HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rr2b+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Robert Andrew Ryan)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: Hasn't the message line bogosity gone on long enough?
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:05:03 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 26-Aug-92 Re: Hasn't the
message line.. Zalman Stern@decwrl.dec. (810)

> If it overflows, build a dialog box with a large message line and pop
> that  up instead. See how people like that.

Unfortunately this can't really cover the case of a input request, since
the message line could grow substantially during input.

Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 26-Aug-92 Re: Hasn't the
message line.. Zalman Stern@decwrl.dec. (810)

> You could dynamically resize the  
> message line instead. Both of these should be relatively easy to do if I  
recall frameview at all. (Which I probably don't).

Yes this could be done without too much hacking on frameview, but the
runtime cost for the redraws could be prohibitive esp over slow
networks.  Another possible solution to this might be to give text a
notion of horizontal scrolling. (though not with a scrollbar please :-)

Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 26-Aug-92 Re: Hasn't the
message line.. Zalman Stern@decwrl.dec. (810)

> In general, message lines are a difficult proposition to manage properly
> in a graphical UI. Its 1970's (or perhaps 1960s) technology. I would say
> that  effort is better spent building a real dialog manager for ATK.
> Look at the  Macintosh Toolbox, MacApp, or MS-Windows for examples.

I actually believe one of the wins of ATK and Emacs (gnu and gosling)
over Macintosh Toolbox and Motif is the fact that they have a message
line.  In the Mac and Motif model, you have to pop up a dialog box for
any transient message,  obscuring part of a window most probably.  When
a message is purely informational this is a waste.

-Rob Ryan
Andrew Consortium


Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
From: yandros@Athena.MIT.EDU (Chad Phillip Brown)
Subject: Re: Hasn't the message line bogosity gone on long enough?
Organization: /mit/yandros/.organizations
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 07:34:04 GMT


  Zalman Stern: 

> Finally, forcing filename prompting into a message line is a lose. A
> good Macintosh file dialog is faster and easier to use.

Speaking as one of Bill Cattey's users and, if I get this latest
project finished RSN :-), one of his workers, I implore you: PLEASE,
PLEASE don't do this.  It's painfull enough now waiting a few seconds
for the silly dialog to map itself, and it seems, although someone
thoughtfully provided DialogPriority to get around this, most code
seem to be setting the priority to be very very near 100 or 1 (to the
point that a DialogPriority of 99 produces no noticable difference
from one of 50, for 2 full days of work each.)  It's almost to the
point where I'm considering writing code to deal with it...  My poor
VS3100 will thank you too, because right now I tend to tap the side of
it's monitor seven times rather forcibly whenever I'm waiting for
ANOTHER dialog to tell me something I already knew....

-C

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From: root@NIKE.RZ.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE ("Z. Horvat")
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: Questions about console
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:11:53 GMT
Organization: The Internet


Excerpts from mail: 27-Aug-92 Re: Questions about console Wayne D
Richardson@rchla (641+1)

> Excerpts from ext.misc.info-andrew: 25-Aug-92 Questions about console
> "Z. Horvat"@RCHGATE.rchl (793*)

>> I'm running the Andrew Toolkit on an IBM RS 6000 AIX 3.1.6.
>> Console seems to have some problems:

>> - Switching from the initial console display to another type of console
>> yields in the cursor beeing changed to the "clock" symbol, never
>> returning back to the normal pointer. The stat graphs behave normal.

> This problem seems to have appeared in the last release or so.  To show
> another aspect of it, grab and drag a console (interior) border with the
> right button;  when released, the resize icon[An Andrew ToolKit view (a
> footnote) was included here, but could not be displayed.] remains as the
> console pointer icon.

> -wr

It behaves just the way you said. Is there any bug fix or newer version
available ??

Greetings,

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From: wjh+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Fred Hansen)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: fonts when server differs
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:00:28 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Excerpts from mail: 2-Sep-92 Re: fonts when server differs Zalman
Stern@mv.us.adobe (1319)

the performance of font  operations may be significantly better than pixmaps.

I should have pointed out that I was not refering so much to sending
entire fonts for Andrew applications as to sending the few special
symbols that some applications want.  For instance the standard arrow
cursor and scrollbar symbols. In many cases these are used as cursors,
so it is reasonable to have them in pixmaps anyway.

Having a general font-download-from-application protocol would clearly
be preferable to the pixmap scheme.

FredH
From: wjh+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Fred Hansen)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: Hasn't the message line bogosity gone on long enough?
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:40:57 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

The message line was a full log of all messages under edittext.  If the
message line were made larger, a scrollbar would appear at the left,
just as in the console.

(BX was in most respects a step backward from edittext.)

Fred Hansen
From: zstern@mv.us.adobe.com (Zalman Stern)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: fonts when server differs
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:05:43 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Depending on the particular server, the performance of font  
operations may be significantly better than pixmaps. Server memory  
usage is also going to increase if each ATK application downloads its  
own set of pixmaps. So you end up tucking them under rocks (root  
window atoms) in the server to avoid that. Pretty soon you've  
implemented a distributed font cache protocol from hell.

There was some discussion on one of the X11 lists about allowing  
applications to download their own fonts. The proposed solution  
involved adding client connect and download funtionality to the X11R5  
font server protocol. The font server could then provide the font to  
the X11 server proper. (My memory is vague and I haven't followed  
X11R5 developments so some of this may be wrong.) This would be  
winning since the font would be downloaded once. A good download  
protocol would be able to negotiate the font format (preferably with  
the font server accepting all the known formats of interest and  
converting them on the fly).

ATK would check if the fonts were available, if not it could try to  
make them known "via the filesystem," and finally just download the  
font in question. For X terminals, things would be slow to startup  
because of the font downloads but the fonts would quickly be cached.

-Z-
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
From: aj681@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Carlin Wiegner)
Subject: Gettings off the mailing list...
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 21:58:41 GMT


Could someone please email me how to get off the mailing list for
the andrew interest group.  Thanks
CW
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From: harcoh@cs.kun.nl (Harco de Hilster)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: "slow networks"
Date: 31 Aug 92 08:32:40 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Excerpts from andrew.mailing-list: 28-Aug-92 Re: "slow networks" Bill
Cattey@athena.mit.e (1794*)


> I'd love to be able to read netnews with messages, but the prospect of
> plugging nntp into the message server libraries proved too daunting.
> I did attempt to read the code at the libms and the libcui layers, but I
just couldn't get it. 

> -wdc

Oops, adding netnews support through nntp was going to be my next
project. Every time someone starts using AMS, the first question is: can
I read netnews with it?

The limited support for reading netnews consists of pulling articles
from the net and storing them in the AMS format. We already store
megabytes of netnews articles on our nntp server, all one has to do is
ask for them.

>  Everywhere I looked were all these special cases
> that violated the abstraction barriers and got in the way.  Take the
> problem of trying to decide if one should use an nntp connection or a
> filesystem connection.  The library is so-structured that for every
> operation you would perform, you have to include all the mail path
> parsing code so you are able to pick either nntp or unix filesystem.
 
I haven't looked at the message server libraries close enough, but from
what I've seen so far in the ATK code I must agree that for an Object
Oriented Toolkit the code isn't very 'object oriented'. The patch from
Nathaniel Borenstein to allow private bulletin boards affected 16 files
in the message library. Basically it only changed the fileprotection
mask of .MS_MsgDir.
 
Personally I like the Gopher concept. In a directory is a file that
describes the type of information stored. That can be plain text or a
link to another Gopher site or a netnews tree (through nntp) or a
ftp-service or  .....  The abstraction is same, you must be able to ask
for the contents (captions), follow a link and get a particular item.

Inspite of the discouraging news from Craig I'am still going to try to
add netnews support. Any hints, previous work?

Regards,

Harco de Hilster.
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From: gk5g+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Gary Keim)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: messages and X windows
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:51:51 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Excerpts from misc: 31-Aug-92 messages and X windows Jason
Haar@cantsc.canter (764+0)

> PS: Anyone know how to load extra fonts on a VAXstation? I can't get ATK
> to run on them either - but this time a trace reveals its having font
problems... 

Yes, the CDROM contains the Andrew fonts in BDF format.  Look in
/cdrom/src/util/bdffonts.  You can convert these to SNF (if X11R[3,4])
by using bdftosnf or to PCF (if X11R5 or VaxStation?) by using bdftopcf.

Gary Keim
Andrew Consortium
From: ghoti+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Adam Stoller)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
Subject: Re: Hasn't the message line bogosity gone on long enough?
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:36:36 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Excerpts from internet.other.info-andrew: 26-Aug-92 Re: Hasn't the
message line.. Robert Andrew Ryan (1674+0)

> I actually believe one of the wins of ATK and Emacs (gnu and gosling)
> over Macintosh Toolbox and Motif is the fact that they have a message
> line.  In the Mac and Motif model, you have to pop up a dialog box for
> any transient message,  obscuring part of a window most probably.  When
a message is purely informational this is a waste.

Even when it isn't purely informational - this can be a waste and a
nuisance - as information needed for answering a prompt could be
obscured beneath the dialog box.

Of course, it's largely a matter of tast - but that was what the
DialogPriority preference option was supposed to take care of.

Before the days of Andrew on the XR? tape - the message line used to be
a scrollable view - and stored past messages up to a certain amount
[10?, 20???] - this was great for Messages in which a series of messages
were usually sent to the message-line in a flurry - and the only way you
could find out what had happened was to enlarge the message-line and
scroll back.

--fish
From: y2t@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Display a color image
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:36:14 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University


Hi khoros people,

    Sorry for asking the simple question: how do I display a color image
using three (RGB) raw image files? I looked through the Khoros manuals
and checked the FAQs, but still didn't have any idea of it. Thanks.

-Tang
From: pengyue@ucrmath.ucr.edu (peng-yue lin)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Add me please
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:22:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: galaxy.22033
Organization: University of California, Riverside



Please add me in the mailing list. Thanks.

lin@proton.llumc.edu
From: tom@asi.com (Tom Baker)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: C++ xvroutines
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:59:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: asi.1992Aug28.145954.9819
Distribution: usa
Organization: Adaptive Solutions, Inc.,  Beaverton Oregon

In article <1992Aug27.173054.3636@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> troberts@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Timothy Roberts) writes:
>
>Has anybody else done any C++ work with xvroutine writing?  If so,
>have you got a recipe for getting through this without memorizing the
>Khoros Programmers Manual from cover to cover?
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Whenever I have had to interface a set of C++ functions to an
xvroutine I have kept the C++ and C sources in seperate directories.
I have never been able to compile C++ functions using the Khoros
Makefiles, although I have not tried very hard.  I compile the C++
code in a seperate directory with a Makefile that was created by hand.
Then I copy the object modules into the xvroutine directory.  You can
put the object file references in the xvroutine Imakefile.  Another
way may be to have all the source code in one directory but have a
seperate Makefile for the C++ and C code.  I haven't tried this last
suggestion so there may be some hidden problems.  

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From: casadei@cesena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: File Browser, how ?
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:07:04 GMT


Help! 
I read very carefully pages 1-11,12,13 of volume 1 of the manual which describe
how to use the browser. However, I could not find out HOW one starts the broswer.
How can I do that ? 
Thank you.

Stefano
From: snyder@vdasjr.jsc.nasa.gov (Michael W. Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Saving xprism3 plot as VIFF image file using screendump
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:39:28 GMT

I am running Khoros on a DecStation 5000 under Ultrix 4.5A and we are
having problems saving xprism3 plots as VIFF image files using the
screen dump option.  When we do save the display of the plot (which may
include several plots overlayed on top of each other) and try to display
it using putimage, the image is incomplete and only has a single color.

Is there a way to save an exact color image of the plot(s) displayed in
xprism3 as a VIFF image file that can later be displayed using
putimage. I would greatly appreciate some feedback on this problem.


                                  Thanks,

                                  snyder@vdasjr.jsc.nasa.gov
From: thoai@nvl.army.mil (Thoai Nguyen)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: need information about khoros software
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:02:37 GMT

I would like to know how to obtain the Khoros software.
From: nobody@kodak.com (Mike Bruce)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Khoros partial compile
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:34:10 GMT

Hello,

I was, finally, successful (ALMOST) at compiling Khoros in its
entirety thanks to those who pointed out the /tmp directory problem.
The only error I came across was the following:

.
.
.
install -s iconimage /usr/da0/bruce/khoros/bin
install: write: /usr/da0/bruce/khoros/bin/iconimage: I/O error
*** Error code 1
install in ./xvroutines/iconimage done
make: Warning: Target `install' not remade because of errors
.
.
.

Despite this error, Cantata seems to work.  Three questions:

1)  Where would this error show up, and how?
2)  Should I re-Make from the point of this error?
3)  If I should re-Make, what are the steps to re-Make from
    the point of the error to the end of the full compile?

Thanks,

Mike Bruce
(bruce@ektron.kodak.com)   please respond by mailing directly to my
                           e-mail address -- "reply" will not work.
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
From: yuchou@seahawk.lanl.gov (Hu Yuchou)
Subject: Re: SIZE of files
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:48:01 GMT

In article <40156@pprg.eece.unm.edu.pprg.unm.edu> nadeau@gti.enst-bretagne.fr@enstb.enst-bretagne.fr writes:
>Hello,
>
>Does somebody know how to extract de Xsize and Ysize of 
>an image and put it in variables for doing a count loop
>
>
>I can see de size of a file by VINFO but vstat does not 
>extract this infomation.
>
>	Thank you for answering
>
>	Denis Nadeau
>	Groupe traitement d'image
>	Brest, France
>	
>

I use the generic command under Program Utility and the command is

grep 'Number of pixels' | awk '{print $6,$9}'

Then I connect the following glyphs together:

vfileinfo - generic command - ascii2viff (2 band, 1 row, 1 col each)
and then use varviff to get the Xsize and Ysize.  Band 0 contains
the number of rows, band 1 the number of columns.

Hope this helps

Yuchou
From: sauer@chama.eece.unm.edu (Tom Sauer)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: Compatibility between Khoros 1.5 and Khoros 2
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:05:26 GMT

Hi,

On Aug 28, 12:37, casadei@cesena.mit.edu wrote:
} Subject: Compatibility between Khoros 1.5 and Khoros 2
>> 
>> 
>> Hi, I am now in the process of learning to construct user-defined routines 
>> in Khoros (ghostwriter, composer, preview, etc. ).
>> 
>> Does anyone have an idea of how compatible will routines built with Khoros 1.5
>> with Khoros 2 ? Is it a waste of time to learn to and actually implement
>> Khroros 1 routines now, given that Khoros 2 will soon be available ? 

It will definitely NOT be a waste of time creating routines. We will be
providing some tools to help migrate from Khoros 1.0 to Khoros 2.0.

Eventhough, Khoros 2.0 will be much different than Khoros 1.0 I think the
migration will be straight forward especially if one is familar with
Khoros 1.0

Also, program and application developers I think will greatly appreciate
all the new features in Khoros 2.0.

>> 
>> Thanks for your advice.
>> 
>> Stefano
}-- End of excerpt from casadei@cesena.mit.edu

Thanks,

Tom

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From: janin@espresso.boeing.com (Adam Janin 5-3545)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re:  C++ xvroutines
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:31:40 GMT

If you need to change the way a khoros routine is compiled (i.e. add -I/include,
add -l/library, change to CC, etc.), it is much easier to edit the Imakefile
rather than the Makefile.  The Makefile is generated automatically from the
Imakefile using makemake and some standard Imake templates in $KHOROS_HOME/
repos/config.

All this means is that instead of having to read the Khoros manual cover
to cover, you have to read  the Imake manual :-)

Actually, it's fairly easy to figure out.  The default Imakefile that
ghostwriter produces uses fairly obvious macros and includes a couple of
comments.

	Hope this helps,

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From: dominic@scooter.genie.uottawa.ca (Dominic Richens)
Subject: Re: File Browser, how ?
Originator: dominic@
Reply-To: dominic@shamin.genie.uottawa.ca
Organization: MCRLab - University of Ottawa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 18:00:09 GMT


In <40123@pprg.eece.unm.edu.pprg.unm.edu>, casadei@cesena.mit.edu writes:
! Help! 
! I read very carefully pages 1-11,12,13 of volume 1 of the manual which describe
! how to use the browser. However, I could not find out HOW one starts the broswer.
! How can I do that ? 

It is not obvious:  you have to click on the label left of the box in which
you type the filename.  It looks like a label until you move the mouse over 
the label, then the button outline becomes visible.

Natural question:  how does one make this button outline visible all of the
time?  I could change the colour of it, but I couldn't make it constantly
visible.  The closed I came was changing the background colour of the 
button label (filename_input_back*label_button) to something other than that 
of filename_input_back.

dominic


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From: ttcain@vangogh.lerc.nasa.gov (Maureen Cain)
Subject: Image Segmentation
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:38:06 GMT

	I have an image that was taken through a microscope of a lead sample.
It clearly (to the eye) has two distinct regions, one light and one dark.
However, there is a lot of noise in both regions.  I want to extract the
contours from the image defining the light and dark regions.  However, 
because of the noise, standard edge detection algorithms (Canny, Sobel, etc)
do not work very well, even after the image has been preprocessed with a 
median filter.  I need to get a closed contour from the image as if I took a
pencil and traced it off the image.  

	Is there a way to segment the image using contrast and variance 
stats rather than using and edge detector? Or a combination of both?  Any
help would be appreciated.  Thanks

Maureen Cain
ttcain@vangogh.lerc.nasa.gov
(216) 433-8928

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