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From: gaubfb@sun330 (Brian Bishop)
Subject: K2000 v2.0 Upgrade
Organization: Fannie Mae
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:47:05 GMT

   Hmmm. My local dealer tells me that the sampling upgrade for the K2000 will
be available next week, but that OS 2.0 will NOT be available separately. He 
doesn't know why (he thinks it it might come later on). I've seen several 
indications (from Kurzweil) that 2.0 will be available separately. Anybody
know what the deal is? Anybody have the word on how much 2.0 will be? (I've
got a EPS 16+, so I probably won't get the sampling hardware, at least until
I've decided to sell it :-)


--

    Brian Bishop ... gaubfb@fnma.com <=- (work) OR (play) -=> brian@grebyn.com

"Check beneath your fingernails, and in between your toes /
  Right between your earlobes, darling, that's where culture grows." - T. Dolby
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell)
X-Sender:  (Unverified)
Subject: Re: WaveStation opinions wanted...
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:05:10 +0000

>The main
>weakness, I think, are the drum sounds (I have an EX).  Why they're not
>bad, there aren't many, and some of them aren't particularly useful.

Hmm, I have no problem with the drum samples, and have always been able to
get roughly what I'm after using them. I don't know of other machines
(other than dedicated drum boxes) which are more versatile.

>To
>get some variety, I've resorted to changing effects and pitch bending the
>drums.

But of course; the WS is heavily dependent on its effects processors in
general. The other common trick with drums on any digital synth is to shift
sound portions up and use the aliasing noise to alter the tone; I do this a
lot in wave sequences.

>Does anyone know how the drum card
>from Korg fares?

I have it. I don't recall it carrying much more than what's in the EX.

I don't think I'd recommend the WS as an only synth for complex
applications because of the lack of voice prioritisation. This is a
recurring frustration for me. Well, maybe an only synth in pairs then.

                      Nick Rothwell  |  "Say, how many contemporary dancers
   CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |     are there in this bar?"
        cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk  |  "Dunno; count the Dr. Martens
        cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk  |     and divide by two..."

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: velhart@epas.utoronto.ca (Nicholas Velharticky)
Subject: Any success with sync tracks using dbx?
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:48:00 GMT
Followup-To: velhart@epas.utoronto.ca


I own a Yamaha MT100 II 4-track, Cakewalk Pro 4.0, and a Roland U-20,
and I want to squeeze another track out of my 4-track so that I can do
stereo synth plus three tracks of vocals without ping-ponging.

Question:  Would a Midiman sync box work?  I would rather not defeat
the dbx, since the S/N compromise would not be worth it, but I've
heard that some people have had success with sync tracks recorded with
noise reduction.  Any hints?  (e.g., dropout rate, levels for sync
track -- hot or normal, better syncing with MIDI timecode or SMPTE, etc.)

Thanks in advance.

Nick Velharticky
velhart@epas.utoronto.ca
From: awkerr@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Alan Kerr)
Subject: Re: Winter NAMM 1983
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 22:49:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.144420.3277@cs.tcd.ie> scollins@cs.tcd.ie (Steven Collins) writes:
>In article <9301251825.aa10817@gate.demon.co.uk> cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:
>>>> Alesis showed off their new Synthesizer and Mixer unit.
>>>> The synthesizer has 64 note polyphony, an industry first.
>>
>>Actually, I believe, an industry second. (TG100 is there already.)
>>
>
>Could still be an industry 1st 64 note polyphonic.  The Yammy TG module
>is 2 32 note polys not a full 64 note.  Sort of like the supposedly 32
>note polyphonic SY77, which is in fact 2 16 note polys.

Don't know which module you *think* you're talking about (the TG500
maybe?) ...but I own a TG100 and it is 28 note polyphonic.  The TG100
is yamaha's new General MIDI box.

-- 
Alan W. Kerr                               awkerr@aoc.nrao.edu
National Radio Astronomy Observatory       awkerr@nrao.bitnet
Socorro, NM, USA                           uunet!nrao.edu!awkerr
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: peterc@dub-tse.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Peter Cassidy)
Subject: Re: help ID this synth chip.....
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:09:47 GMT

In article <114220005@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller) writes:
|> In rec.music.makers.synth, rmartin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Martin) writes:
|> 
|> > 
|> > I have a 16 pin IC chip a friend gave to me years ago (and I mean years
|> >  
|> > what I assume to be a serial number SN94281N.
|> > It also has the number 8001 on it, and it also has Malaysia writen on it.
|> >  
|> > thats it.  Go to it, you analog gurus.......
|> > thanks in advance
|> Sounds like a TI part. Reaching into my junk box, the first 16 pin part I
|> pulled out is an SN74LS368N with a lot number of 8109 (I bet its year/mo) 
|> and "Malasia", as well as the little TI logo.
|> 
|> An SN74<x>281N is a dual 4-bit accumulator, a 24-pin digital part.
|> 
|> I have no good idea what the 94 series was, but if that part was made in 1980,
|> I'd bet money it doesn't do anything worth breadboarding into a useful 
|> circuit. It's probably some obscure long-dead logic family that never quite
|> got popular. 


It IS a Texas Inst part, but, if I recall 94 is not the save as the 74 series TTL gates, it's a specialised series. The 'N' part of it means DIL plastic
pack.

-- 
Peter Cassidy - Motorola B.V Ireland - peterc@comm.mot.com - C10404@email

The opinions expressed above are mine, and not necessarily those of Motorola.
From: arr1@quads.uchicago.edu (Tyger Tyger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Help me go into debt! Major synth rec.'s needed!!!
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:51:24 GMT
Reply-To: arr1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


Hi everyone!

I have been following the discussions on this group for a few months now, and
 now I need some good advice from those of you who certainly know more about
buying synths than I do.

Here is what I am looking for:

ONE unit which has all of the following features:

-- Loads of great sounds (preferably built in, or at least available for CHEAP)
-- A SEQUENCER with a lot of memory, and at least 8 tracks, and which has nice
rhythm sounds on  board. This sequencer needs to be able to play 8 different
sound patches at once, so that I can program 8 tracks of a song for either
live shows, or for saving space on my 4-track. I would prefer that the synth
allow me to put effects on at least 4 of these tracks individually (echo on
trk1, reverb on trk4, etc....) I do not have a great computer to hook this
machine up to, so I would prefer to get something with a very complete and
usable sequencer on board (something with easy editing, but still professional
sounding), and the sequencer should be easy to use with programming rhythm
tracks.
-- A disk drive, to save patches as well as songs for easy access (I have been re-inventing the wheel by using a Tascam 424 to collect tracks to layer,
and losing a great deal of sound quality in the process, especially when I
get more than 8 or 10 tracks on a song).

Please don't flame me for my lack of high-tech synth knowledge. My band has
been working on writing songs from a musical and not a technical p.o.v. until
 now. So what I really need is a professional sounding synth, and not a 
start-up machine that
will outmode itself when I learn to use it. I need this major synth for both
multi-track gigging and demo recording.

I really haven't tried too many synths out, and so my 1st-hand knowledge
of specific instruments is fairly limited. I'd really appreciate your help
with this. I also trust you all more than I do the music store salesman
who just wants a nice, big commission.

I'd also like to buy this machine in the next few weeks or so, so help now if
you can!

Andrew Ross
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: jondr@sco.COM (Karen Silkwood's car)
Subject: Re: Info on EMU Procussion
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:55:15 GMT


scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:
>sonic quality (this is especially noticable with cymbols).  There
>are approximately 300 raw samples that are used to create about 550
>factory percussion sounds and 512 user-programmed percussion sounds.

of course, only 128 of those user-programmed sounds are available at any one
time.  and you can only have 8 custom sounds per midi channel, so if you
wanted to use 16 user-created sounds, you need to devote two midi channels.
not a problem for me, but it's worth mentioning.

>Programming is rather straightforward.

although it involves a lot of squinting and messing about with one parameter
select button and a data knob.  i need a computer-based editor, now!

>To my surprise, I find that I customize my drum sounds a lot more than
>I originally thought I would.  Someone into techno or house music
>would have a field day with the Procussion.

actually, i am a techno/house musician and i find it a useful adjunct but
not sufficient in its own right.  the handclaps suck.  most of the snares
are useless for techno, as are the kicks.  we use the "rap kick" (clone of
the 808 kick) an awful lot, though, and it's nice to be able to adjust the
decay on it to insanely long times without eating up valuable sampler
voices.  i'm not wild about the congas or timbales, either.

on the plus side, all the cymbals are marvelous - hi hats are varied and
good, crash and rides are equally good.  we use lots of mallet roll style
sounds and lots of those special effect "swishy" sounds.

i also think it could use more outputs, but that's not critical since i
don't even have enough slots on my board for the ones it *does* have, at the
moment...

some of the velocity-switched sounds are incredibly good, too.  there's one
snare stack (that i can't remember the name of unfortunately) which is
brilliant - if you play it from a drum pad with suitable expression, it
sounds phenomenally realistic.

i thought it would be the answer to all my percussion needs, but it's turned
out to be "really quite useful" rather than "fan-fucking-tastic."  i can't
throw out my sampler's percussion disks yet.

-- 
Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ)                 uunet!sco!jondr   jondr@sco.com
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From: bryanc@stargate.jpl.nasa.gov (Bryan S. Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Sound Tools, and the IIci
Followup-To: rec.music.makers.synth
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:51:17 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratories
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.79.108.186



  I'll be in the market for a Mac soon, and I've been eyeing the IIci
(considering the recent drop in prices...  Wow, an affordable Mac, never
thought I'd live to see the day! :).  I'd like to buy a Mac that I can
eventually add Sound Tools, or Pro-Tools to.

  Anyway, I was wondering if anyone out there is using a IIci with
DigiDesign's Sound Tools, or Pro-Tools.  What's the speed like?  Should I
hold out and buy
a Quadra 700?  Are the sound editing/recording functions available with
Sound Tools machine dependant, or do the add-in boards do all the work?

Thanks for any responses...

Bryan C.
<bryanc@stargate.jpl.nasa.gov>
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: whubis@teal.csn.org (Walter A. Hubis)
Subject: Info on EMU Procussion
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:29:42 GMT


I've been considering adding an EMU Procussion Module
to my rig, and I'm looking for the experiences of owners
of this unit. Foremost is quality and range of samples,
editing features, and audio quality.

Thanks!


Walt
From: trog@midiline.la.ca.us (Ralph Stempel)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: The Newest Emu synth... McAnalog!!!???!!!
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 22:50:08 PST
Organization: MIDILine BBS - Altadena, CA - (818) 797-3285

cubase@cs.tut.fi (Pekka Martikainen) writes:

> In article <1jocvrINNncm@hp4at.eunet.co.at> wang@eunet.co.at (Wang) writes:
> 
> > For example the VCOs of a JP-8 have never the same beating in a patch 
> 
> In fact, JP-8 has DCOs, not VCOs. That's why it sounds more stable.
> 
> > Michael Zacherl, Management Data Wang Ltd., Vienna |
> 
> Pekka Martikainen


   Jupiter-8's have VCO's.

-----
trog@midiline.la.ca.us (Ralph Stempel) 
MIDILine BBS (midiline.la.ca.us) - Altadena CA - (818)797-3285
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: beltran@ns.network.com (Tony R. Beltran)
Subject: Re: Defending the Slugs (long)
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 14:15:08 GMT

In article <C1HAv1.LD8@unix.amherst.edu> ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (LAiRD j. NeLSoN) writes:
>I might point out, having started this beasty of a thread, that what I was
>objecting to primarily are keyboards that play themselves.
>
>[stuff deleted]
>Well, I thought I'd start by clearing this up, and now I've dug myself into
>a deeper hole.  Hope this is of use to *somebody* and the thread in general.
>
>LAiRD
>
I don't think there is any problem here.  I often voice similar sentiments
about "pop" music and tend to "dig myself into a hole" simply because
for many people, this is the only music they know.  With the easy
availability of top 40 radio, it takes effort to find alternatives.
For many people, music is simply noise in the background.  For us, it
is closer to something of a passion.  We have our own biases.  If I
say that (among other types of music), acoustic New Age such as that
turned out by Windham Hill in the late 1970's is something I like,
I am immediately open to criticism from those who feel that this
style is not worth media it is delivered on.  The trick is to be
able to state your truth without slighting anybody's pet musical
style.  This is not saying you specifically, but me too.  If you
find a way to accomplish this, please let me know - it will save
me a lot of grief too.

Tony
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell)
X-Sender:  (Unverified)
Subject: Re: Laws, Ethics and Continua (Re: Sampling)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:25:13 +0000

>I don't let anything come between me and my music? If that makes me an
>asshole then good.

No, you were an asshole because you just used a pile of expletives rather
than try to argue your case (or even deciding not to). I have no problem
with you deciding to break the (established) law in order to follow your
musical directions. It's illegal, others won't like it, but that's your
business. Best of luck.

>P.P.S. Next time you QUOTE ME ask permision first.
>"FUCK THE LAW, make MUSIC!" (c) 1993 Rave Crusader...

No, that's not copyright. It's a trademark... :-)

                     Nick Rothwell  |  "I was 'on the floor' while they
  CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |   were being shot and I vividly
       cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk  |   remember Joan Collins' legs."
       cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk  |      -- J. B., scriptwriter, Space:1999
From: pehe@electrum.kth.se (Peder Hedlund)
Subject: Re: Wavestation PCM Cards
Organization: Divided Misprinted Dwarf-Nebulas Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:52:24 GMT

In article <C1AG5M.7IA@korgrd.com> dan@korgrd.com (Dan Phillips) writes:

>   I think that the internal piano is better than that of the card, but if you
>   have the original, unexpanded keyboard, you might take a listen.

  Pardon me for maybe misinterpreting you, but are you saying the piano sound
in the WS EX is  better than the one on the PCM card ? To me the WS EX piano
sound is rather horrible so how  does that make the piano on the card sound ?
(Not that I bought my WS for the piano,but still.)

 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
  Peder Hedlund                  | 
  pehe@electrum.kth.se           | "It's a dirty job but someone's
  Royal Institute of Technology  |  got to do it "
  Stockholm                      |-- Faith No More, 'We Care a Lot' --
  Sweden                         |
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth,comp.music
From: peterc@comm.mot.com (Peter Cassidy)
Subject: Kawai K1 HELLLLP!
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:05:19 GMT

Hi,
     I just managed to get an old Kawai K1 yesterday. Does anyone know of a
patch librarian / editor for the PC / SBPRO which can handle this ???

-- 
Peter Cassidy - Motorola B.V Ireland - peterc@comm.mot.com - C10404@email

The opinions expressed above are mine, and not necessarily those of Motorola.
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From: pehe@electrum.kth.se (Peder Hedlund)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Korg vs. Yamaha flamefest (Re: Need synth recommendations)
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:04:20 GMT
Organization: Divided Misprinted Dwarf-Nebulas Inc.

In article <1993Jan20.124450.24005@cs.tcd.ie> phammond@cs.tcd.ie (Paul
Hammond) writes:


> Well I'd rather make music that a reasonable amount of people could
like > rather than some real weird arty far-out stuff that only myself
would think > is good.

>   Paul

    Isn't that a form of prostitution ? To make music you dislike for
    the sake
of other people ? When yhou make music it should be because you like
it
 yourself. If then other people like it as well then great, but that
 shouldn't
be the purpouse.
From: cubase@cs.tut.fi (Pekka Martikainen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: The Newest Emu synth... McAnalog!!!???!!!
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:35:41
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kaarne.cs.tut.fi
In-reply-to: wang@eunet.co.at's message of 22 Jan 1993 09:58:35 +0100

In article <1jocvrINNncm@hp4at.eunet.co.at> wang@eunet.co.at (Wang) writes:

> For example the VCOs of a JP-8 have never the same beating in a patch 

In fact, JP-8 has DCOs, not VCOs. That's why it sounds more stable.

