From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: THIRD TRIMESTER ABORTIONS
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:31:51 GMT
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In article <1992Sep2.192131.6025@acd4.acd.com> wdo@TEFS1.acd.com (Bill Overpeck) writes:
> IN <1992Sep1.121531.24114@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com 
>    (dean.kaflowitz) writes > 
> In article <1992Sep1.022621.15823@crd.ge.com> 
>    james g keegan jr <keegan@crd.ge.com> writes: >>
> addressing the chaneyhall thing,
>   decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes: >>>
> 
> >>> And he says his home life was not dysfunctional, yet
> >>> look at what it produced.
> >>> 
> >>> He's one sick little boy.  His mommy and daddy
> >>> better get him some serious psychiatric treatment
> >>> before his visions of his inheritance get the better
> >>> of what passes for his patience.  I won't be
> >>> surprised if I see him on A Current Affair somewhere
> >>> down the road.
> 
> >> hmmmm. bill overpeck told me earlier today that it was
> >> prejudicial to suggest that someone seek psychiatric
> >> help when i suggested that DODie do so.
>  
> Not what I said...
> 
> >> i wonder if he'll think the same here.
> 
> > Yeah, well I wasn't sure what Bill was driving at with that
> > one.  
> 
> When I was a kid it was acceptable to derogate others by 
> calling them "retardo" or some such.  Seems like casting 
> someone as emotionally disordered is really no different.  
> Each is an affront to the dignity of those who actually
> suffer from an intellectual, affective or thought disorder.

Okay, I see your point.  I'm not sure why telling someone who
is genuinely emotionally disordered that he or she is genuinely
emotionally disordered is an affront to their dignity.  I do
see how you might, if I read you right, be saying that genuine
concern is not expressed in the manner I chose to express it,
and that if I really thought Dennis needed help, there are
much better ways to suggest it.

You're right if that's what you mean.  But I am not, as
you probably realize, very concerned for Challaney's well-
being.  I just think he's a sick boy and should get
professional help.  And said it.

As for saying it being an affront to his dignity, I'm not
all that worried about his dignity either.

> > But I'm not prepared to change my opinions because
> > Bill doesn't approve.  I like and respect Bill's opinions.
> > Old Rngduus and I may not agree about abortion, but I don't
> > find him difficult to take.  And I do think Chahallney has,
> > if nothing else, an identity crisis of mythological
> > proportions.  The Two Gentlemen From Verona had nothing
> > on that boy.
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean by identity crisis, unless you're 
> referring to his posting from two different accounts?

That and his pretending to be a borg and an airplane and
how his fantasy seems to be very real to him.  I'd say,
and remember that I am not a trained mental health professional,
that it indicates a strong lack of self-esteem.  He keeps
adopting the personas of fictional and even inanimate
objects rather than remaining in the role of himself.  And
his identification with these objects appears, to be
very strong as he plays his roles very frequently and keeps
inventing new aspects to these fictional roles.  Strikes
me as he needs some therapy.  If that's an affront to his
dignity, so be it.  I'm quite prepared to affront his
dignity.
> 
> > And Bill, if you're listening, how's Irene?
> 
> She's leaning toward the pro-life position.
> 
> > Goodnight Irene
> > Goodnight Irene goodnight
> > Goodnight Irene goodnight Irene
> > I'll see you in my dreams
> 
> But then a crooner like you might cause her to stumble...
> 
> Stop it.

Okay, okay.  I'll cut it out.  From now on I'll just call
you Bill.  Plain old Bill.  Just Bill.  And no more about
Irene, since your wife is probably starting to wonder who
Irene is.

Take it easy
plain old just Bill.

Deeeee34eeeeeen

That's when I used to love her
But it's all over now
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