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From: Adrian.Baddeley@cwi.nl
Subject: Open System
X-Gateway: dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU
Organization: CSIRO Div. Maths & Stats, CSIRO Div. Applied Physics
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:47:05 GMT


Bill Cleveland writes

> ... S has an extraordinary level of openness though
> the marvelous design given us by Becker, Chambers, and Wilks.
> It allows for rapid extension through the function mechanism.
	...
> They have consistently held that the system cannot satisfy all
> through its official base of functions. To try and do so creates
> monuments to clumsiness, a creeping featurism that results in overloaded
> functions that defy comprehension and turn into black boxes.

	Agreed - inserting more functionality is not
	the way to increase the user's freedom of choice
	about matters like output.

	But the problem raised by Rolf Turner and Brian Ripley
	is a real one, that seems to me to indicate that the current
	abstraction/model for graphics output is not satisfactory.
	Users want the freedom to edit the graphical output
	of pairs() etc. 

	Graphical objects need to be relatively easy to change,
	e.g. blanking out the upper triangle of a rectangular array
	of plots should be a simple operation.

	For example there are user interface models
	(like `Views') in which every object in the system is regarded as
	an editable document with a set of its own display rules (also editable).
	In such systems a package like S would generate graphics
	simply by passing a `graphics document', with appropriate display
	grammar, to the user interface. You could blank out some of
	the plot, either `automatically' by getting S to change the display grammar,
	or interactively by editing the display grammar of the
	actual plotted object.

	Cheers




Adrian Baddeley					:    adrianb@cwi.nl
Centre for Mathematics & Computer Science 	: tel +31 20 592 4050
Kruislaan 413, 1098 SJ Amsterdam, Netherlands.	: fax +31 20 592 4199

	
	


	
	
	
	
Newsgroups: aus.stats.s
From: bates@stat.wisc.edu (Douglas M. Bates)
Subject: Linear mixed effects for S
X-Gateway: dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU
Organization: CSIRO Div. Maths & Stats, CSIRO Div. Applied Physics
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:17:09 GMT

An S implementation of the methods described in 
 Lindstrom, M.J.  and Bates, D.M. (1988) "Newton-Raphson and EM
 Algorithms for Linear Mixed Effects Models for Repeated-Measures
 Data", J. of the Amer.  Statist. Assoc., 83, No. 404, p. 1014-1022.
is now available from statlib (send a message with the phrase "send
lmix from S" in the subject or body to statlib@lib.stat.cmu.edu)

The S functions are based on the MIXMOD Fortran code written by Mary
Lindstrom. S methods and code by Jose Pinheiro, Douglas Bates, and
Mary Lindstrom.



Newsgroups: aus.stats.s
From: Jack Turnock <jturnock@afsc.noaa.gov>
Subject: command line editor for DOS
X-Gateway: dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU
Organization: CSIRO Div. Maths & Stats, CSIRO Div. Applied Physics
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:51:49 GMT

I don't know of any command line editor for SPLUS for DOS, however, the
history function I recently submitted to Statlib (doshist)  will allow you to
edit a
previous command and execute the edited version. I also use a utility
program that I got from a PCMAGAZINE bulletin board that allows you to
cut and paste anything on the screen to the cursor line.  I modified the
program slightly to leave the cursor at the end of the line so other
things can be added.  It doesnt work under all circumstances.  The only
way I have got it to work is by running the dosshell and starting SPLUS
from the dosshell.  If anyone is interested in the program send me e-mail.

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Newsgroups: aus.stats.s
From: robin@mcc2.sws.uiuc.edu (Robin Shealy)
Subject: boxplot
X-Gateway: dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU
Organization: CSIRO Div. Maths & Stats, CSIRO Div. Applied Physics
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:56:16 GMT

I've been following the commentary on the boxplot function options, and
find it illuminating: I believe the problem of 'SASification' may be
handled at the documentation level. If the number of elements in a
list is excessive (such as number of options), it is more cognitively
difficult to sort out which one(s) you want to use. Perhaps a change
in the documentation on 'arguments' is in order, with a more refined
structure than 'required arguments' and 'optional arguments'. In the
case of 'boxplot', perhaps the optional argument documentation could
be grouped by function (those options that pertain to outliers, those
that pertain to the box, those for the whiskers, etc.). In the 'usage'
section, perhaps two usages, a 'Spartan' version (required arguments
only), and an 'Epicurean' version (all arguments) of the function call 
should be supplied. This scheme is not uniform across S+ functions,
but if clarity will solve the problem, this sounds good to me.

