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From: arunsaku@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Peerasak Arunsakul)
Subject: Re: Khunying Supatra on Internet - Quotation issues
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:48:34 GMT



I'm sorry.  Actually I wanted to quote this context in my previous post.
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cooneys@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>Dear Lord, I wish people wouldn't lazily reproduce layer 
>after layer of embedded previous quotations, filling screen 
>after screen before one gets to read whatever it is they 
>have added!
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Absolutely!  When a lot of referred articles have to be included, it would
be nice to sort in only the main sentence(s) of each article.  IMO, readers
would not easily be confused by the omission of some contexts and if they
do (in case they haven't followed from the start), they can still search 
back to those referred article(s) either by looking at the subject or
at the reference header.

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My just-post article is something on the other extreme.  No reference at all!
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: olmstead@sail.uwaterloo.ca ()
Subject: Questions
Originator: olmstead@sail.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:09:59 GMT

Some Questions:


If you were a carpenter in Thailand and were setting out to build a
house what system of units would you purchase the materials in?

How big is a concrete block in Thailand?

How are you billed on your electrical and water bills?

What system of units do Thai engineers and surveyors use?


Sukumvit Soi 107 is referred to as Soi Bearing. What does this mean?
What about Udomsuk (Soi 103)?

Mike
olmstead@sail.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu (Monthian Buntan)
Subject: Re: Khunying Supatra on Internet
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 22:44:22 GMT


I totally agree that we should encourage our people to look back to our good
tradition and good thinkers.  Many liberal humanitarian minded people in
the west
have a lot of respect for people like Taan Buddhatasa and
acharn Sulak.  I'm afraid many of our young people see western so
called democracy as the only way to solve our national problems.
If they're the true successful societies, they couldn't have
started both world wars, they couldn't have bommed and killed people in
Indochina
as if those people were not humanbein
From: gt4458c@prism.gatech.EDU (John Stephens Cronin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: low class
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:03:52 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <BvG9t1.2s8@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> sdurong@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (sripen durongdej) writes:
>Money is not a mean for judging everything.

In fact money is a poor means of judging most things.
From: yongyuth@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Yongyuth Pahirah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: (none)
Date: 5 Oct 1992 12:58:05 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

Chuan agree to set up election monitoring commission

The Nation Oct 4 edition

  PRIME Minister Chuan Leekpai said yesterday he agreed in principle with the
  idea of establishing an election-monitoring commission to ensure clean and
  fair elections at every level.

  Chuan stressed that he supported the idea of having a private and
  independent commission to help the government monitor elections as long as
  its personnel are not government officials.

  ``The government may support the independent commission in terms of budget
  in certain cases, but I want to emphasize that its staffers must not be
  civil servants,'' the premier said.

  The independent PollWatch Committee has called for setting up a permanent
  authorised body to help the Interior Ministry monitor elections to ensure
  fairness.

  Chuan said the Interior Ministry is already directly authorized to organize
  elections and to ensure fairness and deter vote buying.

  In past elections, however, some Interior Ministry officials had neglected
  the electoral law irregularities of some politicians out of fear that those
  politicians might be elected and become their boss.

  The PollWatch panel set up by former Prime Minister Anand Panyarachun to
  oversee the national elections on March 22 and Sept 13 was established on a
  temporary basis. It had the power only to alert the authorities concerned
  about vote buying and other electoral law irregularities.

  The watch dog group was criticized by some during its two incarnations as
  being a waste of government funds, as it was not empowered to take direct
  legal action against electoral law offenders.

  The premier said it would probably take another one or two general elections
  before the electoral process was satisfactory. He said people should
  meanwhile be learning about elections from experience at the local and
  provincial levels.
From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Decentralization = promoting local mafia
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:56:49 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Oct2.215110.15512@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> anuchit@csd-d-1.Stanford.EDU (Anuchit Anuchitanukul) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.155921.2392@news2.cis.umn.edu> bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu () writes:
>>I agree that decentralization may offer more benefits than harm.  However,
>>we should keep most of the basic social services at the national level,
>>such as, health care, equal rights to basic education and employment,
>
>Decentralization means transfer of control to local governments.  
>A provincial governor should have the responsibility to do many things 
>(including health care, education, etc.) rather than simply collecting 
>garbage.
>


I'm sorry when I said we should keep some basic services at the national
level, I mean the legislative process.
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 1992 14:31:11 -0400 
From: Schitt Laowattana <sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: [Repost]Part(4):Major Problems and Limitations in S&TD in Thailand 

 

=============================================================================

    

            Part(4): Raw Material Supplies and Supprtive Industries


    All the three groups of industries under study have extensive
backward and forward linkages.  The absence of upstream or downstream
industries create problems of lack of demand for manufactured products
or lack of supply of raw materials, parts or components.  This results
in the slowing down of technological capability development.  If the
demand is lacking or not sufficiently large, there is no point in
developing capabilities since it will only represent, a waste of
resource.  This is the typical problem of the resource-based industries,
including certain mineral processing and agro-industries.  If the raw
material supplies are poor, inadequate or of low quality, on the other
hand, it is also extremely difficult to increase the capabilities in
downstream industries.  Typical industries facing this problem are
machinery industries, electronics industries, and food industries which
need high quality parts, components, need high quality basic metal and
machinery in order to enable the production of quality products.


    In Thailand, some supporting industries do not exists at all. 
Examples include basic metal industries, and certain parts and component
industries based on relatively new technologies such as powder
metallurgy, ceramic coating, high precision electronic parts etc.  The
production of tool materials or componds or components based on
available resource such as tungsten carbide, tool steels, tin componds,
capacitors(from tantalite)  etc. is also wholly inadequate.  The quality
of products from existing parts industries, whilst acceptable to a large
number of downstream industries, are not acceptable to industries which
require high quality, high precision parts and components.  The
consistency in product or raw material quality is one of the major
problems.


============================================================================

Please stand by for Part(5) "Lack of Specialized Technology
Centers.........  ....in this net.


Posted by
Schitt  Laowattana



Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Suggestions for the new government
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:06:00 GMT

In article <Bv73B4.7LC@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumno writes...
>anuchit@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Anuchit Anuchitanukul) writes:
> 
>>     1) What are the problems of the country that you want the new
>>        goverment to tackle? 
> 
>IMO, there are two goals the government has to try to achieve at the same
>time. One is the attempt to solve the country's problems; the other is
>the democracy itself. I would rather see and half of the effort on the
>goverment part to deal with the latter one. 
> 
The military should be prevented from holding political office, from running
radio stations, from any political activity of any sort.  This decoupling
of the militia from the government is essential in an effective democracy.

Those responsible for the May killings should be sought out and prosecuted,
not forgiven.  All the army and police chiefs involved should be fired
at the very least.

>>     3) Any suggestion, any policy, anything you would like to say to 
>>        the new prime minister, Khun Chuan Leekpai, if you have a chance
>>        to talk to him. 
> 

The police force should be completely restructured, with an entirely new
leadership dedicated to preventing corrupt activities.

MPs should be required to declare their business interests publicly, as they
are in the UK.  Government ministers should have no conflict of interests - 
if a conflict arises they must cease the relevant business activity or resign.

Laurence
From: emaruchi@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: Come on. Farangs and Thais are good
Date: 1 OCT 92 18:06:29 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

        I have read many postings about Farangs and Thai.  Come on, both
of us are good, no problem.  Some one raised money issue to discuss on the
network.  Money is not a big issue, do not envy each other.  Rich or poor,
no problem.  Good luck every body, both Farangs and Thais.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu (Monthian Buntan)
Subject: Thai-Farang
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: soc.culture.thai
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:43:11 GMT


I think it is quite difficult for us Thai or Farang to generalize
each  other based on race, gender and culture.  Let's talk more about our
individual experience and more accurate statistics.  I wonder what
percentage of American
people would know about Thailand.  How many of them know who we are, what
language
we speak, or even where our country is located?  One time, I was asked by my
American class mate if Thai people speak Japanese or  Chinese as our
native language.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu (Monthian Buntan)
Subject: Re: Khunyings and M.Rs
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:44:37 GMT


I think the true democracy should listen to all voices even though we may
make a final decision based on a majority vote.
Those privileged people may have good things to say too.
We should not allow ourselves to discriminate against people no
matter what class, race, gender or religions they belong to.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: pxu8785@usl.edu (Uthayopas Putchong)
Subject: Re: Khunyings and M.Rs
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:42:56 GMT

In article <26SEP199221212060@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>
>Personally I think it's likely to be much more interesting to hear what
>ordinary Thai people think, than what the Khunyings, M.R.'s and others
>privileged by accidents of birth have to say.  I don't think they have
>ever lived in the real world anyway.
>
There are 2 point here:
1) Khunying Supattra is not a born aristocrat. She got this title as
a reward for her goodness. You have a little misunderstanding about this.
2) I think it more interesting to hear from EVERYONE even from the
priviledge birth person. From them we can know the different point of
view of the problem from where they stand.

>As far as I know, the Thai aristocracy have been getting their educations
>in the west for many years, and it hasn't done any good for anyone except
>themselves.
>
>Laurence
>
Actually I can think of a lot of Thai aristocracy who have been getting
their educations in the west and bring a lot of good thing to Thailand.
From them we have modern way education, modern medical system, modern
transportation  and more to say. If we don't have them at that time, 
Thailand must have been colonize by some western country !



Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: sdurong@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (sripen durongdej)
Subject: low class
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:00:36 GMT

"low class" is classified by the way people behave.  It has nothing to do
with money.  If a person is rich, has very high educational background, came
from a big name family, live in a so called high-tech society, but still behave
physically, mentally and morally bad, he/she is still classified as low class.  
Money is not a mean for judging everything.
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: gt4458c@prism.gatech.EDU (John Stephens Cronin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Thank you
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:14:03 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <QemmLCC00YV7Q3=lEv@andrew.cmu.edu> sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Schitt Laowattana) writes:
>    I have been here in USA for quite a while.  When I walk in streets,
>americans always shout at me with very impolite words.  I don't even
>know these people.  Just yesterday, some people threw things at my head
>while I am walking back to my home.  There is no point to be mad about
>this, eventhough head is the last thing you want to play with, in our
>Thai society.  This treatment contradicts to what most farangs get
>during their visit to Thailand.  When I was a young kid, I always help
>showing directions to farangs with my "hand" language(I could not speak
>English at that time).

It makes me angry every time I see or hear about something like this.
As an American (all the rest of the countries in North or South America
get mad when we call ourselves this, but none of the rest of of those
countries has ever bothered to include America in their name ie United
States of America), I have travelled quite a bit, in Europe mostly, and
the only place I got any "Yankee go home" stuff was in Paris, and then
only once.  I think we are treated better in other countries than other
people are treated here, with some few exceptions (ie a Black in South
Africa or an Arab in Israel).  One of my current room-mates is quite
racist, and it is more common than many may want to admit.  In fact, I
have come to the conclusion that racism is universal among human beings,
one of the many things we all have in common.  Sad, but apparently true.
By the way, I have given up trying to educate my room-mate and have
instead simply forced him to move out.  He leaves today or tomorrow.
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: I love to have Farangs working in my office
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 13:55:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.161840.2701@news2.cis.umn.edu>, bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu ()            writes...
>In article <1OCT92.23043077@meena.cc.uregina.ca> emaruchi@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes:
>>	I am working at the Royal Forest Department of Thailand.  I like very 

.(stuff deleted)

>>preparing rooms, clean washrooms with toilet paper.  (About the toilet paper, 
>>according to the regulations issued by the government, Thai
>>government agencies are NOT allowed to buy toilet paper by using the government
>>budget.  They may want us to 
>>use water to clean after our toilet activities).  Most Thais working in this 

Nothing wrong with this.  All Asians know that this is the only civilized
way to do it, and that paper should only be used for drying afterwards.
I think the farang were introduced to toilet paper by the Chinese, most
of whom do not use it - they too use water - maybe they were playing a joke
on the dumb farangs who attempted to colonize China and get them all
addicted to opium.  My own theory is that they had an excess of soft paper
from their mills and one bright Chinaman said "why not sell it to the
farang (the Chinese word translates as barbarian) and tell them to stick
it up their asses", and the farang bought it!

Laurence

(I reserve the copyright on the above text, as I used an extended version of
it in my book on Thailand)
From: honglak@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Hongladaromp Kaiwan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Activities Search : )
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:42:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Sep30.174212.20110
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.

Hello all,

Lately I cannot see any HI-TECH activities in this group, esp about net-effort.
Back a while, there are some mesg about maintenance Thai-student DB.

Can anybody hint me where they are gone!!! Or there are such a movement in
the other groups.

Thanks All  :)

Kaiwan Hongladaromp (NUI)  ; kaiwan@ee.fit.edu

PS: For people who have access to internet, anybody r interested in joinning
    #Thailand channel in IRC chat... :)
From: yongyuth@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Yongyuth Pahirah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: (none)
Date: 5 Oct 1992 12:57:19 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au


Anand will return to private sector.

The Nation Oct 2 edition

  FORMER prime minister Anand Panyarachun, who left office yesterday, said he
  would return to work at the Saha Union Co.

  ``After stepping down from the post of premier, I will have a rest,'' Anand
  said. ``I still do not know what to do next. I have scarcely laid any plans
  in my life. I will become an employee of Saha Union Company again, anyway.''

  He declined to compare his administration with the new Chuan Cabinet, saying
  administrations should compete with one another only in their achievements
  and not in quarrelling.

  Anand brushed aside a question about whether another ``political accident''
  might see him become prime minister for the third time, saying the new
  government has been formed and taken an oath of office before His Majesty
  the King.

  ``From now on it is the duty of the Thais and MPs to help the government to
  work for the country's prosperity,'' he said.

  The first Anand administration, formed after the Feb 23 coup last year,
  lasted 13 months while his second government, installed after the bloody May
  crisis, lasted for three months and two weeks.

  Asked if he would write his autobiography, Anand said he had never had such
  an idea because he would be unable to refrain from criticizing other people
  which was unacceptable to Thais.

  ``Most Thais are narrow-minded. I've got quite different habits from the
  Thais in general,'' he said.

  Anand said he did not care about any accusations against him because they
  were ``a waste of time''.

  ``If we know there is dung there, we should avoid stepping on it. What's the
  point in stepping on it?'' he said.

  A group of MPs has asked the Counter Corruption Commission to investigate
  what it describes as ``irregularities'' in the Anand administration's
  handling of the 3-million-line telephone expansion projects, the laying of
  underwater cable and contractual changes with major oil distributors.

  Anand said he bade farewell to HM the King before the King left for Taksin
  Rajanives Palace in Narathiwat province recently.

  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: air fair
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: soc.culture.thai
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:21:09 GMT


Does anyone know what the air fair will be like around January?  I'm
planning to go back home for a few months.  Also I would appreciate any
suggestion of where to get the best deal.

By the way, I plan to stop at Japan for a week  or so.

Thank you.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: RACISM and Farang kee nok
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:35:00 GMT

In article <BvCKHL.HoA@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, olmstead@sail.uwaterloo.ca ()             writes...
>To Thai netters:
> 
>I have been accused on your network of being a racist because I called
>someone else a racist for making a generalization of a group of people,

Don't take the postings from Khun S too seriously - he is one of those
people who are not interested in any arguments, facts or anything else that
contradicts what he thinks, and apparently incapable of logical thought where
farang are concerned.  In fact, to borrow a phrase which other xenophobes
have recently introduced on the net, his head is full of "kee nok".


I wouldn't worry much anyway - people like Khun S don't merit much concern.
Like you, I too have received several emails from people (Thai people and
a couple of farang) that agree with my arguments and have convinced me 
that postying to the net on this group is not a total waste of time.  Khun S, however, 
however, is of the opinion that despite my advanced age (39) I am too
"childish" to have a PhD (I got it 11 years ago now, so it's too late to
hand it back to the university I think!), that it is unfair that my
criticisms are written in English because that enables me to convince other
farang of my arguments.  KhunS is quite sure that he'll never hire any
farang to work in Thailand, but I would guess that he 'll never be in any
position to do so.

regards, Laurence

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