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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Moving during kicking
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:40:09 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <Bu0usM.314@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick) writes:
>What about jump kicks as you retreat?  A reverse jump front kick
>flows pretty nicely as you are moving backwards.

	I just don't understand how you can generate power in a strike
if your body is moving away from the target...  Doesn't the power come 
from putting your hips into a strike?  If oyur hips are going in some other
direction how can you do that?



Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: haavardf@gluon.uio.no (Haavard Fosseng)
Subject: Re: Seoi Nage / Tomoe Nage
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:56:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.164422.7192@bnr.co.uk> dsr@bnr.co.uk (D.S.Riches) writes:

   The best way to practise this is the same way as the kata for, ummm, 
   damn forgot the name!!!, (De Ashi Barai?), where Uke and Tori take 3
   skipping steps before Tori sweeps Uke's trailing leg but for the
   tomoenage he performs the... tomeonage instead.


De Ashi Barai is sweeping one foot as uke takes a step forward, just before
his/her foot touches the mat. Sweeping both feet is Okuri Ashi Barai.


H}vard
From: scollins@wpi.WPI.EDU (Suppasak Collins)
Subject: More Boxing (was Can boxing skills handle kicking?)
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:44:21 GMT

While we're on this subject, I would like to add that benefits of boxing is
not in any particular technique or weaponery or the different aspects of
fighting.  The biggest benefit is the physical and mental attributes that 
are developed.  Timing, speed, power, endurance, pain tolerance (from the 
waist up) -- which are all necessary in a fighter.  The biggest drawback
in MA training is the difficulty in developing these attributes.  A person
may be able to perform XXX techniques against a step through front punch, but 
will he be able to do it from a "face-off" situation where both fighters
are moving around, fakes, and feints are employed?  To train a complete
fighter, this aspect of training must not be ignored.  Obviously, rules
and restriction will have to be in effect to prevent injuries and such.

And since we're tallking about boxing, how about Thai boxing, where punches,
kicks, knees, elbows, low kicks, and grabbing the kicking leg are allowed.  
Would a martial artist do much better against these sport competitors who
(like boxing) are limited to certain techniques?

-Art
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: pibe@sabrina.dei.unipd.it (Sandro Tognana)
Subject: info Shorin-ryu
Organization: D.E.I. Universita' di Padova, Italia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 09:41:17 GMT

Could anyone give me any info. about the Shorin-ryu Kyu do kan style ?
I am six mounth novice and my theachers are Fabian Perez and Oscar Higa.

Many thanks.
Sandro
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Getting Involved
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:04:05 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

As usual, there's something on both sides I can agree with.  If you
(or a cop or whomever) intervenes, yeah, chances are she'll come 
back tomorrow and he'll slap her around again the day after.  As
the saying goes, "the rocks in his head fit the holes in hers."  So
you're probably not going to effect anything resembling a lasting
solution.  On the other hand, you might stop him from putting her in
the hospital or the grave that night, which I suppose is better than
nothing -- you give her a chance, albeit a small one, of waking up 
and smelling the coffee before he does it again.

What gets depressing is being a captive audience for a chronic case.
Or seeing different cases at a high rate and jumping to the conclusion 
that it's all the same, as with cops.  (Probably a small jump, BUT...)  
For example, I once learned to give a blind eye and a deaf ear to an
extended family of excessively Faulknerian quasi-neighbors whose hobby it 
was to add inebriation to their mental shortcomings and scream at each
other in the street.  The worst and dumbest of them had allegedly been
taught not to indulge in stabbing of relatives or profligate gunfire in 
the street anymore; after that, despite years of regular patronage, the 
police could do surprisingly little.  What could I have accomplished?

There are times when an outsider's intervention is needed to prevent
imminent physical damage to someone who would be at an obvious 
disadvantage.  But ultimately the victim has to solve the problem --
a long and difficult process that starts with some sort of unpleasant
epiphany, proceeds to the decisive and permanent firing of the abuser,
and continues through whatever between-the-ears repair is needed to
prevent either going back or finding another one just like him.  There
is usually an extensive emotional morass, of which giving or accepting
abuse is just a small part.

Without ALL of these things, the problem will never end.  And if she
wuvs 'im and turns upon YOU for intervening, well, then, it's time to
back out of there with a sort of sickly smile on your face and wipe 
two more names off the list of brothers whose keeper you are.

Ain't people wunnerful?

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
From: roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: What is "Index Over Fist"
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:19:37 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <memo.596654@cix.compulink.co.uk> bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>
>Start from an open hand and fold all fingers (except the index finger
>and thumb) just as you would in a normal fist.
>Then fold your index finger over so that it runs diagonally over the
>top of the middle finger (pointing back down your arm). 
>Now fold your thumb over the index finger.
>
>
>The tip of the index finger ends up near the base of the thumb, and
>the tip of the thumb ends up just on the middle finger.
>
>Bill Burgar.

A GIANT light bulb just went on over my head.  Recently I have
been working on assembling facts to back up my "Who cares
what MA you practice they are all the same Theory".  Mainly I
have been focusing on the fact that old ju-jutsu systems have
"no-sword" techniques and these techniques are the foundation
of modern empty hand do forms (Japanese systems are my area of
expertise).

I found that as I followed Mr. Burgar's description through on
how to properly form the "index finger over fist" that it was 
identical to how to properly hold a sword or shinai.  I firmly 
believe this is the where it came from and that the newer style
does much to help save you thumb.  I know that the newer style
fist is also formed as the index over sytle but the tension and
gripping required are more subtle and harder to do correctly.  
In this case safety has become more important than original form.

I would like to see Mr. Burgar's article on the fist.  
-- 
Robert Stroud
Obukan Kendo Club
Portland Oregon USA
roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn)
Subject: Re: Headlock escape for non-vampires (was Re: Biting in the MA's?)
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 18:05:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.192328.1945@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> bba@donuts3 (Binayak Banerjee) writes:
>[ Lots of semi-lethal advice deleted ]
>
>The times that I was placed in a headlock was to give me a Nugy (sp?).
>Lethal methods such as poking out the eye, were socially unacceptable.
>What worked for me was to reach down, grab the hem of the guys
>trousers, and jerk sharply upwards.  Jerk would be deposited on the
>seat of his pants.  If you did this rapidly, he probably would have no
>idea as to what happened, thus raising your status among the illiterati
>who (in those days) would hang around a grade for several years --
>making life miserable for those who had the audacity to spend only 1
>year (or less) per grade.

Gee, babe, as long as you were fooling with playground stuff, which
didn't you grab the *waistband* of his trousers and jerk sharply
*downwards*, thereby pantsing the bugger?

Bet that would have raised your status immensely.

;-)

-- 
Peter Hahn           |hahn@network.com|"...In Peking, he told me, there lived a
7600 Boone Ave. N    |+1 612 424-4888 |famous boxer who dropped down from three
Brooklyn Park, MN USA|                |stories onto an interior courtyard
55428                |                |without making a sound when he landed."
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: cpgrb@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Graeme Bennett)
Subject: Re: Boxing to anyone (was Re: Can boxing skills hand kicking?)
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 15:28:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.050001.20276@uwm.edu> ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes:

>>And in a situation where they have no gloves on, they are going to
>>damage their hands and wrists.  e.g Mike Tyson ...
>
>Nope.  In the ring they wear gloves to protect the other person when
>they are getting hit.  Out of the ring, strike gloves or even
>tape is used to help keep from scraping the knuckles and bloodying them
>on the bag.  Perhaps you've never worked with strikegloves on a bag
>or even another opponent?  Perhaps you haven't seen that they don't

Well, yes, actually.  Gloves and bag cushion the blow quite a bit and you can
have your hand at angle to your wrist and not damage it when doing hard
blows.  One thing that has always worried me about boxing is the way
that they hold their fists at angle.  This can lead to an easy fracture
against hard objects (such as a skull) if the person has substantial
punching power, which I admit boxers do by way of their training
methods. Maybe you can correct me on this.

>lend any support when hitting the bag?  Perhaps you've never seen
>that you still need proper wrist alignment and conditioned hands
>otherwise you can break your knuckles or wrists even on a heavy bag?
>Maybe you are also forgeting that gloves are a fairly recent
>invention (turn of the century) and that before that all Boxing
>matches were bare knuckle?  

>that don't align the wrist at all.  So they train to actually be
>able to hit hard without something supporting the wrist.  But of
>course you must know this from your "studies".

Don't you know that Tyson broke his wrist when he assaulted that guy a few 
years back ?  Maybe I shouldn't take him as a representative of his
profession however.

[more stuff deleted]

>A complete and serious martial artist will look to all that there
>is available to enhance their skills.  Boxing fills in some of the
>void left by many eastern martial arts.  Together they become a
>whole.  The yin and the yang.

I do agree that it is important for these practitioners to study boxing 
in order to be better prepared for an attack by a boxer.  Also, I 
think that they should be aware of certain weaknesses they have when fighting 
a boxer, and should learn strategies to overcome them.

You seem to be fairly presumptuous in evaluating my knowledge of boxing
and your entire argument is based on that evaluation. I don't want to go
into a 'This is how good I am so there' competition. I really try to
avoid that.   

I still feel that boxing is a fairly crude form of fighting, when
compared to martial arts (Eastern).  I can't imagine a boxer developing
a sense of haragei or 'Getsumei no michi'.  A big weakness of boxing seems
to me to be the lack of mental emphasis.  But perhaps it has its
equivalents.

Anyway, my opinions, 
Ciao,

-- 
Graeme Bennett, Honours Student.     >>> graeme@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au <<<
James Cook University of North Queensland. 
--  
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Can boxing skills handle kicking ?
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:27:45 GMT

In article <3562@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
}In article <1992Aug31.142950.6242@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
}>there was something about a foot zipping at his face that seemed to keep
}>him back.
}
}	Why should a foot be any different than a hand ?

Range.  My leg was longer than his arm, and it seemed to bother him.


Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn)
Subject: Re: Different Karate Fists
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 18:09:28 GMT

In article <10408@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:
>In article <memo.587400@cix.compulink.co.uk> bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>>to mean "to the face". What we should really be thinking is that
>>jodan means choose a target above the shoulders. Certainly more
>
>Well, here's something I picked up at a class I attended last month by
>Yoichi Kazuma Sensei...
>
>He said not to punch to the head, because the head can be moved (hmmm,
>sound faililar Todd??), turned, bobbed, whatever to slip or minimize the
>impact. He also mentioned that he didn't enjoy tearing up his hands on
>teeth and skull. 
>
>His method was to punch with a standing fist to the throat, and turn it
>over and twist right as you made impact. He said that this way, the
>opponent could move their head all they wanted, the punch was still on
>target. 

It seems that a fair number of boxing coaches teach pretty much this
same technique as well.  Just let one fly at the creep's upper chest.
Maybe it hits, maybe it doesn't.  And maybe he ducks into it.

Boxing generally isn't a real precise art...

-- 
Peter Hahn           |hahn@network.com|"...In Peking, he told me, there lived a
7600 Boone Ave. N    |+1 612 424-4888 |famous boxer who dropped down from three
Brooklyn Park, MN USA|                |stories onto an interior courtyard
55428                |                |without making a sound when he landed."
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch)
Subject: Seeking Wing Chun
Originator: jmcocker@c00004-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:28:37 GMT


Well, not just Wing Chun, but Tai Chi also.  I guess I'm mainly interested in
developing my internal power, and studying an art which has more emphasis on
close-in fighting.  I'm in Raleigh, NC, and I've been able to find just one
person who teaches Tai Chi.  His name is Joe Caballero, and he teaches at the
Asian Cultural Center.

	I have not yet visited this Center, but I plan to.  I understand from
talking with whoever was manning the phone the other day that the A.C.C. is not
really a school in the sense of having connections with the teachers.  I.E., 
the teachers (apparently there are quite a few) pay some sort of fee to hold
classes at the Center.  The phone-lady I spoke to did say it was "primarily an
Aikido dojo", but that TKD, Judo, and Tai Chi were taught as well.

	So, does anyone on the net have any leads on where I could get good
Wing Chun instruction?  Or Tai Chi, for that matter.  Ideally, I would like to
find a non-commercial instructor who teaches in order to spread knowledge to
worthy students (maybe I'm being too idealistic here).  Anybody out there have
some advice?  E-mail any replies; I will send summaries to any interested
netters.

Mitch --------------------------> jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu
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From: mallon@hsi.com (Dan Mallon-Kraft)
Subject: Kids in Judo
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:04:19 GMT

I'm going to be teaching Judo to children this year for the first time.
Major excitement!!  However, the youngest I've ever taught before was 14.
I went to my niece's and nephew's TKD class to get some ideas and I did.
I think the instructor showed some exercises and made some of the remarks
he did for my benefit.  He was a really great guy.  If anyone's looking
for a TKD studio near Bridgeport CT, I can recommend one!

However, I was wondering if I could add to my little arsenal of things
to do (exercises that are fun, but beneficial; games; judo specific games)
so that when I decide to have fun with them, I have more than just
a couple of ideas.

I hope this isn't too broad a question, but I guess I won't have specific
questions until I've started  :-)

Thanks,
Dan
-- 
 Dan Mallon-Kraft		     mallon@hsi.com
 3M Health Information Systems	     {uunet,yale}!hsi!mallon 	    
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From: sxjwg@orca.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.misc,rec.arts.dance,misc.wanted,misc.misc,alt.personals.misc
Subject: COUNTRY WESTERN DANCE INSTRUCTORS WANTED FOR FESTIVAL
Date: 29 Aug 92 00:19:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: orca.1992Aug28.211947.1
Organization: University of Alaska

LAST UPDATE: 17 JUN 92                                     

                                   WANTED:

                      Country Western Dance Instructors
                                   for the
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The FNCWDF is seeking one country western dance instructor COUPLE to serve
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Aside from the above instructors will recieve NO compensation for their
participation.

The Festival will take place MARCH 5, 6 & 7, 1993 in FAIRBANKS, ALASKA.
Instructors should be prepared to teach Beginner thru Advanced dances.
This is not a square dancing event.

WE ARE ACTIVE SEEKING INSTRUCTORS NOW!

If you are interested write ASAP!!!

Previous Guest instructors.

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Interested parties should write to:

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ATTN:  Guest Instructors
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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: Ken_Ziolkowski@transarc.com
Subject: How much crimp is enough?
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:31:34 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


  After loading nothing but handgun cartridges
for the last few years I am starting to load
bottleneck rifle cartridges for the first time
and need to crimp them.

  * This is for  a .35 Remington/Marlin 336

  The first few dummy rounds (empty case, bullet,
no primer) had too much and the necks were pretty
crushed, a few more had no crimp at all. After a
little more adjusting, I think I have the die set
right.

  But how much crimp is enough?

Ken
From: ccastmm@prism.gatech.edu (Mike Marler)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: bear joke III
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:25:24 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


In <1992Aug24.085050.26941@doug.cae.wisc.edu> binnie@aclcb.purdue.edu (Al Binnie) writes:

>Visitor: I've heard it's hard to tell grizzlies from big brown bears. How can 
>         you tell the difference between them?  

Different punch line:  Pick up a rock and throw it at the bear.  If it
runs away, then it is a brown bear.  If it comes toward you, then it is
a Grizzly.

-- 

Mike Marler                        | "Saving every nickel to spend on my
Internet: ccastmm@prism.gatech.edu |  my next set of thrills..." -somebody
Disclaimer: These views are not and should not be viewed as those of OIT.
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: eden@4ccvw70.scg.hac.com (Jerry Eden)
Subject: Re: Hunting in California
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:55:52 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

"Ditto for me too Bill."

JerDOG
From: motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: A deal on Archery tackle? and a look from the other side
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:24:26 GMT
Organization: AT&T
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Aug26.092524.25511@doug.cae.wisc.edu> X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.070103.11393@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
>    motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto) writes:
> 
>>I picked him for a partner just the way he is.  If your partner doesn't
>>support you in pursuing your own pasttimes, then you chose the wrong
>>partner.
> 
>Gee, I thought I could only get nagged at home!   ;-)  ;-)

Well, after my previous statement on the importance of self-defense
for women, do you really expect me not to counter a verbal assault on wives?

%)  So, how come it's nagging if I say it but ribbing if it comes from
one of the guys?  %)

Mary Otto
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: news@genrad.com
Subject: Re: Pa. Bucks only bow season/turkey season
Organization: GenRad, Inc.
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:55:31 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Sep1.061918.26305@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead) writes:

>Do bowhunters after deer also have to wear blaze during this period?
>
>
>Ken Whitehead
>

Yes!