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From: gates@informatik.hu-berlin.de (M.Gates)
Subject: Satanism and Gothdom?
Organization: Humboldt University Berlin, Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:09:14 GMT

Since coming to Germany, time and time again, I have been confronted
with gothlings here who ardently believe that Satanism is the only
appropriate spiritual orientation for scenesters. In the States,
I had always associated that sort of behavior with the Metal
scene...color me surprised. 

The more contact I have with these people, the more disconnected
I feel with the (self-proclaimed) goth-scene here. I am curious
as to how common that religious form really is in Gothdom. Is
it purely theatrical? Aleister Crowly has been trendy for years,
but I thought interest in him had waned finally...         

For me, the mysticism and spirituality of gothic subculture
has nothing to do with cults or organized religions...it is
an aesthetic perspective. I personally have always connected
with Catholic iconography, imagery, etc.  Who needs to look
outside the Church for dark inspiration...what with the
crucified image of Christ, the death-cults, the witch and
heretic persecutions all *within* that institution, there  
would seem to be more than enough morbidity, horror, 
mystery to provide endless amusement and entertainment.
I certainly do not believe in anything that the Church
teaches, but that does not mean that I do not find its 
symbolism, its art, its tradition deeply fascinating.
Is not that tradition, that looking back to medieval
mystery, the very core of the subculture, coupled
perhaps with elements of Romanticism from the Nineteenth
Century in Europe (a movement which itself looked
back to the Middle Ages and the Church for fantastic
imagery... e.g. ghost-stories and horrific fairy-tales)?

The satanic phenomena here deeply perplexes me. I just
do not understand the link....Are they all just 
confused children filled with an overabundance of
Angst or is it truly a part of the scene? Anyone have
a clue as to the relationship between Gothdom and
these new cults? I personally fear that they are robbing
the movement of its majesty, its beauty, its dark
splendor...

				--margaret
				(gates@informatik.hu-berlin.de)

***********living in a world where shadow is the substance******************
************************of reality*******************************************

Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: msherman@zeus.UWaterloo.ca (Marc Sherman)
Subject: Re: Bauhaus' "Bela Lugosi's Dead"
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:19:04 GMT

In article <9211171805@ltrnativ.UUCP> adammot@ltrnativ.UUCP (Adam Mottershead)  
writes:
> Just to end a longstanding confusion I have had about this song, I have
> decided to seek Net Wisdom(Tm).
> 
> The verse I can't seem to decipher is as follows...
> 
>        "The virginal brides, file past his tomb,
>         ________ flowers ____________ bloom.
>         Alone in a darkened room,
>         The count."
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> --
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>                                                                           --

Strewn with times dead flowers,
Bereft in deathly bloom....

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Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: t89par@tdb.uu.se (Par Svensson)
Subject: Re: Lyrics question
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:28:06 GMT

Chris Cannam (Cannam@dagobert.sc.ZIB-Berlin.de) wrote:
: 
: In article <mcdonghj.722449593@unix2.tcd.ie> mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie
: (Nascent Virion.....) writes:
: |
: |   >"I don't 
: |   >sleep, so I don't dream, so I don't wake up frightened"
: |
: |   No Time to Cry     - Sisters of Mercy....  I think.
: 
: 
: Isn't it `On The Wire'?
: 
: 						Chris
Yes, it is.

/Par
From: tcschmit@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Tom Schmitendorf)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: That You (poem) -- C&C Welcome
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:35:05 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University


That You

razor edged soap like
mirrors reflecting doors
opening into tanks
of emoted self

shadows at play
upon lighted eyes
grinning evilly towards
the embittered sky

effervescent pool
glistens sickly
black silk gleaning
quietly strangled stars
from rooftops

fridge shatters on
sinks roasting eloquently
candle lit bagels
smothered in drying
urine from the walls
et quickly


Tom Schmitendorf
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: msherman@zeus.UWaterloo.ca (Marc Sherman)
Subject: Urgent request for info!  HELP!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:26:00 GMT

Help!  I need a little bit of information URGENTLY (ie: in the next two  
hours...)

Does anyone out there remember the title of the Beatles record which was  
covered by the Slovenian band Laibach about 5 years ago?

Please reply by email to msherman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca  Thanks.

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| msherman@zeus.uwaterloo.ca | Marc Sherman ----------- PVI Productions |
| 217 Delhi Ave., Suite 101  +------------------------------------------+
| Downsview, Ontario, Canada | Gemutlich, gemutlich, GEMUTLICH!         |
| 519/884-5229  416/630-3336 | Die Welt ist gemutlich mit die Kasewaffe.|
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Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: conner@qucis.queensu.ca (Mike Conner)
Subject: Re: Bauhaus' "Bela Lugosi's Dead"
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:31:01 GMT


adammot@ltrnativ.UUCP (Adam Mottershead) writes:

> Just to end a longstanding confusion I have had about this song, I have
> decided to seek Net Wisdom(Tm).

