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From: Jonny Axelsson <jonnya@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Re: Project on national conflict
        12:24:59 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
        <25530@sophia.inria.fr>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:01:37 GMT
Originator: jonnya@rist.ifi.uio.no

Konrad Weigl writes:

> RE: Vaclav Havel.
> 
> Someone mentioned him a few postings back (Poet for president).
> 
> I can see him personally as a future President of Europe.
> Simply because he is NOT a classical politician... 
 
It might amuse you that in one of the very first issues (no. 0001,
0002 or 0003 I think) of the newspaper /the European/ was a poll for
whom the polled wanted as a hypothetical future president of Europe. I
have forgotten petty details like the exact wording, how many people
they asked, how and where etc.

The poll was to be a long range pre-election poll (well, in a way),
and of course make the readers feel more European, and reinforce their
view of /the European/ as the natural local paper for those Europeans.

Anyway: The winner was...
(sound of an envelope torn open)...

...Mikhail Gorbachov
(with Mitterand as a runner-up)

Jonny
From: tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: Czech Fruit Dumblings (was: Maybe this will be a FAQ)
Date: 25 Jul 92 03:24:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Jul22.160735.9355@cas.org> jac54@cas.org writes:
>
>	For those of us without any direct connections to this region,
>	could somebody supply the names of books or other sources of
>	background information on Czecho-Slovakia and the surrounding
>	areas?  Sources on history, culture, folk culture, current
>	economic and political conditions would be welcome.
>
>	Alec Chambers
>
>	P.S. a useful cookery book would be welcome.
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yes, definitely. 


...and I wonder if someone could help me by providing the recipe for
Czech fruit dumplings. In particular here in the United States,
which flour is the most appropriate to use. When living in
Australia, I used "Continental Flour" but when I asked for this in
some stores here in San Diego, I was met with blank stares.

Pomoc!


Tom Marvan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
From: ignatz@chinet.chi.il.us (Dave Ihnat)
Subject: Family trace help
Summary: How to track my family
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:30:58 GMT
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX

It's almost embarassing to be asking this kind of thing, but this *does*
seem to be the forum...

My name is Dave Ihnat.  Grandpa arrived from what would become Czechoslovakia
sometime around the turn of the century; he is now deceased these last 12 or
so years.  Most of my family history is anecdotal, and hasn't stood up well to
critical questioning.  The salient points are that I vividly remember my
Grandpa telling me to remember that "your are Czech--not Slovak!" (My rejoinder
that it doesn't matter to me brought a flood of Czech.  I'm still glad that
these regional things fade in the US after a generation...)  Family tales claim
that great-grandpa was a professor at the University in Prague, and went there
from a "small village".  Finally, at the end of WWII, my uncle claims to have
tried to find out about the family, but couldn't uncover anything.  The fact
that this was the end of a world war, coupled with the fact that my uncle--
while a solid, hard-working man--is not particularly of a scholarly bent and
has the tact of a Sherman tank, leads me to believe that there wasn't much he
could do then.

Now, I want to know things.  Like, does my name <mean> anything?  (A friend
with a Czech-speaking father claims his data said it's from an archaic word
meaning "indispensible".  After I crowed about this at work, he commented
that "well, he said it could also be used to refer to something you can't get
rid of."  Thanks, Mark.) How common is it? (The spelling was mangled--
surprise--at immigration.  Allegedly originally something like "Ignac'z", I've
been told.  Ideas?)  How would I go about trying to find relatives?

I've never paid much attention to the geneaology thing, because my tree died
so close to my branch, and it seemed hopeless to try and find anything out
back in Czechoslovakia.  (You should have *heard* the staff laugh at the Czech
consulate in Lisboa, Portugal in 1977 when I asked--as an active-duty military
officer candiate--to go into their country.)

Silly rambling, I know, but I'd like to think that somebody more familiar than
I with these things has some good ideas out there.

Thanks for your patience!

