HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Best bikes of '73
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:23:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov19.032314.17598
Distribution: world
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

Laverda 1000 3CL
Ducati 750SS
Moto Guzzi V7 Sport
MV Agusta 750 America
Egli Vincent

In that order.

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:55:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.013743.19428@csrd.uiuc.edu> leung@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Bruce Leung) writes:
|egreen@east.sun.com writes:
|But Randy specifically asked for a definition so I gave the dictionary
|def and my own.  Here, I'll include Randy's question again.
|RD>  If you CAN see your viewport
|RD>edges, then how do YOU define "peripheral vision"?
|I never disputed Randy's claims.  I disputed his definition of peripheral
|vision.  I can easily see all edges of my viewport by moving my eyes.

  Uhhhh...  How was it, again, that *you* defined peripheral vision?  Seems
to me that you are contradicting yourself if you say that you CAN see your
viewport at *all*, yet are maintaining that you can't see it with your
peripheral vision.  I don't see anything in your definition or the
dictionary's that says you can't move your eyes away from pointing directly
forward.

  Even I agree that I can't point my eyes *directly* at the edges of
my viewport.  So...  By yours AND the dictionary definition, it seems to
me that my "peripheral vision" is how I am perceiving the edges of my
viewport.

  So, again, how does this figure into your idea of peripheral vision?

|Bruce "why did I get involved in this silly thread"

  Beats me, especially since it seems that you are contradicting yourself...
:-)

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:34:40 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <1edptvINN8l1@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>Many studies and much personal testimony indicates that a primary cause
>of motorcycle - automobile accidents result from poor conspicuity of
>motorcycles.
>
>So why on Earth would anyone *NOT* wear a neon orange vest with lime
>green reflective stripes.

Because (at least in my experience) visibility doesn't determine whether
an automobile driver will notice you.

Just because they *could* see you 20 miles away doesn't mean they *will* see
you when you're 20 feet away.


As far as this helmet thing is concerned, I, too, am one of those people who
simply cannot fathom the act of getting on a motorcycle without a helmet.
But I realize it is pointless to argue about it.  Once I tried to convince
an ambulance driver that everyone (and she, in particular) should wear a 
helmet--especially a full-faced helmet--when riding a motocycle.  I was 
strapped to a spine-board on my way to the emergency room with a minor 
concussion, and my helmet (with its fractured, abraded face) was rolling
around in the back of the ambulance, so I thought I had a particularly
compelling argument.

No dice.  There was just no reasoning with her.

>In general I consider
>people riding without reflective stickers not to be a REAL biker.

In general, people without motorcycles are not considered to be REAL
bikers.


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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: MSF=Infallible (was Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd.)
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:42:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Nov16.194242.10263
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <1992Nov13.001653.25508@lclark.edu> garyb@lclark.edu (Gary Bliefernich) writes:
>In article <9901072@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
>wrote:
>>
>> Did you know that the majority of fatal head injuries incurred by
>> helmetless riders have resulted in death?  I rest my case.
>
>If it's a fatal head injury, doesn't that automatically end in death??

<BaDum - ching!>

Yessir, yessir!  Give that man a cee-gar!


Step right up!  Hurry!  Hurry!  One of you was born every minute!



-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: White gas (was: Re: Riding with Gas)
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:04:52 GMT

In article <Bxx74B.8HI@world.std.com> kdg@world.std.com (Keith D Gregory) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.190254.8516@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com 
>(David Svoboda) writes:
>>
>>I have thought of taking along a quart or so of gasoline as an emergency
>>fuel when I go on long tours.  What is the net.consensus on what would be the
>>best container for that, and where it would be best to put the container.
>>The best thought I have is one of those spun aluminum camp fuel bottles,
>>strapped somewhere on the back of the motorcycle.  
>
>It'd work. Just keep it out of the sunlight to minimize evaporation. 
>
>I base this belief on the perhaps equally incorrect belief that "white gas"
>is ineed gasoline, without the various additives and what not that are used
>for engines.

White gas, as I understood it when we used to buy it all the time, was
gasoline with no antiknock additives.  Probably means the octane rating
is low - anyone know exactly?

Coleman fuel (or generic "camp stove fuel") is supposedly white gas
with additives to keep the burner clean.

I'm wondering if, in an emergency, a gallon of stove fuel with some
lead substitute would work as a motor fuel.


BTW, anyone else have the new "Amoco Clear" gas in your markets yet?
The advertising claims it's "purer", which is of course "proven" by
the fact that it's clear.  The fact that most auto gas is amber because
of the amber dye added to it for identification is ignored in the
advertisements.

Personally, I'm mad as hell about this stuff.  It's an aircraft fueling
accident waiting to happen.  (Or do they neutralize the dye at the
individual stations?  The red and blue dyes in 80 and 100LL avgas are
designed to turn clear when mixed - maybe the amber does as well - in
which case, they are making it clear by adding more impurities.
Anyone know for sure?)
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:25:13 -0500 
From: Butch_Anton@transarc.com
Subject: Re: Isle Of Man on TV
	<1992Nov19.131255.8540@muppet.bt.co.uk>

Uhhhh, no.  No speed limits out side of the towns.

Have a nice trip!

Butch Anton     | Psycho Racing (Novice Sprints)    | butch@transarc.com
Transarc Corp.  | '87 EX-500 WERA #623 AMA/CCS #811 | DoD #0124   AMA#485814
707 Grant ST    | M&N Racing (WERA Natl. Endurance) | '83 Seca 650 Turbo
Pgh, PA  15219  | '89 CBR-600 WERA #83 Novice       | '89 FZR 600
+1 412 338 4442 | "You have to be crazy to race this piece of shit!"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: daved@convex.com (David Dorfman)
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance trip?
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:01:57 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <28436@castle.ed.ac.uk> cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:

>In article <daved.722113328@convex.convex.com> daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:

>>I have been thinking of the same trip, fortunatley I already have 
>>the perfect bike for it. The Honda ST1100.

>>It's an easy 300 mile per day bike, you could probably handle 500 mile
>>per day if your willing to cruise at 80.

>??

>What's the point of having an ST1100 if you're _not_ willing to cruise
>at 80mph? Many 500cc bikes will cruise happily and smoothly at 80 all
>day, and put 500 comfortable miles a day behind them easily. The only
>reason I'd prefer an ST1100 over my current 500cc Guzzi is that I get
>fed up cruising at only 80.

Cruising at 80 on the ST is totally effortless, you barely hear any
engine noise whatsoever, even if you drop down into the capsule
provided by the fairing and eliminate the wind noise. I usually
cruise between 85-95. But on a 10,000 mile trip you have to think about
what you can do consistantly day in and day out. 

500 mile days with breaks for gas (2 on the ST) and lunch and dinner
means 8 hours on the road at an average speed of 80, assume two 10
minute breaks for gas and an hour for lunch, and two additional 10
minute breaks. You also must assume that every minute spent in an urban 
environment at 50MPH requires two minutes on the road at 95-105.

On top of this you don't want to die during the trip. So... 500 miles a 
day for twenty straight days doesn't seem so easy to me. 

Now if you wanted to ride 12-14 hours in a day, 500 is a breeze, but every day
for twenty days in a row?

Dave
DoD 1085
From: osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Why I ride
Date: 17 Nov 1992 00:24:47 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu

I've been reading the various postings about the physically nasty
things that can happen to you as a result of riding a motorcycle.
Well, I'm taking a break from a programming assignment, and
waiting for the advil to kill my headache, so I'd thought I'd write
up the following:

     Why I Ride

I don't think that getting killed in a motorcycle is the worst thing
that can happen to you.  Nor do I think that getting injured is the
worst thing that can happen to you.  From my perspective, the worst
possible thing that can happen to you is to realize, on your
deathbed, that you havn't done anything.  To live a life without
experiencing the thrill of hurtling at 150+ mph on a motorcycle,
or falling from the sky on a parachute, or going weightless on
a tabletop with your motocrosser, or flying with eagles on a glider,
or a perfect loop in an airplane, or diving a coral reef, or
fighting a hard, rightous fight and knowing you tried your best, or
travelling the world, or riding a storm in your sailboat, or
seeing a while breeching is something I just can't do.

When I close my eyes and dream, I'm skimming the ground, able to
fly.  I loop, I climb, I zoom under bridges, I dive and skim, I
boom and zoom.  I can't be happy always minimizing risks or constantly
worrying about what might happen.  Life is too short and there is
too much to experience.

My lover understands.  Being gay is a blessing that frees us from
the binds of societial norms.  We're already out of the mainstream
so we feel comfortable defining happiness on our own terms without
worrying about what other people think.  It is the perfect excuse
to play and adventure and live a life that you can be proud of
when the end is near.

Yes, people get horribly maimed and even killed when riding.
Lives are cut short by horrible accidents or even deliberate acts.
But I know the numbers:  If I use the right protective gear, if
I get the right training, if I practice important skills, if I
ride smart, and if I keep my wits about me in a crisis I can
make the statistics look pretty good.  I can't eliminate them
but if it was risk-free, it probably wouldn't be worth doing.
I want to LIVE, not just exist.

-John

-- 
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-John H. Osborn                     - Boycott Colorado
-osborn@cs.utexas.edu               - Enforced discrimination MUST NOT STAND
-DOD# 2001  '92 BMW Paris-Dakar     - Queer, Proud, and Angry
From: adis@adis.msk.su ( )
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Invite young and energetic dealers to cooperations
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 92 01:00:05 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: KIAE
Reply-To: adis@adis.msk.su

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer)
Subject: Re: High speed in USA?
Organization: QUAD Systems
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:46:04 GMT

>
>That's the problem with going 80 mph, the cops can catch you.
>Seriously, no one gets arrested for going 80 mph, unless you're in a school
>zone. 
>
>|> Do you think that Kawasaki had a good idea by showing its new bike in US?
>|> 
>|> Do bike-riders go fast in US? How many of you have been arrested?
>|> Cheers,
>
>As fast as is moderately safe, I am personnally more concerned about killing 
>someone else than myself, at least I have a choice.
>
>Never been arrested, like I said, they can't get your plates at 130mph.
>It seems to me, that if you are safe, most cops don't really care how fast you
>go, I've past cops at 25 over (80 mph) and they don't care.  They have their
>detectors set to 90 mph, cause they can catch some stupid f**k five minutes 
>later anyway.
>

It sure is my experience that cops typically don't care how fast you were 
going and usually are quite reasonable and will write you up for a 65 in a
55 zone even though you were going 75. The difference in fines is significant.

I've been stopped 4 times in a 2 week period commuting down HWY 9 (Santa Cruz
to Los Gatos) - virtually the whole stretch is double yellow lined and I
got caught passing 3 times and speeding once. Only the first one wrote me a
ticket. The others let me off with a warning when I showed them the ticket
I got earlier. I ride and RGV250 and when I got pulled over the last
2 times, they kept me there for 10-15 minutes salivating over the bike.

Everyone knew that is was basically a black market bike, but noone seemed to
care. 

-- 

Roland Besserer
QUAD Systems
roland@quadsys.com
From: daved@convex.com (David Dorfman)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Motowear Update ...
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:42:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.daved.721932136
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Nov16.140323.28530@swlvx2.msd.ray.com> csl@swl.msd.ray.com (Scott Lilliott) writes:
>The Details:
>Their suit is a 1-piece elastic-waist coverall-styled unit made of 500 Denier cordura
>nylon, same as Aero. There is kevlar/lycra at all the impact areas and the whole
>suit is stitched with kevlar thread. The soft armour is a closed-cell .375" thick
>pads at the shoulders/knees/elbows. It has 1 or 2 pockets because they feel that
>there is inherent danger in putting such things as keys etc. into a breast pocket
>in the event of smacking the pavement.  There are zip-open vents which can double
>as pocket, but they're trying to avoid adding more pockets. It is water-resistant,
>about the same as an Aero, and will handle cold down to ~40 deg F.  It comes in 3 
>colors: Red - Black - Blue.  They have 4 std sizes, S-XL, but they take your 
>measurements and adjust your suit accordingly - about 5 weeks wait.  Price is $349.


The AERO is a gore tex suit, For this reason I have to think it is more water 
resistant then the MOTO. Does the MOTO have any specific type of water 
resistan inner lining?

Dave
DoD 1085
From: bradl@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Brad LaBroad)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Saturday night COPS on FOX
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:48:08 GMT
Reply-To: bradl@tekig5.pen.tek.com
Organization: Pokey Folk on Parade

In article <RTARAZ.92Nov14211852@bigwpi.WPI.EDU> rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
>
>I might want to stop riding my bike.  I have always though about the
>possibility of getting into an accident and losing some body parts,
>but it is different when you see it happen!
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 Which is why I try NEVER to watch close-up video (with surround-sound
 stereo and smello-vision) dentistry. Yuk! Even though it's gross (IMHO)
 I'm still planning to go to Dr D. Sade's House o' Power Tools this
 Wednesday. I just won't watch :-)

 My mantra for m/c riding is "pain hurts"; I use it to temper my
 decision-making process and weigh the risks and benefits of behavioral
 options as I ride my scoot. Motorcycles are vulnerable, sure, but in
 many respects I have more survival options on a bike than I do as a
 pedestrian. And I'm not giving up walking, either. (To be truthful, my
 other two mantras are "happy happy joy joy" and "watch it bozo--don't
 pull out!")
 
