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From: jjenkins@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jeffrey J Jenkins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:54:54 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Some ships in the USN are commanded by Commanders or even Lt.Commanders.  If
Starfleet were to offer Data command of a small ship, it would be perfectly
in line.  Of course, it might be in his best interest to take a lower position
on a smaller starship.  Thus, not all of the time Riker has turned down a
starship are necessarily stupid.  If Riker's Captain friend who was shown in
"Arsenal of Freedom" was giving accurate information even though he was being
symulated by the computer on the planet, then his ship was only capable of
warp 3.  Considering that Riker was, I believe, a Lt.Cmdr. immediately before
taking the position as first officer of the Enterprise, he probably made a good
choice.  In some cases, a lesser position on a larger ship can help your
career more than command of a smaller ship.  Still, after BoBW, Riker was flat
out STUPID to turn down command of his own ship when they probably would have
given him ANY ship in the ENTIRE fleet!

>>Jeff<<

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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Re: Chain of Command in Champaign-Urbana (no spoilers)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:22:51 GMT

brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
:)In article <ternent.18@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu> ternent@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu (John Ternent) writes:
:)<Good old Fox 55/27 WRSP/WCCU (Springfield/Urbana) strikes again.  All last 
:)<evening they showed the promos for Relics.  Then, when "Willow" was over (at 
:)<9:30), the voice-over was talking about the 75-year-old wreck and the person 
:)<trapped in the transporter beam... "Coming up next, on Star Trek: The Next 
:)<Generation." I _almost_ left to run some errands, but by the time I was 
:)<ready to leave, they showed the intro to the show... and it was "Chain of 
:)<Command!"  Way to go, Fox! Possible explanations? Maybe "Chain" surprised 
:)<them or something.. "Hey! Where did _this_ show come from?"

:)Some of the blame for not knowing has to also be placed on your shoulders.
:)Why, because ever since the 5th, the net has had plenty of postings indicating
:)that something was up.  I verified the schedule change on the 7th and posted
:)the new schedule then.  Ever since then, there have been plenty of messages
:)regarding this change posted right here.

Additionally, the local group, uiuc.trek, who's sole purpose is to list
broadcast times for the unreliable WRSP/WCCU, had a posting specifically
about this.

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Subject: David Warner on "Chain of Command" 
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 15:43:41 PST
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

A few lines just in case....
Some spoilers for Chain of Command I follow...































So did anyone notices that one of the great villian actors plays Gul Madred,
the Cardassian who will most likely be torturing our dear captain?  Yes
David Warner.  A wonderful actor who has done some fantastic villian parts, much
in the same toungue-in-cheek vein as Alan Rickman.  He was Jack the Ripper
in "Time After Time", and also Councilor Gorkon in ST:VI TUC.  He was also
the human representive on "the planet of galactic peace" in ST:V.  It is
going to be very interesting seeing David Warner and Patrick Stewart "face
off" in Chain of Command II.  I for one am looking foreward to it.





























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From: rupley@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Rupley)
Subject: Spoilers for Chain of Command, Part I
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 04:57:41 GMT

  Having just seen the current new TNG episode, CoC part I, I have a few
spoiler comments and questions about it :



  Short synopsis :
 
    Feds learn of new Cardassian weapon and are sending Picard, Worf, and
Dr. Crusher to investigate and destroy it. A new Captain takes over the
Ent., whom pretty much everyone dislikes. This new Captain conducts
diplomacy with the Cardassians in a very rough and offensive matter (saying
that this is the way the Cardassians like their diplomacy). Meanwhile,
Picard and his commandoe team find out that the big weapon is just a trap. 
Picard is captured, but Worf and Bev. escape. It ends with Picard being
threatened with torture. 
  
  OK, so why would StarFleet send Picard, the Captain of their flagship,
on a commandoe raid into Cardassian territory? I dont buy that he was
the only expert around, give me a break. He should be too important for
a mission like that with that much riskiness.

  OK, going with the fact that SF command wanted to send Picard, it was
reasonable that they wouldnt want to put Riker (who, while not untested at 
Captain, certainly doesnt have much seniority) on the bridge of their flagship.
But what were they thinking about this guy? Just because he has to negotiate
doesnt mean he has to become captain. And his screwed up style of command?
I would think that Geordi would have his shields optimized by now, give me
a break. And to try to change duty shifts just before going into what
might be a war zone is just not bright. 

  Well, I could say more (like that horrible scene between Bev and the Ferengi,
or why was Bev on the raid, or shouldnt someone have been bumped to Commodore
since there were 2 captains on the ship or ... well, you get the idea ...)

  Dont get me wrong, I liked the episode - I would much rather watch a Fed.
willing to launch commandoe raids than hear more sermons about the
Prime Directive, but it seemed to me there were a number of holes in their
logic here. I give it 8/10.

-rupley
From: mike@nttor.uucp (Mike Hollander)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:17:17 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom CAC

In article <1992Dec09.194352.14441@uumeme.chi.il.us> rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (Robert W. Mech) writes:
>
>A female running the E ?  Come on, Im all for women in starfleet, but I 
>could just hear the flames from the Ferengi about this one.  I think that 
>a female Enterprise captain would work, but not in the serries the way
>it has been.  Its been to much of a male role.  Just my opinion.
>

I think it's time for a female captain of the Enterprise. Picard
has paved the way by bringing the captain's role much closer to
a diplomatic one than the role that Kirk played. In this manner,
the role is neither a "male" role nor a "female" role - it could
be played by anyone.

Star Trek has always tried to be at least a little on the cutting
edge of morality and social issues. This would be an ideal
oppartunity to show a female in a powerful lead role. It would
provide a chance for Star Trek to prove to impressionable young
viewers (and the occasional impressionable old fogey) that
women are SUPPOSED to be up there leading the way together
with men. This change is desperately needed now! Let's lobby
for it!

Mike Hollander | mike@nttor.UUCP
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From: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Subject: Re: Startrek VII - Takei's comments
Reply-To: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 19:50:12 GMT

In article <BzAzx2.E1J@world.std.com> buc@world.std.com (Quantum Buc) writes:
> As I reported in a Con report a few weeks back, I saw Mr. Takei at the
> Atlantic City Megacon, and in his talk, he went on incessantly that he felt
> that STVII should include a good deal about Captain Sulu and the Excelsior.

I agree that it's an unlikely prospect, and I wasn't a big Sulu fan until you  
mentioned it...now that you mention it, I think focusing _more_ on Sulu would  
be great--Takei's character is really charismatic when they cut him loose,  
and I think VII could be fun (!) with swashbucklin' Sulu at the helm.  Any  
way you slice it though, the next movie really has to advance the story  
historically as opposed to just another romp for aging Kirk/Spock/Bones.   
Anyone who watched a lot of M.A.S.H. will remember that the series' downfall  
was that they focused too much on several characters and got way too serious  
in later seasons.
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From: mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen)
Subject: Re: Riker's actions in Rascals
Keywords: spoiler (minor), why
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:26:33 GMT

zakons@halcyon.com (Scott Allan Zakon) writes:

>Since there may be a few who missed Rascals the first time through, I'll
>slap up ye olde big pile o' blank lines:

I don't think it's necessary, but ok...


>In that episode, either Geordi or Data commented that the controls are
>able to recognise who was pressing the buttons.  The kid couldn't have
>been responsible because the computer wouldn't have accepted a command
>punched in by him.  So why would the Enterprise's computers recognise a

Sorry, you got it all wrong.  Geordi didn't say the computer
recognizes who is using the controls, but that the way the controls
are designed, it wouldn't be possible for someone to accidentally hit
a few that would cause destruction of the ship.

Mike
--
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Tau Epsilon Phi - George Washington University		 can be a bitch."
mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu					  -Quantum Leap
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From: Jim_Brownfield@radical.com (Jim Brownfield)
Subject: Re: Startrek VII - Takei's comments
Reply-To: Jim_Brownfield@Radical.Com
Organization: Radical System Solutions, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:21:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.202028.23651@ncar.ucar.edu> vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu  
(Vicki Holzhauer) writes:
> In article <BzAzx2.E1J@world.std.com> buc@world.std.com (Quantum Buc) writes:
> >helene@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Helene Blankespoor) writes:
> >> Last week, George Takei was interview on British TV and apperently said 
> >> about the next film, Startrek VII, that if it was going to be made it  
would
> >> be centred around Captain Sulu and the Excelsior.
> >As I reported in a Con report a few weeks back, I saw Mr. Takei at the
> >Atlantic City Megacon, and in his talk, he went on incessantly that he felt
> >that STVII should include a good deal about Captain Sulu and the Excelsior.
> 
> 
> Agreed.  I saw Takei in Denver last March.  He talked a lot about how
> he thought the next movie should feature Captain Sulu and asked us
> over and over to write to Paramount about it.  Apparently, he does
> this everywhere he appears.  I loved Captain Sulu in STVI:TUC, but I
> would rather see him in conjunction with the others, if at all, so I
> declined to write.  I thought Michael Dorn was the *much* better guest
> at that Con ...
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Vicki Holzhauer, National Center for Atmospheric Research
> Boulder, Colorado / / / /  vicki@ncar.ucar.edu

I was at the Denver Con. as well.  Takei talked about wanting to have an Ensign  
Picard on the ship.  Quite a stretch.  However, since Shatner has been pushing  
hard for a STVII, I doubt that it would be centered around Captain Sulu.

Of course, maybe Kirk pisses Starfleet off and is busted (again) to Commander  
and placed under Sulu for some *real* training.  Sulu takes Kirk under his  
wings and teaches him how to "boogie-board" a starship on exploding Klingon  
planet waves.  However, the great grandfather of William Riker is also  
practicing in the waves for the "Annual Starfleet Klingon Boogie Fest" and cuts  
off Kirk, causing him to embarrassingly flip the Excelsior.

Well, this really pisses Kirk off because now, all the other Commanders are  
taunting him and calling him a "former Admiral -- former Captain sissy."  But  
Sulu teaches Kirk restraint -- how to negotiate instead of fight -- how to hold  
meetings with the crew in times of crisis -- how to survive by giving in.   
Reflecting on these lessons in the recreation area, Kirk meets a buxom young  
blond; Ensign Nicole Picard.  These being the days before the invention of  
synthohol (or the Ferengi for that matter), well, let's just say... "That devil  
Kirk!"

The next day, Kirk saves the Earth again, is promoted back to Captain and given  
another ship.  The rest, as they say, is future...


Or has this already been done?
Oh, and of course... :-)

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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:15:27 GMT

In article <78344@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge A. Diaz) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.174847.26665@u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
>>	Wanna bet?
>Sure.
>>	Ever hear of rising above your material?
>>	Try WE SHALL ALWAYS HAVE PARIS, etc.

>As for WAHP, I guess I'll have to go back and watch it.  I saw that episode
>once, about 1 1/2 years ago, and I found it, uh, uninspired.

	Which is the point. Script-wise, it was utter crap. Yet Stewart,
in his scenes with Phillips, made his lines at least seem plausible while
mouthing some of the most syrupy dialogue that ever made it on the air. The
contrast between him and Phillips is a textbook example of rising above
your material.

	Other examples?  Say, ARSENAL OF FREEDOM (Bev/Picard scenes), most
of ALLEGIANCE, etc.

-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
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From: linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley)
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, UCLA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:54:13 GMT

In a previous article jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) spake...
>
>Then why can't she ask questions centered around what she knows via  
>reading her patients?  And if she can do that, or in fact does do that,  
>how does that conclude in that she shouldn't wear a starfleet uniform?

I don't know about you, but I would feel more comfortable talking with a
counselor who's on my level rather than with a uniform that reminds me of
my lesser rank.

>However, this is getting away from the theme of this thread: Troi's  
>uniform and it's place in her job.  To which I'd like to add that I  
>still think it's a bad idea for her not to be in uniform because I  
>don't think that the counselor's sexuality is in any way something  
>worth promoting in counsel.

20th century views applied to a 24th century people. People may be less
uptight in the 24th C than we are now.

>
>Also, were she to be counseling a patient who has problems with their  
>sex life, that could be a very bad situation should she continue to  
>dress provocatively.  Simply put, it's not her job to titillate the  
>patients.
>

Mr. Barkley could attest to this. Perhaps the counselor could dress
appropriately to problem she is counseling.

>Lastly, I believe it speaks badly for her character.  By wearing her  
>non-uniform attire, I get the feeling the producers (or whomever is  
>responsible for her wearing what she usually does) are saying that the  
>only way someone can communicate with her professionally is if she is  
>not dressed as every other woman on the ship is, or if she is not fully  
>dressed.

Bullpucky. I give you Dr. Crusher.

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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Why all the repeats? Is TNG getting Cancelled?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:40:16 GMT

In article <1ggoe2INN6ig@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright) writes:
>
>
>Header says it all: are they throwing TNG away, finally? And replacing
>it with DS9?

   Not at all.  In fact, rumors are saying that there may be an EIGHTH season.
The middle-of-season repeats are totally normal.  Only the past three seasons
have had five or six repeats in the middle of the season.  This is to give the
people who make the show some time off around Thanksgiving and Christmas.
I don't mind, either, because it means less time between the end-of-season
cliffhangers and the start of the next season.

   BTW, why is it that we can count on messages like this every year?  Last
year several people also thought the mid-season repeats signalled the end of
the season.

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From: irwin@iago.caltech.edu (Horowitz, Irwin Kenneth)
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Subject: Re: New Paramount boss cans ST VII?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 11:05 PDT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <BzFyFM.8D9@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes...
>In article <1grd3fINNn9c@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley) writes...
> 
>>STAR TREK VII may be a casualty of the change of command at
>>Paramount; Dixie Owen's news column in the ST fanzine STARLINK
>>reports that Sherry Lansing, the new Paramount movie head 
>>replacing Brandon Tartikoff, has her own projects in mind and
>>they don't include another TREK film.
> 
>     How could they?  The projects Lansing brings with her to
>     Paramount are independant ones.  Her new position requires
>     her to review all developing future productions and reevaluate
>     their viability.  However, since Paramount's success shot up
>     under Brandon Tartikoff, the current slate of production 
>
I'm not sure what you've been hearing, Scott, but according to what I hear,
Paramount has not been very successful in its movie division for a couple of
years now.  Back in the mid-80s, Paramount was the #1 studio, but now it
falls behind Disney/Touchstone, Warner Bros. and Fox.  Of course, this means
that they'd be more likely to push a cash-cow like Trek, with its guaranteed
audience.
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Date: 18 Dec 92 04:24:22 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <92351.200547IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Nicholas C. Hester <IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>This group is being cluttered period.  That includes this posting.
>Unfortunately, this is where the discussion is.  Perhaps a moderator...?

Who would be crazy enough to moderate r.a.s.c? :-)

Besides, people who didn't get posted would just go elsewhere
(rec.arts.sf-lovers, or an alt group, even), and then the discussion would
disappear from here.

-- 
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University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Coming soon to a Massachusetts near you! )

The Trekkie who doesn't own a VCR.
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From: pealbers@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul E. Albers)
Subject: Re: 'Batman" meets 'Trek'
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:26:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.033657.1915@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> wchen@beirut.berkeley.edu (William Chen) writes:
>In article <1fsdp9INNlcp@bigboote.WPI.EDU> firenza@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy Mark Collins) writes:
>>In article <Byttoy.1IA@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip D. Russell) writes:
>>>In article <ByrAsG.F0L@news.iastate.edu> techy@iastate.edu (Troy A. Rutter) writes:
>>>>I was watching Batman the Animated Series today... and
>>>>to my surprise.. one of the characters knew the Klingon proverb that
>>>>Revenge is a dish best served cold.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Actually it is Shakespeare.
>>
>
>
>In it's original Klingon of course :-)
>
>William
>
>
>

Actualy, last night I noticed that Diane Muldaur (sp?) did one of the
voices on Batman:The Animated Series.

Paul
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: A Good Captain
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:22:42 GMT

YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:

>>>   >  Personally, though, I would prefer to see the new captain of
>>>   >the Enterprise to be non-human.  I can't think of any instances
>>>   >where Starfleet captains haven't been human (mostly male, and
>>>   >always with American accents! :-)  )
>>
>>>Remember the episode where Starfleet was infiltrated by the alien
>>>parasites.  One of the captains of the three ships that met with Picard
>>>secretly was non-human.
>>
>>Another in that episode was a black female.
>>Then there was the USS Intrepid in Classic Star Trek, which had an all-Vulcan
>>crew, including (one presumes) a Vulcan captain.
>>Spock was captain of the Enterprise at the start of Star Trek II.
>>The captain of the Enterprise 1701-C in "Yesterday's Enterprise" was female.
>>The captain of the Saratoga in Star Trek IV was female (and black, if I recall
>>correctly).
>>
>   So females and blacks are non-human?  :)
>   Let's omit the admirals since my memory is that there were more "minority"
>admirals than white male admirals in the films and TNG (TOS was '60s, so let's
>give them a break.)
>   Adding to the list of "minority" captains:
>   Terrell in Trek II was black;
>   An Indian captain in Trek IV;
>   Wasn't the captain of USS Yamata in "Contagion" black?
>    ...and  WHY THE HELL HASN'T ANYBODY BROUGHT THIS ONE UP?  Sulu!!!!
>   Also, FYI, in Trek I, the C-in-C of Starfleet (not seen but mentionned)
>was Nogura, most likely a Japanese;
>   In Trek III, Adm. Morrow (who I believe was C-in-C, re: "Jim, you're the
>best officer I got!) was black;
>   In Trek V, the C-in-C was (probably) Jewish, since he was played by Harve
>Bennett.

	I remeber reaging once (can't remember if it was canon or not) that Humans
were by far the largest number of cadets in StarFleet, and members in 
StarFleet in general. So, it would then follow that the largest number of
Captains and leader positions would be held by Humans.

				CtB

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