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From: tinsel@uiuc.edu (Thomas Aaron Insel)
Subject: Re: rec.scouting topics
Originator: tai50080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: tinsel@uiuc.edu
Organization: {not speaking for the} University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 04:54:07 GMT

hilding@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com (Hilding Holroyd) writes:

> I would agree with those who would like to see more "real Scouting"
> issues here. Should not the homosexual/heterosexual discussions be
> better on alternate nets or even simple e_mail.

There's plenty of bandwidth to go around.  I haven't posted anything
about this because I don't have any questions.  Post something about
camping, or whatever, and maybe you'll get some response.

> I would also complain about the personal attacks ("bigot" etc.). If
> you must be so personal, can you not do it personally with e_mail?

Remember, this is USENET.
-- 
Thomas Aaron Insel (tinsel@uiuc.edu)
  I speak for myself, and not for the State or University of Illinois.
  "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty." -- Edward R. Murrow
Xref: sparky rec.scouting:2511 alt.discrimination:3920
From: ckennedy@sleepy.helios.nd.edu (chris kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:22:46 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <1992Aug21.170715.25611@m.cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>
>So what about the United Way? It is also a private organization but
>one that is often given special access in both private organziations
>and public organizations. It needs a clear antidiscrimination policy
>so that donating organizations and individuals can see if their policy
>is compatable with its policy.
>
I think that this is exactly what happened.  The United Way had an anti-
discrimination policy which excluded the BSA.  People looked at the United
Ways policy and decided that it was not compatible with their own beliefs and
policies and so the United Way changed their policy.  If in fact the KKK youth
group got funding from the UW then I imagine that the UW would change their 
policy again.  

Simple process.

Chris
From: rickc@pogo.wv.tek.com (Rick Clements)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Scouting Roundup
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:19:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <1992Aug14.193749.18092@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>transition from 5th grade Webelos to the Troop.  Over the past
>few years, the 5th graders have been woefully unprepared, to the
>point that we need to retest the boys on everything that they were
>supposed to have done to get the Arrow of Light (e.g., we can tolerate

Last night we had our first Round Table of the year.  The Round Table
Commisioner called on our Cubmaster to lead the Cub Scout promise.  Now I have
seen him lead it dozens of times.  But, he was unable to remember it.  The
point she was trying to make was the Boys will forget it too.

I remeber learning the Scout Law for my Arror Of Light and then relearning it
about a half a year later for my Tenderfoot.  After learning it, we hadn't
used it again in our den.  The brain is like DRAM; if you don't refresh it,
the information is gone.

>How have other Troops and 5th grade Webelos Dens worked together?  Also,

There are three troops in our area that our boys move into.  (Two are in our
district while the other is in an other district.)  My boys became Webelos last
May.  All the Webelos were invited by one of the troops to a hike in Ape Caves.
(A two mile scramble though a lava tube.)  The troops usually invite the
Webelos to several activities and meetings.  Also, two of the three Webelos
Dens will have a Den Chief.  (The other den meets too early in the afternoon
for a Den Chief to get there.  The Asst. Den Leader works in the evenings, so
they can't move it to a later time.)

>in what month do you have crossover (or do the boys finish the year
>with the pack and not join the Troop until the start of 6th grade)?

We bridged the boys in late May last spring.  (I'm not sure of the reason for
the timing.)  This coming sprint we will bridge them in early April.  The
reason is to give the boys time to prepare of a Camperee while they are members
of the troop.
-- 
Rick Clements (RickC@pogo.WV.TEK.COM)
From: osler@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Scout Oath/Promise & Scout Law - Multinational!
Date: 22 Aug 92 13:07:47 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Here are the Canadian versions

On my honour, 
I promise to love and serve God,
my Queen, my country, and my fellow man,
and to live by the scout law

A scout is
kind and cheerful
helpful and trustworthy
considerate and clean
and wise in the use of his resources

Ta,

John Osler
Dal Oceanography,
Halifax, NS, Canada

and the 4th Halifax Highland Troop
From: hilding@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com (Hilding Holroyd)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: rec.scouting topics
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:32:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Concurrent Computer ,Oceanport NJ

I would agree with those who would like to see more "real Scouting"
issues here. Should not the homosexual/heterosexual discussions be
better on alternate nets or even simple e_mail.

I would also complain about the personal attacks ("bigot" etc.). If
you must be so personal, can you not do it personally with e_mail?

just IMHO.

