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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.mbu-l
Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:12:33 EDT
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was cyselfe@WALKER2.HU.MTU.EDU
From:         "(Cindy Selfe)" <cyselfe@MTU.EDU>

Megabunnies--

Those of you attending the upcoming NCTE conference in Louisville might be
interested in the following announcement I got from Shirley Haley James,
past pres. of NCTE.  She is engaged in an international initiative within
the Council--one incidently that she sees as being connected directly with
NCTE Net and with the use of e-mail on a global level.  In my opinion,
she's a great nomadic, feminist, cyborg guerilla!

If you know of other lists that this should go on, please pass it along!
Thanks.

"INTERNATIONAL CONNECTIONS THROUGH NCTE: CURRENT ACTIVITIES AND UPCOMING
 OPTIONS" All NCTE members who attend the Annual Convention in Louisville
in
 November are invited to attend a program session on NCTE's current and
 upcoming international initiatives. The session will be presented Sunday
 morning, November 22, at 8:30 a.m. in room 217 of the Convention Center.
 Discussion topics will include the International Consortium NCTE will
launch
 early in 1993.


Cindy Selfe

  Cynthia L. Selfe
  Humanities Department
  Michigan Technological University
  1400 Townsend Dr.
  Houghton, MI  49931

    Internet:  CYSELFE@MTUS5.CTS.MTU.EDU
    Telephone: (906) 487-2447
    Fax:       906/487-3347
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.mbu-l
Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 10:43:35 CDT
From:         "(ellis)" <nse2@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Textra

Doyle, are you referring to Norton Texta?
Nancy Ellis
nse2@ra.mstate.edu
Mississippi State Univ
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-VMS-To: BITNET::"mbu-l@ttuvm1"
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.mbu-l
Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:48:00 EST
From:         "Rhoda Carroll, Vermont College,
              Montpelier" <RHODA%MUNIN@NORWICH.BITNET>
Subject:      Aural, oral, and peer editing

To Michael Day and others, YES, I *always* add an aural/oral dimension
to peer editing sessions.  Sometimes I ask peer editors to read
their partner's essay; sometiems I ask students to read their own
essays. The "evidence" that I have about the efficacy of this process
is purely anecdotal. Some students are amused/intrigued when they
"discover" something (present or missing) through this process. ANd
I am comforted by the sound of people working together -- the murmuring
of innumerable bees -- but that may just be me.  And P.S., our
typical comp class has 20-22 students.

Rhoda Carroll
Rhoda@Norwich.Bitnet
From: jim@american.edu (Jim McIntosh)
Newsgroups: bit.admin
Subject: Re: Someone's local gateway is leaking...
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:03:55 GMT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

In article <1992Oct12.211209.15484@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
chohan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harpal Chohan) says:
>Something called "AWIWUW11.bitnet" is leaking a bunch of local gatewaying...

The people in Austria who are allowing the local posts onto the network
have been contacted. They promise to stop the leak.
---
Jim McIntosh (jim@american.edu)
The American University
Washington DC 20016-8019 USA
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: bit.admin
Subject: What to do about fail reports?
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:10:00 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England


Whenever I post to the Usenet group bit.listserv.novell, I get a fail  
report from ext.missouri.edu.  It seems to be delivering to a cc:Mail
system and to have gone wrong in the gateway.  The LISTSERV is at
Syracuse (wherever that is), and this is the only fail report.  In any
case, I am posting to Usenet, not sending it to the mailing list.

But the real problem, the problem that has made me post to bit.admin, 
is that even after (politely) pointing out the problem to 
postmaster@ext.missouri.edu (who sent the fail reports), I have got no 
response and I still keep getting these fail reports.  What am I supposed
to do in this case?  Let me say once again that I am posting to a Usenet
group, we are not a BITNET site, and I have no time to get involved in
BITNET!

If someone in the BITNET world could sort this out, I'd be very grateful,
and so I'm sure would all the other people who've been posting to the 
list and probably getting fail reports as well!

Thank you.
--
Alasdair Grant, MVS Systems Group / Small Systems Integration Group
University Computing Service, Cambridge, UK          +44 223 334447
From: jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (doc)
Newsgroups: bit.admin
Subject: Gateway for MDPHD-L under discussion
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:10:53 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Hi,
I am the list owner for the mdphd-l listserv list.  The readers of
the group and I would like to open a bi-directional usenet gateway
for this list.  The proposed name for the newsgroup would be
bit.listserv.mdphd-l.  This list is for the discussion of dual
degree academic programs (M.D. combined with another advanced degree,
usually the Ph.D. or sometimes M.S., M.A., M.B.A., J.D., etc.).
I hope there are no objections.  Thank you.

Jim Marco
doc@uiuc.edu
MDPHD-L list owner
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:25:31 EDT
From: Roger Burns <BFU@CU.NIH.GOV>
Newsgroups: bit.admin
Subject: Gateway for CFS-L under discussion

I am the owner of the Internet list CFS-L, the Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
discussion group based at LISTSERV@NIHLIST . I wish to gateway this
newsletter to an unmoderated newsgroup to be called
bit.listserv.cfs.discuss. I also wish to gateway CFS-L to a newsgroup
called sci.med.cfs.discuss which should take over from
bit.listserv.cfs.discuss once the sci.med.* newsgroup may be approved.
The description of the CFS-L list is as follows:

 This discussion list seeks to  serve  the  needs  of  persons  with
 chronic   fatigue  syndrome  by  enabling  a  broad  discussion  of
 CFS-related  topics.   Subscription  is  open  and  the   list   is
 unmoderated.   Please  note  that  any advice which may be given on
 this list regarding diagnoses or treatments,  etc.,  reflects  only
 the  opinion of the individual posting the message; people with CFS
 ought to consult with a licensed health care  practitioner  who  is
 familiar  with  the  syndrome.   CFS is an illness characterized by
 debilitating fatigue and  a  variety  of  flu-like  symptoms.   The
 condition  is  also  known  as  chronic  fatigue  immune deficiency
 syndrome (CFIDS),  myalgic  encephalomyelitis  (ME)  and  by  other
 names, and in the past has been known as chronic Epstein-Barr virus
 (CEBV).

Roger Burns      bfu@cu.nih.gov / bfu@nihcu.bitnet
Editor, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Electronic Newsletter
Listowner, CFS-L discussion
CFS-NEWS and CFS-L, both on LISTSERV at NIHLIST.BITNET or LIST.NIH.GOV
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:23:03 EDT
From: Roger Burns <BFU@CU.NIH.GOV>
Newsgroups: bit.admin
Subject: Gateway for CFS-NEWS under discussion

I am the owner of the Internet list CFS-NEWS, the Chronic Fatigue
Syndrome Electronic Newsletter based at LISTSERV@NIHLIST. I wish to
gateway this newsletter to a moderated newsgroup to be called
bit.listserv.cfs.newsletter. I also wish to gateway CFS-NEWS to a
newsgroup called sci.med.cfs.newsletter which should take over from
bit.listserv.cfs.newsletter once the sci.med.* newsgroup may be approved.
The description of the CFS-NEWS list is as follows:

This independent newsletter seeks to  serve  the  CFS  community  by
quickly  disseminating information about current medical research on
CFS.  It will be issued between 1 and 4 times  each  month  to  give
updates  on these developments.  Other CFS topics of interest to the
readership will also be covered.  Advice and contributions  of  news
items   are   welcome.   Chronic  fatigue  syndrome  is  an  illness
characterized by debilitating fatigue  and  a  variety  of  flu-like
symptoms.   The  condition  is  also known as chronic fatigue immune
deficiency syndrome (CFIDS), myalgic encephalomyelitis (ME)  and  by
other  names, and in the past has been known as chronic Epstein-Barr
virus (CEBV).

Roger Burns      bfu@cu.nih.gov / bfu@nihcu.bitnet
Editor, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Electronic Newsletter
Listowner, CFS-L discussion
CFS-NEWS and CFS-L, both on LISTSERV at NIHLIST.BITNET or LIST.NIH.GOV
Newsgroups: bit.admin
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Someone's local gateway is leaking...
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:57:38 GMT

AWIWUW11 also seems to be leaking bit.listserv.gnuemacs, which is a
silly thing to gate given that all the traffic is on gnu.emacs.* anyway.
--
Christopher K. Davis      |       NET.INSIGHTS INTO ARTISTIC CRITICISM:
<ckd@eff.org>   EFF #14   | ``[Y]ou don't cure bad art by locking it all up
System Administrator, EFF | in one museum, you cure it by throwing tomatoes
+1 617 864 0665  [CKD1]   | at bad artists.'' --Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com>
Newsgroups: bit.admin
From: chohan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harpal Chohan)
Subject: Someone's local gateway is leaking...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:12:09 GMT


Something called "AWIWUW11.bitnet" is leaking a bunch of local gatewaying...

bit.listserv.pc-ip
bit.listserv.gaelic-l
bit.listserv.geograph
bit.listserv.compos
bit.listserv.crtnet
bit.listserv.fwake-l
bit.listserv.cadlist

and maybe more.

-h
Newsgroups: nj.misc
From: yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo)
Subject: Re: Traffic court: anyone been there?
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:37:24 GMT
Distribution: nj
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <Oct.9.15.54.25.1992.8664@aramis.rutgers.edu> rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart) writes:
>
>You might as well forget it - with the cop pulling out, he probably
>had to go 73 to catch up to you. This exact same thing happened to me
>in South Jersey a few years back - I was in fact moving at between 50
>and 55 - the cop claimed I was going 68. I went to court - had to
>drive 1.5 hours each way, 3 times - the first 2 times, the cop wasn't
>there. The 3rd time, he was. He lied on the witness stand. Every
>question I asked him was objected to by the prosecutor, and sustained
>by the judge. In the end, the judge said - Mr. Rinehart, I'm not
>saying you lied. I just don't believe you told the truth. Guilty.
>
That is interesting.  In the past, I got a speeding ticket in
NY state.  I asked for the "sworn deposition" and never got it.
I went to court and the cop never showed up.
The judge instantly dismissed the case and I went home.

What are the rules in the case where the cop doesn't show up
for the trial?  Surely, they cannot have you running back and forth
to court forever!
(But knowing the bureaucracy of the court system, I guess I should not
be surprised.)
 
-- 
Ralph Yozzo (yozzo@watson.ibm.com)  
From the beautiful and historic Mid-Hudson Valley area of NY state
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From: boubez@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu (Toufic Boubez)
Newsgroups: nj.misc,nj.politics
Subject: Traffic court: anyone been there?
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:46:48 GMT
Followup-To: nj.misc
Distribution: nj
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Hi. I've been issued a speeding ticket on the NJ Turnpike. The ticket says
that I was "paced" at 73mph, which is preposterous, becuase I saw the
unmarked car at the side of the road, saw it pull out into traffic, and
there was _NO_ way I was going that fast, since I monitored my speed all
the while he was behind me in traffic. Whether he clocked me before with a
radar gun or not is not the issue. The ticket says "paced at 73mph", and
it's complete baloney (I wasn't going 55, for sure, but with the flow of
traffic, maybe around 60-65, like everybody else). Anyway, I'm going to go
to court. The only thing I have going is that I had my wife in the car with
me.  We both noticed the police car on the side of the road as it was
pulling out. Now to my question(s): Has anybody been in traffic court to
fight a ticket? What are my chances, What's a good tactic, Is there any
required reading before I go plead my case? Any info would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks.

toufic
            R 2 4      Toufic Boubez
            |_|_|      boubez@cesl.rutgers.edu
            | | |      Computational Engineering Systems Lab
            1 3 5      CAIP Center, Rutgers University, NJ
From: rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart)
Newsgroups: nj.misc
Subject: Re: Traffic court: anyone been there?
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:03:48 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Oct13.153724.100583@watson.ibm.com> yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes:

> In article <Oct.9.15.54.25.1992.8664@aramis.rutgers.edu> rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart) writes:
> >You might as well forget it - with the cop pulling out, he probably
> >had to go 73 to catch up to you. This exact same thing happened to me
> >in South Jersey a few years back - I was in fact moving at between 50
> >and 55 - the cop claimed I was going 68. I went to court - had to
> >drive 1.5 hours each way, 3 times - the first 2 times, the cop wasn't
> >there. The 3rd time, he was. He lied on the witness stand. Every
> >question I asked him was objected to by the prosecutor, and sustained
> >by the judge. In the end, the judge said - Mr. Rinehart, I'm not
> >saying you lied. I just don't believe you told the truth. Guilty.

> That is interesting.  In the past, I got a speeding ticket in
> NY state.  I asked for the "sworn deposition" and never got it.
> I went to court and the cop never showed up.
> The judge instantly dismissed the case and I went home.
> What are the rules in the case where the cop doesn't show up
> for the trial?  Surely, they cannot have you running back and forth
> to court forever!
> (But knowing the bureaucracy of the court system, I guess I should not
> be surprised.)
> Ralph Yozzo (yozzo@watson.ibm.com)  


In NJ, the rules appear to be that you keep coming back until the cop
shows. Of course, there's good reason why a judge will not throw such
a case out. He's looking out for the best interests of those who pay
him - and who knows, maybe in NJ, the judges get a kickback (oops, I
mean commission) for all such bullshit cases. In any case, my
experience and that of most everyone I know who's been thru the
municipal court system in NJ, is that cases rarely get thrown out
because a cop doesn't show - several times. Just another in a long
line of legalized extortion rackets perpetrated on the public in NJ by
the thieves of the legal system, most, if not all, of whom are
lawyers. I suppose that extortion is acceptable in NJ, as long as the
*right* people are doing the extorting. 







Mark
From: rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart)
Newsgroups: nj.misc
Subject: Re: Traffic court: anyone been there?
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:54:25 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <Oct.8.15.46.48.1992.16463@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu> boubez@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu (Toufic Boubez) writes:

> Hi. I've been issued a speeding ticket on the NJ Turnpike. The ticket says
> that I was "paced" at 73mph, which is preposterous, becuase I saw the
> unmarked car at the side of the road, saw it pull out into traffic, and
> there was _NO_ way I was going that fast, since I monitored my speed all
> the while he was behind me in traffic. Whether he clocked me before with a
> radar gun or not is not the issue. The ticket says "paced at 73mph", and
> it's complete baloney (I wasn't going 55, for sure, but with the flow of
> traffic, maybe around 60-65, like everybody else). Anyway, I'm going to go
> to court. The only thing I have going is that I had my wife in the car with
> me.  We both noticed the police car on the side of the road as it was
> pulling out. Now to my question(s): Has anybody been in traffic court to
> fight a ticket? What are my chances, What's a good tactic, Is there any
> required reading before I go plead my case? Any info would be greatly
> appreciated. Thanks.

You might as well forget it - with the cop pulling out, he probably
had to go 73 to catch up to you. This exact same thing happened to me
in South Jersey a few years back - I was in fact moving at between 50
and 55 - the cop claimed I was going 68. I went to court - had to
drive 1.5 hours each way, 3 times - the first 2 times, the cop wasn't
there. The 3rd time, he was. He lied on the witness stand. Every
question I asked him was objected to by the prosecutor, and sustained
by the judge. In the end, the judge said - Mr. Rinehart, I'm not
saying you lied. I just don't believe you told the truth. Guilty.

There's not much you can ask when it comes to a pace. It's basically
your word against the cop. You might try to introduce the idea that
it's feasible that the officer had to go 73 to catch up to you,
because he was at a dead stop or coasting as you passed him. In my
case, the cop stated that he paced me for 1.5 miles. The fact was he
had someone else pulled over as I passed him, and he pulled me over
exactly .6 of a mile down the road. He lied about that on the witness
stand. In my case, I believe I know why I got the ticket. It
was Christmas night, 1987, and he pulled me over for 2 reasons - one,
I was driving an IROC-Z28 Camaro; two, to check me for drunk driving.
Speeding never came up in our conversation until 20 minutes after he
pulled me. By that time, he was able to determine for himself, what I
had told him initially - I didn't have anything to drink that
day/night, BECAUSE I knew I had to drive and there would be lots of
cops on the road looking for exactly that. 

Speeding and municipal courts in NJ are NOT about reality and truth.
They are about LYING COPS and MONEY. It's the single biggest legal
scam in this country.


Good luck. Let us know how it comes out.

Mark
From: mattk@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (matthew.kaufman)
Newsgroups: nj.misc
Subject: Re: Traffic court: anyone been there?
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:04:22 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T

In article <Oct.8.15.46.48.1992.16463@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu> boubez@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu (Toufic Boubez) writes:
>Hi. I've been issued a speeding ticket on the NJ Turnpike. The ticket says
>that I was "paced" at 73mph, which is preposterous, becuase I saw the
>... etc
>pulling out. Now to my question(s): Has anybody been in traffic court to
>fight a ticket? What are my chances, What's a good tactic, Is there any
>required reading before I go plead my case? Any info would be greatly
>appreciated. Thanks.
My one experience with traffic court was a failure - I argued a 'failed to yield'
at a confusing intersection with a certifiable bozon coming the other way. No
accident, and amusingly said intersection now has a stop rather than yield
so there's no doubt.

Umm, one of my coworkers called the court clerk when he was nailed for 70 in a 40
and it turns out its easy to plea-bargain the points. 73 vs. 55 is 4 points, 
you can probably get it down to 2 without much thought. Generally speaking,
if you go to court you will lose. Be humble and contrite to these beaureaucrats.
The system is setup to benefit the
cops (they're automatically expert witnesses, you're not, for instance,)
and no judge ever wants to preside there. If you can get the points down,
I'd just as soon pay and forget about it. 2 points shouldn't affect insurance
(not true if you already have points on the license.)
Face it - traffic summonses
are a major source of revenue for the state and local townships and are
one of the major detriments to the quality of life in this state. Thank gods
they defeated the photo radar stuff.
-- 
"I am the chosen one."  | Copyright 1992 mattk@usl.com. Permission for
                        | reproduction in printed media or by pay-for-read
"And I Choose to be     | services explicitly disallowed. Permission granted to
shopping!"              | USENET and like free facilities.
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From: a9812@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL ANGEL)
Newsgroups: nj.misc,nj.market.misc
Subject: Re: Canadian Brass Tickets
Date: 11 Oct 92 21:52:43 GMT
Followup-To: nj.misc
Distribution: nj
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

I've been cleaning out my bookcase in preparation for a year-long jaunt to

Japan, folks, and I was hoping someone out there would like to have a gander

at what has been made available.



Please email me at:   a9812@moncol.monmouth.edu   to let me know which ones

you'd like.



Title                         Edition Publisher               Year  Condition

=============================================================================



_UNIX System V Release 3:             AT&T                    1987       NEW

User's Reference Manual_



_UNIX System V Release 3:             AT&T                    1987       NEW

Owner/Operator Manual_



_UNIX System V Release 3:             AT&T                    1987       NEW

System Administrator's Reference Manual_



_UNIX System V Release 3:             AT&T                    1987       NEW

System Administrator's Guide_



_The Developing Person Through

Childhood And Adolescence_       2nd  Worth Publishers inc.   1980       V.G.       



_Social Psychology:

Understanding Human Interaction_ 4th  Allyn and Bacon inc.    1984       V.G.       



_Introduction To Psychology_     8th  Harcourt Brace Jovan.   1983       V.G.



_Introduction To Psychology

(studyguide/workbook)_           8th  Harcourt Brace Jovan.   1983       V.G.

   

_Foundations of Mod. Sociology_  4th  Prentice Hall           1985       O.K.



_Human Development_              3rd  Alfred A. Knopf         1985       V.G.



_Understanding Psychology_       3rd  Random House            1981       V.G.



_Writing From Sources_                St. Martin Press        1983        G.



_Western Civilization:

Vol. 1(To 1789)_                 2nd  Houghton Mifflin Co.    1985        P.



_Western Civilization:

Vol. 2(1600 +)_                  2nd  Houghton Mifflin Co.    1985        G.



_Mathematics For Elementary

Teachers-A Contemporary Approach_     Macmillian Pub. Co.     1988       V.G.



_Myths In Education_                  Allyn and Bacon Inc.    1979        G.



_Biology Lab Exercises_               Kendallhunt Pub Co.     1987       V.G.



*** The UNIX manuals are $6.00 each or $20 for the whole set.  The pages have

    never even been turned these books are so new.

    Make an offer for the others and email if you want more info on any.

    a9812@moncol.monmouth.edu

    Have a really great day and be good!
Newsgroups: nj.misc
From: emc@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (eric.m.cunard)
Subject: INVESTOR WANTED
Keywords: $30,000 4yrs 7%
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: nj
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 04:58:42 GMT

******************************************************************************** 	I,m looking for a investor to hold a mortgage note worth

        $50,000 in return for a short term loan- $30,000 for 4yrs                      
         at 7%. Thats about 4 to 5 percent above the bank rates.

         Any way the rate and term are flexible, so if anyone is 
                         
         interested give me a call and we can work out the details
                    
                               thanx in advance, Eric 908-974-1583

******************************************************************************** 
Newsgroups: nj.misc,nj.market.misc
From: gold@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Ed Gold)
Subject: Canadian Brass Tickets
Summary: Concert Tickets
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corp. -- IC Group
Distribution: nj
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:21:12 GMT

For Sale:

	(2) tickets for the Canadian Brass, Saturday, October 17, 1992

		8:00 PM at Morris Knolls High School, Denville, NJ

		"Classics, Pop, and just the right amount of comedy"

	This is a Friday Evening Club concert.

	Tickets cost me $35 ea, now yours for $50 for the pair!

	Excellent seats! Free Parking!



-- 
Edward Gold, P.E.	
Mentor Graphics Corp., IC Group		gold@Warren.MENTORG.COM		
15 Independence Boulevard		...!uunet!sdl!gold	
Warren, NJ  07059			(908) 580-0102