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From: ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson)
Newsgroups: uk.misc,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Stamp Question
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:58:05 GMT
Followup-To: uk.misc,talk.bizarre
Organization: Bugs-R-Us


In article <BxM02M.Ax5@cck.coventry.ac.uk> lsg001@cck.coventry.ac.uk
(Graham Wilson) writes:

#  Although many of the stamp collecting companies are genuine and do sell
#  the stamps abroad, there are several companies who use this method to
#  defraud the post office.  The stamps are placed into chemicals which
#  disolve the glue and allow the stamps to float free of the envelope
#  backing.  They are then placed into solvent which removes the franking
#  mark from the front.  The stamps are then re-glued and look like they
#  are new. 
#  
#  The company concerned then offers cheap bulk mailing of junk mail to
#  large national companies.

A philatelist of my acquaintance tells me that the mail order firms
involved could have made roughly the same saving quite legally by buying
up sheets of outdated special issue stamps at auction!

stickily, Ken Johnson


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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: imcneill@mccomp.demon.co.uk (imcneill)
Subject: Network Marketing
Distribution: world
Organization: MC Computers
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.18)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:34:44 +0000

Has anyone come across network marketing?.  I was recently at a seminar
(selling spree), where this method of distribution was being touted.  It
seems a facinating system, where the product is almost secondary to the
selling method.  The main people involved were at pains to point out that
this is NOT pyramid selling.  The difference does seem rather subtle however.
Mainly unlike pyramid selling, this system allows you to move up to the top
of the tree.  Also the company gaurantees to purchase back 90% of any unsold
stock.  The one point that really stood out was that quite a large number of
people involved had never sold any products.  They had merely introduced new
people and were now profiting from their sales and introduction etc, quite a
facinating concept.

Just wondering is anyone out there a part of a network selling system, and if
so, does it work and what are your comments.  The company involved with this
one is ASA, selling environmental products (water & air filters)

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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: cmh004@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Dave)
Subject: Re: 29 Feb 2000?
Organization: Lanchester Polytechnic
Distribution: uk
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:57:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.093753.27974@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
>Weren't you right first time?  If the year 1751 started on 25 March
>and continued until 24 March then there would have been a January 1751
>(though the cal program would call it January 1752, since its years
>begin in January).  There would have been no January 1752, though,
>since 1752 began on 25 March (Old Style) and ended on 31 December (New
>Style).

No I was right the second time. As the 'new' calander wasn't thought up by
a few people in a pub on 2/9/1752 who thought it would be a good idea to
wake up the next day on the 13th. The 'new' calander was in planning for
several years. The transfer was, day after 31/12/1751 is 1/1/1752 and the day
after 2/9/1752 is 13/9/1752. So it would be the months of January and Febuary
1751 which would not exist plus the first 24 days of March 1751.
-- 
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call this place what you like - Coventry University, Coventry Polytechnic or
Lanchester Polytechnic it is all the same and is called school.
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: cms@home.demon.co.uk (Cliff Stanford)
Subject: Re: 29 Feb 2000? 
Distribution: world
Organization: Demon Systems Limited.
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.18)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 12:17:18 +0000

In article <721949208snz@muir.demon.co.uk> malcolm@muir.demon.co.uk writes:
>
>Next argument - I say the first year of the 21st. century is 2001, not 2000
>which is the last year of the 20th. century.

	Phew!  And I thought I was going to be all alone seeing in the
new millenium on 1 Jan 2001.  The rest of the world will probably still
be nursing hangovers from the year before :-)
		Regards,
			Cliff.
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From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Simon Oke)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Satellite Dishes
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:45:05 GMT
	<721841525snz@dims.demon.co.uk>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: dingram@dims.demon.co.uk's message of 15 Nov 92 15:32:05 GMT


In article <721841525snz@dims.demon.co.uk> dingram@dims.demon.co.uk ("Darren P. Ingram") writes:
| In article <OKES.92Nov11203051@SunLab40.essex.ac.uk> okes@essex.ac.uk writes:
|
| >We have a BSB squariel at home. It sits on the floor, pointing out the
| >(double-glazed) French windows. We get a perfect picture, even when it rains.
| >Of course, that changes when someone walks in front of it...
|
| Which won't be any use in its current state from 31/12/92:-)
|
I KNOW! We only got it because it was going for 5o quid!
Now will you all stop telling me that the transmissions are going to end
at the end of next month!

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From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Network Marketing
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 12:20:21 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) writes:
> The problem with this kind of system is that someone somewhere
> actually has to sell something for the network as a whole to make any
> money.  A group of people selling rocks to each other will not make
> any money at all.

Heresy!  What kind of Labour Party propaganda are you spouting?  Next you'll
be suggesting that we shouldn't line the pockets of such people with millions
of pounds of taxpayers' money.


mathew
From: rt@uknet.ac.uk (Roy.Thearle)
Newsgroups: uk.misc,uk.net
Subject: Re: new groups, how?
Keywords: new groups
Date: 24 Nov 92 02:08:39 GMT
Followup-To: uk.misc
Distribution: uk
Organization: UKnet

In article <1992Nov22.155716.23859@aber.ac.uk> ccs@aber.ac.uk (Christopher "Jd" Samuel) writes:
>The last large discussion for a new UK group that I remember was for
>uk.telecom, and that was just a discussion which resulted in Ian Harding
>at UKC (or UKNet or GBNet or whatever it was back then) issuing the
>newgroup.  I vaguely remember that he was also responsible for removing
>the UK york-box group as well. 
>
>That's about all the procedure I remember.. :-)

Given the small number (20-ish) of groups, and the fact that none of
them are exactly overflowing with articles, I don't think there needs
to be a formal procedure for creation/deletion of uk groups. The
historians here say that in the past, groups have been set up after
someone asked on the net and didn't receive any dissent. UKC/UKnet
have occasionally created groups on request, or deleted unused
groups (after checking that no-one wanted to keep them), and we
are quite willing to continue to do this. 

However, if people want to instigate a more formal mechanism for
group creation/deletion, we would be happy to act as arbiters or
something.

				Roy

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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: 29 Feb 2000?
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:55:13 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.090506.2767@edscom.demon.co.uk> rpt@edscom.demon.co.uk (Richard Tomlinson) writes:
>
>How do you know there wasn't a year 0? I thought the system of counting years
>since Christ, was adopted many years (centuries?) after he died - this is why
>scholars believe Christ was born in 4BC. In that case, why not say there was
>a year 0 just for convenience? After all, it is an entirely arbitrary system.

True, but we're stuck with it now, and I don't think historians would
relish having to change every reference to the years before Christ.

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From: G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: humor in England
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:36:54 GMT


 >  >
 >  >You forgot the most important question.... why can't you get decent gravy
 >  >from any chip-shops in London?
 >  
 > Who on earth puts GRAVY on their chips, its either vinegar or
 > nothing.

In London (and elsewhere??) there are still "Pie and Mash" shops,
where the liquid they pour is call "liquor" and looks green!

Gordon,
____

Gordon Joly      Phone  +44 71 387 7050 ext 3703      FAX  +44 71 387 1397
Internet: G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk        UUCP: ...!{uunet,uknet}!ucl-cs!G.Joly
Computer Science, University College London, Gower Street, LONDON WC1E 6BT
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Subtle (i.e. obscure) cigarette adverts
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:20:39 GMT
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <CAH.92Nov19160010@mopsy.bham.ac.uk>, cah@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ceri Hopkins) writes:
> I believe these are for Marlboro (from the people who employ Margaret
> Thatcher). I only worked this out from the Tar and Nicotine levels
> though. 

Oh, not from the amount of damage they do to the country? :-)
-- 
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For the record, I did not vote for Bill Clinton
:-)
From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Address request
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 16:24:50 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

AUSBROOK@ucs.indiana.edu (Entropy Warrior) writes:
> Could anyone help me with the address of
> 
> Anna Praschma
> Newnham College
> Cambridge University

Er, yes.  Delete the word "University" and write "UNITED KINGDOM" on the
bottom and you have a completely valid address.


mathew

Newsgroups: uk.misc,soc.culture.celtic
From: csg189@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Paranoid !!!)
Subject: Re: Pakora [Was Re: humor in England]
Organization: Calling From Somewhere In Time !!!
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:47:15 GMT

In article <By0B89.MwH@fulcrum.co.uk> igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.124012.1601@rdg.dec.com> cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) writes:
>
>[[ There's actually a reason why Indian (as a rough term) food is
>localised with England.  It depend on which parts of the subcontinent
>the area has as its main population.  Hence the strong divide between
>South Birmingham (mostly North Indian and Pakistan) and North Birmingham
>(Central India).  An expert will, of course, expand and show me wrong...

I don't believe that. The food you get is almost similar ... It just depends
on the way you cook it ....

					- Paranoid !!!
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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre)
Subject: Re: humor in England
Organization: Pig Heaven, Coventry, UK
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:50:46 GMT

In article <BxtE7J.Kuw@cck.coventry.ac.uk> apj003@cck.coventry.ac.uk (James W Bottomley) writes:
>In article <3213@ucl-cs.uucp> G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly) writes:
>>
>><< It's you that's sad! Parsley liquor on your pie and mash is bloody
>><< lovely and I won't hear a word said against it. All this from a bloke
>><< who's moved to a dump like Coventry, the only place I know that makes M1
>><< service stations look attractive! More concrete than you could shake a
>><< stick at.
>It can't be worse than central London! Sleezy streets full of degenerates...
>people with accents that sound like they stepped out of one of those 30's
>movies about cheeky cockney chappies and jolly good toffs.. rubbish piled 
>everywhere... wall-to-wall Iranians and other shady arabs trying to rob you
> of your parking place... nowhere to park and a fight to the death to buy
>a bag of sweets or a newspaper from bad tempered illiterate foreign illegals.

Apart from the grossly offensive over generalisations, I'm inclined to
agree with you.

Actually, I don't think Gordon wrote that bit about how bad Coventry is,
but I'll agree with whoever wrote that article, too. I'm here through
no choice of my own, but I prefer it to London. Outside the city centre
there ain't all that much concrete at all. Unlike London, where it gets
worse the further out you get into the suburbs. 

Coventry may be a dump, but at least it's a small dump. And I don't have to
travel for one and a half hours to see my friends who live five miles away.
And we don't get green puke poured on our chips, neither.

>Not that I'm biased or anything, but I reckon England starts at Watford Gap.
>Heading north.

I'm afraid you'd have to stop when it becomes Scotland, though, or they won't
be very happy at all.

-- 
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		 ---------------------------------
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From: cmh004@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Dave)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: 29 Feb 2000?
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:28:12 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Lanchester Polytechnic

In article <6434@sersun1.essex.ac.uk> peter@serv2.essex.ac.uk (Peter Allott) writes:
>Will there be a 29 Feb 2000?

yes.
leap_year is year/4 leaves no remainder
     except when year/100 leaves no remainder
        except when year/400 leaves no remainder

So 2000 is divisible by 4,100 and 400 so it will be a leap year.
	
>The cal program thinks so!

I've never heard of this program until you mentioned it in your article.
I've looked at the man page for it as well. The man page invites you to
look at September 1752 - and its right again.
Yet I can get cal to give me a calander for *January 1752* - no such
month ever existed in England though the month would have existed in
Scotland. 1/1752 would have been 1/1751 and what cal thinks is 2/1692
is in fact 2/1691. Because until 1752 the year started on the 25th March.

>As it also thinks 29 Feb 4000 will exist It's clearly wrong
>some where.

No cal is perfectly right in this respect.

>What is the correct rule? Do all countries agree???? 

Well I think all countries use the Georgian calander in international
agreements, but some countries may use a different calander for their
own personal use. The Orthodox church still uses the Jullian calander
which today it is Tuesday 4th November 1992.
-- 
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call this place what you like - Coventry University, Coventry Polytechnic or
Lanchester Polytechnic it is all the same and is called school.
From: adam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Adam Hamilton)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: humor in England
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:27:22 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1eb7fjINNakn@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> bocmunro@bnr.co.uk (Bruce Munro) writes:
:Aye, where slag heaps, steelworks and dark satanic mills are the order
:of the day.
:
:It's grim up North!

	Hadn't you heard!  They were all closed down years ago.  Something
to do with us being better off without them.
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: dhd@exnet.co.uk (Damon)
Subject: Re: UK Time Servers ? 
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:58:11 GMT

In article <722195999snz@kram.demon.co.uk> mt@kram.demon.co.uk writes:
>In article <BxMGw9.7Ew@exnet.co.uk> dhd@exnet.co.uk writes:
>>In article <dhs.721577645@issun3> dhs@is.city.ac.uk (David Sheryn) writes:
>>>Do any sites in the UK offer a publicly accessible time service, or are
>> prepared
>>>to enter into a bilateral agreement?
>>
>>I'd like to know if there is, but in the meantime I have the number of
>>a V22b modem in Sweden that gives Atomic time in ASCII...
>
>Damon, you should be able to get the time from us using XNTP when you
>connect using IP. Once you're on the Internet there's loads of public
>access time servers.

