HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: m16302@mwvm.mitre.org (Robert Shain)
Subject: Disenrollment
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:09:50 GMT

         Please disenroll me.  Thanks.
*
*        Bob
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400
From: dank@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Daniel R. Kegel)
Subject: Re: Country codes; is more info available?
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:50:09 GMT

Daniel.Karrenberg@ripe.net (Daniel Karrenberg) writes:
>  > Perhaps you mean ISO 3166:1988. This standard defines 2 and 3 letter
>  > codes and a numeric code for each country (e.g. DE, DEU and 276 for Germany
>A fairly up to date copy of ISO3166 including ammendements can be found at
>ftp.ripe.net:ripe/docs/iso3166-codes.

This document does look up to date.  BTW, is there a document listing
latitude and longitude for all of these countries?
I would like to build a geographical distance measure that uses
country names as input.
- Dan Kegel (dank@cco.caltech.edu)
Xref: sparky comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ:197 comp.protocols.misc:676 comp.protocols.iso:1110
From: shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ,comp.protocols.misc,comp.protocols.iso
Subject: Re: ISODE for MS/DOS?
Followup-To: comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:16:00 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville--Dept. of Computer Science
Distribution: world
Expires: 30 Nov 1992 23:24:25 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu
Summary: archive of messages may be consulted
Keywords: ISODE, MS-DOS, archive, FTP


If one were to use anonymous FTP to retrieve the ISODE archive file
"isode.mail" from the directory /pub/internetworking on CS.UTK.EDU
(128.169.201.1), one could glean the information that

>    ISODE v8.0 ports for MS-DOS, Macintoshes and VAX/VMS are available
>    for anonymous FTP from cc-vms1.massey.ac.nz (130.123.1.4)
>    Please read the relevant ...readme file before transferring large
>    amounts!  .... Peter Kay

and

>    Get the stuff from archie.au under projects/directory_services which
>    whilst being in Australia is reached by 256k+ links, much much better 
>    than NZ.

This archive of ISODE messages, and another of QUIPU messages, at
CS.UTK.EDU were put there for the benefit of students in a class
taught at the University of Tennessee by Dr. Jeff Case (yes, the SNMP
guy), but other folks are welcome to use it until it disappears for
lack of disk space.  (There is a chance that someone else may take
over these files.  If this occurs, some announcement will appear here.)


-- 
 ....Richard S. Shuford  | "A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge,
 ....shuford@cs.utk.edu  |  but the simple keep going and suffer for it."
 ....BIX: richard        |  Proverbs 22:3 NIV
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ
From: mishra@tuvie.can.ac.at (Prakash Mishra)
Subject: Decnet phase V and phase IV for X.25 (x29login for ISODE FTAM v 7.0)
Summary: Help !
Keywords: X.25,DECNET V , DECNET IV, ISODE-FTAM 7.0
Organization: Center of Academic Networking, Vienna, Austria
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 07:24:48 GMT

Hi There!

The installation of X.25 software on DECNET V for Ultrix was not a problem. But
some thing is going awry. If we try to have a x29login to a DECNET phase IV machine it is not possible. It works otherway around without any problem.

However, if we just open a x29login from a Phase IV machine to Phase V machine
the x29login from the DECNET phase V to phase IV starts fuctioning suddenly!

We have on one machine DECNET Phase V for Ultrix and on the other DECNET Phase 
IV for VMS.

It is not possible to go around this DECNET Phase IV machine for us as this 
machine is the one connecting us to the X.25 SWITCH.

Is it possible to still communicate with x29login without having the dummy loginfrom the Phase IV to Phase V?

Without this dummy login if we try for a x29login from the ultrix machine (phaseV) the error message is following:

ERR x29login:Call not established
             Call cleared - protocol failure!


Thanks for any help in advance!!!!!

-Mishra 


-- 
|~~~~| MISHRA Prakash Chandra
|    | Centre of Academic Networking                  Tel: +43 1 58801 x-3621
|    | Technical University, Vienna             email: mishra@tuvie.can.ac.at 
|    | ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ
From: eric@sfu.ca (Eric Kolotyluk)
Subject: Problems Installing ISODE-8.0
Reply-To: eric@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:33:35 GMT


