HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pdel@ADS.COM (Peter Delevoryas)
Subject:  at error: Can't open prototype file for queue
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mtn. View, CA (415)960-7300
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:53:04 GMT

 
bert# at 18:00
at: Can't open prototype file for queue: No such file or directory
 
 
What's it looking for?
 
pd


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 In real life: Peter Delevoryas
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: lee@ceg.uiuc.edu (Chris Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Re: Proposal: UNIX needs group-dependent umasks.
Keywords: Duff Beer
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:48:22 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

mosedale@genome.stanford.edu (Dan Mosedale) writes:

>I recently have had the following problem: 

>Generally, in your home directory, you will want to mask out group
>writes (eg have a umask of 022).  After all, you generally don't want
>other folks able to poke around in your personal stuff.

>However, when working as part of a group project, when you copy files
>around and create new files, you'd like them to remain group-writable
>(eg have a umask of 002).

>There ought to be a better way.  Has anyone added this idea to the
>Unix filesystem paradigm?  Thoughts?

Apollo's Domain/OS has some REAL nice features in this respect.
Sure, it isn't real UNIX (tho many die-hard apollo users will
say that from 10.x, it's just like real unix AND just as bad as 
real unix :-)).  2 of the ACL features I (used to) use the most
are the default ACL inheritance (every file created under a 
certain directory will have a certain permission associated with
it) and what you mention (being able to change the permission of
a particular file or directory so anyone I CHOOSE can access the
file).  UNIX does not have these features -- maybe later releases
of UNIX (or even OSF) will have this built into it.

-- 
Chris Lee
University of Illinois Urbana
lee@ceg.uiuc.edu
(217)244-2903
From: cad234@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("S.W.Donaldson")
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: read mac disks on a sun
Keywords: mac sun disk
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:12:01 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde


  Is there a utility out there that will read & write to a mac disk
in a sun work station??
  Any pointers.......
From: shea@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Gary Shea)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: NIS - Problems on what systems?
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:16:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Kansas Computer Science Dept

In article <947@wavefront.wti.com> kate@wavefront.wti.com (Kathy Samec) writes:
>What sorts of problems have any of you seen with a heterogeneous network
>and Different YP(NIS) servers? Is it really all it's hyped up to be?
>
>I should mention that the systems in question are SunOS 4.1.3, Irix 4.0.*
>and AIX 3.2

We use YP with the (roughly) current os versions on DEC 5000's, Iris4D's,
and NeXT's, and with outdated os on Sun 3-?0's and Iris beasts of various
vintages.  We have had a tolerable but hardly great experience with yp.
It does work, and hasn't caused any major disasters.  On the other hand
it often feels that any os-update now we're going to have to rethink
everything :)

Different vendors sometimes produce incompatible nis versions, as when
the Sparc SLC was released and couldn't talk to SGI's.  Different vendors
allow differing abilities to fine-tune what files are exported and the order
in which file/map is accessed -- DEC provides nice features in this dep't,
which mostly work, while SGI is awful -- once you turn on yp, the machine
will only look at the maps (for other than the group and passwd files), so
you have to yp export things like /etc/services which is tricky to make
complete enough so that it's a superset for EVERY machine on the network.

There are the semi-well-known security problems with yp, which
I don't understand at all :)  and the fact that yp servers tend to go
out of their minds every so often and start talking to other domains.
It has happened to us -- weird.  Where DID all those passwd changes go?
Noone knows... :)

We're trying to find some way out of yp.  We're looking at acmaint with
some lack of enthusiasm, Moira (from Athena) with even MORE trepidation
(it's just too big for us, plus requires a proprietary db package), and
a few others, none of which look particularly simple to make work in our
environment.  Maybe it's a hard problem :)

>-- 
>*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>Kathi Samec			- Everything is beautiful and
>Santa Barbara Studios		  Nothing hurt.
>kate@wti.com					-Stoney Stevenson

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Gary Shea (shea@cs.ukans.edu)
Dept of Computer Science
Lawrence, Kansas
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: rwein@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Robert A. Wein)
Subject: DosMerge by Locus
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:20:45 GMT

I have been trying to find any information about Locus Computing
and their 'DosMerge' program for unix platforms.  I assume that the
DosMerge is the means whereby dos disks and applications can be
executed on a unix system.

Any information would be appreciated...
-- 

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|V401A, Brock University, St. Catharines, Ont.  L2S 3A1  416/688-1786|
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: mitch@clsi.COM (Mitchell N. Perilstein)
Subject: Re: NIS - Problems on what systems?
Followup-To: comp.unix.misc
Organization: CAD Language Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:30:34

AIX 3.1 and SunOS 4.1: seem to work fine together using NIS.

3.2 and 4.1: don't.  A yppoll (AIX is the client, Sun is the server)
shows the right information, but ypbind can't hook up, so NIS won't
work.  NFS works fine, by the way, even in this case. Just use SMIT
instead of the stanza stuff.  It's a bit of typing, but it works.

Anybody see this?

Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
news.univie.ac.at!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!sdd.hp.com!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!jrpg8255
From: jrpg8255@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeremy Payne )
Subject: Re: embarrassing question about vi
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:59:58 GMT

devine@pvhep.pvamu.edu (WILLIAM CHARLES DEVINE, II) writes:

>Hi!

>   How can i have vi or sed go thorugh a file and replace every
>semicolon with a exclamation point?
>I can't seem to get it to work.


Try:

:%s/;/?/g



---------------------------
Jeremy Payne
UIUC Neuroscience program /
College of Medicine
jrpayne@uiuc.edu
(217)244-4478
---------------------------
From: bret@essex.ac.uk (Bret Giddings)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: woman (the program)
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:17:33 GMT
Reply-To: bret@essex.ac.uk

Does anyone out there remember a man(ual) replacement program called woman. I have
tried to locate it using archie with no success. If you know of a location for it
or could send me the sources I would be filled with deep and lasting happiness.

Bret

ps - what i'm really after is a manual page a sensible as that provided with SunOs,
I don't know if woman fits the bill, but I can't find anything else. In particular
I want a -t switch and the use of env vars TROFF and TCAT.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: cameron@cs.unsw.oz.au
Subject: Re: post script to text
To: sljn6@cc.usu.edu
Reply-To: cameron@cs.unsw.oz.au
Organization: CS&E Computing Facility, Uni Of NSW, Oz
Errors-To: cameron@cs.unsw.oz.au
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:28:43 GMT
Return-Receipt-To: cameron@cs.unsw.oz.au

| I wanted to know if there is any freely available
| software to change post script file to txtt

I append a quick hack I have used with some success. It produces rudamentry
text output amenable to further formatting.
	- Cameron Simpson
	  cameron@cse.unsw.edu.au, DoD#743
--
Theorectial Physicist,N.:A physicist whose existence is postulated, to make
the numbers balance but who is never actually observed in the laboratory.

#!/bin/sh
#
# Cut here and feed through /bin/sh to extract unps.
#

sed 's/^X//' > unps <<'EOF-//fuligin/1/cameron/bin/unps'
X#!/bin/sh
X#
X# Like strings(1) for PostScript.
X#	- Cameron Simpson, 21nov92
X#
X
Xsed -e '/([^()]*)/!d
X	s/[^()]*(//
X	s/)[^()]*(/\
X/g
X	s/)[^()]*$//
X	/^$/d' ${1+"$@"} | fmt
EOF-//fuligin/1/cameron/bin/unps

exit 0
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: pefv700@chpc.utexas.edu (Christopher Phillips)
Subject: intercepting system calls (again)
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 20:22:56 GMT

I would like to implement a function that given a
FORTRAN logical unit would return the UNIX file descriptor.
My idea is to have an intermediate open that saves the file descriptor
that the "real" open returns.  Then the user must call a function
that remembers the logical unit-file descriptor pair.

What I tried was to rename all the o's in /_*open_*/ patterns to p:
	% perl -pe 's/\b(_*)open(_*)\b/$1ppen$2/go;' /lib/libc.a >libmy.a

Then I added the following functions:
	c.c:
	1) int cgetfd(int *lu)	- called by getfd
	2) void storefd(int *lu) - "remembers" lu-fd pair
	3) int open(char *path, int flags, int mode)
		{ return fd = ppen(path, flags, mode); }
	f.f:
	4) integer function getfd(lu)
with
	% ar rv libmy.a c.o f.o
	% ranlib libmy.a

I tried a test file ugh.f:
	integer getfd
	open(4, file='/tmp/ugh', status='unknown')
	call storefd(4)
	print *, getfd(4)
	stop
	end

On an AIX 3.1 box...
	% xlf -o ugh ugh.o -L$HOME/lib -lds -lmy 
		# lib ds above does the lu-fd saving
	% ugh
	Could not load program ugh 
	Symbol ppen in /u/pefv700/lib/libmy.a is undefined
	Symbol ppen in ugh is undefined
	Error was: Exec format error
	
I didn't even get this far on SunOS 4.1.
Should this idea work?  Other ideas?

Chris
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold)
Subject: Signature in Mail - How?
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 14:17:38 GMT

I know I know - very beginner, very basic, RTFM, and all that.
Despite meny years with Unix I have never bothered much with
such niceties as auto .sig files, etc.  Until now.

How do I get mail to recognize (and auto append) my .signature
file?  I tried using set sign=.signature, but that didn't work.
Yes, I RTFM.

I know this must be so simple it's stupid - what did I miss?
(besides brains ;-)

Regards,
Thor
PS - please email replies, I never read this group (maybe that's my
solution!)
edmtl@alf.uib.no
-- 
--
Thor Legvold                 |    This is the strangest life
NorNeXT User Group leader    |    I've ever known...
University of Bergen         |         - Jim Morrison,
From: devine@pvhep.pvamu.edu (WILLIAM CHARLES DEVINE, II)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: embarrassing question about vi
Date: 26 Jan 1993 11:44 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pvhep.pvamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Hi!

   How can i have vi or sed go thorugh a file and replace every
semicolon with a exclamation point?
I can't seem to get it to work.

thanx
william c devine
From: gnaa38@udcf.gla.ac.uk (Paul Porcelli)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: PD Screen Savers wanted
Date: 22 Jan 1993 09:04:15 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Does anyone know of any ftp sites which have public domain screen savers fo running on a SPARCstation.
Thanks a lot,
Paul Porcelli

Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: gahooten@yamato.arc.nasa.gov (Greg Hooten -- RCS)
Subject: Printing problems on Stride 
Organization: NASA/Ames Research Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 20:28:29 GMT

Sorry about the duplication, but I missed the Subect line.



I have a friend who has a 600 Series UniStride Unix system running
Version 2.1 of the OS.  The OS is mostly System V Release 2, version
2, and has some BSD 4.3 extensions added in.  The company who makes 
this system is now defunct.  The machine has about 25 ports on the back,
similar to phone jacks which are for serial lines.  I have these lines
going out to an RS-232 connector, and into the printer or terminal.  

The problem I have is that for 5 years the system has printed, and now
it does not.  If I send data directly to a port, with a lighted display 
on the line, I see data going to the port, but the printer will not print.
If I send data (using cat ) to a terminal, then the data appears fine
with no problems, even ports the have been changed from printer ports to 
terminal ports with the inittab.  The system simply will not print.  I
thought it was a problem with the printer, but 3 printers do not print, and
all have printed in the past, and will print currently with PC's.  I tried
reloading the OS from an old backup that used to print, no luck.  I tried lp 
and lpr, but neither prints (as you would expect if you cannot send to the port).
I tried putting on a null modem cable, and several different cables.  The data always 
seems to get to the lighted connector (the last thing in the line before the
printers' port).  

I am lost, and don't even know where else to look.  Can anyone help me 
with this problem?

Greg Hooten
From: nosilla@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Lucky Knuckles)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Being nice(2)
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:25:33 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Dept. of CS Ball State University Muncie IN


Here is my situation:

I work on a AT&T SysVR3.2 (v2.11) machine everyday.  I am the system
mangler.

But, normally, I do not run as root (of course).  A number of my users use
up a LOT of CPU time.  I do not want to limit them, so I made this program:

main () 
{
nice(0);
setuid(getuid());
execl("/bin/csh","-csh",0);
}
(Please, no flames about programming style, or lack thereof)
And, this program runs setuid root.

So, when I run it, I am "niced" up, but I don't gain root privs.

Question:  Is this cumulative?  If I run this over and over,
will my "niceness" go up?  Or am I at max?  Or, am I fooling myself?

Reply via EMail, please:

nosilla@bsu-cs.bsu.edu

Thank you.
-- 
Andrew J. Templin, Confused Programmer, Ball State University
VAX: 00AJTEMPLIN@bsu-ucs.bsu.edu   ULTRIX: nosilla@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
"Ad Meorium Cthulhi Gloriam"            "Carpe Carp"
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.docs
From: jurista@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.jurista)
Subject: [NT]roff->PC Word processing converter?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:23:09 GMT

Greetings:

I'm posting this question for a friend of mine.  
He's inherited a lot of documentation written using 
troff formatting commands, and he'd like to convert it
to some DOS-based word-processing format
such as WordStar.  Does anyone know of any
tools which do this?  If so, where are they 
available?

Please respond via email to me, as I do not get onto
the net very often.  I will post a summary of 
responses when time permits.

Thanks in advance,

Jim Jurista
jurista@llssak.attmail.com
From: devine@pvhep.pvamu.edu (WILLIAM CHARLES DEVINE, II)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: answer to vi questoin
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:24:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: pvhep.pvamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hi, it's me again.

I've received overwhelming response regarding my post i posted this
morning.

It seems taht since i'm running is the the Cshell that i had
to just put a \in front of the ! to have in non-interpreted.

thanx to everybody!
From: shah@fnsony.fnal.gov (Hemant Shah)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: embarrassing question about vi
Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:14:35 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia, IL
Distribution: world
Reply-To: shah@fnsony.fnal.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnsony.fnal.gov

In article <26JAN199311442031@pvhep.pvamu.edu>, devine@pvhep.pvamu.edu (WILLIAM CHARLES DEVINE, II) writes:
|> Hi!
|> 
|>    How can i have vi or sed go thorugh a file and replace every
|> semicolon with a exclamation point?
|> I can't seem to get it to work.
|> 
|> thanx
|> william c devine 

Try the following, vi the file and type:

:%s/;/!/g


:-)
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From: alm@netcom.com (Andrew Moore)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: post script to text
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:39:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Jan27.003928.11177
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <1993Jan24.171940.63123@cc.usu.edu> sljn6@cc.usu.edu writes:
>
>
>
>
>I wanted to know if there is any freely available
>software to change post script file to txtt

Sort of.  There is a macro as part of the GNU Ghostscript package which
extract words (which can be reformatted).  It's the best I've seen.

Here is a shell script I use with Ghostscript (gs):

#! /bin/sh -
# 	ps2ascii - convert postscript text to readable ascii
#
# SYNTAX
# 	ps2ascii file.ps ...
# BUGS
#	postscript text generated by dvips causes problems
#
PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/gnu/bin
TMP=/tmp
trap 'rm -f $TMP/gs.$$; kill $$' 1 2 3
cat $* | 
gs -dNODISPLAY -q -dNOBIND -dWRITESYSTEMDICT gs_2asc.ps - quit.ps >$TMP/gs.$$
sed -n '/^S/s/^S[^(]*(\(.*\))[^)]*$/\1/p' <$TMP/gs.$$ | nroff 
---- End of Script ----

If you have lots of memory, the TMP file isn't necessary.  Hope this help!
-Andrew Moore <alm@netcom.com>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: ralf@iqsc.COM (Ralf)
Subject: Errors on DG Aviion with Mailx! Help!!
Organization: IQ Software Corp.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:36:29 GMT

  My problem is this: I have a Data General DGUX Aviion System 5.4.2.
I am running NIS, and I have /var/mail from my NIS server mounted on top
of my local/var/mail directory. Whenever I send or try to read mail I
get this error:

         UX:mailx: ERROR: Cannot set mandatory lock on '/var/mail/:saved
         /LCK..826': Permission denied

         UX:mailx: ERROR: Cannot set mandatory file lock on temp lockfile.

The permissions on all directories leading to and including the :saved 
directory are all 777. I can create files in there all day long, but
it errors on the mailer. Any help would be nice, I am stumped!
Ralf

-- 
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IQ Software Corporation       Internet: ralf@iqsc.COM
400 N Loop 1604 E, Suite 100
San Antonio, TX  78232        (210) 490 6684 X23 Fax: (210) 490-3590
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From: kate@wavefront.wti.com (Kathy Samec)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.questions
Subject: NIS - Problems on what systems?
Date: 20 Jan 93 19:14:33 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: Wavefront Technologies Inc, Santa Barbara, CA

What sorts of problems have any of you seen with a heterogeneous network
and Different YP(NIS) servers? Is it really all it's hyped up to be?

Thanks

I should mention that the systems in question are SunOS 4.1.3, Irix 4.0.*
and AIX 3.2


-- 
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Kathi Samec			- Everything is beautiful and
Santa Barbara Studios		  Nothing hurt.
kate@wti.com					-Stoney Stevenson
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: dejesus@archimedes.nwc.navy.mil (Francisco X DeJesus)
Subject: Re: NIS - Problems on what systems?
Organization: Science Applications International Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:54:47 GMT

In article <947@wavefront.wti.com> kate@wavefront.wti.com (Kathy Samec) writes:
>What sorts of problems have any of you seen with a heterogeneous network
>and Different YP(NIS) servers? Is it really all it's hyped up to be?
[...]
>I should mention that the systems in question are SunOS 4.1.3, Irix 4.0.*
>and AIX 3.2

One of the networks I administer consists of Suns, HPs, SGIs, a DEC, and
a NeXT, all in the same YP/NIS domain (with a Sun server). I've had no
problems whatsoever with setting them up or running them this way.

We also have an IBM AIX machine which I'd like to incorporate into this
domain... but the problem holding me there isn't YP/NIS, but the
NFS setup I'll have to do on it too (/etc/filesystems? stanzas? whose
bright idea was that!?). Setting it up as another YP/NIS client was
easy...

(BTW, all the OS numbers on the machines I speak of are the same as those
you are asking about)
-- 
      Francisco X DeJesus  ----- S A I C -----  dejesus@chinalake.navy.mil
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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 "Duck Season!" "Rabbit Season!" "...rabbit season." "It's Duck Season! SHOOT!"
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From: xdwj@uxa (Darrell Johns)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Where can I get the korn shell?
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:13:39 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.misc
Organization: Educational Computing Network
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

Where can I get the korn shell for a sun 670MP?

Thanks for your help,
Darrell.
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Applications Consultant |Route #54 & Stuenkel Road      |FAX:   708/ 534-2042
                        |University Park, IL 60466-0975 |BITNET: XDWJ@ECNUXA
      INTERNET:D-Johns@bgu.edu  -or-  djohns@heartland.bradley.edu
From: IO00933@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: read news tools for UNIX
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:28:07 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Hi,

I am looking for some Readnews tools for the UNIX platform. Is there
anything better than rn around?

Thanks

Mike Chen
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,biz.sco.general,comp.unix.sys5.r3
From: larry@trauma.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: PC Unix/Xenix vendors
Organization: Gator Communications - Feeds-R-Us 219-289-3745 
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:54:28 GMT

davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen) writes:

>  Agreed, Dell rel 2.2 has gcc 1.4, gcc 2.2 and cc, and there is no
>clear "best" in terms of performance of the generated code. Moreover,

The bottom line is with Dell it truely is plug and play.  You install
the OS, and the option packages.  You can start compiling using gcc
and configuring elm, cnews, nntp and X11R5 while the installation
tape continues to install the man pages and assorted other optional
packages.  With the majority of other products, one has to find the 
software, then compile and install it.  Sure, someone with the right
files and experience can do this in a couple of hours -- but others
might not have everything they need, nor access to the internet to get
it.  With Dell that isn't needed since it truely is plug and play.  

How many folks have we seen complained about having SCO and looking
for gcc or x11r5 since they don't want to be raked over the coals for
more products at SCO prices?  How many folks on the net have placed the same ads
who run dell?

Packaged pricing is the key.  Just because you buy a package which
includes everything doesn't mean you need to install or use everything.
But just in case, it's there for you -- when you add that extra hard
disk, extra memory, large video monitor or high res graphics card.

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.use.com
keeper of the Gator                                   uucp: uunet!gator!larry
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