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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:29:00 EST
From:         MAWELLS@GALLUA.BITNET
Subject:      Narcan

Extreme caution should be taken when using narcan.  If your protocol permits
you to use it, only give enough for respirations to return to somewhat normal
Situation in Balti. area,  --- medic administered narcan rather quickly (was
not careful) and the patient became extremely violent.  Both medics were
seriously injuried (both are now on medical retirement).  The patient also
trashed the ambulance.  I don't mean just messed things up.  The ambulance
is now in that "big city in the sky", inside and believe it or not the outside
was torn apart.

I have heard if a patient "comes down" to quickly, he/she can go into shock
then into cardiac arrest but I have not seen it happen.

BTW - whoever had the idea to start this network THANKS.  I have been on it
for about 2 months.  Some of the things are useless, stupid, etc. but much
has been very interesting.

Just one question.  I have been thinking about making a newsletter for my
station using info gathered here.  Is there any objection to this or is it
contrary to network "protocol".

Thanks all.

Mary Ann
From: shibumi@turbo.bio.net (Kenton A. Hoover)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Cruisers parking slanted
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:05:43 GMT
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Organization: GenBank Computing Resource for Mol. Biology

THe cruisers park slanted to protect themselves from traffic coming from
behind.  You might note that cruisers will park tail out more often than
head out.  Night car stops rely on 'dazzle' to protect themselves.  You
turn on ALL the lights, and aim your spots at the mirrors.  Its hard
for bad guys in the stopped car to see a target to shoot at with all those
lights on.

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From:         Dylan Kaufman <morgan@CHAOS.CS.BRANDEIS.EDU>
Subject:      EMSREVU
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KEN writes:
->   I know that this is old news, but the emsrevu prog. has been inserted into
->dartvax.dartmouth.edu again in the /pub/dropoff dir as emsrevu2.zip.  Tell me
->if it works!
->
Has anyone managed to get it to work?



-<>Dylan<>-                     MA EMT-M, CA EMT-1A, BEMCo 107
Dylan Kaufman 			Major in Computer Science
morgan@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu	Brandeis University, Waltham, MA
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:18:00 EST
From:         BABY <12CLINCH@CUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: NARCAN

In response to Kirk Smith's post regarding NOT using Narcan...
  I've worked quite a few situations, none of which we saw the pills or the
 needle, but used Narcan and mysteriously enough, if worked...
(this is D.C., go figure... yes I'm being sarcastic)
    But in the instances that you chose not to try something like Narcan
or Glucose, you could be wasting valuable manpower!!!!
      both working in the field and in the hospital, I know that every hand is
very much needed for some job!!! Why tie someone up bagging when all you
really need is a little medicine....wasn't that what Paramedicine was
created for????   Don't mean to flame, but let's be realistic.

Just my $.02

Beth Clinch
NYS EMT-FF
RN2B... sooner than you can imagine!!!!!!
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:44:00 EST
From:         JA <H2M@CRNLVAX5.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: keys for FD auto-alarms

From: "Stephen A. Chinatti" <chinatti@PHOENIX.PRINCETON.EDU>
Subject: keys for FD auto-alarms

<I have a question for any of the firefighters (or anyone else who might know)
<about something I have heard on one of the FD's freqs near my home.  Sometimes
<then an automatic alarm goes out and the district chief arrives, he asks the
<dispatcher to "release key 1234" or other number, and then I hear a rapid
<sequence of DTMF tones over the dispatch freq.  I assume that the district
<chief's cars must have some sort of system where they possess keys for the
<major buildings which have automatic alarms, and to enter the building, they
<must have the dispatcher send the appropriate series of DTMF tones to
<physically get access to the key to enter the building.  Is this the correct
<assumption?  Does anyone else use/know of such a system?  It seems like a great
<idea, especially over having a keyholder (from the company/building) respond
<to the scene while the FD waits, unable to gain access (which my hometown FD
<does).  Also, with the DTMF protection, it prohibits someone from sneaking up
<to the chief's car & grabbing the keys during a true incident where the chief
<is occupied.

This is a correct assumption.  Here in Ithaca the system goes by the name
Knox.  The property owners purchase and maintain a Knox box for the keys and
the fire department then has access to the keys through a radio operated lock
that must be activated by dispatch.  At least that's what Dan Maas (company
captain) told me..... hopefully if I got this wrong, he'll post and correct me
.......   :)

later.. justin
               _____        |Justin 'Ja' Norfleet       117 Stewart Avenue
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From:         Firemen -- Dressed for Sucess!!! <MICHAEL@UNTVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      alfa pagers

About those pagers -- Dallas FD has issued them to all chief's drivers/aides.
They are really nice because when any box alarm or hazzmat is issued, it shows
which one, the address and who is answering before the guy on the radio can
(chiefs are now getting MDT's and this is really nice in conjunction with the
pagers).  Also, the pagers are nice at a multi-alarm because instead of wasting
radio time asking for a rundown of who is coming, the chiefs' aide can just
read the pager.  Also -- it lets them know who is out of service.  Fire
stations all have computers, and so do engine companies (ambulances are coming
later), and can send messgaes to the chief's pager (if he's away from his car,
he cant read the mdt, so the pager is quicker and 'safer' than radio...)

Dallas- is still not trunked (OCT this year, hopefully) so radio is sometimes
really backed up (1 freq fire, 1 ems, 1 dispatch)...

Anyway, the pagers are nice!

my 44 pesos worth (at 2200 pesos per dollar!)...

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From:         TRAUMA JUNKIE <JAT8419@RITVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: LIGHTS

Youy are required to remove or coover your lightbar if you go into another
state with different color codes.  Like from NY into NJ
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From: terrya@MCES.MsState.Edu (Terry Arnsdorff)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Lights
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:27:32 GMT
Organization: Mississippi Cooperative Extension Service

I am looking for a good source for various lights for apparatus.  I cannot 
seem to find anything except Sho-Mes and Light bars.  I am looking for 
different types of flush/semi-flush mount strobes.

Any suggestions?

Terry
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Date: Wed,  8 Apr 1992 00:21:31 -0400 
From: Ian J Gardner <ig00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: LIGHTS

Not to start a flame war here, but I've noticed over the progression of
this thread that a recurring theme has popped up:

"If only people would pull over."  "If only they had to pull over.", etc.

I'm sorry (well, not really), but I don't go for that.  These are
courtesy lights.  In no way does any state (as far as my knowledge goes)
allow vehicles running with lights of this system to disobey traffic
laws.  Even under the current system, I've seen PLENTY of people think
it was their God-given right to speed/run thru light/etc.

Doesn't that shock you?  These vehicles have NO audible warning system. 
They have no guarantee of an effective "emegency lighting capacity"
(that is, w/o front, rear and side lights/strobes/etc - you aren't
covered.)  Basically, these POV's are trying to be First Response
vehicles w/o the hardware.  (Reading some of your posts, I can tell some
of you run like this).  A simple dashlight doesn't even come close to
providing adequate lighting.  Furthermore, these drivers don't
necessarily even require TRAINING!!


Basically, a law mandating someone to pull over will only result in:
careless and reckless driving, accidental deaths, bad PR for EMS, etc.

Leave it the way it stands.  That's safest, unless you're going to run
full LAS, and that's a different story...

Yeah, try education.  But, other than that - you'll create more problems...

Ian Gardner
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From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Communication Network
Date: 12 Apr 92 14:41:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: halcyon.2aH5iB4w165w
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service

avon@emx.utexas.edu (Mike Ward) writes:

> SOP for the network.  We will then put the service into operation.  After
> the system is in and working, the Texas Dept. of Health EMS Dept. would like
> to use our system as a blueprint for a state wide system.

> Given the above, anyone have anything similar or suggestions (other than 
> shooting my self in the head to avoid the pain of dealing with govenments).
> I am intrested in hearing on both technical and operational ideas/comments.

If I remember, Texas has an FCC-approved 800mHz trunking plan.  You might
contact your local APCO chapter and see what they have to offer.  On the
surface, your committee and the parent project sound like bureaucracy
in motion.  I think all the groundwork's been in place for this type of
thing for the past year.
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From:         "Give Way... Give Life... YIELD!" <STUECRWN@EKU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CODE3

The narrator was none other than Buck Rodgers himself. I thought it was
OK. Nothing like cops though. The show did teach me two things. 1: Bring my
own trauma bag if  I go to Honolulu. And 2: If I do go, don't say in a hotel
above the 3rd floor cause that fire dept. was pathetic!

Bob Corwin
From: hwt@bwdlh490.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Daytime Running Lights (was Re: Mistake )
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:31:26 GMT
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Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Apr6.165531.5382@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>,
amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (anmar mirza) writes:
|>serves me right, Greyhound did a study and it was found that vehicles
|>operating with their headlights on during the day were X% less likely

Several studies.  Daytime running lights are mandatory for 1991 and
later models in Canada and have been used by police for over ten years. 
There are still some problems being worked out though.  Main one IMHO is
people forgetting to go to full headlights from reduced setting on some
models.  I rented a GM Sprint/Firefly Suzuki whatsit that had a green
light on the dashboard that indicated daytime running lights; it went
off when real headlights were turned on.  Seems to work and make sense
here, BTW - visibility of grey/silver cars, etc.
                    

  Henry Troup - HWT@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 14:52:59 -0400
From:         KEN <KAK6279@RITVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Those nifty pagers.

        I have been told that National Ambulance (Rochester City) has switched
to AlfaNumeric pagers recently.  I would really like to know if anyone has an
opinion about this.  I know that there are a few National employees on the net.
BTW - I don't know exactly how valid this is.

                                                FireMAN
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From:         MICHAEL@UNTVAX.BITNET
Subject:      HMIX system

does anyone know if the HMIX system from FEMA is available on the internet?
Haz Mat Info Xchange, from Fed Emerg Man Agency...

PLEASE RESPOND!!!!

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From:         "Give Way... Give Life... YIELD!" <STUECRWN@EKU.BITNET>
Subject:      In response about NYEMTs getting Red lights and sirens

   I wrote someone at the NYS Dept. of Health in Albany about the rumor of
EMT's getting Red light privilages. This is what he told me:
:)
:) To: STUECRWN--EKU
:)
:) From: Mike Gilbertson
:) SUBJECT: emergency lights
:)
:) There is absolutely NO truth to the idea that we are considering allowing
:) EMTs to have red lights.  We think it is dangerous, unnecessary, bad policy,
:) etc.  There is a provision in our Vehicle and Traffic law that allows
:) an 'emergency ambulance response vehicle' (fly car) 'owned or operated'
:) by an ambulance service to have lights/sirens.  The Dept Motor Vehicles
:) people interpret this to mean an amb. service can authorize a private
:) vehicle to have lights/siren.  We take the opposite position - that the
:) law requires that the vehicle be registered to the service.  I am on
:) record as being willing to testify as an expert witness for free in any
:) case in which a private vehicle with lights and sirens injures someone,
:) particularly if the driver has not had proper training in emergency
:) driving (not EVOC, which teaches police persuit techniques completely
:) inappropriate for EMS).
:)
:) Sorry if I sound too preachy on this, but it is one of my hot buttons.
:)
:) PROFS: MEG04/PHONE: 518-474-0911/MAIL: 74 State Street, Albany

   He wrote me again and He said that he doesn't feel anyone should run Lights
and sirens without first taking EVOC.
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From: tcm@moscom.UUCP (Tom Maszerowski)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Emerg lights.
Keywords: Lights NY POV
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:07:57 GMT
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Ken Kirchoff writes:
>        I think that the idea of putting a law into effect won't change
>response very much at all.  People simply either want to pull over for you or
>they won't.  How many of you have been riding in a firetruck or ambulance
>directly behind or beside someone for over half a mile without any luck in
>getting them to pull over?

 I can only agree. Ken's department is our "Big Brother to the south"
and I've seen similar incidents over the years. Also, I was Assistant
Chief for five years, so I had the opportunity to have red lights and
siren in my POV. I've actually had more courtesy extended to me with by
dash-mounted Whelen Responder than when I had lights and siren ( perhaps
it's less  intimidating ). I think that the people who actually live in
my district would be aware of the job that the volunteers are doing, but
I would expect that the vast majority of people in cars at any given
time are from somewhere else. In any case, maintaining a professional
manner, whether in your POV responding to the station, or in a
department vehicle, will go a lot farther in advancing our cause than
any legislation could. It doesn't matter how long it would have taken
to get to the station if you don't arrive!




-- 
Tom Maszerowski    tcm@moscom.com   
                   {rit,tropix,ur-valhalla}!moscom!tcm
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 08:34:14 EDT
From:         Gary Kendall <KENDALLG@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Public Service Freq.s Wanted for Charlotte, NC

Can anyone recommend some interesting police/fire/EMS freq.s for the Charlotte
area?  I'm heading down there at the end of the month on a business trip and I
plan to take my scanner with me.

Any info would be appreciated.  Thanks!

--gary  NREMT-P
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From:         DAVID RUSSELL <RUSSELLD@OSHKOSHW.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: 911 t's

Date sent:  15-APR-1992 18:05:16

Here you go:

Call Gall's 1-800-477-7766

The number of the shirt is:
        RID04 (M-XL)  $11.95
        RID04X (XXL)  $13.95

-David

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From:         MICHAEL@UNTVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: NARCAN

>I'm curious as to what drugs Narcan can affect (such as Opiates). From what
>I've heard, it doesn't work on alcohol, but it is administered to pts who
>have been drinking. How does the stuff work anyway and how effective is it?
>
>Manny Chen
>NREMT-A, CPR - Instructor  American Red Cross
>University Of Illinois @ Urbana - Champaign
>Illini Emergency Medical Services









>"I know CPR, can I help"
>"I gotta VCR, can I watch"









Well -- NARCAN workson heroin for sure...  I've seen it done!
I like the CPR/VCR stuff!

















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