HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kalex@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Ken Alexander)
Subject: Re: _Necronomicon_
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:07:09 GMT

In article <16br4lINN71c@network.ucsd.edu> erwin@bend.ucsd.edu (Sean Erwin) writes:
>Does UCLA have _Unaussprechliche Texte_ (or whatever it is called)  as well?

Lovecraft's mixture of real books and fictional books has caused a lot
of confusion.  The Golden Bough, for example, is a real anthropology book
about magic.  Most of the other books are just made up, and so no one
(including UCLA) has them.

The UCLA *library catalog*, on the other hand, contains lots of
fictional books mentioned in Lovecraft.  Obviously some library 
catalog administrator was having a bit too much fun wondering how many
wide-eyed weenies would get all excited upon finding his fake entries.

If you're on the internet, you can look them up yourself.  Do this:

   telnet melvyl.ucop.edu
   vt100
   <return>
   start cat com
   set libraries ucla

At this point, you can do your searching.  
Examples of title word searches that turn up interesting results:

   find tw necronomicon              (2 results: one real, one fake)
   find tw vermiis
   find tw unaussprechlichen

You can also search by personal author:

   find pa von junzt

Have fun.

Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.sf.marketplace
Subject: Robert Chambers
Date: 23 Aug 92 14:48:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: remus.Aug.23.10.48.32.1992.12166
Followup-To: alt.horror
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I've been reading _The King and Yellow_ and it's one of the best
horror books I've read in the past year (it's quite amazing how
timeless literature can be; _The King in Yellow_ was written
in 1895).  It apparently is somewhat difficult to obtain a copy
of this book, so those who are interested in seeing what Chambers
is like might want to try _A Fabulous Formless Darkness_, which
is a compilation of several short stories by various authors.
Does anyone have suggestions, other than Lovecraft and Poe,
for authors who write similar stories?

I'm also in the market for Chambers' _The Maker of Moons_.  Does
anyone have a copy they'd like to sell?
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618

"In a study of schoolboys, an educator discovered a correlation between size
 of feet and quality of handwriting.  The boys with the larger feet were,
 on the average, older."        Wallis & Roberts, _The Nature of Statistics_
From: pfeiffer@nmsu.edu (Joe Pfeiffer)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: _Necronomicon_ not inspired by _King in Yellow_
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:28:06 GMT
	<1992Aug10.173037.22308@europa.asd.contel.com>
Organization: NMSU Computer Science

In article <1992Aug10.173037.22308@europa.asd.contel.com> shick@europa.asd.contel.com (steve hick) writes:

   Anyone out there at UCLA or in LA willing to check this citation out?  John 
   Dee was a renowned bibliophile, occultist and orientalist, and I have seen a 
   bibliography of his personnal collection of MSS which indicates he was into 
   some wierd stuff.  I suspect though all this indicates is that Lovecraft was 
   an excellent researcher.

   Steve

   Author:        Hazred, Abdul.
   Title:         Al Azif, or the Necronomicon, translated from the Arab by Dr.
					John Dee, being the text recovered from antique lands, with
					some annotations by divers hands. London, John Dee, 1589.
   Description:   544 leaves illus. 26 cm.

   Subjects:      Spirit writings.
				  Irem (Ruins)
				  Saudi Arabia -- Description and travel.

   Other entries: Dee, John, 1527-1608.

   Call numbers:  UCLA  URL       BF 1598 H21aE

Somebody on the net did in fact check it out; the librarians deny they
have the book.  After all, having something like that imposes a duty
that they not allow the information out...

-Joe.
From: kuehnel@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Hans Kuehnel)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Question: Frankenstein, the true story?
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:00:26 GMT
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)

Hello everybody, 

please excuse my ingnorance, but: What is the name of the novel/tale
behind the Frankenstein movies? And is there a true story behind this
novel? Where did the real Frankenstein live, where did he die?
Was he german? What was his profession?
Any help is appreciated (mail it to kuehnel@physik.tu-muenchen.de) 
I'll summarize answers to the list 
 
Regards, 
 
--Hans (K"uhnel, +49-89-3209-3766)
From: rocker@csa.bu.edu (The Long Haired One)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Special Effect Question
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:41:33 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Boston University


I'm not sure if its appropriate to ask here, but I didnt see any FAQ posted
to this group to check. I'm looking for a good place to buy latex for
making masks. My apologies if this is the wrong group, and if it isnt could
someone point me to a more appropriate group or a FAQ(if there is one with
Latex info).

