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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Where will Montana Go?(was Re: (Vikes) The words SPARK...)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:45:30 GMT

In article <1ggrq9INN7af@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright) writes:

>Well, it would seem now that Minnesota is good place for Joe. Clearly,
>the Vikings have a good defense, better than other x-49er staff teams
>like Green Bay. And the Raiders stink, another place where x-49er's
>go. I can see Montana and Craig doing well in Minnesota.

There is no good place for Joe.  He needs to stay put.  Were he to go
to any other team, expectations would immediately be set so high that
anything less than a visit to the Big Dance would be a disappointment.
Even Joe can't pull that off without a supporting cast (although him
in Minnesota makes one pause).  And his inevitable huge salary would
make it easy for fans to turn on him.  He deserves better.  Besides, 
he's only got a couple of years left, most likely.  And the way that
Young plays, with no regard to personal safety, Joe could well be the
starter again early next year (or even in this postseason).
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From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: great teams do NOT always win in december
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:39:55 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

>The Great Teams win in December.
>
>jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN P. GLORIA)

Eagles 24, Redskins 22.   December 22, 1991.

and remember, john, by your own words, *only* the score counts.
so don't try any of that "they had already won their division" song-and-dance.
either way you cut it, you are _wrong_.

ok
dpm
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              When every one is dead the Great Game is finished.  Not before.
                              --- Hurree Babu, "Kim"
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Early Scores
Date: 13 Dec 92 21:59:00 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania





Bears ROUT Steelers (30-6):  Da Bears clamp down defensively in Singletary's
last home game yielding only over 100+ yards to the formidable Steeler offense.
Barry Foster was totally shut down and the Steelers' special teams got careless
The rest was pure Bubby!  2 INTS which resulted in Bear scores, missing wide
open receivers, etc. etc.  The Steeler offense didn't help either and dropped
many-a-catchable passes.  Guess Harbaugh gets to keep his paycheck.

Niners over Vikes (20-17):  Rich Gannon had a sucky day but the Vikes D came
on strong.  Andre MacMillian scored a 51 yard TD off a Steve Young INT. In
the 4th Quarter, 49er punter Willmsmeyer was tackled at the SF 4 yard.  The
Vikes had a chance to win in as they had the ball at the SF 31 with over 2
minutes left but Gannon got sacked twice and got taken out of FG range.  Good
game.

Atlanta over TB (35-7): Wade Wilson pulls a Doug Williams.  Bomb after bomb
after bomb!  5 TD passes and over 300+ yards passing.  Hell, even Deion
Sander Claus was a recipient of a passing TD.

KC over NE (27-20): Da Fumble Bowl!  In the downpour, NE scored early on a
Okoye fumble.  Another Kreig fumble (forced by Andre Tippett) made the score
13-3. KC retaliated with their own fumble return for a TD.  The score was
27-20 and the Pats were in KC territory but lost the ball on a high snap.

Detroit over Cleveland 24-14:  Ware had a decent game.  Bernie scored 2 TDs
(Metcalf and Michael "hee hee" Jackson)  but a bad first half capped by a
late 2nd quarter INT deep in Lion territory cost the Browns.

Colts over Jets (10-6):  Why can't these 2 teams score against each other?

satish nair
(ray must) go, giants


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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: BEST team wins Re: Dallas vs Skins
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:53:45 GMT
Keywords: Dallas, Washington, San Francisco, GB, Minnesota

In article <1992Dec14.155010.839@asl.dl.nec.com> nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix) writes:
>Fact: Dallas dominated Washington at Dallas.
>Fact: Dallas outplayed Washington at RFK, Washington wins because of great
>      defensive efforts and bonehead Dallas plays
Fact? didn't see it? Do they publish any "outplaying scores" in the 
newspaper today?

I only saw the 2nd half. I saw the Skins outplaying the Boys, outscoring 
them 13-0, having a 3-0 edge in turnovers, having a couple long 
drives that resulted in only 2 FGs.  Had it not been an "overrated" 
quarterback, it could have been a 21-0 advantage, Skins, 17-0 at the 
worst.

As far as the 1st half is concerned, the Boys were lucky that they
scored the TD with 9 seconds left, when Silly Wilbur gave them a
2nd chance.

Could have been, should have been, the final score should have been:

    Washington 24 Dallas 13

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Re: Vikes cannot hope for a wild card.
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 04:49:47 GMT

In article <ELM.92Dec14183852@terrorism.berkeley.edu> elm@cs.berkeley.edu writes:

>Actually, the Vikings *can* be a wildcard team.  They are currently
>9-5.  If they lose to the Packers and win their other game, they'll
>finish 10-6.  It's entirely possible that the loser of the Philly vs.
>Washington game will lose their other game, finishing 9-7.  That would
>make the wild card teams New Orleans, winner of Philly/Washington
>(11-5 or 10-6), and the Vikings (10-6).  The loser of the Philly/DC
>game would be 9-7 and out of the playoffs if they lost the final
>weekend.

No, because if the Vikes finished 10-6, they would win the NFC Central,
so they wouldn't be a wildcard team.

Jim
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jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University |    -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
From: bakerje@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: TALES OF A PACKER FAN!!!
Date: 10 Dec 92 20:07:41 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

Tails from a Packer fan...

	The Green Bay Packers have not been in 10 years and it is a heart
breaking thing for those of us in Wisconsin.  Why have they been such an
inferior team lately? Most likely, poor coaching (i.e. Starr, Gregg and 
Infante).  But the truth is, this is the past, and the Packers are now
building a dynasty, not just for one season, but for a generation.
	As for the Playoffs this year, the Packers may win the Central
Division, it is probably more likely than getting a Wildcard.  This is
not to say that the Vikes will just roll over and die, but the Stealers 
and the 49ers are very tough teams. I simply think that there is a better
chance that the Vikes will mess up than Washington or Philly.
	Leroy Butler? It's a shame. The is no place for cheap hits in the 
NFL (although I don't think Butler's was half as serious as some I have seen
this year).
	Addressing the Houstin game... the Packers will win. Even if Warren
Moon is back, he will not be at 100%. The Packers are solid and WILL go 10-6.
	Now, about the Seattle Seahawks.  I have read the post, and it seems
they have done a better job in the past then the Packers (at least while the
Seahawks have been around). But if you look at overall percentages, the Packers
would beat the Seahawks hands down. This doesn't mean either team is better,
I just don't think there is a way to compare the two, or a reason two (since 
they are neither has any players that have played for 10 years). 

	SUPERBOWL PICKS: NFC - Dallas Cowboys
			 AFC - Pittsburgh Steelers

	CHAMPION:  Who knows? Watch and see... I would guess Dallas.

PS - Green Bay/Housin game is on ESPN at 7pm CST on Sunday... YAY!
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas vs Washington
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:48:23 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.football.pro, cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter) writes:

 >        HALF TIME SCORE:
 >
 >        DALLAS          7
 >        WASHINGTON      7
 >

Actually, the halftime score was:

	  Dallas        17
	  Washington     7

Final score:

	  Dallas        17
	  Washington    20

Hail to the Redskins!

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 Steve Williams                           swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil
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From: operbwt@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu(Barry Trottier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cost of Season Tickets?
Date: 17 Dec 1992 04:06:36 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: operbwt@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: g222-17.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

Thanks for all of the people who responded with Season Tickets prices! :)

------
Go Niners!
Go Elway!

Barry Trottier
e-mail:  operbwt@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
From: caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Gannon's stupidity costs the Vikes.(NEW QB????)
Date: 14 Dec 1992 03:30:08 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <Bz8Bvo.I6J@news.iastate.edu> ongh@iastate.edu (Calvin N Hobbes) writes:
>the idiot is not Gannon, if anyone's to blame, it is the offensive
>coord. and / or the head coach who call the plays, unless it's an audible.
>the QB s don't get to call plays by themselves, not usually at least. i know
>john elway does that sometimes, and he's i think one of the best QBs in the
>league(though i hate the Broncos) .
>
>i watched Salisbury play against the eagles, he wasn't that impressive either.
>maybe the vikes should look for a QB in next year's draft?

	You know, I have been thinking about this lately, and with all the
	free agents avail. after the end of the season, who would you like to
	see the Vikings pick up to QB? I was thinking of possible QB's
	that may be avail. after this season.

	V. Testeverde	- May be in his last season with Tampa
	D. Majkowski	- Probaly wont wanna be a backup to Favre.
	B. Kosar	- Cleveland fans seem unhappy with him
	J. Montana	- Expensive, but probaly out of Vikings reach.
	S. Deberg	- ??? Not sure if he would be avail.
	P. Simms	- Too old? Could we *use* him for one season?
	J. Harbaugh	- Bears unhappy with him, he could be avail.
	B. Esiason	- Klinger future in Cincinnati
	J. MacMahon	- Probaly will stay backup to Randall.

	Who would Vikings fans like to see next year?
	I dont think Gannon will be able to hack it next year,
	but who knows.

	ps- great game 49ers, you deserved it. :)

	Mark
	GO VIKINGS!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:05:30 EST
From: Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: The Ratings Game - Week 15

Steelers fans, believe it or not - there is still hope should the Bills,
Steelers lose this week and the Chiefs win.  If all three teams finish
11-5, the Steelers get home field advantage due to better AFC record.
Head to head is not applicable since the Bills beat the Steelers, the
Steelers beat the Chiefs, but the Chiefs did not play the Bills.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
AFC
No. 1 Buffalo       (10-4 better head to head record vs. Steelers)
    2 Pittsburgh    (10-4)
    3 Kansas City   ( 9-5 swept San Diego)
    4 San Diego     ( 9-5)
    5 Miami         ( 8-5)
    6 Houston       ( 8-6)
      Broncos, Colts( 7-7)
NFC
No. 1 San Francisco (12-2)
    2 Dallas        (11-3)
    3Minnesota     ( 9-5)
    4 New Orleans   (11-3)
    5 Washington    ( 9-5)
    6 Philadelphia  ( 9-5)
      Green Bay     ( 8-6)

Possibilities :
AFC
   Chiefs, Chargers clinch playoff spot with victory this week.
   Miami clinches playoff spot with win tonight and next week.
   Buffalo clinches home field advantage with win, loss by Steelers,
   Kansas City and Dever this week.
NFC
   Redskins clinch playoff berth with victory this week.
Vikings clinch NFC Central with win or Green Bay loss.
Cowboys clinch NFC East with win only this week.
49ers clinch NFC West, home field advantage with win only.
49ers clinch NFC West with win or Saints loss.
49ers clinch home field advantage with loss, Saints loss and Cowboys loss.

"I'd give up my security for just the possiblity..." (name the artist!)
** Rob **
From: v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Miami (Hey Eric read this!)
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:20:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

What is this a dolphin fan complaining about their once undefeated
team.  The team that was supposed to go 16-0.  Why don't you read
this Eric, it is very interesting.  Obviously Eric wants to be
put into the same caegory as JPG, and EL.

Bruce, a Bills fan.

In article <58NH03rJc2D500@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) writes...
>In article <sf8din600WBNA4HpgH@andrew.cmu.edu> yc25+@andrew.cmu.edu (Young-Soo Che) writes:
>>For Miami fans to respond to only.
>>What the hell is wrong with them?
>>Why can't they get their offense going?
>>Why do they have such bad luck?
>>I'm beginning to lose faith in my team.  I didn't like how Marino went
>>down without anyone touching him.  That kind of gutless attitude and
>>performance just isn't to my liking.  I'm beginning to see the light
>>that Miami may just be a bunch of showboats, who don't play tough, and
>>can't do what it takes to win which is good defense and a established
>>running game.  I used to like watching them make awesome long bombs when
>>i wuz a kid cause that was exciting, and i didn't really know much about
>>football.
>>Whatta you think?
> 
> 
>  (This is kinda late)
> 
>  I had my suspicions that Miami was over-rated, but those suspicions have
>been put to rest.  The Niners may not be the best NFC team in the league,
>but the Dolphins couldn't tell the way they were shut down.
> 
>  We need defense- a healthy, strong, big, fast inside linebacker.  Vincent
>is ok but he is not what we need.  Miami was doing ok- not great- until
>Offerdahl had to leave the game.  He is a real leader but I can't remember
>the last time he had an injury-free season.  
> 
>  Keith J. is a good addition.  Higgs is ok but I think we need someone
>bigger.  We still don't have a money running back.
> 
>  Even if we win our remaining games we are going to be humiliated when
>the playoffs come around (look at the loss to the Jets last year) should
>we happen to get a wildcard spot or outright win the AFC East.
>Miami still does not have a team that can go all the way, not yet.  They
>are close.  We have lots of good individual talent on the team but it's
>not coming together as a whole.  Give it another year or two.  I say don't
>let Offerdahl play the rest of the year; let him heal for next season.
> 
>  Doug
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:50:06 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
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Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:20:08 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu(Barry Trottier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: EAGLES IN SUPER BOWL
Date: 11 Dec 1992 20:58:59 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: g310c6.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <Dec.11.10.49.33.1992.20154@andromeda.rutgers.edu>  
dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
> reille85@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Dec10.211422.1@wharton.upenn.edu>,  
reille85@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
> >> EAGLES TO WIN SUPER BOWL
> >> 	-Despite Rich Kotite
> >> 	-Despite no Jerome Brown
> >> 	-Despite no Keith Jackson
> >> 	-Despite no Ben Smith
> >> 
> >> 	Eagles 21 Saints 20
> >> 	Eagles 27 Dallas 17
> >> 	Eagles 30 49ers 27
> 
> >OH, I forgot - Eagles 24 Chargers 20
> 
> OH, I guess you also forgot that the Eagles can't play the Saints,
> Cowboys or 49ers in the SB because they are all NFC teams.
> The Chargers are the only possibility. NOT!  So I guess your
> posting is a bust!

I believe what the original poster was doing was showing the series of games  
through the playoffs for the Eagles.  (ie.  Saints Round 1, Dallas Round 2, SF  
in NFC Championship, Chargers in SB)

Of course, all of these are wrong since either the Eagles won't make the  
playoffs or they will lose to the Saints who are the 2nd best team in the  
league right now IMHO.

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Barry Trottier
e-mail:  trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
From: mgleason@cse.unl.edu (Mike Gleason)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Patriots Poll
Date: 14 Dec 1992 01:53:05 GMT
Organization: NCEMRSoft
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu

It is pretty much a done deal that Colonial America's Team (TM) has
wrapped up the number one pick of the '93 draft (well, maybe a win against
the Bengalis, but still atleast a #2 pick overall).

I'd like to hear from the rest of the Patriots' fans that read this group,
all ten of us :-) who you think we should draft.  Mail me your vote and I
will summarize later.  Some possible choices:

QBs: Gino Toretta, Drew Bledsoe, Shane Matthews.  All votes for Rick Mirer
	 will be "accidentally" discarded ;-)

OL:  Outland Trophy winner, Will Shields  (No, I'm not voting for him).

RBs: Assuming Faulk and Hearst don't come out, I can't think of anyone worth
	 using our #1 pick on... We don't really need one anyway.

WRs: None I can think of worth picking #1.

DL: Either of the 'Bama DEs

LBs: Marvin Jones

DBs: Maybe Curry from 'Bama.

Mail your votes to me, but post additional candidates that I didn't think of
to the net (like the last names of those Alabama DEs).

--mg
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From: pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud)
Subject: Re: Vikes cannot hope for a wild card.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:07:47 GMT

Nope, If they do that they still win the division.

Paul