HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr)
Subject: Re: Kesey's back!
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 06:52:22 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <gayjtpg.rcain@netcom.com> rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>Yeah, I was recalling the Stanford scene from ancient reading.  I thought
>for certain that Kerouac showed up there but...  No, I'm real sure it was
>mentioned in one of Kesey's recent books. The strange one with the red
>cover. 

"Demon Box," which is only somewhat autobiographical.  I've
read a couple of Kerouac biographies and I don't recall him ever
visiting La Honda or partaking of the Kesey Prankster scene.  He
was certainly in various parts of the Bay Area (visiting Cassidy in Los
Gatos, visiting Gary Snyder in Berkeley and Mill Valley) over the
years, but very little past the time Cassidy hooked up with Kesey
(his time at Ferlinghetti's cabin in Big Sur which resulted in the
novel of the same name being an exception).  You got to realize--and
this is important alt.drugs stuff as it pertains to the history of
the 60's counter culture--that by the time the 60's were heating up,
at the birth of the mass culture movement spawned by the Beats, the
man demonized by the Establishment as the one who caused all the
trouble, Kerouac, was forsaken by the major Beat figures, his closest
friends.  Kerouac was pounded in the press all through the 60's
even though he had almost nothing to do with Ginsberg, Kesey, Leary,
et al.

You are right about Ginsberg.  There was a famous Ralph that was
part of the scene though I think. Anybody remember what Ralph that might be?

Depends on whether you count Ralph "Sonny" Barger, President of the
Oakland Hells Angels.

>According to Wolfe, Neal died of a heart attack from speed while counting
>railroad ties.  Fiction?

No, I think it was barbituates.  The reason it has been suggested
that Cassidy might have killed himself is that despite decades of
drug use he made the classically stupid error of combining alcohol
and barbituates.  Even then it was Mexican medicine that killed him
as he was still alive when they got him to the hospital.  Wavy
Gravy says in "Test" that when Cassidy shifted to barbituates after
years and years of taking speed, he totally crashed.  In the last
picture of him alive, he looks like a man staring out of his
grave.
    "Testi]" abmh~?~?t
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From: dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Input sought on drug legalization: detection/
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:15:04 GMT
Reply-To: dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Organization: North Carolina State University

alexc@yang.earlham.edu (Sperminator) writes:

> On his way 
> home, he stopped at a stop sign, and noticed that he was beside a police 
> car.  as he stopped, the bike fell over, onto the cop car.  He was given a 
> dui under the VA state law that a bicycle is a motor vehicle.

Why is that a "stupid" DUI arrest? A bicycle IS a vehicle, and the operator 
has to obey ALL of the traffic laws on the public roads, just like every 
other vehicle operator. Bicycle operators are not exempted from obeying 
stop lights, signs, reckless operation, etc., so why should they be 
exempted from obeying DUI laws? 
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From: drumm@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: DO SOMETHING!
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:08:17 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:


> /* Written 12:44 pm  Apr  8, 1992 by christic in cdp:christic.news */
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When you receive it, take 10 minutes to circle your favorite selections,
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for WoD material.)

You'll be helping to spread the anti-WoSD message, and getting your 
state to support the Christic Institute at the same time.  

-- Danny   (Two points for us :)


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From: wix@west.darkside.com (Doktor Avalanche)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Asset Forfeiture and You
Keywords: RICO, Asset Forfeiture, Drugs, Money
Date: 6 Apr 92 06:44:47 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Elizabeth Kupfer) writes:

>            Well, the powers that be evidently can detain a person until he
>  (oh, so graciously) agrees to give up his cash or "make a donation".  What
> would keep them from detaining someone until he agreed to sign and hand over
> that traveler check?


This is not what transpires. There is no graciousness about it. It is 
asset SEIZURE. There is no agreement.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: SHROOMS...POT...AND THE CONSTITUTION
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 21:24:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

We had a lot of discussion of that here last month.  The upshot seemed to
be that no the constitution does not give the federal government the
power to do that. The US constitution is no longer worth the paper it
was written on.

The US constitution on the other hand does not make it an inalienable
right either and the states can pretty much do as they wish within their
respective constitutions as regards substance control.

There are justifications of the federal laws based on the fact that it is
the only way to control interstate commerce.  However the liquor prohibition
repeal ammendment seems to explicitly prohibit them from doing this as
regards liquor.  Neither ammendment, I believe, mentions alcohol and I
think there is an opportunity here to overturn the federal laws by opening
the interpretation of "intoxicating liquor".  Not that that would do
a lot of good.  The fed would just extort the laws it wants from the states 
by witholding federal funds until they pass the laws they want.  There 
ought to be a law against extortion!
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
From: jsattin@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Justin A Sattin)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Tv and it's influence.
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:51:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <ktlaebINN9hc@phakt.usc.edu> pechever@phakt.usc.edu (Paul Echeverri) writes:

>I think we can all
>see that TV, were it (alert: wishful-thinking mode ON) responsibly programmed
>with decent stuff to watch, would be a valuable resource.

Be careful here--who decides what is "responsibly programmed" or "decent"?
Your point is clear and I agree with it--t.v. is just a medium. However,
we can't fall into the trap of fighting hard just to replace "their" agenda
with ours, no matter whose agenda is "right".  We would be no better then them.

_______________________________________
Justin Alan Sattin
jsattin@eniac.seas.upenn.edu

"Leges Sine Moribus Vanae" - Laws Without Morals Are in Vain
University of Pennsylvania motto (hypocrisy in action).
From: snow@sscvx1.ssc.gov ( )
Subject: Re: Legality question concerning spores
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:59:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.190922.4173@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, rdm31671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Raymond D. Meredith) writes:
> 
>      I'm quite curious to know the legality of the "psilocybin mushroom spores"
> advertisements I see in magazines such as "High Times".  Can these be sold
> legally?  What are the laws concerning this?  How about when they are sent
> across state lines?  I just don't understand how these companies can sell
> something that might be used for illegal purposes (namely the growing of
> psychedelic mushrooms!)
>      Feel free to E-mail me your comments, or post 'em here for the enlight-
> enment of other post-heads.  Thanks in advance for anything and everything.
> 
> -- 
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> Raymond D. Meredith                    - Keeping the world safe for
> rdm31671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu                gonzo computing.
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I TRIED MAILING BUT THE MAILER WOULDN'T CONNECT, SO HERE'S A POST.

        as i understand it the spores contain no controlled substances
(e.g. psilocybin), therefore they are legal under federal law.  under state
law it varies and i believe the only state where the spores are explicitly
illegal because they can be used to produce a controlled substance, is
california, which passed an anti-spore law in 1985.  also i think florida is
the only state where possesion of psilocybin mushrooms is legal (though not
ingesting them).  the anti mushroom law there was challenged in court not long
ago and was thrown out because it was too vague.  i think the organization
responsible for this was the mushroom lobby of pensacola florida.  hope this
helps.
                                                joel
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: MDMA alternative?: a rat example
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 20:05:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) writes:
: 
: SEC 1203.  DEFINITION.
: 
:    Section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802) is
: amended by adding at the end thereof the following:
:     "(32)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), the term `controlled
:    substance analogue' means a substance ---
:         "(i) the chemical structure of which is substantially similar to
:       the chemical structure of a controlled substance in schedule I or II;
:         "(ii) which has a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on
:       the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater
:       than the stimulent, [sic] depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the
:       central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II;
:         "(iii) with respect to a particular person, which such person
:       represents or intends to have a stimulant, depressant, or
:       hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is
:       substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or
:       hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled
:       substance in schedule I or II.

This rules out *anything* that gets you high. Clever fellows, these. Assholes.
I'd like to know if it has been tested too. Any lawyers with the resources
and the interest out there?

Time to clear the shelves of Robitussin and Vix.  A real attempt at that
would probably get this silly thing stricken.
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rdm31671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Raymond D. Meredith)
Subject: Re: Legality question concerning spores
Keywords: mushrooms, spores, legal, legality
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 18:47:02 GMT

ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) writes:

>In article <1992Apr11.190922.4173@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> rdm31671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Raymond D. Meredith) writes:
>>across state lines?  I just don't understand how these companies can sell
>>something that might be used for illegal purposes (namely the growing of
>>psychedelic mushrooms!)

>We're not yet so far gone as to be unable to buy and sell crowbars,
>acetylene torches, handguns, lithium aluminum hydride, or other items
>"that might be used for illegal purposes".  I hope we never will, but
>we've come close on the last two, at least.

>>Raymond D. Meredith                    - Keeping the world safe for
>>rdm31671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu                gonzo computing.

>   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu

I take it then that you mean to say there are NO laws against the selling and
distribution of psilocybin mushroom spores?  I find this very interesting.
Does the same apply to the sale and distribution of canabis sativa and/or 
indica seeds apply?  Finally, WHY has this not been outlawed.  I figure if they
can take your house/plane/car etc. without charging you with a crime, it would
be no problem to pass a law enabling law enforcement to put a stop to such
sales.
You mention lithium aluminum hydride, whose use I am unfamiliar with.  What I amfamiliar with is that there are chemicals the sale of which the government
restricts, since said chemicals are precursors to the production of certain
illegal drugs (LSD, etc.)  How can they restrict, though not make illegal, the
sale of these chemicals, yet not restrict the sale of spores?

Thanks in advance for your replies and time.


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Raymond D. Meredith                    - Keeping the world safe for
rdm31671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu                gonzo computing.
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 17:51:24 CDT
From: John Schulien <U21187@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Asset Forfeiture and You
 <1992Apr5.172041.9358@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>

In article <1992Apr5.172041.9358@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>,
R.Bradley.Byrd@dartmouth.edu (R. Bradley Byrd) says:
>i know that this is a bit off the subject, but has anyone ever actually
>gone to those gov't auctions where they sell confiscated drug goods (i
>mean stuff seized under RICO, i suppose)?    are good deals possible?
>is it actually worth the time or effort to attempt to attend one?
>any thoughts on the subject?    i could use a car, you know...   ;>)

If you don't have any moral/ethical problems with purchasing stolen
property, then you might find yourself some good deals.

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Elizabeth Kupfer)
Subject: Re: Asset Forfeiture and You
Keywords: RICO, Asset Forfeiture, Drugs, Money
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:53:23 GMT

wix@west.darkside.com (Doktor Avalanche) writes:

>euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Elizabeth Kupfer) writes:

>>            Well, the powers that be evidently can detain a person until he
>>  (oh, so graciously) agrees to give up his cash or "make a donation".  What
>> would keep them from detaining someone until he agreed to sign and hand over
>> that traveler check?


>This is not what transpires. There is no graciousness about it. It is 
>asset SEIZURE. There is no agreement. 
    Sorry, dude.  I suppose i should have put a smiley next to the word
 'graciously'.  Query: do we *have* an accepted symbol for sarcasm?  How about
 adopting the dead-pan smiley (i.e.,  :-| ) for this use?  That way everyone
would know when someone is being that way.
I heard of a couple of black men who were detained until they "made a donation".
When they got back to their home town they got an attorney who got the money
back. 
e.k.
--
elizabeth kupfer, euclid@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (preferred)
standard disclaimers apply
Those who do not trust enough are not trusted --Tao Te Ching
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:7189 talk.politics.drugs:2697
From: hagerp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Paul Hager)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: I'm back ...
Date: 6 Apr 92 07:44:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr6.024522.21569
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

I should be more available over the next several days.  I
finished up a project about an 1 1/2 hours ago and the 
pressure should be off for awhile.

Next week I plan on resuming my efforts to make TCI's
life in Bloomington unpleasant.  The Bloomington ACLU
chapter will hear a report on the feasibility of a
lawsuit against TCI and will determine wheter or not
to recommend such action to the ICLU litigation director.
This will be happening Tuesday.

I was interviewed by Bill Weinberg of _High Times_ yesterday.
It appears that _HT_ is going to give the HCRC's fight with
TCI some coverage.

Monday I will find out whether or not Bill Bailey will
retract his absurd statement that marijuana was never legal
in the U.S.

Preparations for the Quiz Bowl will begin next week.  Ditto
for Culture Shock, an I.U. event that will take place on
Saturday the 11th.  HCRC will be on hand and several of us
will probably speak during breaks in the music.

On the 18th, the HCRC has been invited to participate in
something called Collins Fest that is put on by the
Collins Dorm.  The organizer was very excited when I said
that we would be happy to make an appearance and he will try
to set up a video projector system so that we can show
the commercials.
-- 
paul hager		hagerp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu

"The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason."
			-- Thomas Paine, _The Age of Reason_
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: geroldf@sdd.hp.com (Gerold Firl)
Subject: Re: tongue firmly in cheek
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 20:04:45 GMT

<very nice Nolan chart deleted>

I like this description of the difference between Lrft and Right:

"The difference between a Leftist and a Rightist can best be discerned by a
consideration of their views towards property rights. The Leftist believes
in everybody's right to someone else's property, whereas the Rightist is 
someone who believes that they have a right to everyone else's property."
-- 
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Disclaimer claims dat de claims claimed in dis are de claims of meself,
me, and me alone, so sue us god. I won't tell Bill & Dave if you won't.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=----   Gerold Firl @ ..hplabs!hp-sdd!geroldf
From: 901430w@aucs.acadiau.ca (Kevin Wayte)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: This id Di Dio,my account was suspended for a week,so don't mail to
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:25:00 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

Ya I told some guy off the other day in Washington,and the little rat sent
the letter to my postmaster and he wasn't impressed.
Well this isn't really a post,but if I reply to a post in this name,please
do not send me mail,to my original account or to this on,but I usually only
talk to Cain,so thanks.
If I have something I really want to say I'll simply post it.


--
*                  Kevin Wayte   901430w@aucs.acadiau.ca                   *
*             School of Computer Science,   Acadia University              *
*                     Wolfville,  Nova Scotia,  Canada                     * 
* "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice" - Neil Peart *
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Legality question concerning spores
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 20:14:07 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I think that technically Psilosybe (sp) spores are illegal but there is no
real concern by the DEA beacuse they are so bloody difficult to do anything
with if you are not a trained mycologist (I think that's what they're called)
with a sterile lab.
-- 
Bob Cain    rcain@netcom.com   408-358-2007

"There are some strings.  They're just not attached."
                                                    Victoria Roberts
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@isis.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Choline and smart drugs
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 92 22:16:53 GMT


 Someone asked about choline and smart drugs, so I'm posting what I  know
off the top of my head. I just moved and most of the data I have collected
about drugs (reams and reams) are somewhere down in my basement. I can't
remember direct references, but the names of chemicals I give can be found
in the Merck Index. Most libraries carry this book. (in my data collecting,
I think I've read throught this book about three or four times. *gasp!*)
The Merck Index can tell you about LOTS of pharmaceuticals and other 
chemicals. Also it can give you references to other journals for info.
Unfortuneately, it helps to be a little technical minded to use it
effectively. (I lost my copy so if anybody would like to donate one... :)

 Choline is a precursor to the neurotransmitter, acetylcholine (ACh).
In studies on memory drugs that enhance levels of ACh in the brain, were 
shown to enhance short term memory retention. This study was conducted
using a cholinergic called physostigmine. Physostigmine is toxic and 
can paralyse the heart. Physostigmine acts by inhibiting the enzyme that
breaks down ACh, acetylcholine esterase. This cause a more ACH to be
avialable at synapses. This seems to augment the area of the brain that
is responsible for short term memory. Unforytunately the paripheral
effects of this drug make it too dangerous for use as a "smart drug".
It would be interesting to attempt to cretae a more specific drug that
has little peripheral effect. Ibogaine analogues are promising candidates.
However, increasing ones intake of choline could make more of it available
for your body to make more ACh. This could have an effect on memory, but
not as profound as physostigmine. I might also point out that malathion
acts in the same way as physostigmine, but much more intensely and
irreversably. I post more details later. I think I'm forgetting something.
Oh yes, if you are asthmatic I would use those choline augmenters found
in health stores with caution, they MIGHT provoke an attack. Also if you
are prescribed atropine or scopolamine for any reason.

   St. Anthony

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: just a question
Organization: Hewlett-Parkard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:42:38 GMT

: The playing of loud music from ones car.
:         
: The playing of loud music from ones home after 1:00 AM.
:         
: There are thousands of them. Shameful hugh?

For many of them, yes. However, you have no right to force me to listen
and be jarred by your ghetto-thumper - at any time of the day or night.
If you want it loud, then it is your responsibility to sound-proof your
house so others will not have to suffer from your insanity.

If you do that, then whether you crack the walls in your own house or
destroy your own eardrums in no ones business but your own.

: Is this really the land of the free?

Unfortunately, no. And as long as there are others that feel they have the
right to force their beliefs/practices/hobbies/etc on others, then it will
never be free.

Bill