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From: leefi@microsoft.com (lee fisher)
Subject: Re: BIG troubleS in NT
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:07:38 GMT
Organization: microsoft corp., redmond, wa

> 1) I tried to build those samples in mstools. By going to the samples 
>    directory and I typed makeall, I got the following error on *EACH* 
>    sample:
>         Error: Cannot find c:\temp\000112ex: no such file or directory

not sure of this problem, almost sounds like you have a TMP or TEMP
environment variable and the subdir its pointing to does not exist.

>    I forgot the error name and number. It is a compiler error though. 
>    Next, I do the same mstools installation ONE MORE TIME by going to 
>    the CD-ROM drive and type setup in mstools directory. This time, 
>    after the install, the compiler works fine. But I get a bunch of 
>    warnings for each sample:
>         warning 0505: No modules extracted from c:\mstools\lib\CRTDLL.LIB
>    total 10 to 20 warning messages. Are these warnings generated by the 
>    debug flag?

this warning is ok, using a macro in \mstools\samples\inc\ntwin32.mak,
the link lines for these are specifying *.lib, which is telling the linker
to link to every library, and it is noisily telling you that it didn't
need to bother with some of the libraries. the next SDK ntwin32.mak will
have better macros, which link to explicit libraries only (not necessarily
avoid this noise, but to avoid link problems with the multiple flavors of
the c run-time libraries). to avoid this noise, just link to the explicit
libraries you need, like libcmt.lib kernel32.lib user32.lib ntdll.lib,
etc.

> 2) After *2* times installation to get Win32 compiler working, I have 
>    another BIG, BIG problem. I *CANNOT* run Windows app in my hard disk. 
..

sorry, i don't have a clue about this problem. you should get on the 
MSWin32 Compuserve forum, someone from Product Support Services might 
be able to help you better than i.
__
Lee Fisher, (not a spokesperson for) Microsoft Corp., Redmond, WA, USA
leefi@microsoft.com, {uunet,uw-beaver,sun,sco,decvax}!microsoft!leefi
From: jbs@Congruent.COM (Jeffrey Siegal)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Can I port a UNIX X11 app to NT?
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:25:14 GMT
	<3047@accucx.cc.ruu.nl>
Organization: Congruent Corporation; New York, NY
In-reply-to: nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl's message of 8 Sep 92 15:57:26 GMT

In article <3047@accucx.cc.ruu.nl> nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico E de Vries) writes:

   alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks) writes:

   >The functions you mention above should not be a problem - much
   >worse would be a heavy reliance on the semantics of fork(), or the
   >sequential order of handle assignments.

   The POSIX layer will solve this? Especially the fork() one of cource,
   I can't imagine much programs needing the other one.

Unfortunately, you can only use one Subsystems (POSIX, Win32, OS2 1.x
console mode) at a time, so if you use POSIX, you can't use any Win32
GUI or graphics API's.

Jeffrey Siegal
From: atam@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Alexander Tam)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: BIG troubleS in NT
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:31:44 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View


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From: leehart@microsoft.com (Lee Hart)
Subject: Re: Compuserve mswin32 & winnt libraries on ftp.uu.net
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:49:34 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Summary: Some files on Compuserve are out of date.

In article <JKF.92Sep11045034@frisky.Franz.COM>, jkf@Franz.COM (Sean Foderaro) writes:
>  I tried a few of the programs in these libraries and some of them
> (notably FGREPE.ZIP, HEXVU.ZIP) require base.dll which isn't part 
> of my system.  Is base.dll just an old name for a distributed nt dll?   

That's exactly it.  When I went through the libraries prior to making the
forum public, I deleted all files that were only executables, since they
would not run on the July release.  It was decided that leaving the other
files there was the best compromise, since (1) we didn't port them all and
(2) we didn't have the cycles to update them to build cleanly under the
July release.  The catalogs tell who uploaded the file, so you may want
to contact them and see if there is a newer version available.  You can send
mail to compuserve IDs by replacing the comma with a period and appending
@compuserve.com.  i.e. my CIS ID, 76150,2536 becomes 
76150.2536@compuserve.com

Lee Hart
MSWIN32 forum leader
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From: wlb@progress.COM (Warren Bare)
Subject: Hardware support not listed in FAQ
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:20:35 GMT

Howdy Folks (and Max the Facts -- no it does not rhyme but it is assonant):

  The most recent FAQ I was able to find does not list the
Media Vision Pro Audio Spectrum 16 sound board in the
supported list.  Has anyone tried it?

  I am really interested in using it with an NEC CDR-73
CD Drive through the built in SCSI controller.  Do we
know if this will work?

Thanks,
Warren

--
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Progress Software Corp.   Internet: Warren.Bare@progress.com
14 Oak Park                    FAX: 1 617 275 4595
Bedford, MA  01730
From: jyl@burgess.eng.sun.com (Jacob Levy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Q: Good communication program for Windows NT?
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:12:24
Organization: State Retirement Home for Retarded Slugs
Reply-To: jyl@toss.eng.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: burgess

OK. This is probably a FAQ. I'll get flamed.. Anyway:. I use Win100.zip for my
Windows 3.1 work. It works fine at 14.4KBPS. It seems that Win100.zip does
not work well under NT. So. Is there something that does work well AND has
a good VT100 or TVI925 emulation?

Many thanks for answers via email, --JYL
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From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: Can I port a UNIX X11 app to NT?
Date: 12 Sep 92 03:10:57 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <JBS.92Sep10192514@sun1.Congruent.COM> jbs@Congruent.COM (Jeffrey Siegal) writes:
>
>Unfortunately, you can only use one Subsystems (POSIX, Win32, OS2 1.x
>console mode) at a time, so if you use POSIX, you can't use any Win32
>GUI or graphics API's.

This is over simple, and mis-leading

The system can run multiple subsystems - a single process can only belong
to one subsystem, but an app can easily be made up of multiple communicating
processes from different subsystems - the GUI can be written to the Win32
API, and the guts of the app can be written to POSIX - that having been
said, for most people without heavy dependancies on fork(), the use of
pure Win32 API is most appealing with its extra functionality -- Alistair
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From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: Looking for rshd, telnetd, ftpd etc.
Date: 04 Sep 92 19:44:38 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

OK, enough. Let's keep this newsgroup productive, and out of the
realm of .advocacy debates

Multi-User/tty systems are useful
Remote Screen Access is useful
RPC & OLE2 & Cairo don't obviate other techniques

Windows NT does not include mutli-user/tty access nor remote GUI access,
at least in its first release. Both of these can be added, at least to
some extent, if a third party were to write the code

Who'd like to do this? -- Alistair
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From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: PE and lib format
Date: 13 Sep 92 19:43:48 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <JKF.92Sep11090642@frisky.Franz.COM> jkf@Franz.COM (Sean Foderaro) writes:
> I'd like to write some windowized browsers for NT .exe files and .lib files. 
>I can't find any .h files that describe the format of these files. 
>I'd appreciate a pointer to the correct include files or a published spec
>for these files.    

These formats will be made available - the .exe format is still in flux,
and will change at least once more during the pre-release program

-- Alistair
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From: jkf@Franz.COM (Sean Foderaro)
Subject: Re: Compuserve mswin32 & winnt libraries on ftp.uu.net
Organization: Franz Inc., Berkeley, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:50:34 GMT

 I tried a few of the programs in these libraries and some of them
(notably 
	
	FGREPE.ZIP/Bin  Bytes:  49686, Count:   45, 10-Jun-92
	HEXVU.ZIP/Bin   Bytes:  22026, Count:   37, 13-Apr-92
)

 require base.dll which isn't part of my system.  Is base.dll just 
an old name for a distributed nt dll?   


sean foderaro
jkf@franz.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: jkf@Franz.COM (Sean Foderaro)
Subject: Re: Warnings on link!
Organization: Franz Inc., Berkeley, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:07:40 GMT


>> Is there any way to turn off the "link" warnings about no modules extracted
>> from a library?

 I know what you're talking about.  The simplest solution is to 
use your own version of the nt.mak  makefile and specify only those libraries 
that you *need* rather than all the libraries.


-sean

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From: andrewgo@microsoft.com (J. Andrew Goossen)
Subject: Re: multiple threads per window?
Date: 14 Sep 92 04:54:09 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Sep13.012441.5140@microsoft.com> johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall) writes:
>In article bagwill@swe.ncsl.nist.gov (Bob &) writes:
>| If I wanted to write an application which used multiple threads
>| to draw a fractal in a window, which mechanisms should I use to
>| avoid screwing up the drawing?
>
>That depends.  If they are drawing on different portions of the
>screen (each thread takes a 1/4 slice of the window) then you
>need do nothing.  If the drawing is order dependent to the
>same pixel locations then take your pick:
>   semaphores, mutex's, critical sections, event's

GDI objects are shareable between threads in a process; however,
an object may be used by at most one thread at any one time.  
For example, if two threads make GDI calls to the same DC
at the same time, GDI will return an error to the second thread.

So it's up to the app to synchronize its use of GDI objects, using
whatever of the many synchronization mechanisms that NT provides
that they like.

In the above example, only if the app had split the screen into
different DC's covering distinct sections of the window, with each 
thread responsible for one DC, would the app not need to do 
synchronization with respect to GDI.

A better design is to have one thread doing all the drawing to
a DC, and the other threads doing the drawing computations.
Another way is to have multiple threads simultaneously constructing
a bitmap, and BitBlt the result when it's done.

It would be nice to allow threads to do true simultaneous drawing on 
a device.  Unfortunately, at some level all device access must be
serialized; things like hardware state and asynchronous pointer 
movement requires this.

While GDI objects are shareable between threads in a process, they
are not generally shareable between different processes.

andrewgo@microsoft.com        GDI person
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From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: Does NTFS support file archiving?
Date: 12 Sep 92 02:56:05 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Sep9.154817.6696@ncsu.edu> dspascha@eos.ncsu.edu (DAVID SCOTT PASCHAL) writes:
>
>Hi.  I was wondering if NTFS supports the file archiving feature available on
>VMS.  When you change a file it will save the original copy in the original 
>directory, but the new file will have a different version number, like
>FILENAME.DOC;1, FILENAME.DOC;2, etc.

No, that is not a feature of this release of NTFS -- Alistair
From: max@underg.UUCP (Max Cray)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Windows NT Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) - 09/92
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 01:17:34 EDT
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

kevin@edscom.demon.co.uk (Kevin Broadey) writes:

Thanks for the info.

> BTW  Max, any chance of you posting with an Internet FQDN in your email
> address?  My local mailer daemon choked on "UUCP" - unknown host" - and
> I don't know enough about cross-network messaging to work it out from
> your .signature.

Sorry. I anyone is trying to mail me with FAq info, you might try:

max%underg@uunet.uu.net   or  underg!max@underg.uu.net


                                          -= Max =-
...!uunet!underg!max
...!cactus.org!underg!max
From: mheller@genesis.nred.ma.us (Martin Heller)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: NT Boot Loader Warning - EISA Memory
Date: 8 Sep 92 05:25:36 GMT
Organization: Genesis Public Access Minix  +1 508 664 0149

In article <137670016@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mike-b@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Michael Bishop) writes:
>When the NT boot loader starts running on my system, I get
>the following warning message:
>
>  WARNING! - Incorrect EISA memory configuration information.
>	     Windows NT will use ISA memory configuration information.
>
>My machine is an EISA machine with 32 MBs of RAM.  Anyone know what 
>	      causes this message, or what action I should take to get rid of it?
>
>Thanks.	    
>
>Michael Bishop
>Hewlett-Packard Company
>Internet: mike-b@fc.hp.com
>

That message means that you should boot DOS and run your machine's
EISA setup program. Go into the "advanced" setup screen and tell it
how much memory you have. When you reboot NT should recognize your ISA
and EISA memory configurations as agreeing.
From: linas@hparc0.aus.hp.com (Linas Petras)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 00:56:39 GMT
Subject: Re: DDK Price too high??
Organization: HP Australasian Response Centre (Melbourne)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Distribution: na
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I would prefer the manuals on CD as well. 
-- 
Linas Petras
The comments are my own and do not represent	Hewlett-Packard Aust Ltd.
the views of my employeer			Phone: +61 3 895 2744
						Internet:linas@hparc0.aus.HP.COM
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From: tad@wrq.com (Tad Marshall)
Subject: Re: Running a app several times
Organization: Walker Richer & Quinn, Inc., Seattle, WA
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 19:59:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.011924.5002@microsoft.com> johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall) writes:
>Windows 3.1 will run multiple copies of the same app (fire up
>several copies of notepad, for example.)

It depends on the app.  Large model apps have multiple data segments, and
Windows will only let one instance of such an app run at a time.  Also, some
medium and small model apps decide that one copy is enough, and will quit
if started a second time -- try Control Panel, for example.

Tad Marshall
From: rose@galtee.cs.wisc.edu (Scott Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: CD-ROM Drives
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:44:17 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

>Mitsumi drive for $259 in a Fry's ad.  It says it comes with interface

that price is too high; compuadd and others have the same drive-- with
interface-- for $169.

>board and driver software.  I assume the driver software is for DOS.

right.

>Does NT have driver software for the CD-ROM drives mentioned in the
>hardware compatibility list?  Does it have one driver for each of those?
>Does that mean the Mitsumi won't work, unless one of those drivers happens
>to be compatible with it?

that's right, and none are.

>Which of those 8 brands is the best, fastest, most cost effective, etc.?
>I noticed the CD Technology coupon mentions 325 ms access time, but I
>also noticed some other brand somewhere mentioned 280 ms access time,
>and 300 KB/s transfer rate.  Is that 300 KBytes or Kbits?  What is the

bytes.

>transfer rate of the CD Technology drive?  I noticed the slowest drives
>seem to be 150 KB/s.

right.  and the mitsumi drive has access time of 850ms.

>The CD Technology coupon mentions an adapter for $100, and a parallel
>port adapter for $120.  Will both of those work with the SDK?  Are

don't know, suspect not, but you can ask them that directly-- the phone number
on the card can be used to talk to an actual human being (!) with, in my
experience, less than the big-part-of-an-hour-on-hold that seems to be the
new industry standard for customer service.

>they SCSI or what?  Are there any problems using the parallel port?
>They say allow 2-4 weeks for delivery.  Does it really take that long?

they told me two days to process, then they mail it some way that takes up
to seven days... which makes the $25 they charge for shipping seem a bit steep.
the news is that they appear to have the drives in stock.  unless they were
clever and evil enough to detect from my query that my order was contingent
upon an answer much like the one i got from them, and told me what i wanted to
hear.  (yes, i ordered one).
From: bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: NT-Compliant Hardware?
Date: 5 Sep 92 09:43:00 GMT
Reply-To: bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434

I'm about to order the preliminary NT SDK, am going to have to order
some hardware to go with it, and am currently agonizing over several
messages I've seen here that indicate I might have more troubles than
I bargained for.  Help!

I'm using a Gateway 486/50 ISA-bus PC with 16MB of RAM.  It has a 320MB
SCSI drive (Maxtor, I think) connected to an UltraStor 14F 16-bit
SCSI-2 controller.  (I believe the EISA-based Gateway 486/50 also uses
an UltraStor SCSI adapter, but a different model - one that handles EISA
bus connections.)  The PC also has dual Bernoulli drives connected to a
Bernoulli SCSI controller (which has a special connector on it - there
appears to be no way to connect either my Bernoulli drives to the
UltraStor 14F adapter or my hard disk to the Bernoulli adapter).
I have no CD-ROM drive at the moment, and will have to purchase one.

I see two problems, here.  Neither the UltraStor 14F nor the Bernoulli
SCSI adapter is on the current NT compatibility list, and a recent
message here stated that the current version of NT does not support
multiple SCSI adapters.

1) Has anybody tried adding a CD-ROM to an UltraStor 14F adapter?
The UltraStor SCSI adapter shipped with the EISA version of the
Gateway 486/50?  What are the odds that this would work?

2) Has anybody tried running NT using an UltraStor 14F adapter?  Any
version of UltraStor SCSI adapter?

3) If I ordered an NT-compatible CD-ROM complete with its own (NT-
compatible) SCSI controller, moved the Maxtor hard disk over to
it, and set aside the UltraStor 14F, would that work?  Would I lose
the files that are currently on the Maxtor in the process?  (Trust
me - I'll back that puppy up first in any case <grin>)

4) (and I realize that the folks who are able to answer this question
may not be allowed to answer it just now) What are the odds that the
current "single SCSI controller" limit will be lifted by the next
release of the SDK?  Are my Bernoulli drives doomed?

(The first porting effort will be to port our freeware Winfract 
fractal generator over to the NT environment.)

                   Bert Tyler   (bert.tyler@satalink.com)
---
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From: edwardj@microsoft.com (Edward Jung)
Subject: Re: Does NTFS support file archiving?
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:26:58 GMT
Organization: Strategy Division, Microsoft Corp.

DAVID SCOTT PASCHAL writes:

>Hi.  I was wondering if NTFS supports the file archiving feature available on
>VMS.  When you change a file it will save the original copy in the original 
>directory, but the new file will have a different version number, like
>FILENAME.DOC;1, FILENAME.DOC;2, etc.

A future file system will support versioning and transactions.
Currently NTFS does not perform automatic versioning.

--
Edward Jung, Microsoft Corp.     edwardj@microsoft.com
Advanced Systems
From: timmermanns@zel780.dnet.kfa-juelich.de (Helmut Timmermanns)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: NO KBD during WIN-NT install on PS/2 mod 95
Date: 9 Sep 92 09:20:32 GMT
Organization: KFA Juelich - Zentrallabor fuer Elektronik


On an IBM PS2 model XP95 the kbd "goes away" as soon as the installation
switches to graphic mode. Only beeps and wrong characters. No chance to 
enter the name or company or anything else. And of course no chance to 
continue the installation procedure. :-(

Any suggestions, hints, tips? Any help is welcome. Thanks in advance

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From: jkf@Franz.COM (Sean Foderaro)
Subject: Re: sockets api in NT SDK?
Organization: Franz Inc., Berkeley, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:08:38 GMT

 Look for the winsock directory on the cd.  There is a huge document 
on sockets. 
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From: johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall)
Subject: Re: NT bug!
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:16:24 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article martin@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
| Hi all,
|   I have a windows NT bug! It is not possible to shutdown a windows NT
| system without logging in! It would be useful if the login screen also had
| a button to shutdown the system.
| 

First, right or wrong this isn't a bug but a feature.  We may
disagree with the desireability of the feature, though.

What if someone has programs (services) running on the machine?
What if it is a server or control system monitor?

No, I don't think you want just anyone shutting off a powerful
computing system.  Someone installing a 16 processor Sequent
running NT might get highly annoyed if there was simply a button
to kill the machine.

-- 
-------------------------
My comments are my own.  They are independent and unrelated to the
views of my company , relatives or elected representatives.
From: bagwill@swe.ncsl.nist.gov (Bob &)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: multiple threads per window?
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:19:02 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks) writes:
: In article <5449@dove.nist.gov> bagwill@swe.ncsl.nist.gov (Bob &) writes:
: >Am I correct in assuming you can have at most one thread
: >issuing WIN32 calls per window?
: 
: No, you're quite wrong
: 
: Any thread in a process can make Win32 calls at any time to any window
: which that process has access to -- Alistair

Then let me ask another question...

If I wanted to write an application which used multiple threads
to draw a fractal in a window, which mechanisms should I use to
avoid screwing up the drawing?

--
Bob Bagwill	NIST/Computer Systems Lab/Distributed Systems Engineering Group
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From: dnslms@cco.caltech.edu (David N. Shenton)
Subject: Re: NT Boot Loader Warning - EISA Memory
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:30:19 GMT

You need to run EISA config utility program, the one you probably received
with your machine, as I did. Set the amount of RAM memory there and the 
problem will go away.

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