From: st1lv@rosie.uh.edu (McLeod, Stephen)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:54:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.145314.7483@auto-trol.com>, katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes...
>st1lv@rosie.uh.edu (McLeod, Stephen) writes:
>: >: 
>: >: I'm very well aware that a majority of pedophiles are not homosexuals but
>: >: when my child is 16 they are not a child but not an adult.  Since I believe 
>: >: that homosexuality is partially environment and since I wish to influence my
>: >: children to be straight, I feel uncomfortable for them to be around homosexuals.
>: > 
>: >Just because you believe something doesn't make it true. Why can't you believe
>: >us when we keep telling you that we were *NOT* influenced to be gay? In fact,
>: >just the opposite is true - society *HEAVILY* influences us to be straight.
>: >: 
>: >: Why?  Because when I was young, I *was* hit on by the homosexual who headed up
>: >: our door to door sales team.  
>: > 
>: >But you did not turn out to be gay? But if he had so much influence, why didn't
>: >you? Could it be <gasp> that you were *BORN* straight...
>: > 
>: >He *did* get into a relationship with one of my
>: >: friends (who was at the ripe old age of 14).  
>: > 
>: >and that your friend was *BORN* gay?  Nah, it must have been that that homosexual
>: >somehow wielded his influence over your friend but not you. 
>: 
>: Well, first you don't at all bothered by the fact that we were fourteen so part
>: of my argument (and my problem with my own children as they reach this age) is
>: obviously falling on deaf ears with you.
> 
>: As far as his being born gay, I'm sure you would say that he is leading a very
>: unhappy life having been forced into a marraige with a girl he claims to have
>: married for love and had a couple kids with.
>: 
>: > 
>: >I do want grandchildren and I
>: >: feel that the straight lifestyle will result in a happier life for my children
>: >: as well.  If they turn out to be gay, I won't try to reprogram then or stop
>: >: loving them but I feel that the environment in which they are raised can have an
>: >: effect on their orientation.  Is it 10%, 20%, 50%?  I don't know.
>: >: 
>: >What utter bullshit - can't you even see the contradiction in your own story?
>: > 
>: 
>: I don't see a contradiction.  I see percentages, modified by the things she
>: experiences.  Perhaps you had a 100% chance to be homosexual.  Maybe she has an
> 
>So, to prove that exposure to homosexuals causes one to become homosexual, you
>came up with the story about you and your friend having an encounter with a
>pedophile when you were both 14. Now you turn around and state that NEITHER of
>you are homosexual. So how did your exposure to this pedophile cause 
>homosexuality? The answer: it did not in either of you.
>
Jeez-- forget it.  You're right.  All homosexuals are saints and would *never*
ever be attracted to a sexually mature teenager like a straight person would.
You guys and ladies are perfect and infallible unlike straight people.  To you,
there is some magical aura that prevents sexual attraction to anyone under
the age of consent.  

And there were never any societies where homosexuality was more common than
10% of the population.

Only straights and pedophiles have sex with kids under 18-- never homosexuals.

All of our sexual kinks are determined in the womb.  There's even a gene for
attraction to leather.  Environment has zero effect.

There is no need to install the same kinds of protection for lesbians with 
girls as their is for men with young girls because they are never, ever, in
a million years attracted to the girls (unlike men) because their sexual drives
are somehow purer.  Ditto for homosexual males with young males.

And so on.  

Listen, either you *are* "normal" except your orientation is towards the same
sex or you are not.  You seem to be one of those people who are striving so
hard to advance your point that you are unwilling to conceed any negative point
however slight.  In this regard, you are 'normal' too I guess but it gets real
tiring when I find I'm talking to a *PERSON* like you be they religious, gay, 
or whatever affiliation.

Communication with you is a one way street so I'm getting off.

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Stephen McLeod       Bleh.  Sick a lot these days.  8 more weeks to go.
The Eternal? Student
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