HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: 2.2 Still an Option?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:13:10 GMT

eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Eric Scott Boltz) writes:

>With all this talk of how slow 3.0 is, I am getting very concerned
>about my planned purchase of a NSTC. I had an 030 cube running 1.0,
>and upgraded to an 040 running 2.1 so I am deathly scared of winding
>up with a SLOW interface again. Hell, everyone here wants me to get
>a Sun IPX and a slow interface would start an endless stream of 
>"wow, my IPX is much faster" comments.
I highly doubt that you would ever find that a NeXT running 3.0 with
anymore than 16 MB is slower than an IPX running OpenLook 3.0.

>Anyway, how easy would it be to get 2.2 up and running on a new 
>machine? Will 2.2 support ADB? 
The latest announcement stated that you need 3.0 to support ADB on
any hardware.
But, 2.2 would work with a Turbo, since that's what I ran all last
summer on a Turbo where I worked. You'd have to make sure to buy the
old-style monitor and old-style sound box and starting point kits so
you get the old-style keyboard.

>Maybe I should just get the IPX; after all a great OS isn't so great
>if you're frustrated by its (lack of) speed and tired of explaining
>it to Sun freaks.
If you seriously think that OpenLook is a more productive
environment, then I'd say you haven't had to use it for very long.
(IMHO, as a biased opinion)

-- 
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Subject: Re: Nitro  -- Really speed of NS 3.0
From: Jerrod T. Carter <Jerrod@Lilly.Com>
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:09:13 EST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Eli Lilly & Company
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In article <1992Oct8.201225.8249@liveware.com> , todd@liveware.com writes:
>I must agree with Jim. We have had no less than 28 megs in our NWS
>and cubes and have been testing Beta 1, 2 and have Gold installed.  It is
>without a question the slowest upgrade since 6.0.7 to 7.0 on the mac
>(which by the was was the last straw and made us stop Mac development).
>I agree with Eric Scott (EPS) that 3.0 does seem to be a serious problem
>and historically a bad release for software (how about Ultrix 3.x ;').

Now I've had good performance since I've upgraded. I did change my hard
drive and went from a client kit to the developer's kit, but still, I'd
think that wouldn't make much difference. I wouldn't say its any faster,
but it isn't any slower either.

Also, you mention your swap file growing like crazy, but mine actually
dropped. It used to boot up at 20MB for swap space, but now only at 16MB.
In addition, it didn't take too much to get the swapfile to grow, but
since 3.0, I haven't seen much growth in the swap file at all. And now I
have even more apps open at once since I've got the developers tools.

jerrod
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From: greg@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson)
Subject: Re: 40MHz NeXTs?
Reply-To: greg@afs.com
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:02:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.215859.28568@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>  
perkins@spot.Colorado.EDU (PERKINS TYLER R) writes:
> I sure don't want to spread misinformation, but I heard a rumour that
> NeXT will be comming out with a 40MHz NeXTStation sometime in October.
> It's supposed to be called the "Nitro"!

For your flaming pleasure, from Robert X. Cringely in Infoworld (10/5/92),  
with all the usual caveats that this is a rumor-based column:

	"...In the alternate worlds, other computing standards are  
probably dominant, which must be reassuring to Steve Jobs' NeXT Inc.,  
which is sure having a hard time making it this world.
	"The NeXT RISC Workstation (NRW) with its twin 88110s and  
sub-$10,000 price, still waits in the wings, though there is a chance that  
it may be delayed yet again as NeXT substitutes a 40-MHz 68040 box  
code-named Nitro and due in January.
	"NeXT's portable is done, too, if only Canon could ship its flat  
panel color displays. And NeXTSTEP 4.0 will get rid of the file system as  
we know it, substituting a databaselike approach using object storage  
technology from Object Design."

It's also been said that NeXT is the only company in Silicon Valley that  
leaks from the top. Hmmmmmmmmm........

--
Gregory H. Anderson          | "We're very tolerant around here,
Benevolent Dictator-for-Life |  being only amateurs ourselves."
Anderson Financial Systems   | - Tortoise (Godel, Escher, Bach)
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From: bkr@drdhh.hanse.de (Bjoern Kriews)
Subject: Re: DSP interface info
Keywords: dsp info hardware
Organization: Digital Island
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:39:08 GMT

ssarmast@ucdacm.denver.colorado.edu (Sam Sarmast) writes:
>I'm beginning a project using a NeXTstation for real time digital
>signal processing and I'm having a little trouble finding information
>on how to interface an A/D board to the DSP port on the back of the
>machine.  Anyone have any thoughts on where I could find such information?

I took a look at the Motorola DSP56ADC16 converters - they have a 
56001 application in their data-sheet. 
What I don't understand (don't have my DSP Uman yet) is, if this is the
32 bit - network mode mentioned in MonsterScope and if this is usable 
with the SoundKit ?

Somebody at NeXT or some other 'enlighted' please (PLEASE) ?

Greetings, Bjoern


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From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: DSP interface info
Date: 8 Oct 1992 01:20:27 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: moomin.berkeley.edu

In article <4000@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> ssarmast@ucdacm.denver.colorado.edu (Sam Sarmast)  
writes:
>I'm beginning a project using a NeXTstation for real time digital
>signal processing and I'm having a little trouble finding
>information on how to interface an A/D board to the DSP port on the
>back of the   machine.  Anyone have any thoughts on where I could
>find such information? 

You typically need 4 wires like below to interface A/D's to the
DSP port.  Actual pin# for signals may vary depending on the
operating mode of the DSP (whether transmitter and receivers are
synchronized or not).  NeXT DSP port presents directly what comes
out of Port-C of DSP56001.  You should get the DSP56000/1 User's
Manual from Motorola for more detail.

;; DSP56001 signal name         NeXT DSP port(DB15) pin#
;; -----------------------------------------------------
;; SCK (SSI bit clock)           1
;; SRD (SSI received data)       2
;; SC2 (frame sync)              12
;; GND (ground)                  9, 10, 11, (15)

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r not).  NeXT DSP port presents directly what comes
out of Port-C of DSP56001.  You should get the DSP56000/1 Use
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From: death@netcom.com (David Burrowes)
Subject: What floppy disk drive options are available for cubes? (question)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:15:57 GMT

I give up.   I guess I should get a floppy disk drive for my cube.
Trouble is, I have no idea what options there are.  I know of the PLI 2.88
one, and I assume NeXT offers some kinda upgrade option.  Are there any
others though?  What do they cost?

Any answers would be appreciated

\david john burrowes

death@netcom.com


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From: hitam.Princeton.EDU!oberst (Daniel J. Oberst)
Subject: Follow-up to Maxtor 660 Disk Problems
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:02:29 GMT

I had this posted a month or so ago and never got any feedback. It took over a  
month for me to get a check (they don't accept PO's) to Maxtor, but I finally  
got the board in last week, had our Tech Support people swap out the old board  
and put in the new one.  I did an fsck and I'm back in shape without anything  
(so far) missing. One thing I did learn during the month is that a cube with an  
OD (*and* 32 MB of RAM) is a usable machine.  I ran off the 2.0 Distribution  
OD, set up an account for my self, and ran a combination of local and  
NSF-mounted apps. I get 100+ pieces of mail a day, (locally) and run a number  
of apps (like NewsGrazer) off a central NFS server, but I found it quite a  
useful machine. Long Live the OD and the Cube!!

> I have a NeXT (Maxtor) 660 MB drive that has given up the
> ghost as a result of a couple power hits while I was away on
> vacation. Here are the symptoms:
> 
> When I try to boot off the drive, I get the following as part
> of the boot sequence:
> 
> READ CAPACITY: sdcmd bad state:0 dev blk len?
> 
> I was able to boot off the OD, and get the following:
> 
> SCSI 53C90A Controller, Target 7, as sc0 at 0x2114000
> MAXTOR  XT-8760S as sd0 at sc0 target 0 lun 0 sd0 (0,0):
> ERROR op:0x25 sd_state:7 scsi status:0x0 ERROR: Can't
> read device capacity ERROR op:0x1a sd_state:7 scsi
> status:0x0 DISK UNFORMATTED Generic SCSI Device as sg0
> at sc0 target 7 lun 7
> 
> and then:
> 
> sd0 (0,0): scsi_timer: timeout op:0x8 sd_state:0 scsi
> status:0x0
> 
> and
> 
>      SCSI Block in error = 0 (no valid label)
> 
> When I try mounting it  I just get an I/O error
> 
> mount: /dev/sd0a on /mnt: I/O error
> 
>  Of course I have data that was not backed up on the disk,
> that I would like to retrieve. :-(
> 
> Maxtor will sell me a PCBA board controller for the disk
> for $450 (cheaper than the NeXT repair charge, and the
> estimates I have had for salvaging data off the disk). 
> Anyone have an idea if this *might* fix things? Could the
> problem be in the controller and not the media?  Any other
> suggestions?  Anyone seen a Norton UtilitiesLook-Alike
> for a NeXT? 
> 
--
Daniel J. Oberst
Director, Advanced Technology and Applications
Computing and Information Technology
Princeton University
116 Prospect Avenue
Princeton, NJ 08544-2089
Phone:	(609) 258-6023
Fax:	(609) 258-1004
Email:	oberst@hitam.princeton.edu (NeXT-mailable)

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Computing and Information Technology
Princeton University
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From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Subject: Re: Yet another confirmation of the demise of the '040 cube (was: Re: keyboard/mouse question)
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:58:42 GMT

In article <BvtMFH.CAC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)  
writes:
[...]
> 
> The ADB support is in the N4000B MONITOR.  So, theoretically, if you
> were to sell you N4000A monitor from your old cube/station and buy a
> N4000B monitor, you could use an ADB keyboard.  This is unofficial,
> as I have never heard anyone say you can do this.

Since ND owners cannot upgrade to the new keyboard by simply changing to the  
new sound box, and since the old mono monitor and soundbox used the same sound  
PCB, you can probably assume the new monitor and soundbox use the new ADB PCB.   
From that you can derive that just buying a new mono monitor will not work.  I  
understand the boot ROM is different, also.  Otherwise, how could you talk to  
the boot monitor, which runs without any OS.

If the above is true about the same ADB PCB being in the soundbox, and display,  
and to do otherwise would've been MORE work, then IF NeXT offers a ROM upgrade  
to use the ADB keyboard, THEN existing mono monitors could be upgraded, by  
buying and gutting a soundbox, at worst.

[...]
> -- 
> David Lemson                                                (217) 244-1205
> University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
> Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
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Jim
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:34:44 EDT
From: <MKK2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: ADB Adapter??

What would it take to build an ADB adapt[eo]r?  That is, a little box that
would accept an ADB compliant keyboard and mouse, and convert it to
the present format, so that old cube owners could use new keyboards.

Has, or will, NeXT freely publish the specs for the old keyboard/mouse
hardware (that is, are they committed to open systems 8-).  I assume the
ADB specs are open.  One of you other readers must be looking for a senior
project.

        m
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From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: Inexpensive Floppy Drives (SUMMARY)
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:07:55 GMT


A couple of weeks I asked the net for this and the best (and only) answers came  
from Dan.Donovan and William Herndon. Thank's guys !
Here's a summury of what they said:

A.I purchased a Teac FD235JS ( 2.8 SCSI 3.5 floppy drive ) and installed it
    in a cabinet that I already had.  The drive costs about $200 and can be
    had from a number of suppliers.  ( You do need a power supply, enclosure,
    and cables, though. )

    The Teac works fine, save for the fact that it is unable to automatically
    sense the disk density, and must be set manually. 

B. Cube Route is one option (800-CUBERTE).  They sell the Sony floppy drive  
used by
NeXT.  Last price I saw from them was ~$180--for a bare drive.  Teac drives  
which
support the same format are widely available for under $100.  Another option is
the SCSI floptical from Insight that Sysgen sells for under $300.  It supports
720KB, 1.44MB, 2.88MB and 21.7MB floppies.  I'm tempted to buy the latter for
testing as NeXT is decidedly unfriendly to the idea of selling me a new bezel (
with the floppy opening) for my Cube.  Cubes with serial numbers in/above the  
3000
range have mounting hardware for 4 half height peripherals, so you might be  
able
to remove the optical insert and use the drive that way.

cheers everybody,

--john m.

PS. Volker Herminghaus-Shirai and slugg jello I tried to send you this  
individually but it bounced !

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From: jon@afs.com
Subject: Re: Buy a Used NeXT
Distribution: USA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:45:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.193128.13156@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>  
wkwong@kalman.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) writes:
> Does anybody know if we need to transfer registration when we sell our
> NeXT to someone else? If that's true, how can I do it?
> 
> Hope to hear from someone who periously buy or sell a NeXT.
> Thanks in advance,
> Andy

Just head over to your local DDV (department of desktop vehicles), take a 
number, and wait a few hours. They'll take care of you.

--
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From: keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins)
Subject: NeXT cube to DX-7 MIDI interface ??
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 13:12:06 GMT


Hello,

I recently acquired a Yamaha DX-7 and would
like to know where I might acquire the appropriate
MIDI connection hardware to connect the synthesizer
to the NeXT.  

I'm not electrically inclined, so I
don't want to have to take some hardware intended
for some other purpose and rig it to work with
my Cube.  I just want a "plug and play" solution.

Any ideas?  

Thanks,
-Keith
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From: alberto@parsec.mixcom.com (Manuel Alberto Ricart)
Subject: Re: On NeXTdimension and Renderman - Who does most the work?
Organization: Is the act or process of organizing or of being organized.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:15:02 GMT


Rumor has it that there's substantial i860 code on the Renderman code.
From what I've seen, it is a bit snappier when run on a system with 
a NeXTDimension. But then, It may just be DPS acting faster...

-- 
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alberto@parsec.mixcom.com <NeXTMail Welcome>
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From: scott@abyss.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Scott Denning)
Subject: Video out  from NeXTDimension?
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:15:32 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Has anyone out there successfully recorded to a VCR from the  
NeXTDimension?  

I have tried to record screen animations using VideoApp and ScreenScape  
with a "regular" VCR attached to the ND with no success.  

I can view videos on screen with VideoApp and NeXTTV just fine, and can  
successfully capture images to .tiff files (great fun, by the way, but not  
my primary use for the ND).

When I've tried recording, I get a signal to the tape, but it's basically  
just "white noise" ... static, wavy lines and bars, etc.  I tried two VCRs  
thinking maybe the problem was at that end, and I've tried two separate ND  
machines.  

If anyone has any help to offer, or even if you have no problems recording  
from the ND, please let me know via email (NeXTMail is fine) or by  
posting.  

Thanks.

--
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Colorado State University
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:41:16 -0400 
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Ethernet?
	<1992Oct14.090440.13657@csus.edu>
Distribution: na

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 14-Oct-92 Re: Ethernet?
Eric P. Scott@futon.SFSU (3970)

> [ munch ]
>NeXT doesn't give a shit about students.  NeXT wants to sell to
>people with *money*--students are assumed to be disqualified
>unless they can prove otherwise--in which case, they're probably
>not complaining, anyway.  Students also tend to be looking for
>"home computers"--NeXT isn't in the business of selling "home
>computers"--they're not FCC certified for use as home computers,
>and priced such that the FCC won't administratively declare them
>intended for residential use.

I agree with most of this article, except for this.  NeXT's student
prices (the educational discount) are as good as you can get.  I don't
believe that there's a cheaper way of purchasing a NeXT than through
higher education.

Why does NeXT have the campus consultant program?  Because it gets the
people who need workstations (comp sci, engineers, graphic design
majors, etc) interested in NeXT's machines.  They are the group that
will be writing or using the newest and hottest programs and starting up
their own companies after they graduate.  And if they've been happy with
NeXTs in the college environment, they'll be a lot more likely to
purchase, or recommend purchasing, machines from NeXT.

This also gives NeXT a chance to hire students in a low-risk position
and see how they perform.  They can determine who they should make
permenant job offers to.  Also, these campus consultants tend to be in a
position to see the cutting edge of computers, and provide NeXT with
feedback about what's the state-of-the-art.

Finally, the FCC issue has already been discussed earlier...I'm not
concerned about using a class A device at home, and neither are most of
the people I know of that have NeXT machines.

All IMHO,

-Chuck



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From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: High Bandwith and NeXT cubes
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:04:08 GMT

basil@aelle.cs.odu.edu (Keith Basil) writes:

>	I'm considering using a Turbo Cube for a network and was
>	wondering if someone can give me some insight on its 
>	ability to handle a 56Kbps connection with about 30-40
>	shell level users.  Ideal configuration would be 64M ram.

I believe the NeXT kernel (under 2.1 at least) is configured for 32
ttys at max.  Anyone know if this is increased under 3.0?  Louie? :-)

-- 
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From: hacker@access.digex.com (Dark Hacker)
Subject: Re: Nitro (medium - long)
Keywords: SLOWING, GOING, GONE
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 16:02:13 GMT

>and cubes and have been testing Beta 1, 2 and have Gold installed.  It is
>without a question the slowest upgrade since 6.0.7 to 7.0 on the mac
>(which by the was was the last straw and made us stop Mac development).

I just upgraded my Cube from NS 2.1 -> NS 3.3 and yes there *is* a
noticable slowdown however it is no where near as bad as the overhead
introduced by Macintosh System 7.0.  My NeXT system is an 040 Cube with
a meager 8 meg of memory although I have a lot of swap on my disk
(about 100 meg) because I do a lot of Lisp and Motif work.

Yes I wait a little longer for the little spinning wheely and for some
apps to launch, but I'm sure THAT NEXT WILL MAKE 3.X A LOT FASTER IN
SUCESSIVE RELEASES (not subtle hint).

The upgrade from 2.1 -> 3.0 was the easiest, smoothest upgrade I've ever done
although few things did break but these were easily corrected.  For example
my rc.local file was replaced but if you're smart, you make backups of important
files like this and then reinstall them afterwards.  One thing I didn't like was
that my File Browser setups all dissapeared.  Grumble.

My biggest complaint are the new icons.  GOD those things are ugly.  And not
just a couple of them.  EVERY SINGLE ONE is hideously rendered.  I thought
the old "folder" icon was dumb looking but the new one is just plain stupid
looking.  And the mailbox.  Yuk!  It looks like they were trying for some kind
of enhanced perspective effect but it comes off really bad.  Please oh
please oh please NeXT PLEASE bring back the old icons and ditch these turkeys!

>I agree with Eric Scott (EPS) that 3.0 does seem to be a serious problem
>and historically a bad release for software (how about Ultrix 3.x ;').

Oh come on its not THAT bad :-)

- hacker

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