HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: preiser@cancer.unm.edu (Doug Preiser)
Subject: Re: Spiritual Guides and more
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 18:02:43 GMT
Organization: UNM Cancer Center
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: preiser@cancer.unm.edu

In article <1992Oct6.142858.825@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, toma@hyperion.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tom Atwater) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.121020.1301@Princeton.EDU> bathurst@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Bruce Bathurst) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct5.212047.1599@m.cs.uiuc.edu> mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>>>In article <1aq0r6INNi64@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes:
>>>|> The second body is a vibration that is at a higher level then electromagnetic
>>>|> vibrations. 
>>>What is vibrating?  What "level" is EM vibrations at and what "level" is
>>>the second body at?  In what sense is one "level" "higher" than another,
>>>and how do you know?
>>
>>First I'd like to say that I'm not into this stuff; in fact, I'm an
>>operationalist (science without metaphysics).
>>
>>Your questions, however, are inappropriately intellectual in a group that
>>relies on experience and feeling.  The confusion exists because of their
>>use of scientific vocabulary and extensive metaphysics.  (I guess one can
>>call it that.)
>
>I strongly disagree with this.
>
>Up until now, science has not admitted that 'experience and feeling'
>is a valid way to get information.

Sure it is. We just need a way to quantify it.

>That is beginning to change, and this will accelerate, I believe.
>
>Questions like those above are the way we find out things -- not by closing
>our minds and saying things like 'I can't prove it in the lab, so
>it can't be science' (and by inference has little value).

One of the most important rules in science is: Lack of evidence is not proof.
Just because you can't prove it doesn't mean it isn't true.

>
>It is the very definition of science and the scientific method that
>needs to change.


I think science will serve us very well.  What we need to do is develop ways
of describing our experiences that are analyzable.

The scientific method simply provides us with a good way of investigating
whatever phemonena we happen to be interested in.

>
>In the future, intellect *and* intuition ('feeling') will be more balanced,
>in science as well as other facets of life experience -- and not unbalanced
>toward the intellectual and 'rational' as it is now.
>

Without intuition, science would have gone nowhere.  Many is the time a
scientist has thought, "I think this is true, but I don't have any evidence for
it."   So, following the scientific method we say: Let's assume its true, what
should follow from that.  That's when the experiments start.  If the results of
your experiments support your initial hypothesis you start to say, "Well, it
looks like that really is true."

>Whatever you think of my opinions or anyone else's, you have no right
>to call discussions like the above 'inappropriate' for this newsgroup.

Good oobe's,
Doug.
   Internet: preiser@cancer.unm.edu
   Bitnet:   preiser@unmb                     I do M
Newsgroups: alt.oobe,alt.out-of-body
From: gst@spdcc.com (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: alt.oobe to be destroyed
Summary: I blew it!
Reply-To: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:52:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.185230.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> sphillip01@cc.curtin.edu.au
	writes:
> In article <1992Oct1.083452.17601@gnosys.svle.ma.us>, gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
	(me) writes:

> > Well, I think we're about at the point where alt.out-of-body can safely
> > be destroyed.  ...
> 
> Awwwww, but it's only just been created !!! :)

Oops.  I meant to say alt.oobe is about to be destroyed, as indicated in the
subject line of my article.  Sorry to give everyone a scare.  I expect to
send out the control message in another 10-12 hours.

Gary
-- 
    Gary S. Trujillo                             gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts               {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
Newsgroups: alt.oobe
From: tvos@ais.org (David A Warner)
Subject: Machine Or The Self
Summary: The Machine Or The Self
Organization: UMCC
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 08:56:54 GMT

t interesting that a machine could possibly help one self
to leave their body, but I feel if someone can learn to leave their
bodyies at will maybe there's more to it and reasons behind all...

And would a machine actually acomplish such a task like that?, well from
my own numerous experiences, I tried crystals, pyramids, magic, and the
bottom is the self and not putting your faith, trust into something 
a security or comfort.. Don't get me wrong, if it helpss please do
what you must, but for my own behalf I've been there and I learned
the trick of leaving thru trial and error which would feel right
and not based on a machine..

Another thing about Opra or Joan, don't believe everything you 
watch on Tv because the shows always try to captivate illusions to
attract attention.............


The Voice Of Silence


P.s.... plus it's more of a challenge leaving your body than
        using a easy escape of materialistic machines..
:
:wq
whoops......


Newsgroups: alt.oobe,alt.out-of-body
From: sphillip01@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: alt.oobe to be destroyed
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 09:52:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.083452.17601@gnosys.svle.ma.us>, gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo) writes:
> Well, I think we're about at the point where alt.out-of-body can safely
> be destroyed.  ...
[rest deleted]

Awwwww, but it's only just been created !!! :)
From: tvos@ais.org (David A Warner)
Subject: Vibrations
Summary: Vibrations Between Bodyies.
Organization: UMCC
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:38:45 GMT

Here goes.............


