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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: HPFS question...
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:46:46 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <pkwjht#.rcain@netcom.com> rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>grendel@cis.ksu.edu (Stephen Spencer ) writes:
>: Okay.  'Ere we go... the $200 question: if I continue to use fat until I can
>: get more RAM, will I still be able to defrag them using norton or pctools
>: without harming the os/2 data?
>No, no and no.  No DOS utility that moves files may be used on a disk
>that contains EA DATA. SF with impunity.  Including any file (as opposed
>to disk image) restore.  EA's are *the* Achiles heel of compatability
>claims with DOS/Windows.  Do I get $200?
>If done from a DOS box under OS/2 I am probably totally wrong (I hope.)
>But don't even think of it from a DOS boot.
>Anybody know who gets the credit for EA's.  MS or IBM?

This is not true.  SpeedDisk (Norton) does indeed work fine.  So does
DOG (a shareware defragmenter).

If disaster does strike, and you somehow manage to fiddle with bits in
the directory entries, you can run CHKDSK /F from an OS/2 floppy boot
and you should be OK.

The EA DATA. SF file actually contains the extended attribute
information (including which files which attributes go with); the
extra directory bits merely indicate that a given file has extended
attributes.  The key is not the directory bits, it is the EA DATA. SF
file.  OS/2 CHKDSK /F should reattach them should something disastrous
happen.

That's why even defragmenting the EA DATA. SF file itself works.

CHKDSK /F also works in reverse, namely if the EA DATA. SF file
somehow gets corrupted (and the extended attribute for a file is
lost), a file with the extra directory bits indicating it has an
extended attribute will be flagged an unmarked.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong -- this is an important issue.
-- 
Timothy F. Sipples       Keeper of the OS/2 Frequently Asked Questions
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu  List, available via anonymous ftp from
Dept. of Economics       128.123.35.151, directory pub/os2/faq, or via
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From: ahoi@vipunen.hut.fi (Arto J Hoikkala)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.windows.ms
Subject: Win & OS/2 question form
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:27:20 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland


 
Hi Windows or OS/2 user. Would you like to share your opinions
and knowlegde of PC-operating systems? R)eply to this form and
I will post summary into net. If you have no idea or opinion of
an answer just leave that "?" untouched.
 
Oh, do not accidentally F)ollowup, we don't want that.
 
Summary includes:	Windows users answers (averaged).
			OS/2 users answers (averaged).
			All answers averaged.
 
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			  Windows		     OS/2
 
Fill with: YES / NO
 
Currently I use:	3.0  ?			1.3  ?
(or beta)		3.1  ?			2.0  ?
 
Fill with: N=No / P=Poor / F=Fair / G=Good / V=Very good / E=Excellent
 
Application avail.	3.0  ?			1.3  ?
(all apps)		3.1  ?			2.0  ?
			NT   ?			2.x  ?
 
Application avail.	3.0  ?			1.3  ?
(native apps)		3.1  ? (3.0 apps?)	2.0  ?
			NT   ?			2.x  ? (2.0 apps?)
 
 
GUI usability:
 
(GUI) General		3.0  ?			1.3  ?
			3.1  ?			2.0  ?
			NT   ?			2.x  ?
 
(GUI) Configurability	3.0  ?			1.3  ?
			3.1  ?			2.0  ?
			NT   ?			2.x  ?
 
(GUI) File handling	3.0  ?			1.3  ?
			3.1  ?			2.0  ?
			NT   ?			2.x  ?
 
(GUI) Object oriented	3.0  ?			1.3  ?
features		3.1  ?			2.0  ?
			NT   ?			2.x  ?
 
 
Compability:
 
Compability		3.0  ?			1.3  ?
(DOS apps)		3.1  ?			2.0  ?
			NT   ?			2.x  ?
 
Compability		3.0  ?			1.3  ?
(Win apps)		3.1  ?			2.0  ?
			NT   ?			2.x  ?
 
Compability		3.0  ?			1.3  ?
(OS/2 apps)		3.1  ?			2.0  ?
			NT   ?			2.x  ? 
 
 
Performance:
 
System			3.0  ?			1.3  ?
			3.1  ?			2.0  ?
			NT   ?			2.x  ?
 
Native applications	3.0  ?			1.3  ?
			3.1  ?			2.0  ?
			NT   ?			2.x  ?
 
 
General crash prot.:	No / Poor / Fair / Good / Very good / Excellent
Protects itself/apps	no /  Sometimes	 /     Usually	    / almost always
 
Protection		3.0  ?			1.3  ?
(DOS apps)		3.1  ?			2.0  ?
			NT   ?			2.x  ?
 
Protection		3.0  ?			1.3  --
(Win apps)		3.1  ?			2.0  ?
			NT   ?			2.x  ?
 
Protection		3.0  --			1.3  ?
(OS/2 apps)		3.1  --			2.0  ?
			NT   ?			2.x  ?
 
 
Hardware needed to gain Poor to Fair / Good to Very good / Excellent
performance:
 
Processor eg. 286/386/486 
			3.0  ?/?/?		1.3  ?/?/?
			3.1  ?/?/?		2.0  ?/?/?
			NT   ?/?/?		2.x  ?/?/?
 
RAM MBs e.g. 2/4/6	3.0  ?/?/?		1.3  ?/?/?
			3.1  ?/?/?		2.0  ?/?/?
			NT   ?/?/?		2.x  ?/?/?
 
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Arto
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From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Not all press coverage has been bad...
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:13:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

spr@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian P Ruta) writes:
: 
: It scares me when I see this fanaticism about.....an operating system?
: I wish IBM the best, because if they do well it will only (hopefully)
: benefit us in their undertaking of more R&D.  We can do our part to
: educate the masses (those who use Dos+Win because they don't know any
: better) but I have to try to keep things in perspective.  
: 

Sebastian,  Good post.  I think we are seeing something akin to the
small town football rivalries between neighboring towns.  In college,
it is somewhat ritualized but in H.S. it is honest to god hate.  This
competion has been masterfully hyped by both side's top brass until
a state of frenzy exists.  I love it.  It's adrenlin pumping, exhuberant
kickass, nasty excitement.  Good job, both coaches as far as I can see.
We have our cheerleaders, our cheering sections and the crowd is getting
carried along with the excitement just as planned.  I mean, you just
have to take sides. Then scream for blood.  AAAARRRRGGGGG!

Is the game rigged?  I really don't think so.  It's win/win so long as
they get us in the gate and from where I sit it looks like they are
packing the stands.  I mean, how many potential buyers aren't buying
at least one of these products?  Instead of "should I" they've made it
"which one".  And the real coin is collected at the concession stand
anyway.  And yes, being essentially advertising organs, the mags are
in on it all the way.  Just MHO of course. ;-)
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: smsmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Smith)
Subject: Re: OS/2 Questions (Not on the FAQ)
Keywords: OS/2 2.0, Monitors, S3, etc.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:14:58 GMT

>>What MIDI and sound support is included with OS/2 2.0 GA? Will windows
>>programs that currently use custom device drivers to access MIDI be likely to
>>function under OS/2 2.0?
>
>Not too much is included (yet -- the OS/2 Multimedia Extensions are
>coming) with OS/2 2.0 itself.  Windows programs that utilize the
>Windows Multimedia Extensions work fine under OS/2 2.0.  DOS/Windows
>programs that use custom device drivers to access MIDI, as you ask,
>are indeed likely to work fine.

Ballade works fine in a full-screen DOS session with an MT-32/LAPC-1.
From: slhpv@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: CAD under GA...?
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:01:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Apr13.160146.54441
Organization: Utah State University


I hate to add traffic to this newsgroup, but here it goes...

What 1280x1024 cards are supported/announced by OS/2?
(Don't like windows, so don't need seamless support)

What tablets are supported/announced?

Will Autocad work under OS/2 or do I have to dual-boot to dos?

What does the OS/2 V2 Developer's Toolkit contain?  (is $119 a good price?)

All questions are for OS/2 V2 GA....

	-Dave Dunn
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: vandendo@qucis.queensu.ca (Christian Vandendorpe)
Subject: Re: i don't like it!!
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 20:52:20 GMT

Actually I kinda like the WPS. I got started with OS/2 with 6.167 and it
didnt take long at all until I was a WPS master   :-)  (well not quite
like that). I think it is easy to use and doesnt take that long to get
used to it. I surely much prefer it to the windows interface (dont you
hate when you try to click on an icon and you actually move it?? arggh).
I dont know about the shell in 1.3 but this one is great!

Christian


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From: bvan@ncs.dnd.ca (Bryan Van Blaricom)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Windows NT
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:28:22 GMT
Organization: DND, Ottawa, CANADA

In article <+vrj8z#.rcain@netcom.com> rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>I'll bet I have seen a dozen sarcastic postings taken seriously here and
>in other fora this week.  We have to realize that sarcasm does not even
>translate into some cultures or even some US educations.  I had the luck
>to be raised by a master of the form but someone without much exposure
>easily perceives it real and then feels foolish.  So, careful folks. 
>To be safe across an international network prefix it with "sarcasm on:"
>or some such. Let's agree on a sarcasty symbol.
>
>Nominations being accepted under thread "Sarcasty Symbol Cascade".
>
>Bob

   Somehow, sarcasm seems to lose some of its bite and humour when prefaced
by "I AM ABOUT TO BE SARCASTIC NOW", hehe.  I wonder if "sarcasm off" AFTER
the post would serve the purpose?

   OS/2 should be in the stores here in Ottawa in a week or so.  I'm
fortunate in knowing the techs in Nu-Infotek, the store downstairs.  The
salespeople in the store know as much about OS/2 as salespeople seem to in
general (i.e. diddly), but both the techs have been closely following the
OS battles, and plan to install and practice with it if for no other reason
than to know what they're talking about when asked questions about it by
their customers.  It's nice to have some support that way :-).

Bryan
From: becap@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian CAPSON)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Microsoft and Me
Date: 4 Apr 92 21:24:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr4.212420.15931
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada

>In article <12260@umd5.umd.edu> adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir) writes:
>>My only bitch with Microsoft is the fact that they will be embedding code in
>>future applications (Excel, Word, etc) which will make sure that Windows apps
>>will run faster in Windows 3.1 than in OS/2 2.0.  If the speed difference was
>>actually due to 3.1 superiority in running apps, it would not be a problem.
>>But the fact that they are willing to actually 'cheat' to make Windows run
>>Microsoft's Windows apps better is pathetic.  While this may seem like a
>>stretch, I believe that this is exactly the type of BS that has resulted in
>>the downfall of our country.  The fact that our government even allows this
>>type of bull is extremely unfortunate.  If, instead of embedding code in
>>the programs to mess things up for OS/2, they ACTUALLY put some real work into
>>development and made Windows run things better, everyone would benefit from it.
This is the biggest bunch of bullshit that I've ever heard in my life.
And the fact that you're trying to pass it off as fact makes you look
like an idiot. What makes you such an authority on Microsoft's code
writing practices? Sounds like you're trying to ponder off some
lame-brained excuse for why OS/2 runs Windows apps (and by extension,
the majority of its apps) so poorly. Blame it on Microsoft! Nice
try, but you're only kidding yourself (and those OS/2 die-hards also looking
for performance excusesm and the chance to take the wind out of MS's
sails).

- Brian
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: unruh@physics.ubc.ca (William Unruh [Unruh])
Subject: Herculese programs and OS2
Summary: Does OS2 support Herculese programs in Dos Box?
Keywords: Herculese, video , VGA, 
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:26:45 GMT

I have a number of old programs (which I use) which run on the Herculese
video. With my VGAwonder I can switch into Herc mono mode and run them.
Will I be able to run them in a Dos box in OS2?
Bill Unruh
unruh@physics.ubc.ca
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Microsoft wins
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:53:46 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <11900@tamsun.tamu.edu> bdubbs@neuron.tamu.edu writes:
>
>Maybe thats equivalent to including EDLIN.  Throw in someing thats not
>worth anything.

Oh, by the way...  Anyone know if 2.0 includes EDLIN?  I remember
using it in 1.3 once....  :-)



-- 
David Charlap                   Q:"Where do these stairs go?"
dic5340@hertz.njit.edu          A:"They go up"
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From: adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: ati accelerators
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:29:47 GMT

In article <92097.101301MTC107@psuvm.psu.edu> MTC107@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> I am running 6.304 on  a Local-Bus configuration from Orchid which  
utilizes
> their 1280/D accelerator card which is S3 based.  I received the machine  
with
> Windows on it, and it operated at a speed which made windows usable.   
Presently
> I am not able to take advantage of the power due to a lack of drivers.   
However
> Orchid has promised to provide me with beta drivers within 3 weeks.   
With a
> little adjustment to the system.ini file I am able to run full-screen  
windows
> session utilizing the Orchid drivers already available. I will let you  
know how
> I make out once I receive the OS/2 drivers.  Even without the drivers I  
am very
> impressed with the performance of the machine.
> About the configuration I am running:
>     Orchid Superboard 486/33
>     256K cache
>     Orchid Fahrenheit 1280/D (D is for Direct or Local-Bus)
>     16MB Ram
>     Quantum 240MB HD w/256K cache
> 
> Mark Cordrey

This has nothing to do with your graphics card or anything, I was just  
wondering wther the Quantum 240meg w/256 cache drive you have is model  
number LPS240AT.  If so, what is the performance like of it?  Is it fast?   
What kind of controller do you have hooked up to it...a regular old IDE?

Thanks...

				- Al
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David R. Giller)
Subject: Re: IDE vs. SCSI
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 05:15:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.071310.1@email.bony.com> eguerrino@email.bony.com writes:
>I have an Impulse 105MB SCSI drive in my system
>that I have not been able to access since installing 6.177.
>It came with an "MC200S" SCSI controller. I did have drivers
>for OS/2 1.3 that worked fine until I started with the beta.
>I was all prepared to wait several more weeks for the vendor
>to send me drivers for the 2.0 GA. Surprisingly, and I mean
>very surprisingly, after I installed the GA code yesterday,
>my Impulse drive was back online! I did not even know it was
>there until I inadvertently entered "dir f:" when I meant
>to enter "dir e:". When I got back the directory listing, I
>was confused at first until I realized I was looking as a 
>directory of my SCSI and not a partition on one of my standard
>PS/2 drives. It appears that the builtin SCSI support under 2.0
>automatically recognized both the SCSI adapter and the drive.
>I have done some testing with the drive and everything appears
>to be working correctly as far as I/O is concerned. I guess I
>don't need the vendor's driver any more and don't have to 
>wait for it. 
>eric

Kudos to Team OS/2 for getting us this no-nonsense SCSI support!

Has anyone done any tests to measure the performance difference between
the INT13 and native drivers?  I'm curious as to how much performance is lost
going the real mode route.

Also, does anyone know IBM's policy about supporting third party controller
manufacturers who want to write drivers?  Is the source to a working SCSI
driver available?  Is it free?

I want to convince Mylex to write some drivers for their EISA SCSI cards.

-Dave
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: werner@abmx.rz.rwth-aachen.de
Subject: SCSI WD7000 Help Needed!
Reply-To: werner@abmx.rz.rwth-aachen.de
Organization: RZ RWTH Aachen, Germany
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 06:37:28 GMT


Hi, to all readers of this board!

Has anyone tried a WD7000 SCSI host adapter with OS2/V2.0 GA
and knows, how to install it?
Are there any 'special quirks' with that thing.
I'm concerned about 'additional hardware costs' that can have
a big impact on OS/2's success.

I would appreciate any help/report/experiences about the WD7000
in this board's newsgroup or by E-mail (werner@rwth-aachen.de)

Thanx 4 Ur help,

	Bernhard
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: au141@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Amber M. Spillers)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: general questions regarding OS/2
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:27:38 GMT
Reply-To: au141@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Amber M. Spillers)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


  These may be in an FAQ but I have not seen one here for two weeks so I
will go ahead and ask.

"ill behaved dos programs": I currently run QEMM 6.02 and DESQview 2.42
and there are many programs (mostly games) that simply will ot run
properly under DESQview.  also I have yet to find a program which can
effectevly use the mouse under DESQview (it gets caught in the middle of
and Xor and I get ghost mouse cursors all over the place).  if I run
OS/2 will i have these problems?  will I be able to dust off my rodent
and put it back in active service again?

avalibility of OS/2 shareware: where is it?  can it be found on the
internet and if so where? I have looked at washinton university arxchive
and not found any but it is a big place and I may have missed it.

multitasking: will OS/2 be able to inetrupt dos DURING an interupt? if
so congradulations to IBM I am sold.  if not I guess I will still have
to stop oter processes to format a disk in less than 5 minutes. (of
course this applies to much more than just formatting disks)

boot disks:  do they exist?  can an OS/2 kernel fit on a HD disk?
(windows sure won't)

OS/2 programming: if this is my new operating system I will have to
learn how to program it.  what do I need?  it is as simple as dos and I
just find a compiler and I can do everything I need from there or do I
need development kits and such. (seeing as how I am a student I would
appreciate a inexpensive solution here)

  all in all I am exteremely excited about OS/2 2.0 finally I will have
a reentrant OS.  I will be able to do real programming and just fork off
my processes (yes a real SPAWNVPE(P_NOWAIT....).  this may be the true
dawn of a new PC OS or it may be a flop cuse it crashes a lot.  I have
grown used to multitaking under UNIX and DESQview but I have gotten very
tired of DESQviews inherent flaws (you can only do so much with DOS!)
and unix is nice but I really don't have $2000 for a OS and development
system (as well as a 300 meg hardrive for the OS).  I hope anyone who
can answer one or more of my qurstions could respond to me here or via
E-mail.


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: kyl@polari.com
Subject: Re: Windows NT
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:35:46 GMT

In article <9792@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu> sarnold@bgsu.edu (G. Steve Arnold) writes:
>> Come on you guys!  How could anything exist befor Microsoft invented it?
>> Don;t you know that MS invented the operating system concept, semaphores,
>> multi-tasking, and all the other technology related software?  Quite
>> possibly they also invented C adn C++.  Ask any Microsoft employee.
>> Sounds like a good old days when IBM invented everything.
>
>
>	I'm sorry, I hate to be a bastard, but I just CAN'T let this 
>one by....
>
>	UNIX, a Multitasking Operating system written IN C by the 
>folks at BELL LABS, was written  over 20 YEARS AGO -- before microsoft
>was a twitch in anybodies daddy's pants.
>

SIGH!  I did not think anybody is xxxxxx enough to bite this.  Unbelievable!
I am sorry, Steve, I forgot to incluede a preamble:

"The following posting includes an adult material.  Minors without a guardian
(interpreter) is not allowed to read it."

By the way, I have a very nice bridge in Brooklyn that I would like to sell
for a real good price.  I am sure you are interested, Steve.  Please give
me a call.  Oh, I forgot.  The above is meant to be sarcastic.  I really
do not have a bridge to sell.
 
>Win 3 now, will consider OS/2 when released. I'm just wondering what
>planet you took your CS classes on.
 ^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^

I was teaching CS classes on the planet earth, presumably when you were learning
how to write RPG programs.

Kyu Y. Lee
kyl@polari.uunet
>
>
>steve
>
>
>-- 
>   The only difference between a Communist        G. Steve Arnold
>   and a Socialist is that the Socialist will     Dept. Math and Stats.
>   only confiscate the resources that are         BGSU
>   profitable.                                    sarnold@andy.bgsu.edu
>                        "Keep circulating the tapes"


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: chawdry@cis.ohio-state.edu (rehan nisar chawdry)
Subject: Different OS/2 2.0 shells
Originator: chawdry@toto.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 02:17:14 GMT

OK, so far with OS/2 2.0, I've read that you can use either the WPS or the
regular OS/2 1.3/Windows interface.  Is it possible for someone, say Apple,
to write a shell that operates exactly like a Macintosh.  Not that I'd want
to run it or anything, just wondering if it could be done -- i.e. always
have the menu bar across the top, same way of displaying icons, menus, dialog
boxes, etc., etc.  

	-- Rehan --