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From: tozaki@math.keio.ac.jp (Hidekazu TOZAKI)
Subject: Re: No Response to English Articles? [English]
Followup-To: fj.misc
Organization: Faculty of Sci. and Tech., Keio Univ., Yokohama, Japan.
	<2184@aegis.or.jp> <TOZAKI.92Jul30173831@sapphire.math.keio.ac.jp>
	<DIRCEU.92Jul30195545@mikan.taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:41:18 GMT

In article <DIRCEU.92Jul30195545@mikan.taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp> dirceu@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp (Dirceu G. Cavendish Jr.) writes:
 |My english dictionary says : MISCELLANEOUS - consisting of DIVERSE items
 |or members; having VARIOUS characteristics or capabilities.
 |
 |What do you mean with articles not related with miscellaneous subjects???

  Ah, sorry, I just want to say that fj.misc is usually used for the
discussions not fitting in any other groups. And it seems there exist
more proper newsgroups to discuss (some of) the topics that was in
fj.misc, for example, fj.sci.lang for tongue-twisters.

---
BTW, does the one-line charter for fj.misc looks strange as English? :-)
--
Hidekazu TOZAKI
Faculty of Science and Technology, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan.
E-mail: tozaki@nak.math.keio.ac.jp
Newsgroups: fj.misc
From: magnus@jaist-east.ac.jp (Magnus Halldorsson)
Subject: Re: There's-only-one-Truth-ism?
Organization: School of Info. Science, JAIST Hokuriku, Japan
Distribution: fj
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 06:19:03 GMT

David elaborates further on our discussion of 'single-truth' behaviour:

   So is there one and only one, correct way to say/do everything within 
   each local group? I think so. 

   And is there one correct answer for the Japanese culture as a whole?
   No, I think there are many different ways of doing/saying things,
   all of which are called "We Japanese". 

I realize that we probably have a notational problem, but I think that
while your observations are interesting, the conclusions, as stated,
are imprecise.

What we're really talking about is the much discussed 'uniformity' of
the Japanese people. I think the key point is that this uniformity is
in *behaviour*, not in *thought*. After sufficient 'nemawashi', the
proper 'tatemae' protocol insists on uniform outward appearance of
agreement of each group. The nature of this process, then also implies
that the differences in true opinion ('honne') are appreciated,
understood, and accommodated for.

As to how to map this back to your language aquisition problem, I'm
not to sure. Clearly, uniform curriculum makes learned knowledge more
uniform in Japan. But, just as every Japanese knows that sometimes
'ga' and 'o' are interchangable, they could also understand that a
noun in English can have a definite article or not. On the other hand,
the view exists that 'English' = 'Oxford Standard English' (or 'BBC
English'), and other variants are dialects. As an American, you
certainly won't buy it, but if that makes your students more
comfortable, just tell them that your 'dialect' is a lot more 
'$@$+$C$3$$$$(J'...

Magnus

PS. If I sound like I'm really sure of what I'm saying, add a few
'$@$+$bCN$l$^$;$s(J', '$@$i$7$$(J', or '$@$H;W$$$^$9(J' at the end of the
sentences... :-)
From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Racism in Japan (was CFA/CFD:fj.life.in-japan)
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:51:49 GMT
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Followup-To: fj.misc
Organization: Matsushita Electric Works Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.

Chiaki> 	But this landlady is excessive, isn't she?  I mean I can
Chiaki> certainly understand that "we shouldn't speak in loud voices" after
                                   =================================

In fact, I cannot understand it too. This clause was not included in the
contract of other tenants, I think. And could you tell what is the
concept "Speak in loud voice"? How many dB would be ??? :-)

Chiaki> My guess for the best remedy is that there is a japanese legal
Chiaki> counselor's office to weed out this kind of blutant racism. You may
Chiaki> want to contact them via your Japanese colleagues or your Japanese
Chiaki> friend.  The counselor's office, I have in mind is "$@?M8"MJ8n0Q0w2q(J
Chiaki> ".(committee for protection of basic human rights.)  They may advise
Chiaki> you to have a deep discussion to get you off hook from this awful
Chiaki> document. Your company seems to be pretty big, and you may even get a
Chiaki> hint or two about this from the company's $@AmL3It(J or legal dept.

In fact, my company rented the apartment and said few days before about
those clauses... They said to don't take it in care. If I knew about it
before, I never would go there. This in another matter, but japanese 
"sometimes" don't take contract seriously as westerners, probably this
was the reason that landlady (or real estate agent) included such kind
of clauses.
It's very interesting to know there's some comitee for Human Rights
in Japan. 3 years ago, I had the same problem (Rent an apartment) and
I had a lot of trouble. Some real real estate were *REALLY* nasty. 
I thought to prosecute one, but some friend of mine said "RACISM is
not illegal" in japan. Is that true? I asked a Korean-japanese friend
of mine and he said that was true... 

--
Claude Huss
Matsushita Electric Works, Ltd. Tokyo Research Labs.
Phone: +81-3-3452-4941	FAX: +81-3-3451-0793  Home:(044) 549-4913
Mita 5-13-2, Minato-Ku, Tokyo 108, JAPAN
DISCLAIMER:"I'm not singing, dancing, joking or even working for my employer"
From: santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Rafael &)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Tatami (Re: milk and ...) (English)
Date: 22 Jul 92 06:02:22 GMT
	<2069@aegis.or.jp> <1992Jul20.034658.17054@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp>
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Distribution: fj
Organization: KIT Iizuka, AI Dept, JAPAN.
In-reply-to: markd@csl.sj.nec.com's message of 21 Jul 92 15:28:06 GMT

In article <MARKD.92Jul21082801@stallman.csl.sj.nec.com> markd@csl.sj.nec.com (Mark Dyer) writes:


Mark>I had an experience with ants once that might be related. I noticed a
Mark>trail of ants that lead behind a night stand in my bedroom. Expecting to
Mark>find where the pesky little buggars were getting into my house, I pulled
Mark>the night stand out from the wall. The night stand had a phone on it
Mark>that required a transformer plug. The transformer plug was plugged into
Mark>the wall behind the night stand and stayed nice and warm. The ants had
Mark>appearantly decided it was the perfect place to make a nest. The whole
Mark>colony was back there. Eggs, workers, soldiers, probably a queen
Mark>somewhere. It was really bizarre.
Mark>
Mark>Maybe your ants were just looking for a nice warm place to hang out.
Mark>

Same problem in Brazil, some time ago, but with VCR sets. It was not because
of the warm of the device, and I heard that somebody was researching 
something related to electromagnetic fields in a electronic device
that could have atracted the ants. That was bizarre.

So far, I had no trouble with ants in my apartment, but when sometimes
I take a ride by bycicle, I had lots of bugs hitting my face in the
road :(

Rafael Santos : santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp
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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: FAQ on U.S. dual citizenship (long!)
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:30:51 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

magnus@jaist-east.ac.jp (Magnus Halldorsson) writes:

 >In article <2139@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

 >   magnus@jaist-east.ac.jp (Magnus Halldorsson) writes:

 >   >From what I understand from those messages, it's not the case that the
 >   >U.S. allows for a dual citizenship depending on what the other
 >   >nationality would be. Rather, that U.S. law does not prohibit dual
 >   >nationality per se; whether it would be possible depends on the rules
 >   >of the other country.

 >   There are lots of things to take into consideration. I'm attaching a
 >   FAQ that was posted to s.c.j. as it seem particularly relevant. 

 >I read it, but you're not responding to my correction of your claim
 >that U.S. policy is conducted on a "country by country" basis. It may
 >be only compatible with the policies of some, rather than all, other
 > countries, but that's not the point.

Ooops, sorry about that. What you say is true enough from the
viewpoint of U.S. policy per se. But when it comes to specific
instances then the outcome is "country by country" because of
the interaction of each country's policy with that of the U.S.

 >Anyway, in order to redirect this thread somewhat to matters Japanese,
 >I meant to bring with me the little pocketbook with the 1985 Japanese
 >Immigration Law to cite from, but forgot as usual. In any case, they seemed
 >quite explicit that a person would have to denounce other
 >nationalities in order to remain Japanese past the age of 18 or 20.

So the inability of people to have both U.S. and Japanese nationalities
is coming from the Japanese side then?

Dave

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You're free to copy/quote/translate this as long as credit is given. 
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
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From: hatano@cbs.canon.co.jp (Manami Hatano)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.news.group
Subject: Re: Objection [CFD/CFA fj.life.in-japan]
Date: 29 Jul 92 05:48:12 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Computer & Information Systems Technology Development Center, Canon Inc., Tokyo, JAPAN

In article <CLAUDE.92Jul29132019@tokyo.trc.mew.mei.co.jp> claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss) writes:
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Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.news.group
From: tozaki@math.keio.ac.jp (Hidekazu TOZAKI)
Subject: Re: Tongue-twisters: was Re: NG for gaijin topics. (English)
Organization: Faculty of Sci. and Tech., Keio Univ., Yokohama, Japan.
	<1992Jul23.170835.20386@nntp.csl.sony.co.jp>
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:32:15 GMT

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In article <1992Jul23.170835.20386@nntp.csl.sony.co.jp> kono@csl.sony.co.jp (Shinji Kono) writes:
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 >! If you think fj.sci.lang/fj.misc are completely language independent,
 >! sci.lang/soc.culture can be used for Japanese Language. From this point
 >! of view, we need no fj.* hierarchy.  But it is rare to see Japanese
 >! posting in sci.lang.  

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From: kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: complement/compliment (was NG for gaijin topics.) (English)
Date: 25 Jul 92 01:26:10 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: GSSM Otsuka, Univ. of TSUKUBA, Tokyo, Japan

Hi, ...

markd@csl.sj.nec.com (Mark Dyer) writes:
> When I was in college I hung out with a mixed group of Americans
> familiar with Japanese, and Japanese native students. My favorite coined
> word for "unbelievable" was "un-shinjiri-ble."

    That's fine, but why not "believab-ra-nai?" :-)

							Yasushi Kuno
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Please cross-post to fj.Topically.Correct.Newsgroups [English]
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:36:30 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno) writes:

>davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>> Perhaps, but will they reply? ATME (According To My Experience) more
>> likely I will get mail telling me to post in Japanese, or mail telling
>> me that anything I post in English will be disregarded.

>   It's a pity that you have such kind of discouraging experiences,
>but I think we should overcome them from now on.

No so discouraging, it just means that I want to be a bit careful
where I post.

>> Since I don't want to make waves, I think I'll continue to just post
>> in fj.misc and/or fj.news.group where there seems to be a convention
>> of posting/replying in English.

>    But fj.misc has not been such kind of group until very recently!
>So why not start expanding this habit one by one?

Yes, and neither has fj.news.group but your translations sure help.

>> On the other hand, if you feel that various topics should be
>> crossposted to other groups within fj, why not include the
>> other newsgroups in a reply? Only an idea....

>    Surely I'll do.  Please wait for a while...

OK. Then if somebody continues the thread back to here, I will 
see it!

Dave

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You're free to copy/quote/translate this as long as credit is given. 
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From: ishikawa@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp (Chiaki Ishikawa)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.news.group
Subject: Re: Please goto correct Newsgroup (Re: Tongue-twisters)
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:34:33 GMT
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In-reply-to: jiro@math.keio.ac.jp's message of 22 Jul 92 02:51:31 GMT


>>>>> On 22 Jul 92 02:51:31 GMT, jiro@math.keio.ac.jp (TANAKA Jiro) said:


TANAKA> In article <3e6.b56ue@lab.ntt.jp>
TANAKA> 	kitagawa@will.ntt.jp (Masahiro Kitagawa) writes:

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From: kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Pre-SakeReport (Re: Some cooking Q.) [ENGLISH]
Date: 22 Jul 92 06:47:45 GMT
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Organization: GSSM Otsuka, Univ. of TSUKUBA, Tokyo, Japan

magnus@jaist-east.ac.jp (Magnus Halldorsson) writes:
> Shochu is good stuff. It is basically not so different from vodka and 
> schnapps, but has a very distinct flavor that stands out.

    We can find various kind of shochu, those with distinct flavor,
or those close to pure alchohl (again I've forgot the spelling!).

> My simple home-made mix has been to use whatever soda I have at hand.
> Diet Sprite with Shochu with plenty of rocks is a great summer drink.
> Chu-hai, mixing tonic water and fruit drink, sounds like a good
> mixture too. 

    I haven't seen "Diet Sprite" around here.  Is it popula around
your house?

> Incidentally, as a long time gin&tonic aficionado, I have
> a rather amusing incident to tell of which is indicative of how $B$$$J$+(J 
> this place is. The first time I walked into the $B<r20(J ($B$5$+$d(J) on the
> corner, a liquor&convenience store, I asked them very carefully in my
> rudimentary Japanese for 'tonikku uota'. The answer was: "oh, yes,
> right here... hair tonic!"

    No, you will experience the same in ordinary (non-international)
sake shop around Tokyo, I guess.  We Japanese call them "Tansan-Sui"
or "So-da Sui".  By the way, I can find a bottle to make tonic water,
with a gas-bombe, at some department stores.  I guess they are popular
in USA, so I'd like to hear your opinion.  Is it convenient?  If I have
to make 1000ml. of tonic water and drink them at once, it'll be too
difficult...

							Yasushi Kuno
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: There's-only-one-Truth-ism?
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:45:40 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

mtachiba@rkna50.riken.go.jp (Masahiko Tachibana) writes:

>In article <2140@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

>> There seems two major trends in the world right now: 1) Folk
>> Societies (also known as Ethnic Minorities) are becoming
>                           ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ (sounds bad to me)

Yes, it doesn't sound so good but I think this is the current term.
A while back some people used 'nation' (meaning a culture, but not
necessarily a political state) but this never seemed to catch on.
So, for example, Koreans in Japan are an 'Ethnic Minority'. That is,
they have their own culture and customs which are different from the
majority. 

>    Now I am interested in talk/discuss/chatting to the people
>from differnt community or society through networks where no implicit
>understanding works.  It's rather hard for me as I have no experience
>in living outside Japan.   However, it is encouraging that people in
>networks can't stop at national borders :-)

IMHO trying to communicate without any implicit understanding isn't
very practical as it means everything has to be spelled out
(defined) each time. But on the other hand there are various things
one can do to define/encourage such implicit understanding. I would
say the net has it's own set of implicit understandings which cut
across cultural/national borders.

>    Kore kara mo yoroshiku!  ( nearly equal to `I look forward to see
>you again') 

See ya around! :-)

Dave

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From: kitagawa@will.ntt.jp (Masahiro Kitagawa)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.news.group
Subject: Re: Tongue-twisters: was Re: NG for gaijin topics. (English)
Date: 21 Jul 92 07:51:06 GMT
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