HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Offline Readers
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 08:38:02 MST
Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.99

ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Ranfry) writes:

> Look will you people shut up!  I have TOLD you what is needed, forget the 

which is: an offline reader for Usenet - right?

> suggestion of using Waffle, it just wont do.  Never mind the real benefits
> of doing so, BBS users DONT want to do so, end of story.  If you people are
> too stupid to get the point, drop out of this conversation.  Yes, Waffle
> is superior to using a QWK system, but most users, those used to BBSing,

the issue is not that waffle is superior - the issue is that QWK is
_incapable_% of handling the format used by Usenet since before QWK was
invented.  the only way people are using QWK at all with Usenet stuff
is to have special QWK readers which understand Usenet-headers-as-text-
at-the-top-of-the-file or to just send out mangled stuff.  the problems
with the latter are obvious; the problems with the former are the lack
of Usenet-aware QWK readers out there (are there any that do a good job?
are they any at all?) and even if there are five, what's to say your
users are using one?  they can just whine that they want to use the
one they already have installed.

% - incapable in general.  you can force Usenet-awareness onto any reader
you have source for, but then it's incompatible (in some ways) with the
rest of the QWK world.

> don't want to set up a Waffle system, no matter how easy it is.

over and over again, people say: right now, that's just your only option.
Rhys is working on a new offline format for Usenet - do you think he'd have
had to do that (and have people like me debate him in mail about it) if
a (non-uucp/rnews/rmail) solution already existed?

> Except that you analogy is NOT valid.  The cost is NOT the same at all, plus

> how to use another one.  It would be like making every driver get their
> own ferry boat, rather than providing one for all.

can we kill the analogies now, please?  otherwise I'll think one up that
mentions trying to put new wine in old bags.  or is that a gallon of water
in a pint jar?  it'd be a show-stopper - you have been warned :-)

just because you want QWK and Usenet to work together doesn't mean they
have to.  people saying something unpleasant over and over and over again
can sometimes give you a clue that the world isn't yet perfect, or that
the problem you have can't be solved within the specifications you lay out.
-- 
Russell Schulz  russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca  ersys!rschulz  Shad 86c
From: mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: User-Only type documentation
Summary: Newuser painless download of abreviated user.doc file
Keywords: ZMODEM,newuser,docs,help
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 21:52:25 PST
Reply-To: mikey@slic.cts.com
Followup-To: comp.bbs.waffle
Organization: Muth Valley Bell  (619/390-SLIC BBS; V32bis)

mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley) follows-up his own post:

> OK.  I'll clean it up a tad, then uucp it to remote.halcyon.com
> as a single zip file.

This I did.  It's 38K zipped and also available here via:

        mail-server@slic.cts.com

In the body, on a new line enter:

        get pub/waffle/newuser.zip

--
     Mike, WB6WUI   //   INET:  mikey@slic.cts.com   //   GEnie: SLIC
From: bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle icon needed
Keywords: Waffle, Windows, icon
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 11:13:45 EST
Distribution: na
Organization: 1776 Enterprises, Sudbury MA

aesmoot@aescon.com (Art Smoot) writes:
> In <7iRSrAZJBh107h@carlos> carlos@carlos writes:
> >Could anyone out there point out where I could find a suitable
> >"waffle" icon for windows?
> 
> I like my waffles round, like my mom used to make, so here is
> an alternative one.
> 
> begin 666 waffle.ico
[uuencoded icon omitted]

This reminds me of something I've been wondering about: how does one get the
program that reassembles uuencoded files?  Obviously someone can't just mail
you a uuencoded version of the program!  (Well, they could, but what could
you do with it?)  Does someone have it available for nMODEM (n=X,Y,Z,...)
download?  (Actually, in this case I'd settle for downloading the icon.)  :^)

   ___            _                                           -  Bob
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(_/__) (_)_(_)  (___(_)_(/_______________________________________ bob@1776.COM
Robert K. Coe ** 14 Churchill St, Sudbury, Massachusetts 01776 ** 508-443-3265
From: zatar@dadstoy.gbdata.com (Terry Stockdale)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Old XT + Waffle + Fossil + V.32bis = ?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 06:23:39 -0600
Organization: Lots of little files on drive D:

In <LaL7wB1w165w@floor.uucp.risc.net> hp@floor.uucp.risc.net (High Priest) writes:
>jeff@amikoj.rn.com (Jeff Kunce) writes:
>
>> The question: my throughput is peaking at ~1100cps (usually 900-1000). My
>> feed says I should be getting around 1800 cps. What's holding me up?
>> Is it my slow machine? A bad line? Are there magic settings? Should I
>> just be happy with 1k cps? All ideas appreciated...
>
>Well, I would be happy with 1000 cps. I'm currently getting 400-500 cps 
>on a v.32bis connect from my feed. (UNIX machine)
>The admin at my feed says there's nothing he can do, the 'g' protocol is 
>simply too inefficient. Is there anything that I can do?
>450 cps on a 14,400 connect is pathetic.
>
Turnaround time on the old XT is the problem.  I used to feed a waffle
site running on an xt, and similarly had about 450cps connects to him at
v32bis, despite 1100cps v32bis connects to other systems.  When he 
upgraded his motherboard to a 286 (yes, 286), the throughtput went
to 850cps.

-- 
__
"Even if you're on the right track, 
you'll get run over if you don't move."  --Will Rogers.

terry@dadstoy.gbdata.com	Terry Stockdale		Houston, Texas
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: Problem: Abnormal Program Termination when repling to News Posti
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:49:19 GMT

In article <omFXwB4w165w@vsystem.wimsey.bc.ca> rick@vsystem.wimsey.bc.ca (Rick Vandenberg) writes:
|vince_m@wacss.anixter.com (Vince Mammoliti) writes:
|> I have currently, noticed a problem with my waffle setup.
|> 
|> When I try to directly mail to a news posting I get an
|> Abnormal Program Termination
|> (Queued for Internet Delivery)
|
|The problem is most likely not having enough free memory.

You might want to try out "mailq101.zip", available in /pub/waffle/mail on
halcyon.com .

  Bill
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Mail (or Helldiver) BUG
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 20:48:36 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

system@coldbox.cojones.com (Bryan Lockwood) writes:

> Anyhow, today I noticed that sometimes a long mail message will also 
> include the text of the next mail message, appended at the end after 
> three smileyface characters. The next message (same text as that 
> appended to previous one) comes out looking normal.

It's a Waffle buglet.  Waffle uses the start position in mailbox.i to
find the beginning of the mail message, but it looks for "^A^A^A^A" at
the beginning of a line to end the message.

> I have a suspiscion that HellDiver is responsible for this:

I don't use Helldiver, so I can't say for sure.  But the buglet will
show up anytime you recieve a mail message that has no newline at the
end of the file.

This is a little more significant when you re-index a mailbox with
MAKEBOX.  MAKEBOX will also fail to see "^A^A^A^A" unless it's at the
beginning of a line, and will index those two adjacent messages as one.
I've written a mail indexer that doesn't depend on "^A^A^A^A" beginning
a line.  It's included in the mkdigest package.
--
Roy M. Silvernail --  roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu - OR-  cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu
  perl -e '$x = 1/20; print "Just my \$$x! (adjusted for inflation)\n"'
          "Does that not fit in with your plans?"
                      -- Mr Wiggen, of Ironside and Malone (Monty Python)
From: jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Getting Destination & Title from Waffle
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:35:58 GMT
Organization: The little node that could...

system@freds.cojones.com (George W. Hayduke) writes:

> dwrage@ddt-archives.athens.oh.us (David William Wrage) writes:
> 
> > to dell@cojones.com: please consider adding these in your next version.  Ju
>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Tom? What are you doing in Alaska? Could have at least told me.

     Didn't you know? Tom isnt a person, he's a spawned process in the
net.world.biosphere... That's just where he came up for a socket
connection... ;-) (Sorry Tom, couldn't resist....)

                              --J

...From a tiny little node called Eternal!
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: rmail not accepting % hacks
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kennelmeister)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 05:00:52 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)

fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner) writes:

> In article <9aXqwB4w165w@dogbox.acme.gen.nz> dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (Kenn
> |For some reason rmail is doing nasty things to addresses with % hacks in
> |them.

Yes, this is happening from within waffle
I use an Qedit as my console editor though.....

> |Anyone know how to deal with this problem?
> 
> Yes, don't let 4DOS get a hold of it.  Read the section in DOS.DOC entitled
> o  I am running 4DOS or Norton NDOS and addresses with %'s act funny.

Arrrgh! Tripped up by *&^~%@!# NDOS! (Sounds of self-flagellation :-)

Thanks - I installed NDOS about 2 months after upgrading to waffle 1.65
and had completely forgotten about those notes.

Now the next question is how to get NDOS to ignore % hacks, as I don't
particularly want to have to manually set the address when I reply to
an address using them......


--
Alan Brown. (SysAdmin)
dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz                      Palmerston North
Dawghaus BBS -> +64 (6) 357-9245                New Zealand
             "A wet and windy place in the South Pacific"
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: MAKEDIG.ZIP now available.
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 18:37:04 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

> I think you'll find it buried in either bnews or cnews code.  A suggestion
> is offered to keep things backward compatible, if that's even feasible.
> Since not everyone (either manually or in their software) tries to use
> "-- ", then parsing the string for "--" should be valid.  What about
> an either/or routine?

As of today, it will accept "--" or "-- " alone on a line.

> You're doomed, anyway, if someone uses pluses or "*", or ...

I'm not doomed... those folks just want to see the helpfile every time,
that's all.  ;-)

Of course, for them, I added the 'quit' command.
--
Roy M. Silvernail --    [my opinions] "You can't be serious!"
roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu  [get 'em now]   "Sure, I _can_..."
cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu  [send $19.93]        -- me
From: gordon@pinetree.org (Gordon Dewis)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Wild sexpire
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 02:17:12 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Gordon's Pinetree * Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) writes:

> This may be a circumstance of my system, but I just had sexpire.exe run
> amuck on my news spool. It gets kicked off by the scheduler, normally at
> 5am, but somehow it started at 10:30p. I run (ran) it with the -t
> parameter so it would respect /mexp parameters in the forum files, but
> it ignored those completely. Net result, I lost about 20 megs of news
> before I caught it.

This is what you get for not practising safe-sex. <GRIN>

  --G

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From: coneill@polarbear.rahul.net (Chris O'Neill)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Problems with "From " header?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 20:21:31 CST
Organization: Polar Bear Heaven BBS - Rankin Inlet, NWT

walsh@pilgrim.carlisle.ma.us writes:

> I had a similar problem ... it seems that using rmail from the
> command line results in problems with the outgoing mail headers.
> The solution is to include ALL of the header info in the message
> going out, including the From line (as well as the From: line).
> Leave an extra space after your system name, and before the date.

That's strange!  Running rmail from the command line hasn't caused a
problem here.  The problem was with PC-Elm.  Although I checked the
pcelm.rc file until I was seeing crosseyed, I couldn't figure out why
it was inserting a space in the "From " line just before the "!coneill"
so I eventually gave up.

Oh, well!

Chris

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Polar Bear Heaven BBS, Rankin Inlet, NWT | !@#$@^ computer that turned it
coneill@polarbear.rahul.net              | backwards!"       - Anonymous
From: jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Bufu?
Date: 8 Jan 93 04:23:51 GMT
Organization: The little node that could...

pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
> system@coldbox.cojones.com (Bryan Lockwood) writes:
> > pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
> > > Since you're
> > > in charge, it's up to you to decide what cookie submissions may or may
> > > not contain.  Therefore, "bufu" can be loosely translated as "that which
> > > the SYSTEM 0PERAT0R does not allow".
> > Another thing which CANNOT be made into a cookie is the word "bufu" by
> > itself. Try it and see.
> Yes, I've been informed that it also won't accept "oreo" or "list" by
> themselves.  Apparently this is hard-coded into Waffle.  The logic of
> this escapes me.

     Pat, I've seen you around the Waffle scene for about, what, a year or
so, maybe more? For shame.... in all this time, you haven't learned the
golden rule:

                    This is Waffle.  Waffle defies logic.

(lotsa smileys for the humor impaired-- LONG LIVE BUFU!!)

...This has been a public service announcement!
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From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Offline Readers
Date: 5 Jan 1993 19:07:52 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography
NNTP-Posting-Host: skyking.oce.orst.edu

In article <PPwVwB2w165w@twiki.PDX.COM> dalew@twiki.PDX.COM (Dale Weber) writes:
>larry@Birdsong.Suvl.CA.US (Lawrence T. Hardiman) writes:
>> Maybe I miss the point of what you had in mind for an "offline mail and news 
>> reader". If it is not Waffle itself, then what is it?

>  It's something that *users* of a Waffle BBS can use to pack up and allow
>them to download their current mail and news from newsgroups they subscribe
>to.  A lot of people just don't want to go to the trouble of setting up
>Waffle, 

It isn't that hard.

>finding a mail/news feed,

They already have a news/mail feed. If they don't, just who are they
calling to read mail and news online? 

> and polling their host site to pick stuff up.  

They have to call to pick up the offline stuff anyway, and they are
already calling to get it online. Waffle has the capability to poll
automatically, so they will actually have to do LESS "polling".

As additional benefits of running their own Waffle site, they get their
own private address under which they can give accounts to others. They
get their mail and news delivered automatically, preserved on their own
system where they can do with it what they want. They can edit the
headers of mail and news to perform whatever functions that the Waffle
on someone else's system will not allow them to do as mere users.

Offline mail and news readers are a subset of what Waffle already does.
It makes no sense to go into the hardware store and refuse to buy a
prepackaged set of 8 screwdrivers because you only want one when both
cost the same amount.
From: system@freds.cojones.com (George W. Hayduke)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: The woes of ^Z
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 23:23:33 AST
Organization: Radio Free Fredbox

djk@boombox.apana.org.au (David Keegel) writes:

> In <05Jan93014236@miracle.com> phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill) writes:
> ] don't put me down as a "DOS is really great" person: DOS is a
> ] terrible, inefficent OS.
> 
> WRONG!  MS-DOS is a terrible, inefficient program loader.
> 
> (DOS stands for "disk operating system", ie a system for
>  operating disks.  That much it can generally handle.)

Keyword being "generally". Perhaps "rarely" would be more appropriate?

Coupled with a braindead BIOS design, and you have a damned miracle.



      Fred Polsky v1.0, who has been known to handle under George.
            "This is Usenet. Facts are irrelevant here."
 The Fredbox +1 907 344 8437  system@freds.cojones.com  Anchorage, Alaska
Sean "Bandwidth" Ryan's favorite BBS, with lots of neat texts and lunatics.
From: djk@boombox.apana.org.au (David Keegel)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Helldiver Registration
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 20:04:40 +1100
Reply-To: David.Keegel@apana.org.au
Organization: Private site, Melbourne, Australia.

>So consider this an official announcement: registration is $40 in
>Australian currency (ask your bank how to send Oz money).

I know one or two Aussies who haven't registered for Waffle yet.
If *one or two* US people want to do a swap (A$40 for US$30),
you can send me some mail, and I'll see what I can do to save
the hassle of Internation Money Orders, air mail etc.

I *know* I'm going to regret this (I've only got 10M disk free).

-- 
<David.Keegel@apana.org.au>  <werple!tuple!boombox!djk>  Tel: +61 3 593-1460
aka: djk@boombox.apana.org.au, djk@cs.mu.oz.au.  Formerly: djk@bby.com.au.
From: mwallis%saturn@lunacity.com
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: How does WAFFLE detect/call Desqview
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:11:57 GMT
Organization: saturn - (Clan Zen Relay Network) Sunnyvale, CA

tom@salzo.Cary.NC.US (Tom Salzmann) writes:

> Waffle is supposedly desqview aware.  However, it doesn't seem to be using
> the right call to determine if DV is loaded.  Could someone post the code
> used by Waffle to detect DV and then the code to give up the time slice.
> I'd like to see the same code fragments for Windows.  I'm trying to write
> a little TSR that pretends to be DV and then does the OS/2 call to give up
> the time slice.  Thanks.

The complete source code is available from Tom for a measely $120. That
should help immensely with customizing waffle for OS/2. If you send the
resulting code back to Tom, he may even include it in future releases.

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mwallis@saturn.lunacity.com (Michael Wallis)
From: carlos@carlos
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Old XT + Waffle + Fossil + V.32bis = ?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 22:40:21 -0500
Reply-To: carlos@infoserv.com
Organization: Dominguez UseNet, Brooklyn NY, USA

In <LaL7wB1w165w@floor.uucp.risc.net> hp@floor.uucp.risc.net (High Priest) writes:

>Well, I would be happy with 1000 cps. I'm currently getting 400-500 cps 
>on a v.32bis connect from my feed. (UNIX machine)
>The admin at my feed says there's nothing he can do, the 'g' protocol is 
>simply too inefficient. Is there anything that I can do?
>450 cps on a 14,400 connect is pathetic.

At times I peak at 500-600cps, but thats it..

If I would have known this little "fact", I may not have even started
this.. Someone posted here recently a patch to change from "g" to
"G" protocol. Maybe your site supports "G" and you might gain a
speed increase..


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From: rhys@meteor.brisnet.org.au (Rhys Weatherley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Helldiver Registration (was Re: HELLDIVER running with Win-OS2)
Date: 6 Jan 93 08:03:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: meteor.AkXSrAKHBh108h
Reply-To: rhys%meteor@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au
Organization: meteor - Home of Helldiver and UW/PC
X-Newsreader: Helldiver 1.08 (Waffle 1.65)

In <1RkuwB1w165w@berry.Cary.NC.US> pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:

>A commendable position!  But here's a suggestion you may want to
>consider: Go ahead and decide how much you think the registration fee
>will be whenever you start asking for one.  Announce that you are
>accepting pre-registrations from anyone who likes Helldiver sufficiently
>well to want to support its further development.  Those who pre-register
>would automatically become registered users when the time comes.

OK.  I won't mind if people send me money now. :-)

Registered users get notified by e-mail first when new releases are
available - I really can't offer a disk mailing service unfortunately,
and I certainly don't believe in crippleware, requiring registering
to get the full version.  Consider it a donation to the "Rhys Weatherley
disk space, memory and better Helldiver fund". :-)

So consider this an official announcement: registration is $40 in
Australian currency (ask your bank how to send Oz money).  It's around
$30-$35 US I think.  Here's the address:

	Rhys Weatherley
	5 Horizon Drive
	Jamboree Heights  QLD  4074
	Australia

Cheers,

Rhys.

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs,news.software.readers
Subject: Re: .QWK mail reader for Waffle
From: mgjones@apsvax.aps.muohio.edu (Mike Jones)
Date: 7 Jan 93 08:11:34 -0500
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Dale Weber (dalew@twiki.PDX.COM) wrote:
: 
: luciana@rnp.impa.br (Luciana O. Goes Neno) writes:
: 
: > Is there any Internet site from where I could ftp BlueWave? 
: 
:   I don't know.  It will eventually be available here via mail server, but
: isn't at present.  Otherwise you will just have to call a BBS and download
: it.

I had uploaded it to WUARCHIVE, but it was deleted.  I could probably
upload it to SIMTEL if someone hasn't already.  Would be a couple days
before it showed up in the directories, though.

---
Mike "Felix" Jones
mgjones@apsvax.aps.muohio.edu 

              "There are three kinds of lies:  Lies, damned lies,
               and benchmarks." - adapted from Benjamin Disraeli