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From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Subject: Re: A QUESTION ABOUT ICE CREAM CONES...
Keywords: Cone, Blue Jays, Shit!, AL East 
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:52:40 GMT

In article <27AUG199217390609@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch) writes:
>In article <7335@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu>, fvaughn@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (Frederick Vaughn) writes...
>>So, exactly who are the Mets getting from the BLOWJays in exchange
>>for Dave Cone?
>
>A box of official National League Baseballs, 2 free tickets to a future
>Toronto Blue Jays World Series Game, and a $10 gift certificate good at
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well, as long as they weren't going anyway....

>the Hard Rock Cafe in the Skydome.  
>
>Actually, I think they got Jeff Kent and the immortal PTBNL.
>
>Please don't flame me for this, but 
>
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH
>HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>If you don't mind, I'm going to go drink a lot right now.
>
>While you never know, I think this ends the race in the East, unless Toronto
>trades for Jeff Reardon or something.  Toronto still lacks depth in the 
>rotation, but this will go a long way toward making the Blow Jays' lead
>hold up down the stretch.
>
>If I were a Mets fan, I'd be jumping off of a tall building right now.

That's, of course, why they have so many in New York.   :}
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Bruce 'Slower than Sam Horn' Hasch                 hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
>
>A VERY depressed Orioles fan, hoping for a miracle (Will the Cubs trade
>Greg Maddux--we'll give you Bill Ripken and some skybox tickets to a future
>game at the Yard)
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------

RStimets
Organization: Senior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:26:33 -0400 
From: Pravin Devineni Ratnam <pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Fighting & Baldwin(pens)




I think Howard Baldwin is wrong in attacking fighting in the NHL at
those committee meetings.. He could campaign for reducing fighting by
proposing to introduce a few new minor deterrances.But I don't think
it's worthwhile to campaign for virtually total elimination of fighting. 

I think he should concentrate more on eliminating the cheap stickwork
engaged by gutless players. I don't mind an occasional fight. Frequent
fighting could be penalised heavily. That would take care of full time
goons to a certain extent. We need 3 referees who can call most of the
cheap stickwork.


If the referees make the right calls, you won't see so much fighting.


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From: psycho@brtpa25.bnr.ca (Paul Jezioranski)
Subject: Lies, Damn Lies, & Statistics (was Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Reply-To: psycho@brtpa25.bnr.ca (Paul Jezioranski)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 20:44:09 GMT

Since we've all gone into gory detail about how much better Tony
Phillips, Lou Whitaker, and Mickey Tettleton are than Cecil Fielder, I
thought I'd delve into another issue.

I brought up the example of using opposing pitcher's ERA in the
RBI/PA/RISP equation to illustrate that these statistics are getting
absurd. If you are going to go into gory detail about each hitter than
go all the way:

	How about RBI vs. Plate Appearances with Runners in Scoring Position
	taking into account opposing pitcher's ERA plus day vs. night games
	(ball generally carries better in hotter air) plus opponents' fielding
	pct. plus avg. wind speed and direction for each day, accounting for
	left or right handed pitcher, plus actual base that the RISP are on
	plus how many guys are out, plus whether there's a guy on first (a DP
	may affect whether he gets an RBI) plus whether the umpire was 
	scratching his left testicle while the pitch was occurring....

Why don't we bemoan all of those RBI that Lou Gehrig had. Hell, Babe Ruth was
batting in front of him most of the time. Let's yank him from the Hall of 
Fame.

Any statistic you can come up with is bound to be affected by countless "what
ifs". Keep it simple. Games played, runs scored, hits, walks, RBI, etc. (i.e.
the basics) give a solid idea of hitting performance. Sure there may be some
misleading info, but many of the other stats you can present can also be
equally as misleading.

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Paul Jezioranski			|	What, me worry??
psycho@bnr.ca				|
Bell-Northern Research, Inc. RTP, NC	|
From: streeter@cs.unca.edu (Tom Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: HURRICANE ANDREW...
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:43:09 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville

In article <92238.233207IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Ryan Robbins <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>I was thinking earlier today while at work: I wonder if the schedulers
>for next year's schedule have made sure that Miami is not at home
>during late August and early September...
>
>By the way, hurricanes are no excuse for domes, either. What good
>would a baseball game be without anyone around to see it? Not to
>mention the havoc it would play on the roof...
>
>+===============================================================+

Houston has been known to be affected by hurricanes, and until this year
no one seemed to think that sending them on the road for a month was a
particularly useful thing to do.  

I don't remember if the Astros were home or on the road when Alicia hit
a few years back, but I remember spending the night in the Dome ticket
office back in '79 or '80 when a tropical depression hit and the
flooding was so bad the game was cancelled.  Those of us who worked
there (and had come in that day) were stuck.  I believe that was the
first time they'd ever had to cancel an event at the Dome due to
weather.  It was actually kind of fun -- ARA broke out some tables and
set them up on the field and they served the food that would have been
used in the press and player buffets.  It was actually a pretty good
time for the hundred or some odd who were there.


-- 
Tom Streeter                                |   streeter@cs.unca.edu
Dept. of Mass Communication                 |   704-251-6227
University of North Carolina at Asheville   |   Opinions expressed here are
Asheville, NC 28804                         |   mine alone.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Under The Gun Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Canseco Trade....It's not enough that you steal him...You WHINE!
Summary: You can't REALLY believe this tripe you write, can you?
Keywords: You're JOKING, right, Buckwheat?
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:03:17 GMT
Organization: Kevlar Bleacher Concessions, Ltd. (Arlington Branch)

(Tom "Yes, I use DUH as a verb" Hyatt) writes:

>In what has to be the strangest and (IMO) most insane trade in Texas Rangers'
>history, the Rangers have traded starting pitcher Bobby Witt, closing reliver
>Jeff Russell, and outfielder Ruben Sierra to the Oakland A's for Jose Canseco.
> 
>Can anyone out there figure out what was going through George W. Bush's and
>Tom Grieve's collective minds when this came down?

Uh, *I* have a pretty good idea.  Shall I clue you in?

1. They get the BEST power hitter in baseball, signed to a long term
deal, at considerably less than market price.  BTW - this guy can also
play defense, walks, and has reasonable speed.

Canseco has been playing in the worst hitter's park in the AL since
his arrival in the league.  OAC deflates home runs greatly, deflates
offense overall by about 10%.  He's moving FROM there to a homer
haven.  No doubt his increased production will be explained as being
due to 'a better clubhouse atmosphere' in Texas.

Furthermore, in moving from a somewhat chilly climate to a warm on in
Texas, it's likely that Canseco's recurring back problems will not
bother him as much, allowing him to play more ball games.

2. The Rangers shave expenses for now, dumping Russell's and Sierra's
salaries onto the Haas family.

3. Basically, the Rangers give up nothing.  Witt is replacable,
Russell isn't worth the money he was being paid, and Sierra is Canseco
lite - at more money.  

What the HELL are you thinking?

>I'm not one who
>really likes the high-profile players of limited talent (yes, Canseco is of 
>LIMITED talent) 

Limited to MVP at age 24.  Limited to a .350 OBP and .550 SLG in the
worst hitters' park in the AL.  Limited to 27 HR on the road last year,
despite nagging injuries which will abate in Texas.  Don't let your
dislike for the media's portrayal of Canseco cloud your vision.  You
just robbed my beloved A's blind.  At the very worst, you trade
Canseco for about five reasonable pitching prospects.

>And I thought that the Vikings got the shaft with the 
>Walker deal with the Cowboys....... Geez.

You're right - they did.  Why is that relevant here?  The deal is a
big question mark for Oakland, but an unmitigated plus for the
Rangers.

-- 
*  Gary Huckabay  * "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHH!" *
*  "Stalking the  * - G. Huckabay, E. Gelatt, J. Zuhars, B. Lynn,        *
*     Alderson    *   D. Cleary, S. Tegenfeldt, D. White, J. Chu, D. Lo, *
*    Household."  *   K. Low, A. Rubin, L. Patrick, Aug. 31, 1992.       *
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Twins' record against individual teams in the AL
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:38:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20124
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

I am coming up with the record of the Twins against individual
teams in the American League so far this season. After the
week-end series with the Jays at the Sky-dome, this Friday
Saturaday & Sunday, the Twins will complete their league
engagements for this season with the AL-East. The rest 27
games will be played in the own division, the AL-West.

Again the Twins have a winning record against the East and just
above 500 against the West, which means that they face an uphill
task in their rest of the way in the AL-West race. In the East the
Twins as of now do not have a losing record to any team. The Twins
have feasted upon Boston & Detroit and have split the season series
with the Orioles, Indians & Yankees. In the west it is a different
story. The Twins have a losing record against Texas, Kansas & the
Sox and have slaughtered the Angels. They remain tied with the As
and the Mariners 

TWINS RECORD AGAINST INDIVIDUAL TEAMS

AL-EAST

TEAM      GAMES    WON      LOST
-----------------------------------
Toronto     9       5        4 

Baltimore  12       6        6 

New York   12       7        5 

Claveland  12       6        6 

Milwaukee  12       6        6 

Detroit    12       9        3 

Boston     12       9        3 
------------------------------------
Total      81      48       33 
----------------------------------------

AL-WEST

TEAM      GAMES    WON      LOST
------------------------------------
Chicago     9       3        6 

Oakland    10       5        5 

Seattle    10       5        5 

Texas      11       5        6 

Kansas      7       3        4

California  6       6        0
-------------------------------------
Total      53      27       26 
-----------------------------------

Grand     134      75       59 
Total
------------------------------------

S.H
Win or lose; Twins forever.....
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: dbloom@bnr.ca (David Bloom P025)
Subject: Re:Boggs Toronto Bound?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:35:04 GMT

Wade Boggs and Dave Magadan are similar players. 
Usually a high average, high OBP, walk alot,
and are slow around the base paths. Only, Magadan
will not command the kind of salary that Boggs
will. Magadan is a younger underrated version
of Wade Boggs.            

        1. Boggs (3rd)       or   1. Magadan (3rd)
        2. Alomar(2nd base)       2. Alomar(2nd base)
        3. Carter(OF)             3. Carter(OF)
        4. Winfield(DH)           4. Winfield(DH)
        5. Olerud (1st base)      5. Olerud (1st base)
        6. Maldanado (OF)         6. Maldanado (OF)
        7. White (OF)             7. White (OF)
        8. Borders(C)             8. Borders(C)
        9. Lee (S)                9. Lee (S)
From: gt0317c@prism.gatech.EDU (BHANSALI,ANIL P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: expansion draft
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:44:56 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Can someone please explain how the expansion draft works: who needs to be
protected, how many more players can be protected once a player has been
taken, how many rounds, etc.

thank you
bonzo

-- 
BHANSALI,ANIL P
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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Internet: gt0317c@prism.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: Wrigley wind or not: that is the question
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:57:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Boo!  
Keywords: Wind blowing out of Wrigley

In <1992Aug27.213014.27468@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> epstein@sparc9.cs.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein) writes:

>In <1992Aug26.174911.11589@panix.com> spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:

>>Well, first off, when Stats, Inc. analyzed the effect of wind at Wrigley
>>Field last year, they found that:
>>
>>1) When the wind blows in, Wrigley is a neutral park.
>>2) When the wind blows sideways (most of the time), Wrigley is an excellent
>>hitters' park.
>>3) When the wind blows out, Wrigley has 15-12 games.

>Uh, to be a little picky, what's the difference between 2 and 3?  (Is
>15-12 not indicative of good conditions for the hitters?)

Well, its indicative of great conditions for hitters.

Stats came up with the following information for '90-'91:

Wind Direction    AB     R/G
Out to Left      1109   11.38
Out To Center    1143   11.94
Out To Right     1806   11.12

Left to Right    1795    9.12
Right To Left    1292    9.63

In From Left     923     6.77
In From Center   1576    7.61
In From Right    1244    9.78

Not Recorded     575    10.13

Of the games in '90-'91 measured, the wind blew out 37% of the time, in
35%, and across 28%.  R/G averaged 11.4 with the wind blowing out, 9.3
with the wind blowing across, and 8.1 with the wind blowing in.  League
average is 8.3 runs per game.

Greg 
-- 
  spira@panix.com       "The one-O delivery to Fisk.  He swings.  Long drive,  
 cmcl2!panix!spira      left field!  If it stays fair, it's gone!  Home Run!"  
158-17 Riverside Dr.                     Ned Martin, 10/22/75   
Whitestone NY 11357          (Insert your favorite baseball moment here)
From: yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rick Lin )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Wrigley wind or not: that is the question
Keywords: Wind blowing out of Wrigley
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:52:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

>I have a question. Since I personally find it hard to believe that the Cubs 
>have the best staff in the NL, has anyone checked how often the wind has been 
>blowingout of Wrigley this year. I know that in Boston the weather has been 
>cooler than normal this year, and I would like to know if this is also true in 
>the Midwest. I do remember that cooler weather meant that it was less likely 
>that the wind would blow out of Wrigley, and if this is true, this could be why 
>the Cubs have a lower ERA than I would have suspected from their staff and 
>their team has hit somewhat worse than I would have believed.

>					Sincerely yours,

>					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"


Wel.. Personally I don't think the wind can affect pitching that much.  The
Cubs pitching staff have something like a 2.99 ERA.  I mean, Cubs pitchers
must be doing something right.  If the wind blows out all the time, I don't
think the Cubs staff ERA would jump to 3.80 or something like that.  Mind you 
the other half of the Cubs games are on the road too.
From: gt9911a@prism.gatech.EDU (SUNDAR)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Deliberate loss?
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:00:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institure of Technology, Atlanta , GO BRAVES

In article <1992Sep2.161028.18337@rigel.econ.uga.edu> jvariyam@ada.stat.uga.edu (jayachandran n variyam) writes:
>
>   Do the Braves have any games remaining with Pirates?
>If so what would be their strategy now that they have a
>comfortable lead in the West? Given that they would rather
>play Pirates than the Expos for the division title, would
>they choose to lose?  Can someone recount what happened
>in similar situations before?
 
 Eventhough Braves are up by 7.5 games, we should not get complacent. I think
Reds still have a chance. I think both Pirates and Expos would be a difficult
team to play.The person who really scares me in Pirates is the Knuckleballer  
Wakefield.    I do not think it is fair to say it would be better to play
Pirates rather than Expos. Moreover Braves have played all games against Pirates
and they have only one game left against Expos. So the Braves can't really
affect the standing in the eastern division. 

"A cricket fanatic converted to a baseball fanatic" 

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SCHOOL OF CHEMICAL ENGINEERING         * *   AND MY HEART BELIEVES IT   
GEORGIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY        * *   THEN I KNOW I CAN ACHIEVE IT       ATLANTA GA 30332                       * *                 -Rev Jesse Jackson  
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From: dickh@tribe.esd.sgi.com (Dick Harkness)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Huge Rangers/Athletics trade
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:53:17 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <31AUG199223240777@deimos.ucc.umass.edu>, s5170748@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (THAN LEE) writes:
|> Just heard about the deal...Canseco to Texas for Sierra, Witt, and Russell.
|> At first I thought Texas gave up too much, but then I realized that Sierra
|> was gone at the end of the year anyway, and Russell has been (as always) a
|> spotty closer.  What will the A's do with Russell?  Use him as a set-up man?
|> Or possibly trade him to a needy team like Cleveland for some young talent?
|> Geez, what a TRADE!
|> 
|> Nathaniel Lee

I agree that Russell has been a spotty closer, and the A's certainly don't meed him, but I reject the notion that the Indians would want him...they are going for youth, not moderately talented veterans.  The Tribe's bullpen has been a strong point for them this year and they also have some hot arms in the minors.  Trade Russell? Yes.  To the Indians? No.

Dick Harkness
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: MLB Standings and Scores for Fri, Aug 28th, 1992
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:37:13 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

thf2@midway.uchicago.edu wrote:
}>
}>        MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL STANDINGS FOR FRIDAY, AUGUST 28, 1992
}>
}>		     Won   Lost   Pct.    GB   Last 10   Streak   Home   Road
}>NATIONAL WEST
}>Atlanta Braves        74    50    .597    --     z4-6    Lost 3  39-24  35-26
}>Cincinnati Reds       71    54    .568   3.5     z6-4     Won 4  41-19  30-35
}
}Hmmm -- this race is closer than I thought.  The Reds have an extra five games
}at home, and if they play the way they've been playing, they'll go 14-7 at
}home and 8-8 on the road for a 93-69 finish.  Which means the Braves need
}to play 20-12 (.625) ball to finish a game ahead.

Your math is off - if Cincy goes 22-15 the rest of the way, Atlanta would
need to go only 20-18 (or 20-17) to finish ahead.

}                               Do Atlanta and Cincinnati have another
}series?

Cincy @ Atlanta, September 9 & 10
Atlanta @ Cincy, September 15, 16, & 17

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
"Distant cousins, there's a limited supply ...
                                           big-eyed beans from Venus!"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: AL Rookie of the Year
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 04:36:58 GMT

In article <9208240312.AA22263@fsa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> du@CPSC.UCALGARY.CA (Kevin Du) writes:
>I have a simple question:
>
>Does Dave Fleming of the Seattle Mariners have a chance of winning the
>American League Rookie of the Year award?  I'm a fan of him, but most of
>the people I've asked has said Pat Listach will probably win if everything
>continues the way they have so far.

Personally, I would pick Listach, because he has been way above average for
a shortstop this year.  Fleming has pitched very well, but his W-L numbers have
really been the result of the support he got.  I believe he has a number of
cheap wins.
>
>Also, why is Mike Mussina ineligible?  I don't recall him pitching a lot
>last season.

Mussina pitched 87 2/3 innings last year, which is way more than the maximum.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: 'Ol George goes for 3000, BUT ...
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:45:36 GMT

In article <2225@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu> hobbs@cs.wvu.wvnet.edu writes:
>It looks like Brett has a pretty good chance at getting to 3000
>hits this year. I wonder about the price to the Royals though.
>...
>Other
>explanations are possible but I guess I think George is looking for
>hits at the expense of walks. He's not the first guy to substitute
>personal goals for team success but it's distasteful to see it.

I disagree.  He may be putting his personal goals first, but it is not
at all distasteful.  After all, the Royals aren't in contention for
anything.  Is his behavior upsetting his teammates?  I doubt it.

Brett has given *so* much to the Royals in the past, that I think they
owe him a couple courtesies now.  Like helping him in his quest for
3000 hits, now that they are out of contention.  McRae has even talked
of batting Brett leadoff if necessary.

Cheers,
-Valentine

-- 
Clemens may not win his 4th CY, but he still rules!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
From: pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Oh Cone-da!
Date: 27 Aug 1992 20:02:35 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

You'd also think the Mets would have learned from the
terrible Viola trade.  Think the Mets would be better
off with those five pitchers they gave up for him?

Hey, I hear the player to be named later will be
Alfredo Griffin.


Hehehehe...just kidding about that last line.
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