HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kja@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (krista.j.anderson)
Subject: Re: request for info on egg consumption
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:03:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.000419.20930@netcom.com>, feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
> One fact about eggs not generally known is that eggs have, in addition
> to cholesterol, sufficient lecithin to emulsify the cholesterol so
> that the cholesterol can pass through cell walls and be metabolized.
> Almost all other sources of cholesterol have no lecithin whatsoever.

That lecithin lowers cholesterol is another myth propagated by the
late Adelle Davis, but modern studies have not shown evidence that
this is true.

     The theory is that dietary lecithin somehow breaks up lipids
     and "washes" them out of the body.  The cholesterol-lowering
     claims are bolstered by animal expericments showing that
     lecithin injected into rabbits reduced the effects of a
     high-cholesterol diet.  Intravenous lecithin may alter plasma
     lipoproteins, causing them to be cleared by abnormal
     processes, which is not necessarily a good thing.  Dietary
     lecithin does not have the same effects as that injected
     directly into the bloodstream, since the digestive process
     breaks it down into its component parts. [1, p 82]

Also note that lecithin can be synthesized, so it is not an
essential nutrient.  However, if lecithin is used as an
emulsifier *instead* of egg yolk, well, then you are avoiding 274 mg
of dietary cholesterol, so why not.

However, the book below says that commercial preparations of
lecithin are usually only about 3% lecithin.  In Harold McGee's
newest book on kitchen science (i forget title), he discusses his
numerous experiments in using less and less egg yolk to emulsify
sauces.  Slightly frozen egg yolk will emulsify more oil (i seem to
recall) and he found that far fewer yolks were needed to make
mayonnaise than are usually used. 

Reference
1. Herbert, Victor, et all, eds., _The Mount Sinai School of
Medicine Complete Book of Nutrition_, NY: St. Martin's Press, 1990.
-- 
Krista Anderson
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From: fritz@fc.sde.hp.com (Gary Fritz)
Subject: Re: Are there any dietary magic bullets to lower cholestrol?
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:20:09 GMT

Timothy Freeman (tsf@CS.CMU.EDU) wrote:
: Lots of niacin can get the job done, although too much niacin can
: destroy your liver.  Others have recently discussed niacin for
: cholesterol reduction in this newsgroup; the discussion mentioned one
: fellow who changed brands of niacin without his doctor's supervision
: and destroyed his liver.  Caveat emptor; I'm not going to pay anyone's
: liver transplant bills.

Minor but important correction:  it wasn't BRANDS of niacin, it was the
FORM of niacin.  The person in question (I posted that quote) changed
from the "crystalline niacin" being prescribed and monitor by his doctor
to "sustained-release niacin" from his local health-food store.  The
SRN was what caused the problem.

According to research I have read, the safest and most efficacious form
of niacin for treating hyperlipidemia is inositol hexaniacinate, or IHN.
Doses of several grams per day have been monitored with no side effects.

Gary
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford)
Subject: Re: Are there any dietary magic bullets to lower cholestrol?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:01:28 GMT

Stephen Klautky writes
> 
> I presume you are concerned about high cholesterol because of the
> associated risks with health.  My understanding of this area is
> that high cholesterol levels (>200) is only one risk factor.  You
> should look at the HDL/LDL ratios too.  Remember, risk factors
> are determined by looking at large amounts of data which have a
> considerable number of variables that cannot all be controlled.  I
> guess what I'm trying to say is that if you have a cholesterol
> level over 200 don't panic.  Low-fat diets are a reasonable start.
> Couple that with regular exercise and you'll be better off.  Boy,
> now wasn't that boring advice.
> 
> Steve (cholesterol=130) Klautky     AGOODRID@VAXA.WEEG.UIOWA.EDU
> :-)  even with eating donuts, pate, cheese, bacon, eggs, etc. :-)

You got it.
	HDL/LDL ratio is satisfactory.  Diet is already  
semi-vegitarian; what red meat that's left is visibly fat free. Resting  
pulse in the morning is usually 48-52.  And I'm already putting in 75  
miles a week of exercise.  
	At this point the only obvious sources of fat to cut out are  
milk (currently 2%) and cheese. 
	But cholesterol is 250, and the doc wants that to come down.
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Eating spoiled food reduces lifetime?
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:59:21 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford) wrote:
> Nancy Lebovitz writes
>> I've dealt with this by keeping oil in the refrigerator after I open it--
>> this certainly keeps it from _tasting_ rancid. Does anyone know if that's
>> sufficient evidence that it isn't oxidizing, or at least not oxidizing
>> enough to matter? 
> Taste is pretty sensitive, so your actions would seem reasonable.
> If you are really concerned get an accordian squeeze bottle from your  
> local photo supply store.  (Used to keep developing solutions)  These
> allows you to squeeze all the air out first.  

These don't really work, even for photographic use: they're made of
polythene, which is oxygen-permeable.  And the way you use photographic
solutions is to return them to the bottle after use, which is not the way
you use most cooking oils; if you recycle frying oil you're clearly not
going to be worried about rancidity.  These accordion bottles are designed
for that sort of use; they have limited compressibility and will run out of
squish after half the contents have been depleted.  At that point they will
make the problem worse by providing a larger reaction surface.  What works
better is oxygen-impermeable dark glass bottles with the dead space filled
with nitrogen or some other inert gas (which seems like overkill for home
food storage) or with the used volume replaced by marbles (which runs the
risk of smashed marbles in your wok when pouring the oil out).

> Alternately, transfer to small bottles and freeze the ones that aren't  
> in use.

Sounds like a better idea (even without the freezing, if you fill the
bottles completely and keep them in the dark).

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From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Subject: Re: Milk and Mucous
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:22:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.004200.25902@ninja.zso.dec.com> rcrowley@donne.zso.dec.com (Rebecca Crowley) writes:
>My pediatrician diagnosed
>this as a milk allergy and had me put on soy milk, eventually working
>me over to skim milk and later 2% by the time I was about 8.  The problem
>worsened again (partly my fault -- I started trying to eat ice cream) in
>my late teens and I am now unable to drink even skim milk.  

I was also diaganosed as having a milk allergy when I was a child, and
put on powdered skim milk for a month, and then regular skim milk after.
I have often wondered about this--isn't milk allergy an immune response
to milk *protein*?  I can understand how powdered milk could help
because the processing presumably denatures the protein, and may make 
it less allergenic, but  what difference does it make whether your 
milk has more or less fat (eg 2% vs skim)?  (As a matter of fact, I think
that skim milk is sometimes fortified with "milk solids" (= milk protein?)
to improve its texture.  And I know people with milk allergies who can
eat butter, but cannot eat margarine because of the added milk solids.) 

-- 
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(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Sulfites
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:13:58 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) wrote:
> I have recently discovered that an allergy to beer, which I thought
> was caused by my allergy to mold, is actually an allergy to sulfites.
> I have also discovered that sulfites are an additive to beers and not
> a byproduct of the manufacturing process, therefore, there are beers
> which do not contain sulfites.  
> What I am looking for is a list of beers that do not contain sulfites.
> I would appreciate as long a list as I can find, which hopefully
> contains darker beers as well.

The problem isn't with the beer itself, but what it comes in.  Most
breweries use sulphites in bottle washing (and possibly other containers,
like kegs).  So the same beer might contain sulphite in its bottled and keg
versions but not in cans or draught (example: Caledonian Golden Promise
organic beer).  You should be OK with any brewpub stuff.

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Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young)
Subject: Re: niacin and the NIH
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 22:20:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.101327.1@skcla.monsanto.com> 
   mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>>>
>>>"NIACIN IS "A FIRST CHOICE DRUG" FOR PREVENTION OF CORONARY HEART DISEASE,
>>>NIH PANEL SAYS;..."
>> 
>> So, where's the word "BEST"?   Simple, it wasn't mentioned.
>> 
>What does FIRST CHOICE mean to YOU????
>  "Any moron" would understand that the term first choice doesn't mean "worst"

[...]

	Excuse me for butting in, but I think there's a semantic problem
	here.  "First choice" may well not mean "worst", but it doesn't
	necessarily mean "best," as in "most efficacious," either.  From
	the paragraph presented, it looks like the recommendation is being
	made on the basis of several other factors AS WELL AS efficacy;
	that is, it gives acceptable performance at a reasonable price with
	well understood and relatively benign side-effects.  Other drugs
	may work better, but may have more serious side-effects or signifi-
	cantly greater cost, for example.

	The point is, you must define precisely what is meant by "best"
	before any agreement is possible.  If you do this, I suspect that
	you'll find that you and Steve essentially agree, at least with the
	NIH statement's intent.  Whether you'll ever agree on the wisdom
	of self-treatment with a drug capable of causing serious damage in
	theraputic doses is another question altogether.


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
From: Rosemary Waigh <rwaigh@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Are there any dietary magic bullets to lower cholestrol?
Reply-To: rwaigh@zooid.UUCP (Rosemary Waigh)
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:20:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.180457.23321@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (Sherwood Botsford) writes:
>Subject says it all.


You could try a low-fat vegan diet (though I'm not sure if this qualifies
as a magic bullet).
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: cathy@techbook.com (Cathy Gaupo)
Subject: indigestion
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:17:00 GMT

I've heard the commercials that if you have indigestion very 
often, you should see your doctor.  My boyfriend suffers a lot from it.
Frequently, he has to take alka-setlzer or tums just to calm down the
irritation and/or the flem.  So my question is what is the problem.
I want to show him something about why he should see his doctor.
Could someone one fill me in on this?
If it's not that serious, should he wait until his next scheduled
check-up?  Should he make an appointment sooner?  

I appreciate all those who take the time to respond.


Cathy

cathy@techbook.com



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From: auwen@convex.com (John David Auwen)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Does the Human Brain have Pain Receptors ?
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:16:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.auwen.721336589
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <17347@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>                        That is why, contrary to popular belief,
>brain tumors don't cause headache until they are large enough to
>distort the brain structures considerably.  By the time your
>brain tumor is large enough to cause a headache, you are in
>quite a mess, usually.  

Oh no, now I'm paranoid that I've got a hidden brain tumor that I 
won't know about until it's too late!  half ;-)

Seriously, how are most tumors detected and is it usually too late 
by then?   What symptoms should we watch out for?

Thanks,
Dave
auwen@convex.com
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: ortiz@susan.cs.andrews.edu (Victor Ortiz)
Subject: MEDICAL INFORMATICS 
Organization: Andrews University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:10:33 GMT

Does anybody know of universities that have Medical Informatics programs?

Please respond to me directly.

Thanx, Victor Ortiz
[ortiz@susan.cs.andrews.edu]

Newsgroups: sci.med
From: kpc@pluto.arc.nasa.gov (k p c)
Subject: Re: Seasonal Affective Disorder - Light Treatments
Reply-To: kpc@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center AI Research Branch; Sterling.
	<1992Nov04.041450.15925@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> <17416@pitt.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:28:10 GMT

In article <17416@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:

   >He also loves winter, not just the bright, sunny winter days, the gray

   I know a lot of people who like fall and who don't like to live in
   places like California and Hawaii.  As for me, the other seasons
   should get 1 week each, leaving 49 weeks of summer!

what are good potential therapies for such reverse-SAD people?  (other
than leaving california, texas, or hawaii?)
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: hank@well.sf.ca.us (Hank Roberts)
Subject: Re: Seasonal Affective Disorder - Light Treatments
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:26:49 GMT

In <27922@castle.ed.ac.uk> cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:

>In article <1992Nov8.194753.14292@netcom.com> hank@netcom.com (Hank Roberts) writes:

>>>Aha! So if one can be blind, and suffer from SAD, then it is clearly
>>>not necessary to _look_ at the light!

>>That does not logically follow.

>I'm afraid it does. You mention blind people with circadian rythm
>problems and depression, for example, and your arguments in general
>are all based on doubting my premisses, which has nothing to do with
>logical consequence (although it does of course affect the truth of
>the conclusion).  But I specifically mentioned SAD -- which follows
>the seasonal changes in light, and is known to be due to the seasonal
>changes in light. Consequently, if a blind person suffers from SAD,
>then _looking_ at the light cannot be _necessary_. I chose those words
>carefully: I said "necessary" rather than "helpful", for example. Of
>course, being blind does not necessarily mean lack of other retinal
>functions. That's why I was careful to say "look".
>-- 
>Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
>Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
>5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
I believe you're arguing from a theory; all I've been doing is cautioning
you that if you do, as you suggested, try to treat SAD by using
ultraviolet "tanning" lights, that you had better keep your eyes covered.

Should you find any citations to successful treatment of seasonal
depression by use of bright lights, or UV light, with eyes covered, I would
be most interested in seeing them.

Best of luck with your endeavors and do let us know how they work out.
It would certainly be useful if it works out.

We agree (as did another poster here recently) that other retinal
functions may work even for a blind person. Nevertheless: keep your
eyes covered in the presence of bright ultraviolet light, is my advice.
From: starfish@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Smarter than the Average Blur)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Mercury fillings
Date: 7 Nov 1992 16:43:36 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


Are they still used and if not, when did they stop being used?

-Alan Waterman
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: pdsmith.mitre.org (Pat Smith)
Subject: bronchitis treatment??
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:51:31 GMT

what are the treatments for bronchitis -
From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: growing pains?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 22:23:53 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I've heard that drinking milk (or other calcium-rich foods) can contribute
to growing pains.  I know I had growing pains very badly as a child, and
I drank a lot of milk.  As an adult, I've noticed that eating milk or tofu
makes me susceptible to terrible muscle spasms in my legs which occur at
night.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: sarah@homespace.mtview.ca.us (Sarah Beizer)
Subject: Any info on neurological condition?
Reply-To: sarah@homespace.mtview.ca.us
Organization: Expert Support Inc., Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:37:26 GMT

My father's doctor has said his neurological examination and history are
  ``compatible with an  olivopontocerebellar atrophy of uncertain 
    etiology.  The cause of this illness is frequently undetermined.''

His symptoms are loss of balance, speach slurring, blurry vision and 
damage to his brain that controls motor skills.  This seems to be a 
condition that only gets worse.  He is on medication and is taking 
physical therapy.  The doctors don't seem to know what caused his 
condition, possibly a virus.  All tests concerning strokes or heart 
conditions are negative.  I would appreciate any information that 
could give us more knowledge on his condition and if there is anything 
that can help.

Thanks for any help.

Sarah Beizer  (sarah@homespace.mtview.ca.us)
From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Robot surgeons?
Date: 7 Nov 92 22:48:30 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada

Are robots being used to perform surgery? How well do they work?

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca
From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Baclofen - It Works!
Date: 7 Nov 92 04:33:44 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <1992Nov6.163945.28458@netcom.com>, lindae@netcom.com writes:
[about baclofen for vertigo]

Thanks for that tip.  I'm always looking for new medications to try
for vertigo.  I don't have any explanation for why it would work.

David Nye
nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu
From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: 8 glasses of water a day?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 09:15:34 -0600
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu
Summary: When thirsty, one should drink.

-*----
In article <23818@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL> laura@TASVAX.NSWSES.NAVY.MIL writes:
> I saw a commercial for a health insurance company that said we 
> should drink 8 glasses of water every day because our bodies
> *use* eight glasses of water every day. ...

The amount of water one requires in a day varies greatly with
activity and environment.  I can easily expend (through
perspiration) eight glasses of water on a short bicycle ride in
the summer.  On the other hand, sitting in an air-conditioned
office performing only minimal physical effort, I will expend
less. 

The body will conserve water when necessary, by producing less
urine and less perspiration.  One should drink enough fluids so
that this is not necessary.  This is generally easy.  People do
not accidentally dehydrate themselves for the same reason they do
not accidentally starve themselves: when our bodies need more
food or water, they make us hungry or thirsty.  There are
circumstances when people are likely to expend water so rapidly
that they may not drink enough.  If one is exercising heavily or
working in unaccustomed heat, it is a good idea to consciously
drink sufficient water.  Otherwise, unless one suffers a disease
that disrupts it, the natural response to thirst will keep one
hydrated. 

Russell
Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.skeptic,talk.origins,aus.politics
From: adpeters@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Andy Peters)
Subject: Re: Inoculation aggro
Organization: Program in Evolution, Ecology, and Behavior, Indiana University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:39:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.095336.4191@darwin.ntu.edu.au> salter_duke@darwin.ntu.edu.au writes:
[deletions]
>However, this campaign is being attacked by a local loony who is against
>all forms of vaccination.  He is using a mixture of hard work (or 
>fanaticism), taking very old articles, choosing quotations out of
>context, lies & misleading information.   He is fairly literate and the
>local paper prints his letters.
>
>The question: should my friend, and the local medical community,
>take this nutter on in public debate?  Will he get more publicity
>by a debate and have his views more widespread?  Or should they ignore
>him?

Before I made a recommendation, I would request more information:  on
what basis does the crackpot reject vaccination?  How educated, in general (no
offense meant) are the local people?  How well-respected is the loony?

Then, once I got that information, I would probably suggest that your
friend take him on.  Vaccination is nowhere near as emotion-arousing
as, say, evolution, and, since your friend & the medical community
will (I assume) trounce the loony, it will lead to as much publicity
for you as for him.

>Please delete cross-postings as appropriate.

Actually, I would be interested in hearing why this person is so
fanatical against vaccinations.

>Linden Salter-Duke		email: SALTER_DUKE@DARWIN.NTU.EDU.AU
>Darwin, Australia		Snail: Box 40146, Casuarina, NT 0811
 ^^^^^^I want to visit!

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