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From: CL234106@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Y. CAO)
Subject: Re: Bert & Ernie question <Muppet sex>
Organization: University of Louisville
Distribution: local
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 01:22:23 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <1992Apr4.164546.1@runt.appstate.edu> grs01146@runt.appstate.edu writes:

> I adore the idea of Bert and Ernie and I feel like their messages are important
> for the growth of children (yes, all of us!!!).  But have you ever wondered?
  > Could Bert and Ernie possibly be Gay?

<Anything is possible. Could Big Bird be a pedophile? How far does Cookie
Monsters food fetish extend? Does Oscar have S&M tendencies? How much cross
breeding DOEStake place on Sesamee Street?
 

> 
> It seems impossible to believe but if you notice carefully some of the ways
> that they seem to be portrayed and some of the songs that they sing could be 
> hidden messages or even *gasp* jokes?  
You are not thefirst person to suggest such things, usuallyin jest. Anytiem
males are represented as caring, emotional, people <?> who do more than drink
beer, perpetuate violence, and discuss sexual conquests, they are always
assumed to be "gay". To reduce the lessons of humanity that Bert and Ernie and
other muppets represent (in Sesame Street at least) is to lower oneself to
believing that humanity, love, and true freindship are equated with "deviant"
behavior. Why must we stoop so low as to  perpetuate labels on
characters.Aren't we doing enough by pigeonholing people, without doing the
same thing with Muppets. The muppets live in a good and caring world, one I
would love to be a part of.Why must we taint it. 
If they were gay, it would be none of our bussiness, and perhaps a great lesson 
could be taught by showing gays  are indeed good loving caring people. But to
make crass assumptions annoys me.


For example...There is a record album , 
> i think its a "Sesame Street's greatest hits".  But it very strongly sways toward that message,
> i wont cite any examples because it would be in bad taste (some of you might
> think i already am in bad taste and that ill understand). If you like, though
> ill e-mail you a list of things that could be considered hints at that.
> 
go ahead. send me your "examples." I would be interested to see why you make
such assumptions. Perhaps i will find examples as to why I think big bird
probably has a foot fetish, and why Grover is probably a transvestite. You can
find anything if you look hard enough. 

> let me know how you folks feel and what you think about it..
> incredibly its something that has been on my mind quite a while
> 
> id really appreciate it 
> hope nobody's offended *cringe*
not really offended by your bringing it up.Just trying to point out the
fallacies of judging people.


Tom Stevens (Borrowing this account)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
From: jsw21124@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph S. Walker)
Subject: Albums--help!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:29:35 GMT

I spent yesterday going to every record store in town in a vain search
for muppet albums.  Isn't there supposed to be a new one out?  What's it
called?  None of the store employees seemed to know what I was talking
about.  Can anybody tell me what albums are currently available?  Is that
"Muppets Greatest Hits" thing that they used to advertise on TV still
in print?

Please e-mail me if you have names, ordering information, etc. for any
albums now in print.  I'm especially interested in older seseme street
stuff, the Muppet Show, and--most of all--movie soundtracks.

If you have any of this stuff that's out of print, please e-mail me;
I'll gladly reimburse you for making me a copy.
Won't somebody help a poor muppet fan?

Jazz Walker
jsw21124@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
From: dascoser.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Subject: Re: Grover the waiter/elevator operator
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:30:19 GMT

verbum@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Neal Whitman) writes:

> I substituted at a junior high school last week.  During homeroom
> the students in my classroom were skimming the channels on the 
> classroom tv and I caught glimpses of The Price is Right, The Brady
> Bunch, and ..
> 
> "Oh, cool, Sesame Street!" I said as some muppets briefly appeared
> and disappeared on the screen.
> "You watch Sesame Street?" asked the girl at the control panel.
> "Yeah, you bet.  I get up in the morning, get dressed, and while
> I wait for them to call me in for an assignment I sit down and 
> watch tv.  I watch Tiny Toons and Sesame Street."
> "Oh my Gawwd, we've got a substitute who watches Sesame Street .... "
> 
> Ah, well, they're obviously too immature to appreciate SS properly.
> 

Well my mother once subbed for a class of high school students and there 
happened to be a TV in the room. She turned it on, SS appeared, and the 
kids just sat and watched.


Dascoser
From: phoogenboom@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Wordes too de songe
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:47:16 GMT
Organization: Wesleyan University

ees deere eenivoon oot daar vat kenoos de vordees toooo de sveedishke chef
theeme songe?

Peter Hoogenboom
phoogenb@ucs.indiana.edu
From: wdwitte@cs.vu.nl (Witte de W)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Re: Bert & Ernie question (thanks)
Date: 6 Apr 92 07:42:20 GMT

grs01146@runt.appstate.edu writes:
>for the growth of children (yes, all of us!!!).  But have you ever wondered?

>Could Bert and Ernie possibly be Gay?

NO, NOT AGAIN. Just one month ago there was a lengthy debat on this item
here. 

>It seems impossible to believe but if you notice carefully some of the ways
>that they seem to be portrayed and some of the songs that they sing could be 
>hidden messages or even *gasp* jokes?  For example...There is a record album , 
>i think its a "Sesame Street's greatest hits".  But it very strongly sways 
>toward that message,
>i wont cite any examples because it would be in bad taste (some of you might
>think i already am in bad taste and that ill understand). If you like, though
>ill e-mail you a list of things that could be considered hints at that.

maybe if you reversed play the album you here Ernie is in love with the
devil. Please stop all this nonsense !


bye,


				wiebe
--
I like acid, acid-house, house, hip-house, hiphop, jack, new-beat and 
hard-beat. Still there are some people who will claim I've a narrowminded 
view on music.
Name: Wiebe de Witte.	E-mail: wdwitte@cs.vu.nl
From: bdb@becker.UUCP (Bruce Becker)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Re: bert
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:53:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: G. T. S., Toronto, Ontario

In article <1992Apr7.185351.11273@Princeton.EDU> taernst@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ted Ernst) writes:
|
|               Six
|
|        Two is your eyes, and
|        One is your nose, and
|        Five is your fingers or
|                your toes, and
|        Four is the legs on an easy chair, but
|        No other number can compare
|        To
|        Six
|
|                Sung by Bert when explaining his
|                choice of favorite number to Ernie


	How about "I want your Six" by George Michael


-- 
  ,u,	 Bruce Becker			Toronto, Ontario
a /i/	 Internet: bdb@becker.gts.org	Uucp: ...!lsuc!becker!bdb
 `\o\-e	 "James Brown, Mark Hosler, Al Jourgenson.
 _< /_	 			Coincidence or conspiracy?" - pashdown
From: sally@romana.Tymnet.COM (Sally Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: alt.tv.dinosaurs?
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:11:25 GMT
Organization: None

I keep hearing about this, but have yet to see any articles. Is anyone
else getting it?

Sally
"Again!"
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 02:21:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.035356.28466@netfs.dnd.ca> bvan@ncs.dnd.ca (Bryan Van Blaricom) writes:

>SEASON 1:
>Kaye Ballard
>Charles Aznavour
>
>SEASON 2:
>Teresa Brewer
>
>SEASON 3:
>Leo Sayer
>Marisa Berenson
>
>SEASON 5:
>Wally Boag

Who are these people?


--
 Bill Sherman     S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n      sherman@math.ucla.edu
      Hail to the sun god!  He is a fun god!  Ra!  Ra!  Ra! 
                                  -Shea and Wilson, _Illuminatus!_
From: klingman@njmsa.umdnj.edu (David Klingman)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: favorite muppets
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:20:19 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Medical School, Newark NJ
Originator: klingman@njmsa.umdnj.edu

since we seem to be on a subject of who our favorite muppets are, here's 
my list of the best... no particular order...

Sam the Eagle
Waldorf and Stadtler (spelling?)
Kermit (who doesn't love kermit... no don't answer that i can see the
  outpouring of responses coming already)
any member of The electric Mayhem
the martians (yep yep yep yep yep....)
and of course Dr. Bunsen Honeydew and his assistant, Beaker 

and now, beaker will remove his finger from the light socket....
i said beaker will remove his hand from the light socket...


Dave
lowly dental student
From: v115qha3@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Donald R Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: more questions
Keywords: fuck you
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:54:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41



1) How old are Bert and Ernie supposed to be...
   ..not how old are they....what are their ages supposed
   to be.

2) how do they pay rent?
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 23:01:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.161228.9460@netfs.dnd.ca> bvan@ncs.dnd.ca (Bryan Van Blaricom) writes:
>
>   Okay, Okay, so "Angus McGonigal, the gargling gargoyle" was first

That's "Angus McGonigle, the Argyle Gargoyle".  He gargles Gershwin.


