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From: mary@cloudpeak.tivoli.com (Mary Anthony)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian,austin.forsale,austin.general
Subject: STALL AVAILABLE
Date: 7 Jan 93 05:24:38 GMT
Followup-To: rec.equestrian
Distribution: austin
Organization: TIVOLI Systems, Inc.


I am posting this for a friend so please do not respond to me.


Stall available at small, privately owned barn. The stall is a box stall with
an attached run.  Tackroom and turnout also provided. There is no ring on the
property.

The board is $175.00 a month.  If interested call Carla or Jed Adams at
288-5455.



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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews)
Subject: AMHA phone #
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:12:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho

The phone # that i have is (802) 985-8897.  I suspect that it this is either
incorrect or a FAX or modem line.  Every time i call i get a hideous dial tone 4
times and then a busy signal.  Any help?
From: krystek@alcor.bms.com (Stanley Krystek)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse hugs
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:24:28 GMT
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb, Macromolecular Modeling


My morgan Jupiter is very interested in people and will follow 
me around and nudge me when gromming him and also when I am 
working on his face he pulls me in with his head.  He does
it quite often to my wife, I hope to video it one day.

stan
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: joi@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (JMM)
Subject: Trakehner decision
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:41:38 GMT
Keywords: help, info needed


Now that my gelding has navicular and can only be used for light riding, I've 
been looking around for another horse.  I had originally set my price limit to 
about $1500-$2000, but frankly haven't seen an awful lot in this area (around 
Denver) that has impressed me.  Quarterhorses just don't seem to be able to 
move the way I want, and I'm leary of getting a Thoroughbred since I don't 
have a barn yet (spring!).  I've wanted a warmblood for a long time, but 
never thought I could afford one.  Lo and behold, I opened a local horse
newspaper and the Mile High Horse Ranch is selling more than half of their
stock of Trakehners.  Just for the heck of it, I went to look.  I fell in
love with a 2-year-old grey filly, and her price, though more than I 
originally intended to pay for a horse, sounded pretty good to me ($3375).
A knowledgeable friend who went with me thought the price was very good
and the filly would do nicely for what I wanted (jumping).  She's a lovely
mover, springy, lots of impulsion, and a wonderful disposition.  (A black
filly I looked at had a better canter, but was too hot for my liking,
rearing and snorting and tossing her head.)  She's already been nominated
for the 1995 futurities in case I decide to get in dressage more than 
I already have.  Her sire, Erzsand, was a very big jumper, but the breeder
doesn't really know of any of his get that are being used as jumpers.
They're such nice movers, that dressage people like them and buy them.
However, she says she'll put the filly over a few free jumps in the next
week and see what her attitude is, and I can make up my mind then.

This is a rather lengthy intro, but I like this filly so well that I don't
know if I'm being detached enough about this.  Another friend that I talked
to (who lives in Illinois) thought the price was very high for an unproven
2 year old--but in the same breath told me about a Holsteiner she was 
looking at for $6700, that had won a halter division for 2-year-olds.

How do Trakehners compare to other warmbloods?  How are they in general as
jumpers?  Does this price seem reasonable?  (Yes, I understand that the
stock that's being sold are the "culls", but those culls are better movers
than anything I've ever ridden.)  

Please answer ASAP since I feel like I need to put a deposit on this
filly (subject to vet check, of course, and subject to her jumping attitude),
very soon.

	Joy Metcalf
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From: mary@tivoli.com (Mary Anthony)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Natural-Ride?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 12:12:06 -0500
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
Reply-To: equestrians@world.std.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com


   >> Happy New Year Equestrians-
   >> 
   >> Last month, while visiting our local tack store, I saw a "saddle" called
   >> the "Natural-Ride".  It seems to be a heavy duty bareback pad with stirrups
   >> and a "handle" that sits on the horse's withers, for stability.
   >> 
   >> Looks like a fun and safe way to ride with a minimal saddle.
   >> 
   >> I'd like to get the opinion of the net, before buying one.  Is it as
   >> good as they say?  Is it comfortable?  For the horse?  Does the handle
   >> arrangement prevent it from sliding under the belly like a bareback pad?

I have one of these Phil.  I've used it maybe 3 times for short rides (1/2 hr).
Why?  I'm just not into bareback --- at the time I thought it would make me
learn to ride without stirrups.  [Yeah, yeah, I know it *has* stirrups but you
don't have to attach them.] Since then, I've just taken to dropping my
stirrups.

Yes, the handle does keep the pad from slipping and, I thought, fit my horse's
shoulders well.  He is a TB.   I had two things I didn't like about it:

	* though the stirrups are attached I didn't believe the girth was
	  good enough to trust mounting using the stirrups alone.  I always
          used a mounting block to ensure my weight wasn't in the stirrup 
	  very long.

	* The pad, on mine, is a thick grey felty thing.  It always seemed
	  to stiff to me and didn't appear to conform to my horses back though
	  he didn't appear to mind and he is pretty sensitive.  I always
	  thought it would loosen up if I rode with it more.

If you are still interested, you might consider making me an offer for mine:).
I'm certainly not using it.  It really is *barely* used.  Anyway, good luck.  I
think it would be a great thing if you are really into bareback.

Regards,

Mary

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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: Hmm, I'm sure that was it!
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 04:21:05 GMT


G'day again,
Just before christmas I subscibed to EQUINE-L on LISTSERV. I
unsubscribed just before I went on holidays so I didn't return to
50 million messages. I just tried to re-subscribe but on both
occasions that I tried my message bounced with a 'unknown host'
message. I tried:

listserv@psvm.bitnet

and

listserv@psvm.psu.edu

Does anybody out there know what the story is?
Thanks.

BTW, on the subject of horses not drinking water:

I've never had any trouble with my boy but I've heard of
two different things that were claimed to work.

1. Put a few drops of rasberry cordial in a bucket of water. Horses
   are supposed to like it. Possibly the same thing might be true of
   apple juice.

2. I have also heard that they like anniseed flavour so maybe a couple
   of drops of that in a bucket. 

These are just things I've heard, who knows, they might work!

I know that at endurance rides we always soak some feed in LOTS of
water, we put some of whatever they like best in a bucket and then
almost cover it in water. At least that way we know they are getting
some moisture into them.


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From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: [Phil Obermarck:  Natural-Ride?]
Date: 7 Jan 1993 18:21:45 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Linda Harbin (linda@linda.intel.com) wrote:
: In article <1ickc3INNd17@nigel.msen.com>, dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski) writes:
: |> 
: |> A bareback pad is good for protecting the rider's clothing and for padding
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: |> the horse's back.  The are not truly designed to replace a saddle,
: |> especially with regard to stirrups.
: |> 
: |> Karen

: A Natural-Rider DOES have a saddle tree, therefore, it helps to eliminate
: slipping.

I had mentioned that elsewhere.  My quotes above were from a post that was
in response to 2 others about bareback pads and stirrups.  Since it has a
tree, the natural ride is about as much a bareback pad as a racing saddle
is.  Once you add a tree to the padding, it changes things quite a bit. 
Unless of course you have a horse that is extremely round :)

Karen

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: bchamber@vlin1.vsla.edu (Bill Chamberlain)
Subject: Re: Deposit when buying a horse
Organization: Virginia State Library
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:16:53 GMT

Sorry I forgot to put my email address being new to this.  It is
bchamber@leo.vsla.edu.  I have worked as a professional and a
judge,in
England, South Africa and here. As far as I know I have no US
relations, but I do know Toano.

Bill Chamberlain
bchamber@leo.vsla.edu
Richmond Virginia
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews)
Subject: Re: loss of hair
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:42:11 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho

In article <7JAN199312474588@watson.bms.com> gibson@watson.bms.com (Minde Gibson) writes:
>I purchased a used New Zealand Turnout Rug for my Quarter Horse in the fall
>and since the weather has turned colder he has worn it.  My concern is that
>he is losing his hair at various pressure(friction?) points.  I have tried
>loosening the rug some but this seems to have no effect.  Next year he will
>probably be left naked(since he's partially destroyed the rug anyway).
>
>Will his hair grow back or will he be bald in these spots for good now??

My horse's shape is such that no blanket has fit her very well.  No matter
what i've tried it has rubbed some place raw.  With your horse, if you keep
playing around w/ the fitting maybe something will work.  It could also be
that your horse does something which "rubs him the wrong way."

The hair does grow back, definitely, don't worry about that at all (unless
the rubbing actually breaks skin - hair might grow back white, or the area
might be caloused.)  My horse always grows it back in, and you can't tell
that she's worn a blanket after a little while out of it.

-d
From: sherri@brl.mil (Sherri Measley AMXSY-LA , AMSAA/LRAD/FRB)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: [Phil Obermarck:  Natural-Ride?]
Date: 5 Jan 1993 08:50:41 -0500
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From: Phil Obermarck <POBERMARCK@intellicorp.com>
Subject: Natural-Ride?
To: equestrians@world.std.com

Happy New Year Equestrians-

 Last month, while visiting our local tack store, I saw a "saddle" called
the "Natural-Ride".  It seems to be a heavy duty bareback pad with stirrups
and a "handle" that sits on the horse's withers, for stability.

 Looks like a fun and safe way to ride with a minimal saddle.

 I'd like to get the opinion of the net, before buying one.  Is it as
good as they say?  Is it comfortable?  For the horse?  Does the handle
arrangement prevent it from sliding under the belly like a bareback pad?

 Thanks -

        -Phil


Hi!

I have something like what you are describing.  Bought it mail order through
Chick's Saddlery.  It was described as a "bare-back pad" in their catalog.

I really didn't like the thing at all.  I had problems with the thing sliding
under the horses belly.  Impossible to try to mount using the stirrups.  The
ad stated that the pad was for experienced riders only.  The handle didn't 
seem to do much of anything except help straighten the pad out each time it
slid to one side or the other.  Actually, if there were a way to keep the 
thing stationary, I think it would have been more a more comfortable ride
than a saddle.  I liked it much better without the stirrups.  I guess the
pressure of my legs kept the thing in place.

This is just my opinion.  Maybe a more experienced(balanced) rider would have
absolutely no problem at all with the pad slipping....Anyone else?

Sherri


Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: cawalto@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (JOANNE WALTON)
Subject: Re: Boots, boots, boots..
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  5 Jan 1993 12:14 EST  

In article <1ia4utINN2rl@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell) writes...
> 
> 
>John -
> 
> Thanks for the catalog info! Just what I've been looking for!
> 
> Specifically, I'm in need of a pair of dress boots for fat calves
> and small feet! (without the custom made price!) 
..
> 
> I have a pair of custom made Dehners that were made when I was
> 16 years old...needless to say, I'm a different shape these days.
> (Oh, for the days when my parents paid the bills.....)
> Does anyone have any experience with having boots altered? I only wore
> them to shows, so they're in GREAT shape. My choices are to 
> (try to) alter them, or (try to) sell them. 
> 
> Anyone know the market for second hand custom boots? 
> They are probably best suited for a young teenager - about a size 5
> shoe, 14" height, fairly slim calves (in comparison to my fat calves
> of today). I don't even know how much to ask for them....any
> suggestions? 
> 
> Anyone's experience in this area would be greatly appreciated! 
> 
>Thanks!
>   Patty


Patty,

My experience with used boots is old, but...

About 12 yrs ago I bought a used pair of Dehners, practically unworn, for 
$50.  At the same time I bought a new pair of Griffin leather riding boots 
for shows (made in Argentina or something), for $100.  I think they had a 
hard time selling the Dehners because the calves were so wide.  I had the 
boots cut down by a shoe maker to fit me.  I guess the moral of the story 
is that you don't get much for used boots.  Too bad yours aren't a size 
bigger or I'd be interested, I love my Dehners.  I still use them 5X/week 
for riding, they have been through hell, but they just keep on going!

Good Luck!

Joanne
From: gnd@idaho.amdahl.com (Greg Darnell)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Trakehner decision
Keywords: help, info needed
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:43:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corp., Rexburg, ID

In article <1993Jan8.004138.21056@cbnewsc.cb.att.com>, joi@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (JMM) writes:
> <...>
> Mile High Horse Ranch is selling more than half of their
> stock of Trakehners.
> <...>
> (Yes, I understand that the
> stock that's being sold are the "culls", but those culls are better movers
> than anything I've ever ridden.)  
> 
I don't think they are culls.  My wife saw the ad in the ATA magazine
(I think), and most of what is for sale are very nice horses she has
seen in person, at very good prices.  Last I heard the owner of MHHR
was reducing her herd to increase room for her ostrich breeding business.

Anyway, the price is very good when you consider that the stud fee would
probably be $1000-1500 and the futurity nomination costs a fair amount
too (if you had to pay for those things directly, as we have).

As far as jumping ability or any other aspect of Trakehners vs warmbloods,
I don't think you can generalize any more than any other breed.  My 
wife's FEI dressage horse, a Trakehner, enjoys jumping but my wife
isn't interested in it.  Our 2-year-old out of a mare we bought from
MHHR jumped a 5 foot fence once when spooked, and only lost some hair
on his front legs.  We put a high priority on temperament when we buy
or breed, and our two favorite horses are both Trakehners.  However,
that may just be because those are the samples we happened to run in to;
there are too many variables to predict characteristics of an individual
horse just because of its breed.

Greg
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: sysmatt@aix3090b.uky.edu (Matt Simpson)
Subject: Re: Rolex info wanted
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: sysmatt
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:47:53 GMT

The Rolex event is the last weekend in April (I don't have a calendar handy
for exact dates.) You can buy general admission tickets for each day, or for
all 3 days. I don't know the exact prices, but it's in the neighborhood of
$20-$25 for all 3. The individual days vary in price (dressage on Friday is
cheaper than x-c on Sat and stadium on Sun). You can also get 2 different types
of VIP tickets, which cost about $60 for one and $100 for the other. This gets
you in all 3 days, plus free booze, plus preferred parking/seating. The higher
price also gets you some free food. 
If you're getting cheap tickets, there's no need to buy in advance, since
they're available at the gate, and they don't limit the number of tickets sold.
If you want the expensive tickets, you should order early. I haven't gotten
this year's info in the mail yet, so I guess they aren't selling tickets yet.
If you call Equestrian events at 606-233-2362 they can put you on the mailing 
list and send you more detailed info when it's available.
Hotel/motel reservations should be made as soon as possible ... things do fill
up that weekend. Somewhere, I have a list of hotels/motels that I posted last
year .. I can dig it up and re-post it.  Living 20 minutes from the horse park,
I know where most of the places are, but I've never stayed at any of them, so I can't really provide an y specific recommendations. Maybe some of the out-of-towners can tell you which places are good or bad.
As far as other stuff going on that weekend, the Rolex event is about it. In
the past, the High Hope steeplechase has been held at the horse park that
Sunday afternoon, but they moved it to a different weekend this year.
As far as kids ... that really depends on their interests. If they like horses,
they'll probably love it. But Saturday might be a long day ... to really see
the x-country, you have to do a lot of walking. Of course, all the regular
horse park stuff (museum exhibits, movies, parade of breeds, etc) is still
going on that weekend. Some of that is real neat .. some of it has been fairly
accurately described as interesting for people that like horses but don't know
anything about them .. for example, you can watch a real live farrier nailing
shoes on a real live horse ... interesting for those who haven't seen it done
every 4-6 weeks for years.
I'm not sure what else to add ... I'll be glad to answer any specific questions.
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: bchamber@vlin1.vsla.edu (Bill Chamberlain)
Subject: Re: How Old is too Old?
Organization: Virginia State Library
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:01:12 GMT

I had a horse being riden continuously when he was 36 years
old.  He died at the age of 38 by breaking a leg gaalloping
round a field.  I still have a 30 year old Shetland Pony who is
still teaching young girls to ride very happily.  Age depends
on how well they have been taken care of and how well they have
been conditioned - very similar to humans!  Bill.
From: sdstangi@flash.LakeheadU.Ca
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Hmm, I'm sure that was it!
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:21:34 GMT
Organization: Lakehead University, Thunder Bay, Ont., Canada

Hi, Claudia!
Are the western riders in Germany really as stuck up about using a
particular breed for their discipline as the jumping and dressage
folks (or at least that's how I remember the latter from growing
up there with my New Forest Ponies)?
I don't see any reason why Lucky couldn't be a good western horse.
I know many horses who go both, English and Western.  I don't find
that much difference between the two.  (I ride English, but
frequently use western bits; I don't have a western saddle.  I've
taken lessons on a quarter horse and we used English and Western
saddles interchangeably, since I was working on my seat mostly
anyway.)
As another respondant already said, the horse's mind set is more
important than anything else.  So before you go through the 
trouble and possibly the disappointment of getting a horse that 
you are not happy with in the end, look at what you have and what
else you can do.
AS for training, get some good books .  Most European western riders
are self-taught.  Find a training center that has the same 
philosophy about horses and riding as you.  Go there for your
vacations to take courses.  Maybe take Lucky along.  A very good
source of information and most importantly, contact to others
like yourself, is the magazine 'Freizeit im Sattel'.  There are
also lots of other western-only publications available .
Look around and get an overview before making any major decisions.

Stef (& Baldur & Jarpur who is Canada's oldest Icelandic Horse)
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: How Old is too Old?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 22:11:12 GMT
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Bill Chamberlain (bchamber@vlin1.vsla.edu) wrote: : According to the
Guiness Book of World Records 1989 the oldest horse : lived 62 years and
was a Cleveland Bay cross (i.e. "Cold : Blood").  The oldest Thoroughbred
lived to 42 years and died in : 1978 in Australia. 

Umm- a technicality here--a Cleveland Bay cross could be a warm blood too.
 It depends on what the other parent was.  Also, I'm not totally sure that
the Cleveland Bay is a cold blood itself.  It's right on the border, and
the one's I've known have been more carriage type than draft.  

Karen