HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bucknerb@bnr.ca (Brent Buckner)
Subject: Re: Rock and U2
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ontario, Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:15:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.035642.27700@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> aaron@space.ualberta.ca writes:
>Brent Buckner (bucknerb@bnr.ca) wrote:
>: Alfvaen(aaron@space.ualberta.ca) writes:
>: >Brent Buckner (bucknerb@bnr.ca) wrote:
>: >: In the early days of the band, U2 members complained about
>: >: other bands being too concerned with politics in their
>: >: songwriting.
>: >: 
>: >: They wanted to make music, not Statements.
>: >: "The music's our message".
>: >: 
>: >: Sure, they sold themselves out on the way, but from the tone
>: >: of your post it sounds as though they're back.
>: > 
>: >Alfvaen clears his throat.  "Excuse me?  I don't remember U2 selling out
>: >anywhere in there.
>:
>: When they used their concert settings as platforms for political
>: expression they went against their early ideal of their music
>: being their message.  Also, their songs became more strongly
>: influenced by their politics.
>
>"Oh, sure, they went against their >early< ideal.  So?  People change.  I think
>that using the phrase 'sold out' to refer to a decision to speak out with your
>politics after saying you weren't going to is quite funny.  

I appreciate the irony.  That was one of the things that prompted me
to reply to the original poster, who viewed "going commercial" as
the sell-out.  

>I mean, normally I
>think of it as more the other way--when somebody who was quite political starts
>trying to make money with their music.  'Going political' is more accurate.

It would be more accurate if it weren't going against an earlier ideal.
People will refer to an artist selling his or her birthright (talent)
for a "pot of message".

>And I still don't see why they don't have the option of changing their minds,
>maybe more than once, despite the fact that they're changing a >stated< opinion
>which was no doubt printed up in the press."
>

They certainly do have the option.  My first response was to a post 
complaining about the latest change; I didn't complain about
the first change (although I am aware that references to 
selling out have negative connotations).

-- 
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voice:        (613) 765-2739
Canada Post:  P.O. Box 3511, Station C, Ottawa, Canada, K1Y 4H7
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Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: mar@physics.su.OZ.AU (David Mar)
Subject: Re: Gasoline Taxes - What they are in Aus!
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:11:49 GMT

Danger Mouse wanders into the Place (no, of course you never saw him
leave). He waves a piece of paper.

"I have done the research and come up with the breakdown of where our
petrol money goes in Australia. These figures are for the Sydney
metropolitan region on the 1st of October, 1992, and are supplied by the
NRMA (National Roads and Motorists Association).

"Petrol costs in Australia consist of:

Government Revenue
    State Franchise Fee       9.4%
    Product Excise           36.4%
    Royalties                 0.3%
    Resource Rent Tax         8.2%

    Total Government Revenue 54.3%

Non-Government Revenue
    Oil Producer             19.0%
    Oil Refiner               9.5%
    Oil Marketer             10.3%
    Dealer Margin             6.9%

    Total Non-Government     45.7%

"So there you go. Over half of what we pay for petrol is tax. Now, does
anyone have similar figures for other countries?"

- Danger Mouse.
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From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: More elections, a victory...
Keywords: discrimination, hatred, intolerance
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 00:25:47 GMT

turner@reed.edu (ghost of the man in the moon) writes:
>"To voting down discrimination, hatred and intolerance."
>And the glass is hurled into the fireplace with a mighty crash!
>"As I said, to voting down hatred!"
>	*Crash!*

   "Agreed !" Jim who is actualy just stepping into an Inn.

>And this time the fireplace is filled with glass.
>	Love and hugs,
>	Caithelin

      <crash!>

-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM - Gulf Park Campus 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
                     "Kill the Wabbit ! " Elmer Fudd.
From: li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus)
Subject: Re: RAPTURE
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:45:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.151742@twinpeaks.gsfc.nasa.gov> xrjdm@calvin.gsfc.nasa.gov  writes:
>"Thanks, Sab. I needed that," he says, wiping his face on his sleeve. 
>Another pup sniffs his glass. "It's a Coke, Booka. You only like lemonade."
>The dogs pile up in various places around him, lie down, stick out a back
>leg each, and go to sleep.

Fezzik is delighted at all the other dogs that come into the Place, and the
big Newfoundland starts friendship overtures, his big, plummed tail up and
gently waving as he leads with his big, black, highspeed sniffing nose...

---
Phyllis L. Rostykus
li@Data-IO.com
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen)
Subject: Re: RAPTURE
Organization: Murdoch University
Date:  6 Nov 92 02:17:05 GMT

hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:

>In article <1992Oct30.234817.13887@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lsaiki@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me again!) writes:

>}"Yow!!  Did you see what happened in Korea?!  There were people who
>}sold almost all of their possessions to the church?!! ..Because the
>}coming of christ [or something like that] was supposed to happen
>}there..."

>They _sold_ their possessions to the church?  What did they expect to do
>with the money?

Well, not actually sold  :-)  They gave their possesions to the church,
since the church would need the capital to carry on their work after they
had been assumed (? - as in to heaven).  The church had some sort of
excuse for it.  Apparently the excuse didn't wash with the authorities,
'cos the sect leader wound up in jail.  The Oz branch came up with the
comment (the following day) that Jesus had been held up by the Devil. 
'Nuff said  :-)

Splash!
--
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Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Aaron Humphrey)
Subject: Four Word Stories
Reply-To: aaron@space.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:09:31 GMT

Alfvaen says, "Alright, some of you have heard me claim that I'm a writer.
Some of you have not, so for your benefit I'll claim it again here--I'm a
writer.  Some of you have been here long enough to remember the first two
parts of Delta City that I posted here months and months ago.  (No, I still
haven't finished it.)

"What I've been writing for the past several months have, by and large, been
four word stories.  Basically, I get four words, either selected at random from
a list of words, or assigned by some outside source, and then write a story
that incorporates those four words, either directly or thematically.  It's been
a great exercise for me, and I've gotten some great ideas that way.

"For the past few months, I've been working on 'assignments' that I got from
the denizens of talk.bizarre.  Now I'm offering all of you the same chance to
give me four words, with an optional additional specifier(e.g. no SF, the story
must be 100 words long, must be in alphabetical order, etc.).  And I will
eventually get around to writing a story based on that specification.  As an
example I shall shortly post a story that Abner Mintz requested from talk.
bizarre.

"Warning: you may not be completely satisfied with the story, since it will go
wherever my demented little imagination takes me, which may be on the far side
of good taste, or nowhere at all.  And if I end up getting a large number of
requests all at once, then it'll probably take me months to catch up, so don't
worry if it disappears and you don't see it right away.  If you don't think
that you'll be reading the group when it comes out, then tell me and I'll make
a note to send it to you in email.  Oh, and don't be too nasty, okay?  I've
already had assignments with such exciting words as 'ukase' and 'Grillparzer',
so don't feel that you need to make me run to the dictionary for every word...
not that I mind expanding my vocabulary, of course.

"I've said enough.  Go to it!"

--
---Alfvaen(Canadian SF Quasi-Activist)
"It's not my fault.  The orchestra has disappeared."
   ---Hector Berlioz
Current Album--Kate Bush:The Dreaming
Current Read--Jack McDevitt:The Hercules Text
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: rich@theophilus.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Krum)
Subject: Re: SJ&TCS
Reply-To: rich@theophilus.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Boeing Computer Support Services
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:24:24 GMT

How sad that one of the greatest groups will be hardly noticed in passing--
all we have left now is Peter Schickle (sic) and B.D.Q. Bach--

Now I have to really look for some Spike Jones so my children will have
some cultural knowledge of his work.  They've seen all the Ernie Kovacks
stuff I can find, as well as the Three Stooges--

No, I'm NOT being cynical on this one--this was stuff from a much more innocent 
time--ghod knows there's little enough innocence in the world now--

<CRASH>

--troll
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From: aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine)
Subject: Re: I made it!
Keywords: Heather Pierce
Organization: Don't blame me, I voted for Bill 'n' Opus
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:24:43 GMT

In article <4224@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> pierceha@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Heather Pierce) writes:
>
> I finally found Callahans!  It feels wonderful to be here.  I some incredible
> hunk rubbing my back <how like Callahans, eh?

Heh.  I can give you a virtual backrub now (is a Pervect enough of a
hunk for you?), and a real one at Westercon next year.
-- 
                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
                             @netcom.com 

Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

Trying to be happy is like trying to build a machine for which the only
specification is that it should run noiselessly.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: zlraa@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Nicarra)
Subject: Re: illuminati
Reply-To: lalford@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:53:30 GMT

In <1992Nov9.175203.4433@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wyang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William D Yang) writes:

>Kitten writes:

>> "did you all realize our new president, a rhodes scholar and former
>> student of (the name escapes me but he was a georgetown u. prof and
>> accused illuminati) is one of "them"....of course we are not cleared
>> for that information }:)."

>I really wish someone would come up with some significant proof of
>this.  I've heard, time and time again, that the Bavarian Illuminati
>are ruling the United States between the Masons and a bunch of college
>secret societies.  Thing is, I just don't see any reason to believe
>this.  Why does everyone want to believe there's a conspiracy?  What's
>with this... this... this... paranoia?

Nicarra grins.  "This reminds me that we finally have the Illuminatus
trilogy.  One volume contains The Eye in the Pyramid, The Golden Apple
and Leviathan by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson.  Ross is currently
reading this, but soon I will be able to read it and find out about
them.  If I'm not mistaken, this is one of the original sources for the
conspiracy."

Nicarra
-- 
Ross A. Alford
Department of Zoology                      Internet: zlraa@marlin.jcu.edu.au
James Cook University                      Phone:    +61 77 81 4732
Townsville, Qld 4811 Australia
From: ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Democracy
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:36:40 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: seurat.wag.caltech.edu

Beth is talking about democracy:
>Her mouth quirks in something midway between a grin and a grimace.
>"Personally, I agree with Winston Churchhill on the subject:
>'Democracy is the worst system of government, except for all the
>others.'"

Abner perks up, looking around from the table where he is doing midterms.
"Ah, so that's where that quote's from!  Thanks, it's always been one of
my favorites, and now I can attribute it properly!"

"Oh, and by the way - welcome to the place!"
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (The Nightstalker)
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:41:33 GMT

In article <OLSON.92Nov10235519@husc8.harvard.edu> olson@husc8.harvard.edu (Chip Olson@somewhere.out.there) writes:
>In article <1doomlINNrel@gap.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals) writes:
>
>Christian religion, to be certain, but that's because it's *about* Western
>science vis-a-vis Judeo-Christianity.  The fact that it does not address,
>for the most part, other religions and scientific traditions does *not*
>imply bigotry on the part of the author.  
>--
The Nightstalker pokes his head from round a VR corner.  
"I was actually think of retitling it Christianity and science.  Perhaps
I should have.  My problem with eastern systems is that I see them more
as ideologies (and I think that is probably fair for most of them?  asking
here for correction).  I was pushing a point of course, and I did think it
was a fair article and was looking for comments from my VR "friends", a term
I don't know how far to stretch."

The Nightstalker wears a puzzled look.

"Did I offend Stm yet again?  Pardon me for simply exercising freedom of
speech.  As it is, I didn't know because since my last flaming at his hands,
I simply do not read his posts."

The Nightstalker disappears into the bathroom (toilet really, but most of
you *are* Americans), and reappears in another on of his flame-proof suits
and a stupid grin (DM and Shonias know what it looks like in RL, just use
your imagination).

"I have had constructive comments from some, complements from others.  As
for flames (accent on) Go Ahead Make My Day (accent off).  To freedom of
speech."

<crash> 
--

Mick Pope,                                          I      "On Christ the
Sir Frank Packer Dept of Theoretical Physics,   ----+----   solid rock I
School of Physics, University of Sydney,            I       stand, all other
Sydney, Australia, 2006.  (02) 692 3241             I       ground is sinking
                                                    I       sand." - C. Wesley
                                                    I 

And the comment for today is:  

          
"I'm going to sleep.  Wake me if if there is anything else we can
             screw up tonight" -James T. Kirk, Star Trek VI
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith)
Subject: Re: More elections, a victory...
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 05:53:36 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523
Keywords: discrimination, hatred, intolerance

In article <1992Nov4.175914.25914@reed.edu> turner@reed.edu (ghost of the man in the moon) writes:
>Caithelin comes in grinning.  She lays a pile of singles on the bar.
>"Champagne, Mike.  A round for everyone.  We have a very important toast to
>drink." 

[Mike deleted. (Ha! got him!)]
>
>"To voting down discrimination, hatred and intolerance."
>And the glass is hurled into the fireplace with a mighty crash!
>
>Some patrons look at her curiously while others immediately smile.  "Most
>people in the US have probably heard something about Oregon's measure 9.  It
>was sponsored by a very conservative organization.  It basically said the
>government could not support or encourage homosexuality, pedophilia, sadism
>or masochism (yes, they were grouped like that).  Nor recognize it by giving
>it minority status or affirmative action.  Schools were to teach that it was
>abnormal and perverse.  The government could not support it in any way,
>groups that taught tolerance or anything on it would not be allowed to use
>public buildings...etc."
>
>"Yesterday however, it was voted down.  Not by as high of a margin as we
>would perhaps like, but by enough.  Thank God!!!! (Or your deity of
>choice.)"  She refills her glass again.
>
>"As I said, to voting down hatred!"
>	*Crash!*
>
>And this time the fireplace is filled with glass.
>
Big Al puts down his glass, undrunk.

The victory was NOT complete.

