HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: gifs and soccer
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 17:08:44 GMT


slotfi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sherveen Lotfi) writes:
>
>                does anybody know why iran didn't field an
>                olympic soccer team?  i thougth they kicked
>                butt in the asian cup!?!

FIFA (world governing body of soccer) does not allow the players who
are over 23 years of age to compete in the olympics. The Iranian team
that "kicked butt" in the Asian cup had most of its players over 23
years of age, hence making them ineligible for the olympics. The Iran
under-23 team took part in the qualifying round, but was eliminated by
Qatar.

BTW, did you notice that Germans and Brazilians were missing in the
olympic soccer as well? Same reason. In fact, most nations do not take
olympic soccer too seriously. For soccer, unlike most other sports,
the most important competition is not the olympics, it's the world cup.

    --mack

--
When I kiss your lips, I feel the rolling thunder to my fingertips.
And all the while my head is in a spin. Deep within, I'm in love.
You're my everything...                       --Santa Esmeralda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: Re: Mosalman shodane Buchanan
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:28:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.094905.25638@ulrik.uio.no> kambizm@fidibus.uio.no  writes:

>"Shoma MozeEtan ra Moshakhas karde va royash Pafeshari nemayid". 
                                   ^^^^
benAzam be fArsiye "unmatched"!
You tried hard to write something flawless, but you failed again! Mr., I shall
remind you that from dastoore zabAbe avvale nazari, the above "va" should not
be there. You have to write either:
"Shoma MozeEtan ra Moshakhas karde, royash Pafeshari nemayid". 
or:
"Shoma MozeEtan ra Moshakhas konid va royash Pafeshari nemayid". 
Don't worry, I don't check your writing regularly, yedafe cheshmam oftad :-)

>Ali who in the discussion on Sharia law said that it should be up to
>Khalkhali and not us to decide on murderers does not know that "Salahiate
>Khalkhali, Hadi Ghafari va gheyr Braye dore baAdie Majlis TaAyid nashod
>va Anham be Elate Fesad". And these nice guys have been under investigations
>and only with the threat of revealing some other facts have been able to
>overhaul the process.

mesle inkeh dishab bA khayyAm hampiyAle boodi!
It was ME, not Ali who wrote about Shari'a law! And I didn't say Khakhaali
must decide or judge. But he is very famous for his swift hand in execution.
I quoted him, maybe you understand what I mean, a useless try.

>                                            Kambiz

Seyyed.
From: farhad@cwi.nl (Farhad Arbab)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: IRAQ and IRAN
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:45:53 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <1992Aug17.222859.28026@news.clarkson.edu>, saleham@right.clarkson.edu (Anwar M. Saleh) writes:
|> 
|> 
|>  Check it out. Persians in Iran constitute 52% of the populations. The rest are
|>  Kurds, Assyrians, Turks, Arabs and so on.
|>   
|>   
|>  Anwar Saleh

Check it out, Kurds and most Turkish speaking people in Iran, as
well as most other ethnic groups in Iran ARE Iranians.  Kurds
and Persians are two of the major ethnic Iranian sub-groups.

To clarify, by Iranian, I do not mean living in the geographic
boundary of the country called Iran; I mean as a "people" or a
race.

Furthermore, most of the population of Turkey is not ethnic Turks
(descendants of the nomadic tribes who came from the East) and most
people who speak (very different dialects of) Arabic (e.g., in Egypt)
are not ethnic Arabs (from Arabia).

People are entitled to respect for their cultural and ethnic
heritage.  Broad categories are sometimes useful if used properly.
But often, a broad category as "the Arabs" or "Turks" or even
"Iranians" is too general and becomes a means to perpetuate
bigotry through malice and ignorance.  "The Arabs" as often used
to refer to multitudes of distinct peoples with different
cultural and historic backgrounds (generally with the Arabic
language and Islam as their commonality) is inaccurate and robs
people of their individual cultural heritage.  Calling an
Egyptian, a Sudanese, a Moroccan, an Iraqi, and a Saudi-Arab
"an Arab," as if they were interchangeable, is just as meaningful as
using the term "English" to refer to anyone who speaks English
(even if only as his/her first language) in today's world.