Robin Shealy
robin@mcc2.sws.uiuc.edu
Illinois State Water Survey
2204 Griffith Drive
Champaign, Il 
Newsgroups: aus.stats.s
From: stvjc@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Vincent Carey 2-3265)
Subject: "beta test" offer of a regression procedure
X-Gateway: dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU
Organization: CSIRO Div. Maths & Stats, CSIRO Div. Applied Physics
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:38:34 GMT

the current issue of biometrics describes a procedure,
"regression with damped exponential correlation".  the
main author is A Mu\~noz; i have a set of C++ programs
and S interface functions that implement this procedure.
i would like to have a few test installations before
submitting to statlib; interested users with C++ compilers
and S are invited to send me their address, and i will
ship test versions to the first half-dozen or so respondents.

for those without access to biometrics, the model is
as follows.  data are clustered; the correlation
between two observations in a cluster is given by
g^(s^t), where g is a correlation parameter, s is
the "distance" between cluster elements, and t is
a "damping parameter".  if t is zero, a "compound
symmetry" model ensues; if t is 1 and s is the length
of time elapsed between two observations in a cluster,
a marginal AR(1) model ensues. g,t, and regression
parameters are estimated by maximum likelihood.

a C++ compiler is required for installation from source;
SPARC users wishing binaries should contact me privately:
stvjc@gauss.med.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: aus.stats.s
From: <brooks@slcs.slb.com>
Subject: Commercial communication via s-news 
X-Gateway: dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU
Organization: CSIRO Div. Maths & Stats, CSIRO Div. Applied Physics
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:32:40 GMT

I, too, am somewhat mystified by Alan Johnson's reaction. All versions
of S are commercial products, whether they were obtained directly from
AT & T or through one of the companies that AT & T has licensed to do
S enhancement and support.  No version of S is public domain software.
(The same thing is true of SAS.)

Essentially, s-news is a communication medium for S customers and
vendors.  I am unable to make a distinction between information shared
among customers to make better use of S and information from vendors
either about how to use S or about new versions of S and other
software.  To the extent that this information results in wider use of
S, it will ultimately result in increased revenue for the vendors.
Hopefully, this revenue increase will have been well earned!

As long as their messages are not so frequent as to clog my mail box,
I have no objection to any of the S vendors - AT & T, Stat. Sci, or
others - notifying me about products which I might find useful in
accomplishing my work.

Ruven Brooks

Newsgroups: aus.stats.s
From: Andreas Futschik <A4422GAH@helios.edvz.univie.ac.at>
Subject:      Re: Freeing up memory
X-Gateway: dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU
Organization: CSIRO Div. Maths & Stats, CSIRO Div. Applied Physics
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:54:23 GMT


R. Rayner complains about the (very bad) garbage collection of S-PLUS.
I agree completely.

I am using S-PLUS 2.0 on a 486 PC under DOS. Though I prefer the system
to other statisticals programming packages I must say that the
lack of garbage collection is VERY annoying when doing (even small)
simulations. Being forced to split up the runs into small chunks is not
very appealing.

Another thing that I miss is a command line editor. (I know that this
exists for UNIX S-Plus 3.0)

So my question is: Are there plans to solve the above problems in
                   upcoming versions?

              Thanks
                      Andreas

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+ a4422gah@vm.univie.ac.at                                           +
+ (earn/bitnet: a4422gah at awiuni11)                                +
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Newsgroups: aus.stats.s
From: Matt Wilson <mwilson@afsc.noaa.gov>
Subject: hexadecimal codes for special characters
X-Gateway: dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU
Organization: CSIRO Div. Maths & Stats, CSIRO Div. Applied Physics
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:25:36 GMT

I would like to use special characters in plots by specifying a hexadecimal code
that corresponds to a particular character.  Specifically, I have created a plot
with latitude on longitude where the tick labels are degrees and minutes, for 
instance; 56 25' N.  I want to put a degree symbol immediately following the 
degree value (after the 6 in the above example).  What hexadecimal code should I
use and does anyone know where I can get (or how to create) a hexadecimal 
code-character table that applies to my situation which is Splus v. 3.0 on a 
SPARC 2 accessed via LAN from a 486/33 DOS PC using PC-NFS and HCL eXceed/W.


Newsgroups: aus.stats.s
From: rosine@whittaker.rice.edu (Rosine W. Hall)
Subject: re:boxplots
X-Gateway: dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU
Organization: CSIRO Div. Maths & Stats, CSIRO Div. Applied Physics
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:27:58 GMT

I like the confidence intervals, but experimentation with the widths has convinced me that it adds too much complexity to the plot.  I sympathize with the desire for fewer options.  I'd also like more detail about the "approximate 5% confidence interval" and how it's calculated.  Just to let you know, using the confidence intervals seems to agree well with the use of a median test, but if you are making multiple comparisons, all the usual caveats probably apply.

Rosine W. Hall
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Subject: Re: TUTORS!!!!!!
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:47:12 GMT

heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (George Heard (Laurie 8)) writes:
 >Not very good, but shows some promise.

You post this worthless, dreary spelling flame, and then have the hide to
deliver some kind of pathetic "verdict".  What bravado!

M. Deitch may not quite know what the fuck he's doing yet, but his
heart is somewhere close to what I consider to be "the right place".
That's more than I can say for Laurie 8, the Canbores, the trans-Tasman
dags, and the other wastes of time, for whom "the right place" is
sitting in front of their computer screen -- TV guide in one hand,
their dick in the other.

You can deliver your fucking "verdict" when you've worked out how
to interact with something other your DORK III adventure game.
But until then, I'm sure your awesome talents as a critic will be
appreciated by 3D-World, On The Street, Up The Vein, and other such
proponents of the Sample it-Loop it-Fuck it-Eat it lifestyle.


--
 Iain Sinclair    axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: ta@labserver.canberra.edu.au (The Avatar)
Subject: Re: A war on the USA and/or NZ
Organization: University of the Clouds
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 08:20:18 GMT

u867278@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Dov Berns) writes:

>As for english skills perhaps you should try using them as all your 
>skills appear ugly and definately ugly

Tell me dov head didn't you mean: "English skills" and "definitely", eh eh?]
Now whether it's english or English I am uncertain of what skills you mean.
Are you talking about stiff-upper lip skills, or Twinings tea skills; heaven 
forbid you don't mean language skills do you? NOT. Certainly you have no 
skill in your skull - I'll drink to that and down the hatch.

>>Singo - "Untied !"
>
>Dov Berns - "THE RAMPANT BEAR"

Dov head trying to UP stage Singo's signature tune, NOT.


mutatis mutandis mutato nomine nonsum qualis eram note bene
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: mddeitch@socs.uts.edu.au (Mark Deitch)
Subject: Re: TUTORS!!!!!!
Reply-To: mddeitch@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:38:57 GMT

osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Reverend Osborn) preaches::
 > However, his position of privilege is a legacy of his
 >status as a relatively new human on this planet, with all the exuberance
 >and folly of youth - not to ignore his relative inexperience in the academic
 >arena. So, whilst his assumption may be heeded, it is none-the-less wrong.
    Who can argue against the word of god?  

	mddeitch.
Xref: sparky aus.flame:3763 alt.best.of.internet:99 alt.flame:13655 alt.fan.dan-quayle:5538
From: bahn@main.mndly.umn.edu (Christopher Bahn)
Newsgroups: aus.flame,alt.best.of.internet,alt.flame,alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: Shit for NZ-ers brainz
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:02:43 GMT
Organization: the Minnesota Daily (U of MN Student Newspaper)

In article <1992Oct14.155952.12321@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov (Doug Walker) writes:

>In article <1992Oct14.135437.23785@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, pat@sphinx.phys.Virginia.EDU (pat walsh) writes:
>|> fraser@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fraser Wilson) writes:
>|> 
>|> >sykopath@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mickey) writes:
>|> 
>|> >>>The spelling is incorrect, but you are schitzophrenic....
>|> 
>|> >>So is yours, Rod.  He is schizophrenic.
>|> 
>|> >Is that someone who's missing a humour gland and a wit detector?
>|> >You're a fucking meathead, Mickey.
>|> 
>|> >Fraser.
>|> 
>|> Never pictured myself as a net.policeman before, but...
>|> 
>|> What the HELL is this crap doing in alt.fan.dan-quayle?
>|> 
>|> - Patrick Walsh
>|>   University of Virginia Department of Physics
>|>   pw@virginia.bitnet, pw@virginia.edu, pat@gomez.phys.virginia.edu

>Better yet what is this doing in alt.best.of.internet.

I completely agree. Take this to alt.flame where it belongs. If I want to 
read a flame war I'll go there.
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn)
Subject: Alter Ego (was Hypnotically trapped by aus.flame...)
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date:  8 Oct 92 05:21:26 GMT


If we do create another kind of life, I consider us morally bound to
make the attempt to determine if it is conscious in some way like us.
(We have to determine whether we recognise them as having rights).
I further consider us morally bound to apply criteria that we ourselves
could pass, without appealing to irrelevant features like appearance.

We might also consider the extent of parasitism: it is parasitic on us,
or is it we who are the parasites? 
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn)
Subject: Re: Alter Ego (was Hypnotically trapped by aus.flame...)
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date:  9 Oct 92 00:18:59 GMT

ta@labserver.canberra.edu.au (The Avatar) writes:

>The simple answer here requires no deep philosophical insight, but merely a 
>trip to the maze of twisty passages of the Avatars neuron network, to know 
>that parachutists land on parasites!

You have far reaching perceptions...
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis)
Subject: Re: Osborn's Kill file - is this about right?
Keywords: nerds and turds
Reply-To: brent@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:10:13 GMT

axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair) writes:

 > BORIS FERKEL BELIEVES THE OLD INTELLIGENTSIA DIVISIONS BETWEEN SYDNEY
 > AND MELBOURNE HAVE BEEN SURPASSED BY THE SPREAD OF POSTMODERNISM

Yes! Trust Boris to put in to words what we have all been thinking.

                             Brent

---------------------------------------------------
"I'm an urban guerrilla,      |   Brent Curtis         
 I make bombs in my cellar,   |   School of CompSci
 I'm a derelict-dweller,      |   UTS
 I'm a potential killer."     |   New South Wales      
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: u867278@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Dov Berns)
Subject: Re: A war on the USA and/or NZ
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 07:11:03 GMT

Singular@csc.canberra.edu.au (Singularity) writes:


>If it wasnt for the lack of worthy opponents it might be fun,
>how can I convince my kids not to become mindless fools when
>such a fine example emanates from Uncle Sam. Movies and TV
>full of self-important dribble , what a feeble ego that land
>has. NZ is not much better, at least thet dont try and convert
>you but one does get tired of have to explain everything twice.

>The trouble with foreign posters is that their grasp of the
>culture is superficial or non-existent, not to mention a 

Culture I never knew the Australians had a culture that was more than
superficial if indeed it does exist.

>generally poor vocabularly. I despise having to couch a post in
>simple, sometimes ugly , english. What can we do but ignore
>these usurpers, 'killfiles' for those who can, lets do it together.
>Respond no more to their feebleness...

As for english skills perhaps you should try using them as all your 
skills appear ugly and definately ugly


>Singo - "Untied !"

Dov Berns - "THE RAMPANT BEAR"

Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: Singular@csc.canberra.edu.au (Singularity)
Subject: Re: Hypnotically trapped by aus.flame...
Organization: Discontinuous
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 04:11:34 GMT

In article <osborn.718593612@dragon> osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn) writes:

>Are you suggesting you have a set of conditions for deciding a Turing Test?

No , I mean based on Turings own ideas in a less formal way.

(Dont expect me to find the biography, now)

>Or is this, like most comments on the Internet, hearsay?

Perish the thought !

Singo - "I dont make promises I cant talk my way out of"

Newsgroups: aus.flame,alt.best.of.internet,alt.flame,alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: straffin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Ethan Douglas Straffin)
Subject: Re: Shit for NZ'ers brainz
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 08:15:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.151648.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
>In article <8TiBsB4w165w@amigans.gen.nz>, zoltar@amigans.gen.nz (Grant Thoms) writes:
>> I am living a life right now! I don't think living two lives would be 
>> much good, as then I'd be a shiczoprheenic! (sp?)
>
>The spelling is incorrect, but you are schitzophrenic....
>Rod

Hint hint: before posting a spelling flame, either check your _own_
dictionary or reach for that asbestos suit.

