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From: wdo@TEFS1.acd.com (Bill Overpeck)
Subject: (TANGENT) Re: The Five Points of Fundamentalism 
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:41:07 GMT

In <1992Aug26.192317.22916@meaddata.com> johnt@meaddata.com 
   (John Townsend) writes: >
In article <1992Aug25.213833.25377@acd4.acd.com>, wdo@TEST1.acd.com 
   (Bill Overpeck) writes: |>

|> When I did my obligatory semester at Lynchburg Baptist College (now Liberty
|> University) in 1973, I was told by several people that BJU had only recently
|> (within the past couple of years) permitted blacks to live on campus.  If
|> true, then the university's racial policies may have been quite different
|> ~20 years ago.  Were you aware of this (or was I misinformed)?

>No, I was not aware of this, so I checked into it.  In a sense, you are right:
>prior to 1971, the university did not admit unmarried students of minority
>ethnic groups (which made it easier for them to enforce their interracial
>dating policy), and all married students must live either off campus or in the
>university's married student housing.  Although the Civil Rights Act was passed
>in 1964, it was only applicable to government institutions, and not until 1975
>was it applied to private institutions as well.  It's important to realize that
>very few public or private universities admitted black students at all before
>this time anyway 

That's news to me.  As I recall, there was no shortage of minority students
at Indiana State University during or prior to 1971, but I could be wrong...

>(you should check into the colorful 118-year history of Rose-
>Hulman Institute of Technology, right there in Terre Haute; they still don't
>admit women, and won't for three more years), 

This I am familiar with.  Everyone seems to be looking forward to '95.

>and BJU had a better excuse than
>most.  Now, BJU actively recruits minority students and goes out of its way to
>showcase them whenever possible, particularly in the movies, plays, musicals,
>and other fine arts productions for which they have been highly acclaimed.
>I remember hearing about a civil rights march against the university about ten
>years ago in which the university provided coffee and doughnuts for all of the
>marchers.  However, they are still stigmatized as "racist" and "segregated" by
>the secular media, which has its own differences with BJU.  Chances are, you
>probably heard the one about the separate pink and blue sidewalks for women
>and men too.  It's not true either.

Nope, I didn't hear that one.  Whenever I complained about the stifling
regulations at LBC (and that was nearly every day), someone would inevi-
tably say something like "If you think it's restrictive here, you should
check out Bob Jones...".  

Methinks I wouldn't have liked it too much.  One semester at LBC was enough 
for me.  

Bill
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: manitp@vccsouth26.its.rpi.edu (Philip Joseph Manitta Jr.)
Subject: Whiteheart music
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:54:58 GMT

Hey Folks;

I have a small problem I am hoping to remedy.  I am a bassplayer and an
avid fan of Tommy Sims- especially his work with Whiteheart on "Freedom" 
(The very best rock album EVER published IMHO).  But his stuff
(especually that album) is a little difficult for me to pick up by ear.  
I recently got a major dissappointment from Long's Christian Music when
they told me that "Souvenir Edition" - the only recent publication of
Whiteheart's sheet music IS ALREADY OUT OF PRINT 
#%(^&$#*(^&!#*&%!(!)$&^%^^T#**(W&%T$!*&^%(*#@^   (Of course, I've
repented of the censored expletives!)  If anyone has a copy of this
songbook  I'd be very willing to send a check!  Also - if their are any
actual musicians who read this newsgroup---  HOW BOUT SOME TABS!?!?!?!?!

-- 
Philip J. "Ralph" Manitta Jr. (RLF)     _|_       " For me to live is
88 14th st.                              |        Christ, to die is
Troy NY, 12180                           |        gain!"   (manitp@rpi.edu) 
" Don't even think of copying this! The band NEEDS money! " -Fluffy
From: uyeno@meetng.enet.dec.com (Alice Uyeno)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: re: Steve Camp - Fire and Ice
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:00:28 GMT
Reply-To: uyeno@meetng.enet.dec.com (Alice Uyeno)
Distribution: na
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Aug20.212634.1@scivax.stsci.edu>, abney@scivax.stsci.edu writes:
|>Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
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|>From: abney@scivax.stsci.edu
|>Subject: re: Steve Camp - Fire and Ice
|>Message-ID: <1992Aug20.212634.1@scivax.stsci.edu>
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|>Distribution: na
|>Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:26:34 GMT
|>
|>Hi!
|>These are the words to FIRE and ICE as best as I can remember them (they
|>aren't printed in the label).
|>
|>	I was messin' around with the things from my old life.
|>	I didn't think it could hurt me
|>	Just a litte seemed alright.
|>	But the wages of sin
|>	Eat like a cancer within
|>	They crippled my faith, 
|>	Till I was hard against Him.
|>
|>	Now I know that 
|>
|>Chorus:	Fire and Ice
|>	Darkness and light
|>	Can never live together.
|>	It's day or its night
|>	It's wrong or it's right
|>	One way or the other.
|>	In my life.
|>
|>	Television will tell you doin' anything is good for you.
|>	But I found out the hard way
|>	That the sayin' isn't true.
|>	The facts still remain
|>	The truth doesn't change
|>	The word of God is alive 	
|>	To show us the way
|>
|>	Now I know that
|>
|>	Chorus	
|>
|>	
|>It's a great song, but I think my favorite from that album is
|>Upon this Rock.  This is one my favorite all time albums from
|>any artist.
|>
|>				--Faith
|>
|>

Faith -

Thanks; I'm probably going to order the tape.  A lot of people are recommending this tape/album.


Alice
From: hanley@fyi.crd.ge.com (Christopher W Hanley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: U2's denomination
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:55:32 GMT
Reply-To: hanley@fyi.crd.ge.com (Christopher W Hanley)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

In article <Btwsv5.LGn@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, djn20624@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(Danielson) writes:
|>
|>	I know this probably been discussed before, but considering I just 
|>plopped down $30 to see U2, I have a couple of curious questions :
|>
|>	What denomination are the members?

	Used to be involved in a charismatic - isolated fellowship, really struggled
	with being Christians and rock n roll performers, don't know if they
	still attend a church or what
|>
|>	What are their religious beliefs?
	
	Although I cannot read hearts, Bono, The Edge and Larry Mullen were said
	to be believers with Adam Clayton still searching
|>
|>	Do most (or a lot) of their songs have references or symbolic
|>	of God and Christ (I can think of a few that don't mention God
|>	specifically but may be talking about Him)?

	OCTOBER is tremendously overt in its spirituality, One song says

	Open up, Open up to the lamb of God, to the one who makes the blind
	men see, he's coming back, he's coming back, Jesus coming...

	...then we have the song I still haven't found what I'm looking for...
|>
|>	(Very judgement statement here) Are they devoted, moral Christians, or
|>	were they just born Catholic/Protestant/Whatever and sing a song or 
|>	two about God?

	Bono's father is Catholic, his mother Protestant, I know Dave Evans (the edge)
	comes from a Welch background and I think his parents are protestant as well
	as Larry Mullen's.  Unsure of Adam Clayton
|>
|>	How did 'The Edge' get his nickname (not super serious question but
|>	oh well)?

	Can't remember: check out their biography called the unforgettable fire or
	something like that
|>
|>	Why is Bono wearing all that leather now a days; It's hot outside?

	Bono has always worn leather
|>
|>
|>
|>Thanks,
|>   Dan.
|>
|>djn20624@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

	Don't forget U2 is an Irish band, a lot of their music reflects the Irish
	Cath/Protestant, Irish/English, struggle.

	It is my personal belief that the three members are believers and like another
	poster had mentioned, they are disillusioned with the Church.  I love their
	music and I'm always inspired by it.  I don't always support everything they
	do but I love to listen to them.

	The ZOO tour concert was awesome, check out the serious screens!

Chris Hanley
                           
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons)
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Is sarcasm appropriate for Christians?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:56:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.224235.6453@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:

> 
> My initial feeling is that sometimes sarcasm is appropriate, especially
> if directed towards ideas rather than people. But I'm at a loss to
> figure out when it IS appropriate.
>
> Comments please (straight answers, please).  
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No sarcastic answers allowed!   :-)

John
From:  (The DOK)
Subject: Re: TEST Please disregard
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:10:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.163759.9900@ccd.harris.com>, ras@controls.ccd.harris.com (Russell Soule) writes:
> 
> 
> This is a test.
> 
> 
        OOOOOOOO,  I love this test, please do it again sometime!!!!

   (Man, I must stop drinking all that coffee!!) The DOK
From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou ~{E7OHIz~})
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: MWS Change Your World (NOW FOR SALE)
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:00:57 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <cee1.714939005@Isis.MsState.Edu> cee1@ra.msstate.edu (Charles Evans) writes:
>Well, I picked up the CD this morning. Actually it was at our Xian Bookstore
>yesterday afternoon (Wednesday)..but they didn't unpack it.

What!?  I thought it wasn't due until September 1st???!!!!
Even if the stores have it, they are not allowed to sell it.
Gotta go check on all the CD's stores now...see you all later...

Brandon

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From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: U2's denomination
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:38:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.154805.2999@meaddata.com> johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend) writes:
>Wow, even Intervarsity's tri-annual conference at Urbana does better than that.
>Sounds like they've really had an impact on the area...

As if the point of Urbana was no more important than to indoctrinate
kids as to what music is Good and what music is Bad.  It is to laugh.

I was at Urbana '90 (did you see me waving from the back row in the
"Jupiter 2" stadium?), and I was pleasantly surprised that the
Christians around me generally refrained from presenting platitudes
about "Christian" and "non-Christian" music.  I suspect the U2 concert
would have had better attendance if they had scheduled it for the day
after Urbana was over.

Sorry, I just couldn't let such a cheap shot go by without a response.
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer)
Subject: Re: Word suspends Warnke sales
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:37:06 GMT

In article <mjenkins.715013070@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>Word pulled Warnke's stuff a month after the Lexington, KY,
>Herald-Leader disclosed that the IRS revoked the tax-exempt status of
>Warnke's ministry last fall, a ruling under appeal. The newspaper
>raised questions about ministry practices and finances, luxury perks,
>high salaries, etc. paid to Warnke when his ministry--little more than
>a telephone referral service--was ailing.

Everyone posting seems to think Word is making some sort of judgment call
here.  I suspect that Word has financial/legal reasons for looking hard at
their contracts with Warnke given that he is no longer tax exempt.  They 
may have somehow been taking advantage of that in their contracts and this
may have thrown them into legal jeopardy, too.  That's my guess.
-- 
 
-- Alan                        # Mountain Dew and doughnuts...
   ..!ames!elroy!alan          # because breakfast is the most important meal
   alan@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov     # of the day.
From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 16:09:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Statement Condemning Musical Forms (was: is music amoral)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

In rec.music.christian, jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:

> PLEASE NOTE: THESE ARE NOT MY OPINIONS
> 
>   ---------------------- Begin National Group Statement ------------- 
> 
>   Wheras it is apparent..
> 
>   ...Be it resolved by the delegates to the XXXXXXXXXX meeting in XXXXX,
>   XXXXX 1987,...

Why leave out the group's ID? If they are brassy enough to make such a 
statement, I wanna be sure I'm not *supporting* them...

Bob ("Enquiring minds wanna know...";-) Miller rhm@hpfirhm.fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jerdman@evans.den.mmc.com (ERDMAN)
Subject: Re: Michael Card on tour with Phil Keaggy???
Organization: MMAG
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:15:52 GMT

In article <19408@ector.cs.purdue.edu>, gritter@cs.purdue.EDU (Carl R. Gritter) writes:
> 

> If what he meant is that they will tour together it would definitely
> be something to see.  If not, its a good way to start a rumor %^).
> 
It is true that Phil and Michael will be touring together.  They are scheduled
to be in Denver sometime in October. I plan on being there.
Another good concert is going to be Stephen Curtis Chapman, Susan Ashton, and
Out of the Gray.  Should be fun.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: Is music amoral??
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:04:20 GMT

I'm going to have to go with Noel on this one:

In article <1992Aug20.211130.25669@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.123353.19632@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug20.113910.29308@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug19.182908.896@news.cs.brandeis.edu> aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>>>I'd hate to be the one to tell God that.  He again and again condemned the
>>>Isrealites for fashioning idols (objects).  To God, anyway, these "objects"
>>>carried traits that he didn't want them messing with.  By the same token,
>>>musical pieces may just be "objects", but the individuals that made them
>>>along with their content certainly CAN be assigned traits.
>>>
>>
>>I doubt that it was the object itself that God objected to, i.e.
>>I don't think there is anything wrong with a statue of a cow.  What
>>he objected to was that the people were worshipping a false god.  
>>As you say, he condemned the Israelites -- people -- for making and
>>worshipping the idols.
>
>Exactly my point, John.  Those that say music is nothing more than a bronze
>cow that sits on a bookshelf are deceived.  Music is not some bauble that
>we take out and have no (emotional, spiritual, mental, take your pick)
>attachment to.  Music can not be described as some object devoid of meaning.
>To do so is denying reality. 

OK, notes aren't evil. Neither is rythms, chords, melodies, etc. However,
something happens in the act of creation. When we create, we imbue. The
creations takes on aspects of the creator and it's intended use. This is
true of Golden cows, this is true of music.

But, it has been countered, beer songs become hymns. True, but an act of
creation, a second act and inherrently and act of "un" creation, has 
taken place. It can be argued that some things are easier than others to
convert from one purpose to another. A Bible (as a book, not as paper 
and ink) is hard to turn to evil. A gun is somewhere in between (more on
the evil side IMHO, but not for the reasons most of you would think). 
Mustard Gas, however, is far on the other end of the spectrum.

I've heard "holy" music, "neutral" music, and truly evil music. It exists.

No, there are no evil notes or lumps of clay; what they are turned into,
though, is an entirely different story.

As a rule, try this: the closer something approaches "finished product" 
(something which cannot be used as a raw material), the more definite its
moral nature.

Topher
-- 
 Christopher A. White                    | Here's a test to see if you've
 caw@gtech.com                           | completed your mission in life. 
 GTech Corporation, West Greenwich, RI   | Are you alive? You haven't.
 The opinions expressed are mine alone   |        - Bach
From: pmfranc@afterlife.ncsc.mil. (Paul M. Franceus)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Sam Phillips
Keywords: sam phillips t-bone lyrics leslie
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:42:26 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1992Sep3.221510.8279@ucunix.san.uc.edu> tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu  
(Michael David Toth) writes:
> In article <1992Sep2.151324.13843@afterlife.ncsc.mil>  
pmfranc@afterlife.ncsc.mil. (Paul M. Franceus) writes:
> >I would be intersted in the lyrics as well, especially to "remorse"  I have
> >been trying to figure them out for 3 years!
> >
> Well, kids, here are a couple of transcriptions of some songs, done last
> night by yours truly JUST FOR YOU! :-) When I saw her live on her tour with
> Bruce Cockburn, I made it a point to listen for those tricky lyrics.
> For example, the line "a tightened grip is our mistake as we're trying
> to hold on...to the earth" was quite the lightining flash for me.  Words

Hey- that actually fits- I never got that one either - Now does anyone have
chords/guitar tabs for any of this.  I will post the chords from "Private
Storm" of of "Cruel Inventions" if any one is interested...

>Always willing to aid netfolk with GREAT musical tastes, :-)
>
>Michael.
>tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu 
Thank you! :-)
From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: MWS Change Your World (NOW FOR SALE)
Date: 30 Aug 92 21:17:27 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <21275@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou ~{E7OHIz~}) writes:
 In article <cee1.714939005@Isis.MsState.Edu> cee1@ra.msstate.edu (Charles Evans) writes:
 >Well, I picked up the CD this morning. Actually it was at our Xian Bookstore
 >yesterday afternoon (Wednesday)..but they didn't unpack it.
 
 What!?  I thought it wasn't due until September 1st???!!!!
 Even if the stores have it, they are not allowed to sell it.
 Gotta go check on all the CD's stores now...see you all later...

Well, i heard August 25th before i heard September 1st, so i guess they just
got it out earlier than expected.  I bought it yesterday, from a big bookstore
here in Atlanta.  My friendly neighborhood Family Bookstore didn't have it
yet, and the guy there was ticked that their shipment hadn't come in yet.  He
said Word does some kind of funky shipping plan, where they ship their new
stuff out by zip code (?!).  Anyway, i'll review the album later, after i 
get to listen to it a couple more times.

JRjr
-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: u9264442@cc.uow.edu.au (Andrew William Easton)
Subject: Re: U2's denomination
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 03:15:58 GMT

dmaxwell@auc.trw.com (Doug Maxwell) writes:

>In article <67434@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:
>>In article <Btwsv5.LGn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> djn20624@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Danielson) writes:
>> 
>>
>>So just turn you offensometer way down, and just accept the show for what
>>it is-rock and roll.

>As Christians, can we really do that?  Can we say that, "Well most of it
>is ok, so it must be right."  I don't believe that we can. 

Of course we can! There are no anti-christian (as opposed to anti-church)
messages in any U2 songs (that I know of, and I've been a fan for a LONG TIME)
so relax. It is possible for christians to spend a couple of hours not shoving
thier religion down someone's throats. I find U2 to be a great source of
spiritual inspiration. stop being so picky!

The Bearded One..... 

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From: anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson)
Subject: Re: MWS Change Your World
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:14:55 GMT

Distribution: world

Bob Taylor writes
> Russell Soule (ras@controls.ccd.harris.com) wrote:
> : 


> : "The big finale, though, is a fresh look at 'Friends,' which is
> : celebrating 10 years. While the first recording, primitive by
> : comparison, may accent the wistfulness of parting friends, the new
> : recording is a big sounding anthem that will no doubt become a
> : tear-jerker for a whole new arena a fans."
> 
> this was nice, but Friends is still Friends - those who are sick of
> it still will be, those that aren't or who haven't heard it before
> will love it just as much.
> 
I get it.  You're saying that the correct new lyrics should say,

"Friends" is "Friends" forever ...
--
Claude Anderson
(812)877-8331
anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu    -  NeXT mail welcome
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From: mdk34398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike "The Beak" Krupicka)
Subject: Re: Music that makes you drive fast...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:18:11 GMT

gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:

>I've seen a number of posts on this subject already, and i'm just wondering...

>What songs make you want to roll down the windows and drive really fast?

My vote goes to the _Pat Nobody_ albumn by Nobody Special. The entire albumn
is definite driving music.

The Beak
beaker@uiuc.edu
As a dog returns to his vomit so does a fool to his folly. -- Solomon
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