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From: stailey@bugs.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Re: THINGS...
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola LMPS Research, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:54:40 GMT

(Paul Parkhurst)  writes:

*   Does anyone know if the Hallmark "Galilleo 7" Christmas ornaments
*(you know, the one with Spock saying "Happy Holidays") has gone up in
*value yet? 

 Don't expect them to increase in value anytime soon. Apparently the
 production run on this was so great, most stores got stuck with 
 a lot of extras. Locally, they are selling for as little as $8.
 And to think I spent $24 on it <sigh>.

 --
 Michael                      
 stailey@comm.mot.com
From: randib@alcatraz.gvg.tek.com (Randi Briggs)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: 1991 Starship Enterprise Ornament
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:02:11 GMT
Reply-To: randib@alcatraz.gvg.tek.com (Randi Briggs)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

Hi I'm a newbe to the group and I wanted to let anyone who was
interested that I have access to sell some 1991 starship Enterprise
christmas ornaments. The current Hallmark greenbook value is
$200.00and that is the asking price. It's seems high until you
consider that the price will be even higher next christmas. They are
new and unopened. If anyone is interested respond to me directly and
I will get the information to you.
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Subject: Re: Lwaxana - Who plays her?
From: WEZAMG@DEVAX1 (George ZAMROZ)
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:00:24 +1000
Distribution: world
Organization: BHP Information Technology
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In <9212211822.AA24704@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> d_ellis@ricks.enet.dec.com writes:

> rkh@ucs.att.com (Bob Halloran) writes:
> 
> > It is a well-known piece of Trek trivia that Majel Barrett Roddenbury
> > is the one performer who has appeared in ALL of the Trek venues
> 
> What about Mark Lenard, whose role as Sarek spans TOS, TAS (voice in
> "Yesteryear"), the films and TNG?
> 
> P.S.  When Majel plays in DS9, this posting will be obsoleted.
> 
And don't forget, that Mark Lenard was the only actor to play a Vulcan, a
Romulan and a Klingon.

George Zamroz
From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ST:DS9 *Some SPOILERS* Bajorans=Jews/Cardassi
Date: 9 Jan 93 21:06:03 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <C0Knx5.6ru@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs) writes:
>Ummmm sorry I believe the Bajorans are the Palestinians and the evil
>Cardassians are the Israelies.  Freedom fighters whose homeland has been
>invaded, joined by common religion but very factional, Cardassians as 
>ancient civilization that has become brutal and twisted as of late.  Though
>I kind of like the fact that the Bajorans have 'won' their war.

"Ensign Ro" certainly supports this, but I don't think, after "Chain of
Command," that we can say Cardassians=Israelis.  The Cardassians are seen
to be even more brutal than the Romulans, and this would be like saying
the Israelis are even more brutal than the Soviet Communists, which 
is clearly untrue (mind you, I am no defender of Israeli policy towards
Palestine!)  Somebody pointed out that perhaps Bajorans (with the Kai)
are really Tibet (with the Dalai Lama), but the "refugee camp" metaphor
would go along with Palestinians or Kurds.
I think that what all this really amounts to is that the Star Trek writers
are finally trying to create their own unique political situation, as 
opposed to mimicing the Cold War as they did in TOS.

Chris
From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
Subject: Re: Live - long - and - prosper (?)
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:04:36 GMT

In article <C0EM7M.IBJ@wimsey.bc.ca> atekant@wimsey.bc.ca (Argun Tekant) writes:
>From: atekant@wimsey.bc.ca (Argun Tekant)
>Subject: Live - long - and - prosper (?)
>Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:21:21 GMT
>I've been having doubts on how this phrase should be interpreted.
>
>Is it:
>	(LIVE LONG) and (PROSPER)
I'd go for this... 

>or 
>	Live (LONG and PROSPER)
What does this mean anyway?

>
>What do you people thinks?
>
>Argun.
>


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From: kehandle@unix.amherst.edu (KEITH EDWARD HANDLEY)
Subject: Re: Can you name this book?
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:34:33 GMT

gary l. schroeder (schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov) wrote:
: Yep.  This book was called the "Spaceflight Chronology" and was authored
: in part by our good friend rick Sternbach, with some other guy who's
: name I can't remember. 
: 
: The book was somewhat interesting as I recall.  Lots of diagrams of
: starships that never actually appeared in TOS, but were referred to.
: STjunkies and fanatics who have a burning _lust_ for thorough fictitious
: histories of StarFleet will probably love it.  I know I enjoyed it when
: I was 13 or so.

It sounds like gary is about the same age as I.  I, too, enjoyed it, but
in a huge way.  I still have mine (not for sale) and it is very well-
read.  I probably read every word of that book about 5 times, the cool
parts a dozen or more.  Get it if you can find it.

Keith Handley   kehandley@amherst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: CXMP000 <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Re: Cardassia = Iraq
Organization: McGill University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:26:19 GMT

In article <C0I7Kt.Myo@csn.org> pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals) writes:
>
> the pararells to Iraq are so pointed as to                             be
>(almost) irrefutable: Here we have an aggressive military dictatorship who
>resenting the West is poised to forceably take a strategic piece of land
>(Kuwait) claiming it is their rightful (Babylonian) heritage.

>                           IN SUMMARY:
>
>        Cardassia                               Iraq
>        ---------                               -----
>
>Claims nearby Minos Korva                Claims nearby Kuwait
>Huge aggressive military                 Huge aggressive military
>Slightly behind the Fed. in Tech.        Slightly behind the West in Tech.
>Wants doomsday Metagenic weapon          Wants doomsday A-bomb weapon
>Uses torture as matter of course         Uses torture as matter of course
>Lays claim to ancient greatness          Lays claim to ancient greatness
Persecutes Bajorans                       Persecutes Kurds
Resents presence of Fed.                  Resents presence of UN

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From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: TOP 10 DS9 TITLES
Keywords: titles, humor
Date: 13 Jan 93 05:12:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <7338@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu>, wesc@cs.ucsb.edu ((Wesley J. Chun)) writes...
>Okay, okay.  There's been a lot of sabotage to the new
>show title recently, here is a:

You forgot

Deep Space Hawk -- Commander Sisko is changed into A Man Called Hawk, and
kicks the Cardassinsout of the sector.  Rap music is played everywhere.

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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Paramount Press Release - DS9 - #404: Past Prologue
Date: 9 Jan 93 06:18:06 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout


Past Prologue

Episode #404



                           _S_P_E_L_L_I_N_G_S

	Khon-Ma
	Bilitrium


				_C_A_S_T

	Commander Benjamin Sisko		Avery Brooks
	Odo					Rene Auberjonois
	Dr. Julian Bashir			Siddig El Fadil
	Lieutenant Jadzia Dax			Terry Farrell
	Chief Operations Officer Miles O'Brien	Colm Meany
	Quark					Armin Shimerman
	Major Kira Nerys			Nana Visitor

	Tahna					Jeffrey Nordling
	Garak					Andrew Robinson
	Lursa					Barbara March
	Gul Dunar				Vaughn Armstrong
	Admiral					Susan Bay
	B'Etor					Gwynyth Walsh
	

	Story by:				Kathryn Powers
	Teleplay by:				Peter Allan Fields
	Directed by:				Rick Kolbe



_P_R_O_G_R_A_M_ _H_I_G_H_L_I_G_H_T_S

	STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE: "Past Prologue" -- A reunion with a member
	of the Bajoran underground forces Kira to choose between her people
	and her duty as a Federation officer.


_A_D_V_E_R_T_I_S_I_N_G_ _C_O_P_Y

	A QUESTION OF LOYALTY!

	Will Kira defy Sisko in a daring plan to free her homeland?


_T_V_ _L_O_G_ _L_I_S_T_I_N_G_S

	Bajoran terrorist recruits Kira on STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE
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From: sdr57@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Technical Manual
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:58:46 GMT

In article <7uk0wB2w165w@berry.Cary.NC.US> pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
>d246@uni05.larc.nasa.gov (Braden Glen) writes:
>
>>   I have an orginal printing Star Trek Technical Manual. Does anyone know the
>> current value? I have a friend who wants to buy it off me, but I don't think
>> he given me a serious offer...
>
>Why does your friend want to buy yours, when he can go to any bookstore
>and buy an identical one, newly printed?
>
The original issue is not quite identical with the new ones.
The cover is very different.
From: tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:13:09 GMT
Subject: starfields
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc

I always find something interesting watching the old startreks...

In "by any other name", the last sequence showed the enterprise heading
toward a galaxy (andromeda, I think...maybe not)..any way, the shot 
was from the rear of the ship and there were not any stars in the background.

The ship had just made it through the great barrier at the edge of our 
galaxy and is on its way to the other galaxy.. 

Then it hit me!... after seeing countless episodes where the enterprise
was closing in on a planet or other ship, the starfield in the background
was indicating the enterprise AND the "stationary" planet or space station
were all still moving through space at warp speeds.. just a minor technical
detail... But, this time, they got it right... there are no stars in  
the cold void between the galaxies..  and I never noticed it before.


	     
Anyone have any more trivia examples of when they got it right?

thanks 

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From: drac@uumeme.chi.il.us (Bruce Maynard)
Subject: Re: Worf in ST6?
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 14:09:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.230619.12806@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Eileen.Heady@dartmouth.edu (Eileen Heady) writes:
>The Klingon who defends Kirk and McCoy in the Undiscovered Country
>looks like (I'm almost sure it was him)  Michael Dorn...is he supposed
>to be a relative of Worf's or did they just use Dorn for the part
>because it was easier to make him up?

The Klingon character portrayed in STVI was an ancestoer of Worf's... 
I think t'were s'posed to be his grandfather...
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 5 Jan 1993 03:57:52 CST
From: Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Worf in ST6?
 <alix.726033533@vincent2.iastate.edu> <C0Apu3.4H1@panix.com>
 <1993Jan5.020922.25191@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>

In article <1993Jan5.020922.25191@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>,
quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal) says:
>
>I distinctly remember being surprised that the credits failed to list
>Michael Dorn.  More minor characters did get a mention, but not Worf.
>Also not listed was Rene Auberjonois (Colonel West?  Tell me if I'm
>wrong there), but there would be just a little more reason for that one.

You probably aren't wrong but something to note is that Rene Auberjonois didn't
even appear in the theatrical release of ST6.  He was only in the home video
version.  The part where he comes in with the chart and when he is unmasked at
the end didn't make it to the theatrical release.  This, more than likely, is
the reason why he wasn't in the credits.

>The *opening* credits do list Michael Dorn, but not Auberjonois, or
>Dorn's character's name.
>
>Tim Pickett

Jason Kratz
From: mcelroy@bu.edu (Carl Mackin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: bad joke
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:20:45 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

UGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: DS9 Runabout model kit
Date: 7 Jan 93 09:20:31
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


A model kit of the Runabout from Deep Space Nine will be released in
August by AMT/ERTL (the same company who produces the other Trek kits).

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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 23:41:17 EST
From: <IK90103@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Episodes...in order?

I have a list of the episodes after redemption II but I don't know where they b
elong in cronological order.  Can anyone help?

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From: domnatr@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nathan Kane)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: What will they call the TNG movie?
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:05:19 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I think that STAR TREK VIII (or whatever number is appropriate)
should definitely be given the go.  That's what it is, after all;  and
if the old fogies from TOS wanted to do another one past VII, they would
have to transgress the linear order.  Heh heh.  

But then, of course, someone could come right back with,

"It is not linear."

___________________

Nathan Kane
domnatr@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

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From: stailey@ss16.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Re: Guinan and Picard
Organization: Motorola LMPS Research; Schaumburg, Il
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:06:49 GMT

 
|> They did, in the two-parter (I forget the title) that had the crew going
|> back to Mark Twain's time to find out what happened to Data's head in 
|> San Francisco.  That was the sum of the relationship - that Picard met
|> and saved Guinan at that time.

   I think what the person was refering to was their relationship in the
   more recent past... ie the 24th century.

   -- 
   Michael                      
   stailey@comm.mot.com
From: lfinkelstein@vax.clarku.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: RE: Ethics and Holodeck
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:12:09 GMT
Organization: Clark University

In a previous article, wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot) wrote:
> 
>	As everyone probably knows, the Holodeck replicates
>situations, persons, props etc... giving the person calling up or
>creating a program the ability to immerse oneself completely within a
>specified scene.  The persons replicated in the Holodeck are not real
>in any sense of the word, i.e. they are not "alive".  In effect, one
>could say that they are nothing more that three dimensional pictures
>that move around and have texture and density.
> 
>	When a person goes in the Holodeck to fulfil a fantasy such as
>I mentionned above, if we assume that the reason he or she does so is
>because the "real" person (the one outside the Holodeck) rejected the
>advances (i.e. did not consent), then if sexual activity does take
>place with a replica of the uninterested crewmember, I cannot help but
>feel that some sort of wrong has been committed against this person.
>In other words, if someone did not agree to have their image used in
>such a way, then if someone uses their image in the Holodeck they have
>been victimized.
> 
>	There are parallels in our society.  Models in pornographic
>magazines have to sign releases (ie consent) to have their pictures
>printed, same goes for actors in pornographic movies.  But that's not
>all.  Why do you think athletes get so much money to endorse sports
>products, cereals and soft drinks?  Because if a company used their
>image to promote their wares without their consent, they would be in
>trouble with the law.  I think there is a strong parallel between the
>two.

