HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mbernar@erenj.com (Marcelino Bernardo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: NewsWatcher and system 7.
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:12:59 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, Co.

In article <1993Jan5.174642.273@ll.mit.edu>, yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan
Yasutovich) wrote:
> 
> 
> 	I have a mac which used to have NewsWatcher running
> 	successfully.  All of a sudden it broke.
> 
> 	We re-installed stuff up the kazooo.
> 
> 	Seems that it will only connect to the server if I
> 	re-install sys 6.08  operating system.
> 
> 	It won't connect on system 7.
> 
> 	Anyone else have any prpoblem like this?
> 

NewsWatcher 1.3d5 runs fine on our Mac IIci under Systems 7.0.1 and 7.1. 
What version MacTCP are you using? 

Marcelino Bernardo
mbernar@erenj.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: rowley@theporch.raider.net (Michael Rowland)
Subject: Re: Sources for SupraFAXModem
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 07:42:51 GMT
Organization: The MacInteresteds of Nashville, Tn.

jbasara@ssdc.UUCP (Jim Basara) writes:

> I am looking for a mail-order source to buy a SupraFAXModem.  Please send
> me some suggestions.
> 

Try Mac Products USA  1-800-622-8721
Supra FAXmodem is $335 with cable.

jmr

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.os.vms
From: jwa@vipunen.hut.fi (Jyrki J Wahlstedt)
Subject: Re: Want a Mac front end for VMS Mail
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:01:44

In article <C0K0un.CFr@world.std.com> reuber@world.std.com (kent b reuber) writes:

>I have a user who wants some sort of front end for VMS mail. Currently, he
>is using VersaTerm to connect to his Mac and read mail. What he wants, I
>think, is to have his mail pop up in a real Mac window and be able to
>edit, print, save to Mac disk, whatever. Does anyone know of any
>commercial or (even better) shareware product that will do this?

  According to a Digital catalogue they have a product called DEC MAILworks
  for Mac that does just that. To use it you need PATHWORKS, though (that
  may not be a bad idea anyway).
--
!
!	Jyrki Wahlstedt
!		Jyrki.Wahlstedt@hut.fi
!
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From: mancini@fysik.uu.se (Derrick C. Mancini)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: MacTCP 1.1 runs under sys 7.1 (sort of)
Date: 10 Jan 93 14:45:12 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Fysikum, Uppsala Universitet
NNTP-Posting-Host: usx221.fysik.uu.se

In article <C0K1En.E2F@world.std.com>, reuber@world.std.com (kent b reuber)
wrote:
> 
> I installed MacTCP 1.1 on my Mac IIci running under system 7.1 last night,
> then had a blast gophering, Fetching, etc. It's true that the control
> panel MacTCP crashed on me when I double clicked it. However, AdminTCP seems
> to work fine. I was able to set my IP address, zone, etc. in AdminTCP
> without touching MacTCP, then use it as usual.
> 

We have also been able to successfully run MacTCP 1.1 under system 7.1, in
this case on a Mac IIvx w/CDROM that we run as our file server using the
7.1 native filesharing capabilities.  Gopher, Fetch, Telnet all work.  So
does ftpd, allowing us to offer ftp services dependent on filesharing
priviledges, and there have been no problems in general with filesharing
services.  However, the control panel, DNR, and pref file were all moved
over intact from another machine and the only thing we changed was the
tcp/ip address.  We use native ethernet for tcp/ip.  Perhaps things are
crashing upon the initial creation of the DNR?

In any case, we have now obtained MacTCP 1.1.1, and will be upgrading
very soon.