Cheers,

Farhad Arbab
Interactive Systems
Centre for Mathematics and Computer Science
Kruislaan 413, 1098 SJ Amsterdam
The Netherlands
Email: farhad@cwi.nl                    Fax:   +31 20 592-4199
Phone: +31 20 592-4056                  Telex: 12571 mactr nl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Survey on summaries of Kayhan highlights
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 08:48:09 GMT

farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:
>
>So if you are interested, please post a short message to SCI

I vote in favor of KH summaries.    

> - Farzin

    --mack

--
For as long as I know how to love, I know I'll stay alive.
I've got all my life to live, I've got all my love to give
and I'll survive, I will survive.          --Gloria Gaynor
From: farhad@cwi.nl (Farhad Arbab)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Religion and mythology
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:52:15 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <1992Aug17.180411.15125@ulrik.uio.no>, kambizm@fidibus.uio.no writes:

|> of dreams. As the time passed an abstraction  of 
|> these primitive religious and mythical notion happenned.
|> An abstraction from pantheism to multitheical religion of greeks
|> and persians to dualism of Zaratostianism and monotheism of 
|> Judeo-christianity. In the Pelican history of world the role of
|> Zaratostianism on forming some central notions of Judeo
|> _christianity. The role of fire in Zaratostianism as something
|> that clean (like a strong detergent!!) has adapted by the Judaistic
|> religions as the notion of hell fire. Also the notion of angels are
|> borrowed from Zaratostianism. Manistic religion has had a special
|> influence on the post Christ christianity. Mani supporters who fled 
|> from the prosecution in the hand of Zaratostians influenced very much
|> religious movements in the region. They went far to east and west,
|> 
|>                                   Shad bashid    Kambiz

Although Judaism has the reputation of being the first monotheistic
religion (which is what you seem to imply in the text above as well),
this claim does not match with certain historic facts.  Judaism as the
religion of a certain Semitic tribes is very old (older than Moses),
but historians believe that initially, it was NOT monotheistic.  In
fact, many historians consider Zoroastrianism as the world's first
monotheistic religion (see, e.g., the Encyclopedia Britanica).

There seems to be quite a lot of misunderstanding of
Zoroastrianism among Iranians.  This is very unfortunate.  As
usual, such misunderstandings perpetuate and often become hurtful
(discrimination, prejudice, bigotry, derogatory remarks, ethnic
and religious conflicts) due to 1% malaice and 99% ignorance.

The dualism in Zoroastrianism is precisely the same concept as
the conflict between Satan and God in the Judeo-Christian and
Islamic religions.  It does not undermine the monotheistic
nature of any of these religions.  References to Zoroastrians as
fire worshipers and the like are rarely malicious, often a sign
of ignorance, but always untrue and very hurtful.  Zoroastrians
are no more "fire worshipers" than Moslems are "rock worshipers"
for their respect for Ka'ba in Mecca.

Cheers,

Farhad Arbab
Interactive Systems
Centre for Mathematics and Computer Science
Kruislaan 413, 1098 SJ Amsterdam
The Netherlands
Email: farhad@cwi.nl                    Fax:   +31 20 592-4199
Phone: +31 20 592-4056                  Telex: 12571 mactr nl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: Re: ostAde sokhan kAmbiz ...
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:34:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.182349.22212@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:

>
>hAfaze she'r-o ghenayi AghA kAmbiz ammA
>                     be savAde to ze dastoore zabAn bAyad ...
>
>Seyyed.

See! If you keep reading kAmbiz's articles, you end up with mistakes like this!
Sorry !!!

hAfeze she'r-o ghenAyi AghA kAmbiz ammA
                     be savAde to ze dastoore zabAn bAyad ...

Seyyed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mkarimna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Melissa Karimnamazi)
Subject: Information Request
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:42:14 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: hernlem@che13.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Re: Iranian Men
Reply-To: hernlem@che13.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:49:12 GMT

*****
Dear peter;
As an Iranian man I have to accept it that you are right. Most of Iranian
women in here Which I talked to prefer to marry an American men or some
other nationality. I don't know if it's because most of us lost our persian
value and culture trying so hard to be an american or something else.
Yes; This is typical treatment of Iranian women by Iranian men. I think we
like to take what's only good for ourselves from both cultures. we like our
wife to work and bring the paycheck home and at the same time do all the
house work and cooking too. we like to go out and have a good time like
americans but when it comes to our wife, the story is different. we should
realize it we can't have our cake and eat it too at the same time.
I think nationality and culture does not have anything to do with a
successful marriage as far as you always give a little more than what you
are asking for.
It's nice to here some comments from Iranian women on this subject.
I posted this article before but since our network was down for two days
I don't know if it was posted or not If it was I apologize for posting
it twice.

sincerely yours;

Ali Eslami
*****

Dear Ali va "hamnetoon",

You write that "I don't know if it's because most of us lost our persian
value and culture trying so hard to be an american or something else".
It is my observation that often Iranians try too hard to change because
they apparently believe that this is neccessary or desireable in order
to live in the U.S. I am strongly opposed to this notion and think that
it leads only to problems. People cannot change who they are and how are
they to aquire a different culture than the one that they already know?
Culture is something deep that is acquired from a lifetime of
experiences and growth. It is not something that you can learn from
books or the television or radio. You can observe from the outside but
without being raised in a culture you cannot fully acquire it. Even
being raised in the U.S. only exposes you to a particular segment of the
culture of the society. I think that this problem comes up most
noticeably when an Iranian couple try to raise children in the U.S. How
should they raise their children? With the Iranian culture that they
know or with what they presume to be American culture? I say stick with
the values that you know. I was raised in a "religious" atmosphere. My
parents thought that this was best and that is what they knew. Of
course, this meant that we were significantly different than many
families around us but thankfully my parents realized that it was more
important to have some sort of values than to "fit in". 

Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)

p.s. to Peter. I received your mail.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Subject: Yugoslavia
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:31:21 GMT


According to this issue of Newsweek:

( I do not know whether the International issue of Newsweek
  which we get in Europe is the same as the one in U.S.A)
  
>Alan Clark a former British defence minister, wondered how anyone 
>could tell families of dead British soldiers "that their son died
>not for the Queen and country but to prevent Serbs from killing
>Muslims". 

As I remember British soldiers were ready to die for the AlSabah
family and oil in the Kuwait.

A Swedish minister (equal to secretary of State) called Kosovo
Albanian refugees from Yugoslavia as thieves and attributed that
to their culture. It has become usual for right wing parties
and governments in the world to use this language against people
with Islamic origin. This new crusade is the new face of racism
specially strengthen by the bad publicity fundamentalists have
given to the Islamic countries. The fear of the Europeans from 
Islamic fundamentalism is used to feed racism. Many are talking
of replacing Islamic countries with Eastern block as the new
enemy. Serbia is already using the bad publicity Muslims have got
in Europe in their propaganda against Bosnian Muslims. According
to Newsweek, Serbian radio call Bosnian Muslims as Islamic 
fundamentalists, fanatics and Khomeinists. Franko Tudjman, the
Croatian leader who apparently sided with the Muslims but 
in a secret deal with Serbs, have seized a big chunk of Bosnia 
(Also according to last issue of Newsweek) now warns Europe 
openly against an Islamic country in the middle
of Europe. Europeans and Americans have done nothing to stop
the massacre in Bosnia and in reality may have covered for the 
Ethnic cleansing by the Serbs. 

                                  Kambiz
From: mehdizadeh@asl.slb.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Jok-e-rooz
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:38:45 GMT
Reply-To: mehdizadeh@asl.slb.com
Organization: Schlumberger/Anadrill Sugar Land, TX

Ye rashti merah khonehyeh dostesh (rashti degeh) va zang dar mejaneh
dostesh megeh: "Keyeh"
rashtiyeh megeh: "Manam"
dostesh megeh: "Khafeh show pedarsag, Ageh tow mani pass man keyam"


Rashtiha be tekhtekhab che megan?
Ans: Mazandaran.....Ma va zan dar an



ye rashati Qayeghesh mebareh toyeh daryayeh Mazandaran.
ye ho vasete darya kashtiesh sorakh meshe va ab dareh hamentoor meyad to.
ye helekopter amricai meyad balay saresh va megeh:
	"Hey what's the matter?"
rashteyeh megeh:
	"Aa jan tanabe nejato befrest painn!"
Amricai megeh:
	"I don't understand you what do you want?"
rashteyeh megeh:
	"Baba jan goftam tanabo befrest painn"
Amricai:
	"come on tell me what can I do for you?"
rashteyeh:
	"Baba jan gorbonet beram do u espeak english?"
amricai:
	"YES! YES! YES! WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU?"
rashtyeh:
	"Pass pedarsag tanabo befrest painn"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: More Iranian sports trivia (By Kamran Iranpour)
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 21:35:30 GMT


AghA hooshyAr, dastet dard nakoneh. You set me up for a healthy amount
of flame from the ahAli by your posting.

bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:

>beautiful goal by Ghafoor Jahani our lion of the North.
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[fireproof flame suit on]

sheer ke rashti nemeesheh ... agar besheh sheer nemeesheh

>Hooshyar F. Naraghi

    --mack

--
When I kiss your lips, I feel the rolling thunder to my fingertips.
And all the while my head is in a spin. Deep within, I'm in love.
You're my everything...                       --Santa Esmeralda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: eeajm@sunvis1.vislab.olemiss.edu (Movahedi Alireza)
Subject: Test
Organization: Mississippi Center for Supercomputing Research
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:22:31 GMT

This is a test.
From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: BBC Unveils CIA Monetory Support for Iranian Opposition
Date: 23 Aug 92 03:03:28 GMT
	<5pj.dm4pr@lab.ntt.jp> <BtCr98.38n@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
	<nur.dphea@lab.ntt.jp> <BtDytv.MwM@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Organization: none

In article <BtDytv.MwM@news.cso.uiuc.edu> yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:

 +> #Look what they did to Iran's economy.
 +>  
 +>Look what they did to their own economy!
 +
 +And how worse their economy would look if they had not taken the oil
 +for practically free.

(this is the only part that was interesting to respond to)
    
I don't believe oil is 'practically free'. You might remember that many
people were predicting that after the end of the last Persian Gulf war,
the price of oil would suddenly collapse. But it did not happen! Why?

Clearly, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other Arab oil producers are 
subservient to the US which means that much of their oil income
effectively "belongs" to US (and western Europe). (For example,
Saudi Arabia has turned into the largest purchaser of US arms.
You can imagine how much more they return to the US in various
ways).
                   
So a reduction in the price of oil would reduce US income! That
is why Saudi Arabia recently supported a cutback in production
to support prices. It could not have been without a nod from the
Big Brother. Therefore I wouldn't worry about the US trying to
pull prices down.

                                              
  - Farzin Mokhtarian
    farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp
                    

                           
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: news@fmiapd2.uucp
Subject: TEST
Organization: Fujitsu Microelectroics Inc
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 22:50:01 GMT

TEST TEST TEST
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: Survey on summaries of Kayhan highlights
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:23:33 GMT

farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:



>So far I have posted a couple of articles in which I summarized
>the highlights of Kayhan Havaii. This should have given people
>a taste of the kind of news it has. I like to continue ONLY IF
>there is sufficient interest out there to justify the effort.
>That is why I am asking people to let me know whether they are
>interested in reading those summaries (that is all, you are
>NOT required to believe all of it  :-) ) So if you are
>interested, please post a short message to SCI (so that others
>can see it too) clearly indicating your interest. If you are
>not interested, please do not post a reply at all (negative
>replies will be ignored anyway since those people can simply
>skip to the next article). 
>      
>So, here we go ...
>    
> - Farzin
>   
Please do post KH summaries.
We need to keep you busy somehow!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: Spain and Iran
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:12:55 GMT

kambizm@fidibus.uio.no  writes:


>                                Iran and Spain

>and Iran have gone different ways. In the openning ceremony Iran was the 
>only country who did not let a woman to carry its flag. This made the 
>Scandinavian womanTV commentator very angry.
	      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                                                        Kambiz

And you were once again embarresd by the people of the country of your origin.
All you need to do is to forget about Iran and its uncivilized and fanatic
people change your name and citizenship (if you have not done so) and
stop bothering yourself with sci.  This happens to people who 
try so much to understand the West (or better said immitating Westerners)
that they forget their own culture/custom/religion.

Kalaaghe omad raah raftan ro az kabk taghlid koneh
raah raftane khodesh ro ham faraamoosh kard.






Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Subject: Re: Baghdad is an Iranian city !!!
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 17:03:17 GMT

In article <38707@imag.imag.fr> oueichek@ngulu (Ibaa Oueichek) writes:
>hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
>: Babak writes:
>: ***
>: I just red this discussion about Baghdad.  It makes sense that Baghdad has
>: a Persian root and comes from Bagh-Dad meaning garden of justice. That is:
>: 
>: Bagh = Garden
>: Dad  = Justice
>: ***
>: 
>: 
>: Are you sure about this? Baghdad is pronounced "Bagh-dAd" and not
>: "BAgh-dAd", is it not?
>: 
>:          |      *
>:       \  |  \   _
>:      __| | __| |__|_|
>:               /    *
>:              |
>:               \_
>
> Aie, my teacher would be very angry if i wrote it that way. The correct
> spelling is 
> 
>          |       *
>       \  |  \   _   
>      __| | __|_|__|_|
>                    *
> The "Ghain" should be connected with the DAL.
>: 
>: Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
>
>--

you should all be ashamed of your "handwriting". It is like this:


              |  
              |			*			/
   ----\      |		|    |------|		      /  
       |      |		|     \    /   |	    /
   ----/      |	       / \------\/--- /	\-----------
              |      / 			     *
                   			     


zafar
Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:7284 soc.culture.afghanistan:872
From: WALID@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Walid Majid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: baghdad is iranian city !!!
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:21:56 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center


In article <sehari.714266348@vincent1.iastate.edu>, sehari@iastate.edu (Babak
Sehari) says:
>
>
>It is very usual in Persian, like Gospand and Gosfand, Hami-ravad and
>mi-ravad. By the way in some western dialacts bagh is used instead of BAgh.
>Iranian, like any other people in the world including Americans, like to make
>the words shorter and easier to speak.  Even we in Tehran call ourselves
>Tehroni, not the correct Persian Tehrani.
>
>                     With highest regards,
>                          Babak   Sehari.

now you are telling iraqis how to pronounce THEIR capital's name.

well according to iranians everything either started from iran or invented
there.  by the way they also think all of asia is really iran.  please, give
us a break.  come on down from your world of imagination and as they say
smell the coffee my friend (tell us if iranians have also made the world's
first coffee).

cheers.
From: rnz@VENUS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Accessing the newsnet
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:59:20 GMT
Reply-To: rnz@VENUS



>Hello everyone,
>
>I was wondering if any one out there knows how to access this
>news net from the IBM internet. If you do, please send the
>reply directly to my sister. Her address:

>BEYZAVI@PKSMRVM.VNET.IBM.COM

>(I think the whole thing has to be in capital letters).

>Thanks.

I think the problem may be that IBM don't let anybody send any e-mail 
to outside the organisation. This may be meant to prevent any high-tech 
material finding its way into the hands of the campetitors!! May be you could 
shed some light on to this.

This was the topic of the disscussion I had with one of the lectuers in our 
department who is going over to US IBM for some consultancy work.

 


     ***************************************************
     *	   email address: rnz@ecs.soton.ac.uk          *
     ___________________________________________________

Reza Noorizadeh						rnz@ecs.soton.ac.uk
Department of Electronics and Computer Science		Tel. (0703) 593528
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: karim@hp835.mitek.com (Karim Sharif)
Subject: Re: Survey on summaries of Kayhan highlights
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:55:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.084809.817@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:
>>
>>So if you are interested, please post a short message to SCI
>
>I vote in favor of KH summaries.    

 I also vote in favor of KH summaries, as long the good and the bad is
 summarized.

>
>> - Farzin
>
>    --mack
>
>--
>For as long as I know how to love, I know I'll stay alive.
>I've got all my life to live, I've got all my love to give
>and I'll survive, I will survive.          --Gloria Gaynor