HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bob@ssc-vax (Robert A Birgenheier)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: NATURAL GAS vs. OIL HEAT
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:15:19 GMT
Reply-To: bob@ssc-vax.UUCP (Robert A Birgenheier)
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Boeing Aerospace & Electronics

In article <1992Aug9.042305.3952@kopachuk.uucp> dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman) writes:
>   More advantages of oil heat:
>   4) If you have a diesel car, you can run your car on it.

The week of Christmas '83 was a particularily cold one in the Great
Falls area, minus 40 to minus 45.  (Not the reason I moved to Puget
Sound, thank you.)  At that temperature, diesel fuel
begins to gel.  The only way those folks with diesel vehicles could
get around was to burn something like number 2 stove oil, which is
still liquid at that temperature and a much better option than
heating up the fuel tank with a propane torch!  (Yes, this was done
often.)

So, the next time it gets to -45 in Seattle...

-- 
Bob Birgenheier        (...!uw-beaver!ssc-vax!bob)
                          (...!bcsaic!ssc-vax!bob)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: guru@halcyon.com (Dennis Wicks)
Subject: Re: Shady Seafirst billing practice
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: pnw
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 23:52:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.193726.23965@ole.cdac.com> ray@ole.cdac.com (Ray Berry) writes:
>
>	I doubt I'm the only one who has had the following experience:
>
>	1.  Seafirst credit card bill arrives- due date falls on a Saturday.
>    2.  I walk into a Seafirst branch on that Saturday morning and make
>        the payment.
>    3.  The teller hands me a receipt which is POSTDATED to Monday.
>    4.  My next statement arrives with a LATE CHARGE slapped on my account.
>
>    This strikes as a very deceptive practice.  Does anyone have a well-
>    qualified opinion about the legality of this practice?  And what agency
>    would be the appropriate one with which to file a formal complaint? TIA.
>-- 
>Ray Berry  kb7ht  ray@ole.UUCP  73407.3152@compuserve.com  /* inquire within */

Perfectly legal.  There are signs, placards, etc. that state
something to the effect that transactions taking place after
3:00 PM and on Saturdays aren't posted until the following
business day.  They may not be poster sized notices, but
they are there.  I think that even some of the deposit
receipts at some banks have a similar notice on them.
Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
From: randy@psg.com (Randy Bush)
Subject: Re: Seattle Online / polari
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon, US
Distribution: pn2
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:44:15 GMT

Excuse an out of towner for butting in.  But from the Portland perspective
some of this sounds a bit kinky.  And I always thought the Oregon State
flower was the sour grape.

What's this with charging for newsfeeds?  This implies that there is no
free usenet flood in Seattle.  Could this be true?  If so, this implies an
embarrassing lack of community, and may be fairly unique in North America.

Could someone up there who's been around the Seattle public UNIX community
for a fair while (i.e. maybe 3-4 years), and has no "My UNIX is better than
yours" disease, please give us a short history of what the public (and
quiet semi-public) access news and mail structure has been and is up there?

Maybe Steve or someone who's been around here a while (and does not have
the "..." disease) can do the same for Portland.

Thanks.

randy
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From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: bamboo gardens vegetarian restaurant
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:39:00 GMT
Organization: Boeing Graphics project, Bellevue WA

In article <1992Aug14.170706.14@polari> David Ruggiero <osiris@polari.online.com> writes:

>I say all of this not so much to beat up the Bamboo Gardens (obviously, not
>everyone shares our opinions, as Bruce's post clearly indicates), as to 
>let people know that vegetarian food doesn't have to be like this...if you
>want to see why many, many people happily live with little or no meat in
>their diets, try the Cafe Fleur on Madison. Or go to Vancouver (BC) and
                      ^^^^^^^^^^
(Hi David)  Shouldn't that be the Cafe Flora?  (A wonderful restaurant
by any criteria).

BTW, I've eaten at the Bamboo Gardens several times, and have found
some of their dishes tasteless, and others quite good.  

Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.boeing.com  // or uunet!bcstec!voodoo!das 
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From: jhli@carson.u.washington.edu (Jianghong Li)
Subject: Re: Female wanted                                     
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:30:53 GMT

A female graduate student or a post-doctoral fellow, or a visiting
scholar is wanted to a spacious two-bedroom apartment in Ballard. 
It is on several buslines: #43 and #46 to the U-Dist and #28 to
Downtown.  It is witin ten-minutes' walk to a Ballard supermarket. 
The apartment has a washer and dryer and a new dish-washer. 
Parking is available.  The neiborghhood is quiet and safe.
     The rent is $297.50 per month per person, plus utilities.  The
cost of utilities is very little, about $10 per month.  Water and
sewer are paid by the landlord.   
     The date available is: September 1.
     Please call Li at 781-6991 after 6:00 p.m. or write to
jhli@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: cummings@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Cummings)
Subject: Re: What happened to all the Yellow Jackets?
Keywords: Insects, Wasps, Bees, Sting, Ouch
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: seattle
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:00:55 GMT

	I don't know much about the behavior of Yellow Jackets (except
their obnoxious tendency to 'select' someone and buzz around the victim
until they go nuts), but they seem to be more abundant near water.  Is it
possible that the lack of sprinkler activity this year has made wet spots less
available, making the little vermin less widespread?

	I barbequed Sunday, and not one YJ attacked my food!  This is a
first, and prompted my initial question.

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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Subject: Re: Shady Seafirst billing practice
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Distribution: pnw
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 15:58:53 GMT

In <1992Aug15.235207.27381@nwnexus.WA.COM> guru@halcyon.com (Dennis Wicks) writes:

:In article <1992Aug15.193726.23965@ole.cdac.com> ray@ole.cdac.com (Ray Berry) writes:
:>
:>	I doubt I'm the only one who has had the following experience:
:>
:>	1.  Seafirst credit card bill arrives- due date falls on a Saturday.
:>    2.  I walk into a Seafirst branch on that Saturday morning and make
:>        the payment.
:>    3.  The teller hands me a receipt which is POSTDATED to Monday.
:>    4.  My next statement arrives with a LATE CHARGE slapped on my account.
:>
:>    This strikes as a very deceptive practice.  Does anyone have a well-
:>    qualified opinion about the legality of this practice?  And what agency
:>    would be the appropriate one with which to file a formal complaint? TIA.
:>-- 
:>Ray Berry  kb7ht  ray@ole.UUCP  73407.3152@compuserve.com  /* inquire within */

:Perfectly legal.  There are signs, placards, etc. that state
:something to the effect that transactions taking place after
:3:00 PM and on Saturdays aren't posted until the following
:business day.  They may not be poster sized notices, but
:they are there.  I think that even some of the deposit
:receipts at some banks have a similar notice on them.

Then there is Radio Shack Credit which took from 10-15 days after
I mailed checks to post them to my account.  If this happened
once or twice I could accept it, but they did it consistently for
over a year charging a $15.00 ``Late Charge''.  Is there any
federal agency interested in pursuing abuses like this?

Bill
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UUCP:   ...!thebes!camco!bill   6641 East Mercer Way
             uunet!camco!bill   Mercer Island, WA 98040; (206) 947-5591
SPEED COSTS MONEY -- HOW FAST DO YOU WANT TO GO?
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: hat@rust.zso.dec.com (Hugh Teegan)
Subject: Usability Test Subjects Wanted
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Distribution: seattle
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 22:40:05 GMT

Why wait until the presidential election to make your
opinion count! You can influence the future now by becoming a 
usability test subject for future software products. If you
have at least three months experience using DOS and/or Windows
applications on PCs and are available for any of the sessions
listed below, please call Ginie Tamarra at (206) 865-8820 or
Eric Haroldson at 865-8530.
You will not need to do any study or preparation and 
you may dress casually - it is our appearance we are 
trying to improve. 
All tests will take place in Bellevue, full directions will
be provided to selected candidates. A small test fee will
be paid.
Usability Test Schedule:
    Monday  8/31	      10:45 a.m. - 11.30 a.m.
    Monday  8/31	      11.15 a.m. - 12.00 p.m.
    Wednesday 9/2             9:30 a.m. - 11:30 a.m.
    Wednesday 9/2             1:30 p.m. - 3:30 p.m.
    Thursday 9/3              9:30 a.m. - 11:30 a.m.

