HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hrubin@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Rubin Herman)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Doctor's hours
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:15:19 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <QefI5Zy00WBNQ8po0f@andrew.cmu.edu> sean+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sean McLinden) writes:

			........................

>I'm not a big defender of political medical organizations but this comment
>is a non-sequitur. Almost everyone who has complained to this group over the
>years about the hours of house officers is either 1) a house officer, 2)
>contemplating being a house officer, 3) a former patient of a fatigued house
>officer, or 4) a family member who misses their house officer. The "medical
>establishment" seems always to blame. The truth of the matter is that the
>individual department chairmen of who comprise the various clinical colleges
>for graduate medical training set their own rules for house officer call and
>they don't conspire to "fix" hours or prices. There is no conspiracy.

I am not in any of these categories.  However, I am a consumer of medical
services, and I perceive what I consider the effect of this type of 
"training" on the practitioners; regardless of the disclaimers presented
here, it is next to impossible to find a physician who does not essentially
practice stimulus-response medicine instead of thinking.  

Now some of this would happen in any case.  But I believe that if the 
training of physicians consisted more of reasoning than emergency-room
procedures, all of us would be much better off.
-- 
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Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
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From: cease@carina.unm.edu (Cecilia De Blasi)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Hiccups
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:50:21 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep3.155544.18020@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jat8419@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>I think hiccups are caused by an airbubble in the avioli or..something else
>in the resp. system.  don't hold me to this but i believed this is true
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>Emergency Medical Services Certified First Responder
>Pre-Medical Studies				R.I.T. Ambulance
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>			"Trauma Junkie"
>            "We make house-calls....all night long"
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Ummm....   Hmmm....  As far as I can surmise, having air bubbles in the
alveoli is quite a normal (actually, essential!) part of life.   :)



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From: ridgelyb@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Ridgely)
Subject: Re: hematology
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 19:22:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.085355.799@cnedcu51.bitnet> Pascal.Azerad@maths.unine.ch (Pascal A. AZERAD) writes:
>A close friend of mine asked me whether factor XII is either a fibrinolytic 
>or coagulant agent in hemostasis. Thanks for answers!
>
>-- 
>	Pascal Azerad                 "Les mathematiques sont simples,
>	Institut de mathematiques      c'est nous qui sommes compliques."
>	Universite de Neuchatel
>	Switzerland.
>
>	Pascal.Azerad@maths.unine.ch


Factor XII is a coagulant factor in the intrinsic coagulation pathway.
(This according to a pathologist friend of mine who happens to be sitting 
next to me.)

Brian Ridgely
From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Baclofen
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:34:00 GMT
Organization: Magick Shoppe, Gurth City

rn11195@sage (Robert Nehls) writes:
> 
> One other note.  Baclofen is also used to control spasticity.  Also,
> Medtronic has received approval to use Baclofen in their implantable,
> programmable drug pump.  By using the drug pump, the Baclofen can be
> administered directly where its needed, a smaller dossage can be
> administered at the rate prescribed by the physician, which should mean
> less side effects for the patient.

And I think, this way it is used to make a spinal cord narcosis, injected
directly in the ug range (one thousandth of the usual dose, if I remember
correctly).

--ralf
BTW: As a tetraplegic I'm taking it daily 10 mg.  Highest doses for tetras
are 100-150 mg.  Withdrawal has to be slow, decreasing dose within weeks
or months.
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Bates and myopia treatment
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:11:53 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <3978@sicsun.epfl.ch> basturk@nebin.cica.fr (Erol Basturk) writes:
>
>In 1918, Dr. W. Bates, published a book, "A better Eyesight without
>glasses", which seems to be the beginning of a new way of
>considering optical problems of the eye. Since then, many books and
>articles have been written on the subject, which seems to indicate a
>rich domain of investigation. However, the eye treatement seems to
>be still an alternative science, for reasons which remains obscur.
>
Not obscure.  It's because the Bates method doesn't work.







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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: DMT
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:53:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep14.145305.20816
Distribution: na
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Sep13.185719.26138@newstand.syr.edu> mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline) writes:
>Back in the 60s in california
>it was called DMT.  More recently its been called "ecstasy," along
>with several similar drugs  which also mess with the excitatory
>neurotransmitters and can be neurotoxic in high enough doses.

I can't imagine DMT being called "ecstacy", because it isn't orally
active and its effects don't resemble MDMA at all.  Of course, who
knows what you get on the street to being with?

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: sean+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sean McLinden)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: headaches (was Re: Xanax)
Date: 13 Sep 92 05:51:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.4egoRiK00WBO41NvAU
	<s7vnv7m.strnlght@netcom.com>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>But the smear, or people who repeat smear charges they half-understand,
>continues.
> 
>"60 Minutes and the Assassination of Werner Erhard--A True Story"
>by Jane Self, Ph.D. Breakthru Publishing (713-522-7660) $19.95
> 
>From the dust jacket:
>"When the author of this book was contacted about taking on the project
>of uncovering the truth behind this story, she was warned that she was
>basically on her own and that it might even involve risking her lie.
                                                                 ^^^
David, what would Freud say about this?  ------------------------^^^
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Xanax
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:47:02 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <=7rn2_p.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>
>ask not "Why?" but "What would it take to change?" In particular
>the Neuro-lingustic Programming people are famous for 15 minute
>phobia cures of patients long in therapy without success. They
>have other techniques for what are ordinarily considered neurotic
>symptoms.
>
>Orthodox psychiatrists would argue that the symptoms are simply suppressed,
>and will recur, perhaps in other ways. It would seem the empirical
>data from the NLP crowd calls this assumption into question.
>
>Does anyone have any evidence, either way, on this subject?
>

I've never seen any data from them on the phobia cures.  I know
that phobias are some of the most easily curable neuroses
using behavioral therapy.  I have had some experience with
a NLP practitioner who claims to be able to cure migraines,
and in the patients I've seen, he hasn't.  Of course, if
they were cured, I suppose they wouldn't be seeing me.



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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Rising health care costs. Was: Mercury in fillings
Organization: WP Group
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 01:43:27 GMT


From article <1992Sep4.170915.23727@kestrel.edu>, by king@reasoning.com (Dick King):
dk> Even a correct assertion that liability insurance is a small part 
dk> of the cost of medical care does not refute GEB's assertion that 
dk> fear of malpractice cases motivates unnecessary tests and cost 
dk> substantial bucks.  

Perhaps, but it's still ludicrous for anyone (even the AMA) to pretend
that malpractice litigation is the main cause for the rising cost
of medical care.

How much have hospital room rates risen in the past two decades?
How much have the incomes of physicians risen in the past two decades?

One more question:  Would you suggest that malpractice claims be
banned altogether?  Or, are you proposing that they be limited in
some way. [please specify]

dk> Consider the following set of facts:
dk> ...
dk> * Juries will routinely award a $250,000 malpractice award if you 
dk> needed the Foo Procedure, but didn't get it because no Widget Test 
dk> was performed.

If it were true that juries routinely make such awards, it seems 
to me that the awards would be a matter of court record, and not 
merely bandied about in urban legends.  If we were to check the 
trends in tort litigation awards over the past two decades, do 
you think we'd see any evidence of such munificence?  [The correct 
answer is 'no'.] 

dk> ...
dk> * Juries are unwilling to hear arguments of the form "yes, we could 
dk> have prevented this, but at what an economic cost!!!  $2 M / case"

How much do you know about the sentiments of juries in 
malpractice cases?  As I pointed out a few months ago, California 
dentists who still perform a truly shitty dental procedure called 
"Sargenti endodontics" have won the majority of malpractice cases 
brought against them, in spite of the fact that the Sargenti 
procedure is widely condemned by the major endo textbooks as well 
as by the FDA.  If you were serving on such a jury, how would you
decide if you heard a dozen dentists stand up for the defendent
and argue that dentistry isn't an exact science and sometimes the
results aren't what we'd like to expect?  Would you look at the
evidence presented by the plaintiff's expert?  Or, would you 
sympathize with the doctor whose reputation is at stake?

-- 
Russell Lawrence, WP Group, New Orleans (504) 443-5000
russ@wpg.com   uunet!wpg!russ
From: zorrilla@cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Eric Zorrilla)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Xanax
Date: 6 Sep 92 14:48:11 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Sep4.185731.8543@equator.com> jod@equator.com (John Setel O'Donnell) writes:

>Psychiatric patients are given drugs to mask or numb the effects of
>old traumas -- overwhelmingly, parental abuse, abandonment, or
>enmeshment.

This is a politically motivated view.  The truth of the matter is that we know
very little about what etiologically drives many of these functional and
structural changes (though some of this is changing).  However, to assert
that physiological changes are all a consequence of "suppression of old
traumas" is as misguided as saying that they are all demonstrations of an
endogenously arising disease process.  We don't know enough about etiology
for many disorders to say anything substantive one way or the other.

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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
Subject: Seasonal Factors in Substance Abuse
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 21:21:52 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Hello, I am looking for articles or research that has been
done regarding any types of seasonal or cyclical patterns
or reasons in substance abuse, both in usage and in treatment.
I am looking for these articles for our program here at UNM
Center on Alcoholism, Substance Abuse and Addictions.  The issue
was raised because our attendence is low right now, we feel due to 
the NM State Fair, but we'd like any information or research 
that has been done to either confirm this, or to look into 
other possible reasons.  thank you in advance
Dominick V. Zurlo

responses may be emailed to me at anthropo@carina.unm.edu

Newsgroups: sci.med
From: jelia@world.std.com (Joe J Elia)
Subject: Re: Part III,  Doctors Secretly Inject Cancer Cells Into Patients
Keywords: shades of Dr. Mengele,  human medical experimentation
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:20:14 GMT

I've read all installments of this so far, and now in Part 3 I learn
that these injections took place in the 1950s, before the advent of the
Institutional Review Boards, before the publication of "Research and the
Individual" by Henry Beecher, and much else to protect people against
loosely wired biomedical scientists.

How many more parts are forthcoming? And does the poster own an
asbestos suit?

 

-- 
Joe Elia <jelia@world.std.com>     | "This is this."  -- DeNiro  |
From: fedrick@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Kelvin W. Fedrick)
Subject: Re: Xanax
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:01:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.214122.18585@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.055441.22439@equator.com> jod@equator.com (John Setel O'Donnell) writes:
>>Most people who've grown up in our culture have experienced the abuse I'm
>>talking about, the helping professions included.  
>
>I think you're begging for abuse--here: you're a looney tune.
>What nonsense!  And these people expect to be treated seriously
>when they pop up here.  It boggles the mind!

 Ah, dare I say it? What the hell.

 Steve, this sounds rather ... um ... abusive. <hysterical laughter>

-kelvin
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: baboon heart recipient
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:22:25 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Sep11.184630.27650@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> djh@osc.edu (David Heisterberg) writes:
>I read that the 35 year old man who received the baboon heart has died
>after 10 weeks.  I think this was pretty remarkable
>work, on both the medical team and patient's parts.  Is there anyone
>involved, or otherwise knowlegeable who can comment of the successes,
>failures, decisions, surprises, etc. involved in this case?  Thanks.

Well, our own Howard Doyle was quoted in a recent story around the time
of the patient's death.  He's been pretty tight-lipped about it here on
the net.  I imagine that their media access is pretty controlled, and
that would include comments made on sci.med, however strange it is to
think of this as a media outlet (as opposed to a version of electronic
professional wrestling.)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: landriau@Software.Mitel.COM (Marc Landriault)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Voltaren
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:38:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.


Recently my aunt has been diagnosed with calcification 
of the bone, and a doctor has prescribed the drug
Voltaren.
Can someone explain to me this disease, and is 
this medication effective ?
I beleive a blood sample has detected the calcification.

Thanks in Advance,
Marc Landriault.
From: sean+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sean McLinden)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Politics and sci.med (was: unc health care study)
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:55:25 GMT
	<dssnxnj.strnlght@netcom.com>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>As a relative newcomer here, I found a reasonable message of mine
>flamed by Gordon Banks. Now I see that in response to another's
>temperately phrased message he uses language like "soapbox" and "this
>crap"?
> 
>Is he:
>a)unable to control his id?
>b)a juvenile (of whatever age)?
>c)arrogant?
>d)inappropriately combative?
>e)in need of therapy?
>f)something I've omitted from this list?

Try "correct!"
 
>Just asking, not asserting.

In response to a prior posting, the above 6 points would constitute
an "ad hominem" attack.
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Xanax
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:46:50 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <h0rn7xh.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>In response to a comment about NLP 15 minute phobia cures, Steve Dyer
>posts a flame without evidence.
>
>Can he provide evidence that there have not been such cures? I personally
>witnessed one myself, and Tony Robbins used to go around the country
>challenging therapists to bring him their worst patients. He was famous
>for the 15-minute cures, and to date has not been discredited.
>
>Let's keep this discussion on a factual level; Dyer's polemics
>don't add to a serious discussion.

In science, it is the person making the claims of the cure that
is obligated to provide the evidence, not the skeptic.  In your
case, what evidence do you have that the person Robbins cured
was truly phobic?  What evidence do you have that he was cured?
How were these things determined.  It should be a simple matter
to prove these assertions, if they are true.






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From: ohumukin@spectra.com (Kawika Ohumukini)
Subject: The REAL NLP 
Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 18:18:19 GMT

Hi,

I have been reading the posts on this net for the last couple of
weeks and feel that the belief of what NLP is and what it isn't
is the question.  

First of all, Tony Robbins doesn't like NLP (Neuro-Linguistic
Programming) because he doesn't believe he is programming anyone.
He is giving them tools to make changes in their lives if THEY
CHOOSE TOO.  This is critical.  You can't change somebody unless
they want to change.

Second, NLP, in it's basic form, is only a form of feedback.
Like a good therapist or hypnotist, your results are only as good
as the feedback you receive.  If you tell someone, "I like
you" and they look at you and say, "Bug off!" that's your result.
Your result wasn't that they like you even though you may like them.
Your result was that they told you to bug off.

Third, it's easy to start to start to look at a process (NLP) as
a thing that's either good or bad.  I don't know of any process that
is perfect in every situation.  It's empowering to me to start with
a process and modify it for my situation(s).  In business we talk
about constantly improving our processes (ex: FORD "Quality is job 1").
This may be true in life.  Life is a process isn't it?  Isn't the
sum total of all our actions determining our experience of life?
Those who stop improving their life process, many times, ridicule those
who are rushing by them improving their process.

Last, try it!  NLP/NAC (tony robbins) claims don't mean anything if
it doesn't work for you, right?  If you have already decided that it
doesn't work before you even try it, you have essentially talked yourself
out of it.  This is a form of skepticism which really means you are fearful.
Afraid of what might happen, maybe you will waste time or look foolish
to your friends/family, or maybe you will be violating a value or belief
that these processes don't really work and you may feel guilty.  I don't
know what it is but ask yourself this:
If you fear that it doesn't work and you try it and it doesn't, do you
not feel the pain of failure twice?  
So why not drop the fear, try it and be done with it?

If a room of 1,000 people all try a NLP technique and it doesn't change
999 of the people but 1 person experiences a change, does that one person
care that it didn't work 999 times?

I welcome comments I have been studying this subject for several months
and practice it personally daily.

Have a great day!

Kawika 
Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.skeptic
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Subject: Re: Chiropractic and Flame Bait (long)
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:24:08 GMT

In article <BuG8qy.GLr@belay>, buick@belay (Patrick D. Buick) writes:
>>If chiropractors only claimed to be able to do what manipulation can 
>>really do, they'd be called physical therapists, and nobody would mind.
>
>Credentials, please?  Granted, physical therapists are doing wonders,
>but again, there is a reason for specialization.. should the therapists
>be responsible for it all?

Just what is it that you claim chiropractic can do that doesn't fall under the
definition of physical therapy?

>In addition to this, if doctors only claimed
>to be able to do what current medical training or more accurately current
>medical practice consists of they would not be able to call themselves
>doctors by the Oxford definition.  It includes *preventative* actions
>toward diseases and disorders of the body.  How many do you know that
>practice proactive *preventative* medicine?

Actually, every doctor with whom I've dealt in the past several years does just
that.  It appears to me that you have a tendency to deal with quacks.  That
WOULD tend to explain your support for chiropractic.
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Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Prevalence of Hyperobesity
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:37:10 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Sep10.120146.18318@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>
>A paper appearing in the latest issue of the International Journal of
>Obesity confirms the observations reported on the net.  Hyperobesity
>was markedly greater in the US than either France or the UK.
>
>"There was a strikingly high percentage of very obese women (>50%
>overweight) in the USA (8% or the population) as compared to the
>two European countries (2% in France and 3% in the UK)."
>

Any breakdown according to ethnicity?  It would be interesting
to see how French and English Americans compare to their counterparts
in Europe.  One has the impression that certain ethnic groups
carry a higher percentage of the hyperobese, especially among
women.  
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