From: black@che.serum.kodak.com (Robert Black (x37236))
Subject: Re: PETA Activities Suspected of Violating FCC Act, Says PPF
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:37:02 GMT

In article <dmgyl2g@rpi.edu> vanetten@unix.cie.rpi.edu (John S. Van Etten) writes:
>Robert Black writes:
>
>>In article <lqfy2#+@rpi.edu> vanetten@unix.cie.rpi.edu (John S. Van Etten) writes:
>[stuff deleted]

[...]

>>Two points on other topics:
>>
>>1.  Hunters have typically been staunch DU defenders.  Recently Jonathon
>>Esterhazy posted some info about the new DU headquarters in Canada and
>>this info portrayed DU in a somewhat negative light.  Since news has not
>>always been arriving here regularly over the past few weeks, I missed
>>the responses.  What was the hunting community's answer?
>
>We want more info.  If things are *exactly* as represented, and have
>not been subjected to any inappropriate AR filters (far be it from me
>to imply you folk would be anything but truthful in your propaganda
>;-) then I'm sure we will be concerned as well.

Obviously this is not the final word and you may wish to dismiss it as
TM propaganda, but the July 13 issue of NEWSWEEK page 63 discussed this
question.  The article seems to oscillate between a pro-DU and anti-DU
posture.  For example it gives DU credit for spending $1 million and
then turning marginal farmland into a site where 260 species of birds
can be sited.

On the other hand, it mentions the call for a moratorium on the nearly
finished building by the American Ornithologists' Union.  It also quotes
Peter Berle, president of the National Audubon Society, as saying,"We
cannot comprehend the rationale that led [them] to [build] an office 
complex in a premier public wildlife refuge."


>>2.  John, you called for Texas hunters to demonstrate at the AR
>>convention to be held there this fall.  Good for you.  I hope they make
>>a showing and express their views.  You also asked for information on
>>any such gatherings in New York state, so that you and your conservation
>>buddies could make an appearance.  You seemed to imply that AR people
>>fear such open exchanges and want to meet secretly in some hideaway so
>>they can pat each other on the back and glory in their delusionary Bambi
>>fantasies.  Actually the opposite is true.  Generally AR people welcome
>>the chance to participate in civil public debates on the issues.  So I
>>encourage you to show up at any public event.  Just be ready to be
>>invited inside to defend your views. 
>
>I don't recall saying that AR folk fear open exchanges (in fact, you
>folk seem to get off on shouting and name-calling if my encounters
>with you, such as the other night, are any indication).  Rather, I
>said that you fear the truth.  Especially if the general public is
>made aware of it (you're coming for Ronald ;-( ).

On the contrary, the only way to succeed in the long run IMO is to
win over the general public.

>>In fact, around Labor Day there will be, in the Hegins Pennsylvania
>>area, be a plethora of AR people present to demonstate against the
>>annual canned Hegins pigeon shoot.  There's still time for you and your
>>conservation friends to pack your camping gear, hop a bus, and ride to
>>the site of a major gathering of AR people.  Don't miss this opportunity
>>to engage in discourse with some prominent national AR leaders!  Don't
>>miss this chance to tell PETA leaders to their face what you think of
>>them!
>
>Forgive me if I decline your magnanimous offer, Bob.  But I'm not all
>that into defending such pigeon shoots, if you know what I mean.  And
>despite the Rev. Neimollier's (sp?) words, I can't take the time off
>right now.

Sorry to hear that, but it's understandable.  BTW it wasn't necessarily
to defend the pigeon shoot, that I was urging you to go.  It was a
proposal offered in response to your call for pro-hunters to make a
showing at AR gatherings.  This should be a big gathering and one of
your best opportunities.

>     Oh, and while I have a higher opinion of cow dung than I do of
>anyone that would support the actions of a group like ALF 

Well now I'm intersted in how you've formed this opinion of ALF?  Do
you know any members?  Is it based on their public statement made after
the recent Michigan State U incident (which appears in a recent copy
of the ANIMALS' VOICE magazine, vol 5 number 2 - I think)?

Or is it based on the "propaganda" (your word) that's printed in hunting
magazines? It couldn't be based on The Media (newspapers, evening news),
because you've told me that they are biased in favor of the AR position,
right? So, in your view, how does one go about getting accurate
information?

>(note that
>Ingrid Newkirk is on record as saying that she wouldn't report her
>knowledge of thier actions to the authorities), my personal feelings
>about these people are not important.  Let's stick to the issues, eh?

I agree that we should stick to the issues.

>I don't hate AR types.  I merely think the world needs a better view
>of your *true* opinions. ;-)

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Robert Black 
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