From: mlee@esd.dl.nec.com (Michael Lee)
Subject: Re: National debt is $4 TRILLION, so what?
Organization: NEC America, Engineering & Support
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:54:05 GMT

From article <1992Aug14.024312.22026@nuscc.nus.sg>, by ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser):
> In article <92226.123213REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>>  Ed Ipser states that the ultimate collapse of the federal government
>>couldn't hurt (OK, I paraphrase).  As a before & after question, I couldn't
>>agree more.  What worries me is the transitional decade, in which stiff-
>>arm legal tactics are used to coerce otherwise "decent" Americans into
>>paying outrageous taxes to fund this Monster we've created.  I forsee a
>>decade (coming soon to a country near you) in which the government decides
>>to address its inevitable fall by attempting to become even more centrally
>>controlled and overbearing.  Unfortunately, enough "average citizens" are
>>going to beleive it for a while, so that the minority of us that attempt
>>any kind of rebellion (verbal, active-omissive or active-commissive) will
>>end up spending a fair chunk of time in federal prison.  (Will that qualify
>>us as prisoners of war later?).
>
> I believe, therefore, that concerns about a transitional period to be
> somewhat overstated. What is more likely to occur is a gradual decline
> of fiscal authority and, as a consequence, people will start to look
> elswhere for solutions to their problems. In fact, it is the threat of
> collapse which will drive the federal government toward such a scaling
> down. The idea that federal bureaucrats are going to go berserk and
> start nationalizing private property and imprisonsing anti-tax
> protestors is somewhat paranoid; the federal government has neither
> the will not the capability to mount such a campaign of terror against
> the numbers of people who would oppose it on these grounds.

I hope you are right, but there is considerable evidence to the contrary.

FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Administration, remember Oliver North?)
has built and continues to build prison camps for tax protesters and "drug
dealers" where people are held without trial while their property is
auctioned.

> In fact, the huge deficit is prima facia evidence that the federal
> government is not in control of the situation. In particular, voters

The government is not in complete control.  The Federal Reserve Private
Banking System wields considerable control.  It likes the govt. to borrow
money from them at high interest rates but then the govt. must raise taxes
on us to pay back the loans.

> are extremely aversive to tax increases while still demanding ever
> greater public "benefits". (Not that tax increases have helped; Bush's
> huge read-my-hips tax increase resulted in doubling the deficit and
> destorying his credibility.)

Again, I hope you are right.
I hope that we can resist the tax increases AND retain our liberty.

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that the rich have no right to the wealth of the poor.
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