HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gilgalad@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Ralph Seguin)
Subject: DCTV help needed: HEEEELLLLLPPP!!
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:40:39 GMT


Scenario:  Have a 2000 with an 040, Toaster and a DCTV.  Can't afford
a single frame record deck.  Need to do single frame recording
Compromise:  Try to get decent frame rate from DCTV anims.
Results:  Way too slow on the 2000 with 040.

Hi.  I have a DCTV and the money to buy a machine (3000 or 4000), but
I have nowhere near the amount of money needed to buy a single frame
record deck.  What I want to know is what sort of frame rate I can
expect to get with an Amiga 3000/4000.  I know that the 32 bit access
to CHIP should make a significant difference.  Even my 040 2000 is
dog slow.  Could somebody with a 3000 or hopefully 4000 and DCTV
play a decent sized collection of anims (with varying deltas)
and give me the results, ie can you get 30 frames a second with
large deltas?  I will post any results I may get.

PS- Please use anims with non-trivial deltas and full overscan.

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From: Aurelius@cup.portal.com (Mark Christian Barnes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: CBM Discusses Future Amigas
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 22:59:51 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
  <1992Sep14.180411.90091@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>

|        I have only 1 thing to say re: Amiga + RISC. 
|        Please, please, please, please, please, please, ALPHA!
|        (although MC88x00 is the more obvious option).
|
|           Bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au  OR  bull@monu1.cc.monash.oz
|                    DOD# 251  '84 VF 750   Closet Ducatisto
|             Disclaimer. If you love your llama, let it lambada.

 But C= has already made at least one agreement with DEC already.
I believe it is a reseller agreement. So at least they are talking :)

			Regards, Aurelius@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: kholland@hydra.unm.edu (Kiernan Holland)
Subject: Re: 4000
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 07:35:44 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep11.201126.29937@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com> msnider@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com (Marc A. Snider x0193) writes:
>Well, for what it's worth, I just got this info from a local dealer.  He
>had just received the info via fax (circa 2:30pm eastern time).
>
>      - '040 running at 25mhz
>
>      - standard graphic modes up to 1280x400 (more with overscan)
>
>      - up to 256,000 colors from a 16.8 million color palette
>
>      - 120 meg hard drive  (yes, connected to IDE on board controller)
>
>      - 2 megs chip ram
>
>      - 6 megs fast ram expandle to 16 meg using SIMMS
>
>      - NTSC 15/31 hz scan rate switchable
>
>      - AmigaDOS 3.0 including crosstalk(for reading and writing IBM PC
>                                         formatted files)
>
>      - 150 watt power supply
>
>      - 4 Zorro III slots, 3 PC AT slots
>
>      - 3 1/2" 880k floppy drive
>
>      
>Apparently they'll be offering an optional SCSI controller.  He didn't
>know any more than this.  If anyone knows more info, like how many
>colors at 640x480 (overscan), hurry up and post, will ya!!!
>
>
>suggested retail is $3699.00.     BTW didn't C= buy the rights to DCTV a
>while back?  And if so what are they using it for (paperweight?)?  It
>sure doesn't seem to be in the new box...
>
>M. Snider
>msnider@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com
>

I wouldn't go spreading stuff like that. From Amazing computing, 
the only thing that has been reported, as a rumor, 
is CBM is thinking about releasing a 640x480 8-bit 
graphics chip for the Amigas. I can believe that. 
CBM has never made moves like the one you suggest and 
they probably never will. 

In the PC world people are talking about 586's even though there is 
no proof that there is a 586, but people are talking. 

Right now, I could find you a Intel based machine that 
would have all the things you mentioned for about 2000 
bucks, only using a 33mhz 486 and a local bus ( which is 
synced with the CPU running it). 

For what it is worth, of course.

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From: David_Corn@fcircus.sat.tx.us (David Corn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: No AGA for current users!?! *Excuse Me?*
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:41:34 GMT
Organization: The Flying Circus BBS, San Antonio, TX
X-NewsSoftware: BBX-UMB 0.23 (Sep 12 1992)


Apple has had many computer upgrades in the past, including, among
others, SE->SE/30 and II->IIx upgrades...they even had a HD Drive
upgrade - imagine that!



-- 
David_Corn@fcircus.sat.tx.us
.. david corn ...
From: paulg@weird.miami.fl.us (Paul Griswold)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Imagine mailing list
Date: 13 Sep 92 11:14:54 EDT
Organization: Weird BBS [Amiga] (305)553-3207 S. Miami, FL USA


For some reason I was dropped off the Imagine mailing list.  Can someone please tell me who to write to so that I can be put back on it?  

Thanks!!!

Paul Griswold

--- Via UCI v1.02 (C-Net Amiga)

Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.graphics:6028 comp.sys.amiga.hardware:15322
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: CBM Discusses Future Amigas
From: alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com (Alan Braggins)
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:16:04 GMT
Organization: Shape Data (Division of EDS), Cambridge UK
In-reply-to: jpelkone@vipunen.hut.fi's message of Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:41:06 GMT

>>>>> On Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:41:06 GMT, jpelkone@vipunen.hut.fi (Janne R M Pelkonen) said:
> In article <1992Sep14.180411.90091@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>>
>>        I have only 1 thing to say re: Amiga + RISC.
>>
>>        Please, please, please, please, please, please, ALPHA!
>>        (although MC88x00 is the more obvious option).

> 	Alpha is a bit expensive, atleast currently. It costs more
> 	than $10,000 even in large quantities.

When announcements about it first appeared on comp.arch, one of the
DEC hardware engineers was offering to send a chip to anyone who
sent him $3000. While he may have been joking, I've heard prices for
upgrading some Vaxes to Alpha for less than $10,000.
[The $3000 was for just the chip - no support, no documentation.]

However, an Alpha based Amiga would leave a large gap in performance
(and price) between the 680x0 range and the RISC range. Sparc is more
plausible - Sun moved to it from 680x0, and have licensed it to appear
in clones.
--
Alan Braggins, Shape Data (A Division of EDS Ltd), Cambridge, UK +44-223-316673
   "Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced."
 "My employer does not necessarily share my views - but I'm working on it."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: johnh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (John J Humpal)
Subject: Re: 4000:  Is it so great?
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:25:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.021205.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cl129502@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>
> [ EVERYTHING deleted ]
>
	Please, folks:  *If* you must respond to this guys blather, please
do so in .advocacy.  Let's see if we can nip this little flamefest in the
bud, okay?

Thanks in advance.

-- 
-John

John J. Humpal -- johnh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu -- short .sig, std. disclaimer

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: artist1@rdrc.rpi.edu (Artist # 1)
Subject: imagine mailing list
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:59:18 GMT

Could someone tell me what happened to the Imagine mailing list?
Is is mentioned in the latest edition of understanding Imagine 2.0.

Also, i read in Amiga World that portal, which is also mentioned as
an interesting source of Imagine info, now has internet access...
does anyone know either telnet or ftp addresses?

Please write me at artist1@rdrc.rpi.edu

Thanks,

david blair

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: Winfried.Krueger@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Winfried.Krueger)
Subject: Re: Send AA specs please!
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:29:53 GMT

carrico@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>Could someone send me the specs
>on the rumored AA chip set.
>Are there any rumors of an 
>upgrade path from an A3000? Price?
>Thanks in advance...

Hey, sleepy!
Nobody is giving anything for that outdated AA stuff anymore, look out for
someone to post you the hottest CC stuff.

winnie.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.graphics:6049 comp.sys.amiga.misc:13975
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: No AGA for current users!?! *Excuse Me?*
Date: 14 Sep 1992 23:48:27 -0400
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, New Jersey, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

In <1992Sep13.195348.25807@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> bdnee@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Bandes Dessinee) writes:

>You know, I love my amigas, particularly my a3000, but Commodore's REALLY starting to piss me off here.  
>This AGA chipset incompatibility thing wouldn't piss me off nearly so much if 
>they had introduced DIG/RTG/whatever the hell they choose to call it FIRST.
>Commodore would be nowhere without the existing userbase, couldn't they have the
>decency to look out for us first, before introducing something that makes our
>machines obsolete?

You're right!

Everyone else does this kind of thing, why can't C-A?

Here's the warrentee that came with my 1991 Honda Civic DX:

"In the event that Honda releases a new model of this vehicle you will
receive a free upgrade.  Car owners must send in their registration
card so the new car can be send via Federal Express to your house.  The
old car must be returned via next-day air.  (Car owner is responsible
for paying postage.)"

Ok, they COULD pay the postage but how much can that really be when you
compare it to the free upgrade I'm getting?

I won't quote other warrentees and contracts I have here, but let me
drop some names:  My IBM XT was upgraded to a PS/2 for free; my Pee Wee
Herman lunch box was exchanged for a TMNT lunch box; and NASA got The
Space Shuttle Endevor as a free upgrade from the Challanger model.

Bandes Dessinee is 100% correct.

Tom

P.S.  If you haven't figured it out, I'm just kidding.  By the way, the
truth is that C-A has offered more upgrades (including a few that they
weren't planning on) than any other computer company I know of.
-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (home) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
"Families should be more like the Waltons instead of the Simpsons" -G. Bush;
"But we *are* like the Waltons: we're waiting for the Depression to end,
too!" -B. Simpson 8/20;    S7/2 b+ g l+ y z- n++ o++ x++ a-- u+ v+ j+ PIG8/5
From: ottmar@ajberl.adsp.sub.org (Ottmar Roehrig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re:    ADPro vs. ImageMaster: Which is better for DTP?
Date: 12 Sep 92 12:33:02 GMT
Organization: Atelier Roehrig

>In article <64981@cup.portal.com> blackbelt@cup.portal.com (Ben - Williams) writes:
>>Ottmar Roehrig,
>>
>>The Targa reader works perfectly, as far as we are aware; all of the
>>concerns that the German distributor made know to us about the Targa
>>reader were dealt with within a few days of our receiving the info.
>>
>>If there are remaining problems, I am _totally_ unaware of them. I've
>>been using the Targa module myself and have had no problems at all;
>>I'd be surprised if there were any at this point.
>>

I am using V 9.13 and I am definitely not able to load 32-bit-targa
files with alpha-channel into ImageMaster. Works perfectly with
24-bit w/o alpha. I'd consider this as a bug.

Ottmar
--
AtelierRoehrig        UUCP: ...!cbmvax!cbmehq!cbmger!ajberl!ottmar
Ottmar Roehrig, ECG130    cbmger.de.so.commodore.com!ajberl!ottmar
Hamburg, Germany

"And they were two souls searching for each other
 One spirit looking for the other
 Caught between a hard hard place and a rock..."    R. Springfield
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From: her@compel.UUCP (Helge Egelund Rasmussen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.graphics
Subject: Info wanted about Hash Enterprises: Will WIntons Playmation
Date: 10 Sep 92 08:32:38 GMT
Organization: Compel, Copenhagen, DK

I just received a newsletter from Impulse where they describe a
new product from Hash Enterprises called "Will Wintons playmation".
Apparently it looks somewhat like Imagine, but uses spline
modelling.

Does anyone know more about this new product?

What is the difference between this product and Journeyman?

Helge
---
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Copenhagen, Denmark
From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: 4000
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:39:04 GMT
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX

In article <1992Sep12.123339.16787@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Hanna) writes:
>In article <2bwn6wj@lynx.unm.edu> kholland@hydra.unm.edu (Kiernan Holland) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep11.201126.29937@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com> msnider@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com (Marc A. Snider x0193) writes:
>>>Well, for what it's worth, I just got this info from a local dealer.  He
>>>had just received the info via fax (circa 2:30pm eastern time).
>>>
[ A bunch of stuff deleted]

>
>My only correction is that it will do a little over 262,000 colors in high
>res HAM8 from a pallete of 16.7 million--not 256,000 colors :)
>
>

  In the interest of fairness and balance - almost any not-totally-stripped
486 based PC clone will come with a super-VGA or better video card. The low
end will have a card like the Diamond SpeedStar that can do 32,000 colors
from a 16-million color pallette, and the high end will have a Diamond 
SpeedStar 24X that can do true 24-bit color at 800 x 600 or 16 color at
1024 x 1280. 

   Hey, I love my Amiga too, but lets keep the facts straight.

>This machine is using the same CPU technology as the Mac Quadra 9000--with
>better sound and practically as good vide FOR A THIRD OF THE PRICE!!!!!

   It's silly to compare the 4000 to a Quadra 900. Apple machine are always
overpriced. A more realistic comparison would be to a 486-33 or 50 with a
high-color board running windows. Sure Windows is a buggy kluge, but there is
a lot of wonderful software available on Windows.

                                  Chris Williams
                                    katefans@chinet.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: Vince@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Vince Koh Kia Keng)
Subject: OpalVision output?
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:38:09 GMT

Just a quick question about Opalvision:
I know it is suppossed to support 15.75Khz scan rate.  Does this mean that
I can use it on a standard Amiga monitor?  (I actually have an Amiga 1081,
240V AC monitor that I brought over from Singapore.)

Thank-you.

-Vince

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From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Here are the 4000 specs.. from C=
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 21:42:30 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

>Well I just got a hold of this last night.. after they released the 4000 at
>the show.
>
>
>For Release: Immediate
>
>Contact: Commodore Business Machines, Inc.

[the rest of the release about the 4000, 600, 570, etc. deleted]

Gee, how many of these are we going to have clogg our news feeds?  Enough
already, we've seen at least 4 or 5 already.

-Joel
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: msnider@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com (Marc A. Snider x0193)
Subject: 4000
Organization: Sanders Associates
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 20:11:26 GMT

Well, for what it's worth, I just got this info from a local dealer.  He
had just received the info via fax (circa 2:30pm eastern time).

      - '040 running at 25mhz

      - standard graphic modes up to 1280x400 (more with overscan)

      - up to 256,000 colors from a 16.8 million color palette

      - 120 meg hard drive  (yes, connected to IDE on board controller)

      - 2 megs chip ram

      - 6 megs fast ram expandle to 16 meg using SIMMS

      - NTSC 15/31 hz scan rate switchable

      - AmigaDOS 3.0 including crosstalk(for reading and writing IBM PC
                                         formatted files)

      - 150 watt power supply

      - 4 Zorro III slots, 3 PC AT slots

      - 3 1/2" 880k floppy drive

      
Apparently they'll be offering an optional SCSI controller.  He didn't
know any more than this.  If anyone knows more info, like how many
colors at 640x480 (overscan), hurry up and post, will ya!!!


suggested retail is $3699.00.     BTW didn't C= buy the rights to DCTV a
while back?  And if so what are they using it for (paperweight?)?  It
sure doesn't seem to be in the new box...

M. Snider
msnider@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com
From: David_Corn@fcircus.sat.tx.us (David Corn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: 4000
Date: 14 Sep 92 07:20:46 GMT
Organization: The Flying Circus BBS, San Antonio, TX
X-NewsSoftware: BBX-UMB 0.23 (Sep 12 1992)



My only correction is that it will do a little over 262,000 colors in high
res HAM8 from a pallete of 16.7 million--not 256,000 colors :)


Show me a 486 that can do *THAT*!!!!!! out of the box

This machine is using the same CPU technology as the Mac Quadra 9000--with
better sound and practically as good vide FOR A THIRD OF THE PRICE!!!!!

Sure the Quadra has 24 bit color, but you still can't do full screen 3ps
animations on it!

GO COMMODORE!!!!

Jeff Hanna

---

Jeff, where have you BEEN?

I can get a 486/33 with 24 bit graphics (Speedstar 24x) easily - the 24
bit board is an extra $200, or roughly $100 extra after you sell the
stock VGA card back.  Some makers even include the 24x as stock.

24 bit graphics are nothing new.  8 bit graphics on new Amigas?  Blah.

Compares to a Quadra?  Sure..but you still have no software.  Or 24 bit
video - that's a big deal.  Amiga sellers charge $1000 for 24 bit video.

Sure, it's a decent price.  I want SPECS!  Start with running AIBB 4.5.8
on it.


DC - a ticked off A3000 owner




-- 
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.. david corn ...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Hanna)
Subject: Toaster Arexx Examples
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 16:07:19 GMT


Hi, 

I have just completed a 30 second Scenery Animator II animation (recorded out
to .iff24 frames).  I would like to convert these to Framestores, so I can
render them to tape by using "play frames" in Lightwave 3D.  I figured I would
use the RGB2FS.rexx program in the AREXX_examples directory.  I load the
Toaster, bring up ToasterPaint, and get back to my shell.  I type in the 
command line and the frame name, the HD spins, and nothing happens :(

How do you use this rexx script?  How do you tell it to process a group of
files?  Is there any certain way I should name the .iff24 files?

Please help

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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Needed urgently: IFF <-> PCX converter
Date: 5 Sep 92 13:35:52 PST
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <1992Sep4.024310.21836@cs.uow.edu.au> by u9147063@cs.uow.edu.au (Richard Barry Ling):
> I am looking for a program to convert pictures from Amiga IFF format to IBM
> PCX format. I don't care which platform it runs on. If anyone has such a

    VPIC will load IFF files (with a .LBM extension) and can then
    write them back out as .PCX.

> Richard.  u9147063@cs.uow.edu.au
--
*** John Bickers, TAP, NZAmigaUG.        jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
***    "Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk    ***
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: mrubino@engws1.ic.sunysb.edu (Michael N Rubino)
Subject: Re: 4000
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 00:07:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.125138.632@pro-freedom.cts.com> eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown) writes:
>
> > - 3 1/2" 880k floppy drive
>
>Word from the WOC show is that the floppy drive can read/write 880k format
>but is really a full speed 1.76 meg drive that reads/writes to 720k/1440k
>IBM PC disks as well.

Sorry, but the 4000 still uses the same Paula chip as all the other Amigas.
That means it has the same sound and the same floppy throughput.  The drives
are of the elusive dual speed type.
From: diskount@micromed.com (don hirschfeld)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: REND104F.LZH now on Hubcap
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 05:38:03 PDT
Organization: Micro-Medic  - +1 408 279 5240 - Public Access


I'm calling from just a mail site. Is there a site which carries Amiga 
graphic files which can send them as mail packets that you know of? 
Thanks.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: taylorm@wl.aecl.ca
Subject: A3000 and Upgrades
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:33:52 GMT

I own an A3000/25.  When I first bought it, I believed that it would be the
platform for all upgrades for about three-four years.  I was wrong.  But,
I'm not at all mad.  I don't want Commodore to restrain themselves to what
my computer is hardware limited to.  I don't have the funds to run out and
buy an A4000, so I will own the A3000 for a while yet.  I will be envious,
but I can still do some pretty cool things with my DCTV on my A3000.

What I am saying is that the A3000 is still a good machine.  It is the most
comfortable system I have ever used, and I have used quite a few.  I am
pleased with the quality of my machine, both software and hardware.  I have
got my use out of it and will continue to in the future.  In fact, I bet that
a lot of used A3000s will hit the market at good prices.  Depending on your
needs, these might be a good deal.

Commodore is far from perfect, but don't run them down just when they are
starting to get it right.

                                                           /\/\ike Taylor
                                                   A satisfied customer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.misc