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From: Laura.Gowdy@launchpad.unc.edu (Laura Gowdy)
Subject: herbal advice on the Net
Followup-To: alt.magick
Summary: looking for specific legal reference
Keywords:  abortifacients
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:51:39 GMT

	Hello... Someone out there must know the details of U.S. law about
practicing medicine without a license?  I don't, but I know every herbal
I've ever seen begins with a huge disclaimer that "this is not medical
advice, you should _always_ consult a doctor," etc. which makes me think
the laws about liability must be fairly strict.
	Recently, on alt.magick and other subs, requests have appeared,
pleading with readers to post herbal abortifacient recipes: dosages,
techniques, the whole bit.  Much banter has ensued, no recipes have been
posted, but no one seems to be taking seriously the idea that answering
such a request might be _illegal_.  Isn't it???
	If anyone is familiar with the specific legislation, we could
really use a copy posted to alt.magick, or emailed to me with permission
to forward.  I'm sure this is an FAQ on your sub-- perhaps it needs to be
distributed across larger portions of the Net. 
	Thanks,
	      LG



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From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski)
Subject: Re: Vaccinations?
Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:34:17 GMT

Disclaimer: This is not professional medical advice.  Do your own research
and consult your qualified health care professional before relying on any
information posted to Usenet.

In article <1682@tecsun1.tec.army.mil>, anneb@tecsun1.tec.army.mil (Anne
Brink) writes:

>>Some feel that it would be safer and more effective just to immunize
>>susceptible women of child-bearing age.)

>I, a "woman-of-childbearing-age," just was required to get an MMR booster about
>a year ago.  They required me to sign in blood, swear on all my dead relatives
>graves and a few other things that I would under no circumstances get pregnant
>in the next x months. (3-6, I forget and it wasn't in the plans, anyway)  The
>risk of birth defects due to the immunization was sufficient to have the health
>clinic extremely nervous.  If these people's worries were justified, then it
>might very well turn out to be much less safe. 

Their worries are justified.  But that doesn't necessarily mean it's
safer to just immunize kids.  Remember, rubella is a very mild
childhood disease, and it appears that getting it as a kid provides
more immunity into adulthood than vaccination.

So a girl who is immunized during childhood probably won't contract it
as a child, but may become susceptible again as an adult, and need a
revaccination anyway.

An intermediate solution would be to administer blood tests to
adolescent girls, and administer the vaccine to those without evidence
of immunity.

Rubella vaccine does have significant side effects associated with it
as well, including arthritis and central nervous system disorders.

Pete
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Vaccinations?
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 07:09:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.093244.3495@rtf.bt.co.uk> traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
>See  point  3)  above.  While  getting measles naturally provides life-long
>immunity,  taking  the  vaccine does not in any way guarantee it.

The vaccine induces immunity for at least as long as it's been measured.
Since it's only been in use for about 25 years or so, no one is going to
say that it confers lifelong immunity.  There have been vaccine failures;
some of these were found to be due to too early vaccination of infants
and also from the vaccine in wide use before 1979, which used a different
stabilizer.

>If taking
>the  vaccine  means  that  one is *more* likely to get the disease in later
>years  during  an  epidemic then surely it would have been more sensible to
>get  the  disease  earlier  in  life and not bother being vaccinated in the
>first  place?

Well, first, your assumption is false.  Secondly, it would be preferable
to have measles as a child, but only if it were completely benign, which
it isn't.  If it were, we wouldn't be immunizing children against it.

>The references I gave in an earlier posting show that during
>epidemics  many  of those that get the measles disease have been previously
>immunized.

This was in large part due to the older vaccine.  What's more, the total
number of individuals who suffer from measles-related morbidity (not to
mention mortality) is much lower now, because the absolute incidence
of measles cases is much lower.

>There  is  very  little chance of catching the disease from a live vaccine.
>It  is  more  common that *other* people (usually family members) catch the
>disease  from  their  immunized  children.  There  are a number of reported
>cases  of  parents  who  became paralysed after their children had received
>polio  vaccine.  If  you  are  going  to have your child immunised with the
>live  polio  vaccine then it is sensible to take booster shots yourself. Of
>course  the  incidence  of  transmutation  of the live polio vaccine into a
>virulent  form  is  incredibly small, but that won't be much comfort to you
>if you are paralysed.

