HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: WMELCHIOR@NTET.NCTR.FDA.GOV (Bill Melchior, NCTR/FDA)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: kew gardens UK
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:58:57 GMT
Distribution: bionet

> i try to help an ozzie scientist stay near Kew Gardens for Feb93  and
> wondered what contacts you had to help me arrange this through email for her.
> the exchange rate ozzie to pounds is very bad and kew is a tourist area. we
> seek a scientist home or other place for 3-4 wks so she can commute easily
> to kew for her research. thanks. ann baker

You might try the following list.  I have no experience with it, so don't know
how well it works.
________________________________________________________________________________
HOSPEX@PLEARN.BITNET
	[Last Updated 12-October-1991]

   I am formally announcing the existence of a new list/database
   named HOSPEX@PLEARN which was created to provide those interested
   in being a host to foreign visitors a way to satisfy their interests.
   For those interested in finding a host when they are traveling
   in difference countries, this new database will satisfy this interest.
   I encourage everyone to subscribe to HOSPEX now.

   To subscribe just send a mailpiece stating that you want to join
   to HOSPEX@PLEARN. This will be automatically forwarded to one
   of the owners. Of course issuing standard
    'SUB HOSPEX your full name'
   to LISTSERV@PLEARN will do as well. You'll be sent a "fill in"
   form to be filled and returned. This subsribtion procedure
   is manual, so it may take few days sometimes.

   We are looking for lots of users outside the U.S. to subscribe
   (and U.S. users too, but now there is many more U.S. users than
   an other nation).

   Eventually, those who subscribe will be asked to send us a form
   which describes something about yourself, the type of accommodations
   you have, languages you speak, restrictions you want, etc.  When
   a file exists with this information on you, those traveling can
   look through all the files for the countries in which they will
   be traveling to find a host that seems interesting them.  So, this
   information you must eventually send to one of HOSPEX owners is
   important.
________________________________________________________________________________
Forwarded by
Bill Melchior                                ||   "You have lawyers the way
National Center for Toxicological Research   ||    other people have mice."
Jefferson, AR  72079                         ||
(501) 543-7206                               ||   -Kenneth Duncan, English
                                             ||    Health & Safety Executive,
WMELCHIOR@NTDOC.NCTR.FDA.GOV                 ||    to US regulators
Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11: 53:03 +0100
               Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12: 53:32 +0100
From: amolina@es.cica (amolina)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Science and Poetry
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:53:32 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Content-Identifier: 78
Original-To: bioforum@uk.ac.daresbury (Receipt Notification Requested) (Non Receipt Notification Requested)
Conversion: Prohibited


	A couple of years ago I wrote a little essay called Science and
Poetry, it was at Brown University (Rhode Island, U.S.A.), a quite good
and beautiful place.
	My idea was that there something common to science and poetry,
a sort of intuition of ideas before writing or experiment them. This
idea is not new, of course, there're marvellous essays about the rela-
tion between science and art (in general). And several months later I
discovered Max Delbr|ck (one of the top ten molecular biologoists, even
when he wasn't educated as one) wrote a similar essay with the same 
tittle. Please, if anyone knows how to obtain it, please I would appre-
ciate very much the information.

	But anyway, the reason for this post is that I'd like to know
scientists (I'm a molecular biologist and also work in electrophysiolo-
gy of ion channels) interestied on poetry and literature (in general)
just for the pleasure of talking about books. 
	When you share things, you rediscover them and, of course, re-
enjoy them.

	Is anybody having an oppinion about the relation between scien-
ce and poetry?.

	Bye ...

	-------------------------------------------------------

	DON QUIJOTE RISES AGAIN.

	-------------------------------------------------------

***
ANTONIO MOLINA,
DEP. DE FIDIOLOGIA Y BIOFISICA,
FAC. DE MEDICINA, UNIV. DE SEVILLA,
AVDA. SANCHEZ PIZJUAN 4, 41009 SEVILLA,
			SPAIN.

		amolina@cica.es
From: kristoff@genbank.bio.net (David Kristofferson)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: bionette stuff
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:36:05 GMT
Organization: GenBank Online Service

una@phy.duke.edu (Una Smith) writes:

>A formal request for comments (RFC) was posted by Dave K.
>on behalf of a reader.  The proposer's e-mail address was not
>included.

