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From: rakoczynskij@gtephx.UUCP (Jurek Rakoczynski)
Subject: Auto Fuels Handbook - SAE
Organization: AG Communication Systems, Phoenix, Arizona
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:15:36 GMT

I plan on ordering in a few weeks a copy of _Automotive Fuels
Handbook_ by Keith Qwen and Trevor Coley, published by the Society of
Automotive Engineers.

Does anyone have of copy of it?  Any comments about it?
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From: tkelley@hel4.brl.mil (Troy Kelley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
Subject: Toyota Rust Protection
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:09:34 GMT
Organization: HEL

Question: Do Toyota 4X4's get underbody rust protection from the
factory?

Question: Would it be foolish to rust proof a truck (using Zehbert)
which had 20,000 miles already on it? Don't you run the risk of
cracking the rust coat with the old rust that will continue to 
expand under the new rust proofing coat?
From: gt5404b@prism.gatech.EDU (Thomas Nord)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: What does GT mean in all these sports models ?
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:44:15 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

In article <64532@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0963d@prism.gatech.EDU (Deeptendu Majumder) writes:
>The subject line says it all :-)
>
>thanks
>d.

	That the automobile was designed by a Georgia Tech Engineer,
of course!!! :^)

-Tom

Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
From: eliot@chutney.rtp.dg.com (Topher Eliot)
Subject: Re: Starting out?
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 15:11:56 GMT
Distribution: rec
Reply-To: eliot@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <eur.712237718@dutncp8>, eur@dutncp2.tn.tudelft.nl (Eur van Andel) writes:
|> >What are the minimum tools that I need to be able to start working on
|> >the car? Should I buy the tools as I need or is there a minimum tool
|> >box that I should get? Which is the best (cost effective) tool box to
|> >get? 
|> A 1/2" wrench set of GOOD ($$$) quality.
You know, I have basically the same attitude (cheap tools are a waste of time),
but for some reason I bought a set of cheap Taiwanese socket wrenches and I've
been amazed at how well they've served me.  I've been using them for years now,
doing substantial work to a number of cars, and have yet to be seriously
disappointed by them.

|> >I was thinking of changing the engine oil/filter by myself next
|> >weekend. Can I screw it up in a big way? 
|> No. Get an oil filter-changer-tool and a can to get the old oil.
|> Be sure to have a good fitting wrench for the oil plug.
|> 
|> Drive the car for 10 miles so the oil heats up, drain it, put
|> in a new filter (screw on with your hand) and pour in new oil.
|> 
|> The only way you can screw up is to drive without oil.

I have a plastic bottle thing designed just for oil changes.  On one side is
a cover about 5" across that unscrews.  You drain the oil straight into that
hole, put the cover back on (it seals with a big O-ring), take it to a garage,
take the cover off the little opening on the top of the jug, and pour the oil
into their tank.  It works great.  I got it at K-mart for a few bucks.

I always spill a little, so I put newspaper down under the jug before removing
the oil plug.

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Newsgroups: rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Shop Manual Advice: 88-Mercury Tracer
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 25 Jul 92 20:25:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059


-> Not to overly plug any product, but I have become a great believer in
-> Haynes shop manuals.  They're British, which can make them a little

 I fully agree.  I like the way they actually tear a car down and show
you how to do things, rather than cribbing from the factory manual.  A
Chilton's or Clymer's will tell you how to diagnose, say, a bad
alternator, then tells you to run down to your dealer and shell out $225
for a new one.  The Haynes manuals typically tell you how to fabricate
the proper tools out of a coat hanger and some strap iron, and show you
how to do it yourself.  *Much* better IMHO.
From: dlou@WORF.UCSD.EDU (Dennis Lou)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Double Jointed Accelerator pedals
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:16:29 GMT
Reply-To: dlou@ece.ucsd.edu
Organization: University of California, San Diego


Anybody have any idea why manufacturers use double jointed 
accelerator pedals?

My `81 Accord has just a rod with a pedal glued to it for an accelerator.
My friend's `82 has a rod with a pivot at the end of it with the pedal
attatched at its center to this pivot point.

I personally prefer the one peice accelerator as it gives you better 
control.  I've not seen a race car with the double joints.

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: Steam Clean Engine
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 22:16:10 GMT

Took the Camaro in for an oil change today..and they guy rec. an
engine steam clean (it was sorta hanus..the engine was literaly
DIRTY)...so I had it done...looks great!
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dca@verity.com (David Anderson)
Subject: VW, Ghia, 914 comparisons?
Reply-To: dca@verity.com
Organization: Verity, Inc., Mountain View, Calif.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 01:42:59 GMT

I am considering purchasing one of three cars: a Porsche 914, a VW
Karmann Ghia convertible, or a VW superbeetle convertible, and I'd
like some more information about them.

I am familiar with volkswagens in general, although not the
convertible kinds specifically.  I know next to nothing about
real-world experience with 914's or ghias except what I can
extrapolate from vw's, although I read a haynes repair manual on the
914.

Mostly I am interested in maintainability.  Since none of these cars
have been made for awhile (except Mexican and Brazilian bugs), real
amounts of maintenance will be required.  Many more vw's were made
than either of the others, so parts cost and availability is an issue.
I prefer to do some of my own maintenance to cut down on mechanics
costs, but I have no idea how easy the 914 or ghia is to work on.  I
remember the 1800 dual-carb in my bus was a real pain, but that had
more to do with the egr that had been partially removed and the two
carbs.  If anybody has lived with several of these cars over the
years, please speak up.

I am also interested in comparisons of the various model years;
without any more information I assume later means better, since there
has been more time to fix problems.  But complexity goes up too, which
I don't think is a particularly good thing.

Engine-swapping seems to be going on full-bore, especially for the
porsche.  Will any engine fit in any car?  I suppose it depends on the
engine the car was originally sold with.  What goes with what?  What
about the 6-cylinder porsche engines they used for the 914S and 914/6
(Are these the same models with slightly different names?), and the
other porsche engines?  Does engine-swapping tend to unbalance the
car, or does space limit the added poundage so it's not a problem?

I would expect the 6-cylinders to be beefier and somewhat more complex
versions of the good-ole vw engines.  How true is this?  Would I need
a new set of expensive tools and a degree from Porsche to work on
them?

The Ghia seems very similar to the 914 from a structural viewpoint.
How much of the above information on 914's could apply to them?  I
know nothing about the various model years of Ghias.  Can somebody
give me a rundown?

In the Bay Area, they all seem to cost about the same amount -- $4000
for a good-condition model.  Is this true across the country?

Pointers to more information would be much appreciated.  There are
undoubtedly many shops that specialize in these issues.  Any
suggestions?  Any good Bay Area shops (pref. South Bay)?

Please mail me directly, as our netnews backlog is kept short here and
I don't want to have to poll the list continually.  I will be happy to
summarize for interested parties or the net if desired.

					David Anderson
					dca@verity.com
From: carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Luxury Performance Cars
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:56:59 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: karen@synopsys.com's message of 20 Jul 92 16:50:52 GMT
bcc: carl


>Legend   - Just not impressed 

	What don't you like about the Legend, specifically (I have one
and I'm curious).  It's the quickest in it's class (it'll leave the
J30 in the dust).  It's suspension is a little soft but that could be
firmed up for not much extra $ with a different set of shocks from a
reputable performance place.  It's long wheelbase (114") makes it
smooth on the highway.

The Acura Vigor does 0-60 in approximately 8.8 sec (one sec slower
than the Legend but still faster than the J30 or Audi 100) and has
very nice and tight handling.  Take one for a test ride if you want to
be suprised.  It has the moonroof (that you want), you can get a DSP
stereo (which I love, my wife has a Vigor, btw).  It has a 110"
wheelbase!

The J30 has *VERY LITTLE* trunk space.  That can be important if you
ever plan on going on a trip.

>As a current BMW owner, I drive somewhat aggressively.  I like a stiff
>ride and you can't get a stiff ride at all in the Lexus' sedans.
>If you could, I would probably by a Lexus sedan.

So, why don't you just stick with the 325i ?  Looks aside, it's a
pretty nice car, albeit a little smaller than the others you're
considering.

The other car to check out would be the Maxima SE but I've gotta say
that there's been a lot of talk in this newsgroup about problems with
Nissan and warranty issues.

I took the Audi 100 for a ride and if it had a stronger motor it would
have stood a much better chance.  The chassis is great in this car.

Enough rambling, let us know what you decide on and good luck with
whatever you get :^)

-Carl-
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From: rrosen@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Randy Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Need Info - T-Bird SC...
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:06:17 GMT
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com


I'm in the market for a new T-Bird SC, and I'll probably wait until
the '93s are available.  Do any of you have any experience with this
style of T-Bird ('90, '91, & '92)?  I want to know whether you like
it, any problems, what to look (or look out) for, what options to
get (or avoid).  Ya' know, I just want input!

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Randy

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From: nsw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Neil Weinstock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Info on Centennial tires?
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:45:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Flying Squid Patrol

OK, so I was getting a tire fixed at STS and it turned out the tire was
destroyed and I wasn't expecting it and I hadn't researched tires at *all*
but I certainly wasn't going to pay U.S. cash for another goddamn MXV to
replace it and so like a dork I ended up buying a Centennial tire which is
STS's private (?) brand which is made by the same folks who make Dunlop
assuming the STS guy was telling the truth.  <breath>

So I now have a single Centennial Interceptor HR-X on my car.  It is, in
theory, a decently high-performance all-season tire.  It was priced around
$100 if I recall (this was a while ago).  I can't comment on its performance,
since I've currently got 3 old MXVs and one Interceptor, so majority rules
and therefore wet traction sucks.

I will soon be buying a complete new set of tires, and will probably keep the
Interceptor around as a spare.  I can't help wondering if anyone knows
anything about it, like if it's a decent tire or not.  I had thoughts that
maybe it might corresponded to a particular Dunlop model, and so I'd buy three
matching Dunlops and that would be that.  I'm probably not going to go that
way, however, for various reasons.  (My reasons not to get three more
Interceptors, BTW, are that (1) the tire is an unknown and (2) I can get a
set of four of a known model (AVS U+4, e.g.) elsewhere for about the same $$
as three Interceptors.)

Any info would be appreciated.

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From: sparck@adobe.com (Debbie Sparck)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 1984 Mercury Topaz  **Price Reduced**
Keywords: $2200, great, family car
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:50:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

**** PRICE REDUCED FOR QUICK SALE ****

1984 Mercury Topaz

- 4 door
- Automatic transmission
- Power steering & brakes
- Air Conditioning
- Cruise Control
- Tilt Wheel
- New pullout AM/FM cassette deck
- New brakes and front tires
- Runs well
- Clean and in good condition
- Regularly maintained and have all service records
- Reliable transportation

This really is a decent car and still has years of use left in it! It is a  
prefect family car and has served me well throughout my school years. Give it a  
look and test drive it and see what you think!

**** Price reduced to $2200 ****

Call (415) 962-2769 or email either address below.
This car is located in the Bay Area, CA.
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: greg@gregm.Berkeley.EDU (Greg Moritz)
Subject:  Re: Sentra E vs. Saturn SL (SE-R & SC)
Reply-To: greg@gregm.b23b.ingr.com (Greg Moritz)
Organization: Dazix, An Intergraph Company
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 19:44:59 GMT


Unreferenced quote:
> >  Maybe I'll consider a Saturn after its 5th year of *good cars* 
> >  and *good service*.  Maybe...

My sentiments exactly.  I like Saturns and wish them the best of success
(notice I did not say luck?).                                    ^^^^^^^

> And maybe there will still be good jobs to be found in this country in 5
> years so that you can earn enough money to pay for your car. Maybe, just
> maybe....

I'll  have to take my chances here.  Fortunately, Nissan is employing
a lot of Americans building cars here.  As they gain more experience here,
they will, perhaps, start exporting like Honda does.  Honda, will probably
eventually gain the status of a *net* exporter of products built in 
America if they keep up the work they are doing.  Hardly a claim that can
be made by any American maker.

> The Saturn is an excellent car. Why don't you consider investing in the
> future of America rather that look for every little excuse to send more
> money overseas.

I 'considered investing in the future of America' in 1985 when I bought
my Ford (lemon) Mustang SVO.  [I'll spare you the details.]  I won't 
give the American makes a second chance to screw me again without waiting
for them to *prove* themselves.

When the American automakers understand that their problem is millions
of others like me out there, perhaps they will be a little closer to 
understanding why people won't give them a chance.

I hope that your Saturn turns out to be great and that you have no 
problems with it.  GM/Ford/Chrysler are running out of people who are
willing to give them another chance.
From: cmermag@smoke.brl.mil (Chris Mermagen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Buying car
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:15:18 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Laboratory, APG, MD.

ES300
From: james@koko.csustan.edu (Jonas Grumpy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Neeeded - Name of Car
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:06:42 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <1992Jul31.142641.8448@cs.tulane.edu> finnegan@navo.navy.mil writes:
>In article <1992Jul31.124753.487@trantor.harris-atd.com>, pbarone@x102a.ess.harris.com (barone philip 00309) writes:
>|> IAEXP000@BLURT.OSWEGO.EDU writes:
>|> : I'm not sure if this is the right newsgroup for this, and if it's not then
>|> : please point me in the right direction.
>|> :  
>|> : In a new Burger King commercial (for fish sandwiches or some such) a young
>|> : couple is stranded in the desert with a flat tire in a classic blue 
>|> : convertable.  Can someone identify for me the name and year of this car?
>|> :  
>|> : 
>|>     Was there a car in that commercial! I didn't even see it. That babe is
>|>     sooo hottt I can't believe it. I guess I just like Poka Dots. Hey that 
>|>     rhymes.
>|> 
>
>I believe the car in the commercial is a VW Karmann Ghia convertible. Hard
>to tell what year.  Ask in rec.autos.vw
>
>Kenneth
>finnegan@navo.navy.mil


No its a cadillac. I think around '60. Its got a nice paint job.
From: johnc@yuma.acns.colostate.edu (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 4wd sports utility recommendations sought
Summary: I will heed Mr. Rendleman's advice
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:33:24 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Jul21.175452.4349@news.csd.sgi.com> jesse@camelot.sgi.com (Jesse Rendleman) writes:
>In article <Jul21> I wrote:
>>P.S.  I have not updated my voluminous SUV posting lately, but will do so and
>>repost if there is interest.  In case the address in the header has ".uucp" or
>>something else appended to it, mail requests to:
>>      johnc@yuma.acns.colostate.edu

>Please don't!  I think everyone here is aware of your crusade 
>against the "SUV" from your many previous posts on the subject.

Fine.  Although I have received positive feedback in the past, and, in
general, only respond to queries rather than originating posts, I will heed
Mr. Rendleman's advice and not pollute the net with any more noise.  New
readers join the net daily, and eventually learn how to ask questions on
the net, but I'm sure they can get along without my garbage.

I tried to respond directly to Mr. Rendleman, but the relay machine at SGI
apparently does not know about his host.  "Camelot.sgi.com" is an unknown host.

>One factor you overlook in recommending 4wd minivans over SUVs
>is that most (all?) of these vans have two front doors, and *one*
>sliding side door.  This means if you have two passengers in the
>back, one of them has to slide/crawl/limbo into their seat.

This is a point I had, indeed, overlooked.  It is certainly a criterion for
some people, although others persist in buying vehicles with back seats but
only two doors.

>Besides, even if people are buying SUVs only for "style" reasons..
>WHO CARES !?? 

They don't know they're buying "style."  They think they're buying some
utilitarian value for which many (but by no means all) have no real use.  They
plan a move to Colorado or decide to take up camping and then decide they
need a 4wd utility vehicle to do it.  They may not stop to consider all the
options and the costs and compromises involved in owning a 4wd SUV.  I am
trying to prevent too much disappointment when the compromises and short-
comings in a $20,000 vehicle become all too obvious.

Style is a perfectly valid and time-honored reason for choosing a vehicle.
People buy Cadillacs and sports coupes for that reason all the time, and are
willing to acknowledge it.  Buyers of SUVs, on the other hand, try to justify
the purchase on the basis of some utilitarian value when they really just like
the looks of the thing and the feeling they get from sitting up high.  That's
OK.  My advice is to merely know what you're getting and why.

Anyway, enough noise.  I seem to be aggravating people, and will attempt 
future responses by e-mail.

     John Cooley
     Yes, I own a 4wd SUV.
From: Larry.Mc.Donald@ofa123.Fidonet.org (Larry Mc Donald)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Horsepower is a mean
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 07:23:02 PDT
Organization: Universal Electronics Inc. (Public access BBS)


PL>Why not use PVC pipe.  You can get it with ratings that high.  And it glues
PL>together easily.  Not much plumbing experience needed.  You could use long
PL>runs of 3,4,5" or more pipe to increase the volume of your tank and then
PL>tap off the pipes where needed.  A friend of mine did this and it works
PL>great.

   PVC pipe is actually *illegal* to use in a compressed air
applications. If you hit it or somehow damage pvc pipe with
compressed air in it, it turns into a shrapnel bomb.
   That being said, I use schedule 80 pvc pipe for air line all
the time. I wouldn't dream of using anything less than Sch.80,
but I've never had a problem with it yet.

   Max pressures for PVC pipe, Sch.80:

3/4"   = 1130psi      1/2" = 850psi    3/4" = 690psi    1" = 630psi
1-1/4" = 520 psi    1-1/2" = 471psi      2" = 400
2-1/2" = 425psi         3" = 375psi

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: Acura Integra: How much?
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:01:19 GMT

>>>>> On 20 Jul 92 13:16:14 CDT, chris@dranet.dra.com said:

chris> I'm in the market for a used car, specifically the '88 models
chris> of the Acura Intergra.

chris> I've checked out a few at some used car dealerships and was
chris> wondering what these cars are worth.

chris> The specifics of the cars I'm looking at are:

chris> 1988 Integra LS 2 - door about 50,xxx to 60,xxxx miles

chris> The dealers starting price on these cars are about $9000.

chris> Does anyone know what these cars are really worth in todays
chris> market?  (What would be a good deal?)

chris> Obviously they're not worth $9000.

chris> Any advice would be GREATLY appriciated.

chris> Also, any comments on the car (ie repairs records) would be
chris> welcome.

I would think with that many miles $9000 is too much, since you can
get a new RS for about $11,000. $6000-$7000 would be more believable.
The Integra does retain a very good resell value. I have an 89 LS,
with 33,000 miles on it, and it runs great. The biggest problem I had,
was the muffler got a hairline crack in it. The dealer replaced it
free of all cost under warranty.

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