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From: U59767@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Wang, Yifu won the forth gold medal for China
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:24:15 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Wang Yifu won a gold medal in men's pistol today.
This is his second medal in three days.
He also won a siver medal on Sunday.
From: jan@cs.uq.oz.au (Chen Jan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: 25 Jul 92 02:19:50 GMT
Reply-To: jan@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1992Jul24.041405.21803@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:

>In article <1992Jul23.221102.323@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>>
>......
>>
>>I strongly encourage everyone from mainland to discontinue their subscription
>>with Time. This is America man and money talks! Let's hurt Time where it really
>>counts.  
>>
>I support you. I'll switch from Time to Newsweek. 

I've done that last year. (Well, I don't know whether Newsweek publishes
in Australia. I turned to a local one.)

When there were about 200 million people in China affected by flood last
year, there was no mention in TIME (Australia edition). That was the reason
I stoped my subscription.

Anyway, I don't expect too much from western media, especially on
information about China. I read mags and newsps from mainland, taiwan,
HK, as well as western countries, then make my own judgements.

Anyone wants to discuss reading Chinese publications overseas?

>>-Ziping Zhang
>>Purdue

>Tingli Pan

Chen Jian
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yjj@prometheus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang)
Subject: Re: 79 war against Vietnam (Re: No Dogs or Chinese)
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:55:41 GMT
X-Posted-From: prometheus.ctr.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Jul27.201427.26259@rigel.econ.uga.edu> jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.192236.1@cc.utah.edu> danjiong@cc.utah.edu writes:
>>The ultimate goals of 79's invasion, from my understanding, were 
>>
>>     1). to punish Vietnam's betrayal behavior ( sided with Russian) 
>>
>>     2). to prevent the falling of Pol Pot's regime, the bloodiest
>...
>>     Therefore, That was a war about the Face. 
>....
>>     Did the action accomplish its goal ? I doubted. The war did not
>.....
>
>I thought the war was to establish Deng Xiaoping himself as the
>leader of China and to get rid of Great Leader Chairman Hua. They
>did accomplished that goal, for their credit. 

He took over Hua position already then.  The main goal was to take
over the PLA -- promote his men and remove rivals.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:24:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.004703.25621@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:

|>        At least Chinese team did not carry HIV to Olympia, U.S.'s did.
|>        U.S.'s gym team is as young as China's Diving Team. NBC were trying to 
|>   portraying China's atheletes the way you describe! That is Americans'
|>    sour_grape mentality! 

I can't say that I find it surprising that country which practically bans
sexuality and whose citizens have hardly any contact with the outside world
isn't bringing AIDs to the olympics.

I think we should admire the absence of HIV in the Communist Chinese Olympic
team. We should also note that some of the measures taken to prevent HIV are
done on a voluntary basis. After all, we Americans don't have the courage to
drown all of our female children. This voluntary action by Chineese parents
should be parised. Why, in a few decades, there will hardly be any women left,
thus dramatically cutting down on sex, thus preventing one of the primary
routes for the spread of aids.

Jason W. Solinsky
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liang@cs.scarolina.edu (Da Dong Liang)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:34:27 GMT

utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:

>In article <keR53Te00Uh_04qZJc@andrew.cmu.edu> lb40+@andrew.cmu.edu (Liping Bu) writes:
>>It's not just a qustion of 60 swimming pools. It has more to do with
>>journalism itself. Where is the objectivity and professionalism that
>>journalists are supposed to have? The article deteriatated from
>>reporting truth into a second-rate propaganda.I would suggest that Time
>>make formal apology for its mistake. 

>At least, sports should be separated with politics. I always thought
>China or USSR didn't do that. Seems I was wrong.

Do you think sports is separated with politics in US? Did you see that 
every time an American wins a gold medal the media give tones of propaganda
to stir up American patriotism? If you think that is not politics, then what
is politics? Don't be naive, dude.

>Tingli Pan  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: D61O@br2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de (One of 100 millions ZHANGs)
Subject: Re: Mao vs. Deng (Re: incident)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:49:46 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20
Organization: Technical University Darmstadt, Germany

In <1992Jul22.140528.25906@dsg.tandem.com> leung@DSG.Tandem.COM writes:

< "Qian1 Qiu1 Gong1 Zui4, Shui2 Ren2 Ceng2 Yu2 Ping2 Shuo1."
                                                     *****

Hmmmmm. The sound doesn't match the rhyme. Should be spoken as Shui4.
But there are lots of poets on the net. Perhaps they know it better.

< 
< 						- Mao
< 
< Steven
< ------
< 328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
< 	- Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
< 

======================================================================
J.Z.
d61o@br2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de
From: echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: [Olympics] FU Mingxia Won Gold / Medals Standings & Details
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:59:31 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs


	Looks like we can settle the TIME 60 swiming pool issue now.  
Fu won gold and Kin, the girl featured on TIME cover, fell...  :-)


    Eddie
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:20727 soc.culture.soviet:6225
From: tedrick@triangle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Mao vs. Deng (keeping China communist 100 years!)
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:37:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: triangle.berkeley.edu

->>No, Mao is NOT a destruction oriented person. Mao established a 
->>country, which is called "New China". 

->There is some problem here, if Mao did not destroy the "Old China", 
->how could he establish the "New China"?

Well, in order to destroy the Old China, the communists need to destroy
all living memory of Chinese culture. This will take about 100 years,
until most everyone who was alive before Mao seized power is dead, and
all racial memory of the Old China is gone, breaking forever the 
cultural link between the new Chinese people and the old pre-communist 
Chinese. Then the communists can spread any propaganda they want about
how terrible the Old China was, and there will be noone alive able to 
refute their lies with firsthand experience.

The great mistake of the Soviet Union was in not holding on just a
few years longer, so that the old Russian culture would be completely
forgotten. They did do an excellent job though, in erasing almost
completely the racial memory of the Russian people accumulated during
1000 years of Russian history.

->Mao knew how to kill millions of people ...

Yes, but his great work of destroying thousands of years of Chinese
cultural development and erasing thousands of years of Chinese history 
is still only partly accomplished. But the New China is already visible
as a shining mirage, just over the horizon.

-- 
"In 1757 the Russians advanced into Prussia. They hung innocent inhabitants from
trees, ripped open their bodies and tore out their hearts, cut off their noses
and ears, broke their legs, fired villages, drove villagers into the flames,
stripped clergy naked and laid them on blazing fires, opened the graves ..."
From: zhun@ace.rutgers.edu (George nZHU)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Am I still eligible for President's order if I apply for
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:51:28 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Hi there.  I have posted questions on the net.  A couple of people
replied to me with a rather new information which I would like to
check out.
I came to this country in 1987, I have never went back to China since
then.  I am thinking to make a trip to China before I graduate and
have applied for an Advanced Parole.  However, I were denied by local
INS with the reason that I didn't show an emergency reason to go to
China. So I am thinking to go to China without having a AP.  In that
case I will have to apply for a F-1 visa in Beijing.  I wonder if I
apply for a new F-1, does this affect my currect status in US.  In
another words, am I still eligible for the protection under Busch's
executive order if I apply for a new F-1 in Beijing in order to come
back to US.
Thank you all in advance.




 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: NBC DIVING COMMENTARY: ABSURD
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:49:03 GMT

>	During the mens springboard diving competition yesterday (29 jul)
>a comment was made by the woman commentrator on NBC (i forget her name),
>referring to the Chinese diver who finished second.
>
>	During one of his dives she said :"He is the most WESTERNIZED 
>among the chinese (or other divers i dont know) divers ; HE LAUGHS
>AND SMILES A LOT"

   I don't know how I got westernlized, even before I knew anything
about the WEST.   :-{.

>	In my view i cannot make sense of the necessity of this comment;
>leave alone its offensiveness to some part of the human race.  I think
>that most sensible people who have a reasonably good knowledge of the
>behaviour of athletes of nations other than the USA,  will disregard this
>comment as either
>
>1. utterly foolish.
>2. not worth considering since the speaker must have lived in her own
>   well.
>3. she must be kidding.
>4. .......
>
>	What i see is the effect it will have on persons in the USA who
>have not met persons from other nationalities (this is least possible
>in the US, a land of immigrants); but i refer possible persons
> who may not have.
>
>	This certainly puts wrong impressions in peoples mind though any
>sane person will find it most esoteric as to what the relation between
>being "westernized" and "smiling a lot" is. beats me.
>
>Ravi.
From: liang@optima.UUCP (Song Liang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Who_care_what_you_think?
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:08:20 GMT

From article <9207292236.AA07751@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu>, by xzhu@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu (Xiaowu Zhu):
> 
> 	Hello netters :
> 	  I kept on reading articles in this news group about Olympic
> 	  games. A lot of complaints, a lot of unsatisfactions on 
> 	  how NBC reported the games on TV. 
> 	  Who care it ?
> 	  Who care what you think about their reports ?
> 	  Here is America, not China. Americans only are interested in
> 	  their victories in Olympic games. Why should they spend time
> 	  watching other countries' victories in the games ?
> 	  Nobody invites you to come here. You can see what you want
> 	  to see about the Olympic games on TV in your (our) own
> 	  country. Why are you(we) here in America ?
> 	  Americans --- the people of this country have right to see
> 	  what they want to see on TV in their own country.
> 	  Never forget, WE ARE FOREIGNERS HERE.

    No, I can't agree here.  
    Why are we in the U.S?  U.S is supposed to be a free country, isn't
it?  Yes, we are foreigners, but everyone in this country has his/her
right to speak out.  You have to protect your own rights, your own image.
This is in America, where if you don't oppose, you acquiesce; where if you
don't claim you are right, you are wrong.  

    Actually, not only we feel bad about the commentators' comments and
NBC's coverage, many Americans also feel degraded by NBC's work (many 
articles posted in rec.sport.olympic showed this), they feel ashamed
that only American players appear to be heroes, while all other foreign
players are depicted as second-rank players. 


Song
From: PXW10@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: WANTED: Chinese Olympic Team Schedule
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:54:00 GMT

Could someone provide the Schedule of Chinese Olympic Team on SCC, so we
will not watch Olympic Games in the dark?
Thanks a lot.

Peter
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: NBC failure
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:35:00 GMT


          I surprisingly found that across all reports on Olympic, the
          NBC pictures are totally americanized.  One rarely sees a
          foreign face on the screen at all.

          And this is consistant, so apparently it is a ji4 ding4
          fang1 zhen1 they have.

          This reminds me of the ge2 ming4 yang4 ban3 xi4 in which the
          heros are always perfect and the enimies are basicly
          not worth mentioning.

          I am glad the gang of four have found their chuan2 ren2 in
          the U.S.

          But when the enemies are trashy, the good guys don't look
          that glorious either.  A smart guy knows to show how strong
          the ememy is -- in order to show how strong he is.  The Gang
          of 4 at NBC needs to learn that.

          I want to specifically point out the lady who commnented on 
          Mr. Tan Liangde's performance.  When Mark L. did his dive,
          and it was Tan's turn, she said, rudely:  
             
              "I don't know that Tan can do this good."

          Two seconds later, Tan shuttered her prediction with a much
          better dive -- the NBC didn't report the the score, for
          good reasons.

          I want to say that Americans in general are not that
          arrogant, tho.  The folks in my class said they didn't like
          the NBC way of covering the game.

          A strong point in NBC coverage is that it always gives you
          some background story, some little sentimental thing.  This
          is smart.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz)
Subject: Re: Give Me a Break: China to Buy Ford Tempos from U.S. (Re: China News)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 00:10:39 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Summary: Cars of absolute glory.  NOT!


Watch out for those glorious brakes!  I almost got killed in a rented Tempo by
doing a 360 in the middle of Interstate 5 when the brakes failed.  Fortunately,
I was out in the middle of nowhere...

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Greg Kemnitz                        | "I ran out of the room - I
MultiMedia Information Systems Inc. | didn't want to be killed by a pile
kemnitz@netcom.com                  | of VMS manuals" :-)
                                    |
                                    | --A friend at DEC Palo Alto in the Quake
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: National Pride and Personal Commitment
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:11:35 GMT

In article <2850@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord  
Automato) writes:
> 
> In the past few days, we saw Chinese winning a lot of gold medals in 
> the Olympic Games, every Chinese in SCC here seems to have united 
> in spirit and sharing the same pride. Unfortunately, when all these
> finish, SCCers would once again fight against each other. It is sad.
> 
> As one netter mentioned, he(she) felt that he(she) could stand tall on
> the streets and feel good being a Chinese. I can understand that. It is
> amazing to look at what fellow countrymen have done for China. Can this
> only be done through sports, through mathematics olympiad? How about
> building up a democratic and free China? Shouldn't this make us even
> prouder? Let's not talking about politics, I would ask how much of the
> SCCers here would like to go back to China and make their contributions?
> Li Zheng Dao and Yang Zhen Ning got Nobel Prize under US, their contributions
> come under US in history; Qiu Cheng Tong obtained a Field Medal as a member
> of the US. Could China ever produce these top class physicists and
> mathematicians in China? Or do we have to seek pride from the work of our
> fellow countrymen at home? How committed are we to build a better China so
> that our fellow countrymen could show their pride?
> 
> Lin Can
> =========================================================================
> ..-- .... --- . ...- . .-. -.. . -.-. --- -.. . -.. - .... .. ...
> --. . - ... -. --- - .... .. -. --.   .-.. .. -. -.-. .... .- -.
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>  
You are right! I found some (or even many) SScers are opportunists. They prefer  
material possession much more. Commitment sometimes means abandoning material  
possession. They will never do it. It is really sad.

Carl
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IFCSS HQ Special Report 4019: Phone Number of All Congressmen
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:16:50 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.china
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

This kind of posting should be in talk.politics.china only.  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhong@cs.dal.ca (Yong Zhong)
Subject: Re: Possible Chinese Medalists in Barcelona
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: dal
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:34:56 GMT


Article 777 of rec.sport.olympics:
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Subject: Re: Mao vs. Deng (Re: incident)
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 27 Jul 1992 03:37:07 GMT

In article <2A6CE520.5911@noiro.acs.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>first of all, let's get some basic questioned cleared:
>
>	1. How many ways out there people can use to make money?

