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From: genef@netcom.com (Eugene Fornario)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: American Splendour
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:37:57 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul22.121923.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au> matap@lure.latrobe.edu.au (Andrej Panjkov, La Trobe Maths) writes:
>Can anyone tell me if Harvey Pekar is still doing his excellent
>"American Splendour"?  If so, when can I expect the next issue?
>If not, why not?
>
Absolutely!  He was just recently interviewed in Comic Buyers Guide.
Kind as an update,  Harvey is recovering from cancer, and will be
more than likely talking about it next issue.  

>Also, where can I acquire back issues?  Can I order them by mail from 
>Harvey?
>
If your local comics monger doesn't carry the back issues you can
order direct from Harvey, just submit a want list and I'm sure he
will get back to you.


>What a great comic!  It focusses on the mundane, but it's so interesting.
>Harvey is very versatile as a writer too--every story has a different feel,
>although this is also due to the fact that they are drawn by different 
>artists.  (I can't understand why some of the more famous artists aren't 
>begging Harvey to draw one of his stories.  
>
>Does anyone else enjoy this comic as much as I do?
>
You bet!  I actually caught on to his work in my public library no less, it
was a collection called "More American Splendor", some really nice stories
there.  Harvey has proven that the everyday can be interesting, and has
shown it's all in how you tell the story. He also takes tight control of
the artwork details too. I like biographies, so that's why it's interesting 
to me.  It isn't the biography of a 'great' person, but an everyday type,
who does share his experiences, some which approximate my own.  There have
been autobiographical comic stories before American Splendor, but I believe
Harvey has broken new ground here and has opened up more to the comics
reader.

Gene--
From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: need CEREBUS info
Date: 26 Jul 92 09:23:17 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology

In article <1992Jul24.105008.21931@ucc.su.OZ.AU> ray@exicom.OZ.AU (ray) writes:
>
>I became interested in Cerebus when i ftp-ed the Cerebus Companion.
>Since that is a reasonably old document, i would like to know:

Where can I get this?

Jed
From: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Shadow of the Bat question...
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:46:38 GMT
Organization: Miskatonic U. Computer Operations & User Services

I called peoples' attention to a "new" Cavalier in Arkham, and

bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:

> I think that's another character named Cavalier, who's been around since
> before LotDK and Shadow of the Bat. ... I do remember seeing him in two or
> three of Giffen's JLA issues (the ones where Wally Tortellini (sp?) is taken 
> to the bar with all the super-villains and wins their gimmicks, including
> Cavalier's sword, in a poker game).

Oh, yeah.  The orange-suited Cavalier was a pre-Crisis Batman foe, but I
thought he hadn't been seen post-Crisis, and the LOTDK Cavalier was the
official post-Crisis version.  But I forgot about that Cavalier from JLA.

That JLA issue raises some other interesting questions.  Quakemaster was among
those Wally beat, and we have seen him elsewhere post-Crisis (in HERO HOTLINE,
which *is* in standard DC continuity, folks).  But also present was Blackrock,
a pre-Crisis Superman villain who has *not* appeared in the Super-titles
post-Crisis.  

Oh, well, the Super-titles apparently don't lay first claim to old Superman
foes anyway.  We saw how the Parasite only recently made the change from a
green Firestorm foe to the old purple Supes foe.  And DC apparently forgot,
when they redid the Atomic Skull for Supes last year, that Cary Bates had
already introduced an Atomic Skull in CAPTAIN ATOM.
-- 
Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,

Chris Jarocha-Ernst			Rutgers University Computing Services
Internet: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu       BITnet: JAROCHAERNST@ZODIAC
From: camdna@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Darren Natale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Infinity War...Geez...
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:13:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

> 
>You've got to be kidding.  To give the Watcher control over reality is to
>invalidate watching.  It's the old Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle in spades: 
>you can't observe something without changing it.
> 

Actually, the Watcher is not a bad guess--it seems to me that Adam Warlock
distributed the gems to those who were the least able to benefit from them,
either because the gem merely augments a power already possessed (Moondragon,
for example) or because the urges of the bearer are not directed toward
malicious abuse (Pip, for example). The Watcher would therefore be an 
excellent choice because of his commitment to observation. Possession
of the gem does not mean use of the gem.

Considering Warlock's comments, I don't think he actually gave the Reality
gem to the Watcher, but he'd still have made a good choice.

DN
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From: dnaraghi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dara Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Neil Vokes
Keywords: A Nice Guy
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:11:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.165305.22846@cbfsb.cb.att.com> kalel@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (peter.t.mcdermott) writes:
>Hello all,
>         I went to a wedding this weekend and discovered that my wife is
>an old friend of Neil Vokes. He is the artist on Malibu's "Tarzan the
>Warrior", and on the upcoming "Congorilla" from D.C., coming soon to a
>store near you. I just wanted to recommend Mr. Voke's work.

	Also, check out EAGLE by Neil Vokes and Rich Rankin.  This was
a black & white independent that was published by Crystal, and then by Apple
comics.  There are 20 some issues of it, and I would really recommend it.
	By the way, did Comic Zone ever publish the EAGLE limited series they
were supposed to?




-- 
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* Dara Naraghi                       * "Love isn't really blind...just      *
* dnaraghi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu *  selectively nearsighted"--The Hulk  *
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Subject: Re: XMEN: Forge is not an inventor
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:34:56 GMT
 <1992Jul28.093258.1@skcla.monsanto.com> <1992Jul28.160055.13150@news.columbia.edu>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: kgpowe

In article <1992Jul28.160055.13150@news.columbia.edu>, kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka) writes:
>>What other marketable inventions are being ignored by the superhero populace?

> There are a lot of them in the Marvel Universe:

I'm just repeating the marketable ones:

> 	Reed Richard's unstable molecule "cloth"
	Now THIS would sell.  It repels bullets, never tears over your private
	parts, never needs resizing, it would be wonderful.

> 	growth/shrink formulas
	This could revolutionize transport and storage as we know it.
	It's got to be cheap the way Pym uses it, I'd love to store my
	whole comic collection in a tupperware container!

> 	personal jet packs
	The FAA might have problems, but they'd sell like hotcakes.
	Well, really expensive hotcakes.

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From: rekle@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Rick Ekle (CompSci))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: New Titans #89
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:46:44 GMT
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center

In article <BrM4rz.5px@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs) writes:
>	Exactly what is the difference between Metropolis and New York...
>Furthermore where are Metropolis Gotham Central City etc.  They really seem
>unable to once and for all decide exatly what these places are.
>

Metropolis = New York (that's pretty obvious)

Gotham City = I'm not positive but I get the impression it is Chicago.

Central City = some city in Florida (Miami?)
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From: MIKET@brownvm.brown.edu (Michael Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC Comics
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:43:34 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
Keywords: DC, history
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

In article <1992Jul24.103507.202106@uctvax.uct.ac.za>,
snyeva01@uctvax.uct.ac.za said:
>could someone please tell me what the DC as in DC Comics means?
>could it be "Devil's Comics"?
>what with a adress like 666 fifth street one could get quite suspicuous.


DC stands for Detective Comics.  The company used to be National Periodicals,
but somewhere along the line (I think in the 50's) they simply became DC.  I
don't know why, maybe some other DC historian can help out.

--Mike Thompson
From: 0juan_e@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Robocop vs Terminator - Time Paradox?
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:41:37 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

To you Dudes into Time-Paradoxes,

   I don't have the exact Temporal co-ordinates as to when SKYNET unleashed
Armaggadon, or the time when Murphy got transformed to Robocop, but if I
remember right - SKYNET started "The Day of the Machines" supposedly a few
years before the RoboCop program got started in Detroit.
In "Terminator", I think the year IT started was 1999 -a guess.  RoboCop,
in a year after 2000 -another guess.
Could anybody please verify the year of each movies beginning.

Granted the idea, concept, is interesting, but it really get ruin (to me) if
one cannot mesh two different storylines properly into something cohesive 
-especially conflicting time periods.

                                Thanks,
                                Ned
                                St. Peter's College.
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Subject: Re: REALITY GEM, REALITY GEM.  Who's cot the REALITY GEM?
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:54:44 GMT
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: jjfink

In article <m0mDKFr-0000aAC@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>, rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com writes:
> WHO's GOT THE REALITY GEM?  Could it be:
...
> ORIGINAL CAPTAIN MARVEL (this would be as lame an excuse as Marvel would need
>                          to re-introduce Mar-vell.)

This is frighteningly logical.  The Surfer has encountered his 'spirit'
recently, and it wouldn't be hard for Warlock to bring him back to life while
he was omnipotent (that should go without saying for omnipotent beings).

They've also pretty much retired the black woman Captain Marvel, so it's time
to resurrect the name again.

I hope that because Starlin is the architect of this Infinity stuff, though,
he'll stick to his guns and keep Mar-Vell dead.

Joel
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From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Jewish Superheros
Keywords: jewish, thor, vampire
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean VA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:20:27 GMT

In article <158qt0INNajl@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> MIKET@brownvm.brown.edu (Michael Thompson) writes:
}In article <1992Jul24.195435.29622@linus.mitre.org>, m23364@mwunix (James
}Meritt) said:
}>Oh yeah(2).  Thor's hammer when wielded by Thor(original) caused vampires
}>to fizzle on contact (token of a religion held by a believer!!!)
}
}That's not a token being held by a beleiver, that's the real thing being
}wielded by the actual god!  He should be able to wade through vampires and
}just blow them away with his touch if we go by the vampiric "repelled by holy
}symbols" theory.  When did Thor fight a vampire?

Heck, he's fisted it out with Dracula!

A few years ago.  I'll check it out.  Thor finally "won" by throwing his hammer
at him (causing him to mist) and then striking the mist with lightening.

This was right before Drac went after the Darkholm...



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From: ted4646@zeus.tamu.edu (kid eternity)
Subject: Re: DC Comics
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:58:00 GMT

In article <vanyel.712192542@camelot>, vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes...
>In <26JUL199216324661@zeus.tamu.edu> ted4646@zeus.tamu.edu (kid eternity) writes:
> 
>>Direct all flames to:
> 
>>DC Comics
>>1515 Avenue of the Americas
>>New York, NY 10101
> 
>Did they change the address again: Last I knew it:
> 
>DC Comics, Inc.
>1325 Avenue of the Americas
>New York, NY  10102
> 

I was typing this from memory.  The 1325 address sounds to be the correct
address.

-thomas

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From: victor.ng@rose.com (victor ng)
Subject: Weapon Omega
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:49:48 GMT
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Date Entered: 07-27-92 15:14
This is a list of circumstances that could lead Weapon Omega (Newest member of
Alpha Flight). to the Sabretooth and Wolverine.
        1. Weapon Omega has a healing factor like Wolverines.
        2. Weapon O originates from Canada.
        3. Weapon O often goes beserk just like Wolverine .
        4. Weopon O has claws like Sabretooth.
        5. He looks like a son of Sabretooth's.

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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: Lobo's Back #3
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 20:18:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.152947.13694@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>I've been off the net for about the last month, so I don't know if this
>has been mentioned or not.  I heard it a a couple of weeks ago from my
>sister, who works in a comics shop.  Apparently, DC will not be releasing
>Lobo's Back #3, because, on the cover of #2, the artist slipped in a
>certain portion of the male anatomy that wasn't spotted by the censors
>(it's on Lobo/Bimbo's left arm, right near the elbow, if you care to
>look).  If anyone else can confirm or deny this, please let me know.
>I have no idea how this will affect other Lobo comics, such as Lobo's
>Back #4 (would be strange without #3), Lobo's Blazing Chain of Love,
>Lobo: Infanticide, etc. 

False false false false false.

Lobo's Back #3 has been delayed, however, by Bisley's slowness, and will ship
one month later than previously announced, as has #4.
-------
Scowling Jim Cowling
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
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From: akhale@pollux.usc.edu (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC--Crisis Inconsistencies
Date: 21 Jul 1992 22:14:56 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu
Keywords: DC Crisis continuity

In article <1992Jul21.195921.2328@nic.csu.net> gary@futon.SFSU.EDU (Gary Hoo) writes:
>
>I could play these games of paradox all day, and I assume there's a profit 
>to be made in doing so for DC, but I'd rather someone else answered the 
>question: Is there a "post-Crisis" continuity?  (Bonus points for answering
>the related self-referential question, "What did the Crisis look like after
>the Crisis?")  
>
>[If this issue has been beaten to death before, I apologize.  I don't
>remember seeing much in the FAQ, though.]

Yes, this one comes up once in a while. 
>
>Every time I see this subject raised, it seems to require mental gymnastics
>of a perverse order to get around, let alone to answer, the reasonable
>questions that one can raise.  For example, why doesn't anyone seem to
>remember the Crisis--not just the red skies, but the multiverse slaughtered
>in the process?  There were quite a number of people who survived the trip
>to the beginning of time and the subsequent final assault on Earth, and who
>apparently are still around today.  The last two issues of Crisis made it
>crystal-clear that anyone who had made it to the beginning of time also 
>remembered the multiverse upon his/her return to the present-day DC
>Universe.  The Last Days of the JSA special operated on this premise as 
>well.  

Okay, to make some sense out of this, you have to assume that there were two
waves of reality change at least. The first one happened after the big bang
at issue 10's end. After that, the world was remade and everyone not at the
End of Time forgot what happened. But this reality still had people who remem-
bered the multiverse, Earth-2 etc. Luthor was still the mad scientist, and not
the Kingpin clone. The second wave remade the Unierse and altered everyone's
memories as well. Luthor, Superman, Diana etc. were remade. In last Days,
the JSA still had this memory, but lost it while in Ragnarok. Later ways of
reality change remade Hawkman (yes, I know this is really bogus). 

People do remember the crisis : the red skies reference comes up every once
in a while from Flash to Spectre. More confused is what happened. We have
some nuggets of info :  we know that there was a Superboy (from where is
unknown) involved in the crisis. We know that lady  Quark was present in the
crisis, but its not clear whether she comes from another Universe or not.
Interestingly, the latest JLIQ indicates that the Crime Syndicate of Earth-3
(who died in the crisis) came from the antimatter Universe of Qward. The
Legion in the altered Universe dont meet Superman till later, so they
cant have participated in the Crisis as well... the list of complications
goes on and on. 

Currently a few of DC's supernatural characters do have memories of the
multiverse : Shazam, the Spectre etc., but others dont. 

Abhijit
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Robots in Comicdom 
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:09:27 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


	A lot of talk has got me thinking about something that
probably most of you have already noticed, but I will reiterate.
Robots are perfect in comics, because quite a few convenient factors:
	1)  Robots can be great villains.  They are heartless and cannot
relate to the "human" quality in life.  They just follow instructions, 
and can become terrible enemies even by accident.  (Ultron or Nimrod)
	2)  Robots can be torn apart, mangled and "killed" without
criminal intervention or guilt from most everyone.  (Sentinels, Various
IronMan enemies, etc.)
	3)  Robots can be clones or look alikes of real villains, which
seems to satiate some readers I suppose.  Since you get to see the villain
mutilated but the evil villain can come back and fight another day.  This 
is also why clones come in so handily.  (Kang, Mr. Sinister, Doombots)
	4)  I forgot number four and it was a good one. 
	5)  Robots are easy to draw?  I mean most are tin cans and cylinders
and so forth.  I find Ironman a lot easier to draw than Psylocke...  (ok 
Ironman is not a robot, but with all that has happened lately who knows.)
	6)  Robots cause telepaths no end of trouble!  Have you ever noticed
that in a consistent comic, robots are the only things that take telepaths out.
(Which is for the most part, how it should be, since not many people have 
psionic shielding and this and that.)  This part of course could open an
entirely different discussion on telepaths and the trouble they pose to writing
comics, but robots  help alleviate that problem.  
	7)  Robots are somewhat believable in having superhuman abilities.
(if that means anything to the comic industry)  I mean its not too unbelievable
that robots will have all types of gadgets handy for use, etc.
	8)  Robots are reconstructable!  They are recyclable!  They can be
great for the environment and all!  And they come back again and again, which
is a primary quality in any villain for comics!
	Well there you have it, and that is about all I can think of offhand
Add some if you like.  I find the fact that some robots dont fit this mold
equally disturbing!  (Lt. Commander Data, and I guess Machine Man?)  But I'll
save the endearing qualities about robots for another posting!
					wReam...
P.S.  For all you know I could be a Robot! [:-|]  Heh heh heh




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Subject: Re: Crisis Inconsistencies (WAS: Re: The Problem with the GL yellow weakness)
From: rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr)
Date: 25 Jul 92 13:26:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA

In article <859@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov> jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) writes:

>Actually, the Post Crisis Superman is/was _no_ different from the Pre-C
>one.
>
>It was only after Byrne "rewrote" Superman was he depowered somewhat.
>That's why many people refer to the Pre and Post-Byrne Superman.

This recent talk about when Superman changed, either Post Crisis or Post
Byrne had me do some thinking.  In a newletter put out by DC at the time,
similar to the early issues of Marvel Age, called DC Insider I believe, 
I remember reading that Crisis was going to have a effect on Superman and
the various comics he appeared in when it was over.  So, although technically,
yes, Superman had not been changed immediately in the comics after Crisis
was over, Byrne's issues of Man of Steel and the Superman titles were to
pick up the continuity immediately after Crisis.  There may have been one
or two issues of the Superman books published after Crisis without the 
Byrne changes to Superman, but it was definitely planned out by DC that
Byrne would begin writing the definitive post Crisis Superman.  
So, I would have to say yes, the Post Crisis Superman is Byrne's Superman,
which is definitely different than the Pre Crisis Superman.

I hope this helps clear things up.  

					Ron
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From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: DC--Crisis Inconsistencies
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:40:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.184335.22641@eos.arc.nasa.gov> shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Richard Barry Shrum) writes:
>Is there a graphic-novel-type book which contains the Crisis all in
>1 volume? I never read it, and it sounds easier (and less expensive)

According to the most recent Inside DC, Crisis will be published as a single
volume early next year.

"You know, I suspect that all the continuity problems can be traced to a
single, pivotal event.  After all, Darkseid, evil tyrant of Apokolips, slew
Jonni DC, Continuity Cop back in what, '83?  Soon afterward, the plans for
_Crisis on Infinite Earths_ began resulting in a) a total mess of continuity,
and b) vast exposure for Darkseid, including being made part of the TV cartoon,
participating in any number of miniseries, and making trouble for everyone from
the Green Lantern Corps to Jimmy Olsen.  A nefarious scheme begins to
unfold..."  ---Mike Schiffer
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com