I recently installed ISODE-8.0 but I can't seem to keep the tsapd running.
I changed the $(ETCDIR)isotailor file to display all messages for tsap and
then ran the test suite a la ./make test.  Here are the results

aquarius# /net/archive/isode/etc/tsapd
starting
listening on Internet=+102
T-CONNECT.INDICATION: <5, Internet=134.87.60.57+1178,  
'0206'H/Internet=134.87.60.57+102, 0, 2041>
starting
unable to determine community for aquarius
A-ASSOCIATE.INDICATION: <5, "isode miscellany", <,,,>, <1.17.4.0.8,,,>, 0>
RO-INVOKE.INDICATION/5: utcTime
A-RELEASE.INDICATION/5: 0
aquarius# /usr/sunlink/osi/etc/osirstat -n | grep ^DA
/usr/sunlink/osi/etc/osirstat: Command not found.
aquarius#

I applogise if I've overlooked something simple in the configuration, but I've
gone over the installation instructions several times and nothing obvious pops
out.  If anyone has some helpful comments I'd appreciate it.  Please replay
to eric@sfu.ca.

I'm particularly puzzled by the message "unable to determine community for
aquarius" (which does not get displayed when there is no $(ETCDIR)isotailor
file present.
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ
From: luiki@tuvie.can.ac.at (Mario Luiki)
Subject: Problems with ISODE-7.0-FTAM over DEC X.25 ULTRIX 4.2
Organization: Center of Academic Networking, Vienna, Austria
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:52:02 GMT

Hi everywhere,
We are running ISODE-7.0 FTAM on a Micro Vax II under ULTRIX 4.2 and
DECNet Phase 5.0
Additionally we installed DEC X.25 for ULTRIX. Now we have the problem,
that we cannot establish FTAM connections over X.25, although it works
over TCP/IP. The error messages we receive in our log-files sound as:

"7519.spkt:
  TAsynConnRequest: Invalid parameter [no supported NSAP addresses in, nor known TSBridges for, called ]"

Can anybody tell us the reason of this deficiency and how to fix it?
In which files does one have to declare TSAP, PSAP and SSAP selectors,
which are needed by FTAM to address remote SAPs. Which entries does one
have to make in the ISODE-database to be able to establish a connection
to an other FTAM server over X.25?

Please email, I'll summarize for the newsgroup.
Thanks a lot in advance,

---

    /|  /|   Mario Luiki		      email: luiki@acosi.can.ac.at
   / | / |   Centre of Academic Networking    phone:      +43 1 58801 3621
  /  |/  |
 /   |   |          Gusshausstrasse 25
/    |   |__/       A-1040 Vienna, AUSTRIA
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ
From: wolf@Sirius.dfn.de (Frieder Wolf)
Subject: ISODE for MS/DOS?
Summary: Who has MS/Dos- ISODE
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 08:25:56 GMT
Organization: DFN-GS
Keywords: ISODE, MS/DOS

3 month ago someone writes about  the availability of
ISODE for MS/DOS, Mac and some other. 
Now I need this information, but I can't remember for the
details. (Filestore location and so on).
Who can help me with this information?
Please mailing to wolf@dfn.dbp.de  .

Frieder Wolf
DFN-Verein
Pariser Str.44
1000 Berlin 15
Germany

Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
From: sp_pm@space.alcbel.be (Paul Moore)
Subject: Wanted: Comments about CCSDS space-link communications protocols
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 13:28:25 +0200
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X-To: comp.protocols.iso.usenet

Hello,

Has anyone implemented or used the CCSDS space-link protocols for 
Advanced Orbiting Systems, Networks, and Data Links, as specified in 
the CCSDS specification 701.0-B-1?

Please email comments/status, as I don't have a direct news feed.

Regards,
- Paul

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smail: Paul Moore,                     email: sp_pm@space.alcbel.be
       Alcatel Bell Telephone,
       Space Systems Dept. TS664,      phone: (+32) 3/829.5024
       Berkenrodelei 33,
       2660 Hoboken,
       Belgium.
From: SURU@TWNMOE10.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
Subject: node of OSINET
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:42:12 GMT
Organization: Ministry of Education, Computer Center NETNEWS system V2.3

Dear Netter,

    We have both BITNET and Internet connections to U.S. and I'd
like to know if we can also be a node of OSINET? I am not sure what
software or hardware component we need to connect to this
international network. Any information will be very much appreciated.

Regards,  --Liu
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
From: mskuhn@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Markus Kuhn)
Subject: Re: wanted: X protocol in ASN.1
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 09:42:29 GMT
Keywords: ASN.1 X

bagwill@swe.ncsl.nist.gov (Bob &) writes:

>Has someone defined the X protocol in ASN.1?  Does anyone have a
>point-of-contact for the OSI group working on integrating X as an OSI
>application protocol?  Thanks.

You might be interessted in the following article:

Rita Brennan, Kevin Thompson, Rick Wilder: Mapping the X Window onto
OSI Standards, IEEE Network Magazine, May 1991.

It describes the work of ANSI commitee X3H3.6 and ISO JTC/SC21&SC24
on this. The X Protocol is above ACSE and presentation in this proposal.
It is not ASN.1/BER encoded. They use the normal X bitstream as the
presentation syntax. Nothing prevents you from using other presentation
syntaxes then ASN.1/BER in OSI. That's why there is a presentation
syntax negogiation in the presentation layer.

Markus

---
Markus Kuhn, Computer Science student -=-=- University of Erlangen, Germany
Internet: mskuhn@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de  |  X.500 entry available
-A distributed system is one in which the failure of a computer you didn't-
-even know existed can render your own computer unusable. (Leslie Lamport)-
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
From: Praveen.Gupta@ap.mchp.sni.de ()
Subject: Address Synchronisation (X.400 <-> other e-mail sys.)
Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG, Munich
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 14:31:11 GMT

Hello,

I am looking at a directory export-Import / directory exchange solution
between X.500 (used as addressBook for X.400 O/R addresses) and other
e-mail systems, particularly:

	Banyan Mail	MS-Mail		Novell-MHS
	OCP Mail	Office Vision	Verimation MEMO
	DEC All-in-One	CC:Mail

X.500 directory is desired to be a Global AddressBook. Other e-mail systems
will exchange e-mail addresses with X.500 directory at a time it is set for.
This means directories all updated at a set time automatically. 

I wants to know about all the vendors which provide such a solution (with 
contact person). I, also, want to know about the gateway support which each 
of the above packages provide for gateway functions.

Is there any standard available regarding address mapping between O/R addresses
and other e-mail address domains ?

Kindly help me by mailing information at:

	Praveen.Gupta@sniap.mchp.sni.de


Bye for now & cheers

Praveen Gupta

Siemens Information Systems Ltd (subsidary of SNI)
Ph: +49-89-636-41094

Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
From: tain@wrench.bae.bellcore.com (Tai Nguyen)
Subject: Re: Re:
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 21:23:41 GMT

In article <86010003@hpcndaw.CND.HP.COM>, mds@hpcndaw.CND.HP.COM (Mark Smith) writes:
|> Thanks to Bancroft Scott who sent me the following reply. I posted it
|> in case anyone else was interested.
|> 
|> Mark smith
|> 
|> 
|> >I'm trying to understand section 24.6 of ISO/IEC 8824:1990 regarding
|> >distinct identifiers.
|> >
|> >Given the following definitions:
|> >
|> >T1 ::= SEQUENCE {   X1,
|> >		  b BOOLEAN
|> >		}
|> >
|> >X1 ::= CHOICE { y INTEGER, z REAL }
|> >
|> >Would the identifiers for T1 be: y, z, b ??
|> 
|> No.  The only identifier for T1 is b, but y and z are visible to
|> T1 because X1 does not have an identifier.  In effect, this means
|> that when creating a value reference, you will not be able to
|> distinguish whether y and z were defined in T1 or in X1.  

I think you can distinguish whether y and z were defined in T1 or in X1 
because the value syntax of CHOICE type is different than that of SEQUENCE
type. For example, t1 T1 ::= { y:123, b TRUE }

______________________________________________________________________________
Tai Nguyen				Email: ...!bae.bellcore.com!tain
Bell Communication Research 		Phone: (908) 699-7934
444 Hoes Lane Room RRC 1B210
Piscataway NJ, 08854
From: J.Crowcroft@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Jon Crowcroft)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
Subject: Re: good book introducing OSI for novices
Date: 10 Sep 92 08:40:39 GMT


 >>    I am a user of TCP/IP and we'll have an connection to the OSI
 >>world. Douglas Comer wrote a wonderful book introducing TCP/IP.
 >>Is there any good book introducing OSI for novices. Thanks.

yes, 
Data Communications Computer Networks and Open Systems, by Fred
Halsall
Addison Wesley, 
make sure you get the 3rd edition (1992)
ISBN 0 201 56506 4
 
its very clear, very up to date, un-partisan and yopu can even get the
overhead transparencies

for a more implementation oriented book (but assumes a lot of
pre-knowledge) the Open Book by mtr is the best
as mentioned by others

 jon
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
From: h_hotz@srzts204 (3.943 Hotz Herbert)
Subject: Monthly FAQ
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Alcatel STR AG Switzerland
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:31:00 GMT

I would appreciate a monlthly FAQ with topics like ASN.1, CMIP/CMISE as well
as X.400 and X.500 very much!

Herbert Hotz (3.943) | Tel: +41-1-465 2249                 Fax: +41-1-465 3525 |
Alcatel STR AG       | INTERNET: herbert.hotz@alcatel.arcom.ch                 |
Friesenbergstr. 75   | X.25:     PSI%4795123920::H_HOTZ                        |
CH 8055 Zurich       | X.400:    C=ch ADMD=arcom PRMD=alcatel S=hotz G=herbert |
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso,alt.security
From: "Jon \\lnes" <jon@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Overview of security standards activity
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:18:41 GMT
Originator: jon@gode.ifi.uio.no

Some days ago I posted a request for an overview of current standardisation
efforts on security. Since a few people sent me mail asking me to forward
them the results of my query, I thought the problem to be of general enough
interest for an answer to be posted as well.
Two kind souls independently pointed me to "Guide to Open Systems Security",
a draft document from ISO/IEC JTC1/SC21/WG1. The overview I was looking for,
is presented here. My version of this document is dated 1992-02-27, with
reference ISO/IEC JTC1/SC21 N-6765. However, I guess newer versions exist,
perhaps as an output document from the SC21 meeting in Ottawa last May.
The document should be available from your "local" standards body.

Jon Oelnes, Norwegian Computing Centre, Oslo, Norway
E-mail: Jon.Olnes@nr.no
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
From: brendan@us-es.sel.de (Dalton)
Subject: OSI conformance tests (SUMMARY)
Organization: SEL-Alcatel LTS Dept. US/ES
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 09:40:56 GMT

I wrote:
|> Does anyone know where I might get information on
|> OSI conformance tests for ASN1 encoders/decoders.
|> 
|> If you have any information related to this, I'd
|> very much appreciate it.

A number of people have asked me for a summary. Here it is:

I got no information on this topic.

If anyone has any, it's not too late.

-- 
Brendan J. Dalton (brendan@us-es.sel.de)
----------------------------------------
From: mas@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Mark Stubley)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
Subject: Alliance OSI - opinions wanted
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:20:43 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Birmingham, England



I am currently looking into procurement of OSI products and wish to
find other peoples views on the SAIC Alliance OSI product range (otherwise
known as the Touch or Marbens product). My special area of interest is
the Network Management Toolkit product. Any evidence of interworking
with other OSI platforms would be of special interest.

I would also be grateful for any views on the after sales support
provided (especially for European users).

Please E-mail me any replies.

Thanks in advance

Mark


--
===========================================================================
Mark A. Stubley                                     (mas@fulcrum.bt.co.uk)
===========================================================================
Fulcrum communications L.T.D., Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5LD, ENGLAND.
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
From: mpeters@pax.eunet.ch (MBX Michael Peters)
Subject: a quick ques..
Organization: EUnet Login/Mailbox Service
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 20:30:16 GMT


Probably not the place to do this, but..

I want to (er.. somebody I know want's to..) send via Fidonet here, in CH,
to someone in the US. Does anyone know how to do this?? Or, perhaps tell me
(just a hint will do..) which group I should have posted this question to in
 the first place. Something.mail.something I imagine..
 
nx.

mike.

---
mpeters@pax.eunet.ch           Ack! - Bill the Cat
Michalel C. Peters
From: sklower@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Keith Sklower)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
Subject: Re: Connectionless Transport Protocol
Keywords: CLTP
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:50:29 GMT
Organization: /etc/organizaton

In article <1992Sep9.004136.17467@erg.sri.com> klaseen@erg.sri.com (Elin L. Klaseen) writes:
}Does anyone out there have an ISO transport stack that includes the 
}connectionless transport protocol (CLTP) ...  any platform (486, HP, SGI, etc.)

The Reno release of berkeley Unix had an impementation of CLTP.
The source code is still available via anonymous ftp on ftp.uu.net.
We run it internally on HP 9000/3xx machines, and microvaxes,
and BSDI has shipped it on 386,486 boxes.

I believe it is available on UNICOS and if it isn't in AIX, could be
added easily.  (The CLNP was jointly developed by UWisc and IBM).
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
From: bkronhei@opencon.com (Bill Kronheim)
Subject: Re: good book introducing OSI for novices
Organization: OpenCon Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:41:10 GMT

In article <92252.094435SURU@TWNMOE10.BITNET> <SURU@TWNMOE10.BITNET> writes:
>Dear Netter,
>
>    I am a user of TCP/IP and we'll have an connection to the OSI
>world. Douglas Comer wrote a wonderful book introducing TCP/IP.
>Is there any good book introducing OSI for novices. Thanks.
>
>Regards,  --Liu

  There are a few good books on OSI. Try Implementing OSI Networks (Gerald Cole), Handbook of Computer Communications Standards (Stallings), and OSI Model for Computer Communication Standards (Uyless Black).


		     Good Luck,........Bill
From: klaseen@erg.sri.com (Elin L. Klaseen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
Subject: Connectionless Transport Protocol
Keywords: CLTP
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:41:36 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

Does anyone out there have an ISO transport stack that includes the 
connectionless transport protocol (CLTP)? We currently are using the the 
SunNet OSI stack on Suns, but so far this product does not include CLTP.
Does anyone have or know of a CLTP running on any platform (486, HP, SGI, etc.)
? If so, please contact me.

Thanks,

Elin Klaseen
Research Engineer
SRI Int'l
333 Ravenswood Ave.
Menlo Park, CA 94025
(415) 859-4425
klaseen@erg.sri.com
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
From: mskuhn@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Markus Kuhn)
Subject: Re: ISO PICS proformas
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 09:56:00 GMT

iann@tcom.stc.co.uk (Ian Newman) writes:

>Does anyone where I can get hold of ISO PICS (Protocol Implementation
>Conformance Statement) proformas, electronically?  I know I can get
>paper copies form the ISO standards themselves, but I'd like to save myself
>some typing by filling in an electronic version.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Anonymous Internet FTP sites with information about ISO standards:

ftp.uni-erlangen.de   portal/doc/ISO           collected USENET articles etc.
osi.ncsl.nist.gov
ftp.uu.net            networking/osi           ISODE
                      networking/x25
nic.ddn.mil           protocols                DoD and GOSIP related stuff
                      rfc                      RFC Repository
cs.ucl.ac.uk          src                      ISODE, PP, OSIMIS, ...
                      osi-ds                   Internet X.500 documents
                      ietf-osi-oda             Internet ODA documents
aun.uninett.no        ietf/mhs-ds              X.500 based routing drafts
ftp.ifi.uio.no        pub/SGML                 SGML/HyTime related things
dkuug.dk              i18n                     internationalisation standards
ftp.ripe.net          ripe/docs/iso3166-codes  ISO Country Codes

There are no ISO or CCITT standards available for free access on the
Internet (with very few exceptions)! All the listed servers contain only
related information.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

This is my private list of ftp servers that might be relevant for
people interested in ISO stuff. I remember that I have seen some
PICS (perhaps not from ISO) in osi.ncsl.nist.gov, but I forgot the
directory. A copy of the LAPB and X.25 PICS from there is also on
ftp.uni-erlangen.de.

Good luck!

Markus

---
Markus Kuhn, Computer Science student -=-=- University of Erlangen, Germany
Internet: mskuhn@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de  |  X.500 entry available
-A distributed system is one in which the failure of a computer you didn't-
-even know existed can render your own computer unusable. (Leslie Lamport)-
From: ics.ralph@Control.Com (Ralph Mackiewicz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
Subject: OSI Failure? (MMS and TCP/IP)
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:20:06 GMT
Reply-To: ics.ralph@control.com
Organization: Industrial Computing Society

Reply to Don Provan regarding installed base of OSI:

You obviously missed the point.  I am not arguing in favor of OSI verus
other transport and network protocols on the basis of technical merit
nor am I claiming that OSI transport and network should be used because
of the installed base.  I merely stated a fact that most MMS implementation
s to date have used OSI transport and network.  If you are going to build
an MMS product that you intend to use to communicate with other implementat
ions it would be even more hilarious to implement it with TCP/IP since no
one else has.  Frankly, your response is why I spend time writing these 
messages.  You obviously don't care about the reality that if you are goint
to build an interoperable MMS product you better use OSI.  Who cares that
there will be no one to talk to.  Instead, perhaps you would use TCP/IP.
You would have a better technical solution....its just too bad that you
wouldn't be able to communicate with anyone else's MMS.  Now who's being
silly?

The point I keep trying to make, without much success, is that OSI is not
useless just because TCP/IP is better at some things.  There is some value
in OSI.  I have many customers using the technology (not vendors) who spend
money on OSI (or more precisely MMS) because it saves them money in 
integrating their plant floor devices and provides them a solution to 
their needs that no other networking technology can provide.

Ralph Mackiewicz
ics.ralph@ics.org or 2943439@mcimail.com