HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: peters@beltrix.guild.org (Peter Sleggs)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: 1.65 is still BETA.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 21:17:45 EDT
Organization: Bellatrix Systems Corp., Mississauga, ONT Canada

bigbrd!ersys!davem@cs.alberta.ca (Dave McCrady) writes:

> ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:
> 
> > dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
> > 
> > > anything.  What's the new proposed release date for 1.65, Tom?
> > 
> > hallowe'en, 1991.
> 
>   He said Hallowe'en.  I'm not so sure he said 1991.... :)

Oh he said 1991, he just counts different from the rest of us :)

--
peters@beltrix.guild.org or torag!beltrix!peters
From: root@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: mail to non-waffle users under xenix
Summary: mail, mail, mail
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:09:16 GMT
Followup-To: alt.bbs.waffle
Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA

>Does anyone have any idea how I can get Waffle to allow users to send mail
>to people who just have shell accounts (root comes to mind, as an example).
>

I've seen people diable the mail system of waffle (*nix) and then run elm as
an external. By doing this, all mail bypasses the restrictions imposed by
waffle itself. Of course, it takes some twiddling to accomplish...

-- 
root@dogear.spk.wa.us - Bob Kirkpatrick, Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA
"...I know it when I see it."  --potter stewart
From: root@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: MAIL FOLDERS under 1.65b7
Keywords: WAFFLE MAIL FOLDER 1.65 BETA
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:20:45 GMT
Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA

In article <ZqZViB1w165w@hale.cts.com> system@hale.cts.com (System Administration) writes:
>
> 
>Here's one for your smart types.
> 
>How do you get to the mail submenu when you have no mail waiting, other 
>than mailing yourself?
> 

I always just sent myself an empty mail message.

-- 
Bob Kirkpatrick  bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us   Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA
"If we don't succeed, we risk failure..."  --dan quayle
From: scott@ryptyde.cts.com (Scott McClure)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: mail to non-waffle users under xenix
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:23:03 GMT
Organization: Ryptyde TimeSharing, San Diego, CA

peterson@ZGNews.Lonestar.Org writes:
>scott@ryptyde.cts.com (Scott McClure) writes:
>> But then you have the problem of having to find another editor besides vi
>> to work with elm.  You can't use vi, because they can read-in your waffle
>> password file, as well as /etc/passwd.
>> Not a good thing.

>  elm works quite well with other editors, e.g., MicroEMACS.  (I
>actually use MicroEMACS with elm on my Sun, as well as with MS-DOS
>Waffle in local mode.)  I know microemacs can be configured to operate
>in a restricted mode.  Besides, you get sources.

Yes, but what about providing a stupid-proof editor interface for users
who don't know anything about Unix, or the editors people use with it?
I put up a waffle BBS on the system so I didn't have to teach users Unix.
(I did that for a while, it got old *FAST*.)  8-)

Using elm also assumes that all of your users have the ability to ansi, vt100,
or some other emulation that supports screen redraws.  Not everybody does,
believe it or not. 

>    Bob
>Bob Peterson          Waffle BBS: peterson@ZGNews.LoneStar.Org
>P.O. Box 865132       Internet: peterson@csc.ti.com  TelCo: 214 995-6080 days
>Plano, Tx 75086-5132  BBS: 214 596-3720 @1200, 2400, 9600-14400 (HST & V.32bis)

Scott

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From: mathew@mantis.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Re: NEED a waffle program but NOT as BBS (A news-reader type)
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:35:04 GMT
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

patrick@sideways.welly.gen.nz (Pat Cain) writes:
> phil%miracle@merk.com (Phil Hill) writes:
> > I know several people are working on Mail/News readers for Waffle.  I'm 90%
> > finished with a Windows version.
> 
> Hehe.. I've heard that before ("90% finished").  The last bit always
> seems to take the longest.

It's the well-known "ninety ninety" rule of software development.  The first
90% of a project takes the first 90% of the time, and the other 10% of the
project takes the other 90% of the time.


mathew
-- 
Buddy, can you spare a paradigm?
From: thantos@wyvern.via.mind.org (Paul Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Zmodem NOT recommended (was Re: f,e-protocol in 1.65)
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:03:03 GMT
Organization: The Wyvern's Nest (Lawrenceville, GA)

pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley) writes:

> Even for local calls, a hung recipient under Zmodem could tie up
> the sending modem.  And any replacement for UUCP-g that you propose
> has to be acceptable to those who do long-distance transfers!

  Exsqueeze me?  I've been using Zmodem since its inception on the BBSes 
  locally and I've never  seen the  circumstance you  describe.  Several 
  (many, if not most) PC-Bored network systems use  Zmodem as  protocol- 
  of-choice  over  long-distance,  because  it  is  *very*  robust   and 
  extremely fast.

-----
thantos@wyvern.via.mind.org (Paul Williams)
The Wyvern's Nest (Lawrenceville, GA)
From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: STEVIE/BBSTEVIE as external editors.
Keywords: security,dos,waffle
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 16:57:36 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066

phil%miracle@merk.com (Phil Hill) writes:

> frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton) writes:
> >Er, correct me if I'm wrong, but, uh, if you set the 
> >/waffle/system/static to R/O using the ATTRIB (or other) function, your 
> >users are *NOT* going to be able to edit them.
> >
> >What's so insecure about that?
> 
> Because in DOS all they have to say is
> 
> Attrib -r \waffle\system\static
> 
> And they now have access to your files.
> 
> - Phil
Huh?  Who gives their users access to a command like THAT?

Like I said in my first posting, DOS Waffle is completely secure.  If 
you're trusting enough to give your users access to DOS, you're giving 
them the key to the city...and you have no one to blame but yourself.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Steve Frampton (frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca), Kingston, Ontario, CANADA
"Sometimes I tune my car radio to static and pretend I'm flying an F-16"
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Zmodem NOT recommended (was Re: f,e-protocol in 1.65)
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 10:59:54 PDT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

geoff@satori.equinox.gen.nz (Geoff McCaughan) writes:

> pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley) writes:
> > different, but to use larger parameters.  Somebody with source to
> > Waffle should just change these values in uucico.
> 
> The "source" you get for waffle does *not* include uucico.

Ed Hopper's uuPCB package uses Waffle's uucico, because it is not
copyrighted by Tom Dell.  Ed says it is readily available outside of
Waffle, but I don't know where.  Can someone point it out?



[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor -- mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US -- cerritos.edu!batpad!mike
[] Long Beach, California
[] TNG Quote: "You were travelling in close formation at over 80,000 kph, only
[] 10 meters from Cadet Albert, and you didn't even know his orientation?!?"
From: pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: UUCICO Problems With Gorgeous Screens.
Keywords: uucico,dos,waffle,problem
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:52:54 GMT
Reply-To: pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley)
Organization: Ember---private system

In article <FP3XiB1w164w@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca> frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
(Steve Frampton) writes:

Hi Steve!

>I made an attractive screen (took me two hours) and replaced the 'entry' 
>file with it.
>
>However, things go "bump" when attempting a site calls via UUCICO to send 
>me some mail/news.  I've simulated this on my other computer to find out 
>what is happening, the modems connect, UUCICO begins looking for the 
>'NEW:' prompt (this is Waffle UUCICO btw) but instead is inundated with 
>this ANSI screen stuff.
>
>It doesn't even let 4 ANSI lines go by before it gets uppity and says, 
>"Login failed, never got NEW:".
>
>Any tunable parameters for this?

Not likely---how do you tell what system is calling in?!

Incidently, there's an easy solution, if you'd only talked to your
neighbours first (like me) :-)

I can tell my login script ("chat script") to keep looking, again,
and again, again... enough times to get by the login screen.

So sure, if you want a big, ugly, bbs screen, I can handle it.  I
assume Waffle can too (but you don't have any waffle sites calling
you, so it doesn't matter to you, right?)

- Paul Colley
University:  colley@qucis.queensu.ca
Home:        pacolley@ember.uucp   watmath!ember!pacolley  +1 613 545 3807
"Quantum Mechanics:  The dreams stuff is made of"    - Ken Burnside
From: jimmy_t@verifone.com
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Can Waffle be used as an email hub?
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:47:02 HST
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

Can I use Waffle  as a store and forward hub for mail? i.e. lots of
PC's running UUPC (or other UUCP implementations) calling into
a central PC running Waffle to retrieve or leave messages?

