From: dlhpfm.uucp!dlh@abvax.icd.ab.com (daniel lance herrick)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: replies going to wrong address, vms list
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 22:30:40 EDT
Organization: dlh Performance Marketing

dlhpfm.uucp!dlh@abvax.icd.ab.com (daniel lance herrick) writes:

> I'm trying to create a mailing list using the Vandenberg Mail Server. 
> When mail comes to me on Waffle and I reply to it, the reply is
> addressed to the Received from header and not to the Reply-to: header.
> 
> One transaction from someone else followed the same path - a
> contribution intended for the list shows up addressed to the
> VMS-Daemon.  Is this a feature?

I hoped that would be enough and someone would tell me where I have
blown it, as Bill Fenner did last time, before I gathered the evidence
and laid it out with my cry for help.

I'm running waffle 1.65 and trying to start a mailing list using VMS
1.22. I'm having problems with the cc:mail user and the CompuServe
customers getting stuff to go to the right places, but this is not
about that. My account on my waffle system is one subscriber to the
list.  I kicked things off by mailing something into the list from that
account.  Then I tried to reply to the copy that came to me from the
list.  The reply showed up at the mail-server, not at the list name!

dlhpfm is not in the maps, yet.  I have exhibited a map on cle.config
for my neighbors to criticize and will be becoming properly addressable
soon, but that will take time to take effect.

The entire thing that came back to me is quoted below, marked off with
"!" in the left margin to make the new quote marks distinguishable from
all the earlier quoting.  My copy (the copy that came in the mail from
the list) of the original announcement follows that marked with "!!" in
the left margin (with most of my deathless prose excised).

The "> >" marks the things I quoted from the original announcement in
my reply to the original announcement, and the "!> " combination below
marks the body of the reply to the original announcement.

!From abvax!VMS-Daemon%dlhpfm.uucp  Tue Sep  8 00:52:56 1992 remote from dlhpfm
!Received: by dlhpfm.UUCP (1.65/waf)
!	via UUCP; Tue, 08 Sep 92 01:34:44 EDT
!	for dlh
!Received: by abvax.icd.ab.com (5.64/1.43) with UUCP
!	id AA18488; Tue, 8 Sep 92 00:39:13 -0400
!Received: by dlhpfm.UUCP (1.65/waf)
!	via UUCP; Tue, 08 Sep 92 00:30:36 EDT
!	for abvax!dlhpfm.uucp!dlh
!Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 23:36:12 GMT
!From: abvax!Mail-Server%dlhpfm.uucp
!To: dlhpfm.uucp!dlh
!Sender: abvax!VMS-Daemon%dlhpfm.uucp
!In-Reply-To: <VoFRqB1w165w@dlhpfm.UUCP>
!Subject: VMS Status
!Reply-To: abvax!VMS-Daemon%dlhpfm.uucp
!Message-Id: <19920907.233612.31.VMS-Daemon%dlhpfm.uucp@ab.com>
!X-Mailserver: V-MailServer 1.22
!
!Mail server request status.
!
!Text of message follows.
!
!> dlh writes:
!> > Please put some meaningless chatter on the list.  
!> And here is some from me done as a reply to the mail from the list.
!> If the list does not work for you, send mail to me at one or more of
!> the addresses below.
!> > dlhpfm.uucp!dlh@abvax.icd.ab.com or dlh%dlhpfm.uucp@abvax.icd.ab.com
!> > 
!> >            dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org or dlh%dlhpfm@NCoast.org
!> > 
!> >    iccgcc.decnet.ab.com!herrickd or herrickd@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
!

That was what VMS said about my reply.  The original announcement follows.

!! From VMS-Daemon%dlhpfm.uucp@ab.com Mon Sep 07 21:59:09 1992
!!Received: by dlhpfm.UUCP (1.65/waf)
!!	via UUCP; Mon, 07 Sep 92 22:00:28 EDT
!!	for dlh
!!Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 21:59:09 GMT
!!From: dlh
!!To: dlh@dlhpfm
!!Sender: Theonomy-L list <theonomy-L%dlhpfm.uucp@ab.com>
!!Subject:  administrivia for the theonomy list
!!Reply-To: Theonomy-L list <theonomy-L%dlhpfm.uucp@ab.com>
!!Message-ID: <19920907.215909.83.VMS-Daemon%dlhpfm.uucp@ab.com>
!!X-Mailserver: V-MailServer 1.22
!!
!!Please put some meaningless chatter on the list.  
!![...]
!!If it does not, send email to one or all of the addresses below telling
!!me that your message did not come back to you.  All of the addresses
!!currently on the list should see the mail back to them in about 2 to 6
!!hours after they send it.  (Almost all that delay is on my system -
!!dlhpfm.)
!!
!!dan
!!
!!
!!dlhpfm.uucp!dlh@abvax.icd.ab.com or dlh%dlhpfm.uucp@abvax.icd.ab.com
!!
!!           dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org or dlh%dlhpfm@NCoast.org
!!
!!   iccgcc.decnet.ab.com!herrickd or herrickd@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com

dan  of dlh Performance Marketing  POBox 1419  Mentor Ohio 44061
         NCoast.org!dlhpfm!dlh or ab.com!dlhpfm.uucp!dlh