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From: tylock@bisco.kodak.com (Steve Tylock)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SF-49ers... Fumble Return
Keywords: Fantasy Scoring...
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:26:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Nov6.182617.11920
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastman Kodak


In our fantasy league, the score counts for the special teams / defense.
Our logic has been refined over a couple years of special events.  Since
our scoring comes from the game summaries in the USA [or other reliable]
paper, the score must not depend on having watched the play.

Any score that reads XXX yards run scores a running TD for the player XX.
Any score that reads XXX yards pass from ZZZ scores a pass TD for XXX and ZZZ.
Any score that reads field goal or pat scores for the player(s) involved.

Any score that reads "interception", "fumble", "blocked", or "return"
scores for the defense.  (as well as safetys)

This makes it very easy to define how a score happens.  As has been said
here, the moment a fumble happens, the offense essentially becomes a 
defense.  However the papers report it (and presumably the NFL recorded it)
is how we score it.

Consider other cases:
QB passes to player for pat
player runs in pat
fake FG - second string QB throws to 1'st string WR
FG attempt - kicker runs or throws a TD

we rule all the above as offensive scores.  [Yes, we gave Miller the points
for kicking the field goal(s?) last year]  We let any player at a position
score for all of the things they do.

We do not list defenive players, but play the whole team, below are STD scores:
Blocked kick, starting WR recovers for TD
Intercepted pass is fumbled, returned by a lineman for a TD

The essential point has to be - is it clear from the writeup what happened?
In Sherrard's case, what if a lineman had recovered the fumble and scored?
What if Sherrard plays on kickoffs and recovered a fumble for the TD?
[would it look any different?]  I didn't see the game, but knew that
Sherrard is a WR.  I had thought the score came on a punt or kickoff or
something....   (what if Sherrard was on for a defensive play?)
[[what if it was Atlanta and D. Sanders was listed instead?-]]
[[[was he playing WR or CB?-]]]  -  The point is you couldn't tell.

It makes for unhappy player owners when the team gets the score, but it
is fair for all.  [Minnesota & Walker was a good combo in the past,  Walker
had great scores, but a bunch counted for the STD;-]

The other interesting one was Largent's run in of a pat;-)

steve
tylock@kodak.com
From: jw5f+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Wayne Weber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Koontz Computer Predictions - Week 11
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:36:51 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Sophomore, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

After looking at the predications, I can't help but comment.

1. Green Bay will not beat Philly 38-3, guaranteed.

2. Rams over Dallas, Detroit over Pgh, naa.

3. Minnesota will not blow out Houston 51-3, it just won't happen.

Otherwise, those other picks are possible, but some are still unlikely.

j w w

Period.
From: JMC162@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Miami Dolphins 6-1
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:40:23 GMT
 <92306.194257JMC162@psuvm.psu.edu> <t_trunc.8@chips.bash.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

Oh no!  Oh no!  Lock the doors.  Put the children to bed.  Shut the windows.  R
oby is back!  Look out!  AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!  If punting is what determines thi
s game I won't post EVER again.


Joe Calabrese - A Frank Reich Wanna Be - I'll take Frank over The Fishes World
league backup anyday.
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From: kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: 2,000 yard rusher
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:23:00 GMT

In article <92314.091550RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET>, RZANDBER@ESOC.BITNET (RENE ZANDBERGEN)      writes...
>OJ Simpson was the first ever to do it, and Dickerson the only other
>player. Didn't he accomplish this in his rookie year? Didn't he
>even do it twice? Or maybe the first time he only came very
>close (like 1995 or so).
> 
>Rene Zandbergen

If I remember correctly, Dickerson gained 1808 yards rushing his first year in 
1983 (?). That broke the rookie record for rushing but I do not remember who 
had it before him. Also, Curt Warner came into the NFL the same year and broke 
the AFC rookie rushing record with "Ground Chuck's" Seattle team.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Bengals Fanatic" 
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Bills in 1st..suprise,surprise
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 23:22:57 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov5.172532.8855@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi) writes:
>I was expecting this kind of a response--the tiebreaker does officially put
>Miami in first but you can look at it another way.  The Bills play the Fish
>on MNF.  As long as they both win or both lose, the teams will be tied.  So no
>matter who has the official tiebreaker now, the winner of that game will be   
>in sole possession of 1st place.  Until then, each team can consider itself
>in "1st" place because they each control their own destiny.
>
>Bill in 1st...on to the SB!
>
>Imran Qureshi
>
>>Bedford MA 01730


Well, not necessarily.  If the Dolphins lose to the Colts this week, but then
beat the Bills in Miami, they would still be tied, and Miami would still have
the advantage.  

-- 
David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packers 7 - Giants 27 (Packer & Giant fan perspective)
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:16:53 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Nov10.164338.22847@macc.wisc.edu>
heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM ) writes:

> >> The Packer defense kept good pressure on Hostetler all day.  They 
> >> ended up with 3 sacks for -13 yards.  Tony Bennett had 2.5.  I don't 
> >> know who had the other 1/2.  The big story though is that the Packers
> >> kept the #1 rushing offense in the NFC (NFL?) to just 57 yards.
> > 
> >Well, I don't know about good pressure...IMHO, Hoss had more time in
> >the pocket than he's ever had in any game this season.  Also, IMO, the
> >sacks registered by the Packers were more coverage sacks than
> >anything.
> 
> I guess I would basically agree.  (Although if that's the most time 
> Hoss has had all year I think you got problems.)  
                        ^ ^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^^
Yep, if not problems, at least a mystery...can't seem to figure out the
O-line of the Giants.  They've never been too hot at pass blocking, but
are usually very effective in the running game.  And against the Pack,
they couldn't get the running game going. One thing I noticed was the
Giants kept trying to get around the end against Green Bay and failed
time after time.  Have other teams had success running around the ends
on Green Bay?  


Mike Colburn                         =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Dartmouth-Hitchcock                  "Pulu-see-ba-goomba" -- Gilligan 
Medical Center                       =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Lebanon, New Hampshire  03756        :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)
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From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna)
Subject: Re: Indoor vs. Outdoor (was Re: WIZARD PREDICTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!)
Organization: Houses of the Holy
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 18:08:00 GMT

In article <spl2.71.721328187@po.cwru.edu>, spl2@po.cwru.edu (Sam Lubchansky) writes:
> In article <1992Nov9.162203.2306@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna) writes:
> >From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna)
> >Subject: Re: Indoor vs. Outdoor (was Re: WIZARD PREDICTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!)
> >Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 16:22:03 GMT
> >In article <1992Nov7.202330.23976@linus.mitre.org>, lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
> >> In article <Ueyp_Ei00WDK45moMA@andrew.cmu.edu>, Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> >> >> Key Matchup -               Pittsburgh at Buffalo        Buffalo by 3
> >> >>                     It sure is tough to win in Buffalo in sub-freezing
> >> >> 		temps.  Pittsburgh in spot for big let down!
> >> >
> >> >No offense (and no flame) intended but just what the hell do you think
> >> >the weather is like in Pittsburgh, eh? Take my word for it: it ain't
> >> >toasty! :)
> >> 
> >> Is the Steelers home field indoors or outdoors?  Does anybody have a list of
> >> who plays indoors and who plays outdoors?  This data should become more of a
> >> factor as the weather gets colder.
> >> 
> >
> >The Steelers definitely play outdoors; I can remeber that frozen field
> >in December every year.  Lets try this from memory:
> >
> >
> >NFC Central
> >Pats:  Outdoor (I think they moved from a domed to 
> >        a grass field last year)
> >
> >Please feel free to correct since these are off the top of my head.
> >
> >
> >-- 
> >Nitin Khanna.  I Teach Eunuchs - I mean Unix.
> >Go Knicks, Jays, Broncos, Devils.


Not good to play with other peoples .sigs.


> 
> Glad to correct.  Being a self-proclaimed authority on football (in fact, 
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Are you talking about me or you?  I have never proclaimed to be an
authority on football.


> all sports in general),  you were wrong twice.  Contrary to what numerous 
> people have stated on this newsgroup, the Cowboys do not play indoors.  
> They do play on artificial turf, but Texas Stadium in Irvine is NOT a 
> dome.  It is unusual, however, since it has a partial roof with a large 
> rectangular hole in it - roughly the size of the field - which provides for 
> strange shadowing during games.  This is not a retractable roof as someone 

Well then if it is part dome and part not; couldnt we consider it either
way? :)

(One of my rare smilies; I only give myself 10 smilies per season)


> else previously posted.  Your other error is with the Patriots.  They have 
> always played outdoors for home games.
> 

You're right; what I meant to say was that the Pats moved 
from artificial turf to grass last year (or so I think).



>  
> 
> 
-- 
Nitin Khanna.  I Teach Eunuchs - I mean Unix.
Go Bulls, Bears, Broncos, Blackhawks.
From: drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: GOD WILL GO 19-0 AND WIN THE SUPER BOWL!!!
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:08:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: pbhya.1992Nov5.150826.27776
Reply-To: drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

In article <1992Nov4.221929.3835@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.151940.17756@news2.cis.umn.edu> dubear@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (Dubear Kroening) writes:
>>Hmmmm, if I recall correctly, didn't the Packers beat GOD in the preseason?
>
>Yes, you're right, but if you look at past preseason performances
>you'll see that God always performs poorly in exhibition games.
>
>God was using the preseason for what it was meant for, and that is
>testing and practice, not necessarily winning.
>
>(BTW, any truth to the rumor that God wants to move to another
> location because he wants a dome and that the commish won't let him?)

Yes! Well, partially. God wanted to try the man made astro turf, but they told
him to stick with the grass he made.

>
>
>===============================================================================
>Matt Brockman              NFL: Go Steelers!            mbrockma@ecn.purdue.edu
>                          WLAF: Go, Go, Glory!
>                           AFL: Go Thunderbolts!
>===============================================================================
Organization: Computer Operations, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 11:18:04 -0500 
From: "Jim Thomas Park , Jr." <jp45+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Teams with anemic offence and Super Defence
	<1d9fmbINNf9@uwm.edu>

>Huh? I really think the Steelers are overrated. They lost to the 
>	Packers and should have lost this week to Houston. Granted they 
>	did win, but everyone and thier grandmother knows the should
>	have lost. The Steeler defense is not the same as the Viking
>	defense, the Vikes are better. Offense's are about the same,
>	with the Steelers having a bit better running game, but the Vikes
>	having a bit better passing game. Bottom line IMHO, is the Steelers
>	are not better than the Vikings.

Well we will see if you theory holds true on 12/20. I don't think the
Vikes will beat the Steelers espically here in Pittsburgh. O'Donnell is
gaing confidence and is moving the offense much better esp. in the Red
Zone. They are finally scoring when they get down there. I don't have
the stats for this week on the AFC side. Our shithead papers are still
on strike and I couldn't find a USAToday on Wednesday so I can't
compare. The Steelers may be slightly overreated right now and possibly
for this season but beware of them over the next few seasons. There has
been a MAJOR change in the attitude of the players and the coaching
staff and it is infecious and it is spreading and gaining momentium.

						-Jim

P.S. The terrible Towel will be back.........

***************************************************************
 Hey Man, I'm  drinking wine, eating cheese and catching some rays.

				Oddball
	  			 From Kelly's Heros
***************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: * dolphins lose again!
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:48:00 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

>>> ciao,                             
>>> Jason Bittle (bittle@canisius.edu) 
>>> (a.k.a. Pillsbury Dough Boy )
>>
>>           By the way, Mr. Bittle are you sure enough of your team to
>>back it up? Talk is cheap. See THE BET II. I still believe at 6-2.
>>
>>
>>                           -doug THE dolfan-
> 
> Oh for gods sake! GROW UP! What is all this childish "THE BET" shit?
> 
> Get a life.,

    So, I'll take it that you still wont back up what you're saying?
Does this mean I don't have a life? Are you trying to change the subject?
If I loose THE BET II, I will accept it. I don't think I will though. I
don't want to argue with you about this, but you must have some reason
for not betting. I know from what I've read you think Buffalo will win so
maybe there is another reason, or your just saying this and you don't
believe in it enough to put your woofing rights on the line.

                            -doug THE dolfan-
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: VIKES WILL *SLAUGHTER* BUCCS!!!  was Re: A TOTAL DRUBBING..
Date: 9 Nov 92 04:08:50 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <1d8sk4INNr2@travis.csd.harris.com>, paul@baby.csd.harris.com (Paul Hughes) writes:
> Sivaram Hariharan writes:
>>
>>THE BUCS WILL CRUSH THE VIKES 50-0 AND WILL GO 11-5 AND WIN SUPER
>>BOWL.
> 
> NO WAY!!!!!
> 
>  THEE VIKINGJS ARE GOD'S GIFT TO FOOTBALL	AND THEY
> WILL CRUSH THE WIMPY BUCCS!!!!!!  THE BUCCY-BOYS ARE A BUNCH OF
>  MOMMAS BOYS WHO COULDNT BEAT AN EXPANSION TEAM OF WORLD LEAGUE
> THROW AWAYS!!!!!!!!
> 
>        NOTT EVEN RAWLEIGH-DURHUM SKYHWAKS  HAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> 	THEE VIKINGS AND PRESIDENT-ELECT DENNIS GREEN
> WILL WIPE THE FIELD WITH THE **** SISSY ORANGE PANTS***  deberg WILL
> BE DE-CAPITATED (no head) IN THE 1ST QUARTER!!   vinny WILL RUN HOME
> CRYING...."MOMMY! MOMMY!!
>  GANNON WILL
> THROW 11 TDS AND RUN FOR 6 MORE!!1!!
> 
> THE SISY PANTS HAVE MILK-TOAST FOR DEFENSE!!! ANDS OFFENSE COULDNT
> SCORE WITH A TOO DOLLAR U-NOW-WHAT!!!      THEY R AWFULL!!!
> 
> 
> 
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Other than Gannon's stats, you predicted the game pretty well, Paul.  And
your midseason evaluation of the Bucs looks pretty accurate, too.
Why aren't you atop David's pool?

(I tell ya, anti-woofs can be as dangerous as anti-matter....  This is the
most skillful parody of Aaron Perkins' style I've seen, so that's why I
picked on it.)
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
From: nk0s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Brennan Kraje)
Newsgroups: cmu.misc.market,rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NEED STEELERS/LIONS TIX
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:30:55 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


    I need two (2) tickets to this Sunday's Steelers/Lions game, for my
brother is coming up from Virginia.  Willing to pay top dollar; just
tell me if you have any extra tickets, where they are, and what you want
for them.
    Thanks for your help...

                                                    - Brennan Kraje
                                                      nk0s
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From: vito@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (daniel.b.vought)
Subject: Re: 0-16 Patriots ???!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:38:29 GMT

In article <1dec87INNii9@bigboote.WPI.EDU> cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory Shimer) writes:
>I'd like to know whether people think it is likely that the
>Pats will go 0-16 this year?
>
>Until last week, I didn't believe so.
>(And I didn't change my mind due to how they played, but due
> to the injury situation).
>
>IMHO the PAts have been playing better as of late, but the
>injury situation has gotten out of hand!
>
>List of the injured:
>
>Hart Lee Dykes : out for season (WR)
>Bruce Armstrong : out for season (OT)
>Irving Fryar : Hamstring problem (probable for this week) (WR)
>Chris Singleton : ???
>Ray Agnew : ???
>Andre Tippett : ??? (OL)
>Hugh Millen : banged up bad, out indefinitely (QB)
>Dick MacPherson : Stomach problems, out indefinitely (HEAD COACH)
>
>I'm probably missing a few.
>
>and yes, they lost Garin Veris to Free Agency.
>
>When things like this happen during a season, you've got to
>feel like forfeiting the season, just to get healthy for next year!
>
>AS it is, 0-16 looks very likely to me.
>anyone else care to make a prediction?
>
>- disheartened Pat's fan
>


      Well the colts were going in the same direction last year and
      they beat the JETS. The Pats play the JETS in three weeks.
      Winless teams are scary because if they ever get a lead on you
      they get pumped up and play better then usual.

  DANIEL V                                          GOOOOOOOOOOOO  JETS
                                                    KICK BRONCO ASS!!!!!
From: v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: idiotic posts
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:56:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov10.220430.19240@cs.wisc.edu>, jeffr@ssec.wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin) writes...

> 
>I agree completely.  Tops on the list of idiots are the Bills/Dolphins fans.
>They spew crap like this before the game is played, which is even worse.

	This is what is called a rivalry.  R-i-v-a-l-r-y.  Two teams (along
with their fans) get hyped up before a big game.  Walking into rsfp is like
walking into the two town's local bars and hearing all the pros and cons.  It's
what makes football worth cheering about.  It's all good-natured, ferchrissake,
and it's fun.  As I've said before, loosen that cap a little, Sparky, and
relax.

Jon
From: sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: WIZARD PREDICTIONS!!!!!!!
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:07:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <alb2001-121192134616@m248-106.bgsu.edu> alb2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Alvino Battistoni) writes:
>Okay Football fans, things are really starting to take shape around the
>league.  The winners of some of this week's games could very well determine
>various Divisional Winners.  It is therefore time for the WIZARD to make
>his weekly predictions.
>
>PICK OF THE WEEK -           Houston  at  Minnesota       Minnesota by 14
>
>					Minnesota has truly made a believer out of me.  They continue to show
>why
>     good defense wins ball games!  They haven't allowed a 100 yard rusher

I disagree not for the fact you quoted. But i do think that Minnesota has not
played a quality team that has run or passed the football consistently.
Although they played the redskins, we all know how the skins are doing in their
running and passing game. A good test for them will be pittsburgh with barry
foster. Considering that getting 300 yards passing against a mediocre defense 
is not that easy, the way minnesota D is playing it will be quite tough
for the teams they are playing to do that. 



-Rajeev
From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Randall benched for WEEK TEN
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:57:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <Bx9E5o.2pM@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, cnahm@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Charles Nahm) writes:
> Hello I've never posted before so I hope this works,
> This is a question along with an agreement of Joe Dakes' conclusions.
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well then by all means, welcome to rec.sport.football.pro and please,
post more:-)!

> 1. Did I watch a hullucination last Sunday or was Jim McMahon's best
>    play really that 30 yd wounded duck/hail mary that Calvin Williams
>    just managed to outjump the DB for?

McMahon had a couple of good thrown balls.  And even on that pass you
described, he threw to single coverage rather forcing to a double-teamed
Barnett.  And are you forgetting his rushing display:-)?

> 2. What has Rich Kotite done for this team? I guess I should clarify
>    that, I mean what has he done that can remotely be considered a
>    good move. I personally miss Buddyball even if the Eagles never
>    won a playoff game.

He hired Bud Carson as defensive coordinator and fired offensive line
coach Bill Walsh.  He signed RB Herschel Walker.  He signed WR Roy
Green.  He has committed to building a solid special teams though you
wouldn't know it the past few weeks.

Oh, and let's not forget bringing back QB Pat Ryan:-)!


E-A-G-L-E-S

Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
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