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From: gpb@gpb-mac. (greg berryman )
Subject: Re: Fundamentalists and the clitoris
Organization: SPS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:54:53 GMT

sunderl@obvius.stl.dec.com (Mike Sunderland) writes:
: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) writes:
:   [much stuff delete] 
: 
: >OF COURSE the Religious Right's "Abstenance based" sex education would
: >never mention such a Godless untruth!  If it ever did, God help us,
: >women would become like men, seeking pleasurable experiences!!!
: 
: >If God had wanted women to enjoy sex, he would have given them a Penis!!! 
: 

: What a load of dingo's kidneys!!!!
: If you weren't so bloody defensive you might be able to have enough sense to
: see how silly it is to make such gross generalisations. I don't know much
: about the 'religious right' because I don't live in the good ol' USofA, but
: 
: Mike Sunderland			sunderland@obvius.stl.dec.com
: Customer Support Centre
: Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty Ltd
: Sydney Australia

Oh, Mike.... He _did_ say the **Religious Right's "Abstenance based"**  etc.
Since you are lucky enough to not know much about the Religious Right why
not take a less combative stance?  What he said was pretty close to the way
that I see it from here too.

--
These words, opinions and mistakes are mine alone... not Motorola's.
gpb@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com     ____     B0 f-- g- k+ s m h- r p 
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Motorola                     \/                Austin, Texas, USA
From: rrizzo@star-trek.bbn.com (Ron Rizzo)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: German chaos continues
Date: 11 Nov 1992 23:35:36 GMT
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: archive.bbn.com
Keywords: neo-Nazi, Germany, bigotry, immigrants


Folks,

Neo-Nazi violence continues on an almost daily basis in the not-so
united Germany.  To date more than 1,800 neo-Nazi attacks and acts
of vandalism have occurred.

In the recent national remembrance of the horrors of Crystal Night,
a night of terror launched early in Hitler's rule, a large public
demonstration of 100,000? deteriorated into chaos as anarchists became
violent.  Within almost minutes of the close of assorted public
demonstrations around Germany opposing neo-Nazi violence and the
continuing existence of Nazi sentiments among Germans, neo-Nazi
skinheads launched loud demonstrations of their own, and in the
east German port city of Rostock, whose mayor had withdrawn his public
apology for neo-Nazi assaults, violence against immigrants occurred
yet again.

German officials and politicians are now worrying that the neo-Nazi
violence is taking on a definite political character, as the violence
shows signs of increasing organization.  The neo-Nazi Republican Party
polled 10 per cent of the vote in the last election and now has repre-
sentatives in the legislature.  In response the 2 largest parties have
caved in to neo-Nazi-led demands to restrict immigration.

There are even public comparisons being made to the Weimar republic of
the 1920s, whose weak grip on the country was dissolved by increasing
political chaos, as it became helpless to stop extreme rightwing and
leftwing groups from literally fighting in the streets.

Today there was evidence that members of the German army have taken part
in neo-Nazi riots, having trained on Army bases with neo-Nazis in prepa-
ration for such riots!  People now have begun to wonder how much neo-Nazi
sentiment there may be in the army.  Up to today I think most observers
wouldn't have believed that the military could be a hotbed of neo-Nazi
activity.

Other European countries are now beginning to wonder how stable Germany
actually is or will remain.

Meanwhile, a poll in Italy showed that when asked if they favored an
Italy without Jews (Italy has a tiny but famous Jewish minority that is
one of the most integrated in Europe), 10% of Italians answered "yes."
But questions were raised about the poll's validity and methods.

As in North America European far-right and neo-Nazi groups are also
violently opposed to homosexuality and lesbianism.  Though they seem
content for now to focus on the relatively "safe" and explosive issue
of immigration from poorer parts of Europe and the world in order to
increase their popular following and political power.

