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From: swanson@metalx.enet.dec.com (Ken Swanson)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: "Trapped Under Ice"
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:24:30 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Aug21.190427.19836@news2.cis.umn.edu>, donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes...
>I never once thought of Dante and "Inferno" in connection to "Trapped Under Ice"
>, but it is an interesting thought. I always thought it was about someone who
>had been cryogenically frozen, in hopes of being revived someday. 
>It also reminded me of the ending of an old Dracula film, where Drac is
>trapped under ice, at the end of the film. But I think the Cryogenic thing
>is correct...
> 
>					--Judex--

Hmmm, cryogenically frozen?  But if that were the case, the person wouldn't be
able to 'Cry out', or think thoughts like 'I am dying to live' and 'freezing'
and 'screaming, can't hear my call'....   A person cryogenically frozen is not
conscious, correct?

When I hear the song it makes me think of that scene in The Omen, (or Omen II),
where they're playing hockey, and someone falls through the ice, and gets swept
under by the currents, and nobody can save him.  Now that's trapped under ice!

Ken
From: tmcdonal@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Tom McDonald)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Kill 'Em All CD missing songs
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:02:04 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Aug28.162054.928@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu
(Your Heinous) writes:
>
>I have some old copies of "Metal Forces" where they are talking to the
>Lead Singer of BlitzKrieg, and he was quite grateful that Metallica
>had done that song. Since Metallica has given Diamondhead some long 
>overdue recognition <as well as getting their material back in print>
>I don't think so. The "Creeping Death/Garage Days Re-Visited" 12'
>was put out by Elektra, and they would not have released unauthorized
>versions. Besides, permission is not truly required, as long as the
>fees on the songs are paid. Lars said the hardest thing about the "Garage
>Days Re-Re-Visited" EP, was finding the guys, so they could pay them.
>The "Garage Days Re-Re-Visited" EP has never been re-issued, but
>since it was all cover tunes, and a "fill-in" relelase to break
>in Jason Newstead, I am not suprised. They didn't need "permission"
>they just had to pay for the songs. Thats what ASCAP and BMI are for.
>
>					--Judex--
>P.S. Anyone have a nice copy of "Garage Days RE-RE-Visited"? I had gone
>through 4 of them, before I got one that wasn't defective, and I hear that
>that was a common problem. I was buying it on vinyl and one side always
>skipped...

Vinyl??  Good luck finding much on that format.  (Not a slam, but the closest
store I know of that sells new vinyl is in Austin, and San Antonio ain't all
that small.)  As far as other formats, I keep hearing people say how this is
so hard to find, but Columbia House had it in their last catalog (CD or tape).
I can't believe it's out of print, CH still offers it.

						-Tom
-- 
Okay, one more time.  This is your brain. (egg)
This is your brain on drugs. (egg in frying pan)
Any Questions?
"Yeah, can I have mine scrambled?"
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: mschenk@research.ptt.nl (Mike Schenk +31 70 33 23926)
Subject: Re: origin of "ride the lightning"
Organization: PTT Research
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:17:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.063220.1954@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Kevin.J.Feury@dartmouth.edu (Kevin J. Feury) writes:
> okay true metallica fans, trivia buffs and those with the knowledge,
> where did the title 'RIDE THE LIGHTNING' come from?? i know damn well
> what it represents (the electric chair), but i'm wondering about the
> origin of the actual saying. my interest was sparked because i'm
> rereading king's THE STAND (the uncut version with 300 more pages) and
> i know the character randall flagg ("thats with two g's") was the
> inspriration for the anthrax song "among the living"  and that they
> give credit on the liner notes for ATL. i was also struck by the fact
> (for those of you that have read it) that lloyd as in "get pokerized"
> and his attorney both come to the conclusion that he will be sentenced
> to death and in the state of arizona he'll "ride the lightning" that
> phrase is used twice in the book (before flagg rescues him) 

Hey thanks a lot, I am just reading the book and did not reach 
that part yet. Now you have spoilt part of the fun.

    Mike
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Rainbow In Black)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Song after Green Hell
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:05:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92244.104313JOB102@psuvm.psu.edu>, JOB102@psuvm.psu.edu writes...
>At the very end of the Garage Days tape/CD there is a few second piece that
>sounds like Iron Maiden's Run to the Hills.  Does anyone know if that's what
>it is and why the whole thing isn't included?

Because they are just fucking around with it and making it sound as horrendous
as possible!

I would hesitate to say they are 'making fun of it" or "mocking it out."

A more practical reason for cutting it short is to avoid both paying copyright
fees and avoiding getting sued for playing it without the copyright permission.

					---Chet
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Sandman Interpretations
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:12:09 GMT
Distribution: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Organization: UB

In article <7527@monmouth.edu> c3088@moncol.monmouth.edu (CHRIS CANE) writes:
>While we're on this thread, does anybody have an interpretation
>for "Enter Sandman"?  I think it's about Hetfield's disillusionment
>as a child with his "churchy" upbringing, and how nightmares haunted
>him until the "sandman" (Satan) comes.  Judging by the video, M.'s
>message is good, innocence vs. evil, fear, that sort of thing.
>
>___________________________________________________________________
>|\/| |_| |\| |\/| |_| \_/  |  |-|            |_ |_| |_ |_ |- |_- |-
>Christopher E. Cane                       c3088@moncol.monmouth.edu
>Beer Lover By Choice                       Computer User By Fortune
Here is my interpretation of Enter Sandman: 
  It is Metallica's way of cashing in to mainstream rock (but can you blame
them?)
From: c3088@moncol.monmouth.edu (CHRIS CANE)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: "Trapped Under Ice"
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:23:40 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <1660@sousa.ltn.dec.com> swanson@metalx.enet.dec.com (Ken Swanson) writes:
>where they're playing hockey, and someone falls through the ice, and gets swept
>under by the currents, and nobody can save him.  Now that's trapped under ice!
>

way cool.


___________________________________________________________________
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Christopher E. Cane                       c3088@moncol.monmouth.edu
Beer Lover By Choice                       Computer User By Fortune
From: ADB103@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Taping at shows-questions
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:49:14 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

What is the status of Metallica's policy on concert taping?  Do they have a tap
ing section (like the dead) or is it more like anywhere you think will be safe.
 Do many people tape?  Would I feel safe if I took my DAT and Sen. 816s or shou
ld I stick to more "expendable" gear?  I would also be interested in trading fo
r some good aud 1st gens. Any show would be fine, but I'd prefer an outdoor/sta
dium show.  I'd also be interested in finding a copy of Metallica's show from R
FK during the late 80's Monsters of Rock tour-really interested!!! That show wa
s a mindblower--especially for someone conditioned to the Grateful Dead's hit o
r miss shows.  The rest of the Bands that day SUCKED!!! I can trade in any form
at.  Ive been around the Dead scene for awhile; most of my masters are of Dylan
 , Allmans, Blues Traveler, JT, ETC.. In other words- no metal bands....yet. Se
t me up. Thanks. EDB
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: "Trapped Under Ice"
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:01:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.202342.866@midway.uchicago.edu> adg2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Judex posted something about Dante and the "Inferno" having something to do
>with "Trapped Under Ice." Is this a thread I missed? What is it all about?
>Are Lars and James secretly scholars of 14th Century Italian epic poetry?
>
>adg
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Andrew David Gross                 "For many are called, but few are chosen."
>agd2@midway.uchicago.edu                  - Matthew 22:14

I did not! I was responding to a post by someone else. I still say that
"Trapped Under Ice" is about a fantasy about Cryogenics. And I have an 
interview with Lars in "Creem Metal" to back me up. Too bad I can't
find that issue right now. The perils of several moves have apparently
eaten it. I am searching through my stuff and several storage places I
use. Still, I think that all of the interpretations posted here are
equally valid, and consistent. I am impressed by the variety of
valid interpretations and the universality of this song.

						--Judex--
From: louisp@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Mike Perez)
Subject: Re: Metallica Bootleg ripoff!
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>Something like that.  But it is concievable that it's recorded on both sides
>(to save $.05 worth of plastic??).  Money talks.  If the store doesn't want
>your $52 bad enough to play it your way, find another store.

That would be a first.  I didn't think it was possible because of the entire
concept of the CD.  Burning holes into the disc on BOTH sides doesn't seem
possible.  Besides, if it is, how good can it sound?

Mike Perez
louisp@bonnie.ics.uci.edu


Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: "Trapped Under Ice"
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:57:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.001547.5750@midway.uchicago.edu> adg2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Also, don't forget that "The Shortest Straw" was based on Victor Nevsky's
>"Naming Names" and that "Creeping Death" is based on Exodus. (And that "The
>Four Horsemen" is from Revelations.)
>
>Also, I don't think Dante's Inferno was a novel, but I don't want to sound
>too picky...
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Andrew David Gross       "And David danced before the Lord with all his might"
>adg2@midway.uchicago.edu                  - 2 Samuel 6:14

The Four Horsemen is a REALLY loose interpretation of Revelations, same with
"Creeping Death" and exodus. Really loose!

And "INferno" was not a novel, it is a poem.
<I know, picky picky picky>

					--Judex--
From: jeffs@dvorak.amd.com (Jeff Sobotka)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: James' finger?????
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:28:57 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

I just heard that James Hetfield hurt his finger and
they don't know how long it will be until he can play
again. 

Can anyone out there verify this (hopefully not!)
I am going to be really f***ing pissed if this is
true because I am going to see the show in Dallas
this weekend.
From: jeffs@dvorak.amd.com (Jeff Sobotka)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Metallica/Faith No More tour dates
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:59:34 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

Does anyone out there have any idea if FNM is still playing
w/ Metallica in the Dallas show? Please, please, please
post a response. Thanx in advance.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: ehead@nyx.cs.du.edu (eddie head)
Subject: Re: Metallica box set
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 00:08:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.162325.27646@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bu345@cleveland.F
eenet.Edu (Matt Holliman) writes:
>
>I remember seeing a discussion some while back about a Metallica box set
 which
>I think is called "The Good, The Bad, The Live".  Does anyone have ANY
>information on this item, such as price, contents/song list, or stores
>that have it?  (It is a limited edition of 4000 I think)
>Also, I heard from a friend that Enter Sandman was originally going to h
ve
>lyrics about crib death, but Jaymz thought they were too sick for a comm
rcial
>release... does anyone know these lyrics?  Thanks.
>
>Matt Holliman, mattholl@imsa.edu
>-- 
>bu345@freenet-in-[abc].cwru.edu         Matt Holliman
>	"Honesty is my only excuse," Damage Inc. <Metallica>



So, Enter Sandman did not have the crib death lyrics 'cos it was to 'sick'?
This from the band who released a cover of 'So What'.......

Eddie.
From: kevin.christensen@madness.network23.com (Kevin Christensen) 
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: RE: METALLICA TAPES NEEDE
Date: 30 Aug 92 20:31:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Terminal Madness BBS - Newport, RI - 401-848-9069
Reply-To: kevin.christensen@madness.network23.com (Kevin Christensen) 

-> Parts of it are ok, other parts suck.

Okay, whatever.  I can't really say.  I only heard a few minutes of it,
just the parts that I heard sucked..
From: donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: "Trapped Under Ice"
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:12:44 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1660@sousa.ltn.dec.com> swanson@metalx.enet.dec.com (Ken Swanson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug21.190427.19836@news2.cis.umn.edu>, donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes...
>>I never once thought of Dante and "Inferno" in connection to "Trapped Under Ice"
>>, but it is an interesting thought. I always thought it was about someone who
>>had been cryogenically frozen, in hopes of being revived someday. 
>>It also reminded me of the ending of an old Dracula film, where Drac is
>>trapped under ice, at the end of the film. But I think the Cryogenic thing
>>is correct...
>> 
>>					--Judex--
>
>Hmmm, cryogenically frozen?  But if that were the case, the person wouldn't be
>able to 'Cry out', or think thoughts like 'I am dying to live' and 'freezing'
>and 'screaming, can't hear my call'....   A person cryogenically frozen is not
>conscious, correct?
>
>When I hear the song it makes me think of that scene in The Omen, (or Omen II),
>where they're playing hockey, and someone falls through the ice, and gets swept
>under by the currents, and nobody can save him.  Now that's trapped under ice!
>
>Ken
>

I consulted an old issue of "Creem Metal" about this. Lars said that this
was their conception of cryogenics. lets examine the lyrics.
Freeaing, can't move at all-pretty obvious, if someone was cryogenically
frozen.
Screaming, Can't hear my call--Interior monolog  seems to be the case here.
The person frozen is thinking to themselves.

As far as we know, a person cryogenically frozen is not conscious, but this
is a fantasy lyric, obviously. 

					--Judex--
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: garyr@athena.ecs.csus.edu (Robert M. Gary)
Subject: Re: Sandman Interpretations
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Distribution: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 06:16:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.212525.18615@mic.ucla.edu> stephen@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Stephen Schimpf) writes:
>In article <7527@monmouth.edu> c3088@moncol.monmouth.edu (CHRIS CANE) writes:
>>While we're on this thread, does anybody have an interpretation
>>for "Enter Sandman"?  I think it's about Hetfield's disillusionment
>>as a child with his "churchy" upbringing, and how nightmares haunted
>>him until the "sandman" (Satan) comes.  Judging by the video, M.'s
>>message is good, innocence vs. evil, fear, that sort of thing.
>>
>>___________________________________________________________________
>>|\/| |_| |\| |\/| |_| \_/  |  |-|            |_ |_| |_ |_ |- |_- |-
>>Christopher E. Cane                       c3088@moncol.monmouth.edu
>>Beer Lover By Choice                       Computer User By Fortune
>
>I don't see the song or the video having anything to do with
>disillusionment, religion, good, evil, or Satan. I just thought it was
>about the fears that we all have that show up in our dreams.
>
I think "Enter Sandman" is just Metallica's answer to Queensryche's
"Silen Lucidity" :)

------------------------------------------------------------------------
| She told me to come,      |  Judge not lest ye  |  Sometimes all of  |
| but I was already there!  |  be judged yourself.|  our thoughts are  |
|             -- AC/DC      |        -- Metallica |  misgiven.-Led Zep.|
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Garage Days missing song (was: Re: Kill 'Em All CD missing songs)
Organization: none
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 15:54:39 GMT

In article <TOKA.92Aug29043412@phantom.hut.fi> toka@niksula.hut.fi (Tomi Juhani Kause) writes:
>donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
>
>>P.S. Anyone have a nice copy of "Garage Days RE-RE-Visited"? I had gone
>>through 4 of them, before I got one that wasn't defective, and I hear that
>>that was a common problem. I was buying it on vinyl and one side always
>>skipped...
>
>Actually, I have two nice but different vinyl copies of the GDRRV:
>
>I) Mercury
>   side 1: Helpless, The Small Hours
>   side 2: The Wait, Crash Course In Brain Surgery, Last Caress/Green Hell
>   Made in Holland, cover printed in The Netherlands. 
>II) Vertigo
>   side 1: Helpless, Crash Course in Brain Surgery
>   side 2: The Small Hours, Last Caress/Green Hell
>   Neither the cover nor the vinyl contain any info about the country
>   of origin.
>
>Sorry if these are FAQs, but does anyone know the story behind these
>different versions? Was the Vertigo 4-track version released on CD?
>(Please don't flame me to death if all the US pressings of the CD have
>only 4 tracks. :-)
>
>Tomi Kause   Tomi.Kause@hut.fi   "Mark my last words. They might
>Ti III	     toka@niksula.hut.fi  be what I just said."

No idea why it is missing one song. Every copy I have ever seen has all 5.
Weird.

					--Judex--
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Origin question
From: jwebb@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 2 Sep 92 09:25:01 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

In article <92246.030212TLS129@psuvm.psu.edu>, <TLS129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> OK, flame me later for not cross-posting it, but I made a post on alt.rn'r.metl
> asking if Kirk is an original member of Metallica,since someone on the net said
> Metallica wasn't a real band 'cause of that reason, in reply to some G N' R
> comment.  It's under the subject heading "Re.Axl's departure" or something like
> that.   Anyway, if any of you come across it and know what I'm asking...you
> know what to do.  Thanks.
>                          Bill
> "When a man lies, he murders some part of the world"
> 
Originally, he was not the lead guitarist, Megadeth's Dave Mustaine was.  I 
believe that was when they were playing clubs really heavily.  Then the rest 
of the guys (Hetfield, Ulrich and Burton) and Mustaine's views clashed (I 
think he was into drugs big and bad, but I could be wrong), so Mustaine 
left.  Hammett took over, and plays on all the albums, so he was originally 
in Metallica when they released their first album.  Mustaine wrote some of 
the songs (or helped write, rather) on Kill 'Em All and Ride The Lightning.
-- 


Jeffery D. Webb

JWEBB@OREAD.CC.UKANS.EDU
University Of Kansas


Do you choose what I choose?
More alternatives.
Energy derives from both 
The plus and negative.
	--Metallica
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Metallica/Faith No More tour dates
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:00:11 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <92233.00121732GCHRG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> 32GCHRG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU writes:
>In article <_=!nvg_@lynx.unm.edu>, herron@triton.unm.edu (wesley b  herron)
>says:
>>
>>     I am (was) planning to attend the Metallica/Faith No More bonanza
>>
>>in Las Cruces on August 27.  Does anyone know if this show is still planned?
>>
>>
>>                                         Wes
>>
>>
>>"God is dead." --- Nietzche
>>
>>"Nietzche is dead!" --- God
>>
>>
>And lets not forget the HEADLINERS!!!!!!
>
>                      Guns N Roses
>
>Sorry bout that, but for so long I had to hear about
>how Metallica kicks Guns N Posers ass and all that shit
>and it's nice to see Metallica opening for them now.
>So now we see who the REAL band is!!   8-)
>
>                     Doc Holiday

How can you possibly say that Guns n Faggots is better than Metallica? The
only reason why Metallica is not headlining is that the media has hyped up
Axl's antics, not because they are less talented than GNR. In fact, any
band less talented than GNR might as well hang it up and find jobs at
Burger King.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
From: walkera@cco.caltech.edu (Walker Aumann)
Subject: Re: Song after Green Hell
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:55:18 GMT

<JOB102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>At the very end of the Garage Days tape/CD there is a few second piece that
>sounds like Iron Maiden's Run to the Hills.  Does anyone know if that's what
>it is and why the whole thing isn't included?

Well, they played this little bit on the Justice tour at the end of 1988.
Yep, it's _Run_to_the_Hills_.  Sorry, they didn't know any more of it than
that.

Walker
From: c3088@moncol.monmouth.edu (CHRIS CANE)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Sandman Interpretations
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:34:35 GMT
Distribution: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

While we're on this thread, does anybody have an interpretation
for "Enter Sandman"?  I think it's about Hetfield's disillusionment
as a child with his "churchy" upbringing, and how nightmares haunted
him until the "sandman" (Satan) comes.  Judging by the video, M.'s
message is good, innocence vs. evil, fear, that sort of thing.

___________________________________________________________________
|\/| |_| |\| |\/| |_| \_/  |  |-|            |_ |_| |_ |_ |- |_- |-
Christopher E. Cane                       c3088@moncol.monmouth.edu
Beer Lover By Choice                       Computer User By Fortune
From: kevin.christensen@madness.network23.com (Kevin Christensen) 
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: RE: METALLICA TAPES NEEDE
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:21:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Terminal Madness BBS - Newport, RI - 401-848-9069
Reply-To: kevin.christensen@madness.network23.com (Kevin Christensen) 

        Pictures???  You took pictures??  Iwas standing right ext to
you..  Really??  I guess it's been longer than I tought..