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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:25:29 CST
Reply-To:     Petros Petropoulos <ouzo@ENGR.TRINITY.EDU>
From:         Petros Petropoulos <ouzo@ENGR.TRINITY.EDU>
Subject: Re: Makedoviko kai "apeilh polemoy"
Comments: To: Antonis.Tsolomitis@MATH.TAMU.EDU
Comments: cc: hellas@engr.Trinity.EDU

>0ewrw oti oi polemikes iaxes stnv Ellada eivai movov
>gia politikn piesn otav yparxei eksisou megaln
>politiko-stratiwtikn piesn apo alles pleures(blepe
>Sismic,syvtagma Skopiwv klp).

As mnv mplekoume diafora e0vika 0emata a' la' imam-mbailvti...
To Seismik oudemia (emfavn, apodedeigmevn) sxesn exei me to
"Makedoviko." To "Makedoviko" exei polla va kavei me tov
kairoskopismo arketwv ellnvikwv kubervnsewv kai fusika me tis dolies
blepseis twv Sobietikwv (mesw tou Tito oso autos epaize paixvidi)
kai katopiv me tis dolies blepseis tou Tito kai movo...
Episns, tn snmerov nmera, oi polemikes iaxes eksupnretouv ws
staxtn sta matia tou kosmou gia va mn dei autos o amoiros laos
oti to olo "mpaxalo" avagetai kata polu stous delfivismous mesa
stn ND kai oxi se "politiko-stratiwtikn piesn apo alles pleures"
(twra auto pou to eides esy dev kserw, ektos kai eav 0ewreis
piesn tnv summorfwsn mas ws pros to embargo kata tns Serbias)


>0ewrw oti eivai to teleutaio
>politiko meso(kati sav tnv apergia)mias adyvamns xwras
>va 0umisei stis <<megales>>dyvameis to mpaxalo pou 0a
>mporouse va prokypsei apo tnv politikn tous,efosov
>n xwra katexei akoma kai snmera poly kaln stratngikn
>0esn stn mesogeio.

Siga ta auga...dnladn oi megales duvameis epibouleuovte tnv
"aduvatn" Elladitsa kai prokeitai va oplisouv tous ksupolntous
twv Skopiwv gia va tous exouv piovia sta sxedia tous evavtiwv
mas ????? Epieikws afeleia deixvouv dnlwseis peri
aduvamns xwras pou tnv epibouleuovte oi "kakoi" ksevoi k.l.p.


>Gia poio logo dev tis blepete sav
>politiko meso esxatns avagkns(giati safws dev eivai n0iko)
>dev katalabaivw.

Try this for size...eivai epieikws nli0io va xa0ouv Ellnvikes
zwes sta pro0ura tou 21ou aiwva gia aities rizwmeves GERA sto
parel0ov...

>Dnladn av ntav ola aln0eia me to Sismik
>(to lew giati npnrksav kapoioi pou to amfisbntnsav)
>ti 0a eprepe va dnlwsei o tote prw0upourgos,oti kai va kavete
>(kai stov Peiraia va er0ei)emeis dev to bouliazoume;

Dnladn esy twra pws tn blepeis tn douleia, nr0e kaveva Skopiavo
0wrnkto sima-sima sta Ellnvika udata kai apeilei tnv edafikn
mas akeraiotnta ? H mnpws upnrkse pota "Makedoviko kratos", to
opio diamelistnke apo tous "Megalous", kai twra pou mas teleiwse
evas apo tous "Megalous" znta apo tous upoloipous "Megalous" va
va tou dw0ouv pisw ta palia tou edafn va avasugkrotn0ei ?


> Epimevw sto oti ta grafomeva afta dev ypostnrizouv
>tnv apeiln polemou stn sygkekrimevn periptwsn me ta Skopia,
>oxi epeidn gvwrizw oti dev exoume ftasei sto esxato snmeio
>alla epeidn dev gvwrizw av exoume ftasei ekei.

Ma eivai sobara prammata auta pou les re Avtwvn ?

>Opoios
>to gvwrizei as mas to pei.

Dnladn esy 0a pistepseis kapiov pou 0a sou pei oti oi Iapwves eivai
siwvistes pou katefugav ekei sta vnsia tns Apw Avatolns stnv arxaiotnta
kai ekavav plastikn sta matia tous gia va mn avagvwrizovte ????

>Oso gia tis iaxes polemou stnv Hellaseivai protaseis
>pou eite tis kataripteis me epixnrnmata(px,av dev exoume
>ftasei se apostasn avapvons apo tnv avagvwrisn twv Skopiwv
>sav Makedovia,dev yparxei logos va spatalnsoume eva politiko
>meso pou argotera isws eivai pio apodotiko.

Eite to eva eite to allo, mas eipes to eva, pou eivai to allo ?
"oi iaxes polemou eivai protaseis" loipov mas leei o megas Tsolomitns
pou prepei va tis kataripsoume me epixeirnmata...Loipov twra pia dev
aporw gia to poso eukolo eivai va ksekolovovte sto skotoma ekei stn
Bosvia kai o laoutzikos va ka0etai kai va tnv trwei kai apo pisw ama laxei.

>Av twra exeis
>n0iko problnma arxns gia tis apeiles,tote dev kritikareis tnv politikn
>gevika efosov eks orismou eivai avn0ikn)av mporeis n av dev mporeis
>dev les tipota.

Ti les bre ? Eutnxws pou n poreia tns ekseliksns tou
av0rwpivou eidous exei sav stoxo tns tnv eksaleipsn twv kakwv
metallaksewv. Ws autou exw elpida oti atoma me tis idees sou 0a exouv
mndamivn epidrasn stnv oln eikova.

>Opws kai va exei 0a prepei va apavtnseis
>pavw sto 0ema <<apeiln polemou>>kai oxi sto 0ema <<polemos>>.

Se ti va apavtnsw, ti "apeiln polemou" mas tsampouvas re sy,
paradipla apo ta boreia suvora mas skotovovtai ka0nmeriva kai ka0nmeriva
diadramatizovtai eikoves 1ou kai 2ou polemou, mnpws znlepses ??? Giati
eav znlepses vomizw xreiazovtai ptwmata stn Bosvia kai 0a eisai euprosdektos.


>Avtwvns Tsolomitis.

Petros (San Antonio)
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