I think you missed out a \begin{ad}[subtle] ... \end{ad} there.  B^>

Some, including me, do not *want* the complexity (and security hazards)
of a direct Internet connection.  UUCP can be safer and more efficient,
as you know.  B^>

Damon
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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Subject: Re: humor in England 
Keywords: Just testing!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:23:09 GMT

In article <BxwwF7.735@cck.coventry.ac.uk>, sba@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Blade) writes:
|> Just testing please ignore!!!!

Is this supposed to be some sort of joke?  I'm sorry, I don't
understand...
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From: dmarsh@cs.strath.ac.uk (David R Marsh CS91)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:30:46 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

In article <JC.92Nov20094833@mr-potter-t-crosser-i-dotter.fulcrum.co.uk> jc@fulcrum.co.uk (John Callingham) writes:
> 
>It is too dangerous for cyclists to ride on roads without bus lanes.

False.

>So cyclists ride on the pavement and make the pavements dangerous for
>pedestrians.

Some of them do.

 Another example of the way that cars are becoming the
>only form of transport for the vast majority.
>

True, but this is by Govt coercion rather than choice.

>The number of cars on our roads is continously increasing. Anyone got
>any ideas on what to do with them all?
>

I've been told that sticking boiled potatoes up car exhausts does not greatly
enhance their performance. But seriously: lots of traffic calming, huge 
parking fees, car bans from city centres, removal of company car perks,  
massive investment in good quality public transport (especially rail and LRT),
huge petrol taxes etc. (Go on, flame me!)

{The above actually resembles Central Region's new transport plan, excepting
 the bit about potatoes :^)}

The Urban Cyclist [TM] guide to city centre cycling:
(as most city streets have several lanes)

1 This is *my* lane. That's why I'm cycling in the centre of it. I've left a 
  lane on my right for you (gosh, I'm so generous).
2 If you (a car) enter my lane you do so at your own risk.
3 If you pass by me so closely that I can touch your car <thump> then I will
  do so. You're *too* close.
4 If you have a problem with that then I'll be happy to argue about it at the
  next traffic lights. Failing that, I'll take down your numberplate and report
  you to the police. (I've not tried this, but many rec.bicycles.* people 
  confirm that this has the desired effect.)

This is the technique I use, and it works! I get very little hassle, and 
every time I go out I see more and more people cycling...

In fact, there are so many cyclists that almost every railing at the Uni has
at least one bike locked to it... :-)


Dave.--dmarsh@cs.strath.ac.uk  or  cad129@ccsun.strath.ac.uk {or sthg similar!}-

If you did something which carried a high risk of your own death, a high risk 
of killing other people, which adversely affected the environment, which cost
you a lot of money, and was highly taxed, you'd stop wouldn't you?

Driving: it's time to kick the habit.    "Training beats coaching" (C) ScotRail
Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: esy029@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Thomas Chung)
Subject: Re: Satellite Dishes
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:30:39 GMT


>|> | Which won't be any use in its current state from 31/12/92:-)
>|> |
>|> I KNOW! We only got it because it was going for 5o quid!
>|> Now will you all stop telling me that the transmissions are going to end
>|> at the end of next month!

Don't worry, around ten of my colleague bought the dishes and receivers 
a few months ago.  They reprogramed one of the component in the receiver and 
can receive some of the Foreign Channels.


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Newsgroups: uk.misc
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: 29 Feb 2000?
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Distribution: uk
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:54:07 GMT

In article <2239@stalin> nic@uk.co.gec-mrc (Nick Chapman) writes:
>Cal says that there was a February 29th in year 1700.
>Is this because the 100 & 400 year rules hadn't yet started?

Yes.  England used the Julian calendar until 1752, where the rule
was simply that every fourth year was a leap year.  The extra days
in years like 1700 were what caused the calendar to get eleven
days behind.

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From: te1003@sees.bangor.ac.uk (Tomas Zavadil)
Newsgroups: uk.misc
Subject: Flight tickets London-Prague
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:57:42 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Bangor
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Does anyone know where I can buy the cheapest from London to Prague or Wienna ? I'd like to fly before Chrismas and return before 11th to January.

Thanks
             Tom  Z A V A D I L       E-mail: te1003@sees.bangor.ac.uk

Please E-mail me.
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