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From: Gary.Davis@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Gary Davis)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: COMPUTERS IN SCHOOLS
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 15:18:16 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

I received the following message on the Internet.
To help this student, I told him I
would post his letter. 
In return, he is going to share his discoveries with
us by sending me a copy of his paper.  I encourage you ro respond to Mr.
Belson's questions.  Where he refers to Internet or other terms
you may not be familiar with, think of "electronic mail".  You
can reply to him directly through the mail or Internet (if you
have access to it), or by sending a message to me, which I will forward to 
him.  Remember, you can upload ASCII
files after writing them off-line on your word
processor.
 
Here is Mr. Belson's Letter:
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
     This semester I am taking a "Computers and Society" course. 
I am currently in the process of researching and gathering
information for a term paper that I am doing on the topic of
"Computers and Education".  In keeping with the topic, I am
attempting to do a large portion of this research over the
Internet.  This is where I need your help.  Below, I have
attached a brief outline of what I hope to cover in my paper.  If 
you have any experiences or information in these areas, or can
point me to telnet or ftp sites where I can find information,
please post to the list, or send me e-mail at
U94_DBELSON@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
What are the logistics of computerizing a school?
  -Planning
  -Timing
  -Costs
  -Educational Level
What possible problems may be encountered in computerizing a
school?
  -Compatibility
  -Obsolescence
What problems have those involved already encountered?
How can computers be used in the classroom in a supplementary
fashion?
  -Educational Level
  -Tutorials
  -Simulations
  -Exercises
How can computers be used "at home" to supplement in-class
learning?
How is the Internet utilized as an educational resource?
  -Mailing Lists
  -Telnet sites with information/library catalogs, etc.
  -FTP sites
  -Usenet News
What educational resources are currently available over the
Internet?  How might the Internet be useful above and beyond
"traditional education"?
  -communication across country/world
  -student <-> student
  -teacher <-> teacher
  -administrator <-> administrator
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Thanks in advance for your help!
David Belson
Internet address: U94_DBELSON@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU
Postal Address:  Box S-116
                 Stevens Institute of Technology
                 Hoboken, NJ 07030
Telehone:        (201) 216-3541
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From: Steve.Larson@p0.f10.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Larson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Keyboarding
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 09:41:18 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/10.0 - Westwood High Schoo, Ft McMurray AB

 * Originally By: Lorna Kropp
 * Originally To: Tom Winn
 * Originally Re: Search/Keyboarding
 * Original Area: K12Net Teacher Chat Area
 * Forwarded by : Steve Larson (Zone 1 Computer Literacy Moderator)

While I have not set up research regarding our keyboarding curriculum, we do
have several years of experience. We have introduced standard keyboard
fingering at 2nd grade for home row keys plus e,r,t,i, and o. We arrange 10
minute practice sessions on non-functional keyboards 3-4 times a week for Sept 
- Dec. The children use the classroom computers to compose stories each week
for the remainder of the year. Third graders practice correct fingering for
home row  plus e, r, t, i, o , u, c, n, p, m, w., y. They have the same amount 
of practice during the Fall months. We have not covered fingers or keys.
Fourth graders review letters and finish out alphabet and begin to work toward 
10 WPM. Students need to have regular access to writing on the computers to
have the keyboarding skills make a difference.

We use only applications, plus LOGO on our computers. We wish the computers to 
be seen by students as tools to help them interpret and sort data, tools to
communicate, and tools to use numbers. As the Computer teacher, I consult with 
each classroom teacher to incorporate computer projects as part of nearly
every unit in the curriculum.

Lorna Kropp, Discovery School, Spokane, WA.

-!- Tabby 2.2
 ! Origin: MACS BBS - Spokane, WA - (509) 924-5364  (HST/DS) (1:346/6)



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From: Terry.Bowden@f20.n772.z3.fidonet.org (Terry Bowden)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: What's this for?
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 09:20:12 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:772/20 - IBM NZ Ltd Gate, Auckland

 MH>      Why not make it an area for teachers to discuss 
 MH> working together.  I have been looking for another 
 MH> class to work together with mine on projects or 
 MH> experiments, or whatever.  Maybe there is someone out 
 MH> there looking for a class to work with as well.  If not 
 MH> joint projects, teaching methods. 
Good thinking, Mark.  
I support that idea, within the framework of the overall concept of
this echo.  The teacher chat area is also approriate for teacher-
to-teacher communications, and has the advantage of being specifically
for teachers. I see this area as suited to the purpose of teacher-to-
teacher communications, but preferably when the discussion is about
the topic of this particular conference area.
So if the joint project is related to Computer Literacy and Computers
in Education, I think we're in the right place in here.

I'm assuming that you have access to the K12 Teacher Chat echo area.
If not, you might like to check it out!    Best regards, Terry


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From: Ian.Howard@f16.n258.z2.fidonet.org (Ian Howard)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Business Ed. Project
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 92 16:47:03 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 2:258/16 - Teenage Retreat (23, Littleborough

Hi Timothy and the rest of your group !

On Monday October 26 1992, Timothy Borntreger wrote a message to All:

 TB>         All three of us have worked with Lotus 1-2-3, WordStar, and
 TB> WordPerfect.  We will be doing desktop publishing in the very new
 TB> future.  If someone could please reply and let us know what you have
 TB> worked with, such as any word processing or spreadsheets you have
 TB> worked with will be appreciated.

Well I am at high school here in Britain and take a great interest in most aspects of computing.  I have had experience in a lot of packages - MS-Word, Word for Win, Wordstar, Excel, Works and 4DOS are a few!  I also edit a small local newspaper that is based at our school and we use DTP for the entire publication.  I find Pagemaker quite good and like Ventura which is also an excellent package especially for slower machines.  PagePlus is a new package that is also rumoured to be quite good although I have


 not seen it in action.

What would you like to talk about then?  What other types of applications do you use - for message writing/communications for example ?

Hope this is of interest :-)
-- Ian.


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From: Steve.Larson@p0.f10.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Larson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Look Who's Talking
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 21:58:11 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/10.0 - Westwood High Schoo, Ft McMurray AB

In a message <02 Nov 92  18:51:50> to <All> about <Look Who's Talking>,
Terry Bowden wrote:

 TB> Here is a list of how many people said how much in here recently:
 TB> Top marks to John Feltham and Steve Larsen!
                                             ^
                                            ahem!

If you're going to accuse me of being garrulous, the least you could do is
spell my name correctly!  ;-)

Regards,
Steve

... Talk is cheap until you hire a lawyer.

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From: Becky.Ferreira@p0.f25.n137.z1.fidonet.org (Becky Ferreira)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Computer Education Project
Date: Wed,  4 Nov 92 12:16:11 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:137/25.0 - The Back Door, Venice FL

Hello! Can anybody hear me? Knock Knock, I'm trapped in the computer. Elroy, Karen, and Holly are working on a Computer Education Project at school.  We go to Sarasota High School and we need a good grade in our Business Software Applications class.  Please send us a response immediately, so we know that BBS works.
 
 
P.S.  Hi Mrs. Simons, how are we doing so far?  Possibly an "A"????
 
Elroy, Holly, and Karen



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From: John.Feltham@f706.n640.z3.fidonet.org (John Feltham)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Getting To know us.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 19:18:02 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:640/706 - Coral Sea, Townsville Qld Australia

G'day Shawn,

SD>reconize the programs.  My word prosser, database, and spreadsheet are all
SD>is a program called Microsoft Works v2.0e which is made for both Mac and
SD>PC.

There are differences between the two versions.

Glad to meet you on k12net

A big welcome to you from down-under.

SD> * Origin: Central CC, Grand Island, NE (308) 389-6495 (1:285/116)
                                        ^^
Where is/what does it stand for?

ooroo


 * SLMR 2.1a * Coral Sea Views, Wulguru, Townsville, Australia


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From: Ronald.Kellett@f296.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Ronald Kellett)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: COMPUTERS
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 16:09:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/296 - Techroom, Honeoye NY

   I have been working alot so I have little time. I have been 
playing some of the old games I never finished probably never will. 
Have you ever heard of "The Kristal of Konos"??? How far have you 
gotten?? I plan to get either a faster modem but first gotta pay for 
my car. Gotta Go!!!   Have A Nice Day!   Bye -Ron

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From: Mark.Hallock@f93.n128.z1.fidonet.org (Mark Hallock)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: K12 ch 2
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 92 01:34:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:128/93 - CSDB BBS, Colorado Springs CO

I've got a bunch of kids to correspond with!  I teach computer skills to 14 students in 6th through 9th grades.  We love to write to you guys !!!
The entire class has written letters of introduction in the "junior high discussions" echo (k-12) 
 

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From: John.Feltham@f706.n640.z3.fidonet.org (John Feltham)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: What's this for?
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 17:10:04 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:640/706 - Coral Sea, Townsville Qld Australia

G'day Steve,

SL>In a message <04 Nov 92  12:52:52> to <Terry Bowden> about <What's this for?>
SL>John Feltham wrote:  etc......

SL> JF> But anyway, you're the "mod" go to it, go at it, whatever... :-)
SL>                          ^^^ mmmmm.....you mean co-mod, don't you? ;-)

At the time he was!  Now he isn't  :-)

ooroo

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From: Steve.Larson@p0.f10.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Larson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: K12 on a LAN
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 08:06:17 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/10.0 - Westwood High Schoo, Ft McMurray AB

In a message <05 Nov 92  16:38:00> to <Terry Bowden> about <Look Who's Talking>,
Paul Winters wrote:

 PW> The school BBS had 26,000 logins, (we run it on the building LAN)
 PW> and our 250 or so students left nearly 10,500 messages!  I couldn't
 PW> believe it!  (Fortunately, about 80% of the messages are PRIVATE, so
 PW> I didn't have to read them all <g>.)

Paul,
I'm hearing quite a bit of interest in running K12 on a LAN.  It's
something that I would like to investigate as well.  I am about to switch
my BBS machine from a 286 with an old 40 MB drive to a 386SX with a 120 Mb
drive.  It sits next to my lab server (novell) which is bridge to 3 other
servers.

Do you have your BBS installed DIRECTLY in the server or do you have your
BBS ...ummmm.... bridged to the server?

I really wish there was a manual on how to do this!  :-)
The benfits of eliminating the "modem bottleneck" would be worth the
trouble!

Regards,
Steve


... The backup's not over til the FAT table sings...

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From: John.Adams@p3.f155.n633.z3.fidonet.org (John Adams)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: COMPUTERS
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 92 22:58:10 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:633/155.3 - SECAP BBS, Clayton Vic

Dear Kevin,

How do you like Procomm Plus I have read several write ups and they all plaise it.

I suggest that you get a Copy of Telemate version 3.01 and try that to.

What type of computer are you running and what configation.

This way I have a 386dx clone with 4 M of ram & a 80m Hard Disk. I am also using Stacker to increase the size of the Hard Disk.

Bye for now 

John Adams


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From: Garry.Lawson@f369.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Garry Lawson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: Business Ed. Project
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 12:13:44 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:633/369 - City Limits BBS, Boronia Vic

Hi Timothy, well what don't I like about work perfect, ah like it is to big, it has not had an upgrade for 4 years,it's outdated, hard to use, the graphics importing is a real hassle, the sreen layout is not what I like,trying to do more than one font size on the same line is a pain in the neck as what you see is not what you get.
Shall I go on..Sorry about the complaints about it but you asked me what I don't like about it.
Word for windows is a lot easier to use as it uses a basic GUI system and if wordperfect used the same type of setup as word for windows than I will be glad to for out my $700-$900 .
Word perfect is an EXCELLENT program but then some people like driving a Ford and some people like driving a Pontiac.
It has all got to do with the feel of the program and alas WP doesn't really have the feel I wan't.
I am 36 years old, I did my masters in maths back in the 70's but I work as a CNC/Robotics repaire man.
I have been using computers for over 20 years now.
Any-way glad to hear from you and please drop me another message if you like.
Take care.
P.S. Gee I loved my old wordstar version 2, it was a basic programm but it did what I needed it to do.


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From: Kevin.Mccluskey@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Mccluskey)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: COMPUTERS
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 08:26:49 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB


 > How do you like Procomm Plus I have read several write ups and they 
 > all plaise it.
 > 
 > I suggest that you get a Copy of Telemate version 3.01 and try that 
 > to.
 > 
 > What type of computer are you running and what configation.
 > 
 > This way I have a 386dx clone with 4 M of ram & a 80m Hard Disk. I 
 > am also using Stacker to increase the size of the Hard Disk.

I have used a 386 20 MHZ with a 100 meg HD for years.  It died last week at 
the wrong time when work was on the way to the printer with my boss holding 
his hand out ready to run to his boss.....NO SECTOR READING DRIVE C:What 
timing!!!!  I quote "BUY A NEW MACHINE."  I have it on my desk but I can't 
find my True Type Fonts.  Can't live without those....The new machine is a 
486DX2 chipped to a 66 MHZ.  Works fine.  I now can make mistakes a lot 
faster than before.  I haven't had time to use it much but I'll get to it. 
Hardware prices are falling quickly over here.  You can get a 2400/9600 fax 
modem for $131.00 Canadian. 14, 400           both ways are available more 
much higher in price.  Got to run! Yet another meeting!!!


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From: Terry.Bowden@f20.n772.z3.fidonet.org (Terry Bowden)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: What's This for?
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 09:26:04 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:772/20 - IBM NZ Ltd Gate, Auckland

Shawn,
thanks for taking time out to put your ideas forward.
One of the first questions I asked in joining K12Net, was whether
these areas are for students, parents, or just teachers. I was
pleased to get a response to the effect that they are for one
and all, with the exception of Teacher Chat and a specific Sysop
message area.
As for you comment:
 SD> I am a Sophmore at Grand Island Senior High in Grand Island, NE.  I 
 SD> use and know the Macintosh computer system quite well and the basics of 
 SD> quite a lot of the software availible for the machine.  I also know a 
 SD> little on the horid IBM-Compatibles.
As a true blue IBMer (dark suit, white shirt, but friendly style!) I have
to say that I, too, prefer the real, genuine, original IBM machines <grin>.

 SD> Any other unanswerable questions just ask.
I'll be sure to fend off all the in-depth technical Macintosh queries
into your territory.  Thanks for the offer!   :-)
Terry



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From: Andrew.Webster@p0.f45.n342.z1.fidonet.org (Andrew Webster)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: .MOD SPECS/standards
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 20:40:24 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:342/45.0 - SPQR, Edmonton Alta

6
HI Ted,
        I happen to catch a message you left to another  fellow about the file, "GIFSTD.ARJ" or so I think it was spelt. But its suppose to be a text file that tells how a GIF file is set up, structure and data lay out etc..
So my question is, seeing that you were able to find a spec on GIF'S , can you find a simular file on .MOD sound files???  A fellow TI'er has set up a program that plays .VOC sound files but now needs the info on .MOD files.

Can you help?

Thanks....



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From: Ronald.Kellett@f296.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Ronald Kellett)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: COMPUTERS
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 22:04:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/296 - Techroom, Honeoye NY

   We use the Amiga's for graphics, video production, and music 
production. We have the Video Taaster which will do just about 
everything you want graphically. The Cd's we use at school are 
Grolier's Encyclopedia, Time's Encyclopedia of Dictionaries, Battle 
chess, etc. What speed is the Fax/Modem? What type? I have only a 
modem, but the school is running off a 14.4 baud Fax/Modem. Gotta 
Go!!!
 
                   Ronald Kellett

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From: Timothy.Borntreger@p0.f25.n137.z1.fidonet.org (Timothy Borntreger)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: Business Ed. Project
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 92 12:22:36 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:137/25.0 - The Back Door, Venice FL

 Hi Timothy, I have used Wordpefrfect but found it a pain
 > in the butt.
 > Try to get Word For Windows, it is great,easy to use and
 > more powerful
 > than WordPerfect, the only drawback is you have to get Windows
 > to run
 > it.
 >

Hi my name is Julien.  I was not around when we last talked to you. I was born in France. I am presently working on WordPerfect.
 
We work on a 24 computer network.  We can not do Word For Windows because ou;Mnetwork does not have enough RAM.  Yet Timothy has Word For Windows at home.  What don't you like about WordPerfect? 


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From: Tom.Winn@f10.n3401.z1.fidonet.org (Tom Winn)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Hello
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 20:16:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3401/10 - The HOLE in the WAL, Mount Vernon WA

 PJ> * A large Novell NetWare network (3.11) with 85 workstations.

Hi Per, I saw your message and was wondering if you could give me some
info on Novelle.  We are a small school district (700 students) and have
Macintosh and Apple IIe in our labs.  Our library is changing to an
electronic system, and the software people tell us that we really need to
install Novelle.
  Is this the best system on which to mix Macintosh and MS-DOS?  What
hardware is required?  What type of wire?  Can it run on phone line?  Is
it exxpensive to install?  Is it fairly trouble-free?  Can we run more
than one system on the network (can it run E-mail, student database,
network printing, and network modem, all along with the library search
system?
  If you can give me an idea of the pros and cons of Novelle VS Ethernet
VS Appletalk, I'd really appreciate it!  Many thanks.
...Tom, La Conner, WA, USA

 * Freddie 1.2 * So why CAN'T we have the best education system in the world?



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From: Steve.Larson@p0.f10.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Larson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: PCTools v.8
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 92 18:37:44 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/10.0 - Westwood High Schoo, Ft McMurray AB

In a message <31 Oct 92  21:30:33> to <Steve Larson> about <Re: COMPUTERS>,
Kevin Mccluskey wrote:

 KM> Have you seen
 KM> version 8 of Pc-Tools yet?  I received the upgrade notice last week. 
 KM> Think I'll wait awhile.  It is not ment for Windows users.  Must be a
 KM> Windows version coming or they are waiting for NT version of Windows. 

Yeah, I got my upgrade notice too.  Central Point had better give their
heads a shake!  Why on earth would I buy a product that is only (from my
point of view) marginally better than the previous version?  At least the
previous version is Windows compatible.  I, for one, am not buying another
upgrade until it offers me something that I don't currently have and which
is Windows compatible.  Further, I am currently only using PCTools to do my
backups and compression.  I rarely use it for other forms of file
management.  The existing version answers all my needs....at PRESENT!

Regards,
Steve


... If at first you don't succeed, call it Ver. 1.0.

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