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From: cjp@megatek.com (Chris "Systems Stud" Pikus)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .308 PISTOL
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:59:11 GMT
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California

#From article <9565.122.uupcb@cccbbs.UUCP>,
	by cccbbs!bill.preuss@uceng.UC.EDU (Bill Preuss):
# OK, he is my situation - I ordered a .308 Howa barreled action with the
# intent of cutting it down to make a .308 pistol (like the Rem XP100
# series)  I am now told that I can't cut a rifle down to a pistol under
# the BATF rules and regulations - Something about barrel length and
# overall length of a rifle.  Is this true?  If so how does Remington
# and others make their XP type pistols legal?  Any comments would be
# appreciated.
# Bill Preuss
# cccbbs!bill.preuss@uceng.UC.EDU (Bill Preuss)
#

	Don't do this. While you can add a longer barrel AND a stock to
a pistol to make it a rifle, it is legally dicey to go the other way. This
is a one-way process, once you do the conversion, you cannot convert it
back.

	The reason it is legal for Remington is that the XP starts out
its life as a pistol. Like the T/C Contender, it is a 14" pistol that
happens to shoot a rifle round. If you buy the conversion kit (that the
Supreme Court this year said was legal) and make it into a 22" rifle, you
now have a rifle and can NEVER go back. 

	Of course, if your barreled action starts out life as a pistol,
then it was never a rifle in the first place and you would not be "cutting
it down". 

	Now, how do you legally register your intention to the BATF that
the receiver and/or action is a long barreled pistol and NOT a rifle? 
That is a question for some of the FFL holders out there.

	My guess would be that whomever pays the Federal Excise Tax on
firearms construction would be the one who says what it is. (Hint: it's
10% for handguns, 11% for long guns.) Unfortunately it may be the man-
ufacturer.

	Of course I advise checking with the BATF (anonymously), with
an FFL familiar with firearms manufacture and/or excise tax, and an
attorney. If you only use my advice, you are asking for trouble.


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From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 357 mag cylinder & barrel alignment & spacing
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:04:02 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

holger@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Holger Reusch (Dipl. Gerhard + Joe)) writes:

#skimmel@amex-trs.com (Steve Kimmel) writes:
##I've noticed the 
##cylinder moves back and forth along it's axis, going from touching the
##rear of the barrel to a gap that an .008(.203mm) feeler gauge will just 
##fit into and a .007(.178) gauge will slip through easily.  Is this normal?  
##I have not yet fired the gun, probably this weekend.      

#(Thanks for including metric measures!) That ranges sound normal to me.
#My S&W 686 has similar characteristics and, besides showing impressive
#lances of fire left and right of the gun when shot, it doesn't show any
#problems with the gap.

	Agreed, these are perfectly within tolerance.  One point not
mentioned is that this clearance will change depending on hammer
position (cocked, half-cock, uncocked).  My gun has no transfer bar, so
uncocked is very close to the barrel.  Cocked I'm showing .0015", which
is too small for anything used for self-defense.  Half-cocked I'm showing
.006", which doesn't appear to harm anything.  This may not apply to
some guns, but on others things are only locked up tight when you're
shooting and are loose when cocking.  This helps keep grime (or
percussion cap pieces!) from jamming things up, and isn't necessarially
bad.  Naturally, this all depends on the gun.  A gunsmith should be able
to tell you what tolerances for your gun are best, and you can take it in
for a tuning when it needs it.

##The second thing I've noticed is that when the cylinder is pushed against
##the barrel, the cylinder face is not 100% flush with the rear of the barrel.
##It would seem that the bullet would have to make a slight correction in the
##direction it is moving in, resulting in deterioration of the barrel.  Is 
##this something I should have a gunsmith look at or is it normal.

	This is a problem, and your gunsmith should take a look at it.  One
way to compensate is to have a bit of a funnel shape to the barrel at the
breech, but we're talking just a couple of thousandths of an inch shaping.
It indicates the cylinder wasn't bored correctly, or perhaps that the
rotating mechanism isn't performing within tolerance.  If you can see the
difference with the naked eye, it's quite certainly big enough to warrant
attention.  I'd have that looked at, and while you're at it the gunsmith
might be able to shim that cylinder a bit for you to take out some of
that play should it be desirable.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"I see angels on Ariels in leather and>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | chrome, Swooping down from heaven to >
<viking@iastate.edu      | carry me home."   ---    R. Thompson >
<ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee.>
From: rnoguchi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ryan Alexander Noguchi)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .40 S&W Help Sought
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:57:16 GMT
Organization: Princeton University

In article <199209281540.AA07827@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
writes:
#In article <9209261635.AA29291@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> rnoguchi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ryan Alexander Noguchi) writes:
##Exactly.  But there's more to a gun, even a Glock, than its operating
##system...
##...feel
##uncomfortable with one of its features, namely the "Safe Action,"
##basically single-action-only or double-action-only in practice
##(depending on its trigger pull weight).
##...It'd certainly ease a lot of minds unaccustomed
##to the thought of holstering  what essentially acts as a Condition
##Zero piece.  If I recall correctly, this was Massad Ayoob's only beef
##with the Glock.
#
#In these respects, how is a Glock different from a revolver? (Which 
#I notice _many_ police officers holstering with perfectly easy minds.)

I also read about a lot of AD incidents with officers transitioning to
the Glock from the revolver.  

I should have qualified this further.  I was referring to the standard
Glock with ~5lb trigger rather than a Glock with the New York trigger or
other appurtances to increase the trigger pull to 8-12 lbs.  IMHO going
with the heavy trigger negates one of the best advantages of the
semiautomatic pistol concept, namely the constant light trigger pull, so
I'm not considering these effectively double-action-in-practice weapons
in my discussion about safeties.  

#                                             Frank Crary
#                                             CU Boulder
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^
What happened to UC Berkeley?  I wasn't away that long, was I?  
 
- Ryan                               rnoguchi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU
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From: JEFFD@elmer.hls.com (Dempsey, Jeff)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Help, Interviewing!
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:39:01 GMT


Readers,

	I was not sure where to post this, but here it comes.  I am in the
midst of interviews with the City of Palo Alto for a Police Officer position. 
I am looking for information about the average age of the student population @
Stanford and what effect a large university has on a city police force.

	These are questions that were asked during my initial interview today,
and I do not enjoy "not having answers."  I am not a Poly Sci or Sociology type
and could not comment 100% on the second part of that question.

	Also, if there are any Current Officers or past Officers that would
like to volunteer their knowledge of the process I would be more than happy to
listen and learn.

	I should probably post this to Talk.Gov or something like that but it
seems a bunch of good answers to diverse questions come from this sub.

	Thank you in advance, and have a good weekend.

		Jeffd@hls.com


[MODERATOR:  Not really in our charter, but I'll slip this one through
so the chap can get some contacts... please take followup offline, thanks.]
From: bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Glock 17L?  (Re: 9mm: Which)
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:28:04 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
| For what you want, the Glock 17 cannot be beat.   Accurate, reliable,
| cheap, sturdy.

  Has anyone shot or heard anything about the Glock 17L?  I'd like to
  hear some opinions about it (compared to the 17).
  ==

  Bob                                       Seattle, Washington
From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Children and toy guns...
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:23:54 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.

In article <9210011512.AA25586@outmail.microsoft.com> davidst@microsoft.com (David Steckler) writes:
#
# [...children/toy guns/policeman/etc. trimmed...]
#
#I've already decided that my (future) children will not own toy guns that
#look anything like real guns. There are guns and there are toys and they
#are separate things. I would never dream of telling anyone how to raise their
#kids (especially since I'm not a parent yet), but I just thought I'd relate 
#this story as food for thought.

I have three children.  I have also decided that they should learn to
safely handle and shoot both rifle and pistol.

I also feel that toy guns are a Bad Idea(tm), in that kids playing with
them learn (mostly from TV and movies) bad habits of usage, and are
desensitized to the notion that you *never* point a firearm at anything
that you're not willing to destroy.  Almost all of their observed play
violates good, safe gun use practise.

Mine have all started with air rifle target shooting, and after formal
classroom instruction regarding safety, added pistol and rifle skills.

We have fun, we observe safe practice, and the local urchins think my
son is a bit of a crank on the subject...but they play along while he's
around.

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From: padeniso@eos.ncsu.edu (PAUL ANDREW DENISOWSKI)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Which 9mm to buy
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:30:27 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos




	Funny how no one here has really mentioned anything by Sig Sauer.
I've always been very impressed by their quality and performance, albeit
at a somewhat higher price ($600+) than most 9mm autoloaders.  The P226
is a good gun, a little too large for CC, but still, in my opinion, an
excellent weapon.
From: mjalava@lk-hp-21.hut.fi (Mika Matti Jalava)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 12 gague ammo question
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:47:22 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology

In article <1992Oct4.171144.1@acad2.alaska.edu> asdch@acad2.alaska.edu writes:

#	Is it possible to use less than 3 inch shells in a 3-inch chambered 12
#gague shotgun without causing damage?

Yes, I do it all the time and there is no damage whatsoever. Using too
long shells is VERY dangerous, but shorter ones are OK.

There MAY be problems with very short shells (like 2") as the gases
may get past the shot load while it hasn't reached the barrel yet
(still in the chamber). This shouldn't be dangerous but it may
slightly affect the power and pattern of the load.

Anyway the normal 2.75" shells are just as usable in a 3"-chamber gun
as in a 2.75"-chamber one.

	Mika
From: klaus@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Klaus)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Tennis ball cannon
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:41:55 GMT
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada

Tried to make a cannon myself, with mediocre results. It was 2 cans of 
kitchen cleaner, approximately 6 and 10 inches long for the ignition 
chamber and barrel, respectively. It was ignited with a piezo lighter, 
and had Coleman camping for the spark. No ball went further than 50 
meters, although we did get some prodigious sounds. The whole thing was 
wrapped with silly amounts of duct tape. 
Is it possible that our spark was too weak? (It looked fairly cool)
Does Coleman fuel have enough kick? How much is best?
Any ideas on how to improve it are greatly appreciated.
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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: Re: Ignition of gasoline
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 07:42:17 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

>9119175@sunvax.sun.ac.za (Jacques Strydom) writes:

>: I put 100ml petrol in the tube and blocked the mouth of the tube with
>: a piece of cloth covered with candle wax.  Then i heated the tube for a 
>: while to get the petrol vapourizing.
>: 
>: Nothing hapened except that the plug was sparking for hell inside the tube.

>First, you used far too much petrol. Only a few drops should be necessary.
>I expect that, when you heated the tube, you drove all the oxygen out of
>it. Without an oxidizer, the petrol will not ignite.

Absolutely.  I make my gas cannons from 6 or 8" schedule 80 CPVC plumbing pipe. 
Just cement-weld a cap on one end, insert a sparkplug and leave the 
other end open.  If it happens to frag, the pieces don't do much damage.  
A teaspoon of ether (vastly better than gas for this application) makes 
a resoundingly thunderous boom from about 4 feet of capped pipe.  Never
had one frag using this mix, even with some oxygen enrichment.  I 
HAVE fragged 'em using acetylene/oxygen.  A hair dryer is handy for
venting the thing between blasts.

John

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Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 14:32:19 EDT
From: Richard C. Dougherty <344DFYH@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Chemicals

Where can I find a company that carries a lot of chemicals? Where can I
find strong sulfuric and nitric acids etc?...I have a BATF license to
experiment with low explosives and I get my chems from Firefox Enterprises
in Pocatello Idaho, but they do not suit all my needs...
                                                       Chip..
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From: ttt@cmr.no (Tore Tjomsland)
Subject: Smoke bomb
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 13:16:03 GMT

Hey!

I want to make a small smoke bomb. Can anybody
help me with a suitable chemical composition?

Thanks in advance!

Tore Tjomsland
ttt@cmr.no
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From: v111pczf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Christian T Fraboni)
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics
Subject: Re: Anarchy & Explosives (FINALLY!)
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:20:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo

In article <1992Sep30.020623.23341@eskimo.celestial.com>, cerebrus@eskimo.celestial.com (Dan Scherck) writes...
>Tada! Ok. Well, happily, I won't have to worry about posting the anarchy
>files, as I have found them located on the computer of the 
>Electronic Frontier Foundation. This organization it appears is
>dedicated to freedom of the computer nets, and they have amassed a good
>selection of files. The ones you all want are located thus:
>ftp ftp.eff.org
>in the directory /pub/cud/anarchy
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

     Correction!  The directory is /pub/cud/ane

                          Your Welcome!
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Flash Powder Problems
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 06:10:06 GMT

karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
: 
: I have a suspicion that someone else will post better procedure, but
: basically you need to have a much better intermix of particles, which means
: finer powders (the sulfer should be flowers of sulfer in a dust form, etc)
: and good combination technique.   The perchlorate is a problem, as getting
: it to a fine dust without having it "boom" on you can be a challenge.  A
: ball mill can be used for this, but I wouldn't use it inside anything I
: cared about (like a house, garage, etc).

You want flour of sulphur, not Flowers of Sulphur. Flowers of Sulphur
contains up to .25% free acids and is not safe for use.

Reference: Lancaster "Fireworks - Principles and Practice", pp50
Chemical Publishing Company, NY 1972.

: Flash is DAMN dangerous to make.  You risk having it go off >while< you're 
: mixing it up!   Make only VERY small quantities.

Exactly. If you mill components, do them separately. Mix them by the
diaper method - e.g. place them on a sheet of paper and mix by lifting
the corners of the sheet. Wear non-synthetic clothing, use gloves and a
face shield.

The mix is static, shock and friction sensitive. It is not recommended
that you store the mixture for long periods of time.

Bill
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From: Chris.Jeris@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chris Jeris)
Subject: Thermite Ignition
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:17:20 GMT

I would like to construct a relatively small reliable ignition system for
thermite (aluminum/iron[III]oxide dust combination).  So far as I know one
of the few reliable ways to initiate thermite is with magnesium... but that
is itself kind of hard to ignite.  I don't want to be around when this fires
up, so an electrical timer is an option.

Apologies for any stupidity...

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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Recipe for nitrate-based flashpowder!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:31:14 GMT

kempmp@phoenix (Petri Pihko) writes:

: more harmful neurotoxic than the long-feared mercury. The worst problem
: with lead is that it slowly creeps into your body and doesn't let go,
: entailing a decrease in IQ, slowing down your reactions, without any
: manifestable notice. Unlike the lead used in batteries, pyrotechnically
: used lead will be effectively spread (in a soluble form) over a large
: area. 
: 
: Anyone coming up with an alternative to lead crackle stars should be 
: awarded the first "Green Man's Daughter" Award. ;-)

Shimizu did a study on the "crackle" effect. I seem to recall that other
combinations of materials will work. Guess I will have to check my recent
issues of "Pyrotechnica".

Bill
From: slack@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (David Slack)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:47:51 GMT
Subject: Hard Rock Blastin'? How?
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.pyrotechnics

	I am trying to find out the easiest way to loosen some host rock 
around some plume agate without destroying the stuff.  I would like to use
some kind of small blasting method in order to crack the host rock (not
remove it).  I just want to fracture is enouph to make it possible to remove
it by hand.  

	Please e-mail me.  I do not always get a chance to read this notes
file.

Thanks,
Dave Slack


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From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Ignition of gasoline
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:39:07 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <9119175.2.718281751@sunvax.sun.ac.za> 9119175@sunvax.sun.ac.za (Jacques Strydom) writes:
>I onced tried to make a kind of "bang machine" using petrol.  (I became tired
>of mixing gunpowder)
>
>I took a thick steel tube of about 3" in diameter and 2 feet long, welded 
>close the bottom and screwed a sparkplug into the side of the tube.
>
>I connected a wire to the base of the tube and one to the plug.
>
>I put 100ml petrol in the tube and blocked the mouth of the tube with
>a piece of cloth covered with candle wax.  Then i heated the tube for a 
>while to get the petrol vapourizing.
>
>Then i applied +- 2200 volt with a frequence of 0.5 Hz to the wires.  
>
>Nothing hapened except that the plug was sparking for hell inside the tube.
>
>
>Does anyone have an idea why the petrol did not ignite.
>

Sounds like the gasoline vapor displaced all the air resulting in a mixture
too rich to ignite. You probably don't need to heat the tube as much. Use
less fuel, much less.
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From: brom@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (David Bromage)
Subject: TBBOM and Gopher
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:58:31 GMT


I used to have TBBOM and the Gopher Pyro Files but I lost the disk. I
don't with to wait for the FAQ to be reposted so if anyone can tell me who
disributes them, or if anyone has them and could mail them to me, I would
be most grateful.

Thanx in advance.

Cheers
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