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From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) RE: (Fwd: *C&CD*) What I was NOT complaining about/ (Required Courses)  (18) (16)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:30:48 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


Entry: 16
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:26:22 -0600
From: Gallus <galbri@bernoulli.bethel.edu>
Subject: RE: (Fwd: *C&CD*) What I was NOT complaining about/ (Required Courses)  (18) (16)
Message-id: <199301080126.AA01548@bernoulli.bethel.edu>
Reply-to: Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar) <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>

>

> Honestly, I wasn't complaining.
>

I apologize for the miscommunication.


As a second year computer science student who happens to be very concerned with
 this country's future, I see todays college students learning nary as much as those
 of 15 to 20 years ago.  This is not just a college phenomona, as elementary,
 middle and highschools are saddly lacking in the funds and abilities to

thoroughly educate the children of today.  By allowing students to be taught

in over-crowded, under managed schools, they nolonger are learning even

the core curriculim; people are graduating high school unable to read and write.
The point that I am trying to make is that this is a sad cycle that ends in the

colleges.  By not teaching students about the world in the lower educational

levels, they nolonger have an active interest in doing so when they finally have

the chance.  Because of this, and the fact that colleges are forced to meet the

needs (wants) of their students, as this is how bills are paid, the schools are

forced to "compromise" the curriculim to meet the wants of the students; Training
for a job.  This is something that I see not only in my school, but in the fact that

so-called "tech" schools are taking a bigger part of the educational "Pie."

Students want only what they need to get a decent paying job.  This is why

I see the need for general education courses to be a well rounded, broad

view of what these students need to learn, or at least think about.  No school

is perfect, but they are doing their best.
As a person who has asperations of teaching at the college level, I am a bit

concerned that the required amount of general education classes are
becoming less and less.  If this keeps up, the country will be filled with no
liberal arts schools, and thousands of "tech" schools; I want my children to

attend a school that will educate them in more than just a technical fashion.
After all, isn't college the place where we are supposed to "find ouselves"?

       Young, yet concerned-
        Brian K. Gallus
                (galbri@bethel.edu)

P.S.  Snappy quotation yes, but disclaimer?

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Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Digest mail is really screWey these days! (1)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:33:10 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


Entry: 1
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 20:04:58 EST
From: IN%"RobertRoyar@Delphi.COM" Robert Royar, (C&CD Moderator)
Message-id: <1993Jan04.200458.v7.060.1.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject: Digest mail is really screWey these days! (1)
Reply-to: "Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar)" <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>
Organization: Cratylus Educational Software

The mail between gateways has been very unreliable for the Digest since mid
December. Some Digests are taking a week or more to get to the UL Vax where
they are mailed to subscribers. This has caused at least three issues to be
double mailed to some sites during that period. I apologize for any
inconveniences this may cause.

Also I have been getting a rash of "Unknown Mailer Error"  and
"Unbalanced '<'" errors from a few Canadian sites. These have occurred in
the past and usually disappear after a few weeks. But if any of our
Canadian readers are having trouble with reception, these errors are the
likely suspects.

 -- Robert Royar (RobertRoyar@Delphi.com) New York Institute of Technology
    "Information wants to be free."
                                                         - A Retrofuturist

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Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Do colleges require only first-year writing? (8)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:00:53 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


Entry: 8
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 05:01:00 EST
From: IN%"RobertRoyar@Delphi.COM" Robert Royar, (C&CD Moderator)
Message-id: <1992Dec29.050100.v7.055.1.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject: Do colleges require only first-year writing? (8)
Reply-to: "Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar)" <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>
Organization: Cratylus Educational Software

>From: CROWLEY@NAUVAX.BITNET
>Subject: Standardizing Composition Classes (*MBU*)
>Message-id: <01GSV3I45ZK08WX75X@ulkyvx.bitnet>

>    4.  Institutional politics:  I have concluded that the one thing that
>makes FE different from all other college courses is the fact that it is
>required.  If we don't require it, perhaps (this is a big perhaps) it might
>assume the status enjoyed by other university courses.

Does this mean that many colleges do not require other courses from all
students? We require math (which includes basic math if placed in it),
history, philosophy, intermediate writing, lit, and a few others. These are
all part of a 30+-hour "core curriculum" with standard syllabi (our admin
showed us accred-agency docs that suopport their claim that standard
syllabi are necessary for these courses) but what NYIT and our accreditors
call syllabi (10-25 page documents) are a bit more elaborate than what MBU
has been calling syllabi (which we would call course outlines).

As an undergrad I had to take 12 hrs of required German language (the
specific language was mandated by ones major which for me began as
Chemistry). I had to take history, and a few electives from a very
constrained range. Even at the senior level there was one required
(non-English) "elective" which I hated to have to take.

I assumed that most colleges had some required core courses. Is this just
naive?

 -- Robert Royar (RobertRoyar@Delphi.com) New York Institute of Technology
    "If the Russians can get rid of the Communists, the Americans can get rid
    of the Republicans."                                        - Rudy Rucker

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Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
From: lschmers@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lawrence S Schmersal)
Subject: Re: (Fwd: *C&CD*) What I was NOT complaining about/ (Required Courses)
 (18)
Summary: No follow-ups
Organization: The Ohio Living Room
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:30:22 GMT

My problem with this notion of required courses (and if someone ealier has said
this, I apologize) is that, in the case of Freshman Composition there is no 
follow up.  It's assumed that after one ten week course (I'm at Ohio State, and
we're on quarters) that a given student has achieved some kind of mastery over 
the material.  For many of these courses, especially writing courses, _I_ would
say, one course isn't enough--and I feel pretty much the same about the breadth
courses that I took during undergrad.  Higher education has been doing a 
serious disservice to it's students (and it's subjects of study) by offering 
Art History courses that flash from Praxiteles to Picasso in a semester or from
European pre-history to 1500 in the same amount of time.  When I took these 
courses, the prof would announce at the beginning of the semester that this 
course used to be two classes but that it was consolidated in the last ten
years to it's present format to cover twice the material in the same amount of 
time.  The only required courses that take _some_ time to cover the material 
and even have a followup are, of course, foreign language classes.  This is the
state of affairs at the two colleges I've been involved with and I am 
complaining--because, in the alleged effort to make students well-rounded
educated beings, the university is only turning out capable Trivial Pursuit
players.

Rant over,


Steve

P.S.  We could start another thread on the ways this slash and burn teaching 
method has the capacity to further marginalize those artists, writers, 
historical figures, etc. who have always been lost in the shuffle because of 
sex, gender or just because.

P.P.S.  So what do we do about all this?  Refocus the notion of breadth 
requirements to allow for specialized classes to count for the requisite?
Newsgroups: comp.edu,news.future,alt.amateur-comp
From: hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Hauben)
Subject: Need help in the study of Computers and Communications
Summary: Need help designing major at College in telecommunications
Keywords: Computers Communication Major Study Program
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:32:29 GMT

Communications among humans has begun to radically change since the
introduction of computers into the process. I plan to try to work
in the field of computer communications and networks.
 
I am currently a college sophomore and must declare my major
or concentration by April. Thus, I am trying to design a
special concentration of study to propose to my advisor.
Broadly I would like to call my concentration  "Computers
and Society." I would like to study this field as broadly
as possible, incorporating history of technology, sociology,
philosophy, and thinking on future implications. However, if
I must narrow my approach, I might want to focus on "Computers
and Communications."
 
I am interested in the role computers play in our society.
Recent technological advances have been advancing society
at a faster rate than ever before possible. I would like
to study the computer's place in society in relation to what
advances it has made possible. Also I would like to study
how the technology, that is the computer, can, has, and will
change society.
 
Currently I am planning to study computers and
telecommunications. I plan to study both the technological
foundation, and the social impact and implications of
computers to communication. I need to plan a program of
studies. I need help figuring out what focus to take in
my program of studies, and also suggestions of
courses that would form a solid program in the study of
computers and communications. It is possible to take courses
in other divisions of my University, such as the School of
Engineering, if I design my own interdisciplinary major.
 
Again, I would be interested in hearing from others about what
majors of telecommunications or computers and communications
exists in other schools. Either that or the possible broader major
of computers and society or technology and society would be
interesting to hear. Also, any suggestions of what kinds of courses
should be involved in either majors.

        Thank You,
        -Michael Hauben

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Newsgroups: comp.edu,comp.software-eng
From: marick@cs.uiuc.edu (Brian Marick)
Subject: Re: Class Project For Software Engineering Course
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:38:08 GMT

As an independent studies project, two students of mine built a test
coverage tool (including test suite, documentation, and dealing with
user feedback).  It made a pretty decent semester project.  It was
especially useful because they had to learn and modify an existing
compiler (GCC).  

(This was the predecessor tool to GCT, and some vestiges of their code
lives on in it.  Students like it when their code gets out into the
world and gets used.)

Brian Marick, marick@cs.uiuc.edu, testing!marick@uunet.uu.net
Testing Foundations:  Consulting, Training, Tools.
Freeware test coverage tool:  see cs.uiuc.edu:pub/testing/GCT.README


Newsgroups: twg.sco-list,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,biz.sco.general,comp.mail.uucp
From: gmarzot@mitre.org (G. S. Marzot)
Subject: Round Trip Time(RTT) and FTP
Followup-To: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Organization: MITRE Corp.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:33:58 GMT

Here are some interesting issues that I have been having trouble nailing
down concerning the behavior of TCP, and FTP on top of TCP in particular. I
am on a Sun SPARC 2 SunOS 4.1.2

When FTP begins a file transfer, assuming the connection has already been
established, it makes another connection to host1.ftp-data, negotiates MSS
and window sizes(in my case mss=1460 and window=24576) and then starts
transferring data. The question is - does the second connection use the RTT
calculated when the FTP session was brought up or must it recalculate it
anew?  

What is the initial guess at RTT(and corresponding RXMIT timer) for a new
TCP connection?

Can this be changed? by FTP? in the kernel?

Is there a way to monitor/log the progress of the RTT calculations for a
particular connection?

Does Sun's implementation of TCP use adaptive window slow start algoritms?

I have seen FTP sessions negotiate different maximum segment sizes(mss) for
different connections - what are the issues driving the selection of an mss
and can this be controlled by the user?

Thank you very much in advance for any light shed.

-GSM
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: ray@exicom.OZ.AU (ray)
Subject: MORE ON TOOLS TO FIND ROUTING TABLES OF REMOTE HOSTS
Originator: news@xig
Keywords: ripquery
Organization: Exicom Australia Pty Ltd
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:57:23 GMT

many thanks to all those people who replied to my last post, when i asked how
would i perform the equivalent of a remote "netstat -rn" on 
arbitrary internet hosts.

Most people suggested SNMP. However, wouldn't this limit me to
querying hosts running SNMP? 

I was hoping that there would be a solution which only required 
that the gateway in question be running some routing daemon
talking RIP (e.g. gated), which is a more common property of gateways
than SNMP .

I vaguely remember hearing of a program called ripquery, but i can't
find any info on it. Has anyone heard of such a thing ; would this
do the job I just described in the previous paragraph?
From: mckenzie@bbn.com (Alex McKenzie)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: TCP/IP for Tops-10
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:39:58 GMT
Reply-To: mckenzie@labs-n.bbn.com (Alex McKenzie)
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

According to Jerry Burchfiel, who was there at the time: "Bill Plummer
and Ray Tomlinson of BBN first implemented TCP/IP on TENEX.  Thanks to
Charles Lynn, also of BBN, it was later ported onto TOPS-20.  I think it
skipped over TOPS-10."

Alex McKenzie
BBN
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: WINTCP or DOS / IRIS Problem.
Date: 10 Jan 93 06:15:28 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1ic3orINN9nn@vttux1.vtt.fi> leino@rat.vtt.fi (Tapio Leino) writes:
| This just makes us wonder. Why has the window size been changed? What
| do we lose changing it back to its original value, 24k?

Performance between hosts that can handle it.
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: jbvb@vax.ftp.com  (James B. VanBokkelen)
Subject: Re: Setting date and time on PC
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Keywords: Time service
Reply-To: jbvb@ftp.com
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:51:00

In article <1993Jan12.031512.16593@samba.oit.unc.edu> tclark@med.unc.edu (Thomas B. Clark III) writes:

    Does anyone have any experience setting the PC's date and time
    from a UNIX time server using tcp/ip?

A number of the PC TCP/IP packages (including ours) have clients for the
Time Protocol defined in RFC 868.  Its accuracy is limited, but it seems
to be good enough for most DOS usages.

James B. VanBokkelen		2 High St., North Andover, MA  01845
FTP Software Inc.		voice: (508) 685-4000  fax: (508) 794-4488
From: sailesh@litsun.epfl.ch (Sailesh Chutani)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: question - performance and fault management in networks
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:50:33 GMT
Organization: Ecole polytechnique federale de Lausanne DI-LIT

Greetings

I am trying to identify the problems that are considered to be the key
problems in the area of Network Management, going beyond those solved by CMIP, DME,
and SNMP etc.  In particular I am focusing attention on fault and
performance management issues at the transport layer. I would 
like to hear from people who are working in the related areas
or have some experience and/or ideas on the topic that they would like to
share.

The problems of interest for example, could be related to :
	- abstractions used to describe the system
	- protocol design, specification, and validation techniques
	- modelling and statistical techniques
	- framework for dealing with incomplete and erroneous information
	  on problems
	- gathering and analyis of problem related data
	- automation of detection and recovery
	- design of suitable interfaces to aid discovery, diagnosis and
	  recovery

I would prefer any feedback via e-mail. I shall post a summary
of the information thus collected.

Thanks for your help.

-Sailesh
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: hak@alf.cooper.edu (Jeff Hakner)
Subject: Re: STARLAN 10 10BASE-T hub unit doesn't like adapters
Organization: The Cooper Union ( NY, NY )
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:26:41 GMT

in article <Jan.4.19.20.49.1993.958@ocean.rutgers.edu>, jimg@ocean.rutgers.edu (Jim Gasprich) says:
> 
> I have two somewhat old (circa 1988) STARLAN 10 hub units that 
> are part of our TCP/IP ethernet LAN. Our lab is wired twisted pair
> with RJ-45 plugs. This is fine for our PCs with their RJ-45 port 
> cards, but for our UNIX boxes (Suns), we need to use AUI to RJ-45
> adapter boxes.
> 
> Here's the problem. We recently bought a new (1991) adapter box from
> Cabletron, but it did not work when we wired it up. We have a few 
> old adapters from AT&T (which came with our now defunct 3B2s (ick!)),
> and some others from a company called David Systems, which work A-OK.
> 
> I am somewhat perplexed. Has there been a change in the 802.3 standard,
> are our hub units no longer usuable, or am I just missing something
> somewhere ?? It would seem a shame to throw out 22 usuable ports, 
> especially with the price of some of the new fancy-pants hubs I've
> been looking at.
> 
> I apologize if these are newbie questions, or are more appropriate to
> another, more wire-head hardware group.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim Gasprich                          e-mail: jimg@ocean.rutgers.edu
> Research & Support Slave                tel:    (908) 932-9631
> Cook College Remote Sensing Center      fax:    (908) 932-8644
> Dept of Natural Resources
> Rutgers University
> New Brunswick, NJ, O8903        "Du bist mein Gweckman" - Anonymous Fascist

I've had a similar problem.  When I used the Allied Telesis thick-10BASE-T
adapter and plucked the twisted pair into an AT&T STARLAN 10 hub, the
whole network starting dying with heavy collisions (and no traffic!).
WHen I replaced the hub with an Allied hub (more modern), no problems.
I thought STARLAN10 was supposed to be compatible with 10-BASE-T, but perhaps
there are some subtel differences which prevent this interoperation?


--Jeff Hakner
Asst. Dir. Telecommunications
Cooper Union
NYC

Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.unix.wizards
From: ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen)
Subject: Determining your pty
Organization: Motorola Panther Project, Chandler, AZ
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:25:53 GMT

	A little insight/info would really be appreciated!!

1) I need to write an application that services users who dail-up via a terminal
server and are rlogin'ed or telnet'ed to a specified host.  Is there any easy way
from a 'C' application to determine the pty?

2) Since TCP/IP is the underlying transport, does using pty's cause significant
additional overhead?  Is there a straightforward method of accessing the socket,
and doing socket level communication between the process and the terminal server?

Thanks in advance!!!!!!

Ron


-- 

>
Ron Feigen
ronf@panther.mot.com
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: skl@wimsey.bc.ca (Samuel Lam)
Subject: Re: MORE ON TOOLS TO FIND ROUTING TABLES OF REM
Reply-To: skl@wimsey.bc.ca (Samuel Lam)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 10:06:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.211340.13111@colorado.edu>, garnett@refuge.Colorado.EDU
 (Santiago de la Paz) wrote:
>The only way to really make sure of what advertisements a gateway makes is
>to sit and listen for them, e.g. with gated tracing turned on or some
>handmade NIT utility.

You could also use "tcpdump" to show what's coming in on the UDP RIP
port.

In any case, passive monitoring only works if you are on the same
network as the source.

...Sam
-- 
<skl@wimsey.bc.ca> -- Connectivity Technology Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: dedgar@mta.ca
Subject: time outs in FIN-WAIT2??
Reply-To: dedgar@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:42:15 GMT

Hello

I was wondering if anyone out there knows anything about a curious thing I've
seen while ftping into various machines.

I am writing a pc based ftp client program, among other things this software
has a hold screen function which is useful for pausing dirs to the screen &
etc.  Anyway, if the screen is held the incoming directory listing backs up
to the limit of my advertised window - just like it is supposed to. If the 
window happens to be larger than the remaining data the other side will 
send its fin and (i presume) move to fin-wait1. My side will go to close_wait

My side will remain in close-wait because it cannot get rid of the remaining
data (the hold screen is on) but will ack the other sides fin which 
(i presume) moves it to fin_wait2. The problem happens when I release the
hold screen. When this happens my side finishes processing the data and sends
its own fin, then moves to last ack. I have found that if the wait is long 
enough (10 sec or so) the other side will ignore my fin and never return an
ack - this leaves me in last_ack.  Eventually it seems my retransmitted fin
will generate a reset from the other side. 

I interpret this problem to mean that the other side has timed out or retried
out in fin-wait2. Is this a valid assumption. Does tcp-ip software do this?
It sure isn't in the rfc. Is there another interpretation. I have experienced
it with a number of types of machines on the internet (via anonymous ftp) maybe
anonymous is a special case in unix boxes?

Can anyone definitly confirm (one way or the other) that this is in fact
what is going on. I don't rule out bugs in my software, but I checked pretty
thouroughly before asking here.

Thanks
						Dale Edgar
						Cybernetic Control Inc.
						DEDGAR@MTA.CA