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From: rommel@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Kai-Uwe Rommel)
Subject: Re: Using the GTAK software (was Re: Backup Progs for HPFS)
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 05:33:58 GMT

In article <GHENNIGA.92Aug16211502@ampere.ampere> ghenniga@NMSU.Edu writes:
>
>Could someone using the GTAK software tell me how to backup to floppies,
>with compression, or at least how YOU are doing it? I tried it with the 
>-S option but this seems to use the number of bytes read rather than the
>number of bytes written, not the same when compression is used. It creates
>the files name.001, name.002, etc. on the floppies but when the floppy gets
>full it says "device full" and starts writing name.00# files, with zero
>length, to the floppy. I can change the floppy, after OS/2 pops up an error
>that the incorrect device is in my floppy drive, and continue but I'm not
>convinced it is backing up properly?

I was wrong when I wrote it works on floppies *with* compression. It
works either on floppies or with compression. Your observation is
correct. Without compression, you should use -M to indicate it's a multi
volume backup. It will then use the same file name on each floppy so you
have to label them carefully.

Kai Uwe Rommel

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DOS ... is still a real mode only non-reentrant interrupt
handler, and always will be.                -Russell Williams

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.dcom.fax
From: anto@dutetvd.tudelft.nl (Anto Daryanto)
Subject: Fax software for OS/2
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:37:24 GMT

Hi,

I need your help, guys!

I'm about to puchase a fax-software for OS/2 2.0. But until now I 
never heard one of them (may be already in this newsgroup long time
ago, or I kind of missed it). 

Can anybody who use it write it to me, kind of your experience using
the fax-software for OS/2 2.0? I know there are 3 fax-software around
here, BitFax, Fax/PM and FAXit. 

I'll resume.

Thanks in advance

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The Netherlands.		     | Yet another happy user of OS/2 2.0..:)
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From: muir@convex.com (David Muir)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Procomm Plus 2.0 under OS/2?
Keywords: procomm os/2
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:04:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.muir.714258260
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Aug19.181855.20623@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> ucgadkw@ucl.ac.uk (Dominik Wujastyk) writes:

>I'm sure this is an old chestnut, but I don't know the answer, so I'm
>asking for help.  :-)

>I've just installed OS/2, and am getting acquainted.  The installation
>migrated Procomm Plus, but when I select it, I get as far as the 
>flashing "INITIALIZING" message that Procomm issues, and nothing more
>happens.  It never gets to the point when I can hit enter and start
>a session.

>Any ideas?

>Dominik
I had this problem with PCPlus running under DOS.  The problem was a virus
that had crept into the system and damaged one of the files.  I don't
recall, but I don't think it was the .exe.  After deleting all the files and
running a virus program, and re-installing from the master disks, everything
worked ok.

Now about os-2.  PCPlus runs of for me on os-2.  I mentioned the problem I
had with dos since the symptoms are identical to yours with os-2.  You might
try copying the files from the installation diskette again.

Good Luck
* Dave Muir *
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From: anto@dutetvd.tudelft.nl (Anto Daryanto)
Subject: Problem with QuickLink fax-software.
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:01:10 GMT

Hi,

Has anybody got any luck with fax software QuickLink?
I didn't. I have Dallas fax/modem 2496 VC and until now I can't
send any fax. Strange enough, I did send fax but they only receive
'one' line. This is a DOS program, and if I boot DOS (not 'Boot DOS
from A:' of OS/2) I can use it without any problem. Other
utilities from QuickLink did run under DOS-OS/2. No problem.

The error is always at the point that the program sends the first page, and 
it sends only 8% (from the send-fax-windows). After that the program
stops and gets error SYS3176. I have to kill it.

Anybody has the solutions? 
--

Anto Daryanto
TU Delft, The Netherlands
Faculty of Electrical Engineering
Telecommunication- and Traffic Systems Group
E-mail: a.daryanto@dutetvd.et.tudelft.nl
From: kjb@calmasd.prime.com (Ken Brucker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: OS/2 Shareware/Freeware
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:49:20 GMT
Organization: Computervision - A Division of Prime Computer

In article <zwb-zs_@engin.umich.edu>, bernyeh@atchafalaya.engin.umich.edu (Bernard Yeh) writes:
> 
> Another thing, I need some hints that will speed up OS/2 (yes I already have
>   the faq). God knows I need it: 386/25 with 4MB RAM, os/2 installed on
>   45 MB partition, plain VGA, 16k ram cache. Hopefully, I'll be buying a
>   486/33 or 50 soon, but for now, such info would be helpful.

The BEST thing you can do to speed up OS/2 is go out and by at least 2Mb and
preferably 4Mb of memory and install them in your system.  I was amazed at the
difference after upgrading my system from 4Mb to 8Mb.  I'm guessing that you've
installed OS/2 using FAT partitions since you do only have 4Mb.  Once you've
upgraded to at least 6Mb then you can begin to consider running HPFS.

