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From: amyk@netcom.com (Amy Kurtzman)
Subject: Need hi-cal nutritional drinks / food for sick persons weight gain
Summary: weight lost during illness and surgery -- need ideas for recovery
Keywords: Please help
Organization: Amy's Boca-By-The-Sea Resort (sm)
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:47:22 GMT

My Mother was ill and had surgery this summer. As a result,
she has lost over 25 pounds and only weights 85 pounds now. She has
been unable to gain any weight back. She is not eating enough to begin
with, because many foods upset her stomach now and nothing seems
appetizing to her. She also can't eat much at one sitting either.

I have heard that there are high calorie, very nutritious liquid diets
for sick folks, but I can't remember what the name of the product is,
and if it is something you can just buy in a drugstore. 

Any ideas for food or liquids would be welcome. Thanks in advance.
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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Subject: Re: food and asthma question.
Organization: None. This saves me from writing a disclaimer.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:13:53 GMT

Many people who have asthma find that avoiding dairy products helps
reduce asthma symptoms.
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Bernie Simon	(bsimon@stsci.edu)		similia similibus curentur
From: ckw0@aber.ac.uk (Carl Keri Williams)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: AMA Blasts Animal Rights Group on Milk Panic
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:25:27 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1lgpjyb@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu writes:
>Sigh. If I need to explain it, you're probably not going to understand.
>
>Try this. No-one claims that humans *need* cow's milk to survive.
>No-one, not even dairy farmers.

I take it the UK Milk Marketing Board slogan never reached you then.

"Everybody's body needs bottle!"

It had a little jingle with it to explain, something like-
"Milk has gotto lotta bottle..."
Sorry, can't remember the rest.

Seems that the MMB are trying to claim that humans need cows milk!

Esther
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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: MULTI-VITAMINS
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:50:57 GMT

In article <10OCT92.05245458.0109@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CCMG@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CCMG) writes:
>     Im presently taking MULT-VITAMIN/MINERAL supplement,
>     the brand is QUEST.It is a ONE A DAY vitamin.I noticed
>     that my urine is a much darker yellow while I take these
>     vitamins.Is this normal? harmful?

Riboflavin (B2) is yellow.  You excrete excess riboflavin you don't need.
It's not harmful.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Milk v/s Soymilk
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:50:39 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Oct6.170152.3954@eng.cam.ac.uk>, pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk (Philippa Hogben) writes:

>Is it possible to buy "skimmed" soymilk? I bought some soymilk recently to see
>what it was like and I thought it tasted absolutely vile. I think part of the
>problem was  that I found it too "creamy". I checked the carton later - the
>soymilk had 2.1g fat per 100g whereas the milk I normally use (described as
>"Virtually fat free") has only  0.1g fat per 100g.

>Secondly, the carton I had listed the ingredients as only water and soybeans.
> 
> Philippa.

Westbrae Foods does make a light brand, called Westsoy Light (surprise!). 
It has 2 grams of fat per 8 ounces, and is the consistency of skim 
milk, but this product is not calcium enriched, as is the "Westsoy Plus"
brand.

There's a huge difference in the taste of soymilks. Soybeans, by themselves,
don't always taste good! Westsoy is made using brown rice syrup, made
from brown rice and water, a sweet syrup. This changes the taste. 
Of course, you could always have the chocolate flavor....

This isn't quite nutrition. The folks at rec.food.veg can give more
info (many vegetarians do not consume milk). 

-Mary Howard
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: KM vitamines
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 14:50:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.151141.7995@cbfsb.cb.att.com> joni@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (joni.dunlap) writes:
>have a girlfriend that is selling this vitamine suppliment called KM.
>She has been trying to sell me this stuff for about 6 months now. She
>claims that you will instantly start feeling better within a week of using 
>the stuff on a daily basis. Well the stuff is expensive and sound like a
>lot of snake oil. Any and all comments welcome.
>
>Joni :)

Not familiar with KM, but have a couple of comments.

If we "knew" that it would improve your health, cost, unless prohibitive,
shouldn't be such a high consideration.

