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From: wab@well.sf.ca.us (Doc Benzene)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: SFPD Homophobic Cop
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:11:48 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Hell Hole, Inc.


Just FYI, I had a really nasty confrontation with a San
Francisco cop while campaigning for Terry Hallinan last
weekend.  He made a homophobic jibe about Hallinan while
walking his beat and then basically got in my face when I
replied with a comment about sensitivity training.  No, it
doesn't surprise me that SF has queer-hating cops, but for a
cop to harass someone engaged in strict political speech is a
bit much.  He's a short, stocky white cop with a moustache and
dark hair, badge number 24.  He regularly works the Haight
(it's possible he picked me out because I'm around the Haight
a lot).  I'd be interested to hear of any other homophobic
comments encounters with this guy because I'm definitely
filing a complaint against him.
From: mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: AB2601
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:22:43 GMT
Followup-To: ba.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <qe5h6f0@zola.esd.sgi.com>, portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com
(Michael Portuesi) wrote:
> 
> 
> In article <1992Sep27.091429.2198@kithrup.COM>, sef@kithrup.COM writes:
> > The Merky news said in today's paper that AB2601 has been
> > signed by Wilson.
> > 
> > I'm not sure about all of the details about it, but I do
> > know this must be making Clayton and his ilk frothing
> > at the mouth, so it can't be all bad.
> 
> 
> I'd prefer being happy about the bill because it is a good
> thing, not because it makes Clayton or anyone else upset.

And in fact, it's a Bad Thing that it makes Clayton and Others upset,
as now they will mount an effort to reverse it.  Such reversals have
happened before (and will, no doubt, happen again).  But for now, it
represents a job well down by those who pushed for it.  

Nice job, guys and gals.


Matthew Melmon
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: dgreen@sti.com (Dan R. Greening)
Subject: AB 2601 Interpretation?
Organization: Software Transformation, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:54:43 GMT

john@zygot.ati.com (John Higdon) wrote:
> michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane) writes:

>>what choice did he have? how many years in a row do you think that he
>>could get away with vetoing this thing?
>
>I think that is a bit harsh. He could have easily vetoed it. Right now,
>I do not think that Wilson believes that signing that or any other bill
>would garner him many brownie points. And in case you don't know it, he
>has been enforcing a defacto version of that bill (by executive order)
>for the past year. This law now codifies what the governor has been
>encouraging all along.

I also think he could have easily vetoed it.

I've gone through the motions of Wilson's defacto AB 2601, and while
the approach (going through the state labor commission rather than the
fair employment commission) has flaws, I think it was being honestly
enforced.  I am not a Wilson supporter, however my feelings toward him
improved considerably since that experience and his signing of 2601.

The problems with the previous policy were

  1. No one knew whether it would be possible to successfully bring a
     civil suit under existing case-law.  AB 2601 corrected that problem,
     if I understand it, by explicitly providing for civil suits.

  2. It was not codified in law, but in an interpretation that stating you
     were gay was a form of political speech.

  3. Because it was based on protected political speech, if an
     employer found out you were gay by some other means than you stating
     it, your employer could fire you (or not hire you).  I.e., you have
     to be out to be protected.

I am curious whether AB 2601 has corrected #2 and #3.  Anybody know?
-- 
____
\  /Dan Greening    Software Transformation   1601 Saratoga-Sunnyvale Rd, #100
 \/dgreen@sti.com   (408) 973-8081 x313       Cupertino, CA 95014
Newsgroups: ba.motss,soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Lesbian/Gay Chorus of San Francisco concert October 23 and 24.
Followup-To: ba.motss
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:56:56 GMT

The Lesbian/Gay Chorus of San Francisco will give its next concert on
Friday, October 23 at the First Unitarian Church in Oakland (14th at
Castro) and on Saturday, October 24 at the Metropolitan Community Church in
San Francisco (150 Eureka). 

Tickets are $10 in advance or $12 at the door, and are available at
Headlines in San Francisco, Boadecia's in Kensington, and Mama Bears in
Oakland. 

It's classical music, and a good selection.  You won't see me on stage,
though - I'm sitting this one out. 
 
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Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: schiles@valentine.us.oracle.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Subject: Re: Call the Office of the Governor in Oregon - No on 9
Reply-To: schiles@us.oracle.com
Organization: Office Automation Division
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:48:20 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <m0mZRlZ-00013eC@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>,
wje00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Warren Jay Eggly) writes:
|>Call the Office of the Governor in Oregon - No on 9
|>
|>I just got off the phone with the Oregon Governors office. They are
compiling a 
|>tally of the numbers of calls they are getting about Measure 9. Please call 
|>them and tell them you are not in support of Measure 9. It does not
mater where 
|>you are from. The number of the Governor is 
|>
|>		In Oregon      800-378-3111
|>		Outside Oregon 508-378-3111
|>

	The area code for Oregon is 503, not 508.  