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>|        +  +  +     +  +  +  +  +                  Drive without a saddle."|
>|    *   *   *       *   *   *   *   *                                      |
>|R    o    d         S    w    i    f    t        -- Kryten from "Red Dwarf"|
>+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>|Internet: RSwiftRW@cc.curtin.edu.au               School of Social Sciences|
>|PSImail : psi%050529452300070::RSwiftRW                   Curtin University|
>|Bitnet  : RSwiftRW%cc.curtin.edu.au@cunyvm.bitnet             GPO Box U1987|
>|UUCP    : uunet!munnari.oz!cc.curtin.edu.au!RSwiftRW        Perth  WA  6000|

Especially if you have a nine-line .sig.

*FLAME OFF*

Ethan


Newsgroups: aus.flame,alt.flame
From: sykopath@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mickey)
Subject: Re: Shit for NZ'ers brainz
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 04:47:05 GMT

In article <9228810.20057@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> fraser@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fraser Wilson) writes:
>sykopath@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mickey) writes:
>
>>>The spelling is incorrect, but you are schitzophrenic....
>
>>So is yours, Rod.  He is schizophrenic.
>
>Is that someone who's missing a humour gland and a wit detector?

No, Phaser, you're someone who is missing a clue.  Rod is a dick (like
yourself, my friend), and couldn't make a joke if it came up to him 
naked and screamed "FUCK ME!!!" in his ear.  He just can't spell
worth a damn.

I would gamble the amount your mother charged (shit, *anyone* can afford
to lose that pissant amount of money) that Rod had no idea he had
misspelled "schizophrenic" until that other guy flamed him for the
spelling error (then again, knowing how long it takes Rod to get a
clue (almost as long as it takes you), he probably didn't know he'd
misspelled it until he saw my flame too).

>You're a fucking meathead, Mickey.

Listen, Phaser, you don't know me, and you don't know anything about me, 
and you're making a fool of yourself by defending one of the biggest
assholes currently on the net (and doing such a bad job of it, too...sheesh).

Your father (one of those drunks that your mother called "customers", until
they found out about the gonorrhea) dribbled the best part of you out on the
bathroom floor, you degraded fornicator with virginal goats.  Your mother
(you know, the one who used to give you the ice cream if you'd lick her
suppurating cunt) once told me that the only person worse than you in
bed was your brother, and that only because he'd been dead for three weeks
(she *told* you not to stick it so far down his throat, but did *you* listen?
No!  You're Phaser, and you don't listen to *anyone*.)

And your poor dog...
...but we won't get into that here...
...there might be some decent people reading this, and I don't want to 
put them through it.

But oh, that poor dog.  Did you *have* to use the whip, too?

>Fraser.

Listen, Phaser, do the world a favor and return to whence you came?
(oh, wait, they've buried the lid to the septic tank again...I guess
you'll just have to stick your head down the toilet and flush yourself
away...:)

We don't want to hear you, we don't want to hear your stupid, vulgar
insults, and most of all we don't want to see you filling up otherwise
perfectly good newsgroups with this sort of tripe.  Keep it on alt.flame
where it belongs.

*kisses*,

Mickey "holy shit, what an asshole" Phoenix.

P.S. Please email me any responses to this post, as I don't read alt.flame,
and I don't want to clutter up alt.best.of.internet anymore with this.
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn)
Subject: Re: Alter Ego (was Hypnotically trapped by aus.flame...)
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:48:54 GMT

Singular@csc.canberra.edu.au (Singularity) writes:

>In article <osborn.718589939@dragon> osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn) writes:

>>ta@labserver.canberra.edu.au (The Avatar) writes:

>>>The simple answer here requires no deep philosophical insight, but merely a 
>>>trip to the maze of twisty passages of the Avatars neuron network, to know 
>>>that parachutists land on parasites!

>>You have far reaching perceptions...

>Nah ! , raving loony.

You have far reaching perceptions...
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn)
Subject: Re: Osborn's Kill file - is this about right?
Keywords: nerds and turds
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:19:09 GMT

axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair) writes:

> Iain Sinclair    axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au

> BORIS FERKEL BELIEVES THE OLD INTELLIGENTSIA DIVISIONS BETWEEN SYDNEY
> AND MELBOURNE HAVE BEEN SURPASSED BY THE SPREAD OF POSTMODERNISM

I see Iain still posts here...
Newsgroups: aus.flame