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From: nas_ps@geds01.jsc.nasa.gov (Pradip R. Shah)
Subject: CHINAMAN AND NOW YORKER AND FIELDING POSITIONS
Reply-To: nas_ps@geds01.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: G.E. Government Services
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:19:24 GMT

I was the one who initiated the discussion on the chinaman delivery.  Thanks to all who
attempted to explain.  The discussion has not apparently resulted into a conclusion
yet and this shows how interesting and mind-boggling this delivery is !!

Now that we have nearly zeroed on the chinaman, how about the yorker ?  I have not
seen cricket on the TV for more than 10 years (except very little on my four trips
to Bombay).  But, I remember the picture of Tiger Patuadi being clean bowled by
the yorker from WI paceman in 66-67 series.  As I understood, then as a kid,
the yorker is delivered only by the fast bowler and it approaches to the batsman straightaway at the bottom of his bat and if he misses, the ball uproots the stumps.  
(straightaway meaning without any pitch)  Am I right ?  If so, there is a very fine
line between the full toss and yorker.  Explanation and discussion is sought from
the knowledgeable members.

On the other point of discussion, where are these positions located ?

"point and backward short leg "  Do they become mirror images if the batsman is left
handed ?  In fact, an entire field with all the fielding positions shown will be
of immense interest to me and others who might have forgotten.  Thanks.

Pradip Shah GE  USA
From: pieter@ford.ee.up.ac.za
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: SA vs India, correction
Date: 16 Nov 1992 11:15:13 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Oops, I had More's score wrong on the score card. He scored an excellent 55. I
gave Kumble's score (8) to More and left his name out. 

There was no play today, i.e. a result is not likely in this test.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 21:15:37 CST
From: <U58582@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Stats: Imran Khan vs. Karsan Ghavri (up to 1978)

I'd have picked Imran over Ghavri for sure, even only with your
stats.  He had a strike rate of over 4 per test to Ghavri's less than 3.
He also was dominant (4 times 5wi) and probably won a test match (10 wm)
and was definitely much faster and for longer periods (4000 vs 1500 balls)
and claiming that Ghavri had a better strike rate (wks per ball)
doesn't seem enough to me when Imran took twice the wickets in
just 30% ore tests.


Only reason why Ghavri could be preferred was the fact that he was a
leftie, but I'd pick a bowler who takes more wickets even if he gives
away 5-6 runs more, especially in test matches.
From: shivanan@nyquist.usc.edu (Mr. Shivanan Bhajekar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: The Patil Files (+ Srikkant,Siddhu)- was Re: In the defense
Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:39:40 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nyquist.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov17.030958.21472@news.acns.nwu.edu> sidi@casbah.acns.nwu.edu 
>After all, Indian went to Australia for the WSC (which we won - with
>Shastri's Audi and all :-) ) immidiately after the England tour, and I dont
>recall Patil being a part  of the team, even as a reserve !! In fact, on
>discussing this with a friend , our best guess for the man filling the
>reserve middle-order spot in Australia is Ashok Malhotra !( Can anyone
>confirm this ?). That was the final injustice of this whole sorry saga.
>And, looking at it from Patil's point of view, he had every right to feel
>very, very aggrieved (not to say aggravated :-) ) . 


	In fact if any of you have read the book One day Wonders by 
	Sunny Gavaskar, there is an interesting titbit. During the WSC
	semis vs the  kiwis, India were in grave trouble chasing the
	modest kiwi score getting into run-rate problems. At this point
	Gavaskar remarks that there were only 3 people who could get
	India out of the woods, (1) Srikkanth -- who was already out
	(2) Patil who was playing Ranji Trophy in Bombay
	(3) Kapil -- the guy who finally slogged HAdlee and Co. to
	give India victory.

	Shivanand Bhajekar

>


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From: macmilan@world.std.com (gautam gogineni)
Subject: cricket commentary, India vs SA.
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:56:48 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: info: radio stations (freq & time) relaying cricket commentary.
Summary: request for info on cricket commentary.
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Keywords:  cricket, India, commentary, score.