	Please call -- I hope and pray that if we can stop the bigotry now,
perhaps it won't
	spread to the rest of the country.


	Suzanne (a former Oregonian)

|>eggs
           
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		      Honor Diversity
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From: jdn@europa.Eng.Sun.COM (Jeff Nisewanger)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: NCOD shirts?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 23:41:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: europa

	Does anyone know of where I might buy National Coming Out Day
T-shirts?



--
Jeff Nisewanger                         ARPA: jdn@Eng.Sun.COM
Window Systems Group                    UUCP: ...!sun!jdn
SunSoft, Inc.                           415/336-5743

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From: jct@mips.com (Chris Thomas)
Newsgroups: ba.motss,soc.motss,su.gay
Subject: ba.motss South Bay / Peninsula dinner announcement
Date: 29 Sep 1992 19:42:58 GMT
Organization: Mips Technologies, Inc.
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: twink.mti.sgi.com

	When:	Sunday, October 11, 1992
	Where:	Shoreline Park
		Mountain View
	Time:	4:00 pm - dusk
	RSVPs:	Not needed for this event

	October 11th is National Coming Out Day, and we'll celebrate
	with our 3rd Annual Picnic in the Park!  Join us for dinner,
	recreation, and fun!  Here's what you need to know:

	-  No cooking is allowed in the park, so bring your food in
	   whatever state of doneness you want to eat it!

	-  Alcoholic beverages aren't allowed.  (The park's rule,
	   not mine....)

	We'll meet at or near our "usual" spot on the Bay side of
	the recreation lake.  If you need directions to the park, or
	have other questions, drop me a line.

	Invite a friend... newcomers always welcome!

-- 
Chris Thomas                                                (415) 390-4118
S4/7 b g+ l y+ z+ n+ o+ x-/+ a++ u v-/+ j++                jct@mti.sgi.com

Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: The Gap stores
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: 28 Sep 92 07:09:24 GMT

solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

>Well, remember this: only five U.S. governors have signed laws barring
>discrimination against gays. Wilson is one of them.

what choice did he have? how many years in a row do you think that he
could get away with vetoing this thing?

>I say, give the big lug a break.

i don't have enough respect or faith in the guy anymore to give him
more breaks. i try not to be a single issue person, but with wilson,
who needs to be? get out your scorecard; he has alienated so many
groups that it's hard to keep track of them all and what set them off.
he seems to have vastly exceeded his quota of breaks...

>(Just by way of contrast: sodomy is still illegal in Arkansas, but I
>know lots of gays who practically worship that state's governor...)

a governor's job is more than just making sodomy legal; are the laws
there enforced anyway? has the arkansas governor even had the luxury
of an *opportunity* to sign a bill (let alone *veto* it).  i'm just
not comfortable contrasting arkansas on the basis of their sodomy
laws. i can't see california as being much better; look how much
trouble it took to get a bill to the governor's desk at all and the
trouble it took to get the guy to sign the damn thing...

i guess that the bottom line is that i'm not ready to give wilson any
credit for anything; he's lost his credibility with me (and judging
from the polls, most of the rest of californians, too). sigh...

--mike
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Just saw "Enchanted April"
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:27:22 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Xiola Blue

Rod Williams writes:

>> pauli@uniblab.asd.sgi.com (Paul Isaacs) writes:

>>Well, I saw "Enchanged April" on Sunday with my lover.
>>As a result, I would like to spend a weekend in the country north of
>>San Francisco.

>I know there's a logical connection here somewhere.  A movie
>about a bunch of bored English ladies renting a house in Italy
>in April motivates a couple of bored (?) American queers to
>weekend in Northern California in October.  Give me a couple
>of days, I'll figure it out.  Maybe I should see the movie...

I'm confused.  I can't tell whether Rod should get a Cabal_Card for
following-up with a slightly vitriolic, get-a-clue response or if
in fact his Card should be revoked for not getting the connection
immediately.
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

i'm your girl            friend
i'm your squirrel        friend
i'm your round the world friend

cruising: vidi, vici, veni.
From: portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: AB2601
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:06:36 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA


In article <1992Sep27.091429.2198@kithrup.COM>, sef@kithrup.COM writes:
> The Merky news said in today's paper that AB2601 has been
> signed by Wilson.
> 
> I'm not sure about all of the details about it, but I do
> know this must be making Clayton and his ilk frothing
> at the mouth, so it can't be all bad.


I'd prefer being happy about the bill because it is a good
thing, not because it makes Clayton or anyone else upset.

--
Michael Portuesi   Silicon Graphics, Inc.   portuesi@sgi.com
From: AS.ALH@forsythe.stanford.edu (andrew harker)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Just saw 'Enchanted April'
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:50:39 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA

In article <72943@apple.Apple.COM>,
stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson) writes:
>rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>>> pauli@uniblab.asd.sgi.com (Paul Isaacs) writes:
>>
>>>Well, I saw "Enchanged April" on Sunday with my lover.
>>>As a result, I would like to spend a weekend in the country north of
>>>San Francisco.
>>
>>--
>I believe the country north of San Francisco is Canada.
>The referendum was about dividing California into States, not Countries!

Actually, if you look at the issue from a historical perspective,
there was, in fact, the country of Jefferson north of San Fran,
if I remember right.  Sometime in the early 20th Century (or maybe
it was the latter part of the 19th century), some counties
seceded from the US in protest of something, but never got anyone's
attention.

But then again, my memory could be wrong, and this could have no
material motss relevance.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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(415) 723-8072                        Stop me from drowning,
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From: black@sybase.com (Christina Black)
Newsgroups: ba.motss,soc.motss
Subject: Clinton and "Special Privileges"
Date: 25 Sep 92 16:46:49 GMT
Distribution: usa

There's been discussion here and elsewhere about Clinton supposedly saying
that he doesn't believe in "special privileges" for gay and lesbian people.
Here's some info on that:

From the September 24th BAR (a Bay Area gay newspaper):

--------------- begin inclusion -----------------

_Clinton "Homosexual Lifestyle" Quote Misreported, Say Backers_

[...]

"[Clinton] didn't say that," [Terry] Bean [a board member of ther Human Rights
Campaign Fund] said.  "My understanding is that he was asked a bunch of
questions that used the OCA terminology and he responded that he didn't
believe in affirmative action and then went on to explain how strongly he
feels about discrimination.   That was turned around by the reporter and then
the quote was picked up elsewhere.  The _Oregonian_ reported how somebody had
twisted his words around."

[...]

--------------- end inclusion -----------------

-- Chris
black@sybase.com

PS  The radical right clearly doesn't understand us.  If we were going to ask
for special rights, we'd think of something better than being allowed into the
military or even getting quotas.  Something like a buff-er Supreme Court (and
*dump* those dowdy robes, girls -- they are *tired*!) or federally-funded tea
dances (in these troubled economic times, only the first two drinks would be
subsidized).  Oh yes, and cats and pickup trucks would count as dependents for 
tax purposes.
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Can't Touch This
Date: 4 Oct 1992 14:25:46 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <mcmelmon-300992090958@mcmelmon.apple.com> 
mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
| In article <1a7l62INNtd@mizar.usc.edu>, 
| adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) wrote:
| 
| > No, I never promised that.  I promised to ignore you.

Why can't I keep my word?

| > If the Girl Scouts/Brownies really "don't seem to find it necessary
| > to *openly* exlcude lesbians" [my emphasis], that must be because 
| > their covert campaign to exclude lesbians is satisfactory.  No?
|
| You got me.

Heavens, Melmoth, I was trying to point out how what
you wrote assumes that the Girl Scouts exclude lesbians.

| ...  I suppose The Question is:  are there any 
| openly (as opposed to covertly) lesbian Girl Scout leaders or aren't
| there?

I haven't any idea, and, what's more, I couldn't
care less.  Anyone who'd want to join the scouting
movement in any capacity deserves whatever treatment
they get there.

Arne
From: pauli@uniblab.asd.sgi.com (Paul Isaacs)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Just saw "Enchanted April"
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:49:22 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniblab.asd.sgi.com

Well, I saw "Enchanged April" on Sunday with my lover.
As a result, I would like to spend a weekend in the country north of
San Francisco.

Does anyone know of a good, gay or gay-friendly, bed and breakfast in
the country north of San Francisco?  From what I hear, Mendocino is very
nice; but this comes from straight friends who might be oblivious to what life
is like as a gay couple. 

pauli.
--
      "[the Iowa equal rights amendment for women is part of a feminist agenda
       that is] a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages 
       women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft,
       destroy capitalism and become lesbians"  - Pat Robertson
Newsgroups: ba.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Just saw "Enchanted April"
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:10:53 GMT

> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
>> Rod Williams writes:
>>> pauli@uniblab.asd.sgi.com (Paul Isaacs) writes:

>>>Well, I saw "Enchanged April" on Sunday with my lover.
>>>As a result, I would like to spend a weekend in the country north of
>>>San Francisco.
>
>>I know there's a logical connection here somewhere.  A movie
>>about a bunch of bored English ladies renting a house in Italy
>>in April motivates a couple of bored (?) American queers to
>>weekend in Northern California in October.  Give me a couple
>>of days, I'll figure it out.  Maybe I should see the movie...
>
>I'm confused.  I can't tell whether Rod should get a Cabal_Card for
>following-up with a slightly vitriolic, get-a-clue response or if
>in fact his Card should be revoked for not getting the connection
>immediately.

