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From: META000 <META@UNB.CA>
Subject: RE: Fender? Supro-Anyone know what this is?
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:08:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.161059.4421@ncsu.edu> npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu (NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART) writes:
>
>Does anyone know about a Supro amp?
>
Supro's are NOT Fenders.  They were their own entity, produced
largely in the 60's.  There was also a line of Supro guitars that
are often sought for slide work (although they are full-fledged
regular guitars). I've had the pleasure of playing through one a
dozen years ago, and I remember it as being halfway decent, although
not especially crisp.  In fairness, this may have been due to the
speakers.

A decent amp?  A collectible? Can't say.  I have a bunch of Supro
schematics in an old Jack Darr guitar amp repair book, and they
don't seem terribly different from many of the Gibson and Ampeg
designs of that day.  Could be a keeper.  Personally I prefer 8"
speakers, and a dual 8" setup strikes me as having the potential for
something in Fender Deluxe Reverb territory.

Mark Hammer

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From: sandman@sx.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
Subject: Re: Sounding Like Slash
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:19:57 GMT
Reply-To: sandman%sx.ac.uk@essex.ac.uk (sandman)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

Playing like Slash..

Yes it is that easy to "sound" like Slash, it is something else however to play
like Slash. There is a major difference.

Yes Slash does like blues scales, and especially the D chord.

No Slash isn't the best guitarist `Technically' however I think he is one of
the best at playing with feeling.

But then who am I but to comment I can barely play the thing meself..
 speaking of which.. if any one has the tab on the computer could ya send it
 to me .. cheers.



 - The Sandman
From: mrk@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Michael R. Kesti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: Tubes vs. Transistors
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:04:06 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA
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In article <1992Nov16.165306.19166@spectra.com>
                           ohumukin@spectra.com (Kawika Ohumukini) writes:

>So why use tubes?
>Simple.  Tubes amplify odd harmonics far superior to transistors.

This isn't right.  How would any amplification device "know" which harmonics
are which?  I believe it would be more accurate to say that tube amps, when
driven into non-linearity (ie, distortion), produce primarily odd harmonics.
Under the same conditions, transistors produce primarily even harmonics.  It
can be shown that distortion that consists of odd harmonics is more pleasing
to most people, and is part of the sound that many guitarists prefer.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: donahn@borland.com (Don Ahn)
Subject: Re: Tubes vs. Transistors
Originator: donahn@genghis.borland.com
Organization: Borland International
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:29:39 GMT

In article <1ekm7sINNcqd@gap.caltech.edu> franko@cco.caltech.edu (Frank Filipanits) writes:
>I don't agree with the whole thought process, but it goes something like this:
>see the sharp edge on the transistor clipping?  Sharp edges require more
>odd harmonics.  Round edges (like on the tube compression/clipping) are 
>composed of more even harmonics.  If you look at fourier decompositions, 
>anything with an edge (triangle, square) has lots of odd harmonics.


As you point out, sharp edges have both even and odd harmonics.  What
I've always heard is that transistors have both when they distort and
tubes have the less objectionable set (I guess that means even?).  I've
heard this often enough from a variety of reputable books and articles
over time that I tend to believe it.  Supposedly you can get a much
higher measured THD percentage in a tube amp before the sound falls
apart, and when you do distort, the distortions sounds better.
So the idea is: More compression before clipping, more punch before crunch.
This translates to more attack and less mush at equivalent distortion levels.

By the way, all the studies I've heard of have been with class A
amplifier configurations (i.e. preamp stages). I also tend to believe
that most of the characteristic sound of a tube or solid state amp
is up front before the power stage.

Also, I should mention that the comparisions were for triodes vs.
bipolar transistors.  FET's and pentodes are supposed to be more
objectionable that triodes but less objectionable than bipolar.
Supposedly, a balanced power FET back end should sound very close
to a pair of EL34's.

-Don Ahn

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar,rec.music.synth
From: mrmike@geta.life.uiuc.edu (Mike McCaughey)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Vintage Guitar Synthesizer
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:51:37 GMT

shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:

>In article <wf2PIfi00V86AcMEp5@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Jeremy G. Mereness" <zonker+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>|> 
>|> I'm looking for a vintage guitar synth. 
>|> 
>|> Specifically, I am looking for the Roland GR300. This model predated the
>|> MIDI guitars; it's little, floor-standing, and blue. It requires one of
>|> Roland's custom GR guitars with a special pickup and socket. This is the
>|> model that Pat Metheny plays when he isn't using his Synclavier. 
>|> 
>|> It doesn't look like there are many of these around. Any leads would be
>|> helpful, however. 

>Try Used Sound (613) 594-5449. Ask for Hans and tell 'em Shiv
>sent ya. I think I saw a Roland GR guitar synth like the one you describe
>in there not too long ago.

I'm interested in digging up one of the old Roland pre-MIDI guitar
synths as well. I think the model is the GR-1; it was sold as a
Les Paul- style guitar and synthbox. The guitar had all the synth
controller stuff onboard (and was thus covered with knobs) and had
a multi-pin connector. Played one once in Chicago years ago; it   
didn't track very well but was very funky...

I'd be glad to hear from anyone who has seen one around....

mrmike
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: g_house@goes11.enet.dec.com (Greg House)
Subject: Re: Damage to a tube Marshall?
Reply-To: g_house@goes11.enet.dec.com (Greg House)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Colorado Springs CO
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:45:39 GMT


I had something similar happen to an old Hiwatt 1x12 combo I used to have.

It was damaged in transit when I moved across the country and required that 
a tube and a tube socket be replaced.  After I did that, I fired it up and
it immediately smoked another preamp tube.  I replaced ALL the preamp tubes
and it sounded incredible!  Better then it had ever sounded, since I'd had
it.  There was an amazing difference in sound.

So, my advice is that if you had a bad tube, you should probably replace
all of them. 

Greg
From: goodrich@lynx.larc.nasa.gov (Mike Goodrich)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: What makes a giid guitarist?
Date: 16 Nov 1992 15:53:07 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
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In article <83599@ut-emx.uucp>, logan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Logan Shaw) writes:
|> In article <1doumiINNcvf@rave.larc.nasa.gov> goodrich@lynx.larc.nasa.gov (Mike Goodrich) writes:
|> >I want to disagree with your wife's comments. After having played guitar for
|> >some 19 years in several different styles I feel that I have some observations
|> >for you to consider. "Having good ears" as they say is definitely a gift - one
|> >that to my dismay, I do not posess.  But I find that hard work can make up for
|> >anything; it's just that I have to work on what others can simply "hear".
|> 
|> Well, I'd have to disagree with you somewhat there.  I used to not have the
|> gift, but then a frightening and wondrous thing happened to me - I took
|> music theory.  In one year of high school instruction, I learned to hear
|> things about 100 times better than I could previous to taking the course.
|> Now, sometimes I walk up to an instrument (guitar or piano) and play the
|> note I'm humming on the first try, whereas it used to be that I couldn't
|> even be sure which note I was playing.
|> 

Actually, I agree with you, having glossed over this on my first post. I
understand
that pitch and interval recognition can be learned, but I insist that there
is still a gift out there. I've known several people, who with no training at
all, could recognize ANYTHING I could play for them - even when I tried to
wierd them out. BTW, I took about a year of music theory in college including
ear training, and I while don't suggest it wasn't beneficial, I find that
it's a constant struggle for me to 'hear' what's going on in a tune...


...mike
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: cseb@frodo.lfi.uni-hannover.de (Christian Sebeke)
Subject: 4 Sale: Guitar Amp (Germany)
Reply-To: cseb@frodo.lfi.uni-hannover.de
Organization: Univ. Hannover, LFI, Abt. Design&Test
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:14:29 GMT


            ENGL 850 Stereo Guitar Rack Head for sale!

Features:

- All Tubes, 18 (!) in all, some are selected types.

- 3 channel preamp section (clean/crunch/lead). A very good clean
  sound and an incredible lead make this amp versatile for nearly any
  music style. The crunch option raises the sensitivity of the clean
  section to make it overdriveable.

- Internal Reverb. You may also put a stereo effects processor between
  preamp and poweramp via the preamp-out and right/left-in jacks.

- 2 x 35 watt power amp section, each channel with precence, volume and
  standby. 4 jacks for 8 or 16 Ohm speakers. (e.g. Marshall 1936 in
  stereo mode)

- Dimension: 2 rack spaces, that's what I would call "compact".

- excellent condition, has been in a rack always.

You can get it new at DM 1895,- from Musik Prodiktiv or from me at DM
1400,- incl. shipping in germany. I want to reorganise my rack with
Engl gear, so you should not assume that I sell this because of a bad
sound.


cs

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Christian Sebeke, Univ. Hannover/LFI, Schneiderberg 32, D-3000 Hannover 1                             Tel: +49 511 762 5035                    sebeke@frodo.lfi.uni-hannover.de
From: thall@cs.unc.edu (Andrew Thall)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: Finger noise on strings
Date: 21 Nov 92 16:12:22 GMT

In article <TMR.92Nov21125331@fat-controller.bham.ac.uk>, tmr@cs.bham.ac.uk (Tim Read) writes:
|> I have a small problem I was hoping someone may have a solution to.
|> 
|> The problem is that when I am playing certain quiet bits of music on
|> my acoustic guitar, that involve a lot of left hand finger movement up
|> and down strings, there is an associated squeaking noise made by my
|> fingers rubbing against the metal strings. I can limit it a bit by
|> licking my fingers before playing the piece, but it is a pain. How do
|> others get around this problem? It is not always possible to remove
|> my fingers from the string, because the music is to fast.|> Thanks.

An answer that probably won't make you happy: depending on the style
of music you're playing, it might be better, rather than working to 
eliminate the noise of left hand switching, to learn to use switching
noise as another color in your sound-palette.  This is quite common among
blues stylists...the steel-string acoustic is a very "natural" instrument,
and I personally have never found offensive such human artifacts as
fingers gliding lightly over strings.  --In classical guitar, of course,
we'd want to avoid such extraneous noises.  Sorry can't be of more help.

-- 
Andrew "Only-the-worthless-can-be-reformed" Thall 
aka thall@cs.unc.edu
--"...and God turned to him and said, '--What was your name again?'"
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
From: deal_j@apollo.HP.COM (John Deal)
Subject: Re: Advice: Fender PRO 185 amp
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:54:19 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

In article <9232603.2199@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, crmilton@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Christopher Robert MILTON) writes:
|> Hi, just wondering if anyone knows anything about Fender PRO 185 amps - I'm
|> thinking of buying one since I've been impressed with the Fender Deluxe 85 but
|> want something a bit more powerful (the PRO is 160 watts). I'm after an amp with
|> a really clean sound.
|> 
|> Also, heard that there are 2 versions of the amp - one with a single 12"
|> speaker, and one with 2 12" speakers - any recommendations?
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> Chris.

The Stage 185 is a single 12" with extension speaker jack and the Pro 185 is
a 2 X 12" without the extension speaker jack, according to my Fender catalog
I have here in the office.  I also would like net opinions/experinces with
the 85s or the 185s since I would consider them as a upgrade to my Sidekick
25R (which I like alot) if I EVER get to gig out as a guitar player !!

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: till@campeau.lucid.com (Don Tillman)
Subject: Re: tube distortion
Reply-To: till@lucid.com
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:40:14

   From: ray@eecs.nwu.edu (Jim Ray)
   Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
   Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:59:02 GMT

   Does the tube warm sound come from single-ended preamp distortion or
   dual-ended driver/high gain distortion?

It's hard to tell what you're asking from the way you worded the question.
If you are asking if the distortions from typical preamp and power amp
stages are different, the answer is yes.

   If I have a preamp grid at -36V and have a positive excursion of 37V,
   then I have single-ended preamp distortion of the positive half cycle
   of the input.  Is this what creates only odd harmonic distortion?

A preamp grid is never biased much below a few volts.  

An amp stage where the transfer curve is symmetrical (positive and negative)
will contain no even order distortion.  It's completely device independant.

  -- Don
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar,alt.guitar
From: pkor@phoenix.oulu.fi (Pasi Korhonen)
Subject: Re: Gibson Oddity
Organization: Ripoff Industries
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:35:14 GMT

My name is Brian Rost (rost@tecrus.dec.com) wrote:

: >   make and model were produced. Does anyone know how to find out? Also
: >   were there any other Gibson guitars with 3 P-90s as opposed to 3
: >   single coils?
: 
: I've seen a couple of these floating around, they are not that rare.
: 
: Other Gibsons with three P90s?  There was a Thunderbird model, and early ES-5
: Switchmasters had P-90s rather than humbuckers.
: 

	Nonreverse Firebird III, 3 P-90's, between 1965 and 1969
	

	Pasi

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From: rseymour@reed.edu (Robert Seymour)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar,alt.guitar
Subject: Impressions on Ibanez JS Series guitars?
Keywords: ibanez
Date: 21 Nov 92 07:17:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov21.071707.26905
Reply-To: rseymour@reed.edu
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR


	I'm in the market for a new guitar and I was looking through the Ibanez  
catalog. I'd like to hear from anyone who owns one of the Joe Satriani (JS)  
series guitars. They looked fairly well made and comfortable, but what is the  
sound like? Can you get a good range of sounds? Thanks in advance.

--
Robert Seymour				rseymour@reed.edu
Departments of Physics and Philosophy
Artificial Life Project			Reed College
Reed Solar Energy Project (SolTrain)	Portland, OR
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
From: sts@icebox.mfltd.co.uk (Steve Sherwood (x5354))
Subject: RE: YNGWIE MALMSTEEN
Reply-To: sts@icebox.mfltd.co.uk (Steve Sherwood (x5354))
Organization: Micro Focus Ltd., Newbury, UK
Distribution: mf
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:21:46 GMT




I'm afraid that I do not rate Mr. Malmsteen very highly at all.  As a guitarist
he is no doubt, very good, but his style (im my mind) leaves some to be desired.

The only album that he has produced that has any good music on it at all is
Trilogy.  All the albums after that are very commercial rock with a solo played
at 300 mph (including a short classical section).  Very much Mr Vinnie Moore.

Compared with Joe Satriani who's musical diversity and lack of ego make him a
much better guitarist.  Also one shouldn't ignore guitarists like Marty Friedman
and Zakk Wilde who have both produced some very good material.  Although a
different style, Garry Moore is also a guitarist that places a lot of feeling
into guitar work (Steve Vai once described him has his favorate soloist !).

The other big factor against Mr. Malmsteen is his ego.  Many people dislike him
just because of this fact.  Someone one said after a concert with
Joe Lyn Turner that it 'Seemed like a battle of the egos'.

Never heard the phrase.. ?
	"Bigger than Yngwie Malmsteen's collection of Yngwie Malmsteen records !"


Steve


In article <92323.124950KAP118@psuvm.psu.edu> Kevin Polcovich <KAP118@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Just wanted to get everyone's input on Yngwie. How do you rank him with other
>guitarists-he's at the very top of my list. For those who say "you can't
>compare guitarists" don't respond. Thanks, Kevin




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From: aumentad@aludra.usc.edu (SUPERGROVER)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Duplicating Marshall heads...
Date: 20 Nov 1992 14:50:48 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


I've been thinking about building an amp head and figured I might as well go 
whole hog and try to build a marshall.  Anyhow I have a friend with a 
Marshall head (I don't know what kind) and I don't want to ask him to crack
it open (and I don't want to try and figure out the circuit from scratch)
so i was wondering if anyone has tried to do this and if they've got the 
circuit designs, etc. so I can have something to do this Christmas break.

If you've got info please email me at
aumentad@aludra.usc.edu

  

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar

In a recent copy (~11/1) of Electronic Engineering Times, there is a
fascinating article "Chip sounds like an old Fender".  It describes
the Tube Emulator by Eric Pritchard of Berkeley Springs, W. Va.

He claims oscilliscope traces of his circuit are indistinguishable
from 12AX7 vacuum tubes, and audiophiles  and professional musicians
have been unable to distinguish between the two.

Pritchard has taken a different approach of using solid state circuits
to replace just the tube instead of the entire tube amplfication circuit.

Pritchard says the unique audio qualities of tubes are tied to non-linear
properties of the grid , for which models have never been developed.  Audio
engineers previously had used crude linear models of vacuum tubes, which
failed to capture the "warmth" of tube amps.

He has formed a company, Deja Vu Audio, to market the Tube Emulator.

(I think this if the first time I've ever seen an article about musical
 instruments in EE Times, I got quite a kick out of it.)

Keith Erskine
From: bret@tfd.COM (Bret Weinraub)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: Which Fender?
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:36:00 GMT
Organization: Twenty-First Designs, Wash, DC

In article <1e6l1pINN9f0@golem.wcc.govt.nz>, watson_mj@med.wcc.govt.nz writes:
> I considering buying a new elecric guitar to replace my existing one, 
> I can't afford an origanal strat, so I'm looking to buy either a 
> japanese or mexican, version. I played a mex in a shop, and was impressed, 
> but I haven't had an opportunity to try a japanese strat, yet...

Okay, so you played the Mexistrat and you think, "COOL!, and I'm
not going to pay a lot for this muffler."  Well before you go
smashing the piggy-bank, take a look at the bridge on that bad boy.
Chinsy-chinsy.  You can hear the springs go 'ping' when you tune or
even bend.

This is not for you.  You know how to get out of that trap.  So if
you still aren't up to the price tag for a Japanese Strat, there
are other low-priced options.  I wouldn't overlook G&L guitars.
If you are hell bent for a cheap Fender, the Korean Squire Strats
have a much better bridge than the Mexistrats, and even cost less.

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