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From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Subject: LIghtweight steel shafts
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:04:18 GMT

Anyone familiar with reshafting clubs with lightweight steel shafts ? What
are your recommendations ? My current choices are the True Temper TT-lites,
Dynamic Gold Plus and the Flex Flow. Are these shafts noticeably lighter
than the regular True Temper Dynamic shafts ? My clubs have a D-1/D-2 swing
weight but the overall weight is noticeably heavier than my other set. I'm
using a forged blade and I understand that they are generally heavier than
cast heads. I would like to bring down the overall weight but maintain the
D-1/D-2 swingweight.

I have not seen a set of clubs using Flex Flow, but it does have an interesting
concept. The long irons are supposed to have a low kickpoint to get the ball
up easier (2-4 irons). The mid-irons have a mid kickpoint and the short-irons/
wedges have a high kickpoint. Anyone used these before ?

As for the TT-lites, are they any good ? I was wondering if they are the same
shafts used in the Callaway S2H2 re-labelled as Memphis Lite. Also if they are
the same as the E-Z lite in the Ping Eye 2 set.

The Dynamic Gold Plus would be nice, but kind of pricey.

Any other suggestions (i.e. - Apollo, Brunswick, etc.). I looking for good
value/performance ratio.

Thanks.
From: sheppard@grizzly.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Doug Sheppard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Hitting straight
Keywords: ball
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:49:21 GMT

In article <Brq8vJ.G6u@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, mkohlhaa@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mike) writes:
|> I've been playing golf for about 5 years now, but only recently have I started
|> taking it very seriously.  I'm decent with club distance, chipping, putting,
|> etc, but my BIG problem is hitting the ball without slice, especially off
|> the tee.
|> 
|> From what I gather, correcting a slice is something that a great many golfers
|> have to do at some point.  I hope that instead of having to enlist the
|> aid of a pro, I might be able to get pointer or two from any of you to
|> help me eliminate my slice.
|> 
|> Any suggestions???
|> 
|> Mike
|> 
|> e-mail: mkohlhaa@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
|> physical location: In the trees on the right side of the fairway. 8-).
|> 
|> -- 
|> 
|> 					-- Mike


Try getting those Japanese tees that have a little golf-ball-bucketseat
on them!  I've never tried them, but I've seen them advertised.
Of course, I suppose this does take some of the fun away from the game...

Has anyone tried them by the way?

-doug
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: ilh@lcs.mit.edu (Lee Hetherington)
Subject: Re: YAGR (yet another golf ruling)
Reply-To: ilh@lcs.mit.edu
Organization: MIT/LCS Spoken Language Systems
	<ILH.92Jul29085505@winnie-the-pooh.lcs.mit.edu>
	<d#pmby+.mzimmers@netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:51:25 GMT

Can anybody quote any USGA decisions on this topic?  Surely there must
be a clear interpretation of an animal picking up your ball (not
simply the ball bouncing off an animal) in the USGA's decisions.

There is a note to Rule 19-1...

Note: If the referee or Committee determines that a player's ball has
been purposely deflected or stopped by an `outside agency', Rule 1-4
applies to the player.  If the outside agency is a fellow-competitor
or his caddie, Rule 1-2 applies to the fellow-competitor.

[Sure sounds like the outside agency (gull) purposely deflected/stopped
the ball.  It didn't merely bounce off of it because it couldn't get
out of the way in time.]

Rule 1-4.
  If any point is not covered by the Rules, the decision shall be made
in accordance with equity.

[The equitable action would be to replace the ball where it was picked
up, but that's my opinion.]
--

--Lee Hetherington
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: pat@mks.com (Pat Inglis)
Subject: YAGR (yet another golf ruling)
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:04:49 GMT

Another golf rule that I can't understand is let's say I'm chipping out
of a bunker or some rough and I take a nice gingerly swing with good
follow through. The ball lags behind my club and bonks it just as I'm
following through so in effect, I've struck the ball twice. Didn't mean
to but I did. It's happened to me a few times but I've never counted two
strokes. Why? Because firstly, the ball had no business hitting my club.
I'm supposed to be the one doing the clubbing. Secondly, I've screwed up
a perfectly good shot and I'm probably still in the sand trap or rough.

So technically, I'm probably supposed to take two strokes. Before I get
jumped on by all the golf purists out there, I'm letting you know that
when I stickhandle my putts into the cup by means of four or five
consecutive taps, while the ball never stops rolling, I count the
appropriate number of strokes.

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From: RPT378@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Hitting straight
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:45:33 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Mike asks about correcting a slice without pro help.  Well, my $0.02 worth
follows.  I, too, sliced BADLY until I tried strengthening my right hand (I'm
left handed) on the grip.  My left hand is applied neutrally.  So, I see all of
2 knuckles and the top of the third on the right hand.  Now, I moved the ball
BACK in my stance to just rear of center, and now.... oooooooo, I can rather
consistently drive 250 to 280 with a straight rocket OR A SLIGHT DRAW!  And I
use a run-of-mill driver (Pal Joey 10 degree).  I feel so much better about
my game now, its hard to believe.  Better drives instill the confidence to
execute better approaches, which promote better putting.....  Larry Z. :)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: practice makes perfect????
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:19:04 GMT

In article <13152.2a76a353@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> andereck@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>I have a question/problem regarding improvement or lack of it through
>practice.  I am currently about a 10 hcp player who peaked at about 7
>a couple of years ago.  Whenever I go out to practice, which is maybe 4
>times per week, I start out hitting reasonable, but not great, shots.
>Then I begin working on finding some "swing key" that gets me hitting
>much better shots.  Normally, however, this only works well for a few
>swings and then I either somehow return to the previous problem or find
>some new, more creative way to hit mediocre shots.  If I do happen to 
>find a key thought that works for a lot of shots that day it seems that
>the next time I come out that thought doesn't work at all, period.  I
>simply cannot seem to find anything that works for a reasonable length of
>time.  Is this a common problem?  Is there any hope?  All suggestions
>are welcome.
>
>Dave Andereck
>andereck@mps.ohio-state.edu
>

It's possible that as you continue your practice you become more
warmed up and looser. Your backswing may become longer, hip turn further
and you may exceed your control bounds.

This has no substantiation other than it seems to occur to me until
I consciously reduce my backswing.

Mike N.
From: yoonho@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Yoonho Park)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Improved handicap scripts (small correction)
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:06:51 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI

In the archive change

	Xset -x

to

	X

on line 545 counting from the ``#! /bin/sh'' starting line of the
archive.  Sorry about that!

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From: v5875bza@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael M Gorman Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: practice methods
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:46:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Also, there are things you can practice that can't be practiced at
the range.  E.g., hitting out of the rough.  For this, you need 
a big empty football field or something.

Michael G
From: sercely@convex.com (Ron Sercely)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Yet Another Rules Question
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:39:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.1992Jul28.163942.27215
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>|> 
>|> Would it be any different if B asked the question after he (and
>|> everyone else) had completed their shots?  Would the advice help
>|> further along in the round?
>
>  No - you can't ask for advice from your opponent - anytime during the round!!
>
>
>-Ron Birnbaum

I think you got this one wrong Ron.  It is true that you can never ask or give
advice during a round, but this situation is NOT advice.
Rule 8 defines advice as follows:
"Advice" is any counsel or suggestion which could influence a player in
determining his play, the choice of a club or the method of making a stroke.

After both players have hit, they may discuss club selection to their hearts
content because it CANNOT influence the shot which just occured.  However, if
there were a third player who had not hit who could overhear them, I would deem
that they would both be guilty of giving advice.

Note that the definition says "could" influence.  Any reasonable possibility of
influencing is consisdered advice, like:
Sure is a strong wind in our face.
Boy that looks like a fast put.
Etc.
Ron Sercely
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: oil@idt.unit.no (Odd Ivar Lindland)
Subject: Re: Scandinavian Masters
Reply-To: oil@idt.unit.no (Odd Ivar Lindland)
Organization: Div. of CS & Telematics, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 06:37:10 GMT

> Scandinavian Masters begun yesterday with a prologue. It was a foursome
> with four competing countries, which is meant to replace the illegal
> appearance money many players requests. Since Germany (and thereby Langer)
> weren't invited to the foresome, he will not play in Scand. Masters.

> Spain           (Ballesteros/Olazabal) won the foresome on par 72, $50,000
> Sweden          (Forsbrand/Johansson) were second on 75,           $35,000
> USA             (Stadler/Don Blake) third with 77,                 $17,000
> Great Britain   (Faldo/Lyle) last with 78,                         $17,000

> USA is underrepresented both in the foresome and in the Masters due to
> comittments in USA and preparation for PGA (Couples was scheduled for the
> foresome, he and Pavin played last year in the Masters).

> The money for the first price is the same as last year, 100,000 pounds,
> roughly equivalent to $180,000. The course, however, is totally different.
> The very easy Drottningholm course in Stockholm, where Couples played a 61
> (including a 3-putt from 5 feet!) is replaced by Barseback in the south
> of Sweden. With wind like yesterday, the cut would be around par.

> -- 
> =============================================================================
>  Tommy Petersson              tope@enea.se              Enea Data AB, Sweden
> =============================================================================

I would definitely like to SM on tv, but to my knowledge it has not been explicitly 
scheduled by the Swedish Television. They are concentrating on the Olympics.
Do you have any other information?

Odd Ivar Lindland
PhD-student
University of Trondheim
NOWRWAY
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: lake@cs.UAlberta.CA (Robert Lake)
Subject: one more rules question
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:34:32 GMT

While we are on this thread, I thought I would describe the scenario which
happened to the foursome I was playing with during a tournament last year.
I have (briefly) looked at the Rules of Golf, but I am not sure how to resolve
this.

We were putting on the green just as a small storm cloud began to pass over-
head.  The green itself had a small downward slope in the direction of the
wind.  Player A putts his ball (he is only about 3 feet from the hole) and
the ball misses the hole. It comes to rest about 2 inches from the cup and
the wind then blows it off the green (it was a *very* strong wind).  Should
he play the next putt from off the green (30+ feet away from the hole) or
from 2 inches from the hole?

Player B has marked his ball.  He then places the ball on the green and gets
ready to putt.  Before stroking the ball, the wind, as with player A, blows
his ball off the green.

In each case, the ball was literally blown off the green by the wind (the
downward slope of the green had very little to do with the distance the ball
rolled).

What is the correct procedure for each player?

					Rob Lake (lake@cs.ualberta.ca)
					University of Alberta
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: WOMEN'S U.S. OPEN
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:42:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.103205.19697@st-andrews.ac.uk>, gr@st-andrews.ac.uk (Gavin Ramsay) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul28.170926.10169@access.usask.ca> donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald) writes:
|> >jean-k@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Jean Kalich) writes:
|> >
|> >>CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE SATUS OF THE WOMEN'S U.S. OPEN PLAYOFF?
|> >
|> >Yes... The other lady (darn, now I forget her name) beat Julie Inkster (her 
|> >name I remember cause she's a Canadian - like me!) by two strokes in the 
|> >18 hole playoff yesterday.
|> 
|> Does anyone know who the other lady was??

  The 'other lady' is Patty Sheehan - who is now just one victory short of
  the LPGA Hall of Fame - the most difficult Hall of Fame to make in all
  of Sports! Amy Alcott is also just 1 victory short. It's pretty certain
  that Patty will make it, but Amy hasn't played well in a year. 

-Ron
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: brad@meaddata.com (Brad Craig)
Subject: Re: Re Name Your Favourite Golf Ball!
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:55:23 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Jul21.223945.2690@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>, fin@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
|> Optima Tour the ONLY Golf Ball.

We all know there's only one name in golf balls:

RANGE

:-)

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From: martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Yet Another Rules Question
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:50:22 GMT
Organization: UCSD - Scripps Inst. of Oceanogr. - MPL

Since we're in the subject of whats' fair and what's unfair, here's my
question. Actually in this situation a rule was broken, although there was
no intention. So my real question is: up to what point intention becomes part
of the rule?

This happened to a player in my foursome in a tournament a few months back:

We were on the tee of a 200-yds par-3. Player (A) hit a wood off the
tee to the middle of the green. A second player (B), who had been praising 
player A's ability with that "fairway" wood, out of curiosity asked A whether
it was a 4 or a 5 wood. Now, (I knew that) player B's intentions were purely to
satisfy his curiosity as to the club, and never meant to seek advice as to what
club to use. The third player in our group (C) demanded that B took a 2-stroke
penalty for seeking advice. After swearing that he didn't intend to break the
rule, B reluctantly took the penalty (for a moment I was in the middle and all
I could say was for B to play 2 balls and ask the "rules committee" for a ruling
after the round). Things to keep in mind: B had already a club in his hand
(a 3-iron, which he eventually used). I truly believed him when he said he was 
not seeking advice. Player C argued that even though it was not B's intention to
seek advice, by knowing what club A used he "knew" what type of shot was needed
(either consciously or sub-consciously).

Was this ruling correct? Since B took the penalty we never went to the comittee.
Does intention really become a factor? I doesn't seem to be so (although it 
should be maybe). 

Martin
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From: bohdan.kiszczuk@rose.com (bohdan kiszczuk)
Subject: greenhorn (not) learn
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:37:29 GMT
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Date Entered: 07-30-92 00:09
E(> From: enenkel@cs.toronto.edu (Robert Frederick Enenkel)
E(> Subject: greenhorn (not) learning to swing
E(> Date: 29 Jul 92 00:32:41 GMT
E(> Lines: 28
E(> 
E(> I am somewhat exasperated.  Think back to when you picked up a golf
E(> club for the first time in your life.  How long did it take you before
E(> you could hit the ball reliably, say half the time.  I don't mean hit
E(> it far, or hit it straight, or (heaven forbid!) with some particular
E(> spin.  Just a solid, clean hit.  If you say it took you five years,
E(> then I'll just pack it in right now and save myself a lot of grief.
E(> 
E(> I came into possession of a #3 wood about a month ago.  I got myself
E(> Tom Watson's book "Getting Back to Basics".  I followed the nice
E(> pictures of how to hold the club, and started to practice hitting
E(> whiffle balls off a tee.  I tried almost every evening.  I still can't
E(> do it.  About one in twenty swings connect with a satisfying "crack", and 
E(> the ball soars high and far.  What a joyous feeling!  But more often I
E(> skim the top of the ball and send it tearing 6 feet through the grass,
E(> or hit it with the heel of the club or the toe and send it off at 45
E(> degrees, or miss the ball altogether.  Can you imagine how depressing
E(> it is?
E(> 
E(> I thought what I'd do is learn to hit whiffle balls reliably, and then
E(> find a driving range and get some instruction on real balls.  But how
E(> can I go to a driving range when I can't even get the club on the ball?
E(> How shameful.  I have a friend who golfs, and when I told him my problem
E(> he offered to sell me a "nice persimmon driver" for $200!  I can't imagine
E(> that is my problem though.  I'm sure Arnold Palmer wouldn't have any
E(> trouble hitting whiffle balls with my humble #3 wood, old and disheveled 
E(> as it is.  Any words of wisdom?
E(> 
E(> Robert Enenkel

            FIND A GOOD PRO AND TAKE SOME LESSONS. Old habits are hard 
to break (re: swing). Do it now.........
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From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Favorite shots to WATCH?
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:55:42 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona

In article <24209@castle.ed.ac.uk> cs@castle.ed.ac.uk (C Smith) writes:
>The problem with drives is that you generaly just get televised sky with very
>occasional glimpses of the ball.  Unfortunately this also encourages the 
>commentators to fill the void with aural garbage, usually by trying to predict 
>balls landing spot by the expression on the players face.

This year's Masters coverage was much better about this than
most.  They kept the camera on a full-body shot of the player,
then cut to the ball only as it landed in the fairway, then
got on with the next piece of action.

There's no way we're going to get rid of the endless stream
of putting shots.  The pros spend more time lining up putts
than they spend preparing for any other shot, and the
director can't afford to miss the actual shot, so he often
has to keep the camera on the green once he goes to it.

My favorite shots to watch are five-irons to the green from
the middle of the fairway.

				--Blair
				  "...and this is Craig Stadler's
				   eighth putt on this, the 14th
				   green, and we're going out for
				   coffee; you want anything?"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: uuwayne@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Wayne Stopak)
Subject: Reinforced parallel tip shafts for metal woods
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 31 Jul 1992 12:51 EDT  

If I were to build a metal wood with a TT Lite shaft (combination R/S flex),
MUST I use the reinforced tip shaft (UTTLWCH) or would it be acceptable to
use the standard non reinforced tip shaft for woods (UTTLWC)?

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: steve@oceania.com (Steve Dakin)
Subject: Scoring Question
Reply-To: steve@oceania.com
Organization: Oceania Health Care Systems
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:10:32 GMT


I was wondering how to compute a 18-hole score based on less than 18 holes of  
play.  For example, let's say I play a twilight round and can only squeeze in  
14 holes before it gets too dark to play.  Is there a widely acknowledged way  
to compute my score for all 18 holes?

Comments, ideas and references welcome (e-mail or post).

Thanks,

Steve
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From: n4hy@idacrd.UUCP (Bob McGwier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: TV coverage (Was: Cook blows British Open)
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:29:26 GMT
Organization: idacrd, princeton, nj

From article <1992Jul21.141356.1312@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov>, by sheldon@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Roger Sheldon - AISS):
> In article <92Jul20.195336edt.230@smoke.cs.toronto.edu> enenkel@cs.toronto.edu (Robert Frederick Enenkel) writes:
>>nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson) writes:
>>
>>>I found another thing disappointing. In previous Opens we've 
>>>been treated to the BBC's coverage. This year it was the network
>>>coverage and it was quite sad by comparison. You get to see the
>>>top 4 or 5 competitors most of the time. A lot of closeups
>>>(who cares) of their faces and lengthy delays while we wait for 
>>>putts. 
> 


Both of you did not listen to the commentary (I don't blame you).  ABC
primarily used  BBC CAMERA'S AND ONLY USED THEIR CAMERAS ON THE FIRST
FOUR HOLES!  If you wanted BBC commentary rather than Brent Fussbungler
then you and I have no arguments.

Bob