From: audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: When do we stop being outsiders? (WAS Re: The Journal on ...)
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:45:19 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article (Craig Campbell) writes:
>I had not heard (or thought about) that.  I have also heard (unconfirmed
>rumor at best) that some of the courts in Quebec use "Napoleonic Law"
>(Correct term?) meaning that the accused must prove their innocence.  
>Is this true, or just utter rubbish?

No, of course this is absolute rubish (like you say). First, it is
called "Code Civil" ("Civil Code" is you prefer). The first Civil Code
was instaured by Napoleon and was forced on a few european countries.
tn remained the judicial system in most of these countries afterwards.

You are INNOCENT until proven guilty in the civil code as well.

The Civil Code (at least in Quebec) does not apply to Criminal Law
(Droit Criminel) or to Constitution Law (or anything that concerns the
other provinces). The Civil Code applies to "lesser" things. The Code
Civil is just a set of laws that are written, instead of relying
always on precedents (like with jurisprupence). Note that
jurisprudence is also considered. Every X years (5 or so), the Civil
Code is revised to incorporate changes in the jurisprudence.

>Why don't other cultures in canada also have this fear.  I have some personal
>experience with German, Italian, and some Oriental cultures and have never
>detected any fear of their culture dieing.

When these immigrants moved to Canada they didn't expect the country
to be german or italian. The french-canadian originally created this
country. It is only normal that they whant to keep their culture.

>Well, for one Quebec is not a nation. 

Of course Quebec is a nation!

>>Recently, a Ottawa university published a work demonstrating that 
>>Native were better treated in Quebec than in TROC.  Why the impression
>>of opposite shown by canadian press?
>
>Perhaps there were other studdies, done by other reputable organizations
>concluding the opposite.  It is not uncommon for various studies to 
>contradict each other.  Especially about things that are subjective, such as
>"How well you are treated".

A year ago, someone on this posted an american study that showed the
same thing, with numbers, not interpretation. It compared the
situation of indians across Canada on the following  topics:
	Education
	Revenue
	Percentage of the indians that are in jail
	Health
	etc.
It turned out that in ALL of the categories, the indians were better
off in Quebec than in any other province. In some cases, far more.
Of course, their situation is a lot less enviable than for "white"
people, but it is a myth created by TROCian press that they are less
well treated in Quebec than in the rest of Canada.

>Is it possible, that English Canada is being used as a scapegoat for all
>the woes in Quebec?  Nothing, including Canada is perfect.  

What do you see on this net? Canada-bashing or Quebec-bashing? Who is
accused of being racist, facist, of wanting to destroy the country?
-- 
Francois Audet
Telephone: (613) 592-2121 x1754
Internet: Francois.Audet@software.Mitel.COM