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From: hkelly@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Grand Canyon - any X-Country skiing there?
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:20:34 GMT
Organization: EDS Research


>>If you go to the north rim (not a sure thing, since the roads are not
>>plowed), there are tons of forest service trails that go right up to
>>the rim. Info can be gotten at the Forest Service in Kamas.

Keep in mind that from Jacob Lake, where the road into the park leaves 84,
it's a full 70 miles to the park entrance, a few more to the actual canyon
rim.  As you note, this road is not plowed during the winter.  There is a
restaurant at Jacob Lake, but nothing more.  Fredonia, Arizona is about 30
miles north-west of Jacob Lake, but you'll find no rental shops there and
only about 100 houses.  30 miles in the other direction from Jacob Lake
there are various small restaurants and motels, such as at Marble Canyon
and Cliff Dwellers, but no rental shops or anything like a sporting goods
store.  The north rim would be truly beautiful and serene this time of
year, but getting there may entail more than the average weekend skier is
willing to put out.  The road to the south rim is open all winter, and
Flagstaff is about 100 miles from the park.  I'm certain you can find
anything you want in Flagstaff as far as equipment rental and accomodations
are concerned.

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
Organization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 11:51:24 -0500 
From: "Harold S. Lessure" <hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Physics of Skiing?


Anybody know of books/articles on the Physics of Skiing?


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From: ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole)
Subject: Conditions at Big Sky/Bridger?
Organization: Macalester College, St. Paul Minnesota USA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 05:27:49 GMT

Anyone been through Big Sky of Bridger Bowl recently and could drop me a line
as to conditions?

Thanks in advance

-Noah Cole
--
Noah Cole		"Outside is America,		     NCOLE@MACALSTR.EDU
Macalester College	and also the car park"	            ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu
St. Paul, MN 55105    	- Bono, 27 December 1989      cncole@coos.dartmouth.edu
612-696-7388 		 	Dublin	            aj909@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: Re: Snowboarders Suck!!!!
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:17:08 GMT
Organization: Fly GlenAir
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Zeke Koch (zeke@reed.edu) wrote:

> But I must agree that I think that a lot of the animosity towards
> boarders seems to revolve around the "skater subculture." 
> People seem to have a hard time dealing with rowdy kids.  

 Personally my problem is in dealing with the injuries caused by the 
 snowboarding "attitude". I've seen lots of phenominal snowboarders doing
 things that skiers could never do, but those folks are discreet and 
 don't stand out much in the crowd. What stands out are the hoards of
 skate-rats who have this need to be "way rad, dude" all the time.

 Yeah, it might sound like sour grapes from an old fart...but after you
 work 2 wrecks within an hour of each other where the people end up
 paralyzed, and both of 'em were snowboarder vs snowboarder doing things
 that *could* have been done safely....well, kinda messes up both your
 day and your opinion.


 ..glen
From: cd866@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc Sira)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Whistler where?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 04:06:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cd866@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc Sira)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, rah1220@ritvax.isc.rit.edu () says:

>Whistler Resort is only the largest ski area on the continent.  It is in the
>coastal mountains of British Columbia.  It is a monster, equalled only by the
>best of European ski resorts.  Whistler is about 2-3 hours from Vancouver.  It

Posh. 1 1/2 hours. You're just not eager enough, or haven't practiced
Test Drive I enough to quickly drive the Sea-to-Sky highway.

B-)


-- 
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From: leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov (Leo Dagum)
Subject: Re: >Snowboarders Suck
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:04:01 GMT

>In article <BzBnHK.DID@vcd.hp.com> thatcher@vcd.hp.com (Garen Thatcher)
>writes:
>>
>>1. I am really bothered by what a group of guys on snowboards can
>>   do to a hill that is just getting some good close moguls forming
>>   on it. Since the average turn is much more broad and scoops out much
>>   more snow, it ends up wiping out the hill for the skier. 
>>
In article <1992Dec16.193151.538@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mwallace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Wallace) writes:
>
>This is a true statement, but could also be made for a "group of guys" on
>skis.  The pertinent fact here is the skill level of the skiers/boarders.
>A skier at a low skill level arguabley does as much damage as a comparabl
>boarder.  And an advanced boarder can make shorter radius turns than any
>but the more advanced skiers.  I think the thing to keep in mind here is
>the time that boarding has been around.  The population hasn't had time t
>reach higher skill levels.  I'd venture that the average number of years
>experience for a given boarder is about 3 years.
>
>Mark Wallace

I can only hope this is true.  My experience though is simply that snowboarders
pick different lines from what I pick as a skier.  So if I get to a run that's
been heavily snowboarded I'm forced onto lines that don't work very well for me.
I don't consider it a matter of snowboarders "doing damage" to the run, just 
that the two sports are sufficiently different as to be incompatible in this 
sense.  Mark, you appear to be someone who's experienced in both sports.  If
you can tell me that you pick the same line down a steep mogul run on a 
snowboard as you do on skis, then I'll be content to wait for the day when
I won't be able to tell whether snowboarders or skiers created the moguls
I'm on.

Leo Dagum
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From: rdorich@jade.tufts.edu (Rob)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: ski conds in Maine??
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:16:15 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

OK guys,

	So my exams are over and I'm going skiing this week end,
probably to Sunday River, ME... can some one tell me how are the snow
conditions (if any) in this part of the country??

THanx

rob
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From: grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson)
Subject: Re: Learn on short or long skis?
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:42:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.151530.28786@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.004848.15321@clarinet.com> grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson) writes:
>>
>>>Unless you ski faster than 40-60kmh most of the time, you will not need a ski
>>>longer than 180cm.
>>
>>I ski mostly bumps and steeps, and the only time I hit those speeds is
>>generally when I'm free-falling.  I ski 200's. I'd ski 207's if I didn't
>>spend so much time in the bumps.
>
>
>This brings up a question:
>How do you measure your speed?---Is there some sort of BOTEC you can do
>real quick at the end of a run, wind-resistance gadgets you can get or
>something?

Well, my post was based on a couple assumptions:  first, when free-falling
(I meant air, not spills, though both are possible), gravity kicks in real
fast, and  if I had my high school physics text book I could tell you the
exact distance you'd have to drop to reach 40kph.

Now that I think about it, I seem to remember a figure of around 10M per 
second squared for acceleration, so after 1 second of free fall, you'd be
doing about 36kph.  A second doesn't seem like long, but unless you're
Scott Schmidt or Glen Plake, it unlikely many of your free falls are 
signficantly longer than that.

Anyone have a text and care to crunch some exact numbers?

As for top speeds on runs, I don't really care about numbers, but an
interesting thing I've noted is that (subjectively), my top speeds on skis
and on my mountain bike on downhills feel very similar.  No objective basis
for the skiing (we're talking a tuck on a GS course), but I once rode a
bike with one of those wing-doodle gadgets which tell you your speed,
testosterone level, odds on the Giants, and who to send Christmas cards to
this year (but I digress), and it topped out at around 40 mph ~ 65 kph.

I tend to measure my skiing speed more along the lines of how much energy
and leg strength it's going to take to stop or do emergency manoeuvres, or
how much it's going to hurt to fall.

>I saw something in a local ski store the other day that appeared to be
>basically a spur-like wheel attached to a small LCD display. I imagine
>it counts RPMs or RPSs and spits out a number that way. I've no idea
>how accurate it is, nor how durable(It clips onto the tail of your
>skis. I've no idea how durable or accurate it'd be.) 

Another way to measure your speed:  tie a rope to the back of a Humvee, and
tell the driver to "test 'er out in the snow."  Afterwards, ask him how
fast he got 'er going.  Subtract 25% for the male exageration factor, and
then divide by two for the same reason.  (It's a good idea to wear a helmet
as well, otherwise you may get dinged by one of the beer cans flying out
the window.)
-- 
Grant Robinson -- ClariNet Communications Corp, Sunnyvale, CA (408)-296-0366
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From: richk@tera.com (Richard Korry)
Subject: Re: Colorado Avalanche Information
Organization: Tera Computer Company, Seattle, WA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:35:21 GMT

I think of a transceiver like an air bag or a seat belt; it is there in case
of an accident. I don't drive faster because I have a seat belt on; I don't
ski questionable slopes because I am wearing a transceiver. 
	richard
From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:47:43 GMT
Subject: Re: Where to go in Steamboat?? Eat cheap?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: momtahan@bnr.ca (Parham Momtahan)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,can.general,ott.general,ott.events,ont.general,ont.events
Subject: Canadian Ski Marathon (World's Longest Ski Tour Event)
Keywords: Ski, XC
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:17:25 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research



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The Canadian Ski Marathon covers 170 kilometers of breathtaking scenery
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- It's not a race... it's a wilderness tour for all ages and abilities!
- Set your own distance- from 12 to 170 km (106 miles) over two days!
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                  first served basis)

Write to: Canadian Ski Marathon, PO Box 400
          Gatineau, Que'bec, J0V 6T9
          Canada.
         (Don't forget to write your name, address, and phone number.)
or call: 819-669-7383
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    Les frais d'inscription augmentent apres chaque echiance. 
    Les reservation au chateau montebello sont acceptees sur la base 
    du premier arrive premier servi.

Postez a: Marathon, BP 400
          Gatineau, Que'bec, J0V 6T9
          Canada.
     (N'oubliez pas d'ecrire votre nom, adresse, et numero de telephone)
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From: mdb@netcom.com (Mark Bisgeier)
Subject: boots
Summary: Boot Advice
Keywords: boots
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 14:37:32 GMT

Anyone have any experience with Technica TNS boots? Rossignol
 Mid 7? Lange 4.8 or 5.5? Techinca/Rossi/Lange in general?

Thanks   Mark B.
-- 

Mark Bisgeier              mdb@netcom.com
Organization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:53:00 -0500 
From: "Harold S. Lessure" <hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Measure Speed? (was Re: Learn on short or long skis?)


sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:

>...measure your speed?.....

It seems to me that you look at your watch, take your run, and look at
the old watch again. Find out how long the run is. 

Avg Speed = distance/time

I guess this should work OK...the problem? How do you find out how long
the runs are? Probably somebody at the resort knows this type of stuff?
Maybe some trail maps may have this info on them? I hope the best way is
not "somersault down the hill, count the somersaults and multiply by
the distance per revolution" :-)

Nope. Asking somebody definitely seems good.

But then again you can't really measure fun anyway.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: d92adali@IDA.LiU.SE (Adam (Beowulf) Lidvik)
Subject: Re: Snowboarders Suck
Organization: CIS Dept, University of Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:07:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.005547.14957@nas.nasa.gov> leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov (Leo Dagum) writes:
>   I snowboarded enough that I could handle intermediate
>   runs ok, and probably will continue to snowboard on poor winters or when
>   conditions are bad so there are no challenging runs open for skiing.  I
>   don't think I'll take snowboarding over skiing though, simply because you
>   can do a lot more on skis than you can on a snowboard.


I have been skiing for about 10-11 years, but now I've gone over to snowboarding.
The reason for this is that it is more fun, that's all. I don't find it being easier
than skiing, in fact I find it harder. Just to go down the slope doesn't take much
practice, about half a day, but to use it fully does.
I don't understand what you mean when you say you can do more with skiis than
with a board. The only thing I miss is climbing up the mountain on skiis, going
down on the untouched powder. Otherwise, what can you do better on skiis?
I think the reason you don't like the board as much is that you aren't as good on
it as on a board.
			Have fun and Shred !!

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THE MIGHTY TINGELING.
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Small tingeling tingelinging
amongst other tingelings
create a tingeling damn tingeling
loud tingelingtingelining.
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From: aviechec@dante.nmsu.edu (Alex Viechec)
Subject: Dynastars for sale
Organization: Blahh...
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:16:03 GMT

Omesofts, 195 cm, been used for two seasons, excellent shape, bases
in perfect condition.  Price negotiable.



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From: ep502ca@pts.mot.com (CHARLES ACTOR X2922 P7091)
Subject: Park City - Snowboarding
Reply-To: ep502ca@pts.mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:22:30 GMT

I'm headed out to Park City Utah in a couple of weeks and am looking for some info
concerning the snow conditions and snowboarding info.  I started boarding last year
and love it (no I'm not in high school and I don't hang out in packs).  I just found
out, after I made reservations that boarding isn't allowed in most places in Utah.
Where in the Park City area are snowboards allowed?  And what are the conditions like?
I'm still new to the sport and am looking for someplace with nice easy  varied terrain.

Thanks!

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From: stek@amazon.pfc.mit.edu
Subject: Killington time share
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:39:16 GMT

Posted for a friend.  Do not reply to this account or  to this BBoard

**************************************************

Time Share House at Killington

- Roaring Brook East
- 2 bedrooms & Loft
- $650/share + pro-rated utilities
- Shareholder may use any time , now to May 31, 1993
- One block to Ski Trail

call Alice Peck 617-244-1577
or send E-Mail to mpuente@world.std.com


From: dcoatney@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Doug Coatney)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:37:35 GMT
Subject: == SOUTH LAKE TAHOE ACCOMMODATIONS ==
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

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  - 4 BR/2 bath cabin/home in South Lake Tahoe
  - Convienent to Heavenly 4 mi
                  Casinos 5 mi
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  dcoatney@hpmpea2.cup.hp.com
  408-447-1927 (work)
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P.S. Christmas thru New Year are already booked just in case
you're curious.
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: What is Mill's Mess
From: shenders@quince.gac.edu (Stephen C Henderson)
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:17:43 -0600

I have been juggling for about 5 year's and I just ran accross this news  
group 5 minutes ago.  I would be really interested in this Mill's mess if  
anyone wants to enlighten me?  thanks alot.
From: tjones@moose.cs.indiana.edu (terry jones)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Convention in Las Vegas
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:57:06 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

In article <1gc2ktINNqcj@agate.berkeley.edu> ronaldb@ocf.berkeley.edu (Ronald Braunstein) writes:
>
>I heard there is a mini convention in Las Vegas in the beginning 
>of January.
>
>Can anyone enlighten me with more details

Seeing as this info might be of interest to lots of people soon, here's
how to get it:

via ftp to moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu (pub/juggling/info/festivals/ija-vegas-93)

OR

send mail to juggling-request@moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu containing the line
send info/festivals/ija-vegas-93

Terry.
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: burtp@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: Mill's Mess
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:09:30 GMT

In article <MARKT.92Dec15132530@wundt.harlqn.co.uk> markt@harlqn.co.uk (Mark Tillotson) writes:
>You could also practice left- and right-handed windmills (where one
>hand throws are under the other hand, catches in normal place), and
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>alternate direction  (which if you do it rapidly enough _is_ Mill's
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Mess)
 ^^^^

the whole point behind mill's mess is that the throw *and* catch are
done while the hands are crossed.  This seems to be the thing people
have the toughest time with.  If you don't catch with your arms
crossed, you are doing nothing more than constant under-arm throws.
This may look identical to mill's, but it isn't quite as fun to do!!!
:)

>Hope some of this is of use---get into a right Mess if you can!
>
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>

good luck!!
phil



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From: x47377b2@usma6.USMA.EDU (Pritchard Sean CDT)
Subject: Juggling stores
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:32:54 EST

Does anyone know of any stores in Chicago or the suburbs that sells juggling 
equipment?  I've lived in the suburbs for years and all I've found is a store
called "Center Stage" in the Fox Valley Mall in Aurora which sells some
Jugglebug stuff.  If you know of any could you please post 'em or mail me 
before Thursday?  After that I'm heading to Chicago for two weeks.

Thanks again...
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