> Michael Zacherl, Management Data Wang Ltd., Vienna |

Pekka Martikainen
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: tmm@world.std.com (Tom M Moravansky)
Subject: Re: The Newest Emu synth... McAnalog!!!???!!!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:26:58 GMT

just an additional note - some of the analogs were sampled with fx -
chorus, delay, etc.  not just raw samples.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: rfries@sceng.ub.com (Robert Fries)
Subject: Kurzweil Pro 76
Organization: Ungermann Bass
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:33:38 GMT

Yesterday, I got a used Pro 76 Kurzweil. I've been looking at the K2000,
and decided I don't need all that power. My needs are simple, so I 
didn't need all the latest and greatest features. Besides the Pro 76 has a 
much better keyboard feel, and 76 keys. Saved a pile of money.

All the talk in this group seems to focus on the newest synths.
Does anyone out there know of a source for good programs for
the older Kurzweils (1000 series)?

Robert

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Robert Fries
Ungermann-Bass Inc.

DISCLAIMER:
    Opinions contained herein are my own, and are not necessarily those
    of Ungermann-Bass.
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: gaubfb@sun330 (Brian Bishop)
Subject: Re: KORG WS PATCH INFO
Organization: Fannie Mae
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:39:20 GMT

mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com wrote:
: 
: 
: Does anyone know of a public domain location for Korg Wavestation patches,
: etc.?

   I just scarfed a bunch from louie.udel.edu. I think the directory was
/pub/midi/patches/WAVESTATION or something close to that. I haven't unpacked
them yet, but they look like the factory patches for the A/D and the new SR.

: 
: Thanks!

     Yup.


  Loving my new K2000 too,

       Brian

--

    Brian Bishop ... gaubfb@fnma.com <=- (work) OR (play) -=> brian@grebyn.com

"Check beneath your fingernails, and in between your toes /
  Right between your earlobes, darling, that's where culture grows." - T. Dolby
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: an5169@anon.penet.fi (Juan Montoya)
Subject: more about Emu Vintage Keys
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: rec.music.makers.synth
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:33:36 GMT


    Why! Of course it ain't gonna be like the real thing! If it were to be,
if you could really have all analog synth sounds and play them with 32 voice
polyphony, then a lot of old gear retail owners wouls starve...:) Seriously
though, if the guts of the vintage keys are the same G & H chips found in the
Emax II and E IIIxp, then this unit is gonna be a real killer. There is no
digital filtering like that at all anywhere else. Not in the k2000 either.
I myself have my Emax II full of various raw samples from a wide variety of
old analogs, and when reso-filtered, while dont necesarily come that close
to the original, they have that warm and exciting analog feel. The same
.25 sec moog sample I am using for bass, pads, leads, without getting bored of
it yet.

      Besides, there are some other vintage sounds that are much more suitable
for sampling. A clear example is the mellotron: Nothing is more fun to me than
replacing your average perfect modern choir or sax sample with their mellotron
nasty counterparts, and have all my friends going "hey, this sampler of yours
just sounds old, go buy a korg o1/w !!!!"  :)))

         Juan Montoya.   reply to fausto@iec.csic.es

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From: kocherp@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul Carl Kocher)
Subject: ANNOUNCING CREATION OF M1 MAILING LIST
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 09:16:26 GMT

I will be starting an informal M1 mailing list soon.

If you'd like to discuss the M1, trade (legal) patches, etc.,
send me a *brief* message with your name and e-mail address.
As mentioned above, there may be a week or two I get the list
together, so don't worry if you don't get an immediate response
to your request.

-- Paul Kocher
kocherp@leland.stanford.edu

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young@scsu.ctstateu.edu                John Young
christen@astro.ocis.temple.edu         Carl Christensen
hjv@phil.ruu.nl                        Hendrik Jan
burbs@mstcat.intel.com                 David Burba
keeler@hercules.cs.uregina.ca          Jason Keeler

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: alexs@microware.com (Alex Stagg)
Subject: Re: Wavestation Flames (Re: Re:Wavestation limitation)
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:34:32 GMT

>
>Oh, and to LAiRD: "Look-at-my-rig" posturing? Me? Never. Oh, and it's
>DOCTOR Rothwell.
>

I knew it!! That's DOCTOR Rothwell _posing_ with his full-size,
cardboard WAVE mockup!!! 

(Offerred in good fun. :-)

-- 

Alex Stagg, Microware Systems Corporation
alexs@microware.com - 515/224-1929