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From: spooge@sizone.UUCP (Cyberpolka On Da Jeep)
Newsgroups: tor.general,ut.general
Subject: Re: Suggestions for old Byte and SciAm
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 22:11:07 EST
Organization: Sonic Interzone, Atonal Hoodlum Subversion, TO Ont. 416-276-0552

ben@sys.toronto.edu (Benjamin Gamsa) writes:

> 
> Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to do with old Byte and
> Scientific American magazines from around 1987-1989.  I'm cleaning
> stuff out, and would like to get rid of them, but would prefer
> not to contribute to the waste problem.  If anyone has any use for
> them, let me know.

Donate them to schools, specially the SCI_AMER stuff. Or get them bound
for $x for 6 months/"book". Looks real_nice.

/kc


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From: Mother Nature <gaea@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Long-Distance: Who's got the Feeling now?
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:29:49 GMT

liana@nexus.yorku.ca (Liana Becker) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>I've had varrious people from other companies come to try and sign me
>up.  The one day I had a SCREAMING Baby and we still had to throw them out.
>They actually want to keep on with their sales pitch and said "don't 
>worry the baby can wait".  The end result, at least when something 
>goes wrong Bell has alway responded quickly and curteously, I'm
>sticking with them.

I agree with you about local rates going up, but as for Bell being quick and
courteous, that's something that I've never seen in all my dealings with 
them - at least not the staff at the office. My boyfriend and I run a four
line computers system out of our apartment, which is in no way a commercial
enterprise. The office staff gave us such a hassle about getting these lines
installed it was ridiculous. Then they didn't work. It took them about four
tries to even _attempt_ to fix the lines, and still we're having problems.
It's mostly because of Bell's tardiness in rewiring this old building,
something the Bell technicians tell me is desperately needed. We had these
lines installed in May, and we're still having problems. We have problems with
line noise, so what do they tell us to do? Get "data" lines. As if we can
afford to pay for them as a non commercial system.
  Even when I had a second phone line back when I lived with my parents still,
I had problems with Bell. I complained about really bad noise on the line
(audible when using the line voice), that would sometimes drown out the
conversation that I was having, and they said "Well, we'll fix it in a couple
of months, when we dig up the lines in your area." So I cut my service with
them, why pay for a line that wasn't functional?
  I did find the technicians seem to side more with the consumer than with
their company, and from what I've seen of the muddlings that go on at Bell
office, I don't blame them one bit.

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From: dave@imax.imax.com (Dave Martindale)
Subject: Re: "Poster people" are NP-annoying
Organization: Imax Corporation, Mississauga Canada
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 05:20:55 GMT

mann@vis.toronto.edu (Richard Anthony Mann) writes:
>Have any of you people been bothered by automated telephone
>solicitations from the "Poster people"?
>
>At the beginning of the message they tell a number (probably required
>by law) quickly.

Ah, so that's who that is.  I've received 2 or 3 calls in the last few
weeks when I was home.  I've always hung up as soon as I hear the
phone number, since it's clearly just a recording, not even an underpaid
human being on the other end.
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From: acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih)
Subject: Free, Old Computer Magazines (and other stuff)
Summary: Take them away!
Keywords: magazines old FREE stuff
Distribution: tor
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:56:04 GMT

I have some back issues of the following magazines I need to give away:

	1) Byte
	2) Computer Language
	3) Dr. Dobb's Journal
	4) Datamation
	5) Road and Track
	6) miscellaneous others.

All of them are at least of few of years old.

I also have to give away:

	10 tennis ball tubes.  They look fantastically useful for something,
	    but I haven't quite figured out how!  :-)
	SS/SD 5.25" diskettes.  50-100 (Haven't counted yet.)  Good for
	    schools still running C-64s and Apple II's.

If interested, please email.

Thanks.

ACS

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From: jjchew@math.toronto.edu (John J. Chew III)
Subject: Re: "Poster people" are NP-annoying
Organization: The Poslfit Committee
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 18:00:37 GMT

In article <470.499.uupcb@uunet.ca> rudy.hehn%hombas@uunet.ca (Rudy Hehn) 
  writes:
> From: hombas!rudy.hehn@uunet.ca
> To: jjchew@math.toronto.edu (John J. Chew III)
> 
> If you can get his fax number (most fax machines record the phone
> number on faxes that are sent), and have a fax modem, set up a program
> to fax a rude message to Mr. Fine over and over again from 5:00am to
> 11:00pm, keeping within the letter of the law of course. . That would
> tie up his fax machine, use up a lot of paper, and maybe give him a
> hint to take you off his list. :-)

He isn't stupid enough to program his fax machine to stamp its phone
number on each transmission, but I did manage to get ahold of his
fax number anyway.  I'll e-mail it to anyone that wants it, and
am contemplating action as you described above the next time he
starts faxing me again.

John

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From: sysmark@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Mark Bartelt)
Subject: chimney sweeps?
Reply-To: mark@cita.toronto.edu
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Distribution: tor
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:30:18 GMT

Our fireplace chimneys appear to have many decades of accumulated soot
lining them, so it's probably a wise idea to have them all cleaned.

I prefer to intentionally avoid patronizing companies like Austin Topper,
because of their obnoxious, high-pressure, and dishonest telephone sales
techniques.  (Though they haven't called me this year.  Maybe they've put
me on their "don't call" list.  Or maybe they've gone out of business.)

Anyway, if you've had your chimney(s) cleaned by someone you'd recommend,
I'd appreciate hearing.  TIA.

Mark Bartelt                                                416/978-5619
Canadian Institute for                             mark@cita.toronto.edu
Theoretical Astrophysics                           mark@cita.utoronto.ca

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From: richard@torag.guild.org (Richard Quan)
Newsgroups: tor.general,ont.general,can.general
Subject: Re: Long-Distance: Who's got the Feeling now?
Date: 6 Nov 92 06:49:43 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: Torag Public Access Unix, Toronto

In article <1992Nov4.153540.7070@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> liana@nexus.yorku.ca (Liana Becker) writes:
>A couple of brief things.
>
>I did some reading on this demonopolizing and I'm not sure how much
>it will benefit us.
>
>If I remember correctly the other companies are paying bell x much per
>trunk that they use.  This is based on x many lines going through a
>trunk.  In reality these companys can put more calls through then what
>they are paying for.  This is unfair to Bell.
>
>What I do remember correctly is that Bell is subsidizing our local
>rates, this will probably be cancled as they will not be able to loose
>money (remember they have to pay out dividends to the owners) or people
>will sell their stock.  So no matter what happens in the longdistance
>battle our local rates will go up.

If this were true demonopolization going on, Bell shouldn't have the local 
market cornered.  Other companies should be allowed to stretch lines across 
the country/North America.  I wonder how Bell is subsidizing our local rates!
I am sure this subsidy isn't coming from those stock holders or those
comfortable management staff of Bell.  I think that it is the business 
community that is subsidizing our residential local rates; if you look at how
much a business has to pay Bell for their service and how much hook-up is, 
then I think as it stands now, Bell shouldn't suffer that much.

Assuming that not everyone makes an abundance of long-distance calls, and 
assuming that many people will continue to use Bell long-distance, the 
opportunity to sell off parts of their system to these little companies should
be viewed as an extra for Bell rather than a loss.
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From: cameron shelley <cpshelle@neumann.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: CS Master's grad seeks NLP/AI/Technical Writing Position (Canada)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:17:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.235139.1632@bnr.ca> you write:
> cpshelle@logos.uwaterloo.ca (cameron shelley) writes:
> ...
> >I have been accepted in the Ph.D.  program at a fairly well-to-do
> >university (Waterloo)
> 
> Yeah, so what?  Does a "well-to-do" university mean that it is a good
> university?  Even so, does that mean anything?

Not necessarily.  But, in replying to sjm's comment, it means that I
could just continue to hide out in university rather than look for
work at all.  Grad programs can certainly be well-to-do and still be
bad.  However, this has nothing to do my original comment.

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From: merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer)
Subject: Re: call management!!!
Organization: Reptilian Research, Toronto, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: tor
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 18:10:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.121756.28907@druid.uucp> darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain) writes:
>Even better cut off CRS until they (A) fix their software and (B) teach
>their users that Usenet isn't a BBOARD and that different customs are
>in order.

A) is something that can and probably will get addressed.
B) is a problem not distinct to CRS.  i've seen crap postings from alot of
   "real" news systems.

>I realize that CRS has a lot of users but that doesn't give them the right
>to shit on the rest of Usenet.

CRS has been on the net for sometime now, and i think for the number of
"BBOARD" type users they have, the amount of abuse coming from CRS
is very low.

management at CRS has been very responsive when i sent messages saying "this
user is cutting real close to the ettiquete rules", or "this user is
subscribing to ftp-mail services".

