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From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Insensitive mainland chauvinist view. (Was: Who Cares 150 F-16s.)
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:46:17 GMT
Organization: New York University

gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:

>usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:

>>>     Suppose Guangdong wants to be indepedent some day and pass
>>> a referendum, is that O.K. ? Then maybe other Provinces will follow.
>>> There will be some thirty countries on mainland, is that what you want ?
>>> 

>>Ask people in Guangdong whether they want independence. Ask them! Let them  
>>vote! If most people in Guangdong want to be independent, let them go! Again,  
>>let people choose their future! If most people in Guangdong or Fujian or Yunan,  
>>etc. want to be independent, you just can't stop them even you have troops of  
>>10 million.

>>Economy is not the only concern. People leave not only because of the poor  
>>economy. There were quite a few American Jews went to Israel years ago to  
>>develop that country. Nobody forced them to go and the living standard were not  
>>as good. Why they went there? Ask yourself?


>>Carl

>Is this the guy who asked Chinese to build a strong China?
>Gees, how many pay checks he gets. May be it is the drug....... HIV........
>:x
>how to quit
>	
>		#@$%@%^@% 
>}#@$%{[]

Oh, yes, he has published a lot of intelligent thought on what he deems a
future China on the net. 

- Li, Qiang

==========================================================================
- Why are so many Italians guys called Tony?
- Because when they first came to this country they didn't know the way, so What
  they did was they cut their hair off and printed on the forehead "TO NY" (To
  New York!).
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: UNIVERSAL RESPONSIBILITY AND OUR GLOBAL ENVIRONMENT
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:33:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

pcalvert@nyx.cs.du.edu (P. Calvert) writes:


>UNIVERSAL RESPONSIBILITY AND OUR GLOBAL ENVIRONMENT: Address to
>Non-Governmental Organizations by His Holiness the Dalai Lama
 
>Global Forum, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, June 7, 1992
 
Mr. Calvert should have known that this is a news group on
culture, it's not a show place for politician.


Ze Yang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhong Liu)
Subject: Re: F-16's fear?
Keywords: Su-27 or  F-16 which one is better??????????????? 
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:19:19 GMT

Maybe it's time to compare which one is superior, Su-27 or F-16?
If Su-27 is superior, the mainland government doesn't need to
worry about the sale to Taiwan and for Taiwan, it's just a money
waste. Can any of "military expert" netters tell the specifications
about these two planes like max speeds, climbing speeds, fighting
range and weapons?

Z. Liu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: ychen@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Yung-Chin Chen)
Subject: Re: Insensitive mainland chauvinist view. (Was: Who Cares 150 F-16s.)
Organization: /homes/ychen/.organization
	<10SEP199215495996@deimos.ucc.umass.edu>
	<1992Sep10.221622.10037@cs.yale.edu>
	<1992Sep11.133443.5656@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
	<13SEP199211051202@phobos.ucc.umass.edu>
Date: 13 Sep 92 13:21:19

In article <13SEP199211051202@phobos.ucc.umass.edu> s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:

   In article <1992Sep11.133443.5656@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He) writes...
   > 
   >I want to add one point. This big China chauvinism pig 
   >can not  tell the difference between defence and offence.
   > 
   >Weapons in Taiwaneses'  hands are for defence.
   >Weapons in mainlanders' hands are for offence.
   > 
   >To sell weapons to Taiwan is to increase the stability of the Strait.
   > 
   >If mainlanders don't want to invade Taiwan, why should they worry 
   >about this F-16 sale?
   > 
   >My dear fellow Taiwanese, prepare yourself  for the worst.
   >I don't how many mainlanders share the same view as this blood thirsty
   >chauvinism pig. As long as these pigs are there, we have to fight them
   >whether we get united or independent, because the only thing these pigs
   >want is to suck up our hard-earned prosperity.
   > 
   > 

>   I think that this netter never read the posts before s/he wrote the above
>   garbage. Nobody has ever implied that he like to attack Taiwan and destroy
>   the prosperity of Taiwan. 

What?! Are you new here? Have you read some posts about using nuclear
weapon to destroy Taiwan if she declares independence or refuses to be
unified? Have you read some posts claiming that everything in Taiwan
belongs to Chinese in mainland?

>   However, Taiwan independence is not acceptable to most of the Chinese
>   people on both side of the Taiwan Straight. Even the Taipei government
>   does not agree with Taiwan independence.

Goverment is goverment. People is people. Do you agree everything done
by CCP, such as killing students? Now TI is not accepted by the KMT's
goverment because of her political interests. TI is not accepted by
the majority becasue of CCP's threat.  In the current situation, we do
not see more benefits than disadvantages when both sides get unified.
We may not prefer independence at this moment but we hate unification
even more!

>   The issue here is that Wshington is violating its agreement with Beijing,
>   violating the sovereignty of PRC. 

USA also had an agreement to sell defensive weapons to Taiwan. F-16 is
not a bomber, as B-2. It is not a long-ranged fighter. Thus, do not
tell me that 150 F-16s can overturn PRC's goverment.

>   I feel sorry that your mother
>   did not wash your mouth before she give your birth. If all of the
>   people from Taiwan are like you, life would be much easier.

To insult other's mother is unacceptable in any circumstance!

>   c.q.

ychen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: Golden Arcade, the garden of Eden for computer shoppers, PART 1 (Source: The Age 27/8/92) 
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:29:14 GMT

Hi guys,
	
	The following is an article from "The Age"(the local newspaper here),
originally titled "Computer shopping that takes your breath away", written by
Richard Curren. I've read and found it quite interesting. So, I think it's now
your turn, mate... 

===< Part 1 

   
IF you revel in a more unfashioned urban experience, Hongkong almost certain-
ly will appeal. It offers one of the world's utilmate urban encounters. If you
also happen to be shopping for a note-book, laptop, desktop PC or any product
related thereto, you may have hit the jackpot.

It's not that Hongkong prices are dramatically lower than in Melbourne or
Sydney. On average Hongkong prices are still somewhat lower. The sheer 
experience of PC-shopping in Hongkong and the range of products available can
take your breath away.

For some Hongkong PC-tourists, the shopping experience can be relatively sani-
tised. Close to the heart of the Tsim Sha Tsui tourist shopping mecca in Kowloon
is the Silvercord Centre in Canton Road. It has a large range of PC outlets,
mainly in the basement. The Silvercord Centre is fairly new and polished. If you
seek to reach beyond the Chadstone-like(said to be the most elegant plaze here)
experience you need to go to the Golden Arcade in Sham Shui Po in north-west
Kowloon. To get there you climb aboard Hongkong's astonishingly busy, efficient
and inexpensive Mass Transmit Railway(MTR). You need to find your way to the RED
LINE which runs between Tsuen Wan, in the New Territories, and Central on the 
Hongkong Island(where you may well be staying). Buses and taxis can also take you 
there but MTR is a component in the total experience. Chances are, you'll climbed
aboard at some place entirely unlike Sham Shui Po, so, when you emerge from the
bowels of the earth, the impact is that much more dramatic.

At Sham Shui Po MTR, you simply follow up the signs to the Golden Arcade inside
the station which will lead you to an EXIT that's diagonally opposite the main
entrance to the Golden Arcade. If you want to savour Hongkong life in full,
incredible flow, try going on Saturday or Sunday evening! Shops are open until
about 10:00pm, 7 days a week, throughtout most of Hongkong.

As you come out of the MTR on an early summer's evening, all you known senses 
(and some that you didn't know you had) will be entirely engaged. The humidity
will hit you like the absolute level of commercial activity: mobile hawkers
of every kind, selling food, drinks, clothes, footwear, games of chance, etc.
surround the Exit. Cars, taxis, trucks, scooters, mini-buses and double-deckers
clog the streets where the hawkers have left space. Everywhere there are people.


>===

	The final bit of the article will be posted shortly.

	Sorry for having to divide the whole article into parts, the original
text is rather lengthy.
 
	Hope you've enjoyed...(I've enjoyed this typing exercise!)

---Cheers,
	Bill

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Subject: Re: To those pro Shen Tong guys .. a question for SCC folks
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: /cuba_b/dirbe/roten/.organization
X-Newsreader: GNU Emacs 18.57.1, GNUS 3.13, NNTP 3.10
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:53:04 GMT

In article <8974unreg-080992172928@cinder.ncl.ac.uk> 
unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (sundaram) writes:

[sigh .. never mind .. cited rant deleted]

A question for SCC netters:  

What is it about this thread that makes me feel that the Cultural 
Revolution is alive, well, and living in Usenet News ????  

--
Charles Roten | Hughes-STX, Incorporated | 
  roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov               | 'Use the Source, Luke!'
  7601 Ora-Glen Dr., Greenbelt, MD 20706 | 
  301-513-7805 (w),  301-317-0872 (h)    |            Obi-Wan Stallman
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ldong@hila.hut.fi (Liyun Dong)
Subject: Border and human rights (Re: British refuse Chinese Asylum
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:32:44 GMT


Passport control may be considered as the biggest violation of universal
human rights. If the West is not willing to grant the freedom of
travel to a Chinese citizen, then there seems no need for to discuss
human right issues in China.

As long as the passport control practise and visa requirement are considered
as normal phenomena, any talk about basic and universal human rights is
meaningless. Or it is only meaningful inside the advocater's own passport
and custums control area.

Huachen Pan
Finland
----------------
the account is not mine
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:25515 soc.culture.taiwan:13333
From: xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Xiang Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Insensitive mainland chauvinist view. (Was: Who Cares 150 F-16s.)
Date: 14 Sep 1992 14:25:20 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: eddy.cfm.brown.edu

In article <YCHEN.92Sep13130214@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu>, ychen@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Yung-Chin Chen) writes:
|> In article <18t03tINNlk3@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Xiang Zhou) writes:
|> 
|>    In article <1992Sep11.200737.18320@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He) writes:
|> 
|>    |> Those big China chauvinists are not elligible as Chinese.
|>    |> Insulting them is not equivalent to insulting Chinese, unless
|>    |> you believe ALL Chinese are chauvinists.
|>    |> 
|>    |> I thought PRC's education needs improvement,
|>    |> at least in the training of basic logic thinking.
|>    |> Probably those commies rulers don't want you guys to become too smart.
|>    |> 
|>    |> I don't think all Chinese are chauvinists. 
|>    |> Hope more and more mainlanders realize and respect Taiwan people's choice.
|> 
|> >     This time you behave yourself a little but still have much to learn. You
|> >   talk about respect and choice. What about your respect and other people's choise.
|> >   When someone has a view which you don't like, you regard him as a pig, you do
|> >   have a good training of logic! "If you don't like something done to yourself, then
|> >   you don't do that to others". I hope that I am not wasting my time here and
|> >    onemore
|> >   Chinese knows how to behave. 
|> 
|> Really? So do you have comment about your comrade J. Chen, who claimed
|> that all TIers must be executed without execuse? Do you have comment
|> about your fellows in SCC who use a lot of dirty words on the poor
|> Norway guy?  To use dirty words on someone who has a different point
|> of view is not appropriate. However, see who did it first. For the
|> F-16 aircraft issues, check those posts from mainlanders. Their
|> attitudes (not all of them) are disgusting! If you do not respect us,
|> do not expect that we, Taiwanese (all people living in Taiwn), respect
|> you.
|> 
|> ychen
|> 
    What I have said about respect and choice applies to everybody, mainlander
or Taiwanese. Remember I said " One more Chinese...", (I hope you still consider
Taiwanese are Chinese). I cannot read every post, in this case, it was Mr. He
who began to insult first, so I teach him a lesson, anything wrong with that?
I deal with people one by one and don't think every Taiwanese talks like
jchang@shmps.ohio-st, e.g.,
I think Mr. Allen Yang is quite a gentleman (in positive sense), so don't
label every mainlander with a dirty label and justify Mr. He's insulting.  
|> 	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yshuang@cathedral.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Yongshan Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Keywords: hello !
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:07:48 GMT

This is only a test!
From: dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: English Usage
Date: 6 Sep 92 13:41:50 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

wang@math.psu.edu (Feng Wang) writes: 
> yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:
>>xiaofei@einstein.physics.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>>>*>The discussion reminds me of this most stupid thing (I think) in English.
>>>*>You say 1 meter, 2 meters, 10 meters, 0.5 meters, 0.001 meters, and you
>>>*>even have to say -72 meters, -0.975 meters, and of course, ZERO METERS!  
>>>*>Everything except 1 is plural.  Now what about -1?  Is it singular? :-)
>>>* 
>>>* >dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
>>>  
>>>The correct usage is for | X | <= 1, we say X meter, otherwise X meters.
>>
>>Is it? I didn't know that English native speakers were so mathematical:-)
>>
>>	Fan
> 
> I think XiaoFei's right.  To be a little serious: in most people's mind,
> mathematics is far far from real life.  It is not.  It is in everyday life.


    Well, XiaoFei's formula is worng!  Ask your math teacher.  :-)  

    On another thought, if you are are a Ph.D. student, ask your roommate 
instead.  Your advisor may fire you if you ask himer this question!

    By the way, XiaoFei seems to be the one spead most number of rumors 
on scc about grammar, math and physics.  :-)   Einstein may have had invented
many weird things, but he didn't spead rumors.  :-)

dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Territory of Ancient China : Ming Dynasty
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 23:19:51 GMT

In article <BuA4xo.IxI@news.orst.edu> heathd@ucs.orst.edu (Du Shi-hua Heath) writes:

>Seem to me you don't believe many parts of the origional post, and point out
>many mistakes.  Could you summarize your version of ancient Chinese territory?
>And please give a reference of your resources.  I'd like to see all the
>versions of Chinese history and related subjucts.

For the period from Warring States to the Five Dynasties, my source is mostly
the Je1 Ji4 Tong1 Jien4 (I know I am butchering the spelling, but what the
heck) which was compiled by Si1 Ma3 Guan1 (of Song Dynasty).  I am, as a
result, much more familiar with these periods.  I am less famiiar with what
is before and what is after, and my source for times during this time is
mostly Bo2 Yang2's Chung1 Kuo2 Ren2 She3 Gang1 ("The History of the Chinese").

Bo Yang did give pretty definitive boundaries; in the case of Si Ma Guan, it's
more like *not* seeing him mentioning places than seeing him mentioning them
that gives me a sense of boundaries.  For example, since he didn't talk of
any Tang expedition to northern Manchuria, I assume there wasn't any.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhang@cs.rochester.edu (Zhang Ju)
Subject: Re: Martial Arts in Chinese Life
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 19:17:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.004908.2323@wkuvx1.bitnet> pierccm@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>In the beginning of the Communist rule of China, martial arts took a swift
>decline (at least that is my understanding).  But through out the life span
>of China martial arts has always played a big role.  What I would like to 

Martial arts activities and organizations has traditionally attached to
gangsters in Chinese society. Altough CCP took advantage of them during
its struggle of acquiring power, it would not allow another source of 
authority. The gangsters experienced a massacre in 1950 (so-called cracking
down of 'evil bullys' -- EhBar) which ineffect wiped out organized martial
arts activity.  

Chinese martial arts in mainland mainly survive in several forms: 

1. Individual exercise, 

2. Entertainment by grassroots artists (JiangHuYiRen),

3. Buhdist and Taoist temples,

4. Government sporsored sports-like activity.

Recently, in places with a very active martial arts tradition, various
martial arts groups have formed in different forms.

I personally know people from three groups, which kind of represent the
new trends in Chinese martial arts activity:

1. The Beijing University Martial Arts League. A half official organization
which claim to practice martial arts as a form of excercse.  But it is
occasionally used as policing force during campus festivities. I don't know
if it played any role in the student martials in TAM square although it 
should be a natural thing.

2. There is a group of Master and Students in Sichuan University. The master
is a faculty member and the students are mostly young faculty memberss or
students.

3. My father met a guy The Ironsmith Yang in a labor-education camp ( a coal
mine). He headed a group of martial arts practitioners after he was released.
I heard that he was executed by the government later because that he crippled
two people in a fight caused by his followers.


>know is:  How much of a factor is martial arts in the lives of people in 
>China today?

Golf for upper class American is like the martial arts for lower class 
young Chinese. To average people, it's just a kind of aerobics and a source of
entertainment.

>
>I guess I could have posted this to rec.martial.arts, but they talk more about
>Japanese and Korean arts rather than Chinese.  I think that people who read 
>this category will have a better knowledge on the subject.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chris


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: li@sce.carleton.ca (Yao Li)
Subject: info needed
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:57:23 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Hi, all:

I remember that there is a nationwide Professional Association based in US.
Her members are mostly the Chinese mainlanders graduated from the universities.
Does anyone know the contact person of this organization?
Or someone could email her constitution to me at li@sce.carleton.ca

Thanks a lot in advance

Li Yao
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li)
Subject: Re: Who Cares 150 F-16s.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:39:06 GMT


In article <Sep.11.14.47.38.1992.11128@sol.rutgers.edu>, lixj@sol.rutgers.edu (Xiao-jian Li) writes...
>li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li) writes:
> 
>>Again, Taiwan has proposed "no war" agreement but Mainland China refused. 
>>Tell me why?
> 
>Is that obvious? It is just a common topics that both CCP and KMT can
>talk about, keep the friendly conversation,
>KMT: no war
>CCP: no no war
>KMT: got to have no war
>CCP: no way to have no war
>KMT: I will have F16...
>Uncle Sam: I will count my green
> 
>Yuan1 Da4 Tou2
> 
>sorry, folks. just can't help:-)

Let me help you.

CCP: where you get money to pay for F16...
KMT: That's easy. Money will come from the investment in China.

Ha!Ha!Ha!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: F-16's fear?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:22:33 GMT

In article <65500111@acf3.NYU.EDU> yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes:
> xyang@bcars279.UUCP writes:
> 
> >Chinese"? BTW, Chairman Mao was the best in such thing -- how many 
> >innocent citizens died during Culture Revolution in the hands of other 
> >citizens? Please note that only very few (or close to none) died 
> 
> Reason for culture revolution can be so simple, our society need change,
> people can feel that the old way doesn't work, that's the reason.
> 
> Ze Yang

The reason for culture revolution is not as simple as you said. Unlike 6.4,  
people in culture revolution really didn't know what they were doing. Mao  
fooled and used the innecent people to fight against each other for his own  
power. 

The culture revolution not only brought tragedy to millions of people then, it  
is still influencing people's thoughts now. For example, even in the 1990s,  
many Chinese people still think that it always good and safe to be a leftest.  
Many people's minds are still twisted and they dare not or will not think  
objectively.

Carl
From: shay@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (George Shay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: I am looking for China internet addresses...
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:26:36 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

tiv@gov.chel.su (Tambovtsev Ilya) writes:


> Hi!

> Does somebody know?

> I am looking for any China internet E-mail addresses.
> It would be excellent if somebody could help me.

> Ilya Tambovtsev.

> Send me messages here and Cc: ilya@rich.chel.su

I do not know whether they have the internet connection. But a friend of
mine is working for China HP in Shanghai, he has an e-mail account in HP. So
I can send e-mail to him without any problems.

Also I was told one spot in China Science Academy has the Internet
connection through the communication satellite. But do not try to send
e-mail to them, they may get a hugh bill.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china