HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bermes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Terry Bermes)
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Organization: AT&T Looney Bin
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:48:35 GMT

From article <1993Jan20.233552.24410@midway.uchicago.edu>, by dave@alex.uchicago.edu (Dave Griffith):
> 
> his first full day in office, let's see if he has something then.  It's 
> not as though anyone will die if he breaks his promises.  Unless they're
> Haitian, of course.


	Actually many Haitians were likely to die if he immediately kept
his promise.  Rickety make-shift boats plying the ocean and all of that.
This was the point of holding off.  Seems reasonable to me.

terry
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: God is intolerant of sin!
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:53:05 GMT

markc@eomer.hw.stratus.com (Mark Christensen) writes:

>I guess
>Robert and Melinda, who appear to be stone throwing themselves, feel it's
>acceptable to throw those stones at people or groups of people that THEY
>feel should be excluded.  I detect some hypocracy (and definately
>some hostility) here.  

Oh, please. Robert was referring to the Biblical practice of killing a
"moral criminal"--such as a homosexual, as you would have it--by heaving
rocks at that person until they're beaten and crushed to death. In that
context, I'd hardly call Robert's and Melinda's critical words "stones."

>You two appear guilty of the very acts that you
>are railing against.

What, wanting to deny civil rights to gays?? I think *not*. Better re-read
their posts.

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: matjmm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (J. Morgan Morris)
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:11:19 GMT

an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) writes:


>In a previous article, ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard A. Mulac) says:

>>
>>In a previous article, lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (Dr. Norman J. LaFave) says:
>>
>>>Let me let you in on a little secret.... all politicians make lots
>>>of outrageous promises during a campaign. If you voted based
>>>on the promises of your candidate you are being naive. We, the
>>>electorate, are to blame for this phenomenon. Politicians have
>>>found, for instance, that making promises of tax cuts are


>     YES!  It's time to finish the Doc off.

>     Doc.  What do you think our financial system  is founded on?
>        ( think carefully, here.  you're allowed to use other 
>          sources.  And remember.  *I* am armed with the 

>                Rod of Reality!  )

>    Man, I'm sure glad I was flying on 727s all those years.


Will someone please explain this guy (Broward Horne) to me?  I'm afraid
that I  don't understand any of his posts. They seem to be chockfull
of non sequitors and bizarre comments. Anyone care to interpret?

Later,
Morgan




-- 

John Morgan Morris
Department of Mathematics and Computer Science
Georgia State University
University Plaza
Atlanta, GA. 30303-3083

Internet: matjmm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu
Telephone: (404) 651-2253
FAX: (404) 651-2246
From: ghee@vision.larc.nasa.gov (Terry A. Ghee)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Read this if you are straight!
Date: 26 Jan 1993 23:36:10 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: vision.larc.nasa.gov

Greg Brandt writes:
>Is it possible that you are truly so ignorant of the nature of
>antidiscrimination law?  To do as you say, you must =prove= that your boss
>has fired you =because= you were gay.  If you are going to be scared of
>something, at least find something with a basis in reality.


The biggest problem with anti-discrimination laws are that they are not easily
enforced.  Consider that for someone to be convicted that person must have
been blatant in his discrimination.  How would subtle discrimination be
prosecuted?  These laws are nice in theory, but very hard to enforce in reality.
It is, and will always be, difficult to know what is in someone's heart.  I
would say this is another point against hate crime laws.  Prosecute people on their actions,
but I fear that prosecuting for actions _and_ their thoughts isn't realistic.  It
would be nice if bigotry were like skin color so that we could spot it  from a 
distance (and, no I'm not saying being a different skin color is neagative in anyway).

T.A. Ghee
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: WELLLLL! IT'S DAY ONE. WHERE'S THE PLAN???
X-Xxdate: Mon, 25 Jan 93 08:44:30 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d15
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:48:28 GMT

In article <visser.727642809@convex.convex.com> Lance Visser,
visser@convex.com writes:
> 	And perhaps you can tell us the last time a candidate went
> around promising a "plan" the day after inaguration.  Clinton made
> all sorts of promises that he had no intention of delivering.  And
> now, after the election there is no shortage of people willing to 
> excuse him anything.

Let me let you in on a little secret.... all politicians make lots
of outrageous promises during a campaign. If you voted based
on the promises of your candidate you are being naive. We, the
electorate, are to blame for this phenomenon. Politicians have
found, for instance, that making promises of tax cuts are
mandatory to their chances of being elected. Therefore, they
make such promises knowing full well that the dynamics of the
economy may make such promises impossible to keep. The same
could be said for the promise to present the plan to the hill the
day after inauguration. Given the dynamics of the economy and the
effort required to erect an administration, it is unreasonable to
believe he could have presented it, in full detail, on day one.
However, the promise was good campaign fodder.

Fact: Clinton made impossible promises, as did Bush, as did Perot....

At this point some of you may ask, "So, how can you decide who to
vote for if they are all telling us what we want to hear?". The answer
is to examine the one piece of information
which displays the real competancy and heart of the candidate---
their public record. Voting records, bill signings, program
implementations
and results, experience, are all public record.
These cannot be fudged. Clinton's
record as governor is excellent, Bush's record as president is not.

These arguements about "promises" are either mere partisan fru-fru,
or show a complete lack of understanding of the realities of politics.

Norman

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Senior Engineer
Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company




When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
                               Hunter Thompson
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: AMERICA, Prepare to FLAME ON!!!!
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:44:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA/JSC

In article <9301270208.AA10365@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com> blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu
(Broward L. Horne) writes:
>
[alot of rambling deleted]

Geez, have you nothing better to do?
>      
>      
>4 
>



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John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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From: root@bing.atl.ga.us (Administrator)
Subject: Re: On Forbidden Lusts
Organization: Bing's Rubber Chicken Factory -- "Our clucks are boneless."
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 06:53:15 GMT

an6579@anon.penet.fi (Michael Servetus) writes:
> "On Forbidden Lusts"
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Nature prevails! They cannot change!"
> So claim the advocates of strange
> Deviants, queers with untam'd haste,
> Monstrosities of perverse taste.
> The passion in their fetid veins
> Knows not Reason nor its reins,
> Pursues freedom, looser, faster,
> And all desires, without master.
> 
> But Nature's Wisdom not deceiv'd
> A balance seeks, and soon retriev'd.
> Through lessons shows us Her Design,
> Her Laws, for us, that realign.
> Her Judgments firm, they tempt pi-ty.
> Yet look not from adversity!
> Yon' microbe spread, infect'd bowel,
> The ruptur'd gland, and blood-stain'd towel.
> 
> For Nature guides us, us, Her maids.
> Her latest Truth, reveal'd, is AIDS.
> And we, the Wise, we know Her trade:
> "To be commanded, first obeyed."
> 

			A VIRUS IS A MINDLESS THING

			almost as mindless as oh you stupid
			uncaring self appointed judges of
			the world.

			your narrow mindedness offends me deeply
			to have to ackowledge that you and i
			are the two sides of the same species.

			ask oh you fool how perverse it is to be a child
			who needs transfusions because of a defect in his
			blood.
			you might as well claim that the atom bomb
			is a very good way to clear a couple city blocks
			of all living vermin.

			in truth i see something perverse here.
			to attribute a mindless virus with such
			devine powers
			to have such an ice cold stare
			as to see other people's sufferings
			as some sort of an act of universal justice
			to see nothing but retribution in the eyes
			of the dying
			if this is all that you have to offer
			i say you are the most perverse thing
			i could ever imagine.

			you piss me off.

			1/25/93
			Bing H Bang
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From: ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: Where did "womyn" come from?
Date: 23 Jan 93 03:42:46 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <C0yEFu.H02@mach1.wlu.ca> brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca (breadner ken u) writes:
>It disturbs me that women must see themselves as being different from men.
>Or, for that matter, that men are different from women. Of course we are
>different, but dwelling on this fact is what provokes gender war. 

If you know that "of course we are different" why does it disturb you?

>Being as we all want to see females and males equal,
>wouldn't the idea of similarities make more sense to expound upon?

Not everyone wants to see females equal to males. Thus, reactions
like "womyn".

>It's already starting to spread, you see. I came across the nauseating
>term "herstory" the other day. Presumably, this is to avoid the h-i-s of
>"history". As a male, this angers me. Not because it excludes me and
>implies I am inferior (it does both), but because it is ignorant.

Maybe this is the point women wish to make. One cannot argue that throughout
history, and doubtless before, women have been made to feel excluded, inferior
and ignorant. How do you like these feelings? They are nothing less than
what women have felt for millenia -- and more to our interests -- what they
feel today. I'm delighted that you feel these! What better teaching tool?

>The term "history" comes almost directly from the Greek "histor", meaning
>"tale". Nowhere in the Greek etymology does it suggest masculinity. "His",
>totally unrelated, came up through the Old English.
>When speaking or reading the term "history", I never once thought it was
>gender-exclusive, any more than I think the term "hertz" is
>gender-exclusive. It frightens me that people are starting to jump at
>shadows. Where does it end? 

Well, I love the English language, and I'm not in favor of "womyn" or 
"herstory". Though I'm quite liberal I still use "he" and "his" when
addressing nonpresent third-party entities, unless I'm speaking specifically
of a female. That's a bad sentence, here's an example: I am not interested
in he who spouts racists remarks.

Dan
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct,talk.abortion,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
Subject: Re: Give me a break--P.C. misuse!!!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: None worth mentioning.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 23:48:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.021623.7770@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <93020.31062.J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>>Secondly, you completely misunderstand my point.  We're talking about two
>>different pro-choice mentalities here, as follows:
>>
>>      Mentality (a):  Abortion should be kept safe and legal, and we should
>>                      make contraceptives available to minimize the number of
>>                      abortions and unwanted children.
>>
>>      Mentality (b):  Abortion is always the preferred alternative, since it
>>                      symbolizes the unilateral power of a woman's decision.
>>
>>I agree with (a), but not with (b).  Very few people agree with (b).  It is
>>those people who agree with (b) who fall into the "feminazi" category according
>>to Limbaugh.  Limbaugh says that "only about 25 or 30" people agree with (b).
>
>Really?  Name one.  Be sure to quote them in a situation where they
>actually put forward proposition (b).
>
Right here in talk.abortion, we have Gordon Storga and Michael Loomis,
who both are in favor of abortion as the first option for all
pregnancies (appologies to either if I'm confused). Neither is crazy,
so they don't advocate making it the *law* but they are both n favor
of routine abortions.t(

>>I think it's a bit more than that, but it's still a very small minority of
>>pro-choice opinion.
>
>Then why does Rush make such a big deal out of attacking these people?
>Why not spend more time on the growing threat of Charles Manson, which
>is about as relevant?
Because Rush Limburger makes a living by misleading the dittoheads.

--
                  Mark Cochran          merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
These are the views of my employer, your employer, your government, the
Church of your choice, and the Ghost of Elvis. So there.
Member, T.S.A.K.C.
From: rwn@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard W. Nelson Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: SLICK TIMES
Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:43:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


     A new publication out of California called the "SLICK TIMES"
will satirize and otherwise have great fun with Bill Clinton,
Hillary and their administration. It is in a 12 pg. format, and
comes out 4 times a year. For more information or to subscribe,
call 1-800-93-SLICK.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
From: gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith)
Subject:  On Required Lusts
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 07:26:06 GMT


I was going to be the first on my block to post a poem in response,
but my news poster did not like all the cross-posted groups, it seems.
Here's hoping it works this time, I'm tired of posting this over and
over.

In article <1993Jan25.032657.5414@fuug.fi> an6579@anon.penet.fi (Michael Servetus) writes:

>X-Anon-To:
>alt.politics,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.feminism,alt.sex,alt.sex.stories,alt.activism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,rec.arts.poems

What about alt.anon.cowards?

>A recent venture into the realm of verse, inspired by recent
>conversations with my dear friend Thomas Robert Malthus.
>Dedicated to ELS, Jr.: pal, poet, Overman.

A venture in the realm of verse, inspired by the Rev. Malthus.

		On Required Lusts
		~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

		In elder times there was a land
		With peaceful love on evr'y hand
		Until puffed up with deadly hate
		The Underman began to prate:
		"Nature prevails! And therefor ye
		No beauty in gay love must see!"
		And hearing him, there came a day
		When all gay love they drove away.

		The elder gods took note of this
		And saw them turning thus from bliss
		And sorrowful they loosed the chain
		Which held back population gain.
		The land the people cannot till
		And all of them are dead or or ill
		But thank the gods that they are straight
		And eat the penalty of hate.

		So they with evil chose to side
		And Nature claim to be their guide
		But Nature whom they thought would save
		Unheeding laid them in their grave.

>No apologies.

Nor taste, nor morals.



-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.sex
From: thumim@nevada.edu (Scrooge McDuck)
Subject: Re: Give me a break--P.C. misuse!
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:42:58 GMT

In article <C16893.7MM@ecf.toronto.edu> pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN) writes:

I wrote:
>>Not necessarily.  Yes, every noun does have a gender but when speaking
>>and writing, if you don't know specifically what it is, you can use
>>the term "on."  Example:  "On y va!"  trans.:  "Let's go!"
>>
>  Not really.  "On" doesn't translate into English, but it's never used as
>a substitute for second-person pronouns.  

Of course it isn't used as a substitute for second person pronouns.
It is used for third person singular.  The example I stated is an
idiomatic expression.

>It's use is alternately closest
>to "one" (e.g. "one must realize that...") or "we"/"us," neither of which
>specifies any gender in English.  (In your example, it specifies "us" --
>you wouldn't be able to tell sex from the English wording either.)  If you
>were to refer to an individual whose sex were unknown, you couldn't use
>"on," and most French speakers would use "il."

Yes, you could use the third person masculine of "il" if the gender
were unknown of the subject.  But there are many cases where "on" is
more appropriate than "il."

Felicitations!
Scrooge.


Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.feminism
From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (Michael D. Adams)
Subject: Re: Ban a.f.rush-limbaghm Crossposts
X-Still-Continued: Idaho
X-Job-Hunt-Header: Unemployed actuary will work for food
X-Politically-Correct-Statement: Bigotry is not a family value -- boycott
X-Random-Header: Ignore this line
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
X-Pcs-Continued: Colorado, think twice about Oregon, watch out for Ohio and
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:24:40 GMT

I was wondering when this type of article would appear....

quilty@titan.ucs.umass.edu (Lulu of the lotus-eaters) writes:

>The three groups mentioned in my header seemed to get a huge number of
>almost automatic crossposts to alt.fan.rush-limbaghm.  This brings in
>a very BAD element to our "left" groups.  It should be pretty clear
>that anyone who's a "fan" of a neo-nazi like RL, is probably not on
>the "left"...

Now, now, let's not upset the dittoheads too much.  It is true that
RL is very conservative, but NeoNazi?  That's a bit much.

One thing you have to admit is that these discussions wouldn't have
been as interesting and, um, lively (yeah, that's the word...) if
they hadn't been exposed to the wide variety of viewpoints they have
been.

Am I the only one who finds discussions in largely homogenous newsgroups
on current issues to be, well, relatively boring?

>So please, for the sake of quality, TAKE THE a.f.r-l LINE OUT OF
>EVERYTHING YOU POST TO THESE BOARDS.  Then maybe we can get on with an
>intelligent discussion of feminism, homosexual-politics, or politics
>in general.

I don't know that such action should be taken solely "for the sake of
quality"  -- many of the dittoheads' posts have been relatively well-
written.

However, I agree that some of the discussions have strayed beyond the scope
of some of the newsgroups involved.

BTW, does this mean that I'm not the only person who's observed the
a.f.r-l crossposts slowly spreading throughout the net?  For example,
uiuc.politics, which used to be such a nice little group with a variety
of views is now seeing most of its articles crossposted to a.f.r-l.  :-/

--
Michael D. Adams	      | Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not
StarOwl@uiuc.edu	      | for themselves.  -- Abraham Lincoln
an692@anon.penet.fi	      | We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting
NBCS: B1f+t-w+g+k++s+me+h-qv  | it at home.  -- Edward R. Murrow
From: an6579@anon.penet.fi (Michael Servetus)
Subject: On Forbidden Lusts
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.politics,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.feminism,alt.sex,alt.sex.stories,alt.activism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,rec.arts.poems
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:18:05 GMT

X-Anon-To: alt.politics,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.feminism,alt.sex,alt.sex.stories,alt.activism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,rec.arts.poems

A recent venture into the realm of verse, inspired by recent
conversations with my dear friend Thomas Robert Malthus.
Dedicated to ELS, Jr.: pal, poet, Overman.

No apologies.

"On Forbidden Lusts"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Nature prevails! They cannot change!"
So claim the advocates of strange
Deviants, queers with untam'd haste,
Monstrosities of perverse taste.
The passion in their fetid veins
Knows not Reason nor its reins,
Pursues freedom, looser, faster,
And all desires, without master.

But Nature's Wisdom not deceiv'd
A balance seeks, and soon retriev'd.
Through lessons shows us Her Design,
Her Laws, for us, that realign.
Her Judgments firm, they tempt pi-ty.
Yet look not from adversity!
Yon' microbe spread, infect'd bowel,
The ruptur'd gland, and blood-stain'd towel.

For Nature guides us, us, Her maids.
Her latest Truth, reveal'd, is AIDS.
And we, the Wise, we know Her trade:
"To be commanded, first obeyed."

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From: jpsb@NeoSoft.com (Jim Shirreffs)
Subject: Re: Give me a break--P.C. misuse!
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:57:10 GMT

>I stand corrected.  I should not have brought any other languages into the 
>I discussion. I believe the American English language should become more gender 
>I neutral.

Why Mike, what exactly is wrong with "his her, male female, woman man" I mean 
what is the problem?

jim shirreffs
Newsgroups: alt.politics,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.feminism,alt.sex,alt.sex.stories,alt.activism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,rec.arts.poems
From: dips@aurora (Deeptendu Majumder)
Subject: Re: On Forbidden Lusts
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:21:12 GMT
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heh heh..

AID is not nature's way of checking perversion...
If you tell me
It is nature's way of solving the problem of  an over crowded planet..
I am willing to listen..
fights..revolutions..bombs..famine..more to come I am sure..
almost like a self stabilizing system..

just my opinion
;^)
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