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From: lib1p@elroy.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: Re: Publications
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:52:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.224556.28037@nntp.uoregon.edu>, JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Laurie Brandt) writes...
>Is there a list out there, maybe on an FTP site, that has a current list of
>Pagan oriented publications available?
> 
>Also by the way is there any one out there willing to sell or donate back
>issues of pagan publications for Indexing, this index will be made
>available to one or more of the major indexing firms to include in their
>quarterly complations. Also I will post portions of it on a quarterly basis
>on an FTP site as well. I am willing to do this so: 
>    1. Librarys will be willing to subscribe to Pagon publications, 
>    2. The articles written for these publications will have a wider access
>and acceptance within the scholorly community such as cultural historians
>and anthropologists. 
>    3. Such articles will then be available to be gotten through Inter
>Library Loan. and to be able to futher the growth and support for the
>pagans with in the scolarlty community at large.
> 
>If so you can contact me through e-mail for my post offal address. etc.
> 
>Blessed Be Always!
>Pegasus
> 
> 
This isn't as easy as it sounds.  See, I work in Interlibrary
Loan at the University of Houston Library.  There are a couple
of stumbling blocks that I can point out to you right away.

1.  Just because a journal is indexed doesn't mean we can get it on
Interlibrary Loan.  We have a terrible problem with the MLA CD-ROM
database, because they index books and articles which no one owns.

2.  Just because a journal is indexed doesn't mean that a selector
(a librarian responsible for selecting the titles to be bought with
his/her area) will tag it for purchase.  There is TONS of information
out there and little money to buy it with.  Libraries have to be
selective and purchase only materials that support their particular
patronage.  That is why a book might be found in public libraries
all over the country won't be found in a University library.

3.  Just because a journal is indexed doesn't mean that you can
get a biased selector to agree to it.  I have been trying to get
positive pagan books in our library since I was a sophmore full-time
student here. (Note a long time now)  Our selector in that area is
a nice person, but......He is from so far in the past that he won't
even touch the pc's that the CD-ROM's are on. (It's called follow
the prompts...geez!)  You can imagine the Baptist Bible Belt Bias
this man has.

Now don't get me wrong.  I fully support what you are doing.  However
I don't want you to get your hopes up too far.  Start small.  If it
works then go for the gusto.  

Blessed Be,
Tammy

P.S.  If you want any help or suggestions just e-mail me.  I'll see
if I can't dig up my old 'zines, but most of them are packed away
in storage at the moment.

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: Myer-Briggs <was: Re: a nice experience last night>
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:18:18 GMT

mkkuhner@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Mary K. Kuhner) writes:

>I'm INTP (Introvert/Intuitive/Thinking/Perceiving) but so far
>Myer-Briggs doesn't seem particularly correlated with paganism--I don't 
>think I've seen two codes the same--except for the Introvert part.

>It seems as if a circle could use people on both sides of the thinking/
>feeling and perceiving/judging dichotomies, for balance.

Vivianne Crowley devotes a good bit of her third and fourth chapters in _Wicca:
The Old Religion in the New Age_ to exactly this issue.  She is a Gardnerian/
Alexandrian High Priestess and a Jungian psychologist.  The book is excellent,
despite its title.  Her basic approach is to explain *why* the standard BoS
material works, using Jungian understanding of symbolism and ritual.

She points out that "Gardnerian covens tend to be much more sensation/feeling/
intuitive and Alexandrian covens ar more thinking/intuitive."  She ends chapter
four by saying, "The most important piece of magic we will ever do is the magic
we do on ourselves, a magic of transformation.  The rounding of the personality
is one of the major aims of Wicca and of all systems of magical and spiritual
development.  From this solid foundation of the cross of the four functions 
within the circle of the rounded whole, the spiritual growth and psychic and
magical powers which enable us to climb new heights will spring."


              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

******************************************************************************
Newage is hypoallergenic spirituality--
it's for people who are allergic to the word religion.
                                   --Jon Jay Obermark
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From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Halloween
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:12:25 GMT
Organization: axe me again an i'll ta-tell ya the same

In article <1992Oct13.030332.20750@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> 
lrabe@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lee A Rabe) writes:
>I've been invited to a Halloween party, and have found out that it is to be
>a costume party.
>I need suggestions for a costume.  Help!

Rent the video "Dinner with Andre" and memorize Andre's lines and then go
as Andre.
From: jblain@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Shaw quote (was: Youthful experiences)
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:29:04 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <2AD24F6F.27868@news.service.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
(in response to lots of stuff other people said - most of which I missed because
I didn't log on for a week . . .

> Linus Pauling has something on his wall (Oscar Wilde may be the source)
> that says something like, "The reasonable man adjusts himself to suit
> the world.  The unreasonable man adjusts the world to suit himself.  All
> progress therefore depends upon the unreasonable man."
> 
> Blessings,
> Janis
> 
> 
The quote is from George Bernard Shaw. At the end of one of his plays there's a
short booklet of "Maxims for Revolutionists" of which that is one. The
wording isn't quite right, but the sense of it is. I'm trying to remember
the name of the play. I don't have it here, so can't give an exact quote.
It's the play that's based on the Don Giovanni story, whatever it's called 
- this is ridiculous! It may be 13 years or so since I read it, but I should
be able to remember that! Help!

Possibly _Man and Superman_??
-- 

	Jenny		Jblain @ ac.dal.ca
__________________________________________________________________________
	I was in many shapes before I was released:
	.....
	I was a path, I was an eagle, I was a coracle in seas;
	I was a bubble in beer, I was a drop in a shower;
	I was a sword in hand, I was a shield in battle.
	I was a string in a harp enchanted nine years, in the water as foam;
	I was a spark in fire, I was wood in a bonfire;
	I am not one who does not sing; I have sung since I was small.

						[from The Book of Taliesin]
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: michael@albert.bu.edu (Michael Chaplin)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Eyes,Signs,Paganism
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:17:42 GMT
Distribution: alt.pagan
Organization: Boston University
In-reply-to: rcormac@eniac.cs.oberlin.edu's message of 12 Oct 92 05:17:00 GMT

In article <RCORMAC.92Oct12001700@eniac.cs.oberlin.edu> rcormac@eniac.cs.oberlin.edu (Cormac (Xbattle -rcormac) Russell) writes:

  =Hah! Blue eyes! Gemini! (so is my brother...). Pagan.
  =See it isn't just you uppity Hazel Eyed Libras! :) :) :) :) :)
  =^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  =NOTE SMILEYS THAT IS A JOKE!!!!
  =^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  =that was a joke too. Sorry, am stressed out right now... :)
  =Blessed Be
  =   Cormac
   
That's o.k., 'cause it's us Hazel Eyed Virgos who've gotten beyond
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
this whole religion thang. ;^)   ;^)   ;^)

Michael "Hazel Eyed Virgo who's working on this smugness thing" Chaplin.

--
=========================================================================
Michael A. Chaplin           If you want *their* opinions, ask *them*.
michael@albert.bu.edu ....The Einstein Papers Project, Boston, Mass., USA
chaplin@husc.harvard.edu ....Harvard University, Cambridge, Mass., USA
From: kendrick+@CMU.EDU (Kendrick Kerwin Chua)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Handfasting/Pagan Marriage Ceremonies
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:16:22 GMT
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I was at a handfasting once for a few wiccan friends of mine. I don't
remember the details, but the general impression I got was a great deal
of food, flowers, happiness, dancing, and then at the end of it all, a
declaration of the bonding of two lives in harmony.  Not at all like
your standard church ceremony, the whole thing was happy and free.

The one I went to was less ritual and more party.  It works best with a
large number of people (we hired security to handle any problems, of
which there were none, fortunately) and it's basically a very uplifitng
experience.

Hope this helps.


Kendrick Kerwin Chua

kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu    or
kendrick+@CMU.EDU

Cthulhu for President, 1992!
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: csherbak@well.sf.ca.us (Chris Sherbak)
Subject: Re: Druids
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:03:39 GMT

In <8erWjUK00Vog07d0g=@andrew.cmu.edu> af2e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alex Feely) writes:

>  I'm interested in becoming a druid. any info you have I would love.
>please E-mail this and any info you have about the Sassafras grove, a
>druidic chapter in pittsburgh to af2e@andrew.cmu.edu . Thanks in advance.
I'm not familiar with a Sassafras Grove, but I am involved with ADF (Ar
nDraiocht Fein: A Druid Fellowship) who can be reached at P.O. Box 9420,
Newark, DE 19714-9420.  I think that's a good address (I'm at work and don't
have all my "periphanalia" at hand.)  I'll look up groves in and around pitt
and get back to ya tho.
-- 
Chris Sherbak - CIS:70250,264 - Internet:csherbak@well.sf.ca.us
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:37:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.pagan

Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Native, was Witches and death
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:03:08 GMT

In article <Bw6Dzv.2r6@inews.Intel.COM> pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey) writes:
>
>Why not? What makes one a native? What actions give you the right to call
>yourself American? Paul Rodrigues had an interesting essay on
>PBS's MacNeil/Lehrer about the celebration of Columbus's 500th. He concluded
>that the problem is that for a great deal of us, for better or for worse,
>1492 is our birthday.

I suppose in the greater scheme of things, we are all Native Earthers. We're
born on this planet and must live here together. But then we get into questions
about where this or that person comes from, their ethnic background and so
on. To be truly spcific about it we'd end up talking like the Ents of Tolkien's
mythos and taking a very long time to say something because of the details.
I guess Treebeard was right, we're a hasty people. So we become Native this
or that, and it gets even more confusing as time goes on.

Bb,

Corun


-- 
===========================================================================
    Corun MacAnndra    |   How much comm could a comm port port
  Dark Horde by birth  |     if a comm port could port comm?
    Moritu by choice   |
From: mad@spirit.clearpoint.com (Michael Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Amazon warriors
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:08:50 GMT
	<1992Oct14.013623.8610@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
	<2ADB9475.15006@news.service.uci.edu>
Organization: Walking Dead Man Bar and Grille


On 14 Oct 92 03:31:01 GMT, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) said:

Janis> It's thought that the word comes from a-mazos, which is Greek for no-
Janis> breasted.  Amazon women were "supposed" to have cut off their right
Janis> breast to string and shoot a bow better -- a blatantly male-centered
Janis> deduction.  (Would a woman say that Mongolian horsemen were eunuchs just
Janis> as obviously because not having a penis would make riding a horse
Janis> easier?)  As an example (and I've mentioned this before), take me.  I
Janis> am dead center on the gaussian as far as cup size goes, and I shot low
Janis> 40's last time I pulled a bow.  (For those of you who are morbidly
Janis> curious, that means a B-cup.)  Where then did the myth come from?

Actually Janis, my morbid curiosity was more like "what does it mean
to shoot in the low 40's"  Is that good, bad, or dead center on the
gaussian curve.

:^)

Blessings and Peace

-mad

Michael A. Davis           Clearpoint Research Corp.   (508) 435-7452 (voice)
mad@spirit.clearpoint.com  135 Parkwood Drive          (508) 435-7504 (fax)
                           Hopkinton, MA 01738


Keep the war alive.
                -- A White House official, describing President Bush's
                   1992 reelection strategy.
From: wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Events Calander
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:24:51 GMT
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
X-Md4-Signature: dbbbbcd70a489d9d5ad31b768ee2978d

In article <gate.8RNBsB1w165w@pil.UUCP> usr77@pil.UUCP (A.Lizard) writes:
>
>                              CALENDAR OF EVENTS
>Date           Event and
>Cost           Location          Description                Contact
>******************************************************************************
>
>11/6-8         Samhain Gathering Workshops, etc. with       School of Wicca
> $65 ($85      Atlantic Beach    Gavin & Ivonne Frost, Grey (919) 637-5825
> after 10/15)  North Carolina    Cat and others
> + room & board
>
>11/6-8         Samhain Seminar   Lectures with Church of    Samhain Gather'92
> $65 ($85      Atlantic Beach,NC Wicca.  Share-a-room:      P.O. Box 1502
> @ door)                         $20/night with 6/unit      New Bern, NC 28563
> + room                          $40/night with 3/unit      (919) 637-5825

	These two events (it appears) are the same, and while I am *NOT*
a Wiccan, I am pleased as punch that one of the members of our local
CUUPs chapter is going to this seminar and is taking a song I wrote for
the local CUUPs chapter to it!  The song, titled "Celebrate the Circle"
will be used (I am told) as a choral invocation by the "Wicca Gospel
Choir" during the weekend. :-)

	Unfortunately, Leona and I wrote the words, and I composed the
tune, but I haven't yet been able to get it notated so I haven't posted
it yet.  Once I get the notations written down, and filed properly, I'll
be posting it for folks to enjoy.


Additional entries for the calendar:
10/31		Durham		  Public Samhain	    Celebrate the Circle
		North Carolina	  @ ERUUF		    Eno River UU Church
							    4907 Garrett Rd
							    Durham NC 27707
							    (919) 489 2575

12/20		Durham		  Public Yule		    Celebrate the Circle
		North Carolina	  @ ERUUF		    Eno River UU Church
							    4907 Garrett Rd
							    Durham NC 27707
							    (919) 489 2575

Ongoing		Durham		  Learning Circles	    Celebrate the Circle
		North Carolina    weekly discussions of	    (as above)
				  (neo-)pagan topics

Email contact for CTC: wolfe@wolves.durham.nc.us :-)
-- 
G. Wolfe Woodbury @ The Wolves Den UNIX, Durham NC         [use the maps!]
UUCP: ...duke!wolves!wolfe                            <Standard disclaimers>
Domain: wolfe@wolves.durham.nc.us   wolfe%wolves@cs.duke.edu
    Above all, we celebrate.   Celebrate the Circle Statement of Purpose
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: saucc00@DMI.USherb.CA (Dudy)
Subject: Pagan texts on the net?
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke departement Math-Info
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:48:23 GMT

I'd like to know more about what Pagan and Wicca are.  I do have a
basic knowledge on Magick, Gnosis and some stuff but the only thing I
know about Pagan is alt.pagan!   

I could buy some books, you're right but in the city where I am now,
we don't have many good bookstores.   So I'd like to know if there is
a ftp site where I could find some _good_ pagan or Wicca texts. Or
maybe if someone has some in ASCII format...

Well, thanks in advance...

C.
 
-- 
     Above the gemmed azure is
        The naked splendour of Nuit;
     She bends in ecstasy to kiss
        The secret ardours of Hadit      - Liber Al vel Legis, A.C. (666)
From: pcxsws@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (S.Ward-Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: sinead oconnor... verrrrryyy interesting
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:41:53 GMT
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham

In article <BvrHDB.3tA@acsu.buffalo.edu> dewind@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ultra-Violet Bluesman) writes:
>brenda@wpi.WPI.EDU (brenda) writes:
>
>
>>i heard that sinead (shiny head, some call her  *hee hee*)  was on sat. night
>>live a bit ago... i dont know if it was a rerun or whatever...
>>but she aparently sang a song (dont know what it was... sorry)
>>and then ripped up a picture of the pope, and said that it was time to fight
>>the *real* enemy... 
>
The *real* enemy are the idiots who were so offended by this act that they`re
spending a fortune to buy her records back off fans, so they can crate them
up and send them back to her.

Is this preparation for the rapture? Do we care?

Slainte,
Steve.

"Am I the only one throughout the land, witnessing something so grand"
It Bites
From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 17:42:27 EDT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:

> You imply that "Do the right thing" is modern, but it is actually
> ancient. It is a translation of the Sanscrit word dharma and is the
> theme of the Mahabharata, one of the oldest written texts in the world.

I understood your intent, and the multiple meanings you were overlaying 
into your choice of the phrase 'do the right thing'. I'd agree with the 
'mythos' you're attaching to the phrase.

But, to use another phrase, 'there's many a slip twixt cup and lip'. 
Arjuna was a lucky fellow, with a demigod to guide him and educate him as 
to the inner nature of 'right action'-- but most of the rest of us aren't 
so lucky. 

"Do the right thing" doesn't teach us what the right thing _IS_. And it 
leaves us terribly vulnerable to any authoritarian who can persuade or 
force us to accept their version of 'the right thing'.

Christ said, 'Sin no More', but the church redefined sin, and built a 
machine for control out of a teaching of freedom.

I didn't mean to impune the phrase you were using, BTW-- perhaps I should 
have used the older expression "go with the flow".

Later, Bill
From: acarr@pell2l15.alleg.edu (Amelia Carr)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Birth Data (Was Re: a nice experience)
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:01:28 GMT
Organization: Allegheny College

Since sending in birth data seems to be a way of making an offering of  
self, I include mine:
   April 22, 1955, 10:02 am.  Sun, Moon and Mercury closely conjunct in  
Taurus, Cancer rising, Water trine with Jupiter & Uranus conjunct in  
Canter, Saturn in Scoprio and Venus in Pisces.  
   Are the astrologers among us keeping track of these things (I didn't  
think to save everything at the beginning of the thread...)?   Are we  
looking for (or finding) astral twins?  I'd be interested if anybody has  
been able to make generalizations about the astrological configurations of  
this group.
Blessings,
Amelia
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Some disgustingly mushy stuff
From: haley@husc10.harvard.edu (Elizabeth Haley)
Date: 9 Oct 92 07:09:38 GMT

jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary) writes:


Gee, Must be a pretty bizarre world you live in... Let me give you
a bit of new perspective on your lists:
>  The case for the existence     The case against the existence
>  of God                                                 of God

>  Corvettes
  (read, "Chevrolet Penises"
>  Grading curves
  (read "lowering your standards")
>  25-cent stamps
  (25? I can remember 11 Cent Stamps, And I ain't that old)
>  Necco Wafers
  (read Chalk and koolaid)
>  Beef                           Road kills
  (read "Elsie, just $1.69 a pound!")

>  1940's                         1950's
>  	                          1960's
>  	                          1970's
And When Were You Born?
>  Florida                        The Keating Five
  (I'd say right now Florida is a prime example of an Angry God)
>  Labor unions                   Roe v. Wade
  (Ever Met a Teamster?      Ever Missed a period?)
>Not as much as it used to be... sorry.
>-- 
>Jessica McGeary
>jmm25@po.cwru.edu
>Case Western Reserve University
>Remember! Arguments should be FUN!

Though I do agree that Chocolate is proof of the existance of God, I
think American Politics is proff the God has a sense of Humor.
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From: fy03+@andrew.cmu.edu (Francis J. Yenca)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Halloween
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:10:48 GMT
	<2ADE2C05.6670@news.service.uci.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Janis curses and blesses:

>To hell with all of you damned punsters.  AND the horse you woad in on!
>
>Uh . . . blessings,
>Janis 

Part of me wishes I had a machine gun with which to put an end to all 
of this...

The other part of me wonders "Woad- ever for?"

Sorry,

Frank
From: simcock@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Birth data, etc...
Date: 17 Oct 92 14:37:31 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Oct15.171031.4296@mtu.edu>, jclannom@mathlab.mtu.edu (Joe Lannom) writes:
> Ah...
>  
> regarding eye color, mine are Blue to Green depending on something I  
> have no clue about.  They just seem to change on their own...



		On the subject of hazel eyes. I looked at mine this morning.
		The eye in the shadow looked hazel, the eye in the sunlight
		was golden. Is there a difference between Hazel and Golden Eyes?

			

						-Matthew.
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Seashells
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:01:35 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <1992Oct9.151613.19601@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com writes:

 > may require substitutions to fit other perspectives.  You have been
 > warned!)  I've seen some incredibly beautiful creatures;  the ones that
 > tend to be the most appealing to me are generally female humans (one
 > of MY great tactile pleasures!).

There are times I am so totally astonished I am left speechless. The
incongruity of the above remark following Janis's caress just completely
blew me away. I have had to peep in here several times to read it again
before I could believe it had actually been made.

Steve, didn't you feel her touch? Are you silly all over, or still just
panting mindlessly through your pubic phase, or what? Like a puppy half
grown, jumping all over the flower bed and slobbering over everything
in sight . . .

While I am thinking about it, does anyone in this circle ever speak the
others' names? You must read them, and think about them even if you
never actually type them in your replies. But do you speak them?

Do any of you ever let the others' names roll off your tongue?

Gil

--
Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
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