From: mbarry@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshall Barry)
Subject: Re: Update on "ONE" and "IBECC"
Summary: Call both of them and find out for yourself!
Organization: IBECC - A Non-Profit Educational/Scientific Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 01:02:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.215646.119478@zeus.calpoly.edu> cambler@zeus.calpoly.edu (The Squire, Phish) writes:
>You will excuse flame mode for a moment, but what bug crawled up YOUR
>ass and rotted?
 
					***** 
Uh... Hi, Chris...
	How goes the battle?
	
>Could this be ANY MORE BIASED that it already is?!
 
	Well... From *MY* perspective, yes, it could be more Biased.
	(large grin)
 
>mrogers@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Rogers) recently informed us:
>> 
>>I must admit I've snooped around and not been exactly 100 percent
>>honest when I called both the "ONE" group and the "IBECC" group.
>
>Good start.
 
	*** a whole bunch of stuff deleted
 

>You call a conference HQ, you get conference info. You did NOT call a
>tech support line. Again, I can't BELIEVE your ignorance. And taking that
>ignorance and making it into a slam of ONE is not only ignorant, but
>recklessly slanderous!
	
	Probably true. 
	Still, it might have been better to have had someone say
	"I'm sorry, this is conference information and we don't have
	the facilities to help", but, heck - to each his or her own.
 
>
>ONE and IBECC are both reputable organizations, putting on essentially
>the same type of show, but with different targets. Can't you leave it
>at that and make your choice? Must you resort to deceit to try and find
>'facts' that slam one?
	
>I attended and spoke at IBECC 91, and have nothing but praise for the
>organizers. I enjoyed the conference quite a bit. This year, ONE asked
>my organization if I could speak there, and they confirmed. I've watched
>the show prepare, and I've spoken directly to Jack Rickard during the
>process, and I can PERSONALLY assure you that there's no 'snow job'
>going on here. I even received a note from IBECC asking me if I might
>drop by for a while. Professionalism on BOTH SIDES.
	
	Speaking of speaking, **ARE** you showing up?  Let me know so
	I can have a membership for you, if so.
	
	You are, as mentioned above, perfectly welcome.
 
>What we have here is competition. Plain and simple. And there are those with
>loyalties that make me question their motives. Mr. Rogers, you fall into
>this catagory, I believe. Your article was biased, and used degrading
>logic and phrasology against ONE. If you're trying to present facts, as you
>say, you failed miserably. Witness below:
>
>>"ONE" now has a modest _limit_ of 1000 people, is holding their
>>convention at the Stouffer (a far cry from the Denver Tech Center),
>>and - in their last local ad - claims to be a "TRADE SHOW" (again)
>>for the "SYSOPS". According to their schedule in the July Boardwatch
>>magazine, it's a TBBS and Wildcat show, with a couple of sessions
>>thrown in for those of use who don't run either and who aren't
>>particularly interested in "Running a BBS for Profit"!
>
>The above paragraph is SLANTED, BIASED, and, in reference to the last 
>sentence, FALSE. Tim Pozar, myself, and others are working on a track
>to speak about the Internet. This is a MAJOR part of the conference, and
>has nothing to do with Wildcat and TBBS.
	
	Well, Chris, Mr. Rogers, *IS* right in the respect that the last
	local (note that, local) "ads" for "ONE" specifically state that
	it *IS* a trade show and *IS* for "sysops". 
	And, sigh, the Stouffer is a long way from DTC - it's at the airport...
	
	As for being a MAJOR part of the conference, there are EIGHT sessions
	scheduled on Internet (in some form or another) - at least from what
	has been published.  To be fair, this includes four general
	internet style sessions and four business-oriented style sessions
	(including yours on FSUUCP). 
	
	Between JUST TBBS and WildCat, there are at least 23 specific 
	sessions for them alone.
	Add in another at least 15 sessions on "How to make money with
	a BBS" and one CAN see how Mr. Rogers could make his interpretation.
	Then there are NINE more "corporate" sessions...
	
	BUT, it is a bit slanted.
 
>>business fascism! The people at "ONE" are saying that "ONE" is the
>>"national" organization and "IBECC" is the "local" organization and
>>that they're working together. NOT!

>Where did you see this? Source, please.

	
	Hey, I'd like to know who is saying that as well.

>>Or, be cowards and choose neither. This is a vote just as important
>>to bbsing as is choosing a president in November - and at least in
>>this one we have a real choice!

>The rally cry of the idiot. Mr. Rogers, why don't YOU get a clue.

>To the readers:
>
>If you have questions about this all, and want FACTS, then call both
>and find out for YOURSELF. Like I said, both organizations are run by
>respected professional people. Mr. Rogers took the information he
>received and ran it through his own personal bias. Please don't blindly
>belive him, but find out for yourself.
>
	
	Much as *I* like being "on the top" in an article, I will say the
	same thing here...
	Call us (IBECC) and call ONE and investigate for yourself.
	
	There is a great deal of "fact" in Mr. Rogers' article, but some
	of it is MORE than slightly colored by opinion.
	
	The IBECC phone number is (303) 426-1847 and we're available pretty
	much from 9AM to about 8 or 9 PM most days.
 
	** And CHRIS --- CALM DOWN! **
 
// Mb //  (now where are those photon torpedos?)
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