HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gnb@duke.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond)
Subject: Re: New Victorian Premier/result using PR
Organization: Burdett, Buckeridge & Young, Melbourne, Australia
	<1992Oct8.091039.85@actew.oz.au>
	<1992Oct8.045912.4743@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:32:30 GMT

>> I don't see the need for the "main parties" to even worry about
>> directing their preferences (in many electorates Labor and Liberal
>> candidates will never be knocked out early enough for it to
>> even matter. I was incensed at the stupidity of the "how to vote"
>> cards in my electorate (Bundoora) - the libs suggested I put
>> the Natural Law party second!

I think one of the important things ALP/LP headkickers consider in
designing how-to-vote cards (unless there is some compelling political
reason to offer preferences) is simplicity for the deer peeepul.  You
will probably find that they run something like "1 to us, then 2-n in
order down the ballot paper".

I do know that position on the ballot paper is considered a big
tactical advantage.  In the days before random placing was used, and
they were ordered alphabetically, candidates used to change their
names to get nice and early on the paper.

Greg.
--
Gregory Bond <gnb@bby.com.au> Burdett, Buckeridge & Young Ltd, Melbourne 
That's *Mister* Chief Pointyhead to you.
From: u855271@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (Peter Didlick)
Newsgroups: aus.followup
Subject: Re: keating - our hero!
Date: 8 Oct 92 05:08:25 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.

ina_pearce@actew.oz.au writes:

>Keating announced yesterday in parliament that the recession finished months ago
>and his labour party saved Australia.
>
>	[Emotive chest beating stuff removed to save bandwidth :)]
>	[If you want to read this interesting diatribe then read the original]
>

I believe that the statement that the recession was over is correct.
Unfortunately that does not mean that the EFFECTS of the recession have
passed.  I understand that the actual definition of a recession is two
quarters of negative growth (of GDP).  Therefore as soon as there is a
quarter where GDP has positive growth then the recession is over.

I also believe that there is a technical definition for a depression also.
Can anyone confirm that this is four quarters of negative growth?

*Stuff about the ALP saving Australia ignored because of political hype*

Onyazall.

Pete.

PS	Don't flame this .... just correct it if what I have said is wrong.
PPS	Always remember that there are people on the other end of the message.
From: mjp@itd.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: aus.followup
Subject: Re: New Victorian Premier/result using PR
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:14:03 GMT
 <1992Oct6.163432.83@actew.oz.au> <9228113.26049@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> <1992Oct8.091039.85@actew.oz.au>
Distribution: aus

ina_pearce@actew.oz.au writes:

>The illegallity of multiple voting I'm refering to is having 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc
>preferances - meaning if your first vote is for someone who isn't one of the
>leading candidates you get to another vote, and then another until you have 
>voted for one of the leading candidates.

>each person should only get ONE vote and if you decide to waste your vote on a
>loser then stiff shit! The winner should be the one with most votes after
>everyone has voted ONCE.

>Drew.

>ps I was talking about previous FEDERAL elections

I agree with you that the Labor party should not be able to
form government without entering a coalition when it
recieves only 48% of the vote. However your argument is
flawed.

The preferential system including the hare clark varient
ensures every person' vote counts and once the no hoper
candidates are discarded, the majority rules. Hare Clark is
much fairer because it ensures almost everyone gets a voice
in parliament, where as preferential just ensures everyone
gets a say in the election.

To understand what is wrong with first past the post (the
system you advocate) here is an example. If we had first
past the post in OZ the labor party would almost always win.
Why? Because the conservative vote would be split between
nats and libs. And there is nothing worse that a govt the
electorate cant reject.

Rather than letting people have more than one "vote",
preferential voting allows people to vote for a general
policy direction rather than justa particular candidate.
This is infinitely preferable.

Michael
--
Michael Pilling				Phone: +61 8 259 7017
Software Engineering Group		Fax: +61 8 259 5980
Information Technology Division		Telex: AA82799
DSTO Australia				michael_pilling@itd.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: aus.followup
From: derbyc@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Derby Chang)
Subject: Re: keating - our hero!
Organization: Telectronics Pacing Systems
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:38:05 GMT

Yes, but can the man bowl???????


Newsgroups: aus.followup
From: jbm@hal.trl.OZ.AU (Jacques Guy)
Subject: Re: keating - our hero!
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:47:25 GMT

ina_pearce@actew.oz.au writes lots of terrible stuff
about the Greatest Treasurer in the World between Woop-Woop
and the Black Stump. Obviously another one who wasn't
told in advance of the "Banana Republic" statement and
failed to make a killing on foreign exchange futures.
Nor of the recent collapse of the local dollar against
"serious" currencies (DM, Swiss Franc, Yen) and even
not-so-serious ones (Lira, French Franc: from FF4.40
to firmly stuck under FF3.50, that takes some doing).
Take example on the new Russian "entrepreneurs" who
are making a mint out of the rouble, down to about
2 cents from around 2 dollars not very long ago. And
stop whingeing, perhaps He'll let you have his next
discarded Italian suit.


>what a hero!
From: kjm@buc.edu.au (Kevin Moore)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: .oz .au - please explain.
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:12:49 GMT
Organization: Physics Department - Ballarat University College
NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.132.16.8

In article <718601356snx@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au> cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au (Cameron Newham) writes:

>Why do a lot of Australian email addresses have ".oz.au" ?

>I can see ".au" is for australia but what sub-domain does ".oz" refer to?

In the ACSnet days, the good old days when email was actually slower than 
surface mail, Australia's domain name was .oz, a name redolent with anti-
establishment values. A domain name with a sense of humour. When AARGHnet 
came on line, funded by the Vice-Chancellor's comittee as an educational 
network, they didn't approve of it, and the po-faced .au was substituted, 
and was really boring.

However, a lot of the old ACSnet sites based in Sydney kept the old .oz 
name as a sub-domain name. Aunty Victoria didn't. There is, however, hope 
for the developement of a Victorian sense of humour. They have just voted 
for Jeff Kennett, and are going to need one real soon now.

******************************************************************************
The reason is that the program was written in  	*	Kevin Moore
BASIC, a sort of computer baby-talk.            *     kjm@buc.edu.au
                              Richard Dawkins	*
******************************************************************************
From: ilanet@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: Guide to networks ?
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:32:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:19m0nkINN1rj@uniwa.uwa.edu.au:1071734257:peg:246600050:000:1047
Nf-From: peg.pegasus.oz.au!ilanet    Oct  9 09:32:00 1992


Hi,

The ones that I am familiar with are:

Pegasus Networks
Telecom Discovery
ILANET/Dialcom
FidoNet
CompuServe

Pegasus Networks is part of the APC (association for progressive
communications) and is linked in with the AARNet at the same time.
Pegasus offers access to hundreds of APC news feeds that discuss
issues related to social, environmental, political and human
matters. I really like it.

Discovery - havn't got much to say there. Remember Viatel? That
was Discovery 40. Discovery 80 offers access to the Austeralian
Stock Exchange info and various other things.

ILANET is the Information and Libraries Access Network and is an
x.25 network that provides electronic facilities to well over
500 libraries in and around Australia. More info on 02 230 1424.

CompuServe Pacific si the Australian part of CompuServe
International and provides access to all CompuServe stuff.
Call CompuServe Pacific in Sydney.

Pegasus are available in Brisbane on 07 257 1111.

Look up Discovery under Telecom Plus.

Regards,
Sandra Davey
Ph: 02
From: imb@asstdc.oz.au (michael butler)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: FASTPAC, AUSPAC, WHAT ARE THEY?
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 00:00:09 EST
Reply-To: imb@asstdc.oz.au
Organization: Assorted C Software, Sydney, Australia

dean@pico.qpsx.oz.au (Dean Economou) writes:

> FASTPAC is a high speed communications service offered by AOTC.  It is
> currently restricted to packet switching with 2Mbit/sec and 10Mbit/sec
> interfaces.

Whilst this seems to be well out my budget, I have been looking around
at mechanisms of achieving the same net effect but on a very much
smaller and slower scale, i.e. a "real" connection on the internet
rather than a dial-up facility.

Is there a relatively inexpensive method of doing this ? Whilst I'm not
really after a dial-up service, even ISDN is out of my reach (I'm
self-employed) at 75c per 120 second call charging within 15km to say
nothing of the annual Telecom "service" charges :-(.

Maybe (almost) full-time SLIP with V32bis or Turbo-PEP is the answer if
someone would be kind enough to offer a connection .. :-)

regards,
        michael

--
 Assorted C Software - asstdc.oz.au - 3:712/515@fidonet
      PO Box 595, Kensington NSW, Australia 2033

Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: poole@chsun.chuug.ch (Simon Poole)
Subject: Re: route: Australia to Germany
Organization: CHUUG/EUnet
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:20:38 GMT

The main problem is the German WIN, the academic X.25 network.
WIN is being upgraded to be able to provide 2M connections,
but alas I don't think this will fix the basic mismatch between
users that want to use IP and a network that has been designed
to provide optimal X.25 service.

The Alternet - EUnet Amsterdam and EUnet Amsterdam - EUnet Germany
links are being upgraded in the next couple of weeks (should have
really already happend).



-- 
CHUUG/EUnet Switzerland				Simon Poole
Zweierstrasse 35	Tel: +41 1 291 45 80
CH-8004 Zuerich		Fax: +41 1 291 46 42	poole@eunet.ch
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: bambi@bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes)
Subject: Re: AARNet white pages?
Organization: ITS, Bond University
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:39:42 GMT

michael@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (Michael Henry) writes:

>another alternative is to try netfind.  Netfind keeps a database of
>'hints' of where to start and then goes out and actively finger's
>machines to find a user.  It tends to discover things as they currently
>are, rather than as they were when someone had the time to record things.

This works unless the person in question works at an org like, hmmmm,
Bond for example.  Our semi-firewall approach to AARNet connectivity
will filter out the finger requests generated from DNS lookups performed
by netfind.  That is why we have an elaberate username matching
mechanism on our gateway.  That is, if people out there know how to use
it - which they probably don't.

Maybe org's that implement a standard address format or allow some form
of username lookup should post on a fortnightly basis to aus.mail to
outline how a user may be reached.  Either that, or we should extend
Mark's summary of campus wide address formats and put it in a public
place.



Thoughts ?


bambi
   ___                                 David J. Hughes     bambi@bu.oz.au
  /   \                /  /    /        
 /  __/ __   __   ____/  /    / __          Senior Network Programmer
/    \ /  \ /  \ /   /  /    / /  \  /    Comms Development & Operation
\____/ \__//   / \__/   \___/ /   / /       AUSTRALIA  (+61 75 951450)
From: pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: FASTPAC, AUSPAC, WHAT ARE THEY?
Date: 15 Oct 1992 04:23:41 GMT
Organization: AARNet
Distribution: world
Reply-To: P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.130.204.4

In article <ad8f8e7a@Kralizec.fido.zeta.org.au>, arthur.marsh@f812.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes:
|> 
|> Call charges - within local calling area:

If you wish to have a permanently established call, a so
called "semi-permanent connection" (SPC), the charge is
$2028 per annum for two Microlinks  up to 12km apart.

-- 
Peter Elford,                             e-mail: P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au
Network Co-ordinator                      phone: +61 6 249 3542
Australian Academic Research Network      fax:   +61 6 249 1369
c/o, Computer Services Centre             pager: +61 6 245 3035
Australian National University            post: GPO Box 1142     
Canberra, AUSTRALIA                             Canberra ACT 2601
From: daemon@jatz.aarnet.edu.au ()
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Deakin off air (thurs 15th)
Date: 15 Oct 1992 05:55:46 GMT
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Reply-To: Douglas Ray <ray@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.130.204.4

deakin university have taken "massive storm damage" and are off the net.
haven't managed to contact technical staff there: "they're out in the mud."

						- douglas ray
						doug@unimelb.edu.au
						networks & comms

Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: peter@DIALix.oz.au (Peter Wemm)
Subject: TZ string for sydney anyone? (System V)
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 19:09:16 GMT

Can anybody please send me a System V TZ string for sydney please?

Thanks..

-Peter
-- 
Peter Wemm		peter@zeus.DIALix.oz.au -or- peter@DIALix.oz.au
From: s039965@parasol.cs.uq.oz.au (jonathan corby)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Fidonet
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:02:53 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Queensland Uni, Australia

I have lately become aware that Fidonet is connected to Internet
via various Gateways.  The reason for the posting here is that
I have been trying to post back and forth to my Fidonet node.
To post from Internet to my node is easy you just use mail
and mail it to the correct special Internet address
Jonathan_Corby@f371.n640.z3.fidonet.org.
It then comes through a point on Fidonet somewhere in Victoria
and the From line is
From: AARNET.
Now to post back from Fidonet to Internet I post to a certain node
which is in the U.S. somewhere and give it a set format of message
with the first couple of lines providing the internet address I'm mailing
to.  Presumably the thing I am mailing to "UUCP" strips the message 
accordingly and then posts to internet.
	What I want to know is instead of mailing to this U.S. node
	where is it coming through from Victoria and is the format the
	same for sending messages as I am currently doing?


A truly global mail?
From: andrew@drawing.adelaide.edu.au (Andrew Trotter)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: Testing our News Followup
Date: 9 Oct 92 06:41:09 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@drawing.adelaide.edu.au (Andrew Trotter)
Organization: University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: moe-gw.drawing.adelaide.edu.au

--
Testing our followup



*********************************************************************
***  Andrew Trotter                  *		email :-	  ***
***  CADD Manager. Buildings Branch  *				  ***
***  University of Adelaide          * andrew@moe.adelaide.edu.au ***
***  P.O. Box 498.		     ********************************
***  ADELAIDE S.A. 5000	      	     *	  Phone (08) 228 5900	  ***
*********************************************************************
From: rayp@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Ray Penn)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Preservation of Electronic Records
Date: 14 Oct 92 07:59:39 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia

This news item is intended to alert the Australian academic
and research community to the need, now that AARNet is
becoming widely used, to continue to preserve significant
drafts of major research work formerly preserved in paper
format.

In the past, works of research and scholarship have been
transferred between co-authors in paper format, usually via
the post. With the growth in electronic transfer of
information, this transfer can occur without the need to
produce a paper record of each significant stage of the
research.

This means that a document could pass through many amendments
without a record being kept of changes which could indicate to
future researchers and historians the processes by which major
discoveries are made.

There is thus a need for electronic drafts to be kept and
eventually stored as electronic archives for posterity.

The Australian Council for Libraries and Information Services
has established a Working Party on Preservation of Australian
Electronic Records and one of its tasks is to keep a watching
brief on the developments in electronic information transfer
and storage which could result in the loss of vital
information no longer kept in paper format. There is concern
that this information will be lost if drafts of significant
research papers are not preserved.

The Working Party therefore requests that researchers and
academics continue to preserve significant drafts of important
research. 

These drafts should eventually be transferred to a repository.
At the moment there is no procedure for this. It may be that
the archival departments of universities and research
institutions will become the repository of electronic files as
they now are for paper-based records. In the meantime, it
would be appropriate to transfer them in paper format. A
follow-up news item will appear when the possibilities for
electronic archiving becomes clearer.

The ACLIS Working Party welcomes any suggestions on such
topics as appropriate procedures for storage, guidelines on
what to preserve, archival sites, access by other users and
related topics.

These comments should be addressed to:

Ray Penn,
Fisher Library,
University of Sydney, 2006
e-mail: rayp@extro.ucc.su.oz.au
phone: (02) 692-3257
fax: (02) 692-4593

who will pass them on to the ACLIS Working Party.
-- 
Ray Penn,
Government Publications Librarian
Fisher Library, University of Sydney,
N.S.W.,  Australia,   2006.
Newsgroups: adfa.general,aus.aarnet
From: gco@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au (Geoff Collin)
Subject: Improved access to ADFA library
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:13:34 GMT

The ADFA library has been transformed into a fully networked machine.
As before, you can access the library using the address
library.adfa.oz.au
(before, however, you were going through a tenuous serial connection)
Some people may have been accessing the Library using the address
adfalan.adfa.oz.au. This won't work anywhere near as well as the first
address.
The Library allows both general enquiries and access for subscribers to its
extensive Australian Literature database, AUSTLIT, and its Military History
database, MIHILIST.  Enquiries about access to the databases should be
addressed to library@adfa.oz.au.  

Geoff
-- 
Geoff Collin,		       		Phone: +61 6 2688142
Computer Centre, UC, UNSW,   		Fax  : +61 6 2688150
Australian Defence Force Academy,   	Email: Geoff.Collin@adfa.oz.au
Canberra ACT 2600. AUSTRALIA
From: mark@alsvid.une.edu.au (Mark Garrett Internet: mark@arvak.une.edu.au Phone: +61 66 20 3859)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: .oz .au - please explain.
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:11:48 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)

From article <9228600.26945@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, by swl@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Samuel Wai Kay LEUNG):
> cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au (Cameron Newham) writes:
> 
>>Why do a lot of Australian email addresses have ".oz.au" ?
> 
>>I can see ".au" is for australia but what sub-domain does ".oz" refer to?
> 
> I don't know am I correct, I think "oz" is for Australia, and "au" is for
> Australian area (I am not sure what is that called) including some countries
> like New Zealand, etc.

Bzzzt... Wrong :)

	.oz dates back from the days when Academia was connected only by
a network system called ACSnet.  All sites that connected to ACSnet exist
in the .oz domain.
	Since the new kid on the block (now old enough to stop buying acne cream:) AARnet came along it needed a domain for Australia within internet thus .au
 So the ACSnet domain existed in parallel to AARnet's .au  As they could not
be the same, we are left with a whole lot of old ACSnet domain hosts, some of 
which are real AARnet hosts, others exist only as ACSnet.


	Cheers
		Mark :)


-- 
Mark Garrett	Internet:  mark@arvak.une.edu.au	Phone: 	+61 66 20 3859
   University of New England, Northern Rivers, Lismore NSW Australia.
From: mferrare@iti.org (Mark Ferraretto)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: test
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:47:10 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: The University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: adelphi.itd.adelaide.edu.au


test please ignore
--
   \ | /   PA38.| Now | Name  : Mark Ferraretto
-----O-----Gotta| Aero| Place : Department of Physics and Mathematical Physics
     |     love |Rated|         University of Adelaide
    ---    it!! |-----| Email : mferrare@physics.adelaide.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson)
Subject: Re: AARNet white pages?
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:46:05 GMT

ednstras@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Michael Strasser) writes:

>Does such a beast exist?  Is there a straightforward way to find someone's
>E-mail address given his/her name and institution?

Yes, such a beast exists, but I doubt it will work. No, there isn't a
straightforward way to find RANDOM somebodys email address from these
facts alone. Combinations of inertia, politics and the sheer scale of
the problem make this a simple idea to think of, and a hard one to do.

You can browse the directory very simply by using the 'anonymous'
contact points dotted around the network (they're periodically announced
into news) -In fact since Griffith Uni run their own directory, you
probably have one on campus so I'd ask of the ITS. Failing which try:

	whois -h sirius.oz.au "Surname, Organization, AU"

	whois -h cuscus.cc.uq.oz.au "Surname, Organization, AU"

	telnet cuscus.cc.uq.oz.au login username "fred" and 
		follow the instructions


WAIS also has an index of email addresses collated from news, you can search
that if you KNOW the person is news active with a high chance of finding
their address.

>It would be useful in trying to track down someone who I think works at a
>particular institution.

You bet. Just ain't that simple. around 50,000 entries exist Australia-wide,
of which (i estimate) under 5% would have email address information recorded.
That 50,000 is peanuts, given the size and number of the universities alone.

We're talking libraries where less than 10% of the books are indexed,
and of those, less than 5% have shelving information in the index entry.

I'm sorry, the best methods for finding addresses remain heuristic and not
algorithmic. Phone them, or send a letter by (snail)mail or FAX.

	-George
--
                         George Michaelson
G.Michaelson@cc.uq.oz.au The Prentice Centre      | There's no  market for
                         University of Queensland | hippos in Philadelphia
Phone: +61 7 365 4079    QLD Australia 4072       |          -Bertold Brecht
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet