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From: jeff@athena.lkg.dec.com (Jeff S. Tyler)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: 200-mile rail network under study in Vermont.
Keywords: Rail study
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:29:21 GMT
Distribution: usa

dtyler%jt_home.uucp@amber.athena.lkg.dec.com (David Tyler) writes:

>200 MILE RAIL NETWORK UNDER STUDY IN VERMONT.

>State officials are currently studying a 200 mile train loop that would
>attract bussiness and tourists. The route: Burlington, Montpelier, White
>River Junction, Bellows Falls, Rutland and Middlebury. 

>Currently, money is being passed and a study will be done on the
>feasibility of the train. A report is due next month.

>(All what is above is directly from the Sunday Telegram, none of it is
>opinion)

I should note that Dave is talking about the Worcester Mass Sunday
Telegram, he sometimes forgets that we all don't live in central Mass.
(he's also my son :-)#

I also saw this piece in the Sunday Boston Globe with an additional bit
quoting a Vermont state official to the effect that the Federal dollars
are there and that the track is there and they are optimistic about the
chances of doing this.  It's interesting to note that Vermont did a pretty
good job of preserving the in-state portions of the old Rutland when she
died in 1961.  With the exception of the "island route" and some trackage
in the southern part of the state most of it's still there and in use.

It's interesting to compare this to New Hampshire's record on former B&M
branches and even "Main Lines".  Does anyone know the current status of the
Concord NH - White River JCT VT. line ?  State owned ?? ripped ?


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From: raveling@Unify.com (Paul Raveling)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: CSRM Inside Track News, August 17
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:47:51 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)


	News excerpted from the California State Railroad Museum's
	internal newsletter, the CSRM Inside Track, follows.
	Everything is a direct quote except the item titles and
	anything I've interjected in square brackets.


    TLC for NWP 112?
    ----------------

	Dave Dorrance from the NWP Historical Society was by Wednesday.
	Their group hopes to launch a major fund raising campaign
	this fall for cosmetic restoration of our NWP 4-6-0 No. 112
	[one of the steamers housed in the CP Passenger Station].


    Silver Screen Seeks Sacramento Southern
    ---------------------------------------

	Former ABC cameraman Jeff Wilkins out of Los Angeles arrived
	on the SSRR Saturday afternoon, pacing our train in his
	automobile...stirring up a cloud of dust...heading south
	on the bike trail below Miller Park!  After a discussion
	about filming etiquette on our property, Jeff filmed in the
	Museum and from the cab of SN 402 for Pentrex Productions'
	1992 video of U.S. excursion railroad operations...adding
	to initial footage they already shot here last month.

	[another SSRR note:]  CSRM has acquired an ex-U.S. Army
	kitchen car near Abuquerque for use on the SSRR.


    Tracks for transit & trains
    ---------------------------

	Directory Gray has appointed himself as CSRM representative
	to Regional Transit's South Sacramento Corridor selection
	committee...choosing between UP or SSRR's right-of-way.

	The cross bucks went up on our new SSRR grade crossings
	at Sutterville Road and South Land Park Drive.  Local residents
	are now starting to take notice...SSRR is coming!


------------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@Unify.com
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org
Subject: Re: Via
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:33:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.151458.17134@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
inky@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (barbara.l.leone) writes:
 
>
>I have travelled the northern and southern routes
>on Amtrak and have enjoyed it...I would appreciate
>any information on train travel across Canada on
>the Via.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Barbara Leone
>
VIA runs the "Canadian" three days a week between Toronto and Vancouver via
Winnipeg, Edmonton and Jasper.  They have recently upgraded the service.  The
train typically sells out months in advance (especially in the summer).  East
of Toronto, you can connect to it by Amtrak from New York or by VIA from
Montreal or Ottawa.  An overnight stay in Toronto may be required - I forget
the schedule details.  Amtrak NY-Toronto of course runs once a day;  VIA runs
I think 6 trains a day between Montreal and Toronto and I think 4 a day from
Ottawa.  If you want a TRULY transcontinental trip, you can take a VIA train
between Halifax and Montreal overnight any night except Wednesday.  The service
alternates day;  one day it is the "Ocean" via Campbellton, the next the
"Atlantic" via Saint John.   If you liked Amtrak, you'll LOVE VIA!!  ENJOY!
 
 
Len Bachelder        Archives Committee, Boston and Maine RR Historical Society
MITRE Corp.           Secretary, Massachusetts Bay Railroad Enthusiasts
Bedford MA 01730      Member, 470 Railroad Club
<M00209@mbvm.mitre.org>
 
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                                                 - Charles Wesley
From: R.Todd.Minsk@dartmouth.edu (R. Todd Minsk)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Northern RR of NH (was Re: 200-mile rail network under study 
 in Vermont.
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:54:09 GMT
 <jeff.715966161@amber.athena.lkg.dec.com>  
 <CB.92Sep8191537@oddjob.mitre.org>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <CB.92Sep8191537@oddjob.mitre.org>
cb@oddjob.mitre.org (Christopher M. Byrnes) writes:

>  Does anyone know the current status of the
> >Concord NH - White River JCT VT. line ?  State owned ?? ripped ?
> Some, but not all, of the track north of Concord and south of Wells
> River was reported torn up earlier this year.  The State of NH was
> making noises about the charter for this railroad specifying return to
> the state upon abandonment, but no serious effort to stop the removal
> of this track (which hadn't been used in years) from proceeding.

During the past summer I walked this line in segments over several
weeks (between rainstorms!).  Between Gerrish (a station in Boscawan)
and Webster Place (part of Franklin, I think) is lifted, about three
miles, which is between Concord and Franklin. Except for a few rails
missing in odd places and most grade crossings paved over, the track is
otherwise intact but severly overgrown with trees and in some places
submerged due to no drainage maintenance for ten or more years.  The
removed segment closely parallels Route 3; apparently Guilford simply
needed the track components somewhere else and was not interested in
the expense of tearing up the less acessible parts.  

My belief, subject to correction, is that the State of New Hampshire
owns the right-of-way and the track is owned by Northern Railroad of
New Hampshire (an almost wholly-owned Boston & Maine, now Guilford,
subsidiary).  Also, an AT&T fibre optic buried cable is under the west
side of the right-of-way for the entire 70 miles.

Todd Minsk, ferro-bibliographer
From: rrw@elden (Robert Wier)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Highlights from the first episode of "Tracks Ahead"
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:53:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Originator: rrw@elden.cse.nau.edu

From article <1992Sep07.040200.11335@mixcom.com>, by Joe.Russ@mixcom.mixcom.com (Joe.Russ):
> 
> After seeing a preview showing of the first episode of the new "Tracks
> Ahead" series, here is what will be featured in that episode:
>  
> Episode 201 (the first one)
> Prototype: Lake Superior & Ishpemming Railroad ore operations.
> Model: The S scale American Flyer layout of Ron Schlicht of
> Greenfield, Wis.
> Personality: Country music singer Box Car Willie
> Special: The Swiss Transport Museum in Lucern, Switzerland.
> Rail Minute: Alexander Mitchell
>  
  Having a satellite dish, I was watching the new season program announcements
  going out to the PBS stations early in the summer (maybe June?), and
  caught "Tracks Ahead".  They indicated that this was a very popular,
  although somewhat narrowly focused program and that they were expecting
  a lot of PBS affiliates to pick it up.  They showed about 10 minutes of
  one episode and it looked interesting.  If your PBS station isn't clearing
  it (that is, putting it on the air), give 'em a call about it.

 - Bob Wier

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From: sou4501@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Tim Trebing)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Amtrak Stations
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:31:30 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1933kuINN952@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema) writes:
>
>In a previous article, gurd@next04wor.wam.umd.edu (Daffy Duck) says:
>
>>"RENOVATED STATIONS ARE FUELING THE REBIRTH OF RAILROADS"
>
>   I heard somewhere that Amtrak is looking at some way of moving back into
>St. Louis Union.  The station has been rebuilt into a mall of sorts, and
>Amtrak has been using an Amshack about 1/2 mile south, but there complaints
>about such an uninspiring entry to the city (who could argue with that?)  
>Does anybody know if anything more has come of it?  Also, has someone finally 

To my knowledge, and having lived in St. Louis all my life, I think it is
fairly reliable, St. Louis Union Station will never be reopened to Amtrak
trains, for the simple reason that Amtrak doesn't want to have to mess with 
the time/hassle of backing trains into the station.  Most of the trains that
serve St. Louis are run-through, making the back-in procedure that much more
of a bother.

The last I heard as far as an imrovement of what already exists, was a sort of
combined station which would not only be the stop for Amtrak, but also the
bus depot (greyhound, I believe) and a station stop for the new light rail in
St. Louis.  The station would be about 1/2 mile west of the current Amshack,
and would be very close to the Union Station mall.