		Dave Ihnat
		ignatz@homebru.chi.il.us (preferred return address)
		ignatz@chinet.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
From: stepan@natinst.com (Stepan Riha)
Subject: Re: Czech and Slovak names?
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:40:30 GMT

In article <36118@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> tmarvan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Thomas Marvan) writes:
>In article <4835@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> esr@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Edwin S. Russell) writes:
>>to as C^echy (Czech lands).  The middle province is Morava, Moravia in  
>>English.  However, the Czech language is spoken in both provinces.  
>                 
>
>Yes, but do not Moravians have some special words or sayings
>distinct to that part of the country? That is, whilst they speak
>Czech, they do have other words for certain items, just like
>speakers of Australian English, for example, use a different
>venacular (and I'm not talking of accent here) than speakers of
>American English.
>
>
>Am I making sense? Anyone know of any specicfic and unique Moravian
>usages? When I was last in Prague, as a kid ten years ago, I vaguely
>recall my grandmother, who is from Moravia, pronouncing the word "sauce" 
>just like the English, but apparently, the "Bohemian" way of saying
>it is different.
>

My grandfather was from Morava and he pronounced some words differently.
For example he would say dve'r^i instead of dver^e (door).  And I have heard
some expressions from moravian friends that czechs wouldn't normaly use.

The "sauce" example frome above is not a very good one.  A lot of czech
"slang" is derived from german, and sauce is one of those words (like flas^ka,
klika, s^lofik, etc.)   Then again, maybe in Morava your first grade teacher
wouldn't frown at your using so'sa instead of oma'c^ka for "sauce" :-)

Stepan



-- 
   Stepan Riha -- stepan@natinst.com
From: slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: Re: Request info on Stasny name.
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:54:39 GMT
Reply-To: slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662)

In article <1992Jul22.114239.15508@newssrv.edvz.univie.ac.at>, tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar) writes:
|> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
|> : In article <45419@shamash.cdc.com> slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662) writes:
|> : >I would like to know more about the name Stasny (meaning "happy").  A
|> : >Bunch of diacriticals belong over letters, it pronounces close to
|> : >"Chesney" with a soft 's'.
|> : 
|> : Are you sure it isn't S^tastny ??
|> 
|>   The only proper original form of this name (really meaning "happy") is
|> 
|>   v      '
|>   St'astny
|> 
|> 					Tom the Bohemian :)

Agreed.  The spelling got mangle over here and came down as Stasney or Chesney.
-- 
Steve Chesney                                    slc@a2.cim.cdc.com     
Control Data Corporation                         612-482-4662 (voice)
4290 Fernwood Avenue                             612-482-4001 (fax)
Arden Hills, MN  55112
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
From: agl4@elroy.uh.edu (Ebrom, Daniel A.)
Subject: Re: women's last name endings
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:36:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.171447.12345@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, tmm@po.CWRU.Edu (Todd M. Michney) writes...
>  
>Our last name is Michney, originally Michny ...
>would the feminine version be Michnikova?
>

No, feminine version from Michny is Michna.

- Jiri

Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
From: stepan@natinst.com (Stepan Riha)
Subject: Re: Request info on Stasny name.
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:20:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.135625.18553@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>In article <45419@shamash.cdc.com> slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662) writes:
>>I would like to know more about the name Stasny (meaning "happy").  A 
>>Bunch of diacriticals belong over letters, it pronounces close to
>>"Chesney" with a soft 's'.
>
>Are you sure it isn't S^tastny ??
>
>-Nance

Or rather S^t^astny' with a soft 's' and a soft 't'.
I guess in Nancy's case it would be S^t^astna'.

BTW, what are the conventions for diactricals on ASCII terminals?
I find using ^ for hacek and ' for carka rather cumbersome.  And what about
the circle above long "u", or hacek on a "d" or "t"?
I always thought that the great advantage of using ASCII for writing letters
in czech is the fact that the missing diactricals can be blamed on the
character set rather than on my sorry spelling ;-)
Now if there only was one symbol for both "i" and "y"...

Stepan


-- 
   Stepan Riha -- stepan@natinst.com

Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Maybe this will be a FAQ
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:07:35 GMT

	For those of us without any direct connections to this region,
	could somebody supply the names of books or other sources of
	background information on Czecho-Slovakia and the surrounding
	areas?  Sources on history, culture, folk culture, current
	economic and political conditions would be welcome.

	Alec Chambers

	P.S. a useful cookery book would be welcome.

If these are my organization's opinions, I'd be extremely surprised.
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From: marx@flash.gac.edu (Timothy Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: New Czech/Slovak constitutions
Keywords: constitution
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:38:17 GMT

My name is Timothy Johnson.  I am from Gustavus Adolphus College in St.  
Peter MN.  Currently I am in the process of applying for a Fulbright to  
study in the former Czechoslovakia.  My project was going to focus on the  
rise of a new constitution for the CSFR, but will now focus on the way in  
which Slovakia and the Czech Republic will simultaneously create new  
democracies (supposedly) and new constitutions.  I would like to know if  
anyone can tell me anything about the process for both of the republics.   
I have aleady done extensive research, but I would like the input of  
Czech/Slovak scholars.  If anyone can be of any help I would appreciate it  
greatly.  This is my first time posting on this group, and I want to jump  
right in and see what I can find out.  

I am also looking for a sponsor at Charles University who would be willing  
to work with me on my project if I receive the grant.  Thus far I have had  
little luck making contact.  If anyone knows how I can get a contact, I  
would also be very happy.  Thanks to all.

TIMOTHY R JOHNSON
From: eva@puhep1.princeton.edu (Eva Zeisky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: Affidevit of Support; Insurance; Student Visa  - Questions
Keywords: affidevit, insurance, visitors, student visa,
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:24:15 GMT
Organization: Physics Dept., Princeton University

I  would very much appreciate it if someone could enlighten me
regarding the following:   

My mother,  brother (18)  and sister (25)  will be coming 
to the USA in  September. Mother is staying only for a few 
weeks but the other two would  like to stay  for a year, at 
least, in order to perfect their English, and possibly to stay.  
(They both want to live in the West but are not sure just exactly
where so they're trying USA first.) They've been here before but
only for a month, not enough to get a real sense of our life style.  
My sister has a  law degree from Charles U, my brother just 
graduated  from high school and was accepted to a University 
somewhere in Bratislava, I think, to study biology.

Is there any way that they could come to the USA as students - without 
me having to  send them an affidevit of support and a letter of
invitation saying that I will be financially responsible for them? 
What do they  have to do in order to obtain student visa? Do they
have to have an official letter of acceptance from a school here?

Has anything changed regarding requirements for visa to the USA? 
Do we still have to risk losing our homes, savings and everything we own
 in order for a relative to visit? If the requirement for an 
affidevit still exists and  if I own a small firm - would it be acceptable if my
firm  provided such a document and not me as a private individual? 

How about health insurance? Can THEY  get any health coverage from
CSFR which would cover their medical expenses here should they 
become hospitalized, etc.? I understand that Hungary provides
such a coverage.  

Any help regarding the above would be very much appreciated.  

Thank you very much.

Eva
-- 

========================       
Eva S. Zeisky                    
Dept. of Physics
Princeton University
Princeton, N.J. 08544
                          
esz@pupgg.princeton.edu    
========================     
Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
From: stefanis@ecst.csuchico.edu (Lab Boy)
Subject: Kalaky
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:29:11 GMT

My grandmother uses potatos and cheese instead of fruit, and serves
them in a cream sauce. But then again she is Hungarian; everything
has a cream sauce on it.
______   
|\   |\      Nick Stefanisko (stefanis@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu) 
| |--+-| 
|-+---\|     "Oodal-lada oodal-lada" 
 \|____|                            --Thomas Dolby

Newsgroups: soc.culture.czecho-slovak
From: roma@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Roma)
Subject: Re: maps of czecho-slovak
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 06:37:18 GMT

quay@engin.umich.edu (Bryan S. Leudy) writes:
>Does anybody have a decent map of c-s?
>My boss has a beauty of just Slovakia but it's 30 yrs old.
>I'm interested in anything on paper, MacDraw/Paint or
>from a Map Store.

I have several maps of Czechoslovakia.  I obtained most of them in Praha
last month, which probably won't do you much good.

They are:

	Auto Atlas C^SSR, 1:400,000 (this is a book format map; no ISBN)
	Auto mapa C^SFR, 1:500,000 (ISBN 80-7011-086-4)
	C^eskoslovensko, 1:2,500,000; Praha, 1:15,000 (ISBN 80-7011-066-X)
	objezdove' trasy Prahy, 1:200,000 (ISBN 80-7011-065-1)
		(this shows the region surrounding Praha)

All of the above are published by GKP (Geodeticky' a kartograficky'
podnik Praha).  This company publishes a series of detailed regional maps
of Czechoslovakia.  Unfortunately, GKP doesn't put their address on
their maps.  For whatever it's worth, I saw these maps in map stores in
western Europe; I have no idea if anyone here in the U. S. has them.  If
you know a very good map dealer, he/she may be able to locate these maps
by the ISBNs posted above.  Good luck!
-- 
Jon Roma
Computing and Communications Services Office,
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Internet:  roma@uiuc.edu      	UUCP:      uunet!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!roma
From: jawahar@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jawahar-HP India)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 06:53:35 GMT
Subject: Lalbagh Express-il Payanam
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil

Hi Friends,
I had the chance to goto Madras in the new 'Lalbagh Express'.
It was a good experience. The timings are as follows:

Tn. 2608 SBC - MAS Lalbagh express leaves Blore at 6:30 AM from 
Bangalore City. ( Blore CANTT Dep. at 6:40 AM)
Arrives in Madras at 11:45 AM. 

It was on the dot when I travelled.

ON the return as 2607 MAS - SBC Lalbagh Exp.,  it started at 4:15 PM from 
Central and arrived at Cantt at 9:30 PM and in City at 9:45 PM.

The Bangaloreans will know one problem of returning so late in Bangalore..
I ended up paying half the Bangalore - Madras charge as the auto fare to my
home !!
Otherwise, it was a enjoyable ride. The train is similar to Brindavan. But 
instead of a continuous back seat, they have provided a support seat for the
shoulders. It has fewer compartments and stops only at Katpadi (other than
Blore Cantt.)
All the delicious food items of Brindavan Pantry service is available here also.


They sell everything now... Idli/Dosas, Cutlets, Corn puffs, Aavin ice creams
plus Milk Khovas, frooti + pepsi like cold drinks, McRennet Cakes,
Gulab Jamoon and Basundi and Tomato soups (!)... In Lalbagh express, they also 
serve in addition, dinner packets of Veg and Chiken Biriyanis. 
It was a good experience .
jawahar\@india.hp.com

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From: vaidhyan@ecn.purdue.edu (Ramesh Vaidhyanathan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: More TE (TH) News
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:46:23 GMT
Reply-To: vaidhyan@cn.ecn.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

When the TE news postings of Mr. M.Vishu came earlier (which
is not news in the real sense but some propaganda stuff for
the LTTE), I was expecting that someone will post news items 
like this.(BTW what does (TH) mean?). 

Let us not convert SCT into the site for pro, anti LTTE flame 
wars. I request SCT posters to refrain from propaganda for
a particular faction.

Thank you.

-Ramesh Vaidhyanathan.
From: partha@mse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Tamil Ealam News on this Net
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:43:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.40733
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering

Isn't this group meant for discussions on Tamil culture, literature
etc..? I think we should try to stick to it. We really don't need
a day to day news about Tamilians on this net, especially when it
can provoke controversy. Sure, Mr. Meenan Vishnu has all the right
in the world to post what he wants, but if this is going to bring
forth a net war, then by all means he should consider not being stubborn
on posting TE news. There is a soc.culture.indian and a soc.culture.
sri-lanka for such purposes. Let us confine ourselves to useful
as well as interesting discussions on this net shall we? If a flame
war starts on this net, then I wonder why this group was formed
at all. Those who post articles, especially controversial ones, please
consider others who also read this net. If there are objections, then
please adopt a gentleman's approach. Do not be adamant on your views.
One can always debate about what he or she felt about the contents
of postings like TE news. The fact that it aroused a series of
objections has to be considered. Let us avoid conflicts for a change.

This is only a request.

Partha sarathy
From: palaniap@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Murugan Palaniappan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re-"pallu pattu"
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:00:31 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ


In his posting Mr. Ravi Shankar writes:
>It basically makes fun of the song "aimbathilum aasai varum" from
>"thirisoolam". It is sung to the same tune.

>-- Ravi

This is not from the movie "thirisoolam", but from the movie       
"Justice Gopinath" sung by TMS for Shivaji.

anbudan,

murugan.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:340 alt.culture.tamil:1057
From: ganapath@plains.NoDak.edu (Prabhukumar Ganapathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
Subject: " A PATIAL CORRECTION"
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:41:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19380
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo

Ravi V. Shankar  Writes in <1992Jul26.140858.13133@newstand.syr.edu>

>pal, pallu = tooth

>I just remembered this song. Here's it is :-)

>aimbathilum pallu vizhum
>ainthilum pallu vizhum
>aanaal aimbathil pallu vizhunthaal
>athu thirumba oru murai mulaikkaathamma

>It basically makes fun of the song "aimbathilum aasai varum" from
>"thirisoolam". It is sung to the same tune.
   **********


  Sorry!  You got it wrong. This song is not from THIRISOOLAM. It
  is from some other movie (of course SIVAJI and K.R.VIJAYA starrer)
  which was released after "thirisoolam".

  I could not recollect the movie name. May be someone who remembers
  it could post

-PK


	(Rest of the article deleted)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: parva@csli.stanford.edu (Kanthasamy Parvathy)
Subject: Sri Lankans in Detroit
Organization: CSLI, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:27:01 GMT


URGENT!!

I am trying to help a young Sri Lankan guy in Detroit and was
wondering whether there were any Sri Lankans there who could
help me find out more about the situation there.

Please send to: parva@csli.stanford.edu

Thank you.

Dr. (Mrs.) Parvathy Kanthasamy

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: veerasam@utdallas.edu (Jeyakesavan Veerasamy)
Subject: Kadi Joke
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:49:33 GMT


Last year when I was in India, I used to travel a lot (in weekends). To avoid 
boredom, I used to chat with passengers who are sitting near me. Sometimes 
it was really interesting, like the following one:


I: ....
X(age:30+): ....

I: Enna velaiya poyikittu erukkinga, sir?
X: En paiyanai parkka.

I: Paiyan enna padichikkittu erukkan?
X: Eppa than piranthurukkan. Avanai parkka Hospital poekkittu erukken.

I: ....?


With regards,
V.Jeyakesavan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: shivakl@ctrvx2.vanderbilt.edu (LAKSHMANAN SHIVAKUMAR)
Subject: TE News - Ignore the news!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:44:00 GMT

Hi,
In spite of the innumerous requests to stop the TE news 
Mr.Vishnu is bent on posting the news.

The best thing for all of us to do now would be to ignore
all his postings on that subject and just skip any mails on 
the TE news.  The more flames we create, the more encouragement 
it would give Mr.Vishnu to post more of the TE news.


Regards,
Shiva
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil