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From: leilabd@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: A Sub-512K Word Processor, Anyone?
Date: 3 Sep 92 10:30:03 GMT
Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK
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Cyberspace Buddha (cb@wixer.cactus.org) wrote:
: > A friend of mine has an AMSTRAD 1512 PC with no expansion boards.
: > 
: > Can anyone recommend a Word Processor that will run on the system
: > (512K) and still have enough RAM left to cope with documents up to
: > 30 pages in length?

An old version of Microsoft Word might do the trick (v3 or 4). It was
small enough then to run on twin floppy machines and it edits to disk
so isn't limited to free memory for document size. (We used to run v2
of Word on Apricots with 256KB, it was slow but not impossible.)

An old version of WordStar is another possibility. That worked for
years on machines of very modest capacity.

Try going to an auction of defunct office equipment. It's amazing what
you can pick up in the way of computers and software if you know a bit
about it.

Leila
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Email: leilabd@syma.sussex.ac.uk  (JANET: leilabd@uk.ac.sussex.syma)
From: wolff@inf.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Wolff)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: mined -- problems, problems ...
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:12:54 GMT
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany

aswx266@chpc.utexas.edu (Michael Lemke) writes:

>In article <1992Aug26.143939.23188@infko.uucp> litauer@infko.uni-koblenz.de writes:
>>-- 
>>Hello netters,
>>is there someone who successfully compiled the mined editor and runs it 
>>in an xterm. I ftp'd the most recent version from berlin, compiled it
>>and started without changing anything. The cursor keys do their work
>>but all the other usefull keys seems to send other keycodes as expected
>>by mined (F1-F12, R1-R7, R9, R13, R15, ...). Please help !!!

>xterms are sick.  You need the following junk in your .Xdefaults to make
>xterm send application keypad codes.  Real standard terminals, i.e., 
>ANSI, can be switched from normal keypad mode to application keypad 
>mode with an escape sequence.  When will we ever get a working terminal 
>emulation for X windows?  Ok, here's the nonsense:

>XTerm*c132: on
> ... etc (more nonsense)

It works in my xterm (in OpenWindows on a Sun) without these settings, 
I don't have any xterm related settings at all in .Xdefaults, so there 
is probably a simpler trick or some other problem on infko.uni-koblenz.de 
should be dealt with. It might also be related with the xmodmap settings 
and their system defaults.
I agree with Michael Lemke: all this terminal/windows stuff on unix systems is 
user-unfriendly ad nauseam, starting with terminal control from programs (see 
the lots of problems with mined on different unix systems).

Thomas Wolff@inf.fu-berlin.de
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: mark@snark.itc.gu.edu.au (Mark Hessling)
Subject: Re: X Editors
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:23:56 GMT

bvaughan@lotka.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:

>In article <1992Aug27.144953.24384@dcatlas.dot.gov> joet@dcatlas.dot.gov (Joe Trott) writes:
>>
>>I've been using KEDIT (PC version of Xedit) for years and am satisfied
>>with it.  Version 4 uses EMS to edit multiple huge files, and is a very
>>worthwhile upgrade from 3.52.  It also does interwindow copy/move, which
>>the previous version did not.
> 
>I use KEDIT on PC's and agree it's a fine editor.  (You can use it to
>emulate Xedit, but that would be like making your Sparc emulate an Apple IIc.)
>However, it's not available for any other platform but PC's and there's no
>intention of changing this.  I called the developer and asked.

>Barbara Vaughan

Another option would be to get a copy of THE (The Hessling Editor) which
I have written. It is based on Xedit/Kedit and runs on DOS, OS/2, SunOS
and can be ported to most *nix's. The source is distributed under the
GNU copyleft licence.

Version 1.0 (first public release) is available from:

 accord.dciem.dnd.ca in /pub/curses/the

It is also available on your favourite SIMTEL-20 mirror in the DOS editor
directory.

Cheers, Mark
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From: jpr@jpradley.jpr.com (Jean-Pierre Radley)
Subject: Re: How do we include a "|" in vi macros ??
Organization: Unix in NYC
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 02:41:14 GMT
Keywords: vi, macros, special characters

In article <1992Aug31.185656.12365@bnr.ca> mschee@bcarh600.bnr.ca (Michael SamChee) writes:
>Does anyone know how one can include the pipe character "|" in a vi macro?
>
>eg. map ^A :!exec cat tmp | more
>
>Nothing I've tried seems to work.


The '|' is used by ex as a command separator.

Many shells maintain the obsolete symbol for piping, the '^'.

So try
	map ^A :! do_this ^ do_that ^M

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen)
Subject: Re: VI macros!
Keywords: macros,make life easier.
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 07:21:59 GMT

D.H. Holden writes:

[... stuff deleted due to the 3dd syndrome ...]

>  I thought it might be a good idea if people posted
>  there favourite macros, anyway to start the ball
>  rolling here are mine:-

NOT if they allready is in the VI/EX file depositry.

Fetch the macros/INDEX file and take a look. If you do not find
"your" macro there, then it's appropriate to post it to the newsgroup.
If posted, it will be archived with a propper comment in the archives.
If mailed directly to the archive maintainer it will appear on the
monthly listing posted to this group.
If you mail macros, please rember to uuencode them, this also apply to
huge macros posted on the net.

A pointer is posted automaticly ONCE A WEEK telling where to get the
laitest version of the regular posted information.

[... stuff deleted due to the dG syndrome ...]

The VI/EX archives can be found at:

Europe:
   Main site:     alf.uib.no (129.177.30.3)
   Filearea:      pub/lpf/misc
   Peak hours:    07.00 am GMT to 03.00 pm GMT 

Japan:
   Mirror site:   utsun.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (133.11.11.11) 
   Filearea:      misc/vi-archive
   Peak hours:    01.00 am GMT to 09.00 am GMT

USA, Canada and Mexico: 
   Mirror site:   cs.uwp.edu (131.210.1.4)
   Filearea:      /pub/vi
   Peak hours:    None.            

Australia, NZ and the rest Down Under:
   Main site:     monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (130.194.1.106)
   Filearea:      /pub/Vi
   Peak hours:    Not relevent


For more information about the files at the archives and the archives 
itself, please read one of the FAQ for Comp.Editors.
If you are in a hurry you may fetch the INDEX file.

If you need more information, you are welcome to mail Ruben@uib.no.

\Ruben.


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     Maintaining the EX/VI-archive and a couple of the Comp.Editors FAQs.
    People that are ignorant tend to live a frustrated life, at least when 
     it comes to editing - But I do belive this is a general rule in life
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From: may@Apple.COM (Patrick May)
Newsgroups: su.vaxhax,apple.general,comp.editors
Subject: Re: vi help
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:29:17 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <71735@apple.Apple.COM> spud@apple.com (Dave "Spud" Kalin) writes:
>
>Hi there everybody!  I don't know where to post this, so hopefully someone
>will see it here and/or post it to the right place.
>
>Anyway, I need some help with vi (or another editor on the vax). I have
>managed to accumulate a 14 megabyte file (yes, 14MB) in my directory, and
>I'd like to use an editor to strip out the deadwood bytes.
>
>However, when I try to use vi, it hangs while opening the file. Is there s
>vax editor that can handle files of this size?

     I believe vi attempts to load the whole file in memory, although I'm
not certain.  That would account for the behavior you describe.  Your only
other option as far as editors go would be to use emacs.  Beware that the
commands are not terribly intuitive at first (but it kicks vi's butt :-).

     If you know what you want to remove from the file you could use
sed, awk, or C.  Let me know if you need a hand (415-852-1089).

Patrick May
From: meissner@kenmore.bu.edu (Karl Meissner)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Editing Utilities
Keywords: bibliography, spell check, grammer check
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:21:00 GMT
Reply-To: meissner@kenmore.bu.edu (Karl Meissner)
Organization: Boston University

Hello,

	I was hoping that the editing gurus in this group could
point me in the direction of the following...

* A bibilography utility.  The user would like to make a
  reference in a paper and have the bibligrahphy inserted from a library
  in the correct format.  He claims it exists....

* A grammer checker for ascii files.

* A spell checker that takes ascii files, and makes suggestions.
  Anything better than the spell command with UNIX.

Preferably they will be ftp accessable and stand alone
programs rather features of editors.   

If this is in the FAQ sheet where is the FAQ?

			Thank You

				Karl
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: litauer@infko.uni-koblenz.de
Subject: mined -- problems, problems ...
Organization: University of Koblenz, Germany
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:39:39 GMT

-- 
Hello netters,
is there someone who successfully compiled the mined editor and runs it 
in an xterm. I ftp'd the most recent version from berlin, compiled it
and started without changing anything. The cursor keys do their work
but all the other usefull keys seems to send other keycodes as expected
by mined (F1-F12, R1-R7, R9, R13, R15, ...). Please help !!!
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From: gt0449a@prism.gatech.EDU (Rob Coleman)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: 132 columns
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:38:15 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I appreciate all the responses I got about how to have Unix thinking
it's in 132 columns, but vi think it's using 80.  Everybody had the
solution of using a wrapmargin of 50+ to have it wrap words at a margin
50+ chars from the right.  I hadn't thought of this, but it's probably
the solution that I'll stick with.
Thanks!
-- 
Rob Coleman ][ gt0449a@prism.gatech.edu        ][  "I think I'm going bald!"
Comp. Sci.  ][ Georgia Institute of Technology ][        -Rush/COS
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From: weisen@daedalus.dcrt.nih.gov (Neil Weisenfeld)
Subject: Elvis tags?  How to do them?
Organization: National Inst. of Health, DCRT, CSL
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:24:48 GMT


Well, I decided to check out a VI for the '90s and built Elvis 1.6 on my 
SPARC 1 under SunOS 4.1.1.  For some reason, however, I can't get ctags to
work right.  The ctags program seemed to work o.k. and when I run it, I am
running the elvis version of ctags (I renamed it to elvctags).  In any case,
elvctags -stv *.[hc] creates a tags file that looks fine.  When I try to
find a tag (by ^]), it comes back with "Tag such-and-such not found".
Inspection shows that tag such-and-such is in the tags file, the correct
source file is listed, and the regexp is correct for finding the tag.  

Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

Also, on a related note, does anyone know if Elvis has the Tag-stack feature
of "normal" vi?  For some reason, I never find that implemented in a vi
clone, but I find it to be one of the most useful features around.  For the
uninitiated, the tag stack allow you to go to one tag, then another, then
another, etc.  After you find what you're looking for, hitting ^T repeatedly
takes you back through the tags you've just visited in reverse order until
you get back where you started.  This is really useful when trying to figure
out how something works because you can follow the path of execution into
other modules and back up from it.


--Neil

--
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From: buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen)
Subject: Re: XVI
Followup-To: poster
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 17:12:33 GMT

Pete Geremia wirtes:
>Hello,
>
>	Well in my  quest for an X editor I realized that I do like
>the way vi gives you full access to all functionality through the
>keyboard.  BUT  It would be nice to also have the capability to be
>able to point the mouse at a character and the cursor moves to
>that location.  It would also be nice to have some Emacs functionality
>ie c++ mode...  

There are at least some modes with VI:

c.template.Z       - Vi C-mode. Mitchell Wyle.
cmacros            - Small and quick C-macros. CED.
commentC.tar.Z     - Very good way to do C-comments. Rob Hutten.
cvi.Z              - C Syntax Sensitive editing. Bo Thide.
generals           - General, text, mail, C, Modula-2. Compiled by M. Lamoureux
generals.2         - EXRC and Pascal. Bradford L Knowles.
goodies.tar.Z      - Find prev word, emacs-mode, C-mode and others. M. Neitzel.
jl.ex              - Some 'beginer' macros. Joel Loo Peing Ling.
latex              - Latex mode. (Wery few, but promising) Mitchell Wyle.
latex2             - Latex mode. Oeyvind Flaam.
modula2            - Modula-2 macro package. Mitchell Wyle.
modula2.new        - Modula-2 macro package. Roland Bickel.
perl               - Perl mode. Kenneth C Rich.

The files can be found on the following places under the macro/
directory:

The VI/EX archives can be found at:

Europe:
   Main site:     alf.uib.no (129.177.30.3)
   Filearea:      pub/lpf/misc
   Peak hours:    07.00 am GMT to 03.00 pm GMT 

Japan:
   Mirror site:   utsun.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (133.11.11.11) 
   Filearea:      misc/vi-archive
   Peak hours:    01.00 am GMT to 09.00 am GMT

USA, Canada and Mexico: 
   Mirror site:   cs.uwp.edu (131.210.1.4)
   Filearea:      /pub/vi
   Peak hours:    None.            

Australia, NZ and the rest Down Under:
   Main site:     monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (130.194.1.106)
   Filearea:      /pub/Vi
   Peak hours:    Not relevent


For more information about the files at the archives and the archives 
itself, please read one of the FAQ for Comp.Editors.
If you are in a hurry you may fetch the INDEX file.

If you need more information, you are welcome to mail Ruben@uib.no.

\Ruben.


-- 
        Ove Ruben R Olsen a Gnarfer and VI user. EMAIL: ruben@uib.no. 
     Maintaining the EX/VI-archive and a couple of the Comp.Editors FAQs.
    People that are ignorant tend to live a frustrated life, at least when 
     it comes to editing - But I do belive this is a general rule in life
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: cb@wixer.cactus.org (Cyberspace Buddha)
Subject: Re: VI for the PC
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 10:50:40 GMT

>   Anybody know how to change vile to use 25 lines on a PC?  I browsed
> through the source but couldn't find any variable settings that
> affects the # of lines..  Thanks.

say what?  I'm wanting to make it work in 50 lines, but every version
I've seen only does the "standard" 25 lines.  could you send me a copy <or
point in the direction of one> of what you've found?  I am, of course
assuming <bad plan, I know> that what you have is a 50 line version.

thanks,
cb

Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: gmribeir@david.wheaton.edu (Glauber)
Subject: Elvis 1.6: 2 bugs and 1 suggestion
Reply-To: gmribeir@david.wheaton.edu
Organization: (n.) Body of persons united for a specific purpose.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:31:24 GMT


I use regularly the msdos version of Elvis 1.6, and it is
excellent. 

Anyway, i have found 2 rather annoying bugs, and i don't know if
they are only in the msdos version or in any version. 

(1) set wrapmargin doesn't work if there is a tab in the line.

(2) if you send a line that doesn't end in a newline character
(that is, the last line of your file, without ending it with
Enter) to a filter with the ! command (!}fmt) elVIs screws up and
i have to reboot. 

The suggestion (just for MSDOS): let it find the elvis.rc file in
the same directory where the program is. It's awkward to have to
set a "set home=path" variable just for elvis, and many of us
have very cluttered enveironments already.

						Glauber


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                  glauber@david.wheaton.edu 
                  glauber@vpnet.chi.il.us
From: fritz@ra.csc.ti.com (Fritz Whittington)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: VI - Line too Long - What can be done?
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:10:23 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments

In article <Bu210M.3pq@news.udel.edu> drdowns@bach.udel.edu (David R. Downs) writes:
>  I was wondering if there is a way to edit a file which gives the "Line Too
>  Long" error message.  The file in question is my .newsrc - not a Binary,
>  etc.

Sure. Just use the command:
emacs .newsrc
:-)

But seriously, even if you prefer vi and know it well, you can manage
to use some other editor for occasional other jobs.
-- 
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Since I am not an official TI spokesperson, these opinions contain no spokes.
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From: gmribeir@david.wheaton.edu (Glauber)
Subject: Compiling Elvis with BCC 2.0
Summary: Good grief
Keywords: frustration
Reply-To: gmribeir@david.wheaton.edu
Organization: (n.) Body of persons united for a specific purpose.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:46:07 GMT


Has anyboddy compiled Elvis 1.6 with Borland C 2.0 ? I tried
today, using the makefile that comes with the source
(uncommenting the correct lines, lemme say, before somebody
asks), and it compiles and links OK, but with a weird twist: The
editor doesn't get the names of the files to edit from the
command line. When you type "elvis test", for instance, you see
[New File]: @#$@%#@

or another nonsense sequence of characters where the filename
should be. I just used the options as they are in the makefile.
I'd appreciate any pointers, especially if you have compiled it
successfully with BCC, what did you do?

I tried to compile it with Power C, and it almost works, till the
compiler barfs at tinytc.c, because of "string constant too long"
(the termcap strings).

It works fine as it is compiled. I just want to change a few
things, especially make the recovery directory the same as the
temp directory (i don't want to have an empty directory just
because of Elvis), and make the default place for the primary
elvis.rc file be the directory where elvis.exe is (reading from
argv[0]), so that i dont' have to set the "home" variable just
because of elvis.

There is a weird bug that makes the :set wrapmargin option not
work if there is a tab in the line, but i don't know how to fix
this one.


						Glauber


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                  glauber@david.wheaton.edu 
                  glauber@vpnet.chi.il.us
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From: pckizer@tamsun.tamu.edu (Philip Kizer)
Subject: Re: Is there a spellchecker for VI?
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:24:49 GMT

olsonkk@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (OLSON KIRK) writes:
>Hi all... I was wondering if anyone knew if a spellchecker for VI exists
>and or is available?  Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?


Of course, Tom's solution is the best I've seen using standardly availably
utilities...but we have ispell (interactive spell) installed here that I
like to use.


My macro goes like:
map \s :w! /tmp/spl%^M:!ispell /tmp/spl%^M:%!cat /tmp/spl%^M:!rm /tmp/spl%^M^M


Still possible for name collision, etc... (i.e. far from perfect), but I
like it. I've forgotten, though, the character for a macro that says "Eat
the next pause" for the "Press Return to Continue" prompt.  I've seen it
before, and heard that it is better that just sending an extra <cr>, but
none of the manuals/docs have it, and I didn't see it in any of the macro
files on the vi archive...anyone know/remember?


-philip


_____Philip Kizer______________________________________pckizer@tamu.edu_____
	 "Singing is a trick to get people to listen to music
	  for longer than they would ordinarily."    -D.Byrne
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Subject: Re: How do we include a "|" in vi macros ??
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:52:26 GMT

mschee@bcarh600.bnr.ca (Michael SamChee)
writes on comp.editors:

)Does anyone know how one can include the pipe character "|" in a vi macro?
)
)eg. map ^A :!exec cat tmp | more

Type as is in vi (colon mode) or in your .exrc:

map ^V^A :!exec cat tmp ^V^V| more

^V,^A - Control-V and Control-A respectively.

)Nothing I've tried seems to work.
)Hmm.
)
)Thanxs,
)Michael.

Sridhar.

Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: drdowns@bach.udel.edu (David R. Downs)
Subject: VI - Line too Long - What can be done?
Followup-To: sender
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:50:45 GMT

  I was wondering if there is a way to edit a file which gives the "Line Too
  Long" error message.  The file in question is my .newsrc - not a Binary,
  etc.

  I seem to remember this question coming up before, but I don't recall seeing
  its answer.  

  Thanks for your help.

  David


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From: krisk@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Kris Klindworth)
Subject: Re: Is there a spellchecker for VI?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:49:15 GMT

olsonkk@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (OLSON KIRK) writes:


>Hi all... I was wondering if anyone knew if a spellchecker for VI exists
>and or is available?  Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?

>Thanks!

>Kirk
>-- 
>Kirk Olson

>olsonkk@ucsu.colorado.edu
>olsonkir@luther.uni.edu


If you're on a unix machine, you can pipe the lines to be
checked through unix spell.  

Ex.
:%!spell

However, this must be undone immediately or you'll lose your
original text.  An alternative way to do this is to save the file
and then run spell on it, reading the output into your current text file.

Ex.
:w!
:0r !spell %

This will put the misspelled words at the top of the file.


WHAT I DO:

I use the following key mappings in my .exrc file to approximate
the word processor behavior of
automatically moving the cursor from one misspelled word to the next. 

map S :w!:0r !spell %:1,s/^/\//1G
map F "kyy@k

Then a typical sequents is to hit S to run the spell checker, and load
the errors into the beginning of the file, hit F to load the word
into the find buffer, hit n to move on to the next occurrence of the word,
and dd when the cursor comes back to the first line of the file.  
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