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From: leonard@telcom.arizona.edu (Aaron Leonard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Why do identical jobs have different accounting s
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:34:39 GMT
Reply-To: Leonard@Arizona.EDU
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona Telecommunications

In article <1992Oct14.233910.9283@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, pjs@euclid.JPL.NASA.GOV (Peter J. Scott)
writes:

| I was profiling a lengthy run using IMON, so I ran it as a batch job
| ten times.  Each batch job was identical: executing the same commands,
| the same programs, reading/writing the same data files.  Yet in the
| accouting stats at the end of the log files, there are variances as
| follows:
| 
| Buffered I/O count ranges from 4623 to 4630
| Direct I/O count ranges from 34008 to 35206

I/O count will vary from run to run depending on such things
as disk fragmentation (fragmentation means more I/Os because
files have more extents, etc.), whether directory files need to
be extended, etc.

| Page faults range from 5973 to 8789
| Peak working set size ranges from 645 to 844

Faulting and working set size will vary from run to run depending
on what else is going on on the system.

If these facts worry you, you might try running your program
under RT-11.  :-)

Best,

Aaron

Aaron Leonard (AL104), <Leonard@Arizona.EDU>
University of Arizona Network Operations, Tucson AZ 85721
|>   If it ain't broke, break it.
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From: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jim Beutel)
Subject: 7000 Base Memory Config
Reply-To: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:42:11 GMT

Hello Gang,

We are presently negotiating with our DEC rep
on the purchase of a 7000 class system. Was 
originally slated to be a 620 now appears to be
a 640..... Anyway, does anybody out there have 
solid system configuration information on the 7000
with respect to MEMORY?  We are being quoted 128 
base mem and buying an additional 128. I thought I 
had heard something to the effect that 7000 should
be shipping with a base of 512. Customer buys anything
above that. HELP..... any info, news, experience,
sister or brother a DEC rep, etc....!

Regards,
Jim


---
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Motorola SPS ASIC            beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com
1300 N. Alma School Rd       Computer Operations 
M/S CH290  AZ50              office:  (602) 821-4967
Chandler, Arizona 85224	     telefax: (602) 821-4963
From: YOUNG@tattoo.cs.widener.edu (Rob Young)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Setting Symbols Via C Program
Date: 14 Oct 1992 19:10:42 GMT
Organization: Widener University Department of Computer Science, Chester PA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tattoo.cs.widener.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1bhmogINN1pc@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:

> 
> Well, I just tried a simple experiment on a VAX 3800.  It took 10 seconds to
> set 10,000 symbols (actually, to set the same symbol 10,000 times), reading 
> the information about the symbol name from a file and calling LIB$SET_SYMBOL.
> It took 13 seconds to do the same thing via 10,000 separate DCL commands.  
> Here's the C program I used:
> 
	-- code deleted --

Not much improvement due to overhead.  I took Hunter's login.mar and created
a .com to interface with it.  Basically it will add or delete a symbol or 
a logical and go and rebuild login.mar via batch.  It's not fancy but it gets 
the job done.  If interested, drop me a line.

			Rob

                                                     young@tattoo.cs.widener.edu
"Even the street fighters over at Sun are concerned when they look at what's
happening with Windows.  They see the way the market works: The users are a
bunch of sheep, and Billy [Gates, Microsoft CEO] is the shepherd"
						-- Maureen O'Gara
						   Unigram-X editor
From: JMCCARTHY@MIS.AVPMI.YORKU.CA (John McCarthy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Q: DECTerm Startup
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:42:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

In order to make life simpler, I would like to minimize the nnumber of manual 
interventions (read keystrokes) required to bring up the various applications 
that I use all the time.

Briefly, I end up having to have 3-4 DECTerms up, with each one then running the 
real application (e.g. DECDesign, TELNET, etc.). Bringing up the DECTerms is no 
problem, but I would like to then have each one execute a command (optimally a 
.COM file), that would issue the DCL commands that are needed.

Does anyone have a way to do this that he/she would be willing to share, or 
should I just become a better typist ? :-)

Thank you,

Yours,

John McCarthy
Manager, Data Administration & Security
York University
(416) 736-2100 ext. 22865
JMCCARTHY@MAPLE.AVPMI.YORKU.CA
From: karin@zach.fit.edu (Karin Nicholson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Help wanter: connecting laserprinter to VLC
Summary: comp.os.vms
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:33:42 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.vms
Distribution: usa
Organization: Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne USA

Hello fellow netters,

I managed to get VMS 5.5-1, DECW$MOTIF 1.1, UCX 2.0 and WordPerfect 5.1
installed on my VAXstation 4000-VLC.  Now, I'd like to attach my NEC
Silentwriter 890 to the system and be able to use it either as itself,
an HP Laserjet+, a Diablo 630 or anything else a VLC can handle.  I do
not know if this can be done, but would be willing to give it a try.

Any and all info on how this can be done, if at all, would be greatly
appreciated.  If anyone has done this successfully, please let me know
what the secrets are.  I would, of course, like to be able to print to
the Silentwriter from WordPerfect.

Thanks in advance!

-- 

 .-.|     |    |     | |    /------------------\   Karin Nicholson
 |  |-..-.|/.-.|-..-.|*|/  < karin@zach.fit.edu >  VAX Sys Mgr @ Florida Tech 
 `-'| |`-'|\`-'| |`-'|||\   \------------------/   Florida Space Coast LUG Chair
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From: CADS_COLE@GALLUA.BITNET (Kevin Cole; Washington DC)
Subject: Re: How much to charge for CPU time?
Organization: Gallaudet Research Institute
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:54:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.112852.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, welchb@woods.ulowell.edu
writes: 

> Some years ago there was at an Air Force study on the subject, if not across
> all military services. 

Well, if the military studied it, it's GOTTA be a stupid question.  ;-)
(Sorry, I couldn't help it.  I'm feeling radically liberal today.)
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From: mahendra@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: LPS20 prints, stalls and reprints. A mystery!!
Date: 12 OCT 92 22:05:54 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada


Hello netters:

    We have an LPS Turbo 20 on our DECnet network. The controlling host
    has VMS 5.4-2 and LPS 4.1-16. There are execution queues LPS20, and
    generic queues LPS20_PS (for postcript) and LPS20_ANSI (for ANSI text
    files).

    And, here is the problem:

    When printing any type of file to the LPS20, 

    (1) the file gets printed in its entirety,

    (2) the queue stalls and we get a message at the console saying "the
        LPS20 has stalled",

    (3) the job gets pushed back to the generic queue, 

    (4) and then, to everyone's dismay, the job restarts from the
        BEGINNING!

    We don't know what causes this behavior. The local DEC office has
    replaced the CPU module in the LPS20, and has upgraded the LPS host
    software with a pre-release version. But, the problem still remains!

    Has anybody seen this? Is there something that we are not doing
    right? Must be! But, I can't think of any. Please help as this
    new printer is just sitting there and everyone is anxious to use it.

    Thanks.

    -- mahendra (A. Mahendra Rajah :: Mahendra @ Meena.CC.URegina.CA)
       System Manager, Dept of Computing Services, University of Regina,
       Regina, Sask., Canada.
From: MRL@PFC.MIT.EDU (Mark London)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Need help with DCX routines.
Date: 11 Oct 92 04:10:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

I was interested in trying to use the DCX$ routines to see how good a job they
do in compressing text and how long they take.  I took home the pages of the
examples from the manual and typed in the compression code.  However, every
file that I use as input creates an output file which is identical to the input
file.  Any idea what I might be doing wrong, or can someone send me some sample
compression code which uses those routines?  Thanks.
 
Mark
From: drumm@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Danny)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Color Changer
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:45:12 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire




There should be one.


I've been looking for a color changer for already open terminal windows.
It should be simple, and it should be out there.  I just can't find it!

help!


-- Dan
drumm@uwec.edu
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From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: The [continuing] Posix debate
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:31:52 GMT
Organization: Curtin University of Technology

In article <01GPTJA7YVW40009ET@XRT.UPENN.EDU>, BUHLE@XRT.UPENN.EDU ("E. Loren Buhle, Jr. [-662-3084]", 215) writes:
...
> IEEE is a "de jure" standards organization. Attendees at this meeting write the 
> standards. Anyone belonging to the IEEE Computer Soc. and a few other 
> organizations can come a help. Frankly, I'd be happy with any warm body with 
> knowledge to contribute. Once the draft is written, it goes out to the public 
> for ballot. This is where YOU, the USER/DEVELOPER/INTERESTED_PARTY get to 
> argue, bitch, change what is there. This takes time. Between the writing and 
> balloting, it can take a few years. If you write a standard in 6months that is 

It would be interesting to compare this to with the RFC process.

>>In summary, I agree with every point you make about Posix and Open systems
>>being a generally 'good' thing. I agree that if you want speed, you want
>>to write non-portable code to the hardware, and if you want portability
>>you write potentionally less-efficient code to standards, and if you want
>>both, you write potentionally less-efficient code to standards and wait for
>>the next generation of hardware to get faster. :-)
>>

I would be intersted to see a non-decreaseing monotonic function implemented
to POSIX standard that had 'standard' behaviour on *ANY* hardware.

> A favorite example of standards is the automobile. Assuming I am in the USA, 
> when I rent a car I know how to operate it. I know what to do with the steering 
> wheel, gear shift (though there may be some optional gears), etc. But the 
> "vendor implementation defined features" such as where are the blasted 
> lights/windshield switches (which are present according to the standard). Then 
> there are the options, like the sound system. etc. 
> 

There is a huge hand-wave here. I will leave it as an excersize for the reader
imagine the average US driver with a STANDARD 5-speed shift patten on a busy
city street!! For an *END USER*, it is even worse. Much of the noise I have seen
is predicated on the ability to move from one machine to another. So, how do I
run my fully posix complient, no vendor optional features, Vax application
on my fully posix complient, no vendor options, PC?

~Paul
From: anos@elmrd6.ineab.ikea.se
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Broadcast problems on LAT
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:56:08 GMT
Organization: IKEA Northern Europe AB


 Probably a FAQ again, but here we go ...

 Shutdown messages are raining over our LAT-connected printers, even though
 the LTAxx ports AND the server ports are setup with Broadcast disabled. I
 am pretty sure that I have missed something, so please inform me. 

 (I can't find the answer in TFM, so no flames please !!!)

 I have NOT tried to disable broadcast for the complete server, since this
 would mean that "normal" users wont get the message ...

 /Anders
 
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From: RABINOWITZ@BEAR.COM (Ari)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Q: DECTerm Startup
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:38:10 GMT
Organization: BEAR STEARNS & CO.
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <9210091921.AA17774@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> CAFFEEC@leia.polaroid.com writes:
Cameron Caffee writes :
> John McCarthy writes :
 
> >In order to make life simpler, I would like to minimize the nnumber of manual 
> >interventions (read keystrokes) required to bring up the various applications 
> >that I use all the time.
 
> Running applications remotely requires a few more pieces of the puzzle to
> be in place but is none the less possible :

[Useful security reminder and how to start the remote COM file deleted]

> $!
> $!	Create remote application
> $!
> $ remote_node = f$trnlnm("SYS$REM_NODE","LNM$JOB")	! remote node
> $ nodename    = f$getsyi("nodename")                    ! local node
> $ msg := write sys$output
> $ if remote_node .eqs. "" then goto local_init
> $ goto do_term
> $local_init:
> $ if p1 .eqs. ""
> $ then
> $	msg "Remote node name (p1) missing ..."
> $	goto theend
> $ endif
> $ remote_node = p1 + "::"
> $do_term:
> $ set display/create/user_mode/node='remote_node'/screen=0	! 0/1 
> $!
> $!+
> $!+ 	This creates a DECterm running a std application
> $!+
> $ create/terminal -
> 	/window_attributes=(icon_name="''nodename'",-
> 			    title="''nodename'") -
> 	monitor process/topcpu
> $theend:
> $ exit

This unfortunately does not always work.  You are now running the
application in the context of a NETWORK job, not an interactive job.

My users have many jobs which must be run interactively, and now that I
am giving them X-terminals in place of VaxStations I am running into
this problem.  I have no problems running procedures on the Vax which
their Session Manager is running on, but to create an INTERACTIVE
decterm running a particular application on a remote node is more
difficult.  I have yet to find a way to do it, other than to create a
local decterm and then do a set host within a command procedure which
has

USERNAME/COM=[command file to run]
PASSWORD

as input to the decterm.  I have successfully done this from
VAxStations, though I never liked it, but I am reluctant to do it on our
big Vax servers, where I would have to create a file with the user's
password in it.

Does anyone know a way to start an interactive Decterm on a remote
machine and have it run an interactive COM file?


Ari Rabinowitz                  rabinowitz@bear.com for VMS and personal mail
WorkStation Administrator	ari@bear.com for sun/HP Un*x mail
Bear Stearns
From: NAT@drao.nrc.ca (Natalie Prowse)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Motif on one node in a Cluster?
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:28:49 GMT
Organization: I'm Never organized!  Just ask anyone who knows me...
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11



A question about Motif today... We are currently running DECWindows.  I have a
license for Motif for one node in our 4 node Vaxcluster, (my VLC :-).  The
cluster is an LAVc with a central boot node.  We have no other workstations
which use DECWindows on the cluster,  though we do run Pathworks, and the PCs
often use the boot node to host their PC-DECWindows sessions.  Is it possible to
install Motif in SYS$SPECIFIC for just one machine (my VLC)?  Currently, all
the decwindows directories are in sys$common
(DECW$BOOK.DIR,DECW$DEFAULTS.DIR,DECW$INCLUDE.DIR).  And the executables are in
sys$common:[sysexe].  If I installed it on the boot node, (in sys$common) how
would that affect PC users trying to run PC-DECWindows?

And a related question for a friend who wishes to install Motif cluser-wide
on his system:  If I install Motif, will all my applications which use 
PC-DECWindows (DWDOS?) run under Motif?
  
Many thanks,
 -Natalie Prowse  (nat@drao.nrc.ca)
From: FZC@CU.NIH.GOV ("Message Center")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Digital Reports US $260 M Loss
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:40:23 GMT
Reply-To: Tdarcos@Mcimail.com
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Digital Reports Loss of $260.5 million
(Washington Post, Oct 15, Page D11)

{Profits Up for Several Other Major Firms}
From News Services

   Digital Equipment Corp., said yesterday it lost $260.5 million in
its most recent quarter, showing the strains of a computer company
trying to dramatically change directions in a sluggish economy.
   But several other major corporations reporting third-quarter
earnings yesterday-including Coca-Cola Co., TRW Inc. and CBS Inc. -
posted stronger profits despite the weak environment in what some
analysts saw as a generally satisfactory battery of profit reports.
   Digital's loss, bigger than some analysts expected, continued a
string on disappointing news from the nation's second-largest
computer maker.
   Sales during the three-month period totalled $3.3 billion, up
slightly from $3.29 billion in the same period last year.  The
period, which ended Sept. 26, is Digital's first fiscal quarter.
   In the fiscal year that ended in June, Digital lost nearly $2.8
billion.  That included a hefty one-time charge to pay for thousands
of job cuts.
   Digital, based in Maynard, Mass., said it cut 5,300 jobs during
the first fiscal quarter, reducing its work force to 108,500, and
officials said they expect the company to slash even more jobs this
quarter.
   During its first fiscal quarter last year, Digital earned $11.6
million on its operations.  But it reduced its earnings by $485
million to cover accounting changes for retirement benefits.  That
left it with a net loss for the quarter of $473.8 million.

