HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tpd1@cec1.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David)
Subject: Re: The hypocrites
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:34:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.225206.24930@walter.bellcore.com> cza@troy.uucp (22141-akgun) writes:
>What cleansing that Turks had in Cyprus?  What dead-camps
>that you are refering?  
>>
Well I think I have to refresh your memory:
About the cleansing:
   200,000 Greek Cypriots forced out of their homes.Don't forget that this
     is 1/3 of the total population of Cyprus.
   Most of the valuable Byzantine churches converted in stables.
   Their ancient frescoes and icons sold to everywhere in the world.
   60,000-85,000 settlers were brought from Turkey. The situation is
     that bad, that about 45,000 Turkish - Cypriots could not stand it
     and migrated.
   ...... 

About the dead-camps:
   Adana, southern Turkey. The Cypriots there had to live with a slice 
       of bread for days. I don't have to refer to the tortures. Turkish
       prisons are famous for this.
   1619 Cypriots are declared as Missing In Action. Most of them were 
       last seen in these prisons in Southern Turkey. What happened
       to them Mr. Akgun(sorry, I don't know your first name) ? Did
       they like the enviroment there?

>
>C. Akgun

Regards,
Theodore David

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: poser@vxdsyc.desy.de (Till Poser  -  ZEUS OFFLINE)
Subject: Re: Kill fill update needed
Reply-To: Poser@vxdsyc.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:55:39 GMT

In article <la9sabINNila@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>, 
eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout) writes:
|>In article <Sep02.162542.80640@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>,
|>cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
|>
|>|> If you use rn, type "/serdar argic/hK" (without the "'s) right after you
|>|> read this message.
|>
|>Could someone tell me what the xrn equivalent of such action is?
|>I'm having trouble setting up killfiles.
|>
|>Victor.

Glad to help You out, I've just experienced the blissful flash of
a quiet xrn kill:

Take the following:

/.*han@/h:j
/.*hbm@/h:j
/.*sera@/h:j
/.*hasan.b.mutlu/h:j

On Eunuchs:
Put it into a file called ~/News/KILL                    global kill file
                       or ~/News/soc/culture/europe/KILL group kill file

For ~/News You may want to use the directory to which You have set Your
Save directory in the customize menu

On VMS:
Put it into a file called sys$login:news$global.kill        global kill file
                       or sys$login:soc_culture_europe.kill group kill file

For sys$login You may want to use Your save directory.

And voila, instant peace.

For real relief add:

/.*Mutlu/a:j
/.*mutlu/a:j

but that will take more time, since it sifts the whole range of articles.
Reapply when necessary.

The way I've set it up I sometimes snuff the odd inocent bystander, but that's
just too tough.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: cza@troy.uucp (22141-akgun)
Subject: Re: The hypocrites
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Navesink, NJ
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 22:52:06 GMT

In article <Btv4us.HBM@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
>>in life.
>
> Exactly the same thing that Serbs are doing in Bosnia.  Why do you thing
> that Serbs don't have the right to do this thing, and Turks have it?
> What makes you different from Serbs?

Put your thinking cap once in a while and compare these cases 
accordingly.  The answer to following question will give you the clue to
make this right.  Did Bosnians attacked Serbians minority
to make any ethnic cleansing?  Simple is that.

>
> Isn't it hypocritical to say that Turkey has the right to invade another
> country to protect its minority, but Serbs don't have it?  What else
> is hypocricy?

First of all, even all deaf people in the World have heard that
Turkey had a signed and sealed agreement to interfere the
stunt that Greek side tought that they could pull.  The
aggressor was the majority in Cyprus not the minority
like Serbs in Bosnia.  So, it aint the same thing Panos.

Sure.  If Turkey was next to Bosnia, I would doubt that
Serbians would be that care free.  So, Turkey has no
military means to reach there and that is why they are playing
this very painful UN game.  Whatelse is there to do?
So, you expected the same dorsal attitute when Greek Cypriots 
start the butchering Turks.  Look at the track record of EOKA and EOKA-B
since 1960's.  Turkish side has lived in shear terror and had 
to pick up the crumbs that Greek Cypriot goverment thrown in for 
them.  They could not build houses even they had the money and could 
not buy parts for their cars to get it repaired.  Do you deny all 
of these nonsense and insist on how great were the good old days (to
Greeks may be but not Turkish Cypriots from whom thI heard those days)? 
So, Turkish arm forces had to stop this nonsense once for all.  
I tell you what is a general Turkish sentiment on
this.  They are gratefull to Greek Junta for this opportunity.  
in life time to do what is right.

>
> Yes, we all know.  Turkey has given the example.  The cleansing performed
> by Turks in Cyprus is something that should be allowed.  Serbs, on the other
> hand, should not be allowed to do the same thing.

What cleansing that Turks had in Cyprus?  What dead-camps
that you are refering?  
>

[...]
>
> No sir, my sence says that Turkey is the agressor in Cyprus, and that
> this agressor should pay for this thing.  My viwes and feelings haven't
> changed the last 18 years, and won't change after 50 years.
>
>
>>C. Akgun
>-- 
>---> Panos Tamamidis
>     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

Suit yourself.  Turkish Cypriots are trying to seal this victory on 
the paper as well.  That is all what is buckling this settlement.  
But I heard they had reached the end of the rope.

C. Akgun
From: tahonen@katk.Helsinki.FI (Timo Ahonen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: European language?
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:44:23 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Computing Centre

In article <1SEP199203331408@vxcrna.cern.ch> pires@vxcrna.cern.ch (ALVES) writes:

>In article <tahonen.32@katk.Helsinki.FI>, tahonen@katk.Helsinki.FI (Timo Ahonen) writes...
>>In my opinion it's got a lot to do with a constant exposure to a language. 
>>Spain, Italy and France should stop dubbing the English language TV 
>>programmes and films, and their English would get a lot better fairly soon. 
>>By the way, it also applies to the Germans: it's always taken almost for 
>>granted that the young German generation can speak fluent English but I have 
>>found to my surprise that it is not so.
>> 

>I agree that exposure counts much, but I think you people are missing 
>the point.  Why should we try to standardize everything?  Variety adds 
>much to life.

>In my country (Portugal) the TV films and programs aren't dubbed.
>Now try to go there and to speak English with everybody, and you'll see
>the level of knowledge there.  And I don't think that it should be 
>different.  As I writter (and he had a good knowledge of French and 
>English, travelled a lot, etc.) said:  "Foreign languages should be spoken
>patrioticly lousely." 

>It is bad enough to see my country invaded by McDonalds and such.
>Soon it will be impossiblle to eat FOOD -- I mean real food, with taste 
>and such -- in Lisbon.  And McDonalds is transforming beautiful 
>patisseries in ugly "restaurants" (arghhhh...).

I'm sorry, but I just cannot see the connection between learning a language 
and standardizing anything. After all, language is only a means of 
communication, it doesn't convey with it any kind of loyalty to the 
country (-ies?) of the native speakers of the language, as you seem to 
imply. I think the writer you refer to was a jerk. I agree, it really doesn't
matter, if one speaks a language badly or with a heavy accent if one makes 
him/herself understood, with the help of hands if needed, but it sure does 
make things more difficult. Knowing a foreign language doesn't have anything 
to do with partiotism or anything like that.

I have absolutely no intention to 'ban' any language, least of all my own, 
of course! It's just that some languages are more useful as a international 
medium than others. Apart from that, Vive la difference!

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: cza@troy.uucp (22141-akgun)
Subject: Re: The hypocrites
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Navesink, NJ
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 02:57:03 GMT

In article <Btt9w5.B54@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
>>>Not much more needs to be said.
>
>>Unfortunately yes.  How come those bastians of freedom
>>and humanity can tell to Saddam "Don't fly or die" but
>>not to Serbians "Don't shell or be shelled."
>
> Humanity also cannot tell to Turks: "Get your asses out of Cyprus".

Are you kidding?  Turkish arm forces are the only reason
why Cyprus was never turned out to be today's Bosnia.
This is the only security that Turkish Cypriots have and
alway will.  Like every Bosnians today, we all know how
much UN provides when modern day massacres committed.
>
> Yet, the hypocrites Turks, can open their mouth when muslim lifes are
> in steak. 
>
> The hypocrites in their best performance !!!
>
>>>	mark	
>
>>C. Akgun
>
>
>
>-- 
>---> Panos Tamamidis
>     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

Based on what you utter above either you don't know the
meaning of the word despite the Greek is your mother
tongue or you gave up looking at mirrors lately.

When you are going to rise above the level "name calling" crap,
Panos?  Or, is it too much to expect from your intellectual
level?  If it is, let this be my last reply to such crap.        

C. Akgun
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: pires@vxcrna.cern.ch (ALVES)
Subject: Re: European language?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:33:00 GMT

In article <tahonen.32@katk.Helsinki.FI>, tahonen@katk.Helsinki.FI (Timo Ahonen) writes...
>In my opinion it's got a lot to do with a constant exposure to a language. 
>Spain, Italy and France should stop dubbing the English language TV 
>programmes and films, and their English would get a lot better fairly soon. 
>By the way, it also applies to the Germans: it's always taken almost for 
>granted that the young German generation can speak fluent English but I have 
>found to my surprise that it is not so.
> 

I agree that exposure counts much, but I think you people are missing 
the point.  Why should we try to standardize everything?  Variety adds 
much to life.

In my country (Portugal) the TV films and programs aren't dubbed.
Now try to go there and to speak English with everybody, and you'll see
the level of knowledge there.  And I don't think that it should be 
different.  As I writter (and he had a good knowledge of French and 
English, travelled a lot, etc.) said:  "Foreign languages should be spoken
patrioticly lousely." 

It is bad enough to see my country invaded by McDonalds and such.
Soon it will be impossiblle to eat FOOD -- I mean real food, with taste 
and such -- in Lisbon.  And McDonalds is transforming beautiful 
patisseries in ugly "restaurants" (arghhhh...).


----Rui
From: petek@vipunen.hut.fi (Petri 'Pete' Karha)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: mutlu shit
Date: 26 Aug 92 07:18:38 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In <1992Aug25.182128.18373@morrow.stanford.edu> berne@nova1.stanford.edu (Jean-Francois Berne) writes:
>>P.S.  Kill files are not the solution
>I don't agree. I haven't read any hbm's post for weeks now, thanks to my KILL
>file. Any time I want to read its trash I have to seek one of its post among

Well, neither have I, but I still have to read all the bull-shit that
people write about Mutlu. Since people don't seem to leave Mutlu alone,
I need a hint.

How can I kill all the articles somehow related to Mutlu with NetNews?
If I use <shift>K I can kill articles by subject or name. (name is
allready killed).

But how can I kill:

	1) all articles that have "Hasan" or "Mutlu" in subject
	2) all articles that have those strings anywhere in the article  

I know how this is done in RN but what about NetNews?
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.europe:7819 soc.culture.romanian:822 talk.politics.soviet:7403
From: marian@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.romanian,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Russian intervention in Moldova?
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:44:27 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

> Talking about former Roumanin counties is only useful, if their

> is an internal Roumanian/Moldovan issue, the latter is a Roumanian/

>>>and not in Transdniestra, since Roumanians are in minority in these areas.
>
> Do you deny that Roumania has approached Ukraine with requests for

Sir,

Would you like, however, to use the terms Romanian, Romanians etc instead of
Roumania, Roumanians etc.? Simply, your obstinacy makes me angry. I think
you can accept it if the "TIME" magazine accepts it too.

Marian Dodu
Mathematician,
Hebrew University
Jerusalem
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics,soc.culture.greek
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Subject: Re: The Aboriginal Government and other such
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 11:13:06 GMT

Michael Polymenakos (michael.polymenakos@factory.com) writes:
> If it is just a name, why does the Government of Skopjie give it up? They
> would have been recognised by the international community months ago had they
> not been so stubborn.

If I suggested that you should call Greece something else, would
you even take that seriously?
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
F|rst till kvarn f}r f|rst vankiva
From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Third World Status ?
Date: 30 Aug 92 08:40:24 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <1992Aug29.201355.28917@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
<   Burkina Faso in no way translates to Upper Volta,
<   but something else which I don't remember.

Its two components, _burkina_ and _faso_, belong to two different
languages, I don't remember which ones, and the whole translates to
`land of worthy men'.

<   English could however choose to translate "Burkina Faso" to
<   whatever it means.

The odd thing is that there is no language in which the whole name has
a meaning, so it is best kept untranslated.  (Besides, I don't see
what a name like "Worthieland" would be doing on English maps.  :-))

<   If you are using "Anglia" in Roumanian to denote England alone,
<   no one minds. But if you're using "Anglia" when referring to the
<   UK be sure that Scots, Welshmen and Northern Irish will cast
<   sinister glances on you.

If they can understand you, that is.  :-)  And they will ask you to
use the Roumanian name for the whole Kingdom, or at least for Britain.
(Great Britain excludes Northern Ireland.  It is a problematic question.)

<Also, if you say "America" referring to the US, you are also
<likely to get angry comments, this time not from the people of
<the US themselves though, but from Canadians.

Even more so from Mexicans and other Latin Americans.

<And, finally, for the people objecting to my preference for the
<spelling "Roumania": I initially choose this spelling since it
<looked more British to me (compare colour/color). If anyone can
<prove that "Roumania" is incorrect spelling in British English
<(which is the one I'm taught in school), I will abandon that
<spelling. Until then...

It is listed in the _Oxford English Dictionary_, and thereby legitimate.
So are the variants "Rum-" and "Rom-", whereby the latter can be
derived from "Romany" as well as from "roma^n-".

-- 
 `If ye hiv ears oan yer heid - then use them tae lissen.' (The Glasgow Gospel)
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* Cowan House, Pollock Halls, 18 Holyrood Park Road, Edinburgh EH16 5BD, UK
From: kimcm@login.dkuug.dk (Kim Chr. Madsen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Hasan B Mutlu: anagram
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:49:26 GMT

dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:


>Alt.fan.mutlu seems a bit more appropriate.
>Anyone know how to do this? Alt.fan.* groups seem to pop up regularly so
>it must be fairly straight-forward.

I kinda thought it have to be "alt.fan.mutlu.unlimited.post.post.post" (-;
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: OMEDEI SUPPORTS MACEDONIA
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:35:51 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Cris Koutsougeras (ck@cs.tulane.edu) writes:
>I said:
>>Convinced because else there would be one country saying no to
>>Maastricht? I'm sorry my friend but that conviction is likely
>>to not be more than skin deep.
>...
>Where did I claim that
>Greece "threatened" with Maastricht and that therefere that was how
>EEC was convinced?

I am sorry if my words gave the impression that this would be the
opinion of Cris Koutsougeras. This is my own speculation, based
on the fact that there several reports in the papers all through
spring about EC dissatisfaction with the Greek stance.

>And why does Greece "have to" go around for ever on telling that the
>claim of Skopie is false ?  Why do we have to expend that effort, just
>because Skopie finds that way to solve its internal problems ?

Well, judging from what one hears from Greece about bus tickets
saying "Macedonia is Greek" etc, it seems like you are making
the effort anyway.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Life is wonderful when the wonderlife is full
From: tahonen@katk.Helsinki.FI (Timo Ahonen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: European language?
Date: 31 Aug 92 13:28:53 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Computing Centre

In article <1992Aug24.165502.21108@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> luciano@athos.Berkeley.EDU (Luciano Lavagno) writes:

John Dryselius writes:
>>>>Most people in Scandinavia already knows English sufficiently well and
>>>>the same goes for Germany and the Netherlands.
Luciano Lavagno:
>>>But not for Spain, Portugal and Italy.
John Dryselius:
>>If we can learn English, it must be possible for them too.

>Well, this seems a bit simplistic. It is much easier to learn WELL a germanic
>language if you already know one, and a neo-latin language if you already know
>one.
>So no matter how long I study, I will always be a better speaker of French,
>Spanish or Italian than German, Swedish or English (and the fact that the
>latter  have many words with neo-latin origin matters little, except for
>solving crosswords).

I agree with this basic theory. However, I'd like to point out that learning 
a foreign language can be possible even without any relationship to the 
learner's native tongue. My native tongue, Finnish, isn't even a Indo-
European language (= neither germanic nor neo-latin, and bearing no relation 
to them), and still to my understanding the proficiency of the Finns in 
English is in general no worse than eg that of the Swedes. It can be harder 
to learn English for us due to different structures in languages but the 
results are still comparable to those of a Indo-European native tongue. This 
is why I must agree with John that if we can learn it, they can learn it, 
too.

In my opinion it's got a lot to do with a constant exposure to a language. 
Spain, Italy and France should stop dubbing the English language TV 
programmes and films, and their English would get a lot better fairly soon. 
By the way, it also applies to the Germans: it's always taken almost for 
granted that the young German generation can speak fluent English but I have 
found to my surprise that it is not so.

Timo Ahonen               *  To do is to be              - Socrates  *
University of Helsinki    *  To be is to do              - Sartre    *
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.europe:7842 eunet.politics:1129 soc.culture.greek:8138
From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics,soc.culture.greek
Subject: "Becoming" European (was Re: The Aboriginal Government and other such)
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:38:11 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <morten.715429855@oase>, morten@oase.kemi.aau.dk (Morten
Kjeldgaard) writes:
>I think the greek have to decide for themselves whether they want to become
>a european country, or remain a balkan one. This nationalist nonsense is

Through political means, Greece is trying to prevent a war against it.
Isn't that European enough to you?
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas

"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Independent
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:38:16 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Yes, folks here we have it all.

In less than two years we have seen people massacre their own
people just for show. First it was the Azerbaijanis and now
it's the Bosnians.

Even the Nazis were not that inhuman!

About the only thing that these claims/reports show is the
images in the minds of people who make these claims and the
people who can actually believe them.

During the 1967 War, the Syrians pulled some cheap stunts
by showing some Israili pilots chained to their shot down
airplanes. It played on the centuries old trick of
showing Jews as cowards. No one could believe such a cheap trick.
Now we see the same stunt--Muslims as the most bloodthirsty savages 
that humanity has ever seen--massacring their own! And what is the
result? Head nodding in agreement.  That's nice.

It's time for people who report these and those who believe them
to check their consciences. The same people who questioned
whether blacks had souls and could be considered human are
at it again.

Not much more needs to be said.
-- 

	mark	


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