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From: saji@thor.ece.uc.edu (Sandeep  Aji)
Subject: Bengals Win !!!
Originator: saji@thor.ece.uc.edu
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 05:31:22 GMT



    Bengals finally won their first pre-season game. Though it was against 
  the Colts .. this game showed some good signs about the new Bengals .....
  Boomer looked as impressive as ever. Completing 15 of 20. Of the 5 incomplete
  passes 3 were dropped by receivers who were still showing some 1992 touch .
    Looks like the Bengals haven't given up the "fake" play yet. Boomer "the king
  of fake" threw a classic. The secondary looked suspect on some plays .. but I
  guess it looks better than 1992. Darryl Williams (Miami - rookie) played great.
  Seems like we have someone to fill Fulcher's shoes finally. I wonder when the
  other First round pick(Klingler) is gonna be signed/traded.

    I don't know if Bengals will do better than last season .. but it seems that 
   the Colts might not .. esp. after losing Jeff George today. (Broken Thumb).


    -- Aji


    Go Bengals .. at least beat the Dawgs ..



     
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From: MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:52:46 GMT
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering

In article <1992Aug17.163924.4426@kadsma.kodak.com>
pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek) writes:
 
>In article <15AUG199202294646@numep2.phys.nwu.edu> todd@numep2.phys.nwu.edu (Todd Pedlar) writes:
>>Just another comment:  to be honest, I wouldn't mind if they outlawed
>>artificial turf... in all sports... does anybody know how much of an
>>increase in injuries the past 10-15 years can be attributed to it?
>>
>>tkp
>>
>
>Intuitively, it seems that turf should be more dangerous than grass, and some
>players have refused to play for teams that had turf fields at home. However,
>the only 'scientific' study of this question showed that the number of injuries
>was about the same on turf as on grass; the difference was statistically
>insignificant.
>
>Does someone have other information?
>
>>Todd K. Pedlar
>
>Don Pajerek
>
>Standard disclaimers apply.
>
I have seen reports (no, I do not have citations) that artificial turf
does not change the number of injuries, but the distribution.
Something along the lines that it increases knee injuries (because the
extra traction keeps the foot in place when the leg is hit from the
side) but decreases ankle injuries (because the foot is less likely to
become snagged in the more uniform surface).
 
I personally think the increase in the size and speed of the players is
more responsible for the larger number of injuries.  When these larger
players hit each other at a higher speed, the impact is just too much
for the human frame to bear.
 
Jim McMaster
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: Re: BRONCOS NEWS
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:24:48 GMT

In article <l8j4udINNj37@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> scotti@milesaway.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott A. Vu) writes:
>
>Any news on the Broncos ??
>
>Are they planning to make any trade to obtain
>a wr due to all the injuries that they have.
>
>What about the Desmond Howard guy? Can the
>Broncos trade to get him, since I heard that
>he can be a trade bait due to his contract 
>problem in Washington.
>
>How is Maddox doing. Is he the no. 2 guy?
>
>scott-

Maddox has looked good in camp but had not played in the first 3 games.  He
will play against Miami in Berlin.  No news on trade possibilities for WR.

Broncos practiced with Miami yesterday and apparently there "things got out
of hand."  I just heard that little bit on TV and have not read anything
further...
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From: auwen@convex.com (John David Auwen)
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins - Rypien Finally Signed!
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:42:04 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <23517@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>Rypien's
>1991 base salary was $1.25 million.

For some reason, I thought he made a lot less than that.  I thought I heard
stuff like how great of a deal the Redskins were getting, etc.

Dave
auwen@convex.com
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 15:40:22 -0400 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Chargers - Friesz is out for year
	<Bszqp7.DMC@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Distribution: na

>
	I had an injury like this once.  It will take Friesz the better part
of the season to get back into shape.  Did they say whether or not he tore
cartilage?  How much of that kind of damage there is will affect his recovery
time.
>

no, but I heard he was in and out of surgery in just about an
hour--which is supposedly *very* good news, i understand it usually
takes a number of hours

--Vernon.
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From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: 49er tidbits...
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:33:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.175044.21948@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.150502.16440@makesys.com>,
>And Haley had some minor scoping done on his knee a few days ago. He
>should be back in time for the season opener too.  I don't think the
>DL really has anything to worry about at this point.

I read today that Haley's knee problem may be worse than originally
expected. Apparently they found a "spiral fracture" in the cartilage.
Not sure exactly what that is, but it sounds ugly. So now there is
some real concern about whether Haley will be ready for the season
opener.

On another note, I read today that the wheels are spinning inside little
Eddie DeBartolo's head now that it looks like the 49ers will no longer
have a "roommate" at Candlestick (i.e., the S.F. Giants). This will give
him the freedom to propose renovations to Candlestick to tailor it more
to football, such as adding about 7,000 more seats, adding a stadium club,
and improving the locker rooms (right now the locker rooms are a real joke -
old and cramped). The general agreement is that while Candlestick is the
pits for baseball, it's really not all that bad for football, so Eddie
doesn't have any qualms about sinking some money into renovating it.

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From: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas Depth Chart
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:27:32 GMT
Reply-To: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx

In article <1992Aug14.162948.11621@aero.org>, mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
|> Here is how I understand the current Cowboys 2 man depth chart to look
|> like:
|> 
|> Offense: (first string)
|> 
|> Harper   Roberts  Tuinei  Newton  Cornish  Gesek  Williams  Martin
|>                                    Aikman
|>                                    Johnston
|>                                    Smith
|> 
|> (second string)
|> 
|> Smith   Bartlewski  Veingrad  Hellestrae  Gogan  Wright
|>                          Beurlein
|>                          Richards
|>                           Agee
|> 
|> Defense: (first string)
|> 
|>          Jeffcoat    Maryland   Casillas   Hill
   This DL should be:
            Jones      Casillas    Maryland    Jeffcoat
|>     Norton             Jones              Smith
|> Holt           Williams      Horton         Brown

The Def. secondary for now is:
  Holt            Williams      Washington     Brown
                    SS              FS

|> 
|> 
|> (second string)
|> 
|>         Hennings   Noonan   Lett     Lett, Hill
|>    Edwards             Crum             Myles
|> Smith     Washington     Gant        Holmes
|> 

     Lett is a true DT who is playing DE till Tolbert returns, thus 2 positions

|> That's 42 people.  The remainder are harder, but in order of how they
|> would make the team at this point:
|> 
|> Daluiso/Elliot
   JJ loves the strength of Daluiso's leg -- I'd give him the nod over Elliot

|> Saxon
      Made the team, no question.  He has no competition

|> Woodson  -  has made the team (according to me) based on ST play and
                as a nickel back
|> Bates - I hate myself for this:  I don't think Bill can make the roster
           because there are so many unproven DBs and Gant's ST play makes
           him expendable.
       
|> Lewis - has forced JJ to keep 5 CB (IMHO)

|> K. Harris
|> D. Harris
|> Garrett
|> Weatherspoon
|> Pruitt
|> Clark
|> Brown
|> Milstead
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     I don't think any of these guys make it^

|> 
|> Folks now in the starting or second team that will not make the final
|> cut:
|> 
|> Horton
|> Bartlewski
|> 
|> Not signed and will make the team:
|> Novacek
|> Irvin
|> Stepnoski
|> Tolbert
|> 
|> Injured but could be on the roster eventually:
|> 
|> Myslinski
|> Briggs
       I don't think he'll stick

|> Blake
|> 
|> Hanging around:
|> 
|> A Green, Kupp, M James, B Mithell, C Hall, M Beasely, Melvin Evans,
|> Todd Jones, Pat Evans, Shepard, Alphin, Wacasey, Butts Cooper
|> 
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Suggested trades for the Cowboys.
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:38:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.001513.77120@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI) writes:

       No, your point was not made. Your argument just didn't make sense for
       Dixon is no Noonan and Bussey is no Casillas. I didn't claim, in the
       original post, that either Noonan or Casillas are Pro Bowl caliber
       players, but both are solid players who can help many teams in the damn
       league.

You know Malik, that sounds like a decent discription of Dixon and Bussey.
Have you ever seen them play?  

       If you disagree with the suggested trades that's fine, there is
       always room for disagreement. You can modify the original trades or
       propose entirely new ones that are reasonable. Just do not turn the
       subject to a Cowboy-bashing affair.

       Malik....

Cowboy-bashing.  Political correctness comes to r.s.f.p.  And here I had
always heard that Dallas was supposed to be a relatively selfconfident
moderatly conservative place.  Kind of a dissapointing surprise.

Bill
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From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: Worst Rules in NFL
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:15:07 GMT

In article <16846D140.MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com> MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com writes:
>I personally think the increase in the size and speed of the players is
>more responsible for the larger number of injuries.  When these larger
>players hit each other at a higher speed, the impact is just too much
>for the human frame to bear.
> 
>Jim McMaster

I think these people do not train very hard when the season is over.
Being out of shape probably causes more injuries than anything.

Tony (go new england) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Are the Bears 2 players away from the Super Bowl?
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:24:21 GMT

In article <168407A3D.UC516349@mizzou1.missouri.edu> UC516349@mizzou1.missouri.edu (The Pseudo Edge) writes:
>  I think the Bears are 2 OL away from the Super Bowl. I think they have
>the skill people to score (Harbaugh, Muster, Anderson, Davis, etc.), but
>the OL needs to do a better job of run blocking for Neal & Brad.
>  With the addition of Spellman on the frontline (boy he looked good
>last night), I think the defense will be in the top 10 again. My only
>real concern is the offensive line.  If they can improve their play,
>I think the Bear have a good chance of at least making it to the Super
>Bowl.
> 
>Wayne
> 
>GO BEARS!!!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't `Da Bears about 4 bricks shy of a load? By
that I mean sure you need two OL's but if you ask me I think you could use two
speed burners as wide outs too. Yeah I know you have Willie Galt but where is
the other deep threat? If you want to make it to the super bowl nowadays you
have to have at least two ultra fast deep threats who can catch balls. Willie may
be a great hurdler, but he's got a pair of bricks for hands, excuse my saying so.
I am not trying to flame `Da Bears I actually like you guys and I really like
Mike Ditka, he's the John Riggins of football coaches, you gotta love `im. Even
without the Jerry Rice/John Taylor duo you guys need you'll probably still have a
cake walk to the NFC Central title. Two speed burners though and you guys will be
a legitimate threat to wear the ring again. Just some mindless ramblings from a
Dolphan craving Septembers arrival. Bye.

John T.
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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:49:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Chevron

Roger writes:
>I dont believe Ron Brown won the Heisman, 
>but I could be wrong ...
>
>Ty Detmer is with Green Bay 
>Doug Flutie Calgary (CFL)
>Rocket Ismail Toronto (CFL)
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>roger.

Roger, what year did Rocket win the Heisman?

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From: ae935@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jon Waler)
Subject: Re: Predictions on Rodney Hampton Wanted
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 03:50:52 GMT


You have got to believe that the Giants might have 8 receiving
touchdowns at most all year.  I would have to think that
Hampton would get at least 10 touchdowns, and a 1000 yards
easy.


Jw


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From: john@porta.b24a.ingr.com (John Nolin)
Subject: Predictions on Rodney Hampton Wanted
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:28:44 GMT

What does everyone out there in netland predict that the Giant back will
do this season?  All the football magazines that I've read place him in
the #4 - #6 range of running backs in the NFL.  I just can't but that
taking into consideration the offensive line he runs behind and the
presence of Anderson who might be used in goal line situations.
How about it Giants fans?  Am I off base here?


My prediction:

7 rushing touchdowns
2 receiving touchdowns

4 games with over 100 yds rushing

Any others care to take a guess?

-John-
Geaux Saints!
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Are preseason games necessary?
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:11:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.130527.13053@pdn.paradyne.com> lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes:
>In article <Bsru4o.KC9@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> imprint@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (IMPRINT -- UW's Student Newspaper) writes:
>>I can sympathize with your dilemma as a fan having to pay as much for
>>
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>Agreed. I don't believe that we will ever see them do away with pre-
>season (moreso for monetary reasons than for quality of play as they
>do have a different pay scale for regular  versus pre-season games).
>But,  this is precisely my point,  what other entertainment industry
>gets away with charging  their patrons the same amount for  "open to
>the public" dress rehearsals as they do for opening night?   No one!
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How about the MLB allstar game? If I recall, they charge for the practice
day before as well as the game itself. True it's not 4 or 5 practice sessions
but they do it just the same.

John T.

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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: players union was Re: No Draft Next Year?!
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 19 AUG 92 11:37:20    

In article <BILLMS.92Aug19101305@z.eecs.umich.edu>, billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes...

>In article <1992Aug18.231231.7104@pbhya.PacBell.COM> drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall) writes:
> 
>   I remember Gene Upshaw talking as though he was the head of an 
>   organizaion when the McNeil trial started. The owners were even talking as 
>   if they could negotiate a settlement. Is there something now that 
>   represents the players collectively even it's not called a union?
> 
>There are differences between various labor "unions".  A certified union has
>certain legal rights and responsibilities, though I'm not certain of what
>they are.  I know that the NFL players have *no* certified union, though I
>believe that Upshaw is the head of the existing players union.
> 
>I believe all that is necessary is for a certain majority of players to vote
>for certification, thus allowing for the closed shop rules that appear in
>other work areas (e.g. many GM plants).  This is *probably* what is needed
>for the CBA to protect the draft from an antitrust ruling, and how the nfl
>gets around the argument that an undrafted rookie hasn't signed a contract.
>How about this reasoning: a certified union agrees to accept the draft, and
>since the union is certified (and thus all players must join, though they can
>later vote to overturn the certification), a rookie can't sue because he will
>necessarily express support for the draft by being compelled to join the
>union.  This is how I *think* the legal reasoning works, but I'm certainly
>not certain.

I *think* you are right.  I know that things *can* work this way.  I 
once worked for a company (not as management but as a non-union 
employee) with which the union negotiated a lower wage scale for 
employees hired after the contract was signed.  In other words, the 
current employees got themselves a raises at the expense of new 
employees.  People hired after the contract was signed had no say in 
the deal yet they had to accept it.

It backfired though because management then had incentive to fire 
long-term employees and hire replacements that would never be paid as 
much.

> 
>Bill
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From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFL stats
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:18:18 GMT
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
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Kevin Lu (kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote:
: 
: Can anyone tell me if a players career stats. are just for the regular
: season, or do they include how they went in the pre-season as well??
: 
: Thanks
: 
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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: POOL - Separate Newsgroup?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:36:16 GMT

Last week, several people posted "Where are the results" messages after they
had already been posted.  I have also had many people say that it is hard to
find the different posts each week.

As a possible solution to some of these problems, I was considering creating
a group, "rec.sport.football.pro.pool" which would contain only my posts
about the pool and any discussion of same.  It would also be available for
any other pools that start up...

Please let me know if you have an opinion on this idea either way.  If people
seem to think it would be a useful thing, I'll do it.  If not, I won't.

If we could keep discussion of this idea on the newsgroup, it would keep my
mail spool to a less obnoxious size, but replies through email are also fine.

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From: tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman)
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 20:37:46 GMT

In article <Aug19.162521.27235@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bokenko@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey scot bokenko) writes:
>
>I would like a list of Heisman trophy winners and the teams they play on.
>Only active players would be nice.  All I can think of is the following:
>
>     Desmond Howard      Washington  (??????)
>     Hershel Walker      Philadelphia
>     Marcus Allen        Raiders
>     Ron Brown           Raiders
>     Ty Detmer           ????????
>
      Andre Ware          Lions
      V. Testeverde       Bucs

Tim.
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