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From: spindler@emr1.emr.ca (Chris Spindler)
Subject: Helmet Replacement Interval
Summary: Every 2 years or every 5 ?
Keywords: helmet, replacement
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:11:16 GMT

A year or two ago, various sages (i.e., those at the safety council) were
recomending that a helmet be replaced every 5 years.

Recently, I have heard a number of people recomend that if a helmet
is worn regularly, it should be replaced every _2_ years.

The latter recomendation came from a motorcycle shop and from
a weekly magazine show (on TSN) called "Motorcycle Rider".

Is this valid advice or a marketing ploy ?


-- 
Chris Spindler   Seismologist @ Large  |  Staring into a computer screen is  
'91 550 Zephyr    - - - - - - -  o     |  like staring into an eclipse.  It's
'91 K75RT       - - - - - - -  _/\_>   |  brilliant and you don't realize
 DoD #6371    - - - - - - -   O,> / O  |  the damage until it's too late.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: stm0@gte.com (Steven McClure)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Drag racing
Keywords: Fun, go faster and faster and ...
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:24:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham MA


On this subject, anyone know where I can get a decent set of wheelie
bars (yes, I've asked this before, but I figure before this thread
degenerates into a helmet war (it has already started to) or a beer
fest, I'd ask as I haven't found any yet, and of course everyone knows
that info from this newsgroup is better than a sign from heaven :-) )
for an '84 Kawa GPZ 750 turbo?  I have this small problem of either
smoking the rear tire or going vertical when I hit gears, and I figure
maybe the wheelie bars will keep me pointed in the right direction.
(Yeah, right!!!)  Thanks!!!

-- Steve


-- 
   Steven T McClure     '84 GPZ 750 Turbo pilot          stm0@gte.com
GTE Government Systems         DoD #0425              
  Needham, Ma. 02194            /*  Insert standard disclaimer here. */
Beta software: 'beta than nothing, and that's usually all it is...
From: mojo@Caere.COM (Morris Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: MSF: BRC or ERC?
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:13:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: Caere.BvIAMH.1rw
Organization: Caere Corp.

Easy question.  Take the ERC.  You won't miss a thing.  Have fun!

By the way, just because the state stops funding them doesn't mean the
courses have to go away.  The bikes are loaned by the manufacturers.
The MSF will keep putting out curriculum and instructors.  The price
might go back up to more or less market level, but someone should be
able to offer the course.

When I started out I taught as a volunteer for a non-profit "safety
council" in Marin County.  We taught the course once a month and had a
great time.

Now of course in California, there are no longer any non-profit
agencies teaching the MSF courses.  When I started out in Marin, we
charged $75 for the course.  Typical cost for an adult now is $135.
Amazing what a little government funding can do.

On the good side in California, the quality control at the various
teaching sites is higher than it's ever been.  You can usually take any
two instructors in the state of California and put them on a range and
you'll get the same course you would anywhere else in California.  This
is the result of Doug Fitz' and Steve Bransky's iron hand on the
curriculum, "My way or the highway."  :)

Mojo
-- 
Morris Jones
Caere Corp.
mojo@caere.com
From: car377@druhi.ATT.COM (RogersC)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Drilling my own discs
Summary: Save your drill bit
Keywords: brakes holes cooling
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:20:02 GMT

In article <37258@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>, jeg@beach.cis.ufl.edu (John Gelnaw) writes:
> In article <1992Sep25.132650.3074@ohrd.uucp> ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine) writes:
> >
> >The holes
> >in ordinary, non-vented rotors are for extra grab and do help do give water
> >a place to go. I read this in some rag and they specifically mentioned that
> >the holes are not for cooling.
> >
> Actually, you're both right... the drilled holes not only give the water a 
> place to go on the first sweep, they also provide cooling, and here's how:

Nope, you're all three wrong.  According to Honda Motor Corp., there is 
no cooling advantage to drilling disks, because the "increased surface area" 
is perpendicular to normal airflow.  According to "Motorcyclist", the popular
myth that net advantage accrues from the holes giving the water someplace 
else to go is bogus; the holes actually act to catch and hold the water 
against the pads.  

Honda states ("Honda Common Service Manual", p/n CM61000) that the
reason *they* drill disks is to promote the removal of dirt and debris 
that would otherwise cause secondary resonances.

Chuck Rogers
car377@druhi.att.com
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Thursday, 1 Oct 1992 10:01:34 EST
From: <HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How far do you commute?

I should have said, How far, on average, does a Denizen commute?
Oh well....here are some figures:

18 Responses, average of 23.1 miles.

Many execuses for NOT commuting tho:

1) It's Raining
2) Roads are icy
3) Too cold
4) Below 30 degrees (F)
5) Its snowing
6) Too short a distance
7) I have to take kids to daycare
   (Didn't we have some thread on bungees for this?)
8) Have no bike
9) Ride a bicycle instead
10) Ran over little girl chasing a tennis ball....wrecked bike.

Figured it out...for a good day (T/TH), average 30.8 MPH  (45 speedlimit ave)
Bad day (MWF) average slips to 19.6 MPH  (Same roads)  :-/

Steve Hahn
VF700F Pilot
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Harley riders are JAGOFFS!!
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:32:24 GMT

In article <1as8t7INNpc9@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
> Why do people ride Harleys?

Because they lack the insecurity that causes other people to buy fast
rice burners and then brag about how fast their plastic coated toy is
compared to other bikes.

- Roid
From: eeharvey@cybaswan.UUCP (i t harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: car-to-bike jump start
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:43:59 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

asper@sbctri.sbc.com (Alan E. Asper) writes:
[...]
: 
: PS Since there will undoubtedly be differing opinions, please only reply
: if (i) you actually tried this and it worked, or (ii) you actually tried
: this and blew your face off.
: :-|
: 

(ii) Worked OK for me...

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________
  Ian Harvey, University College Swansea         Too old to rock'n'roll
  eeharvey@uk.ac.swan.pyr                              Too young to die
                              '79 GS750E                              
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From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: re: calling mature riders
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:21:45 GMT

>this (ok, last) summer, my 55-year old uncle told me he is
>considering getting into motorcycling (finally, a family
>ally!).  however, he is concerned that he is too old to start.

>can riders who started relatively late in life offer some
>words of encouragement to my uncle?

>noemi

     My grandmother used to say that if you can get your butt (she
used a different word) on the seat without too much help, you aren't
too old to ride. Besides, if he flies, what else can he find that
banks the right way in a turn?
    I suggest he start with a cheep used 350cc to 450cc rat bike and
take a MSF course. Then, when he feels he is ready, get the sports
series Harley of his choice. (The tour versions are hard to manage
without a lot of experience) This way, he can look "cool" without
doing the dumb things.


Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

*************************************************************
   "Never trust anyone in a cage, if they weren't nuts
    they'd be on a scoot like anybody else."
                        Grandmother
=============================================================




Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: spgo@is.morgan.com (Stefan Goellner)
Subject: Re: We are sick and tired!!
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:23:03 GMT

[ Whining deleted ] 

Build a kill file and use 'k' judiciously. My recent question about snapped
off bolts generated lots of responses (gee I wonder how all of you knew the
answer to that question so quickly :-) Thanks to all BTW). Does your email
work? Maybe you posted a tricky question to which not many people know the
answer. Yes, there's a lot of junk floating through here, part of which is
people whining about things they don't like about wreck.moto. So learn how
to sift judiciously or hit 'u'. It's a free net.

--
Stef            aka  spgo@is.morgan.com   DoD#0190 
'82 KZ550 (Commuter) '84 750 Interceptor (Toy) '86 Alfa GTV6 (Money drain)
                Warning: I brake for radar traps. 
        Disclaimer? I don't need no steenkin' disclaimer!
From: kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley riders are JAGOFFS!!
Summary: Note error to avoid flaming innocent third party
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:43:52 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <4013@cvbnetPrime.COM>, tjohnson@atcc5.prime.com (Tod J Johnson) writes:
] In article <2OCT92085150@fnalc.fnal.gov> krafft@fnalc.fnal.gov writes:

   (stereotypical bullshit about Harleys, fraught with spelling errors)

] >Keith Krafft Krafft@fnal.fnal.gov | "I love booze, I need booze


tjohnson@atcc5.prime.com (Tod J Johnson) replies with:

 
] Kevin;

(Chastising for above post as set-up for following humorous 
bash-fest:  )
 


] 
] 	So get out there on that JAP piece of shit you obviously are stupid
] enough to own; keep your visor down to avoid rice-in-eye, crank the speed
] and tach up, and keep on wavin til you run into a friggin brick wall!! And 
] it's Harley, not Harlee you pansy ass JAP piece of shit rider. Get a clue
] you inferior bastard.
] 
] Sincerely;
] 
] Tod J. Johnson
] DoD #883
] "Go Slow, Take Geritol, Keep This Bashing Shit Off The Net Asshole!!"

While my name does begin with K, I do own a JAP bike(FJ), I apparently
am stupid (I took calc II 3 times), my helmet is full of rice, my
speedo goes to 300 and my tach to 21KRPM, and I will certainly soon
drive into a wall, I have never spelled Harley wrong.   And the person
who wrote the post bitching about Harleys is:

krafft@fnal.fnal.gov

and not me.  Obviously, Mr. Krafft is as well versed in the Jedi Mind
Trick, to throw return flames off his scent and onto mine ( I could
use a shower) as he is in applying the cold, hard, grip of logic, if his
post is any indication of his intellect.

    As I am one of two Kevins that regularly post, please disregard
the incorrect flame pointer-to in the witty and elacious reply of Mr.
Johnson. 

                                            Thank you,
                                              Kevin
                                             DoD#3278
From: thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: stupid people
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:21:31 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <1992Sep28.171747.23707@osf.org> jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.160710.2903@ichips.intel.com> mfisch@ichips.intel.com writes:
>>In article <23753@sybase.sybase.com>, thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow) writes:
>>|> 
>>|> took me for a 'ride' one lunchtime..  I nearly lost the lunch..
>>|> I don't think ANY bike could have kept up with the violent
>>|> cornering that I was subjected to :-)
>>
>>  So I guess you've taken a few laps on the back with Kevin Schwantz
>>and are qualified to make that sort of comparison, right ??? :-+
>>
>Remember the comparison Motorcyclist did a couple years back pitting the
>Corvette ZR against the Yamaha FZR1000? The *only* contest the bike lost was
>the skid pad. The bike blasted the Vette in straightaways on the track
>and on the drag strip. The two best parts of that test was the fact that the
>car ate up a thousand dollars worth of tires, and the bike barely showed
>any use and the fact that you could buy something like seven FZR's for the
>price of the Vette.
>
>-John

Motorcyclist also admitted in the article that the MC rider was an
experienced racer whilst the car driver was not..   hmmm....
Well, I've since been given track numbers from Sears Point Raceway
on 'street based bikes' and 'street based cars'...  as sears point
is pretty curvy except for one stretch (I forget how many yards)...
I have to concede that these days, the modern sportbike with the
GOOD rider will probably best the modern car with a GOOD driver
barring any unforseen nastiness like gravel and oil...

well..  guess I'm just not with the times !

-t.c.




--
"We must be careful not to discourage our 12-year-olds by making them   
 waste the best years of their lives on preparing for examinations.  If
 we do not stifle their interest in science, one of them has a chance to
 be the new Heisenberg..."              - Freeman Dyson
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Drinking & Helmets
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:32:03 GMT

jimwy@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com (Jim Wygralak) writes:
>alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming) writes:

>>I'd drink to that, but this damned face shield is in the way.

>I ran into this very problem last weekend.
>Before I took off an an hour long ride to a buddie's place,
>I stuffed a 16oz bottle of soda in my pocket, with the intent of
>sipping on it while waiting at stoplights along the way.

Just to belabor an obvious point, that wasn't a _glass_ bottle was it?

>It wasnt till I was sitting in traffic about half way there and
>pulled the bottle out that I realized that my Shoei RF200 full face
>helmet made drinking from a bottle pretty much impossible.

>Has anyone come up with any clever solutions to enable them to
>consume liquid refreshments while suited up?

There are a couple of widgets out there. The CamelBak is a canteen you
wear like a backpack, a foam pouch holds a plastic bladder that has a
drinking tube with a valve you bite down on to open. About $35 from
Chaparral, or most any bike shop.

The other one is the WaterBoy, but it has apparently been discontinued,
so good luck finding one. It's a hard plastic bottle with a long hose
and a squeeze bulb. You pressurize the bottle by pumping the bulb, then
push the button on the bulb to get a drink. You can also soak yourself
down while riding, for cool desert crossings, something you can't do
with the CamelBak.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris)
Subject: Re: ST1100 still reigns supreme
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:55:21 GMT

In article <2574@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> joe@mpd.tandem.com writes:
>
>significantly cheaper insurance, 
>and a BMW [mfg'd by Cross (tm)] pen & pencil set.
>
Haven't quite figured out yet why my insurance company wants more for
the '77 Honda 400F than the '85 K100RS. Somethun's gutta be wrong dere.
I  was pleased to find out that the K bike doesn't have the full-coverage-
fairing surcharge.

Also, for things you can get from BMW - color coordinated kidney belts
with the ever popular color-coordinated key holder so your tank doesn't 
get scratched. How about three different rear shocks? And of course
the only one which really counts - bags. Hard sidecases and tail trunk
with liners plus the best tank bag I've ever used. Oops, I *wasn't*
going to get dragged into this one.......8-(

-John
============================================================================
                            John S. Morris  #0316
  Open Software Foundation - 11 Cambridge Centre - Cambridge, MA 02142 USA
    Voice: +1 (617) 621-8739 Fax: +1 (617) 621-0584 Email: jsm@osf.org
                           Ride: K100RS Cage: 320i 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: K75 counterbalancer? (Was: BMW K100rs)
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 22:33:12 GMT

In article <ssuhouns.718032177@reading> ssuhouns@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Paul Marshall Hounslow) writes:
>>>
>>>AND IT BUZZES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>
>Both the 8-valve K100RT, and the 16-valve K100LT that I have owned,
>didn't buzz, they vibrated a bit between 50-60mph, but nobody goes at those
>speeds around here.  Mind you, they look familiar to something you lot have to
>put up with ;-)
>
>>Dozer report that says 3-series buzz or heard anyone complain about
>>the vibration! 
>----
>73's de Paul                         The smelling pistakes are all my own.
>Packet: G4YFY@GB7BEQ                 I have no employer (I retired ;-).
>EMail:  ssuhouns@susssys1.rdg.ac.uk  1990 16 valve K100RS(LT)    DoD #0573
   [    various good stuff deleted above ...   ]

If you don't thing the three cylinder vibrates, or buzz's, you haven't 
turned on the power above 5000 rpm.  Granted, they are real smooth under
4500 rpm, but BMW put short gears in the K-75's so that just about the
time you get above slug speed (70MPH), you run into the buzz area.

I'd rather have a K-100 that's real smooth above 5000 rpm (~80MPH), or even
better my current K-1100 that's real smooth above 4500.  Nobody around here
runs below these speeds enough to talk about anyway!


Charlie Smith    csmith@dsac.dla.mil  charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers# 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff.
             {  Friends don't let friends ride Japanese bikes  }
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How far do you commute?
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:39:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: elektro.1992Oct2.183909.3455
Distribution: usa
Organization: Why do you suspect that?

