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From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: Re: life and work
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 06:28:09 GMT

In article <MURPHYG.92Aug25140034@murphyg.Software.Mitel.COM> murphyg@Software.Mitel.COM (Gary Murphy) writes:
>This is not to
>justify North America's 15% of humanity consuming 85% of the world
>resources...

The U.S. and Canada are slightly more than 300 million, out of 5.5 billion.
The entire G-7 is about 12% of the population (but 15% of the land area, 
excluding antarctica).

That '85% of the world's resources' is highly questionable as well.  I
don't think even the G-7 nations consume 85% of _all_ resources.  Do you
have more information?

Many investors are turning 'green.'  The G-7 governments may ignore the
rest of the world, but green investors (thru IRS's and 401(k)s, for
instance) control a _lot_ of money,... and the amount of green money is
increasing dramatically each year.

However, tossing meaningless or out-of-date statistics is a good way
to get _all_ investors to ignore you.


Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: Re: Intimacy
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:47:42 GMT

Interesting tidbit:

Pam asked me to call her Wednesday, if Andrew wipes out New Orleans,
because she'll need a shoulder to cry on.

Before she would either not acknowledge the need or tell (demand) I
call.


Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer
From: int766m@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (S Malnovic)
Subject: Re: Not discussing cancer
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 06:50:33 GMT

Jill Helms (jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu) wrote:
: 
: Paul writes:
: 
: She died at home, with her daughters and her husband of 39 years by her side
: as she took her last breath.  
: 
: For some reason which I don't pretend to understand, the planning and the
: preparation made it easier at the end.
: 
: 
: I don't necessarily understand it either, but I know NOT talking about the absolute
: inevitability of death made things much more difficult. I can only posit that the
: reverse(talking about it) would make things easier.  Maybe because when we exert so much effort to "pretend" that life is going on in exactly the same manner before dx,
: it only serves to make us more atraid of the fact that death approaches.  I don't
: really know, but I wish I could have told her how very much I would miss her...
: 
: I hope that I have the same strength of character that your mother-in-law exhibited.
: It really is an inspiration.
: 
: Jill
: jhelms@cephalo.bcm.tmc.edu 

There is LIFE after death, no matter what others say.
And you will meet your loved ones again on another plain.
If you think positively about them, you can attract them to you, and
you may well meet in what YOU would call a dream. But for now, it
is best to let them go, till they have established themselves on the 
"other side".


Sascha
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer
Subject: Hodgkins Disease
From: asd_rgh@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 3 Sep 92 10:02:17 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

Hello folks:

As an individual who has recently been diagnosed as having Hodgkins Disease
(cancer of the lymphatic system), I am very interested in communicating with
others in a similar situation.  Currently, I participate in a support group at
our local hospital.  There's also a Hodgkins Disease support group, but I never
seem able to attend their meetings.

I just started chemo, and find I'm very tired and experiencing stomach upset. 
Also, I can't sleep. 

Any ideas on how to circumvent these yuckinesses?

Hope to talk to you soon.....

Becky

:-)


Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer
From: holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise)
Subject: COLON CANCER - ODDS OF SURVIVING
Keywords: Anyone know odds of surviving?
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 13:32:56 GMT

My father has recently had a cholostomy (probably not spelled right).  He 
had tumor removed and pathology report said tumor was cancerous and some of 
the surrounding tissue cancerous.  He won't let me talk to his oncologist.  
Said they said he can have chemotherapy once a week for 5 minutes for a year 
to prevent recurrance.

Last medical info I read gave chances of surviving 50-50.  It has not spread 
to liver or lungs.  Anyone know the odds?  My mother-in-law died of it 2 
years ago.  I don't know how far her's had spread.

My father also told me that there is a 1 in 2 chance of recurrance.  
However, since some of the surrounding tissue is cancerous, without the 
chemo it doesn't seem feasible that odds would be that good.  I'm afraid he 
won't get chemo.  Anyone know odds without chemo?
-----
holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
From: Bathsheba.Grossman@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Bathsheba Grossman)
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer
Subject: Medical database
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:49:34 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

I'm writing on behalf of my father, who has just had a lung carcinoid
removed.  The pathologists don't agree on what exactly it is, and although
neither of us has medical training, he would like to do some research on
the subject.  He thinks, and I agree, that knowing as much as possible
about similar conditions will help combat feelings of helplessness.

Does anyone know of an online medical database containing pathological
information, case histories, &ct?  Or a good offline source, for that
matter.

Thanks.

