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From: RDIWAKAR@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Deepavali Release
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:56:45 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

Title : Kaaviya Thalaivan
Actors : Vijayakaanth, Banupriyaa, M. N. Nambiyaar, ManOramaa
Direction: K. S. GOpaalakrishNan

Story : The movie begins in Singapore with the expulsion of Vijayakaanth to
India for some minor crime.  Actually he does this to save a friend from going
to jail.  Nambiyaar and Baanupriyaa meet him at the port and Nambiyaar is
impressed by Vijayakaanth.  She hates him because he is a convicted felon.
Nambiyaar is fighting a legal battle with his daughter-in-law (Baanupriyaa's
mother)for the custody of properties after the death of his son (Baanupriyaa's
father).  The mother lives in Singapoer with Baanupriyaa's twin sister.

During the travel, Vijayakaanth saves Nambiyaar from thugs hired by the mother.
Back in India, Nambiyaar hires Vijayakaanth as his manager and makes him stay
in the house.  Baanupriyaa tries her best to insult and oust him in vain.  In
a sudden turn of events, Baanupriyaa and Vijayakaanth are married.  Nambiyaar
writes a will such that the properties will go to Vijayakaanth until a child
is born to the couples.  However, Vijayakaanth find out that Baanupriyaa is
incapable of bearing children and hides the fact from her.  Instead he makes
the doctor certify that he is unfit to have children in odrer to save her from
the ordeal.  Baanupriyaa gets mad and tavels back to Singapore to join her
mother.  The twin sister, a polite and mature girl, tries to persuade her
sister to go back.  Baanupriyaa refuses and the twin travels back to India
pretending to be Baanupriyaa in order to patch up things.

Back once again in India, the twin gets into difficult situations since
Vijayakaanth does not know that his wife is in Singapore.  Things take a
worst turn and the twin bears a child while on a trip to Singapore.  Now
Vijayakaanth's cover is blown as well as the twin's.  In the mean time the
mother tries to get Baanupriyaa married to Naasar, a rich business man in
Singapore.  Vijayakaanth foils Naasar's attempts to abduct Baanupriyaa and
the mother is killed by Vijayakaanth's friend.  All of them return to India
and Vijayakaanth gets mad at the twin for decieving him.  However Baanupriyaa
kills herself in the climax leaving Vijayakaanth with her twin sister and
their baby.

This is a typical K.S.G movie with "ithayaththai pizhiyum kaatchigaL".
Vijayakaanth tries to act!  I am not impressed.  Of course it is my personal
view.
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: The first Kural of Valluvar
Date: 23 Nov 1992 14:45:09 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

       It is my opinion  that Valluvar  is a  Jain
 scholar  and   his work   Thirukkural  itself has 
 many internal evidences in support of this claim.

       I am surprised that a few readers interpret
 the first kuRaL as a  devotional verse  dedicated
 to Siva and Parvathi,  as it is accepted by  many
 scholars  that  the  `Pakavan' in the first KuRaL
 is a Jain god. This first KuRaL  really  supports
 the claim that Valluvar is a Jain poet and claims
 like Adhi and Bhagavan are  Siva and  Parvathi or
 Valluvar's parents are far-fetched.

      I understand that some readers of  this  net 
 may be willing to paint Saiva Siddhantha paint to
 every Tamil work available, but I like to  remind
 them that the contemperory moral works which came
 in the time Thirukkural came, like  "naaladiyaar"
 etc., are Jain works and it is not a  painstaking
 task for one to draw parallels between Kural with
 "naaladiyaar" or other Jain moral works like  the
 "Thirikadugam". There is a  tendency  to  portray
 every Tamil work as a Hinduistic work and we see,
 as a result, Thiruvalluvar  statues  with  sacred 
 ash over his forehead, a  sacred  thread  on  his 
 chest, while Valluvar's religion is debated among
 Tamil scholars. 

     I will write on the contribution of Jainism &
 Buddhism to Tamil literature later. 
 
 S.Pandian
 sp2@cec1.wustl.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:3746 soc.culture.indian:37565
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Indian civilization being oldest
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:24:15 GMT
	<1ee85hINN9n0@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>	You are wring here. The Aryan Invasion Theory has been disproved long
>back, and it has been proved that the Aryans were in fact very much a
>race of ethnic Indians.

Who has disproved it? (besides the BJP speaches)?

-suresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: rst@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (R. Sritharan)
Subject: Re: enRRum anpudan!
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:08:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.060851.28671@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara) writes:
>
>
>In article <1992Nov13.193058.14839@ultb.isc.rit.edu> akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
> writes:
>>In article <fb78.721675994@sol>, fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
>writes:
>>>kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
>>>
>
[ portions deleted ]

Sankarapandi writes:

>Next, merit - rarely merit is a creterion  in the appoinments for the faculty
>positions, leave alone lower jobs.  Most of the faculty members appointed in 
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the last 10-15 years are fit for nothing.  Thier only qualification is being a 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Brahmin.  I wish they look for some meritorious brahmins ateast.  Simlarly the 
 ^^^^^^^
>other non-Brahmin forward communities in the university departments.
>
>I ashamed to tell that I belong to one such forward community and all my 
>relatives are talking nonsense like this.  We dont want to give up our 
>castes.  We need to get married only within our caste.  But we dont want only
>the caste based reservations.  What a double standard ?
>
>S. Sankarapandi

Could you name some educational institutions in India
where one could get a job by virtue of being a Brahmin ?

-- rst
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu)
Subject: Re: thOlvi nilaiyena ninaiththaal manidhan.....
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:52:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.215654.5934@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU> kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar) writes:
>thiraippadam    : Omai vizhikaL
>
>paadiyavar      : P B Seenivas matRum kuzhuvinar
>
>paadalaasiriyar : aabaavaaNan
>
>isai            : manOj-kiyaan / aabaavaaNan
>
>
>thOlvi nilaiyena ninaiththaal manidhan vaazhvai ninaikkalaamaa
>vaazhvai sumai ena ninaiththu thaayin kanavai midhikkalaamaa
>urimai izhanNthOm udamayum izhanNthOm uNarvai izhakkalaamaa
>uNarvai koduththu uyiraai vaLarththa kanavai maRakkalaamaa
>
>thOlvi nilaiyena ninaiththaal manidhan vaazhvai ninaikkalaamaa
>
>vidiyalukkillai thooram vidiyum manadhil innum En paaram
>un nencham muzhuvathum veeram irunNthum kaNNil innum En eeram
>urimai izhanNthOm utamayum izhanNthOm uNarvai izhakkalaamaa
>uNarvai koduththu uyiraai vaLarththa kanavai maRakkalaamaa
>thOlvi nilaiyena ninaiththaal manidhan vaazhvai ninaikkalaamaa
>vaazhvai sumai ena ninaiththu thaayin kanavai midhikkalaamaa
>vidiyalukkillai thooram vidiyum manadhil innum En paaram
>un nencham muzhuvathum veeram irunNthum kaNNil innum En eeram
>
>yuththaNGkaL thOnRattum iraththaNGkal sinNthattum paathai maaRalaamaa
>iraththaththin veppaththil achchaNGkaL vEkattum koLkai saakalaamaa
>urimai izhanNthOm utamayum izhanNthOm uNarvai izhakkalaamaa
>uNarvai kotuththu uyiraai vaLarththa kanavai maRakkalaamaa
>yuththaNGkaL thOnRattum iraththaNGkal sinNthattum paadhai maaRalaamaa
>iraththaththin veppaththil achchaNGkaL vEkattum koLkai saakalaamaa
>
>
>anpudan,
>
>V R Kumar
>-- 
> ----------------------------------------------------
>| V.R.KUMAR, Knowledge-Based Systems Laboratory      |
>| CSIRO Division of Information Technology           |               
>| 6 Giffnock Avenue, North Ryde, NSW 2113, AUSTRALIA |



Thanks for posting the lyrics of this song.  In my opinion, this is
the best song in recent times (ie quite relevent to the Tamils today).

Meenan Vishnu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: ta-rks10@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Rajesh K Sah)
Subject: SPIC-MACAY concert at Columbia UNiversity: Dr. L. Subramaniam
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:47:14 GMT

			 S P I C - M A C A Y

		   at Columbia University presents

      An evening of Indian Classical Music by the violin maestro


			  Dr. L. Subramaniam



				  on

		 20th of November  1992, at 7:00 p.m.
     (PLease be seated fifteen minutes before the concert begins)

				  at

		   Davis Hall, International House
       500 Riverside Drive, New York City (Manhattan), NY 10027


 		(SPIC-MACAY concerts are FREE for all)

    For further information, call (212)-866-1158 or (212)-749-9621

Directions for getting to the venue of the concert:

By Subway:

Take the train # 1 or the #9 and get off at the Columbia University
stop, i.e. 116th Street which leaves you on Broadway. Crossing
Broadway to Riverside Drive, walk north (the street numbers keep
increasing!)  until you come to 500 Riverside Drive.
From: rs6x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ranjith Ravindiran Suresh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Relevance of Satyagraha
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:21:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Yf1ojg_00WBN06ZlQl
	<1992Nov15.231418.2373@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Here are my thoughts on the Indian army:

Indian army helmet:

1. To physically eliminate all oppositions to Delhi within the same
ethnic origin they claim to protect.
 
2. To terrorise and raze brutefully innocent Tamils, Punjabis and Kashmiris.
 
3. To apply state terrorism in foreign soil(Eelam, Bangladesh). 
 
4. To loot money and jewelry from people(Jaffna).
 
5. To kill other leaders(Eelam, Punjab, Kashmir, Tripuati, Nagaland)
without even a trace of respect to human lives.

and more....

6. Violating Geneva Conventions set forth regarding wars in the most
blatant manner possibe:

(a) killing medical personnel(Jaffna General Hospital,1987)
(b) Bombing civilian areas with mortars, shells and bombs(air-raids)
(c) Torture in public view(didn't even bother to hide)
(d) Hundreds of women being raped(Vandthai Bharatham!) Quite a few have
been raped in Kashmir.

7. Forcible recruitment of young boys(12 - 16) to fight their dirty war:
     refer:- Tamil National Army in the last days of IPKF business in
foreign land(Eelam). Clean shaved, given a gun and ordered to fight
their own people.

My dear dear friend, for the above crimes listed, many of your of
so-called stinking leaders from New Delhi deserve to meet the same fate
as Rajiv Gandhi. 

Can you digest what I just wrote? I don't give a damn if you don't. Nuts
like you don't even know what Mahathma Gandhi fought for. Whether you
like it or not, the truth is that the values that were dear to Gandhi
and Neru are dead and buried somewhere deep in Ayodya and in Swiss back
acounts. If you find all this harsh, then go wrap the Indian flag around
you. Then, that would be another crime.

-Thambi
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From: Vijay_Anand@transarc.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telegu
Subject: JOHNSTOWN PA: Help needed for moving in
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:40:21 GMT
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[ Sorry if this is a repeat, I seem to have some mailer problems. ]

Folks,

   My brother will soon be relocating to Johnstown PA to take up a job
there. He would like to hear from some Johnstown folks with whom he
could stay for a few days before finding his own apartment. He doesn't
know anyone in Johnstown at present. He is also interested in sharing an
apartment/house with folks looking for people to share an
apartment/house. He will most likely be moving in before December 1, so
this is kind of urgent. Please send me Email (vijay+@transarc.com) or
call (412) 521-2844 (Pittsburgh) asap.

Much thanks for your help,
Vijay Anand
From: raj@aelle.cs.odu.edu (M. P. Krishna Raj)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Relevance of Satyagraha
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:28:57 GMT
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va

I have to make certain clarifications to my earlier posting.
Satyagraga will work only under conducsive situations. 

Mahatma was successful because the rulers were decent at least followed
some rules and regulations for proper governance. But think about
a situation if the police comes and under the pretext of searching 
and assaults the females.(Gandhi's wife, daughter in laws etc.)

Jalian walla Bagh:  The shooting order was legally issued  and was carried out
by indians only. Again for that enquiry was held and Dyer was properly
admonished. 


Now let us come to incidence that happened in 1969. 

A strike was going on in an industrial city. The workers were going in
procession. The ARP came in dispersed the workers. The worker ran 
everwhere due to latticharge. Worker ran into nearby officer colony.
(As you know officers are part of the management and never participate
in strikes). The ARP who are chasing the workers got into an officers
house under the pretext of searching and rapped the teenaged daughters.
That family nothing to with the strike,  and not  share the political
ideology of the trade unions. It is a typical bramin's house with all
religious indicators. It is a two storied bunglow. There is no chance for
anyone to think that as a worker's quarters. Even if it is worker's 
house no one has the authority to get in to that without a
warrant.  That officer resigned his good job as a matter of self respect. 

My question if he made complaint about that what will happen?



My assertion is Mahatma was successful because his family was never touched.
He went to jail many times. But jails were like ashrams those days. 

In simple terms Satyagraga is successful only against a highly
civilized western society.


Raj
From: fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: kuRaL
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:21:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of North Texas

kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
> aathi and pahavan are not vaLLuvars parents.
>  aathi-first, pahavan-as selva had explained-God;
>  pahavan is someone who does paharthal.


> Kathiravan

Can we say for sure? I mean, are the Kurals not subject to
slightly varying interpretations? What if Valluvar had
his parents in mind? I have attended lectures where such
an interpretation has been given and frankly, do not
see anything wrong with such an interpretation.
 - ganesh
>   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Subject: The day after...
Organization: DSIR, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 19:23:26 GMT

The New Zealand cricket team has abandoned its tour of Sri Lanka before a 
game was played, after bomb deaths close to their hotel. 

As an Anglo married to a Tamil of Sri Lankan descent, I awake to yet another 
day in which I will face questions. 

I must say that I feel immense pride in the dignity and patience of 
my fellow citizens and their forebears in New Zealand, who have sought to 
resolve their deep differences by negotiation for the majority of the ca. 
150 years since colonization. I quote a simple and profound Maori proverb:
--
B Shaw
"He aha te mea nui o te ao? He tangata, he tangata, he tangata".
  'What is the most impotant thing in the world? It is people, it is people,
             it is people'.
From: petera@yoyo.fiu.edu (Ancin Xavier Peter)
Subject: CASTE -- How to get rid of it?
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:26:22 GMT

Hi everybody,
	After reading all the articles about Caste, I decided to express
my opinions on this newsgroup.
	First of all let us stop blaming each other for the caste 
problems. Caste feelings exist in each and every Indian (of course, there 
are exceptions but very few) irrespective of his/her caste. This is not
going to change until everyone takes the initiative to eradicate it.
	Here I express what I feel will be a good first step:

	I feel the marriages within the same community helps propogate the
caste feelings to the next generation. People who have friends from other
castes know that there is no difference between them and their friends because of
the caste. 
	Inter-caste marriage would be the first step in the right direction.
Here I am not talking about the politically-correct marriages. Ask yourself
this question: Have you ever met someone interesting from the opposite sex 
who was from a different caste? If you did, and if you did not do anything about
it, ask why? 
	Only we can make a difference. 

Ancin

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Let us clean the world by cleaning our backyard first.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: raj@aelle.cs.odu.edu (M. P. Krishna Raj)
Subject: What you write in Newsgroups could be used in the court
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:42:16 GMT

>From: disaacs@martha.carleton.ca (Dave Isaacs)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Two die, three hurt in university rampage - Montreal Gazette
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:24:56 GMT


This is from the Montreal Gazette, 25-August-1992

TWO DIE, THREE HURT IN UNIVERSITY RAMPAGE
By Aaron Derfel, Geoff Baker, and Elizabeth Thompson

Montreal- A shooting rampage at Concordia University left two employees dead
and three wounded Monday after a man walked into the university's main 
downtown building with a handgun.

    Police arrested Valery Fabrikant, 52, an associate professor in Concordia's
engineering and computer-science department.  He was questioned by police
before taken to the hospital complaining of chest pains.


       Acting as his own lawyer, Fabrikant asked the court to order Swamy and 
Sankar to remove to remove their names from 35 academic articles he had written
and to notify the jornals that thay had not participated in the work.

    But Judd said the case took a new turn last week when Swamy and Sankar 
decided last week to file charges of contempt of court against Fabrikant.

The charges were based on a number of electronic on a number of Fabrikant's
electronic mail messages.


-------------------The End-------------------




About article was edited to save bandwidth
From: ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara)
Subject: Re: enRRum anpudan!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:08:51 GMT



In article <1992Nov13.193058.14839@ultb.isc.rit.edu> akn8257@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
 writes:
>In article <fb78.721675994@sol>, fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
writes:
>>kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
>>
>>Also, has any body seen any hard data (empirical evidence)
>>as to who have benefited from the TN reservation policies?
>>Has it really gone to the weak and underprivileged? I'm
>>sure some of it has, but surely some of it has gone to
>>privileged people who were able to "produce" appropriate
>>documentation?
>>
>>Just some thoughts. That's all. Personally, I believe that
>>TN has explosive talent that will bloom in a free-enterprise
>>oriented Indian economy, but to take full advantage of it,
>>it has to put its own house in order. Help the disadvantaged,
>>by all means (free education, clothing, meals, additional
>>coaching at the school level etc) enabling them to compete.
>>But penalizing talented children because of "past misdeeds"
>>of a different generation is simply not "pahuththaRivu"!
>>
>>- ganesh
>
>
>It is my belief that reservation system is one of the main reasons
>for our poor work ethics.
>
>- Arun.



Mr. Arun,

What is the basis for this statement.  I totally condemn this attitude either 
as ignorance or arrogance.  It is like questioning the ethics of the lower 
castes.

Please, enlighten me about the ethics prevailing in the so-called meritorious 
institutes like IIT.  I spent 6 years in IITM and I know what is the value for 
ethics and merit.  Except very few professors (you can count), most of them 
waste the time and money of this nation.  They do not spend enough time 
with their researchand they are after earning money by sebbatical leave. They 
have no ethics about the authership in papers, torturing research students, 
sexual harassment.  Sme of them dont  even spend the required amount of time in
the dept.  Some of them eat the project money.  This is the common practice 
with all the governement jobs india.  The upper classes are not different as 
you propose.

Next, merit - rarely merit is a creterion  in the appoinments for the faculty
positions, leave alone lower jobs.  Most of the faculty members appointed in 
the last 10-15 years are fit for nothing.  Thier only qualification is being a 
Brahmin.  I wish they look for some meritorious brahmins ateast.  Simlarly the 
other non-Brahmin forward communities in the university departments.

I ashamed to tell that I belong to one such forward community and all my 
relatives are talking nonsense like this.  We dont want to give up our 
castes.  We need to get married only within our caste.  But we dont want only
the caste based reservations.  What a double standard ?

S. Sankarapandi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
Subject: Re: enRRum anpudan!
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:36:42 GMT

ssankara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sornam Sankara) writes:
>>
>>It is my belief that reservation system is one of the main reasons
>>for our poor work ethics.
>>
>>- Arun.



>Mr. Arun,

>What is the basis for this statement.  I totally condemn this attitude either 
>as ignorance or arrogance.  It is like questioning the ethics of the lower 
>castes.

I think what Arun might have wanted to convey is the "complacency" that
could result from an "entitlement" as opposed to an "earn it" policy.
As for your other comments about the sorry state of affairs at some
of the educational instituions, I still believe that a competitive
environment (where productivity is measured and rewarded) will
cure some of the many ills. - ganesh

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: VaLLuvarrin samayam!!!
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:39:14 GMT

In <1992Nov24.003432.3725@unislc.uucp> tss@unislc.uucp (Srinivasan Thothathri) writes:


>Actually the first KuRaL is a literally parellel to one of the sanskrit
>sloka by Mahakavi Kalidasa in his kavya "Kumara Sambhavam" The sloka is


       kalidasa belongs to a later period. harsha's time I guess.
    kaalidasan's sambavam being parallel to kuRaL makes more logic.
>	Vagharthavibha Samsruktham Vagharthap PrathipathayE
>	JaGathath pitharo vanDe PArvathi Parameshvarum!!


   Kathiravan