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From: jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall)
Subject: Re: The Miami ???? vs the Anaheim ?????
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics
Distribution: na 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:19:56 GMT

In article <2B2CF4D0.18946@news.service.uci.edu> assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site) writes:
>
>In article <Dec11.203916.75289@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> smith%sol.dnet@sirius.
>cira.colostate.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Dec11.170111.20032@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, cs902159@ariel.
>yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
>>>
>>>Anyone have any ideas for nicknames for the new teams?
>>
>>
>
>Some of the better names suggested (in an attempt to OBLITERATE the idea
>of the "Mighty Ducks" from Disney's mind!) written in the Orange County
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hey!  Now THAT might be somewhat amusing!  And while we're at it, is there
a Charlestown anywhere in the Northeast?  We could have the Charlestown
Chiefs!  And Syracuse could get an NHL team - the Bulldogs!  (Yeah, I know 
these two were modeled after the Johnstown (PA) Chiefs and the Syracuse
Blazers, but...)

>
>I still hope they can come up with something better . . .
>

Same here...how about the Miami Thunder?  :^) (Heck, we've got the Lightning)

>Kris
>kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu
>
>--

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From: ekaas@cs.sfu.ca (Erik Kaas)
Subject: NHL schedule constraints
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:16:00 GMT



I've come across an interesting 1987 article in the Montreal Gazette about 
Phil Scheuer, the NHL's director of administration, who's been doing the NHL's
schedule since 1977.   In devising each one, Scheuer listens to all the 
NHL general managers and tries to satisfy as many of their constraints as he 
can.  For the 1987-88 season, for example, Scheuer incorporated the following 
constraints, among others:

*   ``no team shall travel outside its own time zone on Boxing Day.''
*   ``Teams based in Western North America shall not end road trips in the 
      following cities: Boston, Hartford, Quebec, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, 
      Washington or Buffalo.''
*   ``The Montreal Canadiens and Pittsburgh Penguins [among others] ... like to
      play weak teams at home on Saturday, and strong teams during the week, to
      maximize attendance.''
*   ``The Washington Capitals and many other "small-market" clubs prefer to
      reserve weekend home dates for the league's best teams.''
*   ``The cost-conscious Boston Bruins like to pack as many away games as 
      possible into their longer road trips.''
*     Toronto and Montreal prefer to play home games on Saturdays, but whereas
      ``Toronto will charter home just to play Saturdays, [Montreal] ... won't
      come home from too far.''
*   ``The new Jersey Devils, as a condition of their move from Colorado in 
      1981, cannot be scheduled to play at home the same night either the
      New York Rangers or New York Islanders are at home.''

If you know of any other constraints like these, I'd be interested to hear 
about them!

Erik
From: assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site)
Subject: Re: The Anaheim Mice and the Miami vICE may be in!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:08:12 GMT
Distribution: na 

In article <1992Dec16.080806.60055@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mrn3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu
(MATTHEW R. NARBY) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.170112.21114@ferrari.nmc.ed.ray.com>, jzuena@ferrari.
nmc.ed.ray.com (John Zuena) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec11.014248.2116@dragon.acadiau.ca> 900073s@dragon.acadiau.
ca (Donald Smith) writes:
>>>golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>>
>>>>Rumours are flying in Toronto that the Disney Anaheim franchise and
>>>>the Blockbuster Video Miami franchise may be in the NHL as early
>>>>as next year, and if arrangements cannot be managed for next year
>>>>the year after that...
>>>
>>>
>>>  What a BLOW to hockey.  If I were from Hamilton, right now I'd be
>>>rioting in the streets...
>>>
>>>  Why give Miami a franchise, when we don't even know how Tampa is going
>>>to do as a business!!  Why put a Third team in the California Area, when
>>>the L.A. Arena is constantly half full. (Mind you the tickets are being
>>>sold, it's just no one is attending...)
>>>
>>>  Could it be that the NHL is simply waiting for the inevitable doom of
>>>Hartford before awarding Hamilton a franchise? (ie, simply move Hartford
>>>to Hamilton)...
>>>
>>>  Is the league hoping for a "big" Tampa-Miami rivaly?  A big San Jose
>>>Anahime rivaly??  Give me a Break....
>>
>>Do I have my geography wrong, or is Anaheim pretty close to Inglewood?
>>When I was in LA, the map had the Forum and the Big A labelled.  With all
>>the talk about Hamilton not getting a franchise because they were within
>>100 miles of the Sabers' arena, why no talk about a new team within 100
>>miles of the Kings' arena?  How far is it from one to the other anyway?
>>
>>- John Z.
>>
>The two arena's, well the two area's, are about 97 miles apart, hence the $25
>million paid to the Kings by Disney. This was reported in the weekend edition
>of -USA Today- on Friday, Dec. 11. -matt

Do you live in California?  It may be 97 miles ROUND TRIP to drive
between the two arenas but it is only about 45 miles one way.

Kris
kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu

GO KINGS!!

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From: Mustafa Saraj
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Field Hockey at USC- Campus.
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:26:30 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ca
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hello guys and gals,

We are trying to organise a team to play field hockey at
USC campus. Everybody who like to play are invited regardless
of gender,

We are supported by Shaheen hockey club, PSA-USC and ImRec at USC. 
We also have the hockey sticks. Only thing we need from you is your p
articipation.

If you are interested, cal me at 818 242 3273

or send email at moin@aludra.usc.edu.

Mustafa Saraj
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
From: blee@bcarh13d.bnr.ca (Brian Lee)
Subject: If we are taking a poll....
Reply-To: blee@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:38:36 GMT

Make that four people reading this !

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From: dcu@aifh.ed.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Oh Come on Richard...
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:03:04 GMT
Reply-To: dcu@aifh.ed.ac.uk ()
Organization: Dept AI, Edinburgh University, Scotland


...you know full well that there are three of us reading this :-)

D.

(soon to be Assist. manag. for Scotland Junior Mens Outdoor squad :-)
From: airdg@castle.ed.ac.uk (Richard Grey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Re: I AM A HALFBACK
Date: 18 Dec 92 10:55:56 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <16DEC92.20554570@vax.clarku.edu> mropp@vax.clarku.edu writes:

[stuff]

>how many of you are halfbacks, forwards, links, goalies, fullbacks,
>sweepers, etc.....  

[more stuff]	

	Probably all of us, since we read this newsgroup. Mind
	you all probably means the both of us !!

Richard.
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p.s. Garyth ? Are you in the UK now ? Can you read this ?
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From: bairstow@copland.psu.edu (Steven Bairstow)
Subject: Readers ...
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 04:56:18 GMT

In article <29723@castle.ed.ac.uk> airdg@castle.ed.ac.uk (Richard Grey) writes:
>
>	Probably all of us, since we read this newsgroup. Mind
>	you all probably means the both of us !!
>

Add one more, I read this group too.

			Steve
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From: mropp@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: I AM A HALFBACK
Organization: Clark University
Date: 16 DEC 92 20:55:45 GMT

hi guys.  this is laura.  How Y'all doing?  cool.  I am a halfback, right
side, doherty varsity team.  I think halfback is a great position!!
how many of you are halfbacks, forwards, links, goalies, fullbacks,
sweepers, etc.....  what kind of positioning do you play with?
our school plays with 4-2-3-1-1.  have you ever heard of schools that
play with 2-2-2-2-1??? insane!!!  well, hope to hear from y'all soon!!!
cya
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From: urajan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Uday Rajan)
Subject: Make it 5 now! Also, Indira Gandhi tournament postponed
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 03:46:00 GMT

The Indira Gandhi hockey tournament, due to start in India on Jan. 7, has
been postponed to Feb 17, because of the recent communal riots in several
parts of India. Also, Australia has pulled out of the tournament (citing
safety concerns), and will be replaced by Japan (hardly much of an 
international team, although the way India's been playing, I wouldn't be 
surprised if they beat us). The 6 teams taking part are: the Netherlands,
England, Russia, Spain, Japan, and India.

Uday

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From: khatri@seas.gwu.edu (Anil Khatri)
Subject: ADD ONE MORE!!!
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:57:51 GMT

Hi Guys,
        Its been ages since I have played Field Hockey.
I am also not a regular reader of this group but I do like to read
this group once in about three weeks.
I used to play for Delhi in India.This was around 82-83 (as a goalkeeper).
I was also selected for the Indian school boys camp but could not make
it to the final fifteen.
In Engineering there was no more serious hockey as priorities changed.
Anyway I would love to play hockey in U.S. but we don't have a team here
in our school. well i would try to read this group more often from now

bye,
ANIL KHATRI
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From: smithnd@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (N. D. Smith)
Subject: I make four
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:42:05 GMT


I make four people who read this group!!
I reckon that it's a pretty good group too 

oh yeah I'm a wing

Niall
From: shayne@cs.mcgill.ca (Lydia Mancini)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Babies on the Net?? (Re: Boston Massacre!!!!!!!!!!)
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:14:07 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <jggoslin.724276583@vela> jggoslin@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Whiplash Smile) writes:
>gen5061@husky1.stmarys.ca writes:
>>	There is only one thing sweeter then beating the Boston Bruins, to
>>a Canadiens fan, and that is slaughtering the Boston Bruins!  Well, I guess
>>winning the Stanley Cup has a nice appeal.  I hope other Montreal fans had
>>half as much satisfaction watching the Boston Massacre as I did.
>Well, now, I'd hardly call 5-1 a slaughter.  It was a sound beating,
>something that the bruins really shouldn't have let the Canadiens do
>to them, but 5-1 is not a slaughter.  Something like 10-1... now
>that's a slaughter.  
>
>	Even though I am humbled by what such a crappy team as
>Montreal (  :]  ) did to my Boston Bruins, I cannot accept the use of
>the term "slaughter" with regards to this.  Try something along the
>lines of "beat" or "defeated" or something like that.  Not something
>that would indicate that the Habs are unbeatable... which they aren't.
>
>	The Bruins will beat the Habs in the playoffs.  I gah-ron-tee
>it!!!

Since when is the net accessible to 2 year olds? 
If you can't talk intelligently, go back to your cradle and grow up. 
This applies to everyone, I hate this crap.

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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy)
Subject: Re: Anaheim and Miami. WHY?!!
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:51:37 GMT

green@ie.utoronto.ca (Marc Green) writes:

>farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) writes:

>>Because the "Mighty Ducks" (I cant stand that name) will not have Wayne
>>Gretzky. Period.

>In case you haven't noticed, that don't have Wayne Gretzky this year, and they
>still sell out every game. In any event, if they avergaed 100 a game it
>would still be a good move. 

Sure, wait a few years if Wayne doesn't come back.

>A good proportion of peiod reading r.s.h seem very slow, so we'll go through
>it one more time:

Thank you for educating us dumb folks who are too stupid to agree with you.

>The goal of the NHL owners is to make money. The way to make money is a
>national US TV contract. The way to get a TV contract is to market. Disney
>and Blockbluster are two media giants which provide virtually unlimited
>resources for marketing. Who cares if they don't draw. It's irrelevant.

WHo cares if they don't draw? Well, who's going to watch Miami if they
can't even attract fans in Southern Florida. If they know that Miami 
has no fan base, then ESPN or ABC or whomever will likely go to another
game between two teams who have fan support. So what if Blockbuster
or Disney can broadcast their teams over America if no one is going to
watch them? 

>The NHL is not a charity, so there is no reason to put a team in Hamilton,
>a small steel town with virtually no TV market of it's own. Hamilton
>does not "deserve" a an NHL team any more that it deserves the a
>McDonald's or an Eaton's. Hamilton would just end up being another small
>market, cash strapped team. And don't forget that hockey is a declining
>sport in Canada. Baseball has become far more popular and the number of
>kids playing hockey is steadily declining. Most interesting, a recent
>study found that the most popular athlete in Canada, among kids, is
>Michael Jordan! 

Why does Anaheim or Miami deserve it? Why did Ottawa get it? Why not
give it to Seattle? Seattle supports their junior team very well 
(unlike Anaheim or Miami, the Pacific NW has a history, however recent,
of supporting hockey) and has the whole Pacific Northwest market to
itself. It could develop a rivalry with SJ, LA and Vancouver without
cutting into the Kings market like Anaheim. You talk about marketing
and how attendance is irrelevant but how can the NHL market a team to
people who aren't already fans, if it shows teams drawing 5000 in a 
20,000 seat arena? If fans see an arena packed, then they might be
more likely to become converted.
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: More expansion news?
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:18:59 GMT

gerry@skatter.usask.ca writes:
>umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes:
>
>> Personally, I'd have to say that these two choices are suspect,
>> to say the least.
>
>I really can't see how these are suspect at all. Rather the Tampa and
>Ottawa franchises are suspect. Neither of those teams has the capital
>to sponsor a team through tough times. Both Disney and BB Video have
>enough money to buy three teams if they want.

As much as I'd like to see a team in Hamilton under the sponsorship of
Tim Horton Donuts, the success of the Miami and Anaheim franchises
with massive corporate backing and the failure of Tampa would
vindicate Tim Horton, Inc. and Compuware (whom I'd still love to see
buy up the Devils and make that franchise what it was meant to be).
Given the noises about the arena, etc. I do not even discount the
possibility of the Tampa Bay franchise being absorbed into BB Video's
Miami team by the time that the '94-95 season rolls around, i.e., they
get their team as a package.

>quite well what it will take to get fan support. Further there will
>probably be a big rivalry between these two California teams(at least
>eventually) which should keep interest around there peaked. No I can't
>see anything wrong with having another franchise in Anaheim especially
>with the monetary backing it will have.

Since hockey in California needs to be right before Gretzky leaves
(not much longer, I'm sad to say) and awaiting the development of
Pat Falloon, a third team to stir the pot is a no-lose proposition.

gld
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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy)
Subject: Re: Thanks for all the answers concerning Hamilton
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:56:36 GMT

psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Maisack) writes:

>...and for all who have not heard so far, it's
>in Ontario.

And I used to think it was in Canada. Thanks for clearing 
that up. [insert smiley face here]

BTW-We in Glens Falls, NY, would like to thank Hamilton for the
	use of their baseball team for this summer.
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From: jaz.johol@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Jaz Johol) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: MIAMI'S CHANCES (RE: THE
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:31:00 GMT
Reply-To: jaz.johol@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Jaz Johol) 
Distribution: world
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-> From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
-> Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
-> Subject: Miami's chances (Re: THE ANAHEIM MICE AND)
-> Message-ID: <1992Dec13.201643.22292@cs.ucf.edu>
-> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:16:43 GMT
->
-> jaz.johol@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Jaz Johol)  wrote:
-> [gobs of quoted text deleted]
-> >The Miami team
-> >in the early years will be terrible.  Terrible teams don't have good
-> >attendance records.  Consequently, the MIAMI team will FOLD or move
-> >to another city that will support NHL hockey.  The same will be true
-> >also for TAMPA BAY it will also fold or move.
->
-> Can you predict the weather too? Why will the Miami team be terrible?
-> I suppose you predicted that Tampa would be terrible too. You just
-> discredited yourself. How good the team is will depend on two things:
-> how smart the owners are by getting someone who can pick the proper
-> mix of players and how good a job the coach can do with the players
-> he has.
I did not discredit myself both Ottawa and Tampa are both poor teams.
In the expansion draft Ottawa took the long term approach which means
drafting younger players and taking its lumps for at least 5 years.
Tampa went for older players for short term gains but in the longer term
will suck donkeys.  Espo knows that if he can't get a winning team fast
the team will FOLD!!!

->                       -> As much as people hate Espo, he did a good
job getting Terry Crisp. -> Phil and his brother both played and know
what to look for. Asst. -> coach Wayne Cashman was also a good choice.
Given the players they -> chose, they have done one hell of job. Who
would have known? No one. -> Who knows how well Miami will do? No one.
So save your dumb -> predictions until they have a start somewhere near
what Ottawa had. -> It's ok for them, they're in hockey country. If I
wanted to bash -> cities the way you do, I guess I could say that the
Ottawa fans are -> stupid enough to follow any team. I don't intend
that, but that's how -> your comments come across (uniformed). ->
-> More blind bashing. I don't care where the teams are. I want to see
-> the league succeed and lots of hockey on TV. I think it's pretty
-> obvious that if Milwaukee and Hamilton want teams, they need to show
-> up with the money. Perhaps you need to bash the people who aren't
-> you the expert can watch. They take the money, first come first
-> serve. I'll accept the teams, no matter where they are.
->
-> Tom
                                                                                                
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From: terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Bettman named new NHL commissioner
Keywords: NHL, Bettman
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 23:53:06 GMT

Congratulations to Gary Bettman, new commissioner of the NHL.
Bettman, who is currently the general legal counsel for
the NBA, beat out Gil Stein, acting commissioner.

Hopefully, Bettman will bring with him some of the marketing
savvy that transformed the NBA from a struggling league
to the force it is today.

Also, Bettman has said that he is in favor of NHL participation
in the Olympics as he saw how well the NBA Dream Team went over.
Discussion of the Olympic issue has been tabled until January.

				terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Franchise value (was: why no hamilton?)
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:48:49 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel

J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Tim Irvin) writes:
>
>Maybe, maybe now.  But remember that Anaheim *still* only has to 
>pay $50M, and $25M of that will go to McNall.  The Disneyland Ducks
>should have had to pay $75M.

Has there been a sound rational reason for this yet?  I'd have thought
that Blockbuster would have had to pay indemnity to the Lightning, too.

>Maybe Eisner can pay that from the Disney coffers, but not many other
>franchises can.  I don't think many franchises are even *worth* 100
>million, except for established teams in "hockey country" with huge
>media markets.

The Islanders were asking for $90 Million, which includes a $16M/year
contract with SportsChannel New York.  I think that the final price
came out at $75 Million, to CableVision (SCNY's parent) VP Chuck
Dolan ... assuming that the deal went through.

gld
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