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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:46:19 GMT

In article <190151INN705@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou) writes:
>das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>
>[...]
>>>I excluded DOS extendors from your list. There are few programs which use them.
>>>I actually own 2 (Gauss and S+). So they bypass the OS. Let's stick to DOS
>>>and Windows, say.
>
>>Yes, I think Windows has a limit of 4 megs.
>
>4 megs of what?

RAM.  I think that Windows allow executables up to 4 megs.  Phil Mc disputes
this, but I don't notice (limitations).

>-- Nan


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: griffin@eecae.ee.msu.edu (Danny Griffin)
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Organization: Michigan State University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 03:16:50 GMT

jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:

>  I really think that IDE is a non-issue among average users.  

I don't agree, but maybe most of the Amiga owners I know aren't average.

> all people care about is being able to 
>buy cheap hard disks

Well, just grabbing a recent Computer Shopper and looking at the Hard Drives
International ad, I see:

Maxtor 7120A 120MB IDE    $389
Maxtor 7120S 120MB SCSI    389

Quantum LPS120A 120MB IDE  389
Quantum LPS120S 120MB SCSI 

Maxtor MX213A  200MB IDE   599
Maxtor MX213S  200MB SCSI  619

Quantum 210A   210MB IDE   649
Quantum 210S   210MB SCSI  629

Maxtor  MX340A 320MB IDE   999
Maxtor  MX340S 320MB SCSI  999

I don't see IDEs as being cheap hard disks.  You don't even save on the 
controller if you buy a good caching IDE controller.  IDE caching controllers
for ISA busses go for $200 without extra RAM.

> they don't appreicate or care what SCSI does for them 
>technically, only economically since it does the one thing that they do care 
>about, store data.

I'd hate to see the Amiga community turn into a bunch of boneheads who only
shop price.
-- 
Dan Griffin
griffin@egr.msu.edu
"If an application takes two years to be developed, it's running at
0 MIPS, no matter what hardware platform it's running on" - Jobs
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From: matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt)
Subject: Re: A3000T and Mac Quadra pricing
Organization: Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:09:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.100915.25784@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>In <1992Sep11.124610.21755@gbrmpa.gov.au> matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt) writes:
>>In article <copes.716192048@marsh> copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope) writes:
>>>
>>>can play back 4 plane DCTV anims at 766x533 res (equiv 24 bit) full screen at
>
>>I'm rather amused you can use "4 plane" and "24 bit" in the same sentence.
>
>Maybe because you don't know what data compression is ? He may have exaggerated
>a little bit but DCTV shows something similar to 20 bit color (in PAL/NTSC
>resolutions of course).

Gee, thanks for the indepth explanation.

>Michael van Elst

matt.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 19:50:10 EDT
From: <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.

In article <raymondu.1d8q@terapin.com>, raymondu@terapin.com (Raymond Ulibarri)
says:

>   I agree with your peeve that publishers often put an incorrect default
>tool.
> Since not every Amiga has the SYS:Utilites drawer in their path, I submit
>that
>every developer with a README file should place the following argument in the
>default tool:

>   DEFAULT TOOL:  Sys:Utilities/More

Developers who don't want tech support headaches (and frustrated single-drive
users) use ":c/more".

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From: 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG)
Subject: Re: A4000 - I'm satisfied
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:42:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.035449.9768@gbrmpa.gov.au> matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt) writes:

[stuff from Colin Adams deleted]

>
>There's still time, the average "joe" off the street knows nothing 'bout
>the new machine/s, AGA etc. I'd think any of the Amiga models would be
>easy to get rid of quickly, I've owned quite a few Amiga's, you can get
>good money for them. I wouldn't look at it as if you're losing all that
>much money by selling off a 3000 (or watever) system for considerably less
>that what you initially paid. I sold my 486 on Saturday so I can pick up
>the 4000 once it hits Aus.
>
>
>matt.

The news has been out since Friday.  I got a new modem on Monday and had a 
look around the bulletin boards.  No informatin whatsoever about Amiga-4000 
in Australia.  I talked to a few Amiga-dudes here in Australia and they were 
very cloudy about the specifications.

