HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: rumor: u.s. selling nuke
Reply-To: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 10 Jan 93 03:56:29 EST

In Article: <C0K57w.8KE@ulowell.ulowell.edu>
   Subject: Rumor: U.S. Selling Nuke Sub to Taiwan?
      From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:

>Taiwan itself is not the problem for China, people behind it is.
>Attacking Taiwan, is like hit the hand that offend you, it will not
>solve the problem, you should hit the heart or head.

So you want to eliminate all the people of Taiwan to solve CCP's
problem?

We have seen too often that CCP was such an expert in
"shooting itself at it's own foot".

--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:  Cannibalism
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:26:10 -0500
Organization: Muskingum College

	when i read the article in the New York Times, I first did not dare to
believe the cannibalism had actually happened, but I was then terribly sickened
when i saw part of the copied Chinese documents about the variety of
cannibalisim.  it all happened during cultural revolution in modern China.  In
those crazy years, some people were just so dehumanized that they would do
those inhuman things.  Athough i grew up in China and lived through cultural
revolution, i just cannot understand but keep woundering what made people in
those years so dehumanized.  Whom is to blam?  Chairman Mao, the CCP, or those
seemingly "innocent" red guards?  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng)
Subject: Re: Yan Xing and Qi Gong, Is It Science?
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 05:52:25 GMT


If QiGong is a kind of magic, how does this magic work?
If QiGong is a kind of cheating, how do the QiGong masters cheat people?

It is too early to make the conclusion before you understand how to
repeat the results by youself.   Although QiGong masters fail to supply
solid evidences for supporting their claims, you have not yet found a way to
prove the masters cheating people.


J Su


In article <C0B5nC.87w@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>In article <105980@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>>I am not. A few years ago, they played the same trick before. They
>>claimed how Prof. Wu JiaiPing admired QiGong. Prof. Wu had to pay
>>from his own pocket to advertize that he did not even attend the
>>QiGong lecture at all.
>
>Yan Xin said he has 60 million audience in China. Each time he
>gave "lecture", people had to pay over thousand Yuan to attend.
>If what he did was merely cheating, does this constitute the
>crime of fraud? Not even to mention he uses many big names. He
>claimed that George Bush greeted him many times in White House 
>(considering Bush is a politician, this could be true :-).
>
>>QiGong (magic kind), Boxer Movement, Big leap Forward, and Culture
>>Revolution, are very special symptom of Chinese culture. We are
>>very specially subject to cheating, why?
>
>And looking at the believers (many are indeed Ph. D.'s, even
>professors), I am somewhat shocked.
From: jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:  Re: Guangxi massscre (Re: Cannib
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:33:50 -0500
Organization: Muskingum College

	In article "re: Guangx1 massacre" posted by Steven Lin, he listed the
numbers compiled from different newspapers of people killed by the CCP.  One
has to ask two critical questions: (1) How accurate are those numbers? and (2)
How relible are the resources?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,alt.alien.visitors
From: lian@cs.dal.ca (Li An YUAN )
Subject: help---read HXWZ in Msdos
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:04:17 GMT


  Hi,  does anyone know how to read HXWZ in Msdos? 
  I try to read HXWZ in Msdos, but it doesn't work, please 
  tell me what's wrong with it. Thanks in advance!

      1. obtain PKZ110EU.EXE and UUCODE16.ZIP by ftp
      2. unpack them
      3. save the HXWZ file ( email ) as a new file, say TRY.

      then, I try in two ways:

      1. type TRY

      2. uucode TRY and type it

  -- Li An
     lian@cs.dal.ca





     
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shen@128.104.39.173
Subject: Re: Chinese Embassy -- Chicago
Reply-To: shen@128.104.39.173
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin, Plasma Physics
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 11:31:20 EST

In article <1993Jan6.225825.3049@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, wangw@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>Hello, folks!
>
>Could anyone kindly tell me the address and the phone # of Chinese
>Embassy in Chicago?  I am in badly need of them.  Please either e-mail me or
>post here--they may be valuable to others too. 
>
>Thanks a lot in advance.  Have a wonderful Chinese New Year!
>
>
>wangw@cnsvax.uwec.edu
> 

There is no such thing called "Chinese Embassy in Chicago".  It is called "The 
Consulate General of PRC in Chicago".  Its address:

	The Consulate General of PRC in Chicago
	104 S. Michigan Ave.  Suite 408
	Chicago, IL 60603

Since you are in Wisconsin, you probably want to talk with Mr. Wu Xiaolong. 
His Phone # is:  (312)-346-6389.

