HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: morris@anasaz (Bob Morris)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: "Exact"-ness
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:04:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: anasaz.1992Apr13.150416.9029
Distribution: usa
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Az

I think that this discussion (argument?) would be a LOT shorter if
we could agree on a definition of "exact science".  Until then,
we're just blowing smoke, and afterwards, it'll be pretty easy to
determine which sciences, including meteorology, fit the definition.

Bob Morris
morris@anasazi.com  (new address)
anasaz!morris@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (old address still works)
My opinions only, of course...
From: sailor@cellar.org (Rick Emerson)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: Weather forecasting (was: Re: Dateline : NBC)
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:12:07 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

korins-russ@CS.YALE.EDU (Russ Korins) writes:

> I agree that that guy who lied about the tornado and Doppler radar should NOT
> remain a mystery.  He should be as thoroughly embarrassed as possible, and th
> AMS should definitely know about it.
> 
> Only by weeding out the bad guys can we ever hope for weather to become a 
> well-respected part of news broadcasts.
>  
> -- 
> Russ Korins                        1)   korins-russ@yale.edu
> PO Box 520 Yale Station            2)   korrusj@yalevm.bitnet
> New Haven CT  06520-0520           3)   korrusj@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu
>                                       

A point of caution:  if someone makes the statement that John Doe is a liar
and an incompetent meteorologist in public (and it can be argued that this
newsgroup is a public forum) without justification, this could be viewed as
libel.  Given the tone of the thread, I'd procede with more than a little
caution.  To say John Doe can't read a radar display is one thing, to call
John Doe a liar on the basis of what was stated here... I sure would be real
careful about giving John Doe's name.  

 | Richard B. Emerson     | Reply to Rick@SSG.com                           |
 | System Support Group   |-------------------------------------------------+
 | Post Office Box 180    |   "Choose to chance the rapids                  |
 | Lansdale, PA 19446 USA |    And dare to dance the tide." -- Garth Brooks |
From: stricher@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: Upper level high for hurricances?
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:47:32 GMT
Distribution: na

Andrew Nash writes

+ interaction with upper-level TUTT lows can increase the storms outflow,

TUTT - Tropical Upper Tropospheric Trough [ugggh...who came up with this
acronymn anyway???]

in case someone asks...

James
Xref: sparky sci.geo.meteorology:1827 sci.geo.geology:1021 comp.graphics:5199 comp.graphics.visualization:743
From: ken@uf.msc.edu (Ken Chin-Purcell)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology,sci.geo.geology,comp.graphics,comp.graphics.visualization
Subject: RE: CIA World Data Bank: Anybody decoded it?
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:05:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: uc.1992Apr6.150527.6234
Reply-To: ken@msc.edu
Organization: AHPCRC

I wrote a quick filter for the CIA database.  To grab it:

ftp pi1.arc.umn.edu   (that's 137.66.130.11)
user: anonymous, passwd: mail address
cd pub
get mfil.shar


From the README:

Mfil is a quick ditty for decoding the CIA World Bank database.  I
wrote and used mfil to extract boundary data for the Persian Gulf
region.  The processed files were used for a real time simulation of the
Kuwait Smoke Plume.

The database is organized by regional files, with separate files for
coastlines, political boundaries (besides coasts), and rivers.
Within each files there are runs of line segments, with integer 
coordinates in degree seconds.  The runs are graded by rank,
with rank one features most prominent.

Mfil produces a series of four byte integers (C longs):

# of runs

(for each run...)
	# of segements
	x, y
	x, y
	...


For example, to extract the rank one coastlines for the Persian Gulf:

mfil -r 1 -b 47.0x24.0 -t 56.5x31.2 asia.Map/cil.cbd > c1


Remember, x and y are in degree seconds.  It should be easy enough to
read these arrays in (it was for me at least) and use gl() line
routines.  Below is some C code, without error checking, for reading
and drawing the map line using gl.  For real code, please check the
result of fread() and malloc()!

