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From: me@vikings.austin.ibm.com (Michael E)
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:36:25 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin

In article <C1F7Cv.Dsy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's)) writes:
>In article <roop-250193094144@karen.swarthmore.edu> roop@cc.swarthmore.edu (Karen Roop) writes:
>>In article <31781@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com>, nancyl@ems.cdc.com (Nancy
>>Little) wrote:
>>
>><Stuff Deleted>
>>
>>If your not a reputible breeder (one with many years of proven experience)
>>- SPAY AND NEUTER YOUR PET.  
>>
>
>Only one problem... To become a reputible breeder with "many years of 
>proven experience" you have to either breed a lot of dogs
No. experience comes with working with current masters of breeding. Work
with such people and they can provide hands-on experience (after all
they appreciate a helping hand now and then). 

> ... or spend some
>time studying.
Heaven forbid! OF COURSE YOU NEED TO STUDY! Would you prefer going
to a doctor who didn't study? Or a lawyer? Or your vet?

Sorry to sound harsh, but your statement struck me as silly. I know
you probably didn't mean to say it.

>  The only way to get there is to eventually breed some dogs,
>and yes, usually it starts out as a person getting a "pet" and
>ending up "Hooked" in the world of dogdom.  
And such people end up produce dogs that I and many others have to
put down. Just because it's usual does not make it right.  

>I have no gripe about encouraging people to spay/neuter pets,
>but no one can force them to do so.  They best way is for all
>breeders to place "pets" on spay/neuter only, no exceptions.
Bravo. I agree completely. But many breeders breed to make money
and the money comes from breedable dogs. How to make such
people breed for love and not the green- I don't know how to solve
that without legislation and repressive enforcement. Suggestions?

>Then we have to get the "pet stores:" out of the picture.
>I know of two people right now that have "Pet store" dogs
>that are breeding them and selling pups for outragous prices
>because they wouldn't take the time to find a reputatable breeder
>and do it the proper way.
I wonder if we can legislate them out of selling animals like this.
Active boycotting probably would work faster, but there's no
long term effect.

>
>>There are enough unwanted pets in this world!!!! 
>>
>
>Yes, there are, but you will find that almost all those
>in shelterrs come from "DIS-reputable breeders".
>(Meaning, if you don't care that your puppies end up in
>shelters down the line -- you are a disreputable breeder
>ain my opinion.)
Regardless whose more at fault (owners or breeders), both problem
sources need to change because both produce so much wasted lives.

BTW, the primary source of sheltered dogs varies from area to area.

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From: shedevil@leland.Stanford.EDU (Anne P. Mitchell, JD)
Subject: UPDATE: Please! Help Save This Adorable Dog from Death!!
Reply-To: shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.)
Organization: Fathers Rights & Equality Exchange
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:33:35 GMT


<sigh>...the woman who took care of this dog over this past night says
she seems to have been abused in the past..every time she tried to pick
her up the dog tried to bite her, even she was otherwise incredibly
sweet, hopped up in her lap, took a pill with no problem, etc.

She's been returned to the vet and is scheduled to be put down this
afternoon.

Sigh.
From: tittle@alexandre-dumas.ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Canadian Kennel Club address
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:14:35 GMT
Followup-To: poster

I have two different addresses for the Canadian Kennel Club.
Can someone tell me which is right (or what the correct
address if neither are?)  Thanks.  Email, please; this is
to correct the FAQ.

