HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: esquire@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer)
Subject: Re: r.s.bb.c stuff...
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:21:55 GMT

In article <C18CFF.Jst@athena.cs.uga.edu> peiper@athena.cs.uga.edu (Garfield) writes:
>>
>>Some people have already posted a willingness to post updates for their
>>respective schools.  I will be doing a Florida update as well as continuing
>>the SEC Update.
>	Excellent.. I woul love to see what you Southernors have to say
>about us Norhtern Schools.
>
>>There are a couple of things I'd like to propose to the group.
>>1) A list of 'contacts' for each school.  This list will have names of people
>>who will be posting updates, or just a person who will be willing to answer
>>questions about a certain school or player.
>	
>	I would be willing to post scores, and answer questions about
>Georgia Baseball. Tell me what you want me to post and I will be sure I 
>get it up shortly after (read before the end of the season) the game is
>concluded.
>
>>2) A possible rec.sport.baseball.college Top 20/25 Poll.
>	
>	I would love to vote in this if you need voters.
>
>

 NOrhterners??? I go to Purdue up in northern Indiana or central..somewhere
around there..that is north enough to me to qualify..
I would be willing to answer questions about a specific player from Purdue and
post scores, highlights and the like......

I would also be willing to vote as well.


Scott C. Kramer
contact from Purdue U for sure and mayube the Big 10 conference..
From: wabarr@acpub.duke.edu (Will Barr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Polls
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:55:44 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Does anyone know how Baseball America comes up with their polls?  Is it the writers at B.A. or elsewhere?  

Have any of the other polls been published?  Seeing that the regular season begins in a week and a half they better get a move on.

Also, would whoever has volunteered to post the polls as they are made available please also post the "others" category if they are available.

Thanks in advance.

		wabarr@acpub.duke.edu
From: peiper@athena.cs.uga.edu (Garfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: r.s.bb.c stuff...
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:54:00 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

>
> NOrhterners??? I go to Purdue up in northern Indiana or central..somewhere
>around there..that is north enough to me to qualify..
>I would be willing to answer questions about a specific player from Purdue and
>post scores, highlights and the like......
	
	The comment about northernors vs southern schools was meant as a prod
at the Florida guy,as I go to school at Georgia. Gerogia being north of Florida
is frequently referred to as rednecks, or southernors, etc. But they by
contrast (sp) are Floridians, NOT southernors.... Get it, good
			
			Richard
			The PROUD Southern Bulldawg

>
>I would also be willing to vote as well.
>
>
>Scott C. Kramer
>contact from Purdue U for sure and mayube the Big 10 conference..
>
>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
From: wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: Here are the polls!
Reply-To:  wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:21:34 GMT

Baseball America Poll

1.  Louisiana State
2.  Arizona
3.  Southern Cal
4.  Miami
5.  Oklahoma State
6.  Georgia Tech
7.  Mississippi State
8.  Cal St. Fullerton
9.  Wichita State
10. Texas A&M
11. Texas
12. Stanford
13. Arizona State
14. Pepperdine
15. Notre Dame
16. N.C. State
17. UCLA
18. Minnesota
19. Clemson
20. Fresno State
21. Tulane
22. Florida
23. Creighton
24. Tennessee
25. Illinois

Here is the Collegiate Baseball Poll Top Ten (all I have)

1.  Louisiana State
2.  Miama
3.  Texas
4.  Mississippi State
5.  Oklahoma State
6.  Arizona
7.  Wichita State
8.  Cal St. Fullerton
9.  Pepperdine
10. Florida State

Bill
From: rollins_r@mims.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: Polls
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:37:07 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

>Have any of the other polls been published?  Seeing that the regular season
>begins in a week and a half they better get a move on. 
>Also, would whoever has volunteered to post the polls as they are made
>available please also post the "others" category if they are available.

>Thanks in advance.
> 
>		wabarr@acpub.duke.edu

 I also wondered if anyone has seen the Collegiate Baseball poll and if that
 could be posted here.

 Thanks.

 Rick Rollins
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From: peiper@athena.cs.uga.edu (Garfield)
Subject: Re: r.s.bb.c stuff...
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:38:02 GMT

>
>Some people have already posted a willingness to post updates for their
>respective schools.  I will be doing a Florida update as well as continuing
>the SEC Update.
	Excellent.. I woul love to see what you Southernors have to say
about us Norhtern Schools.

>There are a couple of things I'd like to propose to the group.
>1) A list of 'contacts' for each school.  This list will have names of people
>who will be posting updates, or just a person who will be willing to answer
>questions about a certain school or player.
	
	I would be willing to post scores, and answer questions about
Georgia Baseball. Tell me what you want me to post and I will be sure I 
get it up shortly after (read before the end of the season) the game is
concluded.

>2) A possible rec.sport.baseball.college Top 20/25 Poll.
	
	I would love to vote in this if you need voters.


Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
From: geddy@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Schaefer)
Subject: Re: Collegiate Contacts List (1/26/92)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 16:41:06 GMT

In article <38389@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> ACKER@oak.circa.ufl.edu writes:
>
>Pac-10:
>  -- Stanford Cardinal: Scott Schaefer geddy@leland.stanford.edu
>  -- Arizona Wildcats: Stephen Matheson (sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu)
>

Hello?!?  Hello?  

Cal?  UCLA?  USC?  ASU?  Anybody out there?  

Does anyone know if these universities have computers yet?  How come we only
have 2 Six-Pac contacts?  

If there are any Bears, Bruins, Trojans, or Sun Devils out there, let's hear
from you...

Scott
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.college
Subject: Re: Collegiate Contacts List (1/26/92)
Keywords: tiguzz
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:54:46 GMT
Organization: .

(Scott Schaefer) writes:
>>
>>Pac-10:
>>  -- Stanford Cardinal: Scott Schaefer geddy@leland.stanford.edu
>>  -- Arizona Wildcats: Stephen Matheson (sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu)
>>
>
>Hello?!?  Hello?  
>
>Cal?  UCLA?  USC?  ASU?  Anybody out there?  
>
>Does anyone know if these universities have computers yet?  How come we only
>have 2 Six-Pac contacts?  

Let me also send out an official PLEA for LSU baseball coverage by
anyone in LA or MS.  If there's no Bengal Backer out there with access
to box scores,recruiting,stats,etc., perhaps a Tulane or USL netter 
could handle duties for two or three LA teams.

And just to show that I don't want something for nothing, I'd be willing
to help out with SWC info for all you transplanted Texans.

--J.J.

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From: stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu (Stephen Jascourt)
Subject: Re: Tom Tippett and Defensive Average
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Meteorology and Space Science
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 00:12:52 GMT

Gary Huckabay writes:
> When I talked to Tom and others at PtP, I was told they just use range
> factor for defensive ratings.  Also, I wasn't aware the '92 PtP player
> disk was out.  Any word on 5.0?

Range factor. That explains some of the horrendous ratings of the past
few years. The '92 PTP disk came out near the end of 1992. I haven't heard
much on 5.0.

> Also for the PtP 5.0 wish list - send me things you'd like to see added
> or removed from PtP 4.03 before the next release, and I'll be happy to pass
> that information along to Mr. Tippett.

I haven't bought the upgrade to version 4 yet, but talking with those who
have, the computer manager has a number of problems with its algorithms, the
two worst being 1) even when relief usage is set to most frequent, it will
leave the starting pitcher in to get shelled if the shelling happens before
too many batters are faced (i.e. in early innings or, if starter was cruising
at near minimum number of batters into late innings, it'll leave him in to
until 6 or 7 runs have scored), and 2) it will pinch hit platoon for 
the everyday players you wouldn't PH for in real life. The options available
aren't adequate either, because for instance you can choose frequency of hit
and run but not *which batters* you do or don't want to hit and run with and
against which pitchers. 

And the game itself (all versions) has a randomization problem-- it has long
strings of consecutive outs and consecutive hits&walks, far more than would
be expected by chance, and passed balls almost always occur in the same
half-inning as a wild pitch (i.e. if there is a PB, there will also be or 
already was a WP, but as PB are uncommon, the inverse is not true). 

> LIKE DEFENSE BEING VALUED LESS!

> hard grounder between first and second
> Baerga dives
> he gloves it
> he gets up
> and throws to first for the out.

> I get tired of seeing that 8-10 times per game.

And too many of the fly balls are "deep".

Stephen Jascourt   stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu
From: hobbs@cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Gerald R Hobbs)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Replacement value vs average
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:10:11 GMT
Organization: Concurrent Engineering Research Center


>>replacement value. Now when you start talking about career value is does
>>make a difference. A guy who plays beyond the point where his skills are
>>average has negative "points" added to his career totals using the
>>average value metric and positive points added to his career totals 
>>using the replacement value metric (except Pete Rose who played even
>>beyond the point of being at replacement value). Lots of great players
>>play a couple years beyond the point where they are even average. Some
>>like Joe D and Koufax don't. In career value assessments it can make
>>a pretty big difference whether you use replacement or average value
>>adjusted numbers.
>>     Gerry
>>
>>
> 
> But Gerry, the _relative_ difference is the important point.  Whether you
> use replacement level or average level does not matter when comparing 
> players.  If I understood a previous Valentine post, he says replacement
> level would have a winning percentage of .425.  In other words, placement
> of the baseline is arbitrary (please correct my interpretations if they are
> wrong) and there is nothing to say it can't be .425, .500 or even .600.
> The relative differences remain the same...
> 
> paul
> 
I'm not sure we're on the same page. I agree that within certain
contexts (such as the one you pose) the baseline is arbitrary. I'm
suggesting that in other contexts they can be important. The baseline
gets really critical when we assign a seasonal value to players then
add up the seasonal values to get a career value (as is done - often).
To illustrate: Let's say average seasonal value is +10 (vs replacement)
and we have two players cleverly named A and B whose seasonal values 
are given below 
Name 85  86  87  88  89  total
A   +10 +16 +16  +11 +7  +60
B   +10 +16 +18  + 8     +52  
Now, if we do the same thing using "average" as your zero (subtract 10 
from each seasonal value above) you get
A    0   +6 +6   +1  -3  +10
B    0   +6 +8   -2      +12
You see, it does matter here. For career comparisons I favor using
the replacement level as a baseline. For within season comparisons
I don't much care though, as Dave Tate has pointed out, using
average as the baseline translates into 81-81 and gives us an easily
interpretable frame of reference.
       Gerry
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: All-Stars - Games of April 3 (ATAS)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:24:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


     April 3 - Other National League openers
     San Francisco at Brookangeles:  The two contenders were quite
eager to do battle - their first and last games of the season would be here.
As expected, Christy Mathewson and Sandy Koufax dazzled batters.  Not used
to a "fadeaway" such as Matty threw, Dodger batters flailed weakly all day,
though a two-base error by McCovey in left plated one.  Koufax, meanwhile,
allowed WIllie Mays and Biz Mackey to collect three hits apiece in a 4-1
win.  "We've got the bats," John McGraw remarked later, "but we already
knew that.  If they all pitch like Matty, we've got a pennant."
     San Diego at Houston:  13 Ks for Nolan Ryan and five steals in eight
tries for Houston (three for three by Spots Poles) added up to a 5-2 Astro
win.  Dave Smith entered in the ninth after Dave Winfield launched a ball
that landed on the walkway just below the roof.
     After the game, questions continued to surface about Spots' name.  Padre
manager Jack McKeon provided one explanation.  "He always knows the right
spots in which to steal," he explained.
     Chicago at Boswaukta:  James Bell stole two bases, and Warren Spahn
lost a chance to win an opening day start when his bullpen allowed five runs
in one and a third innings; final score - 7-3, Cubs.  Lee Smith saved it.
     Pittsburgh at Philadelphia:  Grover Alexander was no match for the
superior Pirate lineup, succumbing 4-1.  Christobel Torriente collected
three hits and singled Mike Schmidt home for the lone r.b.i.  "I always hit
Rube and Satch well," the rightfielder remarked.
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Other A.L. openers:  Ford's Theater - New York:
     Seeing as this rapidly developed into Ford's theater, it's a good thing Abe
Lincoln didn't throw out the first ball here.  Yankee Stadium hosted 81,000
screaming fans, as Ford outdueled Walter Johnson 3-0.  The preponderance
of lefties on the Yankees proved to be the key.
     Catfish Sinks Mariners!:
     Not a maritime horror film, but a Seattle horror show; Catfish Hunter
breezed along chasing a three-hitter, loaded the bases with none out in the
seventh, and retired everybody with only one run scoring (on Rocky
Colavito's sacrifice fly).  The Athletics pounded out 14 hits in a 7-1
triumph, with Jimmie Foxx gathering three of them.  He caught today,
believe it or not!  Yes, he was a catcher in the minors, and played there a
little in the big leagues.  The Mariners have a total of 5 hits in 2 games.
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu  : Me, age 4 & now: "Mommys and Daddys & other
    Ever wonder if, after Casey : relatives have to give lots of hugs & love
missed the 3rd strike in the poem: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great
he ran to first and made it?     : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"
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From: marwood@csri.toronto.edu (Simon J. Marwood)
Subject: 1993 MLB WS odds
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:24:31 GMT



The following odds chart appeared today in the Toronto Star, and represents
the odds listed by the Flamingo Hotel sports book in Laughlin, Nev. The
odds represent the odds to win the 1993 WS:

Team		Odds
----		----

Atlanta		3:1
Toronto		4:1
Montreal	8:1		[alright!]
Chisox		8:1
Cincinnati	8:1
Milwaukee	10:1
Baltimore	10:1
Oakland		10:1
San Diego	12:1
NY Mets		12:1
Minnesota	15:1
Los Angeles	15:1
St. Louis	18:1
Chicubs		18:1
NY Yankees	18:1
Houston		20:1
Pittsburgh	25:1
Texas		30:1
Kansas City	30:1
San Francisco	35:1
Cleveland	35:1
Philadelphia	35:1
Boston		40:1
Seattle		50:1
California	60:1
Detroit		75:1
Florida		300:1
Colorado	300:1

Now a few of these are clearly ridiculous (ie LA!!), but fun nonetheless.

Simon

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From: sullis@rs6311.ecs.rpi.edu (Sean C. Sullivan)
Subject: Re: White Sox schedule online?
Keywords: white sox
Organization: Rotisserie Polytechnic Institute (Troy, NY, USA)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:55:04 GMT

In article <exby.728154935@spot.Colorado.EDU> exby@spot.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby) writes:
>
>Does anyone have a copy of the 1993 White Sox schedule 
>online anywhere?  any text format would be fine I guess.
>thanks
>
  Try this:

       telnet culine.colorado.edu 862 (128.138.129.83 862)
       Once connected, enter "help" for further instructions.

  I'm not sure if it will have the 93 schedules...

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From: root@sgi.com (Super-User)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: A newcomer's guide to rec.sport.baseball...plus A's stuff. (Long)
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:28:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

In article <21546@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary She's Making Eyes Huckabay) writes:

A whole bunch of cool, funny, rapier-like wit stuff deleted because I really
want to comment about the .sig
>
>-- 
>*   Gary Huckabay   * "Well, with the Benzinger signing, I think you'd have  *
>* "Dabbling around  *  to agree the Giants have gone a long way towards      *
>*   the Gajarsky    *  plugging their outfield holes.  He's a switch hitter  *
>*       tree."      *  with power." - Walt Gray, Ch. 3 sports director.      *

I've been gone for a week or so and it seems that my Giants have gone on
a signing binge of nearly worthless players. Allow me to recap:

Todd Benzinger: Decent defense, limited (read little) power, no speed, lousy
OBA, SLG, BB->K ratio, however, he makes up for it by being a marginal
hitter from both sides of the plate. Giants looking for this years Cory
Snyder?

Mark Carreon: Give me a break. He's a poor mans Rob Deer. Brought in to
round out split squad games in spring. Good power and ah.....and ah....

Jeff Reed: Oh be still my silly heart. If he didn't hit left handed, he'd
be pumping gas in Peoria. Brought in to ah...ah....be the oldest catcher
on the roster. Ya, that's it.

Dave Anderson: This is a good move. 1 for 4, not bad. Backs up all 4 infield
postitions and plays good defense. They should not have let him go in the 
first place.

Comment welcome,
luigi
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: root@sgi.com (Super-User)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Craig Colbert move?
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:15:52 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

In article <1993Jan19.024445.25219@honte.uleth.ca> savoy@hg.uleth.ca writes:
>
>Can someone tell me where (former?) Giant catcher Craig Colbert will
>be playing in 1993? I thought I had all the player moves down pat, but
>I think I read somewhere that Colbert had signed with the Marlins or
>Rockies, yet I've still got him listed with the Giants in my data
>files. Tanx muchly.
>
> _____________________________________________________________________________
>     Jim Savoy          University Of Lethbridge         savoy@hg.uleth.ca
>
>    I had dinner with my father last night, and made a classic Freudian
>    slip. I meant to say "Pass the salt.", but it came out "You prick,
>    you ruined my childhood."

I love this comment, but to answer your real question....Colbert is still
with the Giants, however, there seems to be no spot for him on the ML
roster. Manwaring is the starter and both McNamara and newly acquired 
Reed hit left handed. Colbert also plays 3rd but with the signing of
Dave Anderson that became a moot point. Colbert appears AAA bound.

luigi
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: clgs11@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Oakland A's Tickets
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:35:45 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

Could someone E-mail me info. on how to obtain Oakland A's Tickets ???

I'll  be over around 8th April and would like to obtain tickets for a ballgame.

If you could supply me with an address and/or methods of payment I'd be
grateful.

Thanks in advance,

Tony Cummins
Strathclyde Univ.
Glasgow
Scotland.

E-Mail: clgs11@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
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From: sullis@rs6306.ecs.rpi.edu (Sean C. Sullivan)
Subject: Re: John Valentin aka Jose Valentin(?)
Organization: Rotisserie Polytechnic Institute (Troy, NY, USA)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:55:33 GMT

sckelm@iastate.edu (Steven C Kelm) writes:
>I was looking through some minor league baseball cards, and came across a card
>of a SS in the San Diego farm system by the name of Jose Valentin.  Is this the
>same player as the Red Sox SS John Valentin?  If so, how did they acquire him?
>

  John Valentin and Jose Valentin are 2 separate players.
Both players are shortstops.

  John Valentin is currently with the Boston Red Sox.
Jose Valentin is currently with the Milwaukee Brewers.

  Jose Valentin (Brewers) used to be in the Padres organization.
The Brewers acquired him in the Gary Sheffield trade  (the full
trade was:  Gary Sheffield for Ricky Bones, Jose Valentin, and
Matt Mieske).
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From: nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: jints Announce Ticket Price Reduction
Keywords: Wonders
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:02:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Fordham University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
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In article <1993Jan27.184939.18308@netcom.com>, 
michaelh@netcom.com (Michael Hernandez) writes...
>The SF Giants(sounds good, doesn't it?!), announced they

No, it does not sound good.  I presume you are happy that they stayed.  
jints at any location are still the enemy to me.  

>will reduce ticket prices in the Upper Reserve Sections
>of Candlestick Park.  This reduction is a response to a 
>poll that indicated families could not afford to attend
>games at the current price levels.
[some deleted]
> 
>GO SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS!
> 
>Michael 

Anyone foolish enough to venture into Candlestick Park deserves the 
weather that they get.  It is likely even windier up in the cheap seats.
The jints ought to *pay* people to come to that wretched stadium. 

Sorry.  Just couldn't let a jints woof go by unnoticed. 
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