HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bob@dalek.mwc.com (Bob Hemedinger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Forcing uucico to hangup
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:01:17 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
> ritz@ritz.mordor.com (Christopher Mauritz) writes:
> > I'm having a problem with uucico.  If, for whatever reason, I
> > get a failed login, uucico does not hang up the modem.  I
> > get a message about a failed login in the log file and the
> > abnormal completion message, but uucico quits with the modem
> > still on hook.
> >
> > Normally, I could just set my inactivity register on the modem
> > to hangup after a few minutes of inactivity, but even that
> > doesn't work in this case since I have enabled this serial
> > port to allow logins.  So after uucico dies, the port
> > gets enabled and starts arguing with my machine over the
> > login: prompt.
>
> Be sure that your modem is capable (configured) to recognize a change in
> states on the DTR pin so that when uucico drops, your modem recognizes this.
>
> If your modem is like most, it's probably merely a matter of setting the
> &D to &D3 which according to my Hayes manual is to do the following:
>
> 	Monitor DTR signal.  When an on-to-off transition of DTR occurs
> 	hang-up and perform a reset.
>
> After setting this be sure to save your configuration in the modem's
> non-volatile memory.  Typcially this is done via a command like AT&W0, which
> stores the set-up as profile 0.

It would also help to know which version of uucico you're running... later
versions of uucico have been updated to terminate a connection more quickly
than the earlier versions.

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From: ritz@ritz.mordor.com (Christopher Mauritz)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Com port troubles..very confusing..
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:03:58 GMT
Organization: Ritz International, Inc. - Import/Export Consultants
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Duane Davis (system@micromed.com) wrote:
: mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:

: > When I invoke uucico, it:
: > 
: > disables the port
: > sends the init string to the modem
: > immediately (1 second later) enables the port again
: > says that I have a "line problem"
: > Abnormal completion
: > 
: > I would appreciate any help from you guys.  I'm starting to worry
: > about filling up my spool space on my newsfeed site...sigh....
: > 
: > The really weird part is that ckermit has no problems at all using
: > the port/modem.  I'm using it now to dial into my feed site and
: > type this message...
: 
: Have your tried running "uucheck"? I had this same problem and uucheck
: fixed it.

Actually, I have to thank Harry Pulley for the answer.  Somehow
the permissions and file ownership of the com port device files
got clobbered.  The onwership and group were all changed to root
(instead of bin) and the permissions were changed to so that
only root had rw access.  Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr....  I know I didn't
do this myself, as I have gotten out of the habit of logging in
as root so I can only guess that uucico died "ungracefully" on
one of its cron runs and left everything that way.

Cheers,

Chris

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                                    | either.   -Bowie on Madonna-
From: bmyers@shyguy.lonestar.org (bob myers)
Subject: Re: Pascal and Coherent
Organization: 3-B Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:11:47 GMT

as a project, there's allways the conversion of the tiny pascal system that's
been written in basic (check byte magazine, circa sept thru nov 1978).

-bob

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From: tundra@eskimo.chi.il.us (Tundra Tim Daneliuk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Are we dead??
Date: 21 Nov 92 12:09:43 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>
Organization: TundraWare

>
> hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley) writes:
> >
> > Anybody have an idea for a programming project?  I think porting is best
 done
> > alone, unless it's a really big job; the communication overhead would not be
> > worth it.  For a start-from-scratch project, however, it would be
 beneficial.
>
> My vote goes for an (GNU?) emacs port.
>
> ralf

Hear, Hear

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From: bob@dalek.mwc.com (Bob Hemedinger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: various questions
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:53:49 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
> BUCHANAN TIMOTHY E (buchanan@rintintin.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
> [...]
> : Virtual terminals. I read how to attach another keyboard to the serial port.
> : Is this the virtual terminal, or can that be initiated from the console?
>
> Virtual consoles are initiated from the console with ALT + F1, F2...
> Virtual terminals can be handled with the screen3.2 package, which
> is available from MWCBBS and raven.
>
> : Has lint been ported?
>
> Lint may not be ported, because it's a copyrighted program from USL, which
> is part of UNIX System V. Seems that there is no public domain or freeware
> version available. If someone knows about a commercial version, which comes
> with sources and is under $100 please let me know. I would take a look
> at it and try to port it to COHERENT.

FlexiLint from Gimpel Software will run under 4.0, but the price is > $100.00
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From: kkress@phent.UUCP (Kenneth R. Kress)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: UUCP and net woes
Keywords: uucp Taylor Elm bison pubdir
Date: 18 Nov 92 09:45:48 GMT
Organization: That's Entertainment BBS


Help and double help,
	Apparently I've been unable to post for more than month
and (it is insidious torture to post, see the post locally and then wait
by the tube waiting for a reply that will never come!). My litany
of problems are:
	1. Can't post using the installable wnews from Bob@mwc.
	2. Can't get Taylor binaries from Bob@mwc to work.
	2. Can't make source for Taylor (lack Bison for parsedate?)
	3. Can't retrieve files from Internet (see below).
	4. Running qfind -b brings down my aha (Adaptec SCSI) driver
and freezes the hard disk.

	I'm pulling out my hair trying to get internet stuff by
way of an mail-ftp-server. Using Coherent's uucp, I have no
trouble communicating to my link to the net, but once that
machine has retrieved the file and tries to send it to me I get:

> Received: by phent.UUCP (smail2.5.3-coh) id AA00421; 26 Oct 92 23:42:22 
> Message-Id: <9210262342.AA420.V1.4@phent.UUCP>
> Date: 26 Oct 92 23:42:22
> From: uucp@phent.UUCP (Coherent-Coherent copy)
> To: kkress
> From: UUCP V4.0.2S

> The file:	Remote access/agrep-2.04.tar.Z
> Received from:	dsinc!/tmp/d.20835.1/agrep-2.04.tar.Z
> FAILED
> Reason: No permission to write file "Remote access/agrep-2.04.tar.Z"

	The tilde expansion works fine when my uucp requests
a file from a remote machine. But in the case of the mailserver,
the remote is sending something to me and the tilde expansion fails.
	 When the remote system uses a hard-coded pathname
 to uucppublic or /tmp, everything works!
	The mail-server is automated, so it's not feasible to
hard code the pubdir pathname.
		*	*	*
	I thought I might have better luck with the Taylor uucp
and installed binaries Bob@mwc sent (uucico, uuxqt, uucp, uux). I
wrote sys and port configuration files that seem to work only so
far. When I talk to my netlink, I get: 

> uucp dsinc (10/30-00:09:59,6899,0) Calling system dsinc (port com1fl)
> uucp dsinc (10/30-00:10:38,6899,0) Login successful
> uucp dsinc (10/30-00:10:40,6899,0) Handshake successful (protocol 'g' packet size 64 window 7)
> uucp dsinc (10/30-00:10:42,6899,0) ERROR: Received garbled command "S"
> uucp dsinc (10/30-00:12:52,6899,0) ERROR: Timed out waiting for packet
> uucp dsinc (10/30-00:12:52,6899,0) Protocol 'g' packets: sent 1, resent 0, received 3
> uucp dsinc (10/30-00:12:52,6899,0) Call complete (145 seconds)
> uucp dsinc (10/30-00:13:05,6899,0) Enabling port
> uucp dsinc (10/30-00:29:37,6957,0) coh_tty: Disabling device /dev/com1fl {com1}

If you see this post, feel free to tackle any one of the problems
enumerated above.
	
			Ken
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: file too large for me
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 23:36:39 GMT

John D. Boggs (jboggs@news.weeg.uiowa.edu) wrote:
: That's me as in micro-emacs, not as in myself :)
: 
: So, how do I edit a file that's too big for micro-emacs?  I tried using
: vi once and it was unceremoniously truncated.  I really do want to edit
: the documentation for xc so that it will print properly under 3.2.1's
: somewhat quirky nroff.

Use split to split the file into smaler parts, edit them and use cat
to concatenate the parts. Vi works under 3.2 on large files it never
truncated a file here. BTW, the doc for xc needs tbl to format right.
It's much less work to copy the doc file to an large SV system, format
it there and use the output for COHERENT.
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From: fredex@fcshome.UUCP (fred smith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: MGR (was Re: Are we dead??)
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:29:40 GMT
Organization: What?!? Absolutely none!
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Bill Whedon (whedon@netcom.com) wrote:
: As to graphics standards to code to, I suggest we stick to those defined
: in the VESA VBE 1.2 Standard.  That covers most of the older ones (640x480xn,
: 800x600xn, etc), and prevents a lot of wasted time on weird things nobody
: uses any more except a few die-hards with antiques they don't want to dump
: (like me, on one of my machines :-)  )  Windows/Dos Developers Journal did a
: nice rundown on VBE in their October, 1992 issue, if you need a reference.
: Cheers,
: Bill Whedon   whedon@netcom.com 
: 

One VGA video mode to consider is what Michael Abrash (of DDJ) calls
"mode-X". Which is apparently supported by all vga cards (but not, as I
recall, the BIOS), and offers significant advantages for graphics
programming. As I remember Michael's articles, he says that pixels are
square, you get 16 colors, and video memory is laid out in such a way as
to be very fast and easy to update the display. He has published a
series of articles in DDJ over the last year or so about doing fast
animatin in Mode X.  For serious graphics it might be worth looking at.
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From: hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley)
Subject: Re: MGR (was Re: Are we dead??)
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 14:18:49 GMT

In article <9211201547@fcshome.UUCP> fredex@fcshome.UUCP (fred smith) writes:
>Bill Whedon (whedon@netcom.com) wrote:
>: As to graphics standards to code to, I suggest we stick to those defined
>: in the VESA VBE 1.2 Standard.  That covers most of the older ones (640x480xn,
>: 800x600xn, etc), and prevents a lot of wasted time on weird things nobody
>: uses any more except a few die-hards with antiques they don't want to dump
>: (like me, on one of my machines :-)  )  Windows/Dos Developers Journal did a
>: nice rundown on VBE in their October, 1992 issue, if you need a reference.
>: Cheers,
>: Bill Whedon   whedon@netcom.com 
>: 
>
>One VGA video mode to consider is what Michael Abrash (of DDJ) calls
>"mode-X". Which is apparently supported by all vga cards (but not, as I
>recall, the BIOS), and offers significant advantages for graphics
>programming. As I remember Michael's articles, he says that pixels are
>square, you get 16 colors, and video memory is laid out in such a way as
>to be very fast and easy to update the display. He has published a
>series of articles in DDJ over the last year or so about doing fast
>animatin in Mode X.  For serious graphics it might be worth looking at.

Correct me if I am wrong, but... isn't mode X 320x240x256 resolution? 

While this is a good resolution for games, it is not very good for windowed 
systems.

I think that Hercules and VGA 640x480x16 will be the first modes that I am 
going to try.  Once we get something working we'll see about getting other
modes, VESA standard, etc.

Harry
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: large memory allocation problems (was Re: memory protection ?)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 14:52:09 GMT

H.C. Pulley (hcp@csx.cciw.ca) wrote:
: While I have never seen a panic due to large memory allocations I have seen a
: wierd problem.  I wasn't sure whether or not this was a site-specific problem 
: so I kept my mouth shut.  Let's see if any of you have experienced this:
: 
: If I run Empire (a game which is ~80K on disk but explodes to 1.1M in core) 
: when there are few programs running, the program crashes with the message that
: an allocation was truncated from ~800K to ~500K.  If some programs are loaded,
: then it works fine.

I can't reproduce the problem here. Empire runs without this error message,
if it is the only programm runned from one active login. It also runs,
if a lot of other processes are active from other logins. It doesn't start,
if there isn't enough memory left for it, but it doesn't crash my system.
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: ansipc terminfo problems
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 20:24:18 GMT

Patrick White (patbob@sequent.com) wrote:
: 	Rebooting is a bit extreme to fix this.. all you need to do is to
: echo the initialization string from the ansipc entry.  I have a shell script

Type ESC c to reset the console to initial state.
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From: berk@techsys.mcws.fidonet.org ("", Berk Walker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Are we dead??
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:07:18 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>
Organization: Private for Now

>
>
> =====================================================
> Shannon Hendrix                |shendrix@pcs.cnu.edu
> Christopher Newport University |---------------------
> Newport News, VA               |** space for rent **
> =====================================================

Excellent post.
Berk
From: ben@bailey.UUCP (Ben Bailey)
Subject: Re: mwcbbs contents...
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:37:26 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ben Bailey's Home..Tampa Fl.

alex@meadow.uucp (Alex Dumitru) writes:
> one hears a lot about all the stuff that mw makes available on their bbs.
> how about a monthly posting of the contents of /usr/spool/uucppublic
> on mwcbbs? 
> i realize that they have a content file (info/whatever), but being kind of
> lazy i would prefer to see it in the newsgroup, rather than having to dial
> up and uucp it across.
> 
> anybody else have any opinions on this?

Yes, sounds like you want someone else to not be lazy, and to pay for the
call. :-)


> 
> cheers
> alex
> -- 
> 
> Only a surfer knows the feeling... [ alex@meadow.uucp alex@bedrock.guild.org ]
> 

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: qq on raven.alaska.edu- ???
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:30:32 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <1992Nov19.135022.10376@panix.com> cht@panix.com (Chris Taylor) writes:
>Hi!
>
>How does one go about actually using qq, which is a loadable VGA screen driver
>available on raven.alaska.edu? It looks interesting, but I am not familiar
>with how such things are used. Do you integrate it into a larger C program?
>
>Forgive my overt expression of cluelessness %^)
>
>Many thanks in advance!
>
>PS- I have Coho 4.0

QQ is meant to be used with the Coherent 3.x, which is the 286 version.
It requires the Device Developer Kit.

It will not work with Coherent 4.x.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: cht@panix.com (Chris Taylor)
Subject: qq on raven.alaska.edu- ???
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:50:22 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

Hi!

How does one go about actually using qq, which is a loadable VGA screen driver
available on raven.alaska.edu? It looks interesting, but I am not familiar
with how such things are used. Do you integrate it into a larger C program?


Forgive my overt expression of cluelessness %^)

Many thanks in advance!

PS- I have Coho 4.0
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From: batchelor@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Dave Batchelor, Space Phys. Data Facil. 301/286-2988)
Subject: Re: Does the new Coherent work on a 386sx?
Summary:  Coherent 4.0.1 works fine on my 386SX
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  386SX
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:11:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.164024.10651@sarah.albany.edu>, dfp10@thor.albany.edu (D Parsons) writes...
>Does the new 32 bit COHERENT work on the 386sx or does it need a full
>32 bit processor like 386dx? Are there any advantages in a 486? How 
>much simms memory is needed? I want to put a new motherbaord in my
>286.
>   Perhaps a more important question is what are the risks of 
>installation problems if I upgrade? What will i gain over the 16 bit
>COHERENT? Thanks, Don
> 
>-- 
> 
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>PO Box 509, Albany, NY 12201-0509. (518)474-7047 Fax: (518)474-7992
>dfp10@uacsc2.albany.edu dfp10@albnydh2.bitnet Cis 71777,212

Versions 3.2.1 and 4.0.1 have both run correctly on my WIN Labs 386SX.
(I don't do much with it yet, however, lacking VGA graphics support).

])ave
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From: system@micromed.com (Duane Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Com port troubles..very confusing..
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:10:44 GMT
Organization: Micro-Medic BBS - +1 408 279 5240 - Public Access

mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:

> I'm getting very frustrated with my system. :-)  Suddenly, without
> any apparent reason, my uucico cannot dial out anymore.  I have
> cranked up the debug level and I can only get it to say "line problem".
> I remembered in the past that I got this error when all of the baud
> rates in the various config files didn't agree.  However, this should
> not be the case as I haven't changed anything and it worked yesterday!
> 
> When I invoke uucico, it:
> 
> disables the port
> sends the init string to the modem
> immediately (1 second later) enables the port again
> says that I have a "line problem"
> Abnormal completion
> 
> I would appreciate any help from you guys.  I'm starting to worry
> about filling up my spool space on my newsfeed site...sigh....
> 
> The really weird part is that ckermit has no problems at all using
> the port/modem.  I'm using it now to dial into my feed site and
> type this message...

Have your tried running "uucheck"? I had this same problem and uucheck
fixed it.


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From: a10@server.uwindsor.ca (FUERST.D                 )
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Coherent - the ultimate BBS in itself?
Keywords: BBS
Date: 24 Nov 1992 02:56:49 GMT
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada

In article <1992Nov22.202214.15502@acme.gen.nz> kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
>
>Sorry, I'd have to disagree. The typical BBS user is about as thick as two
>short planks, and can't cope with anything remotely complex in terms of user
>interface. If you want people to call your system and not all those MSDOS
>BBSs you need a good user interface. I personally prefer working from the
>shell, but for many people that's an order of magnitude too complex.
>
>Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 6 3551342

Why is it that each computer user thinks that they're the only genius in the 
world, and that everyone else doesn't have two neurons to rub together?

I think that a public access UNIX system is a fine idea.  People who want to
will take the time to learn how to use it.  The others will buy Macs.


                                                    Darren

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