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From: bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Hottest-looking car of all time
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:43:06 GMT
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.

In article <1992Aug12.093642.554@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> mcwilljg@euler.sfasu.edu (Joseph McWilliams) writes:

>Jaguar XK-E  This automobile defines the ideal in sports cars.  Nothing  
>else has ever come close.

There is only one reply to such a statement.  Lucas and rust.  :-)

I like the way the E-type (there is no such thing in the official
factory documentation as an XK-E) looks.  But with that boat anchor 6
or their itty-bitty 12, sorry.  Enzo still carries more panache, even
under Fiat wings...

--
...ignoring the fact that most Alfas spend their time cruising for
chicks, most Datsuns being washed and most Porsches in parking spaces
marked "Doctor"...              -Henry N. Manney III, Road and Track
Al Bowers                                 bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.vw
From: rounds@interlan.Interlan.COM (dave rounds)
Subject: Re: reliable cars
Organization: Racal InterLan, Inc., Boxborough, MA (1-800-LAN-TALK)
	<1992Aug18.170909.12764@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
	<1992Aug18.202616.22716@walter.bellcore.com>
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:17:21

In article <1992Aug18.202616.22716@walter.bellcore.com> jyri@faline..bellcore.com (Jyri Virkki) writes:


>   My father had a '81 Rabbit Diesel, and it was absolutely the worst car I've
>   ever seen, heard of, or even imagined. The only nice thing was the fuel 
>   economy, but it's certainly not worth having a car that used to leave
>   us stranded at _least_ five or six times a year. And, being the unpopular
>   model (who buys diesels anyway?) repairs and parts were wildly expensive.

>   Having owned Beetles for the previous twenty years and never had problems,
>   the Rabbit sounded like a good alternative... HA! Anyway, I'd stay away from
>   those cars like they were a disease...


Well Jyri,

My experience with this type of car could not be more different.  I have
been very happy with my Rabbit diesel for the last 10 years.  It is still 
relatively young with only 150,000 miles on it.  I have used this car 
daily for the last ten years and on only 1 occasion has it failed to 
start due to a corroded fusable link.  I have had no other "diesel" 
specific problems, I do replace the timing belt ever 60K and I also 
had a head gasket leak in 1982 under warranty.

Keep them clean, cool and change the oil frequently and they will run
forever.  If you can live with diesel issues and can find a properly
maintained vehicle you will have few problems. 

I have and have had other cars, but I had never had as reliable a vehicle.
I hope to be able to buy another new one some time in the future. In my 
opinion if you commute large distances it's hard to beat the per mile 
costs.

Dave Rounds

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Subject: Re: $758 for an oil change?
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:08:58 GMT

kelley@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sean Kelley) writes:
>meiboy@tsoft.sf-bay.org (MeiBoy of UCU) writes:
>>Usually when I take my car to the Ford dealer every 7500 miles for
>>sheduled maintenance, it costs about $170 and it includes
>>oil change, checking the hoses, battery, etc., lubing the chassis,
>>and rotating the tires.  

>WHAT THE HELL....170 DOLLARS FOR MAINTANCE...!!!!!!.....

That's what I said too.  My 7,500 mile checkup (on a Geo at the
dealer) ran about $50 and included everything above.

>>But today, I took my car in for the 30,000 mile sheduled maintenance
>>service and the  guy told me it will cost $758.  And this is not
>>for fixing anything.
>>Can anybody tell me what they do at 30,000 mi. that they don't
>>do at other mileages on Ford cars?
>>Has any other Ford owners experienced the same thing at their
>>30,000 mile maintenance

That seems extremely steep to me.  My maintenance manual shows the
normal maintenance, a tuneup, tire rotation, and an AC system check at
30,000 miles -- pretty much what you'd expect for any car.  That ought
to run around $200 at dealer prices unless they find something
seriously wrong.

