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From: Kenneth_Ferguson@rand.org (Ken Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Dirty Dozen VS. Seagal To Marty
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:17:59 GMT
Organization: RAND
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1a2



       Marty;  Please  excuse my late response, but I have'nt been
getting my
E mail lately. Well first off, the cost of training at the JET CENTER is
100.00 a month or $300.00 for three months. Some people tell me that this
is very expensive but not when you consider what you get.

       The price includes unlimited training time with Benny, Blinky,
SuperFoot
Bill Wallace and Pete (Sugar Foot) Cunningham. You also get unlimited use
of the weight room, the saunas and full on ring sparring with the Champs,
no holds barred.
From: hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Abominable Abdominals
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:51:43 GMT
Organization: Network Systems Corporation

In article <TXS-gc-@engin.umich.edu> ftit@engin.umich.edu (Sergej Roytman) writes:
>Several months ago there was a thread on this newsgroup concerning a
>book about situps, leglifts, and other means to strong stomach muscles.
>The book was called something like _Abominable Abdominals_ and was
>highly recommended.  If anyone knows what I'm talking about and has a
>copy handy, could you please give me some information -- ISBN, title --
>stuff like that?

I'm sure you mean _Legendary Abs_.  It's put out by an outfit called
Health for Life, which does some other similar things as well.
I don't have ISBN, but it probably wouldn't do you any good anyway.  I
believe you have to order it directly from the company.

If you can't find the company, you can find ads for them, and for this
program, in _Black Belt_, _Muscle and Fitness_, etc.

If you can't find a copy of _Black Belt_, or _Muscle and Fitness_, you
can borrow one from Marty.

-- 
Peter Hahn           |hahn@network.com|"...In Peking, he told me, there lived a
7600 Boone Ave. N    |+1 612 424-4888 |famous boxer who dropped down from three
Brooklyn Park, MN USA|                |stories onto an interior courtyard
55428                |                |without making a sound when he landed."
From: warlock@pro-haven.cts.com (Tye Botting, SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Diff. betweeREAD/NEWn Eastern and Western thought
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:51:33 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300

In <1992Jul30.015401.6519@walter.cray.com>
radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner) writes:

% >The next thing you hear is the sound of 
% >five feet running out the door.
% 
% ..... so did only two and a half of them run away (I guess the old man
% must have put down his chopsticks for those swords for at least a *couple*
% seconds...), did they all hop on one leg when they left, or did just one of 
% them of average height high-tail it out of there ?

        BWAHAHAHAHAHA!  ;-)))

        Thanks, Lauren!  That made my day - having a great laugh in the
        morning is a great way to start the day!
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From: engp2024@nusunix2.nus.sg (ALI NAJAFI)
Subject: Re: Re: years for black belt
Reply-To: nuscc.nus.sg
Organization: Dept. EE, National Univ. of Singapore
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:43:59 GMT

In fact there ARE standards. But the things that make the required time
to be different from place to place are the instructor, the number of
sessions per week and their duration, and also the trainee himself. 

One instructor may like to take grading every three months, another may 
like to do it every four months. Previously, I was attending a karate
class in which grading was held every three months. But now, I have
changed to a one in which we have grading every four months. What the
instructor expects their student is also important. The same concept is
true for universities as well: for instance you can compare U. of
California at Berkeley with some low rank university. Such a difference
also exists between instructors and organizations.

The next important factor is the number of sessions: some hold classes
two times a week, others hold it three times. The duration 
may also be different: 1.5, 2 hours per session (or even more).

Finally the most important factor is the trainee himself. He should be
able to get the teqniques, he should practice them and he should attend
the classes regularly. Just like a good student in school or university.

What is required to get a black belt is to have enough experience and
practice in kihon ( basic teqniques ) and kata ( a predetermined
sequence of teqniques ). In some styles ( shitoryu I know ) it is also
required to perform kumite ( fight ), in others it is only required to 
perform kihon-kumite ( a kind of kumite in which both of the opponents 
use certain teqniques "those told by their instructor" to attack and 
block. It is not required to break bricks at all or ... !!

In general, for a moderate person in a moderate evironment ( 4 to 6
hours per week ) it takes some 3.5 to 5 years to get his 1'st dan. But if
the trainee does not attend the classes or does not practice regularly,
it may take him much longer. In contrast, if he spends a more time on 
training he will be able to receive it much earlier. If he performes well 
enough, he may pass two or even three grades in each grading.

Finally, the best way that you can find the answer
of your question is to attend a class for some kind of martial art ( if
you hadn't before ), practice regularly and get the black belt. So, I 
hope you will enjoy it. 


