HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: I fucked a cow and liked it.
From: gjoshi@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Girish M. Joshi)
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:15:00 EST

rgm4@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Raghuram G Murtugudde) writes:
: In article <1993Jan6.043413.28843@engr.LaTech.edu> sista@engr.LaTech.edu (Ravi K. Sista) writes:
: >Hemalatha Vellanki (hema@atlantis.ksu.ksu.edu) wrote:
: >: You should all try this.  Now you can still fuck your wife even after
: >: shes dead.  Really I swear bessie looks at me funny now but she does 
: >: have a nice tight hole.
: >
: >: (Fuck you all)
: >
: >	HOW CAN SUCH INDECENT LANGUAGE BE ALLOWED TO BE PRINTED IN THE
: >INDIAN NET.  I STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS SORT OF ARTICLE BEING POSTED AND
: >THAT TOO FROM A WOMAN.
:  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: >
: >	FLAMES ARE WELCOME,
: >
: >RAVI KUMAR SISTA
: >
: >
: 
:  What the hell difference does it make if it is posted by a woman?
:  Are you saying you are offended  because it was posted by a woman?
: 
:  Raghu

I am sure nobody is offended personally by Ms. Hema's posting.
Unless it has been intended to be DIrected toward someone.
Otherwise this statement has no meaning.
I am not sure what made Ms. Hema to make such a statement.
Please do not misuse the net for such useless activities.

Girish.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:43367 soc.culture.china:34227 soc.culture.tamil:4952 soc.culture.indian.telugu:1600
From: yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Indo-china issues, Sum lien
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:56:09 GMT
Organization: New York University

atulpule@sebastian.carleton.ca (Ajit Tulpule) writes:

>In <C0JM9L.4sI@cmcl2.nyu.edu> yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang) writes:

>>sramacha@aludra.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran) writes:

>>>Well, China has an enormous potential to light up this world with the
>>>teachings of Buddha.  Buddha epitomizes peace more than even Ram or
>>>Gandhi (my opinion) If China is to be a torch-bearer of Buddha's ideals,
>>>one way for it to start is to stop selling arms.

>>This is another bullshit, this guy is telling us not selling weapons
>>to feed our people but let them starve to death (like in India).

>>Ze Yang

>So you sell weapons in the name of peace, non-violence, and Buddhism, do you ?
>Believe me, you dont have to worry about your people starving to death. Your
>"system"  will kill them anyways. Just ask them to go to Tiann???? square.

Yes, Chinese sell weapons to build a more peaceful word, but not
under the name of Buddhism, maybe you are involving too deep in
the religious war which is happenning in your country and
got confused.

You sarcasm about my previous post can only reveal your stupidity.

>Ajit.

Ze Yang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh)
Subject: Re: The Start of a New Beginning
Keywords: Ayodhya, Hindu, Muslim, secular, history, politics
Organization: Univ of Illinois, Center for Supercomputing R&D, Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 19:01:15 GMT

(Girish) writes:

>the historic  December 6 events in Ayodhya will make interesting reading. This
>article has been taken from "The Illustrated Weekly of India", December 12-18,
>1992.
>
>     The Pakistanis fuelled anti-Islamic sentiment in India  by  their  crass
>insistence  that  Kashmir  belonged  to  them because a majority of Kashmiris
>(forgetting those in Jammu and Ladakh) were Muslims. Had Pakistan left  India
>alone,  distrust of Muslims would have died a natural death. But that was not
>to be. And Muslims in India have not told their co-religionists  in  Pakistan
>to  shut  up. At least not loudly and not insistently. A fear has always per-
>sisted in Hindu minds that Muslims are not reliable. This  has  been  another
>factor governing Hindu-Muslim relations in India.

Pakistan could hardly afford to do otherwise.  After creating a country
based on Mulim nationhood, they could hardly let their brothers in India
suffer under Hindu rule without lifting a finger.  It is downright stupid
of Mr. Kamath to demand that indian muslims understand the psyche of hindu 
peasants and concede the masjid to them, while overlooking this crucial 
component of Pakistani nationhood.

>     Many further believe that the Muslim attitude is one of: "what  we  have
>is  ours,  what  you  have  is  also ours". The Muslims voted solidly for the
>Muslim League and for Pakistan. Today's generation says  that  it  cannot  be
>made  to  pay  for what their fathers did. But surely those fathers are still
>around who should have known better? The Shahi Imam says that he wants  India
>to  be  "secular".  Were those mullahs who coughed fire and brimstone in 1946
>secular?

To hold a person to what he thought more than 40 years ago is really childish.
Can Mr. Kamath honestly say that his World view has not changed since 1946.  
Conditions were very different in 1946 than they are now.  With the British 
abruptly leaving the place, any muslim would quite rightly feel very unsecure.
It is truly juvenile to blame them for it today.

Sanjoy Ghosh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sdp@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (sunil.d.patil)
Subject: Looking for Gang Members of Larsen & Toubro Ltd, Bombay
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:12:26 GMT



	Looking for :

	Sabnis : HP, Cupertino, CA
	Raju   : Topaz Electronics, CA
	Bala   : Intel, AZ
	Shrikanth : Director of Biomedical division in some 
		    Hospital in OH or PA

	Guys, please get in touch with me. Let us get together and
	talk about good old days at L&T.

	Sunil Patil
	AT&T Bell Labs
	New Jersey
	(201)-386-3843
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: shree@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (sanjiv.bhatt)
Subject: Need Info (astrology and Gujarati fonts)
Keywords: Need Info
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:55:56 GMT

Hi everybody:

I am looking for free Gujarati fonts (Unix/mac/IBM-PC).

I am looking for program for Hindu Horoscope.
I would prefer source code since I wants to develope further
with hindi language. I know about shrini's RAASI ( only executable)
and astrolog ( this does not give correct Hindu horoscope).

Thanks in advance.

Sanjiv Bhatt.
att!ihlpb!sanjiv
sanjiv@cbnewsf.att.com
From: bansala@mse.ogi.edu (A. Bansal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Query regarding transfer of F-1 visa to new passport
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:38:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.47987
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering


  I am in the U.S. on an F-1 visa and am planning a 
  trip to India in the month of February this year. Since
  my current passport was expiring on Feb.10'1993, I have 
  obtained a new passport booklet from the 
  Indian consulate office in San Francisco. However, my 
  current F-1 visa and my I-94 form are in the old passport.
  Do I need to get my F-1 visa transferred to the new passport?
  if so, how do I do this? 
  On the other hand, can I simply 
  staple the old and new passports together? 
  if I do this do you think I 
  might face any problems in entering the US on my way back 
  from India?

   I shall appreciate any info in this regard. Please mail 

   responses directly to bansala@mse.ogi.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)
Subject: Kashmir massacre (?)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 17:58:24 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

For two days now, AP and UPI have been carrying conflicting versions of the 
killings in Kashmir. This shows exactly how biased some news agencies are today.
It would seem likely that only one of the two versions is true - either there
was a massacre or there was an explosives dump fire. But then notice the slant
the two news agencies have. Obviously, they toe the line of their owners -
whoever they may be. One has implicit faith in Indian Govt press releases; the
other does'nt. Who is right? Who knows?
My guess is that there was a massacre. But, if in reality there was'nt - then 
the Indian Govt has received very biased coverage from AP. In this situation,
the Indian Govt. would only have itself to blame - this would be a direct
consequence of Kashmir being off-limits to foreigners. I have never understood
the purpose served by barring foreign reporters from troubled areas. Face it, 
it would take tremendous guts for any reporter to actually go there. So why bar
them?

Sudhama

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: editor@rbhatnagar.csm.uc.edu (digest editor)
Subject: Re: alt.hindu Newsgroup
Organization: Univ of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:12:37 GMT


Continuing from previous post:
some of the other people who have contributed to the creation 
of alt.hindu also include:
Chandan bandopadhyaya (Northeastern University)
Ajay Shah (University of Arizona)
Mihir Meghani (University of Michigan)
Kanchan Banerjee (Boston University)

and others.  They also frequently help edit the group.
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: For M___baaz Arindam Ghosh
Date: 4 Jan 1993 07:48:56 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu

In article <SHUBU.93Jan4003427@green.cs.wisc.edu>, shubu@cs.wisc.edu (Shubhendu S. Mukherjee) writes:
>
>>>>>> In article <1993Jan4.053142.25337@cs.wisc.edu>, shubu@green.cs.wisc.edu (Shubhendu S. Mukherjee) writes:
>
>SSM> Shono mon boli tomay shob koro prem koro na
>SSM> Prem je kathaler, aare lagle por-e chhare na.
>
>The second line should be:
>
>Prem je kathaler atha, aare lagle por-e chhare na.
>		 ^^^^
>I missed one word.
>
>Luck!
>-Shubu
I can't say I trust your memory too much.
Prem je kanthaler atha lagle pore aar chhare na.
Love
Arindam

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bond@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Girish)
Subject: Re: Win Win situation for Muslims Hindus & Secularists at Ayodhya
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:12:16 GMT

In article <86178@ut-emx.uucp> viswanat@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Viswanath Vadlamani) writes:
>[.....]
>The facts  before an independent india are:
>
>i) Mosque which was closed to prayer from independence.
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>[.....]


    Nope! Muslims stopped praying at the Ram Janmabhoomi site in 1936.

    -- Girish.


Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:42749 soc.culture.pakistan:19136 soc.culture.bangladesh:7297
From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Sameet's Hypocracy
Date: 4 Jan 93 13:26:07 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1993Jan3.204702.18285@fuug.fi> an3814@anon.penet.fi writes:
>X-Anon-To: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
>himself.  You must be wondering that who that insane is.  He is bastard
								^^^^^^^^
	Can you say hypocrite?  I knew you could.  How can you keep a 
	straight face while berating someone for bad language when you
	use it yourself?  


>of all time Mr. Samit Bannerjee.  Ironically, he is himself a Bengali and
>a Hindu but he used filthy language against his Hindu Bengali brothers.
>The proofs which I have, are sufficient to get his account cancelled at 
>USC.  However, I leave this to the readers of SCP/SCI/SCB to decide what
>we should do with him.
	Oh stop whining and learn to use a KILL file.  If you need help
	send me email and I will instruct you.


>A piece of advice to all users of annonymous service, dont use very 
>abusive language or threaten others since this service is not meant for
>this.  And if you abuse this service, your actual account can be cancelled!!
	Just one question: If you are so powerful, why do you hide behind
	an anonymous account yourself? 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:43063 soc.culture.pakistan:19246
From: dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Request to Moron Incarnate (Mustafa Ibrahim).
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:22:53 GMT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


   My dear Black, Smelly, Frightened, Fucked-up Toad:

   In response to the objections to many netters who want us to stop
   posting on SCI, SCP (ask your "sister in Islam" Ms.Rukshana Merchant),
   I suggest that we take this to alt.flame. We certainly *do not* want
   to give a nasty taste to other decent USENET readers, do we ???? 

   Agar tu jaisa kutta-ka-awlad humsey takkar leney ka koshish kiya to
   hum unki mu key upar gaaddhe ka pishab daal detey hain. 

   Swooar-ke-bachchey ! Agar ladney ka dum hain to maan ley meri bath !

   The useless thing above your shoulders is called " TATTI-KA-DIBBA" in
   Urdu. What more do I have to say ????

  - deb chatterjee
  (a good samaritan)
From: dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: What is Communism ?
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:36:10 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

  Seems that there is a simultaneous barrage of missile firing between India 
  and China 8-).
  While China definitely deserves praise for progress from the days of Opium 
  till date, I simply cannot resist telling a sordid joke about Stalinism.

  Once, after Nikita Kruschev had assumed power, he met the different district
  leaders at a CPSU general meeting. Everybody there was fresh after getting
  the taste of Stalin's purge and horrors, and, thus were agitated/ excited to
  hear what the party politburo and Kruschev had to say.

  During one of the sessions, when Kruschev was pronouncing what the horrors
  of Stalinist masacarre were, a young member (seated) blurted out," ... But
  then Comrade Kruschev, why did you not stand up to Comrade Stalin when he
  was most inhumanly proceeding with his purges ?".

  The old veterean paused. "Could that gentleman identify himself please ?".
  The whole hall was transfixed and silence prevailed as if the very graveyard
  had come upon there. Remaining silent for a while, with an extremely bitter
  smile, Kruschev slowly said, " The very reason for which you have chosen to
  remain seated, explains why I did not stand up to Josef Stalin." 

  The story of Communism is always sordid. 
 
      - deb chatterjee
      (a good samaritan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Re: Caste and Vaisnavism
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:28:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.185202.6577@oracle.us.oracle.com> kbalasub@sparcle.oracle.com writes:
>In article 17681@oracorp.com, narayana@oracorp.com (K. T. Narayana) writes:
>>There was some crafty disinformation indulged in by a netter
>>on the above topic. Here is what Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan
>>has to say!
>>
>>
>>"Ramanuja preaches equality in worship and proclaims that
>> bhakthi transcends all caste inequalities. He admitted
>>the pariahs to the temple at Melkote. But it is by no means
>>clear that he was prepared for a wholesale defiance of the
>>accepted order. Out of deference to tradition, he concedes
>
>How more clearer statement you or Radha wants. It is a known fact that
>the high cast leaders always try to find holes in others ideas and theories that
>they do not like and give nasty interpretations to it. Even if Ramanuja was not
>prepared for wholesale defiance of the accepted order, (which requires lot
>of mental strength like Preiyar) atleast he felt that the accepted norm was
>bad and tried to do something about it. I used to think highly of Radhakrishnan
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>now I believe after all he was also one in the same well.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

         Dr. Radhakrishnan was a scholar of philosophy but not a 
         reformer like Sri Ramanuja or E.V. Ramasamy. 

       
      - Selva
From: dea@jec309.its.rpi.edu (Anirban De)
Subject: Riot continues in Bombay, Authorities say it is improving
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:49:35 GMT


Source: BBC World Service
Time: 10am EST (15:00 GMT) January 12,1992
Country: India

Communal violence continues in Bombay, 
Authorities say the situation is improving


**

After a night of widespread arson and looting banks, offices
and shops were closed as Hindus and Muslims clashed with
each other and with the police on the streets of Bombay.

BBC reporter Jeremy Cook reports from Bombay that the 
introduction of a fresh battalion of troops seemed to
control the situation somewhat, but with darkness the 
violence increased once again. The riot has now moved
from shantitowns to middle class suburbs.

Though it is tough to give a figure to the number of
people killed, an editor of a local newspaper believes
the figure to be higher than that during riots immediately
following the Ayodhya incident (Dec.6-9). 200 people died
that time in Bombay. Other local journalists think about
400 people have died in the recent violence.

The militant Hindu organization Shiv Sena is held 
responsible for the riots by many. Their activists 
are reported to be going from home to home looking 
for victims. 

Thousands of people, mostly Muslims, are thronging the
Victoria railway station waiting to catch the first
available train out of the city, even though that means
leaving their homes and businesses behind.


Anirban De
dea@rpi.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: krishna@simplicity.Stanford.EDU (Amala Krishna)
Subject: Yoga Class
Organization: Scientific Computing/Computational Mathematics (SCCM), Stanford U.
Distribution: pa
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:36:58 GMT


                    Starting a Yoga class soon......

            where: at the Bechtel International Center, Stanford
            when: Sunday afternoons, 3 - 4.30pm 
            cost: $65 students, $75 non-students for 10 weeks
            by whom: an excellent intructor trained in Rishikesh, India

	    If interested, please send e-mail at the earliest.
From: partha@mse.cse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Vegetarianism in TN (was Re: Cannibalism in TamilNadu)
Date: 8 Jan 93 01:07:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.48215
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering

In article <1993Jan7.225554.1943@nas.nasa.gov> raghavan@wk28.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan) writes:
>
>Even if human sacrifice and cannibalism existed in India, it must 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>have been very rare. More like leftovers from irrational fears of
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>pre-civilization days. 

I'd recommend a book named "The Stranglers". I forgot the author's
name (George Bruce?). This is about the "Thuggee" cult all over India 
for about 800 years and its ultimate eradication during the British 
regime, headed by a dedicated Englishman named "William Sleeman". 
I was horrified to read about the cult of human sacrifice so prevalent
until about 150 years ago in our sub-continent. It seems over the
years millions had been sacrificed by the thugs. In fact the English
word, "Thug" derives from the same word in Hindustani language.
Our history books have seldom made any mention of such practices.
Common people have suffered in India for ages. There is no mention
of their downtrodden situation anywhere. Kings and other protectors
turned a blind eye to the menace of the thuggee cult. Human
sacrifice, indeed existed at a very large scale almost all over
the sub-continent, victimizing the innocent travellers of the yester
years who went by foot most of the time. Our society was not
"primitive" at that time. Human sacrifice need not be a trade mark
for just primitive societies. The Aztecs and Mayans practised
both human sacrifice and ritualistic cannibalism until four centuries
ago. And their societies were otherwise quite advanced with respect
to their times. If we look at things from the modern view point,
I'd say no society on earth was "civilized". Each one has its
own barbaric tale to tell. Even now, we hear of "cleansing"
in the name of religion and language or ethinicity. And all these
societies are existant in modern times.

>Such things did exist in primitive cultures
>all over the world. 

Read the above. Such things existed even in "advanced cultures"

>At least they didn't do it the way they did in China, during the 
>cultural revolution days.

You can also recall the Khmer Rouge, The Third Reich, Serbian
aggression, Saddam Hussein's attack on the Kurds, Stalin's
revolution, Armenian massacre by the Turks, Angola, Mozambique,
Japanese "experiments" on Chinese during WW II, East Pakistan etc.. 
where human life had no worth at all. 

>(I am not trying to flame anybody, just putting forth my dumb opinions.)
>
Why should your opinions be any dumber than others'?

>-Raghavan, V.

Partha sarathy
From: bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF KERALA
Keywords: Hang loose on the Caboose !
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:03:05 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <1ilt7eINNfsr@shelley.u.washington.edu> shamshoo@shelley.u.washington.edu (Shams Hasan) writes:


>SO PLEASE GIVE KASHMIR AND KERALA THEIR RIGHTFUL INDEPENDENCE, WITHOUT FURTHER
>DELAY/ASAP/PRONTO/ON THE DOUBLE/   IT SEEMS, THAT IT IS THE ONLY CIVILIZED AND DEMOCRATIC THING TO DO !

>Best Regards,
>Shams Hasan. 

So, the virus which causes Islamic majority areas to demand political 
separation from India is spreading! Don't worry Sir, the root cause of
this disease in the Indian sub-continent, the source of this virus, 
the historical precedent of religion-based separatism, and the 
embodiment of terrorism, "the Pakistan partition of 1947" will be 
undone in the times to come very soon. Just keep watching this
bulletin board for the latest news! Don't hold your breath because
it may take a little bit longer than that.


---raj
From: mohanram@wsl.dec.com (Narayan Mohanram)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Of U.S. And Indian Patent Laws. India's Is More Progressive.
Date: 11 Jan 1993 22:27:03 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: boing.pa.dec.com

In article <1isc9vINNbih@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu) writes:
|> In article <1ifiu1INNp92@usenet.pa.dec.com> mohanram@wsl.dec.com (Narayan Mohanram) writes:
|> >Based on all the arguments of product and process here is one that works
|> >in the reverse way.
|> >
|> >Say an Indian car maker such as Maruthi figured out a way to run cars on
|> >water instead of gas. It invents a part X that can make a car engine burn
|> >water. Now GM (and Ford and Toyota...)figure out how to make this part X
|> >themselves to fit into thier models of cars. Is is right that Maruthi
|> >not get paid for this invention (under indian patent laws this would be
|> >the case).
|> >
|> I do not understand, how you can come to the conclusion that Maruti STOLE
|> from GM or Ford or Toyota. The developments are totally separate in their 
|> life-cycles. Hence the Patent Laws have to be applied separately, with  a
|> patent just valid for the process developed by each of the companies.
|> 
|> 
|> Regards,
|> Vivek.
|> 
In the example, i was trying to suggest that maruthi would be very upset
if it was not paid royalties for part X (by GM etc.) that maruthi developed.
I was not suggesting that maruthi stole from GM or ford.

regards,
narayan
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