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From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: StairMaster Technique?
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 02:33:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.231818.2173@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>It sounds like the "you must do the StairMaster correct" crowd probably
>thinks that it is pointless to run the Boston Marathon if you can't finish in
>three hours.

No. I think it'd be more accurate to say that the "StairMaster correct" crowd
would think that it is pointless to run the Boston Maraton if doing so would
prevent you from doing any exercise whatsoever for weeks after the race.

>My point is that you don't need to use "correct" form to get an aerobic 
>workout. I grant that it is "harder" to do a workout without supporting
>your weight, but working out supporting your weight is not exactly couch 
>potato activity either.  

You don't have to use the "correct" form when skiing, either. Come skiing at
Keystone, CO any day this season and I'll show you a few thousand people who
try this approach. They may feel like they have saved money by "teaching
themselves," but they take far longer to learn how to ski, acquire bad habits
along the way, and expose themselves to unnecessary risk on the slopes. They
also usually have less fun.

Beth, come over and read rec.skate for a while. Every few weeks, some beginner
will join the group and report that braking is impossible on in-lines.
Actually, what's difficult is teaching yourself how to brake with no
instructions and/or instructor. In the mid-80s, I took 2 years to teach myself
how to be in control on skates; I can now teach people most of what I learned
in 2-3 hours!

There's a lot to be said for asking advice from an expert when starting a new
exercise -- especially when you don't think you need it! And, in Western
culture, men usually have this problem more than women.

>Frankly, unless we are talking competition (like the Concept II Crash-Bs),
>the only concern should be whether the person is getting their pulse up to an
>aerobic range for an appropriate amount of time.  

Rowing definitely *appears* to be this simple. It is not. Rowing is an
extremely subtle exercise. Besides giving you an efficient stroke, learning
how to stroke correctly can definitely prevent injury -- especially back
injury.

>All the rest seems snobbishness to me--like I'm so superior if I can do level
>15 for 45 minutes--look Ma, no hands.

If someone continues aerobic exercise for years and years, you'll ultimately
put a high priority -- perhaps the highest priority -- on injury prevention.
And you'll probably hope that you can communicate to other people exactly why
that is such a high priority for you.

>Beth Mazur

--phil
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: aleck@athena.mit.edu (Aleck H Alexopoulos)
Subject: Re: amazing deadlift
Keywords: li'l pudgy
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:23:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.185141.18912@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
|> I have had occasion to train with a variety of poeple in my time, but this
|> one in particular, still amazes me to this day. For the life of me right
|> now, I cannot think of her name.... only that she was a girlfriend of my
|> SO of the time. She stood about 5'2" (probably more like 5'0"), and she

The key here is the 5'2" height of hers. The deadlift is one exercise where 
being short helps. The difference between a short guy and a tall one is the 
starting position. The short guy might have his thighs above parallel while the 
tall guy will have his thighs below parallel. That makes a big difference 
in power. One example that comes to mind is     Franco Columbo    with 
that - frequently published - photo of him deadlifting 740lbs with ease. 

|> .............. After about three weeks of "ramping up", this little
|> baby-doll-lookin' young woman was pulling 300 lbs. in the deadlift. I still
|> do not know just how strong she was, as 300 lbs. was all of the iron that I
|> had at that time.........

|> 
|> Keith R


Aleck
From: wilsonbr@cps.msu.edu (Brian R Wilson)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: StairMaster Technique?
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:34:12 GMT
Reply-To: wilsonbr@cps.msu.edu (Brian R Wilson)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: pacific.cps.msu.edu
Originator: wilsonbr@pacific.cps.msu.edu

In article <1993Jan15.182505.8988@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>In article <1993Jan14.203941.3127@stortek.com> pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>>In article <1is7rkINN863@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes:
>>>Stairmasters are not designed to give the arms a workout, aerobic
>>>or otherwise.
>>
>>Who told you that, Brian? You sound like a Nordic Track commercial! These ads
>>claim that Nordic Track is "better" than stair climbers because they're not
>>"designed" to give you an upper body working. This is just plain silly.
>>
>>I and other readers to this newsgroup have recommended using light hand
>>weights while exercising on a StairMaster. Besides adding an upper-body
>>component to workouts, this helps develop a sense of balance.
>
>Oh, so you mean that the makers of stair climbers "designed" them so that
>people could use light hand weights?  I'd say that the grips on the
>bars clearly indicate that they were "designed" so that people could 
>balance themselves by holding on.
>
>>I repeat: if you want the gospel about correct form on a StairMaster, write
>>them. Do you accept or decline this request?
>
>Talk about silly.  And I suppose that StairMaster will be any more honest
>or correct than NordicTrack (see above).  
>
>Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
>mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
>...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls


I think that NEITHER the StairMaster or the Nordic Track will improve
ARM strength.  Stainmaster works the legs harder than the Nordic if 
you ask me.  As far as I always thought, since their is no such thing
as a good way to SPOT REDUCE FAT... either one can help lose wieght.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: olson@milli.cs.umn.edu (Curtis L. Olson)
Subject: Re: Who is Penelope Ann Miller? (was Re: Cindy Crawford Video Controversy )
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: misc
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:48:03 GMT

In <AGRAWAL.93Jan24130050@lipari.usc.edu> agrawal@lipari.usc.edu (Amitabh Agrawal) writes:

>   Excuse my ignorance, but who is Penelope Ann Miller?  Where has she
>   appeared before?

>She is the actress from "Freshman" and  "Other People's Money". I
>think she also has a cameo in "Chaplin".
>Amit

I think she also appeared in "Kindergarten Cop" and "Awakenings."

Curt.
--
   .
--o0o--  Curtis Olson     (olson@cs.umn.edu)
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From: Janet_Wilson@mindlink.bc.ca (Janet Wilson)
Subject: Re: Is it okay to run with shin splints
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:25:11 GMT

If it hurts, ease off.

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: aleck@athena.mit.edu (Aleck H Alexopoulos)
Subject: Re: Leg Press
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 02:09:19 GMT

In article <4fM44I200iUzM3ODkG@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Ryan E. Rasmussen" <rr2y+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> In a few weeks I'm going to start a new cycle in which I'll be using leg
|> presses instead of squats.  I was wondering what is considered
|> proper/safe foot placement, and how different placements might effect
|> different areas of the quads.

From my own experience: If you place your feet high up on the platform 
you can use more weight and the exercise becomes quite similar to the squat. 
If you place your feet low on the platform the exercise gets harder and it 
begins to resemble a "sissy squat". As for distance between feet, use 
whatever is more comfortable. (for me it was about 15inches). 
|> 
|> My experience from squats is that they tend to build thickness (on top
|> of the muscle) as opposed to width (I guess this is usually called
|> sweep, and is developed by hack squats).  Just wondering how leg presses
|> influence shape.

Again, that should depend on foot placement. You should get similar affects with
the squat as long as you place your feet high on the platform. 
The major difference then with the squat is that you get a bigger strech 
in your hamstrings and also your upper hamstring does more work than in a normal
squat. 

|> 
|> Thanks,
|> Ryan
|> 


Aleck
From: aleck@athena.mit.edu (Aleck H Alexopoulos)
Subject: Re: Anthony Clark: Latest Feats
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 02:12:56 GMT

In article <C19vLr.4A2@jabba.ess.harris.com>, mvm@caesun6.epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney) writes:
|> aleck@athena.mit.edu (Aleck H Alexopoulos) writes:
|> >I posted a while ago some of the incredible lifts of Anthony Clark
|> ...
|> >Monday : Heavy Squat Day 
|> >         squats (up to 2 sets of 800 for 3 reps) 
|> >         pause squats (2 sets of 600) 
|> >	etc
|> >Tuesday : Heavy Bench Day
|> >	  reverse grip bench press (3reps at 575,625, 650) 
|> >          bench press (reps out at 315) 
|> >     	  dumbell flyes (4 sets of 8-10 reps at 130, 1 set of 8-10 at 150) 
|> >	  dumbell pullover (3sets of 10 with 130) 
|> > 	   tricep dips (3 sets of 10 with 300 {Ouch! Thats a total of 630!!} ) 
|> >Thursday: Heavy Back Day
|> >	   Deadlifts (up to 680 for 4reps) 
|> >           Bent over barbell row (up to 405 for 8 reps) 
|> >	   lat pulldowns 3 sets of5 reps at 300 
|> 
|> I'm impressed!  That's about 4 times what I can do.
|> 
|> But why so little on the lat pulldowns?  That implies he couldn't do
|> 5 chinups (at 330 lbs).  I weigh 165 and do 6x210, and I can do 16-20 
|> chinups.