BS commercial posts come from all over.

just last month there was an idiot slogging the vitues of Amway in kw.general.
and he was posting from UofW!


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From: robbie@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (G.Robert Arrabito)
Newsgroups: tor.general
Subject: volunteer readers are needed
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:25:38 GMT
Distribution: tor
Organization: Defence and Civil Institute of Environmental Medicine


				Volunteer Readers
				----------------

I'm  visually impaired. I'm looking for people who have some time on 
their hands to do some volunteer reading. For further information, please
contact me at:

Robert Arrabito
phone: 635-2033
e-mail: robbie@dretor.dciem.dnd.ca
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From: rbe@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.COM (Robert Bernecky)
Subject: Re: "Poster people" are NP-annoying
Reply-To: rbe@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.COM (Robert Bernecky)
Organization: Snake Island Research Inc, Toronto
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 15:52:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.052055.4932@imax.imax.com> dave@imax.imax.com (Dave Martindale) writes:
>mann@vis.toronto.edu (Richard Anthony Mann) writes:
>>Have any of you people been bothered by automated telephone
>>solicitations from the "Poster people"?
>>
>>At the beginning of the message they tell a number (probably required
>>by law) quickly.

I have received a few calls from these assholes. I did two things:
a. Called the Feds and complained. Lessee, I called my MP and said
   "Kill this junk mail stuff legallike", and filed complaint 
   with CRTC (I think?).

b. Called Bell Biz office and complained. They gave me a number to
   call. Calling said number gave me horseshit recording from same
   people, and FINALLY a thing that said "TO get removed from our
   files, please leave your phone number at the tone", or some such thing.

   I left my phone number as well as a suggestion that if I EVER
   heard from them again, I'd program MY computer to call theirs at
   90 second intervals. Now, perhaps if enough people did this, or
   if we could get the number of the bozo who runs this operation,
   and call him at home in the wee hours.... it might stop.

Bob



Robert Bernecky      rbe@yrloc.ipsa.reuter.com  bernecky@itrchq.itrc.on.ca 
Snake Island Research Inc  (416) 368-6944   FAX: (416) 360-4694 
18 Fifth Street, Ward's Island
Toronto, Ontario M5J 2B9 
Canada
From: rudy.hehn%hombas@uunet.ca (Rudy Hehn) 
Newsgroups: tor.general
Subject: Re: "Poster people" are NP-annoying
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:02:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Home Base BBS - St. Thomas, ON - 519-633-7253
Reply-To: rudy.hehn%hombas@uunet.ca (Rudy Hehn) 

From: hombas!rudy.hehn@uunet.ca
To: jjchew@math.toronto.edu (John J. Chew III)

-> been very careful not to do.  The rules about automatic diallers
-> cover the times of day when they are allowed to operate (any time
-> except late at night and Sunday mornings), but there is nothing to
-> keep Fine from waking me up with a fax at 05:00, as he has done once
-> so far.

If you can get his fax number (most fax machines record the phone
number on faxes that are sent), and have a fax modem, set up a program
to fax a rude message to Mr. Fine over and over again from 5:00am to
11:00pm, keeping within the letter of the law of course. . That would
tie up his fax machine, use up a lot of paper, and maybe give him a
hint to take you off his list. :-)
                                                                                                     
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From: "curtis repen" <curtis.repen@canrem.com>
Subject: CRS (was: Call Management)
Reply-To: "curtis repen" <curtis.repen@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: tor
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:22:39 EST


In article : <1992Nov4.121756.28907@druid.uucp>
        in : tor.general
             darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain) writes:

DJ>Even better cut off CRS until they (A) fix their software and (B) teach
DJ>their users that Usenet isn't a BBOARD and that different customs are
DJ>in order.

Overreacting a bit, aren't you, D'arcy?

I agree that the software can and should be fixed to some extent, but
I'd humbly suggest that CRS isn't nearly as bad as A) most universities,
or B) FidoNet or C) some public access sites.

CRS is relatively expensive for a BBS, and *most* of its members who
post to usenet are relatively mature, and relatively knowledgeable. In
part, this is *because* the software is not Usenet oriented. From CRS,
it takes a bit of patience to figure out how to post to usenet. This
helps cut down the noise somewhat.

Like any other site, CRS has users who will misuse the net either
through ignorance or arrogance, but I've seen much worse spewed out of
various universities, and FidoNet, and other public access sites.
Demanding that uunet stop accepting either CRS' money (unlikely) or
their traffic (not much more likely) is less productive than sending
mail to the offending person, or to CRS if it is their problem.

For what it's worth, I've forwarded a copy of your message to the owner
of CRS, with the recomendation that he look into adding crossposting
capability to the gateway software, and that he remind new and existing
users of appropriate netiquette and use guidelines.

Hopefully, something positive will come of this.

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From: nash@sco.COM (Nash Panju)
Newsgroups: tor.general
Subject: Need Hard disk for IBM PC/XT
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:13:06 GMT
Distribution: tor
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.

Weel, it looks like the hard disk (or it's controller) on my IBM PC XT
has died.   If anyone has a hard disk for the IBM XT (~ 20M) that they
no longer need, I'd be interested in acquiring it ..

Please reply via email to nash@sco.com
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From: yeetroy@ecf.toronto.edu (Troy of the Clan Cameron)
Subject: looking for restaurant
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:04:12 GMT

  Does anybody know of a good and inexpensive restaurant in the
Bloor-Spadina/Bloor-Bathurst area?  A place where quiet conversations
can take place would be best.

  Thanks in advance. :)
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From: mann@vis.toronto.edu (Richard Anthony Mann)
Subject: "Poster people" are NP-annoying
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:47:53 GMT

Have any of you people been bothered by automated telephone
solicitations from the "Poster people"?  They call offering a job if
you call their 976 number (which charges $10 to your phone bill).

At the beginning of the message they tell a number (probably required
by law) quickly.  I called this, and asked to be disconnected from
their list, but was called again a month later.  Since I asked to be
removed from the list, could be charged with harassing calls?  Any
suggestions who to complain to?  I've forgotten the 976 number in
question.  Would someone please tell me so I can make my complaint.

BTW, I've seen large numbers of posters advertising this number, as
well as (416) 661-3425, which doesn't charge, but appears to be a
similar scam run by the same people.  I suggest that anyone who sees
these posters remove them to discourage this useless behaviour!

Richard.
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From: scott@skypod.gts.org (Scott Campbell)
Newsgroups: tor.general,ont.general,can.general
Subject: Re: Long-Distance: Who's got the Feeling now?
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:17:53 GMT
Organization: Skypod Communications Inc., Toronto, Ontario

In article <1992Nov5.122949.10556@zooid.guild.org> Mother Nature <gaea@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>I agree with you about local rates going up, but as for Bell being quick and
>courteous, that's something that I've never seen in all my dealings with 
>them - at least not the staff at the office. My boyfriend and I run a four

I've been through 6 Sales Reps at Bell in the past year and every time I try to
get a hold of one all i get is a recording.  Usually after 10 calls or so
I get a hold of a real live human who tells me that that person doesn't
cover my territory any more but she'll get someone to call me.

(I have finally found someone who answers the phone now but it's taken
a lot of work).

The other day I got a call from Bell (I have no idea who).  They called
to tell me that WATS service had changed.  Uh oh.

Our WATS service (up until last week) was Zone 2 which meant we
can call anywhere in Bell Canada territory.  Under the new system, we
can call anywhere in North American except Costa Rica, Alaska and Hawaii
(which last time I looked at a map wasn't in North America anyway).

"Oh." I say.  Is it cheaper than before?

"Most of our customers will have savings on average".

She had really no idea how much or how much the calls would be or anything
like that.  My sales rep will be calling me in the next few weeks.

By the way, this went into effect yesterday (Monday at noon actually).

So I call up to our Ottawa office to see if the guy in charge there has
heard anything about it.  I get ahold of him and find out that noone
in that office has been able to make long distance calls at all.  The new
lines screwed up automatic routing on their phone system.  It cost $200
for the phone system people to come in and reprogram.  Bell's response?

"Sorry."

I mentioned that I have a sales rep who does answer the phone so I called
her to see what was up.  She gave me the numbers and promised to fax more
detailed info.  This was Wednesday morning.  My fax machine is not
ringing off the hook.

From the limited information I have, I am not sure whether this was a good
deal or not compared to before, but the fact that they didn't tell us
until after the fact really ticks me off.

Isn't there some rule that says they have to give you warning about things
like this?  I mean they just changed WATS a couple of months ago and
gave us plenty of warning and the old system could be grandfathered if
we wanted.

Sigh.

As if I didn't have enough to worry about.

scott
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