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Subject: Re: Upcoming British Isles Conventions
From: mikew@mdcbbs.com (Mike 'the Bard' Whitaker)
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:12:52 PDT
Organization: Shape Data - a division of EDS Ltd

In article <1992Aug14.103757.25895@lut.ac.uk> 
	steve_glover@hicom.lut.ac.uk writes:
>16-18 October Octocon 92. Royal Marine Hotel Dun Laoghaire (ask the taxi/bus
>for "dunleary" and you'll get there...). Co Dublin, EIRE (see why I said
>"british isles, now?). Orson Scott Card, Diane Duane, Katherine Kurtz, Anne
>McCaffrey, Scott McMillan, Peter Morwood, James White. 13 pounds (variety
>unspecified, try Sterling first) attn, 6 support, 6 u-16 attn. Octocon 92, 30
>Beverley Downs, Knocklyon, Dublin 16. Phone +(353) 1 934712

rate is 13 *Irish* punts, I believe - around 15 UK Pounds should cover.
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From: Laurie Mann
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: Seeking Magicon Info
Keywords: At-the-Doors DEFINITELY Available
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:27:00 GMT
Reply-To: lmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Distribution: rec

Nancy Lebovitz writes
>I have tables at Magicon but no memberships--does anyone know if this
>is a serious problem that needs to be handled in some way, or can I
>just get memberships at the door?  

Absolutely.  All kinds of memberships are available
at the door.  They go on sale Wednesday at 4pm.  Here
are the at-the-door rates:

     Adult attending, entire convention       $135
     Friday---Monday                          $130
     Saturday---Monday                        $ 95
     Sunday---Monday                          $ 60
     Adult attending, Thursday or Monday only $ 30
     Friday, or Saturday, or Sunday only      $ 45

     Children attending, entire convention    $ 90


I can post the kids' daily at-the-door rates if anyone is
interested.  I just have to put them on-line first.

See you there!

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From: higgins@fnalb.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)
Subject: Nice Facilities to Have (was Re: con reports)
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 09:46:13 GMT
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In article <l8c2ffINNbrt@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, carole@peregrine.Sun.COM (Carole Parker) writes:
> In article <713032751snx@keris.demon.co.uk> chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton) writes:
>>In article <56013@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> f3w@mentor.cc.purdue.edu writes:
>>> What makes a good con?
>>2)  Facilities.  I don't just mean whether the panels have microphones
>>(although that helps!), but the overall setting.  
>>
> Essentially: enough rooms for all the interests to be accomodated.  

Personally, I like having a slide projector in the rooms.

Especially when I've agreed to talk for an hour and show some slides.

You'd be surpised how many concoms have trouble with this.  Doesn't
matter if I've given them a few weeks' notice, or a few months', or a
year's.

(A screen is a nice thing to have, too.)

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From: nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz)
Subject: Re: Seeking Magicon Info
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:44:13 GMT

I have tables at Magicon but no memberships--does anyone know if this
is a serious problem that needs to be handled in some way, or can I
just get memberships at the door?  If you have information, please
get back to me asap--I'm heading out tonight (the 17th) for Gencon,
and won't be home till after Worldcon. 

Many thanks, and please excuse me for taking up bandwidth if the
answer is obvious--the possibility of a problem just occurred to
me, and I can't reach Magicon quickly now.

                                  ---Nancy Lebovitz
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                                        by email
                                  nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu
From: "colin mcgregor" <colin.mcgregor@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: scanners in florida
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:41:38 EST
Reply-To: "colin mcgregor" <colin.mcgregor@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

I gather that Florida has a scanner law on the books against scanners
in cars and on "business premises". I have also read of how extreme
some cops in the state of New Jersey has been in enforcement of it's
scanner laws. This leaves me with some questions for my upcoming
trip to Florida:

- I have a two metre ham radio and as with most modern 2 metre ham
  radios it can be set to listen in on frequencies well outside the
  ham two metre band. This radio also has a scan function (not a very
  good one, but it is there). Would this radio be considered to be a
  scanner radio as far as this law is concerned? Can I carry my
  radio around in a car?

- Is a hotel/motel room considered to be a "business premises"?

- How well is this law enforced?

Were it not for some of the horror stories I have heard out of New
Jersey, I would not consider the above worth asking...but better
safe than sorry.
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From: aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine)
Subject: Re: Police And Conventions
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 17:38:06 GMT
Organization: Bill 'n' Opus for Prez

In article <krikket.6479@meltdown.chi.il.us> krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.081230.111730@zeus.calpoly.edu>, kwang@zeus.calpoly.edu
>(Kevin Wang aka The Scarecrow) writes:
>>The following post was posted quite awhile back. 
>>I don't remember who (was it you, eoin?) originally posted it,
>>but here it is...
>
>This letter was also sent to me via Email. (WITH the header)...  So I can say
>that it was "aahz@netcom.COM (Mean Green Washing Machine)"  (Besides the user
>also signed the message with his Net Address!!!)

Hmph.  I resemble that remark.
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From: eoin@xocolatl.com (John F. Snyder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Conventions from hell.
Date: 21 Aug 92 07:55:13 GMT
Reply-To: eoin@xocolatl.com
Organization: Amethyst Systems, Fremont, CA

kwang@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kevin Wang aka The Scarecrow) writes:

-> In rec.arts.sf.fandom krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick) writes:
-> >In article <1992Aug14.185948.122227@zeus.calpoly.edu>, kwang@zeus.calpoly.ed
-> >(Kevin Wang aka The Scarecrow) writes:
-> >
-> >>Of course, there was always the incident of "The Hotel Rules From Hell"
-> >>last year at Timecon (?).
-> >
-> >Please do give details!  Should be interesting to compare to NaziCon! 
-> >(CapriCon '88)...
-> 
-> The following post was posted quite awhile back. 
-> I don't remember who (was it you, eoin?) originally posted it,
-> but here it is...

<<TimeCon rules deleted>>

If you had the end of the posting you would have noticed that
it was originally posted by Aahz@netcom.com.

Not directly tied to that incident.  This years convention (renamed
ConFused, for varied and confusing reasons, thus the name change. 
Confused?) was the last convention to put on by Conventions of Time, Ltd.
So unless someone with deep pockets wants to run it, TimeCon/ConFused
is a dead convention, it has gone to meet it maker, it is deceased.



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From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
Subject: What makes a good Con? 
Distribution: world
Organization: Keristor Systems
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 23:56:14 +0000


In article <1992Aug10.035344.7045@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>
	    comrade@uniwa.uwa.edu.au writes:

> But guests climb out of them [open windows: Ed] and members use up
> your public liability insurance ;-)

At one British con, I've heard that one of the guests was missing when
the time came for his talk.  His room was found locked with the key
inside, and when opened contained a shoelace hanging up with a message
saying that he had found a timewarp in his room and was going to climb
down the shoelace to investigate...

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From: mcmahon@tgv.com (John 'Fast-Eddie/FuzzFace' McMahon)
Subject: Re: Police And Conventions
Reply-To: mcmahon@tgv.com
Organization: TGV Incorporated (Tech Support) in Santa Cruz, CA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:41:18 GMT


In article <1992Aug12.192415.25175@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, sschend@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve E Schendel) writes:
=
=You bring up good points about walkie talkies at cons.  I always have some fun
=tuning my ham handy talkie on con security frequencies.  Most of 'em get real 
=upset
=that someone else "unauthorized person" has access to "their" communications.

Typically the more "in the know" people are about radios, the more likely
they are to understand that they are unsecure (use the phones!) and potentially
monitored.  Radios are good for communications of a general nature, or
when picking up a phone is a big problem.

There was one con where I was glad we had the radios, most of the house phones
had been trashed by con attendees who get their kicks from that sort of thing.

=At Marcon here in Columbus, I was asked to take the radio away (which I didnt'
=do).  Back in another city I lived, I was actually booted from the con.

That's downright silly (that it happened).  Whenever I use a radio (be it
at a professional convention, worldcon or your average sci-fi convention)
I assume someone is listening, but then again a good number of friends of
mine are hams.  One of these days I'll become a ham, when I find the time.

The only time I asked anyone to put their radios away was when they were 
transmitting on our frequencies and disrupting our work.  That seemed
reasonable.

=The point is you really don't need radios at a con.

I disagree, they can be a useful tool.  But they have to remain a tool,
not a status symbol or badge of power.  That's not a function of what
equipment you use, it's a function of the leadership (or lack therof)
of your security people.

=Phones are private, realiable (no
=batteries), and cheaper.

True, but radios allow easier conferencing.  They also allow you to
communicate in "non-phone" areas.  They are also mobile, and most
con committee folks are pretty mobile.  :-)

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From: mvp@hsv3.lsil.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Re: con reports
Organization: Video 7 + G2 = Headland Technology
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:57:21 GMT

In article <l8c2ffINNbrt@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> carole@peregrine.Sun.COM (Carole Parker) writes:
>Essentially: enough rooms for all the interests to be accomodated.  
>Air circulation also plays an important part.  Stuffy rooms don't
>make it for me.

Yes!  Rooms need adequate air conditioning, with an air conditioner
that doesn't drown out the panel and/or the audience with its howling.
The bigger rooms usually seem to be OK in this regard, but often the
small meeting rooms have very inadequate ventilation.

You need adequate soundproofing between rooms.  A constant problem is
when the "ballrooms" are split up, and movie trailers are being shown
in one of the parts while a panel attempts to shout above the din in
the other.

>Constantly changing schedules so when you figured to see a programming
>item, you find out that it was four hours before but it wasn't published
>in the previous evening's newsletter.

I know it's impossible, but it would be *very* nice to get a schedule
in the last progress report.  Many's the time I've found a panel I'd
have really liked to have heard was scheduled on the morning of the
first day, when I got there that afternoon.

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From: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Ham Radio at Worldcon (MagicCon)
Date: 16 Aug 92 00:50:44 GMT
Reply-To: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY)
Organization: The Next Challenge, Fairfax, Va.


Last week I got a letter from one of the other hams attending
MagicCon.  Bring your dual-bander, if you have one.  The best repeater
for the complex is on 440, and the control op has agreed to give those
attending MagicCon temporary voicemail accounts on it.  Trouble is, I
left the letter at the office and can't give you the poop on it right
now.

I figur that 146.52, 146.55, and 446.0 will be our simplex freqs.

Also, the Animated Babbling Quacker will be available for those making
day trips to Disneyworld (147.300+ KB4ABQ/R Disney World ARC).  Last
time I was in the area the club was threatening to install a repeater
voice ID using DD's voice.   B-)

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Subject: Re: Conventions from hell.
From: kwang@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kevin Wang aka The Scarecrow)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 18:57:10 GMT
Organization: The Outland Riders

In rec.arts.sf.fandom eoin@xocolatl.com writes:
>kwang@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kevin Wang aka The Scarecrow) writes:
>
>-> In rec.arts.sf.fandom krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick) writes:
>-> >In article BLAH, kwang@zeus.calpoly.ed
>-> The following post was posted quite awhile back. 
>-> I don't remember who (was it you, eoin?) originally posted it,
>-> but here it is...
>
><<TimeCon rules deleted>>
>
>If you had the end of the posting you would have noticed that
>it was originally posted by Aahz@netcom.com.

so it was 8> <SHEEPISH GRIN> 

>Not directly tied to that incident.  This years convention (renamed
>ConFused, for varied and confusing reasons, thus the name change. 
>Confused?) was the last convention to put on by Conventions of Time, Ltd.
>So unless someone with deep pockets wants to run it, TimeCon/ConFused
>is a dead convention, it has gone to meet it maker, it is deceased.

the story I've heard (quite very reliable: registration head) was that
TimeCon was a "trademarked" name.  The name needs to be re-registered every
couple of years (10?) and it expired sometime last year.  The person who
used to hold the trademark didn't re-register it, so someone else jumped in
and claimed it.  They wanted Conventions of Time to pay 10,000 some odd
dollars JUST so the con could be called "TimeCon"  Somewhere else along the
line, he gave up, and re-offered full rights for a (gosh darn) whole dollar.
or was it someone that bought the TM from him?  

I forget already, but that's reasonably close to the story...

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From: krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: Re: Police And Conventions
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:31:23 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

In article <BsvpJJ.AAz@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, woodcock@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Brad
Woodcock) writes:
>I have worked security for a couple of conventions, and helped with
>several more.  The cons that I have actually worked security, the security
>team consisted of at most 3 people (and some badgers).  The thing
>that I found most important is that the security people don't take
>themselves too seriously.  If you don't act like an officious, overbearing
>asshole most people will treat you reasonably well and even sometimes
>listen to you.

Bravo!

>  The thing I have seen most cons do wrong is that they
>get many more people than are needed to do security and they don't pay
>close enough attention to getting people that are efficient and won't
>go totally power crazed.

Bravo again!

>  Uniforms for cons security are completely out
>of the question.  At best it makes them look like SS members and at worst
>it makes them a joke.  All in all, the uniforms just make the people wearing
>them take themselves entirely too seriously.

Uniforms are a joke....  As a rule, when heading a con security/troubleshooting
group, I've told 'em to wear whatever they want!  (I did get one person in a
uniform, but it fannish garb none-the-less....)

>  Radios are fine, as long as
>people use them correctly.  You don't need to do all that call sign
>and reporting in bull unless you are using radios that are FCC restricted
>to such things.

Correction, it depends on the frequency you are using.  For all business band
radios, yuou are required to use an FCC license by law.  (In practice that
isn't nessisairly the case though, as long as you are curtious on the radio,
and don't waste too much bandwidth and start interfering with other
operations...)

But even having the FCC licence, all that you MIGHT be required to broadcast
are your call-letters once an hour...

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From: "colin mcgregor" <colin.mcgregor@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.fandom
Subject: @ party computer?
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:17:05 EST
Reply-To: "colin mcgregor" <colin.mcgregor@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:

BT>I will have a laptop and a modem jack, but during the party it will
BT>be doing duty as a button generator.   Does anybody have a node in
BT>Orlando that people can log onto?  When will worldcons start having
BT>an Internet terminal room?

Well, as noted in an earlier posting I can bring an ancient N.E.C.
laptop, if no one else will have a machine available (if there will
be another machine available, great, as I do like to travel light). My
N.E.C. laptop has a 300 B.P.S. modem built in (like I said it is
ancient), and sorry but I don't take the "good" stuff traveling.
As well, this machine does not have a backlit display, so a dimmly 
lit room could be a problem.

BT>I have the suite Friday, Saturday & Sunday.   Which night is
BT>preferred?   Each night conflicts.  There's the faire/golf/etc. in the
BT>CC on Friday, the Hugos on Saturday and the Masquerade on Sunday.
BT>I'm also presenting an award on the Friday, though that's fairly early
BT>and not a conflict, and of course I will attend the Hugos.

Put me down for Friday, or Sunday. I WANT to attend the Hugos!!

BT>Most of the publishers do their big bashes after the Hugos, and I want
BT>to attend some of those myself.  Of course I don't have to be at the
BT>party at all times if there are good volunteers.

Sure, I can help.

BT>And I do need some volunteers, at least one in Orlando to help me arrange
BT>the food in advance.  Since this party is being sponsored by ClariNet.
BT>(tax deductable) there will be some low key marketing of jokebooks and
BT>something secret that I'll tell you about there, so I will offer bribes
BT>for any volunteers, including a bed in the suite after the party if
BT>crash space at the Peabody is required (I'm getting an independent room for
BT>some of the nights), free jokebooks and perhaps free secret things.

I will not arrive in Orlando until Sept. 2, so I can't be of much help
there. 
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From: Alan.Moorman@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Alan Moorman)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
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Subject: Go to alt.fan...we don't
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 03:38:10 -0600

Subj: Go to alt.fan...we don't       Conf: (31) Rec.Arts.S

What's a FAQ?

Seriously.

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