The only way I could see it costing more than $700 for "normal"
maintenance is if they're replacing the tires -- and I'd go somewhere
else to have that done.

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
From: sgupta@mueller.ecn.purdue.edu (Sameer Gupta)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Law regarding speeding ticket ?
Keywords: Help, Reckless driving
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:35:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I was charged with reckless driving (81 in a 65 zone) in VA.  Here is the
problem :

	I am now pursuing a MS at Purdue University in Indiana.  Since the
charge is reckless driving, the cop said I have to appear in court in VA (at
least an 8 hr drive from here.)  Is there any way I can avoid taking this 
trip (The court date is Sept. 18, smack in the middle of the semester.)

I do have a clean record and scum measured my speed coming down a steep hill.
Any advice or notes about previous experiences welcome.  I am sure I am not the
first guy to be charged with reckless driving so far away from home.

Please help,

Sameer
From: lea00@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Larry Akers)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:05:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Cost of 0 to 60 mph.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.autos

>In rec.autos, TKPOWELL@bluemoon.profs.tek.com writes:

    >tpc@icd.ab.com (Thomas P. Cunovich) writes:

    >-I found this article in the Cleveland Plain Dealer interesting.
    >-It will probably add fuel to the old , new, (300ZX,L88), thread.
    >-1991 Porsche 911 Turbo. Factory price: $95,000. 0 to 60 mph: 4.6
    >-seconds. Cost per second: $20,652.

    >-1991 GMC Syclone pick-up. Factory price: $26,000. 0 to 60 mph: 5.3
    >-seconds. Cost per second: $4,906.

    >-1992 Lamborghini Diablo. Factory price: $240,000. 0 to 60 mph: 4.5
    >-seconds. Cost per second: $53,333.

    >-1991 Callaway Twin Turbo Corvette. Factory price: $67,000. 0 to 60 mph:
    >-5.1 seconds. Cost per second: $13,138.

    >-1991 BMW 850i. Factory price: $79,000. 0 to 60 mph: 7.3 seconds. Cost
    >-per second: $10,882.

    >-1992 Geo Storm GSi. Factory price: $14,000. 0 to 60 mph: 7.3 seconds.
    >-Cost per second: $1,917.

    >-1992 Mercedes-Benz 600 SEL. Factory price: $127,000. 0 to 60 mph:
    >-6.3 seconds. Cost per second: $20,158.

    >-1991 Acura NS-X. Factory price: $63,000. 0 to 60 mph: 5.7 seconds.
    >-Cost per second: $10,877.

    >How does this compare with the olden days?

    >-1971 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona. Factory price: $24,000 (then, pal).
    >-0 to 60 mph: 5.9 seconds. Cost per second: $4,067.

    >-1965 Chevelle Malibu SS/396. Factory price: $4,600. 0 to 60 mph 6.5
    >-seconds. Cost per second: $708.

    >-1967 Cobra. Factory price: $7,000. 0 to 60 mph: 4.2 seconds. Cost per
    >-second: $1,667.

    >-1967 Plymouth Belvedere GTX Hemi. Factory price: $4,700. 0 to 60 mph:
    >-4.8 seconds. Cost per second: $979.

    >-1970 Buick GS Stage 1. Factory price: $4,500. 0 to 60 mph: 5.5 seconds.
    >-Cost per second: $818.


    >And the winner is..............


    >Honda 1993 CBR900RR   List price $8299  0 to 60 mph:  2.8 seconds.
    >Cost per second: $296
                     ^^^^^  --  shouldn't this be $2963.93

    >--TP

Wrong!!!   Wrong!!!   Wrong!!!  The winner is:

  -1955 Chevy Pannel Truck   List price $820  0 to 60(top end):  22.5 seconds
  -Cost per second $36.44
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jchen@flash.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)
Subject: Re: 1987-1991 CAMRYS may lock you in the car
Reply-To: jchen@flash.UUCP (Jason Chen)
Organization: Bellcore, Morristown NJ
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 19:59:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.171318.10622@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> mike@mote.Berkeley.EDU (Mike Friedrich) writes:
>
>Or Toyota could tout this as a *feature*, as on some Chryslers, where the
>doors automatically lock when the car exceeds a certain speed (15 mph?).
>Ugh!  Let me decide when to lock my doors; the locks don't prevent the
>doors from opening in an accident, anyway, but they do prevent your
>rescuers from helping you out of the wreckage.
>

I really like my Camry's power locks because they don't allow you to
lock when the key is in the ignition. That is one choice that I would
rather give up.

C. Jason Chen 
jchen@flash.bellcore.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dls@tid.es (Douglas Ellis)
Subject: Two Questions
Reply-To: dls@tid.es
Organization: Telefonica I+D
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:25:03 GMT

I am sorry to post these questions, but I am overseas and have no other
access to this information.

  1)  My EXPIRED Connecticut license was stolen from me here in Madrid.
      How do I go about getting a new one?  Is it a problem that the
      license has expired?

  2)  Can someone please send me the street address for the Department
      of Motor Vehicles in New Haven, CT (State Street, I think).

Again, sorry if this is an inappropriate post, but I'm in a jam.

Thanks


-- 
Douglas Ellis goya!tid!dls@uunet.uu.net
Telefonica Investigacion Y Desarrollo
Madrid, Spain
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: shoppa@erin.caltech.edu (TIM SHOPPA)
Subject: Hood Locks?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:10:00 GMT

Hi,
	When I got my new car the dealer was trying to sell me a hood lock
system called, I believe, "Z-lock".  It looked like a cable that attached
to some sort of lock mechanism on the front of the hood that ran to a lock
that came out below the instrument panel.  I haven't seen similar things
available anywhere else, but would like to try to install one myself.
Does anyone know where I can get the parts for such a system?  I'd even
be willing to cobble stuff together out of hardware store parts and maybe
even do a little machining and welding myself.  (I think the dealer wanted
$295.00 for the basic hood lock!)
	The big reason I want a hood lock is that I am still not
satisfied with my car's security.  I have a nice alarm system, but I'm sure
any kid that grew up on the wrong side of town could break in and disable
it in less than 15 seconds.  (Easy: break window.  Get in, pop hood.
Remove battery cable.  Gees, with practice mayble less than 10 seconds.)
I have an ignition kill switch I put in, but I'm sure that after the hood
is open this doesn't do any good.
I thought about a backup alarm battery, but I'm sure that could be found
easily enough as well.  Now if I have a halfway decent lock on the car's hood,
I might be able to get this figure up to a few minutes....

				Tim (Shoppa@erin.caltech.edu)
From: ggg@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Gary Goodlund)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:23:21 GMT
Subject: Re: ....Integra A/C and Headlights.......problem ?
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

What you're probably hearing is the thermostat turning on the A/C compressor
as the temperature rises above whatever you've set on the dash.  When it 
turns on it applies a heavy electrical load on the car's system and causes
the temporary dip in the operating voltage on the line.  When your regulator
compensates for this and returns the voltage to normal (about 13.5 VOLTS)
the lights come back up to their normal brilliance.  

That's just a brief description it gives you the idea.

'later,
   Gary


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: "Factory Air"
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix (sponsored by U. of Denver Math/CS dept.)
Disclaimer1: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of
Disclaimer2: Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
Disclaimer3: control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 07:52:05 GMT

As opposed to what?

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From: pete@introl.introl.com (Pete Ikusz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Police Tauri
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:07:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: introl.1992Aug13.180741.39349
Distribution: usa
Organization: Introl Corp.

In article <zh+y3!h@rpi.edu> johnsh@aix.rpi.edu (Hugh Johnson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.203548.24844@b11.b11.ingr.com> cottle@b11.b11.ingr.com (Tim Cottle) writes:
>>The last time I was by the Huntsville, AL PD headquarters, I noticed about 25
>>plain white Tauri parked in the back part of the lot.  They were new ones--
>>1992 models, apparently awaiting the decals and light bars.  I had seen one
>>on the road the day before, with a Federal Vision lightbar--a really 
>>unusual set-up with 5 individual dome rotating lights in a V formation, point
>>forward, and a line of amber strobes facing rearward.
>>
>>Does anyone know how the police package Tauri are configured?  Is it just a
>>SHO with beefed up electricals and a auto transmission, or something more?
>
>A cop Taurus SHO is a great idea, but they would be far too expensive.  Plus,
>the wrench-heads in the fleet garages wouldn't have a clue on how to
>work on the Yamaha engine.  I believe the police Tauruses get a similar
>suspension and tire set-up as the SHO, but use the 3.5L V6 (or the trusty

Right the engine is a 3.8l V6. R&T had an article in one of their
rags reviewing it. It has a top speed of 107 w/light bar and around 115 w/o.

>5.0L V8 -- do they still make 5.0 Tauruses? I know they used to).  Also,

I never heard of a 5.0l Taurus. Chiltons doesn't say anything about it.
There were either 2-3 types of plain Taurussusses! The 3.0V6 the 3.8V6,
and possibly a 2.3l 4cyl. I am positive of the V6's. (Not counting the SHO)

The only FWD V8 cars that I know about are some of the Cadillacs.

-Pete
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From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: Re: Chevy's New Commercial [ZR-1 and Caviler]
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 00:13:25 GMT

I'd drive the corsica before I drive the TERCEL
and I'd drive the shamu caprice any day with a police package...[i'd
drive it before I drove a 929..that is worse then the caprice.]
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kelley@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sean Kelley)
Subject: Re: Locking Lug Nuts & Broken Key: Suggestions?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 03:17:12 GMT

If you would rather not cut them off, as suggest before, you can fall
back onto a thiefs trick...take a socket, about a 3/4 inch I think,
hammer it onto the keyed lug, and use a socket wrench to turn it
off...while this could be expensive(you may need four of them depending
if you can get the socket off the old key) it works, from what I've
heard...you may need to try a couple different sizes of sockets, cuz i
am not sure what the true size is...
From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: How Accurate is the Blue Book?
Date: 19 Aug 1992 17:38:29 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: merlin.think.com

Having recently bought a used car, I used the blue book prices
to figure out how much the car was actually worth with some
success.  Don't forget that the insurance will cover the car
only for the blue book value (or thereabouts).

I did not tell the dealer what my limit was or how I derived it.
I had heard previously that they tend to get argumentative
about it.  What I did was bargain him down to $200 below the
BB value.  It worked for me.  Bear in mind that the dealers
tend to buy the cars (tradein value) for 1/3 less than the blue
book value.  If the dealers get really objectionable, as a last
ditch effort you might try to say "fine, let's walk over and see
the invoice on the car". One dealer (whom I did not buy from)
tried to laugh me off and when he saw I was dead serious agreed
that perhaps he could talk to his sales manager about the car's
price.

	Good luck and stick to your guns.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: johnsh@aix.rpi.edu (Hugh Johnson)
Subject: Re: used '91 535i vs. new '92 929
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:37:10 GMT

In article <92232.103515WJT101@psuvm.psu.edu> <WJT101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Hello,
>A friend of mine is in the market for a new car.  Two cars he is considering
>are a used 1991 BMW 535i with 19,000 miles and a brand new 1992 Mazda 929.
>He can get both cars for about the same price.  I was wondering if there are
>any people out there with experiences with either the Bimmer 535i or the new
>Mazda 929.  Thanks!!

If he wants a gorgeous, beautiful sedan that will draw plenty of looks but
won't be particularly inspiring on the road, tell him to go with the 929.
If he wants a bland, uninspiring body with power, handling and one of the
best executions of German automotive excellence, tell him to go with the 535i.

 
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson)
Subject: Chapman (was Re: driver owned teams)
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, Michigan (USA)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:51:37 GMT

In article <1144@racerx.bridge.COM> james@Bridge.COM (James Montebello) writes:
>
>Colin Chapman never raced cars of his own construction; so, no, Lotus
>is not on this list. While Enzo Ferrari raced cars in the '20s, he
>never drove his own cars, which he didn't start making until after the
>war. 
>

I've seen a photo of Chapman driving a Lotus 49.  He wasn't even wearing
a helmet (and I don't think the original had seatbelts)!  It may have
been a prototype.  Can one of the Lotus experts tell me if he ever
drove any of the later cars himself?  (I'm not talking about in a race --
did he ever even take a 72, for example, for a spin?)

Just curious.

Dave Wilson
From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Hungarian GP
Date: 20 Aug 92 10:49:24 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Shane Roach (csroach@eng.clemson.edu) wrote:
: Does anyone out there know if, now that they've got the driver's title and a few more
: points will win them the constructor's championship, Williams will bring out the
: FW-15 for a few races?  If I read the rules changes correctly, all of this year's 
: cars will be illegal next year, so unless Team Willy want the FW-15 to be a virgin
: museum piece, they'll have to run it this year.  I know I want to see it.  
: 
: 
: Shane Roach
: csroach@eng.clemson.edu

FW15 will be next year's car. It presumably already has been/is being
re-worked to comply with next season's rules. It is supposed to be out
on test in the near future; before the end of this season.

Pete
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From: ab@crosfield.co.uk (Andrew Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Senna & Prost to Williams. Mansell retires.
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:21:19 GMT
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.

In article <92230.001654A735FJO@HASARA11.BITNET> A735FJO@HASARA11.BITNET writes:
>Sorry, the subject line is not the news.
>It's just what I think.
>Now that Mansell has won the world championship finally,
>he will not want to fight for a seed in the Williams.
>Especially, as Williams looks like preferring both Senna and Prost
>over Mansell.
> 
>Frans


I believe that Post is trying to stop Senna joining him at Williams.

And Mansell won't work with Prost either.

I think this only leaves Mansell and Senna as a viable option.

Mansell has said that he wish defend his title next year at Williams
in an interview with the BBC.

Regards Andrew
From: smithr@teecs.UUCP (Robert Smith)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:17:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Potted History of Brabham (was Re: driver owned teams in F1)
Organization: Litton Systems, Toronto ONT
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport

OOPS! Sorry about that, I'm not used to this editor.

Bob.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: nrc@cbnews.cb.att.com (N. Richard Caldwell)
Subject: Re: Proposal: rec.autos.formula1
Organization: AT&T Network Systems  -  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:29:22 GMT

From article <1992Aug20.035251.12027@sequent.com>, by dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller):
> I'm willing to go through with the process of voting and dealing with
> the various postings to create a group for Formula 1.
 
> I think that the F1 clan deserves its own sandbox and I am willing to
> facilitate this (boy am I going to regret this).
> 
> What do you say?

I would agree that F1 is about the only topic with enough traffic right
now to justify it's own subgroup.  However, I would suggest that you 
propose a reorg for the motorsports hierarchy rather than putting 
formula1 directly under autos. 

I would suggest creating:

rec.autos.racing.misc
rec.autos.racing.formula1

and removing:

rec.autos.sport

This would serve several purposes.  First of all it would give the
F1 fans their own motorhome to lounge in while they watch the
miserable masses file by (sorry, just kidding :-).  Second, it might
once and for all rid us of the bozos who can't figure out that this isn't
the place to talk about their "sports car."  And finally it would
allow a logical hierarcy for the creation of other subgroups IF they
are ever needed (which at this point they are not IMHO).

Just my opinion.


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