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From: loon@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (LOON M J)
Subject: Re: unity and other myths
Organization: Wits Electrical Engineering (Undergrads).
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:30:35 GMT

In article <pieter.715321465@ford> pieter@ford.ee.up.ac.za (Pieter Vermeulen) writes:

>femibyte@athena.mit.edu (Olufemi G Anthony) writes:

>>Another idiotic posting from UCT as usual. It makes one wonder what
>>kinds of people are in S.Africa's white universities when this
>>supposedly "integrated" university has people with such mindsets.

>>Femi.

>And then I thought MIT had some kind of reputation.....

Touche! 
--
Marc Loon <loon@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za>
Student No: 8807871/X (just thought you'd want to know)
University of the Witwatersrand
Johannesburg

Conversation: a voice competition between two people
in which the one taking a breath is called the listener.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: ntseane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Language help needed for Botswana
Reply-To: ntseane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:23:47 GMT

You can either say goroga sentle or goroga ka pula. Pula means rain
in Setswana and it is supposed to bring good fortune. I hope this is 
helpful. If you need serious tutoring, you may want to  contact Boston
University African Languages Center. They usually offer Setswana courses
in the Summer.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS: SUDAN: 300,000 THREATENED BY SPLA R
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:36:32 GMT

Area: Latin America
Reference: United Nations
Title: SUDAN: 300,000 THREATENED BY SPLA REJECTION OF U.N OFFICIAL


nairobi, aug 21 (ips) -- the fate of 300,000 residents of the
besieged southern sudan captial of juba hangs in the balance
with the decision of sudanese rebels not to cooperate with a
senior u.n. official heading the relief opperation.

the sudan peoples liberation army (spla) office in nairobi
has accused the u.n. operation lifeline sudan, (ols) official
thomas ekvall, of ''destabilising the spla in support of the
national islamic front (nif) government in khartoum''.

ekvall has been declared ''persona non grata in all areas
under spla/splm control'', said dr. elijah malok, spokesman for
the sudan peoples liberation movement/sudan peoples liberation
army, the politico-military high command of the rebel movement,
wednesday.

malok further said that all cooperation between ekvall and
the sudan relief and rehabilitation association of the splm/spla
was terminated.

donors and relief agencies have been informed that ekvall is
no longer recognised by the splm/spla as ''the chief of the ols
southern sector.  ols can operate in in southern sudan without
thomas ekvall'', declared malok.

the rebel move followed a world food programme announcement
last week to resume relief flights, on aug 20, to juba.  these
were suspended in mid-july after the spla attacked three planes
at the regional airport.

the spla said the attacks were in protest against the use
of unmarked planes which they suspected of ferrying government
troops into the city.

relief agencies here are becoming increasingly concerned
about the plight of the civilian population in juba which is
virtually hostage to both sides.

''thousands of conflict-affected people are in imminent
danger of starvation'', said john rohn of the norwegian peoples
aid agency.

''since united nations suspended airlift operations to
juba on 18 july, no food, no shelter or other material relief
items have been delivered to the town, at least 300,000 women,
men and children are at risk, he warned. (end/ips/ha/ro)


-- 
Mr. Aaron Barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
From: "colin perkel" <colin.perkel@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: drought/rights
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:10:57 EST
Reply-To: "colin perkel" <colin.perkel@canrem.com>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

   A recent Human Rights Watch report attributes all the major famines
in recent memory to the systematic abuse of human rights in countries,
not to the weather.

   In particular, the organization cites the great China famine of the
late 50s, the Ethiopian famine of the mid-80s, Somalia now, and
among others, Zimbabwe, which has just cut its monthly per person corn
ration to 5 kg -- about a quarter of what's needed to live on.
   It says adverse weather conditions obviously don't help but that
facist/oppressive regimes have created the avoidable mass famines by
their wrong-headed and secretive policies -- enforced by the abuse of
rights.

   In contrast, it cites a countries such as Botswana and India as
staving off famine by their more democratic methods that allow input
from diverse sources and positive solutions.

   Criminal regimes ...

