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From: abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick)
Subject: Computer voices
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:08:41 GMT

Did anyone else find it stupid that the Saratoga had the same computer
voice as the Enterprise? I remember that in the old series (namely Gary-7)
Kirk was annoyed with the "new" computer voice calling him "dear". Spock
said that it had been changed in a recent refit. If it is so easy to
change why would all ships have the same voice in TNG?

Alan Bick

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From: z57n@unb.ca (MCKAY  N)
Subject: Re: Chief O'Brien's Rank!
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:11:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.154243.46301@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> gimble@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (David Caruso II) writes:
>From: gimble@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (David Caruso II)
>Subject: Chief O'Brien's Rank!
>Date: 11 Jan 93 15:42:43 CST
>I have a question that I hope someone can answer and agree with me.
>
>WHAT IS O'BRIEN'S RANK?
>-----------------------
>
>	I say it's Lt.  Anyone care to disagree?
>
>Paul.

Yes.  He's a chief Petty Officer.
Neill McKay
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University of New Brunswick, Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Organization: Utopia Planitia Starfleet Yards, Mars
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 14:47:18 GMT

scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) writes:

 >DA> if it's so "settled", then WHY isn't the show called "Deep Space 9"??

 >aesthetically "Deep Space Nine" looks better as a title than "Deep Space 9"

I certainly have to agree with that...

 >but "DS9" looks better as an abbreviation than "DSN".

Naww... (obviously :) I disagree.  Aesthetically, "DSN" looks *much* better.

It also fits right in with all the rest, like: TOS, TAS, TNG, TMS, DSN, etc.
Throwing in a -number- looks as out of place as a Regulan Bloodworm!

 >What do you want, logic?  <g>

From humans??  :->
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Riker in command
Date: 5 Jan 1993 23:38:34 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <16B4DEAFB.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>In article <rawdon.726259552@cs.wisc.edu>
>>What evidence do you have that she was a spy?
>   No evidence, but it would make some of the larger questions in CoC at
>least understandable.  You never know what the writers may be planning
>(or what writers' block they will have) in the future.  [I'm thinking
>specifically of 'Why send Picard' thread.  Data's explanation just did not
>seem to jell.]

	Huh?

	Let's see. Only three Star Fleet officers had extensive theta-band
transmission experience.  Hmmm.....the Cardassians seem to be playing around
with theta-band carrier waves. Two of our experts are out of Star Fleet...
Hey, I know! LET'S SEND SOMEBODY WITH ABSOLUTELY NO EXPERIENCE WITH
THETA-BAND WAVES!

	Riiighhhht......

-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW, Uncle Bonsai Memorial Fan Club
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
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From: ZEINEJOHNSONDS%DFYC@pcmail.usafa.af.mil (D. Satin Zeine-Johnson)
Subject: Re: Old Yellow Eyes Is Back
Keywords: data brent spiner stargazer 
Organization: United States Air Force Academy
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:38:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.021115.16540@indetech.com> janet@indetech.com (Janet Christian) writes:

>In article <1993Jan07.000020.10962@utoday.com> billma@utoday.com (Bill Mallon) writes:
>>There was once a time when I thought that you hadn't lived through really 
>>wonderfully BAD music unless you were at the 1979 John-Williams-In-Space 
>>concert at Madison Square Garden, where William Shatner sat lazily upon a 
>>stool, a cigarette (joint?) dangling from his lips, reciting the words to "Rocket 
>>Man" during a laser light show.
>>    Okay, so I was wrong.
>>    TV Guide recently printed a letter and brief reply about a new album entitled 
>>"Old Yellow Eyes Is Back," by Brent Spiner And The Stargazers (Stewart, Frakes, 
>>Dorn & Burton). Unfortunately, they didn't mention the label it's on or where it's 
>>available.


If you like, call 1-800-STARLAND - they are a huge Sci-Fi collectibles and 
goodies place in Denver, Colorado.  I KNOW they have "Old Yellow Eyes is 
Back" and a few other CDs, because I saw them in their catalog over the 
holidays.  They also have just about anything else Trek or QL or BB or Star 
Wars or you-name -it!  Enjoy.

Satin
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From: frank@fnbc.com (Frank Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Comments on DS9 "Emissary" **SPOILERS**
Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 21:42:21 GMT

In article <2B4C82AE.362C@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
> According to frank@fnbc.com (Frank Mitchell):
> >But, now that you mention it, the replacement Trill host of "The Host"  
seemed
> >not too happy to be there.  (Or maybe it was supposed to be stoic  
resignation,
> >or zombielike lack of intelligence ... this is getting chilling.)
> 
> I think it was lack of intelligence.  It doesn't take intelligence to
> smile...

Smile?  I haven't seen "The Host" in a while, but I remember her one line prior  
to implantation, "I am for <whats-his-name>", being delivered in a monotone,  
with an almost complete lack of expression, maybe a hint of resignation.

--
Frank Mitchell,	Business Systems Analyst, First National Bank of Chicago
email:frank@fnbc.com (NeXTmail)

"'I am that merry wanderer of the night'?  I am that giggling, dangerous,  
totally bloody psychotic menace to life and limb, more like it."
-- Peaseblossom, _Sandman_ #19
From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: More ramblings about DS9
Date: 12 Jan 1993 12:59:51 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1993Jan12.123916.9546@vela.acs.oakland.edu> jmwojtal@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Wojo) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.070528.6492@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cmatting@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Mattingly) writes:
>>As one of my friend's pointed out, it is an interesting fact that
>>the lead character is only a Commander.  Doesn't this mean that any and all
>>ships that come by will have Captains that will outrank him?
>
>I noticed that too.  I thought he would be promoted to Captain by the end of
>the show.  
>
>Why is the Bejayan woman considered "Major"?  I thought she would have a rank
>of Lieutenant Commander (like Data and LaForge).

	Well, Major Kira isn't in Starfleet, she's a member of the Bajoran
military.  Since the Bajoran military is the descendant of terrorists who
fought a (primarily) land war against the Cardassians, they'd probably have
army-type ranks.

	Also, although visisting ships' captains will outrank him, he's not
in their chain of command.  I don't know what military protocol for a situation
like this would be, though.  Star Trek always used to work around this by 
having starbase commanders be Commodores, Captains, or Admirals.

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From: trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao)
Subject: Re: DS9 possible error (Spoilers)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 09:46:08 GMT

In article <YfGp_AS00WBM44D3Ep@andrew.cmu.edu> zg03+@andrew.cmu.edu (Zafrir E. Gan) writes:
>
>   As we saw in the first few minutes the ship gets destroyed.  Clearly
>that ship was going into battle with the Borg.  Why would a ship go into
>battle with non-combatants such as the women and children.  When I say
>women and children I mean non-personel.  Other than this I give the show
>two tumbs up.


I believe Cmmdr. Shelby comes up with idea to separate the saucer before going
into battle in the _Best of Both Worlds_ (the episode from whose plot this 
sequence is taken).  If I remember correctly, Commander Riker said that this
should probably not be done, becuase the E might end up needing the extra 
energy from the saucer section's impulse engines.  It might be the same in 
this case.

P.S. I'm not sure exactly who came up with the idea and who decided against
it, so don't quote me on that.  However, I do know that this was the 
reasoning behind it.

Live Long and Prosper.

Sanjai Rao.
From: cmackin@bu.edu (Carl Mackin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Dax is too thin!
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:44:20 GMT
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>Why do they keep changing sex when they change bodies?

I would think that they would simply get bored existing in
male after male after male.  This adds variety to their
life-span.  I, if I were a Trill, would want to experience 
new things in each lifetime.

-Mac
From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
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Subject: Re: Why aren't there any black aliens?
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:39:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1993Jan8.111216.1791@gserv1.dl.ac.uk>, atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk writes...
>In article L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM, L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM () writes:

what about those aliens from Sharon.  You know, the Riddler and the other guy.
They were both black and white, and they did not wonder about it like 
Michael Jackson has.

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From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Space Rangers SUCKS BIG TIME!!!
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:05:43 GMT

STTOS characters are military professionals
STTNG characters are business professionals (24th century yuppies)
Space Ranger characters are blue collar, California bimbos
From: david@elwood.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Date: 8 Jan 93 01:31:39 GMT

I use "DS9" when vocally discussing Deep Space Nine and they call
it "DS9" in the show.  I vote on refering to it as DS9 rather
than DSN.
-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
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From: S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Chief? O'Brien
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:28:27 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

Something to chew on on the O'Brien rank discussion.

Perhaps O'Brien was a CPO and was promoted to Warrent Officer (W-1) or
(less likely) was a Warrent Officer (or CPO) and was promoted to ensign.
Do you actually have to attend Starfleet's version of OCS to become an
officer?  (Ol' Weasely Crusher didn't...boy, I bet that pissed off a lot
of senior enlisted personnel!)

Also; what was the plot of the episode _The_Inner_Light_?  I cannot
place it.

                                   -=Road Warrior=-
From: cc6e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Chris D Castro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: SHIP CLASSIFICATIONS II
Date: 10 Jan 93 12:07:03 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


   A while back I asked if anyone knew about the different ship classes
in ST.  My thanks to the Road Warriors, who pointed out that Capt. Ben
Maxwell's ship (from The Wounded) was of the Nebula class, rather than
the Renaissance class.  (Apparently the Renaissance class only exists in
the dark recesses of my mind).
    Someone else asked about ship types and I thought that I'd post what
I dug out of The ST:TNG Companion.  The following ship classes, besides
the obvious Constitution, Excelsior, Ambassador, and Galaxy, are
mentioned: Oberth, Cheyenne, Challenger, Springfield, Freedom, Niagara,
New Orleans, Nebula, Rigel, and Miranda.
    However, no description is given of these ships and I have no clue
how they compare to one another.  It seems that the Oberth is a fairly
small research vessel (like the Vico from the 5th season episode Hero
Worship).  The Miranda class (e.g. the Brattain from the 5th season
Night Terrors) also seems pretty small.  The Nebula class starship, I
believe, falls between the Ambassador and Galaxy class with regard to
crew size and firepower.

Chris Castro
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Repeat of Relics was edited
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:27:33 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <4684@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
>In case you didn't notice, the recent airing of Relics was edited, in order
>to add another 30 second DS9 promo.  Because I failed to start a tape soon
>enough (I didn't need Relics, but remembered the possibility of another
>promo), I don't know if anything was edited from the teaser.

It was edited far worse in Boston - mainly because of a football game
immediately before.  "We now return you to your regularly scheduled program,
already in progress."  Gack.

:-)

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

No optimistic outlook survives contact with the human race.
From: rccarm00@nx19.mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: _Shell_Game_ (Pocket Books blunders again)
Date: 11 Jan 93 01:18:34 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: nx19.mik.uky.edu!rccarm00

Review of _Shell_Game_ by Melissa Crandall


    This book could be summed up quite well with one sentence, three words
long:  Promising but unfulfilling.

Possible *SPOILERS* ahead:


    The premise is quite good; the first Romulan space station ever encoun-
tered makes for lots of possibilities.  Unfortunately, there are simply
too many gaping holes in the execution -- but we'll get to that later.
    The characters are completely flat; the reader is left unable to care
much about what happens to them.  Perhaps this could be attributed to
the poor dialogue; it's stilted and unbelievable most of the time...

    Now let's get back to the plot -- or what we're supposed to believe
is a plot.  Actually, I guess this is (barely) a passable adventure.
But that's only if you're able to shut off your brain while reading.
In addition to the plot problems, I would be highly surprised if anyone
proofread this at all... the editing was *that* lousy.  In one section
(somewhere around page 180) a paragraph is printed *twice*.  Bad grammar
runs rampant, yielding such phrases as "...continued to watch the Chekov..."
    On to the plot problems...  Like I said, the idea of a Romulan space
station is a good one.  But too many questions are left unanswered.
What were the Romulans planning to use the station for?  Where did the
creature come from?  How did it get on the station to begin with?
And the ending is a deux ex machina if ever I saw one.  It's established
that the creature must acclimate to each new source of enerby before it
can feed on it... Then how can the creature feed on an explosion???
The author painted herself into a corner, and couldn't find a way out.
Bad, bad, bad...  My final impression: Big deal.

                                   [Shell Game]
                 Characterization: 2
                          Premise: 4+
                    Plot Handling: 2
                        Narrative: 1 

                            Total: 2 

RC Carman
 
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From: tom@europa.lonestar.org (Tom Kimball)
Subject: Re: Need info about Federation politics
Organization: Moria Mining Guild (BBS) -- Dallas, Texas, USA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:43:50 GMT

In article <58ZZwB2w165w@berry.Cary.NC.US> pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
>cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone) writes:
>
>> Does anyone have any information, canon or otherwise, about the political
>> structure of the Federation, its politicians, or anything along these
>> lines?
>
>From what we see in the movies, the political structure of the
>Federation is very strange.  In particular, the line between military

agreed.

>One begins to wonder if the Federation is a military junta, ruled
>outright by the officers of Starfleet.  In fact, except for the
>President (who may be a mere figurehead), we have never seen any
>civilian in any position of authority.

The Trouble with Tribbles had a Federation Undersecretary of Agriculture.

-- 
Tom Kimball  			tom@europa.lerctr.org    
tom@europa.lonestar.org		tom%europa@egsner.cirr.com
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From: jawiles@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY ALLEN WILES)
Subject: Re: Best Episode?
Originator: jawiles@c00058-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jawiles@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY ALLEN WILES)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:10:37 GMT


Can't go with just one, so here are my top 5 in alphabetical order:

Best of Both Worlds    (* good score, good plot *)
Conspiracy             (* Will the aliens return ... *)
Darmok                 (* Truly unique, Enterprise NOT SO BIG AND BAD *)
Peak Performance       (* Love to hate Kanorami !! *)
Yesterday's Enterprise (* Best battle scenes to date! *)

Honorable mention:

Arsenal of Freedom     (* The sales pitch from hell! *)
Brothers               (* "I am not less perfect than Lore" *)
Inner Light            (* Another unique episode.  Brilliant! *)
Measure of a man       (* Data is a toaster -- NOT!! *)
Q-Who                  (* Again, the Enterprise NOT SO BIG AND BAD *)

... and no list would be complete without the list WORST EPISODES:

The Game               (* Stupid plot device, boo Wesley!! *)
Last Mission           (* Why couldn't Wesley die :( *)        
Reunification II       (* God, what a lame disappointment *)
Tin Man                (* Rather cornball episode *)
When the Bough Breaks  (* Somehow just rubbed me the wrong way ... *)

... and finally, I noticed that the TWO PARTERS don't seem to make too many of
the lists, with the EXCEPTION of BOBW.  I wonder...  Any flames or comments
are appreciated :)

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From: michael@mosaic.cs.umass.edu (Michael Kieras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9: Bajoran leader & Monty Python
Date: 12 Jan 93 05:37:15 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <1993Jan8.192447.25247@ee.gatech.edu> su@eedsp.gatech.edu (Jonathan Su) writes:
>Every time I saw the Barjoran spiritual/religious leader, I was immediately
>reminded of Brian's mother in Monty Python's "Life of Brian."  As a result, I
>couldn't sit through any of her scenes without cracking up.  Anyone else see
>such a similarity?

I didn't notice the similarity (until you pointed it out), but I did
think the "orb" bore a striking resemblance to the grail-shaped beacon
above the Castle Anthrax in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" (at least
in shape).  Thus, I kept remembering Michael Palin's voice asking "It's
not the real grail?"

Michael Kieras
michael@cs.umass.edu

"All the other kings said I was daft to build a castle in a swamp, but
I built it anyway.  Just to show 'em!"
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From: ALI00BAW@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
Subject: Re: trill
Organization: UNC Charlotte
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:52:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.001204.8916@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>
demetri@cgrg.ohio-state.edu writes:
 
>
>What's in it for the host?
I have two sugggestions:
 
1. The "host" would get to share in the "worm's" knowledge, memories,
and perhaps some of those of the previous hosts.
 
2.  The "host" would get to travel and see things s/he never would otherwise.
I imagine that people serving as "hosts" would constitute a priviliged class
on the Trill homeworld.
From: dl91@ecs.soton.ac.uk (D Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Data Alien 3 Doctor?
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:15:45 GMT

No, the doctor in Alien 3 was played by Charles Dance, as I remember.

Right, enough of that. 

According to Satellite TV, the last 'new' episode of ST:TNG is on
January 14th, "Best of Both Worlds, Part I". The following day has
a repeat of "Encounter at Farpoint, Part I". However, an unnamed 
episode the week after is described roughly as :
"Captain Picard is still trapped on the alien/Borg vessel",
which would suggest BOBW, Part II. Wuz gon on?
From: BARNESD@vax1.elon.edu (Danny Barnes  )
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Subject: Re: Best Episode?
Date: 10 Jan 1993 21:29:29 GMT
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In <kboss35.726532161@ursa> kboss35@ursa.calvin.edu writes:

> Actually...(sorry if this strays from the subject), they
> should make "Q-in-Law" into an episode.  Lwaxana is
> hilariously devious with revenge!  

I agree!  Q-In-Law was one of the best novels I've ever read!  Paramount should
look into writing the screenplay.