HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ENG1787@VAX2.QUEENS-BELFAST.AC.UK (L.LITVACK)
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Subject: Re: Timetabling by __NB__ by computer
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:42:00 GMT
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A telephone call to Mervyn to explain what I thought would be my
convoluted methodology produced a request from him that I go public
with the BIG SECRET, so here goes:

I received an ASCII file consisting of student names, student numbers,
and a series of codes corresponding to the courses each student was taking.
For each course code (for example, 110ENG101, our first-year English
course) I did a global replacement, substituting times as listed in the
calendar for each course code -- thus 110ENG101 becomes 1M10 2M10, that is,
the lectures are given in the first semester on Mondays at 10:00, and in the
second semester on Mondays at 10:00.  Once this is done for all the courses
which all students are taking, I set indexed the file, with the standard
F2 option, which separates records by a double carriage return.  I then
conduct a search for each individual time when our own tutors (who have
given me their own timetables) would like to hold tutorials for this
particualr course.  So, Bob Jones, for example, would like to hold a
tutorial at 1T12 and 2T12 (1st semester, Tuesdays at 12:00, and 2nd
semester, Tuesdays at 12:00)  The syntax in TextBase would then be

(\all \and \not ((1T12 \or 2T12)))

We then get a list of matches, which in our case this year started out
as something like 165 students available at this time.  One then copies
over into an NB file enough matches to fill Bob's tutorial.  Then you
can start all over again.  The tweaking can come in at this point.
In order to make sure that these already selected students are not
found a second time, you either watch for their names to appear in the
new search, and simply pass them over, OR you eliminate them from
your .D00 or .D01 file, and reindex the textbase.

For me, what this automated process meant that a chore which in the
past took a weekend, could not be accomplished in an evening.  I hope
that this is clear enough for all who are interested.  If you have any
suggestions for refining the process I have described, please let
me know.

Leon Litvack
ENG1787@uk.ac.queens-belfast.vax2

Thanks, Mervyn, for prompting me to make this info. available to the List!
From: davison@MIZAR.USC.EDU (Stephen Davison)
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Subject: Re: Arrival of NB4
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:35:53 GMT
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No sign of NB4 in Los Angeles yet!
... for anyone keeping tabs on delivery ...

Stephen Davison
davison@usc.edu
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 92 21:57:49 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: NB4 and disk space
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              8 Oct 92 11:42:17 -0400 from <mrh3b@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>

Re: various NB versions on one disk

You can have as many NB versions as you only like, on condition
that you write a specific batch file for each version so that
the other version's subdirectory will not be accessible to it.
If it is, it may cause some harm, since there are files with
similar names, at least until version 3.1. With 4.0, all
major filenames have been changed, presumably to prevent such
errors.

To do that, you must put a different PATH definition in the
respective batch files.

However, you can save a lot of space by putting commonly
usable files in one sub(sub)directory accessible to ALL versions.
Such files are the spellers, thesaurus, various HELP screens,
and definitely XPL written pgms (with a few exceptions).
then into some sub-subdorectory which will aleways stay in the

Of course you cannot put all of the versions in one and the same
subdirectory. You must decide which will be in NB, and which
will be in differently named subdirectories. I keep 3.1 in NB,
while 3.0 is located in NB0, and NB 4.0 in LN (=lingua).
I've put the speller, thsaurus, etc in NBNB, which stays
accessible to all versions alike.

You need a lot of space for all that. 4.0 takes over 1.3;
if you use Orbis, it creates a whole set of files which take
much space. With 600K you cannot afford even thinking of
installing any extra pgm, I'm afraid.

Itamar E-Z

PS. 4DOS users can have a look at my batch files (stored in
ez-tm03.zip) for switching versions. There are various extra
precaustions that can be taken, such as preventing you from
trying to load a version when any NB version is already
loaded, etc. (In the case of 4.0 lingua, the computer will
get stuck if you do.)
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 92 08:27:00 IST
From:         Ron Kuzar <SOUKR@HUJIVM1>
Subject:      Filling out forms with computer
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I know that NB has a feature for simulating a typewriter line by line.
But one cannot fill out forms with it easily because of the calculation of
spaces.
Has anybody writen an XPL program that prints letter by letter? This way
one can advance the print head to the right place with spaces. Alternatively,
could anybody send me an exact name and subdirectory for an external
(simtel) program which does that?
Thanks
Ron Kuzar soukr@hujivm1
From: boardman@EQUINOX.UNR.EDU (Phillip C Boardman)
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Subject: Re: NB4 Video and Screensavers
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:42:12 GMT
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              Screensavers" (Oct 13,  3:34pm)

I would also like a copy of dimmer.com.   Thanks.

Phil Boardman
boardman@equinox.unr.edu
From: pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Paul J. Bodin)
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Subject: re: NB4 arrival
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:24:02 GMT
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John Berg writes:

> I have another question--I cannot find anything in the documentation
> about the old STARTUP.INT file. Can I just copy it into NBSTART.INT
> [if I remember the new name right], or is it more complicated?

The NBSTART.INT fied is the NB4 correlate of the old STARTUP.INT file,
and can be used in precisely the same way.  Users should be very
cautious, however, about copying the old STARTUP.INT file wholesale to
the new file, for many of the functions commonly served by entries in
STARTUP.INT are now taken care of automatically by NB4 or by using
it's "Set" menu.  A little cautious experimentation with the program
and its customization options should precede your production of a new
NBSTART.INT--you may decide that the new possibilities enabled in NB4
will lead you to use this file a little differently.

I know that many users of this list have used STARTUP.INT to unload a
lot of overlays from memory and custom tailor their configuration in
order to conserve memory.  Be VERY CAUTIOUS about copying these
commands as-is to NBSTART.INT, for the way that NB4 uses overlays is
very different.  Many of the overlays are modified in a
context-sensitive manner during the initial program load, in a way
that cannot be duplicated by reloading them later.  Manipulating them
in the same way as one did with NB3 can result in unpredictable
results, corrupted files, system crashes, etc.  *BE CAREFUL*

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 92 08:27:08 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Installation hiccups
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I am discovering that Hugh Agnew's installation problems are not
entirely isolated.  I haven't yet received my Lingua package, but I
can shed a single gleam of light on the situation from my experiences
helping others install NB4 (both with and without Lingua).

All the upgrade looks for in your NB3 program directory or
distribution diskette is an NB.EXE file with valid registration
information.  It then appears to use this information to serialize the
program files for NB4.  It does not use any of the NB3 files
themselves.  This means that you don't need everything from NB3 on
your disk, just the registered version of NB.EXE.

My advice to Hugh would be to try a new installation in a new
directory (sticking with the default directory name of NB4 is a good
idea, especially if you are having trouble with the installation).
Keep a copy handy of the master backup NB3 distribution diskette with
NB.EXE on it so that you can insert it when needed if the installation
program can't find NB.EXE in your old program directory.  That should
do the trick...

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 92 19:51:00 EDT
From:         "Ada_W.Finifter" <FINIFTER@MSU>
Subject:      HP III problems with 4.0
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I am having problems printing files originally prepared in NB 3.1 using NB 4.0
and a HP LaserJet III.  Something seems to be incompatible and the printer
just stops in the middle of a file.  Up in the "action area" I don't get an
error message but rather a list of odd characters such as might be printer
instructions, but I cannot find any unusual characters in the file itself.  I
don't think this is memory or anything like that since the file was only about
6 pages long.  It did have some formatting in it (flush centers and tab stops)
just before a table and that is where the printer hangs.  Oddly, it printed
the whole file the first pass through but then kept hanging just before the
table at every succeeding pass.  Finally, I had to go back and print via 3.1.
I can see that as long as I have any 3.1 created files, which will probably be
forever, I will be afraid to delete 3.1 from my hard disk.  Both programs eat
up quite a lot of space!

After each one of these occurrences, the printer also seems to be
"deactivated" and I have to reactivate it.
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The 800 number, as printed in the issue of Wings that was transmuted
into Notabilis, is: 800/969-6922.  The FAX number is 212-334-0845.

The more I think about it, the more I feel Dragonfly-->NB Informatics,
and Wings-->Notabilis is nonsensical. Getting the program out was/is
the most important thing!  Did they change the names so we'd have
no resentment towards "Dragonfly" only towards "NB Informatics"?

Bob Strauss
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 92 19:14:44 EDT
From:         Dieter Christensen <dc@WOOF.MUSIC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Phonetic characters on Lingua
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To those who have received Lingua:

Is there (yet) an International Phonetic character set printable on HP III
included with Lingua? If yes, does anyone have experience with it?

I should much appreciate your advice before I order (or wait).

Dieter Christensen
dc22@columbia.edu
From: B10@TAUNIVM.BITNET (Itamar Even-Zohar,
              Porter Chair of Semiotics)
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Subject: Hebrew with NBLINGUA Ibid
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:07:54 GMT
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I checked again the possibilities of working with a Hebrew
database in NBLINGUA Ibid.