More than one can count.

>	2. is Deng Xiaoping's way the best (among those tradional ways of
>	   money making)?
No.

>	3. Without Deng Xiaoping, will China be runied?
Certainly not.

>        4. is it true that people cannot make money until they compromise
>	   their XinNian (belief)?
Depends on what kind of Xin Nian they have.

>	5. Without Chairman Mao, how will today's China be?
Much better.

>	6. Let's take Shannon Yeh as an example.  Some people said that 
>	   Shannon Yeh was conservative; some others said that Shannon Yeh 
>	   is an ultra-leftist.  Regardless these staements are true or false,
>	   is it true that:
>		6.1  Deng Xiaoping are more open minded than Yeh?
>		6.2  Deng Xiaoping understands how to make money much more 
>		     than Yeh does?

Since Deng doesn't post to SCC, it is hard to tell. Don't trust what
newspaper says.

Chou1

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yjj@prometheus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang)
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang won gold medal
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:18:51 GMT
X-Posted-From: prometheus.ctr.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <2814@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.135316.9138@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, yidao@cae.wisc.edu (Yidao Cai) writes:
>|> 
>|> 	"Both Zhuang and Lin (Li, netter) are large, muscular swimmers with 
>|> deep vioces and acne on their backs, characteristics of steroid abuse."
>|> 
>|> So it is obvious what they mean is that the gold and silver medals are due to
>|> the drugs ! 
>
>Maybe they can sue the hell out of US Sunday.
>
>Lin Can

Most Americans may not good in telling male from female Asians, but
you should have the problem to tell a Chinese woman from a man.

When I turned on the TV in the middle of the 400 women IM metal ceremarny,
I eyes naturally focused on the Asian (Lin Li) first.  Oh, it's a man.
It must be a man's event.  But wait a second, the gold and bronze metalists
were all women.  I was confused for a long while until the TV displayed
the name "Lin Li."  I've not had a chance to see Zhuang Yong yet and
do not know how muscular she is.

Lin Li is a breast-stroke swimmer.  But her muscles and body definitely do
not look like a breast-stroke swimmer.  When you see Ben Johnson, you
know that his muscle is not a spinter's muscle.  He looked like a
body builder.
From: D61O@br2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de (One of 100 millions ZHANGs)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese divers' secret
Date: 31 Jul 92 13:50:39 GMT
Organization: Technical University Darmstadt, Germany
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Jul31.045211.9108@ctr.columbia.edu> yjj@janus.ctr.columbia.edu writes:

< Chinese divers are very good.  I think their gymnastic background
< and their relative small figures are all important factors.  I read
< a few years ago that Chinese team had a very good technique to
< suppress the water splash.  Does any one know how that technique
< works?

	Then you can sell it to the Americans?

======================================================================
J.Z.
d61o@br2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shanwang@sara.cc.utu.fi
Subject: Re: Qiong2 Yao2's book
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:39:43 EET

>In article <9207231916.AA04486@phloem.uoregon.edu>, Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>> 
>>           I have not read any of QY's books but I did have a chance to
>>           see a TV serie called "Yan1 Yu3 Meng2 Meng2" by her. 
>> 
>>           I was so moved that I almost cried in some part of it.  I
>>           think she is great.  Her figues in that movie are believable
>>           and lively.  
>> 
>>           She has another book called "ji3 du4 xi1 yang2 hong2," which
>>           has the profound sense of history.  And it comes from the
>>           beginning statement of 3 Guo:
>> 
>>               "jiang1 shan1 yi1 jiu4 zai4
>>               ji3 du4 xi1 yang2 hong."
>> 
>>           (The earth still rotates, although sometimes we miss the
>>           sun).
>> 
>>           By the way, is Gone with Wind by women?  It is among the
>>           best books I have ever read.
>> 
>
>	Yeah, << Gone with Wind >> is realy a good book for such a long
>	time. But how about the recent new best sellers ?
>
>	Among those there are also some high quality stuffs.
>
>	I also don't advocate San1 Mao2's book. In her heart she is a  brave
>	man. ( Nobody agree with me ) If you realy look at all the thing she 
>        ^^^^
>	do. I think you should change your mind a little:)
>
>	But anyhow San1 Mao2 is a female author.
>
>	The lyrics on the top is realy in depress style. Hope it is not so.
>
>	Stand up, friend:)
>
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	You don't know the truth, Every thing I do, I do it for you ...

				From Movie << Robinson >>

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>
>	Well ... 
>	
>	Sorry I won't continue, my Boss is coming ...
>
>	W.S. from Pc
>