Check your config.sys file to make sure the HPFS driver is not being installed
on your system.  There's other good tips for DOS and Windows settings to use on
your applications to improve performance.  Something I discovered the other day
while I was working with an Excel spreadsheet.  If I made the clipboard private
the spead of copying things around the database improved dramatically.  Anyone
have any ideas on why using a public clipboard from Excel would be so SLOW?

Ken

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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: HyperAccess/5 3.0 Released
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:17:09 GMT

Hilgraeve has released HyperAccess/5 3.0 for DOS and OS/2.
HyperAccess/5 is a powerful yet easy-to-use terminal emulation
package.  It features an impressive array of terminal emulations
(including DEC VT-100, VT-220, and VT-320), mouse support, ZMODEM and
HyperProtocol file transfer, a learning mode for scripts, automatic
virus detection (even within ZIP files) as files are being downloaded,
and much more.  Long filenames under OS/2 are not yet supported, but
they will be in the 32-bit WPS/PM version of HyperAccess for OS/2 due
out in the fourth quarter of this year.

Upgrades to this latest version of HyperAccess/5 are $29.95 plus
shipping, available by calling 800-826-2760 or 313-243-0576.  New
purchasers can obtain HyperAccess/5 from most software dealers,
including PC Connection, for approximately $120 street price.

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From: "robert fielder" <robert.fielder@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: un:os/2-the user's vi
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:29:23 EST
Reply-To: "robert fielder" <robert.fielder@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Roger Ramsey said:

RR>Either way, Windows performance under OS/2 2.0 appears to be quite
RR>substandard to running Windows apps under 3.1.

Roger:

I am not sure this is a valid argument.  After all, OS/2 2.0 was
released before Windows 3.1 (even though only a few days).  Windows
3.1 is optimized for graphics performance in ways that Winos2 has not
yet been.

Comparing Winos2 to Windows 3.0 is fair.  Comparing Winos2 with
Windows 3.1 support to Windows 3.1 will be fair, when that is
released.

Until then, we are kind of comparing apples to oranges.

RR>Option b) is the one intended to provide seamless Windows but in addition
RR>to the overhead imposed by that alternative, there are only a few drivers
RR>available that allow this in resolutions other than standard VGA.

Yes, they are comming, but slowly.  At least one video board now has
800x600 seamless from the manufacturer, and others will be included in
the CSD release.  I am looking forward to the 8514a seamless support.

Robert

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From: jim@juvat.UUCP (Jim Kunzman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Backup Progs for HPFS
Distribution: world
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 23:49:12 GMT
Organization: Headhunters (80th TFS, USAF/PACAF)

msf@skaro.as.arizona.edu writes in article <msf.713666217@skaro>:
> 
> I've gotten my hard disk all setup like I want it and so now I want to
> back it up.  I would like something which does compression as its backing
> things up. I looked at a program from hobbes called OBACKUP, but i had
> little luck getting itt to work. I'm running OS/2 V2.0. I started OBACKUP
> in a full screen session. I was able to mbackup a single file, but
> it would always abort (with no messages) when I tried to backup the entire
> drive. I am sure I was following the instructions correcly. Has anyone
> else got this program to run? Or are there other backup programs which
> do compression?
> 
> thanks
> michael fulbright
> msf@as.arizona.edu
> 

I use Andreas Kaiser's gtak available via ftp-os2.nmsu.edu.  It
supports compression and I can re-route the output to a device/file of
choice.  It also saves extended attributes (EAs).  If you have an
Adaptec AHA154X adapter, gtak will allow you to save the output to a
SCSI tape drive.  If you don't, then you can save it to a file for
backup to tape by another program, e.g. one running under DOS.  There
are a few limitations:

If you want to save all of your OS/2 system files, you will need to
boot from a set of floppy disks and run gtar without multi-tasking and
PM running.  So far, I haven't seen any backup programs get around this
limitation, so gtak isn't alone.

You might need to keep a FAT partition.  If your backup program runs
only under DOS for example, you will need to save gtak's output to
a file on the FAT partition and then copy it from there to tape.

If you want the output to go directly to tape, you will definitely
need a drive that works with the ASPI SCSI drivers.  You will also
need the latest Adaptec drivers, OS2ASPI.DMD dated Jul 29 & 
AHA154x.ADD dated Jul 30.

This isn't pretty, but it's cheap and it works.  Good luck and may
you never need to use the backups that you don't have.

--
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: mo@sdf.lonestar.org (Mohit Goyal)
Subject: PMQWK for OS/2
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 18:51:28 GMT

Hello.  I have heard a little about this product.  From the name I 
assume it is a PM-based .QWK mail reader.

Is it shareware or commercial?

Is it for OS/2 2.0 or is it 16-bit?

Where is it available?

I would love to try it out.  Thank you.

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: schafer@is.rice.edu (Richard Alan Schafer)
Subject: Re: FTTerm configuration questions
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:59:33 GMT

I have also been using PMFTERM (and have been fairly impressed, BTW).  But
I've run into a couple of problems:

	1. I'd really like to be able to put arbitrary control characters
	   into the autokeys sending sequence.  I'm working through a ROLM
	   switch which requires me to send Ctrl-E CR sequences to connect
	   to an outgoing modem pool.

	2. The XMODEM file transfer seems flaky.  I've transferred small
	   files OK, but downloading large files from the IBM bulletin
	   board tends to produce unusable results.

Any solutions known?  The latter one is much more serious, as I hate to
waste an hour of phone time downloading a file which is corrupted by the
transfer.

-- 
Richard
From: "robert fielder" <robert.fielder@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: un:os/2-the user's vi
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:29:24 EST
Reply-To: "robert fielder" <robert.fielder@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Roger Ramsey said:

RR>Quite true: everyone has bugs.  I'm just a little amused that OS/2 2.0 has
RR>so many of them after IBM made such a big deal over shipping it on time
RR>and bug free when it became rather obvious that they met their deadline by
RR>the "skin of their teeth".  When you meet a dealine that closely, it is a
RR>bit difficult to ensure adequate testing.

Roger:

"so many of them"????

Try counting them, and compare that to the number of bugs in Windows
3.0, or even in MS-DOS 5.0 (which also claimed a _HUGE_ beta test).

Given the complexity of OS/2 2.0, I think the number of bugs and fixes
has beem incredibly small!


Robert

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From: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Subject: Re: Why new COM drivers?
Reply-To: mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green)
Organization: Columbia University, New York
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:51:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.111605.9739@actrix.gen.nz> Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.001811.1002@ultb.isc.rit.edu> djs6015@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Don Smith) writes:
>
>At the OS/2 seminar I attended at IBM this evening, the presenter stresses
>that if your system isn't broken - DON'T FIX IT. The only exception was the
>kernel patch, which everyone using OS/2 should apply (the June 17th patch,
>that is). 

Really?  Well, I suppose I am not such an expert as he...but I had problems
with out of memory errors with the new kernel, and no problems with the
original.  Furthermore, I think that the new COM drivers provide important
added funcitonality, and possibly increase performance.  I am using the new
ones now, without incident.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: weinkam@fraser.sfu.ca (James Lawrence Weinkam)
Subject: Re: os/2-the user's view
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:54:26 GMT

"roger ramsey" <roger.ramsey@canrem.com> writes:

>That's just one of my beefs.  There are several ways you can run Windows 
>apps under OS/2 2.0.  the highlights are:

>a)  Run them in a separate screen group (as you do).  This assigns all 
>Windows apps to one VDM which runs modified Windows 3.0 code to implement 
>the parameter checking of Windows 3.1.  Unfortunately, the same old GDI of 
>Windows 3.0 is employed to there is no performance enhancment and you get 
>performance degradation based on OS/2 overhead to manage the VDM (thunking 
>- 16-bit to 32-bit conversion).

>c)  Run Windows in an OS/2 DOS VDM (open a DOS VDM and start Windows).  
>Not exactly recommended and certainly not a commonplace way of running 
>Windows apps.

It is my understanding that when you start win-os2 full screen that it
first opens a dos vdm and runs windows in the vdm.  Thus a) and c) would
be identical.  

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

James
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry)
Subject: Re: Can't run Ghostscript
Originator: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:34:57 GMT

Jay K. Joiner (joiner@micro.cs.umn.edu) wrote:
> 
> I would also be careful about naming an .EXE and .CMD with the same root
> name.  This could cause problems because of the way CMD.EXE searches
> for commands.
> 

The gs.exe is not in my path whereas the gs.cmd is, so I don't think
there should be a problem. The gs.exe call in gs.cmd has a full path on
it.

-- 
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Your reality is a figment of my imagination.
From: jen@nmt.edu (Jennifer Hurley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: BC++ 3.0 under OS/2 --- How to speed up?
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:52:21 GMT
Distribution: comp.os.os2.apps
Organization: New Mexico Tech

I recently purchased a new computer (486DX/33) and eagerly installed my OS/2
software (using HPFS and boot manager). I created an Icon for my Borland
C++ (which was installed on my DOS partition) and began working with it.
I've noticed that it compiles programs hideously slow on my machine.
I am comparing this to a machine at work (running OS/2 dual boot--FAT)
which is only a 386/25. The 386 running BC performs about the same as 
when run under DOS.

Other notes. On the 386 at work, I had to increase the DPMI memory limit
to 4 and enable the DMPI_API for BC to work. On the 486, it loaded up with the
default settings; changing then on the 486 did not do anything. The curious
thing about this problem is that on the 486, when BC is compiling and loading
lots of system header files, it seems very fast; but, when it starts compiling
the source files loaded in the editor, THAT's when it is terribly SLOW.

If anyone out there can help me with this problem I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks in advance

John Reynolds
From: ladd@oscar.cs.unc.edu (Brian Ladd)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: The Cobb Group (Was Re: INSIDE OS/2 mag)
Date: 15 Aug 92 19:57:22 GMT
	<1992Aug13.230011.22707@ugle.unit.no>
	<1992Aug14.133730.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> <gyan.713820187@unixg.ubc.ca>
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
In-reply-to: gyan@unixg.ubc.ca's message of 14 Aug 92 19:23:07 GMT

INSIDE OS/2, another "fine" offering from The Cobb Group. It seems they
publish an "INSIDE X" newsletter/magazine for every package on PC's. I once
subscribed to INSIDE DOS; I thought I had just screwed up and gotten a
beginner's magazine when I wanted discussion of how to write a TSR with DOS
calls. Then, reading a little bit further, I found that the newsletter was
wrong. I wrote a letter to the editor after each issue I recieved,
documenting their errors. The first couple were polite, the last couple
probably ended up in the circular file in seconds, but I have decided that
the Cobb Group and their publications are:

    1) Technically-unsound.
    2) Overpriced.
    3) Basically a scam.


So INSIDE OS/2 being wrong, vague and insipid does not surprise me. Caveat
Emptor!

Brian C. Ladd
Graduate Student & *NIX Court Jester
UNC - Chapel Hill
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: doug@shako.Colorado.EDU (Doug McKnight)
Subject:  WPSBKUP problem.
Reply-To: doug@shako.Colorado.EDU (Doug McKnight)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:45:01 GMT


I had no problems running WPSBKUP a couple of times but it now fails with an
error like " eautil not found", or something. It's kind of weird as the
eautil program is where it's always been, chkdsk shows no problems with any
lost attributes etc.

Any ideas. 

I now have only 7 trial executions left! 

Douglas
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: weinkam@fraser.sfu.ca (James Lawrence Weinkam)
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 virus attacks OS/2 2.0!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:18:32 GMT

dp35@mc1adm.UWaterloo.ca (Greg Moore) writes:

>In article <16712uINN2om@agate.berkeley.edu> boss@soda.berkeley.edu (Brion "Imp" Moss) writes:
>> 
>> [ not being able to print... ]

>>(oh, and just to prove it farther, I had just printed something out of OS/2
>>before I shut it down, and installed Windows 3.1. Nothing else could have calused
>>the problem....)

>I would bet that if he had his path in an order that it would find the
>SYSTEM.INI file for OS/2 first, that would cause a big problem.  Not that
>I mean he did, but he might have had his OS/2 directory before his Windows
>Directory in his path statement.

This would not help any.  Windows install searchs the whole tree of every 
drive for previous versions of windows.  It makes changes to all .ini
files it finds that belong to a version of windows.  Thus even if he
removed the winos2 directory from his path, windows 3.1 install would 
still find the winos2 .ini files and modify them.  

It is simply a case of a stupid install program.  It should ask the user
for permission to change the .ini files in other directories.

Sorry for the flame.

James
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: schinagl@fstgds06.tu-graz.ac.at (Hermann Schinagl)
Subject: Re: Can't install Extended Services - get a beep instead!
Organization: Technical University of Graz, Austria
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 13:37:39 GMT

TEST.

Xref: sparky comp.os.os2.apps:5403 comp.os.os2.misc:27712
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Where are the new OS/2 2.0 COM drivers?
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:37:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: actrix.1992Aug19.113721.20567
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Aug19.084809.16391@news.columbia.edu> mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green) writes:
> OK; I give up!  I can't find any new com drivers other than commga.  Where
> are they hiding?  I looked on software.watson, and ftp-os2, in
> /pub/downloads, /pub/os2/new, /pub/os2/2.0/patches....
> 
> Is this a joke?

They are in the /pub/downloads directory (along with a few hundred
others.......). I am going back to the older ones, though as the new ones
cause problems with OS2YOU27.
 
Steve
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From: rda612c@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (js [schwobby])
Subject: Re: Enhanced Editor
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:03:47 GMT

m1phm02@fed.frb.gov (Patrick H. McAllister) writes:

>Has anyone else had trouble with EPM drawing in the wrong screen locations? Sometimes instead of responding to a change in the file (eg. inserting a character) by appropriately redrawing the screen location at which editing is taking place, it will draw at random places on the screen. I thought that before preparing a bug report for IBM I would find out if anyone else knows about this. I am using the 0.9-level beta Orchid display driver on a ProIIs at 1024x768/256 colors.



use 1024x768x16 instead.

regards
      schwobby




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