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From: sriram@cremona.Eng.Sun.COM (Sriram Ramachandran)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Travel Bag
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:48:31 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cremona


I looked into getting the bag described below from ETBD. I finally 
ended up buying a travel pack from REI called "The Kalahari". It is 
slightly bigger, is the regular airline carry-on size, and has a 
good waist belt for support. Although it costs around $100, I was 
able to buy it for $80 at a recent REI sale. 

In general, I do recommend the books and equipment from Rick Steves' 
outfit. I think "Europe Through The Back Door" is an excellent book 
on budget travel.

sriram/.


In article <94086@bu.edu> kearns@buphy.bu.edu (Ed Kearns) writes:
>In article <venable.123@faculty.coe.wvu.wvnet.edu> venable@faculty.coe.wvu.wvnet.edu (Wallace Venable) writes:
>>>Well, I leave for my European vacation in six weeks and I still can't
>>>decide what's best to carry my stuff in.  
>>
>>
>>	If you haven't travelled much, whatever you find that looks good 
>>might be tested.  Pack your stuff a week in advance, and take a bus "
>>downtown."  Walk several blocks to a bank, and try cashing a check while 
>>carrying the bag.  Then head home.
>>	If you're still satisfied, it's probably all right.
>
>True enough! As for a specific recommendation, I have been very happy
>with: The Back Door Suitcase / Rucksack. It is available through
>Rick Steves' (of PBS fame) Europe Through The Back Door company.
>It is a soft-sided conversion suitcase... that is, backpack straps
>get tucked away in a secret compartment. When in suitcase mode it
>is quite presentable and fits under airplane seats (9"x22"x14").
>But then when you go traipsing around the airport or from the
>airport into the city via public transport, you pull out the
>back pack straps and it is quite comfortable on your back. It is
>not to be confused with a true camping/hiking backpack though.
>
>Anyway, it is of quite sturdy construction and the price is
>excellent: $75 approximately. When I looked at conversion packs
>in some local camping stores, there was nothing quite this good and
>the prices were $100-$200.
>
>You can read more about them by stopping in a bookstore and looking
>in the back of any Rick Steve's book eg: Europe Through the Back Door,
>Europe 101 or Mona Winks (look in the travel section). Here is
>the address & #:  120 Fourth Ave, N. Edmonds WA 98020
>                  (206) 771-8303
>
>Disclaimer: I'm just a satisfied customer and frequent traveller.
>
>Ed
From: young@ursa.UUCP (Eric Youngblood)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Trip to Madrid
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:00:57 GMT
Organization: wouldn't you like to know...
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Hello,
	
I am going to Madrid for a short business trip at the end
of the month and wonder if anyone has any restaurant / 
things to do recommendations... 

Thanks,
Eric

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: koops@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Luke Koops)
Subject: Shopping in Washington D.C. (Repost - maybe)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 19:06:23 GMT


(I may have messed up the distribution line the first time I posted this
message, so here it is again -- if you're seeing it for the second time,
sorry.)

Hi!
Starting August 24th, I am going to be in Washington D.C. for a few days, and
I'd like to do some shopping.  Are there any good factory shoe outlets?
Are there any unique stores or attractions that are a must-see?  Please send
answers via e-mail.

Thanks for your suggestions,

Kelly              
koops@gaul.csd.uwo.ca
(using a friend's account)
-- 
*****
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: S.A. Chopdat@lut.ac.uk ()
Subject: MALAWI/ZIMBABWE info request.
Organization: Loughborough university,uk
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 14:15:20 GMT


I will be visiting Zimbabwe for three days, mainly to see the 
victoria falls and to Malawi for a week. and would like to hear of
ideas on places to see.

Also info on best/cheapest way to travel from Harare to the Victoria
Falls and also the best way of travelling in malawi.( I am thinking
of hiring a car).



All information will be greatly appreciated.



----------------------------------------------------------------------- 

S.A.Chopdat@LUT.ac.uk


Xref: sparky rec.travel:11693 soc.culture.indian:27942
From: gayathri@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Gayathri Krishnamurthy)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Don't fly on Air India
Summary: Re:Don't fly Air India
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:27:52 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Aug12.211833.20063@cis.ohio-state.edu>, chandra@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran) writes:
> Regarding the recent posting re problems flying on Air India, I felt
> that I should add a positive note.  There are three distinct groups of
> people that are involved in a flight experience: the people who make
> airport policy, the AI personnel on ground, and AI personnel on the
> flight.  I have flown a few times recently by AI (I was bringing my
> parents neither of whom is in good health and one of them is on
> wheelchair), and I thought that the personnel on the flight were
> actually quite excellent and helpful.  The AI grounds personnel vary

I agree with Chandrasekharan about the AI flight personnel. When I flew
from India over to the US, I came by Air India upto Frankfurt and then
came by TWA to JFK. The flight personnel were courteous, responded 
promptly whenever someone needed something - and on the whole were
very nice to the passengers. From time to time they even came around
asking if you needed anything.This was in direct contrast to the TWA
flight personnel who acted as if they couldn't be bothered with you.
For about 3 hours after the journey from Frankfurt began, no drinks were
served and there was nobody to ask for even water and nobody was 
responding even after 15 mins of keeping the "light" on. The airhostesses 
were irritable (at one point I really wished they hadn't taken up the job 
if they disliked it so much). The TWA personnel from JFK to Cleveland
weren't any better and I really told myself "mera bhaarat mahaan" and
for the first time, felt homesick... Anyhow, that day I swore I'd never
fly TWA however cheap that would be.
Gayathri.
--
-----------------------------------------
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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: mshulman@emc.com (Mike Shulman)
Subject: Info req on good but moderatly priced restorants/pubs in London
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:12:02 GMT
Newsreader: MS Windows WinVN

Hello again everyone! I just posted a question on inexpensive lodging in
London, and I forgot to ask for restaurant recommendations.
 I am not necessarily looking for super-cheap places, but for moderately priced
ones with very good food and atmosphere.
Thanks in advance for your recommendations!

                                          - Mike Shulman  (mshulman@emc.com)

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: petreman@cs.sfu.ca (Cheryl Petreman)
Subject: Tennessee Info wanted
Reply-To: petreman@cs.sfu.ca (Cheryl Petreman)
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: NA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:41:45 GMT


What's there to see and do in Tennessee?  We're going to be in the 
neighbourhood for the first week of September and were planning on 
stopping in the Great Smokey Mountains, and possibly going to Mammoth
Cave (Kentucky).  Are there other interesting places we should see?

Thanks for any info.


    Cheryl Petreman
    (petreman@cs.sfu.ca)
From: colin@cs.uq.oz.au (Colin Millerchip)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: HELP :: Trans-Siberian Railway
Date: 21 Aug 92 06:04:27 GMT
Reply-To: colin@cs.uq.oz.au

Can anyone help? I'm looking to travel home to the UK via the
Trans-Siberian railway, and rather insanely am considering February as
the travel month. Any information re. cheapest tickets, necessities,
visas, the things to see, stop-over possibilities, scams not to be
caught by, and any other general hints, tips, information blah blah
blah very gratefully received. 
[I have some information which is a year or so out of date.] 

I start in Brisbane, probably fly to Malaysia, and from there my
itinerary is open. I gather that Hong Kong might be a good place to
pick up a cheaper ticket, which would be an incentive to visit.  

Oh, and I'm not a seasoned traveller, so all those dweeb hints might
still be useful... (is there a FAQ for this newsgroup?)

BTW, anyone else want to come along?!

Colin.

--
|Colin Millerchip           | "And all this science I don't understand,|
|University of Queensland,  |  It's just my job five days a week"      |
|Brisbane, Australia.       |   - "Rocketman", Elton John              |
|colin@cs.uq.oz.au          |                                          |
From: psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: shopping in St.Louis
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:12:29 GMT
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG

I'd appreciate shopping rewcommendations in ST.Louis, especially
near Washington University.
Bookshops, record/CD-shops, outlets

Thanks
Michael
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: ob@obh.in-berlin.de (Oliver Brandmueller)
Subject: Folx from Rome/Italy out there???
Organization: obh - private bbs in Berlin/Germany
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 13:16:53 GMT

Hi Folx,

is there someone from Rome/Italy readings this group? If so, please reply!
I'm visiting Rome in the end of September and would like to visit some
net-people (ya know, too long without the net is dangerous to ya health!).

