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From: leichter@zodiac.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: RE: hyphen in math
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:19:19 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University Department of Computer Science

In article <0096521B.F77912A0.24506@SHSU.edu>, bed_gdg@SHSU.edu (George D.
Greenwade) writes:
| [Earlier text omitted]
| Wellll, I'm sure someone is going to point out the limitations of this, but
| unless I have totally missed the point of this thread, I have used the
| following style for a few years now without much problem for doing what I
| think it is you are wanting to do.  It was designed prior to the NFSS (or
| at least my knowledge of it), it worked then and continues to work now. 
| It's relatively short (STY.MATHTEXT on FILESERV/Niord) and I would like to
| offer it as a solution (yes, my title and phone are now different; school
| and email are stable though 8-)).
| 
| --George
| % Save file as: MATHTEXT.STY           Source: FILESERV@SHSU.BITNET  
| % MATHTEXT.STY
| % Author: George D. Greenwade, Director, Center for Business and Economic
| %         Research, Sam Houston State University, Huntsville, TX  77341-2056
| %         Voice: (409) 294-1518    BITNET: BED_GDG@SHSU
| % Purpose: Brief style file which allows the issuance of \text{foo} to insert
| %         text in mathmode, and warns (but processes fragilely) when
| %         encountered outside mathmode.
| % Date: January 14, 1989 (GDG)

George, your TeX inexperience back in January of 1989 is showing!

| \typeout{Document substyle 'mathtext.sty'  January 14, 1989 (GDG)}
| \def\text#1{\ifmmode\leavevmode\hbox{#1}\else

This combination makes no sense.  If \ifmmode is true, we are in math mode,
not vertical mode, so why would we want to "leave vmode"?  (The problem is not
just in the name - \leavevmode simply unhbox's a void box.  This is a no-op in
math mode.)

Also, on general principles, any macro that starts with a mode test should
really have a leading \relax inserted - or you'll get surprised one day when
you use the macro at the beginning of an alignment entry.  (This is discussed
in the TeXbook.)

|    \typeout{Warning: \string\text \space used outside math mode!}
|    \begingroup\hbox{#1}\endgroup\fi}

Since an \hbox creates an implicit group, the \begingroup/\endgroup serve
no useful function here,.,

Also, it's nice to allow catcode changes wherever possible - and it's
trivially possible here.  Putting it all together, how about:

\def\text{\relax\ifmmode\else (write warning)\fi \hbox}

Finally, if I remember correctly the NFSS files use \text as a macro, so I
suspect this will break with them.  (Most annoying, that.)

							-- Jerry
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: allanl@cory.Berkeley.EDU (A. Chris Long  Jr.)
Subject: Intelligent tables
Summary: Is there a good table mode in LaTeX?
Keywords: table, latex
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 08:53:52 GMT

I just recently learned LaTeX, and I've been trying to make some
tables and am having some difficulty with formatting the text within a
table.

What I'm want is to be able to put in more text than will fit on one
line in a particular column of the table and have the text wrap to the
next line.  Here's an example, where each "cell" is separated
vertically and horizontally by a line (the lines are there just for
the example; I don't want lines in my table).

column 1 | column 2
---------+------------
short    | still short
---------+------------
much too | ditto
long     |
---------+------------
short    | another
         | long line
---------+------------

I'd like it to automatically adjust if I add or remove words to/from a
cell.  Can this be done in LaTeX?  I've RTFM (Lamport's book) until
I'm blue in the face.  I tried both tabbing and tabular environments,
but with no luck.  Am I just missing something?

Any help is appreciated.  Please respond by email.  If there's
interest I'd be happy to post a summary.  Thanks.

- Chris
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: KDAE@rusvm1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Ernst Willand)
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG Editor, Scientific-Word
Organization: Comp.Center (RUS) U of Stuttgart, FRG
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:29:04 GMT

Newsgroups: comp.text
From: KDAE@rusvm1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Ernst Willand)
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG editor for TeX
Organization: Comp.Center (RUS) U of Stuttgart, FRG
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:14:22 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.text
From: martinc@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Printers etc
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:18:54 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science

Okay, I'm resigned to buying a new and better printer.  Watching TeX
come out of my Panasonic 1124 is too-oo painful.

I've about concluded that a deskjet 500 is my best option.  (A smaller
HP laser printer costs twice as much and seems to give me the same raw
engine speed.)  However, I wonder ...

- can anyone tell me what print speed I can really expect on TeX output,
  preferably from emtex under MS DOS (I'm running a 25MHz 486).

- how much worse do things get if I use ghostscript?  (Assuming that
  there's a ghostscript setup for Desk Jets.)

- (Not a TeX question) Does anyone know what the comparitive cost/page
  for a Desk Jet vs a Laser Jet is?  (I can't figure out why people buy
  the smaller laser jets.)

Mail or post, either is fine.

Thanks for all responses,

--
		Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu
     Dept. of Computer Science/CB #3175 UNC-CH/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
	    3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
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      to resist the temptation to laugh uncontrollably.  Amen." -- Rob T
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc WANDSCHNEIDER)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Importing .sty files...?
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:31:22 GMT
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada



I wanted to put the following at the beginning of one of my LaTeX documents:

\documentstyle[11pt,fullpage]{article}
...
..
.
\input{psfig}


However, EmTeX for the PC doesn't have either of these facilities, and
generates the error message that goes something to the extent that it can't
find fullpage.sty and psfig.sty.

I was just wondering if I could copy these and all related files off the 
Sun4 we have here and use them with EmTeX at home...?

Anybody done this before...?

Is this question knobbish..?

Thanks a bunch!


Toodlepip!
Marc 'em.
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From: mik@id.dth.dk (Michael Kishinevsky (921231#JST))
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: WANTED: Converter from MS WORD for WINDOWS to Latex
Keywords: latex, ms word
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:23:59 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science

Does anybody know are there any converters from MS Word for 
Windows into Latex. Even not totally correct converters
can help a lot.

Many thanks in advance.



M.Kishinevsky
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: tuttle@crl.dec.com (Mark R. Tuttle)
Subject: Need help publishing newsletter/special edition in LaTeX
Organization: DEC Cambridge Research Lab
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:02:14 GMT

A colleague would like to publish a newsletter by distributing a Latex or
PostScript file electronically.  (Don't worry, there is no money-making
involved.)  The idea is that authors of articles in the newsletter would
prepare the articles in LaTeX using some style file, send their articles to
him via email, and he would assemble these articles into a newsletter using
the same style file or perhaps some compatible (embellished) style file.

Does anyone have any experience doing this?  

Can anyone send me examples of the style files they send to authors
and the style files they use to assemble the articles into a newsletter?
Can anyone send me tips or words of advice on how to make the mechanics
of collecting and assembling the articles into a newsletter as simple
as possible?

In the style file index produced by David Jones, I can find many examples of
style files distributed by journals to their authors, but I can't find
examples of the style files they use to assemble and publish their journals.

Thank you very much.
Mark

Mark R. Tuttle                                 tuttle@crl.dec.com
Cambridge, MA, USA                             (+1) 617-621-6635    
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: dmjones@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David M. Jones)
Subject: Re: eqnarray: displaystyle & textstyle : WHY??
Reply-To: dmjones@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David M. Jones)
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:22:19 GMT

In article <Bz24Jy.Ktu@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, ceblair@ux1 (Charles Blair) writes:

>   I found out by accident that eqnarray uses \textstyle for the
>middle of the three fields (the one between the &'s), \displaystyle
>for the others.  I'm curious as to the reason for this.

Presumably because the middle field of an eqnarray is "meant" to be
only a single relation character, and it was easier to just leave the
middle field in it's default mode rather than force a \displaystyle.
Of course, if you happen to use relations like $=_1$, you might notice
a difference.

David M. Jones                              "Trifles! Trifles light as air!"
dmjones@theory.lcs.mit.edu                              -- the Hystricide
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: dhosek@hmcvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Separating the users from the wizards
Organization: Quixote Digital Typography
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:42:42 PST

The hyphen question revealed another way to tell what class of
TeXie you are depending on your solution:
If you're a TeX user you say:
  \hbox{-} (or \mbox{-})
If you're a TeXpert you say:
  {\rm-}
  [It doesn't work but TeXpert's a bogus term anyway.]
If you're a TeXnician you say:
  \mathchar"002D
If you're a TeXacker you say:
  \mathchoice{\hbox{-}}{\hbox{-}}{\hbox{\sevenrm-}}{\hbox{\fiverm-}}
And if you're a TeX wizard you say:
  \mathchar28717
  [Why make the simple answer appear less than magical?]

-dh
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: gerd@intellektik.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Gerd Neugebauer)
Subject: Re: space of minus sign without printing minus sign?
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:02:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: TH Darmstadt

>>>>> On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:08:54 GMT, shen@athena.cs.uga.edu (Mingzuo Shen) said:

[...]

MS> The simple solution to me, without
MS> any complicated programming, is to simply \hskip the amount
MS> of horizontal space taken by the minus sign (within $ and $)
MS> but without actually printing the minus sign.

You can try the TeX command \phantom. It takes one argument and
produces a box with the dimensions of this argument. The argument
itself is not printed. Thus

\\	-1  \phantom{-}$\epsilon$
\\      \phantom{-}1  -$\epsilon$

should do the trick.

Note that you have to be carful to typeset the same thing inside the
phantom as outside. As we know there are different kinds of - around!
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Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: shen@athena.cs.uga.edu (Mingzuo Shen)
Subject: space of minus sign without printing minus sign?
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:08:54 GMT

Hi all,

    Often times I need to vertically align two symbols (or numbers)
which are different by a minus sign; e.g. 

        -1   \epsilon
         1  -\epsilon

I need the aligned vertical boxes inside a table, and \hfill
did not do the trick. The simple solution to me, without
any complicated programming, is to simply \hskip the amount
of horizontal space taken by the minus sign (within $ and $)
but without actually printing the minus sign.

    Thanks in advance for any help/pointers,

Mingzuo Shen

p.s.
  Also, sometimes I would like to vertically align
symbols, some of which has superscript and subscripts.
I would like to align them by the base, like

        a2         a2         a2
        b   -not-   b  -nor-  b
       -c          -c         -c

Again the simple solution I would imagine is to skip
the amount of horizontal space taken by the superscript
or subscript without printing them. All such symbols are
similar.
From: chuan@carson.u.washington.edu (Chuan Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: BibTex on Personal Computer: HELP PLEASE!
Date: 14 Dec 92 06:46:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec14.064635.14347
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1gh55qINNjbh@agate.berkeley.edu> ramezani@are.Berkeley.EDU (Cyrus A. Ramezani) writes:
>
>IS THERE AN INTERACTIVE PROGRAM (FOR PCs) THAT CREATES A BIBLIOGRAPHY FILE
>USABLE BY BIBTEX THAT I MAY GET FROM SOME FTP CITE?
>
>Some kind folks on the net have told me about programs for x-windows.
>Would you know of any thing that runs on a PC.

Here we go...

	oak.oakland.edu		      pub/msdos/tex
	wuarchive.wustl.edu           mirror/msdos/tex
	ftp.uu.net                    systems/simtel20/msdos/tex
	nic.funet.fi                  pub/msdos/Simtel20-mirror/tex
	src.doc.ic.ac.uk              pub/ibmpc/simtel20/tex
	nic.switch.ch                 mirror/msdos/tex
	archie.au                     micros/simtel-20/tex
	nctuccca.edu.tw               SIMTEL20/msdos/tex

The version I saw was 'bibdb10a.zip'.  I know for sure that
the program has been updated to something like 'bibdb12.zip'.
Try the oak.oakland.edu (141.210.10.117, I think) first since
I believe it is the most updated site.

Chuan Lee
U of Washington, Seattle.
From: <wb@sphunix.sph.jhu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Conversion between LaTeX and WordPerfect
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 11:14:42 -0500
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List


I have a need to be able to convert files between LaTeX and WordPerfect.
There is a program available to convert from WP to LaTeX, WP2LATEX.
However, I do not know of a program for going the other way.
Does anyone know of such a program?
Thank You

          Warren Bilker
          University of Pennsylvania
          School of Medicine
          Clinical Epidemiology Unit
          E-mail:  sphunix.sph.jhu.edu
                         or
                   BILKER@MSCF.MED.UPENN.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Subject: Parsing 
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:29:21 GMT
Summary: how can I parse a line read from a file
Keywords: parse

Hello.
Sorry, I can't solve this.
I have a file, actually a list of my students.
There are three items per line, say a b c.
I use  \read0 to \myline
I wish to parse \myline so that I can print the 3 fields with different
fonts.
Thanks in advance.
If the kind reader is interested,  a  is the name, b the first name, c an
identification number which I want printed in bar code under the full name
on a label.
I already did it once, lost the program, and can't reinvent. Getting old ;-)

Jacques Goldberg, goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il

Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: schrod@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Joachim Schrod)
Subject: Re: Bug in TeXBook
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:50:24 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: TU Darmstadt

In article <1992Dec14.144506.1@hmcvax.claremont.edu>, dhosek@hmcvax.claremont.edu writes:
> In article <1992Dec14.094755.2742@irfu.se>, bt@irfu.se (Bo Thide') writes:
> > In article <193@steiny.com> steiny@steiny.com (Don Steiny) writes:
> 
> >>	Does anyone know why exercise 8.7 in the TeXBook is repeated on
> >>pages 48 and 49?   
> 
> Probably a typo which was never fixed in the paperback printing
> plates. Barbara Beeton will likely let you know if you have money
> coming for spotting this.

No, I've reported it already at the Paris EuroTeX meeting.
    (barbara: It's in the map where you have also my slides on the
Golden Rules of Macro Coding. :-) :-)

Another problem I reported there: TeX now has three extensions per
default, not two (the new one is the language `whatsit's).

Another one, in plain.tex: \raggedright doesn't work if you're
switching fonts in between. (Interword spacing is wrong since it is
set to a hard value.) [The LaTeX approach is not much better, I can
show a lot of bad looking examples.]

Another one: On page 453 (oct '89 hardcover edition) \lefthyphenmin
and \righthyphenmin should be covered in the paragraph with the first
dangerous bend. Perhaps with a reference to the next page where they
are introduced in the second-to-last paragraph.


But to be honest: The first one -- the double-printing of excercise
8.7 -- is most probably the printer's fault. I don't expect to see
money for this. On the recto page of this sheet is the lion picture of
chapter 9 (that's the Roman Lion). I think that AW messed this up when
they didn't want to render the original again on slides.

--
Joachim

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	typographic excellence?				-- Peter Flynn
From: "Arthur Ogawa" <ogawa@orion.arc.nasa.gov>
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: TeX's memory
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 20:29:43 PST
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
X-Gateway-Source-Info: Mailing List

While barbara beetons comments are accurate, so is don hosek's.

TeX really does not perform garbage collection: if you fragment TeX's
memory, those unusable small areas will not be consolidated. This
is what's meant by  not doing garbage collection, I believe.

The implication is that you can create a situation in which TeX will
run out of mem, but the net mem in use would still have allowed
your operation (say a \def), if only it weren't fragmented.

Interestingly enough, there is nothing that prevents a TeX implementor
from garbage collection into TeX, and some TeX engines actually run
in an environment in which could allow garbage collection without
TeX's active participation.
h
As I recall, Don Knuth said that the reason garbage collection was not
built into TeX is because writing garbage collection  procedures is quite
error-prone, and he decided to avoid getting into that altogether.

Certainly, anyone who hasseriously thought out the implications of adding
garbage collection to TeX will realize what a complex task it is.

