HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: 7-day Underground passes
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 05:12:21 GMT

> > I'd appreciate it if some Londoner could inform me how much it costs
> > to get a 7-day pass for the Undergound/tube.
> 
> The pass is called a Travelcard ...

> >  - Any restrictions e.g. cannot use during rush hours
> 
> The one day Travelcards are only valid after 9.30, Monday to Friday,
> and all day Saturday and Sunday. I don't think such restrictions
> apply to Travelcard season tickets.

Clarification for North American readers: the term "season ticket"
includes the 7-day Travelcard as well as those for longer periods.

Unless things have changed recently, to use the 7-day Travelcard you need
to supply a photo of yourself (e.g. from a take-your-own-photo machine,
or a spare passport photo).
-- 
Mark Brader		"Europe contains a great many cathedrals, which were
Toronto			 caused by the Middle Ages, which means they are very
utzoo!sq!msb		 old, so you have to take color slide photographs
msb@sq.com		 of them."			-- Dave Barry

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From: pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson)
Subject: Re: (no subject given)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 21 JAN 93 18:30:49    

In article <1jkn74INNo90@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bw936@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Gregory K. Ramsey) writes, in part:

>Anybody have any idea how much a surplus RDC will sell for?
	I've a friend who got one for well under $1k.  That's uncommon, tho.
	Many have engine or engines removed, and parts fo the drive train
	pulled.

>Now wouldn't one of those make a really neat private car. ;-)
	after the asbestos insulation comes out....

>At least you would save on terminal switching charges. ;-))
	I suspect there is still expense for a "pilot crew", for any moves on
	anbody else's RR.

thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
40 Old Bolton Rd		|I am the NRA.
Stow, Mass, USA	
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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: historical question
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:07:56 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA
Keywords: stainless cars

In article <930120111131@cream.ftp.com> jbvb@ftp.com writes:
> In article <1jefg2INNgd2@iraul1.ira.uka.de> S_KOEHLER@iravcl.ira.uka.de (|S| Tobias Koehler) writes:
> 
>     when and for which railroad were the first stainless steel coaches built?
> 
> The Budd Co. (USA) developed and patented the "shot welding" process
> for stainless steel, and the first cars I know of that were built
> using it were the "Budd-Michelin" railcars, which had stainless
> bodies and rubber tires instead of steel wheels.  These were built in
> the early 1930s.  None were particularly successful, and those that
> stayed in service beyond the first year got steel wheels retrofitted.
> At least one went to the Pennsylvania RR.  See an article in Trains
> Magazine 10 or more years ago for more info.

Yes, I have a Philadelphia NHRS newletter that has a picture of one of
the Budd/Michelin cars on the branch that runs by my house.  It's pretty
strange looking.  I wonder how much of it was "european design"?

Although the Pennsy verion was stainless, apparently it was painted
Tuscan Red, rather than left shiney.

It came and went, and the Pennsy's fleet of gas/diesel-electric doodlebug's
ran on.

Thinking about it, did the Pennsy every buy into the RDC cars?  They kept
their 1920/1930 era doodlebugs up till the abandonment of most of
the branch line passenger service.  I know they eventually did for the
shared Pennsylvania-Reading Seashore lines.

-- 
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but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
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From: eset08@castle.ed.ac.uk (J Strobridge)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,uk.misc
Subject: Re: Small Gods Annotations
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:31:15 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


>>>
>>
>>And I have *never*, *ever* heard of your "wrong kind of leaves" story.
>>Please suppy a reference for it.
>>

>My recollection is that it wasn't the "wrong kind of leaves" it
>was just "leaves on the track". 

>Of course you don't expect a shock fall of leaves on the track
>in Autumn.  :-)

  The story I heard was some part of the country, I forget where, had 
a heavy fall of autumn leaves one year followed by overnight rain.
Consequently the leaves that fell into the points systems simply
glued up, jammed everything and a whole lot of poor BR workmen had
to go and clean the points out by hand before the trains were able
to run again!

