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From: kgivon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (karen lee givon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: land for peace----- NOT!!!!!!
Date: 20 Dec 92 14:02:38 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Dec17.154620.54962@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN) writes:
>There has been much talk of land for peace, that the Jews should for some
>reason be forced to part with the only commmodity they have.  This is
>ridiculous.  Come on.  Look at a fucking map, color the arab areas red and the
>Israeli area blue.  Not much blue is there, Lot of red isn't there, can't the
>palestinians find a wee bit of red area to call their own.  While we are at
>it, color the oil producing areas black, coincides with a lot of the red
>doesn't it, none of the blue getting darker is it?  Don't give the Arab's
>another fucking acre.  Right now it seems that the Israelis are the most
>powerful in the area, so peace for the arabs and israelis is a mutually
>advantageous situation.  Everytime the state of israel made land gains it has
>been after a blatant arab agression.  I say fuck the arabs, they don't deserve
>concessions, every time you deal with the arab leadership (I don't mean the
>average arab off the street) they turn around and spit in your face.  SEE PAST
>AGRESSION.  I am sorry for being rude but some damn palestinian kid was just
>talking about how jews and israel were the great satan and it really began to
>bother me, so I had to get it off my chest.  But in all seriousness, trade
>peace for peace, you stop bombing us, we'll stop bombing you, but as long as
>the arabs continue to perpertrate the agression on us, I see no reason why we
>should not fight back.


Don't you think that you sound a bit like this kid?

We'll never have any kind of peace with this kind of hatred and
aggressiveness on both sides.

-Keren  
>
>-- 
>my name is mike and i'm a .sig-a-holic, i have been virtually .sig free for
>ten days now, my life is so much clearer, i pledge to do my best to never
>have a long .sig again.  i don't need one because i'm good enough, i'm smart
>enough and god darnit, people like me.  ob info: mlsa@lehigh.edu, mike
>sherman phone# 758-0207 disclaimer, we don't neeeed no steeenking disclaimer.
From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: JforJ ad in Newsweek
Date: 17 Dec 1992 01:50:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


I still maintain that they are a branch of Vegetarians For Veal!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: pasward@maytag.uwaterloo.ca (Paul A.S. Ward)
Subject: Re:    Torture in Israel
Followup-To:  talk.politics.mideast
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:29:06 GMT

Perhaps you would either elaborate on the connection between this and
Jewish CULTURE, or else take it to a politics group.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: More questions...
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:48:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.222850.24206@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> muskudar@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Michael Uskudarli) writes:
>Anyway, my next question is about freemasonry. I can almost hear some of
>you say "here we go!"  A magazine published in Istanbul (later was made
>a book) claimed that freemasonry is a tool used by Israel to eventually
>dominate the world. Proof is that despite being in separate countries many leaders are or were once masons such as
>
>1)Washington
>2) Lenin
>3) Goethe
>4) Ataturk (founder of turkey)
>5) Founder of czechoslovakia.    etc.....
>
>Word has it that the ceremonial rituals are all jewish customs i.e. eating
>salt and bread, having two columns representing Jakin and boaz 
> having the seven armed candle holder etc....
>
>What do you know about this?
>Finally, they also claim that there are 33 steps to the top of the
>hierarchy and when you reach # 18 you automatically become a jew-like
>person oml;y to be used further.
  I suggest you read Umberto Eco's novel "Foucault's Pendulum." The
  theme he develops is why people believe in the power of secret
  societies. (The short answer is because then a person is not
  responsible for their own failures, the secret society did it.)
  While the work is fiction, I gather that the history of the Knights
  Templar, Rosicrucians, Masons and others he gives is accurate as to
  their appearance on the world scene, and their duration.

  As to similarities between Jewish practice and those of these
  societies (and other groups) some of it is because of historical
  development (Christianity's communion) and some is a conscious
  adoption of Jewish practice by groups trying to become a "Chosen
  People," (and where the meaning of CP is vastly different from
  that given by Judaism.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: jewish joke 2
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:33:43 GMT


Mrs Cohen's husband dies.  She goes to the office of the Jewish Chronicle
to arrange an advert in the deceased column.

"How much will it cost?", asks Mrs Cohen.
	"1 pound for each word", says the sales lady.
"Then I want 'Cohen's dead'"
	"No, no", says the sales lady,"you have to have a minimum of
	5 words."
Mrs Cohen thinks for a little and says, "I want 'Cohen's dead, Volvo
for sale'"

Laurence
From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Refuting Xian Missionaries (README)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 23:05:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


   I agree with every word of Gedeliah's post.  I would also like 
to recommend "The Real Messiah?" by Aryeh Kaplan and "Judaism and
Christianity - the Differences" by Trude Weiss-Rosmarin.
   But the greatest recommendation that I can make is to find out
what Judaism is all about.  Get a Jewish Education!  There can be
no substitute for a Jewish education.  As a child, I did not have
any Jewish schooling, and I regret it to this day.  I'm making up
for lost time.  But it is difficult.  A Jewish education is all a
person needs to intellectually disregard the efforts of those who
work so hard to convert us to Christianity.  These people prey on
uneducated Jews.  It is these Jews who should be reminded that an
individual can't know where he is going if he does not know where
he has come from.
From: yaffe@pendragon.ICD.Teradyne.COM (Art Yaffe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Various Evangelicals
Date: 13 Dec 1992 18:20:03 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1gaj10INNled@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>,
		 jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love) writes:

>It appears to me that this gentleman is conducting 
>Christian missionary activities in scj. There ought to
>be a way to discourage this, although I haven't been a
>participant long enough to figure out how. Suggestions?

There is an easy way, Jack.  "Vijay Bhuchar" has a prominent place
in my KILL file.

********************************
Arthur G. Yaffe
Internet: yaffe@icd.teradyne.com
********************************
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:11:34 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: CAMPAIGN TO FREE VANUNU
 <92345.1507262893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <4573@bimacs.BITNET>
 <92349.1313042893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <dfs.724358521@kehleyr>

In article <dfs.724358521@kehleyr>, dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) says:
>
>In <92349.1313042893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Andy
><2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>
>>F--K OFF, you semi-literate moron.
>
>Funny, I got a very similar response from Hank Roth of "PeaceNet" when
>I wrote to him a while ago.

Quoting e-mail again are we? Tsk-tsk, no respect for netiquitte

>
>Perhaps he and Andy share the same ghostwriter?  They could brush up
>on their vocabulary.

Or, perhaps you and Gideon share the same personality!
>
>:-)
>
>--
>                     |         | "Step up and shake the hand
>David F. Skoll       | ||||||| |  Of someone you can't stand,
>|_ _ _  __   __ _ __ |  \\V//  |  You can tolerate him if you try..."
> / |  | |_|   | |  | |  __|__  |  -- Tom Lehrer, "National Brotherhood Week"
>_____|________________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Shem and Abraham (Was Re: Conversion Question)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:33:03 GMT

In article <BzEyMv.90K@ddsw1.mcs.com> dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT) writes:
>`Ever was still alive,
  I thought Ever min ha chai was forbidden.....
From: James.Stevenson@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (James Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Question about my heritage
Summary: Trying to trace my roots.
Keywords: Shirah
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:24:42 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA


	I am very interested in any information that anyone my have on my 
mother's maiden name -- Shirah.  I have done research in over a hundred 
books and I have only found one reference to this name.  It dealt with the 
fact that this was a new Jewish Family name.  What is interesting, is that 
my mother's father knows that he is of a German ancestery.  Thanks in 
advance for any help that I may receive.  Thank you.

	Also, any history on my family name, Stevenson, would also be 
greatly appreciated.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT)
Subject: Re: Holiday Calendar 1993, 1994, some 1995
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:50:45 GMT
Organization: Contributor Account at ddsw1, Chicago, Illinois  60657

Howard Wachtel <U13054@uicvm.uic.edu> asked in
<92344.102731U13054@uicvm.uic.edu>:

| I thought that Yom Kippur only occurred on Monday, Wednesday or Shabbat
| (although I never understood why Thursday was excluded).

As you see, Thursday is not excluded.  If you look at a Yom-Kippur-only
machzor you'll see that the Hymns of Unity and Psalms of the Day in it
are those for Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Shabbat.  If you look at a
Rosh-Hashanah-only machzor, you'll see that those for the entire week are
included; the ones for Wednesday would be unnecessary if Yom Kippur could
fall on neither Thursday nor Friday [because then neither day of Rosh
Hashanah would ever be on Wednesday].

| When was the last year that it occurred on a Thursday (beginning Wednesday
| evening)?

[The reason I'm following up is that no other response I've seen so far has
answered that question.]  In my lifetime the first seder has been on Saturday
night and the following Yom Kippur on Thursday in 1954, 1974, 1977, and 1981.

Halakhah includes a lot of special rules for the case, not because there is
any difficulty with having Yom Kippur on Thursday but because the previous
spring Pesach begins on Saturday night and Shushan Purim falls on Shabbat.

For examples (don't rely on these; I'm not observant and this is academic
              for me):

First, Parashat Shqalim falls on Rosh Chodesh, leading to a three-scroll
Torah reading.  (Those are always fun.)

In Jerusalem, where Purim then falls on Shabbat, there is a Purim Mshullash
celebration.  Mgillat Esther is read on Thursday night and Friday morning,
the usual Torah reading for Purim morning becomes the maphtir reading on
Shabbat, the haptharah of Zachor is read on both 8 and 15 Adar (II), and
mishloach manot are exchanged on Sunday.  I think the Purim S`udah is also
held on Sunday.

Come Pesach, Ta`anit Bkhorim, though it is left on Friday when Pesach starts
on Shabbat, is advanced to Thursday.  Bdiqat Chametz is held Thursday night
and Bi`ur Chametz Friday morning, but enough chametz is kept for Friday lunch
and the first s`udah (or first and second s`udot) of Shabbat.  The final dis-
avowal of chametz is pronounced *Saturday* morning.  Some congregations have
a tradition of davening extra-early on that Shabbat morning so that S`udah
Shenit can be held while we still can eat food over which we say Hammotzi'
Lechem and Birkat Hammazon.

5 'Iyyar falls on Shabbat; Yom Ha`atzma'ut is celebrated on the third (just
as it is advanced to the fourth when the fifth is Friday).  From what I
understand, most groups who don't believe in advancing it from Friday to
Thursday agree with advancing it from Shabbat to Thursday.

David W. Tamkin   Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com    CompuServe: 73720,1570    MCI Mail: 426-1818
From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Hannukkah and Christmas in America
Date: 12 Dec 1992 18:39:41 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

I have never understood the emphasis on Hannukkah among American Jews.
When I was growing up (first in Israel, then we emigratd to the US)
Hannukkah was never a big deal.  Both my birthday and my brother's
are this time of year, and we always looked forward to the birthday
presents rather than the little trinkets we got a Hannukah.  (On the 
order of a draedl plus a Woolworth-type toy.)  Of course it wasn't
as elaborate as my Christian friends' Christmas.  But then, they didn't
get to feast at Passover or sit in a Succah, or plant trees at Tu Be 
Shvat.  And we always got to dress up twice each year -- at Halloween
and and Purim.

Hannukkah is no big deal in Israel.  Why is it such a big deal here?

(Or, rather, it wasn't when I was growing up!  I realize that with
the increasing commercialization of Israel and with the mimicry of
almost everything American, that probably the American Christmas
celebration has affected Israeli culture.  It's been a long time
since I've been there at mid-winter....)
 
Responses by e-mail, to peri@sundog.caltech.edu, please.  I
don't usually read this newsgroup.



-- 

                                                --  Michal

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: norm@helix.nih.gov(Norm Friedman)
Subject: Joke
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <norm@helix.nih.gov(Norm Friedman)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:11:46 GMT

Mr. G (fill in name) had died.  After the required period of 11 months (or
so), Mrs. G appears down at Miami Beach where she runs into an old friend. 
The friend quicky admires a very new, very large diamond ring on Mrs. G's
finger.  She comments on the ring and asks how Mrs. G obtained.  Mrs. G
explains, "Well Mr. G. left this money for a nice stone.."

Sorry, sounds better when you say it.
+--------------------------------------------------------+
   

   *    ***    **      *
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   *   *   *     *     *   
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   *   nison reuven b'R Shami             
   *   
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   *   ** *  *   *  *  *  * ** *
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   *   *  *   ***   *  *  *    *
       norm  "EVERYWHERE I GO, I GO TO ISRAEL!"
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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Holiday wishes for us
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:59:50 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In <1992Dec16.175620.15381@midway.uchicago.edu> chappell@willy.uchicago.edu (Chappell) writes:

>"Come on down for our big Pesach sale!

Pesach *sale*?
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
 |__/__/_/    
 |warren@         "WARENS statement in his signature express a Nazi idea."
/ nysernet.org 			    Gideon Ehrlich
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Skoll and "netiquitte"
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:36:27 GMT

In article <92352.1305112893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Andy) writes:

>Not only is Skoll, the self chosen netiquitte enforcer, repeatedly paraphrasing
>other peoples e-mail without permission, he also insists on e-mailing me despit
>e the fact that 1)several weeks ago I asked him to stop and 2) I have bounced
> back every message he's sent me since. It is a clear violation of netiquitte
>to persist in e-mailing someone who has asked not to receive e-mail, it seems
>Skoll prefers to exclude himself from the netiquitte he demands from others.

>Outside of sending his mail backto him without comment, I have not e-mailed
>Skoll so he cannot use my e-mailing him as an excuse for his continued
>violation.

>Mr Skoll, please stop sending me e-mail. I don't read it and I don't want it!

Poor PAndy.  Because his university doesn't have access to talk.*
newgroups, he feels it is important to post mideast political tripe to
soc.culture.jewish.   Then he has the gall to complain about someone
else's netiquette?
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.atheism
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Question on "Jewish mother = jewish children"
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:25:07 GMT

In article <1goduqINNje9@morrow.stanford.edu> aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt) writes:
>How about the adopted child of Jewish parents?  Does the child need to
>convert (presumably at a later age)?  In the meantime, if the parents
>raise the child as a practicing Jew, does the child have a Bar Mitzvah 
>at 13?  Convert at 12.5?  

Adoptions are certainly a part of Jewish life, and in Conservative
synagogues I've been associated with, the procedures are very much
the same:  The child is converted (including brit if a boy) very
young.  At adulthood (generally at time of Bar/Bat Mitzvah, the
convert is asked to reconfirm the conversion and intent to follow
Judiasm.

Your local ___ Rabbi can provide any additional information, but be
assured adoption is a beautiful and central part of the life cycle
for many Jews.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller)
Subject: Re: STOP Spreading Jewish Stereotypes!!
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
	<9212171534.AA08486@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
	<1992Dec17.154906.7914@wam.umd.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:30:54 GMT

On Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:49:06 GMT, aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) said:

 A> Then, why are you posting his "private" answer to your "private" mail
 A> here?

	Because there is a difference between the posting of mail
verbatim and the relation of its contents.

-- Cerebus <tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
"Anyway."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: mgross@halibut.nosc.mil (Michelle K. Gross)
Subject: Dutch - Hebrew Tanach
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <mgross@halibut.nosc.mil (Michelle K. Gross)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:13:29 GMT


Thanks to Maurice for letting me know that he hasn't been able to find one
either. As it seems that we can't exchange e-mail, could you please post
the names of the Chumashim that you've run across? I'm looking for something 
that has a modern translation (without 2nd person formal) and a lot of
commentary.
--Michelle
mgross@nosc.mil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Subject: Re: Hamaayan.... Vayishlach.
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 13:24:18 GMT

In: <1992Dec10.181200.11966@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
hem@col400.col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz) "answers" Joel's query:

>In article <1992Dec10.153107.23174@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> jgoldber@todah.ch
>>In article <Bz0s1v.H7@access.digex.com> ajb@access.digex.com (Alan J. Broder)
>>>              ************************************
>>>
>>>   Chazal teach that this Parasha is our primer on how to relate to
>>>our gentile masters.  Some people say that it is our "Galus
>>>mentality" which leads us to bow down.  If they only knew that we
>>>were merely imitating Yaakov, bowing before Hashem's will, and
>>>letting the bystanders think what they may!
>>>
>>>                                        (Selected Writings p.295)
>> So, what gives with Mordechai, who was a member of the Sanhedrin.
>
>He wore his idol on his chest and announced that everyone who
>bowed to him was bowing to the idol.  This we are forbidden to do.

Hillel, in typical Orthodox manner, fails  to mention that there is no
word about  this "idol on the  chest" in the original  Book of Esther.
It is  one of the  inventions to  be found in  the Talmud in  order to
explain something they did not like to accept at face value.

I wonder  also why the  Talmud sages found  it necessary to  tell this
idol story.  It  seems, that as far as they  were concerned, there was
no problem  to bow to  a person in power  (all this bowing  "really to
God" as Rabbi Schwab claims had not been invented by them).

We have, as so often, an ad hoc Talmud story to keep up with the later
developments of the religion, attempting to correct the "facts" to fit
the theory.

Michael Shimshoni
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: htoyryla@ntc01.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Re: looking for a Dutch - Hebrew Tanach
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:28:34 GMT

In article <9212150246.AA28181@halibut.nosc.mil>, mgross@halibut.nosc.mil (Michelle K. Gross) writes:
> 
> I'd like to purchase a Dutch - Hebrew Tanach (Bible) as a gift.
> If anyone owns one and can give me the publisher's name, or has an idea of 
> where to get one, please drop me a line.
> 
> Thanks.
> Michelle 
> mgross@nosc.mil

I have seen a Dutch-Hebrew Chumash in a bookstore in the Hague,
the Netherlands. It had even Rashi translated into Dutch.
I don't know the name of the shop or the address, however.
It was a relatively large bookshop in the middle of the
town, however.

Hannu

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From: david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann)
Subject: Re: I Hate This Time of Year!
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-12687]: bourbon
Organization: E.E. Dept., Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:10:08 GMT

In article <liq6meINNq9l@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>I just got back from a weekend in New Orleans and several people at the
>convention I was attending pointed out a newspaper article to me that
>was covering an event: the lighting of a community menorah in the local
>cathedral. Seems that the ceremonial lighting used to be done in a
>large outdoor city-owned square, but since the ruling came down that
>such things can't be done on government-owned property, the local rabbi
>decided that the large cathedral right off the square was perfect. 
>
>*sigh*
>
What?!?! You were here and didn't call? What convention was it?

Anyway, a few more details - a reform synagogue has held a
pre-Chanukah menorah lighting at Jackson Square in the French Quarter,
which is right in front of Louis's Cathedral. There was no ruling
whether or not it can be done on government-owned property, but rather
a controversy with the Federation. (One article mentioned that those
attending the mass would be invited to stay for the pre-Chanukah
Chanukah service. The congregants weren't phased - but I suspect most
people here didn't care.)

Chabad's annual Menorah lighting, which draws folk from the whole
community and has broad support (Federation sends a speaker) is held
at an outdoor mall.


David Kaufmann
INTERNET:	david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu