From: PXP111@PSUVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.hellas
Subject: RE: Ioustinianos (Mia dior8wsn)
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:01:00 GMT
Reply-To: PXP111@PSUVM.BITNET
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Grafei o Georgos Savopulos (GSAVOPUL@UCS.INDIANA.EDU) avamesa sta
evdiaferovta gia tous autokratores Ioustiviavo I kai Iouliavo:
>
> To oti to koptiko alfabnto 0a epikratouse telika einai bebaio
> (3erei mnpws kavevas Ellnvas va grafei se grammikn B' ;;)

Bebaiotata! No sweat.. Isws kai va prepei va epavalabw tn diale3n
pou edwsa sto S.C.G. Eykolo: avti gia "Kvwssos" 8a leme "KO-NO-SO"
ki avti gia "geia sou re paidi pou nsouva;" 8a grapsw me ta symbo-
la: "GIA...SOY...RE...PE-NTI...POY...I-SOU-NA; "

> Htav pavtws evas apo tous  ikavoterous autokratores tou Buza-
> vtiou (isws o ikavoteros...).  Ektos apo tis stratiwtikes tou
> epituxies (apokrousn twv Perswn,  avaktnsn Italias, B.Afrikns
> kai tmnmatos tns Ispavias)

H apokrousn twv Perswv eivai (to ligotero) amfisbntoumevn dioti n
aytokratoria plnrwve ypsnlotata teln sto Xosron, ypestn treis di-
adoxikes tapeivwseis ap' tous Iravous Sassavides, ernmwsn stn Sy-
ria, katestrofn tou tritou spoudeoterou kevtrou tns autokratorias
(Avtixeias),  katastrofn stous pln8ysmous tns Ibnrias (Kaykasou),
ki Armevias, evw xa8nke kai n Lazikn.
Oi snmavtikes epityxies pou avaferovtai parapavw -ki evvoeis mal-
lov n apokastasn tou Imperiun se Afrikn, Ispavia- ntav stnv prag-
matikotnta sapouvofouskes!  Tnv epoxn pou o Ioustiviavos estelve
tous stratngous tou edw, ki ekei, kai para pera...  katereusav oi
as8eveis amyvtikes grammes tou Douvabn ki oi Slaboi ftasav ws tis
8ermopyles kai ligo argotera kai stnv Pelopovvnso!
    (Ki ws kai snmera trexoume  kai dev proftaivoume me tis syve-
    peies, alla koteume va xasoume tov Ale3avdro kai tov Perdikka
    stous epilndes Slabous!  O Mayrikios l.x. stnv kyrole3ia "pa-
    relabe xaos kai kamevn gn" pou elege ki o Avtrikos Del 'Passo
    to 1981... Ti va sou kave; Ase pou bgaivei ki o Fwkas kai tou
    sampotarei to ergo.)
Ma ti ka8omai kai lew...  edw oi Slaboi ftasav stnv Kwvstavtivou-
poln to 557 mx kai me xilia zoria  katafere kai skarwse mia amyva
tnv teleutaia stigmn o gnraios Belissarios p' avakln8nke epi tou-
tou...

> afnse kai snmavtiko vomo0etiko ergo.

Nai,  o ekplnktikos Tribwviavos  ekave tn syllogn  alla o Iwavvns
Kappadokns pou apavwta topo8etn8nke sta posta avelabe va ta efar-
mwsei kai katafere va givei to misntotero proswpo sto lao.
Oxi oti ki o basileus pngaive pisw, isws kai gi' ayto o laos pro-
ebnv stn stasn tou Nika to 532 mx me koivn prospa8eia tov Bevetwv
kai twv Prasivwv (dnladn tou PAO-OSFP tns epoxns... Av ki edw pou
     ta leme oi kokkivoi eixav pesei stn B'E8vikn tote, kai o E8-
     vikos Peir. h o Paviwvios epaize to rolo twv "Bevetwv".  Av
     ki oso to skeftomai giati  va mplekoume omades; PASOK-ND sas
     lew kai katalabaivomaste: Prasivoi kai mple...).
Na favtasteite oute kav xrismevo ngetn eixav oi a8eofoboi kai ar-
xisav va krazouv to adiavonto apo tnv epoxn twv Grakxwv gia kamia
600aria xrovia "Filav8rwpwv Prasivwv kai Bevetwv polla ta etn"!!
Oute "Aygoustos", oute "Kaisaras", Oute "Imperator"...  oi prwto-
kommouvistes,  ki argotera pou nr8av sta sygkala tous oi prasivo-
frouroi kai oi "galazioi" twv topikwv orgavwsewv  pai3av to amfi-
sbntoumevo stemma se mia tompola.
     Evetelws plnroforiaka sas lew oti ntav kai to teleutaio tyxe-
     ro tous paigvidi  dioti  kati wres meta nr8av ta swmata asfa-
     leias tou "Filav8rwpou Basilews"  (ka8oti n tompola pou amfi-
     sbntei tnv e3ousia, se dnmosious xwrous  diwketo kai tote apo
     to vomo) kai egive to Ippodromio sfageio kai kanke n Agia So-
     fia klp.. Fysika gia ola touta ta kamwmata tou "ev pistw Xri-
     stw tw 8ew" Isapostolou  eu8uveto ekeivn n tews akrobatisa n
     8eodwra...
     Mnv 3avakousw loipov grivies gia ta mat h  oti kati psilogre-
     mistnstnke stn Stourvarn kai Patnsiwv. Sygkrivetai to Polyte-
     xveio me Agia Sofia, ki Ippodromo, ki Agious Apostolous...;

> Telos,  gia to 0ema tns morfwsns,  einai arketo to gegovos  oti
> epi epoxns tou  toso n Rabevva tns Italias oso kai n Kwvstavti-
> voupoln gemnsav apo mvnmeia.

Kai epi Sylla gemise n Rwmn ellnvika agalmata...  klemeva apo tnv
Ellada!   Kai boulia3av ta rwmaika ploia mesa stov Peiraia, giati
dev pairav allo!  So what?  Dev eivai epixeirnma touto.
To 529 mx. ekleise tnv Platwvikn Akadnmia twv A8nvwv, afnrese tis
didaktikes adeies twv ka8ngntwv kai me tnv telikn kataln3n/diwgmo
twv logiwv stnv persikn auln vekrwse apotelesmatikotata to arxai-
oellnviko e8viko stoixeio...
Exovtas epavwr8wsei aytnv tnv xm... avakribeia, ofeilw va omognsw
oti parapnra to Giwrgo sto movoterma,   dioti to arxiko meros tns
frasns toy edw eivai akribestato. Gia va poume tou strabou to di-
kio o Ioustiviavos I ntav apo ta pio morfwmeva pveumata tou aiwva
tou kai paremeive paroimiwdns.  Egrapse ki ekklnsiastikous ymvous
kai 8eologikes pragmateies  kai ypagoreue tn 8elnsn tou  se papes
kai patriarxes, stis ekklnsastikes syvodous, me epixeirnmata pra-
gmatika kalytera apo ekeiva tou avideou Kwvstavtivou I pou pngai-
ve va pai3ei tov "Povtifex Maximus" 3ypolytos sta agka8ia...

>  Suvepeia tns epektatikns politikns tou, ntav n snmavtikn au-
> 3nsn twv esodwv tou kratous,  n au3nsn tou emporiou  ka0ws kai
> tns asfaleias pou enoiw0av oi polites tou Buzavtiou...

Diafwvw rizika! Movo logw tou meta3iou meiw8nke to bary pa8ntiko.
H autokratoria ntav e3avtlnmevn oikovomika meta tis makroxrovies
kai polydapaves stratiwtikes ki alles epixeirnseis. Eav edivotav
estw ki elaxisto peri8wrio avasyvta3ns sto kratos isws va piavav
topo  ta diafora metra kai va eixe dikio o Giwrgos...
Alla ola ta voumera leve diaforetika pragmata opws nr8av ta prag-
mata.

> Oso gia tov Iouliavo, eivai pragmati mia pare3ngnmevn morfn lo-
> gw twv 0rnskeutikwv tou pepoi0hsewv.

Isws va exei dikio o Giwrgos. Av kai -proswpika- dev tov exw poly
pare3ngnmevo.. ka8ws n istoria eivai gvwstn para tnv amayrwsn pou
epixeirnsav merikoi favatikoi metagevesteroi.

                              H periergn eklaikeusn kai ta pardei-
                              gmata apo tov...
                                                          A.Rwmano

YG: Para tis gvwmes kai diafwvies pou e3efrasa,kai tnv oln emmovn
     mou se orismeva snmeia, 8a n8ela va sygxarw to Giwrgo gia tn
     symboln tou sto veo avemo istorikns ereuvas  pou arxizei kai
     3avaxaraktnrizei to HELLAS mas. Merikous sa to Giwrgo xreia-
     zomaste kai sto S.C.Greek pou mas barave alypnta.(Mikrn sym-
     bouln av er8ete paides ekei:   Ka8iste kamia ebdomada gia va
     kopsete tnv kivnsn, tropo dialogou,  oti dev prepei va agki-
     3ete tov SERA-MUTLU para meta apo periskepsn... kok)
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