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From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:37:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan5.173732.12576
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <C0E1Ax.DDM@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan4.204040.5631@wixer.cactus.org>, will@wixer.cactus.org (Bill Staniewicz) writes:
>|> I recently went shopping for a new bottle of
>|> cologne and was reminded by the variety of choices
>|> available. Among those were: Obsession, Drakkar Noir,
>|> Stetson, Kouros, and Eternity for Men. 
>|> 
>|> Does anyone have any idea what the most popular
>|> may be within the gay community. Is there any special
>|> preference? Are the manufacturers aware of this?
>
>Eternity.  I *hate* Eternity.  It's not that
>it smells bad, it's that it lasts *forever* 
>and doesn't fade.  You can enter a room where
>someone has been wearing it but left an hour
>before, and you can smell it.  You can walk past
>someone on a cold day and smell it.
>
>We have some - a gift - that we use for bathroom
>spray.  One spritz and two people's reactions
>to cuban black beans is nicely neutralized.  But
>other than covering obnoxious flatulence, I can't
>think of a good reason for its existance.
>
>I have a fondness for Geoffrey Beene's _Bowling Green_.
>I was given a small amount a couple of years ago
>and on rare occasions I wear it.  It fades (as
>Jess described) and blends in with how I think
>I normally smell.  And Dave likes it, which gives
>it major points.

The best men's scent I've ever smelled, hands down, is Jicky by
Guerlin. You can't find it in the US beside other mass-produced
scents, though it might now be distributed. Second to that would be
some English colognes I've never seen outside of London, Prince Albert
wears a good one. Third would be something simple, like lime, rose, or
lavender water, or what the barber would put on you when you were a
kid. They are extremely butch scents, however, not many men can wear
them. If there ever was a wayto buy the scent of Talcum Powder, it
would be very popular, and very sexy. I've never really analyzed
scents aside from obvious ones (Classics like Chanel No. 5, or Patou's
Joy), and don't claim to understand intent or effect. I think 'male'
scents generally have the subtlety of fried hamburger.
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Maria Montez vs Burl Ives, or Lighten Up a Little, Folks
Date: Mon,  4 Jan 93 22:05:10 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <72896@cup.portal.com> <1993Jan5.045547.22399@gordian.com>

Michael Thomas writes:
>> A more accurate way to frame my opinion is that anything Arne
>> says has a roughly 95% chance of being a whine.
>> Usually, a bitchy whine at that.
>  
>But it usually has style and panache. An observation you might consider.

"Style" in venom and "panache" in being nasty hold no particular
interest for me.  The kind of "style and panache" you're talking
about tend to strike me as pompous wastes of time.

 
() The American ideal, after all, is that everyone should be
() as much alike as possible.
()      -- James Baldwin
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[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Different Strokes (was Re: Changing standards of female bea
Date: Mon,  4 Jan 93 20:17:04 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan4.081233.27128@spdcc.com> <1993Jan4.172613.15254@spdcc.com>
  <18281@autodesk.COM>

Mick Washbrooke writes:
>I pity you poor sods who aren't lucky enough to work in a county so wise,
>so progressive, so consciousness-raised that it's head is in the clouds,
>as Marin County, which officially passed legislation to make itself a
>fragrance-free zone.
>
>Actually, I DID think it was another piece of California froo-froo
>airheadedness until I had the misfortune to sit next to someone on the
>bus who was wearing so much perfume that I feared for my life from
>spontaneous combustion. Toxic-shock syndrome, anyone?

Indeed. Being trapped next to such a person (or even just *with*
such a person) in an elevator isn't any fun either.  Particularly
when one is, as I am, distinctly ALLERGIC to certain apparently 
common components.

I've been prepared for some time to deliver a perfect response to
someone bathed in perfume who requests me to put out my cigar: 
"Just as soon as you put out your perfume."

 
() It is only the great men who are truly obscene. If they
() had not dared to be obscene, they could never have dared
() to be great.
()      -- Havelock Ellis
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
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From: entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one)
Subject: Re: AIDS Research Immuno-Enhancement Study
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:25:44 GMT

In article <73304@cup.portal.com> TBECKMAN@cup.portal.com (Tom J Beckman) writes:

[semi plausible stuff deleted]
>jobs. HeartMath techniques  are discussed in "The Hidden Power of the Heart",
>by Sara  Paddison, Vice President of IHM, and "Self Empowerment", by Doc Lew
>Childre, Founder of IHM. IHM is also developing musical tonal patterns to
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>harmonically link with the DNA to enhance T- cell strength in people with AIDS
                            ^^^
>and other immune disorders.

If you find music that has an effect on your DNA I'd be awfully worried :)
"Warning: This record has been shown to cause cancer in animals"

Maybe standing next to a shuttle launch would jiggle a few strands loose?

If being happy makes people get better why not try to find the real reason
rather than making up pseudo science to explain it? After all if you know
the real reason something works you can improve on it using that knowledge. 

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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.arts.books,rec.music.classical
Subject: Book Review: _The Uncle from Rome_
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:16:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan7.191615.15137
Followup-To: rec.arts.books
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

I just finished _The Uncle from Rome_, a novel by Joseph Caldwell,
a writer who lives in New York City.  

Michael Ruane is a tenor, born and raised in the Midwest and
transplanted to NYC, whose aspirations exceed his vocal abilities;
lacking the natural gifts to sing top roles, he's made a career of
sorts as a comprimario, singing minor parts in opera productions.
On the rebound from the death of an ex-lover from AIDS, and unable to
mourn or feel much of anything, he flees to Naples, where he immerses
himself in a production of _Tosca_, singing the role of Spoletta, while
simultaneously producing, directing and starring in an Italian language
version of Britten's _Curlew River_.

One day, the Neapolitan diva playing Tosca asks Ruane to appear briefly at
the wedding of a friend's son as "the Uncle from Rome", a distinguished-
looking and mysterious uncle whose presence is said to imbue the whole
affair with a bit of class.  The wedding goes horribly awry, and Ruane
finds himself suddenly and inextricably pulled into the midst of this
family and its unhappy lovers in his new role as the uncle.  Meanwhile,
he rediscovers his capacity to love and mourn as he begins an unexpected
and unlikely affair with one of his singers in _Curlew River_.  All these
threads are played against each other, only to come together as the book
ends, as Ruane finally becomes a major actor in each of these parts of
his life: the Britten, the family of star-crossed lovers, his potential
new lover, and, hilariously, the final performance of _Tosca_ itself.

Michael, opera queen that he is, brings an operatic sensibility to his
experiences in Naples, continually reinterpreting and reacting to the
people around him as he would to any of the characters in the operas
he sings.  The people around him have grand gestures, grand emotions
while he seemingly plays out his bit part.  Naples and the Neapolitan
character figure heavily in the novel, but Caldwell manages to avoid
sounding condescending to the natives; his main character can't help
but see things in this fashion.  It's a rather neat device; how else
can a modern writer wrestle with characters and emotions more suited
to the 19th century?

This is a fine, modest comic novel which left me charmed.  It's an
easy read, and well worth an evening or two of your time.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: US Schools Adding Lessons on Gay Life
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:01:10 GMT
Organization: New York University

In article <1ihk6fINNge8@transfer.stratus.com> pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland) writes:

>As far as I'm concerned, the sooner the better on programs like
>this.  In first grade, I'd think that the kids have a better chance
>of having their preconceptions knocked loose, so to speak.  Sixth
>and seventh graders are on the brink of adolescence, and I'd think
>that they'd already have absorbed a world view that views same-sex
>relationships in a negative light.  Or is that the point?

Right you are!  Of course the official rationale behind the Children of the 
Rainbow Curriculum in NYC is to include all families so that no child will 
feel excluded just because she or he has same sex parents.  The fact that 
it may be nipping some junior 'phobes in the bud, so to speak, is just a 
nice plus.  And don't forget that 10% of those first graders are gay or 
lesbian and just might feel a little less alone as they  grow up.

Emily
From: mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bob Paris
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:02:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.023309.9208@fuug.fi>, an4851@anon.penet.fi writes:
> 
> Can anyone familiar with bodybuilding explain what was so scandalous about The Dying Gaul
> (I have no idea what it is)?  And is Bob Paris treated as an
> outcast in professional bodybuilding since coming out?

