HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ed@invid.mwc.com (Ed Bravo)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: 16550 support appears buggy
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:29:39 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
> mfaurot@phzzzt.uucp (Michael Faurot) writes:
>
> > MF> [...Michael's original problem...]
> > MF> Here's the situation.  If a user calls in when the modem is connected to
> > MF> com1fr with a 16550 UART and the user is making a connection at less
 than
> > MF> 9,600 (ie, 2400 or 1200) characters get lost during displays.
> >
> > [...much debugging...]
> >
> > The problem, as it appears to me, is that that the async driver is somehow
> > not fast enough responding to the RTS/CTS flow control requests from the
> > modem when the connection to the modem is running at a speed less than 9,600
> > and the port has a 16550 style UART.
>
> Yeah, well I'm puzzled. Your explanation above would make sense if the
> machine was heavily loaded and the modem on a 16550 wasn't the only serial
> I/O. But in the situation you describe where the modem runs fine on the
> 16450 but not on the 16550 - I'm baffled. Again (cos I think I mentioned
> this before) I suspect some funny behaviour of the underlying serial cards
> themselves rather than which UART they're using. IE some sort of interrupt
> clash or a slightly misdesigned card that has problems with higher speed
> operation. Are you able to replace the 16450 with a 550 in the same card?
> Testing that would be able to disprove this theory.
>
> Hmmm, you say it's only the slower calls. Have you verified that RTS/CTS
> are being asserted on the ports the 16550s are on? Maybe they're cheap
> serial cards and the designers didn't implement handshaking properly. (no
> insult meant of your hardware buying habits).
>
> If that's not a solution then I'm baffled. I use a 16550AFN locked at 19200
> to my modem here and it runs fine.
>
>                                                 - k
> --
> Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 6 3551342
> "Jub'er lbh pnyyvat n obmb?"
>

This has appeared before with a customer who was "dead positive" it was not
his modem register settings.  Reset the modem with the true modem defaults
then try it.  Let me know what happens.

                                                Ed

ed@mwc.com    tech support - MWC
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley)
Subject: Re: Cheap keyboard? 
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 22:57:41 GMT

In article <725324739snz@mallard.demon.co.uk> mike@mallard.demon.co.uk writes:
>In article <1992Dec25.201141.18863@csx.cciw.ca> hcp@csx.cciw.ca writes:
>
>>In article <725296546snz@mallard.demon.co.uk> mike@mallard.demon.co.uk writes:
>>
>>>>>BIOS is also AMI, but slightly more recent (and no "advanced
>>>>>chipset setup" options).
>>
>>Now this may be a red herring since supposedly this problem only shows up under
>
>Hmm - I've justed booted up and the serial number ends -F. Fast
>A20 Gate is also enabled. Next? :-)

Red herring it is then...

>>I wonder if the 'cheap keyboard problem' is an entirely different and 
>>unconnected phenomena?
>
>Who knows? If I have to stick with this "standard" US setup, will
>my system support other device drivers, such as those required
>for MGR? Everything else seems to be working OK.

For the video driver used by MGR you shouldn't need anything.  It is a very 
simple driver.  It doesn't use ANY BIOS at all.

As far as I know, MGR doesn't care about scan code 3 or anything else so you 
should be able to use it without any trouble.  As for MGR and non-US keyboards,
I don't know.  I am not a french speaking man so I use the standard US 
keyboard layout, not the Canadian layout.

Harry
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From: zmbenhal@NETCOM.COM ("Zeyd M. Ben-Halim")
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Coherent-Linux
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:35:04 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <199212220940.AA12882@pcs3.iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de> you write:
>
>it less documented than COH, less finished, etc.), I have a problem with my key
>board, as only (?) the US layout is supported. My keyboard has British layout,
>and I really need to have the right scheme for '#', '@', '|', etc (by the way,
>I fixed the bugs in COH's UK driver for both 3.2.0 and 4.0.1 versions; I'll be
>happy to send them if needed). Any suggestions ? Then, as I have NO FTP access,
>could anyone supply me a complete Linux forum email address ? I have some ques-
>tions for the boys downthere... (I think comp.os.linux is not complete for me).
>
>        Lots of thanks in advance !
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>                           Dragos Manolescu
>     Private: Arhitect Stefan Burcus 16, Bucharest 71267, Romania
>           Phone/Modem: +40-(1)-618-3167, +40-(1)-618-1681
>          Electronic: dragos_m@pi-bucuresti.th-darmstadt.de
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You need to recompile the kernel to switch to another keyboard. However I
believe that their is a little program that may patch the kernel for you.
I'll try and dig it up and email it to you.

Zeyd
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: basic
Summary: basic under COHERENT
Keywords: basic, COHERENT
Date: 28 Dec 92 01:23:43 GMT
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Today I sent an update of the Microsoft compatible basic interpreter
up to mwcbbs and raven. This version now compiles and runs under
COHERENT 3.x and 4.0.
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Xref: sparky comp.os.coherent:6455 comp.os.linux:21795 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:34232
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.linux,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in an intelligent serial board?
From: dave@yarc.uucp (Dave Rifkind)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 05:56:52 GMT
Reply-To: dave@yarc.UUCP (Dave Rifkind)
Organization: Yarc Systems
Keywords: RS-232 serial interface

In article <92121815484@amscons.amscons.com> bob@amscons.amscons.com (Bob Amstadt) writes:
>After fussing with Coherent for far too long, I have decide
>to build my intelligent serial interface board.  I intend to
>design in enough memory so that each port can have a really
>deep FIFO, and thus Coherent will never have to miss characters
>again.  I was planning to create a wire-wrap board, a printed
>circuit board would be much better.  Unfortunately, creating
>a single printed circuit board is expensive.
>So once I decided to do this, I thought that others might
>be interested in such a beast.  So, if you'd be interested
>in an intelligent multi-port serial board for the ISA bus,
>send me mail indicating your desired specifications for the
>board.  This should include number of ports, FIFO depth,
>and cost.  If I have enough interest, I'll go ahead and
>do the PC board.

You'd better make that FIFO *really* big.

I have an Intel SatisFAXtion/400.  When working as a modem, it acts like
a 16450 except that it has an approx. 64K byte input buffer.  I still
can't uucp without lost data.  There's something much more seriously
wrong than just long interrupt latencies; you're not going to overflow a
64K buffer without working at it pretty hard.
>
>---
>Bob Amstadt
>bob@amscons.com


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in them either
From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: TIN117 problem
Date: 29 Dec 92 13:33:48 GMT
Organization: DarkTower Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

This was wierd.  I just compiled TIN117 off of mwcbbs about a week
ago, and it locked on me for some reason.  I posted an article
to a newsgroup, and it said "Artilce Posted" at the bottom, but
then it crashed somehow.  I had to "kill quit PID" it from
root.  It quit fine with the message TIN: trap (quit) [ ya know,
the usual quit message].  It wouldn't respond to any keystrokes.

Anyone else have a similar problem or know anything about this?  It
never happened to me with TIN116.

-Louis

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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: TIN117 problem
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 23:30:35 GMT

H.C. Pulley (hcp@csx.cciw.ca) wrote:
[...]
: I had this happen to me.  It turned out to be inews that was hanging for me.  
: It was doing this because the /usr/lib/news directory had its ownership 
: changed (by me of course, shooting myself in the foot) from news to usenet (the
: admin user).  inews was hanging because it couldn't write its lock file.  It
: would time out eventually, but not after a long time.
: 
: Check the ownership and permissions on /usr/lib/news (I think that is the 
: directory) and the ownership and permissions on inews, etc.  If inews and 
: several other news programs can't write their lock files then they wait (as 
: they should; this is the reason for lockfiles!).

Be carefully with the usenet user. This account is for administration of
the news system, so it's in the same group as the news user. You can modify
the news system files with this user, or run "rnews -U" or "wnbill" manually,
things which user joe shouldn't can do. But it's not a good idea to copy
files or create new directorys under /usr/spool/news with that user, because
now usenet is the owner of this files/directorys. All files under /usr/lib/news
and /usr/spool/news must be owned by the user news, not usenet! Alternative
you could give the news user a valid password and do the administration of
the news system with that user, but remember: mails about control messages
goes to user usenet.
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request file /usr/spool/uucppublic/info for instructions
From: mfaurot@bogart.uucp (Michael Faurot)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Coherent v4 SCSI and ST-506
Summary: Questions about Coherent when used with a SCSI host adpater
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:43:13 GMT
Organization: ism:c:m/xo

A few questions here concerning SCSI and Coherent.  I'm currently
running v4 with an ST-506 (RLL) controller and I installed Coherent with
only this support.  I'm thinking about getting a SCSI host adapter
sometime within the future, probably an Adaptec 1542b.

1)	I recall when doing the install, that the installation program
	prompts whether you wish to use an AT style controller
	(ST-506, ESDI and IDE), a SCSI or both.  Is anyone running
	Coherent with both an ST-506 controller and a SCSI controller?
	If yes, what type SCSI controller (vendor and model #).  Which
	controller does the system boot from?  Which controller is
	controlling your floppy drives?  

2)      Assuming that it is possible to use both an ST-506
	controller and a SCSI controller in the same machine with
	Coherent concurrently, which SCSI controller is best to use if
	you are not able to alter the ST-506's configuration (ie.,
	you're not able to disable the floppy support and/or must boot
	from the ST-506)?

3)	I currently need to run Coherent with alternative polling
	so that it properly accesses my ST-506 controller.  What, if
	any, impact will this have on the SCSI end of things if both
	SCSI and ST-506 can exist together?

4)	How does one go about adding in SCSI support after the system
	is already installed?  Obviously the various device files
	need to be created, the kernel probably needs to be updated
	etc.  I know I could get this done by re-installing, but that
	is an unacceptable solution (IMO).

5)	Any comments or tips on using Adaptec SCSI controllers with 
	Coherent either in conjunction with another type controller or
	used alone?  Any recommended IRQ, DMA, jumper settings etc.? 
	Any particular model number that's best suited for use with
	Coherent over another, or one to particularly avoid?  Any
	versions of the firmware on board to look for over another?
	
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From: michael@jester.GUN.de (Michael Gerhards)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Loosing chars with ZyXEL 1496E+ and Coherent 4.0.1
Date: 27 Dec 92 00:27:32 GMT
Organization: private
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

kosta@blues.kk.sub.org (Kosta Kostis) writes:
> This is a modem (ZyXEL 1496E+) / Coherent (4.0.1) problem.
> 
> I'm running Coherent 4.0.1 on a i386SX/16 with 2 MB and a ZxXEL 1496E+
> having real trouble connecting them. I have never faced these problems
> with my old Hyundai 2400 bps internal modem. The ZyXEL 1496E+ is
> connected to a multi I/O card with 16450 UARTs, so I thought, I'd better
> run at no more than 19200 bps. I use device "/dev/com1fr" for the modem.

The highest speed Coherent allows on the serial port is 19200. But if you
have 16450UARTs ( with no internal buffer ) the cpu cannot get every
character. Thsi is because of the multi-tasking-environment, where many jobs 
have to be done at the same time. Try to get a 16550UART with an internal
buffer. I tested the Zyxel 1496b ( internal ) and I get ca. 900 cps without
any errors. ( Coherent's uucp )

> I guess there's some trouble with my device driver.   :-(

No, the modem speed is only to fast for the cpu.

> # /etc/modemcap:

I have the same, but...

> # /usr/bin/modeminit for a ZyXEL 1496E+
> 
> DEV=/dev/modem
> BAUD=19200
> sleep 4 >$DEV&
> stty $BAUD <$DEV
> cat >$DEV <<\!
> AT E0 V0 Q1 S0=1 &B1 &C1 &D3 &H3 &K4 &N0
> !

my /usr/bin/modeminit looks like this:

# /usr/bin/modeminit 9/5/91

DEV=/dev/modem
BAUD=19200
sleep 4 >$DEV&
stty $BAUD <$DEV
cat >$DEV <<!
AT E0 Q1 V0 X7 M0 S0=0 S38=32 &D3
!

# end of /usr/bin/modeminit

> # modem settings/information

I didn't change anything in the modem-setting. The modem has its original
default values ( atz0 ) and the init is done with /usr/bin/modeminit.

> U1496E  V 5.04a P 

Oops, I still have the 4.12

Michael
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From: stephan@forthdv.rmt.sub.org (Stephan Forth)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: looking for wordprocessor
Keywords: 
Summary: 
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Forthy at home
Date: Sun,  3 Jan 93 13:33:04 GMT

Hi networld,

is there ANY wordprocessing system available for Coherent that works with
the HP Deskjet 500.
Are PCL Fonts available that could be downloaded to the printer. None
of the supplied font-width-tables work.

HELP Wordprocessing is the task I need most at the moment ( I'm a student :-))

Thanks Stephan
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From: rjt@softin.lonestar.org (Richard Threlkeld)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Colorado Systems - Conversation
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 11:20:07 CST
Organization: Software Innovation, Arlington, Tx

rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

> The problem that I have seen, with systems running DOS, is that the user
> backs up his system to a floppy controlled tape.  One day, perhaps months
> later, he decides to reload from the tape, and the tapedrive chokes and
> returns a "can't read tape error".  One guy I know, who does freelance
> CAD work, solves the problem by doing redundant backups to 2 tapes. Sometimes
> one tape will work and sometimes it is the other.
> 
> Floppy tapes are not reliable.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	merk!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP

I have the CMS Jumbo 250 with the hardware controller card.  This is available
with hardware compression or without.  Without, it is cheap.  Either of them 
will double the transfer rate over that with the floppy controller and 
may solve your reported reliability problems.  I have been using this 
structure for about 18 months with *no* problems.  I have made hundreds of 
backups (I have a 1G drive partitioned into 6 logical DOS drives and two
COH partitions).  I have restored many times (I had a flaky drive prior to 
this one) and used it for the transfer and reallocate for the new drive.

I get about 100Mb in 14 mins with compression, BTW.
From: ed@invid.mwc.com (Ed Bravo)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: game port driver code?
Date: 30 Dec 92 04:27:35 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
>         Does anyone have any code for reading joysticks from the gameport
 under
> Coherent?  A device driver or program code would be fine.
>
>         I've got info on what needs to be done and don't want to reimplement
 it
> if I can avoid it.  Any ideas on how to implement it would be welcome too (eg.
> how to turn off task switching while in the busy wait loop, timers and the ilk
> I might be able to use, more efficient ways to access the I/O port than
> /dev/kmem, etc.)
>
>         If I decide it's too much for me to do, I'll summarize if there is
> interest.

Right now, a game port driver is scheduled, but hasn't been started yet.
A similar project that is being worked on is a Sound Blaster device driver,
which might include the joystick interface; but it isn't completed yet.

>
> thanks,
> Pat White (patbob)
> --
> Pat White (patbob@sequent.com, work: (503) 578-3463)
>
From: root@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca (Superuser)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: GCC etc
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:57:09 GMT
Organization: RWSYS Exporter BBS system

comeau@csanta.attmail.com (Greg Comeau) writes:
> In article <9212131744.21@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
> That is correct.  And in fact we've had a Comeau C++ 3.0 With Templates
> port literally sitting here since before 4.0 got released waiting for MWC
> to fix some problems with their  C compiler and tool set, etc.  Our COHERENT
> C++ is finished and waiting.
> 
> We find this highly disturbing however we did receive a call from them this
> week for the first time in months, so perhaps our release is near.
> (We find it double disturbing because we also see and hear comment about them
> porting PD stuff, and these kinda things can only lead us to believe that they
> are not serious about third parties that make efforts to support them).
> 
> - Greg
> -- 
>          Comeau Computing, 91-34 120th Street, Richmond Hill, NY, 11418
>                    Producers of Comeau C++ 3.0 With Templates
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Can you post a bit more info on Comeau C++. Especially, what are these
Templates?

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From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in an intelligent serial board?
Date: 29 Dec 92 13:33:45 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.linux,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Organization: DarkTower Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Secret Mud (ron@zooid.guild.org) wrote:
: From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
: >Bob Amstadt (bob@amscons.amscons.com) wrote:

Wow!  THat was wierd!  I saw a reply from ron to e-mail I sent to
Bob.  And I think that maybe somewhere someone was replying instead
of posting and hit the wrong button by accident?

Darn keys are too close to each other!

:-)

-Louis

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From: tpa10@snappy-tom.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Thomas P. Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Colorado Systems - Conversation
Keywords: When will MWC learn ... ???
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:17:00 GMT

In article <92122023746@hphbbs.E.open.de>, hph@hphbbs.E.open.de (H.P. Heidinger, Essen) writes:

 ...much deleted...

|>  Come on MWC guys - first promote what is worth to do. Maybe there is
|>  no need anymore, to bang your heads against junk-ware-drivers, if
|>  people realize what a decicated high-performance parallel peripheral
|>  bus-system offers. That's what SCSI _IS_! and what the ADAPTEC-1542B
|>  offers - not just a thingabum disk controller.
|>  
|> 
|> 
|> Regards, Peter

-- 
Although you are VERY RIGHT from a technical standpoint, please cut the guys
at MWC some slack!!  If you follow the newsgroup you know that an ugly mob was
beginning to form, and we were in the midst of running to get our torches and
pitchforks to go attack the "Colorodo Systems" monster.  MWC just responded to
what amounted to a request for support from the user community.  Perhaps more 
people feel that they should spend their efforts upgrading the SCSI driver and
skip the other, but based on the traffic here, one would never know it.

And don't forget economics!  The "thingabum disk controller", while not the
best answer in the world DOES work and it IS cheap(er) (only in the short 
term, but that's another debate 8-)).    

Tom Anderson                    |  Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam
Compatibility Software Products |     e tenebras ad luce!
tpa10@css.amdahl.com  x63115    |  - someone famous, i'm sure!
From: ed@invid.mwc.com (Ed Bravo)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Calling man for 'two-word' subjects?
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:25:57 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
> kestas@lith.UUCP (Kestutis Sliupas) writes:
> : Hi:
> :       I was wondering how to access man articles for 'two-
> : worded' subjects; ie 'modem control'? I can't find it in the manual,
> : man modemcontrol, man modem-control and man modem_control all fail.
> : Suggestions?
> :
>


 $ man "modem control"

This is the proper form.   This works just fine here.
        type   man "data types"   and see what happens.

mwc tech support
>
> or
>
> $ man 'modem control'
>
> --
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>