From: kellym@wowee.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Kelly Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Trip on Space Ship 3.
Date: 13 Dec 92 06:21:51 MST
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In article <1992Dec10.223147.8044@beaver.cs.washington.edu> boesch@cs.washington.edu (Eric Boesch) writes:
> jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...) writes:
> >======================================================================
> >Actually, you can pick up alien transmissions on your am radio but it
> >is quite well known where they are coming from. The signals also sound
> >like waves washing onto a beach, sort of smooth and rhythmic. These
> >signals come from the planet Jupiter when it is in the sky. Whether day
> >or night the planet has to be in the sky above you so that the earth
> >doesn't block out the signals. I don't remember the exact frequency but
> >it is about a third of the way up the am band as I recall. Since Jupiter
> >is close to a protostar in development and puts out more energy than it
> >receives your radio is acting like a tiny radio-telescope when it picks
> >it up.
> >======================================================================
>
> This is not good science.  Noise travels with great difficulty in thin
> air, and interstellar space is an almost perfect vacuum, so radio
> waves are almost immobile in space.  A radio wave in a perfect vacuum

This is not good science either.
Radio waves themselves are not "noise" unless you are a radio.

> does not move at all; that is what is called a "stationary wave".  For
> a less extreme example, the first men on the moon heard a radio
> programme that researchers discovered had been last broadcast in 1925!

Oh, that's right.  The moon is so very far away from the earth, the
relative distance must have distorted space and time.

> The further away from Earth you go, the farther back in time you go.

I'm sure some people believed you.  How about, the closer you get to
travelling ~90%+ the speed of light, the faster you "travel" forward
in time, relative to people on earth.

> Followers of Einstein proved this by an experiment where they kept
> very accurate clocks at the top and at the bottom of a very tall
> building, and because of the differing distances of the clocks from
> the Earth's center, the clocks lost synchronization.  As an extreme

What type of clocks were they, and how were they in sync?  A tall building?
Did the researchers also yell to each other to compare the two readings?

> case of this phenomenon, the light traveling from distant galaxies far
> away may be billions of years old!

You're trying to tell me that the Earth is the center of the universe, that
time is relative to its core? Hmm..

So your idea is that the light arrived _instantaneously_, and that its
relative distance from the earth is the only reason it "aged?"

You have posted a very bad joke.  Feel free to poke fun at people, but
once in a while you should prove that you actually know *something*,
like even the basics of relativity. I'm having my doubts that you do.
Your sarcasm could have been more convincing -- please enlighten me.

> So the Jupiter protostar theory sounds good on the surface but is not
> valid.  On the other hand, it is a mathematical fact that the hiss of
> an evil machine intelligence subliminally subverting your will over
> the radio or telephone is REMARKABLY like the noise made by a
> protostar.  Because I am not a conspiracy theorist, I will allow you
> to make your own decision which is the more likely explanation.

A mathematical fact about an evil machine intelligence?
In that case, it is likely more intelligent than you, too.

> (Aside: you will note that these laws of physics imply that the center
> of the Earth is actually ALREADY IN THE FUTURE relative to us
> surface-dwellers.  This does not necessarily imply that there is an
> advanced civilization down there, or "up there" as one who lives in
> the center of the Earth might call it, but it does suggest that such
> theories may have more validity than conventional scientists believe.)

Can you name all the laws of physics, and how I will be tried if I break
them?  And give me some solid facts, too.  Facts like how aliens could
not POSSIBLY exist, because you're just not sure about it.  Tell me about
"your" laws of physics, how certain things are possible, and others are
not.  Tell me how you decide, on what you base your decision, on whom you
have learned your ideas from.  Tell me why some things will never be
possible, tell me why you'd never believe them anyway.  Tell me why life
could never exist beyond how you know it, and tell me why we must be the
most advanced race in the universe. Tell me why aliens can't exist.

> Always willing to help,

Always?  Help me out.  Come on, I know you can.

Oh, you can probably help someone close his mind to anything and
everything he doesn't understand.  I once thought that scientists were
open to new ideas and new possibilities, but it seems I am very wrong.
Only a very select few, those who've taken us just a step further, can
claim that title.  So very sad.  In that respect, I doubt you'll
ever achieve anything of novell importance, and it's so obvious why.
You have a great imagination, though, so why don't you use it
constructively? It could take you far!

Yeah, I can take a joke, but why does it always have to be in
alt.alien.visitors?  I'll give you 10 zorkmids to take it elsewhere.

> Eric Boesch
> PhD in Paraastronomy, 1987
> Universitat Verbelligten, Bundesrepublik Deutschland
> Hohenschreibersputnikfunksignalstrasse
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