HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Jesus: Would he support the Turks or Armenians?
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:41:53 GMT

se = engelson-sean@cs.yale.edu (Sean Philip Engelson)
dd = dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:

dd: The real question should be, if there was a Jesus, where was he during the
dd:  genocide of the Armenians?

me: And what does he think of Mutlu?

se: And would he like latkes?

Of course he would, the great theological question is whether he would
eat them with sour cream or applesauce.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          "If there really was a Jewish conspiracy to run the
 |__/__/_/        world, my rabbi would have let me in on it by now.
 |warren@         I contribute enough to the shule."
/ nysernet.org 			    Saul Goodman
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
From: titmas@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Eric Titmas)
Subject: Re: Say it ain't so
Organization: SPS
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:55:52 GMT

In article <BzsGtJ.B95@world.std.com>, srm@world.std.com (Stevens R Miller) writes:
|> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
|> >You are still
|> >defending Law, not Justice.  And you still haven't explained how
|> >justice can possibly be served now in the Rosenbaum/Nelson case.
|> 
|> Justice is always served when a jury subordinates its passion for
|> a conviction to its oath of fairness.  No act of a jury can bring
|> Rosenbaum back from the dead, not even an illegal conviction.  Two
|> injustices are not justice, even when combined.
|> 
If this statement means "Justice is always served when the jury makes a just 
decision" it's banal.  If the statement means all jury decisions are just
(as opposed to the decision of the law) it's foolish.

-- 
Eric Titmas      Motorola ASIC       titmas@chdasic.sps.mot.com               

It is impossible to take in more money than Congress can spend.  - Thomas Sowell
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:24011 soc.culture.arabic:5949 talk.politics.mideast:24143
From: bf3833@pyuxe.uucp (80010-feigenbaum)
Subject: Perfidy
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 20:20:40 GMT
Keywords: Kastner Trial

I am looking for a book entitled "Perfidy" by Ben Hecht.  The copyright
date is 1961 and the publisher is Julian Messer.  The publisher is out
of business however.  The book tells the story of the Kastner trial in
Israel.

If anyone can help me get a copy of this book, it would be greatly 
appreciated.

Thank you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: ERETZ YISRAEL (was Re: deportation)
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 00:39:29 GMT

In article <4822@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:

# In article <1993Jan1.210443.3172@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# >In article <4807@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
 
# 	David Makowsky wrote:
# 	There never was any kind of a State of "plaestine?"!  How often
# 	does this have to be repeated?
 
# ># When we take the cotton out of our ears and you start speaking
# audibly, David.

# >	So you admit you are intentionally blocking the truth from
# >yourselves.

# No, I don't admit that at all.  But you are right.  There never did exist
# a State of "plaestine".  It was always referred to as Palestine.  So,
# when you start speaking clearly, we will be more receptive to listening.

	What you refer to never existed.  There has never existed a state
by the name you refer to it above.  So you are still blocking the
truth from yourselves.

# 	"We don't live in Israel.  Not at all.  We live in
# 	Palestinian territory.  It's Israeli occupied."
# 					Hanan Ashrawi
 
	But what did she say when she woke up from her dream?
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller)
Subject: Re: M.Haussman - get a life
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:44:18 GMT


	The following translation is provided by a prototype Universal
Translator we're working on here in the Lab.  This is a first-run test,
so it still needs a little tweaking here and there, but we're all real
proud of the results.

On Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:14:01 GMT, mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler) ranted:

M> *************************************************************************
M> ** You know M.H. ( I don't feel like typing out your dumb name), you
M> think you've got one over me, well you don't.  

	<whrrrr...click. click.  BEEP>

	"Nyah nyah nyah."

M>						I'm not going to get
M> into a personal argument on the net because that would be against
M> "netiquette" and I wouldn't want to break the rules, would I?  

	<whizzz...whirrr.  click.  boop.  BEEP>

	"I'm losing the argument because I can't think of anything to
say, but don't think I'm pulling out 'cause I'm stupid, 'cause I ain't.
So there."

M>							Maybe
M> you think that I just want to hear you say "You're right", but that's
M> not it.  

	<wheeeeem...wheeeem...whizzzz...click.  BEEP>

	"I'm not argueing to make myself look good.  Not at all.  Nope.
Not a bit.  Uh-uh.  No way.  NOT!"

M>	   Not once did you defend your opinion with anything other
M> than snappy remarks and a lot of arrogant B.S.  

