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From: malcolm@grenada.ign.island.COM (Malcolm Blanchard)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: our school problems
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:08:44 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Island Graphics, Santa Rosa, California

dhosek@hmcvax.claremont.edu writes:

>In article <2ACF197C.2176@ics.uci.edu>, bstarr@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian Joseph Starr) writes:
>> In <BvL4JC.Gq5@well.sf.ca.us> rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:
>> I think part of the problem is that we had so much farther to fall than
>> most other school systems.  I mean, the UC system was probably the best
>> state university in the nation.  It was very well funded, and, I suppose,
>> that made it an obvious target when it came time to slash the budget. As
>> you know, California is also suffering more than usual in this current
>> "downturn", and, on the average, our situation is worse than the nation.
> 
>>>It is my impression that California schools' financial problems are
>>>worse than other states' schools.
>>>If that is true, why?

>Another part of it is that local schools are funded largely
>through property taxes. However, prop 103 (or whatever the number
>was) which froze property tax levels has resulted in rather
>dramatically choking off this source of funding. The property tax
>battles for school funding are waged in other states as well, but
>none have quite the uneven battleground CA has.

>-dh


It is my understanding that the State of California now spends twice 
per capita in inflation-adjusted dollars on education than it did
in the '60s.  This leads me to believe the problem with California
education (and I agree we have a problem) is not that we aren't
spending enough money, but that the money is being spent much less
efficiently and for less real effect than it was 30 years ago.  My
gut feeling is that much of this is due to the increased bureaucracy
caused by sending our dollars through Sacramento and Washington rather
than sending them directly to our local schools.  All those strings
attached to the money as it passes through the State and Federal
government result in larger numbers of local administrators who have
to push the paper instead of teaching our children.

-Malcolm Blanchard
Newsgroups: ca.general,ba.general
From: roy_wells@qm.vitalink.COM (Roy H. Wells)
Subject: Civil War Reenactment in Fresno
Reply-To: roy_wells@qm.vitalink.COM (Roy H. Wells)
Organization: What organization?
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:13:33 GMT

  "The Civil War Revisited" in Fresno

	For those who found themselves riveted to their television sets during the PBS series "The 
Civil War," there is an opportunity to go beyond watching the Civil War through still photos.  
During the weekend of October 10-11, the members of the National Civil War Association 
(NCWA), in affiliation with the Fresno City and County Historical Society, will provide the 
opportunity for the public to "experience" what the Civil War was like.

	During the weekend, NCWA members will present a living history of the Civil War in Kearney 
Park, just east of Fresno, California.  Camps of the Union and Confederate armies of 1863 will 
bring to life the soldiers and civilians of that era.  The members of the NCWA will provide a means 
for visitors to step into the past, to an era when horses, not automobiles, were the means of 
transportation.

	This is a history to delight more than just the eyes.  The public can hear the roar of 
cannons, smell the acrid smoke of the black powder muskets, and feel the thundering hooves of 
horses as they race into combat.

	Although most people come to see the two battles each day, there is more going on at an 
NCWA encampment.  Members of the civilian "Town" will be bartering for goods in a Farmer's 
Market.  Soldiers will be drilling, or writing letters home.  Doctors will examine men for fitness to 
serve.  Each moment is filled with a slice of history brought to life.

	"The Civil War Revisited" is only one of several living history reenactments conducted by 
the NCWA each year throughout Northern California.  During the year, the NCWA generally 
conducts approximately one such event per month from March through November each year.

	In addition to the reenactments, NCWA members also contribute to the education of the 
public about the Civil War by making presentations at schools, civic clubs, and other 
organizations.  Founded in 1983, the NCWA is a non-profit educational organization that serves 
the public through its activities.

	For a recording of information about the NCWA, its activities, and other facts, the NCWA 
maintains an automated telephone line at 408-927-7651.

