From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Moving from X to Y.
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:50:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.174213.2905@nosc.mil> discar@nosc.mil (Joe Discar) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.215634.5030@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>
>>Oh, speaking of inconsistencies, try this one.  Open the File Manager
>>and drag a file from one directory to another directory on the same
>>drive.  Then try it going from one drive to another drive.  I HATE
>>this.  They should have made them act the same.  A 'plain drag' should
>>have either always been copy or always been move, and not depended on
>>whether you were going to someplace on the same drive or to a
>>different drive.
>>
>>BLECH!
>>
>
>Fred, I've reached the conclusion that you must be the most opinionated
>person I've ever corresponded with.  This, in itself, is not bad.  Opinions
>are what make an individual an individual.  But not being able to recognize
>the *virtues* of other ideas is what makes your posts... obnoxious.  (If
>anyone disagrees with me, please feel free to email me).

Well gee, Joe, pardon the hell out of me for daring to have an opinion
in front of Your Holy Mightiness.  I'm opinionated because I won't let
you redefine standard english usage to mean what Joe Discar wants it
too?  Fine.  Your opinion would seem to be worth what we've paid for it.

>
>This "plain drag" that you're complaining about has been a feature of the
>Macintosh operating system (that you've on at least one occasion, advocated
>as one of the best GUIs around).  Try plain drag a file from one folder to
>another (it moves it, no?).  Now try dragging it to another drive (if you 
>don't *have* another driver, drag it to the floppy)--it *copies* it, neh?

You apparently have me confused with someone else, Joe.  I can't speak
to the Mac GUI because I don't have any experience with it.  If you
have a note of mine which does what you claim, I'd like to see it.  I
don't think I said anything like that, except perhaps in describing
what testing with  Real Live Users (tm) has shown.

>
>And, I, for one like this just fine.  It has advantages: one cannot 
>accidentally delete a file from the hard disk (if someone was just trying to
>give his coworker a copy of a file).  On a PC, one cannot "accidentally"
>put a file from his local partition to a partition that he doesn't normally
>have access to (ie, a network drive)--and then lose his local copy.

One can, however, drag a file from one directory to a test directory,
thinking that one is getting a copy, and then delete the test copy
when done; only to find, of course, that it wasn't a copy at all, but
a move -- and the file is now gone.

>
>Yes, I see your viewpoint.  You wish consistency--which, at least in this
>aspect, would have its own advantages and disadvantages.  But what is one
>man's trash is another man's treasure.  What is one man's bug is another
>man's feature.  Either way the MMI is designed, it will upset somebody
>somewhere...

No, Joe, I was addressing a compaint that someone expressed with WPS
in OS/2 about the mouse buttons acting slightly different and how that
wasn't consistent and was bad and that Windows was therefore better.
Well, big surprise.  Windows has its own inconsistencies.  Shall we
now see equal time given to bashing Windows by that Windows fan who
was *SO* upset about the mouse buttons in WPS?  No, I thought not.


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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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