HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: 31ochs@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: CP Rail multimark orientation
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:12:59 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Jul24.025130.2866@ee.ryerson.ca>, cal@ee.ryerson.ca (Calvin Henry-Cotnam) writes:
> In article <1992Jul22.194142.4689@gw.wmich.edu> 31ochs@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>> [ description of the orientation of CP Rail's multimark deleted ]
>>
>>Does anybody have any idea what is the difference? Is it certain number series,
>>
> 
> According to "Rail Canada Volume 3" by Donald C. Lewis, LPD Publishing
> (second printing 1986) on page 9,
> 
> 	It is always applied to flat vertical surfaces at the rear
> 	of locomotives with the triangle facing the forward end of
> 	the locomotive.
> 
> In other words, looking at the right side it is on the left pointing
> right and looking at the left side, it is on the right pointing left.
> 
> Now, and this is my extension of this (don't shoot me if I'm wrong),
> on freight cars, I believe that the "A" end is considered the front
> and therefore the same rules should apply.  In other words, the
> multimark is at the "B" end and points towards the "A" end.
> 
> Now what is "A" and what is "B"?  Good question, and someone else
> will have to answer that to be certain.  But I can say for sure,
> having recently painted two CP hoppers (I have a personal rule
> to always have full photographs showing all sides of a car's paint
> scheme and to have a real prototype for the car number I paint)
> that the brake wheel is at the end with the multimark.
> 
> I hope this clarifies this for you.

Well, yes and no. I know that the multimark is on the "back" end of the
locomotives, (at least ones that still have them)
but like I said before, most if not all freight cars I have seen, looking
at the car from either side, it is on either the left, or the right, but
not both. So looking at it from one side, it would be on the end with the
brakewheel, and on the other side, it wouldn't.
I guess I'll really focus on it next time I go railfanning and see CP stuff.


Fred Ochs
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ochs@sol.cs.wmich.edu (unix)
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From: sfsmith@pennsas.upenn.edu (Sandy F. Smith, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: SUBWAY STORIES: Metro
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:17:44 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Jul29.163906.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>, 11jodom@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
> 
> I decided to reply under "Subway Stories" because I just wanted to let
> you folks know that I saw a book at the Dalton [sp?] Books store about
> the history of the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority's 
> metrorail subway system.  
> 
> It is a very interesting book.   Has layout plans of what they planned
> for the Metro System back then in 1968 until the Metro's opening on
> March 16[?], 1976.    

Title, please?  Author(s)?  Publisher?  Publication date?

Thanks...
___________________
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Graduate Division, School of Arts and Sciences, University of Pennsylvania
16 College Hall, Philadelphia, PA 19104-6378.  (Opinions mine, not Penn's)
Internet: sfsmith@pennsas.upenn.edu
 
"The God I serve don't make no trash!" -- Rev. Emanuel Cleaver, Mayor, City
of Kansas City, Mo.
From: yhshowie@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Howard Wharton)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Department of Defense move
Date: 26 Jul 92 03:32:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul23.212830.15520@newstand.syr.edu>, cwebster@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Chris Webster) writes...
>Today I was sitting in the Carousel Center's (a large shopping mall) parking
>lot, watching trains as my so shopped....  Anyway, it was a dreary day, as
>often is typical of Syracuse, and the view between me and the tracks was
>obstructed by traffic, wire lines, a fence, etc, so I didn't have my 
>camera out.  The second train to come by was an eastbound that consisted of:
> 
>1) a Conrail C40-8W, painted up in the Conrail Quality scheme
>2) an empty Trailer Train bulkhead flatcar
>3) a DODX flatcar carrying something that was large and cylindrical, covered
>   by a tarp
>4) a yellowish DODX caboose!
> 
>So, not only did I miss the chance to miss a three car train pulled by
>a 4000hp loco, I missed the chance to shoot a caboose and the chance to
>shoot a special DODX caboose.  And alas, I couldn't chase after it (SO
>was in the mall...)
> 
>What the hell was this?  Griffiss Air Force is roughly forty miles east of
>where I spotted it; could it have been heading there?
> 
>And, why do you need 4000 hp to pull it?  The flatcar looked like a normal
>capacity, two truck/two axles per truck car.
> 
> 
>--
>-Chris Webster @ Syracuse University |
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>Bitnet:cwebster@sunrise.acs.syr.edu  | 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This could be a cross country move as some military trains have been coming through Buffalo
Buffalo, some heading towards Fort Drum while others for Seneca or parts
unknown. Its almost impossible to learn its true destination a s this
is what the DOD wants.
From: yhshowie@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Howard Wharton)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: BOOK on NYCTA
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:24:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Could I get information on the book "Subway Lives" by Jim Dwyer, such as
who publishes it. Thank you in advance.
From: PLAWS@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU (Peter Laws)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: The Thoroughbred (was CNN commercial)
Date: 28 Jul 1992 10:28:31 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

The ad is, in fact, for NS, The Thoroughbred of Transportation.  It has some
of the best animation I've seen in a TV ad.  Not that I'm biased toward a RR
theme, or anything. 8-)  Interesting that they are the only National RR ad that
one ever sees...

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From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Push-Pull Service: Which Way do the Locomotives Point?
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:06:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: s1.1992Jul21.110647.6495
Organization: LLNL
Originator: lip@s1.gov


	Thanx for all the info on push-pull railroad service.

	Here's another interesting configuration: that of the French
TGV. It has an electric locomotive on each end of the train, making it
symmetric, and presumably able to move in both directions. A
locomotive may be necessary at each end to guarantee that the forward
end is always streamlined (probably critical for 200 mph speeds), in
whichever direction the train is moving. That is not always possible
with the typical passenger car.

	Interestingly, the TGV passenger cars are in 10-car units,
each pair of cars sharing a bogie, instead of every car having two
bogies (very common). This multi-car unit does not, however, share
bogies with the locomotives. I have seen shared bogies for some LRV's,
such as the Santa Clara ones (two cars with a hinge between them and
riding on three bogies). I have even seen some shared-bogie flatcars
(for freight).

/Loren
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: rjkopp@newstand.syr.edu (Ray Kopp)
Subject: Adirondack Railway Reborn 
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 12:30:22 EDT

For those that might live around the Adirondacks and were at all familiar with
the Adirondack Railroad that was in existance about 10 years back or so.  It
is once again running.  It currently only goes about 10-15 miles if that, 
basically from Thendara to Old Forge (I think that is the limits).  They are
currently working on restoring the right of way.  It was apparently brought
back to life by the Mohawk National Rail Historical Society.  At the Old
Forge terminal (There really is no terminal at the other end!), they have a 
small museum and gift shop with several buttons and Tee shirts and some other
items for sale.  They have a short train ride that goes down the track in some
pretty scenic area by the Big Moose River then stops in the middle of them and
backs back to the station (all for only $5 for adults and I think $2 or 3 for
children).
  
The train active that day consisted of two coaches not in too bad condition,
without rest rooms on board and not all the windows operated.   They were
pulled by an older Alco switcher (S2?).  They also have another switcher in
the barn under cover.  It is not an Alco though, I think an EMD but not sure.
The one running yesterday is painted in an Alco Green Demonstrator scheme.
The one in the barn is painted green with Large red stripe around the end of
the hood and below the cab is printed "Hercules".  Although I'm not too sure
of what that stood for (a business or what?).

All in all it was unexpected finding this, but glad to see the rail getting
used, Fall trips should be really nice, especially if they do get more line
open by then.  They had a lot of business since their opening day July 4th.
I'm sure much of this is normal tourist trade, some customers complained 
alittle about the brevity of the trip and the fact they were backed all the
way back, but us railfans are happy to get anything.  Plus that $5.00 fee
is much more affordable than some of the 25 or 30 miles rail/dinner trips 
that some places run.  

Ray Kopp
Internet: rjkopp@mailbox.syr.edu
Bitnet: RJKOPP@SUVM.BITNET
Syracuse, New York
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:26:39 EDT
From: <EVX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: old Pennsy & Reading EMUs - where are they now?
Distribution: na

The RCT&HS has several RDG MU's.  One has the pantographs with the old
buffer plates that were used to conduct power from one set of pantographs
to another set of pantographs still attached. (These plates were removed
when the MArket East project eliminated RDG TERMINAL.)  A string of
RDG MU's in Blueliner scheme and SEPTA schemes also belongs to the RCT&HS.
The one with the Buffer plates is in RDG green.  These cars are at the
Leesportyard of the BM&R where the RCT&HS has a temporary but nice
museum.  Weekends people staff a passenger car with exhibits, RCT&HS
merchandise (T-shirts, calendars, publications, and mugs (ETC)) and other
RCT&HS members can be seen hard at work on various restorations (FP-7,
GE U-boat, RDG cabins, freight cars, and the MU's.)  Furthermore, 7 cars
are on the way from SEPTA to Leesport.  However, they are stranded near
Phila. until CR repairs the 9 bad journals.  Therefore, over ten RDG
Mu's will be at Leesport soon.  Hopefully the RCT&HS will be able to
create a RDG CO train out of them to be pulled by FP-7 or BM&R T-1
#2102.IF you have interest in the MU's: the RCT&HS could give you info.
------------------------
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RCT&HS Membersince 1988.
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: jack@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Kobzeff)
Subject: Re: SCCRA pays $500 mil. for Sante Fe lines
Followup-To: rec.railroad
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:13:21 GMT

In article <122200138@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, wbrill@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Warren
Brill) wrote:
> 
> In rec.railroad, grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
> 
> > In article <14402@umd5.umd.edu> gurd@wam.umd.edu writes:
> > > Yes that's right 500 MILLION dollars for 340 miles of right's of way,  
> > > use-rights, and outright purchases of lines.  Does anybody from Southern  
> 
> Which line(s) did they buy?  340 miles is a pretty good chunk of steel
> (and real estate)!  Any info?  

In my understanding, they bought almost all of the LA area SF lines, except
for the Cajon Pass-Santa Ana Canyon-Fullerton-LA main. The Metrolink will
have some rights on that line. Even the LA-San Diego line was included in
the deal. And SF will have some freight rights on most of the lines that
they sold. 

Between the SP deal (mostly old Pacific Electric track) and the SF tracks,
we should have some real commuter trains here in LA. Who would have thought
it???

Jack Kobzeff     (jack@jato.jpl.nasa.gov)
From: bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Appropriately red
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:01:20 GMT
Reply-To: bob%1776.UUCP@XAIT.Xerox.COM (Robert Coe)
Distribution: na
Organization: 1776 Enterprises, Sudbury MA

Continuing a recent thread, I thought I'd point out the new Cross pens (red 
with gold trim) appear to display a good reproduction of the much discussed
Pennsylvania RR color.

(I have no connection whatsoever with the Cross Pen Company, which also off-
ers a black pen that mimics the color of many steam locomotives.)   :^)

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From: CPLS13@email.mot.com (Steven_Cohn)
Subject: Re: rec. railroad
Organization: Motorola_CoveragePLUS
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:40:09 GMT
Followup-To: rec.railroad

In article <10024@jt_home.uucp>,
dtyler%jt_home.uucp@amber.athena.lkg.dec.com (David Tyler) wrote:
> 
> Hi!, Does anybody have any infomation about the current status of the
> Chicago EL? I would also like to know about Rapid transit around the
> Phoenix-Tuscon area. Any information will be suitable.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> =:-)- See ya!!. 

What about the EL ?  It is alive and well(?) for the most part.  They, like
most public transit systems have money problems, but it still runs.  Did
you have any specific info you wanted?

Steven Cohn
Motorola CoveragePLUS Engineering
CPLS13@EMAIL.MOT.COM
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,soc.culture.canada,can.general
From: cal@ee.ryerson.ca (Calvin Henry-Cotnam)
Subject: Re: TTC POP fines (was Railway police in Canada (was NYC's Transit Police))
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto
Distribution: ont
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:31:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.141200.20640@bnr.ca> dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer) writes:
>
>Fines in Ottawa are also $53.75, so I assume this is some province-wide
>(legislated?) amount.
>
As I mentioned in another posting on this subject, the ticket issued
is the same type of ticket that a speeding offence, or a drinking in
a public place offense is written on.  So, I would assume that this
is some sort of provincial legislation.

I of course would have to ask, why is the fine on GO Transit $78.75
for what would seem to be the same offense?

Incidently other fines are strange like this.  Driving 25 km/h over
the limit is $78.75 and I believe that driving 15 km/h over the limit
is $41.25.  I repeat your question, "why"?

Calvin Henry-Cotnam, CATE            |    MY CANADA INCLUDES CANADIANS!
Ryerson Polytechnical Institute      | I would really like this to include
Toronto, Ontario, Canada             | Quebec - but I won't hold my breath.
From: james@cats.ucsc.edu (James C. Bohem)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: old Pennsy & Reading EMUs - where are they now?
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:02:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


Does anyone know what happened to the large fleet of red & green
Pennsy and Reading EMU's (from before the silverliner era) that
were retired 10+ years ago? A lot of them used to sit in the
yard at 30th St., but I don't think they're there any more.

Did any of them wind up in museums?

-- 

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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: old Pennsy & Reading EMUs - where are they now?
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:36:26 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Distribution: na
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <156q05INNg3q@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> james@cats.ucsc.edu (James C. Bohem) writes:
> 
> Does anyone know what happened to the large fleet of red & green
> Pennsy and Reading EMU's (from before the silverliner era) that
> were retired 10+ years ago? A lot of them used to sit in the
> yard at 30th St., but I don't think they're there any more.
> 
> Did any of them wind up in museums?

Most of them found their way to the scrap yards.  I'm not sure how
many found their way intact into museums, there might be one at the
PA RR museum at Strassburg.  A number have ended up at tourist lines
over the years, with the electrical gear torched off, to serve as
light coaches, open cars or gift shops.

One was seen serving as the office of an auto junkyard south of
Wilmington...

As of a few months ago, there were still a few of the Reading cars
up at Wayne junction.  I suspect there may also be a string of SEPTA
painted Pennsy cars at one of the shops, but I'm not certain of this.

-- 
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but no way officially representing:   domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
Commodore, Engineering Department     phone:  215-431-9349 (only by moonlite)
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Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:42:03 -0400 
From: Denise Pullen <dp2r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Uploads to wuarchive.wustl.edu

I have uploaded the following files for anonymous ftp from
wuarchive.wustl.edu in /graphics/trains/jpeg:

jpeg3.zip         MS-DOS jpeg compression/decompression program for XT/AT's.

jpeg3386.zip      MS-DOS jpeg compression/decompression program for 
                  386/486's.

jpegsrc.v3.tar.Z  cjpeg/djpeg compilable source code for UNIX and MS-DOS.
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff)
Subject: Re: Amtrak improvements
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:31:30 GMT

Just a few comments about the AMTRAK suggestions:

1.  Due to the way the air ducts work on the Superliners, 
you can't let people smoke in the lower level without 
forcing the smoke into the upper level.  On my last trip
it was gaggingly obvious when someone was smoking in the
rest rooms or the center vestabule.  One possibility 
might be to put a seperate air handling unit in the lower
coach section.  Unfortunately, this would remove handicapped
seating (which is what the section was intended for).  The
smoke would still spread everytime the door was opened.

2.  Equipping the crew with headsets is an interesting idea,
but probably impractical.  Even a padded headset hurts your
ears after an hour (I used to be a radio announcer).

3.  I agree using the PA for crew messages is inappropriate, 
though I enjoyed speculating about what was going on.  On
the CZ two years ago, I had the pleasure of riding with Kurt
Katz who gave a very interesting running commentary about the
towns we passed through, including many interesting and obscure
facts.  Mr. Katz has dramatic training, and spends his spare
time boning up in his portable history library.  On other CZ
trips, the crew made occasional comments, but not with the 
flare of Mr. Katz.  Volunteers do commentary on the Cardinal
through the New River Gorge.  Without meaning to belittle their
generous efforts, most don't know how to use a microphone and
most of their comments on my trips were lost to background 
noice or not having the mike the right distance from their
mouths.

4.  I have met both pleasant and surley counter people in the
snack cars.  I can't say I would be any happier if I had to 
breathe that smoke all day.  (Having some seats for non-smokers
is a joke).  Anyone can have an off day and their under a lot
of pressure.  Besides, they have a union and are practically
un-fireable.
~S
--
Garth (Haridas) Groff
"Not yet famous author"
ggg9y@poe.acc.virginia.EDU         Chant "Govinda Bohlo Hare"
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,wi.general,milw.general
From: dave@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David A Rasmussen)
Subject: Hispeed Rail talk, FM 90.7, 6pm
Originator: dave@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: UW-Milwaukee Computing Services Division
Distribution: wi
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:53:41 GMT


      Joseph Vranich author of the controversial book, " Supertrains-Solution
      America's Gridlock", will be on Wisconsin Public Radio, WHA 90.7 tonight
      at 6:00 PM. All of Wisconsin Public Radio'stalk stations will be carry-
      ing this broadcast; the music stations such as WERN, Madison will not.

      Today Joe Vranich had been on Chicago radio station WBEZ talking about
      high speed trains instead of building a new airport.




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From: pdm@grebyn.com (Paul Makinen)
Subject: 470 Club, Boston
Summary: address for 470 Club in Boston 
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:54:21 GMT


Does anyone have an address or phone number for the 470 Railfan Club in
Boston?  I understand they occasionally run special trains to my old 
hometown (Rockland, Maine, on the former Maine Central line now owned 
by a two-person short-line rail company based in Rockland), and I'd like
to take the ride.  Thanks in advance,

Paul
From: Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: No Horns Allowed (was Re: accidents at level crossings)
Date: 26 Jul 92 17:26:06 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Jack Hamilton writes:
> 
> I've heard about laws like this, and I've always wondered: how do local
> communities have control over the behavior of trains?  ICC or FRA rules
> would override local laws.  Is horn-blowing strictly up to each individual
> line, and not required by regulation?


No, the communities have to apply to the railway involved, and to the FRA (or
NTA in Canada) for approval.  The site is inspected, modifications made (if any
are ordered), then approval is given.

The whole process usually takes a number of months.

--

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 OR      a777@mindlink.bc.ca   []     CP Rail - Cascade Sub
 The Great White North in      []
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From: ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl)
Subject: Re: ICE high speed train
Summary: another ICE/TGV comparison
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:22:03 GMT



Another comment on the thread of comparing the TGV and ICE trains:
Though I don't have the figures in front of me, I saw somewhere
That the power consumption of the ICEs is substantially lower than
that of the TGVs.  Yes, the ICEs are a little slower, but according
to this source, the ICE electrical consumption was MUCH lower in
proportion.

-- Ernest
-- 

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                                         FAX:  +1  919   286-1696
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