HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kathyb@wrq.com (Kathy Boscole)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc
Subject: Zmodem & Compuserve-B protocol specs ?
Date: 21 Nov 92 02:44:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov21.024438.19205
Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn, Inc., Seattle, WA


Does anyone know where I can find specs on Zmodem and Compuserve Quick B
file transfer protocols ?

Thanks,

Kathy Boscole
kathyb@wrq.com
-- 
Kathy Boscole
Work(voice): (206) 726-7359
kathyb@wrq.com
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc
From: mwr@eng.tridom.com (Mark Reardon)
Subject: Re: NetBEUI and Routing
Reply-To: mwr@eng.tridom.com (Mark Reardon)
Organization: AT&T Tridom; Marietta, Georgia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:48:01 GMT

In article <1e8kpoINN469@george.ukpoit.co.uk>, ian@ukpoit.co.uk (Ian Spare) writes:
|> 
|> It is my understanding that the NetBEUI protocol is non-routable I have 
|> been told ( at a rumour level !! ) that it is intended to make it a routable
|> protocol, would anyone care to comment on this ??
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> Ian Spare , iT , Barker Lane , CHESTERFIELD , DERBYS , S40 1DY , GREAT BRITAIN
|> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|>       iT - The Information Technology Business Of The Post Office
|> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  In Tune With Technology ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In NetBEUI there is not a routing layer.  Instead each host is refered
to by its MAC layer address.  Because of this there is the ability to
use a MAC level bridge to internetwork two or more lans together.  In
fact this works quite well.  On token ring it also uses MAC level
source routing which some people consider routing even though it is
not at the network layer of the OSI model.

I also have heard talk of adding a network layer but do not know
if anything is available yet nor am I convinced that it is needed.

-- 
Mark

---------------------------------------------------------------------
| Mark Reardon           |  AT&T Tridom                             |
| mwr@eng.tridom.com     |  840 Franklin Court                      |
|                        |  Marietta, GA 30067                      |
---------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Xref: sparky comp.protocols.misc:840 comp.mail.uucp:2079 comp.unix.xenix.sco:3332
From: flanagan@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Dick Flanagan)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc,comp.mail.uucp,comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: uucp 'f' protocol for SCO XENIX
Keywords: uucp xenix protocol
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:21:39 GMT
Reply-To: flanagan@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Dick Flanagan)
Followup-To: comp.mail.uucp
Originator: flanagan@niagara

In <2795@tymix.Tymnet.COM> I wrote:

>My configuration:  SCO XENIX/386 2.3.3 using Hayes SM2400 on residential
>                   telephone line.
>
>A potential mail site needs to connect to me via an outdial mechanism
>that strips the eight bit.  uucp 'g' protocol obviously won't work.
>However, 'f' protocol which apparently is a 7-bit protocol does not 
>appear to be supported by SCO XENIX/386 2.3.3.  Is there a solution?
>Is there a f-protocol add-on for SCO XENIX?  Is there some other fix
>we are overlooking?
>
>Please reply via e-mail and I will post a summary of responses.

I received responses from the following people:

	jlaiho@ichaos.nullnet.fi (Juha Laiho)
	ian@airs.com (Ian Lance Taylor)
	irscscm!bogart!phzzzt!mfaurot@next32.isnet.com (Michael Faurot)
	chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)

They all recommended I look into the Taylor uucp implementation which 
should be portable to a XENIX/386 platform and which does support the
'f' protocol.  My thanks to all of these folks for their assistance.

--Dick Flanagan
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: instruct@tigger.jvnc.net (Instructional Systems)
Subject: Looking for a few fine folks
Summary: Job offer for two consulting positions
Originator: instruct@tigger.jvnc.net
Keywords: Job offer, communications, hardware design, mac
Organization: JvNCnet
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:29:43 GMT



			J  O  B    O  F  F  E  R  !


	My company is looking for consultants on two short- to medium-
term projects.  One is the modification of a simple PC communications 
program to work with Mac communications hardware.  The other is consult-
ation on the development of a card to control a VCR from a PC.  Applicants
should live somewhere in the (much) Greater New York Metropolitan area.
Applicants for the first project should have extensive systems programming
experience, have written a communications program for the Mac or PC, and be 
experienced in programming for interrupt-based control systems.  Applicants
for the second project should have a background in video and computer
hardware, have experience in board design, and a good working knowledge
of the available industry standards.

	Please send a resume to instruct@jvnc.tigger.net.  Include
a cover letter describing your current availablity.  We expect to have both
projects very much underway well within a month.  I can also be reached
by phone, in a limited fashion, at 1-800-722-0148.  


				Sincerely,


				Martin Kaminer
				Applications Developer
				Instructional Systems, Inc.
From: ian@ukpoit.co.uk (Ian Spare)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc
Subject: NetBEUI and Routing
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:12:24 GMT
Organization: iT - The Information Technology Business Of The Post Office
NNTP-Posting-Host: george.ukpoit.co.uk


It is my understanding that the NetBEUI protocol is non-routable I have 
been told ( at a rumour level !! ) that it is intended to make it a routable
protocol, would anyone care to comment on this ??


-- 
Ian Spare , iT , Barker Lane , CHESTERFIELD , DERBYS , S40 1DY , GREAT BRITAIN
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      iT - The Information Technology Business Of The Post Office
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  In Tune With Technology ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc
From: peter@anl433.uucp (Peter Resele)
Subject: Point-to-multipoint protocol wanted
Organization: Technical University of Graz, Austria
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 18:29:22 GMT

Hi there,

Does anybody know a network protocol that supports point-to-multipoint
communications? (i.e. multicast). As far as I know TCP/IP it does not
support this. If you want to send some information to n destinations, you
have to open one connection for each of them. How about other protocols?
(SNA, DECnet, Novell, ...) Are there any experimental protocols, de-facto
standards etc. for this task? It seems very strange to me that one never
hears about this issue, for e.g. satellites are a natural broadcast medium.


Thank you very much for your responses

Please e-mail to: peter@piassun1.joanneum.ac.at
I will summarize for the net.

Peter 
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc
From: phil@BofA.com (Phil Schlesinger)
Subject: Re: NetBEUI and Routing
Organization: Bank of America, Capital Products, RMTG #5906
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 21:53:26 GMT

In article <1e8kpoINN469@george.ukpoit.co.uk> ian@ukpoit.co.uk (Ian Spare) writes:
>
>It is my understanding that the NetBEUI protocol is non-routable I have 
>been told ( at a rumour level !! ) that it is intended to make it a routable
>protocol, would anyone care to comment on this ??
>
>
>-- 
>Ian Spare , iT , Barker Lane , CHESTERFIELD , DERBYS , S40 1DY , GREAT BRITAIN
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>      iT - The Information Technology Business Of The Post Office
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  In Tune With Technology ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

NetBEUI is a very very confused term; usually meant to describe 
the LAN protocol underlying the IBM/Microsoft NetBIOS communication
verb API. 

That NetBEUI employs an addressing mechanism which identifies a
communication node as a MAC address (analogous to UAA Ethernet address
or Token Ring Adapter number) and a SAP (Service Access Point) within 
that MAC.

While there is no information in the address tuple to indicate the
WAN or "IP" path to the destination LAN, this problem may be solved in
other ways ... so it kind of depends on what you mean by
"non routable" :-)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc
From: tom@piassun1.joanneum.ac.at (Tom Leitner)
Subject: socket() library on VMS: is it available ?
Originator: tom@piassun1
Organization: Joanneum Research, Graz, Austria
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 11:11:19 GMT

Hi,

I plan to write a client/server application which is supposed to be portable
across various platforms. I know that there are socket libraries for many
operating systems (OS/2, DOS, Unix etc.). 

Now for my question: Is there a socket library for VAX/VMS as well ?

Does the POSIX standard include the socket lib ?

Thanks for any information in advance either here or by e-mail to:

Tom Leitner, tom@piassun1.joanneum.ac.at

Regards from Austria -- TOM
From: Douglas Whaite <doug@coombs.nu.edu.au>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Multigate Stats
Date: 21 Nov 1992 08:30:36 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.78.56
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1

I work at one of the research schools of ANU. We have 5 multigates and 18
localtalk nets with about 500 nodes of one kind or another (IBMs, macs,
laserwriters etc) we run cap on several unix boxes and have print
spooling, mailing and all the usual junk (IBMs are a pain :-().

The problem is that the multigates are hard to interrogate. I use mgstats
which sometime work and mgcmd which works for some bits. I want to
reconfigure the multigates on the fly but it seems theses boxes have to
be halted for this, so no joy here. (I have to lug my portable all over
the place). Is this true?

I can live with this, but what I dearly want is a way to get the error
stats for individual localtalk nets. Presently I use peek (By the way it
dosnt work on my powerbook 170 - any ieas out there?) So I was wondering
if the multiagtes can send the CRC, overrun and timeout errors to the
debug host?

Does tom still hang out here or is there a better place to mail to?

thx in advance doug
From: winders@aux.support.apple.com (Scott Winders)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: CLAIM: Seed Routers are not Nodes
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:22:57 GMT
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <chris.722141659@ph-meter.beckman.uiuc.edu>,
chris@ph-meter.beckman.uiuc.edu (Chris Gressley) wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> The manufacturer of our routers has made a very strange claim
> concerning their implementation of AppleTalk. I think I can cite the
> passages in Inside AppleTalk which show that they are just implementing
> this incorrectly, but I could use a direct quote from a Tech Note or
> Inside AppleTalk, or an answer from an Apple person, which would show
> definitively that they are wrong, or alternatively that I am wrong and
> the router folks are correct.
> 
> The folks who make our routers make the following two claims:
> 
> 1. A "router" is not a "node". Nodes and routers are distinct sorts of
> things.
> 
> 2. Since a router is not a node, if a router is a seed router, it need
> not dynamically acquire a node ID but can instead have one statically
> assigned, since a seed router has statically assigned port descriptor
> information.
> 
> I am trying to configure the backbone network that the routers share
> with the campus backbone so that all of the routers are seed routers.
> Because of this, two of my routers are trying to use identical node
> IDs, which all in all is a very bad thing.
> 
> Am I totally confused, or is it true that:
> 
> (a) A router is in fact a node.
> 
> (b) Because a router is a node, it should follow the rules for node
> number acquisition.
> 
> Any authoritative source on this would be greatly appreciated.
> 

1. AppleTalk routers are indeed nodes. They have an AppleTalk network
number and a node ID associated with them for each port. The glossary
of "Inside AppleTalk, Second Edition" says that a node is "a data-link
addressable entity on a network" and that an internet router is "an
intelligent node that connects AppleTalk networks".  Based on this, it
is safe to say that a router is a node.

2. All AppleTalk nodes need to aquire their network address dynamically.
There are no if, ands, or butts on this particular question. If the
network addresses are assigned statically, you may have the problem you
describe with your two seed routers.

Scott Winders
winders@aux.support.apple.com

"My opinions are my own, not my employer's"
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel)
Subject: Please help with atalkad 1.25
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:11:29 GMT

I can't seem to find anyone who knows how to set up this version.
All I need to do is tell a gatorbox how to find cap servers on a different
subnet.

Please help if you can.

Thanks,
Rich
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: jeffl@lab240a.ee.unsw.edu.au (jeff lee)
Subject: Re: Where to find CAP
Organization: Systems & Control, UNSW
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:11:18 GMT

In article <01GQT3COO9XEA3HTBD@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU> DOWNING@ACFCLUSTER.NYU.EDU ("Troy Downing 212.998.5765") writes:
>I'm looking for a complete and current CAP package. Any advice as to 
>where and how I can obtain this would be appreciated.

>Thanks!

>Troy Downing
>downing@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU

It is available on anonymous ftp server at munnari.oz.au

	- Jeff Lee (J.Lee@unsw.edu.au)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: Harley Myler <hrm@engr.ucf.edu>
Subject: Re: MacTCP over Async Appletalk
X-Xxdate: Tue, 17 Nov 92 23:00:53 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Central Florida
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:58:14 GMT

Subject: Re: MacTCP over Async Appletalk
From: David Hornsby, djh@cs.mu.OZ.AU
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:57:45 GMT
In article <9232300.18677@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> David Hornsby,
djh@cs.mu.OZ.AU writes:
>Anders.Liljegren@udac.uu.se (Anders Liljegren) writes:
>>Is there anyone who had managed to this to work? How do you set it up?
>>Should I select the Async icon in the MacTCP dialog box? Is there some
>>other requirement?
>
>It works fine here, the key is to have an external gateway such as a
>FastPath, GatorBox or MultiPort Gateway that is configured to handle
>static or dynamic IP addresses on the *EtherTalk* interface. This is
>not usually the default setting since Macs with an Ethernet card are
>usually configured to use MacTCP directly via Ethernet rather than
>via EtherTalk.
>
> - David.

This appears to be a similar problem to the the MacTCP over ARA problem.
The solution, get a hardware box, is not always workable. What we need is
a software decoder that performs the translations from the AppleTalk link
prior to the MacTCP link. Supposedly, there are software "pre-routers",
the question is, do they work in these situations? 

To summarize the problem (again):

==People are using Macs that are connected via modem (ARA or Async
Appletalk) to Macs that are ==networked using ethernet cards to a system
with no "Apple aware" router.
==
==MacTCP is installed on the remote Mac as well as network software that
accesses MacTCP.
==
==The "host" machine physically on the net does not know (or can't)
handle the data passed over ==the phone line. 
==

Please, no more suggestions like: get a FastPath or GatorBox. We are
looking for a software solution.

Thanx in advance, email me direct or post software solutions here (a
large number of people seem to be interested in this).

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
////
Harley R. Myler								hrm@engr.ucf.edu
Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering
University of Central Florida
Orlando, Florida 32816-0450
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: gi@pc-labor.uni-bremen.de (Gerald Imboden)
Subject: Need Help With TECHWORKS Ethernetcards
Organization: University of Bremen, pc-labor
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:21:39 GMT

Hello Netfolk,

I tried to install a TECHWORKS Ethernetcard in a MACII running SYS7 and MACTCP.
If I call MACTCP all I get is an icon for Appletalk. I cannot choose Ethernet.
The german distributor knows that the card should work, but he never used it for
this purpose. I send an email and a fax to TECHWORKS two weeks aga but I didn't 
get an answer until now.
So is there somebody who can give an advice?

Thank you,
Gerald
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: slade@samoyed.wrc.xerox.com (Mike Slade)
Subject: Re: CAP6.0 pl126 with Sys7 and Sys6? (printer list problem)
Reply-To: slade.wbst128@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:18:24 GMT

This sounds like the old chooser size limit problem. You can only get
14-15 printers to appear in the chooser.

Solution:

Split your printers into differrent zones.


We have had this running for several years- our configuration includes
at least six zones on one physical net with one net number all set in
the cisco router which routes appletalk. Our suns have as many as seven
or more logical printers that appear in the zone to which the Sun is
assigned during CAP startup.

Michael Slade
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: karches@utdallas.edu (Tom Karches)
Subject: Re: looking for CHEAP Mac ethernet cards
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:23:04 GMT

In article <1e9p7fINNhrb@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> craig@ec.uwa.oz.au (Craig Richmond - division) writes:
>jeffc@comb1.comb.umd.edu (Jeff Clowser; IRG) writes:
>
>>Our price at U of MD for an Asante card is as low as $125, I believe.  I've
>>never had a problem with one.
>
>I installed some Asante LC ethernet cards with the 4.0 driver that shipped
>with them.  I had several occasions where they just locked the machine up
>and flooded the ethernet with traffic.  I verified this by looking at the
>activity light on another machine.  I ftp'd the 4.1 drivers and installed
>them and have had a lot less problems since and haven't flooded the network
>with traffic once :-).  They seem to be working fine now.  I've only had a
>couple of lockups since and I'm not sure that the cards are at fault for
>those.
>
>Craig
>

I would try using the Apple drivers instead of the Asante drivers
(yes, they work.) The Asante drivers have some conflicts with MacTCP
that the Apple drivers don't.

I would check with Focus Enhancements about inexpensive Ethernet cards.
They also sell a spiffy SCSI Ethernet that works better than any I have
seen (the Asante EN/SC is junk, IMHO.)

On a positive note, I have had general good success with other Asante
products.

Regards,
Tom Karches
karches@utdallas.edu
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tom Karches          |"If rap music had been around when I was a kid,
karches@utdallas.edu | I would have become a musician instead of a politician."
karches@holonet.net  '-------------------------------------- Richard Nixon
From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: CLAIM: Seed Routers are not Nodes
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:31:40 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon

[]

	"I suppose the proper use of the word "seed" has become a
	little muddled.  Nevertheless, whoever made the statement, "Any
	router, once running, becomes a SEED router," had the right
	idea.  Once a router comes up, it is allowed to provide
	information about the network to other routers that are
	starting up.  More precisely, on extended networks it is
	allowed to answer a ZIP GetNetInfo Request with a GetNetInfo
	Reply.  Hence, it, in essence, acts like a seed router,
	although it initially may not have been one."

Yes, a router can answer GetNetInfos once it's gotten its information
together.  But saying that this makes it a "like a seed router" is like
saying this makes it "like a red router" because the routers in red
cases happen to work this way.

Apple did a rotten job inventing terminology for AppleTalk.  Reading
through the glossary makes you wince -- "network" means "network
segment", "internet" means "network", and the overloading of "CTS" and
"RTS" makes it awfully hard on somebody who looks at the Z8530 and sees
CTS and RTS pinouts.  But we've got to live with all this.

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
From: bq840@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven Zabarnick)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: CAP 6.0 on HPUX 8.07?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 13:14:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Does anyone have experience running CAP on HPUX. I have a 9000/
730 running HPUX 8.07, and I'm having trouble installing CAP.
Any help out there?

Steve Zabarnick
steve@snake.appl.wpafb.af.mil OR
zabarnic@udavxb.udayton.edu
DON USE: bq840.freenet...
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: steph@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Stephen Sakamoto)
Subject: Question about atis
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 18:33:30 GMT


On occasion I've had problems with atis reporting an error because
the nbp, zis or trmp ports couldn't be opened because they were busy. In
the past the recomended fix was to make sure the there were entries in
/etc/services to reserve the ports. I can understand this where the problem
occurs on startup and IPTalk is being used. I am running on a Sun 4/380
using native Phase2 Ethertalk with /dev/nit. The Sun is located on a subnet
connected to a Wellfleet that routes Phase2. The problem is that something
happens to atis and the Sun loses the routing information for the Wellfleet.
After I tell atis to exit and try to restart it reports that it can't open 
the rtmp port because it's busy. Has anybody else seen this problem, any
suggestions on what to look for or things to check.


Thanks,

Stephen Sakamoto
UCLA Computer Science Department
steph@cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-2145
From: yatesbd@pharm.med.upenn.edu (Brian Yates)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: ARAP modem configuration
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:31:18 GMT
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk
Organization: U of Penn

I have to say that Apple really has their act together with ARAP.  My only
concern is the modem configuration file.  Apple has a nice list of modem
drivers for those people who don't know what e71, v32bis, etc... means, but
what about the rest of us.

In my case, I have a Motorola Codex 1133 modem.  It supports v32, with
MNP-5 error checking.  Can I write a configuration file for it, or do I
have to try to make my modem emulate one of the modems with a config file?

Any suggestions?
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:36:49 -0500 
From: Nico Tjandra <nt05+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Help CAP60 on SUN

Hi,
    I have a network of macs and sparc running straight/native BNC
ethernet. I know that the network is fine ( I can ping both ways and
telnet from the macs to the sun). I have tried to install CAP60 on the
SUN to do uafs so we can share the large disk attached to the sun. I
have not been very succesful at setting it up. Note: no gateways or
bridges between macs and sun. I tried compiling and installing the CAP60
with option UAB and native ETHERTALK without any success. All daemons
are running on the sun with no problem, except that the ddp number is
always 0.00 when I run the test programs. However there is  a node
number of 74, which I am not sure how the sun gets it. I would
appreciate any help in deciding whether I should use UAB or ethertalk
native set up and what should I do on the mac side. The macs are running
system 7, and the sun is running Sun OS 4.1.2. I also should mention
that this is an isolated network. Thanks in advance for the help.