From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Jews in Banks
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:39:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.111759.1876@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:

# In article <1992Nov17.033010.29146@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# > In article <1992Nov16.202637.1867@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
 
# > # In article <1992Nov16.160701.16000@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
 
# > # > In article <BxsnnI.A1I@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
 
# > # >>In article <1992Nov14.200904.1705@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
 
# > # >>>In article <1992Nov10.015508.24588@news.ysu.edu> ad626@yfn.ysu.edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
 
# > # [text deleted]
 
# > # > To say Jews control international banking is ludicrous.  If it were
# > # > true, than Israel wouldn't need loan guarantees, they'd just go to
# > # > the Jewish international bankers with their perfect no-default record,
# > # > no?

# > # Why should Israel go to the bankers direct when generous old Uncle
# > # Sam is good for the touch.  Under the Cranston amendment, Uncle
# > # has also promised to help the perfect no-default record by advancing
# > # money as needed to forestall any delinquency....just roll the
# > # notes as need be.
 
# > 	This is a lie whi was first (I believe) presented on USENT by
# > Yigal Arens.  The fact is that the Cranston amendment only indicated a
# > desire to do something, but id DID NOT AUTHORIZE A SINGLE PENNY of
# > expenditures.  Besides, it was included in a resolution that was
# > effective for only one year.
 
# > # This sounds like pretty powerful financial
# > # clout to me, but don't give Israel all of the credit when probably
# > # most of it should go to AIPAC, a lobby that seems to be well out
# > # of control and working against the best interests of the American
# > # people.
 
# > 	Contrary to popular myth AIPAC is a worthless organization with
# > clout at all.  It has never won a contested battle, and the recent
# > loan gloan gau fiasco showed just how impotent they really are.
 
# If AIPAC is so powerless, then why did the president of the pro-Israel
# lobby resign after being secretly tape recorded while bragging that
# AIPAC was negotiating with the Clinton campaign about key appointments
# and claiming that he had made a deal with James Baker to get Israel
# extra aid?  Harry Katz, AIPAC member, who taped David Steiner's
# conversation, sent the tape to the Washington Times which published
# the news about last Wednesday.  
 
# Katz is quoted as saying "I don't think the Jewish lobby should have
# disproportionate political power" and "I wanted him [Steiner] to admit
# to me the incredible infiltration of the Israel lobby into the
# campaign."  Steiner is said to have bragged about the many people
# "we have" in Clinton's headquarters and how they were all going to
# get big jobs.  He even said "we're negotiating" with the Clinton camp
# on who might be secretary of state.

	He was fired because the whole thing was a lie.

# > 	By the way, what agenda caused you to utter that nonsense about
# > "working against the best interests of the American people"?
 
# Possibly the same agenda that motivates Harry Katz.  My allegiance is
# to this country and its constitution.  I'm tired of seeing the few
# remaining nickels in our near empty coffers siphoned off by foreign
# interest groups.  I'm amazed that our Congress will do so much to
# assist the immigrants of a foreign nation and  so little to help
# the millions of recent immigrants in our own land.

	Listen, just like you and I, AIPAC is the American people whether
you like that or not.  If you are for/against certain policies, you
are free to make up your own lobbying group.  it is disgusting that
you feel those Americans some how are not American enough for you.
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

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