-Rocker
From: mikeg@luser.UUCP (Mike Gallenstein)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: What is "Horror" (was Re: Koontz, McCammon, Saul
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 14:25:57 EDT
Reply-To: mikeg@luser.UUCP
 <4688@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>
Distribution: world
Organization: Lunartronic Information Service
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 beta rel2

In article <4688@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, Laurel A Povazan writes:

> 
> I think Darin has a very good point. What _is_ horror, anyway? I think it's a
> question worthy of discussion. What do you guys think?
> 
> 				Laurel
> 						 

I think horror is anything that disrupts our "normal" lifes.  Humans are
creatures of pattern.  Disrupt it and you nine times out of ten some form of
fear will manifest itself.  This is a rather broad definition of horror, but
horror itself is broad.  One man's horror is another man's delight. :-)

Kind of goes along with the idea everyone has their own personal hell.  Good
horror finds a way to tap into that and take you to the edge.

     Mike G

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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: The Stand on ABC
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:43:22 GMT

In article <3050006@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> zornow@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Claudia Zornow) writes:
>
>There were some puzzling (to me) minor changes.  For example,
>a Milky Way bar in one version became a Snickers in the other
>version.

Perhaps SK no longer eats Milky Ways? :)

Also, Sergeant Buchan became Sergeant Peters... 

Of course, most of the minor changes made were to give it a 1990 atmosphere,
like having Batman and TM Ninja Turtles comics instead of Howard the Duck.

-- 
  "It begins here--an army--to bring sense to a world plagued by worse than
   thieves and murderers. This will be a good life... good enough."
             Bruce Wayne, "Batman: The Dark Knight Returns"
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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: ketter@mdd.comm.mot.com (Cindy Ketterling)
Subject: Re: The Stand
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:30:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.185534.9627@ra.oc.com> frazier@elf.etsu.edu (Jeff Frazier) writes:
>I can't say much about Lovecraft because I have never read him, but Poe is
>one of the worst writers I have ever had to read. Every one of his works
>are really boring. Steven King is much,much,much better than Poe IMO and The
>Stand is one of the best books I have ever read. I don't understand this
>fascination with Poe because if he was really any good they wouldn't make
>you read him in school. The only author I have ever had to read in school
>that was any good is Twain.   
>
Ever notice that sometimes, somebody comes along that you can't help
feeling sorry for?  I can't decide whether this guy's for real, or
whether he's just trying to be flame-bait, but either way, I hereby call
for a rousing round of pity for this poor heathen.

"Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww".

He's obviously never read "Anabel Lee" (sp?) or "The Fall of the House
Of Usher".  Brrrrrrrrr...... these have stuck in my mind for years as
being some of the creepier things I've ever read.  I have to say that,
when reading his works, I never knew what was going to happen next.  I
only wish I could say the same for some of King's books (no, this is 
not a King flame ... I'm just a little bit upset at the fact that I
just finished _The Running Man_ and I knew how it was going to end the
moment he got on the plane ... *sigh*).  

Anyway, I'd better turn off my torch and get back to work ... ;^)

- the Cypherkat

 - - - - - - -* Cypherkat * (ketter@mdd.comm.mot.com) *- - - - - - - -
 *     -->  I'll just stay right here, Sparcless but happy.  <--     *   
 * DISCLAIMER:  If Motorola and I shared the same opinions, they'd   *
 *   be bankrupt, but at least they'd have a killer stereo system!   *
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: A few more authors *FLAMES???????*
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:55:20 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug18.153011.18665@newssrv.edvz.univie.ac.at> J1300DAF@vm.univie.ac.at writes:
>
>Uhhh, sorry, but I didn't start any discussion on being obsessed. I think
>it was Owen. (I'm much too shy to call somebody obsessed|) Just for the
>records ...
>    - Oliver


Sorry, Oliver! I got you mixed up with Owen. 

			Laurel
  

Newsgroups: alt.cult-films,alt.horror
From: stocker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (William Stocker)
Subject: How is Basket Case 3?
Originator: stocker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 20:43:09 GMT

I am a fan ofthe first two Basket Case movies, and I saw
Basket Case 3 is out.  How does it measure up to the first two?

--Will

Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place)
Subject: Re: Red Dragon film
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:37:05 GMT

In article <PiqNPB4w165w@wuntvor.norman.ok.us>, ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven) writes...

} "Red Dragon" was made into a film released in the US as, "Manhunter," and
} was released theatrically to not very much excitement. After the "Silence
} of the Lambs," hysteria, it was shown on NBC as, "The Pursuit of Hannibal
} Lecter," for no apparent reason. (I thought Hannibal Lecter already WAS
} in prison. Why pursue him?)  OH well.. I guess they had to stick his name
} SOMEWHERE in the title.

You're parenthetical question might be justified if indeed that was the
(re-)title of the film, but it wasn't. The NBC broadcast of MANHUNTER was
titled RED DRAGON: THE CURSE OF HANNIBAL LECTER.

-- 

	"She's my radiation baby.
	 She's my teenage fallout girl."

--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
From: john@cs.vu.nl (Loo van de JGW)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Which Version of The Stand Should I Read
Date: 14 Aug 92 07:10:05 GMT

>>Can someone please recommond which version of _The Stand_ is
>>best? Does the longer version add much more to the story or
>>does it detract from it? Thanks. . . 

>The new version like the original, flowed pretty much nonstop.
>As I read the longer version, nothing popped out and announced
>itself as extraneous and therefore better off cut out. You
>don't really miss much in the shortened version, either.

>IMHO, the first one you find is the one you should read first!
>Neither suffers as a result of the other's presence.

The longer version of the Stand is definitely the better. Although,
if you read the original version first, and then the longer one you may
be in for a treat. New characters, more background. If you want to read
only one, go for the complete (and uncut) The Stand!

Just another 2 cents...

John (john@cs.vu.nl)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: joachim@betelgeusian.ee.up.ac.za (Louis Joubert)
Subject: Re: New horror writers
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:56:18
Organization: University of Pretoria, South Africa

In article <1992Aug12.174544.18410@newstand.syr.edu> dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell) writes:

	   Dan Simmons is great. Fuckin' great.
	   (at least from his short stories). I will have to explore the
	   novels, but from what I see, he is destined for greatness.

Yeah, but especially great in Hyperion/Fall of Hyperion. Although SF and not horror,
it is far better than Carrion Comfort.

Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: kmjoffe@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kenneth M. Joffe)
Subject: Re: Barker...Which one?
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 00:11:33 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Aug21.112145.4952@csc.ti.com> a909486@tiuk.ti.com writes:
>
>    On the subject of the best Barker novel, it has to be The Great and Secret Show.
>A classic by any standards. The only problem is, if you read that first you'll be
>disappointed by Weaveworld and the other stuff (which is brilliant but not as good as
>TGASS). I'm just starting Imajica and it looks like another great story
>
>
  Well, obviously, you are going to be getting alot of different
answers.  For example, I thought TGASS was not as good as
Weaveworld.  Guess the best way to go about deciding is to read
the back to see which one peaks your interest.


Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Subject: Re: The Stand
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:45:30 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <1992Aug12.102522.1807@bvc.edu>, frantz@bvc.edu writes:
|> Mike, I think the new, uncut version of The Stand simply adds to the story. 
|>  As far as I know in the new release there was nothing cut.  There are 
|> additions and strengthening of characters throughout.  One scene in 
|> particular that I thought did wonders for fleshing out Frannie Goldsmith's 
|> character is one in which she and her mother have an incredible exchange.  
|> Really paints Frannie's mother vividly as well as Frannie.  King also adds 
|> one of the craziest characters (Next to perhaps Annie Wilkes) I've ever 
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The nut case you are referring to is known as 

   "THE TRASH-CAN MAN" or Trashy.  He is very much like Annie Wilkes,
being somewhat criminally insane, and rejected by society.  He differs
from Annie Wilkes in the fact that he is able to become a part of the
society that Flagg builds in Las Vegas.  Annie, on the other hand, was
more connected to the "real world" because she was able to get away with
things over and over again.


Jared "Hide the matches" Dahl
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|(jdahl@rchland.ibm.com) |                                                |
| IBM, Rochester         |     -- Vice President Dan "the Man" Quayl(e)   |
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Opinions expressed are mine, not IBM's.
From: erwin@bend.ucsd.edu (Sean Erwin)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: _Necronomicon_
Date: 12 Aug 1992 20:08:53 GMT
Organization: Linguistics Department, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: bend.ucsd.edu

Does UCLA have _Unaussprechliche Texte_ (or whatever it is called)  as well?
---Sean

-- 
"I believe in the rights of people to own firearms....  Private guns makes
every person equal, no matter what/who he/she is."	---Lu Gang, post-
doctoral student in Physics at the University of Iowa, who shot and killed two
of his professors, a rival post-doc, two staff, and then himself in 1991.
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Stand
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:32:04 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


> The nut case you are referring to is known as 
> 
>    "THE TRASH-CAN MAN" or Trashy.  He is very much like Annie Wilkes,
> being somewhat criminally insane, and rejected by society.  He
> differs from Annie Wilkes in the fact that he is able to become a
> part of the society that Flagg builds in Las Vegas.  Annie, on the
> other hand, was more connected to the "real world" because she was
> able to get away with things over and over again.

Nah -- Trash Can Man was in the original version.  He's referring to The Kid,
who is only in the uncut version.  The Coors-drinking fruitcake.  A pretty
scary guy.

An my opinions re The Stand in general -- I didn't like it.  I only read
the uncut version, and it seemed like it just banged on and ON and ON,
and ended up nowhere.  The ending was a complete disappointment.  It seemed
like King was struggling to make us care about these characters for about
ten times as many pages as necessary, and then he hastily wraps up all these
plotlines at the end and finishes the book.  The plotting was just terrible.
King would have been better served to have taken all the ideas he had for
this book and written a bunch of short stories about them.  After reading
the massive bulk of The Stand I felt ripped off.  Not "ripped off", as in
money (hell, I ripped off the book!) but ripped off in the sense that I'd
spent FAR too much time reading the book, hoping I would be able to say it
was a good book once I was done.

On the whole, I can't stand Steven King.  I think he's popular because he's
one of the few horror writers around whose publisher runs off a lot of
copies of his books, but he is nothing more than a writer of supermarket
trash in my book.

My favorite horror writers are Lovecraft and Poe.  Barker is only a little
more acceptable than King, and he seems to have a fixation with bodily
functions.  Other "commercial" horror writers I haven't really bothered
with, because they seem just TOO cheesy.  I read "Swan Song" and got the
entertainment value out of it, but only after getting the impression I was
reading a comic book story.  All these horror books seem to be completely
lowballing the intelligence of the reader, as far as I'm concerned.
From: ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: "I am Legend" book 4
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 10:33:09 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK

     I haven' seen it yet.. I only have issue 1 and have read issue 2, but
haven't seen the other two.  Please let me know if you find them!  Fantaco is a
very good source for these kinds of things!


phluuke@maria.wustl.edu
(BTW, you can usually find a Fantaco ad in any Fangoria magazine0

--
ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven)
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From: ov@saturn.cs.swin.oz.au (Owen Veenstra)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: A few more authors
Date: 13 Aug 92 03:48:11 GMT
Organization: Swinburne Institute of Technology, Hawthorn, Victoria


      Unfortunately, it seems that a few people out there are obsessed with
  a *very* select number of authors (Koontz/King...), so I figure that I'll 
  liven things up with a few names I consider worth reading.

      ( A quick note : I sent something like this earlier, but it seems
  that the gremlins within the newsgroups are working overtime; apologies
  for a repeatative message ).

     Clarke Ashton Smith ( C.A. Smith ) was one that wrote horror pulp way
  way back.  If you can, definately pick up his work; it is well worth the
  read.  Apparently Necronomicon Press books have printed some of his stuff
  based from original manuscripts (my thanks here to mch@wimsey for his help),
  and Arkham House Press have released a hardcover of "A Rendezvous from 
  Averoigne".  I know that Neville-Spearman (Brit Pub Hosue) have released
  alot of his work in hardcover, but the real trick is finding it ...

      William Hope Hodgson has been compared to HPL ("A classic of the first
  water" quotes HPL on one of WH Hodgson's books).  Unfortantely, I haven't
  read any of his work, but certain whispers say it's OK to read.  This
  guy, too, apparently wrote a lot of stuff back when pulp mags were big.

      T.E.D. Klein ( also seen as TED Klein ) is claimed by some as a 
  "modern day HPL".  I would disagree with this; TED Klein's work is
  similiar in some ways, but the feel of his work is better, both in
  quality and in atmosphere.  I may get flamed for that, but hey! it's 
  my opinion.  I can give a complete listing of his work, if anyone
  out there really wants it (care of DAGON issue 18/19).  Of his works,
  I have read his "DARK GODS" book, a collection of novellas (serveral
  times), and heartily recommend it.

     Finally, I'll mension Thomas Ligotti who again is very much worth the
  effory of finding his stuff.  Apparently he's released another book after
  "Songs of a Dead Dreamer".  The only work of his that I've read is short
  fiction published here and there, but it's quality is *very* high.

     Well, enough works...  But again I'd appreciate to see some scratchings
  from others out there on worthwile authors, especially any newcomers to the
  genre.  You have my thanks in advance.

                                 Owen.
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Stand on ABC
Date: 15 Aug 92 01:23:09 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


> But first: King made a number of other 'topical' changes to the book.
> Larry's Datsun becomes a Nissan.  Madonna makes a musical appearance.
> There are others.  Many of them took me out of the story and annoyed
> me.

NO!  What annoyed me is that he DIDN'T make these changes.  Larry's car
did NOT become a Nissan, it was still a Datsun.  And yet the dates were
changed to coincide with the later release.  Clearly King was using
editing to make rehashed material look like new material so that he could
make a buck.

> Spolier follows:
> 
> ^L
> --MORE--(87%)
> 
> 
> Harold eats these candy bars.  Harold leaves a chocolate fingerprint
> in Frannie's diary.  Payday's don't have chocolate in them.  Hence
> the change.

Again, you're not quite right here.  Tha candy bars are not Snickers bars,
King specifically says they are chocolate Paydays.  There are Paydays, and
then there are chocolate Paydays.  They DO make Paydays with chocolate on
them.  One of the things that was supposed to make Harold seem "abnormal"
was that (as I believe someone remarked in the book) "Nobody eats 
chocolate Paydays".  On that last point, I'd have to agree.  They're pretty
nasty.
From: lemay@lorelei.Eng.Sun.COM (Laura "Treekiller" Lemay - IWTFM)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Laura's Stories
Keywords: Laura Lemay stories where?
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:20:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: lorelei

In article <1992Aug19.085850.10752@mullet.gu.uwa.edu.au> parker@mullet.gu.uwa.edu.au (John 'Cheshire' Parker) writes:
> Laura Lemay used to write some pretty damn good horror. Now, alas, it appears
> she has gone. If she(you) is(are) still writing, does anyone know where they
> are going? I would be interested in reading her further works.
> Theres always hope(?)


There is hope.  :-)


I'm still here.  And I'm still writing.  But I write slowly to begin with,
and recently I've been too busy at work to do much of anything once
I get home except lie on the couch and drool.

But I have some ideas in the works, and once I finish this current round of
deadlines things should get better.  I hope, I hope. 

Thanks for the compliments!



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