When I first started projections, I did not have the pleasure to induce
a projection thru vibrations, they seem for some reason to magically 
happen... Actually, I was using the hypnotic state, catching myself when I
fall asleep being really lucky at this for a first timer..


The vibrations didn't hit me until about a 1/2yr later when I was over
my friends house, and Yes it scared the hell out of me. Now, I do get the
vibs
more often than before, I'd say it's a good key to reconize that
your on the way... They can be very scary, driving someone far away
from experiencing beauty when you reach the other side...Then again, life
itself
has beauty when you work hard, then your dreams become your hard work.....

Maybe the same applies........

The way I see it, your exiting from one body to another, merging with energy
thats all around... The astralplane is just energy nothing else, just pure
energy, so we'll antenna's picking up on this as we pass over to the other
side...............

I'd say the best bet iss cope with vibrations, learn to control them, read
books about ( The serpent of fire..Lord Kundalini based on Theosophy >..

=[|After leaving my body thousands of times, I still get the vibbs, nervous
etc

but you have to pay the price to view the step close to paradise...


The Voice Of Silence

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From: gst@spdcc.com (Gary S. Trujillo)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe,alt.out-of-body
Subject: alt.oobe destruction is underway!
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:20:02 GMT
Reply-To: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting

The control message to destroy the alt.oobe newsgroup was sent out earlier
today, and should currently be travelling the network.  Please cease cross-
posting to alt.oobe, as that name has been aliased to alt.out-of-body at
many sites, so posting to it will result in double-postings to alt.out-of-body.

Thanks.

Gary
-- 
    Gary S. Trujillo                             gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts               {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
Newsgroups: alt.oobe,alt.out-of-body
From: bathurst@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Bruce Bathurst)
Subject: Re: Spiritual Guides and more
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:10:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.212047.1599@m.cs.uiuc.edu> mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>In article <1aq0r6INNi64@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes:
>|> The second body is a vibration that is at a higher level then electromagnetic
>|> vibrations. 
>What is vibrating?  What "level" is EM vibrations at and what "level" is
>the second body at?  In what sense is one "level" "higher" than another,
>and how do you know?

First I'd like to say that I'm not into this stuff; in fact, I'm an
operationalist (science without metaphysics).

Your questions, however, are inappropriately intellectual in a group that
relies on experience and feeling.  The confusion exists because of their
use of scientific vocabulary and extensive metaphysics.  (I guess one can
call it that.)

I find it interesting that most of my friends (from many professions)
often have experiences that are classically termed psychic.  It is my
opinion that such people have a common aspect of personality.  (None,
however, wears a pyramid or quartz crystal.)

Whether such experiences are physiological, neurological, religious, or
metaphysical seems irrelevant.  What matters, ultimately, is how they
affect an individual.

Bruce
-- 
Department of Geological and Geophysical Sciences
Princeton University, Princeton, NJ 08544
bathurst@phoenix.princeton.edu bathurst@pucc.bitnet !princeton!phoenix!bathurst
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: Spiritual Guides and more
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:20:47 GMT

In article <1aq0r6INNi64@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes:
|> The second body is a vibration that is at a higher level then electromagnetic
|> vibrations. 
What is vibrating?  What "level" is EM vibrations at and what "level" is
the second body at?  In what sense is one "level" "higher" than another,
and how do you know?

|> You will not be able to detect it with normal devices used to
|> measure electromagnetic energy. 
Very true.

|> You may be able to measure the effects of the
|> second body on some materials like you can measure the effects of pyramid power.
You may be right.  Just how do you measure "pyramid power"?

|> Ever person has a spiritual guide called your Overself. You may call upon your
|> Overself to aid in your development. There are also guides among us to help
|> answer questions in a more direct manner.
Oh yes?  And how do you know this?

|> At this time there are many ancient souls returning to the earth. The ability
|> to out of body and much more were a gift to us that all people used during
|> the time of the ancients. Most of this ability was lost after the great
|> destruction.
Oh yes?  Evidence?

|> All things are vibration and as such are recorded on the Alkasia record.
Vibration of what?  What is "the  Alkasia record"?   Who recorded it?  Where
did they get their information?  Has it been independently verified?

|> With
|> proper training you can access these records during oob to review the things
|> that happened before.
What training is this?  What things can be reviewed?

|> Start by reading the book "The Third Eye" by T.L. Rampa.
This sounds like a bunch of mystic mumbo-jumbo.  Why should I pay more
attention to this rather than to the 100's of other folks with similar
unsubstantiated theories about second bodies?

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
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From: dali@milton.u.washington.edu (David A. Lee)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe,alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Spiritual Guides and more
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:04:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1aq0r6INNi64@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes:
>The second body is a vibration that is at a higher level then electromagnetic
>vibrations. You will not be able to detect it with normal devices used to
>measure electromagnetic energy. You may be able to measure the effects of the
>second body on some materials like you can measure the effects of pyramid power.
>
>Ever person has a spiritual guide called your Overself. You may call upon your
>Overself to aid in your development. There are also guides among us to help
>answer questions in a more direct manner.
>
>At this time there are many ancient souls returning to the earth. The ability
>to out of body and much more were a gift to us that all people used during
>the time of the ancients. Most of this ability was lost after the great
>destruction.
>
>All things are vibration and as such are recorded on the Alkasia record. With
>proper training you can access these records during oob to review the things
>that happened before.
>
>Start by reading the book "The Third Eye" by T.L. Rampa.
>
>dano:

Sounds like someone has been reading a little too much Robert Monroe!
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From: oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham)
Newsgroups: alt.oobe,alt.out-of-body
Subject: Spiritual Guides and more
Date: 5 Oct 1992 18:17:10 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: king.ces.cwru.edu

The second body is a vibration that is at a higher level then electromagnetic
vibrations. You will not be able to detect it with normal devices used to
measure electromagnetic energy. You may be able to measure the effects of the
second body on some materials like you can measure the effects of pyramid power.

Ever person has a spiritual guide called your Overself. You may call upon your
Overself to aid in your development. There are also guides among us to help
answer questions in a more direct manner.

At this time there are many ancient souls returning to the earth. The ability
to out of body and much more were a gift to us that all people used during
the time of the ancients. Most of this ability was lost after the great
destruction.

All things are vibration and as such are recorded on the Alkasia record. With
proper training you can access these records during oob to review the things
that happened before.

Start by reading the book "The Third Eye" by T.L. Rampa.

dano:
From: dcox@burner.com (Dave Cox)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Fairy Pix
Date: 2 Oct 92 06:35:21 GMT
Organization: The Back Burner BBS (via C-Net Amiga)

Dang, I cant remember the name of the book, but i had found it and it was a hardcover. It was most into ufo's, but had a few things on the supernatural. It had about 3 reproductions of these shots... Dang, wish I could help more.
Yea, it really caused a stir fer quite a few years till the one told all after something like 20 years....

fuzzy

--- Via UCI v1.12 (C-Net Amiga)

 Fuzzy, The Picnic'er!
Dave Cox (Fuzzy) From High Atop The Rocky Mountains!
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: mt@space.mit.edu (Mary Terhune)
Subject: UFO Conference in Berkeley
Originator: mt@gefera
Reply-To: mt@space.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Center for Space Research
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:00:49 GMT

Sorry I missed the posting re: UFO Conference in
Berkeley....could someone forward it to me
on email:  mt@space.mit.edu

Thanks,
Mary
From: kathyo@meltdown.chi.il.us (Jacky Rainer)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Halloween
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:43:46 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

Ok here goes.

To question 1.: The translation I am familior with is All Halo's Eve.  Meaning
the day before the Holyest day of the year.

2.: In my area I have heard of one story, true or not, that has to do with
Holloween.  The story is that back in the 1930 a car broke down on Archer ave.,
Rt. 171 in Willow Spring (this is in northern Il.) in an area that is heavely
forested.  The young driver and his girlfriend sat pationtly in the car hoping
for help from a passing car until it become dark.  Since no help had appeared
the young man took it upon himself to set off on foot to fined some.  He told
his girlfriend that he would be back as soon as he could find help and for her
to remain with the car.  The girlfriend became a little frightened after he
left and locked the car.  She then curled up under a blanket and feel asleep.
    After a few hours she woke to the sound of scrapeing on the roof of the
car.  Assuming it was a tree branch, and since it was still dark she went back
to sleep.  She was awoken a second time at dawn by a rapping on the car window.
 Two police officers motioned for her to exit the car, which she did.
No sooner had she doen so the one of the officers told her to not turn around.
Well like most people she did.  Only to find that the scrapeing that she
thought was a tree was the tips of the shoes on her boyfriends feet, who had
been hug just over the car.
    Well the way the ledgen go, is that if you drive down 171 on holloween at
midnight ( the time he supposible died ) that you will see the ghostly image of
a car parked on the side of the road and over it a body of a man hanging from a
tree.

3. : Answer to this one is a big yes.  On holloween 1979, wile very pregnant
with my son I saw a rather frightening vision of a young women holding a baby.
     I was out sitting on my porch watching my dog late at night. When out of
nowhere appeared this misty form of a young women holding a baby.  She
aprouched me then held out the child to me and said " Your baby" and
disappeared.
     The next day wile caring laundry down the stairs I feel and nearly
miscared.  I spent the next 2 weeks in bed until the doctor felt my son was
developed enough to servive.  All I can figure was that the young women was
trying to warn me.

                                                        Lady Hawk
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors,alt.mindcontrol
From: acarstea@icaen.uiowa.edu (Alin-Andrei Carsteanu)
Subject: Re: Matrix III Review
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 02:10:17 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

In article <1992Sep16.024109.15620@ecst.csuchico.edu> Beverly Taylor <BTAYLOR@MACGATE.CSUCHICO.EDU> writes:
>In article <1992Sep15.193852.21152@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> Free
>Radical, rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu writes:
>>>I SECOND THAT!   MY TRUTH (AND I EMPHASIZE "MY TRUTH") IS THAT WE CREATE
>>>OUR OWN REALITY.  
>>
>>Beverly - I sorta wish your reality included lowercase letters.  All
>>this shouting is annoying.
>>
>>	RA
>>
>>rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu
>
>RA -- My apologies.  I did not mean to shout.  I'm still learning the
>etiquette on usenet.  I realize that now that capitals denote an emphasis
>that I was not intending to make.  I was trying to make my response
>readable after all the other text.  Patience, I'm learning.
>
>-- Bev

You don't need to apologize to people for upper cases. No one can shout 
in writing. Now, that people sometimes create their own realities... and
hear you shouting... that you have to accept! :-)
The oh-so-touchy and oh-so-polite and oh-so-etc. people on the internet
have created things like _word-to-be-emphasized_ in order to prevent
their oh-so-sensitive eyes being stressed by contiguous upper cases.
But: there is no such thing as underscoring a blank in English, it only
comes from computer languages, so nobody should try to enforce it, in
my opinion. And: I would ask _those_ oh-so-culture-loving guys on the net,
how the heck have English-language writers managed to create very ex-
pressive works without facilities like empty underscores, "smilies" (like
the one I've used at the end of the above paragraph...) to make sure the  
readers know where they should smile and where they shouldn't...?

	Alin
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: Why is it....
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:49:46 +0000

ueh@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Eric Hausgaard) writes..

>Why is it that everytime I read this newsgroup, I get watery-eyed and
>the hairs on the back of my neck raise up. and I get goosepimples
>too???

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that you like to read it
with one finger stuck up .......and naked too :-)



Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: Fairy Pix
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:52:57 GMT

In article <BvG0Co.C98@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, dp70@mc4adm.UWaterloo.ca (Fred Widall) writes:
|> I believe the book you're referring to is called "The Coming Of The Fairies"
|> by A.C.Doyle.
|> 
|> Hope this helps.

The depictions of at least some of the fairies are said to have been
copied from the children's book "Princess Mary's Gift Book" (1915).

The case was popularized by Doyle noted above, and by Edward L. Gardner,
in "Fairies--The Cottingley Photos and Their Sequel", publ. by the
Theosophical Publishing House in 1945.

See also James Randi, "Flim-Flam!" (Prometheus Books, 1986), chapter 2, for
a complete run down on what is known and conjectured about the case.
Many of the photos are reproduced for this chapter.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
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From: spl@ivem.uucp (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.conspiracy,alt.alien.visitors,alt.mindcontrol,alt.flame,soc.women
Subject: Re: Mindless Flame (Was: Re: Matrix III Review)
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:42:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: network.1aam4gINNsbj
Followup-To: alt.dev.null
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Sep29.183102.28340@news.uiowa.edu> acarstea@icaen.uiowa.edu (Alin-Andrei Carsteanu) writes:
>P.S. I still don't know what you mean by simile. A similitude? Or what!?

A simile is like a metaphor.

							spl



-- 
Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu
UCSD Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UCSD Med School/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
"If you don't think people are this crazy, you need to move to LA!"
                                     - Gary Stollman
From: kd21+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kathryn Tiffany Digiacinto)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Out of Body Expr
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:03:26 GMT
Organization: Senior, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I was flipping channels and caught a few second blurb on Oprah Winfrey
where there was a gentleman who represented Moody and officially invited
Oprah to go visit and have an OBE.  This man stated that Joan had an OBE
where she walked around her daughter's house and noted that her daughter
was in the shower and some other things which she verified immediately
after coming out of the experience by calling her daughter, who said she
had been in the shower just a short time before.  Apparently, Joan
really enjoyed it.
I would like to find more out about Moody in particular, though, and
just how one can get involved with his research.  Do you have to have a
talk show to use the machine or can simple interest be enough?