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From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Request for vaporization pipe design..
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:37:06 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Sep1.044739.17804@colorado.edu>, parsavan@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Dara Parsavand) writes:
> A while back, a few people posted that they were interested in a method
> to vaporize marijuana without burning it in a manner analogous to R.J.
> Reynolds failed smokeless cigarrete design.  If someone was willing
> to use a lighter or flame source that was on for longer periods of time
> then a match to heat up something like whatever R.J. Reynolds used
> to supply the hot gas - what possible designs are there for delivering
> such a vapor to the user in a supposedly much less harmful form than 
> smoke.

It would be hard to vaporise marijuana in its normal form. If I wished
to do this, I would start with hash, or make hash oil from the
green stuff. This could then be quite effectively vaporised in
a base pipe. A base pipe is a glass tube with e.g. a spherical
chamber at one end with a hole for loading. One places the
material to be vaporised in the sphere with the hole at the
side, then heats from below, inhaling the vapours through
the attached tube. A makeshift version could be made simply
by heating a glass tube and placing a short kink at one
end:
 y
   \            Load material at point z
 \  \           Allow material to reach point x
  \  \          Apply heat (from lighter) continuously at point w
   \  \         While inhaling from point y
    \  \      z
     \  \  /
      \  \/  /
       \  x /
        \__/
          w 

Presumably such a technique reduces the combustion products
(which are likely to be the most harmful) and decreases the
effective amount (i.e. makes the stuff go further.)
I have not tried this.

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
From: ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: The best hash I've ever
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:27:30 GMT
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)

In <1992Sep2.133307.10758@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:

>In article <1992Sep2.120840.4104@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.or
> (Keith Lewis) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep1.173901.27361@dragon.acadiau.ca>, 901371d@dragon.aca
>iau.ca (Di Dio) writes:
>>> Maybe someone dropped some liquid acid on the hash,I'm not sure if you
>>>can inhail it,but I really suspect that you can take that wonder drug
>>>anyway you please!  
>>
>>I don't know if you can smoke LSD.  My guess is no.
>>
>>Back around 1984 or 1985, there was a media scare (urban legend alert) a
>out
>>a new drug called "Love Boat" which was actually marijuana sprayed with 
>CP.
>>
>>From the (very few) subjective accounts of PCP use I've read, it seems t

>>resemble LSD a lot more than THC.  Perhaps there was dust in your hash. 

> My guess is that it was DMT. That has been a common thing to spray
>inferior pot with DMT. People I know had some a few times. They called it
>"trip weed". (Imagine that...)

I thought they spray bad weed with horse tranq. I am under the impression
that if you have weed that doesn't smell too fresh (that yummy, sticky
smell) yet end up tripping uncontrollably for 2 hours, then the weed was
"tranqued".

>T

Shckwish!




>>


>>
>>Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"

>St. Anthony




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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: TIHKAL?
Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:01:02 GMT

   Has the book come out yet? If it has, where could it be ordered from?
If not, does anyone have any idea when it might?
-- 
Jani Heinonen
jah@mits.mdata.fi
From: hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu (Paul Hagstrom)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Trip tapes (audio) and trading dubs?
Date: 6 Sep 92 14:52:51 GMT
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How Negativland could have missed the mention is beyond me.  Listen to a Big  
10-8 Place or Escape From Noise, I'd say, though any of them are good.

--
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(hagstrop@carleton.edu)
Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:23:18 -0400 
From: Michael Lorenz Holling <mh2o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Radio material?

Hello,
Our radio station here at CMU, WRCT FM, has decided to have a theme for
each month, and air programming related to that theme.  I've managed to
get November designated as "drug month".  Now I need programming.  I'm
interested in:

- Pre-recorded materials such as Public Service announcements or
informational shows
- Recordings of lectures, speakers, or interviews
- People who are willing to be interviewed, either locally or over the phone
- Contacts to any of the above

Mainly I'd like to cover legal aspects and the WoD, but anything related
to drugs would do.  Also addresses where I can get propaganda/info from
organizations such as the PDFA and NORML, etc.

Please send all replies to mh2o@andrew.cmu.edu

Thanks,
- Mike
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: JDs (was Re: Clinton in _Rolling Stone_ ...)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:56:05 GMT

frazier@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Gregory Frazier) writes:
: bill nelson (billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com) wrote:
: : starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) writes:
: : : 
: : : I've excerpted the paragraph I object to in an otherwise agreeable post.
: : : 
: : : Absent drug prohibition, would youth gangs be able to afford automatic weapons?
: : 
: : Possibly. There would always be something else illegal that they could sell.
: : Do they have automatic weapons, or is it a bunch of WOD hype?
: 
: Trust an Angelino - they do have automatic weapons.  So does
: everybody else around here; show up on New Years, when everybody
: gives their arsenal some celebratory exercise...

OK - maybe I should have been clearer. Please define an automatic weapon.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: magick@iastate.edu (Magick Man)
Subject: LSD recipies
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:16:58 GMT

I'm interested in the morning glory/baby woodrose formula for making an LSD
derivitive as described in the Anarchist's Cookbook. I'm worried about
ingesting it without making sure it is safe. If someone can give me any methods
to make sure this is safe, please mail me.

magick@iastate.edu

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
Subject: Re: Heroin
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 01:46:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.194154.21687@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
>
>
> For those interested in the synthesis of Fentanyl analogs take a look at
>his article: Arznimittel-Forschung 26(8), p 1521 (1976).
> One analog is 7682 times as potent as morphine!

Are you sure it's not only 7681 times?  (When I read this many
significant figures I tend to think the whole thing is made up.  Could
just be a good chemist who's bad at math.  Or can they really determine
"potency" to one part in 8000?)

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Heroin
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 19:41:54 GMT



 For those interested in the synthesis of Fentanyl analogs take a look at
his article: Arznimittel-Forschung 26(8), p 1521 (1976).
 One analog is 7682 times as potent as morphine!

St. Anthony

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From: RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Legality of mushroom cultivation
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:19:35 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories


In article <79680@ut-emx.uucp> jsb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jeremy Seth Byrn) 
writes:

> I've just begun the process for growing psilocybe shrooms, and I expect
> that it will be a full two months before I have any shrooms in my
> possession (if ever).  I've never heard of any laws regarding the 
> growing/possession of these mushrooms however.  I have to assume that
> growing them is legal, since I bought the spores and kit for them at
> a legitimate store here in town, but does anyone know about US law
> in regard to the possession/consumption of them?  Not that I'm really
> worried, but I don't wanna go around boasting about what a great batch
> of shrooms I have if they're technically illegal.

I don't know about US or TX laws, but in Mass. psilocybin, as well as any 
type of naturally occuring fruiting body that might contain it, is a 
controlled substance, and I'm pretty sure it's the same under Texas and US 
laws.

In regards to the spores, I guess because they don't actually contain 
psilocybin they're completely legal, just don't let them grow into 
something nasty and evil  ; ^ )

...and for what it's worth, according to the Mass. Controlled Substances 
Act not only do they outline fines and jailtime but civil forfeiture comes 
into play, allowing them (the infamous 'them') to snatch up books, 
materials, property, etc.

I suggest you give up your wicked life of crime and perversion, start 
smoking cigarettes and drinking heavily and watch lots and lots of TV like 
a good little Amerikkkan.

Rob

Rob Robertson
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From: luckey@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Jon Luckey)
Subject: Re: New designer drug
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 00:06:00 GMT

aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:


> Before the chemists out there turn on their flamers, I want to correct an
>error in my last post on this subject. I said something about OXIDATION of
>cathinone into ephedrine, but I MEANT REDUCTION. How could I have been so
                ^^^^^^^^^
>silly?

Wow, does this mean that people can turn SUDAFED into cathinone just
oxidizing it?  :)


Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns
From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: JDs (was Re: Clinton in _Rolling Stone_ ...)
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:42:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.224412.24310@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>The point is, it is relatively easy to get a semi-automatic weapon. Automatic
>weapons are far harder to obtain - I suspect many of them are stolen from
>military armories.

Not in the US; illegal manufacture is more popular.  (Many of the
"stolen" guns are actually sold by the relevant personnel.)  Smuggling
is also catching on.

Note that conversion is quite rare.  Everyone seems to think that it's
easy and knows "someone" who will do it, but the criminal justice
system stats disagree.  The idea seems to come from a confusion of
form with function, not unlike that found in people who think that
their local car dealer sells cars just like those used in stock car
races.

Since 1934, guns that can be readily converted to full-auto have been
regulated as if they were converted.  "Readily" has been interpreted
by the courts to include 8 hours of work by a competent machinist with
appropriate equipment.  (We don't know how much more time/effort the
courts will go for; that's a lower bound.  It is a somewhat absurd
lower bound, as one can make a full-auto from scratch in less time.)

Every time I post this, someone insists I'm wrong, that it's easy to
convert guns to full-auto, that anyone with a screwdriver or a file
can do it in 10 minutes.  My response each time is the same; put up or
shut up.  I'll pay $3k plus up to $2k expenses to anyone who can
demonstrate such a conversion to me or a surrogate of my choosing.
(The demonstrator must provide evidence showing that the gun converted
started out as a sold-as semi-auto in the US.)  I still have my money.

Yes, I know about the books/videos showing how to convert various
guns.  The methods described don't work.  Those books are a perfect
form of consumer fraud because there's no legal way to complain.

>Also, you can fire a semi-automatic almost as fast as an
>automatic weapon - it is just tiring on the finger.

If this was true, one could reliably get single shots out of automatic
weapons by just letting off, but that's not true for most.  Typical
instantaneous cycle rates start from 600 shots/minute and go up, but
the effective rate of fire is much lower because it is dominated by
reload time.

-andy
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David James Hahn)
Subject: Re: New designer drug
Originator: hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Reply-To: hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 19:43:13 GMT

From article <1992Sep2.140132.12434@news.media.mit.edu>, by pierre@media.mit.edu (Pierre St. Hilaire):
> In article <1992Sep2.132849.10472@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
>>
>> This is really strange. I have never heard of this drug. Not even it's
>>(sort-of) chemical name. I must admit that it sounds bogus. Certainly the
>>ingredients listed are not a complete list.
> 
> 	Cathinone is a naturally found amphetamine-type stimulant. It
> comes from the plant Khat, commonly used in Yemen and the middle-east. It
> sounds plausible than metcathinone should also be an amphetamine-type sti-
> mulant related to cathinone, the same way methamphetamine is related to am-
> phetamine.
> 
> 					Pierre St Hilaire
> 					MIT Media Laboratory

Just curious, is Khat a leaf, where one gets the high by chewing on it?

-- 
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 		   University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
		         hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
From: dadmun@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Dreams & Bud
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:23:57 GMT
Reply-To: dadmun@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

In article <BtzGtK.HMM@ais.org>, dc@ais.org (David Daniels) writes:
>Does anyone notice a huge difference in the way you dream while high, than
>when sober, or is it just me?  When I go to sleep high, I seem to be able to
>remember a lot of my dreams, and they are more intence (nightmares, etc.)...
>Never can remember them much, but I'm sure if it wasn't the phone that
>usually wakes me up, and I had more time to think about them I would easily
>be able to... Normally I can't remember my dreams at all, and if I do it is
>only one... 
>
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For me it's just the opposite.  When I quite smoking for a while - say
a week.  My dreams start coming back to my memory.  When I am high for
a continuos period (smoking atleast once a day) my dreams are less intense
and I usually don't remember them longer than 1/2 hour after I wake up.
When not high I remember several dreams from the night before, and when
I am high maybe one like I said.  I think the reason is that when high
the brain has the activity more or less on the same level as a banana,
and when not high the activity is a bit larger than that ;^)  Anyway, 
I also find that if I go to bed high, I have a much harder time waking
up the next day - like this morning for example.  I woke up one minute 
before my alarm went off, I turned it off, and went back to sleep for
a good half hour.  Alas...

Andy D.

Why no go mad?
From: baez@ucrmath.ucr.edu (john baez)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: MDMA
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:46:49 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <MedLnXS00Vp8I4qEQA@andrew.cmu.edu> am2o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alexander Samuel McDiarmid) writes:
>find the previousnote for context.
>
>	I understand (first hand accounts) that it is lots of fun (say more
>than coke), however the side effect is altzheimers disease (sp?, i can't
>remember)

I'd love to hear some of those first-han accounts of MDMA causing 
Altzheimer's disease.  Or can't you remember them either?  :-)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs
From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)
Subject: Re: JDs (was Re: Clinton in _Rolling Stone_ ...)
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:52:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.140134.16940@news.cs.indiana.edu> "Paul Hager" <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
}
}Point taken.  To the extent that sophisticated weaponry has found its
}way into youth gangs, the black-market money from drug dealing is
}probably the most important component.  And, I agree that recruiting
}kids to be mules is a direct result of prohibition.
}
}>Not as much as with drug prohibition.
}
}>Youth gangs aren't necessarily a problem.  They're a problem if they engage in
}>impermissible activity, in which case the recourse is to criminalize the
}>activity and enforce the law, or if they engage in immoral activity, in which
}>case legal recourse is ineffective and inappropriate.  Persuasion and
}>education must be relied upon, and perhaps other consensual activities.  There
}>is no place for the state in this.
}
}Here is where you and I part company.  Negative sanctions, when they are
}applied, are not effective.  Enforcing the law, assuming a libertarian
}utopia in which there are no sumptuary laws, is not going to deal with
}the underlying causes of delinquency and youth gangs.  We're talking
}about a sociological/anthropological phenomenon and idealized
}conceptions of rational individuals choosing behavior on the basis of
}utilities offer, at best, grossly inadequate explanations.

Don't get me wrong - I don't believe that the criminal and vicious activity
of youth gangs will be symptoms cured by mere law enforcement.  I merely
object to statist education and health treatments for these problems.

}I happen to believe that the underlying causes of youth gangs can be
}identified and treated.  I also believe that the evidence is that
}that there is an appropriate role for government to play in this process.
}Ultimately, correcting the problems pays dividends for society so
}there is a "profit" in taking action, but it is not the sort of
}profit that appeals to private industry.

I agree that the root causes are identifiable and treatable; I merely
disagree as to the efficacy of statist intervention and the inefficacy of
private assistance.

}>You note drug use as trivial, but marketing and distribution are highly
}>correlated with youth gangs.
}
}The gangs, given that they already are dissaffected with the dominant
}normative structure, easily fit into a prohibition-driven black
}market.  My only point is that eliminated the black market will only
}reduce the monetary power of gangs but little else.

Now it's my turn to admit the point taken.


Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly
starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu

"True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten
oneself and others." - Voltaire
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From: murray@sun13.scri.fsu.edu (John Murray)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,misc.legal,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Fort Wayne: Landlords Must Evict Drug-Dealing Tenants
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:30:12 GMT
Reply-To: murray@sun13.scri.fsu.edu (John Murray)
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <65186@cup.portal.com> Amiga@cup.portal.com (Philip Barry Kirschner) writes:
<I am not to sure that confiscation or fines within is within the constitution
<of the united state's as a person is innocent untill proven guilty under the
<law.This law in particular scare's me as all a police agency has to do is,
<make an alligation about the tennant.

What rock have you been hiding under for the last five or ten years?

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From: jimb@orion.oac.uci.edu (Jim Barrera)
Subject: Re: Pot Talk
Summary: Eat you veg
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:58:18 GMT

>> Close your eyes and visualise a square. See if you can turn it into
>> a triangle. Play with this shape for a while. Rotate it, translate it,
>> etc. Open and shut your eyes quickly. You'll be left with a "burnt"
>> image of the room in your head. Try manipulating this image as you did
>> with the shape. This will take a bit of practise. Recall images from
>> memory and play with these. After a while, your thoughts will connect with
>> the images, and then your thoughts will free-form. Then just sit back and
>> enjoy the ride (or have another toke...).
>> Does anyone out there play around like this, or do most people veg out?

Sheesh.  Please explain to me the difference between "vegging out" 
and lying around flipping squares and triangles about in your head
and "sitt[ing] back and enjoy[ing] the ride."

> Its a waste to veg out, (IMHO) whats the fun of lying there like a wet 
> noodle?  I mean, if all you do is veg out, why even take a toke? 

WRT wet noodles...
If all you do is veg out, why sit in a hot tub?  (um, you enjoy it?)

Toking & vegging  -or-  watching tv sitcoms...the choice is yours.

`jimb
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: MAOI & shrooms
Date: 6 Sep 92 12:30:54 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <18886kINNn20@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, jjf@cats.ucsc.edu (Jeffrey John Furman) writes:
> 
> In Terrance McKenna's book "Food of the Gods" he mentions the possible
> use of Pegnanum Harmala seeds in combinations with Psilocybe mushrooms.
> In the Natural highs Faq it says that there possibly some orally 
> inactive compounds in mushrooms, that (at least I think) could be activated
> by an MAO inhibitor like harmaline.  But in the same FAQ it talks about
> the dangers of mixing about anything with an MAOI, with possible side
> effects like DEATH.  Can anyone tell me if trying this combination
> is a wise move?

When Mr McKenna talks about matters related to pharmacology, chemistry,
and botany, one should check carefully before believing him. This is
not his specialty.

I would guess that there are several ways in which a tryptamine 
may be orally inactive as a hallucinogen:
1) substances metabolised rapidly (e.g. by MAO) before a significant 
   concentration in the brain can develop (e.g. DMT)
2) substances which do not effectively cross the blood-brain barrier
   not matter how fast they are metabolised (e.g. bufotenine)
3) substances which are inactive regardless of brain concentration
   (e.g. 4,5,6,7,8 pentachloro N,N dioctyl tryptamine :-)

MAOI is only useful in case (1). These substances are normally
only active when smoked or injected. Substances in class (2)
are only active if introduced directly into the brain. 
Substances in class (3) are totally inactive.

I am not aware of any tryptamines in commonly used Psilocybe
species which would fall into category (1). MAOI could
possibly effect the metabolism of psilocin, and thus
potentiate it. 
This is all off the top of my head. Anyone else?

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs