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From: MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster)
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:00:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.132944.3601@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>
lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave) writes:
 
>In article <1992Aug27.011842.28335@news.columbia.edu>, egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>>
>> Here's the AP wire report on the Pat Robertson letter.
>>
>
     (deleted)
 
>Enough with the meaningless rhetoric....lets see the text of the
>amendment so we can make a truly informed judgement.
>
>Dr. Norman J. LaFave
 
I don't think the text of the amendment is the point.  The article
shows that Pat Robertson is a serious whacko who should not be running
around loose.
 
Jim McMaster
From: rbw3q@helga9.acc.Virginia.EDU (Robert B. Whitehurst)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Gore Stages Environmental Show Trials
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:59:41 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Aug25.020331.23739@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com writes:
>Keywords: 
>
>In article <1992Aug19.230130.10221@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rbw3q@helga9.acc.Virginia.EDU (Robert B. Whitehurst) writes:
>]In article <1992Aug19.153426.21442@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com writes:
>]>As Balling points out, the available evidence indicates that global warming
>]>is more likely to be beneficial than harmful. The most likely warming
>]>comes at high latitudes at night. Furthermore, increased precipitation,
>]>and increased CO2 concentrations, would improve agricultural productivity.
>]>
>][Lots o' stuff about how good CO2 is for the 3rd world, etc....]
>]
[many merciful deletions]
>
>You neglect that the natural climatic variability is greater than any
>reasonable global warming prediction. GW might increase the number
>of YEARS of bad conditions, which might force some agriculture to
>change crops, but I think you have way to little respect for
>the resilience of either human or natural systems. Furthermore, since
>GW would be gradual, the disruption would be small because systems
>could adapt slowly.
>
>Don't just look at trends, look at bounds, and at feedback systems.
>It just ain't as simple as first or second derivatives.
>
>John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)

	There are an awful lot of "mights" in these claims.  With the
stakes so high, and the systems (Planet Earth) so massive, I for one
do not wish to bet you are right.  And "slow" would have to be on
order of hundreds, if not thousands, of years in order to allow the
rearrangement of species niches.  And I don't just look at graphs, I
look at the real world.  I (personally) look at the Green/Colorado
river drainage, which has been irrevocably changed so that people like
you can live a comfortable existence watering your lawns in the middle
of the desert.  By the way, if the Colorado reservoirs keep silting at
current rates, a few decades will see large losses of capacity.
Introduction of alien species have destroyed many of the systems in
the canyons.  The basin and high plains country used to support vast
grasslands, which humans have reduced to juniper/sage scrub in less
than 100 years.  In my own home state, the most economically valuable
tree, the American chestnut, was eradicated in 1/2 a generation by an
introduced blight, and the oaks are in danger of the same from
introduced moths.  So don't talk to me about "feedback," because I see
up close what happens to both natural and cultivated communities under
pressure.  Climb out of your software, and learn to see, touch, and
smell what you are talking about.

-- 

Brad Whitehurst    |   Aerospace Research Lab
rbw3q@Virginia.EDU |   We like it hot...and fast.
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:36:13 -0400 
From: David_Carr@transarc.com
Subject: Re: Bush and Clinton Character Issue
	<26AUG92.21561754@vax.clarku.edu>

htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
...
> You want to pick a candidate? Disregard what they're saying in speeches.
> Maybe listen during the debates. Beyond that, examine their *records* in
> terms of the issues that are most important to you. You like one guy better?
> Vote for him.
> 
> -
> Bart "Webb" Tilney              |   "All of life is a blur 
> Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu   |    of Republicans and meat!"


Excellent point! (translation - I agree with you.)  Another, more
pessimistic, approach would be to follow the 'trail of money.'
Presidential campaigns are enormously expensive undertakings and most
of the people/organizations that are major contributors expect their
candidate to champion their interests.


Dave Carr
davecarr@transarc.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: Clinton's lies
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:40:14 GMT

In article <saurav.714849300@cory.Berkeley.EDU>
saurav@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Saurav Chatterjee) writes:
 
>
>MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
>
>>From a recent speech of Slippery Bill's:
>>
>>"  Our productivity has fallen way below that of other rich countries
>>like Germany and Japan..."
>>
>>But Japan's productivity is 80% of that of the US, and Germany's, 75%.
>>And US productivity grew twice as fast in the 80s as in the 70s.
>
>But I read a few months ago in US News & World Reports that
>the rate of productivity increase for Japan and Germany is larger than
>the US's.
>
>Saurav Chatterjee
 
Since their overall productivity is lower, they can have a greater rate
of increase while still a lower overall level of productivity, right? In
fact, countries with a very low level would be expected to show the
greatest % change in either direction. Countries with very high levels
of productivity might be considered to be near maximum productivity for
a given technological level, and hence would only be able to increase
productivity marginally at best. Thus we may be seeing an artifact.
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 14:12:05 GMT

In article <X2NaqB6w164w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us> elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:
>
>In studying the 1960 election, one of the things that will always stick out in
>my mind are the attacks made by the GOP on JFK for being Roman Catholic.
>Accusations that if JFK would be elected, the country would be ruled from Rome,
>and other such nonense.  It's sort of funny (in a sick, perverted way) that the
>party that was so afraid of being controlled by a religious group in 1960 is
>now totally dominated and controlled by the Radical Religious Right thirty-two
>years later.

But, you see, those fundies are the Good Guys!  All those RC are evil
papists, in the employ of Satan.  Being dominated by the religious
right is GOOD!


--
Sweet Thames, run softly till I end my song
Sweet Thames, run softly, for I speak not loud or long.
			-- T.S. Eliot, "The Wasteland"
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
From: alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex)
Subject: Re: Clinton leads new poll by 34 points
Keywords: yes
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:25:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.230457.11223@Csli.Stanford.EDU>, mmarx@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Marx) writes:

|> What I'd personally like to see in the media is abandoning the
|> one-poll report. Different polls taken at the same time have reflected
|> differences which are not accounted for by their margins of error. It
|> seems that poll reporting should be based on two (at the least) or
|> more simultaneously conducted polls in an effort to improve accuracy
|> in the press.

	The New York Times is pretty good about this. The biggest problem
is that polls cost money, and are paid for by news sysndicates, so it's
difficult to get the complete poll results from a compeditor. This means
that the Times is stuck with rereporting the already disclosed results
of other polls, which makes life difficult.

-- 
                               Alex Crain::UMBC Academic Computing Services
The feminist agenda is a socialist, anti-family political movement that 
encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice 
witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. - Pat Robertson 1992
From: rbw3q@helga9.acc.Virginia.EDU (Robert B. Whitehurst)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Question about speeches.....
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:50:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <Bto5wK.I9t@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> stacysm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Steve Stacy + Audra) writes:
>   This may sound like a stupid question, and may have nothing to do
>with what this news group usually talks about, but I could think of
>nowhere else to ask it.
>   What are the small rectangular tinted pieces of glass that are 
>on metal bars on either side of the president whenever he makes a speech
>used for?  I have always wondered.  It's the kind of thing that keeps
...
>	Steve

	They are teleprompters.  I didn't agree with lots of the
Reagan agenda, but I do admit he was a master of the teleprompter
speech.

-- 

Brad Whitehurst    |   Aerospace Research Lab
rbw3q@Virginia.EDU |   We like it hot...and fast.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis)
Subject: correction - Grand Opening - Genis for U.S. Senate HQ
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:41:10 GMT

         Grand Opening - Genis for U.S. Senate Headquarters

                Thursday, September 3, 1992, 7-9 pm
                         1806 Market Street
                      San Francisco, CA  94102

Building is near the corner of Octavia and Market.  This is a pie
shaped block with Waller hitting Octavia just past Market.  If
you're driving you can take Market to Octavia to Waller and drive to
the end of the block where Waller dead-ends into the U.C. Extension
parking lot on Laguna.  Parking there is $3.00 for the whole evening
and they're open until 11 pm.

In addition to June Genis, Mary Gingell, National Chair of the
Libertarian Party will also be speaking.  Wine and cheese will be
served.  A $5.00 donation is suggested to cover expenses.  For
further information contact Jerry Pico at 415-554-0388.

People outside the Bay Area who wish to obtain campaign information
can call 1-800-894-JUNE.
From: dredish+@cs.cmu.edu (David Redish)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Clinton and Flowers Question
Date: 30 Aug 92 15:50:24 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <athos-280892123302@athos.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
>Q: Did you sleep with Gennifer Flowers?
>A: Her story is not true.  I didn't have a 12 year affair with her.  I had
>   some problems with my marriage.
>Translation: Yes I did.
>
>--
>Rick Eames
>athos@apple.com
>My opinions are my own, thank you very much!

No, 
Translation: I had an affair with someone, but it wasn't her.

david redish
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: rbw3q@helga9.acc.Virginia.EDU (Robert B. Whitehurst)
Subject: Re: Clinton endorses Reagan
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:11:34 GMT

In article <1684FD39A.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>Well, uh. .uh. .there you go again, uh. . uh. .Bill.
>
>from the Washington Post article by Dan Baiz and Ruth Marcus, entitled
>"Clinton Tries to Bury Draft Issue in Speech" (to the American Legion):
>
>"Clinton said neither Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, nor Ronald
>Reagan served in the military yet were good leaders."
>
>Gee.  I wonder if he highlighted his National Guard exploits like he
>did on Good Morning America?  If he had gone to VietNam, I'll bet he
>would have inhaled.

	I saw the extended excerpt of the speech played on
McNeil-Lehrer.  Actually, he was quite impressive by not dodging the
issue and candidly facing most of the issue.  He stated up front that
though he was sure lots of Legionnaires would disagree with him, he
respected them for it, and honored their service.  Hopefully he's
learned his lesson about really obvious waffling!

-- 

Brad Whitehurst    |   Aerospace Research Lab
rbw3q@Virginia.EDU |   We like it hot...and fast.
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From: bks@alfa.berkeley.edu (Bradley K. Sherman)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: GOP violates Constitution
Date: 2 Sep 1992 18:19:49 GMT
Organization: United States of America
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: alfa.berkeley.edu

In article <182rttINN4tj@agate.berkeley.edu> bks@alfa.berkeley.edu (Bradley K. Sherman) writes:
>
>Anasazi... Aren't they the Americans who fought for 100 years (17th century)
>to prevent the Europeans from imposing their religious orthodoxy?  Not
>particularly appropriate for a Buchanan apologist.
>

As I have received some e-mail critical of my identification of the
Anasazi as victims of European religious persecution I am supplying
a reference:

 _Anasazi Culture_, Encyclopedia Britannica, 15th edition, Micropedia,
 V. I, p. 341.

In the article one can find that European influence on the culture
dates from 1598, culminating in outright revolt in the late 17th
century and subjugation circa 1700.  The highest point of Anasazi
culture is pre-Columbian, and this is probably the source of some
confusion.

----
    --Brad Sherman (bks@alfa.berkeley.edu)

Many are sure, but few are right.
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From: Chris.Holt@newcastle.ac.uk (Chris Holt)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Responsibility: The Dirty Word (was Re: Insulted by...
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:33:32 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR) writes:
>In article <1992Aug23.203513.28221@ncsu.edu>, dsh@odin.ece.ncsu.edu (Doug Holt writes...

>>People should stop blaming the government for all their problems,
>>and start taking personal responsibility for themselves and
>>their family.

>"Personal Responsibility". These are good words. But looks who is speaking
>them (I don't mean you doug). As Harry Truman said,"The buck stops here."
>He was taking responsibility, even when the economy wasn't doing good,
>he stood up and said "I'll take responsibility."
>	A certain other president referred to Mr. Truman recently, but
>did he say,"The buck stops here." No. He said,"It's congresses fault."
>Responsibility is a good word. But it only means something if the man
>who speaks it is as good as his word.

Remember when Nixon said something along the lines of:
        "I'll take all the responsibility, but none of the blame"?
Ah, they don't make politicians like they used to; so forthright.
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:03:01 GMT

zursch@whizkid.wpd.sgi.com (Jeffrey B. Zurschmeide) writes:
: In article <mjenkins.715015044@cunews>, Michael Jenkinson writes:
: 
: >Read the New Testament and see what Jesus was all about. You may be
: >surprised.
: 
: I did and I was. It had nothing to do with the modern Protestant church. 
: I was amazed that Karl Marx didn't pick it up and run with it. It's the
: best socialist tract I ever read. Think about it. It exhorts us to give up our
: wordly quests and love each other, and take care of each other. It exhorts
: us to put God and Love foremost in our lives. It teaches us not to worry 
: about the government and to discount material possessions. 
: 
: QED,
: 
: JZ

Yes. It's too bad Christians don't follow the teaching of Jesus.


Kathy
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From: lazarus@ocf.berkeley.edu (Andrew J. Lazarus)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: A positive agenda from conservatives (was Re: Clinton's plan )
Date: 26 Aug 1992 22:11:38 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tsunami.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug22.022654.5849@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:

Someone else wrote

|>On the other hand, the nuclear industry has been handed liability
|>limitation on a silver platter.  If you favor market approaches,
|>let's remove these limits so that the nuclear industry has to
|>put up full liability insurance or bond obtained in a free market.
|>My guess is that will strangle the industry as well.

>No other industry has unlimited liability.  (GM's liability is limited
>to its assets.)  Why should the nuke industry be any different?

That's easy. (Was this a quiz?) The potential damage to tangible asset
ratio is probably higher for nuclear power than anything else imaginable
(maybe toxic chemical manufacturing plants.) What could GM do that would
cause Chernobyl-type damage? Nothing. Not even making lousy or dangerous
cars. In other words, GM's assets appear quite sufficient to handle any
serious claim against them.

The nuclear industry is completely different. If a nuclear power comapny
makes a bad reactor, operates it unsafely, or in some other way screws
up, it will have virtually no assets (what use is a reactor which is
unusable in future?) and potentially billions in liabilities.

Inciidentally, do you have any proof tht GM's liability is limited by
its assets? Surely they have various types of insurance as well: it is
limited by the sum of its own assets and those of its insurers.

andy
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: Yet another wager for the cowardly
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:22:44 GMT

In article <BAGCHI.92Sep4141757@quip.eecs.umich.edu>
bagchi@eecs.umich.edu (Ranjan Drzzzzt!  Bagchi) writes:
 
>
>In article <16858BD43.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
>>[wager deleted]
>
>        I take it that you're resigned to a Clinton presidency?
>
>        -rj
>
     Didn't I make that clear the last time? Yes. I think four years
 of Carter II ("He's Back, and He's Spending Your Money!") is just what the
 American people need to remind them why they voted Republican three times
 in a row.
 
     And still no takers. Could it be not even the Democrats are stupid enough
 to buy into Clinton's promises?
 
         --mje
>--
>Ranjan Bagchi:   Di.sigsgvirusuise                 Ranjan.Bagchi@umich.edu
>oo   oooo  o oo   ooo oo oo   oo       o o  oooo ooo o       o        oooooooo
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From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 16:11:38 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS, New Orleans, LA

egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:

> In article <X2NaqB6w164w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us> elendil@mintir.new-orleans
> >
> >In studying the 1960 election, one of the things that will always stick out
> >my mind are the attacks made by the GOP on JFK for being Roman Catholic.
> >Accusations that if JFK would be elected, the country would be ruled from Ro
> >and other such nonense.  It's sort of funny (in a sick, perverted way) that
> >party that was so afraid of being controlled by a religious group in 1960 is
> >now totally dominated and controlled by the Radical Religious Right thirty-t
> >years later.
>
> But, you see, those fundies are the Good Guys!  All those RC are evil
> papists, in the employ of Satan.  Being dominated by the religious
> right is GOOD!
>
>
> --
> Sweet Thames, run softly till I end my song
> Sweet Thames, run softly, for I speak not loud or long.
>                       -- T.S. Eliot, "The Wasteland"

Hey, those papists are anti-abortion also.  You noticed that most of the fundie
preachers have toned down their attacks against Catholics?  Shoot, even
Swaggart was forced to back off of the RCC before his demise.  If the radical
religious right ever gets its way on abortion, then they'll go back to bashing
the evils of Rome...




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From: jfed@athena.mit.edu (Jude G Federspiel)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Who toppled Communism??
Date: 26 Aug 92 04:08:28 GMT
Organization: MIT Project Athena

In article <l9lmguINNmcm@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, aldo@ips-server.Eng.Sun.COM (Aldo Castillo) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug25.025652.24784@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com writes:
|> >
|> >
|> >... If you travel to eastern europe, you will find
|> >out that many people there and in Russia consider Reagan to be their
|> >liberator. Lech Walesa got a lot of aid from Reagan (via the pope).
|> 
|> I think that it is prepostereous to argue that Reagan is considered a
|> liberator in the ex-Eastern bloc.  Have you heard of any monuments to
|> honor the aforementioned liberator?  I'm sure not.  
|> 

That's because they don't have any money yet!!  Wait a cuppla years!!  :)




|> Wake up and smell the coffee :-)
|> 
|> Aldo Castillo
|> Mountain View, California
|> 
|> 
|> Disclaimer:  the opinions presented here are mine only -- and vi's


Jude Federspiel
jfed@athena.mit.edu

P.S.  I got many varied reactions from people in West Germany while I was
there as an exchange student, but many ( a majority of those I discussed it
with) _did_ give Reagan a great deal of credit for removing a HUGE threat
to their safety--I'm sure the East Germans are at least as grateful, because
they are seeing huge economic gains along with their social and civil rights
benefits.
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From: GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis)
Subject: Re: Why I cannot vote Democratic
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:21:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.143612.18977@Princeton.EDU>,
pswanson@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Paul Swanson) writes:
>What is the message here?  Well, first, I don't think that an
>anti-Florio vote is going to be much of a factor in the presidential
>election.  Second, NJ voters did throw the bums out (the legislature was
>previously controled by the democrats) and it didn't seem to change
>things.  Kind of depressing, actually.

Seems to me the message is "Vote Libertarian" :-)

/June
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