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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Honda 350 three wheeler (How much?)
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:57:58 GMT

amir@ms.uky.edu (Amir Sadr) writes:

>Can anyone tell me what is a good buying price for a 1986 Honda 350 three
>wheeler?

I can't offer any specifics, but since three wheelers were damned as
"unsafe" and discontinued by the manufacturers they are considered to be
"obsolete", at least for tax purposes by the "Pretty Great" State of
Utah, and are worth MUCH less than a similar four wheeler. A friend owns
a couple of ATCs, and their tax evaluation dropped from $1500-2000 to a
few hundred bucks in one year.

Now tax value doesn't always come close to street value, but it's
something to consider.

Personally, I can't stand three wheelers, give me a quad or a real
motorcycle any day.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
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From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: What's happening to 500cc MX?
Organization: CONVEX Computer Pty Limited, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:29:25 GMT
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Word on the street is that 500cc MX championships are being phased
out..nothing new right...  What is interesting though, is that in Europe,
they are trying to replace the class with 4 stroke MX championships...

Hey, just watch 'em drop 10kg and gain 10hp overnight...

'scuse me...I can't stand up right now...I have a problem in the trouser
area...

Cheers
George C.


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From: dunne@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Dunne)
Subject: Re: LBL 200
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:09:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.194229.20002@infonode.ingr.com> john@infonode.ingr.com (John R. Mcintyre) writes:
>Hey Everybody!!!!
>
>I was wondering if anybody was headed to Land Between the Lakes
>for the Annual trailride???
>

    I'm not going, but I saw this listed in the Sept. {DIRT BIKE} as one
  of the 12 best trail rides in the US, Baja, & Chile :-).  I should
  check into these, and LBL is the closest to me.  However, I plan to
  use that vacation time for another snowmobile tour.  Some of the
  dirt/DP tours mentioned operate in this way: you pays yer money in
  advance, the operators book all the hotels and meals.  They guide you
  along the route, and a support vehicle caries your luggage, parts,
  fluids, spare machines etc. to the next destination.  All meals etc.
  are set up, you only have to buy the beer!  I had a great time,
  snowmobiled 700 miles in 6 days thru the Wisconsin Northwoods.  The
  Six Days of Michigan dirt ride works something like this, but you
  don't end up where you started... what kinda deal is that?  Scotty,
  beam down my car & trailer...

    Anyone ever take a tour?  There are two listed in Colorado, but
  it seems our gentle readers out there can plan pretty well for
  themselves.

    New .sig, still being refined...

--
           Jim Dunne 	dunne@rtsg.mot.com    ...uunet!motcid!dunne
  --<{{ TEAM STRANGE -- street / dirt / lake / snow / ice  LOCO-MOTION }}>-- 
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:22:17 -0400 
From: Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: KDX-200 for sale

Howdy,

My '87 KDX-200 is for sale.  I'd like to get $900 for it.  The bike
runs great and looks pretty good.  I've also got a spare piston,
levers, and rear shoes that I'll throw in.  Also, got some riding
pants, size 32 with "Honda" on the side that I'll throw in (Not great,
but way better than jeans).

I wouldn't be selling the bike, but I'm having a bitch of a time
finding a job and need the money to live.

Oh, and the bike is in Pittsburgh.  I guess I could maybe deliver it
maybe (I sorta smashed my truck a while back so I'd have to borrow or
rent something).

Mark

| Mark J. Andy			WERA NV #813		AMA #700560	|
| ma1w+@cmu.edu			KotR			DoD #813	|
| Co-founder/Rider, Team RISC and Two Geeks Racing			|
| '82 Seca 650 (street), '85 RZ350 (track), '87 KDX200 (the humbler)	|
| I want RZ350 parts like steering damper, fork brace, SS lines, etc... |
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From: donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald)
Subject: Re: What's happening to 500cc MX?
Keywords: Life is not fair
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:06:18 GMT

checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM (Al Conte) writes:


>When I got started in MX, I was blown away by the intense battles between
>DeCoster and Alberg, Mikola etc.
>These guys were bigger than the sport was at that time.
>When the U.S. got into it, we went over there and got our rearends kicked
>all the way back to  Staten Island.
>Well, we learned, and got better.
>We jumped on the 500 scooters and finally beat them after awhile.
>During all of this something was going on.
>The promoters realized that if they could put a wicked little course in a stadium,
>they could pack alot more people into a race.
>The US was full of hot young riders from the West coast that could ride all
>year, and as a result, became much more adept at blowing euros into the weeds.

>Well, what you are seeing is the all mighty buck showing it's ugly head.
>Everybody wants 250s and 125s eg. supercross publicity / big money.
>When the world wants to know what is happening in MX, they look to the US.
>Long ago, (I'm dating myself here) the world used to look to a few nations in
>europe, who reveared the 500 class as the primo goal.

