From: kdj@sw.stratus.com (Ken Jordan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:49:50 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.


Reid,
I agree in principal with your statement.  One cannot control the actions of
others on the net.  It's unfortunate that Mikki chose to use profanity
and personal attacks at all (not to mention in a public forum).  

However, I'm concerned when one side of the (no) "religion" story is expressed
on the net.  And, usually that side is negative to religion.  This newsgroup
was created to talk about kids, where raising kids - including religious
questions/issues as they concern children - is part of it.  You cannot
(should not) separate the 2, these are very real and important issues in
our society today.

My suggestion is not to stop any particular discussion if it is applicable
to the newsgroup.  Rather, we should control the discussions (threads) 
and keep them at a civilized level.

I've been on the net for a long time and understand that there are those
who will send a reply while their emotions are out of control.  We're human
and therefore have human frailties.  One of the difference between adults
and children is the adult knows when it's better to hold the tongue, calm
down, then proceed to talk (as an adult).  I would be willing to guess that
all spouses have had to control their responses to the other at times...
at least i hope they do :-)

To avoid discussions because there are those who lack this control is counter
productive to the newsgroups purpose.  I noticed the .signature because
the thread in misc.kids was on religion and the posting was by a
proclaimed atheist. I found that rather peculiar.  My apologies for
introducing this "atheist" twist on the original thread.  I agree that
this modified thread should be discontinued in this newsgroup.

However, I do feel that we should be able to have reasonable, intelligent
discussions on the net without getting hot under the collar.  Perhaps 
those individuals who do get hot under the collar should think, wait
before they post and try to demonstrate better self-control.

Ken
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In article <1992Jul29.150521.26147@ttinews.tti.com>, reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
> In article <2A7490E8.2F9E@intercon.com> ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry) writes:
> >In article <5154@transfer.stratus.com>, kdj@sw.stratus.com (Ken Jordan) 
> >writes:
> >> I don't understand your entire meaning above and I don't think I want to.
> >> However, Christian religion has not harmed children.  Perhaps your childhood
> >> or those around you who had difficult childhoods blame it on religion. I'm
> >> sorry if this is your lasting impression. 
> >
> >Bullshit.  I can cite you hundreds of examples of the xtian religion directly 
> >injuring children (and adults for that matter).  If you like, I'll start 
> >gathering them all and posting them to the net.  
> >
> >> Your .signature is inaccurate.  There is no such thing as an atheist (see
> >> Romans 1), but there are those who are unenlightened.  Remember, you can
> >> only serve one master!  If you are not serving God, who are you serving?
> >
> >YOU seem to be the inaccurate one.  My god says that there is no such thing 
> >as a xtian.  Only those who are unenlightened.  I suggest you enlighten 
> >yourself immediately and begin the worship of Eris.
> 
> This is exactly why so many of us hate to see religion brought into 
> discussions in groups like misc.kids.  With few exceptions, religious
> discussions very quickly get out of the "here's how we do it" vein, and 
> into "you're all going to Hell, and my God can beat up your God" snits.
> 
> Could we cool it for a while?  Can we all get along here?
> 
> =====================================================================
> Reid Kneeland
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> 
> Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.

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Ken Jordan    kdj@sw.stratus.com|"Daddy, daddy, look, a spagito bit me", 
Stratus Computer        	|"Da-da, wa-wa" - partial conversations
Marlboro, MA, USA      		| with my kids...
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