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From: trljim@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (JIM SONNENMEIER)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Logo
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:58:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <67501@hydra.gatech.EDU>, sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P) writes...
>Dave has a good idea here. Meaning a logo of some type for us 
>rec.kites types. It should incorporate a computer of some type,
>or maybe a floopy disk, and a kite. How about a delta on
>a background of a 5 1/4" floppy? And make it colorful.
> 
>If we want to do just one logo/pin, we'll probably have to send
>sketches back and forth in the mail to arrive at a design. It would
>be nice to have a few people in on the development to not only 
>help with the design, but help with the cost. A run of 100 pins
>will cost what a really good sport kite will run. 
> 
>If nobody volunteers to do the design, then maybe some entrepeneurial
>type will take it on themselves to design and produce the pin 
>individually. If so, let us know. (Yeah, I collect a little bit
>and have my custom pins also so I know about the expense and time it
>take, about 2 months min.)
> 
>Anyway, if anybody wants to form a committee perish the thought) to pursue
>this, drop me a line, I'm up for it.
> 
>PS: Anybody going to Lubbock? If so, lets plan on a get together over
>there some time.
> 
>-- 
> 
>The Mad Hata  
> 
>"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"


a fellow grad student was wearing a tee shirt for the 'Internet World Tour 
-hackers for Jesus' some guys appearently organized this spoof on the 
network and are selling the shirts ... similar thing here perhaps???
                ^^^^^^^
             ummm i don't know this for sure becuse that would likely
violate the 'no commercial use of internet' rule


Jim
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: danr@crash.cts.com (Dan Rubesh)
Subject: Re: Kite Tails
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 03 Sep 92 20:18:37 PDT

In article <1992Aug31.195055.4148@clsi.COM> kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron) writes:
>
>I asked my local kite shop if they had "aluminized" mylar strip I could use for

>a kite tail, and was informed that it was illegal (because some idiot flew one
>into some power lines and started a big fire in California). Does anyone know:
>
>a) Is it illegal to fly with "aluminized" mylar tails - or just illegeal for
>   the kite makers to sell it.
>
>b) Where I can get something equivalent.
>
>Thanks in advance,


Back in the dark ages of data processing, long before magnetic media
and hard disks, computers stored information on punched paper tape,
7/8 " wide, that came in rolls of 1000+ feet, as I recall.. This
technology bled over into the manufacturing environment to feed
information to Numerical Control machines and stayed around till the
mid to late 70's.. For programs that would take > 50 passes or so thru
the reader on the machine, we'd use mylar and/or metalized mylar tape
as it had a far better life span than the paper variety.. I _think_
I've still got some of that dinosaur media left over from the time
that I spent programming the old hardwired N/C machines.. [ yeah, I
still speak a little EIA and ASCII, too..:-) ] I can also dig up a
source for the mylar tape, or furnish some small quantities if you'd
like to drop me email..

Good Winds and Tight Lines!!

                             Wind Wizard

Purveyor of High Quality, High Performance Stunt Kites and Accessories 
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne)
Subject: Vrouwenpolder - European Cup 92
Organisation: STACK Finland
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 19:18:26 GMT

I am going to European Cup in Netherlands next week.
If any of you are around, please come to say hi.
I will fly plain white deltas with a chain of red or
blue dots. - How do I know in advance which kite I'll
fly? I just have a range of them for different winds:-)

Smooth Winds
Simo Salanne
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: SPIDER WING KITES
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:21:29 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <189.1615.uupcb@spacebbs.com> allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards) writes:
>

(text deleted)

>Also, as long as you have read this far how about some folks
>opinions of what the perfect kite is (and I know that is asking
>for trouble but it may start some interesting discussions).
>                                          

There is no such thing as the perfect kite. Whether single, dual, tri
or quad, it's all subjective. We all have our favorites, but perfect?

Until God makes one, won't be no such thing.

 
-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: mbb7582@zeus.tamu.edu (DEmon, CEO of Hell.)
Subject: Re: Kite Tails
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 06:52:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.195055.4148@clsi.COM>, kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron) writes...
> 
>I asked my local kite shop if they had "aluminized" mylar strip I could use for
>a kite tail, and was informed that it was illegal (because some idiot flew one
>into some power lines and started a big fire in California). Does anyone know:

As I recall from previous discussions of FAA regulations,
the FAA requires a certain amount of aluminized mylar in 
all kites being flown past a certain altitude.  Sounds 
like the usual bureaucratic wire cross to me.

	MikeBarrett.

p.s.  I used to keep the faq, and then I passed it on to someone
	else when I left for summer.  Where'd it go?  Does anyone
	have a copy? I no longer have a copy of the faq. :(
From: jma@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Kite festivals in Florida?
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:30:34 -0500

Hi:
I'm new in this bussines (kites, not computers), as a matter of fact
I'm just getting interested.  Is there any kite festival in Florida?
Can any send me this information?
	Thank ya'll in advance

Julio
jma@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: a rec.kites logo
From: guip@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:44:30 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

In article <15248@umd5.umd.edu>, jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) writes:
 
> Dave Butler, in a wonderful summary of the Long Beach festival... [edited]

I agree; made me angry that I didn't go. I guess it was the
money/transportation/time excuse :-(
 

>[edited-about logo] so we folks can identify each other at big (or little!)
>events and I think that's a great idea.  I'm not really sure what it should 
>be (perhaps  a computer on a kite line (or two)?)....

How about the @ symbol (like the sci.???) except have a delta kite at the
center, surrounded by a kite tail {I'm obsessed with kite tails for some
reason 8-)} (googly eyed look)
      or
How about we all wear postits (tm), the yellow ones sticky paper pads.  Since
we all have a need to "POST IT" (grin, stupid joke, I know)

> On the other hand, though, whether we have some way of doing something on
> name tags, a pin, or whatever, it's still tough to find folks, especially at
> big festivals.  In such situations, it might be a nice idea to plan out
> a meeting time/place.

[edited for no known reason...]
 
> For instance--are any of you going to be at SunFest '92 in 3 weeks?  This is
> a 5 day festival in Ocean City, MD that's always great fun.  

The old money/transportation/time excuse applies here, DAMN- how about
a 'fest in my backyard?

On the topic of planning a meeting time/place....
There probably be a posting of the 'Fest comming up, and some sort of 
meeting place mentioned- maybe a local kite shop (originally I said McDonalds,
but with further thought, How many Mcdonalds are in Ocean City!?) with a map 
posted or something to that effect. 

> Jeff
 
Seriously though-  The whole idea of a logo is great, and I am all for it...

Paul-the-I-wanna-peel-anda-rev-anda...guy

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Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: dave@pipi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (David Wuertele)
Subject: Re: Kite Tail Tales (Was: Re: Kite Tails)
Organization: Institute of Industrial Science, University of tokyo.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:13:20 GMT

I saw an article in a really old Scientific American about simple kites,
and there was a sketch of a kite tail made by stringing together paper
cups with the bottoms cut out.  Apparently this has more lift than
streamers, while providing the same directional stability.  Has anybody
out there tried this?

Dave
-----
David Wuertele, Yasuda Lab, Electronic Engineering, Institute of Industrial Science,
University of Tokyo.				dave@windsor.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne)
Subject: Re: Lenkdrachen zum Nachbauen
Organisation: STACK Finland
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 19:25:02 GMT

In <1992Sep3.170349.7247@engage.pko.dec.com> e_splett@kaofs.enet.dec.com (Evan Splett) writes:
>I just ran across a reference to a book titled: 
>Lenkdrachen zum Nachbauen, by Thomas Erfruth and Harald Schlitzer,
>Englisch Verlag 1989. 
>Apparently it contains construction plans. Has anyone read it ?

I'll probably will meet Thomas next week. I may ask about
the book. Thomas is the designer of the Speedwing, but
for commercial reasons he probably won't publish it's design.
(Speedwing design is published in some other  book, I can't
remember).

Smooth Winds
Simo Salanne
From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: First Competition
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:57:35 GMT
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Organisation: STACK Finland

In <87005@netnews.upenn.edu> tfarring@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mr. A. Pemberton Trammel Snipe-Treadwater IV) writes:


>	I am going to compete in my first stunt kite competition (Sandy Hook).
>Is there anything I should know? Also I am 13 but a reasonably experienced
>flier.  Should I startin Intermediate?  Also where can I get the AKA book of
>precision manueves?
>thanks,
>TIm Farrington

First time... is always an experience.

I was over 40... started on the ...
European Cup 1990, experienced, 
scored ... 1st on precision and ballet.

Since that it has been not so easy...

If you don't know your precision figures,
I cannot help you.

Ballet, just go and fly, forget the audience,
fly as you feel - it works!!

Smooth Winds
Simo Salanne
STACK, Finland
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: salanne@convex.csc.FI (Simo Salanne)
Subject: Re: logo
Organisation: STACK Finland
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 19:12:17 GMT

I liked the idea of logo having  @ (at sign) as a basic
symbol. For me @ means very much Internet addressing -
I never need @ anywhere else. I did some playing with
new MS-Windows version of FrameMaker and as result
I got an suggestion for the complicated logo. It can
be simplified. It contains horizontally streched @.
In the inner circle there is a map of world. There is
a narrow gap from the inner circle, trough it comes
a thin line which ends to diamond kite with a tail.

The postscript file is about 180 KB, so I did not
send it directly to rec.kites, saving the bandwidth.
Depending on the interest for my suggestion, I will
either mail it to requestors or post it to rec.kites.

I tried to send this message already once, but havent
seen it when reading news. Forgive me if this is a
needless reposting.

Smooth Winds
Simo Salanne

P.S. I'll be next week in Netherlands flying in the
     European Cup. I will have this logo on my yellow
     kite tube. Please come to say hello if some of
     you are there.
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Power Kiting/Man Lifting
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:35:45 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug24.171153.9018@mprgate.mpr.ca> brace@@O@O (Jeff Brace) writes:
>
>There was a Man Lifting Demonstration that was very impressive.
>
>This was the first time that the AKA permitted the man lifting to be 
>associated with the festival.
>
Sounds like it would have been a great thing to witness. Its interesting
that you mentioned the AKA as they were supposed to have a man lifting
demonstration at RiverBreezes '91, but it got rained out (like just
about everything else!). That demostration was supposed to have used 
Cody's instead of flexi's.

In any case, I'm glad to see that the AKA is finally beginning to face
the music, so to speak, and acknowledge that man lifting, in all 
forms (sport vs. single line kites) is here. Only by acknowledging
it and considering it can the AKA hope to influence this growing
sport.



-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
From: mss@endor.uucp (Marty Sasaki)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: First Competition
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:23:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Sep1.152352.23073
Organization: Sasaki Kite Fabrications

In order to compete in most stunt kite competitions in the USA you
need to be a member of the American Kitefliers Association.  The
AKA/STACK rule book can be purchased from the AKA and from many kite
shops.


  Marty Sasaki				mss@das.harvard.edu
  Sasaki Kite Fabrications
  26 Green Street
  Jamaica Plain, MA 02130
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: a rec.kites logo
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:10:14 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park


Dave Butler, in a wonderful summary of the Long Beach festival (someday
I'll make it up there!) posits a need for some sort of recognizable item
so we folks can identify each other at big (or little!) events and I
think that's a great idea.  I'm not really sure what it should be (perhaps
a computer on a kite line (or two)?).  If we manage to come up with something,
perhaps we can even do something like a limited edition cloisine pin.  
(yes, I collect 'em too...)

On the other hand, though, whether we have some way of doing something on
name tags, a pin, or whatever, it's still tough to find folks, especially at
big festivals.  In such situations, it might be a nice idea to plan out
a meeting time/place.


For instance--are any of you going to be at SunFest '92 in 3 weeks?  This is
a 5 day festival in Ocean City, MD that's always great fun.  This will be
the 11th annual kite festival (SunFest itself is a end-of-season non-kite
festival put on by the city of OC; the Kite Loft started it's own coincident
festival back in 81).  If anybody's planning to be there, I'd like to plan 
somewhere to get together.  Or at least give folks an idea of where I can be
found...  let me know!

So what are other folks' thoughts on the logo issue?


Jeff
-- 
|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |
From: burk_k@paun01.pa.msu.edu (Ken Burk (winsauer))
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: RE: SPIDER WING KITES
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:09:40 GMT
Reply-To: burk_k@paun01.pa.msu.edu (Ken Burk (winsauer))
Organization: Michigan State University


>I also just got a new kite, a
>Skyburner, so I think I will give the Spider Wing to my son,


If you like the skyburner, you should try to get your hands on a
Phantom.  Skyburners are a very slight modification to the Phantom
but have one distinct advantage, no import fees.
From: allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: RE: SPIDER WING KITES
Date: 4 Sep 92 06:04:00 GMT
Reply-To: allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards)
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193

Thanks for the reply.  I followed the first sentence but admit that
I may be the only one.  I have several kites by now.  I am interested
in adding sails...   Is that better?  I have had several replies as
well and thank everyone who has taken the time to reply.  I find
it interesting that noone has said they have a Spider Wing IV even
though the store said it was the second most popular sail.  Maybe
I will just post a note asking for opinions on a great high wind
kite.  Cheers

Allen
                      
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: jlovell@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (James E. J. Lovell)
Subject: Thanks: Advice on buying a Rev.
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:50:46 GMT

  Firstly, thanks to everyone who send me advice on buying a Rev.
After a bit of thought I decided on getting a Rev II expecting to
have a tough time learning how to fly it. I asked a friend in 
Pasadena to pick one up for me; it's the `hot rainbow' (yellow,
orange, red) and comes with lines, handles, crazy 8 winder,
instruction book and video - all for $US 199.34 (including tax)
which is around $AUS 280.00. As a comparison, a _standard_ Rev
II (one colour) bought here costs around $AUS 340.00

  It arrives here in 2 weeks when my friend gets back from
America - hope he doesn't have too much trouble with airport
security! :-)

Cheers,
Jim

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Lovell
Physics Dept., University of Tasmania, Australia
email: jlovell@physvax.phys.utas.edu.au
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From: allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: HIGH WIND KITES
Date: 4 Sep 92 06:10:00 GMT
Reply-To: allen.edwards@spacebbs.com (Allen Edwards)
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193

I am interested in seeing some opinions expressed about what kites
are good in high winds.  The situation is:  you are out flying
your favorate kite and the wind gets up to 20 to 30 and your
kite starts to ... (chatter,  pull you around,  crash too hard, etc)
So you reach into your bag and out comes the perfect kite for high
winds, your ________.  Please share your thoughts as this is the
situation I would like to be in (having a high wind kite that
other people have proven works great in that situation).

Opinions on the best low wind kite may also be of interest to some
and with the kind of winter wind we get here is probably the
question I should be asking as well.

Thanks in advance :^)   Allen
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Kite Tail Tales (Was: Re: Kite Tails)
From: guip@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:07:18 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

Kite tails....

Well, I thought I would post some questions/comments/experiences that I have
had with kite tails....

Now I am one who doesn't like to spend money on tails made specifically for
kite flying, so I tend to use things I found around the house; some with
moderate success and others complete failures (i.e. looks really stupid).

Here is what I found out: (comments on other attempts would be appreciated)

1.  Flag tape (the non-sticky tape used for marking off lawn/construction
boundaries)  It is relatively light weight, comes in bright florescent colors,
and follows the kite fairly well.  However, it tends to curl-up on itself
rendering it somewhat of a brightly colored string hard to be seen. Its great
the first couple of minutes.....

2.  Crepe paper:  Very light weight, bright colors, follows kite well.  This
stuff however can tear easily if you are not careful, and if it is humid it
will absorb water, making it heavier.  It didn't seem to curl up as did the
flag tape.  I liked using it.  BTW, probably can only be used a couple of times
before it falls apart in your hand. Besides that, I liked its dynamics.

3.  Video Tape:  Well, I had this great idea (huh?) one day.  I had a trashy
video tape laying in the closet.... Well, I cut it and used about 2000-3000
feet of the tape (yes, there were no power lines around, and no people behind
the kite, and no storms or airplanes to get hit with).  The guy with me liked
it for two reasons:  it sparkled, and it was long.  I thought it was too thin
and dark, but I did like the length-this huge strip of tape in the air.  
This tape is very light, and it follows the kite OK (short & long)- I probably
won't use it again- it takes to long to roll up. :-)

4. Kite Store Tail (soft plastic):  I am talking about the one that is manufac-
tured like a tube... I think it is made this way to keep it from curling up on
itself--well,
it just seems too stiff to me.  A friend of mine had it on his kite, and it
looked like @#$#.  Maybe it was his flying, I don't know...

5. Mylar- I have no experience with this sort of tail- (maybe likened to video
tape) to me, it seems like it
will have "kinked" dynamics- not actually performing a smooth loop-I DON'T
KNOW.

So, if you have tried something, and it works- and it could be used over & over
again, and it follows the kite well, let me know.  

Does the tubular "Kite shop tail" follow the kite well?    

What about that material that the gymnast uses (the stick and ribbon thing?)
What is it, is it expensive, is it, could it be....mylar (OH NO! -mr. Bill)

Thanks for your time...
Paul-the-guy-who-wants-a-peel-anda-Rev-anda-....
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: logo
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:56:26 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park


I like Dave Butler's idea of a simple logo for ID purposes and a complex
one for anything else.  Though I have to ay I'd *much* prefer something 
like "r.k" to "RK" (which is too much like a generic Someone's initials).

There's one obvious idea for a complex logo which I haven't seen suggested
yet--a variety of kites displayed on a monitor.

Jeff


-- 
|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |
From: kevin@clsi.COM (Kevin Cameron)
Subject: Kite Tails
Originator: kevin@dubhe
Organization: CAD Language Systems Inc.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:50:55 GMT


I asked my local kite shop if they had "aluminized" mylar strip I could use for
a kite tail, and was informed that it was illegal (because some idiot flew one
into some power lines and started a big fire in California). Does anyone know:

a) Is it illegal to fly with "aluminized" mylar tails - or just illegeal for
   the kite makers to sell it.

b) Where I can get something equivalent.

Thanks in advance,
Kev.



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