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From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Subject: Re: PENGUINS LOSE TO JETS DESPITE HOGGARTH'S BEST EFFORT TO HELP
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:47:33 GMT

In article <C0p0JL.3Fx@ccu.umanitoba.ca> kdc@ccu.umanitoba.ca () writes:
> Hoggarth did his best to spoil what most fans were looking to be a fast-
>paced, exciting game.  His strange calls and NON-calls had everyone
>excited for other reasons.

You're right there.  I'm waiting to hear what Lori has to say about the game,
as I saw the game on KBL, but there wasn't any sound as it was scrambled.  :(

Don Whitman (does color on CJOB radio) was very confused as to what game
Hoggarth was watching and calling.

> In the first period he gave Mike Eagles a 5 min high sticking/game misconduct
>penalty and Pittsburgh' Stanton was hit in the face and cut BY THE PUCK.
>The Pens jumped to a 2 - 0 lead during that power play.

At this point, I was a bit worried.  Two goals in the first two minutes of
the major, and one of our big penalty killers out of the game.  I was glad
when they pulled up their socks and killed the rest of the penalty.


> The JETS came back with a great goal by TEEMU SELANNE, showing another
>incredible burst of speed, before the end of the first.

Teemu has been scoring some PURTY goals lately, hasn't he?  I hope ESPN and
the Prime network get on their butts to show a few more games so that the
Calder Trophy voters know that there is someone out there other than Lindros.


> Hoggarth continued to make bad calls and not call many flagrant penalties
>mug Selanne on many occasions.  Ron Francis took a 20 foot, dogpile-on-the-rabbit
>run at Keith Tkachuk. No call.

What got me about this was that Hoggarth was right there, STARING at them.  He
was the first one there to see if Keith was ok, and no penalty.  This was AFTER
he had also thrown Shannon out of the game for an errant (but obvious) high
stick.  I usually want to try to eliminate most of my 'home team' bias, but
Hoggarth blew that game BIG time.


> The JETS have now beaten Pittsburgh, Los Angeles and Calgary in their
> last 3 games.  They are hot and are leaving the Oilers langusihing in their
> dust (now 5 points up with 3 games in hand) and are taking aim on LA.
>  (LA stayed 7 points ahead of the JETS with their win in Chicago)

Next game is San Jose...I hope there isn't a letdown.  


>GO JETS                                                           GO JETS

Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets 
Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca -or- daryl.turner@mailbox.bison.mb.ca 
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Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Selanne, he shoots, he scores! 
The Jets win the Cup!  The Jets win the Cup!
Essensa for Vezina!  Housley for Norris!  Selanne for Calder!
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: SHARKS Current Roster
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:21:27 GMT

				Method of Acquisition
GOALIES
1	Brian Hayward 		from MIN in dispersal draft
30	Jeff Hackett		from NYI in expansion draft
32	Arturs Irbe 		from MIN in dispersal draft

DEFENSEMEN
2	Rob Zettler		from MIN in dispersal draft
3	David Williams		free agent from NJ
4	Jayson More		from MON in expansion draft
5	Neil Wilkinson		from MIN in dispersal draft
6	Sandis Ozolinsh		2nd round pick in 1991 entry draft
19	Doug Zmolek		from MIN in dispersal draft
23	Link Gaetz		from MIN in dispersal draft
24	Doug Wilson		trade with CHI for RW K. Toporowski/2nd (1992)
38	Pat MacLeod		from MIN in dispersal draft
41	Tom Pederson		from MIN in dispersal draft

CENTERS
11	Kelly Kisio		trade with MIN for RW Shane Churla
12	Dean Evason		trade with HAR for D Dan Keczmer
25	David Maley		claimed off waivers from EDM
27	Hubie McDonough		purchased from NYI

LEFT WINGS
10	Johan Garpenlov		trade with DET for D Bob McGill/8th (1993)
14	Ray Whitney		2nd round pick in 1991 entry draft
15	David Bruce		from STL in expansion draft
18	Mark Pederson		trade with PHI for RW Dave Snuggerud
21	Yvon Corriveau		from WAS in 1992 waiver draft
44	Michel Picard		trade with HAR for future considerations
47	Mike Sullivan		free agent from MIN