Big Al.  Ft. Collins, CO.
From: pechever@phakt.usc.edu (Paul Echeverri)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: I'm Published!!!
Date: 12 Nov 1992 23:43:08 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

gryphon@openage.openage.com (The Golden Gryphon) wrote:
]   The Golden
] Gryphon heads over to the bulletin board, and pins up several copies of a
] magazine, and then heads for the bar.
] 
] "Mike,  I would like a Long Island Iced Tea for me, and a round for the house."
] TGG plunks down several bills on the bar, and heads to the chalk line.
] 
] "My friends.  A lifelong dream of mine has just come true.  Through luck and
] lots of hard work I have finally gotten published!!  The first copies of my
] work have already been shipped, and the reviews look good.  Don't look in your
] local book store for this magazine, you won't find it.  SCO Magazine is a
] computer industry publication from CMP Publications in NY.  They focus on a PC
] UNIX operating system from a company called SCO (The Santa Cruz Operations).
] Many of you may not know that I am a UNIX consultant specializing in the SCO
] operating systems."
] 
] "Well, now you do.  My first article, 'Cutting Through The Jargon', appears on
] page 53 of the November issue.  I have just submitted another feature article,
] and some fun stuff for December.  In Janurary I will be taking over a monthly
] column, as well as continuing to write feature articles."
] 
] "I hope to hone my writing skills, until I can write that great american
] science fiction novel.  That's all in the future.  Today I am just happy to be
] published and paid for my labors.  Please join me in a toast."
] 
] "To hard work.  It seems to be the only way to follow your dreams!"
] 
] <<<CRASH]>
] 
] The sound of breaking glass echos in the fireplace.

While waiting for his Vesper, Impu-Sebek sips at the hot cocoa Mike has been
so kind to provide.
"Many grats from here, Gryph.  You give me hope for my own dreams of authoring.
But then, I'm just a sophomore English major.  I have a ways to go...strength
and blessings to you!"
"To hard work!"
A large ceramic mug joins the perfect fusillade of <CRASH!>es in the fireplace.
-- 
"They robbed from the rich...and gave to the CRIMINALLY INSANE!!" -Ren & Stimpy
"Necro-Bestial Anal Buttsex!?" -GWAR  /   Two suns in the sunset... -Pink Floyd
"She was SO sensitive...so I squicked her."                    DikuMUDs forever
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Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Aaron Humphrey)
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Reply-To: aaron@space.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:16:00 GMT

"Don't I recall seeing somewhere that the Church has decided to officially
change its view of science, by reversing its much earlier decision about
Galileo, and admit it was wrong to make him recant?  Better late than never;
of course, Galileo doesn't benefit by it, unless his shade somewhere(Heaven,
perhaps?)smiles and says, 'They've finally come to their senses.'  But it's a
step in the right direction.  It shows that Science and the Catholic Church
aren't officially at odds with each other anymore.  Or, at least, they are
much less so..."

--
---Alfvaen(Canadian SF Quasi-Activist)
"It's not my fault.  The orchestra has disappeared."
   ---Hector Berlioz
Current Album--The Waterboys:This Is The Sea
Current Read--John Irving:The World According To Garp
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: illuminati
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:05:09 GMT

kitten pops into callahans on her way to someplace else, after coming
home from windycon...

"did you all realize our new president, a rhodes scholar and former
student of (the name escapes me but he was a georgetown u. prof and
accused illuminati) is one of "them"....of course we are not cleared
for that information }:)."

--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"love is the wild card of existance"
                          rita mae brown

Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: brumby@nella7.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen McNamara)
Subject: Re: It's too serious in here . . .
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:25:45 GMT

   When will the brumby learn to leave well enough alone?

lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals) writes:

>In article <brumby.720889112@nella9.cc.monash.edu.au>, brumby@nella9.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen McNamara) writes:
>=>> StM becomes intrigued enough to execute the command "DIR/GROUPS/ALL a*.s*.b*"
>=>> from within his newreader program, and gets the following result:
>=>> 
>=>> alt.sex.bondage
>=>> alt.sport.bowling
>=>> alt.sport.bungee
>=>> alt.support.big-folks

>Well, connecting to a different news server I find that there are also groups
>called alt.sex.bestiality and alt.sex.boredom.

   "I also managed to find alt.slack.BoB and
alt.sex.bestiality.hamster.duct-tape (sic) (yes, very sick)."

>But I DON'T know.  I'm just speculating.  Now I could, of course, try
>subscribing to these groups and looking for Big Al's return address in there.

   "Awww, that would be cheating. Don't you want a little mystery?"

-- 
     The Silver Brumby of          brumby@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
      the Silicon Plains

      The grass is always greener on the other side of the network.
From: brumby@nella3.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen McNamara)
Subject: Re: RAPTURE
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:25:45 GMT

   Sometimes the brumby can't help himself.

hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
> lsaiki@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me again!) writes:
>}"Yow!!  Did you see what happened in Korea?!  There were people who
>}sold almost all of their possessions to the church?!! ..Because the
>}coming of christ [or something like that] was supposed to happen
>}there..."
>They _sold_ their possessions to the church?  What did they expect to do
>with the money?

   "Ummm, turn it into travellers cheques and take it with them?"

-- 
     The Silver Brumby of          brumby@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
      the Silicon Plains

      The grass is always greener on the other side of the network.