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From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Neck protection?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:26:42 GMT

bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:

> freund@sakura.cs.ucdavis.edu (Jason Freund) writes:

>>Anyone know of products you can buy or have any suggestions for
>>protecting your neck (from pebbles, insects)

>I don't think I'd want to use a hard attachment for the bottom of my lid.
>It would be just another thing to get tangled up with in case of a get-off.
>I can perceive of a hard thing getting jammed into something and acting
>like a lever arm to the wearer's disadvantage.

	What you want is known as a gorget, which is a Grench word and is
therefore pronounced as "gore" + "jhay".  Anyway, just take about a 4"
wide piece of riding-quality leather, cut it to just a bit over the
circumfrence of your neck, and add lacing holes and shoelaces.  It's
somewhat like a cervical collar, but being soft it doesn't bind on you
and won't act like a lever to pop your spine out of whack.

	For patterns and the like, head on over to rec.org.sca and ask
for the nearest SCA group in your area.  The fighters are required to
wear them (mine is 14ga steel with foam lining), and you should get
some good ideas and loads of help.

	I once took a chunk of white linen and made a scarf, with baling
wire providing some support.  The think streamed back about three feet
behind me, even when I was stopped at a light.  Somewhat fun.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"I see angels on Ariels in leather and>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | chrome, Swooping down from heaven to >
<viking@iastate.edu      | carry me home."   ---    R. Thompson >
<ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee.>
From: pms@druhi.ATT.COM (Paul M. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Chainlube for my BM?
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:21:27 GMT
Reply-To: pms@druhi.ATT.COM (Paul M. Smith)
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

In article <1992Sep03.150857.12055@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
>The chain on my BM is getting a bit slack and I can't seem to find out from
>the manual how to tighten it.  It's a blue D-reg 86 K100RS that's done about
>60,000 miles.  I recently bought a new shock abosrber and new tyres but now the
>drive chain needs adjusting.
>
>Can anybody help me?

On BMWs, you want that final drive chain just as tight as you can
get it.  Enlist the help of friends, if necessary, to be sure you
have enough "grunt".  Most importantly, once the chain is properly
adjusted, use _only_ BMW chain lube.  Made by Golden Spectro.
--

P.M. Smith
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: HELP!  FJ starting problems
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:38:58 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <1992Sep14.131627.15215@ugle.unit.no>, Roar.Larsen@termo.unit.no (Roar Larsen) writes:

|> Symptoms description: The battery and starter cranks the engine
|> round just fine, but it refuses to ignite. Usually I am able to
|> get it going after about 3-4 tries on full choke (it has always
|> wanted choke to start) - unless it has been raining (humid air)
|> or the temperature is low - then it is almost impossible to
|> start. Jump-starting from my (non-running!) cages battery
|> usually does the trick, but it needs several tries then also.
|> (The battery in the bike is not at fault, but it will go dead
|> before the bike will start in many cases...) Rolling down-hill
|> also helps (if the hill is long enough - one day I had to push it
|> back _up_ again to try anew <groan!>.) The key point seems to be
|> that the engine needs to be cranked over for a much longer period
|> (about 30-40 seconds ?) than the battery or a short hill is able
|> to do, in order to start. During the cranking-over it often
|> backfires as well. 

|> Roar Larsen           DoD# 463
|> Trondheim, Norway    85 FJ 1100

well, this probably won't be very helpful, but the '83 750 Interceptor i rode
from summer '91 til last spring had the same problem.  if it was below ~40
degrees out, it would not start very well, and if it was below 15-20 it would
not start at all.  turning the petcock off while the bike was parked helped
a little, especially if the bike sat for a week without running.

bike would crank ok, and backfire 5-10 times during the 1 minute of cranking
before the battery was toast.  i guessed the problem was partially flooding,
and partially no spark.  it seemed that as long as the starter was cranking,
there was no power left to do the spark, no matter how charged the battery
was.  by january, i was jump starting it with the car every day (started
immediatly with jump, no matter how flooded).

bike would also start ok with bump starting on a hill, except that there
were no hills long enough to get it going enough to keep running.  bike always
started ok warm.  when it was below 0 degrees and i was somewhere without a
car to jump with, i'd hate to run the bike for 5 minutes every hour or so if
i wanted to ride it home.

i never looked at the plugs or the carbs or anything.

axel
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland)
Subject: Re: Fatal motorcycle accident in Untersiggenthal
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 11:32:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.151523.14838@research.nj.nec.com>, behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
|> 	Even helmet manufacturers admit that at impact speeds greater than
|> 15 mph (that's 24km/h--yes 24!), a fatal shock can be transmitted to the
|> wearer.  Not a helmet flame, but at a speed as high was 80km/h, no helmet in
|> the world will save your life if your head strikes a solid object at such a
|> speed, unless you're damned lucky.
 
|> Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114  KotHLF    1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide

While working for GE Plastics, I asked why there were no 
Lexan (tm) helmets. Turns out there was at least one made
as a test, proceded to exceed every spec asked of it, but
a squid broke his neck in an accedent wearing one. The
bottom-dwelling, scum-sucking scavanger style law-suit 
that came of it included GE for making the material in the
helmet that didn't keep him safe (!?!?!), so they made no
more.

Seems there are many who simply do not understand helmets.

Ride well....

---
Curt Howland        DoD#0663      '82 V45 Sabre
            howland@nsipo.nasa.gov 
  If any of these words are caught or killed,
NASA will disavow any knowlege of my existence.
From: wright_t@cho006.cho.ge.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Centripetal !!
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:37:21 GMT
Organization: GE Fanuc Automation, North America

>>The primary forces acting on a bike in a turn (excluding aerodynamic forces)
>>are gravity (down), road force (up) and centripetal (inward).

>And just where (other than gravity or the road) does the centripetal force
>come from?

Centripetal force comes from tire reaction on the road. Willoughby and Foale
in "Motorcycle Chassis Design" attribute this to deformation of the tire
contact patch and to rolling-cone camber thrust. Zellner and Weir in
"Development of Handling Test for Motorcycles" (SAE 780313) plot the ratio
of yawrate/steerangle as a function of forward velocity. A positive 
steerangle is required to generate tire slip angles to hold the bike in
a curved path.

A different Z and W paper uses slip angles as one term in expressions for 
stability. They comment that these generate dominant forces.


>>No force called centrifugal is acting on the bike; it is a force in reaction
>>to the centripetal force generated by the tires on the road surface. 

>Ah yes, another victim of high school physics.  Welcome to the club!

Both Sears, Zemanski, et al (Modern University Physics) and J.L. Meriam
(Mechanics-Dynamics) state that no centrifugal force acts on the body in
a curved path. 

However, Puhn (How to Make Your Car Handle), Willoughby and Foale (chassis
design), and the performance manual published by GM and sold through 
their parts departments, all identify an outward force on the vehicle
called "centrifugal". Pity.


This is VERY interesting. I've been waiting a long time to here the words
that you have spoken. I've really gotten into some serious conversation
when trying to convince some folks that there ISN'T any such thing as
'Centrifugal' force. 'Centrifugal' is only a word used to label that
feeling of being 'thrown' outward such as in a vehicle whose course has 
changed direction. How or where the word came into use is beyond me. The
correct term to use when describing 'that outward feeling' is 'Centripetal'
which is the name for the force that is actually acting _inward_! When my
physics professor told us about it, it really changed my whole world.

Tim -=- DoD 312 -=- Hot Pepper Keeper
From: REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Waving with meaning..?
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:07:56 GMT
 <1992Sep7.172617.29592@ugle.unit.no>
 <1992Sep7.190619.25409@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>
Organization: University of Maine System

=========================================================================
>>Roar.Larsen@termo.unit.no (Roar Larsen) writes:
>>: According to this system, a wave with the hand _above_ the handlebars
>>: means just a friendly acknowledgement of fellow bikers, while a wave
>>: with the hand _below_ the handlebars means: "Danger - drive legally!!"
>>: This of course is interpreted as meaning dangerous road conditions
>>: coming up, or some kind of police activity...:-)
>
>        Hand waves?  How about highbeams?
>
>        I always thought hand signals were to difficult to notice.
>Following the cager tradition, I always do a little headlamp modulation
>by hand (high-low-high-low-high-low) at oncoming 'cyclists to warn of law
>enforcement (or bad conditions).  At night, this is best on split
>lane highways where a highbeam won't cause people to jump into the
>ditch when it flashes in their face; on the street or a two-way highway,
>a highbeam can be a bit much.
>
>---                            _    ___
  Why not modulate low beam to off? Or do "newer" bikes not allow beams
to be shut off?  True, most American truckers will think this means it's
safe to pull in front of you, but what's the harm in that <grin>.

  Jeff Andle  DoD #3005 KotGDL (Greatful Dead Lyrics)  1976 KZ900 (28000 mi)
"The rate of social decay can be measured directly by the rate of Legislation"
 (loose quote, Robert Heinlein, "Friday").

Vote Libertarian.  Your other choices are Tax and Spend vs. Just spend!
From: leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: The DoD Buckles are IN THE MAIL
Date: 7 Sep 92 20:48:25 GMT
Organization: Darlings of Darkness

And they look great.  Got mine Friday.  Thanks Arnie!!