RIGHT WINGS
17	Pat Falloon		1st round pick in 1991 draft
22	Lyndon Byers		free agent from BOS
26	Robin Bawa		trade with VAN for D Rick Lessard
36	Jeff Odgers		free agent from MIN
37	Rob Gaudreau		from MIN in dispersal draft
From: gerry@skatter.usask.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Nordiques: Team of the mid-90's
Date: 4 Jan 1993 05:33:54 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: skatter.usask.ca

From article <1993Jan3.073131.28539@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, by cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (KIRK MULLER or LARRY WALKER):
> 
> Being a die-hard Hab fan, this is very difficult for me to say, but...
> 
> I think the Nordiques will be to the 90's what the Oilers were to the 80's.
> I realize Pittsburgh is a very talented team, and will probably give Quebec
> a lot of trouble, but consider the Quebec roster:
> 
[11 good points that should make Quebec a very good team for some time to
come deleted ...]

You left out a big negative, until Quebec finds some semblance of team
defense, hell just defense period, they will continue to remain a team
with huge potential. It's damn nice to have a team that can go out and
score 5 or 6 goals a night, but if your giving up 4,5 or 6 your going
to lose as many as you win.

Not that the Habs are going to dominate anyone, especially now that they
seem to be content to give up 5 goals per game themselves. My spirits are
heightened though by the thought that some day soon their group of young
defenseman will actually turn potential into reality.
--
Gerry Gryschuk       "If it can't be expressed in figures, it is not science;
gerry@sask.usask.ca   it is opinion"
Go Habs!!!	      "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity"
			 - Lazarus Long(R.A.Heinlein)  
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From: std_gibson@hg.uleth.ca (Jason Gibson)
Subject: Expansion and Goaltenders
Reply-To: std_gibson@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:34:41 GMT

There's been some talk about Toronto and their goaltender situation, but two
other teams come to mind before Toronto with regard to losing a good goaltender
in the expansion draft. 

The first is Calgary, because they have so many 'tenders who could play
in the league today including Vernon (possible Vezina candidate for the year),
Reese, Kidd, and Musatti (sp?).

The other team that stands out is the Rangers.  Which man are they
going to trade before then?  They wouldn't possibly keep both Richter and
VanBies. hoping the unprotected one would be overlooked in the expansion draft,
would they?

Just my 2 cents worth,
--->Jason
From: assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Lightning dethrone Kings (TB vs. LA 1/6)
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:30:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine


In article <1993Jan7.102556.8912@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
writes:

>The stars for the game were: 1-Bradley, 2-Donnelly, and 3-Crossman. LA's woes
>still continue. The hopeful quick-fix of Gretzky's return didn't work, but I'm
>sure he didn't feel at ease in his first game back. He did assist on both
>power-play goals.

I just want to add that the Kings really did not play a bad game.  Their
defense looked much better than it has the past few weeks.  I place
100% of the blame on Kelly Hrudey for absolutely horrendous goaltending.
On the first 2-on-1, defenseman Darryl Sydor did everything right --   
he created a block so the puck could not be passed between the 2 
Lightning players (so Hrudey knew who the shot would be coming from) 
and left a clear line of vision for Hrudey to see the shot coming in.
Hrudey still COMPLETELY MISSED IT!  This happened at least two other  
times in the game where Tampa Bay scored and Hrudey seemed unable
to fend off even the weakest, straightest shots by the opponent.  I
think it is time that Melrose gives some of his rookie goaltenders
some more ice time (they certainly cannot do any worse than Hrudey
has the last few weeks :-( 

I disagree that Gretzky "didn't feel at ease" his first game back.
I was surprised that Gretzky seemed to flow right back into the
game as if he had never been gone.  He looked great out there and
really hustled and worked hard to set up plays (two of which 
resulted in goals scored).  He and Granato work really well together
so I hope the two remain on the same line for the rest of the season.

However, to give Tampa Bay credit due, they played a fantastic defensive
game. There was no denying they kept the Kings tied up for most of the
game and I only wish we had Bergeron in our net for that game 
instead of Hrudey!   

Well, back to my depression -- the realization that the team I 
root for is absolutely pathetic -- (sigh) :-(


Kris
kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu

GO KINGS?


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From: epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu (EVAN pritchard)
Subject: Re: PENGUINS LOSE TO JETS DESPITE HOGGARTH'S BEST EFFORT TO HELP
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:43:49 GMT

kdc@ccu.umanitoba.ca () writes:

>The JETS defeated Pittsburgh last night, 3 to 2.
>The JETS have continued to play very well and are now 6-1-1 in their last 8
>games.

			GO Jets!!
 
> Hoggarth did his best to spoil what most fans were looking to be a fast-
>paced, exciting game.  His strange calls and NON-calls had everyone
>excited for other reasons.

[examples of Hoggarth's non-calls, and strange (read: poor) calls
deleted]

	I say the end of Saturday's St.Louis-Chicago game, which got
quite ugly.  Hoggarth was the referee there as well.  The score was
4-1 in the 3rd, so the game was esentially over, especially with less
than 20 sec left, which is when alot of the shenanigans occurred.
There was even an altercation with only 7 sec left, and that was
immediately following an altercation.  It was totally ridiculous!
Even Dale Tallon thought the Hawks, who were down in the 4-1 score,
thought that the Hawks behaviour was pathetic!  

	I don't know if it is possible, but Hoggarth should have been
able to call the game after the altercation with 7 sec, as the only
thing that happened after that was another altercation.  It was a
pathetic display of sportsmanship and hockey.  As Mr. Tallon said,
this is the sort of thing that the NHL is supposed to be trying to
eliminate.  
 
> The JETS have now beaten Pittsburgh, Los Angeles and Calgary in their
> last 3 games.  They are hot and are leaving the Oilers langusihing in their
> dust (now 5 points up with 3 games in hand) and are taking aim on LA.
>  (LA stayed 7 points ahead of the JETS with their win in Chicago)

	Go Jets!  Force Sather to make a desperate deal for Joe
Murphy.  

Not counting the Oilers out, but cheering when they lose even more
than usual ... 
 
_______________________
Evan Pritchard --------  Number 3 or 21 depending on the hockey pool 
=======================
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From: terry@gtm-inc.com (Terry Gerritsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Ontario Junior Results
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:03:13 EST
Reply-To: terry@gtm-inc.com (Terry Gerritsen)
Distribution: world
Organization: G.T.M. Incorporated, Kingston, ON (613) 546-3078
Content-Type: Text

                  Leyden Division
                 
                   G  W  L  T   F    A    Pts
Peterborough      40 31  9  0  213  139    62
Oshawa            38 23 13  2  180  158    48
Sudbury           38 22 15  1  193  171    45 
Kingston          40 19 14  7  179  171    45
Newmarket         41 19 17  5  196  191    43
Belleville        42 13 25  4  167  206    30
North Bay         38 12 24  2  147  177    26
Ottawa            40  8 26  6  143  200    22

                  Emms Division
Detroit           40 21 14  5  208  180    47
London            42 21 17  4  210  190    46
Sault Ste. Marie  37 19 15  3  185  165    41
Owen Sound        39 19 17  3  217  203    41
Niagara Falls     40 18 17  5  189  165    41
Kitchener         39 15 19  5  164  191    35
Guelph            38 13 21  4  173  210    30
Windsor           38 13 23  2  141  186    28

              
          
               

               

              Sunday's Results
         ==============================
              Kingston 5 Guelph 4
       Sault Ste. Marie 6 Kitchener 5
             London 4 Windsor 3
         Peterborough 6 North Bay 3
            Oshawa 7 Belleville 2
            Sudbury 5 Newmarket 4
         
              Tuesday's Games
         =============================
             Kitchener at Detroit


  Guelph picked up Newmarket's Ryan Vandenbusse and Mike Prokopec and traded
  225-pound right winger Alek Stojanov.

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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Pens News 1/4/93
Keywords: Injury Report
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:43:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C0C95K.IKI.1
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

Happy New Year, folks! 

When I have more time, I'll post a summary of the Pens-3 Leafs-3 New Year's 
Eve game, and the Pens-5 NY Rangers-2 Jan. 2nd game.  Right now I'll just
catch everyone up on a few things.

Scotty Bowman's father passed away on Dec. 27th.  Bowman left the team to
be with his family.  The Pens played Buffalo that afternoon, and the coaching 
duties were handled by the assistants.  The Pens won 4-0, due largely to a
stellar performance in net by Ken Wregget.

In that same game, Kjell Samuelsson suffered a broken cheekbone while going
down to block a shot.  He was hit in the face with the puck.  Kjell had just
returned to the lineup only a few days earlier after sitting out about 8 games
with a broken bone in his right foot.  Kjell is listed as indefinite.

Bryan Fogarty has been out of the lineup due to pneumonia.  Mike Needham has
been experiencing back spasms, and has also been out of the lineup.  

Mario Lemieux reached 100 points in the game against Toronto.  His 100th
point was a short handed goal. 

On Jan. 2nd, Lemieux left the Rangers game with about 5 minutes left to play.
It was later reported that he had been experiencing tightness in his back, and
removed himself from the game before it worsened.

Also on Jan. 2nd, equipment manager Steve Latin took part in his 1000th NHL 
game.

The Pens #1 draft pick, Martin Straka, has been recalled from Cleveland.  But
he has not seen any ice time yet.

Lori 
Contact for the Penguins
lli+@cs.cmu.edu
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Time for B's to get rid of Moog?
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:23:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HMS

In article <BSON.93Jan5223828@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu> bson@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jan Brittenson) writes:
>
> [ description Andy's inability to handle the puck is skipped]
 
I somewhat agree with Andy playing inconsistency thru the first half
of the season. However, after watching the Bruins being ripped by the Pens
last night I must say that the B's inability to put the puck in the
net is a major problem with this team right now. Let's face it,Jan,you
may beat Hartford 3-2 in OT but scoring 2 goals in regulation against
a superb team like the Pens doesn't quite cut it to be considered a
contender.

Somehow it looked like the B's had an abundance of the scoring talent in
the month of October. With Kvartalnov,Oates,Juneau,Leach,Heinze and yes,
even,Ruzicka it looked like the B's could come out with 2 excellent scoring
lines. Also with Stumpel,McKim,Sweeney and Pantelyev scoring in bunches
for Providence I thought the Bruins looked very deep scoring-wise.

The slump came at the end of October and the Bruins have become nothing
more than a .500 team on paper and on ice since Halloween. And it's
mostly due to the breakdown with their offense!

>   The big difference between the B's right now and their first ten
>games is the goaltending. Moog started the season reasonably well, not
>too many fumbles (although he did get caught behind the net on several
>occasions), but as time has progressed he has only slipped.
>
>Stop blaming the defense -- get some goddamn quality goaltending!

Start scoring some goals for a change and make the opposition play some
defense!

Trade Rosie,too! :-)
(I saw Rosie last week standing outside a local deli talking to a cop in
front of his illegally parked black Mercedes; I was tempted to yell out
of my car,"Hey, you lazy bum,stop stuffing your groin with food and get
back on skates!",but with the cop standing there I chickened out :-)

-PPV Mark
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: leafs (PLAYOFFS and EXPANSION DRAFT)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:17:08 GMT

In article <19484@mindlink.bc.ca> John_Carson@mindlink.bc.ca (John Carson) writes:
>Toronto has three goaltenders..I thought 1yr players were excempt from the
>expansion draft. So Then they protect only Fuhr and Potvin is not available
>at all.
>

Potvin is a second-year professional...having played a full season at
St. John's.  A year in minor professional hockey counts in the
determination of a first-year pro vs. a second-year-pro.

Gerald
From: rstear@cad600.intel.com (Robert Stear )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Pens-6 Bruins-2
Keywords: Grow up.
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:41:11 GMT
Organization: Hockey Hell, California

In article <1993Jan7.184850.5599@ee.ubc.ca>, Vincent Trinh writes:
|> 
|> finally... I was wondering when baby Mario was going to get injured again.
|> To bad he got injured so soon ... I had a bet that he would get injured
|> late january. Oh well, can't win them all.

What a coincidence!

I've got a bet in our hockey pool that you'll get hit by a truck in
late January, Vinny. Perhaps I'll get luckier than you did......

Brutal, you say? No, I just think of it a natural selection at work!

On the serious side:

Doesn't it seem more than a little juvenile to wish injury upon sports
stars? If my team won because all the best players in the league had
been injured, I would consider it a VERY boring win.

Bob
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From: gomer+@pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Who the HELL is doing Pens color?
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:26:52 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <C0CLAM.EC@acsu.buffalo.edu> hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) writes:
>In article <1i5jq9INNa2d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>>
>>I beleive he's a Francophone because of his accent, and this is
>>CERTAINLY NOT Paul Steigerwald.  

It's Pierre Larouche, who's just involved with the pay-per-view games.

>>1) WHat happened to PAul ?

Hopefully, he died.
>
>Itt
>also enabled me to learn that Mike Lange seems to be a clueless
>individual who ambled to the bucket three minutes before game time,

He's not so much clueless, although he may well have been a bit
inebriated.  It's not unheard of for him to be in that state, even
on the air.  The guy is like a black hole when it comes to booze.

> He wore that cheesy
>plastic smile through the game whenever the camera was on, and had
>some vicious scowls for Penguins college freshman aged fans who
>eagerly showed up at the bucket to drop off a sign (something about
>Lange and scotch, if I recall). 

As I said above, the sign about scotch was probably appropriate.
Lange's actually a pretty decent radio guy, but the problem nowadays
is that he's become a full-blown celebrity in this town, and quite
possibly more visible than just about 99% of the Pens.  His ego has
gone thru the roof, I've heard, although I know folks who say he can
be quite reasonable in person.  

While his little sayings used to be cute, they are now his own personal
signature, and he feels obligated to come up with new ones on the order
of every month or so.  The new ones are pretty pathetic, and there are
many of us fans who just wish he would shut up and call the game and
leave the dammed theatrics somewhere else.

Either way, we're stuck with both him and Steigerwald for the duration.
It's not unusual for me to turn the sound off completely when they are
on the tube anymore.....it's just too hard to watch a game when the
waves of nausea are distracting me.

rick
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Winnipeg Jets
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:00:42 GMT

In article <C0I9Ks.E9F@news.cso.uiuc.edu> epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu (EVAN pritchard) writes:
>	
>I think that the Oilers will have to be looking to make some move for 
>Joe Murphy that will help them immediately rather than getting help for the
>future as they got in the Lowe deal.  I do not count the Oilers out; I've 
>seen them play enough to know better than to write them off with over a 
>half season left.  Still, I do like where the Jets are going, and ditto
>for the Oilers.  Am I glad Ted Green isn't the Jets coach.   

What have you got against Ted Green...he is perhaps as responsible, if
not more, for the Oilers success in the eighties as Sather or Muckler.

The Oilers are in pretty deep doo-doo right now...they are stretching
the playoff lifeline to the breaking point right now, and for once
I'm not certain that the line will hold.  It is getting too far into
the season to have a roster that still is potentially in so much
flux, and they just aren't scoring enough goals for the Oilers system
to function.  This isn't exactly Green's fault...Sather has to take
the blame for personnel.

You can be lousy in November and December...if you're still lousy in
January, you're in big trouble.  In the last couple of years, the
Oilers have always gotten their act together by Christmas time,
and were pretty much the best team in the Smythe the rest of the
way...they aren't close to having their act together yet this year.

What is it like to miss the playoffs...this Oiler team may be going
where no Oiler team has gone before!  

Gerald
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