Canadian Kennel Club (CKC)
89 Skyway Avenue
Rexdale, Ontario M9W 6R4
Canada

CKC
100 - 89 Skyway Avenue
Etobicoke, Ontario M9W 6R4
1-416-675-5511 (tel)
1-416-675-6506 (fax)


--Cindy
From: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Info Req. Ridgeback
Date: 27 Jan 1993 12:55:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, bob@reed.edu (Robert Ankeney) says:

>
>
>My sister-in-law got a Ridgeback in a rescue about the same time we got our
>Rottweiler.  Her Ridgeback (Rudy) is sweet, mild-mannered and *loves* to
>sleep.  The same day she brought him home, her cat was sharing the same room
>with him.  Our cat is just now speaking to us (after 6 months).  So in that
>respect, we're jealous.  She recently adopted a kitten, and they get along
>just fine, too.  Ridgebacks seem to like nothing more than laying around,
>preferably on your feet.
>     On the drawback side, I understand young Ridgebacks love to chew, and
>need to be trained early on not to eat the furniture.  Her dog doesn't seem
>to be much of a chewer, but will enjoy a rawhide chew on occasion.  He also
>has made friends with the neighbor's puppy quite quickly.
>     Ridgebacks are *very* protective once bonded.  Some people think they
>can be too protective, going as far as killing someone if necessary.  I've
>never heard of an instance of this happening.  They rarely bark, too.  From
>all I've heard, they make wonderful pets.
>
>     Robert
>
>-- 
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Robert Ankeney                 | "Yield and overcome.                |
>...!tektronix!reed!bob         |  Bend and be straight.              |
>...!tektronix!bob@reed.EDU     |  Empty and be full."    - Lao Tzu   |
>----------------------------------------------------------------------


I think that Ridgebacks are fabulous dogs!  I have met several in the
training classes I have participated in and thought that they were all
delightful dogs.  Everyone that I know who has one is thrilled to death
with them.

The only thing that I would add is that they are a powerful dog that is
fully prepared to fight.  In the realm of dog show folklore, I have heard
of a fight at a show between two mature, intact males.  By the time that
the one on top got pulled off, the one on the bottom was dead.  I consider
the handlers to be at fault and not the dogs as most any breed can have
some real aggression problems between stud dogs in close proximity.  I only
brought this up so that you realize that you have a live wire breed that
needs good, firm obedience.  I have the same situation in Airedales where
two males or two bitches can just hate the sight of each other.

Gail Brookhart
ce293@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From: shedevil@leland.Stanford.EDU (Anne P. Mitchell, JD)
Subject: Re: Please! Help Save This Adorable Dog from Death!!
Reply-To: shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.)
Organization: Fathers Rights & Equality Exchange
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 03:39:38 GMT

In a recent missive artemis@netcom.com (Michelle Dick) tells us:
>In article <1993Jan21.170110.22276@leland.Stanford.EDU> shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.) writes:
>>The local non-putting-down rescue
>>group has been called, but they are really overburdened themselves, and
>>besides that, I've seen where their little dogs end up.  In one room,
>>covered with paper, with a zillion other dogs.  [I know because we got
>>Callie there].

>I assume you are talking about NARF here.  You know about NARF so you
>should also know that citing the conditions in one of their dozens of
>foster homes is misrepresentation.  I saw 5 of their foster homes when


Actually, irrespective of what organization I was talking about [and
seeing as there are more than one such organization, and I specifically
did NOT mention names, there is no misrepresentation even if I DID
present the facts in a false light..]..anyways, irrespective of what
organization it was..it was *not* a foster home.  It was their primary
place where they keep all the little dogs.

Frankly I'd be astonished if any of these organizations would allow a
foster home to have that many dogs [as I said, this was *not* a foster
home]... my dealings with all of the local such organizations have been
that they are very reputable, and very careful about their foster
placements.
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 00:09:03 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Please! Help Save This Adorable Dog from Death!!
Comment-To: Anne_P._Mitchell,_JD@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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  Your local paper should have a "thrifty" section.  It should only
cost a few bucks to place an ad for this cute Poodle.  You will get
several offers.  Ask a for a few bucks to discourage cheapskates and
cover the cost of your ad.  
  You could also call around to a few vets- they might be able to put
you in touch with someone who has just lost a Poodle.
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rbeltz@hilda.mitre.org (Randy Beltz)
Subject: Crates
Keywords: Crates
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:58:17 GMT

Hi,
	I am looking for product information on dog cages or crates taylored for use on the back of a truck (I actually have a Mazda Najaho).

	For those of you who hunt their dogs, you know how MUCH fido loves to roll around in dung (cow is my pups favorite)...I am looking to protect the inside of my vehicle when he decides to shake off.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 23:19:01 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Dog who dig
Comment-To: John_Carson@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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  Digging is a natural dog behavior.  Of course, some dig more than
others.  Don't count on being able to train a dog out of dog behavior.
 It will be much more practical by far to lay out a sturdy dog run
where the dog can't get into trouble.  Keep the dog in the run when
you can't supervise it.
  I have heard of many bizarre methods of attempting to train dogs out
of digging yards up.  I think they are all cruel.
--- FMail 0.92
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From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Date: 28 Jan 1993 20:42:33 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Jon Krueger (jpk@Ingres.COM) wrote:

: I have no problem with anyone, including those you term 'reputable
: breeders', adding to the supply, for any reason they like, as soon as
: demand catches up.  I have stated this here many times.  I see no
: reason to defend another, different, idea, that you attribute to me.

Define your "demand", Jon.  We can't lump all dogs together here, as
different types will be in different levels of supply and demand.  

Will we need to certify breeding allowances on each breed individually? 
Will mixed breeds be held against all purebreds?  

Karen

From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:14:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Need some advice (possible new dog)
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

Jeff,

I think you're wise to have the concerns you do about how your lifestyle will
impact a puppy.  I urge you to consider adopting an adult dog instead.  Please
get yourself a copy of "The Weekend Dog" by Myrna Milani and read it before
you get a dog.  The book is available for about $5, paperback, and any
bookstore can order it for you.

Good luck

Diane

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: me@vikings.austin.ibm.com (Michael E)
Subject: Re: Tails'n'Ears WAS Flame?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:57:09 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <9301251408.AA12940@mesa.dcrt.nih.gov> young@alw.nih.gov writes:
>In article <24740083@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> you write:
>|> >I can't say that I have a strong opinion regarding ears and tails (except  
>|> >that I like a Dobie "with ears").  But I'm wondering....if you understand
>|> >why dewclaws are removed, why not tails?  Working spaniel breeders dock
>|> >the tail about half way to the body for the same reason as removing
>|> >dewclaws -- to prevent tail injuries that don't heal well.  I personally
>|> >think that if you're not working your dog, you shouldn't dock the tail; 
>|> >but if you are, then I don't see a problem with doing it.   Perhaps, 
>|> >instead of laying down hard and fast "rules," we should approach this
>|> >from a situational point of view, exhibiting something that might be
>|> >becoming lost in our society -- tolerance?
>|> >
>|> >schalene
>|> >
>|> >----------
>|> >
>|> Well, I'm going to put in my 2 cents here also.  I agree with what Schalene
>|> says here.  If there is a good reason to crop tails/ears like there seems
>|> to be for dewclaws, then by all means they should be clipped (EARLY!).
>|> If the dogs will be working dogs or such, then maybe there are good reasons
>|> for some of this cropping.  However, if the dog is a show dog (and not 
>|> working) or a pet, etc. I feel it is unnecessary and shouldn't really be
>|> done.  This is NOT meant as flame by any means!  My main gripe is with
>|> the breed standards for 'pushing' people to get the cropping done by
>|> taking points off and such.  I believe cropped/un-cropped should be 
>|> judeged the same, giving the owners of 'show' dogs more an option on
>|> whether this is needed for practical purposes.
>|> 
>|> Just an opinion....
>|> Kim Krattiger
>|> 
>
>Make it $.04.
>
>I feel that if a dog is a show dog and a sporting breed, there is no
>excuse for not working the dog to exhibit some conformance to a 
>sporting breed standard.  I feel that, for instance, if one were to 
>allow intact tails in the ring for the pointing breeds, it would
>further separate pointing breeds into two distinct factions - those
>who field trial and those who show.  Therefore, I support the docking
>of tails in sporting breeds even if the dog is only to see the inside
>of a show ring. 

How about this for a compromise:
If you dock (for legitimate reasons only) you must neuter.
At least this way weak genes associated with the docked body part
will not propogate.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman)
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-2955]: diana
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:53:09 GMT

>Quite a chart!  Here's a simpler one:
>
>
>  Are millions             ------------------------- 
>  of pets being   YES     |                         |
>  abandoned and ________\ |                         |
>  euthanized            / |                         |
>  every year              | GET YOUR PET NEUTERED!! |
>  in the US               | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
>  alone?                  |                         |
>                          |                         |
>                          |_________________________|
>
>
>As soon as the population problem is solved, the fancier chart Nancy
>cites applies.

Once this approach is taken, we can never go back to the old 
chart because there will be no more purebreds.

If you are a responsible breeder, you are obligated to breed good dogs
to balance out the bad ones being bred by most everyone else.

I have a large dog with modest activity requirements that trains
easily, rarely barks and is an excellent guard dog.  He also doesn't howl 
or dig.  I expected all this when I chose my breed and I haven't been
surprised (much :-) or inconvenienced by my dog's behaviors.

  (BTW: an unneutered dog need not be bred -- the SPCA pro-neutering
policy was created in an age when dogs ran loose around communities)

Damon
-- 
Damon Feldman                  feldman@rex.cs.tulane.edu
Xref: sparky rec.pets.dogs:17053 ba.general:5822
From: ann@plx.com (Ann Lindstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,ba.general
Subject: Re: South Bay dog obedience classes?
Keywords: n
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:55:00 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: PLEXUS Software, a division of REI

Try Claire Waite with Trilogy Dog Training in Los Gatos.  Her number is 356-1442.  I'm very impressed with her.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 10:44:01 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Dogs at Work?
Comment-To: Karen_Roop@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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  Here's a hint for you- DON'T ask anyone's permission to have your
dog with you.  If you give someone the power to say No to you, don't
blame them if they take you up on it.
  I used to take my dog with me when I drove a cab at night while in
school.  He was a BBoxe.  Very gentle, but he was big and Did have a
scary look.  It was sort of fun, as I had to deal with many scary
characters, and they never gave me a hard time.
  Some customers didn't want me to have a dog with me.  They
complained to the taxi company.  I continued to take the dog with me,
and felt much more confident to have him than not have him with me.  I
was never threatened in any way while I had that dog.
  We had several fun adventures.  Once, I had to transport a group of
8 people.  Hardly had enough room in the car for everyone plus the
dog.  A little woman spoke up and said she would just hold my 90lb.
Boxer on her lap while we rode.  I was sceptical and asked if she felt
comfortable doing that.  She laughted, and said- " We are a group of
veterinarians!  Of course it's o.k.!"
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From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:19:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Help: biting
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

I think you need to clearly and repeatedly dominate him.  If you aren't
clear how to do this in "dog language" I recommend the book "The Second Hand
Dog" by Carol Lea Benjiman.  She does a great job with cartoons of explaining
how to do this in a way he will clearly understand.  I would escalate it-
if you do something dominating, and he comes back (saying "no, I dominate YOU")
then you do something a step more dramatic.  Doing the alpha roll might be
necessary.

Also, I heard that some mother dogs grab their pup by the scruff of the
neck and shake (NOT violently, mind you.  But make your point).  

I think you're smart to be concerned because if he goes for your face as
an adult, it's serious.

Good luck


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,rec.pets.cats
From: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: Re: Dog sensed earthquake, cats too.
Reply-To: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:37:17 GMT

I have always heard that animals can sense earthquakes before humans. It
seems like I read there are scientific studies going on to observe the
animals' behavior so earthquakes can be predicted. Or something like
that. We live on the New Madrid fault, so if there's a big one anytime
soon, I'll let you know how my two cats act. :)

Kay Jones



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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: INFO NEEDED/NEW BUNNY OWNER
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 06:27:32 GMT

Anne Jessop (annie@garnet.berkeley.edu) wrote:

: Again, I am only (and obviously) speaking from my experience, but Pee-wee only
: urinates in her box and in one corner of the bathroom.  I have just gotten
: used to sweeping up the pills...Pee-wee is about 1 1/2 years old, and very
: affectionate towards humans.  So I share the question:  Is there anyway we
: can train "older" bunnies how not to leave their pellets all over the place,
: even if (especially if) they already piss in a box?  (For me , I guess it
: doesn't matter quite so much, because PW is shedding like I don't know
: what, in the middle of the wettest winter ever to hit California since 1950!
: She has no bare patches of skin, and is very active, but I sweep and
: think, "Shit! Why bother!"

Nope.  No cure, at least none that I have found.  I've had 3 lops, all of them
full of "piss 'n vinegar", all very loveable.  I have noticed, though, that
Sandalwood the Rabbit goes in one particular spot, so that's where I've put
the box.  :)

On a non-related subject, Sandalwood has recently had a near-lethal run-in
with pasturellis.  The vet's got her on 35 MG of Baytril a day, and it's
gotten her stable, but she's still cranking out pus like there's no tomorrow!
Other than that, she's in good spirits, has a great appetite, and gives her
human a hard time regularly.  :)

Anyone know of anything else that'll cure this stuff?  The vet says that
Baytril is pretty strong stuff, and he's afraid to put her on too much more,
because of the possibility of killing everything in her gut, not to mention
the possibility of superinfection after she gets off of it.  :(
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177
1935 will go down in history.  For the first time, a civilized nation has
full gun registration.  Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient,
and the world will follow our lead into the future.  --Adolf Hitler
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:13:00 EST
From: <KAB137@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Info on the Illegality of Ferrets

  Hello ferret owners!
I am in desperate need of your help.  I have recently become involved in the
unfortunate problem of anti-ferret legislation in places such as California and
New York City, for instance.  I feel that the idea of ferrets being illegal to
own in INSANE and I am prepared to fight it with all that I can.  Before I can
do so, I need information from anyone who can seriously help me.  I need to
have a current and accurate list of all of the places that ferrets are illegal.
I need to hear *true* stories that people have heard, or better, experienced,
in places in which ferrets are illegal.  I need to know FACTUALLY why ferrets
are illegal in specific places...for instance in New York City the REASON may
differ from the reason in California.  I need information on anything that may
help my case.

  I don't mean to doubt the credibility of anyone on the Net, but I have to say
this.  I plead with  anyone who is planning on e-mailing me, I need facts and
truthful information and stories.  If I am going to go up against these law
makers and legislators (and I plan on doing whatever it takes) I need to be
sure that the information I have is correct, for obvious reasons.

  I believe in the right for people to own whatever pets they choose to own,
and I believe in the rights of ferrets to be owned.  Please, if you are as
concerned as I am, e-mail me with your information or just with your concern.
You may be able to help me.

  Kymberlie and Shadow
      KAB137@psuvm.psu.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:01:34 EST
From: <KAB137@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Please save this adorable dog...
Distribution: rec.pets

  Well, my thought is this.  Yes, to break trust is not exactly *right* but I
sincerely believe that this vet probably does not do this often, and never for
any other reason (such as to do experimentation on a pet to be put down, for
example).  I think if I heard this story and the vet *had* put the healthy dog
to sleep I would have been irate, and I would support the vet's decision to
save the dog if I had heard about it before the decision was made.  I think
that maybe the vet should have discussed it with the dog's owner (trying to
pursuade them to take other courses) but if the owners refused, as there are
some completely uncaring people out there, I think vets are not wrong in
taking the matter into their own hands.  Legally, I don't know the implications
 but morally, I think that's what's right.
-=Kymberlie=-