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From: dusek@cadsun.corp.mot.com (James Dusek)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Motorola, Inc., Software Research and Development, Rolling Meadows, IL. 60008
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 18:13:28 GMT

jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Gregory R Block (bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu) wrote:
>: >Of course it was, unless you were running Windows 3.0 (not 3.1), specifically
>: >set to Real Mode.  Were you?
>: Eek.  Umm.  I don't know.  I do remember "turning off" protected mode.
>: Does 3.1 lack the capability?  That would suggest I was running under
>: 3.0, which may explain even further why it didn't work...
>On the other hand, you couldn't have been running 3.0, because you insisted
>that FastDisk was turned on, and 3.0 did not have FastDisk.  So which is it,
>Greg?

	Why don't you two take this to email, Amiga users really don't
care what versions of windows you are useing. As a matter of fact, do what I 
do and don't use windowns at all, just boot MSDOG and load apps from there.

James Dusek

of couse if I feel like playing minefield of solitare I'll load windowns.

James Dusek
From: m92mmy@tdb.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: POWER-PC  Info wanted !!!
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:26:19 GMT
Organization: My own place
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


Can anyone tell me something about the Power PC-project ?

I hardly know anything about it, is there any truth to the following:

Power-PC will have fast RISC-processors, actually they'll be
so blazingly fast that they'll be used to emulate other processors.
(running no specific operating system...of course ?)

Is there something else to this, some new hardware-"standard" or what ?

What does this mean to the future of the Amiga, and AmigaOS ?????

Thanks in adance (don't email, post here :^)

/Mattias


Question: Why do Windows NT have the same ugly look as Windows 3.1 ?

______
Mattias Myrberg

m92mmy@bellatrix.tdb.uu.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:17:15 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <1993Jan4.204108.367@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Michael van Elst (mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de) wrote:
>:
>: >I disagree.  Look at the size of today's applications, and you will too.
>: >If you need to multitask several of them, you need VM.
>:
>: I have to disagree. Exactly _when_ you want to multitask you also want to
>: avoid VM. Othwerise you degrade multitasking to a slow application switcher.
>:
>
>Hardly.  Do you have any idea how VM works, or what it does?  If you're
>talking about multitasking several CPU-intensive apps, a decent VM system
>can only help.  Yes, that's right.  The application's working set always
>remains in RAM, while the dormant part is swapped out, resulting in more free
>RAM for applications, WITHOUT any significant performance degradation.  This
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^
Oh, so VM only introduces INsignificant performance degredation, eh?
Really, Jerry, you need to take a course in real-time OS applications.

>means that you can multitask more CPU-intensive applications than you could
>on a system without VM while not lowering your performance.

If you are multitasking several CPU-intensive applications, then there
is enough performance degredation to begin with.  Geez, Jerry, pay
attention to what your saying before you start getting into how VM actually
speeds things up!

If VM allows more CPU-intensive applications to run, the machine will
run like a dog.  (the nature of CPU-intensive applications).  VM will
actually come into play less often because the machine will be doing
less ithings per unit time.

The benefit of VM is allowing more apps to run.  Period.  It can only
have a negative effect on performance, the effect may be large or
not-so-large, but it is inescapble.


>If you're talking about multitasking several non-CPU-intensive apps, well,
>VM could only be an advantage there, obviously.

Unless they are real-time in nature, then they won't use it.

>
>Seriously, all these claims of VM slowing down performance are absolute
>rubbish.  Take a course in OS design.

What you just said is pure rubbish, Jerry.  Ever run Unix in 4 Meg?
You'll get bored waiting for 'ls'.

Any program that has to periodically swap code segments will suffer
performance degredation in it's own execution.  It doesn't have
to affect other running programs (unless they get into contention for
the I/O system), but it is an inescapable fact that that program
will run slower than if it weren't swapped out.

The purpose of VM is to allow more program execution with smaller
amounts of memory.  There is a necessary negative effect on system
performance.

That effect may be minimized by applications locking down certain key
code segments (if possible), juggling priorities, etc, but
there will be an effect.

You have to stop the car to change the tire.
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Does reading this gr
Date: 12 Jan 93 12:22:18 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

[ Sorry to step in so late ]

In article <C05vuG.Ito@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>
>   A few years ago, when the Amiga was strong in the U.S. and the Atari ST was
>very weak, with the situation almost reversed in Europe, 

Marc, I accuse you of blatant lies: There was *never* such a situation as
you describe above. Yes, the ST came earlier than the Amiga and was cheaper,
so they sold more of them in the first days of both. But this happened
simultaneously on both sides of the pond, and got revised many years ago,
again on both sides of the pond.

I know that it's hopeless to appeal to Marc to straighten his "facts",
so I turn to the rest of the public here, who perhaps doesn't have years
of experience with Marc: DON'T BELIEVE A SINGLE WORD OF HIM.

