From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Re: Relevance of Satyagraha
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:00:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.172641.10750@ultb.isc.rit.edu> akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>In article <2B0044A5.19270@news.service.uci.edu>, sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy) writes:
>>
>>	Let me write my opinions on this and previous posting of yours. 
>>
>>(1). Constitution: 
>>
>>	Constitution is not something that was dropped from heaven. After all
>>	it was also written by a group of human beings few decades back.
>
>        I think I did not make myself clear enough when I talked about
>	burning the constitution. It is perfectly okay with me as an
>      	expression of opposition. I was talking about their hypocrisy.	  

	Agreed. 
>
>        My opinion is this: Why would we want to vote for somebody who
>	treats the constitution as a plaything for his politics to a 
>	position which is supposed to protect the constitution. Isn't 
>	like putting a cat to guard the milk? 
>       
	You have the right to vote whoever you want. Your analogy fits
	more to those who wrote and who have power to amend.

	The issue under debate is opposition to Hindi as the official
	langauge of India. You know how it got into the constitution.
	The constitution assembly voted equally for and against making
	Hindi official language. The chairman, President Rajendra
	Prasad, who had to break the tie, voted for, breaking  
	norm of voting for 'status quo'.

	Now you decide, who is the real cat in the issue.
 
>>(2). Thanithamil Nadu:
>>
>>	I honestly do not know who this intellectual Thamizharuvi Manian
>>	is. But as I know, DK asked Dravidanadu, not Thanithamilnadu, before 
>>	Independence and DMK dropped that idea in order to run for power. 
>
>	Thamizharuvi Manian is one of the Kamaraj Congress people who 
>	joined Janata when "Sthabana Congress" decided to join Congress-I.
>	One of the vehement opposers of Emergency. In his book "Thi.Mu.Ka-
>	Sila sandhehangal...." he just talks about facts about the history
>	of DMK and its various stands on every issue and the contradictions.
>	He never tried to judge anybody in this book -just facts- with 
>	references to their own Newspapers like Murasoli and the books
>	written by people like Mu. Ka, Annadurai and Nanjil Manoharan. 
>	An excellent book - I recommend it to everybody who is interested 
>	in politics - read it without prejudice.
>

	OK. CRL doesn't carry this book. If I get chance I will read.
	You ask everyone to read this book,  without prejudice. But
	I wonder, given the party affiliation of Thamizharuvi Manian,
	the author himself was unbiased. Did he write any book on
	the history of Congress party?.

	To come to the correct judgement, one needs to hear from the 
	other side too. I recommend to read the book:
	Dravida iyakka varalaaRu by Murasoli Maran. (I haven't read it
	myself, but read a good review by S.V.Rajadurai, who is not
	affiliated to any of these parties and has written few critical
	articles on Dravidain movements himself).

>
>         
>>(3) Sataygraha:
>>
>>	Why do we have a fourth largest army in the world (may be third now,
>>	thanks to the collapse of Soviet Union)?. Just to sing Bhajans:
>>	"Raghupathi Rahgava Rajaram". 
>>
>>	My honest and humble query to die-hard Satyagrahis Arun et. el.
>
>
>	Nehru thought so, until China taught us otherwise. The best way
>	to avoid a war to be prepared. Wearing a helmet does not mean you
>	intend to make an accident.

	OK. As long as we use it as helmet. But was it always used to protect
	Indian head?. Was itn't used as a sword by his daughter and grand
	son in foriegn soil?.
	
	Didn't this helmet indulge in similar crimes you listed that
	the 'terrorist' organisations are doing?.

>
>        You cannot preach anybody Ahimsa unless one has faith in it.

	You are going back on your earlier words. You are just repeating
	what Krishnaraj initially told, which you chose to refute.

 Let me jsut quote your and Krishanraj's words:

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	>Satyagraha is an  universal truth as long as opponent understands that.
	>Satyagraha won't work against everybody.
	>
	>raj

	IMO, Satyagraha will work at all times and with all people, but the
	time it takes and the price we ought to pay may vary.
	
 	- Arun.
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	This double standard is typical of 'non-violence' preaching Indian
	patriots.

>	Neither is my intension, It was just my opinion about the strength 
>	and validity of it.(You may want to read my post again.) It takes
>	a lot of courage, perseverance, and faith to follow it. Not 
>	everybody can do it. I don't think I can do it perfectly but I 
>	would honestly try to(It starts there).
>	
>	I did not write this to mean I support Indian Government in every
>        incident. What Srilanks has is its own problem and it should settle 
>        it the way it wants to. The only thing we should have done is to

	Then why do want to remind every other day they are terrorists?.
	Why don't you keep quite if it is irrelevant issue to you?.

>	make sure it does not turn into our problems.(Like terrorism in
>	our soil).
>	
	I don't know when you took this stand. But most of the Indians,
	realised the terrorist problem only when it came to Rajiv. Not
	when he and his mother harboured, trained, armed and financed these
	terrorists. And not when he lent Indian helmet to Sri Lanka.
	Do you have any anology on hand for this double standard of India?.
>
>	
>>M. Sundaramoorthy
>>sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
>>
>
>        Thanks for your time.
>
>        " Onrupattaal undu vaazhve, Nammil 
>          ottrumai neengin anaivarukkum thaazhve!"
>
>        ( United we stand, Divided we fall. )

	Bharathiyar has been smart not to mention the basis for this unity:
	Is is based on geopolitics or religion or language?. I know from
	from you postings your reason is geopolitics. Others, who argue
	on the basis of other reasons are as (in)correct as you are.

		
	" naadugaL 
	  piridhalum, iNaidhalum
	  kuRaindhapatcham
	  manidha iruppai
	  nilaippaduththuvadhaRkaagavE "

	                Va. I. Sa. Jayapalan.

	We have examples in recent history. 
>
>
>
>        - Arun.

M. Sundaramoorthy
sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu 

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