In article <92273.112423HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET> <HAHN@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
>
>How far does the average Denizen commute?
>

How about 15 miles each way.  Used to be 35, but I fixed that ...

Charlie Smith    csmith@dsac.dla.mil  charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers# 411, BK Ohio V 
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff. 
             {  Friends don't let friends ride Japanese bikes  }
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Whereis DoD FAQ?
Date: 4 Oct 92 22:51:10 GMT
Followup-To: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org
Distribution: usa
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1992Oct4.170847.3325@elektro.cmhnet.org>, root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
> Has there been an October posting of the DoD FAQ?  I haven't seen one
> for Sept 92 or Oct 92.  Maybehaps my cnews setup is dropping it into
> the FAQ-bucket, but I don't think so.


gee, its right here:

16169  FAQ - What is the DoD?                 blgardne@javelin.si   778  1-Oct


-- 
--
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: kadric@faw.uni-ulm.de (Lilijan Kadric)
Subject: Experience with SLICK 50
Organization: FAW (Research Institute For Applied Knowledge Processing, Ulm, Germany)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 09:10:28 GMT

I have a Yamaha XT600 and I'm thinking of adding SLICK 50 with the next oil change.
This additive is supposed to be added only once in 60.000 miles.
Now I was wondering if this product is any good or whether it may cause damage to the
engine.
So if anyone has made experience with SLICK 50 please drop me a note.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: parker@gdls.CSCTMD.COM (The Dougster)
Subject: Re: clueless cager nails brain-dead biker (LONG)
Keywords: ooh! ow! aaaaah!
Organization: Computer Sciences Corp. @ General Dynamics
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:21:35 GMT

In article <arturo.717435488@infmx>,
arturo@informix.com (Arturo Vega) writes:
> 
> [cager beans motorcyclist]
>
> mainly, i think i got nailed because i let my mind wander as i got
> close to home (i commute about 23 miles, one way, every day. this
> happened almost within sighting distance of home ... )
> ..
> i was also thinking about
> what i would do after getting home (another Bad Move (tm)), and
> thus could not react quickly enough.

Most accidents happen within 25 miles of home. A friend of mine heard
this--and moved! :-)

So sorry to hear you're incapacitated. Can you ride with two casts? ;-)

Douglas                                  DoD#1961  BMWMOA  Renting:N56136
            [Life is for learning.]
Reply-To: gdls!parker@ilium.troy.msen.com

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer)
Subject: Re: question #6 answered (was Re: Stupid Questions)
Organization: Texas Instruments Information Technology Group    Plano TX
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:49:51 GMT

In article <BvIJF5.CFM@cmptrc.lonestar.org> neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:
>>In article <1afidjINN35f@cs.utexas.edu>, osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:
>>> 6.  What was the ugliest motorcycle ever produced?  (New, not ratted out.)
>
>How about a GoldWing with all the bodywork removed (like a plucked bird)
>as mentioned in a r.m post a couple months ago?
>

The original Wings were not ugly at all.  Tho I admit, it would be interesting
to see a modern one plucked.

-- 
Keith Schauer		Texas Instruments	Plain O, Texas
80 CB900 Custom		
DoD #0901		In an insane society, the sane man must appear insane.
			My company disavows any knowledge of my actions.
From: thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: calling mature riders
Date: 30 Sep 92 05:57:15 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

noemi@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Noemi Berry) writes:

>can riders who started relatively late in life offer some
>words of encouragement to my uncle?

I think it all comes down to attitude.  If your uncle is truly
willing to approach riding with the realization that he has a
lot to learn, then I would feel comfortable encouraging him to
start riding.  If, on the other hand, he feels his age entitles
him to skip training, I'd be worried.

I'd also talk to him at some length about the pro's and con's
of motorcycling, since he (like most people) probably has a lot
of misconceptions.  Is he willing to wear the proper protective
gear?  Does he realize how heavy a motorcycle is?  Etc, etc.
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    DoD #47    Would you remember a 1-line .sig?
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