HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Admonition to Mr.Serdar Argic
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 18:19:19 +0100
Organization: "The Private Site of Manfredo Tichauer"

Today I got really annoyed with Mr.Argic.  Not enough that he spills his
junk to t.p.m. (and many other newsgroups that I don't read), now he has
the chuzpa to post it also to s.c.j.  Therefore I sent him the following
mail:

>    Mr.Argic or Mutlu,
>                          please stop sending all your posters to s.c.j.
>  If you continue doeing it, I'll bounce you them to you and I will take
>  care that many or most of the s.c.j. readers do the same. This will be 
>  my first and last admonition.

I don't care if it is against the netiquette, since he also doesn't care
about it.  Maybe there are other  s.c.j.  readers that think like me and
will take measures in case Argic doesn't stop sending his junk here.

I think also that the bosnian/croatian/serbian propaganda shouldn't be
posted here. Am I right?


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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Nazi propaganda on this net
Date: 20 Nov 92 08:43:40 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In <4490@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:

>Warren is using this Jewish net in order to distribute a Nazi
>propaganda! We should oppose such a propaganda no metter who is the
>distributer.

I'm afraid that I don't have time to get angry since I have to get
ready for Shabbat, but if you keep trying I'm sure you'll be able to
get a flame out of me next week.

P.S. Does the Prime Minister under whose rule a tzav pinui for Sinai
was issued also get called this very nice name?
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/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
 |__/__/_/    
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/ nysernet.org 			    Gideon Ehrlich
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: esafern@shearson.com (Eric Safern)
Subject: Re: Getting pregnant first time (Was Re: Oral sex)
Summary: Gemora, Rashi, basic medical knowledge
Reply-To: esafern@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:31:19 GMT

In article 283@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca, jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:

>  Not to mention that according to (Yivamot? it was daf yomi in August)
>   there is no possibility of pregnancy from a woman's first relations
>   which would mean that one could never get started.
>   (I wonder why the Amoraim excluded Lot's daughters. Anybody know?)

There is a Rashi by this Maaseh which states that Lot's daughters
removed the hymen by hand beforehand, since "one can't get pregnant the
first time."  (This is from memory.)

I was not aware this statement originates in the Talmud.

It is, unfortunately, totally false.  It is completely medically possible
for this to occur.  It is not all that likely, however...

If you don't believe me, cross-post to sci.med.

Anyway,  statements such as this cast doubt on Rashi being 100% divinely
inspired, since he used a medical non-fact to complicate an issue which
needed no complication.

What this says about the Talmud requires further investigation.  Did they
(unlike Rashi) qualify this at all???




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From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conservative vs. Orthodox Halacha (was Conversion Question)
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:11:15 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)

In article <1992Nov17.201717.1816@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ask@cbnews (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
>>Not a good example. By O lights, a bar mitzvah *always* has the
>>obligation of tzitzit; if he wears a four-cornered garment of the
>>appropriate size in the daytime, it *must* have tzitzit. When a

>However, my point is:   Why is he wearing a 4 cornered garment in
>the first place?   He is not obligated to wear a 4 cornered garment.

>Answer: He is wearing a 4 cornered garment because he undertakes the
>obligation of fulfilling the mitzvah of tzitzit.

The O point is, a woman is permitted, even during the daytime, to wear
four cornered garments without tzitzit.  If a man tries to do that, he
has an already existing obligation to make sure there are tzitzit.  The
woman does not.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:13:27 EST
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: goy
 <1992Nov23.071119.3812@cbnews.cb.att.com>
 <92328.1349192893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
 <1992Nov23.193922.24323@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
 <RLK.92Nov23180034@underprize.think.com>

In article <RLK.92Nov23180034@underprize.think.com>, rlk@underprize.think.com
(Robert Krawitz) says:
>
>In article <1992Nov23.193922.24323@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
>(samuel.saal) writes:
>
>   In article <92328.1349192893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> andy
>   <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>
>   >I am well aware that the word "Jew" can be used in a derogatory way.
>Unlike
>   >kike or hymie the word "Jew" is not intrinsically derogatory. The word    "
>"goy
>   >however is. After your presumptious rant, I don't expect you'll
>acknowledge
>   >the difference but it is there nevertheless.
>
>
>   I find PAndy's assertive proof methodology amusing, to say the least.
>          ^
>Come off this silliness already.

Can you try to engage in a discussion without personally insulting people?

>   The word "Goy" comes from the Hebrew word "goy" (duh) which means
>   "nation" (or "people").  There is nothing intrinsically negative about
>   this.  In fact, when modified (something that can also be done), it can
>   mean a variety of things (Goy Kadosh - a holy people - springs to mind;
>   hardly negative).
>
>Well, this cuts both ways (as regards the term "anti-semitism",
>specifically).  The canonical definition of "anti-semitism" is prejudice
>against Jews, just as the canonical definition of "goy" IN ENGLISH is
>non-Jew, usually with a negative connotation.  As the Random House
>dictionary states:
>
>goy (goy; goi) n., pl. goy im(goi im), goys. Often Disparaging.
>        C4: Often Disparaging.

why use an "often disparaging word when you can just use "gentile"

>1 n.
>        a non - Jewish person; gentile.
>        goi.
>Etymology:
>        <x4> Yiddish <x4> Heb goi people, non - Jews
>Derived:
>        goyish (adj.)
>--
>ames >>>>>>>>>  |       Robert Krawitz <rlk@think.com>  245 First St.
>bloom-beacon >  |think!rlk                              Cambridge, MA  02142
>harvard >>>>>>  .       Thinking Machines Corp.         (617)234-2116
>
>Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- write lpf@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: "Mein Kampf"
From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 17:53:15 +0100
Organization: "The Private Site of Manfredo Tichauer"

In Germany it is forbidden by law to sell Hitler's "Mein Kampf". I am 
very interested to read and  have this book in my private library for
academical reasons. I heard  that in USA and Canada it is possible to
get this book in the original  language (German). Could somebody tell
me where and how could I get it? 

PLEASE REPLY ONLY BY EMAIL!  I don't want that other persons in the net
might try to get and misuse this book for propaganda and racist reasons.

Thanks

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From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: sex and Dawud Melekhanu(Yemenite pronunciation)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:44:42 GMT

In article <4457@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>In article <1992Nov21.224924.598@cbnews.cb.att.com> ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
>>In article <4446@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>>>Maybe you should check his credentials.  A Rabbi named Michael??
>
>>I don't get it?  Are you saying Jews cannot be named after angels?
>>Why?
> 
>I was half-joking.  Actually, I though Michael/Michel was a Christian
>name.  I am not trying to say anything here except for my surprise
>at hearing of a rabbi named Michael.  Are you referring to the
>arch angel Michael?

Yes.

>                      I still don't think that would qualify since
>it is within the context of Catholicism and not Judaism (though I
>could be wrong).

I am not an authority on Catholicism, so I cannot comment on such
context.  Nor would I comment on what is or is not a Christian name.
I know of many Chirstians whose names (in English) correspond to
many names which appear in the Hebrew Bible. 

We have been taught to be a light unto the nations, and if one
result of that is others adopt the teachings found in the Hebrew
Bible or even name their children after people in the Hebrew Bible,
so be it.

Within Judaism, and within the Hebrew Bible, the great angel
Michael is described several places in the book of Daniel.
=====
Your post reminds me that I have not posted an annual Jewish Quiz
which I probably should do.  It helps Jewish readers of this
newsgroup see how much basic Jewish and non-Jewish knowledge we
have.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:45:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov09.102841.23268@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.000257.22650@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:

>>Kahane preached love for his fellow Jews.  He also realized - and said
>>out loud - that the Arabs within Israel would quickly become a
>>majority and overtake the Jews in their own country.  Everyone now
>>realizes that he was perfectly correct in this assessment.

>Well, he realized that the Arab/Israeli ratio will quickly return
>to the ratio prior to 1948, which is not acceptable. A racist point
>of view isn't?
>
>Nabil

You are not demonstrating a racist point of view.
You are demonstrating a revisionist point of view.  Tsk, tsk.

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Belief does not define Religion
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:35:06 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: jimkalb@dorsai.com (Jim Kalb)

In article <1992Nov23.143959.22560@dorsai.com>, jimkalb@dorsai (Jim Kalb) writes:
>If there were someone whose parents were Jewish and who did everything Jewish
>law commands, would he still be a Jew if he also did everything he had to do
>to be a Muslim?

The above is a self-contradiction.  Jewish law forbids adding to the
commandments, among other things.