This is a request for information about sources for cricket commentary.
I would appreciate any info about Radio frequencies and time schedule
of stations relaying cricket commentary. I am specifically interested 
in the matches going on currently in South Africa. 


Awaiting impatiently for any such info. Thankyou.

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From: sarath@ee.upenn.edu (P. Sarath Kumar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: India vs SA Invitation IX, India 21/3
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:45:03 GMT
Reply-To: sarath@ee.upenn.edu (P. Sarath Kumar)
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Oh Boy, looks like someone finally figured that they could
beat the Indian team with 9 guys (-:
From: shivanan@nyquist.usc.edu (Mr. Shivanan Bhajekar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Stats: Imran Khan vs. Karsan Ghavri (up to 1978)
Date: 22 Nov 1992 15:33:13 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nyquist.usc.edu

In article <9211202308.AA12198@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> B536HIND@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU (C. S. Sudarshana bhat) writes:
>Since Murali was wondering how Imran fared chronologically, I thought that
>I might as well post what I have.  Though not a whole lot, it does show
>why I would have picked Karsan Ghavri over Imran Khan in 1978 (this was just
>prior to the Indian team's historic Pakistan tour; also KD's debut series).

>What do you folk think?

	It certainly wasn't Ghavri's debut series. It was akpil's
	debut series. Ghavri was an accomplished bowler by then.
	He was overlooked for the first two tests against Pak. He
	silenced his critics in the final test with a fantastic performance

	Shivanand Bhajekar
From: gharpure@power.psl.ee.vt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: 199,299,499!
Date: 21 Nov 1992 11:05:36 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Recently someone asked:
>>
>>What is the *lowest* score that has *never* been scored in a Test match for
>>a completed innings?
>>
>is it 198?

No, it is > 200. I remember, when Mudassar was out for 199 against India,
it was mentioned that -- "this is the first time someone is out for 199 and now
all scores upto 200 have been scored by someone or the other."

Incidentally, I also remember Hassett 198*(Adelaide 1948/9) & Sobers 198 runout
(Kanpur 1958/59) both against India.

Vasudev
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 21 Nov 1992 15:17:51 CST
From: <U58582@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: RE:BEST BOWLING IN TESTS
Distribution: usa

Hirwani didn't take 19 wickets.
In fact he got only 16 wickets but was the best ever bowling debut
beating Bob Massies 8-100+, by allowing a few runs less.
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From: VGC@ECLX.PSU.EDU (Venu Gopal Chalamgari)
Subject: RE:BEST BOWLING IN TESTS
Organization: Penn State Engineering Computer Lab
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 19:36:21 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

HAI,
    THE HIGHEST WICKET TAKERS IN A SINGLE TEST ARE
    JIM LAKER (AUS)- 19 WICKETS- VS ENGLAND AT THE OVAL
    NARENDRA HIRWANI-19 WICKETS-VS WEST INDIES AT MADRAS
From: sarge@cs.uq.oz.au (The Lemming)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Austrlian/Tasmanian News
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:17:55 GMT
Reply-To: sarge@cs.uq.oz.au

In <farrell.721967250@coral> farrell@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (John Farrell) writes:

>In <1992Nov16.003627.8369@newsroom.utas.edu.au> astley@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au () writes:
>>Tassie, Boon (c), Tucker (vc), Hills, Courtney, Cox, Ponting, Young, Atkinson
>>Matthews, Miller, McPhee, Farrell (likely 12th man)

>  Don't let the name "Michael" fool you! This guy really is me! I have to take
>a few days off to fly to Tasmania to train, but it's worth it.


>Friendless, superstar and all-round great guy

I remember a day at the Gabba, not that long ago, Brendan and I and a couple
of others were watch Qld thrash Tasmania as usual, when I said to Brendan,
I bet you Friendless makes a duck, and sure enough he did. I think he wanted
to get onto the Hill and start drinking. Of course, Friendless continued
to show his great potential at the park near scotties place, where 
his ducks joined the pidgeons. 

The Lemming
(also know as M. Sargent, who happens to play Rugby League for Australia)
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From: SHARIQ@charlie.usd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Cricket GIFS
Date: 15 Nov 1992 21:32:37 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I am intereested in acquiring Cricket GIFS. Can someone help me with it.

Shariq
From: karnik@hecto.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: Chinaman Delivery
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:58:58 GMT

In <1eeb5sINNkec@nyquist.usc.edu> shivanan@nyquist.usc.edu (Mr. Shivanan Bhajekar) writes:

>	It is not just an incoming delivery. Any leftarm bowler bowling
>	round the wicket would have the ball coming in to the right handed
>	batsman. Also called the armer. 

>	Believe it or not, The armer is the only ball Ravi Shastri can bowl!

	Not. May well be that he can't get the legspinner to spin, but that
doesn't make it an armer.

>	It is the ball that spins into the r.h. batsman which is called the
>	chinaman

>>different techniques of bowling it i usually bowl(try to) a straight ball by using the
>>crease.....

	A straight ball is not a chinaman. My feeble attempts to bowl the
chinaman involved releasing the ball from the back of the palm, and imparting
off-spin, much like the mirror image of a googly. I got hammered badly, as a 
result of my lack of control :-)

>	Try bowling Top spinners. Chandra, Siva and Hirwani WERE perfect
>	exponents of this art.

	These three had the ability to bowl the googly as well - at least,
Chandra and Hirwani did. However Siva and Hirwani's top spinners weren't
quite as effective as Chandra's. Kumble, OTOH, has the pace off the wicket
to make his top spinner as good as Chandra's.

>	Shivanand Bhajekar
>	
>>S.R.Raza.
>>raza@surya.engrg.uwo.ca


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Neeran   Karnik  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dept. of Computer Science,      | Email: karnik@cs.umn.edu
University of Minnesota         |        karn0001@student.tc.umn.edu
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From: mhusain@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Muqtada Husain)
Subject: Re: Patil
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:33:15 GMT

In article <00963BF8.C15CA1C0@vms.csd.mu.edu> 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu write
s:
>This is reagrding Sandip Patil. Someone mention
>(or I remember that way) that Patril was not given
>a chance after the Delhi Test. Actually he went on the
>1986 tour of England immediately after the tour
>Down Under. He also played in the ODI's and he did
>not do well. In fact in one of the matches he scored
>about 12/15 and his fielding was also not good in that
>match. It was after that he was not considered by Kapil.
>In fact when Jimmy Amarnath was unfit after the first
>test at Lords (which India won) Kaps prefered to go
>with Pandit as the additional batsman (along with More
>in the team) instead of selecting the team .
>May be it was not enough that he was given just a couple
>of matches in ODI to reassert himself and also it
>may have hurt his ego that Pandit was selected ahead
>of him. But he should have taken heart from Jimmy'
>and pushed for his comeback by improving his
>fielding/fitness.
>He was one of the more talented batsman at that
>time but somehow he was inconsistent and his
>performance tapered off.
>
>Bye,
>
>                ******   ******
>                     *   *
>                ******   ******
>                *        *    *
>                ******   ******        and counting down .



          Sorry to be picky, but this should be 25 (not 26). If I were
to count down, I will be careful :-).


Cheers,

Muqtada             [Kaps has 407]
-- 
Muqtada Husain			E-Mail: husain@rcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu
Department of Mechanical Engg.
The Ohio State University
Columbus, OH 43210
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From: pvr@argo.rice.edu (PVR Narasimha Rao)
Subject: Leggies (Re: Chinaman Delivery)
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:31:34 GMT

	(Catching up with rsc afetr 3 days ...)

In article <karnik.722131138@hecto>, karnik@hecto.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik) writes:

|> In <1eeb5sINNkec@nyquist.usc.edu> shivanan@nyquist.usc.edu (Mr. Shivanan Bhajekar) writes:


|> >	Try bowling Top spinners. Chandra, Siva and Hirwani WERE perfect
|> >	exponents of this art.
|> 
|> 	These three had the ability to bowl the googly as well - at least,
|> Chandra and Hirwani did. However Siva and Hirwani's top spinners weren't
|> quite as effective as Chandra's. Kumble, OTOH, has the pace off the wicket
|> to make his top spinner as good as Chandra's.


I'm always surprised that people put all the leggies in one group and
generalize. I don't think there is much similarity between Chandra and
Hirwanu or Chandra and Shiva (except that they bowl legspin, generally
speaking). Hirwani, Shina, Qadir, Mushtaq etc are one kind of leggies.
Chandra, Kumble etc OTOH are very different.

I had never seen Hirwani or Shiva bowl decent topspinners.

Talking about Kumble and gooogly, one of Kumble's wickets in the first
innings came through googly.

PVR
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From: pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Subject: Re: CHINAMAN AND NOW YORKER AND FIELDING POSITIONS
Reply-To: pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:59:26 GMT

Promised fielding positions diagram (artistic licence claimed):



		 	     EC	     C    CP     P
							G
  LOff							

		MOff					   2S		3M
									
					SMOff		   1S
				 ______________
SH			      B	|______________|	WK

					SMOn		   LS
									FL
		MOn

  LOn

				  MW		SL	BSl	
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From: karnik@cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Subject: Re: Cricket Quiz
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:53:14 GMT

In <1992Nov23.210958.10588@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> nadeem@redskins.ent.ohiou.edu (Mohammed Nadeem  ISE-GRAD) writes:


>	Here's a small quiz for X-mas break.

	Errr... plenty of time you've given us - I hope you post the
solution sooner than that! :->


>	In the first innings of a test match, only two balls have
>	been bowled by a bowler and the score board shows a total
>	of 12 runs with no extras. (No no-balls, no wides, etc.)
>	Both the batsmen have scored 6 runs apiece.


	Just read two solutions using the "helmet rule". Here's another,
possibly equally farfetched.

Ball1:	Batsman no. 1 hits it deep, the batsmen take three runs, and there is 
	an overthrow for four more. Now one of the runs taken is declared
	"short", so that batsman no. 1 has "only" 6 runs...

Ball2:	This is simple, since batsman no.2 is now facing, he can hit either a
	sixer, or again get overthrows to make a total of six runs off it.


	HOWZZAT ??

>   Mohammed Nadeem	  e-mail: nadeem@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Neeran   Karnik  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dept. of Computer Science,      | Email: karnik@cs.umn.edu
University of Minnesota         |        karn0001@student.tc.umn.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: cricket quiz
Date: 24 Nov 92 02:25:29 GMT
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

In article <zj*1Hoam=a@atlantis.psu.edu>, VGC@ECLX.PSU.EDU (Venu Gopal Chalamgari) writes:
>
>  Hai,
>       I have the following questions, for which i dont have an answer
> could any one answer these
>1.who is the only bowler in the world who has given 6 direct byes( only one
>bounce on the pitch the second one over the fence)

	Could be Wes Hall

>2.do you who was the 12th man in the indian team at the prudential cup 1983
>final?

	Ravi Shastri

>3. who is the only indian player who recalled a batsmen after he was given out
>by the umpire?

	Visvanath

>4.who is the highest wicket taker in ranji trophy?

	Rajinder Goel

>5.who is the player who used an aluminium bat in one of the most controversial
>test matches?do you know which test?

	Dennis Lillee

>6.who is the player who hit a man in bathroom outside mcg(aus) with his
>stroke(/a six over the fence) and later visited him  in the hospital after
>the days play?

>7.who is the player who played hockey for the national team and also led
>its cricket team in a test nmatch?

	Ric Charlesworth (austarlia

		******   ******
                     *   *
                ******   ******
                *             *
                ******   ******        and counting down .
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From: H.Edwards@massey.ac.nz (H. Edwards)
Subject: Re: NZ in SL
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 00:48:11 GMT

hist1261@waikato.ac.nz writes:

>Latest news reports are that the New Zealand team is split on whether or
>not to continue the tour with most of the married team members (with the
>exception of Crowe and Jones and possibly a few others) wanting to come
>home to Mummy and most of the single players voting to stay.  Coach Warren
>Lees is very much in the former camp.

A rather tasteless remark.  Didn't Lees' first wife die in a motor accident?

>A few reports have drawn a comparision with the New Zealand Netball team's
>decision to stay on in Britain after IRA bomb threats, suggesting that the
>netballs have a little more intestinal fortitude than our cricketers!
>Personal opinion will no doubt dictate how one responds to such parallels,
>but all I can say is that I hope we never have to fight another war if
>the current controversy is an accurate measure of the nation's courage.
>
>Looking forward to politically correct flames.
>
>Richard.

Since when was the security of New Zealand threatened by the Sri Lankan
civil war?  And just how great was the threat from other recent wars in which
NZ troops have been involved?  The Gulf war?  Vietnam?  Korea?  If you want
to go away and get shot or blown up in some foreign country, go ahead - I'm
certainly not going to try and stop you.  Why criticise others who don't?

Our test cricketers make enough sacrifices as is with their first class
and national obligations, without having to put their personal safety at risk
as well.  It is clearly a personal decision, and each team member has the
right to make that decision without pressure from the New Zealand Cricket
Council or anyone else.

And regarding the comparison with netball: the netballers did not have a bomb
go off in any of their hotels in Britain.
  

-- 


Howard Edwards				Ph: (64)(6)3569099 ext 8331
Dept of Statistics			Fax: (64)(6)3505611
Massey University			email: H.Edwards@massey.ac.nz
Palmerston North
NEW ZEALAND
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From: parekh@spinaltap.cis.ohio-state.edu (Ashesh Parekh)
Subject: Re: Amre and humor-challenged Indian netters..
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:58:36 GMT

In article <1ebdtoINNh0n@fido.asd.sgi.com> shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni) writes:
>
>Nevertheless, he received several angry rebukes and gratuitous insults
>from D.I.Patel@lut.ac.uk, RAJA@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, and
>nkrishna@mcs213e.cs.umr.edu.



What's worse is that it is people from "prestigious" universities like Stanford
who display simple lack of common sense.  I thought that only the "best" get
into such universities!  Heaven help these one track minds (meaning, minds that
are good at only one thing - their own field.  Other than that they don't even
understand *simple* sarcasm!)

-Flame on!

-A
From: pieter@ford.ee.up.ac.za
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: SA-India, draw. Amre man of the match.
Date: 17 Nov 1992 09:39:27 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

As expected the game ended in a draw with SA around 180/3. Hudson
scored 60 odd before being caught behind driving off Srinath. Cook was
out earlier caught and bowled by Kumble with a very lazy shot after
lunch. Wessels made 23 before trying to cut a Srinath ball that was to
close to him. More made the catch. Nopt out was Kirsten on 11 and
Rhodes on 21.  /dev/kapil was most impressive in his search for test
wickets, bowling 19 overs for 19 runs.

Clive Loyd named Amre man of the match for his gutsy debut 100.  

The SA squad for the second test was named after the match. It is the
same 12 players with Western Province seamer Matthews added. The final
team will probably be anounced on the morning of the test at the
Wanderers. I would guess that Henry will be dropped for Matthews or
Cronje. Matthews if the wicket is not assisting the bowlers and Cronje
if it is. The Wanderers is not known as a spinning wicket :-). It is
sometimes referred to as 'a green mamba'.  

Next game is in Bloemfontein on Springbok park where India will play
yai-XI (as in yet-another-invitation).  

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From: raza@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed)
Subject: Re: Waqar
Organization: DA&MRL, Engineering, UWO, London Ont. CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:56:38 GMT

In article <921118172204.3aa3@charlie.usd.edu>, SHARIQ@charlie.usd.edu writes:
|> Waqar made his semi internationall debut against Dehli in the Wills Super Cup

That was waqar's first year in first class cricket also, and UBL presented him
as pakistan fastest bowler.


|> and after having one look at him Imran had him pushed onto the Pakistan team
|> touring Sharjah in the fall of 1989. After an electrifying performance in
|> Sharjah Waqar was chosen to play in the first test against the visiting Indians
|> also in the 1989-90 season. His test debut was electrifying as well. Did you
|> know that Waqar has a deformity in his non-bowling hand, and that he went to 
|> school in the United Arab Emirates, for some time before turning his interest 
|> to cricket completely.
|> 
|> Shariq
|> 

-- 

S.R.Raza.
raza@surya.engrg.uwo.ca

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