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Subject: regalia trailer
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 19:22:52

 The Midrealm used to have a Royal Trailer Hitch, that was passed from Crown  to Crown.  I know not if the Crown had to supply the Trailer, or if that also  was passed on.  But I do know that the Crown was responsible (unless they  were smart folks and delegated it) to get the regalia to the event.   Sometimes in the past (don't live there now, so don't know if this still  happens), they didn't always bring thrones along, so folding chairs with a  cape thrown over would become the Royal Thrones!

 Ansteorran monarchs often have pickup trucks, or friends in their entourage  with pickup trucks, so a lot of regalia travels that way.  Baronies are  required to maintain a set of thrones for their Majesties.  There are also 2  sets of traveling thrones (one is a BRIGHT yellow w/Black Star, the other is  nicely turned wood with burgundy velvet cushions) that sometimes come to the  events.  I've helped put the second set together a couple of times, they're  pretty nice.

 --Hope this helps with your survey...

 - Vashti of the Flaming Tresses


 

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
From: kuijt@umiacs.umd.edu (David Kuijt)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pickup Trucks (was Re: regalia trailer)
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:13:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: mimsy.61128
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742

Dagonell asks about fighter vehicles, saying (in part):

>... I made the comment 
>that you could tell which vehicles in the parking lot belonged to fighters, 
>all the pickups and vans.  Lord Madog, who was in Atlantia while in the Army, 
>said that in Atlantia, you could skip the phrase 'and vans'.  If you don't 
>have a pickup, you ain't a _real_ fighter.
>  How is it in the other 10 kingdoms?

Well, like most things, this probably varies a lot.  What Madog said may
be true in central NC, where he was stationed, but is not true in
Northern Atlantia.  I know only two or three people who own pickup
trucks, and none of them are fighters.  In this area the vehicles of
choice have gone from Toyota Tercels (hatchback) to Chevy Cavalier
Wagons over the last ten years or so, and over the last four years
it is increasingly evident that minivans are the vehicle of choice if
you want to keep up with the trends.  Of the top rank fighters in my
acquaintance in the greater Storvik area three dukes have all gone
the Hatchback--trendy Station Wagon route (one has advanced to a
minivan, but he is a less active fighter); one Jarl is stuck in
Hatchback mode, I drive a Tercel to fighting practice, my ladies'
Cavalier to events, and we lust after a minivan, and one Graf drives
a really big van (having jumped there directly from the hatchback
stage, without passing through the itermediate step of trendy wagon).


	Dafydd ap Gwystl			David Kuijt
	Barony of Storvik			kuijt@umiacs.umd.edu
	Kingdom of Atlantia			(MD,DC,VA,NC,SC)
From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: One Oh
Date: 15 Oct 92 05:38:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.719205601.AA00000

JB>  From: brandon@gauss.math.brown.edu (Joshua Brandon)
JB>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
JB>
JB>  Richard writes:
JB>  |>
JB>  |> Mea culpa! Mea culpa! (and me a lapsed Presbyterian ;)
JB>  |> I appear to have completely screwed this one up. Tibor is,
JB>  naturally,
JB>  |> correct; I have searched in the West and Lochac laws for a

[...etc...]

JB>  |> Any suggestions for an alternative verse six?
JB>
JB>  Oh, I don't know --- this sort of scramble sounds period for folk
JB>  songs to me.
JB>   I vote we leave it.
JB>
JB>                     ---Simon

Heheheh...ah yes! Very "period"... One of the maddening things about period 
works of reference is that it seldom crossed their minds to question, much 
less cross-reference, their sources.

Very authentic indeed! Leave it in!   :-)

Moreach NicMhaolain
trifid@agora.rain.com
From: 00acbrown@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Shadowed Stars.
Date: 11 Oct 92 03:29:18 GMT




	Hello, does anyone in the Fort Wane, Indiana area (Shadowed Stars)
area read this? I seem to remember my friend Turlough O'Domnell mentioning
usenet before I had a clue as to what it was. .  .
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Inexpensive, good looking armor
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:12:55 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <718444781.F00010@blkcat.UUCP> Dave.Aronson@p11.f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes:
>Carolus Malvoix (parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)) writeth:
>
> CP> looking good on the field is the second most important
> CP> responsibility of a fighter;-) Fighting well being the first.
>
>Be careful with your terms, m'lord, lest someone confuse "fighting well" with
>"winning".

Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Ye canne of wyrmes is opened.

If you are "fighting well", you will be doing a lot of "winning".

I certainly don't think you should go out there and *lose*.

What is with this attitude that wanting to win is bad? Wanting
to win so badly that you turn into a corrugated-iron-skinned
-rules-lawyering-macho-stick-jock-from-hell is bad.

Wanting to win is, in my books, simply admirable. More admirable
is the willingness to practice hard, learn, and become good
enough *to* win.

So there you go, winning is part of fighting well. Just as
acknowledging blows is part of fighting well. Just as courtesy
and honour are part of fighting well.

Carolus Malvoix, shaking his head in quiet remonstrance in
Montengarde An Tir
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
From: del@babel.DIALix.oz.au (D Elson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Lochac Mailing List 
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 11:58:29 GMT
Organization: 


In article <zebee.719015815@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> zebee@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au writes:

  > I suspect most folks who would be interested already know about it, but...
  > 
  > There is now a Lochac Mailing List for those who wish to discuss
  > things in our fair Principlaity.
  >  
  > Send mail to sca-lochac@DIALix.oz.au and ask to be added to the list.

NONONONONONONONONONONONONODONTDOTHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

Send mail to me (del@DIALix.oz.au) and ask to be added to the list.
Currently, I am the list maintaner, and there is no "auto-subscribe"
function.  Mail to sca-lochac@DIALix.oz.au if you want to mail to
everybody on the list.

Sorry if our wires got crossed, Silfren.

Del
-----------------------------------+-------------------------------------
D Elson                            |  del@DIALix.oz.au del@adied.oz.au

LOCHAC FOR KINGDOM IN 94!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      ^
      +-------------OOOPS who added that scurrelous gossip to my .sig!
-----------------------------------+-------------------------------------
From: tracker@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (William L Schongar)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Alchemy
Date: 10 Oct 1992 15:39:54 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <12695@optilink.UUCP> samlb@optilink.UUCP (Sam Bassett) writes:

>	Jung (in his alchemical works, especially "Mysterium
>Conjunctionis", traces it back to Graeco-Roman Antiquity -- his earliest
>text was from about 500 A.D., showing earlier roots.
>
>	Again according to Jung, it ends shortly after our period -- with
>the rise of modern science in the middle 1600s.

 According to several books on the history of science, the 500-odd AD
reference would be to Zosimos, the natural philosopher who is credited
(correctly or not, they're unsure) with the theory of the
'philosophers stone'. The 'stone' was actually a theoretical chemical
or material which allowed materials to return to a more desirable
state, 'healing' them from their illness of being the wrong material.

 Most alchemy was still supported by prominent chemists until as late
as the mid-1700's, varying by locale. Most influential upon this
longevity were Helmont's doctrines on the topic, and his claims that
he had actually used some of the 'stone' to transmutate elements. Of
course, he called metal precipitate from a solution 'transmuted',
so...

-Tracker, suprised that my paper topic from that strange history class
came up...

(If you're really curious, try looking under Alchemy and various
alchemists in the "Dictionary of Scientific Biography"...)
From: rhaven@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Why have the SCA, Inc.?
Summary: Rememberences of rebellions past
Date: 11 Oct 92 04:16:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: cruzio.4427
Reply-To: rhaven@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us



A:  What makes you think that a local mundane interface would be any more
efficient/responsive than a national one?

B: There have been numerous splinter groups from the SCA and few have
survived, and have no doubt that any kingdom or group removing itself
from the Corporation will be a splinter.  The mailing list itself is
the property of that Corporation.

C: If you do have seperate local mundane entities, people will want to be
real, legal, voting members, and the rather intriguing, medieval-flavored
politics will be replaced by mundane politics.

D: (continuing from B: I guess).  I was one of the most serious
Board critics in my day.  I really did investigate what it would take
to split a kingdom off.  The bottom line is that it doesn't really work,
especially if the Corporation is at all energetic about protecting the
use of its name and reputation.  Most scenerios end up with the SCA and
the splinter battling it out with most of the participants caught in the
middle and about ten individuals playing Death Politics ("If you play with
them, you can't play with us", etc.)

E: If kingdoms are to collect the money and pass a portion of it on to the
Corporation, the Corporation then has a survival motive to really
monitor and interfere with those kingdoms.  States' rights usually
don't last.  I don't think the IRS would be as happy either.

F: (finally, I answer your question)  What does the SCA need from
a mundane organization?  It needs obsticles removed from operation.
Insurance is an obsticle.  Legal consequences of negligence, royal
action, etc. are obsticles.  Difference kingdoms playing incompatible
rules is an obsticle.  That about it.  National newsletters and national
coordination of offices (except maybe fighting, for legal reasons) are
luxuries.

Cheers
From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Dance
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:54:14 GMT


 LB> Looking for a bibliography and diskography for Eurpoean medieval and
 LB> renissance dances.  I am also posting this on rec.arts.dance. but I would
 LB> like to meet all like minded folk where ever they are.

 Good lady, run, do not walk to the postal box and place in it a subscription  to THE LETTER OF DANCE ($12.00 for 8 issues plus a tape at the end of each  volume -- the first one is GOOD) to Mark Waks (Master Justin du Couer), 82  Montclair Avenue, Waltham, MA 02154.
 
 There are dance choreographies, articles on types of dance, musics for  dance, and usually bibliographies -- haven't seen a discography in a  while. The one I hold in my hand whilst writing this is #3 from Dec. 89, AS  24, has Part 3 of the Period Dance Bibliography in it.  I'm sure he has back  issues available. 

 --Hope this helps!  If you have any dance comments to make, I'd love to  talk more on the subject.  I've been teaching it in the Society for a decade  and a half...

 -- Vashti


  

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
From: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Stolen armor (was Re: Twcs' helm)
Date: 8 Oct 1992 19:03:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, tbarnes@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas wrentmore barnes) says:

>Third, a question. If you were to steal a piece of SCA armor where would
>you fence it? 

We've been wondering the same thing here in Three Rivers.  In the last
several months, both Baron Cormac O'Sullivan, the current baron, and
Baron Stephan Ironhand, the founding baron, have had their cars broken
into and (among other things) their armor and SCA weapons stolen.  Since
no one has shown up at fighter practices in either Three Rivers or
Shattered Crystal (the barony across the river in Illinois) wearing any
of it, we assume that the thieves still have it.  St. Louis is hardly the
place for a thriving market in "hot" medieval armor.

Mikjal Annarbjorn
-- 
Michael A. Chance          St. Louis, Missouri, USA    "At play in the fields
Work: mc3078@sw1sta.sbc.com                             of St. Vidicon"
Play: bq434@cleveland.freenet.edu
      mchance@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Landed Baronage Thoughts
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:28:42 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee

In article <YeoanS200WB5IQgb4r@andrew.cmu.edu> David Schroeder <ds4p+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I believe that a formal 'vote of no confidence' procedure
>might be one way to solve the problem.  The details could
>be hammered out at length, but in practice a formal 'vote
>of no confidence' could be proposed by petition of some
>substantial fraction of a barony's population (20-33%)
>which would then trigger a full barony-wide polling.
>If the current baron and/or baroness could not 
>command some much higher level of support (51-66%)
>then the current baron/ess would be required to step
>down and the kingdom's customary replacement process
>would go into effect.

You know, on first reading I think that I could support this.		

I am usually the first person to gripe when I hear people bitch about 
polyester tunics and steel-stringed mandolings, but there is only so much 
oop-ness even I can take, and the idea of an elected Baron makes my skin 
want to crawl right off my body and go hide under the bed.  

But a mechanism for removing a baron without resorting to sharp objects is a 
good idea, and I think that an exception rule is much preferred.
-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
From: lalonde@cs.ubc.ca (Paul Lalonde)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Re:One Oh
Date: 8 Oct 1992 17:16:53 -0700
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: homer.cs.ubc.ca

In article <1992Oct8.223902.19407@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> mdewis@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au ( Mark Richard Dewis) writes:
>Greetings from Richard!
>
>From the top:
>
>*    Twelve for the Twelve great Kingdoms
>
>This line will be true for a few years at least :)
>

Not so quick :-)  Drachenwald has petitionned the East, and the board
has approved their request, to go kingdom.   So you need a new 12.

	Gaerhun

 Paul A. Lalonde	 	Internet: lalonde@cs.ubc.ca

"On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible aux yeux"
				- Antoine de St.-Exeupery
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: ... "Autocr Dancing from Pictures; Waivers
Date: 7 Oct 1992 16:06:44 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <BvqBKB.1F1@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher) writes:
>I hope we've all learned something here.  Never.  NEVER ask a Westie....

>wondering why the women are dressed like mushrooms)....

Probably because it is hotter than hell (i.e., above 75 Fahrenheit)
and we are all wearing lightweight caftans that the wind can blow through.
There is also the point that many of us are _shaped_ like mushrooms,
me for instance...

>When they're done they'll finish by telling you how their kings can do
>anything they want....

And Hal will tell the one about "if the King decides to have privy
trenches in the middle of the field, we say 'Yes, Your Majesty!'--
but you know, it's a funny thing, for the next four months nobody
can find a shovel....."

 and how they don't even know what "curia" means, and

Actually, I found that one out.  It's the right-coast equivalent
 of "Kingdom Officers' Meeting."

>look Jade won a tournament again.

For the seventh time....


Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Argent, a cross forme'e sable

Disclaimer: This is the Cozzarelli Lab's account, not mine--but I don't
think anybody else ever reads it.
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: regalia trailer
Organization: University of Toronto -- Office of the Provost
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:02:35 GMT

In article <718539014.F00002@ocitor.fidonet> Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring) writes:

> The Midrealm used to have a Royal Trailer Hitch, that was passed from Crown  
>to Crown. ... 

When Reynard was King of the Middle and Brynhildr was queen, they were given
a car-top carrier which included PVC pipe spear carriers.  The whole thing
looked like a Star Trek shuttlecraft.  The brand name of the thing was
X-CARGO, but the shire in Michigan which donated it to them did a little
doctoring to make it read REX-CARGO.

Aside from making the spears less vulnerable to the elements, it made it
much easier to cross the border without having to explain what they were.

Aryk Nusbacher
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Multi-Multi-Dukes (was Re: Dancing from Pictures; Waivers)
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:37:43 GMT

In article <1544@niktow.canisius.edu> salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley) writes:
>Aryk writes:
>> >When they're done they'll finish by telling you how their kings can do
>> >anything they want, and how they don't even know what "curia" means, and
>> >look Jade won a tournament again.
> 
>Hal responds:
>> And, yes, Jade just won a tournament again last Saturday.  It will be
>> his 7th reign--one behind James Greyhelm.
>
>I'm curious, who's current record holder for most times on the throne?
>Is Paul of Bellatrix still in the lead?  

Greyhelm and Bellatrix are tied.  Paul does not seem to be actively
fighting.  James now lives in An Tir (though that would not bar him
from a Western Crown Tourney).  The more interesting point is that
Verena of Laurelyn holds the clear 'record' formost times as Queen.
It is rumored (pretty reliably) that James wishes her record to stand.

>I'd be interested in a list for
>each kingdom of who's been on more than ... oh say... three times and 
>how many times they've each been on.  

More than three, huh?

James Greyhelm: 8
Paul of Bellatrix: 8
Jade of Starfall: 6 (one pending)
Henrik of Havn: 5 (at least)
Rolf the Relentless: 3 (at least--he's king now)

I'm not too up on most of the more recent Western Dukes, but there're
probably a couple more that would qualify for your list.

>Principalities are welcome to play
>too.  

There don't tend to be many repeats in Mists and Cynagua, though there
are some in Oertha and Lochac.

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Voting for Board members (was Re: On Barons and Membership)
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:22:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct07.192117.25896@watson.ibm.com> mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman) writes:
>Greetings from Arval!  Hal wrote:
>
>> ...if the BoD wants to have some privelege that means something, they
>> could allow members to vote on BoD members.
>
>I asked the Chairman about this possibility, and she gave me an explanation
>that I'd never heard before.  The SCA, Inc. is incorporated in California
>as a non-membership corporation; the directors are the only legal members
>of the corporation.  According to the Chairman, Calif. law forbids the
>corporation from holding elections of the dues-paying members to select
>directors or to settle any other issue.  

It is ironic indeed that it appears to be the *Board* that wishes to
make membership have some sort of meaning--and the one meaningful
thing that could in any way be done would remove large amounts of the
control from the Board--and require a lot of paperwork to implement.

Personally, I am a member for reasons having nothing to do with any
reasons put forth by the Board--ultimately I am because I think the
SCA--as an organization--is worth supporting.  That is enough
'meaning' for me.  I think that the Board should let the issue die of
neglect unless they wish to make the kind of changes that would be
required to do the one really 'meaningful' grant of privelege that
*could* be done.

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: Unescorted Minors at Events
Keywords: minors releases
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:22:01 GMT

Hal Ravn asks the question:
  Opening the can of worms a little wider:  What does one do if the teen
  wants to participate and the parents are opposed without understanding
  what the SCA does?

You can do nothing.  If simple persuasion isn't good enough, what
else can one do?  The parent may have good, or bad reasons to say
no, which you are not privvy to.

It may not be too good for the teen, either, to inflame a conflict
between a child and parent by taking the child's side to strongly.
There is no telling if this is a healthy family situation.

A good faith attempt to educate and contact is fine thing, in my
book.  Especially if it low-key, and mild.

In terms of convincing the parents, a low-key approach may work
better, as well.  Cults are not perceived as groups that back off
when told no (or, I wouldn't hear so may stories about Moonies
and Jehovah's Witnesses told with such glee).

As I mentioned in my previous posting, I have learned enough about
parenting from listening to my wife talk about some of her patients
at work, to no longer believe that all parents are good or sane.
Even within the realm of the normal, there's a lot of room for
different styles.

	Tibor (you only have to hear about Munchausen's
	Syndrome by Proxy, once, to know how weird it can get)
--
Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)
[I'm just showin' you my opinions: this ain't a gift]