Good luck and be careful.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:34258 soc.culture.hongkong:16920 soc.culture.taiwan:16867
From: yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Guangxi massacre (Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi... )
Keywords: The CCP blood debts increased
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:03:15 GMT
Organization: New York University

jchang@goofy.asc.slb.com (Jeff Chang) writes:

>In article <C0Jv1K.C3n@cmcl2.nyu.edu>, yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang) writes:
>|> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>|> 
>|> >>From 1958-1959
>|> >   One million Tibetans were killed by the PLA.				 1 M
>|> 
>|> This cannot be true, do you know the population of Xizang (Tibet) at that time?

>So, is this the only number you have in doubt among all others?

This is enough to make people doubt the creditability of the references
the orginal post cited.

>|> 
>|> China-bashing will do harm to the reform happenning in China.
>|> 
>|> Ze Yang

>So does democratic reform?

>This kind of mentality is exactly why those butchers can still rule China
>after killing their own people by counts of millions and is exactly what 
>they wish. No wonder the west perceive Chinese as a group of people 
>who won't rebel once given a bowl of rice. As long as this pathological psychology prevails among Chinese, democracy would never arrive. Sigh!

>Jeff Chang


Bullshit, what makes you think you can teach others, my statement is
that 'China-bashing will do harm to the reform', I still stand by it.

Ze Yang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cs922259@a09.yorku.ca (Ming He)
Subject: Re: Death in China's New Economic Zones
Organization: /cs/students/part9/cs922259/.organization
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:13:23 GMT

SDC% Death in China's New Economic Zones
SDC% ---------------------------------------------------
SDC% Linda Pfeifer   (Facts from China Labor Notes, 12/92)
SDC%  
SDC% [...]
SDC% Some foreign investors will not tell Chinese workers
SDC% the contents of substances they are handling.  Instead,
SDC% codes or numbers are used to represent poisonous
SDC% chemicals.  This makes it difficult for hospitals to
SDC% save victims because the type of poison is a mystery.

	That is to say those investors have an intention to fool the
	Chinese workers despite the fact that makes the diagnosis much
	harder.  They can everything for money.

	/ming
From: mimi@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Mimi Lin)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:34:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Toycott?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
From: yawei@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (~{QG9p~})
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi during the Cultural Revolution
Keywords: Terrible conclusion
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 07:09:56 GMT

In article <106572@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:

>Right, GaoGan's kids are much easier to become fighters:-) This is a
>pattern in China since the end of the last century.

Reminds me of the following anecdote:

During the "Criticize Lin Piao Movement" we learnt quite a few of
Lin Piao's viewpoints:
  - National economy was in stagnation
  - The past was better than the present
  - The country was rich but the people were poor
  - that Chairman Mao resembles the First Emperor of Qin
  - the need for reform
  - that he revered Confucius (most of Confucianism and other classics
    I learnt were learnt during those days, thanks to Pi Lin Pi Kong.)
  etc.

I found most of what Lin said were quite in agreement with what I
had heard and thought.  In fact it wouldn't be too far off to say
that I have admired Lin Piao at one time or another.

Last year when I mentioned this on SCC one netter challenged me that
if I had known about the bad things that Lin had done I wouldn't be
admiring him.  Well, since Lin was a CCP big shot I do not doubt that
he had done a lot of bad things just like other CCP big shots. But
most of the bad things I had heard about him were how he had made
other CCP big shots suffered.  If you were an offspring of those 
suffered CCP big shots you must hate him to guts.  But frankly I 
couldn't CARE LESS about those internal fightings of CCP big shots.
To me, Lin Piao was a far lesser evil when comparing to Mao.  Hell,
at least he was one of the few CCPers who actually fought a victorious
battle against the Japanese.

As to the farmers, they just want to live and be let live. 

Someone suggested that Chinese farmers are CCP supporters. One
couldn't be more wrong.  I am not saying that the farmers would
neccessarily support the current breed of democratic fighters
(since I believe most d-fighters have so far neglect the interest
of the farmers), but CCP supporters they are not.


    Ya-Gui Wei
From: "andrew cribb" <andrew.cribb@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: copyright public domain
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:43:49 EST
Reply-To: "andrew cribb" <andrew.cribb@execnet.com>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Executive Networks Information


Since China has now become a signatory of the Berne and UCC copyright
conventions, copyright in works originating in the USA/Europe etc is
now protected.  But, can someone advise me what year does the PRC
agreemenbt set Public Domain?

Xin Nian Xin Fu! adc

andrew.cribb@execnet.com
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Guangxi massacre (Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi...)
From: <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:18:23 EST
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1993Jan10.163606.4240@vax.cns.muskingum.edu>,
jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu says:
>
>In article <1993Jan10.184443.23960@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu>,
>Lei@bnos.csd.bldrdoc.gov writes:
>> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) wrote:
>>>In article <C0Jv1K.C3n@cmcl2.nyu.edu> yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang) writes:
>
      Citations of others deleted.

>        *** How naive and simplistic!  Military action is no solution to
>whatever problems there exist in the Mainland.  Besides, the KMT is in no
>way militarily comparable with the CCP.  Don't overestimate the forces of
>some F-16s.  The CCP may not be the hope of China, but the KMT is no best
>alternative.  The true hope of China is the Chinese people.  We need no more
>simplistic emotional China bashing.  Let's try to understand history in
>historical contexts and work for a promising future.

  Oh, there, did your parents give you some nerve of humour?
  try to read the original post again, you may have smell defferent
  scent. -)
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Newwer China
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:28:02 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <C08zuC.KJM@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.153148.4587@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>>
>>	I read it somewhere that people in the special economic zone
>>	near HK is in favor of Patten's reform in a survey.
>
>	Even a large number of HK people don't surport, how dare you say
>   "people in special economic zone surport"??? You will never be able
>   to tell us what is the "somewhere"!

	That is not my point. The point is, I was questioning your
	claim that you know most Chinese's stands on issues.

	For the same reason, it is not I don't believe your claim
	that a large number of HK people don't support Patten's plan
	but that where you based your claim. See the differences?

	Actually, I sort of believe you claim here. HK people knows
	Patten will back down if they say so but CCP government won't.
	For a short term stability, they may have to compromise.


>  Tell you, they know too much, they even know something people living
>  outside don't know, they have been informed too much information like
>  your "somewhere". 

	I used "somewhere" because it is not my intention to have people
	believe in it as it only serves to question your claim (though I 
	don't even remember where I read it :-)

>>	Are you in favor of MFN status to China? How is that compare
>>	to Chinese government's use of economic measure as a political
>>	tool and not putting people's wellfare first?
>
>   In your mind, everything the Chinese Government want to do is guilty,
>  is for their own personal purposes. you are hopeless!

	No. I was not questioning Chinese Government, I was questioning
	YOU on the standard you used to side with the government.
	See the differences?


>   You'd better follow your British masters to go back home after 1997,
>  that's good for you.

	Sorry, my life has very less to do with Hongkong or British.
	I do work for a master whom I call her wife.

	Why are you so fond of insulting yourself using this kind of
	language?

Yung-Kao Hsu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: Rumor: U.S. Selling Nuke Sub to Taiwan?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:28:08 GMT

In article <6JAN199313401440@elroy.uh.edu> math1pu@elroy.uh.edu (Luo, Youngping) writes:
>...
>And I wonder what makes them think the mainland will attack in the first place.

	Fisrt, CCP government lacks the creditability to win anyone's
	trust. She does not even attempt to try in the case of recent
	HK's situation; she prefer to be a bully in dealing with things
	she don't like.

	Second, people who oppose the use of military means have no say
	in deciding what CCP government should and could do. When was
	the last time CCP government listen to your or other's opinions?

>Secondly, if the red China did attack, which would be a stupid move, how 
>could Taiwan escape from being beaten regardless how many F-16's Mirage-

	The reason to having those weapons is not to fight but to show
	a will to defend that a possible attack would not be costless
	and painless to CCP government. Unfortunately, this seems to
	be the language CCP government understands the most.

Yung-Kao Hsu
From: ChairmanMao@cgov.beijing.cn (Mao Zedong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:32:35 GMT
Reply-To: ChairmanMao@cgov.beijing.cn
Organization: Chinese Communist Party

Oops.
---
From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Date: 08 Jan 93 05:16 PST
Subject: Videotext (VTX) in China ?
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1472500020:000:228
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Jan  8 05:16:00 1993


Has anyone information about videotext (VTX) in China? Are there already any
broadcasts or special applications (close caption)? Which code is used by
broadcasters? Who does R&D in China on that subject?

Goetz
Seoul 1993/01/08

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: "andrew cribb" <andrew.cribb@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: re: cannibalism in guangx
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:46:06 EST
Reply-To: "andrew cribb" <andrew.cribb@execnet.com>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Executive Networks Information

 -=> Quoting Lxh108 to All <=-

 Lx> mainland china. Don't mislead people out side of mainland China by
 Lx> using the exagerated old facts. Cultural revolution did killed

"Mislead" is the key word.  It is the basis of the new capitalism in China,
unfortunately.  Exageration of poverty and political woes is used on a frequent
basis when speaking or negotiating with "foreign" business in order to
get a better deal.  It is a pity this type of negotiation skill is being
used, since it will have a long-term negative effect on Western views of China.
However, I guess that is not of much importance at the present time to
those concerned. adc

andrew.cribb@execnet.com

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From: hefa@ERE.UMontreal.CA (He Fangliang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for a friend
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:59:32 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Hello, I am looking for Ms. Xie Li-Hong (Xie Lin_Hong). She is from
Zhejiang Province and came to the USA for family reunion in 1990.
She studied and worked in Department of Chemistry of Hang-Zhou
University during 1979-1990. Blind information about her husband.
If there is anyone who knows about her or her husband please
forward this information to them.
Thanks a lot.
Fangliang He
hefa@ere.umontreal.ca
From: jeffy@bass.bu.edu (jeff yuan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Need detailed instructions for making rice wine
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:31:33 GMT
Reply-To: jeffy@bass.bu.edu (jeff yuan)
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Boston University

Don't forget to put the rice and yeast in a sealed container.  You'll
get vinegar, not wine, with oxygen present.

Jeff

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiaoxian@little-jimmy.unlv.edu (Xiaogiang Gong)
Subject: Latest J-1 Extension Policy Needed!
Originator: xiaoxian@little-jimmy.cs.unlv.edu
Organization: EE Dept. University of Nevada, Las Vegas 
 
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 05:12:53 GMT

Is this true? Could someone out there on the net confirm or decline it? I desperately need the confirmed informatin to make a decision.

Thank you in advance.

P.S. My email address: xiaoxian@albert.ee.unlv.edu
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Interesting Picture
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:53:37 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

ylq@lems23lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen) writes:

>title: "the fragrance of condom." 

What is the relation between condom and condo, I can't find the latter in my
dictionary, but there must be a reason for them being alike spellingly.

>maybe my perception is off the mark on this one.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi during the Cultural Revolution
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:25:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.003139.16813@mtu.edu> qye@next5 (QIAN YE) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.223651.24288@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>  
>fswmto@walleye.lerc.nasa.gov (Wai-Ming To) writes:
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>---
>That is a really horrible things. But however, there is tradition of  
>eating human's meat in some area in China. Even in some developed area.
> In 1940's, My grandfather denoted his fresh of his leg to his father when  
>his father was ill seriously. It is said that his father would be well if  
>his son denoted fresh. So i think in some undeveloped area like GuangXi,  
>people don't think that eating human's meat is so bad.
One of  the arguments for Cutural Revolution is to eradicate the superstition
among Chinese people like your grandfather and great grandfather.
I still have doubt on the original article. Event question the motivation for
exposure to major media: NYT, NPR, etc.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:34254 soc.culture.hongkong:16918 soc.culture.taiwan:16866
From: jchang@goofy.asc.slb.com (Jeff Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Guangxi massacre (Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi... )
Date: 9 Jan 1993 00:29:09 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger Austin Systems Center
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: goofy.asc.slb.com
Keywords: The CCP blood debts increased

In article <C0Jv1K.C3n@cmcl2.nyu.edu>, yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang) writes:
|> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
|> 
|> >>From 1958-1959
|> >   One million Tibetans were killed by the PLA.				 1 M
|> 
|> This cannot be true, do you know the population of Xizang (Tibet) at that time?

So, is this the only number you have in doubt among all others?

|> 
|> China-bashing will do harm to the reform happenning in China.
|> 
|> Ze Yang

So does democratic reform?

This kind of mentality is exactly why those butchers can still rule China
after killing their own people by counts of millions and is exactly what 
they wish. No wonder the west perceive Chinese as a group of people 
who won't rebel once given a bowl of rice. As long as this pathological psychology prevails among Chinese, democracy would never arrive. Sigh!

Jeff Chang



Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:34058 talk.politics.china:3584
From: math1pu@elroy.uh.edu (Luo, Youngping)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Rumor: U.S. Selling Nuke Sub to Taiwan?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 13:11 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <C0ExwL.K2G@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes...
>In article <1993Jan5.093426.2367@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> yuanj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>>There is a rumor that the U.S. is going to sell nuclear submarines (6 of them)
>>to Taiwan.  Can someone confirm this? 
> 
>It is in discussion in U.S., and they are non-nuk.
>

Hey, guys, what's it to you. Since Taiwan has no nuclear weapons, it would not
make much difference which type of sub they'll get. I personally doubt that they
could keep up with the maintainence if these were not convensional ones. Please
remember the fact that the nuclear subs are generally for stratigical purposes.
It would not make any sense if Taiwan were up to it. The major difference 
between a nuke sub and a convensional one is that the former has the ability to
can stay under water for months. With some of these subs under water around the
clock one is still able to retaliate in case all his land-based bullistic
missiles were knocked out by the enemy. Chinese Navy now has of its own four
nuclear submarines. Too bad that we are all scared of each other. But since 
each of these subs is able to wipe out up to dozens of cities and they are 
independent as they are, if anything went wrong with them, the result could be
devastating.

Doug 

SOMETIMES I THINK I LEARN MORE IF I CLOSE ALL MY BOOKS.
From: qye@next4 (QIAN YE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Did Jesus practice qi gong?
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:18:22 GMT
Organization: Michigan Technological University

In article <1993Jan4.123721.28917@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
> 
> 	I find it interesting that most Chinese I question about Jesus'
> "miracles" consider them to be a bunch of horseshit, but almost all of 
> these people believe that qi gong is very real (though there are some 
> charlatans). If you are in this group, I have a couple of questions for
> you:
> 
> 	(1) Can non-Chinese master qi gong?
> 
> 	(2) If your answer to (1) is "yes", then do non-Chinese have to  
learn
> 		qi gong from a (Chinese) master, or can one learn/discover  
it
> 		on one's own?
> 
> 	Just for the record, I don't believe in either the miracles or in
> qi gong. But I do believe in UFOs.
> 
> Mark
Somepeople are born with super-ablilities. They needn't to practise qigong  
to get their ablility. I believe that Jesus was one of them.