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From: sdorner@qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner)
Subject: MacTCP license fees & Eudora
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:34:36 GMT

Rumor has it Apple has decided to take the price of MacTCP through the
roof.  I'm told that an internal use license for corporations has gone from
$2500 *one-time* to $5000 *annually*.  Seemingly Apple would just as soon
that no low-cost MacTCP software exist. Typical Apple policy--Free Bad,
Expensive Good.

Anyway, MacTCP used to be distributed with Eudora, because UIUC had a
redistribution license.  Now that development has moved to Qualcomm, the
license no longer applies and we cannot distribute MacTCP with Eudora. 
That was no big deal when licenses were affordable; now that they're
ridiculous, we have a problem.

I doubt I can persuade Qualcomm to buy a redistribution license (I don't
know the new price on those) without being able to recoup the cost.  Giving
Eudora away is one thing; paying for giving Eudora away is another.

So, here's my question:

Suppose we offer a "Deluxe" licensed version of Eudora, that will include
MacTCP.  How many people would be interested in buying it?  The price would
be set so that Qualcomm doesn't lose money on the distribution.  That means
some trivial amount of money for shipping and handling, plus (cost of
MacTCP redistribution license)/(expected number of buyers).  If this would
interest a lot of people, the price could be pretty small.  Even if only a
few sites were interested, they could save some major bucks.  Is anyone out
there interested in this idea?  Drop me a note, please.

I don't know for sure that I can get the go-ahead on this, so don't take
this as a commitment; I'm just trying to see how much interest there would
be.

In any case, Eudora will continue to be offered for free sans MacTCP.

--
APPLE UNBUNDLES RETURN KEY

Cupertino, CA

Effective immediately, Apple Computer, Inc., has decided to unbundle the
"return" key from Apple keyboards.  This allows us to lower the price of
our keyboards by $.01.  Users wishing to buy a return key will be able to
do so through their local Dealership.  The kits will cost $99.95 installed,
and are expected to be available 1Q93.  "We think this will enable more
users to get return keys," said Apple chairman Scully.  "Also, we want the
money."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: michel@cst02.segin.com (Michel Pollet)
Subject: URGENT: How to DISABLE Apple double in NFS/Share
Reply-To: michel%cst02.segin.com (Michel Pollet)
Organization: Segin, Groupe Axime
Date:  9 Nov 92 09:42:52 GMT

Hi

I installed NFS/Share on a Quadra Friday, and all works fine when mounting
partition of a sparc 2. The only thing I note is that NFS/SHARE is MUCH
slower than TOPS !! Tops is already installed on the sparc, and even if the
speed when copiing big files is the same, the directory access (opening
windows) is better on TOPS.

The configuration is like that

	Mac Quadra TOPS				Mac Quadra NFS
		\					/
		 \				       /
		  \				      /
			Sparcstation 2 w TOPS&NFS

The two macs are used with Photoshop for editing big TIFF files, that
are stored on the sparc disk, then spooled as Postcript files to be put
in a directory on the sparc where a job will send them to a RIP. The TOPS
solution work fine save that TOPS hangs the quadra quite a lot. NFS is better
for that, but it store it's files in Apple Double format on the sparc disk:

A file on the mac disk will be two files on the sparc's one :
%Filename	with the resource fork
Filename	with the data fork.

We don't care about the resource forks of both TIFF and Postcript files !!
When I copy a file to the spool directory on the sparc, and the job try
to send the '%*' files on the RIP, it HANGS !! So i'd like to disable
completely Apple double in NFS !

Michel


-- 
- Michel Pollet: michel@segin.com (Office),michel@trantor.fr.mugnet.org (Home)-
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-- from enjoying it.                                                         --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu (Pete Resnick)
Subject: Re: Ethernet and LocalTalk
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:26:31 GMT

ziesman@uswest.com (Craig Ziesman) writes:

>We have several Macs connected to our network via Ethernet.  They still 
>have their LocalTalk connectors plugged in as well.  We have seen some 
>performance problems with printing and database access.  The systems 
>support people here claim that when a Mac is connected to both Ethernet 
>and LocalTalk that the Mac will use both at the same time!  They say that 
>this is the reason for the performance problems.  Is this possible, or 
>even probable?  I didn't think the Network control panel could lie like 
>that!!!

