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From: eeb1@quads.uchicago.edu (e elizabeth bartley)
Subject: Re: Subject change: politics
Reply-To: eeb1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:49:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov2.204400.399@bradford.ac.uk>
S.S.B.Glover@bradford.ac.uk (SSB GLOVER) writes:
>Rubert, Rodney ~ (rrubert@cisncc.intel.com) wrote:
>: >>->In another article trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu
>: >>->(Barbara Trumpinski) writes:

>: >>->>"I don't see why," Lady Sally said.  "Pacifists--and anarchists, and
>: >>->>libertarians-- specifically repudiate the right of the state to employ
>: >>->>armed agents--to protect them from murder, for instance.  So shooting
>: >>->>one ought to be no worse than a misdemeanor. 'Disturbing the peace,'
>: >>->>say, or 'frivolous discharge of a firearm.'"

>: 	   I am quite sure that libertarians should not be lumped in here.
>: 	They (we) do believe in a justice system enforcing laws against
>: 	actions that violate the rights of others. I believe Heinlein's
>: 	character Lazaruz Long had a similar opinion about pacifiscts
>: 	and anarchists. He added a warning, anarchists are prone to 
>: 	shooting back. So are libertarians.

>: 	   Incedently there are no "armed agents--to protect them from murder"
>: 	in this country. As much as some political groups might want to
>: 	hide it, individuals are responsible for their own saftey.

>If you can't see the contradiction here...

>The only thing worse than a randist in disguise is an illiterate randist in
>disguise... ;-)

>As far as I can see, you want the state to protect YOU from murder whilst
>saying the state has no generic duty to protect folk from murder..

Beth looks up.  "That's not the way I interpreted it.  I thought he
meant that the state had as much moral duty to protect libertarians as
anyone else, but that in practical fact the state wasn't in the
business of protecting its citizens but rather avenging them."

-- 
Pro-Choice                 Anti-Roe                     - E. Elizabeth Bartley
            Abortions should be safe, legal, early, and rare.

Cthulhu for President -- when you're tired of voting for the lesser of 2 evils.
From: aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Aaron Humphrey)
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Reply-To: aaron@space.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:20:19 GMT

Speaker-to-Minerals (lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU) wrote:
: In article <1992Nov10.073651.15226@muddcs.claremont.edu>, dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David Green) writes:
: =In another article lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
: =->In some article pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (The Nightstalker) writes:
: =->=The Nightstalker appears from under a pile of papers on colliding galaxies
: =->=that lies in a corner of the bar, and hands Mike the following......
: =->
: =->Well, he's at it again.  I *DO* wish he wouldn't come in here and immediately
: =->start preaching.
: =
: =Pots and kettles, StM.  You preach in your own way; just that you don't preach
: =about religion.
: 
: But that's not *ALL* I do, and I very seldom *START* a thread in which I'm
: going to pontificate.

"Excuse me, StM?  I seem to recall seeing several posts in here from 'Stalker
in the past few months that >didn't< concern religion.  They were, in fact,
more concerned with love, and other things.  I'm sure that Nightstalker has
been trying >very hard< not to say any bad words in alt.callahans that might
annoy StM, but these just slipped out.  Or maybe he just felt pride at getting
something published, and wanted to share it with us, even if the subject matter
therein might upset one or two of the patrons.  Ya think?"

--
---Alfvaen(Canadian SF Quasi-Activist)
"It's not my fault.  The orchestra has disappeared."
   ---Hector Berlioz
Current Album--The Waterboys:This Is The Sea
Current Read--John Irving:The World According To Garp
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: yho@bmerh2.bnr.ca (Yue-shun Ho)
Subject: Re: Kate Bush
Reply-To: yho@utcs.utoronto.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 22:34:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.143738.23425@marlin.jcu.edu.au> lalford@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu writes:
>
>Nicarra grins.  "I think I have set this so replies will go to my
>account and not Ross's.  Just in the odd instance that anyone would like
>to."
>

Is sending you a happy birthday note something odd?  Hmmmmm?

yue-shun, toronto, ontario
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: B'Naal's mail problems
Date: 13 Nov 1992 21:05:10 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
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In article <JBrandt-131192090714@aaa.uoregon.edu>, JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt (Jason)) writes:
>Well, if the systems in question are VAX computers, logging on to the MAIL
>program and typing "SET NOFORWARD" should make that account break the loop,
>and be the one that really gets all the mail.

It may not be that simple.  You see, MAX.U.WASHINGTON.EDU is running PMDF, a
third-party mailer.  I don't know whether there might be an alternate method of
setting forwarding for PMDF.  It may be that, like other programs intended to
emulate Unix stuff, it looks for a .something_or_other file in the user's
default login directory.  At any rate, B'Naal's forwarding on MAX has been
cancelled, so mail sent to him should no longer bounce.  The question now is,
how long will it be before he logs in on MAX and finds that that's where his
mail is going?
From: eesshlgb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (S H L G Bisson)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Gasoline taxes
Date: 6 Nov 92 09:51:26 GMT
Organization: School of Electrical Engineering, University of Bath, UK

DM and the Space cadet are discussing bus-lanes:

"As for busses: why not let them go 100 MPH and give them their
own lane on the highways? That would cause more people to take
the bus, especially during rushhour!"

"Such a thing exists in Sydney, although not quite at that high a 
speed! There is a full-time bus-only lane into the CBD from the Gore 
Hill Freeway and over the Harbour Bridge, as well as several other 
peak hour bus-only lanes spread throughout the major arterial roads 
leading into the city centre."

The cartoon mouse leans over the arm of the overstuffed rocking chair,
and joins in.

"Round here, the local council is investing quite a bit of money in road
improvements aimed at improving public transport. Bristol has until now
had major problems with congestion, especially on the A4 from Bath. Road
widening work is currently taking place. However this will be a bus lane,
not for cars...

"The local bus company, whilst being fairly expensive on the whole, does
provide a very frequent service. Most routes within Bath have wait times
on the order of 10 minutes, whilst out of town routes operate on hourly
or half hourly schedules.

"There's also what seems to be a fairly uniquely British concept that
hasn't been mentioned here yet: the Park And Ride. 

"Here an out of town parking area for a large number of cars is set up,
and a subsidised bus route direct to the town centre is provided. In 
Bath we have three Park and Ride schemes at present, with a further three
planned. These, in conjunction with bus lanes should provide a much improved
traffic flow, and a more pleasant environment in the town.

"Public transport is important, and, I believe, with our environmental
problems, has to have government or local funding to compete effectively
against the car."

-----
Ignatz Mouse/Simon Bisson...net.jerriais...sf-bibliophile at shortish........
-----
From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt (Thyra))
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: FOOD FIGHT !!! (Re: Oh Yeah)
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:08:38 GMT
Followup-To: alt.callahans
Organization: University of Oregon, Architecture
NNTP-Posting-Host: aaa.uoregon.edu

In article <Nov07.030727.79679@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>,
arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith) wrote:
> 
> In article <JBrandt-061192085545@aaa.uoregon.edu> JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt (Thyra)) writes:
> >She takes out another amulet and puts it on, and offers others to Susan,
> >Liralen and Bear. "Does anybody else want a protective amulet? All it does
> >is make messy stuff rebound on the caster. But these things -won't- stop
> >peanuts or other stuff that won't hurt or mess up the wearer."
> 
> The Net.diety respondeth: "Do they stop flames?  I seem to have a sudden
> need for flamage protection."  (Not *here* mind you, but I do need it.)
> 
> Big Al.  Flame Warrior.

<Sigh!> "Nope, just food fights. Sorry."

Purrs,
Thyra
.
From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt (Thyra))
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: FOOD FIGHT !!! (Re: Oh Yeah)
Followup-To: alt.callahans
Date: 6 Nov 1992 17:10:18 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon, Architecture
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Nov03.022332.19977@openage.openage.com>,
gryphon@openage.openage.com (The Golden Gryphon) wrote:
> >ArchTeryx raises a cherry pie and looses it like a Sidewinder.  It homes
> >right in on the Golden Gryphon and SPLATS on his beak. :>
> 
> OOOOFFF "Thanks ArchTeryx,  I needed that like a hole in the head."
> 
> The Gryphon grumps off to the Hot Tub to clean off.

Thyra watches as everyone seems to gang up on the Golden Gryphon. Finally
she shakes her head, and decides that's enough. She reaches into a
slit-pocket in her minidress, extracting a small silver medalion on a long
silver chain. She walks over to the hot tub, dodging flying foodstuffs, and
gently places the medallion around the Golden Gryphon's neck. "Here Goldie,
this should help you. The problem is, you are too visible as a target. It
comes with the territory when you post a lot and have a memorable sig."

At that moment yet another pie sails towards the beseiged Gryphon. But this
one doesn't hit him. As it approaches, the amulet Thyra gave him glows
bright blue, and the pie reverses course in mid-air. It sails right back at
Archeteryx, who threw that pie, and catches him in the chest. Two more pies
aimed at the Golden Gryphon rebound on their throwers in similar fashion.
"Is that better Goldie? Now they can't hit you. Of course, if you are
wearing this and start throwing things yourself, I'll make it disappear,
'cause it wouldn't be fair that way."

She takes out another amulet and puts it on, and offers others to Susan,
Liralen and Bear. "Does anybody else want a protective amulet? All it does
is make messy stuff rebound on the caster. But these things -won't- stop
peanuts or other stuff that won't hurt or mess up the wearer."

Purrs,
Thyra
.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: eeb1@quads.uchicago.edu (e elizabeth bartley)
Subject: Re: An introduction
Reply-To: eeb1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:53:36 GMT

In article <o4BXTB1w164w@geloser.login.qc.ca>
rider@geloser.login.qc.ca (Serge Ayotte) writes:

>"Beth, it always a pleasure to meet new friend around the Place. And
>since you are a bookworm-compatriot (I have the same taste, but much
>more SF then fantasy), may I hug you?"

"Certainly.  Hugs are almost always a pleasure."

Beth grins at her bookworm-compatriot and gives him a hearty hug.

-- 
    Beth Bartley               Delurked -- Hi, all!
                "Kbox fall down go boom."    - Ron Levy
"He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who
dares not, is a slave."                - William Drummond
From: pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (The Nightstalker)
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:54:51 GMT

In article <RANDOLPH.92Nov10194503@cognito.ebay.Sun.COM> randolph@cognito.ebay.Sun.COM (Randolph Fritz) writes:
>"It is perhaps worth noting that most great physicists are religious.
>Hey, maybe they know something we don't."
>
>__R

The Nightstalker chimes in.

"Well, I didn't think I was that great, but hey!"

"To God!"

<crash>

--

Mick Pope,                                          I      "On Christ the
Sir Frank Packer Dept of Theoretical Physics,   ----+----   solid rock I
School of Physics, University of Sydney,            I       stand, all other
Sydney, Australia, 2006.  (02) 692 3241             I       ground is sinking
                                                    I       sand." - C. Wesley
                                                    I 

And the comment for today is:  

          
"Though this be madness, yet there is
method in't." - Hamlet act II, scene II
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: SJ&TCS
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:24:33 GMT
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Nov12.142424.25583@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>, rich@theophilus.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Krum) writes:
=How sad that one of the greatest groups will be hardly noticed in passing--
=all we have left now is Peter Schickle (sic) and B.D.Q. Bach--

Are you SURE about the spelling?  I thought there was another vowel in there
someplace.  And it's P.D.Q. Bach.  And Shickele retired the act about two years
ago (or said he was retiring the act).

=Now I have to really look for some Spike Jones so my children will have
=some cultural knowledge of his work.  They've seen all the Ernie Kovacks
=stuff I can find, as well as the Three Stooges--

See if you can find the movie _Fireman_Save_My_Child_.  Starring Spike Jones,
Buddy Hackett, and the City Slickers.
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: RAPTURE
Date: 7 Nov 1992 04:56:10 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <JBrandt-061192162837@aaa.uoregon.edu>, JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt (Thyra)) writes:
=In article <UeyfNSy00aw=Qp5UYL@andrew.cmu.edu>, Mark Beirne Lively
=<ml5a+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
=> Hmm Could they be buying salvation.  "Every penny in the plate is a
=> minute less you wait"  Salvation for Sale.  I can see an entire industry
=> here give us your money and we will garuntee salvation.  It you are not
=> perfectly satisfied with your afterlife come to us for a full refund
=> plus 10%.  (sorry no relatives or proxies)

It's already been done.  By the Catholic church during the middle ages and
early Renaissance, if I remember my history correctly.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: dgil@IPSAINT.IPSA.REUTER.COM (Gillett, David)
Subject: Re: More elections, a victory...
Reply-To: dgil@IPSAINT.IPSA.REUTER.COM (Gillett, David)
Organization: Reuters APL Software Division
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:25:41 GMT

     Mentor finds Michael's comments reasonably well thought out, but a bit
troublesome nonetheless.

     Perhaps, in some ideal world, the competence of a politician to represent
their constituents depends only on ability and not on identification with the
concerns and problems of those constituents.  I don't think we yet live in that
ideal world.
     In a world where an awful lot of blacks were slaves and women could not
vote, a white man represented a bunch of white men.  Race and gender were
essentially irrelevant, and geography made sense as a way of distinguishing
the interests of one set of constituents from the interests of another.
     The abolition of slavery did not end racism.  The franchise for women did
not end sexism.  Diversity of representation is not fostering division of the
population:  it is acknowledging and representing divisions which exist in the
represented population.  The franchise has been extended to groups whose
problems and interests do not follow neat local geographic boundaries, problems
which have been exacerbated by the (perceived) exclusion of these groups from
representation.

     I think that it is reasonable to hope that someday differences in race and
gender will not translate, in American society, into privilege and
disadvantage, and in that day I would hope that, if we still resort to
representation to effect democracy, elected representatives will reflect all
points of the most important spectra of divergence in the population at that
time.  I think it's fair to say that, at present, race and gender exert much
greater influence on the lives of an awful lot of Americans than geography.
Perhaps in fifty years some other criterion will have become more important.
                                      Mentor the Sage

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From: eeb1@quads.uchicago.edu (e elizabeth bartley)
Subject: An introduction
Reply-To: eeb1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:15:48 GMT

Hi, all.

My name is Beth (well, Edith Elizabeth, but I've always gone by 
Beth) Bartley.  I've been an occasional lurker on alt.callahans, 
mostly on the political arguments that crop up, for a while.  I 
think I've probably posted a couple of articles, but not a 
significant number.  This is a delurking post that hopefully will 
persuade me to keep posting.

I'm at the University of Chicago; I think I already know everyone 
posting to alt.callahans who knows the U of C.  If not, we can 
chat in e-mail and not bore the others....   Netwise, I'm known 
as "Bess" on a couple of MU*s, but I haven't been around there 
much lately.  I used to participate heavily in talk.abortion (see 
the .sig; I plan to change it since I expect Clinton to make it a 
moot point), but I've gotten thoroughly sick of the continual 
flamewar and the way the same arguments go around and around and 
around in circles.  I've posted a little bit on scattered other 
newsgroups, but I haven't posted anywhere besides t.a. for any 
length of time.

Miscellanea: I'm a bookworm, reading mostly science fiction /
fantasy but also a lot of mysteries.  I tend to be bouncy and
energetic and this is enhanced by all the caffeine I drink (in
soft drinks; I don't much like either coffee or tea).  I used
to play the guitar and piano but haven't practiced on either in
a while.  I'm afraid my writing may wind up too formal, but I'll
try and keep an eye on that when I start getting stuffy.

Herewith will follow vast quantities of politics....  And my 
apologies in advance if I go into a subject that's just been done 
to death; when I said "occasional lurker", I did mean occasional.

-- 
Pro-Choice                 Anti-Roe                     - E. Elizabeth Bartley
            Abortions should be safe, legal, early, and rare.

Cthulhu for President -- when you're tired of voting for the lesser of 2 evils.
From: randolph@cognito.ebay.Sun.COM (Randolph Fritz)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: More elections, a victory...
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:41:57 GMT
	<1992Nov5.225203.13430@midway.uchicago.edu>
	<RANDOLPH.92Nov5175918@cognito.ebay.Sun.COM>
	<1992Nov6.223034.21795@midway.uchicago.edu>
Organization: St. Dismas Infirmary for the Incurably Informed
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In-reply-to: mss2@ellis.uchicago.edu's message of Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:30:34 GMT

"Michael, it occurs to me the that the various movements for black and
Hispanic districts actually have a historic precedent in the emergence
of Irish, Italian, and Jewish districts and politicians in older
cities.  I think it may just be politics as usual.  With women, of
course, the situation is different; there may still be a parallel.  I
think--maybe--that when a group finally emerges into the middle class
and gains its own political voice (different from having the vote),
there's a period when people want their own representatives & simply
don't care how fair it is."

__R
From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: *blink* How classic..
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:45:47 GMT
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi

> He slips back into the shadows, but an occasional light
>  from the fire glints off his glasses, and illuminates his
>  face, with a mysterious smile upon it.  He may be watching..
>
>Taldin and Suds

      "Hello Taldin and Suds ! Most of us are at a Halloween bash in 1691.
     It looks like many have forgotten to get themselves back to the 20th
     Century... I have been fending off the grey-side from Morticia who
     has yet to meet Gomez Addams. I think she's trying to get me..." DJ

-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM - Gulf Park Campus 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
                     "Kill the Wabbit ! " Elmer Fudd. 
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From: mss2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Subject: Re: Gasoline taxes
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 05:49:43 GMT

In article <Nov07.031746.79453@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.211201.20151@data-io.com> li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus) writes:
>>S H L G Bisson writes:

>>>"There's also what seems to be a fairly uniquely British concept that
>>>hasn't been mentioned here yet: the Park And Ride. 

>>Actually, we have a *lot* of them around Seattle.

>"We have several in Denver, too.  Can't say as it caught on as much as in
>Seattle, but then again, our bus system is not a real popular thing."

	"They exist in Detroit and Chicago as well.  They're not real
popular, unsurprisingly-- there are no bus lanes or other ways to cut
the travel time, so Park and Ride takes much longer for any
significant commute, since one adds driving to the bus stop, waiting
for the bus, and taking a less direct route (since the bus isn't going
only to your destination) to it with no significant benefit to the
rider."

Michael

-- 
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"Indeed I tremble for my country
mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 when I reflect that God is just."
mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 -- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on
mss2@amber.uchicago.edu		    Virginia (1784)
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From: dgil@IPSAINT.IPSA.REUTER.COM (Gillett, David)
Subject: Re: More elections, a victory...
Reply-To: dgil@IPSAINT.IPSA.REUTER.COM (Gillett, David)
Organization: Reuters APL Software Division
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:59:07 GMT

StM:
  After all, Clinton has just managed to convince the American electorate that
  separation of powers as envisioned by the framers of the Constitution is
  *BAD* [he did it by calling it gridlock];  I don't know whether a similar
  separation on other grounds is good or bad, given that the original
  separation has been subverted.

moi:
  I thought Bush was the candidate running against Congress....

  More seriously:  I have considerable doubt that 'separation of powers as
  envisioned by the framers' has existed during my lifetime.  If it (and I'm
  not certain which candidate *first* called it "gridlock") is the excuse for
  Bush's failings, then I think it follows that George made promises that went
  beyond what any president has the authority to deliver -- and I belive he
  should have known that he was doing so.

                                             Mentor

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From: s903040@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Christopher Francis Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: An introduction
Date: 11 Nov 1992 02:44:18 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
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aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine) writes:

>                         --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
>                             @netcom.com 

>Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6

>Who needs Lime Jello [tm]?  We had lasagna.....

What's rule 6?

And what on Earth is the last line about????????????????? (okay, so I got
carried away - so sue me)

-- 
ThunderKat (a.k.a. Chris Anderson)    s903040@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

"Sam pressed the button. A few lights flashed on the CPU. And another human
life ended. Somehow, it's always sad, no matter what."