HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dleschin@FEDS66.PRIME.COM (Dmitri Leschiner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Seeds for Russia: Response from Moscow
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:16:52 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>


    The following is the text of message I've got today from Moscow:
====================================================================
>From kiae!wowa.net.kiae.su!SUITERMailmenager!VasinA.@wowa.net.kiae.su Sat Apr
 11 14:48:59 1992
>Organization: Kurchatov Institute of Atomic Energy
>Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 11:09:20 +0003 (GMT+3:00)
>From: Vasin.A.@wowa.net.kiae.su, SU.ITER.Mail.menager@wowa.net.kiae.su
>Subject: Letter to Mr. Dmitri Leschiner
>
>From: Mrs. Kilpio J.
>To: Mr. Leschiner D.
>                    Dear Dmitri,
>     We have got your information on americans programm "Seeds for
>Russia". We are intrested in this  proposal  and
>we would like to participate in its implementation  in  Russia  in
>frame of Kurchatov Institute. To be  ready  for  colloboration  on
>this programm we would like  to  have  more  information  on  this
>project: the weight of the packeges ( a piece and total  ),  types
>of seeds, the dates of delivery in  Russia,  our  obligations  and
>expected payments.
>
>Best regards                                 J.Kilpio,
>                                             Chief of trade union
>                                             organization,  Plasma
>                                             Physic Department,
>                                             "Kurchatnik".
>Please, print word             My address:
>   "vasin"                     vasin@kiae.su
>in low-case letters            vasin%kiae.su@relay.eu.net
=====================================================================
(end of included message)

   I ask people who can answer these questions to respond, if possible,
directly to sender in Moscow (vasin@kiae.su) or at least send the answers
to me or post them through net so I can resend them to these people.
   Thanks very much in advance.
Dmitry.
From: gt4342d@prism.gatech.EDU (Sergey K. Asvadurov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: New group
Keywords: HOW?????
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:18:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: hydra.53872
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Does anyone know what to do in order to creat a new newsgroup? I think we really need the Russian.anecdotes or russian.humor group, uh? What to do to organise it? 
If anyone knows please, write back.
Sergey.

================================================================
Sergey K. Asvadurov
Internet: gt4342d@prism.gatech.edu
tel. (404) 676-1588
================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us (Sharon Machlis Gartenberg)
Subject: Envelope but no letter :-(
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:43:53 GMT

Again today I received a letter from the ex-USSR that was just a badly
damaged envelope with nothing inside it.

This is the second time that's happened (from different people). Am I
just particularly unlucky, or does this happen to others receiving mail
from the CIS? Is there a solution? (i.e. asking my friends to tape all around
the envelopes [assuming tape is available and not in short supply like
everything else :-( ], or advising them not to put too much stuff inside
the envelope?)

Sharon  
-- 
Sharon Machlis Gartenberg
Framingham, MA  USA
email: sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us   or   uunet!think.com!unixland!sharon
From: overmyer@GMUVAX2.GMU.EDU (Scott Overmyer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Traveling to Ukraine next month
Date: 12 Apr 92 12:33:33 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.

Renting a car is probably not a problem, however, finding petrol will
be.  I was in Ukraine 3 weeks ago, and there is a fairly severe shortage
for private vehicles.

scotto...

--
Scott P. Overmyer                 |  Phone: 703.683.8430 ext 712
Department of Systems Engineering |
George Mason University           |
Fairfax, VA 22030-4444 USA        |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: jailbird@next05pg2.wam.umd.edu (Who want's to know?)
Subject: Re: AIWA
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 11:08:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.184936.967@gtech.com> ayr@gtech.com (Aleksey Y.  
Romanov) writes:
> 
> 
> Hi, I would like to see SECAM video tapes in USA.  I saw information
> about new AIWA VCR  suitable for this porpose. But it seems
> impossible to buy AIWA product in USA. Please, give me some hints what
> model is it and where to buy.
> 
> 
> Thank you
> 
> 
> Aleksey Y. Romanov

What you can do is look in a video magazine, they should have several  
models for that format, the stores are probably in New York, after you  
find the model you can either go look for it or ask a local store to order  
it for you.

//jailbird//
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:3117 talk.politics.soviet:3453
From: ernestk@wam.umd.edu (TERMINATOR III)
Subject: E-mail in Russia
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:36:15 GMT


Does anybody know how to send e-mail in Russia?
From: jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: A SOLUTION to UNWANTED TURKISH POSTINGS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:04:06 GMT
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland


Just form alt.propaganda.turkish or something similar. I don't quite
understand why I have to read masses of Turkish propaganda in a group
called soc.culture.soviet. And why that crap is cross-posted at least to
half dozen newsgroups.

-- 
jjj@mits.mdata.fi   Mind         Heart         No      Me
jjj@niksula.hut.fi  Difference   Destruction   Death   You
From: mmarkish@FEDS46.PRIME.COM (Mark Markish x2799)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: homage to Sergei
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:00:23 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>


                        to Sergey Vizhniuk

On Internet, odin networker prostovatyi
Bezumnym vozhdelen'em vospylal
Po matershchine rukovodstvo poluchit'.
Drugoi, ne tratia lishnix slov, ego poslal.
Sil'nee by ne smog on vozrazit',
Xvalili vse otvet zamyslovatyi.
No, gospoda, zabavnyi sluchai sei
Somnenie nekoe vnushaet:
The Internet capacity is great,
A kazhdago poslat' - slov ne xvataet.
From: shmulevi@gibbs.physics.purdue.edu (Ilya Shmulevich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: try translating this :-)
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:05:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: dirac.7227
Reply-To: shmulevi@physics.purdue.edu
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet
Organization: Physics Department, Purdue University

Lampochka gorela, no Sveta ne davala.
Lampochka pogasla, i Sveta dala.

Ilya
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:3157 soc.culture.europe:3853
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: 'Gav*0' Goes To Turkish Genocide Museums In 'Erzurum' And 'Van.'
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:04:00 GMT


<22041522355761@WISCMACC.BitNet>
UCNICK@UMUC.BitNet (Nick Gavrielatos)

>I dont know about you mutlu, but i am in the point where i'm about
>to dump on you!

You can always move to another facility with two corners, 'Gav*0.'
 
Source: Doc. Dr. Azmi Suslu, "Russian View on the Atrocities Committed
        by the Armenians Against the Turks," Ankara Universitesi, Ankara,
        1987, pp. 45-53.

"The killings were organized by the doctors and the employers, and the
 act of killing was committed solely by the Armenian renegades...
 More than eight hundred unarmed and defenceless Turks have been
 killed in Erzincan. Large holes were dug and the defenceless 
 Turks were slaughtered like animals next to the holes. Later, the
 murdered Turks were thrown into the holes. The Armenian who stood 
 near the hole would say when the hole was filled with the corpses:
 'Seventy dead bodies, well, this hole can take ten more.' Thus ten
 more Turks would be cut into pieces, thrown into the hole, and when
 the hole was full it would be covered over with soil."

               (to be continued...)


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: pmaggs@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Peter B. Maggs)
Subject: Re: E-mail in Russia
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:49:41 GMT

ernestk@wam.umd.edu (TERMINATOR III) writes:
>Does anybody know how to send e-mail in Russia?
It's just like everywhere else.  You find out the email address
of the person you want to send mail to and send it, for instance
mail boris@kremlin.msk.su



Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: phvas@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Vsevolod A Sukhanovsky)
Subject: Communist Nostalgia
Summary: -
Keywords: zhopa kommi serp pizdets
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 01:49:17 GMT

Just a few popular proverbs:

1/ Za kommunistami pojdesh' - dorogu v zhizni najdesh'.
2/ Nabirajsja sily u grudi materi, a uma - u Kommunisticheskoj partii.
3/ Slavitsja pole snopami, a Sovetskoe pravitel'stvo - delami.
4/ Potomu nam khorosho zhivetsja, chto druzhba narodov v strane
vedetsja.
5/ Ran'she zhili - sljozy lili, teper' zhivem - schast'e kuem. 
             (outdated)
6/ My muzhajem i rastem, za partiej idem.


Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:3153 soc.culture.europe:3848
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: ...Not Even For One Day - In The History Of The World, 'The*.'
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:52:00 GMT


<1992Apr14.075828.15932@wuecl.wustl.edu>
tpd1@cec1.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David)

>Why bother answering to this ......... Yiannis? 

Keep searching for ways to protect your ego, 'The*.'

>Mutlu...have you ever been to Cyprus? Where ever you turn your head, you
>see ancient Greek Ruins, Byzantine churches, let alone that as Yiannis
>noted (in case you didn't know) 80% of the population are Greeks (Greek-Cypriot
>if you like). Where did all these come from. Did the Turks brought them there?

I was convinced that no one could have a more warped sense of the world.
Do you think you've diddled around long enough with my article? It is the 
same mentality which allows Greeks to rationalize that Cyprus is a Greek 
Island. No history book shows that it ever was. It belonged to the Ottoman 
Turks 'lock, stock and barrel' for a period of well over 300 years.
In fact, prior to the Turks' acquisition of it, following bloody naval 
battles with the Venetians in 1570 AD, the island of Cyprus belonged, 
invariably, to several nations: The Assyrians, the Sumerians, the Phoenicians, 
the Egyptians, the Ottoman Turks, of course in that order, owned it as 
their territory. But, it has never been the possession of the government 
of Greece - not even for one day - in the history of the world. Moreover, 
Cyprus is located 1500 miles from the Greek mainland, but only 40 miles 
from Turkiye's southern coastline.

>And don't bother to reply... I have a wonderful KILL file that takes care
>all of your articles....inlcuding those with the new account (hbm)

Sigh. It has been reported that the Greek Cypriot administration has 
an intense desire for arms and that Greece has made plans to supply 
it with the tanks and armored vehicles it has to destroy in accordance 
with the agreement reached on conventional arms reductions in Europe. 
Meanwhile, Greek and Greek Cypriot officials are reported to have 
planned to take ostentatious measures aimed at camouflaging the 
transfer of these tanks and armored vehicles to southern Cyprus, 
a process that will conflict with the spirit of the agreement on 
conventional arms reduction in Europe.


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:3161 soc.culture.europe:3857
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Facts 'Gav*0' Never Learned In Greece: Genocide Of 2.5 Million Turks.
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:05:00 GMT




<22041523343807@WISCMACC.BitNet>
UCNICK@UMUC.BitNet (Nick Gavrielatos)

>There werent any sources like that... some did in fact exist,
>but they contained no articles at the pages they were listing
>as evidence, they contained no such articles in the book. Period!
 
Just think how much calmer you will feel next time you find
the following reference; think how your stress-o-meter will 
go down when you visit a library, 'Gav*0.'

"We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as 
 ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work 
 of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. 
 Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts 
 into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable 
 and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets 
 completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They 
 found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border 
 into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole 
 length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to 
 Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain 
 plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of 
 Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for 
 howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the 
 scattered bones of the dead." 

                             Ohanus Appressian
                                March, 1924
                            "Men Are Like That"
                                   p. 202.

                  (to be continued...)

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Re: '*.*.soviet' Includes More Than 50 Million Turks, 'Joni.'
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 11:40:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.193501.6045@cns.umist.ac.uk> ko@cns.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven) writes:
>han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
>
>
>><1992Apr14.100406.4894@mits.mdata.fi>
>>jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla)
>
>>>Just form alt.propaganda.turkish or something similar. I don't quite
>>>understand why I have to read masses of Turkish propaganda in a group
>>>called soc.culture.soviet.
>
>>A group called '*.*.soviet' also includes more than 50 million
>>Turks, 'Joni.'
>
>>                '*.*.soviet' =/ '*.*.russia'
>                                  ^^^^^^^^^^
>
>I disagree with hbm. Even if it were *.*.russia then "Turkish probaganda"
>would still discuss the culture, history, and political condition of
>10 % Turkish minority in and out of "autonomous" Turkish republics in the
>so-called Russia. We could also discuss about the continuous opression of the
>Tartar Turks and their present freedom movement, that was resulted with 60 %
>yes vote to liberation from Russia.
>
>So *.*.russia does not save Mr Jarvenkyla's argument. *.*.soviet certainly
>not. But a soc.culture.armenian would decrease the number of articles,
>if Armenian netters had not opposed to that idea in last years voting.
>
>Kutluk

Were those Armenian voters by any chance afraid of having their group
flooded with Mr. Mutlu's postings? One can feel for them. And I do not
think it would stop Mr. Mutlu from posting his articles in any other
newsgroup that he deems fit for his rather irrelevant ramblings.

(BTW, Mr. Mutlu, don't bother to answer this on the net. I won't read it,
I have a kill file :-) 

PS: Please note that I deleted some of the newsgroups in the distribution
list. I left s.c.soviet since that seems where the discussion originated,
and s.c.europe since that is where I read Kutluk's posting.
-- 
-- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
 -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
"O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,  ]
 die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder ]
From: Marcus L. Endicott <mendicott@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Date: 08 Apr 92 11:18 PDT
Subject: FYI: U.S.Peace Corps -> C.I.S.
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1474600028:000:1413
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!mendicott    Apr  8 11:18:00 1992


>PEACE CORPS of the United States
>WASHINGTON RECRUITING OFFICE
 
>Thank you for applying to serve as a Peace Corps Volunteer in the
>Commonwealth of Independent States.  Many Americans, such as yourself, have
>answered our call and have submitted applications.
 
>You have indeed applied during historic times as the two superpowers are
>shifting from foe to friend.  We are grateful for the tremendous public
>response to this initiative.  We wish we could accept all of the people who
>would like to help.
>
>While we anticipate a need for Volunteers in your field, the total number of
>Volunteers who will be sent to the former Soviet Union has not been finalized
>and is still subject to change.  If we are not able to place you in one of
>these countries, I hope you will consider a position in other areas of the
>world.  The need for Volunteers today is greater than ever.
>
>We appreciate your desire to serve in Peace Corps and join the 6,000 other
>Volunteers currently serving in over 90 countries throughout the world.
 
>1555 WILSON BLVD., SUITE 701, ARLINGTON, VA 22209
>Telephones (Voice & TDD): 703-235-9191, 800-551-2214
 
===
 
The story is that for the first flush of Peace Corps Volunteers requested by
the CIS their standards are relatively high.  They are only interested in
business people with an MBA and two years experience, and people with English
as a Second Language (ESL) training.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:3162 soc.culture.europe:3858
From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: ...And Cut Their Heads Off One By One, 'Gav*0.'
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:05:00 GMT



<22041523453713@WISCMACC.BitNet>
UCNICK@UMUC.BitNet (Nick Gavrielatos)

>Most importantly, women can now choose to take estrogen after
>menopause to cut their risk of bludder disease and
>mutlu-oporosis...

If it is 'the truth' that is causing your stress, here's how to deal
with, 'Gav*0.' First, take a break and defuse your anger. Anger doesn't
lead to good rational thinking. Then,...
 
Source: Doc. Dr. Azmi Suslu, "Russian View on the Atrocities Committed
        by the Armenians Against the Turks," Ankara Universitesi, Ankara,
        1987, pp. 45-53.

"The Armenians responsible for the act of murdering would frequently
 fill a house with eighty Turks, and cut their heads off one by one.
 Following the Erzincan massacre, the Armenians began to withdraw
 towards Erzurum... The Armenian renegades among those who withdrew
 to Erzurum from Erzincan raided the Moslem villages on the road, and
 destroyed the entire population, together with the villages.

 During the transportation of the cannons, ammunition and the carriages
 that were outside the war area, certain people were hired among the 
 Kurdish population to conduct the horse carriages. While the travellers
 were passing through Erzurum, the Armenians took advantage of the time
 when the Russian soldiers were in their dwellings and began to kill
 the Kurds they had hired. When the Russian soldiers heard the cries
 of the dying Kurds, they attempted to help them. However, the 
 Armenians threatened the Russian soldiers by vowing that they would
 have the same fate if they intervened, and thus prevented them from
 acting. All these terrifying acts of slaughter were committed with
 hatred and loathing."

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: schwarz@amer.cis.udel.edu (Grigori Schwarz)
Subject: Re: Grad Math in Russia: Steklov, Novosibirsk, etc
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:46:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.022927.5919@physics.ucla.edu> viznyuk@physics.ucla.edu (Viznyuk) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.222601.18117@watdragon.waterloo.edu> plcheck@daisy.waterloo.edu (Paul Check) writes:
>>Dear Reader,
>>
>>   I am interested in information on studying graduate level mathematics
>>in Russia.  Particularly, there are two institutes I have noticed
>>by browsing through journal articles, namely the Steklov Institute
>>and the (?) Novosibirsk Math Institute (?).  I have no knowledge
>>of Russian, but am willing to take some time (1 year) to learn the
>>basics.  My questions are:
>>
>>1. Do these or other universities in Russia take foreign students?
>>2. Is it possible to study at these places with 1 year of Russian
>>   background?
>>3. Does anybody have the e-mail/realmail addresses of these places?
>>
>>While all responses are welcome, any opinions of past/present students of
>>Russian math programs would be great!
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Paul Check
>>plcheck@daisy.waterloo.edu
>
>  Steklov Institute is non-educational institution. The same
>is true probably about Novosibirsk Math Institute.
>So I think you would not get any math courses there.
>Try to get to Mechanical-Mathematical Dept of Moscow
>State University.
>S.V.

Yes, they both (Steklov and the Math institute in Novosibirsk) are 
non-educational and do not have undergrads, but they both admit a few
graduate students (``aspiranty'') each year. First, you (the poster
of the 1st message) have to find somebody there whose research interests 
match yours; there is an e-mail in Steklov (with the extension ...mian.su);
you may want to send me a private e-mail indicating your interests and
maybe I can give you some e-addresses. 

G.S.

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