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From: kurtray@sco.COM (Kurt J. Raymond)
Subject: Re: backwards
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:45:39 GMT


Right on!  I *love* to ski backwards (is that why my friends call me
a backwards kind of guy?).  You're on your way to learning "How the
Bozos Ski", as outlined in the instant-classic by Wayne Trzyna.
Skiing backwards is part of the natural progression towards attaining
the propeller-like motion of your skis.

In article <MERLYN.92Dec18100227@romulus.reed.edu> merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz) writes:
>
>someone told me that backwards
>skiing really wasn't that hard.  So I gave it a whirl.  And he was right!

"gave it a whirl" - Jeez, Randal, you're a *natural* - you've even using
the lingo! ;-)

>I ended up doing a reverse snowplow, and had to think through which
>direction I would head if I leaned left and right.  I had my skiing
>friend "spot" me, because I didn't want to have to keep looking behind
>and losing balance.

Ah, but looking behind you is easy too!  As you make each turn, it's
a natural motion to look over your shoulder.  Give it a try next time
you're out.

>But after a hundred yards or so, it became trivial.  I was even
>cutting back and forth across the hill, and picking up considerable
>speed.

The next step is be aware of the weighting of your skis, and edging.
You can quickly progress from traverse to backwards parallel.

>Too much fun.  I'll have to try it some more when I go up Sunday.

One of my favorite pasttimes to do with advanced skier friends is a
variation on "crack the whip".  The only pre-requisite is being able 
at least to do a non-clumsy 360-degree hockey-stop turn.  

It's easiest with two people.

First, assume traverse position on a fairly steep beginner hill,
with each person facing opposite directions, towards each other, 
one person higher on the hill.  Each person holds both poles in
their right hand, and with the left hand, you grab the end of 
your partners poles.  Next, the uphill person starts forwards 
down the hill, and the downhill person begins to ski backwards.
As the forwards skier initiates their turn, the backwards skier
reverses their edges, and both skiers turn about 180 degrees.  
Now, the forwards skier is skiing backwards, and the backwards 
skier is now skiing forwards.  Repeat until you fall over from
dizziness.

Wayne, you're welcome to add this to your book - maybe a sequel,
"How the Bozos Play"  :-)

					-kurtray

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From: speedy@speedy.demon.co.uk (Jeffrey Holdgate)
Subject: Question to more advanced skiers (bumps) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Jeffrey Holdgate Associates
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:08:59 +0000


In article <1992Dec21.155743.8308@brtph560.bnr.ca> woodstock!chris@mcnc.org writes:

>
>In article <1992Dec21.035423.4667@wam.umd.edu>, bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak
>Gohari) writes:
>[...]
>|> What I usually end up doing is (now don't laugh) to turn so that I actually
>|> start going up the hill and lose the momentum.  This sounds stupid, and
>|> looks even worse, so my question is: is there any other way to stop on
>|> bumps, especially many mini-bumps in a cluster?  Thanks.
>
>Yeah.  Fall down.
>
>I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, but unless you're to the point that
>you can handle mogul-fields well, it's probably your best bet.  Make
>sure that you fall up-hill and not down-hill.  Since you'll probably
>just be falling into the steep side of a mogul, it's fairly easy to
>get back up.
>
>You're gonna loose momentum no matter how you stop (unless you fall
>downhill), so you just gotta find a better way to get rid of it.  What
>you want to do is hit the top of a mogul sideways, as you lean into the
>hill.  As you hit, let your chin hit your knees, and you've lost a lot
>of momentum.
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Chris Fulmer                    Bell-Northern Research
>Sr. Software Designer            Research Triangle, NC
>mail to woodstock!chris@mcnc.org (preferable) or...
>        chrisf@bnr.ca            (not so preferable)
>Oh yeah.  The usual disclaimers apply here.
>
>
Turning uphill to lose momentum (Counter turn) is a valid bump technique.
J.
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From: nim@netcom.com (Neal Margolis)
Subject: Re: N. Tahoe Conditions 12/29
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:01:36 GMT

10:00 AM Wednesday morning:

So,here we are at Squaw Valley in the midst of the
worst (or is it best) snowstorm in 10 years. So
much snow has fallen that they are beginning to
stop talking about the "blizzard of '83," which I
also experienced, and it was nothing like this!
When Reno airport gets 1.5 feet of snow and the
big question is "how many inches per hour," you
know you're gonna see some serious feet.

Up until today (Wednesday), most of the mountain
was closed due to winds. Two days ago, we skied
big red and squaw creek. They were pretty well
protected and there were more ways down the hill
than I ever thought existed, and that was about
thirty inches ago. 

Today is an alleged calm between two storms, but
from the condo window (just behind and to the
right of granite chief ski shop) I canstill see a
constant flurry (wind, perhaps?). We are led to
expect another big dump tonight and tomorrow. Of
course, there's almost no one at all on the
mountain, but since most everything is closed,
there are still some short lines. 

Most of the kids just escaped through this narrow
window in order to make their new year's parties
in the Bay Area, but we're here till Sunday. 

Gotta go take a powder now. 

6:00 PM Wednesday:

Great stuff. Skied snow king and big red only to
learn later on that the mountain run was open.
Snow flurries most of the day, patches of blue
here and there, and a view of the lake for a
while. Big, black clouds hanging in the west, not
moving, promising what we undeerstand could be
another four feet (though, to be honest, there's a
different forecast for everybody you ask and for
every number you call, and for every radio station
you listen to).

Spoke to a guy who lives in Tahoma who says that
the lake will come up two feet. A lot of
buisinesses saved. Been waiting for this for eight
years. We hear that five feet has fallen in the
past 48 hours. 

I'll post this and try to answer questions, if
any, but phone service is dicey and expensive. 

Later.

Neal

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From: jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd)
Subject: Re: Question to more advanced skiers (bumps)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:46:12 GMT
	<JON.92Dec29151555@zeus.med.utah.edu> <1992Dec29.174838@is.morgan.com>
Organization: University of Utah

In article <1992Dec29.174838@is.morgan.com> sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff) writes:

   |> I disagree that any slope can be skied as easily at any speed.  All
   |> other things being equal, you will go faster on steeper slopes.  The

   That is not true at all.

I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with here.  In the universe
where I live, an object on an inclined plane will undergo acceleration
that depends on the angle of the plane with respect to gravity.  If
the opposing forces are equal, the greater acceleration experienced on
a steeper slope will result in higher velocity.

The key words in my earlier statement are "as easily."  If you try to
ski a very steep slope at very low speeds, you must expend energy to
apply more frictional force to reduce the acceleration.  This is not
"as easy" as expending no energy to fight the acceleration, and simply
going the natural speed of the slope.

   Controlling the speed is really one and only issue in free style skiing,
   because the alternative is to shuss down, and nobody seems to be doing
   it. (in racing, it also involves skiing around some arbitrary arrangement of
   objects).  For some mysterious reason we have decided that the proper
   way to control speed  is to carve the turns on long skis, although  
   I can easily prove that this is not necessarily true, since I can snowplow 
   and scrape  down ANY slope, no matter how steep and mogully (I've tested 
   the technique on  few occasions in Verbier and Aspen , and let me assure 
   you - it works just fine).

   Some may argue that grace is also at stakes in free style, and it was in fact
   mentioned in the original posting  : well, notion of what is graceful and 
   what is not comes and goes. Skiing style of the 60's champs is barely
   graceful by todays standards.  

You're right.  Even if you slide down the slope on your back with your
skis in the air, I should not dare to say that you are skiing
improperly.  After, all skiing is an evolving art.

I (perhaps mistakenly) thought that we were interested in making
smooth, balanced, cleanly carved turns, rather than scraping down the
hill sideways.  I also assumed that efficiency was an admirable goal.
Even with these assumptions in place, I'll admit that there is still
plenty of room for stylistic variation.

--
jonathan byrd
jon@apollo.med.utah.edu
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From: nage@ellis.uchicago.edu (Rufus Nagel)
Subject: Car/Jeep Rental in Reno
	Thank you all fro the information regarding Reno. We will be skiing at
	Rufus (nage@midway.uchicago.edu)
Reply-To: nage@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:38:24 GMT


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From: andre@avalanche.Canada.Sun.COM (Andre Giroux - Sun Montreal SSS)
Subject: snowboard sucks and all that ...
Reply-To: andre@avalanche.Canada.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems du Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:11:30 GMT

I had fun reading the "snowboard sucks" debate in this newsgroup.

Mind you enjoyment is a very personnal thing. But I have never had such a gliding/
surfing/carving feeling like the one I had once I went down on my first complete
downhill ride on a board. 
it's too bad the sport has been picked up by teeny boppers who want to rule the world
while listening to some weirdo punk rock band, with pet shop haircuts and the
"birth defect" look. It the "rebel's sport"... I really don't USE snowboard to make
a point.

Even as a boarder, I was once sweared at by one of those. One snow board can do alot
of damage. But of course I didn't do anything. 
as one said in his message :

 I enjoy skiing in the trees
more than any other types of skiing but have never seen a snowboarder
in the trees. I would find it hard to believe that they could follow me in
the trees do to the radius of their turns. Do snowboarder's do the trees,
just curious, do not mean to put any one down. I thought the guys/gals on
the boards really looked graceful coming down the open bowls, easily the
best people I've ever seen on boards.


snowboards look and ARE far more elegant in powder and corduroy. not mentionning
air techniques.. I agree trees and bumps are a bit heavy, and a boarder does not "flow"
as well as a skier. But I've followed lever 3 skiers in mogul runs. a board is not
a handicap...

let me finish by mentionning one interesting phrase from a K2 Gyrator add :


"I know a lot of people who used to ski, I don't know anyone who used to
 snowboard"

andre

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From: davin@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Veale)
Subject: Re: xc heel positioner question
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:18:07 GMT

blakely@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Frank Blakely) writes:

>In rec.skiing, colson@tc.fluke.COM (Gary Colson) writes:

>> Reading this weekend an early 80's book on mountain/backcountry skiing where
>> quite a thing was made about a "heel indexing plate" which provided
>> exceptional control on xc skis. a variety of such products were said to be
>> on the market any of which worked well.  Basically a pin attached
>> (protruding) from the rear of the heel that indexed itself into a small
>> vertical "V" plate.  Seems to be an ingenious idea... ...how come I've never
>> seen or heard of such a thing (in my brief 2 year interest in xc skiing)?  
>> 
>> Can anyone out there enlighten me on this.  

These heel locators were made to compensate for the really wimpy boots
that used to be sold for backcountry touring.  Nowadays, if you want some
control, you simply buy good boots.  If your heel smears sideways off of a
ski, your boots are probably too light for turning even with a heel
locator.  
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: smay@boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Subject: Re: xc heel positioner question
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:34:31 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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Gary Colson (colson@tc.fluke.COM) wrote:
: Reading this weekend an early 80's book on mountain/backcountry skiing where quite
: a thing was made about a "heel indexing plate" which provided exceptional control
: on xc skis. a variety of such products were said to be on the market any of which
: worked well.  Basically a pin attached (protruding) from the rear of the heel that
: indexed itself into a small vertical "V" plate.  Seems to be an ingenious idea...
: ...how come I've never seen or heard of such a thing (in my brief 2 year interest in
: xc skiing)?  
:

They are notorious knee wreckers, since the heel is locked during backwards
falls.
 
cheers,
scott

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From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: East "vs." West Snowboarders Suck!!! (more chair reference though)
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:06:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.012831.14461@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>>poor as it is in the East, *I'd* be irritable to the point of
>>picking fights too!
>
>Nonsense.
>Lots of fine skiing on the East Coast.  No need to ever head West.
>That's why Greeley sent the chumps West.  Big flat plains and deserts.
>Naw, fine mountains in the East.  Just rent The Deer Hunter, look at that
>fine snowy peak in the Allegeny Mtns.

Y'know, ever since the spate of "Ski Vail...I mean Utah, yeah, more fresh
tracks for me" postings that went on in Sept. and Oct., I find my bogometer
going off with increasing frequency whenever he says this... :)

  There must be some skiing on its
>slopes.  The East has finer skiers, they know how to ski, especially on
>ice.

Okay...well, I'll accept this bit of ego-stroking..

----Steve
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From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: xc heel positioner question (and bindings in general)
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:56:57 GMT

In article <RFLOYD.92Dec21144239@romeo.cs.duke.edu>, rfloyd@cs.duke.edu (Rick Floyd) writes:
> Does anyone have experience on the control some of the newer systems
> give you when compared to the traditional 3-pin binding? Or is asking
> this question a way to start a religious war? :-) I'm looking at
> something for light touring. I plan on a mixture of non-aggressive
> area skiing and day trips on forest service roads and trails. 

I like the NNN-BC (*not* the "light touring" NNN) because it holds
my foot very well in line with the ski.  It's a vast improvement over
my previous 3-pin binding;  however, my previous boots and bindings
were very much lighter-duty, and obviously quite a bit of the difference
is due to the heavier-duty equipment.  I can telemark adequately, although
not well, but I hesitate to assign any blame to the equipment! 

In sum, I feel that the differences between a stiff boot and a light-duty
boot overwhelm the differences between NNN-BC and 3-pin.
-- 
/\    "I'm only a human girl person.  I ain't always perfect."--Rambling Rose
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      \______________________________________________________________________
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:42:15 EST
From: <TDS104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Skiing Blue Knob, PA

I am planning on making a trip to Blue Knob on 12/30 with a group of
friends.  Unfotunately, I didn't get there after the big dump a week or so
ago.  I heard the conditions were the best they have been in centuries.  My
concern is how well have the slopes faired our recent tropical heat wave.
How many trails are open or I can expect to be open by 12/30?  Lift ticket
costs?  Any other helpful advice?

Thanks in advance!

Tim
From: dwing@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu (Dan Wing)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: <None>
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:01:07 GMT

In article <trdavis.725577047@node_26cf5>, trdavis@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov 
(Tracy R. Davis) writes:

>(quoting someone else)
>>>Good!  Quads are the scourge of powder skiing.  No single invention
>>>has ruined more good ski slopes.
> 
> It looks to me like they put the new chair in the right place. I have heard 
>manypeople mention the traffic problem on white feather trail. This lift 
>should eliminate the traffic problem and decrease the lines on lifts 5 and 
>1. 

According to a ski instructor at Winter Park, this is exactly the reason why
Winter Park built a normal-speed (slow) two-person chair to service their 
new bowl -- to limit the number of skiers per hour.

>As if there
> has ever been a long line at Taos compared to Vail, Copper, et al.  
>
> |Tracy R. Davis                         |  This space intentionally   |
> |Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Co.  |   left blank.               |
> |Houston, TX                            |                             |
> |trdavis@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov           |                             |

"Another Texan complaining about Colorado skiing?"

(For the humor impared, please smile.  Colorado needs all the tourists it
can get so it can build the biggest, bestest ski resorts in the world.  We've
got a long, long ways to go!)

-Dan Wing, dwing@uh01.colorado.edu or wing_d@ucolmcc.bitnet (DGW11)
 Systems Administrator, University Hospital, Denver (DGW11)
From: andyw@meaddata.com (Andy Welter)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Discount Lift tickets
Date: 30 Dec 1992 21:16:50 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: world
Reply-To: andyw@meaddata.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: geronimo.meaddata.com

I will be flying into Denver in January to ski Vail/Beavercreek... Any
good suggestions on places to pick up discount lift tickets?

What supermarkets have good discount tickets available? 


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From: robf@possum.corp.sgi.com (Robert Folkes)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: President's Day Ski Locations
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:33:33 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Just thinking about doing three of four days at President's day (Feb 15th).

Given that the Canadians do not celebrate this day, is it worth going North of the boarder in search of fresh snow and short(er) lift lines. We went to Whistler last year for thanksgiving and it was pretty good despite the influx from Seatle - How about Calgory?

Otherwise I guess it's February at Alta just like last year (yeh, I know it never snows in Utah:-).

Thanks. Rob
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From: mvalcar@usachux2.usach.cl (Manuel Valcarcel)
Subject: SKI IN CHILE!!!!!
Organization: Universidad de Santiago de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:11:26 GMT


    Te sugerimos que vengas a esquiar a Chile ,no es necesario que te
cases,antes conoce a los esquiadores chilenos.....

                                        Bye
 ps:Colorado,La Parva,Villarrica,Valle Nevado....
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Helicopter Skiing/Canadian Goods Tax
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:27:06 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

bentz.e.puryear (bep1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com) wrote:
: I am going up to Mike Wiegele's Helicopter Skiing and wanted to know about 
: the %6 tax that the Canadian Goverment charges. I believe that I can get a
: refund on this since I am  a USA citizen. Has anyone done this or know
: how it works. I went up two years ago just after the tax was imposed and
: did not get it back, but I have read on the net sometime ago that we could
: get this refunded.

Just yesterday I received in the mail some literature from the Alberta
Tourist people (mailed from Buffalo, NY oddly enough) and they included 
a form to use to get the tax refund.  I didn't look too closely at it.
But, the form exists so the refunds must actually be possible.
--

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From: verghese@boi.hp.com (Phil Verghese)
Subject: Re: boots
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:45:01 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Mark Bisgeier (mdb@netcom.com) wrote:
: Anyone have any experience with Technica TNS boots? Rossignol
:  Mid 7? Lange 4.8 or 5.5? Techinca/Rossi/Lange in general?
: 

I've been skiing on my new Rossignol Mid 7s for about 10 ski days.
I'm in love!  My previous boots were Salomon SX 71 Rear Entrys.  Now
that I'm making the transition from Intermediate to Advanced skiing, I
find I've got a lot more control and better fit with these
mid-entries. 

The walk position is really handy for getting around the
lodge, and is a good rest while riding the lift.  There are times that
the boot jumps back into ski position before I want it to, but that's
just a minor annoyance.

I would have preferred that buckles to be micro-adjustable.  You can
rotate them one full turn, but this seems to be to big of an
adjustment.  It feels like four turns is the equivalent of one notch.

These boots have a flex adjustment that has two settings: no flex and
almost no flex.  There's also an adjustment for cant.  There's a
"power strap" of Velcro that goes around the tongue and outer boot.

I'd recommend these boots for advanced intermediates through experts.
You may also want to look into the Rossi Mid 9s if you're an expert.
The Lange boots may have a better tongue than the Rossi's, check that
out also.

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From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Snowy Range, Wyoming
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:26:40 GMT

If you are looking for an alternative to skiing in Colorado, consider
Snowy Range, Wyoming. It is 31 minutes east of Laramie, Wyoming near
the Colorado/Wyoming boarder. The phone number is
 1-800-GO-2-SNOW
 1-307-745-5750

It is open Wednesday-Sunday, 9am-4pm.

- Carl

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