-- 
Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
Wer's nicht kann, soll's bleiben klopfen oder Steine lassen!
From: cs922012@ariel.yorku.ca (GEOFFREY MARTIN CARMAN)
Subject: Re: Byte's Amiga 4000 review...
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:59:48 GMT

	Which months Byte had the review that sparked this thread?  I have
October, November, and December 92 and it isn't there.  I guesss january or
Febuary, but could someone confirm that please.
 
 
				Geoffrey Carman
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Truth about Iowa.....
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:59:56 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <Paula_Lieberman.07so@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>
>{more on the DLG editor -- SOME people can remember editing commands for
>more than a millisecond after having looked them up and them NOT being on
>the screen 

You have my full sympathy here. This is also the reason why I stick
to old editors and refuse to learn just another editor every second
day. I'm typing this in vi, and I know only ca. half a dozen of its
commands. And when some person wants to impress me with a statement
"and this editor is even Wordstar compatible", he misses his point,
I would never use such a product!

-- 
Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
Wer's nicht kann, soll's bleiben klopfen oder Steine lassen!
From: dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Mac is not ideal (was Re: Amiga OS weaknesses and strengths)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 01:44:34 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

In article lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
>	WorPerfect is so idiotical port that it really does have all
>the PC features of the same version, including printer drivers - no
>wonder the software never solf too well.

	Not to dote on WP, but how can a word processor use a printers
internal fonts(on my DeskJet 500 for example) if it doesn't include
its own printer drivers?  I'd still like a word processor that could
use the Times Roman internal font on the Deskjet, and properly space
it. I still have to take files over to a PC to print them, or else
use ProPage and wait 20 minutes per page.

 /  Amiga  ///    |  U.S.C. Trojans  | O Bar  | David Leslie        \
|         ///     |     Fight On!    | E O    |                      |
|     \\\///      |        --        | Meu    | dleslie@usc.edu      |
 \     \XX/ A1000 |     Go Kings!    | Lar!   |                     /
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: An Amigan does it *again* Re: clone prices & doom & gloom
Date: Tue,  5 Jan 93 17:35:44 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <jeremym.726120538@sfu.ca> <doiron.0kpz@starpt.UUCP>
  <1993Jan5.075245.23039@usl.edu>

>it would be sped up but gee-whiz graphics chips?  Hardly.  Wait, you Amigans
>DO have Civilization available for AmigaDOS, don't you?

Not only that, but you don't have to worry about having at least 500K
free of "special" memory. Any memory will do. Interestingly, there is
no advice in the manual that says "remove all TSRs and device drivers
before running".

You can't be bothered with a 640K limit with a powerful processor
like the 486 or P5, right? Tit for tat, Dan.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:14:19 GMT
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Jack Radigan (jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov) wrote:
:
: >: nor was VM added to BSD. VM is an intrinsic
: >: feature of any UNIX.
:
: >I thought UNIX did not originally have VM, and that the first UNIX version
: >to have it was BSD.  Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
:
:   Memory swapping has been in UNIX since the PDP/11.  BSD added demand paging,
: SVR4 has a hybrid of both schemes to reduce page faults.
:

Are you sure?  What's "memory swapping"?  Remember that we're talking about
VM, as in, virtual addressing (which gives you both demand paging and memory
protection essentially for free).  BTW, my suspicion on this matter comes
from the fact that the BSD kernel is called "vmunix" as opposed to SysV,
which is just called "unix".  Also, someone sent me mail saying I was right,
and that SysV didn't have VM until SVR2.

:   -jack-
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+-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+
From: borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: HELP--AMIGA OR IBM PC CLONE?
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:11:03 GMT
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway

In article <1993Jan11.170817.28834@athena.mit.edu> fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei) writes:
>You want
>14.4k? Fine, Supra FAXModem 14.4k internal for around $340-380.

I wouldn`t touch a Supra if I had other options. I just got a Scout+ for my
Amiga for $259 + shipping (external model).

>Francis
-- 
|/// borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest) | Amiga B2000			 \\\|
|//  Box 218, 9001 Tromsoe, Norway	  | Remember to :-) when needed	  \\|
|/   The worlds northernmost university	  | Life is worth living.	   \|
#Disclaimer: This university and me does not agree.
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: HELP--AMIGA OR IBM PC CLONE?
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 16:37:38 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan7.181112.29552@cs.olemiss.edu>
  <C0I9Kz.FoH@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>

>>Why don't you just call Creative Computers and get one?  I paid less than
>>$2800 before the price cuts and I'd bet that they are even less expensive
>>now.  It's as easy as calling Gateway 2000...
>
>Ease isn't everything!  First: How much customizing can you get with
>that?  Can you tell them the brand of hard drive, and the interface?  And
>the speed of the ram?  And the video card maker?  And the sound card?

(1) No, because the HD is standard with the 4000. Its whatever CBM
    decided to put in that day.  If you got a 2nd drive, I'm sure
    you could order anything you'd like.

(2) The interface? Of what? The GUI? Isn't that a bit of silly question?

(3) Speed of the ram. No, the ram that comes with it is appropriately
    mated to the processor.  Unlike many clones, CBM doesn't "cheat"
    by adding slow ram.

(4) Video card maker. Sure. There are probably a dozen different
    brands. Anything from the Video Toaster to Opalvision.  The
    great thing is the standard video of the 4000 is excellent. I'd
    try it first to see if you need improved grapics.

(5) Sound card. Yes. Several professional level boards are available,
    but as I've said before, try the standard sound; its probably
    appropriate for someone at the college level.

>And if you put these things in yourself, is it still under warranty?

Yes. The nice thing about buying from a dealer, however is that he
will probably install these for you if you buy the computer from him.

>
>And what exactly are you getting for your $2800.00? (US!!!)

A computer that is capable and fast.

Paul, its a pleasure to see you genuinely interested in buying
an Amiga.  The questions you've asked will help you make the best
selection among the various options available for the Amiga.

Welcome to the world of Amiga computing.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga OS weaknesses and strengths
Date: 4 Jan 93 11:43:16 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

MB is so objective: approximately 2 lines of Amiga OS strenghts, and
70 of weaknesses...:)

-- 
Jarkko Lindblad         | sleep my friend and you will see
lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi | that dream is my reality
------------------------| they keep me locked up in this cage
          - MetallicA - | can't they see it's why my brain say rage
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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: HELP--AMIGA OR IBM PC CLONE?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 16:39:45 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan11.200248.13542@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>

>You've been reading too much Motorola PR.  At least the 486 contains
>a complete implementation of the FPU and MMU; the same cannot be said of
>the '040.  What an upgrade.

Wow. So you're saying the FPU in the 040 is incomplete. And yet its
still faster than a 486 at floating point.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: HELP--AMIGA OR IBM PC CLONE?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 01:34:23 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

Ray_Hines@dream.uucp (Ray Hines) writes:

>Yup, they can indeed take all sorts of monitors, video cards, etc.  If
>you're REALLY into graphics power on the Amiga, go out and by a VIVID 24
>bit card with 4 co-processers.  The manufacture says it is faster than a
>$200,000 Silicon Graphics Workstation. Wheeeeeeeeeee!

	Of course, DMI are lying through their teeth when they
said this.  A Vivid can't even touch a 4 year-old $20K
IRIS much less a $200K IRIS.

--Andre

-- 
             Andre Yew andrey@cco.caltech.edu (131.215.139.2)
From: vexar@watserv.ucr.edu (Joe C Solinsky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Pro-Amiga Musicians
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:24:44 GMT

For Christmas, 
	I went out and bought a complete library of the Information Society,  
which is a techno-rock group (perhaps one of the first).  I also discovered  
little hints and clues that led me to believe that they are Amiga-oriented.   
Perhaps it was their song on the first album called "Good God!" that used the  
Amiga voice-synthesizer (something most of ust take for granted).  If that  
wasn't enough, I discovered Amiga hardware on their album cover of the second  
album, Hack.  There was an A500, an Amiga mouse, an Amiga backup of something  
(what, I don't know, but you can read the word 'Amiga' on it), and there was  
also a monitor, but I only have my ol' 1080, so I have not seen too many other  
Amiga monitors (that, and it had been spray-painted).
	But, to prove that they are pro-Amiga, listen to their song on the  
third album called 'Where would I be without IBM?'  Although the title is a  
misleading song of praise, the lyrics say otherwise.  When you compare IBM to  
fair-weather-friends and birth control, you aren't exactly saying that IBM is  
your favorite, now are you?  But, when you say that IBM makes decisions for  
you, that cannot be a good thing, right?  Although the song is not a direct  
base on the IBM, it does base on the IBM and similar forces, like the media,  
which shapes our minds (that is a bad thing, BTW).
	I welcome, challenge, and incite everyone else to contribute to this  
topic, since I have found IBM/Mac users listening to music and never  
considering the lyrics.  I even got one Mac advocate to buy Information  
Society's Hack album.  Who knows?  Perhaps with music, this nation (U.S.) can  
transcend to a higher mainstream.
-Joe Solinsky 
(Who once got a girl to go out with him by showing her how to solve a Lemmings  
level, developed a serious relationship with her, then convinced her to buy an  
Amiga!!!)
{If you are interested in scamming/dating techniques and how to utilize your  
Amiga, send me mail, and I will mail you back my definitive guide.  It works  
for me, so why not try it?  What's 30K of text going to hurt you with?}
From: bruce@zuhause.MN.ORG (Bruce Albrecht)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  More Amiga OS weaknesses and strengths
Distribution: world
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:41:09 CST
Organization: Society to Stamp Out Bogus Organizations

In article <1993Jan4.230059.4046@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>In <C0CJnH.4DL@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>   That would not fix any of the archives on the nearly 800 Fish disks, that
>>already have projects with hard-coded paths for the needed utilities.  
>
>Correct. Someone should invent a tool to restore icons to plain tool
>names.
There is one, it's called fixicons, and it's on a Fish disk.
--
bruce@zuhause.mn.org
Youth is wasted on the young.

