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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Heisman
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:50:20 GMT

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In <7u5PVB1w165w@netlink.cts.com> rcf@netlink.cts.com (Bob Forsythe) writes:

|      I think the easiest way to view this is to consider...if you take 
| Faulk or Hearst and put them on Miami, does Miami become a better team; I 
| think the answer is obvious.

Both are great, but with out good run blocking, and on a passing team like
Miami they both could be just average.  Since Miami is a one back offense
I would like to see you split their time and still highlight both.

| If you put Toretta on San Diego State, does 
| State become a better team? - I think that's highly questionable.  If you 
| put him on Georgia, does Georgia become a better team?  Not a chance; 
| their QB is probably better than Gino. 

Gino said he was not even the best player on Miami.  But he was a leader,
and one of the best leaders in college footballs.  I think Marvin Jones
was the best player in college, but he on defense.  They never let them
win.

| So from that standpoint, he 
| certainly doesn't deserve the award.

Gino had almost twice as many #1 votes as the #2 guy Faulk.  So who does
deserve it.   Football is a team sport, everyone gets help from other
team players.  Also, a very good team win record is required.

|He got it solely because he's a 
| senior and Miami wins most of the time.

26-1 and broke almost every record at Quarter Back U.

| To suggest that the QB ranked 
| 10th in the nation in passing is the "best" player in college football 
| stinks.  Caulk one up for a has-been coach who's fallen into too much 
| power via the air waves.  ESPN and Corso got this one for Gino; he 
| certainly didn't earn it on his own.

| NetLink Online Communications * Public Access in San Diego, CA (619) 453-1115

Oh, San Diego now I got it.  Faulk got hurt,  he is a good player, but the
voters always drop a guy after he gets hurt.  
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: FSU and Miami
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:09:33 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Dec14.142303.24384@mlb.semi.harris.com> dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com writes:
>
>Along the same lines, if you judge who is best between two teams based on
>one game on one day, then clearly Iowa State must be better than Nebraska.
>If Miami is better than FSU for beating them, then anyone who claims this
>to be true is also saying by the same argument that Iowa State is better
>than Nebraska.  Sounds like we need a few straight jackets out there!


Well, sort of, but not quite.  We can look at other factors involving the
Miami/FSU vs. IowaState/Nebraska situations.  One - overall won/lost record.
Obviously in Miami's favor and in Nebraskas.  We can claim that the IowaState
game was a fluke because they didn't play all that well this year.  In Miamis
case, they beat a number of top 10 opponents (PSU, FSU, Arizona, Syracuse,
and hopefully Alabama).  So, we know that beating FSU would not be considered
a "fluke".  A lot of people have been talking about FSU and how great they
are and how "weak" they perceive Miami to be based on a couple of factors.
Mainly... FSU blew out a couple of weak opponents by HUGE margins in it's 
last few games, and that Miami had close games in all of it's BIG games.  
However, what I find confusing is that Miami is criticized, so to speak, for
looking less that omnipotent against the other top 10/25 teams it has faced
yet it is overlooked that FSU has looked less than omnipotent against some of
the teams it has faced as well.  It has been pointed out that FSU had to
come from behind a couple of times and almost lost (especially the GTech game).
And, in the other BIG game, against Miami, people comment on how Miami didn't
look like world beaters, but if that is true, then what can be said about 
FSU??   Miami really only had close games against PSU, FSU, Arizona, and
Syracuse this year.  Those 4 teams represent 4 teams that have spent time in
the top 10, two of which are still there, and 2 others still in the top 25.
Who has kept it very close with FSU??  Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, ???
The #1 team (which FSU lost to) and two other unranked, pretty average teams.
Miami has indeed looked beatable a few times this year.  But they have done
so against the nation's best teams.  FSU has looked beatable this year, and
not always against great teams.  

FSU is a great team, but isn't about time people starting looking at it more
realistically??  What has FSU done to make someone believe that they are 
BETTER than Miami or even Alabama???   
Oh well, flame on..  

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From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: Stanford Cardinal?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:38:23 GMT

In <1gf4a6INNa6o@agate.berkeley.edu> wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell) writes:


>William F. Tell
>UC Berkeley
>"We STILL have more Nobel Laureates than you!"

Yeah, but we have more Supreme Court Justices, so nyah, nah, nah.

Oh, wait!  This is a football newsgroup!  I keep forgetting!  My mistake.
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From: steinse@eng.auburn.edu (Scott E. Steinbrink)
Subject: Re: Sheridan Update
Reply-To: steinse@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:24:35 GMT

In article <1g7csqINN9ac@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, titlow@zephyr.larc.nasa.gov (jay titlow) writes:
>Morning paper here in Hampton Roads is quoting an article in the 
>Atlanta Journal-Constitution that Dick Sheridan has been offered
>a 10-year contract worth $10 million!  That's a lot of cash!
>I was hoping Sheridan would not pick up and go to Auburn, but I'm
>not sure now.  The article also mentioned that Sheridan has contacted
>this year's recruits to let them know he is CONSIDERING the move.
>Anybody in Raleigh with more info????

This rumor has also been heard in Auburn, although I heard it was a ten-year, 
SIX million dollar contract.  Auburn President William Muse has denied this
report, saying that the search has not been concluded for a replacement for 
Pat Dye.

Speaking as a student at Auburn, my thought is as follows:
IF anyone is offered that kind of money, an EXTREMELY loud protest is 
unavoidable.  AU has cut (or at least slated to be cut) over 2000 periodical
subscriptions from the library budget, in order to save $600,000.  To then
turn and offer the new football coach a $600,000 annual salary (which, 
incidentally, is four times what Dye got,) would necessarily and rightly be
seen as gross financial irresponsibility.

I don't know how this rumor got started, but it wouldn't surprise me to learn
that it was begun by some Bama fan trying to make Auburn look bad -- as if 
Auburn needed anyone's help with that.

Scott Steinbrink
WAR BUFFALO!!!!


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From: ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey)
Subject: Re: Centre College (Was Defunct Bowl Games)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:16:09 GMT

Seems like I recall reading about a controversy Centre College was
involved in during those powerhouse days.  Seems they had actual-size
football patches sewn in the front of their jerseys, which confused
opposing teams.  Eventually, they had to take them off.  Anyone else
know anything about this?
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From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Subject: Re: Heisman
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:13:07 GMT

In article <BzC8wo.4u3@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett) writes:
>News-Software: NN 6.4.16
>
>In <1992Dec14.142936.868@cpqhou.compaq.com> chuckd@cpqhou.compaq.com (Chuck Dickson) writes:
>
>| The Heisman is for the best PLAYER, not the best LEADER on a team that would
>| win WITHOUT him.
>
>
>The Heisman is not for the best Player.  They only give it to QB's, RB's and
>WR's.  They should just give the Heisman to the first player taken in the 
>NFL 

ball after the snap.  This includes all of the above, flankers, running
backs, etc.;

Dave

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Subject: Hey PDUNN!!!
From: hou026@marshall.wvnet.edu
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:49:18 -0500
Organization: Marshall University

Hey PDUNN was that you hanging on the goalpost Saturday!!!
What can we say but WAY TO GO HERD!!! What a game!  Too close for sanity.
Party on!
See ya next year,
Southern Conference Girl.
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From: mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Reply-To: mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:03:29 GMT

In article <14DEC199213533166@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>I'm compiling a list of Bowls-that-Were-but-Ain't-no-More, and I need some 
>net.assistance.  I need to find a total of 13 with their locations, and so  
>far I have five and only one location, as follows:
>
>Bowl			Location
>----			--------
>California Raisin	Fresno CA


>Bluebonnet		Housten Texas (Astrodome)




>Tangerine 		I think this now the Florida Citrus Bowl


>Garden State           Would you believe the New Jersey Meadowlands
                        in January




>Cherry                 I believe this was Pontiac Michigan(Silver Dome)



>
>Please post any additions you can come up with.
>
>R Dendy
>
From: ching@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason R Heminger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: How many undisputed heisman trophy winners can you come up with?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 20:54:17 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

	I noticed in the full Heisman trophy winner list that Desmond Howard
only has the letter E in the "notes" category meaning that he is still active,
however, I believe he should also have the C designation because he won it
as a junior.

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From: garbe@smith.phys.ucalgary.ca (Greg Garbe)
Subject: Re: Best Football Names--I-A or I-AA???
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:51:25 GMT
Reply-To: garbe@smith.phys.ucalgary.ca (Greg Garbe)
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada

In article <1992Dec15.145728.7675@infonode.ingr.com>, randall@dap.b29.ingr.com (Randall Shepard) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec14.130208.2712@vitro.com>, mzwick@vitro.com (Morris J. Zwick) writes:
|> |> In article <1992Dec11.204658.10966@athena.cs.uga.edu> varma@athena.cs.uga.edu
|> |> (Pratim Varma) writes:
|> |> >In article <seale.724085822@bcserv> seale@bcserv.wustl.edu (Seale (Jeff))
|> |> writes:
|> |> >>pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
|> |> >>
|> |> >>>A NEW THREAD!!
|> |> >>
|> |> >>>So far we have the following:
|> |> >>
|> |> >>>Orlando Hathcett--Marshall
|> |> >>
|> |> >>>Tank Conner--N. Iowa
|> |> >>
|> |> >>>Add your favorites to the list, football fans!!
|> |> >>
|> |> >>Bingo Mancillas--Texas Tech
|> |> >>
|> |> >>Byron Bam Morris--Texas Tech
|> |> >>
|> |> >>-Jeff (waitin' 'til next year) Seale
|> |> >>
|> |> >>>PDunn
|> |> >
|> |> >Mack Strong  (Fullback at Georgia)
|> |> >
|> |> 
|> |> Ron Reagan, Maryland Safety
|> |> 
|> Horace Morris, Tennessee Defensive Lineman  (Top that one!)

My fav pitch and catch combo was from Washington's 78 Rose Bowl team
	Warren Moon -> Spider Gaines
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Subject: Re: Southern Conference Roll Call
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:14:17 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1992Dec15.175519.19892@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
>Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that this is now the best football league 
>in I-AA?  The Basketball additions will help in that area, too.
>
Yeah! I doubt it in my mind:-)
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Badgers land big-time WR...
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:42:15 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
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Originator: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

Wisconsin football fans got an early christmas present when it was announced
that Tony Simmons, one of the faster WRs in the nation, would be the Badgers
first recruit to join the 1993 class. Simmons, out of Chicago St. Rita, has
been timed at 4.35 in the 40 and was ranked as the third best receiver in
the nation by Tom Lemming.

Simmons made his only campus visit to Wisconsin, skipping chances to visit
UCLA, North Carlolina, Purdue, Illinois, Notre Dame and other schools. "I made
up my mind at the beginning of the season that I wanted to go to Wisconsin,"
Simmons said.

Simmons missed four games of his junior season with a dislocated shoulder, but
caught 36 passes for 628 yards his senior year.

Wisconsin also signed a pair of inside linebackers from the Juco ranks to
replace tackling leaders Gary Casper and Aaron Norvell. Sylas Pratt and Royston
Jones, both from Nassau Community College in Garden City, N.Y., signed on to
transfer Wednesday. Pratt (6-2, 225) will have two years of eligibility left,
while Jones (6-2, 225) will have three.

After seeing the season end on such a shitty note, it's nice to see things
looking up again. If he or any of the WR redshirts from last year pan out,
maybe Duramus will have some company among the league leaders. Of course,
they'll need someone to throw 'em the ball.

So does anybody have any extra info on these recruits?

later,

--salty

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From: mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan)
Subject: Re: RECRUITING: Some Verbal Commitments
Organization: ARCO Oil and Gas Company
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:32:34 GMT

In article <2B321ABA.9448@news.service.uci.edu>,
jayakris@translab.its.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan) writes:
> In article <1992Dec18.154911.12083@Arco.COM> mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM
> (Mike Minihan) writes:
> >Here are some verbal commitments here in mid-Dec. Remember,
> >these are non-binding. These players are tops in their
> >position.
> >
> >                VERBAL COMMITMENTS
> >                ==================
> >
> >PLAYER              POSITION         SCHOOL-COMM
> >------              --------         -----------
> >John Dutton            QB            Texas
> >
> >-- 
> >Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com
> 
> 
>   I couldnt find this guy in the list of top QBs that you had posted
>   earlier. Any info on him ?  Where he is from, how good he is, what
>   size, what kind of QB he is... etc.
> 
>   Jay

BlueChip Illustrated has him First Team All-American. He is from 
Fallbrook, CA. He is: 6-4, 210. He commited two days ago, narrowed
it down between CAL and Texas. Texas won.

-- 

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From: zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Trivia Questions
Keywords: Bear Bryant, SEC, stadium
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:29:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.230425.1655@b11.b11.ingr.com> jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com writes:
>
>  Three questions:
>
>  1.  Today is the 10th anniversary of Coach Bryant's retirement.  We all know he
>      did not beat Notre Dame, but there is one other team (that he faced more
>      than one time) he did not beat.  Who?
>
>  2.  This year the SEC has 12 Schools.  Initially it had 13; 10 of which were
>      the 'original' before this season's expansion.  Who were the 3 who dropped
>      out?
>
>  3.  Who has the oldest on campus stadium (I don't know the answer)?

I think Kyle Field has been around for 70 or so years, although it 
obviously isn't the same stadium.  It is on the same sight, and bears
the same name.  Any Ags out there have any docs on Kyle?

cmuck
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From: SCHMIDT@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jon Schmidt)
Subject: Re: NOTRE DAME IS THE GREATEST
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:32:17 GMT

In article <BzBw2x.MvL@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
brandtch@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Chris Brandt) writes:
>
>Notre Dame will kick Texas A&M's *** in the Cotton Bowl!
>Then we'll listen to the Aggies talk about how they
>should have played someone higher ranked than ND.
>Give Lou Holtz six weeks to prepare for a game and
>he'll come out a winner.
 
HA!  It appears Chris has let the cat out of the bag.  The Cotton
Bowl announced its selection of Notre Dame on Dec 6, less than four
weeks before the game.  If Notre Dame shows up for the game with
six weeks of preparation, then Lou Holtz must have known about the
Cotton Bowl invitation at least two weeks before it was official,
which would surprise me a bit.
 
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Subject: Div I-AA Championship: Marshall vs YoungstownSt
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:02:16 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


Congrats to Marshall and YoungstownSt.   )^@#(@!#$)!@$! that
the UNI Panthers lost.  Rematch of last year's Championship.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Seats to I-AA Championship game reportedly sold out
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:56:38 GMT

A reliable source has just told me that seats to the I-AA championship game
have sold out.  The only seats that remain unsold are the 1,500 that went to
Youngstown.

I assume that SRO tickets will be available.  If anybody wants any, call
1-800-THE-HERD.

PDunn
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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Heisman.. what a farce.. Faulk was screwed
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:15:21 GMT

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| kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
| 
| 
| >Lets consider the 3 'candidates' they took to NY 
| 
| >Torreta:
| 
| >Yes, he's got the stats. 3000+ yds. Bunch of TDs. 7 INTs. But what did
| >he do in the BIG games.
| 
| >        PennSt: 80+ yds

PSU only put 5 men in the box, and put a six man dime package in on defense.
Miami ran the ball, since they were forced to run.

| >	Syracuse: 300+ yds, 0 TDs, 3 INTs

Well does he get any credit for several long passes that were stopped at
inside the 5 yard line. That Miami ran in.  One of the Int's was tipped.
Still he only had 7 INT's all year and 3 were in one game.

| >        FSU: I don't know, but tell you what, I saw that game and
| >             he really stunk up the joint that day. 

Miami had no running game, and FSU does have a great defense.  But, in the
end it was Gino that scored a good pass for to Lamar Thomas.

| >             
| >What a joke. This guy ain't the best QB in the country, let alone best
| >football player. 
| 
| >They keep pointing to his 25-1 record. Why are they including last year's

That's 29-1.  The one loss was to FSU, when he was a back up.

Gino also played through a shoulder seperation that knocked him out of the
FAMU game.  Gino was the leader, he is not even the best player on Miami,
but he was the best leader on the team.  Some how leadership counts.
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From: jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Kilpatrick)
Subject: Trivia Answers
Keywords: Bear, SEC, and Oldest Stadium
Reply-To: jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:31:33 GMT

The answers to my trivia Questions:

 1.  Today is the 10th anniversary of Coach Bryant's retirement.  We all know he
     did not beat Notre Dame, but there is one other team (that he faced more
     than one time) he did not beat.  Who?

  The answer is:  Alabama.  He lost to Bama in 1946 and 47 while at Kentucky

 2.  This year the SEC has 12 Schools.  Initially it had 13; 10 of which were
     the 'original' before this season's expansion.  Who were the 3 who dropped
     out?

       1.  Sewannee University in Sewanne, Tennessee.
           Sewannee resigned from the SEC after the 1940 Season.

       2.  Tulane in New Orleans, Louisiana.
           Tulane resigned from the SEC in 1963.

       3.  Georgia Tech in Atlanta, Georgia.
           Tech resigned from the SEC in 1965.

 3.  Who has the oldest on campus stadium (I don't know the answer)?

  Still don't know.  Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kyle Field and Notre Dame's have been
  mentioned.  Only Kyle Field has been presented with proof to back up their
  claim.
From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Ack thfppt to the fat guy!
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:12:37 GMT
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater

In article <1gi39qINNod0@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
>In <aggie-131292183755@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu> aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu writes:
>
>> In article <lJS=dhC@engin.umich.edu>, hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
>> wrote:
>>
>
>[Heisman winners teams do bad in bowl games. ex: Desmond Howard]
> 

>  I dunno about '86, but...
>
>  Barry Sanders (88) -- I have no idea. (beat A&M in regular season)

				Beat Wyoming in a big bad way at the
				Holiday bowl.  Intrestingly he
				won the heisman at like 4 am
				Japan time where they were the
				night before the bowl game.  So
				most of the team was playing on
				like 3 hours sleep.  Of course
				that didn't stop Barry from rolling
				up 300 some odd yards.

>  Andre Ware    (89) -- UH was on probation, no bowl (lost to A&M, in regular 
>			season)


				It is nice to think of Gino as the
				next Vinnie Testaverde.

Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
ps. peace
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