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From: rgt@kepler.unh.edu (Richard G Tomasso)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Help in GeoWrite (or a Geos II wish)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 02:15:28 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In article <1992Dec16.194033.23547@brtph560.bnr.ca> ppaglia@bnr.ca (Peter Paglia P925) writes:
>Every once in a while, when changing fonts or re-sizing the page 
>in GeoWrite, the line length gets hosed. What I mean is that the 
>sentences that used to look like this
>
>begin to
>look like this, as if GeoWrite                             can't
>resize the sentence to fit on a new page. It's almost as if
>there are tabs inserted into the text, and they have to be manually
>deleted in order                    to make the lines
>all even again.

This is an odd problem, I've never seen it before, can't seem to duplicate it.
Have you tried Redraw Screen (Ctrl+Shift+R ???)?
Are you sure you're not putting tabs into the original?
Are there any extraneous newlines?
Are you using any of the downloaded fonts? Some of them aren't defined for
some of the shift|ctrl|alt key-combos and may be giving you a tab or weird
spacing for some reason.
Is there still a problem when you highlight the problem text and re-justify it?

Have you tried re-installing to make sure the program isn't corrupted somehow?
(Drastic, I know, but sometimes things get messed up and need to be restarted.)

>[Printscreen key scenario deleted]
A classic. :)

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: Termcaps (was: Comm question)
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:51:27 GMT

In article <Dec.15.16.12.58.1992.15799@pilot.njin.net> birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
>Since there's not a whole heck of a lot that can be done in the way of hacking
>GeoComm to deal with the semicolons more effectively, I've started looking at
>the idea of finding (or writing) a unix termcap entry for a terminal, real or
>mythical, that supported a decent range of features WITHOUT using those pesky
>semicolons, and then hacking one of the less-used termcap (.tc) files in
>GeoComm (since it won't accept any extra terminal types) to equal _that_ type
>of terminal.  A bit of work, yes.  But it's at least theoretically feasible,
>and might be a good solution to the bug.

It might be a good solution if you're dealing only with Unix programs
that use termcap (or possibly terminfo).  At work, though, I deal with

(1) an HP3000 mini, which works full-screen only with an HP-type
terminal or a *good* emulation;

(2) a DataLynx protocol converter for 3270-type sessions (this accepts
a multitude of terminal types)

(3) an HP9000 mini (running HPUX, HP's Unix), which have several nice
programs which work only with an HP terminal, an X-terminal, or a
VT100 (but not GeoComm's VT100).

To work with computer (1) I simply don't use full-screen mode.  To
work with (2) I use a VT52 emulation, since that's the only one that
works.  To work with (3) I use either VT52 or ANSI emulation running
screen to handle the vt100 emulation.  All of these are adequate
solutions, but I'd really like to see the term emulations bugs fixed
in v2.0.
-- 
   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Geocomm and stty cols
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:01:09 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

fadickey@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Fred A Dickey) writes:

>I think I found a small bug in GeoComm.  The maximuim number of columns
>that I seem to be able to set is 80.  

'snot a bug, it's a standard. ;)  [Yeah, I'd like to see support for >80
columns too, and _definitely_ >24 lines.... Another spoiled-by-Xterm user
here, I guess. ;)]

-shag

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: future of geoworks
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:52:26 GMT

In article <Pine.3.05.9212161726.A9860-9100000@Ra.MsState.Edu> <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us> writes:
> Exactly how big is Geos in terms of personel (and any other pertinent
>data).  Having made the great leap of faith (rare for me) to actually buy
>the program, I feel like I'm a supporter and kinda would like to know a
>little more about.  Rough guesses will do. Thanks, 

On the order of 100 employees.

John

P.S.	Standard disclaimers apply.


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From: "ETDAI2::CHEESE" <cheese%etdai2.decnet@mdcgwy.mdc.com>
Subject: Subscribe to PCGEOS-LIST
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:36:14 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

Dear List Owner,

Please add my address to the mailing list for PCGEOS-LIST.  I formerly read
the messages at another workstation but unsubbed several months ago.  I 
understand the list is no longer run by Brian Smithson since he left Motorola.

Thank you for taking time to consider this request.  

Chee Woo Leong
McDonnell Douglas Aerospace
cheese%etdai2.decnet@mdcgwy.mdc.com

America Online : cwcheese@aol.com

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: mtichy@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin Tichy)
Subject: Re: How about ... part II
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:25:20 GMT

> How about a hypertext development/presentation system, except that
> instead of just opening text when you click on something you can
> open drawings, spreadsheets, databases, GeoComm sessions ...
 
To add to this, GEOS 2.0 really needs to improve on the online help.
1.2's help really is lousy.  Sure the program is easy enough to use
but novice users who want start to get out of the intermediate
UI and get in to the Advanced need good online docs.  The interface
of the docs is terrible.
From: rgt@bofur.unh.edu (Richard G Tomasso)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Ideas for apps
Date: 12 Dec 1992 21:04:58 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: bofur.unh.edu

Someone asked for ideas for geos apps...

An equation maker: I've seen them around, so I assume they're not too hard
to make (since you can do them in Latex). It doesn't have to be part of
Geowrite, but the equation has to be importable to Draw and Write (and whatever
else we'll be getting). BTW, I'm talking about something that'll produce
integrals, derivatives, some physics/chemistry constants, etc.

A feature for GeoWrite: Joining lines into a single paragraph. Running through
a file and deleteing to join is a pain. This would be very useful when
importing text files.

Either a stream editor or file-joiner. I think someone mentionned this already.

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: How do you use GEOS?  How would you like to use v2?
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:27:24 GMT

In article <18DEC199212203654@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov> batchelor@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Dave Batchelor, Space Phys. Data Facil. 301/286-2988) writes:
>You need not use a modem to connect as you have been doing.  GeoComm
>works fine talking directly to a terminal server on the com port.

We have been told that our communications will be over Ethernet lines,
not through a serial connection in whatever form.  Basically, there
won't be anything to plug into my serial port.  There will be a
terminal server available, but that will be only for people with dumb
terminals and it'll only be around until everybody gets a PC.

>  I do
>not have a modem in my PC, but I use GeoComm often in communicating with
>my VAX and Sun 4.  You only need a 3Com card or some such device, as I
>understand it.  Doesn't it just act like a com port?  I admit I haven't
>tried it!

Not really.  For starters, it's a lot faster.  There's also no "port"
assigned like com1, com2, ...  The connection is made in a different
way.  In addition, the ethernet card lets you have many different
connections (and kinds of connections) at once.  For example, I can
telnet to another computer (a TCP/IP connection), ftp back to my PC (a
second TCP/IP connection) to transfer files back to a LAN drive (an
IPX connection).  A serial connection simply doesn't let you do all
that.


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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: fadickey@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Fred A Dickey)
Subject: Re: How do you use GEOS? How would you like to use v2?
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:36:05 GMT

Oh yeah.....I forgot a major thing that GEOS gets used for a heck of a lot
on my PC.  Despite the fact that I have a DMP 130 printer connected that
takes almost an hour to do a really neat page that looks like it came out
of Kinko's, a lot of people do their papers in Geowrite on my system.  I
have about 6 megs of fonts to choose from and I guess my friends perfer
using the nice user interface of GeoWrite and not having to wait for a pc
at one of the campus labs (probably more the latter).

,^MrSpock^

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnlee@crash.cts.com (John Wiley)
Subject: Re: new geos apps
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Distribution: na
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:19:16 PST


>>This raised the question in my mind
>>of whether GW were witholding some OS info
 
>Ack!  I'm deeply offended
 
Sorry.  You're right, it sounded offensive - especially to then mention
MS in this newsgroup!  :}
 
Just that it had occurred to me, and I was hoping you'd provide insight.
Which you did with:
 
>there was little technical documentation at that time
 
I've seen neither the original development environment (nor the 2.0
SDK docs), nor the new version of CS' product suite.  Thus my ill-formed
question came from lack of info.  Thanks for the clarification.  I'd often
wondered about it, since CS seemed to be making a sincere effort to bring
high quality 1.x apps to market.  Now I'm all the more excited to see the
new version of their package.
 
>great application's/libraries/etc. must come from many people
 
Speaking of which, there was a suggestion here long ago that the SDK docs
be made available in electronic format to foster shareware development.
Has there been an announcement in that regard?
 
 
PS: please add my appreciation to that expressed here recently, for your
    kindness in sharing GW info with us.
 
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: xmas@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mark A. Stevens)
Subject: Re: Memory available to GEOS
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:52:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.212144.20713@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:
>In article <9212100310.AA00654@hela.INS.CWRU.Edu>
><pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us> writes:
>[...]
>>Along the lines of memory for geos.  I have 4megs ram.  I have tried different
>>emm386.exe combo's.  When I use (emm386.exe ram) it shows in the perf window 
>>that I have so much mem used (about 740 to 770 or so) and no or little fixed.
>> hmmmmm  When I use the 
>>(emm386.exe noems) it shows more mem used up to 860+ when loading things and
>>around 199 to 220 fixed used.  It seems to be just a little faster with the
>>noems switch in my config.sys, and uses more memory for program stuff in
>>geo manager.  I think that is good.  It combines 800+ mem and 200 +/- fixed
>>for a total of 1meg+ most of the time, some times less depends.
>>I have tried goes/nomem (this uses no himem, only the 640k down) and it 
>>really slows down and does a lot of disk swapping.
>>I was told that geos does it's own mem management, sooo why is the emm386
>>in my config effecting the geos performance? AND which should give me the
>>best performance, AND how can I get geos to use more ram for faster operation?
>
>People would be very angry if GEOS didn't coexist peacefully with the
>various memory managers on the market.  Your settings to disable ems/xms
>memory is telling programs not to use that memory (hence the swapping in
>GEOS).

Well, I'm not too happy at the moment.  I bought a Bocaram/AT with 2M
to be used as expanded (not extended) memory for my 286 clone
(Packard-Bell), so I could improve the performance of pc/geos without a
lot of money to upgrade.  I finally had to disable the thing because I
was getting lock ups!  Now that I'm back to 640K, it doesn't lock up.
(Thanks to all who helped me isolate this problem.)  Has anyone else
had AT machines with expanded memory lock up or corrupt data stored in
memory?  By-the-by, it passed it's memory test.

Now, what?  Does Geoworks have a place that I could call and ask, "Do you
have problems with x and y running pc/geos?"  AOL and a call that got to
a person at Geoworks helped me, but it seems that the problem is not very
well documented.  I like pc/geos.  It's the only GUI my wife can use
(take that Windows!) and my kids like it.  Should I try running as
extended memory?  Thanks.
-- 
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Educational Computing Network             BITNET:   XMAS@ECNUXA.BITNET
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Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:37:31 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

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From: laytonj@ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffrey Layton)
Subject: SIGNOFF PCGEOS-LIST
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:36:47 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us


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From: ppaglia@bnr.ca (Peter Paglia P925)
Subject: Help in GeoWrite (or a Geos II wish)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:40:33 GMT

Every once in a while, when changing fonts or re-sizing the page 
in GeoWrite, the line length gets hosed. What I mean is that the 
sentences that used to look like this

begin to
look like this, as if GeoWrite                             can't
resize the sentence to fit on a new page. It's almost as if
there are tabs inserted into the text, and they have to be manually
deleted in order                    to make the lines
all even again.

This happened to my wife once, when she tried to print her document
by hitting the PRINTSCRN key. ('But honey, I wanted to print what
was on the screen') I don't know how, but this made her entire doc
look like the paragraph above. I spent 15 minutes editing out unwanted
tabs. BTW, does Geos employ computer-phobes in it's beta test program?
perhaps they should!

I've looked in the manual for a 'format' or 'reformat' command, but
perhaps I'm looking for the wrong term. If that's the case, what
should I do to fix my sentences' line length.

Otherwise, please include a function like this one in Geos II.

Thanks, 

Pete



Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: "Lee A. Mohon" <lam4@Ra.MsState.Edu>
Subject: Re: The future of GeoWorks
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 10:36:05 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

Rich,
 This is exactly what I was saying when I amended my statement. I doubt
not what you say, but a coupla points, if I may. You say it has many uses,
but how many REALLY boost your production. That is to say that in the
scheme of things a database or a spreadsheet has more utility than a
geopoker (not that the latter does not have its uses). How many of the
things for which you use the color printer. One thing you mentioned that I
find interesting was the bit about transparencies. I do not presume to
guess about the utility in your job, but I do know that in education, this
would be a major breakthrough. Color enhances the capability of
transparencies to convey information in much the same way that it does in
maps or graphs. In that light a cheap color printer would definitely have
great use. Another point is that I have heard that color printers have a
severe problem in the way of toner, that it is hard to change, expensive,
and messy. However, this second-hand and apparently dated information. I
would be interested to hear of your experiences with and uses for your
color printer. I expect to be in the market for a REALLY good printer in
the next three years or so; you might win a convert.
Lee Mohon.
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: How do you use GEOS? How would you like to use v2?
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:48:28 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor) writes:


>Let's start a new thread.  I'd like to talk about how we all use GEOS
>currently and how we'd like to use GEOS once v2.0 comes out.  

I'm a penniless poet, journalist, and unofficial net-guru-in-training... I
use GeoWrite for any writing I'd ever want to print (I don't have a printer
yet, though, so...) ... GeoComm hooks me to the net, where I edit an e-mail
digest (see .sig) and help run several public BBSes and MUDs.  Cut-and-paste
is a Good Thing, I use GeoDex to keep track of people (not creative, but oh
well), GeoDraw for making diagrams of telephone company networks and stuff,
and Zmodem (from the express startup menu :) for transfers.

V 2.0... hmmm.  I'd like to get a printer, do you think maybe GeoWorks could
throw in an inkjet with 2.0? ;) ;)  If I get a printer, I'll probably be
printing a few copies of each issue of the digest (in GeoWrite form), and
might do some word-processing for other folks... a compilation of my poems
would also be typeset using GeoWrite (2.0).

The main "neat-o" app I'd like for 2.0 is an X server with XRemote... this
host is a Sparc-2, and it would be great to actually have separate sessions
in separate windows, instead of using Screen (and killing GeoComm's vt-100
emulation... feh).

I also have an old soundcard which I use for some composition, and it'd be
nice to have a GeoApp for that.

A third-party communications package, particularly with fax capabilities,
would be nice, especially if it doesn't use ";" for comments in termcap...
I'll probably be getting a fax program that an acquaintance is coding for
2.0, if it's any good.  (Yes, a future app.  John has to kill me now. ;)

-Shag

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From: rgt@kepler.unh.edu (Richard G Tomasso)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Saving options
Date: 13 Dec 1992 14:47:39 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

Someone just posted that he hopes 2.0 will have more 'savable' options. I think
this is a very good idea. Being able to save the View options in GeoManager,
ALL the modem settings in GeoComm (You can't save a speaker volume), and maybe
having some more sorting options would be very nice. Perhaps this could be
easily done in some cases by adding a few things to the preferences tool.

Speaking of preferences, does anyone know if 2.0 will support 1024X786 high
resolution? And will it use video ram if available?

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Compliments to JDM
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:58:15 GMT

In article <31249@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com> rpz@ems.cdc.com writes:
>
>In any heterogenous group of homo saps., most of the noise is made by
>children. Bearing in mind that there is a child in all of us, let's
>remember (especially here on the net) our role as teachers.
>
>John, you're well known (and appreciated) in this newsgroup for your technical
>expertise and patient explanations. Your last two posts (flame to SIGNOFF
>posters, and response to Brian Smithson) suggest a mature attitude that is
>worth acknowledging (mostly because same is not always seen here).
>
>By the powers granted to me by none other than myself, I dub thee "Teacher".

Well, to keep my head from swelling, I showed your message to a few people
in the office and they all had a great time making fun of me... :-)  They
also made a bunch of threats to tell the world what I'm really like. :-)

Thanks for the kind words and thanks to everyone for your patience and
support.

Take care,
	John
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	Apply disclaimers standard.
From: ted@helios.UCSC.EDU (Ted Cantrall)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: 2.0 wish list
Date: 16 Dec 1992 23:59:35 GMT
Organization: UCO/Lick Observatory
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.ucsc.edu

->     Rulers in GeoDraw.  I'm not particularly talented artistically,
->but I use MacDraw at work to good effect because of the rulers.  I can
->put things exactly where I want them, and make them exactly the size I
->need.  Rulers in Geodraw would make my home stuff easier.
->-- 
I don't know what others may mean by "rulers" (marks along the screen edge?),
but what I'd like to see I'd call "micrometers". A little box in some corner
that continuously shows the absolute XY position of the cursor and the ability
to set any point to "zero" and have the position be shown relative to that
point - a second XY scale, perhaps. Does this seem usefull to anyone else?
				-ted- 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: eysen@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Gunther Eysenbach)
Subject: Convert geos.000-pictures into TIF/PCX ?
Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Deutschland
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 01:44:23 GMT

How can I convert the .000-files, generated by the GeosDraw-program, into more common graphic-formats (TIFF, PCX, ...) ?
Does anybody know a conversion-tool / FTP ?

G.Eysenbach
eysen@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de


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