From: gerwitz@KODAK.COM (Paul Gerwitz)
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Subject: Re: Homosexuality Causality)
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:26:30 GMT
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              at Nov 11, 92 06:15:10 pm

In an exchange between Haig and Eric, Haig stated the following....

>
> I still think your argument is wrongheaded and I still think you are
> making the same monstrous generalization about homosexuality.  While
> Dahmer's sexual orientation may have affected the manifestation of his
> sociopathic personality, it was by no means the cause of his behavior,
> nor did it incite his behavior.  Had Dahmer been heterosexual, would you
> still claim that his struggle with his heterosexual tendencies "was
> partially responsible for inciting his sociopathic behavior?"  I think not.

I think I would.

I refer you to the interview that James Dobson did with Ted
Bundy right before his execution.  In it Bundy stated unequivicly that
his indulgence in pornography was a large influence on his subsequent behavior.
 He related in rather vivid detail how his life progressed over time to the
point where he killed in order to "satisfy himself" (sloppy term).

It's not an issue of same sex or opposite sex, it is a issue of how well we
deal with our tendencies to sin.  We all struggle with it.

I like to think about these situations in terms of a drug or alchohol
habit.  After a while, the current 'dosage' does not bring about the
desired effect, so the user migrates to something stronger.  This begins a
cycle which drives the user to more potentially undesirable and dangerous
situations.  Does this mean that we can say that everyone will progress
this way, I don't think so.  All we can really say is that the liklyhood of
this pregression occuring is far higher than if we never fell into the
behavior in the first place.

> [Eric Said...]
> >This
> >is based on personal experience and contact with homosexuals.
> >Believe it or not, not all homosexuals believe that homosexuality is
> >natural and to be encouraged.  Some homosexuals actually agree with me
> >here.  Some homosexuals have given these matters a great deal of thought
> >and do not agree with the more liberal, activist homosexuals.
>
> [Haig replied...]
> Oh, I believe that you know homosexuals who feel very guilty about what they
> are.  I would not have expected much less, really.  I agree that some
> homosexuals, because of societal pressures, feel bad about themselves for
> something they have no control over.  IMHO, the world would be a happier
> place if everyone else could accept homosexuals for who they are, and not
> throw on a lot of emotional baggage.

Aren't you making an assumtion, with this group of homosexuals, that the
reasons behind their feelings are somehow driven by all this "emotional
baggage" we put on them?  Isn't it possible that through prayer and thought
that they can move to a different level of understanding ?  If God can
change me through the power of the Spirit, why not any other sinner like me ?


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