	<fizzzzzz....click.  click.  clack.  BEEP>

	"I didn't get all the jokes.  Actually, I didn't get any of
them." 

M>							So don't go around
M> using my name on this net or I'll have your account pulled too. 

	<rrrrrrr....pop.  click.  BEEP>

	"Cross me and I'll tell Mom."

M>									I've
M> said what is necessary to open your eyes, but you're blind.  

	<wheeeee...click.  BEEP>

	"I haven't been able to shout you into silence or intimidate
you."

M>								Let God
M> judge you when your time comes.  

	<whizzzz...whirrrr...click.  BEEP>

	"Maybe you'll die soon and I can be happy."

M>					If you think God would approve of
M> your actions, then keep doing it.  

	<wheeep...wheeep.  clack.  BEEP>

	"You shouldn't do things I don't think are right."

M>					Until then, I'd drop the phone
M> number off the signature.  

	<fuzzzz.  BEEP>

	"Don't make me give you an obscene phonecall."

M>				It's not a smart thing to show the world.

	<whirrrrrrrrrrrrrr....whirrrrrrrrrrrr....click.  BEEP>

	"Nyah nyah nyah."

-- Cerebus <tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
"This service provided free of charge to the deserving."

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: norm@helix.nih.gov (Norman Friedman)
Subject: Re: What is HAMAS
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <norm@helix.nih.gov (Norman Friedman)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 06:19:25 GMT

What is this gibberish.  Hamas is the sworn enemy of Israel, Jews and everyone
who is not of the Moslem brotherhood (it seems).  They are nothing but a bunch
of killers who certainly do Not "want to live in peace in "Palestine"(wherever
that may be) or anywhere else.  They are completley against the so-called
peace process and are determined to undermine it in any way they can, including
murder, kdnapping and terrorism.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: (Jewish) Kabbalistic Meditation ?
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:41:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.132949.9080@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>And calling it "misognystic" is a clear example of why goofy Catholics
>(Spawn of a Jewish Carpenter (Cindy Smith)) ought not attempt to study it.

Of course.  After all, if someone studies it, they can criticize it.  If you
want to keep someone from criticizing you, all you have to do is tell them
they're not supposed to study what you study, and then you can say that they
haven't studied it enough in order to be able to make any valid criticism.

Catch-22, of course.
--
"On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Leftover Turkey!
On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Turkey casserole
    that she made from Leftover Turkey.
[days 3-4 deleted] ...  Flaming Turkey Wings! ...
   -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann)
Subject: Re: The Jewish nose myth
Organization: Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:28:16 GMT

saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes: >
madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes: >>
rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz) writes: >>>
saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes: >>>>
madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes: >>>  >
saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes: >>>  >>
EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David) writes: >>>  >>>

>>>   >>>I already posted this on Oct 14, 1992 but the nose thread seems to have come 
>>>   >>>up again in a big way so here is a rehash of what I posted before. This may be
>>>   >>>of help.
>
>>>   >>Instead of "nose thread," shouldn't that be "nose hair"?
>
>>>   >I smell a flamefight coming.  Better keep your nose out of this.
>
>>>>   And how can you be so sure?  Do you have some secret prognosticating
>>>>   abilities?  Maybe you read it in Nostril-damus?
>
>>>Sam, you're going schnozz to schnozz with a professional here...
>
>>Oh, go ahead and snout it out.  
>
>This may be the bridge between our views on Judaism.  It's probably the
>only one we could both sniff out that we'd agree makes scents.

I believe you've hit that right on the Button, Sam.  Maybe
my attitude before was a bit PUGilistic, but later discussions
Hooked me into your point of view.  I suggest we drop our 
Ol' factions and communicate in friendship, as enough'Snuff.

I never thought Aroma round s.c.j. would lead to us Stinking
like this.  I'll continue my Proboscis is the life.  It sure
Turned Up rather interesting.  

Beak cool.



-- 
Maddi Hausmann                madhaus@netcom.com
Humorist, Satirist, Tech Writer.  Take your pick.

Centigram Communications Corp, San Jose California  408/428-3553
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Subject: Re: deportations
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:18:33 GMT

dat@ukc.ac.uk (D.A.Turner) writes:

>Israel's  recent  decison  to  expel  from   their   own   country   410
>Palestinians,  none  of  whom has been charged with any offence before a
>court of law, is contrary to the 4th Geneva convention,  and  ignores  a
>Security Council resolution condemning the action as illegal.