Col
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From: osele@acsu.buffalo.edu (itiakorit j osele)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics
Subject: Re: unity and other myths
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:11:38 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Aug26.192753.16945@athena.mit.edu> femibyte@athena.mit.edu (Olufemi G Anthony) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.120033.202521@uctvax.uct.ac.za> hllhar01@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
>>
>>
>>According to the newspaper this morning, Nkosi Sikelel i'Afrika will be sung at
>>the soccer game between South Africa and Zambia on Sunday - I don't hear too
>>many people expressing outrage at the insensitivity of singing a song which
>>alienates a large section of South Africa's white population. Double standards
>>perhaps (eh Scott)? Personally I think its cool, they can sing what they like.
>>
>>What has emerged from the anthem and flag controversy is the fact that South
>>Africa isn't a nation, and probably won't ever be one. Everybody seems to take
>>for granted the idea that the political leaders should be promoting unity among
>>South Africans - and finding national symbols and songs forms part of this.
>>It's really very stupid (and possibly quite dangerous as well), what should be
>>promoted in this country at the moment is political and ethnic tolerance -
>>people should be allowed to adopt the songs and symbols of their choice, 
>>regardless of the attitude of the majority of South Africans.
>>
>>As long as political leaders persist with attempts to coerce all South Africans
>>into uncomfortable "unity", there will always be rebellion and ethinic
>>minorities swimming against the flow. Tolerance and freedom of expression I say
>>- unity is a myth!
>>
>>Hardy Hulley
>>
>>
>>
>
>Another idiotic posting from UCT as usual. It makes one wonder what
>kinds of people are in S.Africa's white universities when this
>supposedly "integrated" university has people with such mindsets.
>
>Femi.

Yah, Femi I agree with you; and I would like to add that, this
"intellectual" exercise in trying to justify oppression will come to
naught when "Mandela becomes president". It is a waste of time on their
part ( those who have been benefitting out of oppressing others ).

Itiakorit
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: where to send money
From: jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 09:27:56 PDT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Nanaimo, B.C.
Keywords: best organization

Hello , could anyone suggest which aid organization sending aid
to Somalia is the most honest and effective?? thanx and cheers

           jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (John Cross)
     The Old Frog's Almanac  (Home of The Almanac UNIX Users Group)    
(604) 245-3205 (v32)    <Public Access UseNet>    (604) 245-4366 (2400x4)
        Vancouver Island, British Columbia    Waffle XENIX 1.64
From: Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: unity and other myths
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 19:39:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/22.5 - Novell User Group, Pretoria RSA

On <27 Aug 1992 20:29> Lucio de Re (5:7104/2) said to All :

 LdR>Now, Hardy, you and your ANC-bashing friends please try to 
 LdR>explain to me
 LdR>your logic. I am quite confident, specially in view of this 
 LdR>particular
 LdR>posting, that you have _never_ stood up, nor would you have 
 LdR>even remotely
 LdR>considered standing up for blacks' right to sing Nkosi when it 
 LdR>was banned.

And when was it banned? 

As a Christian I have no problems with singing "Nkosi sikelele", but I do 
have problems with "Die stem", because the latter verges on idolatry.

= Steve


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From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: IPS: KENYA: AGREEMENT WITH US REACHED OV
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:08:10 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Originator: barnhart@gagme

Reference: North America; Agriculture
Title: KENYA: AGREEMENT WITH US REACHED OVER RELIEF FLIGHTS


nairobi, august 21 (ips) -- kenya and the u.s. have resolved
their differences over the u.s. emergency airlift of food to
northern kenya and somalia which risked the lives of over a
million people facing starvation.

the first aid flight organised by the u.s. military took of
friday afternoon from the kenyan indian ocean port of mombassa.

a joint statement issued here after a meeting between u.s.
officials led by ambassador smith hempstone and president denial
moi said a committee and been set up to co-ordinate the
details of the relief effort.

the first meeting of the committee which consists of
representatives of the kenya government, u.s. officials and
international relief agencies is expected later friday.

according to the statement, the relief operation was a
complex one and because it was organised at short notice, ''some
details were not adequately worked out in advance but there
should be no doubt that the two governments share a common
(humanitarian) goal''.

foreign minister ndolo ayah told ips that kenya's objections
to the exercise was based on armed u.s. troops organising food
distribution on kenyan soil in the northern town of wajir.

it appears that kenya, although fully informed that it was a
u.s. military operation, were suprised that 200 rather than the
first anticipated 33, armed u.s. military personnel would
conduct the exercise.

the us mission headed by general frank libutti is armed
''with the standard weapons that we normally carry for any
military operation'' libutti said.

''we have no problem about the ferrying of food by the u.s.
team to wajir and from mombasa to somalia but we will not have
the u.s. distribute the food in northern kenya'', ayah said.
the food will have to be handled by the local and international
relief agencies already in the area.

relief destined for somalia would fly directly from mombassa.

a western diplomat here told ips that the kenyans were
clearly shaken by the rapid deployment of the u.s. military
team. given the political instability in the country and a
recent history of poor relations with the u.s. over the
government's track-record on human rights and domestic
oppostion, there was a degree of nervousness.

'i think that rather belatedly, the government realised
that the presence of these troops was not too comfortable'',
said dr. oketch miruka of the university of nairobi.  ''after
all people still remember that noriega was airlifted out
of panama by the us''. (end/ips/ha/oa/92)




-- 
Mr. Aaron Barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
From: hllhar01@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: sanet.talk.politics,soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Flag
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:31:09 +0200
Distribution: sanet
Organization: University of Cape Town


Duncan Anderson writes:

> The contoversy which has been raging about the flag waving at the rugby
> match leads me to ponder on the symbolism of the South African flag.
> 
> As most of us are aware, the flag is a composite one, consisting of
> four other flags. 
> 
> Now, if we look at these flags one by one, we can get an idea of the
> symbolism implicit in the whole:
> 
> 1. House of Orange flag - not very auspicious, in view of the Irish
>    question, the slavery practised by the Cape Dutch, etc.
> 
> 2. The Union Jack - Years of British Colonial rule are commemorated here.
> 
> 3. The Orange Free State Republic flag - Free, if you are white skinned.
>    No Asians, oppressed black people. "Freedom" to practise slavery.
> 
> 4. The Transvaal Republic flag - Popularly used as a symbol by the AWB,
>    among others. The Boer president, Paul Kruger, was reputed to believe
>    that the earth is flat.
> 
> Well, so much for a very unrigorous analysis of the flag. Some things
> strike me, though:
> 
>     Where are the blacks symbolised in this lot?
>     The flag commemorates several phases of WHITE South African history,
>     but ignores the contributions made by most of the country's inhabitants.
> 
> If I were black, I would not feel "represented" in any way by this flag.

No, blacks most certainly aren't represented by the SA flag, but that's not
the point. The point is that the people who waved the flag at the rugby match
felt a strong attachment to it, and attempting to stop them from doing it
amounts to nothing less than a denial of freedom of expression. Hell, ANC
supporters wave the ANC flag as though it were a national emblem - do you want
to tell me that it represents all South Africans?

Personally I'm happy to see people wave whatever flags they wish - I don't
feel any attachment to any of them.

> As it is, being a South African of British descent, I am allegedly
> "represented" by the Union Bloody Jack. I take exception to this,
> since my ancestors were Scots, subjected to the worst kinds of oppression
> and exploitation by the English, (not to mention massacres and atrocities.)

Well, if you feel the SA flag doesn't represent you, why not get one of those
cuddly Loch Ness monster soft toys, and wave that at the next rugby match.
 
> It would be better to have no flag at all rather than this one.

I'd go one step further - since there is no South African nation, there cannot
be any national symbols or songs. Let the people wave and sing what they want
(at a regional level).

Hardy Hulley
UCT
From: malek@pi.titech.ac.jp (Zidouri Abdelmalek 03/95)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:42:24 GMT
Distribution: soc.religion.islam
Organization: Tokyo Institute of Tech., Precision and Intelligence Lab., Japan

I would like to cross post this article from soc.culture.african so
that some brothers and sisters may clarify some points to Bernhard 
Helander who might have been doing a lot to help the SOMALI CASE
but sure that is * LIHAJATIN FI NAFSI YAQOB * that is : he has his
own reasons and we thank who ever helps us. BUT..
I wrote: 

In-reply-to: antbh@strix.udac.uu.se's message of 26 Aug 92 07:47:43 GMT

In article <antbh.714815263@strix> antbh@strix.udac.uu.se (Bernhard Helander) writes:
>Putting the blame on Boutros-Ghali does not seem a very productive way of going
> about to solve the Somali dilemma. The latest issue of this obscure journal
                                                            ******************
Yes but He is representative and we see clearly his double standards  
when dealing with the problem of his co-religious people the ORTHODOX
SERBS he is even defying the security council. But when it comes to 
SOMALIA it tooks him more than THREE months to respond to the council
(since April) to publish the report about the situation in Somalia. This 
sudden compassion to the situation of the somalis muslims from the UN 
SG is far from abvious. 
about the journal WHO ARE YOU to judge if it is obscure. 
When the I.W.N says:

|** >Somalia's eastern neighbour, Saudi Arabia, is awash with oil wealth but
|>that is used to fight Muslims not to save them.
|>In the Gulf War, the Saudis paid more than $60 billion to destroy Iraq.
|>They had paid an equal amount to the Iraqi dictator, Saddam Husain to
|>try to destroy Iran prior to that.
|>The Saudis have given little or no help to save the starving millions
|>in Somalia, just across the Red Sea.

you say: 

>do hope that those of you who protested against the Somali article in
>the previous issue of this journal also made sure to bombard the editors
>with e-mail. The discussion in soc.culture.islam was truncuated by an
>anonymous "moderater" who, assuming the role of the angel Maka'eel, took
>it upon himself to remove all negative articles on the ground that they
>were "political".

 Islam  is a WAY OF LIFE and deals with all ISSUES of LIFE.
and this time you say:

>  I strongly urge anyone in administrative charge of this newsgroups to remove
>  all future postings from "Islamic world news" on the grounds that it has nothing to do with neither Islam nor news.
>   * Bernhard Helander             * Telephone: +46-18-182289 (office)      *
>  * Sweden                        * E-mail: Bernhard.Helander@antro.uu.se  *                                  
 So you point yourself AS AN EXPERT IMAM (Muslim Scholar and leader) 
 and AS AN EXPERT JOURNALIST.
--
 Malek.
 
 "We cooperate in what we agree on, and forgive each other for that
  in which we disagree." Hassan El Banna.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: IPS: KENYA: AGREEMENT WITH U.S REACHED O
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:58:44 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Originator: barnhart@gagme

Area: Africa, southern
Reference: North America; Agriculture
Title: KENYA: AGREEMENT WITH U.S REACHED OVER RELIEF FLIGHTS


nairobi, august 21 (ips) -- kenya and the u.s. have resolved
their differences over the u.s. emergency airlift of food to
northern kenya and somalia which risked the lives of over a
million people facing starvation.

the first aid flight organised by the u.s. military took of
friday afternoon from the kenyan indian ocean port of mombassa.

a joint statement issued here after a meeting between u.s.
officials led by ambassador smith hempstone and president denial
moi said a committee and been set up to co-ordinate the
details of the relief effort.

the first meeting of the committee which consists of
representatives of the kenya government, u.s. officials and
international relief agencies is expected later friday.

according to the statement, the relief operation was a
complex one and because it was organised at short notice, ''some
details were not adequately worked out in advance but there
should be no doubt that the two governments share a common
(humanitarian) goal''.

foreign minister ndolo ayah told ips that kenya's objections
to the exercise was based on armed u.s. troops organising food
distribution on kenyan soil in the northern town of wajir.

it appears that kenya, although fully informed that it was a
u.s. military operation, were suprised that 200 rather than the
first anticipated 33, armed u.s. military personnel would
conduct the exercise.

the us mission headed by general frank libutti is armed
''with the standard weapons that we normally carry for any
military operation'' libutti said.

''we have no problem about the ferrying of food by the u.s.
team to wajir and from mombasa to somalia but we will not have
the u.s. distribute the food in northern kenya'', ayah said.
the food will have to be handled by the local and international
relief agencies already in the area.

a western diplomat here told ips that the kenyans were
clearly shaken by the rapid deployment of the u.s. military
team. given the political instability in the country and a
recent history of poor relations with the u.s. over moi's
track-record on human rights and domestic oppostion, there was a
degree of nervousness.

'i think that rather belatedly, the government realised
that the presence of these troops was not too comfortable'',
said dr. oketch miruka of the university of nairobi.  ''after
all people still remember that noriega was airlifted out
of panama by the u.s.''. (end/ips/ha/oa/92)




-- 
Mr. Aaron Barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics
From: femibyte@athena.mit.edu (Olufemi G Anthony)
Subject: Re: unity and other myths
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:27:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.120033.202521@uctvax.uct.ac.za> hllhar01@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
>
>
>According to the newspaper this morning, Nkosi Sikelel i'Afrika will be sung at
>the soccer game between South Africa and Zambia on Sunday - I don't hear too
>many people expressing outrage at the insensitivity of singing a song which
>alienates a large section of South Africa's white population. Double standards
>perhaps (eh Scott)? Personally I think its cool, they can sing what they like.
>
>What has emerged from the anthem and flag controversy is the fact that South
>Africa isn't a nation, and probably won't ever be one. Everybody seems to take
>for granted the idea that the political leaders should be promoting unity among
>South Africans - and finding national symbols and songs forms part of this.
>It's really very stupid (and possibly quite dangerous as well), what should be
>promoted in this country at the moment is political and ethnic tolerance -
>people should be allowed to adopt the songs and symbols of their choice, 
>regardless of the attitude of the majority of South Africans.
>
>As long as political leaders persist with attempts to coerce all South Africans
>into uncomfortable "unity", there will always be rebellion and ethinic
>minorities swimming against the flow. Tolerance and freedom of expression I say
>- unity is a myth!
>
>Hardy Hulley
>
>
>

Another idiotic posting from UCT as usual. It makes one wonder what
kinds of people are in S.Africa's white universities when this
supposedly "integrated" university has people with such mindsets.

Femi.