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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:01:27 -0400 
From: Paul Joseph Mitchell <pm3z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: The Emperor Falling Down (Getting!) the Shaft
	<BuBIC7.8qy@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

Steve Stelter writes:

> I don't think Luke actually choked the guard.  My interpretation of the
> scene is that Luke used his Jedi powers to send the telepathic message
> "Outta my face, pinheads..." to the guards.  Being hit with such a 
> powerful unspoken Force suggestion stunned the guards momentarily; we
> see them stagger back and clutch themselves because they're seriously
> impressed, not because they're choking.

Sounded like they were choking to me - they make some gurgling sounds. 
Anyways, didn't Yoda say "The force is for knowledge and defense - never
for attack"?  The "outta my face, pinheads..." message seems
contradictory to that.

Besides, if the Gamorrean gurads were seriously impressed, why would
they clutch their throats?  In my opinion at least, that doesn't seem
like a "normal" reaction someone would make when they're impressed or
overwhelmed.

Although, perhaps it could have been a combination of being overwhelmed
AND choked at the same time...
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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: The Emperor Falling Down (Getting!) the Shaft
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:43:16 GMT

alumni106@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Max Sterling) writes:

>In article <4eeBttS00awTEs0EhV@andrew.cmu.edu>, Paul Joseph Mitchell <pm3z+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>> But we DID see Luke make a little pinching gesture and gag some
>> Gamorrean Guards in ROTJ when he first entered Jabba's palace...

>Actually, it was closer to a hand wave, but still, like father, like son...

I don't think Luke actually choked the guard.  My interpretation of the
scene is that Luke used his Jedi powers to send the telepathic message
"Outta my face, pinheads..." to the guards.  Being hit with such a 
powerful unspoken Force suggestion stunned the guards momentarily; we
see them stagger back and clutch themselves because they're seriously
impressed, not because they're choking.


                                   --Steve Stelter
                                     sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: garvey@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (Heather Garvey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Dark Force Rising (cont.)
Date: 10 Sep 1992 21:10:52 GMT
Organization: Smith Undergrad Lab, CWRU, Cleve. OH
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ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
>
>As for Luke and Mara, I'm betting Zahn won't get them together romantically,
>and I think he will be a lot safer in public if he does that, considering
>the general opinion of net.people out there.  But I would think it would be
>kind of neat if they did get involved in a relationship with each other.
>Quite a switcharound, and it would take some serious character-reforming on
>the part of both.  Just the kind of thing that goes *perfectly* with some
>outside disaster -- and they both pull through it in the end, winding up
>romantically involved in the process.

	Romantically involved would suck. But I can see them becoming
partners. I see Mara teaching self-defense and weaponry at the 
Jedi school Luke will eventually have to get around to establishing
when political life cools down. And I DEFINITELY see her becoming 
a Jedi herself. But I can't really see *romantic* love. It would way
too much out of character for a good many years. (Maybe after years
of being partners, maybe, but now...Naaahhh.)
	As it is, they have that good partner chemistry. I see the same
things in their relationship that makes good lab partners. :) As a 
biochemist, taking a lot of labs, you get to really appreciate someone
who is a good match to you partner-wise. I see the same chemistry between
Mara and Luke developing. She's pretty much completely over her hatred for
him by the end of DFR. 


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From: pm3z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Paul Joseph Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Dark Force Rising
Date: 7 Sep 92 04:02:06 GMT
	<martin.715830300@zen>
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:

>             Joruus C'baoth was a CLONE of Jorus C'baoth.  As I recall, Luke
>does not yet know this (or anyone else except Thrawn and Pellaeon, for that
>matter).  Interesting idea, but can anybody think how this fact would be
>significant to the outcome of the story?

	As I remember from one of Zahn's books, aren't the clones somewhat
psychologically unstable?  We've already seen that Joruus C'baoth is on
the verge of insanity.  I think this fact in itself makes his character
that much more unpredictable, and interesting.  Although he's a Dark
Jedi Master, anything can happen...
	Be interesting if Luke somehow convinced him to turn on Thrawn, eh?

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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Admiral Piett
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:40:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <dragon.716502347@camelot> dragon@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Korth) writes:
>In <1992Sep14.191548.21610@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>>In article <BuKozB.Dz5@mcigate.apdev.mci.com> rmwise@mcigate.apdev.mci.com (Bob_Wise) writes:
>>>How about the fact the Ozzel actually screwed up, but Piett didn't.
>>>Vader isn't stupid.
>>But what did Needa do to screw up?
>
>Not only was his ship in pursuit of the MF, he *accepted* *full*
>*responsibility* for losing them....

