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From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: Ok, should I upgrade to DV/X?
Date: 15 Apr 1992 16:23:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Apr15.153930.15041@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> sgilley@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic) writes:
>At the risk of sounding heretical, I prefer the Windows interface
>to the DV interface.  I *like* an interface that allows me to iconise
>and easily move windows around.  But I can't get Windows to run
>the same number of tasks that DV will.

The DV/X system does allow iconification and moving and resizing (even for DOS
apps, if you use a scaled DOS window, as long as the DOS app isn't a graphics
app). 

>By the way, I'd love to read a full review, if someone would care
>to post...

I'm not good at writing comprehensive reviews; I was kinda hoping Daniel Bodoh
would take on the job...
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              Philippe Kahn, in Infoworld, 13 Apr 1992
From: maynor@Ra.MsState.Edu (Natalie Maynor)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: telnet under dv
Keywords: telnet tn3270
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:05:28 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University

s2942275@techst02.technion.ac.il (Yaniv Golan) writes:

>Problem: I am using telnet (tn3270.exe) under Desqview. It hangs up the
>computer once in a while whith a QEMM displayed messages saying that the
>program had done something illegel etc Terminate or Reboot. But it never
>gets to processing my answer - a cold reboot is needed to get out of it.

I have exactly the same problem and have had it for many months --
ever since I got my voice-data modem and was able to use tn3270.  I've
asked everybody I can think of about it and still have no solution. 
--
  -- Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: schweik@cppob.ruhr.de (Martin Schweikert)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Scrolling
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:52:51 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Private/FRG

Hello!

I have a very strange problem:

I wrote a program that reads lines of text from a file and writes them
to the screen. The first line and the last line on the screen are sort
of status lines, who are never overwritten. In other words: I write the
status lines to the first and last screen line, respectively. Then I
write the text information read from the file to the second through the
second from last screen line. When the second from last screen line is
reached, the program waits for a keystroke. Then it scrolls the region
from the second through the second from last screen line using the
appropriate BIOS function.

If this program does not run under DV, all is well. The program does
what I expect it to do (writing directly to screen memory or using the
BIOS functions).

If it does run under DV, however, it seems that the scroll region is
different - I can see that the status line on the last screen line is
scrolled, too (actually to the second screen line), Leaving a black line
at the bottom of the screen.

I could live with that and write the status line to the last screen line
after every scroll process. But this is only half a solution. After the
third scrolling or so there are contiguous lines of random characters
with random foreground and background colors, most of them blinking (no
difference if I write directly to the screen or use the BIOS functions).
These lines of random characters are overwritten by the scrolling lines,
but they are VERY nasty.

Somebody has a hint, by chance?

My configuration, if it matters: 386/33, 4MB, VGA, DR-DOS 6.0, QEMM
6.02, DV 2.42, Turbo C++ 1.0. But I think the problem is with DV, since
my program does exactly what I expect it to do if it does not run under
DV ...

BTW: I tried to send mail to QOS's Compu$erve address, but it seems it
hasn't made it. Does somebody have an address where to send mail from
Usenet? 

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: dkl@xcluud.sccsi.com (David Karl Leikam)
Subject: Re: no longer using DV or QEMM
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 06:31:39 GMT

In article <23330021@hplsla.hp.com> davidr@hplsla.hp.com (David M. Reed) writes:
>I am certainly no authority, but in response to this comment:
>
># (2) DV does not support Windows in 386 enhanced mode.  I do not have
># a clue as to whether I really need 386 enhanced mode, but it gives
># me something I'm used to (virtual memory, which I have taken for
># granted on my workstatation at work for the past decade), and I don't
># understand enough about Windows to be sure that NOT using 386
># enhanced mode will not impair my use of Windows in some other way.
>
>
>Essentially, the only significant reason to run MSWindows in 386 (Enhanced)
>mode is to provide "virtual windows" for running DOS-based (non-windows)
>programs.  If you will be only running MSWindows-specific programs under
>MSWindows, then running in Standard mode will provide an improvement in
>performance for most users/applications.  
>
  Alas, not so. There are some Windows-based applications which *require*
enhanced mode in order to run at all.  One that comes to mind immediately
is PageMaker 4.0.
From: cnb@cnbisis.lerctr.org (Nelson Baird)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: Stealth stolen when in Windows!
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 20:47:22 CDT
Organization: ISIS, Inc, Ferris TX

traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:

> I  am  running  QEMM  6.02 with the stealth option on so I have enough high
> RAM  to  get all of Netware Lite up there. When I run Windows 3.0 and start
> a  DOS  shell  the  ROM's re-appear! (checked with Manifest and debug) If I
> actually  have  anything  loaded  high in the stealth area then the DOS box
> will  crash  the  machine.  The machine is an AMI BIOS'ed 486/33 EISA based
> system.
> 

How odd. I have lots of stuff crammed in high ram. (7 programs)  I have been 
in the DOS box with no problem.  system 40Mhz odd brand assemble it 
yourself.   I have had no problems with this on any of the systems were I 
run both qemm and windows 3.1.  I think they are all ST:M. 

