems Manager)

This has to be a mush problem, cause I tried it with /usr/ucb/mail and
the From: line came out right.  I'm using mush 7.1.1 on a Sun3 running
4.1.1.  Before I spend lots of time working on it, I thought I'd ask
if anyone else has fixed this problem.

Please reply by mail, since I don't get to read the news very often.

Thanks,
Kay
From: ingber@umiacs.umd.edu (Lester Ingber)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
Subject: processing with non-stdin UNIX commands?
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:18:02 GMT
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

How can I work on my mail messages while in MUSH using some UNIX
commands that do not accept stdin?

E.g., I'd like to use ispell, mhvac (a perl program which strips
out certain headers, which I've modified to take in regular files),
etc.  These programs have in common that they rewrite the file
they are working on.

Thanks.

Lester
-- 
  * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
  *                                                 *
  *               Prof. Lester Ingber               *
  *           ____________________________          *
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
From: bart@zigzag.UUCP (Bart Schaefer)
Subject: Re: Backend for sendmail wanted (that won't crash MUSH)
Reply-To: bart@zigzag.z-code.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:35:20 GMT

On Sep 6,  8:30pm, Jeffrey L Bromberger wrote:
} Subject: Backend for sendmail wanted (that won't crash MUSH)
}
} I am running a vanilla SysV machine, and I'm looking for a back end for
} sendmail.  This should be able to add local mail to mailboxes.

If you've got sendmail you aren't really vanilla SysV. :-)

} You see, I have this "pseudo-hack" that I'm using now, but there are
} problems with the MUA called MUSH.  Whenever I am using mush, and mail
} comes in, there's a 50/50 chance I get the following messages:
} 
} Unable to lock "/usr/spool/mail/jeffrey": Permission denied
} Unable to open /usr/spool/mail/jeffrey: Permission denied
} Can't load new mail: "/usr/spool/mail/jeffrey" may be corrupted!
} 
} I have no option at this choice but to abort mush and lose the changes
} I have made to my mailbox.  This gets very frustrating :-(

On a vanilla SysV machine, you should be compiling Mush with DOT_LOCK
defined and the binary needs to be set-group-id to group "mail".  I'm
guessing (since you are asking about local delivery agents) that you
have the admin permissions necessary to do this.  Mush revokes its
setgid permissions when it starts up and only reinstates them when it
needs to lock the spoolfile.  These changes should make Mush work fine
with SysV /bin/mail as the local delivery agent.

If you already have DOT_LOCK and setgid "mail", then I don't know what
the problem is.  It looks (from the source) like the locking call to
fcntl(fd, F_SETLKW, &l); is returning -1 and errno = EPERM, but I can't
imagine why it would fail with EPERM only part of the time.  (If the
fopen() were failing with EPERM, you wouldn't see the "Unable to lock",
so it doesn't have anything to do with mandatory locking or the like.)

} My request - any suggestions on the best one to use?

Either Chip Salzenberg's "deliver" or S.R. van den Berg's "procmail".
(Does "berg" mean "local delivery agent" in Dutch or something? ;-)
Patch #5 for mush will include procmail's NFS-secure lockfile creation
routines; "deliver" uses a similar technique.  You can do a lot more
run-time customization of deliver; procmail is smaller and possibly a
little more robust in the face of a near-disastrous lack of system
resources (though deliver is reasonably good about this too).

Get deliver from comp.sources.reviewed, procmail from comp.sources.misc
(I believe, somebody will correct me).

-- 
Bart Schaefer                                     schaefer@zigzag.z-code.com
Z-Code Software Corp.                             schaefer@z-code.com
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
From: marpia@sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de (David Powers [Informatik])
Subject: where to find mush-pc
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:47:48 GMT

I can't find an FAQ for comp.mail.mush, and archie hasn't turned up
anything that looks like mush for the pc.

Can anybody help with a source (archive via ftp or server)?

dP
From: bart@zigzag.UUCP (Bart Schaefer)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
Subject: Re: Bug in mush 7.2.4
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:53:41 GMT
Reply-To: bart@zigzag.z-code.com
Organization: The Internet

On Aug 29,  2:33am, Roger Cornelius wrote:
} Subject: Re: Bug in mush 7.2.4
}
} In article <1052@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu>, rnb@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu (Robert N. Berlinger) writes:
} > Also, for the last several version of mush at least, pick -ago seems
} > to glitch out, e.g., doing a pick -ago -1w says
} > 
} > Searching for messages that contain "w l
} > 					".
} 
} I can confirm this also, in 7.2.4 at least.  I don't have time to
} track it down unfortunately.  mush is compiled using regcmp() and
} friends, if that's any help.  regcmp is mentioned in the error message.
} It appears regcmp is being passed an unitialized pointer.

Has nothing to do with regcmp().  The patch below will be included in patch
#5, to be out Real Soon Now [next week].  Mush has now been sent through the
"purify" memory leak/corruption checker and a lot of bugs in the new POP
code were squashed.  Mush itself passes with flying colors (no warnings and
zero leaked bytes, though I haven't purified the SunView part).

*** pick.c	Wed Nov 20 23:42:33 1991
--- /tmp/d13841	Mon Sep  7 08:52:10 1992
***************
*** 74,80 ****
      head_cnt = tail_cnt = -1;
      match_priority = 0;
      icase = before = after = search_from = search_subj = search_to = xflg = 0;
!     mdy[0] = mdy[1] = search_hdr[0] = 0;
      while (*argv && *++argv && (**argv == '-' || **argv == '+'))
  	if (**argv == '+' || isdigit(argv[0][1])) {
  	    if (**argv == '+')
--- 74,80 ----
      head_cnt = tail_cnt = -1;
      match_priority = 0;
      icase = before = after = search_from = search_subj = search_to = xflg = 0;
!     pattern[0] = mdy[0] = mdy[1] = search_hdr[0] = 0;
      while (*argv && *++argv && (**argv == '-' || **argv == '+'))
  	if (**argv == '+' || isdigit(argv[0][1])) {
  	    if (**argv == '+')
***************
*** 166,172 ****
  	return -1;
      }
      if (!mdy[1]) {
- 	pattern[0] = 0;
  	(void) argv_to_string(pattern, argv);
  	if (pattern[0] == '\0' && match_priority == 0 &&
  		head_cnt + tail_cnt < 0) {
--- 166,171 ----

-- 
Bart Schaefer                                     schaefer@zigzag.z-code.com
Z-Code Software Corp.                             schaefer@z-code.com
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
From: bart@zigzag.UUCP (Bart Schaefer)
Subject: Re: Forwarded mail
Reply-To: bart@zigzag.z-code.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:33:57 GMT

On Sep 9,  5:41am, Anestis Kozakis <rez@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au> wrote:
} Subject: Forwarded mail
}
} How do I forward mail I get from one person to another person?

There are a whole bunch of ways ... suppose you want to forward message
number 11:

      11  N  one-person@mush-user.edu  Sep  9, (37/1663) "Forwarding mail"
    Msg 11 of 101: mail -f 11 another-person
		   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That sends the message right away, without giving you a chance to add
anything, so it looks to another-person as if the message came directly
from one-person.  If you want to add something, you can do this:

    Msg 11 of 101: mail -e -f 11 another-person
		   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The -e means "edit", and it puts you in your editor (vi) with message 11
already in the file.

Or you can do this:

    Msg 11 of 101: mail another-person
    To: another-person
    Subject: Hi, I'm forwarding a message

    ~f 11
    ^^^^^
The ~f command reads the message you want to forward into the one you are
sending.  You can then use ~v to go into vi to edit it.  If instead you
want to include the message with indentation at the beginning of each line,
like I did with yours, you can use:

    ~i 11

The ~i (for "include") command looks at the pre_indent_str, indent_str,
and post_indent_str variables to format the included text.

And of course there's a way to do this from the mush shell prompt, too:

    Msg 11 of 101: mail -i 11 another-person
		   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

} i.e someone sends me mail and I want to send it to another person
} without having to save the mail and exiting mush, and then typing 
} mush <username> and doing a :-r in vi (like I currently am...).

You never have to exit from mush to do anything that you could do when
using mush from your sh or csh prompt.  The "SH" in "MUSH" stands for
"shell".

-- 
Bart Schaefer                                     schaefer@zigzag.z-code.com
Z-Code Software Corp.                             schaefer@z-code.com
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
From: c.CRepin@ic.ac.UK
Subject: Setting a "Reply-To: " field
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:02:03 GMT

Could someone please tell me what option I have to include in the
.mushrc file to have a Reply-To field automatically set.
At the moment I am editing my header manually every time I require
such a modification. Cheers,

O.

-- 
Olivier M.J. Crepin-Leblond, Digital Comms. Section, Elec. Eng. Department
 Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine, London SW7 2BT, UK
      Internet/Bitnet: <ocl@cc.ic.ac.uk> - Janet: <ocl@uk.ac.ic.cc>

Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
From: michael@jarthur.claremont.edu (Michael Elkins)
Subject: Re: Forwarded mail
Keywords: forwarding...
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:11:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.054114.9625@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> rez@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Anestis Kozakis <Rez>) writes:
>How do I forward mail I get from one person to another person?
>i.e someone sends me mail and I want to send it to another person
>without having to save the mail and exiting mush, and then typing 
>mush <username> and doing a :-r in vi (like I currently am...).
>Any and all answers appreciated.

Try:
	:pick -f from@address | mail -f forward@address

--me

--
Michael Elkins - CS Sys Op, Harvey Mudd College - michael@jarthur.Claremont.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
From: rez@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Anestis Kozakis <Rez>)
Subject: Forwarded mail
Summary: How do you do it?
Keywords: forwarding...
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:41:14 GMT

How do I forward mail I get from one person to another person?
i.e someone sends me mail and I want to send it to another person
without having to save the mail and exiting mush, and then typing 
mush <username> and doing a :-r in vi (like I currently am...).
Any and all answers appreciated.
Rez.
-- 
Anestis Kozakis
rez@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au               ent670w@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au
"Off days" are a part of life, I guess, whether you're a cartoonist, a
neurosurgeon, or an air-traffic controller. -- Gary Larson.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
From: buck@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Jesse Buckley)
Subject: Re: filtering the response
Keywords: filter, responding
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:22:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.132940.25322@corwin.barra.com> robertb@BARRA.COM (Robert Brown) writes:
>
>I asked this question long ago, but I don't think it ever actually got
>posted...
>
>I'd like to be able to specify a filter of some sort that filters the
>message that I'm responding to before it gets "autoinclude"d.  I would
>prefer that this filter be an executeable that I can specify, perhaps
>through a variable.
>
>The reason I want to do this is to filter tabs into spaces because the
>tabs get all messed up once they get the indent_str is put onto the
>beginning of each line.
>
>Does anyone know how I can do this?  Is this possible with the current
>mush?  If it is not possible, has anyone implemented something like
>this?

With perl all things are possible.  =)

Set your editor to detabed.  Don't forget this is a hack...

#! /usr/local/bin/perl
#
# Author: Jesse R. Buckley, Jr. (buck@sunyit.edu NIC:JRB69)
#
# detabed -- A quick hack to use tabs the right way...
#
# Useage: detabed file prefix
#

$TEMP	= "$ENV{'HOME'}/.mushtmp$$";
$FILE	= $ARGV[0];
$EDITOR = $ENV{'EDITOR'} || "/usr/ucb/vi";

$prefix= $ARGV[1] || '} ';	# The stuff in the 'quotes' 
				# is the default prefix.
open(IN,"$FILE");
open(OUT,">$TEMP");

$prelen = length($prefix);
while(<IN>)
{

    if (/^$prefix/o)
    {


	$_ = substr($_,$prelen);
	# This is taken verbatim from the Camel book.
        1 while s/\t+/' ' x (length($&) * 8 - length($`) % 8)/e;
	print OUT "$prefix$_";

    }
    else
    {
        print OUT;
    }

}
close(OUT);
system("cp $TEMP $FILE");
system("rm -f $TEMP");
system("$EDITOR $FILE");


-- 
=) Buck (buck@sunyit.edu)
"There are some micro-organisms that exhibit characteristics of both plants
and animals.  When exposed to light they undergo photosynthesis; and when the
lights go out, they turn into animals.  But then again, don't we all?"
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: Re: Forwarded mail
Reply-To: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:43:13 GMT

In article <9209090833.ZM16587@zigzag>, bart@zigzag.UUCP (Bart Schaefer) writes:
> 
> You never have to exit from mush to do anything that you could do when
> using mush from your sh or csh prompt.  The "SH" in "MUSH" stands for
> "shell".
> 

   I suppose you mean that you can execute shell commands in MUSH
(assuming it does not conflict with MUSH commands), though you
can't use the editing features as in tcsh (which is essentially
csh with the editing features added to it).  See my other
post concerning "inline editing".  If this is not the case,
I would like to know.

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu

Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
From: schaefer@z-code.COM (Bart Schaefer)
Subject: Re: Setting a "Reply-To: " field
Reply-To: schaefer@z-code.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:26:59 GMT

On Sep 7,  8:02pm, c.CRepin@ic.ac.UK wrote:
} Subject: Setting a "Reply-To: " field
}
} Could someone please tell me what option I have to include in the
} .mushrc file to have a Reply-To field automatically set.

my_hdr Reply-To: $user@$hostname

-- 
Bart Schaefer                                      Vice President, Engineering
schaefer@z-code.com                                Z-Code Software Corporation
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: Inline editing
Reply-To: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:36:42 GMT


   I am wondering if there is an inline editing feature in mush.
What I mean is that sometimes I have typed something, and would like
to go back and edit something without having to delete all consecutive
letters I have typed in.   I use tcsh as my main shell, which acts
something like emacs, hence Control-b will back up one letter
without deleting it.  Control-p which, in emacs, backs up one
line, but in tcsh it yanks back the previous command, and 
consecutive uses of Control-p will yank back the command previous
to that and so on.  Anyway, this would be a nice feature to have.

   I have heard that mush is only being updated for bugs, and
that most of the work has really gone into Z-mail, so I am
not expecting that this will come through.  

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
From: atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.mush
Subject: mush on HPUX
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:36:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, DC

I just built mush(1) for HPUX 8.0 on an HP 700.

  It didn't quite build correctly out of the mush.7.2.3.tar.Z tape I
got off of the net.  In particular, several files needed to

	#include <sys/termio.h> 

in order to compile correctly and there were a couple of places where
HPUX was closer to being BSD than SYSV for #ifdef purposes (these were
minor tweaks).  Also, mush(1) didn't compile with the current version
of GCC as installed on our system.  It isn't clear what the problem
was with GCC.

Overall, it built fairly easily despite the above problems.  Mush(1)
is frankly much better than the HP-supplied elm(1) mail user agent.

  However, mush(1) only works on the HP console or over a modem with
my DEC vt220 from home.  mush(1) will dump core "bus error" when run
from a stock xterm under HPUX with X11R4.

Has anyone seen any sort of xterm/mush problem before now ??
Clues on where to look and what to test would be helpful.

Thanks,

  Ran
  atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil
Newsgroups: comp.doc.techreports,news.answers
From: stderic7@cicero.spc.uchicago.edu (Eric Camburn)
Subject: UNIX Spreadsheet for HP-UX 730
Organization: U of Chicago, SSPPCC
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:58:51 GMT

I would like to install a spreadsheet program on a Hewlett Packard
730 workstation with a UNIX operating system.  I'd appreciate knowing
what companies if any have produced programs for this platform, and 
any opinions about which programs are better than others.

Thanks.

Eric Camburn
abaeric7@spc.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: comp.apps.spreadsheets
From: tomho@microunity.com (Tom Ho)
Subject: Re: import ascii
Keywords: ascii, 123
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:19:36 GMT

Another comment for Excel ascii import:  You can also "add-in" the macro file "flatfile" which resides in the Macro Library folder.  This macro will give you the command "Smart Parse" under the Data command.  This feature will give better feature for parsing the data.
--
     Tom Ho       tomho@microunity.com       (408) 734-8100
Newsgroups: comp.apps.spreadsheets
From: gary@resumix.portal.com (Gary M. Lin)
Subject: Re: Borland is stupid
Keywords: Quattro Pro Lotus
Organization: Resumix Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 16:13:46 GMT

phw@genghis.borland.com (Peter Weyzen) writes:

>> "Borland is Stupid"

>Thanks a lot! 
>I'm not sure if I have something nice to say about you?


