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From: harri@camelot.bradley.edu (Thomas Friday)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: trivia
Date: 2 Jan 93 23:31:49 GMT
Organization: Bradley University

In <1315@blue.cis.pitt.edu> nahst6+@pitt.edu (Nathan A Horstman) writes:


#Some random questions:

#How does a stripper clip work?  Is it necessary?
#What type of action/feed system needs/uses one?

well, ive heard of stripper clips for use with SKS's, and these are
analogous to a speed-loader for, say, a revolver.. you load ammo into
the stripper clip, and then the clip is used to quickly load the gun.
(you dont actually put the clip into the magazine and leave it
there).. ive heard that surplus ammo can be bough on 10-rnd stripper
clips, but i havent seen any..

#How do drop-in magazines for the SKS work?  Are they as good as SKSes
#modified to take AK magazines? 

i bought a detachable 30-rnd mag (which actually holds 36 rounds) for
my sks.  if your gun orignally had a non-detachble mag, you need to
pop the trigger out to remove it, then put the trigger back in, and
then you cann use the detachable ones.. ive not seen any sks's
modified to use AK mags altho i suspect it would be less of a pain in
the ass than the SKS detachable mags ive seen.. (they arent the
easiest to insert/remove)..


#What type of 7.62 cartridge did the WWII M1 Carbine take?  Is it still
#produced?  Can any current 7.62 brass be cut down if need be and loaded
#for it?  (Am I even assuming correctly that it IS 7.62?)

the cartridge is called, coincidentally, .30 M1 Carbine.. :-) ammo is
widely available, so dont worry about making brass.. the case has no
shoulder; it looks almost straight-walled.  i believe with a 110 grain
bullet velocities would typically be around 1900 fps; i.e. not much of
a rifle cartridge, but pretty hot for a handgun. (revolvers in this
caliber were/are(?) produced by a few companies i believe)..

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From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: .380 Ballistics (was Re: .380 Bersa Quality)
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:07:27 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1hp7ngINNcc6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio) writes:
# ...
#	~95 gr at ~850-900 fps.  ~180 ft-lbs.   Better than .22 or .32,
                                                                    ^^
#but wimpier than anything else (except for that one cursed caliber
#which deserves no mention: .25 acp).

  Hmmph!  The ".32" includes the .32 H&R Magnum which has factory ammo
85-95 gr at 1100-1030 fps.  230-225 ft-lbs. 

  However I do agree with you about the .25 ACP which has 
35 - 50 gr at 900 - 760 fps.  63 - 65 ft-lbs.

--henry schaffer
From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Silver Soldering
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:00:42 GMT
Organization: Twilight Zone

In article <1992Dec17.230317.28404@btree.uucp> btree!andy@UCSD.EDU (Andy Bosik) writes:

#Hi! I heard a while ago somewhere that You can
#"Silver-Solder" a flash hider perminently to
#a barrel (As on a CAR-15 type rifle).

	Don't see why not...

#I was wondering,is this the same type of 
#"silver-solder" that can be bought at any
#Rat-Shack? Or is this a speacial heavy-duty
#grade?

	Probably is.  The critical question is melting point.  You COULD
	hard solder this, but that requires temperatures in the neighborhood
	of 1400 degree F.  To appyly this heat to a muzzle would draw the 
	temper out of the steel and your barrel would burst in short order.

	The soft, plumbers solder melts around 400-450 degrees, approx.  This
	would be similar to using lead solder except that the silver solder
	is less toxic and a bit tougher.  As to whether or not there is some
	special eutectic alloy for gunsmithing, I do not know.  Anyone?

	BTW a "eutectic" alloy is one where the proportions of one element to
	the other produces the lowest melting point.  In hard silver solders
	(Ag-Cu alloys) the eutectic is somewhere in the upper-mid 1300s, if
	I remember well).  Plumbers silver solder are Ag-Sn (Tin) alloys
	with a much lower melting point (and strength).

	-Andy V.
#
#
#
From: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 9mm cheapo car backup
Date: 29 Dec 92 01:49:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, emory!ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman) says:

Re: talk of one hole groups at 33 ft.

#You're a better man than me Gunga Din, I'm impressed when I can make all
#the holes *touch*.
 
Hmm, we may have a different def of "one hole group".  If all the holes
touch (i.e. producing one big, ragged but continious, hole) I 
call it a "one hole" group.
Perhaps I should refer to what I can do on my best days instead as
"one whole group".

If you mean "one hole, as in the target looks the same after the last
shot as it does the first, then I can do that also,

at a distance of one inch.

%^)
Jim "did I say feet?  I meant inches" Del Vecchio
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: re: Case Capacity of Mag. vs. Spl.
Date: 29 Dec 92 01:49:51 GMT
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)

If memory serves the main reason for the case length diff
between the spl and mag in .357 and .44 is to prevent
chambering say a .44 mag in a S&W .44 russian. The same is
also true for the .357 mag, it is longer to prevent cham-
bering in older .38 specials.
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From: steve@law7.daytonoh.ncr.com (Steve Bridges)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Colt or Springfield 1911A1
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:36:35 GMT
Organization: NCR Corporation -- Law Department

hays@SSD.intel.com (Kirk Hays) writes:

#In article <1992Dec27.155514.483@slammer.UUCP>, brad%slammer.UUCP@mathcs.emory.edu (Brad Isley) writes:

#|> They all went 8"
#|> high (the slide is now being milled to lower the rear sight to match the
#|> front sight height).

#(Since the rear sight is not part of the slide on a M1911, it is not necessary to
#modify the slide to lower point-of-impact, just the rear sight.  Better yet, get
#a higher front sight.)

On my Colt 1911 (it's a 1911, not a 1911A1), the rear site IS part of the
slide -- it's made (forged, cast, whatever) from the same hunk of metal as
the slide.

Steve
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From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: IPSC (was: Hi-Power mag safety)
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:52:14 GMT
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma

#p.s. Can anyone tell me who to write to get more info about IPSC??
#
#

    USPSA
    Po Box 811
    Sedro Woolley, WA 98284
From: chris@MorningStar.Com (Chris Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .22 target piston infor request
Date: 24 Dec 92 18:40:29 GMT
Organization: Morning Star Technologies

In article <28809@oasys.dt.navy.mil> wthomas@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Thomas) writes:
#
#sugesstions as to make and model?
#
#

Need some more info.  Competition or plinking? Revolver or Auto?

For a reasonably priced plinker, look at the Ruger MK II Bull bbl
and their single action revolver, which I can't remember the model for...
;-)

For competition, you will want something a bit better.

Chris Miller
chris@MorningStar.Com
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun blast noise in a car?
Date: 23 Dec 92 22:59:53 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <1992Dec18.060446.5222@netcom.com> harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp) writes:
}jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu (Jim Heath) writes:

}#6.  If you must frequent dangerous neighborhoods, some Lexan (tm) window
}#replacements might be worth considering (anyone know where to get these? 
}#What they cost?).
}
}This sounds interesting, but potentially very expensive.  (Based on
}what _normal_ car window glass costs.)  Then again, how much value can
}you place on safety?

Plain Lexan(tm) makes lousy car windows (or any kind of window).  It won't
break, but it will scratch very easily.  A few thousand miles worth of
road grit would probably make it impossible to see through.

The "transparent armor" they use on bullet-resistant executive cars and
such is a laminate with a layer of Lexan sandwiched between other, more
scratch resistant material.  It's _very_ expensive.  A typical windshield
will cost upwards of $5000, not counting installation. (Decent armoring
jobs start at around $40,000 -- BYO car).

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                "If you can't stand solitude,
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483  perhaps others find you boring
Santa Monica, CA  90405                        as well."  -- Mark Twain
From: googs@pravda.webo.dg.com (Joe Gugliemino)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: 7.62x25 Ammo sources
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:17:49 GMT




I bought a Cz52 at an auction last week, and I'm having the darndest
time finding ammo for it.  I'd wrongly assumed that with all the 52's
and Tokerev's being imported that all the big outlets would be selling
ammo for it.  Now that I've taken a closer look at the SGN ads I see
that the 7.62 stuff is actually 7.62x39, for the rifles, and that a lot
(most) of the Cz's and Tok's have been rechambered for 9mm.  Does
anybody know of an importer that I can buy bulk from?  I'm looking for
non-corrosive only - Beriden primed if it's real cheap, or Boxer so's I
can reload it.  Like I said, I've checked SGN, but I might have missed
an ad.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.


                             Later,

                             Joe Gugliemino

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From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: light .44 Magnum loads?
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:05:31 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <9212211532.AA05285@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov> weed@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (daniel weed 283-4162) writes:
#
#
#I don't understand something I read in my re-loading manuals.  I want to
#load up some .44 Special class loads in .44 Magnum cases for target
#practice, using jacketed bullets.
#
#Looking through the Speer and Sierra reloading manuals, I read NOT to load
#44 magnum jacketed bullets lighter than the minimum recommended load.

  Where do you see this?  I'm looking in Speer Reloading Manual Number
11, and on pages 404-408 for the 357 Magnum I don't see any such
comment.  In the beginning of the book it mentions that such powders
as 296 and H110 shouldn't be used in reduced loads (i.e. don't reduce
more than 10%) but I don't see any other mentions in .357 Magnum
or 44 Magnum (pages 426-429) sections.

  On each page it does say "Note: Maximum loads listed should be used
with caution."

#For example, a 240 gr jacketed bullet can be loaded to around 10.5 to 11.5 gr
#of W-231, but no less.  But looking at the same bullet in the 44 Special 
#loading, it is backed up by around 6 gr of W-231.
#
#So if I can load it with 6 gr in a .44 Special case, why can't I load the 
#same bullet with 6 gr in a .44 magnum case?
#
#The same warnings exist for 38 Special/357 Magnum loading data.

  I can't see why this would be.  I checked to see what the Lyman
47th ed says - and they give no such warning in the .44 Mag
section, but they do say "Do not use charge weights below the starting
load when using half-jacketed bullets as the jacket may become
lodged in the barrel (the lead cores may exit the muzzle and strike
the target).  Now they do give this same warning for both the .44 Mag
and the .44 Spl, and there is the same logical problem you raise.
Why wouldn't .44 Spl velocities work in a .44 Magnum?  The same 
warning is given for the .38 Spl, but looking at the 357 Mag there
is an interesting different warning, "When using half jacketed bullets
velocities must be kept above 750 fps. to prevent ..."  This makes
sense - although many of the .38 Spl starting loads give velocities
well below 750 fps.  Perhaps the .44 Mag was supposed to have a
velocity notation?
# ...

--henry schaffer
From: rielly_s@apollo.hp.com (Stephen M. Rielly)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: chinese 7.62x39
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:00:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA


I have shot a lot of suplus 7.62x39 in the past 3 years and
the best that I have come by is the East German police ammo
that is cuurently for sale. The chinese ammo is extremely
corrosive (the stuff in the tins) and in about one day rust
will appear on the gas tube of my rifle. The German ammo 
(1100rds/$140) is a little more expensive but it is much 
cleaner and more forgiving in cleanup. At any rate you 
should clean the rifle ASAP after shooting. it's not as
clean as American sporting ammo. The only major disadvantage
is that it does not come on stripper clips as some of the
Chinese stuff does, so loading is bit slower.

-Steve
From: evore@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Eric J Vore)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: airgun lubricant
Date: 23 Dec 92 02:31:57 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University


     On a somewhat unrelated note: I have found that some lubricants will 
"diesel" when their vapor is compressed by the piston.  This is probably a good
way to ruin an expensive airgun over time, but it does have the effect of 
greatly incereasing the power of your air rifle!
Eric Vore...
From: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Glock profit margins slim:  Retail below wholsale?
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:17:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)



It always seems like Glock is a gun I can't make any money selling.

I saw today in a sporting goods store, a new Glock .45 for $425,
when $430 is the best I've seen from any wholesalers.

	!!!???

Some G19s and 17s were going for $399, when $395 is the best I've
seen wholesale.

How can anyone make any money at this rate?  It seems impossible.

	The only answer that makes any sense, is that Glock, or 
their distributers, offer steep discounts for volume.  

Any clues on this?

Jim Del Vecchio
From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Hi-Power mag safety
Date: 29 Dec 92 01:49:46 GMT
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

In article <9212240001.AA09254@scorpio.ic.cmc.ca> keith@scorpio.ic.cmc.ca
(Keith de Solla) writes:
#I have a new Hi-Power that I intend to use for IPSC and I was 
#thinking about disconnecting the annoying magazine safety. 
#- how difficult is this to do? 
#- does it require a gunsmith? 
#- will it make the mags drop out easier?
#- is there any reason I should not do this?  (This is not a carry or
#  self-defence gun;  can't do that in the Great White North)

Everything I've ever read about guns has advised against disconnecting
ANY safety mechanism.  If you disconnect it and some damage is done by
the gun afterwards, your liability may be substantially increased.

   don
From: towle@vssteg.enet.dec.com (Clark Towle Gunsmith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Norinco M14/Mini14/SKS
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:59:39 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Dec17.035225.20733@nuscc.nus.sg>, swkmorri@nuscc.nus.sg (Perry Morrison (Dr)) writes...
#I'd like to hear people's views on the relative merits demerits of
#Norinco's M-14 copies, Mini-14 (.223) and SKS. I'm looking for a
#general purpose rifle for foxes, pigs and maybe even self defence---
#eventually. Please address reliability, accuracy, weight, cost (tough
#I know), cost to feed it, parts availability in general.
# 
#Any help GREATLY appreciated.
#perry morrison

 The Norinco M14 clones are garbage. The parts are soft, tolerences are lousy
and the threading is sized metric. This means that if anything ever breaks, 
you can't use a genuine GI replacement part. You'll have to find someone who 
stocks the Chinese parts. (Nessard).

 When the "genuine US Mil spec" clone kits appeared on the market myself and 
another good friend who is also a match armourer/gunsmith each bought a kit 
just to see if the fantastically low price was worth it. To make a long story 
short it wasn't. The worst part was trying to get the barrel to headspace. 
4 different US made aftermarket receivers were tried and headspace was unsafe 
in all of them. 

 The "bannana bill" stuff aside, Mini-14 is ok I guess if you just gotta have 
something that shoots 223 and aren't concerned about losing most of your 
brass. The "raunch rifle" throws the empties about 50 feet.. The biggest 
drawback to the Mini-14 is its woefully inadequate accuracy.

 The SKS?? Go for it... Definitely one of the best buys on the market. Its 
accurate enough for hunting, fires a round that's in the 30-30 power range, 
its a fun plinker, surplus ammo is as cheap as dirt, federal loads an 
excellent soft point hunting load, the rifle is like a Timex,,, it takes a 
licking and keeps on ticking.

 Out of the 3 you listed the SKS would be my choice.
From: rdrob@med.unc.edu (Ricky Roberson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Traveling with a gun
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:07:52 GMT
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine

Hi folks.  I posted to another group, got some really helpful information,
and someone also suggested that I post to this group as well. 
Here's my question.  I plan to be traveling soon, leaving NC, going
through SC, GA, AL, and into Mississippi.  I plan on carrying a handgun
for personal protection.  The gun will be a borrowed 9mm.  
My question is about the legality of carrying a handgun in a vehicle.
#From what I've heard, you're not suppose to "conceal" a weapon in a
vehicle.  
Anyway, any help would be appreciated.  Maybe someone can give me some
ideas on who to contact to get the information.  Would highway patrols in
the various states have it?

Thanks to all,

Rick
From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Recommendations for purchase, high capacity autoloader
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:07:35 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca

I'm a fan of the Ruger P85. I've had one for years with never any trouble.
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 9mmx19 powder choice?
Date: 31 Dec 92 01:25:55 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

rr@dymaxion.ns.ca (Rod Regier) writes:
#My favorite 9mmx19 powder is HS-6 (or its almost twin Winchester 540).
#Used it with bullet weights 88gr to 158gr, excellent performance.

