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From: praetzel@marconi.waterloo.edu (Eric Praetzel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: bike questions
Date: 31 Jul 92 11:54:09 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <1992Jul29.071407.7132@kub.nl> william@kub.nl (William Verkooijen) writes:
>- When you have a road bike (with conventional frame geometry) and you
>install a tri-clip-on-bar at an orginal race bar, usually you have to
>adjust the distance between saddle and bar to achieve the easiest race
>position. When having this done, the distance has become too small to ride
  Speaking from a cyclists point of view:
The saddle is positioned depending upon {the dimensions of your legs, the size
of the crank arms}.  The bars are then setup given your saddle and foot
position.  As far as the saddle-foot position is concerned you are trying to
get a specific position at the maximum torque point (ie bony proteusion that
is just below the knee should be right above the pedal axel when the crank arms
are horizontal).
  The problem is that tri's have been using all sorts of wierd positions and I
am beginning to think that anything works.  The usual arguement that a frame
size/fit is important is utter crap.  The frame is immaterial because your 
position is determined by the crank arms and everything else follows from that.
What the pipes do inbetween does not matter.  As long as you can put a stem,
seatpost on it that gets you into the right position (and does not leave you
hanging over the front wheel) then don't waste money on custom setups.
  So put your seatpost back to the position that you have been using (and I
assume has been working for you without pain ....), then find a stem that will
put the bars into the right place.  Usually this is closer in and a bit higher
but I don't know how your bike was fit originally.  It will help if you can
find someone with a large selection of stems and then you can try them to see
what is comfortable and what gets you into an aero position (usually not 
comfortable).
  - Eric 
//  This 386 computer has a microchip the size of your fingernail and almost
//    as smart.
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From: brand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert W. Brand)
Subject: Re: Race Result: Carma Performance Triathlon
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:46:29 GMT

In article <92Jul28.181246.31721@acs.ucalgary.ca> spesau@acs.ucalgary.ca (Shane P Esau) writes:


>One thing that Langford and another top triathlete (Dave Smit) had on
>where foils developed by Profile that you put on your arms.  They
>decrease in width for about 12 inches (look kind of like an
>airplane wing) that are strapped to the biceps.  They are suppose
>to be worth about 1.5-2 min in the 40 km.  

Does everyone know what these are from the description?  They look
like triangular styrofoam blocks that are held on the triceps
by elastic, like an elbo pad only higher, to reduce the turbulance 
and hence aerodynamic drag caused by the air going around the arms.
Speed skiers wear them on their arms and something similar on their
calves as well.

                       ___12" block
            --- ,     /
           /   \  ' ,  
 AIR ===>  |arm|    , '
           \   /, '
            ---
         top view

I saw these for the first and only time on June 6, at a triathlon 
in South Bend, Indiana.   I believe it was the bicyclist of the team 
that won the team competition.  I heard them discussing them with other
athletes and the race director after the race.  They claimed some 
ridiculous advantage, seven minutes, I believe.  One and a half to 
two may be more believable.  The race director was explaining that 
they were legal, because they were considered clothing, and that 
tri-fed had no clothing restrictions.

Personally, I think there is enough equipment in the sport now,
and I would like to not have to wear things like that to continue
to compete at the same level.  I wonder why you didn't see Indurain 
wearing them on his 32mph ITT's during the Tour de France.  Maybe
he couldn't fit them on his skinny arms.

I haven't seen them since South Bend, so I kind of forgot about 
them.  I realize that disallowing technology is a controversial 
topic, but I would not object to tri-fed banning the devices.


-- 
Bob Brand
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From: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Subject: Re: U.S. Swim & Fitness Triathlon
Reply-To: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 16:00:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.183634.20316@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>,
tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (todd.r.jensen) writes:
|>In article <1992Jul21.123126.15509@bmers145.bnr.ca>
passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier) writes:
|>>
|>>Yup!, everyone should be more familiar with Mark, Carol, and some of the
|>>other Canadian team members, after this year's World Championships in
|>>Muskoka!
|>>
|>
|>Hate to sound geographically ignorant, but where is Muskoka?  I can't find
|>it on any maps of Canada I have.
|>
|>Thanks,
|>
|>
|>Todd Jensen                                  o
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It's a resort area (township? district?) located roughly a couple of
hours drive north of Toronto.  It's cottage country, and it's nice.

The Canadian Championships were held there last year, so many of the
Canadian athletes are quite familiar with the course.  The course itself
is a bit hilly, and (for the bike) technical.  I seem to recall (tv) that 
some of the run is off-road (across a golf course?).  There won't be the
globs of athletes that there were in Australia.  This course will weed
out the less-than-spectacular bikers and runners.
                 
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From: arands@zodiac.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Leg pain questions
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:34:54 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University Computing Services

An injury question:

In a nutshell, here is a brief background.

I have very FLAT feet (weak foot, fallen arches - whatever you want to call
them).  In 1990, I got orthotics to ***control the motion*** of my feet.  The
doctor was clear in stating that they are NOT arch supports, but designed to
control the severe overpronation due to my flat feet.  It took about 6 monmths
to get used to them, but once I did I was fine.  The classic symptom of flat
feet is pain up the inner side of the calves along the bone.  That was cleared
up and non-existent in 1991.  I ran 10-30 miles per week on average.  

I was off for a while (January 1992 to April 1992) to recover from a
non-running foot problem.  I began running slowly and gradually (from 10 miles
per week up to about 20-25 per week, over 3 months).  

I had bursitis in a toe about 6 weeks ago, and it eventually cleared up.  Now
it has struck again, in the neighboring toe.  Unfortunately, the problem did
not stop there this time.  I did not catch the pain in the toe, but went out
and ran hard (track), and was compensating a bit for the toe.  Now I have pain
in the foot, ankle, inside of shin, knee, hip, and lower back.  I have had this
pain before, and it isn't debilitating, just uncomfortable.  

All of these maladies are striking the right foot and leg (where the
non-running injury was also).  The pain last year also struck the right leg. 
Currently I go to a chiropractor for regular back adjustments (since January
1991).  

_______

My question(s) are:

1.  Has anybody else encountered this, or anything remotely similar?  If so,
what did you do?

2.  Can anyone recommend to me a good KNOWLEDGEABLE sports podiatrist or
orthopedist either in the central New Jersey area or in the New York City area?


Thanks.

Rolf Arands
From: tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (todd.r.jensen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: U.S. Swim & Fitness Triathlon
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:36:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Jul21.123126.15509@bmers145.bnr.ca> passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier) writes:
>
>Yup!, everyone should be more familiar with Mark, Carol, and some of the
>other Canadian team members, after this year's World Championships in
>Muskoka!
>

Hate to sound geographically ignorant, but where is Muskoka?  I can't find
it on any maps of Canada I have.

Thanks,


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From: roat@rrc.chevron.com (Suzanne Roat,Chevron,(510)242-5313)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: The Standard Bike (aka flames!!!)
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:07:20 GMT
Reply-To: roat@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

In article 1@zodiac.rutgers.edu, arands@zodiac.rutgers.edu () writes:
>Oops.  Flame war started.  Sorry folks.
>

Oh goody!!  I love controversy!

>
>Suzanne Roats - Are you for or against these tri-toys?  Your posting was a bit
>vague.
>

Nah.  I have my own tri-toys.  As a natural born swimmer, I am against wetsuits though.

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From: kruemp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (John Kruempelstaedter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Ironman Dist. tips?
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:09:58 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

I am planning on doing the Vineman (Iron distance)
this weekend.  

Any last minute tips form Ironman veterans?

	- What do you wear on the bike
	  Shorts over suit?  Do you change?  I normally just
	  do the speedo thing but it is 112miles :-\ Time
	  really isn't that important.
	- How much food did you bring on the bike?
	  Is a jersey a good Idea(pockets and sun protection)?
	- How many tubes tools etc?
	- Any special places for the Vaseline other than
	  the expected ones?
	- Anything else?

Thanks,  just some last minute thoughts

John K.

PS.  I'll tri to post a write up as soon as I can when I finish.
     (notice the optimisum ...WHEN..  :-))
		
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From: gad@linac.fnal.gov (Greg A. Deuerling)
Subject: Aqua Socks legal ???
Organization: Fermiland, Batavia, IL
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:08:40 GMT


Have a question I hope someone can answer.

Are the Aqua sock type shoes allowed in the swim in a triathlon ???
I'm going to be in the Chicago Sun Times Tri in a few weeks and I'd like
to wear them if it's allowed (last year I stepped on a rock with my heal
and darn near could not finish the 10K).

Please EMAIL to the internet addr below, I don't normaly read this group.

							Thanks...

							gad
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From: brand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert W. Brand)
Subject: Re: Big event in Cleveland?
Keywords: cleveland nationals
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:14:10 GMT

In article <30JUL199208054947@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov> tohall@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Dave Hall (Sverdrup)) writes:

>will compete along with lots of others. The course for the pros will be an
>interesting one. The bike and run legs will be held on a 1.5 mile closed
>loop course to allow spectators to watch more easily. The pros will race

A criterium in the middle of a triathlon?!!  It will, of course, be nearly 
impossible to avoid drafting in this kind of situation.  I mean, this sounds 
neat, but what are they thinking?  I think they should let them run it like
a real crit, blood and all.


-- 
Bob Brand
From: grotter@pilot.njin.net (grotter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WBF folds
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:33:46 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Boo.

Its about time to post again, anyway.

I was in the GNC in Willowbrook Mall yesterday (don't worry, I havn't
blown a fuse and started weight lifting, it was my friend Matt who is
into it)...anyway, I was hanging out there, checking out the "anabolic
mass kits"...when i asked the guy working there what he thought about
the WBF...he laughed, and called it "bullshit"...just so you know what
people think of it :)

--Eph
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From: bm927@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dominic Macika)
Subject: Re: Redefining the business (was Re: Weekend Syndies WHIFF and WCW)
Reply-To: bm927@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dominic Macika)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 19:22:53 GMT


In a previous article, hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze) says:

>In article <4601@daily-planet.concordia.ca>, k_deegan@bessel.concordia.ca (kenneth deegan) writes:
>
>> It would be great to see Dan Kroffat bring his snap suplex back to
>> N.A. where I could see him.
>  
>  suplex.  He's bulked down a bit from how you may remember him.  
>

Funny, from what I've seen of him on All-Japan, he looks *bigger than
I remember.  But of course, my memories are coming from his time
in Montreal in 1986, when he was tag champion there for a little.

What ever happened to that promotion?  I remember Eddie Creatchman and
his son(?) and George Cannon, Kroffat, Abdullah, Brody, Dick Charland,
and quite a few others who were quite good.  They used to carry it
on the one station we get from Windsor here in the Detroit area.
-- 
"Dark Star" Dominic Macika 		internet:macika@emunix.emich.edu

"Standing on a hill in my mountains of dreams,
telling myself it's not as hard as it seems."
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From: bulls@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (debra.s.martis)
Subject: PWI Weekly Update 8/3
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:17:44 GMT



The big news from PWI this week (I dont think it was ever posted here)
was that Rick Morton won the USWA title from Eddie Gilbert on July 13th
in Memphis.  It was posted here before that Morton was leaving WCW,
but I dont think any ever posted where he was going.  He is a *BIG* face
in the USWA.  His father Paul Morton was the special ref for the match.
Does anyone know if they are really related or if this is just another 
PWI markish angle??

--The first round pairings for the NWA World Singles Tourny were printed.
Since I havent see them posted yet, here they are:

On August 6th in Shizuoka, Japan

Scott Norton vs Bam Bam Bigelow
Tony Halme vs Mada Chono
Barry Windham vs The Great Muta
Stunning Steve Austin vs Arn Anderson

On August 7th in Nagoya, Japan

Kensuke Sasaki vs Jim Neidhart
Terry Taylor vs Hiroshi Hase
Shinya Hashimoto vs The Barbarian
Rick Rude vs Super Strong Machine 

The quarterfinals, semis, and finals will be held on August 10,11, 12th
in Toyko.  The Steiners have several matches for the IWGP title.  August
10th vs Riki Choshu and Mr Saito.  August 15th vs Bigelow and Norton. 
August 16th vs Masa Chono and Shinya Hashimoto in Fukuoka. 

There are also 2 boxer vs wrestler matches tentatively scheduled in Japan.
September 23 in Yokahama between Marvis Frazier, son of Joe, and Tatsumi
Fujinami.  And on October 4th at Tokyo between Tommy Morrison & Masa Funaki.


This Weeks Cards:

Tuesday July 28th
NAWA  Dallas, TX
USWA  Louisville, KY

Wednesday July 29th

IWCCW  Hamburg, PA
USWA   Evansville, IN

Thursday July 30th

ICWA  Tampa, FL
USWA  Jasper, IN
WCW   Savannah, GA
WWF   Bakersfield, CA
      Santa Rosa, CA

Friday July 31st

GWF   Dallas, TX
USWA  Clarksdale, MS
WCW   Hampton, VA
WWF   Los Angeles, CA
      Salt Lake City, UT


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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: GWF Show (7-22)
Keywords: Al Perez, Terry Gordy, Steve Williams
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:38:45 GMT
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <14086@borg.cs.unc.edu> burgin@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Robert Burgin) writes:

+>On today's ESPN broadcast of the GWF, Gary Hart announced
+>that he had signed Al Perez, Terry Gordy, and Steve
+>Williams.  I can believe the first, but is there any hint
+>of truth to the latter two?

	Gary Hart is a major friend of both Al Perez and Terry Gordy.
When he tried to start his promotion up in Dallas a while back, both
showed up for matches on an infrequent basis.


	I dont believe that Gordy and williams will be in the GWF 
for much more than one taping though.
From: Donald Becker <marilion@jaflrn.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: [WCW] Van Hammer
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 15:29:25 EDT
Organization: The Wizzard's Cave, East Meadow, NY

ottoh3@CFSMO.Honeywell.COM (Otto Heuer #3) writes:

> 
> So... where is Van Hammer these days?  I thought he was supposed
> to be out of jail (or whatever) in time to wrestle Greg 
> Valentine on one of the last two PPVs..
> 

Well, personally, I don't see any use for Canned Spammer now that J.T.
Southern has dropped off the face of WCW. If he returns, watch for him
to assume the role of "Jobber To The Stars" that P.N. News occupied for
a LONG while.
 
Ahhhh, it's GREAT to be back!!!
 
--The one, the only, Don Becker
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From: cs902060@ariel.yorku.ca (GEOFFREY E DIAS)
Subject: Re: Building Heat for Summer Slam
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:00:22 GMT

In article <16830F330.OP2@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU> chrispy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes:

> 
>2) Bulldog vs. Hart
> 
>In a shocker, Hart admits that Smith is married to his sister.  This has to
>be one of the best ideas Vince has ever had to build heat.  I know it sounds
>strange, but you can't go wrong with a family feud.

	
	Didn't this information come out years ago? I knew they were in-laws
even before the Hart Foundation won the tag-team title from the Bulldogs.
From: spr@prism.gatech.EDU (Stefan Roth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Body Stars tug-of-war
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:23:30 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology



For those of you who care, there will be a tug-of-war on the next Body Stars on
USA network on Aug 1, 10:00am (Eastern) between WWF wrestlers and WBF
bodybuilders. I think Jim (not Rick) Duggan is leading the bodybuilders.


  |\   _		Stefan Roth
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    U	 PFTTH!
From: df2@elsegundoca.ncr.com (Dave Fields)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Onita and PWI
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:00:10 GMT

Sean Ryan writes:

> In article <9207170005.AA02704@elsegundoca.ncr.com>,
df2@elsegundoca.ncr.com (Dave Fields) writes...
> >Does anybody know if Atsushi (Mr.) Onita has developed some kind of
> >connection with PWI?
>
> I figure that PWI is desperate enough for copy that they'll gladly
cover
> any small promotion.

Actually, they rarely cover any Japanese promotions, and certainly
nothing as small as Frontier Martial Arts (which seems to be expanding,
however).

>
> >In the current issue of PWI there's a whole article about one of
> >Onita's gimmick matches (also with color photos) in which the ring
> >ropes were removed and replaced by flaming barb wire. Apparently
they
> >used too much kerosene when they soaked the rags, and the heat
became
> >so intense the match only lasted two minutes before the wrestlers
were
> >forced to vacate the ring.
>
> This match is nothing new.  They did this one in Puerto Rico about 5
> years ago with Jose Gonzalez.  The difference in that match was that
> there was no barbed wire.  BTW, the match was almost impossible to
> watch, since the ring was filled entirely with smoke in the early
going,
> then once the match progressed, the fire died out and the ring was
> visible once again, but the appeal (i.e. the fire) was non-existent.

They're still doing these matches in Puerto Rico. Apparently Carlos
Colon is big on that kind of thing. The only reason I was commenting on
it was that they had lots of fairly good color photos and that it was
Onita who was doing it. Until last month, I'd never seen his name
mentioned in a mark mag, and then he turns up twice in one month.

>
> >I think Sean said 6 or 8 months ago that Onita was trying to break
into
> >the US market.
>
> I don't remember saying anything like that, but then again, I don't
> remember very much of anything of what I've said anymore.  :-)

After I posted that I remembered that it was Herb. (I think - my memory
ain't what it once was, either (-:). He said something about Onita
trying to get a syndicated program on ESPN.

>
> >Tim Patterson (Pat's son! - or so I'm told),
>
> Tim Patterson has been wrestling in southern California for many
years,
> mainly as the tag team partner of Billy Anderson.  If he really was
> related to Pat, I would have heard about it by now and I haven't.
> Besides, Pat doesn't strike me as the fatherly type, anyway.  :-)

Yeah, and jobbing on Vince's shows as well. It was either Vince or Gino
(or both) who said Tim was Pat's son. It's entirely possible, you know.
Lotsa sissy boys out there have kids, even if they're *not* the Dan
Quayle image of a "fatherly type" :-)


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