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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Aikido and Randori
Summary: Words on dance and martial craft
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 22 JUL 92 11:06:38    


Some very interesting thoughts from Steve Gombosi and James R. Quaranta Jr.) 
on dance and martial arts.  

There is very distinctly in my mind an element of martial craft that is
indistinguishable from dance.  And an element that makes it completely
different from *most* forms of dance  --  the temporary complete disregard 
for the safety of the partner and appearance of the movements, in order
to survive the fight.

Traditional Capoeira, in my mind, can legitimately claim to be both
a dance form and a martial craft form, since its original intent is
deadly serious with real personal survival and freedom at stake.

You could compare this psychological intensity *somewhat* to moments of pure 
intense involvement in general in many non-fighting activities, but there is 
an important difference in martial craft.  The fighter faces a very real
knockout or injury, and it colors his/her entire craft, not just the
moments of intense flow.  The dancer's craft is more colored by the
needs for self-expression and appearance overall than the need to survive.
If you take away that difference in remembering what you came to train for, 
then you might as well just call your martial craft a pure dance form.


>>SIgh.. IS this just totaly weird? and Im comming from outerspace?
>>Or do some other people share some of this same viewpot/perspective on it??
> 
>Nope. I don't think it's weird at all. I think one of the primary
>reasons for the emphasis on Zen in Japanese martial arts is to help
>attain precisely the state you have described - where your actions
>flow naturally from the circumstances, regardless of the danger of
>the situation. I *think* what others were objecting to was the lack of
>"intention" (for want of a better word) on the part of the participants.
>Training ought to feel a little dangerous...if it doesn't, you're likely
>to go to pieces when the real thing happens. If that "edge" is there in
>your regular practice, then you *can* learn to disregard the danger.
>The whole point, I suppose, is to learn to dance when your opponent isn't
>planning on dancing ;-) (I prefer the Tomari two-step combined with
>the Shuri shuffle, myself ;-) ).

Yes.  Well stated, Steve.  

>Steve

						kind regards,

						todd
From: audit036@spacm1.spac.spc.com (David.L.)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Gatorade vs. Water vs. Anything Else
Date: 29 Jul 92 09:31:15 PDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Security Pacific Automation Co., LA, CA

In article <ACEVEDO.92Jul29100717@hippocrene.mit.edu>, acevedo@mit.edu (Raul Acevedo) writes:
>
>   I've heard some people say that regardless of what Gatorade makes you
> think, water is all you really need after a hard workout.  Anyone know
> if Gatorade is really that good, and why?
>
  My understanding is that it has balanced electrolites as well as sugar. The
need for salts for proper function has been recognized for a while now. It's
similar in concept to the salt pills that where issued in the military.
--
---->	audit036@spacm1.spac.spc.com
David L.
From: hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Diff. betweeREAD/NEWn Eastern and Western thought
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:39:31 GMT
Organization: Network Systems Corporation

In article <1992Jul29.205628.292@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_hilbornrs@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>What's the difference between Western and Eastern thought?
>
>This is an example of Eastern thought:
>Once upon a time in Japan an old man walked into a restaurant with two
>beautiful swords at his side.  Five ronin sitting at the bar decided that

	[decide, eventually, that they needn't bother the old man]

>
>This is an example of Western thought:
>Lets take the same situation, but in the old west.  This old man walks into
>a bar with two beautiful colt 45's at his hip with pearl enlaid handles.
>Five outlaws see this and procede to harass the old man as above.  Again the 

	[and, eventually, the five outlaws get ventilated]

>The difference between Western and Occidental thought is that Occidentals 
>recognize mastery and Westerners have to have everything proven.

You meant to say Oriental, rather than Occidental, I'm sure.

Indeed.  Perhaps in recogition of this quality of Western thought, the
city fathers of some town in the Wild West provided, for a new resident of
that town's Boot Hill, the following epitaph:

	He asked to be showed.
	So we showed him.

-- 
Peter Hahn           |hahn@network.com|"...In Peking, he told me, there lived a
7600 Boone Ave. N    |+1 612 424-4888 |famous boxer who dropped down from three
Brooklyn Park, MN USA|                |stories onto an interior courtyard
55428                |                |without making a sound when he landed."
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From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Hakkoryu jujutsu
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:34:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.234409.7406@cs.rose-hulman.edu> acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>In article <MARY.92Jul27143133@martinique.Cayman.COM>, mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>>
>>   >has anyone heard of Dennis G. Palumbo? he has written a couple of

[my comment about two Dennis Palumbos]

>>For heaven's sake...there are probably seventeen just in my hometown.

Okay, two published writers named Dennis Palumbo.  Better?

>	aha mary, are any of these 17 hakkoryu jujustu folk? if they all are
>	we may be onto something...a secret cult of dennis g. palumbo's who
>	train in hakkoryu...
>	(the one in charge is the guy who wrote both the books)...

Well, my Dennis Palumbo turned out to be Dennis J. Palumbo, and he's
not into ju-jitsu, and he didn't write the books.  Sorry.  He did say
that he knows of at least one other Dennis J. Palumbo, though.  Maybe
there are two different cults?  ("You are a "J"!  You are not of the
True Body!!")

=====================================================================
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{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: Re: Hakkoryu jujutsu
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:44:09 GMT

In article <MARY.92Jul27143133@martinique.Cayman.COM>, mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>
>   In article <1992Jul22.143318.6735@cs.rose-hulman.edu> acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>   >
>   >has anyone heard of Dennis G. Palumbo? he has written a couple of
>   >books on hakkoryu jujutsu. is he well known in jujustu/AJJ cirlcles?
>   >i have never heard of him.
>   >
>   >-mukund
>
>For heaven's sake...there are probably seventeen just in my hometown.

	aha mary, are any of these 17 hakkoryu jujustu folk? if they all are
	we may be onto something...a secret cult of dennis g. palumbo's who
	train in hakkoryu...
	(the one in charge is the guy who wrote both the books)...

	-mukund
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Shaolin Monks Tour:  Postscript?
Date: 23 Jul 1992 21:32:23 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <24798@dog.ee.lbl.gov> TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
|>I have just seen a Chinese language newspaper which had a message
|>from Master Chan Pui.  Apparently, two of the monks from the Shaolin
|>Temple group that toured the U.S. have vanished/defected/left without
|>a trace.
|>
|>The message goes on to ask their return to the temple with no 
|>retribution and exhorts all U.S. and Canadian martial artists to
|>assist in finding them.
|>
|>Does anyone know anymore about this?

I have it on good authority that the monks are in excellent hands, and
that their disappearance was no accident.

However, no one involved is in any hurry for them to be found.


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From: jonathan@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Jonathan Dwyer)
Subject: Aikido Saintliness       (was: Re: Aikido and the jab...)
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Organization: Psychology Department, University of Queensland
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:15:21 GMT

Todd I. Stark ((stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com)) writes:
|> >> Hee hee.  I love it.  Real people and real life getting in real tussles.  
|> >> So much for Aiki non-violence sainthood for the Deshi.  :-) 

Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> >	I wonder if this Aiki-Sainthood thing is characteristic of
|> >American Aikido, or if the folks in Japan are as starry eyed?


No idea, but Australian Aikido people have that holier-than-thou attitude
as well, it seems to come from the English-language Aikido publications
originating in Japan.  In fact, I certainly held that attitude while I studied
Aikido....  and our sensei encouraged an almost religous attitude toward
the art, which, at the time, I thought was great!

Then one day I woke up and smelt the coffee:  I am a westerner,  I live in
a western society, with my attitudes shaped by a western life and culture.  Until I
travelled to, and lived in, Japan, I did not realise that the peacefulness felt by
Japanese Aikido practitioners is based very strongly on their acculturation
and their perceived place in a very homogenised society - Japan.

Their beautiful serenity and confident peace seems to translate into the
more individualised western culture only as a self-aggrandising belief that
"I know something you don't know - *smirk*", which I feel is unfortunate,
having experienced and truly wondered at the _Genuine_Article_(tm)......

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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: mallon@hsi.com (Dan Mallon-Kraft)
Subject: Re: Some general questions...
Keywords: judo, akido, shotokan
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:28:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.185700.27627@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> guest@jaws1.austin.ibm.com () writes:
<I have some general questions about the nature of certian martial arts, and an
<having a difficult time finding credible information.  
<
<I am trying to determine what type of martial art to begin to study.  I have
<had an interest in this field for quite some time now, and am finally in
<a position
<to begin study.  I have been looking at judo and shotokan, and have a
<few questions
<regarding the two.  

I can answer the Judo questions, but am in no way qualified to answer the
Shotokan questions  :-)

<	1) judo is a taxing sport demanding strength, ability, and stamina. But is it
<           (as it is taught in the usa) a viable martial art usable for
<self-defense
<            in the street?

Judo is definitely viable for use as a self-defense method.  The majority of
schools out there don't focus on the self-defense aspects, but they certainly
exist.  In general, you can turn what looks like a harmless throw in the dojo
into a very deadly throw in a physical assault.  Keep in mind that the 
average person doesn't know how to take a fall, and even if they did, they
would be falling on pavement which is not quite as soft as the mat or tatami.
You also have joint manipulation and chokes to use in those situations.

<	2) akido is also very athletic, but again, how useful could it be in 
<           a street situation? 

What I've seen of Aikido is very impressive, but according to the other
Aikido practitioners on the net, it does take quite some time to become
proficient.  By no means am I saying that means you should stay away from
Aikido.  I feel that any activity that allows you to move with someone and
learn how both bodies function is beneficial to your wellness in a self-
defense situation.

<	3) are striking techniques taught in either judo or akido?

There is some striking in Judo, but even my school doesn't really teach it.
The strikes I have seen/practiced are very simple.  

<	4) does the practice of shotokan tend to injure joints? Is that why 
<           practitioners of such hard styles seem to retire in their 30's and
<           early fourties?
<
<thank you for any help you can give me!!!  

Sure!  Holler with any other questions.

Dan
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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Dance and martial arts (was Aikido and Randori)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 22 JUL 92 15:17:32    


Aki Fleshler writes...

>		So medicine too is a dance of life at the edge of death.
>		In many martial traditions, it is normal/required to 
>		learn both. 
> 
>		Let's put it another way: at the highest level of a martial
>		(or medical !) encounter, you should be *free* to choose
>		life or death at any given moment. I think this requires
>		the freedom of dance. The comment about dance's "needs for 
>		self-expression and appearance overall" and its unconcern
>		with mortal danger is very Eurocentric and High Art-centric: 
>		it doesn't reflect the aesthetics of much tribal and ritual 
>		dance from around the globe. Check out the Native American
>		Sun Dance. 

Very well, you can certainly use the term _dance_ that broadly if you include
enough different cultures.  I suppose you could include Thugees, 
prizefighters, and Roman gladiators as ritual dancers if you took the argument 
far enough.   

That's a long way from what I thought was the original comparison of modern 
jazz dance, tap, ballet, and such with modern martial arts, however.

Sorry for my US-centricism, it's the only life I know.  :-)

								todd
Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:08:19 -0400 
From: Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Diff. betweeREAD/NEWn Eastern and Western thought

Excerpts from netnews.rec.martial-arts: 29-Jul-92 Diff. betweeREAD/NEWn
Easte.. z_hilbornrs@ccsvax.sfasu (1886)

> The difference between Western and Occidental thought is that Occidentals 
> recognize mastery and Westerners have to have everything proven.


	Don't mistake Japanese culture as representative of ALL Eastern cultures.

	Stephen
From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: Aikido and the sword
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:56:23 GMT


the latest issue of _aikido today_ has several articles on aikido and
its relationship to the sword. only recently we had a long discussion
on this topic. do the folk at arete press read this news group or is
this one of those cosmic occurences my parents warned me about?

-mukund
From: doug@UC780.UMD.EDU (Deac Moo of the UGC)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: C'hi Kung Training
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:38:27 GMT
Reply-To: doug@UC780.UMD.EDU
Organization: The University of Maryland, University College

In article <21764@sybase.sybase.com>, thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow) writes:
>
>I happened to have caught the last 15 minutes of a PRC propaganda movie
>on how some elite army types are training in hard chi kung..  complete
>with the required demos of people getting concrete slabs busted on
>top of their heads, poking holes in bricks and getting run over by trucks.
>
>The paranoid conspiritorial side of me (  :-)  )  wonders if the PRC
>govt would want to limit who gets such powers (i.e. the military),
>just like some gun-prohibitionists here want to steer us towards
>a police state  :-)

Do you think they'll include chi kung testing in the next olympics along with
the current steroids testing? :-) There's something sad and spooky about a 13
year old girl being able to outdive 18-24 year old women.

>-thorick "don't trust anyone in the seat of power" chow   :-)

10-4 to that.

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From: dbgbes@edp.arco.com (Bruce Shellenbaum)
Subject: Re: Mail Order Knives
Organization: ARCO - Aept
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:05:07 GMT

In article <13733@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, bae@Auspex.COM (Brian Ehrmantraut) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul24.174628.3206@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, dougw@astro.as.arizona.edu (Doug Williams) writes:
|> > 
|> > 	Does anyone out there in netland know of any reputable mail order
|> > companies that market knives/daggers.  I have heard about Spyderco (sp?)
|> > blades, and would like to know where to purchse them and what people think of
|> > them.
|> 
|> 	I've had good luck with The Cutlery Shoppe (800-231-1272).
|> 
|> -- 
|> 		Brian A. Ehrmantraut
|> 

          I'll second that, I've had zero trouble with the Cutlery Shoppe
and I've ordered several times, normally my order is on my doorstep the next
afternoon.


Bruce Shellenbaum
dbgbes@edp.arco.com