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From: jahn@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Juhoon Ahn)
Subject: Re: From the poster of "DJ for President"
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:17:23 GMT

jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung) writes:

>	If I vote for YS, I'll be voting for the evil that has been "tamed"
>somewhat.  If I vote for DJ, I'll be voting for the evil that I really,
>really don't trust.

I would not vote for YS someone who jumps around here and there, as we
say "Gan-E Boot-Eot-Da SSeul-Gae-E Boot-Eot-Da."  I believe that DJ
put his effort to lead this country in peace and democracy.  However,
YS used to be anti-government activist.  Now he is, I think, the head
of the current government.  Well, Roh is the president of the country.
But, he is over even though there still is the military force standing
by.  I do *not* say that being officials is *bad*.  What I really want
to say is that I woud *not* work for the government.  I would work 
*FOR* the country *AT* the government.  BTW, who would you trust 
between a person who was almost killed twice by the government, but
still want to work for the country, or a person who is eager to be the
president of the country whether he is on the side of the "government"
he used to be against?  I honestly don't haven enough experience to 
say who is right or wrong.  I am just writing because I care about
Korea.   BTW, if I want something "tamed," I would go for my dog
even though I don't have one right now.  He will listen to me and
obey me.  Would you want a president who will say "YES!" all the 
time or someone who can think?  I hope this election is *REALLY*
held in peace and democracy without any military intervention.
Thank you and have happy holidays.  An-Nyung-Hi Gye-Sip-Si-Yo!





-- 
Juhoon Ahn                 |He is my loving God and my fortress,
jahn@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu |my stronghold and my deliverer,
MB 942 Brandeis Univ       |my shield, in whom I take refuge,
Waltham, MA 02254-9110     |who subdues peoples under me.(Psalm 144:2)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: sswoo@eos.ncsu.edu (SANG SIK WOO)
Subject: Is there a GOOD book or any video tape for GUITAR learnners 
Keywords: guitar learnners 
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:03:11 GMT

Hello, you all guitar players! :)

I am writing to ask if there is a good book or any video tape
that teaches you how to play guitar for beginners.  Yes, I am gonna 
try to learn how to play guitar!!  

I could buy a bunch of books that are written in English, but I 
am not good at singing American songs at all. 

Please provide me with some guides, suggestions, instructions,
phone number, or any type of directions.

Thanks a bunch!

Sang S. Woo
(ssw@sequoia.nesc.epa.gov)
From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: RE: ^^^^^^^^^^    S H O C K I N G    R E S U L T S    ^^^^^^^^^^^
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:41:55 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University




I apolize misspellings on Hankye.



                     Minho Jo, Lehigh University
                     Computer Integrated Manufacturing Lab.
                     Industrial Engineering Department.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: won@seas.gwu.edu (Won Lee)
Subject: Election result
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:03:08 GMT

Hello

Can someone post the current result of election ?

thanks
-- 
_______________________________________________________________
Won  Lee                     Dept. of EE&CS 
won@seas.gwu.edu       The George Washington University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: yshan@eos.ncsu.edu (Youn-Sik Han (Snyder))
Subject: Re: korean president election 
Summary: YS elected 
Organization: NCSU Project Eos
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:06:47 GMT


According to CNN 7:00 pm EST news, Ys got elected as next president of
Korea.

They didn't talk much about it.

Han
:x
From: babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: korean students magazine ?
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:22:24 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Hi.



I just got a copy of a U.C. Berkely newspaper for Asian and Pacific Islanders

called "SLANT"



I think that's a great idea. But I'd like something more relevant to

pittsburgh area asians.



Is there a korean or asian or asian-pacific isl. newspaper/magazine

made by CMU or Univ Pittsburgh or Duqesne or other institution or organization

in western PA or eastern Ohio ?



mail me here. thanks



- jon

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: From the poster of "DJ for President"
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:14:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.170430.11317@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tchoi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>Park Chanjong is not a democratic party member. Lee Chul (from Seoul),
>Lee Haechan (from Seoul), Hong Sadok (from Kyongbuk) can be good Post-DJs.
>All of them are 40-something and all of them have a sort of national fame.

	I know Park is not a member of the Democratic Party.  But I was
asking if there is anyone who could be the leader of *the* opposition,
not just one party.

>
>
>>	If I vote for YS, I'll be voting for the evil that has been "tamed"
>>somewhat.  
>
>Tamed by whom? 
>
>>If I vote for DJ, I'll be voting for the evil that I really,
>>really don't trust.
>
>Do you have any reason why you REALY REALY don't trust him>

	Go back to my previous post.  It's in there.


-- 
T. H. Brian Chung                      | Happiness is...              
Internet: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu   | "Tea, Earl Grey, hot."
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: swkim@csws4.ic.sunysb.edu ()
Subject: election
Originator: swkim@csws4.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:05:26 GMT

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Current Time: Fri Dec 18 22:04:52 KST 1992
Query  Count: 502
 


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From: wc1q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Woncheal Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Orange-jok
Date: 13 Dec 92 05:42:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.gf_pbyG00XsL8QN0RO
Organization: Masters student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Deashik Kim Deashik.Kim@eng.umd.edu wrote:
>I really don't see any problem with the fact that rich
>kids spend money.

>The fact thay they have more money I do and can spend more
>money on better things than I have souldn't be a problem.

>And I'm working to reduce that gap.

>More disgusting thing to me is that there are people who
>sperate them as certain sterotype group and raise some
>arguement on that (for example those on Young lady).

>If certain guy/girl cause some problem, then they seal that
>as that certain group's problem, but not that guy/girl's
>problem.

I haven't read the article in the magazine but I think 'Orange jok'  is
a serious problem in korean society. 

Firstly, they are not all the kids of extremely rich families. Many of
them are kids of public officers or politicians, but still they can
afford to spend as much as rich kids do. If their fathers are public
officers, sometimes they have more expensive cars than their fathers. 
You know what it implies.

Secondly and more seriously, they are top frontiers in importing low
grade dirty cultures to Korea like using drugs, money worship,
promiscuous sexual behaviors. Their behavior is beyond the imagination
of normal koreans. Their mentality is totally different from that of
average normal koreans. 

The problem is that they affect to other people and contaminate normal
people's ethics.  It is different between rich people in US who spend a
lot and do whatever they want, and OJs who are doing the same thing in
Korea.  Korea is more compacted society.  How far is the 'Rodeo street'
in Ap-ku-jung-dong from Sa-dang-dong 'Pan-ja chon' ?  Even though the
number of OJ is small but their influence is not negligible. It's like
having  a diseased chicken in a chicken coop.  Their influence can be
shown as a simple example.

Rap music is very popular  in korea these days.  There is a popular rap
singer in Korea who even wears clothes like black people in US.  Why is
the rap music that popular in Korea (even it might be more popular than
in US) which is nothing but a black people's music ?  Rap music could
become so intimidated to korean mainly by the night clubs which are OJ's
main play ground and young singers who are OJs.  

Many young people desire to go expensive and exclusive night clubs which
are considered to have a nice 'Mool'. The 'Mool' itself represents the
OJs.  You will be kicked out in front of those clubs if you don't look
like a OJ.  There was a guy who was outraged by those treatment in a
night club and burned the club. 

Korean people's philosophy and ethic have been changing toward those of
western culture and they are still changing. However, no guideline
exists in accepting foreign cultures, so they are very susceptible to
any class of culture.  

I think OJ is a serious society problem because they are contributing in
deteriorating korean people's mind by their low cultural tendency.   



Woncheol
From: umin@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Un-Sig Min)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Re: DJ for President -- 2
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:20:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1992Dec15.160351.22315@doug.cae.wisc.edu> yang@luther.che.wisc.edu (Heewon Yang) writes:

> Just a question. How they tax the fake name account? Are they
>collecting directly from that account? If then, how? Who did it Bank or
>Revenue? And how they punish who didn't pay tax with the fake name
>account?

I am sorry I dn't know how the fake name account are taxed.
I just speculate.                             
   Bank can distinguish account owner as real or fake name.
   Interest of fake account can be taxed directly in its account at bank.
   
Again I don't know.>

un-sig 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Sorry..once again   
Summary: Banning Japanese cultures(?)
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:14:37 GMT

I don't want to start long thread again with this topic, but just I want to
point out that I confirmed from a recent Korean newspaper that Korean govern-
ment still bans *commercial* cultural products (mainly commercial movies,
pop songs, and commercial performance arts) while *pure* art forms are allowed
(pretty subjective, huh?). It also remarked that TV cartoons have been an  
exception for this matter since they regarded domestic cartoon industry not
having enough capacities or something (what is that supposed to mean? I don't
know, don't ask me :) ). So in current terms, showing cultural movies (you 
know, that sort of boring things..:)..) is legal, but showing current commercial
movies in theaters is illegal, and selling Japanese comic books is illegal,
etc.  I can quote the exact remarks in that article, if you want.
But the point of that article was that currectly this issue is in controversy,
(it seems that some congressmen brought up this issue), with some people 
wondering why we would want to import Japanese cultural products which are 
known to have many low grade things (not that all of them are bad) and such
commercial import would necessarily lead to importing much portion of the "bad"
things....and some people wondering "why not?" since all kinds of "bad" things
are already available through illegal channels. [BTW, there was another news
piece about creating porno movie theatre in public, which seems to lead to 
similar two sorts of reactions..] (* Okay, that was not exactly *newspaper*,
but a weekly supplement to the newspaper which aims to arouse just interests..)



-- 
 Sung Hyun Kim    kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu // kim_sh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
 
Organization: Masters student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:39:54 -0500 
From: Woncheal Choi <wc1q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Where is my posting?

I posted a message in a reply to Orange Jok. I cannot find my posting.

As it happened before, it might have gone to an individual account
instead of S.C.K.  There is some problem with my mailer system.

If anyone received my message, please send it back to me or post it.

Thanks,

Woncheol
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: swkim@csws5.ic.sunysb.edu ()
Subject: Re: Anything but...
Originator: swkim@csws5.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 03:28:14 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: "Suh Jung Yul" <jysuh@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Police Lt. accuses Govt of meddling in election
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:12:16 -0500


S. Korean Police Lt. Accuses Govt Of Meddling In Politics

 
  SEOUL -(AP-DJ)--Four days before presidential elections, a police lieutenant
accused the government Monday of meddling in domestic politics by ordering the
nation's 120,000-member police to crack down on the opposition's campaign. 
  The accusations by police Lt. Cho Sung-soon were a direct challenge to
repeated government promises to remain neutral in the campaign for Friday's
presidential voting. 
  But Cho's revelations on Monday raised anew question about the degree of
promised government neutrality. Despite frequent opposition charges, the Roh
government has maintained that there is no change in its promise to remain
neutral. 
  'The national police are being used to watch and suppress opposition
campaign,' Cho told a news conference at the head office in Seoul of the
opposition United People's Party (UPP). 
  He said the police order, issued on Nov. 25, was against Hyundai Corp.
officials in his area campaigning for UPP candidate Chung Ju-yung. Chung is
the founder of the giant Hyundai group which produces Hyundai cars. 
  The police lieutenant said he felt obliged to disclose what he called the
hypocrisy of the Roh government falsely pledging election neutrality. He
presented three government documents to support his charges. 
  National police chief Lee In-sup denied the charges. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: lee@don.waisman.wisc.edu
Subject: RE: ^^^^^^^^^^    S H O C K I N G    R E S U L T S    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Organization: Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 20 DEC 92 06:31:53 CST

In a previous article, mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO) wrote:

>More important thing is questionable YS's brain ?   Think of how
>important things we are facing in economy and unification.

I don't think that YS's brain is worse than yours :-).

>I want to believe that younger generation didn't vote for YS in the
>election.

All younger people don't support DJ.

>  I hate old generations who hate CHANGES.

Do not hate others because they have a different opinion from yours.

>Anyway,  the game is over.  In this step,  DJ is suggested to one step
>back and support a well-qualified and popular future leader who can beat
>the next Minja-Dang's candidate. 

I am happy that at least one Kim is to disappear. What we have to do is to
wait for another five years.

>the rumor of Pal-gang-i which is not true, and etc.

IMHO, this is not one of the major reasons of his defeat.

>Also it is sad that the opposition party has never won the presidential
>election in modern Korean political history.  This will never be good
>for the future of Korea.

I agree.

>                    Minho Jo, Lehigh University
>                    Computer Integrated Manufacturing Lab.
>                    Induatrial Engineering Department.

Hankyu Lee
From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Individualism  (was: Re: Orange-jok)
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:18:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Dec14.161805.11527
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <1992Dec14.153841.10730@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>This gap can be closed when riches spend all their money and poors run some
>business that suck up that money.  So, it is moving toward right direction.
>Can you imagine how unfair it will be if the riches do not spend any and
>keep making more?

Sound too much like the Trickle-Down theory of economics.
Has the economic prosperity tricked down to the poors in
Korea?  What are the housing situation in Korea?  What
are the situation with the factory workers, in face of
many factories being opening up in foreign lands where
wages are cheaper.... what are these lower classes to do?
Should they still be looking for this 'trickle' from the top?

>If money can buy everything, they will buy everything.  If money cannot buy
>everything, then they will find that out too.  Since their education is not
>my concern, I do not feel like going out there and preach.  Besides, I do
>not know the answer myself.

One extreme of individualism is the attitude that only "I" matter.
There are social responsibilities and one's conscience that at least
some will be willing to act upon.

>Not really.  Where did these overnight riches come from if it was so
>"extremely difficult"?

??? About what percentage of people are propelled into this class of
'overnight riches'?  With per capita income of 6K$ or so, and
cost of living being high.... I do not the see general well being of
all classes but rather further bifurcation of two extremes: rich
and poor.  

>[....]
>Such frustration is not observed in the U.S. thanks to the individualism.
>"You live your life, and I live mine" is the main theme.  And it has its
>own merits and flaws.  But in an individualistic society, 'orange-jok'
>would not even be an issue.  If there is any discussion about it, the main
>topic will be how to suck their money dry.  That's what I will be
>concentrating on myself.

"Let them eat cake".

>James Choi

Andrew Sung Hyun Kim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: To Brian Chung ( From the poster of "DJ for President" )
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:14:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.024837.2220@sbcs.sunysb.edu> swkim@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu () writes:
>After I read this article, I examined myself if I am a religious fanatic of DJ.
>Because I said I had been praying everyday for election of DJ, I might be 
>relatively religious follower of him.  But, let me ask you this:
>
>*  Do you REALLY think he is STILL "PATRIARCHAL ZEALOTS" ?? :
>
> [ and things about "prejudice" ]

I certainly agree that there are a lot of prejudices imposed by past dictators
on DJ's image. 
Anyway, do you care to share how you could overcome such prejudices and see
through the *real* character of DJ?  Did you ever meet him personally and talk
to him? [ Same questions apply to those supporters of YS ].
Don't you think there might be some prejudices about prejudices (hell, things
get tricky)?  Okay, you said it, you have *a little* flavor of religeous
follower of DJ.

>
>  [ YS's remarks ]
>
>It looks pretty honest and reasonable.  But what YS tried to say was simply :
>   " I don't know economics, but ( I assume ) it is not a big deal.  So I'm 
>     not gonna study economics so hard in the future, either. "

It DOES look pretty honest. I think DJ should make similar remarks, too.
They are not certainly economy experts. And I understand how you got to the
above interpretation, but from the quoted remarks (deleted here) doesn't
necessarily imply your interpretation.. (well,well, we know what he meant,OK)

>
>So the conclusions what I can decide at this episode are :
>1) YS knows what is the lethal flaw to prevent him from becoming president,
>   but...
>2) YS doesn't knows how serious it is.  Even though a lot people are 
>   dissatisfied with his drawback, he doesn't care of it. 
>3) So YS doesn't feel to need to solve his problem.  So he's doing nothing
>   in order to improve that negative image.
>4) So YS still has his flaw.  He is doing election campaign while keeping
>   that lethal flaw.
>

How true!  This shows YS is cleary more stupid than DJ in terms of image-
making. Well, YS gave up some image of *ability* to get some image of *honesty*
, I guess. But that was not clever for campaign.  Korean people believe what
they hear, so he should have said that he could solve every economic problems.

You know, improving negative image and improving flaws are not necessarily
same thing.  You seem to ignore that point in your reasonings.

-- 
 Sung Hyun Kim    kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu // kim_sh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
 
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