--
 Bill Sherman     S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n      sherman@math.ucla.edu
  The loudest mouth will hail the newfound way / To be King for a Day.
       - XTC, _Oranges and Lemons_, "King for a Day" (A. Partridge)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Re: Disney's evil takeover
From: cacsc601@ma.secs.csun.edu ()
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:28:15 GMT
Organization: California State University, Northridge

In article <NORM.92Apr6112721@wpi.WPI.EDU> norm@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael A Ferraris) writes:
>>>>>> On 3 Apr 92 18:35:33 GMT, dhaug@willamette.edu (Dagny Haug) said:
>dhaug> Just out of curiousity - has anyone seen the new Muppets
>dhaug> exhibit at Disneyland? I'd love to hear how they've done in
>dhaug> preserving genre purity. Any comments?
>
>I was there this past summer and the best part of the Muppet exhibit
>was the three dimensional movie.  It was exactly like an episode of
>the Muppet show!!!

GAAAAAAAHHHH!!!

Repeat after me...

There is NO Muppet exhibit at Disneyland!!
There is NO Muppet exhibit at Disneyland!!
There is NO Muppet exhibit at Disneyland!!
There is NO Muppet exhibit at Disneyland!!
There is NO Muppet exhibit at Disneyland!!
There is NO Muppet exhibit at Disneyland!!
There is NO Muppet exhibit at Disneyland!!
There is NO Muppet exhibit at Disneyland!!

However, there IS a Muppet exhibit at DISNEY WORLD!!!
                                             ^^^^^
Disneyland is in California.  Disney World is in Florida.

While there MAY be something Muppet in the upcoming Mickey's Toontown in
Disneyland (opening 1993), I believe that the original agreement between
Disney and Henson with respect to theme parks was only for the East Coast,
if I remember correctly.  If they want to add something Muppet at Disneyland
they'll have to renegotiate.

--Deanna Bayless (cacsc601@ms.secs.csun.edu)

In New Orleans Square, Disneyland:  "Excoose me, where ees Liberty Square?"
                                    "Florida."
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
From: mousktr@milton.u.washington.edu (Denise Lockner)
Subject: Re: Bert & Ernie question (thanks)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:09:47 GMT

In article <cee1.702659317@Ra.MsState.Edu> cee1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Charles Evans) writes:
>grs01146@runt.appstate.edu writes:
>>Could Bert and Ernie possibly be Gay?
>PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP THIS THREAD, DO NOT REPLY TO IT!!
>IT IS NOT TRUE, NEVER HAS BEEN TRUE.. QUIT BRINGING THIS UP AND LGET BACK TO
>THE MUPPETS. THEY ARE NOT GAY AND ERNIE IS NOT DYING OF CANCER!!
>
>ITS GETTING OLD!!!!!!!!!
>
        AMEN.  'nuff said.

-Denise
******
"If you can't say something nice...don't say nothin' at all." -THUMPER
From: alan@acpub.duke.edu (Alan M. Gallatin)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Re: alt.tv.dinosaurs?
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:20:45 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Apr10.204859.2785@u.washington.edu> Denise Lockner writes:
>         I use the newsgroup system from the University of Washington
>          (state) and I cannot find this purported newsgroup.  How
>         does one go about obtaining it????  I would love to be a
>         part of alt.tv.dinosaurs!!!

Well, it's not purported, it's for real.  Up to about 60 messages since
its creation!

Some sites will not automatically add every alt.* group that comes over
the net.  If your site is not carrying an alt.* group that you want to
read (e.g. alt.tv.dinosaurs) you should contact your site's news
administrator and simply ask.  In some cases, that may be sufficient;
in others, you will have to "make a good case" for it.  The group is
out there; it's just a matter of getting it.

(If your news admin says "yes, but we're not getting it fed to us" then
it's a matter of having that person "work it up the line" until a feed
carrying the group is found.)

Good luck!!

"We demand a million helicopters, and a dollar... no, wait..."

-- 
 Alan M. Gallatin <alan@acpub.duke.edu>     |  The opinions contained in this
 Duke University School of Law; Durham, NC  |  post are statements of fact.
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:13:53 -0400 
From: Michael Raymond Cote <mc7g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Muppetstuff (even more of it)
	<1992Apr12.070451.14926@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
	<Qdu_8EK00Uh_M3JVIm@andrew.cmu.edu>
	<cdujbQi00Vp3A0sEwF@andrew.cmu.edu>
Distribution: na

Actually, in my frequent visits to toy shops, I've seen Grover finger
puppets.  Try any toy store that isn't part of a major chain like Toys
'R Us or Kay Bee (a "specialty toy shop" type of place).  They're
generally about $2 - $2.50.  

I didn't buy the Grover finger puppet, as I myself am seeking out an
ordinary Ernie finger puppet.  I can only find the "Ernie as a Fireman"
finger puppets.  It's one of those toys that I lost years ago...

As far as stuff that I used to have is concerned, I used to have an
"Anything Muppet."  It can only be described as a 'make your own
muppet.'  It came complete with velcro eyes, noses, hair, etc. and it
was like one of the real little kid muppets (i.e. Eddie and Andy from
"Capt. Vegetable" skit or Roosevelt Franklin).  It was a combination
hand/rod puppet, just like a real muppet.  It was purple with an aqua,
purple, and white striped jersey.  It was lost (or given away?) many
years ago. Last seen in the mid '70s.

--Michael Cote
                                 Over,
"Around, around, around, around,       and       and Through."
                                           Under,

                --Grover
From: jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Duner)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Re: Muppet show Guests
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:00:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr7.020008.8084
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


      I do believe Elton John was on also.  I can't remember if someone said
      George Burns, but he was on there too, because remember Gonzo's joke
      that "I am playing the fiddle while George burns."  Hahahahaha

-- 
=====================================================
= John Meseke      email-jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu  =
= "Some gals like to kiss my face.  Is it luck?"    =
==============================-Les Claypool==========
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
From: taernst@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ted Ernst)
Subject: bert
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Clockwork Orange Ultimate 
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:53:51 GMT


               Six

        Two is your eyes, and
        One is your nose, and
        Five is your fingers or
                your toes, and
        Four is the legs on an easy chair, but
        No other number can compare
        To
        Six

                Sung by Bert when explaining his
                choice of favorite number to Ernie

Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
From: karenchu@athena.mit.edu (Karen Chu)
Subject: FAQ list???
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:51:34 GMT

Hi!

I was just wondering if this group had a FAQ list.  If not, could someone please
tell me whether there is a ftp site for Muppets pictures and what that site may
be????

Thanks,
Karen Chu
karenchu@athena.mit.edu
From: sprooney@unix1.tcd.ie (Simon Rooney)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Re: Muppet show Guests
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:49:54 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

>      I do believe Elton John was on also.  I can't remember if someone said
>      George Burns, but he was on there too, because remember Gonzo's joke
>      that "I am playing the fiddle while George burns."  Hahahahaha

One of my clearest memories from childhood, even though I'm not his
greatest fan, is Elton John's rendition of Crocodile Rock on the
Muppets. I just love muppet crocs.

Nomis
From: tbd@neuro.duke.edu (Tristan Davies)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Re: Who are these people?
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:57:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.2410
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Apr8.230536.19056@csun.edu> cacsc601@ma.secs.csun.edu writes:
-->In article <1992Apr7.022146.22590@math.ucla.edu> sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat) writes:
-->>In article <1992Apr6.035356.28466@netfs.dnd.ca> bvan@ncs.dnd.ca (Bryan Van Blaricom) writes:
-->>
-->>Who are these people?
-->
-->>>SEASON 3:
-->>>Leo Sayer
-->
-->70's Rock/Pop singer.  As soon as I type "send" I'll remember one of his songs,
-->but right now I'm drawing a complete blank.

Maybe you were thinking of "You Make Me Feel Like Dancing"?
	You make me feel like dancing
	(Wanna dance the night away)
	You make me feel like dancing
	(Wanna dance the night away)
	You make me feel like dancing,
	I feel like dancing (woo!),
	Dancing (woo!)
	Dancing the night away

et cetera.  He usually sang in a falsetto, and in retrospect,
sometimes souinded like a lonesome Bee Gee.

He had another big hit too, I think.  Anyone remember it?


Tristan Davies
-- 
e-mail: tbd@neuro.duke.edu
Department of Neurobiology, Duke University Medical Center

"grblb blabt unt mipt speeb!! oot piffoo blaboo..." -- Opus
From: hougland@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Kriss A. Hougland)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: alt.tv.dinosaurs (new group?)
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:54:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ

FYI

I just saw a new news group "alt.tv.inosaurs" pop up.  
(When did the discussion and call for votes take place...
Guess I'll have to resubscribe to the .announce again.)

TTFN
(Not the momma!  Bonk Bonk)


--
askah@acvax.inre.asu.edu      "Only Nixon could make it to China"
hougland@enuxha.eas.asu.edu         -- old Vulcan probverb
"The best solution is a 'total' solution except for genocide" -- me
Here are 4 four letter words people don't use "hope, give, kind, and help" --me
From: verbum@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Neal Whitman)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
Subject: Grover the waiter/elevator operator
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:58:44 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: verbum@doc.cc.utexas.edu

I substituted at a junior high school last week.  During homeroom
the students in my classroom were skimming the channels on the 
classroom tv and I caught glimpses of The Price is Right, The Brady
Bunch, and ..

"Oh, cool, Sesame Street!" I said as some muppets briefly appeared
and disappeared on the screen.
"You watch Sesame Street?" asked the girl at the control panel.
"Yeah, you bet.  I get up in the morning, get dressed, and while
I wait for them to call me in for an assignment I sit down and 
watch tv.  I watch Tiny Toons and Sesame Street."
"Oh my Gawwd, we've got a substitute who watches Sesame Street .... "

Ah, well, they're obviously too immature to appreciate SS properly.

Anyway, on the subject of Grover, and the request for memories
of skits with himas a waiter...

I think the first one I saw must have been written by someone who'd
gotten fed up with being served shit that looked fantastic in the
pictures in the menu.  Here, the blue-headed man orders a hamburger
that has a delicious depiction in the menu, but winds up sending it
back first because there are no chips on the side (as there are in 
the picture), then because the pickle is missing, and finally to
have the olive on a toothpick stuck into the top of the bun, which
he really makes Grover look for, relentlessly questioning him on
what's in the picture that's not on the real thing.  In the end,
though, he leaves without eating it because he's not hungry anymore.
This one was unusual in that it's the blue man who gets the last word.

I don't recall any others right offhand; the only one I can think of
is one I saw last month that I think is a recent one.  The man orders
in succession the #1, #2, #3 and #4 (or maybe it's reverse order), and
Grover manages to drop or trample each of them when he does a little
"Bon appetit" dance to the accompaniment of a mariachi guy.  The gag I
liked was when Grover asked the customer his preference for potatoes
or something else on the side.  The blue man specified potatoes, and
Grover yelled to the kitchen, "Hey Charlie, a #1 with fries on the
side!"  Of course, as any SS watcher can see coming, the dish that
Grover finally unveils intact is an actual number on a plate.


I wish there were more than one sketch with the Kermits Grof, Gorf
and Forg in them.

-verbum

Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets
From: mousktr@milton.u.washington.edu (Denise Lockner)
Subject: Re: Ernie
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: world,local
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:51:58 GMT

In article <sjs.702835853@hoodlum> sjs@hood.hood.caltech.edu (Stephen Speicher) writes:
>rbe@gtech.com (Robert B. Easterbrooks) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr8.211723.23243@u.washington.edu> mousktr@milton.u.washington.edu (Denise Lockner) writes:
>>>       [My own post deleted here]
>>>
>>>     IMHO, Baby Sinclair wins as the way coolest Muppet. AGAIN!!
>>>      (and yes, I own the $35 life-size talking doll!!)
>>>
>>>-Denise
>>>********
>>>"If you can't say something nice...don't say nothin' at all." -THUMPER
>
>>I happen to think that Baby Sinclair IS a cool Muppet, however, there is now a
>>place specifically for discussion of Dinosaurs (as mentioned in earlier posts)
>>and, as such, I felt justified in omitting them from this discussion.
>
>>--
>
>>Big Bad Bob
>
>A lot of people do not yet get alt.tv.dinosaurs, and some may never get it,
>so Dinosaurs will continue to be discussed here in spite of your attempt to
>censor Denise for a perfectly innocent and actually delightful remark!
>
>Gotta love it!
>Stephen
                          
  thank you, Stephen.  I am still trying to get alt.tv.dinosaurs here
  in Seattle, and until I can, I will discuss them AD NAUSEM. So there.

-Denise
******
Newsgroups: alt.tv.muppets