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From: stolte@irit.irit.fr (Nilo STOLTE)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Re: Crimso: What happened with "USA"???
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:50:00 GMT
Organization: IRIT-UPS, Toulouse, France

>>also that Fripp's anal-retentive perfectionist has him unable to release
>>something unless it's perfect - hence his hiring Jobson to overdub violin

  :-))). Perfect description. That's why I think that his guidance into King
Crimson was healthy. Somebody has critisised this here but I don't  think
it's bad, at least for us...

>>comes across like such a pretentious jerk. I love his music and find great 
>>humor in his wit and wisdom, but if Fripp and I were trapped in an elevator
>>for a weekend I doubt both of us would make it out alive.

  :-)))))))))). You also have a great humor. I really think also that he's that
way you describe, and your observations are pertinents...

Nilo.
From: aesba1ii@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Brian Wilson
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:27:53 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


  ok...so you say that progressive music is about concepts...

 the 'Smile' album was a concept album...

   brian's initial idea for it was to have comedy running all the way through
it..this later progressed to having a running theme between songs...like a sort
of connecting piece througout the album...

   sgt pepper is usually given credit for being the first concept album, yet
smile predated pepper by almost a year...

   it was paul mc cartney coming back from visiting brian working on smile who
thought 'what the hell can we do to top that?' and thought up pepper...

   so brian wilson could be said to have invented the concept album.....

  ian irwin
  scotland
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: King Crimson Beginner
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:24:39 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Nov14.205143.17450@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.134526.10051@vax.oxford.ac.uk> bain1@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>In the Court of the Crimson King (1969) : Contains the only KC track most
>>people have ever heard of - 21st Century Schizoid Man, and is almost worth
>>buying just for that. The rest of it is Moody-Blues like mellotron epics.
>
>	Epitaph? Nothing like a Moody Blues
>	piece, and one of most remarkable KC
>	songs rhythmically. 

Structurally, I'll agree, but to give credit where credit is due, the
instrumentation mix and overall feel on "court" owes a lot to the Moody
Blues material of roughly the same period. I remember hearing "Court"
when it was brand new around 1969... and thinking "Hey, these guys remind
me of the moody blues a little".

>>Unfortunately, about a third of the album is taken up with an embarrasingly
>>dreadful reworking of Mars-The Bringer of War by Holst, which is credited to
>>Fripp/Ian McDonald.
>
>	Remake of Holst is of several parts (~5), and only
>	one of them is credited to both: others to Fripp only.
>	This is easily explained by the absense of McDonald
>	during the most of recording. In The Wake is also

I'd buy this explanation if it was a new song, but Crimson had been doing
this song live even before the release of "Court", at a time when McDonald
was a fully functional member of the band.


peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 07:32:43 EST
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Yesshows

Yesshows is a Japanese import, AMCY-372 3

I got my copy for $29 (yes, for 2 cds!!!) so it might be a cheap import.

GREAT album

Slainte mhath,

Mike
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From: chyde@pecos.ads.com (Clinton Hyde)
Subject: Re: Rongey Interview
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mountain View, CA 94043, +1 (415)
	960-7300
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:40:32 GMT


well, that was interesting. I don't agree at all with his position
that instrumental-only is a loser.

did you tell him about Internet? A.M.P? if he wants instant world-wide
exposure, this is the place for it...with a lot higher readership than
the fanzines, i'd guess...

you didn't give out his mail-order address...i'm willing to experiment
if it's only a few bucks...i've had far more succeses than failures
with that.

 -- clint
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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.misc
From: a74k110@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Peterson)
Subject: Spectrum (ex-Spacemen 3's Sonic Boom's new band)
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 03:18:01 GMT
Reply-To: a74k110@phobos.ucc.umass.edu
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   Has anyone seen the limited edition CD of Spectrum's debut album? 
It's described in the current edition of Spin, sounds really cool.  It's
supposed to have a nifty cover.  I'v been trying to find it, but no luck so 
far.  Does anyone have any suggestions on mail order places or stores that 
have special rare limited edition stuff for sale?

Please e-mail me.

Thanks,
  Chris



Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: kalang@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (kenneth.lang)
Subject: Re: *** Suggestions for Genesis & A. Phillips
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:34:13 GMT

In article <92326.173351DAB112@psuvm.psu.edu> DAB112@psuvm.psu.edu (David Anthony Barro) writes:
>Greetings once again.
>
>     I was just wondering.  I like Genesis' old material (everything
>I've heard up until 'round '75; MOST until 'round '78) but I certainly
>haven't heard everything.  I STILL haven't heard Nursery Cryme, and I
>haven't heard Selling England...  Now, I *REALLY* like The Lamb...,
>especially Banks' solo keyboard stuff.  Can more of these solos be
>found on these other two albums??  Are these other two worth buying???

  Definitely. Selling England... has always been one of my favorite Genesis
albums.

>     Part II:  I have my eyes on some Anthony Phillips solo projects.
>The one is called 'Ivory Moon'.  It looks somewhat interesting.  The
>other one is a bit more appealing to me.  I believe the full title of
>this one is 'Private Parts & Pieces II: Back to the Pavilion'  If I'm
>wrong on the title, don't hang me.  My question is, are these record-
>ings really 'progressive' at all or are they just neat looking??  I'm
>trying to ascertain whether or not I should buy them.

Ivory Moon is just Phillips' on solo piano. I find it pretty boring, and was
very dispappointed with it, considering how great some of his other albums
are. My favorite of his  is "The Geese and the Ghost" which also features
Mike Rutherford (guitars among other things) and Phil Collins (2 vocal tracks).
I also like "Sides" very much. I have about half of the Private Parts, series,
with I think the best one being the compilation, with pieces from all of the
albums. I don't remember the title, but it has a cottage on the cover, with
pictures of his other albums in the windows.                            

As far as being progressive, much of his solo stuff (with the exception of Sides
and the one with the squirrel on the cover) is strongly rooted in classical
music, especially Ivory Moon. The Geese and the Ghost has classical influence
and I would consider it progressive (it's sort of like early Genesis without
keyboards). But I think I've confused you enough.


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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:25:12 EST
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: New ELP release due in January
 <Nov.22.16.34.29.1992.7070@andromeda.rutgers.edu>

No, I don't have any info about this release, just a question:

How long was the Black Moon show at RAH?  (ie, would the whole show fit on 2
CDs, or what?)

Slainte mhath,

Mike
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From: gershbei@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Michael Gershbein)
Subject: EG CD releases
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:27:08 GMT

I have a couple Roxy Music and Robert Fripp CDs that were released by Editions
EG (I think) before the "definitive versions" were put out.  Oh yeah, I have
some King Crimson too.  Does anybody hhave a word on the differences in ssound
quality, etc.  My "Exposure" has Water Music II listed as being over six
minutes, but it is actually only about three and a half minutes long.  Any
info would be appreciated!
MMike Gershbein
From: borella@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Rongey Interview
Date: 21 Nov 92 08:21:49 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

In article <CHYDE.92Nov18134032@pecos.ads.com> chyde@pecos.ads.com (Clinton Hyde) writes:
>well, that was interesting. I don't agree at all with his position
>that instrumental-only is a loser.

I think he meant that instrumental progressive music had a smaller
chance of gaining widespread acceptance.

>did you tell him about Internet? A.M.P? if he wants instant world-wide
>exposure, this is the place for it...with a lot higher readership than
>the fanzines, i'd guess...

He was very interested in Gibraltar.  I didn't go into the internet in
detail, but what little I told seemd to interest him.  He said
something like, "Wow, I wish I could be part of that..."

>you didn't give out his mail-order address...i'm willing to experiment
>if it's only a few bucks...i've had far more succeses than failures
>with that.

Ooops...forgot. Here it is:

Kurt Rongey
Long, Dark Music
PO Box 582
Jenks OK 74037-0582

-Mike
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: drk@melodian.cs.uiuc.edu (Dave Kohr)
Subject: Re: Ever seen King Crimson live?
Organization: CS Dept., Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:19:20 GMT


I first saw Crimson in Syracuse at the Landmark Theater in the spring of
1982; I think this was shortly after they had reformed in the
Fripp/Bruford/Levin/Belew incarnation, and shortly after the release of
"Discipline".  I hadn't heard anything by Crimson before this except "21st
Century Schizoid Man" and "Court of the Crimson King" on a local
album-oriented rock station, but this show prompted me to start collecting
their albums.  The radio promo for the concert contained the amusing bit:

	"King Crimson: They'll do things to your mind that ordinary mortals
	can only do to your body."

Then I saw them again after the release of "Three of a Perfect Pair" (I
think) in the spring of 1984 at Washington University in St. Louis (in
Graham Chapel no less).

Finally, I saw a (short-lived?) band fronted by Adrian Belew, called "The
Bears", again at Wash. U. in the Gargoyle (student coffeehouse/bar),
sometime in 1985-6.  The band did a few covers (none of Crimson), including
"Purple Haze" as a finale, but wasn't terribly interesting except for
Belew's guitar tricks.
-- 
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Work: 3244 DCL, (217)333-6561  Home: (217)359-9350  E-mail: drk@cs.uiuc.edu
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From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Another UK question -- what happened to `Alaska'?
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:39:28 GMT
	<1992Nov15.044621.26388@cs.mcgill.ca>
	<1992Nov15.045738.26551@cs.mcgill.ca>
Organization: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex
In-reply-to: narpet@cs.mcgill.ca's message of 15 Nov 92 04:57:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.045738.26551@cs.mcgill.ca> narpet@cs.mcgill.ca (Greg WARD) writes:


   Hey, while the subject of UK is being tossed around -- I got their
   debut album this summer, and was/am quite impressed.  However, I couldn't
   help but notice that "Alaska" (IMHO the best track in the album) fades out
   *awfully* quickly, and seems to do so *just* as it's getting really neat.

   Does anybody know what happened to this song?  Did some clueless
   engineer screw up?  Was the band terribly unhappy with the way it
   turned out, and had it chopped abruptly?  Or did they just not finish
   playing the bloody song?

	   Any clues appreciated!

You might be making the same mistake that I did before I got the UK
CD.  I thought that Alaska was only slow synthesizer, and that as soon
as the drums, guitar, etc came in, that was Time To Kill.  But no,
Time To Kill doesn't begin until the words "Rip the Sheets off
ice-cold again"

By the way, anyone:  do the US CDs of UK have lyrics?

--
Ronald L. Chrisley  ronc@cogs.susx.ac.uk
COGS, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: loj@cae.wisc.edu (Lo Jeffrey)
Subject: Re: Wanted: King Crimson Video Information
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:45:48 CST

In article <1992Nov16.181335.27915@doug.cae.wisc.edu> loj@cae.wisc.edu (Lo Jeffrey) writes:
>
>Also, the Three Of A Perfect Pair video is
>available as a Japanese import.  It has far better sound than the VHS HiFi
>and it has two extra tracks (Waiting Man and Discipline).
>

I forgot to mention that I have only seen that Japanese video on laserdisk.
However, my guess is that you could also get it on VHS.  If you or a
friend owns a laserdisk player, I would highly recommend it over tape
for the digital sound.

If you can  wait, there should be a box set containing stuff from the
"Discipline era" of King Crimson within a few months.  The box set with
"Starless era" stuff just came out.  Can't wait to hear it.

Jeff Lo
loj@cae.wisc.edu
From: bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: PFM - where is the live CD?
Keywords: PFM - Premiata Forneria Marconi
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:42:05 GMT
Reply-To: Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article <1992Nov17.142250.14792@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, kalang@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (kenneth.lang) writes:
|> I just came across a PFM CD the other day called PFM - Live in USA. It has the
|> same tracks as Cook so I assume its a re-release under a different name. THe
|> price is still the same, though. $26 US. 

You are correct.  Cook == Live in the USA.

Excellent album.

Bob
-- 
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Sun Microsystems                     | But you know you never care
Dallas, Tx                           | You are always looking for another reason
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From: nelson@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Re:New King Crimson live set?
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:06:28 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <2602@irit.irit.fr>, stolte@irit.irit.fr (Nilo STOLTE) writes:
>>>Could anybody say when the new King Crimson live box (or double album,
>>>or whatever it is) is coming out in the UK?
>>>
>>>Graham Nelson (Oxford)
> 
>   Excuse me. Are you talking about the box with 4 CDs called "The Essence of..."
> ???? Because this one is sold in UK for months. There is only ONE CD of the four
> that is live. It costs 54 pounds in London.
> 
> Nilo.

No, I was asking about this one to be called "The Great Deceiver", according
to rumour, and which someone in the US said would be coming out on November
16th or thereabouts (which is today).

Is this true?

G.
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Wayside?
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:34:16 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <sf2E2bi00UhWM1UJcv@andrew.cmu.edu> dt1z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Daniel E. Tyson) writes:
>Could someone post the Wayside address and possible phone number? I'd
>like to get the latest catalog!
>Thanks
>Dan


Here's the number: (301) 589-1803

You'll get this long recording of all the latest stuff they have in stock,
then at the end you can leave your name & address so they can send you a
catalog.

peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Eddie Jobson's 'ZINE'
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 18:34:35 GMT

In article <morteng.721914599@fenris.dhhalden.no>, morteng@dhhalden.no (Morten Graesby) writes:
|> 
|> I bought an Eddie Jobson LP at a second-hand store the other day.
|> The title is 'ZINE' and it was released in '84. 
|> Some great keyboards and violin mixed in a kind of late YES-related 
|> prog. I enjoy the album a lot, but I have one Q that I hope you can help
|> me with. Does anyone out there know the musicians featuring on this album?
|> There's no info on the sleeve..:(
|> Thanks in advance..I hope.

Its a solo album - Eddie plays all instruments.
From: Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield)
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
Subject: D.S. Vets
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:50:01 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b1@newshost.dartmouth.edu


  Are ther any veterans out there who served in the armed forces during
D.S.? I served at in the army at Walter Reed at the time.

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From: rlauer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert Lauer)
Subject: Re: D.S. Vets
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:12:00 GMT

Organization: The Ohio State University
Keywords:
    yes there are desert storm vets out here among the living.  i am wondering 
what exactly your conection is with desert storm though.walter reed is about as
far away from hafer al batin or nasiriyah as it gets.  just in case you 
wondering the first is in saudi the second in iraq.  sorry if i sound harsh but
you sound like your trying to call yourself a d.s. vet just because you got 
your national defense service ribbon like every other member of the armed 
forces.  if you do have some legite reason for asking lets hear it.  otherwise 
us d.s. vets are all over just try looking.
From: Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield)
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
Subject: Re: D.S. Vets
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:34:02 GMT
 <1992Nov20.171200.10576@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b1@newshost.dartmouth.edu


  Just because I was stateside dosent mean that I wasn't involved.
Walter Reed Hospital recieved most of the wounded for processing out of
the army. The Walter Reed Army Institute of Research, where I worked,
was developing treatments for things like kidney failure through blood
loss. The institute is working on treatments and vaccines for the
diseases that soldiers caught in the mid east. A new antidote for nerve
gas was in production.
  I was in the army for years before D.S. And I was in it for about a
year after. Believe me, most of us that got the ribbon EARNED IT!

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From: ck442@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Floyd Low)
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
Subject: Re: Army Basic Training
Date: 24 Nov 1992 01:49:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


from a Canadian Army Capt---->
1. make sure you are as close as possible to the recommended 
weight limits set by insurance companies (no point in lugging
around etra baggage)
2. if not, go on a lower fat diet, some recommend between 20 - 30
% diet (your medical/school health office can help here)
3. then adopt a sport, i.e if not a jock don't despair but try
and get into a routine where you are always doing something, but
not more than 1/2 hour per day, enough to get to get aerobic
levels up to age limit i.e so many heartbeats per minute
4. the local rotc office, if one is on your school can give you
good guidance on building up from there. above all keep
an open mind, expand your fitness and you'll walk all over
the instructors (who also have to pay their mortages etc) when
you get in....summary nothing special unless you're a jock and then
if you are do less of it (i ain't one)
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From: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Re: D.S. Vets
Organization: The Ohio State University
     don't get me wrong i am not trying to say that your time in the army was 
     So anyway what was it that you wanted with the first post?
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:56:47 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
Newsgroups: alt.desert-storm
Subject: Re: D.S. Vets
From: holmesc@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:01:30 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

Yes, we are out here.  Why do you ask?
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