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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:01:30 EST
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Word Search

>   The idiot who praises with enthusiastic tone
>   Every century but this, every country but his own...

  And, true enough, it was for a great while the wont of our general
  dunderheadedness to speak well of dead writers and decry all living
  authors, with the reassuring consciousness that thus no possible
  benefit could be incurred by anybody.
                                          James Branch Cabell
                                             _Beyond Life_
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From:         Jim Dwyer <jim_dwyer@MACGATE.CSUCHICO.EDU>
Subject: Re: comments?
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It's actually "Occurence at Owl Creek Bridge" and was written by Ambose Bierce.
I just couldn't leave that one just hanging. In terms of generational
differences in cultures I think it's probably safe to say that many boomers
know Bierce through the tv version of "Owl Creek." (On "Twilight Zone" in early
60's?) while youger viewers may have the misfortune of knowing Bierce as "The
Old Gringo" in the mediocre movie of the same name.
The "Steenking badges" line is from "Treasure of the Sierra Madre."
Jim Dwyer
Chico State University
"I don't speak for Chico and Harpo can blow his own horn."
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From: Discussions about Literature on Wed, Jan 27, 1993 7:46 PM
Subject: Re:      Re:      Re: Re: comments?

        IAN YORK <YORK@sscvax.cis.mcmaster.ca> writes:

>         The association of the William tell Overture with the Lone Ranger may
> not require familiarity with the show.

 Precisely.  A genetic implant on the culture, like `Steenking Badges'
 or _Incident At Owl Creek Bridge_ (who wrote that, anyway?), which we
 all know much more of than we ever wanted...

-Uncle timmie


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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:08:13 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Maya Angelou - Poet Laureate?
              21 Jan 1993 11:18:27 EDT from <FRENKEL@CPMAIL-AM.C
              IS.COLUMBIA.EDU>

On Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:18:27 EDT Tom Frenkel said:
>Hi ... I just was reading the poem, "On the Pulse of Morning", by
>Maya Angelou, which she read at the Inauguration yesterday.  Does
>someone know if she's the Poet Laureate?  And if not, who is?  And
>how far back does the Poet Laureate-ship go back in this country?
>Who have been our Poet Laureates in the past?
>
>Thanks!
>
>    Tom Frenkel (frenkel@cpmail-am.cis.columbia.edu)

Yes, I believe she is, or will be shortly.  The first one I can remember is
Robert Frost, during the Kennedy administration.  I think possibly the post
was created at that time, but can't swear to it.
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:03:12 EST
From:         Royal <royald@MACE.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Poet Laureate
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              "rlbs@ELWOOD.ESU.EDU" at Jan 21, 93 12:32 pm

rlbs@ELWOOD.ESU.EDU writes:
>
> > I seem to recall reading recently that we no longer have a Poet Laureate
> > as the last one resigned.  If that is true, I think that Maya Angelou would
> > be an excellent choice.
> >
> > Mindy Fiala
> > MFiala@vax1.umkc.edu
>
> Maya Angelou was named (U.S.) Poet Laureate last year by George Bush.
> Like the British Poets Laureate, the US position has been graced by
> persons of uneven talent.  To be fair, it _is_ a lousy position; the
> PL must produce works on demand for occasions not usually poetically (?)
> inspiring.
>
> Does anyone recall the name of the British Poet Laureate?  Last I heard,
> it was a poet from the West Indies, a Derek ___(?)

Do you mean Derek Walcott?  BTW, he was awarded the Nobel Prize for
Lit. last year.


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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:21:43 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject: Re: comments?
              27 Jan 1993 18:34:56 PST from <tcbowden@CLOVIS.FEL TON.CA.US>

On Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:34:56 PST Timothy Bowden said:
>        IAN YORK <YORK@sscvax.cis.mcmaster.ca> writes:
>
>>         The association of the William tell Overture with the Lone Ranger may
>> not require familiarity with the show.
>
> Precisely.  A genetic implant on the culture, like `Steenking Badges'
> or _Incident At Owl Creek Bridge_ (who wrote that, anyway?), which we
> all know much more of than we ever wanted...
>
>-Uncle timmie
>
Hmmm--a closet Lamarckian, I see (-:
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:02:46 -0500
From:         MCW001@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU
Subject:      Re: Maya Angelou (follow-up)
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        He was it, Tom... At least to the best of my knowlege...
The other, to answer your prev. post, Pl's were as follows:
Richard Wilbur-1987
Howard Nemerov-1988
Mark Strand-1990
Joseph Brodsky-1991
                                                Marc C. Wilson
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:48:45 EST
From:         Charles Cochran <CCOCHRAN@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Quote of the Day
              26 Jan 1993 08:06:50 -0800 from <djl@MAILHOST.PP.PDX.EDU>

On Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:06:50 -0800 David Loftus said:
>When an old person dies, it's like a library burning.     -- Alex Haley

Goodness, I've always attributed that quote to Eliot Wigginton
for some reason.

Charles Cochran
ccochran@uga.cc.uga.edu
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From:         David Loftus <djl@MAILHOST.PP.PDX.EDU>
Subject:      Quote of the Day
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I have often said that the sole cause of man's unhappiness is that he does
not know how to stay quietly in his room.  -- Pascal, "Pensees"
From: steven@oregon.uoregon.edu (James Stephen Newton)
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Subject: Re:      Poet Laureate
Date: 21 Jan 1993 14:54 PST
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In article <9301211732.AA13532@elwood.esu.edu>,         rlbs@ELWOOD.ESU.EDU writes...
>> I seem to recall reading recently that we no longer have a Poet Laureate
>> as the last one resigned.  If that is true, I think that Maya Angelou would
>> be an excellent choice.
>>
>> Mindy Fiala
>> MFiala@vax1.umkc.edu
> 
>Maya Angelou was named (U.S.) Poet Laureate last year by George Bush.
>Like the British Poets Laureate, the US position has been graced by
>persons of uneven talent.  To be fair, it _is_ a lousy position; the
>PL must produce works on demand for occasions not usually poetically (?)
>inspiring.
> 
>Does anyone recall the name of the British Poet Laureate?  Last I heard,
>it was a poet from the West Indies, a Derek ___(?)
> 
>Richard Bugyi-Sutter
>E Stroudsburg Univ, PA, USA.

Could it be Derek Walcott.  I thought that at one point it was Philip Larking.  
Check out "This Be the Verse" by Larkin.  He was a tough old bird.
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:56:00 PST
From:         naomi seeger <ECZ5SEE@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      secret history, et alia

well, thank you so much, michael.

  the author of _the secret history_ is donna tartt.  and, for those for
which the tactile aspects of reading are important, let me add that it
is a simply gorgeous book.  not in the griffin & sabine manner, just
a beautiful cover and yummy paper and good choice of font.

  i'm in the middle of the _satanic verses_ right now and - wow!  i'm
in seventh heaven!  the way this guy writes-he makes words dance.  reading
him is like reading etymologies - where you have to track the changes in
sense in half steps, from one meaning to another just half a step over,
which then takes on the character of a nearby more overwhelming meaning.

  my difficulty at the moment is that i am only a little better than
woefully idnorint of the religious and mythic background he's playing
with.  i can see just enough to mostly get it, and know i'm missing
something.  can anyone suggest some sources i could quickly read?  short
ones, because i don't want to delay too much my reading of SV.  i don't
want to start looking at criticism of SV until i've finished reading it
myself, so that's not an avenue.

  thanks -
            naomi seeger
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From:         "wbell@micf.nist.gov (Wilma Bell)" <WBELL@NBSMICF.BITNET>
Subject:      Angelou's poem

Regretfully many of us did not receive those newspapers and our local papers
neglected to print Angelou's poem. If it's not too much to ask maybe someone
can key it into this system for distribution.
From: mjsmith@cac.washington.edu (Martha Smith )
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Subject: Cees Nooteboom
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I'm a fan of everything (translated into English) by Cees Nooteboom.  Anyone have any brilliant ideas of authors "similar" to him that I might like?
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:43:50 PST
From:         Timothy Bowden <tcbowden@CLOVIS.FELTON.CA.US>
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Subject: Re: comments?
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        Ken Koester <MAINT2@ers.bitnet> writes:

> On Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:35:48 EST <myname@STUDENT.ANU.EDU.AU> said:

> >>I agree wholeheartedly.  It also allows a new definition of 'cultured':

> >   a cultured person is someone who can hear the William Tell Overture
> >   and NOT think of the Lone Ranger!

> No, that is merely a young person (-:

Try *not* to think of the William Tell Overture, or the Lone Ranger, or
anything else, for instance Gertrude Stein's cannonball in a basket of
cotton.  Ignorance is the only solution to not thinking, as well as
thinking, as Winston Smith found out, therefore is the only process
other than satire to deal with a problem and its antidote at the same
time...

Or was that Danny Quayle?

-Uncle Timmie



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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:16:18 -0500
From:         Elise <EZAPPAS@DREW.BITNET>
Subject:      British Poet Laureate

                                        Date:     21-Jan-1993 01:12pm EST
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Subject: British Poet Laureate

The current British Poet Laureate is Ted Hughes, famous for his raw animal
and nature imagery.  He's been poet laureate for some years now, and is
still young, so I don't think they'll be a new one anytime soon.

Elise Zappas
ezappas@drew.drew.edu
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:15:35 EST
From:         kmicciche@FSCVAX.FSC.MASS.EDU
Subject:      RE: Poet Laureate
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Are you thinking of poet Derek Wolcott?  He currently teaches at Boston
University.
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 11:02:16 -0500
From:         PHILLIPS@VAX.LIBRARY.UTORONTO.CA
Subject:      tartt's "secret history"
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naomi,

read donna tartt's book last fall after the globe and mail (canada's national
newspaper) gaving it a glowing review. i found it a compelling read, and a very
impressive debut. i did, however, have a number of editorial problems, and felt
that she could have used a decent editor to separate the chaff.
        ie- the epilogue: should of been completely removed except for the
        final page, a brilliant and mesmerising passage.

your observations on the appearance of the book are so true. a more sumptuously
constructed book i have yet to see.

yours, kevin phillips
From: robinds@hulaw1.harvard.edu
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Subject: Re: requests to post Angelou's poem
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:32:52 GMT
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Please don't post Angelou's poem - it's a violation of her copyright.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:04:49 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject: Re: comments?
              27 Jan 1993 06:43:50 PST from <tcbowden@CLOVIS.FEL TON.CA.US>

On Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:43:50 PST Timothy Bowden favored us with:
>        Ken Koester <MAINT2@ers.bitnet> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:35:48 EST <myname@STUDENT.ANU.EDU.AU> said:
>
>> >>I agree wholeheartedly.  It also allows a new definition of 'cultured':
>
>> >   a cultured person is someone who can hear the William Tell Overture
>> >   and NOT think of the Lone Ranger!
>
>> No, that is merely a young person (-:
>
>Try *not* to think of the William Tell Overture, or the Lone Ranger, or
>anything else, for instance Gertrude Stein's cannonball in a basket of
>cotton.  Ignorance is the only solution to not thinking, as well as

"Trying not to think of something" differs completely from "not thinking of
something".  However, the real point is that the young are not likely to have
seen the Lone Ranger show, thus have no particular reason to associate it
with the William Tell Overture (unless someone else has told them about it).
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Subject:      Help with signoff
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Can someone please share with me the secret of signing off of this
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From:         frank stevenson <BAE03@TWNTKU10.BITNET>
Subject:      2 pomes

These are among numerous poems i've been hoarding for years, not daring to let
them see the light of day....What's this list for, anyway?...Comments/crit's?
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
                    fish whiskers


           fish fins soar silver
           submerged
           in the murky netherworld
           in the warm kingdom of bait

           birds' eyes flashing
           under steel grey mountains
           sky lake over fire
           sun under blue strait

           words are garbage, him thunk,
           disposable, so opened
           can of dank fish
           & swept kitchen sand
           beneath the rotted floorboards

           whisked the delicious wishes
           of the other hand
           beneath raw rugs of reason
           ("i am, zero fish swam")
           beneath the buoyed inner tubes

           fish huddled
           in the senseless sea
           in the inexplicable deep blue waters
           & rusted tins, & question marks

           thoughts condensed, or sparks
           beneath grey cloud mountains
           fire under sky lake
           sun over insurpassable strait



                      typewriter


           the blank
           of blanks (who loaded it?)

           to think: to feel, no more
           "to feel, perchance to pound"

           relentless random pounding
           black ribbon turns back on itself

           toss off a pome like the morning's garbage
           left in the stainless steel can
           on the back porch

           "what need here is a little
           pure emotion"
           fired off into space in the eye's twinkling
           pounded with sludgehammer keys on the
           dazed blankness
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From:         livewell@SIAM.ORG
Subject:      Re: Maya Angelou - Poet Laureate?
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          Dear Tom,

          Robert Penn Warren was the first laureate.  (Why isn't there
          a stamp for him?)  Richard Wilbur was the second, followed
          by Mark Strand, then Joseph Brodsky.  I'm unsure, however,
          of the latest.  The original position was called Consultant
          to the Library of Congress.  Such people as Archibald
          MacCleish (spelling?), Frost, Tate, and Stevens held this
          position.

          I think this is only the second to poet to read at an
          inauguration.

          Dave L.
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I seem to recall reading recently that we no longer have a Poet Laureate
as the last one resigned.  If that is true, I think that Maya Angelou would
be an excellent choice.

Mindy Fiala
MFiala@vax1.umkc.edu
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From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject: Re: comments?
              27 Jan 1993 11:35:48 EST from <myname@STUDENT.ANU. EDU.AU>

On Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:35:48 EST <myname@STUDENT.ANU.EDU.AU> said:
>>
>>I agree wholeheartedly.  It also allows a new definition of 'cultured':
>
>   a cultured person is someone who can hear the William Tell Overture
>   and NOT think of the Lone Ranger!
>
No, that is merely a young person (-:
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:31:00 PST
From:         Timothy Bowden <tcbowden@CLOVIS.FELTON.CA.US>
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Subject: Re: comments?
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        Ken Koester <MAINT2@ers.bitnet> writes:

> >Try *not* to think of the William Tell Overture, or the Lone Ranger, or
> >anything else, for instance Gertrude Stein's cannonball in a basket of
> >cotton.  Ignorance is the only solution to not thinking, as well as -

> "Trying not to think of something" differs completely from "not thinking of
> something".  However, the real point is that the young are not likely to have
> seen the Lone Ranger show, thus have no particular reason to associate it
> with the William Tell Overture (unless someone else has told them about it).

They are, in fact, then `ignorant' of the Lone Ranger, are they not?
Ergo, the solution.




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From:         "E. Butler-Evans" <ebevans%humanitas@HUB.UCSB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Poet Laureate
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Probably Derek Walcott, who won the Nobel Prize in l992.
> Does anyone recall the name of the British Poet Laureate?  Last I heard,
> it was a poet from the West Indies, a Derek ___(?)
>
> Richard Bugyi-Sutter
> E Stroudsburg Univ, PA, USA.
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:18:40 -0500
From:         MCW001@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU
Subject:      Re: Maya Angelou - Poet Laureate?
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        A person has to be dead for 10 years before stamp eligibility-Penn
Warren has a few years before that rolls around... But rest assured,
he'll be at the front of the line... That is unless they decide to wrangle
with the question of a John Belushi stamp--(will it be the Jake Blues stamp
or the Killer Bee? I can envision the debacle now)

                                                Again, Marc C. Wilson
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:33:00 CST
From:         TB0WDB1@NIU.BITNET
Subject:      Re: cultured

And pop-cultured means grown in a Rob and Laura Petri-dish.
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