HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: charles@phx.mcd.mot.com (Charles Wolff)
Subject: Re: Tape trades gone bad? Help!
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:07:26 GMT

}
}I'd be interested to find out if this has happened, and on what scale,  to
}some of the big tape tree coordinators like Paolo Galtieri. (Folks like
}this need to be commended for the job they do).
}
	Well,  Paolo  and  I  talked  about  it  over   coffee   today...
	fortunately,  we  are in the position where our finances are good
	enough that we can afford to front all the tapes for a BIG  tree,
	and  if a few don't come back, it's not a BIG problem.  (Which is
	not meant to let anybody off the  hook  :-).   Unfortunately,  we
	lost  some  of  our notes on one of the Vegas trees, so we had to
	just post and say, "if anybody  owes  us  tapes,  please  get  in
	touch."   Out  of  close  to 200 tapes (25 branches * 6 - 9 tapes
	per) we sent out on the two trees, as far as we know, we're  only
	owed  maybe 10 or so tapes at this point.  We intend to keep much
	better records next time around...

	I know I've been involved in a couple of trades where it took  me
	3-4  months  to get the tapes to the other person, so I try to be
	forgiving if somebody else takes a long time... usually,  a  nice
	friendly  reminder  helps out.  At some point, I'll even write to
	the person and say, "OK, would it make your life easier  to  just
	send  me a check for the price of the blank tapes I sent you?"  I
	would, of course, rather get the trades, but if the person's tape
	deck  died  or  something,  that's at least a way to close things
	out.

	The other thing we've found is that, for us, at least, running  a
	tape tree works out well.  We may send out 200 tapes, but they're
	just multiple copies of maybe six master tapes, so it's not  like
	we  have to go through and check levels on every tape or anything
	like that.  We set up our stack o' decks and make  four  or  five
	copies  at  a  time from the DAT masters... So if we send out 200
	tapes, which are relatively simple for us to make, and  get  back
	180 unique individual tapes, our biggest problem is just figuring
	out which one of us owns each of the 180 tapes we  got  and  when
	the other one is gonna have time to make their own copy of it...

	Of course, when we run our next tape tree and somebody  signs  up
	for  it  and we recognize their name as somebody who took forever
	to get tapes to us, or still owes us tapes, or something... well,
	that  person  is  probably  a  bit  less likely to be a top level
	branch on the next tape tree... :-) :-) :-)

	(by the way, on the Vegas tape trees, we had 25 top level branches
	because there were about 150 people on the tree and we didn't want
	the tree to be any more than one level deep... now that we have a
	pretty good idea of tape & noise reduction preferences, we've
	worked up a "tape forecast" & we plan to have all the top level
	branch tapes made and ready to ship by the time the tree is
	announced... our next tape trees have not been announced yet
	because we don't have the seed tapes in hand yet and we make it a
	rule not to announce the tree 'til we have the tapes... )

Charles
From: symonds@kodak.com (F. Peter Symonds)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Concert Info
Date: 4 Jan 93 13:29:09 GMT
Organization: Eastman Chemicals Company
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I found the following information in the Atlanta Constitution over the
weekend:

"Back from the almost-dead and certainly grateful, guitarist and tie
designer Jerry Garcia has given up a fatty diet of near-Elvisoid
proportions and finds himself on the road again with the Grateful Dead.

The band's annual spring tour makes two stops in the South this year,
playing March 20, 21, and 22 at The Omni in Atlanta and March 24 and 25
at the Dean Smith Center in Chapel Hill, NC.

The Dead played several dates in December following a five-month layoff,
during which Mr. Garcia, 50, recovered from exhaustion and various
weight-related ailments.  He since has lost more than 60 pounds.

'There's a universal great feeling about the way Jerry looked, felt,
acted and played,' says Dead spokesman Dennis McNally. 'The boy's back
and that's a fact.'

On-sale dates at Ticketmaster are Feb. 19 for shows in Chapel Hill and
Feb. 20 for The Omni run.  Ticket prices are pending, but all concerts on
the band's seven-city, 19-date tour are expected to sell out."


Does anyone know what the other 5 cities are and when the concerts will
be?  Any information will be greatly appreciated.
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From: budkee@unvax.union.edu (Eric M. Budke)
Subject: A request to be added to the emailing list
Organization: Union College, Schenectady, NY
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:49:10 GMT

Please put me on thanks.  And include the better address on which 
to do this sort of thing.
budkee@unvax.union.edu
From: bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: A Better Idea
Date: 11 Jan 1993 10:38:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, kstewart@ptdcs2.intel.com (Kent Stewart) says:

>
>
>(JED and Max Minkoff complain about wharfie flaming people publicly,
>and what bad karma it is, and why can't such disagreements be handled
>offline, etc, etc.)
>
>And I can't help but feel that you're holding him to standards you 
>yourself have been unwilling to live by, Joe.
>
>Have you already forgotten your unprovoked hate campaign against the
>members of a private mailing list that was pretty much leaving r.m.gd
>alone?  You and Steve had people such as Max--who had *no* first hand 
>knowledge of the truth--publicly equating people such as myself with Nazis,
>fer crying out loud.  In a very short span of time you managed to generate
>*far* more nastiness directed at us than we were being accused of. Far
>more.
>
>And what was the point? What was gained? What was the net contribution
>to the enjoyment of people who read this group?  Was this the good karma
>you're asking wharfie to display?  How do you dare, Joe?  Don't you have
>any mirrors in your house?
>
>Wharfie has a quick fuse, and sometimes sees black and white in situations
>where I see lots and lots of greys, but as far as I've been able to get to
>know him over the years, he seems to be a pretty honest guy. Opinionated,
>yes. Devious, no.  He may have no qualms about saying he thinks someone
>is an asshole, but I seriously doubt if he would spread lies about people,
>or encourage others to do so.
>
>So I think that telling him to clean up his act--while folks like Steve,
>and yourself, and andrejko, and "Joseph Hack", and everybody else that's
>anxious to join a public lynching of someone they don't even know over
>alleged deeds they know nothing about...while this whole cast of diverse
>and caustic charcaters does whatever the fuck they please--is spurious,
>absurd and hypocritical.
>
>Sure, I'm all in favor of a kinder, gentler usenet.  But I also remember
>very clearly who started the last shitstorm. It wasn't Wharf Rat. Nor was
>it myself.  So just who are the good karma police, eh?
>
>--bongo  (guitarist, nethead, wheelie, alleged nazi)

Shouldn't that be...

--bongo (dweeb, snively little whiner, wheelie, alleged nazi, etc)




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From: blewis@helix.nih.gov (barbara lewis)
Subject: Re: East Coast Net Gatherings?
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:30:27 GMT

In article <3440@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> mjwagner@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Mike Wagner) writes:
>I read about net gatherings on the west coast and wonder if there has been
>or is going to be one anytime in the not-so-distant future for us east and
>kinda-a east coasters??
>
>Mike

I'd second this proposal!  Too bad we're not as close to each other as the
maps may lead us to believe.  Any D.C. net heads want to try this gathering
concept out?  I'm game if you are!  ;)

Barb(era)

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz)
Subject: Re: Tape trades gone bad? Help!
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 02:12:59 GMT

Well, I can understand why people wouldn't want to post messages
like "so and so is a thief".

But, if someone were to publicly post a message like "e-mail doesn't
seem to be getting thru and how are those tapes you're making for me
coming along?" -- in the form of a question, not an accusation, you'll
notice -- things might move forward.

== Bob Yazz ==
-- 


"The times they are a-changing."
From: pkemp@byron.u.washington.edu (Paul Kemp)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Belated Dead sighting... Holiday Bowl
Date: 11 Jan 1993 23:56:16 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: byron.u.washington.edu

I was watching the Holiday Bowl (before New Year's) between U of Oregon and Wake
Forest.  The game was played in Shervepoint, LA.  There was a huge banner with
a SYF emblem and the words "Dead Heads" hanging on the sideline.  Does anyone
know if these were local (LA) heads, dead-heads from Oregon (my guess) or heads
from Wake Forest (NOT...)?
pk


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From: "Robert K. Toutkoushian" <TOUTKOUS@vx.cis.umn.edu>
Subject: Dead citing on "Sisters"
Reply-To: TOUTKOUS@vx.cis.umn.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:09:03 GMT

Hey Now!

	On Saturday evening (OK, I have no life :-)) during the
show "Sisters", Teddy (one of the sisters) was about to move into
the masion of some rich guy. She remarks before leaving "Well, I
guess I'll have to give up my Deadhead label". Teddy, BTW, is a
fashion designer on the show, although no Jerry ties have been seen
as of yet. Believe it if you need it...

Rob Toutkoushian
University of Minnesota
INTERNET: toutkous@vx.cis.umn.edu
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From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: The Porsche Guy
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 23:36:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.222028.26832@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> JESLREYN@ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>
>Please don't flame me for my ignorance.  What's the story behind
>The Porsche Guy?  He was mentioned, but not defined, in the FAQ.

Don't have a copy anymore:-( But hang on it's bound to come around
once again.

Wheel keeps turnin' 'round and 'round,
bound to cover just a little more ground.
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From: ANDREJKOW@tbosch.dnet.ge.com
Subject: Advice on how to run a tree
Reply-To: ANDREJKOW@tbosch.dnet.ge.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:51:49 GMT


	Unlike dogs, trees can be very difficult to run.  With the exception
of the very rare African walking trees, most do not require a leash.  If
the tree can be dug up and placed in a wagon or wheelbarrel it can be moved
quite efficiently.  Running the tree, however, usualy proves to be fairly
awkward and cumbersome.  Hope this helps.
From: lstein@adobe.com (Larry Stein)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Dead @ Monterey
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:17:08 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.gdead
Organization: Adobe Systems

In article <1993Jan11.121136.7197@gw.wmich.edu>, x88keon@gw.wmich.edu
wrote:
> 
> 
> I recently bought the Monterey Festival box set.  In the book inside it shows
> the Dead playing, and then on the same page it says "some artists chose not to
> be included for (whatever reasons)".
> 
> What songs did they play?  Anybody know why they aren't on this recording?
> 
> --x88keon@gw.wmich.edu

      I think there might be a very good reason as to why the Dead
      didn't want to be included in this box set.  A friend of mine
      attended the entire festival and told me that the Dead was the
      only act to play between The Who and Jimi Hendrix!!  

      He said that they appeared decidedly uncomfortable having to
      follow The Who.

      --larry
From: pmacdon@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Macdonald)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: 48 Hours on LSD????? 8)
Date: 7 Jan 93 05:52:43 GMT

gee Dan. I know the feeling. 8+)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: ajm@bigcat.bellcore.com (Tony Merolla)
Subject: Re: 48 Hours on Haight Street
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 21:45:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.230431.22472@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>, Sheila Momaney <sheila_momaney@rad-mac1.ucsf.edu> writes:
|> GatorMail-Q                   48 Hours on Haight Street
|> henniss@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kathryn Henniss) wrote:
|> |I thought the 48 Hours show on acid last night was
|> |irresponsible, sensationalistic, bullshit journalism, 
|> |very skewed towards portraying acid as a societal menace.

|> IMO it was less skewed than most media portrayals.  If anyone

I have to agree, I thought the show was relatively objective and brought
out some valid points. Its kind of annoying that its almost a requirement
that any show on LSD has footage of the Grateful Dead playing but lets be
real, the Grateful Dead experience and psychedlic experience are pretty
intimately linked.

|> |..I thought they were way heavy on
|> |stories about people who ate HUGE amounts of acid and ended
|> |up with problems, people who (like the guy who did acid
|> |and said he had a bad trip that lasted 3 years), who just might 
|> |have been fucked up to begin with, and would have had to deal
|> |with it whether acid existed or not.  

I don't think everyone who's had prolonged after-effects from LSD use
was fucked-up to begin with. The show made the point that some minority
of people, because of genetic differences in their constitutional make-up,
may be more prone to experiencing long-lasting symptoms. For these people,
dropping acid *is* like playing Russian Roulette. Its an area where more 
research is needed.

Anyway, what pissed me off more than anything was not the show, but the
fact that these kids are being sent to jail for such long prison terms for
something as (relatively) innocuous (sp) as acid possesion/sale. 
I think its a much worse crime putting these kids behind bars. Hell,
if we were half as zealous in prosecuting murderers, burglars, rapists,
etc, we'd be in much better shape! And as for that guy from DEA whose answer
was "Ask the parents ... what kind of sentence they should receive", since
when is justice in this country meted out by taking a poll? 
IMO, this is pretty sick shit.

Tony Merolla
From: erxleben@ece.arizona.edu (Wayne Erxleben)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Dead citing (or was it a rerun?)
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:56:01 GMT
Reply-To: erxleben@ece.arizona.edu (Wayne Erxleben)
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering


Saw an episode of the _New_ WKRP in Cincinnati this weekend in which
Dr. Johnny Fever makes a guest appearance (which I think he does
occasionally).  He's talking with one of the younger new DJ's, who
tells Johnny that he never met his father---he kind of drifted around
the country.  Then it goes something like this:

  Young DJ:  My mother says I was conceived during a Grateful Dead
             concert, during one of those long Jerry Garcia guitar
             solos.

  Johnny:  Was she dancing in front of the speakers?

  Young DJ:  Yeah, with real long flowing hair.

  Johnny:  Wearing tie-dye?

  Young DJ:  Yeah, that's the one.

  Johnny:  Could have been!  (Johnny exits, leaving the young DJ to
           realize after a few seconds that Johnny might be his father.)


Pretty funny.  I'm not sure though if this was a new episode or a rerun.


Wayne Erxleben
University of Arizona
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Steve Jeck <sjeck@isi.com>
Subject: FOR SALE: Home of Jerry Garcia
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:48:24 GMT


From the San Francisco Chronicle, Herb Caen writes:

"It's a little cold for a swim but there was real estate
 lady Esther Skolnick paddling around in Jerry Garcia's
 Olympic-sized pool in San Rafael.  Esther was showing
 Jerry's place, on the market for $1.4 million, when she
 tripped over a Deadhead and kersplash..."


Hope you all caught the Dead's performance on the _48_Hours_
TV show about LSD last night.  Wonder what the subtle message
behind showing footage of the band featuring the late Brent
Mydland was?

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: LAURAL@midd.bitnet
Subject: unexpected dead
Reply-To: LAURAL@midd.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:55:57 GMT

        I just got out of a seminar up here.  Takin this very intense English
Lit  Comprehensive thing.  Sat next to my professor, and she takes her watch
off and puts it on the desk in front of her.  Yep, it's a SYF watch!  We're
all over...   Had a good class session too...8-)

Off to mail order!

Larz
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: "Doug Budzak" <DBUDZAK@IVY>
Subject: BOP (harvey) in Washington
Reply-To: DBUDZAK@IVY
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:58:24 GMT

What great news - BOP (harvey) playing for the Inaugural Ball! If the
Disney Channel does air this, if someone out there could tape this for
me, I'd surely appreciate it. The lead singer in BOP (harvey) is an old
high school friend of mine, as well as former band-mate, and I'd love
to see Steve (Wordsmith), Dan, Scott & the rest of the guys on TV.

Many kind & crispy tapes to trade, or I could send a blank videotape,
etc.  Tanx! Doug Budzak         dbudzak%ivy@uicvm.uic.edu
From: tnnguyen@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Jerry's Birthday
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:22:06 GMT
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, VA.

In article <C0EI82.Ms4@csn.org>, richardf@teal.csn.org (Richard Forbin) writes:
> 
> Does anyone here know what Jerry's birthday is?
>
August 1, 1942
From: eds@po.CWRU.Edu (Ethan D. Siegel)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Is mailorder still worthy?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 21:08:52 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Mike,

Usually, mail order for the arena's that are on part I don't 
sell out immediately.  Cap Centre might, but it is middle of the
week.  Cleveland may or may not.  Either way, you won't get the
worst seats but you may not get great seats.  I may have some
extras for Richfield if you're interested, as I ordered for a
couple of friends who may not be able to make it.

Ethan

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*  Case Western Reserve U.  * it would burn off both your ears."*
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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: newsreaders
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:04:22 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <15176@cis.rand.org> cave@cis.rand.org (Jonathan Cave) writes:
>personal mail to wharfie bounces.

	Try unisql!wrat@cs.utexas.edu.  I'm not on the Internet.

>The key you want for this sort of thing is "s", not "f" (assuming rn).

	I don't use a newsreader.  Just cat stuff from the spool.  All that
cutesy-pie user interface crap is too much trouble to install.

	Look, I'm not a saint and I'm not going to turn the other
cheek every time.  Even Jesus withered a few fig trees here and there.

									wr


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From: John Lancia <lanciaj@nic.cerf.net>
Subject: Tape Decks???
Reply-To: lanciaj@nic.cerf.net
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:38:59 GMT

Hello All,  Hope everyone is finally getting back to normal ( what ever
that may be) after the holidaze...  I'm looking for some help selecting
a double tape deck which I'm getting as a gift.  My price range is $300
and I've narrowed it down to two decks.  It's between the Denon DRW 660
and the Yamaha 262.  Anyones $0.03 is appreciated.... Also if there is
a different deck I should look at please advise me ...Thanx and please
respond via e-mail....


							Thanks,

-- John Lancia
   CERFnet
   800-876-2373
From: gaile@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (Gail Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Mail Order Question
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:00:28 GMT
Organization: The Internet

In article <1993Jan11.210357.6769@pony.Ingres.COM> reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) writes:
>In article <Jan.8.10.38.43.1993.6251@gandalf.rutgers.edu> davef@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Dave Fischer) writes:
>>
>>If I use Elvis stamps on my envelopes, will it increase 
>>my chances of good seats?

Only if you give him horns, fangs, and a little goatee.

(Hmmm, does the post office accept altered stamps?  Better check before
trying this.)

Gail
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: spinaa@rpi.edu (Matt Garretson)
Subject: Re: Sun format Dead audio samples
Keywords: Short samples
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:51:42 GMT

That reminds me: what's the deal with the "YouGottaHearThis.snd" at the
site? It sounds pretty strange!  What is it supposed to be?

Thanks
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: "Mark E. Johnson" <maejohns@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: computer images available?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:57:40 GMT


I would really like to find some .gif .tiff or postscript images
of the boys, skull, bears, etc...

anyone know where i can find some of these to display on my 
computer screen??

mark
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: Acid on TV
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 21:26:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.194743.17347@reed.edu> bowman@reed.edu (BoBolicious) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.162757.12390@sunspot.noao.edu> brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan7.041817.21822@pool.info.sunyit.edu> uajg@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Andrew Germaine) writes:
>>>Well CBS aired their show "48 Hours" tonight and the story was:
>>>"LSD: return trip"...
>>Best scene for me was a closeup of Ken Kesey saying " It's the media's
>>fault." :-) :-) :-) It is or was or always has been the media's
>>fault.  :-) :-) ;-)
>
>Actually, he said, with all his Kesey charm, "It's the media that done it!"
>

Actually, your right. Must have been the contact high or the bong.

Or "I don't know it must have been the roses" :-) :-) :-)

Still it was the best part for me, Kesey looked in extremely good
health, it must be the doses:-)

Timothy Leary on the other hand is certainly showing age.

Just more fodder for Wharfie and Mr. Hack:-) :-) :-)
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From: romansz@dori.ECE.ORST.EDU (zachary romans)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Elvis stamp
Date: 9 Jan 93 03:53:56 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: dori.ece.orst.edu


	Sixty or seventy years?  Hell, I've had 'em before!  (They were really
fun, too.)
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