However, I've neither experienced, read, seen nor heard about a vitamin
supplement that could have you feeling better within a week.  Watch out for
outrageous or unsubstantiated claims.
From: nelson@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Matt Nelson)
Subject: is whey bad?
Summary: what _is_ the true story?
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Keywords: whey, nutrition
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:59:21 GMT


the subject says it all.  is whey 'bad'?  self-help gazzilionaire tony
robbins (who avoids _all_ dairy products) has a large assortment of
opinionated statements about how awful whey is, and how it is used as
an additive in all sorts of food.  the trouble is, all he supplied were
opinions, and no real nutritional reasons for avoiding the stuff.  my
mom seems to take it for granted that 'whey is good' (yeah, yeah, the
'old school'...).

so whats the poop?  should we keep awhey (snick ;^) or not worry about it?

thanks a pile...
matt nelson (nelson@master.ps.uci.edu)
From: nrlfs1.nrl.navy.mil (Judy Karpen)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: KM vitamins
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:58:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: ra.Bw2yCz.Ezt
Organization: NRL

About a year ago several friends of mine from the rec club weight
room started on this KM kick, and annoyed the **&^ out of the rest
of us with sales pitches.  A few got conned into it but most of us
declined.  It IS very expensive, and sounded (to me) like potentially
dangerous stuff despite being "all natural" .  For example, it was
touted on the basis of having alot of potassium, which isn't something
you necessarily want to mess with if you have migraines, or heart
problems, or .... Anyway, it sounded like a typical pyramid scheme
to me, and they are not a good idea (except for the originator, who
is making lots of money off it before it collapses). Interestingly enough, I haven't heard a thing
about KM from the local "enthusiasts" for quite some time...

Good luck trying to convince your girlfriend to stop being involved
before she loses money!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:23:46 EDT
From: John E. Rodway <JER4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: niacin

Has there been any postings on the use of niacin for reducing cholesterol?
I am a new reader and would appreciate any information on the subject.

John
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,talk.politics.animals
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Freedom of "unhealthy choices"? [was Re: Cooking/Heating Protein...]
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:15:14 GMT

Some anti-vegetarians in this thread are really reaching in their
argumentation lately, a sure sign that either they are losing the
argument, or that we are starting to attract the lunatic fringe of
anti-vegetarians.

The latest example is the argument that one doesn't have the right to
be a vegetarian because it will have adverse health consequences (not
proven) which others will have to pay for via the medical insurance
system's overall premium level.

If one lost one's rights any time one did something that imposed social
costs on others, we'd have no air or rail travel, no freight trucks,
no art or music, and no jaywalking.

Perhaps next we'll see some suggest capital punishment for overtime
parking.
From: jsimon@convex.COM (Josh Simon)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Keywords: antibiotics
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:50:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.1992Oct07.155047.9325
Reply-To: jsimon@convex.com (Josh Simon)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Originator: jsimon@sushi.convex.com
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Oct6.232431.25207@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>Antibiotic supplementation of animal feed is (I believe) banned in Europe
>because of pubic health reasons, but not here.

Very interesting.  I didn't know that adding antibiotics to animal feed could
lead to venereal diseases....

Oh yeah: :-)
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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: is whey bad?
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 17:08:39 GMT
Keywords: whey, nutrition

In article <1992Oct14.021952.158260@watson.ibm.com> yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes:
>In article <nelson.719002287@skid.ps.uci.edu> nelson@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Matt Nelson) writes:
>>
>>the subject says it all.  is whey 'bad'?  self-help gazzilionaire tony
>
>I am not sure, but I have heard that "whey"ing too much can be
>bad for you.  It puts an extra strain on your heart and can lead to
>heart disease. :-)

>(I hope this joke is worth the network bandwidth it wastes.)

IMHO, It was well worth it!!
From: lee@soda.berkeley.edu (Lee Thompson-Herbert)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Impact of Caffeine on Health
Date: 14 Oct 1992 10:13:37 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct14.075038.5235@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.191910.8081@nynexst.com> laura@nynexst.com writes:
>> What is the impact of caffeine on health?
>
>Not a whole lot, if not taken to excess.  High daily doses can cause
>nervousness, tremulousness, insomnia and some mild heartbeat
>irregularities in certain people.  What's "high"?  Well it depends.
>More than 4-5 cups of strong coffee a day might get you into the
>area of 800mg-1000mg/day or more, which is definitely on the high side.

Very high doses can cause what looks like amphetamine psychosis.  However,
the case listed in 'Licit & Illicit Drugs' states that the woman took 40
tablets of caffeine citrate (total of 60 grains).  I shudder at the thought,
since _4_ NoDoz tablets made me start showing signs of caffeine toxicity
[throwing up, dry heaves, irregual heartbeat, shakes, tinnitus, heavy
breathing,  anxiety].  The poor woman was diagnosed as having a hysterical
episode (if she were male, that would have probably been diagnosed as a 
manic episode then--1936).

The main reason the case was included in the book was to point out that
caffeine is a drug and should be treated with a certain amount of respect.

So don't go eat a whole box of NoDoz some morning. ;)

The only reason I even remembered this one is that the book was lying
under my chair.  And it is 3:08am or thereabouts, when my associative 
memory starts working overtime. [grin]

reference: _Licit_and_Illicit_Drugs_, Edward M. Brecher and the Editors
of Comsumer Reports.  Little, Brown and Company, Boston, Toronto.
Part II. Caffeine, Ch. 22 Recent Findings pp 199-206


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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: will@wixer.cactus.org (Bill Staniewicz)
Subject: Re: Milk v/s Soymilk
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 00:58:00 GMT

The ingrediants for soymilk seem pretty simple and
readily available. Wouldnt it be simple to make your
own? Has anyone done this before and have a recipe
you can post?

-- 
Bill
will@wixer.cactus.org
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition

|I'm planning to give birth to my next baby at home;  statistical studies
|show that this is safer than the hospital (provided that a midwife
|is in attendance and that transport to hospital is available in
|case of major medical problems).
|
|Cathy Woodgold  woodgold@seismo.emr.ca  Ottawa, Canada  Standard disclaimers

Disclaimer: I am an engineer, not a medical practicioner.

I'm sorry that you had an unpleasant experience in hospital; it sounds like
you have just cause for grievance.  However, I'm not sure that your conclusion 
about your next delivery is warranted. 

In the UK, General Practictioners are required to carry morphine and a minimal
tollkit for use in emergencies, and her's was recently stolen from her car. Now
while I'm not particularly squeamish (*), her description of one of her tools
made me pull a face. Consider the case in which a delivery goes badly wrong and
the female is not in the hospital. In case the doctor may have to make an 
unpleasant choice: the mother or the baby. If, as is usual, the choice is the
mother, the tool in question is used to crack the foetus' skull so that the 
corpse can be withdrawn without furthur damaging the "mother". 

Be aware of this risk...

(*) despite my daughter being properly presented, my wife had to have an 
unplanned Caesarian Section after 15 hours of labour. I was present (at my
request) and have now seen parts of my wife that she will never see. I took
the trouble to find out what should be expected to happen at varoius stages, 
and ensured that my wife had optimum care...

Total cost: nil, apart from the income tax that I pay. I _love_ the National
Health Service.
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: woodgold@emr1.emr.ca (Cathy Woodgold)
Subject: Breastfeeding and intelligence
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:00:05 GMT

Years ago, I read an article which stated that members of Mensa were
much more likely to have been breastfed than non-members in their
age group.  I found this very interesting.  Unfortuneately, I've lost
the reference.

However, here's something more recent relating breastfeeding to
intelligence:

From:  Breastfeeding Abstracts, May 1992, Vol 11, No. 4,
published by La Leche League International, p.20

Breast milk and subsequent intelligence quotient in
children born preterm
by A. Lucas, R. Morley, T.J. Cole et al.
Lancet, 1992, 339:261-64.

...
In this study, the researchers assessed the IQ of
300 children 7 1/2 to 8 years old,
who had weighed under 1850 g at birth and were
tube-fed in nurseries in a
strictly controlled and monitored regime.  The study
population was divided into two groups:  mothers of group I children
(n=90) chose not to provide breast milk during the time
their infants were in the special care nursery.
...
Group II children exhibited a highly significant IQ advantage
of 7.6 points over group I children.  After regression to
account for social class, mother's education, days of ventilation,
and infant's sex ... the highly significant IQ advantage of
breastmilk-fed children remained.  When Group II children were
divided into two subsets - a) children whose mothers wanted
to provide breast milk, but were unable to do so (n=17) and
b) children whose mothers succeeded in providing breast milk
(n=193) -- children in group IIb showed an 8.3 point advantage
in IQ over children in group IIa (P < .0001).
...
Because the IQ advantage was seen in infants who only
received breast milk by nasogastric tube while they were
in the hospital, the authors note that their data do not
support the argument that observed IQ advantages of breastfed
children are due to parental interaction and the breastfeeding 
process.

