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From: mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
Subject: Fruits in Freefall (was: weirdest items lost in freefall)
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 14:05:02 GMT

Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs) writes:
: In article <1992Jul29.034710.5433@mercury.cair.du.edu>
: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:
: >ok ONE more - in the book United We Fall, someone suggests chasing
: >grapefruits in freefall as a way to practice RW skills. i think it would
: >b pretty nifty to catch one.
: 
:      A couple of us played catch with an orange one time.  It's
: hard to catch it because it tends to bounce off your hand before
: you can close your fingers around it.  We finally had to dump and
: let it go in.  It just sat there beside me until I got line stretch
: then took off straight down.

While I was jumping at Gardener Blue Sky Ranch a couple of cronies
(Hi Zimm) and I played catch with an orange.  It's sort of wierd
because oranges have about the same fall rate as people.

When you "throw it" it will fly away from you but for some reason
(perhaps the little  "pimples" on it?) it will start to spin and
fly away from you like a bat out of hell.  It's very fun to chase
and catch and throw again.

It's not that easy.  Try and use your hands to catch something in
freefall and you'll understand.  As soon as you move your hands
together for the grab, you change your glide attitude.
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From: Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Mass-Way
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:32:13 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

In article <1992Jul27.173145.18507@gateway.ssf-sys.DHL.COM>
bdaniels@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Ben Daniels) writes:

>I remember some talk one night about making a star so big that it would
>never land but just circle the earth like the rings of Saturn. However,
>we were too hung over the next day to organize it and by the next weekend
>something else had come up so we never did it.

     We noticed that larger formations seemed to fall slower than
small ones (at least up to a point, but a 15-wedge tended to really
float).  Someone once extrapolated that a 172-way would fall slowly
enough that you could land it.  But nobody could try it out because
the record was only 30 or so at the time.  :-)

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From: belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry Brumitt)
Subject: Re: weirdest items lost in freefall
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 15:38:13 GMT
Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU
Reply-To: belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry  Brumitt)

In article <dfQp02jT1bVZ01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> drp40@cd.amdahl.com (Douglas R Puchalski) writes:


   Well, not lost, maybe.  But I still can't figure out how my shoes
   *untie* but don't fall off on opening...


I thought that just happened to ME!  What kind of shoes do you wear?

Barry

p.s. Every time I wear New Balance 560's, unless I double knot them,
and tighten them while in the plane, they end up untied once I'm under
canopy... I don't know _how_ this happens!
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Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Suggestions re: AADs
Date: 25 Jul 92 01:32:08 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: drp40@cd.amdahl.com

 d> margin for error.  I was jumping some student gear with FXC's on them, and
 d> the AAD fired.  They have them hooked up to the mains--
 d> probably a good idea.
 d> So I pulled at 3000 ft and it still went off!  You do not want this...


Well, what was it SET for?  That is a valid question since, as you say, it was mounted on the main.  My thought is that it was maybe set for 2500 or even 3000 feet.  If so, what's the big deal?  It very much should have gone off.

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From: artb@hplsla.hp.com (Art Bori)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Source for three-axis suspension gadget?
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:18:25 GMT
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA

In article: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs) / 12:18 pm  Jul 22, 1992 /
> Does anyone know a source for the three axis suspension gadget that Mike
> Michigan used in _Travelling II_?  I'm talking about the thing with three

There is someone in the Seattle area who has one and it's called a "Gyrotron".
A jumper I know is good friends with the owner.  I'll email him and 
try to get you a contact.

My jumper friend borrowed it and brought it to a boogie last month.
Quite a few people tried it and even talked another cameraman to use
it with his camera helmet on.  The tape was pretty wild.

They had a sign on it that said "6000 rides and <no hurls>".  Of course, 
I could have been the first "hurler" if I'd gotten into the thing.

Blue skies,
Art Bori
D-11402
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From: wain@decoy.uucp (25498-greenhalgh)
Subject: Re: Suggestions re: AADs
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 17:28:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.153733.27549@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> sparkie@yar.cs.wisc.edu (Mark Horn) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.192511.14501@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:
>>>>>I once saw a friend (foolishly)  
>>>>>playing around under his good main.  His AAD fired ...
>>>>
>>>>I'll bet it was an FXC...
>>>
>>>That's correct - it was!
>>
>>So what was the foolish part?
>
>When I was a student, in my first jump course, we were taught that AAD's work
>with two circuits.  One that detects rate of descent and one that detects 
>altitude.  If both are closed, then the AAD will fire.  Thus if you are below
>the firing altitude, you can "fool" the AAD into firing by doing REALLY radical
>maneuvers under canopy - the AAD will think that the increased fall rate is a
>signal that it's going back into freefall. 
>


There has been several postings criticizing FXCs and saying how good
the new technology is.  I have been jumping FXCs for over 1100 jumps
and had only one misfire.(Since then there have been at least three
modifications to prevent misfires).  The example noted above is the one
reason that I am not convinced to go to the new technology.  With an FXC
one has the ability to turn off the AAD after opening or before
jumping if conditions (i.e. unplanned low exit) warrant it.  with the
other AADs disabling the device is diffcult at best.  The CYPRUS
has also had at least two different types of misfirings. One that has
already been mentioned of static causing a misfire, and an earlier incident
where the loop cutter cut the loop without the system firing.  CYRPUS has
also made modifcations for both of these problems.  My bottom line is that
I don't believe any one AAD is significantly better than any other.  One needs
to understand the differences and pick the one that meets their needs.

Wain

H. Wain Greenhalgh
wain@decoy.cc.bellcore.com
BELLCORE
Piscataway, NJ
From: bob@pta.pyramid.com.au (Robert Vernon)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Mass-Way
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:28:48 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Sydney

In article <13815@mindlink.bc.ca> Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.173145.18507@gateway.ssf-sys.DHL.COM>
>bdaniels@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Ben Daniels) writes:

>>I remember some talk one night about making a star so big that it would
>>never land but just circle the earth like the rings of Saturn. However,
>>we were too hung over the next day to organize it and by the next weekend
>>something else had come up so we never did it.

>     We noticed that larger formations seemed to fall slower than
>small ones (at least up to a point, but a 15-wedge tended to really
>float).  Someone once extrapolated that a 172-way would fall slowly
>enough that you could land it.  But nobody could try it out because
>the record was only 30 or so at the time.  :-)

Back when I was starting, I was told you could land a 100-way, they
would fall so slow.  Since 100-ways are fairly common nowadays, this
theory has been disproved.  Or is it just that all the participants
have been too gutless to hang in there.  :-)

I once had a really vivid dream.  A 100-way had formed over my local
drop-zone.  All the skygods I knew were in it and they going to try to
land it.  It got to about 10 feet then funnelled.  Everyone tried to
get out of the funnel and because they were only at 10 feet some
managed to jump up and out and land on their feet.  I remember thinking
that it was just as well they funnelled at 10 feet and not any higher.
Could have hurt themselves.


Bob V!
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From: martin@centaur.saic.com (Martin Hobson)
Subject: Re: weirdest items lost in freefall
Organization: SAIC, McLean, VA
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:14:00 GMT

dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs) writes:
>Does anyone have a particularly good
>brand/model of sports goggles to recommend, that provide comparable wind
>protection to Kroop goggles?

I'd like to hear about a good brand/type of sports goggles to wear,
also. While I don't usually have a problem with the sports glasses that
I wear, every once in a while something goes askew and they seem to
catch a lot of wind, with forseeable results.

Thanks!


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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.FIDONET.ORG (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Long day at the DZ
Date: 25 Jul 92 01:19:32 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: mark@virtech.uucp

 m> SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.FIDONET.ORG (SKYDIVE) (actually, Bill Caefer) writes:
 m> : Anyone got any others?

 m> Howabout Caribou, Twin Otter, Porter, Cessna 411?

Well, Caribou and Twin Otter were in the list.  I'm working on getting a Porter.  Where is the 411?

 m> Choppers sound sort of neat.  I've never left a chopper in mid-flight.
 m> I wonder how that would feel?

Mostly, it feels the same.  Although they are generally slower on jump run than most planes.  It's nice to go out both sides though.  And you don't need an airport.

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From: walter@netmail.austin.ibm.com (Walter L. Butler (Contractor))
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: weirdest items lost in freefall
Keywords: protec helmet
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:35:20 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <76705@ut-emx.uucp> angus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris McRoberts) writes:
>This past weekend, I was doing AFF level 3  when at about 10000ft I lost my
>helmet. It had a velcro attachment instead of a snap on one.

Yea, your jumpmasters almost lost control laughing so hard, didn't they.
I wouldn't be distracting my instructors like that if I were you.
Did Gail tell you the story about one of her students that had a piece of
gum fly out of her mouth in freefall.  The student just did like a dog
catching a thrown treat and caught her own gum, at 120 miles per hour!
It sounds like you were practicing for another Wally Gubbins movie?  If it
really was intentional, you should have gotten me to video it.  Next time,
just ask.

>I was wondering if  anyone else has lost any unusual items while they were
>falling at 120mph towards the earth. My roommate threw his ripcord at the 
>jumpmaster in his level 3.

I've almost lost my glasses several times.  Once I just stuck them in
my mouth and then continued on with the dive.  I had 11 people giving
me very strange looks during that dive.  I've also had my watchband break.
It fell to the floor when I took my suit off.  I've lost the battery on my
video camera on climbout.  Another person on the load saw something black
fall away, but couldn't identify it.  It is not cool to set people down
and hook up the video cables to a camera that has no battery.

Blue skies, Low winds (for students)

Walter
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From: sparkie@yar.cs.wisc.edu (Mark Horn)
Subject: Re: Suggestions re: AADs
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:37:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.192511.14501@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:
>>>>I once saw a friend (foolishly)  
>>>>playing around under his good main.  His AAD fired ...
>>>
>>>I'll bet it was an FXC...
>>
>>That's correct - it was!
>
>So what was the foolish part?

When I was a student, in my first jump course, we were taught that AAD's work
with two circuits.  One that detects rate of descent and one that detects 
altitude.  If both are closed, then the AAD will fire.  Thus if you are below
the firing altitude, you can "fool" the AAD into firing by doing REALLY radical
maneuvers under canopy - the AAD will think that the increased fall rate is a
signal that it's going back into freefall. 

That's what this guy was doing.  He was below 1000' (firing altitude on his
AAD), and doing front riser turns.  The circuit which detect altitude was
already closed.  By doing front riser turns, he fooled the AAD into thinking
that he went back into freefall and it fired.

Now that I'm a jumpmaster, I use this example to emphasize to students that
under 1000' they can't be doing really radical maneuvers.  I'll grant you
that it's hard to imagine a Manta fooling an AAD into thinking it's back in
freefall, but when it comes to students - BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY!

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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.FIDONET.ORG (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: av. $$ spent jumping / yr
Date: 25 Jul 92 01:47:24 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu

>Does anyone have some idea of who much the average jumper spends
>per year (jumping & maintence/equipment...)  -  for those that
>are off student status ?  (please state if u r talking US or CAN $$)

 b> There is a mathematical formula for this.

 b> Y = the amount of money you make that you can afford to spend
 b> Z = the amount that you can't afford to spend
 b> X = the amount you spend on skydiving

 b> X = Y + Z 

 b> But it's worth it! :-)

Pretty good.  I've got one too.

For all you assembly language types out there it's       DJNZ.

In English it is the instruction which means:

Decrement balance and Jump if Not Zero.

I've always liked that instruction.  <G>

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From: bdaniels@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Ben Daniels)
Subject: Re: Mass-Way
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:31:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.091602.15042@selway.umt.edu> sh666@selway.umt.edu (Azog) writes:
>
>What do you think would be the biggest 'way' attainable with an exit

I remember some talk one night about making a star so big that it would
never land but just circle the earth like the rings of Saturn. However,
we were too hung over the next day to organize it and by the next weekend
something else had come up so we never did it.


					Skratch

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From: bleck@mobot.ai.mit.edu (Olaf Bleck)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Source for three-axis suspension gadget?
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:59:30 GMT
Reply-To: bleck@ai.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory


In article <1992Jul22.191803.579@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>, dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs) writes:
|> Does anyone know a source for the three axis suspension gadget that Mike
|> Michigan used in _Travelling II_?  I'm talking about the thing with three


|> in touch with the world freestyle federation.  Any other suggestions?


Well, give Jerry Bird a call at Skydive City (Z-hills), and ask him to put
you in touch with Mike directly.  I'm sure Jerry would know where you can
find him.


According to Mike, the reason he uses the thing is to improve his 3-d
awareness.  Apparently the celia (?--small hairs) in your inner ear that act
as your inertial sensors get used to you being upright, so not all of them
are stimulated regularly.  Hence, swinging around in this thing exercises the
groggy ones.

-Olaf
B15057
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 29 Jul 1992 14:18:12 MST
From: <ICRJP@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Twin Bonanza (Was: Re: Long day at the DZ)
 <1992Jul27.161654.2122@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> <martin.712347733@centaur>

The thing I remember most about a Twin Bo is that we exited on the same side
as a Cessna.  On one quick 6-way on a Saturday morning, a very experienced
jumper on exit turned into the plane out of habit and needless to say the
exit funneled.  It was pretty funny and luckly noone on the load was so anal
as to lose their mind over it.  We also would float two on the wing.

                                             Randy Palmer
PS.  Any one know if there is anyway to jump in Fiji, it looks like I am
gloing to spen the next 3 years there and I won't be able to afford going
to Oz or New Zealand every time I get that urge.
From: bob@pta.pyramid.com.au (Robert Vernon)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Planes to jump
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:23:29 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Sydney

In article <1992Jul20.112432.28985@seq.uncwil.edu> cosper@seq.uncwil.edu (Kit Cosper) writes:
>There are quite a few Nomads in the States.  All that I have seen
>are being used for cargo flights by UPS contract haulers.

Really.  I'm surprised anyone overseas has bought one purely because of
the cost.  They were built by the Government Aircraft Factory, back
when the Oz government thought that getting into the aircraft business
would be a good thing.  Although the GAF was semi-autonomous it still
had a typical government mentality.  Which usually means that the
things they produced weren't competitive on the open market.  But they
sold heaps in Australia.  Usually used as cargo planes or as air
ambulances for the Royal Flying Doctor Service.

>Nice flying planes,

They are nice.  Comfortably sits 16 jumpers.  Takes between 20 and 30
minutes to climb to 12000'.  Cargo door a bit smaller than an otter.
Usually put lots of useful handles on the outside to assist weird
drag-outs.

>                    too bad they don't have differect engines.

They do have at least 2 choices.  There are the expensive-to-buy,
expensive-to-run slow engines.  Or you can get the cheap-to-buy,
still-expensive-to-run even-slower engines.

>What's this about the tail falling off?

We don't talk about it.  Just climb in the plane and close your eyes
for take-off.  Anton should have kept his mouth shut :-).

Oh all right.  I told you they are a government designed aeroplane.
The tail is designed to be removed easily.  This sounds like a really
dumb idea to me, but aircraft engineers tell me its quite normal.
Makes for some really ugly paint designs when the owners keep swapping
tails over.  Anyway, every so often, all aircraft get mandatory
thingumees (I'm sure there's a correct word) that you have to do the
aeroplane or else their airworthiness certificate is removed.  The last
one for the Nomad was something to strengthen the tail.  Owners were
given 6 months to comply, so I guess they didn't expect the tails to
fall off straight away.  As I said, just close your eyes on take-off
and don't think about it.

There are only 2 Nomads in regular skydiving use, both based at Picton
near Sydney Australia.  One for home DZ use, the other usually hired
out elsewhere.  If you are ever visiting Sydney, look us up.  And
don't worry, both of our Nomads have had the tail mod.  :-) :-)



Bob V!
From: Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: weirdest items lost in freefall
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:34:10 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

In article <1992Jul29.034710.5433@mercury.cair.du.edu>
tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:

>and while Charolyn was here, she stuffed a disposable camera in her jumpsuit
>to take pictures under canopy. when she got under, it was gone. no idea
>how that one happened.

     Someone once tried to take pictures of me with a hand-held
camera and dropped it on opening.  About 8 months later I found
it in a ditch, rather banged up.  When I opened it, it was empty;
the film must have dissolved.

>ok ONE more - in the book United We Fall, someone suggests chasing
>grapefruits in freefall as a way to practice RW skills. i think it would
>b pretty nifty to catch one.

     A couple of us played catch with an orange one time.  It's
hard to catch it because it tends to bounce off your hand before
you can close your fingers around it.  We finally had to dump and
let it go in.  It just sat there beside me until I got line stretch
then took off straight down.

     Some places have done pumpkin passes at Hallowe'en; you
have to spot well away from anyone in case you drop the pumpkin
on opening.  And I've seen film of a watermelon (complete with
bomb fins) splattering quite nicely.

     BTW is anyone else old enough to remember the orange scene
in Sky Capers?

Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca
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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.FIDONET.ORG (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Skydiving in CA
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:13:40 GMT

Reply-to: Brandon.Heess@p6.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Brandon Heess)
Fido-To: bill caefer

 BC> Hey, it's me.  I bet you didn't know I was a jumper eh?

No, I didn't, but let me ask you another question.  Who are you?

 BC> Anyway, see if you can talk Brian into it, and we'll 
 BC> all go some weekend.  There are several places within 
 BC> 60 or 90 minutes of here.

I might be able to talk Brian into it.  My girlfriend and another friend of mine want to go also.


Brandon

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