HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Give Me a Break: China to Buy Ford Tempos from U.S.
Date: 31 Jul 92 05:30:21 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <4030@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.212449.24077@rigel.econ.uga.edu> jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu writes:
>>
>>You don't even know why, now I feel more sorry for you :-)
>
>I guess you better save the sorry for yourself ;)  It seems that we
>don't share the way of value something.  There are lot of other 'fun'
>things than selecting a 'fun' used car, like playing go on igs.

Looks like we don't and I wish you luck sincerely. I didn't mean
to let you believe my value is better than yours. 
 
>By any chance, do you own a laptop with Sun OS?  I with you got more fun
>than my 386.

That was my suggestion when one guy asked about how to blow his money. 
I never had a chance to myself. I wasted all my money on used cars, you see.
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Question for Shi Chunde
Date: 25 Jul 92 19:15:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science

In article <1992Jul24.190919.25352@ultb.isc.rit.edu> mxx7655@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>In article <k+S-8DB@engin.umich.edu>, chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul23.080705.12773@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders) writes:
>>>>
>>Let me answer the questions for Shi Chunde
>>
>>>1.  What has kept you from returning to China?
>>
>>He never said he would not return to China. Qian XieSheng, the
>>father of Chinese rockets Long March series, stayed in USA for
>>more than 20 years and was a professor in MIT before he returned 
>>to China. On the time he left USA, the Secretary of State said 
>>he was worth a division of army. Prof Qian has proven that he 
>>is worth more than it.
>>
>>How much Shi Chunde will be worth when he returns to China?
>>I guess more than 1 division of army.
>>
>>>
>>>2.  What possible attraction does the US have for you?
>>
>>His university needs him and employed him. This is the reason
>>for him to stay.
>>
>>>
>>>Please do not get the impression that I am asking you to leave.  
>>
>>Well, maybe, you are afraid of another division of army will
>>leave USA and join China.
>>
>>>
>>>Robert Sanders
>>
>>J Chen
>>Department of Chemistry
>>University of Michigan
>
>    I think you'd better let Mr Shi answer the questions himself so that no one
>will challenge the adequency of the answers you'v given if we don't know if you
>were authorised to be a spokeman of Mr. Shi regarding the following questions:
>	1.Would Mr. Shi consider returning home?
           Why matters to you!
>	2.Would he be the second Prof. Qian?
           No! I am only a humble student, news junky, little uncomfortable
               about distortion!
>          (If so,CIA or FBA would pay attention to Mr.Shi for they can afford
>to give China an another Prof.Qian).
>	3.He came here simply because the university needs him.What about China
>also needs him?
           again, Why matters to you!
>
>Now,I started to think that USA will pass the protection bill because they are
>afraid of 40,000 PHDs leaving USA to join China. Yes,40,000 PHDs,that probably
>in equavalant 40,000 division of army! Just kidding!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shchen@eos.ncsu.edu 
Subject: Re: Chinese and dogs, Insurance policy, and dream of freedom
Originator: shchen@c00004-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: shchen@eos.ncsu.edu 
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:05:36 GMT


In article <1992Jul17.111341.20615@gmd.de>, guo@borneo.gmd.de (Guo Shuwei) writes:
|>
|>In article <92198.231914SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>, <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|>|> 
         [a lot of sentimental craps deleted]

|>|> Together we can make a difference, together we can make the tomorrow
|>|> of China. If we only ask for protection and justice here in USA, we will
|>|> never get rid of the injustice and exploit we are facing now!
|>|> 
|>|This is the best artical I have seen in the net!
|>I hope every people in the net can read it!
|>> 

So, what is the point of this article?  Let's all pack our bags and head for our 
homeland and fight those commies instead of being second class citizens in U.S.?
Anyone out there second this motion?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xwang@ug.cs.dal.ca (Roland (Xinlei) Wang)
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:23:44 GMT

In article <redmondd.712414807@unix1.tcd.ie> redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz) writes:
>In <1992Jul28.165639.6557@umbc3.umbc.edu> yzhang@math12.math.umbc.edu (Yin Zhang) writes:
>
>>I assume that the Chinese female swimmers in the contests all have
>>passed the gender test and drug test.  So a gold medal is a gold
>>medal.  Remember this is Olympics, not one of those Miss Universe
>>contests where the prettiest girl wins.
>
>Yeah, but also remember that if you come off the dope a few weeks
>before the meet you won't get caught but the "benefits" linger.
Same for those americans, if so.
>
>Judge Raz.


-- 
!  Xinlei (Roland) Wang              - Both name are given. HmHm... 8-|   !
!  Add: 3000 Olivet St. Apt. 103 Halifax, N.S. Canada. Phone:902-453-0565 !
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!  DARK NIGHT GIVE US DARK EYES, BUT WE USE IT TO LOOK FOR SUN. -Gu Chen  !
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hl2a@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Haiyan  Liu)
Subject: Re: China News
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:42:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.174319.1333@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>Last night ABC news, China has signed a contract with the big three 
>>auto-makers worth of $130 million for auto parts supplies by the 
>>end of this year. I am very glad to hear this news. Our homeland's
>>Another news I got from the People's Daily, is about a contract with 
>>Chevron for providing compressor oil for the airplanes, and this 
>>contract will last for many years.
>
>CMFN bill will have less chance to rob chinese people of "BOWLS" 
>this time. What a shame that some "chinese" are even trying to
>threat the right that more than 100 countries have here! If MFN
>is deprived of, then chinese products will lost all the 
>competition they are having in the US market.

According to the Chemical Engineering Progress, China has recently signed
several contracts with Chevron and some European companies.  China will
become strong whether she would conditionally get the MFN statue or not.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:21705 rec.sport.olympics:2082
From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Mr. Solinsky insults Jews along with the Chinese
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:14:32 GMT
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Jul31.071849.25463@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:

>As far as why the US has more criminals than China, I think that the answer is
>obvious. In China, you just kill them all. (This time I'm using real facts since
>I was addressed in a descent manner.) The biggest Holocaust of all time has been
>the Chineese masacre of "enemies of the state". figures ranger from 45-100
>million killed with the median at around 80M. Compared to this Stalin was a
>petty thief and Hittler was the sort of fellow you'd like to have babysit for
>your kids. Naturally, there are very few in prison. Everybody else is dead.
>(Note that these figures only include people directly killed by the state and
>to not include the cultural revolution or what ever you call that). In any
>study of Holocausts, Communist China is always number one.

Mr. Solinsky, even assuming you're correct about China, does it ever occur
to you that there is more that makes a Holocaust than the body count alone?
Please explain to my family members who survived Dachau that Hitler is the
sort of fellow you'd like to have babysit for your kids (though actually,
after watching you on the net for the last few days, he's the sort of fellow
that I'd like to have babysit for *your* kids, too). Your article was, no
doubt, intended to insult the Chinese as all your articles these days seem
to be; however not to recognize the difference between scattered killings,
no matter how many, and mechanized genocide is more than an insult to the
Jews, Roma, and others who had their lives shattered by the Holocaust (and
by the way, when the word is capitalized it has but one referent in standard
English usage); it begins to look like a deliberate effort to downplay it.
Your motives for making another Holocaust easier for your much-heralded
Americans to stomach and hence considerably more likely to happen here, I
will not discuss; however, Shemira and the JDL will be glad to have this
attempt, like the rest they keep track of, on record.

>Jason W. Solinsky

	-Nora
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: p_mahnken@tamar.compserv.utas.edu.au
Subject: Re: No Dogs or Chineses
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:59:44 +1000

Chun Shide writes that the countries of Asia, and the KMT government on Taiwan,
 did NOT breathe easily after the PRC's defeat at the hands of the Vietnamese.

I agree with your point, my error!!!

Andrew Papadimos
From: yuanj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Steriods. (was Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang won gold medal) 
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:59:35 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <yzhou.712266040@void>, yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Ya Zhou) writes:
>   As I recall, there has never been a Chinese Summer Olympics athlete charged
>   with any kind of steroid using by IOC, controversially, some American athletes
>   have be banned because of using steroid. 

I think there are cases when Chinese are tested positive, BUT it was because
the athletes took some traditional Chinese flu-killer (Su4 Xiao4 Shang1 Feng1
Jiao1 Nang2, fast cold relief sapsule) which should not have steriods.  I heard
of this in 1985 or so.  It is said that the national team then decided to avoid
these flu-killers during the training sessions and the games.

Any use of steriods by Chinese athletes?  I have never heard of.


J. Yuan
From: XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: An old word
Date: 26 Jul 92 08:36:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92208.043630XXX100
Organization: Penn State University

An old word comes to mind: Yu4 Jia1 Zhi1 Zui4, He2 Huan4 Wu2 Ci2.

Would anyone out there please to tell me its story?

Thanks in advance.

X Xu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liu9yong@athena.mit.edu ()
Subject: Re: BBC Coverage
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:24:02 GMT

In article <m0mDZSe-00006sC@tamuts.tamu.edu> n34bb@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU (Lucas Chan) writes:
>When I was in UK during the period of 23rd Olympic Games, the BBC coverage
>was a lot fairer than the NBC in US in this Olymic Games. They were even
>critized by some that they were not "patriotic" in their reports. This
>was also true during the Falkland War when the BBC tried to make a firm
>stand on neutrality. I think there is a big gap in professional journalism
>between the British and the American. 
>
>Perhaps this is due to the recession in US, everyone wants to find some way
>to regain their pride as citizen of the Big USA. Perhaps that was part of
>the reasons that many americans are still wanting to war with Iraq, just
>like thugs wanting to find someone to release their steam.
>
>Lucas

Lu Xun, in his famous analysis of Guo Cui (Treasure of China), said, people
in a country will only cling to nationalism and patriotism when she is
declining. Of course, Lu Xun meant to refer to China. But if we look at
America now, we can certainly understand why NBC is broadcasting all-American
poor performance, and we can understand why there is such slogan as "Buy
American".
From: mvdvalk@cs.vu.nl (Valk v/d M)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Interview with Maoist in Peru
Date: 31 Jul 92 09:46:19 GMT

Yuk! What the HELL is this! This is disgusting! I think I have to throw up!
--
Martijn van der Valk				e-mail: <mvdvalk@cs.vu.nl>
Dept. of Mathematics & Computer Science
Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam
De Boelelaan 1081A, 1081 HV  Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Subject: Re: An Example of THE "Chinese Culture"
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 20 Jul 1992 23:24:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul6.185947.17182@sunova.ssc.gov> xiaoyu@grumpy.SSC.GOV (Xiaoyu Li) writes:
>
>I hope we Chinese will not be sadly entitled the bad name "Ugly
>Chinaman" cursed by the Taiwanese writer. :-)
>

I believe you are talking about Bo Yang. Bo Yang (real name Guo Yi Dong)
is a Chinese. He specifically said that he felt happy when being called
 a Chinese. So he should be called a Chinese as he wishes. 

Chou1

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: serg@factinfo.khabarovsk.su (rewa sergey vladimirovich)
Subject: Looking for partners !
Reply-To: serg@factinfo.khabarovsk.su
Organization: Fact-INFO
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 10:08:44 +0400

             *** LOOKING FOR CONTACTS ***
  We beg the pardon for using this conference,but we didn't
find any other. We are looking for commercial/trade contacts
in countries of South-Eastern Asia (Japan,China,Korea,Hongkong,
Taiwan etc.). So,if anybody can provide us with Internet or Bitnet
adresses of interested centres/firms/companies in named regions,
we'll be extremly thankfull.
Our commercial interests are widely spread in the sphere of
consumption.
Please,answer us directly, 'cos we don't read this conference.
 - Sergey Rewa - (Fact-INFO firm,Khabarovsk,Russia)

Internet : SERG@FACTINFO.KHABAROVSK.SU



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lchai@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Liang Chai)
Subject: Re: Mao vs. Deng (Re: incident)
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:34:01 GMT

In article <2A6CB967.2484@noiro.acs.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>No, Mao is NOT a destruction oriented person.  Mao established a country, which
>is called as "New China".  Weather this "New China" is better or worse than 
>the "Old China" should be another issue, but only blinds cannot see the
>difference between "Old China" and "New China".  Mao is aggreesive and full
>of HuanXiang (illusion?).  
>
>Deng Xiaoping is a kind of manager type person.  If someone already founded a
>company such as the "P R China Corporation", he can work as a manager at this
>corporation.  In other words, if Mao did not exist, and if Chiang Kai-shek 
>still were the emperor of China and keep doing the corruptive things, Deng
>Xiaoping will *definately* NOT be able to destroy Chiang Kai-shek to establish
>a different China.


Don`t be so sure. How do you know that?


>Mao is a senior politician, Deng is a "tech"-politician.  Mao knew how to 
>control his people, Deng knows how to cheat his people.
>
>But, please be advised that we have millions of qualified personnels to work 
>as the manager of "P R China Corporation".  Let alone myself, most of the SCC
>readers can handle a better job than Deng.
>
>Also, please ask yourselves a question: why the Chinese seldom (almost never)
>support the real genuine people to be their "emperors"?
>
>shannon
>-------
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: [Olympics] Three More Medals Go To China / Medals Standing (18:04EST)
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:27:19 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

The latest China-related Olympics News can be found in CND-Global during 
the Barcelona Summer Olympics.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
1) From: CND Source
   Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:04:40 EST

              FENCING
            WOMEN'S FOIL
 Gold -- Giovanna Trillini, Italy
 Silver -- Wang Huifeng, China
 Bronze -- Tatiana Sadovskaia, Unified Team

                JUDO
     WOMEN'S 134-POUND DIVISION
 Gold -- Catherine Fleury, France
 Silver -- Yael Arad, Israel
 Bronze -- Elena Petrova, Unified Team; Zhang Di, China

Another Bronze went to China (event and name not available for now)

Meanwhile, Chinese women basketball team stopped the host Spain by 66:63.  

2) From: CND Source
   Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:04:40 EST

@@@ DJ    07/30
Summer Olympics: Overall Medals Standings

          (THROUGH 71 EVENTS)
COUNTRY     GOLD SILVER BRONZE  TOTAL
Unified Team 18     8     10      36
U.S.         11    11     10      32
China         7    10      4      21
Germany       4     5      9      18
France        1     3      8      12
Hungary       6     4      1      11
Australia     3     3      3       9
Italy         1     3      4       8
South Korea   5     0      2       7
Poland        3     2      2       7
Japan         2     2      3       7
Cuba          2     3      1       6
Sweden        0     3      3       6
Bulgaria      1     4      0       5
Romania       0     1      4       5
Britain       1     1      2       4
New Zealand   0     2      2       4
Turkey        2     1      0       3
Netherlands   0     0      3       3
Spain         2     0      0       2
Norway        1     1      0       2
Canada        1     0      1       2
Independent Team (Yugoslavia)
              0     0      2       2
Brazil        0     1      0       1
Israel        0     1      0       1
Latvia        0     1      0       1
Peru          0     1      0       1
Belgium       0     0      1       1
Finland       0     0      1       1
Mongolia      0     0      1       1
North Korea   0     0      1       1
Surinam       0     0      1       1

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Forwarded to SCC by Bo Xiong in Chicago
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Re: Who was Lu Xun?
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:33:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.044000.8081@midway.uchicago.edu> hh15@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.185324.12941@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>>Greetings, folks. I have come across a quote by someone named Lu Xun. Does
>>anyone know who this person was, and are there any writings of his
>>available?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>-Danny Keren.
>>
>
>
>One of the three best chinese writers and thinkers of this century.


You are kidding, right? Who are the other two? Mao Dun (Shen Yanbing)
and Guo Moruo? I don't think they can be compared to Lu Xun. Guo is a
shameless writer while Lu Xun is a real man.
From: EY04@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: 'The Spirit of China.'
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:00:39 GMT
Organization: University of Liverpool

TThe Spirit of ChinaU.

 First, let me state that I am a Westerner, non-Chinese, and have visited China
on two occasions in the past.

I heard on  BBC Radio 4  today,  that  China has opened up  a race course in
Beijing  and  that plans were under way to open more in other parts of China:
Guangzhou etc. As I understood the report, gambling is prohibited, but people
could win hats, shirts etc. if they had an entrance ticket with a winning
number. This new venture apparently has come about from a statement made by Deng
Xaio Ping  earlier in the  year, in which he stated that he would like to see
the pace of reform in China speeded up.

Now, I am not writing this to argue the rights and wrongs of horse racing;  but
simply say that if China wants to emulate the West and reform, it should be
more selective in the things it chooses.

When I was in China, many of the  people I met there were:  helpful, friendly,
kind, even, dare I say it, humble; although, doubtless there were many
exceptions that, as a westerner, I did not see- IUm sure you will agree with
that! but, considering the arrogance of the west towards China in the past  and
the unthinkable atrocities of the Japanese, it is even more remarkable to me,
that this, TSpirit of ChinaU still exists amongst the general population, a
spirit of  community, happiness;  perhaps, due  partly to the old communist
system idea of Tworking togetherU, and  ChinaUs isolation in the past. Maybe,
you think that as a westerner, I have an idealised view of China, and that
living there for any length of time would soon change my mind.Doubtless you may
be right, but I canUt help but think that this pursuit of western Ideas and
values will only lead to the greedy, self-centred society that seems to typify
so much in the west, and this, I feel  can only be to the detriment of China.
Please donUt think that  I am saying the everything in the west is all  bad,
IUm not saying that at all; only it has it good and bad points.Should China
develop! of course it should! Should people enjoy a higher standard of living!
Yes, why not! Should ChinaUs political system become more democratic! Well if
thatUs what the people want IUm all for it. The only thing I say is that taking
on these new ideas also bring dangers as well as benefits and China should be
more TpickyU. IUm very fond of China and its people, and my happiness would be
completed if I could find a nice Chinese wife and go and live there (any
offers!). I have respect for the Chinese people.So I write this to encourage
Chinese people to think first, before you: Ttake on boardU ideas from the west.
China has so much of its own.

					Regard,  RJS.
EY04@uk.ac.liv  TThe greatest asset of a country is its people.-RJS 1992.U
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Who_care_what_you_think?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:41:47 GMT

In article <l7grelINNg72@alcor.usc.edu> zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)  
writes:
> In article <9207292236.AA07751@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu> xzhu@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu  
(Xiaowu Zhu) writes:
> >	Hello netters :
> >	  Never forget, WE ARE FOREIGNERS HERE.
> >
> 
>    Everybody or his ancestor except native Indians is/was foreigners.
> This land is yours, don't be too shy.  This is America, every body
> basicaly has the equal rights, as long as you know how to keep and 
> use it.
> 
>   Don't discriminate yourself.


No! Before you become an American citizen, this country is not yours. After you  
become a U.S. citizen, you should not blame NBC since you are supposed to  
support your own country.

It is true that most of the people here have ancestors from foreign countries,  
but as soon as they settled down here, they regarded themself as Americans.

Take it easy my friend.

Frank 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china