HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chris@unicorn.resun.com (Chris Von Hendy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Drummers (was Re: OK - I give in...)
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:54:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: unicorn.01010066.92b7pb
Reply-To: chris@unicorn.resun.com
Organization: Metalogic, S.a r.l.
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In article <1992Jul16.200307.1964@advtech.uswest.com> (soc.bi), rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray) writes:
> Don't forget: dedicated brass-instrumentalists develop strong embrochures,
> which are essentially the muscles of the lips. Though some girlfriends have
> called me boring, or too conservative, all have complimented me on my kissing.
> And the best kissers I've ever dated were all French Horns players, like
> myself.

As a person who played both trumpet and French Horn I can testify that
the muscles used are definately the same.  And all my lover's have also
complimented my kissing, although I am now woefully out of practice. 
(Playing the horns that is.)   

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Chris Von Hendy            "If we shadows have offended,
Escondido, California       Think but this, and all is mended,
ncr-sd!blkhole!chris  or    That you have but slumbered here,
chris@unicorn.resun.com     While these visions did appear." Puck
From: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: ailsa's post
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:48:22 GMT
Reply-To: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop) writes:
>	sometimes it's not clear to me, as an actively bisexual woman,
>	when i am & am not welcome in women's space;

Don't you mean lesbian space?  Women's space should be for all women.

Dave.
--

		    That's *Dr* Pervert to you!
From: bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: And the saga continues
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:48:17 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <1992Jul19.195923.9390@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) wrote...
>>
>
>Wah!  I wish I was there still.  Reality and job-looking isn't nearly
>as much fun.  By the way Bethan, where did you disappear to the rest
>of the time I was in Edin<mutter>?

Well, there was a certain amount of 'recovery' to do.... and I didn't know
where you lot were staying <harumph>. mind you, there were still a few
other, erm, 'distractions' around...

>
>>I even got to meet Tanaqui properly, as well...
>
>I was remiss in not introducing you two earlier <blush>.  I mistakenly
>assumed you knew each other.

Well, we did get _introduced_ .... it was just a different kind of
introduction...:)

>
>Typical.  Let us know if you remember.

I will, don't you worry! (As long as they don't incriminate me, of course!)


                              Bethan
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rhialto@cs.kun.nl (Olaf Seibert)
Subject: Re: making waves (at work)
Keywords: BGLAD (Silentium = Mors)
Organization: Intravenous News Addicts
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:42:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.211513.13143@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> cjohnson@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber) writes:
>because my colleagues it into two groups: those i go out with and those
>i don't.  They all know i've liked men, because my ex works here too.
>And those i go out with know i'm in a relationship with a woman.  But the
>others... Well, i finally bought a t-shirt advertising Deneuve magazine,
>with a breathtakingly beautiful picture of a mostly naked woman (only
>her back shows), and i wore it to one of our major meetings.  Not a 
>single comment (except from my ex - "Nice shirt, Coe"), but i know it
>got noticed.  
>Oh no, now maybe they just think i don't like men any more... have to 
>get an equally eye-catching shirt with a man on it.  Any suggestions?

Shit! I really wish my `Too cute to be straight' t-shirt had been
finished /before/ I went to Edinburgh!

To tell the whole story:  In some posting here I read something about
2Q2BSTR8-t-shirts. I mentioned this in the glb-group I'm in, and one of
the guys decided to make himself a t-shirt out of it for an upcoming
party of that same group.  It features that text (but fully expanded)
on the front, and below it a picture (from some porno mag, or
something) of a man wearing only a jacket, head bent over backwards,
and even his penis is visible. In full color (even though a bit dark).
The picture on the back is even more explicit: it shows an erect penis
and two handcuffed hands, and the text below reads `too straight to be
cute'. Whatever that means is left as an exercise for the beholder,
since I'm not sure of it myself.  In any case, I wanted such a t-shirt
as well, but things got delayed and the t-shirt printer closed for a
few days (due to family circumstances, the note said) so I was just too
late to get it in time.

Even though they [the printer] were amused, they didn't object to
printing it. And they did remember the one they made before... *smile*

Want one too? ;-) Only nlg 35 plus shipping! (that's approx gbp 11, or
usd 20) [No, this is not really a serious offer - sorry!]

-Olaf.
-- 
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  rhialto@cs.kun.nl
\X/  I survived Dave's party for 7 days and all I got was this lousy .sig!
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: where the women are?
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:36:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.171044.20417@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>In <1992Jul29.132642.3056@midway.uchicago.edu>
>an anonymous poster asks for hints on how she could meet up with queer
>women.
>
>>I don't know where they hang out.  I don't know what their signs are.
>>Oh, it's perfectly obvious where all the guys go; there's always a
>>"wall" or a certain bar.  But it's never been clear where all the
>>lovely women are.  [...] I looked in the phone book under "women",
>>"lesbian" and "bisexual" and got no further than the Women's Rotary
>>club.

[lots of good suggestions from Ciaran deleted]

A first stab I make in an unfamiliar city is to try to find the local
women's bookstore.  There is usually at least one in any
reasonably-sized city.  If there is a local/state/regional gay
paper, a women's bookstore is the one place you can be sure to find
it.  Then scan the ads.  Or ask the women who work there.

Assuming you can find a women's bookstore, of course.  They are
usually listed as such in the Yellow Pages of the phonebook.  Failing
that, you can try to find a women's section of an ordinary bookstore,
as Ciaran suggests, but it is much harder to tell from the phonebook
whether an ordinary bookstore will have the stuff you're looking for.
Chain bookstores won't, usually, unless you're in _such_ a backwater
(Memphis, for example :-), that the local chain bookstore is
considered the intellectual focal point of the city.

--John
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           ||"Don't worry, honey, 
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| our skirts are clean."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||
From: grant@Autodesk.COM (Grant Hogarth)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: More Party Quotes
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:11:10 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
> 
> Ciaran proposed translating the traveling salesman problem into the
> slutty bisexual problem.  We decided that revisitation of "nodes" 
> would be allowed.
Oh goody! (I always wondered about that! )
 
> Kay is making a couple of X-icons of a parrot.  Click on the parrot and
> the parrot falls over.  The caption?  X-parrot.
ARRRRGHHHH! Somebody bring me a python! :-)
 
> From the 'you had to be there' department:
> Cuddle pile with Ciaran, Olaf, Dave, and me.  Olaf has put on some music
> where the singer is yelling in Dutch.  Dave remarks "I wonder what he's 
> saying."  Olaf replies "He's shouting: 'I saw you with another.'"
The question is: "Another what ?"   :-)
 

I have to admit to always being partial to the rather large poster in
Edinburgh Station reading "Training beats coaching".
<grin>

Grant, who's feeling rather obstreperous today. :-)
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Where did Ciaran Go? (was: the Party)
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:12:00 GMT
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk


Ellen Writes:
>Isn't it interesting that no one has wondered where Ciaran disappeared 
>to that very evening?
I tried to prise that out of Ciaran before I left, but he wasn't forthcoming. I'd love to know what lucky person had his... er... company that night. One thing's for sure, they had a shower because he was looking remarkably well-groomed when he came in to Dave's house on Sunday afternoon.
>We need more floor shows...
>Ellen
<blush>
And there was me thinking of ways to put "in-jokes" on the net without blowing the gaffe, but I guess you beat me to it! I'd love to tell some of the netters just *why* we'd never be able to go back the the Meriden hotel... ever, and how I used a cellular phone to get us out of our... "predicament".
(I love this... how to wind-up 28,996 users, especially Brendan!) <Snigger>
Clive
.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: dbshapco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Brad Shapcott)
Subject: Re: Marraige and Apartheid
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:13:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.223959.21609@reed.edu> eparish@reed.edu (Elizabeth Cameron Parish) writes:
>
>Cam Parish, another bisexual staunchly opposed to family values
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

In my family, bisexuality is a family value.

Perhaps you mean 'Republican' or 'Fundamentalist' family values, in which case
I would suggest that the seizure of family values by those with a political
agenda should not bar us from pursuing definitions of our own.  (And what
the hell do they mean by 'family values'?  Entrenching bigotry, hatred,
racism and class disparity -- do families really value those things?)

I hate the way the term 'family values' is used, but instead of bucking it
would like to reclaim it from idiots who don't realize there are many, many
families populated by homosexual and bisexual and polygamous folks whose
values are just as valid and important, if not more so.


Brad
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Sameer Parekh)
Subject: I've decided what I will do (homophobic high school)
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 07:32:31 GMT
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	I think that to give me enough time to work anti-WoD anti-curfew
laws I really can't devote TOO much time to the homophobia issue.  This,
however, is not going to stop me from doing anything.
	What I think will be optimal would be for people on the net to write
articles which I can publish in _The Free Journal_ about what happened to
*them* in high school.  I guess activist groups could supply me with
articles, but I think it's more personal this way.. someone I can actually
talk to, and if someone in the school wants to talk to the author of the
article, then he or she can talk to me and I can arrange it..
	So.. this is a call for articles.  Write 'em up, tell a homophobic
high school your story, and maybe help some people along the way. (If I get
alot I probably won't be able to publish all of them.)

	Oh, and if you don't know, _The Free Journal_ is an underground
"newspaper" I have been distributing at my high school.  This fall it will
become "The official newsletter of the Partnership for a Free America" and
so it isn't really an "underground newspaper" but the administration sure as
hell hates the thing! :-)
-- 
  _Sameer_Parekh_zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM_zane@infopls.chi.il.us__________________
 / STOP The War on Rights          | | Restore liberty in the United States \
 | "Specialization is for Insects" | | Vote Libertarian 1992          ______/
 \________- Robert A. Heinlein_____/ \_ap.2363@cupid.sai.com (anon)__/
From: dsolis@koko.csustan.edu (Djelrik Solis)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Ireland Party (was Re: Muffin Alert!)
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:08:04 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <01010066.9n4jtg@unicorn.resun.com> chris@unicorn.resun.com writes:

>You will be happy to hear that SF is probable one of the only parts of
>the state where people don't drive.

Oh but people *DO* drive in San Francisco.  Many people do.  Many, many
people do.  *TOO DAMN MANY* do!!   (er,... I do, too.)

<Farrah Fawcett smile> 

Djelrik
From: n8946410@animal.cc.wwu.edu (Cameron Parish)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Marraige and Apartheid
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:43:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Jul31.174354.7261
Organization: Western Washington University

In article <Bs8E6t.Jt@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> dbshapco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Brad Shapcott) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.223959.21609@reed.edu> eparish@reed.edu (Elizabeth Cameron Parish) writes:
>>
>>Cam Parish, another bisexual staunchly opposed to family values
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>In my family, bisexuality is a family value.

	Congratulations!

>Perhaps you mean 'Republican' or 'Fundamentalist' family values, in which case
>I would suggest that the seizure of family values by those with a political
>agenda should not bar us from pursuing definitions of our own.  
>I hate the way the term 'family values' is used, but instead of bucking it
>would like to reclaim it from idiots who don't realize there are many, many
>families populated by homosexual and bisexual and polygamous folks whose
>values are just as valid and important, if not more so.

	"A word is what I mean it to be, and nothing more nor less" (or
however the quotation goes.)

	I'm afraid that, for me, the term "family values" has been so loaded
with things that make me hiss and spit fire (anti-abortion, anti-feminist,
anti-queer, anti-eccentric (and perhaps in the state of WA, anti-relaxation-
techniques, but that's another story)).... as I was saying, it's now such
a loaded term that I find it spoiled for my uses.  Whether or not that
term has been loaded by the religious right.  
	I can understand why (and Bill Clinton, for that matter) would 
want to reclaim the term, but I find something satisfying in being opposed
to 'family values,' just because 'family values' are something that 
*noooobody* in his/her right mind could *possssibly* be opposed to; it 
sort of rubs up against one of our cultural myths, and I like that.  It may
help to know that my own family wasn't 'zactly a model of health and warmth,
which may help me sneer at the term 'family values.'
	
	Besides,it's an easy out:

	'phobe:  *Gasp!* "You're undermining family values"
	   Cam:  *grin*  "Yup!"

>(And what
>the hell do they mean by 'family values'?  Entrenching bigotry, hatred,
>racism and class disparity -- do families really value those things?)

	Well, yes, I suppose some do.  It's not as if the idjits of this
world all grew up in warm happy egalitarian families and then suddenly
emerged as bigoted twits.  


-- Cam Parish, hot bi babe with a parenthesis fetish
From: dbshapco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Brad Shapcott)
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:52:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.195203.25691@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>In article <Bs402B.CCD@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> dbshapco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Brad Shapcott) writes:
>>
>>Please re-read.  I'm inclined to think that since others in soc.bi and
>>soc.motss heard the message, that perhaps you misconstrue me.
>
>Perhaps, but the point is so obvious, that I fail to understand what you're
>trying to say.  Its like walking up to me and telling me that the sky
>is blue and that this sepArates you from space, and how this causes you pain.  
>
>Either you're repeating the obvious as if its profound and new, or you've
>got some subtle point that you're trying to make, that I don't get, hidden
>behind all this.
>
>So again, what's so new or interesting about this reality?  Was the sky
>green yesterday and I missed it?  Did there not used to be issues that
>seperated the Gay/Lesbian issues from Bisexual issues?

All of us at one time see the sky for the first time, and in your familiarity
with it do not forget the wonder of those who have not seen it a thousand
times before.

>Ry Schwark
>ry@usl.com

And if you think I'm a babe freshly born and unwashed, staring at wonder at
the commonplace, and learning about this new world, you're right.

You can either laugh at me or lead me.  You choose.


Brad
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Lycra
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:34:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.135436.1636@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>
> Weeell.. Anyone who's interested in this, alt.lycra is currently proposed in
>alt.config. If there's any interest, pleeeeeeezzzzee show it.. <grin> 

I am definitely voting against it.  If I start thinking about lycra at work,
I won't be able to get anything at all done.
--scott
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop)
Subject: Re: Bi-fun in L.A. and Seattle
Keywords: cheesecloth whip bit of string ladle
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:25:35 GMT


	that was supposed to be private

	never mind

	at least it wasn't that interesting ;)

	annemarie
	asuccop@u.washington.edu
From: thom@crayfish.uucp (Thom Cleland)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: 'women's' vs 'lesbian'
Date: 31 Jul 1992 09:12:16 GMT
Organization: Tenuous at best
NNTP-Posting-Host: crayfish.ucsd.edu

In article <Bs7JnE.68r@news.larc.nasa.gov> kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey) writes:
>>
>>>If any of the soc.bi hot horny bi babes feel like a good flame, now
>>>you know where to go...
>>
>So, what does it take to be a "babe" anyway?  Is being female a necessary
>condition, or could I describe myself as a hot, horny bi babe, and get away
>with it.

now this is a dilemma, 'cause originally "hot horny bi babes" were
that collective entity that attracted a cloud of het men to
bispace; you might have trouble nibbling them into submission, but
don't let me discourage you from the effort  ;^)

if you'd like to be a hot horny bi babe, though, it's just more
than fine with me... even sounds tempting...;^D

thom, whose initial efforts to wax poetic about babedom have
fallen victim to the time of day, such as it is



>--scott


-- 
Thom Cleland     \ /^^/  >Neural systems/network physiology< >Amigaphile<  
(619) 453-7516    \OO/  >Aoinagi Shito-ryu == bend, and the wind passes <
tcleland@ucsd.edu  ++  >B3 f cdv g++ k+(+) m s+ r+ p growl+ purr++ zzz- <
"Wild magic is graven in every rock, every tree, in every blade of grass"
From: atmpas@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Lycra
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:18:55 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <1992Jul21.004425.1590@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>, porsupah@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
> 
>  >purrRRRRr<  Well, I'll take a black lycra top with two interlocking
> polychromatic triangles, if someone should ever come up with such an item.
> (Forget the /top/, I'll have it in full-body..)

	Hmm.  Given my preference for wearing white, I've just discovered why
black is more favoured.  My white lycra cycling shorts are virtually 
transparant (no, scrub the virtually) when wearing anything other than white
underwear.  I only own one set of white underwear.  And as for wearing them
without underwear - well, umm.

	I suppose I need to buy some white y-fronts...

		- Paul

> -- Porsupah, who agrees alt.lycra should be created herewith.

	(interesting, but we'd never get it...)
From: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Life does funny things sometimes
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:04:43 GMT
Reply-To: db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

>Because I feel angry at your community
>for not respecting me because I like women and men. 

Remember the 7th demand of the Women's Liberation Movement:

	Every woman has the right to choose her own sexual identity,
	as long as it's not "bisexual".

(Or pro SM, or pro-erotica, or...)

>There are also some very strongly feminist womens 
>bisexual groups - Boston Bisexual Women's Network and Seattle
>Bisexual Women's Network.  

Also in Sheffield, Manchester and London.  There are also strongly feminist
women (and male supporters) in some mixed groups, although that's not the
same thing.

I empathise with Ailsa, to an extent.  It must be a bit like finding a
part of your body won't work anymore, forcing you to radically change your
job or lifestyle.  Evan if you can make headway, like finding someone who
is at least willing to discuss these feelings, you may still be feeling
that you shouldn't have to make this special effort just to be who you are.
And, of course, you're right.

Dave.
--

                          The Ready Style                               1/15
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 29 Jul 1992 23:34:55 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: 'women's' vs 'lesbian'
 <asuccop.712306808@milton> <Bs40J7.D08@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
 <iw.712398608@tosser> <24294@castle.ed.ac.uk>

well, i'm still waffling at the boundaries, and the idea of two
or more wimmin does nice things for me too...  B)  perhaps we could
get together to discuss this further...  B)

                                             -ailsa
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Bi Edinburgh (was Re: Another newcomer...)
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 15:57:40 GMT

 cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
> In <17257@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>>Another apathy alert was when a group of us were discussing the film "Fried
>>Green Tomatoes at the Whistlestop Cafe". I said I was dissappointed at the
>>film makers for shying away from Idgie and Ruth's lesbian relationship.
>>Everyone else told me I was imagining things, and that the characters were
>>just good friends. Are these people blind, stupid or both?

Arnistead Maupin's _Tales of the City_ is now being produced by Channel 4 TV.
Warner tried to buy the first set, & were surprised by the reaction to their
suggestion for a change. The change? Oh, they wanted the gay gynaecologist to
be made a serial killer... the deal was never made, unsurprisingly.

(Source: _Independent_ Diary some time last week. I cut out the article, but
 seem to have left it in Plymouth. At least *I'm* back in Oxford |-)

Tanaqui

"Slow treads fair cannabis the breezy strand,
 The distaff streams dishevell'd in her hand;
 Now to the left her ivory neck inclines,
 And leads in Pophian curves the azure lines"   _The Botanic Garden_ E.Darwin


Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Life does funny things sometimes
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:54:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.150841.3472@HQ.Ileaf.COM> mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaepplein x1517) writes:

>Seems heterophobia is more rampant among
>lesbians than homophobia among straights.

I beg your pardon?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You mean there are TWO of you, Pierce?
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  God help us all."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Major Charles Emerson Winchester III
Newsgroups: soc.bi