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From: jbaltz@hebrew.cc.columbia.edu (Jerry B Altzman)
Subject: Re: Chinese Food
Organization: mailer daemons association
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:12:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.160940.10635@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld) writes:
>In article <1gadbvINNmad@morrow.stanford.edu>, aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt) writes:
>|> Hmm. . .well, I think an obvious starting point is that it tastes wicked good.
>|> But one other thing is that Chinese food tends to survive translation to 
>|> kashrut pretty well, since there are no dairy foods involved.  It tends to
>|> require a lot less tinkering than, say, French or Italian foods do to make
>|> them suitable for a kosher home.  
>On the other hand, I've had people show amazement or actually laugh when I 
>happened to mention the existance of Kosher Chinese restaurants.  "How can
>you make Chinese food without shellfish or pork?" is the usual question.

On the third hand, I took (subjected?) an authentic Chinese friend of mine
(who does real Chinese cooking) to a kosher Chinese restaurant in Manhattan
(it was once good but has gone downhill--I won't mention any names) and his
response was:
"There's too much meat--real Chinese food doesn't have this much meat in
it." I guess the restaurant has to know its clientele: a lot of litvaks and
hungarians to whom a meal is just a snack unless there's a large hunk of
animal flesh in front of you :-(

>-- >Elie Rosenfeld 

//jbaltz
jerry b. altzman       Relax, it's all just 1's and 0's       +1 212 854 2057 
jbaltz@columbia.edu                                      jauus@cuvmb (bitnet)
NEVIS::jbaltz (HEPNET)                    ...!rutgers!columbia!jbaltz (bang!)
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:43:14 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Messianics and us?

What to do about the messiah crowd?  a) write up a very detailed, comprehensive
retort to messianic judaism/evangelical christianity including detailed
biblical references as to why JC cannot be the messiah, keep it on file and
post it as a form, and only response to any evangelicals who wander our way.

                                     b) ignore them, do not acknowledge, do not
respond (are we that disciplined?)
                                     c) become evangelical Jews and respond to

the JC crowd by sending them similar stuff telling them why they should convert
to Judaism. If there is an ongoing campaign, start posting our evangelical
message to their newsgroups!         :)
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: An open letter to David Skoll
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:41:38 GMT
Organization: People's Front of Judea


Now, boys, if you can't play nice, you shouldn't play at all.
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"SILENCE = QUIET"
                --Girljock Magazine
From: rlk@think.com (Robert L Krawitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Since the subject came up...
Date: 11 Dec 1992 14:38:31 -0500
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation

I found this elsewhere on the net.  Enjoy!

From: hbcs1010@blurt.oswego.edu
Date: 11 Dec 92 02:11:53 GMT
Organization: SUNY College at Oswego, Oswego, NY

greetings, merry carolers! i just thought i'd throw this in, in
celebration of the season. sing it to the tune of "jingle bells".
						      |\
dashing to the mall                                   | \
on a christmas shopping day,                          |  \
trying to look cheerful                               |   \
as through the nose we pay.                           |    |
						      |
overcrowded malls                                _____|
packed to overflow,                             /     \
we buy stuff and who cares a bit               /       \
if salesmen down we mow?                       \       /
						\_____/
oh! to the malls, to the malls
on christmas eve we go,
fight our way through vicious crowds
and bleed home through the snow.

oh! in the malls, in the malls
we'll drown in christmas cheer,
but saccharine gives you cancer
so go home and have a beer!



enjoy the season!

-diedre

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: rmt51@cas.org (Rick Turkel)
Subject: Re: Halacha
Reply-To: rmt51@cas.org
Organization: S.W.I.G.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:49:11 GMT

In article <3032@israel.nysernet.org>, warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
writes:
|> In <1992Dec11.152141.1597@cas.org> rmt51@cas.org (Rick Turkel) writes:
|> 
|> >The analogy between plumbing and electricity is NOT a valid one.  The
|> >former is an open system, where the water flows from one place to another.
|> >Electricity goes nowhere until a circuit is CLOSED; hence the problem of
|> >"haboneh" or "building."
|> 
|> What if the "building" (circuit) was there before Shabbat (e.g. a few
|> milliamperes are flowing through it), and all one does is increase the
|> current.  Would one say that this is adding a story onto a building?
|> Or is it like closing the door of an existing building - the building
|> is now more effective at keeping out cold and rain, but one hasn't
|> "built" anything new.
|> -- 
|> /|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
|>  |__/__/_/    
|>  |warren@         "WARENS statement in his signature express a Nazi idea."
|> / nysernet.org 			    Gideon Ehrlich

I'm not sure, but at this point you're approaching the realm of (possibly)
keeping the letter of the law but dispensing with its spirit.  CYLOR, or maybe
the Institute for Science and Halacha.
-- 
Rick Turkel           (___  ____ _  _  _  _  _     _  ___   _  _ _  ___
(rmt51@cas.org)           )    |  |  \  )  |/ \     |    |   |  \_)    |
(rmt51@cas.bitnet)       /     | _| __)/   | __)    | ___|_  | _( \    |
      Rich or poor, it's good to have money.        |

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Isaac Balbin)
Subject: Re: The difference between a chasid and a misnagid
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:19:12 GMT

david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann) writes:

>Seriously, there are no more misnagdim in the original usage of the
>term, because the opposition was to supposed violations of Jewish law.
>When the chassidim proved themselves not to be heretical, the
>antagonism largely disappeared and both groups cooperated greatly in
>communal affairs.

Whilst I don't agree with Rav Shach and his Chassidim, they
actually *do* constitute misnagdim today. They *do* believe that Chassidim
(notably, perhaps only, Chabad) are heretical and do violate jewish law.

My Rov tells me (in Yiddish) 

``today? there are no Chassidim and no Misnagdim. I wish there were!''
From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Internet sites in Israel
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:47:02 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <1992Dec16.230859.867@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM>, josh@tara.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Josh Mereminsky) writes:
> Are any of the sites in Israel actually on the Internet?
> 
> (meaning, not just news/mail feeds, but actually able to telnet/ftp to)
> 
> Thanks,
> Josh Mereminsky
> NCR Corporation - E&M San Diego
> josh.mereminsky@SanDiegoCA.ncr.com
> 

Someone on INFO-NETS recently posted statistics on Internet sites by country
and I was surprised to learn that Israel has over 3000 hosts. There are around
7 universities and 4 companies directly on the Internet here as well as a dozen
or so sites on UUCP.


Josh
(I may be in cardiology but my *heart* is in the Internet) :-)
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler)
Subject: Jewish STEREOTYPES - the last time
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:13:29 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

You know, I don't really know what the do's and don'ts are 
about netiquette.  Fine, I won't post anymore  private E-mail.
Now I know.  I'm ready to have a normal debate.  That means you
Mr. Miller, but not M.H. (you know who you are, you're much too intelligent
for me!)

  I was deeply enraged at the fact that NO ONE , not 
one person, supported my views against Jews mocking themselves.
What is wrong with you people!  We are not different from Christians!
We are all human!   If  there is no truth to any of these stereotypes why
do you use them?  What kind of custom is this?  I post a question
about Jewish names and I get loads of Jewish jokes for replies. I ask about
the origin of the Jewish nose myth, and I get nose jokes.   I don't understand.
Christians aren't known for self-mockery nor are Muslims, so where did
we get this recessive trait?

If this is truly a cultural "thing" then I'm ashamed.  How can you expect
non-Jews to respect us, alas stop discrimination, if you can't set the 
example yourselves?  This "you have to laugh at yourself and life " philosophy
is crap.  When it leads to stereotyping and discrimination , it is no longer
innocent "laughing at life".  

Is anyone brave enough to give me a real answer without the idiotic 
self-stereotyping  jokes that I have gotten?


Mitch Kotler
From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Finally- a straight line about noses
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:46:19 GMT
Organization: Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things

mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes: >

>Thank you , Colin, for you answer. It was the only 
>serious one I received.  It saddens me to know that
>so many Jews support this stereotype.  I received
>lots of replies in the form of nose jokes.

Nose jokes?  Who nose any jokes?

--------------------------------------

I sure would hate to see the grindstone.
Is your name Dick?
You must love the little birdies, to give them a place to perch.
You should try wearing something to de-emphasize your nose.  Like Canada.
At least you can please two women at once.

    (These are from _Roxanne_)


-- 
Maddi Hausmann                madhaus@netcom.com
Humorist, Satirist, Tech Writer.  Take your pick.

Centigram Communications Corp, San Jose California  408/428-3553
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Monday, 14 Dec 1992 16:27:04 EST
From: Yaakov Kayman <YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Missionary-inundating (Re: Here we go again)
 <1992Dec11.191138.4735@netcom.com> <1992Dec14.195903.8015@nynexst.com>

In article <1992Dec14.195903.8015@nynexst.com>, schwartz@nynexst.com (Steven
Schwartz) says:
>
>A personal note has a much greater impact than a group posting.
>472 personal notes from 472 people in one's e-mail box have
>an even greater impact.
(in making missionaries of various types leave SCJ, that is.)

Well Steven, you and I make 2. All we need is another 470 or so, and we
can begin. We won't need anything more offensive than "Please DO leave
SCJ." if we have enough people sending the notes. Anyone else game? It
ought to be fun! :-) :-)

>Steven H. Schwartz

Yaakov K. (yzkcu@cunyvm.cuny.edu on the Internet)
From: ptyaxel@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Seymour Axelrod)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Recipes in general
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:16:00 GMT
Organization: SUNY at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec16.194655.18595@ttinews.tti.com>, reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes...
> 
>Two questions about the word itself that I've wondered about for
>years:
> 
>1) "Hamentaschen" looks like a plural.  Does one say "one Hamentasch"?
>2) Does it mean "Haman's hat", or "Haman's pocket"?  I've heard people
>claim both.

1)  "Homentashn" [just another transcription] is indeed the plural of 
Yiddish "homentash".
2)  It means Haman['s] pocket.  I don't know why.

Seymour Axelrod
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Re: If I were Prime Minister
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:48:09 GMT

In article <9212161407.AA29839@helix.nih.gov> <norm@helix.nih.gov(Norm Friedman)
> writes:

>>Don't you want to draw-and-quarter him first?
>>
>>Norman Miller

>Forgot about that, before or after--no difference

I should have known better.  Norman Friedman apparently
thought I agreed to his plan.  I just wanted to make
sure that no one else thinks so.

nm
From: ucakrvb@ucl.ac.uk (Vijay Bhuchar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Messiah Jesus and the Dispersion
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:48:05 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium


A number of you asked me to qualify my remark that the cause 
of the dispersion was the rejection of Jesus.

I am sure that you know there were only 40 years between the cross
and the destruction of the temple.

Consider these Talmud entries:

Yoma 39b: During the last FORTY YEARS before the destruction
of the Temple ... the scarlet thread did not become white, nor 
did the western lamp shine; and the doors of the Holy of Holies 
would fling themselves open of their own accord.

Rosh Hashanah 31b: For the FORTY YEARS before the destruction of the 
Temple the scarlet thread never turned white but it remained red.

Analysis: When the western lamp fails to shine it means that God's
Divine presence the Shechinah has left the Temple.

When the scarlet thread fails to turn white it means the nation
Israel has not been forgiven by God.  As there has been no proper 
Yom Kippur then in the eyes of God Israel has been guilty since that
year.

Try and see beyond the coincidence.

I am curious to see what EXCUSES you crazy Orthodox come up with now.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor)
Subject: Re: s.c.j. mentioned in YEDIOT ACHARONOT
Organization: /usr/local/lib/news/organization
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:37:24 GMT

In article <1ggk9oINN5g3@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> sutin@ra.UCSC.EDU (Brian Sutin) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.223309.70@vms.huji.ac.il> backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>
>>MAZAL TOV ! Soc.culture.jewish was mentioned in an article on the Internet in
>>Friday's YEDIOT ACHARONOT weekend magazine section (pg. 26; byline by Yaron
>>London) 
>
>>Starring:
>
>>Dov Bai
>>Lory Cole
>>Brian Sutin
>
>Holy B'Wana!  I don't think I've posted in three months.  I would like to
>see a copy of this if anyone can send it to me for a reasonable amount of
>postage (or tell me what it says).  I can't imagine what anyone could find
>to quote me for.

I have not seen it myself, but my brother did and he is going to
send me a copy. It said something like "Lori Cole and Brian Sutin 
from the University of California are claiming that Gods attitude to 
women is of a Super-Macho and Dov Bai, a student at Cornell University,
is trying hard to show that God is a feminist...".

I really gave Yaron London too much credit in the past.

>
>Brian Sutin				sutin@lick.ucsc.edu
>Lick Observatory, UCSC			Santa Cruz, CA 95064
>    Fred:   "May I rescue you?"
>    Ginger: "No, thank you.  I prefer being in distress."

Dov

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: Missionary-inundating (Re: Here we go again)
Organization: People's Front of Judea
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:52:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.005405.12973@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
>
>Include me in. I've already sent a civil-yet-hostile note. I've
>also tried to send a polite complaint to his site administrator.
>"sysop" and "sysadmin" both bounced, so I settled for
>"postmaster". His repeated references to the "idiot Orthodox"
>crossed the fine line between offensive and really offensive.

I got this reply from the postmaster:
====================
From: Adrian Barker <ccaaarb@ucl.ac.uk>
Message-Id: <211027.9212151104@uk.ac.bcc.ts>
To: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: Complaint about Vijay Bhuchar (ucakrvb@ucl.ac.uk)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 11:04:31 +0000



We have suspended the account in question while we decide what further
action can be taken.


Adrian Barker, Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

====================
Alas, poor Vijay. I knew him...
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"SILENCE = QUIET"
                --Girljock Magazine
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout)
Subject: Re: Jews, Cincinatti, and the KKK
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:42:23 GMT

>They wanted to put a cross up along with Jewish symbols; the state
>can't arbitrarily decide that one group can present religious symbols
>and another cannot.  If any are allowed, all must be allowed.  In the
>US, you can't lose your rights for having unpopular or offensive political
>views.
>I suggest you study the past German government on the old-time Nazis.
>Hilter and many of his cronies were imprisoned, and various political
>parties were banned; fascist extremist parties got a lot of support
>by being oppressed, and they went underground.  Once a government sets
>itself up to ban political parties, the next one in power can *easily*
>do the same thing for any and all parties it doesn't like.

Yes, I understand your argument.  I just don't see it as a blanket 
statement.  If the state is not allowed to decide what constitutes
racism, then you have no law.  In Canada at least, there is
legitimate ground for prosecution of incitement to racism or hatered.
Besides, the KKK has not registered, as far as I know as a legitimate
party, or as a religion.  I don't see the possibility of the German
government for instance allowing a neo-nazi group setting up one of
their symbols in the central square, at the request of city hall.

The  argument for freedom of speech can not entitle racist manifestations.
That is not the same as saying objectionable speech should not be
legislated against.  

>---
>Merlyn LeRoy
--
Eli Chiprout                 
Dept. of Electronics, 
Carleton University, Canada
emc@doe.carleton.ca                                     
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: khaikin@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (dmitry khaikin)
Subject: Re: Here we go again
Keywords: annoying messianics and missionaries
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:16:31 GMT

In article <1gg3ggINN9vk@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> hook@unixg.ubc.ca (Chris Hook) writes:
>Dima,
>
>IMHO, (and from watching USENET alot) I would suggest that you let 
>this thing go. By responding so vigorously, you are MAKING a topic out
>of this, the very thing I imagine you do not want to do.

You bet I want to make a topic out of this! A topic called "How to avoid
missioners in this newsgroup."

>
>An attitude of no USENET response PLUS personal mail (without such
>anger, as you might actually encourage the very behaviour you
>were wishing to curtail) would seem more appropriate, and certainly
>has been effective in many other news groups.
>
>No preaching on my behalf (and sorry if it seems that way). Its just
>that I look forward to deeper, more Talmudic and Torah based info
>and discussions instead of endless verbal wars.
>

Great! Me too! But I am not about to even argue with someone who is
trying to convert other Jews! Maybe I will, but that's the last thing I
am going to do. The first thing I am going to do is to try to get this
m. out of here! No Jew needs him!

>Chris Hook
>hook@geog.ubc.ca
>
>
>p.s.- who ever is putting together those DvarTorah posting,
>thanks alot! I, at this time, don't really have any other way
>of getting a weekly discourse of this type.
>
>--
>Chris Hook 
>Atmospheric Sciences
>University of .B.C., Vancouver, Canada
>e-mail: hook@geog.ubc.ca

Thanks,
Dima
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  "A word is worth one coin; silence is worth two."_____ The Talmud.
  "Silence is good everywhere, except in connection with Torah."____ The Zohar.
   khaikin@cis.ohio-state.edu (Dmitry Khaikin, Columbus Ohio, USA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout)
Subject: Re: Jews, Cincinatti, and the KKK
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:09:20 GMT

In <merlyn.724127301@digibd> merlyn@digibd.digibd.com (Merlyn LeRoy) writes:

>emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout) writes:
>Sorry, I can't agree with this sort of reasoning.  If you're going to allow
>religious symbols on public property in the US, the government can't decide
>whose religions are legitimate and whose aren't.  They'll have to allow
>religious symbols from Satanists, too, if any apply.  Racist speech is
>still protected speech; it doesn't matter if it's popular or not.

This migt be legitimate reasoning IF the KKK was a religion.
I suggest you study the recent German government movement on
the neo-nazis.  

>---
>Merlyn LeRoy
--
Eli Chiprout                 
Dept. of Electronics, 
Carleton University, Canada
emc@doe.carleton.ca
From: ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The Crucifixion Prophecy
Date: 11 Dec 1992 20:11:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love) says:

>It appears to me that this gentleman is conducting 
>Christian missionary activities in scj. There ought to
>be a way to discourage this, although I haven't been a
>participant long enough to figure out how. Suggestions?
>
>Jack F. Love
>
The easiest is to IGNORE the jerk, and/or place him into your
kill file

Paul S. Wolf
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller)
Subject: Re: Skoll and "netiquitte"
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:02:53 GMT

On Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:56:06 GMT, aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) said:

 A> You do not need to tell everybody this. 
 A> Keep it in private.

	They can't.  They're each not reading mail from the other.

-- Cerebus <tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
"Kinda a Catch-22, eh?"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Why I became an Athiest (was: frustrations with christianity)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:15:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.013421.29848@netcom.com> madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes:
>jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes: >
>>                                                  Your essay
>>  described your dissatisfaction with the gulf between theory
>>  and practice observed while growing up. It seems that you
>>  drew conclusions about the theory, as a result.
>
>Well, the dissatisfaction between theory and practice is what
>started my *questioning* things as they were.  The conclusions
>I drew were that the religion was not for me, because it was
>not a sense of joy, comfort, or inclusion.  My first post on 
>this thread referred to my dismay with the sexist aspects of
>the religion.  My point was that the questioning of "Is this
>the way I want to live my life?" had to start somewhere, and I
>was trying to identify the events that sent me in another
>direction.
>
>Is this what you were asking or am I totally misunderstanding
>your question?
   Yes, this is what I was asking. I wanted to get a clear statement
   from you (your second sentence above,) before proceeding.

   You did not get a sense of joy, comfort or inclusion from
   the nods in direction of Judaism made by your family, which,
   if you will permit me, didn't really believe in what they
   were doing and in what they wanted you to do. Is that an indictment of
   Judaism qua Judaism or more a reflection on your family?

   Now, I realise that this was only the starting point, that
   which lead you to the serious thought that brought you to your present
   point of view. May I suggest another starting point, one which is
   symmetric? There are many, many people, men and women, highly
   educated and participating fully in the larger community who,
   by choice, follow the Jewish tradition. These people, apparently,
   are not dissatisfied by the relation of theory to practice. 
   I think that this fact also leads to serious thought no less than
   your growing up experience did.