HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,wpi.students.desis
Subject: Re: war of words
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:17:19 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

One cool doode gidh@bucknell.edu (sharmila gidh) writes:

>Would Vijay Fafat and Suresh Doki kindly take their personal war off
> the net. 
>Kedar

hey chill it doode chill it.........


suresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sodhi@news.miami.edu (Rajpal Sodhi)
Subject: Re: Khalistan
Organization: University of Miami, RSMAS
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 15:22:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.054745.5150@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>
 [...]

>However, I believe that GOI should pass legislation that
>would ensure that all money generated within punjab remains 
>within punjab e.g., perhaps a large portion of the public 
>sector's (in punjab) profits (if any) should  go to the state
>treasury instead of the central treasury. Also, let the state
>determine all taxes it wishes to levy and so on. In short, do 
>away with the socialistic structure of our govt. 
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
>

now you're talking. i hope you realize that this was perhaps the gist of
the much-maligned and abused, "separatist and secessionist" anandpur
sahib resolution. talk about late.

--rajpal

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: susanc@rice.edu (susan chacko)
Subject: Re: Excluding men
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:38:39 GMT

rajain@scotty.ecs.umass.edu (Rajat Jain) writes:

>	no! we don't wanna do that......that would be stoopid. But hey,
>	don't you think women should grow up too and get actively involved
>	in subjects like sex, physical relationships etc instead of 
>	maintaining the "hiding in the closet" attitude ? I read soc.penpals,
>	soc.singles and even rec.humor....and there I see women actively
>	participating in such (serious AND humorous) discussions without
>	shying away (just cuz they are women !!!). They are discriminating
>	themselves, dooode !!!

Now, really! Is 'growing up' completely determined by how ready one
is to discuss sex and physical relationships on a public newsgroup? 
The vast majority of readers and posters on most newsgroups are
declared immature on this basis. Since sex is discussed to death on
soc.singles and alt.sex and soc.penpals, is there any real need to
bring it in here just so that we can all prove we're adults? And
why should you think that women prefer not to discuss sex just because
they are women? Are the men who prefer not to discuss sex on this
newsgroup doing so 'just because they are men'? 

I guess your point is that the women who post here should not
object to sexually explicit jokes, but should actively take part
in them. But why? If I don't find them funny, why should I pretend
that I do just to be 'one of the guys'? I've seen no evidence that
most of the men who read/post on sci revel in this humour either.
Yet you seem to believe that it's only the women who are so lacking
in a sense of humour that they don't find sexual jokes, suggestive
gifs of women, and obscenity funny.

Susan.
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From: vganesan@reed.edu (The Phoenix)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Excluding men
Date: 22 Nov 92 04:52:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov22.045242.28565
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

In article <1992Nov22.042635.24328@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> usubrama@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Uma M Subramanian) writes:
>In article <1992Nov21.181722.11011@risky.ecs.umass.edu> rajain@scotty.ecs.umass.edu (Rajat Jain) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov20.043554.11406@cs.wayne.edu>, uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar) writes:
>>|> 
>>|> does the indian-women mailing list mean that the sci football field is now
>>|> safe for the rampaging MCPs and their jokes...  I got a couple of MCP jokes,
>>|> but held back seeing that the ladies onthe net dont like it at all...
>>
>>	Hey.....come on dooode, there ain't no more ladies on SCI now!
>>
>>	Post those jokes !!!!
>
>Actually, when did the presence or absence of "ladies" stop the
>fourteen-year-olds on SCI -- fascinated, yet scared out of their
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

darn! why do people rag on 14 year old's all the time, just because
some one is chronologically challenged;-) doesn't mean they
are comparable to the 'riff raffs' of sci ;-)

	hey,as a fourteen year old I had more important things to
think about than MCP jokes, like my math teacher, God was she
good looking, tells you why I major in math.

>minds by their nascent sexuality -- from posting MCP jokes or
>gifs? Go ahead, Mr. Udayabhaskar, post those jokes, and you
>Mr. Jain, post some more gifs. If you aren't old enough to
>have the real thing, you can at least drool on your terminal.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	well I don't drink Coke, does that mean I am forever banished
from having the 'real thing' ;-)

>>		rAjAt 
>
>Uma Subramanian

The Phoenix

P.S on a more serious note, there are proper newsgroups for sexist jokes
like alt.tasteless or newsgroups like alt.pictures.* for GIF's. To
offend someone is just not cool, women are discriminated and harshed
quite a bit in the world of ours, should we propagate the trend in this
newsgroup too.
-- 
******************************************************************
Nondum amabam, et amare amabam quaerebam quid amarem, amans amare.
I loved not yet, yet I loved to love I sought what I might love,
in love with loving.
From: S.Dharmaraj@newcastle.ac.uk (D. Subramani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Newsgroup monopolized by riffraff?
Keywords: None
Date: 21 Nov 92 09:49:20 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

basu@cs.cornell.edu (Anindya Basu) writes:

>Hi Netters!
>The following is a summary of a study I made regarding the nature and quality
>of articles being posted on this newsgroup. The findings are in the nature of
>a scientific enquiry and must be accepted in the same spirit. It is not my
>intention to offend any particular individual. 

>It seems to me that the majority of traffic generated in the newsgroup involves
>inane, puerile, immature, incoherent, intemperate rantings of individuals who
>should know better than to use this newsgroup as a forum to display their colossal
>ignorance and personal bigotry. Unfortunately, most netters seem to be under the
>impression that an unmoderated newsgroup gives them the license to spew out
>the garbage in their minds as and when they feel the urge. This not only wastes
>valuable bandwidth, but also leaves most first time readers of the newsgroup
>with a bad taste in the mouth.

>The latest flame wars between certain individuals from such obscure places like
>WPI, Emory University, Massey University (who or what is Massey anyway?), to name 
>a few, have really degenerated into verbal fisticuffs of a most abusive and
>obscene nature.It is high time that such flagrant misuse of free facilities for
>just giving vent to one's caste, communal and other prejudices is stopped.

>An interesting fact regarding the source of most of the postings on the net is
>that about 90% of these posts come from individuals associated with very
>obscure universities or colleges and seems to lead to the conclusion that such
>people have nothing better to do with their time (like research for example)
>and spend most of their waking hours thinking of and posting new and more 
>derogatory flames on the net. Invariably, even discussions which start out with
>rational arguments very soon collapse into ad hominem attacks at the level of the
>lowest common denominator.

>So, instead of continuing this futile exchange of verbal fusillades which just 
>serves to waste everybody's time, please restrict your personal flames to private
>email and use this newsgroup when you have something worth saying.

>Cheers!
>-Anindya Basu

>Disclaimer : All opinions are mine alone and do not reflect the views of Cornell
>             University.





	HEAR...HEAR!!

-raj.subramani@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: balarama@cae.wisc.edu (Prabhu Balaraman)
Subject: Mo' better blues!
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: 21 Nov 92 12:23:25 CST

	     	Why don't I?

	Why do I cry foul all the time,
	and complain so much?
	Why am I dissatisfied with everything?
	Why don't I take things as such?

	Why do I act like a snail;
	at a touch, recede into a shell?
	Why do I convince myself
	that things are sure not well?

	Why do I see a mirage,
	that perhaps doesn't exist?
	Why do I insist on seeing only
	dark clouds and the blinding mist?

	Why do I shut my eyes,
	and rush into the dark for shelter?
	Why do I hate the sun's pleasant warmth;
	instead, fidget, perspire and welter?

	Why don't I stop being a snail;
	and clamber out of my shell?
	Why don't I convince myself,
	that things are sure going well?

	Prabs       
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Subject: Re: Caste - anachronistic and fatuous classification
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 18 NOV 92 16:37:55    


In article <1992Nov17.211318.266@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, ravic@austin.ibm.com writes...
> 
>          Caste titles were meant to reflect your profession, nothing
>     more or nothing less. Few centuries back, when this nomenclature
>     was coined, it was possible to reflect most of the practised
>      professions by that nomenclature(Shudra,Brahmin,Vaisya,Kshatriya).
>     It is fatuous to use this anachronistic classification to
>      reflect all current professions. 

>Most of us on SCI net belong to ENGINEER caste. Most of the people who 
>work in defense or other national security organizations may be classified
>as Kshatriyas.

	Casteism (not the existing degenerate one) is inherent to human 
	and animal society. Without it, no society can survive. It is the
	game of inter-dependence. Only godly creatures are free from
	casteism.

	The question is what is casteism? As Gita says - Brahmin is one
	with knowledge and noble ideas; Kshaitrya is one with strength
	and justice; Vaishya is one with enterpreneurship and trade-like
	nature; and Shudra is one who enjoys service to others. There
	cannot be a clear-cut division of society based on these ideas.

	Brahmin does not sell his knowledge. If he does, he is a Vaishya
	and therefore this kind of knowledge cannot be trusted. A Brahmin
	acts without self and he/she is the most responsible person of the
	society. He aoght to be careful that his/her knowledge cannot be
	misused by the wicked.

	Kshatriya is one who acts under justice (without self). He must
	act whenever there is injustice. If he doesn't he is not Kshatriya
	in the spiritual sense. Patriotism is not Kshatriya. Serving in
	army does not qualify one to be Kshatriya. To qualify for Kshatriya,
	one has to be strong first, and then apply JUSTICE to curb the
	disorder.

	Vaishya is there to make money and create jobs for the society. If
	he hoards money he violates the condition of being Vaishya in
	spiritual sense. I will put all businessman, executives, and
	farmers in this category.

	Shudra is one who works for others. Engineers are basically Shudras
	because they work for someone. They don't create jobs.

	So relax all Shudra...

 A response from Shudra....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: usp@futserv.austin.ibm.com (Uma S. Pandey)
Subject: Need Indian Fonts for Amiga 2000
Organization: IBM AWD Austin, TX
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 16:42:27 GMT

Hi Guys,

I am just wondering if anybody out there knows how to get fonts for Hindi
language for Amiga computers. If there is a company that makes Indian fonts
I would like to know about it. I know CMC in India does something with 
fonts, any idea. 

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks.

-- 
===============================================================================
Uma S. Pandey,						    Phone: 512-838-8573
Email: usp@futserv.austin.ibm.com
Disc: All opinions are mine and mine only.
From: sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Newsgroup monopolized by riffraff?
Date: 21 Nov 1992 23:05:15 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In the bliss of his ignorance  (Shubhendu Mukherjee) blabbers:


>enormous traffic such articles generate).  As Anindya 
>pointed out, personal, ugly wars with abusive language is not meant for
>public consumption.  Some people post articles just for the sake of it - 
>even if they don't have anything to say.  We surely could avoid such 
>things in future. 

how about moderating the newsgroup?

suresh

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: satwant@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (satwant.singh)
Subject: Re: Clinton's victory-in the Indian context.
Keywords: Clinton's victory-in the Indian context
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:01:35 GMT

In article lal@cs.arizona.edu (The Morning Sun) writes:
>
>No one is innocent. You are guilty of being an ignorant selfish fool.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Get lost!  You are one of the biggest supporter of the TERRORISM.

I don't think the rest of the posting was worth a reply.


Satwant.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ck@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Chandrasekhar Kambhampati)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Why the sobriqet of Prof:Re: South Indian<>Dravidian
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:41:38 GMT
Organization: University of Reading


ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu writes:

>       Whose sensibilities are hurt when Prof Selvakumar quotes from researches

<....lines of the same para deleted....>

>Vidya Bhavan which show the general premise of Prof. Selvakumar to be the right
												^^^^
>one.

<...somes lines of a previous post, and KSRao's post deleted....>

>    When did your article get out of hand? Did Prof Selvakumar ever burn Ram's
												^^^^
I find it rather amusing, that people have started using their titles
(or others title) in their posts. Mr Selvakumar has never called himself
Prof. Soandso. So whats the purpose of using this ...... is it a
sobriquet.....if so than it is better throw some brickbats also!

