From: bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com (J H Woodyatt)
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men,alt.feminism,talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity
Subject: Re: just passing through on way to alt.real-men.grunt.thud ....
Date: 17 Dec 92 04:54:56 GMT
Reply-To: bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com
Organization: Abiogenesis 4 Less

fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller) writes:
# bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com (J H Woodyatt) writes:
# 
# > I agree with the sentiment that men who take every step available to
# > them to avoid reproducing, and who make it clear to their sex partners
# > that they do not wish to reproduce, are getting the Main Shaft when
# > their partners ignore their reproductive wishes and choose not to
# > abort an unplanned pregnancy.
# 
#      MAJOR bogosity alert.  Has anybody told you how babies are made, JH?
# I can see you weren't born on a farm, bo.  A man who has sex with a woman
# has not only *not* taken "every step available" to avoid reproducing, he
# has in fact just taken the single *most* effective step there is to make
# reproduction possible and likely.  Do you know anybody who became a father
# by getting whacked on the head and having his sperm stolen by electro-
# ejaculation while he was out cold?  If you do, *then* I'll talk involuntary
# fatherhood.  But if you claim to be a MAN and you insist on poking the old
# goober into other people's business you better repeat to yourself I AM
# RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OUTCOME about four thousand times.  When you've done
# so not only will you have performed a respectable reality check, you'll
# also have put yourself into the mood you need to be a pretty decent daddy.
#     (Standard blather-avoidance: substitute "one" for "you" above if you
# claim to be a woman....)

Fair criticism, but I refuse to withhold my sympathy from people
simply because they are idiots.  Any man who suffers from Involuntary
Fatherhood Problems (IFP, hereafter), no matter how stupidly he
behaved in order to get himself into his predicament, deserves, at the
very least, sympathy, and in those fairly rare cases where the primary
reason that the man is in the fat for support of unwanted offspring is
that he screwed up and believed a lying scheming woman (don't laugh,
one of my best friends is the result of just such an event), I might
even condone letting the poor bastard off the hook.  Maybe.  I'd have
to be behind the bench with a gavel to want to decide something like
that.

# > However, the rules of the game are dictated to men by anatomy. 
# 
#     Nonsense.  The rules are dictated by behavior.  You don't want problems
# with involuntary fatherhood?  Just keep the zipper zipped and the wick dry.

Try saying that to a wife who's getting mighty tired of just oral,
anal and/or manual stimulation.  In that situation, *I'd* be willing
to get the vas deferens trimmed -- but I ain't gonna volunteer to tell
every man in the country that, no sir.  You first.


-- 
+---------------------------+  ``I guess the government that robs its
| J H Woodyatt              |  own people earns the future it is
| bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com |  preparing for itself.''
+---------------------------+                             -- Mark Twain
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