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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:10:32 LCL
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Subject:      8087 question...

1) float=no 8086 against 8087
2) float=yes 8086 against 8087
3) float=no 8086 against 80286
4) float=yes 8086 against 80826
5) float=no (8086)+8087 against 80286
6) float=yes (8086)+8087 aginst 80286
what exact differences in speed would i have ?
if anyone knows the difference in speed or just the calculating times please
tell me because i'm thinking of buying a 8087 or a 80286.

P.S. i'm interested in ALL above comparisons but especially NO:(5) ,(6), (2).
thanks on behalf,Gregory Tsakaleris,agriculture engineer in thessaloniki univ.
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 10:59:35 EDT
From:         Alex Polymenopoulos <TEACH011@UMUC.BITNET>
Subject:      Lyapunov dimension.

Does anybody have a code for Fractal dimension estimation by using the
Lyapunov exponent?
Thanks,
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 08:40:00 CDT
From:         tonto <GJ05286@SWTEXAS.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: FRACTINT for VMS

> I didnt know, that FRACTINT is also available for other computers and
> operating systems but the IBM-PC running MS-DOS.
> So my question is, where can I get the FRACTINT for VAX-Station 3100 running
> VMS 5.5.

i only have access to _apollo_ unix and have run into trouble getting xfractint
to fly, particularly with the timing routines.  i *believe* that if you can
get xfractint to go (perhaps more campatible on sun?), getting xfractint to
work in VMS is a matter of running xwindows in a unix shell on the vax.
running xwindows in a unix shell on the vax works..  *that's* not the problem..
anyone else running into trouble with xfract100 /time.h incompatibilities?
i have tried bsd4.3's time.h, sys5.4's time.h, and apollo's time.h with
not much luck.  fractint.h also causing probs, but i haven't looked where yet.

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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:47:03 CDT
From:         Dave Uherka <UHERKA@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Fractals in Economy?

On Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:01:59 LCL <KID06@PLWRAE51> said:
>Could you tell me about fractals in economy?
>I know about the article in Mondelbrot's book.
>I appreciate the answer!
>
>Radek Pruchnik
>KID06@PLWRAE51.BITNET

Radek:  Last year someone on this list mentioned the following
book:  _Nonlinear Dynamical Economics and Chaotic Motion_,
by H.W. Lorenz, Springer Verlag, NY, 1989.

I looked at it and it had many of the standard topics
in chaos including fractal attractors.  I don't recall
what it said about economics though.

Dave Uherka
Math Dept, Univ of ND, USA
(now on leave at Los Alamos Natl Lab)
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 10:59:00 N
From:         SERFLING@DDAGSI5.BITNET
Subject:      RE: FRACTINT for VMS

Hello FRACTINT-users !!!

I didnt know, that FRACTINT is also available for other computers and
operating systems but the IBM-PC running MS-DOS.
So my question is, where can I get the FRACTINT for VAX-Station 3100 running
VMS 5.5.

Thanks in advance       cu VOLKER

(SERFLING@DDAGSI5.BITNET)

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From: FRENKEL@CPMAIL-AM.CIS.COLUMBIA.EDU (Tom Frenkel)
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Subject: FRACTINT v10.0: 406K
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:05:35 GMT
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> I've looked through several archives and haven't found any MS-DOS version
> of fractint that I can transfer on a floppy....
>
  I have FRACTINT version 10.0, MS-DOS, which (including documentation
and everything) takes up 406K.  Is this of any interest?    --Tom
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:18:00 N
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Subject:      reply -> Sven Tuerpe

reply --> sven tuerpe et.al.

there are many questions like :

- where can I get xyz..
- where can I ftp so and so
- on which site can I find bla-bla

I think that should not be the place to ask such things because everybody
can get these informations from any archie-server. You can reach these
servers interactivly via TELNET or by e-mail.
Here are some adresses. Please connect only to servers on your continent!!

  archie.funet.fi       Europe          FUNET, Finland
  archie.doc.ic.ac.uk   UK/Europe       Imperial College, London, UK
  archie.au             Australia       Deakin University, Geelong, Australia
  archie.sura.net       US              SURANET, Maryland, US
  archie.rutgers.edu    US              Rutgers University, New Jersey, US
  archie.unl.edu        US              Lincoln, Nebraska, US
  archie.ans.net        US              ANS, New York, US
  archie.mcgill.ca      Canada          McGill University, Montreal, Canada


cul8r           VOLKER


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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 09:07:17 EST
From:         Roberto Perli <PERLIR@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Fractal Program Generator
X-To:         FRAC-L%GITVM1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

==> Recently on the numerical analysis network, na-net, there
==> was a discussion of efficient FFT 's although they did not
==> mention specific sources of code.  A person who seemed
==> knowledgeable about efficient FFT algorithms was David H.
==> Bailey <dbailey@nas.nasa.gov>.  Maybe you could give him
==> an email call.  Perhaps he could at least point you toward
==> some sources.
==>
==> Dave Uherka
==> Math Dept, U. of ND (now on leave at Los Alamos Natl Lab)


Please, could you give me the complete email address of na-net? I am
quite interested in numerical analysis stuff. Thank you.

R. Perli
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:51:07 MEZ
From:         sven tuerpe <tuerpe@AIX520.INFORMATIK.UNI-LEIPZIG.DE>
Subject:      Sourcecode needed
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  I need the source code of FRACTINT. Doe's anyone know where I can obtain
  that?

  Another problem: Are there programs for creating fractal images on UNIX
  systems available?

  Sven Tuerpe
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:04:05 CDT
From:         Jay Steven Sultan <sult@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: A REBUT TO JAY

Very nice, mary. But entirely off point.

I am quiet proud of the US in both motive in action in WWI, WWII, Korea,
Vietnam, Panama, Kuwait, and whatever elkse you listed.

Are you proud of what these two flakes did?

I stand by the agenda and the actions of the US.  Do you stand by the actions
of these two 'activists'?

I respect you Mary, although I disagree with some of what you think.  I am
asking you if you will disassociate yourself from the people who drive metal
spikes into trees, who try to kill the president, who hurt themselves and
others to make a point of non-violence.

Extremeism on either end is intollerable.  I stand by the US but I dismiss
the extremeists on the right.  Do you dismiss the extremeists on the left?

I walk with people who I disagree with, but I do not walk with those who who
sanction or tollerate abhorrent behavior.  Fighting a war to prevent the
extermination of all jews is something that I am proud of.  Are you proud of
a woman who wants to set fire to innocent people so she can make a political
point?

Jay Steven Sultan                 Internet: sult@quads.uchicago.edu
University of Chicago

"Entitlement does not lead to Empowerment."   Jay Steven Sultan
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From: shane@cco.caltech.edu (Shane Sauby)
Subject: Re: War and Other Violence
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:04:03 GMT

So what you are saying is that we should not fight wars, for whatever reason,
since the soldiers eventually will not be soldiers anymore.

I'm sorry, but this seems rather silly.  Having grown up in L.A. and gone to
L.A. schools I know where violence comes from, and they don't look like Vets.
You mention that crime went up after each war ended, which makes sense since
each time a war ended thousands of people returned to find themselves out of
work, sometimes without homes, and in the case of Vietnam, hated by many of 
their fellow Americans.  To blame violence on war is like blaming the light on
the lightbulb.  People are violent.  People commit crimes.  Whether there was a war right before someone commited a crime doesn't really matter.

Shane Sauby
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:31:05 CDT
From:         Jay Steven Sultan <sult@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: War and Other Violence

Two role models for peace activists....

In New York, one self-avowed peace activists doused herself with gasoline and
endangered herself and a number of people nearby as she threatened to set
her-self on fire, protesting against the money spent on weapons.

In Las Vegas, a gentlemen charged ex-president reagan, assulting him with
flying pieces of broken glass, shouting something about nuclear testing.

These are easy targets to ridicule the peace activists, made the more
pathetic by their apparently earnest beliefs (but buring innocent children or
killing a senile old man are ok).

But, on a serious note, I wonder if the leaders of the peace movements
(whatever that means - we are reducing our military at an abhorent rate
already) realize how much these isolated incidents hurt their credibility.
Actions like these allow even the educated masses to dismiss the legitimate
goals of (for example) people on this list by associating them with the
flakes who perform these violent acts.

As much as i can be steriotyped by Jim Baker, you are being steriotyped by
these people.  I suggest that you get your house in order.

Jay Steven Sultan                 Internet: sult@quads.uchicago.edu
University of Chicago

"Entitlement does not lead to Empowerment."   Jay Steven Sultan
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 06:23:00 EST
From:         CATHYF%EARLHAM.bitnet@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU
Subject:      stereotypes

Jay, how in the world do you expect "leaders of the peace movements'
(whoever they are, whatever that is) to have control over individuals
such as you describe? Do you imagine that those working for peace and
against war as an obsolete, counterproductive mode of conflict
resolution function as a single entity, with "leaders" who tell us
what to do?
   We are supposed to have endless tolerance for atrocities committed
by soldiers during wartime, ascribing such to bad judgment, combat
stress, etc. (assuming of course, that the perpetrators of the atrocities
are OUR soldiers). But let one person self-incinerate in the name of
"peace", and suddenly all "peace activists" are supposed to be
discredited. Doesn't seem too consistent to me.
   It's interesting that the dangers to innocent bystanders you
mention in such incidents are found to be more appalling than the
killing and crippling of tens of thousands of equally innocent
bystanders by our bombing raids in Iraq. Let's keep things in
perspective, please.
             Peace, Cathy Flick
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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 07:46:00 EST
From:         CATHYF%EARLHAM.bitnet@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU
Subject:      War and Other Violence

Glenda Rae Hernandez of South Bend, Indiana USA passes along this powerful
letter from a local citizen, published in the South Bend Tribune in early
April. It makes a good connection between war and other violence.
      Peace, Cathy Flick (Indiana Pledge of Resistance)
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VIOLENCE, ONCE LEARNED, BREEDS VIOLENCE
[From "Voice of the People" on the opinion page in the South Bend Tribune,
April 6, 1992]

    In the United States, children attend school and learn reading, writing
and arithmetic. They use these skills the rest of their lives and society
benefits from it.
    I grew up in Huntington, Indiana in the '30s and '40s. The police were
like the Maytag Repairman--they had nothing to do.
    Along came the Second World War, followed by the Korean War, then came the
Vietnam mess, followed by the Iraq conflict.
    The conflicts cost hundreds of thousands of young men and women their
lives. The people who stayed home paid trillions of dollars in taxes to
support this carnage. Tens of millions of people went into the service. The
normal routine was to go through basic training to be turned into soldiers.
They were taught to kill, with many different ways to accomplish this.
   After serving their time, they were sent home to live as citizens of the
U.S. The resultant effect was increased violence of all kinds. Every time we
went to war the violence increased in this country. The soldiers were taught
violence and it cannot be turned off and on that easily. So the people are
still paying for allowing the wars to happen.
        --Max A. Clabaugh, Etna Green, Indiana USA
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[Added note from CF: Actually, we're still paying for WWII in the ordinary
sense as well-- our government went into debt for that war, and a portion of
our taxes still goes to pay off the debt with interest.]
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:00:00 +0000
From:         STUMPPM%AC%CSC@CSC.ISU.EDU
Subject:      A REBUT TO JAY
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This is a rebuttal to Jay.  What I've done here is used his own words
with brackets around what I changed.  You see, the point is that it
goes both ways.

But, on a serious note, I wonder if the leaders of [this country]
(whatever that means - we are reducing our military at an abhorrent
rate [whatever is - is too damn much.] already) realize how much
these isolated incidents [WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama,
Iraq] hurt their credibility.  Actions like these allow even the
educated masses to dismiss the legitimate goals of (for example)
people on [the public payroll, ever mindful that as a registered
voter, I AM the US government] by associating them with the flakes
[George "no new taxes" Herbert "read my lips" Walker Bush] who
perform these violent acts.

Violence, regardless to the reason, hurts us all.  I refuse to
give myself or allow myself to be abandoned into a realm of the
human condition which is surmountable simply by exercising
dignity and respect.  Setting oneself on fire or setting someone
else on fire, say by using napalm, are the same thing and have
the same result:  All of us are hurt.

Extend the respect YOU want and you'll get it back.  It's a long
road.  Jay, will you walk with me?

Mary Stumpp
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 08:48:24 EDT
From:         "Donald F. Parsons MD" <DFP10@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Error messages for D08H@RS550.ZFN.UNI-BREMEN.DE

Our list cannot deliver to this address and apparantly it is part of a
group mailing.  Can the person responsible for this group mailing
delete this address? Thanks. Don

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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:12:09 -0400
From:         CAMACHO@ECSUC.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject:      My keyboard's falling and it....
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Help, last night my keyboard locked up on me and won't allow me
to enter any text. The caps lock key is blinking like crazy too.
Before this happened my monitor has been acting flakying for awhile.
I'm sure the problem has nothing to do with the monitor, but I thought
that I might state it. What could be the problema?

Carlos
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 07:05:55 -0400
From:         Herbert I Brown <hibrown@CS.ALBANY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: TeX on ab20
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While we are on the subject of TeX, let me ask the following question.
What is the 'best' way to learn how to use TeX?

Herb

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From:         CHUCHEM@BGUEE.BITNET
Subject: Re: TeX on ab20

pastex 1.3 DOES support LaTeX, look in macros/latex directory
You might have to do some assigns to get it to work properly,
but it certainly does work.
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:07:49 EDT
From:         Cocteau <IBY141@URIACC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: MultiScan Monitors

Brent,

  I'm interested in the # for that Loop monitor you mentioned.  Does it
come with the appropriate cable for use with the 2000?  Or is that
something I'd have to go out and get?  I've got the old 1084 at the
moment with the round DB type connector.

Andrew Cerreault
IBY141 @ URIACC
IBY141 @ URIACC.URI.EDU
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 11:37:30 GMT
From:         MP_STRATFOLD@VAX.ACS.OPEN.AC.UK
Subject:      Re: Z-files

Thanks for your help.  I will pull the COMPRESS file from ab20 since I
can't find a VAX version on the VAX here.  I shall also read the README
files suggested too, something I guess I should have done already.

Thanks again. Matt.
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From:         jeff lewis <JLEWIS@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Squeezing drives in a 3000
              7 Apr 1992 15:07:01 EDT from <tix!roman@UUNET.UU.N ET>

On Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:07:01 EDT Daniel Roman said:
>I'm about to buy the Quantum LPS240S which is a 3-1/2" half-height
>drive.  I currently have a 50MB low profile.  Anybody know if this two
>will fit inside the 3000 piggy-backed on top of each other.  It looks
>like two low profile drives would but a low profile and half-height
>might be tight.  Anybody do this?
>--
>______________________________________________________________________
>Dan Roman           |     ///          Internet:  roman_d@timeplex.com
>Timeplex Inc.       | \\\///              GEnie:  D.ROMAN1
>Woodcliff Lake, NJ  |  \XX/ Only AMIGA!      Homebrew is better brew.
>======================================================================

I mounted my ST1096N in the normal DF0: bay and slided the df0: to the bay on t
he right.  Works fine.
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