	- Leigh Ann


Leigh Ann Hussey  leighann@sybase.com  DoD#5913  AMA#624549  AWRRA#23 (skidoo!)
'74 Honda CB360 "Fyrdraka"   '81 Yamaha Maxim650 "Elhaz"
"And they ride, and they ride/ And the White Hounds run beside/ And they'll
seize the night and shake it by the throat."
From: edg@netcom.com (Ed Greenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: carrying moolah on long trips
Date: 6 Sep 92 20:02:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <a1hn2yj@lynx.unm.edu> galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) writes:
>Re the difference in exchnage rates between currency and Tchecks - most
>exchange bureaus in Northern Europe post separate rates for US dollars
>and US traveller's cheques.

Going into Canada, I found that I could get about 1% better exchange
rate when buying Amex travellers checks in CDN$ (fee free from AAA, or the
numbers don't work out) than buying Canadian cash from a bank. 
				-edg
-- 
Ed Greenberg 		| Home: +1 408 283 0511 | edg@netcom.com
P. O. Box 28618		| Work: +1 408 764 5305 | DoD#: 0357
San Jose, CA  95159	| Fax:  +1 408 764 5003 | KM6CG (ex WB2GOH)
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Most Favorite Road Sign
Date: 12 Sep 92 23:29:50 GMT
Organization: Robert Smits

scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes:

> In article <eu1ZqB1w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca> emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes:
> >One of my favourite signs is in Oregon, although I can't understand why 
> >they put it up. It just says "Boring Oregon". :-)
> 
> 
> 	I saw this one this summer too. The actual sign said
> 
> 			"        Boring      "
> 			"      Oregon City   "
> 			"      Next Exit     "
> 
> 	I believe it was two different places, "Boring" and "Oregon City"
> 
> 	Almost made me fall of my bike I was laughing so hard...
> -------


Doggone, you've spoiled it now...I was all prepared for e-mail flames 
from Oregon....oh well. Another good flame war doused..snif, snif...

Robert Smits Ladysmith BC  | I don't wanna pickle,
emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca      | just wanna ride my motorsickle - AG
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: >wheelies
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:45:28 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group

In article <laft2bINNiar@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, sai@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM (S.Fielding-Isaacs [WWFO Pubs Project Lead]) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep4.215527.1091@gandalf.ca> mramsell@gandalf.ca (Mark Ramsell) writes:
|> >	My mechanic informs me that while doing wheelies on most sport bikes
|> >the engine is running without a supply of fresh oil.  This he says is caused
|> >by the position of the oil pumps intake.  Also, when the bike comes down the
|> >front suspension is bottomed out.  If you intend to continually run your 
|> >machine in this manner I would suggest that you sell the bike before it 
|> >requires extensive work.  Buyers of sportbikes should check the lower fairing
|> >for damage and check if the fork seals leak.
|> 
|> 
|>  Your mechanic is quite right. The Yamaha race manuals typically warn
|>  against wheelying for just this reason (oil pickup being starved).


all right i can except this. but what about steep hills?
or dirt bike riders that forget that they are supposed
to go around trees and not over them.

laz
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: physics 101 (was Re: Centripetal !!)
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 13 Sep 1992 17:37:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <25779@castle.ed.ac.uk>, cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
wrote:
> 
> 
> And the bigger the contact patch, the less force per unit are of
> rubber to push it into those little spaces. So clearly there will be
> an optimum patch size depending on the elasticity of the rubber and
> the texture of the road. IMHO fashion, based on racetrack conditions,
> has gone well past this optimum for all-purpose road machinery.
> 
True, which is what makes softer tires stick better and wear faster.

> Note also that when there is water, snow, or spooge on the road, the
> smaller the contact patch the better the grip, which is why old cars
> and bikes happily romp through adverse conditions that have modern
> things with fashionably fat tyres sliding all over the place.

Trying to convince the public they need narrower tires for the snow ought
to be fun... :-)

> -- 
> Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
> Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
> 5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205

| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834     | DoD #207  AMA
#573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci. dept.| KotNML  /  KotB     
|
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get | '81 CB750C          
|
| nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111              | '88 Bianchi Limited 
|
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: 928s4@leland.Stanford.EDU (Benjamin Sloss)
Subject: Re: Cager has smaller penis now
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 19:00:18 GMT

  [ story of bike blowing away cage in drag race ]

It's funny how some people have to prove that their car is the fastest thing
on wheels, despite strong evidence to the contrary.  Usually it's the guys
with 'sporty' cars (Acura Integras, Saab Turbos, etc) or musclecars (esp.
Camaros).  I'll add my most recent story, as it was somewhat amusing.

As I pull up to the light, the black Integra on my right inches forward,
engine note rising and falling, the driver intent on getting every last
bit of speed and time when the light turns green, eager to show the upstart
bike just how fast his 140 HP engine will propel his 3000lb car.  I favor him
with a quick glance, and decide to give him a taste of literbike acceleration.

The light turns and I get a great launch, the CBR 900RR engine rising to 7000
rpm and holding there as I feed the clutch out.  The front wheel rises
several inches above the ground and I hold it there.  At 55 mph (45 zone)
I roll off the gas, the clutch fully engaged, and glance in my rearview mirror.
The Acura is a pair of small headlights far behind me.  The front wheel touches
down at last with a screech, spinning up to match the bike's speed.

I chuckle.  0-to-60-in-9-seconds-car meets 0-to-60-in-under-3-bike.  Oh, well.
-- 
Ben Sloss        ben@versant.com (415) 329-7500 x172
Quote:          "It's all fun and games until someone gets paid."
Transportation: '83 CB650SC (straight roads) '93 CBR 900RR   (twisty roads)
		'91 XR 250L (dirty    roads) '87 Mustang 5.0 (wet    roads)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: faster rear braking
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:05:54

"hesh" == Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com> writes:


hesh> suppose you had only your rear brake with which to stop.  what
hesh> do you suppose is faster: straight-line non-locking,
hesh> straight-line locking, or locking and swinging the rear out to
hesh> side?

I'd vote for straight-line non-locking on clean pavement under *all*
speeds.  (might be different for low speeds, but I doubt it.)  Then
again, are you including "smashing into object" or "low-siding" in
your locking-stops? :-)

hesh> bonus points for maintaining a more or less straight line of
hesh> travel.

--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
                              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
 "Nude wheelies are probably the ultimate in squidliness."  -- someone at
                                                          Lissa's party
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner)
Subject: faster rear braking
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:54:15 GMT
Reply-To: Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com>
Organization: HP-UX Kernel Lab, Cupertino, CA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5


suppose you had only your rear brake with which to stop.
what do you suppose is faster: straight-line non-locking,
straight-line locking, or locking and swinging the rear
out to side?

for added interest, make two cases: one for dirt, and 
the other for a clean paved surface.

bonus points for maintaining a more or less straight
line of travel.

-- hesh
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: FAQ needed
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 10:50:50 GMT

Datasbuild (datasbld@bnr.ca) wrote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: peram@cs.tamu.edu (Suresh B Peram) writes:
: 
: >   Can somebody send me the FAQ, especially
: >   the section dealing with DoD.
: 
: This IS a joke, isn't it?
: -- 
: Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
: 580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
: Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
: My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked


HEY!!!  WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH MY ACCOUNT NAME IN YOUR HEADER!!!!!

PHILISTINE!  THIEF!  PHILANDERER!  MISANTHROPE!  MISNOMERIST!  JACKAL!  QUAYLE!

DOTARD!  BUMPKIN!  POTATO-PICKER!  BLAGUEUR!  BLACKGUARD!  FOP!  CLINCHPOOP!!



NICK (THE INCENSED BIKER)    DOD 1069   MAG 73516   CONCISE OXFORD

M'LUD.
From: ranck@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: key fobs
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:44:42 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


   The low amorphous crowd noise slowly begins to take form and a murmuring
chant rises to a crescendo . . . key fobs, keyfobs, KEYFOBS!
   Yeah, I'd like a keyfob or two myself.

--

*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck     DoD #496  ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu                            *
*******************************************************************************
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Fabulous Harley Babe Bashing etc.
Date: 9 Sep 1992 20:41:36 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 24786@oasys.dt.navy.mil, cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Cervi) writes:
> Life
>>is too short to drink bad beer, and Bud tastes like they ought to pour it
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Read the writing on the screen, Ed.

Hey, I AGREE!!!  I didn't hear any complaints about my selection of
beer for the Right Coast Ride!

In article 13297@eos.arc.nasa.gov, phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone) writes:
>You have driven your pickup truck of logic off a blind curve.

Yeah, RIGHT!

I'll put MONEY on the fact that after a good hard ride, I could sit any
one of you people down with a choice between a cold Bud or NOTHING, and
you'd drink the damned beer!  

And you question MY logic!  Harumph!

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jerryk@col.hp.com (Jerry Kinsley)
Subject: Steamboat Springs
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 05:55:34 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

Who's going? Please post.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: randy@ninja.megatek.uucp (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: the Yamaha V-Max
Reply-To: megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:26:02 GMT

In article <Sep.11.21.04.07.1992.16374@remus.rutgers.edu> kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz) writes:
|In article <2569@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM>, bill@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Bill Jordan) writes:
|] Just the other week, I passed a V-Max on the road, and I had to take a
|] second look. That's the first V-Max I've seen on the road in a few years.
|
|        Is it the first V-Max you've _seen_, or the first V-Max you've
|_passed_?    

  Looks to me that he said "first V-max I've seen", above...  Can't you
read?? :-)

  Personally, I see them occasionally, and pass them just as much... :-)

Randy Davis                             UUCP: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy