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From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Piccard's butt - Chain of Command II - SPOILERS
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:27:39 GMT

In article <BznyxJ.FEK@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Eric Schlene <eschlene@indiana.edu> writes:
|
|So what was gained by making poor ol' Pat appear in the buff? C'mon Trek
|fans, we're smarter than that. Do we need sensationalism to make a point? 

I didn't see it as sensationalism.  I saw it as a foreshadowing of a sort.
Stripping him naked physically as a precursor to doing so mentally.  There
are few more vulterable positions one could be in, than naked and restrained,
hung from the ceiling by the arms.  I thought it was VERY appropriate.  And
disturbing.

|And I don't want to hear "well it wouldn't have been a realistic torture
|if they hadn't stripped him." Yeah right. Like they'd given him the
|terrycloth bath robe to cover up with as seen in the full body scenes.

Hey, we're talking American network television.  Dressing him up in the
tunic was the artificial act.  It would have been much more degrading to
just leave him naked.  But the censors just would not allow that.

|Paramount could have done the "stripped" scenes waist up and still had
|the same effect.

No way.  Being exposed to the enemy to that degree is scary, don't you 
think?

|Face it. Taste and respect for our intellegence just took back seat to
|trashy sensationalism.
|
|I'm dissappointed.

Too bad.  Go join Amnesty International, immediately.  Read their
literature.  

I have, and for me, the entire torture scenario was disturbingly 
realistic, and cut me right to the bone.

		Dave "I've got a life, now what?" Svoboda
From: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9: Avery Brooks has att
Date: 2 Jan 93 14:58:00 GMT
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Reply-To: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 

On 29 Dec 92 15:11:36 CST, kuvamp@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu wrote:

KU>AVERY BROOKS:  DON'T LOOK FOR HIM AT TREKKIE CONVENTIONS

KU>Gee, isn't it great that Paramount picks actors to whom this is just another
KU>job, and who have no idea what this role means to people?  I mean if he's
KU>not willing to put up with the fandom, he should keep his B-grade tv series
KU>ass at home and give the job to someone who can handle it.  Leave your Ego at
KU>the door, Avery, or this will be a SHORT job.

I'm sure you speak for a good many people, and my response is:  Fandom,
leave YOUR ego at the door.

Television acting IS a job.  That's what Avery Brooks is being hired for,
to act.  If he does a good job (and judging by his past performances, I
have every reason to believe he will), then we fans will be lucky to have
him as part of Star Trek.  He, or any other Star Trek actor, is under no
obligation whatsoever to appear at conventions; it's not part of the job
description.  From what I've seen at some of the cons, I'm not sure *I'd*
want to appear at them either.

Avery Brooks can best serve Star Trek, and Star Trek fandom, by giving the
best performances he is capable of giving.  Period.

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From: ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan)
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Subject: Re: Uniform Colors...When are they mandatory?
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:46:36 GMT
Organization: HNSX Supercomputers

In article <27DEC92.24401613.0039@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> N2SX@UNB.CA (N2SX) writes:
>In article <1992Dec27.014354.28280@umbc3.umbc.edu> ac999239@umbc8.umbc.edu (ac999239) writes:

...

>>
>>Also I have noticed never seeing anyone of Commander rank (Lt. Commander is not
>>the same thing) who wore gold. I have seen red and blue, but never gold with
>>3 pips. Is there something preventing this or is it just a coincidence?
>>You would think in 6 years someone would specialize in engineering and be a
>>commander!
>>.
>>.
>Perhaps you've missed every episode since the beginning of the third
>season, when Geordi was promoted to Lt. Cmdr?

Geordi's got 2 pips & 1 circle.( Lt. Cmdr)
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From: dust@cs.UAlberta.CA (Dust Jason Norman)
Subject: Re: DS9 or DSN?
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 19:04:00 GMT

	I don't know if this has been mentioned before but the ST:TNG
COMPANION shows Deep Space Nine abbreviated as "DS9" on page 207.
From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com
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Subject: Majel Barret-Roddenberry in Multiple Roles
Date: 23 Dec 92 01:18:58 GMT
Return-Path: <amail.amdahl.com!rich.bellacera@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>

Y'all are forgetting one other Star Trek role Majel Barret played.  Here's
the full list of credits for her:

PROMINENT or RECURRING ROLES
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
ST: PILOT "The Cage"   -  No. 1  (An emotionless, logical humanoid)
ST: TOS "The Menagerie"   (reused footage from "The Cage")
ST: TOS                -  Nurse Christine Chapel
ST: TAS                -  Lt. M'Ress (Caitian Communications Officer)-voice
ST: TFS                -  Doctor (LtC) Chapel (promoted to SF HQ)
ST: TNG                -  The Ship's Computer voice
ST: TNG/DS9            -  Lwaxanna Troi (Deana's mother)

Can you say 'nepotism'?  Yeah, I thought you could.  ;-)
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Majel, as you probably know is Gene's widow and runs a fan merchandising
company originally called Lincoln Enterprises.  I don't know if it is still in
business, changed it's name or what.  I do know it was still alive at the
beginning of ST:TNG.  She is set to guest star as Lwaxanna in Deep Space Nine.
From: rchan@terapin.com (Ronald Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Date: 1 Jan 93 05:46:01 GMT
Organization: BBS


 ]From: shimkevi@acs.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
 ]Well, Jane Fonda will probably surrender the ship to the Romulans or the
 ]Cardassians :-)

No... no.. no... She would go a pose in front of a Cardassian phaser cannon!


|| Ronald Chan [rchan@terapin.com]
|| A Pocket Knight  *-{-----------
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 3 Jan 1993 17:54:00 CST
From: <U16028@uicvm.uic.edu>
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Subject: Re: DS9 on Superstation WGN channel 9 Chicago
 <29DEC199219335774@gergo.tamu.edu> <rccarm00.725684742@mik.uky.edu>
 <4666@vidiot.UUCP> <C09CuF.1GD@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

In article <C09CuF.1GD@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, bau55536@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Larry
Combs Jr) says:
>
>DS9 is scheduled to be shown on Sunday Jan. 3 at 7pm.  Whether or not
>it will come over the cable feed is another story.
>
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The good news is that DSN has an outlet in Chicago.

The bad news is that it is WGN, Channel 9.

I wonder how many times a new DSN episode will be pre-empted for a
Chicago Bulls game or a Cubs or White Sox game, either regularly
scheduled or extra inning.

BTW, DSN will be airing in the 7pm Sunday evening time slot on Ch. 9.

Terry
U16028@uicvm.uic.edu
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From: jess@engx25.trt.com (Jess Alvarado)
Subject: Re: TNG: The roles they play...
Organization: TRT COMMUNICATIONS
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:06:10 GMT

Scott,

I think the idea you touched on in our final paragraph is a stroke of 
genious.  And why stop at just adding new characters to the same ship.
Where is it written that ST has to be about the exploits of one ship.
Its high time Riker assumed his own command.  Fine, I understand he
is HAPPY on the Enterprise but an officer must answer the call to duty
and what better choice for a new SF Captain then the first officer
from the Fleets flag ship.  I can see it now.  Captain William Riker
of the Federation ship "PICK YOUR FAVORITE" with first officer Commander Worf
and Lt. Wesley Crusher.  Mean while, in another sector of the galaxy
Captain Picard of the Enterprise with first officer Commander Data and
Lt. Commander ?LeForge(sp)?. Of course, other crew members would have to
be introduced, and episodes could alternate between the two ships or follow
the seperate story lines in parallel.  I think this would make for many
more facinating story lines, and give us even more characters to love,
hate, and pick on.



Jess
Just my opinion
that's all

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From: yxl5388@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Fractalman)
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "Chain of Command, Part II"
Originator: yxl5388@ultb
Organization: Imperial Klingon Fleet
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 05:30:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.3208.18197@dosgate> "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com> writes:

> [stuff deleted]

> TWL> --Could someone with a closed-captioning decoder please let me know
> TWL> what Picard's final lines are after "You cannot hurt me!"  I've gone
> TWL> over it several times, but damned if I can make it out...
>
>Didn't he just fall over?  Or was that just in the promo?  I think he
>was trying to repeat "6 years old...  only a boy..." or something like
>that...  I thought you put that down in your synopsis!

Yeah he said 'You cannot hurt me! You're 6 years old, only a boy...'
Basically repeating what the other guy just said. I missed the episode
since I stepped in the house and left 5 minutes later. That sentence
what the only line I caught. :)

=Fractalman

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From: lmahoney@chemdept.chem.ncsu.edu (Louise Mahoney)
Subject: Re: Picards french fries
Organization: Chemistry Department, North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:25:17 GMT

A whole lot of endless French song stuff deleted because I couldn't
care less





Actually Picard is very hungry and is screaming out (in French)
for an order of French Fries.  (Actually since he is French he
asks for chips |-)

Back to your regularly scheduled argument
From: rberlind@acsu.buffalo.edu (roger s berlind)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Chain of Command in Champaign-Urbana (no spoilers)
Date: 27 Dec 92 17:16:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.BzxHBD.G78
Distribution: na
Organization: UB

In article <4596@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
>In article <ternent.18@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu> ternent@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu (John Ternent) writes:
><Good old Fox 55/27 WRSP/WCCU (Springfield/Urbana) strikes again.  All last 
><evening they showed the promos for Relics.  Then, when "Willow" was over (at 
><9:30), the voice-over was talking about the 75-year-old wreck and the person 
><trapped in the transporter beam... "Coming up next, on Star Trek: The Next 
><Generation." I _almost_ left to run some errands, but by the time I was 
><ready to leave, they showed the intro to the show... and it was "Chain of 
><Command!"  Way to go, Fox! Possible explanations? Maybe "Chain" surprised 
><them or something.. "Hey! Where did _this_ show come from?"
>
>According to the date of the posting, which was the 15th, I can assume you
>mean that they aired the program on the 14th.
>
>Someone in traffic actually screwed up.  They've know since December 4th
>that the schedule has changed.
>
>Some of the blame for not knowing has to also be placed on your shoulders.
>Why, because ever since the 5th, the net has had plenty of postings indicating
>that something was up.  I verified the schedule change on the 7th and posted
>the new schedule then.  Ever since then, there have been plenty of messages
>regarding this change posted right here.
>
>In the end you have no one to blame but yourself for not knowing

Does anyone know if this happened in Buffalo? I was out of town.

Roger
From: bgoin@moe.coe.uga.edu (Beth Goin Math Education)
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Subject: Spoilers : Chain of command.
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:44:30 GMT
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Spoilers ahead,





























Ok, if Captain Jelico (sp?) is preparing the crew for war, then what of the
families living on board?  Are they being prepared?

Beth
bgoin@moe.coe.uga.edu

These opinions are mine only and do not reflect upon The University of Georgia
in any capacity whatsoever.
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From: efw@lancelot.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Edward F. Webb II)
Subject: Re: Who is Ronny Cox
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 14:18:52 GMT

In article <lk62436@pro-amber.cts.com>, rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki) writes:
|> Ronny Cox has been around quite awhile. He has many movies to his
|> credit,ie, Total Recall, Beast Within, Vision Quest just to name a few.

He also played the chief of police in the critically-acclaimed,
personally-appreciated, but quickly-cancelled "Cop Rock".
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E  II
Date: 4 Jan 93 05:09:53 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1993Jan4.035716.21722@lclark.edu>, quinn@lclark.edu (Chris Quinn) writes:
> In article <1992Dec17.225700.499@fsl.noaa.gov> jkl@fsl.noaa.gov (Jennifer Longstaff) writes:
>>I know there have also been plenty of men shown as idiots on the show, but
>>I'm trying to remember when a woman was portrayed as *REALLY SMART* or
>>competent or a good female role model.  Can anyone help me with this?
> 
> I think one possibly strong woman was Leah Brahms, in "Galaxy Child" and an 
> earlier show.  She was the person who helped design the E's engines.  She 
> was a kinda no-nonsense person, who thought Geordi was way out of line in 
> way he was treating her (after she learned why).  I didn't like much of 
> "Galaxy Child," but I liked the character of Leah Brahms.
> 
> Granted, however, she is not a regular of the show, so go figure ;-)
> 
> the eskimo

Yes, Dr. Brahms qualifies.
Other candidates include Lieutenant Commander Shelby from "The Best of Both
Worlds," the scientist in "The Quality of Life", another scientist in 
"First Contact" (these are important characters, I just can't remember
their names off-hand), the leader of the Mentokans in "Who Watches the
Watchers," the Judge in "The Measure of a Man" (she was a Captain by rank,
I remember that much), the Admiral in charge of Starfleet Academy in 
"The First Duty," the Vice-Admiral who sent Picard on his mission in th
recent "Chain of Command," another doctorate scientist who destroyed the
crystalline entity in "Silicon Avatar," Commander Sela in "Redemption"and
"Unification," Lieutenant Yar (Season One and various parallel universe
versions of her), Lursa and Beytor in "Redemption," Vash in "Captain's
Holiday" and "Qpid," Ashley Judd's character in "The Game," Dr Crusher
has to qualify as brilliant not to mention Dr Pulaski, Tasha's sister
in "Legacy," Guinan, Amanda in "Q Me?", Ensign Ro, and probably many
others....

Steven.K.Manfred
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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of we
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:36:16 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <cboerm48.724960797@ursa> cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:
>scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield)  writes:
<Discussion on appropriateness of Troi's "casual wear" deleted>
>
>	I think the uniform is a BIG improvement.
>
Here, I have to agree (although growing up a military dependant, I've always
loved a woman in uniform), Troi looks much better in a regular Starfleet
uniform, and for me, that's the bottom (no pun intended) line.  I hope the
writers decide to keep it.

Riker:  "DeAnna, you can wear your normal outfits again, Jellico's gone."
Troi:   "I know, Will, but those outfits hurt."
Riker:  "I liked them."


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From: alix@iastate.edu (L.A. Melloy)
Subject: Jean-Luc Picard and COC (*MINOR SPOILERS*)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:07:44 GMT

There was an interesting post on rec.arts.sf.tv that I tried to reply in
cross post and screwed up with.

Basically, their post said that they thought that after everything that Picard
has been through (the Borg, and now torturing at the hands of the Cardassians),
that he should be retired.  I strongly disagreed with that.  Why should he
be discriminated against if he is given a clean bill of pschiatric health?

They did bring up one point that I DO agree with though.  Why, after that
psychologically terrible ordeal, did they allow him command of the Enterprise,
with only Deanna Troi to help him through it.  My God!  He should have been
given an extended leave of absence in one of the best Federation psychological
units after that experience, ESPECIALLY being the captain of the Federation's
flag ship and expected to take the command back at some point in time.

Someone in this group brought up something similar to this.  I have to agree
that I think the next time we saw Picard in uniform after being returned
should have been on Deep Space Nine, or picking him up at Star Base XXX, the
loony bin.

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From: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Subject: Re: Chain of Command 1: Irony abounds (Spoilers)
Reply-To: michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:10:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.164717.29544@news.csuohio.edu> cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu  
(Joe Rosenfeld) writes:
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> the Federation, or is it because the Cardassians must be as close as
> possible to deliver the weapon?  Are not both possibilities obvious?

Umm...there is no weapon.  Didn't you see the inner room?  Just a beacon  
sending out subspace waves at a frequency which a weapon might use.  That's  
why they took one look at it and said, "It's a trap!"  
Xref: sparky rec.arts.startrek.current:21274 rec.arts.startrek.misc:13049
From: dubear@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (Dubear Kroening)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why Data has white face
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:28:51 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

While we're at it, why in all this time haven't they came up with uniforms
that fit.  I find it irritating that the crewmembers are constantly pulling
down their tops every time they stand up.

Sorry if this has already been commented on before, but I'm somewhat new to
this group, and TNG in general.

Dubear
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: The English-Speaking Universe (Ayeee!)
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:29:47 GMT

nyoung@desire.wright.edu writes:

************
FLAME ON!!!!
************

>Then, think about it this way: Only on Star Trek (and other
>shows with humanoid form aliens) do you find alien creatures
>with upper and lower sets of teeth, lips that enclose and
>stand in front of those teeth, a tongue behind the teeth and
>a mouth with a palate. The chances are more likely that any
>alien (as in non-terrestrial) beins out there in the great dark
>wooly space between the stars will not have exactly the same
>"vocal apparatus," as they say in the linguistic world. We could
>run into beings like Burroughs' Mugwumps: "Thin, purple-blue
>lips cover a razor-sharp beak of black bone with which
>they frequently tear each other to shreds in fights over
>clients...." Or his Reptiles: "A fan of green cartilage covered
>with hollow, erectile hairs ... sprouts from behind each ear.
>The fans, which mover from time to time touched by invisible currents, 
>serve also some form of communication known only to the Reptiles."

I think this has something to do with the fact that human have those
fitures and hense alien-make-up on humans would have similar stuff.

>That's why English is the language of the galaxy. It's because
>those who speak English (and will speak only English until their
>dying day, even if that dying day is in the middle of a bunch
>of Nahuatl Indians after being dropped by the junta from a 
>helicopter) know in their heart of hearts that they are physically,
>mentally, emotionally, culturally and psychologically incapable
>of learning any other language. You know the type: average white
>american MIS majors.

Or maybe it's cause humans from eaith reprsent the largest number of
beings in the federation and therefore english is the official language
of the federation.


		CtB
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