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From: gordonb@mcil.comm.mot.com (Gordon Berkley)
Subject: Birthday Parties / 7 yo girls...
Organization: Motorola Communications Israel Ltd., Tel Aviv
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 11:27:46 GMT

Oh Boy!  I can't believe I survived!
We had a sleep-over party last week for my 7 yo daughter.
(Sleep-overs seem to be a "girl" phenomena.  I know that I never had one,
nor did any of my male friends...)

The party itself was a success: pin-the-candle-on-the-cake, twister
and a movie/video for entertainment, with pizza and dirt-cake for
refreshments.
(The dirt-cake was lots of fun.  "It's not *really* dirt, is it?"  Definately
worth the effort to make, even if only for the reactions!)

We had 5 friends over for the party, and then 3 girls slept over.
At least, that's what they were *supposed* to do.  If I ever hear a giggle
again it will be too soon!

*sigh* I think this "silly age" (from 6 -> ??) bugs my wife even more than
it bugs me.  Any comments on when it ends?
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From: menon@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Ravi Menon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: misc.kids Membership List - Revised 8/21/92
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:29:58 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

Hi, I thought when you posted the list of kids names a while back, that the Ezrawas mine.  Guess it was someone else.  Please add us to the list.

	Ezra Anand Menon
	11-06-91
	Ravi and Deantha Menon
	menon@beagle.cu.edu


thanks,

Deantha
From: salvaggi@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Nanette Salvaggio)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Stoppint bedtime bottle
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:56:26 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY



My son who is 9.5 months old stopped wanting his bedtime bottle
two nights ago.  We did our normal bedtime ritual and when I
offered him his bottle he took a taste, and then gave it back.
I tried a few more times but he just was not interested, so I 
put him to bed.  I really expected he would wake up hungry at
some point but he didn't.  So last night we put him to bed
wothout even offering it to him.  Again he slept through the
night.  Is this a little young to start not needing feed at bedtime?
My MIL and Dad think he should still be getting one but I am not
so sure.  My question what is the age of net children when they 
stop bedtime bottles?

Nanette
salvaggi@alnitak.kodak.com
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From: latwood@oodis01.af.mil (Lynette Atwood)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
Subject: Low Weight in 14.5 month old
Date: 11 Aug 92 13:55:27 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Distribution: na
Organization: Hill AFB, Utah


Hi all.  I took Jeremy (my 14.5 month old boy) to the pediatrician's
last Friday to check on his ears.  Jeremy had a slight runny nose and
was pulling on his ear.  The doctor noticed that it was slightly red
and put him on an antibiotic.  Then she weighed him.  At 14.5 months
he only weighs 17.5 lbs!!!!  Jeremy was 8lbs 5oz at birth and 21
inches long (not a real petite kid  :-)  ).  He is now over 25 inches
tall but hasn't gained weight since he was 9 months old!!!!  Jeremy
eats and drinks like a horse (no offense to any horses with net
access).  He eats table foods mostly with no real diet restrictions
(we don't usually eat much red meat - other than that it's pretty
normal).

His pediatrician did CBC and blood sugar tests which were both normal
(hemoglobin a little low - give him vitamins with iron was the
recommendation).  Then she did a urinanalysis and a stool culture (why
do they always leave the "fun" samples for mom to obtain??!).  Both of
these were fine too.  The stool was tested for protein and fat
absorbtion, parasites, etc (they ran about a dozen different tests and
cultures  -  I can't remember them all).  The doctor is a little less
worried now.  I need to take him back in 4 - 6 weeks and have him
reweighed.  Other than that Jeremy is very healthy and active.  To
look at him you wouldn't guess that he weighs so little, until you
pick him up.  He isn't "unhealthy" looking  -  he looks and acts just
fine.

Has anyone else ever had a baby do this?  He is "above average" in
height but way below the chart in weight.  Any medical types out there
who have dealt with something similar?  Any "healthy" ways to help a
child gain weight?        (Yea I know, when he is 16 and is 6 foot 2
inches and weighs 195lbs I'll be looking back and laughing.)

e-mail please.  And thanks


 _//  Lynette Atwood _/_ _/_
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From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, clueless old white curmudgeon boy)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:08:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23469
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, clueless old white curmudgeon boy)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <23468@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj, clueless old white curmudgeon boy) writes:
>David, you have no right whatsoever as a Christian to defame me
Sorry, it was Daniel.  Oh well. Sorry about that, it wasn't deliberate.
David, Daniel, Abendigo...  

:-)
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tbachman@hamline.edu (Toni Bachman)
Subject: Re: Youngest Going To Kindergarten
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, MN.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:51:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.225406.22650@ast.saic.com> hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com writes:
>One thing that I know helped him tremendously was to be able to visit
>the room he was going to be in and meet the teacher ahead of time.

Our school district organized what they called a Kindergarten Happening last
spring - the kids went with their teachers and did some "work" and road the
bus and got some special coloring books, a calendar to markthe days, and a
button that says "I'm in Kindergarten"  The older children start school on
the eighth of September and the kindergarten starts the eleventh - so the older
kids are all "excited out" by the times the little ones get there - and the
theory is that when the older kids see the buttons on the little kids that they
can help them find things, etc.

Anyway, this all worked out well for my first two boys - now I really want
to say that Fredrick (the little guy) is not afraid, he has seen his teacher
in the grocery store (and hugged her everytime) several times.  He is very
happy to be going to school - finally (we held him back last year because he
didn't turn five until September 7) and I just want to make it a special
time since it's the last little guy to go off to school (Until I get 
pregnant again - talked to Hubby last night and he is all for it!!!) I
just want it to be a memorable experience for him - I'm taking the day
off work, buying film for the camera and all that - just want to do
something special -----

Thanks!!!

Toni

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: floom@cco.caltech.edu (Laura E. Floom)
Subject: Re: tipped uterus & getting pregnant
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 13:52:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.191906.2026@hern.stonemarche.org> brighid@hern.stonemarche.org writes:
>
>I've got a tipped uterus. (Luckily, not from
>endometreois.) And I want to have a child.
>Does anyone have any advice on getting pregnant
>quickly despite a tipped uterus?

I have heard that tipped uteruses have no baring on ferility. It seems
that I now have a tipped uterus, but didnt before I had my first child.
I guess he was so heavy he tipped it ;-). Anyway, it took me 18 months
to get pregnant the first time, and the second time it took me one month,
tipped uterus and all!

Laura Floom
From: devon@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Devon Nichols)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Progesterone Therapy - Thanks
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:19:22 GMT
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com


Thanks to all who responded to my posting for information
about Progestrone therapy and for your sharing of your individual 
experiences.   Your words of sympathy and encouragement have
helped to give me courage and hope.

My mailer bounced a few of my responses back and since many of 
you requested anonymity I would like you to know how grateful 
I am even if I can't publicly acknowlege you.  Thanks, this really 
is a very caring group of people.

Thanks again.
Devon
From: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Transitional (Toddler) Bed versus Twin Beds
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:03:03 GMT
Reply-To: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA


Our daughter (19 months) has recently started climbing
out of her crib.  We talked about purchasing a "toddler"
bed but then weren't sure about whether to go to that
bed or a regular twin bed.  What are the advantages/disadvantages
of either one??

As a side note, we are expecting in April, so will need the
crib by that time anyway (or a little after).

Leigh Ann

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From: ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: need advice on Cancer
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:52:18 GMT
Organization: Home for the Terminally Infirm

In article <gcLyoB1w164w@glnserv.UUCP> kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon) writes:
>About a week or two ago, my ex- announced that he might need to cut short
>his summer visitation with our daughter. He found out that he has cancer
>of the prostrate. I don't think he has told her too much about it, except
>that he needs to go the doctor and the hospital. She doesn't seem too much
>concerned, so I doubt that he has explained it to her. He has just brought
>her home so he can go to the hospital for surgery and chemotherapy.
>
>What I need advice on, is the best way to explain it to her. Since Cancer
>is not a short-term disease, she needs to know what is going on. I prefer
>a book that we can read together and discuss, as I myself have limited
>knowlege of the details. thanks.
>
>
>* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *

I tried e-mail, but it kept bouncing... <sigh>

If your site carries alt groups, I suggest that you repost this to
alt.support.cancer.  

The American Cancer Society has a large amount of literature that they
will send you.  Sorry, I don't have  their 800 number right now; try
getting it from 800-555-1212.

The side effects of surgery for prostatic cancer are rather unpleasant,
and not something I'd be inclined to discuss with a 9-year-old
daughter.  You ex is very likely having enough trouble coping with his
condition himself that he might well not want to discuss it too much
with her.  Besides, in these days when even the most innocent act is
potentially interpretable as child abuse, what NCP father is likely want
to discuss such things as impotence with a young daughter?

If it will help, I'll be happy to discuss my own experience with
prostatic cancer with you by e-mail.   (I'll very likely be able to
figure out from your mail header how to get mail back to you.)
-- 
Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear              ekman@netcom.com
Home for the Terminally Infirm, Redwood City, California
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp)
Subject: Re: Somewhat wierd Ultrasound Experience
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:37:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.114741.3861@linus.mitre.org> m13079@mwunix (Mary Anne Walters) writes:
>>
[Michelle writes:]
>>I am guessing that about halfway through the exam I broke out in
>>cold sweats, felt like I was going to throw up and the baby went
>>ballistic.  She was kicking and moving around like nothing I had
>>ever felt before. 
>>
>>Anyone have anything like this happen?
>>
>>michelle

Michelle, I was pretty nervous in the middle of the exam because
that was when we were going to look for the baby's sex.  I really
want a girl and was extremely nervous about looking.  Also, I was
pretty anxious at the beginning of the exam as well, with my heart
absolutely racing, but as soon as I became engrossed in the pictures
of the baby, I forgot about my nervousness.

There are those who claim that the baby is "aware" of the ultrasound
and responds with kicking and moving.  Perhaps this is true; perhaps
the baby is reacting to your increased pulse/nervousness/etc.
 
>Still the best part of it all was that we actually saw the baby's heart
>and I could clearly see 4 chambers, each pair seeming to be of the same size,
>and the blood flowing, valves opening and closing in time with each other,
>and all 5 fingers on one of it's hands (no crotch shot -- maybe it is a shy
>girl :-)  ).  What a relief.  While we know this is no guarantee of a good
>outcome, at least we are fairly sure the heart is ok this time.  For that,
>whatever discomfort was well worth it. 

After seeing all of the above plus a tricky crotch shot of what appears to
be a girl, I was pretty relieved.  UNTIL lately, when I have begun to
worry constantly about the baby dying in utero; I am told this is a very
common fear.  I hope it goes away after the baby is born; i. e. I am
not checking on the baby every 5 seconds to make sure it is still breathing!

Good luck to both of you, Mary Anne and Michelle!

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:07:46 GMT

In article <16tguuINN9gu@iraul1.ira.uka.de> stoesser@i31s21.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) writes:
>
>How about "If you don't hate ... your children, you cannot be one of my 
>disciples." [Jesus]
>
If we're going to discuss Jesus' statements about children (hey, it applies
to misc.kids finally), let's at least discuss the verse correctly.  I take
this from the New Revised Standard Version of the Bible.

"Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; whoever 
loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever does
not take up the cross and follow me is not worthy of me."  Matthew 10:37-38

I am curious how you concluded that to love God more than your child equated
with hating your children.  Or is this the way your mind twisted the verse
as you rejected the teachings of your childhood?   I was amazed at how I
remembered the Bible from my childhood and how different my memory was once
I started reading it again as an adult.  Versus I'd have sworn to just aren't
there.  And lot's I'd forgotten is.  


-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:30:23 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Aug19.201741.23943@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.221215.28413@silma.com> sj@silma.com (Suzanne) writes:
>>An even cooler idea than duplicate blankets is to encourage
>>your baby to use a cloth diaper instead of a blanket.  This
>>was a tip we heard from friends.  They're replaceable, cleanable,
>>and come in packages of 12!
>
>I tried that. It didnt work! has anyone out there been able to decide on their
>childs lovey??

Not me!  I had a couple of things that I thought would be wonderful
lovies for Rachel, but she had other ideas.  One day we discovered
that she really seemed to be attached to a cheap blanket that she got
for a baby gift.  This was before she could talk and she would ask for
her blanket by making this funny little laugh.  We have this great
classic on video of the cat lying on her blanket, Rachel looking
really indignant and asking for help.  When it wasn't forthcoming (Dad
would have had to put down the camera!) she finally pulllled it out
from under the cat, hugged it and made "the blankie laugh."  Then, she
said unintelligible things to the cat.  I believe it was cursing.

The blanket is looking pretty bad these days.  We've tried to do a
blankie substitute around 16 months, but Rachel said, "Blankie ONE"
and refused to have anything to do with the imposter blanket.

Kathie

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: barb@sq.com (Barbara Burrows)
Subject: Birth Control and Breast Feeding
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:47:58 GMT


In article <4310188@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen) writes:
>I'll be having my second (and hopefully last) child soon, and then I need 
>to decide what kind of birth control to use.  My ob/gyn recommends *NOT*
>having my tubes tied right after the delivery -- she says that there's a
>higher incidence of the tubes regenerating (or whatever :-) because the
>body is trying to heal up from the delivery.  
>
[Stuff Deleted]

>My husband could also get a vasectomy but he's reluctant (it must be one 
>of those "male" things, though in general he's not at all obsessed with
>being macho :-).  So I'm considering having my tubes tied later on (after
>my body has recovered from the delivery).

My husband was also reluctant.....adamantly, vehemently, no-way....reluctant
to get a vasectomy too.  That is until I started wondering out loud about
having another baby.....8~[.  It's been almost 3 months since V Day and we're
really looking forward to being able to use it 8~> with abandon!!  Your
husband might want to reconsider!


Expecting it'll take a few days to wipe the smile off our faces,
Barbara

PS.  Hope this wasn't too risque.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: stanzi@media.mit.edu (Constance "Stanzi" Royden)
Subject: Re: Hepatitis vaccine
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:08:20 GMT

In article <14086@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
>
>I feel very strongly in favor of vaccinations. Regardless of whether 
>or not they have the right to do so, those people who do not let their 
>children get the DPT shots increase the risk of catching the diseases 
>for other children who, for medical reasons, cannot get the whole series 
>of DPT shots. 
>
>However, this argument for universal vaccinations holds only for diseases 
>of infancy. Given that a child has essentially zero risk of catching 
>hepatitis B as an infant, I would like to have my child wait until he's 
>older to get the hepatitis vaccination. The reason given for vaccinating 
>infants against hepatitis--that parents simply don't vaccinate older 
>children--won't hold in my case, and it's possible that waiting may reduce 
>risk. It will increase the cost, though, as long as the vaccine, reasonably 
>enough, is priced according to volume--larger bodies need a higher dose.

I'm sure you would vaccinate your older child, as would I, but not 
everyone will.  The best way to get as many people as possible is to
vaccinate everyone as infants.  That way they will all be protected
should they later become IV drug users, have unprotected sex or get
some tainted blood products during an operation (apparently, some HepB
tainted blood does get through the system because occaisionally a person
donates who has the disease but has not generated antibodies yet).

I just consulted my resident expert (MD, Infectious Disease Specialist,
PhD work on Hep B virus).  He says that the risk of the Hep B vaccine are
extremely small--in fact miniscule.  There have been extremely large 
trials in adults which show the vaccine is extremely safe and effective.
The vaccine is a protein (Hepititis B Surface Antigen), not the whole 
virus.  It is not like Measles vaccine, which is a live attenuated virus,
and which occaisionally gives people the disease.  Nor is it anything 
like the Pertussis vaccines which causes serious side effects in a small
number of children.  The only risk of injecting this vaccine is a possible
allergic reaction, which is a risk you take for injecting anything.  You
subject your child to a higher risk by driving him/her to the grocery
store in the car than you do by giving him/her this vaccine.  Not only is
this vaccine safe, but it is so effective that there is some evidence that
it can protect babies of mothers with HepB from getting the disease.  So
calm down and get your kids vaccinated.

****Pro-vaccination diatribe******
According to Robin (my SO mentioned above), vaccines and antibiotics are 
the two most effective things medicine has to offer in terms of increasing
the health and longevity of the population as a whole.  But vaccines don't
work unless people get them.  It's really a scandal that the rate of 
vaccination in the US is less than that in the 3rd world!  So, please get
your children vaccinated!
From: kim@m44.unm.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: RE:flying with infant
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:56:45 GMT
Reply-To: kim@m44.unm.edu
Organization: UNM Cancer Center, Albuquerque, NM

Concerning flying with a baby. . .

I made the mistake of forgetting to bring a extra set of clothing for our baby,
and so when her diaper leaked, she had to be without clothing until our
connection in Phoenix.  We had to pay about $13.00 for a tiny T-shirt for her. 
It is very cute, but a bit steep.

In a pinch, those barf bags make great puppets.  We drew a dog face on one and
entertained her with it.

Daniel Kim
From: sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: 2nd Pregnancy Thoughts and Home Tests
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:38:09 GMT
Reply-To: susan.davis@ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis)
Organization: NCR Microelectronic Products Division

I can hardly stand the wait!!  I have 1 more week to find out if I am 
pregnant with my 2nd.

I really "feel" pregnant, but what I want to know is what does "feeling"
pregnant at 1 week past possible conception mean??  What were some of the
earliest signs you all had with your pregnancies?  Be specific, I am
desperate :-)  My breast are a bit "tender" and one of them has a slight
discharge when squeezed (looks like colostrum).  My stomach feels tight
and my back hurts.  All these things could be imagined or phycho-induced?

Also, has anyone used a home pregnancy test (with + result) before the
first day of your missed period?  What is the earliest someone has tested
with a positive result?  I assume that they all say to wait until the 1st
day after your period is late because that is when they get the 99% accuracy
rate, but I would also assume that there is some level of accuracy prior
to that time.  I mean, even if I tested "-" early, I would still retest.
If 50% of woman who are pregnant will test positive one week after conception,
then this is worth the cost to me.  I plan to go buy a double kit and
my thought was that I would test once early, and then if that was "-", I 
would test again if my period was late.  BUT, how early and still have
some hope of accurate results??

Thanks !!

-- Susan Davis
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