	I went to the store planning to buy some 158 gr LRNs one day
to use in my 9mm.  The point of this whim was to minimize leading
with low vel (but high recoil) and to see what these long slugs would 
do in front of the 4.6 gr BE that I like to use with every load in
every caliber.  %^)

	Once there I decided they were too long and might cause
feeding problems.  Yours work fine?  What was the OAL and vel?
anyone else do it?

	Later I decided that the idea was a waste of time and that
there is nothing wrong with the 115-125 gr slugs that the gun is
intended to work with.

Jim Del Vecchio
From: erudnick@pica.army.mil (FSAC-SID)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Colt Detective Special
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:05:16 GMT


In the 20 Dec issue of SGN several distributors are offering NEW
production Colt Detective Specials - 6-shot, .38, 2", blue. This
has been rumored for several months in GUN WEEK.

So it seems that the quintessential "snubby" lives again, and just
in time for Christmas! Happy happy happy! Bang bang bang!


Ed Rudnicki     erudnick@pica.army.mil     All disclaimers apply
Protect the Second Amendment - boycott Ruger products
Geordi: "...it's like the laws of physics went right out the
window." Q: "And why shouldn't they? They're so inconvenient."
From: les@ulysses.att.com (Leslie Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Hi-Power mag safety
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:36:41 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ, USA

In article <1992Dec30.225158.15666@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
#cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) writes:
#
##For me, the Browning High Power is a combat pistol _par excellence_, 
#...
#
#	A lefty I know wants to buy his first centerfire pistol for a
#"fun gun" for use by himself and kids.  His two tenative qualifications 
#are 1) that it have a manual safety, 2) it has controls for lefties, 
#manual safety at the very least.
#He also indicated that he prefers SA.
[ ... ]
#The Browning standard with the molded grips seems like a good
#starter gun and very good gun in general, but I have a concern:
#
#1)  The standard has safety on one side only.  What models have the
#ambi safety, and how much extra work/cost is it to order an ambi
#safety for the standard model? 

Cylinder & Slide make ambi safeties for the High-Power, along with a
few other combat/IPSC type accessories.  Denny's lists their extended
mag release button ($21.95) ambi safety ($75.95) extended non-ambi
thumb safety ($38.95), extended slide release, combat trigger, reduced
power springs, and commander-style hammer.

They say that the ambi safety does require "some fitting."

Denny's Shooters Supply Inc. 800-747-3845

--
  - Les Johnson  (les@ulysses.att.com) 1+908-582-5493
       "One Bell System - It Works"
From: lion@netcom.com (carl loeber)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Mossberg 500 12 gauge
Date: 26 Dec 92 00:17:30 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I bought a 500 and after shooting at the range asked the same questions.

Some people don't clean them until they have a problem with the action.
From: Ken_Ziolkowski@transarc.com
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Reloading Bench Plans??
Date: 31 Dec 92 16:36:29 GMT


  Does anyone out there have a set of plans for
a reloading bench?

  Or know of where I can get a set?

  I just moved into a new house and have a nice
vacant space in the basement that needs filled.

  reply to kenz@transarc.com.

  Thanks.

Ken
From: grl@drutx.ATT.COM (Randy Lyman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Barrel hardness
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:17:44 GMT
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO


RE: Barrel Hardness
 
Bill Pate (PATE@VXC.UNCWIL.EDU) posted:
 
# I was not aware that barrels were tempered or even very hard. If they were,
# I think they would crack under the pressure surge of firing. Barrels bend very
# readily, which further leads me to believe they are not hardened and
# tempered like tools. . .
 
My father in law builds model cannons from scratch.  His coworkers
(other tool makers like himself with some knowledge of firearms)
warned him to use cold rolled steel, not tool steel, for his barrels
so that they would bulge and not crack in case of overload.
 
Another data point I might add:  My dad's uncle had in his extensive
Winchester collection a .22LR rifle that had been bent when a horse
fell on it.  The muzzle was about a half a foot over from where
it should have been.  There was no evidence of the barrel cracking
as a result of this severe bend, and up until a few years ago this
gun was on display in the lobby of a small bank in Provo, Utah.
 
Uncle told me it was "good for shooting around corners!"   :-)
 
Randy Lyman		grl@drutx.att.com		"I'm the NMLRA!"