	For example: Belgium.  I think (tho' I am not really sure) that more 
Belgians have won the 500 c.c. World title than any other nation.  Names that
come to mind:

	Eric Gebeors (sp way off, I am sure)
	Georges Jobe
	Sylvian Gebeors (brother, maybe?)
	etc, etc...

	I've never seen a 500 cc race.  But I can imagine one, and I think it 
would be tons better (outdoors, of course...indoors, it'd just be scary..)
than the 250's and 125s because the speeds could be much higher... 


>Times are changin, hype and sellability are king.
>The bucks are in the US, so we have the 500 class in the fade mode.


>Al

Dave
-- 
| donald@dvinci.usask.ca		|  "Imagine every atom in your body  | 
| Communications Systems Research Group |  accelerating away from you at the |
| University of Saskatchewan		|  speed of light."  "Total Protonic |
| Saskatoon, Canada                     |  Reversal."  "Okay, that's BAD."   |
From: checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM (Al Conte)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: NOTICE:"Bigfoot/Sasquatch" Sightings Request
Date: 14 Sep 1992 17:17:03 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM
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Keywords: He was riding an ATK !!!




>  Our research group is currently investigating reports and sightings of the
>animal known as "Bigfoot" or "Sasquatch".


Yup, that was him I believe.
Threw me for awhile though, as he got the hole shot in the open "animal"
division, moto one.
The guy is going to be one of the great ones in the future though.
He was using Redwood trees for burms.
At one point he got stuck in a mud hole.
He stalled the ATK, got off tried to kickstart the monster, broke off the
kick starter.
He then picked up the the bike and threw it across the finish line for a
third!!!!!!
If he can only find a helmet that fits !!!!!!!!



Al "who was dat guy" Conte
From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Honda 350 three wheeler (How much?)
Date: 10 Sep 92 08:05:23 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

In article <1992Sep9.190214.18346@javelin.sim.es.com>, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
> frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com writes:
>>In article <1992Sep7.175758.3556@javelin.sim.es.com>, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
> 
>>> I can't offer any specifics, but since three wheelers were damned as
>>> "unsafe" and discontinued by the manufacturers they are considered to be
>>> "obsolete".
> 
>>  No kidding.  I kringe everytime I see some kid on one. (Usually without
>>  a helmet!).  All it takes is one highside at speed and that 3Wr is going
>>  eat his lunch.
> 
> You misunderstand me. Though I personally don't have any use for three
> wheelers, I think the whole "product safety" ban had very little to do
> with a concern for safety and a whole lot to do with a TV witch hunt in
> the name of ratings.

  No way, I can disagree.  Bureaucracy seems easily twisted by dirty laundry
  TV shows.  Its a wonder that since the death of the 3wr, that they didn't
  use the "Foot in the door" method along with the help of the Si***a group
  to ban all offroad pleasures.          

  Just a point for interest. Agricultural 3wrs are still manufactured.  
  They are by no means recreational but my dad can't seem to convince his 
  hired hands of that.  Its kind of funny.
_________________________________________________________________________
mark frampton....O/30 NOVICE   |    You can ride as long as you are alive,
frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com    |      as long as you can take the pain.
                               |  


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From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Re: peoples comments
Organization: CONVEX Computer Pty Limited, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:37:06 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


> While in a meeting at work just after my latest crash, my boss said something
> like "You'll end up coming to these meetings in a wheel chair and drooling."
> 
> Does anyone else hear a lot of comments like this?  This one kinda stuck in
	
	I used to get that sort of crap from my workmates and bosses...
	Now though, they beg to come along for a ride. My boss even wants
	to swap his BMW 535 with my TT600 for a weekend...I'm still
	holding out for a cash offer as well...

> the back of my head although I know that it is as safe as you make it.
> Does anyone have statistics as to how dangerous racing is?  (I heard once 
> that MX racing was less dangerous than high school football).  

	Gee, I had some statistics a while ago. Don't know about US
	football, but ours is something like 10 times more dangerous
	for injuries and 30 times more dangerous for deaths. Horse riding
	was right up there too. Snow skiing was higher than dirt bikes.

	If you do get some solid statistics, post them. I'd be interested.

	Cheers
	George C.


From: scottt@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Scott Trosper)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:15:44 GMT
Subject: Re: NOTICE:"Bigfoot/Sasquatch" Sightings Request
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
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So what kind of dirt bike do you figure this Bigfoot guy rides?  For his 
size and weight, you would figure that any critter with half a brain would
be on an open class bike.  I'm guessing a 610 Husky or maybe an ATK four
stroke with electric start.  The four stroke would be a little quieter for
slipping through the woods un-noticed and the electric start ATK would have 
a clear advantage when some nosey hiker shows up with a camcorder.  Clearly 
this guy is fast because nobody ever catches more than a fleeting glimpse of
the fellow.  Probably dominates the primate class at the local MX and when
he feels like picking up an easy trophy, he could likely slip into the 
old-timers class at an enduro without being noticed. 

Where do you figure he's able to find a pair of size 28 hi-points?
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 08:26:01 -0400 
From: "Russell E. Hoffman, II" <rh2y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: peoples comments
Distribution: world

Excerpts from netnews.rec.motorcycles.dirt: 11-Sep-92 Re: peoples
comments by Al Conte@flyboy.EBay.Sun 
> I know of two occasions that I was passed up for promotion because of
> "participating in a non acceptable recreation".

Heh, that's funny...
 When I was interviewing for acceptance into MIT, one of the things they
asked me was what hobbies I had. When I told them 'Dirtbike riding', the
recruiter told me I should quit that sport. You'll notice my return
address here says 
.cmu.edu, and not .mit.edu.

Oh, and besides that... my brother's brother-in-law was recently
involved in a motorcycle accident -- somebody strung up piano wire in a
field and he was nearly cut in half. But did he quit biking? Well, yeah,
but he took up twin-V8 powerboating instead. Hmmmm.......


-Russell Hoffman
rh2y+@andrew.cmu.edu
"The problem with Pittsburgh is that there's no DIRT for your dirtbike...."

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From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Re: How do I teach the wife to descend?
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:10:21 GMT
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

In article <Bu0q8x.D6v@apollo.hp.com> tedg@apollo.HP.COM (Ted Grzesik) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.224953.8631@access.usask.ca>, donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald) writes:
>|> jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer) writes:
>|> 	iii) Remember from street riding:  LOTS of the braking power is in the 
>|> 	     front wheel.  Don't be afraid to use it.
>

  As an aside, I did not say the above quote attributed to me.  David Donald
said it.  Please use care when quoting others.

  I agree with it however.  

  And thanks for all this discussion.  It's giving me some great ideas
to use to teach Deena (my wife) ... to decend (get your mind out of the
gutter)!

  Now, back to the issue at hand ...

  -Jim
From: checksix@flyboy.EBay.Sun.COM (Al Conte)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Sorry Bout Dat !!!
Date: 11 Sep 1992 21:37:30 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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Keywords: Try try again.


Lets make a tentitive date for  next Saturday then.
The brewery is right on San Benito, the main street you 
drive on going to the cycle Park.
It's on your left 1/2 block before you get to Tiffiny Ford.


Al "one more time" Conte
From: laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Honda 350 three wheeler (How much?)
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:48:11 PDT
Organization: DFWM, Inc

In article <1992Sep9.190214.18346@javelin.sim.es.com>, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:

> Any parent letting a kid loose on a motor vehicle (no matter how many
> wheels it has) without supervision is in need of a brain transplant. But
> of course the "American Way" is to blame that "evil ATC" instead of
> admitting that their child's injury is _their_ fault.

i have to say (as a mother) that this bothered me considerably last
weekend at hollister.  there were many many kiddies under age 10
riding quads around the campground, altogether unsupervised. zooming
around the absolutely busiest place in hollister--both pedestrian
traffic and a lot of bikes coming and going--i almost creamed one who
darted out from behind a parked motorhome just as i was passing.  this
is in a place where there are plenty of areas restricted to just kids
riding.  obviously the parents were unconcerned.  i find this
reprehensible. i saw him later jumping on another quad; he pulled
on a helmet but didn't cinch the strap.  also reprehensible.

-- laurie
____________________________________________________________________
"Never underestimate the ability of a man to underestimate the abil-
ity of a woman."                                   --V.I. Warshawski

laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us                                   DoD #0023
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From: aweaver@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Andy Weaver)
Subject: Re: How do I teach the wife to descend?
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:59:17 GMT

Here is what I do while decending:

Keep your weight toward the rear of the bike ( butt over the rear fender) and
stay in a low stance.  If you are sitting up on the tank, your CG is higher
and puts more of the weight to the front of the bike.

Use the rear brake to its max potential.  I try not to keep it locked up, but
kinda' rolling/sliding.  If the rear brake is locked up and you hit a bump or
diagonal ridge, the rear is more likely to be pitched out to the side than if 
the rear tire is still rotating slightly.

Use the front brake sparingly.  I vary my decent speed with the front brake.
If I am comfortable with the speed I'm decending while just using the rear
brake, I don't use the front.  If I'm going too fast, I just feather the
front brake lightly, trying to avoid locking it up.  A few "oh, shit"'s may
be appropriate in this situation.

If the downhill meets the level at a steep angle, try lofting the front wheel
before it 'sticks' at the bottom and endo's you.

Hope this helps.

Andy
____________________________________________________________________________
That which does not kill us...
	 		... can leave us wadded up at the bottom of the hill.
_____________________________________________________________________________
From: Kenneth_Ferguson@rand.org (Ken Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: How do I teach the wife to descend?
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:52:10 GMT
Organization: RAND
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1a2




   I'm afraid I must agree that using the front brake on  downhills  is
very risky.
But if done properly it can cut the speed twice as much as the rear break
alone.


   The only problem with this,is that beginning riders have a tendancy to
grab
too much break, and wash out the front wheel. Experts  like Donnie Hansen
suggest using one finger on the front break lever to prevent over
breaking.It seems to 
give just enough drag to safely get you down most hills.


   Your suggestion though, about turning the the bike into the hill and
getting
off on the high side was a perfect tip for the novice and beginning
riders.
This is a technique I myself have used in many a desert race where knarly
downhills seem to be someones idea of a joke.


     Ken Ferguson district #37 desert expert
From: fjz@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: <None>
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:50:28 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

I also own a 1982 Suzuki PE175 which until now has run very well. My problem
is that now it will not start. I bought the bike a year ago and have done
very little to it other than changing the oil. I don't think the problem is
sever, probably just a tune up, but although I work on cars, I don't feel
comfortable or knowlegable enough to work on the bike. I tried to get a
service/repair manual through a Suzuki dealer but was told none was avail.
Does anyone know of an alternate source for this kind of repair information?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:50:11 GMT
Subject: Re: How do I teach the wife to descend?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt

In rec.motorcycles.dirt, tedg@apollo.HP.COM (Ted Grzesik) writes:

> I would strongly disagree with using the front brake on a steep hill.  This
> is an easy way to get a close up view of the hill (after flying over the
> handlebars), with the added fun of having the bike fall on top of you.
> 
> I only use the front brake (dirt and street) when I really need it.  I feel
> much more confortable going into a rear-wheel lock slide then having my
> front wheel lock up.

So, tell us what you do when the hill is so steep that the bike is
continuing to gain speed with the rear wheel locked and a corner is coming
up?  Using the front brake on descents is essential.  I would suggest
practicing stoppies until you get a feel for having the back wheel off the
ground.

Regarding teaching someone to descend, the biggest mistake that I've seen
beginners make is to go too slow.  You need to get some momentum in order
to maintain stability.

If the hill's *really* steep, get off and walk the bike down the hill.  Do
this with the engine off, the bike in first gear, and the spark plug
disconnected.  The clutch works as the rear brake.  I once did such a
descent for about 500 vertical feet down the side of a Wyoming mountain.
It took us about a half hour. When I reached the bottom my right hand was 
cramped shut into a useless claw from cranking on the front brake all the 
way down.
 
-Jeff Deeney-  KotD #0000  DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600-Shamu   
jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
We don't stop riding because we get old, we get old because we stop riding.
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: What's happening to 500cc MX?
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:46:37 GMT

couyant@convex.com (George Couyant) writes:

>Word on the street is that 500cc MX championships are being phased
>out..nothing new right...  What is interesting though, is that in Europe,
>they are trying to replace the class with 4 stroke MX championships...

>Hey, just watch 'em drop 10kg and gain 10hp overnight...

Drool, slobber, salivate. Now this is something I'd like to see.

I really can't see why the magazines are getting so excited over the new
XR650L. It does have decent suspension, but it's still a fat pig at 330
pounds, and that teeny little tank has got to go.

>'scuse me...I can't stand up right now...I have a problem in the trouser
>area...

:-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: couyant@rox.mel.dbe.CSIRO.AU (George Couyant Convex Support)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Montague cross country
Date: 7 Sep 92 04:31:01 GMT
Organization: CSIRO


 From: aweaver@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Andy Weaver)
> Subject: Montague cross country
> 
	Hey Andy, loved the story. Makes me want to get out and
	spectate....You guys always fall off so often? ;-^  ;-^  ;-^

> minutes,  he came through the checkered flag with him handlebars wrapped 
> around his gas tank, the seat part way off, and a broken back fender.  They 
> looked like drag bars in the position they were twisted.  He had taken third 
> place while going WFO up the long sandy uphill.  All of a sudden, the bike 
> started swapping and Mike went flying.  I would have liked to have seen this 

	Ahhhh, moments to cherish...
> 
> 	I figured that I would just finish this lap, then quit.  My fore arm
> had lost a lot of skin (I knew that I should have worn my elbow guards.) and
> my hip was swelling.  

	Naaa, the only acceptable DNF due to injury is when you bleed until
	you're thirsty...

	Cheers
	George C.
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