Go tell your systems support people that they are utterly confused.
Macintoshes cannot use both network ports unless they are running
router software like AppleTalk Internet Router or Liason. Unless you
are a router, you cannot have more than one network address in
AppleTalk land. Period.

pr
-- 
Pete Resnick             (...so what is a mojo, and why would one be rising?)
Graduate assistant - Philosophy Department, Gregory Hall, UIUC
System manager - Cognitive Science Group, Beckman Institute, UIUC
Internet: resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu
From: barisajj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu (Joe Barisa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: MacTCP Sockets
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:42:54 GMT
Organization: Drexel University
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A725A8F325010D0F@n1-13-15-ocs-crg-f-beta.ocs.drexel.edu>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 10 Nov 92 17:59:15 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d10

I recall reading here that there exists a "socket" library for MacTCP.
Unfortunately I do not remember where it exists (assuming that it does)
If anyone has any information about this please respond or send 
me e-mail.  
 
 Thanks in advance
 
 Joe Barisa
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: sdorner@qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner)
Subject: Re: Mac/MacTCP to internet problem...
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc.
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 16:58:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.154254.162@nic.funet.fi>, asunta@convex.csc.FI (Miika
Asunta) wrote:
> Which IP-address should be entered for the gateway in the MacTCP CDEV?
> 0.0.0.0 works with NeXT connection.

This is your problem.  In a shell window on your NeXT, type:

netstat -r -n

You should see something a little like:

Destination      Gateway            Flags     Refs     Use  Interface
127.0.0.1        127.0.0.1          UH          2      603  lo0
default          128.174.22.1       UG          1     3553  sl0

Take the address under "Gateway" from the line beginning with "default",
and put that in MacTCP's gateway field.

For example, I would put "128.174.22.1" in my MacTCP gateway field.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar)
Subject: Any books about Microphone II to supplement manuals?
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:28:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Information & Media Resources, Affiliations, Networks

I love Microphone II on the Mac and its manuals are great - but sometimes
they can be a little too much.

I have books that I bought for Wordperfect and Quark Express that I find
easier to refer to for a quick question than the LARGE NUMBER of MANUALS
these programs come with.  Same way I would like to see if there is a book
(or more than one) that support easy-use of Microphone on the Mac.

Please email me name/availability source if you know of one

Thanks

Imran
From: tmplee@TIS.COM (Theodore Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: NFS, SLIP, Eudora, Finder: some questions
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:42:08 GMT
Reply-To: tmplee@TIS.COM
Organization: Trusted Information Systems

(Yes, I've checked the FAQ and the recent traffic.)
(For those with better memories than they ought to have, yes, I'm
still undecided as to whether to upgrade from my Apple IIGS to a Mac
or a 486; the answer to this may help.)

From a couple of messages I've seen it appears it is possible to have
a (non-A/UX) Mac connected to a Sun (SunOS Unix) via a TCP/IP network
and have directories on the Sun appear to the Mac as volumes (e.g.,
show up on the desktop.)  Exactly what software is needed at both ends
to make this happen?  In my case, the Mac would be dialing into a
SLIP-server that is connected to the internet and the Suns in question
are located at a couple of places on the net. (One respondent
mentioned something about the Sun looking like an Appleshare server,
but admitted he hadn't the foggiest idea of what the software was --
he just used it as a tool.)

I assume that when this is set up one can navigate around the remote
Sun's file system structure with the Finder and other typical Mac
applications.  Is this in fact true? How does the fact that Unix files
have no file type, resource fork, or other "Mac" attributes get dealt
with?  Can ordinary Mac applications use the files on the remote
system? (For instance, could WordPerfect on the Mac read, create, or
modify WordPerfect files stored on the Sun -- which in turn came from,
or went to, WordPerfect 5.1 via PC-NFS on PC-clones?)  Can one
manipulate the Sun's directory with the Finder? (move
files/directories around, change names, change attributes?)  I believe
on a Mac one can cause a file to be printed simply by dragging the
file's icon on top of the printer's icon (or am I making this up --
I'ved never used a Mac connected to a printer.)  Could one cause a
file on the Sun to be printed (locally) the same way?

Or would it make more sense to use MacX? (I'll have a V.32bis link)

And, one quick Eudora question: I currently use Emacs RMAIL via a
terminal emulator to deal with mail.  Eudora sounds like the right
thing to do on the Mac, provided it can do most of what I can do with
either RMAIL or mh.  When mail is retrieved via Eudora/POP is it
possible to keep an archive copy behind on the Sun? (I really want my
mail to stay on the Sun, and just use the Mac to read, manipulate,
reply and compose it.) (I'd grab the Eudora documentation, but it
looks like its in a form that I'd need the Mac to understand!)

Many thanks for your collective indulgence,

Ted Lee <tmplee@TIS.COM>
From: jbrowne@zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Jim Browne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: APPLE UNBUNDLES RETURN KEY
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:35:58 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

gilbertd@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Don Gilbert) writes:

>If Apple drives up the price of MacTCP, instead of bringing it down,
>they will be shutting doors on users and developers.  Many of these
>people cannot afford higher prices for network access.  

Who needs MacTCP?  Everyone doing REAL networking is using Appletalk.  Right?


(Caution:  The previous statement was not meant to be taken seriously. )
-- 
Jim Browne                                          | jbrowne@ncsa.uiuc.edu  |
NCSA/STG System Administrator                       | stgadmin@ncsa.uiuc.edu |
System Administration: Where the fun never ends...  | (217) 244-7798         |
--"It's really weird... kind of like how Telnet is programmed." - Q. Koziol --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.system
From: saunders@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Kevin Saunders)
Subject: Re: ARA no longer bundled with Powerbooks!
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:27:42 GMT

>In article <1CE00001.hs06kr@tbomb.ice.com> time@ice.com (Tim Endres) writes:
>And what will pay to have the ARA protocols work over PPP, and other
>coming technology that would will wish to utilize? IT may be somewhat
>idealistic to think things will work one-to-one like this, but I believe
>in funding things that are needed.

   Yup, ARA is an awesome example alright:  one of Apple Brain Damage.   
Sure it *works*, and from the user's point of view it's nice, as long
as you're not using it on an SE... but the guts of the protocol are
INCREDIBLY UGLY (and non-standard in wonderfully undefined ways,
i.e., v42bis compression is implemented over MNP framing).

   ARA should have been written to conform to PPP from day one.  And
it should have been written to support genuine network point-to-pont
links, rather than spoofing the remote network into thinking your Mac
is local.

   That it was not is just another Apple-NIH (Not Invented Here) symptom.

   Pathetic!
   bonze

-- 
________________________________________
Kevin Eric Saunders (a/k/a bonze blayk!), CometMonger--"NeXT, please!"
   saunders@nmc.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Mark Milbourne <milbouma@esvax.dnet.dupont.com>
Subject: Serial Tool with hardware session control
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A729895FC3025A1C@milbouma.es.dupont.com>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:33:35 GMT
Organization: Dupont
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:32:08 GMT

I'm using VersaTermServer to give Telnet access to an async service. 
Right now I'm using the Serial Tool as the outbound connection from
VersaTermServer to the service.  It works fine except that
VersaTermServer has no way to know when the "session" on the async
service is done so it can drop the inbound Telnet connection.  If we take
the perspective that the Mac is the terminal and the async service is a
modem, the async service drops DSR when a session is finished.  The Mac
asserts DTR when the Serial Tool opens a session.

Is there a way to configure the Serial Tool or Apple Modem Tool to close
the session when DSR drops?   I tried using the Apple Modem Tool, but it
seems to want to send some modem setup strings and ATDT even if the phone
number is blank.  I would assume that the modem tool watches CD/DSR
(usually wired together in the 25 pin to DIN-8 mac modem cables) and
closes a session when this drops.

What I need I guess is the equivalent of the modem tool with no dial
setup or number.  Can one edit the modem choices in the serial tool to
make a "null" modem?

Any suggestions?

Please reply e-mail.  I can never keep up-to-date on all the Mac
newsgroups!

Thanks,
	Mark Milbourne
	milbouma@esvax.dnet.dupont.com
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From: arminius@soc2.acpub.duke.edu (Ian Carter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: ARA no longer bundled with Powerbooks!
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:23:58 GMT
Reply-To: arminius@soc2.acpub.duke.edu (Ian Carter)
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm


In article <Bx7EKF.1zw@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, mzajac@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Stephen Zajac) writes:
> 
|> I think that ARA was only bundled with powerbooks that came with a modem (I
|> may be wrong).  Your 160 had no modem, but maybe ARA will come with the
|> Apple Express Modem.
|> -- 
| No, I bought a 100, without a modem, and still have my uninstalled copy
of ARA. I have no idea when they stopped bundling. 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: nateh@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Nate Hawthorn)
Subject: Powerbook
Organization: Quake Public Access, Sylmar CA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:55:35 GMT

Dear Apple  (I don't know where else to send this)
 
Two things really BUG ME TO DEATH with the Powerbook.
 
When using the "iternal" modem (Apple's 2400/Fax) the speaker
CLICKS when it's on, and CLICKS when its off. I assume the
software turns the modem on, and then shuts it down, causing
a click.
 
I assume that you could make the hardware turn the speaker off
first, then turn the modfem off to eliminate it.
 
Second, why the HELL did you put the "Caps Lock" key where the
CONTROL key is suposto go????? That was really sill to do to
anyone that used a control key. Plus, I keep hitting it because
it's so big and accidentally making all CAPS!
 
Please make a FIX for this and let me know (and others) by
posting here and E-Mailing me directly.
 
Oh, the battery charger that you supply FRIES THE BATTERIES by
over charging it. YOu say to just leave it plugged in, but
the battery just gets hot and I now it only runs for a few
hours. It's $160 for a new one, please FIX YOUR CHARGER!
 
I love my PowerBook, you did a really good job on it!
 
Oh, the Fax can send, so it should be able to make it receive
also. Are you working on a receive program for it, or is
some smart guy making one? I don't think there's a hardware
problem preventing it, since it talks both ways at 9600
to a Fax anyway.
 
Thanks!
 
Nate....
From: blade@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: XWindows on the Mac???
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:32:37 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

Does anyone know of a program which lets a Mac logged into a Unix
machine over a high-speed modem serve as an XWindows display?

Will MacX do this?  Are there any other programs that will?

Thanks,
David

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: collet@scripps.edu (Thomas Collet)
Subject: Voice/modem switchingwith calling card
Organization: The Scripps Research Institute, La Jolla, California, USA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:42:16 GMT

This is a question for the modem minded: I am trying to log into a computer in the US from Germany by modem until I get my internet access here in Duesseldorf. I would like to use my Sprint card instead of the German general access to pay for the phone (much cheaper and the phone line will presumably be faster than the 300 baud I have now).

So, how do I start a call by voice and then switch over to the modem?
If you know a fix, please mail, or, if you like, call me in Germany at 
0211/317219 - I will of course call back.

Thanks for any help.
Cheers,

Thomas
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: hrm@engr.ucf.edu (Dr. Harley Myler)
Subject: ARA/MacTCP
Summary: problems with MacTCP over ARA serial links
Keywords: ARA, MacTCP, ethernet
Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 14:46:08 GMT

Well, the initial data is in (or should I say out?). It appears that
the ARA system encodes MacTCP data at the remote end that is not
decoded at the host prior to being shipped out onto the net. If
you are working through a GatorBox or FASTPATH or other Apple
aware hardware, this decoding is done for you at that point.

To clarify:

You are at home and have established ARA linkup over modem with
your office Mac, which is sitting on the net with an ethernet
card. You invoke a network program (Nuntius, fetch, etc.) that
accesses the MacTCP drivers on your home system. Data from the
TCP subsystem is encoded by ARA and shipped out over the modem
link and ultimately out the ethernet. If your ethernet link does
not include Apple aware hardware, the data is not decoded and is
lost.

The solution(?):

Does anyone know of a software fix for the host (ethernetted) machine
that would intercept the ARA coded packet and decode it before sending
it out the net? Suggestions on developing the code would also be
appreciated (where to start, source lying around).


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Dept. of Electrical & Comp. Engr.  Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu (Hani W. Akhras)
Subject: Lee Mail Problem
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Johns Hopkins University 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:06:47 GMT

It seems that whenever I receive very long file, Lee Mail can't save all of
it and ends up cutting it. I have my mail sent to a hp workstation and then
is forwarded to me. I checked to see if the mail was arriving correctly at
the workstation and it is. I checked to see if the workstation was
forwarding it correctly by forwarding to a friends account and it was. I
also had mail sent directly to the mac, but the same problem occurred. It
seems that Lee Mail has a limit to the number of lines it can save. If that
is the case, is there a way to change that limit? Has anybody else had this
problem?

____________________
hani w akhras
hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu
From: duval@elpp1.epfl.ch (Basil P. Duval EPFL - CRPP 1015 Lausanne CH)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: problem with NCSA-telnet 2.5 using SLIP
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:24:51 GMT
Reply-To: DUVAL@ELPP1.EPFL.CH
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne


Hello there,
	I am getting a little fed up with the questions on NCSA 2.5 and SLIP.
When I got a copy of 2.5, I found that the SLIP had a VERY simple bug that
needed correcting before it would fly (v 2.4.19 was ok).
	Further to this I wrote and installed a CSLIP version which worked
very well after I had also installed IP defragmentation which was not part
of the NCSA package.
	I was a good boy. I wrote to ALL the people listed in the development
team and gave them the software I had written with reasonable explanations
as to how it worked and how I had been careful to change as little of the
original software as possible. They replied (6 months ago now) that version
2.6 would incorporate this code and they were happy I didn't publish it.
	I havew repeatedly contacted them since I do get a little annoyed
with all the people still trying to get 2.5 to go, and have told them that
if by the end of this year they don't at least correct the stuff in 2.5 that
I shall make my very UN official version of 2.5-Cslip available by anonymous
ftp.
	If you would also like to see these features in an official version,
why not write to all those guys at NCSA and tell them. I keep doing so, but
so far the results are less than astounding.
	Just blowing off a little steam.

Basil P. DUVAL
EPFL/CRPP
1015 Bassenges
Lausanne, Switzerland
Email: DUVAL@ELPP1.EPFL.CH
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: lind@ll.mit.edu (Tom Lind)
Subject: MacTCP / Quadra Problems
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 14:12:04 GMT

We are having a problem running Eudora or TelNet on a Quadra 950 .  It
seems to be related to MacTCP 1.1.  All of the error messages that pop up
when attempting to start either application point to a failure of MacTCP to
connect or reference some require file or network reference.  The network
connections all check out.  Does anyone have any comments that may assist
us in tracking down the problem.

E-mail would be appreciated.  Thanks for any help.   Tom...

Thomas A. Lind  < lind@ll.mit.edu >   |   Work Hard, tell everyone every-
Electrooptical Devices Group          |   thing you know, close a deal
MIT Lincoln Lab                       |   with a handshake, and HAVE FUN.