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From: pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (The Nightstalker)
Subject: Re: Bass guitar and delay pedals etc
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:04:41 GMT

In article <1dsd6oINNks2@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU> cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) writes:
>ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis) writes:
>: In <1dl0s1INNk1c@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU> cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) writes:
>: 
>: 
>: 
>: >check out tomy emanual to hear what not to do with a delay! 
>: 
>: Bite your bloody tongue, boy! Ever heard "Initiation"?
>: 
>	don't know it by name, but let me guess; its 
>indulgent tripe from an acoustic guitar, a couple of juice
>boxes (mainly delay), and includes a section with tommys left
>hand coming over the top of the neck.
>	i can almost feel the drum machines shaking in their
>plugs, at his genius.
>
>: Shit. 10 minutes into the day and I'm pissed off already.
>: 
>: Shckwish!
>:
>	get funky monkey!
>
>					CE 

And shows artistic expression and creativity that is most possibly beyond
your sense of appreciation, but not beyond your sarcasm, as is obvious
by your less than constructive posting.  Tommy Emmanuel would have to be
one of the most thoughtful guitarists I have heard.  If it is so trite,
you do better.


--

Mick Pope,                                          I      "On Christ the
Sir Frank Packer Dept of Theoretical Physics,   ----+----   solid rock I
School of Physics, University of Sydney,            I       stand, all other
Sydney, Australia, 2006.  (02) 692 3241             I       ground is sinking
                                                    I       sand." - C. Wesley
                                                    I 

And the comment for today is:  

          
"Though this be madness, yet there is
method in't." - Hamlet act II, scene II
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: c188-am@po.berkeley.edu (Leor Jacobi)
Subject: Re: Flaming Lips (The)
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:48:36 GMT

michael@monitor.com (Michael Johnson) writes:

>Does anyone know anything about the guitarist from The Flaming Lips?  (Has  
>anyone _heard_ of them?)  On the inside cover of their new CD there's a  
>picture of a really weird-shaped electric with an f-hole (or graphic of one)  
>which I assume is the source of the alien sounds this guy produces.  Good  
>album for anyone who likes odd guitar effects, or alternative music in  
>general.

Quite true, all of it.
Their new album is simply amazing.

Anyone into Jane's, Sonic Youth, Pixies, etc. (but very textured 'n' rocking)
would love _Hit to Death in the Future Head_.

I don't know much about the guitars they use, but if you'll also find a list
of the 50 instruments they used on the album on the inside cover.  They are
truly studio gods.

The Lips (I almost wrote "Lisp" out of habit) are currently touring.
Many of their dates are opening for the Throwing Muses. (yay!)
I have a tour list if anyone wants to know when they're coming to your town.

--
 Leor Jacobi                ,__o  | "I don't know that atheists should be 
 leor@ocf.berkeley.edu    _-\_<,  |  considered citizens, nor should they by
 c188-am@po.berkeley.edu (*)/'(*) |  considered patriots.  This is one nation
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|  under God."   -   George Bush  8/27/88
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: tm8025a@american.edu
Subject: Re:Edge is God...
Reply-To: Infinite Guitar
Organization: The American University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:04:32 GMT


I just had to add my $.02 and say that I belive Edge uses more sonic qualities  
than technical qualities in his playing because MOST players go for the  
technical aspects. At the U2 concert I was at Edge was playing some very  
technical leads and runs that made me re-think most of my perceptions of him.  
(The song I remember was Bullet the Blue Sky in case anyone else has a  
flashback.)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Tube Emulator
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:31:25 GMT
Distribution: alt.guitar
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <BxIF69.6D4@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
>neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:
>
>[..about 12AX7 FET emulator]
>
>>There's one very important parameter that no known solid state device can
>>come close to what a tube amplification stage can do: the slewing rate.
>>Tube amps easily reach slewing rates of 75 to 100 volts per microsecond
>>and solid state devices (yes, even FETS) are hard pressed to reach 25 volts
>>per microsecond. 
>
>Never one to miss a challenge.....Thyristors :-)

Yeah but what would an audio amp made from any of the members of the thyristor
family sound like ? :-) :-) :-)

>
>>The high slewing rates (ability to "accelerate" from lower
>>frequencies within a complex waveshape to the higher frequencies -- my layman's
>>definition, if anyone else has a better or more descriptive one, please post)
>>of tube-type amps is one of the main reasons for their outstanding clarity over
>>solid state amps.
>
>Hang on a minute, isn't slew rate defined as the ability of a device to go from
>one voltage to another quickly, rather than from a low frequency to a high
>one?
>
>{Shuffles through his data book...}
>
>It's measured in Volts per microseconds, not Hz per micro second.

You're right Dave, I guess I was thinking about complex waveshapes of a crunchy
distorted guitar signal which have both accelerating (and decelerating) voltages
and frequency components throughout a sample of the waveform. Wouldn't slewing
rate best be described as the first derivative of the function defined by the
waveform over some measured interval of time? ( I luuurve calculus...... NOT!)

Seriously, about the thyristors, the only analog circuits I've had much
dealings with in this area are light dimmers (triacs) and horizontal outputs
of TV's and video monitors (Silicon Bilateral Switches, only one waveform ---
sawtooth!) Do you know of any of this family of semiconductors which could
be perverted into guitar amp usage which could faithfully retain wave shapes
and provide useful amplification with high slewing rates? Hmmmmm?


-- 
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Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
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From: frink-andrew@yale.edu (Andrew Frink)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: electronics books
Date: 9 Nov 1992 18:47:39 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

My question of the day concerns electronics...

Is there one really good, must have book for electronics?
I have heard of "Guitar Electronics" by Brosnac and
"Electronic Projects for musicians"

I'm sure that there are others.
I am a first time builder and need info on the basics
including active preamps, shielding, basic wiring diagrams, etc.

thanks
drew
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Organization: Sophomore, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 12:47:31 -0500 
From: Paul M Mcelwee <pm3w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: NEEDED: Frampton Talkbox Schematic 


I've heard that the schematic for the Talkbox has already been posted on
the bboard, but I would REALLY appreciate it if they could be reposted.
I have a rudimentary understanding of electronics  and would like to try
to rig up my own box to make a "talking violin".  

Thanks again,

PAUL  
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu (NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART)
Subject: Electronic definition of sprong!
Originator: npstewar@c00723-239rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu (NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:50:58 GMT


I've played a lot of different amps, and some have a better feel than others.
With my current amp, an '84 CARVIN w/ 6L6's, even if I set up a fairly low gain
setting (and it's not much by modern standards on 10), I get a good sound, but
the amp doesn't play as dynamically as I'd like it to.  I have played different
amps that had different amounts of sponginess/touch/feel/Sprong! or whatever its
proper term is - that the amount of distortion and especially the sound of the 
amp changed dramatically with my touch.  This is what I crave in an amp.

So I was wondering if any electrical engineer type people out there could say
exactly what it is that gives an amp this quality.  I've heard one of the 
variables is the amount of feedback used in the amp, but I was curious if
anyone else who knows what I'm talking about has thought this out enough to give
a thoughtful answer.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: tjs@eecs.umich.edu (tim stanley)
Subject: Tube Emulator
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: alt.guitar
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:56:31 GMT


In the November 2, 1992 issue of Electronic Engineering Times, on page
31, there is an article title "Chip sounds like an old Fender".

It is about a guy named Eric Pritchard who claims to have developed a
solid state replacement for the 12AX7 vacuum tube.  Measurement show
an "emulation error" of only .01%.  The device is called the Tube
Emulator and is marketed through a company Pritchard started called
Deja Vu Audio.  The circuit (presumably the actual emulator itself) is
currently realized in a discrete version.

There is a schematic of a Fender preamp modified to accomodate the
emulator.  In Pritchard's words "Recreating old circuits is as simple
as scaling the voltages to fit the tube emulator's capabilities and
scaling the impedances to fit the emulator's currents."  No mention
of if/when a single chip realization will be available.

So, check it out - EE Times is a rather ubiquitous electronics trade
rag for any of you not directly in the electronics business.

T

P.S.

This post is FYI only.  In other words, technical flames directed at
me about the credibility of this device > /dev/null.
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Low volume overdriven tubes???
Date: 5 Nov 92 10:05:12 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

drp40@cd.amdahl.com (Doug Puchalski) writes:

>In article <1992Nov2.184957.16773@sequent.com>, yuf@sequent.com (Kyle Grieser) writes:
>>Simply put, what's a really good way to do this?   Sure I can turn it
>>up to 10, but then I won't be living in my apartment for very long :-).
>>Also, usually where I play I can't get much louder than about 4 or 5, which
>>still isn't enough to get the tubes very crunchy...
>>
>>I've heard Tube Screamer, but I was wondering about what everyone thinks/knows
>>about such things....  do I want a basic gain pedal?  I know for sure that
>>I don't want a distortion pedal because I want the tubes to give me the
>>sound, not the box....

>You can get your power tube crunch (which is why it sounds better louder)
>by using a speaker load.  Marshall and Rocktron make them.  The idea is to
>turn your amp up loud, and then the speaker outputs go into a device that
>loads down with the simulated frequency response of a speaker cabinet.
>Then you have line level outs you can run into headphones or a solid state
>preamp or a mixing board.  (You can get CRUNCH with distortion and CLEAN
>clean sounds this way by avoiding the power tube amplification when you
>play clean).

I _THINK_ you're talking about a speaker simulator. These are normally used 
DI ing a guitar. Plug into a pre-amp, the pre-amp output goes to the mixing
desk. The pre-amp does all the 'crunching'. I think the Marshall one is called
The Guv'nor. There's also one which is made by Palmer called the Sponge. This
is a combined speaker simulator and power soak. Bear in mind what I said about
power soaks in my previous posting - beware!!

Dave
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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: van halen's variac
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:39:31 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

drp40@cd.amdahl.com (Doug Puchalski) writes:

>In article <1dgk0rINNs7o@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bk233@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jack W. Weinmann) writes:

>>As an electronic technician I must agree that this is NOT a good idea for
>>the average guitarist.
>>     First of all, when you overvoltage electronic equipment you take a 
>>chance on exceeding the ratings of the transformers, rectifiers, filter
>>capacitors, etc.....
>>
>>     Second, many of the newer electronic devices have "safety related"
>>components which are rated for FIRE safety.  You may exceed the ratings on
>>these and burn out your amp.

>Excuse me, but a variac *decreases* input voltage, correct?  By decreasing
>input voltage you lower the amplitude at which clipping and distortion occurs.

Excuse me, but you don't know what your talking about.

Variacs often range from 0% to 120% of the incoming line voltage, so yes you
can decrease the voltage, but there is an option of increasing it by up to
20%.

Jack's right. 

All it takes is for one dolt backstage to say "Duh! I wonder
what this dial does?"

..and if you STILL don't believe me, I'll scan in the dial of this here
variac, gif it up and post it....on second thoughts, I can't be bothered
taking it apart since i need to go hunt out a set of metric allen keys.

Dave
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From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Trainwreck/vintage rock tone
Keywords: low power tube amps
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:01:42 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Nov7.024800.22971@ncsu.edu> npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu (NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART) writes:
>
>PS. Do 20 watt Marshalls really exist outside the magazines?

Yup, I've got one (cost me $75 used!!!!, power supply filter was broken loose
from the p.c board, took 15 minutes and $0 to fix) I replaced the 10" celestion
with a 12" EVM 12-L and it's now one killer little solid state practice amp.
It's also heavy as $%W& with the EVM in it!!!
-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
     "To do is to be." - Socrates      "To be is to do." - Aristotle
                       "Doo bee doo bee doo." - Sinatra
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From: bgray1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Brandon Gray)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Know Anything About Matchless Amps?
Date: 4 Nov 92 23:37:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Only worry about representing myself...

