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From: garrem@vccsouth16.its.rpi.edu (Matthew Olsen Garretson)
Subject: Re: The Big Blue (SPOILERS)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:21:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.211229.16954@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> yurkon@msunscl.bitnet (John Yurkon) writes:
>I have serveral questions about "The Big Blue".
>
>    1.  Was it originally filmed in English or French?

  English, with French subtitiles. I hope for Luc Besson's sake that he 
  wasn't counting on a large American audience for THE BIG BLUE, since it 
  flopped in the US.

>    2.  Are there differences in the endings of the French and English version?

  Yes.. Although my memory is hazy, I'm pretty sure the French release did
  not have the dolphin scene at the end. It may have been there, but in a    
  slightly more subtle and less optimistic manner, if that makes any sense. What
  I mean is that they tried to make the ending a little more upbeat in the
  American release. They also edited out some scenes, including some of the
  later diving competitions.   And, the American version had a *terrible* score,
  which was a lame knockoff of the original (and outstanding) French score by
  Eric Serra. God only knows why they hired Bill Conti to "compose" that crap
  for the American version.
 
>    3.  What does the ending in the English version mean?  Does
>    he die, did he get transformed into a dolphin or is he just taking a swim?

  The way I see it, he died. That scene was symbolic. IMHO.

>    4.  Would his father had died if he had not paniced?  It seemed like
>    they could have just pulled him up.

  Probably. :) 

-- 
Matt Garretson                       :-)                          garrem@rpi.edu
From: dascoser.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Best Suporting Actor
Date: 25 Jul 92 03:23:02 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

Who won this year's best supporting actor Oscar? E-mail only please.

Dascoser
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: ADAM'S RIB (Russian)
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:35:28 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <1992Jul26.041932.8013@microsoft.com> frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
>
>This is a small film, but sharply focused, incisively
>written and performed. With no budget, no resources, no
>filmstock in all likelihood, the film maker and his crew and
>cast concentrate on giving us a small gem of insight,
>wisdom, and passion.
>
>If you have a chance to see this Russian ADAM'S RIB, do
>yourself a great favor and do so, regardless of the cost.
>

I saw it about 4 weeks ago when I was visiting my mom down in NYC.
It's one of the weakest Russian/ex-Soviet movies to be ever shown in
this counry. It has no story line with characters who just seem pointlessly
drifting around on the sceen. From the grandma to the pregnant teenage daughter,
it's a stew without any falvor whatsoever.

Worst of all,there is no real story line which a half-decent movie would
at least attempt to tell.
All the characters are sort of stuck in their misery and no one seems to
be telling much(definely not the grandma) about anything.

I'm sure a crew member lent his/her apartment for a day to shoot this
nonsense. I would be surprised that all the home scenese took more 24
hours to shoot.
The best current Russian movie I ever saw has to be the 'Taxi Blues'
from couple of summers ago. With Adam's Rib,you'd be wise to avoid it.

-Mark
From: k_workman@csc32.enet.dec.com (Karen Workman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Christopher Walken
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:53:43 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <6799@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com>, delanzo@sparc22.hri.com (Michael DeLanzo) writes...
>> [ Stuff deleted....] 
> 
>Two people that Walken "hangs around" with are James Woods and Peter
>Weller. Now if that doesn't tell you how strange he is ... If I saw the
>three of them walking down the street I'd run the other way. 
> 
>-md
> 
>BTW, I like the work of all three actors.

Can you or someone refresh my memory as to who James Woods and Peter Weller
are?  What have they played in that they can be recognized for?

-kw
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From: andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek)
Subject: Re: A LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN (Spoilers)
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1992 23:41:35 GMT

In article <834@nazgul.UUCP> bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright) writes:
> 
> In this film, we are subjected yet again to the *oldest* most worn-out
> cliche of sports movies. That is, the "big game" at the end.
> 
> The star player leads the team on into the finals, with victory after
> victory. Then, in the Big Game at the end, the star player either
> cannot play or is disabled somehow. The team starts losing badly.
> Around half-time, the star player either reappears or becomes 
> re-enabled, and the team makes a comeback, winning by *one* point in the 
> final second of the game.
> 
> I have just described the plot of nearly every sports movie, including
> this one. Ug.

Maybe what we've got is a genre unto itself: "Big Game Sports Movies" --
not unlike: 

Big Shootout Westerns
Big Shootout James Cameron Movies
Big Breasted Animated Female Caricature Movies 
Dark and Moody Cartoonish Character Movies with Winter Scenes
Movies about English People in Foreign Places
Buddy&Buddy(HA HA), Shoot the Badguy(DIE!) -aka- Blood and Chuckle Movies

And I'm sure some other netters might like to expand....

BTW, this is not an apologia for "League of Their Own"

AK

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    1991       585    104    170     32     26    100     22    .291
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From: tzung@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (tzung-i.lin)
Subject: Re: Video release of Greenway movies
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:14:14 GMT

Among Greenway's movies that are released on VHS/LD that I know of are:

	Name					VHS	LD
	-------------------------------------	------	------------------
	Draughtsman's Contract			yes	no
	Belly of an Architect			yes	yes
	Drowning by Numbers			yes	yes (or planned)
	The Cook, The Thief, His Wife Her Lover yes	yes

Only Cook, Thief, Wife and Lover is LETTERBOXed.  For a director who
creates such an unforgetable images on every inch of the film,
"it's a crime not to LBX his movies" (quote from rec.video.releases).
But even so, owners of the CTWL LD complains the LD has a bad transfer.

I rented Draughtsman's Contract expecting something near the 
impression I had after watching it in the theater many years ago,
boy, was it a nightmare!!  The VHS was barely watchable, the color
of that transfer is washed out, the focus is blury, not LBX ...
A total disaster!!  This horrible experience prevented me from
renting Drowning by Numbers.

When will Greenway receive the respect his movies deserve when 
transfering into videos? Sigh.  I hope Prospero's Book gets Criterion's
treatment and released in LD.

Tzung-I
From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: pinocchio (1940)
Date: 21 Jul 92 06:11:06 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

FRAJM>the Best Song "When You Wish Upon a Star" and my personal
FRAJM>favorite "I Got No Strings." The animation and the

     I prefer "Hi Diddle Dee Dee!  An actor's live for me!" myself.
     A bouncy tune that I like to hum to myself on the way to work.
     It keeps me from growing up.

FRAJM>mysterious, amusing, emotional, and frightening. The level
FRAJM>of art makes one want to yell "Stop, wait a moment, I want
FRAJM>to study this frame" over and over again. Unfortunately for

     That's what CAV laserdiscs are for!

FRAJM>The film, for its short 90-minute running time, is packed

     Actually, at 92 minutes, "Pinocchio" was one of Walt Disney's
     *longest* animated feature films.  Most of his other animated
     movies clocked in at somewhere between 65 to 75 minutes.
     ("Fantasia" was two hours long, but "Bambi only 69 minutes,
     for example.)

FRAJM>with more excellences than most films you or I will have
FRAJM>occasion to see this year. When you go, there will be many
FRAJM>children in the audience. It will be more or less noisy,
FRAJM>with TV-bred moppets asking what this or that is, but unless
FRAJM>you are terminally hostile to children, you will almost
FRAJM>surely find yourself so drawn into the magic of PINOCCHIO
FRAJM>that you will become oblivious to the background noise. You

     I found the audience for "Pinocchio" much more well-behaved than
     when I saw "Beauty And The Beast" last fall.  Perhaps the mothers
     of the more obnoxious little rugrats are simply renting the movie
     on video and saving themselves (and us) a harrowing experience at
     the movies.

FRAJM>I strongly encourage you to see this release of PINOCCHIO on the
FRAJM>big screen, even if you own a video copy or intend to get
FRAJM>one.

     Amen to that one!  Allow me to second it.  Heck,  I'll even third,
     fourth, and fifth it.
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From: hpouncy1@cc.swarthmore.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: REVIEW: HONEY, I BLEW UP THE KID
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:15:48 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College

Well, I finally got an answer to my question on the giant baby's
bathroom habits.  In a Newsweek review, David Ansen writes,
"Director Kleiser and screenwriters Eberhardt, Elbling and Goodrow
see to it that this potentially nightmarish situation stays
benign by making Adam himself cheerfully oblivious to his
altered state....and the filmmakers tactfully resist the
temptation to indulge in any Brobdingnagian bathroom humor
(Think of what John Waters could have done with this!)"

I don't know, is this tactfulness or a movie error by omission?
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Feminist Perspective of Batman Returns
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:41:28 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Jul24.082252.76@news.uwyo.edu>, rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky) writes:
> 
> Regarding all this discussion on the feminist perspective of Batman 
> Returns:  How do we fit in Catwoman's complicity in the kidnapping 
> of the Ice Queen (or whatever she was called) and apparent lack of 
> real remorse over her death by Penguin?

Probably because she might represent some characteristics of "Womankind",
but is not meant to be some kind of Perfect Person to Represent the 
Feminists of the World.  Each character in that movie could represent
some basic archetype, but I don't think any of them is intended to be
a complete role model.  Except Alfred, of course.  He seemed to be a real
trooper.

GMS
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From: uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann)
Subject: Re: TERMINATOR II
Organization: Student Pool, CSD, University of Erlangen, Germany
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:58:11 GMT

gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris) writes:

>In article <64176@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:

>>Then there's the T1000.  It's a really neat idea, and it looks great on
>>the screen, but I don't see it happening.  Take *any* material.  At
>>a specific temp, pressure, etc, it will be in one state of matter.
>>Not two.  Yet this thing constantly changed it state of matter regardless
>>of the temp, pressure, etc.

>	You should look for some of the literature on nanotechnology.  Then you
>might sing a different tune.

I'm quite sure nonotechnologists don't say anything about T1000s. Sure,
you could do some pretty impressive stuff if you built machines atom by
atom. Sure, you could also build a holographical machine, being able to
regenerate and reorganize -- but not to this extent. There have to be
some specialized parts which have to be larger than "cellular", because
you cannot store enough information in such a little entity. We humans
can recover from injuries, too, but not if you blow our brains apart.
It's about as incredible there as the Thing from Another World.
You'd need pico- or femtotechnology. On sub-quantum, if there is any-
thing useful.


May the Giga-Cool be with You Instead!

(C)OOL mcmxcii
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From: tompalka@cray.com (thomas m. palka)
Subject: Re: Need Clockwork Orange Info
In-reply-to: bonness@cae.wisc.edu's message of 21 Jul 92 18:04:20 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc. Eagan MN.
Distribution: usa
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:57:26 CDT

In article <1992Jul21.130421.17670@doug.cae.wisc.edu> bonness@cae.wisc.edu (Matthew Bonness) writes:

   Can anyone refresh my memory - it's been a while since
   I last watched Stanley Kubrick's classic, and I can't
   exactly remember what music was used in what scenes.
   All I remember is that the William Tell overture finale
   was used in the hyper-fast scene. If anyone remembers
   the soundtrack details, please reply. Thanks.

There is the "Glorious Ninth" by Ludwig Van [Beethoven], and "Singing in
the Rain."  Those are the only two I remember..


tom
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From: malhotra@duke.cs.duke.edu (Manish Malhotra)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Worst Movies (Beetle-Juice ?? I enjoyed it)
Keywords: Movies, Worst
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:54:26 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Jul15.032131.1590@ccsd.uts.EDU.AU> swalker@uts.EDU.AU (S Walker) writes:
>I thought that 
>  Hudson Hawk
>& BeetleJuice
>should go down in the annals of worst movies ever made

I am surprised about "Beetle Juice". I thought it was a well-made
horror-comedy and Michael Keaton is really good in this.
I found it to be very funny, but then I have found horror-comedies
to be very amusing !
I would really like to know how others feel about this film.

Manish
From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: TERMINATOR II
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:39:26 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <y94fogx@Unify.Com>, by perry@Unify.Com (Perry Clarke):
> mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) wrote:
> My impression was that the Evil Forces Of Government (tm) kept the arm
> and the CPU secret from everyone and that only (the defense contractor?)
> CyberDyne was allowed to even know of its existence.  Hence, the hospital
> (or anyone else) knew of no evidence to support her wild story.

Well, since they gave the wreckage to Cyberdyne to build Skynet, the
Evil Forces Of Government (tm), knowing everything, chose not to
believe her either.  That's what I meant with "they" (sorry for the
ambiguity).
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University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
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From: Cliff Chaput <chaput@ils.nwu.edu>
Subject: Re: Need Clockwork Orange Info
Organization: Institute of Learning Sciences, Northwestern University
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:06:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.021222.5952@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> Mark Cook,
markc@hpcvxjme.cv.hp.com writes:
>It should be noted that separate, abridged sections of both Beethoven
>symphonies are used at least twice in the film, as are separate, abridged
>portions of Rossini's William Tell Overture.  In some cases, they are
>arranged for synthesizer by Walter Carlos, while in others, they are
>arranged for and played by traditional instruments.

It should also be noted that Walter Carlos is now Wendy Carlos.
(S)He also did the music for Tron, along with the now-notorious
"Switched-on Bach" et al.  I especially liked the synthesized voices
in the excerpts of "Ludwig Van's" 9th (in the record store scene with
those suggestive popsicles).

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From: cb366@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark B. Bendiksen)
Subject: Feverish Finale
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 18:46:13 GMT


I just saw _Jungle Fever_ for the first time this past weekend.
As with the other Spike Lee films I have seen (i.e. Do the
Right Thing, Mo' Better Blues), I was left with an uncomfortable
sense of uneasiness through much of the film while simultaneously
admiring the beauty of Lee's direction.

The problem is that although I personally dislike Mr. Lee's
egotism (as displayed in interviews, essay's he's written, etc.)
I am drawn to his films because of his craftmanship. However,
as genius as his directorial abilities are, he would do well
to take assistance in the screenwriting. I don't have a problem
with what Lee says, just how he says it. For some reason, his
dialogue lacks the edge it needs to match his sharp direction.
But, alas, this is a monologue for a different post.....

My question lies in the ending (**SPOILER AHEAD**)

Can someone tell me what the ending means? Or what it is?
I found myself turning to my wife and saying what was that?
Why does he grab the whore/crack addict/whatever and scream?
I'm sorry if my semi-closed mind missed something obvious, but
if someone could explain it to me I would appreciate it.

Thanks in advance,


Mark B. Bendiksen
cb366@freenet.cwru.edu
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From: alanj@ibmpcug.co.uk (Alan Jay)
Subject: Re: Old movies:  In theaters? CASABLANCA
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:44:00 GMT
Keywords: Classics movies theaters Los Angeles


They just rereleased CASABLANCA in the UK (brand new print
though the second reel is a bit mushy) the first week it
showed in the Empire Leceister Square [Big screen THX sound
etc].  It was fantastic to see a film like that in a REAL
cinema.

I recommend the experience.
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From: amberle@athena.mit.edu (Amberle S Ferrian)
Subject: Re: Audience Comments During Movies
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:52:10 GMT

In article <1410085@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> bartb@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Bart Bobbitt) writes:
>Over the years, I've heard a lot of funny comments from folks in movie
>audiences about what's happening on the screen.  Maybe readers might respond
>with their own funny stories. 

The only good part about seeing Highlander II (on opening night, no less)
for me was during the scene after MacLeod (sp?) turns young again and 
goes up to the movie's bimbo and says "I am Conner MacLeod of Clan 
MacLeod, I was born in the year 12(something), I cannot die..." She
throws herself at him and someone in the audience yells, "It works 
twice!" Only laugh in the movie (although you had to see the first
movie to get it.)
--
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<amberle@epx.cis.umn.edu>		Belle		
<amberle@athena.mit.edu>		  Walt Disney's BEAUTY AND THE BEAST
From: quang@diasonx.UUCP (Quang Ton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Howard's End
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:53:54 GMT
Reply-To: quang@diasonx.UUCP (Quang Ton)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Diasonics Inc. -- Milpitas, California

I've seen Howard's End but didnot like the movie at all despite raving reviews.
Does anyone out there feel the same way or is it just me being a lame brain ?
From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: heavy metal on cinema
Date: 25 Jul 92 09:55:25 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

DY>Since it's on the FAQ list that Heavy Metal isn't and almost certainly
DY>won't come out on video, I thought people might be interested to know
DY>that it's showing on Cinemax on July 29th at 1:40am.

     That's Eastern Standard Time.

DY>I caught the last segment ("Taara") early this morning and wasn't particularl
DY>impressed.  Admittedly, the animation was a step or two up from most
DY>of Saturday morning stuff, especially in the occasional attempts at showing

     "Heavy Metal" has earned its reputation as a cult film largely
     because it has never been released on video.  Thus, it's hard to
     actually find a copy of it, unless you want to pay $20 to $30 for
     a ninth-generation videotape copy at a science fiction con (rip-off!)
     or unless you have Cinemax yourself.

     IMHO, the first three segments of the movie, "Harry Canyon," "Den"
     and "Captain Stern" are the best.  The first one is a pretty good
     short science fiction story.  The second one looks like a typical
     "blood and guts" action story, but John Candy's naive teenage-style
     narration is terrific and makes it a real hoot.  "Captain Stern"
     is a tongue-and-cheek comedy that has a genuine twist ending; it
     was done by Berni Wrightson.  (It's also the only part of the movie
     with no sex or blood in it.)

     The graphic sex and blood also makes this movie popular among the
     teenage crowd.  On the whole, the movie is essentially mindless
     entertainment, with some good laughs.  And if you have a copy
     on video, then I guarantee that you'll find someone eventually
     who will want you to make a copy of it for them.
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From: Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Short Shameful Confession.
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:05:06 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> rpwhite writes:
> 
> I just shelled out $150 for two tickets to the world premiere of
> "Unforgiven".


I hope that a large part of this rather high admission fee goes to some
charity.

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From: intacc.uucp!jmacd@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Night of the Living Dead remake
Date: 21 Jul 92 07:18:00 GMT
Organization: Matrix Artists' Network
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
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In article <2517@nlsun1.oracle.nl> gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary 
Bradley)  writes:
>
>   Whatever happened to the remake of Romero's "Night of the Living
>Dead" that Tom Savini was doing. I read about this film a good while ago
>in Fangoria: the zombies looked excellent and apparently Romero was very
>pleased with the job Savini was doing. After that, nothing. Can anyone
>shed light??
>
  The remake was released in theaters in 1990 I believe, and is now on video.
 
Infact, here in Canada it was on the "First Choice" pay movie channel (kind 
of
like HBO in the States).  It's great.  A must-see!
 
  See ya... Jason MacDermott
jmacd@intacc.uucp