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From: sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Neuromancer dream-cast and soundtrack
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:51:58 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

tomek@maple.circa.ufl.edu  writes:
> How about Woody Allen as Case, Roseanne Barr as Molly and The Greatful Dead as
> soundtrack?

How about Roseanne Barr as Case, Woody Allen as Molly, and a
soundtrack by the Lawrence Welk Orchestra?

Seriously:
John Cusack as Case--young, and has shown (in _The Grifters_)
that he can play a person of Questionable Morals.

The girl who played Nikita in La Femme Nikita as
Molly--assuming she can speak English well enough to offset the
"Depardieu Syndrome" that rendered _1492_ almost unwatchable.

Stephen Lang as Armitage--he's been in The Hard Way and Last
Exit to Brooklyn, among others. See the former for the look,
the latter for his acting ability.

Music--score by Vangelis or Wendy Carlos, with incidental music
by an assortment of industrial bands, including (but not
limited to) those quoted in previous posts, like FLA or F242.
Maybe Skinny Puppy somewhere in the background of the grimier
street scenes. 

And William Gibson with a cameo somewhere.

Steve
--
Roses are red, 
Violets are blue.
I'm a schizophrenic
And so am I.                   
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: robwil@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Wilson)
Subject: Re: CyberPUNX, Documentary.
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:35:02 GMT

In <Bx3w3q.Jzr@cck.coventry.ac.uk> gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre) writes:

>In article <1992Nov1.062619.25942@netcom.com> tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) writes:
>>In article <NsZ2sB4w165w@works.uucp> redline@works.uucp (Crazy Straw of Doom) writes:
>>>tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) writes:
>>[concerning] CYBERPUNK, A DOCUMENTARY - BY MYSTIC FIRE VIDEOS
>>>> 
>>>> 	Of all the embarrassing, stupid, and falsely chic attempts to cash
>>>> in on cyberpunk, this documentary takes the prize.  Bad pseudo-psychedelic
>>>> graphics, virtually no understanding of any of the issues involved.
>> 
>>>Out of curiosity, could you specify what you didn't like about the video? 
>>>I have not yet seen the documentary, but was curious as to what kind of 
>>>approach it took to CP, and what you didn't like about it.  Sure, there 
>>>are lots of pathetic attempts to make money from the trend.  What makes 
>>>this one particularly horrible?
>>
>>	Does the phrase "bad pseudo-psychedelic graphics, virtually no 
>>understanding of any of the issues involved" ring a bell?  Quite seriously,
>>I don't remember much more than that--except that it was *really* stupid--
>>and I would have to find it, rent it, and look at it again to say anything
>>more detailed.  
>>
>>	Which I won't.

>I didn't even rent it. A guy I know bought the video and I watched it for
>free. All I remember is a bunch of middle-class Americans rambling on
>about various post-modern avant-gardisms and pseudo-technology that really
>got on my wick. These kind of people are the ones who make people like
>Gibson, Rucker (and, damn it, even myself) want to denounce the name 
>Cyberpunk. They made it sound like anyone with an anti-establishment attitude
>and a computer is a Cyberpunk. I don't have a weird haircut, I don't think
>I'm pretentious, and I don't hack into other people's systems because
>"Information Wants To Be Free". In fact I don't hack into other people's
>systems at all... Honest officer... But I really found this show, despite
>being full of ideas, was nothing more than a piece of Gibson-worshipping
>trash. Where were you, Tom? Were you even asked to appear on it?
>-- 
>                  Ridley McIntyre - Ronin Ironpig
>*On a Flowery	     gdg019@cck.coventry.ac.uk          Space Trip!*
>		 ---------------------------------
>            "I wonder what Freud would make of THAT?" - Perry Hinton
Using the term 'cyberpunk' to refer to anything but a short-lived science
fiction literary movement of the eighties is a bad idea, anyway.  The term
is so misused and over-used I'd rather it just disappear.  There are no
cyberpunks and the internet isn't cyberspace (as I have heard it repeatedly
called).
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: CS341A002@Husky1.StMarys.Ca (Loki)
Subject: Re: New Luddites
Organization: The Underground
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:52:46 GMT
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morpheus@entropy.mcds.com writes:
>someone@somewhere writes:  ("Message too long to follow up"?  @$!#..)

   That was my wordy self. ;)

>>> That's cool, as long as you don't enforce anarchy on me.
>>
>>Null concept. Anarchy is a state of existence. It cannot be enforced, for
>>to do so prevents it. That's Lenin's mistake. The only way to create it is
>>to simply ignore the powers above you and proceed as you want. It's
>>actually a lot easier than it sounds...
>
>Harder to get away with.  Takes practice.

   True. I've succeeded in getting away with it for a number of years now,
tho... have done things that looking back I don't know how I managed...

>>Well, Bush/Quayle etc. are obviously incapable of carrying out a
>>conspiracy. This does not mean they aren't being used by one, tho.
>
>Maybe it's a consipracy to make us THINK that.  Perhaps Dano actually runs
>this country totally - maybe he's the master puppeteer of them all..

   Heh. An amusing thought...

   I'd say, considering that there are a Very Large number of people
connected to power in this continent, the idea that there's only one
conspiracy is unlikely...

>>The question was: Bush & co. aren't running the country. So who is? If
>>nobody is, we have an anarchy. Which I really don't feel the U.S. is right
>>now.
>
>Elvis runs the country... it's a conspiracy by the government to cover up the
>fact that he's dead so we never find out he's actually the mind behind all the
>wonderful things that our government does for us... SUPPORT THE RIGHT TO KEEP
>AND ARM TABLOID REPORTERS!  they're the only ones telling us the whole story!

   "Elvis is Everywhere" - Mojo Nixon & Skid Roper

   Sorry if you got the impression I'm a tabloid fan... very few things
could be further from the truth. ;) (Altho I think Mojo Nixon is
hilarious...)

>>My personal solution is to ignore the current social system as much as is
>>possible. It is corrupt and needs replacing. So, working outside it
>>undermines it.
>
>It will also get you kidnapped (er, I mean arrested) if you're not careful.

   See above.

>>This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it.
>>Whenever they shall grow wearing of the existing Government, they can exercise
>>their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to
>>dismember or overthrow it.
>>
>>        --- Abraham Lincoln
> 
>Should be rewritten in past tense.

   Really? Why?

   First of all, he meant it when he said it. I think it's obvious to any
reader that it was said sometime in the 19th century, considering Lincoln
is dead (REALLY? :)

   Second of all, I think it's still true today...

         Loki         | cs341a002@husky1.stmarys.ca | Brynjolfr Myrkjartanarson
 often sysop of TWWOL | cs341a002@stmarys.bitnet    |    Compaignie Mercurie

   The coward believes he will live forever if he holds back in the battle,
  But in old age he shall have no peace though spears have spared his limbs.

                 --- The Havamal (verse 20)
From: rserling@pension.uucp (Rod Serling)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Mondo's new book..
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 06:15:50 MST
Organization: The Pension Grillparzer +1 801 375 7679

Can someone post the ISBN# for the Mondo's guide to the new edge(or 
whatever the exact name is).   advTHANKSance.

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: cfuentes@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Carlos A. Fuentes Jr.)
Subject: Re: nyx.du.edu
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:29:22 GMT

In article <oeze3Mu00UhBI2TQIS@andrew.cmu.edu> wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott Gregory) writes:
>    O.K., I am now starting to really believe the heretofore mentioned
>theory that the people at nyx.du.edu are largely one person trying to
>pull our collective legs. [...]
>
>-Scott

I did a finger earlier on Mr. Greever and his last login
was from FENRIS.CLAREMONT.  Sound familiar, folks?

-Carlos
"Ah, what tangled webs we weave, ..."

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From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: ROBO-COPULATION
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:57:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: hogbbs.XDV4TB2w165w
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

dmcquaid@csws19.ic.sunysb.edu (Devin McQuaid) writes:

> I do my share of complaining and my life isn't that bad, there are
> certainly people who have it worse then me I don't go hungry(well not
> often) I don't have to live on the street, I managed to buy a computer
> last year. But I will be $8,000 in debt by the end of this year(I'll be
> a junior) I don't get any TAP since my parents supposely make too much
> but I'm 25 and pay for my schooling myself but since I live at home
> over the summer since I can't affored not to New York State won't
> consider me independent so they wont give me TAP. While a friend of
> mine makes money going to medical school since she is 1/2 Puerto
> Rican. Tell me again how powerful and priveledged again.
> 	Maybe I just have the order wrong :-)
> 
> >Sorry about the spelling, typing fast, later, Bill
> -Devin
> 
> 


Life is hard, and getting harder in some niches, for me as well as you.

On a planet of five billion humans, statistically there are likely to be 
many hundreds of thousands of "ordinarily lower ranked" humans in the 
rewards chute ahead of middle class white males like ourselves. That's 
the way the system works-- ranking, slave/master, reward/punishment.

Whatever. I don't care what program you run through your brain, or, more 
accurately, the programs you choose, or are persuaded to run are none of 
my business. 

Everybody lives out their short life the best they can. later, Bill
From: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: ROBO-COPULATION
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:24:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 

MNS> % finger dskimish@nyx.cs.du.edu nninja@nyx.cs.du.edu dhedd@nyx.cs.du.edu g
   > [nyx.cs.du.edu]
   > Login name: dskimish                       In real life: David Skimishara
   > Directory: /u/d/s/dskimish                 Shell: /nyx/bin/menulogin
   > Last login Tue Nov  3 11:43 on ttypa from JARTHUR.CLAREMON
   > No unread mail
   > No Plan.
   > [nyx.cs.du.edu]
   > Login name: nninja                         In real life: Net Ninja
   > Directory: /u/n/n/nninja                   Shell: /nyx/bin/menulogin
   > Last login Fri Oct 30 19:56 on ttyp6 from JARTHUR.CLAREMON
   > Mail last read Tue Oct 27 15:27:28 1992
   > No Plan.
   > [nyx.cs.du.edu]
   > Login name: dhedd                          In real life: Deth Hedd
   > Directory: /u/d/h/dhedd                    Shell: /nyx/bin/menulogin
   > Last login Wed Oct 28 08:20 on ttyrf from JARTHUR.CLAREMON
   > New mail received Sun Nov  1 23:37:51 1992;
   >   unread since Wed Oct 28 08:22:08 1992
   > No Plan.
   > [nyx.cs.du.edu]
   > Login name: gallen                         In real life: Geoff Allen
   > Directory: /u/g/a/gallen                   Shell: /nyx/bin/menulogin
   > Last login Tue Nov  3 21:08 on ttyp6 from JARTHUR.CLAREMON
   > Mail last read Tue Nov  3 15:23:14 1992
   > No Plan.
   > [nyx.cs.du.edu]
   > Login name: pkasiako                       In real life: Paula Kasiakowski
   > Directory: /u/p/k/pkasiako                 Shell: /nyx/bin/menulogin
   > Last login Sun Nov  1 18:45 on ttyp3 from JARTHUR.CLAREMON
   > New mail received Tue Nov  3 23:21:04 1992;
   >   unread since Sun Nov  1 18:46:26 1992
   > No Plan.

MNS> Genius.  Sheer genius.

I second that, ROTFLMAO.








MNS> Matthew Neill Sharp
   > matthew@symphony.cc.purdue.edu                         and get a hobby...

 -- SPEED 1.20 [NR]: Nothing is more productive than the last hour.
                                                                
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:11:44 GMT

mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik) writes:
|u734120@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (John Lamp) writes:

|>Look the bible has to be fatally flawed - If Jesus was Jewish, how did he
|>end up with a Mexican name?

|The real funny thing is that everyone seems to assume that
|Jesus existed.

There are at least 50 known historical, non-"scripture" references from
the early first century AD, that document the existence of a Jesus Ben Joseph,
from the town of Nazareth.  He was a political and religious activist of 
that time and area.  The "historical Jesus" was arrested on 6 April, AD 30
in Jerusalem, and was tried by a Jewish council on blasphemy charges.
He was later handed over to Roman authorities and executed on 30 April, AD 30.

The big question is whether or not he was The Messaiah.  These newsgroups
are not the place to debate that question.

--
Bigotry is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado and Tampa.

Michael Adams (StarOwl@uiuc.edu, wi.4962@n7kbt.rain.com)
From: tomek@maple.circa.ufl.edu (Tomasz Mazur)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Neuromancer dream-cast and soundtrack
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:36:44 GMT
Reply-To: tomek@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

How about Woody Allen as Case, Roseanne Barr as Molly and The Greatful Dead as
soundtrack?
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: dmatiske@nd.edu (David Matiskella)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Followup-To: alt.cyberpunk
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:27:28 GMT

	Actually if you read the New Testament and Just look at the Parts dealing
with Jesus( i.e. the four Gospels) and ignore all the rest of the New
Testament and Old Testament you will come up with a pretty acceptable world
view. Of course do you a see a man who object to having money changers in
the temple being happy with baskets being passed around and Priests begging
people for money. Would he be happy with priests driving 50,000 dollar
cars? Would this man who was nonviolent to an extreme support such
doctrines as "just" war? Face it the modern church has very little in
common with the religion taught by Jesus. I am willing to bet that if Jesus
had his infamous second coming tomorrow if he would not critize our current
church just as he critized the Pharisses of his own time.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:04:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.045732.19317@Princeton.EDU> mfterman@phoenix.princeton.edu (Mutant for Hire) writes:
>I agree. I believe that churches should not be in the moneymaking business,
>that prayer is a privite thing between man and God and that those who do
>pray in public are proud and hence sinful. I also believe that the rich
>people should give up their money and that we should go to communal living
>instead of this evil capitalism.


	Communal living:  Fine with me.  I'd love to be lazy and live
	off the stupid.

	Praying in public:  Amen.  

	Church in the moneymaking institution:  Traditionally, the
	church has been one of the richest institutions.  For a good
	part of history, the church in Europe was _richer than the 
	government_.. In fact, collecting money seems to be, imho, one
	of the churches main functions.




-- 
 Robert Stephen Rodgers  ||  rsrodger@wam.umd.edu  || IRC: Yamanari
 --------NeXTmail-preferred!!--------------------------------------
 Snout: O Bottom, thou art chang'd!  What do I see on thee?          
 Bottom: What do you see?  You see an ass-head of your own, do you?
From: jessec@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Left-Right Continuum (was
Date: 8 Nov 92 20:43:38 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <3321.403.uupcb@the-matrix.com>, mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com 
(Mykel Alvis) writes: 
> ACC> I'm not familiar with _Upwingers_, but this comment about the 
>    > the left-right continuum concept is one I agree with.
> 
> ACC> The idea of a political left and right tries to reduce all political thoug
>    > into one degree of freedom (one dimension, that is.)  IMHO, this concept
>    > has been obsolete for years, because reality is more complicated.
> 
> Much.  But it seems to be a classic situation that I've read into a little.
> People are associative, by nature of being social animals (no shit, Mykel).
> People are also confrontational/aggressors by nature of being hunters 
> (among other things).  These things would seem to be somewhat at odds with
> each other, and seem to produce just such a reaction.  It's classicaly
> 
>       US vs. THEM
> 
> Whoever "WE" are, whoever "THEY" are.  I consider myself a moderate, but that
> term really only has significance if there is are extremists of any type.  And
> isn't the term extremist just another inflammatory statement?
> 
> Of course, this is me over-simplifying a rationale of an argument that
> is itself against over-simplfication.  I will now proceed to carry my
> large piece of wood up to Golgotha (sp?).  I'm just trying to make pleasant
> conversation.

   Not sure what point Mykel is trying to make.
   Aughh.  Look, can no one see any difference between those who tend to 
be *for* the reservation of power and privilege for some or few people, 
and those who tend to be against it? You can argue about the semantics of 
"right wing" and "left wing" till you turn blue, but I think it pretty 
much boils down to that.  There are many other "dimensions" of dispute, 
but I think that this one is pivotal, and is still a valid focusing concept.


   --Jesse.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.zines,rec.mag
From: kca@engin.umich.edu (Jonathan Van Oast)
Subject: bOING bOING *FAX* *EMAIL* contacts ???
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 10:01:44 EST
Organization: UnderWorld Industries, Hell


pardon me if i am FAQed up, but i am looking for, in prefered
order (tho, i will take anything), an EMAIL, FAX, or snail
mail (ack!) contact for the infamous(?) boing boing magazine.

you can post or email me.   thanks VERY MUCH for your time.
-jon    uwi001     less is more.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Women in CP/Industrial Culture?
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:42:04 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

carlsoje@nxsci173a.mrs.umn.edu (Joel Carlson) writes:
> jsteiner writes:
> > gallen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Geoff Allen) writes:
> > > 
> > > Just dawned on me - you people are some of the most open-minded 
> > > I know when it comes to technological issues/ implications on 
> > > society, but how come there are so few women participating in 
> > > the Industrial and/or Cyberpunk movements? Is there something 
> > > inherently sexist about Cp that I'm just missing? 
> > 
> > dunno. but i'd be willing to bet it's the same reason that only 1 
> > in 10 students in my math and CS courses are female.
> 
> My feelings are at least in Computer Science, that first year 
> students  have to learn way too much technical overhead, so that 
> they can program.  I mean UNIX, an editior, etc, and this overhead 
> really scares away alot of  intellegent but inexperienced people.  
> Who are unfortunately, women and  minorities.  It is unfortunate 
> that most pre-college-computing experienced  are found in white 
> suburban schools.

that might explain race, but it still doesn't explain the sex issue.
there was no sign at the door of the computer lab in my "white
suburban school" that said "no females allowed".

i think a more likely explanation is that CS isn't one of those things
you can get just from classes. i've learned probably twice as much
useful stuff on my own then i have in class. women don't seem to get
into reading tech manuals & magazines & source code *just for the fun
of it*. a lot of men don't either, and they tend to be the ones who
slide through, and end up taking the 9-5 "because it's a good career"
approach (even tho' it's not).

i guess what i'm trying to say is that women aren't expected to be
as obsessive about things as men. guys reading microprocessor manuals
just for the anyhell of it is strange, but it's unheard of for a gal
to do it. and to a large extent, it's that type of stupid, i-don't-have-
a-life obsessiveness that's required to do well in technical fields.

how do we promote these topics as fun to women? should -anyone-
think they're fun? i happen to think so, but then again, i'm biased.

jason

--
 "Y'all ain't from around here are ya?" - The best compliment I ever got, 
                                          from a local in Defiance, Ohio
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From: zyzzy@stein.u.washington.edu (Zyzzy Galore)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Wanted: Essays/etc. on sexism in Cyberpunk
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:48:43 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1dht7dINNov2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy) writes:
>
>In a previous article, jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) says:
>>rclarke@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>> Could anyone please tell me where I could find/get 
>>> essays/articles/papers on sexism in cyberpunk?  I have a feminist 
>>> friend who always calls me a sexist pig because I happened to have 
>>> read a few cyberpunk books.

There's great stuff in Storming the Reality Studio edited by 
Larry McCaffrey.  It includes an essay on cyberpunk and feminism, 
as opposed to sexism.


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