In article <1992Nov4.184631.16817@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, kew@cbnewsg.cb.att.com
(steve.w.askew) writes:

>... Four EL84 running pure class A. No reverb, no channel
> 	swithching,it has a top boost, and 2 12' speakers, Celestions I think. 
> 
> 	I got a chance to hear a Matchless this summer.  It also did 
> 	not sound like $2400!!!! IMHO. Cours I still think a Dual Showman 
> 	thru 2X15" Jensons/JBL's is a unbeatable clean sound. The old tried 
> 	and true Fender Twin also has a great clean sound. Not to mention a
>  	Roland JC120. 
> 
> 	The Mesa is probably a better buy for that kind of money. The MarkIV
> 	is one of the most versitile amps made. The Matchless is alot more 
> 	limited in its application. 
> 
Does anyone know if I could substitute EL84s for the 6L6s in the Mark IV
when in Class A mode?  Could anyone using the Mark IV/Satellite combination
(or at least heard it) provide any feedback on their perfromance,
reliability, versatility, etc. along with personal comments and
suggestions?  I only tried them  out briefly for about 30 minutes, and I'd
like to make sure that they are TRULY what I need before I plunk down some
$2100 of hard earned money!  Ever think Mesa would make a custom 2-12"
combo for me? (Then I could incorporate a T.C. chorus unit and have the
best of all three worlds!)  Does Mesa even make custom orders?  I'm sure
they would be asking for their service, however...   Later much!
                                                                           
       Brandon


"A power over a man's subsistance amounts to a power over his will."
                                                                           
                                    -Hamilton
"Nature is always too strong for principle."
                                                                       
-Hume

"In this day and age, music made my humans?...Hmmm..."
                                                                           
        -Wilde Silas
From: weber2013@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Solo Acoustic Guitar
Date: 11 Nov 92 10:49:34 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1df24rINNelv@aludra.usc.edu>, rmurphy@usc.edu (Bob Murphy) writes:
> My favorite music is usually just solo acoustic guitar.
> I unfortunately don't know of many albums like this.
> I have occasionally bought albums which seemed to contain only guitar
> but would in reality have lots of other instruments as well.
> Could someone post a list of possibilities with the type of music(i.e.
> jazz, folk, blues, etc.) and short reviews included?
> I prefer instrumental but feel free to include those with a single
> voice as well.
> 
>                          Thanks,
>                             Bob Murphy (rmurphy@aludra.usc.edu)
> 
> p.s. There is no need to include classical guitarists in this list.
>      rec.music.classical.guitar contains plenty of suggestions

There are several I could suggest.  They range from more traditional players
like Chet Atkins (don't be put off by his slick commercial sound...the man is a
true guitar monster) to someone like Michael Hedges who pushes the borders of
guitar technique without losing his musical appeal.  The well known Minnesota
absurdist Leo Kottke has been playing with a small band recently but his many
recordings reveal a great guitarist with a vivid imagination.  Some other
favorites include Guy Van Duser (especially if you like '20s and 30s jazz),
Harvey Reid, Preston Reed, and Pierre Bensussan.  Some fine ragtime picking can
be found on recordings by Eric Schoenburg (also known by the guitars he
markets) and David Laibman.  These few come to mind offhand, but more can be
located through various suppliers of CDs and tapes.  One of my favorites is
Elderly Instruments in Michigan.  They publish a number of catalogs, including
one devoted to books and recordings.  I believe they list the selections by
style so you should have no problem finding the recordings of solo guitarist
they offer.  Enjoy!!> 
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,comp.music
From: kamartin@quads.uchicago.edu (kai anthony martin)
Subject: Computer music novice seeks help
Reply-To: kamartin@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:31:40 GMT

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: s1070902@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (TALIESIN (R.Walker))
Subject: Re: Joe Satriani in England
Keywords: Satch!
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:47:17 GMT


Just a slight change of Satch topic here :  Does anyone know if or if so then
when Satch is comming to Australia??   I would just about kill to see him.

                                            ,
                                        Taliesin.  ( The big Satch fan )

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: carl@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU (Carl Brewer)
Subject: Re: Exploding Guitar : -)
Organization: Dept. Engineering Computer Resources, Melbourne Uni.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 06:58:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.172853.23944@exu.ericsson.se> exubrst@exu.ericsson.se writes:
>Wow!  Last night I made the mistake of turning towards
>the amp with my acoustic-electric.  We had so much
>going on, I couldn't tell where the feedback was coming
>from until my guitar turned into 'magic-fingers'.  I thought
>it was going to explode in my hands!  Has anyone ever
>let an acoustic continue to vibrate due to feedback?  I
>wonder which would blow first, the guitar or the driver.

depends on your amp.  In the early days of amplification (1930's)
there was much experimentation with acoustic guitars and high
volume.  The solid body guitars of today evolved due to the damage
that was done to the semi-acoustic guitars of the time by feedback and
exessive volume.  Acoustic guitars have been known to self destuct
when they resonate.  Take care !!!



-- 
 Annal  Natrach, Usthvah Spethed,         carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (IRC: Bleve)
 Dochoel Dienve                           carl@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au
					  carl@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU
 Merlin, where are you?  Call your dragon, to weave a mist...
From: mike@vm1.mcgill.ca (Mike Woo)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Tube Power Amp Recommendations?
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:24:54 GMT
Organization: Computing Centre, McGill University

Good day folks,
     I'm considering building a rig based on the Marshall JMP-1 as the
preamp.  Can anybody recommend a good rackmount tube power amp?  I've read
about the Mesa-Boogie 50/50, 295 and 395.  I'd really appreciate any and
all opinions from users of these or any other power amps (in particular
one that can run in CLASS A mode like the MESA simulclass stuff).

                                    Keep on Rockin,
                                         Mike
          
                                                         
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,misc.forsale
From: kmink@hubcap.clemson.edu (Kenneth S Mink)
Subject: 4SALE Electric Hollowbody Guitar
Summary: Hollowbody Electric Guitar Forsale
Keywords: guitar, forsale
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:29:25 GMT


This guitar is a hollow body electric Washburn made
Oscar-Scmit OE-20. The body style is the same as the 
Gibson 335 (Chuck Berry, B.B. King). It has two Hummbucker
pick-ups, two volume and tone knobs with three way connecter
switch, ebony fret board, natural wood grain body, 
f-holes, and pearl white trim. The guitar is one year old,
and has no marks or scratches. Having financial
difficulties and unfortunately have to sacrifice.
Asking $250 obo.

I am posting this for a friend who doesn't have an account.
please reply to kmink@hubcap.clemson.edu
and I will pass it on.

This is a repost. We had problems with our mailer here and I lost earlier
replies before I could get back to them. If you answered this post before, I
apologize.

                                              Ken MInk
                                              kmink@hubcap.clemson.edu
From: ck060@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric L. Hinson)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: ADA MP-1 Info (looking to trade programs)
Date: 11 Nov 1992 01:15:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ck060@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric L. Hinson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Does anyone out there own an ADA MP-1?  If so, would you be willing to swap
some programs (presets)?  I've come up with some pretty cool sounding
programs for it, but am constantly looking for new sounds.  I run my MP-1
through a B200S power amp (also ADA) and use a Rocktron HUSH ][BX in the
effects loop of the MP-1.  I'm also interested in any programs anyone may
have obtained from professionals that use the MP-1 (specifically Jimi Hazel
from 24/7-Spyz), but any cool sounding programs would be appreciated.  Just
leave me Email.  Thanks

Eric (ck060@cleveland.freenet.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar