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From: jakilpat@tostada.engr.ucdavis.edu (John Andrew Kilpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Cal (UC Berkeley) Band
Date: 30 Dec 92 09:35:13 GMT
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Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis

The Cal-Aggie Marching Band-uh! is still a student run band, but just not as
student run as it used to be.  Due to some trouble that we got in last year
we are being "restructured", whatever that means.  But we still are student
run, for the most part.  WE have a faculty condutor, and he leads the rehersal
during football season and gets us ready for Picnic Day (remember, that's where
we kick the butts of: Cal, Stanford, Humbolt, Cal Poly, and anyone else brave
enuff to show up).  All other officers are students.  The drum major writes the
show every week during football season and leads us on the field.  The student
director leads us at all other times.  There are a bunch of other officers, but
I am to lazy to tell you what they do.


-- 
******************************John A. Kilpatrick*******************************
*"I gotta fly like a duck.......... | Alternate lyrics for "Back to Paradise" *
* I gotta run like a wounded badger"|    from Gundam 0083: StarDust Memory    *
*************************jakilpat@taco.engr.ucdavis.edu************************
From: Liza_Weissler@rand.ORG (Liza Weissler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Worst Bowl Game Halftime of 1992
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:53:32 GMT
Organization: The RAND Corporation, Santa Monica, California

I realize it's a little early in the bowl season to be making this
judgment, but...my vote for worst bowl game halftime goes to USC
for their lousy Freedom Bowl performance.  

Sorry for flaming, but I have to say this...

WAKE UP, USC!  I've been listening to the same stupid music week
after week after week for ten football seasons.  (And no, I'm
not even talking about fight songs, that has been covered in 
an earlier discussion on this newsgroup.)

Why is it that you continue to play music that was first played 
when I was in the band way back in 1977-1982?  It's bad enough that
we had to listen to the same music all this football season, but
to repeat them at a bowl game (especially "Tusk" and "Sing Sing Sing") 
is simply pathetic.  You had a whole month, couldn't you learn anything 
new?   The USC Band of old, and probably all of the current top 
bands in the country, learned new music every week and put some
real effort into a bowl performance (no matter WHICH bowl game it
was).

Good thing you aren't in the Rose Bowl, as Michigan would blow you
off the field. 

Grrrr...end of flame.  I'm still a loyal USC alum, but I really think
the band needs a new director.  And an arranger.


        ---  __o          Liza Weissler
     ----  _`\<,_         The RAND Corporation, Santa Monica, CA
      --- (*)/ (*)        liza@rand.org
			  USC Band (Piccolo) 1977-1982
From: jakilpat@tostada.engr.ucdavis.edu (John Andrew Kilpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: UCLA fight songs (was: UCLA rumor)
Date: 30 Dec 92 09:30:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis

In article <randall.725075310@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>Cal has a LOT more songs than this.  Some of them are:
>
>Big C, Fight For California (Lights Out March), Sons of California,
>Cal Indian Song, California We're For You, The Golden Bear, The
>Stanford Jonah, By The Old Pacific's Rolling Waters, Cal Band March,
>Hail To California, All Hail, Fight 'Em (about Washington), Bear
>Down You Golden Bear (not played anymore ... written by the same
>guy who wrote "Fight On For USC"), California Marching Song,
>Make Way For the Bear, Roll On (Massed Band Special), One More
>River (also used by Navy).
>

