HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: krk@oit.itd.umich.edu (Kenneth Knight)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Re: Summary: I'm faint! I just saw the price for MPW!
Date: 11 Dec 1992 23:03:05 GMT
Organization: Instructional Technology Laboratory, University of Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: helen.oit.itd.umich.edu

In article <1992Dec11.155851.14862@walter.cray.com> toma@baritone (Thomas Arneberg) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.195344.10218@reed.edu> bowman@reed.edu (BoBoRamDos) writes:
>Can someone tell me how similar MPW is to the C-shell in Unix? I've been an
>avid USER of the Mac fan since the early days ('84), but to this day I have 
>never PROGRAMMED on the Mac. I'm too hooked on vi, make, history (!), grep, 
>awk, pipes, shell scripts, and other features of Unix on my SparcStation.
>
>Also, isn't it true that MPW is the only platform on which you can program
>in C++? If not, what other product is there? (A related question -- does
>anyone know if MPW C++ supports templates?)

Anyone who likes working with UNIX will find moving to MPW very pleasant. In
fact, there are oodles of aliases already in place to MPW commands that map
to their UNIX counterparts. The script language is very powerful (though a
bit strange where pattern matchin is concerend - at least I always have to
look things up, which is not hard) and has been pointed out before MPW is
still really the only way to go if you want to have good control other
source-code versioning. MPW is not nearly as fast as THINK C, but then THINK
C lacks most of the power, too. As to C++ , yes at the moment MPW is the
only way to get it (Apple uses AT&T's cfront). THINK C has a C++ subset, but
it is only a subset. MPW is also the only way to go if you want to work with
MacApp which is far and away much larger than TCL (THINK C's object class
library) though the latter is good, too. Also, a port of gcc 2.x is in the
works (not through GNU since R. Stallman doesn't like the Mac...) and that'll
run under MPW.

Hope this helps.

  ** Ken **

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer
From: karlg@runx.oz.au (Karl Goiser)
Subject: Re: A run-time Browser for OOP
Organization: RUNX Un*x Timeshare.  Sydney, Australia.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 21:24:58 GMT

Sounds great Brad - can't wait to see it!!!

How about a window showing local variables?

Yours
Karl Goiser

-- 
--------------------------------------
Karl Goiser
karlg@runx.oz.au

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc
From: lsr@taligent.com (Larry Rosenstein)
Subject: Re: Summary: I'm faint! I just saw the price for MPW!
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Organization: Taligent, Inc.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:32:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.000239.11451@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, tariqh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
(Tariq Hamid) wrote:
> 
> In <lsr-181292122440@lsr.taligent.com> lsr@taligent.com (Larry Rosenstein) writes:

> >Even if there wasn't a boycott against Apple the GNU software (especially
> >GCC) wouldn't be ported to the Mac OS as a matter of course simply because
> >their focus is Unix-like machines and it's relatively hard to port some of
> >the software to the Mac.

> Rubbish. The GCC compiler is available for the IBM PC, et al. And this version 
> in particular is _excellent_ e.g. it supports 128Mbytes of virtual memory.

I don't think the FSF does the ports to the IBM PC.  It's done by someone
else.  The same is true of the Mac.  You can get a version of GCC for MPW
and people are working on porting the latest version.  

My point was that even if the FSF wasn't boycotting Apple, they would not
be doing ports to the Mac.  The FSF doesn't actively support all platforms;
some are only "passively supported".
 
Larry Rosenstein
Taligent, Inc.

lsr@taligent.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc
From: Bob Cent <cent@u.washington.edu>
Subject: ViewEdit question
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7575E6C76010B23@cent.rprc.washington.edu>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 18 Dec 92 10:54:36 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:50:41 GMT

I would like to copy one of several resources I have in a ViewEdit file
into a different ViewEdit file.  It sounds simple, but there seems to be
no provision to do this.  Does anyone know how to work around this?

