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From: bholu@nyx.cs.du.edu (  Bholu)
Subject: ...... keh ham aazad haiN
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 06:07:27 GMT

tamaam huwatnoN ko yom-e-azadi mubarak. iss din kay 
havalay say zameer jafri kay chand ash'aar naql kar 
raha hooN.
----------------------------------------------------

                  pazeerai

ab nahiN ko`i bhee dushvaari keh ham azad haiN
ham karayN gay chore-bazaari keh ham azad haiN

qeemat azadi ki kuchH na kuchH tow karni thee ada
madarsoN ki feece hai bhaari keh ham azad haiN

kaam karnay kay leay 'ayhd-e-ghulaami kam na tha
ham haiN aur azad baykaari keh ham azad haiN

yaad aiyyamay keh bakri tak kamaytee mayN na thee
ab haiN kitnay saanD sarkari keh ham azad haiN

nirkh "nar" rakhta hai saudagar keh pabandi nahiN
puRya kyooN bandhay ga pansari keh ham azad haiN

mashriq o maghrib mayN ab jhaaNkayN tow aakhir kiss leay
band kar dow " 'ilm almari" keh ham azad haiN  (*)

sheher mayN woh bay khatr chalnay ki rut jaati rahi
daikh woh chinghaaRti lari keh ham azad haiN

chaadar apnay raastay mayN kia mazahim ho zameer
towR dayN ham char-devari keh ham azad haiN

(*) not too sure about the correctness of this misr'a 
----------------------------------------------------

ghar hai thal mayN zindagi jaapaan kay ma'yaar say
khud-kushi ki hai nihayat qeemti talvaar say

tayl kab nithr nikalta hai kooNayN ki dhaar say
aadmi 'alim nahiN banta faqt dastaar say

zindagi apnay kinaray kay saharay hi say kar
kaun aata hai madad karnay samandar par say

khul ga`ay maghrib mayN ab mashriq kay sanyaas aashram
daaktar sahab madad lainay lagay bimaar say

farsh-e-masjid par namazi muntazir baiThay rahay
maulvi sahab utartay hi nahiN minaar say
----------------------------------------------------

                dastoor

yeh kia 'ajeeb sa dastoor ai huzoor bata
keh sar yehaN kay leay hai tow dhaR wahaN kay leay

tasavvuraat farangi nikaat umreeki
khuda ka naam faqt ghaza-e-butaaN kay leay

laga kay jubba o reesh o kalah churchill kay
yeh id-da'a keh namoona hai dow jahaN kay leay


--
phir vaza'-e-ayhtiaat say ruknay laga ha dam
barsoN huay haiN chaak gareebaN keay huay
From: asim@pak.sps.mot.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Info Needed
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:24:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Tx

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	       2. Tulane University, New Orleans.
I would appreciate it if somebody could let me know (by email) as soon as 
possible. Any other information would be helpful too.
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From: ali@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu
Subject: Re: Sir Syed Ahmed Khan & Sheikh Abdullah
Organization: NYU Medical Center, New York, NY 10016, USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:35:01 GMT

In article <17AUG199214134557@vxcrna.cern.ch>, mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP) writes:
> In article <1992Aug17.030700.27303@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan) writes...
>>		Gallery of Freedom Fighters
>>		===========================
>> 
>>		Sir Syed Ahmad Khan
>>		===================
>> 
>>	Syed Ahmad Khan was born on October 17, 1817. His early education
>>followed the traditional pattern. In February 1838, he was appointed 
>> ............
>>Mansoor Khan
>>Cleveland, Ohio.
>> 
>   > Another great man from the same era, not nearly as well known,
was Sheikh Abdullah, who started the Aligarh Muslim girls college. It
was one of the first schools where muslim girls obtained education,
and it rose in popularity so that girls from all over the subcontinent
came to study there.  Sheikh Abdullah was born a Kashmiri pundit but
he converted in his youth to Islam.  He sincerely believed that in
order for muslim 'turaquee', girls needed to be educated as well as
boys.  Indeed as can be imagined, he had a lot of adverseries, one of
the more famous ones being Sir Syed, who was not a great proponent of
girls education!!!  
jahanara
In
fact one of his greatest opponents was Sir Syed, who was not a
proponent of girls education.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Subject: Mohsin-ul-Mulk Mehdi Ali Khan, Gallery of Freedom Fighters
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 18:48:07 GMT


		Gallery of Freedom Fighters
		---------------------------
		Mohsin-ul-Mulk Mehdi Ali Khan
		=============================

	Mohsin-ul-Mulk Mehdi Ali Khan was born at Atawah on 9th Dec. 1837.
Like Sir Syed he was educated in the prevalent eastern style of education.
After  completing his education, he began to serve the British Govt. in India.
He sat in Civil Service examination for the post of Deputy Collector. After
he secured the first position in the examination he was appointed a 
Revenue Instpector in 1871 and served in the Hyderabad State for
twenty years. For sometime he was the Financial Secretary in the
Hyderabad State Government of the Nizam.
	Many people think that the real architect of the success of 
Sir Syed Ahmad Khan was Mohsin-ul-Mulk. However, it will not be incorrect to say
that he worked as much with complete dedication and utter sincerety for
the establishment of the Muslim University as Sir Syed did. 
In 1888 Mehdi Ali Khan went to England. Some five years later he resigned his
post to settle permanently in Aligarh to look after and nurture the plant put in
soil by  Sir Syed, namely the Muslim Anglo Oriental College that later became a 
full-fledged Muslim University.
	Mohsin-ul-mulk was a man of great integrity. Inspite of his 
exposure to the West he never for a moment disowned his culture or his
roots.
	A forceful writer and a great speaker, he led a campaign in 1900 
against Sir Anthony MacDonald's policy of replacing Urdu with Hindi.
	It was on his suggestion that a deputation was organized and sent
to Simla in 1906.

P.S. From 50 years, Golden Jubilee, Pakistan Resolution, 1940-90, 
     by Pakistan International Airline


Mansoor Ahmed Khan
Cleveland.
August 1992.
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Multiple wives
Date: 20 Aug 1992 11:54:15 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Aug19.183759.1@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu> ali@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu writes:
  However to 
>each his own and if someone feels he can treat more than one wife 
>equally and his wives agree to it then it is their personal business.
>I for one would shoot my good man in case he became interested in 
>acquiring another wife.  No doubt about it!!

A woman has every right in Islam to make the above feelings 
explicit before marrying. Or better still, there is no
one to stop them if they want to have that in writing in the
marriage contract.

In Islam, marriage is a legal contract. One can have any clause to
which there is mutual consent, put in the contract.
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Contradictions of (so called) upholders of rights
Date: 19 Aug 1992 13:59:23 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Aug17.211203.1012@sol.cs.wmich.edu> sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani) writes:
>
> We must look at things from everybody's point of view. I always
>take neutral (non-religious) point of view on this issues. Since
>I do not think that I can impose on others what my Gods say. 

So, you will opt for "neutrality" for its own sake.
I go for what is "right". I am looking for "truth" __ the ultimate
"truth". It doesn't matter from which platform 
it comes. (my religion or your religion, or his/her  religion)


>
> In a society which may consist of people of all religions, we
>must never impose one religion on other people, because it is unfair
>and illogical (I know Irfan Hyder hates this word :-) ).
>

Hate is not the word. I "frown" upon the usage of "logic" in areas
where it is inappropriate. "Logic" is a tool. Like all tools, it
has its usage. Just as usage of "hammer" to cut a
tree is foolish, so I think use of "logic" to find out about the
"creator" is time-wasting. Pure "logic" will not lead anywhere
in this case. But balanced with "experience" and "learning" 
it may be useful.
From: cs91hhs@brunel.ac.uk (Humaira Shaikh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Cricket: Embarassed all over again......
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:46:16 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK


We did not win........

Infact........we lost miserably.......

Our bowlers helped England make a new world record.........

368-7 in a one-day match......

We lost by (tears, tears and more tears) 198 runs.........

Ramiz was out at one and Inzamam became the joke of the day, when he was run
out, even though he was'nt running.

The (STUPID!!!!!!!!!!) man was standing outside the base-line LOOKING AT THE
BOWLER (more tears)................

A thoroughly bad day.......

Miandad did'nt play. Malik was captain.

For the next two matches, England are bringing in newcomers,  to give them a
feel of International Cricket. They can afford to do that, considering they won
the series 3-0.........

In the last ten overs England made 102 runs (MORE tears...).


One of our bowlers (new one, 'cos we did not have a fifth bowler) gave more
than 20 runs in 2 overs.......

Robin Smith hit (the first in the series, as far as I know) two sixers on his
way to destroying the Pakistani dream.......

They were making 7 runs an over most of the time..........

And we? We were all out in 43 overs.......



As I said guys,  a VERY bad ( and sad ) day it was...............


I hope we can heal some of the wounded pride (and I admit, ego) by doing better
tommorow and/or on monday.




Humaira.



Note: If this article sounds pessimistic to you......... you could'nt have seen
the match.   
B
B
B
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From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: PAKISTAN KA MATLUB KAYA ? Freeing Islam from Mullah's
Date: 20 Aug 1992 11:47:40 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Aug19.200048.8246@prism.poly.edu> ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain) writes:
::From: nadeem@igpho (Nadeem Malik)
::Subject: Re: PAKISTAN KA MATLUB KAYA ?????
:
::-Nadeem Malik
::"May Allah free Pakistan| from the grip of the Mullahs. Amen!"
:                         
:                         |
: and  Islam--------------|
:

This is not the time for "dua" (prayer) but "dava" (medicine).

The only way we can free Islam from the grip of the ignorant
"mullahs" (of the type derided by Iqbal) is to take their place.

To take their place, means, to become ourselves the scholors of
Islam. We should be much superior in our scholorship from them. 
So much so, that people come to regard us as the authorities on 
Islam. It is only ourselves who should be blamed for the
power of these ignorant Mullahs: We thought that by relegating
the study of Islam to the orphans and poor, and herding them
 into these obscure mosque-madrassahs, we were fulfilling our duty,
was only an invitation to all this. Let's decide to make our sons and
brothers the scholors of Islam and let's begin to appreciate
"real" scholorship. Till such time, be contented that the 
Mullah problem will not only remain but also exacerbate
our predicament.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: My last posting (from Farrukh Zafar)
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:07:10 PST
Organization: DAVID Systems Inc, Sunnyvale CA

From: uunet!voder!nsc!berlioz.nsc.com!farrukh (Farrukh Zafar)
Subject: My Last Posting ... 


                So Long America, So Long SCP 
                ----------------------------
 
Some people started spreading rumors about his departure to God's 
country long before he bought his ticket. There were those who 
thought that the man was too Americanized to go back. And some of
them tried to affliate him with certain (f)mails on the net! ;-)
But alas! The day has finally come, and the legend surrendered to
the desire of his rivals on SCP ;-) 
 
On a little serious note, I can still picture the student standing at 
JFK airport on a cold Spring day of 1986, with two thousand dollars in 
his pocket for his undergraduate studies. He had quit NED University in 
his second semester, after being fed up with the political atmosphere.
What followed is a long story of struggle and achievements. He drove taxi 
cab three nights a week, while taking eighteen credit hours a semester. 
He graduated at the top of his engineering class (GPA 4.0/4.0) from 
City College of New York in May 1989, and was offered a job right after 
graduation by a Wall Street computer consulting company. After working 
there for two years, he got a full scholarship from Yale for his graduate 
studies. He took off to Yale where he finished his MS (EE) in two 
semesters in May 1992.
 
The dream I had in my mind when I was standing at JFK airport with 
tuition for one semester only and no financial support at all, was 
to bring myself upto the level where I'd have a choice to either 
stay here or go back. Today, I feel that I have achieved whatever I was
here for, and find myself at the level where I have a choice. After 
evaluating my priorities, I've decided to go back.
 
My future plans include starting my own company in Pakistan. I have been
a senior consultant for MIT/Lincoln Laboratory and Texas Instruments for 
a while, and would use that experience in establishing a small consulting
company. If you're interested in CAD/VLSI layout, you can drop an email
to merchant@davidsys.com to get my phone number in Pakistan.
 
Lot of SCPians have shown their affection for me via emails and personal
contacts. I am thankful to all of you for taking time to get to know
me. Good bye all. I am going home ___ this time it's for good! 
 
  ***********************************************************************
   An engineer by birth, and a poet by nature, I tend to live in my own
   world surrounded with intricate philosophies, subtle emotions, and 
   a vague inspiration to live ...
 
                        Farrukh [engineer, poet, musician] Zafar 
  ***********************************************************************
       Personal:   "Still haven't found what I am looking for", U2
From: cs91hhs@brunel.ac.uk (Humaira Shaikh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: test
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:59:04 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK



Something is wrong here.

Therefore another test.
From: ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Muslim Gays and Lesbians
Date: 22 Aug 92 11:22:01 GMT
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



Here is an article which appeared recently on soc.culture.arabic,
sorry I've deleted most of the headers. The relevant portion is
underlined.
-arun
*******

Subject: MONITOR:soc.culture.arabic


[Headers deleted]

IN NEWS.ADMIN,  zafar@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Syed Zafar Kazmi) says:

}>Recently, three new newsgroups were created in "alt" group hierarchy.
}>Among those three, one is "alt.moslem.wanted.gay".

}>Needless to say, muslim community on net is very much offended
}>by the creation of this group.


I leave it to others to explain to Mr. Kazmi what the alt net is. It
is worth pointing out, though, that just becuause a religious or other
cultural group has certain ideals, it does not follow that the world
at large is obligated to help that group maintain a whitewashed
picture of that group. Many Christians believe their religion forbids
homosexuality; many homosexuals identify themselves as Christians. Few
Christians go so far as to deny the _existence_ of gay Christians --
though some Muslims on the net have denied the existence of gay
Muslims. Perhaps hard-line American Muslims are more strict than their
Arabic brethren on this issue -- after all, Ali Laaridh, the spokesman
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
of the Tunisian Islamic movement Annadha, is homosexual, and is
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
receiving criticism about this more from the NON-Islamic government of
Tunisia than from his fellow Tunisian Muslims.

I'm often struck by the inherent contradiction of the pronouncements
of Muslim doomsayers on the net: first they tell us, "you will have to
answer to Allah one day" and three lines later it's "I feel like doing
a little of Allah's work for him RIGHT NOW!" Can't Allah take care of
himself? Meanwhile, can't we have a little tolerance?


             greg
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Subject: Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, Gallery of Freedom Fighters
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 03:07:00 GMT

		Gallery of Freedom Fighters
		===========================

		Sir Syed Ahmad Khan
		===================

	Syed Ahmad Khan was born on October 17, 1817. His early education
followed the traditional pattern. In February 1838, he was appointed 
Naib Munshi in the office of the Divisional Commisioner of Agra, and
in 1846 was promoted to munsif.  His famous work "Asarus Sanadeed" was
published in 1855.
	After the war of Independence of 1857, he wrote a pamphelet
"Hindustan ke Wafadar Musalman"
In 1859, Sir Syed established a school in Murshidabad for Muslim children.
During this period he published "Asbab-e-Baghavat-e-Hind", 
"Ahkam-e-taam-ahle-kitab" as well as several pamphlets to disseminate his
ideas on education.
In 1864, he founded a school in Ghazipur where Muslim children were
taught English in addition to the oriental languages. He established
the Scientific Society to create in the Muslims the urge to
acquire modern knowledge. In 1864, Sir Syed was transferred to
Aligarh and the office of the Scientific Society too was consequently 
relocated. In Aligarh, he began to publish the Scientific Society Magazine
which was later renamed Aligarh Institute Gazette.
Sir Syed went to England in 1869 where he lived for some time and worked on his
famous rejoinder to Thomas More published as "Ummahat-ul-Ummah". Upon his
return he began to campaign for a Muslim University. He also assisted in
the work of the Hunter Commission on Education and was successful in having
his education policy for Muslims accepted.
	The greatest achievement of Sir Syed Khan was the establishment of
Aligarh Muhammadan Anglo-Oriental College in 1898
which subsequently developed into Aligarh Muslim University in 1920.
	This great leader of Muslims, after developing his whole life to
the service of Muslims, died on March 27, 1898 and
was buried beside the mosque in the great seat of learning he founded.

P.S.  From "50 years, Golden Jubilee, Pakistan Resolution 1940-1990" by PIA.

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland, Ohio.
From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: PAKISTAN KA MATLUB KAYA ?????
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:36:26 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com

nadeem@igpho (Nadeem Malik) writes:

>Yes, exactly! The Mullahs are dead scared of real Islam being enforced in
>Pakistan. Under Islamic they would be hanged within 24hours for high treason,

This "real" Islam is like "real" Communism. One never really finds it :-)
Maybe like determining the real position and velocity of an electron. It
must be there, it's just not possible to find them simultaneously.

Sumitro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Subject: Re: Islam and gays
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 22:36:17 GMT

In article <5745@transfer.stratus.com> somebody@somehost.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.225824.11526@sco.COM>, waseems@sco.COM (Waseem Siddiqi) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> There's a shocking para in there about homosexual  activities in Pakistan.
>> I didn't know this kind of things happened in Pakistan.
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>Oh khocha yey gay way kya hota hey?
>


khochah yeh gay way bud-tameez rastah hai bud-tameez log kay liyeh

>MEER NAZIR

zafar
From: ahasan@cae.wisc.edu (Ali Hasan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Islam and gays
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:58:42 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

In article <1992Aug20.191859.10861@cco.caltech.edu> asim@irk.ugcs.caltech.edu (A. M. Mughal) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.225824.11526@sco.COM> waseems@sco.COM (Waseem Siddiqi) writes:
>>
>>Here's an article that came out recently in a magazine about Muslim gays.
>>I think that is a contradiction in term. One  can't be a Muslim and a 
>>gay/lesbian at the same time.
>>
>>However we should know what is going on in the Islamic community and 
>>understand the challenges that we face. Hence the posting of this  article.
>	Thanks for bringing it up and posting it here. 
>
>>
>>There's a shocking para in there about homosexual  activities in Pakistan.
>>I didn't know this kind of things happened in Pakistan.
>
>	I wouldn't know either. All I know is people have tendency to joke 
>	about things like that and they don't really mean it seriously.For
>	someone from outside it will be difficult to understand who may take
>	it at the face value. jj


	Who are we trying to kid here? 
	No one ever heard of Bannu here?
	It's no joke. Anyone on the net from Hasan Abdal Military school?
	Maybe they can quote a few instances. 
	What about news in papers about mullahs who rape young boys?
	Or is all that just a Sehoonie saazish to blacken the name of
	islam and Pakistan.
	Stop denying the realities. It wouldn't do any good.

							--ali.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan