From: jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali)
Subject: Re: Good Bye Mr. Bush
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:21:41 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <1dd590INN5p5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan) writes:
>In response to Nadeem Jamali's letter;
>
>
... (stuff deleted)


>>>from South Africa. These guys will assign race to elements in periodic table.
>>>One Mr. Altaf Qadir of the Land Down Under got scared that it may create 
>>>trouble on the net. I dont think we should get sharmindah at discussing
>>>the credentials of our future President Mr. Gauhar Ayub or one of our
>>>future primeminister Mr. Shahnavaz Bhutto.  Their supporters should not
>
>>Man!!! are you for real :) I mean... do you have the reasoning devises that
>
>	Yes, honey! I am for real. 
>
>
>>normally come built-in in human beings... If you're really stressed or
>>something, I'll pay you money.. buy a Lever2000 and release the tension :) :)
>
>	Why Lever2000? I prefer ............. :-) 				

Damn these "Muhajir" Khans :) :)

>>First,
>> I'm not sure what Ta'asoob-shit means... as you might have gathered,
>
>	But, I guess you do! 

I really don't know what it is. I'll really appreciate if someone could help.

>
>>Urdu is not my native language. Second, I must insist that Javed bhai has more
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>That is no problem , I will try to use more of Gulaabi Urdu in future.

What ??

>
>>in common with you than with me. I don't know much about Rahim saheb. And by
>>the way, were did I ever refer to any race in my posting... If you have the
>>sexual organs which I would imagine most male humans possess, why don't
>>you respond to my posting instead of accusing me of whatever :)
>
>	Now that I have proved the point by responding to your posting,                 wanna give me call boy?

Sorry to disappoint you!! I'm not strictly your kind :) Moreover, I was trying
to communicate to your simple mind that you haven't responded to my response
to your original message.... you still haven't done that.. you also haven't
proved that I made any reference to any races... and also whatever this 
Ta'asoob-shit is...

>
>>BTW, Shahnawaz has been dead for quite a while... probably your simple mind
>	Ok, I am sorry about this. I meant the guy who is in Damishq
>	and  hoping to serve the people of Pakistan one day. 
>	And by the way, what is in the name. It is  same shit, whether 
>	Shahnvaz or Murtuza.

I did get you there eh? ;)

>
>>is still processing that news.
>
>>BTW, do you wonder why people voted for BB too... The question is.. WHO CARES
>>what you wonder... specially with your rather simple brain. She was one of the
>	I prefer a simple brain, than a screwed up one! 

hee hee :)

>
>>best educated Prime Ministers Pakistan has ever had. People elected her.. she
>	Let me clear up something here.
>	People in Lyari and Purana Golimar do not care two dimes about
>	Benazir's degrees. This is the only place where she or her husband can
>	try winning. Those places in Karachi where people do care about 
>	education, she wont win because of her, and her family's,   Kartoots.
>

Those places elected murderers and Taxi drivers :)

>	Second, please do not tell us that she is best educated Primeminister
>	Pakistan ever had. She was definitly more educated than leaders
>	like Ayub Khan , Yoyo Khan, And Zia. But please.......
>	Hasan Shaheed Sohrawardy (M.S. Oxford), Khwaja Nazimuddin (Cambridge),
>	Liaquat Ali Khan( Oxford), were all atleast as educated as she is.
>	They were all well reputed lawyers before they got into politics.
>	And how could you forget her father who graduated from Berkeley
>	and got honorary doctorate from Oxford. (It is another story that
>	Oxford nullified the degree after Bhutto Sr. was charged with
>	murder).

I said 'one of the best educated'.... mian miTThoo... :)

>	And finally,  I prefer less educated Junejo, Chaudhry  Muhammad ali,
>	Noon, Bogra over Benazir. They were not as messed up as she is.
>	Atleast they all believed in Pakistan. She on the other hand, is on
>	the record saying during Zia's time that if India attacks Pakistan,
>	she will support Indian Army because of the dictatorship  
>	in Pakistan. 

Ever wondered why Pakistan and India were not on good terms during the
two Bhuttos' eras??? Why relations were much better during Jia [sic].

>		
>>got elected despite the mass rigging by the Government. I still rememeber the
>>helicopter waiting for Jatoi to get elected, to take him to Islamabad for
>>swearing in... poor guy didn't win his own seat.
>	IT is funny indeed. Mr. Jatoi is another one of the crooks.
>	Sorry I forgot to mention his name with Navaz Sharif, Benazir,
>	Asghar Khan, and etc.

You have some sense of humor...

>
>
>>>While She was the Primeminister of Pakistan, her husband was attending
>>>parties with her Japanese girl friend. I mean she could not keep her
>>>house in shape and thought she could rule Pakistan.
>
>>I told you man!! Go release your tension.. 
>	Thanks for the advice. I am done!

Now we're talking business :)

>	But Zardari did have "daashtaa's" on the side while kaka Ishaq
>	was on BB's side :-)
>

You did have a troubled childhood for sure :) :)

>
>>>	I want to ask Pakistanis all over the world  how do they feel
>>>about people like BB and Navaz getting into Govt.  How will
>>>they feel If Gauhar Ayub becomes Pakistan's President after Ishaq Khan
>>>retires. Will it be all right if Khufyaa Haath brings Shahnavaz into
>>>Pakistan, just like it brought Benazir few years ago. And we may very
>>>well have Shahnavaz Bhutto as a Prime Minister under Gauhar Ayub.
>>>People say that History repeats itself. But in case of Pakistan,
>>>only bad history repeats itself. Ayub Khan and Bhutto Sr. screwed
>>>Pakistan 25 years ago. Their off springs will do it pretty soon.
>>>God knows when Pakistan will get rid of chore-uchakkas and
>>>lafangas and lafangees.
>>
>
>>God must be wondering what to do with mistakes like yourself :)
>	He/She must be saying "Ek mistake aur sahee". I am sure
>	there are other people like me, and I hope God keeps 
>	making this mistake.
>

hee hee hee

>
>>>Jiaulhaq came with a promise that he will not stay for more than
>>>90 days and the army will return to the barracks after holding a
>>>"free and fair" election and a peaceful transfer of powers to the

..... (stuff deleted)

>>>Jiaulhaq as the Presiden for 5 years.The first legislation which
>>>Jiaulhaq's handpicked assembly passed was to ammend the constitution
>>>and mentioned him in name as the President of Pakistan till 1990.
>>>Thus he became the only dictator in the history of the world to be
>>>mentioned by name in the constitution.
>
>>	And how about Mr. Ayub Khan Declaring himself Field Marshal.
>
>>Pappu Raja!! What you don't realize is the difference in the effect on
>>the masses. Zia had denied the people the right to vote... Declaring oneself
>>Field Marshal hardly matches... 
>	I was only trying to say that Ayub Khan was as much of an idiot
>	as Zia.
>	By the way, Ayub and Zia both had their phoney elections.
>
>[and I thought chimpanzees are closest to man :) ]
>	Try me! 

:) :)

>I'm not really surprised you're protecting Jiaulhaq [sic]. 
>	I am surprised you think I am protecting Zia.
>	Gimmee a break.

That's all I'm giving you... Did I ever show any higher expectations??? :)
>>	
>>
>>>Janenajo became the next PM of the country which now had a Presidenti
>>>tial form of govt.He as the name suggests,was a "simple" man and
>>>did not try to ruin the country further.He was thrown out by his 
>>	I think Muhammad Khan Junejo was a very sharif person. I like

... (stuff deleted)

>
>> What can I say about Baig... you'll again accuse me of some Ta'asoob-shit..
>
>	Seems like you either knew what Ta'asoob meant or your Urdu
>	improved in last few minutes :-)

What do we call you dummy.. don't you get it.. you .. you .. Dan Quayle...
I don't know the damn word...

>	Go ahead and say any thing you wanna say about anyone. Just
>	do not blame a city/minority/province/language/people
>	instead of blaming that one person.
>	

Where did I blame anyone ???

>> Do you really think Gen. Baig _could_ have tried to bring a martial law...
>	I think he could. His juniors would have loved it too.
>	I know, it is hard for us to believe that someone will miss such

You must be kidding... otherwise... :)

>	a golden opportunity. But I am sure I am not the Only mistake
>	God made. There are many in Pakistan, atleast I hope so.
>

Me too :)

>>Sorry.. that was a stupid question :)
>	Not at all, I think this was the only intelligent question/remark
>	from you, since the start of this topic. 

Poor you... are there any psychiatrists in Cleveland?? :)

>
>>>instead of grabing power decided that it should be the people who
>>>should have it and after more than a decade took the army back to
>>>the barracks.
>>>I'll try to post you with the post 1988 scenario sometime later, Ia
>>	Please do so.
>>>am getting late for my class.
>>
>>>MUBASHIR RIZVI.
>>
>>>Mansoor Khan 
>>>Cleveland
>
>>
>>
>
>>So Munnai Main... simple headed bozo... you were saying that you are not
>>aware of what's been happening in Pakistani politics lately (yes the same
>>lately as in 'Have you driven a ford _lately_). You seem to be quite up to
>>date.
>
>	Barae-Mian Saheb, 

Aadaab arz hai :)

>I may be a simple headed bozo, but as you say,
>I did keep myself pretty up to date, as far as Pakistani affairs are 
>concerned.  What I had originally requested was that since I had
>missed the elections in 1980s (being out of Pak. for the whole decade),
>I would have appreciated some Political Naraas from the recent elections.
>This did not mean that I was not aware of whatz going on over there.

I see...

>
>>What surprises me is that in the whole fasana-e-ishq, there is no mention
>>of MQM.. but, then... I am full of Ta'asoob-shit like my friends Javed Iqbal
>>from Turkey and Rahim from South Africa :) :)
>	I wish Pakistan's history was fasana-e-Ishq. Unfortunately, it
>	is more of Fasana-e-Ajaa'eb. Atleast, Our politicians are
>	mukamal Ajoobas. By the way, I like your use of Fasana-e-Ishq,
>	your Urdu really got better in last few minutes.
>	You are right, MQM was missing, but so was Jiay-SIndh, Panjabi-Pakhtoon
>	Ittehad, Baluch Alliance, and Walikhan's party. 
>	Except MQM and Panjabi-Pakhtoon Ittehad all others talk of
>	breaking up of Pakistan. In fact PPP has become a Khilona in
>	the hand of Jiay Sindh( in sindh). So after we have 
>	gone thru the Alif-laelvee tales of Jiay-Sindh, Baluch Alliance,
>	and Walikhan's party, we should discuss the MQM.

Someone tell this bhalay-manas why MQM is more significant than Jiye-Sindh,
Panjabi-Pakhtoon Ittehaad, Baluch Alliance.. etc.. 

In your whole account, not once you put any blame on anyone from among
"Muhajirs". And you almost make sure that you do blame everyone else.. what
is this supposed to mean anyway...

>
>>If all above hasn't made sense to you.. PLEASE go back into whatever you came
>						^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>out of... You win!! I concede defeat :) :)
>  ^^^^^^^^^^
>	It is too late. I am already out, can't do  much about it.
>

Sheeesh :)

>
>>Nadeem
>
>Mansoor Khan
>Cleveland.
>

Nadeem

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