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From: pascal@CAM.ORG (Pascal Gosselin)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Stereo Review's critical judgement
Date: 5 Jan 93 06:37:53 GMT
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada

tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
>Sounds good to me--I don't suppose you have the number handy of a source
>for those perfectly linear D/A converters?  If they've got distortion-free
>op-amps with infinite slew rates and no offset voltage, noise-free 
>resistors that exactly match their marked value, and entire runs of
>perfectly matched transistors, I'll take some of those too.

Shipment is expected by 2078 :-)

>Oh, yeah; before I forget, check to see if they have perfectly 
>phase-coherent analog anti-aliasing filters. 

Oversampling is over-hyped.

>Well, this isn't exactly scientific, but I did do a single-blind test
>years ago when I picked up a Magnavox CDB-650 to replace an early-80's
>Sony CD player.  (My brother had copies of the same CDs that I did,
>which made AB and ABX testing much easier.)  I didn't have the most 
>impressive stereo around back then, but I recall getting somewhere in
>the neighborhood of a 100% score in being able to guess which was which.

Not bad. Are you sure the output levels for both players was identical ?

My own little test showed that I couldn't tell the difference between
CD and SP-speed copies onto ultra-high-grade VHS Hi-Fi (new deck, top-of-
the-line JVC at the time) tape.

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From: gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green (+61 6 276 6813))
Subject: Re: CD's dig out to PC
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 03:36:37 GMT

In article <93011.134831JDUBIN@auvm.american.edu> Jeff Dubin <JDUBIN@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>Would it be too hard to connect the optical out of a disc player or DAT to a PC
>so that it would be used as an audio source?
>If there is a schematic available, could someone post it or just mail me so
>we could find a way to get it onto the net?  Thanks!
>
>Jeff
>---
>==============
>Jeff Dubin              20 Minutes Into                  Undergraduate at Large
>jdubin@american.edu      The Future...          Intended Major:  Complaints and
>jdubin@world.std.com                                          General Criticizm

Amazing.

I was thinking the exact same thing yesterday!

However, do your sums. CDs have 44,000 (approx) 16 bit samples per second.
Therefore 44,000*16 = 704,000 bits per second!

No way your serial port is gona handle 704Kbps - Sorry.

Good idea thought. :-)

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From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Those b*s*a*ds in the white van - I hope they got them.
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:04:16 GMT

In article <1it0shINNap6@early-bird.think.com> philip@think.com (Philip Mucci) writes:
>	I got taken quite a number a years ago by the very same people.
>They told be at the time that they were BOSE studio speakers being
>delivered to a record co. in the area. I was skeptical at the time - so
>for a test I said ("You realize I am spending my tuition money...if these
>are worthless I can't go to school in the fall.") These SOBs took my money
>anyways and stuck me with garbage. I hope this company, and all the people
>who work for them rot in prison forever. Then again, some liberal judge
>will probably let them off, so they can keep selling they crap. They've
>been doing this for over TEN YEARS NOW! 

Hm.   Why should they be put in jail.   

They mislead you, granted.  But did your bill of sale say they were
Bose speakers.  Did you get a bill of sale.

If they said they were being delivered to a record company - and you
were buying them - that would imply you were going to get stolen goods.
Thats not too swift.

The typical 'pitch' is that 'they ordered 4 speakers and were shipped 4
PAIR so we are trying to sell them'.

I had a guy offer me a pair as he leaned out of his van while we were
both waiting at a red light.

Selling junk - be it speakers or anything else - to gullible customers
by using unbeleivable stories - is something that has been going on as
long as recorded history.

There is nothing illegal about that.


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From: adamg@lemming.csd.sgi.com (Adam Ginsberg)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Dual-Cassette Audio Tape Deck wanted
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:50:19 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1993Jan7.000044.9352@oracle.us.oracle.com>, bmok@uucp (Bert
Mok) writes:
>
>I want to get a new Dual-Cassette Tape Deck.  My price range is $200-300 
>which can be stretched if necessary.
>Features wanted:
>auto-reverse on both transports
>Dolby B & C, HX-Pro 
>recording capabilities on both transports
>auto tape selection
>remote controllable
>music search
>reliable, etc.
>
>Thanks much.
>
>Bert Mok
>Phone: 415-506-2132
>FAX:   415-506-7293
>Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA
>Internet: bmok@oracle.com    UUCP: uunet!oracle!bmok

I just got a Kenwood KWX8040 at Circuit city - It has all
the above features, when used with a Kenwood receiver it
also has remote.  Freq. response and Wow & Flutter are very
good for a < $300 tape deck.  (20-20K {metal}, 0.06%)

The Sony 690 & 790 are a little higher priced and have 
inferior specs, but they come with their own remotes.

You wont find any Yamaha, Denon or Phillips with the same
features for < $300.  - You may find a unit from the above
with a Play-Only deck A for less than $300.

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From: hm002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (PRIMUS SUCKS!)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Info on Sony receiver wanted
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:25:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1i9q4iINN75g@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> creasyg@ava.bcc.orst.edu (Glen Creasy) writes:
>Howdy folks!
>
>I recently bought a Sony STR-AV1070X from Silo.  It was a demo model,
>so I didn't get anything but the unit and the remote.  The sales-
>lady said that I could call Sony and order a manual for it.
>
>Does anyone have an address to write to or a phone number to call
>to order an owner's manual for it?

1-800-222-SONY

>
>Also, if anyone has any comments about this model, I'd be interested
>in hearing them.  I have it hooked up for ProLogic, and it sounds
>pretty good (..vast understatement :-).  
>
>One thing I'm slightly concerned about is some clicking noises coming
>from the surround speakers when I adjust their volume.  One click for
>each push of the volume button.  The graphic equalizer also jumps 
>all the way across the band when I do this.  Are these noises normal?
>
>Also, there is a bit of hiss coming from the surround speakers (rears
>and front).  Is this a normal byproduct of the ProLogic electronics?

I am not sure if the hiss is normal? On my 1090 I get hiss when I turn it up
REAL loud otherwise it is very clean. I do not get those clicks either.

PS
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From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Sony STR-790 *problems*
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:26:39 GMT

ch218@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Erik A. Horn) writes:


>I have noticed most of the people who say they love their
>STR's have had them a short time.  I had mine about 4 months
>when the memory started to malifunction, and two months later
>the 'P' light kept coming on. So you may not be out of the 
>water yet.  Either that or Sony finally fixed the problem
>which would be great.  A lot of 'non-hifi' types trust
>the Sony name, and it would be nice if they delivered what
>they claimed too.  I have noticed that a fan does help,
>so if you notice your reciever does run hot, you may
>wish to put a fan on it.. Hope you guys had better
>luck then some of us others.

 Reliablility problems have most of the dolby Pro-logic receivers in
 the same price category (i.e., Technics, Pioneer etc.)  It seems to
 me that two are the main problems:

 (i) Cheap manifacturing of the products.  In many cases the parts are not
     assembled properly, and usually a problem will arise within a year
     of operation.  That is why, to my opinion, one SHOULD buy extended
     warranty for 5 years.  Note that most receivers in this class come
     with 1 year parts and 90 days labor warranty!!

(ii) Their design, based on the concept "everything in one box" is awfully
     bad.  If one opens a receiver in this class, he will see that the
     amplifier section is only a small part of the box, which cannot be
     cooled properly.  The signal has to pass through many components.
     The more options the receiver has, the worse will sound.  Imagine
     having in one box the tuner, the pre-amplifier, the equalizer, the
     120 w/ch front amplifier, the 75 watts center chan. ampl., the
     25 w/ch rear channels amplifier, etc.  

 My personal experince indicates that simpler designs work better and produce
 cleaner sound too!!  A cheap ($200) 70 watts per channel receiver will
 actually sound better than the expensive ($600) 120 w/ch dolby pro-logic
 receiver of the same brand!!

 Try it for yourself!!

 Panos
From: mjf9968@rigel.tamu.edu (Pi(3.143832666))
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Question about using 6 ohm speakers with 8 ohm only receiver
Date: 9 Jan 1993 16:45 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <79616@hydra.gatech.EDU>, 
gt5708a@prism.gatech.EDU (Preston Hunt) writes...

>So, why do speaker manufacturers make lower impedance speakers? 
> 
>Preston Hunt (gt5708a@prism.gatech.edu)

	It could just be me, but I think you should be
	asking why receiver companies don't make receivers
	that can handle down to 4ohm impedances.  Or more
	exactly why the manufactorer of *your* receiver
	doesn't make it able to drive down to 4ohm loads.
	Mine can.  *nyah*  :P

	Living better through chemistry,
	Mike "Pi" Freeman
	MJF9968@rigel.tamu.edu
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Bose Speakers
Date: 13 Jan 93 02:33:21 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

>schippit@seviche.ycc.yale.edu (Mark G. Schippits) writes:
>
>>The drawback to Bose in all truthfulness is a
>>lack of "powerfull, deep" bass.  Oh yes, they have power alright.  Sales
>>reps plug these speakers directly into house current and the speakers are
>>just as good as they did before the abuse.  No other speaker owner or
>>manufacture would likely try this one.  
>
In article <anand.726859821@cds705> anand@Cadence.COM (Anand Bemra) writes:
>You have me worried Mark. I guess I don't understand what you
>mean. Speakers are connected to the amplifier which in turn is
>connected to the "house current". So what am I missing?
>
   The fact that someone ALLEGEDLY plugs the speakers right into the
   wall outlet.  So the "amplifier" is the power plant, the output
   transformers are distributed along the power line, and only the
   or circuit breaker in the building limits the
   current....depending on the speaker's impedance at 60 Hz.

   Your mis-assumption was "sanity" on the part of the plugger and
   respect for the plugee.  

   Of course in the original article it merely noted that 
   "the speakers are just as good as they did before the abuse".

   [Bose-bash alert]

   This is likely. After all, if you were to ram a Trabant into a
   brick wall, who would notice?   

From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:18:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Stereo Review's critical judgement
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.audio

Maybe you could name one thing made by humans that is "PERFECT".

..Rajiv
----------

How about Love?  Wild sex?

8-)

Kirk out
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From: ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (LAiRD j. NeLSoN)
Subject: Re: MiniDiscs -- What Are They?
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:54:03 GMT

I guess I missed the boat on this one...

Can somebody either (re)post the differences between Philips' DCC and Sony's
MiniDisc formats, or mail me such a posting?  As I remember, DCC is 16 bit
but 32kHz and compressed to within an inch of its life.  I *thought* MiniDisc
was slightly more accurate, but after reading about various benchmark tests,
it sounds like that's not the case.

On a side note, can someone explain to me the bizarre marketing strategy
that Sony must have had in mind which led them to advertise a portable MD
*player* for $500?  If the recorder is only $100 extra, and roughly the 
same size and portability, then, uh, what's the point?

Curiously,
LAiRD

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From: hm002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (PRIMUS SUCKS!)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Center Channel Speaker for Pro-Logic set up
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:16:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1993Jan8.205242.22023@gvl.unisys.com> garyp@rmtc.paramax.com (Gary Palangian [RMTC/ISP]) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.194131.4463@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, hm002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (PRIMUS SUCKS!) writes:
>|> In article 
>|> 
>|> I am looking for a low-mid range center channel speaker for my Pro-Logic amp
>|> (Sony 1090). How is the Infinity Video One speaker? My price range is 150
>|> dollars and less. The speaker must be able to handle at least 75 watts of
>|> power and I think it has to have an 8 ohm impedence? I would prefer
>|> soemthing that would also fit on top of my TV (Panasonic 2780SF) which is
>|> about 27" wide by 7.5" deep. Right now I am leaning towards the Infinity
>|> Video-1 which can be had locally for 139.99, is the speaker good, and worth
>|> it?
>|> Hasit
>|>  
>
>Hey Now Hasit,
>
>A friend just got the Video 1.  He is very happy with it.  He says
>he never knew what he was missing until he got a center channel.  He
>says the Video-1 sounds very musical, whatever that means.
>
>On the economic side... He bought his for $108 + tax at a local shop.
>He called his insurance company to see what deal they would get and
>he got the same deal.  Pretty slick, heh?
>
>
>Party On...
>
>Gary P.

This brings me to my next question anyone know of a good (and cheap) place
to order the Infinity One speaker from?
Hasit
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From: bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu (Bil Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Was Technics 1200 stopping query
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:46:17 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

ldormon@uk.oracle.com writes:

>Hello all
>	Why do some SL-1200(10) stop dead when you push start/stop and some
>slow down quite alot and then carry on spinning slowly, I know they have
>electronic braking, but sometimes it happens on the same deck.

I'm assuming that you are refering to turntables.  I've noticed this also, 
but never on the same turntable.  My 1200's stop immediately, while those
at the club that I work wind down slowly.  Perhaps it has something to do
with the age of the unit (i.e., when it was manufactured)?

In a related subject, does anyone know how to disengage the quartz lock on
the pitch control?  I have heard that it makes DJ mixing a lot easier.
Does anyone have any comments regarding this?

Bil Gonzalez
bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu
From: gmaltby@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za (Gavin Maltby)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Losing My Religion (Was...many times tangentially removed)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:16:15 GMT
Organization: University of Natal, Pietermaritzburg, South Africa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pc035.cc.unp.ac.za

In article <shetline-110193103121@128.89.19.85> shetline@bbn.com (Kerry Shetline) writes:

>I'm not sure if you are saying that you tested coax vs. optical at the long
>distance, or just tested coax vx. optical at a short distance, and then
>optical with the transport in another room. It sounds like the latter.

Optical was better than coax at any distance.  It is most marked at
long distance.  Only in that configartion did the Wadia really show
its worth.

>As you may have guessed, I'm not much of a believer in the idea that
>vibration of a CD transport (at a level insufficient to cause mistracking)
>can have any audible effect. Certainly microphonics isn't a likely
>candidate for an effect, nor mechanical jitter. ('Tiptoe' through the
>tulips...)

Try it!  Empirical evidence nulls heaps of dry speculation.

>There is one very good possibility, however: Removing the mechanical noise
>of the transport from your listening room. The tranport may seem very
>quiet, but when compared to the levels of some noise that audiophiles pay
>significant amounts of money to reduce (tiny amounts of AC hum in power
>supplies, small noise shaping effects in digital processing, logic/audio
>circuit interactions, etc.), the noise of the transport is probably an
>order or two of magnitude higher.

One can *just* hear the transport running, if you concentrate very hard
in a quiet room late at night.

>Does this seem reasonable to you? If it's not too much trouble, perhaps you
>could try some sort of additional experiment, like putting the transport in
>the other room, but placing something on top of it to induce vibration --
>like a boom box, a blender, or an electric pencil sharpener. Of course, the
>level of noise that escapes to your listening room would have to be less
>than the tiny (probably nearly sumbliminal) level of noise that the
>transport would produce while in the listening room, so it would be hard to
>know if you had a good setup. Well, it's just an idea.

And it a load of crap, too!  Not worth responding too.

>Another posibility would be acoustic resonance with some part of the
>transport itself -- but that's really fishing! Easy to test though: try
>some other source of music, with and without the transport in the room.

No chance.

>If your ears are this sensitive, however, you're going have to start rating
>your friends, family, and household pets by their acoustic interaction
>qualities. That high-frequency absorbing fluffy cat will just have to go!
>;-)

More crap.  The differneces are very marked.

>-Kerry

Gavin
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From: gfl@herahera.cc.bellcore.com (lenahan,grant f)
Subject: Re: How can different digital cables sound different?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 14:34:26 GMT
Summary: not usually bit errors ...

gmaltby@unpcs1.cs.unp.ac.za (Gavin Maltby) writes:
> I get the feeling that many of the people that have contributed to this
> discussion/argument have little to no experience of high-end DAC's and
> transports.

Some of us do ...

> I have another question.  Much of this argument seems to be that if two
> transports can read precisely the same material off a CD, then they
> should deliver exactly the same material to a DAC because we are working
> in a digital domain.

stuff deleted ...

> I agree that with the present method
> of transmission from transport to DAC there can and will be errors, and these
> won't be corrected by retransmission because there is no protocol in force.

This is generally not the case.  Even read RHs Stereophile article,
in which he concluded that bit errors are not the problem.  Also 
witness the subjective (and reportedly measured) iomprovement in
Linn's system with and without timing feedback.  Linn does NOT
claim a BER improvement.  However, several DPs with jitter control
perform well subjectively, and, given a jig to vary jitter, I feel
that repeatable results can be generated.  IMNSHO. :-) :-)

> My question is:  why not

'cuz if you believe me (and you probably don't) - it isn't necessary.
Plus, some correction DOES take place, and interpolation works below
most folks hearing thresholds.

Grant
ps: um, if we really care about figuring out improvements, 
can we dump the polarized arguaments and focus on more likely
goals.  Nah, never happen.
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From: ldormon@uk.oracle.com
Subject: Technics 1200 stopping query
Reply-To: ldormon@uk.oracle.com
Organization: Oracle Corp
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:39:48 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

Hello all
	Why do some SL-1200(10) stop dead when you push start/stop and some
slow down quite alot and then carry on spinning slowly, I know they have
electronic braking, but sometimes it happens on the same deck.

Any thoughts ?

Lee

ldormon@uk.oracle.com


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From: jlee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Chee-Yoon Lee)
Subject: BMG phone number & "don't send me CDs" option
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 07:43:02 GMT

Thanks for all those who replied.  I asked these questions about BMG:

1) Is there a toll free 800 number?

No.  There was one at one point, but apparently, so many people called it
that they decided to cancel the number.  There is an office phone number
for BMG, but I unfortunately didn't record it from the replies.

2) Is it possible to ask them not to automatically send me the selection of
   the month, but still get the catalogs each month?

Yes.  You have to be a good customer; or you can tell them that you'll be
away from your address for a while; or tell them that sometimes your mail
takes a month to get to you, so it's not your fault that you don't send
back the silly card in time.

Hope this is useful.

Joe

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From: khann@ecf.toronto.edu (KHAN NAJEEB MOHAMMED)
Subject: PSB Alpha or Paradigm Titan
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:09:39 GMT

Hi!

I would like some feedback about these two speakers.  I would especially
be interested in direct comparisions between the two.  Which do you think
is better?  

Thanks in advance!

Najeeb

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From: dchien@ada.seas.ucla.edu (David H. Chien)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Ultimate Walkman Stores?
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:10:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles


   I'm looking for a mail order store that carries feature-packed, high-end
Walkmans (not limited to Sony's only).  I've seen some pretty awesome 
portables advertised within some Japanese goods magazines, such as Mono,
and these are the ones I would like.  Should have good prices and reliable,
honest service.
   david :)  adorable@cerf.net  
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