> The verse I can't seem to decipher is as follows...

>       "The virginal brides, file past his tomb,
>        ________ flowers ____________ bloom.
>        Alone in a darkened room,
>        The count."

>Any help would be appreciated.

HERE IS SOME HELP:

       "The virginal brides, file past his tomb,
        ________ flowers 'be wrapped in deadly' bloom.
        Alone in a darkened room,
        The count."

I THINK, THAT (enough of this caps crap) is a very hard line to decipher.
I think the line deals with the women putting flowers on his tomb.  I will
listen to the CD again tonight and post the results tomorrow.\

-Mike

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From: karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic,alt.pagan,alt.magick,rec.games.frp.misc
Subject: Re: Tarot Card Meanings
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:10:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Macro Computer Solutions, Inc., Chicago, IL

In article <1992Nov15.154456.20923@news.unomaha.edu> dburgdor@cwis.unomaha.edu (Darryl Burgdorf) writes:
>
>Re:  Your request for a "list" of the meanings of the various cards in the
>Tarot deck ....
>
>The first and most obvious problem with that request is that the Tarot cards
>do not have set "meanings".  Their location within the layout can influence
>how they're interpreted, as can, in fact, the specific layout you use.

Further, there are, in my experience, no set "meanings" of the cards.  There
are particular parts of symbolism; it is, however, the interaction with the
querant and the reader (and the spread in use) which presents the full meaning.

Those who read strictly by a book -- any book -- are obtaining less than the
full interpretation available.

--
Karl Denninger (karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM, <well-connected>!ddsw1!karl)
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From: ashaw@ruacad.ac.runet.edu (Eldritch)
Subject: poem
Summary: another poem
Organization: Radford University
Distribution: alt.gothic
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:01:32 GMT

   DEAR DREAM


   In your hair of darkest night
   And in your eyes, my grim delight
   I wake to faces always seeming
   Turn out the light, go back to dreaming.

   Light the match, ignite the flame
   Let inhibition not remain
   I'll take you, if you have the time
   And in your flame myself define.

   Of dreaming things I'll tell you more,
   Of dreams that wash up on the shore,
   Of driftwood on the meted wave,
   The blood of dreams that sleepers crave,

   Of sands that crust the waking eye,
   And dreams that make the wakened sigh,
   Of never seen but known on sight,
   And infant dreamers' maiden flight.

   So take me up with gentle kiss
   From mundane world to ethered bliss
   Away to lands of shadow-make
   Let body, soul, and mind partake.

(c) 1991 by Adam Shaw
From: mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon")
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Rubicon... A review.
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:01:10 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

sut@dsbc.icl.co.uk  writes:
> I was disappointed to see on the sleeve notes that it was made at "The hit
> factory", (for those of you who don't know that's the PWL stable who
> turned out artists such as Kylie, Jason Donovan, Bananarama and Rick Astley)
> they aren't the first, that one-legged horse The Danse Society sold their
> soul there too and lost the few goth fans they had left :*(

Maybe I'm naive or something, but does it really matter what
studio it was recorded in?  I would think information like the
producer would be much more important...
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon")
Subject: Damned fan club?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:38:38 GMT

Does anyone know if the Damned fan club still exists?  I wrote
to them once about two years ago, they sent me a sample
newsletter and subscription information, I sent them money to
subscribe (with an international money order), and never heard
from them again.  After about eight months, I had the post
office do a trace on it, and the money order had never been
cashed.  I got my money back, but I would still seem to be
lacking in information about what the various members of the
band are up to.
	 By the way, does anyone know what happened to
the Phantom Chords album that was supposed to have come out
quite some time ago?
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon")
Subject: Re: Top 10 Goth Albums, anyone?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:07:26 GMT

henk@cs.vu.nl  writes:
> mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon") writes:
> 
> > 2. The Sisters of Mercy - "Enter the Sisters" (bootleg)
> 
>   I can live with these bands in the "Goth Top 40" :-),  but I would
>  pick some other albums. E.g DCD/DCD, Bauhaus/Mask, SoM/only the first 12"s
>   Pornography is great indeed.

"Enter the Sisters" is a collection of the first 12"
releases...  I personally think it's a better collection than
SGWbM is.  The only problem with it is a flaw on the end of
"Alice" that makes it make a loud popping sound.  I'm not sure
if they're all like this, or if it's just mine...  The sound
quality on the disc is good enough to be a legitimate release.

Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: nbrao@athena.mit.edu (?????)
Subject: Re: virgin prunes
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:50:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.031314.5214@tc.cornell.edu>, graham_t@vger.cheme.cornell.edu writes:
|> 
|> 	I realise this is probably a very silly question , but are there
|> 	any Virgin Prunes releases still available ?
|> 	Has anybody seen such a thing in the U.S. ? No chance of finding
|> 	anything interesting in this dinky little town , but a friend of
|> 	mine got If I die x 2 in L.A. years ago ...

I bought "If I Die, I Die" a couple months ago at Tower Records here in
Boston.  They also had about 3 other albums by the Prunes there, too.  
They were all imported, though.  Quite expensive.  

Nhan
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: rwatkins@cmcvx1.claremont.edu
Subject: WANTED: Seattle Goth Clubs
Organization: Claremont McKenna College
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:56:45 PST


	Does anyone know of ANY Gothic / Industrial clubs in the Seattle area?


	It looks like I am moving up there in December, and I'll have to give
up my weekly trip to Helter Skelter, here in LA.  Hopefully I can find some
club in Seattle to replace it.

	Also, any goth record stores and clothing shops (ie. good thrift
stores) would be appreciated.

	Please email responses, and I'll summarize and repost, as I dont get a
chance to check this newsgroup daily.

--- Ryan @ Helter Skelter

rwatkins@cmcvx1.claremont.edu
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Subject: Re: I Wander by Mistake (was: Sisters (was: Top 10 Goth Albums, anyone?
Originator: cmgeorg@c00555-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:58:22 GMT


In article <1992Nov23.145819.10586@ncsu.edu>, cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS) writes:
|>
|>On a related note, does anyone know if the "Long Train" 12" is available
|>on CD?
|>
|>-chris
|>

Sorry guys, I meant the _Lucretia My Reflection_ 12".

-chris

 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++                                                                           
 +      Chris Georgoulias                                                    +
 + North Carolina State University                                           +
 +     cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu                                                  +
 +                                                                           +
 + "Aah... who cares about school...who cares about life...who cares about   +
 +  me.  Not me, that's for sure!  Look!...(punches himself in the head)..   +
 +  ...I just don't care!"                                                   +
 +                                       -Vyvian,  The Young Ones            +                                             
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: mlc9g@Virginia.EDU ("Matt Condon")
Subject: Re: Top 10 Goth Albums, anyone?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:50:11 GMT

bthompso@reed.edu  writes:
> You happened to pick some of the least gothic albums from all of these
> artists...
> 

Where the fuck do you get off telling me what's goth and what's
not?

> First of all, Burning from the Inside is basically a pop album.  It
> was recorded when Peter Murphy was out with mono, and consequently has
> very little of his heroine induced influence on it.  A better gothic
> Bauhaus album would be either Press the Eject and Give me the Tape or
> In The Flat Field.  

Pop????  Get real.  The only song I can see on there that could
be considered pop by even a longshot would be "Slice of Life".
I know Peter Murphy was out during some of the recording, but
so what?  He's on most of the album.  Burning has a lot more
variety musically than most of the previous albums (except
maybe Sky's Gone Out)... It has some of the really heavy
material like on the previous albums, but it also has songs
like "Who Killed Mr. Moonlight" to provide somewhat of a break
from that.  I like it more... If you don't, that's nice, I
won't bother you if you don't bother me...
By the way, since when did "heroince induced influence" make
something more goth?

> The Dead Can Dance album you recommended is also a shoddy pick in my
> mind.  If it is a greatest hits album, trash it, burn it, stomp up and
> down on it... All Greatest hits albums are evil and so is this one.
> Aion is an excellent album, and so is the Spleen and Ideal, and The
> Serpent's Egg.  I don't know that you can call any one of them better
> than the other, but they certainly aren't that gothic.  Unless you
> consider things in unknown languages gothic by the mere fact that you
> don't know what language they are in.

Sorry, that's the only DCD album available as a domestic right
now, and I have more important things to import...  As for why
I consider them goth, the main reason I was willing to put them
on was because they're brought up enough on this group that I
thought they must be considered goth by a lot of people (I
never thought of them that way before reading this group
either, but whatever...).
Also, while we're ripping on hits albums, what do you call Press the
Eject Button and Give Me the Tape?  Sure it's live, but it's
still nothing more than a collection of Bauhaus hits...

> Third your list also lacks a significant number of true gothics such
> as Diamanda Galas.  That is one Gothic woman...  Please come back some
> day when you have a more insightful list to offer to the world.

If you think you have better suggestions, why don't you post
them instead of bitching...  My main reason for wanting to
start this was to get suggestions from other people of things I
might be missing, not to hear them bitch about my personal
choices...
 
