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From: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: After the Stork sizes
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:36:54 GMT
Reply-To: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM
Organization: Tektronix, Inc. - Redmond, OR

In article <1992Nov13.200006.4255@adobe.com>, riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle) writes:
|> 
|> Ah, the reason why I love Hanna's.  They fit who they say they will
|> and they aren't outgrown quickly.  Rachel is in a size 90 now and
|> almost into a size 100, but she has size 80's that she can still wear.
|> I bought her size 70's when she was 4 months old and she wore them for
|> over a year.

This isn't necessarily true.  I haven't had the same good experiences
with Hanna Anderson as some others on the net.  I first ordered from
them when my son was about a year old.  I got some baby stretch pants
and a cute striped sunsuit, size 90.  The sunsuit just barely
fit when it first came, and he was out of it within a month, but everything
else was big.  The stretch pants were very thin knit and he put holes
in them within weeks of getting them.  However, two and a half years
later he can still fit into them, that's how big they were.

These things don't launder too well, either.  Mine consistently end
up looking grimier than the rest of the wash, and unlike most of the
other baby clothes I have, you can't bleach them at all without bleaching
out _all_ the color.  With my daughter's diaper blowouts, bleach was a 
must in her wash and her Hannas were the only things that ended up really 
faded.

I recently ordered my daughter some fleece suits and a pair of bubble 
overalls, both size 90 since she was growing out of the size 80's we'd 
received as gifts.  The suits were _huge_ on her, and the overalls were way 
too small.  

I like the Hanna concept, but sizing and quality hasn't been consistent
at all for me.  Not to mention that these things aren't cheap, either.
I don't like to write them off because they're an Oregon company, but
I don't think I'll be doing any more catalog shopping from them.  
Fortunately their stores are accessible to me (including their outlet
store), so I can inspect the stuff before I buy.

Judy Drake

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Tour of the Hospital - What questions to ask?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:17:26 GMT
Summary: more questions


We are taking our tour on 12/5, and my number 1 question is:

	security!

Our hospital has really beefed up security drastically in the
past 2 yrs, the maternity ward even has restricted access, you
can't even gain access to the floor!  There's also locked doors,
video cameras etc etc.  A famous baby-kidnapping out of a hospital
took place not far from this city, thus, severely beefed up security.
Even the daddies need to were bracelets, and all 3 id bracelets have
matching numbers.  

Also, when they id the baby (should be immediately) to prevent
baby switching. (there's tons of babies born at our hospital daily,
thus my concern).  My husband already has strict instructions from
me to stay with that baby!  Don't worry about me, just follow that
baby!  And memorize that baby! 

Yeah I know, I worry about stupid things....

Christine
first-time-mom-2-b (ain't it obvious?) 1/19/93
attme!alcmd
From: joel@saffron.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Joel A. Fine)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Childbirth classes: recommendations?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 00:08:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: saffron.cs.berkeley.edu

Hi,
My wife is due in April '93, our first. Does anyone have recommendations
about which childbirth classes to attend, how to select them, and when
to begin?

E-mail replies to me; I'll post a summary if I get enough responses.

Thanks in advance,

- Joel Fine
joel@cs.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: article@tc.fluke.COM (John F. Berkey)
Subject: Quick Summary (Was RE: Gestational Diabetes)
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:16:45 GMT


I wish to thank everyone who responded, I have not forgotten
about you, It's just that I have been flooded with so many
responses that I have not been able to digest it all. And sense
most of it deals with diet, I guess the above pun was not in to
good of taste, here I go again. 

Anyway after reading the material there were allot of good points
that we were unaware of, such as the possibility of high birth
weight, and that most of the doctors would try to induce labor on
or around the due date. 

My wife is trying to maintain her diet, and the key word here is 
trying. She found it hard to believe that everyone stuck to there 
diet with out a little cheating. 

There was one comment that we both found entertaining. 
Someone said something about not worrying about weighing the chicken out. 
We both got a kick out of that one, because the day before the doctor 
said that she was to try and gain a little weight. 
My wife made the comment that how was she to gain weight on 2 ounces 
of chicken for dinner, and 1 cup of cereal for breakfast.

What she actually said was: "2 bites of chicken for dinner, 
and only 6 bites of cereal for breakfast, I'm going to starve to death."

Anyway thank you for all of your responses, and I will try to E-mail 
all of those who wrote, within the next few days.

Thanks again.

John.
-- 
______________________________________________________________

John F Berkey
Chief Quality Specialist
John Fluke Mfg, Co., Inc.
C.M.M. Dimensional Inspection,
Service Tools Organization

article@tc.fluke.com

Disclaimer: All views and opinions stated here are my own, 
            and in no way represent the views of my employer.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Sleep deprived parents needing help
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:06:37 GMT

dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:


>In a previous article, cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa) says:

>>Yes, I know this theme has been discussed before, but I still
>>need some help.  Up until two weeks ago we had a lovely
>>bedtime routine for our 2.9 year old son.  We gave him
>>a bath, read a couple of stories, and tucked him in. 
>>Now, we have the nighttime from hell at our house.
>>
>>For some reason, he hates being in his room alone.  We
>>have had to stay with him until he falls asleep, which
>>can take up to an hour.  Then like clocke work he is
>>up between 2:15 - 4:15 and wants to come in our room.
>>Instead one of us gets up and stays until he falls
>>asleep in his own bed.  He says he doesn't like his
>>bed or his room and is lonesome.  We leave the hall light on
>>and he has a tape palyer in his room.  Nothing unusual
>>is happening at day care or home.  He has been having
>>problems with fluid in his ears, a cold, and is cutting
>>his last set of molars.

I know I'll probably get flamed for this, but I'm just going to
relate the experiences my wife and I have had (and are still
having, to some degree).

We had this same problem with Cory.  He wanted us to lie in
bed with him and sleep with him.  This is how we handled it:
We read him 2-3 books every night before bedtime.  When we first
started having problems, he would cry when we left the bed, so
for about 3 weeks, one of us would lay in bed with him until he
fell asleep, then we'd leave.  Of course this *usually* meant that
we'd fall asleep to, but it wasn't so bad to get a little nap in.

After 3 weeks, we started by sitting outside his bed in a chair
until he fell asleep, then left.  We did this for about 3 weeks,
then moved onto the next phase of saying we were "going to do some
work in mommy and daddy's bedroom, but we'll be right next
door (our room IS right next to his)".  We did this for about 3
weeks, then we graduated to "Mommy and daddy have work to go 
downstairs, but we can still hear you really good and we'll be
back up later to check on you".  In addition, we waived a "magic
wand" over his bed and said a magic phrase to get rid of all bad
dreams.  Now, we have no problems kissing him goodnight and having
him stay in bed.  The only problem, and it's really not a problem
for us, so I shouldn't classify it as a problem, is that Cory still
jumps in bed with us sometimes in the middle of the night.  Seeing
as how we don't figure he'll be doing this forever, seeing as how
we still sleep, seeing as how it's not EVERY night, and Cory feels
good and seems well adjusted, we're going to continue letting him
jump in bed with us when he does.

Anyway, this is what works for us and we don't lose sleep anymore.
Hope this helps . . . 

allen

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: leeba@mot.com (Leeba Salzman)
Subject: Re: Episotomy...What my doctor said...Is this true?  Anyone NOT have one?
Reply-To: leeba@mcil.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Communications Israel Ltd., Tel Aviv
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:48:16 GMT

In article <3916@master.CNA.TEK.COM> judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM writes:
>
>P.S. _My_ advice for an easier birth and post-birth is: KEGELS, KEGELS, 
>AND MORE KEGELS!! ;^)
>

I agree, but isn't there is an issue of tiring out the muscles?  I recall
reading in a book about exercise during and after pregnancy that you should
not overdo with Kegels.
   
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: Re: What do you do when your kid things Metallica is cool?
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:04:29 GMT

>OK, now I want to get on my soapbox. First of all, I am not against
>any kind of music. That said, the problem I have is with very loud music.
>Very loud music does lead to hearing loss. 
>[...]

If you can convince kids of this (and that may be the hard part!) you might
try going to a gun shop to find some shooter's ear plugs.  I have a small set
that came in a little container which clips to my keychain - so I have them
with me all the time.  I use them when I'm out, and the music gets to loud,
when I'm using power tools, or running the yard tractor.  Very convenient.

Ken
---
staffan@serum.kodak.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: baby@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (maureen.paone)
Subject: re: Birth Story (long)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:11:54 GMT
Keywords: Amy's birth story and csection 

From cbnewsj!att-out!pacbell.com!sgiblab!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!cs.utexas.edu!oakhill!amym Fri Nov 20 09:53:27 EST 1992
Article: 55255 of misc.kids
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bparrish@rose.hp.com (Bill Parrish)
Subject: Re: Request: activities for mountain vacation
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:39:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HP - Systems Technology Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

A couple of suggestions...

(1)  Pick up (or take along) one of those little plastic snow
dishes (about 2.5 feet across) with a long rope attached.  You
can probably put both kids in it and pull them around in the
snow.  The ski areas probably won't let you have them in those
areas, however, unless they have something like a sled hill... but
the kids (mine anyway at that age) enjoy being pulled around in 
the little dish... (usually the bigger one holds on to the littler 
one).

(2)  If it snows while you are up there, take a walk the morning
after... and look for tracks in the snow.  Let the kids try to guess
what kind of animal made the tracks.  

(3)  You might rent showshoes for everyone... perhaps the little one
would be happier in a backpack, though.  Take some short walks around.
(I don't know the area you are going to... but we usually go to Yosemite
at New Years and I always take the kids on a couple of nature hikes of
some sort...)

(4)  At Yosemite we usually see some raccoons in among the cabins
in the winter... these are fun to watch, but you need to keep a 
short leash on the kids so they don't get BIT.  The coons are so tame
at Yosemite, they may run up your leg... and have trouble telling
fingers from food (I don't condone feeding them, but that's why
they hang around the cabins...).

(5)  If you have a tradition at home of reading bedtime stories... do 
it on vacation also.  If not, give it a try instead of the tube...
I usually try to pick up something with a rural theme for a vacation...
but my kids are a bit older.  (Even Frosty the Snow man might be fun).

Have fun,

Bill


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: karl@hsr.no (Karl Martin Lund)
Subject: "Key children", children with parents at work.
Followup-To: misc.kids
Keywords: keychildren
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:59:00 GMT


Sorry for this cross-post, but activity is pretty low in alt.child-support,
so I thought it best to send this article to this newsgroup too.

Some friends of mine are working on a papir on what we in Norwegian call
key-children. It's children in the age about five to twelve years who
for some reason have no parents at home when they for instance arrive home
after school. The reason may be that the parents are at work. The children
then have their own key, and have to spend time on their own at home.

They (my friends that is, not the children) are trying to find out if this
will have any effect on the kids in any way.

But these friends suffer from a lack of material. Is there anybody out there
who are able to help out? If you've read any books or articles about this
subject, or have any comments on your own, please mail me or send
followups.

BTW, is there an English term for key-children? 
 
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: frank@trout.TTI.COM (Lorraine Frank)
Subject: ********
Reply-To: frank@trout.TTI.COM (Lorraine Frank)
Organization: Transaction Technology, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:52:50 GMT

I have a question for the netland.  

My son Adam is 9 years old.  He is an average nine year old
maybe a little overly sensitive but in general a good kid.

Recently I have noticed that he gets angry over nothing.
Yesterday, he was playing basketball with another kid, Adam
missed catching the ball so the other kid went after it and
accidently Adam got pushed into a table ( not very hard - I was
there and he barely bumped it ) and all of the sudden he 
was yelling at this kid like he had done it on purpose.

This morning he got a really nasty tone in his voice when the 
sitter asked him to get ready for school.  He was playing with
his legos and said "I TOLD YOU TO TELL ME WHEN IT WAS 7:30 NOT
7:15 NOW GET OUT OF HERE" I normally am not around in the morning
but I had overslept so I heard this exchange.

Thirdly, when I dropped him off at soccar practice the other day
there were two boys at the park, before he even gets out of the 
car he says "OH, GREAT JOEY AND VICTOR ARE HERE NOW PRACTICE IS RUINED"

I don't know if this is age appropriate behavior and is just something
that will eventually pass or is it something else ?  I asked him if
everything is okay with school etc but he says everything is fine.

I know that it is okay to show anger and you shouldn't suppress it 
but he has been flying off the handle for no reason.

Help,  my husband and I are at a loss we are both people who try and
"go with the flow" 

-Lorraine Frank
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ann@cco.caltech.edu (Ann Terese Heil)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Computer Programs for Pre-school
Date: 18 Nov 1992 23:44:50 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

There are a number of preschool computer programs available via
anonymous ftp from wuarchive.wustl.edu, in directory /mirrors/msdos/education.
There is a brief description of the files available in 00-index.txt
(which is in the same directory).  Be sure to download the files as
binary files.  A seesion would look something like this:               

ftp wuarchive.wustl.edu 
login: anonymous
password: your full email address
cd mirrors
cd msdos
cd education
binary
more 00-index.txt  [if you need a list of files and descriptions]
get filename
get otherfilename
quit

My son is 2.75 years and he enjoys "babydraw" and "abc430" that we downloaded
from the above site.  Note also that the files are all compressed using .ZIP.
You can unload a decompression routine from the same site:
 /mirrors/msdos/starter/UNZIP50.EXE

Have fun!
ann
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Tour of the Hospital - What questions to ask?
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:39:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I'm going to tour the hospital's maternity facilities tomorrow 
evening, so I'm preparing a list of questions to ask.  This is my 
first time, so I'm hoping experienced mothers will be able to 
suggest more questions.

Thanks!

- Peggy -
**************************************************************

Questions to Ask on Hospital Tour:

o How many coaches are allowed?

o Do medical students, student nurses, or residents work here?

o Who will be checking on the mother prior to her doctor's 
  arrival?  
  o Is she assigned one nurse, or will there be several?
  o How much time does the nurse spend with the mother?  
  o How many of the nurses are nurse/midwives?

o What are routine hospital procedures for women in labor (IV,
  fetal monitoring, enema, shaving).

o Is the mother moved from the birthing room to another room?  If 
  so, how long after the birth?

o How long after birth can the (healthy) baby stay with the
  parents, before having the routine tests?

o Can the father be with the baby during routine tests?

o How long immediately after birth can the (healthy) baby stay in the 
  mother's room?

o How frequently and how long can the baby be in the mother's 
  room during her stay?

o How long do most women stay after the birth?

o What accommodations/procedures are there for breast feeding?
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: After the Stork Long Underwear
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:02:55 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

I was getting ready to order Rachel some new long john's from After
the Stork when I noticed this tidbit:

"New this season, these wonderful underwear sets are now treated for
flame retardancy and meet government flammability standards."

Well, bah!  However, they are still 100% cotton.  So, does anyone know
if they will feel differently with the flame retardancy stuff?  If I
throw these in with regular detergent, it should just wash out, right?

My main gripe with flame retardancy garments is that they are usually
100% polyester and just don't feel as good as 100% cotton; now I'm at
a loss.  I don't know if I should dislike these new long john's or
not!

 Kathie
-- 
riggle@adobe.com
From: arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Angus H Rodgers)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Please Don't Spank!
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:32:29 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <135890003@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com>
pt@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Perry Taidi) writes:

>I believe obediance is dangerous, because the child learns to follow someone
>elses reasoning (or emotions) rather than their own and this  will not  stop
>with only their parents.  they will not work on developping their own reasoning
>and they will be very much in danger of "obeying" anyone
>with higher power or might. This person can be any adult when they are
>children, and any one with with higher power when they are adults. If you are
>interested in this aspect I would refer you to the analysis of why the
>German people followed Hitler and did the most "unhuman" things , from a 
>psychological point of view, by Alice Miller. I have personally seen the 
>consequences of a whole nation going under when the wrong person is at the
>power point and the majority of people have been taught to "obey authority".

An interesting, and terrifying, book on this subject is Stanley
Milgram's "Obedience to Authority", published in the UK by Tavistock,
and simultanously in the USA by Harper & Row, in 1974.

(NB Milgram's book is all about relationships between adults, and has no
references to spanking!)
--
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Queen Mary & Westfield College, Mile End | approximate is something quite diff-
Road, London, England.   +44 71 975 5241 | erent from the approximate truth of 
E-mail (JANET):   arodgers@dcs.qmw.ac.uk | a property said to be exact."J.Nicod
From: neal@hpcndm.CND.HP.COM (Neal Bauer)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 07:25:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Drugs for noses (was Re: vaporizer, anyone?  replaces decongestant
Organization: HP Network and System Management Division
Newsgroups: misc.kids

Plain saline nose drops have given Phoebe (and me!) a lot of relief.
They thin the nasal mucus and make it drain away.  This won't relieve
sinus congestion or prevent ear infections, but it does clear up her
stuffy nose so that she can breathe and sleep.  It doesn't have side
effects.  And, unlike the bulb syringe nasal aspirator, Phoebe doesn't
mind it a bit!

The stuff I've used is a generic 0.65% sodium chloride solution,
packaged in a squeeze bottle, and labelled "Saline Nasal Spray".

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ran@cbnews.cb.att.com (Robert A. Neinast)
Subject: You know you're a parent of 3 when . . .
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:08:34 GMT


you get *very* good at reading upside-down, because when
you try to read them a story right-side up (or upside-right,
as son Reid says), there's room for one on the left,
and room for one on the right, and room for a fight over
who sits in my lap, so I just line 'em up, face them,
and read it that way.


Bob
-- 
                                                                  _
". . . and shun the frumious Bandersnatch."                 Nipetlahuini.
Robert Neinast (ran@cblpo.att.com)
AT&T-Bell Labs
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: a milestone
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:59:48 GMT

Well, I can`t pretend that Melinda is a pretty averages
sort of baby anymore.  She'll be 6 months old next week, 
and this week she started to crawl.  Not roll or creep, 
this is a full-fledged crawl! 

I dug out my baby development books & sure enough Melinda
is *early*.  I showed the book to her & informed her, "See,
you aren't supposed to be doing this yet.  It says so right
here!  And, I'm not ready for this!!"   Didn't do me any
good.  :) :)

Sigh.  And my pediatrician kept saying that big babies
(she's closing in on 19 lbs) might be slow to reach the
physical milestones.  I had hoped we'd make it through
Christmas.  

Ah well, I guess things are only starting to get exciting;
she's definitely trying to pull-up on stuff. I guess she'll
be an early walker too.  I just didn't expect such an 
easy-going, good-natured, big baby to be this active. 

Elise --
Proud mama of Melinda & Sabrina.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mayal@microsoft.com (Maya Lerch)
Subject: Re: episiotomies.....your doctor is lazy
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:56:07 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

My midwife told me the best way to avoid an episiotomy was massaging
the perineum daily with some sort of oil (I can't remember exactly
what kind but obviously it was non-petroleum), gently stretching the
area as you massage. It seems to have worked for me--my second baby 
weighed 9-1/2 pounds and had a very large head, but I had no problems 
getting him out without an episiotomy.

- Maya
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