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From: hsd@swl.msd.ray.com (HERBERT DASILVA)
Subject: Re: Top 20 Selling Vehicles of 1992
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:35:46 GMT

hsd@swl.msd.ray.com (HERBERT DASILVA) writes:

>  3. Honda Accord		This is the list of top 20 sales of
>  6. Toyota Camry		The Globe lists their source as
> 11. Honda Civic
> 14. Toyota Corolla
> 18. Toyota pickup

>  4 out of the 20 are Japanese imports, the others are domestic.

>	Herb "Mopar Maniac" DaSilva

  OK, OK, before the beatings begin, it's obvious that there are 5, not 4
  Japanese imports in the top 20, so just save the flames, OK?  :-)

	Herb "Mopar Maniac" DaSilva
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: klui@corp.hp.com (Kenneth K.F. Lui)
Subject: Re: Top 20 Selling Vehicles of 1992
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:04:45 GMT

In article <Bx9s0H.K9r@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:
>  Well, *actually* the Accord, Camry, and Corolla are each made in various US
>  plants.  The Accord in Marysville, Ohio, the Camry in Georgetowne, Ky, and
>  the Corolla in CA.

These cars are assembled in the US, but I'll bet many of its
parts are manufactured in Japan (I don't think the seats, the
stereo, windshield wipers, the ECU, etc are manufactured by an
American company).  These Japanese cars that are qualified as
"made in the USA" is just a technicality, IMHO.


Ken
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From: bigmac@nmr.ion.bpmf.ac.uk (David MacManus)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Hillman Husky
Keywords: spare parts
Date: 13 Nov 92 08:02:04 GMT
Reply-To: bigmac@nmr.ion.bpmf.ac.uk
Organization: Institute of Neurology NMR Research Group, London, UK.


	I have a friend in the US who owns a 1960 series 1 (2 door)
	Hillman Husky and is having problems finding spare parts.
	Can anyone help/suggest a contact, preferably in the US.
	Thanks
	Dave MacManus
_______________________________________________________________________________________
	d.macmanus@nmr.ion.bpmf.ac.uk		Institute of Neurology
						Queen Square
						London WC1N 3BG
						UK
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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: highly desirable cars not sold in the US (was INFFINITI vs BMW
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 18:57:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.164652.27209@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou) writes:
>TVR Griffin
>Caterham Super 7
>Renault Clio
>Aston MArtin Vantage
>Alfa Romeo SZ (tastefully ugly)
>Toyota Aristo

and of course the Jaguar XJ220 (219 mph) $750K

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ca@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (christopher.arnone)
Subject: Re: New Car Paint Care
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:22:29 GMT
Summary: Its simple.....
Keywords: paint wax new

In article <1de28dINN7qc@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, ebergman@phaedrus.East.Sun.COM (Eric Bergman) writes:
> I am picking up my first ever new car today.
> 
> I have heard two contrary things about new car paint care.  
> Most people have told me that I should wash and wax the car 
> IMMEDIATELY, while a few have said that new car paint should 
> cure for a few months, and that it is bad for the paint to be 
> waxed in the first 3 or 4 months after manufacture.   
> 
> Given that winter is coming up here in the Boston area, the 
> right decision is important, and in the absence of any definitive
> answer I am inclined to go ahead and wax it.  
>    
> Anybody know about this?  
> 
	Don't panic.  The simple answer is that you should wax your car when the
current coat of wax wears off.  Your dealer (assuming he preps the car
correctly) will put a coat of VERY LIGHT NON-ABRASIVE wax on your car before
you get it.  When you get it, squirt it with a hose.  If the water doesn't bead,
take it back to the dealer because he hasn't prepped it correctly.  When the
water stops beading, wax the car.  Fall and springtime offers the best weather
for this job.  Its most likely that the light wax will be there and last through
the winter for you.

Chris
From: siqif@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Siqi Fan)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:50:36 GMT
Subject: Re: TAURUS SHO - Opinions Please?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

I will go for a Nisson Maxima SE sports sadan which suppose to be much
more reliable!
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: AUTOMATICS CAN BE NICE! (Was Re: FLAME
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 04:36:25 GMT



I was about to post instructions on double-clutching.

I will post the instructions eventually.

Torque Monger
From: ebuhwe@ebu.ericsson.se (Per Harwe)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: shoud there be two different licences
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:39:15 GMT
Reply-To: ebuhwe@ebu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Business Communications, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 315@news.cso.uiuc.edu, mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!) writes:
>
>	Snow - Should people visiting Chicago from California be allowed to 
>		drive in December?

How many days of snow have you had in Chicago this season? We've already had
a few, and those of us who want to sharpen our snow driving skills have already
had the chance out here in the west.

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From: fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou)
Subject: Honda to move HQ to US
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:54:47 GMT

According to a recent issue of Autocar & Motor, Honda president said that 
because Honda has its biggest operations in US (Honda sells more cars in US
than in Japan), it is inevitible that Honda moves its headquaters to US.

Now an interesting thought.  Does that mean Honda is as American as, say, Ford?
and we can all go buy Honda and proudly say "we are buying American"?  Well,
the name sounds a bit foreign.  But doesn't the helicopter giant Sikorsky
sound a bit foreign, too?

Any comment?
From: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com (Bob Haar)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: saturn/OLDs speculation
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:30:01 GMT
Reply-To: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com
Organization: G.M. Research and Environmental Staff

In article 10365@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:
|>nbucknor@rpwmadhu.gmr.com (Norman Bucknor) writes:
|>
|>>As usual on the internet, a little information is offered with a little
|>>misinterpretation and before you know it, it's the gospel truth. There
|>>is no plan to merge Saturn with Olds. What has been said by Olds division
|>>head John Rock is that he wants to pattern Olds on the Saturn model and
|>>make it more like Saturn. I think the ultimate aim (at least with the
|>>current thinking, which is constantly evolving) is to make Olds a division
|>>which will be attractive to Saturn buyers when they want to move up to
|>>a bigger car (this also means that Olds' car lines will also move away
|>>from the way they are positioned now in terms of size and styling). You can
|>>certainly argue whether or not this will be a successful strategy. All of
|>>this is public knowledge by the way (e.g., read this week's TIME magazine).
|>
|>It has also been reported in the WSJ that GM will ax two divisions.
|>Frankly, I don't care what John Rock says about Olds, because it
|>seems likely to me that it would be his division to merge with Saturn
|>if there is indeed any merging to be done.
|>

There is some confusion here. GM has announced that the platform 
engineering groups are reorganized from 6 to 4. The platform engineering
groups are internal organization only, and have little relationship 
to the nameplate lines such as Oldsmobile. For example,
the J/N/L cars are done by a single engineering group (as of last week),
but are sold by Chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick and Olsmobile.

But when people outside the industry here about the six to
four reorganization, they, too often, think this refers to the
six nameplate lines. Thins have not been that simple
since Roger Smith eliminated Fisher Body and formed CPC and BOC.


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From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Annoying film on windshield
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:51:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

>This film is from the vinyl in the car *gassing* (sp?). Basically the vinyl
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 No it's not. It's simply pollutants in the air being deposited on the glass.
 It's much worse in larger metropolitan areas than in rural areas or if a 
 lot of cigarettes have been smoked in the car. 

>is slowly drying up (that's why they make amor-al, etc...) and the byproducts
>end up on your windows, new cars are worse than older/used ones.
>
The vinyl products do slowly dry out but the main thing that causes them to
deteriorate is oxidation. In larger cities, pay attention to the TV weather
reports and they'll announce "pollution reports" mentioning ozone content of
the air. This is not the ozone in the "ozone layer" high in the atmoshpere,
but the amount of ozone near the ground. Ozone attacks vinyl plastics and is
the prime oxidant responsible for their "drying out". The liquid spooge
vinyl protectant products just give the ozone (and other airborne oxidants like
NO, N2O4, NO2, etc.) something to eat in lieu of the vinyl plus they are
supposed to give some degree of protection from ultraviolet light which also
splits molecular bonds in the vinyl.

Any good glass cleaner should be able to get this film off the glass. If
heavy cigarette (or other substances :-) ) smoking has been done in the car,
you might try "409". It'll cut through just about crud on the glass.
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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: highly desirable cars not sold in the US (was INFFINITI vs BMW
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 08:36:17 GMT


nissan skyline GT-R
bmw Z1
ford sierra cosworth (sapphire, RS, RS500, etc)
opel calibra (beautiful car)

didn't honda cancel production of the beat?
-teddy
From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:24:19 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:


>In a previous article, mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!) says:


>>Find a mid-1970's Euro-spec BMW 3.0CSi.  Tip gently into the throttle and slow-
>>ly release the clutch.  Accelerate moderately to 3000 RPM in first gear.  Stand
>>on it.  That smoke in your rear-view mirror ain't oil.  Let the tires catch,
>>accelerate to redline, shift into second.  Stand on it.  Is that smoke again?
>>I think so.
>wonderful example..hadda leave it..even though, again..spinning tires is a
>deceptive measure of performance...

I never said anything about power (BTW above BMW pulls 230-240 bhp from a 3L
sohc I-6, 0-60 in low 7's); I was referring to other things that are MORE
fun than the *HARD* automatic shift.  But the car DOES perform.....

>enuff of this..you drive what you want..i'll drive what i want..and we can
>both feel pity for the other "fool" who simply cannot see what fun it is
>to do it our way!

Sounds to me like we're in agreement on what's fun though....
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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: How well does GALVANIZED STEEL prevent RUST?
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:09:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <BxK5Cw.M09@chinet.chi.il.us> drt@chinet.chi.il.us (Donald Tveter) writes:
>I'm likely to get a new car soon (likely a Chevy Corsica) with
>galvanized (zinc plated) body panels.  GM guarantees the body panels
>won't rust thru for 6 years or 100,000 miles.  However, if all goes
>according to plan I hope the car will last 20 years and about 75,000
>miles.
>
>So now, how good is their galvanized steel?  Can anyone report any rust?
>
>Should I go farther and get more rust-proofing, say from Ziebart or the
>like?  If I get this extra rust-proofing are these people smart enough
>to remove road salt first and then let the car dry before applying the
>undercoat?  Can I wait until after the salt season to undercoat?
>Should I wait until after the salt season to buy?
>
>Don Tveter

i thought we were past the days of snake-oil rustproofing.  rustproofing is a
waste and often clogs normal drain passages and voids your new car warranty and
causes rust.  just buy the car and enjoy it and don't worry about rust.
From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:39:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Italian Car Mailing list ??
Organization: HP Singapore
Newsgroups: rec.autos

In rec.autos, sgupta@pint.ecn.purdue.edu (Sameer Gupta) writes:

|How does one sign up for the italian car mailing list.  I sent a request to
|the address in the FAQ last week, but have not received any mail yet.
|
|address in FAQ - italian-cars-request@cabot.balltown.cam.com
						      ^^^
|
|If this address is incorrect, please send me the correct address.
|
|Thanks,
|
|Sameer Gupta
|sgupta@ecn

Try changing "cam" to "cma" or italian-cars-request@balltown.cma.com instead.

good luck
lawrence
From: ggg@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Gary Goodlund)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:57:07 GMT
Subject: Re: buyinng a used BMW 325
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

  The Ford Probe is built in Flat Rock, Michigan in a plant that produces 
both the Probe and the Mazda MX-6 on the same platform.  I'm not sure just
how much of the two cars is interchangeable but it is a joint project between
Ford and Mazda.
  Part of what you need to decide is which you prefer-front or rear wheel
drive.  Maybe it doesn't matter to you but there is a distinct difference in 
the way the two cars drive.  You should be able to find a pretty decent 325
in the $15K to $18K range from '85 to maybe '88 (at least in N.Cal.).

    Good Hunting,
       Gary
From: harling@miki.pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:35:41 GMT
Organization: PictureTel Corporation

In article <1992Nov10.233727.11527@syacus.acus.oz.au> steven@syacus.acus.oz.au (Steven Malikoff) writes:
>A question for those who drive automatics: Have you *ever* seen a racing
>car (F1, Indy, Stock, Rally, etc.) that has an auto transmission?

Many, many, *many* cars set up for "acceleration trials" (e.g., the
quarter-mile) use automatic transmissions.  Even if the car came with a
manual transmission, some folks will remove it in favor of an automatic
transmission.  Why would they go through all that trouble to install an
automatic transmission?  Because an automatic can be set up to shift at
a consistent point every time (which any racer will acknowledge as the
key to success), and because engine power can be transmitted to the
drive wheels without interruption, and with little chance of missing a
shift and scattering little bits of transmission all over the track.
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
From: eabu288@orion.oac.uci.edu (Alvin Chiu-Wen Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 1993 BMW 325is
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:21:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.2B0035F7.18050
Organization: University of California, Irvine

Does anyone have any information on the 1993 BMW 325is?  I am getting one soon but I don't know when the new cars will arrive and the price.  Would someone pleae supply some information.
thanks in advance.
From: walkerr@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Robert A Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ethanol blended gasoline
Date: 5 Nov 1992 04:43:27 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu


>With regard to pollution problems:  taking just *one* circa 1970
>car with bad emissions off the road is equivalent to removing
>*ten* newer cars from the highways.  In my opinion, we should 
>concentrate first on fixing/removing those autos that pollute the most.
>
>Just my $1.19/gallon worth :-).

	Taking cars off the road just because they are old, why.  Do you
want to take away the cars that people need, some people can't just go out
and buy a newer car.  Besides, what about people who like to restore old
cars and drive them, were to they go, to hell.  I personally wouldn't
drive any newer cars by choice, maybe in the future i might be driven
by practicality but new cars suck.  Give me a big old boat with a big over
bored over stroked engine pushing 600 horse power, and I'm happy.  Besides
any old car that is kept in decent condition has almost no emissions anyway.
At least on an old car if the emissions is screwed up, all you have to do
is turn a screw and your problems are all set.  On these new engines that
are so complicated you need all the computers at MIT to figure out what is
wrong with it.  Well that is my blab about why i like older cars and if you
don't like it, then tough.
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 89 Ford Taurus chronic stalling problem
Date: 13 Nov 1992 00:09:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) says:

>Pierre,
>
>I tried to send email to your address but it bounced,
>I'm sorry but I had  to post my reply here, I hope you see it.
>
>Basil
>
>
>Bien le bonjour Pierre,
>
>Je voudrais te remercier pour ta reponse dans rec.autos. 
>Le fait que tu a eu le me^me probleme avec une Ford 89 Tempo,
>sugge`re que mon probleme est effectivement dans la pompe d'huile.
>Je ne crois pas qu'il serait possible, que mon probleme soit
>autre part d'autant que les symptomes sont exactement pareils.
>J'ai juste une autre question, est-ce que tu pourrais savoir
>dans la garantie de ta nouvelle pompe, quel est le nom
>du programme sous lequel Ford a paye pour le remplacement de 
>la pompe.
>
>Merci d'avance,
>
>Cordialement,
>
>Basil Hamdan
>
>P.S. Excuse mon francais, je ne l'est pas utilise' depuis huit ans,
>mais j'essaye.
>

i think your french sux too!..( BIG :-) for those of us..)..
maybe cuz i can't read it..i dunno.. (another BIG :-) again..for 
those of us...)
DREW
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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Saturn Polymer Side Panels - How tough ??
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:12:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.145458.29662@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:
>mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:
>
>>> bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:
>
>>>What do you expect from him anyway?  He's in the ME school at Purdue.
>>>I did my undergrad in the Aero school there, and I know what those
>>>ME guys are like, I roomed with one.  They barely teach those guys
>>>statics.  Bwahahahahahahahaha!  Flame away, Mike!  Stick to thermo!
>>>(God, I hated ME200 so much, I took it twice.)
>>
>>At least I will have a job when I graduate...
>
>Don't count on it.  You may have to consider grad school at some other
>TOP TEN university.  Oh, I forgot, you'll be going back to Gary.
>I feel bad for you.  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
>
>Regards,
>
>Brian
>

	Wow, its funny to watch two students from fairly second tier 
engineering schools fight it out.  The point is moot, boys, UIUC kicks your
collective butts in both football and engineering!  Thanks for the opportunity!

			The University Of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Underdrive pullys - Any experiences?
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:59:04 GMT
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) says:

>What the question we were discussing:  Why do I see the same output
>at idle or cruise power, and would an underdrive pulley set necessarily
>create too little power to run the engine and charge a battery?
>
>We concluded only that the alternator was producing excess power at idle,
>and so it was possible that an underdrive pulley set wouldn't be a problem.

my thoughts..(just that..thoughts) in today's world of performanc minded
economists, the pulleys are probably designed with just enuff margin to 
keep the things going until warentee is up..but i think that, probably,
in most of the modern cars, the pulleys are NOT going to benefit, because,
if they could, the manufactureres would already be using this little trick..
or, while they may improve power, they might cause reliability problems..
i do not see a simple pully change as beinga viable option on today's motor
because, like i said, the manufacturers would already have the system on 
it's performance edge(or as close as the can get and keep them waranteed)
of course, i've heard promotors..and antagonitsts...but..i guess it's up 
to you..but..this is my OPINION on the matter..
DREW
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