HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: zlsiial@uts.mcc.ac.uk (A. V. Le Blanc)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: make and 97p2 (was Re: LILO and extended partitions)
Date: 28 Aug 92 06:19:05 GMT
Reply-To: LeBlanc@mcc.ac.uk (A. V. Le Blanc)
Organization: Computing Centre, University of Manchester

In article <1992Aug27.143355.27893@inmet.camb.inmet.com> newbie@dylan.camb.inmet.com (Chris Newbold) writes:
>On another note, I just read a post (sorry, can't remember the author) about
>problems with make and 0.97-pl2. I ran into this as well. mount seems to
>work, but make breaks every so often. Sometimes running make without any
>makefile to be found causes it to dump core. Odd.

As the original poster about make, let me say that a version of make
recompiled under 97-pl2 no longer shows this or any other problems
that I know of.  I've had a number of glitches that went away
after recompiling; therefore I suspect changes in libraries and/or
system calls.

     -- Owen
     LeBlanc@mcc.ac.uk
From: hughes@zeus.csee.usf.edu (Ken Hughes)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: LINUX vs 386 MACH from CMU
Date: 25 Aug 92 14:04:06 GMT
Reply-To: hughes@zeus.csee.usf.edu (Ken Hughes)
Organization: University of South Florida, Department of Computer Science and Engineering

In article <1992Aug13.213754.11916@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis) writes:
|> has anyone had any experience with this MACH  BSD version on UNIX???

I'm using Mach 2.6 on my 386/40 clone as a standalone system.  It's
got a 120Mb IDE drive and 8M 80ns memory.  The system is loaded with
X11R5 and LaTeX as well.

The pros are that it works.  The system seems fairly stable and with
the exception of a flakey floppy connector which will crashes the system
when it is accessed it runs most of the software I need and have tried
to compile.  LaTeX is not terribly slower than (maybe 30-40% slower)
than a SPARC but seems faster than a sun 3/280.

The cons are that without 8M you can't really use X11.  I've trimmed the
kernel down as much as possible but it still takes up 2.4M of memory and
when I only had 4M it would thrash almost constantly when moving between
windows.  This version of Mach doesn't support (or doesn't seem to support)
shared libraries which means that the binaries for most X11 clients are
at least 100M and most (like xterm or xv) are 400M-700M.  This also means
that it you have alot of binaries you will not have alot of free disk space
and vice versa.  At 120Mb I've only got about 15Mb left for my work.

And, of course, Mach isn't as easy to get as Linux (in terms of what you
have to sign, etc).

I'd love to use Linux since it seems to have everything I need (like shared
libraries), but this machine is up and running right now and with working 
on my dissertation a priority, if it ain't broke I ain't gonna fix it (yet).

-- 
	Ken Hughes 		|   "Which button do I press to turn
   (hughes@sol.csee.usf.edu)	|     it off?"  "Try the red one,  
FT-Ph D candidate, PT-ex-sysadm |     allright?"  "Which red button?"
University of South Florida	|          ....  _Heathers_ 
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jgifford@attmail.com
Subject: HELP, can't login as user....
Reply-To: jgifford@attmail.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:49:28 GMT

Well, I've tried everything, and I am at the end of my rope.

I CAN login as root, but not as anything else.  not even sync
login will work.

I took my computer to work to give some of my friends a taste of power, 
but I didn't want to leave the system as open as it was, so I changed
all the permissions to u+rw go-rwx  I then restored the rights on the 
/bin, /etc, /dev, /lib, /usr, and /tmp directories.  as near as I can
tell, everything is as it should be, but I can only login as root.
(YES, /lib/{shared lib's} ARE ugo+rx-w).

The error message I get is:
raskol login: sync
login:  no shell:  No such file or directory

could someone PLEASE rescue me from my stupidity?!??!??
If I can't get this working, does someone want a slightly used computer
system?  the owner is finally loseing ALL patience with computers.  it is a 
shame too, because computers are his/my life.  :(  :(  :( 

If someone would please reply to this address as soon as possible, I
would REALLY appreciate it.!!!

Thanks, 
Jim Gifford
jgifford@attmail.com
From: bjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William A Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: How to run a second modem on COM3, IRQ5
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:26:02 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

I just obatined a Gateway Telepath modem from a coworker who decided that he
didn't want it anymore.  So, now I have two high speed modems.  But, after
reading the documentation, I discovered that the Telepath can be configured
to use any of the 4 COM ports as IRQ5.  So, what I was hoping to do is
keep my current installation (Microsoft Mouse on COM1, IRQ4; modem on
COM2, IRQ3) and run the Gateway on COM3 (or COM4) using IRQ5.  Is this
possible?  If so, what changes (I'm sure there are some) would I need to
make to the kernel?  What else would I have to do to get this to happen?

Thanks,

Bill
From: hammond@kwhpc.caseng.com (Kevin W. Hammond)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Using shared libraries
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:20:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Aug29.222007.8004
Reply-To: hammond@kwhpc.caseng.com (Kevin W. Hammond)
Organization: The Internet

How can I determine if an executable is using shared libraries or not?

-kwh-
-- 
Kevin W. Hammond
hammond@kwhpc.caseng.com

  CASE Engineering * 575 W. Madison #1601 * Chicago, IL 60661 * (312)902-2161
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: nealstep@nexus.yorku.ca (Neal Stephenson)
Subject: TCP/IP works (yippee) but still some problems : -(
Originator: nealstep@nexus.yorku.ca
Keywords: TCP/IP, net, ethernet, telnet, ftp
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:10:59 GMT

Hi,
	I installed the tcp/ip package and it compiled without errors.
I then increased the number of pty's to 64 and mknod'ed all of them,
under the assumption that each telnet in used up one (is this right?).
I then rebooted.
	I can now ftp out of the system perfectly, it works great and
since that was the main use, I am very happy (congrats to all
concerned). :-) :-) :-)
	However, if I ftp in I hang. Also telnetting out connects to
the host and then locks up the keys at the password prompt. you can
however send a ctrl-d to end the login attempt (if it's a unix box) or
a ctrl-z for a vax, strange.
	for telnetting in the same kind of problems are encountered.
if you telnet in to an account that has no passwd (horrible securety,
i know) it works fine. but if you try one that has a password it locks
up on the password prompt.
	last few points. perhaps they are relevant. telneting out is
very stacatto get packets then nothing then packet. and after telneting
in when you log out it does not remove the name from the active users
list.
	If all of these questions have allready been answered, if
you could let me know where I can find the answers I'd appreciate it.

Hardware and software:
	486/50 16M ram 425M scsi drive 64M & 50M linux minix style
		partitions and an 8M swap partition.
	Cardianl ET4000 video card with 1M and Nec 5fg monitor
	ethernet is a WD8013 on irq 10 I/O 300 mem starting at cc000
		16K RAM.

	Thanks for reading this,
				Neal.	nealstep@nexus.yorku.ca
From: tdunbar@vttcf.cc.vt.edu (Thomas Dunbar)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Recommendations for a PC to support Linux and X386
Keywords: Linux, X386, munlin
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:07:42 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA


 >is anyone keeping track of which machines Linux/X386 is known to run on?
    i was for a while..wasnt enough demand/need to continue. hilites:
       avoid DTK motherboards, get ide hd or one of the supported scsi,
       et4000 based video for X (note the new X386 has a speedup mode 
       specifically for et4000 cards)
    get a boot and root floppy to try out the machine if u wish.
From: tlhilde@roby.ecn.purdue.edu (Troy Hildebrand)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux history...
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:13:54 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

d88-jwn@blofeld.nada.kth.se (Johan W}hlin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.210626.18151@klaava.Helsinki.FI> wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius) writes:
>> ...
>/Johan

Ok, while reading about different languages everybody speaks, i remembered a
question i have had for a *long* time:

Exactly how do you pronounce '}' as in Johan's last name?

--
tlhilde@en.ecn.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Subject: Re: linux 0.97 rootimage .1, some problems
Keywords: linux, mount, compress, 0.97.1
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 14:12:16 GMT

slix@svcs1.UUCP (Bill Miller) writes:

>Thirdly, it seems that when I (mistakenly :-) send the output of compress
>to stdout, from then on (in that particular virtual tty) the character set
>is *permanently* changed.  Instead of seeing normal characters when I
>type, or when the system types, I get all upper 128 PC ascii characters
>instead.  If I login to the other virtual tty's, their character display
>is unaffected.  The problem isn't solved by sync;logout and then a relogin
>either.  This seems really strange.

    That's because the Linux console supports being put into an alternate
character set mode, and the binary characters in your file are triggering
that.  When it happens to me, I type

                 echo "<^V><ESC>c"

where the two keys in brackets are keypresses, of course.  This sends the
VT100 reset sequence (escape + lowercase c) and gets things back in order.

--
    Tim Russell                 Omaha, NE              trussell@unomaha.edu
One of the richest men in the world made his billions selling a toy "operating
system" that is more accurately described as a glorified bootstrap loader.
                                                  -- Phil Karn
From: talley@ashleigh.Kodak.COM (Brian K. Talley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: DISASTER AT MIT!!!!!
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:59:39 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

In article <1992Sep3.185950.8587@athena.mit.edu> tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o) writes:
>
>   From: talley@ashleigh.Kodak.COM (Brian K. Talley)
>   Date: 3 Sep 92 13:35:03 GMT
>
>   >user should be able to recognize a file like groff.tar.Z as the GNU
>   >version of nroff.
>
>   That's easy.  It's things like 2.2.2dfix5.tar.Z or 2.2.2dg1.tar.Z
>   that aren't necessarily readily apparent even to those familiar with
>   Unix.
>
>You neglected to mention that those files were in in the
>/pub/linux/packages/GCC subdirectory..... that makes it a little bit
>more obvious what the files, are, no? 

[ ... text deleted ... ]

Yes, sorry for not mentioning that stuff is in the GCC directory.  Perhaps I
should have said I know what package they're part of, but I have no idea based
on the filenames what these files are with regard to the package they're
associated with.

All I meant was a slightly different directory naming scheme would perhaps
allow for a more comprehensive set of file names.  That is, if we had a GCC
directory and below that subdirectories referencing versions, then the 2.2.2d
part of the above mentioned file names would be moot.

>.... let me point out, that most of the people who have spent time
>working on Linux are doing so because it is fun.  Certainly, I am not

Linux is a blast!  I love it!

>getting paid for this.  Having people tell me in public that my FTP
>server is "A DISASTER" is not terribly conducive to making it fun for me
>to run TSX-11 as a Linux FTP server.  After all, I'd much rather be
>kernel hacking.  :-)

Understandable, and I apologize if I said anything that upset you.  Personally,
I can deal with the way tsx-11 is set up now.  I disagree with the person who
said it was a wreck, and I also disagree in part with the person who said the
site is fine, and Linux is inappropriate for beginners.

>So if something about Linux bothers you, I encourage you to think about
>(1) how much you've paid for Linux, and (2) exactly what you owe the
>other person and what the other person owes you.  If you wish to make
>friends and influence people, you would probably do well to think twice
>before saying or writing something inflamtory or insulting to them,
>especially in a public forum.  Speaking for myself, I certainly don't
>mind _polite_ suggestions sent to me privately, or even not-so-polite
>suggestions sent via private email (although those I may still delete
>before reading).

Maybe I was in a deep fog when I posted my letter, but I was not intending to
flame anyone.  I find tsx-11 to be great the way it is.  For those beginning
with Linux and/or Unix in general, organizing it differently may help them out.
If you disagree, that's fine.

[ ... text deleted ... ]
>
>						- Ted


--Brian
__________
Brian Talley, Systems Consultant, Eastman Kodak Research Labs, Rochester, NY
talley@acadia.kodak.com
From: james@netcom.com (James L. Paul)
Subject: Dialups: Locking DTE speed and Carrier Loss ???
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 03:54:07 GMT
Organization: Netcom

I'm using 0.97.1 and GCC 2.2.2 with uugetty from the getty_ps package.

Is there a standard modem command (AT set) to lock the serial speed to
one value independent of modem speed. I can't find one for any of my
modems (so they obviously might not support it) but I'd like to know
what the command is, so that I can try it.


Now on to more Linux-specific... With the original getty (from the root
image) a carrier loss situation gets handled properly. I.E., the processes
get killed and getty is respawned. This getty does not handle multiple
connect speeds as well, and does not have a uugetty option, so I'm no
longer using it, in favor of uugetty as I said above. BUT...

