HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: where are all the coo
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:16:00 EST
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

>I was referring to the title of the episode.  There has never been an
>episode called "The Imposter".  Perhaps you meant "Allegience"?

Yes, you're right!  I wasn't lying, but I made a mistake.  I have NO
idea why I said "The Impostor" but now that I think back at it, I never
would have remembered "Allegience".  Well, so, do you agree?  Are the
aliens in "Allegience" cool or not?  ;-)


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: Timescales : TOS & TNG ??
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:24:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.195140.19830@news.unomaha.edu> tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:
>ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk  writes:
>> 
>>   This is almost certainly a FAQ, but how many years after TOS (or
>> the movies) is TNG set?.  It's got to be well over 22 years, as the 
>> Enterprise C featured in Yesterday's Enterprise, and there is
>> still the Galaxy Class Enterprise B to take into consideration.
>	The Enterprise B was an Excelsior Class Starship. =+)
>>   Either the 1701-B didn't last long, or it had to be a fair number
>> of years between the two series.
>> 
>	It's about 75 years from the time of Kirk to Picard.  I think
>I remember reading somewhere that it was about 75 from Star Trek IV, and
>that was back in 1986, so its up to about 80 years now.
>> 

The official Paramount numbers:

STII:TWoK   -- 2285
ST:TNG EaF  -- 2364

Therefore 79 years between the second film, and the first season of TNG.

<ESC>

-- 
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                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)

                                
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: noel@umbc1.umbc.edu
Subject: RE: STTNG Inaugural Edition Cards for SALE/TRADE and BUYING
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 05:55:48 GMT

	I have Holograms 01H and 04H and would be willing to trade either for a 
02H, or maybe two complete sets of foreign language cards.
	Next weekend I will go home and put up my duplicates list.  Sometime 
this week I will also post my expereinced in collecing cards

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: jeffery@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (JEFFERY ERIC ROBERT)
Subject: NASA Ftp Site 
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:41:43 GMT

I have tried to get onto the infamous NASA FTP site (vab02.larc.nasa.gov) for
the past 4 days and can't get through.  I asks for a password, even when I 
type Anonymous as the user login name.  Any ideas or has anyone else run
into this?


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From: 890232a@dragon.acadiau.ca (Steve Astels)
Subject: Re: Holodeck sex (was Re: DEEP SPACE 9!! UGH!!!)
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:03:29 GMT

jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley) writes:


>I think it's quite valid to suppose that Starfleet prohibits
>simulations of a sexual nature to be run on its holodecks.  This may
>seem prudish or extreme, but it simply makes good sense.  SOMEone
>SOMEwhere is likely to oppose the idea that his tax money is being
>used to support what may be in his opinion an exploitative and immoral
>activity.  And so Starfleet plays it safe by walking the conservative
>side of the fence.  If you want to program HoloSex, buy your own
>holodeck.


How about the episode (The Perfect Mate) where the woman was _really_ coming
on to Riker, who, with obvious frustration / reluctance left her quarters.
In the corridor he contacted the bridge (?) and said "If anyone needs me
I'll be in Holodeck 2" ... I suppose u could say he was just going for a
workout to relieve the tension, but I prefer to think it was to run his
favorite holosex program.  Remember his reaction to Picards "When she
kissed me it felt so real" statement in that first season episode
_The Big Goodbye_ (suddenly he sat up in his chair with a very interested
look on his face)

-- Steve

-- 

       Stephen Astels               "I am the lizard king,
                                     I can do anything..."
   steve.astels@acadiau.ca                         - Jim Morrison
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From: adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Excelsior model
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:24:35 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Aug14.123249.4954@gw.wmich.edu> 751kaiser@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>hello,
>
>i was watching ST:VI the Undiscovered Country and i was wondering
>
>is there an Excelsior model out there?

In the absence of a (readily available and affordable) plastic model, you
could get the FASA lead model.  It's small but reasonably well detailed,
although I found the stand supplied with it to be useless - the stand is
the standard type intended for use on small ships like the Enterprise.
If you want the name and number on the ship, you have to be good at
painting!

-- 
 "Keyboard?  How quaint!" - M. Scott

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: Rannou@info.polymtl.ca (Patrick Rannou)
Subject: Re: TOS past fiction becomes Science future?
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, Canada
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 18:35:11 GMT

In article <rccarm00.714356651@mik.uky.edu> rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman) writes:



      In this month's issue of BYTE, the state of the art section is
   about Photonics (optical memories and optical processing, etc).
      Any way, to get to the point: does anyone remmeber the data
   solids/memory cubes from TOS?  Several companies and universities
   R&D sections are working on ways to store information optically
   in transparent cubes of polymer.
      Peter Rentzepis, a professor at the University of California-Irvine,
   anticipates the possibility of "a plastic block, the size of a sugar
   cube, packed solidly with terabit information" and "a crystal containing
   in its lattice the holographic image of a whole library".
      Some of the technologies spoken of in the articles are here today;
   others are 3 to 10 years off.  Amazing how science fiction becomes
   science fact. :-)

AS they write on the publicity for the new ecosystem in the olympic stadium
in Montreal: "La re'alite' de'passe la fiction!"

"Reality goes farther than fiction!"

And that's a fact, too. Just give it enough time...


Pat.
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From: runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan)
Subject: Re: Worf's moral dilemma
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:40:03 GMT
Organization: HP, Cupertino, CA, USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

m1kew02@fed.frb.gov (Kirstin E. Wells) writes:
>I saw a rerun the other night of an episode when Worf is asked to donate
>blood to an enemy Romulan who is on board.  He refuses, and the captain
>declines to order him to do it.  The enemy thus dies.  I thought this
>whole thing very contrary to the E's usual way of doing things, even for
>Worf.  Any thoughts on this...?

I'm not sure why you see this as contrary to the way Worf thinks.  He is
often written as driven by the concept of honor.  Honor may seem difficult
at times to comprehend.  Worf refused to directly save an enemy and
the captain recognized that Worf had every right to determine what to do
with his body.  If "blood" has an important meaning to Worf (and it may
considering the Klingon feelings regarding families), then his refusal
to give it to an enemy that he has a deep hatred for makes sense.

Mark Runyan  {r.a.s. random rationalizer}
Xref: sparky rec.arts.startrek.misc:8440 rec.arts.startrek.fandom:1300
From: bobster@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (Bobby Thomale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.fandom
Subject: Re: *** Help me think up a good Star Trek license plate!
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:24:58 GMT
Organization: The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK

> Try this one:
> 
> NR GII
Ah ... a ha ha ha ha ... very clever, I get it ...

How about ... darn, can't think of any... creativity requires sleep, I 
guess...
s

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: Multiple Alexander actors
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:12:00 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

efisch@cs.utexas.edu (Eric A. Fisch) writes:
>I have been silently foloowing along and am well aware of the
>hatred towards Worf's son, Alexander. Recently looking through the
>Programming guide I noticed that the first appearance of the character
>was not played by Brian Bonsall. I am now interested in wether peoples
>animosity towards Alexander is directed at Brian Bonsall's acting
>ability, how the writers use him or both.

Both.

A common problem for screenwriters is writing juvenile characters.
They are either stereotyped as whiny, annoying parasites (perhaps how
the writer perceives children), or as extremely short adults.  Child
characters are also sometimes written as precocious brats (e.g. Wesley
Crusher, Will Robinson), and as such are almost guaranteed to be
unlikable.  Wil Wheaton eventually got very tired of the way Wesley
was being written and that was probably why he left the show.

A few screenplays have treated children well.  _Stand By Me_ (Steven
King) and _E.T._ (Steven Spielberg) come to mind.  Alexander is simply
not written as a fleshed-out, believable character.  He was created to
be a thorn in Worf's side, and is rarely more than that.  His recent
episode with Lwuxana Troi is the first attempt to employ Alexander as
a character in his own right, and not merely an appendage to Worf.

Then we must consider the actor.  There is some strange compulsion
among viewers to expect an adult performance from an eight or nine
year old child.  Children are natural actors (do adults routinely play
"let's pretend?"), but only on THEIR terms.  Commercial acting is very
different from play acting and requires a certain maturity and
experience.  The ability to play a scene as written and directed, take
after take, is not something we should expect children to do without
difficulty.

Granted we've seen some marvelous performances elsewhere from very
young performers but these are the exception, not the rule.  In short,
let's cut Mr. Bonsall some slack.

>I do not remeber if the
>first Alexander, Jon Steuer, was any better than Bonsall or not. Does
>anyone remember and care to comment??

I certainly remember, and I even care.  I think Brian Bonsall does a
much better job.  This may be tainted by the fact that Bonsall's
Alexander is a meatier part than Steuer's, but the first Alexander
seemed like nothing more than a stuffed costume.  But Bonsall has more
experience and seems to be more comfortable in the part.
--------------------------------+---------------------------------------
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Department of Computer Science  +---------------------------------------
Univ. of Utah, Salt Lake City   | "Okay, NOW I'm worried."  -- Batman
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 9!! UGH!!!
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:18:40 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

[grumblings about DS9 potential deleted]

Why does anyone wait until the show comes out before groaning about it?
Before TNG came out I expected it to be terrible.  I was happily proven
incorrect.
-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
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From: deboer@neptune.mcs.anl.gov (Ms. Jennifer L. DeBoer)
Subject: Re: Is La Forge Black? (was Startrek as American Imperialist)
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Chicago, Illinois
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:38:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug7.195755.15548@stsci.edu> you write:
>
>True.  If La Forge (why is he generally referred to by his first name
>in the show, while all others who have two names are generally referred
>to by their family name?) was as obviously proud about his heritage

I'm not sure I understand what you mean.  I haven't heard "Geordi" any
more than I've heard "Will" or "Deanna" on the show;  most of the time,
he answers his communicator "La Forge here", just as Will would answer
"Riker".
From: Sem_Hoelscher@hb.maus.de (Sem Hoelscher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: NAME THAT EPISODE....
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 21:23:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

Shacha Lynn!

Wow, that was very funny! >8-(

[lw]        Thanks for jogging my memory!!!!

Give those a chance, whose net gets these mails with some delay ... Ok, I
knew it anyway (one of my favorites), but ...

Oyori - Sem [in Northern Germany a bit far away]
From: wang!ailanth!tallman@ulowell.ulowell.edu (temporary)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: ST:TNG INAUGURAL CARDS FOR SALE/TRADE
Date: 23 Aug 92 06:30:27 GMT
Organization: Ailanthus Project

This is a repost of a message I posted a couple of days ago. Anyone who 
responded probably had their message bounced back to them because of my 
e-mail address. You see, I'm lucky enough to get my newsfeed from the 
recently bankrupt Wang Laboratories(!). I've been told that e-mail has 
been routed through another site, so I'll give this a try again.

I have the following ST:TNG Inaugural Edition cards for sale/trade:
1, 3, 5(3), 7, 9(2), 14(2), 16, 18(2), 22(2), 23(2), 25, 27(2), 37(3), 
39, 40, 41, 45, 47, 48, 49, 51(2), 53, 56, 60(2), 61(2), 64(2), 65, 66, 
68(3), 74(2), 77, 79, 83, 87(2), 88, 91, 93(3), 95(2), 97(2), 103(2), 
104(2), 105, 110, 112, 113, 115(3), 116, 120
 
I am looking to buy/trade the following cards:
21, 1A, 1C, 1E
HOLOGRAMS: 1H, 2H, 3H, 4H, mail order only hologram  

..........
Robert Oliver, wang!ailanth!tallman@ulowell.ulowell.edu
via Ailanthus Project +1 207-989-6562 - Brewer, Maine.
..........
From: keith@netcom.com (Keith Mason)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Summaries of episodes anywhere?
Keywords: summary, episodes, TOS, STTNG
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:44:22 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug21.123906.11175@walter.cray.com> btd@uk.cray.com (Bryan T Dongray) writes:
>Does anyone know where I can get (via ftp preferably) a short
>summary of all episodes (TOS and STTNG, maybe movies too)?
>
>Someone tells me there is a PostScript document of such a thing
>out there somewhere, he said it also included descriptions of
>the credits and the cast, but does anyone know where?

The one in PostScript is for TNG only, but can be found at  ftp.cs.montana.edu

  Keith
From: gooseman@news.uwyo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Tasha Yar, Timelines, etc.
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:44:22 MST
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Wyoming - Laramie, WY

Hi,

     OKay! I saw this one post that had a whole bunch of graphs and charts
depicting real timelines, and alternate tiemlines, and cross-alternate
timelines, etc.....OK....from the horse's mouth......(any and all TNG televised
episodes that deal with this)....HERE IS WHAT HAPPENED TO TASHA YAR.

