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From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: TNG Grade Report: "Man Of The People"
Summary: feeling bad?
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:27:40 GMT

rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>The big glaring problem with this episode is the whole aging schtick:  Why
>did it happen?  

The plot centered around the transferrence of negative personality
traits. The writer assumed that harboring these negative traits
in excess accelerated aging. I leave it as an exercise to the reader
to discover real-life examples. :)

My trouble with this characterization is that he chose
sex as the evil, rather than the excesses to
which Troi was driven by her 'gift'. This was kind of
cruddy. Her trouble is that she acted like a total
asshole, that's what aged her so quickly.

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bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
From: irwin@juliet.caltech.edu (Horowitz, Irwin Kenneth)
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Subject: Re: TNG Credits: Man Of The People
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Date: 7 Oct 1992 08:50 PST
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In article <1992Oct7.005844.10164@bsu-ucs.uucp>, 01klcampbell@bsu-ucs.uucp (Kenton Campbell) writes...
> 
>In article <1992Oct6.171156.26910@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, noe@cs.uiuc.edu (Roger Noe) writes:
>> 			 Guest Stars
>> Lucy Boryer				[Ensign Janeway]
> 
minor MotP spoilers to follow...

>I assume Ensign Janeway was the transporter chief....let's see more of her! 
>Perhaps she can become the new primary transporter person after O'Brien leaves
>for DS9.
> 
No, she was the crewperson that Troi ripped into during their counseling
session (that's ripped in a metaphorical sense, of course...:-).
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From: dv@cc-mac.nbn.com (David Vezie)
Subject: Re: The Trouble with ST: TNG
Organization: Computer Concepts
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 07:23:40 GMT

andy@awds.imsd.contel.com (Andy Moskoff) writes:
>I've had it with the b.s. techno-babble on Star Trek. For those that haven't
>seen the episode "Realm of Fear", watch it carefully. Then decide for yourself
>if you can follow the technical garbage that clearly doesn't make any sense.
>For me, I don't give a damn about the micro details of the physics, and as
>a matter of fact, it *RUINS* the story because it overshadows the plot.

I like the technobabble.  I don't think it's garbage at all.  At least
they make more of an effort to be realistic than in TOS.

Besides...  I'd love to have a "Heisenberg Compensator" (apparently
something that automatically compensates for the inherent errors in
measurement).
-- 
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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: SPOILER Re: Blowing up the Borg (was Re: Mistake in Borg episode)
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:59:02 EST

In article <1992Oct12.000107.2044@ncsu.edu>
ffhoust@eos.ncsu.edu (FORREST FRANCI HOUSTON) writes:
 
>|> Antimatter doesn't transport well in large quantities, and this
>|> is what photon torpedoes use to cause damage.
 
>But wait,
>Isn't this how Scotty handled the Kobiashi Maru simulation?  I thought
>he transported photon torpedoes to the locations where the Klingon
>shields over lapped and therefore were at their weakest.
 
 
Except that 1) Some anal-retentive is going to post a semi-flame
(give us a break) that novels are not canon and 2) remember, the
Kobiyashi (n.b. spelling correction) Maru is a simulation, which is how Scotty
got around it.  He didn't actually transport.  This, in addition to
the fact his beaming photon torpedoes to the overlapped portions
would not work in real life (remember the Aberdeen comment?)
points out the difference betwixt theory and reality.
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From: JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu
Subject: Re: Guinan and her secrets
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 15:00:23 EDT

In article <1658@dsinet>
markw@chusuk (Mark Worrell) writes:
 
>I dont think I have seen anybody talk about this yet. She is a member of
>some long lived species, right? What was Guinan doing on Earth in the first
>place?
>
>Enquiring minds want to know...
>Mark
Guinen several times asks Data if her father had sent him.  My guess is that,
at the time of TA, she is very young and has either run away or has somehow
traveled to Earth as a lark.  I imagine that if Whoopie is willing, they could
do a whole lot of episodes about her life and species.  Maybe a spin-off
series if her talk show bombs.
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From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Quality of writing in TNG (was something else)
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:44:51 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

glover@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric Glover) writes:
>
>Ha.  Even in the Pre-Roddenberry era TNG has been a money making scheme for
>the boys at Paramount.  The real problem with TNG has always been the use
>of expensive sets, special effects and actors at the expense of story
>telling.

The production staff never tires of telling us how tight their budget
is, that TNG looks like it costs a lot more than it does, and that
they really can't do expensive stuff.  And to some extent I believe
them.  Production is expensive business, especially with the prominent
union element.

But I think that what appeals to producers does not necessarily appeal
to viewers.  If the producers are looking over two scripts, one with a
$1M production cost and another with a $1.2M production cost, you can
bet that the cheaper script will have a better chance.

The script guidelines given to new writers (and presumably encouraged
among experienced writers as well) seem stifling to me.  We discussed
this a while back, and one person commented that a good writer should
be able to produce a good script even with these constraints.

But I don't think that good writers would bother with it.  Every
writer has to deal with others wanting to change material or make it
conform to some standard, but I imagine the good writers will stay
away from overconstrained situations, like TNG.

Basically, Paramount has said that TNG stories should take place on
the ENTERPRISE with the permanent crew, use a minimum of effects, and
not be too weird.  That sounds to me like an overconstrained problem.
While it's certainly possible to come up with a few good stories this
way, how about two or three seasons' worth?

Anyway, the problem is that the scripts are decided upon by the
producers, and the question the producers ask is "Will this episode
make money?" which translates into "Is this a cheap episode to
produce?"

I see some shortsightedness here.  If the story doctrine remains
unchanged, I think fans will abandon TNG as a stagnant, unimaginative
waste of time, and it will die.  This is especially tragic considering
the dramatic potential of the show's premise and the acting talents of
some of its principal cast.
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From: janet@indetech.com (Janet Christian)
Subject: Re: Relics  ***SPOILERS***
Organization: Independence Technologies, Inc. Fremont, CA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:54:35 GMT























I thought it was particularly cool that they used the TOS sound for
transporters when they first got Scotty out of the beam.
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From: Eric Schlene <eschlene@indiana.edu>
Subject: Relics...another doink ending! spoilers
Organization: indiana university
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:56:01 GMT

Once again, they've taken what could have been a great episode and only
made it good.

Why waste a good Dyson sphere by having the star unstable? Gee whiz!
Where would a race vast enough in size to create such a thing go?
Wouldn't there be something left of them in the cosmos?

It would have been much better to link their dissappearance to some
bizzare plague unique to their species and leave it at that. Then we
could have explored the nature of the sphere in depth, or even colonized
it. 

Enough about that.

The biggest let down of Relics is the stupid ending. When Piccard
encountered a rogue captain, he wanted to know everything about him. He
looked up his records, called on officers who served with him, etc. 

Here's an officer who's been missing for 75 years, served with Spock (a
living person with close personal ties to Piccard), served two tours on
ships named Enterprise, and lived through the early days of the
Klingon/Federation unification. And NO ONE bothered to lookup his service
record? Get real. Piccard should have known everything there was to know
about Scotty by the time he came off duty. That's part of his job.

And this notion of giving him a shuttle to proceed on his merry way. Duh!
That would be like a current day U.S. Navy carrier group finding Halsey's
chief engineer alive and adrift in the Pacific. What? They'd give him
dinner, swap "old salt" stories, and send him off in a dingy? I don't
think so.

Here's how I'd ended it.

Remember when the bridge crew amazed at the technology needed to make the
sphere? (Fleeting chance at a good episode, and you guys choked.)

It would have been far better for the Dyson's sphere to be stable and
leave Scott there to analize the technology. It would have been his own
personal heaven. Something I think we all would have rather seen him do
with his final days. 

I think I'd also have figured a woman into it for him - fitting end for
an old salt. But I'm a softy. Poor Scotty...floating out there in the
coldness of space...alone. 

Gee whiz, Paramount. Show a little compassion. They guy's only saved the
earth from destruction a half dozen times. The best you can do is give
him a shuttle? 

Glad I don't work for you cheap suits.
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From: jeffb@audiolab.UWaterloo.ca (jeff bamford)
Subject: Those Wacky Transporters
Originator: jeffb@audiolab.UWaterloo.ca
Organization: Audio Research Group, University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 23:45:24 GMT


	Sacha Netters!

	It seems to me that Transporters are the trendy plot device this 
season; we've had Barclay (and in some cases Barkley [ dog from Sesame St.
I guess]), Scotty and the children in "Rascals".  Shall we put some money 
down that in "Fistful of Datas" that there is some bizarre transporter
accident which creates a new Data from his pattern every 15 minutes?  I 
know I can't wait . . . 


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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Dread of Scotty Episode 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:55:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.180802.24412@newsgate.sps.mot.com> wolfson@regatta.sps.mot.com (Stephen Wolfson) writes:
>Well if they did it right, they might have some good conflict between
>Scotty, and LaForge.  Scotty is the "hacker" type engineer, while
>LaForge is molded primarily from the overblown "professionalism" that
>seems to pervade TNG at times.  I don't see Scotty running diagnostics
>as often as LaForge does.  Just give him a piece of gum and digital
>fransatat and he'll get it running in no time :-)

I bet LaForge eats quiche, too.
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From: nova@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman)
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Subject: Re: Data+Riker+Troi = Spock
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:31:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

Okay, here's my *comic* (but not totally!) offering:

Captain:  Charles Xavier
1st Officer:  Logan
Security Chief: Bruce Wayne 
Helmsman:  Gilligan
Chief Engineer:  MacGyver
CMO:  Benjamin Franklin "Hawkeye" Pierce
Transporter Chief:  The Doctor
From: sll28@cc.usu.edu (Lorna Payne)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Spoiler Protection (was Re:  Sixth Season)
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:06:58 MDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Utah State University

In article <67432@cup.portal.com>, Shirley_Gillard_Schneckloth@cup.portal.com writes:

Thank you, Shirley, for giving away the plot to the new episode. Which many
people have not seen yet.  In many places, the uplinked episode is not
shown until the Sunday or even Monday after uplink (that's a week or more).

You may be new to the net, so I'll just ask you not to do it again. 
Whenever anybody talks in anything but the most *general* and *trivial*
way about a new episode, they typically say something like "this post
contains SPOILERS for the episode 'Wesley's Great Fall'" and then use
some form of "spoiler protection," like 30 or so blank lines.  Many
people use two or three forms of protection, so that no matter what
kind of system the reader is using, he or she won't see or read 
anything he or she doesn't want to.  Also, it is considered polite
to mention the episode name in the Subject Line, so that people can
skip it if they want to.

I don't want to flame you (although some people may be), but please,
*please*, don't do it again.

Sincerely,

Lorna
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: realm of fear: space
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:52:51 EST

>Which brings up another point:  just what is a "quasi-energy microbe"
>supposed to be?  And didn't Data say that they "exist simultaneously
>as energy and matter"?  Come again?

It means exactly that.  We were watching this for fun with my Georgraphy
teacher and he was completely blown away by this concept.  He loves ST
because he wanted to be a Science teacher!  He tells us "it's
concievable..."


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From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: Paramount Press Release - #233: Rascals
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:14:23 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE) writes:
>Actually, 'Disaster' was a good episode that involved children.
>The children weren't the main characters of the episode but they
>did help Picard.

The problem is that good child actors are hard to find.  Only rarely
do they approach the expertise of the adults with whom they work.  TNG
has not had many good child actors.

Then there is the problem of writing.  Whoever it is at Paramount that
likes stories involving children should enlist the services of a
writer who knows how to write children's characters.  Bad actors can
screw up good writing, but good actors cannot, in general, compensate
for bad writing.

I'm also of the opinion that TNG scripts are getting lamer by the
season.  I think a lot of this has to do with Paramount's story
guidelines.  They are trying to hold production costs to a minimum,
and so they stick with stories which take place on the ship with the
principal cast augmented by one or two insignificant guest stars.
Just how many original, exciting stories do they think they can
produce under these restrictions?  Good grief, this episode will be
the THIRD this season which has used a flaky transporter as its
premise.

Does anyone else but me think that the post-Roddenberry era is doing
nothing but turning Star Trek into just a money-making scheme for
Paramount with no regard to the artistic element?
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From: stdnt163@whscdp.whs.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Reply about STVoyages...
Date: 10 Oct 92 13:04:15 CST
Organization: Washington HS, Milwaukee, WI

In article <Bvwvsq.7AL@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
> In article <1992Oct9.212212.578@whscdp.whs.edu> stdnt163@whscdp.whs.edu writes:
>>
>>	Star Trek Voyages is a series of short stories produced by myself and
>>Marcus TaiLore.  Last year 25 "episodes" were written, but only five made it to
>>this net.  I intend to release the others on R.a.s.misc in the near future,
>>because there is only limited readership on alt.startrek.creative.
> 
> Is there a FTP site for the ones that have already been posted?  I read
> the first one and liked it, but missed the others...

	Nope.  I don't have FTP site access. (It's hard runnin' this from
school..)
	I plan to repost all ten episodes that we've converted to textfile
format.  I'll probably post them to r.a.s.m, because not enough people are
getting alt.startrek.creative.  At present, or DECnet at school is down, so
you may have to wait a few weeks for us to post them...

	Glad you liked "Best-seller!"  We consider it one of our best, but
there are some other great stories coming...

							Regards,
							James Queen.
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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Re: O'Brian's Rank
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:55:46 GMT

hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
:)In article <BvtJ8C.JGw@acsu.buffalo.edu> v116r8ac@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Chris Nasipak) writes:
:)>Wasn't there an episode where O'Brian refers to another officer (either an
:)>ensign or a lt.) as "One of my technicians"?
:)>I think that pretty much clears it up - He has to outrank the technician...

:)Ensign Crusher gave orders to a Lieutenant who was working under him,
:)when Picard assigned him to head a certain investigation.  (episode
:)name?  help!)

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From: fraser@cisco.com (Sean Fraser)
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Subject: Re: Lore and Tasha: 2 questions
Date: 15 Oct 1992 03:04:41 GMT
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In article <22859@galaxy.ucr.edu>, judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct9.015821.9643@athena.mit.edu> johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John  
|> Piscitello) writes:
|> 
|> > 	Question 2:
|> > 	Why did they kill Tasha off? (It's tomorrow night's episode
|> > on the repeats here in Boston). I've heard rumours that Denise Crosby
|> > was fired for posing in Playboy. Does anyone out there know the true
|> > story as to why they killed her off?
|> 
|> The reason that I heard that Tasha was killed off came straight from an
|> interview from her.  She said that she wanted a more interactive role.
|> She didn't want to be known as simply the person who said, "Hailing
|> frequencies open."  She felt that she could have bigger roles in other
|> shows if she left Star Trek.  However, I have yet to see her in any
|> other show other than as (what's her face) in the Romulan episodes.
|> --
|> "I drank what?" -- Socrates
|> 
|> judson@watserv.ucr.edu


John,
     I heard the same thing you did.  That she was asked politely to leave the show due to her posing for playboy magazine.  She couldn't well say she's leaving the show because she was caught posing nude.  Since Star Trek is geared/targeted as a family show i don't think she had a chance of staying on after the uncoverement of her past. 


							Frase Man  
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: realm of fear: space
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:52:50 EST

>Yeah, none of us got that either.  Please enlighten me:  why did the
>poor buggers stuck in transport never-never land look like worms?

I got the idea because they were stuck in there as microbes, and they
were distorted and enlarged in the matter stream.  They said SOMETHING
along the lines of microbes, and that's what my friends gathered so I
tagged along with the idea.  Anybody else?


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