Mr. Turner, besides spouting propaganda, includes several factual
errors.

First of all, the Palestinian Arabs were not expelled from any
country.  The territories are unallocated portions of the Palestine
mandate, not part of any country, and their disposition is subject to
negotiations.  Hopefully, the Arabs will finally get off the dime and
start taking seriously the negotiations they keep threatening to pull
out of.

>This draws our attention once again  to  the  unsolved  problem  of  the
>ongoing Israeli occupation of the territories seized in the war of 1967,
>which Israel continues to hold in defiance of both international law and
>specific United Nations Resolutions.

How easy to forget the refusal of the Arabs to negotiate with Israel
following the Six Day War, during which it was the Jordanian attack on
Israel which led to the Israeli capture of that territory.

There's a saying that you can't turn the clock back.  The Arabs could
have had virtually all that territory in 1967 if they were willing to
negotiate a peaceful settlement.  They refused, and cannot expect to
get the same deal a quarter century of intransigence later.

-- 
Alan H. Stein   -----  AJIN   -----  astein@israel.nysernet.org
From: schuman@eacces.wpd.sgi.com (Aaron Schuman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Urgent Appeal-Jerusalem Rabbi Mistakenly Arrested!
Date: 22 Dec 1992 02:59:53 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics 415-390-1901
NNTP-Posting-Host: eacces.wpd.sgi.com

Daniel> A well respected Rabbi from Jerusalem has 
Daniel> been arrested along with his brother recently 
Daniel> in California. Because the charges are 
Daniel> ridiculous...

The defendants may be innocent, but the charges aren't ridiculous.

When they were apprehended, the trunk of their car contained a
knife, plastic handcuffs, a floor plan of their alleged victim's
house showing the location of a shotgun, and other items that
cast strong suspicion.

A well regarded rabbi visited them in jail, and reported in the
Jewish Bulletin of Northern California that he believes that
each suspicious circumstance has a reasonable explanation.

I don't know any more than I read in the Bulletin and in the
Palo Alto Weekly, but I think they will have a difficult time
proving their innocence in court.  If they are truly innocent,
I wish them luck and divine assistance, because they really need
it this time.

					Aaron

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Subject: Re: "Jewish" Christmas Carol Hits
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:58:22 GMT

In article <92358.161652YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> Yaakov Kayman <YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>I guess not too many SCJers know that "(I'm dreaming of a) White Christmas"
>was written by a Jew, Irving Berlin (ne Ballin(sp?)).

Also, "Easter Bonnet".  However, neither of these songs have anything
remotely religious in them besides the use of these Christian occasions.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Jewish Christmas Carol Hits
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:05:40 GMT


Jan Peerce was a famous Chazzan as well as a famous opera singer.
He also performed the Catholic Mass (as written by classical composers)
so well he moved devout Catholics to tears.

Peter, Paul, and Mary (are any of them Jewish?) did a Christmas show
containing Chanukah songs as well. Both sets of material were very
movingly arranged and performed.

David
-- 
David Sternlight
RIPEM key on server
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: cohen@quartz.ciw.edu (Ronald Cohen)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Date: 28 Dec 92 01:57:52 GMT
Organization: Geophysical Laboratory, CIW

In article <9212232229.AA25273@cyclone.sbi.com> <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)> writes:
>stank@cbnews1.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>You clearly agree that such a thing as Jewish law exists, since you
>use the terms "our law" and "G-d's Law."  What does this law entail?
>Does it include the right, under the "law" for every individual Jew,
>whether O, C or R to choose to do whatever he/she sees fit?  If so,
>is there another such legal system, in which one's sole obligation
>is to choose one's obligations?  If not, where is the line drawn to
>define Jews' obligations?
>
>-Don Gertler

One thing is clear--it doesn't give every jew the right to judge
any other jew, except under special circumstances, and that
judgment can only be passed by a Bet Din.  Furthermore, there is
special consideration for a convert to Judaism, and any cause of
distress to the convert on the basis of their conversion is one
thing for which no repentence is possible, if I remember
correctly, and is a very serious sin.  Now according to you they
are not really converts (maybe no converts are real converts to
you?)  or you are just not sure of whether they are really kosher
converts or not.  If the latter, you are taking a big risk to
commit verbal ona'a agaist converted readers of this newsgroup, as
well as in your personal life.
-- 
Ronald Cohen
Geophysical Laboratory, Carnegie Institution of Washington
5251 Broad Branch Rd., N.W.,  Washington, D.C. 20015
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Date: 4 Jan 93 02:33:59 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1993Jan2.014220.17519@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>In article <4816@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>>Don't try to tie in two separate issues.  The Salman Rushdie affair is
>>dead and buried.
>
>Salman Rushdie very well could be, if you had your way.

