From: robert@informix.com (Robert Coleman)
Newsgroups: soc.men
Subject: Re: Bashing Behaviors
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:42:35 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:

>In article <1992Sep12.152046.10646@tfs.com> ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
>>dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber) writes:
>>>
>>>No, I think you missed his point.  The point was that when men pass such
>>>lists, women get offended.  Yet women are allowed open season on men.  Try
>>>making a little tour through the greeting cards in your drugstore sometime
>>>and count the number of male-bashing cards.  I don't recall ever having seen
>>>the converse.  There are also coffee mugs, bumper stickers, etc...
>>
>>This occurs to me too. There is a 'beer vs. women' T-shirt, and that's
>>about all I've seen vs.-women, not like I'm looking or anything.
>>A lot of noise from (some) women whereas I don't get the same impression
>>about men.

>"Not like I'm looking or anything..."  That's the point.  You've
>missed a lot of it.  How about: Andrew Dice Clay; Eddie Murphy;
>endless jokes about the smell of female genitals (what two things
>smell like fish?  one is fish); endless jokes about PMS and
>menstruation; all the blonde jokes (you think they're talking about
>blond men?); a t-shirt with a naked woman mounted like a stuffed fish
>with the slogan "mount your catch"; jokes about Jewish American
>Princesses; jokes about bitches; jokes about fat women.

	Just out of curiousity, what do you suppose would happen if you passed
around some Andrew Dice Clay quotes at work?  What happened when Andrew Dice
Clay went on Arsenio's talk show?
	Most of the stuff you describe get's it's humor from "shock value", and
shock doesn't happen if the event is common.  Even so, the papers will dun
Andrew or Murphy, demonstrations will occur, etc.  What they're doing isn't
PC, and it will be attacked.

	Sadly, this list isn't "shocking" at all.  Just business as usual...

	For some reason, however, folks seem to want to defend this list as
harmless.  I don't think Andrew is harmless, though his potential to harm is
almost non-existant in a society that drowns his messages in a torrent of
acceptable male-bashing.  What do you think of this list?  Is it harmful?
	I *am* looking, and I see Andrew getting attacked on every side, while
I listen to women comics on HBO or Lifetime rail on against men with nary a
quibble.  Roseanne had a special on HBO not too long ago that I eventually had
to turn off, but there weren't any demonstrations, and her man-hating 
statements didn't make the news...perhaps because, in the broad sense of the 
word, they *weren't* news...

>And here in soc.men:  Rivero's cute sig "I love women, it's the
>bitches I hate!"  (You'd be happy with a woman's sig being "I love
>men, it's the pricks I hate!"?  That would be fine, because you know
>you're not a prick?)

	Uh...yeah?  I wouldn't have a problem with that.  That would be fine.
It's not men-bashing at all...it set's up a clear distinction between good
men and bad.

>And the newest round of female bashing about how single mothers drive
>their mates to abandon them and then raise kids from hell.

	You're confusing the issue; we're talking about humor, not serious
political debate.  Or do you know of jokes based on the above issue?

Robert C.
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