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From: "karen mcmurray" <karen.mcmurray@canrem.com>
Subject: ferret rabies vaccination
Reply-To: "karen mcmurray" <karen.mcmurray@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:21:24 EST


UF>    Subject: Ferret FAQ diff 0.2 > 0.3

Thank you for your work on this!

UF>   If you (unlike me) live in a country where there exists rabies,
UF>   rabies shots are presumably mandatory.

UF> Urban Fredriksson  urf@icl.se

I live in an area where rabies is quite a problem.  Although there is
no law requiring ferrets to be vaccinated (no license==no vaccination
requirement), both of mine have been vaccinated annually.

Since they are house-ferrets and spend very little time outdoors (none of
it unsupervised), the reason has more to do with humans than with rabies;
if one of my ferrets bites a neighbourhood child, I want to have that
(HUGE) vaccination tag to reassure the parents!

In Ontario, if your unvaccinated ferret bites someone who reports it,
your ferret will be taken from you and killed.  Apparently, there isn't
much knowledge about rabies in ferrets, so they will *not* be quarantined.
(This happened in Toronto about two years ago.  I doubt it has changed.)

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From: njl@drutx.ATT.COM (LaRocheNJ)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: fat bunny
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:07:17 GMT
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

In article <RMURA.92Dec17223333@world.std.com>, rmura@world.std.com (Ron Mura) writes:

> In article <22911@drutx.ATT.COM> njl@drutx.ATT.COM (LaRocheNJ) writes:
> > Fur-balls don't cause malnutrition--death is likely to occur far sooner than
> > malnutrition.

> Well, we had an autopsy done and that is what the vet said happened 
> (failure to eat due to effects of hairballs).

I don't mean to quibble, but "failure to eat" and "malnutrition" aren't the same.
Hairball certainly causes a rabbit to stop eating, but malnutrition is the result
of not eating for a long period of time.  Failure to eat, in a rabbit, can cause
problems that are likely to be lethal before malnutrition occurs.

Did your vet specifically say "malnutrition"?  If so, I certainly won't argue with
her/his findings, but if that is the case, I'm surprised.  I've never known of a
rabbit surviving a hairball long enough to suffer malnutrition.

Nancy LaRoche (HRS)
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From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Sneezing Darwin
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 18:29:26 GMT

In article <22895@drutx.ATT.COM> njl@drutx.ATT.COM (LaRocheNJ) writes:
>
> Stress in a rabbit can be anything from a bad dream or unfamiliar
> noise/smell/whatever (ever heard the "thump!" in the middle of the
> night?) to an undetected infection (one of my volunteers took her bun
> to a vet because of some mild ear shaking and he found infections in
> both ears (like kids get) that had probably been there for months,
> possibly years).

Hmmm. Mild ear shaking. My Bun does tend to shake his head and flap
his ears a bit too often. So I better take him to the vet soon. It's
one thing to have the Bun twirl and flap his ears from side to side
just before he starts running circles, but quite another to have him
do that as if he's trying to shake off some itch deep in his ear. This
could prove to be quite serious.
-- 
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From: jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Funny bunnies
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:58:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CAT-TALK Conferencing System

In article <1992Dec20.164930.18266@news.cs.indiana.edu> "Amy Young Leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
"In article <1992Dec20.153808.1@stsci.edu> kenny@stsci.edu writes:
">Well, I guess I'm a member.  I sent them money last August and have received
">only one House Rabbit Journal so far.  And I do hug them; unfortunately, not 
">all of them appreciate it - I have scars and scratches to prove it.  They
">much prefer I scratch their backs.
">
">Debbie
"
"Perhaps Dink is just strange, that would be no far stretch of the
"imagination, but he loves to be held.  Sometimes of course he's too
"busy, not in the mood, has a headache, etc, but as a rule, he doesn't
"mind being picked up at all as long as he's supported properly.  
"
"Perhaps it was because we got him really young, and I constantly was
"holding him, carrying him around, petting him, probably in all the
""wrong" ways.  But he's used to it now, and uses me as a human jungle
"gym when he feels he's not getting enough attention.  
"
"How much did most of you pay for your rabbits, if you received them
"from a seller?  Dink was $14.99 at a slightly out of town pet store
"that had about eight of them, half spoken for, in the first part of
"June.  Other stores normally don't have a whole lot of them, if any,
"except around Easter.  The thought of all the impulsive purchases is
"almost too much... Anyway, at other pet stores I've seen them for $30
"or $35.  I can't believe it. 
"
"Can't say I still haven't been tempted to get Dink a friend... 
"

Got BunBun from a pet store in Lakeside Mall in Sterling Hts. He was
19.95 plus tax. I'd get him a companion if 1> He turns out to be a
she, then I'll get her another female friend (so they wont fight) and
2> If we move and have more room to expand the cage.
 
Right now BunBun is in a 2' x 2' cage and is just thrilled. In fact,
he likes real tight space. He'll often shove his litter box out of
the way and squeeze himself between it and the cage wall to sleep.
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From: alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Amy Young Leith)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Brushing a shedding bun
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:19:09 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington


I have noticed that Dinkum is shedding like crazy.  I took an old
brush we had, one of the square men's brushes that have a lot of bristles,
and sat down and gave him the once over.  HE LOVED IT!  

He would move around so the brush was over an area he wanted brushed.
If I stopped he's nudge his nose under the brush and push.  He sat
there just so easily.  I figured I'd have to tie him down to brush
him. 

And now that I've stopped he's using the whole apartment as a race
track.  Gee, I think he liked it.  =)  He's been out pretty close to
80% of the time lately, and he's been playing with EVERTHING.  He has
a few toys.  But now he's making EVERYTHING into a toy.  

WHY is he shedding now?  The hair to me, in the brush, looks to be all
one color, and he's a white and multicolored bun. 

amy



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From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Sneezing rats
Keywords: sneezing, rats
Date: 20 Dec 92 12:55:00 GMT
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
Distribution: usa
Organization: gators 'r us
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992

In <1gnej9INN55u@early-bird.think.com>, Paul Bickford writes:
>Hi, all. I have a semi-serious question to ask:
>
>I have a wonderful rat, but she has the habit of emmitting little sneezes on
>a regular basis. Her eyes/nose are free from discharges, and in all other
>respects she is a happy rat. Are her sneezes normal, or are they being caused
>by some allergy (too much dust?)? Her living environment is cleaned regular-
>ly, too. Anyone else seen similar sneezing in their rodent?
a pet store owner told me recently that rats, like dogs, will sneeze
deliberately wehn inviting their humasn to play with them.
-- 
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From: kenny@stsci.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Funny bunnies
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:38:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute

In article <1992Dec19.225920.759@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:
> In article <1992Dec19.173224.1@stsci.edu> kenny@stsci.edu writes:
>>Are there any other folks out there with bunnies as crazy (or daring) as this
>>one?
>>
>>Debbie (slave to 9 bunnies)
> 
> Debbie: I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post. I highly recommend you
> contact the House Rabbit Society, if you aren't a member already, and
> submit to them a few choice photographs of your hrair of buns doing
> their evening siflay. I have a few choice pictures of my one single Big
> Bundle of Bun (15 lbs), but very few of us (with notable exceptions)
> can approach your nine Buns.          << Hug Them >>


Well, I guess I'm a member.  I sent them money last August and have received
only one House Rabbit Journal so far.  And I do hug them; unfortunately, not 
all of them appreciate it - I have scars and scratches to prove it.  They
much prefer I scratch their backs.

Debbie
From: graziano@ravel.udel.edu (Lisa Marie Graziano)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: ferret shots
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:37:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Delaware


About rabies shots, and other vaccinations.  I've heard that shots
developed for dogs or cats may actually be harmful for ferrets.  Is this
true?? That is the reason mine haven't been vaccinated.  But they spend
about 6 weeks each year in the company of numerous dogs and cats, so maybe
they should be vaccinated.
Lisa, Hava, and Cheerio
From: jberry@brutus.ct.gmr.com (John Berry CT/90)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Help for teaching Macaw to talk?
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:45:13 GMT
To: tuttle@pine.circa.ufl.edu


Dan,

I was thinking about doing something similar with my yellow-collar (though
not for exactly the same reason). If you do decide to board the birds together,
I would be interested in hearing how well it works.
From: chelsea@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Small pet horrors
Keywords: Hartz, parakeets, abuse
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:09:56 GMT
Organization: The Old Coot's (Spare) Almanac

harrison@adm.csc.ncsu.edu (Lou Harrison) writes:

> scathing letter to Hartz telling them that they should get out of the
> live pet business unless they can provide trained individuals and
> veterinary service for the animals they send out to these stores. I also
> told them I would not buy ANY Hartz products until they agree to either
> stop selling animals or to sell them responsibly.  I encourage all of
> you to write similar letters and to boycott Hartz.  I fear the only way
> to motivate them is through their profits.  I am also in the process of
> 
> Please tell your friends and collegues and help to stop these practices.
> Below are some of the addresses I have.
> 

I agree completly.  I have not had any such expirience with live animals,
but there foods\medicines are NOT satisfactory in my opinion.  There
food is always low in protien, well, most foods.  And when my rat, Templeton,
was sick, (he had mites) I gave him some spray for mites that were a Hartz
product.  Temleton got pnemonia and died in the vets office.  The vet said
that he breathed in the spray and got really sick from it.

 I know this could happen with any brand, but I never buy Hartz stuff for
my pets anymore.



                           CHELSEA+MICKEY


> 


chelsea@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca (Chelsea Graham)
                  The Old Coot's Almanac
               Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada
                    Courtesy the old coot hisse'f!
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From: lburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Laura Burt)
Subject: Re: Identifying TIels
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 00:03:28 GMT

In <Bz3Jwp.F4J@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ammg2052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Aaron M. Moy) writes:

>Regarding Amy Jorgenson's tiel observation:

>	To the best of my knowledge, there is no cockatiel mutation which 
>	involves red patches on the body.  
Generally in pet stores in colorado the cockatiels with red patches are
babies.  High volume breeders will dye part of the wings of baby birds red
so that they can easily be distinguished from the adults.  Usually these
cockatiels are not handfed. 
-- 
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uunet!isis!lburt  or  lburt@cs.du.edu
From: twollnik@aud.alcatel.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Prevue Hendryx
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:02:50 GMT

jberry@brutus.ct.gmr.com (John Berry CT/90) writes:


>Well, I hava a PH model 122 that I hope to replace, but not because it  
>is insufficently sturdy (I just want something larger). The PH seems plenty
>strong enough for my dwarf macaw. The little plastic dishes they use in my
>model probably wouldn't stand up to a full size macaw for long, however.

>The bottom tray of mine is a square frame with sheet metal piece that comes
>out (for easy cleaning, I suppose). I would think a full size macaw could 
>bend that sheet metal, if he could get to it. But there is a bottom grate 
>in the way that is made of the same gage steel as the bars. He'd have to 
>pry up the grate to get at the bottom steel sheet.

>The bars run in both directions (not just vertical), so twisting them
>out of shape seems a bit unreal to me.

>I am generallizing here, of course. The 122 is a 20x20x29 small-medium parrot 
>gage.  

Thanks for all of the replies I have recieved.  I have found a PH #132.  I believe
that it is a new (larger) style.  Can anyone confirm this.  A store in Dallas
says that it is about $750 retail, but they are selling it for $449.  If indeed the
$750 price is correct, then this looks like a steal.  Anybody out there seen this
cage, and what does it cost by you.

Thanks again for all of your responses.

ted
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: me@vikings.austin.ibm.com (Michael E)
Subject: Cockatiel behaviour question
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:39:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM, Austin
Keywords: Cockatiel, rubbing 


One of our male cockatiels began rubbing what presumably would be his crotch against the tree branch he was sitting on. Can one of the fellow netters enlighten me why? The bookstores do not have any books that mention this, and I'd like confirmation of what the vet I call tomorrow will say.

Thanks in advance.


Screech & <bird to be named later>, the cockatiels
Wrongway, the parakeet
Noisy Noodle Nuisance & Clack (formerly of Click n Clack), the cats
Oblivious and Aussie, the dogs
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From: ammg2052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Aaron M. Moy)
Subject: RE: Training
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:37:41 GMT

In response to John Berry's inquiry about training:

	I haven't had personal experience with good training books, but 
	BIRD TALK is a good source for tricks and things.  The March '92
	edition has an article on simple trick training (page 59).

Aaron Moy
ammg2052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 			Was that the phone...
"The Baby's Nest" Hand-Fed Birds		or the bird???
Urbana, Illinois  
(217) 328-1838
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:19:56 EST
From: teri <TLD115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Hertz
 <1992Dec16.155416.27786@schaefer.math.wisc.edu>

Hartz....urgh.
 Ever see the Hartz Blockade flea spray on the shelves?  That stuff has killed
alot of small animals, but it is still on the shelf.  The Vet I worked for had
alot of animals come in very sick, and dead, because people sprayed them with
Blockade.  The mix of chemicals in it does one heck of a job on fleas,
unfortunately, it does the same to the animals.

Hartz got all sorts of complaints about it, took it off the shelves, and
supposedly ran more tests on it and pronounced it safe..WRONG!!!!!!!!!


At any rate, I don't like Hartz to begin with, and never buy any of their
products.


teri
From: karyn@cheetah.llnl.gov (Karyn Pichnarczyk)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: HARTZ - Re: Small pet horrors
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:49:06 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

>Apparantly they want stores to sell HARTZ products and only HARTZ 
>products. 

Well, Saturday I was in the KMart in Livermore, CA.  It sold both
HARTZ brand items as well as some Sergent (sp?) brand items, such as
Sergent flea collars, in particular.
From: tuttle@pine.circa.ufl.edu (Dan Tuttle)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Help for teaching Macaw to talk?
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:33:14 GMT
Expires: 10 Feb 93 05:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: tuttle@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of FL - Dept. of Anatomy and Cell Biology
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

I have a 2 yr old Severe Macaw (A. severa; a miniature species) that I 
have had for about 6 mos.  When I got it, it could say "hello" very 
well and whistle the first half of a wolf whistle.  Since then, I have 
been trying to get him to talk more but he has not learned anything 
more despite listening to a tape that I made for him and trying to get 
to at least say his name (Ruben).

Can anyone tell me how to get him to talk more?  He is a very nice 
bird but a little more talking would be welcome.  He has a very large 
cage (3'x5'x5') so I was wondering if putting him with a more 
talkative bird (e.g., African Grey, which is about his size) would 
help.  Any answers will be sincerely appreciated.

Thanks--Dan
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: zarecki@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Deanna Zarecki)
Subject: Re: Hertz
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:54:16 GMT

mawells@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:

>I had a vet tell me that Hartz products were the absolute worst on the 
>market.

  I absolutely agree!  My husband has been in and out of the business for
 12 years now.  I've also had my share of jobs in various pet stores,   
  wholesales (sp?) and grooming!  My husband is so avidly against Hartz 
 products, that he has been known to give mechandise to someone using Harts
 just to show them what crap! it really is.  I have seen first hand as a
 groomer what Hartz shampoos and flea products can do to an animals coat.
 It doesn't clean very well, doesn't work on fleas, and irritates the skin
 something fierce after prolonged use.

	Please, please, please,   ANYONE using Hartz products,

 do yourself a favor, throw it away, and spend a little more money on 
 something that's worth it!  Your pet will appreciate it.

Deanna


From: billg@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Bill Gingras)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:17:57 GMT
Subject: "Female" 'tiel Behavior?
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds


I read recently in a post that a female 'tiel will lean forward, crouch
down, and stick its butt in the air as a mating posture.  My "male"
'tiel, "Ralph", does this when I scratch his back.  Is this a sure or
semi-sure indication that he is a she?  ("He's" about 7 months old).
More importantly, if he turns out to be a she, am I encouraging "her" to
produce eggs (I've read the horrors of 'tiels and egg laying).

Thanks!

- Bill G 

From: billg@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Bill Gingras)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:24:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Birds and Cats
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds


I enjoy feeding wild birds.  I don't own a cat but many a neighbor's cat
roams freely in my yard.  One thing I've learned is that if a cat wants
to get at a bird, it will sooner or later no matter what you do to stop
it.

- Bill G
From: grp@Unify.com (Greg Pasquariello)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Lovebird info wanted.
Keywords: lovebird
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:47:38 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)


My wife and I are thinking of getting a couple of lovebirds.  We have
not yet settled on a species, but we have read all the books, gotten
info from breeders, etc.  I would like to ask net.wisdom for info though.
If any of you can give me some information on keeping lovebirds (as pets,
not as breeding stock), I would appreciate it.

Thanks.
-- 

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From: dboldt@dsdbqvarsa (David Boldt (x5679))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Full-spectrum *incandescent bulbs*
Keywords: Full-spectrum lighting
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:25:12 GMT
Organization: United States Geological Survey

There is a company which specializes in full-spectrum lights, most of which 
seem to be bought by artists who need this kind of light for color work.

I have ordered a catalog and they have a wonderful variety of lights, in 
all sorts of sizes, longevities, and costs; fluorescent and incandescent.

Westgate Enterprises
2210 Wilshire Boulevard
Suite 612
Santa Monica, CA  90403-5787

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                                            Reston, VA    (703 648-5679)
From: sylanov@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Christine V Sylanov)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Request-Full Spectrum Lighting Info.
Date: 12 Dec 1992 14:51:34 -0500
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu



	Sometime within the past couple of months, there was
a great discussion on this newsgroup regarding full-spectrum
lighting set-ups for our indoor birdies.  Well, I thought I had
saved some of the discussions for future info, but, alas, I don't
find any of the info in my files.  So, could some kind soul give
me the basic scoop on this subject?
I have some questions:

	1.  I seem to recall that the Vita-Lite Brand was
discussed-is this the best brand to use?

	2.  How many hours per day is recommended for a female
'tiel?  Her cage is next to a window, however, Columbus Ohio
gets little sun.  Officially there were 2 days of sun in 
November, for example.  I was ecstatic last Wednesday when
the sun was out-I forced several grad students to go outside,
even though it was 30 degrees or so.  It was wonderful. 

	Thanks for your help.  Now that I am on break, I have the 
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	I keep quite busy just trying to conceal the fact that
	   I don't know what I'm doing.     A. Brilliant
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From: ubhjp@sun.rz.tu-clausthal.de (H.-J. Pfeffer)
Subject: Parrots right or left ? 2nd call
Organization: Techn. Univ. Clausthal
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:35:35 GMT



Hello parrot lovers !

This is the second call for statistical data in handedness within the
psittaciformes.
 
Up to now we've got 11 replies covering 23 birds in 14 species/subspecies.
Many thanks to all who answered so far.

If you haven't contributed yet, please drop me a line just telling
what bird you (or your friends) have, what sex it is (if you know), 
and if it is right or left handed.

Scientific names are preferred, as this is international, but
if you know only the common english names, I will transfer them by using
Forshaw's Parrots of the world (2nd ed.)

There will be no other use of the data, as to publish a summary in this
list about 11th of January 1993.

Please send your remarks to :
ubhjp@sun.rz.tu-clausthal.de    or     ubhjp@139.174.1.3


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