I don't know what the dying Gaul is either. Since Paris came out, he can
be found in fewer and fewer bodybuilding magazines, presumably because he
no longer speaks to the "majority" of bodybuilders and their fans (though
we know better, don't we, girls?). Paradoxically, I heard that his wedding
was quite well attended, with several big-name bodybuilders (Samir Bannout
among them) present. Muscle mags have little to do with education, more
to do with selling over-priced supplements, so presumably the discovery
that one of these primped and preened prima donnas was *actually* gay
hurt the circulation of some mags.



--
Death to all fanatics!!

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

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From: stillson@mitre.org (Ken Stillson)
Subject: Orlando recommendations...
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:39:45 GMT

Hi...  I'm going to be visiting Orlando, Fla at the end of Jan.,
and was wondering if anyone had any ideas on good gay clubs/bars/
whatever in the area...?  Thanks!

Please e-mail to stillson@mitre.org

Talk to ya sooner,

	- Ken 

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From: Mark@tdkt.kksys.com (Mark Steiger)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Thanks for the help
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:22:51 GMT

Thanks to everyone that sent me mail about my parents.  It's nice to
know that I'm not alone out here.

Mark
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From: cjlee@netcom.com (Caroline Jean Lee)
Subject: Re: Blood donations at UCLA
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:10:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.073746.23705@mic.ucla.edu> cjones@physci.ucla.edu (Chad Jones) writes:
>I explained to her that I am gay, and that I have been in a monogomous
>relationship with the same person for over 4 years, and that he is my
>first (and only) partner (same for him).  I also pointed out that a
>promiscuous heterosexual could donate, and that I was much safer.  She
>was symapthetic, but I was still disqualified.

I hate to be defending the red cross here, but the exclusion criteria
are probably based on the incidence of HIV among different
populations.  In San Francisco, for example, over 40% of the gay men
in the city are estimated to be HIV+. So in overall statistical terms,
it's possible that a straight man fucking his brains out is less
likely to have been infected with HIV than a gay or bi man who's been
monogamous (or serially monagamous).

To complicate matters is the issue of denial. IMHO, very few people
believe they'll test positive beforehand. People think, oh, it's not
me, it can't be me, I haven't got it.  The amount of denial that's out
there is pretty unbelievable, and if you ask people to exclude
themselves if they think they have been at risk, it ain't gonna
happen.  

All this just MHO.

Caroline
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Should I be doing this?
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:13:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.175453.24884@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>In article <C0nupA.ExA@panix.com>, mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>> I'm not going to promise to stop it unless I get a serious request
>> to do that, but I _will_ restrain myself.

>I, for one, would rather you didn't. Even if you get a "serious
>request" to that effect.

I'm not a gay man, but in the Grand Motss Tradition of
answering posts not addressed to you, I'll second Robert's
rather.  And it's not even a question of whether or not
I (we) like you.

I'm going to admit publicly that Jess was in my kill file
for several years.  It wasn't because he gave offense, but
rather because he didn't.  There was a time when Jess'
posts were as long and detailed as they are now but not as
tart, and not only were they less fun to read, but they
were far less revealing of how he actually felt (as opposed
to thought) about whatever subject was at hand.

I'd say the last year has been a banner one for Mara as far
as her net.persona goes.  Not only has she been *flamed*
*publicly* for the first time, she's also starting to get a
little saucy in her own postings.  I welcome it.  There's
all sorts of relationships that one can have with one's
community, and while I haven't quite figured out Mara's
relationship with us, I don't doubt for a second that she's
part (an important part) of ours.  It seems very clear to
me that restraining herself would be tantamount to
withdrawing in at least some small part from our community,
and I'd hate to see that happen.
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
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From: albrigh@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas g albright)
Subject: Re: Men's Colognes revisited
Organization: The Cabal
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:15:37 GMT

In article <1ipukvINNqra@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu 
(Gary Byma) writes:

>One of my favorite Men's Colognes is closely connected to the scent
>of a man I had a crush/infatuation for during my undergraduate
>years. We used to study together in the evenings and on Saturdays.

This reminds me of an encounter in grad school ten years ago.  I had an
incredibly hot fling with a guy who wore Gray Flannel; the fling only lasted
a few weeks, but was just wild.  As a consequence, whenever I smell Gray
Flannel on anyone, I am reminded of this person and the wild sex we had.
Gray Flannel and this guy have been one and the same in my mind for ten years 
now.

Recently, I was at a department store buying some Gray Flannel.  Just as I
was leaving the store, I ran into Mr. Wild Sex himself, for the first time
in years.  He asked what I had bought, and I told him.  He said "oh that, 
I should try that again sometime."

-Tom Albright

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Is Dan Quayle a Twinkie?
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 15:49:48 GMT

In article <thaaang.726850736@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu
(John Dorrance) writes:

>As both a twink and a male bimbo, I object to the implications of
>this thread.

Heh heh.  Someone (not me, of course) may observe that you
are an exception that proves the rule.  Of course, that
might be said of several exceptions and even more rules.

-- 
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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Why not cure homosexuality?
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:09:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.203408.16833@netcom.com>, solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
> In article <2b4a7e2e-4cd0.17soc.motss-1@vpnet.chi.il.us> akcs.kennedy@vpnet.chi.il.us (Edward A. Kennedy) writes:
> > 
> >The 12-step therapies seem to help people fight their urges 
> >toward homosexuality while the scream therapies seem to make 
> >those urges go away for ever.
> 
> I'm assuming this was meant ironically. There are no smileys, but many
> people don't use them (myself among them); and besides, there's no
> *way* this post could be serious. Right?

  Let this creature alone. Trust me on this one. It means it
but it's not, how say?, dealing from a full deck...
-- 

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From: LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu (LASAGA)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: LesBiGay invited to march in Denver King Parade
Date: 10 Jan 1993 06:28:51 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu




The following is reprinted without permission from _Out Front_
(a Colorado gay newspaper), December 23, 1992:


Wilma Webb Invites Gays
to Join King Parade

Realizing the Dream Together

Wilma Webb, the Mayor's wife and Denver's First Lady, has invited
all lesbians and gays and their friends to join the Martin Luther
King Parade (MIRADE) on Jan. 18.  Webb hopes there is a large
turnout as the passage of Amendment 2 is a "blatant violation
of human and civil rights."  Webb would like to see a very large
lesbian and gay representation march in the parade.

Organizers of the MIRADE (the name they're using instead of
parade) to celebrate the life of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. have 
invited gays and lesbians and community activists believe it's
time that call was answered with a contingent of individuals which
could even surpass PrideFest.

The MIRADE will begin in City Park at approximately 9:00 a.m., Mon.,
Jan. 18.  Gay, lesbian, bisexual people and all opponents of Amendment 2
will be asked to gather in a designated area of City Park [cite yet
to be determined--watch for the next issue of _Out Front_] to
merge en masse and march with the thousands already gathered to honor
Dr. King for his vision and civil rights achievements.

"Take this call to heart--we must be visible to undo 2," one organizer
said.  "During the month ahead, personally help organize each and every
opponent of Amendment 2 statewide and come in peace to join this
potentially historic display of unity within all communities.  Dr.
Martin Luther King had a dream--let's realize it together."  For
further information call 333-8876.



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From: cjones@physci.ucla.edu (Chad Jones)
Subject: Re: Blood donations at UCLA
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Organization: University of California Los Angeles
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:39:13 PST

In article <C0pBHD.7o1@news2.cis.umn.edu> Vince Netz,
vince@pons.umhc.umn.edu writes:
>be a solution.  UCLA medical center is basically bankrupt, so I'd guess  
>that complaining to them about it would get you a sympathetic but blank  
>stare.

I was not aware of this.  From what I understand, the med center is
required to be self-supporting, and get no money from the UC.  They
opened a shiny new complex a few years back filled with private practices
just to bring in more money.  There's a new advertising campaign out for
referrals to UCLA doctors (1-800-UCLA-MD-1).  They don't take many
non-insurance cases at the emergency room.  In fact, when there was a
near-riot at a Morrissey concert at Pauley Pavilion, the uninsured had to
go to Santa Monica Hospital (about 20 minutes away).

>> BTW, that coworker passed away on Friday.  It's a good thing that it
>> wasn't for lack of blood availability.
>
>Actually, that is pretty much out of the realm of possibility.  BMT  
>patients aren't given whole blood - only components of it, and most of  
>these are readily available (i.e. apheresis platelets, etc).

He died because the chemotherapy, radiation therapy, and the ordeal of
the transplant were too much for him.  I'm not too keen on what exactly
he was given, but my point was that it's a good thing that their turning
me down to donate wasn't the cause of this death.

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Network Manager            | need someone who'll grab and pull me out of
UCLA Physiological Science | this four poster dull torpor pulling
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