Yeah?  Well, Borland isn't our customer just yet.  Ha!

I don't see any Borland suits at trade shows pushing anything except
goofy buttons that no one wants.  Then again, what are you waiting for?

Microsoft to finish NT on MIPS and Alpha, so I can run Excel and blow
the socks off QPro?  Okay, so who cares if Lotus ported 1-2-3 for IBM
mainframes, but at least they know they can do it on a non-PC system.

Then again, I just MIGHT be still upset at Borland for selling me
SPRINT as the greatest word-processor since sliced bread.  Grrrrrrr!!

					Gary Lin
					gary@resumix.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.apps.spreadsheets
From: A4422DAB@vm.univie.ac.at (Erich Neuwirth)
Subject: Re: 386 vs. 486 : Different Excel Formats?
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:06:52 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: agrawal@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: comp.apps.spreadsheets
Subject: 386 vs. 486 : Different Excel Formats?
Date: 7 Sep 92 09:39:20 GMT


I have a peculiar problem with the way Excel formats ASCII data read from
a file on 2 different machines. The ASCII file contains numbers. In one
case, the real numbers are treated as text, while in the other, they are
treated as numbers. Integers are treated as numbers in both. In the case
where the real numbers are treated as text, The "Format All" Menu selection
shows the format to be "Standard". In the other, it is shown to be
"General".

I am using Excel Version 4.00 with Windows 3.1.   The PC that has the
"General" format is a 386 with no math coprocessor, while the one that
has the "Standard" format is a 486 (with a math coprocessor.) I have
loaded Excel on 2 more 386 machines without a math coprocessor and
got the "General" format.

Can the difference in format be due to the architecture of the machines?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.

-Sanjay Agrawal

Ph: 617-484-9920(work)

did you check the decimal point vs. comma? in some nonEnglish
cultures (German e.g.) the instead of a decimal point a decimal comma is used.
if excel is configured according to that it might misinterpret noninteger
numbers
Newsgroups: comp.apps.spreadsheets
From: gary@resumix.portal.com (Gary Lin)
Subject: Re: Borland is stupid
Keywords: Quattro Pro Lotus
Organization: Resumix Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:57:41 GMT

banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn) writes:

>gary@resumix.portal.com (Gary M. Lin) writes:
>>I don't see any Borland suits at trade shows pushing anything except
>>goofy buttons that no one wants.  Then again, what are you waiting for?
>We don't wear suits -- well only gorilla suits anyhow.

Yes, of course your hairyness.

>>Microsoft to finish NT on MIPS and Alpha, so I can run Excel and blow
>>the socks off QPro?  Okay, so who cares if Lotus ported 1-2-3 for IBM
>>mainframes, but at least they know they can do it on a non-PC system.
>NT - plegm-T -- porting to more than one processor family; what a concept!
>I say port to nextstep!  (Thats how I'm hoping to get the developers kit
>anyhow).

But then NeXTStep won't work with YOUR graphics board will it now?

>>Then again, I just MIGHT be still upset at Borland for selling me
>>SPRINT as the greatest word-processor since sliced bread.  Grrrrrrr!!
>Yeah but what other word processor will allow you to write the prime sieve
>in its macro language?

Did I buy it because it's a programmer's shell?  Nooooooo.  I was BADLY
mistaken it was much better word processor.  Ha! Damned thing won't even
do WYSIWYG..  The current issue of ComputerWorld says Borland lacks a real
word processor.  I'll betcha they'll write one and CHARGE me $75 to
upgrade to it then, and throw in some outdated game while they're at it.

But will it read Quattro files?  Nooooooo.

>-- 
>The Wailer at the Gates of Dawn              | banshee@cats.UCSC.EDU       |
>Just who ARE you calling a FROOFROO Head?    |                             |
>DoD#0667  "Just a friend of the beast."      | banshee@ucscb.UCSC.EDU      |
>2,3,5,7,13,17,19,31,61,89,107,127,521,607....| banshee@ucscb.BITNET        |

Yes, you are a FROOFROO head.  Get real.

						Gary M. Lin
						gary@resumix.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.apps.spreadsheets