Bob Cent  (cent@u.washington.edu)
University of Washington, SJ-50
Seattle, WA  98195
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc
From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Prograph
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:27:28 GMT

hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) writes:
><IO92668@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>>Another pro-Prograph newsgroup
>    This newsgroup just started, and there has been basically no
>discussion of Prograph in any of the Mac newsgroups to date. Why don't
>we wait and see if the Prograph traffic actually warrants its own
>newsgroup before people start trying to get one created.
>-Brian V. Hughes

Becasue the Prograph mailing list has been very active and becasue a number
of people on this newsgroup are interested in a Prograph newsgroup.  Why do
you care anyway?
-Terry
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From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Re: Summary: I'm faint! I just saw the price for MPW!
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:32:31 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Dec16.062319.16732@netcom.com>, nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle) writes:
>
>      MPW is modelled on the UNIX Programmer's Workbench, circa 1978, and
> offers roughly the same level of functionality.

Really?? I didn't know UNIX had multi-window text editing and an integrated
shell/editor in 1978!!!

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: +64-7-856-2889
Computer Services Dept                     fax: +64-7-838-4066
University of Waikato            electric mail: ldo@waikato.ac.nz
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc
Subject: Re: Prograph
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:02:42 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

<IO92668@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

>Another pro-Prograph newsgroup

    This newsgroup just started, and there has been basically no
discussion of Prograph in any of the Mac newsgroups to date. Why don't
we wait and see if the Prograph traffic actually warrants its own
newsgroup before people start trying to get one created.

--
-Brian V. Hughes
	     "If you could care less, then why don't you?"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer
From: stoodt@cis.umassd.edu (Michael Stoodt)
Subject: Re: Summary: I'm faint! I just saw the price for MPW!
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:26:23 GMT

In <1992Dec16.132756.20642@gssec.bt.co.uk> agauld@gssec.bt.co.uk (Alan Gauld) writes:

>A small point but I don't think Stallman has anything against Macs. 
>Its Apple he doesn't like (and anyone else who throws copyright suits 
>around)... Since Apple are thus hindering development of quality software he
>doesn't believe they should be able to use "his" (ie GNU) software. I'm not
>sure I agree with him but I do respect his views and ponder the morality of
>porting GNU stuff to Apple platforms when the authors would rather it wasn't
>done... Shouldn't the "porter" just go out and write his own?

The "Free" in Free Software Foundation means that people have the
right to do whatever they want with the source code as long as any
changes they make are made available under the same terms.  Stallman
et. al. can not impose any restrictions without undermining their
entire philosophy; all they can do is ask, and anyone is perfectly
free to say "Bbbtthhhh".

-- 
Michael A Stoodt  [MaS]      |        mumble mumble disclaimer mumble...
stoodt@cis.umassd.edu        | "Will the last person to leave the planet
Comp&InfoSci, UMassDartmouth |  please turn off the sun?" - Mike Resnick
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc
From: urban@yoda.fsl.noaa.gov (Art Urban)
Subject: Re: TCL windows and dialogs
Organization: Forecast Systems Lab, NOAA, Boulder CO, USA
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:07:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.174746.10916@vax.oxford.ac.uk> vollrath@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
%hundred parameters, then outputs the results to FileForce files. The
%program has to display some changeable information (like date) on screen,
%and optionally display a picture of the web, and a text log file.
%Now, how is this best structured. CDocument is not a subclass of CDLOG-
%Director. Should I make itsWindow the log window, have a separate director
%to deal with the graphic window, and a subclass of CDLOGDirector to handle
%the dialog? Seems awkward, because the dialog has a couple of buttons to

As some kind net-soul explained to me:

Your DLOG window should be supervised by an instance of DLOGDirector, and
then the DLOGDirector should be supervised by an instance of CDocument. 
Because CDocument is a subclass of CDirectorOwner, it can supervise another
Director.

I hope this is right! I have not yet tried it myself...

-- 
Art Urban 					       urban@stout.atd.ucar.edu
===============================================================================
 "What's Next? Chasing bunnies on a motorbike until their hearts explode? -Crow
===============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik )
Subject: Re: Summary: I'm faint! I just saw the price for MPW!
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 00:06:15 GMT
Organization: (Evil Eye Creature from Mars, Inc.)
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer

In article <1992Dec20.200609.15692@netcom.com>, nagle@netcom.com (John
Nagle) wrote:
>      It's also worth noting that if you use MacApp, your source code may
> be "contaminated" with Apple code, and you may have legal difficulties 
> porting it to non-Apple platforms.  Since a port to Windows may make
> good business sense, it's probably wise to get legal advice
> before using MacApp for any serious work.

As long as you don't port MacApp itself you should *NOT* have any
problems. Are you thinking about TList/TObject style of use? I've
stated N times that for cross-platform issues avoid anything non-GUI
related for your work, you will save a lot of hassles in the long term.


Kent
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From: Andrew.Cohill@vtssi.vt.edu (Andrew Michael Cohill)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc
Subject: Re: FTP site for Prograph Librarys or compatible C/PASCAL libraries.
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:11:02 GMT
Organization: Fire in the Mountain
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X-XXDate: Fri, 18 Dec 92 09:15:14 GMT

The Prograph ftp site is:

acorn.grove.iup.edu   (144.80.128.8)


For anyone doing production quality development work with Prograph, the 
Prograph Essentials subscription ($200/year) is well worth the money.  
Not only do you get a cool t-shirt, but you get a set of disks quarterly 
with bug fixes, workarounds, and a lot of sample code.  The sample code 
alone has been worth it for us.
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc
Subject: Re: Prograph
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:27:38 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:

>hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) writes:
>><IO92668@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>>>Another pro-Prograph newsgroup
>>    This newsgroup just started, and there has been basically no
>>discussion of Prograph in any of the Mac newsgroups to date. Why don't
>>we wait and see if the Prograph traffic actually warrants its own
>>newsgroup before people start trying to get one created.
>>-Brian V. Hughes

>Becasue the Prograph mailing list has been very active and becasue a number
>of people on this newsgroup are interested in a Prograph newsgroup.  Why do
>you care anyway?

    Size of a related mailing list has absolutely nothing to do with a
UseNet newsgroup, unless, for some reason, that list is gatewayed to the
group. I personally feel that it is great that a number of people in
this group are interested in Prograph, but the simple fact remains that
you can't just start a new newsgroup. And you will never get anywere,
officially, until you can demonstrate that there is sufficient traffic
to warrant a new group. As for why I care, I happen to be a registered
owner of Prograph, although I haven't done anythign with it yet, and I
also happen to have some experience in the newsgroup creation process
that I was trying to share.

--
-Brian V. Hughes
	     "If you could care less, then why don't you?"
From: vollrath@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc
Subject: Re: OOPC
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:07:25 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <Nigel.Williams-171292085801@geryon.admin.utas.edu
Nigel.Williams@admin.utas.edu.au (Nigel Williams) writes:
> This was posted to OODL.SIG recently; I await the demo disk with eager
> anticipation. Posted with emine's permission.
> 
> Nigel.

This sounded really interesting. I have asked for a demo too, but I am not
sure they will send one to England. Could people who try it out be kind
enough to report back their experience of it to the net?
Thanks,

Alun ap Rhisiart
Animal Behaviour Research Group
Oxford University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc
From: k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Jamie R. McCarthy)
Subject: Re: The Member Function: Spawn Of Satan?
Summary: member(member, Satans_spawn)?
Organization: Kalamazoo College
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:15:14 GMT

orpheus@reed.edu (P. Hawthorne) writes:
>It seems un-structured. What would Djikstra say?

I find myself using member() in the TCL for three chief purposes:

1]  ASSERTs.  It's handy to make sure something is what you expect.
2]  In CCollaborators' ProviderChanged() method, testing whether the
provider that changed is of a certain type.  (For non-TCLers,
CCollaborator is a class whose instances can DependUpon() each other;
whenever a CCollaborator calls BroadcastChange(), all itsDependents
get their ProviderChanged() method called.  Very handy, but to design a
flexible system, a CCollaborator has to expect to get lots of unwanted
ProviderChanged() messages.)
3]  In methods that, I suspect, would be called "friend" under C++.
Think C doesn't give you a way to link a bunch of classes together and
say "only these classes are friends of mine, and only my friends can
call the following methods."  (Is that essentially what C++ does?)
So you have to fake it with run-time checking on your own.

>When I use it...I worry that perhaps a seriously
>abstract class variable could formalize whatever notions are at work. Or I
>think that it is a kludge so that I can put off a total overhaul until I
>figure out how to work in the exceptional classes.

If you write, for example,

void CEatingObject::eatObject(CFoodObject *theFoodObj)
{
	if (member(theFoodObj, CBanana)) gobbleBanana();
	else if (member(theFoodObj, CCookie)) munchCookie();
	else if (member(theFoodObj, CSquid)) slurpSquid();
}

...then you're misusing member().  (In this case, the eating method
should go into CFoodObject, not CEatingObject, and should be overridden
by all those subclasses.)

If Think C's lack of multiple inheritence forces you to construct a dual
class hierarchy, I can see having to misuse member(), as a consequence.

But otherwise, unless you're doing something like CEatingObject, I
wouldn't worry about it.
-- 
 Jamie McCarthy      Internet: k044477@kzoo.edu      AppleLink: j.mccarthy
 "Apple developers will still have access to System 7.1 through the
  monthly Developer CD series, but they may use it only for testing
  and development purposes."              - AppleDirect, Nov/Dec 92
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik )
Subject: Re: Summary: I'm faint! I just saw the price for MPW!
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:04:21 GMT
Organization: (Evil Eye Creature from Mars, Inc.)
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer

In article <1992Dec16.132756.20642@gssec.bt.co.uk>, agauld@gssec.bt.co.uk
(Alan Gauld) wrote:
> In article <1gb6n9INNpmk@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>, krk@oit.itd.umich.edu (Kenneth Knight) writes:
> >.... Also, a port of gcc 2.x is in the works (not through GNU since 
> > R. Stallman doesn't like the Mac...) and that'll run under MPW.
> A small point but I don't think Stallman has anything against Macs. 
> Its Apple he doesn't like (and anyone else who throws copyright suits 
> around)... Since Apple are thus hindering development of quality software he
> doesn't believe they should be able to use "his" (ie GNU) software. I'm not
> sure I agree with him but I do respect his views and ponder the morality of
> porting GNU stuff to Apple platforms when the authors would rather it wasn't
> done... Shouldn't the "porter" just go out and write his own?
> 
> Now I duck and wait for the FLAME! ;-)
> -- 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> A.J. Gauld				EMail: 	  agauld@gssec.bt.co.uk
> BT, Glasgow Engineering Centre,         Phone:    +44 41 553 2140
> 229 George Street, Glasgow, UK          PostCode: G1 1BZ
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

Kent
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From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc,comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Re: Summary: I'm faint! I just saw the price for MPW!
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:09:30 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Dec11.232957.24528@kth.se>, d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) writes:
>
> What's on the horizon is AppleEvents for having scripts control
> a bunch of stuff; will be way cool!

It isn't on the horizon, it's here. ToolServer has reached official release,
though I don't know how it'll be made available to non-ETO subscribers.
MPW 3.3 is still in alpha, and that's only available to ETO subscribers.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro                       fone: +64-7-856-2889
Computer Services Dept                     fax: +64-7-838-4066
University of Waikato            electric mail: ldo@waikato.ac.nz
Hamilton, New Zealand    37^ 47' 26" S, 175^ 19' 7" E, GMT+13:00
From: Andrew.Cohill@vtssi.vt.edu (Andrew Michael Cohill)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.oop.misc
Subject: Re: Prograph Educational Price.
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:55:47 GMT
Organization: Fire in the Mountain
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In article <BzEuBs.72y@cs.uiuc.edu> Terry Thiel, tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>I was surprised to see Prograph selling at one of our local bookstores for
>$133.00 educational price.  It seems to me that we payed something like
>$250 educational price.  Anyonw know which is right?