Finally, in the USA there are signs that Clinton will make an aggressive
programs to combat racism & bigotry as well as urban decay a top priority
of his early days in office.  While Europe worsens politically it looks
like the US has begun to reverse its dangerous drift into intolerance
and political insanity.


Regards,
Ron
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From: may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com (Elaine May)
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Reply-To: may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com
Organization: HP Corporate Engineering - Palo Alto, CA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:59:54 GMT

Laura Creighton (laura@hoptoad.uucp) wrote:
: My two lesbian friends who run a resturant in Boulder like tourists,

Will you please let us know which resturant this is?  [Or send me e-mail?]
I'm going to be in Colorado around Christmas and would like to patronize
the good guys' places.

--
Elaine May                               Hewlett-Packard Corporate Engineering
may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com		         Palo Alto, California
------------------- Hatred and Bigotry are immoral ---------------------------
From: kellyc@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: US Electorasl system (Re: Boxer Campaign Needs Your Help!)
Date: 3 Nov 92 17:57:34 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <1992Oct29.003822.21972@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
 
> BBC, crossing out Gore while voting for Clinton.


Can you do that and still keep your vote valid?

In this country, any mark on a paper other an expression of ordered preference 
for a candidate would be invalid. When the returning officer sits downwith 
candidates agents to sift through the `doubtful' papers, deciding whether or 
not they are valid, there are regular rows about this kind of thing.

And, while I'm at it...I know that today's election is strictly to the 
electoral college, and that formally the new US president won't be elected 
until next January, but what is/are the system(s) used _within_ the individual 
states to elect the members of the electoral college? Are these the same across 
the US or is it like the elections to the European Parliament where each state 
uses its own method?

And furthermore... during the last US presidential election I saw an article 
on the other candidates running for president (The US equivalent of the 
greens, Sinn Fein, The Raving Looney Party, the Communist Party etc, I 
suppose) and it was accompanied by a sample ballotpaper from some state.
What I couldn't figure was, that Dukakis' name was on it four o five times, 
apparently representing different parties, including the Democrats and the 
Liberals.  What was happening, can anybody say?

Cathal

---------------------------------------------
|     Cathal Kelly                             
|     Ollscoil Luimnigh (Uni. Limerick),    For the benefit of 
|     National Technological Park,          the non-Irish the
| IRL Limerick                              't' in 'Cathal' is       |
|                                           silent and the name      |
      (Ireland)                             is attached to the       |
                                            male of the species.     |
      kellyc@ul.ie                                                   | 
                                --------------------------------------
From: lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Louie Crew)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado Addresses
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:49:04 GMT
Reply-To: <lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax) writes:

>As to Coors advertising in the Advocate - boycott the Advocate until
>they pull their Coors ads.

Which one of us is au courrant?  A gay bishop just called me to say that 
Coors is making many financial contributions to lesbigay causes to distance 
the Company from bad decisions the Coors family had made for many years.
The bishop also told me that the Coors family no longer has any control over
the decisions of the Coors Company.  

Is he wrong?

I'm not going to give up my martinis for a bloated tummy, but I do want to
know who my enemies are.

Louie/Quean Luti

-- 
  ==========================================================================
  Louie Crew, Assoc. Prof., Academic Foundations Dept., Rutgers U./NWK 07102
  lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu                                   201-485-4503
                            Closets are for prayer!
From: gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nevada was: (Re: Colorado)
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:31:50 GMT
	<1992Nov5.234222.23279@nevada.edu>
	<1992Nov6.210457.22124@ncselxsi.uucp>
	<1992Nov8.030742.29854@nevada.edu> <BxDrA5.66q@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu>
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University

I once saw a whole bunch of "burn fags not flags" bumper stickers in a store.
I'm glad I saw them, too, as I was about to make a purchase. I proceeded to
take my purchase and one of the stickers to the counter and demaded to speak
with the manager. I told her I was offended by the sticker. She asked why.
(Duh!) I explained that I'm gay, and so are 10% of her customers. I pointed
to what I was going to buy, added up the total (about $50) and explained that
she had just lost that much of my money because of those stickers. I then
stormed out of the place.

The happy ending is that as I was leaving I looked back in the store window
and saw the manager removing the stickers from the rack.
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From: broughton@lambda.usask.ca ()
Subject: Re: Show biz power
Reply-To: broughton@lambda.usask.ca ()
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:59:10 GMT

In article <1da04iINNpv4@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
|>Warner/Chappell Music Inc. signed Elton John and
|>Bernie Taupin to a music publishing deal in which
|>John and Taupin will be paid $39 million up front.
|>Now how much was it that Warner/Chappell paid
|>Madonna to administer *her* catalogue?  Oh yes, they
|>paid her a paltry $10 million.  Seems to me that
|>Elton John and Bernie Taupin are *four* *times* more
|>important than Madonna.
|>
|>Arne

Actually only +twice+ as important. You have two divide the $39 million by 2
first! :-)

Darrell
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From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Ugly sounds
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:24:55 GMT


In article <mattm-041192170330@mcmelmon.apple.com>, mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
|> In article <Bx5H8C.HyH@fig.citib.com>, glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
|> wrote:
|> 
|> > |> So why don't you?
|> > 
|> > I'm bored.  You're a distraction.
|> 
|> So which is it, Pootsie?  Laughably ineffectual or a distraction?

Let's try it again.  Your attempts to insult
people are ineffectual - like this "Pootsie"
stuff. You're trying to insult me by calling
me by a pet name and you can't even get the
name right.  Even if you *did* get it right,
it wouldn't have any effect.  

Watching these ineffectual attempts have 
been distracting, like watching a small
dog bark at horses or George Bush call
Al Gore "Ozone".

I don't think I'll watch anymore.  I don't
get pleasure out of watching people trotting 
out their neurotic needs in public.  It's
embarrassing.  There was a post a while back
by Joe Francis talking about some Benneton
ads that you make me think of:  

|> ....showing people out of control (being born, putrefying, vomiting, at
|> the peak of orgasm) is an intimate experience that you should have a
|> choice over sharing because it is so powerful. Not be confronted
|> intentionally while walking to the subway. 

Or reading News.

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Xref: sparky soc.motss:47277 talk.politics.misc:59857 ca.politics:9547
From: Minotaur@cup.portal.com (A Frank Swilling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: How Many Homosexuals?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 19:49:11 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <101698@bu.edu>

Brian Kane uncovers the secrets lives of straight boys:

>The fact remains that 30% of the men reported being passive in anal
>intercourse at least once, but only 4% of the men reported engaging in
>gay sex at least once.

>Doesn't this strike anyone as just a wee bit strange?

>Brian

It's not so strange when you realize those boys answering the survey
didn't consider fisting to be "gay" sex.

;-)

Frank
Minotaur@cup.portal.com
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From: rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo)
Subject: Re: Homosexuals raising children
Organization: New York University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:23:38 GMT

In article <BxM8Cz.Jp0@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:

>I finally said "I'm gay" to my 9-year-old son, after a few years of
>beating around the bush talking about having a "very close
>relationship with Bill", and "being partners with Bill, just like
>I used to be partners with your Mom."  I hoped I was getting something
>across with the latter two, but now I'm not so sure, because when I
>said "I'm gay", my son immediately started to try to find ways to deny
>it.  I think he's gotten the idea real clearly from his peers that
>gay = bad.

Mike's story (and all too many others like it) are yet another good argument 
for the "Children of the Rainbow" curriculum which New York City has now
introduced in its public schools, and which is being bitterly fought in 
several districts.  The idea is to introduce the concept of diversity in 
families as early as the first grade with "Daddy's New Roommate" 
and "Heather Has Two Mommies" as required reading.  By the way, Lambda 
Independent Democrats of Brooklyn is having a strategy meeting tonight to 
see about putting up alternate candidates in those districts which have 
reacted negatively.  I guess we're just  following Pat Robertson's 
advice to  start at the local level!

Emily
From: AH.PBL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Date: 12 Nov 1992 12:15:38 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov12.190312.7118@ncar.ucar.edu>,
gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>jc> Jon Cornick
>gs> Gary Strand
>
>gs> Quite frankly, I'm irritated and ashamed that his personal tragedy can be
>    so cavalierly exploited for potential political gain. Aren't there better
>    arguments available besides this one? It's cheap and tawdry, and hardly
>    respectful of the man.
>
>jc> This is a sad commentary on the value of a dying mans final words.  When
>    will we learn to respect the value of life.
>
>  Your point? A very troubled man commits suicide and blames it on CFV and the
>  passage of #2. Note that he attempted suicide 4 months before, so it wasn't
>  like his life was perfectly ok but #2 suddenly changed all that. However,
>  some people have seen fit to use this man's suicide in a coldly exploitative
>  way to get their wish, namely, repeal of #2. It takes a very low ethical
>  belief system to do something like this. It's sad and pathetic.

  Maybe he wanted it used for just such a purpose?
From: colemk@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Matthew K Cole)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Sailor Reinstated
Date: 13 Nov 1992 16:14:28 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: colemk@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Matthew K Cole)
NNTP-Posting-Host: o200c-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1992Nov12.193954.6037@u.washington.edu>  
jtroxel@carson.u.washington.edu (Joseph Troxel) writes:
> According to what I heard on NPR they've agreed to give him his old job
> back "while he pursues the case in court." Since the judge threatened to
> issue a contempt of court citation against the Defense Department, this
> sounds like a hedge to allow them to comply with the judges order and
> yet not agree to let him back in permanently.

I agree.  I heard this morning on the Today show that the Navy or  
Pentagon, I am not sure which, was quoted as saying that they would never  
repeal their ban on gays in the military.  They even went as far as to say  
that even if Clinton lifts the ban they will not comply.  I guess I have  
been operating under the false assumption that since the President is the  
Commander in Chief of all armed forces, that what he says generally goes,  
whether he says go and fight in the desert or let gays into the military.

Matthew
From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: News From the Front -- Boulder
Keywords: fund/consciousness raising
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:04:36 GMT
Reply-To: ailanth!ailsa@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

jtroxel@carson.u.washington.edu (Joseph Troxel) writes:

> In article <1992Nov10.010119.25192@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob
>
> >>>It was rumoured that the campus organization has designed a T-shirt
> >>>     "Don't shoot, I'm actually a Black Bear"
> >>>printed over a large pink triangle (In reference to the black bear
> >>>ordinance which overwhelmingly passed in Tuesday's election #10)...
> >>>black bears have more rights than we do...
>
> >>Regarding the T-shirt--it struck me as a great
> >>way to raise funds, and perhaps some consciousness, if such a T-shir
> >>(that also included brief text explaining its meaning, i.e. bear pro
>
> I'll take two. Gimme an address and the check's on its way.

hey!  me too!  only, just one t-shirt.  i'm moving to boston, and need
to conserve funds.

but do PLEASE post an address to get these shirts!

                                                  -ailsa

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                    ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com
                                                        ________
I don't care what consequence it brings,        Silence \      / Action
I have been a fool for lesser things.              =     \    /    =
                                                 Death    \  /    Life
                                                           \/
From: maffray@imag.fr (Frederic Maffray)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado Blues
Date: 7 Nov 92 21:56:15 GMT
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France


#> msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen) writes:
#
#>I watched some of the international coverage on election night.  There
#>was a program where they showed clips from Russian, Italian, Spanish,
#>British, German and American television.  Some of the clips were subtitled or
#>voiced-over, but the host, who was quite cute, did some
#>simultaneous translation from English, Spanish and Italian.  It was also 
#>charming to hear him say "Bill Clinton" (instead of "Beel Cleentow")
#>in his adorable British accent (when he was speaking English)...

Ahhh... ALEX TAYLOR....  One of the few reasons for watching
TV here.  What a cutie!

Watching him introduce The Avengers every morning at 10 --
including an episode where crazy ophtalmologists try to kill
Mrs. Peel with a laser -- was the hightlight of my summer.

(And rumor has it he's family.)

---
Frederic Maffray



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From: may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com (Elaine May)
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Reply-To: may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com
Organization: HP Corporate Engineering - Palo Alto, CA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:22:22 GMT

May I suggest "Never Buy Colorado" as the name of an organization
organizing the boycott?  There is a well-publicized "Always Buy Colorado"
group that is an association of Colorado companies.  IMHO, such an
organization would work far better from within Colorado than from
outside Colorado.

A disgusted Colorado Taxpayer,
Elaine May                               Hewlett-Packard Corporate Engineering
may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com		         Palo Alto, California
------------------- Hatred and Bigotry are immoral ---------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: discrimination at CMU
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:50:18 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1drjnnINNm7g@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
wrote:

> Nonsense.  If an actor were to copy *my* voice and physical
> mannerisms while playing Stanley Kowalski, I wouldn't hesitate
> to give him a big, fat F.  The sexual orientation of the student
> actors is not what's in question here.

  STTEEEEWHHHAAAAA!  STTTTEEEEEWWWWAHHHHHHH!!!

or,

  I've never known a woman what didn't know she was attractive...
  but if you ask me - a deeper shade of rouge would help.  And
  those eyelashes - GIRLFRIEND!  Where did you get those eyelashes?
  And that lipstick!  Deep purple is simple *not* your shade.  
  I mean - is it anyones?  And look at that rag you're wearing...

*X*
(you know... that just might work!  Stanley Kowalski vs. Blanche
DuBois - Queens from Hell.  Hey!  Hey!  

  What do you think you two are, a couple of queens?

It's in the play...) 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: Twice Fucked (Colorado gays)
Organization: International Irony League -- Death before smileys!
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:11:38 GMT

In article <16906@umd5.umd.edu> jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>On Wednesday I told a friend that OR:9 was defeated,
>but I was upset that CO:2 had passed.  "But", he
>said, "the Colorado amendment wasn't nearly as *bad*
>as the Oregon amendment, was it?"  He got quite an
>earful for that remark.

But... but... he was right, wasn't he? CO-2 isn't nearly as bad
as OR-9. OR-9 would have mandated state homophobia, and made it
required curriculum in state-run schools. CO-2 just struck down
antidiscrimination laws. CO-2 is bad, but OR-9 would have been
much worse.

So what did your friend say that was out of line?
-- 
Andrew M. Solovay	    "Until there was rock, you only had God."
					--Ziggy Stardust

#include <disclaimer.h>
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From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Subject: Re: A Dumb Question, But...
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:04:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.145830.3142@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>In article <BxA8Mp.3qB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Rockville) writes:
>>  Do keep in mind that a Republican administration won the
>>Civil war.
>
>Yeah, but they considered abolitionists to be radicals 
>and tried to get them out of the party.  The Republican
>president suspended civil rights in Maryland in 1861,
>declaring martial law although a state of war did not
>exist, suspending habeas corpus, and arresting members of
>the Maryland legislature on their way to a meeting.  The
>Republican Party has never been a friend to civil
>liberties.

The Maryland state anthem begins,
    "The despot's heel is on thy shore, Maryland my Maryland.
     His torch is at thy temple door, Maryland my Maryland.
     Avenge the patriotic gore that flecked the streets of Baltimore, ..."

The despot was Lincoln, and the "patriotic gore" was from the anti-draft
riots of (if I can remember that far back :-) 1863.


-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                      brown@Ncoast.ORG
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
"Only the futility of the first flood prevents God from unleashing another."
            --Chamfort, as quoted in Claude Arnaud's {Chamfort: A Biography}
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