Bye, hoping for answers, Olli (from Berlin/Germany)


-- 
| Oliver Brandmueller | Detmolder Str. 64 | 1000 Berlin 31 | Germany - (FRG) |
| ob@obh.in-berlin.de | V +49 30 853 6980 | Cityruf 315 30 68 30 (numerisch) |
| "Ich werde Millionaer, heirate Jodie Foster und nehme mir eine Nymphomanin |
|          als Putzfrau. Dann habe ich alles erreicht." - ob@school          |
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: Antarctica
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 23:08:25 GMT

|> I'm pretty sure there are flights to varios places in the Antartica from
|> Chile. 

Do these flights actually land somewhere in Antartica,
or do they just fly around and return to Chile?

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
Xref: sparky rec.travel:11641 soc.culture.indian:27836
From: banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Don't fly on Air India
Date: 12 Aug 1992 14:05:34 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug12.195101.27774@linus.mitre.org> rajiv@hilltop.mitre.org (Rajiv Kohli) writes:
>
>	Don't fly Air India.
>

To which you should add the rider ...."if you are Indian".

It pretty much sums up the airline attitude.

Samit

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: stevee@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Stephen Elmendorf)
Subject: Places to stay in OR/WA?
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:21:23 GMT

I had previously posted for information about what to do during a Dec. 
trip to Oregon. I have now formulated a plan. While there, we are planning
on driving north, eventually arriving in Seatle. We will probably stay there
at least one night, perhaps two. We will then head southeast, stop in Roslyn
(as a previous netter had done) and anywhere else along the way. We will cross
back into Oregon at (or near) The Dalles. We will then head west along the 
Columbia to Portland, and then back to Eugene.

Now my questions are: 1)Where to stay in Seatle? 2) Knowing the route, and 
what we might encounter, where would be a good place to stop on the return 
trip? and 3) Does anyone have suggestions on things we must do/see while 
we're out. I'm not set on this itinerary, it just seemed like a good start.
I don't want to spend more than about 3 days away from Eugene, if at all 
possible, so extended stops are discouraged (except in Seatle). All advice is
appreciated.

Best Regards,

stevee (stevee@candyo.sps.mot.com)


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|   /\    /   /    |  /  /    /		Motorola, Inc. - Oak Hill	|
|  /  \  /   /--   | /  /--  /--	Austin, TX (512) 891-2955	|
| /___/_/___/______|/  /___ /____	"These opinions be mine!"	|
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: ROD BANKS <ROD0@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: Cheap airfares to Asia
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:18:24 GMT

I must put in a good word for NW. I recently took their long haul (NW69)
from JFK to SYD via OSK. Ground staff at JFK were tops and the inflight
service was tops. What particularly impressed me was the efficient way
they handled the cancelled return flight (it never left JFK due to
mechanical).SYD ground staff notified me at my SYD hotel that they had
me booked on Qantas later in the day. When I got to the airport someone
took me in hand and arranged for my tickets to be rewritten.My final
destination was YFC via BOS out of JFK. I asked if rahter than
overnighting in NYC they would route me through Toronto to Fredericton.
A supervisor was contatcted and approval given. To top it all there was
no problem with my FF points-- I got NW points for the Qantas segment.
All in all a very good experience.  You netters with bad experiences
should give them another chance.  You might be pleasantly surprised.
In article <28702@option.GBA.NYU.EDU> smezias@option.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias) writes:
>In article <16q8o9INN1o3@agate.berkeley.edu> chriskim@ocf.berkeley.edu
>(Chris M. Kim) writes about the flying disaster that is NW airlines:
>All I can say is ditto, ditto, ditto.  NW went off my list of airlines
>to be used in 1987 after a series of unbelievable incompetencies; many
>complaints and letters brought no satisfaction.  Having never
>encountered such an arrogant company, I removed them from the list of
>possibles and have never reconsidered.
>
>.
>.

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 11:22:07 -0400 
From: "Louise B. McFeaters" <lm00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Kauai Must do's 

I will be in Kauai in a week with scuba gear and a bathing suit amd
wonder what I should do there. Any suggestions? Please reply.

Louise
From: owen@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: SF accommodations < $100
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:59:17 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <b2gQ02mA1eT601@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, cjs01@cd.amdahl.com (Chris Somers) writes:
> 
>    Friends of my girlfriend are coming out to visit for the Labor Day 
> weekend, but are arriving mid-week (Sep 02).  They already made reservations 
> somewhere in SF (don't know where) but it's costing them $100/nite.
> 
>    Can anyone recommend places in San Francisco that are a bit less (but 
> not sleazy =) ).  I've only been in the Bay Area a couple months, so I 
> don't know too much more than they do.
> 
I have friends who stay at the Grant Plaza, which is on Grant about 1
block inside the Chinatown gate.  Parking is at a public garage 2 or 3
blocks away, and thus inconvenient.  My friends like the Grant Plaza,
it's a good location, and I think they paid about $55/night last year
(Labor Day weekend).

You might also try the Sheehan on Sutter St. I've stayed there and, while
it's not fancy, is clean and well-located.  There are rooms with private
bath and some with shared bath.  My private bath single was about $55 or
$60 last time.  The clientele is largely European.  It also has an
indoor Olympic size pool.

Sorry, I don't have phone numbers handy for either.

Larry Owen
Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: cmu.misc.parents-network,rec.travel
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:01:11 -0400 
From: Deborah Fenner <df1f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: vacation with child

I'm a single parent with a 4 year old child.  I'm planning
a week's vacation for the two of us and have an idea about
the kind of place I'd like the two of us to go but don't know
if it exists.  I'd like to go to some kind of resort where
there would be other families with children of similar age
and where there are activities for the children so that I
could have some time to myself every day.  I'd also like 
babysitting services to be available at night if I chose to
stay out a night or two.  I guess I'd like this place to
be somewhere beautiful- it doesn't have to be in the U.S.
Thanks in advance for your help!

Debbie
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: thomasc@ms.uky.edu (Thomas Campbell)
Subject: chicago/atlanta
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 04:32:00 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Hi, I need help, I'm going to one of the above sometime next month
and I don't have a clue as to where to stay.  I just want some recc.
on a nice hotel to stay.  Nothing majorly fancy.. just something 
clean maybe with a pool.  Any information would be appreciated


Alex

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: davelett@athena.mit.edu (Richard Sun)
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh PA to NYC
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 10:10:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.065925.22039@abo.fi> klundqvi@abo.fi (Kurt Lundqvist AT) writes:
>I will be driving from Pittsburgh to New York in October.What places are there
>that I should visit on the way? I do have time to drive a few hundred miles
>extra to the north or south if it will be worth the while. Where should
>I do the shopping? I heard that the sales tax is 13.25 percent in NYC, while
>it is only 9 percent in Pittsburgh. Are products cheeper in downtown NY or
>in the surroundings? 

Sales tax in PA is 6% most places I know.  NYC sales tax is 8.25% (Only us
mathematicians can do that in our heads, and we always give the wrong
answer.)  However, Long Island, the suburb to the east of NYC, has sales
tax of 8.5%, the highest in the US.  

Electronics and clothing are good buys in NYC.  Other items are not
considerably more expensive, either; though the cost of doing business
is high, there's volume, volume, volume!  Just be sure not to spend too
much at tourist areas where the prices are jacked-up, like the
World Trade Center or South Street Seaport.  47th St Photo is a good
electronics store, but there are a few complaints about its service.
I like J&R Music World much better.  They're near City Hall, on Park Row.  

Clothing is a good buy, too, although it's not exempt from sales tax.
34th Street is a prime place, with Macy's, A&S, and a whole bunch of
cut-throat-priced shops around 6th and 7th Avenues.



Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: paul@maunakea.Data-IO.COM (Paul Brownlow)
Subject: Re: Alaskas Volcanic Activity: Info wanted
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:11:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.150800.24949@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
|> 
|>  Anyone have any info on the volcanic activity in and around the Anchorage
|> area? We are traveling to Anchorage next Friday and have heard the airport is
|> closed. I've also heard this is the second eruption this summer. Did that
|> eruption last very long? Any info would be appreciated.

I spoke to my mother-in-law last night (8/19) at 10pm ADT while Anchorage
was being showered with ash.  She lives about two miles from Anchorage
International.  At 10pm, the sun is normally up and the sky bright.  Last
night it was so dark she could barely see the streetlight in front of
her house from her living room window.  By that time, they had about
1/4" of ashfall.  She was staying inside because the ash immediately
got in her eyes when she went outside.

My wife and I were in Anchorage around the 4th of July, about a week
after the previous eruption.  That ash plume missed Anchorage and we
could see no evidence of it.  Neither eruption lasted very long.  Yesterday's
was a matter of hours and the earlier one was of similar duration.

I think the airport has reopened as of this morning.  I'll likely have more
information tonight when I call back up there.
-- 
Paul Brownlow				|         Visualize 
Data I/O Corp.  Redmond, WA		|	   Whirled
paul@data-io.com			|	    Peas
					|
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: colo@odie.ee.wits.ac.za (Illan Colombick)
Subject: Re: ATM machines
Organization: Wits Electrical Engineering (Novell Users).
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:43:26 GMT

In article <twilson.713538700@cunews> twilson@alfred.carleton.ca (Tom Wilson) writes:

>Unfortunately, as I recently found out, Plus, Cirrus, Interac, and
>Ideal do not extend to Australia. At least the bank people I dealt
>with in Sydney had never heard of them.

Damn. What about Japan? My thing works on Cirrus only, I think.

   ......
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From: snood@eng.umd.edu (Thomas Chi-Tseng Lu)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Travel in South America
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:56:01 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: snood@kapsali.eng.umd.edu



My friend will be teaching English in Venezula this winter.
After teaching for a few months she wants to backpack 
(hostel's & cheap hotels) for a while in South America
with her friend.  

Anyone been there?  Had any problems?  Where are some 
good places to go?

-Tom
From: tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Duluth, Minnesota
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:48:45 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <9208191706.AA10072@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, 
APUCORLE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU writes:
> 
> Any suggestions on fun things to do in and around
> Duluth, Minnesota?  Thanks!

It's been a while, but here goes...

Go to the Brule river (about 40 miles away) to canoe or fly fish (tubing 
is illegal).  See the only (I think) Whaleback freighter left in
in existance (It might be in Superior, Wisconsin, but same difference).
See the Worlds largest iron ore loading docks.  Enjoy water sports on
Lake Superior if you are *VERY* warm blooded or own a good wetsuit.
*OR* you could even visit some of my ex-inlaws ;-).  Den you could have
a few brews and hop in da sauna wit a nice Finlander girl who's built
like a Jack Pine stump... A?  Yooo betcha!  An since you're not from
up der, try not to be to much of a hoser... A? 

  TED FEUERBACH   Scientific Systems Consultant  Trilogy Consulting, Inc. 
  Lake St. Louis, MO        (314) 537-6603       tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
  Disclaimer:  The opinions expressed herein are MY OWN and obviously not
  the opinions of Trilogy, Monsanto or either of my two ex-wives.   
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: davelett@athena.mit.edu (Richard Sun)
Subject: Re: Shopping in Washington D.C. (Repost - maybe)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 06:40:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.190623.20720@julian.uwo.ca> koops@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Luke Koops) writes:
>I am going to be in Washington D.C. for a few days, and
>I'd like to do some shopping.  Are there any good factory shoe outlets?
>Are there any unique stores or attractions that are a must-see?  Please send
>answers via e-mail.

Union Station has a bunch of nice stores, but it's on the pricey side.

If you have a car, Potomac Mills Mall in Fairfax County (?) in Virginia is a
must-see.  It's about an hour south on I-95, I think, but it's a HUGE mall
with lots of lower-priced brand-name merchandise.
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air,ba.market.misc
From: shiau@novell.com (Shyue Chin Shiau)
Subject: Air Ticket for Sale. Round trip San Jose, CA <--> Newwark, Ny
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:08:42 GMT


United airlines.
Origin port: San Jose, CA
Round trip to: Newwark NJ( New York)
For sale: $200
8/25 - 9/5.



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