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From: chyang@cochin.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Insensitive mainland chauvinist view. (Was: Who Cares 150 F-16s.)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 13:51:20 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: chyang@cochin.engin.umich.edu


In article <13SEP199211051202@phobos.ucc.umass.edu>, s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:
> In article <1992Sep11.133443.5656@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He) writes...
> >In article <1992Sep10.221622.10037@cs.yale.edu> yang-allan@CS.YALE.EDU (J. Allan Yang) writes:
> >>
> >> > From: s9874194@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
> >> > Sender: usenet@nic.umass.edu (USENET News System)
> >> > References: <BuCEr5.JB9@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
> >> > .....
> > 
> >I want to add one point. This big China chauvinism pig 
> >can not  tell the difference between defence and offence.
> > 
> >Weapons in Taiwaneses'  hands are for defence.
> >Weapons in mainlanders' hands are for offence.
> > 
> >To sell weapons to Taiwan is to increase the stability of the Strait.
> > 
> >If mainlanders don't want to invade Taiwan, why should they worry 
> >about this F-16 sale?
> > 
> >My dear fellow Taiwanese, prepare yourself  for the worst.
> >I don't how many mainlanders share the same view as this blood thirsty
> >chauvinism pig. As long as these pigs are there, we have to fight them
> >whether we get united or independent, because the only thing these pigs
> >want is to suck up our hard-earned prosperity.
> > 
> > 
> 
> I think that this netter never read the posts before s/he wrote the above
> garbage. Nobody has ever implied that he like to attack Taiwan and destroy
> the prosperity of Taiwan. The unification is really a matter of time.
> As even Allen Yang pointed out that once Mainland becomes more open, more
> democratic and economically more developed, the unification would be much
> more easier.
> 
> However, Taiwan independence is not acceptable to most of the Chinese
> people on both side of the Taiwan Straight. Even the Taipei government
> does not agree with Taiwan independence.
> 
> The issue here is that Wshington is violating its agreement with Beijing,
> violating the sovereignty of PRC. It is an argument between Beijing
> and Washington, not between Beijing and Taipei. I do not know why you
> jumped out to throw those garbage. I feel sorry that your mother
> did not wash your mouth before she give your birth. If all of the
> people from Taiwan are like you, life would be much easier.
> 
> c.q.

Agree in principle with most written above.  But I have to say that I do
applaude the latest action committed by Bush.  Although not intended to 
puposely cheese off our beloved Chinese Communist Party, for a anti-
communist like me, there is nothing more comedic and more enjoyable than
the latest occurances!
 
- Yang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhang@swanee.ee.uwa.edu.au (Zhang Ya Xin)
Subject: ShaanBei folk song
Organization: The University of Western Australia
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 08:40:36 GMT

    I like ShaanBei folk song very much. I very enjoyed the songs like
"Lan2 Hua1 Hua1" and "Gan3 Sheng1 Ling2" which were posted in this group
and on the Hua2 Xia4 Wen3 zhai1. Recently I got another Shaanbei folk
song, sorry, I don't know its name, on a cassette tape. Following is its
words:

    xin1 li3 tou2 you3, yan3 li3 you3, kou3 li3 mei3 you,
    qing2 ge1 ge1 ni3 xin1 si1 nan3 chu1 kou3.
    hong2 luo2 bu1 de1 ge1 bo1 bai2 luo2 bu1 de1 tui3,
    hua1 xin1 xin1 de1 lian3 pang2 hong2 du1 du1 de1 zui3.
    xiao3 mei4 mei4 he2 qing2 ge1 yi1 dui4 dui4,
    dao1 ya1 zai4 bo2 zi1 shang4 ye3 bu4 hui3.
    qing2 ge1 ge1, qing2 ge1 ge1,
    zhen1 jiao4 ren2 xin1 qian1 gua4,
    pie3 dong1 pie3 xi1,
    wei2 du2 ni3 pie3 bu4 xia4.

    Could someone out here post the simplified music of this song to me
or send the whole song to the editor of Hua2 Xia4 Wen3 zhai1?
    Thanks a lot.
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: RE: A Country's Purpose
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:31:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

yang-allan@CS.YALE.EDU writes:
Subject: The purpose of a country. (Was: F-16's fear?)

>Lincoln said it well: a country should be for the people, by the
>people, and of the people. Ideally, a country should serve to

I havn't seen that before, it doesn't look like Lincoln's words,
because a country surely is "by the people" and "of the people", 
the closest statement I know is this:
  "..here I highly resolve that this dead shall not have died
  in vain, that the government of the people, by the people, for the
  people shall not perish from the earth."
Note that "country" is different from "government".  
Should a country for its people? Sure, just because a strong China
is good for all Chinese, so I am anti-TI.

>protect and promote the wellbeing of her people and thereby gain the
>support of her people and justify her own existence. Otherwise, a
>country has no adhesive to stay intact without resorting to
>oppressive measures. If people have choice, most will join the

Choices has to be made basing on rules. As regards a country, the can
choose the government, but a group of people just don't have
the right to organize a new country. Let's see what Abraham Lincoln
says:
  "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people
  who ihabit it, whenever they shall grow weary of the existing 
  government, they can excecise their constitutional fight of amending
  it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it."

>country that gives them the greatest prosperity and security. That's
>why almost all Chinese and, until recently, many Taiwanese in US
>seek for PR or US citizenship. As you may have observed, more and
>more Taiwanese in the US are going back to Taiwan because now they
>feel they have better opportunities in Taiwan.
>If you are against the forced return of Chinese in the US back to
>China against their will, then you should understand how the
>Taiwanese feel about a forced unification. Taiwan strives for
>up-to-date defensive weaponry as a measure against the dire
>possibility. It's just like many Chinese students in the US actively
>seek congressional support for their indefinite stay in the US.

Sure, someone can do that, that is legal, even if someone choose an illegal
way to stay somewhere, he bears the risk himself. 

>There will no problem for Taiwan to unite with China someday when
>Chinese in the US are as willing as the Taiwanese to go back to
>their homeland. After all, we are of the same race and speak the
>same language. No Taiwanese is going to fight against uniting with a
>truly democratic China that takes good care of her own people.

Good to hear this. I just want to make my position clear.

>Regards.

>- Allan


Ze Yang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jwu@ee.tamu.edu (Jian Xiang Wu)
Subject: Re: test
Organization: Texas A&M University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:25:24 GMT



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	test!
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From: zhuh@athena.mit.edu (Hui Zhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: To those pro-Shen Tong guys
Date: 7 Sep 92 19:36:09 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep7.125620.3316@ducvax.auburn.edu>, haiqiu@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
|>   There's one thing I admire Mr. Shen Tong: He has the courage to do what he
|> want to do, even though it's very risky. 

Courage? what courage is that?  Backed up by Uncle Sam to show down in Beijing
need NO courage.  He know he is OK anyway.  If he were really couragous:

1.staying Beijing after 6.4 or 2. go back to China without any foreign power
interference.  
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:25091 soc.culture.taiwan:13024 soc.culture.hongkong:10579
From: Wen-sen.Liu@newcastle.ac.uk (W.S. Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,alt.chinese.text,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.korean
Subject: xiangqi via email/Hz file with Chinese board
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:20:24 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU



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        Yong format/xiangqi for email
From: s9874194@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: Who Cares 150 F-16s.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:49:00 GMT

