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From: 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu (Murali Iyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Indian Southpaws
Date: 5 Oct 1992 18:24:51 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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In article <5b945cfe4.003b97e@agar.engin.umich.edu>, sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:

>  Correct me if I'm wrong - but Raman is definitely a very elegant batsman - he
>has the languid elegance of a southpaw - Gower is the best of 'em all in this
>department - and since India has hardly ever had a southpaw worth his salt, the
>slightly overdone comparison was'nt too bad, was it?
>

I can almost agree with you there, but the memory of Surinder Amarnath's
nonchalantly stylish cuts and drives haunt me. And, before Bharat jumps on me,
let me add Wadekar's name. And Salim Durrani's, too. And, to some extent, Eknath
Solkar. Other than these, I don't recall good southpaw batsmen that have
represented India with creditable performances. I am sure I am missing a few
names, but then, what will other Indian netters do if I name all of them? :--) 

Surinder got a century on debut, but could not break the jinx (no Indian
batsman who had made a century on debut scored another century throughout his
career, until Vishy made history). Despite half-centuries and reasonably good
scores, he always seemed to be on trial and was subsequently dropped from the
side altogether. He was a very good batsman, and had all the strokes in the
book. 

Of the three brothers, the youngest, Rajinder Amarnath was supposed to be the
best according to Lala Amarnath. But perhaps he was trying to promote the one
son who was yet to make it to the highest grade. :--) Just kidding, folks.


>Hope to land on Earth someday

Welcome, ET. You can use my phone to call home. :--)

>
>Sudhama

-Murali
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From: kpw105@phys.anu.edu.au (Ken Wessen)
Subject: Re: Worst Aussie side since 1970
Followup-To: rec.sport.cricket
Organization: Theoretical Physics, Australian National University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 02:10:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.152631.9579@st-andrews.ac.uk>, rasf@st-andrews.ac.uk
(Russell Anthony Stewart Fiedler) wrote:

> Graham Yallop (c)

 A fine batsman with a very good test record.  OK - an appalling series in
England in '81, but many fine performances before and after.  Many
excellent test centuries - has no place in this team whatsoever.
He did however have the misfortune of being a not very good captain of a
not very good Australian team.

> Gary Cosier

Do remember his 168 against Pakistan in 76-77?  It was a magnificent
innings.  Although he never lived up to his potential, a couple of fine
test centuries (incl. one on debut) surely should keep him out of this
team.

> 
> Jim Higgs 12th man
>      Clearly the worst bat and fieldsman to have played Test cricket for 
>      Australia in the last 20 years. Unfortunately he was a very good leggy
>      so we can't get him into the side proper.

He was a very very good leggy, and if someone of his calibre was around
today, they would be in the team for sure.  At any rate his batting
improved significantly at the end of his career, even making double figures
on occasion!  :-)  Certainly New Zealanders will remember his partnership
with Dougie Walters in 1981 when Dougie scored his last test hundred and
Higgs was given not out when caught off a bouncer from a medium pacer!

> 
> Sorry not to have included some of the following. We just didn't find them
> bad enough
> 
> Rob Kerr
> Rick Darling
> Peter Toohey
> David Ogilvie (very close to being picked)
> David Hookes (The Great White Hope)
> Phil Carlson
> Dave Gilbert
> Len Pascoe
> Kerry O'Keefe
> Murray Bennett
> etc etc

Peter Toohey performed magnificently in his debut series against India, and
then again in the West Indies.  After this he faltered, but two magnificent
test series, including 82 out of 157 on debut when batting at number 6, as
well as 122 and 97 against the West Indies in the West Indies should
disqualify him from consideration.

Len Pascoe has a fine record in tests, he just never played very many of
them.

David Hookes, although disappointing, still has quite a decent test record.

The above three also had the careers disturbed by the Packer era - Hookes
certainly lost some of his best few years,  Toohey was probably thrown in
too early ....

What about Dirk Wellham?  Greg Campbell?

Ken
From: 971kamali@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Inquiry about test & oneday
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:50:27 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University


I will be very thankful if some body type the "TEST" and "ONEDAY"
record of these players.

1. Miandad
2. Border
3. Kapil
4. Gower
5. Wasim Akram
6. Jones
7. Crowe

Thanks in advance.
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: IMO BEST JOINT INDO-PAK XI  (1970 - 1990)
Date: 29 Sep 1992 22:35:48 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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In article <532@wavefront.wti.com>, ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj) writes:
>
>      IMO BEST JOINT INDO-PAK XI  (1970 - 1990)
>      -----------------------------------------
>
>Here's a joint Indo-Pakistan team selected on the basis of individual 
>performances between 1970 and 1990. All IMHO of course!
>
>     1.  Sunil Gavaskar (vice-capt)
>     2.  Farookh Engineer (wk)
>     3.  Zaheer Abbas
>     4.  G.R. Vishwanath
>     5.  Javed Miandad
>     6.  Kapil Dev
>     7.  Imran Khan  (capt)
>     8.  Abdul Qadir
>     9.  Wasim Akram

	considering that the time frame is between 70-90
I would pick Sarfraz Nawaz

>     10. B. S. Bedi
>     11. B. S. Chandrasekhar
>
>     12th man: Asif Iqbal
>
other choices seem pretty o.k.

************************************************************
N.Ramasubramanian          	GO BREWERS ! GO !    

Dept. of Mech. Engg.	        Listach for ROY
Marquette University       
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From: sidi@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Sadiq Yusuf)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Maninder's age
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:51:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct6.215118.26465
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.


	As promised, looked up Mani's age - Arun thought he might have been
dropped because he was 30. Well, Mani isn't 30, he's actually only 27.
That's clearly not old at all, specially for a spinner. 
	BTW, guys, I have a whole bunch of ages of players that I brought
back from India - we might be able to update our "probables" list ! At
least, I have the official ages, those are often different from the real
ages as we all know :-) 

			Sadiq [ who won't reveal his age ] Yusuf
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Subject: Indian enthusiasm in sports
From: pujara@grover.cecs.csulb.edu (Dipen Pujara)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 02:28:33 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

Although India is currently near the bottom of all major sports (including  
cricket), it is good to see a high degree of enthusiasm for sports related  
information among Indian fans. This is evident from such a large number of  
postings (probably the highest) from Indians on the news network.
From: ecrjbruce@economics.adelaide.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Imran Khan -retiring again?
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:59:45 GMT
Organization: Economics, University of Adelaide
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Well it's been "officially" reported over here in Australia that Imran HAS
retired. (For good this time). Imran said he "unofficially" retired after the
World Cup, but wanted to give himself a bit of time before announcing it.

--
Daniel.
From: sma@waikato.ac.nz (Stephen Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: "We are the world " Team of 80's
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:59:29 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Oops, of course, B Richards didn't so much in the '80s, but my main revision is
to replace Kapil Dev with Malcolm Marshall, a far more penetrating bowler (I
think you'll find his strike rate is far higher than Kapil's.  Of course, I'd
like to include Botham, but he was far to inconsistent to make the team.


Stephen..
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From: u9066624@cc.uow.edu.au (Tippu Hassan)
Subject: Re: All-rounders galore! What's wrong with this picture?
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 03:40:41 GMT

ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj) writes:


>Consider the following Indian XI:

>W.V. Raman       |   started off his career as a bowler, still bowls
>Ajay Jadeja      |   started off his career as a bowler? still bowls
>Md. Azharuddin   |   specialist batsman, occasional bowler
>Sanjay Manjrekar |   specialist batsman, cannot bowl 
>Sachin Tendulkar |   specialist batsman, decent bowler, specially in ODIs
>R. J. Shastri    |   started off his career as a bowler, still bowls
>Kapil Dev        |   need I say more?
>Kiran More       |   keeper, thank God this guy can't bowl!
>Manoj Prabhakar  |   specialist bowler, decent batsman, has opened!!
>Chetan Sharma    |   specialist bowler, has scored a century!! decent bat!
>J. Srinath       |   specialist bowler, a wild hitter in the Lance Cairns mode

>There is just one batsman (Manjrekar) who cannot bowl. And just one
>bowler (Srinath) who cannot bat.  Yet, this team has crumbled on
>dead pitches and not been able to dismiss opponents twice on bowler's 
>tracks. Can someone tell me -- What's wrong with this picture?
>-- 
>--
>Ravi N. Raj                                   ravi@wti.com
>                                              Lakers - Knicks '93



Jack of all trades, master of none................  :)

TIP

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From: chalmers@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (David Chalmers)
Subject: Re: "We are the world " Team of 80's
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:58:38 GMT

It seems to me that the following are sure picks in a World XI
for the 80's.

1. Gavaskar
2. Greenidge
3. Richards
4. Miandad
5.
6. Border
7. Imran
8. Hadlee
9.
10. Marshall
11. Qadir

The only arguable positions are the sixth batsman and the keeper.
The openers are obvious, and nos. 3, 4, and 6 can't be left out
(they're the only batsmen of the 80's to average over 50).  Kapil
Dev and Botham are tempting, but excluded on the grounds that an
all-rounder like these has to be able to make the team on their
batting or bowling ability alone.  Good as they are, neither Kapil
nor Botham are among the top 5 fast bowlers of the 80's (except
in wicket counts, of course, but those don't mean so much).

For the #5 batsman: I guess the candidates are Gower, Crowe, and
Richardson.  I'd vote for Richardson, who tends to be overlooked
in these discussions, mostly because of being Richards' contemporary.
His average is an excellent 48, compared to Crowe's 45 and Gower's
43.  The alternative would be to go for an all-rounder like Botham
or Kapil here (tough choice, but I'll go for Botham, especially
if I can have the early 80's version).   The batting would still
be strong (especially if we take Dujon for keeper), and it would
make the bowling depth pretty fearsome.

I suppose Dujon os the obvious choice for the keeper's spot, not
least in virtue of his batting (if it's him, he'll bat #7).  If
there are residual doubts about his ability to keep to a spinner,
I suppose we could go for Ian Smith, who I don't know much about.

-- 
Dave Chalmers                            (dave@cogsci.indiana.edu)      
Center for Research on Concepts and Cognition, Indiana University.
"It is not the least charm of a theory that it is refutable."
From: sidi@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Sadiq Yusuf)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Worst English XI sice 1970
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:49:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Sep30.204923.27530
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <92273.131217SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.140215.10238@athena.mit.edu>, paulc@atoll.mit.edu (Paul
>Cloke) says:
>>
>>What about Eddie Hemmings, or even John Emburey(in his last few tests he
>>took something like 3 wickets for about 500 runs), they must also be some
>>of the least effective spin-bowlers at test level England has had in recent
>>years.
>>
>>
>absolutely. emburey played 50+ tests for about 120 wickets. an embarassing
>strike rate for a man who was supposed to be the front line english spinner
>of the 80's. i used to get tired of hearing all the praise emburey got from
>the english commentators whenever he managed to pick up 5-6 wickets in an
>innings- which were few and far between. he never was that good. he was
>competent as far as keeping the run-rate down was concerned, but i really
>couldn't see him as a strike bowler.
>

	But, but, but ... Emburey is back in the English side for the tour
of India, at an age of close to 40 !! Surely, you don't mean to tell me
that the English selectors could have possibly erred *Gasp* . No no, it
cannot be. The English selectors are, of course, infallible !

			Sadiq [ embittered ] Yusuf

>Stay cool,
>The Thinker
>
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From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: cricket in jamaica
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:02:50 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <2OCT92.14040186@meena.cc.uregina.ca>, wicks@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes:
> I hope to be in Jamaica from December 13 to 20th. Are there any matches
> during that time.