Cathy Woodgold  woodgold@emr1.emr.ca  Ottawa  Not from my employer
From: tsf@CS.CMU.EDU (Timothy Freeman)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Freedom of "unhealthy choices"?
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:27:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: U.TSF.92Oct8142724
	<1992Oct1.212254.6983@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
	<1992Oct2.141107.27887@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
	<1992Oct8.173138.15646@u.washington.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: tsf@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <1992Oct8.173138.15646@u.washington.edu> rbradbur@hardy.u.washington.edu (Robert Bradbury) writes:

   Yes, but the question is to what degree you have the "right" to exercise
   a "freedom" with long term negative health consequences which your employer
   (i.e. your fellow employees) or government (i.e. me as a taxpayer) will end
   up paying for?

Depends on how you define "right".  If God gives rights, or they
emerge naturally from the laws of the universe in some other way, then
you're asking an empirical question I don't know the answer to
(because I don't communicate with God or nature in a way that tells me
anything about rights).  If you are asking about rights in the legal
sense, then obviously he can consume as much protein as he wants.

If you're asking which system I would rather live in, then I would
prefer that people let me buy my own health care, and in exchange,
they let me own my own body.  This frees me from having to agree with
the establishment about the goals and means of medical care before I
can get what I want.  In this model, he would probably either have to
rely on charity when his kidneys fail, or he would be deprived of
medical care and would probably die, or he would buy health insurance
before the kidney failure from a company that has an opportunity to
test his urine and determine fees appropriately.
--
Tim Freeman <tsf@cs.cmu.edu>    CompuServe ID 71045,2267 checked occasionally.
When they took the fourth amendment, I was silent because I don't deal drugs.
When they took the sixth amendment, I kept quiet because I know I'm innocent.
When they took the second amendment, I said nothing because I don't own a gun.
Now they've come for the first amendment, and I can't say anything at all.
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: woodgold@emr1.emr.ca (Cathy Woodgold)
Subject: Re: Milk v/s Soymilk
Keywords: Which is better????
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:52:17 GMT

Soy milk contains both essential fatty acids in good proportions.
Cow's milk contains (almost?) none of them.
Essential fatty acids are particularly important for infants,
whose brains are developing;  human milk is best for them, 
(for numerous other reasons and) since
it contains the essential fatty acids in the most useful forms
(e.g. gamma-linolenic acid, docosa-hexaenoic acid);  if they drink
soy milk, they must process the essential fatty acids into the
more useful forms;  if they drink cow's milk, they don't get the
essential fatty acids at all.  Studies have shown that breastfed
babies grow up into more intelligent people.
   I believe that goodly amounts of essential fatty acids are
also important for adults, and that the typical modern diet is
severely deficient in them.  The book "Fats and Oils in Human
Nutrition" by Udo Erasmus elucidates this point of view (though
without complete scientific references).

Cathy Woodgold  woodgold@emr1.emr.ca  usual disclaimers
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,talk.politics.animals
From: yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz)
Subject: Re: MULTI-VITAMINS
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:18:39 GMT

CCMG@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CCMG) writes:

|   Hi there,
| 
|      Im presently taking MULT-VITAMIN/MINERAL supplement,
|      the brand is QUEST.It is a ONE A DAY vitamin.I noticed
|      that my urine is a much darker yellow while I take these
|      vitamins.Is this normal?

Yes, it's totally normal.

Bitamin B-2 (riboflavin) is itself bright yellow and water soluoble.

This happens to everybody taking it, whether they notice or not.

Anyone particularly interested can go to a health food store and buy
some pure B-2 and try it for themselves.
-- 


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sickness itself.
From: lisap@olomana.soest.hawaii.edu (Lisa Petersen)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Fat Gram Calculations - Do They Drop The Decimal?
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:09:16 GMT
Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology
Originator: lisap@olomana

Greetings!

Does anyone know what happens when they calculate a food's fat
content and come up with a number like 3.7 grams per serving?
Do they drop the decimal or round off to the nearest whole
number?  In other words, will the label say 3 or 4?

Thanks in advance!

Lisa Petersen
From: gus@prism.gatech.EDU (gus Baird)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: How to cook beans
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:52:24 GMT
Organization: College of Computing, Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct15.214249.18331@zooid.guild.org> rwaigh@zooid.UUCP (Rosemary Waigh) writes:
>
 >I've also heard that adding a strip of kombu (a.k.a. kelp) to the
 >pot while cooking prevents flatulence, and makes the beans cook faster.
 >It seems to work.

Another additive: add a generous dusting of powdered cumin.  you may
like the flavor (gives a bit of a Mediterranean twist) and cumin
is considered a carminative.  Seems to help my bean dishes.  i also
pitch the first (10 minutes worth) of cooking water.  That combined
strategy has worked well for me.

-- 
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