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From: jparker@caddac1.uwaterloo.ca (James Parker)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Can't seem to housetrain smart dog!
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:40:35 GMT
Organization: Silicon Devices and Integraged Circuits Group

In article <64640056@hpcss01.cup.hp.com> bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett) writes:
>
>Am I missing something here?  Are you crating her during the day?  If not,
>why not???  This is the obvious answer.  And please stop using the cage
>or crate as punishment!  Give her a command to go in, and treat her every
>time she does.  Going into the crate and being in the crate is a positive
>thing.

While it is the obvious answer, it is not always that easy. I know I 
tried to crate-train my dog after his destructive chewing got to be 
too much and it ended up being worse than having him chew some things.

I know I had a few strikes against me in that I didn't get my dog until
he was 8-9 months old and at that time has was terrified of close
confinement (ie. a crate), so I let him stay out.

When I did decide to crate-train, he was about 1 1/2 and I went as
slow as I could, from crating with no door for some weeks, etc, the
whole nine yards - and there was no problem when I was home.
But when I would leave the house and leave him in the crate ,he would
pull the metal door of that Vari-Kennel right off the hinges!!
And nothing I tried could get him to stop. If I tied the kennel door
on with chains, he would pull on the door with his teeth until he
was bleeding - and he tore a toenail clawing at the walls.
It was making me ill and I had to stop crating him before 
he really hurt himself. Plus, he wasn't being himself
personality-wise anymore either - it just wasn't worth the worry.

So now he is back out and he functions much better, BUT I still
have to be very careful what I leave around or he'll chew it.
I just spray everything that he chews now with Bitter Apple and
leave it - it doesn't stop him from chewing but it slowly narrows
the choices.
All in all, not a very happy experience... and still one that
isn't finished. I just hope now that he'll outgrow it.

james
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Re: Should dog stay where she is?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:12:29 GMT

> Lisa B. Stomberg writes:
> Sammy really likes my parents and seems really well
> adjusted. Although the two times I was back, she did remember me and
> she seemed to prefer to be around me when I was in New Mexico. My
> parents just adore her and they have taken great care of her. This is my
> problem. Once I graduate and find a job, I intend to find a place to
> live that has a big enough yard for Sammy, but I do not know if it would
> be fair to Sammy to remove her from her home of the past 1 1/2 to 2
> years. Besides this, I do not know if it is fair to my parents. My
> question is, will it be damaging to remove her from my parents home in
> New Mexico (the her in that last sentence was referring to Sammy).

I think the only factor you need to worry about is your parents and how they
will feel about not having her around. Dogs are so adaptable that I doubt
there will be any problems other than the usuall 'settling in' time she will
need in a new home, but this would happen any time you decided to move with a
dog...and besides YOU will be there and she loves you. If you and your
parents are willing, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't take her NOW,
even though you don't have a big yard yet. If you are willing and able to
give her the time for exercise that she will need, yard size does not matter.
I lived in a house with a yard when my dobie was born and moved to a one
bedroom apt. with NO yard when he was about 1 year old and there was no
problem at all. Good luck!


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From: pdaugher@mcl.bdm.com (Pat Daugherty)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re:  Vegie eating pup
Date: 21 Jan 1993 17:41:57 GMT
Organization: BDM International, Inc.
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My Airedale Terrier will eat anything if I let him. I will give
him ( well not me my father, I'm not that mean) a hot pepper and
he 'll come right back for more.  It's funny whenever I give him 
a grape or olive, it will take him a half an hour to figure out how 
to eat it.

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*	PAT DAUGHERTY   REDSKINS, wait till next year      *
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From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,ca.wanted,ba.general,misc.misc,rec.pets
Organization: gators 'r us
Subject: Re: Please! Help Save This Adorable Dog from Death!!
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
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In <1993Jan21.170110.22276@leland.Stanford.EDU>, Anne P. Mitchell, JD writes:
>
>
>They don't want her any more.  So they brought her in to be put to
>sleep!  Period!  They even had her groomed before they brought her in so
>she'd look nice for her final exit.  [Even just typing this makes me
>want to retch.]

let me know where you are and i will see if i know of a poodle rescue group
that might help you.


sounds like what happened to my sara.  first, she had an unplanned litter.
the owners thought it would be easy to place a litter of mostly-purebred
black and tan coonhounds, but found it wasn't so easy(their other dog was
a male of the same breed and fathered most of the pups).  when she had a 
second litter, they took her and her 8 one-day old puppies to be put to sleep.
the vet kept and placed them all, and i got the mom.  the vet's official story
was that he got the owner's permission first.
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: choke chain opinions
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:38:36 GMT


We had to use a choke chain with our lab because she was very
headstrong.  We chose not to use a prong/pinch collar although
a few people recommended it, and our lab does fine now.  She
may have done better with a prong collar but we couldn't stand
to think of using one!  I know that they are supposed to not
hurt the dog, so this isn't an attack on those people who use
them.  We just didn't like the idea.  Our Australian Shepherd
is on a choke collar for training, but she may have done the 
same with a nylon collar.  I don't think that all dogs need
a choke or prong collar for training, but the owner needs to
make that choice (assuming you aren't in a class which insists
on a particular kind).


