HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mjp@itd.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: another case study in hatefulness by the "open-minded"
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:49:00 GMT
 <1992Oct2.192952.8979@u.washington.edu> <6360@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>   
 <1992Oct6.225136.13558@u.washington.edu> <7OCT199202095805@vxcrna.cern.ch> <1992Oct7.202131.22115@u.washington.edu>

mrcarl@carson.u.washington.edu (Mark Carlson) writes:


>Dave said:
>>Absolutely.  It is only when I hear the president of the United States is
>>using astrology to make foreign and domestic policy decisions that I really
>>start to worry.

Read some more about the US and you will find that it was
FOUNDED on astrology. You might also like to cast a chart
for the execution of Louis XVI at place de la guillotine and
see where mars and uranus are. That would be an interesting
chart indeed.

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Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: skinny@board8.uucp (skinny)
Subject: astrology is hooey
Summary: astrology is bunk!
Keywords: astrology hooey
Organization: board8
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 00:57:18 GMT


 12 unevenly spaced celetial bodies don't change anything. Astrology
is/was/will-always-be hooey.
 Once, when I was young, I put a tooth under my pillow, but didn't
tell my parents and discovered one of life's truths. Learning the sordid
truth about Santa soon followed.
 Funny, I never was lame enough to believe in astrology - and I was a
plenty goofy kid.

 - -  -  -   -   - <* BOINK! *>

 Ouch!
 Ok! You guys were right. A brick was just thrown at my head and (being
that it became a celestial body) it had a profound affect on me as it
struck, thus proving once and for all, astrology is for real.

 Now my problem is other celestial bodies. Why just some? What about
artificial satellites? Or are they missing the secret rays? How about
passing trains? If position is important wouldn't my horrorscope be
different in Boise than in Barstow? Does my horrorscope change if I
stand on my head? (I can't check it until the wound heals)
 Also, wouldn't this all also apply to other animals? Do my cats need
forecasts? 
 What about the conventional laws of physics? Wouldn't that equal and
opposite reaction thing apply here? If the moon affects me, then I 
must be affecting the moon. The feeling of power is overwhelming!

 Well, I better go check my horrorscope so I can know what sort of a
day I'm having. 

 thank you.
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:13:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.astrology

Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
From: aa782@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Emilie Unkrich)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Virgo Wonders
Date: 11 Oct 1992 18:57:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa782@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Emilie Unkrich)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Is there any romance ahead for a Virgo born August 24, 1937 at 11:30 AM in
Clevealand Ohio?
-- 
 
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Culinary Arts SIG Cosysop (aa782)         :->  better than the food that it
>INTERNET:aa782@cleveland.Freenet.Edu     :->  takes in daily to strengthen
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: "jim kane" <jim.kane@canrem.com>
Subject: aspect interpretation and
Reply-To: "jim kane" <jim.kane@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 10 Oct 92 12:10:35 EST

Tom Chapin commented;
TC>In the US, it has been traditional to make the houses appear equal
TC>while letting the sign size float, but in Europe they tend to use
TC>a system which would appear more normal to you and me which keeps
TC>the signs stable and lets the house size float.  I suspect that deep
TC>within the mists of history, some astrology publisher sold chart
TC>forms of that shape, and astrologers all went along...

   I think you're probably right. When I first started studying
   astrology this was the type of chart I used. Not very holistic, is
   it?

TC>Those who interpret a chart mainly by sign and house placement find
TC>that chart form easy to work with, not to mention very easy to fill
TC>out,

    In other words, beginners. But even beginners should'nt use this
    (US) chart, as it does not give you a view of the *whole* chart
    interaction, visibly.

TC> while those who emphasize aspects prefer the European form.
TC>With the advent of charts made by computer rather than by hand, the
TC>European form is likely to become more popular.

    Ahh... Progress!

   I prefer the charts that have all twelves signs, 360 degrees, visible
   on the outer circle. It's helps us keep in mind that *everybody* has
   all twelves signs in their chart. The marked 360 degrees also shows
   the proper angular relationships (aspects)  between planets at a
   glance.  A must when studying a chart is to draw in coloured aspect
   lines.  I use;

                 Squares - red    Oppositions - yellow
                 conjunctions - red  sextiles - blue  trines - green
                 inconjuncts - orange.

   Smaller aspects (septiles, etc.) I would plot on another chart.
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Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: mrcarl@carson.u.washington.edu (Mark Carlson)
Subject: Astrology Discussion Topic No. 3
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:09:24 GMT

Have any of you run charts for your pets?  Sounds funny but I have found
that they exhibit many of the qualities in their charts.  For instance, I
have two poodles.  One poodle is very vocal and "talkative" (Leo Moon) and
she loves people and "performing" little antics for others (Leo rising). 
She also gets bored with her toys very quickly (Gemini sun).  My other
poodle is very shy around strangers (Cancer sun) and gets his feelings
hurt easily.  His has tons of energy and would play all day and night if
someone would indulge him (Mars in Aries).  Do any of you have similar
experiences?  We often don't know the birth time for our pets but can at
least figure out their signs and planets.

Mark
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: grand cross
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 7 Oct 1992 14:50:32 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx54.cis.brown.edu

In article <Bvp8uJ.124@exnet.co.uk>, s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher)
wrote:
> 
> A grand cross is forming in the signs of Aries, Libra etc.  The planets
> involved are Mars, Moon, Sun, Neptune and Uranus.  All five planets will
> be angular at the same time twice in the day.  Once when Aries rises, the
> other when Libra rises.
> 
> Any comments/ideas?
> 
> Xavier.
Please post dates/times/timezones and placement of planets involved -
degrees & minutes.  Thanks. 
  
On a mundane level, the information can be compared to charts of countries,
states, cities or individuals.  One must understand the nature of a grand
cross, which is 4 squares and two oppositions (or more if there are +4
planets).  In cardinal signs, events are produced; where and when is still
the great mystery.  During 'Desert Storm" I looked at Astro*Carto*Graphy
when the major raids took place in Iraq and when Iraq sent the missles to
Israel.  The reporting from CNN gave the timing of these events and in each
case that *I* looked at, Mars was rising over that area and/or Saturn was
involved also.  Someday, there may be the capability of using the method
for some decent trends/prediction.  Jim Lewis may already be doing this -
he is the creator of this method.

On a personal level, if the orbs are close to natal/progressed
planets/points, then the individual should proceed cautiously with whatever
analysis can be gleened from his/her chart.    

Remember well, my friends, this year ahead has the potential for enormous
change with the Uranus/Neptune conjunction and the Saturn square to Pluto
aspects.  If one can look back to the sixties with the Uranus/Pluto
conjunction and reflect on the changes that took place during that
timeframe (VietNam, flower power, hippies, Beatles, draft card buring, Kent
State ++++), then one can certainly predict the new trends that are already
forming globally using the symbolism of the planets/signs.  The
Uranus/Pluto in Virgo people born during the sixties will be taking over
the world and yes, the cleaning up will occur.  (I have two daughters born
in the sixties and one is already trying to 'clean up' abused children and
the other is 'creating' a new sound with an all female heavy metal band,
similar to Sonic Youth.  Lots of us will not like it one bit.  Will $ be
important - probably not, if there is nothing to buy because of global
pollution.   Enough for now, digress & I did.  The idea of Astrology is to
be prepared, through knowledge of cycles & trends.  It helps me, I hope it
helps you too.

Regards, Carol  
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: bbl7597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Best way to sell astrology software
Reply-To: bbl7597@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 01:42:40 GMT

I have some astrology software for the PC which I would like to sell.
What is the best way to sell it? Any help is appreciated.
From: cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Help with Progressions and Stars
Date: 8 Oct 1992 22:46:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Can someone out there give me some help with Progressions? Do
you make up a new chart with the new birth date(day for a yer) o
just progress the planets and cusps within the natal chart? Also
I would like some information on Converse progressions. Doing a
Converse has given me some insight into things I could not under-
stand looking at my natal chart.

How are the stars used in an interpretation? I have been looking
at the charts posted here and see that the stars have been included.

Being very rusty, I have forgotten how to progress the moon. Any
help will be much appreciated.

Linda :-)
From: SXM123@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Discussion topic 3
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:53:30 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


     My first cat was an Aries, and boy was he something!  My family and I thou
ght it was normal for cat owners to walk around with their hands torn up by the
 family pet.  He was also a Casanova (Venus in Aries) as he brought presents of
 mice and other rodents to the neighbor cats doorstep.  He was also a big fight
er and defender of his territory, but the tiffs were soon forgiven and the next
 day he would be licking the other cat's face.
My present cat is a Libra, and she's just the sweetest, most ideal pet.
She's very social and greets guests at the door.  Her Venus and Sun are conjunc
t my Pluto in the 6th House of domestic pets.  My friends my say I have an obse
ession over my cat.
     My friend just got a Leo kitten.  He is quite a show-off!  He also makes g
rumbling noises if you don't pay attention to him, and he's extremely affection
ate.
                                                     -Marilynn
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: lorenmo@microsoft.com (Loren Moore)
Subject: is there a FAQ for this group?
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:45:39 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

I am a newbie, but I've been interested in astrology for several years.
I would like to know what the heck you all are meaning when you say
things like 'aspects', 'square', 'transit'. Isn't there a FAQ? Sorry if
I missed it, my server doesn't keep the news around for very long.

btw, I'm a Sag, with Sag rising, moon in Leo (and lots of other Sag ties,
but I have a hard time remembering them all). I'm just your basic typical
Sag dichotomy

daemien
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Jupiter enters Libra tomorrow !!
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:08:07 GMT
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Organization: Brown University
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx54.cis.brown.edu

> signs. As a Piscean, it has now moved into my 7th sign. I'm curious as a new
> opportunity has come my way. Unfortunately Jupiter is transiting my 10th house
> (placidus) and the opportunity is more friendship/humanitarian which is more
> akin to 11th house placing, ie doesn't quite fit the jigsaw.
> 
> Andy Gray
Hi Andy, if your chart is accurate then Jupiter in the 10th can bring you
favorable recognition.  However, if you see that other transits are not
working then perhaps you should check your birthtime and chart erection as
to Daylight savings, etc.
Regards, Carol
From: jim.kane@canrem.com ("jim kane")
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: astrology and science
X-OLD-Message-ID: <1992Oct13.2501.2296@dosgate>
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:24:04 EST

 Here is a quote from an article Swiss physician Alexander Ruperti
 wrote in 1971, Kosmos.

 " Unfortunately, the scientific attitude has tended to increase the
 chaos at the psychological level, because it destroys the value of the
 individual and because the type of city and machine-controlled
 existance it has produced has also destroyed man's sense of
 particpation in the rhythm's of life and nature. Modern man tends to
 forget that science's main concern is the establishment of collective
 laws for general appication only. The environment science offers to
 man does not present him with any *human* meaning or purpose; merely
 cold, intellectual facts which are supposed to be unchangeable but
 which, from any long perspective, may easily change according to the
 rhythm of vast cosmic cycles."

 " What is the value of trying to fit astrology into the
 straight-waistcoat of scientific knowledge, when its technique and
 basic philosophy enable one to escape from the prison into which
 science has put man's mind?  Would it not be more worthwhile for us to
 build up astrology on it *own* foundations and thus present it as a
 means to *complement* the scientific emphasis and to reorient the
 consciousness and thinking of our modern civilization which has lost
 contact with its vital roots in the creative rhythms of
 life?...Science gives us knowledge, nothing more. It has nothing to say
 concerning the why of the universe, and everything dealing with the
 understanding and the significance of individual human values and goals
 is outside its domain.... astrology's gift to mankind is its capacity
 to solve and explain that which science cannot and does not attempt to
 do. We need more vision, more constructive imagination, if we would
 free ourselves from our present bondage to analytical and mathematical
 details, to statistical methods. The whole is always more than the sum
 of its parts and no collection of separate data, however complete, on
 the outward behaviour and characteristics of a person,  will ever
 reveal him as a living human being with a life purpose of his own."
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Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: MARS
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:44:23 GMT

s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:

>> Stacey writes:
>>As a final comment, would you REALLY tell a client that a planet they had was in its
>>fall? How useless! Why not tell them instead the problems and benefits of a planet in
>>a sign and to learn to love it, coz it's all they have. 
>>
>
>You do not go to a dentist to be lied to.  
>Good news astrologers are like dentists who never give fillings.
>The purpose of astrology is so that we know the effects of the stars and can
>handle them and counter them.  Its not all they have,ever heard of free will?

Yeah - but there's no point in giving disabling information.
I read out of Isabel Hickey, for myself - Jupiter squared Saturn - is a
"last chance" lifetime. I have Venus/Pisces/12 - I shat bricks for days,
until I decided maybe I could soften the implications without losing my
integrity. You have to give them hope - a lot of people have very little
experience with "free will".
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: mrcarl@carson.u.washington.edu (Mark Carlson)
Subject: Re: MARS References:
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:10:47 GMT


s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:

>> Stacey writes:
>>As a final comment, would you REALLY tell a client that a planet they had was in its
>>fall? How useless! 
> 

>You do not go to a dentist to be lied to.  
>Good news astrologers are like dentists who never give fillings.


>Yeah - but there's no point in giving disabling information.
>I read out of Isabel Hickey, for myself - Jupiter squared Saturn - is a
>"last chance" lifetime. I have Venus/Pisces/12 - I shat bricks for days,


>Dentists fix things too y'know.
>I was not suggesting that you knock your clients teeth out and then break
>their jaws.  I was just saying that Good News astrologers are basically
>*dishonest*. It is unpleasant but true.  
>You can slant the information but calling good good
>and calling bad good is just a load of rubbish.

Mark's comment:
Maybe we need to make a distinction between Good News and Positive actions
that one can take to help counteract whatever negative effects a chart
might indicate.  No matter how *bad* a chart looks, there is always, in my
opinion, some positive way of dealing with it.  I know a person who got a
reading who was told that she would either be killed or her life would
just be a living hell when Pluto went over her sun.  How helpful is that? 
And how does that astrologer know what exact events will take place?  I
think we need to be very careful about playing God with people's lives. 
Personally I don't think the role of the astrologer is to predict what
awful things are going to happen to their clients (maybe some are
masochistic and do like hearing horrifying news) but to give guidance as
to how to best use their energies positively to their own benefit.

I like Steven Forrest's quota about this, however, I don't have it in
front of me so I'll paraphrase:

There is no aspect or combination of planets that is so bad that hard
work and determination can't overcome it ; there is no combination so good
that laziness wouldn't spoil it

Mark


**********    On a clear day, rise and look around you    *******
   *  *             and you'll see who you are          **        *
   *  *    on a clear day, how it will astound you    *    *        *
   *  *         that the glow of your being          *      *         *
   *  * S          outshines every star!              *    *      **    * M
   *  * U    You feel part of every mountain,      *    **      *    *    O
   *  * N   sea and shore.  You can hear from far    *         *      *   O
   *  *   and near a world you've never heard before   *        *    *    N
   *  *  And on that clear day you can see forever more  *        **
**********                                                 *******


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From: RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Full Moon
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:21:34 GMT
 <1aq6drINN1kf@agate.berkeley.edu> <92279.161042RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
 <1992Oct6.082151.29222@u.washington.edu>

regarding "both the moon and the sun cause tides":

true, but the tidal effect of the sun is only half that of the moon, which is
insignificant anyway (as far as your brain is concerned, not as far as the
ocean is concerned, obviously).

if i give someone a hug, i'm exerting well over ten million times the tidal
force on that person than the moon (or the sun) is.  people don't go insane
when they get hugged.

a simple explanation of the moon's effect on behavior is this: when somebody
smashes their car into a tree under the full moon, "the full moon made him
smash his car into a tree."  when somebody smashes their car into a tree
at any other time, "he smashed his car into a tree."  in other words, people
NOTICE when weird things happen under a full moon.  when they happen at
other times, they don't really think about them.

if someone had made up a story about how the quarter moon effects your brain,
people would notice all the weird things that happen during the quarter moon
instead of the full moon.
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: aph016@cch.coventry.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: astrology-software for PC/MAC???
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:36:49 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1992Oct3.194011.19496@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de> PAYER@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (PAYER ANDREAS) writes:
>Hello!
>
>I'm am looking for astrology software for PC or MAC.
>I know an former version of astrolog 2.3, but as an 
>unexperienced user  I am specially  looking  for an
>programm with an detailed grafik output.
>
>Any suggestions or hints?
>Please respond to my e-mail address, if possible:
>                                       payer@dulruu51.bitnet
>                                       payer@rz.rzmain.uni-ulm.de
>
>Mit freundlichen Gruessen,   Andreas


ditto for me please

ozzy

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From: tito@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tito Domine)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Mars
Date: 8 Oct 1992 05:42:01 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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In article <1992Oct8.022408.8425@news.Hawaii.Edu> deb@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (David Barrett) writes:

>
>I have Mars conj Venus in Aries cross conj Moon in Taurus.  Believe me it is NOTa simple Aries Mars I deal with.  My Cancer rising feels twice where Mars rushesto tread.
>
>David B
> 

	Do you have the tendency to fall in love quickly ? And also to fall
out quickly ?

	Hmmm..... back to the daily grind of living in America ...

tito