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From: holland@geop.ubc.ca (Stephen Holland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why aren't there any black aliens?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 00:51:26 GMT
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In article GBC@news.cso.uiuc.edu, jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
>Stephen Holland writes
>> And don't forget that the Klingons are played by black actors.
>
>
>Weren't the Klingons in the latest Star Trek movie white?  And the Klingons in ST:TOS?  Finally, Worf's son is the same kid (Brian Bost___, I forgot his complete name) on Family Ties.  He is also not African-American.  He is under a lot of makeup, however, the statement "Klingons are played by black actors" is incorrect.
>
No, the statement is incomplete.  Most Klingons are played by black actors.
Take a look of the publicity shots of Klingons putting their make-up on.
The Klingons in the last movie were played by African-American
actors.  Perhaps a few weren't but they were still "made-up" to have dark
skin colours.  The Klingons in the original series were, for all
practical purposes, a differenct race.  Alexandre is annoying so lets
just pretend that he doesn't exist :-).  

So, insert "most" into my original statement and pretend it was there all
along.  



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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: Troi's uniform and stuff
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:04:45 EST

 -=> Charles Jacob Cohen babbled to All and look what he/she said! <=-

 CJC> About Gates Mc Fadden. I read in an article recently that she is 29
 CJC> years old. Is this true? If so, she is playing a woman much older than
 CJC> herself, and convincingly so. I think this was just a typo in the
 CJC> article. Can anyone confirm or deny this? And would the guy with the
 CJC> nude video guide look HER up to see what other films SHE has been
 CJC> in?!??! 

Gates McFadden is 43 years old.

 CJC> BTW Did anyone mention the fact that Bebe Neuworth was in a TNG
 CJC> episode? 

Yeah, she was in "First Contact" as the alien who offered Riker's escape 
from the hospital.


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From: mrahman@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Mushfiqur Rahman)
Subject: Re: DS9's new doctor and Checov
	<1993Jan6.203113.19050@husc3.harvard.edu>
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In article <1993Jan9.012738.19133@husc3.harvard.edu> cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone) writes:


>   I'd kind of like to think he was, though, since we have never seen an
>   Arab character before in Star Trek.

It's about time we see some South Asians (Bangladeshi, Indian, Pakistani
and Sri Lankan largely) characters as 1 in every 5 person in the world
happens to be a South Asian.

Tushu.
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: To whomever wants to talk trash about DS9...
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:21:15 GMT

In article <1ikraiINNa1j@lester.appstate.edu> BARNESD@vax1.elon.edu (Danny Barnes  ) writes:
>Just remember...TNG wasn't all that great it's first season either!  The
>characters need time to evolve, and the actors need time to develop the
>characters.  Be Patient and I'm positive DS9 will come up to par with TNG
>by the end of the season.
>

Very good point.  And in point of fact, I was very surprised that the
actors worked as well together and came off as comfortable as they 
did for a first show.  I was prepared to dislike the Odo character,
as it struck me as an idiotic idea that would come off "campy", and
I didn't like Rene Auberjonois, but I ended up being very pleasantly
surprised.    STNG's first show had the actors very uncomfortable-
sounding and looking, as for instance when the crew first visited the
planet.  It's like they had no idea where to stand or look.

I've never seen any show start as "clean" and "comfortable" as DS9.
I keep thinking about the first episodes of Cheers and The Mary Tyler
Moore Show, for instance, and their first epsiodes were choppy at
best.

GMS


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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:05:23 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In <rawdon.726777573@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:

>>					You cannot draw a Captain's
>>pay and privileges, on a permanent basis, unless you're doing the job 
>>of a Captain.

>Why not?

Star Fleet regulation 64.52.3.5. :-)

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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Best Episode?
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:32:38 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

>In article <1993Jan6.143637.29934@newssun.med.miami.edu> dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
>>Pandora's Box.  What is in your opinion the best eposiode of TNG?  I realize
>
The Inner Light
Yesterday's Enterprise
Measure of a Man
Remember Me
Darmok

These are top-5 and pretty interchangable. All 10s for me.

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From: hatunen@netcom.com (David W Hatunen)
Subject: Re: Why aren't there any black aliens?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:29:25 GMT

THis whole discussion has to be the height of
geocentric silliness. Define <race>. Then
define race for aliens. I personally don't
believe the concept of race has any meaning
except to those who want to use it to justify
some sort of essentially bigotted conduct.

And those who need to justify bigotted conduct
will use anything handy: hook noses, kinky hair,
red irish hair, darker skin (my forebears in
Scandinavia had a prejudice against olive skinned
meditreranneans such as Greeks and Italians and
couldn't understand why any one diliked Africans, or
whatever would be a PC descriptor).4

Now, as to employiung black (or African-American)
actors, Strek has a long history of being on the
right side of that one.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:57:11 CST
From: Marc Sasiadek <U24226@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Current GIF's or JPG's????

Are there any ftp sites with STTNG or DS9 pictures from this season?
VAB02.larc.nasa.gov used to have new pictures every few weeks or so,
but they stopped doing it.
coe.montana.edu took it's place, but they haven't had any new pictures
since TA part I.
Thanks in advance.
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From: mackenzi@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Paul Mackenzie)
Subject: Re: after finally seeing ds9
Originator: mackenzi@haley.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 15:18:42 GMT


In article <1993Jan11.153240.7659@ra.msstate.edu>, cea1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Carolyn E. Adams-Price) writes:

|> SINCE O'BRIEN IS A NONCOMMISSIONED OFFICER, IS HE EVEN ALLOWED ON
|> THE BRIDGE OF THE ENTERPRISE?  THAT MAY EXPLAIN WHY HE WAS RELUCTANT
|> TO MAKE AN OFFICIAL APPEARANCE ON THE BRIDGE, AND PEAKED IN ON IT
|> SO QUIETLY.

I seem to remember in early seasons of TNG (before he was Transporter
Chief) that O'Brien's post was navigator, ie he sat beside Data on
the bridge.  Now, if Picard had to make Wesley an Ensign to allow him
on the bridge, shouldn't O'Brien be at least an ensign too?  Perhaps
it just amounts to a little writers' boo-boo...

--Paul
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From: rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (Robert W. Mech)
Subject: No Longer Part Of The Cult
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 11:59:56 GMT

DISCLAIMER:
Before I get started here, I want everyone to know that these are my 
opinions, so don't get upset.


Has anyone else noticed that ST is no longer what it was?  Granted there
have been changes to it over the years with STTNG, but its gone much
further than just the next generation.  It seems to me that ST has now gone
into the same catagory as Soap Operas, now more than ever.  The first sight
of this was when they started ending the season with 2 part episodes, as
if we were not going to watch them next year unless they gave us a reason. 
I felt at that point I was starting to watch Dallas and had to wait 4 months
to see "Who Shot JR?".  Then they did this every season, but to my dismay, 
the episodes got worse.  Instead of seeing if Jean-Luc would live, we started
waiting to see where Data's head gets blown off.  We are starting to see more
and more flesh on the show, and less and less action and adventure.  Granted
they are explorers, but then again, when exploring everything is not a piece
of cake.  The show to me is becoming more like another "serries" and less
of ST.  What I mean here, is that ever since the original ST, it has been
more of a "cult" show than anything else.  You were a fan, or you hated it.
It was like asking if you saw Rocky Horror Picture Show.  Mostly filled
with nerds, and dreamers, ST was the space adventure we could all share.  Now
it seems that Paramount has not only shared it with others, but has caused
it to look more apealing to the non-nerdy-dreamer type.  People who never
watched the show, now watch it with regularity.  I just finished watching
DS9 and I felt more and more like I was watching a soap opera and not my
ST which I loved for so long.  The shows are good by themselves, but I still
long for the days of Kirk, and the simple, yet exciting episodes that set the
ground for the future.  I feel the new shows lack what the older ones lacked, 
the feeling, and commitment, the strive to make something new.  Now, it seems
as if the writers are just reusing episodes, and mass producing episodes. 
I truly think that if ST:TNG and ST:DS9 want to stay around, they will have
to start comming up with truly original material, and once again getting
that flair of survival.

	- Robert

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From: Michael Scott Shappe <mss1@cornell.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: WHoooops
Date: 7 Jan 1993 00:36:35 GMT
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Apologies for the poor wrapping on my review...I need to get a real
editor....
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Review 9: "The Emissary" (SPOILERS)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 16:40:45 GMT
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In article <79327@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.214546.25648@cci632.cci.com> tvf@cci632.cci.com (Tom Frauenhofer) writes:
>>Spoilers follow, so beware...

>>Nana Visitor as Major Kira (spelling?) was a find - better than I expected.
>
>I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this:  Kira was ready to sacrifice
>the entire space station to fight the Cardassians.  Now, I realize that
>surrender was not an option, and they only had 6 photon torpedoes, but she
>acted like she wanted to "die the glorious death" in battle against the
>oppressors of her people.  That's all well and good, but not with all those
>Federation officers in a Federation space station.  That just didn't seem
>right.  While the battle was occurring, I thought "She's responsible for
>every death on that ship."  Then, later, we'll told that there were no
>deaths.  How convenient!  Especially seeing that beam fall on that one
>guy.  I thought for sure he'd be dead.  I don't know.  That scene just didn't
>work for me.  She seemed just a little to selfish.

	Which I thought was dead on. It was a characterization that makes
sense for a Bajoran national. Not only does it follow that she do that to
an ex-oppressor, it was probably a tactic that WORKED in the past.

	Besides, if it was selfish, it's a character flaw....which makes
her an IMPERFECT character. Thought we wanted that....

-- 
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Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW, Uncle Bonsai Memorial Fan Club
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From: jlanter@spider.wri.com (Jeff Lanter)
Subject: Re: `Cheers woman
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:20:26 GMT

In <C0CG63.3uB@panix.com> oppedahl@panix.com (Carl Oppedahl) writes:

>In <1993Jan1.190601.8816@fuug.fi> an92@anon.penet.fi writes:

>>Sacha Netters!

>>My friend and I were watching STIII:TVH the other night and noticed that 
>>the woman who played Savick looked very similar to that woman from 
>>Cheers, was it just us or is this the same woman?  Or arewe we spending 
>>too much time in front of the ol' boob tube?  :-)  ;)

>Yes, it is the same woman.

Does anyone know *why* Kirsty Alley didn't reprise her role as Saavik in
the third movie?  I've always had a beef with her for that... seems like
all the other actors/actresses stick with their roles.
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Shuttle craft on DS9
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:07:16
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca's message of Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:40:44 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:40:44 GMT, tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca (Tarun Kripalani) said:

tarun> The shuttle craft that was in DS9 seemed a bit larger than the
tarun> ones on board the Enterprise. Are they much bigger?  How do
tarun> they compare with the other shuttles that we have seen before?

I got the impression it wasn't a shuttle, but a fully capable warp
driven ship. Notice how it had large warp engines on it, that look
like the Enterprise engines. Not like the shuttles. Do shuttles even
have warp power, or impulse, or both?
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From: alan@acpub.duke.edu (Alan M. Gallatin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9/DSN: Drinking Game (NEW Compilation)
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:44:40 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

After seeing all the great ideas for the Deep Space Nine drinking game,
I took the liberty of gathering all the entries and compiling them into
the following...  (There have been some MINOR edits on certain lines in
order to standardize the format; also, some lines were reworded to
accomodate line breaks on the PRINTED page)

Have fun!!

-----

                     Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
                     Yet another drinking game!

Take a sip of your favorite drink when...
... Sisko remembers his dead wife; half a drink if she's in a bikini
... there is an orb; take two sips if it causes an orb experience;
       polish off your drink if the orb transports anyone into space
... Odo changes shape; take four sips if the morph is better than
       something in T2
... a spacecraft makes a shishing sound
... O'Brien remembers or refers to the Enterprise
... space station integrity is threatened
... O'Brien fights with the computer
... a ship gets blown up; two sips if it is a Federation ship
... the Trill is transported
... sparks fly from a console or system aboard the station
... Odo tells someone that he cannot assume a particular form
... a character has rolled-up sleeves; two if we see them get
       rolled up on screen

Take a shot each time...
... you see the same ship docking at the same port of the space station
... the problem is resolved within the last 5 minutes of the episode
... a crew member says that something is impossible to do; two shots
       if they then proceed to do the impossible
... Odo complains he doesn't know where he came from

Take half a drink anytime...
... anyone goes through the wormhole; whole drink if they get caught
       in the wormhole
... Sisko smirks at someone trying to pickup the science officer who
       is really a slug in a girl's body
... someone goes into the holographic brothel
... the Enterprise appears
... O'Brien abuses the equipment
... someone forgets that the station has no shields
... a Ferengi hits on Kira (Bajoran officer)
... Kira tells Quark to "get his hands off her <whatever>" or she will break it
... the doctor discusses "fronteir medicine" or brags about his Starfleet past
... someone decides that it is necessary to move the station

Full drink whenever...
... someone has to explain to an alien lifeform the concept of time
... a decrepit spacestation survives an all-out attack by 3 or more
       Cardassian warships
... a member of the Next Generation cast (even Q) makes a guest appearance
... O'Brien has to kick the transporter to get it to work
... anytime "sir" is said (only applies if you want to get drunk REAL quick)

Down an entire fifth if...
... they manage to get Spock or Kirk onto the station

Everyone else drinks if...
... you correctly predict that an object or person (besides Rene
       Auberjonois) is really Odo; you take two drinks if you're wrong

-- 
Alan M. Gallatin <alan@acpub.duke.edu>
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From: bbs.lar@tsoft.net (Larry Greenfield)
Subject: USENET BBSs
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 05:48:11 GMT

   Hi all. I know this is off the subject, but please, I
NEED YOUR HELP if you can help!
   I don't think I can afford to call long distance from the
LA area up to San Fransisco every day to get usenet/internet
anymore.  Does anyone have a list of public access
internet/usenet BBSs in the Orange County/Seal Beach area of
Southern California? --- in the (714) or (310) area codes?
   Please help if you can!  I've been on usenet for quite a
while now, and I find myself suddenly facing the prospect of
being without it.  Please email me if you can help in any
way!  I know there is some board in Stanton, but I don't
know the guest log-on or where to contact the sysop. 
Please, any information you might have would GREATLY be
appriciated!  Thanks very very much!   Please email me
(auto-respond, or mail to    bbs.lar@tsoft.net)  
   Thanks again!!!


--
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: Deep Review 9: "The Emissary" (SPOILERS)
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:24:41 EST

 -=> Jorge Diaz babbled to All and look what he/she said! <=-


 > Wait a minute...it seemed to me that she was ready to surrender before
 >the wormhole opened up....anyone else get this impression?

 JD> I didn't, but I'll go back and rewatch.  Maybe I just misinterpreted
 JD> her actions.

She was.  She was very hestitant, but she was about to tell O'Brien to 
open hailing frequences and relay a message that...

...when all of a sudden Dax informs her of a severe neutreno (sp?) 
disturbance, indicating the wormhole.

Major Kira orders it on-screen and alas, it is the wormhole.  "What did 
I tell you, Jasad, THERE'S your wormhole!"


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From: warren@apple.com (Chris Warren)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 Theme reminds me of...
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:30:54 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Taligent.com

In article <1iljodINNaif@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Ryan Mathews) wrote:
> 
> 
> It is just me, or does the DS9 theme remind anyone else of
> "Fanfare for the Common Man"?  I guess it's kinda appropriate...
> 
The first time I heard it I reminded me of the Krypton music from
"Superman The Movie".

BTW: I saw the second episode yesterday and I thought it was quite
good although bit overacted a place or to... but good.  (your milage
may vary)  I won't say anything else until people get to see it.

Cheers
--Chris
From: dl91@ecs.soton.ac.uk (D Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Deprived in UK (TNG)
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:23:32 GMT

Replying to Deprived in Scotland (and anyone who's interested)

The only way to see TNG in the UK at the moment is either by BSkyB
(and the run ends on 14/1/93, though it is being repeated from the 
start of season one as of 15/1/93) or by video "from any good video 
store". 

As for the BBC, I hope they do what they did with the first showing
and buy three seasons. I'll need more video tapes!

As for Deep Space Nine, God knows when this'll surface over here. 
Might make it before the turn of the century. If the BBC runs all 
the TNG episodes before-hand, I reckon it'll be 1997, at least.
This is worked out by using usual BBC rules:

1) Finish Star Trek TOS season one* at one episode a week.
2) Show TNG seasons four, five and six at one episode a week.
3) Reshow Star Trek approx. six months later as in 1. 
4) Raise some cash by selling TNG seasons four, five and six to 
   BSkyB.
5) Show TNG season seven, etc. (even though the US will be on     
   season twelve!) as in  2.
6) Reshow Star Trek TOS approx. six months later as in 1 and 3.
7) Raise some more cash by selling TNG season seven, etc. to BSkyB.
8) Show DS9 season one at the same pace.

(Take this with a pinch of salt, they may surprise us yet!)

* If they show it all, add another couple of years. 
From: carlson@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Richard Carlson)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:38:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Space Rangers SUCKS BIG TIME!!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA