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From: fbowles@gssec.bt.co.uk (Frank K Bowles)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Democracy and the law (was Re: Record shops (LPs))
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:23:26 GMT
Organization: BT

In article <JIM.93Jan19131224@hunter.cs.strath.ac.uk>, jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) writes:
 [I also don't remember the Poll Tax being in the manifesto
|> for the second Thatcher government which introduced it. So Scotland
|> got a tax from a party it didn't vote for which wasn't even in its
|> manifesto!] 

You may not remember it but it was there in both the UK and Scottish Tory manifestos in 1987.

It was only an immediate prospect in Scotland so the media didn't
bother too much about it.  Neither did Labour or the Alliance.  It was
one of the single biggest faux pas's ever made, as it was the Tories
biggest Achilles heel that year.

Frank
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From: arf@otter.hpl.hp.com (Andrew Farmer)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:13:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Britain should be a federatin
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british


In soc.culture.british, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:

> Britain should be a Confederation made up of England, Scotland, Northern
> ireland and Wales with each region having there own Premier.  It might help
> to solve some of the alienation problem.

	Please stop telling to us what with we should be DOING!!! with our
 blessed SOVEREIGN!!! (dr. who) Nation. It has nothing to do with you
 furriners.

	arf
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The weather (request for information)
Date: 23 Jan 93 12:51:07 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1993Jan21.125810.13354@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
> No. Scotland has had quite a bit of snow, but snow in England
> is increasingly becoming a rarity. There has been none at all
> in London this winter.

Yet. In my experience of Oxfordshire the coldest time of year recently has
always been in February or March, often accompanied by heavy snowfalls which
cut the city off for a day or two. So far we have had a grand total of fifteen
minute's snow this winter, which hung around for a couple of minutes.
-- 

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From: kelly@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: seperate hot and cold water taps in the UK
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:43:34 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Ray Davis (rdavis@convex.com) wrote:
: pi101@cus.cam.ac.uk (P.M. Inman) writes:
: 
: >feeble, the need for cold water tanks in the loft) derives from an almost
: >paranoid concern to protect the purity of the public water supply from
: >back-infection from the domestic site.
: 
: Which didn't do much good when I lived in Wimbledon and the water
: supply was contaminated with almost microscopic worms.  Then there
: was the time when dead mice were stinking up the water tank in the
: attic.  My recent trip to London and near Birmingham reminded me
: that even in a high-class hotel the water often comes out of the
: tap looking a bit brown.
: 
: Love it.  B-)


Are you being serious? I have lived in various parts of the UK all my life,
and the only place where I have experienced slightly brown water was in the
Scottish island of Skye. This came as a complete surprise at the time
as I had never experienced anything other than crystal-clear water for the
rest of my life. What `high-class' hotels were these (so that I can avoid
them myself)?

Ian

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From: yan-dicky@cs.yale.edu (Dicky Yan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Kingston Polytech
Date: 27 Jan 1993 01:58:47 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
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I was told that the polytechnics in Britain have been renames uinversities.

* My friend went to Kingston Polytech in south London. Does anyone know what is
  it called now?

* What is the practical significance of this change of name?
  (Well, I think this will attract more foreign students, since they can
   now get a degree from a larger choices of universities as against polytechs;
   this will be especially true for those from certain third world countries
   and some from certain commonwealth countries.
   A friend told me he saw an internal report of a certain university in the
   UK saying,"Taking foreign student is still the most profitable source of
   income." The last time I checked, it was like 6,000 pounds per year per
   person (overseas student) for an engineering degree at a London U. college--
   fees for humanities subjects were lower. One college even got the 
   Queen's annual award for export!! (of what? knowledge?))

Dicky.
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:05:15 EST
From: Aengus Lawlor <RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: American humo(u)r (was Re: Studying Me
 <1jek0uINN9ba@curie.lif.icnet.uk> <4015@wyse.wyse.com>
 <1993Jan20.231637.1684@projtech.com>

In article <1993Jan20.231637.1684@projtech.com>, sanjiv@projtech.com (Sanjiv
Gossain) says:
>In article <4015@wyse.wyse.com> jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497) writes:
>>2500 seems a little high, I'd guess you've got one too many zeros.
>>
>>My home town (Santa Cruz) is a small coastal resort which by any standards
>>would rate as a 'safe' California city. So far this year there have been two
>>homicides. Last year there were only a couple.
>>
>>Cities like Oakland have a couple of hundred per year.
>
>Yes, I wouldn't classify Oakland as safe at all.
>
>There was an article in the Oakland Tribune last week
>that gave statistics for the number of homicides last year
>in Oakland....172 was the total. That was up by around 10 from 1991
>I think. The majority were from the use of firearms (around 115)
>and I think that more happened on a Tuesday night than any other (!?).
>Some of the other statistics were also just as frightening.
>
The Irish Times had an article about crime statistics for 1992 last week.
It said that there had been 41 deaths by violence, of which between 1/2 and
2/3s would likely be defined as murder (as against unlawful killing,
manslaughter or misadventure, I suppose). 6 of the deaths were the result
of gunfire. Most of the rest were the result of stabbings or beatings.

These figures were for the Republic of Ireland. Another article, in a
different paper, gave the number of deaths in Northern Ireland due to
'the Troubles' as 89. (Loyalists 40, Republicans 35, Security Forces 15,
roughly).
>
>Sanjiv
>
Aengus
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"Certainly, sir. Would that be Dry or Sparkling?"
From: roger@ittpub.nl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: ORIENTEERING: where are the JK's?
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:16:58 GMT
Organization: ITT Publitec R+D BV, Amsterdam

Does anyone know where the JK's are being held this year?

Place, dates and an address to get entry forms from would be much appreciated.

	Thank you,

		Roger Hicks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Re: Charles's DNA tested to prove not illigitimate
Organization: The Evil Fascist IRC Admins From Hell, Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:04:22 GMT

Richard> == C R Pennell <hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg> 

 : The last King to lead his troops in battle was George II at Dettingen
 : (1743). Of course this isn't a direct answer to the question because
 : presumably some earlier Kings may not have had any battles to lead troops
 : in. My vote therefore goes to George III as the first King not to lead
 : his troops in battle.

 Richard> Mmm, but that wan't the question, was it? The word used was
 Richard> "monarch" Did Mary Tudor lead her troops?

Mary headed, at least nominally, the "fight" to get her throne back from
9-day queen Lady Jane Grey. Mostly against Grey's father-in-law, Duke of
Northumberland John Dudley, but still. 

Couldn't have been much of a fight. :-)

--Helen
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa
From: lenivch@maclaurin.mit.edu (Witold Biedrzycki)
Subject: Re: US and European crime rates
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 22:30:15 GMT


I would like to point out that when comparing car theft rates,
one ought to take into account the car ownership rate. While 
Poland and Czechoslovakia apear to have the car theft rate 
three times lower than the United States, there also are 
fewer cars in those countries.

Witold Biedrzycki
From: mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Northen Ireland again (was Re: Britain and HK)
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:37:13 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

In article <1993Jan20.145711.22462@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk writes:
>Indeed it does.  However it's worth pointing out that legislation
>concerning Northern Ireland is not debated on the floor of the House
>of Commons, but is instead implemented by an extension of the Royal
>Prerogative known as Orders in Council.  The British political parties
>don't stand for election in the Province (well, the Conservatives do
>now, but the British Conservatives seem to be keeping the NI
>Conservatives at arm's length); however, the Northern Ireland Office
>ministers (the "government" of Northern Ireland) come from the
>party that wins a majority in the UK.  (This is also true for
>Scotland and Wales, but at least there all the UK parties contest
>the seats.)
>
There is no sign that the people of NI would vote for the
British political parties if they did stand. Northern Ireland
used to have its own Labour Party (separate from the GB Labour
Party), and its own Liberal Party (constitutionally as much
part of the UK Liberal Party as the Scottish and Welsh
Liberals). Both dwindled away because no-one voted for them,
preferring to go for the sectarian parties.

The Lib-Dems are closely allied to the NI Alliance Party these
days, almost to the point where it could be regarded as the NI
equivalent of the Lib-Dems, but no-one much votes for them
either. At one time the Unionists were an official part of the
Conservative Party, but broke away of their own accord. As you
point out, some have tried to re-establish the Conservative
Party in NI, but it hasn't obtained much in the way of votes.
Labour is hampered by the fact that most of its members oppose
NI being in the UK, thus they wouldn't stand there out of
principle, but in any case the SDLP at Westminster votes with
Labour nearly all the time.

The current setup in NI may be unfair, but it seems to be the
only one that gets grudging acceptance from everyone. The
Unionists accept it because it does mean they are a part of the
UK, the Nationalists see it as better than being run by a
Unionist-dominated devolved government.

Yes, it would be nice if they'd all act sensible and vote for
the UK parties. Or all act sensible and agree to be part of the
Republic. Or all act senisble and at least agree to something.
But don't let them put the blame on anything but themselves for
the hole they've dug themselves into.

Matthew Huntbach
From: eagv17@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Babilas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Dave
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:25:56 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

pault@ossi.com (Paul Taylor) writes:

> >God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
> >
> Jesus may save, but Kevin Keegan scores on the rebound.
> Couldn't resist.. :-)
 
 Jesus Saves - Moses Invests.

Neither I... :-)

eagv17@castle.ac.uk
From: dlm@sjfc.UUCP (Don Muench)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: london, england
Date: 24 Jan 93 05:33:05 GMT
Reply-To: dlm@sjfc.UUCP (Don Muench)
Distribution: soc
Organization: Saint John Fisher College, Rochester, NY

Yes, Sick Children's Hospital is a bit superfluous, I suppose.  But, I had
to laugh when I saw the following sign at Leeds Castle (Kent):

                              WOMEN
                               and
                         DISABLED TOILETS

Why would anyone be interested in disabled toilets?

Which reminds me of my German cousin's amazement when she saw the sign at 
Niagara Falls pointing to "Power Plant".

Don
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: geoffl@kells.demon.co.uk (Geoff Landergan)
Subject: Re: British Sitcoms, etc. 
Distribution: world
Organization: Kells Consultancy
Reply-To: geoffl@kells.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:37:11 +0000

In article <C19nt8.Isx@unx.sas.com> sasmym@angelou.unx.sas.com writes:

>
>I have become "hooked" on some of the British sitcoms which are shown on
>our local PBS affiliate.  The two we see right now are "Good Neighbors"
>and "Are You Being Served?"  The cast members of these programs are so 
>delightful and I am curious to know if any of them still appear on British
>TV--my favorites are Penelope Keith, Paul Eddington, Felicity Kendall,
>Richard Briers, John Inman, and Molly Sugden.  You would be surprised how

There is a new sitcom just started over here called "Grace and Favour"
which has almost the entire cast of AYBS running a hotel of some kind,
I think that's scheduled for transmission in Jan 2008 over there!

If you get the chance, you must see "Yes [Prime] Minister" which stars
Pail Eddington.

From Red Dwarf: 'In our journey through space we have encountered many
strange things, only last week we passed a moon that was shaped exactly
like Felicity Kendall's bottom.  We went round that one a few times, I
can tell you'.
-- 
      Geoff Landergan                         geoffl@kells.demon.co.uk
      Mitcham, Surrey, UK
      +44 81 646 2605

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ewadams@netcom.com (Ernest Adams)
Subject: Re:  Succession Order
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 09:03:01 GMT


>In article <1jk99dINNe5v@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S.
>Hlabse) writes:
>
>|>It is:
>|>
>|>Queen Elizabeth II
>|>Prince Charles
>|>Prince William
>|>Prince Henry
>|>Prince Andrew
>|>Princess Beatrice
>|>Princess Eugenie
>|>Prince Edward
>|>Princess Anne
>|>Peter Phillips (Anne's son)
>|>Zara Phillips (Anne's daughter)
>|>Princess Margaret
>|>Vincount Linley (Margaret's son)
>|>Lady Sarah Snowdon (Margaret's daughter)
>|>The Duke of Gloucester
>|>Gloucester's children
>|>The Duke of Kent
>|>Kent's children

My god! A game even more pointless and irrelevant than Mornington
Crescent, and with similarly obscure rules! I'll nominate...

Kevin Keegan

[shouts of "blocking!", "defensive!" (or was that "offensive!"?)]

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.politics
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Tony Benn to abolish monarchy
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:24:25 GMT

In article <C194F8.18C@newcastle.ac.uk>, w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk writes:

|>  Tony Benn is to submit a private members bill to parliament
|>called something like "The Commonwealth of Great Britain Bill"
|>
|>    Reports in the press have mentioned it includes such things
|>as
|>   disestablishment of the church of england,
|>   Northern Ireland leaving the UK,
|>   voting age lowering to 16,
|>   replacing the House of Lords by an elected House,
|>   replacing the monarch with a president.
|>
|>   Does anyone know anything about his proposed new house of parliament
|>Is it to be a duplicate of the Commons?
|>Is it also to provide MP's for the government,
|>Is it meant to be elected by the same system (ie one member per local
|>    constituency, elected by first past the post)

Tonny puts this bill in fairly regularly so you coould get an earlier copy.

I'm not sure of the principle of election however I know that he's against PR
and against any form of nominated membership. This would seem to restrict it to
first past the post but I can't say for sure.




--

Phill Hallam-Baker
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From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Robert Burns Dinners
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:24:15 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <CC.93Jan22101950@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk> cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
   
      |> ceart!
      |> 
      |> mn
   

      Been watching "Speaking our Language", have we?

   Naahh, they haven't got on to whisky yet.  So far we can introduce ourselves,
   "come in".  It all seems very *British*, somehow :-)
   --

I suppose this is a desperate attempt to justify the apparently endless
Gaelic programmes on Scottish TV by increasing the number of Gaelic
speaking TV-licence holders from the present level of about 3.
   		


-- 
===Jeremy Henderson===jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk=          
BUGS   The SLEEP command may not work on either parent processes for some
       time afterward, as new BABY processes constantly send interrupts
       which must be handled by one or more parent.
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Charles's DNA tested to prove not illigitimate
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:48:24 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Irrelevant, since our lad's claim to the throne is through his mother anyway.

Nice try though.

Richard Pennell History NUS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: gt@rundart.demon.co.uk (Giles Todd)
Subject: Re: Back from the UK 
Distribution: world
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Reply-To: gt@rundart.demon.co.uk
X-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:55:31 +0000

In article <1993Jan24.001848.17750@nuscc.nus.sg> hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg writes:

>gt@rundart.demon.co.uk (Giles Todd) writes:
>: 
>: No.  "How do you do?", "How do you do?" is an introduction protocol
>: understood by nearly everyone in the UK.  It is otherwise devoid of
>: meaning.
>: 
>Understood, perhaps. But can you honestly say you ever use it? Or even

Yes.

>hear it more than once in a blue moon.

Yes.

Giles.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: lakeman@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (lakeman charles d e)
Subject: Re: london, england
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:17:44 GMT

eac@world.std.com (Eric A Cottrell) writes:

>In <1993Jan19.140157.944@walter.cray.com> cmfb@cray.com (Chris Bone) writes:

>>What always surprises me is how people (media-types and otherwise) refer to
>>British newspapers as The London Times or The London Observer as if they
>>were some London local paper.
>But they are!
>Some U.S. papers like the Washington Post and the New York Times are
>nationally distributed, but they are still have the location were they are
>produced in their name.
>73 eac@world.std.com

Exactly!  They have their location of production in their name.  The London
editions do not therefore they should be referred to by their proper names.

Charles Lakeman      

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: Northern Ireland again (was Re: Britain and HK)
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:41:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.140126.17563@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.114539.7514@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk writes:
>>Presumably Paisley gains votes merely by being better-known
>>than the other Unionist candidates.
>
>Well Screaming Lord Sutch is well known in England, but that
>doesn't mean he'd top the poll. The fact that in votes freely
>cast, someone whom most people would describe as a
>"loud-mouthed religious bigot" tops the polls (while the
>official Unionist is scarcely less bigotted - does he still sit
>with the Neo-Fascists in the Euro-Parliament as he used to?)

Actually I can't remember who he is, but I believe he sits with
the European People's Party (the same grouping as the British
Conservatives).  Doesn't Paisley sit with the Rainbow Group?
(For the uninitiated, that's essentially the group for MEPs
who don't fit into any mainstream group!)

>>I still see no reason why NI legislation shouldn't be debated
>>on the floor of the House just like all other legislation.
>
>Neither do I, and I did not express any disagreement with you
>on this point.

Right, and that was really my point -- it basically doesn't matter who
the people of NI vote for, since their MPs don't even get a chance to
amend NI legislation, much less to propose any.  Thus the only
influence the NI MPs have in the House is when there's a close vote on
some national issue (like the Maastricht motion).  In a way you can
hardly blame the people of Northern Ireland for electing a bunch of
mavericks, since NI MPs are virtually free of responsibility.  I'm sure
that if their choice of representatives had any substantive influence
over the way they were governed they'd be a lot more careful.
--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: s14258bc@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Re: M1, M4, M5, M6 & M25 - How long are they?
Reply-To: s14258bc@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:23:29 GMT

In article <CAH.93Jan19181331@jemima.bham.ac.uk>, cah@jemima.bham.ac.uk (Ceri Hopkins) writes:

>My question..
>
>How many holes in Blackburn, Lancashire, these days?

Last time I looked, 50,447 near the lake (*grin as wide the M1*)

I once had a British atlas, but not any more.  Yes, it's a bizarre question, but
someone's bound to ask it.  I was hoping someone from the Ministry of Transport would answer...
but I guess not.  (*grin*)
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