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From: lulu@COOMBS.ANU.EDU.AU (by way of gustilo@pop-server.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: PH:Lawmakers pursue Sabah claim
Date: 20 Nov 1992 06:49:39 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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18NOV92 PHILIPPINES: PHILIPPINE LAWMAKERS TELL RAMOS TO PURSUE SABAH.
      15:01 GMT [REUTR] R49211182723
 MANILA, Nov 18, Reuter - Thirty-two Philippine legislators led by the
speaker of congress urged President Fidel Ramos on Wednesday to take a
strong stand in pursuing Manila's territorial claim to Sabah, Malaysia. The
call appeared to run counter to statements by Foreign Secretary Roberto
Romulo that the administration was not keen on actively pursuing the claim,
which has strained relations between Manila and Kuala Lumpur for three
decades. The proposal was embodied in a resolution filed in the House of
Representatives by Speaker Jose de Venecia, a close ally of Ramos, and 31
other congressmen. The resolution calls for the creation of a bipartisan
legislative-executive committee to draft "the final Philippine position on
the Sabah claim, including the various modes of pursuing the claim, the
venue and schedule for implementation." "It is now time that the government
considers a firmer and stronger policy on Sabah with due regard to our
territorial integrity and national interest consistent with the
requirements of regional harmony and cooperation," the resolution adds. The
house foreign affairs committee will study the resolution and decide
whether or not to recommend it to the entire chamber for approval. "The
sentiment of the committee is to eventually pursue the claim," congressman
Jaime Lopez, its chairman, told reporters. Manila officially laid claim to
Sabah, the former British North Borneo, in 1962 saying it historically
belonged to the Filipino Sultan of Sulu. Kuala Lumpur has rejected the
claim and said the Sulu sultanate had ceded its rights to the territory.
Romulo told Malaysian officials on a visit to Kuala Lumpur in September
that the Ramos administration would not pursue the claim but could not drop
it outright without congress approval. (c) Reuters Limited
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Lulu Turner
Dept of Political and Social Change
Research School of Pacific Studies
The Australian National University
GPO Box 4, Canberra ACT 2601
Tel: (06) 249 0173
Fax: (06) 257 1893
E-mail (Internet) lulu@coombs.anu.edu.au
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: <None>
From: cvadrbeb@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:56:27 PST
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvadssem

Hey!
  Could You e-mail some info back on what You know?

		Randy Abulon
From: grtorlba@sumax.seattleu.edu (George Torralba)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Filipino gangs featured in CBS News
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:12:03 GMT
Organization: Seattle University

In article <97867@netnews.upenn.edu> dalisay@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Reynaldo S Dalisay) writes:
>In article <5789@sumax.seattleu.edu> grtorlba@sumax.seattleu.edu (George Torralba) writes:
>>In article <1e8c2hINNf7f@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jxs18@po.CWRU.Edu (Jerry Sy) writes:
>
>Who cares about the Filipino image?  Forget that stuff--we should
>concentrate on reforming these kids who hang around with their
>barkadas, acting bad, and shooting their own kababayans.  It's really
>sad to hear such stories.  What's bad for the "Filipino image" is that
>we don't seem to be doing anything about it.
>

What's there to do.  As a lot of .signature you find of people posting
through Usenet proclaim, "I don't speak for [organization] and they don't
speak for me," so will I say I don't speak for the Filipinos and they
don't speak for me, my views are my own and theirs, theirs!!!!!


George

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: albert@gamma.mathlab.sunysb.edu (Jose Ramon Albert)
Subject: Phil DJ Rene Sta. Cruz Challenges Stern, Hall to Duel
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook, Dept. of Math
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:53:40 GMT

U61618@uicvm.uic.edu writes :

> ... WHY DON'T WE JUST KIDNAP STERN,GIVE HIM TO THE NPA, WATCH THE NPA
>CUT HIS BALLS ON T.V. AND FEED IT TO THE DOGS.  THEN, BUY LOTS OF SAN MIGUEL
>BEER AND USE(D) THE REST OF HIS BODY AS PULUTAN.... THAT WILL TEACH THEM NOT TO
>MESS WITH US.... IF ARSENIO (DOES) DID SAY SOMETHING BAD ABOUT US.... 
>WELL, LET'S DO THE SAME THING BUT DIFFERENT PUTAHI!!!! AYOS BA????
>
>AND TO THE PILIPINO GANGS OUT THERE:  UNITE AND BRING GLORY TO OUR RACE SO
>				       PEOPLE LIKE STERN DON'T END UP IN OUR
>				       BASURA HALF EATEN.

while i share the passionate disgust over howard stern's remarks, i think 
it may not be proper for us to write comments like these.  any form of 
dehumanization (whether it be racism or other forms of oppression) 
must be treated level-headedly.  a nasty response to a nasty comment may 
only create a continuous cycle.  let us not forget that racists are themselves
victims of their own racism (for they are enslaved by ignorance).  

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albert@ams.sunysb.edu                          pinanggalingan, di
Department of Applied Math and Statistics      makararating sa
State University of New York at Stony Brook    patutungohan" 
Stony Brook, NY 11794-3600
(516) 632-2192
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: garces_ro@uswrsl.enet.dec.com (JRG)
Subject: Re: know any filipino stereotypes?
Organization:  WSLMC Sunnyvale
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:09:50 GMT


In article <1992Nov16.142457.7956@walter.bellcore.com>, rick@gamma.bellcore.com (Rick Martija) writes...
>In article <1e691qINNk8a@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco) writes:
>|> 
>|> In a previous article, c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) says:
>|> 
>|> >In article <1992Nov14.005246.2169@engage.pko.dec.com> garces_ro@uswrsl.enet.dec.com (JRG) writes:
>|> >>
>|> >>	Here's another good one that my girlfriend mentioned to me.
>|> >>	Being from a different racial background she's wondering about
>|> >>	it. Here it goes:
>|> >>
>|> >>	Filipinos always have a "tabo" in their bathroom. We all know
>|> >>	that we don't need them to take a bath right. So, Iknowyouknow
>|> >>	whatImean. 
>|> >>
>|> >
>|> >Considering the drought situation and such in some areas of the U.S., I 
>|> >think 'tabos' might actually be practical.  
>|> >
>|> >What do you all think?
>|> 
>|> They would.  Unfortunately, based on some conversations I've had with
>|> Americans, it seems that many of them value their showers and tub baths
>|> too much to resort to the good old 'tabo'.  Not surprising--they also
>|> express surprise at the way I refuse to throw out my used (but intact)
>|> Ziploc bags, or the way I always turn the lights off when leaving my
>|> room.
>|> 
>|> What can I say?  It's a wasteful country.  (No flames please!  I mean
>|> this as a mere observation, not an insult.)
>|> 
>|> -- 
>|>     Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., CWRU grad student & roboticist wannabee
>|> 
>|>    "Bullwinkle, that man's intimidating a referee!"    |    My boss is a 
>|>    "Not very well.  He doesn't look like one at all."  |  Jewish carpenter.




>I think you missed the real purpose of the tabo in the bathroom.  Ito'y
>ginagamit natin panghugas ng... alam ninyo na.  Mahal ang toilet paper :-)
> 
>Rick

   	Thank you Rick ! You got  .........EXACTLYWHATIMEAN

	***********	               
	JR Garces
From: jxs18@po.CWRU.Edu (Jerry Sy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Filipino gangs featured in CBS News
Date: 16 Nov 1992 14:43:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jxs18@po.CWRU.Edu (Jerry Sy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


any comments on the CBS evening news last friday where Dan Rather
featured Filipino gangs in San Diego ?  It also mentioned a gang
member shooting to death another Filipino in front of his mother.

It looks real bad to the Filipino image.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: mbernar@erenj.com (Marcelino Bernardo)
Subject: Re: Noli
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, Co.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:10:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.195205.19258@schbbs.mot.com>,
CMIS27@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Roda Farrell) wrote:
> 
> Thanks to all who mailed me info about Noli.  In case anyone is
> interested, here's a summary:
> 
> Noli and Fili were both translated into English by Charles Derbishire
> and were published by The Philippine Education Co.  Noli was titled
> "The Social Cancer" and Fili was "The Reign of Greed."  I've called
> a couple of bookstores in the Chicago area, but none of them have the
> books.  One person suggested contacting a Pilipino bookstore, but I
> don't know of any in the area.
> 
> I will keep trying and post when I find out more.
> 
> Thanks again,
> Roda
> Corrections/comments are welcomed.

Perhaps you missed my e-mail to you and my post here.  I suggest you check
with your local university library:  They might have it.  For instance, I 
connected to the library at Rutgers (New Jersey) and found both the Noli
and
Fili translation by Leon Ma. Guerrero.  Try searching by author: Jose
Rizal.

Marcelino Bernardo
mbernar@erenj.com
From: francis@mpl.ucsd.edu (Francis C Felizardo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Filipino proverbs
Date: 19 Nov 1992 17:36:15 GMT
Organization: Scripps Institution of Oceanography
NNTP-Posting-Host: kiko.ucsd.edu

In article <92323.165113U52892@uicvm.uic.edu> <U52892@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>Talking about stereotypes, I figured a lot of Filipino proverbs
>emphasize some Filipino values.
>Here are some examples:
>1. Kapag maiksi and kumot
>   Magtiis mamaluktot

Kapag maiksi and kumot, matutong mamaluktot - was how I remember this.
If the blanket is small, learn to curl up (so you'll fit under it.)

I usually hear this in an economic context, i.e., if you are poor, 
learn to live within your means.

> 2. Ang taong walang tiyaga
>    Walang nilaga

Ang taong may tiyaga, may nilaga.

'Nilaga' is a delicious slow cooked disk - one of my favorites. A person 
who has patience can look forward to a good reward in the end.

>       ....again, patience

>     There are other proverbs I can remember but can't understand what it
>meant.
>1. Tulak ng bibig, kabig ng dibdib

[Your mouth pushes, your heart pulls.] We tend to say things we don't 
really mean because we don't want to hurt the other person's feelings. As 
was pointed out, this is commonly used to describe courtship situations.

>2. Ang hindi tumingin sa pinangalingan
>   di makakarating sa paroroonan

Ang hindi marunong tumingin sa pinanggalingan,
Ay hindi makararating sa paroroonan.

[He who does not learn to look back,
Will never reach his destination.]

You cannot achieve success if you do not examine your roots. Also, 
you cannot achieve true happiness and success if you ignore your family.

Comments welcome.

   - Francis
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Francis C Felizardo                             francis@mpl.ucsd.edu
Scripps Institution of Oceanography, 0213	      (619) 534 1085
La Jolla, CA 92093-0213
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: jcruz@etch-eshop.Berkeley.EDU (Joey Cruz)
Subject: Beauty Contest
Reply-To: jcruz@etch-eshop.Berkeley.EDU (Joey Cruz)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:18:52 GMT


>>4th Runner Up from Ceylon  ...........MISS Bitina Cia
>>3rd Runner Up from India  ........... MISS Indina Liligho
>>2nd Runner Up from China  ........... MISS Sue Su Co Lailai
>>1st Runner Up from Philippines....... MISS Pining Garcia
>>MISS ASIA 1992  from jAPAN.....MISS KIKIKO MAKUTO.....MABUHAY..


>Well, what happened to Miss Thailand ..... ANA KANAMPUCHA ???

>BTW, you left out the emcee's name. I believe it was .... CHINO TEOPACO.


>Here's another CF kidnapping joke:

>Yung mga kidnappers daw sa MNL naglalagay ng mga personalized vanity plates sa 
>kanilang tsikot na nakasulat "I FORGOT".

>Para daw kung tinanong ng pulis sa mga witness kung ano ang license plate ng
>getaway car, sasabihin nila "I ....

i really belive the name of the emcee is Tsino Tsupania...
From: atienzam@newton.hartwick.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Fishballs
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:09:42 -0500
Organization: HARTWICK COLLEGE

	I need help on a recipe.....does anyone know how to make
fishballs????  Thanx for your help.....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: aimee@wpd.sgi.com (Aimee Manosa)
Subject: Re: know any filipino stereotypes?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:18:02 GMT

In article <1e998lINNbq5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco) writes:

|> Good point, Greg.  The important distinction, however, is that nobody is
|> *required* to attend a party at a specific time.  Hence, if you arrive
|> an hour after the party begins, you are not truly "late"--unless you agreed
|> to arrive early to help with the preparations.  

Choke. Gasp. Huh?  I don't get it.  The reason someone says, "Please join
us at 7 pm" is because they want you to be there at 7pm.  Nothing hard to
understand about this...it's not rocket science.  They really want you there
at 7 pm.  And not for preparations; I think I would be considered rude if I 
expected you to help me prepare for a party, let alone be considered unorganized!

And if you know you won't make it on time, letting the hosts know is 
appropriate, that way they know when to expect you and deal with it.

And I think the "important distinction" here is that no one is required
to attend a party.  Don't go if you don't want to.  But if you do want
to, than mean it and do the right thing.  


-- 
        ~
Aimee Manosa		aimee@wpd.sgi.com		Opinions are mine
			Silicon Graphics, Inc
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: US Has Obligation to Filipino AmerAsians
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:38:13 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- President Fidel Ramos said Monday the
United States has an obligation to help thousands of illegitimate
children sired by U.S. servicemen even after Washington pulls out of its
last military base in the Philippines.
	The United States vacates Subic Bay Naval Station, 50 miles west of
Manila, Tuesday marking the end of nearly a century of U.S. military
presence in its former colony.
	But thousands of brown-haired or black-skinned children, called
Amerasians, would be left behind.
	``This is a problem that should be jointly addressed by the
Philippine government and the United States government,'' Ramos said in
his weekly news conference.
	``On the part of the Philippine government, we intend to do justice
to these children and and treat them as our very own,'' he said.
	``But at the same time I feel that there is a corresponding
obligation on the part of the fathers who are American citizens as well
as institutional obligation on the part of the unit to which these
American service people belong.''
	Ramos said the withdrawal of the last U.S. troops from Philippine
soil ``does not mean the end of that obligation,'' adding that Manila
and Washington would continue to discuss the issue.
	The number of mixed-race children in the Philippines is not known,
but some put it at between 23,000 to 50,000 nationwide.
	Most of them live in Olongapo outside Subic and nearby Angeles
adjacent to the giant Clark Air Base, which was turned over to Manila
last year.
	Both cities were famous for their bars and prostitutes which catered
to U.S. sailors.
	Many Amerasians are living in poverty, dreaming of becoming U.S.
citizens one day. The also complain of discrimination and are often
taunted by their playmates.
	A 1982 U.S. law allows children of American servicemen born in
Vietnam, South Korea, Thailand, Laos and Cambodia to emigrate and become
U.S. citizens, but excluded those from the Philippines.
	U.S. officials said this was because Filipino Amerasians do not
suffer the same stigma as their counterparts in other Asian countries.
	Ramos said that despite the pullout, both nations are still bound by
a 1951 Mutual Defense Treaty and a long history of alliance tested
during World War II.
	``In the area of trade, commerce, business and investment, we hope to
be able to forge even stronger ties with the United States, inasmuch as
that's the name of the game now, through trade, not aid,'' he added.
From: francis@mpl.ucsd.edu (Francis C Felizardo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Even more proverbs
Date: 20 Nov 1992 17:34:03 GMT
Organization: Scripps Institution of Oceanography
NNTP-Posting-Host: kiko.ucsd.edu

In article <mbernar-201192102226@esemac.erenj.com> mbernar@erenj.com (Marcelino Bernardo) writes:

>> And on the lighter side:
>> 
>> 5. Balang araw, maghihiganti ako.
>>   (On bullet day, I will become a giant.) *grin*

>Did you mean to put a smiley here?  This is not really so light.  It means 
>"someday, I will get even with you".  Maghihiganti means to avenge.

Yes, I know. The 'lighter side' means the 'not serious (amusing) side'. 

*grin* == :^) == smiley

Saying 5 was meant to be a joke.

   - Francis
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Francis C Felizardo                             francis@mpl.ucsd.edu
Scripps Institution of Oceanography, 0213	      (619) 534 1085
La Jolla, CA 92093-0213
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Court Allows Imelda to Go Abroad
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:06:49 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- A court Tuesday granted a petition by
former first lady Imelda Marcos to travel abroad to meet with financial
advisers on the return of $356 million of allegedly stolen money to the
Philippines.
	Regional trial court judge Dadivas Farrales, who is hearing seven tax
fraud charges against the widow of ousted dictator Ferdinand Marcos,
asked her to post a $2,000 cash bond.
	Dadivas also required Mrs. Marcos to inform the court of her
itinerary and to report within 10 days after her return to Manila.
	However, four other courts where the flamboyant former first lady is
facing dozens of corruption charges have to give their approval before
she can leave the Philippines.
	Mrs. Marcos last week petitioned the five courts to allow her to
travel to Switzerland to discuss with her financial advisers a possible
compromise with Manila over $356 million she and her husband deposited
in Swiss banks.
	The government claims the money belongs to the Philippine people and
should be returned. Mrs. Marcos denied the fund was acquired illegally
but said she was willing to give the money to a foundation for the poor.
	Mrs. Marcos, who is accused of helping her husband plunder the nation
of billions of dollars during his 20-year rule, assured the courts she
will return to face trial.
	She has traveled abroad twice with court approval since she returned
from U.S. exile in November last year.
	Her lawyer, Renato Dilag, told reporters Monday Mrs. Marcos might
also go to Hawaii to visit the remains of the late dictator, who died
there in 1989. Marcos was toppled in 1986 in a popular military revolt.
	President Fidel Ramos has allowed the former dictator's body to be
flown to his northern home province for burial but banned it from the
capital. The Marcos family has insisted on a state funeral in Manila.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:50:40 EST
From: <ALIM@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject:    SENATE RESOLUTION NO. 26


  SENATE RESOLUTION NO. 26

    WHEREAS, ACCORDING TO PUBLISHED REPORTS, MALACANANG IS
due to sign on July 24 with commercial creditors a $4.8
billion debt restructuring package;

    WHEREAS, IT HAS BEEN REPORTED THAT A NUMBER OF THE
fraudulent Marcos)era loans including $256 million of the
Bataan Nuclear Power Plant (BNPP) loans have been included
in the package;

     WHEREAS, CONGRESS HAS IN THE PAST EXPRESSED ITS CONCERN
and objection about including the controversial BNPP loans
in any debt restructuring deal or securitization of foreign
loans;

     WHEREAS, IT IS CRUCIAL THAT MALACANANG SHOULD FURTHER
consult Congress on this arrangement which will commit
present and future generations to the payments of foreign
debt so that the details, terms and provisions of the debt
restructuring package can be reviewed and discussed in order
that the Philippines can forge a more advantageous
arrangement;

     WHEREAS, ARGENTINA RECENTLY SIGNED A DEBT RESTRUCTURING
package in which it clearly got better terms compared to the
one that the Philippines is schedule to sign;

     WHEREAS, THE START OF A NEW ADMINISTRATION SHOULD BE
the best argument for re)opening the debt negotiations
instead of tying itself to the terms agreed to by the
previous Aquino administration;

     RESOLVED BY THE SENATE, AS IT IS HEREBY RESOLVED, TO
urge President Fidel V. Ramos to defer the scheduled July 24
singing of the debt restructuring package with the end in
view of seeking the consensus from Congress on the matter.

Introduced by Sen. Wigberto E. Tanada in the Senate opening
session, July 20.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: equipt@etch-eshop.Berkeley.EDU (Etcheverry Equipment Inventory)
Subject: Miss Asia Beauty Contest....
Reply-To: equipt@etch-eshop.Berkeley.EDU (Etcheverry Equipment Inventory)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:25:55 GMT

The Following are the Winners of the Miss Asia Contest that was
held in the Island of Bubuka Buka a tiny little island in Micronisia..

4th Runner Up from Ceylon  ...........MISS Bitina Cia
3rd Runner Up from India  ........... MISS Indina Liligho
2nd Runner Up from China  ........... MISS Sue Su Co Lailai
1st Runner Up from Philippines....... MISS Pining Garcia

And for the MISS ASIA OF 1992 TITLE HOLDER.....

The One The Only From the land of the Rising Sun 
MISS ASIA 1992 fro JAPAN ............. MISS KIKIKO MAKUTO.

            BANZAI.......................

MISS ASIA 1992  from jAPAN.....MISS KIKIKO MAKUTO.....MABUHAY..
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: rs54@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Richard Sucgang)
Subject: Re: New Book
Reply-To: rs54@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Richard Sucgang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:05:47 GMT

In article <m-muyot-201192093538@chang.slip.uiuc.edu> m-muyot@uiuc.edu (Ching Muyot) writes:
>More news from our friend Mon Patawaran from New York:
>
>        Pinoy Guide to the Big Apple,
>                        by Ronnie Alejandro & Gloria Syquia
Uy! I frequent the bookstores here a lot (book lover's paradise, kuno)
and I never came across this one. Thanks for telling me.
>
>it is not your typical guide to manhattan. it addresses the needs of
>pinoys and instantly transforms one into a new yorker, which sometimes
>takes years to attain. it also shows one how to accomplish this at the
>least cost without sacrificing quality.
Hmmm....makes me very curious now. Manhattan? Just about every
Pinoy friend I have who visits (very few exceptions, like
Manong Ken Ilio) seems to think that Manhattan is the next worse
level to Hell itself. Everyone seems to think that Queens or NJ
is safer; don't get caught in the subway after dark...nakakainis talaga.
I guess there is enough to discuss there to write a book about :).
>
>to obtain a copy, contact:
>
>                 behn cervantes (718) 472-0613
>
Not *the* Behn Cervantes, director? (see, he lives in Queens :) ).


Smileys all around!

-rich
rs54@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
richard sucgang - slime and time again