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From: welter@fwi.uva.nl (Richard Welter)
Subject: Re: Plot holes in Alien^3 (*S
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:06:19 GMT

Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:

>In article <1992Sep4.100919.7022@fwi.uva.nl>, welter@fwi.uva.nl (Richard Welter) writes:

>> Probably it didn't want to burn off her hands since she might bleed to death
>> and she wouldn't be of much use to the facehugger then.

>You posit that the f'hugger would know that this would (a) harm Ripley
>(b) harm Ripley enough to kill/prevent use as a host.  Neither of which you
>can assume; in fact previous evidence points to the contrary.  Again, the 
>fact that the first one went right through Kane's helmet with utter unconcern
>shows that they are nasty beasties that move with singleminded purpose.  The
>f'hugger would no more know that Ripley's hands are important than it would
>Kane's helmet.  (It doesn't have hands Or a head.  It's Alien.)

It knew how not to hurt Kane so it also knew how not to hurt Ripley, like you
say, it's Alien, we don't know how it know's this, but it does.

>Kevvy Kev
> "Hmmm...  do ya think they'd give us a bulk discount if we all went and 
> got a life at the same time?"
>   -Guinny

I hope so :)

Richard

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From: doug@UC780.UMD.EDU (Deac Moo of the UGC)
Subject: Re: Godzilla / Nike TV Ad
Reply-To: doug@UC780.UMD.EDU
Organization: The University of Maryland, University College
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:01:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.204756.181@news.uwyo.edu>, rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky) writes:
>Just saw a commercial on tv.  Starts out with scenes of Godzilla.
>Narrator says things like "he's defeated Mothra; he's defeated
>Mecha-Godzilla" etc. Then narrator says 'come Sept. 9th he'll
>meet a real challenge', and they show a giant Charles B. (some 
>basketball player, already fergot his name :(  ) dribbling a ball 
>between some buildings.  
>
>It's an ad for Nike shoes. Guess I'll have wait for the 9th...

Yah, but I'm going to root for Godzilla. ;>



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From: mhr@aber.ac.uk (Michael Richards)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: What ever happened to Robocop 3?
Date: 7 Sep 92 10:09:04 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

> Does anybody know what ever happened to the film Robocop 3?
> Last I heard was that the movie had been finished filming but
> where not sure if they where going to release it.

> Anybody have any info?

I think its been delayed indefinitely whilst the lawyers crawl all over 
the corpse of Orion Pictures, which unfortunately went bust just as 
Robocop III was scheduled for release.

Speaking of which, how are Carolco these days? UNIVERSAL SOLDIER was
their summer biggie, and whilst no way as bad as LETHAL WEAPON III
was hardly a blockbuster on either side of the Atlantic, If I'm right
their next film is Richard Attenborough's Charlie Chaplin biopic -
not exactly a film to turn them round.

On the subject of movie budgets (well we weren't but ....), Fox have
only one film in the next year with a budget of more than $30 million,
apparently Rupert Murdoch is a little fed up with explosive salary
demands and has capped production costs.

Anyone out there think this could be a return to sanity in Hollywood?

					Mike.
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From: gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green)
Subject: Re: DROP THE DISCUSSION OF ALIENS ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 06:56:06 GMT

In article <PETRI.WESSMAN.92Sep5203415@laureline.hut.fi> Petri.Wessman@hut.fi writes:
>On Sat, 5 Sep 1992 15:19:00 GMT, mjm3170@zeus.tamu.edu (MATTSON, MATTHEW JUL) said:
>
>MATTSON> HOW LONG ARE YOU PEOPLE GOING TO KEEP DISCUSSING THE SAME THREADS
>MATTSON> OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER.....
>
>MATTSON> ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>Until Alien(ses)^4? :-)
>
>Oh, and read the manual page on "kill files" while you're waiting...
>
>//Petri

EVEN KILL FILES DONT HELP !

THESE BLOODY THREADS POP UP FASTER THAN YOU CAN KILL 'EM !

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From: Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev)
Subject: Re: Plot holes in Alien^3 (*S
Organization: In Effect Enterprises
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:22:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.100919.7022@fwi.uva.nl>, welter@fwi.uva.nl (Richard Welter) writes:

[snip],
and on to the "I guess some points do need to be belabored unmercifully" dep't:

> >this
> >is the same question as, "How was Ripley able to hold a face-hugger off her,
> >when they're able to exude an acid strong enough to eat through Kane's helmet?"
> 
> Probably it didn't want to burn off her hands since she might bleed to death
> and she wouldn't be of much use to the facehugger then.

You posit that the f'hugger would know that this would (a) harm Ripley
(b) harm Ripley enough to kill/prevent use as a host.  Neither of which you
can assume; in fact previous evidence points to the contrary.  Again, the 
fact that the first one went right through Kane's helmet with utter unconcern
shows that they are nasty beasties that move with singleminded purpose.  The
f'hugger would no more know that Ripley's hands are important than it would
Kane's helmet.  (It doesn't have hands Or a head.  It's Alien.)

> >Evidence would seem to point to the f'hugger(s) in 3 trying to break the glass
> >to get at the sleeper(s), and getting injured on shards, bleeding acid, and
> >causing a fire.  NOT.  They can sear their way through such glass, as shown
> >in the first movie.
> 
> I don't think a f'hugger got hurt, it just leaked a bit of acid in the wrong
> place which burned through the floor and caused a short circuit.

No, the clear implication (and this is supported rather than contradicted by
non-canonical references) is that the first one got hurt and maybe even killed
when the glass broke. Which brings us to two more brain-dead mistakes:
1) The instinct of the f'hugger would've been to sear through the glass, not
   melt it.  Did these people even watch _Alien_?
2) The fact that it broke through seamless, curved, Strong glass like the 
   cryotube implies fantastic strength.  Again: there's no way Ripley could've
   held one of those off with her bare hands.  Either through brute force or
   with acid, it would've gotten to her Very quickly.
 
Kevvy Kev
 "Hmmm...  do ya think they'd give us a bulk discount if we all went and 
 got a life at the same time?"
   -Guinny
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From: sdt8s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Subject: Re: Flogging Aliens vs. Flogging Terminator 2
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:40:29 GMT

cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu  writes:
> 
> Hmmm...if Terminator 2 had this kind of discussion, and it's all died
> out by now, I don't think we have to worry...in a few months, the dis-
> cussion of the Alien trilogy will be gone by now, too...
> 
> (Oops, scratch out the "by now" in that last sentence.  I don't know where
> my head is today...)
> 
> ---Chris Meadows
> 
It's like this:

T2 came out in July. People were STILL flogging it to death in
December.

Get the picture?

We can expect Alien 3 discussions at LEAST through the end of
November if this keeps up.

Not to offend you, of course, but that's the way it is.

Steve
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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Books into Movies?  How about Harry Harrison?
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 22:24:37 GMT


I've seen a lot of discussion on the net lately about making SF books
into movies, and I think that two of Harry Harrison's series would be
perfect.

First, my favorite SF series of all time, The Stainless Steel Rat.  It
would be perfect.  Of course, they'd have to find an actor good enough to
play the part of Slippery Jim, which could be quite difficult.  But if
only half of the humor in those books made it to the screen, the audience
would be rolling in the aisles.

The other SF series by Harry Harrison that I feel would translate well is
the Deathworld series.  I don't know who could play Jason dinAlt well,
but Kerk, the middle-aged leader, might be perfect for George Kennedy, of
DALLAS and NAKED GUN.  Perhaps it might be better as a cartoon, with his
voice in the part.  I don't know why, but whenever I read those books, Ken-
nedy's voice and face always come to my mind in the role of Kerk.

THOSE are books that I would sincerely LOVE to see on the silver screen.
Comments?

---Chris Meadows

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From: Petri.Wessman@hut.fi (Petri Wessman)
Subject: Re: DROP THE DISCUSSION OF ALIENS ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply-To: Petri.Wessman@hut.fi
Organization: La Gata Encantada
	<1992Sep9.065606.29245@mel.dit.csiro.au>
	<1992Sep10.015511.29819@ll.mit.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:16:27 GMT

As someone already said, some of us (me included) live in countries in
which Alien^3 premiered just recently, and have avoided reading the
A3 discussion before seeing the movie (spoilers...!). I'm sorry if
some people here have gone through this whole discussion before, but
to some of us it is new. Please use kill files or whatever instead of
ranting on about it.

//Petri
From: james@library.nrl.navy.mil (James King)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: RE: Books into Movies, Harry Harrison
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:45:15 GMT
Organization: NRL

What about the Bill, The Galatic Hero series.  I love that series!

James King
Naval Research Lab
Washington, DC               James@Library.NRL.NAVY.MIL
From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Alien^3: religious and pre-modern (SPOILERS)
Date: 6 Sep 92 23:41:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.mcirvin.715822869
   30518@hdbea.hf-fak.uib.no><5522@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> <PETRI.WESSMAN.92Sep6001407@daredevil.hut.fi>

Petri.Wessman@hut.fi (Petri Wessman) writes:

>I myself belong to the "thumbs up" group as regards A^3, but it's
>interesting to see the movie generate this amount of disagreement.
>People seem to either love it or hate it. Same thing with the critics
>here on this side of the Atlantic (A^3 premiered a week ago), some
>critics are praising it and some think it's a total piece of shit.



This may be my national attention span talking, but I liked the first
45 minutes or so of the movie, when there were a number of stories
going on that ended up prematurely finished by the gobbling up
of the characters.  After a while there was nothing left but a long,
dreary chase scene with what looked like the same few shots happening
over and over, followed by an ending that seemed tacked on. 

Early on, though, there were some nice moments.  Charles Dutton's eulogy
for Newt and Hicks, speaking of rebirth as the alien burst forth from
the dog, was a masterfully done scene.   
 
-- 
Matt McIrvin, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: All Time Dumb Line (was Re: Startrek VI - the video)
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:20:28 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <SS.92Sep11092807@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>But the all time dumb Trek line was from TOS. Episode Cat's Paw.
>
>"We may not be able to break through it. But I'll bet you credits to
>Navy beans we can put a dent it it."
>
>What the hell does that mean!!!!


No, that's just vague. The (one of) all time dumb line is

`We all feed on death, even vegetarians.'




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From: l495426@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (Eric Zorawowicz x2032)
Subject: MAD MAX
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Co. - Rye Canyon
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 16:43:00 GMT

Can someone tell me how to obtain a video copy of MAD MAX that
hasn't been dubbed in Americanese.  I assume it must be possible
to obtain a copy somewhere in Australia if none are available in
the US.

Sorry if this is already in a FAQ somewhere.

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From: sabotkap@woods.ulowell.edu (Pete Sabotka)
Subject: Terminator 1 Trivia tidbit
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 05:08:47 GMT

Just a bit of trivia for you Terminator buffs,

The Terminator that we see infiltrate the human's hideout (Reiss' flashback 
sequence in T1) is played by Franco Colombo, personal friend and 
weightlifting partner (back in the early 70's) of Arnold's (according to 
the most recent issue of "Muscle And Fitness"

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Subject: Re: Hurricane and Jurassic Park
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:59:55 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Sep14.131729.644@walter.bellcore.com>, kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:
> Just heard that the 130 person cast and crew filming "Jurassic Park" on
> Kauai had to seek refuge in a hotel because of hurricane Iniki.  Hope this
> doesn't set them back too much, but I'm not optimistic.

	Hopefully they'll decide to add a hurricane scene, or use the damage in
the film.

	Nothing like "special effects by Nature".
:)

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From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Hurricane and Jurassic Park
Date: 16 Sep 1992 00:54:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: concertina

In article <72znkd-@lynx.unm.edu> xoanon@carina.unm.edu (timothy k istian soholt) writes:
>wu@mdd.comm.mot.com (Philip Wu) writes:
>
>>Actually, in the book, there is supposed to be a big storm that knocks
>>over trees, etc.  So this might actually fit in quite nicely.
>
>Assuming someone was crazy enough to keep shooting while the storm was
>going on.

You ever met any photographers? :}










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From: ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Curt Tsui)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: What ever happened to Robocop 3?
Date: 7 Sep 92 13:48:12 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

joses@cs.tamu.edu  writes:
> 
> Does anybody know what ever happened to the film Robocop 3?
> Last I heard was that the movie had been finished filming but
> where not sure if they where going to release it.

My guess is that since Orion Pictures went under it doesn't
have a distributor anymore, so another company has to buy it
before it gets shown.
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From: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Alien^3: religious and pre-modern
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:06:03 GMT
Reply-To: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)


 espen.aarseth@hf.uib.no (Espen Aarseth) WRITES...

> If you can't see the phallic symbolism in Alien (as in the scene where
> Beasty is sneaking its long tentacle up on the female crew member) you
> have been missing the fun parts of the movie. And remember those nasty
> doggie-style movements of Beasty on its victims in ^3? Am I the only viewer
> with a filthy imagination around here? [On second thought, don't answer
> that.]

   No. The sexual symbolism (not just phallic IMHO - see facehuggers!)
in the Alien life cycle (and hence in all the films) is quite obvious.
And for the proof of the pudding, see the paintings H.R. Giger did in
his designs for the Alien life cycle - definately sexual, and definately
phallic (and hence definately Giger!! :-))

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From: ncc1701@madoka.its.rpi.edu (Mark O. Chadwick)
Subject: Re: Hurricane and Jurassic Park
Keywords: bummer
Reply-To: ncc1701@acm.rpi.edu
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:41:25 GMT

kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:

>Just heard that the 130 person cast and crew filming "Jurassic Park" on
>Kauai had to seek refuge in a hotel because of hurricane Iniki.  Hope this
>doesn't set them back too much, but I'm not optimistic.

Well, they were supposedly on their last on-loaction shoot, so maybe
they'll be able to travel to the Amazon to get the rest of their 
shots :-)  Actually, there are more places in Hawaii that have 
similar terrain/flora, but I think they decided to fly
bck to LA today...(Monday)


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From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Hurricane and Jurassic Park
Keywords: bummer
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:39:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: rigel.1992Sep14.223940.25920
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Sep14.131729.644@walter.bellcore.com> kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:
>Just heard that the 130 person cast and crew filming "Jurassic Park" on
>Kauai had to seek refuge in a hotel because of hurricane Iniki.  Hope this
>doesn't set them back too much, but I'm not optimistic.

   Well make up your mind.

   :)
   Wayne
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From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Re^2: PLEASE - No more Alien posts!
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:25:20 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca

In <5897@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at>
mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:

>The real answer is patience.  "Domination" in this group is temporary
>and relative.  Bring up an interesting topic.
>-- 
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Amen! Patience is the key. Heck Alien3 just started its run in Europe. Let our
fellow fans enjoy the same disscussions that we did. Instead of complaining
get involved again or as Markus said bring up something else.
From: vest@novavax.UUCP (Steven Vest)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re^2: PLEASE - No more Alien posts!
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:44:48 GMT
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL

lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:

>gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green) writes:

>> How about starting a new newsgroup rec.arts.alien.agrovation

>How about learning how to use a killfile?

B
>/Alien/:j

>--
>Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)


How about starting another newsgroup?  The titles keep changing and it's a 
pain to have to keep updating them.  Killfiles are not the answer to a
newsgroup that's being dominated by a single subject.  E-mail and new
newsgroups generally are.


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From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Subject: Re: Plot holes in Alien^3 (*S
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:14:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.225604.13367@tandem.com> Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:
>there was indeed a huge thread on this subject, before 3 came out.  Consensus
>was that the liquid they were floating in neutralized them.  Weak, but
>better than nothing. . .which is what we're left with in ^3.

The liquid they were floating in was continuously recirculated
and filtered to remove the acid.  The liquid might also been highly
basic and would tend to counteract a conventional acid.  There
was also some mention of "stasis" state that the 'huggers were in.
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