-Sheba
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Jill Helms)
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer
Subject: Not discussing cancer
Date: 27 Aug 1992 03:41:03 GMT
Reply-To: jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Jill Helms)
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Originator: jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu


Paul writes:

She died at home, with her daughters and her husband of 39 years by her side
as she took her last breath.  

For some reason which I don't pretend to understand, the planning and the
preparation made it easier at the end.


I don't necessarily understand it either, but I know NOT talking about the absolute
inevitability of death made things much more difficult. I can only posit that the
reverse(talking about it) would make things easier.  Maybe because when we exert so much effort to "pretend" that life is going on in exactly the same manner before dx,
it only serves to make us more atraid of the fact that death approaches.  I don't
really know, but I wish I could have told her how very much I would miss her...

I hope that I have the same strength of character that your mother-in-law exhibited.
It really is an inspiration.

Jill
jhelms@cephalo.bcm.tmc.edu
From: cb36+@andrew.cmu.edu (Cristina Bicchieri)
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer
Subject: diet pills
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:25:53 GMT
Organization: Philosophy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I was diagnosed with breast cancer 1 1/2 year ago. I underwent chemo,
and as a result gained a lot of weight. Now, I am on a diet program and
my doctor prescribed an anorexant called Fastin (phentermine). My
question is: Can such pills have an effect on cancer cells? For example,
in case they speed up metabolism, does it mean they also speed up the
rate of division of cancer cells? Can the substance be mutagenic? Thanks
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer
From: JOEL@jach.hawaii.edu (Joel Aycock)
Subject: Re: Medical database
Organization: UK Infrared Telescope, Joint Astronomy Centre, Hawaii
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 07:45:19 GMT
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In <1992Aug25.234934.23723@samba.oit.unc.edu> Bathsheba.Grossman@bbs.oit.unc.edu writes:

> Does anyone know of an online medical database containing pathological
> information, case histories, &ct?  Or a good offline source, for that
> matter.

The NIH National Cancer Institute database is available to all, and has
up-to-date articles and bibliographies, geared for both the physician and
patient. To get info and order articles via EMAIL and FAX, send email to 

	CANCERNET@ICICB.NCI.NIH.GOV

The text of the mail message should simply read:

	HELP

You should get the info file regarding access within a few hours.

aloha.
Organization: Philosophy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 1992 18:59:51 -0400 
From: Cristina Bicchieri <cb36+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: diet pills and cancer

 
I was diagnosed with breast cancer 1 1/2 year ago. I underwent chemo,
and as a result gained a lot of weight. Now, I am on a diet program and
my doctor prescribed an anorexant called Fastin (phentermine). My
question is: Can such pills have an effect on cancer cells? For example,
in case they speed up metabolism, does it mean they also speed up the
rate of division of cancer cells? Can the substance be mutagenic? Thanks
From: Scott.Maxwell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Scott Maxwell)
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer
Subject: Re: Hodgkins Disease
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:35:01 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Sep3.100217.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> asd_rgh@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

>Hello folks:
>
>As an individual who has recently been diagnosed as having Hodgkins Disease
>(cancer of the lymphatic system), I am very interested in communicating with
>others in a similar situation. [ ... ]

Well, I just finished treatments for Hodgkins a couple of weeks ago
(yay!). It seems to be gone, though of course I have to wait for the
follow-up exams to confirm this.

Take heart: when I was going through my treatments, one of the techs said
to me, "You know, you have the kind of cancer I'd want to get if I ever
got cancer." Alluding, of course, to the fact that Hodgkins responds
exceptionally well to treatment (doctorspeak for: we can cure it).

I'm now attending graduate school in Computer Science at the University of
Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Takes more than a little cancer to slow *me*
down ... (gallows humor, sorry). 

>I just started chemo, and find I'm very tired and experiencing stomach upset. 
>Also, I can't sleep. 
>
>Any ideas on how to circumvent these yuckinesses?

Well, I was lucky enough to get away with just radiation treatments. (I
had about as good an experience with cancer as a person can have, and
don't think I don't know it.) Others on this newsgroup have posted about
recently developed drugs (Zofram? something like that) that practically
eliminate nausea. Ask yer doctor. 

>Hope to talk to you soon.....

Hope to *keep* talking to you. Kill that damn cancer.

>Becky

--
Scott Maxwell (Scott.Maxwell@bbs.oit.unc.edu)
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: nichols@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Pat Nichols)
Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer
Subject: Re: Hodgkins Disease
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:03:07 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <1992Sep3.100217.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> asd_rgh@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>I just started chemo, and find I'm very tired and experiencing stomach upset. 
>Also, I can't sleep. 

>Any ideas on how to circumvent these yuckinesses?

Hi Becky!

Welcome to alt.support.cancer.  It has been almost two years since I
had chemo (for breast cancer) and the description of your symptoms
brings back all of the "happy" memories.  I had similar symptoms from
chemo.  I told my oncologist about the side-effects and she was able to
adjust types and quantities of anti-nausea drugs to improve the nausea
and help me sleep.  Not sleeping was one of the worst side-effects of
the anti-nausea drugs.  I felt super fatigued and just awful, but I was
too hyper to sleep.  It took a couple of months to get it right, but
eventually we reached a balance point.  I tried to take as little
anti-nausea drug as possible but just enough to control the nausea.

Good luck getting things adjusted for yourself.

The foods I ate made a big difference in my case.  My husband was
constantly experimenting with different foods, many of which I could
not eat.  My favourite was ice-cream and I had really bizarre craving
for pickles and steak during various parts of the chemo cycle.  I
suspect everyone is different though.

As for fatigue, I never did learn how to improve on that, but have an
understanding of the word "fatigue" that I didn't have before.  I did
learn to be very patient though, and to pace myself so that I didn't
burn out and get even sicker.

All the best!  My heart goes out to you--chemo is not at the top of my
"Fun Things to Do" list.  If you need to talk, feel free to e-mail to
me or post to the net (I am sure that others can learn from you).

I wish I had a support group to talk to when I was going through
chemo.  The local one met once every month on the worst day of my
chemo cycle (mine was 6 cycles of 4 weeks each) and I was far too
sick to go.  I finally did get to go after I finished chemo and it
was still great, but I could have really used it when I was at my
worst.

"The force be with you!"

Pat
From: murphyg@Software.Mitel.COM (Gary Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: lives and works (was Re: life and work)
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:31:11 GMT
	<MURPHYG.92Aug19115537@peplinsk.Software.Mitel.COM>
	<wh+n-=q.ort@netcom.com>
Organization: Applications Software II, MITEL Corporation, Kanata, Ontario,
	Canada
In-reply-to: ort@netcom.com's message of 22 Aug 92 09:16:49 GMT

Thank you, David, for bringing up these points on the dollar-value
expenditures, and here again I will highly recommend both the reading of
works on the subject by America's Friendly Genius (Richard Buckminster
Fuller) and request your active involvement in the works that have
sprung from his --- a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single
step, and we get no closer until that step is taken.

In article <wh+n-=q.ort@netcom.com> ort@netcom.com (David Oertel) writes:

   I think that your posting misses the original point because very few people
   labor to meet basic human needs.

Just an aside, the posting you refer to here was concerned over what
that poster could do and concerned that their own labour lacked meaning
because they were not the grand all-problem-solving plans the poster had
imagined they must be.  I think his position is a lot healthier than
thinking their plan is the one and only to save the world (like mine
;-)), but I think the basic problem being expressed was personal and not
just a comment on society (why else post to alt.support?)

   For example, our greatest export by dollar
   value is still advanced weapon systems.  

Bucky, and especially the WorldGame Institute have been keeping track
far longer and far more dilligently than I have.  Here is what they
conclude: ONE QUARTER OF THE WORLD'S TOTAL MILITARY EXPENDITURES WOULD
GIVE ALL HUMANITY A HIGHER STANDARD OF LIVING THAN ENJOYED BY TODAY'S
MILLIONAIRES.  As usual, the problem is not our technology or
understanding the problem.  The problem is political and anyone who
thinks politics now or has ever addressed the needs of the people
deserves a lolly-pop.  This is not a new situation.

   There seems to be an inertia effect that 
   keeps society from figuring out that it's no longer necessary, and that 
   it's time for us pursue our own interests.  If someone can figure out how
   to steer society in this more reasonable direction, maybe they can spread
   the word that information workers no longer need to make this ridiculous
   effort to assemble in one geographical location every day like manufacturing
   workers had to.

Read "Grunch of Giants" if you want to know how this was attempted, and
how it must fail.  Bucky, in his typically meticulous style, had already
worked out the solutions to fine details, and then sat patiently waiting
for everyone to see the obvious.  The key is not in knowing the stats.
The key is in what you are going to do about it _today_.  You've done
your bit by bringing up the subject.  I've done a bit by relaying to all
who read this a reference where a solution is proposed.  Now ... what
shall we do next?

--
Gary Lawrence Murphy - Gary.Murphy@software.mitel.COM - (613) 592-2122 x3709
 Real generosity toward the future lies in giving all to the present.
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Monday, 31 Aug 1992 13:09:00 EST
From: Chris Maukonen <chris@aquarius.cc.ucf.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Denial

I do not know, Bear. This whole thing sounds very scary to me. I mean
how do you know if she is really being straight with you now. Considering
her past stuff. These "games" she seems to be playing are not unusual.
people with that much burried pain and hurt will do ANYTHING to keep it
from coming to the surface and it sounds as though she has a great deal
of it. It's just that the more you say about this arangement, the less
good it sounds. I mean it sounds to me like this person is really empty
and hurting and needs help and I am afraid for you and her in this.


Try not to loose sight of your own needs and not get too hung up on
rescueing her. This would not do you or her any good.


Thake care

Chris
From: samn@athena.mit.edu (Valerie Samn)
Subject: Mom @ college cont . . .
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:18:15 GMT


I just wanted to thank all of you who responded to my post . . . i am
reminded of how awesome people can be.  :-)  :-)  :-)

I'm sorry i haven't had time to respond, though . . . i've been kinda
busy but i had to let you all know that i *really* appreciate all of
your comments and support!  

well, just to let y'all know how it's going, things aren't turning out
the way i thought it would . . . some for better and some for worse . . .
'some for worse' is the fact that my mom wavers in her decisions and
cannot decide whether or not to 1) go back home and seek counseling or
2) stay here and establish a life of her own or 3) go home and forget the
whole thing (as she has done so many times in the past).  By the laws of
entropy and/or lowest energy states, she seems to choose #3 more than 
either of the first two . . . which i feel to be an extreme mistake because
even though the problem/conflict/fight/frustration she has with my father
is constant, her desire to commit suicide has seemed to increase with each 
argument lately.  this is something that i have encountered to a large extent
this time.  but i think that she has agreed that if she goes home she
will buy a ticket with an open-ended return, so that will help . . .

and she seems to forget the reasons behind certain decisions and seems
to feel strongly about entirely differnt things from moment to moment
and i am sometimes ready to give up but then i think that if i let her
be then she will make the same confining and dangerous decision this
time.  

i have asked her if she wants me to post something to this group for
her "anonymously" . . . so i may do that . . . but she has no clue that
*i* am posting to this group . . . .

thankyouthankyouthankyou again to all of you . . . you all are wonderful!

-v 
 
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Book, "Thin So Fast"
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:15:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.222558.12381@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.192026.23536@cco.caltech.edu> rberteig@cco.caltech.edu (Ross Berteig) writes:
>>I would like to lose over 100 lbs.  I tried this diet once before and I 
>>remember that I lost 20 pounds in no time at all!
>
>Losing 20 pounds is easy for anyone who needs to lose a lot of weight AND
>manages to get their will power jump-started.  Keeping it off is what's
>difficult.  

I'll say.

>I think it's a very rare person who has long term success
>with a VLCD.  I'm filled with admiration for anyone who can.
>

Frankly, it's a very rare person who has long term success, period.  The
advantage to VLCDs is that they are quick and relatively painless, 
emotionally and physically (no obsessing with measuring, no hunger). 

If you are prepared to change what got you fat, then a VLCD is probably
an excellent way to get to your goal weight.  But if you aren't, it's
a total waste of your time and money.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:54:35 GMT
Subject: Re: weirdness and weighing in
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

Being somewhat prone to extremes (standard smiley here :-), I've
noticed some weight gain after a week of *heavy* exercise.  More
specifically, if my exercise calories increase by 3000 or so for the
week, I will usually have some additional weight.  Some of that is
food, but I'm told that heavily exercised muscles tend to retain
water (until they acclimate? Don't know.).

It is entirely possible to lose weight while ill, due to the water
retention reversing.

Pete Brooks
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Rice Diet
Keywords: rice diet
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:53:16 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Sep1.235418.13595@noao.edu> paterson@noao.edu (Pat Patterson) writes:
>Hello everyone,
>
>Does anyone have a copy of the rice diet?
>
>It was popular a few years ago -- and it may well fit into the
>low-fat diets of today.
>
The rice diet I'm familiar with was a quack diet that didn't
have sufficient variety to be nutritious.  I'd stay away from
that sort of thing.  Rice is fine to have on your diet,
but it shouldn't be your only food.
-- 
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