HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: 880506s@aucs.acadiau.ca (James R. Skinner)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Borland C++ for OS/2 v.2.0
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:20:36 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

sidney@borland.com (Sidney Markowitz) writes:

>asking for things like cross-platform development options. One thing I
>wonder is, is there any reason to have a PM IDE that generates Windows
>executables if you can instead have a Windows or DOS compiler that
>runs in a VDM and can use the same project or make files as the PM
>version? I'm not hinting at any plans, I'm simply asking for

Nope I don't think we need a PM IDE that generates Windows executables
(it would be nice but since the compiler already exist to do this why
duplicate it?  It would also probably increase the cost.)  All we need 
is an PM IDE that generates PM, WPS and text programs.

Anybody disagree?


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: cooper@teak.cis.ohio-state.edu (frank michael cooper)
Subject: Re: IBM, are you listening? (Was: Windoze 3.1 is here.)
Keywords: Yesterday(4 April) I saw Windoze 3.1 for sale here.
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:59:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.084444.14910@cs.brown.edu> wcn@cs.brown.edu (Wen-Chun Ni) writes:

>C'mon guys. It's no big deal. Why should we care about the internal
>function of IBM itself? Does IBM give us its stock if we care enough?
>The late arriving OS/2 2.0 is no big deal. Just wait. Anyway, I'm
>locked by buying 1.3. So all I have is "waiting." If OS/2 2.0  does
>not make a success, how many dollars do you lose? Why should we 
.
.
.
>controlling the enterprise, isn't it? So I did not mail out my
>upgrade form immediately after I copied the electronic version
>(my requested upgrade form from the 800--***   has not arrived
>yet.)  I just become indifferent.

I've finally given up on waiting for my 2.0 upgrade.  I was *suckered* into
buying 1.3 for $99 months ago, and have been following this newsgroup and
the other groups on a daily basis for OS/2 information.  In addition, like
many others, I called 1-800-3-IBM-OS2 many months ago and placed my request.

JUST WHAT do I get back?  IBM doesn't even bother sending out the upgrade
forms until a week after availability (most people would have thought the forms
would have been here in early March and we would have been THE FIRST to have
2.0 in our hot little hands).  Instead, now all of us upgraders are in a
4-8 week (READ: 1 to 2 **MONTHS**) holding pattern.  If you ask me, I would
have rather paid $50 more and bought the damn thing TODAY than to wait for
a completely unreasonable amount of time.  Unfortunately now I am locked in.

So, I am getting my copy of OS/2 2.0 through my employer.  Many months down the
road I will probably get my 2.0 box, but, like many others in this group, I
have stuff I need to be doing today.

OS/2 2.0 was beta tested so well, had so much user support,
and was turned in an entirely new direction by a bunch of bright young
programmers at IBM.  It's unfortunate that now that it is here and available
that the people who have been waiting so anxiously for it don't have access to
it.  

	-Mike


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From: davidh@towers.rn.com (David Holland)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 on 386SX 16MHz?
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:30:15 GMT
Organization: Small System Specialists


I found out my problem, yes, I did have HPFS installed.  I didn't bother
with trying to see how it worked if I removed it, I simply got another
4Megs of memory. And the problem was solved.

A couple of other things though, I've managed to hang OS/2 2.0 hard 
(ie the reset button was required) several times now. Mostly after 
mucking around with dos programs. Anyone have any suggestion about these
problems? I suspect that part of it may be SVGA problems. (The last few
times I was trying CShow on a dos full screen) but other times
I wasn't

David Holland
davidh@towers.rn.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: prs@turing.acs.virginia.edu (Phillip R. Scarr)
Subject: Re: Paradise & SVGA ON
Keywords: Paradise SVGA OS/2 2.0
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:46:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.195056.9984@towers.rn.com> davidh@towers.rn.com (David Holland) writes:
>Hi! Its me again ;) 
>
>Ummm, I may of found a fairly significant bug in OS/2 2.0.
>
>I mentioned in a earlier post, I've upgraded my paradise card to 512K.
>So hey, I figured I'd test it out under OS/2 2.0 and Cshow. Now I 
>THOUGHT all I'd need to do was type SVGA ON in the Dos screen and 
>then run Cshow. It works just fine to a point. I can switch to 
>the PM screen and back to the image just fine. However when I 
>press ESC to get out of the image, and back to the text screen
>under Cshow. It locks the machine up. Locks it up quite nicely too..
>I get to hit the ol' reset button to get back out of it. 
>
>Anyone got any more great suggestions? (pleease :) 
>
>I tried looking up SVGA in the online help, however I didn't 
>find to much of anything.
>
>Thanks!
>
>David Holland
>davidh@towers.rn.com

After you ran SVGA ON, did you return to the desktop and do a shutdown?
You have to do this in order for the kernal to incorporate the changes
made by the SVGA command

	-Phil
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David R. Giller)
Subject: Re: i don't like it!!
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:54:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.1480.11660@dosgate> "bradley grigor" <bradley.grigor@canrem.com> writes:
>I have seen OS/2 2.0 GA and I'm not impressed.  How can I get rid
>of the Workplace Shell??  I _really_ don't like it.  Does OS/2
>2.0 include the original 1.3 PMSHELL somewhere?  As much as I
>hate to say it, Windows 3 (and OS/2 1.3 for that matter) is
>aesthetically much nicer and a darn site easier to use.  This is
>going to take A LOT of getting used to.

Well, I'm not going to tell you you're wrong, but I'm afraid you're in
the minority.  All reviews I've heard of and most comments are that the
WPS is far and above any other micro GUI, with the possible exception of
NeXTStep (I happen to think it is better than nextstep, but that's opinion).

I can say this: When I first installed 6.167 beta, I didn't use the tutorial.
I hated the WPS, because I thought it was too hard to use.  After using the
tutorial and playing with the EPS for 4 months (it didn't take that much
time, I was up to speed in a week or so) I find that I am subjectively
many times as fast at normal operations with the WPS than with the Windows
GUI.

At any rate, if you don't like the WPS, you only have to use it as 
a program launcher, and you can use whatever other utilities you want.
If you have 1.3, you may even be able to move the PMSHELL or at least
the file manager over.

-Dave
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 16:02:19 CST
From: gthome@ausvm1.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject: Help with OS2 and Lantastic
Reply-To: gthome@ausvm1.VNET.IBM.COM
Organization: IBM - Austin
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 2.0
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc

In <16837@plains.NoDak.edu> Robert "Rezh" Myhre writes:
>  Hi all.  I would like some information out there if someone actually knows
>the answer to this:
>
>  I have a 386 that will be running OS2 2.0 EE and I want to network it to
>a 286 running Dr.Dos 6.0 using Lantastic's Ethernet hardware.  Is there
>anything specific that I need in order to get OS2 to recognize the connection:
>like a specific driver or maybe a different version of Lantastic? Any
>help would be appreciated.  Thanks
>
>Robert Myhre
>Computer Engineer in Training... and Training... and Training
>North Dakota State University
>myhre@plains.nodak.edu   (Internet)
>myhre@plains             (Bitnet)
>uunet!plains!myhre       (UUCP)
>
Robert,

I MIGHT be able to find this out for you.   Please email me directly with
your exact hardware reqs and we can work this out.

Gerry Thome
IBM - Austin
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: How to make AmiPro2.0 seamless
From: slam@desire.wright.edu
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:03:03 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

Hello one and all. I've got sort of a perplexing problem. I'm trying to
install AmiPro 2.0 as a seamless Win app on the desktop (2.0 GA). I installed
the program under Win-OS/2 and then proceeded to migrate the app to the
desktop. Everything went fine but AmiPro became installed as a full-screen
app. I proceeded to change the settings but I find that everything in the
Windows section is grayed except for the Full-Screen option.

Am I missing something??

SC Lam - slam@eve.wright.edu 
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: itreleav@fraser.sfu.ca (Ian Anthony Treleaven)
Subject: Re: EEP pgrm free OS/2 form arrived
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 00:26:02 GMT

Do you get the EEP free OS/2 as long as you got one of the betas?  I only
got 6.167 through the EEP, via the Atlanta BBS.  I think I heard this before
but I want to confirm.


Thanks
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: smsmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Smith)
Subject: Re: Help!  OS/2 in Denver
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:25:05 GMT

>4) The installation process is ridiculous.  A full installation of OS/2
>takes up 30MB and nearly an hour of your time (if you get it right the
>first time) - and this is without installing any real applications.

How long would it take to install DOS, QEMM, Desqview, Windows,
OS/2, and other stuff (cache for example)???  A lot longer than
1 hour!  Yet OS/2 2.0 is DOS+QEMM+DV+Windows+OS/2+cache+etc. 
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sarb@usace.mil (Sarbjit Takhar)
Subject: OS/2 Intro at Comdex
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers, Sacramento District
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 04:40:38 GMT

For anyone whose interested ...

At the Demo/Intro of OS/2 at Comdex today (4/7), the last part
of Lee's demo of OS/2 showed Windows 3.1 running under OS/2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This followed a comment by Lee about Steve Balmer having nightmares
about IBM having access to Windows source code and that this would
just make those nightmares more frequent ...

Overall, the demo was very impressive ... they also gave away about
20 shrink-wrapped copies of OS/2 at the Sacramento IBM office where
I saw this (through a satellite link).


sarb
sarb@usace.mil
From: Rob_Mayhew@mindlink.bc.ca (Rob Mayhew)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Video problem - Optima VGA
Date: 16 Apr 92 06:59:45 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I've been trying to run V. 2.0 beta 6.177 LA, but without success. It installs
and loads fine, but the video breaks up any time I try to start a Windows or
DOS app. It seems that OS2 keeps running (and maybe the app too), but it's hard
to be sure when you can't read the display!

The VGA adapter is an Optima 1024, running on a Tseng 3000 chip, and driving a
640x480 colour monitor. The box is a Datatrain 3016SX (386SX CPU); OS2 is
installed in its own 30MB HPFS partition on a Boot Manager setup. The system
has 40MB and 105MB hard drives, and 4MB of RAM. Video and ROM shadowing is
disabled.

Anyone got any suggestions?
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 14:09:12 EDT
From: Dan Kehn <KEHN@CARVM3.VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject: Shutdown of 2.0
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc


In <1992Apr8.094140.5854@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> T. Voelkering writes:
>Someone just said, he didn't know how to shut down without the mouse. Here
>is a way:
>      select the drive with your os2 on it and open it (several ctrl-esc)
>      go to "desktop"
>      press shift-f10
>      -> the popup menu of "desktop" opens and you can shutdown
>
>Hope that helps
>
>Thomas
>

Here's another method to get the Desktop pop-up window without the mouse:

  - Use Alt+Tab to give the Desktop the focus.
  - If any Desktop objects are selected, press the space bar to
    deselect them.
  - Press Shift+F10 to show the Desktop pop-up window.

Dan Kehn
From: n052fx@tamuts.tamu.edu (Yiu Wan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Ask Stupid Questions
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:47:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station


 I am new to OS2.. anyway..
 My machine just has 60Mb, and I am using stacker 2.0 which means
 I am having somewhat 120Mb. My Questions are:
 Can os2 recongize my stacker drives?
 If yes, how it works?
 If no, is there any alternative to get thru this? 
 Or, is there anything like stacker2.0 for Os2?

BTW, here is my machine config.:
   386/25sx
   ide HD 60Mb
   4m ram
   software: Windows3.0 stuff..
Can this "low-end" machine work fine w/ os2?
Thanks in advance

--- a Guy from Texas A&M U. Wan.
From: gulcu@masg1.epfl.ch (Ceki Gulcu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Extended attributes crosslinked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:44:13 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

Hello,

I have a problem which has been bothering me since the 6.167 beta (or maybe
from 1.3 days too, I can't remember..). 

When CHKDSK reports errors on my HD (one BIG_FAT partition), I usually boot
from disquette, run CHKDSK with the /F switch on my HD. CHKDSK corrects
lost-clusters  type erros but cannot remedy extended attributes related errors.
Here is the type of errors I'm talking about:

SYS1384: C:\MSC.6\BINB\NMAKE.EXE is cross-linked on extended attribute 63.

I get about 100 lines like that. 

The next time I run "CHKDSK C: /F" I get exactly the same errors.

One solution I have found is to move the files to some place and put them back
to their original place. This works, but is extremely tedious over a large number
of files.

Any ideas?

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ps: I am using the GA release.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Where's the advertising?
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 00:11:39 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I really don't think now that we are going to see any advertising until
they have come some distance with respect to satisfying the demand they
have without advertising.  Like why bother?  Maybe a fantasy but I'd just
love to see the first real adds say "Two million copies shipped!"
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
From: jarman@ee.ualberta.ca (Andrew Jarman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Borland C++ for OS/2 v.2.0
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:16:52 GMT
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY) writes:

>In article <880506s.703264836@aucs>, 880506s@aucs.acadiau.ca 
>(James R. Skinner) writes...
>>sidney@borland.com (Sidney Markowitz) writes:
>> 
>>>asking for things like cross-platform development options. One thing I
>>>wonder is, is there any reason to have a PM IDE that generates Windows
>>>executables if you can instead have a Windows or DOS compiler that
>>>runs in a VDM and can use the same project or make files as the PM
>>>version? I'm not hinting at any plans, I'm simply asking for

>>Nope I don't think we need a PM IDE that generates Windows executables
>>(it would be nice but since the compiler already exist to do this why
>>duplicate it?  It would also probably increase the cost.)  All we need 
>>is an PM IDE that generates PM, WPS and text programs.

>>Anybody disagree?

>If this is a wish list, why not a PM IDE which can generate PM, WPS, text, 
>DOS, and Windows programs, with the desired output selectable in the Compiler 
>Options of the IDE.  

>Cost?  Hell, its only money :-)

>Jim Dorcey
Well, just for my $0.02, I would like to see at least a text-based entry
screen.  When I'm entering C-code, I'm used to seeing my program scroll
at warp speed, being able to pg-dwn through hundreds of lines of code in
seconds, etc.  But, I can always use the older Dos entry screen, but it
would be nice to be able to select screen modes.

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From: olender@rodrigo.cs.colostate.edu (Kurt Olender)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: WHERE ARE THE TV ADS, WHERE ARE THE BANNERS IN STORES, WHERE IS THE MEDIA BLITZ???
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:39:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State Univ. Computer Science Dept.


Calm down guys!

I think it would a mistake for IBM to start advertising heavily to the general
public until the product is actually in the stores.  As so many of us have
found out in the past, it's extremely frustrating to hear about a product, go
to a store, and the store doesn't have it in stock (or have a way to order it
in less than a week).  Generates a lot of negative feelings.

I will be extremely disappointed if we fail to see the start of the campaign
by April 21, though.

I'm attending the Denver area OS/2 2.0 rollout event this afternoon.  I do
intend to ask them some pointed questions about when we will see the ad
campaign turn up.
From: winstead@faraday.ece.cmu.edu (Charles Holden Winstead)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Question: which dos apps work with os/2
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:50:30 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon

Before I switch to OS/2, I have to be sure that the current versions of
software I have will work, specifically - 

Matlab - 386, a program which uses it's own memory manager and needs 
         a couple of megs extended memory.

Ami Pro, Freelance Graphics both for windows.  Are there os/2 version of 
         these?

That's about it.  Is there a number I call call to check if these or other
new ones work?

Thanks,

-Chuck
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: Re: Word for Windows vs. Word for PM
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 16:20:19 GMT
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting

As it turns out, I was mistaken when I wrote that Word 5.5 runs as a
dos application on my os/2 6.304. It installed as an os/2 application
and I forgot that fact until I read about the os/2 version in
subsequent postings and email.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: at278@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andy Miller)
Subject: Re: Tastes gross/more fattening
Reply-To: at278@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andy Miller)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 12:38:21 GMT


In a previous article, jeffpar@microsoft.com (Jeff PARSONS) says:
>
>I think people are painting the robustness issue far too black and white.
>In Windows 3.1, you'll hit far fewer faults, and a much higher percentage
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Funny, we are running 3.1 on an SX here an now we get more UAE, but now
they seem to be recoverable (RAE?).


>of them will be non-fatal (as compared to Windows 3.0).  The percentages
>are better with OS/2, but you pay a price for that (in terms of size and
>speed of the operating system).  Don't delude yourself though, OS/2 is not
>bullet-proof.  There are things like shared memory and other shared objects
>running around in the system which, if misused or abused, can subtly or
>non-subtly hose your system.
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ain't that the truth.  But for my day to day work, I can break windows in
just a few minutes.



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From: U54345@uicvm.uic.edu (Darius Vaskelis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: os2 and dos both single tasking?
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:37:46 GMT
 <1992Apr12.220130.19957@midway.uchicago.edu>
 <1992Apr15.034019.11603@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

>This brings the following question: Can I do (in OS/2) something like:
>
>> bcc my_huge_program &
>> qmodem                        (gotta try to keep up with news!)
>
>In other words can I do all my multitasking from a single text window, or
>would I need to open 2 windows, and do the compile in one and start qm
>in the other?

The OS/2 command line shell (CMD.EXE) provides two ways to start programs
right from the command line but have them not be in the same screen
session.

DETACH runs programs that are non-interactive.  START runs interactive
programs.  So, providing that bcc creates some type of output file with
error listings, you could do:

detach bcc my_huge_program
start qmodem

And you would still be in the same CMD.EXE session, with bcc doing its
work in the background, and Qmodem would be running in another session
that you could key (or mouse) to.

- Darius
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From: asher@qtp.ufl.edu (Robert L. Asher)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: OS/2   Interupts?   DMA port calls?   Extended Services?
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:24:54 GMT
Organization: Quantum Theory Project, University of Florida

I have seen several statements in this group which seem to directly conflict.

OS/2 2.0 is not interupt driven OS.  OS/2 uses irq7, which conflicts with 
Soundblaster cards, for printer control.

OS/2 can run programs which make extensive use of DMA (ie wing commander)
OS/2 will probably require some sort of device driver to handle DMA port calls.
(in DOS shells)

Which of the above are correct?  If I have to rewrite DOS code which uses
interupts and direct memory access via port calls with OS/2 how can I do it?
Presently the code I have is written in Assembly and C.  How different is 
assembly written for DOS from OS/2?  
I quess I need to know which of the extended programs will I need or if the 
future release of BC++ for OS/2 (which borland assures me is coming) handle
all of the above with no need for the IBM "seperate packages".

Thanks in advance.
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