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From: stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman)
Subject: duke/unc coexistence
Originator: stuart@mingus
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:35:28 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA


Yes, it IS possible to live in the heart of the NC Triangle and manage to
live peacefully and happily with the Duke-UNC rivalry. In fact, I'd say it's
more fun to have such a high-level of basketball competition in such a small
area. I was a Carolina student, living in the same dorm as the team, and I 
simultaneously worked at the radio station on Duke's East Campus that carried
Duke bb games. I knew people at both schools (and over at NC State, for that
matter), so I was able to go to games at both Cameron Indoor Stadium and the 
old Carmichael Auditorium (this was pre-Dome days). I also frequented both
the Chapel Hill bar that Tar Heel players would slip into and the Durham bar
where one would find various Blue Devils. I even had a Duke girlfriend for a
while (a little Montague-Capulet scenario). I wouldn't trade it. Sure, bring 
on a Duke-UNC NCAA Final. What a blast. The action would never stop around
there. It'd easily be the biggest news story in the state.

                                                  -stuart@apollo.hp.com

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From: kyle@sumac16.cray.com (John Kyle)
Subject: UK and UNC schedules
Originator: kyle@sumac16
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:48:13 CST


Would someone mind sending me the schedules for UNC and UK? 
Also, if you have them, would you mind sending their TV 
schedules?

				Thanks very much,
				      John
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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Recruiting - SunBelt
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 12:34:48 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

UAB looks like they did fairly well as did Western Kentucky. Bobby Knight
said Danyell Macklin could be the next Calbert Cheaney. Western Kentucky
recruited this kid for 3 years and he spurned offers from both Louisville
and Indiana. 

Barry Bowman(#83)         6-3  2G  Lexington, KY                 SW Louisiana
Brad Cirino               6-5  G/F Old Westbury, NY              Western Kentucky
Arnell Hamilton           6-7  PF  Jackson, AL                   South Alabama
Chad Jones                6-4  2G  Vestavia Hills, AL            UAB
Chris Lee(#135)           6-7  WF  Memphis, TN                   UAB
Andre Lewis               6-6  PG  Albany, GA                    Western Kentucky
Danyell Macklin(#71)      6-6  WF  Louisville, KY                Western Kentucky
Kevin Scruggs             6-6  F   Boynton, OK                   SW Louisiana
Carlos Williams(#113)     6-5  G/F Detroit, MI                   UAB

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Subject: Re: Fight!
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 16:49:22 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

>We all know that if Knight was down by this many points, he would either
>already be long gone, or would just be sitting back, sulking.  He only gets
>excited during close games.
>-- 

I've only seen a few of the Hoosier games so I can't say for sure but..
The General seems a bit sedate this year.
Anybody else have this impression?
Is it too early?
 


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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: duke/unc coexistence
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:30:54 GMT

In article <Bz3yB4.EoB@apollo.hp.com> stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman)  
writes:
> 
> Yes, it IS possible to live in the heart of the NC Triangle and manage to
> live peacefully and happily with the Duke-UNC rivalry. In fact, I'd say it's
> more fun to have such a high-level of basketball competition in such a small
> area.

I said in my post that it was possible, but also that it is far
from the norm.  

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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Recruiting - SouthWest
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 12:30:20 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

Not very good if you judge in terms of rankings. Why has the SWC had such
a rough time recruiting? Is it all that football?

Chris Boyd                6-5  WF  Paramount, CA                 Southern Methodist
Anthony Burks             5-10 PG  Ft.Worth, TX                  Texas A&M
Jess Cravens(#68)         6-7  WF  San Antonio, TX               Rice
Reggie Freeman            6-5  WF  New York, NY                  Texas
Rodney Griggs             6-9  C/F Hueytown, AL                  Houston
Erion Harris              6-4  WF  Grand Prairie, TX             Southern Methodist
Jabari Hearn              6-3  2G  Oak Park, IL                  Southern Methodist
Curley Johnson            6-5  PF  LeBeau, LA                    Houston
Troy Matthews             6-3  2G  Los Angeles, CA               Southern Methodist
Scott Oliver              6-9  C   Fayetteville, AR              Rice
Kareem Poole              6-9  C   Lukfin, TX                    Baylor
Chris Pulliams            6-7  WF  San Antonio, TX               Texas A&M
Eric Singletary           6-2  PG  Washington, DC                Rice

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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Basketball lovers dreamland
Date: 13 Dec 1992 21:23:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Someone take a look at next Saturday and tell me I'm not dreaming.  Basketball
starts at 12:30AM Eastern, and proceeds until about 2AM Sunday! 

Louisville at Georgia Tech
UCLA at Georgia
Cincinnati at Indiana
Iowa St at Michigan
Ohio ST at West Virginia
Texas at Utah

Not only that, but if they games get too boring, there's 2 NBA games, WGN
Bulls vs 76ers and TNT Orlando vs Hawks.  Gotta love it!

Mike
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From: jjungbau@eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Re: Chris Webber
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 22:00:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.213755.11659@u.washington.edu>, crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
|> daveyang@next08cville.wam.umd.edu (God'sservant) writes:
|> 
|> >Chris Webber's E-mail address: [...account name deleted...]
|> 
|> Is it just me, or does anyone else think that posting account names of 
|> athletes in college is a bad idea?  I think these guys get enough pressure
|> already--we don't need to add to it by sending them unsolicited e-mail, etc.

I agree, Cliff.  This kind of thing can lead to a lot of mail from a bunch
of jerks who will think it's neat to harrass the players through their accounts.
They're high profile figures, and there are going to be people who will abuse this.
Granted, people could find this stuff out if they wanted to, but putting them on
the newsgroup for everyone to see will only make *many* more people aware of it,
and undoubtedly give some people ideas that they wouldn't have otherwise had.

Jim
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Recruiting: Comments
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:49:20 CST

In article <BzGrFt.L73@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
>>10. Rashard Griffith (7-1 C): Bill Cartwright, Joe Barry Carroll, 
>>				Kevin Duckworth
>
>	Ouch.  Some pretty ominous comparisons.  Each were good players, but
>	probably some of the most maligned centers U could think of.  Hope
>	Griffith makes a name for himself.

Damn, Jazzy beats me to a punchline again...  I was about to moan about
this comparison, but somebody else did it for me.

I was wondering if I'd have to go through 3 or 4 more years of a Joe
"Cry-baby" Carroll...
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Big Ten Update (12-18-92)
Keywords: Big Ten
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:43:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.124129.9505@iscsvax.uni.edu> wallingf@nova.cs.uni.edu ( Eugene Wallingford ) writes:
>Randy Peppler writes:
>
>>Sunday-Tuesday (12-20/22):
>>
>>	Iowa vs. American U. of Puerto Rico at the San Juan Shootout
>
>     Just to fill in the draw for this tournament...
>
>              --   Iowa vs American University (PR)      --
>           --|                                             |--
>          |   --   Illinois-Chicago vs Eastern Michigan  --   |
>        --|                                                   |--
>          |   --   Southern Illinois vs Radford          --   |
>           --|                                             |--
>              --   Mississippi State vs Florida Int'l    --
>
>     Iowa has already beaten Mississippi State in the final of the
>     Amana Hawkeye Classic.  UIC has given Illinois and Michigan
>     State tough games.  Southern Illinois is 4-0 so far...


	Well, I'd expect Miss. State and SIU to provide the competition
	for Iowa.  Houston beat UIC 92-66, so one wonders a little about
	UIC, even though they did almost beat Illinois and Mich. State...

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From: kjordan@williams.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: NESCAC: Any Interest?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 14:06:20 GMT
Organization: Williams College Ctr for Computing
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mac_jordan.cc.williams.edu

In article <Bz9p2C.7wC@unix.amherst.edu> acbonin@unix.amherst.edu (Adam Bonin)
writes:

>So, if you're from Bowdoin, Colby, ConnCol, Wesleyan, Williams, Tufts, 
>Trinity or Hamilton, let's talk hoops.
>
>-adam
>-----
>Adam Bonin '94
>Amherst College
>acbonin@amherst.edu
>
I'll cover Williams College Ephmen. No games until January.

Kimberly Jordan (Williams '88)
Academic Computing Support
Williams College
kimberly.jordan@williams.edu

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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Recruiting - Colonial
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 21:11:18 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

The kid from Wisconsin likes the beach action. That's why he picked 
UNC-Wilmington. Hell, if I had to do it over again, I'd pick it too.

Kenny Avent               6-5  WF  Beltsville, MD                UNC-Wilmington
Damon Bacote(#62)         6-3  2G  Hampton, VA                   Richmond
Ryan Culicerto            6-4  2G  Beckley, WV                   James Madison
Lamont Franklin           6-0  PG  Temple Hills, MD              UNC-Wilmington
Rob Gibbons               6-9  C/F Denville, NJ                  George Mason
Mark Johnson              6-4  2G  Altavista, VA                 Old Dominion
Bill Mayew                6-7  PF  Kenosha, WI                   UNC-Wilmington
Curtis McCants            6-1  PG  Pawtucket, RI                 George Mason
Corey Robinson            6-2  2G  Gaithersburg, MD              Old Dominion
Skip Schaefbauer          6-3  2G  Elk River, MN                 East Carolina
Michael Sharp             6-8  PF  Chesapeake, VA                George Mason
Edmund Sherod             6-3  2G  Richmond, VA                  Old Dominion
Gary Williams             6-6  PF  Bay Shore, NY                 Richmond

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From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Is Laettner gay?
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:05:10 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Dec20.214503.22502@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>
>You people at Michigan don't have too much respect for privacy, do you?
>
>

Nobody is the spokesperson for their entire school.
Surely you've seen the sigs!!
 
Poor Netiquette is rampant and I doubt Michigan is to blame.

P.S.  I agree with you on both the examples you cite.
 
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From: orourke@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Michael O'Rourke)
Subject: Re: Ben Davis out from Kansas ?
Keywords: Ben Davis
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:00:55 GMT

In <1992Dec18.022926.6799@fcom.cc.utah.edu> gvbalaji@utah.edu (Gopalan
V Balaji) writes:

>Ben Davis was a very authoritative post player, from what I saw 
>in his freshmen year last year.  What happened to him at Kansas,
>and where is he playing (or going to play next year).

>Kansas, Duke, Indiana, NC, UM, UK - three of these will be there
>in New Orleans in March.

While he was authoritative at times, he spent most of the year playing
like a freshman.  He had some nice games early in the year when he was
a spot starter, but as soon as he was relegated to the bench, his game
fell off.  During the Big Eight season, he looked lost and confused.
He wasn't aggressive and his rebounding numbers declined.  Jayhawk
fans were led to believe the guy was the second coming of Buck
Williams, but he certainly didn't play like him last season.  Davis
was just a freshman, though.

Word out of Lawrence this year was that he looked much more confident
and aggressive in practice -- some even said that he was the best
player on the court.  But he decided to quit the team and transfer in
mid-November, citing homesickness as the principal reason. I would
imagine that the possibility of coming off the bench for two more
years as Richard Scott's substitute also figured into his decision.

He will reportedly begin practicing as a member of the Florida Gators
on Saturday.  He will be eligible to play in the spring of 1994.
Perhaps the change of scenery will help him.  He will probably be the
go-to guy for the Gators, a more familiar role for him than the one
Roy asked him to play last season.  Will he play like the guy who led
the Olympic Festival (and Glenn Robinson) in scoring and rebounding in
the summer of 1991?  For Lon Kruger's sake, I hope so.

His absence leaves Kansas thin in the frontcourt, a weakness that a
Michigan or a North Carolina (or a Missouri or Oklahoma, for that
matter) could exploit.  Hancock can switch over and play power
forward, but he is far too thin to do that on a regular basis.  And
now, with Ostertag out until early January, KU has only two legitimate
frontcourt players: Richard Scott and Eric Pauley.  Duke seems to do
pretty well with only a couple of true post players, so perhaps KU can
get by.

Rock Chalk
orourke@csli.stanford.edu
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kentucky MASH'ed Louisville
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:14:24 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

Jeffrey N. Burch writes:
>Jeff Davis writes: 

    [disagreements with me about UL's talent deleted]
>
>>Who would you rather play for? 
>
>I can't believe you actually asked me who I'd rather play for!
>You know the answer to that even without asking!

