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From: ghayalm@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod)
Subject: Re: Masjid -> What will the Arabs do ?
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:59:20 GMT

>|> >|> >>Nothing. I don't think Arabs(Muslims) identify with subcontinental
>|> >|> >>Muslims. You might hear the Ayotollah and a few others
>|> >|> >>make statements about India had better watch out when the
>|> >|> >>Muslims of the world unite and all that jazz. But, really,
>|> >|> >>I don't think Arab Muslims, on the average, give a hoot about
>|> >|> >>subcontinental Muslims. 
>|> >|> >>
>|> >|> >
>|> >|> >You are mistaken. The muslims in the arab world do care for the muslims
>|> >|> >in the subcondinent.
>|> >|> >
>|> >|> 
>|> >|> 
>|> >|> We shall see. Arabs haven't done much for there European Muslim
>|> >|> 'brothers' in the Balkans. I have yet to see an example of Muslim
>|> >|> 'brotherhood' which involves muslims other than the Arab Muslims.
>|> >
>|> >Go and read the article posted in soc.culture.pakistan about the Saudis
>|> >taking part in the 'jihad' of Bosnia.  For your kind info, the majority
>|> >of non-Afghans martyred in Afghanistan were Arabs.
>|> >
>|> >|> 
>|> >|> Rakesh
>|> >
>|> >Tariq
>|> 
>|> Put this article in soc.culture.Afghanistan, you will be laughed at.
>
>You'd better start reading some newspapers or magazines.  The fact which I mentioned
>is well documented by the western media (not any Arab media).
>
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 
>|> Manoj
>
>Tariq 
>Michigan State University


When Kuwait was attacked, how many Arabs tried to protect it?  When 
Saudi Arabia was supposedly in danger, how many Arabs went to the
front line?  Didn't they just beg US for help?  What are the Arabs
doing for the Muslims in Yugoslavia, are they not just asking the
US to intervene?  I have heard that they have just started helping
out in Somalia, but isn't it the US which has sent 20,000 troops
there?  They could not even protect their homeland, that is why I
have difficulty in believing you. I have heard Arabs claim this only
to be ridiculed by the Afghanistanis.  Any way I would appericiate
some refrences.


Manoj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: schoudhu@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Spandan Choudury)
Subject: INSDOC, New Delhi address.
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:50:33 GMT

Does anyone know the network address of the system personnel of any node
at INSDOC in New Delhi? Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: Serb confesses to atrocities
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:24:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.130601.10284@Cadence.COM> mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan) writes:
>Here is another report of the atrocities commited by the Serbian forces,
>truly what is happening to Muslims in this region is as worse, if not far
>worse than anything that happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany.

Hold it! Let us not exaggerate matters. The slaughter of Jews, Gypsies,
Gays, etc., by the Nazis is unparalleled in the history of the world.

 
>Please everyone make Du'ahs (Supplication) for our brothers and sisters
>in Bosnia and other regions and support them in any way that you can.

Everyone should do what they can to help. Not only Muslims.

 
>I was fortunate enough to meet some Bosnians at the weekend here in England,
>and what they need the most are weapons and military personnel as food and
>clothes get through alright, with the vast armies of Pakistan, Iran, Iraq (whats
>left of it), Saudia, Syria, Egypt, Turkey, Libya, and other "Muslim" countries

I agree that UN forces should be deployed. Europe should make a stand. It would
seem they have learned nothing from WW II.

>it's really a shame that we have to beg the united nations to do something,
>the people of these countries are showing their Islamic spirit by volunteering
>to join the Bosnians in their fight against this evil tyranical force.

You are viewing this as Serbs vs. Bosnians(Muslims). This is bigger than that.
It is Serbs vs. Croats, Bosnians(Christain and Muslim). Only solution will be
that will work is the one supported by the Europeans, US and UN. If you are hoping for a jihad
by the Arabs, Iranians, Pakistanis, etc., it seems very, very, very unlikely.
What a farce, when people continuely make incessant claims of Islamic unity.
The Gulf War, and other examples show that no claims can be made
of Islamic unity.

Oh! The situation in the Balkans is very, very complex. Any notions of it
being strictly a religion battle, are incorrect. Case in point. During WW II,
the Croats were slaughtering the Serbs by the thousands. Weren't they allied
with the Nazis? This region is like the Middle East with no long term 
solution in site. But, I agree, the Europeans should stand up to the Serbs
and put and end to their bloody campaign.

Rakesh Patel


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana)
Subject: Reality Check on Indians
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:42:16 GMT

Hi! Guys!

Come down to the reality. And have a check. When brinkmanship
was played out in the BM case, what did you guys expect. Now
you are going on bashing the PVNR govt for dismissing the
BJP ruled govt. What did you guys (protectors of constitution etc)
expect. It is politics, man. Rao did predictably what should be done.
You can't expect PV to sit idle, and not enforce the ban on VHP/RSS.
That will be ludicrous. When the BJP ruled states failed to do that,
he dismissed those govt. So why are liberals and BJP wallahs 
getting excited about it. That is the reality of politics. You
need a crisis in order to win elections and govern.  Think about
it. Indira Gandhi needed to be assasinated for Rajiv Gandhi
to come to power. VP Singh had to divide the country on caste lines
for him to come to power. Rajiv Gandhi had to be murdered for 
PV to come to power. That is politics of murder, crime, and communalism
in the so called India. Be realistic. So don't loose your sleep
and flood the networks with messages about how ashmed you are to be 
an indian, that you cannot enter 21st century etc. Cool it of guys.
This is all fun!


PV is going to call a mid term election. To have BJP rule in states
is not advantageous to PV. So he dismissed them. Ultimately any
elected leader has to go to the people and say to them he wants
their support for the actions he has taken.

...kt
From: srinivas@vision.crd.ge.com (Chukka Srinivas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: India -PVNR Indignant About Pak's Attempts to Policitize Ayodhya issue
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:13:08 GMT
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

In article <1992Dec11.151458.23491@news2.cis.umn.edu> prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>(G.Narotham Reddy) writes:
>>
>>New Delhi - Dec 10: Indian Prime Minister P.V.Narasimha Rao today strongly 
>>resented to Pakistan's attempts to politicize the Ayodhya developments in the 
>>international fora. Describing as unfortunate Pakistan's actions, Mr.Rao 
>
>Interesting it is to note that the combined Islamic heart bleeds profusely
>over the destruction of an inanimate mosque, but not for the millions of 
>their starving  Islamic brethren in Somalia.

>
>Satya Prabhakar

 Very well said.  
 Forget about Somalia. Even within thier own countries,
 they do not have either respect or value an ordinary
 muslim's life.
 If they are really worried about muslims, they would
 have concentrated thier energies to solve thier
 day to day problems and not on appealing to communal
 fears and prejudices.

 For that matter, how much is VHP/RSS is worried
 about ordinary hindus? And how much it really
 cares for human life, be it Hindu or Muslim?

 If they are really worried about Hindus,
 they would have mobilized people to address more
 important problems like food, shelter and better
 living conditions and not about temples, mosques,
 and so-called 'Islamic opression for centuries'
 (As if all the hindus in India are going thru
 this mental trauma because of this oppression!).

 It is disgusting to see these feudalistic and
 poltically and morally bankrupt forces survive
 on non-issues.

-srinivas.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: godura@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Subject: Re: This is for the "Secularists"
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:13:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.184632.8373@news2.cis.umn.edu> prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>   homogeneous (?) Muslim community in India is driven by one motivation-
>   spite for India. I never got that impression and I am sure I can
>   find one other person who agrees with me. 

Sure, I think I know the guy. Email me, and I might be able to trace him
for you ! :-) :-)

Ruchir.
-- 
Ruchir Godura | godura@cis.udel.edu | (302) 292-0668 (H) (302) 831-1949 (W)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM ()
Subject: Re: Riots in India - 1947, 1984, 1992
Originator: indu@iss700
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 16:05:53 GMT

In my  original article, I had two typos:

>   1947 - the riots which were engineered by the ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST
>          GROUP MUSLIM LEAGUE,  were politically motivated to carve out
>          a MUSLIM country. Fools are made to believe that THESE RIOTS
                             ^^^^^

             to be read as --> Fools and ignorant
            
>          a genuine reaction, and all the necessary concoctions.
>
>   1984 - the riots against the SIKH community is another classic example
>          of political maneuvers  to justify the nation, of a Prime Minister
>          candidate who is mis-fit every where else,  and trying to 
>          portray those rights as HINDU backlash. This way, they blackmailed
                         ^^^^^^
             ------->    riots

-Indu.
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From: amit@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu (Amit Srivastava -Aravas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: List of Baby names
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:54:43 GMT
Organization: Laboratory for Research on the Structure of Matter, University of Pennsylvania

Hi
Can somebody send me the list of baby names(both M/F)
Thanx in advance.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:24:06 EST
From: Deepak Srivastava <DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: 3 BJP ruled state govts. dismissed
 <BzC3q7.GrL@ucunix.san.uc.edu>

In article <BzC3q7.GrL@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj
Bhatnagar) says:
>
>BJP's failure was in its inability to control the militants and stop them
>from destroying the disputed structure.
>
>But the dismissal of the other three BJP Govts is the mistake he has
>made, losing the political advantage he might have accumulated earlier.
>But it seems that he is under too much pressure from (Arjun Singh + Communists
>+ leftists in Cong) and has to comply with their demands to maintain his
>position within Cong. He has no other choice. But Cong in the long run is
>going
>to suffer more than gain from these developments.
>

 Dismissing other three state governments may not turn out
to be a mistake after all. Read an article I just posted. As
you also note below this may  be an opportunity to corner
hard liners with in BJP/RSS etc. It can be achieved a) by
putting more pressure on them to translate their public
support into vote or b) lead, follow or get out of the way :->.

>
>(Just Grapevine :
>Almost reliable sources say that within non-arrested part of BJP/VHP
>the debate is rife about neutralizing those elements that broke the
>discipline, and
>disrupted party's strategic planning by demolishing the structure. Till
>now the finger is pointing in two directions - one, some over enthusiastic
>sadhus and two, the Shiv sena group. Sabotage of the plans by Shiv sena
>at the instigation of some outsiders (out of RSS/BJp/VHP etc) is also
>being given serious scrutiny)
>

Here I agree with you but Who were those people ??? What happened to the
much touted organisational skills of RSS? For a month before Dec 6 Vinay
Singh Katiyar (BD) claimed that this time (as opposed to the last
time) the entry of KarSevaks would be very controlled. Quite a few times
he also mentioned that all Kar Sevaks were issued ID cards to enter into
the area of action. Were these mere claims to mislead the PVNR govt ? And
the last question; if the final order for demolishing the BM did not came
from the top then why were members of the media were severely beaten exactly
half hour before the first blow ? Who so ever ordered an attack on the media
may have wanted that the actual demolition event were not covered so that
it could be blamed on any one else !!

regards..                     Deepak



>
>
>---raj
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: Babri Masjid.
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 02:53:08 GMT

neep@sgi.elec.uq.oz.au (Neep Hazarika) writes:



>Look at how peaceful Spain is now, after they drove the Moors out and
>RECONVERTED the mosques back to the churches that they once were.


Remind you. When the Moors were drove out of Spain, Spain was not
a Secular Country.

While what is happening in India is without evidence and disobeying 
the SC orders. It is shameful to  see all these stupidity in
Secular Country.

Bye
adil
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From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.latin-america,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: RELIGION:  The Opiate of False Believers
Date: 14 Dec 92 06:01:46 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

In article <TODD.92Dec14125908@athena.elcom.nitech.ac.jp> todd@juno.elcom.nitech.ac.jp writes:
>
>In article <Bz3sEs.8CJ@cs.dal.ca> kumar@ug.cs.dal.ca (kumar yelubandi) writes:
>
>>As I see it, religion is an artificial spirituality created by man 
>>to gain control over man.
>
>I thought that was the role of spectator sports!

No.  It's the satanic cult of Nintendo!

j n a
From: blda@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
Subject: Re: e-mail..x-PCV
Date: 11 Dec 92 12:33:16 -0500

In article <92343.220141NU185650@NDSUVM1.BITNET>, <NU185650@NDSUVM1.BITNET> writes:
> I WAS A PEACE CORPS VOLUNTEER IN NEPAL 88 - 90, AND WORKED WITH A US AID
> AG DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.  THEY HAD AN E-MAIL LINK, AT THAT TIME.  I'M NOT
> SURE WHAT BECAME OF IT AFTER THE PROJECT WAS COMPLETED IN LATE 90, BUT I
> THINK THE CAPABILITY IS THERE FOR IT.  YOU MIGHT CHECK WITH US AID OR
> UNDP.


To whomever,

I tried to send you this note but the mail was returned due to the
address not being found.  

Anyway, who are you?  My roomie was in Nepal as a PCV from late 1985-
late 1988.  Drop me a line at my personal address.

Thanks.

Moi


Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
From: nedervol@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Eric Nedervold)
Subject: Nepali cinema
Keywords: Nepali cinema
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 18:32:30 GMT

Are there any Nepali films on video or available in any other way outside
of Nepal?  

--Eric
From: akdag@hobo.ece.orst.edu (Ozden Akdag)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
Subject: test
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:28:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: hobo.9212131628.AA22320
Organization: ECE Dept.,OSU,Corvallis


test.
ozden
From: v103rz6k@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Osman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
Subject: test
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:53:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

this is a test.
sorry
os
From: bozkurt@grad.math.waterloo.edu (Bozkurt Celik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
Subject: test.test.test.ignore.ignore.ignore
Keywords: none
Date: 13 Dec 92 18:46:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: grad.9212131846.AA12925
Organization: University of Waterloo

test
bozkurt
celik
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 08:55:36 CST
From: <NU185650@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
Subject: RELIGOUS VIOLENCE

HAS ANYONE HEARD ABOUT THE CURRENT SITUATION IN NEPAL, CONCERNING THE HINDU-
MOSLEM CLASHES IN INDIA.  HAS THERE BEEN A SPILL OVER.  RECENTLY I READ ABOUT
SOME TROUBLE AT A HINDU TEMPLE IN SOUTHERN NEPAL (MAYBE 3 WEEKS AGO), THE
DISTRUCTION OF A HOLY BOOK.  ANY FURTHER NEWS?
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 10:45:28 CST
From: <NU185650@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
Subject: Re: e-mail..x-PCV
 <92343.220141NU185650@NDSUVM1.BITNET> <1992Dec11.123316.1957@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>

MOI,

MY NAME IS BILL BENJAMIN AND MY WIFE IS CINDY.  WE BOTH SERVED IN NEPAL 88
TO 90.  WE WERE POSTED AS AG VOLUNTEERS IN THE NATIONAL AG RESEARCH AND
SERVICES CENTRE, AT KUMHALTAR NEAR KATHMANDU.  WE LIVED NEAR THERE.  WE  WERE
GROUP 165-A, AND OUR TRAINING WAS AT BATALECHAR, NEAR POKHARA.

WHO'S YOUR ROOMIE?  WHAT PROGRAM?

WE ARE LIVING HAPPILY EVER AFTER IN NORTH DAKOTA.

BILL
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nepal
From: senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan)
Subject: hello everybody....
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:13:31 GMT


Test before questions.....

HGS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: This Psalm thingummyjig
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:16:40 GMT

From article <BzCxy9.Lq@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, by morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay):
> 
> M ( still a bit tipsy afer Chrustmas lunch)
> 
> -- 
> Morna Findlay 					JANET:morna@uk.ac.ed.dcs 

Christmas lunch? I though we were only 5 hours behind the UK? 

												gw

Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: ulick@michaelangelo.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Subject: Re: This Favorite Lie Again (clarification)
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:26:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.110624.1@jaguar.uofs.edu> littlec1@jaguar.uofs.edu (Chris Little) writes:
>
>While I'm aware that the recent elections reflected badly on Sinn Fein support
>and while I believe that IRA support in Eire is diminishing, I'm not convinced
>it's dead and don't know if it ever will be.  Any support is SIGNIFICANT. 
>Perhaps I should have that used word in the first place.

By my reckoning 5% of voters in Ireland (Eire) voted for Sinn Fein in the recen
elections in the UK and Free State.  In the Free State the vote was up 
slightly on the last election, while support in the North was unchanged.
Much ado was made of the fact that Gerry Adams lost his seat in Westminster
in the Northern elections but this fact so blantely spun by British 
Propagandists was due entirely to OUP supporters voting for the SDLP
candidate.  Like it or not, Sinn Fein support is steady and is not diminishing.


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
+ 'There was a  master come unto the earth, + Ulick Stafford, PP-ASEL       +
+    born in the holy land of Indiana,      + Dept of Chemical Engineering, +
+ in the mystical hills east of Fort Wayne'.+ Notre Dame, IN 46556          +
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From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: New World Order - what about NI???
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:35:04 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <28026@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:

   So what better solution than for the British to approach the UN and ask
   that the World help in solving the troubles in Northern Ireland? At the
   very least, remove British troops from the Island and allow "neutral"
   forces to attempt to keep the peace. What would be the result of such a
   move? Would violence be directed at the UN troops? From both sides? Would
   the situation simply continue as it has in recent years? Would either side
   or both feel more driven to take part in serious peace talks?

Off the top of my head, I'd guess that the nationalist terrorists would
continue to attack the UK state much as before, and the unionist terrorists,
furious at the lessening of British influence, would wage a large-scale
terrorist war on the UN forces, the IRA, or the nationalist population in
general.
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

		
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: kelley@sanders.lockheed.com (Sean Kelley)
Subject: Re: The Fairy Flag, An Bratach Si/th
Reply-To: kelley@sanders.lockheed.com
Organization: Lockheed Sanders, Inc., Nashua, NH
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:57:58 GMT

In article 8114@samba.oit.unc.edu, anlan@med.unc.edu (Anne Landin) writes:
>I have seen the fairy flag as I guess everyone who has visited Dunvegan
>has.  As I recall, it looks like it might be a piece of linen and has some
>lines or bits of color here and there.  It is just a fragment and hangs
>framed on a wall.  No one really knows where it came from although there
>are many legends.  It is obviously very old.  One more believable story I
>heard was that it was brought back from the crusades.
>Anne Landin
>UNC-Chapel Hill
>anlan@med.unc.edu
>
Here's one legend that I remember of "an Bratach Si/th"
  
"  A MacLeod Chief fell in love with a beautiful fairy lady, an' she with him.  Though
   both families opposed the match, eventually it was allowed-but with the stipulation that the fairy lady
  might remain with her human lord for only a year or until the birth of an heir, whichever came first.
  Well, the Chief an' his fairy bride were deliriously happy, an' just before the year was out, she bore him 
  a son.  But then she must return to her people.

  But during the festivities to celebrate the birth of the Chiefs' heir, his nurse left him sleeping in his 
  cradle in the tower.  As will happen, th' wee bairn kicked off his blankets and began tae fret.  His
  nurse didnae hear his cries, but the mother did.  Drawn by her love for her bairn, she came back
  across the Fairy Bridge tae comfort him, an' wrapped him in her shawl against the cold.  She
  fled when the nurse returned, but there was no mistakin' where the shawl had come from. "
  
                 Sean
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