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Original-From: mhwpa!ktw (Kenneth T Wolman +1 201 564 2866)
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:43:00 EST
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Subject: Re: Anne Rice
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>>Count me in as another who's indifferent to Rice - don't understand her
>>appeal at all.
>
>This is the most unconscionable RICE-BASHING I have ever . . . . It's
>unspeakable.

Fried Rice, perhaps??

Come on, guys, "Interview..." wasn't that bad, though I nodded off
trying to read "Lestat."  "Cry to Heaven," the book about castrato
singers, was a good page-turner.

Ken
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Guess who I bumped into today
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> This must be Wordslers encounter celebrities week!  First Rita with
> Dukakis, and now you, Rashmi.  These things go in threes...wonder who will
> be the next to meet someone famous.
> ndh

Well, on Monday, I was about five feet from our new vice-pres and
his lovely wife Tipper and his four kids, as well as the new
NC governor and assorted Democratic dignitaries.  But, that was at
a political rally, so I guess it doesn't really count.  But my wife
(tc/sw) did get to shake Gore's hand, and she was in <ecstacy>...
turned on by another man, boring as he is.
--ggs
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: "ILLITERATE GENERATION"
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>Pardon me. I would not even attempt to hazard a guess as to why a
>WORDS-Ler would use a term such as "illiterate generation." Being, most
>likely, the youngest on the list, I must take solace in believing that
>the quotation marks indicated a direct quotation from an ill-informed
>speaker.

Knotted knickers? Those can be very dangerous, especially here, you'd better
unravel them immediately. :-)

Here 'illiterate generation' is synonymous with 'TV generation'...children
who became so engrossed in TV that they rarely advanced their reading or
writing skills beyond the functional level. My Linguistic 101 tutorials have
been full of them for the last three years and for the last 5 years, I have
been involved in literacy tutoring, where it was the same story.

>Surely, one person realizes that the new generation is not less
>intelligent, but merely unprepared for a quickly changing world.

I know better than to equate 'illiteracy' with 'lack of intelligence',
don't you? The sad truth is that many exceptionally intelligent people are
being denied further education because they do not possess the ability to
express themselves in writing nor to properly comprehend what they read.
Of course, this has always been the case, so subsequent generations are no
more prone to illiteracy than my generation, it's just that the importance
of literacy has been greatly magnified and the amount of time allocated to
the acquisition of literacy in the educational system has been drastically
reduced.

>Since the world media has intensified competition between countries, there is
>a greater pressure on individuals like myself to somehow to find
>employment and happiness in a world where "picking up a trade" is no
>longer an option.

I understand your position, I have 3 sons around your age - only one of whom
is in the workforce, holding down 3 part-time jobs, while still looking for
full-time employment. Two of my sons failed English at the HSC, which has
severely hampered them in their pursuit of employment, while some of their
fellow classmates who acquired good literacy and numeracy skills had little
difficulty in obtaining work straight from school and didn't experience the
need for higher education.

Carolyn
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Date: 6 Nov 92 20:29:00 GMT
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Congrats and welcome back.

later

alec
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Subject:      Re: Fun for all
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Posted on 7 Nov 1992 at 02:42:37 by (Agnes Kruchio)
>> > Everyone is invited to pick up a sledgehammer and work ou
>> > their frustrations on some old mainframes and minis.
>Going through some old mail, I came accross this post.
>I wonder whether these computers could not have been donated to
>all-too needy third world universities, hospitals and businesses.
>Typical.

Agnes--I've never really understood this.  Most old computers *are*
junk by the time they are junked, and nobody really wants junk. We
have at least 20 PC Juniors that we can't get rid of--nobody even
wants them as a donation, because they are so antiquated and won't
run any but the most limited software.  So give these people a break.
How do *you* know they haven't tried to donate them first, but were
unable?

Karen
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Date: 5 Nov 92 13:02:18
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In-reply-to: tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU's message of Wed, 4 Nov 1992 12:04:26 CST

Tushar reminisces:
[...]
   His argument had a very reasonable ring to it, especially when he downed
   his demand to twenty cents. "Losing twenty cents is far better than losing
   twenty dollars," he said, "and giving twenty cents in a good cause is better
   than losing them." It was very compelling till I discovered the catch and
   said that losing no money at all is much better than all of the above.

   He conceded it with good grace, though he shrugged with sadness. That's what
   endeared me to him.

   tushar

I think my favorite has to be when I was walking in the Haight w/my sister
and a youthful street denizen asked, "Spare some change for psychedelic
research?"

Figured he was already well on his way to making inroads on his "scientific
research" so declined to assist, but I remember his schtick for the
appropriateness of it...and for getting a little bit of a chuckle out of an
otherwise pathetic situation.

//anne//
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Computer Nerd/Geek Contest
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:28:29 GMT
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In a previous article, ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Dan Lester) says:

>On Wed, 28 Oct 1992 22:30:09 EST Tony @ Brownvm said:
>>I still have a fine slide rule made by the Picket company in the USA.  I
>>bought it in 1972 when I started university, and yes - it does have a
>
>   I wish I had mine.  Bought in 1960 when I started college in California.
>Also had my fathers K&E (as was mine) from the 30s, about 1936.  But both
My dad's is a K&E; he's still using it.:-)  I have no idea how old it is, but
1960 sounds about right.  He even has a pocket model, that rides in his 
pocket protector, along with a half dozen pens.:-)  He was a proto-nerd
before we knew what a nerd was.

>have been lost somewhere in the innumerable moves, etc.  I'm sad about
>that.  Both were important parts of my life, especially since I inherited
>my fathers at age 17, two months after HS grad.
That's sad.  I've always felt like that about my great-grandfather's
drafting set.  It rode all over the West, especially Colorado, in a 
saddlebag.  The outer case is pretty beat-up, but the inside is close to the
way Daniel Dietz got it new.  Still works too - I've tried it.:-)  

>  Bought my first calculator with trig functions, scientific notation,
>etc, in late 1973 when they came down to a hundred bucks for the model
>I wanted.
Whee - I paid about $25 for something with more stuff than that in 1982.
The one I bought can now be outdone by $10 models which weigh a lot less.
Did you ever see one of those programmable things they had back then?  
LED display, and about two inches thick?:-)


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From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: Adventures in Democracy
Date: 6 Nov 1992 04:25:34 GMT
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In a previous article, "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 " (815) says:

>: Democratic scum, the incumbent, Harold Volkmer.  His Republican opponent
>: is a professor (I think economics, Steve!) at Mizzou, and of course we
>: know that he only works 6 hours/week!
>
>What is the Republican's name?  Maybe I've got some dirt on him.
>Missouri's economics department is notoriously bad.  They went into
Their computer center doesn't have a much better reputation; the Bitnet
link is perpetually yo-yoing.  Bitnet connections are known for being a tad
unreliable, but this is rediculous.
>civil disorder and the dean had to appoint a receiver, in effect, as
>chairman, a few years ago.  Students that flunk out of Northern
>have little trouble getting into Missouri.  Maybe your state got the
>less bad scum.
Political scum is political scum, Steve; the labels may change, and the
exact makeup of the scum may change, but its effects don't.:-(  We elected
some of our own in CT this week.  Also the year Weicker got elected.<ecch>


>
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Sick System
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  Your system
> was apparently sick over the weekend.
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Indeed it was sick.  Last night ndh phoned me and said the 1-800 number
would allow us to log on, which allowed us to get some relief.  We
actually used the voice phone yesterday. Unbelievable.
Doris
From: samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
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>Well, non-antidisestablishmentarianistally speaking, my dear, I really
>think it's time Britain followed the US lead and separated Church from
>State.  We still have to swear alliegance to God first and the Queen
>second when we enlist in our Army.  It wasn't easy not to choke :-(

What happens in India is that about 24 in 25 cabinet ministers swear in
in the name of god anyway. I have myself seen only one minister invoking
honesty or honour or something.

tushar
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Disinterested, disinterred...
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The outcome of the great uninterested/disinterest debate some time
ago was uncertain, but the place where natalie and I managed to
agree was that the best source of data was to wait for natural
utterances of either word and record them.  Well, today, for the
first time since we spoke, I've seen one of those words in print:
in the Independent (newspaper) Magazine (supplement) I found
tonight "Still, I am hardly a disinterested judge..."

