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From: rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWMM - Questions
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:26:42 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon
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In article <5088@svin09.info.win.tue.nl>, robk@wswiop01.win.tue.nl (Rob
Knubben) wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I've recently seen Fire Walk With Me. I really liked it, and I think every
> Twin Peaks fan should see it.
> 
> I've some questions about the movie:
> 
>   - What does the blue rose stand for? (is project BLUEbook related to this?)

My theory is that it does. Blue==Project Bluebook, Rose=sub rosa. A sub
rosa (secret) investigation into the phenomena that were the subject of
Project Bluebook (ufos) instigated and directed by Gordon Cole without
knowledge of the FBI and employing some of his most trusted agents. Cole,
Wyndom Earle and Major Briggs all participated in Project Bluebook.

>   - Why do the grandma and her grandson (Trumont I believe) have a different
>     name in the movie? (by the way: in the credits both names are listed,
>     the name Trumont between brackets)

As Joe Zitt pointed out, they appear to borrow the name of the previous
inhabitants of the dwelling they are using. In TP it was the Tremonds, in
FWWM it was the Chalfonts.

>   - Why did Laura say "Bobby, you killed Mike". (I believe this has been
>     asked before, but I can't remember any answers)
> 
> CU,
>  Rob Knubben

I haven't seen a satisfactory explanation for this. We know that Bobby told
Laura not to tell Mike about the deal, to keep it between themselves, so we
can hypothesize that Mike was normally included. This is confirmed in TP
when Bobby and Mike talk about the money in Laura's safety deposit box they
owe Leo and later meet him in the woods attempting but failing to score
because he wants his money.

Some people think that Laura is just spaced out and is teasing and
tormenting Bobby whom she manages to almost convince she is right. Others
want to draw some connection between BOB and Mike (the OAM) who supposedly
is hunting BOB (or so he claims later in the series).  Because BOB is
gradually getting to know Laura better and can presumably read her mind,
perhaps he also can either intentionally plant things there or she has
become sensitized to his world.

Rich Haller <rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu>   University of Oregon, Eugene, OR,
USA
From: dan@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Heroin <=> White Horse  (???)
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:28:38 GMT
	<C12K0p.6A3@ecf.toronto.edu> <C132oM.E1t@news.ucs.mun.ca>
Organization: /home/fsg/dan/.organization

One of the "street names" of heroin is "horse".  

That's it.

- Dan
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From: dan@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter)
Subject: Re: Angels
Organization: /home/fsg/dan/.organization
	<1993Jan26.083439.19729@gallant.apple.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:45:29 GMT

I think Catherine's "angel" story had an element of truth in it.  I am
not entirely convinced that her brother Andrew is, well, alive in the
conventional sense.  Didn't people see the body, swear he was dead,
etc. etc.?  Mind you, this is only a hypothesis, but I've always been
vaguely ill-at-ease regarding Andrew and the near awe that his
non-death provoked among people who seemed convinced beyond a shadow
of a doubt that he was in fact dead.  I also like tying Catherine and
company into the mystical stuff a bit more heavily.  Much though I
love Catherine, she's the most conventional soap-opera type character
they have.  She's had her bizarre moments, such as leading the "antler
dance", which was a brilliant bit, simultaneously revealing her own
surreal nature and her joyous delight in cruelty.  BOB
wouldn't dream of bothering her...

- Dan

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From: brian@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Wood)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:37:03 GMT
Subject: Re: What was Sarah drugged with?
Organization: HP Mfg. Test Div., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks

>I'm not a great bible maven, but I believe that another of the Four
>Horsemen rides a white horse.  Death's horse is simply described as
>"pale," and I believe in the original Greek was actually pale green
>(kloros?).  Bible scholars, help me out here.

From Revelation:
6:1-8 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it
were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.  And
I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a
crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.  And
when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and
see.  And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to
him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill
one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.  And when he had
opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I
beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances
in his hand.  And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A
measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and
see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.  And when he had opened the fourth
seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.  And I looked,
and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell
followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the
earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the
beasts of the earth.

The images of the first four seals are commonly referred to as 'the four
horsemen of the apocolypse'. The pale horse was actually a light green,
perhaps even clear, or transparent.  The Greek word that is translated
'pale' is chloros, from which we derive the word 'chlorine'.

As you can see, the white horse was simply a conquerer.  Not really relevant
to TP, I think.  The more obvious meaning of the TP horse is that of
impending doom, a symbol used by many authors.  However, it could be a
dual symbol, also representing drugs.

Brian WOOD    *House address 710 -- same as Blue Lady's apt in Blue Velvet
              *Studied major religious works like Ben Horne
              *Live next to a grove of TREES
              *My wife's aunt's name is Annie; my sister's name is Anne
              *My wife grew up next to a forest; next street - Glastonbury
              *My father's name - Palmer Robert Wood (spooky, huh)
From: chandoni@husc8.harvard.edu (John-Marc Chandonia, , , )
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Twin Peaks on Bravo
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:39:28 GMT
Reply-To: chandoni@husc8.harvard.edu
Originator: chandoni@husc8.harvard.edu

Has Bravo announced what time the episodes will run?  Our cable
stations carries Bravo on the same channel as Boston Catholic
Television and the REI (???) network.  I guess it's still a
bit early to worry about it, though.

JMC
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From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM soundtrack
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:52:11 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1993Jan25.105830.6631@ludd.luth.se> per@ludd.luth.se (Per Andersson) writes:
>In <1993Jan22.202839.29895@cs.odu.edu> curtis@opium.cs.odu.edu (vincent curtis) writes:

>>Yes.  It's called "The Pink Room".  Great tune!

>Does anobody know the name of the group that played that tune?
>Have they recorded any albums?

I think that the band listed in the film -- The Power And The Glory -- isn't
the one which originally recorded it.  I don't have my FWWM soundtrack
handy, but I think it was recorded by Lynch's usual studio crew.  Lynch
himself played percussion, if I remember.

On the other hand... does anyone know if the band "Thought Gang", who
back Angelo Badalamenti up on "A Real Indication" and "Black Dog Runs At
Night", has done any other projects?  Or why Thought Gang was credited on
those two tracks only, when they appear to be the same studio crew who did
the rest of the songs?  Was it just because those were the only two tracks
with vocals?
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From: martin@nx21.mik.uky.edu (Martin Smith)
Subject: Chet Desmond
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:57:26 GMT

Any guesses as to what happens to him after he disappears?
Could someone also give give me an explanation of the
rings?

                     Martin
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: fluet@ee.ualberta.ca (Kevin Blaine Fluet)
Subject: Re: TWIN PEAKS MARATHON or RETURN
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:36:14 GMT

mgrimes@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael Grimes) writes:
>commercials.  I have FWWM, but I haven't had time to watch it yet. I'm thinking
>of doing my own marathon and watching everything again.
>Has anyone else watched every episode recently? Just curious.

A TP marathon is definitely the way to do it.  That's how I saw TP in the
first place (someone lent me their entire set).  I watched every episode
in the course of 3 days (in between working and sleeping).  It's quite the
experience.  I was humming Badalamenti tunes and snaping my fingers all day
at work...  :)    

-------------------------
Kevin Fluet
fluet@ee.ualberta.ca
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From: schuller@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Wayne Schuller)
Subject: alt.fan.david-lynch
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 13:04:51 GMT

Hi ppls, well i posted a semi-unorganised RFD for alt.fan.david-lynch
in alt.config, and there has been very little discussion on it so far, although
what there has been, was postive.
If all you twin-peakers and lynch fans want this group then i would suggest
we work together and really push this thing. Check out alt.config and at least
make some positive contributions! thanks!

ObTwinPeaks: In Australia, video stores had 3 double video sets of the TV series. The only problem was that this did not finish the second series.
On the weekend i discovered a fourth double video set has been released, titled
'Twin Peaks IV- The final chapter'. Great! so now the entire series is available
for hire (and purchase i hope) in australia.
From: 96rpg@williams.edu (the Straw Dogs)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Angels
Date: 23 Jan 1993 19:38:27 GMT
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
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In article <1993Jan22.212842.8652@cobber.cord.edu> rkallberg@vax.cord.edu writes:
>Actually, I was wondering if the "angel" Catherine was talking about wouldn't
>be her brother, Andrew.

well, yeah. but it's SYMBOLISM, man! logic and reality don't count.

---
straw dog
From: jjimenez@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joel A Jimenez)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: BOB sighting...(well, sort of)
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:40:07 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University


   I was reading the Lantern (Ohio State's student newspaper) this morning and
was startled to see Bob peering from behind a bed on the front page.  Only his
face was visible and it appeared at the bottom of a photo of Bill Clinton.
Upon further inspection, I found it was not really Bob but instead the face of
Hillary Clinton.  Seems she was caught off guard by the camera.  It was an AP
photo.  Did anyone else see it?  Maybe I'm crazy but I swear it looks like Bob.

   Anyway, I don't have access to a scanner so I can't really send it to
anybody thru my account.  But if anyone is interested, send a SASE and I'll
send you a photocopy.

                             Later,
                                     Joel
                                     jjimenez@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

Joel Jimenez
1844 Morrill Tower
1900 Cannon Dr.
Columbus, OH  43210
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: kupec@agouron.com (John W. Kupec)
Subject: Re: Garmonbozia = Windom Earle?
Organization: Agouron Pharmaceuticals, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:12:30 GMT

In article <rhaller-260193084814@rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu> rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
>
>John, did you try reversing the actual "garmonbozia" in FWWM or did you try
>recording yourself saying "garmonbozia" or "I is Windom Earle" and reversed
>that?  I think you will find that experiments using your own voice give
>some support to the theory, but reversing a recording of the MFAP in FWWM
>does not as both the original poster and I have concluded.

I recorded myself saying "garmonbozia".

>
>Question for everyone out there:
>Is there any scene in the _series_ where the MFAP (or anyone else) says
>'garmonbozia'? If so, which episode? I checked the last, and it isn't
>there.

I don't think anyone said it in the series...?

-- 

The Right Honorable John Kupec (kupec@agouron.com)
Agouron Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
San Diego, CA  92121 (619) 622-3040
From: rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Drug dealer
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: 26 Jan 1993 00:55:47 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon
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In article <1993Jan18.135741.28077@maths.tcd.ie>, mpower@maths.tcd.ie
(michael power) wrote:
> 
> Seeing the Twin Peaks movie cleared up a couple of plot points for me, 
> but I'm still confused about some things. Who sent the drug dealer that
> Bobby shot? Was it Jacques? And if it was , then why , in the series ,
> did Leo ( I think ) help Bobby by hiding the body ?

Presumably Jacques since that is whom Bobby called and that is who the
deputy said sent him.

I don't recall Jacques helping Bobby hide a body.

-Rich Haller <rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu>   University of Oregon, Eugene, OR,
USA
From: rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Garmonbozia = Windom Earle?
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:36:16 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon
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In article <C1ECtz.KEA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, ash50842@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(Avumede) wrote:
> 
> Anybody remember this old thread?  Well now that the video is released we 
> have a lot more to go on with the reversal of the word "garmonbozia".
> 
> If you remember correctly, someone some day posted that Garmonbozia is actually
> "I is Windom Earle" backwards.  There was some debate whether this was true,
> but it was generally acknowledged as a strong possibility.
> 
> However, when I reversed this on my  computer (I reversed the first Garmonbozia
> heard, at the Formica Table) it didn't sound too much like "I is Windom Earle.
> In fact, it sounded BACKWARDS.  Even though it HAD to be recorded forwards, I
> guess the inflection had to be very weird to make it sound somewhat normal
> during the reversal of the tape.  But, no, it didn't sound like ANYTHING, really
> yes, I heard "I is Windom Earle" in it, but that's only because I was expecting
> to hear it.  I heard a pattern in something that had no pattern.  Looking at
> it objectively, I don't think it was really there.
> 
> Anyone else do the same thing and have another opinion?
> 
> -Avumede

I did the same thing you did and came to the same conclusion. I believe
that in that scene the MFAP says 'Garmonbozia' forwards (he clearly does in
the final scene). If its origin was something else played backwards, he is
not pronouncing it accurately enough to produce the original when it is
reversed.

It may be that whatever it's origin, it has now taken on its own life, so
to speak, and that it's origin is not a clue to anything, but rather a
coincidence. That is, something like 'garmonbozia' showed up when they were
playing back some stuff, and Lynch just liked the sound of it, so stuck it
in. That's his style.

-Rich Haller <rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu>   University of Oregon, Eugene, OR,
USA
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From: drewds@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (David A Southwood)
Subject: Symbolism in FWWM
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:59:15 GMT

The angel appears symbolically in the television show several times.
Bobby is standing in front of the cross in the 4th episode.  The
fern leaves sticking out from the cross make it look like he has wings.
In a later episode a statuette of an angel with one wing painted black
is shown on the shelf at Nadine's house.

Nadine has a patch over her right eye.
The Lady with the icepack in FWWM had the icepack over her left eye.

Laura says 'Whats that smell?. It smells like something is burning.'
, when Leland is reving up the car engine and the OAM is yelling at
him.  This echos what Maddy says before she is killed.  It also
echoes the 'burnt engine oil' theme from several episodes.
From: Bernard.Stern@info.unine.ch
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: TP FAQ
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:21:58 MET
Organization: University of Neuchatel, Switzerland

In article <1k3940INN5bu@mercury.kingston.ac.uk>, cs_e404@king.ac.uk (Sean Batten) writes:
> Where can I get hold of the TP FAQ
> 

Try audrey.sait.edu.au. in the twin-peaks directory. Nice collection of twin-
peaks related stuff, including pictures, faq, articles, ...


Baron Alucard
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: cyrano@athena.mit.edu (Spaceman Spiff)
Subject: FWWM
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:10:48 GMT


i finally got to FWWM over christmas break, but parts of it left me puzzled...

could someone tell me what was the significance of the character david bowie
played??  and when agent cooper saw himself on the security camera at the fbi
office, what did that mean???



						
					cyrano@athena.mit.edu
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: TP on video
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:47:55 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1k0am3INN1jh@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> cs_e404@king.ac.uk (Sean Batten) writes:
>I've just bought episode one of the TP videos available here in England.
>On the front cover it says it has programmes 1,2 and 3. However, after
>watching it I have discovered it actually episodes 2,3 and 4 from the TV
>programme that was screened.

Ah, yet another victim of the funky TP episode numbering system.

The pilot was produced as a one-off; it doesn't have a number.  These
days it's referred to as episode #0, or #1000 (1st season, episode 0.)

Programmes 1, 2, and 3 are the first three one-hour episodes from the first
series.  The first season episodes are also known as #1001 through #1007.
(I gather these are the production company's official production numbers.)
The second season -- including the second two-hour episode -- is known as
#2001 through #2022.  Of course, the video company will probably call them
numbers 8 through 30.

>Ah I thought. Theres a TP video here which I guessed must be the first
>program as this was a feature length, so of I went to buy it. Getting it
>home I sat down and watched it, and guess what.

This is the pilot -- or rather, the European version of the pilot.  As I
said, it was produced as a one-off, before Lynch / Frost got a series
commitment.  Since they knew that they could get a video release in Europe
even if the series was not picked up, they shot an ending sequence
involving MIKE, BOB, and the Little Man.  This version was released on
video in Europe, and later in the US, causing great consternation to people
who expect the first episode of Twin Peaks to lead logically into the
second.

There are rumors that some company is attempting to get the rights to
the "original" pilot, but there's nothing confirmed right now.  Until
then, the best way to see the Twin Peaks pilot is to stop your tape
of the Euroversion when you get to Sarah Palmer's vision.  Everything is
the same up to that point.  The only difference is that, in the original
pilot, Sarah's vision isn't of BOB, but of a gloved hand taking the
necklace buried in the woods... and that, if you look carefully at the
glassed-in picture on the wall behind her, you can see a reflection of BOB.

As for the rest of the footage in the extended ending... well, you'll get
to see a lot of it again.  It reappears in sliced-and-diced form as Cooper's
dream in episode #1002, and is summarized again at the beginning of #1003.
Just to keep you confused, though, the version which Cooper summarizes
includes bits which were cut from #1002 for length reasons, which drastically
change the focus of the dream.

Confused?  Welcome to Twin Peaks.

From: collier@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Mark Collier)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:42:09 GMT
Subject: _Hotel Room_ Opinions?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks

(This isn't directly related to Twin Peaks; instead in concerns David Lynch's
latest work, _Hotel Room_.)

I recently watched _Hotel Room_ on HBO. (I signed up to get HBO on cable just
for this purpose and was not disappointed.) I am very interested in hearing
what other people think about it, particularly any of you who have explanations
about what *really* happened in the first episode, _Tricks_.

For my part, I really enjoyed the first and last segments. They were suitably
weird and had just the right kind of David Lynch twist to them. I thought the
Angela Badalamenti music was great.

It struck me that the idea of having a series in which every episode tells the
story of something that occurred in the same hotel room on a different night
is a pretty good concept for a David Lynch series. In fact, it seems to me that
it might allow for the same kind of explorations that I think David Lynch
wanted to do in Twin Peaks but which may have been derailed as Twin Peaks
took on a life of its own and David Lynch took on less of a role in day to
day activities.

Does anyone know how many episodes of _Hotel Room_ are planned?