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From: buck@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Loren Buchanan)
Subject: Re: Photo CD
Followup-To: rec.video
Summary: this is rec.video, not rec.photo or alt.cd-rom
Keywords: PhotoCD S-Video
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:23:45 GMT

In article <lit15aINNe12@abyssinian.cs.utexas.edu> dhs@cs.utexas.edu (Douglas H. Steves) writes:
>In terms of resolution, actually they are in the same ball park *with respect
>to what is stored on the disc*. The disc actually contains 4 different images
>for each picture. One of these is the NTSC image (about VGA quality) while
>the best has 2000x3000 resolution (at 24 bits, I think). That's not quite
>as good as Kodachrome 64, but how many people use Kodachrome 64? 

Yep, this is a consumer product for the great unwashed masses.  The scanning
is done at 36 bits but is filtered down to 24 for storage.  Yes this does 
mean a loss in dynamic range.

>Now, if we had something to display it on, and if the prices to 
>transfer film to PhotoCD were reasonable ...

I expcet the prices to slowly drop (assuming that it slowly catches on).

>the image (a 35mm negative is 1.5:1 (36mm horizontal by 24mm vertical))
>by default - presumably with the more expensive model, you could uncrop it,
>but it's still annoying.

Then don't buy any of the Kodak PCD units.  Buy the Philips CD-I player which
does some squeezing to display the 1.5 aspect ration image on 1.33 aspect
ratio TV.

Also, this is rec.video, not rec.photo or alt.cd-rom.  To make sure this is
a video posting both the Philips and Kodak units have S-Video output.
Does anyone know of a unit that will have component (Betacam and/or RGB)
output?

B Cing U

Buck

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From: T.G.Nattress@newcastle.ac.uk (Graeme Nattress)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Auto-tracking => poor sound
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:23:58 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

pka@engin.umich.edu (Payman Khalili) writes:

>Hi folks,

>I posted a question about my Sony SLV 696HF some time ago and I got
>no response.  I was/am having problems with the stereo sound I get from
>the VCR when playing back pre-recorded tapes (i.e., commercially recorded
>tapes like movies).

>From time to time, I hear a glitch in the sound and the stereo sound
>momentarily becomes mono and back to stereo again.  This is really annoying.

>Well, I was fiddling around trying to find the problem and it seems
>like it may be due to the tracking adjustment.  When I manually adjusted
>the tracking, it seemed like the problem went away.  (I still have to
>do more experimenting to make sure.)

>So, it seems as if the auto-tracking mechanism is not setting the tracking
>right.  Is this a common problem on VCRs with auto-tracking?
>How does the VCR know what the "optimal tracking" adjustment is for a given
>tape?

>Is there a simple fix (such as tightening the film spools before inserting
>it in the VCR)?  On my old VCR (which had manual tracking), when movies were
>not tracking properly, I'd tighten the spools and all would be fine.

>Please respond to this post!

>-Payman

What is happening is that the auto-track latches onto the strongest video
signal which is not always the best audio signal.
The only cure I can think of is to do the tracking yourself of get a different
VCR.

I have these problems on my panasonic NVFS-88(b) but not on my
mitsubishi HS-M55(b)
Both are Hi-Fi Nicam recorders..

Graeme,


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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley)
Subject: Re: THX Spectral Sound
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:51:04 GMT

> Jeffry L. Johnson writes:
>
> In a previous article, Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley) says:
>
> >There is a new movie theatre here in Vancouver called the Caprice opening
> >soon. It claims to have 70mm with something called THX Spectral Sound,
> >promised to be the most brain-destroying sonic experience on earth. Does
> >anyone know what this is?
>
> Could this mean that the theatre is THX certified and they have a
> Dolby SR decoder (SR=Spectral Recording)?
>


Yeah, you're right, I forgot about Spectral Recording as a term by itself.

I will be very interested to see what kind of business this theatre does,
since it is an independent theatre. It is unlikely that it will get any of
the blockbuster movies, since they will go to the two chains Famous Players
and Cineplex Odeon. On the other hand, it is possible that it might pick up
some second-run movies (they also own a place down the street called the
Paradise, which has 3 movies for $2.50), in which case it would be worth it
to wait and see the movies with such a deluxe sound system.

Newsgroups: rec.video
From: John_Mansfield@mse.engin.umich.edu (John F. Mansfield)
Subject: Re: Photo CD
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:54:30 EST
Organization: North Campus EMAL, University of Michigan
Followup-To: rec.video

I think you are missing the point of PhotoCD, I dont think it is amied at
the really high end.  It is being advertised as a consumer product and as
such is aimed at people who are using 110 and 126 cameras!  Maybe a little
exaggeration here but I think that Kodak are looking to sell this system to
the general public who have very little idea how many pixels there are on a
Kodachrome slide!  Remember you are for the most part playing them back to
an NTSC TV system 525 lines at best! :-)
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: stud1b53@bnr.ca (Anshu Prasad)
Subject: Re: Why do you need an S-Video TV to get S-VHS resolution???????????????
Reply-To: stud1b53@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:37:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.132426.2834@panix.com>, schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster) writes:
|> 
|> Answer: you DON'T need S-video to achieve S-VHS resolution.
|> This is a myth. All S-video connectors allow you to do is to choose whether
|> you want to use the comb filter in your source or your monitor to separate
|> the luma and chroma.                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the luminance and chrominance are
recorded separately on VHS and SVHS source material.  Hence, the advantage in
using an S-Video connector is that you AVOID the composition and separation
that would occur if you used the composite (RCA) connectors.  The composition
and separation steps can (and do) degrade the quality of the video signal to
the extent that it is visible for SVHS source, but not for VHS (because of
VHS's limited bandwidth).  Michael's comments above only apply to composite
sources (like laser discs), right?

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From: OPCHARLY@UKCC.UKY.EDU ("Carroll, Charlie")
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: VIDEOTECH Digest V92 #1200
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:34:26 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Does the new issue of Video Review have a 800 number to call to subscribe?
If so I would like the number so I could call and ask about my 14 + issues
still on my old subscription!
From: elf@oldearth.Corp.Sun.COM (Ed.Fleschute@Corp)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: FOR SALE: Quasar *S-VHS* Camcorder  $800.00
Date: 14 Dec 1992 19:54:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Computer Corp.
Distribution: na
Reply-To: elf@oldearth.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: oldearth.corp.sun.com


Price Reduced - Was: $900.00   Now: $800.00


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	2 Batteries
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	Charger, Cables, ...



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							Home: (408)268-1125



Newsgroups: rec.video
From: clueless@bradley.edu (Mark Kristie)
Subject: Re: video toaster
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:46:28 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Distribution: rec
X-Posted-From: cs1.bradley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

robert winkler (robert.winkler@canrem.com) wrote:
: Hi Everybody!

: Could anyone tell me where I can get DETAILED informnation about
: NewTek's Video Toaster?

: I'd appreciate any Canadian or US address. Also, is there any such
: system for IBM?

Yeah, I believe NewTek makes a version of the Toaster for the IBM... For the
Mac too... What they do (this is completely serious) is sell you an Amiga 2000
with a Toaster in it, and some s/w for the IBM/Mac that controls the Toaster
in the Amiga... =)
From: jona@whservd.att.com (Jon M. Allingham)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: VCR head cleaners
Date: 20 Dec 92 00:05:42 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

I'm sure I've seen this discussion before, but I don't recall the answer.

What is the best way to clean the heads on a VCR? I have a Sony SLV-R5
S-VHS VCR and I think the heads may be getting a bit grungy from the
rental tapes, dust, etc. Are any of the commercial head cleaning
cassettes safe? (Super Source Video recommends something from Maxell,
a ``black-magnite (sp)'' head cleaning tape. Will that do anything for
me?

Thanks in advance.
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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: jailbird@next04wor.wam.umd.edu (serial killer)
Subject: problems with tv
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:00:54 GMT


Hey guys I have a problem with a Panasonic 13 inch Tv.  The problem is whe  
I turn it on it will work perfectly for 5 minutes then turn itself off.   
After I let it cool down for 30 minutes it will do the same thing.  I was  
just wondering if I could check this problem myself, like a fuse gone bad  
or should I take it to get it repaired.  The prblem is that they''ll  
probably charge me 70-80% of getting a new one.  So I don't mind doing a  
little tinkering myself if anone has any suggerstions.

thanks

Jailbird
From: hatalkar@mipos2.intel.com (Atul Hatalkar)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Any experience with the CameraSound, PA?
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:06:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA

Has anybody dealt with PA based Camera Sound ?

any positive/negative experiences ?

thanks.

Atul Hatalkar (hatalkar@mipos2.intel.com)
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: dyang@faline.bellcore.com (Danny Yang)
Subject: "Larger" plastic sleeves for laserdisc
Organization: Morristown Research and Engineering
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 14:26:44 GMT

-- 

I just got some plastic outer sleeves for laserdisc from 01 Laser & Video.
They fit nicely for single-disc titles, but it's quite an effert to "push"
2-disc titles into it. Can someone recommend a place to get 'larger' ones.
(larger enough to fit 2-disc titles, but not too loose, not too expensive)
Thanks.



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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: pka@engin.umich.edu (Payman Khalili)
Subject: Auto-tracking => poor sound
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 04:24:07 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

Hi folks, 

I posted a question about my Sony SLV 696HF some time ago and I got
no response.  I was/am having problems with the stereo sound I get from
the VCR when playing back pre-recorded tapes (i.e., commercially recorded
tapes like movies).

From time to time, I hear a glitch in the sound and the stereo sound 
momentarily becomes mono and back to stereo again.  This is really annoying.

Well, I was fiddling around trying to find the problem and it seems 
like it may be due to the tracking adjustment.  When I manually adjusted
the tracking, it seemed like the problem went away.  (I still have to 
do more experimenting to make sure.)

So, it seems as if the auto-tracking mechanism is not setting the tracking
right.  Is this a common problem on VCRs with auto-tracking?  
How does the VCR know what the "optimal tracking" adjustment is for a given
tape?  

Is there a simple fix (such as tightening the film spools before inserting
it in the VCR)?  On my old VCR (which had manual tracking), when movies were
not tracking properly, I'd tighten the spools and all would be fine.

Please respond to this post!

-Payman
From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Fish Called Wanda
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:42:40 GMT
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer)
Organization: The John Fluke Mfg. Co.  /a.k.a. The Gizmonics Institute/

In <7165@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> bates@spica.ucsb.edu (Andrew M. Bates,,,COMS,Graduate) writes:

>In article <1gbd47INN5i7@bigboote.WPI.EDU> boisvert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Brian Richard Boisvert) writes:
>>
>>	Also, MGM is releasing a new A Fish Called Wanda disc with a theatrical
>>trailer, chapter marks, and a new digital video transfer ($34.95).  Street date
>>is MARCH 30th.
>
>    Letterboxed??!?  Letterboxed??!! Letterboxed!?!?

From all accounts, nein.

                           "We're here, we're pissed and we're not going
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From: tominatr@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: LDs wanted!
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:56:43 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

LDs wanted:

Wolfen
Fast Times at Ridgemont High
Private School... For girls
An American Werewolf in London
Any Genesis or Phil Collins or Queen LDs

E-mail if you wish to sell.

       - Tom N.
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
From: porges@beretta.camb.inmet.com (Don Porges)
Subject: Re: New releases from LDN
Keywords: LDN
Organization: Intermetrics Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:59:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.224715.1893@inmet.camb.inmet.com> porges@beretta.camb.inmet.com (Don Porges (ME!)) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.225207.8489@tc.fluke.COM> moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer) writes:
>>
>>What's THE SWORD AND THE ROSE ABOUT, anyway?
>>
> -- to which I just replied that it's a Cinderella film.  That film, I
>now recall, is called THE SLIPPER AND THE ROSE -- so either the title
>is reported incorrectly, or it's something else altogether -- I'd bet
>the former.
>-- 

Oh, just ignore me.  THE SWORD AND THE ROSE turns out to be from the 
1950's, and has nothing to do with Cinderella.  THE SLIPPER AND ROSE
is from the mid-1970's, and is not a Disney film -- although it does
have songs by the Sherman brothers, so maybe I can claim partial credit.
I'll go away now.
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Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: The Prisoner
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:00:37 GMT

In article <BDJ.92Dec16081906@muon.med.ge.com> bdj@muon.med.ge.com (Brian D. Johnston) writes:
>
>Does anybody know where I can get the laserdisc copies of The Prisoner
>episodes 8 and 17 to complete a collection.

Try you local "Camelot" music store if you have one.  Locally
the outlets had a lot of the Prisoner in the $9.98 bin.   No
low volumes - but I think a good share of the ones you wanted
were there a couple of months ago.

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
From: porges@beretta.camb.inmet.com (Don Porges)
Subject: Re: New releases from LDN
Keywords: LDN
Organization: Intermetrics Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:47:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.225207.8489@tc.fluke.COM> moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer) writes:
>
>What's THE SWORD AND THE ROSE ABOUT, anyway?
>
 -- to which I just replied that it's a Cinderella film.  That film, I
now recall, is called THE SLIPPER AND THE ROSE -- so either the title
is reported incorrectly, or it's something else altogether -- I'd bet
the former.
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
From: kimp@rpi.edu (Phil Kim)
Subject: re: Spartacus LBX (MCA)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:28:20 GMT

In article <18421@mindlink.bc.ca> Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley) writes:
>I got my copy today. The color and image are fantastic, a great improvement
>over the previous P&S edition. However, why did they have to start the
>overture with this stupid picture of Kirk Douglas when he is chained to the
>rock at the beginning of the film? Talk about dumb! The P&S edition had a
>very nice poster of the film showing during the overture. I was also very
>disappointed in the side break at the end of side one. It occurs after the
>slaves escape and are running up the hill. The next scene (now the beginning
>of side two) is of "ROME"... This cut comes right in the middle of a musical
>cue! Idiots! There is plenty of extra room on side two to break the first
>side a little earlier. At least the break on the end of side three lets the
>music before the big battle scene fade out correctly. In the P&S version, the
>music faded out too soon, depriving us of a few seconds of Alex North's great
>score.

That is why I pay extra to buy the Criterion Collection.
Xref: sparky rec.video.releases:3873 rec.video:14758
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases,rec.video
Subject: LD's of, well, stuff?
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:09:44
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: panther.ai.mit.edu

Does this belong in rec.video.releases or rec.video?  I read both, so
please followup to the appropriate group....

I have a friend who really wants to be convinced of buying a laserdisc
player (yeah!).  To do so he wants to know that some of his particular
tastes can be fulfilled.  He knows about the ST:TOS and ST:TNG discs
available but he is unsure (and so am I) about the availability of
stuff like:  Voltron, Galaxy Rangers, Transformers, Thunder Cats and
Robotech (especially Robotech).

Does anyone know if these things are or will be available?

Thanks!
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From: colint@spider.co.uk (Colin Tinto)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: The Jungle Book
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:32:59 GMT
Followup-To: rec.video.releases
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK


I heard that The Jungle Book was going to be Disneys latest re-mastered
release over here, with probably a video release following on a few
months later...

Thats the usual method.

Col
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From: idathon@uts.uni-c.dk (Hans O. Nymand)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Director's cut
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:31:08 GMT
Organization: UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education

In <y!f2-qg@rpi.edu> winfia@lib401.its.rpi.edu (Anthony Edward Winfield) writes:

>ss@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:

>>>>>>> On 10 Dec 92 15:58:21 GMT, mdh@mlb.semi.harris.com (Mark Hanson) said:

>>mdh> What a scam that directors cut is!!!  If you have the current
>>mdh> Bladerunner, and want to see the directors cut, just turn off the
>>mdh> sound at the end where Harrison Ford is talking as they fly off
>>mdh> into the distance.

>>But ALL the voice overs are gone too. I never realized how distracting
>>they were until they were gone...

>	I am not sure if I should bring this up (I don't want to start a big 
>debate) but I kinda liked the voice overs.  It added an old gumshoe feel to 
> the
>movie.  It blended the old detective genre with that of the new cyberpunk.
>Don't get me wrong... I liked the Directors Cut but I don't think the voice 
>overs were as bad as most people think if you look at it that way.
>
>                                         winfia@rpi.edu

I went to see Blade Runner, The directors cut the other day, and I would have
to agree: Temoving the voice voer wasn't necessarily a smart move. I think we
can all sympathize with a notion like: "the voice overs were added so the
stupid general audiences would be able to follow the story", but somehow I feel
that this statement doesnt really apply to this movie. Removing the voice overs
certainly didnt make the story more coherent or logical, but worse: the movie
lost much of intimacy and its ability to convey a story, which made it more
boring and uninteresting.

Blade Runner is still a great movie, but I'm afraid all this directors cut
business was basically a way to make more money.

Henrik Sahlholt
(d01hs@vm2.uni-c.dk)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
From: cal@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Cal Lott)
Subject: Re: classical/Opera LDs?
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:19:06 GMT

davidric@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (david ricardo) writes:

>I am about to purchase a LaserDisk player partly for me and partly for my
>Dad. Since I am still in college, my collection will grow slowly but my
>father is extremely interested in LDs of operas and classical music. Exactly
>how large is the collection of these types of discs? I imagine the sound
>and audio quality must result in a very enjoyable viewing experience

>In one store I saw 10-15 of these discs but not exactly a bin-fulls. 
>Fans of classical/opera music LDs I would appreciate your response as to
>the diversity of these LDs.

	I am not an extremely knowledgeable fan of classical music, but
I do know that there is a good selection of operatic LD's available for
purchase.

	I would not be overly concerned, unless you or your father
simply must have versions by the smaller, less mainstream record labels.
I know that Deutsche Grammophon and London in particular have a fair-
sized collection of works.

>-- 
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>| University of Illinois          ...keep them mowing        |
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						-Cal
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