SCSI works fine, printQ works fine, mouse, I have not tried the fax. 
 
How odd...
Nelson Baird
From: stevens@ucs.ubc.ca (John Stevens)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: telnet under dv
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:08:40 GMT
Organization: University of B.C. Computing Services


I use tn3270 under dv without any problems at all. I load the driver in
the same window, always make it the first window in dv and turn off the
tn3270 screen saver (-d 0). Make sure that you have swapped out = NO and runs
in background YES. I also don't use the -w switch (don't know what it is).

I am using the Clarkson drivers release 9.x and their driver version
CUTCP/CUTE 2.2D/2.2TN  TC-D
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: The Use of DV/X
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:52:31 GMT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:

> I love Desqview, but I don't think Desqview/X has a chance unless the
> price to actually do things with it is lowered.

I think you are right, but we should wait a few weeks and see what the
mail order houses are selling it for.  If the network manager is
retailing for $250, then mail order should be around $180 or less.
Programmer's Connection sells DESQview/386 for $159.  Retail is $229.
I got DV/386 cheaper than that at CompUSA ($129), but I doubt the
superstores are going to carry something as esoteric as the Network
Manager.


QOS definitely needs to do some promotions on that stuff!  Borland is
promoting the hell out of BC++ 3.0 in the Connection Catalog, offering
special deals with bundled third party libraries, etc... If QOS does
the same thing, everybody will benefit, including QOS.



[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor -- mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US -- cerritos.edu!batpad!mike
[] Long Beach, California
[] TNG Quote: "You were travelling in close formation at over 80,000 kph, only
[] 10 meters from Cadet Albert, and you didn't even know his orientation?!?"
From: dsharrar@lehi3b15.csee.Lehigh.EDU (David Sharrar [920229])
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: no longer using DV or QEMM
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:46:04 GMT
Organization: CSEE Dept. Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA

Amen.
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: hartnegg@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Klaus Hartnegg)
Subject: Re: DV/Internet question
Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Deutschland
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 08:12:19 GMT

barbourj@CS.ColoState.EDU (jim barbour) writes:

>In article <1992Apr1.183835.10003@intvax2.cs.sandia.gov> bryan@intvax2.cs.sandia.gov (Jon R Bryan) writes:
>Are there other Telnet products which support multiple sessions w/o
>needing to do some kind of multi-tasking?  Do any of these Telnet
>packages have a built in FTP client?

NCSA Telnet is doing this.
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From: wright@ux.acs.umn.edu (Wright)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Desqview, Brief, Doskey and the Mouse
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:48:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux.1992Apr8.184823.8929
Organization: University of Minnesota

I'm currently using brief 3.1 and desqview, and whenever I open a dos window
and run doskey (actually, I have the same problem at work using doskey and
dos3.3), the mouse leaves a cursor trail when I try to use it in Brief.

Any suggestions?

Mark Wright
wright@ux.acs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: mblum@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Cerebus)
Subject: Does DV/X work over a LocalTalk network??
Keywords: desqview,x,dv/x
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:26:57 GMT

Could somebody who bought Desqview/X look at the docs and tell me:

Will it work with an AppleTalk/LocalTalk network with TCP/IP protocol?

It won't do me any good if it won't, so I need to know before I decide
whether or not to spend money on it.  I'm going to try to contact
Quarterdeck, but it's usually hard to get through.  Could someone
please give me this info?

Post to this group or send me e-mail to respond.

Thanks in advance.

-- Matt
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: dkl@xcluud.sccsi.com (David Karl Leikam)
Subject: Upgrade, revisited
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Distribution: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 20:24:39 GMT

	On the subject of upgrades, I noticed in a local store today, Qram
version 2.0, and was wondering about whether/how to upgrade?
 
   I have 1.0 and don't use it, since it can't really do too much with my
hardware EMS 3.2 setup. Only 4 mappable page frames, so it moves just a
little bit of stuff high, and still doesn't give me enough space to run
adequately-sized Desqview windows. (From which you can gather that I don't
use DV either.)
 
   Details:  386SX, AMI Bios, SCAT EMS chipset, not running QEMM386.
 
   Given this hardware, is there any way around the problem? Any way to get
useably-large windows? (Huh? Oh. 4 mb of ram). Is Qram 2.0 relevant and/or
worth upgrading to, in my situation? And if so, how? (procedurally)
 
   Thanks for any hints/helps/suggestions.

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: hen3ry@cactus.org (Henry Velick)
Subject: Re: My Mouse Can't Dance
Reply-To: hen3ry@cactus.org (Henry Velick)
Organization: The Capital Area Central Texas Unix Society
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 04:48:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.221718.14616@swdsrv.edvz.univie.ac.at> A4422DAB@vm.univie.ac.at (Erich Neuwirth) writes:
}------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
}From: hen3ry@cactus.org (Henry Velick)
}Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
}Subject: My Mouse Can't Dance
}
}
}Here's one for all the DV mavens in the audience: I've been using
}DV/QEMM for a couple of years now, most recently on a 486-33 under
}DOS 5 and 4DOS. Upgraded a while back to 2.42/6.02. Few problems.
}Love it.
}
}Last week, I finally put a mouse on my system. A Logitech Series 9
}serial mouse, to be precise. If I tell DV (via setup) that I have
}variant 3, that is, "Logitech (w/o MS driver)" then a mouse cursor
}will appear on all screens and menus, but will not respond to any
}mouse movement or button presses. If, instead, I load the MS
}driver (in low memory, since it won't load high, grr), and tell DV
}to use variant 2 (MS driver w/any of a multitude of rodents), the
}mouse works fine, albeit with less RAM available than should be.
}
}It seems to me, from the manual and the setup program, that my
}mouse should work w/o the driver hogging any memory at all. Anyone
}got any ideas why it doesn't?
}
}- Henry
}
}make sure you have the latest version of the Logitech mouse driver.
}it should be version 6.0. I remebre similar problems,
}but upgrading the mous driver helped.
}
}erich neuwirth

Yeah, well, that's what seems to be the problem. At least with loading
the driver high. Several people have mentioned they are able to do this,
and when I called Logitech to verify it, I discovered my driver (ver.
4.01) is woefully out of date. They're sending me the latest, gratis.
Nice folk. And thanks much to all who responded.

- Henry

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From: merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: MetaWare High C / PharLap / DJGPP / GO32 / DESQview / MS WIN
Date: 12 Apr 1992 04:09:07 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: neuro.usc.edu

I have several questions about the best approach to developing 32 bit image
processing applications to the MSDOS environment.  Perhaps some people in
this newsgroup could provide some advice which would help our efforts.

I have come into the possession of the 32 bit compiler MetaWare High C 1.7
(with debugger) and the 32 bit dos extender PharLap 386|ASM/LINK 2.2b --
do these packages operate well under DESQview?  The documentation says the
MetaWare and PharLap products conform to the VCPI standard.  Of course, I
am interested in using these two products in part because their list price
suggests they must be more or less valuable.  MetaWare lists for $1995 and
PharLap lists for $495.

I understand there is another free 32 bit compiler called DJGPP and 32 bit
dos extender GO32 which at one time did not run under DESQview and now are
capable of running under DESQview.  Where can I acquire current copies of
DJGPP and GO32?  Has this compiler been updated to incorporate the GCC 2.0
updates?  Stallman says GCC 2.0 has substantially improved floating point
performance enhamcements for 386 PC's.  Is there a 387 emulator available 
for use with DJGPP generated binaries on 386 PC's absent 387 coprocessors?

Has anyone used DJGPP for generating code to burn into EPROMs for embedded
applications?  If so, are there public domain or shareware tools for '386
embedded application development (embedded code linkers, real time os, or
remote symbolic debuggers)?

I have an ATI Graphics Vantage (noninterlaces emulation of an 8514/a card)
in my PC.  I'd like to be able to use it in the 1024x768 pixel x 256 color  
mode under DESQview.  Is there any support in DESQview or other available
library for the 8514/a graphics environment?  What do people do in general
for high resolution video drivers under DESQview?  The shrink wrap package
for DESQview at Fry's Market doesn't say anything about hi res video cards.

Does anyone have any experience with compatibility of MetaWare, PharLap,
DJGPP, or GO32 with MS Windows 3.0/3.1?  I have been writing 16 bit code
using MS C 6.0 and the Windows 3.0 SDK -- but I'd like to get away from
64K segments and work with a flat memory model.  This would facilitate
porting a large number of free image processing and utility codes from
the unix environment to the DOS environment.

Finally, does anyone know whether SUN's PC-NFS product is compatible with
DESQview?  It seems to run without problems under MW Windows 3.0.

Please, if you have any experience with these products -- do provide some
initial pointers or summaries of your experience to assist our projects.

Thanks, AJ Annala

Principal Investigator
Neuroscience Image Analysis Network
HEDCO Neuroscience Building, Fifth Floor
University of Southern California
Los Angeles, CA  90089-2520
From: bryan@momth3.maths.monash.edu.au (Bryan Seng Hpa)
Newsgroups: monash.cc,comp.os.msdos.desqview,monash.pc
Subject: DESQVIEW-X
Date: 10 Apr 92 05:46:55 GMT
Organization: Monash University

Does anyone know who will be supplying DESQVIEW-X in Australia ?
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: bodoh@xraylith.wisc.edu (Daniel J. Bodoh)
Subject: Re: Received my DV/X
Organization: Center for X-ray Lithography, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 02:20:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.011521.6982@xraylith.wisc.edu> I wrote:
>I don't know about other video cards, but it doesn't handle 1024x768 on
>an ATI VGA Wonder Plus. 

Use the 16-color driver!  It has much better performance that 256 colors.
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From: kev@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lentin)
Newsgroups: monash.cc,comp.os.msdos.desqview,monash.pc
Subject: Re: DESQVIEW-X
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:52:09 GMT
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix

bryan@momth3.maths.monash.edu.au (Bryan Seng Hpa) writes:
: Does anyone know who will be supplying DESQVIEW-X in Australia ?

DesqView is supplied by SourceWare. I see no reason why they wouldn't be
distributing DV/X when it gets here.

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From: bodoh@xraylith.wisc.edu (Daniel J. Bodoh)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: Re: Some DV/X questions  (Or, my adventures with QOS offhours support)
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:17:48 GMT
Organization: Center for X-ray Lithography, UW-Madison

In article <1992Apr16.131943.3019@midway.uchicago.edu> valley@gsbsun.uchicago.edu (Doug Dougherty) writes:
>	3) How to make Windows come up automatically not full-screen?
>	   (I.e., when I launch Windows, it takes up my entire X/Windows
>	   screen, and the first thing I do is resize it down so that I
>	   have room onscreen for other DV/X apps.  I would like this to
>	   happen automatically.)  Actually, I suppose I could do it
>	   with a script, now there's an idea... (I just thought of that
>	   as I write this)

Use DVPMAN to edit the DVP.  In DV/X, you no longer specify Starting...
sizes in units of characters, but in units of pixels, and you can
use algebraic forms with the variables H (screen height) and W (screen
width).
-- 
Daniel J. Bodoh                       2271 in DV/X Tetris...
bodoh@xraylith.wisc.edu or via Fidonet: Daniel Bodoh 1:121/99
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: DV/X: I got mine!
Date: 8 Apr 1992 22:09:11 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston


Cheryl, the friendly lady at Quarterdeck, quoted me 3-4 weeks lead time on my
DESQview/X upgrade when I ordered it last Thursday afternoon.

It just landed on my desk, less than a week later.

Now to take it home and install it...good thing I generated lots of free space
on my DOS drive...the book quotes 10 MB for a full install.

It does look great, though, in the docs...
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
From: valley@gsbsun.uchicago.edu (Doug Dougherty)
Subject: Re: DV first window
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:12:52 GMT

cornet@duteca.et.tudelft.nl (Jan-Pieter Cornet) writes:

>gunars@spss.com (Gunars V Lucans) writes:
>>I've seen several articles that mention programs (usually
>>communications software) that run better when in the first DV window.
>>What is "magic" about the first window?

>I'd take a wild guess at it, and say that the first window uses the
>"real" conventional memory for memory. No "faked" EMS-ed in QEMM
>supplied substitute of a memory.

Yes.  And if your extended mem is slow (-er than your motherboard mem),
apps will run more slowly when win_num > 1.  And timing-critical apps
may not run at all.
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From: uclyjjd@ucl.ac.uk (Julian Daley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.desqview
Subject: DV/X on top of Sun's PC-NFS ?
Keywords: pc-nfs, dv/x
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:15:00 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

Has anyone got any idea if DV/X will run on top of PC-NFS, 
with the TCP-IP interface?

Julian.
From: Junger@gls47212.law.cwru.edu (Peter D. Junger)
Subject: Re: DV/Internet question
Organization: Case Western Reserve University Law School
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 20:22:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.081219.1445@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> hartnegg@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Klaus Hartnegg) writes:

>barbourj@CS.ColoState.EDU (jim barbour) writes:

>>In article <1992Apr1.183835.10003@intvax2.cs.sandia.gov> bryan@intvax2.cs.sandia.gov (Jon R Bryan) writes:
>>Are there other Telnet products which support multiple sessions w/o
>>needing to do some kind of multi-tasking?  Do any of these Telnet
>>packages have a built in FTP client?

KA9Q supports multiple telnets, multiple FTP's, and quite a few other
functions.  But then the KA9Q Net Operating System ("NOS") is, in a
sense, a multitasker.

Peter D. Junger
CWRU Law School