HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gwlester@cpu.com (Gerald W. Lester)
Subject: Re: mkdir
Organization: Computerized Processes Unlimited, Metairie, LA, (504)-889-2784
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:02:05 GMT
Reply-To: gwlester@cpu.com

In article <1992Nov8.100954.6657@news.columbia.edu>, stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang) writes:
>In article <bazyar.721213865@teal> bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:
>>stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang) writes:
>>
>>>	Yeah, that's a possible problem with using other file
>>>systems... :(  Well, accept colons for those who must have /'s in
>>>their filenames, and convert /'s for those who are so used to /'s can
>>>still use them.
>>
>>   Steve, this isn't necessary.  GNO & GS/OS can deal just fine with both
>>colons and slashes as separators.  You ought to see the logic in GNO's
>>pathname processing code to deal with it!  Under GNO and I presume
>>GS/OS too, you can CD into directories on an HFS, etc. volume with the slash,
>>as long as none of the pathname components have slashes in them.
>
>	I know GS/OS can handle them both for ProDOS...  from James'
>statement about :'s being the only separator for HFS, I guess I was
>under the impression that to access a HFS it would require /hd1/path
>to be :hd1:path...  but I could be wrong... I'm not that up to date
>about HFS and GS/OS...
>
>Steven Chiang                  Order - DreamGrafix:  The ONLY 16/256/3200
>stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu       color paint program for the Apple IIGS.
>America On_Line:  DWS Steve
>Genie:  S.Chiang4              Apple IIGS Forever!

	Steve,

	Using GNO, I access paths on my HFS disk with "/" all of the time.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
From: achauhan@warsaw.math.macalstr.edu (Amrit Chauhan)
Subject: Re: uEMACS, etc...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:22:43 GMT

 writes

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< > PL: amritc@pro-hlg         				       < >
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: Matt Ackeret <unknown@apple.com>
Subject: Re: system 7 mac as a gs file server
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:18:44 GMT
X-Xxdate: Thu, 5 Nov 92 13:20:12 GMT
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A71ED00C820103E7@kip2-42.apple.com>
Organization: Apple

In article <Bx95ME.F59@hfglobe.intel.com> George Rachor,
george@hfglobe.intel.com writes:
>were going to put a larger drive in the mac.  Before we really consider
>buying a drive for the gs I was wondering if the mac could be used to
act as
>a file server for the gs.

Well, yeah, you can use Personal Filesharing in System 7 on the Mac to
share 
volumes/folders with your GS, but it would be very advantageous to ALSO
have
a hard drive on your GS.  Booting the system is just soooo much faster
on a hard drive (esp w/RamFAST card) than off of floppies.

So yes, filesharing is a very handy way to use part of a Mac's drive for
storage, but
it definitely is slow doing stuff over the network, and having a hard
drive
locally is better.

My views, not Apple's.
From: herbertf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Herbert Fung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Hard drive compression etc.
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 22:40:47 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

With the release of hard drive compression utilities, HardPressed and 
Auto Arc
brings up a question. Both of these utilities are boasting that they will
double the size of the hard drive. So my question is, will a 20 meg hard 
drive
equiped with HardPressed or Auto Arc become a 40 meg drive? If so, will 
it have
to be partitioned?
 
--
Herbert Fung                    | "Hard work doesn't make miracles,
Edmonton Remote Systems         |   Miracles just make hard work!"
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada       |       The Herbster! 1988

Herbert Fung              herbertf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: FORDE@UV6.EGLIN.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: 5.25 Question
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:26:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


I previously wrote....
>... one Apple 5.25 drive.  My son has an Apple //e with one 5.25 drive (bought
>in 1984) and one 3.5 Unidisk.  Presently, my son has the Unidisk
>controller in slot 7 and the 5.25 controller in slot 6.  He wants to swap
>those to allow booting from Apple Pascal 3.5 disks.  UNfortunately, putting
>the 5.25 controller in slot 7 means he always must have a boot disk in
>that drive or else the //e wanders off into LA-LA land while it waits for
>something to come from that slot.  I understand very well why that is (so ...

and Tom Kelly replied....
>With the UniDisk controller in slot 7 the ][e will boot from it (3.5 disk).
>Why would you want to swap the cards?
>Most systems I've seen have 5.25 in slot 6 and UniDisk in slot 5.
>Swapping those would make it boot from UniDisk in slot 6.

