HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett)
Subject: Weight (was Re: 10k-half-marathon)
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:12:02 GMT

passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier) writes:

<some interesting stuff deleted>

>  Incidently, I read once that the Boston Marathon had never been won by
>  anyone over 150lbs (De Castella may have changed that though).

Hmmmm....i'm getting ready for my first (only!) marathon, and i've heard 
a good bit about weight....

RUMORS
1. One should be about %10 under ideal weight for the marathon
2. For every pound above ideal weight, you lose 2 sec/mi  OR 1 min on the 
	marathon.

Of course, i don't know how to find out my ideal weight! I saw a chart at
the shopping center near my house that had my ideal weight listed at 135 -
I'm 5-9 ; I can't help but wonder if they have exaggerated it a bit, as
the chart was in front of one of those weight-loss clinics 8-)!

Right now my weight is about 155.5 - and i'm a little scared that i ought
to lose some, but i can't find any body fat to lose...8-/. What's real
here?

just one more mile,
jim p.

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From: ag@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (andy garton)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Yet another FAQ request
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:19:42 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard ISG-SBU-PWD, UK.

Sorry, yet another FAQ request - could someone email me a copy of the FAQ   
please?!?
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: javier@cs.toronto.edu (Javier Pinto)
Subject: Re: "The Bible of Running". Title needed Please.
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: usa
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:45:35 GMT

acabrera@ee.WPI.EDU (Abel Cabrera) writes:

>I saw long time ago a posting about a very good book which was "The Bible of
>Running". I thought I had it but apparently I did not save it. I also
>did not see it in the FAQs. 
>Can anybody post or mail me the name of the book(s).

You must be talking about the "Lore of Running" by Tim Noakes. Leisure
Press (1-800-747-4457) ISBN 0-88011-437-X

On the other hand, maybe your talking about something else.

Javier.
From: tarmstro@metz.une.edu.au (tarmstro)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Olympic Marathon HOT!
Summary: moneghetti and decastella
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:08:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.195344.17303@cs.ucla.edu>, page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page) writes:
> Did Moneghetti finish?  I saw De Castella's place and time in the paper but it
> did not have Moneghetti listed.
 
Yes, Moneghetti finished very distressed in 48th place in 2.23.?? This is
a very ordinary performance from him. He said that like in Tokyo last year,
when the leaders surged, he could not go with them, a then fell apart in the
heat. He has decided not to run any more championship or hot weather marathons,
if any marathons at all. De Castella, is also likely to give international
marathons away now.
Moneghetti and Wakiihuri were running together, with Douglas insisting that
they finish on together, however, Steve could not keep up.

> What would the odds have been on having no East Africans in the top 10 or 15?

I was not all that surprised. Africans have not done (all)
that well in championship marathons of late, and were not a factor in the
heat and humidity in tokyo either.
From: eesfd@gdr.bath.ac.uk (F Dudbridge)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: running style (was: Men's marathon)
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:29:23 GMT
Organization: School of Electrical Engineering, University of Bath, UK

>>I agree with Brian.  Not only are form and efficiency often overlooked
>>by many runners, but form and efficiency have a great deal to do
>>with endurance and physical and mental factors.  And it doesn't matter
>>if you're on the verge of being world class or on the verge of trying
>>to finish a 5k race.  The better (i.e. more efficient) your form,
>>the better you're going to feel later in a race, which definitely
>>feeds back into your psychological self-evaluations as a race proceeds.
>
>The guys in the Olympic marathon are not "on the verge of world class" 
>-- they're some of the best distance runners in the world.
>They should define our perceptions of form and style,
>not some random commentator.
>
>Preston Briggs

Even the best distance runners in the world can improve.  I don't think
that just because a guy is quicker than you he has a more efficient style.

Apparently one of the main factors is Seb Coe's transition from good junior
to world-class senior was a complete re-evaluation of his style.  He certainly
did run with apparently no effort.

Continuing this line of thought, do any you lot out there have experience
of Alexander technique & have applied it to running.  I'm interested in
any opinions.

-- Frank
From: ejk0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (EDWIN J. KAY)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Seeking info about Long Beach Island Run
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:09:31 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I am interested in running the Long Beach Island 18 Miler
this fall, but I have no information about it.  Does anyone
know when it is, where to write, etc.?
-- 
  --Ed
-------------------------------
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(215)758-3623  EJK0@NS.CC.LEHIGH.EDU
From: afsidbb@cidsv07.Berkeley.EDU (Douglas Bender)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: running style book recommendation
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:12:56 GMT
Reply-To: afsidbb@cidsv07.Berkeley.EDU (Douglas Bender)
Organization: Environment Canada


  I am interested in improving my running style.  Are there any good books
on this subject??

Thanks in advance
     Doug

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Xref: sparky rec.running:2308 misc.fitness:6791
From: page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page)
Subject: Re: T&F Schedule: why not more rational?
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 15:29:43 GMT

	James Buster writes...
	suggested schedule deleted...

The complicating factor is the heats.  You must not only avoid putting two
events close together, but also their heats.  When their are 4 or five rounds
of the 100 meteres and 200 meters and 400 meters,  and you want to make both
the 100/200 and the 200/400 doubles possible (not to mention the constraints
added by making the 100/LJ/TJ, 400/800, plus the relays, all of which have
several rounds of qualifying and you get an almost impossible scheduling
problem.   Under the circumstances, they do pretty well.  I.e. 200 doesn't start
till 100 is done; relays left till last; only one jump needed for Lewis and
Powell to qualify for the LJ finals.  
Tom
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: zeke@meadow.uucp (Samuel Lee)
Subject: Re: Soggy shoes
Keywords: shoes rain wet soggy
Reply-To: zeke@meadow.UUCP (Samuel Lee)
Organization: Amdahl Canada Ltd., Software Development Center
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 15:46:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.191531.4895@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> sah@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (samuel.a.hoke) writes:
>Having just run several consecutive days in rainy weather, I've pondered
>As an alternative, I might consider a pair of racing flats for running in
>the rain.  Of course they have no cushioning to begin with, but they will
>probably absorb much less water and not feel so heavy.

Racing flats DO have cushioning.  They are really just light training shoes
without an outsole, so in fact they may absorb MORE water due to the absence
of a rubber outsole which would serve to REPEL water.  They still won't
feel as heavy, you're right about that.  You ever seen the Asics Gel Racers?
Those things are so light, they virtually FLOAT in the air.  Nike makes
some off-road training shoes, I think the series is called Nike ACG or
something.  They're kinda brownish, and not nylon but more leather-like so
that they are more resistant to dirt, etc.

-- Zeke.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: seeley@cerl.uiuc.edu (Joseph Seeley)
Subject: Re: Need help with Shin Splints
Organization: UIUC Computer-based Education Research Lab
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:19:57 GMT

My wife suffers from shinsplints when she neglects to do the following
exercise: at the end of each run, walk for 30 meters on your heels.  When
she puts that exercise back in her routine, the shinsplints go away.

Your mileage may vary.

Joseph Seeley	| seeley@cerl.uiuc.edu
		| seeley / cca / cerl
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: mvm@caesun6.harris-atd.com (Matt Mahoney)
Subject: Re: 10k-half-marathon
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:36:16 GMT
Reply-To: mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney)
Organization: CAE Design Center, Harris Corp., Melbourne, Fl.

In article <1992Aug19.132711.14241@panix.com> paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker) writes:
>>It depends on your weekly mileage.  For instance, I run 15 miles
>>per week, and my best times are:
>
>>200 meters	3:52/mile
>>1 mile	5:26/mile
>>5K		6:05/mile
>>10K		6:20/mile
>>1/2 marathon	7:00/mile
>>marathon	8:00/mile
>
>>If you run 100 miles per week, then your pace will be almost the same
>>regardless of distance.
>
> Do you mean that if you ran 100 per week, you could come close to running
>3:52 miles for an entire marathon? (O.K., you said "almost the same", so 
>let's say 4:00 minute miles. 

No, your 200 meter time would get slower!  Before I started running, I
ran 100 yards in 11.9 with essentially no training.  Now the best I can
do is 13.3, even though my longer distances have improved dramatically.
I know a guy who runs that fast, even though his best 5K is about 32:00.
In my 200 meter race, I beat a guy who runs 60 miles/week and does 5K's
in the 16's.

I remember reading a long time ago about a guy who ran across the US,
and his race pace went from 6:00/mi to 8:00/mi.

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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: sandrock@leo.scs.uiuc.edu (Mark Sandrock)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Idiot Marathon Commentator
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:23:34 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

njzy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (T. Joseph Lazio, Cornell University) writes:

>scmattic@IASTATE.EDU (Felix the Cat) writes: 
>> That guy analyzing Steve Spence's stride was worthless. What was NBC 
>> thinking??
>> [additional, accurate comments deleted...] 
>> 
>> This guy should meet John Ngugi. Admittedly not pretty form but 5 World Cross
>> titles and an Olympic Gold can't be wrong. See also Tanaguchi, Gold Medalist 
>> 91 marathon.

> Or Emil Zatopek...

Not quite. Zatopek was said to have excellent running form *from the waist
down*, which is what the stride analyst was looking for. Also, I'd sort of
suspect that these guys have analyzed the strides of all the top runners
they can find, perhaps even including films of Zatopek, etc. My impression
was that the "analysis" done during the marathon was a bit quick and dirty.
In the lab, I would imagine the guy would at least be using a straight-edge
to draw his lines. ;-)

Mark Sandrock
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: bhaines@ldgo.columbia.edu (bill haines)
Subject: CN Tower
Keywords: Race to the Top
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:23:49 GMT

Race to the Top at the CN Tower on Sunday September 13 in Toronto


To enter call Julie Benedetti 416-601-4732 

cost is 25.00 in Canadian funds

138 floors (landings), 12 stairs per landing
1760 total stairs, 3.2ft wide, 7" high
total vertical distance 1000ft (.19 miles)
total horizontal distance 1300ft (.25 miles)

Fax # 416-601-4713

address CN Tower
c/o RACE TO THE TOP
301 Front Street West
Toronto, Ontario
M5V 2T6

Provide race history for mid-long distances
give age and any other general information which
they may need to see if you can qualify.
From: navsaria@bu-pub.bu.edu (Dipesh Navsaria)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: New York Times Article on Jazz 3000
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:20:09 GMT
Organization: Boston University

Gee, today's Times is a treasure trove for running articles.  About five
minutes after I saw the article on the stride-angle guy, I spotted an article
on how Consumer Reports' favorable rating of the Saucony Jazz 3000 has helped
sales tremendously.  It's on page D1 (the Business Day section).

Interesting: Hyde Athletics (who make the shoes) send out press releases 
announcing how their shoe had been rated the best by Consumer Reports...that's
a big no-no with them.  I remember how a few years ago some company dared to
mention how their product was rated in their ads and many Consumer Reports
readers wrote letters of protest and refused to buy their products.  The
company backed down realllllll fast...

							Dipesh

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: tordm@vana (Tord Malmgren)
Subject: Re: Muscles and running times
Reply-To: TordM@VanD.PhySto.SE
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Stockholm -- Sweden
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:19:12 GMT

In article <2220@bigfoot.first.gmd.de>, wolf@prosun.first.gmd.de (Wolfgang Koehler) writes:

>My imagination is that muscles hinder from good running times, the more
>the longer the distance becomes.
>Especially, if the muscles are built up with body building because there
>is a disbalance between muscle fibres and blood supply.

 yeah, to some degree, take a glance at 100[m] runners, they've got a load
of muslces, and run pretty fast, but their time on 3000[m] wouldn't be too
great should they try it. other way around, a marathon runner with almost
bones and skin wouldn't do a too good time on 100[m] should they try that...

 most long distance runners lift weights to strengthen their muscles, but
they have a different lifting schedule than a body-builder of the
A. Schwarzenegger kind. Simplified; marathon runners would lift easy weights
more times thus producing "long" muscle-threads (nerves?) that are able to
work for longer time, and a body-builder heavier weights for a shorter
time gaining "shorter" and explosive muscles...




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From: njzy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (T. Joseph Lazio, Cornell University)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Idiot Marathon Commentator
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:13:15 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Aug11.124553@IASTATE.EDU>, scmattic@IASTATE.EDU (Felix the Cat) 
 writes: 
> That guy analyzing Steve Spence's stride was worthless. What was NBC 
> thinking??
> [additional, accurate comments deleted...] 
> 
> This guy should meet John Ngugi. Admittedly not pretty form but 5 World Cross
> titles and an Olympic Gold can't be wrong. See also Tanaguchi, Gold Medalist 
> 91 marathon.

 Or Emil Zatopek...

> P. S. How can there be such a category as SOLO synchronized
> swimming???????????????

 My fiancee was wondering about this one too.

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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: hobbes@ssd.intel.com (Bernie Keany)
Subject: Re: MIZUNO: telephone #
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:18:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.143413.22479@linus.mitre.org> mbmg@beethoven.mitre.org (Michael B. Michnikov) writes:
>Does anybody have it? I have their shoes, and want to call them.
>Thanx. Mike.

why ... do you want to ransom them? ;-)

bernie
From: kjberte@cray.com (Kurt Bertelsen)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Help with lung problem
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:54:14 GMT
Reply-To: kjberte@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.


Thanks to everyone who has replied to my call.

The consensus is it is Exersize Induced Asthama. It puzzles me hasn't bothered me
in the 8 years since my previous experience.  Back then I used Ventolin to 
control my problem, but I haven't used an inhaler since then.  It's not like
I just started being active.  I participated in many sports, just not running.

Sidebar:  Back when I had my earlier problem the doctor told me that the inhaler
would help me in the short run, but prolonged use would actually hurt my lungs
in the long run (emphasema(sp), etc...).  

Thanks again.

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From: AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Nike's 4 sale
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:17:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: ASUACAD.92232.201756AGRGB
Organization: Arizona State University

I have an extra pair of Nike Air Structures. They were sent to me by Nike
and are untouched - size 12. They sell in stores for $110.

Asking price $55 (plus you cover the shipping charges).
Again, these shoes have never been removed from their original packaging.

Please respond to this message if interested. Thanks, Rich
From: yih%atom.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Benny Yih)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Pike's Peak Ascent and Round Trip in Colorado
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:53:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: atom.YIH.92Aug13155356
Organization: University of Utah
In-reply-to: mwallace@nyx.cs.du.edu's message of Mon, 10 Aug 92 23:50:07 GMT


	For the ascent, I'd expect the congestion to add a few minutes to your
optimal time.  The biggest congestion, from my small sampling of ascents, is at
the start of the trail.  For those of us not in front, it takes a little while
to sort from a street wide group down to 1 or 2 abreast "speed hiking" up the
switchbacks.  I would expect the last 40 feet or so near the top to be a little
crowded for those doing the roundtrip, since the trail is not as groomed there.
	Trying to breath & walk at the same time seemed very amusing during the
last 3,000 ft or so for those of use not living at altitude...	8-)

	aloha,	benny
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA (John Panusa)
Subject: Blood Doping
Originator: jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 21:45:13 GMT

In a previous article, Chris Passier mentioned that
blood doping was akin to steroids in it's effects
on distance runners.  However, new evidence on 
blood doping (short article on this in a not too
distant Runner's World) is that although more oxygen
can be carried by blood doping, this does not increase
the athlete's ability to use or uptake this oxygen 
(Vo2 Max).  Considering no athlete has Vo2 Max 
greater than 100%, the extra oxygen obtained
by blood doping is virtually useless.


Gianpaolo Panusa
jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: lell@dec2.wu-wien.ac.at (Christoph Lell )
Subject: Re: 10k-half-marathon
Organization: Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:27:45 GMT

In article <46412@shamash.cdc.com>, gkc@freddie.udev.cdc.com (gordon k chace x2367) writes:
|> |> >|> How do you relate the times of 10k, half marathon and marathon? That is, if
|> |> 
|> 
|> You've raised a good point.  First, though, let me add that for those who
|> only want to compare 10K and marathon, an easier way to calculate the
|> same approximation is to just multiply 10K time by four and two thirds.  So
|> a 30 minute 10K is a 2:20 marathon, etc.

I believe this only works for 10K times below say about 35 min. If you take
a 10K of 40 min. this will work out to a mrathon of 3:07 - 3:10. I don't believethat this can be done. 

Furthermore, all these times will only be attainable if the TRAINING LEVEL
is adjusted properly. This means that you have to train for the marathon and
not for the 21K or 25K event. Thats the reason these computations only
work for the advanced level.

Christoph
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