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From: felix@dino.dinoco.de (Felix Gersic)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re:  MacSE screen wavers during disk access
Distribution: world
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:40:29 CET
Organization: Private

In article <1992Aug5.170951.260@mis.mcw.edu> jmoulder@mis.mcw.edu writes:
>
>
>> I have been having some trouble with my SE screen occassionally having mild
>> fits of waviness in the display.  I recently put in a new, bigger hard drive
>> and now it appears that the waviness occurrs more often and correlates with
>> disk accesses.  Is this a bad power supply problem as was recently discusses
>> with regard to the MacPlus?  Or is it something else?  thanks.
>> - tom willett  drwho@lab12.gatech.edu
>>
>I had a similar problem with an SE over a year ago.  I took it to an *Apple*
>dealer.  The repair person checked the serial number and told me the problem
>was covered by a [secret warrenty].  The machine was repaired for free, end
>of problem.

When my Mac SE started doing this a few month ago, I took it back to the
store (it still had warranty on it), but they told me that they couldnt
find that it had problems. I was irritated because this thing still occured,
so I went to the dealers again. All that repeated 3 (THREE!!!) times, and I
gave up by now.

>Unfortunately, I do not know exactly what the problem was, and it was long
>enough ago that it will be hard to dig up the paperwork.  Unless this was
>a figment of the dealers imagination, there must be other owners of old
>SE (machine bought within 3 months of first release of the SE) who have
>had this experience.

Since the problem occurs right the way you described it, I think its the
same thing. But my SE is only one year old...

>John Moulder (jmoulder@mis.mcw.edu)

Felix Gersic

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From: peter_chen@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Peter Ming Chen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Changing SCSI ID on Apple 80 ex-internal?
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:29:05 GMT
Organization: E.C.E. Drexel University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2

Does anybody know how to change the SCSI address of a Maxtor 7120 Hard
Disk Driver.

Peter M Chen 

peter_chen@cbis.ece.drexel.edu
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Mac II differences
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:22:02 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

tinsel@uiuc.edu (Thomas Aaron Insel) writes:

>bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:

>> Hmm, lemme think.  This is all from memory, but here goes:

>> 		CPU	Speed	Coproc-		Int
>> Machine	68xxx	(MHz)	essor?	Slots	mike?

>> II		020	16	yes	6	no
>Are you sure it was this fast?

    Yup. It was that fast.

>> IIx		030	16	yes	6	no
>> IIvi		030	16	no	3	yes
>> IIcx		030	20	yes	3	no
>I'm just about postitive the IIcx was 16 MHz.  I remember the IIx, the
>IIcx, and the SE/30 were just about the same machine (except the bus).

    Actually, the only difference in the IIx, IIcx and SE/30 was in
packaging, and price. That is why the SE/30 was such an amazing machine,
and probably still rates as the most versatile mac ever sold.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: cfranz@iiic.ethz.ch (Christian Steffen Ove Franz)
Subject: Re: New IIvx and IIvi...why on EARTH 16mhz? 
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:26:38 GMT

In article <11437294.61.714214282@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 11437294@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (NATHAN WHEAT) writes:
>
>To be cheaper??
>
>>-- 
>> "When I was young we got our first color TV set and our neighbor kids got
>>jealous 'cause their parents wouldn't buy one. So the parents put red green 
>>and blue celophane on it and called it color...now they have Windows 3.1"
>
>What do you think the diff is between Windows (face for DOS) and the MacOS (
>face for God-knows-what)?

Well, I guess it was actually a humorous quote in his .signature.

Anyway, if you really want to know what the diff is, try installing a system
extension like boomerang, afterdark or first-things-first (or *any* system
extension) on a Windows machine. On the Mac, it's drag'n'drop. On the PC it
will surely involve modifying the winini.bat or some other arcane file.

Windows is indeed a face (or facade) for DOS. However, the diff between 
Mac OS and MS DOS is that the Mac was build with a specific OS in mind
(look into all the standartized calls in ROM) while MS DOS is an OS that
is placed squarely on the BIOS and even produced by a different company.
MS DOS (until very recently) used a very outdated technique for allocating
files, called FAT which dates back to the good old CP/M days. Mac OS uses
B+ trees for both directory and file allocation since '85, a superior 
concept that cannot that easily be changed on the MSDOS side.

In my oppinion, it is not Windows that is lacking but the OS behind it
that is not up to standard. The Mac OS is fully integrated into the
front end (the finder) while windows is an additional layer placed on
top of a rather ugly OS

Or as a friend of mine once said: "An ape is an ape, no matter what
mask it wears". The ape in this case would be MS DOS.

>Nathan W.
>
>PS:  Not a flame, a question.

Everything above are my own oppinions, of course. You might disagree,
which is your right to do so. Not a flame, just my oppinion.

Cheers,
Christian


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From: wstomv@wsinpa01.win.tue.nl (Tom Verhoeff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: How do I (dis)mount internal floppy drive in SE/30 ?
Keywords: Internal floppy drive, SE/30, mounting instructions, dust protection
Date: 14 Aug 92 06:37:15 GMT
Reply-To: wstomv@win.tue.nl

I recently obtained a dust cover for the interal floppy drive of my SE/30.
This is to prevent the fan from sucking in dust through the floppy drive.
Now I need to install it.  Therefor one needs to dismount the internal
floppy drive, slide it into the cover, and remount it.  I know how
to install SIMMs (i.e., taking the Mac case apart, disconnecting the
motherboard, sliding it out, etc.).

How do I (dis)mount the internal floppy drive in the SE/30 ?
In what order should I unscrew what parts ?
It seems like a tight jungle out there !

I will summarize responses (actually, this should be standard practice).
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: eugene_rick@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com (Rick M. Eugene)
Subject: Quadra 700 Printing Problem
Organization: Motorola-CIG-CAD/CAE/CAM Support
Distribution: NA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:40:16 GMT

Has anyone out there had problems printing from a Quadra 700?  We have a
problem that refuses to pass any logic tests.  It will print to some printers,
but not others.  It is consistant as to which it will not print to, but not
which type.  It will print to an NTX in one area but not another.  When we
bring another computer to the Quadra location, that machine prints fine.  Any
suggestions would be welcomed.

Rick M. Eugene
Motorola
Cellular Infrastructure Group
CAD/CAE/CAM Support Group
Computer Applications Analyst
E-Mail:		eugene_rick@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
(708) 632-7182
Views are my own, and not those of my employer! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: gil@cc.gatech.edu (Gil Neiger)
Subject: Using ^C with PB170 Internal Modem?
Reply-To: gil@cc.gatech.edu
Organization: College of Computing, Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:15:16 GMT

I apologize if you're seeing this twice.

The subject says it all (almost).  Is there any way to send a ^C over
the PowerBook 170's internal modem?  It seems that the modem always
wants to interpret it as a "break" character.  I can recover by typing
"ato", but it's annoying and, more importantly, it doesn't send the ^C
down the line.  Since I use the modem to log in to UNIX systems,
sending a ^C can be quite useful (as an interrupt, for emacs, etc.).
Is there any way to reconfigure or disable this part of the modem's
operation?  It doesn't seem that "at y" will work.

					- Gil Neiger
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: .. W A I T ... Don't toss those 256K S I M M S !!! (mixing SIMM sizes)
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:30:38 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Distribution: na
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

ags@seaman.cc.purdue.edu (Dave Seaman) writes:

>In article <1992Aug13.000632.18587@venice.sedd.trw.com>  
>gilmore@venice.sedd.trw.com (Larry Gilmore) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug12.150024.16906@sherpa.uucp> david@sherpa.uucp (Dave  
>Quarles) writes:

>>>We here at St. Petersburg Junior College have 2 meg SE's for the faculty
>>>that have 2 slots empty that could use 2-256K SIMMS to add enough ram
>>>for them to use Multifinder.  Believe it or not .5 meg makes a
>>>difference !!
 
>>Couldn't get there via email- don't forget that you cannot mix SIMM
>>sizes within the same bank.

>A bank of SIMM slots on an SE is just two slots, unlike SE/30's, Mac II's  
>and Quadras (i.e. machines that use 68020/30/40 CPU's as opposed to the  
>68000 in an SE), where a bank of SIMM slots is four slots.

    This catch-all statement isn't necessarily true for all cases of
'020, and '030 class machines. Ever looked inside a Classic II or an LC
or LCII? All of these machines have just 2 slots for SIMMS yet are
either '020 or '030 based Macs.

>Therefore, if he says he wants 2-256K SIMMS for an SE, it follows that he  
>is not mixing SIMM sizes within the same bank.

    This is only true for Macs of equal or older age than the SE.

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From: John.Hirsch@mixcom.mixcom.com (John.Hirsch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: IIsi vs new Macs - should I wait?
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:08:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: mixcom.1992Aug19.220843.5385
Distribution: usa
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.

In <1992Aug18.173259.1236@das.harvard.edu> vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy) writes:

>Are you a system 7 user? at all? ever played with it extensively? Except for a
>few minor memory management errors which almost never surface, system 7 is
>definitely better. Yes it's bigger, but it's also better... definitely NOT slower.

  I've been a System 7 user for about a year now and I think it's great on
my LC, much nicer than 6.07.  However, I must agree with the original poster
that at least the Finder is slower.  TuneUp helps though. A recent MacUser or
Macworld article showed actual speeds of System 7 versus an incarnation of
System 6 and definitely showed System 7 to be slower, apparently due to all
the stuff it's doing behind the scenes (pretty technical, eh?).

  I hear that the speed differences aren't as noticable on more powerful
machines, so some may not see a speed difference. I do, though.  But it's
not enough to make me want to go back to System 6.07! (can you say 'Bus
Error' boys and girls?)

>-- Venk Reddy --
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Hi there.
From: Scott_Macrae@mindlink.bc.ca (Scott Macrae)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Radius Pivot/Pivot LE
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:00:51 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the Radius Color Pivot and
the Color Pivot LE?
 Are the cards the same for each model; if not, what are the difference in
features and hardware?
 Where are the best prices likely to be found?
What sort of speed degradation would occur on an SE-30? Is there any kind of
onboard acceleration?
 Is either model upgradeable to 24-bit at a later date?
 Finally, any pertinent observations -- pro or con -- from pivot users would be
appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Macintosh Games Magazine- READ ME!
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:44:27 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <lkingsley-140892093607@lkingsley.crd.ge.com> lkingsley@crd.ge.com (Lorne J. Kingsley) writes:
>I don't necessarily have an opinion one way or the other on this, but, is
>it considered bad form to advertise on the Net? Is anyone going to take


I, for one, am glad that he did.  Otherwise I likely wouldn't have known
about it.  It might be different if we couldn't maintain a KILL file with
nasty message info in it...  but since we can, I don't have a problem with
most of what is seen here on the net.  Cal Worthington, sure... I'd barf.
But low key stuff is fine.  The background noise level is more often
increased by inane topics and flame wars.  Now if they'd ban those, too...

Rick


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From: owen@olympus.arc.nasa.gov..arc.nasa.gov (Owen S. Nishioka)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Re: Wanted--Info:Optical Drives??
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:42:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Nasa-Ames Research Center

In article <BswJ3p.MK9@acsu.buffalo.edu> darweesh@acsu.buffalo.edu (michael j darweesh) writes:
>>As far as I know, no one makes such a drive. I believe that the spin
>>speeds and laser power/properties of CD-ROM and MO drives are very
>>different.  Some day, they could be integrated, but probably at great
>>expense.  Byt an 3.5" MO and a CD-ROM drive separately; it'll cost
>>less that a 5.25 MO, and the MO will run faster.
>
>As far as I know you are wrong. I would however point out that with the
>last year, MacUser did a feature article where they reveiwed several
>5.25 MO drives. Look for that mag in your library or wherever.
>The 3.5s sound neat, but a 5.25 that can also read CDROM would be my
>choice....

Which part is wrong?  The cost, or the existance of a drive that does
both MO and CD-ROM?  If you know of a drive that does both CD-ROM and
MO, tell me about it, I'd be interested to know more.  As for the
MacUser article, all I could find was the July 92 issue, but it didn't
seem to say anything about drives that could read both formats.

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From: macknik@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Elizabeth A. Macknik)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: System 6.0.6???
Date: 23 Aug 92 11:15:24 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii

In article <amfahr-190892203328@ditka.taligent.com> amfahr@taligent.com (Jeff Amfahr) writes:

>System 6.0.6 was actual the short-lived predecessor to 6.0.7. It only saw
>the light of day in Europe. It turns out that right before ship (and I mean
>RIGHT before ship) some fairly nasty bugs were found. They were fixed for
>the release in the U.S. (which was called 6.0.7), but there wasn't time to
>role all the new international versions. So outside of the U.S. people got
>6.0.6 with patch INIT (sort of like Tune-Up). And of course all this
>happened right as 7.0 was trying to go beta.
>
> Jeff Amfahr
>Taligent

Actually, some U.S. Mac LC's were shipped with System 6.0.6.  We received
a shipment of 16 machines--10 of which came with 6.0.6.  However, this was
a university purchase direct from Apple.  I do not know if dealers received
machines with System 6.0.6.  

To answer the original question, if your software says it requires 6.0.6 or
greater, the minimum you should use is System 6.0.7.

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From: minow@Apple.COM (Martin Minow)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: External Disk Case $109.
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:58:07 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

re: Hard drive cases:
>Saturae Corporation of Cambridge, MA has similar units for $95.  (40 W PS)
>1-800-373-3063
>         Respectfully submitted by David Wong <wong@athena.mit.edu>

The Saturae cases are all metal and, to judge from those I purchased,
quite well made. They do not have Underwriters (or similar) stickers
and I haven't determined whether they will work on 220 volt. The Saturae
folk are quite helpful, however.

If you order, be sure to tell them the brand of disk you intend to install
and ask how to install the SCSI pushbutton cabling. In my case, the SCSI
pushbutton cabling was not compatible with my drives, and I had to use
jumper blocks.

Martin Minow
minow@apple.com
The above does not represent the position of Apple Computer.
From: king@acpub.duke.edu (King Rhoton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: AppleCare Prices?
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:22:14 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


From king Fri Aug 21 12:22:11 1992
To: /afs/acpub/users5/king/.article

Funny you should ask....  Just got a sheet yesterday.
IIfx  p/n S0139LL/A   420.00
IIfx + HD80  p/n S0142LL/A   468.00
IIfx + HD160 p/n S0145LL/A   516.00

I believe that these prices are set by apple.  Monitors, video cards, keyboards
are extra, and priced by the piece.
King
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.periphs,comp.periphs.scsi
From: steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman)
Subject: OCEAN 256 MB optical: experiences?
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:52:21 GMT

Most 3 1/2" opticals conform to a standard that ends up supporting 128
MB of storage. Apparently, the OCEAN Microsystems Vista V256 can read
and write standard 128 MB disks, but can also read and write special
256 MB disks in a proprietary format.

1) does anyone have any experience with these drives?
2) are they likely to be incompatible with emerging 256 MB standards?
3) any other useful information?

Thanks! Email; I'll summarize.
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From: Ralph.Martin@cm.cf.ac.uk (Ralph Martin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Reading Sun Tapes?
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:58:31 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6B67A43C6012AC7@ralph.cm.cf.ac.uk>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 18 Aug 92 09:58:27 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d8

Does anyone out there know of any software which will allow 
Sun 150Mb tapes to be read on a suitable tape drive connected 
to a Mac?

Thanks. Ralph
From: daver@sunspot.ssl.berkeley.edu (David Ray)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: LCII and Multisync SVGA monitor
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:10:50 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunspot.ssl.berkeley.edu

Most multisync SVGA monitors will work, but not all.
The adapter has to be made specifically for the Macs -- it has to
have internal jumpers to tell the Mac what kind of monitor is connected.
The adapter I got came with a list of SVGA monitors known to work with
the adaptor.

-dave
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: PowerBook Address Bus/Data Bus? 32-bits?
From: ajkim@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Al The KeyMaster)
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:38:11 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

Hi Everybody....

This may be a "techie" question, and may not belong in this newsgroup, but I 
need some answers...I hope you won't mind...

The question I have is about the address and data buses on the PowerBook 
140/170.  For example, the SE/30 has a 32-bit address and data buses.
The LCII has a 32-bit address bus, but a 16-bit (speed draining) bus.
Also the Classic II is set up the same way...

Does the PowerBook Line have dual 32-bit busses like the SE/30,
or does it have the "hybrid" type like on the ClassicII and LCII?

Any inquiries can be sent to:

ajkim@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu

or you can just post an answer to this newsgroup...

Thanks!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: dgraham@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (David Graham)
Subject: Re: PB HD Warning
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:15:40 GMT

In <1992Aug13.073938.11782@athena.mit.edu> wong@athena.mit.edu (David C. Wong) writes:

>In article <1992Aug13.015723.8181@talon.ucs.orst.edu> hinr@hobo.ECE.ORST.EDU (Robert Hinz) writes:
>>In article <892@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> labccc@emory.edu (Chris Chung) writes:
>>>
>>>When carrying around your PB's, your should shut down, NOT sleep.
>>>The sleep mode doesn't park the R/W head of the HD.  You can risk
>>>crashing your HD and worse.... permanently damaging your HD.
>>>The sleep mode is cool in that if you need to leave and haven't
>>>finished what you're doing you can pick up where you stopped.
>>>Unfortunalely you kinka have to give that up to protect your HD.
>>>Apple shout make a sleep mode that parks the heads.
>>>
>>>Chris Chung
>>
>>This is not what I have heard from several sources. As I understand it
>>the PB _does_ park the HD heads when it sleeps. In addition Apple gives no
>>warning that I can find about transporting a sleeping PB. Where did you
>>get your information? Does anyone know for SURE? Where are you Blue Meanies
>>from Apple? Let's have th real scoop here!
>>
>>Rob Hinz

>Rob, Chris is correct in his original post.  The Macintosh User's Guide for
>  PowerBooks states several times that the PowerBook should be shut down 
>  if you plan to move it anywhere.  I take this as an indication that something
>  is liable to move -- in this case, the hard drive heads. 

Maybe everyone's right here. I read somewhere that while the sleep mode
*does* park the heads, the worry is that something (e.g. pressure on the
case) will depress a key sufficiently to wake the machine and cause the
disk to spin up, thereby creating genuine likelihood of real problems.
Many people do carry their PBs around in sleep mode--I've done it myself
while working in the library, for example, and once from home to work by
mistake (I thought it was shut down)--without any problems. But why take
a chance just to save a few seconds?

>--
>         Respectfully submitted by David Wong <wong@athena.mit.edu>
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