Cassandra Smith to be precise who is also on the mailing list for this
newsgroup and would have seen any responses.  I also note that
comments are supposed to go back to the newsgroup, not to the
individual, so omission of the e-mail address of the proposer is not a
major oversight.

>Neither the person making the proposal nor anyone
>else cared enough to bother initiating a public discussion,
>thus there was none.   

Not so negative, please.  I note that the instructions in the RFD
emphasize not posting comments such as "This is a great idea!", etc.
The discussion period is primarily for amending the proposed newsgroup
charter.  Consequently, silence implies consent under the current
instructions, not a lack of caring.

				Sincerely,

				Dave Kristofferson
				GenBank Manager

				kristoff@genbank.bio.net
From: wmelchior@NTBTOX.NCTR.FDA.GOV ("Bill Melchior, NCTR/FDA")
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: Acetyl-CoA
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:55:51 GMT
Reply-To: wmelchior@NTDOC.NCTR.FDA.GOV
Distribution: bionet

>Does anybody out there has a quick reference for the molecular weight and/or
>(compressed) formula for Acetyl-CoA? 
>Is there a good book with handy tables of organic compounds?

A number of catalogs have information such as FW and CAS number.
The Sigma catalog, for instance gives Acetyl-CoA (free acid) as 767.5
(C21 H36 N7 O16 P3 S).  Calbiochem gives 827.1 for the trilithium salt.
(I've not checked to see if these two figures agree.)

Note that many commercial preps are not 100%.  If you're using the FW to
make a solution, correct for the assay value.

(Wouldn't this question be more appropriate for the METHODS list?)
________________________________________________________________________________
The opinions stated are mine, not those of NCTR or its sponsoring organizations.

Bill Melchior                                ||   "You have lawyers the way
National Center for Toxicological Research   ||    other people have mice."
Jefferson, AR  72079                         ||
(501) 543-7206                               ||   -Kenneth Duncan, English
                                             ||    Health & Safety Executive,
WMELCHIOR@NTDOC.NCTR.FDA.GOV                 ||    to US regulators
________________________________________________________________________________
The opinions stated are mine, not those of NCTR or its sponsoring organizations.

Bill Melchior                                ||   "You have lawyers the way
National Center for Toxicological Research   ||    other people have mice."
Jefferson, AR  72079                         ||
(501) 543-7206                               ||   -Kenneth Duncan, English
                                             ||    Health & Safety Executive,
WMELCHIOR@NTDOC.NCTR.FDA.GOV                 ||    to US regulators
Newsgroups: bionet.general
From: cohen@cumuli.vmsmail.ethz.ch (Mark Cohen)
Subject: Calling to account? (was Re: TOP 40 NEWSGROUPS ...)
Originator: mark@agnew
Keywords: Gonnet, Cohen, Benner paper Science 254, 1143, (1992)
Organization: Dept. Chemistry, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:43:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.071825.22559@ncsu.edu> samodena@csemail.cropsci.ncsu.edu (S. A. Modena) writes:

>The recent calling-to-account of Gonnet et al. ought to be a sobering reminder
>that journals may not allow frank expression, but there is no Prior-Restraint
>to prevent explicit critique of science content, methodology or showmanship
>when broadcast via UseNet.  [journals disseminate; InterNet broadcasts]

Just in case you mean by "calling-to-account" that we were in any way unable to defend our paper I'd like to point out that it would probably be better to 
describe the exchange on bionet.software as an enlightening discussion for all
involved. I hope that we managed to clear up any points of ambiguity raised
by our paper. If this was not the case please get in touch and I will try and 
do so now. I think that the bionet.sofware debate added to our paper and 
certainly added to the topic of sequence comparison. Admitedly some of the
initial responses may have been a bit incautious but if we consider the Internetas a type of informal debate and don't get too wound up or offended by what
people say then debate of this type must be benificial.

Mark Cohen,
ETH Zurich
Sat, 22 Aug 1992 11: 36:14 +0100
               Sat, 22 Aug 1992 12: 37:58 +0100
From: amolina@es.cica (amolina)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: maize bioforum
Date: 22 Aug 92 11:37:58 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Content-Identifier: 87
Original-To: bioforum@uk.ac.daresbury (Receipt Notification Requested) (Non Receipt Notification Requested)
Conversion: Prohibited


	Even when my work doesn't deal with plants, I'd like to put
just an idea over the table: Why don't you use the PLANT forum?, if
you need a quick and easy identification that the content is about
maize, could write something like MZ on "subject" and after the sub-
ject itself.
	Somebody could say that is the same that creating a new news-
group, but there is a little (important?) difference. If the messages
are all in a wider forum, people not directly interestied on maize 
but that could be interestied on a specific aspect (noted from the
"subject") could read the message and this would be good for everybody
in the forum.
	Specialization is good and necessary in science, but too much
may result in "poorness".

	Bye ...

======================================================================

		DON QUIJOTE RISES AGAIN

======================================================================
From: ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri (Tony Travis)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: bionette stuff
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:13:26 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Rowett Research Institute
Original-To: bioforum@uk.ac.daresbury

In article <92717184838.MIN-LZFAa18017.bionet-news@uk.ac.daresbury> you write:
: > 
: > 	I don't think is a good idea that one of "bionette".
: 
: You are a bit late in piping up.  Unfortunately when the opportunity
: was announced for discussion on this newsgroup, no one said anything.
: Discussion ended almost a month ago and voting is also just about over
: (Sunday the 23rd).

I don't think many of us thought it was necessary to point out the
stupidity of the bionette proposal.

In my opinion, it is self defeating to create such a group.  Women ARE
equal by right and creating a bionette group causes an unwelcome
segregation of views that I would prefer to see aired in a single
forum.

However, since I respect the wishes of anyone who DOES want bionette
I've remained silent until now and did NOT vote against the proposal.

	Tony.

--
Dr. A.J.Travis,                       |  Tony Travis
Rowett Research Institute,            |  JANET: <ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri>
Greenburn Road, Bucksburn,            |  other: <ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk>
Aberdeen, AB2 9SB. UK.                |  phone: 0224-712751
From: ajt@swan.doc.ic.ac.uk (Tony Travis)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Global Unsubscription
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:15:34 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
NNTP-Posting-Host: swan.doc.ic.ac.uk
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Can anyone tell me why news@rri.sari.ac.uk has been unsubscribed from
*all* biosci maling lists at daresbury.ac.uk ??

I've had no response to my mail from daresbury.

Is this a conseqence of our UK-order addresses breaking the list server?

	Tony.

--
Dr. A.J.Travis,                       |  Tony Travis
Rowett Research Institute,            |  JANET: <ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri>
Greenburn Road, Bucksburn,            |  other: <ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk>
Aberdeen, AB2 9SB. UK.                |  phone: 0224-712751
From: hatamian@gandalf.rutgers.edu (ShAhin)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: MS-Biomed Seeking Employment
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:09:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



Hello,

A friend has asked me to post this for her. Please respond directly to her
or via email to me for a complete resume.
____________________________________________________________________________

Hi,

I am graduating in December '92 from NJIT with a MS in Biomedical Engineering.
I am currently employed by a well-known hospital products manufacturing
company as a Product Development Engineer. I am conducting my thesis research
concurrently at this company.
please feel free to contact me for a resume and/or to discuss my qualifications
further.

Thank you for your time.

Please call Elli at (201)644-9174

____________________________________________________________________________
From: una@phy.duke.edu (Una Smith)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: bionette stuff
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:44:53 GMT
Organization: Duke University Physics Dept.; Durham, N.C.

A formal request for comments (RFC) was posted by Dave K.
on behalf of a reader.  The proposer's e-mail address was not
included.  Neither the person making the proposal nor anyone
else cared enough to bother initiating a public discussion,
thus there was none.   

Readers interested in issues of particular concern to women
in scientific fields may be interested in the Women in Science
and Engineering Network, an e-mail subscription list.  To
subscribe, send e-mail to listserv@uicvm.uic.edu or
listserv@uicvm (Bitnet), with the text:

SUBSCRIBE WISENET Your Name

	Una
-- 

Una Smith   una@phy.duke.edu    School of the Environment
                                Duke University
                                Durham, NC  27706
From: ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri (Tony Travis)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: Reversal of E-mail addresses.
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:18:28 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Organization: Rowett Research Institute
Original-To: bioforum@uk.ac.daresbury

