HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rkrouse@netcom.com (Robert K. Rouse)
Subject: Extraterrestrial Contact Symposium
Keywords: EXtraterrestrial
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:13:45 GMT



  I got a flyer about this UFO event.  If you know of other
  UFO related events please post them in this group.



  Extraterrestrial Contact - The Meaning and The Message

	Saturday, Oct 10, 1992   10:00am to 9:30pm

	Physical Sciences Lecture Hall, UC Berkeley

	Sponsored bt The Society for the Advancement of 
	Civilization & The First Sunday Study Group

	Tickets are 30$

	For more information:

		Berkeley Symposium
		P.O. Box 9073
		Berkeley, CA 94709-9073

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            Robert K. Rouse		rkrouse@netcom.com
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 18:01:46 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Subject: Death Valley Space People Gold. 
  Some information came to me lately about an ancient city in the Death Valley 
area. It seems that a man was checking out an old mine when the bottom of 
the shaft gave way and he wound up in a tunnel that turned out to be a 
natural tunnel that went for more than 20 miles. I just got back from the 
National Geological Survey in Menlo Park, Calif. and purchased a map called 
Death Valley National Monument and Vicinity, California; Nevada 
N3530-W11615/110X90 1972, revised 1977 and the information given me does 
make sense. The mine that he was in was near Wingate Pass and the tunnel 
extends north in the Panamint Mountains. These are the prospectors words; 
The tunnel was like a big cave. It leads all through a great underground 
city; through the treasure vaults, the royal palace and the council 
chambers, and it connects to a series of beautiful galleries with stone 
arches in the east slope of the Panamint Mountains.  Those arches are like 
great big windows in the side of the mountain and they look down on Death 
Vallley. They're  high above the valley now, but we believe that those 
entrances in the mountain side were used by the ancient people that built 
the city.  They used to land their boats there. Many years ago Death Valley 
was full of water up to the 4,500 feet level of the mountains and the people 
living there would bring their boats to the arches and walk inside the 
mountain.  
  We found a very large room that had about one hundred dead armed men 
standing around the wall.  Their spears and shields were made of gold.  
There was also a large table that had many noble looking people around it. 
At the end of this table their was a statue that was made of solid gold. 
It's height was established as being 89 feet and 6 inches. We used a textant 
to determine it's height.
End Part 1.
John Winston.
Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:7190 sci.skeptic:17506
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:59:03 EDT
From: <KAJ113@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time

I agree with you. I think.  A few years ago, while I was still in high school,
I was talking to this guy who was filming a video yearbook for our school.
While I was interviewing him we somehow got on the subject of UFO's and such.
Anyway, he told me about the book "Faces of Mars".  I don't remember everything
he said, but I do remember it was very convincing. Ever since I have been
trying to get a copy of that book but cannot seem to find it.  Do you know
who the author was? I find this topic very interesting, however I regret not
knowing much about it.  I believe that there is life out there somewhere and
that maybe this life has much to offer our society.  There shouldn't be any
reason to be so afraid of finding out the truth. Or should there?
                                Thanks josh,  Kimberly
From: titan@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Titanium Knight)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: UFOs and the Bible.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 00:35:09 CDT
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

Interesting that people keep going back to the Bible on this subject.  In 
the end times, there will be signs in the sky!  I believe UFOs are the 
signs.  Everybody keeps saying that these are the end times, and I am
inclined to believe it (I'm a Christian too).  UFOs could be increased 
spirtual activity as the angels (good and bad) get ready for the final
battle.  Remember, there is a war going on in the spirtual realm!
 
[TK] - Titanium Knight

--- (Titanium Knight) a user of sys6626, running waffle 1.64
E-mail: titan@sys6626.bison.mb.ca
system 6626: 63 point west drive, winnipeg manitoba canada R3T 5G8
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Dreams of encounters...
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:25:36 GMT
Organization: Wesleyan University

concerning the question whether dreams involving aliens are a sign of an actual
abduction, i have been told by someone i believe to know more about the whole
thing than me that the answer is a definate maybe...
i can understand the fear that has been discussed...i have remembered two
dreams involving aliens and i don't think i've EVER been as scared as in those
dreams...
anyone else have some information on this?

Jude
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Subject: Re: nuts
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:00:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.181500.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsgah@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
>I saw an alien once when I was on a midnight stroll down to Farmers loop road
>from my house.  There was a bright light in the sky and before I knew it there
>I was on an operating table having my nuts cut off, I was really scared but
>when the operation was over I felt very good about myself.
>
>

was this the night of the Rocky Mountain Oysters special at the
Farmers Loop Restaurant?

-- 
-- Pat Monardo
-- pjm@cshl.org
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon)
Subject: Re: voting???
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 18:09:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Arbiting Arguments for Planet Earth
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors

In article <369@mindlink.bc.ca> Colleen Anderson writes:

>Hi, this is to Rick.  My system seems a bit screwed and I tried to email you my
>vote.  Please let me know if you received it.  Thanks.  Colleen :)

Readers are reminded to send all votes to Earth@ed.ac.uk.  I can't do anything
with them.  Nothing interesting, anyway.

-- 
Rick Gordon      | "Often in error, never in doubt." 
rickg@netcom.com |   --- Universal Marketing Department motto
Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:6961 talk.bizarre:31759
From: shanwang@sara.cc.utu.fi
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: *_-_*_UFO_in_Alps_*_-_*
Date: 26 Sep 92 19:07:02 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

In article <1992Sep20.154147.8926@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, reese@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    ( stuff deleted ) 
>    This is my favourite posting of the week. 
>    Jason
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    Thank you, Resse. You will see more hose your favourite stuffs in
>    the comn week !!! Next week we plan to go to sahara. But dont  be
>    frighten by it :) We find a jeep, plenty of water, a TV and  good
>    guide of course ...
>
>    So just hope maybe this time will be Ok !!!
>
>    We are about to look for some historical site where it's said a UFO
>    had crashed there. 
>
>    So talk to you all tomorrow !!!
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau)
Subject: Re: Vallee's Revelations
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 19:12:53 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Sep28.121546.22017@rayssd.ssd.ray.com> plw@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (White) writes:
>Now that Vallee's book Revelations has come out in paperback, I 
>picked it up.  Thank God. 
>
>Reading the book has provided a psychological attenuator for 
>much of the Cooper/Lear/UMMO/Pleidian/fill in your own fringe group
>noise that has threatened to drown any interest I may have had in 
>the UFO phenomenon.  

Too broad-minded and open for you, emm?
>
>Vallee's interviews and research and his clear writing style take
>one through the tangled stories and the hidden agendas of their 
>participants.  Vallee's reputation allows him access to these people
>that the normal person with an interest in the UFO culture would not
>have.  Then he asks the hard questions.
>
>For example, if there is a secret base under Area 51, "Who takes out
>the garbage?"  "Why haven't any of the civilian surveying satellites
>picked any traces of this base?" etc.

I have not read the book, but seems like we KNOW there is a base there,
so these arguments seem fairly beyond reason...
It's really just a matter of  WHAT are they doing there, and what
kinds of vehicles are test flown there?

>Vallee's conclusion is that disinformation is probably the reason
>for most of this noise. Citing the intelligence background of
>Cooper/Lear/Moore et al, a vague pattern emerges.  However, the 
>reason behind the coordinated feeding and care of the disinformation
>campaign cannot be firmly grasped.

Of course there is a lot of disinformation regarding these issues. It is
fairly common knoledge that the ONI and CIA are constanly feuding and
that Cooper has Navy connections and Lear has CIA connections, but it
is also that wisps of the truth slip out along with the disinformation...
JV didn't come up with this on his own, it's well known.
>
>So I recommend this book, if you follow this newsgroup and your
>kill file is getting larger and larger.

I have said this before to several people and will repeat it here:

JV is not main-stream. He is a loaner, predisposed to many ideas that
the community of UFO researchers would not always agree with, so keep
that in mind when you read his books. He is highly opinionated, and 
could quite possibly be very misguided in his conclusions...

Jeff-


Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: AAV Archives
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:36:15 GMT


Occasionally I have seen requests for information on past articles in 
alt.alien.visitors. If you desire something, I have the entire newsgroup
archive back to July 13, 1992. I access it frequently. I have no way to 
ftp it to another system for public access but would be glad to email portions
of it upon request. The responses are not quaranteed to be correct or complete.

You can email me at gvb@acd4.acd.com and I will do my best. 

Gregg

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From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Kill File (Help!)
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:55:29 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep29.083909.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>, matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
> Help!  How do I initiate a kill file?  I'm on a VAX system, and I can't
> seem to get my kill file to work... and believe me, there are a lot of
> files I don't want to browse through on this group!  Anyone out there
> have a clue?
> 
> Thanks, in advance

There are a few newsreaders for VMS so we really need to know which one.
Probably the most common is ANU news; in which case HELP KILL will tell
you all.

-- 

Alan Greig                            Janet: Alan@UK.AC.DUNDEE-TECH
Dundee Institute of Technology	   Internet: Alan@DCT.AC.UK
Tel: (0382) 308810
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.binaries.pictures.misc
From: dah@tko.vtt.fi (David Harwood)
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Keywords: mars observer, citys or rocks, confirmation one way or the other, side bets
Organization: VTT
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 11:50:56 GMT

In article <schumach.718335201@convex.convex.com> schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) writes:
>In <1992Oct5.192715.13238@rtfm.mlb.fl.us> joshua@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Joshua Geller) writes:
>
>>you raise an interesting technical point; it is my understanding that the
>>camera on the viking also couldn't be aimed as such, and yet we got these
>>provocative photos.
>
>So Viking got lucky. The Observer high res camera will see very narrow
>swaths in the direction that it happens to be pointing;
>it can't be aimed without turning the entire 
>spacecraft....
__________
I don't mean to interrupt this discussion, but I recall seeing an
interview with a NASA representative on a CNN science report
about the new Mars observing satellite. As I recall, he said they
would take a new look at the Mars 'face' formation. (Also these
satellites (and HR camera) can be and are directed. The fact that they
are used to survey arcs is another issue - of procedure of survey while
moving. [To be sure, I doubt that anyone at NASA believes the "face"
is an artificial formation.]
From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Where is the driven Planetoid?
Date: 5 Oct 92 05:21:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

I think the Lond Bell force destroyed it.

Oops! Sorry, wrong asteroid. ;>

Grand Admiral Jorgen Tacitus
Cinc Terran Navy
Fleet Headquarters
Festung Iserlohn
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Future Lunar Colonist      |  are going to the stars." Anonymous
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From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Vallee's Revelations
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:51:31 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes:
	I second this, and wish to add a couple of comments.

... I third it.  JV is very readable writer, and says a lot of
interesting things.

Charles
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jcatesii@nyx.cs.du.edu (James Cates III)
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 08:51:56 GMT


First item: Why always refer to intials? Who's R. supposed to be?
            An initial means nothing to most readers. Absolutely nada.

Second    : Mu is what some claim to be a lost continent that was
            in the middle of the Pacific Ocean somewhere.

Re. the Sara-'Babytalk' item: How about a source for the info? How
about a source other than the std. 'National Examiner'?
From: David.Grant@f146.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Grant)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: TALK WITH ALIENS!
Date: 25 Sep 92 09:52:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:19/146 - The Ark BBS, Hot Springs AR

Believe me when I say that I am not trying to be a twit....
 
But I really would like to meet some ALIENS...  Maybe take a ride on a
flying saucer....
 
:-)
--  
David Grant - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: David.Grant@f146.n19.z1.FIDONET.ORG
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: joshua@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Keywords: mars observer, citys or rocks, confirmation one way or the other, side bets
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:27:15 GMT

schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) writes:

>You're on: my hundred dollars that the stupid "Face" is natural
>against your dollar that the "face" is artificial, with the 
>proviso that WE mutually agree on the decision. No appeal to
>any third party: this will put your integrity and mine on
>public trial. What say you? (I must say that I don't expect 
>the Mars Observer to return a high resolution image of the thing,
>because the high resolution camera can't really be aimed...)

sure, that sounds good.

you raise an interesting technical point; it is my understanding that the
camera on the viking also couldn't be aimed as such, and yet we got these
provocative photos. another valid point that you raise is that the verdict
might be 'insufficient evidence'.

the 'face' by itself, to me, wouldn't be all that exciting. the geometric
relationships between the 'face', 'city', 'D&M pyramid', 'fortress', 'straight
wall' etc are what, to me, raises the possibility that these might be 
artificial constructions.

one of the more interesting points in hoagland's book is his statement that
half a million years ago the (solstitial? either that or equinoctial) sun
rose over the 'wall' and 'face' as seen from the center of the 'city'. has
anyone else bothered to work this out?

josh




Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: dah@tko.vtt.fi (David Harwood)
Subject: Re: NASA TO BEGIN SEARCH FOR INHABITED PLANETS
Organization: VTT
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:00:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.132953.22159@moxie.hou.tx.us> anna@moxie.hou.tx.us (Anna Anderson) writes:
>
>> From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
>> Subject: HRMS Press Kit
>> Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro
>> Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:57:16 GMT
>
>              NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION
>               HIGH RESOLUTION MICROWAVE SURVEY (HRMS)
>                            PRESS KIT
>
>OCTOBER 1992
>
>PUBLIC AFFAIRS CONTACTS
>
>NASA HEADQUARTERS, WASHINGTON, D.C.
>Office of Space Science and Applications
....
>     The Targeted Search will perform the most sensitive search
>ever conducted of solar-type stars less than 100 light-years
>distant.  The Targeted Search begins from the world's largest
>radio telescope at the National Astronomy and Ionosphere Center's
>Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico.  It is operated for the
>National Science Foundation by Cornell University.
....
>TARGETED SEARCH
>
>     Scientists at NASA's Ames Research Center will conduct the
>Targeted Search portion of the HRMS.
>
>     The Targeted Search will examine 1,000 nearby solar-type
>stars within 100 light years distance from Earth (one light year
>is approximately 5.9 trillion miles).  The objective is to test
>the hypothesis that extraterrestrial technologies are
>transmitting radio signals whose characteristics are greatly different
>from natural sources of radio emissile sensitivity, the largest
>available radio telescopes will be used to conduct the Targeted
>Search.  The number of targets covered will be much larger than
>previous searches, and the range of frequencies covered will be
>thousands of times greater than all previous searches combined.
....
>
>     After the discovery has been verified, national and
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    
>international authorities are to be informed.  News of the
                                                        ^^^^^
>confirmed discovery then will be disseminated promptly, openly
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and widely through scientific channels and the news media.  All data
>necessary for the confirmation of the detection will be made
>available to the international scientific community through
>publications, meetings, conferences and other appropriate means.
>
>     No response to any confirmed signal will be sent from Earth
>until appropriate international consultations have occurred.
>
\\\\\\\

What's this about confirming "the discovery"?
Have they already made "a discovery"?
Strange phrasing.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: klaes@verga.enet.dec.com (Larry Klaes)
Subject: SETI Articles Available in EJASA Back Issues
Keywords: EJASA, SETI
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:12:20 GMT

        A number of articles about SETI (Search for ExtraTerrestrial
    Intelligence) have been published in the Electronic Journal of the 
    Astronomical Society of the Atlantic (EJASA) since its founding in 
    August of 1989.  

        This journal appears each month on USENET's sci.astro, sci.space, 
    sci.space.news, and sci.misc newsgroups.  The EJASA is dedicated to 
    space education and the encouragement of authoring and publishing 
    astronomy and space exploration articles by net users in a formal 
    format. 

        Below is a list of these SETI articles and the EJASA issues they
    are in.  The articles also contain numerous references to books and
    periodicals on the subject of SETI.  You may receive these issues
    through anonymous FTP from  chara.gsu.edu (131.96.5.29)

        "Does Extraterrestrial Life Exist?", by Angie Feazel - November 1989

        "Suggestions for an Intragalactic Information Exchange System",
           by Lars W. Holm - November 1989

        "Radio Astronomy: A Historical Perspective", by David J. Babulski
           - February 1990

        "Getting Started in Amateur Radio Astronomy", by Jeffrey M. Lichtman
           - February 1990

        "A Comparison of Optical and Radio Astronomy", by David J. Babulski
           - June 1990

        "The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) in the Optical 
           Spectrum, Parts A-F", by Dr. Stuart A. Kingsley - January 1992

        "History of the Ohio SETI Program", by Robert S. Dixon - June 1992

        "New Ears on the Sky: The NASA SETI Microwave Observing Project"
           by the ARC and JPL SETI Project - July 1992

        If you require any further assistance in regards to the EJASA
    and SETI, please let me know.

        Larry Klaes  klaes@verga.enet.dec.com
		     or - ...!decwrl!verga.enet.dec.com!klaes
    		     or - klaes%verga.dec@decwrl.enet.dec.com
                     or - klaes%verga.enet.dec.com@uunet.uu.net

             "All the Universe, or nothing!" - H. G. Wells

        EJASA Editor, Astronomical Society of the Atlantic
From: Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: TALK WITH ALIENS!
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 23:48:52 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <92272.205813JKC3@psuvm.psu.edu>

I heard somewhere that there is a law against talking to aliens,  we could
get a $10,000. fine from the federal govt. for communicating with aliens.
Has anyone else heard this?  I think I heard it from G. Green so I am
not sure how true it is.
DS
From: boucher@csl.sri.com (Peter K. Boucher)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: TALK WITH ALIENS!
Date: 6 Oct 1992 22:02:11 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Lab, SRI International
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: omaha.csl.sri.com


In article <BvFvqA.9n@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli) writes:
|> In article <66960@cup.portal.com> Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com writes:
|> > 
|> > I heard somewhere that there is a law against talking to aliens,  we could
|> > get a $10,000. fine from the federal govt. for communicating with aliens.
|> > Has anyone else heard this?  I think I heard it from G. Green so I am
|> > not sure how true it is.

This applies only to illegal aliens.  you can talk to them if they have a 
green card.
-- 
Peter K. Boucher
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