Newsgroups: rec.audio

In rec.audio, chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen) writes:


>   NO! NO! NO! NO! That's NOT what he said!  He said "Measurements of
>   frequency response tended to back this up...."   Not "..as what
>   measures best".......

>   The measurements were made after the "best sounding" systems were
>   selected by the various groups.  If I remember from the posting the 
>   results were consistant.

What was implied by the ridiculous original statement was that musicians
know better than audiophiles about sound reproduction, and that the
evidence here shows the musicians are more accurate at picking out
better sound. That's bull.  If you believe that, then you need Consumer
Reports as your guide.


>   The Audiophobes liked the Audiophillia and the musicians and others
>   liked systems that, when measured, just happened to be flater in
>   response.

Get Consumer Reports.  It's for you.


> Stereo is not the end all a good mono recording is very rewarding.  And where
> do YOU get off belittling musicians?  The performance IS more important than
> image, sound stage or anything else you care to mention.  And if one person 
> plays out of tune the whole orchestra suffers.

I am not even belittling musicians, you are holding them on a pedestal.
And I used to be an amateur musician like my father.  I know the difference in 
attitudes each have and I have had both.  SOME musicians have an interest
in both listening and playing music, and they are also the same Audiophobes as
you put it.

>   I believe that musicians are far more capable of determining what
>   CORRECT sound is than any non-musician audiophile.  The musician has
>   DIRECT COMPARISON in their favor.

I believe you are wrong.  The musician almost ignores most of the things
audiophiles do not, the musician's main concern being the performance.
Read rec.music.classical and you will find this out.  And I'm not talking
musician/audiophile, just musician.  Nothing wrong with the musician's
priorities, I used to have them that way myself, until I became mainly
a listener.


>   Your comments have been placeing yourself above us all.  And I am
>   insulted.

Think so, huh?  As a customer of music, I have the arragance to voice my
opinion about what I like and think is important.  No, a musician should
tell me.  Right.  If it were at all possible, you might think the customer
would tell the musicians what to play and how to play it.  But that's
not how you think.  That's fine.  Sales are the bottom line here.  There's 
a niche market for your idea of quality, too.  Just like record sales still 
exist but my opinion there hasn't overridden the masses.

>   The Audiphiles that left have lost their grounding with reality.  The
>   seat, the coughers, the lack of "panoramic soundstages" is all an
>   excuse to put themselves above everyone else in the room.  If I let
>   myself be affetced by little things like that (when I'm out to enjoy
>   myself)  I am sure I would go mad with the misery of life!!!

You are now the insulter.  If you don't like it then you are a snob, eh?

>   I would NEVER put myself above the players who have put heart and soul
>   into a performance.  It is rude and in this case a typical example of
>   the elitism that is forced down our throats by the self proclaimed and
>   self righteous!

No comment.
 
>   I see you have lowered your self to go to live concerts and I am happy
>   that you have found seating to your liking.  I am also pleased that
>   you recognize that the sound is better live.  But to further belittle
>   musicians because their '70's stereo brings them happiness?

You are finding interesting meanings I never knew were in my post.  I said 
most musicians do not care much about reproduced music and a 20 year old stereo
shows a lack of priority in this area.  What the hell is so belittling about
that?  They play great music, perform well, but don't make them the experts
in areas they are not.

    Do you have DAT?

DAT what?  No, why should I?

(Gee, I never thought I'd ever get into a good audiophile/musician flame war
before.  Now I know where the real egos are: the prima donnas.)