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From: ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Subject: Re: New to Good Beer
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:27:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.224103.24667@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jhoskins@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James M Hoskins) writes:
>
>$3.90 a sixpack versus the $5.59 it costs in my area, I am certain that
>there would be a great realignment in North American drinking habits
>(you Canadians are welcome to try it too).

Having been in Canada for a conference last week I am now a believer in
the old axiom that Canadian beer tastes much better in Canada than the US.
You can actually taste the hops in a Molson Export, while Golden sold
here is tasteless crap that reminds me of regular American beer.  And
Moosehead, sold here, is a totally unremarkable beer.  Unfortunately,   
Ontario beer laws being what they are, I couldn't sample Cnadian brews
from elsewhere in Canada, but nonetheless the Molson products and Sleemans
Ale, while not totally awsome, were a hell of a lot better than I expected.

Was the beer war ever settled?  I did notice Bud on tap up there in a few
places.  Since I only drink it when there is nothing else here, I wasn't going
to check and see if it was the same.


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From: crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Ernest Crvich)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Good English Ales
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:07:23 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

In article <1992Nov18.174522.18424@news.nd.edu> ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:
>I find most British beers to be piss water, and had the 'pleasure' of drinking
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   Could you be more specific?  I've never been in England, so I don't know
if the imports we're getting in the states are a good example of the popular
stuff you actually get in the UK.  Like I've said before, almost all of the
ones I've tried (sans Bass, Double Diamond, and Watney's Red Barrel) have
been quite good.  Not remotely what I would call "piss water" (I would not
even apply that derogatory term to the three English brews I don't like...
they are easily better than any American megabrewery product).  

>DD on draught last week in Canada.  They also had the piss Yorkshire Bitter, 

   Haven't seen that one.  At least I have one example now of what you
perceive as a terrible English beer.

>which tastes as bad in London, Ontario, as London, England.  British lager 
>makes some of the normal American beers look good.
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

   Hmmm...somehow I can't believe that is even possible.  :)

>However, there are some good British beers that are imported into the US
>such as Theakstons, Bass, etc., but there is also Watney's Red Barrell...

   I've had draught Bass once, and it is indeed better than the bottled
stuff, which I still think is pretty dismal...definitely not comparable
to Old Peculier.  I just don't know what happened to Bass...only a few
years ago it used to be pretty good...now it has no character at all.  :(

   All opinions, of course...  :)
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From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Cask Ale; Thomas Hardy
Date: 17 Nov 1992 13:56:57 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
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In article <1e9t5sINNgmt@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cm199@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas G. Moore) writes:
>
>But in response to your question-Thomas Hardy is similar to cask
>condition ales in that there is living yeast in the bottle. This
>will give the beer a chance to change flavors after so many years
>which is why it's so expensive. It can be compared to a fine wine
>and I have heard that it can be aged up to 25 years.

   All that is true, but I think the most important fact about
Thomas Hardy to impart is that it is a barley wine (a *very*
strong beer, at least 2-3 times stronger than a "typical" ale).
I once suggested to somebody that they try a barley wine, and
their reaction to the brew was negative, to say the least, even
after a warning that it would be more like a sherry than a beer.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: burzlaff@ligiahp.univ-lyon1.fr (Maxime BURZLAFF        )
Subject: Norwegian beers continued 
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:52:40 GMT
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>
>Ringnes is a good beer, but not the best Norwegian beer... The best Norwegian
>beer is the "Lysholmer Special" from Trondheim. :-) No NO NO The best Norwegian
>beer is "Hansa pils" from Bergen!!!!!!

I tried Ringnes in Olso, Hansa in Bergen and Lysholmer in Trondheim, and Mack.
The Lysholmer special is my favorite.
But Xmas beers are better.
Have U tested Grans Juleol ? (From Larvik I think)

In Oslo : did anybody try the Oslo Mikrobryggeri (sorry for the spelling),
it's located somewhere between Bogstadveien and Nationaltheatret. 
They have different beers, the best I've tasted in Norway.

BTW, I'll be in Olso from 26 Nov. to 9 dec.

SKAAL again

Max Mad
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: brewing
Date: 19 Nov 1992 22:26:38 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
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In article <1992Nov19.204419.1270@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st902627@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>Hey, I'm going to start brewing my own in a coupla weeks and if anybody out there has any ideas I'd be thrilled to hear em!

   Two ideas:  go over to rec.crafts.brewing, since that's where brewing
is discussed, and use line lengths less than 80 characters.
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Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
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From: jornaa@fdh.hsf.no (Joern Aasland)
Subject: Re: Norwegian beers continued
Organization: Finnmark College
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:57:13 GMT
Reply-To: jornaa@fdh.hsf.no

The only good Grans product is Grans Julebrus(Christmas soda)

I lives in Tonsberg, the nearest town to Sandefjord, where
Grans brewery is located. 
You allways get what you pay for!!!!!!

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From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Cask Ale; Thomas Hardy
Date: 18 Nov 1992 14:51:11 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu
Summary: Thomas Who?

In article <1992Nov18.134320.11701@viewlogic.com> robl@macro.viewlogic.com (Rob Limbert) writes:
>|>    Seriously, though, a lager is any ol' bottom-fermeted beer.  US
>|> megabreweries aside, a pilsner is a super-premium lager which is
>|> light (in color) and is characterized by a flowery hop aroma
>|> and a dry finish (according to Jackson).
...
>But Michael Jackson calls Sam Adams a Pilsner (in 'The New World
>Guide to Beer'), and I think Sam Adams meets all the criteria you list above,

   He doesn't classify it as a pilsner in the Pocket Guide, but his
description does make it sound like a classic pilsner, so I'll defer
to Michael Jackson's expertise.  I'll also try to bludgeon my taste-
buds into characterizing the aftertaste of Samuel Adams Lager as
"dry," and I'll squint until I see the color as "light." :-)
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject: Samuel Adams--The Talk of the Town
Organization: University of Kentucky
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:39:55 GMT

 
Thought that readers of this group might enjoy this snippet from the
brand-new New Yorker (dated 11/23/92):
 
Chumley's, a West Village pub and restaurant, drained all the foreign
beers from its taps one night recently, and replaced them with a dozen
American microbrews.  Then it threw a party to celebrate.  Appropriately,
Jim Koch was among the guests.  Jim Koch is one the most successful men
in the American beer business.  He is the founder and brewer of Samuel
Adams Boston Lager.  He is also a man who hates foreign beers so intensely
that he is regularly sued by German brewers for making insulting statements
about their products in advertisements.  He has even taken his private war
onto German territory by becoming the only American brewer to sell his
product there.
 
At the Chumley's party, Jim Koch enthusiastically consumes his own
product.  "I'm the guy whose name is on the bottle," he says.  "Every
time I hire a new employee, somebody loses a job in Germany or Mexico.
You know what?  Fuck 'em.  And in my heart I'm happy. Let 'em drink their
own beer and we'll drink ours."  Then he explains how excited Sam Adams,
the leader of the Boston Tea Party, would be if he were alive to witness the
expulsion of foreign beers from Chumley's.  "Frankly, I'd like to break
open the kegs on the street," he says.
 
Unfortunately for Koch, his disdain for foreign beer earns him no love
among the other American microbrewers at the Chumley's celebration.  On
the contrary, several of them claim to detest him.  Even Steve, the pub's
owner and the party's host, professes to have "no great love for the
guy," but he attributes much of Koch's unpopularity to jealousy of his
success.  Some of Koch's competitors claim that his real target is not
foreign imports but other domestic microbrews, and that his anti-foreign
posturing is part of a Machiavellian marketing strategy for undermining
them.  The head of the Brooklyn Brewery, Tom Potter, declares that what
he doesn't like is Koch's nationalistic attitude.  "It's a mistake to
think that only Americans can make good beer," he says.
 
One thing, however, unites all the microbrewers at Chumley's, and that
is dislike of the beer that the major American manufacturers turn out
-- stuff that's "just fizz for washing down nacho chips."  But what do
you expect, they say.  It's produced in tanks the size of MX missiles.
 
Reproduced without permission.
 
Brad Grissom
bgrissom@ukcc.uky.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: hsu@pix.com (Dagwood Splits the Atom)
Subject: Re: Winter Warmers are back!
Organization: Pix -- The company with no adult supervision.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:03:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.013631.19866@u.washington.edu> machman@stein.u.washington.edu (The Machman) writes:
>marc@venus.clearpoint.com (Marc Washburn) writes:
>>1. Samual Adams ww -  Great Great taste...a little heavy on the alcohol 
>>   content.
>>2. Harpoon Winter Lager - One of my favorite, definitly three thumbs up.
>Deschutes Jubelale -- copper-colored, well-hopped, malty.  I LOVE it.
>Pyramid Snow Cap -- not as heavy as it usually is, but very complex taste.
>Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale -- not much character but bitter.  it's okay.
>Red Hook Winterhook -- as good as it's been.  i've never been too impressed.
>Full Sail Wassail -- disappointing decline from last year.  not too good.
>...
>I haven't seen Anchor's yet, otherwise I would have already tried it!  :^9

I don't think Anchor's offering is out yet.  To this list, let me add:

Sam Smith's Winter Warmer -- straw-colored, estery, but in a clear bottle,
	so I'd expect to hear about a large number of these being
	lightstruck.  Mine seemed a tad off, but underneath the buttery
	cast it was rather tasty, although lower in perceived alcohol than
	I would have expected.

Geary's (urrgh, forgot what it's named) -- nice copper color, well-hopped
	against its maltiness.

-dave

-- 
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Pix Technologies Corporation       stay on the shelf, the less desirable they
Have nerds, will telnet.           become."    - Andy Heller
From: hildreth@wpine.wrc.xerox.com (Scott A Hildreth (co-op))
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Michael Shea's
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:47:58 GMT
Reply-To: hildreth.wbst128@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox


I don't know if has made it outside the Rochester, New York area yet,
but if it does
WATCH FOR IT!  Michael Shea's is a very good Irish Lager made by the
same people as
Genese (I know it sounds bad, but...), if I have my info correct.  I
would say it
is comparable to Sam Adams, but since I get it on tap much fresher than
SA, I think
it is better.  Not to mention that a six of Shea's costs only $3.99 and
not $6-$7 like
SA.  Has any one else heard of Shea's?  Everyone here that I've talked
to loves the
stuff.  I used to like Mich. and Genuine Drafts, but not any more.  I
plan on converting
my Dad this Thanksgiving, by bringing a case or more home.

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From: olson@husc9.Harvard.EDU (Charles Olson)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Beer and Chocolate
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:00:14 GMT
Organization: Spam-On-A-Rope Inc.

In article <1992Nov18.201708.330@news.acns.nwu.edu>, mdick@acns.nwu.edu (Matthew S. Dick) writes:

|> On a warm sunny day go to your favorite picnic spot and bring along some Bass  
|> Ale and a Dove dark chocolate bar.  Take one square of Dove and chew it until  
|> it becomes creamy, then fill your mouth with the ale.  This is a wonderful  
|> combination. 

Mmmmmmmmm... my personal favorite combination of this sort is chocolate, coffee
and Drambuie, consumed in the same sitting.  If your mouth could have an orgasm,
this would be it.

-- 
-Chip Olson. | olson@husc.harvard.edu | ceo@{gnu.ai,silver.lcs}.mit.edu 
"These are the days you might fill with laughter until you break. These days
you might feel a shaft of light make its way across your face... And when you 
do you'll know how it was meant to be..." -10,000 Maniacs, "These Are Days"
From: smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stuart Mennitt)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Bud
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:48:30 GMT
Reply-To: smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stuart Mennitt)
Followup-To: alt.beer
Organization: NavSurfWarCen, CarderockDiv (ex-"Taylor Model Basin")

In alt.beer, hg2001@mailserver.bgsu.edu (Heather) writes:

>Doesn't anyone like Bud anymore??  My personal fave is Bud Dry.
>
>Heather

    When Mich Dry first came out, a newspaper review said the following:

	 "According to Anheiser-Busch, Michelob Dry has less bitter
	 hop flavor and less aftertaste than regular Michelob.  According
	 to beer experts, this could not be possible..."
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From: dwv@cs.brown.edu (David W. Vorbrich)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Medalla (was Re: Best Beer)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 01:09:38 GMT
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Distribution: world
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In article <92320.151104JR8551A@auvm.american.edu>, Jossie I. Roman
 <JR8551A@auvm.american.edu> writes:
|> Hi! I come from Puerto Rico and the best beer is Medalla.  But a lot of people
|> drink Medalla, Budweiser, and Coors Light.  So, if you guys have any chance to
|> go to the Shining Star of the Caribbean, drink Pina Colada and Medalla.
|> 

I had the opportunity to spend 2 weeks in P.R. with a friend last summer,
and found Medalla to be terrible.  Most places seem to only carry Medalla,
and if you are lucky, might have the Bud/Coors type beers mentioned above.
Medalla is very similar to Coors (Extra Gold), and much to my displeasure,
is only available in cans it would seem.

If you have to chance to visit P.R., do so, it was amazing.  I suggest,
however, that you stick to the Pina Coladas!  I also took a liking to
Cuba Libre's (Rum and Coke) when served with DQ amber rum.

PS- I was also quite confused that no one served Red Stripe beer.  In one
place they seemed to have had never heard of it, even though it is
brewed nearby in Jamica.

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: yngveb@fdh.hsf.no (Yngve Bjoroey)
Subject: clausthaler
Organization: Finnmark College
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:38:18 GMT
Reply-To: yngveb@fdh.hsf.no


I'd like to hear your opinion about Clausthaler

Larry
From: davet@uk.sun.com (Dave Tong - Sun UK - Tech Support)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: American Beers in England
Date: 23 Nov 92 10:40:55 GMT
Reply-To: davet@uk.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems Ltd.

There`s a small brewery in Manchester called the West Coast Brewing Company.

They do a spot-on copy of Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, which for legal reasons
they've had to rename Yakima Grandee Pale Ale. 5.0% alcohol, very dry, very
hoppy. An excellent beer and has won a few awards.

It's occasionally available in the free trade and at beer festivals. The pub
itself is hard to find but is in Manchester City Centre. It`s called the
Kings Arms on Helmshore Walk.

They also make a Yakima Grandee Porter. I don't know if Sierra Nevada
make a porter, but Anchor do and it's rather similar.
From: jball@unixg.ubc.ca (Joe E Ball)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: EVILS
Date: 21 Nov 92 07:47:04 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In <19961.2b0adcab@ul.ie> 8905991@ul.ie writes:

>Beer drinkers must repent.  Alcohol drunk for pleasure is sinfull.  
>Not only does it give man the mind of a cock, but it makes him
>impotent-both spiritually and physically.

>		This is from Jason.

Well then Jason, you will be happy to know that we only drink beer for
medicianl purposes here.  Actually, this group is alt.beer.for medicinal
purposes only, thanks, but all that wouldn't fit on the header.  The folks
you want to talk to are found at alt.beer.sin.depravity.gluttony.  Hope
you can find them, although sometimes the net site keeps them off coz,
after all, they advocate some pretty bad things.  Good hunting, son!
Xref: sparky alt.beer:7092 rec.food.drink:3408
From: olson@husc9.Harvard.EDU (Charles Olson)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Beer and Chocolate
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:06:03 GMT
Organization: Spam-On-A-Rope Inc.

In article <1992Nov18.145328.61003@cc.usu.edu>, slndw@cc.usu.edu (Mark Taratoot) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov18.201708.330@news.acns.nwu.edu>, mdick@acns.nwu.edu (Matthew S. Dick) writes:

|> > Substituting different beers is always a good idea, but Dove is the  
|> > very best chocolate.

Try Lindt, from Switzerland, or Perugina.  Far richer than Dove.

|> or, you could just make beer with chocolate in it.  I have a couple of
|> batches that I added 4oz unsweet chocolate per 5 gal of stout.  

Yes, I made a stout awhile back with a 4-oz bar of Ghirardelli unsweetened
chocolate and a pot of coffee thrown in at the end of the boil.  Yummy stuff!

-- 
-Chip Olson. | olson@husc.harvard.edu | ceo@{gnu.ai,silver.lcs}.mit.edu 
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you might feel a shaft of light make its way across your face... And when you 
do you'll know how it was meant to be..." -10,000 Maniacs, "These Are Days"
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: mheniff@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (heniff michael j jr)
Subject: Re: special export
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:30:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.162405.5276@m.cs.uiuc.edu> hughes@swine.cs.uiuc.edu (Eric Hughes) writes:
>Old Smyle has always had certain unpleasant effects on my digestive
>system.  However, Special Ex is nice (and on sale here now  8=> )

The same happens to me too.  I think that Old Style is probably the best
tasting of the major breweries but its after effects are to unpleasent to
drink this regularly.  Does this happen to everyone who drinks this beer or
just us select few?

Mike
  

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Sam Adams suing someone?
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:51:29 GMT

danco@titan.ucc.umass.edu (DANIEL F COHEN) writes:

>In article <1992Nov18.175723.18730@news.nd.edu> ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:
>>  I have not had Sam Adams Lager recently, but others say it is like some 
>>Pilseners (nor will I buy it after hearing that they are sueing a Boston 
>>Micro for using the cities name.  I mean, it is despicable that a brewery 
>>that brews in Pittsburgh is sueing a brewery that brews in Boston for using 
>>thei city's name).

>Can we try that one again?  Sam Adams does indeed have a brewery in Boston
>(tour cheap and highly recommended).  I haven't heard about any lawsuit, but 
>how does SA think it has any sort of claim on the name 'Boston'?

When Sam Adams was first brewed, it was indeed brewed in Pittsburgh by the
'Boston Brewing Company'.  This information was and still is on the back of
the bottles' label, although the labels do now read that the beer is brewed
in Boston.  So, maybe the owners of Sam Adams Beer are suing over the the
brewery in Boston IF they have the name of the Boston Brewing Company.
Others?

allen
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