I'll keep you updated if I spot any others.  After about 10 years
we should know whether britain or america preserve the distinction
between the two :-)

G
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>Are you annoyed? It begins to sound almost as if you were annoyed.

Me? Never! 'Bichabum' is a term I use with all my loved ones when they are
having a go at me. :-)

>I was merely pointing out that over the generations, as more and more ordinary
>human beings go to school, the situation regarding such words has normalized
>too. Chanting supra-something possibly impressed kids then, but now it is
>something most calculated to get you branded as a twit.

Agreed! Our word was 'antidisestablishmentarism' and it wasn't chanted - we
endeavoured to try to work it into our conversations appropriately whenever
possible. The other 'super......' belonged to a later generation.

>There are subtle distinctions. Saying floccinaucinihilipilification will
>make people wonder whether you think you are an Eton boy or Harrow, but
>saying supracalifragilisticexpialidocious will merely make them certain
>that you are an insufferable twit.

That describes the distinction I was trying to make very well.

>Expressing these complicated thoughts is sometimes difficult, so I have to
>take recourse to very very cliched invectives instead of, like, words.
>
>tushar

Actually, Tushar, you do remarkably well for someone from the 'illiterate
generation'. :-)

Carolyn
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Date: 11 Nov 1992 06:09:40 GMT
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In a previous article, ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Dan Lester) says:

>On Thu, 5 Nov 1992 10:37:00 EST gilbertsmith said:
>>Well, on Monday, I was about five feet from our new vice-pres and
>>his lovely wife Tipper and his four kids, as well as the new
>
>   That censorious bitch?  Shit.....I voted for them, but Tipper gave
>me even more pause than Quayle did last time....
>   But I finally did it....
>
Even I find myself praying for the very good health and long life of
Bill Clinton.  First Lady Tipper Gore is enough to give me nightmares....
Quayle may be a prize bumbler, but at least he argues in favor of free
speech, if only be default.:-)

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              at Oct 27, 92 2:12 pm

>
> 	For the Boston-area Wordslers...
>
>
>
> > Subject: Boston Computer Society's first ever Demolition Derby
> > Nntp-Posting-Host: posse.mit.edu
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> > Distribution: ne
> > Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1992 08:43:46 GMT
> >
> > Please don't think we're too politically incorrect--we just thought this
> > sounded like fun. Everyone is invited to pick up a sledgehammer and work out
> > their frustrations on some old mainframes and minis.


Going through some old mail, I came accross this post.

I wonder whether these computers could not have been donated to
all-too needy third world universities, hospitals and businesses.
Typical.

Agnes
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              753-6980" at Nov 9, 92 8:14 pm

>
> > Don't let your ideology get in the way of common sense.
>
> I won't if you won't.

Ideology? Moi? Not me - just charitable - and pragmatic.

>
> Steve Karlson
>
> Get a good start and sail on the lifted tack.
>	^^^^
Maybe you should heed your own advice, Steve...
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>I mean you were reducing our intelligent conversation to a trivial
>level by making snide remarks about tushar being a twit. (Twice!).

You strangely forget that you got called a twit yourself, Toal. If
you want to compound the snideness, I am not above reminding you of
this.

tushar
From: harwell@TENET.EDU (Anne Burton Harwell)
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On Wed, 11 Nov 1992, Evelyn wrote:

>   I love Lestat; I wish I could be like him:  full of life and laughter.

Erp, he's undead, right?

What would you say about Henny Youngman?

-abh
From: PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Judith E. Schrier)
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Date: 10 Nov 92 14:52:31 GMT
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>What this has to do with Mountainwater is up to anybody to guess.
>
>--bayla
Bergwasser? Bergstrom?  Wasserberg? Stromberg?

judith
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Date: 6 Nov 92 03:25:24 GMT
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> Out of curiosity, what was everyone else doing on that day?
>
On November 22, 1923 I was teaching junior high school in Corpus Christi,
Texas.  Our school's registrar, who was a practical joker, told us that
Kennedy had been shot and not a soul believed her.  It was not until a
couple of other teachers located a radio that we realized that the
unbelievable had happened.
Doris
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Greetings,

As for the mechanics of citing an electronic communication, I suspect they
must be derived from the practices that are used in citing other kinds of
nonpublished communications, such as snail correspondence.  Apart from
that, I think the rules are no different than those that govern any
other sort of scholarly or formal communication.  It is unethical to use
others' words without giving appropriate credit.

Marty
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> >> > --ggs (still bored with most of what is going on.  Somebody
> >> > <stimulate> me, please)
> >>
> >> Ooof! <tickle, tickle>
> >> That's about all I can offer...
> >> -abh
> >
> >Oooooo, thanks, annie.... that did the <trick>.
> >--ggs (<quicker> than gt....)
>
> Oh, that's all it takes, then. How come you were ever bored?
> tushar

Because I didn't have my annie around.
--ggs
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
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: Yup!  You got it!  By definition, the God I believe in is beyond human
: understanding.  Then too, I've been accused of being lost in space before.
: Frankly, half the time I'm not sure the accusers are wrong.:-)

Good grief!  You mean you *don't understand* your God yet you follow
His word as if it were gospel?  Don't you *think for yourself* woman?

I've just realised what you are.  You're not a Christian.  You're a
bibliolater.  You worship the words in the bible (as written by Dead
White Men) more than you worship God.  Here's a clue: try following
the words that God gives to *you* *personally*.  What?  He doesn't
speak to you? Well, how about following your conscience instead of
a book.  Isn't bibliolatry next to idolatry in the scale of sinfulness?

: >Moslems are distraught by the sight of unveiled females, does that mean they
: >have a write to amend any local constitution so that any ban on
 discrimination
: >against women with bare heads would be illegal?

: You missed the whole point of my original comments.  I didn't say that it
: ought to be illegal, I *said* that I couldn't vote for it.  Would you ask
: a pro-veil Moslem to vote in favor of an ordinance permitting women to
: leave them off in the workplace?  You shouldn't ask someone to vote
: against her or his conscience, no matter what the vote is about.  That may
: mean a person's choosing not to vote on an issue, because she couldn't
: vote either yes or no with a clear conscience.

Please tell us how you would vote on:
1) Measures to make discrmination against gays illegal.  (Don't muddy
the waters with unrelated questions about positive discriminatin - something
I don't approve of either)  Note before you answer that many churches
practise precisely the sort of discrimination that is being discussed.

2) Legalization of abortion for foetuses that could be proven to grow
up gay.

3) Legalization of enforced psychiatric treatment if homosexuality could
be proven to have a genetic cause.

4) Legalization of same-sex marriages

Until I hear satisfactory answers from you on those points I'll lump
you with all the other bible bashers.  if you do answer all these
questions in a *decent* Christian manner I hereby apologise very
profusely in advance for having harangued you here.

G
From: gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK (Graham Toal)
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Aborigine wagga-wagga: possibly, or perhaps New Guinea inhabitants are
related?

G
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From: AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Entropy Warrior)
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>>Is it safe to come out now?
>>
>>-K
>>
>>-Mka
>>

To which Ruth:

>No!  This list is highly intolerant of people who use politically incorrect
>terminology - your so-called "manhole" should be called a "human-accessable
>maintenence hatch" or some similar phrase.  Change it to its correct form
>and you will be allowed to rejoin the discussions....

Oh.  Butt plug.

-K

-Mka
Ollie Ollie North is free