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From: sbit37@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Paul Gould)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 27 Aug 92 09:12:49 GMT
Organization: The University of Liverpool
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Swamp Thing (sara@castle.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
>idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>>Or encourage people to get xv, a very nifty editor/reformatter/viewer for
>>images.  Runs beautifully on my Irides.  It's available for ftp from
>>somewhere or other - archie can find it, but my machine is down for an
>
>It is actually on doc.ic's server, now let me see, it's src.doc.ic.ac.uk
>isn't it?  Picked it up for yon wee Paul Crowlie one time ... should get
>it for myself I guess.

In /pub/graphics/X11/contrib I think. Well worth the effort of getting &
compiling. 

>Sara

Paul
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Subject: Gov't harrassment (was Re: Quayles meet Usenet)
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:30:25 GMT


Ellen Clary writes:
> Yes but branches of the Canadian Gov't (as opposed to the media)
> do some harrassment (not sure about the fear-mongering.)
> 
> There was a Canadian queer publication (whose name escapes me - 
> anybody remember?) that had to shut down around 1987.  They
> were citing gov't harrassment and threat of prosecution as
> the reasons.

I believe the RCMP had their fingers into something like that a few
years back.  Recently, that information came to light and the RCMP
had their hands slapped. :)

But in other news, yesterday it was announced by the Ontario Human
Rights Commission that upon someone's death, a motss SO can collect
that person's pension (government pension only I believe).  This
ruling has effectively changed the definition of "family" in
Ontario and in the Ontario government.

Also, I heard that the United Church of Canada was voting on whether
or not to perform same-sex marriages... did anyone here what the
outcome of the vote was?  For those who don't know, the UCC permits
homosexuals to become ministers (I believe they're the only one in
Canada that does).


Cheers,

    __o     Brad Booth              | "If somebody feels really good
  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  about who they are, they don't
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  feel threatened by what other
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |  people are." - Dr. M. Rubenstein
From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: Cool Spots for Bis (Was the War Between Us
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:27:05 GMT

In article <1788v8INNhhu@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> ELAINE@brownvm.brown.edu (Elaine M. Brennan) writes:

Elaine, commenting on sara quoting me quoting her quoting me quoting her quoting Pearl (*):
|ah hah!  I figured that eventually *somebody* would tell me the *real*
|story of the hot tub!

    Yes, but not today ;-)
                  __
    david parsons \/ orc@pell.chi.il.us

(* Yes, this is the condensed version of a cascade...)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: PlayGirl
From: matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:55:58 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

In article <18076@acorn.co.uk>, osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
> In article <1992Aug25.110612.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu>
> matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> 
>>In article <18018@acorn.co.uk>, osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>>> Incidentally, while I was paying for my lunch I noticed a bearded bloke pick
>>> up a copy of The Sun, PlayGirl and a Slimming Magazine. Made me just a wee
>>> bit curious :-).
>>
>>	Stop being curious and go get your own, Owen.
> 
> Actually I was curious about the bloke, not what's in PlayGirl.
	Oops!  Then I stand/sit/lounge corrected, Owen!  (Yes, you may
choose the position that I am corrected--what fun!)  Sorry!
					--Matt
-- 
Matt Chatterly             | "How'd you get hand lotion all the way up there?"
(A blatant pseudonym...)   | "I told you I spilled it...."
Matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu |		--from _Young Lady Chatterly_
From: zen@death.corp.sun.com (d)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: This Weekend
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:31:01
Organization: savage hackers
	<5993@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>
NNTP-Posting-Host: death.corp.sun.com
In-reply-to: zzaascd@meehpa.ee.man.ac.uk's message of 2 Sep 92 13:21:51 GMT


In article <5993@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> zzaascd@meehpa.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente) writes:
> In article <ZEN.92Sep1114133@death.corp.sun.com>, zen@death.corp.sun.com (d) writes:
> [...]
> |>   I prefer to think that muffy and I collect nice people, but I guess
> |> it's a two (or three or four or...) way street.  *grin*  Yeah, mike's a
> |> prince of a guy.  Maybe a queen of a guy?  Anyway, he takes a nice
> |> photo.  Muffy and him look *really* good together.
> So rub it in, why don't you?  Mike and Muffy were gonna help me convince
> my straight friend that I was really bi by means of a snog-in.  Of course,
> a slight matter of several thousand miles is rather preventing this... :-(

  *grin*  Well, let me tell you... if you ever get the chance... having
both of them snogging with you would not only convince anyone that
you're bi, but probably make them wish (or convince them) that they were
too!  (Memory *shiver*)

> Ho hum.  Give Mike a *hug* from me next time you see him (please).

  Will do, but now he's thousands away from me, too.  Travelling guy
(bi?), ya know.

 -- d
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: 101 ways to tackle sexual harassment?
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 16:18:13 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) wrote...
>
>Perhaps some of the women here might consider collecting smart come-back
>lines and other suggestions for ways to respond to sexual harassment.
>Such a list might well be of practical use as well as being empowering.

Didn't some columnist come up with some really good lines?
Anyone remember such a thing?

Along the lines of carrying an Uzi might be:
Carry a large scary looking knife with the words 'Castrating Bitch'
printed prominently on the hilt or sheat.

Or you could say:
You know I wonder what your voice would sound like 3 octaves higher.

Or even:
I have this pet shark who justs loves doing fellatio...

>[some of Ciaran's quotes]
>>What type of sexual experience do you find more enjoyable?
>>Heterosexual or homosexual? And if you prefer one over the other, why?
>Yes.

<giggle>  Well it seemed like the obvious answer...

><> My eccentricity doesn't come from my bisexuality.
><> --- David Parsons (orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu)

It comes from trainspotting.

>Another thing I am doing is trying to think of as many (impractical)
>ways to come out as bisexual as possible. While this is an exercise in
>humour, I also find it empowering. 

Oh very much so.

Occassionally I'll wear "I like girls" and "I like boys" badges
at the same time (wasn't in a terribly politically correct mood 
when I bought them).  A reader will see one of them first, adjust to
that, then see the other one and usually will do a mental double
take.

I also have my badges up on a wall, so visitors usually go over and
read them anyways.

But you wanted _im_practical.

>o Start a chain mail letter which says "<Your name> is bisexual. Please
>send a copy of this letter on to 10 other people, otherwise you will
>experience bad luck in the near future."

Or, please send a copy of this letter to 10 other people or otherwise
<Your name> will proposition you.

>o Record a message on your telephone answering machine which says
>"Sorry, I'm not in at the moment. Please leave a message after the beep.
>Alternatively, you might try contacting me at the Bisexual Social
>Group: 756-8290."
        ^^^        (A Cal Poly prefix - interesting conincidence)
		   (I would suggest using 555 as an example prefix
		    but that only works in the usa.)

"Sorry I'm in the middle of <male name> and <female name>.  I'll call
you back when and if they stop licking me."


You could borrow other GL tactics.
Stickers:	"A bisexual was here"
		"Bis are everywhere.  Even here."
Make sure you put these stickers everywhere you go.  In toliets, 
restaurants, schools, churches...

Stamping "Bi <currency name>" on paper money.


But back to impractical...

Arrange for all queer's skin color to turn pink or lavendar.
You could even have gay's turn one color and bi's another,
or varying shades of lavendar (though this runs counter to
X% motos attraction + Y% motss attraction = 100% bi)
May sure this happens suddenly overnight.

Ellen
From: cjohnson@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Objectification (was Re: Sexual Harassment)
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:59:40 GMT
Organization: Cow Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA

rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) said...
>[about looking at people in different ways]
>
>I do think that my way of looking at women (and men :) has changed since I
>became queer ... along with my way of looking at a lot of other different
>things ... 
>
>It's weird ... I'm a lot less physically attracted to people these days ...
>I mean, before I was bi, I would look at certain men and think "Hmm ...
>they're attractive."  I'd look at certain women, and think "Wow ... I could
>do things with her ... "
>
>These days, it seems like I see highly attractive persons and think "Hey ...
>sie's pretty attractive."  Period.
>
>It's sort of like, rather than looking at people of both genders as sex
>objects, I've stopped looking at anyone as a sex object (I think).
>
>And I'm much more attracted to nice people.
>
>I wonder how other bi men have had their perceptions of women changed by
>this.

[Not a bi man, but i want to reply anyway...]
Seems that the main change in how i look at people has come about after 
having been in situations where i _could_ have sex with anyone in the 
room, simply by asking (or looking so baby-dyke adorable that i get asked).

Having experienced that, i now look at people less as sex objects, and 
more as potential partners or friends... rather than "sie's cute...
wonder what sie's like in bed", i think "sie's cute... wonder if sie's
read anything by Edward Abbey" or something.

Seems like if i can have sex with anyone i want, the focus moves from
what they would be like in bed to how i would relate to them, in and out
of bed.

Of course, there is a lot to be said for objectification :^)
-Coe
-- 
cjohnson@nyx.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: lbspodic@usthk.ust.hk (Spode, God/dess of Chaos)
Subject: Re: PNW (Seattle) mini-con straw poll
Organization: Hong Kong University of Science and Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:41:04 GMT

Awwwwww, darn!  I don't think I can make that trip twice in the same year.

But seeing Nelson again would certainly be a temptation... <grin>

-Spode
From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Scottish jokes (as in, jokes that only work in dialect...)
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:34:19 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <1992Aug26.205231.14506@cbnews.cb.att.com>, eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans) writes:
>   Back in WWII, a recent English recruit was quite worried about his 
> pending assignment to France.  Not speaking the language, and all,
> he was worried about how to ask for food and such from the natives.
> So he went to his Scottish friend for advice, his friend having just 
> returned from the area.
>   "It's verra simple, me lad.  Say you want an egg--you say "urf", and 
> she hands ye an egg."
>   "Well, what if I want two eggs?"
>   "Och, then ye say "twa urf" and ye gie the silly auld wifie one back!"

This is wonderful. I can't resist posting a similar bit, by Chaucer, from
his prologue to Eneydos (1490) where he bitches about how hard it is to
translate dialect into dialect:

And that comyn Englysshe that is spoken in one shyre varyeth from another. 
In so moche that in my dayes happened that certayn marchauntes were in a
shippe in Tamyse for to have sailed over the see into Zelande. And for
lacke of wynde thai taryed atte forlond and wente to lande for to refreshe 
them. And one of thym named Sheffelde, a mercer, cam into an hows and axed
for mete and specyally he axyd after eggys. And the goode wyf answerede that
she coude speke no Frenshe. And the marchaunt was angry for he coude speke no
Frenshe, but wolde have hadde egges; and she understode hym not. And thenne
at laste another sayde that he wolde have eyren; then the good wyf sayd that
she understod hym wel. Loo! what sholde a man in thyse dayes now wryte,
"egges" or "eyren"? Certaynly it is harde to playse every man bycause of
dyversite and chaunge of langage.

[NF Blake, "Caxton's own prose", Deutsch, 1973, ISBN 0 233 96475 4, p.79]

///Peter
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Big numbers
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:31:55 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:

>*blush* I've eaten it all...

Greedy guts.  

>Anyway, I'll be on the registration desk at UEA at then, so I'll have
>to wait until you arrive.

Oooh goody, you can register me any time, dear.  Just leave some of
those nice yummy hot bi babes and studs for me, you hear?

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
From: cjohnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:30:39 GMT
Organization: Cow Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA
Keywords: *DeFlower* ME will you...

orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) said...
>sara@blkhole.resun.com (Sara Hopkins (Swamp Thing)) writes:
>|orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
>|>  david parsons \/ "That's three trips where trainspotting lost big."
>|Hey come on, you saw at least, oh, three trains ...
>
>    I don't know if "There's One!" from a car at speed on an adjacent
>highway counts....

Now i recall elsewhere you said BART travels beside the freeway at freeway
speeds... At least one of those BARTs you saw was going quite a bit faster
than the current freeway speed, as we were almost standing still.

And also, i know that you saw at least one Amtrak - doesn't that count?
[for those who don't know, but i'm sure Orc would be happy to enlighten 
you about, Amtrak is a passenger train]

Eeeeek, don't call me a trainspotter now!
-Coe
-- 
cjohnson@nyx.calpoly.edu
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Cracker crumbs and where to put them
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:40:22 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <1992Aug27.170900.49566@ccvax.ucd.ie> pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie
(Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) writes:

>Doesn't *anybody* here have a foreskin?

Well mine was removed shortly after birth, for medical reasons. I had my
very own inbuilt condom. Trouble was, pissing could have been a bit of
a problem so they solved it in the most obvious way - remove the whole lot
rather than get inventive.

Owen.
From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 25 Aug 92 11:45:03 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <5880@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, zzaascd@meehpa.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente) writes:

> Ho-hum more for the MI6 file...  Then again, given the, errr..., proclivities
> of most of the British secret service, they'd just prove my eligibility for
> employment (I was even a Harrow schoolboy*)

Damn. I lived there for 5 years 1979-84. Mind you, you may have been gone bi
then...

Me? Warwick School. Now see who demuffins :-)

///Peter
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: 75furlong@cua.edu
Subject: Re: TV-TS Newsgroup?
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:50:14 GMT

In article <15.2aa6c6e3@ptown.UUCP>, annie%ptown@ivgate.omahug.org (Annie) writes:
> I've been seeing a lot of suggestions for a TV/TS group, and they
> basically fall into two categories.
> 
> 1. Create a normal soc group, such as soc.gender or something, using the
> usual call for discussion and call for votes. This seems to be similar
> to the creation of soc.bi last year. As anyone can see, soc.bi has
> become very active and is quite a "respectable" group (if there is such
> a thing).

for the record, there is already a soc.gender.issues, which is never used. (i
was subscribed to it for a bit until i realized that no one was posting)

-alison
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Hello everyone!
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:22:57 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <la4siqINN8ff@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>
fishnets@soulsteppin.Corp.Sun.COM (Spanky) writes:

>After reading soc.bi for a coupla months now, I decided that it was time
>to take the plunge and de-muffin.  Everyone here seems like an extremely
>nice group of people, and I wanted to get in on all the hugs ;^) 
...
>Thank you all for being such a friendly bunch! 
> 
>Emily  

Hey, didn't I see you on rec.arts.bodyart at one point? I remember
someone commenting on your "fishnets@soulsteppin" email address.

Owen (somewhat of a muffin on rec.arts.bodyart, but posts some junk
occasionally)
From: sr09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SIMON NICHOLAS RUSSELL)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Dialects
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:50:47 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


>>My policy is the opposite of Peter's (and Ciaran's, with whom I
>>have also had this discussion recently): I favour the phrases
>>and speech patterns (and spellings) that I learnt as a child
>>over the Americanisms that I hear around me all the time and
>>which constitute the bulk of Usenet postings.  I think it's
>>more interesting if people are talking and writing in
>>different, mutually intelligible dialects.
>
>But Broad Yorkshire (tm) is so difficult to spell!
>
And, I found, completely unintelligible to non-northerners a lot of the time.
When I went to the University of Kent (I think I was the "Token Northerner"
there) it seemed that quite a few people had difficulty with my vowel sounds.
Over here things are worse--sometimes I cause my students much
confusion/hilarity--and I can't use ANY quaint Northern expressions.

>Owen - a northerner through and through; just wait while I start using
>all my quaint expressions on you.
>
One of the favourites of my past was something my great aunt Kate used to ask
every time she saw me after I got to be around 13/14 or so.  She would demand
of me "IS'T THA' COURTIN', LAD?" causing me no end of distress (I inevitably
wasn't--and didn't need to be reminded of the fact).

So, Owen, which part of Yorkshire?

Simon.
-- 

***************************************************************************
* Simon Morgan-Russell    "I love to lie o' both sides o' th' bed myself" *
* SR09@LEHIGH.EDU          Middleton & Dekker's "The Roaring Girl" (1608) *
***************************************************************************
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: And the saga continues
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:15:53 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <1992Aug28.023517.4096@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>
pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:

>sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) wrote...
>>Yes, I've gone from pale white to pale cream.  Not too much of me is
>>bright pink any more ...

Sara was demonstrating her suntan at Norwich. It's the classic British
suntan ie. she had to take her watch off and show the white patch under the
strap before we believed that she even had a suntan.

Owen.
From: dfavor@logan.tivoli.com (David Favor)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: the "oh" experience
Date: 24 Aug 92 13:11:55 GMT
Organization: TIVOLI Systems, Inc.

>But doesn't this air of mystery, with many people, turn into something
>dark after a while, as they imagine their spouse in sexual situations with
>a third party? For many - especially if the relationship hasn't matured in
>terms of trust and dependability, it WILL play on their minds untill it
>starts to become something destructive.

for most I imagine this to be true... perhaps if our education included
the thought that each of us is unique and our differences are what make
us individuals this situation would arise infrequently. there was a time
when I was struggling with self acceptance. I was told to consider that
a crysal ball is beautiful, but boring and uneventful. it is the same on
all sides. whereas an ordinary rock off the ground was interesting because
of its irregularities. for me, "imagining my spouse in sexual situations
with a third party" has only positive conotations. I doubt very seriously
that I can supply all my wifes... multi-dimensional needs for the rest of
our lives, so I consider any other lovers she takes as a strengthening
agent for our relationship.

unfortunately she is unable to get past her childhood programming that says
taking other lovers is a Bad thing. this puts a tremendous strain on our
relationship because I am one person. Kathy and I can address many of our
conjoint needs, but some of our needs simply go unmet. I think it very odd
that our culture places monogomy on a pedestal and that by engaging in...
monogomy "trust and dependability" result... sigh... my observations are
just the opposite. it appears to me that the period of time we live in
may render monogomy at odds with cultivating "trust" and self knowledge.

it seems that our neural nets have become so rich with information that
trying to satisfy all our needs through one person ends in distrust and
undependability. by forcing a relationship into a monogomous mould and
relegating... other forms of sexual style to imagination trust seems to
become a very fragile construct. if, within a monogomous relationship, one or
both parties are absent because they are fantasizing about being with others
what becomes of trust? and what if during love-making one or both people
are so lost in fantasy that they are unable to connect with their lover?

your post was very useful for me. the image of "becoming dark after a while"
got me to thinking about the darkness that results from repressing the natural,
unhindered unfoldin of our sexual nature/style. I wonder if I will ever be able
to get past my childhood programming enough to get an idea of my own sexual
style? ah well, perhaps I'll get to know myself (instead of my programming)
over time.

... David

"The point of the journey is not to arrive... Anything can happen..." - Rush