HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall)
Subject: Re: Wong Halves... Doubled?
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:25:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.140625.810@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu> jfeldhouse@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu (Jim Feldhouse) writes:
>What exactly is Wong Halves(doubled)?
>I suspect it is the strategy of halves in Professional BlackJack
>except doubling all the counts to get rid of the halves...

Right.  Specifically this card counting system values the cards as follows:

  Cards:    2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10 Ace
  Values:   1   2   2   3   2   1   0  -1  -2  -2

In Professional Blackjack, Wong uses the above values divided by two.
The advantage he said was that the strategy tables are similar to
High-Low.  But by using half deck true counts instead of full deck
true counts, you can achieve this division by two without resorting
to nonintegers.

>Do I win a prize?

Yes!  You've won an all expenses paid trip to Vegas World!  Just call
(800) STUPACK to make your reservations and to give them $3000 for your
all expenses paid trip.

-- 
Michael Hall            \ Don't forget to have them put your name on the
NASA Ames Research Center\ Stratospheric Tower.
hall@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov \
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: ch2m@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Christopher  Houston)
Subject: Practice with Workware Software
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:06:34 GMT


Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: alvin@zany.mips.com (Alvin Oga)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Want to buy casino hardware!
Date: 26 Aug 1992 01:15:16 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: alvin@zany.mips.com (Alvin Oga)
NNTP-Posting-Host: zany.mips.com

In article <1992Aug20.133748.19060@nntp.hut.fi>, t33908p@puukko.hut.fi (Ari Erkki Siitonen) writes:
|> ---------------
|> 
|> Hi,
|> 
|> My friend is building his own private casino, and he asked me to find
|> out where he could get quality Black Jack and Roulette Tables.
|> If you have some extra ones you do not need hanging around, or you know
|> some manufacturers/dealers of the trade, please fax the information
|> to number +358-0251578.
|> 
|>                                     - Ari
|> ---------------

You can buy gaming equipment from the local Nevada casinos...or 
a couple of the Nevada companies that provide gaming equipment 
worldwide.

If your friend aren't familiar with these manufacturer's, or are
looking for a local sales rep, please let me know.

THERE ARE MANY CASINOS FOR SALE IN LAS VEGAS,
LAKE TAHOE AND RENO....and therefore many gaming
equipment for sale or being auctioned off.

Looking forward to your reply.

Thanx
alvin		alvin@mips.com
(408)988-8500
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: hack@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (Edmund Hack)
Subject: Re: Kelly w/fut.options & 95% penetration
Summary: Kelly is known to financial community
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:16:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.095503.325@doc.bmd.trw.com> mmord@doc.bmd.trw.com writes:
>Can you apply Kelly Criterion or log optimallity to futures options to
>determine how much you would best spend on each contract?  Of course
>some crude assumptions would have to be made about the expectation,
>variance, etc but is there some way to at least roughly apply these
> methods?
>
Yes, there are many books on investing that attempt to apply Kelly
methods to betting ... oops, investing in the stock market, futures,
etc.  I know for a fact that there is a guy that is grossing millions by
essentially using numerology and geometry to predict various markets and
selling his advice, so just about everything has been tried to predict
how to bet ... oops, position a bankroll ... oops, portfolio for maximal
return for a given risk level.
>
>Thanks and wish I'd made the BARGE.
>
I had a good time. The poker tourney was fun.

-- 
| Edmund Hack - Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co. - Houston, TX
| hack@aio.jsc.nasa.gov    SpokesPersonp(Me,or(NASA,LESC)) = NIL
| "There's BlackJack and Poker and the Roulette wheel ... Viva Las Vegas!"
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Time to gang up on Jacobs!!
In-reply-to: mzimmers@netcom.com's message of Thu, 03 Sep 92 03:36:24 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Date: 3 Sep 92 07:41:32

In article <m_ln-3c.mzimmers@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>
> OK kids, in case it's been lost on anyone --
>
> Steve Jacobs is now 2 for 2 *in his life* in hold 'em tourneys.

That bastard!  I'll get the rope, you bring the tar and feathers.

> He
> is most assuredly giggling to himself back home in Utah at the bunch
> of scrubs he is fortunate enough to associate with on the net, and
> in sleazy hotel rooms in LV.

Actually, there were some pretty talented "scrubs" at the final table
in the net tournament.  But they didn't stand a chance against the
*presto* hand (K-10 offsuit).

The important thing is that I beat Michael Hall :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
Made him ill, too!  Everything after that was just icing on the cake.

> I'm not looking forward to the gloating that will ensue if he pulls
> the hat trick.

Gloating?  Moi?

> What we need is totaw concentwation, er, collusion
> against the Stevester in the upcoming tourney.  I for one suggest
> 4 AM "wrong numbers" to his home to wear him down, artificial server
> messages sent to him to force bad plays, etc...  This is not for fun;
> it's all-out war.

Ha!  Do your worst... there are more Presto hands waiting for me in the
next tournament, and just when you think you've got some great cards
I'll be hanging in there against impossible odds, pulling the King-high
straight out of thin air!

> Oh yeah, congratulations, Steve.  (grr...)

Thanks!  Maybe I should retire now while I'm undefeated...


Nah!!
--
Steve Jacobs  ({bellcore,hplabs,uunet}!utah-cs!jacobs, jacobs@cs.utah.edu)
"Never teach a card counter to sing.  It wastes your time and gets the card
 counter barred."
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: shaver@tramp.Colorado.EDU (SHAVER SCOTT M)
Subject: % win expectation
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:02:51 GMT


This may seem like a weird question but here goes:  What percentage of
hands should you expect to win using basic strategy and assuming H17,DAS,
DOA, DAS, and RSA.  I am assuming the answer should be right around 50% or
just under.  Thanks in advance.

Scott Shaver
shaver@tramp.colorado.edu
From: erwin@bend.ucsd.edu (Sean Erwin)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: What football game would you bet?
Date: 1 Sep 1992 19:29:27 GMT
Organization: Linguistics Department, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: bend.ucsd.edu

In article <10269@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> kenb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger) writes:
>In article <la596vINNh3j@male.EBay.Sun.COM> arth@sudshead.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>> What one team would you bet on in the first week?
>>
>>The odds should be out tuesday.
>>The sacramento papers has the vikings favored by 1 over the packers
>>and I'm leaning toward the vikes.
>>Thanks
>>art
>
>
>The vikes look good to me too.
>

Watch out on this one.  Green Bay is murder on the Vikes, no matter how bad
Green Bay is doing and how good Minn is doing...  Is this in
Green Bay?  Be Careful...

---Sean


-- 
"I believe in the rights of people to own firearms....  Private guns makes
every person equal, no matter what/who he/she is."	---Lu Gang, post-
doctoral student in Physics at the University of Iowa, who shot and killed two
of his professors, a rival post-doc, two staff, and then himself in 1991.
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall)
Subject: Re: query on ace side count
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:01:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.095454.1@skcla.monsanto.com> karp@skcla.monsanto.com writes:

>I've heard mention of multi parameter counting many times and ace side counts
>in particular.  My question is:  How do you use the ace side count to calculate
>1) a. advantage ?

Depends on the particular counting system.

>   b. how large a bet should be made (kelly or otherwise) ?

Equivalent question, same answer.

>2) when you should take insurance ?

Depends on the particular counting system.

>This inquiring mind would like to know.

You're welcome.

Okay, I'd feel bad if I left it at that.  You take the number of excess
used aces ("excess" meaning how many more than average for that number
of cards seen), multiply this by the ace adjustment number and add it
to the main count.  The ace adjustment number is potentially different
for betting, playing, and insurance, though if this number is not zero
for at least one of these, then you've got a pretty weird counting
system.

From the file "hi-opt1.txt" in the rec.gambling archive at soda.berkeley.edu,
this is how you would adjust the main count for betting for Hi-Opt I, which
counts aces as 0 in the main count but should count them as -1 for betting:

|For example, suppose you
|have seen the first 1/4 deck, but have not seen any aces.  This
|means there is 1 excess remaining ace, since you normally expect
|to see one ace for every quarter deck (since there are four aces
|in a deck).  So, you would adjust the running count by +1 for betting
|purposes.

Note that 1 excess remaining ace is the same as -1 excess used aces,
and -1*-1=+1.

-- 
Michael Hall            \You're using Hi-Opt I + ace side count on an 8 deck
NASA Ames Research Center\shoe.  5.75 decks have been dealt out, you counted 21
hall@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov \aces, the main count is +4, quick what's your bet?
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: ch2m@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Christopher  Houston)
Subject: Quick Followup to Trip Report
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:32:49 GMT


Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Subject: Re: % win expectation
In-reply-to: shaver@tramp.Colorado.EDU's message of Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:02:51 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: usa
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:18:23

In article <1992Sep4.190251.22091@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> shaver@tramp.Colorado.EDU (SHAVER SCOTT M) writes:
>
>This may seem like a weird question but here goes:  What percentage of
>hands should you expect to win using basic strategy and assuming H17,DAS,
>DOA, DAS, and RSA.  I am assuming the answer should be right around 50% or
>just under.  Thanks in advance.

You should expect to win roughly 45%, push 8%, and lose 47%.  The numbers
may pe a percent or two different than this, but you push about 8% to 10%
of the time and you lose more often than you win.
--
Steve Jacobs  ({bellcore,hplabs,uunet}!utah-cs!jacobs, jacobs@cs.utah.edu)
"Be afraid.  Be very afraid.  I have K-10 offsuit...."
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Subject: Especially for Bharat Rao
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:36:44


Hey Bharat,

Your mailer seems to have lost track of you, says "user unknown" for
the address bharat@dante.cs.uiuc.edu (no, we didn't use that address,
we're using bharat@cs.uiuc.edu).

Ken and are I dividing up your chips so that the Hold'em Tourney can
continue....
--
Steve Jacobs  ({bellcore,hplabs,uunet}!utah-cs!jacobs, jacobs@cs.utah.edu)
"Never teach a card counter to sing.  It wastes your time and gets the card
 counter barred."
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Kelly w/fut.options & 95% penetration
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:59:35 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug26.171605.8062@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> hack@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (Edmund Hack) writes:

>In article <1992Aug26.095503.325@doc.bmd.trw.com> mmord@doc.bmd.trw.com writes:

>>Thanks and wish I'd made the BARGE.

>I had a good time. The poker tourney was fun.

Which did you enjoy more, Edmund -- finishing a strong second or
announcing to the busted vets that it was your very first time
playing hold 'em?
-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Dice Propositions
In-reply-to: lipman@physics.Berkeley.EDU's message of 25 Aug 1992 02:26:52 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Date: 25 Aug 92 11:02:30

In article <17c5pcINNl09@agate.berkeley.edu> lipman@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Everett Lipman) writes:
>
> I have recently been thinking about a common dice proposition in which 
> the victim is offered a wager that in repeated rolls of two dice, the
> numbers 6 and 8 will appear before two 7s.  The book THEORY OF GAMBLING
> by Epstein claims the probability of the 6 and 8 occurring before two 7s
> is .56 (page 150).  Scarne's NEW COMPLETE GUIDE TO GAMBLING claims the
> probability is 50/86, or .581 (page 827).  When I did the calculation,
> I got .54558.  I think Scarne's explanation is incorrect, and unfortunately
> Epstein does not give one.  Does anyone have any thoughts about this 
> problem?  

My calculation agrees with yours.  I suspect Epstein made a slight mistake
and Scarne is out to lunch.  Scarne is also out to lunch with blackjack,
so that make two strikes against Scarne.

> ps. Another interesting problem is to find the probability of throwing 
> each of 2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,11,12 before a single 7.  Any ideas? 
> I get 1 in 190.197, or .0052577.  Scarne gets 1 in 66 (page 825).

I haven't worked this one out, but I wouldn't put much faith in Scarne's
answer.  Scarne may have been a wizard with cards, but it appears that even
Bill Reid could kick his ass in a math contest.
--
Steve Jacobs  ({bellcore,hplabs,uunet}!utah-cs!jacobs, jacobs@cs.utah.edu)
"Never teach a card counter to sing.  It wastes your time and gets the card
 counter barred."
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: guido@island.COM (Guido Marx)
Subject: Re: What football game would you bet?
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.  San Rafael, Ca.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:06:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.192813.27340@samba.oit.unc.edu> David.Berger@bbs.oit.unc.edu (David Berger) writes:
>In article <10269@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> kenb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger) writes:
>>
>>I think the 49ers will beat the Giants and cover the spread too.
>>
>
>So what is the spread?
>

As of yesterday (9-3), the S.F. Chronicle had the Niners as 3 1/2 point
favorites.  I think that they get their line from Vegas.  I would suspect
that it would be lower on the East Coast.  The Niners looked real good
in pre-season, and with Jerry Rice back they look awesome.  However,
the Giants always play the Niners tough in the Meadowlands.  I think that 
I would take the Niners and give the 3 1/2, but I WOULDN'T bet the farm.

Guido

Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: swood@unixg.ubc.ca (Stephen Wood)
Subject: Re: Streakiness in BJ and Progressions
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 02:47:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.233624.26425@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> hall@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Hall) writes:
>In article <BtCvFM.K0M@news.udel.edu> jack@freezer.cns.udel.edu writes:
>>Sometime ago I read a book by Charles Einstein in which he discussed
>>bj streaks.  His claim, backed up by some trials (but I believe the 
>>nubmer was statistically insufficient) was that the average number
>>of wins in the game was slightly greater than what you'd expect
>>if the distribution of wins and losses were uniformily random...
>
>(I don't think you are describing this properly, but I know what you
>are getting at.)
[munch]

I will sometimes increase my bet by a factor of 1.3-1.5 after a couple
of consecutive wins, in situations where the count is neutral.
Continued winning is parlayed by continued increasing of the bet, by
the 1.3-1.5X factor.  In one recent session at my local Indian casino I
had a shoe where I had 12-14 consecutive wins, losing on the last hand
of the shoe.  The count oscillated in the +2 to -2 range.  This win
converted a losing session into a small win.  The dealer was happy,
since I had a chip for him on top of my stack (I guess I blackjacked
since that usually generates a modest tip) and kept giving him the chip
won and rebetting his chip.  He called the pit's attention to my big
win.  I was happy, since if they reviewed the video tape they would see
me stacking it up when winning with no regard for the count.  Since
this betting pattern resembles that for a hot shoe I think it has cover
potential.  Unfortunately such streaks are all too rare.
From: neil.black@uttsbbs.uucp (Neil Black)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: GAMBLING
Date: 23 Aug 92 18:39:00 GMT
Reply-To: neil.black@uttsbbs.uucp (Neil Black)
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591

FOR THOSE GOING TO RENO, NEVADA!!!!

Be sure to stop by the Cal Neva casino (right across from Harrah's) for
a mighty tasty $1.00 hot dog and imported beer (either Dos Equis or
Heineiken (sp )).  These dogs/brews are great for chowing down on while
watching the A's beat their opponent on the sports book televisions!
Can't beat this deal for a $1.00.

No, I don't work for the Cal Neva.
From: irwin@uvmark.uucp (Frank Irwin)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: If you missed the BARGE...
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:05:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Sep03.180549.6516
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

Since the best that America West could do when I called on the morning of
the BARGE and asked if I could get out to Vegas using Frequent Flyer Miles
was to put me on standby, I didn't get to make it.  (I thought I had other
plans for that weekend.)

For those of you in similar situations, may I suggest you join me in a
BINGE?  That's right, the Big In-November Gambling Extravaganza.  This
will be the 5th (or is it 6th?) Wilding Brothers (I was an honoray WB
a coupla years back) Annual Thanksgiving in Vegas, except that the *real*
Wilding Brothers won't be there.

Of course, BARGErs are welcome, as well, but we won't let jacobs in the
hold'em tournament.

-- 
 ============================================================================
 Frank Irwin                   | "Mike and Blair have the lowest ___________
 Vmark Software, Inc.          |  to ____________ ratio of all rec.gamblers."
 irwin%uvmark@merk.com         |     - You fill in the blanks.
From: jamesr@Autodesk.COM (James Rowell)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Am I a chump or WHAT?
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:09:58 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

I think I made a mistake by playing 2-4 Hold`em at the Oaks club in
Oakland last night (it was Sept. 1 or PAYDAY for lots of folks).

I'm getting better at playing this damn game, but I didn't have
a hope in hell of winning last night.  Some very suspicious situations
arose.  Several check raises on questionable hands in questionable
position, and one guy frequently raising under the gun (raising his blind)
before the flop, then dropping out immediately on the flop.
My conclusion (could be sour grapes) is that some players were in collusion.
I went expecting to find some loose players on payday naively neglecting
that cheaters look at it the same way.  I'm not discounting that
there were some very good players there too, but many of the
regulars I often see there weren't around.

I dropped "1 unit" without winning one hand.  I don't think I played
foolishly.  Oh well, why am I telling you guys?  I don't know, maybe
I'm looking for sympathy!  (Loser!!)

Later,
James.
From: jason@dcs.umd.edu (Jason Steinhorn)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Multi-Action Blackjack
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:08:20 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <BtKKD5.D0v@cup.hp.com> decot@cup.hp.com (Craig Shergold) writes:

>Is the basic strategy for this game the same as for ordinary blackjack?

>Some people appear to think you should stand on 16s, 15s, etc. against a
>face card, because the dealer has "three chances to bust", and is therefore
>likely to pay off at least some of the bets, against the risk of
>losing all the player's bets by busting at the beginning.
>Is this reasoning correct?

I saw this at Caesar's Palace in LV a couple weeks ago, and was thinking 
about this.  It would seem to me that basic strategy for this game would
not deviate from standard BJ.

Jason
jason@dcs.umd.edu
From: bobv@spike.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Bob von Buelow)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: slots
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:26:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

I just returned from my first trip to Las Vegas and THEN decided to
check out the net for gambling tips.  Oops.  Well after reading the
backlog I think an accurate summary is that the only way to win is
to be lucky, but there are lots of good ways to lose faster than
necessary.

Anywho, I put my share in the slots and was wondering how those puppies
work.  Mechanical? Random number generators?  Is it possible to hit
the (progressive) jackpot at any machine, or do I first have to 'find'
the right machine, and then be there at the right time?  In other words,
are they truly random (or at least as random as mechanics/electronics
makes possible).   In particular, at the Nevada Nickels slots, which
require 4 'NN', is the odds of hitting all four just X * X * X * X, where
X is the number of 'stops' on a wheel? (assuming one NN per wheel)
What is X typically?

Thanks.

Bob
--
Bob von Buelow             Mars Observer Planning and Sequencing Element
bobv@quarky.jpl.nasa.gov         - standard disclaimers apply -
From: dg10+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Goldreich)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: European No Hole BJ
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:09:59 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


As I mentioned in my previous post, the Toronto casino has European
No Hole Card BJ.  i.e. a dealer BJ takes all doubles and splits.
(Those of you that didn't read the previous post, don't start packing 
your bags for Toronto yet.  The casino is only open until labor day.)

I once saw the changes to basic strategy (probably on r.g) but I forgot
them.  Does anyone know what they are?  Do you ever put more money on
the table when the dealer has a 10 or A showing?

How much is your expectation hurt by this rule?

At the casino, the had some gambling magazine that they were giving out
for free (I forgot what it was called), that had a column by Arnold Snyder.

Snyder's column was about *Aruba* no hole BJ.  In this game, dealer BJ
takes all doubles and splits that bust, plus one more.  Sort of halfway
between American and European No Hole.

Snyder says the only strategy variation is not to split 8's against
10 or A.  Clearly, this will be true for European no-hole, but are there
more strategy variations?

Snyder says the cost of Aruba no hole is just .01%.
So, European no-hole must cost > .01%


An odd situation occured while I was playing.  The player to the right
of 3rd base was dealt an extra card (an Ace) accidentally.  The card
was offered to the 3rd base player who had a hard 18 (The dealer
had an Ace showing).  The third base player said he wanted to stand
and didn't take the Ace.

My first reaction was that the player was an idiot since he could have 
had a 19 instead of 18.  Then I realized that he did something smart.
The dealer had an Ace showing, and this being a no-hole game, the next
card is the dealer's.  Instead of a potential BJ, the dealer got stuck 
with 2 Aces for a soft 12.

Sounds to me like the 3rd base player made a smart move.  Any thoughts?

David
From: jason@dcs.umd.edu (Jason Steinhorn)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: What football game would you bet?
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:37:10 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep3.152528.9430@samba.oit.unc.edu> David.Berger@bbs.oit.unc.edu (David Berger) writes:

>In article <jason.30@dcs.umd.edu> jason@dcs.umd.edu (Jason Steinhorn) writes:

>>>So what is the spread?
>>
>>Giants, +2.5 points.
>>

>Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't +2.5 mean that the Giants are
>favored?  If so, and you think that the 49ers will win, how could they
>not cover the spread?

What I meant was that the Giant's were GETTING 2.5 points, therefore, they
are NOT favored.

Jason
jason@dcs.umd.edu