>		  (Believed that Mohammed is a prophet, prayed five times a day
>facing Mecca, went on the Haj and so on . . . )  Or is there some reason you
>could be an atheist and be a Jew but not believe in Islam and be a Jew?

Adopting another religion is much more problematic than merely being an
atheist.  (For example, Ramban's 613 does not include belief in God.)  I
don't know much on this point.  Islam is possibly the most compatible of
non-Jewish religions, which makes it even trickier.  Certainly, if he did
teshuva, he would not have to convert back.  Similarly for a woman or her
children.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jimkalb@dorsai.com (Jim Kalb)
Subject: Re: Belief does not define Religion
Organization: The Dorsai Embassy +1.718.729.5018
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:39:59 GMT

weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:

: There are numerous people--even O--who _practice_
: Judaism for social, psychological, cultural or other reasons.  I in fact
: call myself "deconstructionist" to avoid all confusion [ . . . ]
: 
: To try and define who is a Jew
: by a matter of belief is a concept that not even Reform has officially
: adopted, although it seems to be heading that way with their high
: acceptance of intermarriage.

If there were someone whose parents were Jewish and who did everything Jewish
law commands, would he still be a Jew if he also did everything he had to do
to be a Muslim?  (Believed that Mohammed is a prophet, prayed five times a day
facing Mecca, went on the Haj and so on . . . )  Or is there some reason you
could be an atheist and be a Jew but not believe in Islam and be a Jew?
-- 
Jim Kalb (jimkalb@dorsai.com)
"Harkas baayad ba andaazei gelim-e-khod paay-e-khod-raa daraaz konad."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Not Techelet Again (Re: Prayer shawls)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:18:43 GMT

>>>Andrew Solovay writes:
>>>>>Oh no! Not the Techelet thread again!
>>>Joel Goldberg responds:
>>>>  But it can't _be_ the authentic techelet thread...
>>In article <199211131251.AA14674@yfn.ysu.edu> <aa324@yfn.ysu.edu
>>(Marlene Miller)> adds:
>>>Nope, it's definitely _not_ the authentic techelet thread. In fact, it
>>>looks kinda grey on _my_ monitor!
>In article <1992Nov16.193732.824@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
>saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>>I would have thought that the source for the blue dye, not just its
>>appearance on a monitor was the knotty issue.
In article <1992Nov17.002430.2139@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:
>  Mah ha kesher?
"Kesher"? "Kosher?" Wait!  I thought we were talking about threads, not
Kashruth.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: edelheit@smiley.mitre.org (Jeff Edelheit)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: SCJ Gathering in Baltimore/Washington Area
Date: 15 Nov 92 03:03:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Nov15.030345.13315
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA

In article <92317.090539CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>One addendum and one erratum to my previous post:
>
>Addendum:
>You don't have to actually be from Baltington/Washimore to attend.
>If you want to come from elsewhere, great, but I'm not picking anyone
>up at the airport (unless Warren comes from Jerusalem).
>
>Erratum:
>Hunan Gourmet is in Potomac, not Rockville.
>
>No aspersions on the authenticity of Rockville are meant, but Hunan
>Gourmet is in Potomac, no doubt about it. I live in the District so
>all those Montgomery County towns seem more or less the same to me.
>
>Rabbi Charles Arian
>CARIAN@american.edu

Since I live near Dulles Airport, I'd be willing to pick someone up.
However, would the good Rabbi consider giving someone a ride if they
showed up at AU having taken Metro from Washington National?

Jeff Edelheit		email:  edelheit@mitre.org
The MITRE Corporation	voice:  (703) 883-7586
7525 Colshire Drive	FAX:	(703) 883-1397
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From: aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Date: 22 Nov 1992 22:53:31 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: nova1.stanford.edu

Hi Dima--

Thanks for your response.  I think some of your 'responses to my responses'
are a little tangential to what I was trying to address, but we can save it 
for email (if we need to discuss it further) and not inflict it on the
rest of the net.  You made a few statements that I do find problematic, 
though--

In article <1992Nov22.054749.7481@cis.ohio-state.edu> khaikin@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (dmitry khaikin) writes:

>I don't really care what xnity is. I know one thing, it is not Judaism
>and that's all a Jew has to know. As far as I am concerned xnity is a
>stolen religion, stolen from Judaism and later used as a weapon in
>domestic affairs. 

Since when was there a patent on monotheism?  Cultures are always inheriting
from other cultures.  I find this statement on a par with 'Hebrew is a 
stolen language, stolen from the Akkadian'.  What on earth did Judaism 'lose'
by the fact that a new religion with some roots in Judaism sprang up?  It's
not like G-d's intent was to have everyone in the world be Jewish, otherwise
why choose the Jews from out of all the nations as a light unto them rather
than a message of 'convert everyone in the world'--a philosophy some Christian
sects, unfortunately, seem to espouse.

As for people getting points for converting a Jew, my honest reaction is
'so what?'  I don't really care if someone is trying to convert me to save
my immortal soul (sarcasm on) or to get brownie points on some eternal
scorecard.  It's unwelcome and will be discouraged either way.  

>Acutually, it is a very good point. One should not continue with the
>things like these if it brings "war" instead of deeper understanding.

Pravda.  Or one should examine and perhaps change the approach being used.

			. . .Alexandra

(warning: whose ivrit is *much* better than her russki yazik)
From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: "Feminazis" and the "abortion holocaust"
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 16:49:15 +0100
Organization: "The Private Site of Manfredo Tichauer"

aap@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:

> I would like to see this tread out of s.c.j.

   So do I. 

> There is no point on arguing with a bunch of catholics about this.
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
> I guess that bringing this tread here will only result on getting  
> ourselves insulted.

   Although I  also think that it is infamous to compare abortion with
   the Shoah (The Holocaust), I find it is highly insulting the use of
   the sentence "..a bunch of catholics..".

1. Many people that oppose abortion are non-Catholics: there are even 
   Jews that oppose it;
2. I personally know many Catholics that accept abortion;
3. Catholics are as honorable as any other member of other religious
   groups.
4. What would you think about "a bunch of argentinian Jews" in s.c.j.?
   (a bunch of one ;-))

> 
> Just an opinion.
> AAP
 
   This is also MY opinion


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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:08:01 GMT

dm = makowsky@enuxva.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
a = 2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (andy)

a: If Kahane had lived, what would he have thought?

me: I don't know what he would have thought (although I can make some
me: uncomplimentary guesses).  But I imagine he would have said that while
me: his followers had nothing to do with it, he does not condemn the act.
me: This is what he used to say after other violent acts were committed
me: against non-Jews.

dm: I had nothing to do with the liberation of Jerusalem during the six
dm: day war (which involved violence against non Jews).  I also do not condemn
dm: the act.  I guess I am a racist.

I supported the Six Day War, why ought I to condemn it?  If one loudly
"doesn't condemn" something this seems to me to be indicating support.
I always understood his "I do not condemn it" to mean "I would like to
say I support it, but if I do I might get arrested for inciting
violence.  So listen carefully: I (wink) do (wink) not (wink) condem
(it) it".  Otherwise, why not say "I had nothing to do with it" -
period?

me: Unlike him, I do condemn these acts.

dm: What do you mean "unlike him"?  Because he is dead?  How do you
dm: know what he would have dne or said.  That is a cheap shot.

Why do you insist in seeing insult where there is none?  The
difference to which I draw attention is not that he is dead and I am
not but that extrapolating from his behavior during his life it is
reasonable to assume that his reaction towards the violence at his
funeral would have been "I do not condemn it" while I do.

This path is being continued by his followers.  While I don't know who
actually is responsible for the grenade in the Old City two days ago,
both Kahana Chai and Kach were quoted in yestderday's papers as "not
condemning it".  It might even be the case that neither of them had
anything to do with it, but what I understand them to be saying is "we
approve".
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
 |__/__/_/    
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From: norm@helix.nih.gov (Norman Friedman)
Subject: Re: Tzitzit on ordinary garments
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <norm@helix.nih.gov (Norman Friedman)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 02:46:18 GMT

unless I am mistaken, I believe that the only reason we wear an actual beged
for the tzitzit is so that we can fulfill the mitzvah properly.  If one were
to wear a set of clothing lacking a four-cornered garment, he would not be
required to wear tzitzit.  But being that every Jew should have a fervor to
partake in, and accept a mitzvah upon himself, we go out of our way to make
sure we are wearing four tee[l1`'8d&JG3iix=0jK|YDGfA

cornered begged, and therefore are required to wear the tzitzit.