Derrick C. Mancini
Fysiska Institutionen  -  Uppsala Universitet
Box 530  S751 21  Uppsala  Sverige
mancini@fysik.uu.se
---------------------------------------------
"Are we having fun yet?"  -  Zippy
From: zz1bb@impending.ucsd.edu (Barry Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: How to speed up scrolling in any term program?
Keywords: scrolling
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:08:55 GMT

In <1993Jan8.070457.9232@fcom.cc.utah.edu> dga0380@u.cc.utah.edu (David Godbe Andersen/Biology) writes:

>   I'm curious.  As the proud new owner (or something) of a new 9600
>v.42bis modem, I've noticed a cute little pecularity of *all* of the comm
>software which I own: My modem can get data and dump it to my computer
>much faster than my computer can scroll it past on the screen, which
>causes me no end of frustration at times.. I was wondering, therefore, if
>there were a way I could convince the computer merely to blitz the text by
>and ignore any semblance of order, just to get the speed up?

The first thing to do is to set your screen to the lowest bit depth you
have.  In most cases, this will be black & white mode.  Scrolling in 256
colors is pathetic on most Macs.  On my Mac II, 4-bit mode goes sufficiently
fast for my 2400 bps v.42bis modem.

The second thing to do is pester comm program authors into including
jump-scrolling as a method for handling faster modems.  In this method, the
screen scrolls several lines at a time (even as much as a screenful at
once).  X-window machines do this all the time.  It takes a little getting 
used to, and you end up making liberal use of the scroll bars, but that's 
what they're there for, hey?

-- 
Barry E. Brown        --        \  UCSD Instructional Computing Center
bebrown@ucsd.{edu,uucp,bitnet}   \   Anime Stuff FTP Server administrator
Somewhere in San Diego, CA.....   \    (ftp network.ucsd.edu [132.239.254.203])
"Stimpy, sometimes your wealth of ignorance astounds me." -- Ren
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: jammer@eskimo.com (Lyle Harwood)
Subject: Stock market ap
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:04:39 GMT


Hi! I'm looking for information. I want to learn about buying and
selling
stocks and futures over a modem. I'm looking for information about
how to do it, and suggestions for a program. Thanks!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: aleskine@cs.hut.fi (Arto Leskinen)
Subject: cap60 ol 126
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.comm
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:25:55 GMT

I installed cap 60 patch level 126 into sparc 2. It uses naitive ethernet, 
enet not installed. At start it works all right, but after a while it has
problems finding printers. getzones works all right and tlw finds lasers.

Everything seems to work, but printing does not work. Can this be because
too fast cap for lasers or what? Anyone have any idea. Older version
(pl 60) works all right. I installed it into single directory for testing.

Arto Leskinen
aleskine@cs.hut.fi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu (Matt Healy)
Subject: Re: Help needed connecting to a Mainframe
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Yale University--Genetics
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:24:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.123428.2293@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>,
z_delgadoap@ccsvax.sfasu.edu wrote:
> 
> Hello Net-Land,
> 
> 	I am a technician of a Computer Lab in a Library that runs a VM/NOTIS
> mainframe.  We are able to telnet from the PC's to the Mainframe via Telnet
> 3270, however, NCSA Telnet 2.5 will not emulate a 3270 terminal.  Do any of you
> know of an emulator that will allow us to connect to our mainframe.  We are
> running 30 Mac IIsi's with Ethernet over a Novell 3.11 Network.  
> 
> Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> Please reply to me, and I will summarize if there is enough interest.
> 
> Thanks

There's a program out of Brown University called tn3270, which
is basically a 3270 emulation on top of NCSA's TCP/IP code.
Should be available on most archives.

PS: PLEASE KEEP YOUR LINE LENGTH BELOW 75 CHARACTERS!  My newsreader
lets me widen its window but many do not.                                  


Matt Healy
"I pretend to be a network administrator; the lab
 net pretends to work!"

matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu
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From: povlphp@uts.uni-c.dk (Povl H. Pedersen)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Serial of Champions 1.0.1???
Organization: UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:34:49 GMT

In <noah-120193091617@noah.apple.com> noah@apple.com (Noah Price) writes:

>In article <1992Dec26.225437.1@vax1.umkc.edu>, bfoulk@vax1.umkc.edu wrote:
>> 
>> Does anybody happen to know where I can find Serial of Champions
>> 1.0.1?

>This is from ZiffNet (available through CompuServe), and I believe they
>limit electronic distribution to ZiffNet.  I guess you'd call it "ZiffWare"
>:-)

This is not exactly true. You may not upload it to any BBSs except the
ZiffNet/Compuserve. But you may give it away to all your friends.
So I am not sure if I could put it in my .plan file ? :^)
But as I pay for disk space and CPU here I do not want to do that.
-- 
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pope@imv.aau.dk    -   povlphp@uts.uni-c.dk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
Subject: Nuntius as an offline reader ?
Originator: guckes@medusa
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:48:27 GMT

Is there a chance that there will be a tiny version of nuntius that will
allow to read and handle news folders _without_ the requirement of being
hooked up to a net via TCP (or whatever) ?

I'm in a desperate need for an appl line "nn" for the Mac at home
(which is definitely not connected to the Internet).

Sven :)
From: jdb1@kepler.unh.edu (Jonathan D Baumgartner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Pathworks vs. Novell
Date: 11 Jan 93 05:25:21 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Dover, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

Does anyone have any experience with both of these?  I'd like to get pros
and cons for both sides.

Jon


-- 
Jonathan D. Baumgartner         		         "D O T H  G R O O V E"
jdbaum@unh.edu							   - Tommy Lutz
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			  "I laughed 'til I stopped."  -- Tiny Toons Adventures
From: piglet@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Wootton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: What is ToadNews? server?
Date: 9 Jan 93 20:46:15 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Austin
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16
X-XXMessage-ID: <A77495B90802CC81@slip-129.ots.utexas.edu>
X-XXDate: Sat, 9 Jan 93 14:46:17 GMT

Hi. I was browsing through a abstract file I FTPed from sumex and it made
a reference to a program called ToadNews.  The article didn't say
anything specific but it sounded as though ToadNews was news server
software to collect and expire articles.  Anyone know anything about this
program?  What does it do?  Where is it available?
Thanks!


        	       	       	       	       	---  Michael
From: kellogg@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Lars Kellogg-Stedman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Maclayers like comms. package but with zmodem download?
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:30:57 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

Which brings us back to the original question...is there one available?
With the exception of a MacLayers newsletter that I saw over a year
ago, development on MacLayers seems to have halted - in fact, beyond
the initial release, I don't recall anything appearing with significant
changes.

Does anybody know what happened to MacLayers?  Has there been work on
any similar applications?

Lars
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: onetouch@netcom.com (noone)
Subject: Mac 512 (ancient!) help: Pinouts, comm programs
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:48:59 GMT

I have an ancient Mac.  ORIGINAL upgraded to 512!  Still has the
64k proms.  I would like to know if there are any comm programs
out there that would work with it.  Also I need the db9-db25 cable
specs to connect it to a modem.  Someone else just asked for these
but requested e-mail, so the answere hasn't been posted where it's
readable.

Thank you.

-Richard Hartman
hartman@ulogic.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.apps
From: davea@xetron.com (Dave Alverson)
Subject: ZTerm author - email addr change
Organization: Xetron Corporation, Cincinnati Ohio
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 05:06:17 GMT

I can no longer receive email at davea@tso.uc.edu; this is the internet
address listed in the support dialog of ZTerm.

You can reach me at:  davea@cbos.uc.edu    or   davea@xetron.com

The tso and cbos machines are run by Cincinnati Bell as free community
bulletin board systems.  The cbos machine has replaced the tso machine,
although the tso machine is still used for some things, I think.
When they switched over, however, they made no provision to forward mail
or reject it.  So mail addressed to davea@tso.uc.edu is accepted by that
machine, but I can't access it because I can only connect to the cbos machine.
Any mail sent to me at the tso address on December 7th or later I have not
been able to read.

I have asked the system administrators if they can have my mail forwarded
or at least have it bounced.  They said neither was possible and suggested
that I notify anyone I correspond with of the new address.  Yeah, right!
I wonder if it is illegal for them to accept mail that is meant for me,
but not allow me access to it?

  -- Dave Alverson,  author of ZTerm

-- 
Z    Dave Alverson,  davea@xetron.com
From: saul_sy@hnrc.tufts.edu (Saul Tannenbaum)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: VersaTerm and LAT
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:06:11 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1993Jan4.182622.7184@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, DAVISM@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis) writes:
> 
> 	A user here has a IIci and a Quadra 950, both running VersaTerm Pro
> utilizing LAT Tool as the connection method.  We have observed that both Macs
> are using the same LAT address.  Ideally, we would like each Mac on the network
> to have its own unique LAT address.  Is it possible to change the LAT address
> on either Mac and if so, how?  I thought about trying out ResEdit, but decided
> I would wait for any authoritative answers before delving "where no one has
> gone before." (;-)
> 

The default LAT address is "LAT_nnnnnnnnnnnn/Port0". If you are saying
that the nnn portion is the same, then you have a misconfigured network,
as that represents the Ethernet address and Ethernet address are (and
must be) unique. If your network was that misconfigured, you'd notice
rather quickly, I'd guess.

If you're talking about the Port0 part, it's just a string in the LAT
tool, kindly named DefaultPortName. And, no, I haven't dared change
it either :)

********************************************************************************
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Manager, Scientific Computing           |Internet: SAUL@HNRC.TUFTS.EDU
USDA Human Nutrition Research Center on |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: owens@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Christopher Owens)
Subject: ARA slow finder copy
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:19:37 GMT

I'm noticing that when I dial in from my home machine via ARA, finder
copies of files, especially from my home machine to my work machine,
are brutally slow --- I can see from the modem activity lights that a
great deal of time is spent with the line idle.  This does not appear
to be the case with other large block transfers, say for instance FTP
copies over MACTCP.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can fix this problem, or
at least begin to gather some diagnostic information?
The path looks like:

IIci, 7.0.1
   USR Courier HST Dual Standard
    phone line
   USR Courier HST Dual Standard
  LAN/Rover 8/E
 Ethernet
IIfx, 7.0.1

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: fisher@ncselxsi.uucp (Chuck Fisher)
Subject: Re: Best telecomm soft/hardware for PB170?
Organization: National Computer Systems, San Jose, CA  95131
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:30:58 GMT

Any comments on the PSI modems as compared to the Global Village?  Do
the PSI modems correctly support CTS/RTS (hardware handshaking)?

Thanks,
Chuck
-- 
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ncselxsi system administrator                       (415) 964-2819 Home
uucp:  ...!netcom!ncselxsi!fisher
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: sdorner@qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner)
Subject: Re: Any Comm Program w/ multiple windows?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc.
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.comm
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:57:31 GMT

In article <5201@equinox.unr.edu>, goodman@equinox.unr.edu (Dr. Philip
Goodman) wrote:
> Is there any high-level commun package with multiple windows, or
> at least a split-screen?

If you use a UNIX host, try MacLayers or uw; either one will allow you
multiple windows over a simple modem connection.

The best solution is SLIP; this would allow you to run anything that uses
MacTCP from home, including NCSA Telnet, Fetch, newsreaders, etc.  Ask your
University if they can give you a SLIP connection.  If they can, then you
should get one of the SLIP products:

InterSLIP (info@intercon.com)
MacSLIP (info@hydepark.com)
VT SLIP (part of VersaTerm, available from mailorder places)

--
Steve Dorner, Qualcomm, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: kmarko@hpbs654.boi.hp.com (Kurt Marko)
Subject: Re: What's the best AppleShare file server?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:10:11 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.sys
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho

One of the solutions I've been considering is to run Xinet's
Appleshare server on a workstation (H-P 730 in my case, but I'm pretty
sure they support Sparc and DEC/MIPS).  Has anyone got any experience
with running Xinet's product on a reasonably powerful workstation?
How would it compare in performance to Appleshare on a IIfx or Q/950?

Kurt Marko
Hewlett-Packard Boise Site
From: rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Where can i find a modem tool ?.
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:37:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: rhaller.rhaller-040193123154
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Oregon
NNTP-Posting-Host: rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu

In article <wondertr.726125466@sfu.ca>, wondertr@fraser.sfu.ca (wondertree
learning center) wrote:
> 
> The Modem tool, as well as a host of other, can be found in the archives at
> either sumex-aim.stanford.edu, or mac.archive.umich.edu... FTP sites.
> 
> If they don't have the latest version of the CTB (that's the Communication
> ToolBox 1.1) then try the FTP site at ftp.apple.com, which should have it 
> for sure...

Original poster said he was using system 7.0 so he doesn't need the CTB.
Just drag the modem tool onto the system folder icon and let Finder do its
thing.

System 6.0 users, do, of course, need to install CTB as well as the AMT.
 
> TED

-Rich Haller <rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu>   University of Oregon, Eugene, OR,
USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: cbratton@rock.concert.net (Charley C Bratton -- Microspace Communication -- R/D)
Subject: Weather Fax via Shortwave
Organization: CONCERT-CONNECT -- Public Access UNIX
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.comm
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:41:30 GMT

Hi folks,

Does anyone know of software for a mac that will decode/display
the weather maps that are distributed over shortwave?  I've seen
DOS software that will, but who wants any of that!  The software 
can be commercial of shareware.

Thanks,

Charley Bratton
_no nifty .sig_
cbratton@rock.concert.net

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: mo@gizmo.bellcore.com (Michael O'Dell)
Subject: PB100 modem recommendations?
Reply-To: mo@bellcore.com
Organization: Center for Chaotic Repeatabilty
 
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 12:47:11 GMT

I'm going to take the plunge and get an inboard 14.4K data/fax modem
for my PB100 and wanted recommendations as to brands.  In general,
my price metric is "< $350 for 14.4k"  I have seen the SupraFAXModem 144PB
below this bar, as well as the APS 9.6 and 14.4 modems,
the TWINCOMM 14.4, the SprectraCom 14.4iPB. 

the PowerPort/GOLD still seems way overpriced and I haven't seen a
price on the PSI modems lately (dunno why).

Any comments on these modems (technically or otherwise) or any other choices?

Email to mo@bellcore.com if you please.

	-Mike O'Dell

Bellcore?? Bellcore isn't allowed opinions, and besides, this is MY
money I'm spending!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: pw4963@sarah.albany.edu (Peter G. White)
Subject: Modem cable.
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 05:09:41 GMT


Can somebody tell me where i can find an actual modem cable diagram.
I am trying to test the continuity from pin 2 to pin 5 and have no idea
which pin is pin 2 and which pin is pin 5.

-Peter

_______________________________________________________________________________
Peter White                                Internet:pw4963@uacsc1.albany.edu
State Univ. of New York at Albany          Bitnet:pw4963@albnyvms
_______________________________________________________________________________
From: sanford@aria.Ascend.COM (Curtis Sanford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Telnet 2.5 trouble with Duo 230/System 7.1
Keywords: telnet,duo,7.1
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:59:50 GMT
Organization: Ascend Communications, Alameda CA

In article <93Jan06.155405.21330@acs.ucalgary.ca> moxness@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jack Moxness) writes:
> 
> 	One of our faculty members set-up a docked duo 230 station yesterday.
> He tried using telnet 2.5 (serial setup NO ethernet). It generally worked
> some but whenever the Quit selection in the file menu was chosen and the 
> program exited to the Finder it always put a dialog box message on the screen
> which said "Application has unexpectedly quit!". 

I get the same behavior with Telnet 2.5 on System 7.0.1 with Tuneup, using
it through Appletalk through a Gatorbox.  I will get that message either
on quitting, or simply on disconnecting a session.  Other than that, 2.5
has been an nice improvement over 2.4.02  which I had previously.

I too would appreciate any input from anyone who has knowledge about this
bug.

Curtis Sanford
From: pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Break within Versaterm
Date: 12 Jan 1993 22:13:27 GMT
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network
Reply-To: P.Elford@AARNet.EDU.AU
NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.130.204.4
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Someone has asked me how they can send a Break signal from within 
Versaterm - I assume it's possible, but how ?

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