HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bonetti@cs.unibo.it (Pierluigi Bonetti)
Subject: Mail gateway
Keywords: mail gateway interworking
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, University of Bologna, Italy
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:18:51 GMT



I'm trying to understand more about existing mail gateways.
How many kind of mail gateway exists in the world?
I heard something about a few of them (PMDF, GIVEME, MX). 
Does anybody know other of them or know where could I find more
informations? 
Thanks a lot for your help.

---
Pierluigi Bonetti

University of Bologna
bonetti@cs.unibo.it
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: kevin@edscom.demon.co.uk (Kevin Broadey)
Subject: What is POP3
X-Disclaimer: These opinions are mine: others available on request.
Reply-To: Kevin Broadey <kbroadey@edscom.demon.co.uk>
Organization: EDS-Scicon, Milton Keynes, UK
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:20:05 GMT

I got hold of WinQVT/Net recently.  For those who don't know, it's a
PC-based TCP/IP client which provides Telnet (with DEC VT emulation),
FTP, Mail (POP3), News (NNTP) and lpr clients and an FTP server.

The trouble is, I don't know what POP3 is.  Will someone please point me
to where I can find out.

Please send e-mail because I don't read this group.  I will post a
summary if there's a lot of interest.

TIA

Kevin
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
From: bengtl@maths.lth.se (Bengt Larsson)
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 07:16:46 GMT

In article <5-hp_zn@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
>casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik) writes:
>
>>Whether or not it is illegal to send out junk mail, writing a program
>>to collect address from Usenet will only costs a few man-minutes.
>>Sending a mass mailing to those people costs only a few man-minutes as well
>>(and many computer hours). It's too cheap/easy to allow and of
>>questionable legality.
>
>No question regarding the legality in the US.  

This may change, though. 

>Junk email is here to stay
>just like paper email is.  

This is wishful thinking on your part.

>The ONLY effective thing you can do about
>it is to ignore it so that it becomes an unsuccessful marketing technique.

As long as you get business, it doesn't matter how many people get PO'd.

>>How long before we get hundreds of junk mail messages each day? Each
>>from a different address/with a different subject. I've better
>>things to do than collect the few interresting ones from the
>>hundreds of unwanted messages. 
>
>Emminent death of the Internet is at hand.  *sigh*  Hundreds?  Really?
>What an imagination.

Why? The guy starting this sent thousands. Since it's so cheap for the
advertiser to send junk email, I think there is a risk.

>My heart's bleeding.  I believe these same people pay for their news
>including all the bitching that has gone on regarding this topic.  The
>volume of which has grossly exceed that of the junk mail.  

People have the right to decide what they should get. What you are
saying is "You get so much news, so I think you should get some of
my ads too." Really, now.

>I believe
>these underpriviledged people who have to pay also pay for non-junk-but-
>unsolicited mail, 

"Unsolicited" pretty much defines "junk".

>flame response mail, bounced mail and so on.  Like I
>said, my heart bleeds.

Really. You are interested in sending out junk e-mail, aren't you?
Just to put things in perspective. 

Bengt L.
-- 
Bengt Larsson - bengtl@maths.lth.se

Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:3276 news.admin.misc:96
From: casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:13:10 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam

jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:

>Surely you don't think it had either effect, do you?  You don't REALLY
>think malicious mailbombing does anything except make people mad, do you?
>Since the mailer's original actions are perfectly legal while malicious 
>retalliation can constitute any number of criminal offences here in
>the US, someone victimized by this mailbombing who chooses to be
>agressive could cause a lot of people a lot of problems.

Mail bombing is not a good idea. Sending a message back that you're
angry and don't want any further &*#$ from them is acceptable.
If you send out some 10,000 messages and you get back so many
angry replies that it is an enormous amount of work to get out the
good replies, that will send these people a clear message.

The fact that the mailbox of these people overflowed will, hopefully, tell
other companies that junk mail isn't such a good idea.

Whether or not it is illegal to send out junk mail, writing a program
to collect address from Usenet will only costs a few man-minutes.
Sending a mass mailing to those people costs only a few man-minutes as well
(and many computer hours). It's too cheap/easy to allow and of
questionable legality.

>The proper way to handle junk mail is simply to delete it.  What's so 
>hard about that?

First, I'd say the proper way is replying that you want to hear nothing 
from them again, ever. Second, gathering addresses in a database without
the addressees' consent is a criminal offense in some countries.
Third, one junk message can easily be deleted, but what if we allow this?
How long before we get hundreds of junk mail messages each day? Each
from a different address/with a different subject. I've better
things to do than collect the few interresting ones from the
hundreds of unwanted messages. It's likely we'd have to do this by hand.
The fourth reason is the fact that many people pay for the e-mail they
receive. The paper junk mail I get comes free of charge, the e-mail
junk does not.

Junk mail, just say no.

Casper
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:3347 news.admin.misc:145
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Date: 12 Oct 92 08:39:49 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

bruce@ais.com (Bruce C. Wright) writes:

>> Well since Clemson is in Alabama and only serves as the MX backup to 
>> Emory, one can safely assume they said nothing.  I have a pretty good
>> idea what was said from Emory too.

>Last I checked the orange tiger paws on the road to Death Valley (the
>Clemson football stadium) still led to Clemson, South Carolina.  8-)

Clemson, Crimson... Close :-)  Was that freud or what???

>Do people really expect that the administrators at all these sites
>are going to inspect all the e-mail that's going through their site
>to see if it meets the network guidelines?  I don't think this is
>reasonable 

I don't think it is reasonably possible either.  The solution, of course,
is to either get rid of silly AUPs or don't interconnect with networks
more liberal than yours.  The whole problem arises, of course, when 
someone, usually with a .uk in the name, whines that the rest of the 
world must conform to their view of network behavior.  It's like the old
story about the mother watching her bumbling son in the parade and
saying "I wonder why everyone else is out of step?"

>I'm not happy with the ethics that are implied by making this sort of
>inspection routine at large numbers of sites, to say nothing of the
>cost in lost time and productivity.  Is this really what people want?

No, it is simply that a number of people feel compelled to try and tell
others what to do.  It is the same compulsion that on a governmental level
results in stupid laws.  Fortunately there is no practical enforcement 
mechanism on the net whereby someone can play "boss".

John

-- 
John De Armond, WD4OQC               |Interested in high performance mobility?  
Performance Engineering Magazine (TM) |
Marietta, Ga                         |Interested in high tech and computers? 
jgd@dixie.com                        |Write me about PE Magazine
Need Usenet public Access in Atlanta?  Write Me for info on Dixie.com.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: jinho@iti.gov.sg (Tan Jin Ho)
Subject: Wanted: PC Windows Email for Unix Mail
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, S'pore.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:04:01 GMT


I am looking for an MS Windows-based Email application program that runs on
top of standard PC TCP/IP networks and uses SMTP and/or POP. (ie. it can
read and send UNIX mail).

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.


Tan Jin Ho
jinho@iti.gov.sg

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 06:46:53 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.
Keywords: question legal use email

ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant) writes:

>Yeah, good point. I kinda wonder what Emory and Clemson told Gwinnett Inc.,
>and what Gwinnett Inc. told its clients. 

Well since Clemson is in Alabama and only serves as the MX backup to 
Emory, one can safely assume they said nothing.  I have a pretty good
idea what was said from Emory too.  

>Have we got companies conducting
>corporate business over research segments of the Internet, because they
>don't know any better? I'm not saying that these universities or this
>network provider are involved, but it's only when something like a random
>mailshot happens that we would ever find out about it!

There he goes with that "we" crap again.  What is it with a few of you
Brits that you think you're involved in internal American affairs?
Or even know enough to intelligently comment?

More to the point, Gwinnette and Dixie are similarly configured commercial
public access sites.  I maintain multiple commercial network connections
in addition to those with academic institutions such as Emory.  I do that
for reliability and to insulate myself from policy vagrancies that may
arise from any one connection site.

Now you and a few others have been masturbating over emory being
in the mail path.  Let's just suppose for the sake of argument
that this mail that you've screamed about routed instead through
a commercial connection like PSInet or UUNET that has no academic AUP?
What would you scream about then?

This hypothetical really brings the issue to a head.  It points out that
if some net does not want a certain kind of traffic, it is its 
responsibility to do the filtering.  Since there is no "commercial"
bit in the IP header, the whole concept is silly.  The "solution" to
your problem is the one I suggested a few days ago. Either pull the 
plug or accept the net as it exists.

John
-- 
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Performance Engineering Magazine (TM) |
Marietta, Ga                         |Interested in high tech and computers? 
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Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:3399 comp.sys.novell:8249 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:4759
From: naomi@rock.concert.net (Naomi T Courter)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Sending a flashing e-mail message
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:31:09 GMT
Distribution: comp.mail.misc
Organization: CONCERT-CONNECT -- Public Access UNIX

Does anyone know how to sending a message that flashes  
"Happy Birthday".  One of the users here remembered 
getting one and she wants to send one to a friend. 

Any hints would be really appreciated.  Thank you. 

Naomi L.T. Courter
MCNC - Center for Communications
CONCERT-CONNECT
naomi@concert.net
(919)  248-1807
---------------
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:3343 news.admin.misc:142
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:37:56 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <1b7utuINNr8k@uwm.edu> jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes:
>As for these messages appearing on "foreign" (relative to the USA)
>networks, well...  *you* folks voluntarily connected to our
>network(s).  That places _some_ responsibility for appropriateness 
>of traffic on you.

Huh? Who is 'our' in this context? The Internet Activities Board?
DARPA? The US Government? Are you speaking on their behalf?

The international e-mail internet is a common resource, using many 
different protocols (the message _I_ got from Abacus arrived via
Coloured Book protocols). Perhaps you ought to learn something about
international networking before you assume it's all run from the USA.
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:3380 news.admin.misc:164
From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: More unsolicited advertising e-mail.
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:33:32 GMT
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066
Content-Type: text

jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:

> I really appreciate your posting that ad.  I'm nuts about fractals and 
> read whatever I can on the subject.  I'll be subscribing just as soon as 
> I get the full text of the ad from that fellow.

Go ahead, that's your privilege to do so, and you needn't inform me.

> See how useful net.advertising is?  Even when you don't mean to?

It may be just my imagination, John, but after reading several of your
negative comments on several subjects to several people one word comes 
to mind:  "Wanker".

Of all the private e-mail I received regarding my posting here about
bringing attention to the fractals ad (an ad sent from a government site
with a strict AUP), I received *two* negative responses -- and yes, one
was from you, John.

By making these things public, it keeps things in check.  Otherwise these
types of ad posts/mailings -- at both taxpayer and personal expense --
are going to escalate.

Can't you see the difference between a commercial site connected to a
network, and using the network for commercial gain, John?  Or are you
really that dense?

--------------------------------------------------------
Steve Frampton -- frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Vicuna Systems BBS  (613) 547-5066  [9600 v.32/v.42 bis]
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:3313 news.admin.misc:120
From: wpns@miki.pictel.com (Willie Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:33:59 GMT
Organization: PictureTel Corporation

In article <bvsahl.e4a@wang.com> fitz@wang.com (Tom Fitzgerald) writes:
>
>Nothing will do this.  The problem will only ever be repeated by new-
>comers who have never heard of any prior incidents.  You can't discourage
>the people who haven't joined the net yet.

Well, I dunno, it seems to me that a flamefest and mailbombing run on
everyone who does such a thing will eventually ensure that newcomers
will get the word as soon as they get their network connection.  Kind
of "Welcome to the net, be sure not to make the following mistakes."

Willie Smith
wpns@pictel.com

[BTW: I didn't get the junk mail, didn't send anything to the idiots
who sent it out, and think the folks who sold them network services
should have ensured they knew what the net _was_ before taking their
money.]
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: "bill daddis" <bill.daddis@canrem.com>
Subject: mail out of at&t
Reply-To: "bill daddis" <bill.daddis@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:59:29 EST

to: dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com

Hi David,
Hope you don't mind answering a question from a perfect stranger, but I
saw your posting on the "UUCP" newsgroup and I thought, "Aha, here's a
knowledgable guy who can tell me what I don't seem able to find out
elsewhere!"
The problem is this:  I'm trying to communicate via E-mail with some old
friends at Bell Labs from this rather clumsy DOS gateway into the Unix
net.  (canrem.com is a commercial BBS I subscribe to, and they have a
Unix gateway.  Now I can send messages out to the net by specifying the
recipient as soandso@thingy.com, or whatever, and presumably it will get
there.  for mail back to me, the address is given Internet style, as
"bill.daddis@canrem.com".  So far, so good.  But when I left the Labs
about five years ago, and I believe for sometime after that, people at
Whippany, Holmdel, etc. had to use bang paths on outgoing mail.  Is this
still true?  How would someone at (say) mtuno send mail to me?  Is there
a special path they need to specify to get messages out of the AT&T Unix
system?  I see messages in the various newsgroups from Murray Hill
(system "alice") and Columbus (who always seemed to have a closer link
with the USENET, for some reason), but I've yet to see any messages
posted from the Whippany Lab, or from Holmdel.  I could probably figure
out a "bang path" from !att! to here if I had to, to pass along to my
friends, but it sure would be nice if there were an easier way.
Many thanks indeed for any help you can offer!
Regards,
    -- Bill
bill.daddis@canrem.com
Toronto, Ontario
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From:  avsht@sph.spb.su (Alexander Shturm)
Subject: Public access UNIX hosts -- where and how?
Reply-To: avsht@sph.spb.su
Organization: Center SuperPhysica
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:05:14 GMT

Hi everybody!

I've heard about existance of public access UNIX hosts in the USA.
Does anyone is able to obtain his own Internet e-mail address?
How to contact them? Is a complete list somewhere?

I am especially interesting in getting the list of public access
UNIX hosts in Israel. Is if only one over there?

Thanks in advance,
/Alex

-- 
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================  ||   Russia (xSU)   ||  FidoNet:  2:5030/8.18, /43.18
Tel.: +7-(812)-233-9148 (home)   +7-(812)-310-4631 (office)
From: jbayer@ispi.COM (Jonathan Bayer)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Setting up a second machine in an existing domain (how?)
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:32:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intelligent Software Products, Inc.


Greetings.  Being unable to locate the proper information (I did RTFM) I
appeal to the net for help.

This system is registered as ispi.COM.  I have to be able to add a
second (and more) machine to this domain as a leaf node, but I do not
want (or think it is necessary) to register the additional machines. 
ispi.COM is running smail2.5, and there is an old version of deliver
running (soon to be upgraded).  How do I do this, and what do I need to
do?

Thanks.  Please e-mail if possible, I will summarize if there is
interest.


JB
-- 
Jonathan Bayer		Intelligent Software Products, Inc.
(908) 248-1853		37 Winthrop Rd. 
jbayer@ispi.COM		Edison, NJ   08817
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From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Keywords: question legal use email
Date: 7 Oct 92 09:38:02 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <41fp=s-@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
>I have an idea.  Why don't you delicate Brit Pussys just pull your internet
>plug?  That'll stop your junk mail for sure.  Most other users can simply
>hit the "d" key or whatever their mailer uses to delete a message.

Hey, don't get nasty!  I was just pointing out that this didn't just hit
the US Internet (which Abacus helps to fund with their taxes), but everyone
else's as well (which they don't).

Btw, Brad, I'm not sure what you mean about e-mail vs. paper junk mail.
People who send paper junk mail pay for it.  If they send it overseas, some
of that payment goes to the people who deliver it at the other end.
Now it may just be naivety on your part, but I think you should know that
international networks don't come for free, nor do they operate without
people supporting them.
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:3274 news.admin.misc:94
From: barrett@daisy.ee.und.ac.za (Alan P Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Question about unsolicited Internet Email.
Date: 7 Oct 1992 13:19:46 +0200
Organization: Dept. Elec. Eng., Univ. Natal, Durban, S. Africa
NNTP-Posting-Host: daisy.ee.und.ac.za
Keywords: question legal use email

In article <1992Oct6.132642.12355@Gwinnett.COM>,
todd@Gwinnett.COM (Todd Reese) writes:
> The bombing run was much more distructive than orginal mail.  Five Meg.
> more distructive.

What bombing run?  If thousands of individuals each independently sent
a reasonably short complaint, that could easily add up to 5 Meg, and I
would *not* classify it as a bombing run.  Anyhow, I suspect that the
original mail used more than 5 Meg of storage.

(BTW, I was one of those who sent a reasonably short complaint.)

--apb
Alan Barrett, Dept. of Electronic Eng., Univ. of Natal, Durban, South Africa
RFC822: barrett@ee.und.ac.za                    Bang: m2xenix!undeed!barrett
From: abacus@global.Gwinnett.COM
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Helpful Tips For This week
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:55:31 GMT
Organization: ABACUS GLOBAL SUPPORT, INC., MIAMI, FLORIDA


			ABACUS GLOBAL SUPPORT, INC.
  			  HELPFULL HINTS ON 1-2-3
			      FOR PCs AND MACs


There is a quick way to adjust column widths with 1-2-3 ver. 2.3 and 1-2-3 for Windows.  Place the mouse 
pointer on the right boarder of the colume title.  The cursur will change to a double headed arrow pointing 
left and right, this indicates that you can change the width of the cell by dragging the pointer either left or 
right.  Once the column is set to your width just let the mouse botton go.

To center a heading using 1-2-3 ver. 1.3 or 2.3's WYSIWYG that occupies several columns just load 
WYSIWYG from the add-in options (ALT F10).  From the WYSIWYG menu, select Text, Align, and 
Center or what ever format you perfer.  Highlight the range of the heading and press Enter.  To align the 
heading with the column it corresponds to, choose Text and Clear, highlight the range of cells with the 
headings, then press Enter.   For 1-2-3 for Windows, select the cells that you want centered then click the 
Center SmartIcon.  

To set your 1-2-3 to go into a directory your in by typing the program name provided that 1-2-3 is in your 
PATH statement.  Open 1-2-3 then select Worksheet, Global, Default, Directory.  Delete the current 
directory then press Enter and then select Update.  This will allow you to start up 1-2-3 from any directory 
you in and work with the worksheets saved in that directory.

To move around a large spreadsheet quickly and efficiently you can use the F5 (GOTO) key for the range 
prompt or F3 (NAME) for a short list of range names.  By pressing F3 twice, you can see a full screen 
listing of range names.

				COURTASY OF:
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: jbk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Jamal Bassam Kaddoura)
Subject: Internet/Bitnet
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:58:21 GMT



  I need some help on how to send mail from an internet account to a
bitnet account.

  I am trying to reach a friend at the internet host: umcnx1.missouri.edu
at the University of Missouri in Columbia but for some reason I am unable
to reach this host. I know that the address is valid.  

Also I know another host on Bitnet:  MIZZOU1 but I don't know how to send
mail from an internet account to a bitnet account. Another question is how
to find a person's login? if I know their name because you can't use 
finger on bitnet.

Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you.

Jamal.
jbk1@cec1.wustl.edu

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU>
Subject: re: Conversion from mh to imap mailboxes. 
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
To: adz@mitre.org
Organization: University of Washington
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:05:08 GMT

The University of Washington IMAP server supports mh mailboxes, albeit
read-only.

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,news.admin.misc