HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael Nelson)
Subject: more OSF/1 vs SVR4 (text)
Organization: NASA Langley
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:09:22 GMT

pulled some ideas from 2 articles.  comments welcome, as well as
pointers to additional articles.  thanks.

Michael Nelson
---

Compatibility:

This really means compatibility with respect to standards.  Both seem fully
compliant to the major standards.

-both SVR4 and OSF/1 both meet the following standards:
        ANSI C
        POSIX
        X/Open
-USL will have SVR4 comply with OSF/1 Application Environment Specification
 (AES)
-OSF/1 is compatible with the System V Interface Definition (SVID) (issue 3)
 for base and kernel extensions
-OSF is *not* SVID 5.4 compliant (?)

Openness:

This is not a well defined term.  OSF likes to talk about this a lot, but
it would seem that everyone can claim this to an extent.  Comments about
this would be welcome, especially how one is "more open" than others.

-Sun claims that SVID 5.4 makes SVR4 "open."
-Is OSF/1 source code not available?
 (McNealy seems to make this claim - thus SVR4 is "more open.")

Innovation:

-threads
-external memory management
-B-1 security (with B-2 and B-3 features)
-separation of system functionality allows several OS services to be running
 on the same platform (ie, running OSF/1, BSD and MS-DOS simultaneously)

Architectural Direction:

OSF/1 is based on the MACH kernel.  This kernel boasts "integral support
for multiprocessor hardware and an integrated threads facility."  The claim
is that threads make it more suited for suited for multiprocessing than
modified SVR4 for this purpose.  Clearly, OSF is anticipated the spread of
massively parallel computing into mainstream computing.

--
from -
"Unix Variants",Unix Review, April 92
"McNealy: Unix is not confusing", The Sun Observer, March 92
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: aab@cichlid.com (Andy Burgess)
Subject: u386mon for Suns (or something better than xperfmon)
Keywords: performance monitoring
Organization: SIlma Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 17:34:43 GMT

A few years ago when I was using SCO Unix SVR3 I used a program
that I believe was called u386mon. It displayed cpu usage
(and lots of other things) on a PER-PROCESS basis so you could see
exactly where your system resources were going (kind of like an
animated /bin/ps).

Is there such a beast available for SunOS (or generic BSD UNIX) ?

Neither xperfmon nor xcpustate give per process info.

Thanks

Andy
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From: jc@raven.bu.edu (James Cameron)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: automail forwarding & replying ?
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:41:07 GMT
Organization: What do you mean 'That *can't* be done????'
In-reply-to: jian@cs.hw.ac.uk's message of 9 Apr 92 09:43:38 GMT

>>>>> "Jian" == Jian Hu <jian@cs.hw.ac.uk> writes:

  Jian> I want to build up a server process which continually watches
  Jian> out the mailbox.  For a specific kind of mails (e.g. from a
  Jian> particular person), it can replay automatically, and for
  Jian> another kind, it can foward to another address, otherwise the
  Jian> mails are kept.

  Jian> Any advice and hints are much appreciated. Thanks !

You should take a look at the man page for vacation.  (* smile *)
This should get you started.  If you know how to program in any
language, you could write a simple program to do this.  

James

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From: mau@bilbo.cselt.stet.it (Maurizio Codogno)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: (none)
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:12:34 GMT

Hi... I am using a VT420 terminal over a terminal server to connect to a Sun.
Unfortunately, I must set the terminal as vt100, because F11 key on the t
terminal sends a long escape sequence misinterpreted by the Sun. Is there any
way to cope with this?

ciao! .mau.

 Maurizio Codogno                 mau@bilbo.cselt.stet.it
 CSELT - Via Reiss Romoli, 274    - - - - - - - - - - - -
 I-10148 Torino ITALY             I don't think my organization has the
 Phone: +39 11 2286 132           same ideas I have.
From: etxmss@kk199.ericsson.se (Mika Saarinen TT/TSD)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: TCP/IP TIME_WAIT state
Summary: TCP/ip TIME_WAIT state
Keywords: TCP/IP TIME_WAIT state
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:39:17 GMT
Distribution: comp.unix.questions
Organization: Ericsson

This is actually just a test, I apologize the misleading header
information.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: jdenune@saturn.sdsu.edu (John Michael Denune)
Subject: speed of output from a terminal
Originator: jdenune@saturn.sdsu.edu
Organization: San Diego State University, Math Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 08:23:24 GMT

Is there a way of controlling the speed of output from a terminal?  (I'm
on a machine running SunOS 4.1.2, and I'm using tcsh.)  I have a file with 
a lot of escape sequences in it that I want to print slowly to the screen, 
and more just doesn't cut it.

Thanks,
---John
  jdenune@saturn.sdsu.edu

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From: dsevans@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Daniel S Evans)
Subject: How do I download binary font files ?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:47:25 GMT

I'm running a decstation 5000 and have a hp laserjet III hooked up to it
through a decserver 90 (making it availbale for other stations.    

I'm having a problem downloading a soft font file to the printer that
my wordprocessor accesses (WordMarc Composer).  Is there some special
trick to doing this ?

Any help much appreciated !!

Thanks.


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From: adm@cs.man.ac.uk (Alan Murta)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: BSD to SYS V R4-type C Conversion
Date: 6 Apr 92 08:41:27 GMT
Reply-To: clive@ipsys.uucp

This is posted on behalf of a colleague without news access. Please direct
any e-mail responses to him (clive@ipsys.uucp).
--------------

Help - I'm looking for a tool capable of massaging BSD-type C code into 
SYS V R4-type C code - something capable of taking existing C files, and 
performing some sort of automatic conversion process (changing headers, 
syntax where necessary, etc). I'm sure this sort of thing must have been 
done many times before.

Clive Williams.
From: cudcv@warwick.ac.uk (Rob McMahon)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Much Ado about Nothing: white space and sh and csh
Keywords: csh sh test expr
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:19:53 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

In article <1992Apr13.082125.20740@lth.se> bengtl@maths.lth.se (Bengt Larsson)
writes: 
>In article <9amhb94k@csv.warwick.ac.uk> cudcv@warwick.ac.uk (Rob McMahon) writes:
>>$ for i; do echo $i; done
>>syntax error: `;' unexpected
>
>   $ for i do echo $i; done
>
>If there is no list after "for" (following an "in") then you may not have a
>";" there. You may generally have a semicolon to terminate a list, but after
>"i" the shell is expecting a keyword, not a semicolon.

Amazing, I never even thought of this, I've always just treated it as a bug.
It's hard to see how you can get this from the manual:

     for name [ in word ... ] do list done
          Each time a for command is executed, name is set to the
          next  word taken from the in word list.  If in word ...
          is omitted, then the for command executes the  do  list
          once  for  each  positional  parameter that is set (see
          Parameter Substitution  below).   Execution  ends  when
          there are no more words in the list.

     ...

     The following words are only recognized as the first word of
     a command and when not quoted:

     if then else elif fi case esac for while until do done { }

You live and learn ...

Cheers,

Rob
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: efb@cnmss.tredydev.unisys.com (Edward Bacon)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: SRV4 what happens with kill -6
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:53:00 GMT
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Tredyffrin

When a kill -6 is issued a core is created, what is the
kernel doing?  Are temporary files (resources) used to
produce the core files?

Our poblem comes from our dump procedure which kills a 
collection of processes, all at the "same time".  The
system completely hangs, and the machine must be rebooted.
One hypothesis states that some (temporary) resource used
by the kernel to core a process is exhausted when we kill
6-8 processes at once.

Thanks, Ed.
Xref: sparky comp.unix.questions:6049 comp.unix.ultrix:3779 comp.sys.dec:2510
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.sys.dec
From: liu@white.toronto.edu (Dong Xu LIU)
Subject: Disk Access Time under Ultrix on DEC 3100
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:48:30 GMT


	I'm runnig a program to test the disk access time under Ultrix 3.1
on DEC3100 workstation. The results are: 
	1) most accesses to a 8KB block take about 27 msecs, 
	2) the fastest ones (those without disk seek) take about 20 msecs, and
	3) the slowest (those with seek) take about 50-80 msecs.

	What surprises me is that, disk accesses to a 8KB block never take 
much less than 20 msecs.

	As Ultrix 3.1 uses a rotational optimization scheme to minimize 
the rotational delay and places data of the same file closely on disk, 
seek time and rotational delay should mostly be very small (much less
than 20 msecs) when user reads blocks of a large file.

	Does anyone know of the causes for such a high disk access duration
(the causes other than disk seek time and rotational delay)?

Thanks,
		Dong
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From: larry@news.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.wizards,comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: SVR4 network problem
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:44:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr10.114452.4190
Organization: Feeds-R-Us

gram@uctcs.cs.uct.ac.za (Graham Wheeler) writes:

>Basically, any operation which involves opening some form of network connection
>is extremely slow. This includes telnet (takes about two minutes for login
>prompt), netstat (can take up to ten minutes), and any forking of X clients.

hmm -- which version of Dell?  We run Dell SVR4 2.1 here -- and use telnet,
rlogin and ftp all the time (and I mean all the time -- at any given time
there are 6-8 remote users connected to the gator BBS along with the normal
users connected via dialup lines --

>This is all on a local Ethernet trunk which has only the Unix 486, a couple
>of DOS PC's, and an X terminal on it. I can disconnect the X terminal with no
>effect, so it isn't that.

I haven't played with running remote X sessions from the gator -- so I can't
comment on that one.

>The ethernet card is a vanilla 8-bit wdn8003 card.

that is the same card we use here -- 

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From: sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: what happened to ftp.uu.net?
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:37:23 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <15408@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU> who@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU writes:
>
>	I'am also prevented from logging on as anonymous to ftp.uu.net.
>Are there certain hours for anony ftp connections? Any one know whats
>up?

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The above-expressed opinions aren't necessarily
From: 88u9330@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: help on vi
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:16:35 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

any one know how can i map the space to something else ?

				anthony choi
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From: peter@aucs.acadiau.ca (Peter Steele)
Subject: Line hung, have to reboot to clear...???
Organization: Acadia University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:58:00 GMT

I've seen this happen on a Sun box once or twice, but it happens
frequently on a MIPS box we have, both with serial and parallel
lines. When a line gets hung like this, even stty can't be used.
For example, normally

     stty all </dev/ttyh0

displays the known settings for the indicated serial line. However,
when we get these hung lines, the command above just freezes and
you can't control-C or control-Z to get control. You have to use
another window to kill the process. The only way we've found to
unhang a line when it gets in this state is to reboot. This is
usually inconvenient on a production machine. Has anyone else
experienced this type of problem? Does any have a solution that
avoids reboot? I would greatly appreciate any ideas on this.
--
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Acadia University, Wolfville, NS   Tel: 902-542-2201   Fax: 902-542-4364
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
From: jgg@uunet!widget (Xmiester)
Subject: Re: me vs. vi survey *please read*
Organization: EVB Software Engineering
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:10:58 GMT



Howard S Shubs (hshubs@eff.org) writes:

>
>Aaah...  yer all clueless!  The best editor in existance is LSE, or
>EVE if you can't get LSE.
>

Yo Howard!  Check your date-book.  First of all, LSE and EVE are really
editor instantiations of DEC Text Processing Utility (TPU).  
Take a look at TPU.  Now take a look at Emacs.  Notice any
similarities?  ... hmmm...... which inspired which ?

An extensible editor system was built at Rockwell International using TPU
as the core which blows both LSE *AND* EVE away.  The name is KED
(Killer EDitor).  We tried to get it into public domain at one time,
but the beauracracy of it all killed our interest :-( 
Emacs blows KED away.  

PS:  Just curious, do you run TPU in a sub-process and attach/detach 
     or invoke it to/from it or do you invoke it every time you need it ?

     As I remember it, TPU was one of the highest invoked images
     on our VAXcluster.  Some VMS'ers just *NEVER* learn how to use
     more than  one process at a time... or else they sit back and
     enjoy their coffee as they fire up each process :-)

     I know, I know....  Flame hard, Flame often :-)


d' miester


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From: nto0302@dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil (Bob Fisher)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: UNIX equiv. of CLS for ATT605?
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:15:26 GMT
Organization: Defense Logistics Agency Systems Automation Center, Columbus

From article <bill.702651896@chaos.cs.umn.edu>, by bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu:
> PS9ZRHMC@MIAMIU.BITNET (Peter Sweeney) writes:
> 
>>Is there a UNIX equivalent for the DOS CLS command?
>>I'm using an AT&T 605 terminal.  When I log off, it
>>sends a clearscreen signal.  What is it doing?
>> 
>>And can I accomplish the same thing with a vt100
>>emulator via modem at home?
>> 
> 
> try clear. ive seen it work on alot of different u*ix variations.

"tput" is available on many systems and outputs command strings for
terminals defined by $TERM.  If your terminal is correctly defined, you
can do such things as "tput clear", "tput bold", etc.

If your shell supports aliases, create an alias for cls that executes
the command "tput clear".  If not, create a variable in your .profile
to capture the output of tput...

	CLS=`tput clear`; export CLS

This command would let you "echo $CLS" to clear your screen.
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From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F Haugh II)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Source code for crypt(3C)
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:13:05 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F Haugh II)
Organization: On the Beach, Simpson Bay, Sint Maarten, Nederland Antilles
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In article <115@bwilab3.UUCP> chris@bwilab3.UUCP (Chris Curtin) writes:
>I am looking for source code that will encrypt and decrypt a given string
>using a given salt. The version of encrypt that comes with HP-UX 8.0 is
>broken. This has been verified by PICS and I have an SR for it.

You need to locate "UFC Crypt".  It was recently posted to comp.sources.misc
and should be on better archive sites everywheres.
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From: shocking@cxbne.cx.OZ.AU (Steve Hocking)
Subject: Re: SVR4 network problem
Organization: Comperex Australia Pty Limited
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:39:46 GMT

gram@uctcs.cs.uct.ac.za (Graham Wheeler) writes:

>Hi all

>I have a problem with Dell SVR4 that probably has a trivial solution
>lurking somewhere. It seems to be a Streams problem, or possibly due
>to the change in network daemon structure between V3 and V4.

>Basically, any operation which involves opening some form of network connection
>is extremely slow. This includes telnet (takes about two minutes for login
>prompt), netstat (can take up to ten minutes), and any forking of X clients.
>Once a connection is established, performance is fine. 

	Are you attempting to run Domain Name service without a name server
being available? This sounds just like that sort of behaiviour.

>--
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>Data Network Architectures Lab     | that which is soft conquers the hard."
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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.wizards,comp.sys.intel
Subject: Re: How to copy to another machine's /dev
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:22:12 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.questions
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>Yes.  For example, you can access a remote system's /dev/clock, and you
>can change the tty modes of a remote terminal (//node/dev/tty*).  I can't
>think of a case where a remote ioctl does *not* work, but they probably
>exist.

How about "the two machines in question have different byte orders, or
different structure alignment rules"?  Do remote "ioctl"s work then?

("This is an Intelism, so all the machines have *86's in them" isn't an
answer that's interesting to me; the machine on *my* desk doesn't have a
*86 in it.  Boyd might find it more interesting, as - given his employer
- he's more likely to have a little-endian machine on his desk that I
am....)
From: kdyapa@pica.army.mil (Krishna R. Dyapa)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: ultrix systems help
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:48:07 GMT

Hi there,
 
       I have a small problem executing a shell program which
    contains a menu for the users (using ultrix Operating system 
    4.2 on MICROVAX II Machine).  I added an option for them to 
    logout in the menu using "logout;;" command in the program. 
    This command doesn't work and gives me the following 
    error message:  "sh: logout not found".
 
      Even if I include the path for the shell, it still does the 
    same thing.  I couldn't find any other command to logout 
    in the system, but takes the "exit" or "logout" command
    if typed at the prompt anyhow.
 
      NOTE: 

      One of the systems administrator here suggested, to get the 
    process ID # for the shell and do a "kill -9" on that #. 

      Is there any easy or better way to do this, other than 
    killing the process ID?  Any help will be appreciated. 


      Thanks in advance.

    Email: kdyapa@pica.army.mil    Phone:(201) 724-3339.
From: eam@cuuxb.ATT.COM (~16DM30100~Ed Marczak~~xxx~xxxxxxx~)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: cu and uucp lock during login
Keywords: cu uucp
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:55:30 GMT
Reply-To: eam@cuuxb.UUCP (Ed Marczak)
Organization: AT&T/NCR Software Services Division

>In article <162@denali.UUCP> steve@denali (steve) writes:
>	I have developed an annoying(to say the least) problem with modem communication.When I call out, at the point I should be getting a login prompt the
>	process freezes.  Here is the output of cu:
	
STUFF DELETED...
	>expect: (ogin:)
	> 2400^M^J^@^J^M^J^Jpaul losendthem (????????)
	>expect: (ogin:)
	>Call Failed: LOGIN FAILED
	>exit code 101
	>Conversation Complete: Status FAILED
	
	One place to look is the gettydefs file on your target
	system. Your host is looking for (ogin:) out of your
	Systems file. If the target system describes the incoming
	getty (tty)  differently, ie never echos "login:" string,
	your cu could hang. Or I could be completely wrong.

		Later ... ed
From: rpinder@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Rich Pinder)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: AWK question - little one
Date: 6 Apr 1992 17:23:02 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu

I am trying to process some data and looking toward AWK to do it....but am
stumped.

I have a large datafile with the pipe sign as field seperators.  The file
is arranged in groups of similar data, with the first record of each such
group containing a value that identifys the group.

It turns out that the third field can either be 1) a string value - which
is actually an area code, or 2) a blank field.  So if we read in anything
for the third field I want to append it to each subsequent record in its
corresponding group - when I again read a record with the third field 'not
blank', I'll use this new value for the next group.


here are a couple of lines which show my initial (uncorrect) logic.... 



awk -F '|' ' {

        if ($3 !~ "        ") code=$3;
	printf ("%s %s \n",$1,code);

		} ' $*


Since AWK seems to be particularily suited for doing almost automatic input
handling, I'm not sure if this is something that can be easily done in AWK,
but I thought I'd ask before I make that assumtion.....

thanks,

		Rich Pinder
		USC School of Medicine
		(213) 342-1640

		rpinder@usc.edu

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From: dchouina@sobeco.com (Daniel Chouinard)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Is there a way to tell block size?
Keywords: Tapes, streamer, block size...
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:47:42 GMT
Organization: Sobeco Ernst & Young

Hi!

  I've got a bunch of tapes that were made with dd.  Is there a simple way
to tell what block sizes were used?  dd is too friendly and converts them.
I've looked everywhere (including the FAQ) to no avail.

Please reply on this group or to dchouina@sobeco.com.  Thanks!
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