At UC Daivs, we also play a lot of those: Big C, Sons of California, Hail to
California and also some of our own: Roll big C-A roll, Cal-AggiFight SOng,
and some other.  Also, when we eat together as a band in public, when we are
done we have to sing Sons of California.  You should see the looks this gets
us when we do in at McDonalds.
-- 
******************************John A. Kilpatrick*******************************
*"I gotta fly like a duck.......... | Alternate lyrics for "Back to Paradise" *
* I gotta run like a wounded badger"|    from Gundam 0083: StarDust Memory    *
*************************jakilpat@taco.engr.ucdavis.edu************************
From: Jeramia.Ory@launchpad.unc.edu (Jeramia Ory)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Georgia Tech!
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:33:56 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <78663@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1293c@prism.gatech.EDU (W. Scott Radeker, IV) writes:
>I just have one thing to say:
>I'm a ramblin' wreck from Georgia Tech,
>and a helluva engineer.
>a helluva helluva helluva helluva
>helluva engineer.
>Like all the jolly good fellows,
>I drink my whiskey clear.
>I am ramblin' wreck from Georgia Tech,
>and a helluva engineer.
>
	So _that's_ what the words are.  When we (Nebraska) played you
guys in the Citrus Bowl in '91 all we could make out were the first two
lines, so we sang the entire tune after that as helluva helluva helluva ...
etc., substituting f*cking queer for engineer.  Ah, memories

>-- 
>W. Scott Radeker, IV			                      Cast Member 

Jeramia Ory
Jeramia.Ory@bbs.oit.unc.edu
ory@dccc.med.umn.edu


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
From: jmoulton@mothra.syr.EDU (Ana Ng)
Subject: Re: Credit for band?
Keywords: (remember distribution usa)
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 01:43:01 EST

In article <1992Dec18.003311@IASTATE.EDU> knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites) writes:
>I was just wondering what kind of credit you guys get for beibg in your marching
>bands.  At Iowa State we practice an hour and a half each weekday and about an
>hour on gamedays for one credit and no grade!  I know some bands get more
>credit, and some get a grade to go into their GPA.  What's the scoop?
>
>FINALS ARE DONE!!!!!
>Andy Combites
>ISUCF"V"MB Trombone

Here in the SUMB, we practice 2 hours each night, Monday to Thursday, and have
a two-hour practice on Saturday mornings before games. We get one credit, and
the University has recently changed it to an A-F class, with an option for
Pass/Fail. It used to be the other way around.
Our grades are based mostly on attendance and effort.

-Jen
SUMB Piccolos
jmoulton@mailbox.syr.edu
From: tonyamm@carson.u.washington.edu (Tonya May)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Michigan High Step [Was Re: More U$C]
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:00:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec22.230016.7621
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1h850qINN49m@agate.berkeley.edu> timc@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Tim Castro) writes:
>The Michigan Band came marching by in full High (Chair?) Step, playing
>their lips off.  It was pretty impressive.  I don't know how they were
>able to keep that up and do a show later on that afternoon.

  They keep it up because they don't play like that the entire parade route.
After the parade last year (while eating those greasy hamburgers) we talked
to a few of the Michigan Band members.  We asked them why they weren't as
tired and sweaty as the UW Band members, and they replied that they didn't
play much (only three or four times) after the tv cameras.  When they do
play they march high-chair step and play, otherwise, they either glide step
or just "walk" the route without playing.  We heard a lot of complaints 
from UW fans along the parade route that Michigan didn't play very much 
(compared to the UW, who play almost consecutively throughout the parade
route). That's how Michigan survived the parade and the show that afternoon;
their director told them to save it for the show (the parade isn't that 
important).


Tonya
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Michigan High Step [Was Re: More U$C]
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:46:17 GMT

hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey) writes:

>The way I remember it, we played four different songs.  The two main fight
>songs, "Across the Field" and "Buckeye Battle Cry", "Beautiful Ohio March",
>and "Big 10 Medley" which was an arrangement of all 10 Big 10 fight songs.

Ah yes, I seem to remember that those were the four songs we played as well.

>The drum cadence throughout most of the parade was about 120, while we
>basically walked, except for when we were playing.  Then we high-stepped.
>Also, for "Across the Field" and "Buckeye Battle Cry", we marched at 180.
>This was done for the TV cameras, which thank goodness were at the beginning
>of the parade route.  Later in the parade, we only played the slower songs.