> -- 
> Benjamin Thompson                     My views are my own, as far as I know...
> bthompso@reed.edu                     I go to Reed College --- You can trust me
From: nephilim@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Mistake, don't read it!
Date: 21 Nov 92 22:44:09 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services
From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (Pete French)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Marionettes UK album/tour dates
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:10:46 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

Marionettes have a new album "Book Of Shadows" out this week to accompany the
single "Kisses" which is already on release (and made a small impact in the
indie charts a week or so ago).

They are touring to promote the new releases, date are :

20th - BIRMINGHAM  Hummingbird
21st - NOTTINGHAM  Rock City
26th - LONDON      Marquee
27th - YORK        Fibbers
29th - BRISTOL     Fleece & Firkin

Support on all dates is Black Vinyl Lust.

I am promoting the York date, so if you're in the area then come along !
That gig will be priced at 3.00 or 2.50 for a student/unemployed - Fibbers is
along the Stonebow in the centre of York.

cheers.

-bat.

-- 
-Pete French. (the -bat. )    -+
Adaptive Systems Engineering   |
                               +- Tuktusiuriagatigitqingnapinngitkyptinnga!
Newsgroups: alt.gothic,rec.music.industrial
From: haller@iitb.fhg.de (R. Haller)
Subject: Neuer Gothic/Industrial Club bei Karlsruhe
Organization: Institut fuer Informations- und Datenverarbeitung
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:03:58 GMT


Seit letzten Samstag (14.11) gibt es in der Naehe von Karlsruhe
einen neuen Gothic/Industrial Club namens Bukowsky. Betrieben 
wird er von Art Konkret, die auch schon im Tempel in KA die Platten
aufgelegt haben, und seit einiger Zeit mittwochs im Blue Fish Club
in HD im Schwimmbad Music Club. 
Jeden Samstag ist der Club von 21.00 bis 3.00 geoeffnet, der Eintritt
kostet 5,- DM.

Wegbeschreibung:
BAB 5 KA-HD Ausfahrt Bruchsal oder Kronau, Richtung Ubstadt-Weier,
in Weier weiter Richtung Stettfeld, dort weiter Richtung Zeutern.
Das Bukowsky liegt einige km hinter Zeutern direkt an der Strasse
nach Odenheim.

Bis die Tage...

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* This posting has nothing to do with my employer (IITB)! It reflects    *
* only my opinion and my point of view. (Ralf Haller)                    *
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* Ralf Haller               * Gott ist tod, er starb in mit heute nacht! *
* phone: (0721)6091-233 or  * Gott ist tod, ich hab' ihn umgebracht!     *
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From: cluster@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (General Access)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Christian Death
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:27:12 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <BxqFJK.L3F@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ogre@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lestat) writes:

>I've had the _Only Theatre of Pain_ CD for quite a while now, and it is the
>only Xian Death album I own. I'm looking to get more. What about the stuff
>with Rozz? And Valor? Thanks...

 Buy Catastrophe Ballet ,Atrocities and then Iron Mask .
If you like valor ,check out a band called Pompei 99(???)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic,alt.music.alternative
From: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Subject: Re: Children of God
Originator: cmgeorg@c00065-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: alt
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:57:18 GMT


In article <CANNAM.92Nov19095242@quattro.sc.ZIB-Berlin.de>, Cannam@quattro.sc.ZIB-Berlin.de (Chris Cannam) writes:
|>
|>Can anyone tell me why the Swans' `Children of God' has
|>apparently not yet been reissued?  Does this make it the
|>only Swans album now out of print?  Will it be reissued
|>soon?  It's a bastard excellent album, but I never got
|>around to buying it when it was still available.
|>
|>					Chris
|>

About a month ago, in the record store, I saw someone picking up their
special-order copy of "Children of God" on CD.  It was $22.  So I guess
it's still available (on disc), but as an import.

-chris
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++                                                                           
 +      Chris Georgoulias                                                    +
 + North Carolina State University                                           +
 +     cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu                                                  +
 +                                                                           +
 + "Aah... who cares about school...who cares about life...who cares about   +
 +  me.  Not me, that's for sure!  Look!...(punches himself in the head)..   +
 +  ...I just don't care!"                                                   +
 +                                       -Vyvian,  The Young Ones            +                                             
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: grigis@disun37.epfl.ch (Christian Grigis)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: wish tour
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:51:17 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <1ed1kkINNcr0@ensta.ensta.fr>, sylvuck@peche6.ensta.fr (Sylvain Chretien) writes:
|> 
|>  	I've just seen the cure on concert for their last album. I find it very 
|> very good. Even if it's not the CUre form the beginning, it's better than during
|> a period. Hope they will continue on this way.
|> 
|> 	Sylvain

	I saw them maybe a month ago, and I agree. The show was great, and there
were plenty of old songs, even from Pornography. None from Faith though :( .

	Oh, and Cranes were excellent too :) .

Christian
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