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From: alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex)
Subject: Re: Summary Mon 8/31/92
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Distribution: world,usa,na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:24:25 GMT

In article <mykes.0dd7@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:

>> 	No, the democratic party line is that short term capital gains only
>> help the rich. Both the democratic congress and Bill Clinton favor a cut
>> in long term capital gains, and we could even have had that by now, except
>> that Bush threatened to veto anything but an across the board cut.
>>
>
>Wrong.  No long term capitals gains tax cut bill has been passed by congress
>in the last 4 years.  Bush never made such a veto threat.  The only things
>he has threatened to veto are bills with targeted tax hikes as added baggage.

	You are correct in that congress never sent the bill to the white 
house. Both the house and senate approved separate bills that included a 
long term capital gains cut, Bush indicated that he would not sign any bill
that didn't cut short term capital gains as well, and the bills were never
reconsiled because the votese wern't there to override a veto.

	Bush was clear, though, no cut if it was restricted to long term gains.
I imagine that he felt that signing the bill would ruin his chance of ever
cutting short term capital gains, so he held out for the big prize.

	Clinton has campaigned for a cut in long term gains, and I would
be surprised if it didn't happen in the first year, as an incentive for 
the economy.

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witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. - Pat Robertson 1992
From: tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Campaign  strategy
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:38:35 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Bush could call  out to voters in a new plea:  "Why  would you want to vote
for Governor whose  state has no professional football team, no basketball
team?  I'm going to do to Governor Clinton what The Citadel did to the
Arkansas Razorbacks."

Just think, all of those  sports fans saying,  "yeah, he's right."

Ted Kalivoda
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From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Subject: Re: Clinton, draft dodger.  YUP!
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:50:19 GMT

art@world.std.com (Al Thompson) writes:
>I don't know if Quayle was a good lawyer or a bad one, but if you listen
>to Ted Kennedy you'll come off with the idea that he was a pretty damned
>good Senator.   Kennedy actually said that.

    I guess it takes one to know one, eh? I don't wish to detract from your 
point, but I can't say that I would consider Ted Kennedy to be the best 
judge of what makes someone a good legislator. Maybe he just admires the 
way Dan holds his liquor.

--
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From: hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey)
Subject: Re: Slick Willie strikes again
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:52:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.142314.26388@news.unomaha.edu>
   kkrueger@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kurt Krueger) writes:
>
>I normally avoid pejoratives, and it once was that I always spoke of "Gov.
>Clinton" not just "Clinton," but after seeing the Artful Dodger take his
>own quotes and those of others and carefully replace key words to change
>the meanings, I have come to the conclusion "Slick Willie" is accurate.
>Yesterday I heard him say, almost verbatim, "Someone even said we need a
>religious war.  We don't need a religious war..."  Obviously he was refer-
>ring to Pat Buchanan because Mr. Buchanan was maligned for these lines in
>his convention speech:
>
>     My friends, this election is about much more than who gets what. It is
>  about who we are. It is about what we believe, it is about what we stand
>  for as Americans. There is a religious war going on in our country for the
>  soul of America. It is a cultural war, as critical to the kind of nation
>  we will one day be -- as was the Cold War itself.
>
>Clearly Mr. Buchanan never said "we need a religious war."  He said "there
>is a religious war."  No matter what you think about the fact that there
>is or is not such a war, you must admit it's pretty slick of Clinton to
>twist Mr. Buchanan's words as he did.

That's exactly what he said, he just used more words.  Look at the text.
First, "There is a religious war going on in our country...."  Here's
the religious war statement.  Next, "It is a cultural war..."  Now he is
equating the religious war with the cultural war.  Finally, "... as
critical to the kind of nation we will one day be -- as was the Cold War
itself."  He was exhorting how much we needed to fight this war, how
necessary this war was for this country.

You sound like one of the Republican apologists.  "Oh I know that's what
they *said*, but it's not what they meant."

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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Summary Mon 8/31/92
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Date: 4 Sep 92 19:14:16 PST
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In article <1992Sep3.145127.21402@umbc3.umbc.edu> alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex) writes:
> In article <1884@celia.UUCP>, steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree) writes:
>
> |>  So how do you compare the government allowing an industry to operate more
> |> often with a capital gains tax cut. I thought the standard democratic line
> |> was that a capital gains tax cut only helped the rich.
>
> 	No, the democratic party line is that short term capital gains only
> help the rich. Both the democratic congress and Bill Clinton favor a cut
> in long term capital gains, and we could even have had that by now, except
> that Bush threatened to veto anything but an across the board cut.
>

Wrong.  No long term capitals gains tax cut bill has been passed by congress
in the last 4 years.  Bush never made such a veto threat.  The only things
he has threatened to veto are bills with targeted tax hikes as added baggage.
That's the whole point about the line-item veto, alex.  Let him sign the
part that grants the tax cut and veto the added baggage.

Skip the misinformation, please.


> --
>                                Alex Crain::UMBC Academic Computing Services
> The feminist agenda is a socialist, anti-family political movement that
> encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice
> witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. - Pat Robertson 1992

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From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: At last, a conservative comic strip!
Originator: rja@redwood26
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Distribution: usa
Date: 9 Sep 92 09:41:08 CDT


In article <b0rns+h.jrs@netcom.com>, jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer) writes:
> Well, I don't know if I would call it a *conservative* strip, but the 
> BC comic strip has had a couple of zingers recently that conservatives
> would like. Last week Wiley was sitting by a tree writing a poem about
> how when the Supreme Court Justices find themselves in Heaven trying 
> to explain their rulings against prayer and such they'd look in the 
> Constitution and find nothing there to support them.

Ho Ho, Ha Ha...  Your cracking me up... :-)

I guess it takes someone that can't find the first amendment to
truly appreciate the humor.
>                                                      The poem was 
> much better phrased that this explanation, though.

I'll take your word for it.

> Today's strip (9/8) has patient BC asking psychiatrist Peter "how can 
> you tell if you're mind starts to go?" Peter replies "it's hard 
> to say ... there is only one *sure* sign - you will start to do jokes
> about Dan Quayle."

I thought it when you start to believe Rush.  :-)

> I've liked Johnny Hart for almost 15 years. Now I know why!

Shhhhh, not so loud.  The Buchanan Brigade might "out" you... :-)

-- 
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------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
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From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: Clinton, draft dodger.  YUP!
Originator: rja@redwood26
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Distribution: usa, na
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:21:55 CDT


In article <LARRY.92Sep9091330@peak.psl.nmsu.edu>, larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way) writes:
> The mention of Hanoi Jane reminds me of a bumper sticker we saw:
> 
> 	Nuclear power plants are built better than Jane Fonda.
> 
> Slapped on the same bumper, right below it, was another:
> 
> 	But which would you rather spend the night with?

In the Metrodome during last years World Series:

	See Ted.
	See Jane.
	See Ted and Jane.
	Lose.

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------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
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From: david@uncle.cmhnet.org
Subject: Re: Clinton, draft dodger. YUP!
Organization: U.N.C.L.E.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:11:17 GMT



...all of which has nothing to do if someone can do the job or not.

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From: art@world.std.com (Al Thompson)
Subject: Re: Clinton Screws Up!  Quayle follows!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
	<1992Sep9.161142.1542@umbc3.umbc.edu>
	<1992Sep10.062015.28705@news.ysu.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:54:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.062015.28705@news.ysu.edu> ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) writes:


[...]
   Perhaps, but I've never seen a tomohawk missle drop down a chimney...
   And I wasn't aware that a knoledge of weponry was a part of "foreign policy".

Knowledge of weaponry is important to foreign policy.  What do you think
they talk about at SALT negotiations.

Even if I grant you it isn't important to foreign policy it surely is
important to the Commander in Chief.

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From: schlegel@cwis.unomaha.edu (Mark Schlegel)
Subject: rush's address on compuserve for tv show comments
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: USA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:22:46 GMT


I noticed some people want to send comments to Rush about his show but
don't know how to get them to him.  You can send them to his compuserve
account at:

                70277.2502@compuserve.com
                

Mark
schlegel@unomaha.edu
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From: shapiro@trade.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro)
Subject: jane fonda
Organisation: SKS Computer Consulting, Inc.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA
Date:  9 SEP 92 11:01:48 EST


re: Jane going to Vietnam for her convictions

Sure, where and when she WASN'T in a position where death was a viable reality.
Plus, she used those convictions to espouse the Vietnamese rhetoric and
propoganda.

Remember when years later she recanted her efforts?

There are not many things worse than a misguided zealot.

Just because one has convictions and is willing to act upon them doesn't mean
that they are any 'better' than someone whose convictions are different or
their methods of implementing them are different.

For example, did you ever consider that maybe someone felt that the war in
Vietnam was wrong, and that the protection of American citizens was proper?
Someone like that would have the conviction to join the national guard so that
in time of civil unrest, they could protect American citizens from an actual,
personal threat rather than from some 'conceptualized' thread 5,000 miles away.

So now you tell me, in 1992, what is Jane Fonda's legacy of her involvement in
Vietnam?

Regards,
Steve.

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From: dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: UNDENIABLE TRUTHS OF LIFE
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:24:27 GMT
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

hey

could anybody e-mail me a copy of rush's undeniable truth's
of life????

also, if anybody has the lyrics to "We Use Our Wealth"
please send them as well!

thanks a bunch!


don wedding
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From: alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex)
Subject: Re: Clinton, draft dodger. YUP!
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:59:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.070350.16239@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>>...all of which has nothing to do if someone can do the job or not.
>
>Like being Commander in Chief?

	I doubt seriously whether the CEO of ford can tell the difference 
between a milling machine and a lathe. I'm not a weapons expert, but I do
think that there is a difference between a laser guided bomb and a cruise
missle. Maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't really matter, it's not a big deal
anyway. Clinton thinks that patriots can fly through doorways, bush things
that pearl harbor day is on SEPT. 7, Quayle thinks that DDT is an aids
drug, and none of these are particularly relevent to being president.

	By all means, make hay of the gaffe if you don't like Clinton, but
don't pretend that it's anything more then an oral typo, it makes you look
like a knee jerk fool. Then again, this *is* alt.rush-limbaugh, so this is
probably asking a lot.

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The feminist agenda is a socialist, anti-family political movement that 
encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice 
witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. - Pat Robertson 1992
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton, draft dodger. YUP!
Date: 14 Sep 92 05:59:52 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <1992Sep11.174139.4942@lsil.com> mitch@lsil.com writes:
>In article 115353MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu, MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu (Norman St. John Polevaulter) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep10.070350.16239@usl.edu>, das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel
>>A) says:
>>>In article <1992Sep7.191117.13377@uncle.cmhnet.org> david@uncle.cmhnet.org
>>>writes:
>>>>...all of which has nothing to do if someone can do the job or not.
>>>Like being Commander in Chief?
>>Yup. Exactly. You catch on quick.
>>Ronald Reagan, for example, got out of the WWII draft, spending the war making
>>movies in Hollywood. I presume you don't think that made HIM unfit to be
>>Commander in Chief, do you?
>
>RR had as much foreign policy experience as Bill Clinton does too.  

At the VERY least, don't you think the country would be better led
by a Commander in Chief who _did_ actively want to servein the Army,etc.?

Besides, Reagan got to fight Peace Protestors.  :-)



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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton, draft dodger. YUP!
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In article <1992Sep3.133427.18690@tamsun.tamu.edu> fred@johnd.tamu.edu (Fred Seals 5-2298) writes:
> Let us look at the difference between Dan Quayle and Bill Clinton:
>
> Dan Quale:
>
> 1)	Did he avoid going to Viet Nam?				Yes
> 2)	Did he lie to his draft board?				No
> 3)	Did he lie to get into ROTC?				No
> 4)	Did he say he "loathed" the military?			No
> 5)	Did he base his actions on how it would impact
> 	his future "political viability"?			No
> 6)	Did he dodge service to his country?			Yes
>

Yes and no.  He served in the national guard.


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From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Far Right's New "Bill of Rights"
Date: 8 Sep 92 02:59:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1992Sep7.111021.2245@afit.af.mil> jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer) writes:
>May I ask how forfeiture laws have come to be blamed on conservatives?
>This law was passed by the Congress in it's on-going effort to fight
>the drug war.  It had broad bipartisan support.  The Supreme Court
>upheld its legality.  Does *everything* have to be pinned on one side or
>the other?  Can't we do anything as a country anymore?

Not with a President who blames _every_ problem the country has
on Congressional Democrats. 

Harry Truman's Desk Sign: "The buck stops here."
George Bush's Desk Sign: "The buck stops at the building with the dome."
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From: slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer)
Subject: Re: Cruise missiles and smart bombs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:02:14 GMT

stecher@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (Jack Stecher) writes:

>In article <BuC4wA.Gqo.2@cs.cmu.edu> msm@mse.cmu.edu (Mark S McWhinney) writes:
>>> [stuff deleted], but when Bill 'I lied
>>>to the draft board' Clinton says Patriot missiles can go through cracks
>>>and down chimney, like we all saw on TV, the national news does not say
>>>it.
>>>(And he thinks he should be in charge of the military!?)
>>
>>Good old Dan heard this and just couldn't help but rush in to say
>>something stupid too. He said that they weren't Patriot missiles, they
>>were cruise missiles. (The correct answer is smart bombs.)

>Alas, Mr. McWhinney is a victim of the liberal media.  Governor Clinton
>had remarked on Patriot missiles knocking out doors and going through
>chimneys.  Quayle corrected to say cruise missiles, which WERE used to
>knock out doors.

Absolutely correct.  My old roommate worked on McDonell Douglas's SLAM
production line, putting together the guidance bundles for it (the 
Sea-Launched Air Missile, is what it stands for, I think).  They got 
personal screenings of the videotapes before the press got them, along
with the thanks of the Navy and Air Force for wonderful work that saved 
a lot of American lives.  The missiles knocked on doors, blew through
air shafts, and generally made life miserable for the Iraqi military.

>Of course, smart bombs went through the chimneys, but the reports that the
>Vice President was wrong were intellectually dishonest.  Had Quayle said
>that Clinton meant smart bombs, the commies in the media would deride him
>for not knowing about cruise missiles.

Cruise missiles were targeted on air shafts, doors, windows, in short, any
weak spot in a building's construction.  They were designed to be able to
"flare" upward after ground-hugging their way in, so they could go down
chimneys if need be.

>>By the way, "mispelling" has two "s".

>Try "s's" (or, if you're especially persnickity, "esses").

>>Instead of listening to Rush (aka Mr. 4F) talk about the need to cut
>>down the Godless forests or why we should cut off food to Africa until
>>they learn their lesson, you could attend some classes.

>Indeed.

Was the Africa comment supposed to be some sort of sick "conservative bait"?

Steve Kellmeyer
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From: eric@wdl35.wdl.loral.com (Eric Kuhnen)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Scarey tag line...
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:07:12 GMT
Distribution: world,usa,na,alt
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs

tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin) writes:
>>jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer) writes:
>>John Switzer               | 50 years from now, nobody will
>>                           | remember Candice Bergen or Murphy
>>74076.1250@Compuserve.com  | Brown, but every school kid will
>>jrs@netcom.com             | be taught about President Quayle.
>If Quayle every became president,  then the quote would undoubtably be
>true.
>Quick, of the following Roman emperors,  which names do you recognize:
>Octavian:  Ruthless, hard working, consicenous
>Antonius Pius:  Diliegent, religious, a good emperor
>Caligula:  A coward, who vainly splashed at the sea side and exhorted
>	the legions to go die for his beliefs,  a person of no great
>	intellect, who helped to destroy the Julio-Claudian tradition.
>Yup - if the Nation ever sinks to such depths that we elect Mr Potatoe
>Head,  I'm sure that the school kids will read about his presidency.

Put Quayle up against Al Gore then.  Quayle would put an 'e' at the end of
"potato" but he has more common sense than to write an apocalyptic book about
the environment.  Not Gore, who wrote such a book using data he gathered in
a decidedly unscientific manner.

Mr. Quayle may not be a graduate of the Emily Post Finishing School, but his
common sense on the issues that really matter suggest that his presidency 
would be characterized by reason and sound judgment.

Eric
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