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From: joeg@novell.com (Joe Gervais)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Moving from coax to 10BaseT
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:48:39 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

In article <1993Jan25.182938.6414@novell.com> donp@novell.com (don provan) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.095134.25886@ica.philips.nl> geertj@ica.philips.nl (Geert Jan de Groot) writes:
>>No, most certainly not. 10baseT is point-to-point. Which means that you
>>have to have a separate connection between the HUB and every apparatus
>>in your office. In my case, this would mean that I'd fill more than one
>>hub, just for my own equipment!
>
>In my building, they just give each engineer an eight port 10baseT
>fan-out unit (i guess the official term is "micro repeater").  I've
>got two in my office.  Am i breaking some 10baseT rule?

IEEE allows 4 repeaters between any two end stations.  I've seen two common
approaches.  For the site with the technical people that insist on using
thinnet or 10base2 in their offices or labs because it's "easier to work
with", 10baseT is used to feed the lab or office, and a 10baseT to 10base2
repeater is installed.  MIS gets the advantage of individual manageable
segments to each office or lab, and the engineers get to keep their coax,
but Bob removing a terminator or BNC tee in his office will not break the
LAN in John's office.

The second approach is the one Don mentioned, which is to structure the LAN
so each office or LAB can have one more layer of repeaters.

A legal topology diagram that abides by the 4 repeater, no more than 3 
tapped coax segments is as follows:

                     10base5 or 10base2 backbone
                   -------------------------------
                        |          |         |
                     --------  --------  --------
 Wiring Closets      | rptr |  | rptr |  | rptr |
                     --------  --------  --------
               _______| |          |         |<----FOIRL or 10baseT
-  -  -  -  - | -  -  - | -  -  -  | -  -  - | - -
              |         |          |         |     
          --------   --------  --------  --------
 Labs /   | rptr |   | rptr |  | rptr |  | rptr | 
 Offices  --------   --------  --------  --------
          |  |  |    |  |  |   |  |  |   |  |  |<---any media

If you draw the topology as a tree, with a coax backbone, you can go down
two levels of repeaters maximum, and the links between the two levels of 
repeaters must be link segments, or you will exceed the 3 populated coax
segment rule.  Note that with this topology, a large total number of
repeaters can be used, because you aren't restricted to how many repeaters
off the backbone segment, or how many repeaters off the first layer of
repeaters, just as long as between any two DTEs, you don't traverse more
than 4 repeaters.  The problem I've usually seen is using 10baseT hubs
and making three layers of repeaters, which puts five repeaters in the path
between two DTEs.  So Don, please be sure your second micro-repeater is not
daisy-chained off the first, and you're probably okay.

Joe Gervais
Joe_Gervais@Novell.com
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: Steinar.Haug@delab.sintef.no (Steinar Haug)
Subject: Re: Info wanted on TCP/IP vs OSI 7 layer
Organization: SINTEF DELAB, Trondheim, Norway.
	<1993Jan27.115319.21112W@lumina.edb.tih.no>
	<1993Jan27.141654.1@ptavv.llnl.gov>
	<1993Jan28.101705.6840W@lumina.edb.tih.no>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:44:06 GMT

ketil@edb.tih.no (Ketil Albertsen,TIH) writes:
> Evidence 1: The real world. The vast majority of networks following OSI
> standards do run CONS. To put it squarely: They run X.25, which is CONS.

Actually a lot of them run X.25 (1980), which, as far as I know, is *not*
a full CONS. This was the case here in Norway at least a couple of years ago -
The Norwegian Telecom ran a mix of X.25 (1980) and X.25 (1984). I don't know
what the situation is today. Also, according to Olav Kvittem, not even X.25
(1984) is a full CONS, because it doesn't handle a normal 20-octet NSAP.

> starting point. Eg, is there *any* OSI *applications* that actually uses
> connectionless mode? (Note that I was careful to state 'OSI is CO' in

Yes, DECnet Phase V...

> In essence, those fighting for CLTS want it for running their non-OSI
> Internet applications.

That's your interpretation. I don't expect everybody to agree.

> NE does *not* do what it is supposed to according to X.200. I have a 
> definite impression that TP4 was included with the sole purpose of "selling"
> OSI to the IP camp. IMHO, TP4 should never have been included. It is OK

So what do we use if we want reliability? TP0 over X.25 is simply not good
enough. TP0 and TP4 are by far the most commonly implemented...

> As long as we keep the non-OSI-spirit TP4 out of it, it is much simpler.

If I'm not allowed to use TP4, I'll stick to my Internet protocols, thank you.

