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From: rrahn@emdeng.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Russel.H.Rahn)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: High rep sets (was Re: wrist strength)
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:35:57 GMT
Reply-To: rrahn@emdeng.UUCP (Russel.H.Rahn)
Organization: NCR, E&M Dayton

In article <1992Apr2.144634.6663@trantor.harris-atd.com> mvm@caesun6.UUCP (Matt Mahoney) writes:
>wittmann@engr.wisc.edu (art wittmann) writes:
>>
>>|> dmocsny@piglet.UUCP (Daniel Mocsny) writes:
>>|>  
>>|> =Light weights do not necessarily mean a less strenuous or less 
>>|> =effective workout...

>
>I typically do high-rep sets in aerobics about once a week, and it can
>be a humbling experience at first.  At 100 reps, there is little or no 
>difference in strength between men and women.
>
>Now I go into aerobics and we do 200 crunches, then point our feet in the
>air and do 100 more.  Sorry, but after 10 feet-up crunches, my abs are
>burning.  Most of the other men have give up at this point as well.  
>Women seem to have no trouble with this exercise.
>

Don't forget that weight distribution on women is different than
on men.  Have you ever tried the trick where you bend over with
your back perpendicular to the floor, and your head against the wall,
pick up something relatively
light, and then try to stand back up (I think this is how it goes)?

A man cannot do it, whereas a woman can.  It is because so much of
a man's weight is at the chest and shoulder area.  Imagine what a
women with a 32" waist and 44" chest/bust would look like.  Compare
that with how normal a man looks with those measurements.  Also, because
men are generally taller than women, their bodies (torsos) are
longer, putting this weight further out on the situp lever.  Men's
muscles might just be wearing out sooner because they are doing
much much more work on each lift.  This is not to take anything
away from a woman who can perform these kinds of exercises at
this number of reps!!!

Stop reading at this point.  My mailer requires that I add more
than I keep from an earlier message.  I tried to cut out all
that I could and still have people know what I was talking
about.  Because of this, I am forced to add this filler at
the end of my message.  It seems like a waste, but we've
got to do what we've got to do :-) :-).

There, that ought to be enough.  If you have this requirement
also, and you know how to get around it in a less wasteful
manner, please e-mail me with your ideas!!!

Russel.H.Rahn
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 13:36:39 EDT
From: Rick Marsico <RICK@ysub.ysu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Heavy curls
 <1992Apr16.102311.19396@doug.cae.wisc.edu>

A word of caution, if you are going to attempt moderate to heavy barbell curls
for reps, wear a belt.  You will not maintain perfect form through the set and
a great deal of stress will be placed on the lower back.
  ^^^^^
Rick
From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Protein
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:52:07 GMT
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

In article <4601@cluster.cs.su.oz.au>, geoffl@extro.ucc.su.oz.au (Geoff Langdale) writes:
> In article <1992Apr2.111340.4735@ac.dal.ca> jpeach@ac.dal.ca writes:
+ +As it is now, most North Americans eat twice as much protein as they need.
+ +This is the same amount that a high performance athlete need.  20 to 30%
+ +of you calories (actually kilocalories) should come from protein.  If you
+ 
+ Rubbish.
+ 
+ Most North Americans eat nearly all their protein in one big meal (dinner),
+ exceeding their capability to absorb protein (usually) and as a result, getting
+ substantially less protein than a strength athlete or bodybuilder needs as a 
+ result.
+ 
+ Spread out the protein you get and the story is different.
+ 

I have not seen any scientific research to back up this claim. However,
I would be happy to read any studies which you can cite to back up
your claim that the previous posting is 'rubbish'. Anecdotal stories
are not acceptable scientific evidence.

-- 
  Terry Linhardt                uunet!jgaltstl!terry                  
                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu  
                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@uunet.uu.net
From: jm0b@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Janet McMonagle)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: How Many Calories???
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:32:42 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I am looking for some advice.  I have been hearing lots of chatter regarding
the disasterous effects of lowering your metabolism if you do not consume
enough calories.  Along with these statements, 2,000 calories per day are
always mentioned.  But this number can't apply to everyone!

How would one go about determining the proper calorie count for their age,
height, particular body structure and activity level?  I do not want to lose
any weight, but would like to lose some excess body fat without getting
smaller (too skinny).  I am aware that I must keep my fat intake low, eat a
good percentage of carbs, work out aerobically, and do some weight lifting.
All this I am doing now, however, I have no feel for how many calories I
should be taking in and the last thing I want to do is lose lean muscle!

Thanks in advance.
-- 
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Janet McMonagle
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(215) 758-5003
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From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Let's Talk Protein
Summary: What is an endurance athlete
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:43:25 GMT
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

In article <1992Apr7.151416.3801@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, nelson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Nelson) writes:
+ grs02502@stat.appstate.edu writes:
+ 
+ +In article <92096.162049IA00078@MAINE.MAINE.EDU+, IA00078@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Robert Cryan Jr.) writes:
+ ++ 
+ ++ 
+ ++ In article <1992Apr3.165228.12825@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu+, nelson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
+ ++ (Charles Nelson) says:
+ +++
+ +++The May issue of _Running Times_ has an article about the
+ +++protein needs of runners (endurance athletes). I forget the
+ +++details but I remember the author saying that runners
+ +++need more protein than weightlifters. If I remember correctly
+ +++weightlifters were said to need 1.75 ounces of protein per
+ +++100 lbs. of bodyweight. And runners were said to need 2.5
+ +++ounces of protein per 100 lbs. of bodyweight.
+ ++ 
+ ++ 
+ 
+ +1 ounce = 28.35 grams
+ 
+ Thus the recommendation for endurance athletes is 70 grams of
+ protein per 100 lbs. of body weight per day. I found the 
+ article. The source for this information is William Evans, a
+ researcher at the USDA Human Nutrition Research Center on Aging
+ at Tufts U. I dont't know this sounds like alot of protein to me.
+ 
+ The other figures included are 5% of energy comes from protein
+ in a 1 hour workout, but jumps to 10-15% during a workout of
+ more than 2 hours because glycogen stores are depleted. I don't 
+ know much about this. What do you think?
+ 

I have the article, and have looked at it again. It has a problem
in that 'endurance athlete' is never defined. 

Let's say you are training for a marathon....generally accepted as
an 'endurance event'. For many people, the training would consist
of running 1 - 1 1/2 hours several days a week, with a long run of
perhaps 2 to 3 hours one day per week. I suspect most definitions
of endurance would say that that these levels of exercise indeed
qualify. Or do they?

The article certainly implies that the jump in protein
usage by the body occurs as the body approaches 2 hours per day of
exercise. Thus, our athlete training for the marathon may well not
meet the criteria of an 'endurance' athlete (except for one day per
week), unless s/he is world class and really putting on some huge 
mileage.

Perhaps these terms are better defined in the original article, and
we are victims of simplification by the popular press.
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                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu  
                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@uunet.uu.net     
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cherokee@b11.ingr.com (Lori Ludick)
Subject: Re: Soy Milk & Veggi Protein
Reply-To: cherokee@b11.UUCP (Lori Ludick)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:09:42 GMT

Most health food stores sell soy milk.
If you are interested in getting more information about veggie proteins, 
you can get alot of info at rec.food.veg.
This topic is constantly discussed.
If you eat a propr diet a completely vegan diet should give you all
the proteins you need.

Lori   cherokee@gators.b11.ingr.com
From: CSMSCST@mvs.oac.ucla.edu (CSMSCST)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: getting started
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:47:20 PDT

>Most experts I am familiar with seem to recommend about 2-3 lbs/week of weight
>loss via exercise & a balanced diet...good luck

To loose 3 lbs/week (excluding temporary dehydration) requires
generating a deficit of 10,500 calories/week, or 1500
calories/day by a combination of reduced food intake and
increased energy expendature.  Creating such a deficit level
for more than a few days is, I believe, well neigh impossible
for the majority of the population, and certainly very
difficult to do without destroying one's health in the process.
Spreading this kind of false expectation is very detremental,
especially to those most in need of weight reduction -- Hey,
you should be able to drop those 60 lbs in 20 weeks, you just
don't have any willpower.  That's garbage.

