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From: Ted.Ketcham@f6.n346.z1.fidonet.org (Ted Ketcham)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: RE: Freedom of speech
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 22:59:34 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:346/6 - Macs BBS, Spokane WA

I read Topping's original diatribe, but was unable to determine exactly what
inappropriate postings he was alluding to over on K12SeniorChat.  Curious, I
took a random tour there, and found nothing particularly objectionable, which
I must admit, was a bit of a dissappointment, given Frank Toppings' promise
that there were evil doings being done.
 
Seriously, Frank, if you still lurk here, or Gordon, or Ken, are there
pedophiles making inappropriate suggestions in Sen.Chat?  As someone who will
ultimately try to convince administrators that this BBS stuff is the best
thing to happen to education since the invention of recess, I'd like not to be
surprised by controversy.  I know administrators who have dedicated their
careers to avoiding any decision that might get them criticized.  It crossed
my mind, as I read Frank Topping's posting, that had I been "touring" K12Net
with one or two of our district's less courageous decision makers, we'd be
pretty much finished at about that point.
 
So, for those of us who work in districts that rank "freedom of speech" a
distant second to "freedom from conflict," what's the story?
TWK


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From: Joan.Fitton@f120.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Joan Fitton)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Greetings
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 11:19:54 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/120 - SpaceMet Internet, Amherst MA

BB>Do you not think it would be more appropriate to use the Math Educations Channel?
 
I think you are referring to a greeting that I left on the Chat Channel
almost a month ago. At that time there was a request from a teacher
doing a demonstration on telecommunications . This was a presentation for
the district and he had asked for a few messages to be left in the chat
area about the various ways that teachers are using telecommunications.
What you read was my brief message telling these people how I personally
use this entire network.
 
I didn't receive your first message about Worcester, England. I have
visited there but it is some 3,000 miles from my home of Worcester, MA.
However-we pronounce it exactly the same.
 
I noticed the New Zealand address. I hope you are enjoying your holiday
from school. 
 
Joan Fitton   Primary math Facilitator   Worcester MA Public Schools


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From: Kevin.Thompson@p2.f600.n774.z3.fidonet.org (Kevin Thompson)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Re: first message
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 21:51:56 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:774/600.2 - Beast MKII, Rotorua

 > Hello everybody !!
 >

Hello Patrick.  Good to hear from you.

 > My name is Patrick ; I am a teacher of languages (English-Dutch)
 > in Belgium at Izel-sur-Semois (south of Belgium - French
 > speaking part) and this is my first message on k12.TCH CHAT
 > !! My students are 15-18 years old and we are looking for
 > contacts all over the world. Please send me an answer just
 > to see that my call has been heard somewhere!!
 
I am a teacher of science and computer studies in New Zealand.  I teach at Rotorua Lakes High School, in Rotorua, N.Z.  We have just set up K12 in our school, so in 1993 we will be looking at using it and contacting others around the world.
 
The students we have are from age 12-13 (Form 3) up to about 17 (Form 7).  It is new years eve here, and I have just downloaded your message. 
 It arrived here!!
 
Regards,
Kevin



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From: Cindy.Cole@f152.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Cindy Cole)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: pen pals - exchange of information 5/6 class
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 16:32:34 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/152 - SpaceMet North 2, Greenfield MA

She:Kon Kwe Kwe
    This greeting is Mohawk for a great big hello.  My class has been trying to work on the bbs since September.  kjWe have had ups and downs and ups and downs and during each of these interludes we have lost the interest of some of my students.  We have some diehards and they are my core group and do most of the trouble shooting.  My local sysop will be coming to look at my system this weekend and hopefully this will clean up a lot of the problems the system has had.  I am from the state of Massachusetts 
130 miles inland from the Atlantic Ocean.  The school skies at the local ski area when our break is over for the month of January until February break.
                                        Sken:nen
                                        Mohawk for Peace


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From: Kevork.Krozian@f369.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Kevork Krozian)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: reply2
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 15:16:52 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:633/369 - City Limits BBS, Boronia Vic

can you hear me?


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From: Carol.Hooper@f64.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Hooper)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Happy Holidays
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 11:04:39 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/64 - Academy K12 Net, El Paso TX

Happy Holidays to all my K12 Friends!


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From: Jan.Stevens@p3.f505.n770.z3.fidonet.org (Jan Stevens)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: pen pals - exchange of information 5/6 class
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 12:33:43 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:770/505.3 - Southern Vortex, Dunedin

 We would be keen to communicate with you. My kids are aged between 11 & 12.WE start back at school beginning of February. If you agree to communicate Id really like it to be very commited so kids are not disappointed.


