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From: 00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Chief? O'Brien
Date: 11 Jan 93 02:29:10 GMT
Organization: Ball State University

In article <1993Jan8.173644.16864@umr.edu>, S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu writes:
> Something to chew on on the O'Brien rank discussion.
> 
> Perhaps O'Brien was a CPO and was promoted to Warrent Officer (W-1) or
> (less likely) was a Warrent Officer (or CPO) and was promoted to ensign.
> Do you actually have to attend Starfleet's version of OCS to become an
> officer?  (Ol' Weasely Crusher didn't...boy, I bet that pissed off a lot
> of senior enlisted personnel!)
> 
Ok... I got the little cards that Impel put out and I'll write the back
of O'Brien's out...

Miles O'Brien	Rank: Lieutenant Junior Grade

A native of Ireland (Earth), "Chief" Miles O'Brien is the person in charge
of the maintainence and operation of the transporter system of the USS
Enterprise.  O'Brien was previously assigned as the tactical officer on the
USS Rutledge under the command of Capt. Benjamin Maxwell.  His first 
assignment on the USS Enterprise was CONN operator on the Battle Bridge.  He
was married to Keiko Ishikawa by Captain Picard, and they now have a 
daughter, Molly.
 
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:54:55 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1993Jan4.183322.5314@news.acns.nwu.edu> meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky) writes:
>Hey, Riker's is only in his mid to late thirties. From what we've seen so  
>far, this is still young for a captain. Riker can should still be able to  
>advance in rank (though he may not gain command of a starship).

Starfleet has offered Riker THREE commands of his own (all of which he's
refused).  Apparently Starfleet doesn't think he's too young.  (For that
matter, Christopher Pike, James Kirk and the young woman from "Conspiracy" all
appeared to be as young or younger than Riker.)

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

"Beauty... survives."
				- James T. Kirk, "That Which Survives"
From: cw@carson.u.washington.edu (Cheryl Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Quote Me on this if you Like ...
Date: 10 Jan 93 07:30:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1iojalINNp7r
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <1993Jan8.201645.46244@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> gimble@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (David Caruso II) writes:
>	I don't know what I have to gain by saying this, but I predict that 
>*Star Trek: Deep Space Nine* is going to be somewhat of a failure and not
>last too long ... maybe two seasions at the most.
>	The major reasons being, right now, that the plot devices aren't
>adequate; [deleted]
I don't know, I know of many non-trekkers AND people lukewarm on st:tng
who REALLY liked the pilot.  Plus, while the E is big on techie plot
devices, the people at DS9 have to do more with less, and will have much
more sustained conflict with the variety of alien cultures stuck in one
place.  
 >  Plus, cost of production is too great.  
Possible, but I remember that comment about TNG too.
[deleted for your speed reading enjoyment]

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> David Caruso II                               Email: gimble@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu

Additional commentary:  Cheryl Walker cw@u.washington.edu
   Semper ubi sub ubi, y'all!
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Subject: ---< DS9: Emissary >--- *SPOILERS*
From: mneylon@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Michael Neylon)
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:46:37 EST

Well,well,well....

I am IMPRESSED....

From the looks of the show, DS9 is going to be a big hit.  Here are some things
that I noticed in this show that I wish the writers had to sense to use in
'Encounter at Farpoint' for the TNG premeire...

-The commander's history:  The part about his wife dying at Wolf 359, raising
his son alone, his original hatred of Picard, and the unwillingness to take 
the command of the station.  This is GREAT character background, and along
with the wormhole stuff, we have a pretty good picture of him.

-the Bagoran second-in-command: Again, her feelings for the Cardasian/Bagoran
war, her feelings on leadership all help shape (and do I mean 'shape'!) her 
character on the show.

-Placing the show in a timescale with TNG.  As all prob. noticed, it takes 
place 3 years after the Wolf attack, placing it even with the 6th season of TNG.
In fact, if the stardates are correct, then this takes place after CoC, while 
the Big-E is by the Cardasian border.  

-The existance of the wormhole race:  Combining elements from 2001 and 
}iNeuromancer, this almost completely defined what the race is, and the 
existance in our universe.

-The conflicts with the Cardasian, and what their motive is for attacking 
Bagora.

-The other members of the crew:  we are given just enough background for
all of them such that their actions can usually be explained.

All in all, a great show.  As others have said before me, Gene would have
been proud of it..
-- 
Michael Neylon   aka Masem the Great and Almighty Thermodynamics GOD!
      //         | Senior, Chemical Engineering, Univ. of Toledo
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From: chan4@husc11.harvard.edu (Derek Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9-Spoilers!!!!!!!
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:23:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan6.072325.19038
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Um......question, I've been seeing posts saying that a post was created for 
Ensign Ro, but another person is playing the part.  Did Forbes decide not
to play to part, because I read in an old Cinemafantastique that she would
play in DS9....

-- 

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| Derek V. Chan                                          Harvard University    |
Xref: sparky rec.arts.startrek.current:22208 rec.arts.startrek.tech:7228
From: tallman@ailanthus.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: DS9: information needed (SPOILERS! SPOILERS! here be SPOILERS!)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 02:06:32 EDT
Reply-To: tallman@ailanthus.com (Robert Oliver)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

I am looking for the names and NCC numbers of the ships involved in the 
Wolf 359 battle in "Emissary". My copy isn't good enough to make out the 
details. The best I can do is get NCC-31?? from the Saratoga (which I 
noticed is a modified Miranda, missing the weapons roll bar but having 
other protusions near the warp nacelles). Please e-mail if you are 
*positive* you know anything helpful.

........
Robert Oliver, tallman@ailanthus.com
via Ailanthus Project +1 207-989-6562 - Brewer, Maine.
........
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From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Alex "Mystic" Soto)
Subject: Re: Linear Time
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:40:19 GMT

JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu writes:
>indicated, is the aliens' final comment to Sisko -- "Why do you exist HERE?"
>and Sisko's insight into what the aliens were trying to say and into what
>his personal problems were.  You have to shift your focus from Physics to
>Psychology.  All of our experiences exist simultaneously in our minds.
>That is not to say that we experience them all at the same time, but that
>we can jump from one to another in no particular order and they all
>influence us all of the time.  Even as Sisko was carrying out his regular
>activities, in some sense he was still on the Saratoga as it was being
>destroyed.  So, we can infer that the aliens experience reality in the
>same way.  Their experiences exist simultaneously and they can
>shift between them at will.  That does not mean that new experiences aren't
>added to this mix, we continuously add new memories to our mental reality

I agree that the point of view  is psychological.  To me the question "Why
do you exist HERE?"  Was questioning why he hasn't moved on from that point
that occurred in his past - he still has it locked in him (obviously shown
when he encounters Capt. Picard).

I don't agree with your inference however.  You seem to be saying that we 
experience our experiences one or even several at a time and that they always
affect/influence us.  But surely these aliens cannot be the same.  You 
cannot say that some memories affect them now and some later b'cse there is
no now and later.  All their experience is with them always.  They have nothing
actually to affect/influence since their is no change in time.  ( I explained
this better a couple of minutes ago - too bad my system crashed before I could
save what I had written).  In essence, the aliens do not experience reality as
we experience it at all!  What has me puzzled is the following:  Have the aliens
always existed without time.  Were they just advanced and took themselves out
of time and then forgot what linear time was - or have they always existed
like this - if so, would that mean that they existed before the big bang (t=0)
or did they come after.  It seems likely that they are from another universe.

	Mystic
(alex.soto@analog.com)

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: dsohl@spock.uucp (Daniel Sohl)
Subject: Re: Question:  Where is Keiko?
Keywords: O'Brien Keiko DSN TNG
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:03:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.162212.14216@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> juodvalk@quanta.eng.ohio-state.edu (Vincent V. Juodvalkis) writes:
>
>Does anyone know what happened to Keiko?
>
>I am fairly sure that I have seen all the TNG episodes this year,
>but I cannot recollect any reason for O'Brien to be leaving the
>Enterprise without Keiko.  Did they split up or something?
>
>I missed the very beginning of DS9 last night, so I am hoping that
>it was covered there.  Any info would be greatly appreciated.

O'Brian said at the beginning of DS9 that Keiko had taken one look at the mess
on the station and went to spend the week at her mother's house (or something
like that). My impression is that she'll be back next episode.
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From: jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu (James Gasaway)
Subject: Re: Vulcan Captain??? (Major Mistake!!!)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: NCSA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:52:38 GMT

In article <abick.726386491@cunews>, abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan
Bick) wrote:
> 
> 
> The moment I saw the Vulcan captain on the Saratoga (sp?) my mind went
> crazy! I knew I had seen him somewhere, and I couldn't figure it out until
> practically the end of the show. Everytime he showed up, I got a little
> closer to figuring it out until it finally clicked... he was the guy
> seating next to the Admiral when Wesley was explain the "accident" at Star
> Fleet Academy!
> 
> Now how the hell did the captain die at Wolf 359 and then show up at the
> Academy. I find it hard to believe that anyone escaped Wolf 359 (The Borg
> were pretty thorough.) but Emissary made it pretty clear that the Vulcan
> was dead. Have I overlooked anything?
> 
> Alan Bick

Gee, maybe they just used the same actor for a different character?

James
jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu
University of Illinois @ Urbana/Champaign
From: lynns@informix.com (Lynn Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Data's Cat Poem Wanted!
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:36:31 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

Are there any cat lovers out there who watched a recent eposode of
Star Trek: The Next Generation, and heard Lt. Data's hysterical
poem about his cat? The episode was the one where Rikker, Data, Warf,
and others are abducted by aliens for some medical experiments. (The
one where Rikker's arm is amputated and re-attached without his
knowledge).

If so (if you taped it), could you post or email the poem? I thought
it was classic!
 
-Lynn
lynns@informix.com
From: A.M.T.Bell@daresbury.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell,G2,3123,homephone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Royal address (was Re: Calling Women "Sir")
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:21:12 GMT
Reply-To: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

In article JHK@cs.dal.ca, lazarus@ug.cs.dal.ca (Chuck Turner) writes:
>In article <1iset7INN2v7@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> bgahl@scuba.EBay.Sun.COM (Robert Gahl SunSoft DPT Software Engineer) writes:
>>I can tell that most of the people commenting on this particular
>>subject haven't spent a single moment in the military. That said,
>>here are some facts (as opposed to opinions). When talking to a
>>female officer of a superior rank, I always started off by calling
>>them "Ma'am." On two separate occasions I was redressed for using
>>such a term and was told, in no uncertain terms, that I should refer
>>to them as "Sir." So, here in this primitive century, the female
>>recipient made the choice.
>
>Well, its just the opposite in the Canadian Military.  During my stint in the
>infantry, we were always to call female officers "ma'am".  The only time
>this was changed was when I met my Regimental Commander in Chief, Princess
>Margaret.  When speaking to her, I was to address her as "Your Majesty" the 
>first time, and then "ma'am" thereafter. 
>
>I guess the Commonwealth isn't quite so primitive. 
>
>						- Chuck 
> _______________________________________ 
>|                                       | '..err..of course I suck blood.' 
>| "--whether you are quiet and ALIVE or | 'I don't believe you.' 
>| quiet and DEAD makes no difference to | 'I've got a straw right here PAL! 
>| Cerebus."                             |  You want a demonstration?!'
>|       - Cerebus the Aardvark          |                   - The Tick 
>|_______________________________________| Chuck Turner -> lazarus@ug.cs.dal.ca


I know this is nothing to do with Trek but the correct form of address for
Princess Margaret is Her Royal Highness, only her big sister (Queen) and her
mother (Queen Mother) can be called Her Majesty. When Charles becomes King
he will be called His Majesty.

we now return you to your usual Star Trek discussion.


tony bell                 ! keep on running   live long and prosper
serc daresbury laboratory ! "back off man, i'm a scientist"
atb@uk.ac.dl.gserv1       ! bill murray - ghostbusters
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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Deep Review 9: "The Emissary" (SPOILERS)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:43:23 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz):
>Even Kirk had a back door.  What would have happened if the wormhole hadn't
>opened up at that moment?  The station and everyone in it would have been
>destroyed.  And for what?  Nothing except the need for revenge of one woman.

Didn't anyone but me notice that, just as the wormhole reopened, she
lowered her head with a look of defeat and got O'Brien's attention?
She _was_ going to surrender to save the station!  Her initial stance
was _just_ a bluff... that's why O'Brien said that he didn't want to
play [name of generic game] against her.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
  "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
   want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagels to my face /
   and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"
From: bgahl@scuba.EBay.Sun.COM (Robert Gahl SunSoft DPT Software Engineer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Calling Women "Sir"
Date: 11 Jan 1993 18:39:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Federal, Milpitas, CA.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: scuba.eng.sun.com

I can tell that most of the people commenting on this particular
subject haven't spent a single moment in the military. That said,
here are some facts (as opposed to opinions). When talking to a
female officer of a superior rank, I always started off by calling
them "Ma'am." On two separate occasions I was redressed for using
such a term and was told, in no uncertain terms, that I should refer
to them as "Sir." So, here in this primitive century, the female
recipient made the choice.

I never heard of any female pleebs/underclassmen get pissed at being
referred to as "Mister," but I'm sure the ones that did said so, and
were correctly addressed. They, on the other hand, were more often
referred to as Cadet SuchandSuch, or Lt. SuchandSuch.
---
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SunSoft DPT Software Engineer |UUCP:  ...[about anywhere]!sun!bgahl
"But nothing's predictable in this tough, harsh, highly competitive
 world where today's champion is tomorrow's crocodile shit." Monty Python
From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Keiko?  THE ANSWER
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:03:11 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1ii1u6INNp9h@umbc8.umbc.edu>, ac999239@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999239) writes:
|> It's clear O'Brien is now on DS9, but where is his wife and kid? Are they
|> staying on the Enterprise or are they with him and jyst haven't been seen.
|> 
|> I don't remember any mention of this during the episode unless I wasn't paying
|> close attention.

 Okay, here is THE ANSWER!

 When O'Brien takes Commander Sisko and son to their quarters, upon 
 entering O'Brien says:

 "When my wife Keiko saw our quarters, she started talking about
  visiting her mother on Komogo (sp?)"

 There, that's it.  Keiko is on the station in her quarters
 either cleaning up like everyone else or packing to go visit
 her mom.

 Of course, she could have already packed and thumbed a ride
 on the Big E.  Gee, won't O'Brien be surprised.

 TRAVIS
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: davidc@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com
Subject: Re: DS9 Grade Report: "Emissary"
Organization: Lockheed Sanders, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:13:41 GMT

In article <rawdon.726734690@cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:

Spoilers for the DS9 episode, "Emissary"...

























>X-News: rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com rec.arts.startrek.current:22335
>From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
>Subject:DS9 Grade Report: "Emissary"
>Date: 11 Jan 93 06:44:50 GMT
>Message-ID:<rawdon.726734690@cs.wisc.edu>

>The wormhole is a fine idea, really.  What I DIDN'T like was the
>aliens-inside-the-wormhole phenomenon, which was really handled amazingly
>poorly.  The concept of beings which don't exist in linear time is quite good,
>really.  However, there are plenty of unanswered questions about them.  Why do
>they live in the wormhole?  

My theory: If a wormhole is a 'gate' which can transport you from point A to
point B in an instant...a trip which would normally take a very long time. 
Than while you are in the wormhole, you exist in every location from point A to
point B; as well as in every 'instant' it would normally take.  Seeing as you
exist in every instant, at once.  Because you exist in every instant all at
once, there is no way of measuring one moment to the next, or even seeing it
occur.

The entire concept of non-linear time (to me) needed to be explained.  For
example, if they don't understand the idea that each moment molds the next. 
Because each moment happens at once.  Then why didn't they just let him go when
he first got there?  because they were going to anyhow!

>... And then there
>are smaller points which didn't make any sense: Why did they return Dax to DS9
>and not Sisko?

Good question.  We were wondering about that ourselves.  When they first
'captured' Sisko, they said something about (not a quote) co-existing, or that
they searched out others who wanted to co-exist.  Dax, as a joined species,
does co-exist.  While Sisko on the otherhand dwelled on Jennifer's death, which
happened during the war.  If I remember correctly, they said that he 'lived'
there, as I understood that, it meant dwelled.

>... I sincerely hope that we'll be seeing a LOT of
>the aliens in near-future episodes, because virtually nothing about them was
>explained here.  In final analysis, the aliens seemed an unnecessary
>complication to the story, and one which needs to be MUCH more fully fleshed
>out before it makes any sense.

I agree.  These aliens needed a lot more explaination.

>I was somewhat annoyed by the term "orb" used to describe something that
>looked not at all spherical.  (It looked more like a chalice, to me!)

I agree.  If they used the word Chalice it *still* would have worked!

All-in-all I liked it.  They did leave a lot of the character development for
future episodes, by focusing mainly on the story-line.  So I'll watch a 
few more to see if there's any closure.

Am I the only one to notice that early episodes of TNG, TOS and now DS9 all
focus on what a wonderful species humanoids are?

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From: Bemattison@vaxsar.vassar.edu (Ben Mattison)
Subject: Re: Am I the only person who DIDN'T like DSN??
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Vassar College
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:49:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.025340.12113@netcom.com>, jwells@netcom.com (Court
Jester) wrote:
> However, try going back and watching the premier
>> of The Next Generation, Encounter at Farpoint. While it was good in some
> ways, it was a big joke in others. But they've come a long way since then,
> even after just a few seasons. If you think DS9 is so bad, give it some
> time. In a few seasons, we'll be looking back at its own premier and
> thinking how silly it was. ;-\

Here, here.  The entire first season of TNG had huge problems.  Yes, the
DSN premiere sucked.  But I would argue that it shows more potential that
"Encounter" did. Even Picard wasn't a real character in "Encounter."  See
that heinous scene where he calls in Riker to tell him he doesn't like
children.

Ben Mattison
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From: kerry@griffin.cuc.ab.ca (Kerry Lee)
Subject: Re: Picard's Book.
Organization: Debug Computer Services, Calgary, Alberta
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 06:50:03 GMT

In article <2123.2b46ecca@mbcl.rutgers.edu> wilson@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes:
>
>	My last question was answered so well, that I 
>decided to ask another -- What is the book in Picard's
>Ready Room?  Twice I have seen direct reference to it -
>in "Chain of Command" the replacement captain gives it
>to Picard, and in the episode of the phony historian 
>time travelilng.
I think it is "The Complete Works of William Shakesphere."  This was
shown in the second Q episode(I think)  when Q was quoting passages
from it.

Kerry


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