In article <92718113603.MIN-LPJAa18017.bionet-news@uk.ac.daresbury> you write:
: [...]
: The BioSci lists are set up so that the REPLY always goes to the SENDER
: rather than to the list so when anybody tries to do a REPLY then they 
: get their reply bounced back at them with a message like.
: 
: **   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
: **550 <Rob.Harper@fi.csc>... Host unknown
: 
: As far as I can see this reversal of addresses only takes place when someone
: uses E-mail to post to the DARESBURY BioSci node and not if they post E-mail
: to the GENBANK node. Neither is there any problem when followups are done
: via Usenet/Netnews.
: 
: Perhaps this slight inconsistancy could be looked into, and people should be
: aware that in the "big world" node names take the form 
: @sub-domanin.domain.country for example @convex.csc.fi

JANET mailers invert addresses to world order automatically when
sending non-JANET mail.  Unfortunately, the From field is not normally
under the control of the message originator - it is constructed by the
mailer and required to conform to UK order for use on JANET.

To the best of my knowledge (not great!) the mailer inverts the address
if the top level domain is unknown.  Some 'JANET' sites can now send
Internet mail, but only those with JIPS access.  You might be
interested (irritated?) to know that your 'From" field is inverted (to
UK order) in the message I am reading now (BIOFORUM) but is inverted
again (!) if I reply to you by email.

I'm replying to bioforum@daresbury by editing the To: field manually.

	Tony.

--
Dr. A.J.Travis,                       |  Tony Travis
Rowett Research Institute,            |  JANET: <ajt@uk.ac.sari.rri>
Greenburn Road, Bucksburn,            |  other: <ajt@rri.sari.ac.uk>
Aberdeen, AB2 9SB. UK.                |  phone: 0224-712751
Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11: 09:08 +0100
               Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12: 10:49 +0100
From: amolina@es.cica (amolina)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: bionette stuff
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:10:49 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Content-Identifier: 75
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------------------------------ Start of body part 1

   

------------------------------ Start of forwarded message 1

Delivery-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:05:40 +0100
From: amolina <amolina@es.cica>
To: bioforum@daresbury.ac.uc (Receipt Notification Requested) (Non Receipt Notification Requested)
Subject: bionette stuff
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 10:09:27 +0000

	In a recent e-mail, Dave Kristofferson says " (...) I humbly
submit that if women scientists feel the need for a group like bio- 
nette, then I can't take quite seriously statesments from men that
women are already equal".
	Very good point. Of course women ARE equal even if they are
(and are) in a system that discriminates them. All of us accept (I
think) women and men scientists have the same capacity of producing
good science (science doesn't depend on gonads), but my oppinion about
bionette is contrary because I do believe their problem are better dis-
cussed in an "asexual" forum. I am very interestied on the minority
problems in science (fortunately women are becomin MAJORITY, with time)
and think if we want to tend to INTEGRATION we MUST put all the problems,
ideas, dreams, pains, etc. on A COMMON TABLE to discuss it. Of course I
have not voted against bionette because I assume every group can do
things as tey want, but I keep on thinking bionette is a bad idea.

	This discussion arrives a little late, I know. Personally, I
was in a holidays and didn't pay attention to other things different
from sun, poetry and playng the guitar. But I don't care if votation
is finishing this week (is it?), probably my Latin blood tends to dis-
cuss everything, and to consider things with (too much?) passion, even
.... out of time.

	Don't you think if discrimination against women also concerns
to men?, think if it exists (and all of us do know that), probably
are men who exert it and must be educated (sometimes reeducated), so
discussion of women problem in a common place will allow us (men and
women scientists) to see things better. Or at least it should ...

					Sincerely,

				Antonio Molina.


Don Quijote rises again.

	-----------------------------------

	Antonio Molina-Pachsn,
	Depto. de Fisiologma y Biofmsica,
	Fac. de Medicina, Univ. de Sevilla, 
	Avda. Sanchez Pizjuan 4, 41009 Sevilla,
				SPAIN.

	Ph. no. + 34 5 490 00 66
	Fax no. + 34 5 490 00 67
	e-mail    amolina@cica.es
	
	------------------------------------

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From: WMELCHIOR@NTET.NCTR.FDA.GOV (Bill Melchior, NCTR/FDA)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: bionette stuff
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:14:33 GMT
Distribution: bionet

Dave K wrote, regarding the proposed bionette group:

>There is no reason to believe that anything is wrong
>with the bionet.ANNOUNCE distribution

I agree.  I printed off both a preliminary announcement and the official call
for votes to give to various women where I work.  And I think I recall seeing
a followup announcement as well.  I suspect that these postings
were simply not noticed at the time.  (Perhaps BIONETTE was an unfortunate
name that led to people hitting KILL without reading.)

I'm interested in and sympathetic with the plight of women in science (and other
traditionally male activities).  There is a fledgling group of women in 
cancer research, with registration at the latest national meeting of the Amer.
Assoc. for Cancer Res., with the idea of getting increased representation on 
grant panels, etc.  Here at NCTR there's a branch of American Women in
Science.  While I've not voted on bionette, I think the proposed group might be 
a good idea; I just hope that it will eventually become unecessary.
________________________________________________________________________________
The opinions stated are mine, not those of NCTR or its sponsoring organizations.

Bill Melchior                                ||   "You have lawyers the way
National Center for Toxicological Research   ||    other people have mice."
Jefferson, AR  72079                         ||
(501) 543-7206                               ||   -Kenneth Duncan, English
                                             ||    Health & Safety Executive,
WMELCHIOR@NTDOC.NCTR.FDA.GOV                 ||    to US regulators
From: rybicki@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: FAO data access?
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:46:57 +0200
Organization: University of Cape Town

In article <92227.080946STROBELF@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, <STROBELF@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
> I'm posting this for a friend: would anybody know whether (and if yes, where)
> FAO data is accessible somewhere on the net? Thanks a lot.
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Frank Strobel, Dept. of Economics, Queen's University, Kingston, Canada
>  e-mail:  STROBELF@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------

Me too, please!

Ed Rybicki
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: maize bioforum
Date: 22 Aug 92 19:10:12 -0500
Distribution: bionet
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I, too, would prefer to see maize discussions on bionet.plants -- at least
until the corn starts swamping everyone else out.  I used to work on
the shattercane sorghums, and sorghum, of course, has strong biological
affinities to maize.  Seems to me that some cross-pollination might be
useful here!

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
From: kristoff@GENBANK.BIO.NET (Dave Kristofferson)
Newsgroups: bionet.general
Subject: Re: bionette stuff
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:39:03 GMT
Distribution: bionet


Here are the headers from the original postings in case anyone wants
to check their archives.

Dave K.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

From bionet.announce Tue Aug 18 13:41:43 1992
From: kristoff@genbank.bio.net (David Kristofferson)
Newsgroups: bionet.announce
Subject: CALL FOR DISCUSSION: bionet.bionette
Date: 9 Jul 92 22:18:29 GMT
Distribution: bionet
Organization: GenBank Online Service

We have received a proposal for a new newsgroup, bionet.bionette
(e-mail address: BIONETTE).

Discussion will now be open through 23 July on BIOFORUM/bionet.general
(*not* on BIONEWS/bionet.announce).



From bionet.announce Tue Aug 18 13:41:51 1992
From: kristoff@genbank.bio.net (David Kristofferson)
Newsgroups: bionet.announce
Subject: CALL FOR VOTES: bionet.bionette
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:18:51 GMT
Reply-To: biovote@genbank.bio.net

Voting is now open on bionet.bionette.  Here is the charter as
presented previously.




From bionet.announce Tue Aug 18 13:42:06 1992
From: kristoff@genbank.bio.net (David Kristofferson)
Newsgroups: bionet.announce
Subject: 2ND and FINAL CALL FOR VOTES: bionet.bionette
Date: 8 Aug 92 00:36:41 GMT
Reply-To: biovote@genbank.bio.net

This is the final call for votes on bionet.bionette.  Here is the
charter as presented previously.
From: pw@CUBMOL.BIO.COLUMBIA.EDU (Paul Wakenight)
Newsgroups: bionet.xtallography
Subject: mouse dhfr
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:31:08 GMT
Distribution: bionet

Sorry about the last posting. I failed to append any text. Here is what I
meant to say.  Does anyone have that mouse dhfr structure in .pdb or any
other format.  It was orig. published in 1987 (FEBS Letters 218(1), pp. 
178-184) by Stammers, et al.
Failing that, does anyone have the address, phone #, e-mail address, etc.
for Stammers, Champness, Beddell, Dann at Wellcome Research Labs in Beckenham,
England

or 

Eliopoulos, Geddes, Ogg and North at Astbury Dept. of Biophysics at University
of Leeds, England.

Thanks in advance.

Paul Wakenight
pw@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu