Organization: University of Missouri-Columbia Campus Computing, 314-882-2000
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:04:27 CST
From:         CCCAMPER@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject: Re: Lies about the Consecration
              8 Jan 1993 13:29:00 EST from <achavez@UMSA.UMD.EDU>

On Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:29:00 EST Alfred S. Chavez said:
>Elizabeth counterpoints:
>>>Point is, IMHO, the consecration of
>>>Russia to the IHM, and the metaphor Russia represents here--all that is
>>>evil, in the world, in nations, in groups, in individuals, in me--is
>>>intended to draw us back to Christ. When we go to her, the first words we
>>>hear are the last time she is quoted in scripture, at Cana, "Do as He tells
>>>you."
>
>>I'm not quite sure how you mean to relate this to the conversation.
>>We are encouraged to come closer to Christ, and to help draw others to
>>Him. However, it seems to me that God, working through Our Lady at
>>Fatima, placed a great deal of importance on the consecration.
>
>>Again, I do not wish to appear to "argue" about this. Until I can find
>
>First, "arguing" about it, in the best sense of the term--"to enlighten"--is a
>good thing.  I believe you are sincere and are approaching this topic
>prayerfully and with an open heart.  Hopefully, I am, too.

Well, I don't feel it's appropriate for me "argue", because in my own
mind this implies that I have a viewpoint that I'm trying to support
and perhaps convince others to share this viewpoint. There is so much
conflict regarding this situation, and credible support for each side.
It will take a lot of research to discover who is correct, and thats
what I want to know. I'm not merely looking for whatever supports the
"it's not been done" opinion.
>
>My quotations from scripture were meant to emphasize the point that the
>consecration is a means to an end, that end being Jesus Christ Himself.  I
>think you may want to be careful not to get caught in a trap where you
>decide that this is the only way to Christ and there is no other.  I believe
>you would run afoul of scripture and Vatican II if you did.

" want to be careful not to get caught in a trap where you decide that this
is teh only way to Christ and there is no other". ?  Excuse my blank look,
I don't understand how the consecration is a way to Christ. Let alone the
only way. To me (irrelevant of now "done" or "not done" ) it matters
because it involves much suffering and loss for mankind. I trust that
God will care for me and my family, but compassion for millions of others
leads me to pray that the consecration is done.

>And to the RCIA candidate:  Please don't let our free-for-all debate confuse

Oh! I thought you were speaking to this RCIA candidate! O:) I TRULY hope this
is not a free-for-all debate. My posts are meant as friendly discussions over
coffee (and perhaps a nice little Danish). Someone let me know if this is
not how you are speaking.
>
If it's any consolation, I never heard any of this at RCIA. In fact, the
assistant pastor is much more inclined to lecture against devotion to
Mary. (and here we are, just trying to get used to respecting her, let
alone maintain an adequate devotion to her) If we (my husband and I)
were to mention Fatima, I'm afraid he would be *VERY* troubled.

In Jesus and Mary,
Elizabeth
" and all generations shall called me Blessed" Mary, the Mother of God