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From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: What a joke 1993 (Re: CCP is China's hope)
Date: 4 Jan 1993 18:36:52 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <105994@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>In article <1i9avvINNm5j@flash.pax.tpa.com.au> anon.121@pax.tpa.com.au writes:
><
><CCP is China's hope.
><
>I don't think it makes any sense to build a new CCP in each new year.
>What would happen if last year's CCP GaoGans refuse to retire?
>-- 
>The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent
>organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
>are tax-deductable. Make checks or money orders payable to: "SOS China Education

After killed millions of Chinese people, destroyed Chinese culture, killing
in front of world TV, isn't it a big joke?

Yeah, it is a hope to decrease the population growth!
From: xph@eng.cam.ac.uk (X.P. Han)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi during the Cultural Revolution
Date: 9 Jan 93 15:41:18 GMT
Organization: Cambridge University Engineering Department, England




This is test file, please ignore it.
From: 90908648@bradford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: RE: SOCCER
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:19:50 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

gbc@brahms.udel.edu (Baochun Ge) writes:

>        I know Chinese soccer team beat Poland Olympic and
>Moscow teams 5:1 and 3:1 seperately in Singapore. But who
>won the champain after all, China or South Korea ? Information
>much appreciated.

In the final, S Korea beat China 3:1.

Don't worry, there's next time.
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi during the Cultural Revolution
Date: 12 Jan 1993 11:12:22 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Keywords: Terrible conclusion

In article <106839@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>In article <1ishu5INNs9b@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin) writes:
><In article <106560@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>< (deleted)
><  But how do you explain Mao's "direction": " Yao4 Wen2 Dou4, Bu2 You4
><Wu3 Dou4" ( Fight with your pens, not with guns )   
><  Mao never encouraged people to fight/kill each other during CR.
><  That's my understanding, tell me yours if you don't think it;s right.
>
>Unfortunately you are wrong. Yes, Mao said: "Yao4 Wen2 Dou4, Bu2 You4
>Wu3 Dou4", but when?
>
>And when he said: "Yao Wu Ma" ?
>
Who knows, may he didn't mean to beat the sh!t out of the black five
groups. But still is enough for the blood thirsty red guards to beat
around the capital. The rumor said that Ms. Song Binbin had beaten
several people to death herself. "Yao Wu Ma".  
>-- 
Tingli Pan
From: xuxianz@hsc.usc.edu (Xuxian Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Return your money to the poor Chinese children, Some of your CSS's!!!
Date: 8 Jan 1993 09:25:47 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hsc.usc.edu

Hi Very Nice   Guy Take Care Chinese. How are you sure the money will not get into CCP's hand. Please make sure the money will serve for the Chinese not CCP.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Yan Xing and Qi Gong, Is It Science?
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 05:26:12 GMT

No.
Bu shi.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Subject: Re: RACIST
Organization: /cuba_b/dirbe/roten/.organization
X-Newsreader: GNU Emacs 18.59.1, GNUS 3.13, NNTP 3.10
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:17:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.153149.5212@almserv.uucp> g9utxu@fnma.COM 
(Tanin Uthayanaka) writes:

 [concerning a certain jerkweed's post in soc.culture.asian.american]
>In article 11254@fuug.fi, an3879@anon.penet.fi () writes:
  [racist flame about Chinese girls deleted]

>It is obvious that this man has a problem. At first I wanted to ignore 
>him b'cause I'm sure he just wanted attention. But such a racist remarks 
>should ban him from having access to this or any other news group. If 
>anyone could help in determining where in the Ohio area this man is and 
>contact the proper authority to disallow him from using the network.

Believe me, I sympathize, friend.  But note that this clown used an 
anonymous posting service, so tracing him to his real site will be 
difficult-to-impossible.  

My suggestion: put his anonymous ID (an3879@anon.penet.fi) in your 
killfile.  

Who wants to read the ravings of an attention seeking infant in a man's 
body anyway ???   

--
Charles Roten | Hughes-STX, Incorporated | 
  roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov               | 'Use the Source, Luke!'
  7601 Ora-Glen Dr., Greenbelt, MD 20706 | 
  301-513-7805 (w),  301-317-0872 (h)    |            Obi-Wan Stallman
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Mongolia
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:36:43 GMT
Followup-To: na
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto

In article <C083D0.1u8@unix.portal.com> becker@shell.portal.com (CELIA TONY BECKER) writes:
>In my previous article:  becker@shell.portal.com (CELIA TONY BECKER) 
>I wrote:
[......] 
>>>Recall that it was the Chinese government's murder of Genghis Khan's
>>>father that prompted him to take over China.
>
>To which Li responded:
>>Well, that is very interesting. You seem having read a lot of history,*
>>could you please enlighten us when the Chinese government murdered
>>Genghis Khan's father and when he took over the China?
>
>A very good source is _The_Empire_of_the_Steppes:_A_History_of_Central_Asia
>by the French historian Rene Grousset.  If it's not in your library it might
>still be for sale by the History Book Club.  Pages 198-199 refer to the 
>Chinese emperor about 1161 A.D., appealing to the Tatars for help in
>Chinese disputes with the Mongols, and using the Tatars against the Mongols.
>Within this alliance, about 1167 A.D., the Tatars lured Ghengis' father
>to a banquet and "succeeded in poisoning Yesugei at a meal in the steppe."
>I have several other references, but won't bore you with the repeats.
>
Gee, so I see you consider the early manchurian Kingdom Jin "Chinese",
and its emperors(House of Wan Yan) Chinese, even at the time they
are not Chinese speakers and developed a different written script
than classical chinese.  And at the same time you don't consider
Mongolians "Chinese", at the same time early Manchurians "Nuu Zhen"
Chinese?  

and by the way, if that's the excuse for Ghengis Khan's descendents
to attack Jin and southern Song, what's his excuse to attack and wipe out
Western Xia Kingdom, central asia, Europe, the Arabs ..., etc?  
The extensive Human rights abuses over there? ;-> 

[.......]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: dwong@chopsuey.pico ( paganini's admirer )
Subject: Re: UN resolution of No Fly Zone and China
Reply-To: dwong@chopsuey.pico
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:37:53 GMT

In article 1isal0INN55k@cat.cis.Brown.EDU, ylq@lems23lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen) writes:
>In article <C0p90r.Myw@apollo.hp.com>, zl@apollo.hp.com writes:
>|> Sorry if this question has been asked and answered.
>|> 
>|> The mass media here keeps mentioning the so called
>|> No Fly Zone enforced in Southern Iraq is an UN resolution.
>|> But from what I read in a local chinese newspaper, there
>|> is not such an UN resolution. It is only an agreement 
>|> among US, Briton, and Frence.
>|> 

What is your local chinese newspaper?  Please indicate name next time.
But in any case, I don't think it could be more accuate than CNN, which 
is also watched by Iraqi.  Have you heard of any Iraqi getting info from 
your "local chinese newspaper"?
 
>|> Due to the unreliability of both the chinese newspapers
>|> and US news media, here is my question, is there really
>|> such an UN resolution? If yes, what did China (and Rusia)
>|> vote? 
>|> 
>|> Thanks.
>
>
>I thought this no-fly-zone was set as one of the condition to truce after the
>so-called  desert-storm. enligten me if I am wrong.

As far as I can remember, almost everyone is against Iraq.  Yes, including Russia 
and China.



dw.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu (Ye)
Subject: Re: Did Jesus practice qi gong?
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:44:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.123230.17655@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
|> 
|> ... then why can't Jesus have had qi gong?

Oh sure, Jesus had qi gong... and DengNan can actually paint.
Don't you know who are their fathers?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Subject: Re: Chinese Manifest Destiny
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 08:10:55 GMT

    In article <2B47595F.10883@news.service.uci.edu> (3 Jan 93) Yifan Gu
writes,

> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>
>> I don't think freedom of speech should be blamed for the violence [in
>> CR], but deep-rooted desire for power.  Mao only used such desire as a
>> vehicle to move mass.  Without desire for power, freedom of speech won't
>> yield violence, like on SCC.
>
> Freedom of speech in limited range is OK.  Not the kind of "Mass
democracy".
> I am not so sure about this power thing.  Fists can not fly electronically,
> you know.  But you are right about power's big role in those years.

    Cultural Revolution was the only time Chinese people did enjoy some
degree of the freedom of speech under Mao's reign, if you are lucky enough
to be classified into "The People" (Ren-min).  The problem was that the
society was not ruled by the law.

    For a few it was the thirsty for power that drove them crazy, but most
ordinary people just wanted to live a bit better, by robbing in chaos.  In
Shanghai, where the housing condition often ranks at the bottom among China's
cities, many workers quickly began to squeeze their families into homes of
the "class enemy," after raising fists for a while to support the Reddest
Sun's Revolutionary Line.

    Mob politics is always dangerous, in democracy or not.  But the freedom
of speech, that means even the opinion of a minority is protected, actually
is a counter-balance to the destructive mob politics.
From: pchan@acs.bu.edu (Patrick Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Yan Xing and Qi Gong, Is It Science?
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:58:16 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1993Jan4.052612.11584@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>No.
>Bu shi.
 ^^^^^^^ Is it necessary to use these words to describe chinese
         culture?

Sometimes, maybe we cant explain a thing (fact) in a scientific way, it 
might not be a "Bu shi", for example, Can I say a religion be "** ***"?
Be an adult, and try to accept the others' way of living!

Best wishes and hopefully grow up soon!
Patrick Chan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,talk.politics.china
From: sz7199@cehp17 ()
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi during the Cultural Revolution
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:54:13 GMT

    I believe the story in NYT is true.
    I was born in Guangxi and heard about this kind of story when I was young.
In the early year of 1950s, there were still many bandits out there. They 
hided in caves in mountain area, robbed people in villages and even kidnaped
people and used them as their shooting exercise target. So when PLA caught
those bandits, people in some villages ate their flesh as a show of hatred.
    Cannibalism apparently happened again during Culture Revolution. I   
don't think cannabalism happened in my county, I knew that six people died
during a fighting between two groups in my town, and people told me that
my county is relatively peaceful during CR. I remember in the late 1970s 
when I was still a high school student, I had a classmate transfered from
other county, he boasted to us that he had eaten human flesh, his family
got some human flesh the size of a hand, and he ate the size of a finger.
Since he was the same age as me, born in the middle of 1960s, so this must
have happened during the Culture Revolution.
    What can I say, people were all crazy during that time. We should
learn some lesson from it so it would never happen again. It is easy to
blame all this to enviroment or order from above, but every individual
should be responsible to his/her consciousness. In Germen when some former
East Germen soldiers were on trial for shooting death of their countrymen
who tried to escape Berlin Wall, they said they just followed the order.
But Hitler would not be able to kill so many people if he had not have
so many followers.
    Pa Jin( author of FAMILY ) once suggested that we should build a 
museum of Culture Revolution so people can learn some lessons from this
dark period of history. It is a good idea, people should know the truth,
not matter how painful the truth is. If we have such demand for Japanese,
we should also have such demand on ourselve.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Yan Xing and Qi Gong, Is It Science?
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:50:51 GMT

In an earlier post I said:

> No.
> Bu shi.

The second term is pinyin Chinese spelling for saying "no" to a question asked with the verb "is it?"
That it sounds like an English obscenity didn't occur to me at the time, but it might apply
some people's opinion :-)
From: jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: return your money
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:28:40 -0500
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1993Jan8.132436.4229@vax.cns.muskingum.edu>, jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes:
> In article <C0JqAI.Mxx@cs.psu.edu>, echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>> In article <1ikderINNrvj@hsc.usc.edu> xuxianz@hsc.usc.edu (Xuxian Zhang) writes:
>>>Hi Very Nice   Guy Take Care Chinese. How are you sure the money will not get 
>>>into CCP's hand. Please make sure the money will serve for the Chinese not CCP.
>> 
>> 	Hmm, how were you sure the money was not from CCP's hand when you 
>> got it in the first place?  How nice it is to think that when one gets
>> money from Chinese government, it is from "Chinese people" and when
>> one pays money (back) to Chinese government, it is to "CCP"!
>> 
>> 
>> 	 Eddie
> 
> 	$$$ Perhaps, the original article was posted by a CCP member.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Illiteracy Rate in PRC
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na  
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:11:21 GMT

In article <1icn8sINN8vs@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.173647.25246@rd.hydro.on.ca> rkng@rd.hydro.on.ca (Ron Ng) writes:
>>People in the western world tend to have an impression
>>that the illiteracy rate in China is very high. Is this
>The last census result shows that the general population
>of China is something like > 75% LITERATE in 1990.
>Among the 25% illiterate, majority of them are over
>60 years old (i,e, they passed their primary educational
>opportunity before the commiunist takeover in 1949.
>
>I think its very common for Westners to have a misinformed
>image of China. I was watching C-SPAN one night, the
>US Commerce Secretary Barbara Fraklin said something
>like the following: 
>Pres. Bush asked me to go to China. I thought China
>was a bunch of peasents in some rice paddes. I was
>shocked when I arrived in China. We in the West
>have an impression of China that can not be farther
>away from the truth. When I got to ShenZhen from
>HongKong, I can not tell the difference between the
>two places....
>
interesting, but I guess it's not too hard to
find a bunch of peasants in rice fields in china,
and hopefully these places will eventually
catch up with ShenZhen.  

>She may have exagerated somewhat, but at least she
>tells her change of impression about China.
>I guess seeing is believing(except the Western
>TV).

actually the Canadian networks CBC and CTV both
have correspondents in China and are turning out
good if not excellent reports and analyses on China,
the BBC world service also does some okay stuff
in comparison to the US networks ... their reports
are either superficial or non-existent most of the
time, since they believe the entire universe is
revolving between Washington DC and Hollywood.  

>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: caow@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Wei Cao)
Subject: Re: Fax # of Tongji Univ. needed!!!
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:03:18 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <1993Jan12.171636.1@crcvms.unl.edu> yzhang@crcvms.unl.edu writes:
>   Does anybody know the Fax #. of Tongji University?  It would be greatly
>appreciated if he/she send it to me or post on the net.  

Fax no. of Tongji University is 86-21-5458965, if they didn't change it currently.
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Yan Xing and Qi Gong, Is It Science?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:22:21 GMT

In article <1ia6dsINNli2@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Xiang Zhou) writes:
>
>    Are are against Qi Gong or just against Yan Xing ?  If you are just saying
>that Yan is fooling around I have nothing to say. If you think Gi Gong is
>not real then it's another issue. One this net you are probably the number one
>productive person. I don't know where do you get the time to do your science.
>You might have got your degree from Colombia and maybe a job somewhere in
>Indiana. That's OK. Don't preach on this net like you are MR. RIGHT or MR.
>SCIENCE. Your attitude is arrogant and self-centered, I hope that is not part
>of your education.

Where do I get time to do science that is not your problem.
When I could not get a problem done, my former advisor asked 
me to take a one month vacation :-). If my student cannot
solve a problem, I ask him to play tennis. Either he come
back or he never.

I am not arrogant, any of my production is subject to referee's
review and I have to respond accordingly. I wish I were a Qi
Gong master who can ignor any question. Just kidding, I don't
think that would be fun.

I am against both Qi Gong and Yan Xin. I perceive some dishonesty
in it. I cannot tolerate dishonesty in science. That is part of
my education. If I read any paper written like Yan Xin's "lecture",
I have to throw it into garbage can. If all scientists behave in this
way, I would quit my job immediately and apply to work as a garbage
collector :-). This is not kidding. I don't see any fun to lie.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: What I think about Qi Gong and Yan Xin
Keywords: Qi Gong Yan Xin
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:51:15 GMT

In article <1ids79INNjp7@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> xh@uirvld.csl.uiuc.edu (Xiao Ping Hu) writes:
>Hi, Qi Gong Again. I have several friends who have been practicing
>Master Yan Xin's Bi Gu (eating nothing). I myself am interested in learing
>this art so that I do not worry about making a living. Tell you something,
>after coming to US, I myself rarely enjoyed a meal though half of my
>day time is related to eating. Well I'll tell you later how master Yan's
>method works for me.
>
>Somebody does have a big mouth,but this does not mean everything 
>he talks is fake. Master Yan does enjoy talking -- If I have so many
>disciples, I am happy to talk all the way too. Sure enough, I'll
>follow him for a while to see if I do save money from fasting.
>
>Xiaoping

Well, I wish you successful. Mr. Yan Xin and Qi Gong masters
should go to Somalia where Bi Gu is desperately needed. I am
sure the United Nation would give them medal of highest honor,
perhaps Nobel Peace Prize :-). It would also shock Uncle Sam's
troops and makes China the greatest nation in the world :-).

But not here, man. Here you smash the rice bowl of US farmers :-).
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:34:38 CST
From: <U25096@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,
Subject: CALL FOR DONATION TO ZHANG/PAN

  Ms. Jingjing Zhang, a 28 years old young lady died on January 3rd
after two-day struggle with the crash injuries in a chain traffic
accident in which about 40 cars crashed on I-90, the Kennedy Expressway.
Ms. Zhang was the only one who died although dozens of people were
injured in this accident. However, this is not the only tragedy for
the newly married young couple. Her husband, Mr. Zikang Pan, 27, a
recent graduate of the College of Engineering at the University of
Illinois at Chicago, was also terribly injured in this accident and
is still in critical condition. This young couple both graduated from
Qinghua University in Beijing and have been in the United States for
two years, and they do not have any relatives here.

  We are asking you for help. Your contributions will be used
for her funeral service, for having their parents to come and
for sending her remaining back to China. Any amount of your
donation will be appreciated by Zhang's and Pan's family and the
UIC Chinese community. Mr. Zhang's Parents are coming to the US on
Jan. 13, 1993. If you would like to send a sympathy letter or card
to Zhang or Pan's family, please write to:

       Zhang/Pan's Family
       c/o Mr. Biao Wang
       2841 S. Wallace St., Apt. 2R
       Chicago, IL 60612

If you'd like to make a donation, please make your check payable to:

PAN/ZHANG FUND

and addressed to:

Credit Union 1, UIC, (M/C 612)
AOB 1737 W. Polk, RM7
Chicago, IL 60612

Fund rising by:

THE CHINESE STUDENTS AND SCHOLARS FRIENDSHIP ASSO. AT UIC
From: bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi during CR
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:09:07 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Keywords: Terrible conclusion

In article <ll3p7aINNsg@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:

   Steven lin you should be carful when citing others' words, non of the
following words are mine.

>In article <1ishu5INNs9b@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin) writes:
>>In article <106560@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>I think the real problem is that all people went crazy during CR, and
>>> Secondly, even in cities and schools, fighters are still
>>>minority. They were encouraged by Mao to fight and no one could stop
>>>them. The last but not the least, even if what you think were true,
>>>WHO MADE THEM CRAZY?
>>>
>You have answered your own question in your statements. Why the minority
>in the 1.1 billion of Chinese people could have done such a huge damage?
>
>>>Chinese people, especially Chinese intellectuals, and Chinese culture
>>>has their(our) own weakness, so that Mao and fighters could commit
>>>such crimes. 
>>
>Chinese people, especially Chinese intellectuals studied/are studying 
>overseas are responsibile for, major part if not all, letting the minority 
>takings hands on destruction. Why there was no single voice out loud 
>against the red guards? Afterwards, only blamed on four gangs, was that 
>the real problem cause? 
>
>
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka)
Subject: RACIST
Reply-To: g9utxu@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:31:49 GMT