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From: lunardel@platon.emi.greco-prog.fr (Julien LUNARDELLI)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Command Line Interpreters
Date: 26 Dec 92 19:41:29 GMT
Organization: Maitrise Informatique Universite BORDEAUX I
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steve wells (wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz) wrote:
> Everyone seems to like this UNiX thing.  (Pointless really, buy a 
> WIMPS machine, then immediately stuff UNix onto it, and use it as default
> but....)
> So, since you obviously don't want to use the Atari as such, why not buy
> a UNix Machine??  (GEM programs don't usually work too well from CLI, 
> unless GEM is booted first, and then they have been known to complain,
> although, not much 8-)
> Why does everyone out there seem to use UNiX on their ST, instead of getting
> a REAL UNiX machine, which would drop compatibility problems (if any)
> to pretty much NOTHING, and you wouldn't have to chance seeing the GEM
> environment again.  Any GOOD reasons??  (Of course, you wouldn't be
> able to run any ST-Programs on a UNiX machine, but if you run UNiX anyway,
> you should be reasonably used to that.)

CLIs are very usefull for zoo, gcc, make and all these programs
that need args or environment variables.

Have you ever tried to print a directory with GEM ?
I don't think it's possible, or there is something I didn't
read in the docs.

I enjoy CLIs, but I couldn't bear my ST without GEM, I mean
that I prefer my ST with the GEM alone than with a CLI alone.
But when you've got the both on the screen, it's very difficult
to get back to pure GEM or pure CLI. That's why I say : thank you MultiTos.

You love GEM : if you buy a Falcon, you'll love multitasking GEM much more.
You love your ST : you'll love the Falcon much more.
(The Falcon has nothing less than the ST, only things more).
__
Julien LUNARDELLI
lunardel@platon.greco-prog.fr
lunardel@platon.emi.u-bordeaux.f
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From: sourada@iastate.edu (Steven D Ourada)
Subject: Meta-FAQ
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 10:35:49 GMT

Sorry I forgot to post two weeks ago, although it doesn't matter a lot since
nothing has changed in the last month. I'll try to actively seek some 
new/different stuff for the next post, just so there is some variety :-)


         Later,
           Steven Ourada

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From: "dave tomesch" <dave.tomesch@canrem.com>
Subject: dont listen to this guy
Reply-To: "dave tomesch" <dave.tomesch@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 2 Jan 93 08:27:27 EST


 Well Chris lets gets some facts straight!

 1) I dont belong to the pirating group called Evil Force with over 1000
CD(compact disks), but you havnt denied being apart of it in Public?
yet? I wonder why?

 2) You flame Atari personel for not running Atari right but then you go
ahead and copy anything in sight? Figure that out.

 3) Im not parnoid of anything, but maybe you are worried about the
truth coming out about your invlovement on 3 pirate BBSes in the Area!
Why not go ahead and refute this statement and tell everyone which bbses
you frequent and what they have online! I could help you out with large
feeds of all the bbses you access and what you DL from them.

 4) What does this have to do with what is being discussed is simple you
are a hypocrite if you tell people on this system that Atari is to blame
for everything when you in fact are part of the cause of the situation

 5) It has been proven that equipment can fail do to power spikes across
the telephone lines, thats why we hook up Surge protecters not only
along the hydro lines but also the phone lines.

 Now if you would be so kind and explain how you can be so active on a
base for normal ST,TT or Falcon owners and yet go ahead and help groups
like the Evil Force? I could give you and everyone a listing of CDs you
offer to the pirate public if you like but I dont think many are
interested in this kind of activity.
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From: Steve_Johnson@under.mind.ORG
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: *.Z compression
Date: 30 Dec 92 12:20:00 -0500
Organization: Fortress R&D 404/521-0445 v.32bis TurboPEP
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You need the COMPRESS utility for .Z archives.  I think there are a 
few versions of COMPRESS at umich. 

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From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon needs....
Date: 30 Dec 1992 01:25:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu




I'd like to see an IBM emulator run with TOS...

I think it would be great to have an IBM emulator inside of the
Falcon030 and double-click on a clone file and have it run.

Who wants Windows? :)

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 03:16:25 EST
From: <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: *I* an NOT making THIS up either...
 <1h00msINNaou@life.ai.mit.edu> <1992Dec21.194623.23026@news2.cis.umn.edu>
 <1h6aabINNo0a@life.ai.mit.edu> <27DEC92.05003748@meena.cc.uregina.ca>
 <72481@cup.portal.com>

Hey you forgot to post the bit about L______ refusing to talk to someone
because he pronounced his last name TRA-MEEL instead of the proper
TRA-MELL saying something like "I give everybody one chance to pronounce
it TRA-MELL etc."

More more, this stuff's great, depressing, but great...

Scott
"What would be your reaction if we sued you for copyright infringement
 for HacMan II?" - Baron Len von Tramhammer (pronounced Throatwarbler Mangrove)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mackie@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: RE: sports game info wanted
Date: 23 DEC 92 03:12:28 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

There is painfully little in the Football field - TV Sports is probably the
best.  Soccer, however is another story.  Kick Off 2, Sensible Soccer and
Striker are all excellent games.

Also, I have a personal fondness for Wayne Gretzky Hockey.

Brook
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: martini@heaven7.in-berlin.de (Martin P. Ibert)
Subject: Re: intellectual property and shit
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:25:59 GMT
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Organization: The Seventh Heaven, Berlin, Germany

aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim) writes:
> Please. To say "Someone's got to feed his children's  mouths,  so
> he must have a right to get paid for doing X" really doesn't mean
> anything. X, that happens to be programming in this  case,  could
> as well be working in a factory or being in the mafia. Not that I
> think any of these are comparable in many ways, just  to  explain
> why  I  don't  see the fact that someone has children to care for
> having any relevance regarding the justification of  his  way  of
> making money.

No, Jan, you're right on target. I want to make money although I have NO CHILD-
REN and no other acceptable excuse for wanting to get rich.

My intellectual property (and, as such, the software I write) is mine ALL MINE
all the same if I f*ck my girlfriend with a rubber or without. Who said a
forgotten rubber makes a difference between copyright and no copyright?
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Subject: Re: So what does this mean to us ?
From: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 22 Dec 1992 11:37:46 GMT
Reply-To: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

>>Merely dong sometihng evolutionary won't keep you afloat in today's
>"100 million DOS machines and 20 million Macs" market.
>
>Dave Baggett
>--
>dmb@ai.mit.edu           MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory                  
>ADVENTIONS: interactive fiction (text adventures) for the 90's!
>dmb@ai.mit.edu *** Compu$erve: 76440,2671 *** GEnie: ADVENTIONS

Dave one thing Atari should have done was to produce the 'Mindset'
I did read that Atari did have a option on it..??

Also there is this Great U.K Computer called the Archemides
by Acorn, its a Risc machine, there risc chips are being use in the Apple
Newton...

Sort of leaves the A1200 for dead and the Falcon here, mainly on price,
comes with a lot of software built in, has a 2 meg byte Rom, uses a 10 sector 
1.4 meg disk, giving 1.6 megs, uses IDE Hard Drives, PC type keyboard, but
there are lower grade models like the ST, and they come with a monitor, the Top
model (A540) has Svga, plus 1152 * 900 mono, the lower ones
are 640 * 480 256 colours...

There notepad called the A4 was in Byte some months back, they stated that
Acorn had the first multi-tasking windowing machines...



Roger..............                sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
From: qsi@contrast.wlink.nl (Peter Kocourek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: RE: Falcon - Future
Date: 24 Dec 92 21:39:23 GMT

michael smith wrote in a message on 17 Dec 92 to All

 MS> In a message of <11 Dec 92 11:07:32>, qsi@contrast.wlink.nl 
 MS> (3:713/602) writes: 

 q> I do seem to remember an RTC transcript from GEnie (or something) in Z

 q> Net about a year ago, when Sam Tramiel said that FSM was ready for
 q> shipping, and that they were just waiting for the designer packaging.
I
 q> don't keep old issues of Z-Net (or was it STR?) so I cannot check this

 q> but this is what I remember.

 MS>  That is, indeed, what he said. You're not telling me you _believed_ 
 MS> him? (I think it may have been Bob Brodie though) 

Me, believe a Tramiel? Never! :-) Of course I did not believe him (I want
to make this clear, so as not be to be stigmatized for all eternity as a
Tramiel-believer. :-))

In fact, we here in the Netherlands got an extra dose of Tramielitis about
a year ago, when Sam T. gave several Dutch ST magazines an interview. Of
course, none of the promises he made came true... (I'd better not go into
details :-))


YHS:QSI!
From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: I am STILL not making this up, OK?
Date: 26 Dec 1992 19:39:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu





What many of you seem to forget is that Dave is just ONE developer
that has had a negative experience with Atari.

If you could replay the last five years of GEnie, CompuServe, Usenet,
and online magazines such as STReport, you will see similar
experiences to what Dave has reported.

And you can't just say, "Oh, Ralph just has a negative attitude towards
Atari..." because he didn't write these experiences.

He does seem to magnify the problems so that a lot of people that
don't seem to understand what is going on, will understand.
But the people that do understand, the online magazine looks like
a b*tch fest sometimes.  


I talk with developers through e-mail that I've met through Usenet
and they have told me similar stories.  I have also talked with Lynx
game programmers that do not believe they will ever program another
Lynx game again.  This is because of how Atari handles things.

If Dave was the first to report problems with Atari, I would question
if what he was saying was true or not.  But, he is not the first
and unfortunately, probably not the last...

The fact is, things won't change unless people like you start
writing people at Atari that can make changes.


Len
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From: jbunch@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Bunch)
Subject: slip!!!!
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 13:54:58 GMT

Arrggghhhhh!!!  It just bombs whenever I try to telnet!!!  I even put in
echo refuse, and that didn't help!!!!  Any other pointers/clues??

John

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From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon030, resolutions, TRUE color, and DSP
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 00:55:27 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1gsmv1INN688@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <1h0eelINNeqh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
  <4890@wet.UUCP>

Ed Krimen writes:
 
>You forget, it's an entry-level machine.  It's not supposed to have the 
>latest technology.

 
You forget.. it has the PRICE of a "latest technology" machine,
without the features..
 
For $799, you can get a heck of a PC.. *including* RAM and
a hard disk drive...
 
An "entry level" computer should be priced a lot lower, or at
least include the basics..
 
BobR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: csullogg@cc4.crl.aecl.ca
Subject: Upgrade Woes
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:08:43 GMT

Every once in a while, I see netters complain that they have had
to move from an ST to an STE or maybe to a TT. Their gripe is they
should have been able to upgrade their first computer rather than
change computers. Well, I own an ST and a MegaST and I use a TT in
my full time day job. My MegaST is from 1987 and I have added more
RAM (4 megs) and a REFLEX graphics card (1024 x 496 on an SM124
monitor). Other than that, my MegaST is stock 1985.

Now, picture the PC user who owned an XT in 1985 and then upgraded
to an AT to go with the market. Then picture the poor bugger getting
a 386SX because the SX's were so much cheaper (at one time) than
a true 386. Now, imagine if you will, the same poor bugger wondering
whether he should go to a 40MHz 386 with a co-processor or to
a 486 because Windows runs too slowly on his SX. Imagine, again,
scouting the market for a faster graphics card that actually lets
his screen redraws take place at a reasonable speed.

I am DAMN glad I did not buy into the PC market - I like my money
in my account and not spent on hardware upgrades (I won't even
begin to detail the cost of software upgrades on a PC).

My only problem right now is slow redraws with Pagestream. I
could get a T25 board but I think I'll wait for a Falcon. I
don't mind the move from an ST to a MegaST to a Falcon since
it is not analogous to the PC scenario. First, the cost of
the upgrade will be lower overall (and spans 7 years
altogether - got my first ST in June 1985). Second, MOST of
my software should be usable as is (unlike the upgrade from
DOS based to Windows based applications).

In closing, I wish everyone (yes, PC, Mac, Amiga, AS
Atari, ... etc) a very Merry Christmas and a great new year!
From: v5914ane@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Steve)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Atari SS/DD Disk Drive (SF354) - $25 + Shipping
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:31:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I have an Atari 354 SS/DD Disk Drive For Sale for only $25 + Shipping.

If you are interested Reply to this account.
From: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: A letter to Dave Baggett
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:47:36 GMT
Reply-To: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Richardson, TX
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

Len Stys writes:
>
>I really own it because of people within the Atari Community.
>They just can't be beat.

Well said.  Right now, I don't even own a working ST (don't
throw things, please!), but I still like to keep up with the
ST community because it is fun and I like the general Atari
owner spirit.  I subscribed to _Atari Classics_, the started-in-1992
magazine supporting Atari *8-bit* computers for the same
reason.  (Yeah, it's outdated technology but I don't care.)

>I also tend to like Atari developers.  They too seem to be very
>special people.

People like Charles F. Johnson, David Small, and Dave Baggett 
are well-known developers--people, not just faceless corporations.  
They tend to listen, to care about their products; you feel that 
when you purchase something from them you are supporting a good 
cause and making a difference.  (I know, making money ain't
easy; working PC territory would be more profitable.)

>I still think that clones are pretty damn boring.

I think a subset of clone owners are similar to Atari owners,
but they are buried beneath all the nonsense and consequently
much less visible--and they don't have any kind of impact on 
the market.

--
James Hague   
exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
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From: cbvetter@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Chris Vetter)
Subject: Re: TIFF viewer
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 10:17:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: TU Darmstadt

In article <Dec17.081035.36273@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, kfason@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Kevin Fason) writes:
> I havea .TIF(F) and am looking for a viewer for it.  I have a Mega/STE 
> and want it to use the colors.  The TIFF is of the Falcon.  I looked at it
> on a 386/33, but want to see it on my machine.  thanx!
> 

Try GEMView 2.00

sincerely,
Chris
From: molin@ptb.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: What makes a computer "exciting"..?
Date: 24 Dec 92 05:58:38 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ptb.cl.msu.edu

Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:

>The Falcon is "exciting" because it combines a lot of features
>that are either "leading edge" or have the potential for unusual
>applications.

Let's put that into perspective, shall we?

The Falcon COULD BE "exciting" if only the Shot-In-The-Foot guys  can
actually get it on the market before its "leading edge" claim becomes
old news...

I'm betting even Sam "We're talking about a machine that will be
available next week" Tramiel won't hold his breath until they're
available here in the U.S.  (But I'd sure LIKE TO SEE HIM DO IT!)

The Falcon rollout would make a great title to a movie sequel:
Falcon: The Debacle Contiues.
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From: ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald Greenberg)
Subject: Re: GIF convertors
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 00:21:28 EST

In article <1hal4hINNsjh@golem.wcc.govt.nz> wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>>Does anyone know of a program to convert GIF files to ST formats
>>(Neo or Degas preferably) - I know that information will be lost,
>>but I want to be able to load stuff up quickly, and as long as
>>the picture looks vaguely OK it doesn't matter.
>
>Fast-GIF is, (as it says), very fast, and does a pretty good job of
>converting any GIF picture into 320*200*16!  (And saving it in
>Degas PI1 format if you want.)  It doesn't handle JPEG, or this 89a
>format. (The new one), but it works fine with 90% of GIF's!
>(1meg at least recommended, as with all GIF programs, those things can
>use a lot of RAM!)
>
While we're on this topic, which programs do the best job with
JPEG files (if there are any)?
--Gerry
ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu
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Subject: Re: GIF convertors
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (steve wells)
Date: 23 Dec 1992 21:19:13 GMT
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
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>Does anyone know of a program to convert GIF files to ST formats
>(Neo or Degas preferably) - I know that information will be lost,
>but I want to be able to load stuff up quickly, and as long as
>the picture looks vaguely OK it doesn't matter.

Fast-GIF is, (as it says), very fast, and does a pretty good job of
converting any GIF picture into 320*200*16!  (And saving it in
Degas PI1 format if you want.)  It doesn't handle JPEG, or this 89a
format. (The new one), but it works fine with 90% of GIF's!
(1meg at least recommended, as with all GIF programs, those things can
use a lot of RAM!)

Fast-GIF is on atari.archive.umich.edu in the graphics section somewhere
(or was).... it should be available locally as well. (just about anywhere)

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From: wilsont@rahul.net (Timothy Wilson)
Subject: Re: Help me with Carrier Command!
Organization: a2i network
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 07:00:54 GMT

In <1596@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk> cwa@oasis.icl.co.uk (Chris Adams) writes:




>One problem I had though was once I found the enemy carrier and saved
>immediately. When I tried several times to attack it, I did about one pass
>then when I turned round to hit him again he had gone. Puzzled, I reloaded,
>did the same pass, then switched to reverse view, and after a couple of seconds
>the enemy carrier just VANISHED! didn't move, just bliped out, and I certainly
>didn't kill him. (I had only fired about 4 ASSASINs at it)

the enemy carrier goes _as_fast_ as a manta. I've never seen the enemy carrier
vanish, but i have seen it take off at mach 1.
Thats kinda a problem, cuz like...a carrier would wiegh a couple of kilotons
and there is all that water in the way.

if you have a laser on your manta, the fleeing carrier is a sitting duck.
just fly really low behind it, blasting away., after 20-30 seconds, he's gone.

(kinda a cheat really)
-- 
Timothy Wilson <wilsont@rahul.net>
From: mmiller@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Looking for good deal on hard drive
Date: 1 Jan 93 07:31:10 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.

I am looking for a good deal on a new or used internal SCSI hard
drive, in the price range of $200 or less, 40 Meg. or higher.  This
price range does not include the cost of a host adapter.  As far as
a new drive, I would like advice on sources to look at with low prices
and high quality.  As far as a used drive, the newer the better.

Please e-mail to either of the addresses below.  If there is enough
requests, I will post a summary.

Thanks.

|Mark Miller, computer science   |"The most important human endeavor is the  |
|major at C.S.U.                 |striving for morality in our actions.  Our |
|millerm@cs.colostate.edu        |inner balance and even our very existence  |
|mmiller@nyx.cs.du.edu           |depend on it.  Only morality in our        |
|        Atari friend! |||       |actions can give beauty and dignity to     |
|                      )|(       |life." --- Albert Einstein                 |
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From: jher@wixer.cactus.org (Jher)
Subject: 823k Formatter source
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 09:56:23 GMT

	I want to say thanks to (name whose i've forgotten) for the patch to
mtools.  I havent had a chance to run it but it compiled ok.  I'll keep ya
posted if i have problems..

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