Jamie

*********************************************************************
     canines:  Kenzie -- 1 yr old black Lab X
               Meggin -- 8 month old Australian Shepherd X
               Harry  -- 4 month old Border Collie X

     felines:  Kieri  -- 5 1/2 yr old lilac point Siamese
               Zak    -- 5 1/2 yr old blue point Siamese
               Duke   -- 1 yr old seal point Siamese
*********************************************************************
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From: davek@scooter.intel.com (David Karikas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Veggie eating pup
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:08:49 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp

In article <1993Jan20.181511.16461@umr.edu>, S105718@UMRVMA.umr.edu writes:
|> 
|>    I have the most wonderful little mixed breed pup but I'm beginning to
|> wonder if she isn't a bit odd.  Keesu is a Keeshond and Shih-Tzu cross and
|> she is 9 months old.  She loves raw carrots, raw potatoes, olives, pickles,
|> apples, peas, corn, beans, and many other vegetables that I can't think of
|> right now.  She wouldn't touch raw meat to save her life.  We feed her good dog
|> food so she isn't lacking in vitamins or minerals.Has anyone else got a dog
|> that loves veggies?  Is this normal?  Should Iallow her to eat them?  Any
|> advice would be greatly appreciated.
|> Thanks,   Sabrina and Keesu

Not odd at all. My doggies pig out in the garden all the time. They also eat
tons of apples and pears outta the orchid. Cody is so fond of apples that
he even picks them from the tree. I think, that he thinks they are edible
tennis balls. Hey at least they move regular.

-- 
Dave Karikas
Intel Corp. Hillsboro, Oregon
davek@scooter.intel.com
From: diane@starfish (Diane Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: DQ at Working Events???
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:37:32 GMT
Organization: Pencom Software


> If a dog is disqualified in Obedience once, it can not be shown again.
> A dog can be disqualified (in Obedience) for the following:
> Blindness, Deafness (Note, that deaf dogs are being considered as
> qualifying for the next revisions), changed in appearance for cosmetic
					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> reasons
^^^^^^^^^
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Nancy Gagliardi Little                    nlittle@ems.cdc.com
> 

What does 'cosmetic reasons' mean?  If it were true that dogs can be  
disqualified in Obedience for altering their appearance for cosmetic  
reasons, how could a docked Doberman compete in Obedience?  Would this  
include things like my bracing a Collie puppy's ears to train them?  But I  
know I've seen dogs that were docked and altered and also have obedience  
titles.  Can anyone comment on how frequently this kind of  
disqualification occurs in AKC Obedience trials and what it means?

Curious,
Diane Harvey					diane@pencom.com
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Owner of Lisara's __________ (call name Bruce, 3 mo.) sable/white Collie
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: nwinston@nwinston.mentorg.com (Nancy Winston)
Subject: Re: dogs and mortgages
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:15:26 GMT
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

We rescued a doberman just before moving to Columbus, Oh.  He was
an adult & weighed 35 pounds.  Many of the apartment complexes had
the 15 or 25 lb limits but we talked to the managers about our dog.
During our time there, we rented at 2 different complexes.  We had
2 bedroom townhouses both times - both with very small yards opening
up onto the apartment land at the rear of the complexes.  Even though
he eventually got up to a healthy 65 lbs, they let us stay.

In both cases, we not only got our full deposits back but also had
the management tell us that they enjoyed & appreciated our dog.  

The appreciation came because our dog recognized wrong-doing at each
of the complexes.   The first was someone posing as apartment maintenance - 
our dog was very anxious about this guy - definitely not his normal
behavior.   We called the complex & they investigated to find that 2
other apartments had been robbed that day.  At the other complex, our
dog would periodically get very upset.  We ignored it at first but it
turned out that he was identifying a peeping tom.  Again, we called the
complex, they had received other complaints.  When they caught the guy,
it turned out to be our next door neighbor that our dog had never liked.
Guess pups are smarter than us sometimes...

I believe that having a dog in a rental is more difficult than if you
own but definitely not impossible.  Look for a large enough place with
some space to run & play.   Apartments at the rear of the complex usually
have more empty land for playing.  Find a sympathetic landlord & if you
want a larger dog, it doesn't hurt to remind them that larger dogs
usually don't do more damage or bark more than small dogs.

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: roop@cc.swarthmore.edu (Karen Roop)
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing Center
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:42:56 GMT

In article <31781@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com>, nancyl@ems.cdc.com (Nancy
Little) wrote:

<Stuff Deleted>

Nancy,

thanks for the chart.

You want some cold facts.  I volunteer at the Chester County SPCA (West
Chester, PA, USA).  We are a small shelter.   We took in over 5,000 animal
last year and ONLY PLACED 1,211.  The rest were EUTHANIZED!!!!!

If your not a reputible breeder (one with many years of proven experience)
- SPAY AND NEUTER YOUR PET.  

There are enough unwanted pets in this world!!!! 

Just my opinion, no flames please!!!

Karen
--------------------------------
Karen V. Roop
Swarthmore College Computing Center
roop@cc.swarthmore.edu
215-328-8595
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Please! Help Save This Adorable Dog from Death!!
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:55:14 GMT


Some people really make me sick.  My mom said her old vet was
examining some woman's cats one time and the woman mentioned
that she had had a cat put to sleep one time.  The vet asked
why, and this woman said the cat kept going into heat and
was irritating.  The vet asked why this person didn't get
her cat fixed, and the woman said she never thought of it.

And people wonder why I give my money to animal charities...


Jamie

*********************************************************************
     canines:  Kenzie -- 1 yr old black Lab X
               Meggin -- 8 month old Australian Shepherd X
               Harry  -- 4 month old Border Collie X

     felines:  Kieri  -- 5 1/2 yr old lilac point Siamese
               Zak    -- 5 1/2 yr old blue point Siamese
               Duke   -- 1 yr old seal point Siamese
*********************************************************************
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United States Government or the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory,
and shall not be used for advertising or product endorsement purposes.
From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Is pointing behavior innate?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 16:12:17 GMT
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
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In article <93028.081026U58664@uicvm.uic.edu> Francine Cannarozzi <U58664@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>I'd always thought our dog was a mix of a Great Dane and black Lab.
>We adopted him at about 3 yrs old and had no information from the
>previous owner.  However, when he stalks squirrels in our yard,
>he takes on what I'd call a pointing position: Front left leg
>bent up and held off the ground, tail straight out, rigid body.
>He'll hold this position for up to 3 minutes, then slowly begin
>to move toward whatever it is he sees.

This is typical stalking behavior.  Watch any nature show and look at the
lions or whatever.  Our old husky/shepherd??? mutt used to do it (we called
it Squirrel Death Patrol, though she only ever caught one), and my 13 mo
Corgi does it.  I remember my parents' dachshund (sp??) cross doing it, too.
My older Corgi has no interest in hunting, and has never stalked anything
that I know of.





Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Border Collies and Brittany Spaniels
Keywords: Border Collie
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 15:40:40 GMT

In article <28518@sybase.sybase.com> karenp@sybase.com (Karen Paulsell) writes:
>
>When I brought my 3-month old Border Collie mix home from the shelter,
>he thought my white cats were his sheep. He'd get in front of them, put
>his head on his paws, rump in the air, and and make eyes at them. I
>didn't reinforce the behavior (and the cat-sheep climbed the fence) and
>so the behavior has disappeared.  An anecdote, I suppose, in the
>breeding vs. training issue. Since this guy is my first dog, though, I
>was just astonished!
>
>And yes, he LOVES his exercise! He doesn't understand why his person
>has been so loath to take long walks in the recent California
>downpours.

Harry, our Border Collie mix, does the "rump in the air" thing
too -- its really cute!  Our cat-sheep now spend most of their
time in the basement or on the bathroom counters.  I can't wait
until Spring so I can take the dogs out for walks again -- they
definitely have cabin fever!  

Harry is an excellent jumper -- is this a Border Collie trait?
When he first came home he liked to sit on the cats' scratching
post, and he would jump not only on the couch cushions, but
all the way up on the top of the couch.  We taught him not
to do these things (luckily he learns quickly...), but we are
having trouble with him jumping over the baby gate we use to
block off the basement (where the cat food and litterboxes
are kept).  Right now the gate is as high as it will go (3 1/2 ft
or so) without giving him enough room to get under it (it fits
in the door frame, like a shower curtain rod).  He can still get over
it, and does every couple days or so.  Neither of the other dogs
even try!

But he's cute!


Jamie

*********************************************************************
     canines:  Kenzie -- 1 yr old black Lab X
               Meggin -- 8 month old Australian Shepherd X
               Harry  -- 4 month old Border Collie X

     felines:  Kieri  -- 5 1/2 yr old lilac point Siamese
               Zak    -- 5 1/2 yr old blue point Siamese
               Duke   -- 1 yr old seal point Siamese
*********************************************************************
========== long legal disclaimer follows, press n to skip ===========

Neither the United States Government or the Idaho National Engineering
Laboratory or any of their employees, makes any warranty, whatsoever,
implied, or assumes any legal liability or responsibility regarding any
information, disclosed, or represents that its use would not infringe
privately owned rights.  No specific reference constitutes or implies
endorsement, recommendation, or favoring by the United States
Government or the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory.  The views and
opinions expressed herein do not necessarily reflect those of the
United States Government or the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory,
and shall not be used for advertising or product endorsement purposes.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: nwinston@nwinston.mentorg.com (Nancy Winston)
Subject: Re: Veggie eating pup
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:26:27 GMT
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <1993Jan22.182014.28404@VFL.Paramax.COM>, pastor@prc.unisys.com (Jon Pastor) writes:
|> > My kids (Shelties Mindy & Ivan) eat:
|> >
|> > Grapes (if you smush them)
|> 
|> I have trained our dogs to eat grapes *without* having to puncture them (the
|> grapes) first.  The problem is that an intact grape doesn't taste like much,
|> and so the dog feel that it might just as well be sucking on a marble and
|> spits it out.  The trick, in our case, was to push it back between the dog's
|> molars and crush it with the dog's own teeth; you get a very surprised-looking
|> dog, and one who eventually learns that grapes are tasty.
|> 
|> > PEANUT BUTTER food of the dog Gods........
|> 
|> There was a truly wonderful short film many years back that consisted of the
|> following action
|> 
|> 	1. a sitting dog is offered a fingerful of PB
|> 	2. the dog licks off the PB
|> 	3. the dog chews and swallows the PB
|> 	4. for the next 5 minutes, the dog attempts to lick the PB out of the 
|> 	   spaces between its gums and its cheeks
|> 
|> I know that it doesn't sound funny, but believe me, it had the audience
|> rolling in the aisles.
|> 
|> No, I haven't tried it; funny as it looked, I suspect that the dog was not
|> amused...
|> 
|> BTW, PB is not the "food of the dog Gods": flounder roe is.  It is the only
|> substance that ever caused Fagin to try to eat my fingers off when I offered
|> it to him; I don't mean he licked my fingers, I mean he tried to grab it from
|> me, and this was extremely unlike him.  The favorite food of BOTH our Standard
|> Poodles, far and away, is seafood, especially really smelly stuff like roe and
|> bluefish.  Katie gets a little bit of canned tuna with her dry food, instead
|> of dog food.
|> 
|> Next time you have fish for dinner, offer a little piece to your dogs, and
|> I'll bet their little eyes will go wide as saucers and they'll scarf it right
|> up.


But PLEASE DON'T offer salmon.  We saw a dobie at our vet's once that was
very ill and the vet told us that the dog had eaten salmon.  He also told
us that if some dogs eat salmon, it can be fatal.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Is there grass that will survive dogs? (Was: 
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:22:39 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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In <C1A1sy.5M7@portal.hq.videocart.com> mandrews@portal.hq.videocart.com writes:
> In article <1993Jan21.175144.7575@newshost.lanl.gov> crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
> >But do remember that the dog(s) will almost certainly kill all or
> >most of the grass inside if they spend much time there.  And don't

> Speaking of which.  Our back yard lawn is about 70% bare where our dogs go.
> I was going to look into getting some sort of "super-grass" for that area.
> Does anybody know if *any* natural grass can live in a dog run or is the
> only choice Astro turf?

I think if you want to get really scientific about it, you can go to the local
Seed-'n-Feed (or Lawn & Garden, depending on how rural an area you live in)
Co-op or Center, & get a soil pH test kit.  Then sample the soil around the
yard, run, etc., & figure out its average pH (this, I think, is what is screwed
up by dog pee).  Then go back to the Lawn/Seed/Garden Place & look for grass
seed varieties that grow in soil with pH relatively close to what your soil is
(different varieties of grass seed need different soil pH levels).  If you
REALLY want to, you can get into regulating the soil pH with chemicals, etc.,
so that even after the dog pees on it, the grass will still grow.  I'm not sure
how great this would be for the dog(s), though.  Some folks say that regular
applications of lime help.

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA