From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
Subject: Re: BUSH IS A NEO_NAZI! AND A LIAR
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:19:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.212123.22530@infonode.ingr.com>, crossgl@infonode.ingr.com (Gordon Cross) writes:
> In article <1992Sep8.165741.12000@b8.b8.ingr.com> larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings) writes:
> 
> >> >I am against all methods of taking away the Bill of Rights.
> >> 
> >> ... you mean like the *Republicans* "war on drugs"???
> >
> >Give me a paragraph number where The Bill of Rights says "You have the right
> >to committ CRIMES.  It was not in the copy I read in school!!!
> 
> Regardless of whether or not you think the government has the authority to
> regulate drugs (I say that the 10th amendment says it does not); I am talking
> about seizures of people's property *without due process of law* (no trial
> and hence presumption of guilt) WHICH IS IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE 5TH
> AMENDMENT!!!!!
> -- 

The fifth admendment as I recall is the one which says you cannot be forced to 
incriminate yourself.  I don't recall it refering to seizures of property...

But to return to the start of this whole issue, I believe someone posted
something seen on the TV series "street stories" about the government taking
the peoples home, not charging them with any crime, etc. etc.  Well, personally
I don't watch the show, but from the advertisement I saw for them the other
night, I would have to discount anything they had on the show.
----The ad is as follows---  "        
"SO you think seatbelts will save your life?  THINK AGAIN!!!
they then showed someone hitting seatbelts lightly with something (I could not
tell what) and they would fly open.

First off, let's forget about all the professionals (police officers, insurance
adjusters, etc.) who have investigated auto accidents and said "If you had not
been wearing a seatbelt you would have been killed" and get down to personal
experience.
I have driven over 300,000 miles in my own personal vehicles, and if I drive I
use a seatbelt.  Also when I was in the navy I had the government equivelent
of a chafeurs license, (I was authorized to drive any Navy vehicle up to
tractor/trailer rigs) so I drove a lot of trucks (I drove anytime the
department needed to haul anything).  When I got out of the navy and started
at Intergraph I traveled a lot for the company being out of town anywhere from
10 weeks a year to 34 weeks a year, always renting cars when I traveled.
BAsically I have driven a lot of vehicles of different types, and put an
extremly high number of miles on them, and I NEVER once found a single seatbelt
that I could jar or shake loose, including times when I was in a hurry and 
forgot to unfasten it before jumping out of the car.
I, therefore conclude that Street Stories is just another example of B/S on
the TV and a telivised version of the National Enquirer or other Scandal RAG
and should not be believed, regardless of what they say.  I tend to disbelieve
the incedent ever occured that got the discussion started in the first place,
but IF a law is on the books that says they can seize property (and I'm sure
it is) THEN, your only recourse is to try and change the law, or challenge it
in the supreme court.  Calling someone a NAZI because he inforces the laws
on the books and uses maximum penalties available, is totally uncalled for!!!

Larry Billings