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: hnoble@polari.online.com
Subject: JAZZ CONCERT SATURDAY
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:13:34 GMT

             PATIO PARTY JAZZ JAM
    starring Deems Tsutakawa and friends

    Jazz pianist Deems has performed from Seattle to Tokyo and
    London with artists such as Kenny G, Roy Ayers & Maynard
    Ferguson.  His fourth album will be released soon.

    Saturday, August 15, 2-8pm
    5703 S. Victor St.
    Seattle

    Door donation $7.50 in advance, $10.00 at door
    (sliding scale for low income)

    Gourmet Box Lunches
    $7.00 - available all day

    The event will benefit the Freedom Socialist newspaper

    For advance tickets or more information: 722-2453 or 722-6057
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: monaghan@carson.u.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan)
Subject: Re: Guns and Suicide, Medical Examiner's Rprt
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:55:43 GMT


In article <3310@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> you write:
>between No guns in the home and the lack of suicides.  The claim made
>by these two educated individuals is that suicide can be CURED by taking
>guns out of the home of law abiding, mentally stable citizens, page 1
>of 8/13/92 PI.  Please take a moment to read the article and post your
>feelings on this issue.  

Sorry, I didn't see the article in the PI, but I heard it on the TV news.
My understanding of what they reported was not that guns caused suicides,
or that there were no suicides in homes without guns, but that there was
a higher occurance of suicides in homes with guns than homes without guns.
A correlation, but not a causal relationship.


Newsgroups: seattle.general,pnw.general
From: wengland@stephsf.com (Bill England)
Subject: Re: Seattle Online / polari
    <crystal.714330480@glia> <1992Aug21.044415.27418@psg.com>
Distribution: pn2
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 04:05:20 GMT
Organization: Stephen Software Systems Inc., Tacoma/Seattle, +1 800 829 1684
X-Bytes: 1038

In article <1992Aug21.044415.27418@psg.com> randy@psg.com (Randy Bush) writes:
>[...]
>What's this with charging for newsfeeds?  This implies that there is no
>free usenet flood in Seattle.  Could this be true?  If so, this implies an
>embarrassing lack of community, and may be fairly unique in North America.
>
     Yes.  This observation is essentually correct.  Bruce King
     at polari does distribute some Usenet groups back into the
     Seattle Network at no charge.

     There is not any University support of the Network in the Seattle
     or Tacoma area.  The last University system, sumax, shut off their
     outbound lines a couple of months ago.  SU's network influence
     has dropped significantly.

-- 
 +-  Bill England,  wengland@stephsf.COM -----------------------------------+
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Newsgroups: uw.general,seattle.general,uw.announce,rec.music.indian.classical
From: trieu@me.utoronto.ca (Trieu C. Chau)
Subject: Re: Female wanted 
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:57:00 GMT

wiml@milton.u.washington.edu (William Lewis) writes:

>In article <1992Aug19.212532.9187@ninja.zso.dec.com> chen@fungus.zso.dec.com (Chao Chen) writes:
>>Now hold on here....  Don't jump to conclusions so fast.  How do you know 
>>that if this original poster isn't a female and wanted another female to 
>>share this two bedroom apartment with? Would you call that gender 
>>discrimination?  

>  Yes, that's still discrimination. In this case it seems to be legal
>discrimination, though.

That's ridiculous!  If I want to share an apartment with someone, I have
every right to decide who that other person is.  Personal hangups, pre-
ferences, prejudices, notwithstanding.

>>                I can understand where a female might be a bit 
>>uncomfortable sharing an apartment with a stranger of the opposit 
>>sex (or vice-versa).  I don't think discrimination was the intent here.

>  I can understand how a bigot might feel uncomfortable sharing
>an apartment with a black, or a Jew, or a homosexual. (Think of
>what it would do to his reputation!) Or vice-versa, for that matter ---
>is it legal to only allow unbigoted tenants? (Probably not.)

How is this relevant to a post advertising a possiblity of shared acc-
omodations?

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Newsgroups: uw.general,seattle.general,uw.announce,rec.music.indian.classical
From: mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Female wanted                                     
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:50:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.173943.2640@beaver.cs.washington.edu> wille@june.cs.washington.edu (Robert Wille) writes:
>
>I believe a person has every right to be choosey about whom they live with.
>Calling this gender discrimination is ridiculous.  If it is discrimination,
>then we're probably all very guilty of it.  I happen to discriminate against
>homosexuals and child molestors when I choose a baby-sitter.

 Yeah, those two are one and the same, right?! Gotta keep them fags away
from the kids...

You make me sick.

Al Billings
Straight but not afraid of Gays

Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: guru@halcyon.com (Dennis Wicks)
Subject: Seattle Online (aka polari) ???
Summary: What is going on over there?
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 15:04:42 GMT

 Does anybody know what is happening at Seattle Online?
 
 I have had trouble getting on there for the last several
 days.  That by itself is nothing unusual, but this morning
 all of their numbers get the recording about being 
 disconnected or no longer in service.
 
 Anybody have any idea what the status is over there?
 
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: rehm@june.cs.washington.edu (Eric Rehm)
Subject: Water Slides in Seattle-Tacoma-Everett Area?
Organization: /u2/rehm/.organization
Distribution: seattle
Date: 15 Aug 92 09:55:22

Are there any water slides in the Seattle-Tacoma-Everett area
other than the one (Wild Waves) at Enchanted Village in Federal Way?

Thanks,

/eric rehm
From: garye@voodoo.boeing.com (Gary Eng)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: summary: tree cutting services
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:15:00 GMT
Organization: Boeing Graphics project, Bellevue WA

Here are all the responses to my post requesting recommendations/disrecommen-
dations of tree service companies that take down trees.
(I know it's late, but we lost our new feed
for a while, and then I was busy, and ...[sound of violins playing]...)

From: ssc.wa.com!sherpa2!hpubvwa!markz
If you are around Seattle, I recommend Northwest Insured Tree Service.  
My parents have had John Clubine do a lot of work.  They show up with
a crew and a ton of equipment, and in a short time, it's all done.
And they care how things look.  Not cheap, though.

Mark Zenier  markz@ssc.wa.com  


From: stu@voodoo.boeing.com (Stuart Liddle)
> 
> If I can get the name of the guys who did my neighbor's house across the 
> street I'll send it to you.  They took down about three cedar trees and they
> were tho only company that let her stay in the house while they did it.  The
> other companies she contacted wouldn't allow that.  Anyway, they were quick
> it only took them one day and they were reasonable as I remember.

OK, here it is.  The name of the outfit is ......

		Bushman Tree Service - 454-6610


From: sleepy!tc.fluke.COM!article (John F. Berkey)
You might want to call, Scott's Custom Tree Service, @ (206) 742-6810
He does excellent work, reasonable rates, free estimates.... Tell him I
sent you.
                                        E-mail: article@tc.fluke.COM 


From: bcstec.ca.boeing.com!robs (Robert Sipe)
Hi Gary, I had some guys come out to my place in Puyallup and they
downed and sectioned 6 of my trees for $60.00 each.  Removal is a bit
more expensive.  I will try to get the number for these guys.
Robert Sipe 
robs@bcstec.boeing.com
[Rob said the name is K & D Tree in Tacoma]

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Regards,
gary eng                                                     (206) 544-9634
BCS      M/S 2L-11      P.O. Box 24346      Seattle, WA 98124-0346      USA
garye@voodoo.boeing.com                        ...uunet!bcstec!voodoo!garye
From: garye@voodoo.boeing.com (Gary Eng)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: summary: info on roofing contractors
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:08:41 GMT

Here are all the responses to my post requesting recommendations/disrecommen-
dations of roofing contractors. (I know it's late, but we lost our new feed
for a while, and then I was busy, and ...[sound of violins playing]...)

From: milne!ung (Kevin Ung)
I've gone thru the same thing this time last year, and it is for my parents' house.  We were more concern about the integrity of the work than price.  So we called BBB and something like "Roofing Assocation of Western Washington", and they gave us a list of contractors.  For some reasons, we finally chose "Success Roofing" 631-1400 (I think they are in Kent or Renton area).  They are a little more expansive than the others that we called.  But because they have been around for a few years, thus might be ab


le to provide warranty if and when we need it.  They also added some extra flashing to the old roof (included in the price).   I went up to see it after it is done.  It seem fine then and it is not leaking now.  But I am not roofing expert!


From: ? (I lost who this one is from...garye)
    I'm going to go ahead and post this response.  I was already
    going to give an unsolicited recommendation for some folks that
    we've done business with.

    We recently had some estimates done for certification, possible
    minor repairs and the installation of some roof vents.  After
    dealing with two less-than-desirable outfits I happened upon
    Pat's Roofing.  I can't say enough about their straightforward
    and HONEST service.  They responded to our requests quickly, 
    their prices were fair and the quality of their work appears to 
    be top notch.  
    
    We only had minor work done and I'm no expert, but that was my
    experience with them.  They're located in Kirkland but I guess
    they service the whole area 'cause our work was done in West Seattle.


			Pat's Roofing
			244-1914


    Of course I'm not associated with them other than being a 
    satisfied customer.


From u.washington.edu!annie 
Holm had a 12 year guarantee on labor and materials on the rental house I had
them do.  Their price was mid-range of the four estimates I got. 
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Newsgroups: uw-cs.bboard,seattle.general,uw.forsale,uw.general,pnw.forsale,na.forsale
From: njono@cs.washington.edu (Sampoerno Njono)
Subject: Car For Sale
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 00:48:41 GMT

MODEL:	HONDA ACCORD EX 1991
TRANSMISSION: AUTOMATIC
COLOR: GREEN (NICE COLOR)
STILL IN GOOD CONDITION
FULLY LOADED (A/C, STEREO)
MILAGE: 40K
PRICE: $14,000

If you are interested or have any question, please call me at 488-4810
and talk to Poernomo or Sam

Newsgroups: uw.general,seattle.general,uw.announce
From: wille@june.cs.washington.edu (Robert Wille)
Subject: Re: Female wanted                                     
Organization: University of Washington Computer Science
Distribution: seattle
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 18:58:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.215000.20919@u.washington.edu>, mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug20.173943.2640@beaver.cs.washington.edu> wille@june.cs.washington.edu (Robert Wille) writes:
|> >
|> >I believe a person has every right to be choosey about whom they live with.
|> >Calling this gender discrimination is ridiculous.  If it is discrimination,
|> >then we're probably all very guilty of it.  I happen to discriminate against
|> >homosexuals and child molestors when I choose a baby-sitter.
|> 
|>  Yeah, those two are one and the same, right?! Gotta keep them fags away
|> from the kids...
|> 
|> You make me sick.
|> 
|> Al Billings
|> Straight but not afraid of Gays

No, those two are NOT one and the same.  If you'd read what I wrote, you'd
realize that that's not what I meant.  I'm simply very discriminating when
it comes to my children.  There are many other kinds of people that I would
not let babysit my children (dishonest people, people who tell obscene jokes,
people who would let my children watch violent or obscene movies, etc.)  
I just happened to mention two of the most notable groups.

-- 
Robert

There is evidence that the brain is like a computer.  If that's true, 
then there really aren't any stupid people.  Just people running DOS.
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: ying@phys.washington.edu (Shuqian Ying)
Subject: Panasonic Printer (24 pin) for sale.
Keywords: Computer, Printer
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:13:09 GMT

  
   Panasonic Printer + 2500 sheets of computer paper (1 box, 20 lb. letter 
size) for sale. 24 pin. Model KX-P1123. Half years old. Rearly used. It is in 
excellent condition with a quite high quality output. Ask for $150 o.b.o. 

   I can be reached at 522-6084 or ying@dirac.phys.washington.edu.




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