  -- Chris Thomas, UCLA (CSMSCST@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)
From: silver@woodstock.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Hot Stuff questions
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:46:27 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

I'd also like to add that they still have an error with their advertising.
They say that chromium picolinate increases testosterone.  Chromium picolinate
works with insulin.  I can't believe they still have this error.  It makes
me woory about the product.

							-Adam

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: pae@netwise.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Soy Milk & Veggi Protein
Reply-To: pae@netwise.UUCP (Phil Earnhardt)
Organization: Netwise, Inc.  Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:22:52 GMT

In article <14313@pitt.UUCP> jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu writes:
>In article 26022@hellgate.utah.edu, kim%asylum.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kwansik Kim) writes:
>>Does anyone know where I can purchase soy milk ?  I almost gave up getting
>>used to dairy products.  Local supermarket doesn't seem to carry.
>>
>>Also I have a question on veggi protein. Is veggi protein equally effective
>>with animal protein to help build muscle ?
>
>Veggi protein doesn't contain all the essential amino acids, so it`s not
>as good as protein from animal sources.

Could you elaborate on this a little, Jan? If you can't get the essential
amino acids from non-animal nutrition, then why don't all vegeterians die? Are
they all taking amino acid supplements? What do you mean?

>- Jan

Phil Earnhardt		pae@netwise.com
Netwise, Inc. 		Boulder, CO  (303) 442-8280
From: lmtra@uts.amdahl.com (Leon Traister)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Back exercises???
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:11:11 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr7.225853.1438@walter.bellcore.com> dsm@ctt.bellcore.com (David Miller) writes:
>

[...]
>He told me that the muscles in the back are needed to help re-align
>the spine, and keep the shoulders back in the correct position (I'm
>slightly round-shouldered which he says is worsened by the fact that
>my chest muscles are tighter and stronger than my back muscles...)
>
>Anybody know any exercises and/or stretches which will work the
>muscles in the mid to upper back???  I've done lower back routines,
>and I've done lots of rows and lat pulldowns, but I don't know of any
>exercises which will specifically work the muscles in the back that I
>need to...

It has been my experience that the best advice for back-problem
exercises comes from physical therapists.  They will take your
chiropractor's diagnosis and come up with a program to strengthen and
develop the appropriate muscles AND will make sure you do these with
the proper form.  Talk to your chiropractor about a possible referral.
A good chiropractor knows that he/she alone can't give you the
amount of time it takes to develop and monitor such a program and will
make such a referral, if it's appropriate.

========================================================================

<Usual Disclaimer>        "The best is the enemy of the good" - Voltaire

Leon Traister (lmtra@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com)

c/o Amdahl Corporation            (408)737-5449
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From: tlr@penguins.East.Sun.COM (Tammy Roncadori - Administrator Sun Washington D.C.)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Where's the Energy?
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:31:48 GMT
Reply-To: tlr@penguins.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: penguins.east.sun.com

Hi All -

I've been working out for two years now and have not noticed any more energy
than I had before.  I've heard that exercising makes you feel better, look better
and have more energy.  What am I doing wrong?  I work out for one hour five
days a week, alternating between aerobics and toning.  Am I missing something?


Thank you in advance for your responses --


Tammy
From: mrb@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (m..bruncati)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Soy Milk & Veggi Protein
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:51:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <SOL.92Apr13205204@sorley.cogsci.ed.ac.uk>, sol@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ana von Klopp) writes:
> 
> In article <14313@pitt.UUCP> jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Jan B Larsen) writes:
> 
> > Veggi protein doesn't contain all the essential amino acids, so it`s not 
> > as good as protein from animal sources.  
> > 
> 
> There are eight essential amino acids, all of which can be found in
> vegetables. In order to use the protein from whatever food you eat for
> building/replacing, rather than as fuel, you need to get the different
> amino acids in certain ratios. For instance, if there is little
> lyseine in something, that inhibits the availability of the other
> amino acids as building material. If you're on a lacto- or lacto/ovo- 
> vegetarian diet, this is usually not something you need to worry about.
> Vegans, on the other hand, may need to think about how they combine
> food.
> 
> I suspect that the poster above was referring to the fact than animal
> foods often have their amino acids in better ratios than vegetables.
> But the combination of different food stuffs in order to make the
> amino acids available enhances animal foods too. It is more efficient,
> to combine eggs with sweet corn than to eat just eggs.  
> 
> I can find the sources for this if people are interested (don't have
> them at hand here). 
> 
> Ana
> --

Ana,

When you say protein combining are you talking about in the same
meal?  As I understand it, this theory is a little out of date -  I
think now the prevailing belief is that if you get all the proteins
in the same day - at least this is what I've read on rec.food.veg
and Vegetarian times.  I also think that "Diet For A Small Planet"
has been updated to reflect this. 




Michael Bruncati
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: kim%asylum.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kwansik Kim)
Subject: Metabolism Changes from Diet ????
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:08:19 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: na

I've read several articles in which people changed the metabolism rate
(lower or higher) through diet( either intentionally or not ).
I'm just wondering how people possibly can alter their metabolism 
through eating ? As I know,only way to lower your metabolism rate
is just to be lazy and to incease you should exercise more.
Could somebody explain this to me ?
Thanks.

Kwansik Kim
From: grs02502@stat.appstate.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Toning Magic
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:13:20 EDT
Organization: Appalachian State University


What is this mythical "toning" legend.  You go to the gym, do some exercises,
and presto you become "T O N E D".  What is toning?  Any answers out there??

It is muscle growth and fat reduction...i.e. positive alterations in body
composition.  Sorry, if this sounds rude, but if I hear one more,"I just want
to get toned", I think I'm going to lose my chicken and rice.  You want to get
your muscles to become stronger and therefor bigger while reducing body fat. 
You do in fact want your muscles to grow not just become....eeesh.."toned".

-Brett
From: lantis@math.orst.edu (David Lantis)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: slim shake, NOT! (calorie bloopers)
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:48:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: talon.1992Apr13.154820.22867
Organization: Oregon State University Math Department

The only error I see in the calculation is that a gram of fat is
generally considered to have nine (9) calories.  So, the result would
look like:

1*9      =   9  -- fat
45*4     = 180  -- carb
26*4     = 104  -- protein
	   ---
           293

Two points to consider: not all carbs and proteins are digestable and all
numbers are rounded, often to an even multiple of five (5).  Here is the
great sticking point, for most people all of the fats are absorbed.

Personally, my main argument against most 'Slim Fast' shakes is that
they are mostly sugar.  Short term energy is not likely to keep away
your hunger for long.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: hpzg0650@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hale P Zengingonul)
Subject: Re: how many calories
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:13:19 GMT

kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico) writes:

>Janet:

>I can't speak for everyone, but I, because I have dieted since I was
>10, and have consequently ruined my metabolism because of it(and I
>have been treated for hypothyroidism for the past 10 years), cannot
>eat anywhere close to 2000 calories for more than 1 day, or I'll
>gain weight.  I have to stay under 1200 cals. to maintain(consuming
>less than 10 gms. of fat), and under 950 cals. a day to lose.(consuming
>even less fat).  I suppose I could even eat less on a reduction diet and 
>survive, but I exercise too hard every day, and I would probably pass out.
  well, Kathi. You're not alone. I didn't start dieting when I was 10 (I
was skinny then). Anyway, I have never been overweight but during college
I wanted to drop like 4-5 pounds. Since I wasn't eating much to start with
it took me about a year to shed those pounds off. I do not consume more than
1500 cals, I do not eat meat,fats etc and I run 50-60 miles a week.I
don't gain weight this way but don't loose any, either. And to make
everything worse I have a boyfriend who can eat whatever he wants (though
he shuns from fat and meat) and never gains an ounce.

					Pinar

>I have also heard that 2000 cal. number.  It was in reference to an average
>active woman.

>Now on the other extreme, I know that my sister's husband can eat 5000 cals
>a day, anything he wants, and not only maintain his weight, but a natural
>5% bodyfat level.  Naturally, I hate him.


>(PS-here's an interesting, non-related fact.  People from the tri-state
>are of Western PA and respective areas have more of an incidence of thyroid
>dysfunction than people from anywhere else in the world.)  Maybe that's why
>everone I know is always dieting.
From: victor@concour.cs.concordia.ca (KRAWCZUK victor)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: regularity and competition
Date: 17 Apr 92 04:18:28 GMT
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

Hi,

	I was just wondering if anyone knows what atheletes have to do
"readjust" their "regularity" habits :-) if, say, a marathon or a bike
race is scheduled for the same time-slot in which a person's daily
"appointment" (call to nature :-)) with the "big-white-throne"
generally occurs??


Victor.

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From: grs02502@stat.appstate.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: re:how many calories
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:04:00 GMT
Organization: Appalachian State University

In article <1992Apr15.160458.272381@cs.cmu.edu>, kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico) writes:
> Janet:
> 
> I can't speak for everyone, but I, because I have dieted since I was
> 10, and have consequently ruined my metabolism because of it(and I
> have been treated for hypothyroidism for the past 10 years), cannot
> eat anywhere close to 2000 calories for more than 1 day, or I'll
> gain weight.  I have to stay under 1200 cals. to maintain(consuming
> less than 10 gms. of fat), and under 950 cals. a day to lose.(consuming
> even less fat).  I suppose I could even eat less on a reduction diet and 
> survive, but I exercise too hard every day, and I would probably pass out.
> 
> I have also heard that 2000 cal. number.  It was in reference to an average
> active woman.
> 
> Now on the other extreme, I know that my sister's husband can eat 5000 cals
> a day, anything he wants, and not only maintain his weight, but a natural
> 5% bodyfat level.  Naturally, I hate him.
> 
> 
> (PS-here's an interesting, non-related fact.  People from the tri-state
> are of Western PA and respective areas have more of an incidence of thyroid
> dysfunction than people from anywhere else in the world.)  Maybe that's why
> everone I know is always dieting.


  If you have a thyroid disfunction, that is one thing.  But, I think it is
becoming apparent to the public now...DIETS DO NOT WORK!! THEY NEVER HAVE AND
THEY NEVER WILL!!!  You have to give your body food and exercise to take off
the excess bodyfat.  If you go into a negative calorie defecit by dieting, YOUR
METABOLISM   W I L L   SLOW DOWN.  You have to eat enough food to stay at a
neutral calorie level (not gaining or losing weight), and use exercise to take
off body fat.
From: silver@woodstock.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: MUSCLE MEMORY--WEEK 3
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:12:37 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

If you haven't been keeping up with the muscle memory posts...oh, well.

Measurements of my right biceps circumference (cold--not pumped):

Initial:  13 3/8 inches
Week 1:   13 5/8 inches
Week 2:   13 7/8 inches
Week 3:   14 inches

That's almost 3/4 on an inch in 3 weeks.  My muscle memory will probably slow
down a lot now because I'm not allowed to go with higher weights even though
I feel I can.  Remember, I tore the rotator cuff and biceps tendon.  I feel
VERY good now except for some slight pain in the rotator cuff.  The biceps
tendon is now fully healed.  Whew!  Six months out SUCKS!

My arm has now 1 1/2 inches to go to get back to normal.

                                                        -Adam (who else)  :)

(Check out the change in the .sig!  I'm getting slimmer.)  :)  I'm dieting
finally.

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