HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert  Johnston)
Subject: Re: Lifestyle Choices (was  Re: Sexuality)
Reply-To: rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert  Johnston)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:53:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.234500.21163@anasazi.com> briand@anasazi.com (Brian Douglass) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec30.185545.26789@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
>>>
>[deleted stuff]
>>
>>>All people are asking is that unless you can come up with some
>>>*secular* reason for why their lifestyle choice is bad, you grant
>>>them the same rights they are willing to grant you: the right to
>>>live their life without persecution.
>
>Tell that to a smoker.  Clearly this is a lifestyle choice, and yet
>non-smokers have persecuted them out of most public places.  Why?  Because
>non-smokers find smoking offensive, smelly, and possibly dangerous to their
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   
>health.  But in this battle the rights of a clear minority, have had little
^^^^^^^^
>weight in comparison to the greater good of the public.  That is the rights
>of the majority have been deemed more important than the rights of a
>minority.  
>
How, pray tell, does discussion of homosexuality endanger your health?
I'm a little curious about this one.

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From: waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,soc.college
Subject: Re: Discrimination
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:52:21 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

jnomina@andy.bgsu.edu (A.P.K.) writes:

>      Hopefully, my predicament is fairly clear at this point.
> Is it considered sexual discrimination not to be hired on the
> grounds of having longer hair than is deemed appropriate?  Am
> I correct in asserting myself in such a manner, or should I
> conform to the standards of this society?  Couldn't it be
> considered a form of stereotyping that warrents such behavior
> against me on the mere grounds of length of hair?  I mean,
> I'd pass any drug test, I've nothing to hide.  I only grew my
> hair long again to avoid the temptation which just 15 years
> ago came from the opposite direction of HAVING longer hair.
> Well, any comments or such are obviously being solicited, so
> would be most welcome.
-----
I have no sage wisdom to offer on this subject-- but if I were given the 
choice of who I prefer making judgements based on my looks, I'd rather 
cut my hair and look clean cut to impress a potential employer rather 
than adjust my appearance just to keep college pukes from asking
me for drugs or to party.

It's easier to ignore the moronic judgements of college students with no
life experience and even less influence over my life than the opinion of 
the person hiring me for a job.

Todd
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From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Subject: Re: Columbus vs Indians (was Re: PC lives)
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:15:37 GMT

dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) writes:
>Actually, the reports I've read indicate that the missionairies were very
>concerned with the Indians, at least those who converted and were under
>their charge.  There are constant reports of their complaints to the king
>regarding ill-treatment of Indians by the civil authorities & armies.  Like
>missionaries- medical, spritual, teaching- everywhere, they seem to have taken
>the welfare of their people very seriously.

    Right, I chose my words poorly. I didn't mean to imply that the 
missionaries were oblivious or uncompassionate towards Indians, but 
unfortunately the task of collecting and recording census data was still 
beyond their capabilities. There are some regions like the Amazon basin 
for which accurate census data has never been collected even to this day.

--
Nathan Engle                        Software Juggler
Psychology Department               Indiana University
nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu      nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
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From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Sexuality
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:26:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1992Dec30.162502.6756@asl.dl.nec.com> dillhoff@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Doug Dillhoff) writes:
>
>Unlike heterosexuality, which is dictated by nature, homosexuality
>is a lifestyle choice and should not be presented as such to school
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>children.

    You shouldn't state opinions as if they were facts.  You cannot support
this, tons of het and gay folks disagree = opinion.
    As another poster said, humans are just another of the many animals for
some of whom homosexuality is normal and intrinsic.  Just because you don't
like it doesn't mean it isn't so.  Sorry.


-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
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From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Education Regarding Alternative Family Units (Re: The Analogy Betwixt Gays & Blacks (Re: Children in Same-gender Families))
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:23:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1992Dec30.171740.7835@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> wgb3@pyuxf.uucp (25336-buoni) writes:
>
>If one of my kids turns out gay he turns out gay.  When he reaches the age
>of 18 and leaves my home he may live as he chooses.  If he chooses to live
>a homosexual lifestyle I will still love him, but I will not accept his 
>behavior.  I'd have the same reaction if he decided to become entangled with 
>pornography or drugs.  If he decides to take the "easy way" out rather than
>dealing with his problems what can I do?  

    This paragraph is not consistent with your first sentence.  You are
right that if one of your kids turns out gay, that's the way it will be.
What would you then have him/her do - pretend/act like it's not true?  I
assume you want your kids to be true to themselves...
    And, btw, ask almost any gay person whether accepting themselves for
what they intrinsically are was an "easy way out".

-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
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From: triley@weber.ucsd.edu (Tristan Riley)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Showering in the Military (Re: Gays in the Military..what nobody is talking about: )
Date: 25 Dec 1992 05:01:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <1hdnmgINN7n@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>In article <1hdm8eINNdqs@hp-col.col.hp.com>, smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:
>|> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>|> > I thought I already said this, but just in case, I'll say it again.   I
>|> > will wait for authoritative figures.
>|> > What this group, which is still nameless, claims, may turn out to be
>|> > correct or it may not.   We'll see when the crime stats appear.
>|> 
>|> I think you're missing the point, Jon; the crime stats will never come 
>|> out on those numbers, 
>
>What point am I missing?    I know of no concept "Crime stats on those
>numbers".   All I know is that the police will produce crimes stats
>as they usually do, and then we will see what has been going on, or
>not going on, in Colorado.
>
forgive me for intruding into this dialogue, but i'm moved to point
out the obvious here--that is, that it is at least problematic to
assume that the "authoritative" stats compiled and distributed by
law enforcement offer the "truth" about how many hate crimes are
being committed while the figures offered by "partisan" groups are
much less accurate.  it is no secret that "official" stats on hate
crimes, domestic abuse, white collar crime, and quite a few other
categories are challenged frequently and often powerfully by
various "partisan" groups who see the police stats as underreported
due to systemic bias (and not conspiracy theories).

alexander






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From: jfw@rome.mti.sgi.com (john fergus wilkinson)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Lifestyle Choices (was  Re: Sexuality)
Date: 30 Dec 92 23:38:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Dec30.191743.7958@asl.dl.nec.com>, dillhoff@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Doug Dillhoff) writes:
|
|> 
|> All I am saying is that unless you can show me that homosexual sex
|> can create life (as the heterosexual sex act does) than it is an
|> un-natural act. Homosexual sex uses a human output device (waste
|> disposal) as an input device. This is not natural and therefore
|> should not be considered normal and should not be taught as an
|> alternate lifestyle. 
|> 
|> -- 

Gee, thanks for explaining that to me.  The same conclusion applies, I assume, to heterosexual sex when one partner is sterile, or to the use of condoms or diaphragms or the birth-control pills.
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From: mchenry@latech.edu (Michael Q. McHenry)
Subject: Re: Gays in the Military..what nobody is talking about:
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 22:45:47 GMT

In article <crb2.723223793@Ra.MsState.Edu> crb2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Chad R. Berthelson) writes:
>dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg) writes:
>
>>Excuse me, how can you get AIDS from someone just by you both being
>>naked and within 30 ft. of each other?  This has got to be one of the
>>most homophobic (literally) posts I have seen...)
>
>first your scenario is incomplete, in the military showers that I have
>taken (many, and you?) you are MUCH closer than 30 feet, it is in fact
>crowded and there is water running all over the place.  Are you going
>to suggest that if I have AIDS and wash myself in water and poor that 
>water over your broken-skinned feet (athletes foot..) you wouldn't
>be conserned?  

Not concerned in the least.  Zero.  NADA.

You ever sit in a public hot tub?  Maybe yes, maybe no. It is arguably
similar to your question and it is not inconveivable that an HIV+ 
victim has been in that water before.  Would you let the _unfounded_
fear of Aids keep you from enjoying something that you liked?  
I would be surprised if HIV could survive in hot tub water long 
enough to infect another human being and it was already mentioned
that showers are not very effiicient breeding grounds for HIV, so
what's the problem?  Lack of education and the resulting fear.

>               If you aren't then you need to rethink who you're calling
>ignorant.

Let's make a distinction.  AIDS-ignorant vs. OMNI-ignorant.  Placing
you in the first group would seem justifiable from your postings, but
this does not support the assumption that you fall into the second.
There are too many goddamn unjustifiable, illogical and weak
assumptions congesting the political air.  Assumptions just act as
catalyst to fear, and it is fear, IMO, that is everyone's true
enemy.


-- 
Quinn McHenry
mchenry@engr.latech.edu
Biomedical Engineering
Louisiana Tech University
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From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Justification for the Space Program
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<JMC.92Dec28192905@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Dec29.164827.13239@cs.rochester.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: 29 Dec 92 10:02:22

In article <1992Dec29.164827.13239@cs.rochester.edu> dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes:
   References: <1992Dec23.110509.22141@ke4zv.uucp> <1hobsgINN3b1@agate.berkeley.edu> <JMC.92Dec28192905@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
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   In article <JMC.92Dec28192905@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:

   > Let me add to the previous post the estimate that the total amount of
   > matter humanity has processed in its history is less than 10^12 tons.

   Some interesting facts:

   Estimated mass of manganese nodules on the ocean floors:  ~ 10^12 tons.

   Average concentration of metals in nodules (percent)

	   Element		World Average	Pacific Clarion-Clipperton Zone
	   --------------------------------------------------------------
	     Mn		   18.6			25.4
	     Fe		   12.47		 6.66
	     Ni		     .66		 1.27
	     Cu		     .45		 (not listed, > .45)
	     Co		     .27		 1.02


   World-wide, nodules are estimated to contain billions of tons of
   copper and nickel, and enough manganese to supply current mine demand
   for that element for roughly 10,000 years.  Additional sources of
   metals (such as copper and cobalt) are available as crusts on the sea
   floor, and in massive sulfides deposited at mid-ocean ridges and then
   carried away by plate motion.

	   Paul F. Dietz
	   dietz@cs.rochester.edu

Once we could dream that Howard Hughes had a project to harvest these
nodules.  Alas, it was only the CIA fishing for a Soviet submarine.
Apparently, one thing that prevents harvesting them is that lots
of countries want to regard them as common property and want to be
paid off by whoever actually does the harvesting.  Probably the main
reason why they aren't harvested is that there is no shortage of
metal ores at present.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

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From: popec@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (William C. Barwell)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,a
Subject: Re: Education Regarding Alternative Family Units (Re: The Analogy Be
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 05:15:31 GMT
Organization: Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX

dlhanson@nap.amoco.com (David L. Hanson) writes:

> "Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of
> evil against you falsely for My sake.  Rejoice and be glad, for great is
> your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before
> you."  Matthew 5:11-12	
> 
> Thank you for all the blessing, Mr. Barwell; you alone have greatly 
> increased my rewards in heaven. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ============================================================================
> David L. Hanson
> Naperville, IL
> 
> "He that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God
>  abideth on him." John 3:36


I don't think so bud.   Still don't get it, hunh?

Calling you down on wholesales slandering and hatemongering surely ain't 
gonna get you martyrdom brownie points in the non-existant hereafter.
If there is a hereafter, yer gonna have to pay for that sort a nonsense.


I just hope yer kids don't pick up such habits from you.

Pope Charles   SubGenius Pope Of Houston.   


--
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Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX, (713) 943-2728
After December 31, (713) 481-3763
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From: rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert  Johnston)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: using the bible to advance bigotry
Date: 3 Jan 93 23:23:38 GMT
Reply-To: rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert  Johnston)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <casivils.726097308@node_508ba> casivils@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (craig sivils) writes:
>In <C07DBw.1oE@math.uwaterloo.ca> shallit@graceland.uwaterloo.ca (Jeffrey Shallit) writes:
>
>Whats next, if we can be intolerant toward people for what the beleive but
>not what they do, whats next.
>
>Why is wrong to rob a grave, have sex with animals, children, would it be wrong
>to spike a pregnant mothers drink with RU42 (or whatever it is), why is
>blackmail wrong and taxation not?  Fact is that we have to make moral decisions
>and when it comes down to it, you have to assume something.  If I choose to 
>believe the Bible and find it to be a workable basis for me then why don't you
>practice some of that toleration
>
>                                 Craig
>
>Why ask why?

The reason that many tolerant people don't wish to accept your belief in
your bible is that your bible fosters intolerance. It is a misogynistic,
homophobic book. It preaches intolerance of all that do not believe in it.
Sometimes it does so rather directly, as with all the smiting that goes on 
in the old testament. Sometimes it is somewhat more subtle, as when saying
that non-believers will go to hell. Why should I put up with your belief
that I am inferior to a christian? If you don't believe that, then have
some backbone and reject the church.
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From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Justification for the Space Program
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Dec23.110509.22141@ke4zv.uucp> <1hobsgINN3b1@agate.berkeley.edu>
Distribution: usa, world
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:29:05

Let me add to the previous post the estimate that the total amount of
matter humanity has processed in its history is less than 10^12 tons.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

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From: jnomina@andy.bgsu.edu (A.P.K.)
Subject: Re: Showering in the Military (Re: Gays in the Military..what nobody is talking about: )
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:56:27 GMT

livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
> In article <Bzn89s.87y@andy.bgsu.edu>, jnomina@andy.bgsu.edu (A.P.K.) writes:
> |> rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert  Johnston) writes:
> |> > 
> |> > There is NO reason, other than bigotry, to keep homosexuals out of
> |> > the military. The question of showering and rooming together is 
> |> > quite irrelevant. Do you think that there aren't gays in the military 
> |> > now? How many soldiers do you think have been approached  sexually,
> |> > in a harassing manner, by another man in the shower? I'll bet you can't 
> |> > think of even one case.
> |> 
> |> While I'm not in on this discussion directly, I was a non-com in
> |> the army, and I COULD cite a few cases of such behavior, if you
> |> REALLY wanted me to, from not-too-distant experience.  One of my
> |> OWN privates once came to me with this very same problem once.
> |> Infrequent?  Probably.  Doesn't happen?  Not on your life...
> 
> If you know of such a case, you must have reported it, otherwise you
> would have been in deriliction of duty, no?

No.  That's the nice thing about gaining a little rank, having
a little (just a little) personal autonomy in the structure of
the military.  Such cases don't always have to be reported, if
they're acted upon in a responsible manner by whomever happens
to become knowledgable of the situation.  [Note, however, that
if an NCO _does_ take charge of handling a potential trouble spot,
and screws it up, and gets caught for screwing it up, the $#!+ is
really going to hit the fan, and the NCO will become the responsible
party.]  Did I report it, or take personal action on it?  I
handled the situation myself.

> 
> So what happened?   Was the person punished?

What ultimately happened was between four people, myself, the
two parties in question, and the NCO in charge of the perpetrator.
And as per agreement between the four parties, it ended there.
So I'm not at liberty to elaborate on the details in any way
way, other than to be able to let you know that the perpetrator
was punished in a fair manner at the lowest level we could keep
things at.  [Punishment in the military is supposed to be fair,
swift, and as private as possible.]

Jim
From: rovero@skye.oc.nps.navy.mil (Josh Rovero)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Space program necessary
Keywords: "We have the technology."  - St. Hera of the Incarnate Mind
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:04:30 GMT
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School,Monterey CA

I'd rather seen the money spent on good science in space than questionable
pork (good politics) in the districts of powerful legislators.

Missions to Mars, etc .... GOOD
Mission to Arkansas   .... not so good

Unfortunately, I think we will see more of the latter for the next few
years.

Wonder of wonders, Norm LaFave and I have some manner of agreement on this
issue.

-- 
Josh Rovero   (rovero@oc.nps.navy.mil) | or Internet 5346p@cc.nps.navy.mil 
Department of Oceanography, Code OC/Rv |      Bitnet 5346p@NAVPGS 
Naval Postgraduate School              |              
Monterey, CA  93943   (408) 646-2084   |
From: zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Rush on Donahue
Date: 27 Dec 92 04:25:37 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Don Wiggins (wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: cc774@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert M Connelly) writes:

: just something fascinating about anything that painful.  What ever
: possessed Rush to wander into that lair is beyond me, but I imagine
: that he just couldn't pass up the opportunity to introduce a little
: common sense to the circus.

Try free publicity...


John
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