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From: mattk@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (matthew.kaufman)
Subject: Re: [F] Sorry about "my" article in AFM
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:05:24 GMT
Summary: Nyuk nyuk nyuk

In article <1992Jul25.165220.15877@javelin.sim.es.com> krogers@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>formula.  AFM is pretty watered down when it comes to real life
>technical info; that's why I still like FAMA best - you occasionally
>get an article which doesn't pull any punches on the science - real
>numbers and theory, not just predigested concepts.
Yeah, like the time they had the article on calculating your filter's
flow rate in gph - measure the flow for 1 minute and multiply by 24!

If FAMA had any visible editing at all it'd probably be a good magazine. I
guess I buy it for ads and laughs - Emran Pishvai and better fishkeeping through
egregious use of chemicals, Swimming around with Dingbat, etc. etc.. I
agree AFM is overedited and their bogus (putting it politely) metric/US
conversions are laughable, especially when they miss one. They really
roached George's article, though. Still, they do run good things like
Wayne Leibel's discussion of South American cichlids (maybe not the best
written set of articles, but lots of good information on the latest cichlid
nomenclature, which is hard to find.) TFH is wildly inconsistent - from
the infamous (in my mind) parrot cichlid issue to the quite good latest
issue featuring West African killifish, the articles on the killifish
of Venezuela, the reprint of the Theodore Roosevelt traveloge, etc.

For my $$, you'll get the best info from the hobbyist groups (AKA and ACA
publications, the AKA ones are occasionally exceptional, like the recent
issue on Nothobranchius,) and for 'how to' info this forum is by far the
best you'll find - it's free, there're (hopefully) no businesses out there
with an axe to grind, and the people are generally friendly (unless we
try to spawn another newsgroup or discuss the 'Dupla-way'.) Whatever
did happen to Kurt Wiedenhofer, anyway?
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From: colorado@venus.next.com (Delia Colorado (Temp))
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: Painted Glass Fish
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:22:21 GMT

> > On numerous occations I have had to opportunity to gaze at 
> > the latest inhabitants of the local fish stores -- painted 
> > glass fish.
> > Now brace yourselves -- my question is: "Are they really  
painted?"
> > 
> 
>    I may be wrong but, as I understand it the are really painted.
> Just not how you think. They are painted "chemically". (ie.  
something
> is put in the water that causes the colors.) They colors will also
> 'wear off' with time. (Not a silly question, I've asked it. Then 
> again maybe it is silly.)

These painted variety of the glass fish has been around for a while  
and, to make it more unbelievable-- they are injected with colored  
paint, like tatooed.  There are some fish that get painted by adding  
stuff to their water (like tinfoil barbs, which I have seen in  
orange), but as far as I know, they are injected.  Pretty sad- that  
is also why a lot of them get diseases easily.  It was such a cool  
fish when it wasn't painted, now you can barely find it with out the  
make up! (And it does wear out).

Delia 
Xref: sparky rec.aquaria:5988 alt.aquaria:4305
From: frazier@maxwell (Greg Frazier)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: Re: [M] Threespot Damsel Spawning?
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:39:37 GMT
Distribution: na
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

philt@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (philip.tomaskovic) writes:
: 
: My Domino Damsels also spawned a couple of days ago!
: 
: The male is very protective. It's amazing how much a 3' snowflake
: will be intimidated by a damsel 1/12 its size!

Isn't a one-and-a-half foot damsel some sort of record? :-)

--


Greg Frazier	frazier@CS.UCLA.EDU	!{ucbvax,rutgers}!ucla-cs!frazier
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: kncarp@nicsn1.monsanto.com (Kevin N. Carpenter)
Subject: Re: [M] Diet for Yellow Tang
Organization: Monsanto Company
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:39:50 GMT

kji@vpnet.chi.il.us (Ken Isacson) writes:
: Anyone else out there have a Yellow Tang?  If so, what do you feed it?
: 
: Is a Yellow Tang interested in letuce?
: 
: 

I've had my Yellow Tang for over 8 years now.  Its primary food has been
Tetra Marine Flakes (actual name something like TetraMar).  I currently
suppliment with Spirilla (sp) Flakes which it dearly loves, and fresh
Spinach, which it is virtually addicted to but doesnt get as often as it
should...  Mine has never touched lettuce when offered it.  On rare 
occassions it will get frozen brine shrimp (like when I'm breaking in 
a finicky new fish).

--
Kevin Carpenter       Internet:  kncarp@nicsn1.monsanto.com
Monsanto Company 
St. Louis, Missouri, U.S.A.
Opinions expressed are those of the author, not the company he works for. 
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From: tcumming@netcom.com (Tom Cumming)
Subject: Re: Information on indecent exposure arrest
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 19:59:23 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul21.164829.13041@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:
>From article <43A51YD@netmbx.netmbx.de>, by jrobie@netmbx.netmbx.de (Jonathan Robie):
>> Some people strongly dislike being around nude people.  It affects the
>> atmosphere for them....
>
>Strong dislike is not, as far as I know, a valid excuse for
>restricting someone's liberties.
>
>> .....  It is rather like loud music--peope who want it really
>> like it, people who don't are sometimes very disturbed by it....
>
>I don't agree.  Loud music is not just disturbing; it physically
>interferes with conversation and can damage people's ears.  But
>choosing how much to wear, if anything, is not really much different
>from choosing what to wear.

      Well, I don't agree. I can acknowledge that there are people that
have ideas abount nudity so ingrained (sp?) into them that they could
never change, and we should be tolerant of their life style. There should
be beaches where they can go and be clothed. Maybe we could set aside
some cold far-away rocky beaches that noone else ever uses just for them.

      1/2   :-)


Tom C.
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: sex vs nudity
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:56:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.163624.9720@nynexst.com> rsilvers@nynexst.com (Rob Silvers) writes:
>In article <Bs3ss0.766@xrtll.uucp> stephane@xrtll.uucp (Stephane Deschenes) writes:
>>
>>Your question demonstrates one of the main problems of our society. Namely
>>that men "have no control over their sexual urges".  It is a sickening
>>excuse which I have often heard for everything including rape. 
>>Men are rational, thinking humans and like women, can control their sexual
>>urges.
>
>>Stephane
>>
>
>	How would you know how men think?  I sure have never figured out how
>woman think.  Of course "not being able to control yourself" is no excuse for
>rape, etc.  But, keep in mind, that most men DESIRE sex constantly.  Every day.
>Did you see "When Harry Met Sally?"  Billy Crystal was right.  Men evalute
>every woman they see as a possible sex partner.  If they don't evalute someone,
>it is because that peticular woman was totally out of the question.  Remember

Great flame except he does know how men think since he is one.

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From: watson@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John S. Watson - FSC)
Subject: Re: Hot Springs / Hot Tubs
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:50:04 GMT

Reading these hot springs and tubs postings  have gotten 
me to ask a question I've once was wondering about.

About two years ago we were hiking in Olympic National Park,
and we payed a visit to the famous Olympic Hot Springs.
I think that was the name (the ones where you walk about
a mile on a closed road).

Anyway, when we get there, there are signs about warning 
visitors about the nasty chemicals and/or disease (can't remember
exactly after two years ... maybe they are chemicals and/or disease
that effect the memory)	which abound in these murky pools.

This was enough to keep my friend from partaking,
but I figured, what the heck, live for the day, and jumped right in.
Two years later, I'm still alive.

So, what were thoughs chemicals and/or nasty diseases 
in hot springs that could cause us problems?

chow!
John S. Watson, Civil Servent from Hell          ARPA: watson@ames.arc.nasa.gov

HOMEBREW NAKED! --- Ursus cerevisiae nudium  (The Bare Beer Bear)
All right, then, I'll GO to hell"  --- Mark Twain
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From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: sex vs nudity
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:52:59 GMT

In article <3841@moscom.UUCP> jp@moscom.com (Jim Palmeri) writes:
>>C'mon, Stephane, lighten up.  ..........
>
>>Unlike you, I'm going to avoid calling the words of one poster a 
>>demonstration of "one of the main problems of our society."  It's one of
>>those vague generalizations that thinking people avoid. .....
>
>No, no Stephanie, don't lighten up.  I think your post was well done
>and to the point.  That was no vague generalization, it was an astute
   
etc. etc.
  