If not, any suggestions on what can do this?

Thanks.

Jim
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
|  James H. Thompson                 |   jimmy_t@verifone.com    (Internet) |
|  VeriFone Inc.                     |   uunet!verifone!jimmy_t  (UUCP)     |
|  100 Kahelu Avenue                 |   808-623-2911            (Phone)    |
|  Mililani, HI 96789                |   808-625-3201            (FAX)      |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: "funky" keyboard under WINDOWS
Keywords: keyboard,problem,dos,windows
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 17:42:13 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066

tom@salzo.Cary.NC.US (Tom Salzmann) writes:

> When running in a DOS window or full screen under Windows 3.1, I 
> sometimes lose a typed character or two when in a local login
> of Waffle.  Has this been seen before?  Is there any switch to 
> set to help this?  Will 1.65 clean up the keyboard input code a bit?
> 

Hi Tom.  You didn't mention very much about your configuration, so I can 
only hazard a guess here.

Are you using the Quarterdeck QEMM 386 Memory Manager software?

If so, try adding 'IGNOREA20 UNUSUAL8042' to your config.sys file:

  device=c:\qemm\qemm.sys ... etc ... IGNOREA20 UNUSUAL8042

The IGNOREA20 and UNUSUAL8042 switches might clear up these keyboard 
problems.  I experienced this myself, this fix worked for me.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Steve Frampton (frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca), Kingston, Ontario, CANADA
"Sometimes I tune my car radio to static and pretend I'm flying an F-16"
From: zot@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Chris Boebel)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle and "pretty ANSI" screens
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:13:41 GMT
Organization: The Tower of Zot - (716)838-0220

sp@questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Pershing) writes:

> After watching all the flack about waffle not accomodating colorful
> ANSI screens, my feeling is: why bother?
> 
> Some people claim to have lost "hundreds" of users, all because of waffle.
> "If only I were running _____us  or some other bbs, all would be so much
> better.
> 

I agree. Many users in this area do not call because waffle lacks ansi. 
However, I dont really see the need. If you are going to call to read 
messages and 'do the mail thing' then ansi is not really necessary. Big 
ansi screens are slow at low bauds and tend to get kinda annoying.

Chris

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
From: harrison@adobe.com (Harrison Page)
Subject: Re: MAIL FOLDERS under 1.65b7
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:45:07 GMT

In article <ZqZViB1w165w@hale.cts.com>, system@hale.cts.com (System Administration) writes:
>  
> How do you get to the mail submenu when you have no mail waiting, other 
> than mailing yourself?

MAIL *

This gives you that mailbox selection prompt.

  ..Harrison Page (harrison@adobe.com, harrison@darkside.com)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle BBS wanted
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 08:39:29 PDT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

caxrudt@pkinbg.UUCP (Hr. Rudolf,EXTERN, ) writes:

> Hi,
> can anyone please tell me where to get the Waffle BBS program from?
> I can only access a mailserver and not ftp-hosts.
> I want use it for a mailbox in Dresden/Germany.
> Thanks in advance,
> Thomas

Send a message to listserv@vm1.nodak.edu with the following line, and
nothing else:

/PDGET MAIL PD1:<MSDOS.WAFFLE>WAF164.ZIP UUENCODE

That should do it.



[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor -- mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US -- cerritos.edu!batpad!mike
[] Long Beach, California
[] TNG Quote: "You were travelling in close formation at over 80,000 kph, only
[] 10 meters from Cadet Albert, and you didn't even know his orientation?!?"
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle and "pretty ANSI" screens
From: cybapunk@hovel.welly.gen.nz (Phil Ross)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 18:43:46 GMT
Distribution: World
Organization: The Hovel Bulletin Board System

sp@questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Pershing) writes:

> kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
> 
> => In article <L9P3iB2w165w@questor.wimsey.bc.> (Steve Pershing) writes:
> =>
> => It isn't ANSI, or its lack - it's the lack of friendly guidance. I've
> => done a lot of work with the 'menu' screens, but they aren't enough.
> 
> The "friendly" guidance should be in the manual(s).  You cannot be all
> things to all people.  No one understands what we have written (or put
> into a menu) the same way as someone else.
> 
> The *interested* reader will search around until he/she finds what they
> want.  As I said before, "if they can't read and ask questions I don't
> want them".

You're too right.  Even the my "Login or HELP:" prompt proves as an
intelligence test for some...

--
cybapunk@hovel.welly.gen.nz    X Phil Ross
cybapunk@tornado.welly.gen.nz  X Sysop of The Hovel BBS
cybapunk@sideways.welly.gen.nz X Author of Lords And Ladies, _THE_ BBS door!
[Monday: In Christian countries, the day after the league game.]
From: pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Zmodem NOT recommended (was Re: f,e-protocol in 1.65)
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:24:11 GMT
Reply-To: pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley)
Organization: Ember---private system

In article <230kiB4w164w@lambada.UUCP> cory@lambada.UUCP
(Cory West) writes:

>                                                     I still think
>that for DOS <--> DOS transfers, a Zmodem style transfer would work well.

I would strongly recommend AGAINST using Zmodem for your UUCP
transport layer.  This is my opinion only, of course.

Zmodem works well for its intended purpose; user-supervised
uploads/downloads.

However, most UUCP communication is unsupervised.  Zmodem does not
require ANY ack's from the receiving system.  Zmodem is quite
capable of thus continuing to dump data for hours into a system
that has hung, died, modem unplugged from computer, etc.

Three window, 64-byte packet UUCP-g does far too many ack's at 9600
baud, but going to no acks at all is not a great solution.

Even for local calls, a hung recipient under Zmodem could tie up
the sending modem.  And any replacement for UUCP-g that you propose
has to be acceptable to those who do long-distance transfers!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Designing a protocol that works and recovers from errors is much
more difficult than it looks.  UUCP-g works; the problem is the
compiled-in limits of three windows and 64 bytes.  The solution is
not to throw out a system that has worked for many thousands of
sites for many years and replace it with something radically
different, but to use larger parameters.  Somebody with source to
Waffle should just change these values in uucico.

A "bigger" uucico would also have a big advantage over a Zmodem
replacement:  The new UUCP-g protocol would be compatible with all
the existing uucico systems, since window and packet sizes are
negotiated between the two systems at start up.

- Paul Colley
University:  colley@qucis.queensu.ca
Home:        pacolley@ember.uucp   watmath!ember!pacolley  +1 613 545 3807
"Quantum Mechanics:  The dreams stuff is made of"    - Ken Burnside
From: system@hale.cts.com (System Administration)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: MAIL FOLDERS under 1.65b7
Summary: Lemme In!  I couldn't find an answer in the docs.
Keywords: WAFFLE MAIL FOLDER 1.65 BETA
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:40:58 GMT
Organization: Hale Telecommunications San Diego CA


 
Here's one for your smart types.
 
How do you get to the mail submenu when you have no mail waiting, other 
than mailing yourself?
 
I didn't fine anything about this in the docs.


             -=-  System Administrator  system@hale.cts.com  -=-
                      Hale Telecommunications, San Diego
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Faxmodems and Waffle
From: fenner@jazz.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:57:47 EDT
Organization: Penn State University Mechanical Engineering
Keywords: FAX Waffle

In article <4H86iB2w164w@beltrix.guild.org> peters@beltrix.guild.org (Peter Sleggs) writes:
|Mixing a fax card with a
|modem is bad news for most of the cards out there... the handoff of the
|call is the problem how do I kill waffle, get it out of memory load the
|fax s/w and get the process done in time to not drop the fax call.

I dunno, it works great for me and my ZyXEL U-1496E.  I modified Waffle so
when it gets "CONNECT FAX", it exits to run.bat with errorlevel 42, which
tells run.bat to run "rcvfax".  Works like a charm.

|There was very little interest when I asked about a fax gateway for
|waffle, late last year. Is there more now ?

Good question.  I've been trying to figure out logistics of FAX sending
via E-Mail.  My biggest hangup is where to put cover sheet information,
and should I allow people to upload TIFF's to go in the image?

  Bill
--
Bill Fenner	fenner@jazz.psu.edu	..psuvax1!hogbbs!wcfpc!wcf
		wcf@hogbbs.scol.pa.us   (+1 814 238-9633 v.32bis)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: UUCICO Problems With Gorgeous Screens.
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 11:54:38 PDT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad
Keywords: uucico,dos,waffle,problem

frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton) writes:

> Hi everyone.
> 
> I decided to try and make Waffle look a little better and design some 
> ANSI screens for the login sequence (as the BBS wimps like these things).
> 
> I made an attractive screen (took me two hours) and replaced the 'entry' 
> file with it.  Now, when a caller connects they see the attractive screen 
> and are then asked for their login information.  This works fine.

Maybe you could use your ANSI screen as the welcome file, instead of
the entry file.  The users would see it only after they had
successfully logged in.  Your uucp accounts would never see it because
they shell out to uucico instead of the bbs.




[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor -- mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US -- cerritos.edu!batpad!mike
[] Long Beach, California
[] TNG Quote: "You were travelling in close formation at over 80,000 kph, only
[] 10 meters from Cadet Albert, and you didn't even know his orientation?!?"
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle & result codes
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:14:52 GMT
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service

system@micromed.net.netcom.com (Duane Davis) writes:

> Another one that would be nice is "NO DIALTONE".

There's a trick to look forward to in 1.65...

uu.drops     : ERROR NO_ BUSY

UUCICO will fail when it encounters these strings.  They're used
in a sliding match.
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: mail to non-waffle users under xenix
From: tim@qed.cts.com (Tim Capps)
Date: 6 Apr 92 07:20:34 GMT
Organization: The QED BBS, Lakewood CA

Does anyone have any idea how I can get Waffle to allow users to send mail
to people who just have shell accounts (root comes to mind, as an example).

When I try it, waffle seems to check its own user list, and if the user
isn't found, it complains and won't send it.

What I'm looking for is a way to tell it: don't check, just pass messages
off to xenix and let it bounce them if necessary.

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QED Software  | The QED BBS (310)420-9327    |  Give The QED BBS a call!
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From: scott@ryptyde.cts.com (Scott McClure)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: mail to non-waffle users under xenix
Date: 11 Apr 92 22:51:48 GMT
Organization: Ryptyde TimeSharing, San Diego, CA

root@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick) writes:

>>Does anyone have any idea how I can get Waffle to allow users to send mail
>>to people who just have shell accounts (root comes to mind, as an example).
>>
>I've seen people diable the mail system of waffle (*nix) and then run elm as
>an external. By doing this, all mail bypasses the restrictions imposed by
>waffle itself. Of course, it takes some twiddling to accomplish...

But then you have the problem of having to find another editor besides vi
to work with elm.  You can't use vi, because they can read-in your waffle
password file, as well as /etc/passwd.
Not a good thing.

Scott

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From: juan@noyles.pha.pa.us (Juan J. E. T. Noyles)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
Subject: Waffle 1.65
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 00:45:27 GMT
Organization: Noyles Computer Works

Has it made its appearance yet?
---
Racists think the world is flat.  [Ralph Alves, 1992]	Juan@Noyles.pha.pa.us
Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle
From: grant@bluemoon.rn.com (Grant DeLorean)
Subject: Re: 1.65 is still BETA.
Organization: Blue Moon BBS (614/868-9984 = T2500 | 998[02] = HST DS)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 15:27:19 GMT

peters@beltrix.guild.org (Peter Sleggs) writes:

>bigbrd!ersys!davem@cs.alberta.ca (Dave McCrady) writes:

>> ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:
>> 
>> > dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
>> > 
>> > > anything.  What's the new proposed release date for 1.65, Tom?
>> > 
>> > hallowe'en, 1991.
>> 
>>   He said Hallowe'en.  I'm not so sure he said 1991.... :)

>Oh he said 1991, he just counts different from the rest of us :)

 That is Hollowe'en 1991, like SuperBowl 28 or "Wrestlemania 10". All
we have to do is figure out when the 1991st Hollowe'en will be... :-}
-- 
\   Grant DeLorean    - IHMSA Life Member -   (grant@bluemoon.rn.com)   /

               "Ubi non accusator, ibi non judex."

Newsgroups: alt.bbs.waffle