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From: dbradley@NeoSoft.com (Dennis Bradley)
Subject: 386/sx For Sale
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Distribution: houston
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:07:41 GMT
Keywords: computer,forsale,386,386sx


I have an NEC PowerMate 386sx 20 Mhz PC forsale.
It is in mint condition complete with the following :


40 mb ide drive
4MB ram simm upgrades to 12MB , 16MB max
SVGA video will run up to 800x600/16
Paradise video chips
1 serial 1 parallel ports
mouse port
101 key keyboard
5.25 / 1.2MB floppy
2 1/2 ht expansion slots
4 open 16 bit slots
cyrix math coproc.            
etc etc etc


If you are interested call me at 713-897-6521 days
or Email dbradley@sugar.neosoft.com

                           Dennis



Newsgroups: houston.forsale
From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera)
Subject: 85 Subaru GL 4 DR Sedan
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: houston
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:52:57 GMT

FOR SALE

1985 Subaru GL 4 door Sedan

Ugly (see below).  Runs well.

Features:
		5 Speed
		Air Conditioner
		Power Locks/Windows
		AM/FM/cassette
		Anti-Theft Engine Lock

		All Service Records
		Engine tuned up yearly
		Oil changed every 6000 miles
		Extra tire in trunk (in addition to spare)


Service:	The following items have been replaced over the years:

		Timing Belts
		Water Pump
		Radiator
		Exhaust System / Catalytic Converter
		CV Joints
		Clutch
                Assorted Hoses


Blemishes/Quirks:

		Dented rear bumper
		Dented hood (nice deer print!)
		Paint peeling from left rear panel
		Speedometer illumination does not work
		Left Roor Door cannot open from inside (stuck child-lock)
		
Someone who knows body work/painting could make this car a nice project.
This car w/o blemishes is selling for ~2400-2500 used.  In light of the
above (plus high mileage), I'm asking $1100 or best offer.  Any offer will 
be listened to.  Must sell, but not necessarily in a hurry.  Call Rob
and leave message at 794-0566 or send email.



		


-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

        "You win collectively, and you lose collectively.  Right now, 
         we stink collectively." - Andy Van Slyke
Xref: sparky houston.forsale:464 dfw.forsale:775 austin.forsale:2475 misc.forsale:31235
From: sunil@cs.uh.edu (Sunil Kumar Sreenivasan)
Newsgroups: houston.forsale,dfw.forsale,austin.forsale,misc.forsale
Subject: 1992 Tercel for sale
Date: 16 Nov 1992 18:17:14 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodin.cs.uh.edu

------------------ POSTING FOR A FRIEND -----------------

CAR FOR SALE

1992 Toyota Tercel DX

4 Door, 5 Speed, 13,600 miles, Frosted mint (light metallic green) color.

A/C, am/fm cassette, power steering.

Well maintained (with records).  Have to leave the country.

Phone; Off: (713)743-8225
		
       Res; (713)778-0670


PRICE: $9000.00 Negotiable

E-mail : sunil@cs.uh.edu


PLEASE NOTE : I am posting this for a friend and the e-mail
address is mine. However, while messages to this account
are guaranteed to be passed on, phone enquiries will be
much quicker.
Newsgroups: houston.forsale
From: ycliu@cs.tamu.edu (Yao-Ching Liu)
Subject: Car Sale
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Distribution: tx
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:06:25 GMT
Expires: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:00:00 GMT

Moving Sale:


1987 Ford Taurus GL Wagon  

 Automatic transmission
 Air conditioning
 AM/FM cassette stereo
 Cruise control
 Power windows, locks 
 six cylinder 
 90 k miles

asking : $3,500 (negotiable)

e-mail: ycliu@cs.tamu.edu
or call liu@ (409)846-3107 at  12:00-14:00 or 17:00-19:00

Newsgroups: houston.forsale
From: rogue@taronga.com (Tony Fogle)
Subject: SIMMs for trade
Reply-To: rogue@taronga.com (Tony Fogle)
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Distribution: houston
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 04:04:12 GMT


In response to z_nixsp@ccsvax.sfasu.edu:
>Last time I checked... 4 meg SIMMS were as good or better of a deal than
>meg SIMMS, so I doubt that you are going to get anyone that wants to give
>you more for less unless you find someone out there that just doesn't
>some 4 meg SIMMS lying around.
...
Well, here is the modified offer.  I didn't know what the 32bit memory
chips were worth, but I finally found that they retail for about $150.
AND, they're actually 4 meg SIMMs (1x32=4 megs).
So:
I need eight 4 meg SIMMS, 70ns or better.  
I'll trade for (I'll pay shipping)
Twelve 1 meg 1x9 (9 chip) TI SIMMS (70ns),
Eight  1 meg 1x9 (9 chip) TI SIMMS (80ns), and 
Seven  4 meg 1x36 (70ns) Samsung KMM5361000AG-7 72pin EISA SIMMs
Thanks
rogue@taronga.com
Newsgroups: houston.forsale
From: vlcoleman@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (vicki coleman)
Subject: Canon BJ-130 Bubble-jet Printer For Sale
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company
Distribution: tx
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:23:13 GMT

Canon BJ-130 Bubble-Jet Printer, in excellent
condition.

	$250.00   OBO 

Contact Vicki Coleman at
	713-282-6259   (work)
	713-486-6864   (home)

I also have a couple of extra ink cartridges
that I will include.

--
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Vicki Coleman                             |    Internet address:
Lockheed Missiles & Space Company         |    byow@mcimail.com
From: lautensc@sdl.egr.uh.edu (Uwe  Lautenschlager)
Newsgroups: houston.forsale
Subject: Color TV Sale
Date: 23 Nov 1992 21:45:30 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdl.egr.uh.edu

Color TV for sale (15 or 17 inches, I'm not sure)
Price: $ 50
Good Condition
No Remote Control

If you are interested, please contact
Uwe Lautenschlager
(W) 743-4399
(H) 787-9235
or
lautensc@tree.egr.uh.edu or lautensc@129.7.4.33
From: zsi@cs.uh.edu (Zsolt Lukacs)
Newsgroups: houston.forsale
Subject: ROOM for RENT
Date: 18 Nov 1992 04:25:58 GMT
Organization: Computer Science dept.,  Univ. of Houston (Main Campus)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodin.cs.uh.edu
Keywords: rent
Originator: zsi@rodin


	Room for RENT at:

		COUGAR PLACE (University of Houston campus)

	from:
		 early DECEMBER 

	to:
		 late JANUARY, 

	or any portions of this interval.

	Call ASAP (preferably before November 26):

		(713) 743-7790.

	Leave message.

	Rate: $65/week (neg.)
From: st1me@rosie.uh.edu (Cheung, Hiuching)
Newsgroups: houston.forsale
Subject: Mazda 626 $1,200
Date: 20 Nov 1992 11:06 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    


                Cold air, AM/FM cassette, 
          	Stardard, Rebuilt engine 10K
    		Reliable!!

		   $1,200 negotiable.

		Send me email or call 748-2512 Galaxy.
From: kristian@dwayne (Kristian Simsarian)
Subject: UofC AI Laboratory Seminar November 21 - Brian Funt
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:12:58 GMT


	       U N I V E R S I T Y  o f  C H I C A G O
			   ---------------
		  A I   S E M I N A R   S E R I E S


DATE:	MONDAY, NOVEMBER 23

TIME:	2:30 PM

PLACE:	RYERSON 277

GUEST SPEAKER:	BRIAN FUNT from Simon Fraser University

TALK TITLE:	COMPUTATIONAL COLOR VISION

ABSTRACT:

For a long time many vision researchers seemed to feel that working
with black-and-white images removed color issues from consideration.
Black and white `seemed' simpler-- less data, less complexity.
However, ignoring color only represses many important problems since
any black-and-white picture is necessarily an image of a colorful
world and the colors in the world affect the shades of grey in the
image.  Color's effects are not limited to simple changes in albedo,
but include the less obvious color-dependent changes due to
interreflections between surfaces as well as specular reflections.  As
a result, some computer vision problems drastically simplify given the
extra information provided by color.

In this talk I will address two questions:

(i) How does color facilitate other aspects of visual perception?

(ii) How do we obtain color descriptors that do not depend on the
qualities of the incident illumination? 

In answer to these questions, I will try and present an intuitive
summary of several of my recent research results which show:

--how color simplifies shape from shading;

--how color enables the removal of confusing interreflections from
images;

--how color facilitates fast recognition of objects; 

--how color sensors can be spectrally sharpened to improve the
performance of many existing color constancy methods (eg., retinex,
CRULE, von Kries adaptation);

--how retinex analysis of color can be generalized to varying
resolution sensors (like the eye's) by exploiting their conformal
mapping properties.

		*** Tea in Ryerson 255 after the talk ***

Visitor's Host:  Michael Swain



[ The University of Chicago AI Laboratory sponsors a series of seminar
speakers each academic quarter. These seminars are generally of
interest to those outside the department and are open to the greater
Chicago AI community.  The department is located in Ryerson Hall at
1100 E.  58th street on the main University of Chicago quadrangle.
Seminars are usually held in Ryerson 276.]

-- 
Kristian T. Simsarian			University of Chicago AI Laboratory
email: kristian@cs.uchicago.edu		CS Dept. Chicago, IL 60637
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: jpaulw@cbnewse.cb.att.com (john.p.wrycza)
Subject: Re: Volvo repair in North Chicago/Evanston/Skokie?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: chi
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:09:33 GMT
Summary: John Peterson, Petersen Automotive - SAAB/Volvo - Swedish car
	 repair - excellent work, highly recommended, very experienced,
	 downside, loves to talk, sleep and breath Swedish cars
Keywords: Volvo Car Repair

In article <1992Nov22.235323.6866@news.acns.nwu.edu>, stevew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Steven Weinstein) writes:
> Does anyone know of a good Volvo mechanic in the Northern Chicago, Evanston,
> or Skokie area?  I have a 1983 240 Turbo.
> 
>                                                    Thanks, Steve Weinstein
To: att-mt!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!stevew
Subject: Re: Volvo repair in North Chicago/Evanston/Skokie?
In-reply-to: your article <1992Nov22.235323.6866@news.acns.nwu.edu>
News-Path: att!linac!uchinews!uxa.ecn.bgu.edu!news.ils.nwu.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!stevew

There in ONLY one place you should take you Volvo/SAAB -
Petersen Automotive (near Skokie) - I've known
several people who have taken their cars there, never
once heard a bad story - I finally took my car there this
year - very professional - He's noted in all the SAAB
club newsletters - works only on Volvo/SAAB - keeps a lot
of old ones running for what seems like forever.
 One downside, he lives, breaths, and sleeps Swedish cars,
don't get him started in a coversation - it will never
end... He has time for his customers, how rare!

John Wrycza AT&T/ Bell Labs 708=224-7279
Xref: sparky chi.general:1629 uiuc.general:1098
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 23 Nov 1992 12:37:27 CST
From: Michael Lanski <U20139@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: chi.general,uic.general,uiuc.general,uic.news.deadbeats
Subject:  Deadbeats winter 92-93 schedule

C'mon out and celebrate the holidays with us!
Cain't do it without you...

Check the HOTLINE to keep up on any changes or late additions!  :-)
              ===> (708) 864-3775 <===
Wed Nov 25  WRIGLEYSIDE  3537 N. Clark, Chicago (312) 525-5908
Fri Nov 27  HEARTLAND CAFE  7001 N. Glenwood, Chicago  (312) 465-8005
            Outstanding food, and Acoustic music begins at 11 PM
Fri Dec 4   Weird Alert:  Jack & Mark from the Deadbeats and John Kattke
            and Paul Streff from Brother John's Band get together to
            make a special night at BRIXIE'S in Brookfield 708-387-0050
Fri Dec 11  PLAYHOUSE  7407 Madison, Forest Park       (708) 366-6363
Sat Dec 12  We have an unconfirmed date - call the hotline to check!!!
Sun Dec 13  WRIGLEYSIDE 4th Annual Party with the Deadbeats and a bunch
            of other nuts like Freddy Jones, and who else?  9 PM sharp!
Thu Dec 17  ABBEY PUB  3420 W. Grace, Chicago (312) 478-4408
            This is a live video shoot for cable TV - join in.
Fri Dec 18  CZAR'S   The mostest rockin'est bar in St. Joseph, MI
Sat Dec 19  CZAR'S   St. Joseph MI - Make it a two nighter!  %v)
Wed Dec 23  FITZGERALD'S  6618 W. Roosevelt, Berwyn IL (708) 788-2118
            Early Start! ==> DEADBEATS: 9-10:30;    Freddy Jones 11:12:30
Sat Dec 26  WRIGLEYSIDE  3537 N. Clark 312-525-5908 DEADBEATS 10:30-12:30
            Jaw Potato plays 1:00-2:30
Wed Dec 30  BRIXIE'S  9526 W. Ogden, Brookfield IL, (708) 387-0050
            Opener: John Kattke's BROTHER JOHN'S BAND @ 9:30
Sat Jan 2   CLEARWATER SALOON  3937 N. Lincoln, Chi IL (312) 549-5599
Fri Jan 8   CLUB DE WASH  Madison, WI (608) 251-3302
Sat Jan 9   CALLAHAN'S  104 E. Main  St. Charles IL  (708) 377-6634
Every Wednesday in November: Deadbeats @ WRIGLEYSIDE 3527 N. Clark, Chi
* * * Give a call and leave a message for the Deadbeats * * *
===>    Hotline  (708) 864-3775   UNI-ERSK
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Short-Term notes (Was Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!)
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance, short-term notes
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: chi
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:50:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.142856.9642@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly) writes:

>In article <1992Nov16.233210.25627@cbnewsc.cb.att.com>,
>res@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Rich Strebendt) writes:

>> I do not expect to see that happen.  Historically, the Democrats solve
>> that problem quite handily -- they just print more money.

>No, that was Reagan's solution.  The Dems were into "tax and spend";
>they at least understood that somebody had to be dunned for it.
>Ronnie amended that to "spend and spend".  But both parties claim
>to have seen the light now.  No, I'm not holding my breath.

That may have been Reagan's implementation, but it definitely wasn't
his goal.  Had he had unilateral control over the budget, it would
have been balanced in year one.

>We survived the last 12, and the 4 before that.  It's hard to
>imagine even more incompetence than Carter, more senility than
>Reagan, more meanspiritedness than Bush, more stupidity than
>Quayle.  Somehow we manage.

Talk about meanspirited.  Reagan was not and is not senile.  Quayle
is not stupid.  And Bush is not meanspirited, merely realistic and of
a value system inconsistent with yours.  (I'll have to agree about Carter.)

There is plenty to beef about in our leaders; it isn't necessary to
apply unkind and inaccurate labels to them.

-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
Newsgroups: chi.general
From: hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain)
Subject: Toyota on Western SUCKS! Dont buy there!
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:43:28 GMT

I just got completely taken for a ride at Toyota on Western and so want to 
warn everyone interested in going there to purchase a car.  Since I
bought a used VW Jetta '88 from there, I cant speak for their new cars
but can tell you about their attitudes.  I am currently drafting a letter
to Toyota Motor Corp., Toyota Credit Corp., The Atourney general,
and the Better Business Bureau to inform them of their business practices.

This is what basically happened.  My wife and I decided to buy a car
a few months back with a set amount of money.  What we decided to
do was purchase a used car or a new one in the same price range 
($7-8,000, the less the better).  We found the VW Jetta '88 with
only 44K miles for that price.  On driving it it seemed good and every
thing seemed functional.  Signed the deed.  

On getting home, we found that the windshield had a crack in it.  It had
been hidden by the Sale Sticker they put on it.  I called them up and
they tried to get out of it but in the end agreed to have it replaced.  Then
I started to notice that the car was overheating.  The temp gague was going
way high.  Also the dash lights flicked off the next day!!!!
I had it looked at by someone else near where I live.  I was
told that the car was not overheating at all but that the wiring under the 
dash was totally burned out.  It would have to be shown to a VW dealer.
Great!  All the excitement about getting a new car was gone.  They also 
told me that the transmission was leaking which would be about $600
to fix.  I took the car back to Toyota on Western.  Ironically, on my
way there smoke started coming out of the vents when I switched on 
the heat.  The kept the car for a week and told me that they had 
replaced the heating coil but could not do anything with the wiring.
I was not satisfied since nothing had been done (they put in this
crappy tape deck that lasted a few hours though to cover up the 
wires and any opening into the disasterous dash!)
I told them that they should take back the car since I was not told of
the problems and that it would cost me substantially (Loeber Motors
gave me an estimate of $600 for rewiring and $600 for the 
transmission.Total=$1200).  They said that I could trade the car in!
They also told me that I would get a few thousand less than my 
purchase price!!  I told them that it wasn't fair since I bought 
the car a few weeks ago.  This is what he said "But business
is not always fair Sir!!!!"   Can you believe it?  I took the car
and decided that I would not deal with them any more.

I took the car to Loeber Motors and paid my $1200.  Its fine
but I owe $1200 more on my credit card....If I wanted to spend
over $9,000, I would definitely bought a new car!! :(

At this point all I will advise people looking for a car is

DON'T GO NEAR TOYOTA ON WESTERN!!!!!!!!!

Let my suffering be a lesson.  
I've decided to keep the car since I'm too scared to buy another.
Newsgroups: chi.general,uiuc.general
From: Upholder@uiuc.edu (THE Upholder of Truth)
Subject: Re: Illinois drivers license numbers
Reply-To: Upholder@uiuc.edu (THE Upholder of Truth)
Organization: The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:29:06 GMT

noe@cs.uiuc.edu (Roger Noe) writes:
>In article <BxxBAF.Lyz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox) writes:
>>Twins?
>>  * Same last name
>>  * Same DOB
>>  * They could have the same initials (John D Foo, Joe D Foo).
>>What would they do?

>Strange as it might seem, I think the same number is assigned!  I had
>assumed for years that there must be some "serial" component to the
>drivers license number, to prevent duplications.  I had assumed that
>Illinois drivers license numbers were unique, like SSNs.  (OK, it has
>happened that duplicate SSNs have been issued, but very rarely and
>always by mistake.)  I think two people meeting all the following
>criteria would have the same Illinois drivers license number:

>1. Same first letter of last name
>2. Same Soundex encoding of last name
>3. Same first letter of first name AND some additional as yet unknown
>   requirements.  The gaps in the "first initial" number table I posted
>   are not yet completely understood (by me).
>4. Same first letter of middle name
>5. Same birthdate (or 100 years apart!)
>6. Same sex

>This doesn't seem all that improbable, not in a state the size of
>Illinois.  I think it must have occurred at least once.  Yes, twins
>(either identical, or same-sex fraternal twins) would match criteria
>1, 2, 5, 6 in almost all cases.  Given the propensity in some families
>to name everyone with the same initials, it's not at all inconceivable
>that criteria 3 and 4 could also be met.  I'd like to find two such
>people.


Well, next time my dad comes down, I'll send him your way.  He is one
of 3 sets of Identical twins (3 sets of identical boys, one girl, and
another boy are the total family).

He Rodney and his bother, Roger ended up with identical Drivers license
numbers for the reasons cited above... neither of them thought to check
their numbers and neither them (or the state) notices the duplication...

until one day my father, after recieving a ticket for something (his first
and only ticket when he tells the story =), recieved a letter from the 
state informing him that his license had been revoked for three tickets
in under a year... it seems that his brother Roger had gotten two tickets
and the identical license numbers caused the state to revoke my father's
license (Roger's license was not revoke.. however, I assume that had
my father gotten the second ticket, and Roger the third, then Roger's
license and not my father's would have been revoked).

Needless to say, then now have different license numbers.. albeit by
one digit (I'm not quite sure which one 'tho).






-- 
Upholder@uiuc.edu (ASCII mail)               THIS IS _NOT_ CCSO'S OPINION!!!
jar42733@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu (NeXT mail)      If It were, It would've had a
wi.6580@n7kbt.rain.com (anon)                  more important name on it. =)

Newsgroups: chi.general
From: noe@cs.uiuc.edu (Roger Noe)
Subject: Re: Illinois drivers license numbers
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Comp Sci, Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:07:07 GMT

In article <BxxBAF.Lyz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox) writes:
>Twins?
>  * Same last name
>  * Same DOB
>  * They could have the same initials (John D Foo, Joe D Foo).
>What would they do?

Strange as it might seem, I think the same number is assigned!  I had
assumed for years that there must be some "serial" component to the
drivers license number, to prevent duplications.  I had assumed that
Illinois drivers license numbers were unique, like SSNs.  (OK, it has
happened that duplicate SSNs have been issued, but very rarely and
always by mistake.)  I think two people meeting all the following
criteria would have the same Illinois drivers license number:

1. Same first letter of last name
2. Same Soundex encoding of last name
3. Same first letter of first name AND some additional as yet unknown
   requirements.  The gaps in the "first initial" number table I posted
   are not yet completely understood (by me).
4. Same first letter of middle name
5. Same birthdate (or 100 years apart!)
6. Same sex

This doesn't seem all that improbable, not in a state the size of
Illinois.  I think it must have occurred at least once.  Yes, twins
(either identical, or same-sex fraternal twins) would match criteria
1, 2, 5, 6 in almost all cases.  Given the propensity in some families
to name everyone with the same initials, it's not at all inconceivable
that criteria 3 and 4 could also be met.  I'd like to find two such
people.

Roger
From: phantom@gagme.chi.il.us (Leif Ericksen)
Newsgroups: chi.general
Subject: Re: Can anyone check somebodies credit??
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:50:44 GMT
Distribution: chi
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Originator: phantom@gagme


	TRUE, Students do get bombarded with credit applications.
BUT I took a few up and have not had a problem, THE first thing I do is check
the APR, then I check to see if there is an anual fee if there is a fee I
rip apart the application, I WILL NOT PAY TO HAVE A CREDIT CARD! 
mostly because I have a good personal credit policy.

	DO NOT make a purchase unless you have the cash to cover the amount
of the purchase, as well as ANY balance that may be on the card.

	I was able to follow that with at lest 90% of my purchases...
I then always made at least the min. payment.  With that you build a good
credit standing to help you latter in life.

	The big KEY is NEVER get a credit card, or make a purchase if you
will not be able to afford it.

	I have a friend that had a credit card senior year of High School,
and basically screwed himself by soph, of college, by buying stuff, and having
car problems ending up about 10,000 in debt.  So it is all based on your 
personal spending and can you handle it.

		- Leif Ericksen
		phantom@gagme.chi.il.us
PS:  The majrity of my bill were always paid in full thus I made money from
     using Discover...  ( as little as it was about 7$ )
Newsgroups: chi.general,uiuc.general