Now when carrier is lost without logging out, the processes no longer
get killed. Yes, I have the -HUPCL in all the /etc/gettydefs entries.
Yes, the DCD line follows modem carrier detect. No, things aren't
working right, and if somebody forgets to log off or loses carrier,
that tty can't be used until I manually kill the process, at which
point uugetty is properly respawn.

I can't find any clue in the man pages, and hope desperately that
some kind soul can help out! Thanks in advance!

-- 
James L. Paul

Internet:    netcom!james@apple.com | AppleLink: D1231 | CompuServe: 72767,3436
UUCP:   {apple,amdahl}!netcom!james | GEnie:    J.PAUL | Voice:    607 776-3070
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: stewart@wimsey.bc.ca (Jim Stewart)
Subject: Re: VM386?  Possible?
Organization: Wimsey 
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 06:29:59 GMT
Keywords: windows,386,vm

In article <1992Sep01.224938.19323@bnr.ca> minyard@bnr.ca writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.212303.2509@athena.mit.edu>, tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o) writes:
>|>    From: lm@slovax.Eng.Sun.COM (Larry McVoy)
>|>    Date: 1 Sep 1992 17:08:52 GMT
>|>    Reply-To: lm@sun.UUCP (Larry McVoy)
>|> 
>|>    Forgive my ignorance, but is it possible to run a 386 program on a
>|>    virtual 386 on a real 386?  The reason I ask is this: aren't a lot 
>|>    of dos programs running in 386 mode?  So even if you got VM86 working
>|>    and got a dos emulator running, wouldn't things like windows apps
>|>    not run at all?  Or is everything still running as an 8086?
>|> 
>.
>.
>.
>|> 

 [good stuff about V86 mode deleted...]

>|> But for the majority of the PC *applications*, this shouldn't be a
>|> concern; they tend to be written using only 8086 code.
>|> 
>|>                                              - Ted
>
>Well, the majority of the applications my wife uses are ms-windows.  She
>sure hates having to reboot the machine to go between linux and windows.

... this is your chance to talk yout wife into a new computer ... it worked
... for me ... :-) 
>
>It should be technically feasible to have a "windows" emulator under
>linux (using X for its display!).  The screen stuff shouldn't be too
>difficult, just tedious.  The hard stuff would be memory handling and
>running things in 286 protected mode.

... I think the >600 entry point API might present an interesting problem as 
... well

>
>If anyone wants to do this, I will volunteer as a beta tester!
>
[.sig deleted]

js
From: hlu@poly2.eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Minicom and X?
Keywords: Minicom X Arrowkeys
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:05:19 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

In article <whitney2.715389864@husc10>, whitney2@husc10.harvard.edu (Wayne Whitney) writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> I'm somewhat new to X, having run Linux a while without it, and I
|> noticed a small discrepancy between Minicom's behavior running in an
|> xterm and running not under X: mimciom doesn't recognize the arrow
|> keys while running under an xterm (this makes it difficult to navigate
|> the menus, as well as send the arrow keys to a remote host).  Just
|> using the arrow keys at the command line bash prompt of an xterm works
|> OK, though.  Does anyone know how to change this behaviour?  Thanks.
|> 
|> Wayne Whitney
|> whitney2@husc.harvard.edu
|> 
|> -- 
|> ---
|> Wayne Whitney
|> whitney2@husc.harvard.edu

You just need a good .Xresources or whatever. You can even make xterm work
like AT console. I will upload mine if I still have it.

H.J.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: u906400@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Roger Scott)
Subject: InterViews
Keywords: IV Unidraw InterViews X Toolkit
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:02:36 GMT

I thought I'd better let all the people who e-mailed me know what was
going on.  Boy did I get a flooded mailbox.  Anyway I've been busy with
assignments, my thesis and other related work, plus I've been waiting for
another drive to arrive.  So finally I've made the diffs.  They're
against a bare bones 3.0.1 release.  I haven't yet had a chance to upload
them to an ftp site, but I'd thought I'd better warn people who were
interested to grab the original source.  (It's around 3Mb so it may take
a while.)  Hopefully I'll get the diffs uploaded within the next two days
and I'll post a follow up when they become available.  I've also tarred
up the two libraries which were compiled with GCC v2.2.2 so for those of
you who don't have 24Mb of memory, or must have TIFF support, they'll be
available also.  I will not make any of the sample binaries available as
they're just too buggy.  I am making the patches available in the hope
that somebody with some spare time can have a look and also share some
fixes.  Most people were interested in Doc, but at the moment it's not a
pretty sight.  It compiles fine, however I can't make any sense out of
what shows up on the screen.  Again it's something for somebody with
some time to look into.  If you're tight for drive space you may have to
consider something else.  The source tree for 3.0.1 is around 9Mb, whilst
the two libraries are 3Mb.  Then you have to have space for the things
you want to compile.  Executable size for ibuild is 2.5Mb, for idraw it's
1.5Mb.  When (not if:-) we get proper shared library support ala SunOS this
should drop, along with the memory requirements.

Roger.

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From: martin@cs.unc.edu (Kevin Martin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: 8514/A X Server for Linux
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:38:51 GMT

We've been experiencing some problems with our internet connection, so
I thought I'd post again about the release.

If you've sent me e-mail in the past 5 days, please re-send it.  I've
received only 3 messages over that period (usually it is on the order of
20-30 messages/day), and I don't know if our mail-server will ever recover
those messages floating in e-mail limbo.

Thanks,
Kevin




Here's the original post:

After weeks of development and testing, I'm finally ready to announce
the release of the 8514/A X server for Linux.

The X server is based upon Orest's 1.1 release, and should be
compatible with his upcoming 2.0 release.

The requirements for running this X server are an 8514/A register
compatible video card, Linux 0.96c.pl2 or newer kernel, Orest's 1.1
release, Xlinux8514.T.Z, and GCC 2.2.2d.  Installation instructions
can be found in the README in Xlinux8514.T.Z.

For those of you who want to further optimize the server or port it to
other platforms (e.g., SVR4 or 386BSD), I've provided source code
cdiffs to Orest's xsrc.1.1.T.Z in the x.8514.src.T.Z file.  If you
would like to do further development, please contact me at the e-mail
address below.

Unfortunately my free time has run out, so this will be the only
release of the 8514/A X server unless someone has the time and
experience to pick up where I have to leave off.  I've delayed my
dissertation research during July and August to get this ready, and
while my professor has been patient with me, I cannot push him any
further.  If anyone would like to volunteer, please contact me at the
e-mail address below.

If you have problems setting things up or getting things working,
please send e-mail to the X11 channel on the linux-activists mailing
list or post to c.o.l.  This way everyone can benefit.

I will try to upload these files to sunsite.unc.edu, tsx-11.mit.edu
and nic.funet.fi in the next few days.  The main distribution site for
this package is ftp.cs.unc.edu in the /pub/martin directory.  The
Xlinux8514.T.Z and x.8514.src.T.Z files can be found there today.

Thanks,
Kevin
___
Kevin E. Martin               University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
martin@cs.unc.edu                          Department of Computer Science
From: hlu@fili.eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: new X11 editor: aXe
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:14:33 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

In article <1992Aug26.030304.174986@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, dlj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID L. JOHNSON) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug25.144151.2046@athena.mit.edu>, chchen@stat.fsu.edu (Ching-Hsiang Chen) writes:
|> >In my department our SA installed a new X11 editor called aXe which
|> >looks quite nice. I got the tar.Z file here but unfortunately I am
|> >just a newbie in GCC or compiler to port it (I will try anyway :) )
|> >Anyone already ported it to Linux?
|> >
|> >Steve Chen     chchen@stat.fsu.edu
|> >
|> I've been trying.  (See the whine about alphasort and scandir above).  If anyone

alphasort and scandir are in the next release of the C library.

|> else wants to try, be advised that 3.0.1 is *much* more stable than 3.0, and
|> anything before 3.0 requires oodles of special widgets that I don't think you
|> want to waste your disk space on.  I'll be waiting patiently, it's worth it.
|> 
|> -- 
|> Sincerely,
|> 
|> David L. Johnson                    ID:  dlj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu
|> Christmas-Saucon Hall #14, rm 211        
|> Department of Mathematics
|> 
|> Lehigh University                   Telephone: 215-758-3759 (office)

H.J.