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From: randall-joshua@yale.edu (Joshua E. Randall)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9:  "Babel" - Comments      **SPOILERS**
Date: 25 Jan 1993 12:41:05 -0500
Organization: Yale University
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Spoilers for DS9 episode "Babel"
















About the virus:  how was it able to affect all sorts of
different species in the same way?  I mean, here on Earth,
we have many different species living together (i.e. humans
and their pets, mostly cats and dogs) and the only disease
they share is rabies.  Is this yet another case of the ST
writers not knowing enough science, or am *I* the one who
doesn't know enough science?

Also, someone was complaining that no one died in this
episode.  Well, maybe.  But in one scene we say some
orderlies wheeling a body out on a gurney...is this guy dead
or what?  Also, the panicky ship captain says that he *and*
his crew are leaving, yet we only see Odo drag the captain
off the ship.  I guess the rest of the crew got vaporized?

One quibble about Quark in Ops...if all Odo needed was to
transport to the docking ring, then he didn't need any help.
We have seen one person operate a transporter for himself
many times in previous Trek episodes (I guess there is time
delay setting).  But it was worth having Quark there just to
hear him say "I must have *witnessed* the procedure
thousands of times".  :-)

Also, I really like the way Odo is only confident as a
Constable.  In "Emissary" he doesn't want to help Bashir
tend to the wounded, and in "Babel" he doesn't want to help
Sisko in Ops.  A nice way to show that he is a bit insecure
about his abilities.  Well, at least about *some* of his
abilities; he does say that the Bajoran virus-device was put
on the station "before I became head of security".

A good episode, IMO.

-- 
Joshua E. Randall                       randall-joshua@yale.edu
From: joneil@heretix.East.Sun.COM ( SunExpress IR)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9: Bajorans use Macintoshes!
Date: 22 Jan 1993 09:10:49 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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>|> 
>|> Whereas the main computer systems on Federation starships are supplied
>|> by Hewlett-Packard -- except for that flakey and troublesome holodeck
>|> subsystem, which is from Sun, of course :)
>|> 
>
>Hey, I like HP (even though I work for the competition), but Sun couldn't
>create a holodeck if they're engineers ran into the holodeck, painted a bunch
>of systems, and stacked them up to look like the program, unless your program
>was black and white...  


HEY, QUIT DOWNING SUN MICROSYSTEMS!!  like HP is a good system!! yeah RIGHT!!
pleeeassseee!!  THEY COULDN'T BUILD A WORKSTATION IF THEIR LIFE DEPENDED ON IT.

and for SILLY GRAPES, or whatever SGI stands for, you will be assimilated......

sun rules the desktop!!

JOHN ONEIL
SUN EXPRESS
From: dl91@ecs.soton.ac.uk (D Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Ensign Ro?
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:33:44 GMT

Can someone in the mythical land of Yooessay tell me exactly what Ro
Laren does? And what the hell is a utility belt?

Reply here please, I'm awfully isolated.

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From: kevin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kevin Ernst Duckworth)
Subject: Re: Kira and her scale on the babe-o-meter
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 11:13:27 GMT

In article <C1ADGt.6Au@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> sager@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Brian) writes:
>>>Incidentally, I liked Kira's first
>>>hair style, as opposed to this really short one.  

That's the same thing I thought when I first saw her short hair (I
hate short hair, even on myself) but I think it makes her look good,
frames her face nicely.  I guess it's growing on me.  And besides, it
goes with her character.  :~)


>>>On a scale
>>>from 1 to 10, I would rate them:
>>> 
>>>Kira:	10
>>>Ro:	9.8
>>>Crusher 9.5
>>>Troi:	9.4
>>>Dax:	8.5
>>>					-Quinn
>>
>	Dude, if you think any of them are that high, you've got a
>serious mental problem.  The best of them would be about a 8.0, and
>that's Dax  (without that shit on her face)
>
>						Love,
>							Dorm-Rec
>
 And as for this...comment.........

MR. WORF!!  LOCK ON PHOTONS, DAMN IT!!!  **FIRE**!!!!!!!!!

Just when you think you've drummed them out, here they are again, like
weeds that keep growing once you've uprooted them.  In the words of
some clown, "Thank you for playing.  Please try again."  The game's
not over yet.  >:->

Kevin "I have an urge to say 'You can't get away!'" D.
From: crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: TNG: "Ship in a Bottle" (No spoilers)
Date: 24 Jan 93 04:13:03 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I just watched the satellite uplink of "Ship in a Bottle," and I was
quite impressed.  To avoid spoilers, I'll just say one thing:

If you have a chance, watch "Elementary, Dear Data" from the second
season before watching "Ship in a Bottle."

--PC

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From: cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart question
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:33:22 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <86608@ut-emx.uucp>, rebecca@order.ph.utexas.edu (Rebecca McGowan) writes:
> Is Patrick Stewart married?  If so, to whom?  I heard a very unlikely
> rumor which I won't repeat, but I would like any reliable info.
> 
> Thanks,
> 	Rebecca

Greetings,
Well, I have *heard* that he was married, but divorced not too long
ago, maybe some time last year.

-Pam-
From: chan@biostat.washington.edu (Benjamin Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Accents, accents, accents.
Date: 28 Jan 1993 00:55:28 GMT
Organization: Biostatistics, School of Public Health, Univ. of Wash.
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With all the posts I've been reading about accents in the 24th
century, it made me wonder about something I've heard about a while
ago.  I vaguely remember hearing about something called Standard as a
language in the ST universe.  Does anybody remeber this or is it just
me?  Anyway, I suppose it's the language used by all Federation worlds
to carry out negotiations between Fed planets.  Therefore, it would
seem reasonable for all Starfleet officers to know it.  

- Benjamin Chan
From: jpw@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG's FUNNIEST MOMENTS
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:54:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Drexel University, College of Engineering, Philadelphia, PA

>>>Ah, this show had some great lines....  My favorite is one of Q's:
>>>
>>>   What else have you done?  Teleportation?  Telekenisis?  [Look toward
>>>   Picard] Spontaneous combustion of someone you don't like?
>>Q does seem to get all the good lines, doesn't he? If you want to drag
>>the books into it for a moment, my favorite bit comes from "Q-in-Law".
>>The scene where Q is getting the crap kicked out of him....  
>
>>Riker: "He is really taking a beating. Should we do something?
>>Worf: (completely deadpan)"Sell tickets."   
>
>I was particular to:
>Lwaxana: You made me look like a fool.
>Q: Nature did that. I only gave you an audience.
>
>and
>Q: Picard, get some hair. Your brain has caught cold.


And dont forget:


Q: "Oh, *good*, Worf... eat any good books lately?"
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From: annie@whoville.manassas.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: The Alien in STAR TREK XXXX
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 13:42:40 GMT
Reply-To: kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Company

In article <1993Jan25.184438.18694@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:
|> 
|> This would be far more convincing if Q had ever appeard in a non-humanoid
|> form...

Didn't Q briefly appear as a snake thing once?  He was kind of a
ball in the center, with (I think) 3 snakes sticking out of the top.  
This might have even been the first time he appeared in EaF, and
then he switched to humanoid.

-- 
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From: trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao)
Subject: Re: MOST OVERRATED EPISODE?
Keywords: most
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 00:32:28 GMT

In article <C17pEx.2oC@acsu.buffalo.edu> v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.085555.24567@koko.csustan.edu>, msmith@koko.csustan.edu (Marlan Smith) writes...
>>	First of all they NEVER hint that Picard is under the Borg influence.
>>I thoght it was obvious that he was testing Hugh to see if he really was a bei
>>ng that thought and had feelings like everyone had been telling him. When Hugh
>>refused to "assimitate" it showed us and Picard that Hugh had indeed dicovered
>>a sense of independence. I thought the episode was great!! It drew other hints
>>about the mysterious Borg past... ie. "we are also lonely".
>
>I agree that Picard was not under the influence of the Borg.  If he was, I 
>believe we would have seen it beforehand, on a random basis, like Freudian
>slips.  Unfortunately, I did not like the episode either.  I have two bases
>for this.  
>
>My first is that I find it funny that the Federation is able to do what more
>intelligent and powerful races could not.  They are able to get 2 Borgs and
>use them to beat the Borg from the inside.   I find that a bit hard to 
>believe.  

How do you know that more intelligent and powerful races could not beat
the Borg.  Have there been any examples of this on the show?  To my knowledge,
the E has only encountered a few races that are more powerful (i.e. Q, the 
"God" in *Paradise*, the aliens in "Darmok").  I'm sure that, faced with a 
similar situation, even the Romulans, who are considered on par with the Feds,
would come up with something equally ingenious.  That goes for the "more
powerful" races as well.


>My other peeve with the episode is the logic of thought that the crew had.
>If he is back to an individual status, sending him back could affect the 
>Borg.  I felt that the writer was insulting the watcher's intelligence.
>When a being is joined with the Borg, they become a small part of an
>overwhelming communal inteligence.  They lose their individuality there.
>If they send Hugh back, he will be part of them again, and go back to zombie
>status again.  

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that they acknowledged this in
the show (the fact that Hugh would be re-assimilated).  What they were hoping
was that, since every Borg experiences the memories of every other Borg, at 
the moment of assimilation, Hugh's experience with the E and his feeling of
identity would be felt by the entire Borg community, even if only for an
instant.

Sanjai Rao.

"Resistance is futile"
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From: mjm4@ellis.uchicago.edu (Michael J McNaughton)
Subject: Re: TNG's Funniest Moments
Reply-To: mjm4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:11:16 GMT

In article <aabbasi.728154833@vela> aabbasi@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Amal A. Abbasi) writes:
>I loved the scene in Rascals after little Picard threw a tantrum wanting
>to see his father.  After discussing the children's boredom, little Picard
>slips and says "Thank you, Number One".  He and Riker exchanges worried
>looks and look at the Ferengi.  Little Picard then says "He's my number
>one dad!" as they hug with the cheesiest smiles I've ever seen.  My
>friends and I were dying after seeing that one.
>-- 
>Amal A. Abbasi

That scene, and the one previous to it, when Little John-Luc enters the
ready room, runs up to Riker and hugs him screaming "Daddy!" are truly
the only two scenes which make me like "Rascals". The look of utter 
confusion on Riker's face followed by that stupid grin is comedy at its
best... really!

-- 
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The University of Chicago			front of me, than to have
mjm4@midway.uchicago.edu			a frontal lobotomy!
From: rene@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rene Magritte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: WORST EPISODE
Date: 21 Jan 1993 07:48:28 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
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paris@zygon.dev.cdx.mot.com (Gregory M. Paris) writes:

>rene@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rene Magritte) writes:
>>dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann) writes:
>>
>>>  "Symbiosis" -- Pedantic anti-drug preaching reaches new lows.
>> 
>>	I'd agree that Wesley's little preachy questions about "why
>>would anybody want to ...." was pretty annoying and tedious and struck
>>me like something off of a NETWORK SHOW (oooh, big insult!), but I
>>actually found the rest of the show to be quite interesting and
>>enjoyable.  The basic premise of the show is not in itself a War on

>Funny, I just got done watching this episode and thinking that it
>was really rather good.  Sure the Wesley part was Vomit City, but
>the two edged sword of the Prime Directive was great.  Besides, as
>one of the few times that the Prime Directive was adhered to, this
>episode is a must.  Also, don't forget, this one has the Yar waving
>goodbye scene!  All in all, a classic TNG.

 
	I concur, really.

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From: jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Picard's alleged lack of accent (was: Re: Picard's family)
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:16:35 GMT

[Precisely what does this have to do with Picard's family?]

David Johnson writes
> When I went to China, I met a Chinese man who spoke English [..]

In sounding "English, as opposed to American or Chinese" (as David
Johnson said) this man has an English accent.  However that accent
might not be discernable to you because (perhaps) you speak the same
way.  I believe most Americans believe that people from England have
an English (sometimes also called 'British') accent.  Then again, I'm
reasonably sure that most of the British feel that Americans have an
accent.  Even within England and the US there are accents specific to
certain regions.  For this reason, it might be possible by a British
person to not only know that another person is from the US, but also
place where they are from (or place where their English teacher is
from).

The thing about accents is that they are subjective.  To people from
the same region, others have accents, not them.

> I can speak three languages without an accent.

That's great that you can speak three languages, however, I doubt that
your speech (in any of your three languages) is completely
accent-free.

> Why do people think it would be impossible for [..]

To me it makes no sense to speak of Picard as having an accent or not.
It makes far more sense, to me, to speak of Patrick Stewart as having
an accent or not.  With that, I say that Stewart speaks English with a
British/English accent.  Perhaps not audible to everyone because some
speak the same way, but to most Americans (and people of other regions
of the world, I'm sure) he definately does.  This is neither a bad nor
a good point about Stewart to me.

> In Europe, people have a lot of contact with people from [..]

Perhaps that's true, but that doesn't mean (for instance) that an
Italian can't pick out a German speaking Italian versus an Italian
speaking Italian.  There might even be Italian dialects concentrated
in certain regions of Italy (the north versus the south, perhaps).
There are definately regional differences in speech within England and
the US even though the same language is being spoken.
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Riker`s Captaincy
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:18:06 GMT

cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone) writes:

>intervened.  Riker knows the Enterprise-D intimately.

Hmm, kinda scare...

	Yes, oh yes, oh YES!!!!!! Thanks you replicator, that was GREAT!

Sorry in advance...

		CtB










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From: eburke@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Eli Burke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Same for DS9 intro (was Re: TNG music trax suck)
Date: 25 Jan 93 05:45:11 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

In article <DAVIDM.93Jan24160743@consilium.com> davidm@consilium.com (David S. Masterson) writes:
>I really like the new Deep Space Nine, but the opening music sequence is not
>up to the standards of Star Trek.  I think that what it lacks is the voice
>over that has come to be so recognizable with Star Trek ("Space -- the final
>frontier").  The voice over always seemed to set the direction of show and to
>lay out Gene Roddenberry's vision of the future.  Does anyone else feel the

Several comments: First, Gene is dead now. DSN is a departure from his
strict "vision" of how ST must work. (Mainly the no contention between
Big E crew members rule). Second, you think that the DSN music is not
up to par with TNG music. Well, have you ever listened carefully to
the music instead of going for the disection straight away? The deep
bass overtones give it a grandeur and darkness not present in TNG. It
still sends chills up and down my arms. Third, why a voice over? It
gets a tad bit stale hearing it over and over. Just like the same
variations on TOS music through the movies and TNG.

>Space -- the final frontier,
>but even in the final frontier,
>there are ... frontiers.
>These are the stories of
>the crew of Deep Space Nine.
>The shining sentinel between
>a world almost lost to despair
>and a galaxy full of possibilities.
>Its mission -- to find a balance
>between the realities of the past
>and the greatness that is yet to be...

cute, but really now... ;-)
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From: hjanberg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Stewart's/Picard's accent
Date: 24 Jan 93 00:11:09 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

Concerning that note that French is a dead language in the 24th century,
I cannot believe that. 
1st of all it would be against the policies of the UFP, since the French
language is only gonna die when it is oppressed (sorry, I'm French).
Second, Picard still speaks it and all his family does.
Third, a language soesn't die that easily...

-Nicolas
From: 00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Worf is spineless?  (was Re: Duras Sisters' Cleavage DSN)
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:01:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ball State University

In article <1993Jan20.225208.17340@fcom.cc.utah.edu>, val@news.ccutah.edu (Val Kartchner) writes:
> 
> Premises:
>    1) (Non-deformed) Klingons have duplicates of all major organs.

if I remember correctly Klingongs have duplicates of MOST major
organs.  Does Worf have two brains?

>    2) The central nervous system is a MAJOR organ in a Klingon.
>       (Worf was willing to die rather than do without it.)

Your premise here is wrong... the central nervous system is a sytem not
an organ.  A system is defined as a group of organs working together to
provide a basic need.  Like the cardo-respitory system, using the heart,
lungs and blood vessels, but it is not an organ itself.  The central
nervous system is (at least in humans) the brain, spinal cord, and nerves.
so if you went on the premise that the spinal cord was cut, then it is easy
to assume the the duplicate would be right next to it, sees as how Klingons
don't have two backbones.  from that since the spinal cord next to it was
cut then couldn't the duplicate be cut also?  This is all assuming that
the is indeed a duplicate spinal cord...

>    3) Worf is a Klingon.
> 
> Conclusion:
>    Worf is a deformed Klingon.

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From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE NINE MUSIC.
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:46:44 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
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In article <1k79in$fuv@agate.berkeley.edu> felix@ocf.berkeley.edu  
(Felix Ling) writes:
> I, for one have never been that impressed with Williams' music.   
His
> work on _Star Wars_, _Indiana Jones_, _Superman_, etc., could all  
really
> almost be interchangeable if you think about it.  Recognizable?  Of
> course, but mostly because he writes (or even borrows, sometimes)  
this
> catchy theme which he'll repeat over and over again throughout the
> course of the movie.  I also am not fond of those who try to  
imitate
> Williams' style, like, say, Jerry Goldsmith when he wrote the  
ST:TMP
> theme.  

I don't think Goldsmith was imitating Williams. I think rather
he was trying to evoke old sea movies. In any case, I think
he did a spectacular job with ST:TMP (the score and a few
of the effects shots are the only reason to watch the movie).
But then, Goldsmith has long been one of my favorite movie 
composers. In fact, he'd get my vote as best living 
film composer, and ranks right up there with the likes of
Hermann and Tiomkin as best of all time.

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From: huggins@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Jim Huggins)
Subject: Re: Worst Episode 
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:27:33 GMT

Folks -- this thread really belongs in .misc, not in .current.
With all the complaints about how unmanagable .current is
to read these days, let's try to be careful about where we
discuss such things, OK?

Follow-ups to .misc.
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