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From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Fitness Thoughts
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:38:03 GMT

In article <2A994A35.14703@orion.oac.uci.edu> dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.080344.28886@edwards-vax.af.mil> becker@edwards-vax.af.mil writes:
>>
>>You do realize that for burning FAT you must find your target heart
>>rate and keep it at that rate for 20 minutes before your body begins
>>to burn fat?  THat is why it is good to do a 40 minute aerobic workout
>>twice a day....gives you the best results.  Many people work up to
>>one hour at a time.  The heart rate is the key here, remember that.
>
>	Hmmm.  I did not realize this.  How do you figure out your target heart
>rate?  I am trying to lose 10 pounds right now.  I use the LifeStep machine.

The reason you didn't realize it is that it isn't true.  You are burning
fat the minute you start to exercise.  However, some of the other benefits
of cardiovascular improvement do take longer periods of exercise.  On
his PBS special, Covert Bailey talks about 12 minutes of x-country skiing,
15 minutes of jogging, and 40 minutes of walking as being what you should
aim for.

However, the harder you exercise, the less fat you burn (i.e., anaerobic
exercise burns very little fat).  This is why you should pick an exercise
you *can* do for 20 or more minutes--as it is aerobic almost by definition.

As far as figuring out *your* target heart rate, the best way is to get
on a LifeStep and work up to a pace that you feel you could do for 20
minutes or so and that enables you to talk without gasping.  Now take 
your pulse (feel just below the fleshy base of your thumb on your wrist) 
for 6 seconds.  Multiply that number by 10.  That's a good target heart
rate.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jbaron@dirac.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron)
Subject: Re: Reference Books
Reply-To: jbaron@dirac.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron)
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Lab
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:47:01 GMT

Ron Cecchini writes:
- >plus lots of great photos of the exercises (and Bob! ;-)
- 
- ... don't get too excited there, Janice.  Maybe if your name was Jack,
- or Jim or Jerry...

Oh my God - what *are* we going to do?

But hey, thanks for sharing that oh so important
piece of information with us, Ron.

Jeff

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Subject: Re: step Reebok
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:43:59 GMT

In article <Btwnu4.JL0@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, nancyl@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Nancy 
Lellenberg Bentrup) writes:

> Our university is offering a class called "Step Reebok" which includes
> 20 minutes of "stepping" and 15 minutes of other exercise.  Does anyone
> know anything about this type of class/ form of exercise?  

It's the latest, greatest thing in aerobics classes.   The tempo is
somewhat slower than traditional high- and lo-impact classes.  There are far
fewer butt-wiggling movements, so it appeals more to men.
 
> We are concerned that this form of exercise would be stressful on our
> knees.  Can anyone confirm or deny that it is stressful to knees or other
> body parts?

One study in a local sports mag (SF City Sports) found that step had
about the same "nagging" injury rate as bad old high-impact aerobics, but
well below running.  The injuries do tend to be knee soreness rather than
the stress fractures, shin splints, and sprained ankles you get
with running or high-impact aerobics.  Religiously pursuing any form
of exercise or sport risks some sort of use injury or accident.
 

 
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From: aw@sei.cmu.edu (Anne Wulffraat)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: step Reebok
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:00:43 GMT
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

In article <2SEP199212145846@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>, psburns@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (MAUREEN BURNS) writes:
> In article <1992Sep2.085214.15934@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au>, ccloretta@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au writes...
> 
> I also heard one instructor say to never fully straighten your knee at the
> top of the step.  Seems to work for me... I seem to work my thighs and butt 
> a bit more...
> 
> Maureen

Maureen-
Be Careful! Your instructor probably meant, "Don't *lock* your knees at the top
of the step". That also promotes knee injury. But, as you do when climbing
stairs, you should straighten your leg out - without locking it. When you
don't use the muscle's full range of motion, it doesn't develop evenly, and
you'll find your muscles getting bunchy or stocky as opposed to long and
lean. 
-Anne
From: whare@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: More Fitness Thoughts by Original Author
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:32:31 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


	All I can say is that I'm thrilled by all the responses
to Fitness Thoughts.Needless to say I have a couple of points 
to make and a couple of uestions to.
First: What's the recommended daily fat intake for a 14 - year 
old boy?
	Is weight training bad for kids under the age of 16?
I've heard it causes the long bones to stop growing prematurely.
	This may sound ridiculous but do all people eventually
stop gaining? What I mean is say someone barbell curl 200 pounds
one week could he increase the weight in each workout by one 
more pound?
	Finally I've heard that women have as much as 30% less
muscle cells than men so would that mean that if you compared 
track and field results would it mean that women pushed their 
limitations farther then men?
	This subject on whether fat is being burned when you're
going all out should be answered by saying that if you took a 
fat person to run around a track as fast or as long as they could
they might go around two or three times, collapse and think they
got a great workout even though it would be much more beneficial 
if they walked around the track for an hour.
	Tonight's the night, 100 pushups! I'll post tomorrow
the results.

	Like anyone cares...
	Oops, forgot to mention that if I stated anything in
the male gender I also meant it for females too. Deepest regrets.-- 
                                                          ...RICHARD*design...
                                                          ....Antony R Hare...
                                                          ........President...
                                                          ..whare@ac.dal.ca...

                                                          ..image is almost...
                                                          .......everything...
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: forman@ide.com (Bonnie Forman)
Subject: Re: step/aerobic moves (was: STEP ReeBok 
Organization: Interactive Development Environments, SF
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 14:27:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.014523.1438@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> control3@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Mark Readman) writes:
>
>At the step class that I go to the instructors have
>some great step moves but I wouldnt know how to 
>explain them in a compact way.
>
>Is there a standard way to record moves used in 
>aerobics or step classes ?
>
>Mark.
>
  I teach Jazzercise dance aerobics, which incorporates both 
low- and moderate impact moves interchangeably, and most of the 
moves I use have names (many of which come from dance).  I couldn't 
cue my class very effectively without names (e.g. jazz square
chasse, Kick ball-change, etc.)  New people in class
usually catch on to the terms after one or two classes.

  The step classes I've observed also seem to have
names for specific movements.

  By the way, about Step class being non/low impact.
Have you listened to the sound of your Step class?  If you
can tune out the music and just listen (and maybe watch)
to the sound of those feet slamming on the step--call me
crazy, but it sure doesn't sound like non/low impact to me.

		Bonnie
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From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: cardiovascular improvement vs. fat-burning training
Date: 1 Sep 1992 19:54:02 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


What kind of training emphasizes an increase in cardiovascular
strength without as much fat burning as a typical aerobic workout?

-- 
aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu  (Dan Dooovall)

JETHRO TULL tickets wanted for Chicago, 10/10/92...
prefer 2-4 tickets together, but will take others.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: gamiddle@math.uwaterloo.ca (Guy Middleton)
Subject: Re: Self-Image (was Re: General Fitness)
Organization: MFCF
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:26:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.202621.28342@sei.cmu.edu> aw@sei.cmu.edu (Anne Wulffraat) writes:
> Low self-esteem is a major component of
> eating disorders, and a common (and largely unacknowledged) disorder is
> the so-called "exercise bulimia" in which the athlete exercises fanatically
> in order to reduce the guilt of eating. (Traditional bulimics vomit or
> take laxatives.) Since all the focus of eating disorders tends to be on
> women, I was hoping some people could give me insight into the male
> aspect of things. And the "if it works, why knock it?" theory isn't safe
> in this case. That's like saying anorexia is great because you lose 
> weight. Sorry to go off, but I'm writing a thesis on all of this (can
> you tell?) and I'm tired, frustrated and terribly surprised at the ignorance 
> on this subject.

I'm not sure I understand.  If somebody exercises enough to need a 6000/day
calorie intake, and is in good shape (ie, good strengh, close to target
weight, good cardiovascular fitness), it there anything wrong with that?

I must admit that I occasionally say to myself, "if I eat this yummy dessert,
I should do an extra couple of miles running tonight", but I don't always
actually do the extra miles.  I don't think it is motivated by guilt, just a
need to balance calorie intake with exercise.

 -Guy Middleton, University of Waterloo		gamiddleton@math.waterloo.edu
		(+1 519 885 1211 x3472)		gamiddleton@math.uwaterloo.ca
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Muscle by S. Fussell
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:28:32 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <135410@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> roberts@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov (Don Roberts) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.141339.28738@athena.mit.edu> 
>poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux) writes:
>
>>actually, he [Fussell-ed.] did go back to lifting, and is not just an
>>ordinary looking type...
>
>He indicated in the book that he quit cold turkey. Has he since corrected
>that claim?
>
>	-- Don

for what it's worth, he appeared on 'Geraldo` to defend his book against
some angry bodybuilding journalists.  during the show, he said that he had
returned to lifting, but without the aid of the juice.....

poo

>--
> Dr. Donald W. Roberts                                            Bingoist
>   University of California                                      Physicist
>   Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory         Recreational Bodybuilder
>   dwr@llnl.gov                                           Renaissance Dude
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: tordm@vana (Tord G.M. Malmgren)
Subject: sprinter muscle building
Reply-To: TordM@VanD.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:57:34 GMT


 hello! I've been doing weight-lifting for a couple of time, and I started
out doing 3x10 in all leg-exercises, cos I was told I'd build "micheline"
(the gasoline-man) muscles otherwise. So, I asked at the gym -- what kind
of schedule I should do if I want explosive muscle for my sprinting, and
they just told me that 3x10's good. But I was also told that 3x10 is too
few a rep's, so now I'm doing 3x15 with somewhat lighter weights, but with
a more explosive lift/pull/whatever. Now, is there anybody in net-land who
knows how many rep's I should do to gain good sprinting-muscles??
(as an example, I do 3x15 with 120[kg] (264.5[lb]) in leg-bending-push-ups(?))
thankful for any replies!





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From: psburns@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (MAUREEN BURNS)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: step Reebok
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:14:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep2.085214.15934@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au>, ccloretta@uqvax.cc.uq.oz.au writes...
>In article <1803icINN8bg@early-bird.think.com>, Paco Ojeda <Paco_Ojeda_Gonzalez@macmailgw.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:
>> In article <Btwnu4.JL0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Nancy Lellenberg Bentrup,
>> nancyl@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>>>Our university is offering a class called "Step Reebok" which includes
>>>20 minutes of "stepping" and 15 minutes of other exercise.  Does anyone
>>>know anything about this type of class/ form of exercise?  
>> 
>> Well, I take step class three times a week and it's a wonderful aerobic
>> exercise. I'd be curious to hear from any possible harmful effects to the
>> knees or joints.
>> 
>My gym has recently been trying to discourage people from doing step more than
>3 or 4 times a week - particularly if you are doing propulsion work at the
>higher levels. The reason they have given is that constant stepping will
>eventually lead to knee problems (after many years though). The most at risk
>group are females as our bone structure means that we usually step with our
>knees turned inwards - it's his motion which can lead to problems.
> 
>Provided you concentrate on turning your knees outwards - particularly when
>doing v-steps you should have no problems - but check with your gym on their
>recommended limits for step anyway.
> 
>BTW - I've been stepping for the past year at high levels, with
>propulsions/weights and have experienced no problems.
> 
>Hope this helps,
>Loretta...

I also heard one instructor say to never fully straighten your knee at the
top of the step.  Seems to work for me... I seem to work my thighs and butt 
a bit more...

Maureen
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: barry@arnold.math.ucla.edu (Barry Merriman)
Subject: Re: Computerized Bodybuilding
Organization: UCLA, Mathematics Department
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 03:36:19 GMT

> clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
> 
> >I've been kicking this idea around for some time.  Basically, I'm
> >thinking about writing a program which, given the exercises you
> >are willing to do and poundages you can handle for them, would
> >prepare weekly workouts for you to do. [details deleted...]
> 
> >Any suggestions or comments?

Get the book "Weight Training: A Scientific Appoach" by 
Stone & Obryant and computerize their periodization schemes and
intensity tables as the basis for the workout. That would probably
be better than your own ideas (and the Ironman System, for that matter).

In fact, in the back of their book they have computer codes for several 
things---I don't know what, as I didn't need them.
--
Barry Merriman
UCLA Dept. of Math
UCLA Inst. for Fusion and Plasma Research
barry@math.ucla.edu (Internet; NeXTMail is welcome)


Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: nancyl@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Nancy Lellenberg Bentrup)
Subject: step Reebok
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:18:03 GMT

Our university is offering a class called "Step Reebok" which includes
20 minutes of "stepping" and 15 minutes of other exercise.  Does anyone
know anything about this type of class/ form of exercise?  

We are concerned that this form of exercise would be stressful on our
knees.  Can anyone confirm or deny that it is stressful to knees or other
body parts?

thanks.

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: alter@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (E. Alter)
Subject: Competative powerlifting for women
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:12:44 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

I have a friend who is interested in getting into competative powerlifting.
Without any serious weight training, she's quite strong (she was in shot-put in
high-school track).  Can anyone point me to
sources for training ideas, rules, techniques, competitions (in Minnesota), so I
can get her going on the right track?


Thanks,
-- 

Eric Alter		alter@rchland.vnet.ibm.com
IBM Corporation		Rochester, Mn
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mwnorman@bcarh929bnr.ca (Michael Norman)
Subject: Re: Jaws wired shut...
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:30:52 GMT

In article <l9l68sINNf24@west.west.sun.com>, kennyl@Sun.COM (Kenny Lopez - Silicon Valley EDA District Sales Rep) writes:
>A of mine will have TMJ surgery and will have her
>jaw wired shut for eight weeks. I am hoping to
>gather opinions/recommendations on health/protein
>type drinks for her to drink during this period.
>

My sister had this procedure in January of this year.  
A few points to note.  Currently, they don't actually 'wire' the 
jaw shut; it is done with a multitude of elastic and plastic 
bands.  However they don't leave room for a real opening - it is 
not as if you could drink small sips from a glass.  My sister 
had to use a syringe with a curved and extended tip to get the 
liquid past the elastics.

The first few days are very difficult - the pain is pretty
bad (she was on liquid codeine which has its own problems,
constipation).  You don't have much of an appetite
and trying to get a decent meal in you will take more than
an hour (what do you expect when you can only syringe 0.5
ounces at a time down your throat!).

The meal-replacements on the market she tried are: Boost,
Enercal, and Slim-Vim.  Basically, they are all pretty
awful - very chauky.  None of them are very low in fat.
You've got to remember - the body will desperately need calories
to heal the jaw.  Fat has 9 calories per gram so it is very
nutritionally dense.  After a day or two of this,
my sister had had enough.  We spoke with a doctor friend and
looked at the contents of these meal replacements.  You can
pretty much survive on Carnation Instant Breakfast (made with
WHOLE milk - you need the fat and the protein) - it seems to
have the same basic structure as Boost or Enercal, is cheaper
and tastes alot better.

In the first week, Joanne lost 12 pounds.  After another week, 
she was down 16 and the doctors were worried.  However, by this 
time, she could actually drink from a glass and get blended bananas
and apple sauce down (and Gerber baby food!!).  Her weight 
stablilized over the next three weeks (down a total of 18 pounds).

I wish your friend well and am personally glad that MY jaw is fine!
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"Hasta la vista, Baby!" A. Schwarzenegger
From: roberts@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov (Don Roberts)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Computerized Bodybuilding
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:07:49 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:

>I've been kicking this idea around for some time.  Basically, I'm
>thinking about writing a program which, given the exercises you
>are willing to do and poundages you can handle for them, would
>prepare weekly workouts for you to do. [details deleted...]

>Any suggestions or comments?
>-- 
>Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618

Chris,

Are you familiar with the Ironman Training System developed by Fred Koch
et al. and advertised in IRONMAN magazine? According to the articles in
the magazine, they've done pretty much exactly what you describe already.
In fact, based on your one-rep maxes on selected exercises, their program
actually recommends sets, reps, and poundages for every workout over the
specified period (specified by how much you pay them).  So, if you're
interested in developing such a system because you want to use it for your
training, it's just a matter of calling the toll-free number listed in the
magazine ads and forking over the necessary bucks. The program runs
between $250 and $400 a year, depending upon the type of workout they
design for you: three day a week total body, two day split, three day
split, or totally customized. They also have prices for a 3 month program.

Here's the hitch: they've got the system all set up to run on a Mac (or at
least there are lots of Mac's in the background in all the ads), but I
don't think they actually fork over the software, just a printout of the
resulting training log. If you *were* to develop a similar system and
actually market the software, you'd probably be able to make some bucks
off it (at least from us do-it-yourself bodybuilding computer geeks).

	-- Don
--
 Dr. Donald W. Roberts
   University of California                                      Physicist
   Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory         Recreational Bodybuilder
   dwr@llnl.gov                                           Renaissance Dude
From: aw@sei.cmu.edu (Anne Wulffraat)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Exercise Bulimics
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:03:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: sei.1992Sep3.170302.16305
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

Man oh man oh manomanoman!
I'm treading on toes here and I had no intention of doing so. FORGIVE ME!!!

There is nothing wrong with working out.
There is nothing wrong with eating.
There is nothing wrong with balancing the two.
There isn't even anything wrong with working out to improve your self image - 
 that's a great motivator. Who doesn't like to see the changes in his/her
 body?

What isn't good is weighing yourself 10 times a day, or measuring your body
fat every day, or beating yourself up inside when you only did 6 reps and
you've done 7 before, or saying you're going to run 3 extra miles because of
that yummy dessert - and having to run it or you'll hate yourself, or feeling
like you can't accomplish anything because you didn't work out hard enough,
or missing meetings or blowing off your significant other because you HAVE
to do another set or run another mile.

Come on, people, you know when you feel good about yourself and when you
don't. I understand that those who enter competitions must be harder on 
themselves. But when your exercise becomes an obsession and the tiniest
deviation can ruin your day, there's a problem.

Do you guys understand?

-Anne
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: control3@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Mark Readman)
Subject: Re: step Reebok
Originator: control3@haley.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 01:45:23 GMT


At the step class that I go to the instructors have
some great step moves but I wouldnt know how to 
explain them in a compact way.

Is there a standard way to record moves used in 
aerobics or step classes ?

Mark.

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