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From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: ANOTHER ELECTION (Rec.humor.Irish-politicians)
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:24:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: rdg.1992Nov10.112443.4106
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

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In article <1992Nov9.132058.2272@maths.tcd.ie>, jaymin@maths.tcd.ie (Jo Jaquinta) writes:

|>	Sadly President Robinson is constrained by the law is what she can do.
|>Basically: "she can't do anything political". So telling the Irish politicians
|>just what they are would be right out. Personally I think she should return
|>from New Zealand in force and rally the nation in rebellion. I'd stand by
|>her has High King. She's got more sense that the rest of them combined.

Yes, Mary Robinson is head and shoulders above anything in Leinster House.
God we have an awful choice in this election.

Albert has got rid of his temporary little arrangement.  I can't see the
electorate giving Fianna Fail an overall majority.  The prospects are
unthinkable.  The strokes and underhand deeds would increase tenfold without
somebody to keep an eye on them.

Fine Gael have nothing to offer except more credible people implementing
the same policies.  The only way they can get into government is by a
FG, Labour and PD coalition.

I can see Fianna Fail staying much the same.  Fine Gael will be lucky to
hold 55 seats and will probably end up closer to 50.  Labour should benefit
and increase seats and votes.  The Workers Party are showing up 3% above the
Democratic Left but I presume most people don't realise that most of the
TDs are in DL.  There should be an increase there despite the Moscow letter.

There should also be a few independents elected. Surely Cavan-Monaghan will
elect a roads candidate.  Their roads are the worst in Ireland and have
been allowed to get worse.  Traditionally they vote along Civil War lines
amd elect 3 FF and 2 FG but it should be different this time.  Having seen
what Tony Gregory and Tom Foxe have got as indepents more are likely
to follow.  This does make a mockery out of government.

       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

  On being a football fan: "I am aware of the downside to this wonderful 
  facility that men have: they become repressed, they fail in their 
  relationships with women,their conversation is trivial and boorish, they 
  find themselves unable to express their emotional needs, they cannot relate
  to their children, and die lonely and miserable. But you know, what the hell?"
								   Nick Hornby
From: esler@apollo.hp.com (Kevin Esler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Paul Brady's US itinerary info sought
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:51:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: kanangra.ESLER.92Nov6115137
Reply-To: esler@apollo.hp.com
Distribution: soc
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

Does anybody know the dates and locations of Paul Brady's upcoming USA
tour ?  I know he'll be in Boston's Nighstage next Thursday.
Unfortunately, I can't get to that show, and am hoping he's playing
somewhere else nearby, at about the same time.
--
--  
Kevin Esler //hewlett-packard/cso/nsg/std/clo/mll (MA Language Lab)
esler@apollo.hp.com   (508) 436-5979
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: rbv@cypress.com
Subject: Learning languages
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:00:20 GMT

soren@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Barratt Moy) says:

	I have beeen very interested in Celtic History for a long time and
	recently I decided to start trying to read things in the original
	languages.  So what my question is I guess it what languages do you
	advise and what books do you advise to help me learn them.

The first part is easy: it depends on your interest.  There are six
Celtic languages that are fairly well documented: Welsh, Breton,Cornish, Irish, Manx and Scots Gaelic.  If you want to read "Y Mabinogion"
then you will probably want to learn Welsh.  If you're
looking toward "Jowan Chy an Hor" then Cornish is your choice.

The six are NOT mutually intelligible.  You might be able to learn the three
Brythonic languages (Welsh, Breton and Cornish) in parallel, as they have much
in common, and similarly the three Gaelic languages.  It might, however, leave
you with a confused sense of which language is which, which may hinder you if
you want to write, or learn the spoken languages.

-- Roger
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: pmurphy@nrao.edu (Pat Murphy)
Subject: glengesh (picture)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:53:15 GMT

For anyone who cares, I just posted an 18-part .gif file (computer
image) in the alt.binaries.pictures.misc newsgroup.  It's a shot of
Glengesh pass in Co. Donegal, Ireland.

				- Pat
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From: ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Renewing US visa in Dublin
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:35:26 GMT
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

I imagine that visiting a US Diplomatic mission abroad is worse than 
visiting the local fundraising establishment of the ruling Democratic-Republican
party (namely the Indiana Licence Branch) after buying a car (immeasurably
worse than visiting a dentist).  Unfotunately, I have to renew my F-1 visa
this year when I am home for the holliers, but unfortunately I arrive in
Dublin on Dec 17, and depart from there on New Year's Day.  Is there the
slightest possibility of actually getting my visa renewed, or will I just
have to hope that Immigration officers in Chicago pay as much attention
as they usually do to the visa (once they see a valid ID94 or whatever
it's called)?

I was hoping to renew it in Canada next week, since I'll be in London, ONt
for a conference, but the nearest consualte is Toronto, and the hoops
through which I'd have to jump are impractical.  


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
+ 'There was a  master come unto the earth, + Ulick Stafford, PP-ASEL       +
+    born in the holy land of Indiana,      + Dept of Chemical Engineering, +
+ in the mystical hills east of Fort Wayne'.+ Notre Dame, IN 46556          +
+      B'fhearr liom bheith ag eitilt.      +    ulick@bach.helios.nd.edu   +
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Census info
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:50:02 GMT


In article <7625.9211101051@thor.cf.ac.uk>, spxsjm@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr S J Morris 92) writes...
> 
>What's really interesting is the distribution of Welsh speakers. Welsh
>is making a transition from being a largely rural, 'working-class'
>language to being a largely urban (or should I say 'suburban')
>middle-and-upper class language.
> 
This has also happened with Gaelic. It is spoken by as many people in
the cities as in the rural areas, and as many people in the lowlands
as the highlands. Proportionately, however, far more people speak it
in the Highlands (about 16% there compared to about 1.5% overall for Scotland)

It is becoming quite trendy, particularly amongst young people, to learn
Gaelic.

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  Views here are my own, and are not necessarily those of Digital
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Subject: Re: Election 92!
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:04:42 GMT

In article <1ddhlcINN127@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC) writes:
>In article <92310.200303RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>, RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com (Aengus Lawlor) writes:
>
>> 
>> In possibly related news (and I'd appreciate it if anyone who can confirm
>> or deny it would post ASAP), Ray MacSharry resigned as European Commissioner
>> for Agriculture today. Supposedly he resigned to protest Delors meddling
>> in his GATT negotiations with the US, but there is speculation that he will
>> run in the election, and possibly challenge Albert Reynolds for the leadership
>> of Fianna Fail. (Well, I'm speculating about it anyway!)
>
>According to the BBC World Service this morning Ray McSharry did indeed
>resign, on the grounds that his position had been undermined by Delors.
>I only caught the headlines, so I didn't hear any more details.

Sorry to contradict everyone but listen.  I heard on the radio BBC world
service that McSharry resigned as trade negotiator.  I don't know if that
means he resigned as Agriculture commissioner too.  Isn't his term up in
January, anyway?  Just in time to kick Albear the egit out in case FF
get drubbed  (it'd nearly be worth putting up with a disasterous FG-PD-
Pinko coalition just for that).  Bring back CJ.


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
+ 'There was a  master come unto the earth, + Ulick Stafford, PP-ASEL       +
+    born in the holy land of Indiana,      + Dept of Chemical Engineering, +
+ in the mystical hills east of Fort Wayne'.+ Notre Dame, IN 46556          +
+      B'fhearr liom bheith ag eitilt.      +    ulick@bach.helios.nd.edu   +
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Subject: Re: House of Pain
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:16:48 GMT

	HOP's from LA? Okay, so my brother screwed up. He has been known to do
this on occasion. Lots of occasions. (As for an interest in rap being stupid,
I have no especial objection to rap--I just think it sounds like talking,
rather than music. But, being a classical musician, my training has
probably made me rather one-sided.)
				Jess
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: jimbo@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (shingler james)
Subject: Census  info
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:15:44 GMT

I  saw  that  there  had  been  mention  of  census statistic  leaks  and  
wondered  if  anyone  had  any  figures  for  the  number  of  those  who
responded  in  Welsh? Is  the  trend  of  declining  numbers  continuing,
levelling  off  or  what? Any  details  would  be  appreciated ( please )      
include  source  if  possible  for  non-census  material.)
Thanks  for  any  help.
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Census Statistics (apparently leaked)
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:03:54 GMT
	<1992Nov3.212855.3051@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
	<1992Nov4.150412.28319@news.nd.edu>
	<1992Nov5.194805.1885@infodev.cam.ac.uk> <jyc.721095419@Leland>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <jyc.721095419@Leland> jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) writes:

      a)  Would the British government allow such a plebiscite and abide
	  by its results?

      b)  Would Protestant resistance to such a plebiscite be violent?

      c)  Would civil war result if the plebiscite was passed and abided
	  by?

I think that (a) and (b) would both be likely; (c) seems pretty unlikely - a
terrorist campaign would be more likely, and even then, once the Loyalists
knew that Britain wasn't on their side, I would guess that they'd just
collapse and end their struggle.  You could expect some pretty fiery politics
on the Irish constitution though :-)  I really can't see Belfast going the
way of Sarajevo.  (But then, nobody really expected Sarajevo to go the way of
Sarajevo...)
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

		
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: Celtic music/radio/D.C.?
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:13:46 GMT

Hi,
	I wonder where and when they play celtic music on the radio in the 
D.C. area. I've come across it by accident a few times and can't relocate 
it.  Any ideas?

skip
rlwilliams@gallua.bitnet
From: spxsjm@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr S J Morris 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Census info
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:51:46 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <BxFA29.KJB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jimbo@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (shingler james) writes:
|I  saw  that  there  had  been  mention  of  census statistic  leaks  and  
|wondered  if  anyone  had  any  figures  for  the  number  of  those  who
|responded  in  Welsh? Is  the  trend  of  declining  numbers  continuing,
|levelling  off  or  what? Any  details  would  be  appreciated ( please )      
|include  source  if  possible  for  non-census  material.)
|Thanks  for  any  help.

I can't remember the figures offhand, but here are the trends:

Wales as a whole: Welsh decreasing amongst older people (immigration),
                  but increasing amongst the young (Welsh schools).

Rural Wales:      Sharp decline in percentage of Welsh speakers due
                  to influx of English immigrants. Total number of
                  Welsh speakers increasing slowly, due to more
                  widespread Welsh schools and some immigrants (but 
                  not enough :-)) learning the language.

Urban Wales:      Rapid increase in percentage and numbers of Welsh 
                  speakers. Due to Welsh schools again (in Deeside in
                  North Wales, for example, the number of Welsh speakers
                  aged under 16 increased by 400%), adults learning
                  the language, and immigration by rural Welsh speakers
                  into the cities.

The actual proportion of Welsh speakers in Wales as a whole is about
18%-19%, varying from 60-70% in Gwynedd to about 20% in Wrexham (largest
town in North Wales) and about 8% here in Cardiff.

What's really interesting is the distribution of Welsh speakers. Welsh
is making a transition from being a largely rural, 'working-class'
language to being a largely urban (or should I say 'suburban')
middle-and-upper class language.

Steve Morris,
Department of Physics, University of Wales College of Cardiff.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: Census Statistics (apparently leaked)
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date:  7 Nov 92 00:16:59 GMT


   I have the impression people haven't really grappled with the basic
issue the statistics on demographic trends present.  I suggest (and I
really, honestly, truly am just trying to help the discussion rather
than argue for one side or another) that a scenario approach might
clarify things.  So:

   It is fifteen or twenty years from now.  The six provinces have a
Catholic majority.  Catholics are agitating for a plebiscite to be held
to determine whether all of Ireland will be unified under the Dublin
government.  Polls show that the proposition is likely to get a majority
of votes cast.

   a)  Would the British government allow such a plebiscite and abide
       by its results?

   b)  Would Protestant resistance to such a plebiscite be violent?

   c)  Would civil war result if the plebiscite was passed and abided
       by?

   I think I need hardly explain that these questions are not entirely
hypothetical.   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: jk@spock.retix.com (John Keegan)
Subject: Re: Is Colm Meaney Irish?
Organization: Retix, Santa Monica CA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:07:31 GMT

He definetly is Irish and as far as I know was born in Dublin.
He is currently living in Los Angeles, working on his next film
"The Snapper" - another Roddy Doyle production, as well as continuing
his Star Trek role. 

	John Keegan.

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From: mike@srssun.lbl.gov (Mike Collier)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,rec.music.folk,rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Irish activities, Los Angeles area
Followup-To: soc.culture.celtic
Date: 10 Nov 1992 00:23:54 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.19


	I have a friend (without usenet access) who will be in the Los Angeles
area next week.  She's interviewing for jobs in Burbank and the San Fernando
Valley.  She's interested in Irish activities, esp dancing and music.  For the
interviews she'll only be there next Monday, not enough time to do anything,
but for consideration of living in that area the existence of Irish cultural
activities might make a big difference in her decision.  So she would like to 
get general information, such as regularly scheduled ceilis, ceili or set dance
classes, traditional music venues, concerts as well as sessions.  Any and all
info would be most welcome.

	You can email responses to me:  jmcollier@lbl.gov.  I'll forward them.

	Go raibh mi/le maith agaibh.

						Michael Collier
						jmcollier@lbl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: esharp@sage.cc.purdue.edu (The Baker)
Subject: Chieftans tour info
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: all
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:17:40 GMT

   I just recieved a flyer for the Chieftan's concert in Indianapolis this
December, but there is a problem. The concert is on Monday the 14'th, but
I have a final exam that morning and another Tuesday morning, so I was
wondering if they will be nearby (Chicago, etc...) at a better time for me.
Any responses welcomed!
Esharp@sage.cc.purdue.edu
From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Subject: oops!
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:27:33 GMT

	A brief explanation: The name Rosaleen Dhu appears in the "from" line
of the header. That is not my real name. My real name is Jessica, Jess to
my friends. I use a handle on all the other newsgroups I talk to(except
rec.org.sca) because most of them are populated with people who are, like
myself, university students. I discovered last year, much to my chagrin,
that some university students have a really warped sense of humour and will
sometimes pick people at random to inflict this "humour" on. The people I
am referring to were able, because they knew my real name, to look me up in
the phone book and send me nasty notes via U.S. Snail. So now I do not use
my real name on predominantly university-populated newsgroups. But, to
judge from the posts I have read, you guys seem like well-mannered people
who would not do such a thing (not to mention that most of you would have
to do it through air mail :))
					Jessica Raine
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Subject: Hello.
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:19:20 GMT

	Hi. I'm a freshman at Brandeis University, in Waltham, MA (for those
of you not familiar with Small Ugly New England Towns, Waltham is about
a twenty-minute drive from Boston). I've been a Celtophile for about eight
years (yes, I'm a role-player and a fantasy freak and all that, but I'm also
interested in straight history and culture) and am also a music major. With
that in mind, I've got two questions.
	1. It is fairly common at my school to take a year abroad, usually
junior (third) year. (don't know how U.K. school systems differ from ours)
I would very much like to study somewhere in the U.K. I'm a music major, so
I would need to study somewhere that has a good music department, 
specifically in the areas of theory and composition, since that's what I'd
have to take if I were here. Any suggestions?
	2. Is there a FAQ for this newsgroup? A lot of the terms and references
I've been reading are unfamiliar to me, and I'm afraid to make an idiot of
myself by asking questions. 
	These questions should probably be e-mailed to me, since they are
unlikely to be of interest to anyone else on the newsgroup. (Address follows)
Thanks.

					Jessica Raine
st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
"Just because some of us can read and write and do a little math, doesn't
mean we deserve to conquer the Universe."--Kurt Vonnegut
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Is Colm Meaney Irish?
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:01:20 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

Colm Meaney plays Transporter Chief O'Brien on STAR TREK:
THE NEW GENERATION.  He was also the father in THE COMMITMENTS
and the bad ward boss in FAR AND AWAY.  In all of these roles,
he's supposed to be Irish.

As far as I know, Meaney is Irish in real life.  He certainly
sounds Irish.  And that's what a friend believes.  So much so
that he has a bet riding on it.  But he needs to prove it.

Another friend suggested that because Alan Parker wanted
to make THE COMMITMENTS in Dublin with an all-Irish cast,
he would hardly have chosen a foreigner who could do a good
Irish accent over an Irishman for the role.  That's 
plausible, but hardly conclusive proof.

Does anyone know of any proof (newspaper articles, etc.)
that Meaney is Irish?
________________
George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: arpowell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Aimee Powell)
Subject: Re: Sinead follow-up
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 00:46:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.191406.4656@news.nd.edu> ulick@schubert.helios.nd.ed
 (Ulick Stafford) writes:
>Any truth to the story that she is giving up her career to raise a famil

>in Ireland, or is it another silly publicity stunt???
>
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++ 
>+ 'There was a  master come unto the earth, + Ulick Stafford, PP-ASEL   
   +
>+    born in the holy land of Indiana,      + Dept of Chemical Engineeri
g, +
>+ in the mystical hills east of Fort Wayne'.+ Notre Dame, IN 46556      
   +
>+      B'fhearr liom bheith ag eitilt.      +    ulick@bach.helios.nd.ed
   +
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++



I heard on MTV (so it *must* be true) that her publicist hastened to say
that she meant a hiatus, rather than a permanent departure, and would be
studying opera to strengthen her voice.

Aimee