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From: dthumim@athena.mit.edu (Daniel J Thumim)
Subject: Reducing traffic on c.o.l.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:28:11 GMT

I have almost gotten to the point where I can no longer keep up with c.o.l.,
even though I want to.  As the group is *not* going to be split any time
soon, I would like to suggest that we try instead to reduce the traffic in
here!

Probably the least interesting posts are newbie questions and please for
help.  Perhaps we can cut down on these by setting up separate help forums,
and *advertising* them, here, in the [meta-]faq, with linux distributions,
in the form of instructions for getting help... with posting to c.o.l.
listed as a last resort only!  Such forums already exist for many people,
by contacting other local users, irc, etc.  Maybe we could also set up a
separate alt.* newsgroup, or a mailing list or something that will serve
as a "help line".  Maybe lots of small, local help line mailing lists.

Of course, there is also the issue of keeping things that don't belong out
of the group...for example, the whole "linux v. coherent" discussion should
have been somewhere else, like comp.unix.pc-clone or whatever it's called.
Also, I sometimes see followups that could very well have gone by email.
And maybe we can also cut down on messages without content?  Some humor is
good, but not when somebody posts a long quotation of someone else and
adds some one-liner, with nothing else!  People should realize how many
other people's time they are wasting... and they may be pushing some people
over the edge to decide that they can't keep up with the volume in here.
Please, people, think before posting!

                                Respectfully submitted,

                                                -- |)aniel Thumim
                                                dthumim@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jschafer@m100.nuwes.sea06.navy.mil (Jeff Schafer)
Subject: PEX support and Libraries for X11R5
Reply-To: jschafer@m100.nuwes.sea06.navy.mil (Jeff Schafer)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:13:02 GMT

I have a couple of quick questions.. Maybe someone can answer these either to
me if I am asking something dumb or to everyone if there are any other
PHIGS programmers out there who might be interested. 

- Does the XFree server for Linux support PEX? 
- Has anyone ported the PEX libraries to Linux?

I work in SunPHIGS and I would love to do PEX at home but I don't have 
the space or a great depth of knowledge on the X11R5 source to build PEX.

Thanks in advance...

Jeff Schafer
jschafer@m100.nuwes.sea06.navy.mil
 schafer@ted.cs.uidaho.edu

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: danubius@halcyon.com (Joseph R. Pannon)
Subject: Re: Leaving light on mounted removable devices
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:24:58 GMT

In article <JOHNSONM.93Jan11111850@amcl6.StOlaf.edu> johnsonm@stolaf.edu writes:

>Yes, but it would keep your floppy disk spinning the whole time it was
>mounted.  Not good.  It is a simple hack, but it would wear out your
>floppy, since they can only do a certain number of rev's before they
>fail, and it's been my experience that they fail sooner than later... ;-)

Michael,
I'm not sure that keeping the drive light necessarily goes together with
the spinning.  As I recall, the DOS FASTBACK backup software managed to
keep the drive lights on even during changing of the floppies,
supposedly so that they could detect the actual change having taken
place.  I have quit using FASTBACK years ago, when I got my first tape
drive, but perhaps some current users might confirm this.

Regards,
Joe Pannon
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: taudas@ais.org (Tony Audas)
Subject: Re: Pentium P5 (586) vs. i486 upgradable socket?
Organization: UMCC
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:51:01 GMT

as i understand it, pentium is a 64bit processor and so requires a diff
mb design.  the word is that there will be a pentiumSX (64bits internal
and 32bits external) that will go in a standard 486 mb/socket.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: bde@runx.oz.au (Bruce Evans)
Subject: Re: Kernel build benchmark
Organization: RUNX Un*x Timeshare.  Sydney, Australia.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 05:54:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.213923.23125@epas.toronto.edu> meggin@epas.utoronto.ca (David Megginson) writes:
>
>Well, it used to take me a good 1/2 hour to remake the Minix kernel
>on my old 8mhz Atari ST, but then again, I didn't spend 45 minutes
>counting the seconds and composing postings about the time, so by
>my reckoning, I was still at least 22.5 minutes ahead of either of
>you. ;-)

The current Minix 386 kernel takes 51 sec to compile on a 486/33/8MB.
It takes 135 sec using gcc-2.3.2 -O.  The Minix kernel is not the full
system but it is about 1/2 as big as the full linux-0.99 kernel.  Linux
takes about 8-10 min to compile on the same machine.  Older version of
the Minix kernel compiled in about a minute on a 386/20/2MB/slow disks.
There were fewer modules and far fewer header files then.
-- 
Bruce Evans  (bde@runx.oz.au)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: kris@black.toppoint.de (Kristian Koehntopp)
Subject: Re: quick q
X-Excuse: X-Copyright wegen Emma, Suedwestpresse und /C'T/DISKUSSIONEN.
Organization: Toppoint Mailbox e.V.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:25:38 GMT
X-Copyright: (C) Copyright 1992 Kristian Koehntopp -- All rights reserved.
		 Reproduktion, auch auszugsweise, ausserhalb elektronischer,
		 nichtkommerzieller Datennetze nur mit ausdruecklichem,
		 schriftlichem Einverstaendnis des Autors.

In <1993Jan6.080443.10051@cbfsb.cb.att.com> wto@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (William T. O Connell) writes:
>To have Linux actually use the swap space, include the command 
>'swapon <your swap partition>' in either /etc/rc or /etc/rc.local. 
>Then, when you boot, you will see a message indicating that linux 
>setup 10MB of swap.

Actually there is a swapon -a command in the standard SLS rc.
You put your swap partition into /etc/fstab just like your other
partitions and swapon will find and use it automatically.

Kristian
-- 
Kristian Koehntopp, Harmsstrasse 98, 2300 Kiel, +49 431 676689
"Better to have Linux RT than Windows NT" -- Kristian
From: lars@sven.uni-paderborn.de (Lars Heinemann)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: SCSI problem booting .99
Date: 8 Jan 1993 09:53:54 +0100
Organization: Universitaet Paderborn, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: sven.uni-paderborn.de

In <rsvagera.1@tuwien.ac.at> rsvagera@tuwien.ac.at (Robert Svagera) writes:

->I am using an Adaptec 1542b with 2 harddisks (ID 0,1) and a CD-ROM
->drive (ID 3, SCSI I device). Installing Linux SLS .99 on /dev/sdb3
->works perfectly. Booting with the new built Bootdisk hangs after
->recognizing the SCSI-drives. (HD-controller led still on)
->.98pl5 is working with the same setup!
->Any Adaptec owner using .99 successfully?
->Robert

I have the same problem with my streamer (TEAC3600) (and 2 harddisks, A1542b)
Could someone help?

Bye, Lars

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: philipr@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Philip Rhoades)
Subject: Anyone had success with Xega and mouse?
Summary: I linked Xega alright but it does not recog /dev/mouse
Keywords: Xega mouse success problem
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:25:21 GMT

I linked Xega with no apparent problems, but when I try and
startx I get a message that the server can't find a mouse at
/dev/mouse.

I have got the Xmono server going alright but I would prefer the
16 color mode in std VGA (640*480).

Has anyone sorted this out?

-- 
Philip Rhoades
First Year Biology
University of Sydney
phil@biox.bio.su.OZ.AU or philipr@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU
From: Randy.Edwards@f60.n128.z1.fidonet.org (Randy Edwards)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: SLS Install Prob
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 08:31:00 -0800

 On 01-06-93 Craig McCracken wrote to All... 
 
 CM> Disk C2 
 CM> installing P2C......tar: Unexpectd EOF on archive file 
 CM> tar: Child died with signal 11 ( Core dumped ) 
 
   This is just a guess, but what I think happened is that you got ahold

of a file packed with the "Info-Zip" archiver and then tried to unpack 
it with the PKUnZip program.  Info-Zip uses an odd "imploding" routine 
that PKZip can't handle.  This might cause the premature EOF. 
 
   The solution is to find a copy of the Info-Zip unpacker or to get 
your Sysop to repack the file with normal PKZip.  I found Info-Zip 
for OS/2 on an OS/2 BBS -- but of course, this was after I downloaded 
the C2 archive again just to make sure it was okay :-). 
. 
Randy 
 
... OFFLINE 1.44 * Why do we teach people that killing people is wrong
by killing people? 

 * Origin: The Programmers Playhouse (1:128/60)
From: gt3791a@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Rogers Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: X kills display on exit
Summary: How to restore it?
Date: 4 Jan 93 10:04:17 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I have the .98pl5 SLS Distribution of Linux on my 386/40 MHz with 8 MB RAM
and Trident 8900C video w/ 1 MB RAM.  My problem is that when X windows
exits, it blanks the display and never restores text mode.  I read in the
FAQ that this is a known bug.

How can I restore the display after exiting X?  Rebooting just isn't a
good enough answer...  ;-)

Please e-mail me and I'll summarize to the group.  (Too much traffic...)
Thanks in advance!

-Mark Johnson

-- 
						M. Johnson

Department of Chemistry, Georgia Institute of Technology
Internet: gt3791a@prism.gatech.edu  or  harle@jablab.gatech.edu
From: 93ajm@bigbird.williams.edu (Andrew Mauer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Linux on a PS/2 55 SX?
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:50:55
Organization: /home/93/93ajm/.organization
Distribution: comp
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbird.cc.williams.edu


I have been trying to install Linux on a PS/2 55 SX, but the SLS
distribution (0.98.5-pl49) fdisk does not recognize my 40 MB hard drive. 
I have tried /dev/hd{a,b} and /dev/sd{a,b} (although I know it is not
a SCSI drive), to no avail. 

Are there any hints, or does linux just not work with this setup?


--Andrew



--
/Andrew Mauer/
93ajm@williams.edu
From: Mark.Mims@f229.n209.z1.fidonet.org (Mark Mims)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Dos Emulation
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 22:18:06 -0800

Is there a Dos Emulation out there that runs in an X/Window environment
and if so how well does it operate?

Mark


 * Origin: Generic Engineering Technical Information System (1:209/229)

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: hlu@eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Subject: Re: In what include file should 'ioctl' be declared ?
Keywords: ioctl
Organization: School of EECS, Washington State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 23:14:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.094641.24107@eua.ericsson.se>, tmpcms@eua.ericsson.se (Carl Michael Skoog) writes:
|> I noticed when compiling lilo 0.8 (with gcc 2.3.3) yesterday that 'ioctl' is
|> not in 'unistd.h', as it was under gcc 2.2.2d7. I thought that was the place 
|> for 'ioctl' under SYSV.
|> 
|> Can somebody enlighten me why this was changed under gcc 2.3.3 ?
|> 
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> |Carl Michael Skoog			|	"2 points for talent,	|
|> |					|	2 points for ambition,	|
|> |Email: tmpcms@eua.ericsson.se		|	96 points for hooters!"	|
|> |					|				|
|> |					|	Al Bundy		|
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------

#include <sys/ioctl.h>

H.J.
From: ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Library 4.1 bug/feature?  fopen("fifo","a") fails
Date: 7 Jan 1993 09:10:46 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de

Is it a bug or a feature that fopen("fifo","a"), where "fifo" is a named
pipe, fails with an 'illegal lseek' in the 4.1 version of the library?
The opinion on comp.std.unix seems to be that there should be no
problem...
-- 
Thomas Koenig, ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, ig25@dkauni2.bitnet
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic
diagram.
From: root@slave.uwe.ac.uk (Operator (Phil/Dylan))
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Need Help
Date: 11 Jan 93 01:40:25 GMT
Reply-To: p_copela@csd.uwe.ac.uk
Organization: The New University in the West of England, Bristol (WEB)

In article <fXDsGUI@quack.sac.ca.us>, benjie@quack.sac.ca.us (Android) writes:
|> Hello Everyone.  I need some help on the following subjects
|> 1.  How do you set the modem up ?  When I try to use the Kermit, and
|> entered "dial", it told me to "set modem" first.  I did just that and it
|> still telling me to "set modem".  What should I do?

set line /dev/ttys[0-4] (well whatever com port you use)
set speed xxxx ( try 'set sp ?' for a list)

you can also write all this info as you type it in kermit to
$HOME/.kermrc so that kermit sets itself up to a predesigned config

|> 2.  Printer.  I can't send a file to a HP Deskjet by entering print.

sorry can't help,.. someone else know?

Phil
=--=
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ado@ibg1.ibg.sub.org (Christoph Adomeit)
Subject: Missing curses definitions (A_BOLD ...) in SLS
Organization: ibg
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:05:42 GMT

Hi Linuxers,

I'am using SLS .98 with .99.1 Image. The curses man-page
mentions A_BOLD A_UNDERLINE ... for terminal using, but I can't 
find them in "curses.h" or any other "*.h".
Any ideas about how to workaround this ?

Does anybody know, which curses-implementation is used in Linux-SLS ?
Is it 8-bit clean ?

Happy new year to everybody,
Bye
	Christoph
-- 
Origin: It's not a bug, it's a feature !
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: stuart@bfsun1.eglin.af.mil (stuart shapiro)
Subject: Ati XL24 Mouse
Reply-To: stuart@bfsun1.eglin.af.mil (stuart shapiro)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:51:17 GMT

Hi,

Thanks to the responses I received yesterday, I was able to get X working.
Now I'm having no luck with the mouse.

I tried use a logitech mouse on /dev/ttys1, and the ati mouse on
/dev/bmouseatixl.  Both with no luck. 

I also tried the mouse program in /usr/lib/X11/tst/mouse.  No luck.

During boot cycle it does detech a Microsoft mouse and an Ati mouse when
I only have the Ati hookup.

Do I need to reconfigure the kernel?

Thanks
Stuart
From: probreak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (James Michael Chacon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: PEX support and Libraries for X11R5
Date: 8 Jan 1993 23:20:27 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

jschafer@m100.nuwes.sea06.navy.mil (Jeff Schafer) writes:

>I have a couple of quick questions.. Maybe someone can answer these either to
>me if I am asking something dumb or to everyone if there are any other
>PHIGS programmers out there who might be interested. 

>- Does the XFree server for Linux support PEX? 
>- Has anyone ported the PEX libraries to Linux?

>I work in SunPHIGS and I would love to do PEX at home but I don't have 
>the space or a great depth of knowledge on the X11R5 source to build PEX.

>Thanks in advance...

>Jeff Schafer
>jschafer@m100.nuwes.sea06.navy.mil
> schafer@ted.cs.uidaho.edu

I don't beleive the current X distribution has PEX included, as the default
is not to include it. I am compiling X as I write this, but didn't bother
to include it for the space it requires. 

You could always compile your own version of X. You can get the diffs against
the mit distribution from export.lcs.mit.edu in the contrib/XFree86 dir.

James
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: meggin@epas.utoronto.ca (David Megginson)
Subject: SLS Mono X386 Goes Looney: Help!
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:26:47 GMT

I have been installing the newest SLS distribution on my Samsung
Notemaster 386SX/25e.  So far, it has been laughably easy -- I
recompiled the kernel to eliminate a numlock problem, and have
everything configured exactly as I would like it.
 
Then, unfortunately, I tried installing the SLS X series.  I cannot
find out what kind of VGA card this computer has simply by reading the
manual, but here is what I do know:
 
- Video RAM from 0A0000 to 0BFFFF.
- max. 640x480 display
- backlit LCD
- up to 64 levels of gray
 
I linked X386mono to X, and Xconfig.mono to Xconfig.  X Windows
starts, complains about not finding a certain signal, then fills my
screen with vertical bars and completely hangs the system -- even
[Cntrl]-[Alt]-[Del], [Cntrl]-[Alt]-[BS] etc. do nothing, and the
update daemon doesn't spin the drive.  As a result, I cannot redirect
output to a file, because the file will never be written to disk
before the system hangs and has to be powered down.
 
VGALIB works perfectly, BTW.  I have 4MB RAM with an 8MB swap file
enabled -- I know that this will be slow, but it still should work.
Can anyone offer me any suggestions?
 
 
David
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth)
Subject: [X11]:  Where TO GET ANSWERS TO X-WIN QUESTIONS
Organization: a2i network
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:53:38 GMT

Recently there was posted to comp.windows.x a X-Windows FAQ which many may
find extremely useful.  I know there are many, such as myself, who have
never used X Windows before and find learning X a daunting task.  With this
FAQ by one's side, many answers become evident.

Recommended reading.

-- 
Bryan Woodworth <bryanw@rahul.net>
From: root@slave.uwe.ac.uk (Operator (Phil/Dylan))
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: quick q
Date: 10 Jan 93 20:20:59 GMT
Reply-To: p_copela@csd.uwe.ac.uk
Organization: The New University in the West of England, Bristol (WEB)

In article <1993Jan7.034007.26946@sfu.ca>, wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong)
writes:
|> In article <1993Jan6.080443.10051@cbfsb.cb.att.com> wto@cbnewsg.cb.att.com
|> (William T. O Connell) writes:
|> >In article <1993Jan6.071608.4248@wuecl.wustl.edu> ppc1@cec2.wustl.edu (Peter
|> Pui Tak Chiu) writes:

|> >Put 'hostname <something you like>' in you rc file.

it's usually specified in the rc.local (for linux)


|> trying to ask is that (root@softland) thing.  Well. Considering he
|> didn't specify where, I could be given some leeway in interpretation here.
|> But like, for that (root@softland) to be changed to (root@?????), I think
|> he'd need to recompile the kernel under the ????? hostname, am I correct?

wrong,....

several files come into play

/etc/issue
/etc/motd
/etc/rc.local (normally where the hostname is defined NOT the /etc/rc)

depending on what shell (s)he runs, it can also be hard coded into your
prompt statement rather tha using enviroment variables

As for ethernet cards, I see that there is only 5 pounds (stirling)
difference in the ne1000 and ne2000 now priced at 69 pounds (stirling) +
vat. 3com503 boards look like they cost approx 160 quid (may be a misprint)

Best buy: from a computer sale/ auction somewhere

Phil
=--=
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: pmacdona@sanjuan (Peter MacDonald)
Subject: compression programs
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, CANADA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 06:30:52 GMT

I just had another one of those perenial requests to use zip
instead of compress for SLS.  Of course the answer is no.
And that is not why I am writing this.  

I wish someone would write a compression program that does
block compression.  My thinking is then we could look at
allowing mounting of these compressed files (who needs
a compressed file system?).

Also, a while back someone posted a shell script that drove
cpio to do multivolume backups, with compression (it was
a long time ago).  Does anyone have such a beast? 

Peter.
pmacdona@sanjuan.uvic.ca
From: Jim.Lawhon@f6008.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Lawhon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: SCSI distribution
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 22:46:33 -0800

To: suvac@rachel.cs.andrews.edu (Radivoj Suvacarov)

 RS> I have Adaptec 1542b SCSI controler and a Maxtor drive. After
 RS> fdisk. The message says: error reading hda0. I know there is
                                            ^^^^
/dev/hda0 is for IDE, MFM, RLL and ESDI (ST-506?) if I'm not
mistaken...
Try /dev/hds0 in your /etc/fstab to acknowledge your msdos partition and
/dev/hds* to work with other scsi drive file-systems.

                                    

 * Origin: Meridian = Mesquite, Tx. -=- (214) 682-0721 (1:124/6008)
From: partout@zooid.guild.org (Dwight Francis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: ARCnet Cards
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:38:12 GMT

  I have read the FAQ and found no mention of the any other network support
but ethernet. Is there anyone working on ARCnet support for Linux ?
From: probreak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (James Michael Chacon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Has anybody got ctrace lying around somewhere?
Date: 10 Jan 1993 18:58:44 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

dvldbg@cs.umu.se (Daniel Brahneborg) writes:

>Hi all!

>Does anybody know if there is some version of ctrace for Linux?
>I have access to a version for Sun, but it REALLY doesn't like
>gcc-code. Having ctrace would make debugging SO much easier.

>/Basic

Try strace, it helps me debug code that uses client-server relationships a 
lot easier.

You should be able to get it from tsx-11.mit.edu in the pub/linux/sources/
sbin directory.

James
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: non-blocking read(): return vaules?
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:25:58 GMT

Linus Torvalds (torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI) wrote:

: As per posix, linux returns -1 and sets errno to be EAGAIN.  Originally,
: linux had separate EAGAIN and EWOULDBLOCK, but to simplify porting of
: bsd software (especially networking code), EWOULDBLOCK is now defined to
: be the same as EAGAIN, so if you recompile any bsd sources with the new
: header files, the posix behaviour actually looks like BSD ("new header
: files" means that you have to have a new version of linux (0.99+) and
: have the headers correctly symlinked)

The problem with this is, if you have SVR3 code lying around (which is the majority of my source code), you have to check the return value from the read AND
errno.  If errno == EAGAIN, retry the read (possibly sleeping or doing a
select() so you don't lock the processor into a hard loop).

What is the most efficient way of doing this?  I've been bitten by this one
several times.  cu also had this bug until I worked up a patch for it, too.
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177
1935 will go down in history.  For the first time, a civilized nation has
full gun registration.  Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient,
and the world will follow our lead into the future.  --Adolf Hitler
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