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From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Which SA .45 acp to purchase
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:55:08 GMT
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma

In article <9212100000.AA12684@mtu.edu> cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) writes:
#In article <1992Dec7.172628.7363@chpc.org>, rboudrie@chpc.org
#(Rob Boudrie) writes:
#
## #2)  The feed ramp is integral with the barrel, meaning it will feed
## #    just about anything while the Colt or Springfield hangs up.  This
## #    is an expensive gunsmithing operation many Colt owners eventually
## #    opt for anyway - might as well start out right.  (this is true if
#
#It wouldn't seem like this would be an *expensive* modification (well,
#OK, I'm not familiar with the guts of the .45's).  I used to work on
#S&W 39's and it was a simple operation to polish the feed ramp, and
#machine the frame lugs to match the ramp...

Fitting an integral ramp bbl to a 1911 type of pistol involves machining a 
notch into the frame to accomodate the ramp.  This is a somewhat tricky
operation, and requires use of a milling machine.  Gunsmiths who are setup
for this kind of thing generally charge by the job, not by the hour, so this 
fitting operation will set you back $50 - $100 (not counting the new bbl).

This "integral ramp bbl" is a virtual requirement on 38 super IPSC guns
(since it leaves very little case head exposed, thereby allowing use of very
high pressure rounds), however, it is not all that common on .45 1911 custom
guns.  In my opinion a gunsmith who claims that this is necessary to get 
relaible functioning in a .45 is lacking something in the skill department.

Presence of this "integral ramp cut" in the stock ParaOrd is a mized blessing.
If you ever go "full custom", the ramp but may not be *exactly* the size you 
would want to match a specific make of custom bbl, and will also constrain you
to "ramped 45 bbl only" (a breed about as uncommon as the unramped 38 super
bbl).

#
## #If you go this route, and plan to use it for competition use, be sure to get 
## #the STEEL frame rather than the alloy.  The steel frame is heavier, and will 
## #last longer under heavy use, IMHO.  This may not be as important for carry 
## 
## It's also easier to perform custom machine work (checkering, etc.) on.
#
#I think it's more difficult to do the custom work on a steel frame.
#The alloy aluminum is easy to machine, steel takes more time
#(especially for checkering tools...).  For machining, the only

Steel is harder, but is much nicer to machine.  It tends to cut smoothly,
and does not gum up cutting tools like alumimum can.  Stainless, on the 
other hand, tends to "tear" when cut, and is very difficult to machine.
The choice for virtually all customs guns is carbon steel (which is then
hard chromed if one wants a stainless like appearance).

                                        rob b.
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 9mm shootings (2)
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:42:12 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <RTARAZ.92Dec10140734@bigwpi.WPI.EDU> rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:

}the gases comming out of a blank probably have the same speed and
}pressure as a regular bullet shooting out a bullet, the only
}difference is that they dont shoot anything. 
}
}now, stand a few feet (maybe a few yards) away from the barrel and you
}wont feel a thing,  other that the sound and maybe a shockwave!

And the felt wad punching a hole in you.  That's probably what killed John
Hexum -- the felt wad that holds the powder in the blank cartridge.  It
wouldn't have the range of a bullet, but it's muzzle velocity should be
pretty spectacular given a guesstimated weight of around 10 grains.

Blanks are _not_ toys.  Guns loaded with them are _loaded_, just like any
other firearm with any other ammunition.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                Do not meddle in the affairs of
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483  dragons, for you are crunchy
Santa Monica, CA  90405                        and go well with ketchup.
From: reidld@ecf.toronto.edu (Lloyd D Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Time Restriction on Gun Sales?
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:55:44 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility

In article <9212140537.AA05977@mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU> C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob) writes:
#
#Is there any law on the federal level that specifies a time period
#between the purchase of a gun and the selling of it?
#.....

What about 'strawman' sales?  I'm not sure if this is defined as
'purchasing a gun for someone else', or 'purchasing a gun for an
ineligible person'.  Whatever the definition, this is probably all
you have to watch out for.  (Ask BATF???)
-- 
reidld@ecf.toronto.edu (Daniel Chisholm)
reidld@ecf.toronto.edu (Daniel Chisholm)
From: barber@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Alan V. Barber)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Media for vibratory cleaner
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:41:58 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA

I recently bought a Lyman "Turbo Tumbler" case cleaner and it works just
fine; but I'm wondering what kind of media to use.  The instruction manual
gives no hint, nor do they even say what kind came with it.  The Lyman
catalog sells corn cob media and rouge-bearing crushed nut shells.  They
also sell "media reactivator" and liquid case cleaner for use in a tumbler.

So what kind of media should one use?  When does it wear out?  Can it be
reactivated?  How does one use this liquid case cleaner?  Do you recommend
it?

Al.
From: young@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca (STEPHEN YOUNG)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: French Foriegn Legion
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:17:20 GMT
Organization: Holland College - Charlottetown PEI

French Foriegn carry.
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Price for COLT Gold CUP
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:17:49 GMT
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)

In article <9212151447.AA23427@dvorak.amd.com>, martin@dvorak.amd.com
(Martin Schuessler) writes:
|> I don't have any info on what the dealer's cost is for a new (blue)
|> Gold Cup.
|> Anyone with an FFL and a supply of mail order catalogs: What's the
|> going
|> rate for a Gold Cup ??? I might be in the market for one, and need
|> some
|> bargaining leverage.
|> 
|> Martin
|> 
 Along with what Martin writes does anyone know the status
of "Colt Firearms" and are they still producing for the
civilian market. I too have my eyes open for a gold cup.
I am also looking for a standard 1911 Colt .45 in good
condition, used. In the Eastern PA area (or North Jersey).

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From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: AMT Longslide?  Any good?
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:20:46 GMT
Organization: Circle 'C' Shellfish Ranch, Shores of the Pacific, California

all this debate about the AMT Backup got me to look it up in my 
Shooters Bible.  Right under it was a listing for the AMT Longslide.

It would seem to be a Stainless 1911 clone of some type with a 7 inch
bbl.  I'm fond of long bbls, and I'm looking for a 1911 clone ...

2 questions:  Is it any good?  (AMT .45 1911s in general...)
and ... Does the long slide make the gun unbalanced in any way?

I'd hate to buy one just to find that it didn't have the feel of the
Colt I've come to love...  I'm willing to accept a bit rougher 
action, but not a gross im-ballance...

-- 

E. Michael Smith  ems@apple.COM

'Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.  Boldness has
 genius, power and magic in it.'  -  Goethe

I am not responsible nor is anyone else.  Everything is disclaimed.
From: rmorrow@afit.af.mil (Robert K Morrow)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: If I was stranded on an Islanded & could only have 1 gun..
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:21:19 GMT
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology

#In article <9212042008.aa28787@s.s.ms.uky.edu> miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) writes:
#Think about it, if you were stranded on an island and could only have ONE
#pistol, what would you choose?
#
#
A water pistol.  A BIG water pistol.  Fully loaded with the low sodium
stuff.

				Bob Morrow
From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: A gun in the home....
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:23:21 GMT
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma

#the Beretta; I haven't tried it). Since it is impossible for either
#of these pistols to fire unless the trigger is pulled (well, on the
#SIGS and the Beretta 92FS/G/D/C, anyway), they are going to be safer

Unless you pull the trigget draw bar on the Beretta 92 series back
towards the read of the gun (same direction as the trigger), in  which
case it could be argued that you are in fact pulling the trigger, though
indirectly.

#with the trigger lock on than they would be in your holster...



                                        rob b.
From: gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun blast noise in a car?
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:08:06 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Lab, APG MD.


In article <1992Dec14.183537.4636@athena.cs.uga.edu> boone@athena.cs.uga.edu (Roggie Boone) writes:
#Are certain loads "better" for noise suppression (and/or ricochet)

Subsonic loads will not be quite as hard on the ears as supersonic.
You shouldn't have to worry much about richochet with any industrial-
strength defense round.

#Or should one forget about the ears and just be happy to be alive

If you don't have an opportunity to insert EARS earplugs or put on
a muff-style hearing protector, then yes, just defend yourself and
realize that you may suffer hearing problems later.

#(or pray the noise doesn't knock you out and cause you to run off
#the road and hit a tree)?

If you're the one driving, you should try to bring the car to a stop
before (or at least while) engaging in a gunfight.  Suddenly braking
may offer an especially good opportunity to take the initiative.
From: emory!ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: dealing with a police officer
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:34:48 GMT
Organization: Gannett Technologies Group

In article <92349.130144IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Nicholas C. Hester) writes:
#In article <1992Dec11.015633.9398@ncsu.edu>, hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E.
#Schaffer) says:
##
##  An NC Ass't Atty General (and ex-police officer) told me that when
##talking through the drivers window that having both hands grasping
##the steering wheel at 12 o'clock was a good non-threatening posture.
#
#At night it might also be a good idea to turn the dome light on to
#illuminate the interior of the vehicle.  This would allow the officer
#to see everything you are doing.  I've never done this in practice,
#what does everyone else think?

This is an excellent suggestion. Every officer I've talked to likes it.
They also prefer you to stay in the car unless they ask you to exit the
vehicle. This is for your safety when stopping along a busy highway.
They also say that you should pull as far off the highway as possible.
They will park their vehicle slightly closer to the edge of the highway
to protect both you and themselves from traffic. Most troopers are injured
or killed by traffic, not gunfire.

Gary
From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: A gun in the home (UPDATE!)
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:48:16 GMT
Organization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma

In article <1992Dec18.210956.9236@ttinews.tti.com> hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
#In article <9212151312.AA15068@mimsy.cs.UMD.EDU> C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob) writes:
#
#}... What she wants me to get is a Bio-Scan safe - the kind that
                                    ^^^^^^^^
This name is highly misleading...Sort of like calling a combination
dial a kinedynamic cerebral interface security access unit.

#}scans your fingerprints.  I found their ad, which states that they
#}start at $157.95.  The maker is Bedford Technologies.
#}
#}Does anyone have more info on these safes?
#
#I've seen one demonstrated.  They do _not_ scan your fingerprints.  When
#you insert your hands on either side your fingers contact two switches
#each.  You can set the safe to open for any given combination of switches.
#You can also set a maximum retry count.  Retries are displayed by a 7
#segment LED counter on the front.  If you exceed the retry limit the
#electronic opener shuts down and the safe must be opened with a key.  The
#key is also necessary in the event of power failure.
#
#A small child wouldn't be able to get their fingers on all the switches
#and there's nothing to feel for manipulation purposes.  The total number
#of possible combinations is 65,535 (excluding 0).
#

65,535 is highly misleading, as it assumes simutaneous operation by 
both hands each of which has access to 8 switches.  (65535 = 2^16-1).
If you assume one handed operation it means that either subset of
8 switches is accessible, the combinations drop to 510 (2*(2^8-1)).
If you assume one handed operation by the owner's "strong hand", and
know what hand that is, the combinations drop to 255  (2^8-1).

#Given the key, I don't see this as significantly different from any
#securely keyed safe for purposes of keeping a child out.  The so-called
#Bio-Scan feature is just to let you get at the gun quickly in an
#emergency.  It provides no additional security beyond that.
#
#The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
#Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                Do not meddle in the affairs of
#3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483  dragons, for you are crunchy
#Santa Monica, CA  90405                        and go well with ketchup.
#
From: damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: TMI BBS/email issues
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:24:24 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


this is just a note to let folks know that i'll be out of town dec 19
through 26, thus anyone calling the TMI BBS will not likely be upgrade 
to fulluser status during that time. The only restriction on newusers
is that they cannot download files from the file library. otherwise,
newusers can still read all public conferences and post to them.

This is also to mention that Pete Kasler has been virtually sequestered
putting the finishing touches on his new book on california gun laws.
he has not logged into his internet account since November 22. anyone who
has mailed him at his internet address should still be waiting in his mail 
spool. once the book is out the door, Pete will get to your mail. in the 
meantime, your patience is appreciated!

As an aside, there is some interesting material in the Wound Ballistics
conference on the TMI BBS concerning Evan Marshall's refusal to back up his 
Handgun Stopping Power "data". There is also quite a bit of info from Marty 
Fackler, which  should do nothing if not stir the debates...  %^)

-- 
paul theodoropoulos     damiel@netcom.com     (hooools@well.sf.ca.us)
       Cosysop - Threat Management Institute BBS 707 935 1713
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 9mm shootings (2)
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:19:28 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <RTARAZ.92Dec13150627@realsoon.WPI.EDU> rtaraz@realsoon.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
}
}ok, let me take another shot at this. Just to see how many YOU ARE WRONG
}replys I will get!
}
}But due to the small mass, the object comming out of the barrel will
}slow down pretty fast.  And that is what I was trying to say, from a
}few feet away, that little piece (wax or what ever it is) will slow
}down and wont hurt you as much.

Last time I shot skeet I could clearly see the plastic wads flying a good
30+ yards before beginning to arc downwards.  That was after pushing a
load of shot through the barrel.  Without the shot to slow it down, I'd
bet it would at least hurt at 50 yards (no accuracy, of course).

I don't know what the danger range of a handgun blank wad is and I'm not
about to stand in front of one to find out.  Anyone care to experiment (on
something inanimate, of course) and report?

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                Do not meddle in the affairs of
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483  dragons, for you are crunchy
Santa Monica, CA  90405                        and go well with ketchup.
From: bbx!bbxrbk!russ@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Russ Kepler)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: A gun in the home....
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:23:57 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <199212102240.AA19977@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> rob@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rob Cuthbertson) writes:
#Since this post came in the thread of "how to safely keep my guns from the 
#hands of my children," I really had to speak out on this one.  1/2 hour to
#break into daddy's "safe box" is NOT a lot of time to a child.

There's a lot of distance between a "safe" and a "place to keep a gun
close but not available to a stranger".  I've got both, and the way
that I keep the kids out of the simplex protected box is to remove the
mystery from the handgun therein.  If the kids want to go shooting,
they can go shooting with me no questions asked.  They can shoot
anything that they want to - from a .22 Bolt action to a .44 Mag 629 -
but to date have always opted for the .22 (but prefer auto-loaders to
bolt action).

So - the "safe" is a big metal box with lots of toys, and the Simplex
protected box is simply there to make something available to me
quickly, but to slow the curious.  I don't expect the Simplex box,
with it's 18 ga steel and 5 button lock to do more than slow the thief
or the curious.

-- 
Russ Kepler, posting from home   bbxrbk!russ@bbx.basis.com
Will hack unix for food
From: cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: A gun in the home....
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:41:38 GMT

In article <iiDcVB6w164w@upchrch.UUCP>, you write:

#       [MODERATOR: Please pardon this time-out for a safety check ... you
#        should definitely consult the instructions which come with your lock
#        before attempting to attach it to a loaded firearm.  I know of no
#        trigger lock product which says anything other than "use on unloaded
#        firearm."  Maybe they're out there, but in the mean time, let me add
#        my own personal caution that you (the reader) think twice before
#        attaching any mechanical device to the trigger of a loaded firearm.]

Or, more importantly, DETACHING one, especially half asleep in the dark!
--

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OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...
From: pnr0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL N. RITTER)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: dealing with a police officer
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:26:52 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <km-rfc_@dixie.com>, jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
#IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Nicholas C. Hester) writes:
#
##At night it might also be a good idea to turn the dome light on to
##illuminate the interior of the vehicle.  This would allow the officer
##to see everything you are doing.  I've never done this in practice,
##what does everyone else think?
#
#No, I would not.  The cop is the agressor.  Become non-threatening but
#don't make his job of stealing money from you any easier.
#
#RE: CCW.  I would not advise telling the cop about a CCW/Gun unless
#the gun is in view and/or the cop is going to search you.  There are
#plenty of cops out there who will harrass you and even take your gun,
#CCW or not.  For example, here in Cobb County, GA, it is the official
#policy of the Cobb county pigs, er, cops, to take all concealed firearms,
#regardless of a CCW.  Illegal?  Sure but some citizen is going to have
#to file suit to stop it.  Cops don't have to obey the law unless
#forced.  If your gun is an especially nice one, it might just disappear
#off into the void.
#
#During my only stop since getting a CCW, before I came to a halt,
#I simply put my pistol in a secret compartment behind the seat.
#Assuming you're not stupid enough to allow a cop to search your car
#without a warrant, the cop would have no legal way of finding the gun.

      YOU'RE WRONG!!!!
What you forgot to mention is that you have the right to deny a search of your
vehicle, but the police have the right to impound your vehicle until they can
get the warrant (provided that they have sufficient probable cause) and then
tear it apart. Your "hidden compartment" would be found. They can take as much
time searching you vehicle as they need/want.
               Trust me on this.....
               --Paul

#
#If you ever have a gun taken as part of a traffic stop, I suggest
#writing at least the model and brand on the traffic ticket while you're
#signing it.  Serial number too, if you know it.  this is in addition to any
#property receipt you might get.
#
#John
#--
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From: vapspgd@prism.gatech.edu (Edward Hefter)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Point Blank Firing (was: Re: Gun blast noise in a car?)
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:21:05 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


#	[MODERATOR:  Oops, have care about doing this with some
#	 semiautos, like the good old 1911A1 ... you don't need
#	 much pressure on front of the slide to actuate a disconnector
#	 and prohibit you from firing....]

   With the exception of my S&W 422 and a Mark II (both .22, of course), what
autos *WILL* fire with the slide slightly pushed back?  Not even the 422 or
Mark II will fire with the slide back, but the slide is not at the front of
the gun for them.

   My dad told me, "An old Green Beret friend showed me this...", then he
took his (unloaded, double checked) Browning HP, pulled back the hammer,
and just barely touched the front, pushing it back ever so slightly, and
sure enough, the hammer wouldn't drop.  I tried this with a Taurus, Glock,
and some other auto I've forgotten, and it always seems to work.  Maybe we
need to go to revolvers for barrel to guts firing?
	[MODERATOR: Or ... err ... not letting the target get that
	 close in the first place...?]


-- 
                              Edward Hefter
                  Finally survived the Ga Tech Experience
                         vapspgd@prism.gatech.edu