RTFQ, Tom -- read the full question!  Pascal won't boot from slot 7.  
Putting the 5.25 in slot 5 causes some older copy protected programs to 
gag and quit.  My son has already dealt with the problem by using a small 
Applesoft program on the 5.25 to boot the 3.5 in a lower slot.  I was just 
looking for a more elegant solution.  Thanks for the answers, though.  I 
guess I just put too much info in my questions -- all I really wanted to 
find out was whether the 5.25 drives sold with the GS are the 'smart' ones 
or merely repackaged dumb drives.  It seems the latter is the case.

Eric S. Ford
forde@uvg.eglin.af.mil
From: foegelle@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Foegelle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: RamFast problems anyone?
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:43:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.83142
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <y1aPTB1w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> djredick@bluemoon.rn.com (Darrin J. Redick) writes:
>foegelle@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Foegelle) writes:
>
>> WILL make it work with the Zip, although of course you'll never get DMA.  If
>> you'd bothered reading your manual or checking with the dealers or CV Tech,
>> you'd have found this out.
>> 
>> Michael Foegelle
>> 
>> 
>FYI, it didn't COME with a manual, and Drew didn't tell me anything I
>didn't already know.  What I NEED TO KNOW is what switches to turn ON
>and OFF to disable DMA!
>
Where'd you get it that they didn't give you a manual?  

Telling you which switch (I dunno 'cuz I'm not at home with my computers) 
affects DMA won't help you anyway.  Like I said, without the Zip modification,
it just plain WON'T WORK with the Zip!  Drew has to cut a trace or two and 
solder some new ones and then replace the EPROM with a modified one.  So it's
pointless to be spouting all this other nonsense that was going back and 
forth when the problem IS known and the fix IS available and the whole thing
has absolutely nothing to do with DMA!  

>
>   ______________________________________________________________________
>  |                                                                      |
>  | InterNet: djredick@bluemoon.use.com                                  |
>  |______________________________________________________________________|


Michael Foegelle
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jmk3@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Jay M. Krell)
Subject: Re: Apple II SuperDrive card, Apple Catalog
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date:  8 Nov 92 02:56:11 GMT

>>
>> Try this phone number which was posted by one of the Apple people a
>> few days ago!  (800) 795-1000.
 
>What about those of us who are outside the US?  0800 numbers don't work.
 
>David Empson
 
Are any 800 numbers availabe internationally? If so, I expect Apple to be
professional/courteous enough to have their's availabe. Anyway, fax is
(302)678-9200 and the address is The Apple Catalog, One Apple Plaza, PO Box
9001, Clearwater, FL 34618-9001

  --Jay, jay.krell@cornell.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: mkheintz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Michael Heintz)
Subject: Re: StyleWriter
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:12:36 GMT

In article <92304.013627TJK111@psuvm.psu.edu> <TJK111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I just bought a StyleWriter, and AWGS & GWIII cannot print to it correctly.
>GWIII cannot print in 360 dpi and AWGS & GWIII both loose full justification
>at 360 dpi. Graphics & text are misaligned. What gives? Would a Deskjet be
>better?  Is it the driver? Any updates? Any help appreciated.

You either don't have enough memory to render the image correctly at 360dpi,
or you don't have the right size fonts in your */SYSTEM/FONTS directory.

An easy solution to the memory problem would be to upgrade to at least 2 MB
from any reputable mail-order company.  Quality Computers comes to mind, but
there are other places with cheaper prices.

If you don't have the right sized fonts, try Pointless because then you will
be able to use fonts in all different sizes.  Pointless generates the font
you need, up to 255pt.

You need a font that is four times the size of the font on the screen for
printing to the StyleWriter.  If you are printing 12pt, you will need a copy
of the same font (with matching family ID, too) in 48pt.  Either you put this
other font in the font subdirectory, or you get Pointless because Pointless
will generate the 48pt font on-the-fly.

	Hope this helps,
		...Mike


-- 
Michael Heintz, Oakland University - Rochester, Michigan
InterNet:  mkheintz@vela.acs.oakland.edu 
BITNET:    mkheintz@oakland.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jmk3@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Jay M. Krell)
Subject: Re: Launching data files from ProSel.
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:33:20 GMT

>From: johnmac@fawlty.towers.oz.au (John MacLean)
>Subject: Launching data files from ProSel.

>I now have an answer to previous questions on this subject (specifically
about ProSel).

>If a SYS file starts with $4C XX XX $EE $EE $40 followed by a buffer of
>size $40 bytes, certain launchers are capable of launching the SYS file,
>and then putting the data file name in the buffer (in P-string format).
>...
>so can anyone
>confirm this (possibly pointing me at the correct tech note)?

>John MacLean

I _think_ this is documented in the ProDOS 8 Technical Reference.

Jay
jay.krell@cornell.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: bkogawa@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Bryan Ogawa)
Subject: Re: Digital joystick conversion?
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 01:46:49 GMT

I believe that the old joysticks used something odd, like the joystick
buttons, to give digital response from the joystick (I don't know that for
certain, though)
That's why I think that it does it.

as for the other thing...I thought of that a while ago, but I don't ever
recall something that would do that... (I haven't been in the II community
as long as some, but I have been interested in Apple IIs since about, well,
4th or 5th grade????? (didn't get one until 7th...)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Help: WordPerfect Problem!!
From: <DBEHRENS@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Saturday, 7 Nov 1992 15:49:58 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

I have just purchased WordPerfect version 2.1 from a person on the network
and I put the disk in the drive and the title screen appears, then I get a
system beep and an error message:
 "Tool Missing or Incompatible-->0110"  or
 "Tool Missing or Incompatible-->0046"
 
Those two messages is all that I get and there seems to be no order to their
appearance, I think that it is just random.
 
I currently have an IIgs with 1.25 Meg RAM (GS-RAM from Applied Engineering)
and ROM 00 (Yes, I'm working on getting the upgrade, it's just a matter on
driving to Cincinnati and letting the computer store replace the chips.
If anyone knows what is going on, please let me know!
 
Thanks,
Dennis J. Behrens
DBehrens@MiamiU.Bitnet
 
P.S. Can I use my GS-RAM card and the 4Meg Q-Ram from Quality Computers
     together, so I won't loose all that RAM space?
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: ltchean@rambutan.iss.nus.sg (lim thye chean)
Subject: Re: GS/OS FST
Reply-To: ltchean@iss.nus.sg (lim thye chean)
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:12:05 GMT

In article <73965@apple.Apple.COM> dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons) writes:
>In article <AWILLIS.92Nov1041412@posse.mit.edu> awillis@athena.mit.edu (Albert Willis) writes:
>>Perhaps I missed the last thread....what advantages would a 'GS/OS' FST have 
>>vs. a HFS FST?
>
>The potential advantage is mainly speed.

So, will there be newer version of FASTER HFS FST? HFS IS SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOW.

>Yet Another File System--my sentiments exactly.  A new not-compatible-with-
>anthing file system would bring unnecessary confusion to the world, as well
>as needing new experts & utilities for disk repair.

I think basically what we want is something better than ProDOS, but not as
slow as what HFS FST offers.

>Such a project is *technically* interesting to me, but not interesting in
>practice.  There's much more pressing stuff to do.

Like? 8)

>-- 
>David A. Lyons, Apple Computer, Inc.      |   DAL Systems
>Apple II System Software Engineer         |   P.O. Box 875
>Internet:dlyons@apple.com                 |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875
>
>My opinions are my own, not Apple's.

-- 
    %% GS Lover Loves GS %%    Author of Super Magic 3 & Mandelbrot II GS
    %%  and Avatar too.  %%   
          Lim Thye Chean: Lim is my surname. My name is Thye Chean.
     My address: LTCHEAN@ISS.NUS.SG, or 9, College Green, Singapore 1129
From: stuckey@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Anthony J. Stuckey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Just waiting for the CBA2 flames...
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:19:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxBKw1.A5x
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:
>  Still, is anyone answering them?  And don't ask me to; I volunteered
>to moderate.

	I answer some.  with the obligatory "take it to the right newsgroup, dork"
line...
--
Anthony J. Stuckey		stuckey@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu

"And if you frisbee-throw a universe where does it go?"
             Turquoise, Steve Blunt.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn)
Subject: Re: Golden Oldie
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:37:00 GMT


Thanks everyone who told me about Muffin. It is indeed exactly what I
needed.

But, I'm getting about 3-4 emails a day, and everyone is saying to use
Muffin. OK, OK, OK. Enough's enough. <g>

Joe Kohn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn)
Subject: inCider/A+
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:45:56 GMT


inCider/A+ Damage Control Report:

Please help to spread the word that the previously announced changes to
inCider/A+ will NOT be happening, as previously reported. inCider will NOT
be changing its focus towards the mac in February, 1993.

Personally, I feel a little silly because it was me who posted the original
messages (I think, who can remember last month's rumors?). I'll admit it...I
was wrong.

In any case, there will be no major changes to inCider's focus come the Feb
issue. Nor the March issue. Not the April issue.

Joe Kohn
Contributing Editor, inCider/A+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: What is .bsq?
From: cxdb14@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (RANDY)
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:50:49 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <BxB3uu.184@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, kls0@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Plague) writes:
> .bsq means that the file in binary encoded.  For your GS, get GScii+ (NDA) 
> written by Derek Taubert.  If you're using a //e, //c, use BinSCII, if you're
> using Unix, use SciiBIN.
> 
> Those programs should be available on ccosun.caltech.edu

Is that to say I can get the SCIIbin source there? And while I'm at it, here's
another question: Can someone tell me where I can get Zmodem source, and can
I compile it and use it myself or do you have to do some system stuff to make
it work? I sure would like to be able to do Zmodem binary transfers rather than
Kermit transfers of binscii'ed or uuencoded files.

Randy Shackelford     cxdb14@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Question: Grammar Checkers?
From: <DBEHRENS@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 6 Nov 1992 08:04:59 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In the fall issue of Enhance Newsletter from Quality Computers they offer two
different grammar checkers both at the same price and I'm wondering which one
is much better and catches more errors.  If anyone can answer this I would
appreciate it.
 
Thanks,
 
Dennis J. Behrens
DBehrens@MiamiU.Bitnet
From: dirk@GAGA.MASCHINENBAU.UNI-DORTMUND.DE
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Where is SSSi?
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:21:28 GMT
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Don, 5. Nov 1992 12:14:56 Uhr

Hi there!

  I would like to know how to reach Simple Software 
Solutions, Inc., the creators of Genesys. I would like to 
get an update of Genesys (my version is 1.2.3) and I 
ordered DeskPak 2.0 more than a year ago and haven't heard 
anything from SSSi for long.
  Does anybody know something about them or if there is a 
version of Genesys that can handle System 6 resources? 
Please email any comments to me, as I have not direct
access to comp.sys.apple2 and I am not sure that I get all 
messages. I'll post the answers back to c.s.a2.

Thanks in advance!

Dirk

|Dirk Froehling - dirk@gaga.maschinenbau.uni-dortmund.de|
|Uni Dortmund, FB Maschinenbau, LS Mechanik             |
|"GS is not dead, it just smells funny!" - FZ modified  |

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca (Jerry Penner)
Subject: GEnieLamp
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:33:31 GMT

Due to a complaint about the excessive advertising for GEnie contained
in the GEnieLamp newsletter, I will not be posting it anymore.  I
haven't heard from the GEnie editor on this.  I guess if you want to
read it, you'll have to get a GEnie account.  I suppose I could upload
it to an FTP site but I'm not sure that violates the advertising
principles of the Internet any less than posting it directly.  If I
get more than 30 letters in my mailbox I will consider posting it.
That's not a promise but if there are enough "yes" votes for it, I
can't see how I should let one complaint stop the interested from
reading it.
-- 
Jerry Penner   jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca   Try a 1-line .sig today.
From: rheinze@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: What is .bsq?
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:04:19 EST
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

What does the suffix  .bsq  mean?
How do you download/unpack/use a file with .bsq?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca (Jerry Penner)
Subject: GEnieLamp will be posted again
Summary: You want it, here it is...
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 08:43:45 GMT


The next four posts with the Subject 'GEnieLamp Nov 1992 [4 parts]'
will contain the Apple II version of this newsletter from the GEnie
service.  I only counted 3 "advertisements" for GEnie in it, one being
the disclaimer/attribution segment that any GEnie RTC transcript or
document must bear if re-printed or distributed.  That's not too much
in most people's opinions so I feel right in posting it.  Anyhow,
there's a lot of advertising on the Internet, and this is no where
close to being a problem.  (Check out comp.sys.*.advocacy if you don't
believe me. :)

If you don't like this, please let everyone else enjoy it, and press
'n', 'k', or stick 'GEnieLamp' in your killfile.

Here goes...
-- 
Jerry Penner   jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca   Try a 1-line .sig today.
From: irie@husc11.harvard.edu (Robert E. Irie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: DOS 3.3 Launcher
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:05:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc11.IRIE.92Nov11110547
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: bird@cbnewsd.cb.att.com's message of Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:04:28 GMT

hmmm One reason *I* havent sent my check out is because I cant seem
to FIND Dos 3,3 launcher. Does any ftp site have it? (I am usually
too lazy to get it from c.b.a2 and wait till it appears on ccosun or
somewhere else)
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From: marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com (Marc Wolfgram)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: How do I delete file comments?
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:54:29 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Jawaid (you know who) suggested the following to make an extended file P8
compatible:

>SetEOF(0) on the resource fork.

Sorry, but while that may actually clear the resource fork contents, the
file's storage type will remain extended (type 5) which is what P8 chokes
on in the first place.  Jawaid's second suggestion is better:

>Copy the data fork to a new file, delete the old one, rename the new
>one to be the same as the original.

Marc Wolfgram
AOL: M Wolfgram   GEnie: M.WOLFGRAM2   inet: marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com
There are two ways to write bug-free code and only the third one works!
From: marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com (Marc Wolfgram)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Disk drive sticktion(?)
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:08:42 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Paul Schultz writes:
> ...ST277N drive (circa 1987) and on rare occasions it won't come up to
>speed and the drive LED flashes a number of times.  When I power down and
>re-boot, it usually goes away.  Is this STICTION??

No... stiction is where the drive does not spin at all... Usually you can
get a "stuck" drive to spin up by tapping on the frame or by snapping it
in the axis of the spindle (much like a frisbee - but don't let go.)

Somebody mentioned a few posts back that he removed the drive cover and turned
the platters by hand (gasp!)  This is NOT a safe practice - the smallest bit
of dust can cause a physical head crash later, making for nice decorative
platters to hang on the wall and impress your friends.  In a last ditch effort
this can be tried but plan on pulling everything off the drive if you succeede
and then plan on retiring the mechanical.

Back to you're problem :)  The flashing LED is an indication that there was
either a physical or logical problem accessing the drive.  Most drives have
this form of SOS to tell you that something isn't right but it's not dead
yet.  If this is truely rare, then it could be something as simple as the CPU
tripping the drive before its ready or just a bad day.

Marc Wolfgram
AOL: M Wolfgram   GEnie: M.WOLFGRAM2   inet: marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com
There are two ways to write bug-free code and only the third one works!