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From: tempelma@cs.utwente.nl (Frank Tempelman)
Subject: Re: gl animations
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:55:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.100335.11068@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, miked@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Mike Danielsen) writes:
|> In article <jbickers.0mmu@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
|> >Quoted from <1ic8efINN28s@tansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk> by maufx@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr C L Eales):
|> >
|> >> Are there any gl animation viewers/converters on the amiga and if so
|> >> where can I ftp them from?
|> >
|> >    There are two and a half. AmiGRASP (by Koh Kian Beng) plays back a
|> >    PC GL file in HAM. GL 2.1 plays back an Amiga GL file that you
|> >    have to convert from a PC file. And GL 1.3 plays back a PC GL file
|> >    in LORES.
|> >
|> >    Your choices are basically, if you want to view the GL file
|> >    without conversion, get AmiGRASP. If you want to convert the GL
|> >    file, get GL 2.1.
|> >
|> >    Both programs (and I think GL 1.3 also) are available from
|> >    amiga.physik.unizh.ch.
|> >
|> >>   Craig Eales
|> >--
|> >*** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
|> >***    "Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk    ***
|> 
|> Maybe you can tell us where to get the pattern.library that is needed by
|> your programs, but isn't supplied in the archive?
|>               
|> thanks,
|> Mike Danielsen
You can get it from amiga.physik.unizh.ch and its mirrors in util/libs

Frank
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: davereed@wam.umd.edu (Michael Robert Bromery)
Subject: Re: RE: Babylon 5
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 08:58:30 GMT

    The news in the Washington/Maryland district is that all of these shows
including Deep Space 9 and babylon 5 is going to be shown on channel 20!!!
It used to be WDCA but I believe that Paramount has changed that and bought the
network space of the used to be WDCA channel. Now we got that PTEN station on
channel 20. It stands for Paramount Entertainment I believe. These shows are all
apart of the Prime TIME PTEN specials that will air these shows every weekday
at around 8 o'clock. On Mondays, we have Deep Space 9, on Tuesdays, the next
show they had on that list. I believe it is that Time trax thing. On Wednesday,
I believe it will be the Kung Fu show and on Thurdays will be the Deep
Space Nine show. These days aren't certain, until we have a regular schedule
on which show is on which day, I would say that you should watch this channel
every week day at 8 oclock to find out. I'm pretty sure thought, that Deep
Space Nine is on Mondays airing about two hours each time.
 Nope, it's not FOX alright, and that's a fact.
   THese are to be two hour movie=like episodes and not the half hour ones,
thus the week delay on the next episode for these shows. Deep Space 9
looked promising, you just have to get used to the new stuff and characters,
one episode should do it for you. The wierd fact here is that there are barely
any humans on Deep Space 9. Looking at the officers, we got quite a group of
mostly non-human people where you'd be surprised that they work on
the same team instead of fighting each other. After a while, the whole darness
 -- darkness of the situation becomes more and more lighthearted as you 
grow accustomed to the characters themselves.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: rnollman@osf.org ()
Subject: Question on Merlin board
Originator: rnollman@serverx.osf.org
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:26:37 GMT

I do have some questions relating to a recent post on the Merlin board:

>They say, Merlin will have a blitter on board, that does bit blitting,
>line drawing and area filling with up to 50 MPixel/sec. [I'd like to
>comment, that if the card is based on the ET4000/W32, this chip
>can't do free angular line draws or automatic filling into free
>form areas, only rectangular operations are supported. So either
>XPert lies once again, or they won't use the /W32.]

I am not a hardware person, so I have no idea what the significance of
"free angular draws" or "automatic filling into free form areas".  I
also do not understand why rectangular operations would be limiting (or
even if this assumption is true).  

I want to do alot of organic/character animation using spline patches.
Will this effect the ability to do this?

Is the card based on the ET4000/W32 chip?  What is the significance of
the /W32?

Rich Nollman
From: DonH@cup.portal.com (Don - Hirschfeld)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Imagine Workshop Book
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 17:12:57 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Understanding Image 2.0 is out of print since Sept 1992. There will be no
more printed. Steve is waiting for the release of V3.0 (maybe in April or
May) before writing the V3.0 book.
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From: john@heights.demon.co.uk (John Shiali)