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From: peterme@ocf.berkeley.edu (Peter D. Merholz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: TETSUO- THE IRON COCK
Date: 27 Jul 1992 06:18:58 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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Did anyone else think that this film seemed little more than an
overblown college student film? It made little, if any, sense, had
no characterization, was self-pretentious, and basically just 
really stupid... A local reviewer called it cinematic poetry... 
I call it dreck...

--Peter M.
From: cje@GANDALF.RUTGERS.EDU ("Chris Jarocha-Ernst ", Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Wizards
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:07:32 GMT

rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes:

>    I'd like to hear opinions on this movie... did anyone out there like it?

I saw it when it first opened, and I was appalled.  I gave it a bad review
for my college paper.  I don't recall much about it any more, other than I
was outraged at the complete character turnaround of the "good" wizard, who
had preached against technology and yet found it expedient to shoot the other
wizard.  It was another example of "the ends justifies the means", a notion I
don't believe.

Earlier, responding to David Brin's analysis of deeper currents in the film,
he says:

> Sorry Dave, but _Wizards_ isn't an embodiment of the ultimate evil. It was
> basically your standard Tolkien imitation, with good ultimately triumphing
> over evil. 

Actually, I thought Brin's comments to be insightful.  His point that we're
made to root for the wrong side was well made and are supported by the "good"
wizard's willingness to use "evil" methods to achieve his ends.  Good didn't
triumph over evil; evil co-opted good (and, if Brin is right, had apparently
done so long before the movie started).

WIZARDS was also more a Vaughn Bode' rip-off than a Tolkien imitation.  And
none of the reviews of COOL WORLD have given me any reason to change my low
opinion of Bakshi (formulated by watching his films and reading what people
who've worked with him have to say) as either a filmmaker or a human being.



Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,

Chris Jarocha-Ernst			Rutgers University Computing Services
Internet: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu       BITnet: JAROCHAERNST@ZODIAC
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Premiere's Top Ten SF Movies
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:11:04 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


in article <3389@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:

>I'd add in ALIENS, Terminator, Star Trek II, and DEFINITELY 
>add Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

re Close Encounters...

This movie was, for the most part, great.  But the last few minutes
really sucked, IMHO.
-- 
    Brice Dowaliby         |    I may speak fluently, but 
(bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu)  |    I don't speak for Fluent
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Star Trek VII??
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:08:04 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


> Article <20JUL199206562503@gergo.tamu.edu> From: dave@gergo.tamu.edu (Dave Martin)

> In article <WYATTW.92Jul17091518@loowit.tek.com>, wyattw@loowit.tek.com (Wyatt Webb;6291592;92-835) writes...


> Didn't he get enough during TOS? Is Shatner not "getting any" in real
> life so now he has to ruin Star Trek just for the illusion that he is?
> Oh, they are also reconsidering the "Academy Days" idea that we thought
> was squashed before. I doubt I'll go see VII if it gets made -- if it
> has the "storyline" that Shatner proposed (or the Academy one) and is
> directed by Shatner, I won't see it. I may not even rent it. I still
> think that they should have killed Kirk in VI so they couldn't try to
> do "just one more" unless it was with Sulu in charge. 


Why didn't the 'expanded' version show Kirk dying
so we would not have put up with his performance again!

Are there any Jim Kirk fans out there amoung the Star Trek fans
[ those who hate Star Trek don't count in my opinion ]
and why does Paramount think that people are returning to see
Kirk again after Star Trek: TNG's success.


Heres hoping for a time-travel movie with both Kirk and Wesley
ordered to go clean out the torpedo tubes just before a battle.
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From: ataylor@agsm.ucla.edu (Al Taylor)
Subject: Re: Who is the Bad Guy in E.T.?
Distribution: na
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:35:55 PDT

bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:


>I didn't save it, so I can't quote directly, but in the second
>of the "David Brin" posts he says that one of his favorite tricks
>is to ask audiences who the bad guy in E.T. was.

>Personally, I don't think there was a bad guy in E.T.  Anyone venture
>to guess what Brin was tlaking about?  Is there a hidden bad guy
>that I was supposed to have seen?

>Clearly, on the surface (seen from the kid's view of the world, that
>is), the big guys (mostly the scientists) were supposed to be the bad
>guys and that clearly is not what Brin was talking about.

>Who are the bad guys?


Hmmmm, maybe the father that we never see who has abandoned his family
-phone home.

Just a guess from a strrreeetcchhh question,

al		ataylor@agsm.ucla.edu
From: jerd@uow (jerd)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Dune
Date: 28 Jul 92 06:26:39 GMT
Organization: uow

In article <1992Jul14.073921.11225@engage.pko.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Jul13.040945.27966@ncsu.edu>, news@ncsu.edu (USENET News System) writes...
> 
> } I don't know if this is a FAQ (I haven't been able to find the thing!),
> } but I keep on hearing rumors from friends about this mongo-longo version
> } of the movie _Dune_. Do any of you out there in net-land know anything
> } about this?  Just curious...
> 
> Yes, I know about this. It's a myth, story, tall-tale, falsehood, urban
> legend. No such creature exists. Never has. Everyone seems to have heard
> of it, but no one has ever seen it. It's never been documented anywhere
> as existing.

	There is something in the introduction to one of Frank Herbert's books 
which indicates that there was a longer version (i think 6 hours) that 
Frank was working to get released on video, as 2 or 3 vid set.
	Supposedly he died before he could get it released and nothing more has
been done about it. I'll try and find the name of the book and post some
exerts if i have time. 
	There was also something about the movie been originally been made this
long and been cut up to a 2 hour length so it could be played at cinemas.
	When people went to see it, it was missing major informative parts and
people who had not read the book could not follow the plot and so thought
the movie was not very good.
	I would love to see the 3 hour TV version, but i don't think it has ever
been on aus tv and so there is not much hope of seeing it until it is 
shown.
	Anyway, i'll find out more and post again.....

																	Jerd : The Gun RuNNer...
   
 
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From: Thomas Gramstad <thomas@smaug.uio.no>
Subject: Re: Neuromancer & Jim Cameron (Rumor, looking for confimation)
        23:45:14
Reply-To: thomasg@ulrik.uio.no
Organization: University of Oslo
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:09:04 GMT


How about Jeanette Goldstein (Vasquez in _Aliens_) as Molly?

                    - Thomas
From: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Lovecraft (was Re: Some Horror/Fantasy Flicks)
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:01:30 GMT
Organization: Miskatonic U. Computer Operations & User Services

WFL4468@tntech.BITNET (PALE BLUE SCOTTISH PERSON) writes:

>I did a research paper on HPL a few months ago; I seem to remember someone
>digging up a quote from him saying, in essence, that he wouldn't like to see
>his work adapted to the screen (of course, it was nothing as blatant as "I
>don't want them to make a movie of my stories"; it was more of a philosophical
>objection to changing medias and losing meaning.)

I recall a quote to that effect in one of Lovecraft's letters (in the SELECTED
LETTERS), but regarding a hypothetical radio adaptation, not a film.  Of
course, HPL had a low regard for the cinema anyway (didn't even like DRACULA or
FRANKENSTEIN), so it wouldn't be surprising to learn he'd held similar opinions
for a possible movie (not that he ever expected such; he thought his work would
be quickly forgotten).


-- 
Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,

Chris Jarocha-Ernst			Rutgers University Computing Services
Internet: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu       BITnet: JAROCHAERNST@ZODIAC
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From: jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma)
Subject: Re: ALIENS- mysterious marine.
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:39:23 GMT

scavanag@neumann.une.edu.au (Steven Cavanagh) writes:

>Just after Apone says his "we gonna go in, and we gonna conquer, and
>we gonna kick some" bit, the camera follows the marines running out
>to join the line up. Just before you see Frost handing out the M41As
>there is a marine who puts on his helmet and runs off to the left. I'm
>pretty sure I know the marines better than most, but I don't recognise
>this guy. He looks older than the others. Who is he?

I've always wondered about him... I think it must be Wierzbowski, since I
think we see Crowe after lying dead after the ammo bag goes up, and he looks
different. All others get enough screen time to be recognisable if it was
them.

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From: mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Kobyashi Maru
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:55:54 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

>From: Shadowmar@cup.portal.com (Paul Joseph Furio)
>
>A question:  I saw Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn on a major network the oth
>day.  I just caught the beginning, when the Vulcan captain is taking the
>Kobyashi Maru test.  I was wondering:  This is a neat test and are there any
>Computer Games, Role Playing games, Board Games etc that simulate the Maru
>test?  Obviously, a real simulator like the one she was using would be best,
>but seeing as how there is no starfleet, maybe a simulator exists?  It 
>would definately be interesting to attempt the Maru test, and perhaps even
>"reprogram" it as Kird allegedly did.  Any info would be appreciated.
>	Paul J. Furio
>	Shadowmar@cup.portal.com

	There is only one source that I know of that introduces
	the Kobayashi Maru scenario and that is the
	Star Trek Starship Combat Simulator from FASA.  It is
	my belief that this is a really good game system, especially
	if you have the recognition guides, if you add some of
	your own touches for advanced gaming realism.  The information
	is quite true to the Star Trek universe and was licensed by
	Parmount Pictures.  It is in my opinion a lot more playable
	and a lot more fun than Star Fleet Battles.  

	Unfortunately, about a couple of years ago, FASA lot their
	license from Paramount to publish the game system or any
	of the manuals, so the material is out of print and
        are rare items now that are dwindling out of game store
	inventories.  You will probably have to do some looking 
	around for this stuff.  I recommend getting the Deluxe Set
	if you can, which contains the Simulator material, a hexboard
	, starship pieces, and roleplying guides and supplements.
	The recognition manuals for Klingon, Romulan, Orion, and
	Federation Starships are packed full of different vessels
	with very complete statistics and descriptions.  I recommend
	them.

	The Kobayashi Maru scenario, if I remember correctly has
	the Enterprise Class Mk I Cruiser pitted in a "no-win"
	situation against 12 , count-em, 12 Klingon D-7M Cruisers
	attacking in triplet V-formation groups.  This scenario
	is not for any ordinary captain and you will be very lucky 
	if the Gamemaster will let you reprogram the computers!


					- Good luck

					Rob
From: swf@teradata.com (Stanley Friesen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Who is the Bad Guy in E.T.?
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:17:00 GMT
Reply-To: swf@tdat.teradata.com (Stanley Friesen)
Distribution: na
Organization: NCR Teradata Database Business Unit

In article <BD.92Jul23131956@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
|
|I didn't save it, so I can't quote directly, but in the second
|of the "David Brin" posts he says that one of his favorite tricks
|is to ask audiences who the bad guy in E.T. was.
|
|Personally, I don't think there was a bad guy in E.T.  Anyone venture
|to guess what Brin was tlaking about?  Is there a hidden bad guy
|that I was supposed to have seen? ...
|
No guess, I have heard his talk on this.  (Going to cons gets you so
much neat info ...)









The 'secret' bad guy is the *captain* of the ET ship!   He went off
without a crew member, and never even *noticed*!  He had to be *called*
back, despite the fact that he *must* have known where he left him!
[And Brin does have a point here, this was one of the two things that
really bothered me about the movie when I first watched it - the other
was the inconsistancy in treating ET's capabilities].

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From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo)
Subject: Re: Jurassic Park and Star Wars
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:08:18 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS

>In article <1992Jul22.145535.1155@guvax.georgetown.edu> cwilliams@guvax.georgetown.edu writes:
>>Can anyone send me info they might have on both the making of
>>Jurassic Park into a movie and the making of a possible
>>Star Trek IV?
> 
>The outdoor sets for J Park are going to be built in Universal Florida,
>and will be used for an attraction afterward to mitegate(SP) the cost.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------

The animatronic dinosaurs being built for Jurassic Park will be used for the
Flinstones movie later (starring John Goodman as Fred and possibly
Rick Moranis as Barney).  JP should be out by the summer of '93 and
The Flinstones should be out by the fall or winter of '93.

JP will be directed by Stephen Spielberg. Sugar and spice and all things nice.

I assume you mean Star Trek VII, since IV came out in '86, V in '89 and 
VI in '91. There will absolutely be a STVII (etc etc...).  The main 
question is whether it'll be with the original crew or the Next Generation
crew.  Perhaps it will be the adventures of Captain Sulu (without Kirk,
Spock and McCoy?). Perhaps Paramount will go ahead and do their idea
of a prequel --- The Academy Days of the original crew with new young
actors playing the parts.  This last idea is the least popular.

Even Paramount doesn't quite know yet.

ferenc
From: sfd@neuromancer.metaphor.com (Scott Drellishak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:47:45
Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems
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In-reply-to: rlbell@babbage.waterloo.edu's message of Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:46:53 GMT

In article <BrsuM6.Gzw@watserv1.waterloo.edu> rlbell@babbage.waterloo.edu (Richard Bell) writes:
>In article <9220314.17484@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma) writes:
>>OK. I'll concede this. But this tactic could be implemented once the Imperials
>>figure out how to detect ships travelling at warp speed. (IMHO, this would be
>>a trivial problem for the Empire, once Imperial ships have encountered Fed
>>ships a few times.)
>>
>
>The imperials won't figure out how to detect warp ships quickly.  They have
>to posit about new physics principles, and design experiments to verify them.
>The Manhattan Project was more engineering than physics, and still took years.

How about this:

[interior, artsy Fed starship]
Federation Captain:  Imperial Star Destroyer sighted.  Warp 9.  Engage.

[interior, ugly steel Imperial starship]
Sensor Tech:  Captain, we're detecting a disturbance, moving at several
	times the speed of light!

Imperial Captain:  In normal space?  Show me the readings...

[gibberish on screen]

Imperial Captain:  [chuckles]  The fools!  They're using a warp drive.

Sensor Tech:  A warp drive?  Sir?

Imperial Captain:  An obsolete form of faster than light travel.  The Old
	Republic abandoned it millenia ago, when the hyperdrive was
	perfected.  In fact, they probably plan to attack us from warp
	drive -- target all proton torpedoes, and wait for my mark.
	Ensign!  Get me the commander of our Interdictor Cruiser --
	This should be entertaining...


The *only* thing the 400-year-old Federation has going for it against
the millenia-old Star Wars galaxy is writers who aren't restricted by
things like consistency.

Scott
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From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Rebels and their commanders...
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:49:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Jul28.134948.127
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

Hmmm. From a combination of the books, Films and Comic (Dark Horse),
General Dodonna (sp?) is still very much alive, with the other general from
Yavin...In the comics, both are stationed at another rebel base, and, from
what I could gather, they have more or less "retired" from active duty, and
serve more or less as advisors.  I think General Riken was also there too.

You have to realize that several months have passed between ANH and ESB,
which means that during that time, the rebel alliance had picked up many
new members, such as the Calamari (Ackbar) and the Bothens. These
characters did not come in until after ANH.  

Also, with the Rebel alliance spread all over with several different bases
and fleets, etc., theere is a real slim chance that all the commanders (ok,
Generals) would ever be in the same place at once. This is often a tatict
so that when one is captured, he/she cannot give away details to the
other's locations, etc...if they don't know, they can't tell....

Also, General Lando retired his rank to go back out on his own in a mining
colony and Solo just gave the rank back to Ackbar (who, as in the novels,
is quite, er, upset with Solo for doing that)...

Dave
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From: mnaught@carina.unm.edu ()
Subject: BONEHEAD MOVES (was SW/ESB CARDS AVAIL/NEEDED) 
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 06:23:42 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Summary: I don't believe I did that. 
Keywords: Dumb, stupid, idiotic, shortsighted, myopic.

	In middle school, I bought SW / TESB cards BY THE CARTON.  I
	had a fascination for them.  I must've spent 200 bucks on 
	topps cards (was it Topps that made them originally?)  I'd just
	waltz into the convenience store and plop down ten or twelve
	dollars for an unopened display package of the things and then
	spend the next two days chewing powdered gum and reading cards.

	BUT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE I screwed up.  I had shoeboxes 
	full of the things and SOLD THE ENTIRE COLLECTION FOR LESS 
	THAN THIRTY DOLLARS! 

	ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

	I also gave away some very first-edition action figures at a 
	garage sale.   And all on the then-reasonable pretense that 
	"I Was Growing Up."

	Has anyone else suffered similar brain damage? or am I alone in
	this, my final chapter of dispair .........

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	wretched hive of scum and villany.  We must be cautious."
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From: myleslee@next17pg2.wam.umd.edu (Alan Brady Ward)
Subject: RPG: HTE Sourcebook?
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:48:05 GMT

Anybody know when the Heir to the Empire sourcebook will really be out for  
SWRPG??

It was due by now but is obviously late.  Also rumors it will be smaller  
than originally planned??

E-mail responses to myleslee@wam.umd.edu

Alan B. Ward
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From: elee9tv@jane.uh.edu (BOING)
Subject: M-tv vs. star wars
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:24:00 GMT


	when Return of the Jedi came out, i remember seeing a music video of
  the band that played in Jabba's palace.It was an actual music video with
blue elephant,singer  with the protruding lips,...


	Does anyone remember seeing this or was there just too
     much sulfite in my mash potatos?

			Dan 
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