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From: Donna.Ransdell@f1311.n202.z1.fidonet.org (Donna Ransdell)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Apathetic parents..
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:58:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:202/1311 - The Education Stati, Poway CA

Any teachers have a solution to the apathetic parent problem?

I teach Kindergarten. Traditionally, it's fairly easy to get parents to do things this early. This year's class, however, is another story! It started with just "getting" a room mother. The only volunteer for room mom turned out to have religious feelings against holidays and holiday parties, so we decided to find something different for her to do. I get few volunteers to come and help in the classroom with parties. When I send home notes asking for donations for parties, it's like pulling teeth to get thi
ngs donated. (I am pretty certain that part of that has to do with the economic situations of the families involved.) Last night, however, was the biggest disappointment: we had our Christmas program, and 50% of my class of 30 did not come. Two had religious reasons (understandable), the rest...????? We sent the notes home in both English and Spanish so we know they could get the message.

I would start to get a complex, and believe it to
be me, but I feel certain it is not as I've never had this trouble before!!!

Any solutions greatly appreciated!!!! Thanks!!!


                                       -donna


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From: Ken.Blystone@f104.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Ken Blystone)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Eagle BBS Online
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 12:05:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/104 - EAGLE BBS K12NET, El Paso TX


Eastwood Heights Elementary school announces the addition of the Eagle BBS to the K12 Network.  Bob Schulte, school principal, is sponsoring (as a node of origin) a TRACE echo to support teachers and schools using the trACE program.  Eastwood Height Elementary recently was awarded a $160,000 grant to support computer technology at the school. For more information please contact Bob at 1:381/104.  Thanks!


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Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher,misc.education
Subject: Re: Postings
From: ftoppin@eis.calstate.edu (Frank Topping)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 10:39:42 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

Good to see Rob, Helen & the whole k12.council finally scrambling to
clean up the conferences.  ...sad to say it took really climbing on you
to get you all in there helping out.  ...but it's about time.

ftoppin@eis.calstate.edu (Frank Topping) writes:
> Rob.Reilly@f218.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Rob Reilly) writes:
> > Hello Haris,
> >  
> > We need to "talk".  You need to confine your postings to the chat echo that is appropiate to you.  Posting in all three kid's chat echos is not appropiate, an as I have mentioned in another message the temperment of your messages needs to change.
> >  
> > -Rob Reilly-
> >  K12Net Council of Coordinators
> > 
> > 
> > --  
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> 
> 
> ...nothing that "unified logon agreements" wouldn't cure Rob.
>  
> You're _failing miserably_ at "after the fact" cover-up.
>  
> Frank
>  
>
From: Helen.Sternheim@f109.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Helen Sternheim)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: GREAT news!
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 06:32:34 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/109 - Pioneer Valley PCUG, Amherst MA

In a message of <18 Dec 92 21:10:34>, Chris Rowan (1:3820/83) writes:

 CR>I have a question for you:  If you had $7,000.00 with which to purchase 
 CR>computer hardware and peripherals, what would you get?  Imagine you 
 CR>already have one modem-equipped IBM AT 386 with a dot matrix printer in 
 CR>your classroom.  Remember:  You can purchase whatever you want, as long 
 CR>as it is HARDWARE.
 CR>        
You might think about adding a CD-ROM reader.  You might also think about a  
486 with a large hard drive.  A laser printer certainly is a nice thing to  
have. 



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From: Carol.Hooper@f64.n381.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Hooper)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: re: If you had $7,000 to purchase computer equipment for your classroom
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 10:41:49 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:381/64 - Academy K12 Net, El Paso TX

The overhead projector interface would be my personal dream come true 
and the first thing I would buy with the money.  However, there's no 
doubt the CD ROM is a real keeper.


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From: Andre.Rombauts@f2206.n293.z2.fidonet.org (Andre Rombauts)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Postings
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 20:00:46 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 2:293/2206 - Teachers' Forum, Fleron

 > Good to see Rob, Helen & the whole k12.council finally scrambling to
 > clean up the conferences.  ...sad to say it took really climbing on
   ^^^ amongst the Mbytes of messages in K12net - and taking into account the very large audience- very few are to be "cleaned up"... And this is done regularly by the various moderators.

.]I[. Andre Rombauts, Zone 2 moderator.


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From: Sheila.King@f315.n103.z1.fidonet.org (Sheila King)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: FOR JACK CRAWFORD (SUBJ. 
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 11:09:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:103/315 - Castle of the Four , Diamond Bar CA

Louis,

Just an aside. In a note to Frank Topping you said:

-> (Although seen from this side of the other big pond, I even wonder if
-> your messages reflect Californian reality)

I assure you, he does not.

Sheila King
coming to you from Diamond Bar, CA (in Los Angeles County)
                                                                                                        

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From: Syd.Sellers@f928.n153.z1.fidonet.org (Syd Sellers)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: RE: I need files...
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 17:46:44 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:153/928 - The Hogs Hollow BBS, Tsawwassen BC

In a message to Mac Users written on Sunday, December 20, 1992 at 10:18:00
PM, John Rappold writes:

JR>      The BBS we are setting up at my school will offer support for       <
JR> MS-DOS, MAC,                                                             <
JR> and AMIGA systems.                                                       <

Well, I have a lot of files down here, even CD's full of them for the Mac that 
is... Give us a call at 604-948-0272 and we should be able to get your HD full 
of all kinds of mac utils and Educational stuff..
Syd Sellers   Sysop of the Hogs Hollow BBS for Mac Users..


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Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
From: gwhiting@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Ginger Whiting)
Subject: Re: ASSERTIVE DISCIPLINE(LEE 
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 02:58:12 GMT

Jane Whitten (Jane.Whitten@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org ) writes:
> Thanks for the info. Yes I would love to know more. What I'm interested in 
> is the positive points and the negative points of the program as others have 
> used it. I am also interested in how others have adapted it to suit the 
> different situations. It is also interesting to see it used in the elementary 
> grades. 
> Jane Whitten  Bridgewater, Nova Scotia, Canada Todays Temp -11c
> Thanks again Sheila looking forward to hearing from you!
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I have been using Lee Canter's Assertive Discipline for the
past four years.  I began teaching in 1972 and have always had
good displine. I use Canter's program consistently in my second
grade classroom with major success.  I believe the reason that I
have so much more parental support is the consistent use of the
program.  Parents know that all of my students will be treated
with the same consequences, the same due process.  They know that they will be
made aware of any problems as they develop.  There are no
surprises.  Everyone appreciates the positive reports home.
And most important the program forces its true users to focus
on the positive things that happen during the day instead of
the negatives.  Let's face it, in an academic world where we as
educators are always hearing through the media what we do wrong instead of what
we do right, it is easy to fall into the habit of being
negative ourselves.  Using Lee Canter's program has made my
job more enjoyable.

I would be glad to provide specifics of my use of program to anyone
who is interested.
Ginger Whiting
<gwhitingvode386.vak12ed.edu>
	
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From: Graham.Gales@f369.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Graham Gales)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Reference
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 22:09:22 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:633/369 - City Limits BBS, Boronia Vic

Thanks for that ... I llook forward to hearing from him ...
.
Mery Christmas ...


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From: dsilveri@mwc.vak12ed.edu (Dennis E. Silveri)
Subject: Re: first message
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Fredericksburg)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 01:53:28 GMT

Patrick,

I am middle school science teacher at Lake Ridge Middle School
in Woodbridge, Virginia.  I happened to see your message on
12/21/92.  I am also new to this type of communication, and am
attempting this response to see if it gets through to you.
Please respond if it does get to you.  Have a very merry
holiday season!

Dennis Silveri
From: Barbara.Holl@p0.f118.n138.z1.fidonet.org (Barbara Holl)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Canadian Social Studies
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 08:47:25 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:138/118.0 - Keithley Komputer K, Tacoma WA

I teach Computer Technology to K-6 students. In January, I would like on 
e of our sixth grade classes to begin a project with some sixth grade 
students and teachers in various parts of Canada.  We have received a 
grant from a local foundation and need to begin as soon as possible. We 
will concentrate on Social Studies, Geography, Cartography, Economics, 
History/Government, and any special topics on which students and/or 
teachers should decide.  If there are any teachers who would like to 
participate in this project, please contact me ASAP.

Barbara



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From: John.Rappold@f30.n279.z1.fidonet.org (John Rappold)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: I need files...
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 22:18:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:279/30 - Dawson-Bryant High , Huntington WV

     The BBS we are setting up at my school will offer support for MS-DOS, MAC, and AMIGA systems.

     While there are plenty of MAC users in our area, there are no local BBS' that offer MAC files. What we are looking for as we start are:

Utilities/Archivers
QWK Readers/Editors
Hypercard Educational Stacks

     I have a PowerUser 9600 V32 Modem, and would like to find a BBS that I can freq files from. I hate to sound like a "leech", but I just don't have anywhere else to turn. We really need a lot of software.

     Thanks in advance to anyone that can help.

John Rappold-Sysop DBHS NET


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From: Helen.Sternheim@f109.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Helen Sternheim)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Chips
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 15:44:41 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/109 - Pioneer Valley PCUG, Amherst MA

In a message of <22 Dec 92  10:06:00>, Edward Dunagin (1:226/540) writes:

 ED>Hello Chris, you said in part......................

 ED>     386. Make sure you have a 14450 chip for the hi speed modem
 ED>     connections. It's either on the Mother board or the modem board.

Do you mean a 16550 chip? 



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From: Helen.Sternheim@f109.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Helen Sternheim)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Work sheet 1
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 23:47:03 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/109 - Pioneer Valley PCUG, Amherst MA

(c) 1992, Helen Sternheim
SpaceMet/5C5E Project
PO Box 740
Five Colleges, Inc.
Amherst, MA 01003
FidoNet 1:321/110



Name__________________________________                              July, 1992


                  Telecomm Activities for 5C5E Participants

    See the telecomm staff if you need help with any of these activities.

            PART I - Bulletin Menu, Main Menu, and Message Section

1.  Once you log on, you will see the bulletin menu.  (If you have not
previously logged on, you will have to complete a simple questionnaire.)
Select 5 (Five College/Partnership Events).  Make a few notes on events you
might like to attend.

________________________________________________________________________

________________________________________________________________________

2.  Go to the Message area from the Main Menu by entering M.  Using the A)reas
command note all the bulletin board message areas.__________Check

3.  Next go to message area 1, the General Conversation area.  Use I)nquire to
find a message from Helen Sternheim or Helen Sysop to 5C5E Participants.
Write the message here.

________________________________________________________________________

________________________________________________________________________

________________________________________________________________________

4.  Go to one of the 5C5E project message areas. (PT, WT, ET or ST).  Find a
message that sounds interesting using the L (List) command.  ______Check

5.  Leave a note in one of the 5C5E project messages areas (see #4) to someone
in your research community (participant or staff).  Use the R)eply or E)nter
option.  Type in the message, then save it.  ________Check

6.  Go to the Main Menu.  Select U)ser and find a user with Mary as part of
her name.   List a few here.

_______________________________________________________________________

________________________________________________________________________

________________________________________________________________________

7.  Go to the Help Menu by entering  ? .  Use it to find out what happens when
you choose  C)hange.   _________Check.

8.  Get out of the help option by typing a 0.  Find out how long you have been
on line today by entering S)tatistics.  Go to message area #2 and enter a
message to Helen Sternheim telling how long you have been on line.
_____Check.




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From: Mort.Sternheim@f109.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Mort Sternheim)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: GREAT news!
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 15:34:23 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/109 - Pioneer Valley PCUG, Amherst MA

In a message of <18 Dec 92 21:10:34>, Chris Rowan (1:3820/83) writes:

 CR>I have a question for you:  If you had $7,000.00 with which to purchase 
 CR>computer hardware and peripherals, what would you get?  Imagine you 
 CR>already have one modem-equipped IBM AT 386 with a dot matrix printer in 
 CR>your classroom.  Remember:  You can purchase whatever you want, as long 
 CR>as it is HARDWARE.
 CR>        

It's important to understand what your objectives are.  Do you want more  
capacity?   Then you might opt for additional machines.  You can get very fine  
486 systems for 1500 or less.  Do you need better printed output?  Then a  
laser printer is attractive.  A cd-rom for about 400 will let you access huge  
amounts of material that can be had at relatively low cost.

 



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From: Peter.Macinnis@p0.f508.n711.z3.fidonet.org (Peter Macinnis)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Greetings from Down Under
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 14:08:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:711/508.0 - The Bay, Neutral Bay NSW

;rep:111,4220

SL>Now, perhaps you could advise as to the true pronunciation of "lieutenant"?
SL>;-)
Having once been one, I found that the senior WO's usually pronounced it
"horrible little pain in the [mumbled possible expletive?].  As these
people have been in the Army for many years, this is, I assume, the
traditional pronunciation.

peter




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From: Suzy.Payne@f70.n147.z1.fidonet.org (Suzy Payne)
Newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher
Subject: Libraries
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 00:41:14 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:147/70 - The Teacher's Pet, Oklahoma City OK

One suggestion on one computer and a lot of students.  We can upload an ASCII file and attach it to a message.  That way a class of students can communicate with a basic word processor that saves in ASCII format then you can upload the messages.  That way very little on line time is used.

I have very successfully used this with middle school students ages 11 -14.  I agree that vague pen-pal messages are a bit weak.  Our age students love surveys.  Hope this has been a bit of help.



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