From: johndunk@planet10.wpi.edu (John Dunkelberg)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Liberal/New Age Religion (Was: Santeria and animal-sacrifice)
Date: 12 Nov 92 08:01:33 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

In article <Nov.11.03.00.10.1992.15097@geneva.rutgers.edu> ewanco@kalvin.enet.dec.com writes:
> Unless you call the 50s moral mindset "fundamentalist",
>I don't think anyone wants to turn this into a fundamentalist state.

Oh, heavens no.  The 50s was a wonderful time.. just because you could
be blacklisted from government grants/jobs because a colleague of yours
once went to a 'socialist' gathering... just because we had a resurgence
of "a woman's place is in the home: barefoot and pregnant..."...
Bleugh!

>Plus the fact that already this society is becoming increasingly hostile to
>Christian morality.  Abstinence is not just not taught, it is forbidden.

snort.. giggle... I request a reference to a law which "abstinence is
forbidden"... hah..

>Christians are forbidden to meet in public areas.

where do you live again?  I request a reference again please.  Do you
refer to the use of public facilities for religious meetings?

>Christian symbols are removed from public view (even if on private property).

snort... yeah right... reference please.

>Homosexuals are given rights to prosletyze that no Christians are ever given.

Darn their dirty hides [what!] reference please.

>Most fundamentalists would be quite happy with a return to the morals this
>nation has had for the first 180 years of its existence.

Yes, but would you want to live under those laws... would your wife or
daughter!?!  Keep those niggers in line! and why teach them womenfolk
to read!

>Oh, there is no question that the New Age isn't "New".  It's all paganism and
>witchcraft from ancient times.  Yes, it predates Christianity.  Unfortunately,
>societies based on these religions tended to be much nastier than anything
>we've seen today.

hahahahahahahahahaha... please explain the Inquisition and the holocaust..

>Again, the issue is not so much religious belief, as morality.  The U.S. has
>never had a standard religion, but until recently we _did_ have a standard
>set of morals.

[Buzzer]  wrong... thank you for playing.  We have always had disparate
morals... from the R.I. colonies to Virginia to Florida...

>You are quite, quite incorrect.  It was this year that the official
>condemnation of Galileo was removed.

and it took this long!?

> As we know today, Galileo was in fact wrong anyway.

whaaa?

> He was condemned because he was obnoxious, rebellious, and troublemaking.

stop them thinkers man! they're getting in the way!

>If you think that the Catholic Church has done society a bad turn, then just
>take a look at the societies of the Babylonians, Assyrians, Muslims, Druids,
>Aztecs, Romans, Nazis, Hindus, and Communists.

Wow.. what a set of apples and oranges, are we talking religion, morals,
or cultures here...

I suppose the Crusades were actually a tea party too... and the various
wars thru Europe over religion...

>Paganism does society far more harm than Christianity.

please quantify and prove your point

"I wish I had your God on my side..."

john


-- 
			John S. Dunkelberg Jr.
 johndunk@wpi.wpi.edu johndunk@sidney.wpi.edu johndunk@maxine.wpi.edu
	  WPI CS GradStudent     WPI CAD LAB SystemAdmin TA
			 Nakitsura ni hatchi

[I hope what people actually want is a sort of SCA version of 
the 1950's: the 1950's as they should have been.  Presumably you
can want some features of a past time without actually wanting
to get into a time machine and experience everything.  But maybe
I'm being too optimistic...  --clh]