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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 10:00:23 EST
From:         Felix <LYBBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Where to get cheap lights?
              19 Nov 1992 21:46:08 GMT from <bc338569@LONGS.LANCE.COLOSTATE.EDU>

                  Brian, I have purchased in the past a cheap revolving light f
rom J.C.Whitney & CO. They are located in chicago IL and their phone No. is :
(312) 431-6102. You can either request a catalog or ask them for their :Quartz-
Halogen Warning Light part #: 81-3742-W for the red. The price right now is
$ 29.99. It should what you wanted and it's the cheapest that I know of in the
industry.  I hope it helps you.


                                                          felix
From: Bill.Green@f201.n142.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Green)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: DIAL UP HAZ MAT INFORMATION
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:00:00 -0800

Does anyone know of a dial-up service for Haz-mat information (such as a
dial-up for Chemtrec) or other information services that can be actually
used in an emergency.
That way my fire department can use the computer for more than the fire
marshal's assinine records and the commissioners playing golf

thanks,

Bill Green
Firefighter extradonare
Harwinton F.D.
P.O. box 281
harwinton, ct 06791  
 

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From: Shreyas.Shah@f303.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Shreyas Shah)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: FOREIGN LANGUAGE TRANS.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:32:46 -0800

This sounds like a great idea and might do well in training but there
may 
not be too many field uses for it (except for the laptop/notebook
users). It 
might be good in a dispatch room or 911 receiving area where languages
are 
limited. I personally have found using an old-fashioned 'cheat sheet'
with 
phrases I need to work just fine. I've found that my proficiency with
the 
language has also greatly improved. Perhaps you might consider
customizing 
your program and incorporating it into other medical related software
and 
then target specific languages to locales based on major ethnic groups
and 
languages.
 
Shreyas
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From:         Diana DeNearing <diana@PRO-BERKS.CTS.COM>
Subject:      Re: HELLO

Welcome to the net.. A word of advice.. call fairly often or you'll soon be
swamped with info.. :) The people here have a tendency to talk a lot!
Diana
From: George.Vaisey@f237.n260.z1.fidonet.org (George Vaisey)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Dispatch - Software
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:42:00 -0800

Jesse,
        If you are still interested in a FREE? dispatching system write
me and let me know.  It involves tieing a computer into your radio and
from there with Quick Basic you can simulate fire tones.  I have done
this allot and have FUN with it.  It has a 50/50 chance of working but a
penny saved is penny earned.  Write me back.

                            George Vaisey
                            30 Fourth Avenue
                            Rochester, N.Y.
                               14612
                         (716) 227-4650

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From: Terry.Gendreau@f17.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Terry Gendreau)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: problems in the offic
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 10:12:00 -0800

JL>How about a plastic or aluminum SEAL across the handles of the kit,
JL>marked with the date of the last check or restock of the kit, and
who
JL>did the check, restock, or seal. The seal is broken every time the
kit

This is a good way of knowing when the equipment has been accessed, but
still doesn't address the problem of stopping the outflow. Is the
equipt.
being re-routed by in-house personnel or by passers-by ? If the local
Joe
Citizen is doing the lifting, then nothing short of an armed guard,
german
shephard, and high security locks will stop the pilfering. BUT, if
in-house people are filching, it sounds like a major RE-TRAINING is
needed
especially in the professionalism dept. 'cause if the "pros" can't see
the
need for the ready status of equipment, then there are no pros around


....T


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From: Regina.Detwiler@p2.f190.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Regina Detwiler)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: volunteers
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:40:10 -0800

My opinion is - just because you have a blue light (here in PA, that's
what
the vol. have) on top of your car, doesn't give you the right to drive
like
a nut!  No, I am not just a female trying to find something to gripe
about.
I am 24, and ya sometimes I like to drive fast to.  But not to the point

were you are pushing people out of the way and might cause an accident 
themselves.  My husbands a firefighter, so I know how important they
are, 
but don't you think they aught to set an example for other people, 
especially young kids.  I've even heard of young guys just joining the
fire
station just so they can speed,by just having that light on there car. 

