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From: joyce@deco.csd.sgi.com (Joyce Richards)
Subject: hunting for collectibles 
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:45:40 GMT

well.  a few weeks ago i posted that i had found a small milk bottle
that had 5 cents on it and wondered what it's worth.
i now know the answer:  $8.00 here in this market. (the bay area).
i asked a local dealer.

i attended the vallco village show on november 15th in cupertino, CA.
the show was once smaller.  it's become a very, very popular show.  and prices
are up.  i *like* the show.  it's once a month, with november and december's shows
being moved up.  normally, this antique show is the last sunday of the month.
i found a nice piece of early CA pottery there.  the show has a nice, friendly
atmosphere, and the prices are fair, though as i said going up...
 
on a different subject, has anyone been to the gene autry cowboy museum in
griffith park in Los Angeles.  i just heard about it.  it sounds like it would be great.

joyce.

-- 
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          joyce richards       PSE       
          joyce@sgi.com        Silicon Graphics, Inc.

  "The urn has today supplanted the stag as the going favorite of
   cast-iron garden collectibles...Also gaining popularity in today's
   gardens are the whippets and stags of yore."
Newsgroups: rec.antiques,rec.photo
From: smith@sctc.com (Rick Smith)
Subject: Re: Need Help Appraising Old Cameras
Organization: SCTC
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:18:38 GMT

My own rule of thumb is if something was cheap when it was
manufactured it's not going to be worth much when it gets older, even
if you call it an "antique."  There are very few exceptions, when
compared to the amount of old, cheaply manufactured stuff in the
world.

In regards to the list of old mass-market snapshot cameras... I'd be
surprised if any were worth much. They're the sort of thing I've seen
sell for a few dollars in antique stores and even less in estate
auctions. They're harder for most people to use as cameras since they
take the older, harder to find film sizes, and they often require
flashbulbs, which nobody wants to bother with any more.

Now, if you had an old professional camera we're in a whole different
league. They're often worth a lot to collectors and even to pros who
might still use compatible equipment. Camera stores often stock old
equipment of this kind, and won't bother with old snapshot cameras.

Rick.
smith@sctc.com        arden hills, minnesota
Newsgroups: rec.antiques
From: jsodero@mta.ca
Subject: info-Sotheby's
Reply-To: jsodero@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:42:59 GMT

I am interested in the courses which Sotheby's and Christie's sometime
hold.  Does anybody out there know anything about them?  Or does anybody
have proper addresses for the auction houses in New York and maybe even 
those in Toronto??
   Thanks in advance

                                   jane
                                     (jsodero@mta.ca
                                             or
                                          jsodero@mta.bitnet)
Newsgroups: rec.antiques,rec.music.makers,misc.consumers,rec.music.classical
From: wb@tornado.kodak.com (wb@tornado.kodak.com)
Subject: FOR SALE: A.R.T. SGE Mach 2 Digital/Analog Effectors
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. (Telstar), Rochester, N.Y. 14653
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:19:13 GMT


Posting for a friend w/o Internet/USENET access. Respond to the
email address below.

FOR SALE: A.R.T. SGE Mach 2 -- Digital/Analog Mulitple Effects Device
          $350 (if buyer pre-pays, seller will pay shipping)

This unit is in pristine shape. It is 2 years old and has hardly
been used. Never been out of the house!

Details:
*) Single space rack unit.

*) Upto 12 effects at once.
   Upto 8 analog effects at once; Upto 4 digital effects at once

*) Digital Effects:
   Lotsa Reverbs/Chorus/Flange/Pitch Shifter/Mono & Stereo Delays

*) Analog Effects:
   Harmonic Exciter/Compressor/Limiter/Expander/Distortion
   Envelope Filter/3-band EQ/Speaker Simulator

*) Signal-To-Noise Ratio: > 90 db
   i.e., SUPER quiet from a recordng point of view.

Reason for selling: seller is returning to college to finish
Master's in Archaeology and dirt and digital hardware just
don't mix! :-)

Interested parties please respond to:

	wb@tornado.kodak.com

From: anne@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Anne Shatrau)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:42:55 GMT
Subject: In search of Aurora
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: rec.antiques

Hi,

I collect (or try to collect) cobalt depression glass in the "Aurora"
pattern.  It has become very hard to find this pattern in the pacific
northwest in recent years.  I believe there are only 7 pieces to the
pattern: tumbler, tea cup, saucer, luncheon plate, creamer, large bowl
and small bowl.

I have seen pictures of the small bowl in Gene Florence's book on
depression glass, and I've talked to people at antique shows who claim
to have seen them, but I have NEVER laid eyes on one.  I also have run
into people who tell me that there is only one bowl in the Aurora
pattern.

So, does anyone out there know about these mysterious bowls?  Or better yet,
does anyone out there have pieces of Aurora (especially the small bowls!)
that they are interested in selling?

I'm looking forward to your answers!

anne@hp-pcd
From: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Notre Dame vs Penn State
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:14:37 GMT
Reply-To: 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon)
Distribution: na
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

I just want to thank the person of persons who gave me advice on the Notre Dame,Penn State. I just want to say that I went ahead and put $1000 on pen state,
instead of notre dame.  Does any body have a early line on the Cal - Stanford-
game this week "Big Game".  
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jefft@athena.mit.edu (Jeff Tang)
Subject: Not the Monty Haul problem
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:06:57 GMT


Something that's been bugging me.


Question:

You're given two envelopes and told that the contents are determined
randomly, except that one has twice as much money as the other.  You open
one envelope and find 1 unit.  Now, you're given the opportunity to either
take the unit you found, or give it up and take the contents of the other
envelope.  What do you do?

Answer 1:
Well, since there wasn't really any information revealed by opening the
envelope, switching to the other envelope wouldn't be any different than
choosing that envelope in the first place.  Therefore, it doesn't matter if
you switch.

Answer 2:
Well, the other envelope has either .5 or 2 units.  Since there's a 50%
chance of each of these, you'll come out with 1.25 units on average as
opposed to sticking with the single unit, so you should switch.


What's wrong with one (or both) of these answers?

--
Jeff Tang
jefft@athena.mit.edu
From: kcw@doc.ic.ac.uk (Kim Chung Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: BJ - good reading material
Date: 23 Nov 1992 16:41:32 -0000
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: oak3.doc.ic.ac.uk


I was wondering if anyone could recommend any good books on the more
advanced BlackJack systems that include complete and thorough mathematical
analyses of the systems.  I am intending to carry out various simulations
based on these systems.

Thanks in advance.

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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Bookies Football/Basketball
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:12:44 GMT

In article <1ds9klINNhdu@male.EBay.Sun.COM> 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie
Maycon) writes:
>I am planning on putting alot of money on Norte Dame Fighting Irish this week
>
>They are 9 1/2 point favorites over the Penn State.
>
>I plan on betting $1000.00 on my bookie is that a safe bet to put money
>
>I want to know people's opinion. What are some for sure bets this week in
college football or Pro Football I need some help in betting Please any one
give me advice.
>

I hope you didn't do that.

*****************************************************************
John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
*****************************************************************
From: filipski@acsu.buffalo.edu (Paul Filipski)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Parlay Cards
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:28:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <1efb7eINN8jn@male.EBay.Sun.COM> 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon) writes:
>I have a question concerning parlay cards in nevada.
>
>Do all ties win or lose in nevada?

When I was in LV two years ago, the Mirage was offering a "Ties Win"
football parlay card.  Beneath "Ties Win", in small letters, was
written "all lines half point"!

Paul
-- 
filipski@cs.buffalo.edu
[known world]!sunybcs!filipski
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: rcj2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (ray.c.jender)
Subject: Re: Parlay Cards
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:43:03 GMT

In article <1efb7eINN8jn@male.EBay.Sun.COM> 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon) writes:
>I have a question concerning parlay cards in nevada. Lets say that the 49ers
>are favored by 6 points, if they win by 6 points do you win or lose?
>
>Or do they have to win by 7
>
>
>Do all ties win or lose in nevada?
>
>
>Please someone give me the answer
>
>


	It depends on the type of parley card you are playing.
	Some point spreads on cards always include the hook so
	there are no pushes. I played my first parley card the
	weekend of Nov. 7. I played a "teaser" from the Barbary
	Coast (probably the best place to play). On the teaser
	card, using your example of S.F -6, the teaser would
	have S.F as a pick and it's opponents as +12.
	The only problem is that the payoffs are a lot less and
	you are limited to a maximum $300.00 bet. Pcards are
	fun, but also aggrevating.....
From: slick@netcom.com (Martin Veneroso)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Playing Double-up in roulette
Date: 16 Nov 92 06:16:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

slick@netcom.com (Martin Veneroso) writes:

>    *Beast Insurance!
      ^^^^^ Oops, I made a bit of a (Freudian?) slip there, that should of
            course read: Best Insurance!
-- 
s/Martin Veneroso
slick@netcom.com
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Yeehah!
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:47:08 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

I'm the poor guy in the UK who can't find a nice cheap poker game, I ask 
every 6 months or so and get no response.....
ANYWAY!
Last Thursday my old pal Ralph calls me up, some friends of his are coming 
over the hills to see him, and they play....count me in, quoth I
So Saturday I check my soccer pools entry, and YES! I've won:a 3rd and a 4th 
dividend.  Now given the fact there are 12 score draws and I do the cheapest 
pools company, it's only going to be about 10 quid, but it puts me on a high.
So when I get to the game, I announce that I just can't lose because of this 
and (blow me down with a feather) I was RIGHT!  A 200 unit buy-in gets me 
120 units profit in 5 hours - OK the units were a bit too small to give up 
the day job, but it's percentages that count here!
Texas Hold'Em ??? Too easy! I wasn't even playing well!

        Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty

  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England   (44|0)61-275-6033  
  D.Budd@mcc.ac.uk                                          fax 6040
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: barvian@email.sps.mot.com
Subject: Re: Vegas Trip
Organization: Motorola SPS
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:23:04 GMT

In article <6slc5qs@Unify.Com> bobf@dbrus.Unify.Com (Bob Feldcher) writes:
>
>Casinos that have ATMS often charge a $1 "surcharge".  This surcharge is in
>addition to any that you bank, credit union, or savings and loan may charge.
>

The charge is not made by the casino but rather by the bank that
operates the ATM.  At least the ones I saw in Laughlin work that way.

Either way, it's much preferable to "Casino Cash" where they process
a credit card cash advance, minus 5 or 10% for the effort...


Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Subject: Re: craps
In-reply-to: edan@netcom.com's message of Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:22:33 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: usa
Date: 19 Nov 92 07:00:00

In article <1992Nov19.082233.10603@netcom.com> edan@netcom.com (Edan Shalev) writes:
>
> I just subscribed to this newsgroup so this is probably a FAQ...
> but does anyone have a special combination of bets for craps
> that either cover eachother or come out a bit ahead in the long run?

No.  No such system exists.  You cannot beat craps in the long run,
unless you have extremely talented fingers that can throw any number
on demand.

> my last 2 visits to vegas proved that betting on the 6 and 8 (with odds)
> when the table was "hot" and betting on the dont pass when the table
> was "cold" seemed to have worked well.  I only made about $75/hr
> but for the 2 trips i have gone craps has gotten me ahead, where
> blackjack (with the 5 decks) usually empties my pockets.

You got lucky.
--
Steve Jacobs  ({bellcore,hplabs,uunet}!utah-cs!jacobs, jacobs@cs.utah.edu)
"Don't worry, I just have these harmless pocket rockets...."
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: eric@hup.ucla.edu (Eric J. Splaver)
Subject: Re: Excalibur was {Re: SD rules (was Re: AMEX Trop Deal)
Organization: UCLA Honors and Undergraduate Programs
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:50:41 PST

When I said Excalibullshit I was referring to the sickeningly poor attempt 
to capture a midieval (SP?) theme.  Seems like the only casinos that will be 
in business will be themeparks.  About twenty years ago where the "world 
largest souvenir shop" stands (on the strip) now was a casino with topless 
female bj dealers.  Now that's a theme that screams LAS VEGAS.
As far as SD conditions at the Ex; I've seen two hands of four far more 
than three hands of four, and I too have been shuffled up against when going 
from two hands of $5-10 to one hand of $50.  IMHO if you can't play SD with 
a minimum spread of 1-6 and decent penetration (75%+) you won't live long 
enough to make your play profitable.
________________________
Eric J. Splaver
eric@hup.ucla.edu
(310) 825-2768
From: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: football handicapping
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:02:01 EST
Reply-To: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

Selections for the Week:

Nov 21 * UCLA           + 9  over So. California
Nov 21 * OHIO STATE     + 7  over Michigan
Nov 21 * WASHINGTON ST. + 14 over Washington
Nov 22 * Houston        + 4  over Miami


Recommended money management would be to play %1-%1.5 of a mythical
bankroll per star.

Season 26-17 + 6.9 Units

To everyone that responded about basketball,

  Thank you for your comments. If I see any games in basketball that 
stand out I will send you email. Until the football season is over
I do not expect to pick many basketball games.

                                      Al
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Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jil@donuts0.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: E. Clifton Davis & New Blackjack
Reply-To: jil@donuts0.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 16:04:25 GMT


Got something in the mail re a "free" BJ seminar.  It's run by E. Clifton Davis
who has written a book (they say) entitled "New Blackjack."  Then an agenda is
listed including:

Basic Strategy makes you lose
card counting doesn't work
win 75% of your double downs
win more hands than the dealer
        .
        .
        .

This is followed by endorsements by BJ author Jerry Patterson, BJ dealers,
BJ pit bosses, etc.

Anyone know anything about this??
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Rank of Hold`em Pocket Cards
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:13:05 GMT

In article <17967@autodesk.COM> jamesr@Autodesk.COM (James Rowell) writes:

>mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

>> This statement, along with the reference to Steve Jacobs' posting,
>> leads me to believe that you'd rank hands solely on their chances
>> of being the best hand.  BIG mistake (IMHO).  Consider JTs and 99 -
>> both group 3 hands.  One has a higher probability of winning, but
>> the other, when it wins, has a better chance to win a larger pot.
>> These two factors offset one another, and the EV of each hand is
>> close enough to group them together.

>Interesting point.  But note that I never said anything about SOLELY
>ranking hands in this manner.  I said that given the information, then
>I could make my own judgements about what hands to play.  This may
>in fact involve giving some hands higher importance due to the fact
>that you may win bigger pots with them.

OK -- you should already have that information available.  It can be
found in the book you referenced in your last post.

>I feel, perhaps incorrectly, that your objection to my idea is more
>emotional in that I'm actually critisizing M&S!  Let's not discourage
>genuine scientific enquiry eh?!  Maybe my mistake was claiming that
>what I proposed might be better than M&S.  Perhaps I should have
>left value judgement comments out of my posting.  Live and learn.
>(Malmuth and Sklansky may be amazing, but their just people
>like you and me, no-ones perfect.)

I didn't mean to come across as trying to stifle your viewpoint.  But
the M&S table is still the best resource for assessing starting hands.
If you want to derive your own EV, go for it, but I doubt you'll come
up with dramatically different results (unless your usual game is marked
by unusual playing behavior).

>Hey, Steve, why don't you bail us out of this hole we're digging
>ourselves into! I'd like to hear your views. :-)

It's tough for Steve to type; one hand is busy holding the pocket rockets...


-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: rlw@elan (Robert Wald)
Subject: Re: Las Vegas Advisor Party?
Organization: Princeton University, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:53:08 GMT

mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck) writes:

>In article <1992Nov11.214256.16531@sei.cmu.edu>, weinstoc@sei.cmu.edu (Chuck Weinstock) writes:
>> 
>You're right.  There are an awful lot of freebies going around in December.
>Of the 18 nights I'll be in the area (Dec 4-21), I only have to pay for
>lodging for 5 nights personally.  Part of that is because the company is
>paying the convention nights, but I'm doing similar to you, in that I'm
>taking 3 free nights at the Flamingo, one at the Stardust, and the two at
>Harrah's.


  Where are there free nights coming from? THe convention? I'm planning a trip
during December. THanks


-ROb









Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jamesr@Autodesk.COM (James Rowell)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Rank of Hold`em Pocket Cards
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:31:36 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

> This statement, along with the reference to Steve Jacobs' posting,
> leads me to believe that you'd rank hands solely on their chances
> of being the best hand.  BIG mistake (IMHO).  Consider JTs and 99 -
> both group 3 hands.  One has a higher probability of winning, but
> the other, when it wins, has a better chance to win a larger pot.
> These two factors offset one another, and the EV of each hand is
> close enough to group them together.

Interesting point.  But note that I never said anything about SOLELY
ranking hands in this manner.  I said that given the information, then
I could make my own judgements about what hands to play.  This may
in fact involve giving some hands higher importance due to the fact
that you may win bigger pots with them.

> And as Sklansky is so fond of saying, the object of poker is not
> to win pots, but to win money.  So, using a formal table of winning
> probability is a flawed way to rank starting hands.

I'm in agreement with your statement above, but to claim that ranking
hands in a formal way is flawed is slightly overkill.  One could take
such a formally derived table, factor in expected winnings for the
given hands and then derive an M&S type table.  Perhaps that's what
they did.

I feel, perhaps incorrectly, that your objection to my idea is more
emotional in that I'm actually critisizing M&S!  Let's not discourage
genuine scientific enquiry eh?!  Maybe my mistake was claiming that
what I proposed might be better than M&S.  Perhaps I should have
left value judgement comments out of my posting.  Live and learn.
(Malmuth and Sklansky may be amazing, but their just people
like you and me, no-ones perfect.)

Hey, Steve, why don't you bail us out of this hole we're digging
ourselves into! I'd like to hear your views. :-)

James.
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: messiah@nevada.edu (MHW)
Subject: net tournament standing?
Originator: messiah@redrock.nevada.edu
Keywords: WHA?
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:44:15 GMT

As is common knowledge by now, the net.poker.server is on the fritz. I was
wondering if there was anyone out there that "inc"-ed a recent copy of the
tournament status report for all the participants. If so would that someone
be so kind as to post/mail it? Thanx...

Marco.



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