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From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Awful Angels : the anti-hit is gone
Date: 22 Nov 92 05:34:09 GMT
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Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <By3Fxy.GEu@acsu.buffalo.edu> v085f2wd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Theodore J Kury) writes:
>In article <1992Nov21.154635.6448@Princeton.EDU>, 
>      niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes...
>>Incidentally, the Angels last year managed something I've never seen before.  
>>They had no players, NONE, who slugged .400. 
 
>>Now, Gonzales has a good year, but when he's your only above average
>>offensive player...  And the worst part is, you look at their team and
>>don't even see any hope.  Who even has the *potential* to be above
>>average?  No one at c,1b,2b,ss, OR 3b. Chad Curtis, maybe.  Anyone else?

>I thought Tim Salmon and Damion Easley were supposed to be comers, although
>I admit I know nothing of their backgrounds. Are they older or something ?

Easley is a fantasy - he's put up superficially decent stats,
but at Edmonton, so deflating for park & league leaves him looking
pretty nothing.  I'd rather have Charlie Hayes.

Salmon is another story.  He was AAA player of the year, but with
a season way out of line with his history.  .347/.469/.672 is
good no matter where you do it...
However, he never before managed a BA, OBP or SLG anywhere near
these.  On (yet another) hand, he is just 24 & could be developing.

STATS projects him to .258/.340/.418, which is decent, but
a bit below average for a 1B.

No, I have to agree that the Angels look like about the worst
offensive team in MLB.  KC has Jefferies & Miller & Joyner, at
least.  There don't seem to be any total stinkeroos in the NL
(other than the expansion teams).  Giants have Clark, Cubs
have Ryno, Astros have Bagwell & Biggio & Finley, Dodgers have,
er, um, Karros & Butler & Straw.  Cards have Lankford, Gilkey
and Pena, Phillies are loaded.  OK, the Mets stink, but they
do have Bonilla.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Strat-O-Matic 4.0 computer game
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 06:46:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.164103.1@stsci.edu> sandoval@stsci.edu writes:
>  Pursue The Pennant just released a fix to v4.  They are now at v4.03.
>  But, I am currently playtesting Strat-O-Matic 4.0 and let me tell you,
>this game is something else!  I also own PTP and I really didn't care when
>I got the upgrade.  I haven't stopped playing my beta of SOM. 
>  Here's a list of the enhancements:
> 
>  The screen backdrop is now a 640X480X16 picture of every major league park.
>    So if the game you're playing is in Fenway, you can see the Big Green
>    Monster in left.
>  An Encyclopedia function to track players over consecutive seasons.

Do the players age, also?

>  A fringe player creation routine.
>  A schedule maker.

Earl Weaver had a schedule maker, but its algorithm made it all but
worthless -- what's the quality of it?

>  Enhanced out of town scoreboard.
>  Compter can control rosters (send players to minors).

Does this mean that there's a computer general manager?

>  A complete drafting module

What does "complete" include?  

>  As you can see, there has been a lot added to this game.  v4 will go through
>another test cycle, probably in Janurary and hopefully will be ready soon
>after (March).  
>  If anyone wants more info, I'd be glad to tell you what I know.  I do want to
>say that v4 of PTP compares quite nicely with v3 of SOM.  PTP should have v5
>ready by spring training too.

Way cool.  Feed us all the info you got.
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Bucs losses
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:41:20 GMT

In article <Mf2oF4q00WB5MfcF5d@andrew.cmu.edu> Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I figure Young will play third and Jay Bell will be traded leaving
>Garcia at short.  I think Jeff King will be at second with Lind going
>for whatever the Pirates can get and Mr.  First baseman will play first.
> The other possibility is that Mr.  First baseman could be Mr.  Right
>Fielder.  Either player will be part of the Jay Bell deal.  He is the
>only player with value that the Pirates can afford to trade.

This may indeed be what happens, but I have to say I don't really
understand it.  Jay Bell turns 27 next month, and is only a couple of years
older than Garcia.  He's younger than Jeff King.  He's still several years
away from free agency.  He's just now entering his prime years as a player.
Why would you want to trade this guy, in favor of keeping somebody like
Jeff King?  Trade Lind, or failing that, release him; I doubt he has a
guaranteed contract, so you're not having to eat his contract.  Put Garcia
at second, Bell at short, Young at third.  If you must play King, put him
at first, until something better comes along.  No, it's not an
exceptionally strong team for next year, but it has potential for the
future.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com




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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose)
Subject: Re: Alright, I don't understand.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 13:19:52 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Nov17.021411.18218@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>I thought the protected lists published by the Tribune, et al were
>supposed to be accurate.
>
>So why is Toronto protecting Carlos Delgado?  
>
>Are they dumb?  Do they know they don't have to?  Or was that just a
>rumor someone posted, which my warped brain twisted into the truth?
>
I am working under the assumption that the special decision that was handed
down from the commissioner's office (there _WAS_ a decision) allowing the
catcher to be kept off the protected list was obviously overturned.

Somewhere around here I have an article which reports that Delgado was mot
eligible for the draft, and reports it as fact (a whole article devoted to
the decision), but the past month, every projected list I've seen (and now
the "real" lists)has had Delgado protected.

Now, we know that Delgado was signed in 1989, and was born June 28, 1972.

The rules state that players who were signed in 1991 or 1992 are ineligible,
as well as players who were 18 or younger on June 5, 1990 and who signed in
1990.  The request was clearly made by the Blue Jays in the hopes that MLB
would also declare ineligible players who were signed in 1989 and were 17 or
younger on June 5, 1989.  Of course, if I'm reading this correctly, Delgado
is the only player to which this applies.  It is entirely possible that the
decision was reversed once MLB decided that there was no good reason a player 
with 4 seasons of minor league ball should be protected.  It is also entirely
possible that the question of whether or not Delgado needed to be protected
was a more important question when he had just been named Player of the Year.
Now, of course, he's old news...


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: Post-Draft Thoughts (was:Reaction to Rockies Draft)
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:53:59 GMT

In article <BxzqAn.45p@mach1.wlu.ca> brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca (breadner kenneth cecil joseph u) writes:
>(we're talking about the Marlins here, and how well they did in the draft)
>(....)

>>>2b	Bret Barberie

>>A steal!  Quality leadoff hitter, even if he only hits .230.  He even
>>has decent speed.

>It is, as they say, to laugh.
>Being a Blue Jays fan, I've always said the same about Devon White batting
>leadoff. But nobody ever listened to me. In fact, I'd get toasted
>regularly for it. Now, strangely enough, here's somebody saying that a
>quality leadoff hitter can hit .230.

>As it so happens, I agree. 

A quality leadoff hitter can bat anything they want.  But they have to
have a high OBP.  That implies *walking*, which implies *not* swinging
at every pitch, which implies *not* Devon White.

Bret Barberie walked as many times (47) in 285 ABs as Devon White did in
641!  Any comparison between the two is a joke.

1992 stats
---------
Barberie, in a *bad* year: 232/*354*/281
White, in an average year: 248/303/390.

-- 
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Clinton/Gore '92.  Don't stop thinking about tomorrow.
From: U13141@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Steve Howe
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:41:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92322.234140U13141
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago


 Will some one tell me how some allegedly reformed drug addict like Steve Howe
 constantly gets chance after chance to come back to the game? The guy is very
 talented but how many other people in sports got as many chances as Steve Howe
 did? If Steve Howe can get that many chances, then Pete Rose should be able to
 be elected to the Hall of Fame.
                                       Always in the game,
                                              Phil
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From: miles@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Miles Abernathy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Statistics Available?
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:39:25 GMT
Organization: University of Texas
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I have some primitive neural network software, and I would like to try it
out on predicting the scores of baseball games (or any other kind of
games, actually). I'm looking for some machine-readable statistics to
train the software with. I can't find any mention of this on the FAQ
list, so let me pose the question to greater netland...are such a
database available and ftp'able?
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
From: geddy@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Schaefer)
Subject: Re: TRIPLE PLAYS
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:37:02 GMT

In article <MDL.92Nov18172038@ak.cypress.com> mdl@cypress.com (Matt Landrum) writes:
>
>   At Stanford, we won 5 NCAA titles in 1991-92. 
>
>   Women's Hoops
>   Men's Tennis
>   Men's Swimming
>   Women's Swimming
>   Men's Gymnastics
>
>
>I think he meant "real sports" :-)
>--
>

Yeah, you're right.  Swimmers, tennis players, gymnasts -- they're not 
REAL athletes.  Not when you compare them to 300 lb. offensive tackles or
pitchers with pot-bellies...

sjs

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: Re: Lloyd Peever
Keywords: tiguzz
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:37:47 GMT

nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan) writes:

>In article <1992Nov17.135511.10260@nntpserver.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>>(David K. Magee) writes:
>>>
>>>J.J.  Did Peever go pro, or will he terrorize SEC teams all year again?
>>>
>>>David
>>
>>Last I heard from where I am:  he'll return.  'Course, the "last I
>>heard" was this summer, and "where I am" is Houston....not much Tiger
>>Baseball coverage over here.  >:(
>>
>>Nelson?

> Fortunately for the rest of the SEC ( :( for LSU ), Lloyd Peever was drafted 
>by the Colorado Rockies in the 4th round and spent the summer pitching for 
>their farm club in Oregon. Peever, who finished last year 14-0 with a 1.98 ERA,
>won National Player of the Year by Collegiate America and is one of nine 
>nominees for the Golden Spikes award.

>Nelson


Hmmmmm.   A BIG Whew from the rest of the SEC!

Usually, the Clairon Ledger gives LSU news, but I don't remember any news
about him since player of the year.

Oh well, Chamberlain & co are pumped, I'm sure!

David

-- 
               David K. Magee | "Mandrake! Get over here and feed me that  
         MIS Graduate Student |  belt boy.  The Redcoats are coming! "
 Mississippi State University |
          dkm2@ra.msstate.edu |   -  General Jack Ripper, Dr. Strangelove 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
From: nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan)
Subject: Re: Lloyd Peever
Keywords: tiguzz
Organization: ^$
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:22:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.135511.10260@nntpserver.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>(David K. Magee) writes:
>>
>>J.J.  Did Peever go pro, or will he terrorize SEC teams all year again?
>>
>>David
>
>Last I heard from where I am:  he'll return.  'Course, the "last I
>heard" was this summer, and "where I am" is Houston....not much Tiger
>Baseball coverage over here.  >:(
>
>Nelson?

 Fortunately for the rest of the SEC ( :( for LSU ), Lloyd Peever was drafted 
by the Colorado Rockies in the 4th round and spent the summer pitching for 
their farm club in Oregon. Peever, who finished last year 14-0 with a 1.98 ERA,
won National Player of the Year by Collegiate America and is one of nine 
nominees for the Golden Spikes award.

Nelson

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From: mdl@cypress.com (Matt Landrum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: TRIPLE PLAYS
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:21:54 GMT
	<1992Nov18.051728.22388@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Southeast Design Center

geddy@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Schaefer) writes:


   >Magee writes:
   >>
   >> Anyone else had 5 teams in the same year post season?
   >>
   >>David
   >

   You have the gall to boast of having 5 teams in the post-season?

   At Stanford, we won 5 NCAA titles in 1991-92. 

   Women's Hoops
   Men's Tennis
   Men's Swimming
   Women's Swimming
   Men's Gymnastics


I think he meant "real sports" :-)
--


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1 Research Blvd, Suite 200      | "There's a fine line between 
Starkville, MS  39759           |  stupid and clever" -- Spinal Tap
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: Lloyd Peever
Keywords: tiguzz
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:55:11 GMT
Organization: .

(David K. Magee) writes:
>
>J.J.  Did Peever go pro, or will he terrorize SEC teams all year again?
>
>David

Last I heard from where I am:  he'll return.  'Course, the "last I
heard" was this summer, and "where I am" is Houston....not much Tiger
Baseball coverage over here.  >:(

Nelson?

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From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Lloyd Peever
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:49:21 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University


J.J.  Did Peever go pro, or will he terrorize SEC teams all year again?

David

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               David K. Magee | "Mandrake! Get over here and feed me that  
         MIS Graduate Student |  belt boy.  The Redcoats are coming! "
 Mississippi State University |
          dkm2@ra.msstate.edu |   -  General Jack Ripper, Dr. Strangelove
From: Shawn.T.Burgess@dartmouth.edu (Shawn T. Burgess)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Keith Mitchell ???
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:58:32 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a6@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Nov19.212818.5210@samba.oit.unc.edu>
jmk.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Jim Kirkman) writes:

> >If this is true, then the Expansion teams are really bone-heads for passing
> >on Caraballo and Mitchell.
> >
> It's Cabrera, and its funny how little GM's know compared to experts on
> the net isn't it?
No, he does mean Caraballo.  Ramon Caraballo was the starting second
baseman at Richmond this year.  He was a pretty decent player.  I live
in Richmond so I've seen him play before.  I think he's got more
promise than Cabrera.

***shawn.burgess@dartmouth.edu***
Texas Rangers in 93!
(or 94 or 95 or 96, etc.)
My opinions in no way represent the views of Dartmouth College.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Expansion Draft Update -- Round 3 Coverage
From: jplee@zeus.calpoly.edu (Jason Lee)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:01:47 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

                          MLB Expansion Draft
                              Live Update
                           as of 5:00 pm PST
                           as of 8:00 pm EST

                                ROUND 1
    Colorado Rockies (1st pick)              Florida Marlins
 1) David Nied, RHP, Atlanta              1) Nigel Wilson, OF, Toronto
 2) Charlie Hayes, 3B, New York (A)       2) Jose Martinez, RHP, New York (N)
 3) Darren Holmes, RHP, Milwaukee         3) Bret Barberie, 2B, Montreal
 4) Jerald Clark, OF, San Diego           4) Trevor Hoffman, RHP, Cincinnati
 5) Kevin Reimer, OF, Texas               5) Pat Rapp, RHP, San Francisco
 6) Eric Young, 2B, Los Angeles           6) Greg Hibbard, LHP, Chicago (A)
 7) Jody Reed, 2B, Boston                 7) Chuck Carr, OF, St. Louis
 8) Scott Aldred, LHP, Detroit            8) Darrell Whitmore, OF, Cleveland
 9) Alex Cole, OF, Pittsburgh             9) Eric Helfand, C, Oakland
10) Joe Girardi, C, Chicago (N)          10) Bryan Harvey, RHP, California
11) Willie Blair, RHP, Houston           11) Jeff Conine, 1B, Kansas City
12) Jay Owens, C, Minnesota              12) Kip Yaughn, RHP, Baltimore
13) Andy Ashby, RHP, Philadelphia        13) Jesus Tavarez, OF, Seattle


                                ROUND 2
    Colorado Rockies                         Florida Marlins (1st pick) 
 1) Freddy Benavides, SS, Cincinnati      1) Carl Everett, OF, New York (A)
 2) Roberto Mejia, 2B, Los Angeles        2) David Weathers, RHP, Toronto
 3) Doug Bochtler, RHP, Montreal          3) John Johnstone, RHP, New York (N)
 4) Lance Painter, LHP, San Diego         4) Ramon D. Martinez, SS, Pittsburgh
 5) Butch Henry, LHP, Houston             5) Steve Decker, C, San Francisco
 6) Ryan Hawblitzel, RHP, Chicago (N)     6) Cris Carpenter, RHP, St. Louis
 7) Vinny Castilla, IF, Atlanta           7) Jack Armstrong, RHP, Cleveland
 8) Brett Merriman, RHP, California       8) Scott Chiamparino, RHP, Texas
 9) Jim Tatum, IF, Milwaukee              9) Tom Edens, RHP, Minnesota
10) Kevin Ritz, RHP, Detroit             10) Andres Berumen, RHP, Kansas City
11) Eric Wedge, C, Boston                11) Robert Person, RHP, Chicago (A)
12) Keith Shepherd, P, Philadelphia      12) Jim Corsi, RHP, Oakland 
13) Calvin Jones, RHP, Sea               13) Richie Lewis, RHP, Baltimore


                                ROUND 3
    Colorado Rockies                         Florida Marlins (1st pick) 
 1) Brad Ausmus, C, New York (A)          1) Danny Jackson, LHP, Pittsburgh
 2)                                       2) Rob Natal, C, Montreal
-- 
Continuing your live Expansion Draft Updates,
Jason Lee
jplee@poseidon.calpoly.edu
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From: mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones)
Subject: Re: Favorite Toy predictions
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:17:58 GMT
Reply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Corp. Kingston NY

In article <1992Nov14.221206.16249@cs.wayne.edu> dfl@math.wayne.edu (David Frohardt-Lane) writes:
>In article <1992Nov14.052538.23497@watson.ibm.com> mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov14.041535.42077@watson.ibm.com> mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com writes:
>>>Cecil Fielder     29  41    161   62   11    0
>>Got too late a start to put up an amazing total.
>I don't think Fielder has anywhere near a 62% chance of getting 400
>homers.  He'd have to hit about 30 homers a year for eight years.
>Although he certainly has a shot, I don't think it's going to happen.

I personally am dubious about Cecil making 400, but that's based on his
physical (lack of) condition limiting how long he can play. 
 
>>>Jose Canseco      28  34    235   97   11
>>>Mark McGwire      29  35    220   78    4
>>When's the last time two teammates reached 400? Jim Rice and Dwight Evans?
>>They didn't really start playing together. Maybe Aaron and Mathews?
>Except that they don't play together anymore.

Oh, OK. Picky, picky. They did break in pretty much together with the same
team and play at least a few years together, which is what I really meant.

   Mike Jones  |  AIX/ESA Development  |  mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com

How does a project get to be a year late? ... One day at a time.
	- Frederick Brooks, Jr., The Mythical Man Month
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:53:59 -0500 
From: Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Dave Hollins is a god

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 21-Nov-92 Dave Hollins is a
god by JOHN S. RANDOLPH@ns1.cc. 
> Nuff said?????????????
>  
> John "You can call me Mr. Baseball" Randolph

Is this Phillie fans come out of the closet time?  Dave Hollins is a
pretty good player.  He seems to have a bad platoon differential against
righties, but you can't really argue with his numbers.  The only NL
third baseman I would take over him is Sheffield - I am considering age
so rule out Pendleton who is not much better anyway.  I hope that I can
add Kevin Young to this list at this time next year.  To say the least
he is a major improvement over Charlie Hayes.
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