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From: cyang@npd.Novell.COM (Cheng Yang)
Subject: Quality of American Car. Re: China to Buy Ford Tempos from U.S.
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:05:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.165334.1731@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>Boy, have you ever visited a Japanese Car Dealer?  If not, then do
>it today, or to save you time, the destination charge for a Japanese
>car to be shipped via sea freight from Japan to the U.S.A. is about 
>$450 as displayed on the price tag.
>
>Does the destination charge make difference to the deal?

Maybe you forgot most "Japanese" car are made in U.S.A. i.e. Honda Accord,
Toyota Corollar (same as GEO Prizm...).  If you want to buy a Japanese car 
made in Japan, you have to specify that to the dealer.  They've got different 
serial numbers from others.  The shipping fee you said ($450) may be the 
shipping from the Kentucky factory to your city.::))  

Two (or three) weeks ago in CBS "60 Minutes" program, they investigated
the quality of American cars.  Even Japanese guys said they found American 
cars' quality has been dramatically improved during the last several years.

Do you know FORD holds almost 40% Mazda stocks?  Do we call Mazada
a American car?  Also GM works very closely with Toyota and Chrisler
is a partner with Mistubishi.


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From: 88p8337@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au (Antarctica Archer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Electronic nonsense 4 (Special edition for Olympics)
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:53:56 +1000
Organization: People's Progressive Party of Antarctica

     Nowaday, Olympics is not athlete competing athlete,
but chinese coach against chinese coach.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shi6@chaos.uchicago.edu (Sheldon Shi)
Subject: Re: Rock Concert in Bejing
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:01:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.131049.2006@newstand.syr.edu> polar@top.cis.syr.edu (Polar Humenn) writes:
>Hi,
>I have a couple of questions.  A friend of mine was recently approached
>by the Chinese Government about producing a Rock Concert (stadium style)
>in Bejing.  Before he seriously talks to these guys he wants a little
>backround information.  
Propaganda
>
>1.  Is there enough interest for Western Music to fill a stadium
>    out there.  Or will it be too crazy and get out of hand, ie. 
>    causing the tanks to roll in again.  
>
Yes, you need to worry about the latter. Because when a chinese rock
star had a tour in China, people began to show "V" with their fingers.
The tour was then stopped.


2.  Also, what type of music would the, I suppose younger, people would
>    like to see.  The government wants a BIG show.   However, they have
>    absolutely no idea about western music.  Would somebody like Madonna,
>    or Micheal Jackson,  who gets pretty sexual on stage, be shut down?  
>    Would the people prefer "nice guys" like Elton John (who will be on tour)
>    or Billy Joel, or do they want somebody like Bruce Springstein and 
>    John Cougar Mellanchamp screaming red, white, and blue, America.
>
Madonna and Jackson would be perfect for audiances, but not for the government.
Phil Collins, Billy Joel etc, more soft stuff, would be good for both.
>3.  BIG QUESTION.  If there was to be a Rock Concert in Bejing, where would
>    they have it.  How big is the place(s).
>
I bet it would be at the Capital Stadium, where concerts used to be held.
It holds ~20,000 people (at least 12,000).
>I don't have a lot of information on this, and right now it is just
>an idea brewing, but the government wants to move on this by the end of
>august.
>What are the thoughts out there?  Will this kind of thing fly.
>
>Thanks,
>-Polar     replies to   polar@top.cis.syr.edu
>           discussion to soc.culture.china

If you ask Madonna to give a tour, how much does she want? I doubt you can
make money out of this. Suppose each ticket is 100 yuan, the stadium has
200,000 yuans, plus selling album, 100,000 copy X 10 yuan=1 million. Plus 
selling T-shirts, posters, etc, you at most get 2 miliion yuan, which
is ~$300,000 (where are going to exchange it). Is a quarter mill enough
for Madonna and her bands and the dancers? But you could use chinese bands
and some chinese dancers. Propobably Eldon John etc is more profitabl
You have less income but you can definitely use a chinese band and no dancer.



r
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
From: gm2@cec1.wustl.edu (Guo Mian)
Subject: Re: Daughter of gerneral marry with son of chair. of Allied-Signal
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:07:07 GMT

In article <2A6B7E54.22621@noiro.acs.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>
>This is the China 0 / US 1 game.  Let's see how many China 1 / US 0
>games will happen:-).  
>
>(You know what 0 and 1 means by the physical appearance of these two digits.)
>
>shannon
>-------

China has almost been a straight loser in this kind of game.  We really
hope you could "ban1 hui2 yi1 fen1" for China. -):

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liang@cs.scarolina.edu (Da Dong Liang)
Subject: Re: No Dogs or Chineses
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:19:34 GMT

lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:

>Tingli Pan wrote:
>>The original intention was to take over Honei in around 3 weeks. And
>>force Vietnam to withrdraw from Kampuchia.

>I doubt this. If China took over Honei, China's buttocks must be kicked
>by the Bear. That is also why China did not use airforce and navy. The
>scope was very limited for fearing of Bear's intervening.

True. In fact, it was more tensed along the Sino-USSR border at that time.
Right before the PLA initiated the border operation, Deng visited USA and 
got promise from Carter that USA would intervene if USSR didn't behave.
And from the very beginning, China pledged that the operation was restrained
in scale and time. The purpose was to give Vietnam a warning that it should  
behave. 

The operation was carried out at rainy season, which was at the advantage of
Vietnamese jungle-battle-oriented soldiers. Thousands of caves among
the jungles where the Vietnamese soldiers were hidden took PLA 2-3 weeks to
destroy, causing quite a lot of casualties. Most of casualties were made by
Soviet-made plastic mines which were very difficult to detect(PLA's lo-tech). 

But the operation did scare Vietnam. The Vietnamese Premier went to tear when
he observed the huge loss due to the PLA's successful operation, which was 
beyond his imagination.

D-L
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhou@ifi.unizh.ch (Hongbo Zhou)
Subject: Prof. C. K. Cheng
Keywords: Partitioning Algorithm
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:54:37 GMT


Hi, there,

I would like to contact Prof. C. K. Cheng at 

Comput. Sci. and Eng. Department
Uni. of California, San Diego

for a technical problem.

It would be greatly appreciated if some kind souls who know
her/him could give me her/his e-address.


Thanks a lot in advance.

Best, Honbo

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hl2a@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Haiyan  Liu)
Subject: Re: NBC Commentators talking about China
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:47:44 GMT

In article <84439@netnews.upenn.edu> vorchez@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Cameron Campbell) writes:
>I am surprised that no one has commented yet on the absolutely offensive
>way the NBC commentators introduced the PRC team when they entered the
>stadium in Barcelona.  I think they basically summarized the Time 
>article that we have been discussing, they said something like
>'The PRC team - one of the last Stalinist style athletic organizations
>in the world... children sent to special schools when they are very 
>young... where they are trained with who knows what methods...  etc.'
>I thought the remark about being trained with 'who knows what methods'
>was really offensive because it makes it sound like they are being given
>electric shocks if they don't perform well or something awful.  I was
>so angry when I heard them say this that I called the local NBC 
>affiliate and complained.  
>
>Anyway, it is another example of how the media in the United States
>has been abusing China.  

The main reason in the media in US has been abusing China is that very 
few people
talk about the fact in China and good side of China, D-fighters always 
complain that we were going to be persecuted once we get to China, how
can we expect US or any country to respect China?

My non-Chinese friends feel sorry that I cannot go back to China, because
"If you go back, your government would not let you to leave the country
again."   


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang,606 Meyer,(212)998-7728,                )
Subject: Re: God knows ! Re: Racial Problem?
Organization: New York University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:55:00 GMT

bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:
|>->>->I don't like western women because they are too lazy.

|>being a western woman myself who is a software designer that works
|>60+ hour weeks for fun, i'd be most interested in your reasoning behind
|>your statement.

I guess what jialin means is that western women are reluctant to spend time on
housework. :-)

|>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
|>%%   The Speaking Tongue, AT&T   %%  C Code.  C Code Run.  Run, Code, RUN! %%
|>%%       bgt@homxc.att.com       %%           PLEASE!!!!                   %%
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/* ---------- */
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:05:08 EDT
From: <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: China News
Distribution: usa

>Last night ABC news, China has signed a contract with the big three
>auto-makers worth of $130 million for auto parts supplies by the

Who provides whom?

>Another news I got from the People's Daily, is about a contract with
>Chevron for providing compressor oil for the airplanes, and this

Who provides whom?

---Peter
From: yuanj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:03:41 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <13061.2a6dca36@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, byang@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Bin Yang) writes:
> A lot of people have responded to this post. Has it occured to anyone that
> the author might have meant 60 indoor swimming pools that you can swim even 
> in the winter? I know Beida certainly does (or at least did) not have one. 

I think China has more than 30 indoor pools at least.  In Jinan, the capital 
city of Shandong, I happen to know at least 3 indoor pools (the province team
training center, the #1 domitory of the province CCP complex, and the amature
athlete training center of the city).  There are 50 province capitals in China
and more than half of them have similar facilities.

How often do they open (daily, weekly, etc., and the hours), and open to 
whome?  I don't know.

I think the children's palace of the city also has an indoor pool open for
special events and amature athlete training sessions.  That means 4 (indoor
pools) in a city!

J. Yuan
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Qiong Yao's Books
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:46:00 GMT


          Pan Tingli and Lix says:  QY and Lan Hua Cao3 has niang2
          niang2 qiang1.

          On the contrary, LHC was written by Hu2 Shi4, the inventor
          of modern Chinese and 5/4 movement.

          It belongs to the "campus song" in Taiwan, sorta like Peng2
          Hu2 Wan1 and Oliver tree.

          And judging from Yan1 Yu3 Meng2 Meng2, QY's very good at
          depicting young men and women.  Her books often has a
          sentimental tone because of the fall of the KMT dynasty.
          Sorta like Hong Lou.  

          Her books are very xi4 ni4 in describing plots.
          You find more descriptions of food, clothing, expression,
          the way people interact etc. in QY's book.   

          It seems to me her lit achievements and influence is beyond
          Qian2 Zhong1 Shu1 but below Lu3 Xun4.  Lu3 Xun4 created part
          of the languages we use, not Qian2 or Qiong2.

          But her lit contribution is certainly lower than Jin1 Yong1.
          Jin Yong's contribution is about imagination and Plot
          design.

          He has influenced a generation of writers.
From: tspdz@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Qiong2 Yao2's book
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:53:45 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

In article <9207231916.AA04486@phloem.uoregon.edu>, Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
> 
>           I have not read any of QY's books but I did have a chance to
>           see a TV serie called "Yan1 Yu3 Meng2 Meng2" by her. 
> 
>           I was so moved that I almost cried in some part of it.  I
>           think she is great.  Her figues in that movie are believable
>           and lively.  
> 
>           She has another book called "ji3 du4 xi1 yang2 hong2," which
>           has the profound sense of history.  And it comes from the
>           beginning statement of 3 Guo:
> 
>               "jiang1 shan1 yi1 jiu4 zai4
>                ji3 du4 xi1 yang2 hong."
> 
>           (The earth still rotates, although sometimes we miss the
>           sun).


           I think a more appropriate translation of this is:
           ( Quiet flows the river and the moutains remains as
             beautiful as ever. However how many times can we
             still appreciate the beauty of sunset ? )

           A beautiful mental image that conveys a tragic sense of life.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ldong@hila.hut.fi (Liyun Dong)
Subject: Re: Looking for the PC-game -- digger -- Wa Jin Zhi
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 08:34:52 GMT

You can FTP it from tolsun.oulu.fi(130.231.96.16) in directory:
/pub/pc/GAMES/1  the file name is digger.arc

I liked it very much, now my son does.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Re: Forwarding - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:49:32 GMT

In article <3885@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
>>"There's no proof; they've never been caught." said Haislett, who finished
>>fourth in the 100-meter freestyle with a time of 55.17. "There's been
>>speculation and rumors, but until one is caught, there's nothing you can do
>>about it."
>
>As a frequent (especially with the establishment of tpc) reader of scc,
>we all know how many speculation and rumors can happen to China, right?
>
>Something we can do now is enjoy :)


This kind of rumor reminds me of the old days (:-) when USA women's
volleyball team beat China from time to time and many Chinese speculated
that Haman (sp?) in USA team was a man. People are people wherever they
are. Don't take them too seriously.
From: yidao@cae.wisc.edu (Yidao Cai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: to all the people who helped Shao Hui
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:14:12 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

In article <0095DECE.EEC98060@vms.csd.mu.edu> 5907anh@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>
>     Shao Hui passed away at 13:55, July 9, 1992.  We are in deep sorrow 
>...... 
>     During his illness from June 19, 1991 to July 9, 1992, Shao Hui 
>received attentive care and immense affections from people all over the 
>world.  Many people had their blood tested so that they might donate their 
>bone marrows for him. Blood of numerous people flew into his body and 
>helped sustain his life. Many doctors and nurses demonstrated their 
>superb medical skills and looked after him day and night. Many long and 
......>
>     We, family of Shao Hui and Marquette Chinese Students' Association, 
>would like to express our esteem and gratitude for you. We will learn from 
>you, and exert our best to promote philanthropy and to spread the world 
>with love. ......

	I am very sorry to hear this sad news.  But I think if he can go back 
 to China for treatment, there would be a better chance for him to live 
longer.  I spent several month almost 10 years ago with patients who had 
similar diseases when I was a medical students.  I know there are some   
drugs and methods that is not available in this country.  In general the 
medical technology here is much more advanced than that in China, but one has
to admit China is better in some particular fields.  Instead of waiting to die
here, we can turn to an alternative that provides some hope. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Lei@bnos.csd.bldrdoc.gov
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:12:30 GMT

>>There was one US diver who was asked in an ABC program about why Chinese
>>can do diving so well, he gave two reasons, one was because they worked hard
>>the other was that it was the only thing in their lives, that was why they
>>have to work so hard. Why can't he just accepts others are working harder

I guess he must believe that Jordan plays basketball so well is because
basketball is the only thing in Jordan's life. And he can't do diving
very well is because there are something else in his life, like drug and
whore.

>>and achieving better, other judgements are totally unnecessary.
>>
>I read this from World Journal: Why Chines won the Champaign Math
>Olympic? because they spent 365 days a year in math. Well for a loser,
>there is always something to say.

>>Lin Can

>Tingli Pan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz)
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:00:07 GMT

In <1992Jul28.165639.6557@umbc3.umbc.edu> yzhang@math12.math.umbc.edu (Yin Zhang) writes:

>I assume that the Chinese female swimmers in the contests all have
>passed the gender test and drug test.  So a gold medal is a gold
>medal.  Remember this is Olympics, not one of those Miss Universe
>contests where the prettiest girl wins.

Yeah, but also remember that if you come off the dope a few weeks
before the meet you won't get caught but the "benefits" linger.

Judge Raz.
From: notes@igc.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:23 PDT
Subject: Re: Use (o)ld command for old msgs
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:249500029:cdp:1472500012:000:320
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!notes    Jul 30 17:23:00 1992


At IGC, we have removed some of the old material from the archive
of this conference, and stopped regularly saving all of
the old material.  Contact 'support' if this presents a problem.

(we saved on tape all of the older material, so that
we can retrieve it at a later day if needed).


Steve Fram
IGC Technical Staff

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: A Dirty War (Was Re: No Dogs or Chineses)
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:16:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.174340.6944@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>In article <13664@mindlink.bc.ca> Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) writes:
>>    In article <1992Jul22.234050.5549@ulowell.ulowell.edu> (22 Jul 92)
>>Chunde Shi writes,
>>
>>> 2. Another objective [of 1979 Sino-Vietnam Border War] was to stop Vietnam
>>> abuse ethnic Chinese, which resulted around 300,000 refugees fled to China
>>> alone.
>>
>>    You'd better expand your source of information beyond the scope of your
>>trusted People's Daily.  Do you know the Khmer Rouge had wiped out the ethnic
>Autrocity commited by Khmer Rouge was during 1975-19079, China did not support
>it as much after Vietname invasion. U.S. supported Khmer Rouge through
>Thailand. China has nuetral position on Combodia issue.

Sir, have you read anything after the Sino-Vietnam War. Well, maybe
after Time's article about 60 swimming pools, anything can be the truth.

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: kenw@austlcm.sps.mot.com
Subject: Re: Daughter of General marry with son of Chair. of Allied-Signal
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:34:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.171557.1@tamar.compserv.utas.edu.au> p_mahnken@tamar.compserv.utas.edu.au writes:
>Shannon Yeh writes:+>the King Church in New Vernon, N.J.
>>>   Mrs. Wang-Hennessy, 35 years old, is a financial analyst
>>>at Allied-Signal Inc. in Morristown, N.J. She gratuated
>>>from the University of Houston. Her father, who is retired,
>>>was a general in the Chinese Army.
>>>   Mr. Hennessy, 36, is a products analyst in Troy, N.Y.,
>>>for the Allied-Signal Automotive North American Friction
>>>Materials Group. His father recently retired as the
>>>chairman of Allied-Signal.
>
>
>>This is the China 0 / US 1 game.  Let's see how many China 1 / US 0
>>games will happen:-).
>
>>(You know what 0 and 1 means by the physical appearance of these two digits.)
>
>Why don't you grow up you racist pig!
>Andrew Papadimos    

Mr. Papadimos:
       In fact, you should call yourself a racist pig by making the above comment.
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Three Ladies Walk Together ...
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:04:15 GMT

James wrote:
>reminds me of a story about a guy in Chinese history whom I have
<forgot his name. He together with his 9 familiies (9 Zu2) was
<sentenced to death by the emperor. Before his execution, he
<yelled to the emperor, "I am not afraid of death, even if you
<execute my ten-family relatives (Yi2 Shi2 Zu2)."

Guess you are talking about Dr. Fang XiaoRu. But the story can hardly
be used to prove your point. On the contrary, it proves mine :-)

>"Si" [_sic_] is an employee? This sounds like the American
<definition of teachers, except that the teachers in the U.S. are
<not respected.  :-)

That is basically right. From Dr. Johnny himself, he asked tuition
(becon) and tought. There was no father-son realtion between him and
his 3,000+ unders and 70+ graduates. Later, no matter Shu Si, Xi1 Xi2,
up to TaiZi TaiSi + 9 Sn, all are employees, though TaiZi TaiSi + 9 Sn
is usually a dangerous employee.

>Are you sure? Since I am also pretty sure that Confucius said
<this, so, if we are both correct, then Dr. Han must have stolen
<this statement from his great grand teacher. After all, Han Fei
<Zi's teacher "Xun2 Kuang4" was the student of Confucius' grandson
<(Kong3 Yu2)(?). :-)

Sorry for the misleading. I mean Dr. Han Yu, the guy like me in regards
of Fa Chang Chang, Shi Mang Mang, teeth loosing. The quotation in your
both articles are from his "On the definition and function of a teacher"
(Si Suo). That is classical Confucianist definition.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shanwang@sara.cc.utu.fi
Subject: Re: Football news from Finland
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:35:54 EET

In article <1992Jul23.121504.1@cc.helsinki.fi>, quanyi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
>> Chinese locomotive teenagefootball group visited Helsinki 2 weeks ago and
>> has won the championship without losing even one goal in the tournament.
>>
>	Wow, that's amazing!
>
>	By the way, Quanyi. Do you know the E-mail address of Helsinki
>	Technic College ?
>
>     	Cheers	
>
>	Yours 8*)  W.S.
>