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In comp.sys.hp, stroyan@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mike Stroyan) writes:

> > We have newly purchased a HP 720, and right now started the vue environment.
> > 
> >  How do we get window focus changed by mouse movement? The default mode is
> > that you have to click in the window you want to write in. 
> 
> > Olaf F. Normann
> 
> Set the xrdb resource-
> Vuewm*keyboardFocusPolicy:      pointer
> 
> There is a RES_EDIT tool under the applications popup that makes it
> easy to edit the xrdb settings.  Use the "restart vuewm" root menu
> item to restart the window manager and make the new resource setting
> take affect.  Resave the home session if you use one, since the xrdb
> settings are saved as part of the current or home session.

As an aside, in the hp-ux 9.0 version of Vue you will be able to configure
this behavoir via the "Vue Style Manager" in a new "Window" sub-panel. 
Until then the res_edit method is the way to go.

--
Howard Stroyan                                         
Hewlett-Packard                                        hstroyan@fc.hp.com
User Interface Technology Division
From: michael@lakers.EBay.Sun.COM (Michael)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Connecting SCSI scanners to Series 700 workstations
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:15:03 GMT
Reply-To: michael@lakers.EBay.Sun.COM (Michael)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: lakers.ebay.sun.com


Hi:

Does anyone have information about support of Fujitsu or Ricoh SCSI scanners
on HP 700 workstations. Does any third-party company provide drivers and
software to connect these scanners to HP 700s? 


Thanks in advance
 

Michael
From: hstroyan@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Howard Stroyan)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:14:07 GMT
Subject: Re: colormap
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, unniks@mcc.com (C. Unnikrishnan) writes:

> it seems like the hp's (750) colormap has the red and blue
> swapped.

At the risk of being the 42nd person to post a response ...

	...  Its a hardware problem :-)

	You most likely have the Red and Blue video cables
	swapped between the cpu(video card) and monitor(CRT).

--
Howard Stroyan                                         
Hewlett-Packard                                        hstroyan@fc.hp.com
User Interface Technology Division                     
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: stevej@hpc.mentorg.com (Steve Jumonville)
Subject: Re: dbx for HP-UX??
Originator: stevej@hpc.mentorg.com
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:27:31 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics 
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 


In article <2125@deadmin.ucsd.edu>, napier@cs.ucsd.edu (Jim Napier) writes:
|> A user at my site who's doing development work on an HP 9000/720 pointed out
|> to me that dbx doesn't seem to exist. Has it been replaced with some HP
|> proprietary debugging tool? Do I have to buy something that's meant to be
|> run under HP-VUE? Or can dbx for HP-UX 8.0.x be had somewhere? Thanks.

Searching the man pages for debuggers ('man -k debug'), on a 720 running HP-UX
8.07 returns:

  xdb(1)                  - C, FORTRAN, Pascal, and C++ Symbolic Debugger

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: wayne@backbone.uucp (Wayne Schlitt)
Subject: Re: HP and windows NT
Organization: The Backbone Cabal
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:04:47 GMT

In article <17780242@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> glen@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Glen Robinson) writes:
> 
> Wayne Schlitt) responds:
> 
> >	In article <yv9n1-=.mbk@netcom.com> mbk@netcom.com (Miles Kehoe) writes:
> >   > "By Tuesday of any given week, IBM will ship more DOS based PCs
> >   > than ALL the Unix systems EVER installed in the world."
> >   > 
> >   > I wouldn't be surprised if you could replace "DOS based" with
> >   > "Windows 3.x based" and still be right even today. 
> >   > 
> 
> >   well, I hate to be the one to surprise you, but I am sure that neither
> >   of the above statements are true anymore and depending on how you
> >   count things, I am not sure if they were ever true.
> 
> Well they could be.  I believe the installed base of DOS is above 100
> Million at present with GUI based systems in total < 10% of that number.
> 

No, the number of PC's that IBM ships in two days of production (what
I assume the "By Tuesday of any given week" phrase means) is most
certainly less than the "ALL the Unix systems EVER installed".  The
installed base of DOS has very little to do with how many DOS boxes
IBM produces in a day.


The number of Unix systems EVER installed is less than the installed
base of Unix systems.

The number of PC-compatible machines produced is less than the
installed base of MS-DOS systems.

From the market reports that I have read, the install base of Unix
machines is about the same as the production of all PC-compatible
machines in one year.  Therefor, the above quote is ridiculously false
and shouldn't be believed by anyone who thinks about it for a little
bit.


Remember that the "DOS install base" is very hard to calculate and
probably a fair amount lower than the 50-200 million often quoted.  It
is hard to tell how many machines are thrown away or left in the
closet.  Most PC-compatible machines are shipped with DOS (and thus
contribute to the "DOS installed base) even if the machines end up
being used for Unix, OS/2, or Novell servers.  (not to mention all the
other systems like cp/m-86, qnx, dr-dos, dedicated controllers,
etc...)


As I said, if you measure the number of users or the dollar volume
instead of just the number of machines, the quote may have never been
true.  (I don't have any figures from that far back so I don't know
for sure...)


Unix already HAS made it "BIG TIME".  The question is whither the people
making unix systems will ever get it to the point that it can make it
"BIG TIME" on the desktop.  (or in the mainframe world, or on the shop
floor, or...)



-wayne
From: neal@ctd.comsat.com (Neal Becker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: GNU Emacs on HP9000/370 with shared libs?
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:43:22 GMT
Organization: COMSAT Labs
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In-reply-to: rogerg@bluemoon.rn.com's message of 1 Oct 92 16:33:00 GMT
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In article <P65yRB1w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> rogerg@bluemoon.rn.com
(Roger Grywalski) writes:

   Has anyone got Emacs to run on an HP9000/370 with shared libraries.
   There is a blurb in s-hpux8.h as followsL /* Don't use shared
   libraries.  unexec doesn't handle them.  */ Well I don't have
   access the the archive versions of the X libraries so I was
   wondering what I might do?  Any help would be great!  Thanks...

Yes!  Before 18.58 I made 18.57 run this way.  I'm not sure I remember
all the details but basically you must:

1) #define CANNOT_DUMP

2) Don't link in unexecxxx.o

Actually this is a very reasonable thing to do, since the executable
is much smaller.  On my 720, you don't need to use unexec with emacs!
It loads up the lisp code in about 5 seconds!!  In fact, I was
considering trying to convince FSF to make this the default.

You can get shared libs from hpcvaaz.cv.hp.com (I think).

PS: I didn't get this to work (yet) with lucid-emacs 19.3.
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy))
Subject: Re: GNU Emacs for HP-UX
In-reply-to: atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil's message of 29 Sep 92 14:59:39 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA
Distribution: na
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:41:49 GMT

You can also get HP-UX tested sources/binaries/etc from ftp.cs.liv.uk.

--
Hardy 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: mdg@netcom.Netcom.COM (Mark Grand)
Subject: Distribution Media
Organization: Premenos
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:52:39 GMT

The company that I work for has recently ported a software product
that it sells (an EDI translator) to the HP 9000 / 8xx series.  We are
new to this line of machines and not sure which distribution media we
should support.

E-Mail on this topic would be appreciated.  I will summarize to the
net if there are any requests tht I do so.
--
Mark Grand
Premenos Corporation                510-602-2036 x2073
1000 Burnett, Second Floor          mark@premenos.sf.ca.us
Concord, CA   94520
-- 
Mark Grand
Premenos Corporation                510-602-2036 x2073
1000 Burnett, Second Floor          mark@premenos.sf.ca.us
Concord, CA   94520
From: bsb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Brett Baumberger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: HP Scanjet 2c -- HP 9000/700
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:47:43 GMT
Organization: the HP Response Center, Atlanta

Hi,

I have a Scanjet IIC connected to my 750; I don't see why a 720/730 wouldn't
be possible.

Brett

*my opinions only*
From: martelli@cadlab.sublink.org (Alex Martelli)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: hpterm survey
Keywords: emulators
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:14:07 GMT
Organization: CAD.LAB S.p.A., Bologna, Italia

xm9@sdcc12.ucsd.edu (richard g. adair) writes:

:In article <1992Sep28.173159.22849@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> hpterm-feedback@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com writes:
:
:I don't use HPTERM, since it doesn't work on our Suns.  XTERM works
:everywhere, SUN DEC HP etc...

HEAR HEAR!!!  Down with proprietary unportable kludges!  Up with portable
kludges!-) [no, seriously, I answered the same way.  standard is better
than better, REALLY, for poor guys like us struggling to support/use/
administer a dozen different platforms...]
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: "John Morey" <p00103@mail.psi.net>
Subject: GNU Emacs for HP-UX
Organization: Hitachi Telecom
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:06:46 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.11)

I have not been able to get GNU Emacs to work on a HP730 that we have as 
a demo unit from HP.  Could someone please tell me how I can find out what
I need to do to get Emacs running on HP-UX.  


Thanks.
From: fred@cv.ruu.nl (Fred Appelman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Does HP support POSIX.1 ?
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:45:57 GMT
Organization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group

In <1992Sep29.163615.14752@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> system@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (System Admin (Mike Peterson)) writes:

>But, it is for the better? 'df' and 'ps' are next to useless on SysV;
>the BSD versions actually display something useful, with
>options to select/deselect useful subsets of the full display.

Try 'bdf' for a change. What options do you use when you exec 'ps'. I usually
use 'ps -ef' and the output is good enough for me.

	Fred
From: bsb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Brett Baumberger)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 13:13:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Diskless protocol and SoftPC.
Organization: the HP Response Center, Atlanta
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

Hi Tor,

I am not sure that diskless protocol is the heart of your problem. Windows
3.1 isn't *officially* supported on SoftPC 3.0, but here's some things
I've learned to keep things going.

   1.  Remove smartdrv.  No need to buffer your disk accesses; this actually
       slows softpc down.

   2.  If crashing is a problem, remove DOS=HIGH from config.sys. SoftPC
       generally behaves better this way.

   3.  If there is a share.exe in autoexec.bat, remove it.

   4.  If none of the above help, set an evironment variable:

            SPCTURBO=OFF

Let me know if this helps or not.

Brett Baumberger
SoftPC Support

Xref: sparky comp.sys.hp:11103 comp.unix.aix:10213 comp.terminals:1177
From: sigurtho@kerfi.hi.is (Sigurdur Thorarinsson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.unix.aix,comp.terminals
Subject: Information on 21" or bigger monitors.
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:27:30 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.hp


I'm looking for a 21" or bigger color monitor for HP 9000/300 and 700,
and IBM RS6000 workstations.

Does anyone of you know of vendors supplying this product ?
Any recommendations ?

Thanks in advance,

	Sigurdur Thorarinsson
	Engineering Research Institute,
	University of Iceland
	sigurtho@kerfi.hi.is
From: steve-t@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Steve Taylor)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:19:13 GMT
Subject: Re: xhpcalc for s700/s800
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, chris@bwilab3.UUCP (Chris Curtin) writes:
| I am looking for a copy of xhpcalc for the s700 and s800 series 9000s.
| I have looked in the InterWorks posting and the Liverpool posting and
| did not see what I need.

You won't find it there because xhpcalc is part of the HP-UX product set.
It's in the IGNITION fileset, last I looked.

| I caught the tail end of a thread last week about support for 12C/16C's
| also.  If someone could point me to where those calcs are ....

xhpcalc does (apparently) 11C, 12C and 16C, just click on the logo in the
upper right corner to cycle through the various emulations.

						Regards, Steve taylor

NOT A STATEMENT, OFFICIAL OR OTHERWISE, OF THE HEWLETT-PACKARD COMPANY.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Subject: Re: Distribution Media
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:54:09 GMT
Distribution: comp
Reply-To: rjn@FC.HP.COM
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL6]

Mark Grand (mdg@netcom.Netcom.COM) wrote:
> The company that I work for has recently ported a software product
> that it sells (an EDI translator) to the HP 9000 / 8xx series.  We are
> new to this line of machines and not sure which distribution media we
> should support.

A new edition of the "Distribution Media Guidebook for Value-Added
Suppliers" will be available shortly.  This document is for Workstations
(300, 400, 700) only, but does contain information of interest to multi-user
(800) software suppliers.  I do not know if there is an equivalent document
for the 800.

The MediaGuide does not have a part/pub number.  It is available in HP-PCL
or PostScript download form.  Send me email to register for a copy (via
email shar).  Please indicate preferred printer command language.  HP sites
may also request HP-TAG source.

> E-Mail on this topic would be appreciated. 

Also sent response via email.

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
Bob Niland      Internet: rjn@FC.HP.COM               3404 East Harmony Road
                CompuServe:  71044,2124               Ft Collins CO 80525-9599
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: vic@class.gsfc.nasa.gov (James V. Ryan (Vic))
Subject: Re: /etc/hosts and name servers...
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 11:25:11 GMT

cricket@winnie.corp.hp.com (Cricket Liu) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.153221.5779@nrcnet0.nrc.ca>, cantin@nrccsb3.di.nrc.ca (Claude Cantin) writes:
>|> How does one set up /etc/resolv.conf to check "/etc/hosts" BEFORE checking
>|> the name server? 
>|> On SGI's, the line "hostresorder local bind" in resolv.conf does the trick. 
>|> On the SUN's, we had to rebuild some shared library.  How is it done on the
>|> HP's??? We running HP-UX 8.07 on a 710.

>I'm afraid you can't.  HP's resolver only falls back to /etc/hosts *after*
>querying a name server, and only if there's only one name server listed in
>resolv.conf.

I realy think that this should be a enhancement request for a number of reasons

1. If it was a option to set the order of search then a lot of packets could 
   be kept off the lans for local ribs by not querying the nameserver for 
   the address of the workstation on the next desk or in the next room.
2. If the nameserver is down, you won't have a long timeout wait for the switch
   to the secondary nameserver (if in etc/resolv.conf) or then check etc/hosts
   if only one entry.
3. There are times that our nameserver is very busy and I wait many seconds
   for a response just to get to a local address. This could just be milli-
   seconds if I had the option to query etc/hosts for known address first.

Is there a net address that enhancement requests could be submitted to 
within H.P.? 

If not, there is a group within Interex, the System Improvement Comm. (SIC)
that should consider providing one. As a member of said committee I will
bring it up with them if one is not available from H.P.
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From: mike@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Mike Croom)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1992 09:42:07 GMT
Subject: Re: nailing port
Organization: HP PSO - London, England
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

You can now do it on the newer HP DTC but I don't believe you can on the
TS8.

The opinions etc ...

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From: hstroyan@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Howard Stroyan)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:41:08 GMT
Subject: Re: "Stereo" socket in HP9000/720 (was Re: HP9000/720 and audio/sound)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: bcripe@hpcvusc (Brian E. Cripe)
Subject: Re: VUE "Invalid accelerator" and other error messages
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:33:30 GMT

> Tue Sep 22 13:48:10 1992
> vuefile: Unable to save default home settings file, will use default next session.
> 
>   [ENOENT] No such file or directory

This message can safely be ignored.  It is telling you (unnecessarily
and poorly) that you have never done a 'Save Settings' in your File
Manager to save your own personal File Manager configuration.  If you
want to eliminate it, do a 'View ... Save Settings' from a home
directory view and an applications view.

	Brian Cripe
From: stewart@geophysics.harvard.edu (Cheryl Stewart)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Need Info on HP 7xx series
Keywords: HP compatibility sun nfs ppp slip snmp
Date: 27 Sep 92 01:40:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Sep27.014004.24364
Reply-To: stewart@geophysics.harvard.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dept. of Earth & Planetary Sciences, Harvard University

I am looking into purchasing an HP for numerical modelling,
but am concerned about compatibility issues:

specifically, I would like to run NFS transparently with Suns,
also would probably need to run ppp and snmp on a local area
network, and to be able to compile and run a variety of X11R5
clients with relatively little hassle.  

From reading some of the entries in this group, this seems to
be the weakest point of the HP-UX system, although for raw 
MFLOPS I agree, HPs really can't be beat in this price range.

If anyone has extensive experience getting HPs to run in a 
primarily Sun/X-windows environment, and would like to share
their worst horror stories with me, this is really what I'm
interested in:  Tales of Terror.  

In addition to lots of numerics, I need to run things like
NCAR graphics, maple, latex, etc.

Thanks in advance,

Cheryl
From: kinsell@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dave Kinsell)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 01:38:13 GMT
Subject: Re: HP Scanjet 2c -- HP 9000/700
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, kniveton@zeus.swindon.rtsg.mot.com (Andy Kniveton) writes:

> 
> HP are telling me the HP Scanjet 2c is a SCSI device and Tetra Systems Inc are
> telling me its a parallel device.
>

It uses a SCSI interface chip, but does not follow the SCSI protocol for
scanners.  It really shouldn't be referred to as SCSI.  Its design center
was for use with a dedicated interface to a PC.

Dave Kinsell
kinsell@hpfcmb.fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: a-n@nwu.edu (A. Natarajan)
Subject: Cron question
Summary: Why does cron act this way?
Originator: axn@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Keywords: cron
Reply-To: a-n@nwu.edu (A. Natarajan)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL 60208
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 13:49:06 GMT

HP 9000/750 - HP-UX 8.05

One line in a crontab file reads as follows:

59 23 31 * * /some/user/script

Obviously, this script was not executed at 23:59 on September 30th, but I
was surprised to see from the cron log file that the script was actually
executed on October 2, at 23:59.

I can understand (but not approve) it if the script had been executed on
October 1 at 23:59 (what the computer believes to be "September 31"), but
why should cron run the script on October 2 instead?

I have read the man pages, and I am unsure if there is some way to specify
the original intent, i.e. execute the script on the last day of the month.
Something like:

59 23 -1 * * /some/user/script

Any pointers?

Ashok

[This probably ought to be posted to comp.unix.questions, but I wanted to
parade my ignorance before a more select (and I hope, a more forgiving)
group :-) ]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: XtAppAddActions Problems With X11R4
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:41:56 GMT

Bill Turner (bturner@hpcvusc) writes:

> > We have a large-ish Motif-based application which makes liberal use of the 
> > XtAppAddActions call to add app-specific actions to several of the widgets 
> > we use. We also define translations for those widgets which refer to those 
> > actions. When we pop up the first window that has such translations, we get 
> > messages like:
> > 
> >     Warning: Action MyAction1 not found
> > 
> > or words to that effect. And, of course, the translations do nothing. 
> > 
> > We are running HP-UX 8.07, and are linking with the /usr/lib/X11R4 and 
> > /usr/lib/Motif1.1 libraries.

> There was an optimization that was done, when calling XtAppAddActions
> the action table is compiled in situ, overwriting the definitions
> passed in.  The standard MIT code makes a copy of the action table and
> compiles that.  If the same action table is used for multiple calls to
> XtAppAddActions, then you see the problem described above.

Yikes! We call XtAppAddActions one action at a time from a subroutine. The
XtActionsRec structure is defined locally on the stack, and so is quite
evanescent. You're saying that your Xt expects to find the compiled actions
still sitting in that chunk of memory? Hoo boy - quite the optimistic
optimization!


> WORKAROUND: rather than having a single action table passed to multiple
> XtAppAddActions, have multiple copies (ugh.).

Not all the world defines their actions in a big static struct. Some folks 
out here write dynamic programs that can't predict what requests will 
occur. What you're saying is that we have to allocate memory for each 
XtActionsRec we want to use, and never mess with that memory again. Ugly.


> For R5, the action table is copied before compiling, so the problem
> doesn't occur.

How about a fix for X11R4?


    Marc San Soucie
    Servio Corporation
    Beaverton, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com