Well, I think that is BULL.  It doesn't seem to hard to get into a
station 
- just as long as you know someone and haven't committed
murder!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, that all for now.
    
 GINA DETWILER

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From: Jim.Henthorn@f1044.n261.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Henthorn)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: E911 Implementation
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 10:09:00 -0800

On 11-20-92, Wes Williams said to Barbara Mezzanini and I quote:

Hi Guy!

WW>The municipal alarm system is still the 1800's Gamewell stuff. Not 
WW>that Gamewell did it wrong, it's the ancient underground wires that
are 
WW>failing.

Things underground do that from time to time... wonder if we should put

them overhead??? :-)
 
WW>Turf hassles are surfacing about the 911 stuff, Police say they 
WW>should be in charge, Fire says, oughta be some combination control,
EMS 
WW>is a private contractor and goes with the flow.

The Police stance fits with our experience.  Generally, they believe
that 
they should be in charge of everything they are involved in.  Happened 
here.  Not surprised that it happened to you.  Must be their training...

:-(  Leads to hase, Maryland  BBS: 301-261-5644 VETLink #5  Fred
SochackiPassaic, New Jersey  BBS: 201-778-1879  VETLink #9   Harlow
CampbellMerrimac, New Hampshire  BBS: 603-424-4915 VETLink #10  Bruce
BowmanDearborn, Michigan   BBS: 313-562-0051 VETLink #11  Robert
JohnsonDayville, Connecticut   BBS: 203-779-3173 VETLink #12 3 << 
Eric PagePortales, New Mexico   BBS: 505-359-0668 MorrisWest Haven,
Connecticut  BBS: 203-934-9852 VETLink #16   << DOWN until 11/15/92 >>
Bob W
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From: Mark.Simpson@f85.n282.z1.fidonet.org (Mark Simpson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Safety Principles...
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:00:00 -0800

I found this in an EMS newsletter:

SAFETY PRINCIPLES YOU CAN LIVE BY:

1.      Find out where you're going -- THEN roll.

2.      It doesn't do any good to get halfway there really fast.

3.      Your siren is something people loan you so you can ask for
        the right of way. Sometimes they don't hear it; sometimes
        they say no.

4.      If rescue vehicles were race cars, they wouldn't look so
        funny.

5.      It's not YOUR emergency. It's somebody else's emergency.
        You're going to get there as soon as it's safe, then
        you're going to do your very best to help. That might not
        be good enough, and if it's not, you still did your best.

6.      Check it -- don't just gamble on it. Your equipment
        doesn't work and probably isn't there -- unless you check
        it and prove otherwise.

7.      SAFETY supersedes the importance of everything that will
        happen on this responce.

8.      Before you run a red light, STOP. Let the other cars do
        what they're going to do. Then proceed, and don't get mad.
        If people mess with you, they'll probably go to hell
        anyway.

9.      All equipment fails at some time. This equipment could
        fail this time.

10.     Close calls are crashes that don't happen because you're
        lucky. If you have a lot of close calls, there is
        something wrong with your driving.

This was taken from the "CoResponder", a newsletter for western
Wisconsin CFR & EMS personnel. Mailing address:

Coulee Region First Responder Assoc.
PO Box 143
Holmen  WI   54636

-Mark

 * SLMR 2.1a * Once in a while, I screw up and do something right.


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From: deglop@donald.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Jacob DeGlopper)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Short, personal, annoying, space eating, time consuming messages
Date: 17 Nov 1992 19:01:18 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Electrical Engineering, CWRU, Cleve. OH
NNTP-Posting-Host: donald.eeap.cwru.edu

In article <722009561.F00031@remote.halcyon.com> Joe.Nicholson@f123.n202.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Nicholson) writes:

>And we're courteous enough to follow echo rules about posting full
>names.  We don't hide behind an alias.

All this fighting is a bit silly, really.

There are conflicts between the nets; that's obvious.  No one is trying to
hide behind an alias; the news system attaches real names to the From:
field, and to use your own words, if your system can't deal with it, that's
your problem.  Fido echo rules can't be automatically applied to the Usenet
newsgroup and Internet/BITNET mailing list versions of this group.  For the
rare cases when news systems aren't in compliance with the RFCs, there are
.signature files.  Obnoxious, garish .signatures are a problem in most
groups, usually with new users, just as new BBS users sometimes seem to
have a problem with the Caps Lock key.


-- 
         Jacob DeGlopper, EMT-A, Wheaton (MD) Volunteer Rescue Squad
            -- CWRU Biomedical Engineering - jrd5@po.cwru.edu --
From: Shreyas.Shah@f303.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Shreyas Shah)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: FIELD INTERNSHIP
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:44:21 -0800

JM> I have read many a message either addresed to you or from you, and
was   
  wondering what your affiliation was?
 
Sorry about that, I am currently a Paramedic with NYC EMS (Station 34)
and 
work in Brooklyn. I just had a student from your program over this
summer. I 
think she just graduated.I don't know if you know her but her name is
Annie 
Gjelsvik. She is currently the Supervisor of EMS at Brown University.
We've 
also had students from Springfield Mass., Northeastern Univ. etc. It
would be 
great to meet up with you. Perhaps you could ride on my unit when you're
down 
here. (It's 34W3). Pizza and Beer certainly sound good to me! Where are
you 
working when you're not involved with school? Where do you intend to go
(or 
stay) after school. Would love to hear more about it.
                                                     

Shreyas Shah NREMT-P
NYC * EMS Station 34


BTW when you do come down, bring extra patches!
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:50:04 -0500
From:         AIRBORNE THE FIREMAN IS BACK <CDUNBAR@UNTVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: recerts.

Subject: Reimbursement for training, etc.

Our fire department (Cypress Creek Volunteer Fire Department, located in
Northwest unincorperated Harris County, Houston, Texas) has a pretty good
reimbursement policy.  A firefighter attending a training session or conference
outside of the department who has the chief's approval will have all expences
acquired during  transportation to and from, lodging, meals, fees, parking,
etc. reimbursed.  There are some requirements, however.

        1.      FF's must fill out an expenditure request form before a
                pre-determined dead-line
        2.      FF's must fill out an out-of-department training form
        3.      The chief and captain of the respective station must sign
                both forms
        4.      The FF must log his/her mileage
        5.      The FF must retain all of his/her receipts
        6.      The FF must return with a certificate for completing the course
        7.      After returning, the FF must fill out a reimbursement request
                form, where he/she must list all expenditures under certain
                categories, such as mileage ($.26 per mile), gas, lunch, supper,
                   breakfast, hotel-motel, etc.......

        8.      ALL RECEIPTS MUST BE TURNED IN WITH THE REIMBURSEMENT FORM
                BECAUSE ONLY THOSE ITEMS WILL BE REIMBURSED

I believe that if a FF paid for 2 lunches for one day, he/she would be
responsible for one of those (2 lunches, 1 breakfast, 1 supper during one day
for himself/herself.)  Also, spending $40.00 at Red Lobster for yourself might
cause you to receive wry looks from the cheif =)

The above rules apply to training schools, training seminars, and expos.
The chief must approve the expences (they will reserve a hotel/motel for you),
the training, and the reimbursement.  I wish to stress that this is
REIMBURSEMENT UPON SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION, if for training.

I hope this information will help someone.

Christophe
From: Blake.Bowers@f33.n116.z1.fidonet.org (Blake Bowers)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: short, personal, anno
Date: 21 Nov 92 07:05:24 GMT


 -=> Quoting Joe Nicholson to Blake Bowers <=-

 JN> Blake Bowers was overheard stating:
 
 BB>    Here in Nashville, a move is about to take the Arson
Investigation
 BB> responsibility away from the Fire Marshalls office.  The Mayor,
has
 BB> decided that it would be better served by being part of the Police
dept.
 JN> Several large cities now have a MAST - Metro Arson Strike Team -
 JN> composed of both fire investigators and police officers.  The
advantage
 JN> is that the fire personnel are trained and experienced in
determining
 JN> origin/cause of incidents, and the officers are trained and
experienced
Metro Nashville has used that concept, loosely, and it works great, but
the
proposal is to take the FD completely out of the loop.  There will no
longer
be any firefighter, or anyone with firefighting experience assigned to
arson.


... Call 911 - Make a Fireman Come!
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From: Paul.Kasper@f503.n137.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Kasper)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: DIAL UP HAZ MAT INFORMATION
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:17:22 -0800

BG> Does anyone know of a dial-up service for Haz-mat information (such
as a
BG> dial-up for Chemtrec) or other information services that can be
actually
BG> used in an emergency.
BG> That way my fire department can use the computer for more than the
fire
BG> marshal's assinine records and the commissioners playing golf
 
try cameo program through fema..it can even include mapping of your
area
BG> thanks,
 
BG> Bill Green
BG> Firefighter extradonare
BG> Harwinton F.D.
BG> P.O. box 281
BG> harwinton, ct 06791
 
 
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From: Rick.Wilson@f2112.n327.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Wilson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Hazard lights on emergenc
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:26:05 -0800

wv> Hey Rick,
wv> Sorry but you got names crossed.

Interesting...cuz I never change the To: part of messages....ah well!

wv> Sorry but you got names crossed.  I KNOW what's out there.
wv> I've been active on my local FD/rescue & First Aid Squad
wv> (FAS) for 23+ years. (Also been FD driver for 10+ years and
wv> one of our town's Fire Police for 7+ years). I've been
wv> behind the wheel of an ambulance or loaded fire truck and
wv> had many a crazy drivers pull some real stunts (ever tried
wv> stopping a Mack Pumper, in the rain, in 20' (at 30MPH)???
wv> It's lots of fun. Wish people would learn what the red
wv> lights and siren means...It could be their house or family
wv> THIS TIME, we're going to assist. TTYL Bill   EMT-A    NJ
wv> State Fire Police

A TV station in Providence is running stories on this type of activity.
People who don't get out of the way of emergency vehicles....STUPID
people!!!

I didn't get to catch it as a station in Hartford is running a series on
BBSs that carry adult files...and the TV station is basically saying
BBSs are child molestor hangouts. :(

Ah well...back to the topic of this echo! :)

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Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:11:14 CST
From:         Marco Antonio Esparza Esparza <AL283320@VMTECSLP.BITNET>
Subject:      Foreign languages

From Marco A. Esparza to BARBARA MEZZANINI:

  Hello Barbara. I'm a EMT-A student, new in this bitnet thing.
I read your mail asking for translating languages.
I'm from Mexico and I speak spanish, so if you want me to translate
something from english to spanish, just send me the things you want
me to translate.

WAITING FOR YOUR ANSWER...

Marco Antonio Esparza Esparza
AL283320@VMTECSLP.
From: Rick.Wilson@f2112.n327.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Wilson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Emergency Show
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:58:02 -0800

Bill...

13 Nov 92, Bill Wood writes to All:

 BW> From: abcs3500@Oswego.EDU (Bill Wood)
 BW> Reply-To: abcs3500@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Bill Wood)

 BW> In article <721444696.F00016@remote.halcyon.com>
 BW> Rick.Wilson@f2112.n327.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Wilson) writes:

 >>gs> Mayfair, or was it Mayhew. The mere fact that I can remember
 >>gs> that much
 >>gs> proves that a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
 >>
 >> Mayfair. :)
 >>

 BW>  wasn't there also Schaefer's ambulance service?? I seen to
remember that
 BW> name from early(?) episodes???

I don't recall...it's been a LONG TIME since I've seen that show. :)

Rick

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From: Gary.Reardon@f131.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Gary Reardon)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Echolist
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 14:33:41 -0800

In a msg on <Nov 11 22:29>, Ed Mccormick of 1:2600/150 writes:

BG>> the same thing several months ago, hoping to draw interest to
BG>>  more SPECIFIC fire/ems related echos and finally added them 
BG>> to EMERGNET.  Although the volume of traffic is less than 
BG>> FIRENET, they are in more detail for the target audience.
BG>>
BG>> I support the FIRENET echo and love to read the messages.  
BG>> The ones we have in EMERGNET now only enforce FIRENET, and 
BG>> don't bore the general user.  But, with several of the big 
BG>> boards coming on line, we need to be sure and cross post some 
BG>> of the more general information for these readers.
BG>>

 EM>    It is very necessary to cross post as required.  I still
 EM>    would like to see some movement to one net.  Those brothers 
 EM>    who spend so much time with the Nets they have, could consider
 EM>    providing the knowledge and expertise to enhance the one net
 EM>    idea.  It can be done....Still understanding we will not take
 EM>    away from FIDO.  

As a step in that direction, EmergNet is willing to carry any echo (no
matter what net it originates from) related to emergency services. More
& more networks emerging will only dilute the existing user base and
force then to choose which ones to carry so they don't have to make
multiple LD calls.
EmergNet also has the capabilities to gate any echo, with sufficient
usage, to the Fido bacbone (as we do now with CRASH, EMS & SAR).

GMR

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From: Regina.Detwiler@p2.f190.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Regina Detwiler)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: volunteers and there lights
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:20:39 -0800

DC>         against the use of lights in volunteer's vehicals. I must
tell
DC>         you tho..I am definitely in FAVOR of the use of lights. I
have a
DC>         lightbar on my truck and two strobe flashers on my front
bumper,
DC>         and I have no intentions of ever getting rid of them,
unless
DC>         ofcourse the KGB comes and takes them off themselves.


I will agree that they should be allowed to have lights on there cars. 
The
responsible people!  What about the junior firefighters that just
started 
driving and the younger, imature regular firefighters that just want to

join to say HA!HA!  I am a firefighter, i have a light and i can drive 
however the **** I want!  I am not saying that all FF are that way, but

there are a FEW out there, that are as i explained.  That's all.

**GINA**

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From: Blake.Bowers@f33.n116.z1.fidonet.org (Blake Bowers)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: ambulance cert
Date: 21 Nov 92 07:05:21 GMT


 -=> Quoting Andy Spinella to Blake Bowers <=-

 AS> as far as i know no state allows low/high top or caddy ambulances
any
 AS> more do to the fact most ambulance serveces now must be ALS
certified
 AS> carrying at least 1 paramedic on board.  with the low top and
caddy
Interesting thought, I was not aware of states requiring most services
to 
be ALS certified.  TN, which has one of the most progressive EMS
systems,
along with CA and FL, has many EMS providers, and con services that are
sctrictly BLS.  I know that many states in the mid west still use
hitops.
Thanks for the reply.


... Remember when safe sex was using a alias?
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From: Blake.Bowers@f33.n116.z1.fidonet.org (Blake Bowers)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: short, personal, anno
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:05:40 -0800

 -=> Quoting Jpn1 to All <=-

 Jp> From: jpn1@CRUX2.CIT.CORNELL.EDU

 Jp> Hi!!!!!
HI!

 Jp> I would like to address the issue of the large number of short,

 Jp> I notice a lot of these are coming from FidoNet.  I don't know
why,
 Jp> but you guys should be a little more considerate.  Please realize
that
 Jp> not inexhaustable.  Here's a hint:  If you start the message with
a
 Jp> person's name it could probably be sent through e-mail.  Also,
think
Well, Here is a Hint, Not all FidoNet Nodes have E-mail.

 Jp> Annoyed in ithaca....
Annoyed in Nashville.  Sorry we here on Fido can not do things quite as

well as those on Internet.
There are differences in the two systems, and seems to me we should be 
able to meet halfway, I personally would like to see a little less of
the Pi**ing and M***ing that the internet users seem to be so fond of. 
Would be a shame to have a dead echo, just because no one wanted to post
on
a echo where everyone gave up due to various problems.  
Now, could we get to Firefighting?
   Here in Nashville, a move is about to take the Arson Investigation  
responsibility away from the Fire Marshalls office.  The Mayor, has
decided
that it would be better served by being part of the Police dept.  No
mention
has been made as to whether or not the present investigative staff would
be
transfered to the PD, but past behaviour has shown that the staff would

probably be reassigned within the fire department.  
   Also at the same time, the Mayors Idiots, I mean staff has said that
they
want to change the requirement for Chief, deleting the requirement that
the 
chief ever had front line firefighting experience, and requiring
college.  

   Any Comments?

... Music City USA, Nashville TN!
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