[ Iris gl code left out ]

-- 
--  Ken Chin-Purcell, Graphics, AHPCRC, Minnesota Supercomputer Ctr.
--            also known as ken@msc.edu and 612-626-8090
From: rdale@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Dale)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: 55 Years Ago...
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:48:22 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


Deja Vu all over again...

** WWUS34 KOKC 092332 ***
SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE OKLAHOMA CITY OK
630 PM CDT THU APR 9 1992 

...SEVERE THUNDERSTORM PRODUCING TORNADOES IN WOODWARD AND
ELLIS COUNTIES...

AT 630 PM TORNADOES WERE OCCURRING ALONG A LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS
STRETCHING FROM NEAR CURTIS...TO 4 MILES NORTH OF WOODWARD...ACROSS FORT
SUPPLY TO 10 MILES NORTH OF SHATTUCK. THE STORMS WERE MOVING SLOWLY
SOUTHEAST AROUND 5 MPH. SOME REPORTS OF DAMAGE AND GOLFBALL SIZE HAIL
HAVE BEEN RECEIVED FROM AREAS NORTH OF WOODWARD...AND HAIL UP TO
BASEBALL SIZE HAS BEEN REPORTED NEAR FORT SUPPLY. TORNADO DEVELOPMENT IS
POSSIBLE ANYWHERE ALONG THIS LINE OF STORMS AND PERSONS IN WOODWARD AND
NORTHERN ELLIS COUNTY SHOULD SEEK SHELTER. 


** ABUS1 KWBC 092000 ***
 NWX1
NATIONAL WEATHER SUMMARY
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE KANSAS CITY MO
3PM CDT THU APR 09 1992

*** THIS DATE IN WEATHER HISTORY ***

ON THIS DATE IN 1947...A TORNADO STRUCK WOODWARD OK DURING THE
LATE EVENING KILLING 95 PERSONS AND CAUSING SIX MILLION DOLLARS
DAMAGE.  THE TORNADO...ONE TO TWO MILES IN WIDTH...AND TRAVELING
AT A SPEED OF 68 MPH...KILLED A TOTAL OF 167 PERSONS ALONG
ITS 221 MILE PATH FROM TEXAS INTO KANSAS.  THE TORNADO INJURED
980 PERSONS...AND CAUSED NEARLY TEN MILLION DOLLARS DAMAGE.

HUGH CROWTHER
NATIONAL SEVERE STORMS FORECAST CENTER
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From: lavoiea@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Lavoie Alain)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology,comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Looking for imagery and data
Summary: GOES satellite, meteorological database
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:47:51 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal


Hello,

I am looking for an FTP source for GOES satellite imagery.  I am mainly
interested by what is known as the GA (North America) et CN (Canada) sectors 
in visible and infrared band, full spectrum.  I would also be interested 
by Meteosat, GMS, Landsat, Spot and canadian radar imagery.  

Also, I would like to know if there is a telnet access to current canadian
meteorological data. Specifically, I'm looking for a public access to SA, SM, 
FPCN* and FXCN*. I know that some telnet services are available for the 
US data, but I have not seen anything like it for canadian's data.

Thanks!

| Alain Lavoie              |     
| Computer Laboratory       |     
| Dept. of Geography        | 
| University of Montreal    |     
| Canada                    | 
| lavoiea@ere.umontreal.ca  | 
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: rballard@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Rick Ballard)
Subject: Re: Big BOOMS over east coast in 1970's - what were they?
Organization: Software Kinetics Ltd.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:50:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.164447.3874@ecl.psu.edu> tag@ecl.psu.edu writes:
> 
>According to my sources (i.e. somebody who was involved in discovering the
>cause of these booms in the 1970's), they were caused by inbound Concorde
>flights to New York.  The Concorde was deaccelerating to subsonic too
>close to land, and shock waves produced by the (still) supersonic craft were
>propagating along the ocean as a surface wave.  The surface wave was
>audible at far greater distances than direct sound from the aircraft's
>Mach cone.  The solutin, or modification to the Concorde's flight
>plans to quiet the anomalous booms heard along the New England/Nova Scotia
>coast, involved bringing the Concorde down to subsonic speed at a position
>further away from land.

>Tom Gionfriddo
>Penn State Univ.

 I still heard booms on the eastern shore of Nova Scotia as late as last 
fall.Sometimes they occur as groups of 3 or 4 double booms, repeated again 
up to a half an hour later. I have heard them up to 4 times a day, hours 
apart. The booms are very low frequency, and loud enough to shake the 
windows. Also, they are not heard inland. They are never heard at night or 
in the winter, the same as the reports from the 1890s from NS in Corliss's 
book. He referances the following articles : Monthly Weather Review , 26:152-
154, April 1898 Scientific American, p 403, June 27, 1896If these are the 
same booms, and they sound remarkably similar, sonic booms would seem to be 
ruled out. Is there anyone out there who has access to journals from the 
1890s, and could verify Corliss's referances ?








=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Rick Ballard                 | rballard @ fox.nstn.ns.ca
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada |
From: 00bndaniels@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: <None>
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:25:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Apr17.132526.6657

"Severe Storms in Indiana"                                  
	I live in Muncie,Indiana and last night (4-16-92) there was alot
of severe weather in the state.  The radio stated that a severe thunderstorm
watch was issed at about 1:30 P.M.   I am curious to know who issues
watches and/or warnings for Indiana?  I always thought the National 
Weather Service in Indianapolis did?  Is this true, or does the Severe
Storms Forcast Center do that ?          
     Thanks for your time.
Barron Daniels
BSU, Muncie Indiana
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: ritley@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: THUNDER
Reply-To: ritley@uiucmrl.bitnet ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:40:13 GMT


Is thunder a serious topic of research in meteorology?  Was it ever?
From: tag@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Boundary layer depth determination
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:52:16 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University


I am looking for a way to predict the turbulent boundary 
layer depth given surface weather data (as would be recorded 
by a NOAA station) to be used in my sonic boom thesis research.  
A rough estimate is all that's needed (+/-200m).  
Formulas appreciated.  Thank you.

Tom Gionfriddo
Penn State Univ.
From: sailor@cellar.org (Rick Emerson)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: "Weathering The Storm"
Date: 11 Apr 92 14:23:56 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

I finally had a chance to see Michelle Gillen's piece from Dateline: NBC. 
It is indeed a mix of inuendo, emotionalism, and the sort of "pit bull"
journalism that seems to be par for NBC/ABC/CBS these days.  I have all the
sympathy in the world for Adele Hunt and the circumstances under which she
lost her husband make her situation even worse (if this is ever possible)
than it might have been.  But Plainfield has been offered up by NWS as an
error.  No one disputes that.

WTS, however, failed to put the disaster in context.  The business of the
Ohio flood and the story's implication that rain gauges that were not in
place caused the losses is another instance of leaping to conclusions.  

Gillen's curious imitation of Mike Wallace with Joe Friday was simply
incredible.  Again, facts, presented out of context, were arranged to make
the situation seem far worse than it is.  Worse still, the problems that do
exist and which the general public could do something about were left
undiscussed.  Nowhere was there a mention of spotters, for example.  

And, of course, the closing exchange between Jane Pauley and Gillen about
the state of (although not named) the GOES satellites pretty well described
the whole piece.  Yes, there is only one unclassified satellite giving
continuous coverage of the US and its life expectancy is uncertain.  But
this ignores the still functional (although not imaging) GOES 6, the plan to
use Meteosat for Atlantic coverage, and the still functional polar
satellites.  

 | Richard B. Emerson     | Reply to Rick@SSG.com                           |
 | System Support Group   |-------------------------------------------------+
 | Post Office Box 180    |   "Choose to chance the rapids                  |
 | Lansdale, PA 19446 USA |    And dare to dance the tide." -- Garth Brooks |
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: stumpf@nsslsun.nssl.uoknor.edu (Greg Stumpf)
Subject: Re: chaos tornado
Keywords: chaos, tornado
Organization: National Severe Storms Laboratory
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:25:27 GMT

In article <1346@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> pfgarvey@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Patrick F. Garvey) writes:
>
>1- do buildings implode due to the pressure changes incurred during a
>tornado, or is it due to the shear forces of the wind. also, should one
>close their windows during a tornado?

Wind.

Attempting to close your windows while a tornado is approaching only decreases
the amount of time for you to seek secure shelter.

Additionally, a major portion of damage is considered "secondary".  That is,
damage inflicted by flying debris.

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Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: korins-russ@CS.YALE.EDU (Russ Korins)
Subject: Re: Dateline : NBC
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:48:44 GMT

I think Char, like NBC, took something and used it completely out of context.

When I said that the public must understand the limitations of meteorologists,
I was defending meteorologists, not criticizing them.

It seemed to me that Char was implying that there are NO limitations to what
meteorologists can do.  Well, you don't have to be a meteorologist to know that
that attitude is naive at best.

The point of this discussion is not to challenge non-meteorologists into
predicting a bunch of temperatures and rainfall amounts.  An attitude of
"fine, let's see what YOU can do" will not be constructive.

One need not be a meteorologist to be able to think about these issues and
discuss them.  When I said that meteorologists face limitations, I should
not have been attacked by a meteorologist because I am not one.  As long
as meteorologists like Char take the attitude that only meteorologists are
high and mighty enough to discuss the communicational aspects of weather 
forecasting and reporting, we will never be able to have a constructive
discussion and/or debate from which people can learn and broaden their
perspectives.  Isn't that what this newsgroup is all about?

   
-- 
Russ Korins                        1)   korins-russ@yale.edu
PO Box 520 Yale Station            2)   korrusj@yalevm.bitnet
New Haven CT  06520-0520           3)   korrusj@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu
From: rtp1@quads.uchicago.edu (raymond thomas pierrehumbert)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: "Exact"-ness
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:31:07 GMT
Reply-To: rtp1@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


>found that meteorologists do not have a complete understanding
>of the atmosphere.

So what?  Cosmologists don't have a complete understanding of the
origins of the universe or of the behavior of matter in the first
three minutes.  Astrophysicists do not have a complete understanding
of heat transport in convecting stellar envelopes.  Particle 
physicists do not have a complete understanding of the behavior
of the strong interactions.  

The above statement does not imply that meteorology is not an
"exact" science.  The implication is only that meteorology is
a SCIENCE, plain and simple, like any other.  Since when
does a subject have to be fossilized before it can count
as an "exact science?"
From: stricher@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: Dateline : NBC
Date: 11 Apr 92 06:22:16 GMT
Distribution: usa

Russ Korins writes

+ The issue is not which science is the most inexact or exact.  The issue is
+ making sure the public understands the limitations of meteorologists, and
+ trying to minimize the effect of those limitations in preserving life and
+ property.

I'm feeling flamish this morning...indulge me.

How did the NBC piece enhance this understanding in the general public?

For all the non-meteorologists out there who feel that we're a bunch of
clowns who couldn't save our necks with a correct forecast, I issue a
challenge.

For the next week, make your own predictions. Write 'em down. Use the nearest
reporting weather station as verification. I'll even make it easy, just 
temperature and precipitation. 

James
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: holder@cse.uta.edu (Larry Holder)
Subject: Structural Databases
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, Univ. of Texas at Arlington
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:47:06 GMT

We are looking for databases to be used for testing an intelligent
structural data analysis tool.  The database should be structural or a
flat representation of a structural environment (e.g., coordinates of
3d entities).  The database will be converted to a graph
representation for input to the system.  Any pointers to such
databases would be appreciated.

Thank you.

-- 
Larry Holder (holder@cse.uta.edu)

University of Texas at Arlington, Department of Computer Science Engineering
Box 19015, Arlington, TX 76019-0015, Phone: 817-273-2596, FAX: 817-273-2548
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: hondl@nsslsun.nssl.uoknor.edu (Kurt Hondl)
Subject: Re: Weather forecasting (was: Re: Dateline : NBC)
Summary: large dish results in small beamwidth
Keywords: Beamwidth 
Organization: National Severe Storms Laboratory
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:05:20 GMT

>>>
>Are you sure he was specifically talking about a TVS?  At that range,
>about 130 miles, he would obviously be looking high up into the storm.
>He could still see velocities, but not on a scale small enough to see
>a TVS.  He was probably seeing somewhere from 25000 to 30000 feet up 
>into the storm.  The question is, would there be 112 mph horizontal
>winds this high up into the storm?  I've seen the WSR-88D show doppler
>velocities for a storm over my hometown of Buffalo, Ok, which is 33
>miles NW of Woodward, but not of that magnitude.  I do believe,     
>however, that this weatherperson's radar has a smaller beamwidth
>than the 88D due to the large dish. 

LARGER DISH = SMALLER BEAMWIDTH

beamwidth =~ 140 * wavelength / Diameter of dish


>                                     I'm not trying to defend him,
>but I've had a lot of my friends ask me about this, and I was 
>trying to puzzle it out.  I especially liked when another Ok. City
>weatherperson(who shall remain anonymous, but did flunk out of OU
>before he began earning his 6-figure salary) called him a liar.
>
>


Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: korins-russ@CS.YALE.EDU (Russ Korins)
Subject: Re: Weather forecasting (was: Re: Dateline : NBC)
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:57:00 GMT

I agree that that guy who lied about the tornado and Doppler radar should NOT 
remain a mystery.  He should be as thoroughly embarrassed as possible, and the
AMS should definitely know about it.

Only by weeding out the bad guys can we ever hope for weather to become a 
well-respected part of news broadcasts.
 
-- 
Russ Korins                        1)   korins-russ@yale.edu
PO Box 520 Yale Station            2)   korrusj@yalevm.bitnet
New Haven CT  06520-0520           3)   korrusj@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu
                                      
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: jlevit@geoblue.gcn.uoknor.edu (Jason John Levit)
Subject: Re: How can Universities get displays of NEXRAD data?
Organization: Geosciences Computing Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:00:29 GMT

>
>Is anyone predicting an F3 or F4 tornado (undetermined location) for 
>Saturday afternoon? (time is 01:40 UTC Friday as I write this). We have a
>couple of people thinking of driving out to KS/S IA/ OK/ whereever/ to
>go storm chasing-- a real exciting jet streak is coming in off the Pacific
>and the Gulf is open.
>

  Yeah, all of us here down in Oklahoma are getting ready for whatever comes
  tomorrow.  This system currently barelling down from the north has been
  talked about for days and days, and the pattern change which is now
  ocurring looks really exciting...at least it is a welcome departure from
  what we had about two weeks ago.  The situation appears to suggest the hint
  of genuine supercells tomorrow afternoon...


  Jason J. Levit
  jlevit@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu
From: sost@cs.utk.edu (Susan Ostrouchov)
Newsgroups: sci.comp-aided
Subject: LAPACK DISTRIBUTION
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:14:56 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: barney.cs.utk.edu
Originator: sost@barney.cs.utk.edu

Subject:LAPACK DISTRIBUTION 

To all prospective LAPACK users!

Due to the recent mail on the network concerning the availability
of LAPACK we thought that we should send a brief message.

We prefer that you DO NOT ftp or redistribute LAPACK to others, but 
that you direct them to netlib, xnetlib, and/or NAG.  The reason for not
wanting secondary distribution is that we would not be able to contact
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The entire LAPACK package is available via xnetlib and NAG, or specific
routines can be obtained via netlib.  To see a description of the contents
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Xnetlib is an X-version of netlib recently developed at the University
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xnetlib uses an X Window graphical user interface and a socket-based
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To receive a copy of xnetlib send the message "send xnetlib.shar from
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When you receive the shar file, remove the mail header, save it to a
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