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Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: inky@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (barbara.l.leone)
Subject: Via
Keywords: Train Travel
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:14:58 GMT

I have travelled the northern and southern routes
on Amtrak and have enjoyed it...I would appreciate
any information on train travel across Canada on
the Via.

Thank you.

Barbara Leone

Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: Joe.Russ@mixcom.mixcom.com (Joe.Russ)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Has Milwaukee Road 261 left Green Bay?
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:55:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.


Does anybody know if Milwaukee Road S-3 261 left Green Bay for the
Twin Cities yet? I heard it was "suppose" to leave on Sept. 1, but
haven't heard anything.
 Joe R.
 WISE Div., NMRA
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From: rrw@elden.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Black Mesa & Lake P. gif
Date: 13 Sep 92 10:32:35 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ
Originator: rrw@elden.cse.nau.edu

I've just put a photo of the Black Mesa and Lake Powell 
Electric Railway in our ftp area for anyone who would
like to retrieve it.  It's a 256 color gif.

Some background: The BM&LP runs between Black Mesa
and the power plant at Page, Arizona.  It is a single
commodity railway hauling coal to the plant.  There
are no connections to any other lines.  It is widely
regarded as a test bed for electrification of US railroads.
Notable features are concrete ties and pantograph pickups.

One myth which is disproved by this photo is that the
engines are entirely automated and run without crews.
Well, one guy sure waved at me from the cab when he
went past :-). One of the problems of photographing the
BM & LP is that their runs always seem to be scheduled
on the Black Mesa end at sunset. These pictures were pretty
dark, and had to be adjusted somewhat, so this one might be
a little fuzzy...

Incidentally, I noted today that virtually ALL of the 
ATSF track maintanence equipment for the Northern Arizona
segment was at the Flagstaff station today.  This includes
cranes, track grinders, tampers, etc.  I went over and
took a whole roll of 24 prints.  When I get 'em back
and see if they came out (should - it was a nice sunny
day today) I'm scan some of those in if anyone is
interested.

You can anonymous ftp from:

          ftp.nau.edu (134.114.64.70)

in the directory geo (file name BMLP.gif) - don't forget
to use the right capital/lower case letters and transfer in
binary (image) since this is a .gif file.


ENJOY!

 - Bob Wier

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Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Metro North minor derailment yesterday
From: Robert Chambers <RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 15 Sep 1992 10:45:03 EDT
Organization: CUNY/UCC VM Systems

I saw on the news last night that the Metro North Waterbury train (spur
from NY-NH mainline) derailed just south of Waterbury.  Luckily the
FL9 and two coaches remained upright.  No details as to why this
happened though.

Robert
From: gjs@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Gregory Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: SG&I...what is it?
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:14:09 GMT
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs

In article <18u623INNph2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> elw4@po.CWRU.Edu (Evan L. Werkema) writes:
>
>   The CMStP&P 0-6-0 1416 on display at Evansville, IN mentioned in Wes Barris'
>_List of surviving US steam locomotives_ is not lettered for Milwaukee, but 
>instead as "SG&I"  #12.  Does anybody know what the initials SG&I stand for,
>or is it a fictitious road the city thought up?  (This isn't as unlikely as
>it sounds...ATSF 2-8-0 2546 on display at Marceline, MO, Walt Disney's boyhood
>home, is lettered for the "Santa Fe and Disneyland Railroad."  Ack!)
>
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If memory serves me correctly, there is an ex-SP 2-6-0 in Tuscan, AZ
with the words Southern Comfort on the tender.
From: BHARPER@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU (Bruce B. Harper)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: MS,LA railroad
Date: 15 Sep 1992 14:10:31 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

> From: wadams@ece.cmu.edu (William Adams)
> Date: 14 Sep 92 21:42:54 GMT
> Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon

> Back around 1840, a group of retired military engineers helped to
> construct a railroad between Francisville, Misssissippi and Woodville,
> Louisiana.  This railroad was probably used to haul Mississippi cotton
> down to the Mississippi River.

> Among these engineers was a great uncle of mine, Major John N.
> Dillahunty.

> If anyone knows ANYTHING about this railroad, I would greatly
> appreciate hearing from you.

> Bill Adams, CMU


   If you can come up with a name for the railroad, that would help.
 There are a number of sources available that could then provide some
 information.
   If the railroad were somehow connected with the Southern Railway, then
 a primary source of information might be available.  The Norfolk &
 Western Railway Archives and the Southern Railway Archives are housed
 here in the Special Collections Department of the University Libraries
 here at Virginia Tech.  The archives contain the records of these two
 railroads and many of the predecessor companies.  Records include minutes
 books, correspondence, reports, contracts, etc.
   Another source of information (but not a whole lot of detail) is the
 Interstate Commerce Commission.  There are many summary reports produced
 by the ICC that you might find on file at the library there at Carnegie
 Mellon.  These reports might provide at least some information about the
 miles of track, the amount of rolling stock, and freight and passenger
 figures.  That is at least a start.
   While you are in the library, do a check on the privately published
 business manuals.  _Poor's Manual of the Railroads of the United States_,
 published by Poor's Railraod Manual Co., New York, contains a listing by
 state of railroads, with a capsule history, description of the line, and
 other details that make for interesting reading in itself.  The 1907
 edition that I have used is the 40th edition, so it started publication
 in the late 1860s.
   While doing your check for the ICC records and the Poor's manuals, do
 a search on _Railway Gazette_ to see if you can find any from that time
 period.  This publication reported many construction projects in great
 detail, so that might be another source.
   Yet another source is the state corporation commission or the public
 utility commission records for Mississippi and/or Louisiana.  There would
 be at least a record of the railroad being charted to do business in each
 state, with information about who the officers and stockholders were.
   Good luck.
                                   Bruce


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From: tom@drutx.ATT.COM (MaddenTC)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Three questions
Keywords: K brakes, dates, colors
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:17:22 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Denver


Couple of questions for the net:

1. What's the date when cars equipped with K brakes were no
longer accepted for interchange?

2. When did the stripe colors on crossing gate arms go from
black/white to the current red/white?

3. Not strictly RR, but related to #2: when did highway stop
signs go from yellow with black lettering to the current red
with white lettering?

Thanks

Tom C. Madden
___________________________________________________________ 
Thomas C. Madden                                                    
AT&T Bell Laboratories                                
11900 North Pecos St.                              
Denver, CO 80234               These are my opinions only!! 

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From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: railroader museums etc in Santa Monica?
Date: 14 Sep 92 07:50:09
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: wiebe@ut-emx.uucp's message of 10 Sep 92 16:36:11 GMT

On 10 Sep 92 16:36:11 GMT, wiebe@ut-emx.uucp (Anne Hill Wiebe) said:

> We are going to Santa Monica, California the last weekend in
> September, and wonder if anyone knows great railroad-connected
> things to see in Santa Monica ... it will be a late Saturday
> afternoon, my husband the railroad buff will arrive at LAX
> 3:36pm with nothing to do but meet me and my daughter and friend
> later in the evening.  Any thoughts?  He'd just love a railroad
> museum, or are there any great engines parked there to see,
> etc.?

Alas, there are no railroad museums there, but if you know where you're
looking, there's a bit of history.

If you go to Colorado Blvd, near 20th St., you will see a set of railroad
tracks. These tracks used to be used by the Santa Monica Air Line, of the PE
routes. 

If you go up to San Vicente Blvd, you'll notice the wide street. Former PE
route.

If you go through the tunnel where I-10 turns onto Pacific Coast Highway: That
used to be a railroad tunnel.

If you go to where Santa Monica Blvd ends at Ocean Ave, you'll find a plaque
commemorating the end of Rt. 66.

If you expand out of Santa Monica, there's always the fabulous LAUPT (Union
Station), downtown near Chinatown and Olivera Street; Travel Town in Griffith
Park; the terminus of the first LA subway, near Beverly and Glendale (near the
site of Aimee Semple McPherson's 4-Square Church), the former PE
powersubstation in Culver City; the L.A. Blue Line; and (my favorite), the
Orange Empire Railway Museum in Perris CA, south of Riverside (about 1.5 hours
from LA).

Daniel
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From: nagurney%uhavax.dnet@ipgate.hartford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Melbourne to Ballarat
Date: 11 Sep 1992 09:06:28 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I'm planning a multiple conference trip to Melbourne in
December.

Is there still rail service between Melbourne and Ballarat?
If so I need to leave Melb... on Monday AM and return Wed PM?

Please respond directly since our newreader server is still down.

Thanks and I'll put a prawn on the barbie for you!

Lad Nagurney

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From: rogerm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Roger Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:34:22 GMT
Subject: Re: re: Great Western Railway in Colorado
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA