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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: Voice your opinions!
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 20:03:02 GMT

In article <92098.134014JRB128@psuvm.psu.edu> JUDITH R. BELSON <JRB128@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>         I'm always interested in looking at comics I may have overlooked
>  and never bought and read through before, so give me your choices for Best
>  UNDERRATED Comic That's Worth Making an Extra Trip to the Comic
>  Shop to Buy. Also, explain why.

Two years ago, I would have said _Elementals_, as it's probably the best
treatment of superheros extant.  However, with a few rare exceptions, the last
ten issues have been disappointing.

Now, I'd have to go with _The Jam_.  Get all the back issues.  I don't even
know how to BEGIN to explain this series...suffice to say it's tres cool 
Canadian stuff.


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From: ndj20710@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nathan D. Johnson)
Subject: Re: Season of Mists. What was Lucifer's game?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:58:01 GMT

jefft@athena.mit.edu (Jeff Tang) writes:


>In following _Season of Mists_ the entire time, I was expecting the key to
>cause Morpheus some tragic ruinous event.  He certainl8y seemed bent on
>some sort of punishment in the issue before the Sandman arrives.  But
>instead, what happens.  Dream is inconveninced for a while with some
>guests and he gets a chance to free Nada.  The ones who really get it are
>the angels.  Now, that may have been Lucifer's intent, but the revenge on
>Morpheus seems absent. What am I missing?
>--
>Jeff Tang
>jefft@athena.mit.edu

I would assume that Lucifer's intent was to force Dream into a difficult
decision, which in the end would be completely arbitrary. This would then
have the effect of gaining Dream the enimity of several important entities
regardless of his choice. As secondary effect, Dream would almost certainly
end up feeling responsible for almost every result of his decision, since he
has that amazing tendency for self-accusatory melancholia. In short, he was
going to give him hell by giving him Hell. Dream was only saved from this by
a deus ex machina on the part of gaiman, albeit a well crafted one.
	nate
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Black Orchid mini-series
Date: 15 Apr 1992 19:52:07 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine


	The fourth guy was/is Jason Woodrue, aka the Floroic Mac/Floro.
He's a plant guy too.  He was in Arkham Asylum for ages (being a 
plant/man took it's toll on his mind), and then became one of the
New Guardians (ICKY).
	He was in Swamp Thing for a while.  I don't know what he's
been up to since New Guardians folded.
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From: fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Capt. Frank A. Lauro)
Subject: Re: Best/Worst PAD
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:46:21 GMT

rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:

>>	What is your least favorite PAD story?  Why?

>Uh... good question.  I think I'd have to say his origin of the Justice
>League (at least, I think it was him).  But it may not have been entirely
>his fault; the post-Crisis revisionism and forced humor (constant humor has
>NEVER worked in the JLA, and I'm convinced that it never will) sunk it
>almost from the start.

Even if you're right about the failure of the humor of JL[x], don't blame
Peter.  He had no part in *anything* related to the League, pre- or post-
Crisis.
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From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Bob Newhart to portray comic creator
Reply-To: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 17:00:57 GMT

According to today's Boston Globe, Bob Newhart will be doing a sitcom for CBS
next season in which he'll portray the creator of a comic book hero called
"Mad Dog". Look for a name change when Marvel's lawyers realize they have a
character named Mad Dog, namely Patsy Walker's ex-husband most recently seen
in SHIELD.

The show is "written and directed by the off-camera line-up at Cheers", and
will be titled "Bob". No word on whether the show is actually another strange
dream that Chicago psychiatrist Bob Hartley is having.

Hmm, if Marvel does in fact force a name change, I wonder if they'd consider
using Suicide Squid...anyone got an address for the producers and/or Newhart?

"Imitation is the sincerest form of Television." -- Mighty Mouse
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Best/Worst PAD
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:21:41 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Apr09.150919.85495@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Here we go now...) writes:
>I haven't read everything PAD has done, far from it.  But I guess the best
>stuff that I have read of his were the few issues before Hulk #377, where he
>was exploring the split Grey/Green/Banner personalities.  I also many of
>the Grey Hulk issues, especially one in particular, where the Grey Hulk and
>Betty reconcile their differences.  Unfortunately, I'd have to say that the
>first few issues after the Hulk became green again were rather lackluster.  I
>just don't like the Pantheon at all (a cheap man's Avengers), and the Hulk was
>rather unlikeable.

My perception of the "new" green Hulk is that David hasn't been quite sure
where to take the character.  Either that, or he's had trouble with the
execution.  Banner is big, and green, and sorta thoughtful, and also sorta
mean, and that's about all the depth that I can really glean from the
character as it stands now.  Well, okay, there's the tension with Betty,
but that's hasn't been followed up on much.

I *really* don't know what to make of the Pantheon.  They seemed like they
had some overall purpose in mind when they were introduced, but so far
they only seem like a plot device to get the Hulk where the action is, and
I don't find the characters very interesting, and I keep looking for some
intriguing symbolism in them all, but can't find any.

While I like the basic ideas behind all of this, since the Hulk became green
again I don't really think the book has gone anywhere.  There have been
several good individual stories, but I don't sense any overall direction.
But since David has reinvented the character and his environment several
times since taking over the book, I'm hanging around to see what he comes up
with next.

Besides, the art is terrif!

-- 
Michael Rawdon
rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"It is a fool's prerogative to utter truths that no one else will speak."
				- Dream, "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
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From: sasso@flounder.phy.anl.gov (John F. Sasso)
Subject: Re: X-Man Traitor
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:04:46 GMT

In article <92100.210504MAC139@psuvm.psu.edu> <MAC139@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>The traitor: Some say it's Gambit, some say it's Bishop (myself included), some
>say it's Rogue. Maybe, maybe it's all of them. Follow: Gambit has been trying

The traiter cannot be Rogue.  They've spent too much time proving her loyalty.

>to touch Rogue despite her protests that "ah'll absorb your psyche and powers,
>blah blah blah." Gambit could touch Rogue and take over her psyche. Next he

I didn't know Gambit could do this?  I thought he was just a kinetic projector?

>seeks out Bishop who is the energy caster. From there they blast or power-zap

I thought Bishop could only absorb and recast energy?

>whoever's left. Don't ask me about motives here. I don't think Gambit is the
>traitor so I don't know why he'd do it. But the method seems to be there.
>Maybe Mikail is involved; he (or Bishop) forces Gambit into touching Rogue and
>starting the process. Again, that could be the smoking gun, but as for a motive
>I haven't a clue.
>--BJP


I'm thinking that it has to be Bishop.  People seem to like Gambit a lot.
(Though I wouldn't count him out yet.)  Bishop has enough defenses to 
fight the entire X-Men to a standstill.  Toast Gambit, Cyclopse, and
Storm with their own zorch attacks, etc.  We've seen him badly shot up
and walk away from it undazed.  Motivation?  Not sure, but he is more
than a little unstable.

The only way I can see the traitor being Gambit is if the editors decide
that they really do need another black character.  

							John F Sasso



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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: PAD books
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:56:33 GMT

Some PAD news. "The Disenherited", his newest Star Trek:TOS novel, is out.
        It's a collaboration w/ two other writers (both tied to DC's Star Trek,
                 Bob Greenberger and someone else

I think).  It seems to take place durring the tv series (rather than durring the
movies)

Also I found out that WALDENBOOKS can order the Psi-man series (and prob. Photon
).  Just go down to your local Walden.  Give them the title and Author( or even
better the serial number --listed on the mega-cool book listing a last week).
and wait for it to come in.

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From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: The Cowboy Wally Show and Kyle Baker
Keywords: Cowboy Wally, Kyle Baker
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:58:43 GMT
Reply-To: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.; Campbell, CA

In article <1992Apr13.213627.16621@cs.yale.edu>, hartman-edward@CS (Edward Hartman) writes:
>Around 1987, I encountered (and bought) what I believe is the most hugely
>entertaining object ever to be brought forth in the history of man which was,
>to speak in precise terms, a copy of (Spiderman artist) Kyle Baker's 
>_The Cowboy Wally Show_. 

Isn't it funny how people's perceptions differ?  I never, ever would
have described Kyle Baker as a Spiderman artist; I would have described
him as the writer and artist of WHY I HATE SATURN.

Well, *I* thought it was funny.
-- 
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   dougm@hal.com    | "Not really."
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From: wrlutz@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (William R Lutz)
Subject: Re: adamantium
Keywords: sdrowyeK
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:35:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.183731.6138@en.ecn.purdue.edu> rymarz@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Daniel Rymarz) writes:
>What is the tensile strength of adamantium?
>Brinnel hardness?
>Izod impact?
>Modulus of elasticity?
>Melting point? 
>
>How do you sharpen adamantium claws?
>
>How unbreakable is unbreakable? Could you drop a tank of Wolverine and 
>have him come out smelling like a rose?
>
>
>	

	This is one thing that Marvel has never been good about.  Wolverine 
will somtimes use his claws to pick up a table or climb a wall and then the
next thing ya' know he's cutting through foot-think steel.  Ofcourse then
there's the thing when he puts his hand up near someones head and two of
his claws are on either side of thier face.  How big are his hand?  Can the
claws bend? Or what?  Maybe Marvel needs to follows DC's Batman Idea about
having one editor run the whole show for all of Batmans appearences in all
of DC's comics just to make sure he stays in character.  This will be one
reason to buy Batman again.

Just my $0.02 worth.

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 18:53:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

rudeboy@wam.umd.edu:
>>...the most likely traitor to the X-Men and would make the best story and 
>>fitting ending would be Wolverine.

>My gut feeling tells me that Bishop is the traitor of the X-Men...

You're both ignoring the obvious, which is that the future from which
Bishop comes is not going to happen.  For one thing, he comes from a
world in which there was no X-Man named Bishop.  More to the point,
there can only be a destruction of the X-Men of the sort which Bishop
'remembers', if Marvel cancels the title -- or at least the clocks of
most of the money-making characters currently in it.  So we can take
it for granted that either the treason will never happen in the current
continuity (as in, the new team just ignores it) or it fails.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   God helpe the man so wrapt in Errours endless traine  -- Edmund Spenser
From: 00pebenson@bsu-ucs.uucp (Etrigan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Lucifer Etymology (was RE: Lucifer, Pheonix)
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:41:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Apr14.134139.6341

In article <92099.190939WK60BUSW@MIAMIU.BITNET>, WK60BUSW@MIAMIU.BITNET writes:
> what I had heard in conjunction with "light bringer" is that lucifer was the
> name of the morning star at one point (or lucifer was "bright morning star").
> Dunno know the validity of said claim and take no responsibility for error.
>  
> normy

I think that you're on the right track.

The way I understand it is that the morning star was Venus and was called 
Lucifer because it was the brightest star in the morning.

I've heard Satan called Lucifer Morningstar or Lucifer, Child of the Morning in
some of my comic books (Demon and Sandman I believe).


If anyone else can elucidate further on the subject, please do so.

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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Blind Dates from Hell
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:18:06 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <ROBI.92Apr8132215@ivan.bacchus.esa.oz> robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.004643.3009@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>: BTW, also in this story, Phineas T. Horton, who was working with the
>: governments, examined the Vision and discovered that it wasn't really his
>: android, which led the Avengers to uncover and revive the original Human
>: Torch android, which is why he's around now as well.
>
>Did they ever say where the vision came from then ?

Ultron used some of Phineas T. Horton's android molds to form the Vision.
He didn't build the Vision in the same style as Horton built the Torch,
however, so they were different androids, and that's why Horton said it
wasn't his android.  It was similar, but not the same.  Sorry, I probably
should have cleared this up the first time.
From: paladin@starbird (Vaughn Clark Gross)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Rogue and Cyclops Questions
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:56:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: wpi.1992Apr17.185648.28229
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

In article <1992Apr15.053733.18277@access.usask.ca> donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald) writes:
>paladin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Ever Shifting Bearlike being...) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr14.002610.24663@access.usask.ca> donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald) writes:
>>>uk02700@nx05.mik.uky.edu (mitchell e french) writes:
>>>
>
>A while ago, I wrote...
>
>>>This is just a theory of my own, but what the heck, I'll toss it out...
>>>
>>>	I don't remember if Rogue has ever tried to use her power on a telepath

>Ok, but why... I just proposed the theory, but no one who has shot it down has
>tol me why a telepath of some power (Like Charles) could not hold Rogue off.
>
>David.
>	BZZZZZZZTTTT!!!!!!!!   wrong... but thank you for playing...
>
>>	Rogue in issue 176?

okay... i think i already shot it down once.. other than the issue 176...

	doctor druid in the x-men vs. avengers limited series... she absorbed
  his powers and after doing so took on some of his mannerisms... she was still
  in complete control tho... 
	as to prof x.. he is the most powerful human telepath... so he would 
  probably be in control if he was absorbed.. but he could not stop the 
  absorbtion... after all... he is only human right?       8)


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 		       |	 No.... I guess you wouldn't.....	 
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human is the foulest name i can ever call a person......
From: gmkoenig@acsu.buffalo.edu (Gerson V Koenig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Sandman Movie?!?
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:21:06 GMT
Organization: UB

I like the idea of Bowie as Lucifer. There was a frame somewhere, I think 
in the first or secon dissue of Seasons of Mist, where I looked at Lucifer and 
said, "Why are they drawing him to look like David Bowie?" The one problem is 
that he looked like David Bowie di about ten years ago.

Of course, IMHO, this movie will never and possibly should never be made
Gerson Koenig
gmkoenig@acsu.buffalo.edu
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From: vjmurphy@carina.unm.edu (Phred T. Platypus)
Subject: Re: The Annotated X-men Vol #2 (130-139)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 06:16:42 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

     I think you have the wrong title.  These are not annotations, but
 summaries.  Annotations have notes that explain certain things
 in the issues.


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Subject: Re: Marvel's overused lines
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:07:51 GMT
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: jjfink

> How about this overused line: "I'm the best there is at what I do, and what I
> do best isn't very nice.  I have an adamantium-laced skeleton and claws and a
> mutant healing factor..."  This one's used more often than the psychic knife
> bit.

Other overused lines:
	You have sown the wind, now reap the whirlwind!
	...the purest expression of my (mutant/magical) power
	(for the Ghost who Walks) [any Phantom phans out there?]

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From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: RAC SPLIT:NO!!!
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:25:33 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Apr7.184433.29998@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) writes:
>    But what about the people who have had to stop reading the group
>because of its size. Rec.arts.comics does receive an average of 140
>posts per day,

Quite frankly, I think that this is chickenfeed.  I wade through
rec.arts.comics in a few minutes with the nn newsreader.  I don't even use
a killfile.

>		and for some people who would like to read about comics
>don't have time, or newsreaders with kill file capability to get to the
>comics that they want to see.

Then, frankly, I think that they should get better newsreaders.

>				Personallty I see a reorg, as something
>that will have to happen eventually, as the readership of UseNet
>increases.

Personally I see the installation of more powerful newsreaders at every
site as something that will have to happen eventually, as the readership
of Usenet increases.  AND I think that it will have a much greater benefit
to the readers than splits will.  (And you won't have to listen to me and
others bitch about it for several months. :-)

>	    Eventually rec.arts.comics will find itself back at the top
>of the list of newsgroups for message traffic. As it is, rec.arts.comics
>was the 3rd highest rec.arts.* group behind r.a.movies and r.a.tv.soaps
>for the month of March.

Get r.a.c up to 300 articles/day and I might agree with you.  Maybe.  140
articles per day is nothing, IMO.

-- 
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University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

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From: gmf2@quads.uchicago.edu (gary michael feldman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: MUTANT: Rogue and Sexual Harassment
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:03:35 GMT
Reply-To: gmf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Seems to me Rogue has been getting very lax in covering her body
lately.  There have been several instances where she's exposed
a lot!

Gary

p.s. I"mnot saying this means Gambit is justified!!!!!
From: gmf2@quads.uchicago.edu (gary michael feldman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Powerpax
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:54:24 GMT
Reply-To: gmf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Could someone give a summary of who Powerpax are and their 
powers? I know they are a bunch of siblings each with a  power
and that Franklin Richrds hangs out with them.

Once Ir ead a story with them and one of the kdis looked like
i horse???????

Specificlaly, who is Julie Power, and why would this new
one in the x-force annual get all the powers?

Gary