HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: frankie@osc.edu (Frankie Harris)
Subject: Thanks for Travel Advice
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:21:57 GMT


I want to thank everyone who responded to my frantic inquiry on how to
survive a 4-1/2 hour flight with a one-year old. All of your advice 
gave me new insights and helped make our vacation wonderful. 

A few hints that worked especially well: 

1. Asking the folks in California to provide (borrow or rent) large items, 
such as a high chair, stroller, portable crib, car seat, etc. We actually 
ended up taking our own portable crib which worked out well because Lindsay 
was use to it and didn't miss a wink of shut eye the whole trip. I thought 
she'd have some anxiety about being in a different environment, room, etc., 
but she didn't. She probably figured I was feeling enough anxiety for all 
three of us so why bother.

2. Having the bulkhead seats. Since Lindsay goes to bed between 7:30 p.m. and 
8:00 p.m. and our flight didn't leave until 6:00 p.m., I knew we'd have
a sleepy=cranky baby on our hands. The extra floor space (padded with      
several blankets, of course) doubled as a bed. Since there were three seats
in our row and one was vacant, we used the floor space below that one to
lay her down. She slept on her tummy 3+ hours both ways. Me, on the other
hand...  I know some people don't like the bulkhead because you can't store
things under your seat, but I did. I had a small purse and a small diaper bag
filled with essentials. Both fit under our seats. 

Thanks again. Oh, and by the way, I have another trip coming up in about 
three weeks. This one's *without* Lindsay; my husband and I are going to
the Seattle/Portland area for about a week. This will be a *real* vacation.
Any advice on ways to prepare my one-year old (and myself) for this 
departure? It will be the first time we've ever been separated. Comments 
welcome!

Frankie
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 22 Jul 1992 16:26:04 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's view of children (and adults)

Hillary Clinton is a man?  my, i never considered her to be
so butch that one could make that mistake...

could someone post similiar quotes from the Q'uran?  after all,
if we're going to get the opinions of deities, perhaps we need
a more random sample...

                                     -ailsa
It's not what you got, it's what you give           _______________
It ain't the life you want, it's the life you live. \    DYKE    /
It's not what you got, it's what you give             \ PRIDE! /
And it ain't what it's not, but what it is.             \    /
(IO81409@maine.maine.edu or wang.com!ailanth!ailsa)       \/
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Cute things they say (27 YO)
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:41:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.195539.16746@afit.af.mil> mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault) writes:
>
>Little Boy Blue come blow your horn
>The sheep's in the meadow, the cow's in the corn
>Oh where's the little boy who looks after the sheep?
>He's out picking flowers for Little Bo Peep.

(That one has some off-color variants, as well.)

Then there's the L.A. Piggies, which Ellen made up for Sarah:

"This little piggy went to the mall;
This little piggy stayed in the Jacuzzi;
This little piggy had sushi;
This littl piggy was on a juice fast;
And this little piggy said "Fer sure, fer sure, fer sure!"
all the way back to the Valley."

I made up a much more cynical one, which I'll probably save for
Sarah's 18th birthday.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Pregnancy Worries (WAS: Re: Waking up at night)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:13:26 GMT

In article <TIGGER.92Jul21132922@satyr.Sylvan.COM> tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes:
>In article <1992Jul19.031520.24996@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>
>   In article <168283AE3.M16585@mwvm.mitre.org> M16585@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>   >In regards to the breastmilk---We stored in both glass bottles(baby bottles)
>   >and in playtex disposables, used the whole thing, liner-bottle-nipple-etc.
>
>   I hate to be vague, but - I remember when I was freezing breast milk, several
>   sources said not to store breast milk in glass bottles. It had something to do
>   with the antibodies sticking to the glass. I used plastic bottles.	
>   > 
>
>Sheesh, and guess what I heard: plastic is much more porous than
>glass, so that various nutrients, etc, will be more likely to decay
>from being stored in plastic bottles (is what I heard). This is
>especially true for the plastic disposible bags.
>
>Glass is pretty inert, that's why chemists use it. Anyone ever do the
>experiment in school with a plastic bag and dye? We put something (I
>forget what, it made a kind of gel) inside the bag, and sealed it and
>immersed it into some water with food coloring in it. Sure enough, the
>food coloring got into the bag (I forget how long it took, I'd guess
>some hours or days).
>

Well, then I will get more specific. I could only fine one reference, but
when I was breast feeding, I saw this in numerous pamphlets, books, etc. 
Anyway "What to Expect the First Year", page 95:

  "... Because disease-fighting white blood cells in mother's milk have
   been shown to cling more to glass then plastic."

Anyway, if you read what I originally wrote, I didnt mention anything about
decay. My original post was talking about the antibodies. While, I dont doubt
Tiggers point, but that is probably one of the reasons why there is
a limit to how long you can store breast milk. I advise Tigger and anyone
else who may be considering using glass bottles to check this out. If the
anti-bodies do not survive the storage then there is not that much point to
going through all the trouble of expressing and storing the breast milk.

Laura Floom

>
>
>-- 
>
>Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
>tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92
>=======================
>I'm a mammal and proud of it!
>
>4 month old Robin weighed 17.5 lbs, 25.5 inches tall, solely breastfed
>by 'supermomcow' :-)


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Suing Doctors (was Re: Use of drugs...)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 18:57:53 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

In article <3954@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us>, peggy@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us 
writes:
> My midwife has a generous view on this which I think is worth mentioning.
> She said that you couldn't really blame people for suing doctors,
> since medical costs in the USA are so high.  Suing is often the
> only way to pay the new doctors!  Especially, she said, with a newborn
> who has problems, because medical costs could go on for the rest of
> their lives, which could obviously be a pretty long time.
> 
> That's a generous opinion, I think, because she has to pay exhorbitant
> malpractice insurance, and she could just gripe about it, but she
> is more understanding.

Very generous, considering that the doctor owned insurance companies in the 
DC area just tried to put midwives out of business by putting a surcharge on 
certified nurse midwives' malpractice insurance.  It almost shut down the 
entire industry in DC.  The real flame about this is that Washington DC has 
one of the highest infant mortality rates in the country, oftentimes due to 
drug addiction and/or no prenatal care.  Midwives offer a cheaper 
alternative.  To try to shut it down because of a possible loss of business 
is totally irresponsible.  Luckily, the courts struck down the surcharge.

Unfortunately, the metro DC insurance companies have decided to no longer 
cover home births.  The possible rationale is that now that hospitals are 
offering "birthing inns", the only "edge" a nurse midwife has is that she can 
deliver in the home, since a free standing birth center is often thought of 
as being the same as a hospital.  It is, in fact, true that if there are 
complications, it is probably better to be in a hospital birthing inn.  But 
the section rate, episiotomy rate, and other intervention rates are about the 
same in the birthing inn as in the rest of the hospital.  Unfortunately, most 
people don't know that, and choose the OB over the midwife since midwives can 
no longer deliver babies at home in the DC area.  Of course, this is absurd 
when you consider that the rate of complications for both mother and baby is 
lower in home births than in hospital births, and the aggregate cost of 
outside the hospital births are much less.

Go figure!
From: michelle@cs.utk.edu (Michelle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Protein Traces in Urine
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:33:56 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu

	Just had a check up today and this month (as last month) protein
is showing up in my urine.  They didn't say anything about it, but I
figure it probably shouldn't be there, and last time all she said was
to drink more liquids.

	Is this all I really need to do?  Should I be worried about this?
I feel like I drink like a fish as it is. . . god knows I go to the bathroom
enough.  

	Thanks for the help!

Michelle
From: fowler@esmlsun.gatech.edu (c. b. fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's view of children (and adults)
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:34:06 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

In article <1992Jul28.190759.27347@ico.isc.com> carnes@ico.isc.com (Steve Carnes) writes:
>Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Boulder CO
                                     -----^

>        fowler@esmlsun.gatech.edu (c. b. fowler) writes:
>>Whenever this arises, seek advice from those more knowledgeable.  You can
>>even ask Him directly.

>Or Her.
>-- 
>Steve Carnes       carnes@ico.isc.com        uucp: {ncar,nbires}!ico!carnes
>   "Rock gives reality to the otherwise abstract notion of transhuman
>    time." - Edward Abbey

The air must be getting a little bit thin up there, eh, Steve?
Let me know if She ever gives you an answer.

c. b. fowler  gtri/esml
fowler@esmlsun.gatech.edu -\
cf6@prism.gatech.edu        |-- Pick one
CFOWLER@GTRI01            -/
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: Presents for 7-10 y.o. boys
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:08:29 GMT
Summary: LEGOS, TECHNICS


A popular gift with my son's friends is a LEGO kit.
They have many varieties from $3 and up.  They're
not too frustrating to put together, the result
(and also the all-important picture-on-the-box)
is "cool" (lots of vehicles and spaceships, etc.),
and the pieces can be rebuilt to make other creations.
(This also eliminates the fear of duplication --
it's impossible to have too many LEGOs.)

As the boys get a little older, the TECHNICs LEGO
bricks are really cool.  They have lots of little
plastic gears and cogs, so that the creations have
a lot of movement, and look even more High Tech.
The Technics come in kit form, too.

(Actually, the "Basic Sets" are the better buys, with 
more pieces for your money, but the packages aren't
as exciting, and lack the grabby names like "Speedway Bandit".
And the kits do tend to come with a couple of
"specialty" bricks that aren't in the Basic Sets)
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
From: cfaks@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Alice Sanders)
Subject: Re: Blood types - Mother&Father
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:04:13 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

This is slightly off the subject, but my interest has been piqued by this
thread.  From where does a child get his/her blood-type?  I mean both the
A,B,0, AB stuff and the +/- factor as well?  Does it come from a specific
parent, for instance?

Alice
From: donna@vogon.att.com (Donna J. Dixon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pre Conception Books
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:13:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

From article <Bs1z95.M6u@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, by khare@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Kathy Hare - DCS):
> Hello to all you parents out there. I have been reading this news 
> group for a while but this is the first time I've had a reason to
> post.
>  
> My husband and I have decided to start our family. We want to start
> trying in January. What I'm wondering is, does anyone know of a good 
> book on preconception that I should read. It would also help if you
> knew if it was available in Canada. Or if you have any advice to pass
> along it would be most appreciated.
>
  I read various articles on the best way to conceive after having
  difficulty doing so following a miscarriage.  We had conceived 
  rather fast (3 mos.) with our first child, so I wasn't expecting
  it to take up to a year the second time around.  Here are some
  things I learned about conceiving from my doctor and articles:

  1.  We began using an ovulation kit to determine when I was
      ovulating.  Once you have determined when are ovulating, or
      are guessing without a kit, don't have sex numerous times.`
      After the first time, it will take the male 24-36 hours to 
      build up enough sperm to make it significant to have a chance
      to reach the egg.

  2.  Have sex in the missionary postion to increas the chance of the
      sperm making it to the egg.

  3.  Lay flat on your back after sex with a pillow under your buttock
      and your legs bent for 40 minutes to assist the sperm in its
      journey.

  4.  Don't consume alcohol before sex as it will impede the sperms
      efficiency.

  5.  Males may have a problem with their body temperature being too
      high if they have just taken a hot shower before intercourse or
      if their underwear is too tight.  Sometimes men switch to boxer
      shorts if several months have gone by and the woman hasn't
      conceived yet.

  





  They say that after trying for a year, you should go into for testing
  if you aren't pregnant yet.  I would suggest using the ovulation kits
  after 6 months or you can start using them right away.  It does get
  expensive though at about 25.00 a kit.  Most women ovulate anywhere
  from 12-16 days counting from the start of their last period with
  14 days being the most common.


-- 
--
Donna J. Dixon
Naperville, Illinois
{ ...!att!vogon!donna, donna@vogon.att.com }
From: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Discussing religion in misc.kids (Was: Re: God's Family Values)
Keywords: sarcasm, seriousness
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:21:55 GMT
Reply-To: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Software Technology Research Lab, Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Jul31.155235.9202@ttinews.tti.com>, reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:

|> >On a serious note: I think that we can get along.  I would also hope that
|> >each side of any issue can be _discussed_ in this forum without resorting
|> >to personal _attack_.  We're all adults, remember?
|> 
|> You have apparently been reading a different misc.kids.

No.  I was under the impression that this group was a forum for discussing
issues related to kids.  Not, however, a forum for _being_ kids.

|> >Religion, for those of use that choose to practice, is an integral part of
|> >life.  I feel that it is an interesting and important part of this mix, 
|> >just as the homosexual, athiest, single, jewish, person-of-color, democratic,
|>              ^^^^^^^^^^
|> A good example.  Try stating that it's fine for homsexuals to be parents
|> and teachers, and see how much understanding and tolerance you get.

I can tolerate it if someone posts to this group.  I personally wouldn't
agree with the viewpoint.  I wouldn't flame the person for posting it.
I also wouldn't suggest that they not post it because it makes me feel
uncomfortable or brings up certain negative emotions.  If it's related
to a discussion about children, then this is the forum in which to discuss
it.  Period.

|> I agree whole-heartedly with everything you've said.  I'd love to see
|> reasonable discussion.  I'd love to see tolerance and understanding.  I
|> just haven't seen much of those when the topic of religion had come
|> up, and I'm not optimistic.  If you think you can get us all to do
|> better, more power to you.

I don't think that I can.  I _know_ that everyone can choose to, however.
misc.kidders, the choice is yours.

-- 
Steven (sjk@strl.labs.tek.com)

"Sometimes if you have a cappuccino and then try again it will work OK."
(Dr. Brian Reid)  "Sometimes one cappuccino isn't enough." (Marcus Ranum)
"A double vanilla latte always works."  (Me)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: leeba@mot.com (Leeba Salzman)
Subject: Leave it to the Professionals? (Was Re: Hillary Clinton - Family Values?)
Reply-To: leeba@mcil.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Communications Israel Ltd., Tel Aviv
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 04:32:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.142432.6219@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com> dan@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com (Dan Breslau) writes:
>iuc.edu> <1992Jul27.153610.5386@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com> <Bs31C4.4Bv@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
>Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:24:32 GMT
>
>[This will have to be my last post on the subject. I have to much to
>do here, and even my "own time" is limited...]
>
>slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer) writes:
>
>>dan@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com (Dan Breslau) writes:
>
>>>slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer) writes:
>
>>You will be the last resort.  But not you alone.  
>>Abuse only works when it is hidden.  Gather friends and neighbors.
>>Take the man (or woman) out for a quiet discussion with five or six
>>neighbors.  Social pressure has to be brought to bear.  Do the same
>>with the spouse.  If you hear screaming next door, grab a couple
>>neighbors, walk over, knock on the door, and ask if they need help.
>>Don't leave.  Sit on the sidewalk and stare at the house.  Don't let
>>it remain hidden.  Don't ostracize the abusive parent(s), just make
>>them realize that everyone knows what's going on, everyone wants
>>it to stop, and everyone will keep offering help until it does.
>>...
>...
>
>OK, I'm a gutless wonder.  I have an allergic reaction to bullets.  If
>I have good reason to fear 'Mr. Jones' may have a gun, as my friends
>experienced, I'm probably going to ask the paid professionals to intervene
>(as they did) rather than try to do it myself.
>
I think the point has been made many times in the past that the "paid 
professionals" sometimes are untrained professionals.  Perhaps what we need
to push for is more rigorous criteria for social services workers- education,
training, credentials, and most importantly ACCOUNTABILITY!

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: escr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (elizabeth)
Subject: practical (and cheap!) baby gifts for new mom
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:48:52 GMT

I hope this isn't a FAQ (if it is I'm sure someone will tell me :))

I have a friend who's going to have her first baby on, about, before
of after august 17th :). I just know that she's going to be innundated
with cute little bears and such so I'd like to hear from all you old
hand parents. What's a practical  (and cheap remember I'm a poor college
student) gift that you would have loved to have gotten as a first time
parent? I would prefer e-mail replies since I don't get a chance to log
in here as often as I'd like to...

If this is a FAQ, will someone please tell me where I can find this
information? Thanks.

Elizabeth Ruby (escr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu)
From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: helping kids fall asleep
Date: 24 Jul 92 05:56:19 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel) writes:

>In article <16995@ulysses.att.com>, smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes...
>>Any suggestions on how to help a child (just about 3) fall asleep?
>
>Our kids (2 & 4) keep coming downstairs after they've been put to bed. A few 
>nights ago we sent one to sleep by screening an instructional video on how 
>to use a garden composter.
>
>Andrew

Oh, god, that's great!  Can I get a copy?  Acually my father-in-law was
watching "visual golf" or something and that worked too.

Anway, as far as suggestions, I've got 'em!  My boys are almost three
and five, and we seem to go through this cycle over and over:  everything's
fine for a while, then they start getting noisier and harder to get to sleep,
then they start coming out more, then we can't stand it anymore and we crack
down, then everything's fine for a little while....

Right now we're just after a crackdown.  They were playing after they were
supposed to be in bed, going to the bathroom a bejillion times, making
us really mad, and it couldn't have made them feel that good either.  So
I got a special box of cookies and cut the front off (they're those French
ones with chocolate on top and there's a knight on the box).  When we
put them to bed, after all teh songs, stories, bathroom trips, we say,
"I hope you guys can stay quietly in your beds, so you won't lose your
Black Night!"

It is really too easy.  If they come out or call (except emergencies I guess)
or make so much noise we get fed up (I never said it was objective!), we
move the Black Knight to the door.  Once more and he's outta there.  The
assumption is that if they keep the Black Knight, they'll get to have the
cookies the next day, but in practice the sign is enough and they usually
forget the cookie.  You have to absolutely follow the rules, though -- no
exceptions.  I think they had no slip-ups the first night, then lost theire
chances the next few until they saw we meant it, and we've been doing
great since then.

Another suggestion is have another baby >;).  When Anna's in there, they
are so quiet they end up accidently falling asleep!

But the real trick is to come up with a system of how many chances and what
they will lose, and then stick with it without fail.  If the kid already peed
and pood a million times, then if he can't wait, he loses a chance.  He'll
know what to do the next time -- he's not dumb!  Good luck!

		--  maggie

PS  And bedtime is so much nicer around here -- at least for a while.  I
think it must be easier for the kids too.  They know they have to go to bed
so they don't have to expend so much energy seeing how far they can go.  And
believe me, this is from experience:  at the end of last summer I couldn't
get them to sleep before midnight!
-- 
				--scott douglass
Any opinions above may be mine and are not necessarily those of Apple Computer.
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