From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: rec.arts.manga: Replies to Iain Sinclair
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:44:02 GMT
Organization: Living in a satellite fantasy, waiting for the night to end.

Again, I'm following-up to several articles at once.

axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair) writes:

> "Sequential art" could be interpreted as anything from theatre to
> calligraphy, depending.

Hooey.  "Sequential art", as it is used in colloquial English, means comic
books, comic strips, graphic novels, and other similar illustrated stories
that are strongly driven by their visual aspect.  Once again you make up
an imaginary definition and build the rest of your argument on top of it,
hoping that you'll be able to snowball people who aren't familiar with
what the term actually means.

> The volume of traffic on manga-related discussion will, by and large,
> find itself anywhere except rec.arts.comics (even rec.games.video.arcade
> and soc.culture.australian has seen it). 

Hooey again.  Rec.arts.comics gets plenty of manga-related discussion;
there's a constant undercurrent of posts about English translations of
manga like AKIRA, URUSEI YATSURA, and whatever else is getting significant
exposure outside of Japan.  Before the creation of alt.manga and
rec.arts.anime, rec.arts.comics (and before that, net.comics) had plenty
of discussion of the books in their original form as well.

And of *course* you're going to see discussion of a video game based on a
manga (in this case U.N. SQUADRON, which is the US version of a game based
on the comic AREA 88) in rec.games.video.arcade.  This fact does nothing to
disprove the fact that discussion of Japanese comic books belongs in the
comics hierarchy. 

> At the moment, the net.manga community is spending most of their free
> time trying to convince news.groups that they actually know enough about
> manga (and comics, and japan, and... ) to know where it belongs in the
> Usenet hierarchy.

Nobody here has ever doubted what the people in alt.manga know about
manga.  You've all proven very effectively that you don't know much
about Usenet, though.

>> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>>		 ________________________________________
>>		|                                        |
>>		|       ARTS                             |
>>		|   ________________  ________________   |
>>		|  |                \/                |  |
>>		|  |                /\                |  |
>>		|  |     COMICS    ( \)  MANGA        |  |
>>		|  |                \/\               |  |
>>		|  |________________/\_\______________|  |
>>		|_______________________\________________|
>>		                         \
>>					ART THAT DRAWS FROM
>>	 				BOTH TRADITIONS

I NEVER WROTE THIS.  You have a hell of a nerve writing something that I
completely disagree with and then attributing it to me, Sinclair!  

> rec.arts.comics          
> rec.arts.comics.manga   .... manga is subordinate to comics.
>                         .... manga are derived from comics.
>                         .... manga are less than comics.
>                         .... manga are a subset of comics.

rec.arts.comics
rec.arts.comics.strips    .... comic strips are subordinate to comic books.
                          .... comic strips are derived from comic books.
                          .... comic strips are a subset of comic books.
                          .... comic strips are less than comic books*.
                               *(whatever the hell that's supposed to mean)

Riiiiiiight.

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