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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Re: Montross and Dream Team
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 10:56:32 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <1992Dec17.211336.3520@dg-rtp.dg.com>, bradley@storm.rtp.dg.com (Scott Bradley) writes:
|> (Curt Hill) writes:
|> > >>Jordan, in response to "Who was the most impressive player amongst the
|> > >>collegians?" ---"Montross"
|> > >
|> > >Not to doubt you, but where did you read this? I had read (In SI, I believe)
|> > >that Montross had had his problems with Da Admiral and Ewing, and that his
|> > >confidence was slightly hurt.
|> > 
|> > 
|> > The Jordan thing was on TV somewhere.
|> > 
|> > You read the "confidence" thing in the only mildly biased "Poop Sheet",
|> > which extrapolated the confidence thing by Montross saying "I may not
|> > start off at the same level this year that I left off at in the NCAA's"
|> > and Smith saying, "His time with the Dream Team may have hurt his confidence".
|> > 
|> > Eric was right, of course.  He averaged 18.1 ppg and 10.1 rpg in the
|> > NCAA's.  He's averaging 17.3 ppg and 8.5 rpg now.  However, that's in
|> > only 24.3 minutes per game.  I think he was averaging well over 30mpg
|> > in the NCAA's last year.
|> > 
|> > Analysis in the Poop Sheet should be ignored.  The Basketball Times is
|> > suspect, too, as Larry Donald thinks Georgetown is a top 10 team.
|> > 
|> > 
|> 
|> We shouldn't listen to biased comments?  The why should we listen to Jordan
|> talking about Montross.  I suspect at least a wee bit of bias here.

Could this be the same bias that possibly keeps Scott Williams on the
Chicago Bulls roster?????

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Ohio St Greatest -- Results
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:29:40 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


	Well, I couldn't wait until the new year -- here are the results
	of the All-time Ohio St greats poll!  Enjoy!

	(player, votes, and 1st-team votes in parenthesis listed)

	1st Team
	--------
	G/F -- Jimmy Jackson, 22 (11)
	G/F -- John Havlicek, 20 (10)
	F   -- Clark Kellogg, 18 (6)
	F/C -- Jerry Lucas, 24 (12)     (only unanimous selection)
	C   -- Herb Williams, 16 (7)

	Others
	------
	Kelvin Ransey 14 (6), Dennis Hopson 12 (3), Jay Burson 8 (1),
	Brad Sellers 4, Granville Waiters 4, Larry Siegfried 3 (1),
	Lawrence Funderburke 3 (1), Tony Campbell 3, Gary Bradds 3
	
	2 votes
	-------
	Perry Carter (1), Bobby Knight, Bill Hoskett, Mark Baker, Luke
	Witte, Ronnie Stokes, Alan Hornyak

	1 vote
	------
	Jimmy Hull, Jamal Brown, Chris Jent, Jim Smith, Troy Taylor,
	Jim Clemons, Dave Sorensen, Curtis Wilson, Butch Carter, Jerry
	Francis, Randy Doss.

	Thanx to all that participated!  I will be holding more all-time
	great polls in the new year.  Can't think of what team -- most
	possibly some team like Kansas, or maybe perhaps Notre Dame or
	Arkansas... I'm open to suggestions!

	Jazzy J
  
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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Re: Recruiting  - SunBelt
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 18:07:35 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <1992Dec15.203847.6392@cs.uno.edu>, wayne@einstein.research.uno.edu (wayne) writes:
|> Glad to see UAB had such a good recruiting year. Guess they recruited  
|> themselves right into the Sun Belt Conference. Last time I checked, they  
|> were in the Great Midwest.
|> 
|> 					Wayne Patterson

Fixed!!!

Sorry.
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:18:32 -0500 
From: Todd Harris Fletcher <tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Fletch's Picks

OK, after going a stelar 4-2 with one push on my last posted picks
(12/10) here are my picks for today, Tuesday, December 15, 1992 (bet on
team in CAPS):

Pennsylvania
VILLANOVA             -5

Florida State         -6
DUQUESNE

RHODE ISLAND
Wake Forest           -5

VA-COMMONWEALTH
Tulsa                 -3

Harvard
DARTMOUTH             -6

LASALLE
Temple                -11

TULANE
Ala-Birmingham        -2
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From: jdozois6@mach1.wlu.ca (james dozois 9208 G)
Subject: wolverines basketball schedule
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:58:33 GMT

Could somebody please send me schedule, and if you have it, ticket info.
Are the games always sold out in advance?
Thanks in advance.

Email me at:
jdozois6@mach1.wlu.ca

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From: morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan)
Subject: Re: Clemson's Sharon Wright ACC POW for triple-double
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:59:24 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky Engineering Computing Center

grimlok@hubcap.clemson.edu (Mike Percy) wrote:
>For his triple-double last Saturday against UNC-Greensboro, Sharone
>Wright was named the ACC player-of-the-week.  The 6-10 sophomore center
>scored 21 points, 15 rebounds and 10 blocked shots.  It was only the
>11th triple-double in ACC history, and the first since Kenny Anderson
>did it in 1989 for Tech.  He became only the 8th ACC player to accomplish
>a triple-double.  All three numbers were career highs.  

This is the first time I've ever seen blocked shots included in a
"triple-double".  When did this start?  Is the ACC *that* starved
for statistics?  What's next, the cups-of-water/splinters-in-butt/
kneel-on-floor-during-free-throws triple-double for benchwarmers?   8)

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From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Pac Ten Report, Volume 2
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:36:45
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
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In-reply-to: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com's message of 11 Dec 92 23:11:25 GMT

A friend of mine postulated that Kidd would stay at least three years
having seen the fiasco Kenny Anderson has gone through.
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From: whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Best Conference
Summary: Big East '85 was best
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:08:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

I only have been watching college hoops since about 1980, so I can only
vote on years since.  I would have to say that the best year for a
conference since 1980 was either the 1982 ACC or the 1985 Big East.
1985 Big East gets my nod because the Hoyas were totally awesome.  Who
else did the ACC have in '82.  Was Maryland good?  They usually were
back then, except for a dry spell where all they had was Branch.  I
think that this dry spell was happening in 1982.  Yeah, I guess the Big
Yeast gets the vote.  Syracuse was probably solid.  Was Pitt any good
then?

There was a year when the Big Ten was awesome.  In 1988 weren't Purdue
and Illinois awesome, and Michigan and Indiana strong?  That was a tough
Big Ten!

-Will
From: denelsbe@proline.cs.unc.edu (Kevin Denelsbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Recruiting - Ohio Valley
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:32:56 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

This will probably start a horrible thread but...

In article <1992Dec11.121224.3171@dg-rtp.dg.com> foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com writes:
>
>Steven Wright           6-7  PF  Brookfield, WI              Tennessee-Martin

"The other team tried running a trap on me... but I was able to chew my way
	free."

"Some teams use an 'Alley Oop' play.  My team uses a 'Ziggy' play.  It never
	seems to work."

"They told me to go into a stall... so I left the court."

"I hate playing Linda Blair 1-on-1 -- because of the alternating possession."


Somebody please do better --

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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Recruiting - West Coast
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 12:57:40 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

Yea, I could handle going to Pepperdine. I'd get a lot of studying done.

James Black               6-10 C   Pasadena, TX                  San Diego
Gerald Brown              6-2  PG  Phoenix, AZ                   Pepperdine
Jim Harris                5-10 PG  Huntington Beach, CA          Loyola Marymount
Jamar Holcomb             7-1  C   Northbrook, IL                Pepperdine
Ken Hotopp                6-10 C   Sandwich, IL                  Loyola Marymount
Todd Marshall             6-9  C   Medford, OR                   St.Mary's
M.J. Nodilo               6-3  2G  Scottsdale, AZ                San Fransisco
Michael O'Quinn           6-5  WF  Downey, CA                    Loyola Marymount
Kamran Sufi               5-10 PG  Santa Ana, CA                 St.Mary's
Josh Unruh                6-4  2G  Salem, OR                     St.Mary's
Kevin Williams            6-2  PG  San Jose, CA                  Gonzaga
Phillipe von Buchwaldt    6-11 C   France                        Santa Clara

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Michigan doesn't play as a team
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:52:47 GMT

In article <4431@cvbnetPrime.COM> csroc@dime.prime.com (Charles Sroczynski  
x4014 5-2) writes:

> Correct me if I'm wrong but...
> Michigan loses a game to a very strong team
> whose point guard has the game of his life,

Which game might you be referring to?

> and many people are questioning Steve Fishers
> ability to coach, Michigan's ability to play
> as a team rather than as individuals, Chris
> Webbers hustle. Come on people, it's one game;

I think people were questioning these items after
the Michigan/Rice game, before UM even played Duke
this winter.

> a loss to Duke  where they could have won with 
> just a few breaks here or there.

But this still doesn't explain how they could have
lost to Rice without a couple of the breaks they 
did get.

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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Recruiting: Comments
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:39:46 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <8119@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>  Bob compared the top 12 players to former HS players that were most 
>comparable.  Please note that he didn't say they'd be as GOOD as these 
>predecessors, only that they were either at similar stages in high school or
>have similar potential talent.  That warning aside, here's the list:
>4. Charles o'Bannon (6-6 SF): Jalen Rose, Chris Mullin (???)

I imagine the comparisons to Mullin and Rose are primarily because like them,
Charles is left handed. He is not a shooter in the class of Mullin, although
he is supposed to be a better shooter than Ed. He also does not handle the
ball as well as Rose does. Most compare him to Stephen Thompson with a better
shot and less leaping ability.

If he goes to UCLA and starts next year, they will have 3 lefties in their
top 5 since Ed and Shon Tarver will return. Their 3rd lefty this year, 
Petruska, will graduate. 

Russ Smith



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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Re: UNC scratched by, but defeats Cougars
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 23:07:45 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <1992Dec15.005059.18213@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Curt.Hill@launchpad.unc.edu (Curt Hill) writes:
|> 
|> UNC vs Houston
|> Sunday, December 13, 1992
|> Dean E. Smith Center
|> Chapel Hill, NC
|> 
|> 
|> UNC declawed the Houston Cougars by a final score of 84-78, but received
|> some scratches in the process.
|> 

[stuff deleted]
|> 
|> Houston is a very solid team.  They should improve during the year, especially
|> once they get in sync with their junior college transfer point guard Anthony
|> Goldwire.  Goldwire is very quick and can score.  Houston has lots of tall,
|> athletic players with reasonable shooting skills.  Fairly solid on interior
|> defense and their press is very good.  They did have trouble defending the
|> outside shot versus Carolina, which could cause them trouble versus Texas in
|> the Southwest Conference race.

Maybe it should also be mentioned that Houston had played a game just 24 hours
earlier in Houston and that this game was in Chapel Hill..... but then 
maybe we shouldn't mention that.

[rest deleted]
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From: whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Will MASH'ed Kentucky
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:29:56 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Matt,

OK, I flew off the handle a little.  Good reply.  I do respect what
Kentucky has done, and you will never see me criticize old Ricky P.
as a coach.  He is sharp.  I was just annoyed that Louisville was
receiving so much flak.  Your initial attack seemed to be more along
the lines of carping and not considered criticism.  The dig about
the Kentucky past was a cheap shot.  I admit it.  That is too easy and
really a worthless comment.  Last year's tourney game erased all of that
and established Pitino as one of the best motivators and tinkerers in
the game (in my eyes).  

BTW, sure I think Duke is a great team!  What else do you expect from a
die-hard Dukie?

Additionally BTW, since you guys and UNC are so close together in the
race for all-time basketball victories, you have my permission to whup
the Hoosiers!

Apologetically and Humbly,
-Will
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Michigan doesn't play as a team
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:26:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.165247.6902@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:

   >> Correct me if I'm wrong but...
   >> Michigan loses a game to a very strong team
   >> whose point guard has the game of his life,

   >Which game might you be referring to?

Why, he's referring to the U of Detroit, Mercy game, of course.

   >> and many people are questioning Steve Fishers
   >> ability to coach, Michigan's ability to play
   >> as a team rather than as individuals, Chris
   >> Webbers hustle. Come on people, it's one game;

   >I think people were questioning these items after
   >the Michigan/Rice game, before UM even played Duke
   >this winter.

No, we weren't questioning all of that stuff, just the part about Fisher.

   >> a loss to Duke  where they could have won with 
   >> just a few breaks here or there.

   >But this still doesn't explain how they could have
   >lost to Rice without a couple of the breaks they 
   >did get.

Just wait until Rice goes to the sweet sixteen this year.  They really
aren't bad.


Orin, you're a bad man, making fun of us Wolverine fans.  As pennance,
you must repeat (no, not THAT kind of repeat) the following until you
can't stand it any more: "Michigan is great."  "Michigan is great."
What?  You couldn't stand to say it even once?  No intestinal
fortitude.





