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From: kevins@primitives.inslab.uky.edu (Kevin Solie)
Subject: Re: Inlines: Emergency techniques?
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:33:07 GMT
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In article <NIGEL.92Apr17002856@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov> nigel@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov  
writes:
> In article <1992Apr17.21114.17039@ms.uky.edu>  
kevins@primitives.inslab.uky.edu (Kevin Solie) writes:
> 
> >Ive been inlining for a while now and Ive found the break on these things
> >useless. Not sure what to do in a pinch. I've found that When going down  
hills
> >at a decent speed I can slow down by doing the old skiing trick side to  
side.
> 
> Arrrrrgh!
> 
> Kevin...before you go hurt yourself learn how to use the &^&*^ brake.
> It isn't useless and it could save you some road rash or from becoming
> road pizza.  


Well.

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From: adchen@light.Princeton.EDU (Anthony D. Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: buckles vs. laces - INLINE
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:55:50 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Apr16.211949.11344@timessqr.gc.cuny.edu> las@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr13.162121.27918@cs.cornell.edu>, lasala@cs.cornell.edu (Steve LaSala) writes:
>>individual fit, but take time to get on and off.  Buckles look like they
>>might be faster on/off for transportation-around-town purposes but I worry
>>that they might be too rigid (like an alpine ski boot) for good skating.
>
>Buckles are quite easy to handle and are quite comfortable You can usually
>adjust the degree of tightness, but the fit is not as adjustable as is the fit
>with laces. You might try a combination of the two.                       

There seems to be a slight misconception about all-buckle inlines.
Granted, they're inspired by ski boots and they look pretty darn similar.  
However, you'll note that inline shells are no where nearly as stiff as ski 
boots.  Even the SwitcHits, with the high and tight upper buckle is fairly 
flexible when you bend down.  The Aeroblades, Macroblades, Gretzky Wings, etc. 
all allow a fair amount of flex.

IMHO, all-buckle skates have just as good a fit as lace-only skates, if
not better.  As an Aeroblade-user I find it very easy to adjust the three 
buckles to varying tensions even while I'm rolling.  This allows me to have 
a snug fit early on in a skating session, and when my feet get sweaty, 
smelly, and a little cramped after 4 hours of skating 8-) I can loosen the 
bottom one or two buckles for a more relaxing fit.


-Tony Chen
 adchen@phoenix.princeton.edu
From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Goaltending (or is a toe loop on inlines called a mapes?)
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:38:50 GMT
Reply-To: aboulanger@bbn.com
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: Dale English@watson.ibm.com's message of 7 Apr 92 21:04:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr07.210432.17193@watson.ibm.com> Dale English@watson.ibm.com writes:

	I have also been developing a greater appreciation for figure skating
   since it appears they can skate better than I can (and I skate VERY well).
   Anyways, Scott Hamilton went over six types of jumps during the Olympics, and
   I can only remember Axel, Flip, Lutz, Salchow(sp?) and Toe Loop.  If
   someone would name the last, it would ease my mind.

There is the loop as well. It is not the the same as a toe loop.

Here is some stuff from a prior posting by Lisa Kenas:

  Newsgroups: rec.skate
  From: lkenas@potomac.ads.com (Lisa Kenas)
  Subject: Jumps, Rainbow Sports (WasFigure skates vs. Hockey skates?)
  Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Arlington, VA
  Date: Mon, 20 Jan 92 20:02:03 GMT

  A loop jump is executed by taking off and landing on the back outside edge
  of the same foot.  If you skate in the normal direction, the most typical
  entry is to execute a forward left outside three turn, and step back onto
  the right back outside edge.  Usually skaters step back onto a slightly bent
  right leg, and often times will leave their left foot trailing on the ice in
  front of them until just before take off.  You jump off of the right back
  outside edge, complete one full revolution, and then land backwards on a
  right back outside edge to finish the jump.

  A toe loop is like a loop jump in that it is started and finished on
  the right back outside edge;  the difference is that in a toe loop,
  the skater uses the left toepick to vault into the air and initiate 
  the jump.  The toe loop is usually entered either in the same way
  as described above for the loop jump (a LFO 3-turn, & stepping back
  onto a RBO edge before picking with the left foot), or alternately,
  by doing  a Right Forward Inside 3 turn (which finishes on the RBO edge).

  Note that there's another jump that is very similar to a toe loop, 
  called a toe walley.  The only difference between these two jumps is
  that in a toe loop, the skater is on a right back OUTSIDE edge before
  picking;  in a toe walley, the skater proceeds on a right back INSIDE
  edge before picking.


Since you have inlines, you might want to get together with *roller*
figure or freestyle skaters and learn from them as well as the ice
folk (and learn that the right term for toe loop is mapes :-))


Regards,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: bsvachak@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (barbara.svachak)
Subject: ICE:  Olympic/World Figure Skating Tour
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:57:08 GMT


I was able to catch the Olympic/World Figure Skating tour last night - a
GREAT show!  It's amazing how the skaters make it all seem so easy and
effortless.  I think just about all Olympic medalists were present with
the exception of Midori Ito and the Duchaneys (sp?).  Mark Mitchell, Chen Lu,
Tony Harding, Calla Urbanski and Rocky Marval, and Jill Trenary also
performed.

I really enjoyed seeing the performances live.  Has anyone seen the show yet?

Barbara Svachak
bsvachak@cbnewsb.cb.att.com
From: csampso@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Charles Sampson)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Inlines: Emergency techniques?
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:36:12 GMT
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER

In article <30263@cbmvax.commodore.com>, grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
Previous discussion deleted
|> 
|> I think there are two sides to this.  People appreciate hearing "skater on
|> left" type things, when they can hear them clearly and can understand what
|> is being said.  I've always found it extremely irritating when somebody
|> mumbles some pro-forma phrase that I can't make out and then acts like it
|> was supposed to mean something to me.


|> 
|> If you can get it out clearly, do it - but remember the goal is to inform
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

|> the person of something, not just go through the proper motions.
|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> The other notion has some merit also - you could just silently glide up to
|> the person, but a enough noise to alert the person to your presence is
|> another courtesy.
|> 
|> There are no firm rules, do what you can in the situation and remember it
|> is both for you own good and the image you want to present...
|> 
|> -- 
|> George Robbins - now working for,     uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
|> but no way officially representing:   domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
|> Commodore, Engineering Department     phone:  215-431-9349 (only by moonlite)


I agree with getting it out clearly.  I was learning to skate and three different 
people on bicycles came behind me (at different times) and all I heard was left
or right.  The first time I moved left because that's what I heard.  The next
thing I heard was squealing brakes and some guy cursing because I moved in his
path (natuarlly I told him to get the marbles out of his mouth so I could hear
him. Torqued him off :-) The second time I didn't move either way and the third
time I figured out what was going on.  SO, SPEAK CLEARLY.

Charlie Sampson                       csampso@nswc.navy.mil
Federal servant but not a slave to them.
From: "amaranti athenae" <amaranti.athenae@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: jumps
Date: 12 Apr 92 14:04:04 EST
Reply-To: "amaranti athenae" <amaranti.athenae@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Albert Boulanger wrote:

>Anyways, Scott Hamilton went over six types of jumps during the Olympics, and
>I can only remember Axel, Flip, Lutz, Salchow(sp?) and Toe Loop.  If someone
>would name the last, it would ease my mind.

Albert, I believe that the sixth type of jump was called the Edge, however the
more common name for it is the simple (Back) Loop (you described it in your
message earlier, I believe).  And yes, you did spell Salchow correctly. :-) I
hope that this puts your mind at ease <har>.

Vale! ... Darcy - Amaranti Athenae (416)231-9944 V.32bis/V.32/HST Toronto
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Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: zeke@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Solly Ezekiel)
Subject: Re: Petrenko as Pro
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:25:17 GMT

I agree- Madonna (oops, I mean Katarina) did a lot more slithering than
skating (I counted 1 jump and 1 spin).  No doubt every straight male in
the audience was watching with rapt attention, but Debi Thomas had it all
over Witt.  Like a skating buddy said to me this morning,

	Biiiirds dooo it...
	Beeees dooo it...
	Even sleeeazy East Germans dooo it...   :-)

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Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin)
Subject: Re: Ice skating rinks
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:29:02 GMT

In article <ABOULANG.92Apr11131625@pilsner.bbn.com> aboulanger@bbn.com writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.105457.12457@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> jll@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
>
>
>   Are there rinks that are open in the summer time?  More particularly, are
>   there any in or near Princeton, NJ?
> 
>This may seem a bit ironic, but I believe that there are more of a
>relative percent of ice rinks open in the South than up North. I grew
>up in the Miami Fl area and as I recall ALL the rinks in the area were
>open year round. I think this is due to two factors:
>
>  1) Ice skating is a cool thing to do on a hot day.
>
>  2) There is a less of a seasonal "prejudice" to skating in the South.

In Hawaii, our one and only ice skating rink is open year-round.  When I
visited Michigan a few years ago I was surprised to fine no ice skating rink
open (at least in the area where I lived) during the summer.

-- 
Antonio Querubin  
tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu / ah6bw@uhm.ampr.org / querubin@uhunix.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Subject: Re: Olympic demo sport
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 01:01:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.114030.3866@actrix.gen.nz> paul@actrix.gen.nz (Paul Gillingwater) writes:
>Do my eyes deceive, or is Roller Hockey one of the demonstration
>sports at the Summer Olympics in Spain?
>-- 
>Paul Gillingwater, paul@actrix.gen.nz

Your eyes are fine, Paul. I recall reading the same thing too. Since roller
hockey is one of the most popular sports in Spain, this should not be
surprising.
From: piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Nancy Piltch)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Ice skating rinks
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:25:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

> 
>Well, there's a surprisingly big head load just from the overhead

Um, try "heat load." Sorry.

Nancy Piltch            piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov
NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland Ohio 44135
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: adchen@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Anthony D. Chen)
Subject: Re: good price for "Classic"s?? [inline]
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:18:29 GMT

In article <ROSEN.92Apr16020011@radar.bu.edu> rosen@radar.bu.edu (David B. Rosen) writes:
>By the way, Consumer Reports (last Fall some time I believe) had a
>short article testing a few inline skates.  Wasn't very helpful for
>the better skates, but it might help you choose among the cheaper ones
>like this.  I think the U-W Classic was one of the skates reviewed,
>but I can't remember the results.

Allow me 8-)

All info is from the August 1991 issue of Consumer Reports.  (I wonder
when they'll rate inlines again?  There's about a billion new models out
now.)

-Tony Chen
 adchen@phoenix.princeton.edu


Ratings: 1 - 5 (5 is best)
                                          Rolling         Boot
Brand/model                         Price   ease  Wheel quality weight other
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rollerblade Lightning TRS           $240     5      5      5      2    BDEM
Rollerblade Macroblade 608          $265     5      4      4      2    CDEM
Bauer XS/5RC (a best buy)           $165     5      4      3      4    EO
Ultra-Wheels Classic (a best buy)   $139     5      4      3      4    N
Rollerblade Lightning 608           $215     5      4      3      2    EM
Rollerblade Zetra 303               $155     4      4      3      2    AHK
Rollberblade BladeRunner            $ 90     3      3      2      3    AFHKL
Variflex City Heat                  $ 59     2      4      1      4    GJKN
National On-Line Featherlite        $ 80     2      2      3      3    IKO

A - brakes on both skates
B - rachet-style buckles around boot cuff
C - adjustable straps/buckles make it easy to fit boot snugly
D - liner has "memory foam" to conform to foot
E - come with wrenches for wheels.
F - liner lacks thick padding
G - uncomfortable boots
H - wheels can't be set for "rocker"
I - wheels hard to adjust to straight position
J - brake can be set in 2 positions
K - lacks wheel hubs
L - smaller wheel: 64mm
M - mfr. clams fiberglass-reinforced frames may provide better durability.
N - 60 day warranty (Veriflex): 90-days (Ultra Wheels)
O - no warranty info
From: jaw35117@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Joel A. Walberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: alternative brakes [Re: Rollerblading]
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:40:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr17.194050.22573
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I am  a relatively new inline skater and find the heel brake entirely 
effective.  While I will admit it did take some practice at first, it
serves its purpose.  On the other hand, I have never been able to stop
with the toe stop provided on rental quad skates at rinks.  People
that don't know how to use the heel brake should get help before
attempting to use skates as a transportation method.
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: quinn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Michael J. Quinn)
Subject: inline speed skates 
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:29:37 GMT

I've been looking into purchasing speed skates switchable between
outdoor inline rollerskates and short-track ice indoor ice skates.
I stopped into High Peaks Cyclery as I'd read about them in a speed
skating publication.  They were very helpful.  The combination I was
most interested in learning if anyone has had experience using had Bont
boots and 5 80 mm wheels per skate.  The ice blade is an adjustable
offset short-track blade they I don't remember a whole lot about.  I'm
told the adjustable offset is a useful feature, especially for a novice.
I've used outdoor speedskates a little a few years ago but most of my
experience is with hockey skates and Rollerblades.  Since what they
wanted to sell me was $700 and because they didn't have my size in
stock, I haven't made any decision yet.  So if anyone can tell me about
any of their experience with these or other (preferably) switchable
speedskates, I would love to hear about it.  Also, is there a place
closer to Princeton, NJ where I could find these for sale?

Michael Quinn
quinn@phoenix.princeton.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Olympic demo sport
From: paul@actrix.gen.nz (Paul Gillingwater)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:40:30 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

Do my eyes deceive, or is Roller Hockey one of the demonstration
sports at the Summer Olympics in Spain?
-- 
Paul Gillingwater, paul@actrix.gen.nz
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: robishaw@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw x5960)
Subject: Re: Inlines: Emergency techniques?
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:36:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.153151.937@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>
>	"ON your LEFT" is a pretty standard biking phrase (meaning bike/passing
>               
>Brett
>

Is this really an emergency technique? [:)

I realize that I'm probably an old fart with too much patience for those who
are slower than myself, but I find that the following to be safe, effective,
and also promotes a good image for either cycling or skating.

1. Slow down to match speeds.

2. Voice a cheerful good-whatever as you pull alongside.

3. Engage in a few seconds of chit-chat.

4. Continue at previous speed.

There are only two occasions when I don't apply the above rule. During a race
or playing street hockey. [:)

Gary
-- 
Gary Robishaw                    "The only trouble with instant gratification
robishaw@uranus.lrmsc.loral.com           is that it takes so long!"
408/432-5960                                          Me
Usnail -- 3151 Zanker Rd. San Jose, Ca. 95134-1928
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons)
Subject: FAQ
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:46:56 GMT


If someone has the FAQ with suggestions for novices, would
you e-mail it to me?

Thanks, and sorry for wasting the bandwidth.

John

Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: iceskate@leland.Stanford.EDU ( Lin)
Subject: Re: Mikori Ito
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 04:03:09 GMT


Yes, it is a great shame that we may not have another chance to see Midori on
ice again.  I certainly shall miss her superb athletic abilities and her 
charming and innocent personality greatly.
By the way, I hope that I am doing this "editing" or "posting" correctly.  I
have just found out about rec.skate and the entire rn system a few days ago.
And I am just elated about a program like this for us ice skating fans.  As
you can tell from my email account name, I'm a great fan of this sport.  I just
have one question before I logoff my first posting -- does anyone know the 
title of the music which the Russian pair Artur Dimitriev and Natalia
Mishketuniok (I can't spell her last name) skated to during their original
program at the Olympics?  Please let me know.  Thanks a lot.
 	-- Alex Lin.
From: SASBEA@vm.sas.com
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Inline Magazine?
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:11:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: vm.92097.151137SASBEA
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

I recently saw someone refer to Inline Magazine.  If anyone has info
on subscriptions, please e-mail me the details.

Thanks.
Bonnie Allen
SASBEA@vm.sas.com
From: gwild@trillian.ae.utexas.edu (Gregory Wildgrube)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Rollerblade 10k times
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:30:36 GMT
Distribution: rec.skate
Organization: CFD Lab, Dept ASE-EM, University of Texas at Austin


I just participated in a 10k skate, and I was wondering about what
constitutes a good time for 10k.  There were some 17:30ish times from
the five wheelers, and from what I hear this is pretty good.  I do not
have the financial wherewithall to get into a good pair of five wheeled
skates; what I was wondering was what exactly is a "good" time on a
pair of four wheelers?  Does anybody know how much time you can shave
off if you switch over to five wheels?

-Greg.
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From: nqiy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: More novice(?) inline skate-questions
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:49:08 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Hi again--

  ...and thanks for the replies about in line skate suggestions. I picked up a
 pair of Lightning TRS skates and I love 'em! I'm really surprised how similar
 they
are to ice skates...the saleswoman remarked that I seemed to be at home when I
tried them on in the store. Anyways, I've been using them for a few days and a
whole host of new questions have popped up. I haven't seen the FAQ posting yet,
so if these questions are covered there, I apologize. If they aren't I'd like
to hear from people! Here goes:

    1) Maintenance: The rollerblade guide is pretty sketchy about this. They
say they sell replacement wheels and bearings, but when can you tell a
replacement is needed, short of skating along, feeling a jolt, and watching a
stray wheel bound past you as you do a wonderful crash-and-burn on the asphalt?
A more minor question: Is WD-40 ok on the bearings, or am I better off just
leaving it alone?

    2) Safety pads: I'm curious, how many people here actually don the
knee-elbow-wrist protection when they're skating? Weather here has finally made
a turn for the better and I've seen several skaters; none of them were wearing
protection. I wear all the gear except for a helmet, and I feel like a schmuck.
I'm still going to wear the stuff even if I do feel like an idiot--is that why
people skate "naked"--because they don't want to look wimpy?

    3) Mystery squeaks have started showing up every time I push off. I know
its coming from the pivot area--where the upper cuff rubs against the heel part
of the outer boot. Is that part of the break-in and the squeaks will disappear,
or is this another WD-40 case(yes, I'm addicted to the stuff)?

    4) Last question is to all alpine skier cross trainers: After only about
four hours of heavy use, I've noticed more wear on the heel-wheel than any of
the other three. When you skate down hill and mimic skier turns regularly, do
people notice the same kind of wear, or should you expect all four wheels to
wear down the same way before you rotate them?

Well that's it. If you managed to read this far without moving on to another
message, I'm grateful. This is all blabbering from a recent inline skate
convert. Thanks again!

-Brian Soriano
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