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From: root@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (System PRIVILEGED Account)
Subject: Re: Dream Theater Sounds Like RUSH -- NOT!
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 03:15:13 GMT

jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

>In article <1992Sep03.134108.10819@bnr.ca> herrage@bnr.ca writes:
>>I completely disagree with whoever thought that Dream Theater sounded a lot
>>like RUSH.  Someone I work with picked up their "Images and Words" CD and
>>loaned it to me.  I've listened to the whole thing at least twice and could
>>not find anything musically, technically, lyrically, or instrumentally com-
>>mon between them and RUSH.

>>Personally, Dream Theater is too choppy with their phrasing.  There's not
>>any smooth flowing.  I also don't care that much for drummers/percussion-
>>ists who try to cram too much where it doesn't belong (musically).  This
>>guy is technically capable but doesn't have the qualities of a musician
>>(at least in the terms I've mentioned above).  I also don't like bands
>>that make songs with time signature changes just for the sake of having
>>them.  There are a lot of these that just don't fit (musically) where they
>>occurred. 




>Gregg


>-- 
>Gregg Jaeger    (jaeger@buphy.bu.edu)     | Tristero?   ______/|/|  Treestero?
>Dept(s). of Physics (and Philosophy)      ------------    (_) \|\|  Trystero?
>Boston University, 590 Commonwealth Ave.,Boston MA 02215 --------------------- 

ok...I bought Images and Words, and loved it....

bearing in mind that rush is not my only musical preference, I thought
that it sounded like all the best bits of the following:
	Yes
	Marillion (esp the keyboards)
	Queensryche (the O: MC days)
	and a bit of Metallica

as I am fan of all the above DT really appealed to me...I am not so
narrow minded about music to think that everyting must sound like rush
(THIS IS NOT A FLAME ON THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE AIRED THEIR VIEWS IT IS JUST
AN OPINION) rant mode off

so, i think DT are cool, but rush are probably more adept at the
compositional side, but i reckon that Mike Portnoy sounds like Mr Peart
(as does Scott Rockenfield and Mark Zonder)

later dudes

Adam
University of Western Australia
From: ericm@eebbs.isis.org (Eric Mathurin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: non-elevation
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 21:59:40 EST
Organization: Electronic Encounters BBS

jclarke@bnr.ca (John Clarke) writes:

> Are you kidding?  It's a joke, son.  He's having fun.  Every lyric in 
> a Rush song does not need a deep meaning.  There's no underlying conspiracy

Geddy sings ELEVATE about three times, then an EVELATE, and he ALSO
sings an 'ESCAVATE' (I believe).

He's doing it on purpose, because, if you think about it, he is simply
'deviating' from the norm.   Or was that so obvious some people here
forgot to mention it?  Or were you ALL deviating from the norm?  [grin]

So, yeah, you're right: He's having fun!  Deviating from the lyrics!  

Take care,
Eric

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From: gtas1@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Terrance Stedman)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: anybody know what this means?
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:04:21 GMT
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug26.224037.16973@javelin.sim.es.com> gfowler@javelin.sim.es.com (Gary Fowler) writes:
>RZAL90@email.sps.mot.com (Eric Johnson) writes:
>
>>On several albums, the liner notes include something like:
>
>>Brought to you by the letter "M"  (Power Windows)
>>                             "D"  (Presto)
>>                             "B"  (Roll The Bones)

	Yup, the Sesame Street reference is right on.  If the episode of SS
was brought to you by the letter T and the number 7 say, then that number
and letter was stressed during the whole show.  Similarly,

Power Windows has lots of "M's" in the song titles...

	The Big Money
	Manhattan Project
	Marathon
	Middletown Dreams
	Mystic Rhythms

Also, there are lot's of "B's" in Roll The Bones...

	Bravado
	Roll The Bones
	The Big Wheel
	You Bet Your Life


Not a lot of "D's" in Presto's song titles I must say...  Is that the right
letter in the liner notes?
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 I ) I I <~ I_I   Terry Stedman
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From: RZAL90@email.sps.mot.com (Eric Johnson)
Subject: anybody know what this means?
Originator: root@mogate.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc, SPS
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:18:11 GMT

On several albums, the liner notes include something like:

Brought to you by the letter "M"  (Power Windows)
                             "D"  (Presto)
                             "B"  (Roll The Bones)

I'm just curious if anyone has ever heard if these mean anything, or 
just an inside joke of some kind or?

Also, "Now it's dark."  (RTB also)

Later,

Eric Johnson, Motorola SPS, Tempe, AZ
RZAL90@email.sps.mot.com
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From: mcr1@quads.uchicago.edu (mark conley roller)
Subject: Re: Red Sector A and Distant Early Warning
Reply-To: mcr1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:22:59 GMT

What kind of comments are you interested in? Personally, unlike Rush
themselves, who really didn't like this album, I think there is
some great stuff on this, specially the guitar work. The first three
songs on P/g are some of my favorites as well as Wheels. Funny, I
was just gonna ask about this album... I think there is a lot of feeling
in the lyrics and the way Ged sings them... Afterimage, RS-A, Enemy within,
etc.. Also, I think this has been mentioned before, but Alex wanted more
'guitars' in this one after Signals album, so songs like Afterimage, 
Wheels, Kid Gloves, and definately Red Sector A have excellent guitar
riffs, etc..
Just my OP

and $.03

Chris

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From: sh@cypress.com (Steve Haigh/VDSP)
Subject: HELP with 2112 lyrics
Originator: sh@kahuna
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor/San Jose, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:03:35 GMT

Dudes, I can't ftp. Would someone pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease mail me 2112 lyrics.
I have named my companies new product development the 2112 chip because
of simillarities between the corporate structure around here and the
Temples of Syrinx.

I need to explain the designation to my department.

Thanks in advance, Steve. sh@cypress.com
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Dream Theater Sounds Like RUSH -- NOT!
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:11:26 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Sep4.031513.28044@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> root@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (System PRIVILEGED Account) writes:
>jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

>>In article <1992Sep03.134108.10819@bnr.ca> herrage@bnr.ca writes:
>>>I completely disagree with whoever thought that Dream Theater sounded a lot
>>>like RUSH...

>>>Personally, Dream Theater is too choppy with their phrasing.  There's not
>>>any smooth flowing.  I also don't care that much for drummers/percussion-
>>>ists who try to cram too much where it doesn't belong (musically).  This
>>>guy is technically capable but doesn't have the qualities of a musician

>ok...I bought Images and Words, and loved it....

>bearing in mind that rush is not my only musical preference, I thought
>that it sounded like all the best bits of the following:
>	Yes,	Marillion (esp the keyboards)
>	Queensryche (the O: MC days), and a bit of Metallica

>as I am fan of all the above DT really appealed to me.

>so, i think DT are cool, but rush are probably more adept at the
>compositional side, but i reckon that Mike Portnoy sounds like Mr Peart
>(as does Scott Rockenfield and Mark Zonder)

I agree with the above list of `influences' and would also venture
to suggest that they've nabbed a bit of Kansas and Styx as well. If
you like these bands I'd recommend the album, if you don't mind
metal-style vocals. On the other hand, I think DT is nowhere near
the same level as Yes either...



Gregg


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Gregg Jaeger    (jaeger@buphy.bu.edu)     | Tristero?   ______/|/|  Treestero?
Dept(s). of Physics (and Philosophy)      ------------    (_) \|\|  Trystero?
Boston University, 590 Commonwealth Ave.,Boston MA 02215 ---------------------
From: jclarke@bnr.ca (John Clarke)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: non-elevation
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:41:20 GMT
Reply-To: jclarke@bnr.ca (John Clarke)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <6HF4PB3w165w@eebbs.isis.org>, ericm@eebbs.isis.org (Eric Mathurin) writes:
|> Geddy sings ELEVATE about three times, then an EVELATE, and he ALSO
|> sings an 'ESCAVATE' (I believe).
|> 
|> He's doing it on purpose, because, if you think about it, he is simply
|> 'deviating' from the norm.   Or was that so obvious some people here
|> forgot to mention it?  Or were you ALL deviating from the norm?  [grin]
|> 
|> So, yeah, you're right: He's having fun!  Deviating from the lyrics!  
|> 
|> Take care,
|> Eric

He is actually singing "ESCALATE" not "ESCAVATE".  I don't have to explain
why, do I?

John
From: ericm@eebbs.isis.org (Eric Mathurin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush & Ayn Rand - HELP PLEASE
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 09:53:52 EST
Organization: Electronic Encounters BBS

> The obvious ones are Anthem and 2112. Anthem the song is more general, but
> 2112 is a musical adaptation of Ayn Rand's book _Anthem_. It's a short book,
> any avid Rush fan should read it.

If I recall correctly (and this may be in the FAQ), Neil says that Ayn Rand
did NOT influence 2112.  After writing the song, he read the book and noticed
many similarities and decided to mention her name/quote (which ever).

Take care,
Eric

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Subject: Re: Sound Production of Early Albums?
From: dan@rat.csc.calpoly.edu (Dan Delany)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 21:05:46 GMT
Organization: Shinola Industries: We know the difference.

According to my calculations, a-feygin@uiuc.edu typed...
> ja51359@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (axelrod) writes:
> } feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin) writes:
> } >ja51359@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (axelrod) writes:
> } >} feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin) writes:
> } >} >Just bought GUP on CD yesterday and was NOT impressed with the
> } >} >sound quality.
> } >} Alex, you suck.  Your ears are made of horse droppings.
> } >Just for that you cant borrow it
> } Fine, then I'll steal it next time I come over.
> I'll just steal it back being that you never lock your door

Please take this to email.

-- 
dan@rat.csc.calpoly.edu                                             Dan Delany
   "Nothing takes the taste out of peanut butter quite like unrequited love."
     -- Charlie Brown
From: dan@rat.csc.calpoly.edu (Dan Delany)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Looking for an archive site.....
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:48:39 GMT
Organization: Shinola Industries: We know the difference.

According to my calculations, katz@acsu.buffalo.edu typed...
> 
> Is there an anonymous ftp site where they archive rush .gif's and
> audio's for sun's?????
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Steve Katz

Check the FAQ.

-- 

Dan Delany                                              dan@rat.csc.calpoly.edu
  "If Bob can't figure out his VCR, he'll never be able to figure out women."
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Kid Gloves
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:54:04 CDT

In article <2SEP199215272434@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> inthalw@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Magnus) writes:
>I was wondering what everyone out there thinks about "Kid Gloves" on p/g. I 
>don't believe that I've even seen the song mentioned here in months. Is it 
>crap not worth mentioning or sublime enough to not need any discussion.
>
>I'm just curious. Perhaps later I'll give my opinion of it.

It never really has been a song which merits a lot of discussion, although
there are a lot of things about it which might.  Musically, it doesn't do a
lot, except for Alex, who has a neat guitar riff at the beginning, and a
cool solo in the middle.  It also is the first Rush song where I actually
have heard harmonizing (over one voice at once) in the vocals.  If I am
correct, it was the line "constant push and pull".  Then again, I may just
have been hearing things...

The song is a particularly bitter one, which was written around the time
that there were a lot of arguments in the Rush camp and where there was a
change in producer.  A lot of "Rush is breaking up" rumours were also
flying around at that time.  Still, they got the album off, and things
picked up a little.  It seems to me since that album, the lyrics have
gotten more *optomistic* each time a Rush album comes out.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: sihd_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dan Shimmyo)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush's Greatest Moment & Live/Recorded Moments
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:06:29 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Sep2.203547.24437@afit.af.mil> jholtgra@afit.af.mil (Jeremy C. Holtgrave) writes:

>>>   This has gotten me thinking of a new thread -- are there are other 
>>>moments that sound a lot better in the recorded version, or live version, for
>>>that matter?
>>
>>I think that ``Force Ten'' is very much better as it is played live --
>>there is much more tension because of the subtle shifts of phrasing
>>they give it live (not to mention the great weather-disaster video)...

>Not to keep harping on La Villa Strangiato, but the version on ESL is
>better than the studio version, IMHO.  Alex just wails during his first
>solo part "A Lerxst in Wonderland".  Lots of emotion there.

  I totally agree...Every time I listen to this album there's no part that
sticks out as much as Alex's solo.  It really gives me goosebumps when I hear
it.  And it's not just the guitar but the way the drums get increasingly more
intense up until the final climax where the song changes...The studio version
doesn't compare (IMHO). Sorry.
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From: albertr@crchh780.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Albert Reva)
Subject: Re: SKIP/NEWSGROUP
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 13:34:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.151446.1141@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu>, mjbutler@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu writes:
|> Anyone seen the Hologram disks that came out of Europe?  They are CD singles. 
|> I have one with part of a Geddy Lee interview and I have another CD single (not
|> hologram) with a Neil Peart Interview.  I found a Alex interview but it was on
|> a Picture Disk (realsharp) but I have no turntable and didn't have the bux on
|> me at the time.. I would like to get the entire Hologram set with all of the
|> interviews.  Anyone know where I can get them??
|> 
|>                               .\\ike
|> 
|> Jack, Get back!


That's it, the third part of the interviews is on RECORD only (Square picture disk)....
albertr
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush & Ayn Rand - HELP PLEASE
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:59:54 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Sep1.014645.3247@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu writes:
>Eric Mathurin writes:
>>Kamchatka Charlie writes.

>>>      There is also Madrigal Man (off the A Farewell To Kings album),
>>>which uses very Randian phrasing ("Because he was good...they judged
>>>him insane")...

>>You mean Cinderella Man, which seems based on the character of Cinderella.
>>Or is that too obvious?  Don't forget - Geddy Lee wrote that song.

>     No, not obvious at all.  I never connected the character with Cinderella
>myself.  I'll have to read the fairy tale to understand.
>     Besides, who says only Peart reads in the band.  I would find it hardly
>believable that Geddy and Alex would not have read Rand, with the obvious
>effect they saw in Peart.


Actually, Geddy had read Rand before meeting Neil at his audition. It
may not be coincidental that ``Anthem'' was the first song they wrote
together. 




Gregg


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Dept(s). of Physics (and Philosophy)      ------------    (_) \|\|  Trystero?
Boston University, 590 Commonwealth Ave.,Boston MA 02215 --------------------- 

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From: mmarx@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Marx)
Subject: Re: Rush's Greatest Moment (Grand Finale answer)
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:02:05 GMT

In <1992Aug31.190743.11722@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> eam3@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric A. Meyer) writes:


>In a previous article, mmarx@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Marx) says:

>>In <1992Aug31.154815.5933@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mike Levis) writes:
>>
>>>I love the ``The Grand Finale'' -- especially the last half
>>>where Neil varies his percusion, and Alex has his guitars
>>>rippin'.
>>
>>Hold the phone! What is "The Grand Finale"? I've never heard of it on
>>any commercially available Rush album.

>   Yes, you have.  It's the final movement of 2112.
Right you are. Silly me.

>-- 
>"Unstable condition--a symptom of life       | Eric A. Meyer (eam3@po.CWRU.edu)
> In mental and environmental change          |  Alumnus,  Beta Nu of Theta Chi
> Atmospheric disturbance--the feverish flux  |---------------------------------
> Of human interface and interchange-"  -N.P. |    "What do you think, sirs?"

Is "Vital Signs" just the greatest lyrical Rush song ever or what?

-- 
Matt Marx     mmarx@csli.stanford.edu           
So many newsgroups, so little time...
From: katz@acsu.buffalo.edu (Steven H. Katz)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Looking for an archive site.....
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:39:44 GMT
Organization: UB
Originator: katz@lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu


Is there an anonymous ftp site where they archive rush .gif's and
audio's for sun's?????

Thanks!

Steve Katz
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From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Happy Birthday Alex
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:18:58 GMT

Alex is 39 today.

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From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Re: Rush's Greatest Moment & Live/Recorded Moments
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:33:00 GMT

krm3611@sigma.tamu.edu (Ken McWatters) writes:

>   This has gotten me thinking of a new thread -- are there are other 
>moments that sound a lot better in the recorded version, or live version, for
>that matter?

   Closer to the Heart always sounds better live. And I think all the stuff
from the first two albums sound better on ATWaS. But then I don't think much
of Rutsey as a drummer.

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From: irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Sound Production of Early Albums?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:17:20 GMT

[it's another one of THOSE rush fans...]

Au contraire...the sound quality on Rush albums just keeps getting better.
Moving Pictures was the first ADD album, and Power Windows the first DDD, so
unless you're buying the LP or something the sound gets audibly cleaner on
MP and the dynamics get a lot better on PW.  The improved technology allows
the boyz to express themselves better and more musically, and isn't that
what it's all about?




-- 
    _IanSchmidt(oINet+irsman@iastate.edu,oBITNET+twbv4@isuvax,$C000)
       Apple IIgs: It's not just a computer, its a state of mind
 "I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose free will" - Neil Peart
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From: srf6200@zeus.tamu.edu  
Subject: Re: Rush & Terry Brown
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:12:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.174427.22100@berlioz.nsc.com>, ivan@berlioz.nsc.com (Ivan Wemple) writes...
> 
>If I'm correct, the last Terry Brown - produced Rush album
>was "Signals".  It makes sense to me that Brown simply said,
>"this album sucks", and threw in the towel.
>There hasn't been a good Rush album since.  It's sad, but
>true (as Rush used to be the greatest rock band in the world)...

Oh, please!  They were certainly NOT the greatest.  Good, very innovative, but
mostly behind the times.  I mean, come on, a rap on an album, 10 years AFTER 
rap came up from the underground.

> 
>Geddy, Neil, and Alex are has-beens.  And yes, I've listened
>to their recent frivolous wank and drivel thoroughly.
>It just don't cut it!
> 
>Ivan

Yes, their recent work has been rather lame.  But believe me, their older 
works were simply copies of Led Zeppelin.  Rush simply has not been able to 
keep up in these recent years with more progressive bands.
From: dsvoss@isr.harvard.edu (Steve Voss)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush & Ayn Rand - HELP PLEASE
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:44:58 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

I must say, I have been extremely impressed with the quality of
intellectual discussion going on in this group regarding Ayn Rand
and Rush.  It far exceeds the intellectual content in the other, more
"serious" groups I read.  In particular, I have found Kamchatka Charlie's
writing impressive.  In a recent letter, he argued that Rand, in
"Apollo vs. Dionysius", is Apollonian because she subjugates the 
emotions to the mind, whereas Rush (e.g. Hemispheres) preaches balance.
I agree with this completely, and wanted to add another piece of
evidence.  Although Rand's "Anthem" and "2112" do have many
similarities, consider the differences.  In "Anthem", the man finds
technology; he is man the inventor.  His enemy is described as a bunch
of sheep, cowering in fear from technology, from the power held by the
minds of women and men.  On the other hand, the character in "2112"
discovers a guitar, a musical instrument.  His enemy resides in a
hall filled with computers, used to regulate the behavior of those
not among the Priests of Syrinx.  They seem to fear the power held
by the human spirit, as it could be expressed in music.  I think
the two examples are qualitatively different.  What do you think?

steve
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From: stu5s33@bnr.ca (Robert Nychka)
Subject: Re: Rush & Ayn Rand - HELP PLEASE
Reply-To: stu5s33@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research Ltd
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:48:16 GMT


Could someone post the lyrics to _Anthem_ and _Trees_ on the net?  It is 
hard to understand the signing and the lyrics weren't included with my 
disks.

Also, when did Rush form the company "Anthem"?

Thanx in advance.
Robert Nychka
From: smsst8+@pitt.edu (Steven M Scholnick)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: the radio broadcast...
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:00:27 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


I've decided to joni the bandwagon.  :-)  If anyone who has a tape of the RTB
concert broadcasted on the radio in Europe, I would be willing to trade for
it.  I have quite a few boots for trade.  Just email me.   Thanx.

__________________________________________________________________________
|                             |                                          |
| Steve Scholnick             |  I don't believe in Destiny              |
| steves@vms.cis.pitt.edu     |  or the guiding hand of fate             |
| steves@theory.chem.pitt.edu |  I don't believe in the stars or planets |
|                             |  or angels watching from above           |
|                             |                      - N. Peart          |
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