By the way, concerning \csnames: It is true that TeX never yields up
space in the hash table (where control sequence names, but not their meanings
are stored). It is interesting to note that the mere act of testing
whether a \csname is defined, as in

\ifx\foo\undefined

will make an entry for \foo in the hash table, and thereby use up additional
space for "multiletter control sequence names".

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From: nbeck@weber.ucsd.edu (Nathaniel Beck)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Help on mfjob (emtex)
Date: 20 Dec 1992 00:38:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu


I am trying to create a set of 600 dpi fonts for the hp4 using
mfjob386. Using the minimal.mfj as in the help document (with 300
changed to 600, also in modes and local), all goes fine, except that
the intermediate gf file (stored in mfj#.tmp) has a .300 extension,
so when gftopk is called, it asks "where is cmr10.600." After
reading the various mfjob.doc files, I can't figure out why the
intermediate file has the .300 extension.

Here is the minimal.mfj file I have been using

 
% minimal.mfj
%
{
font=cmr10;
mag=1;
mode=hplaser[600];
output=pk[c:\texfonts\pixel.lj\@Rrdpi];
}

and I have changed the 300 to 600 in modes and local (for the lj
section). 

This being my first attempt at metafoundry, I am lost. Can some kind
guru help me get found?

Thanks in advance (and sorry for the question which I am sure has a
very simple answer)

Neal


-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: peter@wiesel.cosy.sbg.ac.at (Peter Burgstaller)
Subject: tex3.14 on NeXT?
Organization: University of Salzburg / Austria
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:50:25 GMT

Hi folks!
I'm new to this group and so I don't know if this was asked before.
Is there a site where I can ftp the binaries of tex3.14 with all related
files for the NeXT workstation?
If it is so, please email.
THANKS in advance!
- Peter 8*)
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From: ron@math.tau.ac.il (Vinocourt Ron)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Bibtex Wizardry
Date: 20 Dec 1992 08:50:33 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hello (Bib)TeX'ers,

Could someone kindly help me out with the following questions?
 -- Please reply by followup to this newsgroup, or PREFERRABLY by e-mail...

(1) Is there a way to make bibtex produce a single full citation
inside the text of an article, rather than defer it to the list at
the end?

(2) I tend to include notes in my bib files, but does not always
want to have them print. E.g., I may not want them for list of refs
in a paper, but may want them for a seminar notes. Is there a way
to control the print of the 'note' field?

(3) Is there a way to avoid the "references" title produced
by the bibtex program? Replace it by something else?

Thanks a lot,

Ron Vinocourt  (ron@math.tau.ac.il)
From: dodd@mycenae.cchem.berkeley.edu (Lawrence R. Dodd)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: Concerning "What happened to byron.u.w
Date: 11 Dec 92 12:04:40
Organization: Dept of Chemical Engineering, Polytechnic Univ, NY, USA
Reply-To: dodd@roebling.poly.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: mycenae.cchem.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: cwmrob@rivm.nl's message of 11 Dec 92 12:59:36 GMT

>>>>> "Robert" == Robert Sanders <cwmrob@rivm.nl> writes:

  Robert> dodd@mycenae.cchem.berkeley.edu (Lawrence R. Dodd) writes:
> I still think it's the world's most difficult piece of software to install
> correctly.

  Robert> Really?
  Robert> When I decided to install (La)TeX on our Sun's I was (mentally) prepared for
  Robert> the worst, but it turned out to be fairly is to install.
  Robert> Actually the ftp-transfer took more time than the installing of the
  Robert> package itself. 
  Robert> The only thing that confused me was that there were 2 files with
  Robert> instructions, that didn't totally agree with each other (Although I think
  Robert> both of them were correct).
  Robert> What took a lot more time was the installing of all the extra packages
  Robert> and fonts that can be found on other ftp sites.

I guess I don't consider TeX installed until I can go from file, to display,
to paper. That is, web2c is fairly easy but isn't the end.  I think a roadmap
description should be put in the FAQ about describing what is needed and where
to get it.

Larry