HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nuke@reed.edu (Bill Newcomb)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] LD50's
Keywords: anonymous
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:59:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.041029.1560@u.washington.edu> ap.5433@cupid.sai.com writes:
>
>      I'm looking to put together a list of the LD50's of various legal and
>illegal drugs which are available today.  I have been able to get some out
>of the FAQ's but would like to contrast these figures to those of commonly
>used prescription drugs such as Xanax, Codiene, Phenobarbital, Valium, etc.
>Any information would be greatly appreciated.

1) Most of these values are available from the Merck Index, as well as the
Physicians Desk Reference, both available at your local university library.

2) It's not clear why you want these values. They are part of standard FDA
testing rigamarole, but often have little bearing on humans. These tests are
performed on manty different animals, which makes them hard to use for
inter-drug comparison. It might be a little more useful to compile a list of
therapeutic indices, which is the ratio of ED50 to LD50 (sometimes the ED
figure is higher, e.g. ED90), but the same caveats apply to any predictions
made for humans from these numbers.

3) Why did you post this anonymously? It is bad nettiquette to ask for posts
in order to compile a list, doubly bad to ask for such little bits. But
since you give no mailing address, you can't use e-mail feedback to compile
your list. Was the request really that risky?

Sorry to flame, but the s/n in this group periodically gets kinda low. Like
this posting, f'rinstance.

nuke
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From: bmasel@igc.apc.org (Ben Masel)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: HEMPing CLINTON/GORE in Madison
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:35:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1301300187:000:939
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!bmasel    Oct  1 18:35:00 1992


We took a hemp parade to the Clinton/Gore appearance at the
Wisconsin State Capitol today. Handed out almost 1,000 copies of
the flyer I posted to this group yesterday. Lots of signs. Thom
put "HEMP for VICTORY" in clinton's face before he left. "1 ACRE
OF HEMP = 20 BARRELS OF OIL" on local ABC & CBS stations. Watch
for it tonite on the National? One reporter told me there had been
a HEMP presence at about half the appearances since the Democrat
Convention. Mentioned a town meeting in Virginia where Gore
answered a hemp question "We're against drugs." I had a tangle
with Secret Service agents who told me i could'nt stand by
enterance to one of the press busses handing out leaflets. He said
"We own the streets." "I pay taxes here. I'm exercising my First
Amendment Rights!" His partner grabbed my ponytail, tried to throw
me to the ground. Shook him off. Madison police intervened, let me
continue leafleting til bus left.  Whew.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: are bowls legal?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:22:30 GMT

In article <0eoA3hS00UhW07L44w@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Aaron R. Miller" <am49+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>i know this has probably been asked many times before, but are
>bowls/pipes legal to sell?  there is a shop in down downtown pittsburgh
>that sells them aong with rock t-shirts, posters, buttons etc...  what
>other use is there to warrant their legality?  

Smoking tobacco.  Also cloves.  

If they didn't sell marijuana pipes at head shops, marijuana users would
either make their own or use tobacco pipes from tobacconists.

Bongs and crack pipes are not as simple to get away with, so they aren't
always available.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo)
Subject: Re: LSD FlashBacks?
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:16:21 GMT

ganz@resumix.portal.com (Jonathan Ganz) writes:


>My experience is this: LSD flashbacks exist and I have them all the
>time.  They are not the result of a bad experience and I guess I liked
>doing it, cause I did it more that several dozen times. The flashbacks
>are not annoying or dangerous, but rather fun and certainly interesting.
>I don't all of a sudden see pink elephants, but I do see walls breathing
>and people becoming lizard-like in appearenc. I find that latter 
>especially interesting when I happen to be in traffic court or taking
>a mid-term.

Okay....let me propose this :) It's all a matter of perception, looking
at things. During the trip you become attuned to new ways of looking at
things. I mean, the walls aren't really doing THAT while you're tripping,
you're taking old, pedestrian sensory input and doing something different
with it. Well, if you've learned that things like that can seem to be 
happenning, why wouldn't you attune to them, attune to the abnormal, in
everyday life. For example: An image will stay on your retina for a short
while (I'm being VERY non-technical with use of terms like 'stay on your
retina.' please understand this is for illustrative purposes only.) and
you can easily see 'trails' even when not under the influence of anything.
Well, since you're ALWAYS seeing trails, you may become attuned to them, 
and see them even when your brain has trained you for the past X years to
ignore them.
As for walls breathing, your visual system, while quite nice, is way 
imperfect. Your brain has always told you to 'ignore what isn't happenning.'
But since you've eaten acid, and have been trained to attune to the trippy
things going on around you, what's to stop you from attuning to them when
you're not under the influence.
Comments? Thoughts? Flames are unproductive, so don't bother.

--John Rescigno
Dept. of Psychology
Clarkson University
Nowhere, NY
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD recipies
From: Seth Malcolm Redmore <sr2s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:36:13 -0400 
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Actualy Howard, I think you have the saying backwards...
"A week in the lab will save you 5 min. in the Library..."

--Seth
(trying to figure out how tomake his newreader allow him
to work from other people's messages...)
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thursday, 24 Sep 1992 12:23:09 EST
From: <AERE6969@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: New Universe Discovered
 <1992Sep18.011547.18134@u.washington.edu>
 <1992Sep20.022611.3138@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>
 <1992Sep23.025452.18348@u.washington.edu>

     Gee, Lamont, after you're finished catering to all the future 'hippie
chemists' on the subject of LSD, I've got a favour to ask ya.
     I heard about this guy, Bill Shakespeare, or something like that.
He apparently wrote plays that are supposed to be good. Could you type out
his entire works and post 'em for me??? Please???
     C'mon, be a pal..............

RODENT.......@........RYE
From: bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Absinthe
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:18:41 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

>Re: Re: Absinthe
>By: tdm #0 @ecl.psu.edu USEnet      
> 
>> Absinthe is a tincture of Wormwood mixed with an alcoholic beverage,
>> traditionally anisette.  It was popular in the 19th century in France 
>> among poets and other bohemians--Rimbaud blew his mind from it; he was
>> an imbecile by his twenties because of absinthe abuse.  (Dead by his
>> thirties.) 

What a load.  He was never an imbecile; he stopped writing poetry
in his late twenties but his letters up until his death show he
still had all his marbles.  He just didn't see any reason to write
when no one read his poetry.  He died because he was poor most of
his life and malnutrition and poverty broke his health.  He
suffered from a number of endemic ailments, none of which can be
linked to absinthe abuse.

>> The effects, I hear, are basically narcotic (like codeine) with some
>> minor psychedelic effects.  However, wormwood is toxic.  The toxic dose
>> is not much more than the dose at which any effect happens, so it is
>> dangerous.  Absinthe became illegal for good reason.  I would advise 
>> you to stay away from it.

There was apparently a study done by French doctors that debunked
the wormwood brain-rot myth.  Yeah, it's toxic, but they concluded
that the chronic absinthe user was more affected by the alcohol
than the wormwood.  They concluded (and France was where absinthe
was used most widely, not the US) that absinthe addicts were just
dreamy alcoholics.  
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 03:53:59 GMT

In article <OLDMAN.92Oct4122649@titan.ucc.umass.edu> oldman@titan.ucc.uma
s.edu (Tig Stone) writes:
>I saw a pin back in my hometown that was your standard "War On Drugs"
>paraphenalia, but altered a little bit.  It said:
>
>
>   JUST SAY N O
>             2
>
>(It doesn't quite get the total humor across when you draw it out on
>ther terminal.  But it was a "Just Say No" pin with a "2" put in
>between the n and o as a subscript.
>--
>Tig Stone 
>(oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu)


 Sounds anti-WOD to me...

St. Anthony

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From: dwdyer@polari.online.com
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: hair tests (was re some gun shit)
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:35:04 GMT
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)

procha@titan.ucc.umass.edu (PAUL ROCHA) writes:


>crail@nevada.edu (DONNA CRAIL-RUGOTZKE) writes:
>>Recently I applied for a job at a local casino (I live in Las Vegas) and they
>>had a large sign over one of the windows saying that all employees would have
>>to submit to a "hair test" in order to be tested for drugs.  Can anyone tell
>>me what a hair test is and how accurate it is?  Also would certain brands of
>>soap or shampoo give a false positive?  Thanks in advance.

>Your welcome.  I find it really hard to believe that they would be testing
>all of their employees to a 'hair test'.  These tests are VERY expensive. In

Yes indeed, VERY expensive.  Youc can take this cost and tack it right on to 
the product or serivce the company provides.  Useless expense, I say.  (Unless
the IRS will allow the company to write off this waste.

>the lab that I worked in (As a Network Manager, not as a Chemist) they were
>charging upwards of $200 for this process.  Not only that, but they would only
>be checking for one particular drug at the time. I seem to remember that 
>cocaine was the most common, if not the only, drug they checked for.  The
>process consisted of dissolving the hair in a solvent, and then running it
>through the GC/MS.  At least, that is what I picked up from conversations from
>the Lab Manager.  I'm not a chemist, but I play one on TV <GRIN>.
[...]

I -am- a chemist, but I don't play one on TV :-)

I did read in a publication for analysts how some method I can't recall was
suitable for evaluating the effects of various shampoos on the efficacy of
the test.  I thought RIA (radio-immunoassay) was the way these were done, but
GC/MS seems reasonable too.  (I analyze fish guts and dirt for metals, none of
this loathsome business, so I have no "insider" knowledge.  Wish I did, tho.

-- 
                 Wayne Dyer --- dwdyer@polari.online.com  
  "I mistrust all systematizers and I avoid them. The will to a system
      is a lack of integrity."  -Nietzsche, _Twilight of the Idols_ 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ap.5623@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] Mushrooms...
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.5623@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:41:05 GMT


I've been curious for quite a while about Mushrooms -- and there seems
to be very little discussion about them here -- though there's plenty
of discussion of LSD.

I'd like to hear any reports from people who've taken them -- I'm
particularly curious about any after-effects... ie, physiological or
psychological addiction, "flashbacks" (if there are such things!), or
anything else you can think of!

Just generally trippy stories would be cool too!

Thanks!
B.

ps. Very annoying that the WoD prevents factual information from
getting out, and makes us all rely on word of mouth -- never the best
source, as anyone who's played "telephone" can tell you!

pps. I can take anonymous replies at apb.2981@n7kbt.rain.com



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From: am49+@andrew.cmu.edu (Aaron R. Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: are bowls legal?
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:25:49 GMT
Organization: Junior, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

i know this has probably been asked many times before, but are
bowls/pipes legal to sell?  there is a shop in down downtown pittsburgh
that sells them aong with rock t-shirts, posters, buttons etc...  what
other use is there to warrant their legality?  the shop is owned by hare
krishna.  might that make any difference?

just wondering

aaron miller
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: zane@ddsw1.mcs.com (Sameer Parekh)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] testing
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:28:20 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
Keywords: anonymous

In article <1992Sep28.082211.14518@u.washington.edu> ap.5452@cupid.sai.com writes:
>
>	I'm testing the trouble wither dollar signs:
>
>	5 (25 dollars)
	$25 (25 dollars)
>	25 (25)
	25 (25)
>	,343 (5,343 dollars)
	$5,343 (5,343)

	That was me-- sure as hell seems like the character after a dollar sign
and the dollar sign itself are lost.
-- 
Sameer_Parekh zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM zane@infopls.chi.il.us
PFA related mail to pfa@ddsw1.MCS.COM   | Specialization is for insects
Anonymous mail to ap.2363@cupid.sai.com |   - Robert A. Heinlein
Mon Sep 28 20:22:59 1992 US Debt: $4,076,054,014,536 Per capita: $15,955
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] Controlled Substances
Keywords: anonymous
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:49:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.204024.22388@u.washington.edu> ap.2187@cupid.sai.com writes:
>        Well, here's the complete list of controlled substances
>as contained in the 1992 Sigma catalog.  I'm not a chemist, so I
>can only accept responsibility for transcription errors.  Net
>chemists please check this over and comment.

Needless to say, this is a list of the controlled substances which Sigma sells,
which is not the same as a list of all controlled substances.

Shulgin has just come out with a 1992 edition of his compendium of
DEA controlled substances as reflected by their publication in the
Federal Register.  It's startlingly expensive: $60.  I got mine at
Cody's in Berkeley.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: duve@ellis.uchicago.edu (michael andrew duvernois)
Subject: Re: Mescaline- question
Reply-To: duve@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:17:23 GMT

In article <BvCopI.ArM@acsu.buffalo.edu> v094px3a@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Brian Mauger) writes:
>>Hey there- a friend of mine is one of those nature-freaks (you know the type)
>>8^) and interested in doing mescaline, but hasn't been able to find any info on
>>it.  He is curious as to what mescaline is made of, if it's a derivative of
>>something, and what the affects are.
>>A FOAF told me that the effects are similiar to acid,but not as harsh (esp the
>>crash) and that mescaline was a peyote derivative.  Is this true?
>
>Mesecaline comes from several varities of cacti, including peyote.  It CAN be 
>synthesized, but I'm not familiar with the procedure.  The alt.drugs FAQ has
>some good info on mescaline, and the Natural Highs FAQ lists a place which 
>sells various types of cacti.  
>
>From what I understand, the effects are similar to acid, but I have no 
>experience from which to speak.  I'm not sure about the "crash" you mentioned
>form acid, though. Its never happened to m-my friends, yeah, that's the ticket!

In regards to the effects of mescaline, it is more of a "surface-effect"
drug than LSD.  Delusions and altered perceptions of real objects and 
actions rather than hallucinatory objects and acts are common.  People
using mescaline (in moderate doses) can usually concentrate well enough
on the physical world to function even while under its influence.  Lectures
on quantum mechcanics can be greatly enhanced, and perhaps even made more
understandable, after ingesting some peyote.

Anyway, have fun.

Mike

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: hughes@gary.enet.dec.com (Gary Hughes - VMS Development)
Subject: Re: BSD?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:07:45 GMT


In article <60871@mimsy.umd.edu>, tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes...
>     BSD? Well, it's this flavor of Unix, see, and...
> 
>      "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX.
>      We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
>      -- Jeremy S. Anderson

But we do beleive it to be wrong.

Unix of course came from Bell Labs and LSD from Sandoz, neither of which are
located at Berkeley.

Who is this Anderson person anyway? He would probably be in line for 'meme of
the year award' if there was such a thing.

gary
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:00:49 GMT
Organization: Microdata Oy

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>The most recent New England Journal of Medicine has a study of lower
>fertility in dental assistants due to the effects of nitrous oxide exposure. 

   Considering the current population situation, I really don't see lower
fertility as a bad thing in general. If it's not permanent, it means
nothing, IMHO.

>anesthesia probably isn't a big deal, but a lot of work has gone in to
>developing systems so that operating room workers who are there every day
>are not exposed to even low levels of the gas for the aforementioned reasons.

   What's wrong with simple ventilation?

>There is every reason to think that regular recreational use isn't such
>a great idea.

   Depends, of course, how regular it is. Daily recreational use of ANY
substance is probably not a great idea.
--
Jani Heinonen                    "Tonight when I chase the dragon,
jah@mits.mdata.fi                 The water may turn to cherry wine
Finger for public PGP key         And the silver will turn to gold
E-mailed upon request             Time out of mind."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Alli, Leary, Lilly, ...
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:20:33 GMT

>someone requested "how to get in touch with Tim Leary" not
>to long ago. I got to thinking that there are probably several
>explorers that 'alt.drugs' contributers would enjoy corresponding
>with (or meeting). so here's a list of a few interesting folks.
>
>Antero Alli

I probably should have used the anon. service not to show my
ignorance, but what the heck ;-).  Who is Antero Alli?  The name looks
Finnish.

//Jyrki
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:44:26 EDT
From: <SXL136@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Why use drugs anyway?
Distribution: national

Even if they do decrease the life span by a degree, so what? I think
Jimmy Page said it best: "It's better to live one year as a lion than a
thousand years as a lamb"    ;-)

Direct all flames to:

Sean LeBlanc

-The century's getting old; it needs new tribes.
   Clive Barker, In the Flesh

Xref: sparky alt.drugs:16431 alt.folklore.urban:24517
From: jcollier@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Ethereal high.....
Date: 30 Sep 92 04:19:37 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: University of Melbourne, Australia

In <1992Sep29.183748.25712@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:

>	I think the brain and liver damage that solvents such as ether 
>and glue quickly cause is, at least in part, the cause of their unpopularity.

I don't know why you include ether here. The solvent ethyl alcohol is
probably more dangerous on both these counts. There are dangers from
using ether, mostly the result of it being highly flammable, and it is
breathed. Also, it is easier to take a fatal dose of ether than alcohol.

>They also can make one feel awfully sick, which is no boost.

The _smell_ of ether often makes me feel ill, but alcohol sometimes
has the same effect on me (memories of past hangovers?).
-- 
John Collier 			Email: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   61+3 344 7959
Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052
From: ron@cs.tamu.edu (Ron J Theriault)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: WoSD as Ethnic Cleansing
Date: 26 Sep 92 19:28:44 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University

WoSD as Ethnic Cleansing

   After watching the ethnic cleansing occurring in the territory
of Yugoslavia, it occurs to me that the war on some drugs here,
is but our version of it.  Over there, those of the incorrect 
ethnicity are burned out of home and possessions, and sometimes
killed.  Over here, those who use incorrect drugs are robbed of
home and possessions by RICO statutes, and many times jailed.  
We haven't progressed to the killing stage yet, but there's plenty 
of time and cultural hatred to lead to it eventually.

   I have long felt that the WoSD was really a cultural war, 
specifically a war on 60's culture, which was decidedly less
materialistic than that of the drug bigots.   What is a culture?
Beads?  Ethnic foods?  Ethnic dances?  Hardly.  A culture is 
defined by its central organizing principle, in many cases
language and history, but in the case of the 60's culture, 
psychoactive drug experiences.  Specifically, cannabis, LSD, & 
psilocybin.  Users of other, harder drugs were tolerated as part
of this culture, but were not central to it.

   Those who have a modicum of real knowledge of psychoactive drugs,
do not have to be reminded of the arbitrariness of the prohibition of
certain drugs on 'medical' grounds.  Those who were raised on the myth 
of the United States as a free country, do not have to be reminded of
the un-American-ness (not to mention un-constitutionality), of 
ethnic & cultural intolerance.  


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: caseypa@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (P. A. Casey)
Subject: Re: Nicotine extraction from tobacco?
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:16:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.183755.29962@netcom.com>, howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey) writes:
> 
> I have heard that one pack of cigarettes has enough nicotine to kill you
> almost instantly if it is all ingested at once.  The merck index lists
> the LD50 of nicotine for rats to be 50-60 mg/kg.  
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
> Howard Berkey						howard@netcom.com
> Do what keeps thou from wilting shall be the loophole in the law.
> 
> 

I once heard that the nicotine in a single cigarette is enough to kill you.  I say leave the stuff in the cigarette.  But then I like living...


Peter <<<Killer>>> Casey
Newsgroups: alt.drugs