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From: jac54@cas.org
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.desert-storm,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:34:13 GMT
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio

In article <BvrJx0.DM4@unix.amherst.edu> pdchapin@unix.amherst.edu (PAUL D CHAPIN) writes:
> (jac54@cas.org) wrote:
>:      Evidently, the U.S. was paying the Soviets to arm the
>:      Iraqis :-)
>:
>:      Alec Chambers.
>
>I think that the usual claim is that by looking the other way during some
>dubious transactions, particularly grain deals, we help arrange financing
>for Iranian weapons.  The only cases I know of where it's claimed that
>significant purchases were made in the U.S. are for industrial equipment
>needed for the chemical and nuclear programs.  These wouldn't show up in
>any weapons list.  I also don't think that the administration even denies
>that some bad decisions were made in doing this, just that they weren't
>illegal.
>
	Having thought about this overnight I see no reason why
	the Iraqis should have been stopped from:

1.      Manufacturing chlorine gas for water treatment,

2.      Manufacturing organophosphorus pesticides for crop protection,

3.      Manufacturing vaccines for prevention of disease (Baghdad is the
	Leishmanniasis capital of the world);  neither should they be
	prevented from developing new vaccines,

4.      Developing nuclear power as a way to lessen internal demand for
	oil,

	unless everybody else was stopped from doing these things too.
	These are all legitimate uses of technologies that can, with a
	few bangs with a hammer and a tweak with a screwdriver, be turned
	into militarily useful technologies (e.g. one can go from making
	the pesticide Sevin to the nerve gas Sarin simply by changing
	very simple feedstocks and operating temperatures).  It would
	indeed be an interesting approach to tell a government that you
	wish to be on friendly terms with them but you won't allow
	them to have a chlorine plant to make the water safe to drink.

	Dual-use technologies are a terrible dilemma when it comes to
	export regulation and it's no surprise that people are now
	claiming that bad decisions were made.  At the time they probably
	looked like good decisions for reasons that are a little
	embarrasing now.

	Looking the other way for weapons sales during the Iran-Iraq war
	shouldn't surprise anyone.  The lack of understanding of the
	Middle East in the West is epidemic and this led to making a
	lot of decisions when it would have been far better to sit on
	the fence with both ears to the ground than to start choosing
	sides on the basis of the bloody awful "the enemy of my enemy
	is my friend (don't interrupt if you've heard it before.)."

	Whatever the history of this political farce should turn out to
	be, and however you care to argue about it, the truth is that a
	lot of innocent people are hurting as a result of it.  As far as
	the Iraqis in the street is concerned, I think they would be
	apalled at the time and energy that we're wasting on this sort
	of argument when they can't afford a weeks worth of food for
	the family.

	Alec Chambers
From: dione@achilles.lpl.Arizona.EDU (Matt Cheselka)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: PEACE OPERATION SOMALIA - UPDATE
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:26:12 GMT
Organization: Lunar and Planetary Lab, U of AZ

PEACE OPERATION SOMALIA - UPDATE 09 October 1992

Peace Operation Somalia, based at the University of Arizona in Tucson,
Arizona, is a grassroots organization dedicated to a peaceful and effective
solution to the situation in Somalia and the other coutries in the Horn
of Africa.  We are bringing together local Non-Governmental Organizations and
relief organizations working in Somalia to achieve our goal to rebuild
Somalia.

Our last meeting on 6 October 1992 was smaller than the week before, but still
much was accomplished and we are pressing on.

A moment of silence was obsvered to contemplate the 21,000 Somali's that
died last week, and to think about what we did to make life in Somalia a
little better.

There were two main focuses this week.  First, we all wrote letters to
several US leaders (Secretary of State Eagleburger, our senators and 
representatives, the president, etc.) to make sure that Somalia is kept in
their minds as well.

The second main point was discussing our table at the University of Arizona,
and how we can use it effectively to directly help the Somali people.  

	1. The table will keep Somalia in the minds of everyone who walks by.
	2. The table will eventaully be used to sell T-shirts, posters, and
	   accept donations from passers-by.
	3. All donations and profits will go towards buying rice and other
	   staples needed in Somalia.  After we are able to buy one ton
	   of rice, we will get it and ship it to Somalia via a yet to be
	   determined relief organization.
	4. We will make sure local media is present when we ship the rice out,
	   and hopefully other media will be in Somalia filming the 
	   delivery of our donation when it arrives at the distribution
	   points.
	5. This, we hope, will begin a larger drive to send more and more
	   rice (and other things) over there.

One way to encourage people around here to donate cash is to have a "don't
drink a coke day" and donate the $0.50 to Peace Operation Somalia.  If
everyone on this campus would do that, we could easily raise $25,000.

We learned that one ton of rice costs about $120.00.

We are also looking for email contacts around the United States.  We are
hoping to become the center of a national campaign to solve the short term
(feeding the people who are starving to death) and the long term (the
rebuilding of Somalia and the Horn of Africa) problems.

If you want to be a part of this national campaign, please drop me a line,
my email address is listed below.  

Peace to all,

Matt Cheselka, Vice President
Peace Operation Somalia

(602) 881-1509

dione@argus.lpl.arizona.edu
--
***************************************************
*   Matt Cheselka                                 *
*      "My country is the world and               *
*       my religion is to do good" - Thomas Paine *
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.politics.elections
From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Subject: Re: The Decline of America: Priorities (III)
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:50:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.035937.14724@mont.cs.missouri.edu> harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:

>The Decline of America: Priorities (III)

     These become more entertaining as the days go by...

>"In a Time/CNN poll 2 weeks ago, 3/4 of Americans said they favored an
>increase in the income tax rate of the wealthiest in America...

     It's amazing how people agree on taxing others than themselves.

>Non Social Security domestic spending, as a percentage of GNP,
>declined during the Reagan years from 9.8% to 7.3%

     I wasn't aware this was, in and of itself, a bad thing.  Wouldn't
it be a *good* thing if the GNP increased faster than governmental
spending?
     I know the GNP went up a great deal during the "Reagan/Bush" years.


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From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:32 PDT
Subject: Houston raises 0,000 for Somalia
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Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Oct 13 17:32:00 1992


From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject: Houston raises 0,000 for Somalia

/* Written  5:04 pm  Oct 13, 1992 by AFRICA-L@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU in cdp:bitl.africa */
/* ---------- "Houston raises $50,000 for Somalia" ---------- */
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From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse>
Subject:      Houston raises $50,000 for Somalia

The Somalian Relief Association in Houston held a dinner for the
Houston Islamic Community on October 3 and raised $50,000 for the
International Committee for the Red Cross.

The Public Relations Officer, Shamsa Ali, said she thought they got
so much money because they had a very "compelling video."  Sure
sounds like it was compelling.  I'm sending her some shipping-and-handling
money plus leftover as donation ($5) and a tape to get a copy.\

Others may want to do the same.

Her phone number is 713-558-7440
OTHER RELATIVELY GOOD NEWS

Doctors Without Borders confirmed on the phone today the "cautious
optimism" if the International Red Cross.  They said things are better
because of increased supplies and increasing aid.


They will be holding a press conference November 23.

Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
From: bob@medrcw.b17b.ingr.com (Robert Whitehead)
Subject: Re: Media Bias
Reply-To: bob@medrcw.b17b.ingr.com
Organization: Vulcan Science Academy Foreign Student Union
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:32:55 GMT

In article <ld60ehINNoom@spim.mti.sgi.com>, mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen) writes:
|> Steven R Fordyce) writes:

|> President Bush ... supported the Brady bill,...

In truth, Bush did not support the Brady Bill; he said that he would
sign the Omnibus Crime Bill (containing Brady) if Congress would
pass it.  If Brady had been successfully separated from the OCB, passed,
and set to Bush, he had sworn to veto it (as he should).

In any event, the point about Brady is moot; it is dead, and every
attempt to resurrect it will be met with swift and uncompromising
action by NRA.  How many times do we have to defeat that bill before
Kennedy/HCI gets the message?
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"... the things love can drive a man to -- the ecstasies,
the miseries, the broken rules, the desperate chances, the
glorious failures and the glorious victories."
    -- McCoy, "Requiem for Methuselah," Stardate 5843.7
Xref: sparky alt.activism.d:3595 alt.rush-limbaugh:6724 talk.politics.misc:49953
From: weverett@jarthur.claremont.edu (William M. Everett)
Subject: Re: ABORTION: WHEN Does Human Life BEGIN?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:45:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.172706.1719@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>
>          
>
>                     ABORTION: WHEN DOES HUMAN LIFE BEGIN?
>
>          apparently either ignorant of, or ignoring, GENESIS 2:7, 
>          which states: "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the 
>          ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE, 
>          and man became a living Soul.". 
>
>               This Biblical statement indicates that human life begins 
>          (Soul enters its new body) WHEN THE BODY TAKES ITS FIRST 
>          BREATH OF AIR OUT-side THE WOMB.  Therefore, if an aborted 
>          fetus's lungs are too undeveloped to breathe, or if an older 
>          fetus is biologically terminated INside the womb, then that 
>          abortion can NOT be called "murder", because NO Soul was 
>          present in the fetus. 
>
	This is hardly a concrete interpretation. It could easily be read a
different way.

>
>               Another thing to consider is that each of us is 
>          surrounded by a protective energy field usually called an 
>          "AURA".  A few people, including the late Edgar Cayce, can 
>          actually see colored AURAs around people.  The Canadian 
>          scientist Frances Nixon developed a way to locate the boun-
>          daries of a person's AURA. 
>         
>               One of the AURA's main purposes is to shield out 
>          discarnate entities from a person's body.  If an AURA becomes 
>          weak, because of illness, injury, etc., discarnate entities 
>          can sometimes invade and cause insanity, multiple personali-
>          ties, etc.. 
>
>               THE AURA OF A HEALTHY PREGNANT MOTHER WOULD LIKEWISE 
>          PREVENT A SOUL FROM ENTERING THE FETUS INSIDE HER. 
>          

	HAHAHAHAHAHA... wait a minute, this guy isn't joking is he?
	He really believes this doesn't he? Anybody know a good mental
	hospital?
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Media Bias
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<JMC.92Oct7111217@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> <BvrnGq.6o9@rice.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:06:38

I think her first year of journalism school was 1988, but it may have
been 1987.  They were old enough.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
From: 75300.3115@compuserve.com (Clinton for President)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Three uploads -- PLEASE use the LAST ONE
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:07:21 GMT

Volunteers,

We have sent you three versions of our response to tonight's debate.  The
last one, the longest one, is the one to use.  Please erase the earlier
two.

Many thanks.  I am sorry for the confussion.

Regards,
Jock Gill
Clinton/Gore Email
From: 75300.3115@compuserve.com (Clinton for President)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: STATEMENT BY ADMIRAL WILLIAM CROWE
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:14:44 GMT


 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
 OCTOBER 13, 1992

                STATEMENT BY ADMIRAL WILLIAM CROWE


   Given the latest news that the Bush Administration is going to get
 rid of their top economic advisors, I can understand that Marlin
 Fitzwater has become an expert on White House firings.

   However, his suggestion that my endorsement of Governor Clinton
 stems from my being "fired" from my position as Chairman of the Joint
 Chiefs of Staff is dead wrong.

   The facts are that, as my second two-year term was coming to a
 close in 1989, President Bush personally asked me to stay on as
 Chairman.  I was deeply honored to have this vote of confidence from
 the President.  However, I decided that 47 years in uniform was quite
 enough for any man, and I declined the President's offer.

   Marlin Fitzwater was the President's spokesman when all this was
 happening.  The President's efforts to have me stay on were widely
 reported in the press.  I can only conclude that Mr. Fitzwater's
 misstatement of the truth of this situation was deliberate.

   It is precisely this pattern of campaign deception that convinces
 me that my support for Governor Clinton is the right decision for me
 and for the country.

                            -30-30-30-
From: Clinton for President <75300.3115@compuserve.com>
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Statement by Governor Bill Clinton
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:54:07 GMT


 For Immediate Release:                  
 October 13, 1992                                  
                                               

                Statement by Governor Bill Clinton

      Choosing a running mate is the first major decision that a
 future president makes.  If the American people were to vote on the
 basis of that decision alone, the Clinton-Gore ticket would win a
 landslide.  Tonight, Al Gore made it clear that he has the character,
 judgement and vision to step into the Oval Office should, heaven
 forbid, something happen to me.

      Al Gore said it all in the first minutes: A Clinton-Gore
 Administration will not take four years to discover America.  Indeed,
 in the first 100 days, we plan to change America.  We plan to offer
 the country an end to trickle-down economics, a real jobs program, a
 bold lifelong learning agenda and a truly comprehensive plan to offer
 health care with real cost controls to all Americans.

      I'm proud of Al Gore.  And tonight all America knows why.  In
 January, Al Gore will be a Vice President America can be proud of.


                            -30-30-30-
From: v081kb76@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael F Chicarelli)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: The Decline of America: Health Care (III)
Date: 10 Oct 92 21:35:00 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep26.155930.14304@mont.cs.missouri.edu>, harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes...
>The Decline of America: Health Care (III)
> 
>"When pollsters asked U.S. citizens if they'd prefer Canadian health
>    care over their own, 72 percent said yes. As for the number of
>          Canadians who'd choose the U.S. system: 3 percent"
> 
>"`You've got to remember, you've got a waiting list as well, but it's
>not as obvious. If you're poor and you don't have insurance, you don't
>    go to a surgeon. In the States you ration by ability to pay.'"
> 
>    "In a 1988 Harris poll 90 percent of the public responded that everyone
>    should be entitled to care "as good as a millionaire could get." Yet,
>    health care in the U.S. is increasingly a privilege."
> 
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>Each $1 spent on prenatal care saves:
>$3 during the first year of the child
>$9 over the child's lifetime
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>The cost of one day of intensive care for a premature baby equal the
>entire cost of prenatal care. [Yet while in Canada prenatal care is
>free to all, in the U.S., millions of Americans who are poor,
>uninsured, or underinsured, go without prenatal care, at a staggering
>human and economic cost.]
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> 
>For tons more info and documentation [ie footnotes for cited
>information], use the GET command on the file named HEALTH INSURANC
>[sic]
> 
>    ======================================
>    To get a file named FILE NAME from the
>    archiver (files are two words  separa-
>    ted by a space), send the 1-line message
> 
>    GET FILE NAME ACTIV-L
> 
>    to: LISTSERV@UMCVMB.BITNET
>    [or: LISTSERV@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU]
>    ======================================
> 
>    Use GET with the file ACTIV-L ARCHIVE for a listing of
>    files available with the GET command.
> 
>e.g., send GET ACTIV-L ARCHIVE ACTIV-L to LISTSERV@UMCVMB.BITNET to be
>emailed the index of archived files.
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From: matt@physics.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Media Bias
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:28:45
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group)
Distribution: usa
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	<1992Oct12.023719.15705@s1.gov>
	<1992Oct12.155620.17712@galileo.physics.arizona.edu>
Reply-To: matt@physics.berkeley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu's message of 12 Oct 92 15:56:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.155620.17712@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:

> The right thing to do is certainly not to go to our ENEMY (remember, 
> we were in a cold war with the soviets at that point, and that they had 
> preformed a brutal crack-down in Czechoslovakia (sp) just a few months 
> before Clinton went there) and protest our country.  The right thing 
> may be to protest in our country.

I'm confused.  Yes, Clinton participated in protests against the
Vietnam War (*not* against the United States; are right-wingers really
unable to see the difference?) in England.  But in what sense is
England the enemy of the United States?  England and the United States
have been at peace for nearly 200 years.

And just for the record: can somebody please explain, preferably in
words of few syllables, why it is worse to participate in a protest in
London than it is to participate in a protest in Washington that will
then be shown on television in London?  I just don't see it.
--
Matthew Austern                   Just keep yelling until you attract a
(510) 644-2618                    crowd, then a constituency, a movement, a
austern@lbl.bitnet                faction, an army!  If you don't have any
matt@physics.berkeley.edu         solutions, become a part of the problem!
Xref: sparky alt.activism.d:3587 alt.politics.elections:15403 talk.politics.misc:49902
From: strat@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Media Bias
Date: 7 Oct 92 06:07:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce) writes:

>I find it astonishing that some of you still doubt that there is a
>liberal bias in the media.  

Point 1: There is no law that says the media should not be biased.
Point 2: "The Media" is not a monolithic establishment.
Point 3: "The Media" is composed of human beings, all of whom have
         personal biases.
Point 4: For every example of Liberal bias, there is also an example
         of bias in another direction.

>Even members of the liberal media have
>noticed the bias towards Clinton; Gary Trudeau and the "New Republic"
>among others have commented on it.

You are correct in pointing out that "New Republic" is an example of
the liberal media.  It is one of several advocacy journals in America.

In short: Who cares?  If you think the press is to liberal, then
create a conservative newsmagazine or broadcast station and begin
advocating your own political philosophy.  This is, after all,
America.

Stratocaster

-- 
	   Steve Davis (I'm a student, not a spokesperson!)
      strat@cis.ksu.edu - Kansas State University - Manhattan KS
				   
	    "I've got it!  Let's do 'The Wiz' ... white!"
From: Clinton for President <75300.3115@compuserve.com>
Newsgroups: alt.activism.d
Subject: On the first debate among the presidential candidates
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:16:20 GMT


 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:                      
 OCTOBER 11, 1992




                   Statement of SEN. AL GORE
        On the first debate among the presidential candidates

 George Bush finished fourth -- behind Bill Clinton, who was the clear
 winner, in expressing a plan for economic recovery, behind Ross Perot
 in an understanding of why the economy is in trouble, and even behind
 Jim Lehrer, the debate's moderator, in an ability to present a plan
 for America's future.

 If anyone doubted it before, they can't any longer: it's time for
 change and it's time for George Bush and Dan Quayle to go. America
 needs the leadership, ideas, energy, and courage Bill Clinton offered
 during tonight's debate and offers America in this election.

 With the attention of the nation focused on him, George Bush failed
 to provide the American people with a single reason to re- elect him
 or a single idea to get our economy moving again and create jobs.
 George Bush offered more of the same: the same stale, tired policies
 that have brought us recession and cost us jobs.

 George Bush kept the American people waiting for nothing. Anyone who
 hoped this debate would give them a reason to vote for Bush and
 Quayle is going to sleep tonight planning to vote for Bill Clinton
 and Al Gore. And, for good reason. Bill Clinton reached out to the
 American people with a plan for change and economic recovery, with a
 reason for hope and a genuine commitment to putting people first.


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