From: jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu (have clue, will travel)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.netrek reorganization (long)
Keywords: RIDICULOUS.  SIMPLY RIDICULOUS. 
Reply-To: jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: The Ghost Of Christmas Past Society
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:59:16 GMT


COUNTER-PROPOSAL AFTER A LONG FLAME : Jump to the ***** to bypass, although
the flame is VERY relevant to discussion.

adc@tardis.cl.msu.edu (Alan D. Cabrera) spooges:
>SUMMARY
>This is the Request For Discussion regarding the proposal to split 
>the newsgroup rec.games.netrek, containing discussion of the game 
>netrek.

This proposal was recently put forth by Mr. Cabrera on rec.games.netrek,
because he felt that the traffic in the group was too high, and because
one person complained that her particular team didn't get good press.

It was thereby laughed out of rec.games.netrek as being unnecessary, the
anti-split/pro-split post ratio being in the area of at least a 5:1 ratio.
The concensus was DECIDEDLY AGAINST the proposal.

Now, we get to do it all over again, but this time we get to annoy THIS
group, too.  Yay!

>The proposed groups are .announce .inl .programmer and .d.

Which weren't the same ones proposed by you to r.g.n, but who's counting?

>rec.games.netrek.announce (moderated)
>Announcements of new software, documentation, FTP sites, etc.
>Frequently Asked Questions lists may be cross-posted here.
>Urgent notices of serious bugs and their (short) patches.
Hmmm... wouldn't you think that the bugs/patches might go in .programmer?
Other than that, it sounds like about the only traffic in here will be
the FAQs.  Whoopie.

>Moderated by Alan D. Cabrera (adc@tardis.cl.msu.edu). If anyone 
>else is interested in assisting contact Alan.
Gee, nice of him to volunteer himself before asking if anyone else WANTED him
to be moderator, let alone "ASSIST" him in the matter.
NO ONE ASKED YOU TO TAKE COMMAND, ALAN, AND NO ONE EVER WILL.

>rec.games.netrek.inl
>Discussions directly related to the Intercollegiate Netrek 
>League, INL.
Heh.  I jokingly PROPOSED this and I don't support it.

>rec.games.netrek.programmer (moderated)
>Discussions related to the design, programming and management of 
>netrek servers and clients.
>Moderated by Alan D. Cabrera (adc@tardis.cl.msu.edu). If anyone 
>else is interested in assisting contact Alan.
Er... no.  Most of the traffic (except for the recent flurry of RSA and NBR
ideas and information, which contains an easily identifiable KEYWORD for
killfiling) has very little to do with this subthread.
Cute idea--bad implementation.
What happened to r.g.n.client, r.g.n.server, r.g.n.nbr, r.g.n.rsa, and the
other similar subgroups that were bandied about--or didn't they fit your
Master Plan[tm]?

>rec.games.netrek.d
>Discussion about netrek which does not fall into any of the other 
>netrek groups' categories. No articles should be cross-posted to 
>r.g.n.d and any of those other groups.
Or the Wrath of Alan will overtake thee and spank thee with a ruler.
By the way, what's to stop people from using rec.games.netrek.d as 
rec.games.netrek was used, and just posting everything there 

Folks, I wouldn't advise giving this loser the benefit of a reply, except for
the fact that he's self-righteously appointed himself The Official Authority
For What Should Go In Rec.Games.Netrek And How Much Bandwidth It Should Take,
and taken it to the extreme of posting here.
Hell, I barely recognized his NAME among the posters before he sent this
thread, and I tend to post 1-2 articles every day to r.g.n. 

His reasoning for the split?  "Too much traffic for him to keep up."  Well,
BIG, FAT, HAIRY DEAL.  It's not my fault that you have a fractured attention
span, too little free time, or a news server with long expire times.

While we're at it, let's see what some of the other responses to Alan
 look like...

horde@reed.edu (Mr. Heiji Horde) writes:
>Just a quick question...who died and made you GOD?
>Anyhow, where did this come from? I don't remember seeing and real discussion
>  of any sort of reorg in r.g.n recently. I'm mot sure if a reorg is really
>  needed right now.

palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane) writes:
>don't forget rec.games.netrek.trash.iastate
>         and rec.games.netrek.worship.cmu
A pair of joke newsgroups (though both representative of posting trends ;> ).
That's about how seriously I take the reorg offer, as well.

farrow@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (J. Scott Farrow) writes:
>Where on earth did this come from? I haven't seen a thing about it in r.g.n.
>Why would we need such a reorg in the first place? Traffic is just not that
>high. If you want traffic, go read comp.os.linux.

gdearing@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gregory D Dearing) writes:
>There was a little discussion on this about a week ago, but I thought
>the general consensus was that it was a silly idea.  Did I miss the
>relevant articles (200 unread articles in rec.games.netrek = ugh),
>or is he doing this on his own?
You didn't miss anything, Greg--ALAN did.  This is all on his own.

Gee, Alan, your supporters are just crawling out of the woodwork, aren't they?

Read my lips:
rec.games.netrek doesn't NEED a split.
rec.games.netrek doesn't WANT a split.
rec.games.netrek DIDN'T ASK YOU to call for a split.
rec.games.netrek doesn't really give a rat's butt WHAT your personal problems
	or dysfunctional USENet reading habits are.
I'm half tempted to counter-propose that all rec.games.netrek traffic be split
between rec.games.netrek and rec.games.netrek.armadillo.buggerers.  With the
sense of humor of most of the r.g.n. posters, I have a feeling that my 
K*nt-inspired idea might just pass instead. ;)

Don't take this to a CFV, Alan.  You're just going to be embarrassed.

I would marshal the forces of every netrek player I could find to help shoot
this idea down if it comes to a vote, except that I seriously doubt such vote
spamming would be NECESSARY.

Therefore, I propose:

*****

SUMMARY:

1)  That discussion continue as to the NEED for a split in rec.games.netrek 
before the particular subgroups to be created/not created would be decided upon.

2)  That someone <other than Alan Cabrera> decide at the end of the discussion
period whether any kind of workable consensus has been reached, and whether
a CFV is necessary on a rec.games.netrek.* hierarchy.

3)  That no decision towards who will moderate subgroups be made until the
need for subgroups, need for moderation, and discussion of each is complete;
and, at that point, that it be recognized that Alan Cabrera is NOT the 
implicit moderator/assistant moderator of such groups, but merely a possible
candidate.

Thank you
   and
good night.

				Jeff Coleburn, N.C. State
				a.k.a. Commodore Video Sex Pope [retired]					

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