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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Intrepid and Ozone A/C (was Re: Whining about buying American cars)
Date: 15 Nov 1992 20:12:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo) says:

>In article <1e4saqINN416@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>>
>>In a previous article, v064mcqs@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NEIL GANDLER) says:
>
>>>                4. Chrysler's Cab forward cars. Which show remarkable 
>>>engineering. And are the first cars to use non-cfc air conditioning which
>>              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>dunno where in the hell you dreamed this one up at!
>>
>>>will help save aour environment as far as reducing the ozone layer. Not
>>>to mention dual airbags, Excellent ride and value. Every magaine has given
>>>it praise.
>[rest deleted]
>
>Quoted from advertisement between pages 54 and 55 of the Nov. 16th Issue
>of Newsweek:
>
>"The air conditioning refrigerant cools without harming the ozone."

this may easily be true..but i dunno who dreamed up that they are the
first..this is the part i have problems with..considering that the
new VW's use it..i believe both  BMW and Mercedes use it some..all of
these are, i believe 93 models..and methinks mercedes may have been 
using them even longer..i can't quote from anything right now..but 
i do know that VW's has been alleged on the net, and undisputed..and i've
read the others at some time..just don't know where.

>Also, in the same advertisement:
>"We've made extensive use of recycled materials to absorb sound and
> reduce vibrations.  And one day down the road, 90% of this car is 
> designed to be recycled.  Something we all can live with"
>
>Proof enough?  Well, I guess it could be false advertising,

no. not for the FIRST non cfc a/c system.  i won't dispute the
rest.

>but they would be in a mighty lawsuit, because something
>like that would definately be tested by outsiders.
>
>*round of applause for the Intrepid*

scowl on face during applause..we'll see..a great step in the
right direction, but to begin with, i've seen misrepresentation
of the truth in their adverts already...they'd best start doing
better than that!...but still a good step..let's hoope they don't 
quit!

DREW
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From: jbii@HDFS1.acd.com ( John O. Bell II )
Subject: Re: Stick VS Auto.
Keywords: HOW STUPID CAN A MAN BE
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:23:14 GMT

In article <BxvsMK.MGv@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:
>> mjarvi@vipunen.hut.fi (Mikko I J{rvi) writes:
>
>>    If a completely normal human doesnt learn how to drive whit stick in
>> 15 min. he/she is an IDIOT. So what is the problem in US of A ??
>> 
>> P.S Am I the only one who is annoyed from the lack of engine brakeing while
>>     driveing automatic?
>
>As to learning stick, yes it is simple. I learned in a 1982 Chevy half ton
>with a COLUMN shift and mechanical clutch. Even with these incredibly
>unmanagable items, it still only took me about a day to learn how to drive
>the thing well. That is why it sometimes annoys me when people brag about
>how they are such good drivers because they can drive a manual. Especially
>if that manual has a nice, easy to shift five speed and a feather-touch
>hydraulic clutch. When they can manipulate a column shift three speed in
>heavy traffic, then they can brag.  :-)
>
>Mike

Hear, hear. I agree; I learned to drive stick on a 1953 Chevy 2 ton truck
that my grandparents *still* use to haul grain to the elevators... three
speed manual with dual-speed axle _whew_ (it took me all of 1 hour).
From: rep@thor.genrad.com (Pete Peterson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: shoud there be two different licences
Date: 16 Nov 1992 07:30:02 -0500
Organization: GenRad, Inc.
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 In article <1992Nov12.013141.7090@wam.umd.edu> jailbird@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (serial killer) writes:
 >
 >What do you  think about this
 >
 >Should we have a one licence to operate a manual transmisssion and one for  
 >automatic, ecept if you know how to drive a mnual you can drive a auto  
 >with no problem.  I'm asking this because I almost crashed in to someone  
 >who borrowed his friends car with a 5 speed which he didn't know how to  
 >drive at all. He was going about 50 in 4th gear and downshifted into first  
 >while his tires locked up.
 >
 >Why should a person be allowed to drive a 5 speed unless he has proven he  
 >knows how to? This person could be endangering other people on the road we  
 >speak

Many years ago in Massachusetts, if you took your driving test in a car
with an automatic transmission, you got a license that had a restriction
for "automatic transmissions only" similar to restrictions for "corrective
lenses" and "daylight operation only".  The listing of restriction codes on
the reverse side of the license still includes the "automatic transmission"
restriction, but I don't believe the code is used these days.