 Bottom line: If and when it's no fun any more, I'll quit riding. If
 the fear factor outweighs whatever drives you to ride (ahem),
 why _not_ hang it up? (Can Ed have your bike?)

 Geez, I must be tired today...so fatalistic...

--
=============== Apply Disclaim-All (tm) to Affected Area ===============

Bradlee T. LaBroad	
bradlee.t.labroad@TEK.COM       			GB_500   DoD#389   
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: AeroStich Arrived
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:12:15 GMT

mikej@mikej.mentorg.com (Mike Johnson) writes:

>4.  The Aero is very stiff when new.  It came with 5 pages of instructions
>and one said that it would soften up with age.  That will be nice as I
>have to do some unnatural acts to mount the bike the way it is now.  (Yes
>I know mounting a bike is an unnatural act, just go with it.)

If you don't want to wait, remove the pads, and toss it in the dryer
(no or low heat) with a pair of sneakers. The tumbling sneakers will
pound some softness into the suit, but you may have to keep an eye on
the dryer, the shoes kept kicking the door open when I did it.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: groh@omicron.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Subject: Re: Bike Calendars
Reply-To: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 16:48:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.172438.8430@tc.fluke.COM> zippy@tc.fluke.COM (Steven Zopfi) writes:
>Ok, I know that this is gonna sound a bit weird 
>(oh gee, that will be a first for this group.  
>I am in need of a new calander for 1993 to be placed at work. 
>I am looking for a calander with bikes on it 

>anyone know of a calander with sport bikes that would be appropriate for 
>the work enviroment.  I thought last year that there was a GP racing 
>calander with all the big guns in it but either I was dreaming or it 
>isn't available this year.
>
>
Yes there was, no you weren't and yes it is.  The GP Racing Calendar for 
1993 can be ordered from:
       Paul Oxman Publishing, Inc.
       P.O. Box 8509
       Fountain Valley, CA  92728
            or for charge card orders
       1-800-228-0787  (USA + Canada)
       The calendar is $14.95 for the first, $10 for each additional.
They also have calendars for World Racing(F1, GP, etc), Sprint Racing,
Drag Racing, WarBirds, MotorCycle Classics, Legendary SportsCars,
Classic Street Rods, Americas Classic (Harleys), the also have 
xmas cards, note pads and note cards along the same lines.  I have
always liked what I ordered from them. the quality is excellant.
(standard disclaimer, I do not work for them, nor do I recieve any
thing from them other then what I paid for, just a satisfied customer.)

>zippy@tc.fluke.COM          Steven Zopfi               (206) 356-5653
>'85 ZX550A GPz Pilot   Dream>>Ducati 851   LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET OF OF THE WAY.
>
-- 
Jim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new  improved
1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig
From: jeg@beach.cis.ufl.edu (John Gelnaw)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: MSF=Infallible (was Re: Motorcyclist Hits Bicyclist on Skyline Blvd.)
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:01:25 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

>In article <9901072@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
>wrote:
>
> Did you know that the majority of fatal head injuries incurred by
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> helmetless riders have resulted in death?  I rest my case.

Hmmmm... Now, if this person is using this as a SERIOUS argument, the only
conclusion I can reach is that at some time they suffered a not-quite-so fatal
head injury, perhaps as a small child.

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      jeg@cis.ufl.edu           John Gelnaw          '83 Suzuki GR-650
  The University of Florida doesn't care about my opinions... why should you?
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From: anand@alice.att.com (Anand Iyengar)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HONDA GB500 - club racer single.
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:21:51 GMT
Reply-To: anand@alice.UUCP ()
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T, Bell Labs

jbothwel@bnr.ca (James Bothwell P920) writes:
>Saw a GB500 in a Honda Dealer's showroom last week.  The styling 
>is iffy but I like the weight and the torque of the big single.
	Sounds like they're remaking the Ascot...

	Followup-To: /dev/asbestos...
--
anand@research.att.com	908-582-2406