In article <BuCEr5.JB9@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes...
>It takes at least five years to deliver all 150 F-16s.
>With 150 F-16s, Taiwanese is still not strong enough to
>attack mainland people. Without F-16s, if Taiwanese want
>independence, would mainland resort to millitary action?
>I think not. Why should mainland risk so much for this
>island? Mainland people will not live better with the
>"liberation" of Taiwan. After five years, these plans
>may be nothing but toys. After all, the American are not
>selling technology to build the plans. Also these plans
>are not the first grade fighters (F-16 C/D is more advanced).
> 
>These Taiwanese are rich. You cannot prevent them from
>spending the 4 billion dollars. I guess if mainland had
>such money and mainland were not communist country, American
>would be willing to sell F-16 to mainland more eagerly
>than to Taiwan. In that case I would still prefer to use
>the 4 billion for something else instead of buying these
>toys for a few pilots.
> 
>I think the Chinese government is over worried and the
>Taiwanese is over joyed. What a big deal!
> 
>Xiao Li

We have seen a lot of discussions about F-16's. Some
one said that it should not matters. Some one said
why Beijing fears if it does not intent to invade Taiwan.
I do not think any one in Beijing fears the F-16's. But
this is realy a matter. Because:

1. Selling weapons to Taiwan is an invasion to Beijing's
sovereignty. After all, Washington recognized that Beijing
is the only legitimate government of whole China and Taiwan
is only a province of China. So, selling weapons to Taiwan 
is difinitely a violation of the communique and is obviously
unacceptable to Beijing.

2. If the door for weapon sale is open, then, French can sell
Mirage 2000, Russian can sell Mig-29, Dustch can sell sub....
Everybody can sell anything they want. The next day you will
find that somebody may sell something more dangerous at more
attractive price and the Straight will be a very dangerous 
place.

3. Uncle Sam has been policing arm sale for quite a while.
he always oppose other body to sell weapons. However, when
he deeds to sell weapons to help him out of his own trouble,
he can do it. Then why do the other body? It is called
imperialism.

Based on the above, I believe that Beijing's anger and readiness
to react corespondingly is justified. I am sorry that the IFCSS
which supposedly represents the interests of the CSS has not 
had any reaction on this issue.

Some people on the net (including me) has been arguing about
TI or Unification. I do not think it really relavent here. 
As long as Taiwan is not an independent country (does not mean
you can not try but just be ready to be kicked), the issue
is really a matter between Beijing and Washington, the
two LEGITIMATE, SOVEREIGN government. 

c.q. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Who Cares 150 F-16s.
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:52:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.010851.20117@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> yewang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Yenwen Wang) writes:
>In article <1992Sep13.220452.3215@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>>
>>There was an evaluation a while ago by the Taiwanese premier calling
>>people in Taiwan only small rich(Xiao Fu) but a poor big society.
>
>That's Chinese culture of being 'modest'(Chien1 Hsu1) :-)
> 
What does modest to do with small rich and big poor?
 
>>40 % of Taiwan's GNP depends on trade versus only 20 % of Japan vs
>>1% of mainland China. 
>
>Which is what makes Taiwan's success so much more remarkable.

It is remarkable, but a little volatile.

>Which is why people there treasure their wealth so much, it's hard-
>earned.
>
From what I've heard and read in the last few years, I can hardly get
such kind impression. Maybe you are reading People's Daily, or am I?

>Moreover, without trade China will never get modernized(as CCP has
>tried from 50s to 70s to 'walk our own way', it was a failure).
>No shame to be dependent on trade. Trade means people from all over the
>world like our products.
>
Agree, but without basic industry the booming is still not very stable.

>  Yenwen Wang                        wangy@kaa.eng.ohio-state.edu

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: Territory of Ancient China : Jin Dynasty
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:30:54 GMT

**Period:

222 -> 316 A.D.  Although China was not re-united until 280 A.D.

**Dynasty:

Jin (West) Dynasty.

**Area under Central Control:

Same area as the combined area of Three Kingdoms.

**Area under Central Influence:

none, except Taiwan and HaiNan.

**Neighbouring States/Tribes/Civilizations:

same as Three Kingdom, with Manchuria, Mongolia, Tibet, and small
countries in the far NorthWest, and near western Inner Mongolia.

-- 
1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: Is Zhu Rongji a conservative
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:13:00 GMT

In article <9209151514.AA24768@janus.ctr.columbia.edu>, yjj@ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang) writes...
> 
>When Li Peng called for a modest economic growth,
>he was called a "conservative" and a bad guy.
> 
>When the "reformer" Deng Xiaoping called for speedy development,
>everyone including dissidents applauded.
> 
>Now the "good guy" "reformer" Zhu Rongji calls for a slow down.
>Is he still a reformer?  How about Wang Bingqian.
> 
>A deeper issue I've been trying to address: is Deng's
>campaign (typical CCP movement) style in developing
>economy really good for China?
>>              * * *  C h i n a   N e w s   D i g e s t  * * *
>2. Vice-premier Zhu Rongji Warning on "Runaway" Economy .................45
>3. Former Finance Minister Wang Bingqian Urges Economic Slowdown ........45

I still feel that Zhu is a reformer.

Mao was always the promoter of "speed up". But he never could speed
up the economy. Li Peng wanted to slow down because he did not
see the potential. Zhu is calling slow down because he saw the danger
or overheated economy.

I am a fool of economy. From what I heard that the economic growth
has its own limit. If the growth rate is too high, it is dangerous.
I hope that some body on the net who knows more about economy can
clear it up.

Li Peng was regarded as a hardliner not because he wanted slow down
but he refuses market oriented reform which seems unavoidable.

c.q.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yang@dante.cs.uiuc.edu (Der-Shung Yang)
Subject: info needed: airfare to Beijing
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:35:38 GMT

I need to go to a conference to be held in Beijing in Nov. 
Could somebody tell me how much it will cost me for a round-trip air 
ticket from Chicago to Beijing? (And if possible, please also tell me
where you got that price?) 

Thank you very much for your help in advance.

--
DerShung Yang    
yang@cs.uiuc.edu 
Beckman Institute
Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: F16s, mainland chauvinistic
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:07:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <195et4INNhdf@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU>  (Xiang Zhou) writes:
>In article <1992Sep15.045040.3955@cs.yale.edu>  (J. Allan Yang) writes:
>|>  > 
>|>  >    Personally, if I am a policy maker of USA, I will laugh to the bank: 
>|>  >    not only USA'll get a big fat order, they also have upset the status quo.
>|>  >    So much so that the economic co-operation between mainland and Taiwan might
>|>  >    be slowed down or impaired.  Music to the ears to have a weaken China!
>|> 
>|> What an insightful article, especially this last paragraph. The U.S.
>|> may set a new record on the number of birds she kills with one stone:
>|> 	
>|> What a smart move on the part of the U.S. to promote her own
>|> interest. Any thoughts on how do Chinese on both sides promote ours?
>|> 
> The PRC has realized this right after the USSR was gone. Before,
>PRC tried to follow the path of Japan, Taiwan and South Korean by exporting
>mainly to U.S., now the government is sending the delegations all over the 
>world and thus depends less on U.S.. In the near future, when the North-American
>free trade package is approaved and the Europe becomes united, we will see
>more regional trade protectionism (instead of national trade protectionism).
>Therefore, for economic reasons along, the mainlander and Taiwanese should
>have closer relationship and eventually are united to build a real superpower
>that the Chinese all over the world are proud of.

As far as F16 articles indicated mainlaners reactions, supporting CCP emotions,
there is no possibility for mainland and Taiwan to work together on economy
issue. Mainlaners tend to be hostility against small Taiwan, though Taiwanese are
wishful to help mainland hardship.

Taiwanese businessmen are described as running away from KMT crucial control
by People's daily on Sept. 4 to 5 edition. This People's daily tends to tell
the mainland readers that Taiwan is a criminal place that all businessmen
want to get away as soon as possible.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xm1@cec1.wustl.edu (Xingdong Ma)
Subject: Looking For Wang, Yile
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:58:42 GMT

Hello netters!

I'm looking for my friend, Mr. Wang, Yile. He's from Beijing

University, Dept. of Computer Science, graduated in 1990 ( I think so).

My high school teacher told me he was coming to US, Michigan State University,

Dept. of Computer Science. 

If you happen to know him or your friend knows him, please tell him that

I'm looking for him, or tell me his address.

Thousands of thanks in advance!


My address
        Xingdong Ma
        Campus Box 1198
        Washington University
        St. Louis, MO 63130
        E-mail: ma@wuche2.wustl.edu
        Tel: (314)935-4729 (o)
             (314)644-3910 (h)
From: cheung@strider.hw.stratus.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Shen Tong - idiot? hero?
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:31:11 GMT
Distribution: usa


Article 41552 of soc.culture.china:
Subject: Shen Tong - idiot? hero?
H. Chao asked:

>Shen Tong - a idiot? a hero? a pawn to test the depth of China's political
>reform? or a bargain chip for trade deficit? 

An idiot in the eyes of an idiot.  A hero in the eyes of a zealot.
A pawn who contributes a verse in the epic of Chinese history.  A
chip that falls in the long chain of irreversible domino.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiong@fzi.de (Xiong Xun)
Subject: Re: Kai Shu Chinese font wanted
Keywords: Chinese fonts, Ziku, Kai3shu1, GuoBao
Reply-To: xiong@fzi.de
Organization: Forschungszentrum Informatik (FZI), Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 08:02:38 GMT

In article <14612@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, szhang@bcm.tmc.edu (Shide Zhang) writes:
|> Hi! netters,
|> 
|> Sorry for posting this non-social, non-cultural stuff in this group, but I
|> do believe that some people in this group can help me. Here is my question:
|> 
|> Does anyone know where I can download (via anonymous ftp) a Chinese font in
|> Kaishu style assigned to GouBao code? Either 16x16 or 24x24 will be good
|> ****** *****             ******
|> (Non-PostScript format)
|> 
|> Any info will be greatly appreciated!
|> Thanks in advance
|> 
|> szhang@bcm.tmc.edu
|> 
They are located on crl.nmsu.edu [128.123.1.14] in
directory pub/chinese/fonts.

CONTENTS OF pub/chinese/fonts/

File Name               Short Description
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README.cfonts           This README file
8x18.bdf.Z              An 8x18 ASCII font
Csong16.bdf.Z           Song style, Simplified, GuoBiao encoded
Csong24.bdf.Z           Song style, Simplified, GuoBiao encoded
HKU-Ch16.bdf.Z          ? style, Traditional, Big5 encoded
Txian16.bdf.Z           ? style, Traditional, GuoBiao encoded
beijing24.bdf.Z         Song style, Simplified, GuoBiao encoded
chinese-fonts.aliases   set of XLFD conformant aliases for GB fonts
cclib16fs.bdf.Z         Fang Song style, Simplified, GuoBiao encoded
cclib16ft.bdf.Z         Fang Song style, Traditional, GuoBiao encoded
cclib16st.bdf.Z         Song style, Simplified, GuoBiao encoded
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: Insensitive mainland chauvinist view. (Was: Who Cares 150 F-16s.)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 15:26:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.164318.3341@news.acns.nwu.edu>, usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes...
>>     Suppose Guangdong wants to be indepedent some day and pass
>> a referendum, is that O.K. ? Then maybe other Provinces will follow.
>> There will be some thirty countries on mainland, is that what you want ?
>> 
> 
>Ask people in Guangdong whether they want independence. Ask them! Let them  
>vote! If most people in Guangdong want to be independent, let them go! Again,  
>let people choose their future! If most people in Guangdong or Fujian or Yunan,  
>etc. want to be independent, you just can't stop them even you have troops of  
>10 million.
> 
>Economy is not the only concern. People leave not only because of the poor  
>economy. There were quite a few American Jews went to Israel years ago to  
>develop that country. Nobody forced them to go and the living standard were not  
>as good. Why they went there? Ask yourself?
> 
> 
>Carl

Why does not London ask the people in Northern Ireland? Why does not 
Washington ask the people in PR? Carl, in theory, you may be right,
but I really doubt its practical value.
c.q.