Do you know that the assholes in the Mass. Registry of Motor Vehicles now
charge you more to renew your license if it includes a motorcycle
endorsement?
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: BMW/Servotronic
Date: 24 Nov 1992 01:08:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) says:

>In article <1ero0vINN29f@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>>i heard, i think, that Dinan has a chip out to override this...
>>but am not for sure..i do KNOW that he has a chip out to override
>>SOME BMW's variable steering, to make it linear rate, and, i think,
>>stiffer than stock...
>>DREW
>
>servotronic is not chip controlled.  where are you going to put
>the upgrade chip?
>
>
>eliot
>

beats me..note the I THINK...i am not SURE!..i'm not even sure what
is meant by "servotronic"..must have missed that article.  mind telling
me what it is, in light of my obvious ignorance?  I do know that he
makes a chip for SOME BMW(a 7 series, i think, but am not sure) that
does this.
DREW
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From: hagger@cs.umd.edu (Paul Hagger)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: James Dean drove one
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:02:11 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <corsa.722372344@jobe> corsa@shell.portal.com (Eric Richard Elliott) writes:
>tonyz@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Tony Zugates) writes:
>
>>Restored 1965 Porsche 356 SC for sale
>
>>e-mail for details
>
>ummmm.....   James Dean was dead by 1965. 
>|-----------------------------+---------------+-----------------------------| 
>|    Eric Elliott          Corsa@shell.portal.com       GEnie: E.ELLIOTT7   |
>\---------------------------------------------------------------------------/

The only Porsche James Dean ever owned was a 550 Spyder.

He bought it for racing, and on the condition that the mechanic who recommended it to
him do all the service work for him.

He died in it before he ever raced it (sorta in it, he got thrown out and killed --
seat belts weren't too popular back then) in the hills of California when a guy
made an illegal turn ahead of him.

Which should detract nothing from the Porsche 356 SC in question

-hagger
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: vjd11@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (virgil.j.duncan)
Subject: Re: Whining about buying American cars
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:43:38 GMT
Summary: what a serious joke !

In article <STXTNT.92Nov20184737@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov>, stxtnt@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov (Nigel Tzeng) writes:
> In article <1992Nov18.182548.15901@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> vjd11@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (virgil.j.duncan) writes:
> 
> [lots o stuff deleted]
> 
> >80% true. Do not forget you are part of this American economy; if some of it
> >shrinks or folds YOU will pay more taxes for the people who get unemployed.
> >For comparable products I prefer my money to go and put food on some
> >kid from Detroit table rather than be used somewhere else, even if this
> >money buys US government debt, or it is re-invested here.
> 
> Ahhh...but buying a car that goes thorugh the Port of Balitmore puts
> food on the table of a Marylander not somebody in Detroit...so is it

The Marylander will get the equivalent of a soup, while the Detroiter
will get a full dinner for a week - I am amazed you still do not get
that

> okay for me to buy a foreign car that stimulates local economy at the
> detriment to some other state?  I'm simply applying patriotism to a
> much more tighter scale...
> 
Yes Nigel! Your salary comes from taxes paid by Detroit auto workers
much more than Baltimore port workers. You should take a closer look
on who is paying your salary and who is your customer you are trying
to satisfy.
I am not sure how many people buy a foreign car by looking at the PORT of
ENTRY on the sticker!!

I see that my picturing of a Detroit kid hungry touched a lot of people;
lots of you got defensive and quickly labelled this as racism.
we got even to talk about baseball and the Canadian Flag.
Talking about racism/patriotism/isolationism is not the issue here - 
the issue is having enough money to put food on the table and pay
for good education and healthcare!!

> >Jeff!
> >You work for Motorola - Try to think a minute what will happen to your
> >life if guys like me will not consider first buying from you
> >cellular systems, computer systems and components.
> >Even in the service sector your job won't last too long!!
> 
> Poor choice in analogy.  Motorola sells things because it makes some
> of the arguably best products around...not because someone decides to
> pry open their computer to figure out what percentage of chips were
> made in the US.  
> 
Nigel!
Same thing applies to you; if US government will not have enough money
for your work because of a shrunk tax base, then you better reconsider
your options.

At any rate this is rec.autos - THIS is NOT misc.consumers or alt.jokes.autos;
Jeff, I am still not sure if this was meant to be a joke or not; as you
can see some people still think as your initial post, which is very sad.
Let's close the matter and still be friends.
> 
> >virgil duncan
>
From: hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Intrepid and Ozone A/C (was Re: Whining about buying American cars)
Date: 15 Nov 1992 21:37:47 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:


>In a previous article, cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo) says:
>>
>>"The air conditioning refrigerant cools without harming the ozone."

>this may easily be true..but i dunno who dreamed up that they are the
>first..this is the part i have problems with..considering that the
>new VW's use it..i believe both  BMW and Mercedes use it some..all of
>these are, i believe 93 models..and methinks mercedes may have been 
>using them even longer..i can't quote from anything right now..but 
>i do know that VW's has been alleged on the net, and undisputed..and i've
>read the others at some time..just don't know where.

True enough, but I strongly believe we will see this new ozone saving
miracle refrigerant (R-134A) banned sometime in our lifetime.  There
are some disturbing properties of this chemical and since it is still
young (about 10 years old) its long term effects are still largely
unknown.

-- 
Jon Hacker
Caltech, Pasadena CA
hacker@tumbler-ridge.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers,misc.kids,sci.med
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Seat Belts Releasing in Crashes: Institute for Injury Reduction
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:58:25 GMT

jung@base.bellcore.com (Eric Jung) writes:

>In article <1992Nov23.073317.12362@tessi.com>, allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>|> 
>|> How do you think tractors get to all their fields, by airlift?
> 
>Yeah, but how does one get a John Deere to do 45 MPH?

>

When was the last time you rode in the tractors they sell on the market
these days?  They are WELL capable of going in excess of 45 MPH.

Also, the person who posted about hitting a tractor at 45 MPH in their
Nissan really didn't say if THEY were going 45 or if the tractor was
going 45.  The wording was such that it couldn't be inferred which vehicle
was really going 45 MPH, although knowing what I know about farmers and
tractors, I seriously doubt a farmer would travel that fast, particularly
since you mostly have the right side tires way off the rode and the left side
tires somewhat on the road.

Anyway, tractors CAN do 45 MPH, but I'm still guessing the Nissan was
doing the 45 MPH speed.  I remember getting one up to 35 MPH ten years
ago.  I didn't go any higher because frankly, a suspension on a tractor
is an oxymoron and I was afraid my teeth would rattle to the point of
falling out, not to mention I was afraid of cracking my skull on the cab
roof.  Boy, talk about "a whole lot 'o shakin' goin' on!"

allen
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou)
Subject: Re: G20 vs. Altima, Fast vs. Slow
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:19:58 GMT

There was quite a debate about how a door lock affect the quality of a car.
At any rate the Altima has a real great sounding lock (better even than M-B?
Oooops, just opened a Pandora's box again).  But I looked around and failed to
locate that tiny "stanza" mark.  Is there actually one?

About the looks, tapered tails can be real nice.  Just look at the original
Jaguar XJ-6 Series III.  The Bonny SSE is alright, too.  But Peugeot (sp?) had
a fairly ugly tail on its 404(?) (and later Romanian Darcia).  And Nissan went
too far.  Just saw an Altima this morning.  It almost looks like a different
look for different look's sake.  At any rate, what's wrong with that "wedged
look"?  The new Probe looks fantastic!

Just my 2 cents.
From: mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar)
Subject: Re: Fix rear-window defroster?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:30:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.150641.3368@netnews.whoi.edu> jmr@nobska.er.usgs.gov (Jim Robb) writes:
>	Anybody know how to fix a scratch across one
>of the glued-on bands of a rear-window defroster?  Are there
>known techniques or kits?  (I can speculate about a razor blade,
>foil, and glue, and I'm curious if anybody's been successful at it.)
>

Yep. Go to the auto parts store (a good auto parts store), and buy yourself
some rear defroster repair compound. Then follow the directions on the
bottle exactly as they are printed. 

Watch out, the stuff is expensive. I paid almost 10 bucks for a little
bottle of the stuff when I fixed mine last month. 

Mike

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From: CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Craig Witkowski)
Subject: Re: Ford lemons
Organization: Motorola
Date: 20 Nov 1992 07:15:18 CST

Based on the horror stories my company and I have had with a fleet of 91-92
Fords (Taurus wagons & sedans) tossing transmissions, AC compressors and engine
mounts,  I think the title of this thread of letters (Ford Lemons) is
redundant.


Craig Witkowski, CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com
Motorola Communications & Electronics Inc.
Glen Rock,  NJ

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From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: Raising the limit
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:45:23 GMT


In article <1e98hbINNkcq@bigboote.WPI.EDU> gregc@banach.WPI.EDU (Gregory M Charland) writes:
>     I had an idea for a high-speed registration system some time ago.
>Some basic points (all gov't actions are assumed to be state):

[Rules and regs omitted.]

As nice as this would be (since of course I *know* that I and my vehicle
would easily qualify for the HS "red" class ;-), it can't possibly work.
Creating two separate and unequal classes of drivers withh cause no end
of headaches for everyone. The people who don't "make the cut" will
scream discrimination, file billions of lawsuits, etc. etc. and it will
all be a huge mess.

Better to just raise the speed limit to 85 or 90 MPH. Those with
vehicles capable of travelling at that speed will do so, if they feel
comfortable. Those with Geo Metros will stay at 55. ;-)

Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers,misc.kids
From: pz@keps.kodak.com (Paul Czarnecki)
Subject: Re: Seat Belts Releasing in Crashes: Institute for Injury Reduction
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:15:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.173351.4330@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten) writes:
>>the seatbelts terrifying: they just don't feel secure.  I would prefer a
>>four-point harness, which I am considering installing in my car.
>
>Are you talking about a race-car type harness?  If so, these are illegal
>for street use in the States, 

This is not true for all brands.  Schroth make a 4 point harness that
is legal for on-road use in the United States.  I don't have their
number nor their belts.  My 4 point harness is an "illegal" brand. 

Besides, if you consider 4-point (or 5 point) belts important, would
the illegality stop you?  I put 3 pointers in the rear of my 1986
Mazda sedan.  I'm sure I broke a federal law doing so and I DON'T
CARE. 

Finally, it is possibly, actually fairly easy, to install racing
harnesses in an unsafe manner.  Please, consult an expert, preferably
someone in the racing field who has lots of experience in things
mechanical and cars hitting solid objects.   It's real easy to get this
wrong folks.

					pZ
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jdt@ulysses.att.com (Jonathan D. Trudel[ftd])
Subject: Japanese F-40 video?
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:23:04 GMT
Reply-To: jdt@ulysses.att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ


One of the car magazines (Automobile, if I recall) mentioned that there is a 
video tape of someone driving his Ferrari F-40 through Japan at an amazing
speed (170mph, or thereabouts).  The video was shot with the camera inside
the car, and the speedometer is visible.  

Unfortunately for the driver, the police now have video-taped evidence of the
speeder.  They claim that it's the first time they've caught anyone going
three times the legal limit.  

Now, this begs the question - Does anyone know where to buy that tape?
It sounds really interesting.  (no flames regarding the legality of this
will be responded to).

						Jon
From: hacker@cco.caltech.edu (Jonathan Bruce Hacker)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Japanese Full Size Trucks
Date: 23 Nov 1992 20:24:24 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:


>Hold on here:

>n article <1992Nov22.024353.13830@rchland.ibm.com>
>alter@rchland.vnet.ibm.com w
>rites:
> 
>>1.  The 3.0L engine is too small (lower hp and torque).  The Ford ranger
>>3.0L has more power (can't say too much about GMs stuff as I was that
>the
>>local Ford/Toyota dealer leafing through truck literature and ranacross   
>>the data).  Hey, the japs may make 'em more reliable, but if your gonna use
>>the truck for what it's designed for, hauling/towing, I think yourwasting
>>your $20,000 (4WD version I saw).


I heard on the Car Show (KPFK Los Angeles) that the T100 will have a
V8 option in the near future.  Toyota wants to buy V8 engines from GM
for this truck since they are very worried about protectionism and
anti-jap sentiment in the US and Canada.  However, it looks like GM
will probably say no to such a deal.  In that case look for a new V8
from Toyota to magically appear.  It will certainly NOT be the 4 cam
32 valve lexus V8 either which would be totally inappropriate for a
truck.
-- 
Jon Hacker
Caltech, Pasadena CA
hacker@tumbler-ridge.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: barham@medtronic.COM (Bill Barham)
Subject: Experiences with Pickups
Reply-To: barham@medtronic.COM
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:08:51 GMT

I am planning to buy a used full-size pickup.  I am thinking about going with
a diesel engine.  I would like to here about good and bad experiences with
full-size pickups, gas and diesel.

Thanks,
Bill Barham        email:  barham@urel.medtronic.com
From: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Subject: Re: Hot rods & clunkers
Reply-To: greg@cherokee.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:56:39 GMT

jmiller@afit.af.mil (Jeffrey C Miller) warns:

> ...  I heard on the radio yesterday that some "environmental"
> group is going to go around and place "tickets" on cars they 
> perceive to be "gas guzzlers".

> Woe unto the eco-freak who thinks my GLH is a "gas guzzler", ...

> Wonder what their heuristic for determining what is or is not a 
> "gas guzzler" is, and if they will bother to observe and also
> "ticket" "smoke-belchers".

The best person to determine that is the owner of the car.  If it no
longer is economical to fix up the old beast and there is a ready
market for such cars thru a Buy-em-get-em-off-the-road program, then,
*if* and *when* the owner wants to get rid of the car, the owner *can*
do so.  As it stands now, these cars continue on indefinitely, selling
for $50 to a few hundred $ barely making it, but still making it.

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