Browsing is still impossible (the Hebrew items are displayed
  from left to right)

Generating via automatic styles comes pretty close to an
optimum (though you have to add LA=4,LR=0 in the formatting
deltas, and erase quite many LA1 deltas), which is the good
news.

The bad news is that even if you select ASCII sorting, then
abolish capitalization (all via the Utilities sub-screen),
the initial characters in the Hebrew sentences get capitalized
in all fields other than the title. This means a complete
havoc, since capitalization in Hebrew is nonsense. What
takes place is a barbaric replacement of a set of letters
by another, a totally unrelated, set. I don't see how one
could cancel that. NBI will have to take care of this
capitalization issue, because it also affects regular files
(if you leave AU on, you get the wrong characters at the
beginning of sentences).

If I am in my office tomorrow, I can upload a small (98 items)
Hebrew database for whoever wish to test this option.
Drop me a line if you wish to be sent a copy.

Itamar
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 92 23:04:44 CST
From:         Glenn Everett <IVAA@UTMARTN>
Subject:      RE: Tragedy in Amsterdam
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For those who complain that computer reduces human interaction, there is
a poignant irony in the discussion of the tragedy in Amsterdam.  At the
same time that the computer gives us the convenience of something like
the Notabene list it shrinks the world to
village size.  No longer can we distance ourselves from tragedy.  As
Walt Whitman says (in a different context) in "Crossing Brooklyn Ferry,"
"Distance avails not, and place avails not."
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 92 03:46:40 -0400
Reply-To:     Mike Agnes <by971@cleveland.Freenet.Edu>
From:         Mike Agnes <by971@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU>
Subject:      NB4 mailing
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Regarding NB4 mailings to Canada, can't say, but just across
Lake Erie here in Cleveland, there has been no sighting of
the whole package (NB4, Lingua, Orbis, Ibid[+]). Particularly
irksome, as I signed up within days of the "subscription"
announcement in "Wings." And in these days of tight budgets,
I shudder to think what sort of interest I could have made on
the money taken so long ago (has it passed the 18-month mark?).
   Regarding PC Magazine and Edward Mendelson's perennial
fulsome praise of NB, does the man own stock in NBI? To give
this constantly one-sided view to the general public with no
account of the negative is highly suspicious. Who among us
would urge a colleague to put himself in the same mess we now
find ourselves? I trust his Auden cataloging was more even-
handed.

--

        Mike Agnes
        Internet:   by971@cleveland.freenet.edu
        Bitnet  :   by971%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
From: B10@TAUNIVM.BITNET (Itamar Even-Zohar,
              Porter Chair of Semiotics)
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Subject: Re: Attention Network Users!
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:41:42 GMT
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Re: networking

Michael,

S. Simonson (Simonsohn?) of Tel Aviv U has been using Novell
through the mainframe for over a year now, with Nota Bene
(Shapirit 3.0). He may be of help to you. Or rather Lew Golan,
the brain behind that (Lew@taunivm).

Here at TAU we have had ethernet connection for quite some
time, and nobody is charged directly. So I guess that I stay
here, near the sea, rather than ever moving to your dreary
mountain bastille.

Itamar E-Z
From: mackayb@HG.ULETH.CA (Bruce MacKay)
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Subject: NB 4.0 arrival
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:05:10 GMT
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Ah.  The first real snow this winter, the trees and the hills are all white
and clean; the Blue Jays are winning; AND NB 4.0 arrived in snowy South
Alberta, Canada.  What could be finer?

Bruce

mackayb@hg.uleth.ca
Dept. of Geography
University of Lethbridge
Lethbridge, Alberta
Canada  T1K 3M4
From: mrh3b@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU (Marvyn R. Harris)
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Subject: NB4 & French speller
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:22:29 GMT
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I have tried this morning to install my NB French speller to no
avail whatsoever. With my licensed FRENCH SPELLER MASTER diskette
in drive B:, I bring up the installation menu (Set/General
Installation) and choose Spelling dictionaries/thesaurus, only to
be told that the installation is looking for the file:
NB_SP_F.NB. When it can't find the file -- which is of course not
on the diskette -- it tells me to insert the disk N.B. Speller F
into drive B:. No such diskette was sent in my package.

QUESTION: Has anyone succeeded in installing any of the
foreign-language spelling checkers in NB4? If so, How?

Roy Harris - University of Virginia
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Date:         Sun, 11 Oct 92 16:55:50 -0400
From:         "Marvyn R. Harris" <mrh3b@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Lingua and Trident VGA
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Paul Bodin was right on target -- as he has so often been in
recent days -- in suggesting that I install Lingua by starting NB
with the /b command line switch to correct my video display
problem. The only problem that I had -- and stating it here may
help someone else -- is that I misunderstood that I should launch
NB with the /b switch before running the installation. I had
originally assumed that I could install it first, then exit the
program, and finally reenter NB with the /b switch. Such was not
the case. On my firt attempt, immediately after the install
program installed the file NBLINGUA.DIA, the screen turned to
garbage, making it impossible for me to continue. I then rebooted
using the /b switch and reinstalled, affirming each time that I
wanted to overwrite the files already installed. I knew I was in
the clear when the screen following the installation of
NBLINGUA.DIA came up in clean ASCII. I haven't yet figured out
how to use LINGUA, but that's another chapter of the saga. For
the moment I need to see if I can install the /b switch
permanently. In layman's terms, Paul, can you tell us what the /b
switch is doing?

Thanks a million for the help.

Roy Harris - University of Virginia
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:59:53 -0400
From:         "Marvyn R. Harris" <mrh3b@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      NBLINGUA & Toshiba Cyrillic
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I think that I recall someone having written on the list the
other day that they had been able to print Cyrillic text from
NBLINGUA on a Toshiba 24-pin printer (perhaps the ExpressWriter
311?). Am I correct? I ask because I have spent a frustrating two
days trying to print Cyrillic characters on my Toshiba P351
without any success. I'm beginning to believe that the Cyrillic
font files aren't included. When I look at the files in the
subdirectory called FONT that NBLINGUA created, in addition to
the 28 .NLP files, obviously HP LaserJet files, there are two
files called T24-10.FNT and T24-12.FNT which are doubtless
Toshiba font files. Does anyone know what character sets are in
them? Do they contain Cyrillic, Greek and Hebrew characters?

Roy Harris - University of Virginia
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 92 08:55:43 EDT
From:         "RANDALL D. WIGHT" <wight@OBU.ARKNET.EDU>
Subject:      NB4 and Stacker
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I too have, as yet, observed no problems running NB4 on a Stackered drive.


________________________________________________________________________________
Randall D. Wight				(501) 245-5107
Department of Psychology			wight@obu.arknet.edu
Ouachita Baptist University
Arkadelphia, AR  71998-0001
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 92 12:18:23 EDT
From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4 Video and Screensavers
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Robert Lavenda writes:

> Ideally, I'd like a screen saver that worked over any NB screen. Any
> recommendations? P.S. My video card does not have its own screen blanker.

I have found that the old, tried-and-true public domain program
DIMMER.COM is perfectly effective with NB.  I have a version which I
have modified slightly (with the author's permission) and would be
willing to share.  I have removed the frills, bells and whistles and
reduced it to a simple screen blanker that blacks out the screen
either after a specified interval or when both shift keys are struck
simultaneously, and that is also sensitive to mouse activity as well
as keyboard activity.  I have not found any program that it conflicts
with.  My modifications removed the conflict it had with NB's keyboard.

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Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 92 14:33:12 EDT
From:         "William H. TeBrake" <TEBRAKE@MAINE>
Subject:      Re: NB4 and cursor speed
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Marvyn Harris askes if the keyboard/cursor speed can be set within NB4.
According to the Quick Customization Guide that I received with the
upgrade, p. 7, the keyboard delay/repeat rate can be set via the
sequence F1, Set, Other, System, Typematic rate.
-- Bill TeBrake, History, U. of Maine, Orono, Maine, USA
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 92 10:18:08 -0400
From:         wturpin1@CC.SWARTHMORE.EDU
Subject:      4.0 and its documentation
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Having received my  nice new 4.0, including lingua, orbis and ibid, I
remain sort of puzzled about what to do with it, since there seem to be
only the barest of guides to the latter three features, and they are the
ones I have always found the most difficult.

Previous reports mentioned (I think) a letter explaining that full
documentation was on its way, but there is nothing of that sort in my
package.  Given the problems with 4.0 reported over the wires, along with
my general reluctance to spend time fooling with a program which seems to
have little future, I'm tempted to send the whole thing back and just keep
to 3.0, which is at least the devil I know.

Does anyone have any better information about what NBI's intentions are?  I
wrote them long ago protesting that they had become a lot less
user-friendly in their documentation than when they started out, but see no
real signs that they care very much about that.  The tutorial for nb is
promising, I suppose, but what I need, in my cybernetic darkness,  is one
for orbis and ibid.

William Turpin
Department of Classics
Swarthmore College
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