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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:42:55 EST
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From:         "Gerri Oppedisano (8-863-7225)" <gerri@WATSON.IBM.COM>

> expected by chance.  For example, this does not mean that you and your
>significant other might look the same, but that if you were, say, an "8"
> on a scale of 1-10, your partner is more likely to also be an "8".
>
> Now, as far as research on the subject- the famous "computer dance
> experiment" by Walster and Berscheid, et al. (1966?) was the first to
> really propose such a hypothesis.  A few other experimental studies tried
>to show matching also, but were unsuccessful, as the BEST predictor of a
> relationship was how atractive the person was, not how SIMILAR the
> partners were.
>
> In the mid 70's, correlational studies began finding matching between
> romantic partners on global physical attractiveness.  To date, nothing has
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jon Abramowitz (Bucknell University)


My comment is, what is "Global Attractiveness", and who's the judge?
When you say a person who is an "8" is likely to have a partner who is
also an "8", do you really mean a person who is judged as an 8 by a
particular judge will likely have a partner who is also judged as an
"8" by the same judge? Or were ratings averaged scores of a number of
judges (in which case judge1 could've given couple1 an 8 and a 4, and
judge2 could've give couple1 a 4 and an 8.. neither judge rated the
partners the same, yet the averaged scores would imply that the judges
felt the partners had the same attractiveness)..

In general, I think attractiveness rating is too subjective a call. I
don't think there are any absolutes on attractiveness. I would be more
likely to believe the conclusion that couples tend to have the same sort
of look, and therefore may tend to be rated the same in level of
attractiveness by a particular judge.

g
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From:         Andres Consoli <6500EDU@UCSBUXA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Need a little help...

Peter, an excellent source of information
to help someone select his/her psychotherapy
is "The consumer's guide to psychotherapy"
written by Jack Engler and Daniel Goleman,
both Ph.D.s.  It is a "Fireside Book"
published by Simon & Schuster, 1992.
It sells for a little less than $20.00.

I hope this is useful.

Andres Consoli
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From:         PCABE@PEMBVAX1.PEMBROKE.EDU
Subject:      RE: More Bathroom Talk (Out on a limb)

John Kraft's introspective posting prompts this: It seems to me that men
at least tend to signal their presence in the restroom, e.g., by making
a noise of some sort--"splashing" as Kraft mentions, or clearing their
throat, or humming, or jingling their belt buckle, or something. Does anyone
else notice this?

The animal behavior literature suggests that some critters use vocalizations
as "proximity signals." For example, little cheeping noises among chicks and
quail let their unseen buddies know they are nearby (and perhaps in what
direction and how far away). Parallel here? Warning to maintain some distance
in the restroom?

(Don't you guys wonder what the women are making of all this? Boy, do we
sound insecure!)

Pat Cabe
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From:         maryz@ICS.UCI.EDU
Subject:      Re: Corn-ventions
              23 Jan 93 13:16:48 -0700. <9301231318.aa08951@q2.ics.uci.edu>

I'm planning on APS this year...

Where's WPA being held this year?

This is my first time posting to this group so I'll take a few
minutes to introduce myself....

My name is Mary Zmuidzinas. I'm a grad student at UC Irvine's school
of Social Ecology - it's an interdisciplinary program with 4 main areas
of specialization: Health Psychology, Human Development, Environmental
Psychology/Urban Planning and Criminology.

I'm personally interested in organizational psychology - in
particular computers and the changing workplace...

Mary
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:47:45 -0500
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From:         Rick Adams <adamsr@AIS.ORG>
Subject:      Re: More on Bathroom behavior studies. (try again)
              93 02:37:17 pm

=>    I'm wondering if this is related to women's tendency to go to the
=> bathroom together. Perhaps they are motivated by personal space invasion
=> instead of inhibited, like us guys. I also wonder if there's a good
=> sociobiological explanation, like the men who preferred more space during
=> urination while out on the hunt had more reproductive success than those
=> who got too close to their fellow hunters.  Then there's also a good
=> psychoanalytic interpretation ... which is obvious.

        And then again, perhaps the fact that - unlike a men's restroom with
visible urinals - a women's restroom offers consistent privacy for urination
plays a part.

        If a woman accompanies another woman to the restroom, the only area
in which they will both be in close proximity is the public area (sinks,
lounge - more frequent than in men's rooms - etc.), while that proximity
extends to the urinals in a men's room. Thus the "experience" being shared
is not one commonly considered private (elimination) in our society in the
case of women, but is in the case of men.

        I doubt you'll find a sociobiological explanation. Mores concerning
urination are cultural not universal. In some cultures there is no attempt
at privacy whatever during urination, while in others absolute privacy is
manditory. Rather than a sociobiological root, it would seem a more
reasonable explanation would be the increased vunerability experienced
during urination. Men who through tradition were socialized to be defensive
would, under this model, be more uncomfortable with other men (read
aggressors) present at a vunerable moment than would women who were
socialized to be supportive of the group (and thus would be MORE comfortable
when others were present as protectors at a vunerable moment).

        On the other hand, perhaps it's just a case of "locker room
inferiority complexes!" ;)


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From:         KMORGAN@WHEATNMA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Prisoner's Dilemma

Tracy,

        I can wait--for the Cowboys, too!
        Thanks!
        --Kathy Morgan
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Date:         Thu, 14 Jan 1993 17:35:28 -0700
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From:         WAGNERL@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Left-handers as achievers

Mathew Prull says:

"Anyway, those individuals who have achieved a high level of scientific
eminence in a broad range of disciplines---perhaps including
psychology---in years past typically possessed one or more of these
three personality characteristics much more often than those in the
general population:  1) they were left-handed, 2) they wore
glasses, and 3) suffered from asthma.

And of course if you possess all three then YOU WILL achieve
scientific eminence!!! "


1)  I use my left hand to play chords on the guitar.
2)  I wear sunglasses.
3)  When I run on smoggy days I sometimes develop a cough.

So will I SORT OF achieve scientific eminence?

Or am I doomed to obscurity?

Larry.
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From:         Tom Downey <downey@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CowPlop Fans

I had thought that there was some gender distinction before too, except
when I was transiting through an airport last week and much to my surprize
saw a significant number (6 or so) women (in a group of 20 or so
men) absolutely entranced with the game and shouting, cheering and jeering
with the best of them, swigging beer also.

Had one come by to ask the details on the game and score...didn't even
know who was playing...don't care...she looked rather disappointed
in me...obviously I failed her stereotype.

Tom
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From:         Kathryn Irene Snyder <IRENES@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: brainscape

I tried to send this direct to the sender, but it came back with a no-
such user message, so I apologize for posting to the list. I also would
like the addresses of the folks who wrote bBrainscape. Thanks!!!
Irene Snyder
irenes@unc.bitnet
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From:         maxwell_gwynn@CSUFRESNO.EDU
Subject: Re: TIPS

Having received so many replies concerning the address for the TIPS
(Teaching in Psychology) list, I'll post it here.
Send a one-line-only message reading:

sub tips Yourfirstyy~?name Yourlastname

to:

listserv@fre.fsu.umd.edu

It's an interesting list, particularly for those (like me) who plan on
an academic career.  Good luck!
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From:         Steven Zikopoulos <szikopou@CCS.CARLETON.CA>
Subject:      Re: Ethics
              Jan 28, 93 11:58 am

barry writes:
>
> Publish or perish, per se, is not the problem.  As I see it, the problem
> is composed of two (perhaps inseparable) components.  First there is the
> p & p component.  But compounding the problem significantly is the fact
> that the journals and other avenues refuse to publish non-significant
> results.  Seems to me that the development of a "true science" is as much
> predicated on wide dissemination of what doesn't work as it is on the
> wide dissemination of what does work.
>
> Another $.02
>
> barry
>
I agree.  I didn't know how far to take my initial response.  There's
no guarantee that modelling psychology after the natural sciences will
yield useful information.  "Hard sciences" ( or NSERC stuff) holds a
degree of respect among granting agencies and the general public.

Taking an interpretive approach is probably the kiss of death.  Who's
going to fund projects of a hermeneutic nature (in North America) ?

Cognitive science is quite a lucritive academic business as this allows
industry support.

thanks for your thoughts barry
Steve
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From:         Steven Zikopoulos <szikopou@CCS.CARLETON.CA>
Subject:      Re: REQUEST E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR Univ. of HULL (fwd)

Lynn E. Hanninen writes:
> From leh1@Lehigh.EDU Mon Jan 25 11:11:34 1993
> Message-Id: <199301251612.AA130407@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>
> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:11:45 EST
> From: leh1@Lehigh.EDU (Lynn E. Hanninen)
> X-Ack:
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> To: szikopou@ccs.carleton.ca (Steven Zikopoulos)
>
I believe Lynn meant this to be posted.
SZ


> Sorry bout this.  I hit the wrong key and now can't delete the message!
>
>
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 07:36:43 EST
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From:         Todd D Nelson <nelsont1@STUDENT.MSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Equity Theory - Some Evidence in Support
              Jan 27, 93 11:50 am

>
> Regarding equity theory - the idea that two people each bring something
> to a relationship, and the somethings are equal:
> Let's have a look at the evidence - think of some attractive women and
> their partners
>
>         Mick Jagger     - Jerry Hall
>         Billy Joel      - Christie Brinkley
>         Paul Simon      - Carrie Fisher
>         Dudley Moore    - Brogan Lane
>         Bruce Forsyth   - Wilnelia (??) (ex Miss World)
>         Paul Daniels    - Debbie McGhee

How BOUT THAT Ex-lEad sinGER FROM THE ROck GroUP thE cars: and his model-wife
(both of their names eludE ME at the moment)

there's another example to add to the list

Todd


>
> What is it that these men have to attract these women?  Youth and good
> looks?  Equity theory would suggest that they can make up for this with
> money, and they seem to have managed.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jez
>
> P.S.    What about Sean Penn and Madonna?  (;->)
>
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From:         Rick Adams <adamsr@AIS.ORG>
Subject:      Re: deep thought 2
              93 02:55:43 pm

=>
=> Awwww, you're not supposed to be SERIOUS and wreck the fun......its a joke.
=> Ever watch saturday night live?
=>
        You mean SNL is supposed to be _funny_?

        Are you sure?

        Aaaarrrgggggggghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!


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From:         Jon Abramowitz <abramwtz@CORAL.BUCKNELL.EDU>
Subject:      the matching hypothesis

I would be interested in knowing what people think of the "matching
hypothesis".  A little background...

The principle states that romantic couples (and same sex friends) are more
likely to be of similar levels of physical attractiveness than would be
expected by chance.  For example, this does not mean that you and your
significant other might look the same, but that if you were, say, an "8"
on a scale of 1-10, your partner is more likely to also be an "8".

Now, as far as research on the subject- the famous "computer dance
experiment" by Walster and Berscheid, et al. (1966?) was the first to
really propose such a hypothesis.  A few other experimental studies tried
to show matching also, but were unsuccessful, as the BEST predictor of a
relationship was how atractive the person was, not how SIMILAR the
partners were.

In the mid 70's, correlational studies began finding matching between
romantic partners on global physical attractiveness.  To date, nothing has
been published on components of physical attractiveness matching.  many of
these studies also are biased in that the people judging the couples knew
who was going out with whom.

Well, i hope i havn't bored you!  I find this a curious hypothesis.
Comments please...

Thanks,

Jon Abramowitz (Bucknell University)
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Subject:      Re: the matching hypothesis

Tammy,  What's wrong with correlational data?  Is it "lesser" than
other data?

--just my two cents worth, being picky about word choice.

tracy

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Subject: Re: the matching hypothesis
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:58:35 GMT
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Just checking!!!  Sorry to be so defensive, but I was curious to see
if you thought correlational data was insufficient or lacking in some
fashion.

        By the way, if any of you who know me say I look like my
dog... (Matt Prull, Tor, etc. etc.)  ;-)

keep up the conversatiion, very interesting!!!


Does anyone know the Zajonc reference Matt Prull mentioned?  I may go
look it up!!

Also, has anyone besides me noticed that as per conference
presentaions (posters, anyway) attrativeness seems to be the zeitgeist
right now???


(thanks, Tammy!!)


trace

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From:         ECO_GXC@SHSU.BITNET
Subject:      RE: bathroom ethics

Jeez... but from my criteria I *could* get a telephoto night vision
lens and go to favorite teenage 'parking' areas, or perhaps drive-in
movies and unobtrusively observe all sorts of courtship and sexual
behavior. why is that different from unobtrusively observing
people at shopping malls?

Comments?

*yawn*
Laters!
Betty


----- the distinction here is the legal concept of a reasonable
expectation of privacy.  Such an expectation certainly exists in
a bathroom but does not in a shopping mall.  There is more to
ethics than a campus review committee.  A bunch of academics snooping
around and peeking at people in bathrooms would make a great
newspaper article.  Would you want to be the academic featured in
that article?  -----gary carson
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From:         THOMPSOK@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU
Subject: Re: CowPlop Fans

Margaret,
I happen to love football and watch it with or without men in my presence. I
haven't noticed if they ignore me while we're watching because I'm usually
ignoring them and paying attention to the great plays and John Madden's unique
and hilarious sportscaster style.  So, maybe the whole issue is not gender-
specific as you suggest.  I refrain from rude bodily noises during games, but
then so do my fellow male football enthusiasts.
Karen
Claremont Grad School
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From:         Todd D Nelson <nelsont1@STUDENT.MSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: the matching hypothesis
              employer of dubious verbiage" at Jan 26, 93 6:31 pm

>
> Todd,   Forgive my lack of coolness...what is MPA??  Is that a
> regional conference?  I thought all the cool people were out here in
> Cal and the northwest, anyway!!!  ;-)

Tracy,

You're forgiven. (ha,ha). MPA is the regional conference: Midwestern
Psychological Association. no,no,no......here in the great midwest, you have
the BIG 10 universities, and yours truly, so of course that means that here is
the 'cool' capital of the psych world (midwest). NO? OK, here and you nutty
californ-eye-ay folks.

 > (so does this mean you're for the bills?  Yuch!!  :-)   ) >
> trace
>
YEP!!  "DA BILLS!"

Todd
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