HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rca@cs.brown.edu (Ronald C. Antony)
Subject: Re: Prices on c.s.n.announce (LONG: FROM MODMAN)
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:34:59 GMT

>> I am sure most have noticed the 'magnitude' technique.  I chose to do  
>this
>> so maybe some people could use this to gauge their feelings about
>> whether to investigate the price at all.  Some would say that
>> $yyyy.xx is way out of range as apposed to $yy.xx or even $yyy.xx.
>> I made an assumption here, but that is the way I am doing it.
>> I appologise to those who are insulted by this decision, but
>> it was something I considered and thought would actually benefit
>> you without risking the reprecussions of actual numerical postings.

Great, could you use binary numbers for your prices? This way we would
only be off by a factor of at most 2 (versus a factor of 10 now...)

:-)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave Griffiths)
Subject: Re: Break from the past (was Spreadsheets)
Organization: Primitive Software Ltd.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:44:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.132437.6038@dpp> dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) writes:
>In article <1992Sep13.003355.18481@unmvax.cs.unm.edu> ctm@ardi.com  
>(Clifford T. Matthews) writes:
[deleted]
>> 
>> I'm not going to do a feature for feature comparison between Excel
>> under Executor and Mesa, Wings and Improv; but I do encourage
>> everyone to examine *all* sides before making a decision.
>> 
[deleted]
>
>Executor offers the ability to run good software on the best platform in  
>the world.  This is good.  Once again, I did not buy my NeXT to run Mac  
>software.  I bought it to run NeXT software.  I would like to use Executor  
>to run stuff that is not available on the NeXT (like DAC Easy Light  
>accounting... does it work yet?)  But once there is an accounting package  
>for the NeXT, I'll move away from DAC and into the new accounting package.
>

Cliff's point is that you should examine the features of the applications
_themselves_. There is no point in buying an app _simply_ because it is
native on the NeXT. The number of features that specifically depend on
the NeXT platform is small compared to the total set of features offered by
that app. The customers will decide on a feature by feature basis - why
expect them to buy a product that is possibly more expensive with less
functionality _just_ because it was written specifically for the NeXT?
(No implication about Excel/Mesa intended).

Dave Griffiths
From: wanguhnk@nextnet.csus.edu (e. kaman wanguhm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Has anyone compiled CNews for UUCP use
Summary: need CNews for use on a UUCP node
Keywords: CNews HELP UUCP
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:15:34 GMT
Followup-To: wanguhnk@nextnet.ccs.csus.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: California State University Sacramento

I have been trying to compile CNews to work on my machine at home so
 that I can read news at home using a UUCP feed but I have had no luck.

 If you have sucessfully managed to do this could you send me a
 snapshot of you answers to build so that I can try it and see if I
 have any luck.
-- 
Kamau Wanguhu                 |He was like a cock who thought the sun
		              |had risen to hear him crow
E-Mail                        |
wanguhnk@nextnet.ccs.csus.edu |[GEORGE ELIOT 1819P1880]
From: dblakele@hercules.acpub.duke.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Volume Modulation of .snd files
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:59:17 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.
Originator: dblakele@raphael.acpub.duke.edu

This references back to a post I made this morning about Sound levels
in Preferences.  Somebody suggested that one way to solve the problem
was to use SegHoarker.app to take out the individual .snd binaries and
turn them down.  I've mucked around a bit with the edsnd application
but haven't quite figured out which way to go about doing it.  Maybe
I'm using the wrong app.  Any suggestions about how to turn down the 
volume/modulation of a particular .snd file (or turn it up as the case
may be)?

Peace (and hopefully to gain an answer to continue marital bliss)


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From: bchin@terminus.umd.edu (Bill Chin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Info on getting 3.0 and CD-ROM player (was: Re: CD-ROM question, NeXT customer support gripe)
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:12:57 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Dept. of Good Guys and Cool Stuff

In article <Bu6vzI.2op@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
>
>If you call Order Management about it (option 5 then option 2 on their  
>1-800 number for 3.0 on CD-ROM), and they don't have your shipping  
>information handy, ask them to ask their supervisor about it.  For some  
>reason, the supervisors there have different (perhaps more up to date)  
>lists of names and addresses to ship to than what is on the lists that the  
>people who answer the phones have.
>-- 

*GASP*!  You mean they don't use NeXTs with a mission critical DBKIT
app to handle their order processing, and resort to (paper?) lists?

I don't know what they really use, but I've heard that some of the best
mission critical apps were created and used by NeXT for their own internal
management.

Maybe there should be a distributed object or speaker/listener app that
connects to next.com and one can call up the info electronically.
Kinda like the telephone banking services but using computers.
Just a thought...

..Bill




Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jchin@prodigy.bc.ca
Subject: NewsBase 2.1
Reply-To: jchin@prodigy.bc.ca
Organization: Prodigy Technologies Corp.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:21:41 GMT

NewsBase 2.1 is one cool news reader! It works with the nntp server at my site! (NewsGrazer doesn't) Thanks to the authors for a job well done!

I will be eternally grateful if some kind soul can spare a few moments to translate all the Japanese documentation to English.

Joe
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jchin@prodigy.bc.ca (NeXTmail welcome)	Vancouver, British Columbia
phone 16046874636 / fax 16046871671	Canada  V6Z 2H6
 **** "Heaven won't take me and Hell's afraid I'll take over!" ****

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Lusty Wench)
Subject: Re: Terminal question
Organization: Me
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:15:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.195451.14880@pellns.alleg.edu> frisinv@alleg.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.232726.19560@pellns.alleg.edu>  
>binders@reis55.alleg.edu (Simon Binder) writes:
>> I am on a NeXT system at a small college in Penn.  What I want to do is  
>>to  
>> find out how to send e-mail under a different name (i.e. a name other  
>>than  
>> my login name).  I know that there are ways to send e-mail through  
>
>Please send me the same information. The only person at Allegheny that can  
>do this (to my knowlege) won't tell me.


I'd say there's a good reason *not* to go spreading around this type of
information, since I can't think of a legitimate reason for wanting to
do it.

Lusty Wench
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: bwebster@pages.com (Bruce F. Webster)
Subject: Re: Diagram Palette for OMT
Reply-To: bwebster@pages.com
Organization: Banzai Research Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 05:10:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.134946.5844@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext3.cam.amd.com  
(Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) writes:
> In article <1992Sep1.061149.245@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>  
> ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson) writes:
> >>
> >>Since we live in an object-oriented world albeit a non-standand (thankgod)
> >>one.  Does anybody have a Diagram palette for Rumboughs OMT or has anybody
> >>ever done any CRC cards using a NeXT Product before?
> 
> I too would like something like this but for Booch's notation.  If I can ever  
> get away from all this SmallTalk/ObjectWorks stuff I might try using John  
> Glover's hot new diagramming palette for IB to build something.  OOD tools  
are  
> sorely lacking here (and everywhere for that matter).
> 
I designed a Booch palette for Diagram, which doesn't work *too* bad, given the  
limitations (e.g., need to place your own open/close circles for class relation  
diagrams; replace double lines with thick lines on same; etc.). Also, I cheated  
an used a distorted hexagon for objects, rather than the amorphous symbol Booch  
uses. Anyone wants a copy send me e-mail, but no guarantees on usefulness.   
..bruce..

Bruce F. Webster
CTO, Pages Software Inc.
bwebster@pages.com
#import <pages/disclaimer.h>
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Reading Tar floppies on a NeXT
Date: 8 Sep 92 04:49:43 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

I have a floppy I formated on a RS6000 and then wrote a TAR archive on to it.

How do I recover this info on to my NeXT?  

I know the NeXT has TAR but for starters how do I get the floppy in without the
NeXT formating it as it seams to want to?

thanks in advance

john shirlaw.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold)
Subject: Re: Handling foreign payments.
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 13:38:31 GMT


Hi Scott!

      Just wait when I send you MY shareware fee... ;-)

Most countries in Europe use the Giro system which is widespread and painless,
but the US hasn't caught onto it yet :-)

Otherwise, the best way is to use a credit card.  Different countries have
different banking policies, and what applies in the Netherlands does not
neccessarily apply here, and the opposite.  For me to send a 'postCheque'
as one poster advised, costs more than most shareware licenses do...
And I have experienced that:

1) The US bank (sometimes) charges to cash it anyway (doesn't sound legal...)
2) The one receiving the payment doesn't realize that they have received payment.

This is irritating when I subscribe to magazines (Bass Player, for example).
Every time I send payment I go 3 months without an issue and with letters
demanding payment, despite the fact that they have received payment long before
(nothing against Bass Player, BTW - it's a really great magazine :-)

One US company went so far as to deny that they had received payment, and when
I sent them a copy of my receipt they sent it back with a note: Not considered
prrof of payment  (probably because they didn't understand Norwegian and 
weren't smart enough to read the 'from:' 'to:' 'amount:' feilds...;-) 
So I lost both my money and the product :-(

Wire transfers cost money - again, usually on both sides.   
And don't think that because I pay $30 to send you $5, that _your_ bank won't 
also demand $30 to cash it...!   Remember what business banks are in. 

Sorry I don't have any more concrete advice!  I think a credit card is best -
but doesn't really help you in your situation.

Regards,
Thor
edmtl@fiol.uib.no
University of Bergen,
Norway
Eg er ikkje Norsk, eg er BERGENSK!  (Takk og lov er jeg ikke det!)
"A whale a day keeps the doctor away" (quote stolen from Jan Fagertun ;-)
From: asd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Doug McClure)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: ZyXEL 1496 modem
Date: 14 Sep 92 06:45:36 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In <1992Sep14.044529.1608@news2.cis.umn.edu> burchard@horizon.math.utah.edu (Paul Burchard) writes:

>> Since I'm not connected with them, (except as a satisfied customer)
>> I don't feel bad about posting a price -
>> it apparently changes all the time but about 2 weeks ago they were
>> quoting $349 plus a few dollars shipping.  They don't take credit
>> cards ('yet').  It has the latest production (4.13) ROMs, including

>Latest != greatest.  The 4.13 version has a bug which screws up FAX receiving  
>on the NeXT (but apparently not on PC's where they presumably test it).  I got  
>burned by this same thing by buying the ZyXEL hardware from a discounter,  
>rather than through Craig Goss of B&W (author of NXFax) directly.  Despite  
>this, Craig was extremely helpful about getting me upgrade ROMs in short order  
>(thanks Craig!).  I recommend talking to him before you do anything.

Indeed!  I got my ZyXEL last Friday from B&W, and I've been a VERY
happy camper.  It's worked flawlessly, and except for the super out of
date manual that came with it, I've not much to complain about.  Craig
was great.  I probably spent a half hour to 45 minutes on the phone
with him grilling him about the modem, and various considerations I
have to take into consideration with my particular phone setup.  Sure,
I wish I could a have gotten it cheaper, but I think the extra expense
was well worth both the software and knowing that theirs some pretty
cool support guys at B&W.  Look for more cool stuff to come out of
there.

-dsm
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak)
Subject: Re: Spreadsheets (was Mesa vs. Appsoft)
Reply-To: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak)
Organization: Athena Design, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:45:19 GMT

Okay, so it looks like the target for Mesa is Microsoft Excel.

Excel 4.0 is a very nice product.  It is also the forth major revision of  
a product that has been on the market for 6+ years now.  We use it as a  
benchmark, but I'd like to get input as to why (and please be specific)  
Excel is such a good program.  For example, please don't say "it has  
better graphs", but "the 3-D shadowing of the pie chart makes my reports  
look better."  If we have specific examples, we can work hard to satisfy  
those needs.

Let me also say that Mesa has features that Excel does not.  First of all,  
Mesa allows a lot of direct manipulation (colors, fonts, ranges, etc.)   
and has modeless inspectors rather than modal dialogs.  Next, we have a  
visual report builder which is much better than anything Excel has in  
terms of getting your output to look good.  Mesa has formula inheritance,  
a first on any spreadsheet and a very powerful tool.  Mesa has far  
superior links into SQL database systems.  Finally, Mesa comes with an  
object library that allows custom apps to interface with the spreadsheet  
including the ability to place live spreadsheet views in the custom app.

If you folks on the net tell us what specific features, graph types, etc.  
in Excel make it good, we will work to include those in Mesa.  Please  
remember to be specific about the feature that you like and the benefit of  
that feature.  Mesa is 10 months old.  Excel has at least 6 years  
development lead time on us.  We will work hard to not only keep up, and  
also provide great spreadsheet features not found in any other product at  
any price.

David
-- 
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Attorney at Law,
Feeder of the Bears, Athena Design, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: CD-ROM question, NeXT customer support gripe
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:50:34 GMT

bobcook@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Bob Cook) writes:
> William E. Aitken writes
> >
> >My package included 
> >
> >	1) The drive itself
> >	2) The power cable
> >	3) a software licence 
> >	4) a CD-ROM caddy.
> >
> >Is anything else missing?
> 
> We got two additional things.  One is a cable with a SCSI connector on
> one end and a connector that hooks to the drive on the other.  That's
> for hooking the drive to your NeXT.  The second is a "terminator"
> thingy that can be used to terminate your SCSI chain.

I work with the ITS product center here at RPI, which is to say the place  
that sells NeXT-type things on the RPI campus (and other campuses in the  
nearby area).

Please note that the SCSI connector & terminator do not come with the CD-ROM  
drive itself.  You must order them separately.  The reason they are separate  
is that you will need different cables depending on whether you have any  
other SCSI devices already on your NeXT.

So if you're ordering a NeXT CD-ROM drive, do not assume the cables come  
with it.  You'll have to order them as a separate item.  Presumably the  
place you're ordering from will do that automatically, but it doesn't hurt  
to check.  You'd be really upset to finally get the CD-ROM drive only to  
find you can't hook it up because you didn't order the right cables!!

--
Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: PasteUp vs PageMaker: Biz group needed.
Reply-To: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:56:56 GMT

In article <199209131117.AA01689@cnam.cnam.fr> eronald@CNAM.CNAM.FR (Edmund  
Ronald) writes:
> Advertising's place is not on c.s.n.m, so much we all agree. 
> However, advertising does contain information, or we wouldn't spend
> our time reading those trade glossies (Byte, Electronics etc...).
> So, why don't we make a "biz.next" group? This is the accepted place
> on the net for commercial ventures to strutt their stuff.
> 
> Edmund.

The closest thing currently existing, I should add, is probably the  
csn.marketplace group.  It at least has no illusions of being non-commercial,  
so perhaps it might be a good place to post things with prices.

Now, we DID discuss this during the call for votes, but people decided they  
wanted new software announcements in csn.announce (and they KNEW they wouldn't  
have prices there).  So, either way involves a change in the charter of some  
newsgroup.  Just wanted to throw another fact into the fire,

- Ernie 'RFD' Prabhakar

--
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Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu)
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#import <std/disclaimer.h>
From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Dammit, I'm dumb. Why doesn't talk work?
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:35:20 GMT
Reply-To: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

>Daniel M. Rosenberg writes
>> On some NeXT's, you type "talk," and it says,
>>
>> "Go away. You don't exist."

In comp.sys.next.misc, Alex Raftis writes:
>I've occaissionally had this problem and the only thing I can find is that
>talk doesn't like to work with Stewart ...

>My only guess for the reason is that Stuart handles the tty's kind of
>strangly. ...

In order to update the /etc/utmp file - to show that you are "logged"
on to that tty, the Terminal App must be installed as suid root (sad
but true).  Could it be that Stuart also needs to be installed setuid
root to solve this problem, and that you two haven't done this?

Just a guess...

BTW, having Terminal run as setuid root causes a bug with the preview
function of the print panel.  The PS tmp file created is owned by root,
but created with the umask defined in the defaults DB.  If you set up
a umask to prevents others from reading your files, then you can't use
the preview function from within terminal.  You get a cannot open type
of error messages from Preview - not that this is a real problem
because who really needs to preview the output anyway.  I wonder if
they fixed this in 3.0?  I'll know soon ....

This also seemed like a potential security bug - but I couldn't figure
out any way to take advantage of it.

Curt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jhall@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Jeff Hallgren)
Subject: Re: NS3.0 fake recycled paper? (mistake)
Keywords: sorry!
Reply-To: jhall@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:07:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.140409.17612@news2.cis.umn.edu>  
jhall@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Jeff Hallgren) writes:
> 	The manuals certainly have a recycled paper look to them but, are  
> they? There is no mention of the paper being recycled, why pretend? I  
> suppose that its even bleached paper dyed to look unbleached.
> 	Hopefully, NeXT (Redwood City) is just too cool to mention it.
> 	
> 	On another important subject, ever notice that the NeXT, Windows  
> and OS/2 logos are all black squares with 4 colors on them? (OS/2 has 5  
if  
> you count gray). Did they all hire the same stylists?
> 
> 	Jeff
> 
> Jeff Hallgren 
> Email: jhall@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu
>  
Groan, 
	Peter made me do it. I now see that 2 of the pamphelts/manuals say  
that they are printed on recycled papaer. DUH. 
	SORRY NeXT, and anyone else...
	Jeff
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer
From: andy@orchid.bdc.ubc.ca (Andrew Dwelly)
Subject: RTF Docs
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:04:54 GMT


I'm interested in doing some work with RTF, and RTFD - but I need
the details of the actual format. The only reference I've been
able to find in the NeXT developer documents is the reference

Rich Text Format Specification.  Microsoft Corporation.

In Reading.rtf

Does anyone know if this is available online anywhere ?

Andy Dwelly (andy@bcu.ubc.ca)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: orion@proxima.cc.colorado.edu (Orion Edward Poplawski)
Subject: WriteNow startup error
Reply-To: orion@proxima.cc.colorado.edu
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:52:46 GMT

I have started to get the following alert panel when I launch WriteNow:

Alert
File system error.  You do not have permission for that operation.

and then it aborts.

I can run the program as root.  What has been changed?

-----
Orion Poplawski
Physics Dept. Paraprofessional, The Colorado College
orion@proxima.cc.colorado.edu (NeXT mail OK)
(719)389-6750
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: dlw@atherton.com (Remo Williams)
Subject: Re: NS 3.0, Appletalk, and Macs
Organization: Atherton Technology, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:58:32 GMT

In article <16822@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu (Louis Todd  
Heberlei) writes:
> I have heard rumors that NS 3.0 will support Appletalk.  

NS 3.0 supports connections to Apple Macintoshes via EtherTalk an  
implementation of "AppleTalk" over the transport media of ethernet.

> If this is true, does anyone know if it would be possible to
> connect my Mac to my NeXT via an Appletalk network?  

This means then that you need an ethernet card on your Macintosh and the  
EtherTalk Phase 2 driver as well.

Furthermore,
> could I then print from the Macintosh to the NeXT printer?
Well,

You can print from the NeXT to the Macintosh Appletalk printer if you have  
LaserBridge from Sonic Systems. I just printed the 3.0 NeXTMail message from  
Mail to my LaserWriter II NT attached via LocalTalk to my Mac IIx. Yippee!

Of note, the national flags appeared only as grey boxes--I presume the  
PostScript code being used was NeXTSTEP proprietary extension based that just  
would not render on the LaserWriter. Bummer.

I would assume that to do the reverse (what you want) would entail the NeXT  
printer being published as an available Appletalk device. The cheapest and most  
elegant solution would be software based of course.

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Todd
An interesting note: Connecting the 2 machines up required MORE work on the  
Macintosh side in terms of the pieces of software required and the  
configuration needed to become operational. I found the NeXT implementation of  
this kind of Systems Integration to straightforward--kudos to the engineering  
team at NeXT responsible for the implementation.
--
David Williams -- dlw@atherton.com -- NeXTMail welcome
	          dlw@netcom.com   -- NeXTMail welcome 
					
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