Sorry. That was a Big Tent "you" asking the net as a whole
the question. My own feeling listening to most coaches
yammer away is that there are about half a dozen in the country,
that were I 18 again and talented, I could abide being
in the same room with, and about half that many who I'd
like to play for: Crum, Cremins, and that guy at Princeton. I
like watching Pitino's teams play but (again this is r.s.b.c.fantasy)
I'd hear one of his patronizing pitches and there'd be this
little receeding-into-infinity cut-out of my figure through
the walls. I couldn't hack Coach K's earnestness and that voice!
it would be like discovering you just married a fish monger. 
Dean Smith? I dunno. Maybe add him in to the other 3 to make
it 4. Mostly, you have to apply McGuire's Law to coaches: they
have to be smart enough to do it, and dumb enough to think it's
important. 
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From: George.Harris@launchpad.unc.edu (George Harris)
Subject: Re: fab 5's public statements
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:59:38 GMT

In article <PpT=!S-@engin.umich.edu> quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy) writes:
> 
>I suspect that the players sometimes play with the media and "just
>make stuff up" and then laugh when it's printed or aired.  This is
>what I've heard from a friend of a friend.  Admittedly, not very
>reliable, but somewhat realistic in light of other responses to
>too many cameras and questions.

	Gee, that's extremely stupid.  Deliberately giving provocative 
statements to the press so that you're opponents will have extra motivation
when they play you, and you look *extremely* stupid when you lose.  If that's
the rep the Michigan bball team wants, they've got it.

>You are certainly entitled to your beliefs, but I'd recommend that
>you ignore the trash talk.  As any coach will tell you,  it's 
>only meant to get your goat and distract you from doing your best.

	That may be what it's meant to do, but what it accomplishes is 
motivating your opponents and making you look like a fool.  Better advice 
would be to can the trash talk, at least off the court.

>Bryan.Luedy@um.cc.umich.edu
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: Money Money Money ?
Keywords: NCAA Tournament Payoffs
Organization: Blue Riddle Productions
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:18:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.204709.23469@leland.Stanford.EDU> matthew bohnert writes:
>I don't know if this has been remedied or not, but one of the big `beefs'
>that many schools had with the NCAA in years past was that the 4 Final Four
>teams got monster $, while the other 60 teams (not counting those who didn't
>make it) got jack-squat.  Two years ago I believe it was something on the order
>of $1.4M for each F-four team, but I'm not sure what it is now.  There was
>a dramatic dropoff after those four payouts.

If i remember correctly, each team making the tournament got about a quarter
of a million bucks.  This is what drives those little teams in the conference
tournaments - if they can bring a quarter of a mil into their program (or the
school itself, for that matter), that means a lot to the advancement of the
program.

>Supposedly, the basis of the complaint was that if only the four best teams
>got so much, while the rest got so little, it would encourage everyone
>to cheat in order to make the F-four.  I dunno.  What I do know is that
>for all of the college football games on TV, gate receipts from football,
>basketball, and other assorted sports, the NCAA still derives 80% of all
>its revenue from ONE item : the TV rights to the basketball tournament.
>You can bet it will bend over backwards in any way it needs to to keep
>that coming.

And you can bet those numbers will shrink as the networks continue to lose
money.  This is where baseball is right now.  Hopefully the Final Four won't
turn out the same.

>Matt Bohnert
>
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From: mzwick@vitro.com (Morris J. Zwick)
Subject: Re: Maryland v. Clemson Sanctions
Organization: Vitro Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:55:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.174547.21601@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>
oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.073417.5115@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu  
>(MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN) writes:
>> Was what Maryland did nearly as bad as the Clemson Violations?  If not (and
I
>> believe they weren't) why was Maryland's sanction so much harsher?  See post
>> on Clemson Sanctions.
>
>Maybe the NCAA reads this newsgroup.
>
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>

All decisions by the NCAA are arbitrary and final! :)

BTW, I think UM's sanctions were a result of their clean history. Clemson is an
old pro at violations, so the NCAA is familiar with them. Kind of hard to
punish your friends :)

In all seriousness, I don't like to see any ACC teams on probation. The NCAA
needs a more consistent policy for determining punishments!

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