From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: HYPOCRISY !!!
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:00:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.203051.13843@news.stolaf.edu> kamilewi@inga2.acc.stolaf.edu (Alex Kamilewicz), somewhere out near Jerry Brown Land, writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.175317.15587@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>>In article <168BA7335.VAAIRP@UKCC.UKY.EDU> VAAIRP@UKCC.UKY.EDU writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec10.215827.17547@csus.edu>
>>>chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>>
>>I know logic and reasoning was one gift you were probably not endowed
>>with, but I'll labor your brain and waste bandwidth anyway on a little
>>logic question: 
>>
>>1- Sexism means bashing someone because of their gender or attaching
>>   stereotypes to a gender. 
>>2- Militant feminists and even mainstream TV commercials and shows, do
>>   this to the male gender every day. 
>
>And the female gender, if you'd happen to notice.

Not on TV they don't. Making fun of women is something that is rare,
if it occurs at all, on TV.


>>3- Militant anti-male shirt buttons like "the more I know men the more
>>   I like my cat" and other stuff, are common place. 
>
>As are shirts like "Fifteen reasons why a beer is better than a woman."

I know. I've seen it. And it was the only time I saw anyone making a
fuss at the guy. When a woman walks around with similar shirts, no one
makes a fuss about it.


>>4- Sexism has been defined under discrimination. 
>>5- Discrimination has been recognized as wrong.
>>6- Male-bashing is sexism. 
>>7- Male bashing is as wrong as woman-bashing. 
>
>And right now you're trying to stop male-bashing.  And some people are 
>trying to stop women-bashing.  And you say that isn't fair?

None of it's fair - the issue is that while the media and people in
general make a big fuss when women are talked about, when women do it
to men or it shows up on TV against men, no one complains. Then it
becomes funny.


>>Whoops. I almost forgot. I apologize. The reason why it is logically
>>correct for women to bash men is because:
>>
>>8- This is the Year of the Woman. 
>
>Proof?  You always seem to have a problem with proof, Steve.

PROOF?! I KNEW you lived near Jerry Brown Land. The proof that this is
The Year of the Woman is easy to find - go read the newspapers, that
this has been declared the Year of the Woman. 

I can't believe you live that far away from Earth, that you haven't
seen those 4 words splattered across newspapers and magazines all over
the place.


>>>Agreed, this is absurd.  But this is not a good reason to commend
>>>environmentalists.
>>
>>Yes it is a good reason. Look at how conservatives are condemned for
>>tiny, extreme events in their camp? Hell if they can be condemned for
>>that, we can condemn your people for that stuff happening in Carmel.
>
>Proof?  You always seem to have a problem with proof, Steve.

It was on ABC radio news. I listen to it every day (mainly because
they stick it on there before, during and after the Rush Limbaugh
show and I listen to the radio whenever I'm not in class or I'm
studying). I was also in several newspapers in Carmel - and it also
was on the Rush Limbaugh Show. 

I have supplied you ample proof of all my claims. (In fact I've
supplied everyone with ample proof of all my claims but that doesn't
deter their ignorance, so what does it matter?) 


>BTW, I'm sort of upset that you never finished mailing me that stuff
>about how Clinton was going to lose the election.  But I guess it doesn't
>matter now, does it?

Nope. It doesn't matter that everything I said that was untrue about
Clinton's claims about the economy, is bearing out now. The media is
now showing us that this wasn't the worst economy in 50 years, yet
Clinton said it was. This WASN'T the worst unemployment in xx years -
in fact it's the best in 3 years. The entire misery index (inflation
plus unemployment) was way lower than the Carter years. 
And all this improvement now, is being talked about AFTER the election
is over. The media intentionally fucked up the economy so Clinton
could be elected and BAM! now it's getting better. 

In addition, your pet claim that Bush was involved in the Iran Contra
scandal, was disproven by the Senate investigation... which was
announced AFTER the election. 

President Bush got really fucked up by this ultra-biased media, and
had these economic facts been pushed BEFORE the election, Clinton
would not be in office. 


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--Steve Chaney: Founder, Borg Operating Space Systems, Revision 2.0--
	           The B.O.S.S. does not speak for CSUS. 
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:59:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Summary Fri 12/4/92 REPOST
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA