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From: lindae@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: XPost "Thank You"
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:34:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

From: Russell.Coombs@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Russell Coombs)
Date: 26 Sep 92  01:53:00
Message-Id: <Fredgate.717709850@fquest>
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: In Response
To: lindae@netcom.com

Just wanted to thank you for your post,it has been a great help I am sure to
quite a few people,the safety tips and the tips on what to look out for and so
forth that I have read from time to time.If just a few good honest people read
the tips and things to look for,they could identify a child being taken or a
child that may be abuse,again as Marv has already stated to you if only one
child is helped out of a bad situtation then its well worth it.
Thanks again for your support..
                  Russell Coombs       Co-moderator.  
 
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: confused@cwis.unomaha.edu (stephen richard smith)
Subject: MISSING IN NEB.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:32:27 GMT



There has been two abductions in the Omaha/LIncoln area in the past few 
weeks  no. 1> Kenyatta Bush age 17 a senior at North HS. in Omaha has 
not been seen since she went to her car in the school parking lot.
on sept 23 at 8:30 am. Her car was found a few blocks away.
She is black about 5'6"short black hair wears glasses that have red 
plastic rims.
2>canice "candi" harms 18 freshman at univ. ne. lincoln was last seen leaving 
boy friends house to return home to her parents house on sept 22 at 11:40 pm
she is white also about 5'6" with blond hair no further discription.
her car was found on a deserted country road about five miles from lincoln
police have ruled out the boyfriend as a possible suspect.
  Both of these cases may have possible links to the following
>Mary Cronin 27 Omaha last seen april 2nd. car  also found on country road
between Omaha and Lincoln.
>Tamara Haas 19 Yankton S.D. last seen on sept 19 in S.D.>>>unfortunatly
she has been found--dead in a ditch on a counrty road near Croften Neb.
no further info has been released on this case.
>Tammy Zywicki 21 last seen on her way to school in Grinnel Iowa. she also 
was found dead in southwestern Missouri
 any info on Any of these cases can be given to the F.B.I which is currently
conducting all the investigations on these cases.or call the Nebraska/Iowa
 state patrol. 
--
From: lindae@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: XPost "Re: Frustration..."
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:44:43 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

From: Hal.Gould@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Hal Gould)
Date: 25 Sep 92  03:08:00
Message-Id: <Fredgate.717709855@fquest>
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Frustration...
To: lindae@netcom.com
Status: OR

LI>Well, I just felt the need to vent that frustration... so there
LI>it is...

LI>Thanks for listening...

I can understand the frustration.  I feel such frustration for those
parents whose children have been abducted, are still missing, etc.  It
would be so much better to know what the situation is, even if it meant
knowing the child was deceased.  But to simply not know if the child is
out there somewhere...it must be tough.

Hal
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: confused@cwis.unomaha.edu (stephen richard smith)
Subject: Re: MISSING IN NEB.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:56:13 GMT

Another posssibily related case. About three weeks ago(today is10/1/92) 
a 17 year old girl with out of town plates on her car had a flat tire on
interstate 80 in Omaha she was atacked by a man who attempted to force her
She fortunatly was able to fight him of.
We now have a possible description of the perpitrator:
White aprox 50-60 yrs old drives a dark color chevy nova-- ON the day that
the girl from north HS. disapeared this car was seen speeding in the same 
general area. The witness said he saw a girl in the passenger seat matching the
description of the girl from North HS. screaming for help and looking terrified
IT should be noted that this person reported this to police before there was
any report made public about this case.
If you have teenage daughters that will be traveling through NE. or IA please
make sure their cars ar in good working order. Make sure that they are familiar 
with the route they will be takeing. This person/s seems to be atracted to 
teenage women and all of them (we think) had stoped on the side of the road
for one reason or another.If your children should be have to stop make sure
that they stay in their cars and waite for the police.
--
From: lindae@netcom.com
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: XPost "Re: In Response..."
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:43:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

From: Julia.Sidebottom@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Julia Sidebottom)
Date: 26 Sep 92  12:42:57
Message-Id: <Fredgate.717709854@fquest>
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: In Response
To: lindae@netcom.com
Status: OR

I just read your hear retching plea for safety of our children.  I too learned
a long time ago to go with my "gut feelings" on abuse. I was fortunate enough
not to lose a child to death, but the life long devistation will stay with me
forever.  It is often difficult to go with thes gut feelings but I know that
most often they are "right" and action should be taken.... and these feelings
have proved "right" on several occassions since my own experience... and
several children that I have come in contact with have been rescued because I
"chose" to become involved...
  My first experience with an abducted child ended in tragedy when the child
was discovered cut into pieces in a man's freezer 10 months after she was
abducted from a tent where here family was camping on a summer vacation.
She appearantly was not his only victim.  I have a niece that has been "gone"
for more than 20 years now without a trace.  Though I believe she is still
alive, there is no way of knowing.  My own children were abused and divorce was
the only option that I had to protect them and not lose them to the overload of
the system. (I dont regret the decision to protect them).
  Since then I have seen and spoken  to many children in need of protection and
do not hesitate to help if I can... and my door has always been open to kids in
need.  One little girl, the daughter of a physician, was removed from her home
on the day of the report. I went to the principle of the elementary school she
attended and he took care of the reporting. the child remains in protective
custody because there was no doubt that she was being sexually abused by her
father.  He skipped state during the middle of the night with his wife and 6
other children to escape prosecution... and the state where he is no residing
has not cooperated in extradition proceeding, so he goes untried... but the
child is safe...
  There is nothing we can do to undo the pain you have suffered at the loss of
your son... and I will hold you in my prayers.  But there is something we can
do for the future... reporting should be done with caution as the system is far
from perfect but as long as this is the only avenue, I would rather be the
criminal for making the report or being the accussed parent (as happened when
my own children were abused) and live with this than see one more child
destroied or killed. Or see this grief that you so painfully have had to
endure....
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
From: beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!cs.utexas.edu!souther (Art Souther)
Subject: Re: Native peoples and their ecosystems
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 17:55:24 GMT

Original-Sender: cs.utexas.edu!souther (Art Souther)

>Original-Sender: Alan McGowen <hpindbu.cup.hp.com!alanm>
>
>>
>> Original-Sender: Grosvenor Pollard <asnuah.asn.net!UAHEBP01>
>>
>> Original-Sender:  cs.utexas.edu!souther (Art Souther)
>>
>> > ... What steps can we take to assure viable ecosystems and viable native
>> > cultures, and to what degree can these steps be mutually reinforcing?
>>
>>      I think it must be admitted that there are ecosystems and native
>> economies which have lost, or are in the process of losing, their
>> viability...
>>
>[...]
>>      Neither we nor the natives themselves can do anything to stop or
>> reverse the destruction of the ecosystems they occupy and the economies
>> they have developed as adaptations to their habitat....
>> ....
>> If I sound cynical, I think I am being realistic.
>>

Or rather fatalistic.  A healthy realism would recognize that other possible
systems are realistic as well, and are practiced in the small in many
places even today - mostly by native cultures.

>Alan McGowen <hpindbu.cup.hp.com!alanm> continues:
>
>I don't believe it is necessary to adopt such a defeatist attitute quite
>yet. There are a great many things we can do to oppose this....
>
>
>That's *YOUR* consumption at work.
>If we can do nothing "to stop or reverse the destruction
>of the ecosystems" it will only be because we fail to face that fact.
>

I agree.  If we continue to insist we are powerless to effect change
in the system at the same time that we engage in a level of
consumerism which sustains it, then we are no more than hypocrites
tacitly accepting the status quo.  The degree of denial I have
encountered on this issue is boggling.  The rich cannot sustain this
massively destructive culture and economy alone - their numbers are
too few.  They depend on a materialistically drugged middle and lower
class.

>"Nobody was more wrong than he who thought he could do nothing because he
>could do only a little."

Amen


Newsgroups: alt.native
From: beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!prism.gatech.edu!kt6
Subject: Re: Bush and Clinton - NA policies.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:02:14 GMT

Original-Sender: prism.gatech.edu!kt6

        Assuming that the information on President Bush's position is an
attempt to influence voters, I would like to suggest that this is not
enough information for judgement.

>Bush's Record:
>
>November, 90:  Bush "pocket vetoes" a bill to give preference to Native
>American companies in some Federal grants and contracts.

        I would like to suggest that this bill would be in direct violation
of having so-called quotas for job employment.  This bill could be
interpreted as racial discrimination.  Is it not true that you should not
give racial, religious, sexual,... preferance for job employment?

>16-JUN-92:  Bush vetoes bill allowing several Sioux tribes to continue a suit
>against the US government involving compensation for lands.

        I just want to suggest that there is not enough evidence here to
pass a guilty verdict on Bush.  I would think that more information on the
case would be required for all the readers to make their full individual
evaluation for Bush's decision.  It could be possible that the
representatives for the Sioux tribes do not have honest intentions or may
not have proper authority.  I just want to point out that there may be some
unknowns or justifications that we at this point in time do not know.


Kevin M. Torres  	       	       	(404) 853-9269
Research Engineer       	      	internet: kt6@prism.gatech.edu
Georgia Tech Research Institute 	       	       	
Centenial Research Building Room 493
Atlanta, Georgia 30332

[I will post access information for an FTP site from which position
papers and speech transcripts for both Bush and Clinton, including
statements on Native issues, can be requested.--mkk]

Newsgroups: alt.native
From: gnosys.svle.ma.us!andrea (Andrea Majewska)
Subject: Mohicans
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:59:49 GMT

Original-Sender: andrea@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Andrea Majewska)

    I was wondering if anyone out there has anything to say about Last
of the Mohicans.   I'm planning to go see it with great trepidation.
As I understand it, the love interest in the story has been switched
from Uncas (the Mohican) to Hawkeye (the Anglo scout/hero).  My
recollection of the original is that it was about an 'impossible'
interracial romance between the British officer's daughter and Uncas.
Obviously he can't be allowed to survive after thinking himself the
possible equal of a white woman, and dies nobly, going to her rescue,
leaving his father as the last Mohican.  (Tragic story involving
'tribocide' - not perpetrated by the whites, but by another tribe. I
hesitate to use the word 'genocide' in that context.)  In the
original, Uncas is portrayed as a true 'noble savage'.  Better
educated and more genteel than most of the backwoods type whites in
the story.  For his time, Cooper was very sympathetic and open minded,
although a strong strain of racism remains, especially when he talks
about the "bad" Indians.  Magua, the Iriquios villain, is depicted as
a regular devil incarnate.
   You can imagine why the trepidation.  I fear it will be just a
costumed love and adventure yarn, stripped of all social commentary.
We'll see.  I'm surprised that none of the reviews I've read have
mentioned the plot change.  I've been quietly wondering if any of the
reviewers ever read the original.

Andrea

[For those with access to Usenet, the newsgroup
"rec.arts.movies.reviews" has several reviews of this movie.--Jay]

Newsgroups: alt.native
From: beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!anchor.esd.sgi.com!lyn (Lyn Dearborn)
Subject: Re: NativeNet Chat's Direction
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 02:22:31 GMT

Original-Sender: anchor.esd.sgi.com!lyn (Lyn Dearborn)

In Reference to Peshe's comment on direction, and a more specific list:
> It's not impossible to set up a list focussed primarily on North
> American Indian concerns (nn.amerind or a more separated list) but
> it would be most helpful to have assistance with some of the
> technical details from the nn list moderators.

One of those critical "technical details", if we want to rely on Gary's
earlier suggestion of .... oops, this message says it was Mary Kuhner ...
that we rely on private messages.  What a great idea,
	BUT
	WE
	DON'T
	KNOW
	WHO
	WE (amerinds)
	ARE?
except for the ones who "speak out" ... of which there are very few.  Would
it be outrageous to "poll" us to see which of us wants their name on a list
of Native Americans along with email address (& perhaps even tribal affilia-
tion) which would be circulated to those who wish to be in contact with
each other?  Private mail in an undefined interim of limbo while researching
the possibility, likelihood, etc. of a list as Peshe suggests, but ONLY
if we know who to write to, correct?  There are many "silent" natives on
the net, who have never "spoken out" for numerous reasons when squabbling
begins, yet they have contacted those of us who have the courage to say
what is in our hearts even though it may leave us open for criticism from
the non-Indians (I refuse to say Europeans).

Lyn

 Let no one tell me that silence gives   | Lyn Dearborn
 consent, because whoever is silent      | Naturalist/Person
 dissents                                | dearborn@anchor.esd.sgi.com
	 Maria Isabel Barreno





Newsgroups: alt.native
From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Subject: Archive and retrieve documents via FTP
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:51:44 GMT

Progressive FTP Site Seeks Submissions

Greetings.

I manage two mirror-image ftp sites that archive materials from
progressive groups of all kinds:  newletters and journals, essays
from individuals and groups, position papers and polemics, and other
relevant documents.  Generally no breaking news stories, since they
have more limited value over time, although historically relevant
items are welcome.

If you are a member of an organization that could use archival
storage space for anonymous public access to your documents,
please send me a message and I will arrange to add a directory
for your materials.

If you are an individual wishing to submit an essay or other single
file, please just send it and I will add it to the essays directory.

Use of the site is free of charge, and regulated only inasmuch as
copyrighted items cannot be submitted without permission from the
copyright holders.

The first site is:  ftp.css.itd.umich.edu -- this server is a fast
Sun workstation, with all the political files contained in the 
/poli directory, stored as plain text.  Files may not be uploaded
to this machine, though downloading will be faster from it.

The second site is:  redspread.css.itd.umich.edu -- this server is
an experimental Unix workstation running 386BSD v0.1 on a 386/40.
All files are also in the /poli directory, compressed in the Unix
"compress" format.  There is also a directory "/incoming" to which
users can submit files via ftp.

For those of you interested in submitting files to the site, but
without access to ftp services, you may mail your submission(s)
to me at: pauls@umich.edu.  You may also direct any queries to that
address.

Paul Southworth                    |     ftp redspread.css.itd.umich.edu
Consulting and Support Services    |        Anonymous Political Archives
Information Technology Division    |                     100% 386BSD 0.1
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor  |  Coming soon: mirror of ftp.eff.org

  <Representing myself.  Everything I say is for educational use only.>

Newsgroups: alt.native
From: zedaker@next07wor.wam.umd.edu (Pamela Marie Weller)
Subject: Re: Indian Boy Suspended from School for Wearing Long Hair
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:27:52 GMT

In article <Sep.28.13.59.12.1992.8566@remus.rutgers.edu>  
clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
> >From clari.news.interest:
> 
> 	MESQUITE, Texas (UPI) -- The school district in Mesquite, near  
Dallas,
> has temporarily suspended an Apache Indian boy from kindergarten school
> because he wears his long hair in a braid in the traditional American
> Indian style.
> 	> 	Long hair is an integral pat of the cultural and religious  
beliefs of
> traditional American Indians, said Barbara Ash, an administrative
> assistant at the native American Rights Fund in Boulder, Colo.
> 	``For many Native Americans, the only time they cut their hair is
> when they're in mourning. It's not insignificnt,'' she said.
> -- 
	It is so unbelieveable to me that these sort of things still occur  
in the 1990's.  When will the persecution of Native Americans end?  Why is  
this happening?  Why??!!!

				Pam
Newsgroups: alt.native
From: Paula Wagoner <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!ucs.indiana.edu!PLWAGONE>
Subject: Re: inclusion, exclusion
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:13:14 GMT

Original-Sender: Paula Wagoner <ucs.indiana.edu!PLWAGONE>

I would like to add my two cents on the issue of exclusion &
inclusion thread.  I wholeheartedly agree with Guillermo Delgado's
remarks that the "sharing of info is an on-going activity, it is
a process of re-cognition."  In fact, when I had the opportunity to
participate in the Tribal Lands Conference at Smith in 1989, I became
aware that the issues that involved Plains Indian people in Montana,
South Dakota, and my beloved Wyoming...the ones I was becoming so
narrowly focused upon, were issues that affected the Samis, the
Malaysians, the Kinniks in Brazil, the Australian aboriginal people,
Canadian Crees, and Alaska natives.  I was able to "re-cognize"
a much broader and far more subtle system of inequities which only
go unnoticed when one is being chauvinistic by focusing solely on
one's own backyard.
   While I am not fool enough to believe that global inequities will
be solved by little old me, I do believe that it is dangerous to
ignore strategies developed by others from which I can freely draw
upon and seek to use here.  We really are all in this together, you
know?

Paula

Newsgroups: alt.native
From: <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!tamvm1.tamu.edu!VALPO.bitnet!ACC_DTW>
Subject: Bush and Clinton - NA policies.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:57:00 GMT

Original-Sender: <VALPO.bitnet!ACC_DTW>

        I thought it might be interesting if some mention of the two
Political candidates positions on Nativ American issues were.  I was
sent the following two items on Bush, stuff on Clinton would be harder
to find but would be of interest I would think.


Bush's Record:

November, 90:  Bush "pocket vetoes" a bill to give preference to Native
American companies in some Federal grants and contracts.

16-JUN-92:  Bush vetoes bill allowing several Sioux tribes to continue a suit
against the US government involving compensation for lands.


                -Dan Williamson

Internet: acc_dtw@exodus.valpo.edu
bitnet:   acc_dtw@valpo
From: rand@skyview.bison.mb.ca (Randy)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Nanabush
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 14:27:40 CDT
Organization: Compu Team Systems BBS



<       These stories about Nanabush or Nanabazho were related to        >
<       Dr. Elizabeth E. Cass of the Indian Health Services by Indian    >                                                             >
<       friends on Manitoulin Island in Lake Huron.                      >


Publicated in "The Beaver Magazine Of The North" (winter 1963) by The
Governor and Company of Adventurers of England Trading into Hudson's Bay,
known as the Hudson's Bay Company.

        NANABUSH

        The great spirit, Manitou put the Indians to live on Manitoulin
        Island, and he said that no thunder, lightning, nor evil spirit
        would harm the inhabitants as the water would draw them away.
        Manitoulin is the Island of Manitou, but the chief mythical
        personality about whom all the Indians talk is Nanabush, sometimes
        a god, sometimes a devil, sometimes an ordinary mortal, and often
        a mischievous child. The stories about him are legion for he has
        many sides to his character; lovable, Rabelaisian, lazy and a
        rascal, the Indians can always get a laugh out of his doings.
        Almost as famous as himself is his old "granny," who lived with
        him, is the butt of his jokes, and for whom he has some kind of
        affection.

        NANABUSH AND MANITOU

        Nanabush seems to have been with Manitou when the world was created,
        and it was Nanabush's task to allot the animals the food they should
        eat in the world. To the Bear he gave the honey and the berries;
        to the Squirrel the nuts; to the wild Boar the arcorns; and to the
        Deer the grass, and so on. But as is always the way he could not
        please everyone: and the Rabbit was furious because the Deer had
        been given the grass and he had wanted it; nothing else would
        satisfy him. He stamped with his hind feet in fury, and protested
        angrily. Finally Nanabush became annoyed and bored with this
        importunate Rabbit, so picked him up by the ears, still squealing
        and furious, and he said to him, "Rabbit I am tired of this; I
        am going to throw you in the air, and the plant on which you land
        shall be your food." He swung the Rabbit round, faster, and faster
        and then let go, and the Rabbit flew up in the air, and then fell
        down plop, right in the heart of a cabbage, and that is why Rabbits
        like to eat cabbage.






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