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From: petekunz@iiic.ethz.ch (Peter John Kunz)
Subject: Re: Smart Parts Barrel??????
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 03:52:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.135241.9068@philabs.philips.com> sew@philabs.philips.com (Scott E. Wakeman) writes:
>|> >>Heh, I suppose the dialogue at the department store would go something like
>|> >>this...
>|> >>me: I'm looking for some bath oil beads...
>|> >>salesperson: We have them in many sizes, what size do you need?
>|> >>me: Uhhhh...68 caliber...?
>|> >Hmm, think people would look at me strange if I walked into Victoria's Secret or
>|> >the Body Works and head straight for the bath oil beads section with a 16"
>|> >rifled barrel in my hands?  Unlike the mess created by broken paintballs you're
>|> >gun gets cleaner with every bad shot.  (^-^)
>|> 
>|> Imagine what the field would smell like if everyone was shooting those bath
>|> oil beads... "Gee, it doesn't smell like a forest anymore" ^_^
>|> 
>   so , instead of colors, we choose scents? 
>   We would all smell like the perfume section of Macys! peeeeeeeeeeee-uuuuuuuuuu
>

err, what's the cost factor? the only scents i saw were mor ethan a couple cents more than a pb....


cu
-pete


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From: cm601@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bradley Alexander Derrick)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Sheridan PGP
Date: 27 Dec 1992 22:57:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cm601@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bradley Alexander Derrick)
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	I have a couple of questions about Sheridan's PGP.  First off ---
it look slike a good stock gun, but how does it actually handle?  Can a
"Red Dot" sight be mounted on, can a C/A tank be mounted on it, and finally
what kind of warrenty does it have(1 year,3 months, 1 month)?

	

P.S.  Are their any playing fields in the Cleveland area.
P.P.S. Are their any teams that wanna take on five whipersnappers(not the
gun;) ) in a little capture the flag?

Alex (216)752-8834
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From: agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum)
Subject: Re: Paintballs w/o paint?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 01:01:11 GMT

In article <D91-POO.92Dec23211336@dront.nada.kth.se> d91-poo@dront.nada.kth.se
(Per-Ola Orvendal) writes:
>Sounds a bit absurd, but I'm actually looking for some "paintballs"
>that do *not* contain any paint, but that can be used by regular
>paintball guns.  When we play in small groups, we usually only regard
>a direct hit as a hit (and you *usually* feel those ones! ;-), and it
>*would* be nice to have balls that does not mess up your gun when
>something goes wrong...
>
>Anyone heard of anything like that?
>

I think you would find that they would be MUCH too light. Their range couldn't 
be far enough to snipe anyone, let alone through brush.

RE: New paint

I just talked to a guy that says he saw an advertisement for some new paint 
where they were close to one dollar a PIECE! They came with a tool to load 
them, because they had to be loaded from the front of the barrel, muzzle loader
style. I'm not sure about the promises the manufacturer has come up with, but 
it supposed have 175% range of a normal ball plus big time accuracy 
improvements.
I can't back his story up, but this paint + a Sniper II == Hozer Hell. =)

I don't see myself buying too much of this at that price if it comes out on the
market, but I'm sure picking  someone off at about 75 or 80 yards might be 
worth a few bucks. =)

Aaron
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From: hyerstay@cybermac.sadye.emba.uvm.edu (Jason Hyerstay)
Organization: Adrenaline Online, (802) 425-2332, a FirstClass system
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 10:35:49 EST
Subject: Re: Paintballs w/o paint?

What about clear, water filled paintballs, sinc the object was not to get too
messy...
-Jason

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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: Indoor Fields in NJ
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:14:37 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Dec21.223438.8095@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> bru@cc.bellcore.com writes:
>Does anyone know if there is in fact an indoor paintball field in
>Garfied , NJ ....... or anywhere else in the NJ/NY metro area, for that matter.
>
Yes, a new indoor field just open about a month ago.  This past Saturday I was
picking up some supplies at Sudden Impact and I saw the flyers for the new
field in NJ.  Has the same 2 hour format as the old Hackensack paintball.  I
don't have the address on hand, I thought I brought home the flyer...

In anycase, Oceanside Indoor Paintball at Oceanside Long Island is still
going strong.  You can reach them at (516) 766-3636.

-- 
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space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

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From: sew@philabs.philips.com (Scott E. Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Smart Parts Barrel??????
Originator: sew@condor
Reply-To: sew@philabs.philips.com (Scott E. Wakeman)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:52:41 GMT


In article <1992Dec18.182447.29900@netcom.com>, albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec18.001419.5662@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
|> >In article <1992Dec17.183241.515@netcom.com> albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku) writes:
|> >B
|> >>Heh, I suppose the dialogue at the department store would go something like
|> >>this...
|> >>
|> >>me: I'm looking for some bath oil beads...
|> >>salesperson: We have them in many sizes, what size do you need?
|> >>me: Uhhhh...68 caliber...?
|> >>
|> >Hmm, think people would look at me strange if I walked into Victoria's Secret or
|> >the Body Works and head straight for the bath oil beads section with a 16"
|> >rifled barrel in my hands?  Unlike the mess created by broken paintballs you're
|> >gun gets cleaner with every bad shot.  (^-^)
|> 
|> Imagine what the field would smell like if everyone was shooting those bath
|> oil beads... "Gee, it doesn't smell like a forest anymore" ^_^
|> 
|> -- 

   so , instead of colors, we choose scents? 

   We would all smell like the perfume section of Macys! peeeeeeeeeeee-uuuuuuuuuu

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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: Games in the Snow
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:41:47 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Dec23.134218.61470@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> dwj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID W. JONES) writes:
>Adventure World in New Milford, Pennsylvania, plays all year. I spoke
>to Mike last night and he said that they have been getting groups of
>about twenty five to come and play. They got a good dose of snow in
>the last few weeks. My club is planning a trip in January. They can
>accomodate large groups (717-465-7007).
>-- 
>
Adventure World is basically Wolf's Lair under new ownership and management.
I heard the new owners are anxious to upgrade and expand the operation.  IMHO
they have the best and most scenario fields in the entire United States.  I
whole heartedly reccomend a visit to Adventure World.  I feel secure with their
chrono procedures (now, if they could only install the radar chronos) and their
great paint and air prices makes playing almost affordable.

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From: aktan@mothra.syr.EDU (Andre Kian-An Tan)
Subject: Re: These dimented game variations!!!
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 02:42:04 EST

In article <1gt07kINNcmg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> crm4@po.CWRU.Edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
>
>	People, let us not forget that the game is CAPTURE THE
>FLAG!!!  Some of these games I am reading about are totally
>absurd. Like for example the games called Alien and Zombie in
>a previous article. In these games , the people who are "IT" are
>going to be getting hit a ridiculous number of times. Sounds
>VERY UNCOOL to me.

Sheeesh.... add a little spice into your diet...  Paintball is NOT just
Capture the flag.  Paintball is whatever is FUN for people... And if getting
hit multiple times is what pumps someone's 'nads, then let it be....

If you are serious about that Capture the flag comment, lemme tell you that
you've been playing at a pretty dull field..... (One that lacks Speedball!!
Ack.. I could never handle playing there... :} )

 - Andre

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From: hyerstay@cybermac.sadye.emba.uvm.edu (Jason Hyerstay)
Organization: Adrenaline Online, (802) 425-2332, a FirstClass system
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 10:05:43 EST
Subject: Re: Paintballs w/o paint?

JH> What about clear, water filled paintballs, since the object was not to
JH> get too messy...

EJ> Yeah, it will stop the goo. But if you break a ball, your next shot will
EJ> still spin. I don't think these new balls know the difference between
EJ> paint in the barrel or water in the barrel. Dunno, just my thought. :-)

What about a paintball filled with a micro-squeegie? That way if you break a
ball you really shoot the barrel clean! Who knows, you might even be able to
use them to wipe hits off of your teammates... :-)
-Jason

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From: laser@vpnet.chi.il.us (Paul Lamb)
Subject: Re: A New Paint
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:23:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.023205.17973@newstand.syr.edu> aktan@mothra.syr.EDU (Andre Kian-An Tan) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.161129.7281@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> tblackma@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Marauder) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec17.135554.18534@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> bru@chaucer.cc.bellcore.com writes:
>>>
>>>I was speaking to the folks at Air Gun Designs re barrel lengths
>>>and discovered that they (or someone they are very closely
>>>associated with) will be coming out with a new (revolutionary if
>>>it does what they say) type of paintball.  It will be 99% round and
>>>will NOT be affected by moisture.  They advertise it in the bottom
>>>of a fish bowl. 
>> 
>>I have talked with them and they said they werre working on a paintball
>>with a plastic biodegradable shell.  This gives them the ability to
>>make as perfect a paintball, because the shell will be the same thickness
>>and size in each case.  The shell will supposedly biodegrade from sunlight.
>>
>>
>
>    I believe you guys are talking about "Perfect Circle" paintballs...  I
>think that they're supposed to come out late next ye.....  Personally,
>I find it hard to believe that they won't be affected by moisture at all,
>but if even if they are slightly more resistant, I think that they would be
>a plus... especially for semi users and the problems with condensation they
>might run into.
>
> - Andre
>
>
>-- 
>Andre Tan ==== <aktan@rodan.acs.syr.edu>
>    "A flute without holes is not a flute, and a donut without
>		              a hole is a danish..." 
>    "Any fool can make a rule..." - Henry David Thoreau

Any information on how quickly these puppies will biodegrade??  I'd image that
with only sunlight as a catlyst (sp?) they would take a while to break down.
Just curious.

Paul
 
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From: sew@philabs.philips.com (Scott E. Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Games in the Snow
Originator: sew@condor
Reply-To: sew@philabs.philips.com (Scott E. Wakeman)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:54:52 GMT


In article <1992Dec23.134218.61470@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, dwj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID W. JONES) writes:
|> In article <18802@mindlink.bc.ca>, Gary_Ponting@mindlink.bc.ca (Gary Ponting) wr
|> ites:
|> >Has anybody got any fields near them that provide games in the snow. I would
|> >imagine they would be quite entertaining providing that the proper camo was
|> >available. I can see the first game where you come across some fresh tracks
|> >and start stalking your enemy. I think they would be quite entertaining.
|> >
|> >Later<>Gary
|> >
|> Adventure World in New Milford, Pennsylvania, plays all year. I spoke
|> to Mike last night and he said that they have been getting groups of
|> about twenty five to come and play. They got a good dose of snow in
|> the last few weeks. My club is planning a trip in January. They can
|> accomodate large groups (717-465-7007).
|> -- 
|> 
|> David W. Jones
|> Network Coordinator/Telecommunications
|> Lehigh University (215-758-6990)


   I heard they got almost 18" of snow last weekend. I got about 12"
 the same day. I had a game set for the day after it snowed, but the
 field operator called and postponed it because they got twice as much
 as I did. Makes for some tough running!


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From: d91-poo@dront.nada.kth.se (Per-Ola Orvendal)
Subject: Paintballs w/o paint?
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:13:36 GMT

Sounds a bit absurd, but I'm actually looking for some "paintballs"
that do *not* contain any paint, but that can be used by regular
paintball guns.  When we play in small groups, we usually only regard
a direct hit as a hit (and you *usually* feel those ones! ;-), and it
*would* be nice to have balls that does not mess up your gun when 
something goes wrong...

Anyone heard of anything like that?

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From: tegray@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Thomas E. Gray)
Subject: Re: Paintballs w/o paint?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:17:25 GMT

In article <D91-POO.92Dec31104505@dront.nada.kth.se> d91-poo@dront.nada.kth.se (Per-Ola Orvendal) writes:
>In article <ejimenez.301p@terapin.com> ejimenez@terapin.com (Eduardo Jimenez)
>writes:
>
>   Jason Hyerstay writes:
>
>   >What about clear, water filled paintballs, sinc the object was not to get
>   >too messy...
>
>   Yeah, it will stop the goo. But if you break a ball, your next shot will
>   still spin. I don't think these new balls know the difference between paint
>   in the barrel or water in the barrel. Dunno, just my thought. :-)
>
>Well, the whole thing would be that the pain(t)balls WOULDN'T break - the
>shell would be too tough for that.  What's actually IN the balls wouldn't
>really matter then, would it?  Naturally, it's good if the balls are
>bio-degradable and all that stuff too...

I suggest that you shoot people with things that break, though. Many
projectiles can be launched from a paintball gun (someone, in jest,
suggested wooden spheres), but most would cause too many injuries for
my comfort. 

To add to the absurdity I suggest paintballs filled with a fine soap
powder. This would have roughly the same mass as the water or paint
filled ball, would not , stain, would be safe for the environment, and
the detritus would be blown clear in the next shot if the integrity of
the "saopball" were violated in the barrell. 

Come to think of it, these products might have a number of other
household uses. 

Hmmmph!


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From: gt1158@terapin.com (Guillermo Talamantes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Sheridan PGP
Date: 27 Dec 92 19:46:15 PST
Organization: BBS




>       I have a couple of questions about Sheridan's PGP.  First off ---
>it look slike a good stock gun, but how does it actually handle?  Can a
>"Red Dot" sight be mounted on, can a C/A tank be mounted on it, and finally
>what kind of warrenty does it have(1 year,3 months, 1 month)?
>


Well, as  former PGP owner, I can only recomend this gun as a side-arm. As a
side-arm, it's GREAT!!!  It is a highly-accurate compact stock-gun. It's very
durrable but time-cunsumming to clean. It has a 4"  under-the-barrel pump with
a cocking rod leading to the bolt in the back. Since it has a horizontal 10rd.
feed-tube, installing a "Red-Dot" or other sight is not possible without some
special adapter. As for C/A, you have teo choices... 1) send it to P-B game
supplies along with $50 to give it a factory-style C/A (like the Piranha LB)
2) Buy a Co2 adapter, hose, and stock w/ rings which you'll be able to do
yourself, but may cost more and will add even more weight to the gun. And as
for a warrantee, i believe its 3 mo.'s (90 days). If you're looking into this
gun as a `first gun', I wouldn't recomend it. Sure, a lot of people swear by
them, and like myself, grew up with one. But now, there is quite a variety of
competetive guns for about the same $$. Errr, why not look into a Trracer?
Cheap, easy to clean and maintain, easily upgraded, sight-rail for `Red-Dot',
C/A ready, Auto-trigger and I think (not sure) that it comes with a 1 yr.
warrantee. Well, Later!!

May the Force be with you...



        KEEP
              THOSE
                     BALLS
                            FLYING!!!



LONG LIVE THE PRO/AM!!!!!
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From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: OAKLAND, CA  Indoor P-B!!!!
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:52:38 GMT

In article <gt1158.2yyk@terapin.com> gt1158@terapin.com (Guillermo Talamantes) writes:
>     A good friend and I have have been seriously considering opening an
>indoor 
>Paintball Field in Oakland due to the sufficient amount of abandoned
>wharehouses along the freeways. But before we venture into this "expedition",
>we would like to get feedback from the locals.
>     The field will be located in a three story building, each level
>roughly 80 
>yds. X 100 yds. We figure that the bottom level will serve as the parking lot,
>registration booth and break area. Each field/floor will be a different
>scenario along with music system (Don't expect a concert sound system), strobe
>lighting on one floor, and complete safety/dead-zone area. The field will be
>run by our team (FIRESTORM), and will deffinately be I.P.P.A. certified.  We
>were thinking of offering Trracers and a few PMI-3's. Plenty of cover on both
>levels. And since they are bigger than some outdoor fields, we may even lay
>some sod on one of the fields.

Great!  The bigger and more diverse the fields the better!  I know that you
can get PMI-3 cheap but they suck gas like crazy.

>     If we decide to open it, we figure a $15/day rate $20 w/ Trracer, and $25
>w/ PMI-3. Field Paint only  ranging from $6/100 for generic to $9/100 premium.
>FPS will be 230-250.  Group discounts offered of course. and first two weeks,
>all IPPA members play FREE!!!!!

Field rates sound fine to me but the requirement of field paint really
sucks (that's a technical term :-).  I understand that that's where a field
makes a good chunk of it's money but...  I'd much rather see you do
something like just allowing (or just banning) certain kinds of paint.

Velocities seem more dependent on the type of fields.  If they promote very
close in action then 250 seems fine to me.  If they are more open then I'd
say 275 would be a better limit.

Being so close to where I'm at would be a BIG plus since driving to Vallejo
(or farther) can be a pain.

From my experiences with the current Bay Area indoor arenas, my
recommendations are as follows:

	The current indoor places seem very slimy and dangerous.  Good
upkeep and referees are very important.  If you're going to open up shop in
Oakland than you must make the trip seem safe.  If the parking lot is
inside, and 'guarded' etc. than people will feel safe coming to play.  The
building/location needs to be very easy to find and be well lit from the
street.

	The current indoor places are expensive.  I already mentioned my
pet peeves about paint.  I would rather pay a (small) amount more for the
field fees then be required to by the (expensive) field paint.  The cost
issue is a major factor in getting people to come back and play.  I've
introduced probably 60 people to paintball and only a handfull have played
more than that first time because the sport costs so damn much.

Good luck,
	John
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU
From: Todd.Looney@f27.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Todd Looney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Silicon Valley/Santa Cruz Mountain fields
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 02:09:06 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/27 - Int'l Public Emerge, San Jose CA

Hello All!

I've been playing exclusively at Woodstalk in the Santa Cruz mountains of northern California.  I've heard of a couple others but have never played there, and would like to get some information and opinions on any other Silicon Valley/Santa Cruz area fields which allow semi's.

Ciao for Niao
Todd Looney


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