HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: runelord@prax
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.sport.fencing
Date: 5 Oct 1992 17:04:41 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Federal, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: runelord@prax.EBay.Sun.COM (David Williams)
NNTP-Posting-Host: filly.ebay.sun.com
Keywords: fencing, foil, epee, sabre


In article <1992Oct5.151230.4608@mailhost.bl.cad.slb.com>,
quigley@boston.sinet.slb.com (Joe Quigley) writes:
> 
> A friend in the office told me that fencing was getting some discussion,
> but I missed the dialogue.  Is there anyone still interested in starting
> a new group regarding fencing?
> 
> If it does not get enough interest for a news group, are there any
> USFA or IFE fencers out there that would like to open a dialogue via
> news or Internet directly?


Likewise.  A co-worker mentioned that there was someone trying to start
a fencing newsgroup.  I found the original article, but I haven't seen
any discussion on the idea.  I would be interested in such a group.
I'd particularly like it if people would be willing to post info about
clubs, classes, tournaments, and other fencing related events.

--Dave
Xref: sparky news.groups:18441 rec.music.bluenote:7446
From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: HELP! Info about alt. newsgroup creation wanted
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:47:02 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

How do you start an alt. group?  I'd like information, please, because
I believe there is some interest in an alt.frp.champions or
alt.games.champions.  Please send a reply via email, as I rarely check
these areas.  Thanks in advance.
 
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From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.motorcycles.euro
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:56:47 PDT
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Disorganized Organization


i'm for it.  

before r.m.h & .d & ba.m i was against it, but i have seen the light.
having the division makes it easier to sort through stuff.

rec.motorcycles.euro makes sense.

i guess that means rec.motorcycles.japanese makes sense too.

that leaves r.m with DOD, accessories, countersteering (calm down martin),
ride announcements and other general stuff.

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: grig0009@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: RFD Alternative Medicine
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:31:30 GMT

Perhaps the most efficient solution would be to have two groups:

     soc.alt-med.discussion
       and
     soc.alt-med.naysayers

-Freedom without moderation

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(disclaimer)
Chauncey Griggs
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From: c188-bu@po.berkeley.edu (Gregory German)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.arts.marching vs. rec.marching
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:52:42 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

I haven't read any of the discussion on this group yet, but for
what it's worth, I like rec.marching.drumcorps the best out of
what's been proposed.  I think it's a good idea to leave room
for rec.marching.whatever as well.

Sorry if this is a terribly misinformed posting, but there were
260 unread articles in this group, and I don't know how to look
for keywords. . .

Greg
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:24:14 GMT

>>You've made the point that John Coltrane did not play much blues.
>
>Who made this point??

Richard Shapiro said something like "you don't go to the blues bins in
a record store looking for the music of John Coltrane".

>I guess I better throw away my cd called "Coltrane
>Plays the Blues"........

Yeah, I was going to answer that there are probably dozens of record
stores on this green earth that would file COLTRANE PLAYS THE BLUES
under "Blues".

But it appears that for some purists, anything that isn't in the Muddy
Waters/B.B. King vein is not "really" blues.

Oh well.


--Gidi

Newsgroups: news.groups
From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 05:49:46 GMT

In article <RSHAPIRO.92Sep27170548@kariba.bbn.com> rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) writes:
>2. For every jazz tune that's built on a blues structure, I can name
>one that's built on some so-called standard (an example of a standard
>is "Body and Soul"). The same point could be made about ballads, and
>quite possibly about tunes borrowed from Broadway, not even to mention
>all the jazz that doesn't use *any* previous form as a basis. Charlie
>Parker was a fine blues player, but his great breakthrough came with
>improvisations built out of songs like "I Got Rhythm", "Cherokee" and
>"Honeysuckle Rose", none of which are blues. John Coltrane was most
>fond of using "My Favorite Things", which could hardly be further from
>blues. 

Bird said you could never play too many blues.   As for the
breakthrough, I don't think it "came with" those song forms you
mentioned more than it "came with" the blues.  If you are saying his
innovative harmonic procedures did not come from the blues, that is
correct.  But that is isolating the technique from the aesthetic.
You could turn the argument on its head and say he expanded the blues
aesthetic so it incorporated these advanced harmonic procedures.

There have been cases where classical composers have written
compositions with the so called "blue notes".  Yet they don't come off
sounding like the blues.  That is because the notes are correct, but the
feeling is not known by persons in that tradition.

Again, Coltrane's innovations hardly stemmed from anything in the form
of My Favorite Things.  I would guess that Trane liked MFT because he
could play an extended form in a minor key, and follow it with an
extended form in the major key.  However, I think many of his screams
and multiphonics and pulsating vibrato have much in common with vocal
techniques of blues singers.  Just as do James Brown's vocal style.

Count Basie once played at the Ann Arbor Blues festival, and was asked
how he felt playing at a blues festival, and he said "I am the Blues".
Ornette Coleman played at the same festival.

Ellington had a keen sense of the blues, and always had the strongest
blues players in his band, such as Hodges, Bigard, Miley, and
Williams.  Even in his non-blues compositions, he usage the dominant 7
sharp 9 chords suggests the blues, with the blue notes of a minor third
and minor 7th on a major chord. 

Miles Davis wasn't too fond of the word "jazz", but he never objected
to the word "blues" in describing the feeling of his music.

I think there is some essence of the blues that is at the heart of all
styles of jazz.  I think that you would get a consensus from most jazz 
musicians.

Jeff
Xref: sparky news.groups:18450 rec.music.bluenote:7456
From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: r.m.bluenote --> r.m.jazz + r.m.blues (was: rec.music.jazz)
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:45:48 GMT
	<RSHAPIRO.92Sep28120124@kariba.bbn.com> <BvArqL.ro@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu's message of Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:42:21 GMT

In article <BvArqL.ro@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer) writes:
   I disagree even more.  The 12 bar blues were just as important as the
   Rhythm and Cherokee changes.  

But not *more* important. That's what stands out to my ears.  Blues is
one of several important influences on Bird's music, but not a
singularly important one. The same, I believe, holds for most major
figures over the history of jazz.

   Of course, when you talk about aesthetics, it is a subject in which
   rigorous definitions are not possible.


Yes, I know. I wasn't really expecting you to come up with a rigorous
definition of blues aesthetic, since I couldn't come up with one
myself. I was looking more for some slightly more concrete hints (see
below).

   There is much about blues and
   jazz that are different, but I think there is an essence in common.
   There is not much more I can say. 


I realize that talking about music at this level is tricky, and that
we may have gone as far as we can in this particular debate. Still,
I'm trying to get a handle on this essence that other people hear, and
that I don't hear. Instead of an essence, I hear a series of what
might be called (after Wittgenstein) overlapping family relationships.
I can recognize jazz even though there's no one, single ancestor at
the root of all its various sub-families (ie, no essence).  Maybe we
just have to agree to disagree.


   I don't hear it in country music.


Really? You don't hear a striking blues aesthetic in, say, Hank
Williams? I have to say, I hear *lots* more blues here than I do in
Bird (taking their recording careers as a whole into account).



   Individual players may have exceptions,
   but as you look into the movements they belong to, you will find more
   of the blues roots.

I don't disagree. I only claim that you'll find several other, equally
important roots.
From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: rec.sport.swordfighting
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:42:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: ulogic.306
Organization: negligable

It would also probably draw SCAers and perhaps Errol Flynn fans
discussing movie & stage swordfighting.  Ok, the second is not
very likely, but SCA-type swordfighting would fall under this
name and be VERY different than the fencing-oriented msgs.


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From: bob@beamlab.ps.uci.edu (bob prohaska)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.386bsd
Newsgroups: news.groups
Organization: university of california, irvine
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:33:11 GMT

In article <BvpwHF.Gy0@uunet.uu.net>, pauls@umich.edu (Paul Southworth) writes:
> 
> PROPOSAL:
> 
> Here's a proposal for an UNMODERATED group in comp.os.* dedicated
> to the 386bsd operating system developed by Bill and Lynne Jolitz.
>  
> 
> This RFD proposes a SINGLE UNMODERATED newsgroup, named
> comp.os.386bsd to service the entire 386bsd community.
> 
> My informal polls have shown that the vast majority of 386bsd users
> favor the creation of (initially) only ONE new group for 386bsd traffic.

Count one vote in favor.

bob
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: RESULT: sci.virtual-worlds.apps passes 133:8
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:47:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.074630.6061@u.washington.edu> cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson) writes:

>However, I do respect David Lawrence's thoughtful sugges-
>tion to revisit the situation through a revote

I do believe that David Lawrence said he thought that the situation
did not need a revote?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
Xref: sparky news.groups:18619 rec.motorcycles:34375
From: gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.motorcycles.euro
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:54:38 GMT
Organization: Nihon Sun Microsystems - Atsugi Technical Centre - JAPAN.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ale.japan.sun.com
Summary: Another rec.moto split proposal... Now where did I put those earplugs?
Keywords: rescript, Honiara, deemster, Bonnard, prestidigitator, frog

In article <1992Sep30.185648.587@halfdome.sf.ca.us> bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us \
(bob pasker) writes:
%  
% i'm for it...
%  
% ...that leaves r.m with DOD, accessories, countersteering (calm down martin),
% ride announcements and other general stuff.
%  

   We seem to waste so  much bandwidth and time on  "wreck.something.else"
   discussions that I vote we create "rec.motorcycles.split" and have done
   with it.

   Alternatively, we could create "rec.motorcycles.bide.a.wee.thread"  and
   banish  all  discussion   of  splits,  countersteering   (on  and   off
   shatfties),  llamas,  Lacszlick's  driveway,  DOD  embossed  codpieces,
   jumpstarting your  bike from  a rhinoceros/747,  and the  traffic-light
   sensor from hell thence.

---

   "Pretentious? ...Moi?!?" - Miss Piggy

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  | John Little  - gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM  - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan | 
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From: johnl@yang.earlham.edu (John Fiskio-Lasseter)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: CFD for *.apathy newsgroups
Date: 2 Oct 92 04:39:19 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <9209300742.AA14369@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu>, FURRJK@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU (Joel Furr) writes:

> Please comment on these proposed newsgroups and on any others you think
> might have merit: news.groups.apathy? rec.arts.startrek.apathy? etc. etc.

I don't care.  Whatever you want.
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Xref: sparky news.groups:18723 rec.music.bluenote:7630
From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Arrogance in r.m.bluenote (was Re: r.m.bluenote --> ...)
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:33:00 GMT
	<RJC.92Oct3161827@daiches.cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
Organization: One of these days for sure
X-News: HERMES MMAIL 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992

In <RJC.92Oct3161827@daiches.cogsci.ed.ac.uk> rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley) writes:

>In article <SINGH.92Oct1040519@julius.cs.uiuc.edu>, Rajendra Singh (rs) writes:

>>>>>> On 27 Sep 92 23:48:57 GMT, rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) said:
>rsk> Secondly, you would have had no problem finding the newsgroup if you
>rsk> had read the postings in news.announce.newusers, which ALL new Usenet
>rsk> users should read, and all users should be familiar with.

>rs> This is an example of the arrogance 

>This isn't arrogance it is simply idealism. It ignores the fact that
>the net is full of clueless news administrators. It shouldn't be
>possible for people to start reading news without reading n.a.n.

    I think, if the readers of r.m.bluenote are ever to overcome this
reputation for arrogance that we seem to have on the net, we had better
lead the way in changing the net's perception of these users who can't
find n.a.n. 
    I propose, that if every time you see someone use the phrase
" clueless newbie", you explain that it's not their fault, and suggest
" manually challenged " would be a better phrase to use, this undeserved
reputation for arrogance will go away eventually.


-- 
       John Henders      jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca
    I think your "evolutionary scale" needs an adjustment.  Either 
      that, or you've got your thumb on it. -> (lefty@apple.com)
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: kring@efes.physik.uni-kl.de (Thomas Kettenring)
Subject: Re: RFD Alternative Medicine
Organization: FB Physik, Universitaet Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:20:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.212542.14351@netcom.com>, adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams) writes:
>	Given the demonstration of unbiased communications those with a
>scientific orientation have displayed thus far, however, it may need to be a
>moderated group to permit unbiased discussions to take place.

What is unbiased discussion?  For that you seem to need people without
opinion (opinion leads to bias).  These people - let's assume they exist -
obviously can't discuss opinions but only facts.  Unfortunately with the
chosen subject there are no facts, only opinions.

Conclusion:  You don't want unbiased discussion, you want a group with postings
biased in the direction of your opinion, forbidding unwelcome criticsm.
That's not even discussion.

--
thomas kettenring, 2 dan, kaiserslautern, germany
Science is like democracy - it's not perfect, but it's the best thing available.
From: huy@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.marching
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:36:21 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Sep30.104653.15966@husc3.harvard.edu>, fath1@husc8.harvard.edu
(Michael Fath) writes:
> In article <1992Sep29.182924.28462@oclc.org> hch@oclc.org (Curtis Hunter)
writes:
>>In article <BvAK0n.C9B@uunet.uu.net> pae@blackcat.stortek.com
 (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>>>Request for Discussion
>>>
>>>Newsgroup: rec.arts.marching
>>>
>>>Purpose: Discussion of Drum & Bugle Corps, Bands, and Color Guards
>>>
>>>--phil
>>>pae@blackcat.stortek.com
>> 
>>   I don't know if we've had enough discussion about the naming convention
 yet  to be issuing a CFD?  No one really addressed the question I raised about
 Why   to place the group under rec.arts.*.  I used the example of
 rec.music before,   let me try again.  If you look at the rec.* groups, many
 of them could be considered arts.  But they do not contain arts in their
 group name.  Example rec.music.*.  Just wondering why the .arts should be
 included?
>>
>> 
> I agree.  I don't think there is any inherent reason why arts must be part
> of the name.  I'd be happy with a
> 
> rec.marching.drumcorps
> and the option of a rec.marching.bands
> 
> 
> 

I just wanted to add my two cents here.  I agree with Michael.  Why should arts
be part of the name?  I know some people have expressed concern about the
length of the name and have wanted to keep drumcorps out of the name.  I
strongly believe that drumcorps should be part of the name.  I only recently
discovered the news system here, and if drumcorps had not been part of
alt.drumcorps, I wouldn't have found that newsgroup.  Therefore, I believe that
that Michael's suggestion, rec.marching.drumcorps, is a good one.  The name is
short, to the point, and includes the word drumcorps.

J.S.  

Newsgroups: news.groups
From: db@seachg.uucp (David Bell)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.music.jazz
Reply-To: db@seachg.UUCP (David Bell)
Organization: Sea Change Corporation, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:16:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.202843.23214@Csli.Stanford.EDU> glad@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad) writes:
>
>But what is missing from this discussion is some input from the blues
>people.  I haven't yet seen one post (in this round anyway) saying, 
>"yeah, there's interest in a blues-only group."
>
>-- Clay

OK, I'll bite. I have been reading bluenote for almost four years now, and
have written a few articles. I would love to see a blues-only group, so I
wouldn't have to wade through a lot of jazz articles to find something I'm
interrested in. People who like both kinds of music can read both groups.
Whats the problem with that ?

The discussion this time round seems to be a bit more animated than the
last few times the subject came up. Maybe it's time we put it to a vote.


-- 
Dave Bell

Sea Change Corporation        
Mississauga, Ontario, Canada    
...!uunet!uunet.ca!seachg!db   
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: Re: TT is Table Tennis (Re: TT newsgroup)
Reply-To: J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov>
Organization: AS&M Inc
	<JAAPJL.92Oct1142415@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov> <BvH9Ex.3GI@world.std.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:40:56 GMT

In article <BvH9Ex.3GI@world.std.com> bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum) writes:

   I'm glad somebody explained that!  I would have thought they were proposing
   a comp.sys.atari.tt newsgroup.  Instead, I think a table tennis group would
   be called rec.sport.table-tennis, or rec.sport.pingpong.

As I expect it will be.  Since this isn't an official RFD, Dave L
didn't get to proofread it, and some slightly careless poster didn't
choose a good Subject line.
--
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    employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at
         NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD Alternative Medicine
Date: 4 Oct 1992 17:00:24 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <16764@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>This clearly is a subject of interest to readers.  It could
>include accupuncture, herbalism, homeopathy, megadose vitamin
          quackery     quackery    quackery      quackery
>therapies, chiropractic, holistic medicine, visualization,
               quackery     quackery            quackery
>and many other alternative methods that have yet to receive
                     quackeries
>acceptance by the mainstream scientific community.

,,,because they're all quackery that has been proven not to work.

>One problem would be the name.  Alt.medicine would be a natural,
>but the alt groups have already got another purpose.  
>Soc.medicine.alternative?  I'm sure others will have better suggestions.

As long as you don't put it in the sci.* category, I don't really care. It
isn't science, though.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
    Vote for a REAL change on 3 November: Throw out the check-bouncing,
  tax-and-spend Democrat Congress! (obviously, not an opinion of UTHSCH)
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.marching
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:07:19 GMT

Here is a list of all the current subgroups of rec, found by the command
'ls /usr/spool/news/rec/' (the exact command may vary at different sites):
antiques
aquaria
arts
audio
autos
aviation
backcountry
basketball
bicycles
birds
boats
climbing
collecting
crafts
du.out
equestrian
folk-dancing
food
gambling
games
gardens
golf
guns
heraldry
humor
hunting
juggling
kites
mag
martial-arts
misc
models
motorcycles
music
nude
org
outdoors
pets
photo
puzzles
pyrotechnics
radio
railroad
roller-coaster
running
scouting
scuba
skate
skiing
skydiving
sport
travel
video
windsurfing
woodworking

Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com