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From: andyt@pogo.wv.tek.com (Andy Tilp)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Interesting ticket....
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:32:35 GMT
Distribution: or
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

RandyG writes:
> I sent something to Edward on this but now that I think about it, it seems
> worth posting to the net.  If Edward feels the ticked was unfair then this
> may be worth pursuing.  If on the other hand he was speeding then why even
> ask? If the speeding ticket was a consequence of his actions, then accept it.
> Why is there such a strong tendency to avoid the consequences of our actions?

Hear, hear.  This damaging attitude of "its not my fault" is too
pervasive in our society.  Look at the House check bouncing feasco "
Its not my fault I wrote all those bad checks, the bank never told
me....."  Or our Senator "Its not my fault I accosted those women, it
was the fault of the liquor".  Or the auto makers "Its not our fault
we can't develop a car that meet the customer's wants and needs, its
the Japaneese and the customer's fault......".  And the school system,
and on and on and on......

I believe when we make a mistake, we ought to take responsiblity for
our action, then say "I'll try harder next time".  And then really do
try harder.  Its called incremental improvement or learning from our
mistakes.  Mistakes are great teachers, providing we listen to them.

So, Edward, if you really were careening down the highway way over the
speed limit, then admit it, you broke the law. Pay the ticket and slow
down.

Andy
From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Carry automobile proof-of-insurance in Portland
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:33:59 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon

When they pull you over, Portland City police have begun asking for
proof-of-insurance as well as license and registration, and they will
tow cars with no such proof.  Better get your paperwork into your glove
boxes.

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
From: iota@agora.rain.com (David Friedman)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Interesting ticket....
Date: 9 Jan 93 23:42:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.C0M1v1.FL8
Distribution: or
Organization: Open Communications Forum

In article <14204@pogo.wv.tek.com> randyg@pogo.wv.tek.com (Randy Gibbons;6853178;63-356;LP=A;P0fG) writes:
>I sent something to Edward on this but now that I think about it, it seems 
>worth posting to the net.  If Edward feels the ticked was unfair then this
>may be worth pursuing.  If on the other hand he was speeding then why even
>ask?  If the speeding ticket was a consequence of his actions, then accept it.
>Why is there such a strong tendency to avoid the consequences of our actions?
>
To give up even one of legal rights is to give up *all* of our rights.
Respect for the law must be accepted by both parties, if one party, 
in this case the police, sloppily administers the law then the other party,
the speeder, must fight it.  This is perfectly ethical.  If the crime were
more serious, murder, drug importing, revolutionary activity, and the police
didn't follow correct procedures, the accused has every right to question
and challenge the evidence and charges.  Thank God we still have these rights.
These rights are the greatest thing about the United States, IMHO.

On the previous vain, four years ago I lived in Portland and had a girlfriend
in Seattle.  My friend would drive up for reserve duty and I would go to see 
her.  My friend would get very tired and ask me to drive back...well, I was
usually pretty tired too (grin).  One night I was pulling out of a parking
spot on W. Nickerson, where the road comes down Queen Anne Hill pretty fast, 
and everyone always speeds down it.  I saw a car in the far lane, it wasn't
signalling, and pulled out.  The car rammed us in the drivers door and instantly
two police cars arrive.  I'm in shock.  She obviously changed lanes without 
looking or signalling.  The police charged me with something about illegal
exiting from a parking space.  It was because of our Oregon plates and that
I wouldn't admit *I* was at fault.  I was in shock, I wasn't going to answer
anything.  Anyway, I moved up to Seattle a month later and appearred in court,
ready to challenge the ticket.  The hearing officer dismissed the charges
against me because the file wasn't there, and I was!  None of this, "well, we
don't have the file here, come back next week."  I was free.  Best five minutes
I ever spent in a courtroom.

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From: johnm@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com.mcm.hp.com (John Mosbarger)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Carry automobile proof-of-insurance in Portland
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:22:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpmcaa.1993Jan08.202248.2810
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit - McMinnville, OR
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Andrew Klossner (andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM) wrote:
: When they pull you over, Portland City police have begun asking for
: proof-of-insurance as well as license and registration, and they will
: tow cars with no such proof.  Better get your paperwork into your glove
: boxes.
: 
:   -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
:                        (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)

     First offense is a warning.  The second time is a tow job.

John
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From: neighorn@nosun.West.Sun.COM (Steve Neighorn - Contractor Sun/Portland)
Newsgroups: or.general,pdx.computing
Subject: Technical Management Position
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:21:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: nosun.1993Jan8.222114.4161
Distribution: or
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc, Portland Oregon

******************************************************

NOTE: Posting for a customer: please contact Kevin
      directly.

******************************************************

TECHNICAL MANAGEMENT POSITION; Pacific Power and Light

Chief object architect on a development project,
needs to be familiar with C++ and object oriented
technology. Savvy at dealing with different computer
cultures; mainframe, Sun, etc.

Contact Kevin Citron, 233-0278

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10635 S.W. 127th Court       frontier against Xur and the Ko-dan Armada"
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From: merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Oregon Vortex
Date: 8 Jan 93 06:30:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.MERLYN.93Jan7223030
Organization: Stonehenge Consulting Services; Portland, Oregon, USA

>>>>> In article <1993Jan7.233820.3508@hpcvca.cv.hp.com>, scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com (Scott Linn) writes:

Scott> I had heard that the cabin used to be a mining assay office, and that it
Scott> slid down the hill a ways during a mudslide, coming to rest all screwed
Scott> up.  Then, later, it was made into an attraction.

Yes.... but somehow the boards ended up getting "cut" at different angles!

That was my very very first clue that I had solid evidence that it was
a hoax.  That, and the amateur explanation of the corolois effect ("it
happnes only here!"  NOT!), and the way I was pushed from my
straight-on angle to take a picture "from the side over there... it
looks better".  Of course.  That's the illusion.  Oh yeah, and the
warning that "planes avoid flying over the area, because it messes
with their compass".  Funny... my sectional's not marked there at all,
and no NOTAMs either.  :-)

Anyway, you pays yer money and you takes yer chances.  It's a magic
act.  I can only hope that the operators know it's a magic act, and
don't start believing it themselves.

Just another closet magician,
-- 
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From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Announcing the 1993 NeXTWORLD EXPO and First Call for Exhibitors
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:27:50 GMT
Reply-To: user_groups@next.com

Announcing the 1993 NeXTWORLD EXPO

What it is....

The 2nd annual gathering of the world-wide NeXT community!
	An international Developers Conference!
		An educational Users Conference!
			A NeXTSTEP product exposition!
				A global User Group Meeting!

Call 1-800-767-2336 -or- from outside North America call
(508)470-3880 or fax to (508)470-0526 for registration information.

When it is...     
  
   MAY 25-27, 1993,
      

Where it is...

   THE MOSCONE CENTER,
   SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA, USA
           

What to do....

Pass the word.  Tell your colleagues, fellow user group members,
other computer industry user group members, fellow NeXTSTEP
developers, potential developers, and friends, to schedule this date,
and stay tuned for more information!!  Please post this message to
local and community electronic bulletin boards and feel free to
publish in your user group or company newsletters.

If you wish to receive future electronic updates regarding the 1993
NeXTWORLD Expo, please send email to the following address:

	user_groups@next.com

Once again, call to get on the postal mailing list for advanced
registration and more information about the 1993 NeXTWORLD Expo....

1-800-767-2336 -or- from outside North America call 508-470-3880
-or- fax (508)470-0526.



_____________________________________________________________________
CALL FOR EXHIBITORS AT 1993 NeXTWORLD EXPO

Join us from May 25-27 at Moscone Center in San Francisco for the
second annual gathering of the worldwide NeXT community, and
International Developers conference, an educational Users conference,
a NeXTSTEP product exposition, and a global User Group meeting!

NeXTWORLD Expo is being co-sponsored by NeXTWORLD Magazine and
Digital Consulting, Inc. (DCI).  DCI is handling all show management
and logistics for this year's Expo.

Exhibitors please contact Matthew Schmuck or Charlie Hurth at DCI
West--
        408 280 6778 voice
        408 280 6779 fax

Exhibitor kits will be available December 28.  Space will be assigned
on a first-come, first-serve basis. (Past NeXTWORLD Expo exhibitors
will be given priority consideration for space selection through
January 10).

Expo and Conference Attendees:

To participate in the User Conference, Developer Conference, or to 
attend the Expo, call 1-800-767-2336.  International callers can fax 
inquiries to DCI at 508-470-0526. Please label all correspondence:

        Attention: NeXTWORLD Expo

and include your name, address, business name, FAX and phone numbers.


Thank you,
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Manager, International NeXT User Groups



Newsgroups: or.general
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Oregon Vortex
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:44:20 GMT

mikelo@cecil.mentorg.com (Mike Lottridge) writes:

>There was a tv program about this a few days ago, but I missed it. 
>Supposedly, there's some point in Oregon where your ability to judge
>perspective and distance gets distorted (actually, I've noticed this
>after leaving McMenamins on occasion). Does anyone know what the story
>is here, and where this place is?

Could it also be the Wedding Chapel?  =)  snicker, snicker

allen
From: chrisk@pcx.ncd.com (Chris Kessel)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: 1979 Trans Am, 400 engine, $6500 obo
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:28:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: pcx.1993Jan6.192837.25123
Distribution: or
Organization: NCD PC-Xdivision, Beaverton, OR

1979 Pontiac Trans AM Special Edition, $6500 or best offer.  

Classic american muscle.  

Full rundown:
+Pontiac 400 engine (not the crummy oldsmobile 403)
+102,000 miles
+4 speed manual "rock crusher" Doug Nash designed, T-10 Borg-Warner 
Transmission.
+8 inch alloy rims
+WS-6 special handling package
+limited slip differential
+power windows
+power steering
+power brakes
+power door locks
+tilt wheel
+factory T-tops (much nicer than any after markets)
+black, with full decals
+air conditioning
+velour, oversized bucket seats
+Goodyear Eagle P275 tires (bought about 1 1/2 years ago)

I (and various relatives) have put a ton of work into this car.  The
engine was rebuilt at 87,000 miles, and the transmission was rebuilt
at 78,000 miles.  The differential was rebuilt somewhere in the early
90k miles, but I forgot to write that one down (I think I still have
the paperwork on it though).  I do have full receipts showing the
tranny and engine rebuilds.  I've changed the oil every 3,000 miles
consistently.  The engine rebuild was 40 over, which has upped the
horsepower a bit.  Also, the hoodscoop has been opened to add a bit
more horsepower.  I'd guess it's up around 270-290 now.  

What's wrong with the car:
- A couple of oil leaks.  The look like they're upper end, and probably
fixed by simply replacing the rocker cover seals.  I may have this
fixed by the time someone responds to this add.  If not I'll knock
down a bit on the price.
- No stereo (stolen shortly after I got the car and I never replaced
it).
- Heater core leaks, but that's been worked around by bypassing it.

Summary:
I truly love this car and it's never let me down over the last 3 1/2
years.  I'm selling it because I found a great deal on a Dodge Stealth
and I can't afford to keep both cars.  The asking price is over Blue 
Book because of the work that's been done, as well as all the extras
that it has.  In addition, since I've bought the car Blue Book has
gone up, not down.  My feeling is that this car will be a classic in a
few years.

I could go on for quite a while :), but I'll save some bandwidth.  If
you're interested then call me at 646-6234 or call me at work at
671-8436 between 8am-5pm.
From: hall@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Hal F Lillywhite)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Oregon: per capita tax
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:52:49 GMT
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <1993Jan2.095556.8391@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>cp@verdix.com (Chris Perret) writes:
 
>: Does anyone have information on what the per capita tax is here
>: on Oregon(eg. $1500/person ??). Or do ya know who would have that info.

>I am not sure what you are talking about. I know of no such tax. We have
>an income tax and a property tax. 

Probably the average total tax hit per person.  Some national
magazine just came out with data that Oregonians rank 7th in the
nation in this.  That is, the sum of all property, income and other
state and local taxes in the state ranks us 7th in total tax burden
per capita.

Of course the governor and others who want more tax money respond 
with the information that we really aren't that bad because we tax 
higher income people more so the average Joe isn't hit that hard.  
Barb and her bunch miss (possibly deliberatly) the point that the 
state's total income is much higher than the national average.  In 
spite of the reduction in property taxes our state and local 
governments (combined) have more money per capita than 42 of the 
other 49 states.  Their pleas of government poverty don't get any 
sympathy from me.
Newsgroups: or.general
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Carry automobile proof-of-insurance in Portland
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:50:31 GMT

johnm@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com.mcm.hp.com (John Mosbarger) writes:

>Andrew Klossner (andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM) wrote:
>: When they pull you over, Portland City police have begun asking for
>: proof-of-insurance as well as license and registration, and they will
>: tow cars with no such proof.  Better get your paperwork into your glove
>: boxes.
>: 
>:   -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
>:                        (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)

>     First offense is a warning.  The second time is a tow job.


Also, wasn't something mentioned that you could get the tow and impoundment
paid for if you could prove after the two that you did have insurance at the
time?

One more item . . . do all insurance cards note the policy dates on them?
Mine does, and I *assume* they probably all do.

allen
From: dlc@gasco.com (Just Plain Ol' Darci)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Carry automobile proof-of-insurance in Portland
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:38:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: gasco.1993Jan11.203825.23795
Reply-To: dlc@gasco.com (Darci L. Chapman)
Organization: Northwest Natural Gas, Portland, OR

In article <1ikt32INNbri@newz.ens.tek.com>, ronk@cascade.ens.tek.com (Ron Kirkpatrick) writes:

> |> Andrew Klossner (andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM) wrote:
> |> : When they pull you over, Portland City police have begun asking for
> |> : proof-of-insurance as well as license and registration, and they will
> |> : tow cars with no such proof.  Better get your paperwork into your glove
> |> : boxes.

> For the first 6 months it's warnings only. After 6 months, your car _could_ be
> towed, it's up to the officer. The towings will be monitored to determine if
> the officers are biased/prejudiced/etc.
> 
> In any case, I agree with Andrew - CARRY PROOF OF INSURANCE!

Also, be sure to fill out the back side of your registration form
with the insurance info. Not doing so is a costly ($50+) ticket!
(So I was told the last time the State Patrol pulled me over)

>>-Darci->

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Newsgroups: or.general,rec.martial-arts
From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
Subject: Aikido Seminar in Portland, Oregon
Summary: Upcoming aikido seminar
Keywords: aikido oregon
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 220-0636
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:29:43 GMT


                         A I K I D O   S E M I N A R

				    WITH

                           I S M A I L   H A S A N

			   PORTLAND OREGON

                           JANUARY 23 & 24, 1993

Ismail Hasan is a 4th Dan and Shidoin (senior teacher) with the United
States Aikido Federation Western Region.  He has recently completed a
long-term program as uchideshi (live-in apprentice) with Shihan K Chiba
at the San Diego Aikikai.

The seminar will be held at the Portland State Wrestling Room in the
athletic building.  Saturday schedule begins with registration at 12:30
p.m. Classes from 1-5:00 p.m. Sunday schedule begins with 8:30 a.m.
registration.  Classes from 9:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m.

Fees:  $40/weekend or $25/day

Please bring jyo and bokken.  Visitors are very welcome.

This event is sponsored by Multnomah Aikikai and PSU Chiron.

For information, call (503) 246-8120
or e-mail to: gummitch@techbook.com


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From: chris@hfglobe.intel.com (Chris Houghton)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Oregon Vortex
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:13:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: hfglobe.C0JMEt.Dxr
Organization: Intel Corporation

In article <MERLYN.93Jan7223030@agora.rain.com> merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz) writes:
>>>>>> In article <1993Jan7.233820.3508@hpcvca.cv.hp.com>, scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com (Scott Linn) writes:
>
>Scott> I had heard that the cabin used to be a mining assay office, and that it
>Scott> slid down the hill a ways during a mudslide, coming to rest all screwed
>Scott> up.  Then, later, it was made into an attraction.
>
>Yes.... but somehow the boards ended up getting "cut" at different angles!
>
>That was my very very first clue that I had solid evidence that it was
>a hoax.  That, and the amateur explanation of the corolois effect ("it
>happnes only here!"  NOT!), and the way I was pushed from my

I've been there. I've also been to Crazy Canyon in northern California
where , oddly enough, another landslide occurred.  I also once visited
a crazy house at an amuusement park in San Francisco.

It was certainly entertaining.  (I've been to three of them!)
But it wasn't the entrance to a wormhole.

Chris H.

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From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: or.general
Subject: Re: Oregon Vortex
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:39:08 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1993Jan07.192227.5223@news.mentorg.com> mikelo@cecil.mentorg.com (Mike Lottridge) writes:
>There was a tv program about this a few days ago, but I missed it. 
>Supposedly, there's some point in Oregon where your ability to judge
>perspective and distance gets distorted (actually, I've noticed this
>after leaving McMenamins on occasion). Does anyone know what the story
>is here, and where this place is?

Ah, yes -- it takes me back.  I grew up in Grants Pass and my dad had is
business in Gold Hill for many years, so I've been by the place more than
once.

It was (and still is) the "House of Mystery".  It is just outside the town
of Gold Hill, between Rogue River and Central point (between Grants Pass and
Medford).  It was nearly burned out by the Gales Creek fire last year, but I
understand it was saved.

Take I-5 South to Gold Hill, use the north Gold Hill exit, cross the river
and head towards Gold Hill on the old Old Highway.  Follow the tourist trap
signs.  Watch for speed traps.  The HoM is a ways up Gales Creek Road
(I think that was the name of the road...)

Basically, its a tourist trap of the old school.  There's a house (cabin)
there that was build with all sorts of wierd angle and sloping floors to
present all sorts of optical illusions.  Your brain can get confused when
what the eyes present do not correlate with the rest of the senses.

It's wrapped in plenty of hockum for the marks and tried the Bermuda Triangle
and such, hence the "Oregon Vortex".  Mildly interesting and fun for the
kiddies.  There's (was?) a place next door where you can pay to pan for gold.

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