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From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.running,misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Max Acceleration, Min Space
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:45:12 GMT
Followup-To: rec.running
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

In article <AJ3U.92Apr5153316@topaz.cs.virginia.edu>, aj3u@topaz.cs.virginia.edu (Asim Jalis) writes:
> If one is running in order to lose weight, should one run longer
> distances say three times a week or should one run shorter
> distances more frequently during the week?

Well, you don't define your terms, i.e., what you mean by a 'longer'
run, a 'shorter' run.   

As an aid to weight reduction, you want long, slow runs. However, they
should also be done frequently. By long, I am thinking in terms of
45 minute runs (or even a little longer). By slow, I mean getting
your heart rate up to  60% - 75% of maximum. In addition, this should
be done probably 5 days per week.

Cardiovascular workouts should  be done with somewhat more intensity,
for shorter periods of time, and may be done less frequently. That
is, a heart rate of 75% - 85% of maximum, for 20 - 30 minutes, and
three times per week.

Obviously, the above are guidelines.
-- 
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                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu  
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From: mvm@caesun6.harris-atd.com (Matt Mahoney)
Subject: Re: Boston Marathon ?'s
Reply-To: mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney)
Organization: CAE Design Center, Harris Corp., Melbourne, Fl.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:36:50 GMT

I have heard that 80% of the runners at the Boston Marathon are
unregistered.  I haven't run it so I don't know.  Is this true?

--------------------------------        _\/_
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From: proctor@skyler.mavd.honeywell.com
Subject: Re: Knees (Osgood Schlatter Syndrome)
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:30:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.210859.54475@cc.usu.edu>, robinh@cc.usu.edu writes:
>> 
>> The sensitive muscle under the kneecap is familiar, but I do not have a lump
>> of any kind.
>> 
> I have talked with people that have it or who have brothers/sisters that have
> Osgood.  Many of them have mentioned the lump in the knee; however, I only have
> a lump in the left knee.  My right knee hurts in a different place.  When I
> asked the doctor about this, he affirmed that they were both Osgood.  So maybe
> there are different kinds.  That would be interesting to read up on.  Perhaps
> the problem in my right knee is similar to yours, considering I don't have a
> lump under that kneecap!
> 
> Anyone else have info. on this??
> 
> Robin H.
>> 
>> Steve J.
I just caught up with the dialog on O.G. and thought I would share my
experience. I was diagnosed with O.G. in both knees by my physician during
Junior High football back in the early '70's. I spent one entire year out of
all sports with both the knees wrapped with Ace bandages and no pain
medication. Mine was due do a growth spurt and I have a nice size lump below
each kneecap, at the tendon connection, but no real problems. I was able to
return to football, basketball, and track the following year and competed
throughout high school. Running today hasn't been affected by the O.G. and I'm
35 and training for another marathon.
Good Luck!  Be patient!

Don Proctor
proctor@skyler.mavd.honeywell.com


From: kellyn@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Kelly Nichols)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:07:00 GMT
Subject: Busting the 20:00 5k
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: rec.running

Hi Runners,

I've been trying to break the dreaded 20:00 barrier for the 5k for two
years now.  My PR is 20:02 and I've run 8 5K's under 20:10.
I do track intervals and hills once a week.  Any other ideas for 
busting through those frustrating plateaus?

By the way, I just ran the Bonney Bell 10k in San Francisco and it was
won by Shirley Matson and she's over 50 years old!! WOW, perhaps becoming
a Master will do the trick, however I have a long time to wait. . .

Looking for ideas. .
Cheers,

A fellow runner in California
From: tsorg@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Teresa Sorg)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:06:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Boston Marathon ?'s: Get the facts first
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: rec.running

/ hpindda:rec.running / strobel@ssgv01.enet.dec.com (Jeff Strobel) /  5:54 am  Apr  8, 1992 /

Ron:
	I've run Boston both with a number and as a "back of the packer". I believe
the buses that run to Hopkinton from Boston require you to have a
number. Call the BAA
to be sure.
	Anyway, if you can get a ride out to the start give yourself plenty of
time.
I'd take the Pike to 495 south. You'll get bused (no number required)
from the exit,
which is well marked, to the start.
	The start of the race is on a 2 lane road, so with 13,000+ runners it's
crowded.
Depending on how near you are to the back, it could be 5 minutes to the
start line and
another 12 minutes for the first mile.
	There's plenty of water at official and non-official stops along the
way. The
official ones are every 2 miles. People also hand out small sponges and
orange slices
(watch out for the citric acid in an empty stomach, it's done me in
twice).
	The finish is fairly civil. You won't get a finisher's medal but you
can usually
get the food and drink and if you sould need medical help you'll get it.
I'm skipping the
run this year but am working the chutes at the finish line so best of
luck.


jeff






I agree with most of the responses to your note Ron.  People train damn
hard to run a marathon.  If you want to be in a marathon you should pay
the entry fee and/or be qualified (as in the case of the Boston) to run.
If you want to see if you can run 26.2 miles then go out, clock a course
and run it.  Otherwise, don't take the freebees or portapotties in the 
race, there are a lot of people in the race that will be experienced and
trying to qualify for another race!
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From: teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima)
Subject: Re: Weight (was Re: Max Acceleration, Min Space)
Keywords: weight
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 07:57:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.021801.5352@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:
>
>	I was reading soc.culture.japan, and somebody asked how can the
>Sumo wrestlers (those big-fat Japanese wrestlers) gain weight in wrestling
>school so fast.  The answers were that they eat a lot of "chyanko" (like
>noodles and vegtable) and "take a nap after every meal so they don't burn 
>up the calories."
>	It doesn't sound logical to me at all because I don't think it make
>any difference when the calories are burne.  Besides, sleeping after a meal 
>is unhealthy.  U should be awake to digest the food properly, right!

When I lived in Japan, my mom always told me not to eat right before I
went to sleep because it would cause nightmares and make me get
fatter. It seems over the years that she was true, at least in my
case. Many nutrition programs (not especially "diets" per se) tell you
not to eat too late at night because you end up not using those
calories while you're asleep.

Also, sumo wrestlers don't just eat, they _EAT_. "Chanko nabe" is not
just veggies, noodles, but everything else in the fridge. They cook
them in a humongoid pot. I mean MOUNDS, with tons of rice.



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From: paone@swbatl.sbc.com (Robin Paone - 529-7629)
Subject: Re: Treadmill running
Organization: Southwestern Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 18:53:39 GMT

flashman@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Matt Flash Bouma) writes:
> 
> 	A question for anyone out there who has ever used a treadmill.  I am
> using a treadmill about every other day to train on.  However, I find that
> it never seems to wind me like running on the road does on my alternate
> days.  Is treadmill running as effective as road running?

     I ran on a treadmill during the winter months and had no problems
getting a good workout.  As long as your treadmill can go at a quick pace
(mine goes as fast as a 6 minute/mile pace which is beyond my capabilities!) 
then you should be able get just as an effective workout.  My treadmill can
also be programmed to change its incline (up to 15 degrees) to simulate
hills.  Although my treadmill was a lifesaver during the winter (I'm not fond
of running in cold weather) I don't want to go near it now that its warmed
up.  I'll probably only use it if its pouring down rain on my workout day.
Robin
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                                        FAX - (314)529-7790
From: lamarreca@stat.appstate.edu
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: gatorade
Date: 7 Apr 92 09:02:01 EDT
Organization: Appalachian State University

In article <1992Mar30.143538.25847@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, rmarshal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rick Marshall) writes:
I swear by Gatorade.  I buy the powdered Gatorade and use 1 scoop per quart.
The directions call for 3 scoops per quart. I use Gatorade for long distance
bicycling (100 milers) and it works for me.
From: minow@ranger.enet.dec.com (Martin Minow)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Results from U.S. Men's Olympics Team Trials
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:35:24 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Steve Spence	2:12:43
Ed Eyestone	2:12:50
Bob Kampainen	2:12:53

Sorry, I don't have any more info.

Martin Minow
minow@ranger.enet.dec.com
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From: jclandry@caen.engin.umich.edu (Joseph Carl Landry)
Subject: US Olympic Trials
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 17:10:13 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa


Would somebody please post the results (and comentary) of the US 
Olympic marathon trials?

Xref: sparky rec.running:1005 misc.fitness:3251
From: robin@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Robin Amano)
Newsgroups: rec.running,misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Max Acceleration, Min Space
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:08:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr6.200835.11341
Organization: University of Hawaii

In article <AJ3U.92Apr5153316@topaz.cs.virginia.edu> aj3u@topaz.cs.virginia.edu (Asim Jalis) writes:
>If one is running in order to lose weight, should one run longer
>distances say three times a week or should one run shorter
>distances more frequently during the week?


Run longer more frequently! :-)

I think it depends on what your body tells you.



--
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rob
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From: fuka@spectre.unm.edu (Mary Fuka)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Dr. Fastfoot on Running
Summary: Selective breeding...
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:09:27 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Math & Stat, University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


>passier@bmerh472.BNR.CA (Chris Passier) writes:
>
>>Dear Dr. Fastfoot,
>>
>>	How do the people on the cover of Runner's World do it?
>>How do they manage to run along with those ear-to-ear grins?  ...I've
>>
>>			Out'a breath in Ottawa
>

Our respected running colleague, Matt Mahoney, proposes this that "cover
runner's smile" is a secondary effect of "runner's high".  Though an 
interesting thesis, I am afraid he is misinformed, though understandably so.
The aforementioned smile (really a teeth-baring, stretch-mouthed grimace of
enthusiasm) is a genetic trait developed by years of intensive selective
breeding in a very hush-hush program sponsored by Runners' World, Running 
Times and a consortium of shoe/clothing manufactures.  Much as in 
more familiar animal husbandry techniques, specific traits have been 
successfully emphasized--the "cover runners' grin" under discussion and
the "sweatless runners" that appear in equipment catalogs are two of the most 
familiar.  I was in fact interested to see in the current Roadrunners' 
Sports catalog a new line that apparently is a cross between the sweatless
line and the high-leaping breed, the latter characterized by a high bounding
gait (back cover, spring '92).  Compare with the non-purebred, non-smiling,
SWEATING groundbound mutt runner on page 62.  

Unfortunately, inbreeding results in some peculiarities.  That attractive grin
cannot actually be wiped off a cover-runners face, leading to facial 
muscle breakdown at an early age.  In addition, the cover runner
can only be taken out on insectless days, or it gets bees in its teeth.
Strictly an indoor track animal in all but ideal conditions.  Sweatless
runners, like hairless dogs, harbor a host of health problems, not the
least of which is rapid overheating.  And high-leaping varieties are
prone to knee injuries.  It is sad to see the usefulness of a working breed
diminished by a desire for flashy looks in the ring.  Fortunately, 
mongrel runners continue to perform very well, exhibiting speed and 
stamina that invariably wins out over genetic specialization, so we can hope
that runners in general iare in no danger of extinction.

Hope this clears up your questions,

--Mary Fuka
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: stafford@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Running Man)
Subject: Info on marathons?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:20:50 GMT

Could someone send me info on marathons in the United States this year?
With dates and locations of the marathons?  Thanks,

Gale Stafford
zoom@uiuc.edu
From: jp07@gte.com (James Paschetto)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Re: Boston Marathon ?'s: Get the facts first
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:14:01 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham MA

In article <381@sousa.ltn.dec.com> minow@ranger.enet.dec.com (Martin Minow) writes:
>Tony Revis is a Boston-based
>journalist. In addition to his ESPN coverage, he has a weekly radio show
>about running.

Weekly radio show? Please tell us when & where (on the dial).
Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: chrisj@pdx041.intel.com (Chris Jones)
Subject: test (ignore)
Reply-To: chrisj@ichips.intel.com
Organization: INTEL X86 Focus Group
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:53:03 GMT

This is a test...sorry.

--Chris
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: seeley@cerl.uiuc.edu (Joseph Seeley)
Subject: Re: track measurement
Organization: UIUC Computer-based Education Research Lab
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:53:43 GMT

I don't have the rules in  front of me.  The distance on a track is measured
in the inside lane.  I think it's measured some number of inches out from the
inside rail (6"?  9"?  12"?), but I won't swear to it.

Joseph Seeley	| seeley@cerl.uiuc.edu
		| seeley / cca / cerl
Newsgroups: rec.running,misc.fitness
From: aj3u@topaz.cs.virginia.edu (Asim Jalis)
Subject: Re: Max Acceleration, Min Space
Organization: University of Virginia, Charlottesville, VA 22903
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 20:33:16 GMT

If one is running in order to lose weight, should one run longer
distances say three times a week or should one run shorter
distances more frequently during the week?
Xref: sparky rec.running:1019 misc.fitness:3293
From: jpeach@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.running,misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Max Acceleration, Min Space
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:04:24 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <AJ3U.92Apr5153316@topaz.cs.virginia.edu>, aj3u@topaz.cs.virginia.edu (Asim Jalis) writes:
> If one is running in order to lose weight, should one run longer
> distances say three times a week or should one run shorter
> distances more frequently during the week?

Distance is not important when you are running to loose weight.  What is 
important is the number of Kcal that you burn.  The intensity does not matter
as long as you burn 300 to 500 kcal per work out.  You should do this five
times a week (work up to this, do not start at 5 times a week)  do not
exercise when you feel pain and stop when you feel pain.   
 
 
///MiStEr pEaCh\\\
From: flashman@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Matt Flash Bouma)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Treadmill running
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:08:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


	A question for anyone out there who has ever used a treadmill.  I am
using a treadmill about every other day to train on.  However, I find that
it never seems to wind me like running on the road does on my alternate
days.  Is treadmill running as effective as road running?
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: wesm@pdx044.intel.com (Wes McCullough)
Subject: test (ignore)
Reply-To: wesm@ichips.intel.com
Organization: INTEL X86 Focus Group
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:14:40 GMT

this is only a test
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From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Info on marathons?
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:04:41 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Apr13.232050.21076@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, stafford@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Running Man) writes:
> Could someone send me info on marathons in the United States this year?
> With dates and locations of the marathons?  Thanks,


	Go to you're library and start digging through back issues of 
Runner's World. Back arround Jan (or DEC 91) there was a list of U.S. Marathons
for the entire year.

-- 
!	Jim  Halpin
!	halpin@turkey.sw.stratus.com
!	Matt Young is so pathetic, he can even screw up a no-hitter!!!
From: paulf@max.mips.com (Paul French)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: US Olympic Trials
Date: 15 Apr 1992 19:43:10 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Reply-To: paulf@max.mips.com (Paul French)
NNTP-Posting-Host: max.mips.com


Some secondhand news on the Trials.  A friend of mine ran and dnf'ed.  Here's
what he told me...

Qualifying for the trials sounds like a wonderful experience.  After his
qualifier, he got a letter from the committee inviting him to the race.
All hotels were paid for, the flights were paid, and there was a per diem
to boot!  They were kept updated as to who had qualified and how things
were going in preparation for the race.  Before the race, everyone got a
nice booklet with info on all the qualifiers, including photos.

For a first time Oly Trials qualifier it was a very unusual experience.
Being used to placing high at most races, it was strange to go out at
5:12 pace (roughly 2:16) and drop well off the leaders right away.  My
friend struggled early and needed a Port-a-Potty break; after he came out
he thinks that he was nearly in last place.  By halfway he knew he was
struggling and figured it would be pointless to beat himself up for another
13 miles, so he dropped.  One of his buddies, who had been hurt and had a
goal of just finishing, came in last by three minutes at 2:38.  The course
was being closed down behind him at 2:40 pace.

Some of the higher finishers never tried to go with the pack.  Danny
Gonzales was 9th in 2:16:40 or so (I think), and he went out conservatively
and just picked people off as they died.  Apparently most of the comments
Danny got at the post race party were "Oh, yeah, you passed me at the
x mile point.  I was really dying out there."  Danny picked up a fair
chunk of change ($5k?) with these tactics.

The weather was pretty cruel; hot (got up to the high 70's) with about 80%
humidity.  In general, a bad day for marathoning, but perhaps a good trial
for Barcelona, which should be an oven.  The weather gods having a sense of
humor, it was about 45 degrees the next day.

Though humbled by the actual race, my friend described it as a good
experience.  He said the support was great; after he dropped, with the
race still underway, people were coming up to him to shake his hand and
congratulate him on just being there.  The parties were well done and
everything was well organized.

-paulf
From: JMPATTON@MIAMIU.BITNET (Jon Patton)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Adidas running shoes
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:30:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

>With all this talk about Adidas running shoes, I decided to take
>a look at some.  What I found is that they are very hard to find
>in my area.  No store seems to carry their complete line.  Does
>anyone know of a good mail order source for Adidas running shoes?
>I have had good luck with them in the past, but I would hate to get
>hooked on them and not be able to get another pair if I wanted them.
  Eastbay (1-800-826-2205) stocks most of the current Adidas running
shoes including all four shoes in the Equipment line (Control, Cushion,
Guidance, and Racer). They also stock several types of Adidas track shoes
as well as shoes for other sports. I don't beleive they still carry the
Oregon Classic, but Road Runner Sports (1-800-551-5558) and California
Best (1-800-225-2378) still carry the shoe. These latter two stores carry
other Adidas running shoes but their Adidas line is not as complete as
Eastbays'.
 
Jon Patton
Academic Computer Service
Miami University
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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: US Olympic Trials
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:06:44 GMT


Joseph Carl Landry writes:

>Would somebody please post the results (and comentary) of the US
>Olympic marathon trials?

Well, Steve Spence won with a time of 2:12:43.  Second was taken by Ed Eyestone
with a time of 2:12:51 and third was Robert Kempainen at 2:12:54.  These times
are from memory and may be wrong!

It was a pretty fast field (as you might expect) and the pace caused many
runner to drop out.  Only 55 finished (with official times) out of the 110 who
started.  At mile 10, there was a pack of about 20 to 30 runners.  At this 
point Joseph Nitti was the leader.  Over the next 13 miles or so, Bill 
Reifsnyder and Keith Brantly opened a slight lead but hit the wall around mile 
22.  By Mile 23, the pack was down to Spence, Eyestone and Kempainen who had a 
:06 lead over Brantly.  By mile 24, the lead had grown and it was clear which 
three runners would represent the US in the Olympics.

Ed Eyestone returns to the Olympic team after finishing 29th in '88.  Steve
Spence took home $58,000 for the win.

     - Pat
.
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