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From: dgoodin@pyrtech.pyramid.com (Dianna Goodin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Sources of Used/Antique Medical Equipment
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:20:37 GMT
Reply-To: dgoodin@pyrtech.pyramid.com (Dianna Goodin)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <14361@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>After reading some of the recent posts here, I may want to have
>a couple of people lobotomized.  Let me know if you find them.
>
So Gordon, 
    Since no one has time to talk about something of interest to you, why
don't you post something to educate the rest of us?

Dianna
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Causing breasts to lactate
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 05:54:57 GMT

In article <9204150517.AA23201@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> fortmapl@UDAVXB.OCA.UDAYTON.EDU ("Paul Fortman : free spirit") writes:
>Is it possible for a man's breast to lactate?

There can be endocrine derangements which cause a man's breasts to
enlarge (gynecomastia) or to exude fluid (galactorrhea), but basically,
a normal man's breasts don't have the "right stuff" to support lactation:
the mammary tissue is not sufficiently developed.  

I suppose with appropriate exogenous administration of female sex and
other hormones, over enough time, it might be possible, but you
wouldn't be dealing with a "man's breast" at that point, would you?
The hormones necessary to produce this would wreak havoc with the
man's libido, potency and secondary sex characteristics.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Suicide prevention; what next?
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:33:39 GMT
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <44900@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
}In article <1992Apr11.012904.967@gumby.dsd.trw.com> suhre@meltami.dsd.trw.com (Maurice E. Suhre) writes:
}>In article <44802@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
}>>He was a reformed alcoholic,
} 	      ^^^^^^^^

}>... the term should be
}>"recovered" or "recovering".  ...

}I maintain that my use of the English language is correct and more 
}descriptive.  ...

If you're going to debate semantic nits, the most appropriate term is
probably "remission." Alcoholics do not reform or recover.  They do go
into remission for varying periods (some for life).

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@soldev.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405 {rutgers|pyramid|philabs|psivax}!ttidca!hollombe
Xref: sparky sci.med:8614 sci.electronics:8488
From: cfm2h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Christopher Mullins)
Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Need help with O2, HR and RR monitor
Keywords: monitor, oximeter
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:37:15 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Apr14.054449.17190@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> btbg1194@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bradley T Banko) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.175943.11434@coe.montana.edu> ieeu0026@cs.montana.edu (Blaine Kubesh) writes:
>>
>>I am building for a design project an infant monitor. The monitor will
>>be driven using a Motorola 68HC11 mocrocontroller. I need to sense
>>three vitals.. 
>>	1)	Heart rate
>>	2)	blood SaO2
>>	3)	Respiration rate
>
>for respiration, monitor the heart rate and fourier transform it over a period
>of several beats... wouldn't be "real" time (maybe a minute or so behind), but
>the respiration will superimpose a slow component on the heart rate.

  The 68HC11 probably wouldn't be able to do the FFT fast enough- you would
need a DSP chip.

Chris Mullins
cfm2h@virginia.edu
From: time@coos.dartmouth.edu (Susan M. Kennedy)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Thanks to monsanto poster
Keywords: amiltryptiline
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:09:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


 Sorry to post this to the entire group, but I bungled the reply through email
and then lost your address. Anyway thankyou for the answer to the
amiltryptiline question. I'm going to check out that issue on "Drugs" today.

Susan
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Is baloon angioplasty safe?
From: km@speedy.cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:21:31 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr06.164520.22382@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
>The subject operation is risky, it has never been shown to benefit the
>patient, and it has generally fallen into disfavor with the medical
>community.

Hmm. I have a close relative who does not agree. This person came to
the hospital with unstable angina and a 95% proximal LAD lesion. The
angioplasty was very successful and much simpler than single-vessel
coronary artery bypass graft (CABG) which would have cost several
times as much. Long-term success is another question, and I am
certainly not up on all the latest regarding angioplasty. Like
anything else, angioplasty is not for everyone, and is for very
specific indications, i.e. single, accessable lesion in a patient
with otherwise clean vessels.

>The only motivation for doing it in the first place was that
>it is a very expensive procedure that insurance companies have been willing to
>pay for, and hence it is highly profitable to the cardiologist doing the
>procedure.

No doubt there are cardiologists doing unnecessary angioplasty, just
as there are cardio-thoracic surgeons doing unnecessary CABGs.
I happen to prefer medical therapy when possible - does that mean
it's because I make lots of money keeping people on drugs and
seeing them frequently rather than having them get surgery or
angioplasty? The fact that some people overdo a procedure does not
imply anything about the procedure itself. Believe it or not,
some physicians actually try to act in the patient's best interest.

 -km
From: fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Why allergies come in "attacks"?
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:58:22 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester

In article <700027@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com> davew@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller) writes:
>I am one of the approximately 11% of the population cursed with pollen
>allergies, and indeed I am one of the worst in my doctor's estimation.
>After a RAST blood screening it was determined that I am very allergic
>to about 20 different grass and tree pollens, recieving a score of 4 or

This is the important clue.

>Needless to say, I suffer horribly during the spring months. Yet, I note
>that my suffering seems to come in "attacks", with no apparent
>correlation to outside weather conditions many times. Of course, when
>the wind really kicks up, there is almost always a very bad day in store
>for me, regardless of what antihistimines I take.
>
>Anyhow, my question is this: Has any credible theory been put forth to
>explain why allergies such as mine can be completely debilitating one
>day, and almost unnoticable (relatively speaking, I always have a runny
>nose and some sneezing through the season) the next? Especially when,
>from all appearances, the weather conditions are identical?

Many plants flower and pollinate synchronously, including many grasses and
trees.  I'd bet that the first really warm day after a cold spell is bad
for you, because that is often the day that trees pollinate.  The next
day, pollination being done, you're better off unless the wind kicks up
and raises pollen-rich dust from the ground.  This is a classic pattern;
my allergist was able to guess I had pollen allergies just from this pattern
of attacks.

Sometimes a serious attack arises from just one noseful of pollen.  I've had
occasions in which I walked past a bunch of pines and started sneezing.
The sneezing continued for quite a while; going home, taking a hot shower,
and putting on new clothes helped tons.  I tossed, no, rather gently laid
the old clothes in the laundry right away.

One day when I was teaching in Gainesville, FL, I walked out in the morning
to find our car covered in a thick layer of yellow pollen.  Somewhere UF
has a videotape of me lecturing:

``Whed we udify these lit, lit, lit,..ah CHOO, honk, sniff, these two
literals we get the ebty ah CHOO clause ad we have proved the ah CHOO!''

All the best
-- 
Mark A. Fulk				Computer Science Department
fulk@cs.rochester.edu			University of Rochester
Omit needless words -- Strunk		Rochester, NY  14627
From: nn@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Nutrasweet
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:14:21 -0500

	Does anyone have info on effects caused  by Nutrasweet
(Phenylketonurics/phenylalanine).  I heard everything from giving people
headaches to association with altzhimer disease.


NN@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU
NN@IFASGNV.BITNET
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Cause of Abnormally Low Sodium Level?
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:36:09 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <92103.185749ICBAL@ASUACAD.BITNET> ICBAL@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
>Does anyone have any suggestions as to what could be causing an abnormally
>low sodium level?  (There has been no excessive sweating or dehydration,
>and all other standard blood tests are normal.)
>
Dehydration causes a high sodium level.
Depends on how low.  There are many causes, from drinking too
much water to alcoholism, to brain tumor.  Let your doctor
work it up, if it is low enough to be alarming to him/her.


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From: PINHEIRO@rhea.informatik.uni-bonn.de (Maria Pinheiro)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Using INTERFERON against hepatitis (?)
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:01:30 GMT
Organization: We're not very organized here...
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20




     Hello,


     I would like to have some informations about the use of Interferon
for treating hepatitis. Is it still being tested, or it is already being 
used on most pacients with hepatitis? How is it working? 
     What are the advantages/disadvantages in comparison to other drugs
used for treating hepatitis ( for example, corticoids ) ?

     I have an auto-innume hepatitis, and i'm being treated with
prednisolon and azathyoprin(sp?). But recently I've heard of people with 
cronic hepatitis being treated with interferon ( and  it wasn't
getting better).
     
     

   Maria

pinheiro@rhea.cs.bonn.edu
pinheiro@rhea.informatik.uni-bonn.de

 
     
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From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Newsgroups: sci.med,alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: selling organs
Date: 1 Apr 92 04:28:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr1.042803.20811
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA

In article <-phj6fk.ccat@netcom.com> ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) writes:
>..

>  The whole idea of organ selling etc. seems to me so ominous,
>I don't recall seeing them recently, but I have seen several posts on 
>soc.culture.china describing how this is institutionalized in China.
>(source Asia Watch org.) Lets hope it never happens here...

Well, aside from the obvious 'Chop Shop' and 'Body Bank' images this tends
to make crop up in one's head, I don't see what the problem is. I'm pretty
much all for it. I don't think that it should be manadatory, but I don't 
think it should be outlawed either. Hell, if somebody can get some use out 
of my carcass when I'm done with it, they're more than welcome to it.
(Just don't use it for an umbrella stand or ashtray or something horribly
cyberprep like that[and yes, I meant 'prep' and not punk]).

WRT 'mandatory recycling' and the whole 'body bank' concept:
This has been prominent in much SF, particularily the CyberPunk genre.
See things like Max Headroom, THX1138(Where the title character is sentenced
to death, but his lawyer manages to get a 'for consumption' rider attached to
his termination order so that he'll be recycled...it was supposed to be a 
face-saving[no pun intended], more honorable death than just being executed),
Vaccuum Flowers, Blade Runner, etc.

>I'm sure it will, though. A natural part of the progression of medical tech-
>nology in a society where the difference in the "value of life" between
>it's richest and poorest members is so great.

Its like the old C-punk saying:"Life is cheap, but death costs money. The
future is expendable and so aere you".

---Steve
-- 
Stephen Okay  sokay@mitre.org
"Welcome to the Politically Correct States of America. Please turn your mind
in to the nearest oppressed minority pressure group. It will be returned to
you once we've decided what you can think"
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Subject: Re: O2 a "prescription-only" drug?  Why?
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:20:16 GMT

In article <14355@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.154558@ddxrus.enet.dec.com> fgz@ddxrus.enet.dec.com (Federico Genoese-Zerbi) writes:
>>
>>New Hampshire and finished off the module fine.  Imagine my surprise
>>when I found out that in Massachusetts you need a prescription to
>>buy the stuff....
>>
>Tell them you are taking up welding.
>

Please imagine a smiley.

Breathing gases necessarily have purity requirements that industrial gases
don't.  I'm not sure about O2 in particular, but ask your local SCUBA shop.

The contaminant i would worry about is oil.  If i knew more about how
industrial O2 was made i would probably be able to figure out other
contaminants to worry about.

-dk
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re:    Flatulance
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:40:11 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Apr15.174344.16293@news.Hawaii.Edu> bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King) writes:
>In article <92104.141515RFLOOD@ESOC.BITNET> <RFLOOD@ESOC.BITNET> writes:
>>At what point does flatulance become recognised as a medical disorder ?
>
>	Given the way medicine is constantly expanding to
>	new areas one would expect medicine to define
>	such in medical terms, offer diagnosis and 
>	treatment. However such ought to be resisted,
>	for as the medicalization of western life grows
>	so too does medical expences, medical control, and
>	medical definitons of what once was normal.

Just the opposite is the case.  It is the ignorant public that
wants to make such things a medical problem and doctors who
are trying to tell them it is just a natural body function
and doesn't need any diagnosis or treatment.



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geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  to supply you with an understanding." -S.Johnson
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From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Get Prescription Drugs Without Prescription - Mail Order
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:41:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <44969@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:

>I also read the quoted article with great misgivings.  Now I am opposed
>to requiring prescriptions for drugs unless there are really major public
>health problems involved, so I disagree with the present law which would
>make it any more legal to give such drugs with medical approval than
>without, but I have stated many times that the manufacturer, purveyor,
>etc., of a chemical should be required to present adequate information
>about the known effects of the substance, and in particular the adverse
>effects.  
>
The manufacturer of Dilantin has made all of that well known.
We physicians are well aware of it.  Unfortunately, there are
people out there, as has been just demonstrated, who are such
idiots that they ignore all of these warnings, believing instead
something they read in some paperback or tabloid, and start
drugging their children.  This is reckless and harmful behavior,
and there are laws against it.

>But is the suggested use of these substances any less serious than the
>present procedures to keep bright children from learning?  Keeping

There is a proposed evil A, it is not worse than existing evil B.  Therefore
let's enact evil A also.  Great logic, Herman!

>remain attentive, is at least as bad.   I do not consider it any more
>appropriate to use mind-altering drugs under the supervision of a 
>physician than without such supervision, and especially not to allow
>physicians to make the decisions to use such drugs.
>
So let me get this straight.  It is just as appropriate to dose
a normal, healthy child with Dilantin, based on spurious
claims of benefit, than it is to control a child's
epilepsy with Dilantin under the direction of a physician?
Some children will have seizures daily and not be able to go
to school at all without Dilantin.  So we trade 5 points down on
their IQ and some hirsutism for being in an institution and
wearing a football helmet all the time.  
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Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "I have given you an argument; I am not obliged
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  to supply you with an understanding." -S.Johnson
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From: 11451742@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (CHRIS AXIARLIS)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Ingrown toenail operation! (Help all current/learning doctors!)
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:44:36 GMT
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University

In article <11458747.17@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 11458747@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (CHRISTIAN WILSON) writes:

>To all current/learning doctors,

>In early February, I had an ingrown toenail removed (or part of the toenail 
>anyhow). The doctor gave me a local anaesthetic, and then cut of the side of 
>the toenail that was wedged in and also a piece of the skin around there. (i 
>hope i'm not making this too graphic!). By the way, it _did_ hurt quite a 
>lot :-(.

>Anyway, back to my question. I have noticed that the part of the toenail 
>that he has cut has grown somewhat, whereas the other side of the toenail 
>seems to be starting to wedge into the other side of my skin (but not as 
>badly as before, almost as if normal). The thing is that this side seems to 
>refuse to grow! As it isn't actually creating any soreness on my part, nor 
>has it gone over the part of the skin that it was stuck in! (ie. It just 
>sits there)

>Any suggestions? (and NO i don't want to have another operation for the 
>simple reason that the last time REALLY really did hurt, and I HAVE learnt 
>my lesson about cutting them!)

>Thanks,
>Christian.

>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>Christian Wilson                                    | Goodness Knows Why
>BCSE (Bachelor of Computer Science and Engineering) | I Posted This Message,
>MONASH University, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.  | Perhaps You Can
>Internet Address : 11458747@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au  | Enlighten Me????  :-)
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Xref: sparky sci.med:8649 rec.antiques:632
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med,rec.antiques
Subject: Re: Sources of Used/Antique Medical Equipment
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:59:37 GMT
Followup-To: sci.med
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <57302@cup.portal.com> mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes:
>Do you know any place that sells used or antique medical equipment?
>I'm specifically interested in obtaining leucotomes used for lobotomy.

After reading some of the recent posts here, I may want to have
a couple of people lobotomized.  Let me know if you find them.

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From: ajwnet@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (andrew.j.west)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Drug Reactions
Keywords: Dilantin
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:02:13 GMT
Organization: AT&T

Does someone out there know anything about Dilantin?

My Mom was taking it for seizures after a brain operation
along with Dexamethasone. She has had a very bad reaction
to the Dilantin. Swelling and redness/dehydration and skin
peeling. 

They switched her from Dilantin to Phenylbarbitol about a 
week ago. Seems like the effects from Dilantin is taking
a long time to go away.

Thanks

Andy
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: suhre@meltami.dsd.trw.com (Maurice E. Suhre)
Subject: Re: MRI
Organization: TRW, INC.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:19:47 GMT


 > From: gibbs2@milori.ccit.arizona.edu (Alex R. Gibbs)

 > I have had ear trouble, possibly due to noise exposure, and my
 > main fear is the sound level of the thumping.  I have heard that
 > it can be quite loud and that people wear earplugs often.  What I want to
 > know is HOW
 > loud is it?  I don't want to risk further damage to my ears.  I
 > realize that it must be "safe" but my ears may be overly sensitive.

I had an MRI and it didn't seem too loud to me.  My hearing is normal
for being 56 :-)  I haven't ruined it with very loud music.  What it
sounded like was a loud knocking sound.  The rate varied from test to
test.  Sometimes it would be twice per second, sometimes it would be 4
times per second (estimates, of course).  They gave me some little
spongy earplugs.  I put them in but I didn't think they were very
effective.  I'd suggest the wax impregnated cottom time (Flentz or Sleep
Eaze come to mind).

The noise isn't continuous.  I'd be there and the mike would come on and
they'd say "This will take 2 1/2 minutes".  Knock Knock....   Then
they'd say 4 1/2 minutes.  knock knock.  I almost fell asleep while I
was waiting.  After all, horizontal, soft light.

I can't be sure what the noise level was.  Imagine someone hitting an
anvil in the adjacent room.  Seems about right to me.

-- 
Maurice Suhre
suhre@trwrb.dsd.trw.com
From: tibbs@hplred.HP.COM (Kevin W. Tibbs)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:05:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Norplant
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: sci.med


My wife's ob/gyn recommended this product; however, my wife is a quadraplegic
and I am concerned about blood clotting.  I, too, would like to here about any
personal experiences, especially from any disabled women.


				Thanks
				Kevin W. Tibbs
				Hewlett Packard Labs

				tibbs@hplkwt.hpl.hp.com