>One thing about the drum cadence is that it is long and conplex.  It goes 
>for a few minutes before repeating.  I certainly didn't get bored by it.

YOU didn't have to play the damn thing!  =)
Yes, it is kinda' long, although not that complex, but then, I could've
played it in my sleep!  =}

>Was that drum major Ollie had been in the shadows of Dwight Hutson?  Wow
>he was good.

It was Dwight Hudson and yes, Dwight was extremely talented, but VERY arrogant.
The reason Dwight didn't lead the parade was because, basically, he was sick
from partying for two days/nights straight.  Dwight was just incredibly gifted
with natural ability, but he really abused his position.  Ollie, on the other
hand, was one of the hardest-working drum major's I have EVER known, besides being
a super nice guy, strong as a bull and a dedicated student.  When Ollie *finally*
got to lead the band (after Hudson left), he worked harder than anyone else
in the band.  In some respects, he was better than Dwight, plus, I don't think
anyone has ever tossed the baton as high as Ollie.  Last I knew, Ollie was
working for NASA in Cleveland.

allen
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
From: jberger@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Berger)
Subject: Re: Credit for band?
Keywords: (remember distribution usa)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 18:30:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.003311@IASTATE.EDU> knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites) writes:
>I was just wondering what kind of credit you guys get for beibg in your marching
>bands.  At Iowa State we practice an hour and a half each weekday and about an
>hour on gamedays for one credit and no grade!  I know some bands get more
>credit, and some get a grade to go into their GPA.  What's the scoop?

	Pardon me if the only comparison I can offer is high school, but it's
the experience I have.
	At Northglenn High School (the Colorado 6A marching band champion
school), we get a Fine Arts credit for the year in Symphonic Band (marching
band until the Christmas parade or the end of football, whichever is later,
then Red and Gold bands for the rest of the year), plus level I (4.0 A) grade
points, and letterman's points.  We start band camp in May, practice for a
minimum of 50 minutes a weekday (music and M&M in class) during the school
year, with 3-to-6-hour rehearsals at least twice a week from August until
state, and rehearsals on competition days.  Definitely fair in terms of grade,
I think.
	For the effort, we have taken state for the last three years, all of us
(117 this year, including percussion and color guard, and a staff of about 15)
get medals for state, and we were invited (but didn't have the money,
unfortunately) to march in the inaugural (sp?) parade in January.
	And, if that's all you get in Ames, then maybe something needs to
change.  End of soapbox.

Thanx...



--
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Sophomore, Northglenn High School	| "Do as I do, not as I say."
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From: jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy (John F. Gladu))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: The Ocean of Soul
Followup-To: rec.arts.marching.misc
Date: 21 Dec 1992 15:16:20 GMT
Organization: Systems Support Center, BCM
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: j.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1992Dec20.070934.21594@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
stanford@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Stanford) wrote:
> 
> In article <uh oh> chinchilla!niel@cars.com writes:
> 
> >Heard this morning on NPR:
> >
> >The Texas Southern University Ocean of Soul has been disbanded.  Some
> >dozen members were caught shop-lifting in Japan whileli they were
> >there playing for the Coca-Cola bowl.
> 
  So now what do we do?  You've probably seen my previous post.
  Individuals should be punished, and MAYBE the band itself, but
  disbanding seems ludicrous.  As I've said, I've seen one too many
  bands cut entirely (usually for budget reasons, but any excuse will
  do) and it would be nice if we could DO something.  Any suggestions?
  Perhaps a nationwide band boycott of TSU?  Dunno.  Let's throw around
  some ideas.
  
  Scott

What I've heard over the weekend is that there will probably be a band at
TSU next year, but the name "Ocean of Soul" has been 'retired' and the
various directing staff have been assigned 'other duties.'  This is
big-time frontpage headline news here in Houston.  The details are slowly
coming out...

The tack that the 'investigation' is currently taking is 'why are there
non-students in the band?' and 'why (and how) were they payed per
performance?' and 'where did the money come from?'.  

Rice's director, Dr. Ken Dye was on the 6pm news on Saturday saying that
non-students are essential to the operation of most bands.  I didn't see it
(DAMN!) {Did anyone get a tape?}

The pay-per-play aspect has serious repercussions because TSU is a state
school and those were taxpayer dollars.  As if the legislature didn't have
enough to worry about with the courts threatening to close down our public
school system in June...

There were a couple of stories in the Houston Chronicle (Houston's more
conserviative rag) on Sunday.  One was a fairly detailed account of what
happened in Japan, and the other was commentary on how this affair is being
covered in Japan and how it nice it would be if the Japanese sense of
honor/affront/forgiveness/loyalty were applicable to this incident.

There have also been a couple of op/ed page editorials.

I don't know how the laws of copyright apply to copying these things into
this group - but I'd like to make them available to everyone if that's
possible.  I'd also like to NOT have to type them out myself...
How does this work?



bcnu - grungy (John Gladu)
Systems Support Center -- Baylor College of Medicine
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
From: ender@leland.Stanford.EDU (Chris Hondl)
Subject: Re: LSJUMB's show at the Blockbuster Bowl
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 20:45:19 GMT

Just returned from that Blockbuster Bowl.  Good to know that we apparently 
got some decent TV coverage.  Can't ever really expect the networks to spend
time on the bands, they certainly haven't in the past. 

Never ran into stadium crew more difficult than the bunch at the Blockbuster
Bowl.  No end of difficulties with the shows and the scripts.  Such is life.
As it was they ended up cutting off are halftime show in the middle by forcing
the announcer to go the exit lines a formation early.  They claimed that they
were running behind and that they didn't need all of our show.  Dicks.

As far as numbers in the band goes we had a two fold problem.  First the 
athletic department wouldn't allow more than 83 in the band's traveling party.
Second, it took the organizers at the AD forever to figure out details on the
plan for travel.  They didn't even have a departure time for us for about a 
week if I remember correctly.  By that time it was hard to get people to spring
on their own for changing plane tickets around.  Pretty messed up.

Chris Hondl
ender@leland.stanford.edu
From: timc@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Tim Castro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Glide Step vs. Military [Was Re: Michigan High Step]
Date: 23 Dec 1992 18:13:46 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: diva.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec22.230016.7621@u.washington.edu> tonyamm@carson.u.washington.edu (Tonya May) writes:
 
>When they do
>play they march high-chair step and play, otherwise, they either glide step
>or just "walk" the route without playing.  


This reminds me of something.

The Cal Band's standard step is High Step.  However, we do also have a
6/5 "walking" step which is called "Military."  It is used mostly for
street marching and getting up to the Stadium (High-stepping up a hill can 
be a real pain!).

Anyway, when this step is being taught, we take great pains to emphasize
that this IS NOT GLIDESTEP.  There is no rolling of the feet, getting
the toes up, emphasis on smooth motion etc. etc.  It's JUST WALKING!!

With so many high school bands being immersed in the drum corps style, this
can be a tough habit to unlearn.  I spent the first couple of weeks of my 
freshman year glidestepping around before I finally caught a clue.


Anyway, I'm curious.  What other Big-Ten style bands also use a
glidestep variant?

--Tim
Cal Band
1986-1990

>
>Tonya


-- 
Tim Castro		    *   "When the air becomes uranious
U.C. Berkeley               *    We will all go simultaneous
timc@diva.Berkeley.EDU      *    Yes we all will go together when we go." 
timc@ocf.Berkeley.EDU       *           --Tom Lehrer, 1958
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
From: wright@daffodil.cs.odu.edu (LET'S DO EDUCATION)
Subject: Re: Credit for band?
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
	<1992Dec22.145432.26074@brtph560.bnr.ca>
	<1992Dec22.170709.29673@u.washington.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 01:12:14 GMT

When I was at East Carolina University (about four years ago) we practiced
three days a week, two hours each practice.  On game day, we would meet
about two hours before the game.  Everyone in marching band received 1
credit (A-F) which was averaged in the GPA.  Also, section leaders received
a stipend for their participation (about 300.00 a semester.)  I am sure
this has not changed over the last four years.

Cheers!

Wright
From: og9@sdcc1.ucsd.edu (Greg Llacer, Grad Studies & Research)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Bowl Bands in California
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:52:00 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego Campus
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <2152@celia.UUCP>, celia!harold@usc.edu (Harold Buchman) writes...
>Where in Southern California will these fine bands be rehearsing?

As I type, the Illini band is practicing for the Holiday Bowl right outside
my office window here at UCSD.  We get several high school bands here at the
end of the summer for camps, and USC used to come here until the year before
last when some of their members trashed a dorm complex and were asked not
to return.

To be honest, they look kind of tired and not into it at the moment (but it
*IS* 8:45 a.m. and the weather kind of sucks).  Lots of alignment problems.
Sounds good, though.
                                                     -_-_-__
                                                   /-_-_-_-__
Greg Llacer, Instructor                           /-_-_-_-____
Dana Hills High School Pageantry Corps          /
'86	Puttin' it Together		'90	Rise Up!
'87	Bronski Beat			'91    /The Sensual World
'88	Hazy Shade of Winter		'92   / A Day in the City
'89	Suzanne Ciani			'93	Human Virtues

				. . . and NAU Colorguard







Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Michigan High Step [Was Re: More U$C]
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:35:01 GMT

tonyamm@carson.u.washington.edu (Tonya May) writes:

>In article <1h850qINN49m@agate.berkeley.edu> timc@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Tim Castro) writes:
>>The Michigan Band came marching by in full High (Chair?) Step, playing
>>their lips off.  It was pretty impressive.  I don't know how they were
>>able to keep that up and do a show later on that afternoon.

>  They keep it up because they don't play like that the entire parade route.
>After the parade last year (while eating those greasy hamburgers) we talked
>to a few of the Michigan Band members.  We asked them why they weren't as
>tired and sweaty as the UW Band members, and they replied that they didn't
>play much (only three or four times) after the tv cameras.  When they do
>play they march high-chair step and play, otherwise, they either glide step
>or just "walk" the route without playing.  We heard a lot of complaints 
>from UW fans along the parade route that Michigan didn't play very much 
>(compared to the UW, who play almost consecutively throughout the parade
>route). That's how Michigan survived the parade and the show that afternoon;
>their director told them to save it for the show (the parade isn't that 
>important).

I remember in the 1980 Rose Parade, when I marched with Ohio State's Band,
that actual tunes were played quite a bit.  Since I was a snare drum player,
I basically played just about the entire time, although all the snares
alternated for rest breaks for the last couple of the total 7+ miles of the
parade.  When we weren't playing actual tunes, the marching was not a high
step, thus to save the legs, but while we played, we high stepped it.  Still,
I remember playing a LOT of tunes.  Our director wanted to make sure that we
gave the crowd something to see and listen to, especially since he stressed
before the parade how "many of these people sit out all night to get a spot
right next to the street."  Our director considered it extremely important
for OSU's band to give the crowd every penny's worth.  What was even better
for the parade was that our assistant drum major, a tall (6'5"), extremely
muscular fellow got his first chance at leading the band, since at the time
Ollie (the assistant) had been in the shadows of the lead Drum Major for
3 years straight.  Ollie never performed any better than he did for the
Parade, and insisted on using the huge staff rather than the conventional
baton that one sees used by majorettes.  I'll never forget Ollie twirling the
staff so high that he would have it float over wires crossing the street anbd
how he chuckled in his fun.

allen