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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: Recruiting - Corrections
Organization: Blue Riddle Productions
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:19:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.134836.10621@dg-rtp.dg.com> foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com writes:
>
>A lot of people have pointed out the errors in my recruiting lists which
>I have entered into my lists for the next time I post.

[stuff deleted]

>Beau Zach Smith (Louisville) is rated #73, not #72.
 ^^^^ ^^^^

Beau Zach??? Must be an EPMD fan...

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Hurley
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:39:23 GMT

trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
> If this is true, then why didn't Quin Snyder break the all-time assist
>record, especially with a scoring machine like Danny Ferry to help him out?

	Well, definitely Snyder isn't as good as Hurley -- but also, he
	wasn't a 4-year starter like Bobby.  Quin basically languished on
	the bench as a freshman.  He had to play behind Tommy Amaker --
	which brings up an interesting debate -- if Hurley had come in while
	Amaker was still around, would he have started?  Hmm...

	You've got a point about Hurley's passing skills raising his team
	though.  But the talent has to be there in the 1st place.  Henderson
	and Abdelnaby were both big-time HS All-Americans.  Question is,
	how come someone like Crawford Palmer couldn't develop -- even w/
	Hurley's passing?

>  As for Corch, he had some good players on his team.  How bout Vinny Del 
>Negro, Charles Shackleford, etc? And NC State played an up-tempo, run-and-gun
>style with very little defense that led to the big numbers.  Corch could
>really distribute though, weasel though he was. (he went to a rival high school
>of mine).  Corch also had Bryant Feggins and Kevin Thompson, two more decent
>players.  And Gugs scored quite a bit in his junior year.  Duke had better
>talent, but not that much better.

	Well, Del Negro was a solid player, but nowhere near the likes of
	a Laettner or Grant Hill.  Shackleford -- well, just look at his
	offensive skills in the pros, and you'll see what I mean.  There's
	no doubt there was talent at NC State (Brian Howard, Chucky Brown
	among others), but not the talent of Duke.  As far as Feggins and
	Thompson are concerned, their freshman year they were both still
	pretty raw.

>  I think Hurley's achievement is a meaningful one, considering he's been
>playing high caliber competition his entire career, and that he has a high
>number of assists every game.  He holds virtually every assist record at Duke
>(game, career, season), and will probably blow away Corchiani's record.
>I think a Hurley would improve any school.  He may not have led a Memphis State
>to a title, but he would have certainly improved them.  Having skilled 
>teammates, a good coach, and national exposure has definitely maximized his
>opportunities.  But of course, the most meaningful record is his W-L record,
>and that's not a problem, either!

	Well, basically any record is a meaningful one.  After all Magic
	Johnson set the record for all-time assists in the NBA, and when
	he's surpassed by the likes of Stockton (hate to admit it, but
	maybe even Hurley... :)  ), it probably would be a big deal too.
	Records are records.  Give Hurley his due.

	Jazzy J

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From: whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kentucky MASH'ed Louisville
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:25:42 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Matt McCoy,

Let UK's play speak for itself.  Your attacks on Louisville are
ridiculous.  Crum is a very solid coach.  You have no basis to
criticize Louisville from this angle.  Besides, lack of offensive
discipline or judgement can be cited as one of Kentucky's flaws.
The mass of three pointers thrown up under Pitino are not what
can be called disciplined hoops.  Kentucky thrives on chaos, not
pedigree talent.  This is changing with the maturity of Mashburn
and the arrival of some talent, and I guess I have to give
Pitino credit for doing what he had to do to make a winner with
the talent he had in the first 3 years.  But still, your carping
brings no dignity to the UK program.  In addition, you have no
ground to stand upon.  During the last dozen years or so, you 
haven't even been the most successful team in the state.  Calling
up the memory of 5 national championships is pathetic.  Get over
it!  Most of the people using this net don't even remember who
was on your last championship team.  It has been so long that it
doesn't even bug us down here in Durham that it was us you beat!
The 80's have happened.  The 90's are here.  Get off Louisville's
back.  One day they might (and probably will in 2 years) be back
near the top.  After all, they don't have to overcome probation
to get there.  I wouldn't mind seeing Indiana kick your ass.
Not that I like Knight or anything.  I just think your ideas
about how good your team and how unique your "fine basketball
tradition" is need to meet with reality.  Your downfall in the 80's
symbolizes what is wrong with sports.  Don't wave your banner so
wildly.  Build from the present.  Forget the past.

-Will
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