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From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: PAD & Pros
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:56:26 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Dec23.192851.9602@news.columbia.edu> ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz) writes:
>In article <1992Dec23.161927.60419@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN) writes:
>>>This puts the comics writer who works in the big two mold in a hard
>>>place.  His audience is *not* the adult reader, and to follow the
>>          ^ (A SORT OF SEXIST STATEMENT, ISN'T IT?)
>
>It isn't.

To those of us who believe that the maculine and neuter third-person
singular pronoun are no longer acceptably spelled the same, it is.
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry)
Subject: Re: How does PAD write scripts for Marvel?
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 22:14:15 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

"SHOKK" Oporto said:

>Actually, PAD, if you did use a formula, I'd like to see it.  =)
>Then I could use it to crank out my own stories.  Lord knows I
>could use a dialogue-spicer.  (Dave Henry might attest to that =) )

Welcome back, Ernie!

Actually, I never said that I didn't like your dialogue. It was your
captions I had trouble with. You know... THIS IS A DARK CITY/A CITY OF
GRIM AND DARK PEOPLE/IT'S REALLY GRIM IN THIS CITY/HERE LIFE IS CHEAP AND SO
IS GRIT/BOY, IS THIS CITY GRIM/SEE THOSE PEOPLE OVER THERE? THEY'RE GRIM
TOO/THIS IS NOT A HAPPY PLACE/THIS IS NOT A CHEERFUL PLACE/THIS CITY IS JUST
PLAIN GRIM.

No Thing follow-up jokes necessary, thank you.

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From: cliffr@pyuxf.uucp (25347-roberts)
Subject: Valiant Issues
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 17:38:57 GMT

Since the thread on Rai #0 died so soon, I thought I would start
something new.  In the latest issues from Valiant, SIX new titles
were announced, as well as assorted other details.

The four they mentioned were: Rai and the Future Force
                              Turok, Dinosaur Hunter
                              Secret Weapons
                              Second Life of Dr. Mirage

The last two were un-named but planned.  Other projects include
an X-O Manowar #0 issue and a Bloodshot #0 issue.  In addition,
a Solar TPB , X-O TPB, and a Magnus TPB.

Anyone who has more information on these, please post them.
There doesn't seem to be enough talk about the current Valiant issues.
Enough Sandman already.

cliff

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: avella gorgio
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:36:18 GMT
Keywords: sandman annotation

In article <1992Dec21.005550.16480@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, gls@windmill.ATT.COM (part setter, part pointer, part chow) writes:
> > > >
> > > > Page 5 panel 2:  Gaje':  From context, the Romany word for outsider.
> > >	Oddly similar to the Japanese "gaijin".
> 
> I usually see it written "gajo"; Borrow in _Lavengro_ writes "gorgio." But
> remember that Romany has Indic roots.  Gajo and gaijin may be related after
> all. ...

Maybe, but probably not.  "Gaijin" is composed of two kanji:
- "gai" = foreign
- "jin" = person

It's probably just a coincidence.

[Sorry to be so retentive about this, but if we're discussing stuff for the
annotations, we might as well get it right!]
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From: MJV@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale)
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Subject: Re: Sam & Max
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 12:18:40 EST
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In article <1992Dec22.082843.27648@athena.mit.edu>, dml@athena.mit.edu (David M
LaMacchia) said:
>Sorry to sound clueless, but is this each issue of what?  The limited series?

 The Marvel '93 book listed it as 3 issues. So you can either look at it
as a limited series or a book that gets published 3 times a year.

>Can you give a small description of the t-shirt, and maybe an address to
>write to to order it?

 Actually, I just got my shirt, stickers and max pin from Capitol yesterday
(a friend got me the other pin at the San Diego con.) The shirt has Sam
& the little buddy charging out. Sam is holding a popcicle and Max has
a dead squirel(? can't quite tell) on a stick. Lots of fun!
 If, as your mit adress states, you are in Boston, stop by Million Year
Picnic and ask them if they ordered the shirt. Diamond just solicited for
the shirts and the orders were due last week. Capitol was 2 months up
on Diamond here (and Diamond didn't offer the stickers or pins, yet)
so maybe some other stores got them. Call around.

 Marshall
 mjv@brownvm.brown.edu
From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
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Subject: Re: SUPERMAN'S comeback
Date: 1 Jan 93 01:20:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <31DEC199218424712@udel.edu>, jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle) writes...
>In article <1992Dec31.183642.9276@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Arthur.E.LaMarche@dartmouth.edu (Arthur E. LaMarche) writes...
>>Superman's comeback
>> 
>>I heard a rumor that "Superman" would return as four clones.  I believe
>>that this would be even more lame then killing him in the first place. 
>>Has anyone else heard this rumor?  Has anyone heard anything more
>>substantial?  

THis could be interesting.  They could have each clone be a reincarnated
versions of the Four Marx Brothers, not including Gummo of course.


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From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Old collectors don't die...(was: Re: PAD & Pros)
Date: 23 Dec 1992 09:09:19 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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 >     Yeah, the crux of sales is aimed towards adolescents, but I
 > believe that there's a huge market being ignored for the
 > collectors of past generations. It seems that 'old' collectors can
 > do 1 of 2 things these days;
 > 
 >     1)  quit collecting all together
 >     2)  become a professional
 > 
 >     These don't seem like very good ways to promote comics as a
 > respectable medium to the general masses.  That's something I'm
 > sure most pros want.  At least Dave Sim's seems to want it bad
 > enough to organize a whole campaign for it and Marvel's trying to
 > market 'graphic novels' in Waldenbooks.  I think there's huge
 > potential in expanding the audience base of comics.  The baby boom
 > generation still loves cartoons and the eMpTyTV generation can
 > still love comics.  The industry seems to be ignoring a huge
 > profitable market here.

How can you say that?  Comics for "the more mature reader" is one of the
main thrusts that every single comic book publish is approaching right
now.  DC's entire Vertigo line is supposed to be an attempt to approach
this very market.  There are really a wealth of comic books geared
toward intelligent, mature readers -- or intelligent, immature readers
for that matter -- you just IGNORE the bulk of comics that come from
Marvel and DC, as if they were so much old newspaper, and look for the
good stuff.  Forums like this one are the perfect place for the
intelligent comics reader to find out about what's good.  Surely you can
name some comics you like???  Then how can you say that the only
solution for older comics fans is to get out of comics altogether?
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From: rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly)
Subject: Re: Punisher 2099 #1
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 20:52:57 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


Dani writes:
>rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly):
>>>Of all the 2099 titles, this appears to have the least to offer that's new.
>>>The milieu is the generic-cyberpunk of 2099, but everything else about
>>>the title is a new Frank Castle caressing a new generation of weapons.
>>>But without the restraint of the current Punisher titles.  
>>
>>You mean, he actually has sex with his weapons without a condom?
>
>I wouldn't be so crass and simplistic as to write his weapons off as
>phallic symbols -- but I will take the liberty of quoting from this issue:
>
>	"The Power Bat:  Variable density from rubber to titanium...
>	 I've never used the lower settings."
>
>Okay, maybe I *will* be crass and simplistic.

Oooooh!  I *HATE* playing the straight man in a joke!


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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Question about LSH #40
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 06:53:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.002326.4732@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:
>To make matters even worse, it was established back in the Secrets of the
>LSH mini-series (same one that revealed that Cham was Brande's kid) that
>Drake Burroughs was adopted with no known blood relatives.

It was also established that Triplicate Girl came from a planet named Cargg,
and that no Legionnare was inducted at the time that Kid Quantum supposedly
was.
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From: lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Sam & Max
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:08:36 GMT

In article <1h7ikvINNik5@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> MJV@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.082843.27648@athena.mit.edu>, dml@athena.mit.edu (David M
>LaMacchia) said:
>>Can you give a small description of the t-shirt, and maybe an address to
>>write to to order it?
>
> Actually, I just got my shirt, stickers and max pin from Capitol yesterday
>(a friend got me the other pin at the San Diego con.) The shirt has Sam
>& the little buddy charging out. Sam is holding a popcicle and Max has
>a dead squirel(? can't quite tell) on a stick. Lots of fun!

Weasel on a Stick! (Not to be confused with Mrs Murphy's Original Fried Stoat.)
It makes an appearance in one of the issues. The shirt also includes a fly with 
a Cheez-It and a rat stealing auto parts. Plus some other images from previous
issues. (What? No Orange Circus Peanuts?)

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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Question about LSH #40
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 07:48:11 EST

Have we ever seen Squire before?  Who is he?  And who is the 
yellow-skinned Dominator-linked woman with the mind control powers?

Is this *history* or new stuff entirely?

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Old collectors don't die...(was: Re: PAD & Pros)
Date: 24 Dec 1992 04:17:21 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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 > At some point in the recent past, people were discussing Marvel's
 > plans to saturate the market by putting out, what, about 200
 > monthly titles?  But isn't it unlikely that people who currently
 > buy Sandman, Cerebus, Doom Patrol, Bone, and so on are unlikely to
 > stop buying these titles to pick up more Marvel punch-em-inna-face
 > or to pick up the five newest Punisher titles?  A big part of the
 > market is the standard super-hero slugfest, but the titles aimed
 > for 'mature' readers will hopefully thrive regardless of Marvel's
 > output.

Well, the main rationale behind Marvel's attempt to saturate the market
is a bid for SHELF SPACE.  A comic book store is only so big, it only has
so much shelf space on which to display comics.  Marvel comics are the
best selling comics in the United States -- piss-poor sales for Marvels
are very good sales for independent books.  Thus, whether the title is
particularly spectacular or not, a dealer is mor likely to be sure to
stock the lates offerings from Marvel than he is to order the latest
issue of BONE.  Every comic Marvel can put on the shelf represents a
potential competitor being pushed aside.  Thus, the more comics Marvel
prints, whether or not the individual titles sell well, the greater
Marvel's market share becomes.  Market share of course meaning, that out
of all the comics sold, X company sells Y percent of them.  If Marvel
can eliminate the more obscure choices by pushing them right off the
shelves, then assuming the buying dollars stay in the market, then
Marvel's market share will increase.
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From: rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly)
Subject: Re: DC: Robin 3000
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 16:21:25 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Jim Drew writes:
>>Robin 3000 was dreck.  Don't buy it.  Don't borrow it.  And most
>>assuredly, don't read it.  
>
>Silly rabbit.  I'd have thought you could have figured out to not waste your
>time and money on it after just *one* issue.  I did.
>
>To me, the first issue had no feeling of being "part" of the Batman mythos;
>admittedly, I've avoided the Robin mini-series like the Bat-plague, but I
>would expect them to "feel" Batman-sh, which this did not.

Actually, this reminded me of the old War-of-the-Worlds characters that
P Craig Russell was so much a part of....

Now if I could only think of the characters name...  Even had a Graphic
Novel come out, too.

Darn.

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From: larocqu@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (JOHN LAROCQUE)
Subject: Comics Journal editor trashes Sandman!
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 03:01:04 GMT

Just in from the latest Cerebus for all you Gary Groth/Comics Journal fans
out there (Cerebus #165 letters page):

Kim Thomsom writes

"PS. I've read Sandman, but I don't much care for it. Is this a more
serious or less serious sin?"

Come to think about it, this magazine condemns Marvel, DC, Image, Valiant etc.
and where only Fantagraphics artists are true masters (soon to be one less
with the departure of Stan "Usagi Yojimbo" Sakai. Mirage lives!)

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 15:08:54 GMT

ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy) writes:
> eja@carr3.acpub.duke.edu (Eric Akawie) writes...
> 
> >What books do YOU want to read out of Lucien's Library.  Let's assume
> >he's got a comic book section and an AV department too.
> 
> comics:
> Zot! #37 onwards.  (by Scott McCloud)

- MAGE II, by Matt Wagner.
- The conclusion to the Helfer/Baker version of THE SHADOW.
- The complete TINTIN AND THE ALPHA-ART, by Herge.

> books:

That's a little hard for me.  Mr. Gaiman has already provided so many
good choices I can't think of better ones.

> movies:

- FANTASIA CONTINUED(title?), with the *complete* version of "Clair de Lune"
  and the planned Dali-Disney colaboration (is this rumor or fact?).
- Hayao Miyazaki's PIPPI LONGSTOCKINGS.
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From: bryan@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Bryan LittleField )
Subject: Re: Harbinger #0
Keywords: Valiant
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Date: 29 Dec 92 13:02:50 PST

In article <1992Dec29.201427.1042@eng.umd.edu> raj@eng.umd.edu (Rajesh Sivarajan) writes:
>Does anyone know what the difference is between the "standard"
>Harbinger #0 [included in the TPB] & the "deluxe" version [the
>sendaway issue using the coupons]?  Thanks in advance.
>

There are two differences I can think of ...

One; Of course the obvious, they each have a different cover..

Two; The send a-way version has printed on the front and back inside cover
     the story of how Harada started his illustrious carreer !!!!!
     The story is printed on six cards, the ones used in the send-away deal !!!! 

And just to note the send-away version a higher quality comic as well....

I think thats it but there could more that I missed ...

--Bryan

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From: mamcconnell@happy.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: LSH #40, Squires and pages....
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 2 Jan 93 10:26:12 MDT

In article <5q8qwB2w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca>, panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:
> 
>> Who's the green dude?  Pulsar Stargrave?
> 
> Yes, who's the green dude???
> 
J'onn J'onnz, Manhunter from Mars of course.  (Did you ever read
Superboy, starring the Legion of Super-Heroes #200?  He was at
Duo Damsel's and Bouncing Boy's wedding.)

Mark A McConnell
future historian
ancient teacher
something like that

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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 08:50:02 EST

cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner) writes:

> >>What books do YOU want to read out of Lucien's Library.  Let's assume
> >>he's got a comic book section and an AV department too.
> >comics:
> >Zot! #37 onwards.  (by Scott McCloud)
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - <thumbs up>

Oh, of course, of course!  

> Cerebus #300

This will come, in time.  I don't want to see it before that time, 
myself.  It probably wouldn't make a lot of sense without the intervening 
issues.

> Mage : The Hero Defined and Mage : The Hero Denied 

Yes!  My kingdom for another MAGE.  (But not if it means losing GRENDEL.)


Namaste,
Elizabeth


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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: New Warriors #32
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:34:45 GMT

I thought I'd anticipate a New Year's resolution to take a look at more
titles I haven't tried and several titles I dropped ages ago.  Since
the cover says "A new era of Warriors greatness begins here!", this
seemed like a good opportunity to give it a try.

New Warriors is a type-II team comic:  A team-up of several characters,
some of whom have considerable potential, and none of whom have the
following to maintain a solo title.  In this issue, however, one can
barely see the team members through the press of guest stars.  There's
Cloak, who seems to be the source of whatever Darkness is Rising, and
Dagger of course, Spider Man, Dr Strange, Archangel...

Actually, this was a lousy time to give the title a try, because so
much panel-space was devoted to introducing the cast that there wasn't
enough left for anything to happen.  In a way, though, it reminds me
of New Mutants in its better days:  It seems to be a title that stands
or falls on the degree to which the reader cares about the characters,
rather than on whatever story happens to be taking place.

-----
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From: ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: PAD & Pros
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:19:19 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>I'd say you're off in both directions.  First, my impression is that mot
>comics are bought by readers (mostly male) in their early teens.  Second,
>college age tends to be a lower bound on Usenet participation:  Many
>participants are significantly older.

    Do you have something substantial to back that up?  I read a few years
ago from several newspapers (particularly local), that the average age of a
comicbook reader is 20 years of age.  I'm inclined to believe that average may
be a bit higher these days.  There are many people that I know of that are
interested in comics and they're above 20.

    Why drag the average down when its got potential where it is or even
higher?

    Yeah, the crux of sales is aimed towards adolescents, but I believe that
there's a huge market being ignored for the collectors of past generations.
It seems that 'old' collectors can do 1 of 2 things these days;

    1)  quit collecting all together
    2)  become a professional

    These don't seem like very good ways to promote comics as a respectable
medium to the general masses.  That's something I'm sure most pros want.  At
least Dave Sim's seems to want it bad enough to organize a whole campaign for
it and Marvel's trying to market 'graphic novels' in Waldenbooks.  I think
there's huge potential in expanding the audience base of comics.  The baby
boom generation still loves cartoons and the eMpTyTV generation can still love
comics.  The industry seems to be ignoring a huge profitable market here.

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