1. Tasha Yar boarded the USS Enterprise (Encounter at Farpoint) and served
approximately 1/2 year as chief security officer before she was killed by
Armas (Skin of Evil)

2. Due to a high intensity energy burst caused by multiple torpedo explosions
at the Battle of Norendra III, the Enterprise C is sent forward 22 years,
changing the timeline as it does, thanks to the fact (at that time) that the
Enterprise cut and ran from a battle, leaving the Klingon outpost to be
destroyed. The Klingons take this to be an irreversable insult to their honor
and attack. 
     Tasha Yar was never killed by Armas in this new timeline.
Source: Yesterday's Enterprise and a wee bit of extrapolation ob Klingon
psychology based on Klingon-based episodes.

3. Tasha Yar has herself transfered to the Enterprise C. NOTE: When Geordi
asked Picard about refitting the Enterprise with 24th century weapons, he said
no, because it might alter the course of history. Tasha's leaving with the 
Enterprise C did the same thing, only with a little less effect. The Enterprise
went back through the rift.....RESTORING the regular timeline with the
exception of Tasha Yar's participation in the Battle of Norendra III.

4. The Enterprise C is destroyed (assumed from Redemption II) and there are
survivors...Tasha is among them. Most of the survivors are executed> Tasha is
spared because she has caught the eye of a Romulan military officer who has her
spared so that he can keep her for himself.....Of course, she ends up bearing
his daughter, Sela.

5. Four years later, Tasha decides to make a break for the Federation and
decides to take Sela with her. Sela is quite frightened at the prospect of
leaving the only home she's ever known and so she screams bloody murder.
     Tasha is then caught and presumed executed. (Source: Redemption II)

     So, as you can see, there is not 2 or 3 or 4 timelines here....there is
one.....as Data said.... "if we are successful, we will not be aware that these
events transpired." We are dealing with one altered timeline
     I realize that for some people, alternate timelines are complex things,
but people who have been around roleplaying gamers or people who have watched
shows like Dr Who are a little more comfortable with the idea.....what you do
in a lot of cases, and Star Trek TNG is REAL good at this is, take a CLOSE look
at the details of the episode.....you sometimes pick up things that were missed
the first time you saw the show...... :)

						Until next time,
			
						John Brengman
						gooseman@corral.uwyo.edu


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From: mary@wam.umd.edu (Mary Louise Cassidy)
Subject: Re: Trek reference on Parker Lewis
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 04:07:00 GMT

Yeah that was funny...!  But the week before (I missed the show) a friend
said that he thought Michael Dorn had some kind of guest apperance???!?
WHat is this about?!?!
From: sll28@cc.usu.edu (LORNA_PAYNE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Guinan, Earth, and Garter Belts
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:44:13 MDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Aug17.132939.29090@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy) writes:
> In article <1992Aug15.224311.12157@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Sean C. Duncan, Idiot) writes:
>>Just a thought...
>>
>>We know that Guinan is on Earth in 1893 or whatever, but how long she....
> 
> 
> Something else struck me about Guinan when my local TV station
> re-broadcast BOBW I&II.  Guinan must know that the Big-E survives
> the encounter with the Borg.
> 
> She meets Jean-Luc after the encounter with the Borg.  Which brings
> up the question.  What is she doing on the Big-E?

But how does she know this?  Remember, this all is a long time before
Guinan's race encounters the Borg.  And there's no reason for Data, 
Picard, or any of the others to bring up the subject.

So when the 24th century rolls around, she'll wangle herself a job on
the Big E and proceed to mystify everyone by knowing more about the 
Captain than she should.

And as for her "pep talk with Riker", you can't "interfere" with the
future, only the past.  Remember the big debate in "A Matter of Time"?
-- 

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               Certified Math Geek and Grammarian
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Subject: Re: CAUSE AND EFFECT Mystery Woman? (*POSSIBLE SPOILER*)
From: scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Sean C. Duncan, Idiot)
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:51:41 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <1992Aug14.192152.17597@sei.cmu.edu>, ledgerj@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (Jim Ledger) writes:
> Now, I'm not necessarily implying anything here, but...
> 
> Did anyone else think that the woman standing behind and stage
> right of Cap'n Frasier ;-) on the Bozeman bore a resemblance to
> a young Rachel Garrett of the Enterprise-C?
> 
> Jim

Well, didn't look anything like her to me.

Plus, if it *was* her, she'd have to somehow get back in time in order to
become Captain of the -C.  Looks like an episode we'd never in a million
years see.  

Later,
-- 
Sean C. Duncan, scd@einstein.bgsu.edu :: scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
"The best thing to come out of Ohio is I-75." - Anonymous
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