I just talked to them, and they are making more of a push in the 
universities.  I did not ask specifically about pricing, but university 
bookstore prices vary widely, depending upon the markup the bookstore 
puts on things.  Prograph sells here for about $160, I think.

I believe if you call Prograph and fax a student id or something they 
will sell you direct at 50% off, which is what most software companies 
do.  You can't really expect them to undercut their dealers.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac:542 comp.unix.aux:4370
From: atinoue@sevax1.cse.canon.co.jp (Atsushi Inoue)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.unix.aux
Subject: Info about X-Server program on Mac (In English)
Keywords: MacX, eXodus, X-windows
Date: 18 Dec 92 10:40:01 GMT
Organization: System Engineering Center, Canon Inc.


 Hi netters.

I have questions about X-server program on mac.
I know that there are MacX and eXodus on market.
Are there any other programs?

And if you know about MacX or eXodus, please let me know 
pros. and cons. of those programs.

Finally, i'd like to know how to get those products.
I heard MacX is bundled with AU/X 3.0, but I wonder if 
there is any other way to get MacX.
Does APDA sell MacX or should I contact Apple ?

May be these qustions are in FAQ, however I couldn't 
find it. So please answer about that.

Thanks in advance.

Atsushi Inoue

atinoue@cse.canon.co.jp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: EDIAS@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (EMILIANO A DIAS)
Subject: Remote Control Keyboard
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:08:48 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

Does anyone know of a gadget that would allow keyboards to be attatched
to their respective computers via an infrared beam (e.g. the PCjr)??

This would be the greatest device, could any of the current adb mac
keyboards be retrofitted to use such a device, or would it require a
special low power consumption keyboard?

     just wondering out loud...			Tony Dias

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Subject: Re: Video Display on Duo Dock
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 22:52:23 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: comp

In article <PIERCE.92Dec11164129@bartles.asc.slb.com> pierce@asc.slb.com (Edward Pierce) writes:
>I know I may not get much sympathy from the net, here.  I'm one of the lucky
>early recepients of the DuoDock and I also have an NEC 5FG (17") monitor.
>Now, when I hook them together, I get a somewhat unimpressive, but crystal
>clear 832x624 8-bit color display.  That's OK, but what I really want is
>more pixels.  A 1/4" high "9-point" font is a bit of an overkill even for
>myopic me.

That's only 36dpi.  Which means your 17" monitor is at least 23" wide.
Very unusual.  I suspect what you have is a 512*384 picture (for a 15"
wide 17" monitor) or a 640*480 picture (for a 17" wide 17"
monitor--also very unusual, but maybe you overestimated the size of
that 9 point font).

[Oops, got these backwards before]:

To get 832 by 624, connect pins 4 and 10, Leave 7 and 11 unconnected.

To get 640 by 870, connect pins 10, 7, and 11.  Leave 4 unconnected.
(I don't know if the Duo supports this)

-- 
Matthew T. Russotto	russotto@eng.umd.edu	russotto@wam.umd.edu
Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures.  Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
From: Chris Chesher <c.chesher@uts.edu.au>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Screen projection systems for the Mac??
Date: 17 Dec 1992 05:54:43 GMT
Organization: Uni of Technology, Sydney
Distribution: world
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	OK, we've had a Kodak datashow in the past, but it kind of
	doesn't work  any more. So now we're looking for a
	projector to hook up to a Mac  (could be an SE30; could
	be an LC; may be something else...). 
	
	Does anyone have any ideas about what the best projection
	systems are?  What factors should I look into? Are there
	any new better systems? 
	
	Thanks for any ideas / prices / cautions.
	
	(Please e-mail me)
	
	 _-_ 
	            Chris Chesher C.Chesher@uts.edu.au 
	                                        _-_