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From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: sex in movies
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:35:50 GMT
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Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA

In article <1992Aug28.193405.745@morrow.stanford.edu> AH.PBL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark) writes:
>  Eeeewww, yuck!  Me neither.  I'd *much* rather see a guy bouncing
>  up and down on a guy.

The closest that we came to seeing this was in My Own Private
Idaho... too bad the characters weren't a "normal" slice of gay
America (normal as is the gay or lesbian family who lives down
the street).

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From: gfritz@sage.cc.purdue.edu ("Happy Fun Ball")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:40:45 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <BtxzLn.vv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus) writes:
>Well, there's always "Chopper Chicks in Zombietown."  Truly terrible.

How did this compare to Reform School Girls?  Ever seen Surfer Nazis Must Die?
I thought that these were _meant_ to be terrible.  :-)

Anyone remember that cheesey sci fi called Green Slime?

And another thing...

Geoff
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From: lairdb@crash.cts.com (Laird P. Broadfield)
Subject: Re: Columbus and 1492
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:37:22 GMT

Cliff writes:
>I'd bet on it.  Not only are Gerard Depardieu and Sigourney Weaver 
>excellent actors, but Ridley Scott is the Midas of directors, as far as 
>I'm concerned.

I dunno, sometimes he blows it on content, but he's got style nailed.
The trailer absolutely blew my mind.  Wow.  Talk about powerful 
associations.


-- 
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From: houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: What are those Negroes doing with guns?
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:58:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <12066@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.145818.16580@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug27.134626.28122@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jor1@hera.uucp (24315-rich) writes:
>> >Malcolm X is an A-hole.
>> 
>> Really?  How do you know him?
>> 
>> GMS
>
>By his writing, in support of murdering people simply because of
>their race.
>-- 
>Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
>Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
>prohibition won't work.

Uh, yeah. Obviously you *haven't* read any of Malcolm X's speeches (btw,
he never wrote anything, except his Autobiography, which was actually
compiled by Alex Haley). Pick up the Autobiography, and some of the
collections of his speeches that are out there (there's several to
choose from) - and then you can't be labeled ignorant, as I'm
sure others will call you.

Malcolm X *never* advocated murder. He advocated self-defence, but only
when justified (the Black Panthers later put a lot of his ideas into
practice - the subject line is a quote from Bobby Seale's 'Seize The
Time, in case yr wondering).

Malcolm did hate whites for a while (when he was a Black Muslim),
but after he split with Elijah Muhammed, he started to see the
oppression of blacks in a different light - and started to see
that it's not the color of your skin that matters, but what's
*inside*.

'Malcolm X' is a movie that I'm looking forward to - not just because
I respect the man, but I'm interested in seeing how much of Spike
Lee we'll be able to glean from his portrayal of El Hajj Malik
Shabazz's life. Anyone else feel the same way?


-- 
Joshua Houk || houk@athena.cs.uga.edu

It's just a joke, man.
   - Pere Ubu
From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Best shots wanted
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:09:49 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
Originator: gharris@jade.tufts.edu

>In article <25AUG199218382749@moose.cccs.umn.edu> rao@moose.cccs.umn.edu writes:
>>In article <16334@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, fisherjm@denali.cs.ucdavis.edu (John M. Fisher) writes:
>>> 6) THE DEER HUNTER - The Russian Roulette scene was truly scary, and
>>> provided a perfect metaphor for Vietnam.
>>
>>I've often wondered about this russian-roulette theme in "The Deer Hunter" --
>>it pervades the whole movie.  Is this supposed to be taken at face value, or is
>>there some deeper significance which is commonly accepted?  The reason why I
>>think I may be missing something is because I don't know much about Vietnam
>>(before my time, really).
>
	Well, I've always felt it was an allegory for the entire Vietnam War,
which was rife with images of unlucky death.  The most prevalent of these are
of course the draft lottery, and the idea that of every 30 men to go in, only
n will escape alive (with n being some integer significantly less than 30)
So, it was sort of saying that the Vietnam War was a giant game of Russian 
Roulette played by the youth of America.

--
"If you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce, they taste more like
prunes than rhubarb does."              -Groucho Marx 

gharris@jade.tufts.edu          George Harris, Tufts Univ. Dept. of Mathematics
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From: rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett)
Subject: Re: Unforgiven (was Re: sex in movies)
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 08:39:56 GMT

>Steve Masticola writes 
>> Me too. I was in "Unforgiven" last week, and sat behind a couple who
>> had brought in two small (<= 8 years old) girls. For those who haven't
>> seen it, "Unforgiven" features scenes of rape, slashings, torture,
>> explicit sex, and violence. PLENTY of violence.

Explicit sex?  Shuffling butts in the dark is explicit sex?

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the ABC Sunday Night Movie on 
ABC in two years--uncut, but with all that darned profanity dubbed out.
"Frick you, man, frick you!  I mean, this is just frickin' unbelievable!"


---
Robert Dorsett
rdd@cactus.org
...cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!rdd
From: charlesk@fraser.sfu.ca (Charles Hak Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: erotic movies
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:39:22 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

Emanuelle.  "Real" production values, good acting (Yes!  Believe it or
not!) good direction, and excellent (yum) bodies 'o nekid babes!  

Regards,

Charles H. Kim

charlesk@sfu.ca
From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: PC terms for actresses? (was Re: ** ULTIMATE CLASSIC MOVIE BABES ** Who?)
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:23:53 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <1258@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM> lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow) writes:

>With regard to the larger subject, I can understand the desire of some
>women's-rights advocates to remove the implied belittlement they see
>in some gender-specific titles, but if taken to its extreme this tendency
>could get ridiculous.  Eventually we'd end up even getting rid of "man"

Often the threat of the extreme is used to prevent the sensible.

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From: urf@icl.se (Urban F)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Possible Foundation movie?
Date: 25 Aug 92 07:34:21 GMT
Organization: None. On USENET I speak only for myself.

lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow) writes:

>With good results:
>  Blade Runner ("Do Androids....")
Well, it is a good movie, but did it have all that much to do with the book?

>Any other examples?

I'd like to nominate as a good example:
   The Shape of Things to Come

and as a bad example:
   20 000 Leagues Under the Sea

>Any other science fiction classics you'd like to see transported to
>the screen, and think they could be done well?

Is is too soon to nominate Friday as a classic? I also think Glory Road
could be made into a good movie. Also The Forever War and All My Sins
Remembered.
-- 
 Urban Fredriksson urf@icl.se (Or: n.g.u.fredriksson.swe2001@oasis.icl.co.uk)
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From: merlyn@digibd.com (Merlyn LeRoy)
Subject: Re: Marx brothers: a question
Organization: DigiBoard Incorporated, Eden Prairie, MN
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 16:19:14 GMT

braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (BRAY CHRISTOPHER) writes:
>What the heck are these guys up to today.

Busy being dead.

>Are they dead, alive, married,
>with children, working anywhere in the cinematographic world.

Survived by various children & some ex-wives.

>If not, why not, how many films did they make, what is the entire story,
>any books, documentaries, films on them...?

The Coconuts
Animal Crackers
Monkey Business
Horse Feathers
Duck Soup
A Night at the Opera
A Day at the Races
Room Service
At the Circus
Go West
The Big Store
A Night in Casablanca
Love Happy

Also appeared separately in "The Story of Mankind".
"Humorisque", a pre-Coconuts silent film, does not survive, as the Marxes
thought it was so bad they destroyed it.

"Flywheel, Shyster, and Flywheel" (aka "Beagle, Shyster, and Beagle") was
a radio show done by Groucho and Chico in the 30s.  It contains original
material and bits from their movies (sometimes taken from movies for the
radio show, sometimes taken from the radio show for their movies).
There is a book ("Flywheel, Shyster, and Flywheel") which contains all
the radio scripts.

TV appearances survive, notably "The Incredible Jewel Robbery" (mostly Harpo
and Chico), Harpo on "I Love Lucy", "Showdown at Ulcer Gulch" (Groucho &
Chico), Groucho's later one-man show, and, of course You Bet Your Life (Harpo
appears in one).

Plenty of books on them, I like "Groucho, Harpo, Chico, and sometimes Zeppo"
by Joe Adamson.

A good documentary is "The Marx Brothers in a Nutshell", shows up on PBS
every now & then.

---
Merlyn LeRoy
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From: dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge)
Subject: Ender's Game (was Re: Possible Foundation movie?)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 06:42:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.010640.19635@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
>lintz@buster.cis.udel.edu (Brian Lintz) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Aug23.222254.3718@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
>>>lintz@buster.cis.udel.edu (Brian Lintz) writes:
>>>
>>>>Well, this isn't exactly a classic, but I think Orson Scott Card's
>>>>_Ender's Game_ would translate pretty well. 

Most of the book flows forward in time fairly consistently (i.e. not
a lot of flashbacks and such), so it could probably be scripted faithfully.
I don't know how well the last section (after the "final exam") would
translate, though.

Pulling off the null-gravity effects convincingly could be a bit of trouble.

>>>I disagree. A major part of the parts (..) will be played by children.
>>>Child actors can spoil almost any movie due to the "cuteness trap".
>
>>Well, it could happen, I suppose. You just have to have a good casting
>>director.

Getting the right actors would be absolutely the MOST important aspect of
making a film from this book. Finding actors that could pull it off could
be a very daunting task.

>>Also, there is a lot of violence in this book. How
>>cute will Ender look when he kicks a kids head in, in the first 
>>15 minutes of the movie.

Well, at least it would set the mood for the rest of the film. This isn't
"Hook" and if the audience didn't know it coming in, they'd sure know it
now. :-)

>You might be right, it just that that when I read the book (one stretch
>btw) I never thought of them as kids.

This is where the casting problems come up. When I read it a few days ago
I found it VERY hard to picture them as such young kids. I kept seeing
them as 14-16 years old but then every now and then the book would remind
me that these are just 7-12 year old children. Finding a bunch of very
young actors that could make people *believe* that they were really like
this could be a real problem.

>There is a great risk that the viewer will think "oh, what a shame to
>treat kids this way" and forget about the other qualities of the movie.

You'd have to market it as a film for adults, and make that VERY clear
to the audience before they come in. If you can make the audience believe
this is a "serious" picture and not an adventure-fantasy for (pre)teens
then you could probably pull it off. I've seen some non-American films that
treat kids very seriously and put them through hell (e.g. "Landscape in
the Mist") and it can work well if it's done right.

>Another part of the audience
>could very well suffer from the "Wesley-syndrom" known from Startrek

Get it rated NC-17 and you can stop worrying about this :-)

                                            -Dave Dodge/dododge@wam.umd.edu
From: rcbi27@muvms3.bitnet (DBRUM)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Dr. Strangelove question
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:28:06 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

I don't know for sure if he plays the Russian Embassador, but the only
name I don't recognize in the video guide blurb is Peter Bull.

"Do you recognize the sound of my voice, Mandrake?"

--danny
-- 
	"Were his solid black square paintings really,
	as the artist claimed, simply neutral, abstract
	compositions devoid of external references and
	meanings?" ***********************************
From: jamesc@cs.concordia.ca (SCHIDLOWSKY james c.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Double Life of Veronique: Soundtrack?
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:35:02 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

In article <1992Aug27.182200.23904@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.SKW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Susan Wandling) writes:
>Need some help locating a soundtrack, if it exists.  The movie:
>"The Double Life of Veronique."  The orchestral music was supposed
>to be by a Hungarian composer (fictional?).  The theme music was
>beautiful too, might have been a variation throughout.  I'd
>really really like to get my hands on the CD.  thanks for your help.

Well, I don't have it, but I know it exists, because a friend of a friend
went to great lengths to get it.  (I'm trying desperately to borrow it!).
Anyway, the story goes that the composer is indeed fictional.  In reality,
the composer is one who has done the music for a few of Kieslowski's other
films (I don't know the name myself).  I hope this gives you some hope.

_-_
</+\:=-- James.                 /\                                          <\
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From: primeaux@wham-o.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:12:49 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
Reply-To: primeaux@wham-o.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux)
NNTP-Posting-Host: wham-o.cs.utk.edu

My most embarassing movie was one I saw in Belgium around 1973:  "Themrock."
As I recall, the title was also the totality of the script
as primitive, cavedwelling persons living in the present
bumble around the screen.  But please, I've been trying to forget!
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From: stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame)
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:26:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.215528.29891@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> mlh@eddy.austin.ibm.com (Mike Haskell) writes:
>
> What is the most embarassing movie you have ever seen?  (What I mean by
> embarassing, is that you feel absolutely miniscule when the lights come
> up and you HAVE to walk out of the theater with every other bonehead
> who bought a ticket to this turkey).  Movies on video don't count as
> your stupidity is hidden by the walls of your house. :-)

I don't have this problem.  I always sit through the closing credits and
by then, everyone is usually gone.  The few who are left recognize me as
a fellow weirdo and I don't feel any embarrassment.

		-- Stewart "ignore this quoted phrase" Tame

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Pee-wee Herman, Bart Simpson, Tipper Gore, Murphy Brown, Maggie Thatcher,
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From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:39:53 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
Originator: gharris@jade.tufts.edu

In article <1992Sep2.045118.14419@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
>
>I don't know. I liked this one! Seemed to me to be a good recovery for Craven,
>after the very disappointing "Hills Have Eyes 2" <If you saw this in a theatre,
>it would be embarrassing!>, and the kinda dumb "Shocker". But even so, I 
>wouldn't think you'd be embarassed walking out...

	Color me embarassed, then.  God, even the dog had flashbacks.  Of course
 it was in a double feature with something called Secret Ninja which was almost
worse.

>					--Judex--
--
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George W. Harris                chance in the world, and stomped ever one 
Dept. of Mathematics            of them chances down in the dirt like a 
Tufts University                bug."   _The Devil's Dream_
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From: dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge)
Subject: Re: letterboxed VHS movies?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 06:14:23 GMT

In article <18348vINNf4n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cb366@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark B. Bendiksen) writes:
>
>Robert Chao writes:
>
>>What movies are letterboxed on VHS? The only one I've seen around
>>is Manhattan.
>
>To the dismay of one who does not own a LaserDisc player, most
>VHS movies are not letterboxed. I guess someday I'll have to
>save my pennies and get one.
>
>FYI, _The Color Purple_ is letterboxed in VHS format. Thanks
>Steven!
>
>I believe a recent rerelease of _Apocalpyse Now_ on VHS is
>also letterboxed, but don't flame me if I'm wrong....

Here's some (NTSC VHS):

  Always
  Lawrence of Arabia (restored)
  Spartacus (restored)                 <--- not positive
  2001
  Akira Kurosawa's Dreams
  The Hidden Fortress
  Last Tango in Paris [R]
  Last Tango in Paris [X]
  Dangerous Liasons
  Tampopo
  The Cook, the Thief, his Wife, and her Lover
  La Femme Nikita
  Akira
  It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World
  Napoleon

Most letterboxed VHS releases aren't letterboxed fully. Corresponding
letterboxed LD releases will generally be closer to the full aspect ratio.

                                           -Dave Dodge/dododge@wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 27 Aug 1992 11:48:11 CDT
From: <U38956@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Aliens 3 and stuff
Distribution: rec
 <BtnAAs.6s9@acsu.buffalo.edu>

I agree that Alien 3 was pretty raunchy.  As a movie by itself (had there
have been no Alien and Aliens) it would have been OK.  But as a sequel?

The thing that got me the most is that in the future year of 2470 or whatever
year it was, we have all this high technology--so high we can travel through
the voids of space and hypersleep, etc--yet we are still SO DUMB that
we still where glasses (you'd think someone could've found a REAL corrective
measure for this age-old problem) AND we still use the friggin' english
system of measurement rather than SI!  (At the end, they say that they would
pour so many TONS of liquid metal on the alien).  You'd think someone
in the future would have realized that it's much easier to use a system
based on 10 then one based on 32.2!  I bet the Alien was using the SI system!
(Hey, Aliens don't where glasses either!  Hmmmmm.......)

Bones
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
From: hafner@ifi.unizh.ch (Michel Hafner)
Subject: Re: Double Life of Veronique: Soundtrack?
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 10:12:22 GMT

In article <gswy9gk@rpi.edu> garrem@aix.rpi.edu (Matthew Olsen Garretson) writes:
>And now for the chain-of-thought thought of the day: the guy who directed
>EUROPA, EUROPA will be directing the film version of the musical THE SECRET
>GARDEN. I forget his name.

This guy is a girl: Agnieszka Holland
								M.H.
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Best shots wanted
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 18:16:30 GMT

>tsui@ils.nwu.edu writes:
>
>> If people want to see real filmmaking at its best, check out John Woo's films
>> (same goes for Tsui Hark's stuff).

Do you really think Woo and Hark are comparable with the finest films of
Kurosawa, Welles, Renoir, Hitchcock, Ford, Bergman, Eisenstein, Fellini,
and von Stroheim?  I don't.  The best I've heard anyone else claim for them
is that their works are superior to contemporary Hollywood action films.
Personally, I wouldn't even call them the best, or even the second best,
Chinese directors.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
From: tsui@ils.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Best shots wanted
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:21:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: ils.1992Aug28.172103.6245
Distribution: usa
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences

In John Woo's HARDBOILED in the opening scene where Chow Yun Fat is shooting at
gun smugglers.  Towards the end of the scene he jumps over a table in a kitchen
as the bad guy fires at him from the ground with a machine gun.  Somehow Chow
Yun Fat dodges the bullets and lands right next to the bad guy.  He is covered
with flour (from the shots hitting bags of flour) and his face is completely
white.  As he lands right by the bad guy he points the gun right at his
forehead.  There is a delay as the bad guy stares at the gun pointed in his
forehead.  We see a close-up of Chow Yun Fat's floured face.  Suddenly there is
a loud shot from his gun and blood splatters all over his face.  

Classic because of the contrast of Chow Yun Fat's ultra white face being
splattered with the bad guy's blood, a good way of being gory without showing
anything.

If people want to see real filmmaking at its best, check out John Woo's films
(same goes for Tsui Hark's stuff).

Joshua Tsui
INSTITUTE FOR THE LEARNING SCIENCES
(the high school after high school)
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