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From:         RKESSLER@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU
Subject:      Liminality and the Ga:revised
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Some of you might recall the problem I was having with
_liminality_ in the piece about the Homowo harvest festival
among the Ga of Ghana. I returned the essay to the author for
her to mull over. You might enjoy the results. I quote, in part:

Dear Rod:
     Thank you for your graceful editing of my Homowo
piece--it's a rare treat to have a graceful editor in
these times. Apart from a brief change on page 5...page
7...page 9, I have left your editing in place. You
queried a couple of phrases and words: for "chiefly
stools" how about "chiefs' thrones" or even "thrones"?
and for "liminality" "timelessness" (although
liminality connotes more betwixt-and-between and
structurelessness, I think timelessness will work)....


Somehow I suspect the gracefulness here is all on her part.

 ...These restrictions on socially disruptive activities
reinforce the [liminality / timelessness] of the Homowo
festivities.

--Rod
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:48:31 CST
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Subject:      RE: My first CS assignment: THE WAKATRON!

Joan says:

>You might console your father by pointing out that you are more likely
>to be employable with CS training -- I don't know if Indian parents are
>concerned with this as American parents are.

I think I should mention there is no such thing in my family as an
inconsolable father. That sliver of saponified entertainment didn't
really happen. It's just a story.

What actually happened was I casually mentioned to my parents that
I was going to major in math. They asked if I was sure I could be
employed. I said I thought so, but that I might think of changing
to Computer Science later on. The matter rested there, till I told
them some time ago that I had changed programs. Now the matter rests
THERE.

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____Burmashave.
From: gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK (Graham Toal)
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Maybe not what you're looking for, but in the ballpark? Boulevard vs bulwark?

G
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Subject: Re: Things that make you go *sigh*
Date: 19 Nov 1992 05:56:58 GMT
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In a previous article, dorisann@TENET.EDU (Doris Smith) says:

>Eleven slots for eggs, ten hot dogs for packages of eight buns (or is it
>the other way around?)...

Eight hotdogs for twelve buns  - seen that too.  My fridge has zero egg slots.

>what else doesn't fit?
>
This thread, in a discussion of language.....:-)
Also - those 18-count boxes of eggs don't fit anywhere.  Then there's those
packages of Tortilla chips that contain 2.33 ounces...  Why 2.33?

-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
			- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
	      Where anything can happen, and it usually does
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:42:23 CST
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Subject:      INCREDIBLE SCIENTIFIC FINDING

                SCIENTISTS FIND INCREDIBLE MUTATIONS!

The

    oooo
    nnnn

pattern has been tried inside incubators here at the U of Chicago labs.
The eggs in the top row hatch into normal chickens while the bottom row
gives mutated headless chickens.

tushar
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:28:37 EST
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Cincinnati dialect: Update
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>  Sure is, Doris.  Particularly in the classic 'mole poblano' -- chicken
>  (or more authenticly New World, turkey) with chocolate-chili sauce.
>
>  If I'm not mistaken, this is the exception to Judith's rule of cooking:
>
>        there is no dish than cannot be improved by either chocolate or
>        garlic, but not both.
>
Right. That is the classical "exception that proves the rule".

judith
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
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> So finally what was it that he said he had decided to do? My deduction
> is that it had something to do with obnoxiousness.
>
> >this not being Latin, I have no idea what you said!
>
> The thing to be most thankful for is that it wasn't pig latin!
>
> tushar

Eye-ay asway eyeingtray ootay eebay  oxiousobnay.
--ggs (glad *ts* suggested that....almost forgot I was trilingual)
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Another Contest
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> > Besides, my mother never watches Saturday Night Live and has not seen
> > _Wayne's World_, so the likelihood of her talking this way is pretty close
> > to non-existent.
>
> Surely the use of ...NOT is limited to those who watch SNL or have seen _WW_.
> Besides, she teaches in a high school, and her knowledge of teen talk must be
> prety good - right, Nancy?
> rashmi

I hear it, Rashmi, but I've never gotten the ...NOT habit.  When I used
"absolutely not" in speaking to Gilbert, I was using it for emphasis in the
way I heard it as a child.  The tone in which this was usually uttered
made it perfectly clear to naughty (or potentially naughty) children that
no more was to be heard on the subject.
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:58:59 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Establishment (was legislating)

>Is it even necessary to observe that "courage of conviction" is also
>often found in close proximity to gargantuan stupidity?  Always keep that
>in mind, Tushar.

Thus, it follows by the necessity of transitivity of proximity that genius
is found in close proximity to gargantuan stupidity.

It takes either a genius or a moron to observe that, Marty. Never forget
it.

tushar
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:36:21 CST
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Things that make you go *sigh*
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> hadn't planned on. The wallet grab is just <foreplay> to the <high hard
> one> that is in store for all of us. And if you want shrill cronelike

Why does everybody seem to be against taxes?  I'm all for taxes if they're
fair.  I like the fact that I don't have to make arrangements for the
street in front of my house to be paved.  I like the fact that running for
President is open to people who cannot necessarily afford to pay for the
fuel to fly Air Force One out of their own pockets if elected.  I would
like to see a health care plan similar to Canada's.  I'm perfectly willing
to pay higher taxes *if* my millionnaire brother (the Republican who does
not like Canada's idea of health care) also pays higher taxes.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:48:01 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Blast From The Past (Long!)

>> *400*? Where ever did they get the time?
>> A
>
>I don't know.  Do you think perhaps they use/used a notebook computer
>hooked up to a mobile phone?  Can that be done?

The figures are for four hundred and fifty-eight days, darn it.

Jeez.

tushar
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Date: 16 Nov 92 23:02:26 GMT
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:Well, well, well...Clinton has decided that the best way handle his
:campaign promise to elevate gays from the status of <vile beast> in the
:military is to appoint a commission which will bury, er, study the matter.
:That's the last we'll ever hear about this issue.

Well, he *did* say he'd find a task-force job for Perot... :-)

G
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:31:31 CST
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Subject:      Re: Another Contest

>>>Gilbert Gabriel, I agree with Bayla...absolutely not.
>>
>> A new twist to the plain vanilla "...NOT!"
>>
>> How many people have heard this?
>
>First time I've heard it, really.  What a waste of language. ...

Well, Nancy, you are the coiner of a brand new tag!

tushar
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 12:20:44 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Graham needs some putting in place!

>>Hmmm, wonder who I had dinner with couple of months back - Tushar or
>>Mahalingam?
>
>Didn't you <peek>?

How would that distinguish?

You sack of scat, you rhinocerotic smeller-face, I am condescending
to reply to this only to save you the typing of fifteen more anxious
twittery postings asking "did you twig", "did people get it", "was it
too subtle for all you morons to understand"!

Watch the tongue, bozo!

tushar
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:59:29 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
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My apologies to Marty - I spoke too soon. Now I have discovered the
only posting which he could possibly be referring to when he mentioned
jokes.

tushar
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:47:15 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: 'Wimmin' 'Womyn' - Historical Roots?

>>I think "person" is fine. Is it really true that it hasn't entered
>>language?
>>
>>tushar
>>
>I always spoke of myself as a draftsman.  Female draftsman never bothered
>me though I thought it was silly.  Draftsperson drives me up a wall.

Actually, I was thinking of words like "chairperson" and "layperson".
Theu are beginning to sound pretty natural to me.

tushar
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From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: what? no report yet?
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>Yeah, but what is Grant like?

>-abh

        I was informed that he has a 'Canadian accent.'

        Oot and aboot, eh?

neal
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:29:10 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: Things that make you go *sigh*

>The premise of the question is false.  I, for one, have never said
>"disoriented like a decapitated chicken."  Who is the intended "we?"

So the premise merely fails to be authenticated by one case - very
different from disproved. As for the intended meaning of "we", it is
obvious to us.

>I have, of course, heard the colorful expression "running around like a
>chicken with its head cut off," but again, I have never said this (since
>I try to eschew colorful expressions, which tend to draw undue attention
>to one's writing, along with the consequent critical scrutiny that often
>ensues).

This is a good policy. I too follow it.

tushar
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From:         ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
Subject:      Re: Handbook for Torture?
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Posted on 20 Nov 1992 at 19:10:31 by Judith E. Schrier
>What is the point of this study group, please?

We started with the topic of visual perception.  The particular book
we chose to read is called "Symmetry, Causality, Mind" by Michael Leyton.
It's quite interesting, but *very* hard to read.  He talks about
reconstructing art--that is, when you look at a painting, you can
tell what happened before the painting was made if you follow his
rules about symmetry and asymmetry.  (It makes sense, but in a very
complicated way; I realize that I am not doing him in justice.)

Well, time was passing, and we were reading, and had gotten to page 37
after 10 weeks, and so I skipped to page 600.  Whereupon he describes
the real purpose of the book:  to allow people whose history has been
erased to reconstruct it.  It is quite amazing--he gives examples from
WWII and from modern Eastern Europe.  He also includes the categories
of prisoners, slaves, refugees, and homeless people.  They have all
lost their history.

Anyway, we began talking today about the reintegration of homeless people
into society, and then we started talking about Terry Waite, who was
bound and gagged for much of his captivity as a hostage, and who
recently published a volume of poetry written during his captivity.

The question arose about the purpose of torture, and if there is a
handbook, and I said that wordslers would know.  We don't plan to
put any of it into action, Judith!

Karen
who is tired and going home now
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Things that make you go *sigh*
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> This reminds me. Everyone check out this cool question: WHY do
> we say "disoriented like a decapitated chicken"? Has anyone SEEN

Who says "disoriented like a decapitated chicken"?  Is that anything like
"running around like a chicken with its head cut off"?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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*** Resending note of 11/17/92 19:21
From:         James R Llewellyn <jrlst14+@PITT.EDU>

>Don,
>    Thank you for sharing. That story makes me once again feel like a
>member of a decent society. It has renewed hope for the future.

Well thank you Jim!

>Peace, Love, and Universal Family,
>Jim

Don, peaceful and unpretentious
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Date:         Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:28:34 -0600
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From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      ha and ha again
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To all you <smart-aleks> who think I am nothing but awful to newbies:

I just got private mail from Charles Cochran saying he will be back with
us in three or four weeks, and that *I* am the reason he is coming back!
You see, after he left, I undertook to <evangelize> him into coming back,
and it worked.

So there, take that, Tushar! How many lost sheep have *you* ever returned
to the fold?

-abh
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From:         "Alec D. Plotkin" <185422285@UCIS.VILL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Southern Culture on the Skids
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>On Thu, 19 Nov 1992, Charles Cochran wrote:

>> So, though I like it here, I find it necessary to unsubscribe. Adieu. I
>> have enjoyed my brief exchanges with one or two of you. Anybody who

>Thing is, you don't have to read EVERY post to stay on the list. Shoot,
>many's the time when I've killed 300 postings at a shot when I've fallen
>too far behind.

>-abh

Wimps delete, women and men read all messages.

adp
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
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>
> P.S. I'm assuming that the Portland Planners are planning.  Haven't
> heard much from them since we decided on Portland as the '93 site.

Maybe you'd better have that goat on the back burner, just in case.
Doris
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From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Quiet Night?
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>I didn't ever think that the list would be this quiet.
It's morning, and there are 50 postings in the hopper.

>Were Sherlock and Watson lovers?
I don't care.

>What is the best poem to woo women?
Marvell's _To His Coy Mistress_

>Should a man be more concerned with pc or chivalry?
Be verbally PC, but behave with chivalry...to both men and women!

>What does eating escargot feel like?
A lot like eating chicken gizzards...but they tend to be
served with better sauces...

>What one act is the the best thing you have done?
>Note: Marriage and childbirth are too easy!
No, they aren't. Marriage is *very* difficult! And it would take
a *long* time to think of anything other than childbirth that I'd
call the best thing...

>If you were stranded on an island with one other wordsler, whom would it be?
<sphinx-like smile>

>Respondents are encouraged to address each question under a different
>title.
Sorry...no.

>Jim
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              16 Nov 1992 23:45:35 CST from <samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU>

On Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:45:35 CST <samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU> said:
>Another thing: Under no circumstance should one suggest to Dan
>that his are the most predictable responses to everything,
>although it is perfectly true. I speak from experience.
>
   Well, who did tushie inform in advance of what my response would be?

No one?

What a fucking surprise....


dan
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From:         Emily Horning <ECZ5EJH%UCLAMVS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Usenet question

I'm not at all familiar with usenet, so bear with me. Are all listservs avail-
able on usenet? I know words-l is, but I don't know about the others. Thanks!

Emily (who is trying to drag her friend Ken into the words-l lions' den...but
when I told him what abh does to <fresh meat>, he got <scared>...8-)  )
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Emily writes:
> > 20) Cal Worthington (Emily)

>Cal Worthington is an institution in southern California - he's been around as
>long as I can remember him (which is at least twenty years). He owns several
>auto dealerships around here, and does his own commercials on TV.

He was doing the same bit in 1966  when I moved to southern California. More
famous at that time was Ralph Williams @ 15800 Ventura Blvd. in Encino  --
he would pack the lot with a zillion cars parked every which way -- cars
featured in his ad were always incredibly cheap and were pieces of junk
(we went looking one day -- found the side away from the camera was bashed in;
apparently this was typical, but good for a come-on.

--- Joan Boorstein (boorstein%umbsky.dnet@ns.umb.edu)
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From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: November 22
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On Sun, 22 Nov 1992, Bob (Moo Cow) Hyland wrote:

> Howdie all.  I'm new here and my name is Bob.  Yes, just another Bob, I guess.
> Anyway, talk to me and let me know what's happening on this channel.  I hate
 to
> feel left out, ya know.  Oh, and happy turkey day.

Nuttin', honey. Well, almost.

-abh
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Subject:      Re: Self-Hating Jews

>Hello Tushar.It's interesting to me that this occurs in communities that
>(from a very limited knowledge and experience) in which assimilation is not
>or does not appear to be an issue. I have always assumed that it was more
>prevalent in those segments of any minority community which wishes to be
>*like* the majority.

I don't think so, but I don't know what else I can say about this. Probably
the attitude that we can "flame ourselves" only in our own private circles.
If that's what leads to it, then being a minority trying to assimilate is
not the key issue.

tushar
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