From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: Faruk the Bosnian [Faruk Bosnaci]
Summary: a casual observer 
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:24:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.221744.13833@bmerh85.bnr.ca> faruk@bcars6f5.BNR.CA (Faruk
od Bosne) wrote:

[F] First of all I am not discriminating people by religion or nationality. 
[F] Second I didn't wish "Merry Christmas" to anybody. What you see in a 
[F] subject header is Re to someone else. So my advise to you is to read the 
[F] article before jumping to conclusion.

As I re-read the subject of your posting, although a follow-up...

Subject: Re: Merry Christmas, Argic

...I just can't get any other meaning out of it! If you didn't want people, not
only myself but others, to have reached another conclusion, you should have
modified the Subject: line!

[F] A.

[DD] "However, upon the breaking out of the World War the massacres recommenced
[DD] with such violence that, of the two and a half million Armenians that 
[DD] lived in Turkey before 1914, I believe not even one half million remain, 
[DD] including the three to four hundred thousand who dwelt in Constantinople 
[DD] and Smyrna, and who, by means of I know not what miracle, escaped the 
[DD] deportation and lived." [1]
[DD]
[DD]         -- Inspector General of the Turkish Forces in Armenia, Nogalas Bey
[DD]
[DD]				 - - - reference - - -
[DD]
[DD] [1] _Four Years Beneath the Crescent_ Rafael De Nogalas, Inspector General
[DD] of Turkish Forces in Armenia and Military Governor of Egyptian Sinai 
[DD] During the War, Translated from the Spanish by Muna Lee, Charles 
[DD] Scribner's Sons, New York, London, 1926, page 17

[F] B.

[DD] David Davidian <dbd@urartu.sdpa.org>|"The Regular Army of the Ottomans was 
[DD] SDPA Center for Regional Studies    | entirely innocent of the Armenian 
[DD] P.O. Box 382761                     | massacres." - Inspector General of 
[DD] Cambridge, MA 02238                 | the Turkish forces in Armenia, WWI 

[F] Aren't your own two quotes A. and B. conflicting? 

No, not at all, they are complimentary! The first quote states that as soon as
World War One began the Turks embarked on an immediate process of exterminating
the Armenians. The second quote simply re-states there were massacres and 
deportations of Armenians -- but since De Nogales was a German-paid mercenary
in the service of the Turko-German allience during WWI, he says it was not his
guys who were guilty. The point is that the Turks engaged in genocide against
the Armenians, as stated by the Inspector-General of Turkish forces himself! 

[F] Serdar most of the time quotes relevant sources without introducing his
[F] personality. 

Not true. His quotes are either incomplete, taken from Turkish revisionist
sources, or are strip-quotes spanning several paragraphs or even pages, giving
a totally different meaning than was intended by the author. The quotes center
on the Caucasus circa 1919 & 1920, whereas the genocide of Turkish Armenians
commenced 4 to 5 years earlier and some 500 miles to the east! The attempt
is to fool the casual observer, like you! 

For example:

From dbd Sun Nov  8 18:44:02 EST 1992
Article: 4784 of soc.culture.turkish
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history