Steinar Haug, system/networks administrator
SINTEF DELAB, University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Email: Steinar.Haug@delab.sintef.no, 
	sthaug@idt.unit.no, steinar@tosca.er.sintef.no
Xref: sparky comp.protocols.tcp-ip:6116 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:7724
From: 4carroll_j@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc
Subject: Compressed slip packet driver?
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:29:44 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US


 Hi,
 
 	Can anyone tell me where I might find a compressed slip packet driver?
 
 Thanks
 Jim Carroll
 
Xref: sparky comp.protocols.tcp-ip:6148 comp.sys.sequent:712
From: lars@spectrum.CMC.COM (Lars Poulsen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.sys.sequent
Subject: Re: Nameserver help?
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:54:58 GMT
Organization: CMC Network Systems (Rockwell DCD), Santa Barbara, CA, USA

In article <1993Jan18.130031.11572@atlastele.com> brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes:
>I have set up a nameserver on my machine and some weird things are happening and
>I was wondering if someone could help me out.
>
>I am running Dynix 3.0.17.10  on an S3 using a dialup slip connection to PSI
>The probles I see are, 1) when I lose my connection I can't seem to talk on 
>my local ethernet, When I telnet in to the the system  it is very slow with 
>a login  prompt. One really weird thing is that "talk" say "target machine
>does not recognize you". This happens whenever I am using named.

The reverse zone lookup is failing. Have you set up a reverse zone at
all ? Is it properly delegated ?

If your forward zone contains resource records like

	host.my.zone.                 IN A   127.126.125.124

then you must have a reverse zone that can resolve

	124.125.126.127.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR host.my.zone.

RTFRFCs !!!
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From: yedidya@bimacs.BITNET (Yedidya Israel)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: reverse rarp do not behave for ncsa2305
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:31:25 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL


Hello net, I'll be glad if someone will help me with this problem.

On a 386 We have:

        Ethernet card   EtherCard PLUS (Combo)
        Packet driver:  80003pkd.exe
        TCP/IP suit:    telnet version 2.3.05

When myip is set to explicit address the whole games works fine, but
when using myip=rarp we get the message "rarp failed!!!", although
verifying that three rarp-daemon really sent the correct IP number to
the PC (rarpd -a -d on suns/sparcs). Etherfind finds all the packets
(broadcast requests and rarp replies) too.

Anyone can tell me whats wrong ?

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From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: What is TCP/IP ?
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:33:48 GMT
Organization: Aston University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL241235]

Tovsrud, Kjell Ove     1-94 (TOVSRUD@gribb.hsr.no) wrote:
: Can sombody out there give me a better discription about TCP/IP ?
: I have to learn what this is !!!
: 
: Thanks!
: 
: Kjell Ove	

There are RFC's describing the formal spec (they can be fairly heavy going).
There is also a guide, which originates from Rutgers uni, which describes
the operation and the packet level constructs.

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From: pietro@nova.bellcore.com (Pietro Manzoni)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: Generic IP address
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:55:14 GMT
Reply-To: pietro@nova.bellcore.com
Organization: Network Technology Research Lab, Bellcore

Is there anybody who knows if it's possible to send a message specifing a
generic address.

I'm not talking of multicast, I'm just wondering if it could be possible
to send a datagram without specifing a destination address.

This type of datagram should be interpreted as: the first host that receives
the datagram is the destination host...


Thanks for any help.

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From: braudes@proto.Read.TASC.COM (Bob E. Braudes)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Large Windows and Delayed Acking
Date: 23 Jan 93 16:30:20
Organization: TASC
NNTP-Posting-Host: proto.read.tasc.com
In-reply-to: mike@gordian.com's message of Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:36:55 GMT

What is the incoming buffer size advertised by the receiver?  If it is
4K, like it sounds, then the sender will stop sending after this 4K
has been sent and not acknowledged.

Bob Braudes
TASC

Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: TOVSRUD@gribb.hsr.no (Tovsrud, Kjell Ove     1-94)
Subject: What is TCP/IP ?
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:16:55 GMT

Can sombody out there give me a better discription about TCP/IP ?
I have to learn what this is !!!

Thanks!

Kjell Ove
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Determining Port Numbers & The RPC Portmapper
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:30:35 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>registerrpc will register a prog#/ver# with portmapper. Portmapper assigns the
>port #.

No, it doesn't.  The portmapper doesn't assign port numbers (take a look
at RFC 1057, which describes the portmapper's RPC protocol; there ain't
no call in there that *chooses* a port number and *assigns* it to a
server - there's just a PMAPPROC_SET call to bind an *already-allocated*
port number to a particular program and version number and Internet
protocol number); other code does (for example, the UDP or TCP
implementation, at least in UNIX systems).

If all you want to do is just register a port number with the portmapper
as being bound to some particular program and version number for some
particular protocol, you can do so with "pmap_set()".

The advantage of using "pmap_set()" rather than "registerrpc()" is that
you don't set up all the rest of the RPC mechanism; given that the
original poster didn't *want* to drag in the rest of the RPC mechanism,
that's probably what they want.

>svc_unregister() removes the entry.

So does "pmap_unset()", and it also doesn't pester the rest of the RPC
mechanism.
From: nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: 3C509 pkt. drivers ? 
Distribution: world
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 03:19:58 GMT
Organization: Crynwr Software

In article <20JAN93.17562179@skyfox> keele@skyfox writes:

   Does anyone know if there are packet drivers around for the new 
   3C509 Etherlink III cards ? I have not seen them in the usual 
   DRIVERS.ZIP file.

They're in beta test, but you're welcome to try using it.  No guarantees,
of course.  It's ftp.msen.com:pub/vendor/crynwr/3c509g.zip.  Please tell
me if it doesn't work for you.

-russ <nelson@crynwr.com> What canst *thou* say?
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From: rich9256@mary.cs.fredonia.edu (Devin    Richards)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: TCP/IP to Ada interface????
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:54:30 GMT
Organization: Math / CS, State Univ. of N. Y. College at Fredonia
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3


I am looking for packages or any type of software that would allow me to
interface TCP/IP with Ada.  Any help would be appreciated.
Please send me vendors/names/anything else!

Thanks in advance.
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From: schuetz@fm11ap01.tu-graz.ac.at (Alexander Schuetz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: Please tell a newbie the differences betw FSP and FTP and ...
Date: 25 Jan 1993 16:44:44 GMT
Organization: none
NNTP-Posting-Host: fm11ap01.tu-graz.ac.at


Hi dudes, 

I hope you don't mind some FAQs (?) from a newbie, do you? Well, I need
some technical info about FTP, FSP, TELNET and stuff like that....

1.) What is FSP exactly? I know and have seen FTP already and been told
    that FSP is kinda similar. What are the differences? Is there a program
    "FSP.EXE" for the IBMPC, similar to the "FTP.EXE" from FTP software?
    Or, is there a public domain version? 
    If not, is there atleast a UNIX version? Is is shareware anyway?
    If it *is* shareware, on which FTP site, in which subdir might I
    find it? If not, where can I find info, anyway?

2.) Our "tn.exe" (telnet) preferres to make fuss. Sometimes I can easily
    connect to an FTP site, but at the same time TN would't want to 
    connect. ("Host unrechable, destination unreachable"). Strange...
    In general, TELNET seems not to want to connect as easily as FTP. 

Any help is greatly appreciated, E-mail answers preferred 'coz I cant
sift through all the news everyday.

Thanks
        Alex (schuetz@fm11ap01.tu-graz.ac.at)






Xref: sparky comp.protocols.tcp-ip:6125 comp.protocols.ppp:1127
From: bob@MorningStar.Com (Bob Sutterfield)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Re: tn3270 emulation over PPP or slip lines
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:30:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: volitans.BOB.93Jan26173007
Organization: Morning Star Technologies

In article <1993Jan26.060055.11756@trl.oz.au> liu@samui.trl.OZ.AU (Richard Liu) writes:
   Is it possible to run a tn3270 block mode emulation over
   asynchronous dial up slip or PPP lines?

If your tn3270 (or any other) application works over any other IP
network, it will work over a SLIP or PPP link.  Only the performance
will differ.
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: reganm@bluemoon.use.com (Mark T Regan)
Subject: Re: What is TCP/IP ?
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 13:31:45 EST

TOVSRUD@gribb.hsr.no (Tovsrud, Kjell Ove     1-94) writes:

> Can sombody out there give me a better discription about TCP/IP ?
> I have to learn what this is !!!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Kjell Ove	

Check your local library or see if you can get a copy of "Internetworking
with TCP/IP" by Douglas E. Comer, ISBN 0-13-468509-9.
?

Mark T. Regan
   
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: salkield@csqx.cs.rhbnc.ac.uk (Tom Salkield)
Subject: Info wanted on TCP/IP vs OSI 7 layer
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Royal Holloway, University of
	London
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:44:29 GMT


I am posting on behalf of a friend who needs to compare the layers of
the internet protocol suite with the OSI seven layer model as part of
his course assignment.

I was wondering whether any reports exist, possibly available by
anonymous ftp, on this subject ?

Many thanks,

Tom
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Date: Thursday, 21 Jan 1993 14:11:40 EST
From: Tom Williams <TW@UMAB.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: setsockopt problem

I've got a problem using the BSD socket interface.  I'm trying to
set the time out for the read function using  the setsockopt function:

   int  sock,  time = 10;
   rc  = setsockopt(sock,SOL_SOCKET,SO_RCVTIMEO, (char *)&time,
       sizeof time);

I've previously called socket(), and it has executed correctly.  When
I call setsockopt(), I get rc = -1, and errno = 22 (EINVAL, invalid
arguement according to errno.h).

Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks,
    Tom

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: k@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Steve Kao)
Subject: Re: Moving from coax to 10BaseT
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:57:03 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL7]

don provan
> In my building, they just give each engineer an eight port 10baseT
> fan-out unit (i guess the official term is "micro repeater").  I've
> got two in my office.  Am i breaking some 10baseT rule?

No.  10baseT rules say you can have up to four repeaters between any two
nodes; five if one is a fiber repeater.  (Four if all the repeaters are
fiber repeaters.)  Since all the 10baseT repeaters I know about have
both 10baseT and 10base2 (ThinCoax), there should be no problem
migrating an old network to 10bT.  Drop a repeater off the coax and plug
10bT devices into the repeater's 10bT ports.  In fact, HP recommends
using 10b2 as the backbone of its 10bT repeaters and bridges.

- Steve Kao
From: donp@novell.com (don provan)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Moving from coax to 10BaseT
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:29:38 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc., San Jose, California

In article <1993Jan25.095134.25886@ica.philips.nl> geertj@ica.philips.nl (Geert Jan de Groot) writes:
>No, most certainly not. 10baseT is point-to-point. Which means that you
>have to have a separate connection between the HUB and every apparatus
>in your office. In my case, this would mean that I'd fill more than one
>hub, just for my own equipment!

In my building, they just give each engineer an eight port 10baseT
fan-out unit (i guess the official term is "micro repeater").  I've
got two in my office.  Am i breaking some 10baseT rule?

>10baseT is best if you have to run an office of non-technical people...

Actually, i've seen no correlation between "non-technical people" and
coax failure.  If anything, the more technical the people, the more
often they try to modify the cabling.  With coax, the failure rate seems
to be almost directly proportional to the frequency of modifications,
and the difficulty of finding a failure increases geometrically in
relation to the number of people that make modifications.

I was really mystified a couple of years ago when they started pulling
miles of 10baseT to replace our "perfectly good" coax, but in retrospect
i must admit that our networks are much more stable than with the coax.

						don provan
						donp@novell.com
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: Frank@mindlink.bc.ca (Frank I. Reiter)
Subject: Moving from coax to 10BaseT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:27:07 GMT

In a recent column in OST James Gaskin suggests that system administrators
should be converting ethernets from coax to 10BaseT and *not* investing
anything more in coax.  I put two questions to the readers of this group:

1) Do you concur with Mr. Gaskin that coax is dead or dying?

2) What options are available for small (less than a dozen nodes) networks
currently running coax and wanting to move to 10BaseT?  For example, I
understand that 10BaseT topology has all nodes wired to hubs - are there hubs
available which are cost effective for small networks?

I look forward to your replies...

Frank.
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc
From: doswangx@nuscc.nus.sg (Wang Xi (Ms))
Subject: Need: Infomation about x10 protocol
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:40:33 GMT


Dear netters,

I am looking for X10 protocol & X10 products which is mainly used in building
automation system. Please tell me where to get more detail infomation on
X10 protocol & X10 products.

Thank you very much in advance.

Esther.X.Wang


Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc
From: Arnim.Littek@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: X.10 specification
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:18:20 GMT

>I am looking for X10 protocol & X10 products which is mainly used in building
>automation system. Please tell me where to get more detail infomation on
>X10 protocol & X10 products.

X.10 is a CCITT standard and can be found in any good technical library.  If 
your library does not have the X volume, V.26 is exactly the same thing.  And
if you don't have the V volume, any book on data comms electrical interfaces 
should have at least a little on RS-423, which for all intents and purposes is
the EIA equivalent of the same thing.  It is an unbalanced, non-slew rate 
limited drive, so it is a whole lot faster than RS-232 but is a lot noisier
(because it is unbalanced) than RS-422/X.11/V.27.  For cursory information,
National Semiconductor Interface data books newer than about 1986 have a good
overview application note covering such interface specifications.

Ciao,
Arnim						Arnim.@digitech.co.nz
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