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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:17:02 EDT
From:         gaynet@GALLIFREY.KENT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 6 Issue 18

In this issue:
                        California rights bills
                                NEWSWEEK
        Irish President to Host Lesbian and Gay Representatives
           UPDATE ON BUSH-ROBERTSON ZAP TOMORROW IN VA. BEACH
               Address and Phone of Legislative Bill Room
                 your post about the gay-male community
                                families
                             Family Values
                    GayNet Digest Volume 6 Issue 18

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:56:38 -0800
From: b_blumberg@macsch.com (Bryan J. Blumberg)
Subject: Re:  California rights bills

jnrg@ocf.Berkeley.EDU said:

"lesbians and gays but not specifically bisexuals" are given
protections under California's AB-3825.

Not so, jnrg!  On page 44, AB-3825 says:

"Sexual orientation" means heterosexuality, homosexuality, or
bisexuality."

This is from my copy of the bill as introduced on March 2, 1992.
I know the bill has been amended many, many times since.  But
I seriously doubt that when they put the sexual orientation stuff
back in on August 29, that they would have conveniently left out
the word bisexuality.  I'll be ordering new copies of all three
of our civil rights bills from the Bill Room, just as soon as
Wilson vetoes them.

========================================
Bryan  J. Blumberg, The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation
815 Colorado Boulevard, Los Angeles, California  90041-1777
(213) 259-4914, B_BLUMBERG@MACSCH.COM

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Date:        Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:03:06 EDT
From: "AAKL000@CATCC.bitnet  Kevin S. Lowery Catonsville"
 <AAKL%CATCC.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: NEWSWEEK

> Sender: mmiller@darwin.cc.nd.edu
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:39:25 -0500
> From: Mike! <mike.w.miller.40@nd.edu>
> Subject: Ok, it begs asking...
>
> ...Mr. New Moderator, how come we're getting multiple GayNets with the same
> number?  Not to inflict my personal life on the world, but this really
> confuses my archiving software :-)
>
> Peace,
> Mike!
>
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> *          |  Lick Bush in '92                                          *
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>
Well, Mike, I can beat you on that one.  I have been begging two
identical digests before we switched to John as "moderator."  Now I
am receiving FOUR in some instinces.

All I have to say is JANE, STOP THIS CRAZY THING!

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:21 GMT
From: "Cathal Kelly, Dept ECE, Uni. Limerick, Ireland" <KELLYC@ul.ie>
Subject: Irish President to Host Lesbian and Gay Representatives

Feel free to submit this to your local/regional/national LGBO* newspapers
around the globe.

I'm going to be cheeky and ask: if your local paper does publish the story
and you can get around to it, would send me a (hard) copy of the publication
by `snail' mail, please.

This has also been posted to soc.motss.

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Limerick, Ireland -  8 September 1992

Irish President to Host Lesbian and Gay Representatives

by Cathal Kelly

The President of Ireland, Mrs Mary Robinson has invited representatives
of the lesbian and gay community in Ireland to visit her at her official
residence in the Phoenix Park, Dublin next December.

Thirty-four people, representing a range of lesbian and gay organisations
throughout the country, will visit Aras and Uachtarain - the Presidential
Palace - on December 12, where Mrs Robinson will host a reception for the
visitors.

Among the visitors will be representatives from Lesbian Lines and Gay
Switchboards in Galway, Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Belfast and Derry; GLEN,
the Gay and Lesbian Equality Network; the Gay Youth groups in Cork,
Dublin and Limerick; the National Lesbian and Gay Federation; Gay
Community News; and members of Parents Enquiry from Dublin and Limerick.
Senator David Norris of Dublin and Mr Arthur Leahy of Cork will also join
the representatives at the presidential reception. Both Senator Norris
and Mr Leahy have been active in organising the Irish lesbian and gay
community for over fifteen years. They are the only gay people to have
been awarded the Magnus Hirschfeld Award by the National Lesbian and Gay
Federation.

During the visit to the President, the representatives will be given a
tour of Aras an Uachtarain. This will be followed with a formal meeting
with Mrs Robinson where a member of each group will be introduced to the
President. Mrs Robinson will then make a short address to the Irish
lesbian and gay community through the representatives attending.

After the formal proceedings Mrs Robinson will host an hour-long informal
reception where she will meet and talk with the representatives over drinks.

The Presidency of Ireland is a non-political post and it is not expected
that Mrs Robinson will make any explicit references to the fact that
Ireland has still not repealled its laws dating from the nineteenth
century which criminalise homosexuality. Never the less, the fact that the
President is formally meeting representatives of the lesbian and gay
community is seen by many as an important landmark in the development of
an open society in Ireland.

In 1977 Senator (then Mr) Norris initiated an civil action against Ireland
claiming that the laws which prohibited sex between men were a breach of
his constitutional rights. Prior to being elected President of Ireland in
1990 Mrs Robinson was a barrister, and she represented Senator Norris in his
appeal to the Irish Supreme Court. Despite losing his case in the Irish
courts, Senator Norris won a judgement in the European Court of Human Rights
in 1988 stating that the laws were a breach of his rights under the European
Convention of Human Rights.

[note for those printing this: The President prefers to be known
 as _Mrs_ Robinson, and NOT _Ms_ Robisnon.]



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Cathal


- -------------------------------------------
|     Cathal Kelly
|     Ollscoil Luimnigh (Uni. Limerick),    For the benefit of
|     National Technological Park,          the non-Irish the
| IRL Limerick                              't' in 'Cathal' is       |
|                                           silent and the name      |
      (Ireland)                             is attached to the       |
                                            male of the species.     |
      kellyc@ul.ie                                                   |
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From: Mark Hertzog <mwh8h@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:27:36 EDT
Subject: UPDATE ON BUSH-ROBERTSON ZAP TOMORROW IN VA. BEACH

Here are the latest details on the "Bushwhack" tomorrow (Friday):
     Bush will speak at 6:30 (not 3:30) p.m. Friday, 11 September, on "family
values" at Pat Robertson's CBN (not CNN--sorry) complex at I-64 and Indian
River Road in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
     A general anti-Bush rally will begin at 4:00 at New Light Baptist
Church, on Indian River Road east of the CBN complex; take the eastbound exit
off I-64.  This rally is being organized by former State Senator Sonny
Stallings (Dem.-Va. Beach).
     At 6:00 the queer protesters will assemble at the Tidewater Rapid
Transit (TRT) parking lot at Indian River Rd. and Centerville Tpke., directly
across the street from CBN.  Civil-disobedience training will take place for
those interested; protestors need not join in the civil disobedience action.
At around 6:30 the protestors will walk across the street to the right-of-way
area in front of CBN's Founders Inn.
     This is a *non-violent* demonstration and peacekeepers will be present.
     A flophouse will be available in Virginia Beach for those who wish to
come from elsewhere and spend the night.
     Contact the organizer, Doug Chambers of Queer Nation/Central Virginia,
at (804) 971-1620.  He's leaving Charlottesville at 11:00 tomorrow, so call
tonight or early Friday.

Mark, Gay Down South in Dixie

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:17:34 -0800
From: b_blumberg@macsch.com (Bryan J. Blumberg)
Subject: Address and Phone of Legislative Bill Room

Dear Ron,

     I just wanted to let you know that I called the Bill Room
and asked them to mail me copies of AB-2601, AB-3019 and AB-3825
as passed by the California Legislature.  Yes, deary, I finally
broke down.  I couldn't stand it any more.  I didn't want to
wait for the vetoes to see what the actual bills looked like
as they sit on Pete's desk.  And guess what!!  You're in luck.

     I asked if they send this stuff out of state, too.  And
the lady said "yes."  So you can call up and request bills to.
Can you stand it?  Wait until after 5:00 p.m. your time, then
just dial (916) 445-2323.  Give them your name and address,
and they'll send you copies of what ever bill you want.

     You want needle exchange?  You want AIDS education?
You want resolutions on traditional family values?  You want
copies of 500 different bills relating to horse racing?
Just call up the bill room and you'll get 'em.

Legislative Bill Room
State Capitol, Room B-32
Sacramento, CA   95814-4997
(916) 445-2323

     No, I'm not typing them in to Gaynet.  I do have a life,
you know.

     Please say hi to Dean for me.

========================================
Bryan  J. Blumberg, The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation
815 Colorado Boulevard, Los Angeles, California  90041-1777
(213) 259-4914, B_BLUMBERG@MACSCH.COM

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:51:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Medlin <jmedlin@u.washington.edu>
Subject: your post about the gay-male community
Mime-Version: 1.0

The gay-male community, like all other communities of human beings, is
made up of flawed human beings.  Many are prejudiced, narcissistic, etc.,
but many are serious, spiritual, kind people like yourself.  Most are some
of one, some of the other, depending on the mood, the time of day, etc.
Keep reading the posts on gaynet and you will get a more balanced picture
of the gay-male community than you seem to have.  I don't know how large,
or how varied, a community you live in, but if there are gay community
activities available, check 'em out.  Superficial people generally don't
involve themselves in political or charity work, so you might meet some
congenial possible friends through that route.

And, of course, don't forget gay females.  Or bisexuals of either gender.
Which leads one to a new point, or maybe one you are making:  membership
in the gay-male community isn't a prerequisite for a gay man.  There isn't
a "membership" anyway.  Maybe you'd just rather be a member in the
community at large who happens to be gay.  Fine.  But I think you are
mistaken in basing that choice on the preconception that the gay community
isn't worthwhile.

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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:18:08 EDT
From: "Donna M. Riley" <DMRILEY@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
Subject:      families

A friend of mine (unfortunately less computer literate) is doing her
thesis on how gay and lesbian people from different racial/ethnic or class
backgrounds who are interested in parenting view kinship and recent legal
changes in family law.

If any of you who are parents or are thinking about parenting have any time,
she'd love to hear about your experiences and views.

Please respond to dmriley@phoenix.princeton.edu if you have anything you'd
like to say about parenting/families; my friend will be very grateful!!!


THANKS!

Donna



P.S. I've been looking everywhere for that Rebecca West quote about feminism,
and I can't find it anywhere!!!  Can someone help me???

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Date: 10 Sep 1992 18:02:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Peter M Saal <PSAAL@ccmail.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Family Values
Organization: State University of New York, Stony Brook
Mime-Version: 1.0

               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-3365

                                            Peter  Saal
                                            Assoc. for Resrch Info & Devel
                                            Ofc. of Research Services
                                            632-7932
                                            10-Sep-1992 05:36pm EDT
FROM:  PSAAL
TO:    Remote Addressee                     ( _Gaynet@Gallifrey.Kent.Edu )

SUBJECT: "Family Values"

The recent spate of messages regarding the current issue of Newsweek
prompted me to run down to the campus bookstore and get a copy.  I've
not had a chance to read the cover article, but Meg Greenfield's
closing essay caught my eye.  A few excerpts:

"...people resented the intrusion of political figures lecturing them
on their moral behavior and in addition were contemptuous of those
politicians' presumption that they could judge the character of so
many human relationships on the basis of large categories.  It is fair
to say that most people have known in their own environs at least one
superficially perfect family whose backbiting members were walking
examples of every familial vice in the book.  They have also known
disorganized and wholly unconventional families, families missing
husbands or wives or both, groupings of people banded together to be a
familty where none existed, that day in, and day out displayed more of
the values and virtues of familty relationships than the local pillars
of society."

"The problem is that once politicians get inveighing on these subjects
a couple of things happen.  They don't want to limit their attacks to
identified individual perpetrators of the vices they condemn because
this usually will make them look as if they are training a huge amount
of firepower on a relative handful of wrongdoers.  So they general and
nasty and end up seeming to condemn large swaths of the population
they claim are a threat to everyone else in society, while implying
their own moral perfection or at least superiority.  But people don't
feel that politicians are so superior these days, never mind perfect.
And they aren't ready for blanket condemnations of others on grounds
that they have failed in their familial duties."

"And again I would insist that the main reason is that the stereotypes
as piped out of Houston are unreliable in the experience of so many
Americans.  People of my generation observing close up modern
two-career marriages of women much more feminist than we were struck,
in fact sometimes even put off, by the almost obsessive (in our view)
closeness and interconection and family-mindedness of these newly
formed young families.  We are trying to adjust our opinions from an
era in which gay males were denounced for living obstreperous,
sexually scavenging, violent lives to one in which they are denounced
for wanting, as couples, to replicate heterosexual domestic life.  We
are trying to figure out how you protect very young people against
AIDS without seeming to sanction or even encourage behavior you think
is wrong.  It *is* a new world and the question is how do you make old
and tested values apply to it?  That mid-August blast from Houston
didn't inform, instruct, understand or help."

From her picture, Ms. Greenfield looks to be about 58 to 62 years of
age.  And boy, does she sound like my mother!

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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:57:21 -0700
From: jnrg@ocf.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: Re: GayNet Digest Volume 6 Issue 18

Bryan Blumberg was kind enough to correct privately an erroneous assertion
I made which I feel should be correctly publicly.  California AB 2601 DOES
include/protect bisexuals because the wording is based on the bill's
definition of sexual orientation, which is defined as homo, bi, or hetero.

Is this the first such bill in the land?  Does actual signed legislation
exist
anywhere which already protects bisexuals?

Bye the way, there is also on Wilson's desk a bill to legalize needle
exchange
(regulated, of course) to help reduce AIDS transmission in the IV drug
community.  I don't know what the hell happened to the California
legislature this year, but this kind of bill seems unlikely to have
passed in previous years.  It may be the last honk of the now
largely lame-duck cohort (CA has term limits now).

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