Just because someone is a prof somewhere, his word (on a subject in
which he has no specialisation whatsoever) need not be gods gift to
mankind! 

Now coming to the earnest Professor's discourses - at times they are
diatribes verging on fantasy and (if I didnot have a sense of humor that
is) racist. At time I am left wondering if I am reading LTTE propanganda

There is an hidden agenda here. Where Mr Vishnu failed, the sophistry of
Mr Selvakumar seems to be suceeding.

The hidden agenda here is to try and justify the silly squables in SL.
And to develop a silly sense of cultural superiority! For the
Sri-Lankans, whose mother tongue is Sinhala, think themselves of Aryans;
and the other lot i.e the tamil speaking Sri-Lankans as a result think
themselves as the repository of all that is Dravidian.

The other aspect, I suspect, of this hidden agenda is to show that the current 
lack of support for the terrorists in India is an aryan conspiracy. 
 Waterloo seems to be full of these wraped minds - perhaps they have had full 
frontal lobotomies!

For it is really useless to argue who or what is the oldest or ancient -
the only two exceptions being - one if the interest is purely curiousity
or if the interest is one of inciting/fomenting trouble. And Mr
Selvakumar seems to fall somewhere in between. Perhaps the dravidian
protagonists are more prone to whistling in the dark! and need a reality
check from time to time. Reading RRSuresh's recent blabbering on this
subject shows that the LTTE propanganda wing needs a reality check - for
they are in that unenviable position of beleiving their own version of
the past! 

Finally, on a note which seems to be becoming popular, in telugu there
is a saying - mokaalluki bodigunduki mudi veyyadam (think that is what
it is - and I do apologise for the poor transliteration) and Mr
Selvakumar seems rather adept at it - nay he is a past master!

regards
chandrasekhar
From: reddy@lisa.njit.edu (AirTix Daemon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: AIR TICKET from NEWARK to AUSTIN on 12/09/92 4 SALE
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:28:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AIR DAEMON


	Hi Netters:

	My friend have the following One Way Continental Air ticket for SALE:

	PORT	DATE	TIME	STATUS
From	Newark	9DEC	430P	OK
From	Houston 9DEC	800p	OK
To	Austin 

	Asking $200  for the ticket. (orig. $446)
	If needed call Fred @ (908) 687-0416
	or send mail to reddy@cis.njit.edu

	If you wanted you can change the date of journey, but you have to
	pay $25 more to Continental, I beleive.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.pakistan
From: garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Gary Deol)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: re:Khalistan
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 19:14:16 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

A reply to a message written by: trivedi@yukawa.uchicago.edu 
                                 (Anil Trivedi)
 
>This only supports my proposal made a while ago that although 
>misguided Western Europeans are coming together, Americans are making 
>up for their error in preserving their own Union by supporting 
>self-determination in Third World (not Northern Ireland though), and 
>the useless Japanese industialize further without identity-related 
>conflicts, the correct model for India to follow is clearly that of 
>Yugoslavia.
 
   Does it bother you that western governments are always willing to 
support people who are being prosecuted, and therefore are wishing 
to pursue self-determination?  Do Hindus have a hard time associating 
human rights with ALL people and not just the Hindus of India?
Wasn't it a Hindu police officer who said something like `Our idea
of human rights is different from the western concept' <-- I guess
what he was referring to is as long as the police are the ones 
who are killing, torturing, and detaining innocent people its fine!   
 
 
>I would also recommend an immediate launching of violent movements
>demanding seperate sovereign Sikh, Kashmiri, Gujrati, Oriya, ... states
>in the present Canada and U.S.A. as well. Green Card and its Canadian
>counterpart are no substitutes for deep riot-driven identity.
 
  Better yet why don't the Hindu's just start referring to the
Goadays(whites) as a new caste in their multi-tier caste system, mind 
you they will have to be slightly better than the untouchibles but 
definately below the Brahmins or they might revolt.  But that to can 
be put down by force, that way you can control the WHOLE country, why 
bother with just pieces.  This shouldn't be new to any Hindu after 
all they have successfuly enforced this 'inferiority complex' in 
modern India for the last five decades with only a few hundred 
thousand casualties, which in Hindu grading system is an A+ so why 
not take it abroad now!

Gary Deol              garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 23 Nov 1992 17:05:41 CST
From: SALIM <U26043@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Looking for graduates from Bombay!

Hi, Is anyone out there a 1984-5 graduate from St Andrews High School
in Bombay?  I would like to get in touch..
                                                  Salim Lakha
                                                  u26043@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SINCERE APOLOGY TO SCI READERS
From: J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 03:39:09 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: sci
Summary: sci
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

It is pathetic when people who have their beliefs questioned - go
about using 'low' tactics. 

SCI is an unmoderated group where sensibilities will be hurt. If
one does not like the language or style - then an easier solution
is to hit the 'skip' button.

Although I DO NOT AGREE with anything U say - but I support your
right to say it (Paraphrasing Voltaire).

John Ainikkal
I think - Therefore I am.
'Aotearoa' - Land of the long white cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: akash@moonlight.berkeley.edu (Akash R. Deshpande)
Subject: Re: Ancient Indian History
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:53:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.234750.8067@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
>That is utter nonsense. Biharis do not consider themselves DRavidians,
>neither do the Bengalis. I know you claimed Gujarati and Marathis too
>as Dravidnoids. You were refuted by atleast Gujaratis. 

Also by me representing Maharashtra, first humourously by claiming
that Marathi, not Tamil, is the mother of Sanskrit, and later more
sanely (and vainly so far as Selvakumar is concerned).

>Your posts increased my mistrust. While I previously did not hate
>Tamilians and in fact I remember of posting many good words about
>Tamil culture, this admiration is now giving way to hate. It is
>growing everyday I see one more fanatical jingoistic post from you
>and a few other Tamil culture vultures.
>
>And I am sure many more feel like that.

Enjoyed the rest of your article, but take it easy, guy.

-Akash
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ashokk@nynexst.com (Ashok Kalyanswamy)
Subject: Re: HOW WE TIP IN RESTAURANTS
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:15:17 GMT

I have yet to an American walk away from a restaurant
without tipping.

The norm I was told is 15% of the before tax total.

If the servive is bad, you still tip, but bitch about
it to the manager (and my $0.02 - don't come back - ).

As a rule (and it took me some time to get into
this practice), I tip the waiter in my restaurant,
my barber, the maid in a hotel (hey - you could always
voucher it :-)  ), cab drivers, bell boys, etc. etc.

Someone once told me that if you were a waiter by profession,
the tax you had to pay took into account tips, even if
you did not receive money.

the occasions I have to tip do not arise often. The way
I figure it, the people who are at the receieving end of
the tip really need the money, and I ain't going to die
of starvation if I lose a couple of bucks once in a while...
my contribution to a kindler, gentler nation :-)

flames and criticisms of my philosophy >/dev/null
-------
Ashok Kalyanswamy
(ashokk@nynexst.com)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: aa@iti.org (Aayush Asthana)
Subject: Whereabouts of Ashwin Rao, anyone?
Summary: Looking for Ashwin Rao
Keywords: Looking, whereabouts
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:06:21 GMT

Anybody know where Ashwin Rao might be?  Last, I'd heard he was a
Software Engineer at Megatest Corp. in Sunnyvale, CA.  Since then
I believe he has changed jobs/locale etc?

If you or someone who knows where this ex-PennStater is kindly send
me full (address+tel no) information!

In anticipation, thanks!

[] Regards,   | Industrial    :      _________ ___________ ___________
Aayush Asthana| Technology    :    /___   ___//___    ___//___    ___/
aa@iti.org    | Institute     :   ____/  /___    /  /    ____/  /____ 
(313) 769-4652| Ann Arbor, MI :  /__________/   /__/    /___________/