From: wbrown@access.digex.com (William Brown)
Subject: Re: Spike Lee
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:35:47 GMT

In article <DuPsTB1w163w@peewee> peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) writes:
>1.  Over 20 states outlaw sexual intercourse between consenting adult 
>    gay men.
>
>I oppose any reference to the words "gay" in any statutes.  This would
>mean that gays are protected by the same laws that anyone else is
>protected by.  That goes for job discrimination, housing discrimination,
>assault & battery, and all other individual rights under the Constitution.
>
>	>Now you may argue that it's the form of sexual contact being 
>	>regulated, not homosexuality.  
>	
>Sex belongs in the bedroom and out of the courts and statutes.        
>	
>	>From the above you may or may not acknowledge that in 20+ states 
>	>gay male relationships are banned.  
>	
>They're legal in Georgia now, and I thought Georgis was about the most        
>redneck state in the country.  The Supreme Court even struck down a
>law in some state recently where a homosexual couple was arrested for
>being homosexual.  I think this will set a nationwise precedent.  And
>we know how CONSERVATIVE today's Supreme Court is.  Not to worry.
>
>	>In the overwhelming majority of states and localities it is legal 
>	>to deny employment, child custody (and visitation rights), housing, 
>	>and official government recognition of relationships to lesbians, 
>	
>I oppose gay marriages, simply because a gay couple shouldn't get any tax        
>breaks, like we give to heterosexual couples.  But then, I also oppose the
>state giving tax breaks to heterosexual couples.  I feel that this is a
>violation of the separation of church and state.  But I'm obviously not
>speaking for a majority of voters.
>	
>	>I refer to the slowness or total lack of police response to gay 
>	>bashing incidents, and frequent jury acquittals or judge dismissals 
>	>of suspects (recent case in Texas:  man convicted of gay-bashing 
>	>incident; 
>
>Cops are a limited resource, granted.  They should treat all battery cases
>with the same priority.
>
>	>keeping your children, access to housing, and marriage are privileges 
>	>not rights, and that this is another key distinction.
>
>If I had my way, gays could marry just like heterosexuals do.  There would be
>no tax bennies for anyone, just because they marry.
>
>There is no law, anywhere, that says it's okay to discriminate against someone
>because he's a homosexual.  Except in the armed forces.
>						       
>	>I want to be clear that the above section of this posting is only 
>	>challenging your assumption that our society "allows" consenting 
>	>adults to be lesbian, gay, or bisexual.  
>	
>What state has a statute that says homosexuality in the bedroom is illegal?        
>I'd like to check up on this for myself.
>	
>	>I have not argued either way that homosexuality should or should
>	>not be "allowed".  
>	
>Same here; I just said it was "gross".
>
>	>As to your blatant homophobia (expressed specifically in your post 
>	>by "allow" and "(Gross!)":
>
>So I'm a little homopathic, but not homophobic.  "Phobia" refers to having 
>an abnormal fear of something.  I got fired from my $40K job for making AIDS 
>jokes on a newsgroup called "alt.tasteless".  I thought this was protected 
>speech.  The homosexual lobby went after me with a vengeance.  I received 
>public threats on a few gay newsgroups, yet not one reader of the homosexual 
>newsgroup(s) made a public statement in  my favor.  My damn name was dragged
>through the national newspapers and on local television.  So homophobic, most
>definitely not.
>
>But you know what...I don't hate any gay people.  I'd never vote to make it a
>crime to be gay.  I just don't support the drive for "politically correct"
>speech.
>
>	>how generous of your liberal, tolerant self to "allow" 10% of the 
>	>population to exist.
>
>What do you feel about the 15% or so of the population in jail for drug
>crimes, with no violence whatsoever associated with their cases?  Do they
>deserve to be in trouble?  I vote no.  As usual, I'm in the minority.
>How liberal are YOU?
>
>Philip Stromer (peewee@infoserv.com)


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