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From: sys_jpf@xrd.chee.uh.edu (Joseph Formica)
Subject: HELP! Tape transfer from PDP to VAX
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston, Chemical Engineering Department
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:54:00 GMT


I have a MicroPDP 11/73 running RSX11M and having a TK50 drive.
I know very little about RSX, quite a bit more about VMS.
I was hoping to simply BACKUP my files to TK50 on the PDP and restore 
  them on the VAX. Success has eluded me.
BACKUP on the PDP-side seems to work OK (everything verifies, no errors).
I cannot get the saveset off of tape on the VAX-side, however.

I've tried MOUNTing the tape FILE11 and COPYing the saveset--no luck.
It goes out and creates a file as large as my hard disk, then dies.
I've tried MOUNTing the tape FOREIGN and using BACKUP--no luck.
I get an error about the tape not being standard ANSI.
I've tried my luck with EXCHANGE, and its been all bad.

When I had the tape mounted FILES11, I did a

$ dump/header/block=count:0 mka500:[000000]*.

Dump of file MKA500:[]"DU0RAW.BCK".;1 on 10-OCT-1992 13:49:44.68

                             File Header

Header area
    Identification area offset:           23
    Map area offset:                      166
    File identification:                  (1,1)
    Structure level and version:          1, 1
    File owner UIC:                       [SYSTEM]
    File protection:                      S:RWED, O:RWED, G:RWED, W:RWED
    File characteristics:                  none specified
    VAX-11 RMS attributes
        Record type:                      Undefined
        File organization:                Sequential
        Record attributes:                Non-spanned
        Record size:                      4144
        Highest block:                    0
        End of file block:                0
        End of file byte:                 0
        Bucket size:                      0
        Fixed control area size:          0
        Maximum record size:              4144
        Default extension size:           0
        Global buffer count:              0
        Directory version limit:          0

Identification area
    File name:                            DU0RAW.BCK;1
    Revision number:                      0
    Revision date:                         none specified
    Creation date:                         none specified
    Expiration date:                       none specified

Map area
     Extension segment number:            0
     Extension file identification:       (0,0,0)
     Retrieval pointer count size:        1
     Retrieval pointer LBN size:          3
     Map area words in use:               0
     Map area words available:            84
     Retrieval pointers

Checksum:                                 64314

Well, DU0RAW.BCK IS THE NAME I GAVE THE SAVESET ON THE PDP.
I'M A LITTLE UNCERTAIN ABOUT THE "" IN MKA500:[]"DU0RAW.BCK".;1
Is there any hope for what I am trying to do?
Comments and suggestions are greatly appreciated. 

Joe Formica
FORMICA@UH.EDU

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: pjs@euclid.JPL.NASA.GOV (Peter J. Scott)
Subject: Re: Why do identical jobs have different accounting stats?
Reply-To: pjs@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:30:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.233910.9283@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, I wrote:

> I was profiling a lengthy run using IMON, so I ran it as a batch job
> ten times.  Each batch job was identical: executing the same commands,
> the same programs, reading/writing the same data files.  Yet in the
> accouting stats at the end of the log files, there are variances as
> follows:
> 
> Buffered I/O count ranges from 4623 to 4630
> Direct I/O count ranges from 34008 to 35206
> Page faults range from 5973 to 8789
> Peak working set size ranges from 645 to 844
>[...]

I'd like to thank the people who responded by various means,
all of whom contributed valuable information.  The consensus appears
to be that differences in I/O counts were caused by differing
states of fragmentation on the disk, or similiar such things. 

Here's an interesting sidebar to this: I just ran the same job with 
PSWAPM and setting /NOSWAPPING on the process.  The page fault count
zoomed up to 9891.  The other stats were not improved.  Seems odd to
me, does this just mean that the program's memory usage is actually
fairly small and so wasn't being swapped anyway?  The higher page fault
count is just coincidence?

-- 
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