"only 68030 @ 40mhz" and nothing was said about the new AGA.  No-one seemed 
very impressed because I believe not many people bother reading this news 
group and got the real specs.  In aus.computers.amiga there is two posts, 
one about looking in comp.sys.amiga.advocacy for information about the new 
Amiga 4000 and another asking whether a new Amiga was released!  

I suggest you try to flog off your Amiga-3000 soon in the local Trading post 
and sit on your hands until the Amiga-4000 comes out to Australia.

PS.  Does any use aus.computers.amiga?



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From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: Multimedia platforms
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 08:33:23 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <1992Aug30.061711.7158@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.064926.17545@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug29.053513.23237@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>
>>>Of course, if you've got an Amiga, hypertext is becoming the standard
>>>form of documentation through AmigaGuide.  Not that I'd imagine you
>>>know what that is, most people don't -- yet.
>
>>   This is one of the many problems with the Amiga: no consolidation.  On
>>the Mac systems, there is one program that has hypermedia, multimedia, and
>>full authoring-system capabilities in one package: HyperCard.  On the Amiga,
>>you have to string together several different programs in a loose collections,
>>using ARexx.  The worst thing about this is that it makes it very difficult
>>to put together presentations that will run on just about any Amiga system.
>
>>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>
>	I agree with you 100%. For example, if I wanted to make a nice
>animation on my Amiga, I would have to resort to at least ten different
>programs instead of one similar to Hypercard on the much superior Mac systems.
>For example, I would need DSS to digitize audio samples, and MED to record
>them into a music module, plus Imagine to make nice 3d scenes and animations,
>with DPaint IV to edit them, and SID to copy or delete related files, plus
>the Art Department and MacroMaker (by Rich L'Hommedieu) to use ARexx and
>do graphics conversions, with Edplayer to play the background music module
>and AmigaVision to play the final animation. Wh a pain in the ass! I wish
>I just had MULTIMEDIAMONGER, which would have all of these features in one
>program, this way I don't have to ::gasp:: use more than one program on
>a multitasking machines.
>
>	Maybe we should cut out the middle man and incorporate all of the
>necessary multimedia programs right into the Kickstart. Duh.
>

Yeah, Dave & Marc.  It's MUCH better to be stuck with the limitations
of your one, proprietary-internal-format, all-in-one, integrated
mistake!

Who cares if like, next year someone brings out Deluxe-DeVideo-DePLANE!-
DePLANE! with 24-bit BITS and 60 frames/sec animation on a bad day?
I mean, why would you want to improve?

Has Hypercard ever been made able to open more than 1 window? Or
open a window larger than 512x342?

(I remember at the Mac DevCon in 1989, ole' Harry from Night Court
gave the first comedy session <the Mac technical lectures of the week
being the remainder of the comedy :) >.  He said "...and Apple will
be announcing a new monitor series for the MacII line, a
color monitor of size 512x342, as they have been unable to get
Bill Atckinson to re-code Hypercard for larger windows...")
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:01:42 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Sep2.173948.1819@nmsu.edu> dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:
> I agree with some of Skip's comments, and not others. 8 PC slots?
> What for? Get rid of the flicker fixer? Why? So people can complain
> about interlaced displays again? I myself would like to see a
> streamlined A4000 that saves some money by having NO ibmpc slots.
> How many people use them? If you needed the capability, you can get\
> the one that uses PC slots. If not, you don't have to spend the money.
>

The idea is to NOT get rid of the PC slots, but to make them USEABLE to
plug in cheapo PC cards.  I agree with you that they are worthless as
implemented now.

>

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From: danaf@lib102.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Some random thoughts on the A4000
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:18:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.052128.9164@marlin.jcu.edu.au>, cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
|> >- Icons. Please, please, please, please Commodore, colour in all your icons,
|> >so we can have really sexy-looking desktops if we choose to run in 16 or 256
|> >colour mode. I had to colour in all the 2.04 ones myself, and I don't want to
|> >have to do it all over again for 3.0.
|> 
|> Unfortunately the last I saw, 3.0 was still using 4 colour icons.  This
|> is a common request though, so I wouldn't be surprised to see this
|> change.

Well, with still only 2MB of CHIP RAM, most people are still gonna be running
their WB in 4-color mode. I know that, with 1 meg, every time I need to open
two other 640x400 screens, I have to smack the WB around a little - lower res,
less colors, etc. With only 2MB in the A4000, forget it! You open a couple of
800x600x256(color) screens, your chips are screaming, your memory banks are 
whimpering, and the WB title bar shows numbers smaller than your weekly paycheck.

|> -- 
|> Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
|>   "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths 

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From: itch@cbnews.cb.att.com (richard.m.brack)
Subject: Re: A4000 at 
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:52:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.193651.17020@cco.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
> 
> He wasn't using a second hand report.  He was using mine.  I tried one of the
> things out, and it was much slower (in 256 color mode) than my A3000 in
> 16 color mode.
> 
> But, in the lower color modes, it was great...


So, did the WB 3.0 icons have more than 4 colors in higher color modes???


Rich...
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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: aga chipset for amiga
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 11:06:21 GMT

In article <63880006@otter.hpl.hp.com> prf@otter.hpl.hp.com (Paul Freeman) writes:
>
>There seems to be some confusion about whether the AA chipset or 
>"Pandora" as I have heard it described in France, will be compatible
>with the A3000. [..]

No there isn't.  Try reading the last 100 articles here or in .misc
again and you'll see the answer over and over again!

>So what is the truth, will a 3000 be upgradable or not? 
>I'd like to know what is going on.

COMMODORE ARE NOT OFFERING AN UPGRADE FROM THE A3000 TO THE AGA CHIPSET!
COMMODORE ARE NOT OFFERING AN UPGRADE FROM THE A3000 TO THE AGA CHIPSET!
COMMODORE ARE NOT OFFERING AN UPGRADE FROM THE A3000 TO THE AGA CHIPSET!
COMMODORE ARE NOT OFFERING AN UPGRADE FROM THE A3000 TO THE AGA CHIPSET!
COMMODORE ARE NOT OFFERING AN UPGRADE FROM THE A3000 TO THE AGA CHIPSET!
COMMODORE ARE NOT OFFERING AN UPGRADE FROM THE A3000 TO THE AGA CHIPSET!
COMMODORE ARE NOT OFFERING AN UPGRADE FROM THE A3000 TO THE AGA CHIPSET!
COMMODORE ARE NOT OFFERING AN UPGRADE FROM THE A3000 TO THE AGA CHIPSET!
COMMODORE ARE NOT OFFERING AN UPGRADE FROM THE A3000 TO THE AGA CHIPSET!
COMMODORE ARE NOT OFFERING AN UPGRADE FROM THE A3000 TO THE AGA CHIPSET!

Got it yet?

This is getting ridiculous.  It reminds me of the story
in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy where people ignore
things they don't want to see...

-- 
Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
  "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths
From: marv@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Marv Gordon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:29:22 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

For your information mark EUROPE consists of more than just FINLAND!
 
Give it a rest already

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From: Gleeep@cup.portal.com (Dave - Silon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AA chipset
Date: Tue,  8 Sep 92 04:17:41 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

>Chris Millar Queries Idly:
>What are the "exact" specifics on the rumored AA chipset?
	
Tell 'em TRUSSY!  Eh, eh, ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
	
-Gleeep
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Perot
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:41:31 GMT

In article <jbickers.0fgi@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>
>    Furthermore, you export an amazing amount of cultural trash with
>    your fundamentalist missionaries! I've been watching a program
>    here on Sundays called "Missionaries", which looks at what various
>    churches are up to, and in every case the most ludicrous ones are
>    the American fundamentalists (though of course not all are
>    Americans - some are Australian and some are English... :).

Aren't there Fundies in New Zealand?

I am American, and I am antheist - I don't see any conflict.

>    Anyway, last week they were doing South America, and interviewed a
>    Catholic priest in... Nicuragua (sp). He was from the US, and he
>    said something about how when he was a kid he saw aid packages to
>    banana republics labeled "a gift from the American people to ...",
>    and was proud of his country. Now, he says funerals for folks
>    killed by US backed forces, and thinks "... a gift from the
>    American people ...".

First of all, *I* will not be held responsible for stupid things Catholic
priests say.  Secondly, there is far less oppresion now in Nicaraugua
without the Communists in power.  If those were Communist gunmen be buried,
he may have been right in saying what he did.

>    In Chile, they interviewed some fundamentalists. Apparently Chile
>    is (or was) a fascist country. These fundamentalists saw it as
>    part of their task to make the poor "good citizens" - spending
>    their money on building a church, instead of feeding people or
>    improving sanitation (or protesting the Govt), etc.


Yes, Christians are LOUSY at economics.  With the US government, for example,
people actually have a chance to vote in politcians who won't raise taxes.
With the Church, you are pressured by the Word of your Creator or pay
taxes (tithes) to the Church. Heh heh.

>> As can I say that for ever how bad I think it may get in America, at least
>> its the best.
>
>    HA HA HA HA HA!

Best for me.  How do N.Z. Amiga prices compare with US or European 
prices, eh? EH?  See?

>*** John Bickers, TAP, NZAmigaUG.        jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
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From: yurick@vaxr.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AmigaDOS differences
Date: 14 Sep 92 03:22:23 GMT
Organization: LLNL_LIS

In article <1992Sep13.173059.18326@usl.edu>, das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
> Hi there.
> 
> I have heard that some Amiga programs to not work under certain versions
> of the OS.  For example, someone said that he had to boot 1.3 (normally 2.04)
> to play Fairy Tale Adventure.  
> 
> Is this a big problem or something?...  

> ...It seems strange that an otherwise homogeneous computer
> such as the Amiga would have to REBOOT a DIFFERENT version of the OS _just_
> to use older type programs, doesn't it?
> Dan Stephenson                                           das9674@usl.edu

The finger of blame shouldn't be pointed at the OS, but more towards the
careless programmer that didn't follow the guidelines set forth by Commodore.

Joe
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:11:36 GMT

Exactly where and how did people start think there was going to be
a new 'AA' chipset?  i was curious - and how might this possibly 
affect video resolution/colors?  Would the 1084S still qualify?

--
Dan Stephenson                                           das9674@usl.edu
" BERLIN WALL FALLS.  3 BORDER GUARDS LOSE JOBS.  CLINTON BLAMES BUSH! "
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Robinson Follow Up Article 
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 00:49:05 GMT

In article <65290@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:

>Ah. Then I can see you never read his follow up article that he wrote
>after all the "input" from Amiga people.

Does anyone happen to have this article at their disposal? After all the
hoopla about the initial post, I'd like to see exactly what he had to say.

Mark

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From: skip@cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:12:49 GMT
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <1992Sep15.145829.2591@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>>>He's dreaming if he thinks the A4000 with IDE is competition for the
>>> various 486 boxes out there that offer much more for the same price.
>>
>>What exactly do they offer that's more?
>
>For the same price, Gateway 2000 has an EISA 486 50mhz system with
>32 bit SCSI controller and 340meg SCSI HD.  More ram ( 2meg ).  System is
>a Tower version, not desktop.  Hicolor SVGA graphics card that offers 
>higher resolution.

Well, it is a nice system, but it is a DX2, not a true 50MHz 486.  :-)
The SVGA card may indeed offer higher resolution, but it is only a 16bit
card, is limited to an 18bit palette and cannot display more than 65k colors.
And if the same functionality that the A4000 offers is desired, a sound
board and OS/2 should also be included.

If you look hard enough, I'd bet that there are a number of things that
each machine offers which the other does not.  However, it is also very
silly to compare the Amiga to a Clone as neither are intended for the
same purposes.  There are crossovers to be sure, but there is no reason
why the Amiga cannot co-exist with the Clones in much the same way that
the Macintosh does.

If I didn't have a very nice 486-50 (a real DX) at my disposal, I might
be inclined to purchase one.  Should I someday move on to another job in
which such a machine is not available, I will probably purchase one.  But
why in the world would I want to give up the money that I've invested in
both hardware and software for the Amiga when there is a truly awesome
machine now available?  My A3000 is a nice machine, but I'm going to sell
it (for a really low price) and purchase an A4000, not a Clone.

Thanks C=, for not letting us down.  :-)

>							G.Greene
>
>>Philip McDunnough
>>University of Toronto
>>philip@utstat.toronto.edu

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu