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From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: what was ytv doing???
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 20 Dec 92 02:37:37 EST

-> As to cutting off shows, I remember long ago (at least a year :)), I
-> asked Michelle Lee of YTV about that, and she swore they didn't cut
-> anything from DW. Unlike Red Dwarf.

As another correctly pointed out, YTV doesn't make the cuts. Lionheart
does (or more accurately maybe, Time/Life). So, Michelle Lee is right,
but the issue is that YTV's copies do have scenes chopped.

Regards,
Dale Clayton
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From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: celery (& swimming pools)
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:46:10 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Dec16.175958.21953@athena.mit.edu> rajiv@athena.mit.edu (Rajiv A Manglani) writes:

>I thought there was a pool in the TARDIS... there was one episode in the Baker
>years that showed it. I believe that Lella (sp?) was in it...

>Rajiv

Yes, this is absolutely correct.  I'm afraid I've forgotten which episode,
though...possibly "Invasion of Time?"  It's been a while since I've seen the
Leela stories.

Drewcifer
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From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Doctor's Names
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:30:41 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <922711122758@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk> EEE90053@IBM3090.BHAM.AC.UK (Simon Jerram) writes:

>This may be a FAQ, but does anyone know of any of the Doctors other names.
>I know Merlin (Battlefield) and The Valyard (13th Doctor onwards) but I seem to
>have a hazy memory of other names.  I'm sure that the bloke who removed the
>reducing ray from inside K9 in a Tom Baker story called him by a nickname
>from their university days, but I was very young then and I cant remeber.

The name you can't recall is "Theta Sigma".  As for other names, finals week
is on its way and my brain cells just aren't available for comment.  But I
don't think your time-placement of the Valeyard is quite accurate...anyone
care to clear this up for us?

Drewcifer
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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Christmas scenes and gifts and a r.a.dw. Xmas wish
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:48:12 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason) writes:

- yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
-
- >1) Scenes:  Does ANYONE have a recollection of "The Feast of Stephen". This
- >the DW Christmas episode, but it got lost in the shuffle.  Please post spoil
- >anyone.
- >K9 and Co. is more recent, and does make some humourous comments.  Mind you,
- >wrecking dog like K9 is always good to keep in case opf trouble.
-
-   There is also an out-take from 1977 which is avaialble thru the fan network
-   This involves the DR (Baker) sitting to the right of K9, Romana 1 to the le
-   K9 is singing (in a drunken voice "we wish u a merry xmas" as the Dr is
-   feeding champagne into his nose gun.
-   the DR asks k9 what he dseires at xmas, to which k9 replies something along
-   the lines of a years supply of ball bearings.
-   K9 then aks the Dr what he desires at xmas....
-   The camera slowly moves in on Bakers face as his slowly breaks into a misch
-   ievous grin....
-   And then Baker slowly turns and looks at Romana, and the two close up for
-   a kiss, but stop when the whole crew burst about laughing...
-
-   If I had a recollection of the Feast of Stephen I would be very old.
-   K-9 and Company is hilarious. Nobody knock it, or the music...
-
- >2) Gifts: What else this year, get the Shada Video.  That should be worthwji
- >          Any other suggestions?
-      errr...Tomb of the Cybermen?
-      Nightshade and Love and War?
-      Earthshock? (out in the UK)
-      late xmas prezzie....The Daemons and Silver Nemesis (Jan 93)
-
-   from
-   none other
-   than me.
-   Jason.                               Merry Xmas!!
-

 3)Christmas blessings to all on r.a.dw.  Finally, after some rough waters, I
now feel at home.  Please don't thank me for the ballot,  that was an r.a.dw
effort.  An about the outcome, FTR, James Armstrong and Vidiot, I had 0
intention of violating the copying. I just hope that all of us at r.a.dw can
steer through the rough times here.
  As for all my detractors, I would love to offer a reconciliation, especially
to the person who introduced to r.a.dw., my first newsgroup.  All that I can
hope now is that everyone of us will be very good friends and that we can all
go to Visions '93 and celebrate, provided that we are still around.

  To everyone of you Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!
  God Bless you one and all!!

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to One and All - John Lennon
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Doctor Who: The OLD Adventures?
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:37:42 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> 
> Oh, come on now.  That was a pretty weaselly answer, don't you think?  If
> this is true then we all have the right to write about whatever Doctor we
> choose.  All the above tells us is that we have to consult someone other
> than the writers--in this case JNT and Eric Saward.  Strict copyright
> control or not, in previous postings along this thread, you've repeatedly
> said that whoever established the character and/or mood has a right to
> approve any story to make sure it fits what has already been done.  In this
> case, what has "already been done" with the Valeyard is contained in the
> Trial of a Time Lord.  You will be breaking your *own* stipulations if you
> write a Valeyard story without first consulting with writers, directors,
> actors, or all three.  These people have as much right to see the character
> they introduced used properly as the creators of all the previous doctors. 
> You're welcome to persist with your rather narrow views regarding creativity
> and exploration, but don't make yourself a hypocrite with statements like
> the above.
> 
> Drewcifer
> -- 

The crucial difference between what I want to do and what others would
like to do (write for earlier Doctors) is that those past eras are already
closed off and ended.  The Valeyard was deliberately left alive and well
at the end of "Foe" to allow future writers to use him.  
Such is not the case for previous Doctors, as they have regenerated
into their next Doctor, and have, in a way, "died."  
Thus, one could say that there are currently two Doctors available to use,
the Seventh, and the Valeyard.  

Steven.K.Manfred




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From: morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: "Curse of Fenric" 
Date: 19 Dec 92 11:18:11 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa


Okay my turn.

I thought Curse of Fenric was the best.  Okay, that's my opinion.

Anyways on to the trivialities....

Yes, there was too much going on in it, but I like that.  The extended 
version of it does help explain some stuff, but if you have a hard time 
turning off your "rationalization meter" well, you still won't like it.

One point which I think they did blow was the "great serpent".  In Norse 
mythology the Midgard serpent was to rise from the depths of the ocean to 
take part in Ragnorak.  The venom of the serpent was deadly, and eventually 
it killed the god Thor, though it died in the battle also.  Yet there is 
also the character of Fenric - or as I thought it was intended to be, 
Fenris Wolf - the huge demonic wolf who was also to break his chain at 
Ragnorak and attack Asgard (home of the Norse Gods).  Fenric was to be 
engaged in battle against Odin (the main god), and eventually kill Odin, 
though Fenric would have fallen to Vidar, Odin's son.  So what do we have? 
A venomous slayer - the ancient one - who should  fit in with the concept 
of the Midgard Serpent, yet who is controlled and maneuvered by Fenric - 
who should have been a wolf - but who would best be described as the evil 
god Loki - the father of the Midgard Serpent, Fenris Wolf and Hela (Death).  

So it should have been the "Curse of Loki"

Now don't you all feel better knowing that?

Later

Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan
morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu

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From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: mr. bean's dalek
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 19 Dec 92 09:38:01 EST

 I just saw "Merry Christmas Mr. Bean" on the C-Beeb tonight. There was
an extremely funny scene where Mr. Bean is playing with a Dalek - in a
nativity scene?!!

Regards,
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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: "Ghostlight" original plot
Date: 10 Dec 92 19:29:01 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <17439@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
> In article <92344.024548MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark 'Mark' Sachs) writes:
>>Here's a query... According to some, the original draft of "Ghostlight"
>>was not set on Earth at all (with Ace confronting an evil from her past)
>>but was in fact set on Gallifrey, in the Doctor's home -- for once it's
>>the Doc who has to confront HIS own past! Anyway, I'm very curious about
>>this plotline; does anyone know any more about it at all? Such as,
>>what skeletons were in the Doctor's closet, how do he and Ace wind up
>>on Gallifrey... the whole shebang.
> 
> You can get some clues by reading "Time's Crucible", which makes reference
> to the Doctor's mysterious family of "cousins", and his ancestral home
> (Longbarrow).  Also, the element of the Doctor's home reappeared in the
> DWM comic strip "Fellow Travelers".

Yes, the original draft of "Ghost Light" was indeed going to be set on
Gallifrey and dealt with the Doctor's own ancestral house.
The idea was originally pitched at least before Sophie Aldred joined
the cast, and I think perhaps before McCoy became the Doctor as well.
When Marc Platt came to pitch ideas again in the McCoy era when Cartmel
and Nathan-Turner were looking for new writers, he resubmitted this
and Cartmel liked it a lot more than Eric Saward apparantly did.
JNT however felt that the story would give far too much away about
the Doctor's origins, and at the time they were trying to increase the
meaning of the word "Who" in the title of the show, not go the other
way, so he asked for changes.  The script was adapted to deal instead
with Ace's past and a Victorian England house.
I don't know if Light, Control, and the others were present in the
original script or not.

Steven.K.Manfred

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From: dsohl@spock.uucp (Daniel Sohl)
Subject: Where to see the good Doctor?
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:26:50 GMT

Help! I'm a Doctor Who fan, but the station that I usually watched it on
got rid of it a few years ago. Does anybody know of a station in
Connecticut or recievable (sp?) from CT that I can catch it on a a decent
hour of the day? I miss Dr. Who!
From: morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Ben Aaronovitch
Date: 19 Dec 92 11:03:55 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Dec17.220136.14265@news.cs.indiana.edu>, Liz%Eng%Banyan@magnolia.banyan.com writes:
> The last information I saw on Ben Aaronovitch's New Adventures novel was that 
> it was due this month.  Well, I know the month isn't up yet, but I'm 
> impatient. ;-)  Anybody seen it, or know anything more recent?

I picked up a copy of it (entitled Transit) at Visions in Chicago, but I 
haven't had the time to read it, but I will probably start in on it 
tonight.  If they hadn't already been posted, I'll post the ISBN numbers 
tomorrow if there is a call for them.

Puppy Ciao

Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan
morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu

Still not working, and even enjoying it!
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From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: plot of sontaran experime
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:43:35 EST

The companions in this epsiode are Sarah Jane Smith and Harry Sullivan.
It begins when they transmat onto the Earth at the end of The Ark in
Space to help the newly awakened human survivors of the solar flare.  It
is two episodes long.

I have nothing else to add.
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From: morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Corrections - Fenric (& greatest show)
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:33:26 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Dec20.005921.506@rivers>, ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:

> Also, to correct something someone said in the last post I read, about
> "Huh, did you forget the Gods of Ragnarok in 'Greatest Show?'"
> No, I didn't forget them, but other than their name there is nothing else
> tying them in to Norse mythology, thus I don't really consider that an
> exploration into Norse mythology.  I do consider it more foreshadowing
> for "Fenric" in the line of the chess set in Lady Peinforte's study
> and the name of Glitz's spacecraft in "Dragonfire": Nosferatu (vampire).
> 
> Steven.K.Manfred
> 

I hadn't considered the Nosferatu as a foreshadowing element, but rather as 
another part in the Movie-theme of Dragonfire.  For example - the villian 
is Kane (as in Citizen) and his long lost love is Xana (as in Xanadu, home 
of Charles Foster Kane - price who knows, who cares), as well as the short 
link to the Wizard of Oz with Ace (a.k.a. Dorothy) who imagines what is 
beyond the stars (not the rainbow).  Even the dragon's meeting with the 
little girl conjured up into my mind the image of monster in Frankenstein 
meeting up with the little girl in the woods - however the dragon didn't 
kill the child, as is implied in Frankenstein.  Well, you can't have every 
thing.

I always thought that the use of the name Ragnorak for the trio in Greatest 
show was inappropriate - or it could have been part of the writers joke.  
These three bozos are going to be the death of Doctor Who - the end  of 
that universe so to say.  I guess calling them the Armageddon would have 
been too obvious.

Anyways enough rambling for one day.

Later

Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan
morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu

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Subject: Re:  actors in who - where els
From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith)
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:48:36 GMT+12
Distribution: world
Organization: Muppet Labs

In article <920010130056@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk> Simon Jerram<EEE90053@IBM3090.BHAM.AC.UK> writes:
>>-> I don't know about Rimmer from Red Dwarf being in it, but the actress
>>-> who played Brigadier Bambera in "Battlefield" played Lister's female
>>-> counterpart in Red Dwarf (Parallel universe - end of series 2)
>>
>> I also saw her in EastEnders and she did a bit in a detective series
>>playing a witness (can't remember the name, but it featured a female
>>inspector going after a murder).
>
>This was Prime Suspect, a Granada production.  Prime Suspect 2 is on in UK
>soon.

And I just saw her the other night playing a police officer in "Van Der Valk".


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From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Celery???
Date: 13 Dec 92 19:42:55 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <liir5jINNivk@cash.cs.utexas.edu> jadair@cs.utexas.edu (John S. Adair) writes:

>Note: *=Peri's stuttering, whiney, bad American accent. :)
>Of course, maybe Peri has a beautiful, crisp, clear, sexy American accent
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and the sound on my tape is just bad. ... Naaah. :)

I didn't know there was such a thing... ;-)

Daniel.
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From: cfstmpab@logica.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Tenth Planet
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:13:23 GMT

When is the Tenth Planet coming out? 

Does anyone know the list of episodes to be released by the Beeb
for this year? 

Did anyone see the colourised version of Terror of the Autons at the
NFT? 

Andrew Buckle
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From: bran@helix.ObjecTime.on.ca (Bran Selic)
Subject: Questions
Reply-To: bran@ObjecTime.on.ca (Bran Selic)
Organization: ObjecTime Limited
Distribution: bnr
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 21:00:27 GMT

Does anyone out there know whether "The Tomb of the Cybermen" videos are
available in NTSC format?

Also, does anyone know the phone number of "The Dr. Who Information
Network" in Toronto, Ontario?

Please answer by e-mail (address below).

Thanks in advance.
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From: ramirez@spock.uucp (Andreas Orphanides)
Subject: Re: Help!! Can't find Who.
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:11:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.173142.751@ab.wvnet.edu> lambert_l@ab.wvnet.edu writes:
>Does anyone from Morgantown West Virginia know whether the tv station is show-
>ing DR. Who or not?  And what the schedule is?  I have looked for it and 
>can't seem to find it.  Help!!!!  I can't live without the Doctor!!!
>
>
>    Thanks in advance
>
>
>       Lisa

Hey, while you're at it, look up United Video Cablevision for Westport,
Massachusetts. BTW I *don't* get the sci fi channel.

email me at ramirez@choate.edu
From: vcz40@jester.usask.ca (Perry Testem)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: ST:TNG (critiques) vs Dr Who
Date: 19 Dec 1992 12:42:46 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
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[stuff about other civilizations getting as powerful as the Time Lords]

   Don't forget the Sontarans; they may have been treated badly by writers
in their last appearance, but they >are< the only aliens (from Gallifrey's
p.o.v.) to successfully invade Gallifrey on the T.V. series. By
successfully, I mean they made it there in the first place.
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Daleks
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:50:52 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <torresce.724606019@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Alex "Mystic" Soto) writes:


>Drewcifer replies:
>>I don't know about the psycho kinetic energy movement of the Daleks.  In the
>>beginning, the Daleks couldn't leave the city...
> 

>In the Pertwee Era, (Death of the Daleks? <- either Death of Day), When they
>are trapped in the planet with the living city that absorbed energy, the 
>Daleks could still move around - though their disruptors were non-functional.
>When Sarah asks the Doctor why they could move, the Doctor responds, "They
>use psycho kinetic energy for movement" <paraphrasing of course>.  Perhaps
>they developed this as they went - so that they didn't have it when Hartnell
>was around.  Which makes me wonder in Remembrance...how did it levitate, was
>it that it boosted its psycho kinetic energy or some type of anti gravity
>attachments to them, or what?

>Is there any mention of the source even in non-canon sources?

>        Mystic
>(Alex.soto@analog.com)

Well, I tend to think that this is a bogus attempt at an explanation...along
the lines of Star Trek's pretend physics and the infamous "reverse the
polarity of the neutron flow".  Although Who has used psychic/occult
elements in the past, I doubt that becoming a Kaled mutant entitles one to
PK abilities.  Perhaps what the Doc meant was that the mutant's mental
impulses are translated into electronic signals, which would make more
sense.

Drewcifer
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Subject: Re:  The Visitation
From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith)
Date: 12 Dec 92 17:45:51 GMT+12
 <1992Dec8.183255@cogs.sussex.ac.uk> <1992Dec9.123610.22994@vela.acs.oakland.edu> <Bz1Ex4.5o7@newcastle.ac.uk>
Distribution: world
Organization: Muppet Labs

In article <Bz1Ex4.5o7@newcastle.ac.uk> B.J.Williams@newcastle.ac.uk (Barry Williams) writes:
>jmwojtal@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Wojo) writes:
>
>>During The Chase, The Doctor (Hartnell) and the companions were being chased
>>by Daleks.  They ended up on a sen the Dalekse Daleks got there, the crew
>>abandoned ship.
>
>>They showed the name of the ship, and Barbara recognized the name also.  Was
>>it part of a mystery about a missing crew or something?  Need Details.
>
>OH MY GOD!
>
>THE MARIE CELESTE! HAVEN'T YOU HEARD OF IT???
>
>Sorry about that. Sometimes you wonder at the standards of modern education,
>that's all. :-)

The ship was actually called "Mary Celeste". The "Marie" version was a typo
in a contemporary newspaper report, which lots of others copied without
checking their facts (thus demonstrating that the standards of 19th century
education weren't all that hot either :-)


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