I sent pauli the smiley-face in a separate mailing.  There
isn't a drop of vitriol in this body.  Here, have a few more...

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

(Can I keep the card?)
-- 
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From: jav@rhiannon.sitka.sun.com (Joyce Vanderpoorten)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Gay in the Workplace Workshop
Date: 5 Oct 1992 15:48:45 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jav@rhiannon.sitka.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: rhiannon.sitka.sun.com


I noticed that the 2nd Annual 'Gay in the Workplace' workshop
happened this weekend (am I correct)?  Did anyone out there attend?
I went last year but could not attend this year - how was it?

Joyce
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Gay in the Workplace Workshop
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:53:54 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco

> jav@rhiannon.sitka.sun.com writes:

>I noticed that the 2nd Annual 'Gay in the Workplace' workshop
>happened this weekend (am I correct)?  Did anyone out there attend?
>I went last year but could not attend this year - how was it?

As a member of the steering committee, I can't be expected to
give an unbiased answer!  But I think it was a success.  We
had about 300 attendees, and the feedback I got in person, and
saw on evaluation forms, was excellent.  I was also delighted
with  the Stanford campus, and how well their facilities worked
for the conference format.  And the weather cooperated -- it
was a perfect, warm, sunny day, in the low 80s, much appreciated
by a workshop facilitator who flew in from 36-degree New
Hampshire!

Because of the numerous different workshops, people probably
left with very different experiences and "messages."  I
attended two workshops on (1) sexism/racism in the G/L/B
community and (2) building alliances with other oppressed
communities.  Since both of our keynote speakers also stressed
the importance of building alliances, that was definitely the
message I came away with, and plan to work on.

I'd really like to hear other attendees' opinions and experiences...
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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Can't Touch This
Date: 28 Sep 1992 12:07:46 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <72833@apple.Apple.COM> 
mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>
> >You're so right.  Covert discrimination is so much nicer and, well,
> >*fuzzier* and more *Republican* than open discrimination.  
>
> Dolphie had promised that I had been granted a spot in his kill file,
> but that seems to not be the case.  

No, I never promised that.  I promised to ignore you.

> In any event, I imagine what he
> is trying to say is that the Girl Scouts are covertly anti-lesbian.

Well, no, that isn't what *I* was trying to say.  It is what 
*you* wrote in article <mcmelmon-240992100831@mcmelmon.apple.com>:

> And it is also a good point that the Girl Scouts/Brownies 
> don't seem to find it necessary to openly exlcude lesbians.  

One can include lesbians.
One can exclude lesbians.
  One can exclude lesbians openly.
  One can exclude lesbians covertly.

If the Girl Scouts/Brownies really "don't seem to find it necessary
to *openly* exlcude lesbians" [my emphasis], that must be because 
their covert campaign to exclude lesbians is satisfactory.  No?

> Anyway, Dolphie Dearest, is your point that the homosexual community
> is not doing enough in it's efforts against the scouting community,
> and that the Girl Scouts need to be brought into this unfortunate
> war as well? Or, is your point to show that you can type, and do 
> therefore exist?

I think that any group that accepts public funding should, at
a minimum, comply with the law, which includes civil rights
laws.  If the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts want to prohibit gay/lesbian
scouts, leaders, etc., then they should pay for themselves and
stop begging for special favors.

Arne
From: pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Re: Just saw "Enchanted April"
Date: 29 Sep 1992 18:37:03 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniblab.asd.sgi.com

In article <1992Sep29.174156.23400@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>> pauli@uniblab.asd.sgi.com (Paul Isaacs) writes:
>
>>Well, I saw "Enchanged April" on Sunday with my lover.
>>As a result, I would like to spend a weekend in the country north of
>>San Francisco.
>
>I know there's a logical connection here somewhere.  A movie
>about a bunch of bored English ladies renting a house in Italy
>in April motivates a couple of bored (?) American queers to
>weekend in Northern California in October.  Give me a couple
>of days, I'll figure it out.  Maybe I should see the movie...

Oh, no. Don't see the movie. It's much more fun listening to you blither on
when you have no idea what you are talking about.

pauli.
From: wje00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Warren Jay Eggly)
Newsgroups: ba.motss
Subject: Call the Office of the Governor in Oregon - No on 9
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:32:59 GMT
Return-Path: <@juts.ccc.amdahl.com:wje00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>

Call the Office of the Governor in Oregon - No on 9

I just got off the phone with the Oregon Governors office. They are compiling a 
tally of the numbers of calls they are getting about Measure 9. Please call 
them and tell them you are not in support of Measure 9. It does not mater where 
you are from. The number of the Governor is 

		In Oregon      800-378-3111
		Outside Oregon 508-378-3111

eggs