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From: exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby)
Subject: Cap Companies
Summary: catalog
Keywords: roman, cooperstown
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:57:10 GMT


Well I am searching for addresses or phone numbers for two
great baseball cap companies that specialize in authentic
wool replica hats from those days of yesteryear:

Cooperstown Ballcap Company

and Roman 
(which my label says is in Brockton, MA)

I have hats from these companies via misc stores, but would
like to contact them direct to get a complete catalog.
please, can anyone help?
thanks aTON if so.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: srini@ecf.toronto.edu (KANDALA SRINIVAS)
Subject: Re: Jay mailing list?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:01:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.171442.6840@unixg.ubc.ca> stlouis@unixg.ubc.ca (Phill St. Louis) writes:
>Has anyone set up a Blue Jays mailing list?  I am looking at Kurt Bose's
>FAQ work and have seen this question asked many times and I have not yet
>seen an answer.  If one does not exist, I will have no problem setting one
>up here.  Just send me your request to join.
>
>Phill

If there is none, may be we should set up one. Any volunteers? (I 
don't mind doing it).

srini
-- 
Blue Jays: 1992 World Champions (I say this every year. I hope they
make it this time)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: claudius@leland.stanford.edu (Nelson Lu)
Subject: RC/27 for RFs
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 22:30:43 GMT

NATIONAL LEAGUE
Tony Gwynn, San Diego		6.86
Larry Walker, Montreal		6.55
Bobby Bonilla, New York		6.35
Felix Jose, St. Louis		6.20
Paul O'Neill, Cincinnati	5.94
David Justice, Atlanta		5.85
Pete Incaviglia, Houston	5.51
Willie McGee, San Francisco	5.09
Andre Dawson, Chicago		4.85
Darryl Strawberry, Los Angeles	4.83
Eric Anthony, Houston		4.82
Ruben Amaro, Philadelphia	3.27

AMERICAN LEAGUE
Danny Tartabull, New York	7.58
Tom Brunansky, Boston		6.46
Rob Deer, Milwaukee		6.13
Joe Orsulak, Baltimore		6.02
Darryl Hamilton, Milwaukee	5.99
Dante Bichette, Milwaukee	5.89
Ruben Sierra, Texas		5.87
Joe Carter, Toronto		5.61
Jose Canseco, Oakland		5.48
Mark Whiten, Cleveland		5.05
Pedro Munoz, Minnesota		4.92
Jay Buhner, Seattle		4.71
Phil Plantier, Boston		4.45
Jim Eisenreich, Kansas City	4.42
Von Hayes, California		4.32
Dan Pasqua, Chicago		3.84

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
Committee to Elect Johnny Ray as Angels Second Baseman
Committee to Elect Mike Witt as Angels Ace
Committee to Elect Cookie Rojas as Angels Manager
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: watts@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Mark Watts)
Subject: Score keeping on Lap-top
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:35:05 GMT

I have a Toshiba T-1000 laptop and would like to find some shareware to
keep baseball scores during games.  This should allow someone with very
little knowledge of score keeping maintain the book via the keyboard. If
anyone knows of such a package I would appreciate some info. 
My address is watts@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (205) 544-7554.

Granted the Toshiba computer is very limited on RAM (approx. 640k). This could
pose a problem????

					Thanks,

					   Mark

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: thornley@cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley)
Subject: Re: Metrodome roof/et.al. was Re: Aturf
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:33:45 GMT

In article <64110@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccastmm@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Marler) writes:
>Here in Atlanta, we HATE the "homerdome" after last October.  And by the
>way you can ask Lonnie Smith about not only how hard it is to pick
>up the ball in that ballpark, but how hard it is to pick up the third
>base coach.   :-)
>
It's not the "homerdome", it's the "Metromuffin".  Get your terms
straight.

The third base coach is perfectly visible in the Metromuffin.  On the WS
highlight tape, you can see him all during the play, standing as if poised
to spring into action.  An uncharitable fan might ask exactly what it would
take to get him to spring into action, since apparently confused baserunners
in late innings of crucial World Series games don't suffice.