Thats because he goes real heavy on the deadlift and bent barbell rows 
before he gets to the pulldowns. Its obviously a finishing off exercise for him. 
Its really impressive to me that he can do heavy barbell rows AFTER doing 
heavy deadlifts. He must have a hell of a strong lower back. I could NEVER do 
barbell rows after deadlifts. Id have little energy and my lower back would 
be gone! 

|> 
|> --------------------------------        _\/_
|> Matt Mahoney, mvm@epg.harris.com       |(TV)|  Drug of the Nation
|> #include <disclaimer.h>                |____|

Aleck
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:47:33 -0500 
From: Sean Patrick O'Brien <so0o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Is it okay to run with shin splints

There is an old saying - If it feels better when you run, then continue
running,
				If it feels worse when you run, then stop running.

Basically, If your student is still feeling pain, ie shin splints, stop
him from running or other exercises which cause the pain for awhile. 
When I had shin splints about two years ago, our trainer made me soak in
a hot whirl pool for twenty minutes, then really stretch out my shins
(either an incline board, or the new prostretch device will do this). 
Then go for an easy short run.  This run couldn't be too long, and I had
to go really easy.  This didn't help increase my aerobic base, but
rather enabled me to get my shins stretched and worked out.  After the
run, I had to stretch out again, and then ice the shins for about 15
minutes.

After about two weeks, the shin splints were "gone", ie not causing
pain.  But still not healed.  For about another two weeks, I had to keep
my runs easy, although I was able to increase the length.  I still had
to really stretch out before and after, and if it started getting
painful again , I iced my shins after the run.

I still occasionaly get some pain, and just ice it after the run.   The
saying at the beginning should be taken with a grain of salt.  If anyone
is feeling pain, and it continues, see a doctor or other knowledgable
person.  And stretching before and after a run is always a great idea.

hope this helps

Sean
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:06:34 EST
From: Psycho!! <HOLTONS@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Raw Eggs, Cooked Eggs, etc.

>So anybody know how serious Salmonellosis is?  I mean, can you die
>from it?  Are there long term effects?


    I nearly died from it.  Spent 21 days in the hospital.  Can also lead to
other complications like colitis... I also have problems digesting certain
foods now.
*********************************************************************
* Steve Holton             *                                        *
* HOLTONS@QUCDN.QueensU.CA *                                        *
*                          *  Bend, fondle and manipulate.          *
* Queens University        *                                        *
* Canada, eh?              *                                        *
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From: gggj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Excercising while driving your car??
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:02:44 EST
Distribution: misc
Organization: Cornell University

I heard about a book a few monmths ago that told you about a bunch of good
excercises you could do while driving your car.  Since I have to spend a lot of
time  in my car, I'd like to get ahold of this...however I don't recall the
author nor the title.  If anyone has info on this book please e0-mail me, as I
don't have time to check the newsgroups that often.
Thanks
Scott
gggj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

Xref: sparky misc.fitness:9699 rec.bicycles.misc:2102 rec.running:3981
From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.running
Subject: Re: Metabolic Rate question
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:18:34 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Followup-To: misc.fitness
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles.misc, pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt) writes:

>Nordic Track machines are great, but the CII erg is the most macho
>machine out there.

As an ex-collegiate rower, I'll agree with that.  Nothing makes you
want to puke quite like the agony of a 2500 meter erg sprint.  At the
end of the 8 1/2 minutes you fall off in a quivering mass of jelly.
As hard as you pull that chain, the thing just pulls back harder.

David Mackintosh
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: alice@media.mit.edu (alice lei)
Subject: Re: Cindy Crawford Video Controversy
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 13:51:51 GMT

>she has the std anmeic looking model's body the only differnce is she
>has large breasts tacked onto them.  

>didnt take it serious as an exercise video ( as is advised in Shape Mag ).

isnt she a seriously competing triathlete
From: spickett@orion.oac.uci.edu (Steve Pickett)
Subject: Re: Muscle Media 2000
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:05:24 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <146973@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> roberts@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov (Don Roberts) writes:
>horwath@rtsg.mot.com (George Horwath) writes:
>
> >So I mosey on down to my local Walgreens pharmacy to 
> >pick up the latest issues of Weekly World News and MAD
> >and what do I see?!? The muscle mag section has got
> >copies of Muscle Media 2000!! Has big Bill P. hit
> >the big time and finally gotten into the distribution
> >network? I thought his mag was only available via
> >mail (subscription)?
>
>I spotted MM200 in the magazine rack at the Long's Drugs here in
>Pleasanton the other day. I guess they've gone nationwide. Haven't
>seen it at GNC or the mall bookstores yet. Maybe they're distributing
>to discount pharmacies (why??).
>
>--

For what its worth--

I've noticed it in a number of places out here lately including supermarket
magazine racks. 

-Steve
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From: tgkrajna@infonode.ingr.com (Tom G. Krajna)
Subject: Re: Excercising while driving your car??
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: misc
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 04:46:30 GMT

mvm@caesun6.epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney) writes:

>Ride a bike!

>Before you know it, we'll have Stairmasters in the elevators.  Sheesh!

Mystery Science Theater 3000 did a cute skit on this theme: a treadmill
that moves across the ground while you walk on it, a "stair" machine where
you actually move upward through a building while exercising, and a
"rowing machine" that you can use to transport yourself across bodies of
water.  What'll they think of next?

--Tom K.
From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: fat content of Maruchan brand products?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 00:20:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


Anyone know how much fat is in the "Instant Lunch" noodle
packages made by Maruchan? I couldn't find any info on 'em 
in my fat counter books.

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From: ejhupper@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Huppertz)
Subject: What in the world are "lunge" and "power clean"
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:34:45 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University


I've been trying to "pump those gleuts (sp?) 'till my butt's
like a bowling ball" of the last few months, and really haven't
had much success.  Mostly because I don't have a partner to help
with squats, plus that exercise seems to hurt my knees. I am
probably doing it wrong, but I'm not too fond of that anyway
seeing as I always have to work in between a very large number 
of very large people.

So the chart on the wall of the rec center says to try lunge and
power clean, but I have no idea of what these are!  Also, can 
anyone suggest other size-builders for those elusive gleuts?

TIA

-eric 
-- 
-  ()()    ()()  ()  ()()()    Eric J. Huppertz             ejhupper@ilstu.edu
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()      ()     ()  ()          "Hey, these aren't my rules.  Come to think of
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From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Bodyfat Percentages
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:24:59 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

jbrown@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jennifer Brown) writes:


>	      MEN            WOMEN
>Age      Ideal Range     Ideal Range

>20-29      10-15%          18-22%
>30-39      12-16           20-24
>40-49      14-18           21-25
>50 +       15-19           22-26


>(derived from Cooper Institute, Dallas, TX, 1982)

Is there anyway to test your own bodyfat percentage?


-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
From: laurie@bnr.co.uk (Laurie Constantin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: perspective (is it just me?)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 11:25:12 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: bnsgs197.bnr.co.uk
Keywords: balance in life

In article <1993Jan21.033520.28797@athena.mit.edu> aleck@athena.mit.edu (Aleck H Alexopoulos) writes:
>
>He is well aware of the risks. Its all one big calculated risk. 
>He figures he can achieve the "ultimate" - like a 800lb bench, a 1200 lb 
>squat, a 7000lb back lift etc - by a certain age and then stop 
>the drugs and hope that his body can recover. 
>
>|> What I am getting to, in a round-about way, is that in our quest for higher
>|> performance, and general physical excellence, is that each of us only has
>|> one body, and it's gotta' last us the rest of our lives. I see no point in
>|> doing things that are guaranteed to destroy your health in the name of
>|> fitness.
>
>I dont think anyone disagrees! What i would add is that if someone 
>chooses - with good knowledge of the risks involved - to take steroids etc 
>in order to reach his ultimate limits of size and strength its not our 
>position to judge him. Only if that person comes out saying that hes 
>natural then one can maybe call him dishonest (probably not to his face 
>though.....). 
> 
>
>Aleck
>


	It's very sad that bodybuilding and powerlifting can be at both
	extremes of the health scale - on the one hand, recreational body
	builders and powerlifters (and natural competitors in those sports)
	are probably a group of the healthiest, fittest people on the planet.

	On the other hand, however, competitive bodybuilding and powerlifting,
	where the big bucks and drugs are, contain people who consider their
	short and long term health as a very minor part of their lives; even
	when others are dropping dead at their feet.


	Laurie, a concerned and drug-free powerlifter.


-- 
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Laurie Constantin,   | You can sail across the water, float across the sky.  |
| <laurie@bnr.co.uk>   | Any road that you take will get you there,            |
| BNR Europe Ltd, UK   | if you only try.    - MJJ                             |
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: Janet_Wilson@mindlink.bc.ca (Janet Wilson)
Subject: Re: New Labelling Guidelines
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:49:00 GMT

YAYYYYYY!!!
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: steph@tc.fluke.COM (Stephanie Subak)
Subject: Re: Vanadyl Sulfate (PROBLEM?)
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:24:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.032218.15776@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> blake@osc.edu (Blake Cook) writes:
>
>I recently started having a problem that may or may not be attributed
>to Vanadyl Sulfate.  
>
>...Labs, chose to put in it.  These "other" ingredients include 20mg Niacin
>& 200 mcg Chromium Picolinate (Nutri 21).  Maybe even the combination
>of the 3 ingredients could somehow cause this, I just don't know.  I've
>taken the Chromium Picolinate before so doubt if this could be the 
>culprit.  

Niacin in large doses (I don't know how large) has been used as
a cholesterol reducing drug.  One unpleasant side effect is 
severe flushing of the skin especially on the face and neck. 

Just looking at a bottle of multi-vitamins that I take, the old RDA
for Niacin (Niacinamide) is 20mg, so the dosage in your VS supplements 
by itself wouldn't seem to be out of line.  

You may want to consult a nutritionist or someone knowledgeable about
drug interactions.
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Too high? [Re: More on max heart rate]
Date: 25 Jan 1993 22:38:39 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland
NNTP-Posting-Host: athens.eng.umd.edu

In article <1k1c8bINNm0l@OPAL.SYSTEMSX.CS.YALE.EDU> A. Satish Pai <Pai-Satish@CS.Yale.Edu> writes:

>I swim 2 or 3 times a week, for 30-40 minutes at a time. Within 5 or 10 minutes
>of starting to swim, my heart is usually pounding at 170 to 190 beats per
>minute (there is no pain or discomfort). This seems like it's dangerously close
>to the "maximum" computed by the (220 - age) formula (I'm 25 years old). And
>the "recommended" 80% for exercising is about 155 which I invariably exceed.

>Am I doing something wrong? As another poster mentioned here, I don't feel I'm
>working out if I go any easier. By the way, my resting pulse rate is about 60.


>Is the formula supposed to be applicable to all/most people? 

The formulas are for people with poor to average fitness who are doing
two or three 30-minute aerobic workouts per week. They are aimed at the
general public, and are not aimed at the competitive athlete. They
compromise on fitness for the sake of reducing risk of injury.

You say that you are experiencing no pain or discomfort. On that basis
alone, you are doing nothing wrong. The fact that you can get your
pulse very high without pain means you are in great shape, so the formulas
don't apply to you.

Intense workouts are important to a competitive athlete, but you should do
no more than one very intense workout per week. This is to protect your
skeletal muscles. Don't worry about your heart. Your heart can
recover from an intense workout in only 2 hours.
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