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From: f54713@sakura.kudpc.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Ellis Yan-Chee Lau)
Subject: Re: KanjiTalk and TaiwaneseTalk 7.0.1? Where?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Data Processing Center, Kyoto University, Kyoto, JAPAN
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:19:04 GMT

In article <jenkinsj-230792111503@tseng.taligent.com> jenkinsj@blowfish.taligent.com (John H. Jenkins) writes:

 >There is somebody else's hack that lets you do KanjiTalk under System 7;
 >I think it's called GomTalk and is available at the standard ftp sites. 
 >I don't use it myself, but I've heard good things about it.  

GomTalk is an excellent program that lets you use KanjiTalk 6.0.7 under
System 7. Many Japanese Macusers are fond of using it. After several
version-up, the newest version is GomTalk v.1.3b and it is quite stable.
The newest beta version supports the use of Japanese True Type fonts.
However, the v.1.3b is only available in Nifty-Serve (commercial network
in Japan which is connected with CompuServe). Since this is beta version,
the author refused to redistribute it in other networks. All you can get
from Internet ftp sites at the moment is v.1.2.

 
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From: rsnyder@atl.ge.com (Bob Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: System 7.1 : What is going to be in it?
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:19:44 GMT
Organization: GE Aerospace, Advanced Technology Labs

In article <1992Jul24.153441.11634@bernina.ethz.ch> wuertz@systech.tik.ethz.ch (Andreas Wuertz) writes:
>In article <nerm-200792103739@90.10.20.86> Dean Yu, nerm@apple.com writes:
>>Other than that, they're all seperate products.
>
>Yes, yes, yes! First you tell us the rpice for the hardware is so high
>because the system software is SO GOOD. Now, after releasing a System
>Version that was $100 to buy and had bad bugs in essential parts like the
>file system and banging us with lots of Tune-Ups which were
>'Bug-Corrects' really, you start splitting the system into tiny little
>parts and selling them to us for even higher prices!
>
>Listen, I won't take this much longer! Do go on with PowerPC, Pink and
>others! Become cross-platform because then many of us will start
>switching to a cheaper platform. You ARE good, but you are not the only

So why are you yelling at one of the few people from Apple who actually
monitors the groups and tries to help?  From an earlier post by bill coderre:

   Apple Computer, Inc, does not monitor the Usenet for complaints. It
   does not officially provide technical support on the Usenet. All it
   does is blithely overlook the fact that some of its employees read and
   post to the Usenet.
 
If you want to get anything done then contact the Apple Customer Assistance
Center.

Apple Customer Assistance Center
20525 Mariani Ave
Cupertino CA 95014
USA

[more from bill coderre]

     You may also call them at 1-800-776-2333 or 1-408-996-1010 (apple
     operator, ask to be transferred).

     Those people there are the ones officially empowered to respond to
     your complaints. They will keep track of your complaints, write you
     letters back, and even tell management when there are a lot of
     complaints about a particular problem.

     This same responsiveness does NOT extend to the Usenet. No one at
     Apple is entitled to reply to your complaints as "Apple Computer,
     Inc." No one keeps track of your complaints. No one tells management.

     The few Apple employees who do read and post here are deluded enough
     into thinking that they can help people with problems.

So lay off the Apple people here, and if you want to complain, do it where it
will do some good, okay?

Bob
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: stu5s11@bcrka280.bnr.ca (David Simmons 1342678)
Subject: Re: Sys 7 Startup disk fiasco
Reply-To: stu5s11@bnr.ca (David Simmons 1342678)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:17:06 GMT

If your in a lab with several computers, it often a good
idea to get a small harddrive (40Megs) that you can just carry
from computer to computer. You can put a full system on it
and just us the Startup CDEV to switch disks. It's also
handy for all kinds of systems maintanence.

I don't know how much Apple can do to make room on the
floppy for applications. There's only so much you can
take out before it does't work. They could strip
out some things like Truetype and others, but
then people would complain that this or the other
app wouldn't work.

There may be some help on the way in one of two ways.
Apple's working on a modular system, that is currently
being hyped amount Information Systems people.  With this you
may be able to strip out unneeded modules. The second is
Apple is starting to look at Very High Densinty Floppies.

There's actually a third semi-solution. If you type
Shift-Command-X-O on booting, it boots from a ROM disk.
You can then put your application on a floppy and use
it only for the floppy.

What I'd like to see is a special disk that you insert
and sllows you to boot of a network. Something like
UNIX workstations do, where there are diskless nodes
that contain no hard disk storage, and everything
is read of a network server.

----------------------------------------------------------
John (full of stupid ideas) Andrusiak

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: dowling@hubcap.clemson.edu (william a dowling)
Subject: Re: How to uninstall System 7?
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:12:50 GMT

harrisjw@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:

>How can I deinstall System 7?

>     Just trying to install 6.07 doesn't work.


>What machines have to run System 7?
> 
All powerbooks, Qudras, LCII and the Classic II.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: 7.0.1 + Tuner (+ Gemini accelerator) = CRASH?
From: brecher@husc8.harvard.edu (Jonathan Brecher)
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:49:19
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA

Here's a new one for me:

I found the necessity today to upgrade to 7.0.1 from 7.0 on my SE.  (Before 
everyone tells me that I get no benefit from such a move, let me assure you
that I do -- I want a hybrid English-Hebrew system, and you need 7.0.1 to
make the hybrid.  Nonetheless, I have the same problems on an unmodified
system.)  Now when I start up, I immediately crash with an "Unimplemented Trap"
message caused by System 7 Tuner.

I get the crash even with absolutely no other extensions or control panels.
I don't think anything is corrupted.  I crash both with a copy of the Tuner
that works fine with my 7.0 system and with a copy freshly installed from
a locked Tuneup installation disk.  I installed 7.0.1 from two completely
different (locked) sets of installation disks with the same result.

The only oddity is that I have a Total Systems' Gemini 030 accelerator, but
it works with zero compatibility problems under 7.0.  I am using version 2.2
of the GemStart control panel, but the Tuner loads (or doesn't) before any
extensions, anyway

I know that the obvious answer is to talk to Total Systems, and I will, next
week at MacWorld.  I was just wondering if anyone had any experience with 
this problem.

Email preferred, of course, but I will read it if you post, too.

					jonathan brecher
					brecher@husc.harvard.edu
From: stu5s11@bcrka280.bnr.ca (David Simmons 1342678)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Truetype in System 7?
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:25:48 GMT
Reply-To: stu5s11@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada

>>More specifically, if I take a truetype font and move it
>>into my system suitcase, will the system then start using it
>>immediately?
>
>The computeer can simulate being a computer much better than I can. 
Why don't 
>you ask it?
>			
>In this case, instead of asking someone else, take a true type font,
>put it in your system file, and then try to use it.  You will never
>learn *ANYTHING* by asking.>
>
>+C

I did try it. However I wasn't sure exactly what was happening.
I wanted to be sure that it was picking up the truetype font,
and not taking some bitmap instead and enlarging that.

Anyways, the answer to the question was, yes the Truetype
is a part of System 7 and all you have to do is drop a
font into the system suitcase for it to work.

Thanks to all the people who answered.

--------------------------------------------------------------
John Andrusiak
From: tgl+@cs.cmu.edu (Tom Lane)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Fixing trashed font suitcase?
Summary: Sys 7 Finder won't open suitcase
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:58:42 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

I have several font suitcase files that System 7.0 Finder refuses to
open (it claims they are damaged).  The files look perfectly OK to
Suitcase and Font Harmony, though.  Any ideas on what the problem
is and how I might fix it?

				TIA, tom lane
From: Jim.Curran@f30.n377.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Curran)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: RE: Dvorak Keyboard Questionaire
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:05:21 EDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:377/30 - MacWorks, Tampa Fl

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From: fzchen@othello.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: System 7.1 : What is going to be in it?
Date: 25 Jul 92 02:05:30 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <1992Jul24.182327.6515@news.acns.nwu.edu> lentz@reber.astro.nwu.edu (Robert A. Lentz) writes:
>In article <7893@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> sho@gibbs.physics.purdue.edu (Sho Kuwamoto) writes:
>	Separate products does not necessarily mean commercial, thoug
>	it can. Take the current example of QuickTime: it has not been
>	incorporated into the System (and is not planned to be). It is
>	available as a separate product as either just the basics for
>	free (such as on ftp.apple.com) or with the QuickTime Starter
>	Kit which serves a different purpose and offers a bit more.
>
>	I can see GX and AppleScript being offered in a basic form
>	as a separate, free product and as an enhanced commercial form
>	(for example with some of the new mastered fonts with GX, or
>	and AppleScript debugger with AppleScript.) OCE, well, I can
>	sort of see it as a separate product, but that offers problems
>	for what you do when you want/need to include it in the system
>	offering (though if the rumors are right of how it is a resource
>	hog, many people will not be too interested at first...)
>
C'mon now, everyone.  My speculation as to why Apple is choosing to 
release new modules as priced upgrades(including Quicktime, Remote
Access, and System 7) is for profit reasons.  I'm not saying this is
bad or good.  In the long run this could be beneficial to users.  Its
a well known fact that margins on the CPU's have been steadily diminishing.
Witness the PowerBook which is selling great but with really low profit
margins.  

Apple is trying to become a software company.  My prediction is that is
the first phase in a long range restructuring of the way Apple does 
business.  As of now, most upgrades to System software cost money.  
Microsoft does this and they make loads of money.  For us netters its
not that bad because we can FTP the files.  I see Apple eventually 
selling architecture (in the way of custom IC's with system roms) to 
hardware companies (Dell, Compaq??) and let them manufacture the boxes.

Meanwhile Apple will sell system software and the IC's.  In this way
they would retain control of the box and make higher margins on the 
software and concentrate on what Apple does best -- MAKE SOFTWARE!

Unfortunately for us home users, Apple makes the bulk of its money
selling to businesses.  Businesses (when they have money for capital
expenses) will buy upgrades to software which home users will balk at.

In the end, however, this could mean lower prices on future Macintosh
OS compatible computers, which may be better for all of us.

- MeatHead


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: bx341@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert E. Winston)
Subject: Re: Replacing the Trash Can in System 7?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 20:35:49 GMT


  >I am looking for a way to replace the trash can icon in
  >System 7.0.1. I had a nice recycle symbol in my System 6.0.7
  >computer, but when I upgraded to a color S7 machine, I could
  >not find the trash can icon in the Finder. Where is it? I am
  >familiar with the use of ResEdit, so how can I find and
  >replace the icon?


The trash icons in System 7 are -3984 (full) and -3993 (empty)
of the various icon resources (ICN#, icl8, etc.) in the System
file not the Finder.
There are some System 7 trash can replacements at Sumex:
/misc/trash-can-recycle-icl8.hqx
/misc/trash-can-replacement-1.hqx
/misc/trash-can-replacement-2.hq

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Pathworks
From: tmaehl@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:17:01 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

In article <1992Jul22.005504.5135@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, duncan@loris.cisab.indiana.edu (Shan Duncan) writes:
> 
> Does anyone know where I can find information on Pathworks?  If
> there is another group that would be more appropriate please let
> me know.   Apple is pushing Pathworks, and everyone else is pushing
> Novell.  I know there is more support for Novell but have not heard
> much about Pathworks.
> 
> 
> Thank you
> 
> 
> 

Try the group vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks.

Jonathan/tmaehl@vax1.umkc.edu
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Sticky Mouse Problem
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:26:56 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Jul14.074614.9290@ousrvr.oulu.fi>, juha@skynet.oulu.fi (Juha Pirttil{) writes:
> Bruce Templeton, bizarre@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:
> >I have been having problems with my mouse on my IIsi.  Often when I press the
> >mouse button down and release, the application will act like the button is 
> >still pressed.  The button does not physically stick down as far as I can tell,
> >leaving me to think that it is a software problem.  This happens in all 
> >applications and in the finder.
> >
> >Has anyone else experienced this?  Any idea whether it's hardware or
> software?
> >
> 
> I have the same problem in my IIfx.I am running the lastest possible system. 
> I have a friend who has a Classic running 6.0.7 and he has the same problem. 
> Because he has a different machine and system it must be a hardware problem 
> in the mouse.

For a year, I used the mouse that came with my machine (one of the 
terrible big-gray-ball mice) and NEVER had this problem.  Then I bought
a replacement mouse because it tracked better, and I have this problem
every ten minutes.  And I haven't changed any software.  Try switching
your mouse with somebody else's, and see if your problem doesn't just
go away.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: austinov@leland.stanford.edu (Andrey Ustinov)
Subject: Quadra 950 problems
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 01:07:19 GMT

Hello,
we just set up Quadra 950, and installed extra 16 MB to bank C.  When we
started it, it played a strange one chord sound, and then started up very
nicely.  It plays the same sound after every restart, but works properly,
and shows 24 MB of RAM, that are installed on it.  It's fine in general,
the only suspicious problem IMHO is the sound.  It's practically the same,
as when the memory is not installed properly, but it does not show sad mac
icon, like in other Macs.  So my question is - is Quadra 950 supposed to
play this sound on startup, or something is wrong with it?

2. Another problem is that something is wrong with the Network cdev. When I
tried to open it, it said, that "Network control panel is installed
improperly.
Please reinstall it, and restart your computer."  I did it, but it had the
same result. Quadra is not connected to network yet (the Apple Ethernet
port is incompatible with thick, or thin, or 10BaseT), but cdev has to open
nevertheless. Any advises or suggestions?

Please, help us, it's really urgent.

Please, e-mail me 24 hrs a day
Andrey.
austinov@leland.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: maynard@esther.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley)
Subject: Re: 25MHz vs. 16MHz
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:01:17 GMT

>Apple is very cautios i've found out.  Apple supposably got only 33MHz
>040s for its Quadra Line.  Only clocking the 700 and 900 at 25MHz for a
>couple of possible reasons:
>1. They wanted to 'play it safe'
>2. 25MHz [outside] already made it 4times faster than a ci, why go all
>the way at once?
>3. Price discrimination
>
>I don't know why they did it [A company is making OverDrive to clock em
>at 33], but it just goes back to Apple's insistence on high quality
>
>As for PCs, I've heard that Compaq is the best ibox and IBM is pretty
>good too.  But i wouldn't trade my 700 for any PC :-)

It was my understanding that often chips fail at higher speeds because they
become too hot. The implication is that if they are cooled externally they
can often be driven safely at higher speeds, so it can be legit to run them
in overdrive. The problem is that the cooling is sometimes not trivial. It
is possible to introduce steep temperature gradients in the chip that cause
it to die sooner (I guess you're promoting the migration of the dopants, or
maybe its just mechanical stress from expansion/contraction.)

Maynard Handley
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: khawkswo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kim D Hawksworth)
Subject: Re: Looking for print spooler for Imagewriter under system 7
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:58:34 GMT

In article <3480@sol.deakin.OZ.AU> evans@deakin.OZ.AU (Peter Evans) writes:

>Does anyone know of a shareware or public domain printer spooler that
>works with an imagewriter under system 7?

      None that I know of.  Used to be one called Multispool (I believe) but it
      only works with 6.xx.

>Are there commercial products that do this?

      SuperLaserSpool 3.0 from Fifth Generation.  About $100 mail order.


>Also, it is possible to get PrintMonitor to spool to an imagewriter?

       No.


>Thanks for assistance,
>Peter Evans

      Your welcome,
      Kim
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: samalone@athena.mit.edu (Stuart A. Malone)
Subject: Re: System 7.1 : What is going to be in it?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:33:06 GMT

>>This is a pretty liberal paraphrase.  OCE, GX, and AppleScript have nothing
>>to do with 7.1, aside from the fact that they all use 7.1 as the base system.
>>Other than that, they're all seperate products.

>Let me get this straight.  We're going to have to *pay* for
>these?

Calm down.  He never said *pay*, all he said was that they are separate
products.  This probably means that they are being developed by different teams
with different schedules, and may be released at different times.  QuickTime
was a separate product, and _it_ is available free from many sources.  For all
we know, the same may be true of OCE, QuickDraw GX, and AppleScript.  (Let's
hope.)

				--Stuart A. Malone
				samalone@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jcav@quads.uchicago.edu (JohnC)
Subject: Re: the TrueType Blues
Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:22:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.075508.41799@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> brnt@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>	I own a Mac LC and a Personal LW LS laser printer (TrueType).  I also

The Personal LaserWriter LS knows nothing about TrueType.  It accepts page
images from the host computer, not caring how they were composed.  (just
picking a nit)

>do a lot of work with Music Prose.  My problem is that MP only comes with
>screen fonts and type 1 Postscript fonts.  I recently had a truetype version of
>those fonts made so I could avoid bitmapping.  This neccessitated removing the
>resident screen fonts from the MP application so that it would use the
>TrueType fonts installed in the system.
>	HOWEVER, Music Prose will not run when the TrueType font is installed

The simplest solution would be to purchase Adobe Type Manager (ATM), which
allows you to use Type 1 fonts on the screen and on non-Postscript printers
like the LW LS.  Also, it is rumored that System 7.1 will have the built-in
ability to work with Type 1 fonts.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: derek@netcom.com (Derek LeLash)
Subject: Re: System 7.1 : What is going to be in it?
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 03:10:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Jul24.153441.11634@bernina.ethz.ch> wuertz@systech.tik.ethz.ch (Andreas Wuertz) writes:
>In article <nerm-200792103739@90.10.20.86> Dean Yu, nerm@apple.com writes:
>>Other than that, they're all seperate products.
>
>Listen, I won't take this much longer! Do go on with PowerPC, Pink and

...much deleted
>
>Please forgive me for yelling at you, but I'm getting more and more
>frustrated. Tell your bosses that they become more and more like IBM. The
>only thing (yet) missing are the clones. And if they go on like this I'll
>be the first one to buy a clone. Up to now I told everyone who said 'Macs
>are much too expensive': 'Yes, but the software is SO cheap'. I'll stop
>that for the moment. Peripherals are still within an acceptable price
>range, but CPUs and (system) software is getting far beyond the borders.
>
>So - now I'm relieved and lost at least SOME of my aggressions... ok now
>go to work and repackage that system 7.1 :-))) And have a nice day.
>
HEY!  Did he *say* they were going to *cost extra*??  Not in the post I read!
So cool your jets and wait for an *official* announcement, one way or another!
No one seems too upset that Quicktime or HyperCard, etc. are not actually
part of the System disk distribution (and hence probably considered
"separate products"...

Derek
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