>Here's hoping you will keep posting despite the fact that no matter
>what you write, there is always someone who will jump all over you
>for it.

Good brown nose job. Unfortunately you weren't defending a woman
like you thought.

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From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: Sandy Hook: we've come a long way!
Summary: Let it sink in a little
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:04:05 GMT

In article <9HHXNB1w164w@micro-c.mcds.com> speers@micro-c.mcds.com (Daniel E. Speers) writes:
>mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:
>> There are also two signs between the textile and CO parts of the
>> beach, 
>> We've come a long way.
>   Isn't it GREAT!

Yes, but in the interest of the longevity of this project
I suggest that we let the ink dry on the signs before
we go about proclaiming it to the world.

After all, the uniform-types are taking a big leap with
this one. Let's give them a chance to let it work out.


-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)

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From: ta66863@cc.tut.fi (Ahlqvist Tero)
Subject: my first experience on CO beach (was Re: sex vs nudity)
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:40:15 GMT


HI All !!!!!

(before you read this I'll tell you I'm male :) )

Now I've done it. About a week ago I visited one official CO beach of 
Finland (one of the five I think..)  There weren't so many people and
most of them were male (surrrprise!!!!).  
CO beaches are quite new and weird places for us Finns. I am often nude
at home and like to go COed saunas, but this was my first visit at CO
beach because it isn't so close to where I live.
I had a chat with a couple and a single male who visit that beach every
weekend and they told that people are not sure how to act on CO beach,
what is allowed and what is not. Some pairs go to the woods to have 
sex, some gaymen look for pairs and goes around with erected penes, some
even have those "pubis rings" to maintain an erection for hours...
However I saw just one erection and my SO (female) saw it too (and were
not offended). I also saw one pair going to woods, but they just went to
the toilets. So I think someone had wild imagination :)

I didn't have difficulties with erection, because the feeling was so
natural and wonderful. After few minutes I forgot that I and the people
I had chat with, were naked. It all was like God had meant it to be.
So why you all advice newcomers to take history book or War and Peace along
if afraid of erection. Why to lie on your stomach when youre finally got
to the place your willie can legally enjoy the wind, the water and the sun.

I can say I'm lucky, because my SO understands (because seen my urea-caused
morning erection thousands of times) that erection is not offence. It can 
be a thought or even a thought you didn't have time to think :-) Or just
a litre of urea ... :-)

In that CO beach of Yyteri that we visited the CO area is separated from
water and the BEACH. It's an area with sandy dunes and some woods.
It's behind some dunes, and about 50 meters from the sea. The regulations
are to wear a swimsuit when swimming, so the clothed and topless sunbathers
between CO area and the sea aren't offended. We went swimming naked
because there were not so many people on the beach. There have been a threat
when some elder women saw naked men where they didn't belong, that the
CO area will be closed if such happens too often, but as I see the people
on the beach were just amused when we skinnydipped (in a 5-10 peoples group)
and they obviously wanted to join us but didn't dear :)

So we had fun, got some sunburns, and feeling that we'll come back and maybe 
bring some of our friends too.

Tero and Elina

Hopefully someone was interested enough to read this all :)

-- 
        Tero Ahlqvist         
     Annalankatu 10 B 17         ta66863@cc.tut.fi
      SF-33710 Tampere        
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From: mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant)
Subject: Re: Information on indecent exposure arrest
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:48:29 GMT

From article <43A51YD@netmbx.netmbx.de>, by jrobie@netmbx.netmbx.de (Jonathan Robie):
> mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:
> ....
>>So my question is: why do you not want to be around nude people?  Is
>>your reason sufficient to justify abridging the liberty of people who
>>don't perceive a need to wear clothes?

> There should be nude beaches for those who want them.  In Berlin there
> are lots of nude beaches, which is not so in the States.  In fact, I
> sometimes go to the nude beaches.

I don't want to be restricted to a few beaches.  Let us rationally
inquire: why should I be?

> Some people strongly dislike being around nude people.  It affects the
> atmosphere for them....

Strong dislike is not, as far as I know, a valid excuse for
restricting someone's liberties.

> .....  It is rather like loud music--peope who want it really
> like it, people who don't are sometimes very disturbed by it....

I don't agree.  Loud music is not just disturbing; it physically
interferes with conversation and can damage people's ears.  But
choosing how much to wear, if anything, is not really much different
from choosing what to wear.

> .....  Their
> reasons are diverse, but their feelings are strong, and they have a right
> to them.  If you try to force your nudity on them then they will oppose
> you strongly, because they perceive their beaches as their turf.

Of course, the beaches are not their turf.  But I didn't suggest
force.  Unlike some people, I don't want to force anything or
anybody.

But I do want to plant the idea, and I hope it will grow, that there
is something wrong with compelling people to wear clothes if they
don't want to.  If more people can begin to think that there is a
little bit of truth in that idea, we will begin to have less trouble
with our recreation.

> Zoning is probably an appropriate model here.  There should be a place
> for every "legitimate use."

Don't say that.  It makes some people think of segregation: a Jewish
district, a black district, a red light district....  Abstractly, you
may be partly right, but the idea has political drawbacks.  Perhaps
not incidentally, I'm dubious about the way zoning works, but that's
not a valid subject for rec.nude.

							Marty
marty@hoqaa.att.com		hoqaa!marty
Martin B. Brilliant		(Winnertech Corporation)
From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Lingerie Modeling - clarification?
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:22:15 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Hello netters,

I am not sure whether my inquiry belongs to this group or not, but
anyhow I will ask it. I recently saw an Ad. in a local magazine
under Adult Entertinement, saying Lingerie Models are available
for private entertinement. My question is what's all this about?
Is it anything to do with sex?

Please mail me the responses as I don't genarally read this group.

---Sreehari
(chemsn@emrycc.cc.emory.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght)
Subject: nude swimming question
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:43:12 GMT

I was at the lake recently (bible belt south carolina must wear swim
suit lake) and there were a whole lot of fish in this lake coming up
nipping at me and at all the other people.  Nothing bad, just some brim
nipping.  Anyway... I have never been to a nude beach or camp or such
and the thought occurred to me.  If I were to swim nude in this lake I
might find it rather discomforting if some of the bigger fish mistake my
worm for a worm and go at it.  Anyone ever have a problem with this?  Do
choose a lake that is low on nipping fish or what?  Is there something
analogous to the "Bat Shark Repelent" to use?

Jim
From: stein@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Matthew Stein)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Embarrassed at the CO Beach.
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:39:55 GMT
Organization: GRASP Lab, University of Pennsylvania

In article <2egaoB1w164w@opus.mcds.com> speers@opus.mcds.com (Daniel E. Speers) writes:
>larry@panix.com (Larry Benjamin) writes:
>
>> I did not say anything to any of the other people on the beach but I 
>> was not happy and was embarrassed that my friend had to see this the 
>> first (maybe the last) time she when to Robert Moses CO beach.
>
>  You should have said something.  That behavior cannot be tolerated
>in places that we are working to keep.

I'm not so sure I would have the courage to saunter up to people who
obviously do not care what I think and interrupt them.  Being a whimp,
I tend to fear bloody noses. (Now, if I were say 6'10", 280 lbs.....).
So for me the question still remains: what is the best way of dealing
with this situation?  I agree wholeheartedly with "That behavior
cannot be tolerated in places that we are working to keep."  But I
have never had a particularly good idea as to what to do about it.

Matthew R. Stein            | Fourth Law of Robotics:
GRASP Laboratory            | "A robot must keep it's capabilities secret
University of Pennsylvania  | from human beings.  This is especially true for
Philadelphia, P.A. 19104    | faculty advisors and heads of funding agencies"
From: jp@moscom.UUCP (Jim Palmeri)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Hot Springs / Hot Tubs
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:43:11 GMT
Reply-To: jp@moscom.com (Jim Palmeri)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford, NY

>>I was hot tubbing this weekend and I didn't think to drink enough water.
>>Suddenly, I noticed how dizzy and disoriented I felt.  It then occurred to
>>me that I'd been sitting in this tub, I looked like a prune and I hadn't
>>put any of the water back into my body.  Drinking alchohol (and that includes
>>wine and wine coolers) only makes the situation worse.
>>
>I can't argue the merits of drinking lots of water....


I had a hot tub experience that demonstrates the effects of alchohol 
while tubbing.  It was the middle of Februrary in Rochester NY.  A
friend of mine rennted a hot tub and threw a hot tub party outside
in the back yard.  The theme was Mexican/CO, so there was plenty of 
Marguritas, and few clothes....and much fun and mirth.  Being the
middle of Feb., once you got in the tub, you didn't really want to get
out for too long a time.

So I sat there with friends and downed margurita after margurita.  I
felt great!  Pleasently sloshed is a mild way of putting it.

The next morning I ran in a 10k road race.  I usually do about 39 to
40 minutes.  I felt ok that morning, but things were different.  I
thought I was running well, but I didn't see the familiar faces that
I usually run with.  Instead, all around me were the people that usually
finished a race about six minuets behind me.  Then I realized that my
perceptions were out of kilter, and that my body was going in slow
motion.  It took me 46 minutes to finish that race.  In the twenty
years that I have been running races, I had never varied more than a minute
from my expected time in a five miler or a 10k. 

Moral of the story... Hot tubbing nude while drinking Marguritas is
a great bunch of fun!
-- 
Jim P.   (jp@moscom.com)
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From: ran@cbnews.cb.att.com (Robert A. Neinast)
Subject: Re: The Topfree States
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:27:44 GMT
Keywords: NY Court Ruling Footnotes

In article <151rm2INNr2a@network.ucsd.edu>, middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
> In article <> ran@cbnews.cb.att.com (Robert A. Neinast) writes:
>>Anyways, the point of my posting was to show those states
>>that (at least) allowed topfree.

>It should also be noted that other jurisdictions may be applied.  County
>and city ordinances may come into play.  . . .

And let me caveat (<--Haig-speak) this further:  I just gave a listing
of court citations that were in the NY ruling.  It does not necessarily
follow (but probably is pretty close) that the citation actually
makes topfree legal.  For instance,

>#     It is notable that, other jurisdictions have taken the position
># that breasts are not "private parts" and that breast exposure is not
># indecent behavior [*15]   (State v Parenteau, Ohio Misc 2d 10, 11,
># citing State v Jones, 7 NC App 165; . . .

When _State v Parenteau_ cites _State v Jones_ here, as far as I can
tell, it's just supporting the notion that breasts are not private
parts, not necessarily that breast exposure is not indecent behavior
(though this may be supported some other place in _State v Jones_).
Also, breast exposure may not be indecent behavior, but the state
may consider it disorderly conduct, or something else equally silly.

So, if you want to rely on these citations, you should probably go
to your local library and look up the appropriate one.  Me, when
I'm breaking the law, I like to know which law, and by how much :-).

Bob
-- 
                                                                  _
". . . and shun the frumious Bandersnatch."                 Nipetlahuini.
Robert Neinast (ran@cblpo.att.com)
AT&T-Bell Labs
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Easy Access To Black Beach
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:22:52 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <gj57753@pro-harold.cts.com> leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick) writes:
>Consider several hundred or perhaps thousands of peacful folks demanding a
>full jury trial when they are arrested.  

Lee has a good point here.  When you are talking about civil disobedience
a single act of defiance is merely a buzzing fly to be swatted by the giantic
powers.  However, massive organized civil disobedience is a swarm of locust
which is sure to get the attention of even the mightiest giants.

-- 
	Thomas Earl Middleton
	middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu
	aka Happy Bare
From: leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: 'Selling' nudism
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:09:36 GMT
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication

>Perhaps some day I will run for Mayor and have a series of ads done at
Blacks
Beach!! :-)   :-)

Well Tom as you know I asked one of the current candidates for mayor his
position on Blacks Beach and he is for maintaining the status quo. I do
have his respone on paper in case he trys to refute it. I doubt it though
since he attends gay rights events and other non-mainline political events.
-----
Lee Dronick
ProLine: leed@pro-harold
Internet: leed@pro-harold.cts.com
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