These "parallels" are not valid, unless the person was to sell the holodeck 
program.  There is a big difference between using something (like a picture) 
for private use, and for profit.  A much closer analagy would be if someone in 
our society took a picture of someone, without their knowledge, and kept it 
next to their bed.  While this may not be rude, I don't believe that it is 
rape in anyway whatsoever.  

> 
>	The issue here is not whether the replicated-image is real or
>not, it isn't.  It is not about sex being wrong, it isn't.  The real
>issue here is consent.  The way I think of it, I would not want
>someone using my image towards sexual gratification without my
>consent.  Not only would it be morally wrong but also quite
>embarassing if it ever came to light in public.  If consent was given
>then there would be no problem.

Is it morally wrong to fantasize about someone without their consent?  Most 
people do it without the persons knowledge.  What if you then take those 
fantasies and write them in your diary.  How about if you then put a picture 
of the person in the diary with them.  Are any of these things "wrong".  While 
the holodeck may seem more real than a diary, it is essentially the same thing 
(at least in this issue).

That is all.
				Loren Finkelstein
				LFINKELSTEIN@VAX.CLARKU.EDU
From: rose@sequent.com (Lori Rose Malczyk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Seeking Scotty's agent
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:22:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1993Jan12.192258.26969
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

I understand Mr. Doohan will be moving to the Seattle area in the near 
future and I would like to get in touch with his agent to see about the 
possibility of him appearing at a local event this summer.

My eternal gratitude for whomever can provide me with a number for his 
booking agent by the end of this week.
-- 
Lori (rose) Malczyk
rose@sequent.com
From: stephenw@iris.mincom.oz.au (Stephen Wales)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Saucer Seperation...How many times?
Date: 13 Jan 93 01:47:34 GMT
Reply-To: stephenw@iris.mincom.oz.au (Stephen Wales)
Organization: Mincom, Brisbane, Australia

In article <12JAN93.20002101@vax.clarku.edu> lfinkelstein@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>A friend recently complained that they never used the battle bridge, or
>saucer seperation other than in "Encounter at Farpoint".  I know that
>they did, on several occasions.  What I want to know is, does anyeon
>have a list of exactly how many times, and what episodes?

I have this feeling that it's been done only 3 times...

"Encounter at Farpoint" from first season
"The Arsenal of Freedom" from first season
"Best of Both Worlds II" from fourth season

Someone correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure somebody will if I'm wrong)

Regards,
Steve.
-- 
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| | | | | |   Software Support Specialist |
| | | | | |   Mincom USA, Inc.            | These opinions are mine - Mincom
|M|I|N|C|O|M  Denver, Colorado, U.S.A.    | wouldn't want them anyway :-)
From: A.M.T.Bell@daresbury.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: The New Voyages
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:20:59 GMT
Reply-To: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

I bought myself the Marshak/Culbreath edited anthology of fan stories just after
Xmas. Its *not bad*, the stories are a bit *fannish* in that they tend to be
stories heroworshipping Kirk, Spock etc; visit to a weird planet revisited :-) :-) :-)

Any ideas of when this anthology first came out? My edition was published by Titan
books in 1992 but its evident from the story introductions written by Shatner, 
Nimoy and co that they are somewhere between the end of TOS and the making of TMP.


tony bell                 ! keep on running   live long and prosper
serc daresbury laboratory ! "back off man, i'm a scientist"
atb@uk.ac.dl.gserv1       ! bill murray - ghostbusters
From: dranney@informix.com (David Ranney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: An appeal for a stardate
Date: 7 Jan 93 10:39:50 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
Originator: dranney@cheetah



Hi, 

I need to know a TOS stardate and the episode with which it is associated.

Any stardate will do as long as it was announced at the beginning of the
episode.  I also need the name of the episode on which it was announced.

Please email to:  uunet!infmx!dranney

I'm posting here because I need the information quickly and it isn't the old
FAQ about how to translate stardates.  I also can't download FAQ lists from
this site.

Thanks in advance for this information.  It'll be used as an unreasonably hard
Star Trek trivia question in an internal newletter.
From: lorim@informix.com (Lori Malczyk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Seeking Scotty's agent
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:27:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
Originator: lorim@godzilla

I understand Mr. Doohan will be moving to the Seattle area in the near
future and I would like to get in touch with his agent to see about the
possibility of him appearing at a local event this summer.

My eternal gratitude for whoever can provide me with a number for his
booking agent by the end of this week.

Lori Malczyk
lorim@informix.com
Portland, OR
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