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From: fuenf@aldebaran.cs.uni-sb.de (Stefan Fuenfrocken)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Elm 2.4PL20: Floating Point Exeption reading alias folder from cmd-line
Followup-To: comp.mail.elm
Date: 27 Jan 1993 13:14:19 GMT
Organization: University of Saarland (Germany)
Distribution: world
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Sorry to bother again,

i posted an article with the "compile" Problem:

>1) elm refuses to compile with:
>        
>     redeclaration of utimbuf in leavembox.c
>  
>  i had to '#define UTIMBUF' in config.h
>  So the Configure-script doesn't seem correctly set up the configuration file.

after i received some mail, saying that there was no such problem on system xyz
i finaly traced the error down:

i configured and compiled patchlevel 0 of elm 2.4 first , to see if it would compile on 
our machine, which left a config.sh file i didn't removed.
Then i applied all 20 patches and configured again. This time Configure used the settings 
from the previous configuration. Since Patch 3 deals with utimbuf definition, and
the PL0 requires an #undefine NOUTIMBUF if utimbuf of the system IS used,
i got the wrong PRE-definition in the new Configuration.

Well, this could be seen as "user-error" ;)

=============

Was/is it common sense, that only those msgs should be fed to the (external) pager if
it's linecount would cause scrolling the screen? 
Used to 2.3 were ALL msgs were fed to the external pager, it was very - hm, inconsistent- 
to see a few msgs in a row by typing <down_arrow> and suddenly getting stoped at the end of 
a long msg and having to type "q".

[i know i should use the buildin, but i love to be able to scroll back in long msgs]


BTW: i think elm is really great ---- keep going :0)

Stefan.
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From: little@carina.hks.com (Jim Littlefield)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: How to get rid of 'create dir' message?
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:23:21 GMT
Organization: Hibbitt, Karlsson & Sorenson, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.hks.com
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Sven Guckes (guckes@math.fu-berlin.de) wrote:
: masc0422@ucssun1.sdsu.edu.sdsu.edu (Ivan Z. Padilla) writes:

: >This is my problem:
: >Every time I call elm the following message appears:
: >
: >Notice:
: >ELM requires the use of a folders directory to store your mail folders in.
: >Shall I create the directory /usr1/ma/530.01/maxc1189/Mail for you (y/n)? 
: >
: >How can I get rid of it??

If you have moved your home directory you will get this message until you
modify the .elm/elmrc file and change the "maildir" entry to your new directory.

--

Jim Littlefield             "I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the
<little@hks.com>             intelligence. There's a knob called "brightness",
			     but it doesn't work." - Gallagher
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: kak@hico2.westmark.com (Kris A. Kugel)
Subject: Re: "Reply to *typed* address"
Reply-To: kak2@hico2.westmark.com
Organization: High Country Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:36:30 GMT

Scott Ophof (ophof@SERVER.uwindsor.ca) wrote:

 ...
: As a relative newcomer to Unix (re experience level, but no newcomer
: to the mainframe computer world) I'm very curious why the Unix
: community still seems to insist on 1-char commands, when the times
: of the slow teletype are long gone (even in the army, right?  :-) ).
: The *need* is gone, so why hang onto those old habits?
: Besides, with responses to those short commands often so long that
: the information nearly drowns in a sea of noise, or so short and
: cryptic that it virtually needs a decoder, my feeling of puzzlement
: only increases.

I'm not sure I fully understand what the above is getting at,
but (ignoring the terminal speed aspect)
I believe Mr. Ophof's argument is
    "computers are getting to be so fast at running the commands
     that the important thing is to tell it what the right thing to do is".

Well, as my computer gets faster and faster, (assuming I can find
ways of continuing to finance it) it's increasingly true that the
speed at which I can use my computer is limited by the speed at
which I can feed it indicators of my desires.  Even back in the
110 baud days, I usually couldn't overtype the computer's ability
to read characters.

So my argument is
    "the speed at which you can interact is limited
     by how fast you can type(or whatever) the commands,
     so single character commands have advantages."

Considering the typing speed of non-touch-typists makes this 
argument more powerful; just going from 1 to 2 character commands
would double the noticeable time-cost of hunt-typing commands.

Anyway, that's why I've added a "R" (reply, include text, don't ask)
to decrease the delay between when I know what I want to do, and when
it happens.

Kris A. Kugel	908-842-2707
hico2!kak	kak@hico2.westmark.com
From: guimona@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Alexandre Guimond)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Filter help (ELM2.3 PL11 / SYSV Rel4 Ver3)
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:06:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Universite de Montreal

On 20 Jan 93 18:58:03 GMT timewarp@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Edens) writes:
> 
> 	My filter-rules file reads...
> 
> to contains "really-deep-thoughts" ? save /home3/t/timewarp/ToriMail
> to contains "rdt" ? save /home3/t/timewarp/LOGINS/ToriMail
> to contains "u2" ? save /home3/t/timewarp/LOGINS/U2Mail
> 
	There's your problem. You need to have rules for EVERY message!
	So you should add a line that looks like this:

    >>> always save /home3/t/timewarp/mailbox

	This should be the last rule of your 'filter-rules' file so that
	messages that don't match other rules do get save somewhere.

> 	and my .forward file reads...
> 
> "|/usr/local/bin/filter"
> 
	You might want to add a -o option to save errors in a file. 
	my '.forward' file look like this:

    >>> "| /usr/local/bin/filter -o $HOME/.elm/filtererr"
-- 
Alexandre Guimond
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: schwim@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Rosebud)
Subject: Re: Elm 2.3 Bugs -- Does 2.4 fix them?
Organization: The Land of Chocolate
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:18:44 GMT

syd@DSI.COM ponders:
>schwim@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Rosebud) writes:
[Query on bugs in 2.3PLll asking if 2.4 fixes them]
	
Sydney,
	Thanks for the prompt response!

>>2) Improper expansion of ~
>>	In other programs I use ((t)csh, rn, tin, mail, etc) ~ is
>>expanded to the value of the environmental variable HOME (getenv).  Elm
>>appears to use the pasword entry of the user's root directory
>>(getpwuid).
>>	I understand why elm needs the .elm directory in the user's
>>root directory, but there's no reason to assume that the user's root
>>directory and $HOME are the same thing.
>This one is a feature.  Elm ignores $HOME, so that when su'd you read
>the right mail file.  Its a choice of one or the other and we chose
>to allow su over $HOME.

	When is that necessary?  filter has everything it needs in the
.elm directory.

>>5) Hard coded path in the default user's elmrc file
>>	Why?
>because....

	On systems with a lot of accounts, it is common for accounts
to switch partitions due to disk space problems.  Elm gives an error
message each time that the Mail directory doesn't exist and asks if
you want to create it.  Of course, you can't becuase the path is
wrong.
	If 2.4 or 3 still hard codes the path, could I suggest that
the program check to see if the path even exists (and possibly that it
matches the user's passwd entry)?  (Or at least make it a compile time
option if this causes problems on some systems?  Or have some way to
have the elmrc file default to a specified variable, such as
$HOME/Mail or even ~/Mail, instead of a hard coded path?)

	As a side note, this one-liner works for (t)csh on elm 2.3PL11:

perl -i -pe 's%^maildir.*%maildir = \$HOME/Mail%;' ~$USER/.elm/elmrc

				Yours,
					Larry Schwimmer
					schwim@xenon.stanford.edu
From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Help with compiling Elm2.4 on SGI
Date: 24 Jan 1993 11:43:27 -0500
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com

tshin@husc8.harvard.edu (Tae Shin) writes:
>Hi there!  I'm sort of a novice at this, so bear with me if my question isn't
>very clear.  Hopefully someone can help me anyways.

>I'm using a SGI Indigo computer (4.0.5) that is connected to two other Indigos
>by NFS and NIS.  Recently I downloaded the source code for Elm2.4 for unix and
>attempted to compile it on our systems.  I used the 'Configure' program which
>went through a series of questions about the system; I believe I answered these
>correctly.  When I finished, I entered the command 'make documentation' which
>started correctly but ended with an 'error #255; Stopped'.  A similar result
>occurred when I entered 'make all >& MAKELOG &', which was supposed to create
>the /bin files (it didn't).

>        First some simple questions.  The documentation doesn't specifically
>say that Elm will work with SGI's.  Has anyone been able to this successfully?
>If so, could you supply some hints or a 'walkthrough'?.  Any help would be
>greatly appreciated.
Well, I had no problems at all configuring and running Elm on my SGI Iris under
4.0.5.  Now, I didn't try the docs, so I cannot comment.

The biggie for SGI is to say Elm is a non ansi application, so you need to 
list -cckr as an additional compilation flag.  I took all the defaults from configure
and it ran just fine.
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: phil@wubios.wustl.edu (J. Philip Miller)
Subject: Rewriting reply addresses
Organization: Division of Biostatistics, WUMS, St. Louis, MO
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:51:44 GMT

I was wondering what the thoughts of developers would be towards allowing a
user (host?) to invoke a routine to rewrite a To: address that has been
automatically generated by elm.

Most of the time that I would be interested in utilizing this involve mail
which was posted to a mailing list.  For example, if a user on BITNET sends me
mail by posting to a list, the return address is likely to be:

user%node.bitnet@<gateway>

where the <gateway> is the one that is appropriate to the site that hosts the
list.  My mail setup would allow me to send the mail to simply:

user@node.bitnet

I realize that this rewriting is not necessarily correct for all sites, and
that is why I think it needs to be customizeable.  The primary motivation for
rewriting is for an efficiency gain.  Note that for many mailing lists, If I
were to reply to a user on my own machine, the return address would still be:

user%wubios.wustl.edu@<gateway>

an obviously inefficient way to send mail to someone on my own system.

Now I suppose that it is a philosophical question about whether this should be
done by the MUA or the MTA.  I would think that the MTA is obligated to send
the mail the way that it is addressed, and thus if optimization is to be
achieved, it is the MUA's responsibility.

I do not know the details of the plans which are designed to differentiate
between a return address which is a user on the current system and one which
is a private (or public, even) alias, but perhaps this functionality could be
incorporated into the revised design for 3.0.

-phil
-- 
     J. Philip Miller, Professor, Division of Biostatistics, Box 8067
	 Washington University Medical School, St. Louis MO 63110
	  phil@wubios.WUstl.edu - (314) 362-3617 [362-2694(FAX)]
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: robertle@sco.COM (Robert Lewis)
Subject: PL21 and futures
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:50:05 GMT


Any idea when PL21 will be available?

I would like to see elm have the ability to:
1.  change directory within the program to any directory.
2.  edit any individual received letter instead of the entire mail box.

Both of the above features are in standard mailx so they are missed in
elm.  As a result of not having the two above features I use mailx at 
work and elm at home.  Has this been considered?

Bob(robertle@sco.COM)
From: ln_smr@pki-nbg.philips.de (Stephen Riehm)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Problem with filter and underscores...
Date: 28 Jan 93 07:15:13 GMT
Reply-To: ln_smr@pki-nbg.philips.de

Hi guys 'n gals,

** PLEASE REPLY BY E-MAIL, WE DON'T GET THIS COMP.MAIL.ELM AT THIS SITE. **

	I am looking for a workaround for a problem in filter.
Basically the whole problem lies in the fact that we have stupid user
names here, with underscores. This means that when I try to use an
exec rule, with any program or script in my personal directory tree,
the path gets split with a space where all the underscores were.

eg:

( subject "backup" ) exec /home/ln_smr/bin/backup.report

gets interpreted as:
Rule 1:  if (subject = "backup") then
	  Execute /home/ln smr/bin/backup.report

which results in the error "/home/ln: file not found"

funny that.

So, if anyone knows a workaround for this problem, which doesn't
involve me getting a new user name or home directory (I have already
tried) could you please let me know. I really don't want all my cron
outputs in my mailbox every morning :-)

thanks in advance

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From: tunison@is.rice.edu (Jeffrey R Tunison)
Subject: reliability of 2.4-pl17
Followup-To: comp.mail.elm
Organization: Rice University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 16:45:05 GMT

We are currently using 2.3-pl11 to serve over a thousand users. I
have skimmed comp.mail.elm in an attempt to determine whether 2.4
is stable enough to install. It appears that patch level 17 is a
possible stable release point. However, no versions of 2.4 have
been posted to comp.sources.unix (as far as I can tell), despite it's
having been released back in October 92. Is it too buggy to post or
have Syd and company simply been too busy? Should we wait for the
release of 3.0 over the summer?   Thanks.

Jeffrey Tunison | systems Programmer | Information Systems
Rice University | Houston, Texas     | tunison@rice.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: oper12m@corona.kp.nrao.edu (Operator)
Subject: Re: Selectively Saving Outbound Messages
Followup-To: phart@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Paul O. Hart) 
Organization: N.R.A.O. 12m Telescope - Kitt Peak, Arizona
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:32:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.095257.5045@titan.ksc.nasa.gov>, steve@vulture.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Schindler) writes:
|>
|> I would like to be able to automatically save selected outbound messages.
|> For example, I would like to save outbound and inbound (already done with
|> a filter) messages that are part of a continuing conversation in a specific
|> folder, but I don't want to save messages that are one-time only.
|> 
|> Right now I have two choices. The first is to save everything, but then
|> I have to manually clean up my mail directory. The other choice is to 
|> manually save messages, but unfortunately I forget to do that.
|> 
|> Steve
|> -- 
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Steve Schindler     Voice Systems Branch      NASA - Kennedy Space Center 
|> internet: steve@vulture.ksc.nasa.gov
|> NASAmail: (site:smtpmail,id:<steve(a)vulture.ksc.nasa.gov>)

This is something that alot of my elm users have also requested.  Maybe a
question in the dialog for sending which would ask the user if they would
like to save a copy of the outbound message in a particular folder.  This
could then give the recipient name as the default choice of folder.  Sure
would cut down on the amount of manual housekeeping.

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From: mark@pike.ee.mcgill.ca (Mark Kassab)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Group mail copies
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:48:24 GMT
Organization: McGill University - VLSI Laboratory, Montreal, CANADA.

Hi,

When I send mail to user1 and user2, a copy of the mail is only
kept in user1's folder.  Is there a way to force elm to put
copies in both user's folders?

Please preferably reply by mail.

Thanks,
Mark

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: heiland@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (david.j.heiland)
Subject: Re: reliability of 2.4-pl17
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:07:23 GMT

From article <1js0s6INNid@dsinc.dsi.com>, by syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein):
> I am not happy with pl17 or pl20, pl21 probably won't be much
> better due to the large amount of cleanup work in it.  However,
> pl22 should be pretty stable.  (Actually PL21 is pretty stable,
> but who knows what we broke)...

Exactly how do you mean this?  We're running ELM 2.4 pl17 and I'm wondering
if we should worry, and what we should worry about, until pl22 is out.

--
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: mathias@solomon.technet.sg (Mathias Koerber)
Subject: How to get frm(1L) to only show new mail?
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:13:24 GMT

Is there a way to get frm(1L) to only show mail that has newly arrived?
Since elm can distinguish, frm should also be able to do this. And
maybe there should be an option to show only the first x messages.

TIA

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From: cli@netcom.com (Concurrent Logic Inc)
Subject: Elm for Vax/VMS?
Keywords: elm, mail, vms
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:20:39 GMT

I was wondering if there has been a port of ELM for Vax/VMS?  I don't know
if that makes sense or not but am just inquiring for a friend who doesn't
like the mail program he is using on his Vax.  As I haven't used VMS for
quite some time, I'm not familiar with it's interface to Internet mail.  So,
any suggestions as to other programs to look at if ELM won't work would be
appreciated.

Please respond via e-mail as I don't typically read this newsgroup.

Thanks

Scott Evans
scott@clogic.com
From: chris@tisdec.tis.tandy.com
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:54 CST
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Tag and uuencoded files
Message-ID: <9800001@tisdec.tis.tandy.com>
Nf-ID: #R:<C1CFAo:4:tisdec.tis.tandy.com:9800001:000:2157
Nf-From: tisdec.tis.tandy.com!chris    Jan 27 11:54:00 1993


/* Written 11:30 pm  Jan 23, 1993 by dattier@ddsw1.UUCP in tisdec.tis.tandy.com:comp.mail.elm */
First, there should be no need to uudecode the files in any particular order.
The "begin" header of a uuencode gives the name that the uudecoded file will
have, and if the uuencodes were part of a single distribution every single
one will have a unique name in its "begin" header for the uudecoded version
of its own contents.

Second, tagging and piping won't work with uudecode.  It's not Elm's fault:
it's uudecode's problem.  If you tag and pipe, Elm assembles a text of all
tagged messages (in the order of the current display) separated by a row of
hyphens between each two messages and pipes that to one invocation of the
program you specify.  uudecode sees the "end" directive at the bottom of the
first message, exits, and ignores the rest of the pipe.  There is no provision 
in the uuencode standard for "next" or "continue" to mean 'close off the file
you've been writing but look for another file's "begin" line coming up.'

formail, which is part of the procmail distribution, can split up a pipe or
an input file into separate messages.  I take care of the task by tagging the
messages and piping them to formail -s uudecode.

David W. Tamkin   Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com    CompuServe: 73720,1570    MCI Mail: 426-1818
/* End of text from tisdec.tis.tandy.com:comp.mail.elm */

Well, what about those of US that use FTPMail servers.  MOST of these
servers will uuencode the request, and then split the uuencoded file
into managable (~64k) chunks. (Like ftpmail@dewrl.dec.com)

From your 'Second' statement it _IS_ Elm's fault for sticking in the row
of hyphens between messages. Also if you CANNOT specify an order to pipe
taged messages, it is still Elm's fault (or is there a way to order the current
display???).

I guese the QUESTION should be asked - Why is there no provision provided
in Elm to work with UUENCODE, and mail servers in particular?

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							 ...!jasoom.lonestar.org!chrisr
An Elm soon-to-be rookie novice.

Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele)
Subject: Using filter
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 220-0636
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:48:40 GMT

I would like to have a address save a copy of incoming mail but
automatically bounce back a standard text file to anyone who sends mail
to that address.

.forward: "| /usr/local/bin/filter -o problems"

.elm/filter-rules: if (not from = "jamesd") then executec "reply %S %r"

reply: elm -s "$1" $2 </home/users/me/somefile

.elm/filterlog below:

Mail from testuser about Testing
	EXECUTED "reply "Re: Testing" testuser" AND PUT in mailbox by rule #1

"testuser" never sees a reply, although it looks like it should.

Can somebody help?

Thanks!
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