Oh, yeah.  Silly me, I forgot.  How could ever forget the classic lines,
"I shall apologize to Lord Vader personally," and "Apology accepted,
Admiral Needa."  Whoops.  My fault.

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
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From: mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr)
Subject: Re: Admiral Piett
Keywords: Vader Piett TESB
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 23:03:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.084736.13705@pyra.co.uk> XXX@pyra.co.uk CHANGE THIS TO YOUR NAME writes:
>
>Good Folks,
>
>I have a question which has been bugging me for a long time.
>
>In  TESB,  when  Admiral Ozzel emerges with his battle fleet too  close  to
>Hoth, thus allowing the Alliance to force a surface attack from the Empire,
>Vader kills him.
>
>In the same film, when Captain Needa aboard the Avenger loses the Millenium
>Falcon in the pursuit, Vader kills him also.
>
>Yet  when  Admiral Piett loses the Millenium Falcon at the end of the  film
>due  to  its  jumping into hyperspace (despite reassurances from  Piett  to
>Vader  that  the  hyperdrive  aboard  the  MF  has  been  disabled),  Vader
>apparently  does  nothing  by way of a reprimand.  Lo and  behold,  we  see
>Admiral  Piett  very much intact in ROTJ.  This in spite of the  fact  that
>Vader  warns  Piett,  "Don't  fail me again - ADMIRAL !"  (great  line  !),
>shortly after doing away with Needa.
>

A theory was advanced some time ago (sorry, not sure who's it was...) that
by that point in the film, Vader was beginning to show little signs of 
goodness-- sparing Piett's life being one of them.  This is the type of 
thing that Luke says that he can sense in RotJ.  "...I feel the good in you,
father..." Blaaachk.

Anyway, I'm not sure whether or not I agree with the theory, but I thought 
I'd mention it since it seemed somewhat interesting.

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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The Jedi Storm (story introduction)
Date: 5 Sep 92 15:32:26 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <Bu207J.FA0@news.larc.nasa.gov> avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee) writes:
>so basically your saying that to use any of the names from a movie or book
>("the issue of trademark") is illegal so we cant use the names luke sky...
>uh, uh i meant duke cloud skipper or dan loner or even sun battles???

	Of course we can use their names.  The problem stems from the fact
that the story writer wanted people to pay money for half of the story.
This is illegal, and is a lot more likely to get him/her sued than regular
PD fan fiction.  Besides, they obviously haven't rewatched the movies much
as they make more than a few GLARING mistakes when it comes to certain names
of people and places (And no, they aren't typos, they are stupid mistakes)
Organization: Miskatonic University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:42:01 EDT
From: Brian Panulla, MooCow <BJP108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: canon
 <1992Sep4.150032.6248@ccsun.strath.ac.uk> <92248.125258JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu>

The word "canon" in this case is most directly related to the CanonWars(tm)
that occur weekly on the StarTrek groups. Yes, it was derived from the
religious definition by a few overzealous Trekkers a few years back to
account for the various YATIs (Yet Another Trek Inconsistency). They decided
that some of the shows just plain "didn't happen". Most of the Trek novels
likewise "didn't happen."

Brian Panulla
BJP108 @ PSUVM
Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras.
From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Canon...the Official Word from Lucasfilm.
Date: 6 Sep 1992 13:47:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
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In a previous article, gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay) says:

>In article <1992Aug30.211810.29350@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:
>>I DON'T THINK SO!!!  If this happens (all three movies coming out
>>within 6 months of each other) I will ... I will ... I don't know,
>>I'll so something extremely embarrassing and/or painful in public
>
>	Better do it quick.  Lucas plans on filming the movies at the same,
>ala Back to the Future II and III, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were
>all released very closely together...I'd have guessed a year, but 6 months
>is 'do-able'
>


Any time period would be do-able, if you planned for it.  Heck, if he
wanted and he planned for it, he could release them all the same
weekend.  But I think it would be a bonehead marketing strategy.  I mean,
the longer the phenomenon lasts, the more money he's going to make on
merchandising.  So it would be to his benefit to drag it out as long
as possible.  Also, you don't want to split your revenue by having
people choose between whether they want to go and see one film or
the other.  Now, the viedotape will probably come out about the time
the next film is released, but no matter what time period is "do-able"
I don't think they'll be released any faster than once per year.

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From: beh10@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: STAR WARS Revamped!?!
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:39:14 GMT
Reply-To: beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep11.111216.2308@wkuvx1.bitnet> futrena@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>I predict that they will re-edit and re-release, your favorite and
>mine, _STAR WARS_ and _The Empire Strikes Back_.  Keep in mind, this
>is only a guess and prediction.  

>There has got to be at least 30
>minutes worth of footage that was cut from the original _STAR WARS_. 
>Just think of _STAR WARS_ in LucasFilm Surround Sound STEREO.  I get
>goose bumps just thinking about it.


I presume you mean footage that was NEVER RELEASED and found its home
on the cutting room floor, such as Jabba from ANH.  


Content-wise I hope that they NEVER change any of the Star Wars films.  I think
they're "perfect" as is! However, if they want to release the movies with
THX Dolby Surround, you'd get no complaint from me! (The cost of the equipment
to play it back is another story...)


Actually, this isn't the first time that Star Wars, etc have been "black-listed",
or the first time it's been discussed here.  Fox does this occasionally. 
IMHO it's just a supply and demand tactic to drive of the price of the movies.


>Nathan Futrell
>futrena@WKUVX1.bitnet
>"Any questions, comments, ideas, snide remarks..."

                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

                                I'm never short on these!! /8^)     

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From: joshuali@usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: THX/Dolby Surround
Date: 14 Sep 1992 19:34:29 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
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I noticed some misunderstandings when it comes to THX and Surround.

THX is not a recording format-it is a exhibition format.
You cannot record something in THX.  You CAN record something in a THX
theater. You CAN play ANY film in a THX theater.

If a theater has THX that doesn't mean that they have a THX processor or
something or other. THX is not a special device. It is a standard that
theaters go by and then they are allowed to display a THX Equipped sign
for a fee to Lucasfilm.  Something can be THX quality and not have a THX
sign. That just means that they haven't received permission from Lucasfilm.
You can show Trip to the Moon in a THX theater if you want. It may sound bad
but it will be "Trip to the Moon in THX"

Star Wars was recorded in stereo and surround has existed since the 50's.

The best way to see Star Wars now would be to see it in 70mm 6 track Dolby
in a THX equipped theater.

I hope that Lucas releases the next SW films in Cinema Digital or Dolby
Digital. I saw Batman Returns at a theater with Digital and THX approved 
sound, IT KICKED ASS!!! If anyone ever gets the chance to see any action
film in Digital...go.  When the Batmobile fired up its afterburner you
could fell the bass RUMBLING through your chest.

-joshuali@usc.edu
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From: azamora@hexagon.cs.indiana.edu (Tony Zamora)
Subject: Re: Luke and self-levitation
Reply-To: azamora@cs.indiana.edu
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 16:22:53 EST

In article <1992Sep4.170554.4666@pyra.co.uk> hugh@pyra.co.uk CHANGE THIS TO  
YOUR NAME writes:
> Well, I can't recall any offhand, although I do wonder how on
> Earth (well, Bespin actually) Luke  manages to fall away from
> his confrontation  with  Vader  in TESB, straight into one of 
> those vent-type things. Was this Luke playing with gravity, a
> limited form  of self-levitation, or do those vents just suck
> rather hard ?

I think that Vader guided Luke into the vent and had planned to recover him  
from the underside of Cloud City.  I think one of the things that makes the  
duel between Vader and Luke interesting is that Vader is in control of  
everything.  He toys with Luke from the very beginning.  Luke never had a  
chance.

Tony
From: x91fanjoy@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Toys Wanted
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:43:47 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University


	Since there seems to be a lot of talk about the Star Wars toys
here on the net, I figured that I'd post this request.

	I would like to buy (in any decent condition):

1.  The tall Boba Fett Figure (around 15")
2.  Slave I

3.  The die-cast Y-wing
4.  The die-cast Slave I (I think they made one)
5.  Some of the die cast figures

		If you have these (or any of the die-cast line), and you'd
like to sell them for reasonable rates, contact me with a REPLY to this
post.
		--Dave "Y-Wings and Boba Fett are Cool" Fanjoy
From: w95_cook@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: New Movies
Date: 13 SEP 92 15:24:49 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
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There have been a lot of rumors regarding new films in the Star Wars
series, what with the Zahn novels and the Dark Horse comics coming out
all at the same time.  I had heard about a year ago that people at Lucasfilm
were told to "clear their calaenders" for 1994 to begin a major project.  Does
anyone have the latest poop on when or if the next film will be going into
production?????

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From: alumni106@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Max Sterling)
Subject: Re: The Emperor Falling Down (Getting!) the Shaft
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:05:19 GMT

In article <4eeBttS00awTEs0EhV@andrew.cmu.edu>, Paul Joseph Mitchell <pm3z+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> But we DID see Luke make a little pinching gesture and gag some
> Gamorrean Guards in ROTJ when he first entered Jabba's palace...

Actually, it was closer to a hand wave, but still, like father, like son...
From: mmartin@hongkong.WPI.EDU (Matthew Wayne Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: New Star Wars Novel
Date: 10 Sep 1992 14:20:19 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: hongkong.wpi.edu

	Has anyone heard anything about the Kenneth Flint SW book?  The recent
FAQ removed any mention of it.  Has the idea been scraped or is it still
going to be published, and if so when?

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From: wyman@rtsg.mot.com (Mark S. Wyman)
Subject: Re: E-Wings?! I think...
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:09:23 GMT

mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:

>The "E-Wing" is the STUPIDEST looking fighter ever conceived!
>Where did they come up with this?!

>Like the B-wing, it doesn't look *ANYTHING* like the letter!
>It looks like an x-wing without the pull-apart wings. And 
>what are those jet engines on th wings supposed to be?

>What's next, a Q wing? 

The B in B Wing stands for blade since it looks like a blade (using imagination
of course and a bit of LSD).  I beleive the E in E Wing stands for Expiremental
but I may be wrong.

Mark Wyman
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From: dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND)
Subject: Re: canon
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:07:21 GMT

In article <19vE02Mm21D501@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger) writes:
>
>
>Yeah, yeah, yeah --- how about Luke, Ben, Threepio and Artoo galloping
>through the desert towards Mos Eisley, banging coconuts together...!
>
>Er, on second thought...
>
>     8^)

Yeah! I can see it now! Star Gourds! 

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From: martin@zen.maths.uts.edu.au (Martin Caden)
Subject: Re: I've been wondering about this for ages...
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 01:20:37 GMT

sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
>                                                               In any
>event, there's no reason I can think of as to why the Empire didn't just
>incinerate the entire planet, and it's gaping holes like this that rank
>ANH as my least favorite film in the trilogy (blasphemy!).

Blowing away a planet that you are orbiting is probably not a trivial matter!
I could think of thousands of ways to defend ANH (by far the best of the SW
series IMHO) against these unholy attacks!!!! :-)

Perhaps they were saving fuel?  It might be hideously expensive to blow away a
planet - much cheaper to just deal with a moon....

  Cheers, O
         /|\ Martin Caden.                 School of Mathematical Sciences
         /^\ martin@zen.maths.uts.edu.au   University of Technology, Sydney
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From: martin@zen.maths.uts.edu.au (Martin Caden)
Subject: Re: Dark Force Rising
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 01:45:00 GMT

ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:

>             Joruus C'baoth was a CLONE of Jorus C'baoth.  As I recall, Luke
>does not yet know this (or anyone else except Thrawn and Pellaeon, for that
>matter).  Interesting idea, but can anybody think how this fact would be
>significant to the outcome of the story?

Perhaps this would explain how the Jedi were originally destroyed - send clones
of great power after them - eventually they'll be killed.  It may also provide
some means to defeat him (and perhaps the entire clone army that the Empire
will probably create).

>                                          Third:  Zahn made the statement
>that he did NOT create the ysalamiri merely for a "Kryptonite" kind of
>power.  He said they play a "vital role in Thrawn's master plan" or something
>like that.  Can anybody think what it might be?  Guesses?

I had the feeling that the ysalimiri were an important part of the cloning
process.  A clue to this is that after the construction of the Sparti cylinders
began Thrawn returned to Myrkr for more and Kardde made the comment that they
were running through them rather quickly - although no mention was made of
their use to protect any other ships/places.

>Though Winter is a good guess about Delta Source, I kind of think it might
>be Mon Mothma.  Comments...?

Perhaps it's not a person.  Luke was noted as having misgivings about using
Coruscant as a centre for the New Republic's government - some nagging feeling
that there was something "wrong" with the location.

PS. Who's willing to bet that Luke and Mara DON'T become a couple?

     O
    /|\ Martin Caden.                      School of Mathematical Sciences
    /^\ martin@zen.maths.uts.edu.au        University of Technology, Sydney