-- 

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FAX: 908-870-5952    2 Crescent Place, Oceanport NJ 07757   PH 908-870-4558 
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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: johnw@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au (John Wanless)
Subject: Re: HELP- History of Scout Promise  
Organization: Psychology Department, University of Tasmania
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:06:23 GMT

In article <johnw.3.713745387@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au> johnw@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au (John Wanless) writes:
>From: johnw@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au (John Wanless)
>Subject: HELP- History of Scout Promise  
>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:36:27 GMT
>To fellow Scouters,
>		I have a friend completing his Wood Badge as a Venturer 
>Leader and as part of his project he has to give the history of how the 
>Scout Promise came about & when in time. Their seems to be plenty of 
>information on how the Scout Laws were evolved but not the promise. He has 
>been through many earlier books to no avail. This is all that is needed to 
>complete his project.I know the promise varies slightly around the world but 
>the fundamentals must be the same.
> Can any one out there help with this please & email me a reply.
With thanks from,
>John Wanless>Venturer Leader>1st Blackmans Bay Scout Group>
Hobart, Tasmania Australia 
 
I haven't heard from anyone regarding the Scout Promise info, either a lot 
of people don't know the history of it like me or perhaps thought that the 
question has been answered.I would still like to know the above if possible,
the Scout promise as we in Australia know it is as follows,
On my honour,
I promise that I will do my best,
To do my duty to my God and
To the Queen of Australia,
To help other people,and
To live by the Scout Law.
From: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com (Bob Haar)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: tents for scout camping.
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:46:05 GMT
Reply-To: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com
Organization: G.M. Research Labs

Our troop is looking for replacements for our existing "fleet" of
tents. I would like to hear what kinds of tents other scotuers on the
net have experience with, and if there are ways to get particularly
good deals.

We currently have ten four-man (nominal) canvas, cabin-style tents
taht we have used for about fifteen years. It has taken a great deal
of repair and TLC to get them this far. But they all seem to be wearing
out at the same time, like the one hoss shay.

We camp at least one weekend a month throughout the school year, in 
addition to the week of summer camp and often another week of high
adventure campign each summer. For most of this, we haul the troop
equipment in a large trailer, so bulk and weight are not a big
concern. When we go backpacking, most of the older scouts have their
own light weight tents that we use.

Since we camp year round in Michigan, we see extremes in weather
and most of it is wet.

The desirable characteristics are:

	- able to hold three souts + gear 
	- durable
	- easy to set up ( at night, in the rain, etc.)
	- easy care
	- enough standing room to be comfortable
	- a good deal over the long run, not necessarily the lowest price

I'd like to hear comments and suggestions.

		yours in Scouting,


		Bob Haar
		Chartered Organization Representative,  Troop and Pack 188
		Ojibwa District, Clinton Valley Council. BSA
		Rochester Hills, Michigan





---
	Robert Haar               InterNet : rhaar@gmr.com 
	Computer Science Dept., G.M. Research Laboratories
DISCLAIMER: Unless indicated otherwise, everything in this note is
personal opinion, not an official statement of General Motors Corp.


Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: hathaway@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: tents for scout camping.
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:29:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.150803.21411@uceng.UC.EDU>, jgcombs@uceng.UC.EDU (Joseph Combs) writes:
> In article <Bt5vIM.4w@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tinsel@uiuc.edu writes:
> 
>>I would suggest you look at some of the larger tents from Eureka.  I
>>can't remember the name, but they have a line of self-supporting tents
>>with 2 poles at either end and a curved ridgepole.  They are very easy
>>to set up, even in the dark.
> 
> My troop has been using Eureka tents for approximately 20 years and have
> had no major problems.  We use their 8-man cabin model (I'm not sure of
> the exact name). It features a similar 3 pole support configuration with a
> canvas roof and walls and a vinyl floor.
> 
> The first ones we had lasted 15 years under some of the roughest conditions
> you can imagine. What finally did them in was when we were at a district 
> peterloon and a tornado was spotted in the vicinity. Despite the strong winds 
> shredding 4 of them one is still in use to this day. 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> | Joe Combs                          |jgcombs@uceng.uc.edu                   |
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------


I also have used an Eureka (the 2-person size) for 10? years and it has 
served quite well.  It did not come with elastic cord through the poles, 
but I later added it and it has made set-up almost automatic.  Other people 
are constantly surprised at how quickly it sets up.  One of the very 
nice advantages of the self-standing feature is, upon returning from 
a trip in which it gets wet from dew or rain, it is possible to set 
it up inside on a carpet or even a cement floor (garage or basement or 
meeting room) to dry out before packing away for the next trip.  It is 
certainly roomy enough for me and my gear, or for two (quite friendly) 
adults and minimal gear.  It would be a crowd for three of any size.  
The price was quite reasonable.  I have seen the 4-person size of similar 
design and it should handle three scouts and gear comfortably.     
There are many other modern tents on the market that should serve well, 
but I still do like the self-supporting feature.  

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Wm. Hathaway                       | I learned to tolerate some real *******s 
| Space Exploration R Us             | in Troop 5 and the surrounding Council 
| Baltimore MD                       | - WHH 
|                                    | (BTW - at the risk of starting a Real 
|                                    | flame fest, I camp with (quite friendly)
|                                    | not-necessarily-heteros of the opposite 
|                                    | sex.) 
____________________________________________________________________________

Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: castaldi@heroes
Subject: <None>
Organization: Glassboro State College
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:56:21 GMT


LETS START A NEWSGROUP CALLED BITCH.SCOUTING.  ALL YOU GUYS THAT HAVE HI-
JACKED REC.SCOUTING CAN GO THERE! I THOUGHT THE REC. STOOD FOR RECREATION!

IF YOU WANT TO POST CAMPFIRE SONGS, SKITS, TROOP ADMIN INFO, SCOUT CAMP
REVIEWS, EAGLE PROJECTS, QUESTIONS, RANK ADVANCEMENT, JAMBOREE ETC.. , THIS IS
THE PLACE!  AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, AND I BET 99% OF THE PEOPLE WHO READ
THIS, ALL THAT OTHER STUFF IS WASTED DISK SPACE.
From: ashe@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com (Shawn J. Ashe x0193)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Wearing Eagle Badge & Medal
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:15:35 GMT
Organization: Sanders Associates

In article <1992Aug17.133254.17282@eng.umd.edu> wayne@eng.umd.edu (Wayne C. McCullough) writes:
>Does anyone out there know of the guidelines for wearing the
>eagle badge and/or medal?  In particular, can an eagle 18yrs
>or older wear the medal at cerimonies?
>

My brother wrote a letter to National asking about this. The responce he
got was quite reasonable.  They said that after 18, adults are supposed
to
wear the eagle knot, however, the patch is yours and the shirt is yours
and what you do with your shirt and your patch is up to you.

This was one time I was happy with a response from national.

Shawn
From: bcockburn@acorn.co.uk (Bruce Cockburn)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: HELP- History of Scout Promise
Date: 22 Aug 92 13:00:36 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England


  Here are the Scout Law and Scout Promise as used by the F.S.E. (a European
scouting body) in Great Britain.


Scout Law:   1. A Scout's honour is to be trusted.
             2. A Scout is loyal to his Queen, his Country, his Scouters,
                his Parents, his Employers, and those under him.
             3. A Scout's duty is to be useful and to help others.
             4. A Scout is a friend to all, and a brother to every
                other Scout, no matter to what country, class or creed
                the other belongs.
             5. A Scout is courteous.
             6. A Scout is a friend to animals and to all other
                created things.
             7. A Scout obeys the orders of his parents, Patrol Leader,
                or Scout Master without question.
             8. A Scout smiles and whistles under all difficulties.
             9. A Scout is thrifty.
            10. A Scout is clean in thought, word and deed.

Scout Promise:  On my honour I promise that I will do my best,
                To do my duty to God, the Queen, my Country and Europe.
                To help other people at all times,
                And to obey the Scout Law.

  Yours in Scouting, Bruce.

Any views expressed are my own and are not necessarily those     _--_|\ 
of Acorn. Any factual information is given in good faith and    /      \
neither I, nor Acorn can accept liability for loss or damage    \_.--._/
resulting from its use.                                               v 
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From:  (m19701)
Subject: Re: <None> (purpose of newsgroup)
Followup-To: rec.scouting
Organization: mitre.org
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:26:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.185621.1@heroes>, castaldi@heroes wrote:
> 
> 
> LETS START A NEWSGROUP CALLED BITCH.SCOUTING.  ALL YOU GUYS THAT HAVE HI-
> JACKED REC.SCOUTING CAN GO THERE! I THOUGHT THE REC. STOOD FOR RECREATION!
> 
> IF YOU WANT TO POST CAMPFIRE SONGS, SKITS, TROOP ADMIN INFO, SCOUT CAMP
> REVIEWS, EAGLE PROJECTS, QUESTIONS, RANK ADVANCEMENT, JAMBOREE ETC.. , THIS IS
> THE PLACE!  AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, AND I BET 99% OF THE PEOPLE WHO READ
> THIS, ALL THAT OTHER STUFF IS WASTED DISK SPACE.

-----------------
Once upon a time this news group was primarily used for the purposes above
(or at least it seemed that way).  Now it seems to be another place for
people to debate society's issues over and over and over and over and over.
. .

I for two would like to see a bit more of the stuff that keeps most of us
in scouting and a forum for communicating the ideas to keep kids
interested.  I'm sure many scouters around the world have ideas they'd like
to share.


ed.
(Asst.Scout Master, Cub Master, Girl Scout Leader, and Eagle)
Xref: sparky rec.scouting:2505 alt.discrimination:3917
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:17:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


Carl Kadie asks for a policy that would include the Boy Scouts but
exclude the KKK youth organization from Bank of America grants.
This is unnecessary, since the Bank of America is a private organization
and may make grants, within its policy guidelines, to whomever it
likes. Any such guidelines say who is excluded, but not who
WILL receive grants, and are there simply to indicate who "need not
apply." Further, they may be changed at will, as we have seen.

Thus the grant-making body of the Bank may refuse to give to the KKK
and need not say why. It's still a free country.
From: gascan@dcst16.dc (Bill Gascoyne)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: American Flag Disposal
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:31:23 GMT
Reply-To: gascan@dcst16.dc
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

The prescribed way to dispose of an American flag is to RESPECTFULLY burn it
(i.e. in a manner not requiring a supreme court decision).

---
1. Bill Gascoyne
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: rec.scouting topics
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:12:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

hilding@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com (Hilding Holroyd) writes:

>I would agree with those who would like to see more "real Scouting"
>issues here. Should not the homosexual/heterosexual discussions be
>better on alternate nets or even simple e_mail.
[...]

The discrimination discussion does not exclude less controversial
scouting discussion.

If you want to discuss other topics, post a note about another topic.

If you don't want to read posts about discrimination, skip them (or
use your newsreaders kill facility, if it has one.)

If you don't want others to discuss discrimination in this open forum,
sorry, the nature of an open forum is that folks will discuss issues
that other folks don't want discussed.

- Carl
--
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
From: gascan@dcst16.dc (Bill Gascoyne)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Wearing Eagle Badge & Medal
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:58:14 GMT
Reply-To: gascan@dcst16.dc
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

In article 17282@eng.umd.edu, wayne@eng.umd.edu (Wayne C. McCullough) writes:
>Does anyone out there know of the guidelines for wearing the
>eagle badge and/or medal?  In particular, can an eagle 18yrs
>or older wear the medal at cerimonies?
>
>In my troop, it is customary for everyone who recieved the badge in
>the troup (ie, non-parents) to wear the medal at cerimonies (esp eagle
>COH), even if they are over 18.  Only those under 18 wear the badge.
>
>W

My understanding of uniform policy is that the medal is to be worn at ceremonial 
occations, badge or no badge.  The only caution I would give you concerns the badge,
not the medal.  The badge is worn by Scouts; the square knot is worn by adults.  So
those such as myself who earned Eagle just before turning 18 (and thus were 
awarded the badge after the 18th birthday) never get to (legally) wear the Eagle badge,
but only the square knot (and medal, on proper occasions). 

---
1. Bill Gascoyne
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Subject: Re: BSAvoting structure
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:25:45 GMT

On 14 Aug 92 03:17:45 -0500, naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu said:
> If it is a question of whether BSA has taken federal funds for things,
> I can give a definite example. Far east council has one of its summer
> camps on the military base @ okinawa and we got certain things for free 
> from the US military. I don't have specific details but would be shocked
> this was not true elsewhere.

I spent a summer working in a summer camp for a BSA council in Northern
California.  We regularly got "government cheese" and other government
surplus dairy products (items that are normally distributed to welfare
families) from the federal government.

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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Subject: Re: Scoutin past
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:33:58 GMT

On 14 Aug 1992 06:26:36 GMT, rchafetz@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Ross Chafetz) said:
> And another classic the snipe hunt (which was featured on a Cheers
> show).  I remember having the shit scared out of me from a creature that
> did not exist.  But my Senior Patrol leader said I was real close to
> catching one.  They're even suppose to taste great.

I was led on a "snipe hunt" as a Tenderfoot my first year at summer camp.
Years later, I was amazed to find the following in Webster's:

>1. snipe \'sni-p\ n or snipes;  or snipe [ME, of Scand origin; akin to ON
>   sni-pa snipe; akin to OHG snepfa pl X snipe pl  1a: any of several game
>   birds (genus Capella) esp. of marshy areas that resemble the related
>   woodcocks 1b: any of various usu. slender-billed related birds {suborder
>   Charadrii} 2: a contemptible person

Apparently Webster's is in on this joke too :-)
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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: glen@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Glen Jensen)
Subject: Re: American Flag Disposal
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 15:28:37 GMT


PLEASE REMEMBER- some of the flags used are made out of synthetic materials
which will give off noxious gasses when burned!!.  Nothing like a nice 5' x 8'
C
flag being placed on a fire, then smelling the burning NYLON .......

Glen Jensen
WE1-492-83
Go 'lopes

Newsgroups: rec.scouting