From: jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Nell Carter's Pool Boy)
Subject: Re: Collins (Was: Joey Beard - Duke Bound)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 05:44:59 GMT

oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:

>In article <5798@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
>> In article <BvIt8s.AMI@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu
> (A Conrad Bain Wanna-Be) writes:
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> At least it's not a Jim Bain Wanna-Be, thank God!

I'll just assume this is a compliment.  I hope. :-)

>Rob>Didn't Chris shoot better from three-point range than two-point range?
>Rob>That's quite a stat.

I'll pull the stat file tomorrow morning when I get up (It's too late
to go poking around HyperCard for it whilst juggling the phone line.  I don't
think that's a correct statement, but I'm not totally sure.

>Given his low & flat release, I'm not too surprised.  Especially since the
>IHSA refs (in my experience and opinion) were much more likely to call
>the foul on a defender when a three point shot was defensed.  In college
>ball it seems quite the opposite - refs are not wont to call the foul on
>the three due to the big payoff.  Recall the number of three point shooters
>that ended up on their butts last season while the refs watched the ball
>go thru.  It would be interesting to see a stat on how many of his shots
>were blocked and/or deflected in his HS career.  I'm sure that Mr. Sky Blue
>Rodl is licking his chops now...

IHSA Refs called a foul on a three-point shot exactly three times this past
year (91-92), and none the year before.  The only time it was in our favor
was the IHSA Leyden Sectional Semifinal game (1992) vs. New Trier with 0:02
remaining in the game, and us down three.  The shot went wide and Chris shot
three from the line.  He missed the last shot, taking away the "final shot"
I'll cover in a minute...

>Bain>Since I've been hearing the dirt on Duke's plans for Collins since the
>Bain>beginning (back while he was still being recruited) it surprises me to
>Bain>hear anything about him playing off-guard.  I've been told he's supposed
>Bain>to backup Hurley this year in order to take over the spot next year.  I
>Bain>haven't heard differently from anyone else back home, including Chris.
>Bain>He's been a point guard since freshman year in high school, and I really
>Bain>doubt he'll change.

>The big fish is entering the big pond now.  Unfortunately for the Duke staff,
>the papa fish is too.  

It's been brought up to me that a HS point guard isn't neccessarily a college
point guard.  Not having seen much of college hoops, I'll reserve judgement
on that 'till later

>Rob>If that's true, then why did Duke get Jeff Capel, and pursue Randy
>Rob>Livingston so hard? I hope that Collins does work out, and that K takes
>Rob>some of the wildness out of him, as Chuck mentioned.  Tommy Amaker could
>Rob>really teach him a thing or two on the virtues of unselfishness.

>Agreed, Rob.  We'll see if he can learn, at Duke or elsewhere.  I'm sure
>that CC had a TV the last two years - we'll see if he used it, and realizes
>the situation he is coming into.  

This is dangerous ground, and to keep the flames out of my mailbox, I'm
keeping my mouth shut on this one.  I'd probably blow the 100K limit if I
didn't...

>Rob>I've read that Collins is the proverbial clutch shooter, and that he loved 
>Rob>to take game-winning shots.  He just needs to realize that he won't be
>Rob>called upon to do this at Duke.  At least, not yet.  I just don't think
>Rob>that K will ceremoniously hand him the ball at the start of next year's 
>Rob>practice, like he did with Hurley.  

>Given his shooting ability, and what I've seen/heard of Capel, I'd slot
>Collins for the 2 slot, no question.  Whether he intends to last, or be
>another McCaffrey, that is the question.  

Chris has traditionally been something of a clutch shooter, but he knows that
there are times when it isn't his place to do it.  I doubt we'd have gone as
far as we did this spring if he didn't understand that.  The "big" shots at
the end of the season came from others.  Not Chris.  I don't see Coach K having
any need to "hand him the ball at the start of next year's practice".  Nor
will there be conflict over it.

[Disclaimer: I don't speak for any former teammates or coaches, those bearing
the name "Collins" included.  I know them all, and I know where they all live,
and trust me, they all have enough money to buy their own opinions.  They don't
need mine...]

[Disclaimer II: I don't speak for Conrad Bain or Nell Carter (or her pool for
that matter) either.]
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