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From: ke9si@gator.rn.com (Ted Schafer)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: INFO ON JOBS IN NORTH AND SOUTH CAROLINA:WANTED
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:41:11 GMT
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site

HI 
  IAM A FIELD SERVICE ENGINEER WITH 14 YEARS IN THE BUSINESS. I WOULD
LIKE ANY INFO ON JOBS IN NORTH AND SOUTH CAROLINA.IAM NOW WORKING WITH
PRIME COMPUTER SEVICE.I HAVE ASK FOR A TRANSFER WITH PRIME WITH NO SUCCESS.
                                        THANKS
                                        TED SCHAFER

--
Ted Schafer
The Gator
219-289-0777/317-251-7391
internet: ke9si@gator.rn.com
uucp: ..!uunet!nstar!ke9si
From: couell@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kenneth F. Couell)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: has anyone heard of a program called menuet?
Date: 11 Apr 92 05:25:50 GMT
Organization: UB

A question for the net:
  Has anybody ever heard of a program called menuet?? There was a job
  posting at the company I work for and this was one of the requirements.
  Nobody that I talked to in my company knew what it was or they wouldn't
  give a straight answer to what it was.  

  Any information on this program would be greatly appreciated(sp).

  I have a feeling that the job description was written directly from
  somebody's resume and the job posting was just a formality.

thanks in advance,
   ken couell

email: couell@acsu.buffalo.edu
From: zwicky@erg.sri.com (Elizabeth Zwicky)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Drug testing by U.S. government contractors
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:56:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: erg.1992Apr8.155604.16764
Distribution: usa
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

In article <1992Apr7.012849.6297@sed.stel.com> jon@sed.stel.com (Jon Radel) writes:
>A recent e-mail note from somebody responding to an offer I recently
>posted to misc.jobs.offered, in which I mentioned that pre-employment
>drug testing was mandatory, leads me to believe that at least some
>people who feel strongly about the matter are unaware that contractors
>working for the U.S. government don't necessarily have a choice in the
>matter.  

The government requires contractors to take action to curb drug use
within the company. Drug testing is not the only way that can be done
to the government's satisfaction; putting into place a system which
educates all employees about how to detect drug and alcohol problems,
and a program to deal with them when detected is perfectly acceptable.
Trust me, I work for a government contractor. For that matter, drug
tests are not a routine part of the security clearance process. Drug
tests are a quick, off-the-shelf way to meet the requirement, but a
company that cares more about work quality than being able to check
off boxes on government requirements is perfectly able to use methods
that are less invasive and more effective. 

	Elizabeth D. Zwicky
	zwicky@erg.sri.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: CFD : creation of new newsgroup : misc.jobs.offered.entrylevel
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:26:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: pyramid.180913
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1880@ra.nrl.navy.mil> ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) writes:
>I am inclined to vote "no" at this point because a lot of the
>jobs would be cross-posted misc.jobs.offered and discussions
>would start and polute misc.jobs.offered.
>
>The majority of the readers would be people who near graduation
>and discover a newsgroup so post a followup without considering
>what the group is for.
>
    Maybe we could name the group appropriately for the reading
    comprehension level of the new graduates as evidenced by the
    continuous postings on the EXISTING jobs-offered board.

    Actually I would be for ANYTHING that would take all their
    whining, crybaby, "world owes me a living" type postings
    and place them where at least you would have a warning that you
    are about to enter a board where the posters CAN'T READ, can't
    follow directions, CAN'T EVEN GUESS HOW TO POST FROM THE NAME
    OF THE !@#$!@#$ BOARD, and are so obviously socially inept that
    it is a miracle most of them EVER get gainful employment.

>I have sent messages to several posters and the general reaction
>has been "Who cares what it is for" or "I can't bothre to cancel
>my article" although I have got a few questions on how to
>cancel an article.  It seems that on some newsreaders
>this feature is disabled and others are posted by a newsreader
>through mail and do not have the capability to cancel.

    No, I would have to say that the typical poster of a whining
    complaint or a resume on misc.jobs.offered is so certain that
    the world owes them a living...and that they are gonna force the
    world to fit their infantile fantasies that they really don't
    CARE about anything but their own selfish selves...

    NOTE that this is not a condemnation of new grads....just the
    crybabies who still haven't gotten the message that NOBODY is
    gonna just wave a magic wand and give them everything they
    desire.
From: 527mathers@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Method of mailing resume
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:10:40 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University



I was just wondering what the proper method of mailing a resume and
a cover letter is.  For instance, would it be acceptable to fold the
documents into thirds and send in a standard letter envelope.  Or
is it better to send it in a brown large envelope with a clasp on the
back.  I have had troubles finding large, semi-inexpensive envelopes
that you can just seal shut.

Any responses would be appreciated!

Mark
From: zaval@athena.mit.edu (Antonis)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: AMWAY ?
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:49:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr14.014922.16373
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology

I remember some time ago there was a heated debate on AMWAY and
some controversy around it. Could somebody where I can find info on AMWAY
or best is there an *.jobs.* archive so I could dig out relevant articles?


Thanks
Antonis Zavaliangos
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: bonney@esds.mdc.com (Greg Bonney)
Subject: Re: Drug testing by U.S. government contractors
Organization: Visual Simulation Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:01:41 GMT

In article <3227@calypso.tegra.COM> msaleski@tegra.COM (Mark Saleski) writes:
>    i would guess that most people who object to a drug screen are not afraid
>    that they're going to fail the test...although false positives are truly
>    something to be frightened of...

I'm sure you're right, but that wasn't my point.  What I meant is that,
assuming you're not going to fail, why limit yourself?

>
>    'high principles' or not, i'm not interested in working for a company who trusts
>    me so little as to require such a test...

A company is not an individual with the capability to trust or not trust.  
In a large company, policies are set at the corporate level, but attitudes,
ideas, work-habits, etc. vary from division to division, from department to
department, etc.  You should be much more concerned with the atmosphere in the
specific department/group you're interviewing with.  You could be working for
the best company in the world, but that doesn't garrantee you'll like your job
or the people you have to work with.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: cmartin@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Charles Martin)
Subject: Re: The best companies to work for in CS
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 07:36:18 GMT

In article <180996@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>In article <92099.162554PDLBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> PDLBH@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>>What would be the best companies to work for in CS beside the traditional
>>IBM, Microsoft, DEC ...? I'm interested in the medium to small size companies.
>
>   If you are looking for fun, action, and adventure, get a phone
>   book or business directory from these areas.  There are literally
>   hundreds of small high-tech companies in each of them...and IMHO
>   you get more challenges than the average employee at the giants.
>
>   Raleigh-Durham North Carolina
>
>   San Jose/Sunnyvale Calif.
>
>   Orange County, Calif.
>
>   LA West Calif...also Marina Del Rey, Manhattan Beach....the
>   Torrance directory is good for most of these.
>
>   Santa Cruz CA.  
>
>   Boston MASS.  Have heard rumors somebody actually got HIRED up
>		 there last week.  >:-)
>
>   Phoenix, AZ
>
>   Dallas Tx
>
>   Austin Tx
>
>   Chicago
>
>There are even the semi-giants like Amdahl, Sun, Cray, Tandem,
>Silicon Graphics, etc.   And I think Pyramid is a nice place
>to work.  
>
Don't forget Bellevue, WA and Redmond, WA.  They're both on the other side
of Lake Washington from Seattle (the area is called the Eastside).  Those
two cities, along with Seattle, are home to over 150 software companies.
Some are big (Microsoft, Aldus, Boeing Computer Services), medium (hDc,
Assymetrix), and most are small but growing (fast!).  I work for Adonis
(creator of Window Shopper).  We only have 10 programmers now, but we've
just hired eight people and we're moving to a bigger building.

The moral of the story is to look at the dinosaurs last.  The small com-
panies are where the action is.
-- 
			     Chuck Martin
			cmartin@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu

One of these days, I'll think of something clever to put in here.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: klg@statsci.com (Kevin L. Gross)
Subject: Re: CFD : creation of new newsgroup : misc.jobs.offered.entrylevel
Reply-To: klg@statsci.com (Kevin L. Gross)
Organization: Statistical Sciences, Inc
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:13:50 GMT

russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes:

   In article <180913@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
   
   >    Actually I would be for ANYTHING that would take all their
   >    whining, crybaby, "world owes me a living" type postings
   >    and place them where at least you would have a warning that you
   >    are about to enter a board where the posters CAN'T READ, can't
   >    follow directions, CAN'T EVEN GUESS HOW TO POST FROM THE NAME
   >    OF THE !@#$!@#$ BOARD, and are so obviously socially inept that
   >    it is a miracle most of them EVER get gainful employment.
   
   Hmm.  Interesting.  If social ineptitude is a major factor, I'd guess
   there will soon be an opening at Pyramid Technology.  Of course, we
   will all be informed that "This is not an entry level potition, no
   recent grads need apply".
   -- 
   Matthew T. Russotto	russotto@eng.umd.edu	russotto@wam.umd.edu
   Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
   Just say NO to police searches and seizures.  Make them use force.
   (not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)

Oh, I see, just because he speaks his mind about his strong feelings
regarding the selfish, inconsiderate behaviour of others makes him
socially inept. While what your response was MUCH better, much calmer.

That is easier to swallow if you are on the receiving end. Sheesh.
-- 
-Kevin L. Gross          klg@statsci.com           Disclaim THIS: 
  "This doggerel that flows from my pen, has just been written by
   another twenty telepathic men...that's the spirit of the age."
                                           -Hawkwind (R. Calvert)
From: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Flames in misc.jobs.offered
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:02:12 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Apr14.184533.14346@pmafire.inel.gov> geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen) writes:
>
>I've often wondered what sort of mail a person gets who posts a resume
>to misc.jobs.offered.  It must be potent stuff, because a contrite
>apology usually follows the resume rather quickly.
>
   Dunno, but if I made a boo-boo and posted in error, the LAST
   thing I would do is to post again and give readers TWO chances to
   remember my name... >:-)   

>What sort of things to people say to these errant posters?  (I could
>always set up a false account and post a fake resume, but asking seems a
>nicer way to satisfy my curiousity. ;^) )
>
   About the same kind of respect you see in public...
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: steven@ymt.com (Steven Warwick)
Subject: Re: CFD : creation of new newsgroup : misc.jobs.offered.entrylevel
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:39:21 GMT

I believe that mjo should be made as simple and courteuos for
companies posting offers as possible. The thought of flaming a company
for offering a job, because they choose make their perceived
requirements public is actually funny.  If I were in the position to
offer anyone a job, the last place I would advertise is in a place
where I would be publically criticized.  If an entry level group is
created, I can see this happening even more than it is now. Instead of
being criticized for NOT having entry level positions ( foolish enough
) companies will now have the additional option of being criticized
for placing their ad in the wrong group ( even more foolish ). Why
bite the hand that feeds us?

Serious companies and recruting firms are particularly sucessful at
restricting their postings to the mjo group with altogether excellent
conformance to title standards and a clear, professional statement of
requirements.  Much less can be said about job seekers, who can't seem
to keep their comments ( resumes, beer cans, dirty socks, etc. )
out of the mjo group. Again, there is more problem with unprofessional
job seekers than with companies offering jobs!

I would strongly suggest that we forget the creation of a seperate
entry-level offered group.

If companies are particularly interested in entry level, they can
indicate on the note title, and state pay ranges appropriate for entry
level.

To appease our collegues who are graduating, perhaps a group for entry
level resumes would be more appropriate.  ( Personally, I am
uncomfortable posting my resume to the world, but this is probably a
personality quirk )
From: manuel@cs.tut.fi (Manuel Socarras)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Recent Grads need not apply
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:47:09 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Originator: manuel@naakka.cs.tut.fi

Yesterday I was browsing an old Newsweek magazine while washing my
clothes and found a very interesting article concerned this topic:
What is Japan's hottest product ? College grads, September 16,1991,
Page 40, Kay Itoi with Bill Powell).

Because I don't know if it's legal to reproduce it here I'm only going
to put this:

"Companies now routinely spend 1 million yen -$7,400- simply on
courting individual prospects. For Tokyo University graduates, ...,
the price can go as high as $45,000".

The difference with USA is only due to a lower unemployment rate? Or
is related to the short-vision japanese managers attribute to the
americans business men ?

Manuel

===============================================================
Manuel Socarras Reyes            
Tampere University of Technology - Signal Processing Laboratory 
INTERNET: manuel@cs.tut.fi       
===============================================================
From: ray@hpcndsst.CND.HP.COM (~Raymond Caruso)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: WAS *SORRY* from misc.jobs.offered
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:07:27 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Networks Division


   OK! I've gotten lots more E-mail flaming all over me AND I've gotton
   some E-mail that supports me (Thanx!). 

   My point is this: This is a public forum. Because it is public, there
   are guide lines to control use; however, when guide lines get in the
   way of common courtesy things get real bad!

   I understand that a lot of you have frustration to vent- BUT WHAT THE
   HELL ARE YOU DOING VENTING ON SOME POOR DUDE WHO STREWED UP BY MISSTAKE!
   WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU! YOU EVER SCREW UP? WHAT HARM DID 
   HIS POSTING OF HIS RESUME CAUSE THAT YOU BUTT HEADS NEEDED TO FLAME ALL 
   OVER THE GUY LIKE SHARKS. SO HE POSTED HIS RESUME. OPPS! THEN HE
   SPELLED "BERKLY" WRONG. OPPS! HOW'S THIS: "BURKLY", OR "BURKELY", OR HOW 
   ABOUT "BIRKLY". Lighten up folks. They guy knew he screwed up. 

   I UNDERSTAND THAT MISC.JOBS.OFFERED IS ONLY FOR JOB POSTINGS, BUT IT
   WAS ONLY AN OPPS. IT IS NOT LIKE HE TOOK UP GIGS OF DISK SPACE AND 
   CRASHED SYSTEMS ALL OVER THE NET. 

   For those of you who sided with manners and common courtesy- Thanx!!
   And for those of you who flamed all over me- I'll be waiting. . . 

   Rayman
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: jvm@cc.gatech.edu (John V. Martinez)
Subject: Re: The best companies to work for in CS
Summary: just griping - don't take this too seriously...
Organization: College of Computing
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:39:09 GMT

Article 2389 of misc.jobs.misc:
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: The best companies to work for in CS
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:21:19 GMT

In <92099.162554PDLBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> by some person whom I won't name so
				he won't think this is some personal attack.
Organization: AT&T
>
>>From article <92099.162554PDLBH@CUNYVM.BITNET>, by <PDLBH@CUNYVM.BITNET>:
>> What would be the best companies to work for in CS beside the traditional
>> IBM, Microsoft, DEC ...? I'm interested in the 
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  What makes you think these companies are 
>  good to work for? :-)
>
>Al Issa

Yeah, why not just shoot yourself in the head, or go to work for ATT 
or something :) 

(My entire department at NCR was laid off when ATT bought us out; they
made no bona-fide effort to even *try* to keep their best/most experienced
people (I can say this, cause I wasn't one of those, being a new grad myself))

But I'm not bitter; I just switched to MCI :)

-(-- John








-(-- John V. Martinez (jvm@cc.gatech.edu) | NIC Handle - jvm | (404) 303-8212
          From Plato's REPUBLIC:          | Eccentric Genius by day,   :)
     "Qui custodiet ipsos custodes?"      | Starving Student by night, :)
"Who will clean up after the custodians?" | and all-around great guy.  :) 
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: Ung-Ho Yi <ungyi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: misc.jobs.offered.entrylevel
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 18:55:33 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]


after reading many articles about the new news group "misc.jobs.offered.entry
level", i do feel little discouraged.

as some of the people mentioned, yes there will be no "magical" appearence
of millions of entry level positions along with the new news group.
when i started to press for the new newsgroup, i haven't thought of this point,
no wonder i haven't found a job yet--).

my job search has been frustrating and depressing, yet it also tought me
to be more realistic and tougher.  yes, even with all the benefits of
job search experience for new graduates --), i would like to improve the 
job search method for new grads.

i believe creation of this news group is kind of message to companies by
us new grads.  we are willing to work hard, but we must have a chance,
i am sure all the personnel people are wiping away their tears by now--).

i think most of us are willing to work hard,start with low salaries and 
relocate, we are so nice what much more can i say.

yi
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: jon@sed.stel.com (Jon Radel)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Drug testing by U.S. government contractors
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:28:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: sed.1992Apr7.012849.6297
Distribution: usa
Organization: SED, Stanford Telecom, Reston, VA

A recent e-mail note from somebody responding to an offer I recently
posted to misc.jobs.offered, in which I mentioned that pre-employment
drug testing was mandatory, leads me to believe that at least some
people who feel strongly about the matter are unaware that contractors
working for the U.S. government don't necessarily have a choice in the
matter.  

In other words, don't bother writing me.  Don't bother complaining to
other people like me who simply are upfront about the matter but have
no control over it at all.  Drop a note to your congressperson
and tell him/her that you think that mandatory drug testing is doing
more harm than good, or whatever it is you believe.  :-)

And don't bother sending me any suggestions that I call up the board
of directors to tell them to shut the company down in protest over the
government regulations either.

--Jon Radel
jon@sed.stel.com
From: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: CFD : creation of new newsgroup : misc.jobs.offered.entrylevel
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:55:34 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <klg.702767630@statsci> klg@statsci.com (Kevin L. Gross) writes:
>
>Oh, I see, just because he speaks his mind about his strong feelings
>regarding the selfish, inconsiderate behaviour of others makes him
>socially inept. While what your response was MUCH better, much calmer.
>
   I gave Matthew's posting "DUE" attention.  And if I wasn't
   socially inept, what am I doing on the boards?

   Of course I am one of those independent cusses who is often proud
   of the enemies....very proud NOT to be ever mistaken for one of
   them.  

   I will admit that a recent posting that was a bit longer and
   calmer said exactly the same thing about the crybaby element in a
   much more dignified manner.  

   And please note that I wasn't attacking the new grads en masse,
   just the whining small subset with the immature attitudes and
   very poorly exhibited desirable job skills.
From: beatty@shasta.nlm.nih.gov (Charles Beatty)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: INFO: Washington Navy Yard & D.C.
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:17:55 GMT
Reply-To: beatty@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Organization: Hill-Anon

In article <1992Apr7.043727.18596@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu>, consp07@bingsunp.cc.binghamton.edu (David Kane) writes:

|> 	Does anyone have any information about NCTS?   I am also looking for
|> some information about the immediate vicinity of the Navy Yard.  For example,
|> should I plan on an hour and a half commute, etc...
|> 	

The Washington Navy Yard is about a mile southeast of the capital and 
the immediate vicinity is only slightly more menacing than downtown
Beirut.

-- 
Charles Beatty					beatty@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: mattel@auto-trol.com (Matt Telles)
Subject: Re: What Happens When Your Company Closes?
Organization: Auto-trol
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:20:01 GMT

In article <2019@ra.nrl.navy.mil> ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) writes:
>
>> Article <1992Apr13.135544.18211@auto-trol.com> From: mattel@auto-trol.com (Matt Telles)
>
>> What do you do?  The first thing is to file for unemployment.  Since you were
>> not fired, you should have no problem collecting.  The second thing is, of
>> course, to look for a job.  Wish I had better news.
>
>
>Since you have gone through this before - do you file for unemployment
>from the point you are no longer being PAID or the point you are no longer
>EMPLOYED?  Since you were never paid for the period I don't see how
>it can be claimed that you were employed.

Hmm.  Good question.  In my case, I just filed from the point at which I was no
longer employed.  My employer backed me up by saying I was no longer employed.
This may, of course, vary by state.  I am no lawyer, I would ask the state
unemployment office...

Matt

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