We were discussing measles; I find this swimming around of yours
potentially misleading.  This is not an issue with the measles vaccine.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk)
Subject: Re: Crystalline vitamin C - caveats
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 15:09:56 GMT

>Crystalline vitamin C is great stuff, but there are a few important
>things to know about it:
>
>1) Ascorbic acid, the cheapest and most common variety,
>is acidic enough to etch the enamel on your teeth. Therefore,
>after you drink it, you should rinse your mouth with plain water.
>(Someone a few days ago recommended making lemonade with the stuff -
>a fine idea, but not a good drink to sip all day.)
>
>The non-acidic versions (e.g. calcium ascorbate) won't cause this 
>problem.  [...]

I've used ascorbic acid crystals dissolved in water or tea as quick
relief from sore throat.  Will calcium ascorbate work similarly or
might ascorbic acid's acidity contribute to the effect?

I assume that calcium ascorbate will generally have none of the negative
effects on teeth, etc., that ascorbic acid does.  Is that a reasonable
assumption?


-- 
Richard Foulk		richard@pegasus.com
From: webber@cwis.unomaha.edu (Joan Livingston-Webber)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: tinnitus - ringing in the ears
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:35:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1993Jan10.183530.9865
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

Read somewhere about 2 years that supplements made from the
qinko tree rid many of tinnitus within a few months.  Bought
some for a friend who did not try them.  It may have been in
Vegetarian Times (?)--it was that size a mag so it wasn't i 
Prevention.  I don't remember what dosage range was involved.
Good luck.

Joan L-W
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: matjmm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (J. Morgan Morris)
Subject: Re: appetite supression
Keywords: appetite suppression,herbal
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:03:34 GMT

shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:

>rowlands@flash.pax.tpa.com.au (David  Rowlands) writes:

>>Can anyone suggest a method of appetite supression, herbal or otherwise
>>except modern drugs.

>To suppress the appetite temporarily, in order to avoid overeating at
>mealtime, or over snacking, I recommend a hot beverage such as
>decaffinated tea with a little skim milk.  Or even a cup of hot skim
>milk.  I pour skim milk in a coffee mug and microwave for 2 minutes.

>Hot liquid is an excellent appetite suppressent.

>Also,  V-8 juice, has only 35 calories per serving, no fat, and is
>very filling.

One source of useful information is the Body-type diet by a Dr. Abravenel.
(The exact title of the book, as well as the exact spelling of the author's
last name escapes me, but it's out in paperback.) 

According to this book, there are three basic body types for men (thyroid,
adrenal and pituitary) and an additional one (gonadal) for women. Each body
type is characterized by particular body shapes and cravings. For example,
I am a thyroid and tend to put on weight in the middle of my body, with my
hands and face not adding any extra fat. I tend to crave sugar and caffeine
as I grow tired. 

For each body type, there are recommended herbal teas to strengthen the metabolic
functions and thus lessen the cravings. For a thyroid, it is raspberry leaf
tea.

Later,
Morgan


-- 

John Morgan Morris
Department of Mathematics and Computer Science
Georgia State University
University Plaza
Atlanta, GA. 30303-3083

Internet: matjmm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu
Telephone: (404) 651-2253
FAX: (404) 651-2246

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: mrl@nerus.pfc.mit.edu
Subject: RE: Vitamins
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:30:17 GMT

In a previous article, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) wrote:
>In article <BSIMON.93Jan7113101@elvis.stsci.edu> bsimon@stsci.edu (Bernie Simon) writes:
>>If you are a smoker, I would suggest taking 2 grams of Vitamin C a
>>day. I would also suggest taking 25000 I.U. of Vitamin A in the form
>>of beta carotene every day, as it has been shown to help prevent lung
>>cancer. 
> 
>I think this is too strong a statement, though I suspect it can't hurt
>anything in this guy's situation.  On somewhat of the same tangent-- not
>exactly the same, yesterday's New England Journal of Medicine had a study of
>the effects of beta-carotene versus low-dose isotretinoin (Accutane) on
>the progression of leukoplakia, a precancerous condition of the oral
>mucosa, to outright cancer.  Beta-carotene did not do very well, though
>there wasn't a placebo group, so it's hard to assess its utility versus
>doing nothing.  Isotretinoin, a vitamin A analogue, was highly effective.
> 

Why did they use beta-carotene instead of plain vitamin A?  Aren't there factors
which inhibit the conversion of beta-carotene into vitamin A?

P.s. Accutane seems to help fibromyalgia symptoms.  Any speculation why?

Mark London
MRL@NERUS.PFC.MIT.EDU
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: rclayton@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Randy Clayton)
Subject: Re: Juicers
Reply-To: rclayton@urbana.mcd.mot.com
Organization: Motorola MCG, Urbana Design Center
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:06:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.192931.1311@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> rkaren writes:

   I hope that I'm in the right group for this. I'm not a subscriber.

   I am interested in buying a juice maker and I have no idea what to
   look for. I see prices ranging from $39 to the sky is the limit. The 
   only feature that I know I want is that it should be easy to clean.
   Can anybody give me some simple guidelines or refer me to any publication
   similar to Consumer Reports. Please email to rkaren\@hlwpw.att.com.


The December 1992 Consumer Reports [1] reviewed juicers. The more expensive
ones, over $200, got panned pretty bad. Two under $100 models, from
Panasonic and another Japanese company, were rated best buys.

I actually decided to not buy a juicer after reading the article. I
would recommend you read it before spending money. You should certainly
stay away from the over $200 snob appeal varieties of juicers if you do
decide to buy.

[1] I think that this is correct, if not is was definately one of the
last 4 or 5 issues. Check your local library.
From: nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz)
Subject: Re: tinnitus - ringing in the ears
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:07:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.183248.16603@Csli.Stanford.EDU> pedwards@csli.stanford.edu (Paul N Edwards) writes:
>Does anyone know any remedies for tinnitus (ringing in the ears)? 
>Mine isn't related to hearing loss. Western docs basically say
>there's nothing they can do about it, but ignore it and it will go
>away. This is true in one sense - if I stop thinking about it I
>stop noticing it - but it's still very unpleasant when I want to
>sit outside under the stars on a quiet night and all I can hear is
>this loud ringing sound.

Some tinnitus is caused by wax accumulation in the ears--you should 
try using one of those liquid-to-dissolve-the-wax systems, not q-tips.
This worked for me, though I gather it doesn't work for all tinnitus.

Nancy Lebovitz
nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: bsimon@stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Subject: Re: Bach Flower Remedies
Organization: None. This saves me from writing a disclaimer.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:17:22 GMT

For accute lower back pain, try massage, hot baths, a heating pad, and
gentle stretching. Time will eventually fix your problem. I'm not
familiar with the Bach Flower remedies, but I thought they were for
emotional problems. There are homeopathic remedies which might help
back pain, but I can't solve your problem over the net. If you get the
book "Everybody's Guide to Homeopathic Medicine" you should be able to
choose the correct remedy for yourself.
--
Bernie Simon			New Year's Resolution:
bsimon@stsci.edu		I promise not to call anyone a bonehead.
From: dancer@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: correct short-sightedness without glasses
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:06:26 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <5JAN199310353309@wccf.mit.edu>, buzz@wccf.mit.edu (Sheila Gay Buzzee) writes:
> In article <WSINDD.93Jan5135705@wsinti04.win.tue.nl>, wsindd@win.tue.nl (Dennis Dams) writes...
>>I know someone who just started orthokeratology this month. If anyone
>>is interested, I'll keep in touch about the effects.
>> 
>>--Dennis Dams.
> 
>   Please keep us posted.  I for one, would be thrilled to shed the glasses and 
> contacts, and never have vision-induced headaches again.
> 
>   Buzz

How bad are your eyes now?

I have gone through OrthK many years ago. You cannot get a lot of correction
or you start inducing astigmatism.

I went from about 20/250 to 20/200. He wasn't willing to push much more
and then he passed away. 

You'll find OrthoK is more common in the Midwest then the East. (I cannot
talk for the south or the West.)

Good luck.
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From: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Hair Loss, alternatives
Date: 6 Jan 1993 00:14:53 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: antizen.ebay.sun.com


My alternative treatment for hair loss (mine has been thinning since
highschool) is....

































Grow a really long pony tail, get your ear pierced and f*ck 'em if they
can't take a joke!!!!!!








I always figured unless I was working on a modeling career, a salesman
or a politician, I'd be better off being secure with who I am, not
who I'm not.

"Help me Mr. Wizard! I don't WANNA be bald!"

"Drizzle drazzle drizzle drome, time for THIS one to come home, remember,
 be what you is, not what you're not, those who IS what they is are the
 HAPPIEST lot"
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Re: correct short-sightedness without glasses
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:33:30 GMT

I'm very interested in ortho-k.  I might just undergo it myself this
year.  From what I've been told the lenses are very difficult to
adapt to because of their rigidity.  But I have heard of several
people who successfully corrected their myopia with this procedure.

--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
		  Gravity is no laughing matter.
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: steve@unipalm.co.uk (Steve Ladlow)
Subject: Alternative hair loss cure
Organization: Unipalm Ltd., 216 Cambridge Science Park, Cambridge CB4 4WA, UK
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:54:20 GMT

I once knew a guy who claimed that he was almost bald when he was
18 years old. Someone told him to stop using hair shampoo and only
wash it in hair conditioner every day. 

He did this and when I knew him he had a pretty good head of hair.
It was thinly spread but at least it covered most of his scalp. He
had continued to use conditioner only and had no intention of stopping.

Steve

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: kirsten@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Kirsten Starcher)
Subject: Essential oils and Vitamin C in oranges
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:34:15 GMT

I have a few questions.

First, how are essential oils made?

Second, does anyone know of any useful qualities of either anise or spruce
essential oils?  I bought them because they smell nice, but do they have any
therapeutic use?

And finally, does anyone know approximately how many mg of Vitamin C are in an
orange?

Thanx.


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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: bsimon@stsci.edu (Bernie Simon)
Subject: Re: Analysis of Homeopathy Literature
Organization: None. This saves me from writing a disclaimer.
	<BSIMON.92Dec28071921@elvis.stsci.edu>
	<1993Jan8.055115.23857@netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:23:27 GMT

First, I'm not saying that the British Medical Journal study was
entirely, enthusiastically positive. It is, however, generally positive
towards homeopathy and it is the best summary of the evidence in an
allopathic journal that I know of. The article did not say that there
may be publication bias, rather that publication bias could not be
determined. A small, but important, distinction. Generally speaking,
it would be hard to determine publication bias in a subject as far out
of the mainstream as homeopathy because not many people are paying
attention to the research. Whether you believe that homeopathy has
enough evidence behind it to make it legitimate is a personal
decision, I think. Certainly it is much safer than much of allopathic
medicine and in many cases I would think it advisable to try the
safer form of treatment first and only go on to the riskier form of
treatment if the safer form fails.
--
Bernie Simon (bsimon@stsci.edu) -- Looking for a 90's answer to a 60's question
		

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: abulloch@garnet.berkeley.edu (Anthony Bulloch)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: Anti Oxidants?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 08:58:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec23.172848.4071@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> 
lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:

>I've heard that there are supposed to be anti oxidant drugs often used
>in Europe, does anyone know anything about them? 
>Does anyone know if these have been tested? I assume testing them would
>be quite difficult since the effects would only show up after many years,
>of use.

Do you really mean 'drugs'?   

Most anti-oxidants are vitamins or minerals and are available in
supplement form - and you don't have to go to Europe to get them:
there are some US companies that produce first-rate anti-oxidants
using the latest scientific research and technology.

Anthony Bulloch
abulloch@garnet.berkeley.edu

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Vaccinations?
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:06:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.202515.5200@netcom.com> kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski) writes:
>According to the sources I've read, measles, mumps, and rubellla were
>historically common childhood diseases with rare complications.

Rare, but rarer now that there has been widespread vaccination.

>Since the MMR vaccine was introduced, the diseases are much less common
>among children, but have increased in incidence among adolescents and
>young adults, when complications are much more common.

And one way of ensuring this is to avoid having your child vaccinated.

>(Rubella immunization is actually not given to protect the children who
>get it, but rather to prevent the circulation of the disease, so that
>pregnant women won't contract it, since it can cause birth defects.  Some
>feel that it would be safer and more effective just to immunize
>susceptible women of child-bearing age.)

That is correct.  I think the concern there is that's it's far easier and
more effective from a public-health standpoint to try to vaccinate everyone.
See the comments on herd immunity made here.  Also, since the administration
of the rubella vaccine is contraindicated in any pregnant woman, there would
be the risk (medical and legal) of administering an intervention which
actually caused the very syndrome (birth defects) the vaccination program
is trying to avoid.  Women do not always realize when they become pregnant.

>This is not always true.  Randall Neustaedter writes in _The Immunization
>Decision_, "The [measles] vaccine has apparently resulted in a dramatic
>decline in measles cases.  In the light of these promising statistics, a
>national goal was set to eliminate measles by 1982.  Notwithstanding these
>hopes, reports of epidemics in fully vaccinated populations have appeared
>periodically and consistently since the vaccine's introduction."  He
>offers these cites as illustrative cases:

This is not a failure of herd immunity per se (which is rather like the law of
gravity--you're not going to find many exceptions), but of a failure of
particular vaccines to produce or maintain an immune response.  Also,
measles is probably one of the most communicable viral diseases imaginable,
so one infected individual can deliver the virus very efficiently to
many susceptible individuals.  Herd immunity prevents such outbreaks from
becoming an epidemic.

>If the vaccines work, the epidemics must only be amongst the unimmunized,
>right?

Only among the unprotected; those who didn't receive a vaccine and
those for whom the vaccine was not effective.

>We haven't touched on the issue of serious side effects of the various
>vaccines, yet, either.

You mean the very low incidence of serious side effects.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative