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From: Herman.Woltring@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Herman Woltring)
Subject: Correction: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome lists, databases, echo, and BBSs
Summary: CFS-L, CFS-NEWS, Fidonet CFS, NIH CFS database
Keywords: CFS, ME, CFIDS, Eppstein-Barr Virus Syndrome, Yuppy Flue
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:12:46 GMT

In a previous posting to this newsgroup, I made a typo when identifying
listserv@list.nih.edu: the correct email address is listserv@list.nih.GOV. 
Below is the correct text.
> 
>Earlier this month, a new BITNET/Internet ListServ discussion list and
>newsletter on CFS (also called ME, for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, and
>by various other names) were started by Roger Burns in Washington DC;
>his email address is bfu@cu.nih.gov on the Internet, and bfu@nihcu on
>BITNET.  He has started the administrative process to create a link
>with Usenet so as to have a mirrored cfs newsgroup.  The archives of
>these lists are public.  Send the following commands for membership and
>archive retrieval to listserv@list.nih.gov or listserv@nihlist.bitnet
>(one per line, Subject: line is irrelevant):
> 
>subscribe CFS-L 1st_name 2nd_name
>subscribe CFS-NEWS 1st_name 2nd_name
>index CFS-L
>index CFS-NEWS
>send CFS-L LOG9208
>send CFS-NEWS LOG9208
>info genintro
>
>Postings to CFS-L are free (send them to cfs-l@list.nih.gov, *not* to
>the administrative listserv address, with a suitable subject line of up
>to 40 characters), while CFS-NEWS is moderated.
> 
>Furthermore, Roger has set up a database at his own site: send empty
>email notes to server@cu.nih.gov or to server@nihcu.bitnet with the
>following commands in the Subject: line (one per message only):
> 
>help
>get ftp cfs.index
>get ftp cfs.resource
>get ftp cfs.nih.pamphlet.for.doctors
>get ftp cfs.nih.back.groun.der
> ( ... etc. ...)
> 
>Furthermore, there is a FidoNet "echo" named CFS, and there are various
>BBSs that carry CFS information, especially one in Augusta, Maine and one
>in Tucson, Arizona; their Tables of Contents can be retrieved from the
>above server with the Subject: line commands:
>
>get ftp cfs.bbs.filelist.maine
>get ftp cfs.bbs.filelist.arizona
> 
>Hopefully, this information will be useful for the time being until a Usenet
>newsgroup on CFS has been set up.
   
Herman J. Woltring <woltring@nici.kun.nl, woltring@hnykun53.bitnet>
(Please send no private notes to this bbs address)


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From: cparkins@alsvid.une.edu.au (CAROL ROSINA PARKINS)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Info Wanted Conventional/unconventional for LABRYNTHITIS
Date: 3 Sep 92 04:50:37 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)

Can anyone please give me information on Labrynthitis either conventional or
unconventional treatments or cures welcome. It has lasted for one month now
and its like having a fun park herdy-gerdy ride in your head all the time
without paying for the admission charge.........HELP!       Carol.
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From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Need to find applications that could use EMI shielding
Keywords: EMI, shielding
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:22:29 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <17tgc2INNcap@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> ame@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Abdulrahman M El-Koubysi) writes:
>
>I am trying to put together a list of applications that could possibly use
>some shield from low frequency electromagnetic interference (EMI). Dose 
>anybody out there know of an application that could be improved if shielded from
>EMI????
>
Magnetoencephalography.  The magnetic field signals are so small
that this work has to be done deep underground.


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Subject: Re: Incidence of Hemorrhage from CBZ?
From: Robin.Salmansohn@f715.n273.z1.fidonet.org (Robin Salmansohn)
Date: 22 Aug 92 14:29:50 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:273/715 - Alternative Lifesty, Wyndmoor PA


 To : geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
 
 geb> Quite low.  I've never seen more than bleeding onto the toothbrush.
 geb> Transient thrombocytopenia is not uncommon, and initially there
 geb> was enough concern that the PDR contained black-bordered warnings
 geb> on it, but with more experience this didn't turn out to be much
 geb> of a problem, and anymore we don't go through the serial blood
 geb> testing that we used to.  If you are worried, CBC with platelet
 geb> checks for a couple of months after starting Tegretol can be done,
 geb> but if no severe platelet drops are noted, then it is not necessary
 geb> to continue them.
 
I am not worried, but puzzled. A good friend of mine is STILL in the hospital 
with anemia. He takes CBZ. His count keeps on dropping to 6
They ran several GI series on him, and have even guessed Sprue (but ruled that 
out). So far he has recieved sevral units of blood. Personally I am guessing 
aflatoxin (he eats nothing but peanuts unless
he is a guest at someones home). This only raises a question: Could
aflatoxin do that? He has kept a lot of some of the best specialists
guessing. So far it seems it MIGHT be CBZ. (I don't know if he has bone
marrow depression, but I rather think that he had been tested for that,
as he is being seen by oncology/hematology).
HellifIknow.


 

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From: stevem@solbourne.com (Stephen Matson)
Subject: Re: Chest/Rib Cage Pains
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:32:20 GMT

Bob.Donovan@p0.f15.n114.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Donovan) writes:
>.......  It seems unless you have insurance in this state most
>hospitals would just as soon let you die in agony at the
>front door before letting you in to see what the problem is.
>
  
   Well it seems you did not die. 

 
>So, maybe someone can help me on the computer without me
>coming in to "waste space" in the hospital.  If so, I would
>greatly appreciate it.
> 
> 
>...................................... I smoke 1-1/2 or so
>packs a day, don't drink, don't do drugs.  I don't get
>"lots" of sleep or eat 3 meals a day, but I do eat and get
>sleep.
> 
>Can anyone help me here.  It seems I had the curse of being
>born an American and made the mistake of working and paying
>taxes for quite a few years.  Now I find all that means is I
>don't qualify for any State or Federal help to cover my
>doctors bills.  All I want to know Is how serious is this
>and for how long will I be in this kind of pain and being
>afraid every night that I won't wake up ever again

  Gee man let me get this straight. You have had this problem for three
years. Your only contact with the medical profession is when you go to
the emergency room. You don't have insurance so you can't see a Doctor 
in his office. You spend $90 or so a month on smokes.

 Get a clue.

 If you quit smoking not only will you save $90 a month to go see a Doctor
but I bet your chest pains will go away and you will not need to see one.

 Oh, I'm a smoker so don't get bent out of shape about "preaching"
From: ddodell@stjhmc.fidonet.org (David Dodell)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Fidonet restrictions?? (was:Re: L. day, md)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 06:49:23 mst
Organization: St. Joseph's Hospital/Medical Ctr, Phoenix, AZ

On <Mon, Aug 24 05:08>, UUCP (aschlie@uoft02.utoledo.edu Date: 24 Aug 92 
05:08:58 GMT
) wrote: 

 >book and it does make valid arguments.   But back to your comments 
 >steve, why
 >week out fidonet?  I have not been following the discussions closely 
 >lately and 
 >I am just curious what I may have missed.

Nothing, Steve has been on this "kick" to kill the gateway since I started it 
5 years ago.  He automatically associates fidonet = poor postings.  However, 
I don't find that the quality of the postings I pass any better or worse then 
the ones that originate on Usenet.

But, I don't care, Steve has never answered any direct email from me.  Let 
him have his fun.

 

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From: wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Infra-red Glucose Meters
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:41:56 GMT
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
X-Md4-Signature: 39d1e39f1e86d3061338bc4f70843259

In article <1992Aug25.152853.25020@lonex.rl.af.mil> claudia@lonex.rl.af.mil (Claudia M. Servadio-Coyne) writes:
>
>Has anyone in the diabetic community heard any status at all on the
>new infra-red glucose meters?  what company is making them?
>Where FDA stands on approval? Is there any other place to get information
>on this?

I believe that the new "One Touch" meter from Johnson&Johnson is an IR
based meter.  It's been available for a few months now, and I saw it in
use at Duke in a research/testing situation about a year ago. (In the
clinic, they asked patients coming thru if they could get an additional
bit of blood from the "finger stick" to do a comparison test on the
"new" machine - we agreed *after* asking if there were an extra charge
for the additional test!  But that's another flame :-)

My wife has been using the Ames Glucometer II for a while, and it
started giving some odd results so we got the One Touch and keep the
Ames as a back up.

The One Touch is a cute little device, it has *two* micro laser LEDs and
detector pairs.  One is visible, and I think the other is the IR pair.
The real cute thing is that the One Touch has quite a bit of memory for
keeping the readings, and can be hooked to a computer if you have the
interest.  Its about time really modern computer technology was so
affordable in such a small package.
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Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: ********  MICROWAVE HAZARDS *******
From: Daniel.Prince@p0.f129.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Daniel Prince)
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:35:39 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:102/129.0 - One World, Redondo Beach CA

To: bng@tropel.gca.com (Baldwin Ng)

 BN> I am sure that many of you have heard the fact that radar guns
 BN> used by highway police are now suspected to cause cancer to
 BN> police who are frequently exposed to MICROWAVES.
 BN> 
 BN> My question is: ARE MICROWAVE OVENS (when used very frequently)
 BN> ALSO CAPABLE OF CAUSING CANCER??
 BN> 
 BN> I suspect that microwave ovens have some kind of a shield to
 BN> cutoff most of the radiation, but a small portion is still
 BN> leaked through and radiates to the user, right??

If you use one 8 or more hours a day and you stand or sit within 
two centimeters of the oven (the door seals and the back usually 
have the most leakage), you would probably have a slightly 
increased risk of some cancers.  The amount of microwaves 
decreases at the SQUARE of the distance.  If you washed dishes a 
meter away from the oven you would be exposed to (1/50*50 
=1/2500) one twenty-five-hundredth of as much microwave energy as 
you would get at two centimeters.

I remember reading that when the microwave ovens first came out, 
some restaurants would defeat the door interlocks, remove the 
doors and operate the ovens continuously.  The cooks would place 
plates of food in the ovens, and remove them while the oven was 
operating.  I understand that they had rather high rates of 
cataract formation.

... My cat walks all over me!

 

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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: rick@cs.sunysb.edu (Rick Spanbauer)
Subject: Re: Diabetic coma
Organization: State University of New York, Stony Brook
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:43:29 GMT

In article <16238@pitt.UUCP> km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.232922.17792@javelin.sim.es.com> bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>>
>>As for "specifications", there are no specifications that I have seen
>>for posting to the net.  However, my experience has been that the goal
>>has traditionally been to communicate concisely, accurately, &
>>precisely.  Medical information that is not communicated in this
>>manner may quite easily mislead someone into injuring themselves or
>>others.  
>>
>
>Well, I view this as the final straw. As I have indicated before, I
>have always been worried about the possibility of people taking the
>net too seriously, of view information here as medical advice and to
>infer some type of doctor-patient relationship from encounters here.
>The increasing insistence from others regarding the tone, nature,
>and content of postings from medical people here has me worried.
>Gordon posted honest, factual information regarding spina bifida and
>associated conditions, and is being reamed for it because of
>"netside manner", whatever that is.
>
>The possibility of a lawsuit arising from the use of information or
>advice carried by the net is real, and as mentioned before, I do not
>carry malpractice insurance. I no longer think posting information
>here that could be even conceivably be taken as medical advice is a
>viable proposition.
>
> -km

	Ken, I would hope that you continue to interact on sci.med
	as you have been all along.  Postings from yourself, Gordon Banks,
	Steve Dyer, and others are consistently of the highest
	quality I've seen in any Usenet group.  I appreciate your presence
	here enough that if I have to contribute money to a "Usenet
	Malpractice Insurance" fund to ensure continued participation on
	your part, I will.

					Rick Spanbauer
					SUNY/Stony Brook
From: adolfo@soul.tv.tek.com (Adolfo Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Thermography
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:57:51 GMT
Organization: Tektronix TV Products
Originator: adolfo@soul.tv.tek.com

Some time ago I read about the use of thermography and thermovision in the
field of medicine.  Does anyone out there know if thermography or thermovision
is still used in medicine?

Regards,

Adolfo
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: jkenton@world.std.com (Jeff Kenton)
Subject: Re: The dangers of a low cholesterol level
Organization: Kenton Systems Corporation, Weston MA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:44:25 GMT

In article <john.715441732@spssig.spss.com> john@spss.com (John Przyborowski) writes:
>
>A NY Times article from August 19 outlined some research that was being 
>done with "low" cholesterol levels.  Researchers claimed that they have 
>founds links between low cholesterol levels and violent death, ie. suicide,
>murder, accidents.  These folks were also supposed to be subject to violent
>mood swings and liver problems.  I happen to have a low cholesterol level
>(145) and do not, I REPEAT DO NOT HAVE VIOLENT OUTBURSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>:):):):):):)
>
>This research team's conclusion strikes me as so much skewed horseshit.  
>
>JOHN
>SPSS


I have seen something related (not necessarily the same) which
discussed problems caused by lowering your cholesterol greatly.



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From: micjrs@mica.mic.ki.se (Richard Soderberg, MD)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Turning into a Pig
Keywords: Pigs
Date: 31 Aug 92 07:06:23 GMT
Reply-To: micjrs@mica.mic.ki.se (Richard Soderberg, MD)
Organization: The Karolinska Institute, Stockholm, Sweden

What about some kind of hypersensitivity (allergic reaction)?
Are there any yellow crusts or oozing? (could suggest staph/streptococci)
Any tenderness? Does she run a temperature?
I hope your colleague is ok by the time you read this, if not go and see a 
physical physician (as distinct from the electronic net variety!)
/RS

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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: mdicker@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Dickerson)
Subject: Experimentation and teaching on non-patients
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 02:07:48 GMT


Hello,

I am posting this query for a friend who does not have net or email
access.  I will forward any responses to my friend.

Can someone describe what is required during medical school as far as
being the subject of experimentation and teaching?  I know that it is
fairly common to use medical students for medical experimentation.  I am
wondering how much of this is required, how much is because of "pressure"
to do it, and how much is not required at all.


The other question is the same thing except for teaching.  Is it required
to volunteer yourself to be used for teaching physical methods (things
like IVs, general physical exams, etc) to other medical students?  If so,
what procedures must one undergo in this process?  Are there certain ones
required and others not?  Does this differ much between medical schools in
the USA?  How about non-USA medical schools?

Any detailed information would be appreciated.  This information is for a
friend who is thinking of a medical career, but due to her cultural
background, is not willing to undergo certain procedures.  Specifically,
she is concerned that she will have to be examined by other medical
students in a mixed-gender environment in any way which would require
disrobing either entirely or partially.  This is just a cultural barrier,
and since she is very bright, it would be a shame if she could not enter
an American medical school on account of such requirements.  This is also
the reason for the question about foreign medical schools - are there good
ones, abroad, with out the requirement of medical students used for
teaching and medical research?  If so, I will forward the names of these
schools to her, along with any other relevant information.

Thank you for any information pertaining to this topic.

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From: tony@disk.uucp (tony)
Subject: Re: ******** MICROWAVE HAZARDS *******
Organization: Digital Information Systems of KY
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 17:33:25 GMT

Daniel.Prince@p0.f129.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Daniel Prince) writes:

>I remember reading that when the microwave ovens first came out, 
>some restaurants would defeat the door interlocks, remove the 
>doors and operate the ovens continuously.  The cooks would place 
>plates of food in the ovens, and remove them while the oven was 
>operating.  I understand that they had rather high rates of 
>cataract formation.

	I can't believe people could be so ignorant!  Do you have any more
information on this?  I wonder if the restaurant owners got sued?  I sure
hope so!!!  
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From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: wisdom teeth removal
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:39:54 GMT

I've had two wisdom teeth _pulled_ (not cut out) after I got
multiple-surface cavities in them.  It was cheaper to have them
pulled, quicker, and I'd already proven that I couldn't keep them
cavity-free.  I have a smallish mouth and it's just too hard for me to
keep them clean.

My dentist just gave me novicaine and pulled them out.  I had a bit of
gauze in my mouth for a while and was instructed not to play with the
hole for fear of dislodging the scab too soon, but I had no subsequent
pain or discomfort or swelling and I went to work the next day without
a second thought.  I ate something soft that evening.

My dentist said that he'd fill a single-surface or a two-surface
cavity on a wisdom tooth rather than pull it, but a three-surface
cavity was big enough that he'd usually recommend pulling.  He will
_not_ pull an intact wisdom tooth as a precaution.

By the way, the two I had pulled were both on the right side and
I'm righthanded. lending some credence to the observation that we
tend to brush less well on the side of the hand we brush with.

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From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Need info on `Acromegaly'
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:30:49 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <11749.2aa210f3@cpva.saic.com> demartinib@cpva.saic.com writes:
>The son of close friends of mine has just been diagnosed with `acromegaly', or
>hyper-pituitaryism.  He is ony 19 months old, wears a child's size 5, and
>stands tall enough to reach into the kitchen sink.  
>
I'm not sure it's called acromegaly when it is found in a child, but
if left untreated it will produce a pituitary giant, like the woman
from China who plays on their basketball team.  Most of the giants
of olden times (8 feet or more) were pituitary giants.  It is produced
by tumors of the pituitary, which cause abnormal secretion of growth
hormone.  

Some say Goliath was a pituitary giant, and the reason that David
was able to kill him was he had bitemporal hemianopsia (blind off
to the sides) because the tumor compresses the optic chiasm producing
this pattern.  David snuck up on him from one of his blind sides
and clonked him with the rock.  

Nowadays, we don't usually have pituitary giants, because we have
methods of treating the tumors before the child gets too large.


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