But then it could just be an excuse to plant acres of inpenetrable
pine forest alongside the tracks instead and then cut it down to sell
for timber.   Would be nice if they planted a few Canadian redwood
trees or something though.    Long term planning.......

 
jill
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From: M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org
Subject: Re: passenger service in binghamton?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:45:39 GMT

In article <C1HLvy.MGp@acsu.buffalo.edu>
v106qhlw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NEW YORKER IN EXILE) writes:
 
>
>I friend of mine in Binghamton, NY told me she heard a clip on the news that
>mentioned they hoped ot have passenger service in Binghamton by the beginning
>of the baseball season.  Anyone know what this is all about?  (She didn't
>listen to the whole news piece!)  Obviously, something small scales.
>
You've got to be kidding!  Has the State of New York found a gold mine or
something?  Seriously, it is and has been my opinion since the days when
Amtrak was still "in the womb" and being called "Railpax" that there ought
to have been/ought to be included in its system a train from Hoboken (Penn
Station, New York if the connector in the right direction ever gets built) to
Scranton, Binghamton, Elmira, Corning and at least Hornell if not Buffalo.
Back in 1971 it would have been easy to do.  Now a lot of the trackage between
Scranton and Port Morris is decaying in the brush (in PA) or torn up (in NJ).
 
Much more likely, though, whatever report your friend heard probably related
to excursion or "tourist train" service operated by NYS&W, or possibly by the
Tioga Central.  The latter outfit was booted out of its home on the former LV
line out of Owego, and its equipment is now stored at Whitney Point.  According
to "usually reliable sources", they have been dickering with the Suzie Q for
permission to run it someplace, preferably out of Binghamton, using the
historic restored former DL&W Station.  I hope something comes of it, but I
wouldn't advise holding your breath!
 
 
Len Bachelder        Archives Committee, Boston and Maine RR Historical Society
MITRE Corp.           Secretary, Massachusetts Bay Railroad Enthusiasts
Bedford MA 01730      Member, 470 Railroad Club
<M00209@mbvm.mitre.org>
 
"Amazing love, how can it be that Thou, my God, should'st die for me!"
                                                 - Charles Wesley
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From: ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff)
Subject: Re: ? about engine sets
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:48:05 GMT


MORE ON MU CABLES

I believe that Baldwin was the last hold-out for standard
MU connections.  One reason Baldwin road switchers were
scrapped out sooner than Alcos on most major U.S. lines
was that they had air-operated MU controls.  Alco and 
EMD were pretty much providing standard MU controls from
the mid-1950s on, except for some yard switchers.  Maybe
someone who is more in the know can explain the various
pin configurations.

~S
--
Garth (Haridas) Groff
"Not yet famous author"
ggg9y@poe.acc.virginia.EDU         Chant "Govinda Bohlo Hare"
From: pop@cs.umass.edu ( Robin Popplestone )
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: turntables
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:49:49 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Originator: pop@roo.cs.umass.edu



> We call them turntables here. I'm curious why they would be called
> "plates" on the other side of the pond? Are the pits planked over
> so they appear plate-shaped?

The english term has always been "turntable". I presume S.Koehler was
transliterating a german term.

Robin Popplestone.
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From: pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson)
Subject: Re: NEC
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 26 JAN 93 08:55:51    

In article <16B61E192.M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org>, M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org writes, in
part:

>New Haven engines, I believe, were serviced only at New Haven, though I suppose
>minor repairs could be performed at Oak Point if they had to.

	The major maintaineance base for NH Electrics was in NY, not NH, tho I
	cannot recall the location name.  Maye have been Oak Point.

>As for the PC era, that was when they started running the GG1s through to
>New Haven.  I believe that some (minor) modifications to the overhead were
>required.  I seem to remember some early problems with the GG1s pantographs
>snagging the wire at "dead spots" and phase breaks (e. g., Cos Cob Bridge).
	The maximum possible height, without wire present, for the GG1 was high
	enough that the shoe was _above_ the wire as it came off the Saugatuck
	(?) bridge gap (near Cos Cob...).  Embarassing...

thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
40 Old Bolton Rd		|I am the NRA.
Stow, Mass, USA	
01775				pierson@msd26.enet.dec.com
"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."  A J Raffles
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Subject: Commuter Rail Crash, C&SSRR
From: hallen@pa881a.inland.com
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:40:28 CDT
Organization: Inland Steel Company, East Chicago, IN
Nntp-Posting-User: hallen

 Chicago & Shore South rail crash...
Monday, Jan 18 1993, approx. 9:37am 
Two C&SS RR Commuter trains sideswiped each other at the gauntlet
bridge in Gary, IN
There were numerous injurys and 7 deaths.  According to local reports
(Gary Fire Department employee) the front cars of each train appeared
to have been cut open with a razor blade.  As of today (1/22/93) I
have not heard any conclusive reports from the NTSB or C&SSRR Offices

Does anyone have anymore info on this situation.

Woody Hallen
Inland Steel Co, East Chicago IN.
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Subject: ? about mu connections
From: mccartney_g@ab.wvnet.edu
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:37:29 -0500
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College

If a switcher was to get stuck into a group of road units, would it be able to
operate normally like the rest of the units and provide power?

This is MORE than likely never to happen, but I was just wondering.
From: v106qhlw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NEW YORKER IN EXILE)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: passenger service in binghamton?
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:42:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I friend of mine in Binghamton, NY told me she heard a clip on the news that
mentioned they hoped ot have passenger service in Binghamton by the beginning
of the baseball season.  Anyone know what this is all about?  (She didn't
listen to the whole news piece!)  Obviously, something small scales.

thanks 
mark
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From: FAFES@livid.uib.no
Subject: Re: Turning plates
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: 26 Jan 1993 09:17:05 EMT

> Michael Stimac writes:

> We call them turntables here. I'm curious why they would be called
> "plates" on the other side of the pond? Are the pits planked over
> so they appear plate-shaped?

Yes, of several reasons. To prevent the pit being filled up with snow during
winter, to eliminate the danger of falling into the pit and to make it
possible to maintain the loco on the turning plate. In some areas where
one or several of above reasons are not present they are not covered with
planks.

Ivar Gubberud
E.mail: Gubberud@nsd.uib.no
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From: desherry@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (douglas.e.sherry)
Subject: Re: NEC
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:17:38 GMT

In article <16B64814D.M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org> M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org writes:
> 
>The PRR line was electrified at least (and I suspect only) to Norristown.
>I recall seeing timetables for local (presumably MP54) service that far
>as recently as the early 60s.  Passenger service was cut back to Manayunk
>circa 1965 (really unsure about that date, would have to check timetables
>at home).  Service beyond Norristown was steam, later diesel.  The first
>time I rode the Red Arrow to Norristown (1959), wires were still up on
>the Pennsy under the bridge, and I believe a limited passenger service
>was still being operated by them.  I believe also at that time, the
>Reading MU service extended beyond downtown up a short spur to the north
>whereas the main line to Reading and Pottsville continued on, crossing
>the Schuylkill River I think just west of the Red Arrow Bridge.
> 
>When I try to remember what the story was west of Norristown, my
>memory really gets foggy, but I remember both Pennsy and Reading timetables
>circa 1960 showing joint service with something like 4 or five trains a day
>on the Reading, one on the Pennsy and several round trips of Reading
>Transportation Company busses.  I THINK I remember that the Pennsy service
>and all but one Reading train ended at Pottsville, while the busses and a
>single Reading train, the "King Coal", went to Shamokin.  It is my impression
>possibly incorrect that the Pennsy and the Reading had essentially parallel
>lines, like maybe on opposite sides of a river, all the way to Shamokin
>and perhaps even farther than that.  Could check old maps and timetables
>at home if/when I have time if somebody else doesn't remember more complete
>and accurate details.
> 
Yes, this line paralleled the Reading line north to Pottsville. Most of the line
is abandoned from Norristown to Reading, but from Temple to Hamburg, the Blue
Mountain and Reading operates the former Pennsy line. The small yard in Reading
is serviced by Conrail from the connection to the Reading line at Spring Street.
> 
>Len Bachelder        Archives Committee, Boston and Maine RR Historical Society
>MITRE Corp.           Secretary, Massachusetts Bay Railroad Enthusiasts
>Bedford MA 01730      Member, 470 Railroad Club
><M00209@mbvm.mitre.org>
> 
>"Amazing love, how can it be that Thou, my God, should'st die for me!"
>                                                 - Charles Wesley

Doug Sherry
AT&T Bell Labs
desherry@aloft.att.com
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From: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879)
Subject: Chicago Burlington and Quincy (was: the proposed T line in Boston
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:06:27 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

From article <1993Jan25.093203.2635@merrimack.edu>, by gemmellj@merrimack.edu:
> Hi, I have a question on the name of an old railroad.
> Was the Burlington, Chicago, and Quincy the name of an old rr?

The Chicago Burlington and Quincy is one of the corporate ancestors of the
Burlington Northern, a very large railroad by any standard.  The other
ancestor of today's Burlington is the Great Northern.

The Burlington route's east-west mainline still goes through Burlington
Iowa, and it is still the "Route of the Zephyrs", although they are now
run by Amtrak.

				Doug Jones
				jones@cs.uiowa.edu
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From: caer@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Charlie Figura)
Subject: Sante Fe paint schemes
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:46:29 GMT



Allright, yet another question floating around my head...
Here's one ive been wondering about for a *long* time (like, since
I was 5?)  When I was a kid (5, figure that) I got my first train,
a Lionel FA2, Sante Fe.  The interesting thing was, it was painted
like the standard Sante Fe silver and red with the gold stripe
(superchief, i guess its called?) -- except it wasnt red, it was
blue.  Much like the Delaware &... St. Lawrence, mebbe?
Point is, i NEVER saw such a paint scheme, blue and silver
sante fe in ANY pictures, *anywhere* else.
Until last night I saw a Marklin HO F3 ABA set...
and it was the same blue & silver with the gold stripe sante
fe.  I figured Lionel could be unprototypical :-) but that
a $520 Marklin *should* be pretty accurate.

The question is, what gives?  When did Sante Fe (and where)
use that scheme?  I know today their freight uses yellow and
dark blue, but this is different.  anyone?  thanks...


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From: ovr@lk-hp-5.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: electric railway in Russia
Date: 26 Jan 1993 20:34:26 GMT
Organization: L{nsi-Uudenmaan Keisarillinen Polyteknillinen Koulu
Distribution: world
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In article <1k3b7uINNgap@iraul1.ira.uka.de> S_KOEHLER@iravcl.ira.uka.de (|S| Tobias Koehler) writes:
>can anybody tell me which current system is used on the electrified part
>of the Russian 1524 mm SZD network (and other ex-CCCP states)? Do they use 
>one system on the whole network?

At least the part adjoining to the Finnish network uses 3 kV DC. Because
of this dual-voltage engines are used on the line Vainikkala-Vyborg(-...),
as we use 25 kV 50 Hz AC.
--
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In rec.railroad, mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:

> Bruce Tiffany writes:
> 
> >[The E-9s] do not have HEP trainlined through the nose, nor do they have
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
While we're on the subject of the ex-BN E-9s, does anybody know how many
time BN had those things rebuilt? Also, did M-K do all the rebuilds?
*********************

> >NEC cab signalling, so they will be used as trailing units, or singly
> >outside of the NEC.
> 
> I didn't think the diesel equipment was used on the corridor.
> 
> The old MARC coaches, BTW, are ex-N&W sleepers.
> -- 
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From: adrian@ntmtv.UUCP (Adrian Brandt)
Subject: SPUR meeting on SF Transbay Terminal
Followup-To: ba.transportation
Keywords: CalTrain extension Transbay Terminal
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:51:13 GMT


SPUR (San Francisco Planning & Urban Research) will be having
a "brown-bag lunch style" meeting on the "Fate of the Transbay
Terminal" and its connector ramps.  The meeting is free and is
open to the public.  There will be several speakers and mayor
Frank Jordan's transportation aide, Stewart Sunshine, will be
among them.  

There are some very serious plans by both the City of San Francisco
and Caltrans to demolish and/or redevelop the Transbay Terminal.
This building is a train station (now being used for buses only)
that is ideally situated and constructed to serve as the terminus
for one or more of the following:

	1. CalTrain's long-awaited, and much-needed downtown San
	Francisco extension.  Using this structure and its ramps
	should be significantly cheaper than any of the "official"
	alternatives that have been studied to date.
 
	2. BayLink.  A bold proposal put forth a little over a
	year ago by the Modern Transit Society (MTS) to restore
	train service to the SF-Oakland Bay Bridge using light
	rail equipment.  This proposal envisioned services
	running from the Transbay Terminal (via the existing
	connector ramp infrastructure) to the Bay Bridge and
	fanning out into various east bay lines.  Much of this
	proposal involves rebuilding and/or reusing historical
	rights of way.  Also, joint-use of the bridge tracks
	by high speed inter-city trains to get into and out of
	San Francisco was also suggested.
 
	3. The CalSpeed High Speed Rail service currently being
	studied.  This is an estimated $9 billion TGV-type rail
	service connecting San Francisco and Los Angeles with
	200mph trains via SFO, San Jose, Fresno and Modesto with
	end-to-end travel times of less than 3 hours.
 
Statewide as well as local transit advocacy and environmental groups
are *very* concerned that San Francisco will lose an invaluable
resource that will be key to bringing excellent transit and inter-
city rail connections into the heart of its financial district if
the Transbay Terminal is destroyed.  Without the Transbay Terminal
and its associated connector ramp infrastructure, bringing any of
the above-mentioned services downtown to connect with Muni and BART
via an underground pedestrian passageway may prove technically
and/or politically and/or financially prohibitive/impossible...

The meeting time and place:

	Wednesday, January 27th, 12:30 PM
	SPUR
	312 Sutter Street, Suite 500
	San Francisco, CA 

For more information call SPUR at (415) 781-8726.


-- 

Adrian Brandt (415) 940-2379
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From: lmmik@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (larry.m.mikkelson)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,rec.models.railroad
Subject: Model and Prototype Magazines for sale
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:37:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1993Jan26.213746.21396
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

Reply-To: lmm@mhcnet.att.com

I will be moving in a few weeks, and rather than pack a number of back issues
of model railroad and prototype railroad magazines, I thought I would see if
anyone would like to buy them.  All of these are in good to excellent condition,
with no torn covers or clipped pages.  There are various issues from 1948 to
1992.  A summary follows (but only of the years, not of the individual issues):

Model Railroad Magazines:
Mainline Modeler (4 issues) (85,88,91-92)
Model Railroader (112 issues) (48,59-60,63-71,75,80-85,89-92)
Model Railroading (3 issues) (84,86,90)
Model Trains (8 issues) (54-55,57-58)
Prototype Modeler (3 issues) (79-80,86)
Railroad Model Craftsman (14 issues) (57,68,71-72,78,80,83,89-90,92)
Railroad Model Journal (1 issue) (90)

Prototype Railroad Magazines:
Block Line (2 issues) (87,91)
CTC Board Railroad News (2 issues) (91)
CTC Board (3 issues) (77-78)
Midwest Rails (1 issue) (81)
Pacific News/Pacific RailNews (20 issues) (74-76,88-92)
Rail Classics (6 issues) (72-74,76,87,89)
Railfan (5 issues) (75,90-92)
Railroad Magazine (32 issues) (56,59-68,72-75)
Trains (38 issues) (50,53,55-58,63-64,70-71,73-75,77,83,90-91)

If you have an interest in these, make me an offer before Feb 3.  I am not
going to have time to look for individual issues, so decide if you want 
enough of the magazines to make it worth my time to pack and ship them,
as opposed to pack and carry them with me.  I would prefer offers such as
"I'll take them all for $x" or "I'll give you $y for all the issues of
Model Railroader and Trains".  They can be shipped 4th class, so the postage 
should not be excessive, even for the entire lot.  The buyer pays shipping 
or picks them up in central New Jersey.  Thanks.

Larry Mikkelson
AT&T, Murray Hill, NJ
lmm@mhcnet.att.com
908 769-6517 evenings EST