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From: dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung)
Subject: Re: Crew Eccentricities
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 04:23:10 GMT

ekho.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
>matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>> In article <1992Aug6.003847.9517@wdl.loral.com>, trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim 
>> > Since I've been watching TNG, I've picked up on a number of
>> > little eccentricities that each crew member exhibits on a 
>> > pretty regular basis. My favorite is "The Picard Pull". Every
>> > time Cpt. Picard rises from a seated position, if he's wearing
>> > his uniform, he'll pull on the bottom of the tunic (jacket? top?)
>> > to make it nice and smooth.
>> > 
>> Jonathan Frakes, speaking at a convention in Denver, commented that they
>> cast called that the "Picard Maneuver," a play on the Picard Maneuver
>> mentioned in an episode.  They talked about making Patrick Stewart stop
>> doing it, but decided it was an interesting foible, so they left it in.
>> 
>> Kellie M-S
>
>I have just been reminded by my brother that the "Kirk Jerk" preceded the 
>"Picard Maneuver" by 24 years! :-)  So there! ;)

I have an interesting perspective on this.  First of all, a really
good book to read is "Manwatching" by Desmond Morris (of Naked Ape
fame) -- the behavioral scientist.  It describes all sorts of littl
things that people do that you may not have noticed.  Good tool for
writers and actors.

Second, I remember, a long long time ago, reading a science fiction story
(which I believe was written in the fifties, so was probably by one of
the "greats") about some time travelers.  In the future, time travel
becomes so easy (so the premise goes) that time travel "vacations" become
popular.  There are, of course, strict controls so that people do not
interfere with their own present, but it is still pouplar to, say,
visit the scene of the Kennedy assassination or some such.  (One can 
imagine that the entire populace of Dallas on that day were actually
made up of time travelers ... but I digress.)  Anyway, two travelers
go back in time to something like 1950s Florida -- and stay.  They
see it as a simpler time (hmmm... interesting that this brand of 
nostalgia was foreseen....) and prefer the idea of living there.  This
cannot, of course, be permitted, so an agent from their present is
dispatched to track them down.  

Trouble is, they've disguised themselves and "gone native", so he has
a hard time detecting htem.  The giveaway, however, is when he watched
them sit down at a cafe.  These people from the future were not used to
our clothing, and had not learned the habitual "pants pull" that many
people do before sitting down, so as not to have the trousers stretched
uncomfortably tight across the knees.

This isn't particularly relevant to anything, but I do think  of it
every time I see the "Picard maneuver"!  ;-)


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From: Charles Laine <Charles_Laine@CCIS.BAYLOR.EDU>
Subject: Re: STIV and the transtator
Organization: Baylor University
     <1992Aug14.141032.5289@sunova.ssc.gov> <6197@ucru2.ucr.edu>
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There have been many replies to my original post which have referred to
the 'transparent aluminum incident'.  Scotty basically handed over the
design for this material.  

However, I think the impact of leaving behind a phaser and communicator
is far greater than leaving behind transparent aluminum.  First of all,
Scotty did not actually give Plexicor the transparent aluminum.  He gave
them a formula... a blueprint from which to follow.  Second, transparent
aluminum (as far as we know) is not the key to every major piece of
technology in the 23rd century, but the transtator within the
communicator is.  

Also, somebody help me here.  I fail to see why Chekov would be carrying
a Klingon phaser like many have suggested.  Did Kirk and co. not have
their communicators and phasers when they stole the Enterprise in STIII?

The only conclusion I can draw is that the communicator and phaser was
dissected, studied, and analyzed after the E-crew's departure.  As a
whole unit, the phaser was non-functional, but its inner workings (high
tech microchips, etc) were still ok.  This served as a catalyst for a
massive research effort to develop more sophisticated defense
technologies, etc.  The net result was a massive advancement in
technology, which eventually led to warp drive, transporters, and all the
other Trek goodies.

Just some thoughts.  I guess its really just a movie, so it doesn't
really matter!

Charles Laine
Baylor University
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From: mowat@sword.eng.pyramid.com (Eric Mowat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: My experiences with Star Trek
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:39:44 GMT

bk1a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Bryan Michael Kearney) writes:

>I have some observations whcih i would like to bring up. I, along with
>many of my Fraternity brothers, am a fan of both TOS and THG.
						          ^^^

Hey, that's an idea for a new show: 
Star Trek: The Homey Generation

Homey the Clown for Captain! :->
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Subject: Who Might Play Sisco?
From: scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Sean C. Duncan, Idiot)
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:47:32 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

Well, as I post this, none of the cast (beyond Meany and Chao) for DS9
has made it to my ears, so I thought a little speculation as to who plays
Sisco might be in order (soon, they're going ot have to pin down the guy's
name -- I've seen it spelled Sisco, Sisko, Cisco, Cisko, etc.).

Anyway, here are my ideas:

	*  Lou Gossett, Jr. -- This still seems pretty likely.  He's riding
           the beginnings of a comeback wave w/ Diggstown and we know that
	   he'll do science-fiction and sf television (_Enemy_Mine_ and
	   Powers of Matthew Star).

	*  James Earl Jones -- This was probably just a rumor, so I won't
	   dwell on it other than to say that he'd make an amazing captain,
	   IMHO.

	*  ????I forget his name???? -- The actor from Revenge of the Nerds
	   and I'm Gonna Get You Sucka (he played Slade).  He's a familiar
	   face, playing in a million shows and movie,but doesn't have much
	   acting range, IMHO.

How 'bout some of the younger actors?

	*  Denzel Washington -- Well, he's done TV, but I think he's getting
	   to big for it to come back just yet.  I'd have to say no.

	*  Eddie Murphy -- Another I doubt. We all know that he is a huge
	   ST fan and was begging to have a role in STIV, but he wouldn't
	   be a regular.

	*  Wesley Snipes -- Too young, too good for ST.


Any more ideas?

Any *NEWS* yet?

Later,
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Reviews:  A nine-tenths farewell
Keywords: s'long
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 15:32:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.005736.19138@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>Howdy, folks.  
>Don't worry; the reviews will continue.  Come hell or high water, the spoiler 
>reviews aren't going anywhere.  (Hell, *I* enjoy them too much to do 
>otherwise!  :-) )  However, the odds are very strong that they'll end up 
>being written on the weekends rather than on Wednesdays when the show airs; I 
>simply won't have the time to spare during the week to write them.  
>
I don't particularly mind this bit, since I don't get to see the episodes
until the weekends anyway. Now I will be able to read your reviews instead
of having to skip over them until the weekend and sometimes lose the
review by then.

And perhaps this will give some people (couldn't be me, could it?) a chance
to write some "competition" reviews?  :)

						Steve


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From: rtwall@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD TODD WALL)
Subject: Re: Picard's mistake
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:02:25 GMT


	I agree with you Jeffery.  I wish a lot of these unresolved things
in Picard's past would finally get resolved.  However, in ST-TOS these wasn't
much of a policy to explore Kirk's past either.


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From: marselas@umbc5.umbc.edu (Mr. Herb Marselas; CMSC (UGRAD))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data from france in "Times Arrow"
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:26:53 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services


When the gentlemen refered to Data as a 'FRENCHMAN', they didn't mean he was
actually _from_ France.  A 'Frenchman' means that he is delicate, womanly, 
effeminate or homosexual.  Data may or may not have known the vernacular 
usage of the word

- mars
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From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: Who Might Play Sisco?
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 18:35:13 GMT

>In article <4898@sumax.seattleu.edu>, hirayama@sumax.seattleu.edu (Pat Hirayama) writes:
>> At CreationCon last weekend in Seattle, the clues they were handing
>> out were:
>> 
>> 	1.  the character will be played by a male, bald African-
>> 	    American actor.  It was implied that he has been on
>> 	    one other tv show and was successful in it.
>> 
>> 	2.  It is not Louis Gossett, Jr.  
>
>
	Kareem Abdul Jabar?  He was in Airplane!   8)  Sheesh, why does
he have to be bald?  You know, just because Picard is bald, Paramount thinks
...well, never mind.  I wanted to see Bill Cosby doing Cisco, though...  
BTW, someone mentioned Mr. T and he does fit the billing. 8)


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From: mattn@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Matt Nieberger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data's Obsession in "Cause and Effect"
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:18:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpfcso.123640023
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In rec.arts.startrek.current, rduff@arrisun3.uta.edu (Robert Duff) writes:

> Data sent himself the message "3", and consequently started making
> three happen all over the ship in the next loop.
> 
> What would stop that "subconscious suggestion" now?  Wouldn't Data
> continue to make three's show up everywhere:
> 
> 	Picard: "Distance to Reisa, Mr. Data"
> 	Data:   "3,333,333,333.333333 Kilometers, Sir!"
> 
> And so on...

jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley) replies:
> Well, one thing that would stop it is the fact that they realized he
> was sending himself a message, and then going in and blocking/fixing
> whatever was sending that message.
>
> Another thing is that subconscious acts once put into the conscious
> sometimes stop the acts. That's what psychiatrists/psychologists are
> for (hypnotism in particular).

cs106b16@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs106b16) replies:
> Of course not! When Data was making all those 3's appear he was acting, in
> what can best be described as, subconsciously. Since he is now aware he was
> doing so he can consciously stop doing it.

rubio@HAN.Paramax.COM (Stuart Rubio) replies:
> Actually, yes, he would be influenced whenever he let down his attention.
> But, more importantly, the particle accelerators placed under his hair
> would certainly have to be removed. After all, we have seen this area of
> his head before, and he did not have particle accelerators under his hair.

I guess that ALL of you fell asleep during the episode since the answer
to this question was IN the episode.  They discovered that certain waves
were being passed forward to the next loop(s). Data could (and does) 
receive these waves which act like a subconscious suggestion to him. 
Remember that Data did not (and could not) add any new equipment to 
receive the signal since he received it w/o knowing to prepare for it 
(each loop is reset in time to the beginning and all additions would be lost).
After breaking the loop ... the waves NO LONGER EXIST.  There were no
longer in the same place (or time) so they stopped being transmitted by
the previous loop (no previous loop to transmitt it). 

Further proof - the waves were also the "voices" that Bev heard and we
hear no mention of any more occurences of this action.

This should clear this matter up.

- Matt Nieberger

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From: flanigan@echo.gsfc.nasa.gov (Dennis Flanigan)
Subject: Re: BABYLON 5: Rest of the Casting, First day of filming
Organization: NASA GSFC Code 910.1, TRMM Ground Truth
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:10:36 GMT

In article <5661@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>, jsciv@vtucs.cc.vt.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Aug13.130011.13891@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
|> >In article <63877@cup.portal.com> Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com writes:
|> >
|> >I don't think that this continuing info update on B5 belongs on this
|> >group, anyway.  This is not rec.arts.babylon5.current.  This is really a
|> > 
|>
|> I disagree here.  I really think that this is the best place for updates 
|> of this kind.  This show is definitely not Trek, but it IS a sf tv show,
|> 

What about rec.arts.sf.tv ?  The B5 posts that we see in r.a.s.c are also
posted in that group as well.  Untill rec.arts.b5, maybe all the talk about
b5 should be done in that group.

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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge A. Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard's mistake
Date: 16 Aug 92 10:45:44 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <12AUG199210012201@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov> smneyln@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Michael Neylon) writes:
>In article <scrotch.713581231@milton>, scrotch@milton.u.washington.edu (Lou Ciphre) writes...

>Ah, no.  Im pretty sure that Picard never had any flight training.  Second,
>when the manuever was tried before, all 5 pilots died. Picard wasnt probably
>part of that group :)

No, but they could have been attempting it and didn't get caught.  If
that kid on Wes' team hadn't gotten killed, they wouldn't have gotten
caught either (probably).  It's quite possible that Picard was trying the
same thing.  He did seem to realize exactly what the manuver was, and,
more importantly, he realized it the moment Geordi told him that the
whatchamacallit valve was open.

>In any case, it NOTHING on the scale of what Wesley's team did.  Picards
>problems sounds very very minor compared to the trouble that the team got
>into....

I'm not so sure...  He seem *awful* grateful to that old man.  Yes,
his problems sound minor compared to what the team got into, but think
if they hadn't lost a member of the team.  They wouldn't have been
caught (probably).

> --------+ How do YOU spell 'potato'?  How 'bout 'lousy'? +----------
                                                   ^^^^^
Shouldn't this be 'lousily'?  Adverb, describing the verb 'spell'?
;-)


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From: Tom@freddyk.uucp (Thomas Langenback)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Season Premiere - 9/21 to 9/27
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 03:31:54 CDT
Distribution: world
Summary: What's your point?
Organization: Nightmares R Us

hef@vitro.com says:
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Yeah....and....?

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From: mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Cinefantastique - October 1992 Issue
Keywords: Season 6
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:27:06 GMT
Organization: AT&T



Just pick up Cinefantastique, October 1992 issue. 
Tons of info about Season 6.  A Season 5 episode
guide and lots of little insider articles about
ST.

The inside articles include:

	TNG: Reincarnating Denise Crosby (it was her idea!)

	ST: Rick Berman, Trek's New Great Bird

	TNG: Special Visual Effects

	TNG: Inside the Writing Staff

	ST: Next Generation's Piller of Strength (about Mike Piller)

	TNG: Star Trek's "Unification" (about filming U I&II)

	ST: The Making of "The First Duty"

	TNG: Shooting Star Trek

	ST: Two Wrights Don't Make a Wrong (about Herb Wright's return)

	TNG: Q-Where? (why no Season 5 Q episode)

	TNG: Data Entry (about Brent Spiner)

	ST: Cinematographer Marvin Rush

	TNG: Tackling Gay Rights

	ST: Fashion in the 24th Century (the actor's hate their costumes)

	ST: Deep Space Nine (Spin-off Series Preview)

	ST: Building for the Future (about set design)

	TNG: Quiet on the Set

	ST: 24th-Century Techs (anout Sternbach and Okuda)

	TNG: Building the U.S.S. Enterprise (miniature construction)

	TNG: Ensign Ro Laren

	ST: Scoring the Final Frontier

	TNG: Alien Makeups 



Some of the things culled from the articles :

	J. Frakes wanted a man cast in Soren's part for "The Outcast"

	Schwarzenegger was persused to star in the aborted Q episode
	(His payment was going to be a starship!)

	They get >3,000 spec scripts from fans every year

	The End of the Universe in "Where No Man Has Gone Before"
	was created in Legato's basement on a Saturday afternoon

	Nimoy only agreed to 5 days of filming of UI&II


There's a lot of other stuff but I'll post it if there is some
interest



	
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From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Strong Women
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:23:32 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <66118@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.175600.1165@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> pcp2g@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Gilligan) writes:
>>Tasha's *character* is excellent; the actor was bad. 
>>Shelby
>>The actor was good, too, and I would like to see her return.
>>Ro
>>The actor is a bit stiff, but that may wear off with time
>OK, what's the deal????
>Are women no longered referred to as *actress*????

	Yup.

>Is this the newest
>PC fad?

	Nope.

	Both Equity and SAG have been doing this for YEARS.


>What's going on?  Am I the last to know?

	I dunno.  Is this a straight line?

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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Measure of a Man
Date: 16 Aug 92 11:39:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug14.133658.22542@alw.nih.gov> singley@helix.nih.gov (Erick D. Singley) writes:
>  I missed the show, but I'd think a double standard is going on.

Exactly.  They even explicitly say so.  There's a scene in the episode
where Data and Picard are talking.  Picard is explaning to Data how he
and everyone else could benefit greatly if Data could be reproduced.  I
don't know the exact wording, but I'll give it a shot:

D:  Query.  Are not Mr. LaForge's eyes superior to human eyes?
P:  Yes, they are.
D:  Then why are not all human officers required to replace their eyes with
    implants?
P:  <no response>
D:  I see.  It is precisely because they are human.
P:  That will be all, Mr. Data.


This was, for me, one of the most powerful scenes in the episode.


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From: nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn)
Subject: Re: Season Premiere -- Que joins Starfleet 
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:40:28 GMT

In article <6066@npri6.npri.com> murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
writes:
>come on, everybody play along! just make up a goofy idea for the new 
>season (the more ludicrous, the better and forget about those silly 
>spoiler warnings!
>
>loads of fun!

O.K., I'll play.  What the heck, it's Friday

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