HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: More help for the dummy...
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 15:49:19 GMT

In article <9209141303.AA02685@apple.com> FORDE@uv6.eglin.af.mil ("ERIC S FORD") writes:
>Ok, I need help again.  Will someone please tell me (as briefly as 
>possible) what to do with the '.tar' and '.shar' files?  Specifically, what 
>creates them, what extracts them, what is their advantage over Shrinkit 
>files and or Binscii files?

.tar (tape archive) and .shar (shell archive) are two different
UNIX-based archival formats.  To unpack the archives, use these
commands:

tar:  tar -xvf [filename]
shar: sh [filename]

  _/_   Scott Alfter                             Internet: sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu
 / v \  Call the Skunk Works BBS today!
(IIe (  (702) 894-9619 300-14400 V.32bis Apple II/IBM/Star Trek/Aerospace
 \_^_/  Ask me about SoftDAC--digital audio for your IIe/IIc! Apple II Forever!
From: bslog@pro-scat.cts.com (Bill Logsdon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: more about my proterm...
Date: 12 Sep 92 10:30:07 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ProLine [pro-scat] St. Petersburg, Florida.


Frank... I had the same problem... until I took my modem back and bought a
Practical Periphals 14.4.....  Insync does not currently have a
"handshaking" driver that will fully support the flow on/off signals from
the Zoom V32/V42.bis series modems.... and according to the guy I talked to
are not planning on doing one....

Course, I wasn't able to talk directly to Greg, the head programming
honcho..... who is up to his ears in development for the Mac  and PC
versions of PT....

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Subject: Re: Flopticals from AE
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 22:38:20 GMT

roland@pro-sweosd.cts.com (System Administrator) writes:

>Hello Todd

>This is from Sweden Roland at pro-sweosd. Can yoy tell me if you nows any
>Apple /// users out there?????

I don't, but I'm sure somebody here does. How about it, people??

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: Apple Stupidity (was Re: Where does ProDOS come from?)
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 00:46:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.212839.2990@pro-apa.cts.com> bkogawa@pro-apa.cts.com (Bryan Ogawa) writes:
>Well, I don't think that Andy N. killing disk archives is a good idea.
>1. Then, people can't pack DOS 3.3 disks.
>2. Then, people can't pack custom format 3.5" disks (like the FTA stuff).

I only asked that disk packing be blocked for ProDOS disks.  DOS 3.3
disks and the FTA stuff obviously are not on ProDOS disks.

>3. Besides, I think that Dave L. or someone from Apple, Inc. stated some
>reasons that they didn't want to use file archives for the files (this
>question came up before, I think).

Must've been some strange logic.

Fortunately, ProDOS 8 was uploaded (without the GS System 6 stuff) to
GEnie.  I grabbed it from there.  However, I no longer have a GEnie
account and wonder what I'll do when the next release of ProDOS 8
(assuming that there _is_ a next release) comes out.

  _/_   Scott Alfter                             Internet: sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu
 / v \  Call the Skunk Works BBS today!
(IIe (  (702) 894-9619 300-14400 V.32bis Apple II/IBM/Star Trek/Aerospace
 \_^_/  Ask me about SoftDAC--digital audio for your IIe/IIc! Apple II Forever!
From: trentc@pro-calgary.cts.com (Trent Corney)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Mounting ISO 9660 formatted discs
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:32:12 GMT

I have recently gotten the CD ROM drivers from Trantor which allows me to
use my Apple DMA SCSI card with my NEC drive. I can't mount an ISO 9660
formatted disc though. I keep getting the dialog "unknown file type" think
and asks to eject or initialize. Has anyone managed to mount such a disc? I
know that you can with a Ramfast card.
From: seah@ee.rochester.edu (David Seah)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: AOL gateway
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:45:21 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <fmlin.1ha6@terapin.com> fmlin@terapin.com (Frank M. Lin) writes:
>I have never gotten replies from anyone on AOL.  What is the problem?  I mean,
>does it cost money for people on AOL to send mail to internet?

No, there is no surcharge on email, though there is a storage limit.  I'm
not sure what happens if you exceed the storage limit...probably old mail
will get overwritten.  

As for why people don't respond, there may be problems with the gateway
itself at times.  If you don't hear back from the person, try again or
BCC to a friend on AOL that you can reach on the internet to verify that
the mail does get there.

>Also, is Dave Leffler ( author of the great ShowPic NDA ) still have an account
>on AOL?  If so, is it DAVE.L32?

AOL screen names only contain letters, numbers, and spaces.  The spaces
actually aren't required, and the names are case-insensitive.  I believe
Mr Leffler's AOL screen name is DaveL32 (no ".")...should be listed in his
documentation for "ShowMe!"
-- 
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                   | Apple II Art & Graphics Forum Consultant, America Online |

[Internet] seah@ee.rochester.edu, AFCDaveS@aol.com   [America Online] AFC DaveS
From: ltchean@rambutan.iss.nus.sg (lim thye chean)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Blue Helmet
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:52:21 GMT
Reply-To: ltchean@iss.nus.sg (lim thye chean)
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore

In article <1992Sep12.141536.8252@generic.uucp> marekp@generic.uucp (Marek Pawlowski) writes:
>
>>For anyone who hasn't yet downloaded Blue Helmet, do so at your own risk.
>>Just be aware that many people are reporting having problems with it.
>
>   MANY!?  I think that "all" would be more accurate.  It crashes on
>everybody I know.  Sure, run that "it's not done yet" at me again.  This
>should be EXPLICITLY written out for all the people to know that Blue
>Helmet is NOT complete, and WILL crash on you.

Not correct.

I am one of those running Blue Helmet on ROM 1 WITH 9MHz/32K Zip GS.

No problem at all.

Now anybody please upload other FTA games...

>
>Marek Pawlowski  -  marekp@terranet.cts.com marekp@generic.uucp
>A genuine inquisitive computer enthusiast.  Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
>OBJobOfferRequest: Sign me up on a programming contract!


-- 
    %% GS Lover Loves GS %%    Author of Super Magic 3 & Mandelbrot II GS
    %%  and Avatar too.  %%   
          Lim Thye Chean: Lim is my surname. My name is Thye Chean.
     My address: LTCHEAN@ISS.NUS.SG, or 9, College Green, Singapore 1129
From: mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Where does ProDOS come from?
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:07:33 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.apple2
Organization: Developer Technical Support, Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <lali4dINNol9@news.bbn.com>, hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu
(Paul Hagstrom) wrote:
> 
> Where can I get the most recent copy of ProDOS?  I have an Apple ][+
> Paul Hagstrom

If you have an Apple II+, you don't want the most recent ProDOS (2.0.1).
2.0 and later require a 65C02 microprocessor, and Appel reserves the right
in the future to make them actually require an enhanced IIe (and not just
the 65C02 as it does today).

You want ProDOS 8 1.9, which I don't think is on the FTP site.  I don't
know if ProDOS "passed you by" or not, but it has been available in a form
that always ran on a 64K Apple II+ from 1984 through earlier this year.

============================================================================
Matt Deatherage, Developer Support Center, Apple Computer, Inc.
Personal mail only -- please POST technical questions, questions about
Apple and its policies, where to find documents and related inquiries.
The opinions I express don't represent Apple, which makes us both happy.
============================================================================
From: spector@vax2.concordia.ca (Mitchell Spector)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: F-/InCider (Was Blue Helmet & TimeLord)
Date: 8 Sep 92 03:28:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Kenrick Mock writes:
>Well, IRSMan may rate A+/InCider pretty low for articles and what not,
>but I also have to give them an F- on subscription services.  After
>receiving an invoice for the magazine, I sent in my check for the next
>year.  I kept receiving notifications, so I wrote back asking what was
>wrong.  They replied that my check was never received, and requested a
>copy of the cancelled check.
[lines deleted]

  Funny, I had the same problem when subscribing to the magazine a year or two
ago. I sent InCider/A+ a money-order for my one year subscription, yet kept
receiving letters saying I had not paid and would have my subcription cancelled
if no payment followed. This went on for months, and on top of that, they
didn't even send me a full 12-issues! (Only receieved about 10! :-/   )
I didn't bother renewing for a second year after the quality of the magazine
went downhill!

>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>GEnie : K.MOCK                         Net : mock@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu
>"Don't worry about the world ending today, it's already tomorrow in
> Australia..."                                               - CMS

Mitchell Spector
spector@vax2.concordia.ca
From: 00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: ProDOS INIT for the Mac?
Date: 10 Sep 92 03:25:04 GMT

Hey, all...
I've been hearing quite a bit lately about a ProDOS init for the Mac.
Could someone tell me:

	#1: how to get it (and WHERE!)
	#2: what are the system requirements? (LC w/ //e card?)
	#3: why no-one made one sooner? 8^)

Bruce
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: fjs3367@ultb.isc.rit.edu (F.J. Schwalm)
Subject: Re: Apple Stupidity (was Re: Where does ProDOS come from?)
Originator: fjs3367@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:26:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.193723.9947@zip.eecs.umich.edu> grover@emunix.emich.edu (Grover Thomas) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.190124.2225@cci632.cci.com> fjs@cci632.cci.com (Francis Schwalm) writes:
>>Does anybody have ANY idea how a person who has an unexpanded model 3 apple
>>][c with two 5-1/4 disk drives can extract a single file from an 800K -disk-
>>archive?  If anybody out there ever figures out a way for me to do that,
>>tell me, because it's currently impossible.  How the hell does apple expect
>>me to do it?
>
>This may be a shot in the dark, but assuming you are using a server to
>post to the internet anyway, you should be able to use Sciibin and Nulib
>to extract the files on your site and then download JUST the ProDOS and
>BASIC files.

I've tried that.  All it told me was what I already said.  It's a -disk-
archive.  Contained in that rather large archive file is just one thing:
a disk image.  As such, I need to un-nulib it onto an 800K disk, or find a
unix based program that can read (and extract from) a unix file that
represents an 800K apple disk.  Anybody got any ideas for that one?

		Nutrocker --

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From: acct069@carroll1.cc.edu (Ron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: SSC - //e - High Speed Modem - ProTERM question
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:26:15 GMT
Reply-To: acct069@carroll1.cc.edu (Ron)
Organization: Lightning Systems, Inc.

I've been having a little bit of trouble with my set up, and am wondering
if anyone else is having the same problems.  I've been in contact with the
author of ProTERM v3.0 about this, and would like to comfirm that this
isn't just my problem before persuing it further.

I'm looking for people that are running a high speed modem ( >9600 ) and a
Super Serial Card with ProTERM v3.0.

What I'd like to know is if you are having trouble with Zmodem sends to a
remote system at a transfer rate faster than 9600 bps.  (Hardware flow
control is needed for this operation)

The problem I'm seeing is that I get errors in the transfer when the CTS
light flashes.

Greg Schaefer explains the problem as a 6551 problem.  He says that when
the CTS line goes low, the 6551 chip stops transmitting data, even if it's
in the middle of a character!

Anyone else having trouble?
-- 
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carroll1!acct069@uwm.edu | 14.4k HST/V.32bis       | Bill & Ted are cool!
From: st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Where to get ProDos
Date: 13 Sep 92 17:42:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Aegys5O00WB58G0cd2
Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I am helping out a school with a neglected //e.  They have some software
which requires Prodos to run.  I have read the FAQ, read InCider, looked
at various computer stores in Pittsburgh, PA, (where I live) and found
nothing.  This is, as I understand it, still an Apple product.

Where can it be found (preferably on single-density 5 1/4" disks)?

Any help is appreciated.

Steve Timm
From: pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Information about ][+
Date: 8 Sep 92 00:32:05 EDT
Distribution: usa,comp
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Sep7.150646.12074@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
hpoe@nyx.cs.du.edu (Howard Poe) writes: 
> In the school where I went to high school, I could never get ProDOS 1.1.1 to
> boot up on an Apple ][+.  We contacted Apple, and they said our controllers
> were too old in the ][+ and we needed a ROM upgrade.  Of course, they may also
> just have wanted a little Money to fix something else that we didn't know about.=)
> -Howard J. Poe
> P.S.  Sorry if I didn't know some stuff, it's been about 2 years since I actively used a ][.

A normal ][+ only has 48k - All ProDOS for 8 bit systems
require a minimum of 64K. A language card (16k) in slot 1 and
maybe some other fiddling are necessary to get ProDos on a +.

my $0.02,
Todd


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jmk3@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Jay Krell)
Subject: random numbers/time
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:38:53 GMT

:edit
>>1) Time.  How do you get the time in Apple IIe BASIC?  Is it returned
>> as a string or a number?
 
>>2) Random numbers.  How do you get a random number from 0 to n?
 
 
Applesoft BASIC cannot read the clock. It doesn't take much work to get
it from the toolbox, though.
 
random = int(rnd(1)*10)+1 will set random to an integer 1-10
 
rnd(n) returns a random num 0-1 if n=0 I think you get the same number
over and over, just use n=1. Multiply it by the number of numbers in
your range, take the integer, and add the first number in the range.
 
If you need exact code to get the time in an ASCII string or in hex,
email me and I'll dig up the info and write the code.
 
 
Jay (new here)
 
PS - Now I see you're using a //e. You can get the time from ProDOS but I
don't know how and don't have the info. The "toolbox" I refer to is on the IIGS.
:write

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:q
:quit
From: jimmys@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jimmy Shaw)
Subject: Sound Digitizer on the GS
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Reply-To: jimmys@ics.uci.edu (Jimmy Shaw)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 12 Sep 92 13:08:16 GMT

I currently have the stero output half of the SuperSonic card (by
MDIdeas, when the GS first came out), and would like to get my hands
on the digitizer part.

Question:  Is there anyone out there who would like to sell me one
			- or -
	   Is there a way I can get the schematics and/or diagram to
the board, so I build my own?  Provided it's legal to do that.

Hyperstudio GS comes with a "card-less" digitizer (or at least it
used to,) and can anyone provide me with a detail instruction on
how I can build my own?

Thanks in advance.

Jimmy



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Subject: Re: Apple Stupidity (was Re: Where does ProDOS come from?)
Reply-To: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 03:12:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.022025.12705@unlv.edu> sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott
Alfter) writes:

[stuff deleted...]

>(Suggestion to Andy Nicholas for the next version of ShrinkIt:  how
>about prohibiting the creation of disk archives of ProDOS disks?
>It'll prevent the terminal stupidity of some people who like to use
>disk archives for everything instead of file archives (which is what
>you should always use for ProDOS volumes).)

	Believe it or not, there are reasons why you would want to use
a disk archive as opposed to a file archive.  The first thing, which
isn't a big deal, are the "nodos" loaders...  another reason would be
that a disk packed by file can take a LONG time to unpack, as opposed
to packing the disk as a disk archive.

	But granted, file archives are much nicer because you can
unpack directly onto an HD or soemthing.

>  _/_   Scott Alfter                          Internet: sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu

Steven Chiang                  Order - DreamGrafix:  The ONLY 16/256/3200
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Looking for null-modem cable source
From: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:24:57 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <8rs-z=A@engin.umich.edu> dmag@engin.umich.edu (Daniel Demaggio ) writes:
> In article <BuHG9x.wB@CAM.ORG> vandry@CAM.ORG (Phillip Vandry) writes:
> ><1992Sep12.030234.14188@athena.mit.edu>
> >pbauer@athena.mit.edu (Paul H Bauer) writes:
> >>In article <1992Sep11.194829.5188@norfolk.vak12ed.edu>
> >fculpepp@norfolk.vak12ed.edu (Fred W. Culpepper) writes:
> >
> >both ends. Apple created those cables specifically for the reason that if
> >you have two DIN-8 ports, you don't have to bother with the hassle of
> >modem cables, printer cables, null modem cables, etc.. A cable is a cable
> >is a cable, and a cable can connect any device to any other device.
> >vandry@champlain.cam.org
> 
>   BZZZT.  Wrong.  There are two types of cables: Printer cables and Modem
> cables.  The only difference is that a Printer cable has lines 2 and 3
> switched.  A printer cable will work fine as a null-modem cable for
> connecting two computers.  A modem cable will work fine as a straight-thru
> cable (i.e. for printer switchboxes).  There is a difference.

If you are talking about a cable with a Mini-Din-8 connector at BOTH
ends, then there is only one type of cable.  A "Mac Plus to
ImageWriter II" cable will also connect two Macs, two IIgses, a IIgs
to a Mac, etc.

You only get different sorts of cables where one or both ends is a
DB-25 connector, since there are two standard DB-25 pinouts:

DCE (Data Communications Equipment), e.g. modems and some computers.
This has pin 2 for receive data and pin 3 for transmit.

or

DTE (Data Terminal Equipment), e.g. terminals, printers and some
computers.  This has pin 2 for transmit data and pin 3 for receive.

The input/output sense of the flow control lines are opposites for a
DTE and DCE as well.  A DTE outputs on pins 4 (RTS) and 20 (DTR) and
inputs on pins 5 (CTS), 6 (DSR) and 8 (DCD).  Pins 1 (frame ground) and
7 (signal ground) are common to both ends.


A 25-way straight through DB-25 to DB-25 cable will connect a DCE to a
DTE.  You need a "null modem" cable if you want to connect a DCE to a
DCE, or a DTE to a DTE.  This cable swaps signals pairs (such as Tx
Data and Rx Data) as necessary.

The Mini-Din-8 connector has the same pinout on all devices, so there
is only one type of cable.

If you have a Mini-Din-8 to DB-25 cable, there are two sorts, because
the DB-25 may need to plug into a DCE (e.g. modem) or DTE (e.g. printer).
-- 
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From: FORDE@UV6.EGLIN.AF.MIL ("ERIC S FORD")
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Accelerator performance
Date: 12 Sep 92 15:33:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

I recently spoke with Quality Computers re: ZipGS performance and cost.  
They now only carry the 8MHz board.  Their reason is that the 9MHz board 
still uses the 8MHz processor but incorporates a new crystal to allow 
pushing that processor to 9MHz -- they expect a resultant decrease in 
reliability.  Anyone out there care to comment?  I'm on the verge of 
plunking down the bucks for an accelerator and would appreciate any and all 
advice/reviews of performance, reliability, and limitations.

Eric S. Ford

Internet: forde@uvg.eglin.af.mil or forde@p6.ams.wpafb.af.mil
Genie: E.FORD6

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: meekins@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu (Tim Meekins)
Subject: Re: GS/OS System 5.0.4 vs System 6.0
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:44:36 GMT

In article <mattd-140992121232@city-lights.apple.com> mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage) writes:
>In article <uerics.716337389@mcl>, uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd)
>wrote:
>> 
>> I have a GS-RAM+ with 4Mb, and I get the "Finder needs at least xxxK to run"
>> message now and then.  I think it's just some bizarre quirk in the system
>> software. :)
>> 
>> - Eric S.
>
>I looked into this recently, and it appears the story is this:
>
>Finder tries to do these things:
>
>1.  Allocate its internal out-of-memory safety buffer
>2.  Start the Resource Manager
>3.  Open its own resource fork and read the entire map into memory
>4.  StartUpTools
>
>If _any_ of these fail, you get the "Finder needs xxxK" message.  That
>means if a program is failing to shut down a tool properly that Finder
>now needs where it didn't before (like TextEdit, perhaps), you might
>see this message.  I'm not 100% sure TLShutDown will avoid the problem
>of not shutting down RAM-based tools you started up.
>


Besides that, not having enough bank 0 memory will also generate out
of memory errors regardless of how much free ram you have. Be sure
you don't have too many inits/DAs/Finder Ext's, etc installed..
From: irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Tybalt FTP
Date: 8 Sep 92 02:22:53 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

Tybalt has moved to ccosun.caltech.edu.  Apprently your nonstandard ftp program
isn't letting you know that.  As for IRC access, santafe.santafe.edu is now
your best bet...its faster than bradenville by quite a large margin.

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