From: boris@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (boris)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: When do we stop being outsiders? (WAS Re: The Journal on ...)
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:59:34 GMT
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

heckman@kingcong.UWaterloo.ca (Gerald Heckman) writes:

> In article <1992Apr13.194740.15976@watserv1.waterloo.edu> schamber@watserv1.w
> >In article <1992Apr13.182639.3398@watserv1.waterloo.edu> heckman@kingcong.UW
> >>In article <SBO.92Apr10124351@gunther.vlsi.polymtl.ca> sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca 
> >>
> >>[...] 
> >>>Make this country Unilingual anglophones so that we won't get Funking
> >>>French on our cereal Box. We will get back the jobs that where stolen from
> >>>us by the Funcking Frogs.
> >>>
> >>>Let's not give 60 Millions to the province of Quebec. They don't deserve
> >>>it. They must first sign a deal. We won't pay for them. After all, it's no
> >>>their money. It's ours. Furthermore, we only get 800 Millions dispite the
> >>>fact that we are less populous. What an outrage.
> >>>
> >>>Let's solve this once and for all. Let's send the army. Let's put those
> >>>damn Frogs back where they belong.
> >>[...]
> >>
> >>Stephane ! Il a fallu que je regarde la signature une deuxieme fois
> >>pour verifier que c'etait bien toi qui ecrivait ces mots. Je n'en crois 
> >>pas mes yeux. Je ne me souviens pas d'avoir vu sur ce net les mots
> >>"funcking frog", "frog" et "damn frogs" utilises comme tu l'as fait.
> >>J'espere que tu ne crois pas ce que tu dis - en tant que Quebecois
> >>francophone je trouves ton choix de vocabulaire hostile et insultant.
> >>Pourquoi es-tu le seul sur le net a utiliser un tel vocabulaire ?
> >>Pourquoi es-tu le seul ici a avoir adopte une position aussi extreme ?
> >>
> >>Stephane ! I had to read the attribution twice to make sure it was
> >>correct ! I can't believe you're saying this. I think I have never
> >>seen anyone on this net use "funcking frog" and "frog" and "damn frogs"
> >>like this before. I hope you don't mean this - as a French-speaking
> >>Quebecois I find it rather hostile-sounding and insulting.
> >>Why are you the only one here using such vocabulary ? Why are you the
> >>only one here who has taken such an extreme position ?
> 
> >>>  ,                          ,                           ,
> >>>Stephane Boucher, ing. jr. | Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
> >>>sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca        | 
> >>>sbo@info.polymtl.ca        | (514)340-5950
> >>
> >>Non, mais .... !
> >>
> >>Gerald P Heckman
> >>Universite de Waterloo,
> >>Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.
> 
> >He was being cynical, Gerald. I don't understand why you don't
> >understand that...
> >
> >Don't you see the point here?
> >
> >There is a lot of Quebec bashing in this newsgroup, you should see that.
> >At least, that's the feeling of many French-Quebeckers including myself.
> 
> Oui, t'as raison ! Y'a beaucoup de gens qui expriment leur desaccord
> avec certaines politiques et attitudes appuyees par le gouvernement
> du Quebec et par des personnes publiques nationalistes au Quebec. Mais
> Stephane se montre hostile et insultant envers tous les Quebecois 
> francophones ! J'ai rarement vu des choses de la sorte sur can.politics.
> Il attaque les gens du Quebec et nous lance des noms ! Il nous a appele
> "damn frogs" !
> 
> Yes, you're right ! Many people are expressing their disagreements
> with certain policies and attitudes of the government of Quebec as well as
> very public nationalist figures ! But Stephane is being hostile and
> insulting to all French-speaking Quebecois ! I haven't seen much like
> this on can.politics ! Attacking the people and calling us names !
> He called us "damn frogs" !
> 
> Dirais-tu qu'il exagere, qu'il adopte le stereotype d'un extremiste (redneck)
> pour parodier ce qu'il croit etre l'opinion publique dans les autres province
> Canadiennes ?
> 
> Would you say he's exagerating, and adopting the stereotype of an extremist
> redneck to parody what he believes to be the public opinion in other Canadian
> provinces ?
> 
> >Sylvain Chamberland
> >University of Waterloo
> >Waterloo, Ontario.
> 
> Gerald P Heckman
> Universite de Waterloo,
> Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.

I for one hope so. I felt badly insulted myself at his remarks. 
There may be idiot renecks who actually spout such rubbish but I wish to 
assure quebec peoples that they are a very small minority. And a dieing 
breed. I for one do not tolerate such malice, and seek to put an end to 
it when I chance across it. 
  It was pure bigotry. Racism as some would call it. IT IS NOT TO BE 
TOLERATED! By anyone. And before anyone cries censorship, it is patently 
false and hateful.  

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