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From: mvp@hsv3.uucp (Mike Van Pelt)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Word for Windows vs. Word for PM
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:34:04 GMT
Organization: Video 7 + G2 = Headland Technology

In article <1992Apr8.223638.3004@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>All my former applications seem to be working fine (save Microsoft
>Word for Presentation Manager; but I knew that; anyone have the
>replacement DLL for that?).

Which reminds me -- I'm currently running plain 'ol DOS Word 4.something,
and planned (back when I planned to get Windows) to get Word For Windows.
That will (I assume) run on OS/2 with no problems -- but should I get Word
for Presentation Manager instead?  Advantages/disadvantages?  (I suspect
Word for PM is an older product that Microsoft is unlikely to be too
motivated to keep up-to-date.  Plus, there probably isn't a $120 upgrade
offer from DOS Word.)
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From: Changhao_Boh@mindlink.bc.ca (Changhao Boh)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Paradise OS/2 2.0 Drivers
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:56:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: mindlink.11462
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

WS> A friend of mine is the chief VGA engineer for Western Digital in Moun
WS> View, CA.  According to him, IBM has sub-contracted a company in Texas
WS> the drivers for the Western Digital video chipset cards.  The ball is
WS> hands.  Given that, I doubt if they will ever make it. IBM still refus
WS> ship
WS> ANY OS/2 2.0 on 5.25" distribution. What a joke!  Not all DOS programs
WS> the DOS box.
WS>
WS> --
WS> Wally Schwarz                               Wally World BBS
WS> 2228 S El Camino Real #40                   415/349-6969/Free Line - 2
WS> San Mateo, CA 94403                         415/349-8408/Contributor L
WS>                                             V.32 and V.32bis available

I think you are providing very wrong information.  When I ordered my Windows
upgrade, I was specifically asked if I wanted OS2 2.0 on 5.25 or 3.5 inches
diskettes.

I think you would do your friend a good favour if you tell him that by refusing
to issue a OS2 2.0 driver is going to hurt clientele.  All my video cards since
1987 was Paradise as I believed in their technology leadership, they used to be
the technology leader.  But just yesterday, I switched to the ATI camp by
buying a Vantage.  I was very enthusiatic about the new Paradise 90C-somethin
accelerator board.  But when I heard about Western Digital ignoring OS2, I said
enough is enough, I bought the Vantage card.

Good HEalth.

Changhao
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From: dyoung@netcom.com (David Young)
Subject: Re: IBM BBS phone number?
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 04:49:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

From article <1992Apr11.032233.25901@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, by tselling@peabody.iusb.indiana.edu (Teresa Selling):
> I have heard that there is an IBM BBS that can provide fixes and updates.
> Is this true?  I have ver 1.3, but I see no reference to a BBS.  If there
> is such a thing could someone post the phone number.  Thanks.
> --
> Teresa Selling, IUSB, Indiana.

IBM National Support Center - PC User Group BBS
(404)835-5300  1200/2400/9600 N-8-1 Free Access
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From: co@chrom1.mednet.gu.se (Christer Olsson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Emulating 8514/A with SVGA-cards.
Keywords: 8514 svga et4000
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:38:39 GMT
Reply-To: c_olsson@mednt2.sunet.se (Christer Olsson)
Organization: MedNet


I`m using a program supporting 8514/A trough hdiload.dll, but I want to
use it on other machines without 8514/A adapter. 

I know some SVGA-cards (STB as example) has drivers emulating most 8514/A-
functions with a special hdiload.exe. But it`s only for DOS. 

Therefore, I`m searching for a hdiload.dll (for OS/2 2.0) using TSENG ET4000-
based SVGA-cards in resolutions 640*480x256 and maybe 1024*768x256. (we have
1 Mbyte memory on the SVGA-card). 

Anybody knows if any such drivers exists? 
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From: prs@turing.acs.virginia.edu (Phillip R. Scarr)
Subject: Re: DOS Program Icons Under OS/2 - How?
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:01:01 GMT

In article <16APR199209551183@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> smbrush@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Andy Brush @Sverdrup) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.232836.25956@midway.uchicago.edu>, sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes...
>>In article <2354@isgtec.isgtec.com> ted@isgtec.com (Ted Richards) writes:
>>>Has anyone been able to use these [Windows] icons under OS/2 2.0 GA?  Is
>>>there a utility that converts them to somthing OS/2 will recognize? 
>> 
>>Yes indeed.  You can obtain the utility cvtico from hobbes.nmsu.edu
>>via anonymous ftp.  Check pub/os2/utils.  (I think that's all
>>correct.)
>
>I'm curious... Does the migrate utility in 2.0 convert the icons 
>automatically, if they are there at the time of migration?  I'm thinking 
>"yes", because I installed WordPerfect for Windows by restoring a DOS 
>backup, then migrating.  The WP butterfly appeared on my WPS desktop as the 
>program icon.

Windows icons translate if they are internal to the program they refer
to.  AmiPro for AmiPro and WP for WP.  It's the ICO files which need to
be manually translated.


>
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Some questions about OS/2......
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:44:24 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <JEFF.92Apr15181945@fang.clearpoint.com> jeff@fang.clearpoint.com writes:
>On 15 Apr 92 14:58:02 GMT, tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael D Kretzer) said:

>M> also, if you switch over to HPFS on your drives totally, you will find disk
>M> operations running several times faster than on FAT drives.
>
>If you switch everything over to HPFS (I am assuming that this is what
>you are saying by "totally"), then how do you sill have FAT drives??

Floppies, man, flopies!  :-)
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From: pierres@microsoft.com (Pierre Stromberg)
Subject: Re: Gordon, I accept.
Date: 08 Apr 92 18:00:19 GMT
Organization: Sausage, SPAM, Baked Beans, and SPAM Incorporated.

In article <addinall.702176107@cluster> addinall@stallion.oz.au (Mark Addinall) writes:
>In <1992Apr01.001014.4666@microsoft.com> pierres@microsoft.com (Pierre Stromberg) writes:
>>     I have a question. When IBM says they're going to provide multiprocessor
>>support in OS/2 2.0 do they mean that it will be truly a true symmetric
>[ snore ]
>This is a question from a person who works at Microsoft %-/ When is the
>true symmetric multi-user MS-DOS going to appear {HA}. 

     I'd be rather surprised if anything like that was every released but I
did see a very impressive demo of NT running on an NCR multiprocessor machine
at COMDEX. Judging from the hostility of your post I guess you've already
answered my question.



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From: tccheng@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tsai-Chu Cheng)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Cheapest way to get OS/2 v2.0
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:30:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.siaqqINNsjb
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

In article <409@casemo.UUCP> keating@casemo.UUCP (John Keating ) writes:
>
>> - OS/2 2.0 upgrade: $49 from Windows, $99 from any DOS.

I saw a local selling an archaic copy of Windows/286 for $20.  If I didn't
already own Windows 3.0 I would have bought that and just paid another
$50 for OS/2.

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From: smsmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Smith)
Subject: Re: IBM OS/2 v.2.0 demo in Atlanta
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:43:31 GMT

rhoward@matd.gatech.edu (Robert L. Howard) writes:

>The one thing that did impress me was that there
>wasn't a machine more powerful than a 20 MHz 386DX in the bunch
>and OS/2 ran just fine...

I've read about half a dozen posts that have said the same thing.
I'm wondering if these machines had the new 386 SLC chip in them.
At the rollouts I attended this week they had 2 machines with the
386 SLC chip, and they claimed that its performance was better
than a 386/33 (yeah right).  Anyway, with its on-board cache and
optimized instructions set (?) a 386 SLC machine performs much
better than at least a 20 MHz machine.
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From: sasdbh@unx.sas.com (David Horne)
Subject: Re: Tape Backup ?
    <JEFF.92Apr2172456@fang.clearpoint.com> <brown.35@chinchilla.cc.ucf.edu>
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:32:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
X-Bytes: 1407

brown@chinchilla.cc.ucf.edu (Bill Laughner-Brown) writes:
>One solution which I know works (I've done it myself) is to write a Rexx
>program that recurses through the the volume to be backed up and uses
>EAUTIL to stow the EA's away into a file that can be backed up with a non-
>EA aware utility.  There's a RexxUtil call called SysFileTree that returns
>an entire directory structure in a stem variable.  I used this technique to
>save my \Desktop EA's in 6.304E to recover from WPS's frequent trashing of
>my desktop.  Slow as molasses but, hey, you can always run it in the
>background.  BTW, if you're into spending $$$, Maynard has an OS/2 version
>of MaynStream that backs up EA's, and it works on 2.0, too (well, at least
>on my machine).  We are working on specifically supporting OS/2 2.0 in
>future releases.

>Hope this helps,

>Bill Laughner-Brown                         brown@chinchilla.cc.ucf.edu
>Software Engineer                           Maynard(R) - An Archive Company
>#include <std/disclaim.h>

Do you know if Maynard will have software for the Archive 5580i tape drive?
This is the only thing holding me back from switching over to os/2 2.0.
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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: My OS/2 GA Won't Install!
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:51:28 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <matt.10@bss1.umd.edu> matt@bss1.umd.edu (Matthew Piermarini) writes:
>  I finally get a copy of GA and it won't get past disk 1 during the install.
>It fails with a FDISK error after displaying the Logo.  The INSTALL.LOG file 
>looks like:
>Model=FC
>Submodel=01
>Non-Abios Machine
>Bus Architecutre=|0|
>Disk Type=|0|
>FDISK Unsuccessful
>I am installing it on a 386 AMI bios clone, with 2 95meg RLL Drives 
>(WD1006SRV2 Rll Controller).   I don't think it is a hardware problem 
>because I have been using these drives for a while with DOS 5, AND IT WORKED 
>FINE USING THE .304 BETA!  Please help.

I'm noticing a trend (I think), and, while speculative, it seems:

	(a)  OS/2 2.0 just flat out doesn't like > 1024 cylinders, at
least on RLL drives;
	(Solution: enable adapter hardware sector translation.)
	(b)  OS/2 2.0 has trouble installing over a previously
partitioned and formatted RLL drive, particularly HPFS;
	(Solution: start with a low level format, and be sure to mark
bad sectors/tracks as bad.)
	(c) Even after (a) and (b), OS/2 2.0 causes the hard disk to
make a strange whining or grating noise at bootup;
	(Solution: ignore it; seems to be harmless, though
disturbing.)

HOWEVER, these suggestions are based on nothing more than wild
speculation.  So far, however, in an extremely small sample (myself
included) OS/2 2.0 had trouble installing on systems with RLL drives.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David R. Giller)
Subject: Re: PC Week Summary: 4/6/92
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:06:02 GMT

In article <53960@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0040a@prism.gatech.EDU (Thomas Michael Sorensen) writes:
>In <1992Apr7.085201.13452@cheshire.oxy.edu> rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David R. Giller) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr5.202424.16171@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>delivered disks to many customers the next morning.  Analysts predict
>>>1992 OS/2 shipments of 2 to 4 million; Microsoft estimates 200,000,
>>>"maybe a little more."
>
>>Oh, come on.  Even if only the 300,000 beta testers that Stac made reference
>>to upgrade (they went through all the trouble to get the beta, you BET they
>
>30,000 beta testers- Stac made a multiplication error <g>. MS is truely brain
>dead if they think OS/2 will only sell 200000 copies though- the corporations
>will eat more than that alone. Add in end users and you have sales in the
>millions (mostly corporate).

You're right: I shouldn't have taken Stac's figure.  However, Cannavino in
his presentation, said there were 30,000 SITES, not users.  I'm sure there
weren't 100 users per site, but I think he did mention something to the
effect of the 'manyu times this number of Early Support Program users'.

At any rate, didn't someone post here that some analyst estimated that over
3 million copies have already been pre-sold?

>>1-800-3-IBM-OS2 number?  100 operators?  I think that's more than even 2-4
>
>They have 300 operators right now, are taking approx. 2400 orders a day. They
>would have more operators but they're at capacity right now! (As per the OS/2
>people in the IBM tower here in Atlanta,where the ordering info is being done).

This would seem to blow the 3 million figure, but that's still alot of orders!

-Dave
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From: yon%smltlk.cbm.dec.com@decwrl.dec.com (David A. Yon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 SVGA INFO (long)
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:09:23 GMT
Reply-To: yon%smltlk.cbm.dec.com@decwrl.dec.com (David A. Yon)
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.misc
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <"barnacle.e.432:09.03.92.16.25.05"@clarkson.edu>,
BERNIET@BCRVMPC1.VNET.IBM.COM writes:
|>Q:  I have an ATI 8514 Ultra.. does it work under OS/2?
|>A:  Yessir. Because of it's 8514 compatability, this is a keen card. If your
|>    Ultra is hooked into an SVGA card, you will probably have to change the
|>    line in your CONFIG.SYS that reads:
|>    DEVICE=\OS2\MDOS\VVGA.SYS
|>                                    to:
|>    DEVICE=\OS2\MDOS\VSVGA.SYS
|>    This will make OS/2 alot more friendly towards your Ultra's little
brother.
|>    Other than the complication of which card the Ultra is hooked into, OS/2
|>    treats it just like a 8514 card. Contact ATI for any special problems
with
|>    this card.
|>

Ok,

	Nobody has mentioned this...  Is seamless Windows support available for
8514/A displays (and hence the ATI Ultra series), or is it *only* VGA.  Also,
I've heard that OS/2 has some of the Windows 3.1 support.  Does it have the 
multimedia extensions?  I just got Win 3.1 and am already hooked on the idea
of having a generic, "supported" interface to my music toys.  

	This will largely determine whether or not I jump into this release of
OS/2.  Otherwise I will probably wait until the patches are in the code to
support these items.

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From: ken@psych.toronto.edu (Ken Seergobin)
Subject: Co-existence of Multiple Oper. Systems??
Organization: Dept. of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:44:37 GMT

I would like to run OS2/2.0 plus a PC
Unix (Interactive, NeXTstep, Linux ...) on
the same machine.  Will the mentioned
Unixes (and others) reside peacefully 
on the same Hard disk as OS2/2.0?

Also, since I haven't purchased the
machine yet, suggestions on an ideal
486 configuration is welcome.

Please respond by E-MAIL.

Thanks in advance,
Ken
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From: ballard@ucs.ubc.ca (Alan Ballard)
Subject: Re: stacker 2.0 status
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:21:47 GMT

In <1992Apr6.201938.14178@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> bradleyt@spot.Colorado.EDU (Todd "Slan" Bradley) writes:

> I'm sure someone who doesn't
>mind paying Compuserve's online fees as much as I do will repost
>a copy of the announcement soon.

CHICAGO (APRIL 6) BUSINESS WIRE - Stac Electronics Monday announced at
COMDEX/Spring '92 that a new version of its award-winning data compression
software is being designed for OS/2 2.0, IBM's 32-bit operating system for
38SX PCs and above.
   Stacker for OS/2 will allow users to start their systems with OS/2 or DOS
and access their existing Stacker drives without any modification while
running either operating system. It will also be 100 percent compatible with
Stac's line of coprocessor boards for maximum speed and compression ratios.
   The OS/2 version of Stacker, like the entire Stacker line of data
compression software and coprocessor boards, doubles a computer's storage
capacity with the Stacker LZS technology, which is instantaneous, continuous
and totally transparent to the user.
   "Stac has received strong demand from its installed base for an OS/2
version of Stacker," said Gary Clow, Stac's president. "We have been quietly
engaged in developing Stacker for OS/2 for more than a year now, and this
summer we will supply a beta release to the 300,000 OS/2 2.0 beta testers."
   Clow said Stacker for OS/2 will be available later this year through Stac
OEMs
 the company's existing retail channels or ordered directly from Stac by
calling 800/522-7822. All Stacker products come with free technical support.
   Stacker OS/2 will join the Stacker line of products that now includes
Stacker 2.0 software for laptop, notebook and portable computers, and Stacker
AT/16 and Stacker MC/16 compression coprocessor boards for desktop systems.
   OS/2 2.0 offers true multitasking and will provide the broadest selections
of applications in the industry, running DOS, Windows and 16- and 32-bit OS/2
applications unchanged, according to IBM.
   Stac Electronics, based in Carlsbad, Calif., is the leading supplier of
high-performance data compression software and silicon. The company's products
 designed for corporate-wide compression applications, are sold direct from
the company and through traditional retail and OEM sales distribution. OS/2 is
a registered trademark of International Business Machines Corp.
   CONTACT: Stac Electronics, Carlsbad
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From: gulcu@masg1.epfl.ch (Ceki Gulcu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Installation
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:04:38 GMT
Reply-To: lbdsun6.epfl.ch
Organization: EPFL, Physics Department

In article <rvvlqINNo1t@agate.berkeley.edu>, woan@soda.berkeley.edu (Ronald Woan) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr8.145124@masg1.epfl.ch> lbdsun6.epfl.ch writes:
|> >A while back, I read an announcement from IBM saying that OS/2 2.0 could 
|> >be installed via network. Did anybody try this?
|> 
|> I don't know the details, but the IBM Austin site has a two diskette
|> network install for people here.

 Wow! This is great news. Do you have an idea how the two "magical" diskettes
 work? 

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From: Turgut Kalfaoglu <TURGUT@FRMOP11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Unix under OS/2

In theory, you should be able to - if you can boot it from floppy.
At least, this is my understanding of Virtual Dos Machines.
 -turgut
From: rhoward@matd.gatech.edu (Robert L. Howard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Video Vendors that DO support OS/2?
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:09:58 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

alanr@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Alan N Rovner) writes:

>I've been following the discussion regarding availability of OS/2 SVGA
>video drivers and so far am disapointed.  ATI, Diamond, Tseng and others
>basically have told the OS/2 user base to get lost.  All right then, are
>there any vendors that *do* offer OS/2 SGVA support now or in the near-term
>future?  I am about to buy a new video card and this will surely affect my
>buying decision.  I will support a company that supports OS/2, and vice versa.

Yes, let's make the market work for us....

I have an Orchid Farenheit 1280 card.  It looks like Orchid is
going to provide OS/2 drivers for it (and their other cards).
It's a good card, support Orchid.

Robert
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