----
"If you can't reach (age) 70 by a comfortable road, don't go."  --Mark Twain
From: David.Anderman@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: California Aerospace Forums
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Sep 21 1992
Date: 29 Sep 92  08:32:40

California's Aerospace Industry To be the Focus of Forums
 
    The California Space Development Council, a coalition of
pro-space organizations in California, is sponsoring a series of
forums during October to discuss the future of the aerospace
industry in California, and the future direction of America's
space program. 
    On Saturday, October 3, at the Riverside Central Library, 
in downtown Riverside, a congressional candidate forum will be
hosted by the Inland Empire Space Group at 10 am. Among the
candidates invited to the forum are Congressman George Brown,
the current chairman of the House Committee on Space and
Technology, and Dick Rutan, the pilot of the Voyager
around-the-world aircraft. The candidates will address the
issues of preserving aerospace jobs in California, and the
future of the nation's space program.
    On Thursday, October 8, at 7:30 pm at the Reuben H. Fleet Space
Theater in Balboa Park, San Diego, congressional candidates will
discuss aerospace issues and the space program. The event will
be hosted by San Diego L5, a chapter of the National Space
Society.
    On Saturday, October 24, at 10am, at the Sandman Inn, in Santa
Barbara, a forum on the future of the California aerospace
industry will feature representatives of industry and political
figures.
    The general public is invited to attend all of these events and
admission is free.
    For more information on these events or the California Space
Development Council, please contact David Anderman, Events
Coordinator for CSDC, at 714/524-1674.
 

--- Maximus 2.00
From: rlk@VisiCom.COM (Bob Kitzberger)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Theme Towns in CA
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:31:00 GMT
Distribution: ca


Julian, in the mountains east of San Diego.  Gold/mining, apple pie, 
antiques.

	.Bob.
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From: jiliescu@orion.oac.uci.edu (Jon Iliescu)
Subject: For sale
Newsgroups: ca.general
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:31:43 GMT
Distribution: uci, la,ca

I have 1 Guns n' Roses/Metallica concert ticket for October 3rd, at the Rose
Bowl. The ticket is on section 17, row 72, seat 21. The price is $31.50.
Reply to my email address jiliescu@uci.edu if interested.

PS This is the concert that was rescheduled from august 22nd.
From: karen@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Karen Latora)
Subject: Theme Towns 
Newsgroups: ca.general
Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine
Keywords: Ferndale
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:29:09 GMT

I am from Humboldt County and I was up there in August.  Ferndale came out 
pretty good considering how old some of the buildings are.  If you go, make 
sure to see the Gingerbread house and visit all the little shops.  If you 
have been to Disneyland, you will know what it looks like, it looks like 
Disneyland main street.  They say that Disneyland is designed from it.

While in Humboldt County, go see Eureka old town also.  The Carson Mansion 
is really pretty and you can take carriage rides and rides on the bay.

Newsgroups: ca.general,ba.general
From: chguest@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov ( Charles J. Guest )
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Organization:  ... a Republic... if you can keep it.
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 18:40:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.143427.26164@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov> leem@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Lee Mellinger) writes:
=>In article <1992Sep29.201130.23051@riacs.edu> chguest@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov ( Charles J. Guest ) writes:
=>:In California I have only run across one such place ... Solvang which
=>:incorporates a Dutch theme.  The town is sort of a tourist trap,
=>                ^^^^^
=>Dutch Hans Christian Anderson?  Solvang and Hans Christian Anderson
=>are very Danish, Scandinavian not the Low Countries.
=>

Duhhhh... (egg on face look inserted here --  You are of course right.
(insert stupid shallow excuse about being tired and posting to the net
here.)  

:-(  

Charles

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Newsgroups: ca.general
From: ari@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ari Ollikainen)
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:02:39 GMT

Try Columbia, a State Historical Park, in the California "gold rush" 
country.


Newsgroups: ca.general,ca.news,ca.news.group
From: bcain@pyrhard2.eng.pyramid.com (Robert Cain)
Newsgroups: ca.general,ba.general
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:52:47 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Santa Ynez, located near Solvang used to have buildings which from the front
looked like an old western town.



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From: pal@xanadu.wpd.sgi.com (Anil Pal)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: our school problems
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:07:41 GMT
Reply-To: pal@wpd.sgi.com
Distribution: ca
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Oct4.163249.29299@sactoh0.sac.ca.us>, kberry@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Kim A. Berry) writes:
|> 
|> It would be interesting if anyone has the time/resources to provide
|> statistics something like the following:
|> 
|>                                    U.S Born       Immigrant
|>                                    --------       ---------
|> Percent receive foodstamps              %               %
|> Average state income tax bill      $              $

I don't have exactly those numbers, but I do have some others (Source:
Business Week, July 13, 1992 - excerpted without permission):

    Percentage of immigrants in LA county :			>30%
    Percentage of AFDC recipients in LA who are immigrants:	 16%

    Amount paid in taxes by immigrants: 	$90 billion
    Amount received in welfare by immigrants:	 $5 billion

According to Julian L. Simon, a University of Maryland economist,

    "Immigrants benefit natives through the public coffers by using
    LESS THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE OF SERVICES AND PAYING MORE THAN THEIR
    SHARE OF TAXES." (emphasis mine)

Pity the facts don't fit the theory, eh?  Oh well, I don't suppose
that'll trouble Kim too much, given that she obviously formed her
opinions before asking for the facts.

-- 
Anil A. Pal
pal@sgi.com	(415)-390-5279
From: bstarr@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian Joseph Starr)
Subject: Re: Theme Towns in CA
Newsgroups: ca.general
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:17:01 GMT
Distribution: ca

In <1992Sep29.210704.1@cbrown.claremont.edu> dhosek@cbrown.claremont.edu writes:

By the way, Cambria, just north of Morro Bay and south of San Simeon (of Hearst
Castle fame) is a very pretty little town (they call it Cambria of the Pines,
or something like that).  It's full of antique shops, art gallerys, and yuppie
resteraunts, and a pleasent way to spend a day wandering around.  While you're
in the neighborhood, drop by Harmony (just to the south), where you can see
a working glassworks-it's literally a one horse town, with only 14 people or
so.  These, by the way, are all off Hwy 1, 4 hours north of Los Angeles, in
the California Central Coast.

>In article <1992Sep30.011429.1936@genghis.borland.com>, phw@genghis.borland.com (Peter Weyzen) writes:
>> couldn't followup to the original, so here goes.
>
>> Try Santa Cruz - it's got a beach boardwalk, used to be murder capital,
>> got a really cool downtown (well, soon it will).  Films made here:
>> "Lost Boys" and "Killer Klowns".

>Let's see San Dimas has a western theme to its downtown, Pomona
>has a decaying American city theme (quite lifelike too) and let's
>not forget my favorite: Santa Monica, The Home of the Homeless.


>-dh
From: darnold@felix.filenet.com (Dave Arnold)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Theme Towns in CA
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:14:33 GMT
Reply-To: darnold@fritz.filenet.com (Dave Arnold)
Distribution: ca
Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA

Old Town, San Diego.  Mexican/Indian shops, restuarants, and heritage park
victorian homes.
From: raghu@olympus.ICS.UCI.EDU (Raggu de Maggu)
Subject: insulin pills
Newsgroups: ca.general,uci.general
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:53:39 GMT


i heard that there are insulin pills (not injections)
in the market, for diabetic patients.

does anybody have any info/pointers about that?

raghu
(raghu@olympus.ics.uci.edu)
Newsgroups: ca.general,ba.general
From: dream@paisley.arc.nasa.gov (Chima Njaka)
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Reply-To: dream@windchime.arc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Ames
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 00:44:56 GMT

	You might try Mendocino, along the Northern California
	coast, where "Murder She Wrote" is filmed.  It has a
	definite old New England flavor to it.

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Newsgroups: ca.general,alt.california
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 22:35:07 GMT
Distribution: ca

In article <4@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira
r.b. gold trout) writes:
>When's the last time you've been to Bodie?

About 3.5 years ago when I purchased my Trooper.  I always go in the
off season of course.

>it still looked occupied but it just looks too set up.
>Still it was quite interesting.  What made it more interesting was when a
>couple of fighter jets buzzed the town.  It's was probaby Yeager.

Just the contrast of California. 8^)  Gold is very much the theme of CA.

Also Placerville is Hang-Town, what's left of the hangin' tree is still
hangin' out in from of the bar.

We've left out Santa Cruz in Sudden "Go ahead, Make my day" Impact.

And what's it name where Hitchcock filmed The Birds.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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Newsgroups: ca.general,ba.general
From: leem@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Lee Mellinger)
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:34:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.201130.23051@riacs.edu> chguest@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov ( Charles J. Guest ) writes:
:In California I have only run across one such place ... Solvang which
:incorporates a Dutch theme.  The town is sort of a tourist trap,
                ^^^^^
:incorporating lots of little shops, and a number of restaurants and
:wonderful bakeries.  The town is modeled after the Dutch Hans CHristain
                                                    ^^^^^ !!!!
:Anderson theme with windmills and appropriate structures and
:architecture.
:
:Thanks!
:Charles

Dutch Hans Christian Anderson?  Solvang and Hans Christian Anderson
are very Danish, Scandinavian not the Low Countries.


Lee

"Mit Pulver und Blei, die Gedanken sind frei."

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|leem@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV
From: dhosek@hmcvax.claremont.edu
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: our school problems
Date: 4 Oct 92 22:39:08 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Quixote Digital Typography

In article <1992Oct4.163249.29299@sactoh0.sac.ca.us>, kberry@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Kim A. Berry) writes:
> In article <BvL4JC.Gq5@well.sf.ca.us> rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:

>>It is my impression that California schools' financial problems are
>>worse than other states' schools.
>>If that is true, why?
 
> If that is true I suspect that a primary factor is the high number
> of immigrants and the continued high birthrate of those immigrants.

Hardly. The bulk of school funding comes from local sources. Why
do you think that public schools in Orange County are so
different from  public schools in Pomona? 
 
> A dual income couple that owns home with one or two children pays
> several thousand dollars per year in state taxes. U.S. born
> residents are more likely to fall into this category.
 
> Families that rent apartments or double up in housing or have a
> large number of children pay far less in state income and property
> taxes, and if they receive food stamps or welfare, they receive
> more then they contribute. Immigrants disproportionately fall into
> this category.
 
So what are you saying? That poor people shouldn't be able to get
a free public education? Or a good public education? Don't feel
threatened: a survey of public schools in areas with different
socioeconomic levels will show that you're merely reflecting the
status quo.

And I doubt that your claim that the woes are due to immigrants
would stand up to your claims. For one thing, they don't really
amount to that big a portion of the school population in most
areas, and the areas where they do would not be doing well anyway
since local tax revenues are rather low.

> Assuming an annual cost of $4000 to educate a student for a year,

Except of course that it's unlikely that poor districts can spend
anywhere near that per student since they don't have the money to
do so.

> it costs taxpayers $288,000 to provide K-12 education for a single
> family with six children. In spite of this impact, the state
> provides tax deductions based on the number of children. Clearly
> small families are subsidizing large families, and large families 
> -- due to immigration -- are more prevalent in California.

And childless people are subsidizing even more, no? Which is why
areas which have large numbers of senior citizens have low school
quality. (I've heard "My kids are out of school now, why the hell
should I vote for a tax increase?" far too many times.)
 
-dh
From: Arthur_P_Bebak@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Bruce Springsteen Tix For Sale
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 18:28:06 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
From: Arthur_P_Bebak@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Bruce Springsteen Tix For Sale
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 18:29:38 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ca

I find myself in the possesion of two extra Bruce Springsteen tickets to the 
Oct. 8 show at Shoreline Amphitheatre. Lawn seeting/general admission.
I would like to sell them, and what the hey, might as well be to the
highest bidder. I will be on vacation until Oct. 4, so if you send in your
bid via e-mail ($ and a phone number) I'll pick the highest bid on that
date, and they are yours.

I suspect that these tix will go fast, so bid high and bid often. Proceeds
will go towards a romantic lust evening with my girlfriend (now you know
it's a good cause....)

Arthur
shrike@cup.portal.com

"Follow the SPAM!"
From: bstarr@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian Joseph Starr)
Subject: Re: our school problems
Newsgroups: ca.general
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:19:08 GMT
Distribution: ca

In <BvL4JC.Gq5@well.sf.ca.us> rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:
I think part of the problem is that we had so much farther to fall than
most other school systems.  I mean, the UC system was probably the best
state university in the nation.  It was very well funded, and, I suppose,
that made it an obvious target when it came time to slash the budget. As
you know, California is also suffering more than usual in this current
"downturn", and, on the average, our situation is worse than the nation.

>It is my impression that California schools' financial problems are
>worse than other states' schools.
>If that is true, why?
>--
>Robert Chao
>Oakland, California
Newsgroups: ca.general,ba.general
From: emmett@igor.tamri.com (Emmett A. Cunningham)
Subject: Re: Looking for 'theme' towns in California
Organization: Toshiba America MRI Inc, S. San Francisco, CA.
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 16:25:25 GMT


How about Ferndale, CA? It's up in Humboldt County. It has sorta of a 1900's
feel about it. Ferndale even has a small country type store that feels like
you are in 1900, complete with some merchandise from that era.

Though I don't know how it is since the quake earlier this year.

-- 
emmett@tamri.com
   "First we did it, then we did it right, and then we did it fast"