:-) ... actually, as I said before, I'll pray for the ULTIMATE
justice by The Almighty.  There are much more important things
to focus attention on.

Anisa
	"No more war pigs have the power ..."
From: aaron@kesher.UUCP (Aaron Schmiedel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: SOFTWARE RELEASE
Keywords: HEBREW TRUETYPE WINDOWS FONT DRIVERS
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:37:38 GMT
Organization: KESHERnet International - Dallas, TX


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: kmjoffe@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kenneth M. Joffe)
Subject: New Year
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 19:28:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

Here is the question.  If there are so many people that do not
allow themselves to say 'Merry Christmas' (myself included), why
are we not equally against saying 'Happy New Year'.?  I
understand that there are differences here, but why accept the
new year based on the existance of Jesus of Nazarath??

Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:24114 soc.culture.arabic:5999
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:35:22 EST
From: <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: ERETZ YISRAEL (was Re: deportation)
 <1hni0gINN4jb@pita.cs.huji.ac.il>

In article <1hni0gINN4jb@pita.cs.huji.ac.il>, aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il
(Hillel Applebaum) says:
>
>Pls tell me if I'm wrong.
>I think that regardless to been a left/right winger,
>all religious Israelis/jews knew that ERETZ YISRAEL
>is the homeland of jews and no other nation. The only
>thing they might disagree about is wheather is worth
>trading parts of it for peace.

It depends on what you mean and I'm not sure how to understand what you
have written.

If you mean that Eretz Yisrael is the homeland of the Jews and that no other
country is the homeland of the Jews then of course you are right.

If you mean that Eretz Yisrael is the homeland of the Jews and not of any
other nation as well then you are wrong, because it is also the homeland
of the Palestinians.

I fully expect to get flamed for this, but it seems to me that whether or not
the Palestinians are or aren't a nation is not a matter for Jews to decide.
It's their own business.

Whether and how their national needs can be satisfied without endangering our
own national existence is a different matter, but we gain nothing by denying
the very fact of their existence as a distinct national entity.

Rabbi Charles Arian
CARIAN@american.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:24243 soc.culture.arabic:6058
From: wc4209@writer.yorku.ca (Irene Berkovich)
Subject: Re: Israel must return the deportees!
Organization: Computer Assisted Writing Centre, York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 04:22:03 GMT

In article <530@owl.ukc.ac.uk> dat@ukc.ac.uk (D.A.Turner) writes:
>Israel must return the 410 deportees!
>
>The deportees are not terrorists.  They  are  innocent  people,  against
>whom  no  charge  has  been brought in an open court.  They are doctors,
>teachers, lawyers.  Twelve of them are lecturers  from  one  university.
>Their real crime is that they are leaders of their people.  There is not
>a shred of evidence linking them with the killing of a Jewish policeman.
>If there was you can be quite certain that Israel would have put them on
>trial for murder.
>
>It is claimed that they  are  members  of  Hamas,  and  similar  Islamic
>groups,  and that Hamas is a terrorist organisation.  First, no evidence
>that they are members of Hamas has been offered in open court.  The case
>was  heard  in  a closed military court, in which the men's laywers were
>not allowed to see the  evidence.   The  so  called  process  of  appeal
>consisted  of  the same judges declaring themselves correct.  This would
>not be recognised as a proper legal process in any democratic country.
>
>Second, I do not accept that Hamas are a terrorist organisation.  Up  to
>now they have killed only Israeli soldiers or policemen in uniform.  For
>many years Israel has stood in illegal occupation of Palestinian  lands,
>and  several  thousand  unarmed  Palestinian men women and children have
>been killed by  Israeli  forces.   When  Hamas  starts  killing  Israeli
>civilians  they will have sunk to the level of the Zionist state, but up
>to now they seem to be operating on a higher moral standard.
>
>David Turner
>
>(A Britsh Jew who does NOT support Israel.)


By your reasoning the IRA are not terrorists.  Because they blow up
cars, department stores, etc which are directed at the illegal British
occupiers of their land their fight is justified. Right?

And if they happen to kill a good British Jew like yourself (who does
NOT support Israel) well, you just can't win em all.....

You probably would be proud to die for such a "just" cause.




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