All winter (summer still hasn't arrived here in the Land of the Twins) I've
been wondering about Lonnie not looking at the coach.  Did he screw up, or
did he decide that he was better off looking for the ball himself rather
than hoping he might get a clue from the coach?

>
>Kirby seems to know exactly how to play there.  Want is the situation
>with another contract for him?

Negotiations have broken off.  He'll presumably file for free agency at the
end of the season.  Dunno what will happen then.

David Thornley
"Cold....cold....frigid....still cold....a little warmer..."
"Mr. Crankshaft, will you please TELL me where the first-aid kit is?"

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak)
Subject: Re: MLB Standings and Scores for Wed, Jul 29th, 1992
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:36:51 GMT

> = (Nelson Lu) writes:
>> = (Rick Lin ) writes:

>>For your information, the Cubs are only 3 1/2 (pending the outcome of the
>>Expos-Cardinals, possibly 4 games out) games out of first place.  Bring out
>>them brooms!!!  SWEEP!!!   I'd say the Cubs chances are very good now.  Best
>>staff ERA in baseball and if their hitting start to come around (20 runs in
>>3 games against the Pirates), they'll be tough to beat.  GO CUBBIES!!

>Dream on.  A team with Andre Dawson as one of its better offensive players
>is doomed to be low-scoring.

I'm not as enthusiastic as Rick on the Cubs' chances, but I consider
Ryne Sandberg, Rich Wilkins and Mark Grace to all be _better_ hitters
than Dawson.  Sammy Sosa's coming along, too.  We'll see if he can keep
it up.


-- 
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| Steve Novak |    |"Nothing to do to save his life..."| 
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steven@advtech.USWest.Com
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Need More Giants Postings
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:49:20 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

Can't judge Mitchell's possible performance in the NL by his AL numbers.
Different pitchers, different umps, different strike zone...no one can
say what he may have done.  We will know next year if he is washed up
given that he has no intention of returning to Seattle.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: MLB Standings and Scores for Wed, Jul 22, 1992
From: guilford@otago.ac.nz
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:42:05 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <3531@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:

> On Baseball Tonight a couple of days ago, John Saunders annoyed me no end by
> saying "At the beginning of the season, *nobody* could have expected the
> Montreal Expos to be doing this well, and *nobody* could have expected the
> New York Mets to be below .500 at this point in the season, not to mention
> the Chicago Cubs failing to get any offense.", or words to that effect.
> 
> I must be nobody.  Ditto for Gary and Dave Thornley and about 5 other regular
> netsters who picked Montreal to contend, NY to struggle, and Chicago to
> flounder.

1. "Montreal to contend, NY to struggle."  But NY's only 2 games behind
Montreal there.  I say only one of these can be right anyway.

2. Citing Gary "Puget Sound Airways" Huckabay for a good prediction is like
citing Paul Galvanek for having something against Richard Speck.

3. As someone who kind of liked -- maybe still does -- the Mets chances,
I think it looks like they've just had more bad breaks than Pit or Mon
or Stl.  Saberhagen might've been healthy.  Hojo might've been Hojo.
The catchers might've been good.  Randolph might've had another 1991.
Schofield isn't exactly a pleasant surprise.  Bonilla isn't exactly a
pleasant surprise.  No one on NY is having a Van Slyke year or a 
Tewksbury year or a relative-of-the-Alous year.  

4. Even Chicago isn't that far back, though I suppose they are floundering
a bit.  

5. In general I think the insights that Montreal had some good young
players and the Cubs would be the Cubs were so obvious as to not be.  The
insight that the Mets would be off is, however, turning out to be one,
I must admit.

Bill Guilford
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Subject: Re: More fuel for the Stats fire
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 16:26:55 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico

In article <1992Jul21.201152.138@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> a_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.155611.21426@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>> In article <54615@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> poutsmaj@mace.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:
>> 
>> Or probably not.  You see, most of us wouldn't try to evaluate Puckett
>> based on one partial season of major league experience (in which he batted
>> .296, btw, not .280 - big difference)
>
>	Nope, there isn't much of a difference between a .280 and .296
>hitter. Assuming 550 AB over 150 games (very reasonable), this means 154 hits
>to get a .280 average, 163 to get a .296 average. 9 lousy hits over the
>course of 150 games, or one dying quail or seeing-eye grounder every 17 games,
>is the difference between a .280 and .296 hitter. Even the terminally
>condesending Sherri should be able to recognize this as an argument against
>using a player's batting average to determine his value, since blind luck can
>account for 9 hits over the course of a season.
>
>Brandon Cope

I think what Sherri is referring to is that if Kirby's established ML level is
.296, it's a lot easier to see him developing into a .320-.330 hitter than a
.280 could.  Batting averages vave a variance of ~+-25 points, so if Kirby came
up as a .296 hitter, his average spread would be .271-.321, while a .280 hitter
would have a spread of .255-.305.  With development, those ranges could change 
by 10 points, in which case the .280 hitter might hit .315, while our .296
hitter could hit .331 by sheer chance.  The fact that Kirby's *career* average
going into '92 was .320 says that the chances of him being a .280 hitter are
the proverbial slim and none.  OVer the course of a season?  Sure, it's not too
significant.  But .280 hitters do NOT hit .320, at least not regularly.  A .296
hitter might be able to do it by lucking out on those quails, though.


-- 
*  Kurt Bose (as in * I am NOT the Antichrist, no matter what my future mother
*  Daisy, not Rose) * in law may think. Nor do I pretend to speak for UNM. Tried
*kbos@carina.unm.edu* it one time, but they caught me at it. I think they were a
*  Junior Stathead  * tad miffed at me, sure, but the Dean's hair DID grow back.
From: ocf.berkeley.edu!hankwong@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Where have all the flakes gone?
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:37:00 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
X-mailer: Stadel 3.4a-227
X-Spam-content: irrelevant

In article <54753@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> poutsmaj@mace.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
 writes:
>In article <22597@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
 writes:
>>In rec.sport.baseball, U39730@uicvm.uic.edu (Norma Kateeb) writes:
>>>Are there any modern day flakes left in baseball?
>>>Okay fans--is there anyone today--be it player, manager, GM, umpire--
>>>ANYONE who adds some life and fun to the game today?
>>
>My mind can't think of the name right now but I recall a very loud NL
>umpire who uses an exxagerated motion when calling balls and strikes
>(pardon the euphemisms).  What is his name?
>
>paul



Wouldn't that be Dutch Rennert(sp?)??







Hank Wong
General Manager, Renegade Legion
Students of the University of California Keeping Stats (SUCKS)
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: mit@b30.ingr.com (Timothy A. Turner)
Subject: Re: Taking Third
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:42:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.225525.2550@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, twromero@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Michael Lin) writes:
|> 
|> What is the value of third base when there are two outs?  Is it ever worth the risk to steal third with two outs?  I know the old saying "never make the first or third out of an inning at third," but is that always the case.  Can someone tell me a situalt|> ion when you go against this rule?
|> 
|> -Brian
|> 
|> 
|>     Well, have you heard of manufacturing a run??
|> 
|> With 2 outs, if you somehow steal 3rd base, you can get a tying or
|> winning run without the benefit of getting a clutch hit. The pitcher
|> can uncork a wild one, the catcher could let one pass by him, or even
|> on the attempt to throw out the runner taking third from 2nd, he could
|> throw it into the left field and hence allowing a run to be scored.
|> 
|> Need I say more?
|> 
|> Michael

Also the abilities of the concentration and delivery of the pitcher, the
ability of the catcher, the element of surprise by the base runner and the
capability of the batter to place the ball for the potential hit-and-run.
Perhaps the person at the plate is the top of the order and if he starts
off the next inning, that would be acceptable risk.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Yankees..Whats UP?
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:42:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.011236.25327@news.columbia.edu> mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Chen) writes:
>
>Last season, Bernie (IMHO) did not do as well as
>he could.  Bernie has the tools, but he is still learning.  He still
>needs to learn how to run the bases.  In terms of hitting, I would
>think Bernie would be a more feared hitter than a Lofton, who is often
>considered a slap hitter.  

I agree.  Though I will also note that Lofton wasn't a particularly
good basestealer when *he* was 22 either.  A 26-5 record in low-A
ball, followed by an 14-6 record in high-A ball.  I've seen the
catchers at that level.  Most of them can't throw very well.

>I thought the same of Snow, but at a closer look, Snow has 9 homers in
>slightlyh less than 300 AB.  Granted, he is not Mark McGwire, but...
>remember, Columbus is not an easy park to homer in, and remember,
>Mattingly before his big years, did not show much power either.
>Kevin Maas did not show much power in his Columbus days either. 

It may not be an easy park to homer in, but it is AAA.  I figure about
a 30% drop between Columbus and Yankee Stadium, except for left-handed
dead-pull hitters.  He has 9 HR in 327 AB, or 1 in 36.  Translates,
perhaps, to about 12 HR in a 600 AB major league season.

I'll address Maas first.  He slugged .474 and .582 his two years at
Columbus.  Hit 45 extra bases in 291 AB the first year, and 58 extra
bases in 194 AB the second.  Snow has 51 extra bases in 327 AB so far
this year, or essentially the same XB/AB ratio that Maas ran his first
year in Columbus.  Maas was 25 at the time, Snow is 24 this year.

Maas, of course, went on to hit for *much* more power the following
year.  Snow might do the same.  Or he might follow a more normal,
level curve of improvement.

As for Mattingly?  Shame on you!  By the Don's 24th birthday, he
*already* had 27 major league HR.  By the time he was 25, he had an
additional 35.  Snow isn't even *close* to that kind of production.
Sure, Mattingly didn't produce much in the minors.  But he was only 20
at the time!  Making it a ridiculous comparison.

>I do not know if he would be considered a non-prospect.  He is
>considered to have more power than his younger brother.  I would not
>think Gerald has a shot with the Yankees though.

Lots of players (major and minor) have more power than Bernie
Williams.  This doesn't make them major league quality.  Bernie isn't
a major league player because of his power.  He is a major league
because he is capable of hitting for a reasonable BA, and he walks a
*ton*.  The power, defense, and speed are bonuses.

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Vaughn, Irvine, Valentin...  Where is Wedge?	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Rocket Roger, Enfant Terrible
Organization: Clark University
Date: 28 JUL 92 15:18:27 GMT

Glenn writes:

> From listening to all the fall-out, including Sunday's postgame
> "Sportsbeat" program which regularly features some of the biggest
> yahoos in the Boston sports media,

You actually WATCH that show??!?! You must have a cast-iron stomach.
What a bunch of revolting dweebs.

> Without consulting Clemens,
> Kimball created a piece of fiction and humiliated Clemens in front of
> a half a million people. I'd seek retribution, too, someway, somehow...

Ah.  A Matter of Honor.  I'm really impressed with the Manly Man way
the Rocket defended his honor -- screaming obscenities and throwing
hamburger buns.  He should have challenged Kimball to a duel at
sunrise -- quiches at forty paces.  Or maybe, for that time of
day, muffins are more appropriate...:-)

Of course the Boston media are monstrous, in varying degrees.  They
have been for years (but at least in Ted Williams' time, they knew
how to write).  I'm certainly not defending them, least of all the
Herald.

It's just that Roger's behavior problems dismay me.  They indicate
the immaturity that is his tragic flaw. In many cases, his outbursts
are just plain stupid.  They are unbecoming of a future Hall of Famer
(no big deal to some people) but when they jeopardize the fortunes
of the Red Sox, they are unforgivable.  Try to imagine Tom Seaver
or Jim Palmer or Roger's hero, Nolan Ryan, punching a door with his
pitching hand before the playoffs.  (Roger's comment: "I've punched
harder things before.")  Or getting thrown out of the biggest game
of the year because he freaks out at an umpire.

Roger shouldn't be worrying about the press or anything else
but straightening out his head.  He is his own worst enemy.

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu

In the words of Elvis Costello: "I used to be disgusted, but now
I try to be amused."
From: erude@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Erick Rudiak)
Subject: Re: Carry-isms (was Re: Shoot Harry)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:27:53 GMT

	Two Harry classics on Saturday:  Harry had Buck Henry pitching for the
Houston Astros.

	I think he's getting better.  Now if only the Cubs would actually hit
home runs every time Harry pleas "Oh for a long one" we might be in contention.

-- Erick
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: twromero@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Michael Lin)
Subject: Re: The Expos...Surprise of the second half...
Originator: twromero@fangorn.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 22:26:09 GMT


In article <19387@plains.NoDak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
|> What does people have to say about the Expos....only
|> 2 behind the NL-east leading pirates...
|> 

|> S.H
|> Forever a Twins' fan...
|> 


  Expos are now in 1st place tie with the Bucs!
From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: The All-<name> Teams
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:42:29 GMT
Organization: Factors of Ys, Inc.

Creating all-time all-star teams is an inalienable right of baseball fans
everywhere.  In recent years here on the Net, we've seen all-alphabet teams
(one player per letter, max), all-Smith teams, all-Davis teams, all-double-
letter teams (Mickey Mantle, Doug Drabek, Barry Bonds, etc.), and so on.
Oddly enough, nobody seems to have looked at teams with common *given* names.

Once more into the breach, dear friends...

Given names are a little bit tricky.  Do we go by what the parents named
the kid (e.g. "Philip"), what his friends called him ("Phil"), or what he
was generally known by as a player ("Scooter")?  And what about alternate
spellings?

I'm going to propose three categories:

	1. Same given name.  (As named by parents.)
	2. Same everyday nickname.
	3. Same general name-class.

Thus, for category one, Joe Jackson and Arky Vaughan are both "Joseph" by
birth, so they can be on the all-Joseph team.  However, Arky can't play for
the all-Joe team in category two, but Joe Morgan (his full name) can.  The
all-Eddie team (category two) can use Eddie Murray (Eddie), Eddie Mathews
(Edwin), and Eddie Cicotte (Edward), but not Edgar Martinez or Duke Snider.

As I see it, the all-Joe teams look pretty tough, with Joe Morgan, Joe Cronin,
Arky Vaughan, Joe DiMaggio, Joe Torre, Jose Canseco, Joe McGinnity, Joe Wood,
Joe Sewell, Joe Kelley, and so on.  The Georges are pretty tough, too, with
Babe Ruth, George Sisler, George Brett, George Burns, Jorge Bell, and the 
like.  The all-Robert teams are tough, too: Bob Gibson, Lefty Grove, Bob 
Feller, Roberto Clemente, Roberto Alomar, Bob Boone, Bobby Wallace, Bobby
Bonilla, Bob Watson, etc.  The all-John team is surprisingly weak, once you
get past Honus Wagner and Johnny Bench, unless I'm missing some obvious folk.
Juan Marichal, I guess.  Then there's Willie Mays, Willie McCovey, Wee Willie
Keeler, Will Clark, Billy Williams, Bill Dahlen, Billy Pierce (right Neal?),
Wild Bill Donovan, Guillermo Hernandez, and friends.  Or Jim Palmer, Jimmy
Collins, Jim Gentile, Jim Bunning, Jimmy Foxx, and (with a stretch) Jack
Clark and Jackie Robinson.

Great Players on Bad Teams:  Stan Musial, Mike Schmidt, Ernie Banks, Cal
				Ripken, Lefty Gomez

Lonely Guys:	Ty Cobb, Kiki Cuyler, Ryne Sandberg, Tris Speaker, Nap Lajoie,
		Bake McBride, Van Lingle Mungo.



-- 
        David Tate         |   When I was a rookie arm and bit 
  dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu  |   And the greenest hurler to take the mound
  Prof. of Story Problems  |   (Sighed the old southpaw, dying of innings)...
  Member ORSA, TIMS, SABR  | 	"Lament", Dylan 'Big Frank' Thomas