Unfortunately there will be no Red Stripe Cup matches on, and the Jamaican
domestic competitions should be finished by then, I think.   Your best bet is
if there are highlights from the Australian tour on tv, or befriend someone
with a satellite dish, which should have some cricket from Aus.

McBean
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From: pvr@argo.rice.edu (PVR Narasimha Rao)
Subject: Re: INDIAN TEAM to SA/ZIMBABWE
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:33:42 GMT


In article <92276.115214SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>, Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

|> In article <1992Oct2.065829.28990@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
|> Sanjay.Naik@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Sanjay Naik) says:

|> >        Didn't he do well against the Windies too? I thought it was
|> >against the Windies that Raman got 97 odd. I was hoping that we'd get two

|> raman scored 81 on his test debut vs the WI. he also got a 95 in an ODI vs the
|> WI during the same tour. i think it was prabhakar who got a 97(?) vs NZ. i'm
|> not sure about raman, however.


Incidentally, his 95 against WI in that ODI was also *on debut* - unless I'm
mistaken, it was WV's ODI debut. However, that innings was studded with an
unbelievable number of unbelievable lives.

If it was Prabhakar who got 97 (or was it 96?), then Rmaan got 98 (though I
think it was 97). In the match in which Raman scored, India made 198 or so.
Raman received a lot of prasie for his innings.


|> Stay cool,
|> The Thinker


PVR
From: pradeep@sco.COM (Pradeep Subramaniam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Pakistan Vs Rest Of The World X1
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:43:44 GMT
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.

In article <BvCJu8.7w0@acsu.buffalo.edu> v079rbu4@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Sanjay Kohli) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.233530.21392@unislc.uucp>, ramana@unislc.uucp (Ramana Ramachandran) writes...
>>Sanjay Kohli (v079rbu4@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote:
>>: Hi,
>>: 
>>: 	Rest Of The World X1 won by 6 Wickets (321 in 37 overs).  I really 
>>: enjoyed watching Lara and Tendulkar beat the hell out of Pakistani Bowlers. 
>>: Most of the Bowlers bowled with Short RunUp except WAQUAR YOUNIS(so called 
>>: Worlds Fastest Bowler); Tendulkar hit 3 Sixes on WAQUAR YOUNIS bowling; 
>>: 2 of the were Consecutive Balls and 1 was right after the drinks break 
>>: which was a hook on WAQUAR'S Bouncer.  When Tendulkar was hitting Pakistani 
>>: bowlers all over the ground it became India Vs Pakistan (instead of rest of 
>>: the world) and crowd went wild. 
>> 
>>	Take it easy buddy.Its obvious that its an exhibition match.Its
>>	bound to be a high scoring match and the win or loss proves nothing.
>>	Its probably to keep guys like you happy 
>        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>    What you mean you chicken don't open your f***** mouth unless you know 
>the realty. The way most of the Paki were acting there it made it kind of 
>real match.
>
>Cheers

I agree with Sanjay, it was the Pakistani bowlers, spearheaded by Imran
himself who made this match get this serious. Niether one of the 
West Indian batsmen, Richardson or Lara, started hitting out so aggressively
till intimidatory deliveries were bowled. But what the heck, that's what
made the match so interesting anyway. Pls. note that I was an eyewitness
to this match.

PS. When I say agree with Sanjay, I do not mean I repeat every single word 
that were said by Sanjay.

Pradeep.

-- 
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From: karnik@deci.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: Irani Update - Oct 1st.
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:02:48 GMT

In <009616E2.15FB2940@vms.csd.mu.edu> 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu (Murali Iyer) writes:

>************************************************************************

>Rest of India : 638 all out (1st innings)
>WVR : 184,  Siddhu : 59,  VK : 94,  PA : 86,  Yadav : 82 and Maninder : 3

>Delhi : 229 all out (1st innings)
>Lamba : 89, Kumble : 21-4-64-7
> Follow on 409 runs behind.
>(2nd innings)
>  287 all out
>Kumble : 35-10-74-6
>  All his wickets were caught by V. Kambli.
>  Prabhakar : 62 and Bantoo Singh : 69.

>**************************************************************************

>How about that? Innings victory, and six second innings going to the
>combination of 

>                (Batsman) Ct Kambli B Kumble!! 

>Nice touch!

>Thirteen wickets in the match! Boy! That must be Kumble's best ever game, first
>class or any class! 

	What a timely performance! Now the selectors will simply HAVE to take
him along, to avoid another "jokers" label. Of course, having two selectors
from South Zone might help too :-)

	Any idea what happened between the ROI and Delhi innings ? Did it
rain or something ? I mean, here we were, moaning about huge scores in the 
domestic competitions, and suddenly a team like Delhi gets shot out twice
under 300... Kumble was pretty cheap too, considering that he's a legspin
bowler. But of course, we already knew (or were TOLD, by PVR :-) that he 
was a good ODI bowler!

>-Murali
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Neeran   Karnik  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: karnik@deci.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: Banerjee's selection & cribbing
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:29:58 GMT

In <Oct.5.21.22.03.1992.2357@ring8.rutgers.edu> ratan@ring8.rutgers.edu (Santosh Ratan) writes:

>What did Amre do when he got his chance last time in Australia??
>                        NOTHING

	Not quite true...

>These netters have no problem on Amre's selection. I tell you, Anybody
>can do better than what he did. Now, if you compare Banerjee, do you

	Let's hear some names.... Amre might not have done much so far, but he
has showed enough evidence of his talent in the domestic games as well as in
his limited intl. experience. Apart from those in the team, who do you think
can replace him ? Kambli was the only possibility, IMHO.

>remember a ODI in which he slogged real well when needed, and when
>others failed. In a test, in a day he took all the three or four
>wickets, but next day probably Azhar thaougt that his quota of taking
>wickets was over and didn't make him bowl again. I don't remeber a
>single criticism against this action of Azhar. 

	First of all, Azhar was certainly criticized at the time, right here
on r.s.c. Secondly, Bannerjee has done nothing special in the domestic games
to earn a place ahead of the other contenders like Ankola, Zaidi, Vaidya,
Kuruvilla, etc. His selection seems to have been made simply on the basis of
the East Zone "quota". While the same argument could easily be applied to 
Amre (vis-a-vis Kambli), Amre certainly has the credentials to justify a place
in the side, quota or not.

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From: gunnit@cse.unl.edu (Gunnit S. Khurana)
Subject: RICHEST EVER COUNTY CONTRACT 
Keywords: WAQAR COUNTY CONTRACT SURREY RICHEST
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:27:50 GMT

Just read in 'The Cricketer' (Pakistan) that Waqar has signed a three
year contract with Surrey. It is richest ever contract with a county.
He'll be paid 70,000 pounds per year. The news article also mentioned
Saleem Malik and Mushtaq Ahmad. They will be paid 44,000 and 22,000 
pound per year by Essex and Somerset respectively.
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From: aksimha@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Gerd Von Rundstedt)
Subject: Re: An open letter to Gerd Runstedt
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:33:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Oct2.182048.11211@unixg.ubc.ca> banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji) writes:
>		An open letter to Gerd Runstedt
>
>Meine liebe General,
>  Sind Sie aus Deutschland? Es gibt kein Cricket dort. Wo spielen Sie Cricket?


     Herr Ajai. I am an ersatz general. I had changed my "finger" info a
     few months ago. I tried to change it back again, but, the schwein
     in the ecn here, are not wunderkinds. They've screwed up the system
     and hey, I'm stuck with this pseudonym. Btw, I don't understand a 
     word of the Teutonic stuff that you've penned (except the one's we
     used to read in the "Commando" comics) :-) :-)

          I gathered that you probably meant, "Since when did you pick
     up cricket?" Oh yeah, Rundstedt is my favorite general!

           
      Sorry for an open reply to the open letter!

  Arun [ Wasting some hallow bandwidth ] Simha