HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Another Introduction
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:58:47 GMT
Organization: Bill 'n' Opus for Prez

In article <1992Oct7.005429.5683@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.152240.10937@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>
>  rich@theophilus.msfc.nasa.gov writes:
>>Morris code is definately on the schedule,
>
>Say what?  Caper-caper-clash-caper-clash-clash-caper-clash-caper.  Nah,
>just doesn't sounder real practical to me.
>
>Hoping the humor isn't too subtle,
>Dan'l

Not for me, but if it was for anyone else, Morris dancing is an English
form that uses long scarves, sets of bells on the ankles, and sticks.
-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

Who needs Lime Jello [tm]?  We had lasagna.....
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt (Thyra))
Subject: Re: Making overtures...
Organization: The Polyhedron Group
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 03:04:16 GMT

In article <1b55lhINNl2o@gap.caltech.edu>, lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
(Speaker-to-Minerals) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Oct9.180426.26869@data-io.com>, li@Data-IO.COM (Liralen Li) writes:
> =Phee is happily involved with StM making caramel apples.   She's managed to
> =not only make herself another rather lopsided apple, but even managed to
> =get NUTS all over it (and, this time, the front of her coveralls as well)
> =and StM as well.  In fact, StM is rather splotchily blotched with bits of
> =gold caramel as well...  (well, Lira *SAID* to give StM his share, too!!)
> 
> StM ponders his situation:  A diabetic felinoid whose fur is somewhat matted
> with sugar.  How does one groom oneself at this point?

Thyra comes up with a simple solution for Speaker to Minerals.

"Well, that's easy enough. Just ask another felinoid who is -not- diabetic
to help with the grooming. We felines groom each other all the time, when
among friends."

She gives StM her best attempt at an innocent expression. Then giggles and
licks her lips, saying "Besides, I'm rather fond of Caramel. I wouldn't
mind assisting you, and I'm sure there are othes of feline nature here who
might like to help. Ocelot! Kitten! What do you say? Shall we help our
sweet friend StM out of this sticky situation?" She glances at the other
female felinoids in the room, as she saunters over to StM.

"Hmmmm?"

Purrrs,
Thyra
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Redheads
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:50:26 GMT
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Oct13.175702.1888@bradford.ac.uk>, S.S.B.Glover@bradford.ac.uk (SSB GLOVER) writes:
=In article <1beosuINN552@gap.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
=>In article <1992Oct13.144120.24569@ra.msstate.edu>, jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce) writes:
=>>   Now, Now, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead. Don't you know ? :-)
=>
=>Are they?
=
=Are we playing yet?

Isn't this supposed to be a two-person game?
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:44:07 GMT
Subject: Re: Unbeliever fades back in...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.callahans

In alt.callahans, byers@cl2.cl.uh.edu (Unbeliever) writes:
> 
> "Many people do not see this, or recognize the kind of heroism that Covenant 
> represents.  I >DO< idolize Covenant, in a way.  This does not mean I agree
> with all of his beliefs (especially at the beginning of the series), but I do
> respect his struggle (of which the rape was only one small aspect), and the
> solution he finally finds."

It is difficult to see this fictional character as a hero.

When he first falls into his delusion, he engages in all sorts
of irresponsible behavior, because he believes it is a delusion
that will cost him his life.

Then, after everything within the context of the delusion is
destroyed due to his inaction, he decides that one needs
to be true to one's delusions after all, a conclusion which
is, at best, deranged.

I like the covenant books, and I actually like the character of
covenant, but it is rather difficult to see him as anything other
than irredeemably insane, and the heroic course would have been
to refuse to EVER accept the reality of the delusion.  A slighly
less heroic course may have been to accept responsibility before
his action led to all sorts of destruction. 
The basic message that comes out is, "be true to your delusions." 
This is, of course, a fairly dangerous moral.

The book is attempting to affirm life and the love of existence and
the need for responsibility, but it does it in an extremely strange
way that sends some awfully mixed messages.

Covenant failed in his struggle to reject destructive delusion.

doug
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 05:01:47 GMT
Subject: Re: all about callahans
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.callahans

In alt.callahans, dirbze@doc.bmd.trw.com writes:

> In article <BvExH6.48r@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
> > nick chopper...in the ALLABOUT
> > 
> >>>        persona and blowing up the place or a fair number of patrons
> >>>        thereof. A milder form is one or more legitimate guests obeying
> >>>        the rules but declaring that "THIS PLACE SUCKS - A BUNCH OF WEEPY
> >>>        PATHOS GROUPIES" or words to that effect.
> >>> 
> >>>        There is no defense against this behavior. In the violence case,
> >>>        most experienced patrons just ignore it. Some ignore it but wax
> >>>        rhetorical over how evil it is. A few try to rationalize a
> >>>        recovery in some kind of virtual reality. In the denigration
> >>>        case, most patrons flame at the critic, a few ignore, some try to
> >>>        sincerely and seriously answer the charges. I have no advice
> >>>        here. Perhaps we really need the criticism!
> > 
> > doug the cynic:
> > 
> >>This is, of course, not true.  Last time this occured, I demonstrated
> >>a quite effective defense against it.  It not only worked, it
> >>was amusing.
> > 
> > 
> > kitten:
> > 
> > doug...therare lots of people around who remember neither the
> > terrorists nor your defensive action.how aboutut filling in the new
> > people?  it is part of our history, after all...
> 
> me:
> 
> actually, I believe the best response was one to the latest Iraqi terrorist
> attack... left me with tears rolling down my cheeks and a case of sore ribs...
> but I don't remember who gets the credit... it is wonderful... [OK, so who's
> responsible???  HMMM???]... 

I think the post you post here is from Mr. Palmer.  It is pretty
funny.  I think he was following my lead, but he may just be a kindred
spirit.  We mocked their mockery and had fun with them.  When they
saw we could laugh, they left.  It worked well, but it may not

doug
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen)
Subject: Re: Liralin's Present...
Organization: Murdoch University
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:44:07 GMT

Splash wanders up to the beautifully glistening bowl with its colourful tenant,
and produces ahandful of limp green slime.  As the patrons watch with disgust,
he carefully places the slime in the bowl.  The plants spread out beautifully
as the force of gravity is lifted from their delicate fronds.  The Beta
cautiously inspects the new furniture before gliding smoothly through the
plants.  Don't judge algae by its slime!

Splash!


--
***************************** Michael van Keulen *************************** 
* Snail: School of BES - Biology         e-mail: keulen@murdoch.edu.au     *
*        Murdoch University              phone:  ++ 61 (09) 360-2843 (work)*
*        Murdoch WA 6150  AUSTRALIA              ++ 61 (09) 417-3902 (home)*
*************************** "To Love is to _LIVE_!" ************************
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: Another Introduction
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:53:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.193612.558@nntp.uoregon.edu> JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt (Jason)) writes:
>"Hey StM!" says Jason, "You should know better than to ask a Lady how old
>she is. They never want to admit their age, even when they are as pretty as
>our Kitten. It's just a factorial of life."
>
>Jason ducks under the table to avoid the flying
>peanuts.

   "I knew ducking under this table was a good idea ! Here Jason ! Catch the
peanuts !!!" DJ. :-)


-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science
 jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
  "Is it the weekend yet ?" me :-)
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Cultural Exchange (was Re: Schooling)
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:10:43 GMT
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Oct6.062507.3135@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, mar@physics.su.OZ.AU (David Mar) writes:
=Danger Mouse nods in agreement. "I have often thought exactly the same
=thing, and I've seen enough American football to understand most of the
=rules. The only worry I have is that the so-called 'scrimmage' line
=defines the position of the defenders when the ball is 'snapped' into
=play as being only a foot (or is it a yard?) from the ball.

Neither.  The defensive players can get as close as they want to, as long as
they remain on their side of the ball.
From: clhoerth@david.wheaton.EDU (Cathe L Hoerth)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: The ocelot who cried wolf
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:20:39 GMT


	Ocelot climbs laboriously out of her Pocket in the middle of the
room, landing in an exhausted huddle on the floor.  "Ooof.  I would just
like to say that I have a renewed and deepened respect for all in the
Place who are diabetics.  My body decided that it would be cute to be
diabetic for a few days, and didn't warn me in advance.  I hate that.
When I found myself to be shaking, incoherent, exhausted, faint, etc.
with my body yelling "I want starch NOW!"....  Sigh.  Never mind."
	Suddenly her ears prick up, and she sniffs the air.  "I smell
wolf in here."  Scanning the room, she spots the Wolf.  "Ah-ha!  There!
Oh, goody, I love wolves."  Abruptly she is full of energy, as she
Shifts down to feline form and BOUNCE! ZING! FLIP STRETCH FOSSIK LEAP!
lands next to the Wolf and sniffs noses with him... from a safe
distance, of course, just in case.

					Ocelot
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: mbr2@quads.uchicago.edu (Curious Of All Natures)
Subject: H]beauty[VE  (explained)
Reply-To: mbr2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Universtiy of Chicago
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:32:49 GMT

	There must be a fax machine under the bar, because the document
Mike produces from therebeneath just has hot-off-the-phone-lines written
all over it.  After reading it smirkily, he nods and posts it on the
bulletin board for the general illumination of all.
	A short trip to the back produces a case of a beverage most
exquisite to a certain on-the-ball fellow, which case Mike sets on the
bar with an expectant look around...


	The document, should you care to read it, is as follows:

 

***    hot-off-the-phone-lines    ***    hot-off-the-phone-lines    ***

Yukiharu "Yuki" Hadeishi, Lurker at Large, yhadeish@biomed.med.yale.edu
writes (and damn quickly too):

> Beauty is in the I of the bee-holder, of course!  :->
>
> Thanks for your contribution...
>
>   -- yh.


Mike, a case of whatever for this fellow please!  He's been around
before as Thelonious, perhaps you know what he likes.  I hope my credit
is good here - my own period keeps me frenzied enough as it is without
the burdens of other time-streams to concern me.  :^/


Honorable mention (in order):
Michael the Chaotic
Mentor
Danger Mouse
David "Mishael" Green


-Matt Ryan, not without lack of negativeness,
mb-ryan@uchicago.edu                Curious Of All Natures
==================================  ====================================
If I'm dreaming, never let me wake. You'll never see the end of the road
If I'm awake, never let me sleep.   When you're traveling with me.
               -old chinese fellow                        -Crowded House     
==================================  ====================================

***    hot-off-the-phone-lines    ***    hot-off-the-phone-lines    ***

 

Reading this message is a shy, harried-looking grad student, wearing a
brand-new white lab coat.  The case sitting on the bar is for him.  He
turns to face it, puzzling out whether he would rather claim it publicly
with announcement or quietly with a lurker's watchful dignity.
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: click!
Date: 12 Oct 1992 22:39:32 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <Bw0ztq.GKD@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
>...but there is
>damage on the inside of my head (remember, that's why i can't do math
>:)  )...

StM asks "You mean that's not simply the result of your being blonde? :-)"
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Grrr...
Date: 12 Oct 1992 19:21:19 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <keulen.718896430@possum>, keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen) writes:
>Well then, isn't there some way to undelete files (like with, say Norton's
>Utilities, in DOS-land)?

StM answers, "In this case, very probably not.  Remember:  DM's newsrc file got
clobbered because the disk filled up.  Now, *IF* the file's inode hadn't been
reused, then it would be possible for someone with sufficient privileges (i.e.,
not DM; we're talking about a multi-user system here) to do the equivalent of
an undelete.  However, it's very likely that someone else has already grabbed
those blocks and overwritten them."
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: click!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:08:14 GMT

doug:
>>
>>>Do not use the phrase 'differently abled'.  It is nonsense.  My
>>>father has been in a wheelchair for almost 30 years now, and
>>>he would be the first to tell you that he is downright handicapped.
>>
>>kitten:
>>i KNEW this....and i know your opinion of the term...i use it from
>>habit more than anything else...(however, if he functions in other
>>ways he is NOT handicapped...he just can't walk.  if he doesn't
>>function then he is handicapped) 
>>
susan:
>Habit?  You mean that there are people who actually expect you to
>use that phrase?  Yikes...

>and sorry to nit-pick, but ...From the American Heritage Dictionary:
>"Handicap: a disadvantage or deficiency, esp. a physical or mental
>disability that prevents or restricts normal achievement."

>I guess for me the important thing is just that people see me as I
>am.  I have to use a wheelchair to get around, but that doesn't make
>me any less of a person than anyone else here. 
>>--

kitten:
actually, yeah....i picked up "differently abled" when it was the
politically correct term...i would NEVER think less of anyone because
he/she was in a wheelchair...or blind...deaf...brain-damaged...

--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson

Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: lurk, lurk, lurk, post, lurk...
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:32:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.155951.5541@bmerh85.bnr.ca> sjane@bmers248.bnr.ca (sjs) writes:
>In article <CKD.92Oct13083020@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
>> [... lots of info deleted ...]
>>``In a very interesting bit of "small-world"-ism, Steve Jackson Games
>>has released a _Callahan's_ sourcebook, which even (of course) mentions
>>the net.place.  Note that SJG was the game company nearly sent out of
>>business by the Secret Service, in an event that helped cause the
>>formation of the Electronic Frontier Foundation--and therefore my job.
>
>I was following with interest your story, but got lost.. by 'Secret
>Service', do you mean the FBI or the CIA?  And what does EFF do?  Or,
>what did they do to save said game company?

      "It is the Secret Service. Most people know them as the group that
protects our political leaders. SJG was working on a cyberpunk/hacker
game. My understnding of it is that nothing in the game told you how to 
actually do anything that could be considered breaking into anything.
With a unsigned warrant, the Secret Service raided the company and took
the manuscript for the game, a computer with game rules on it, dice, and
several other things. I wonder what country they thought they were in when
they used an *unsigned* search warrant. A *very* illegal manouver !" 

>ignorantly yours,
>sjs
>It's not irrelevant; it's a hippopotamus.   sjane@BNR.CA

   "To the best of my knowledge, nothing has been returned and no trial
occurred..." DJ.

-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science
 jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
  "Is it the weekend yet ?" me :-)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: Words
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:04:11 GMT

splash offers alfvaen and co. (including kitten)

>>: "A hug?"

>>Alfvaen proffers kitten a hug too.  "I mean, what the heck...why not..."

>Well, while we're at it ... hug three  :-)

>Splash!

>BTW Alfvaen, what do you (did you?) think of "Job"?  Fun eh?

kitten grins...."the more hugs the better, i always say...

not to start a heinlein flame war (goddess forbid), but we haven't had
one in awhile...._job_ is the only heinlein i didn't care for...."

kitten giggles and ducks out of the way of flying heinlein comments

--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson

Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: sjg@terminator.cc.umich.edu (Susan Gavula)
Subject: Re: click!
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 12:26:13 GMT

In article <Bvt023.BnL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
>kitten and doug converse...
and Susan comments
>[  ]
>
>>> and he would NEVER be condescending to a differently abled person...
>
>>Do not use the phrase 'differently abled'.  It is nonsense.  My
>>father has been in a wheelchair for almost 30 years now, and
>>he would be the first to tell you that he is downright handicapped.
>
>kitten:
>i KNEW this....and i know your opinion of the term...i use it from
>habit more than anything else...(however, if he functions in other
>ways he is NOT handicapped...he just can't walk.  if he doesn't
>function then he is handicapped) 
>
Me:
Habit?  You mean that there are people who actually expect you to
use that phrase?  Yikes...

and sorry to nit-pick, but ...From the American Heritage Dictionary:
"Handicap: a disadvantage or deficiency, esp. a physical or mental
disability that prevents or restricts normal achievement."

I guess for me the important thing is just that people see me as I
am.  I have to use a wheelchair to get around, but that doesn't make
me any less of a person than anyone else here. 
>--
>***************************************************************************
>conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
>"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
>                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
>"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
>to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson
>
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: In honor of actually reading a few messages in this group again...
Date: 8 Oct 1992 20:15:03 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <ceotBXu00WB48N0H91@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Steven M. Stadnicki" <ss7m+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>On another note:  Are there still occasionally RL Callahanian gatherings?

Yes.

>Particularly, are there any on the left coast,

Yes, but in the Bay area.

>LA area?

Not so far to the best of my knowledge, though there are now, I think, at least
6 Callahanians (one possibly former, one lurking last I heard), counting
yourself, in the area:
	You, me, Abner, Soprano, Skeeve (lurking) and Deadrunner (MIA, though I
		spotted her in alt.stagecraft recently)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: visiting LA at the end of February (was Re: In honor of...)
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:51:29 GMT

In article <1beh2uINNi35@gap.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>StM looks (what else?) confused.  "You mean you're going to visit Grant down in
>San Diego?" he asks.  He turns serious for a moment and cautions, "Los Angeles
>in late February can get pretty chilly (well, not compared to Chicago [or is it
>Michigan?  Your sig and your return address don't match], of course).   Be
>prepared for temperatures in the 40s, or, better still, ask about the weather
>just before setting out."

   "back when I went to Boot camp. I was given the choice of going to Great
Lakes Boot Camp and shoveling snow or going to NTC at San Diego and standing 
in the rain... I chose the rain, " DJ.

-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science
 jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
  "Is it the weekend yet ?" me :-)
From: steve@Advansoft.COM (Steve Savitzky)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Colorful Phrases
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:04:56 GMT
	<1992Oct6.164856.29245@cs.mcgill.ca>
	<1992Oct6.200659.21071@nntp.uoregon.edu> <BvqE9H.CpH@cs.columbia.edu>
Followup-To: alt.callahans
Organization: Advansoft Research Corp, Santa Clara, CA

In article <BvqE9H.CpH@cs.columbia.edu> korz@cs.columbia.edu (Frederick Korz) writes:

  Frood pops in,

  "Oh, like swatting flys with a sledgehammer?"

"I've always preferred an elephant gun," says the Mandelbear.  "A
phrase which I think may be original with me is 'the left half of
forever' to denote a long period of waiting."
--
\ --Steve Savitzky--  \    343 Leigh Ave   \ Object-oriented software wizard
 \ steve@advansoft.COM \ San Jose, CA 95128 \ 
  \ arc!steve@apple.COM \   h:408-294-6492   \
   \__ steve@arc.UUCP _____ w:408-727-3357x246 (9am-6pm) _____________________
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