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From: bloom@inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Pistons Hatred
Date: 27 Jul 92 07:59:31 CST
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

In article <BILLMS.92Jul13142751@z.eecs.umich.edu>, billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
> 	<1992Jul11.035643.22464@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>
> Sender: news@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Mr. News)
> Organization: University of Michigan
> Lines: 23
> In-Reply-To: skprimus@tartarus.uwa.edu.au's message of Sat, 11 Jul 1992 03:56:43 GMT
> 
> In article <1992Jul11.035643.22464@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> skprimus@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Siu Kai Ho) writes:
> 
>    EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
> 
> 	Sorry.....
>      Let me ask a stupid question: Why do so many players hate Bill
>    Laimbeer?


Because he's an a**hole!  Numerous examples of his poor behavior will 
follow.
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From: jerryo@pdx103 (Jerry Orleck)
Subject: Re: Ewing and Robinson
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:39:13 GMT

In article <92211.200920YUKQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <YUKQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:

>I love DT's fast breaks, of course. But I happen to think that DT's fast
>breaks are only a little more exciting than the Lakers Showtime circa 87/88.
>DT's are more spectacular, but Showtime is...uh...cooler.
>When DT plays a solid half court, it will be the time every one will look up
>to the team in awe and the basketball supremacy of DT will have been establishe
>d without any doubt.

OK.  I've stayed out of this for as long as I can stand.  My 0.02c worth.  A
good half court game only comes with practice.  Regardless of the individual
skills of the players, this team has not been together long enough to put
together offensive and defensive schemes which require practice and playing
time.  In addition, while many of the players have had some time off, many
others played close to the start of the TOA.  They don't need to drilled
with playbooks.  And finally, who cares whether they are looked up to with
awe.  If this olympic appearance doesn't establish the dominance of the
American game and atheletes, nothing will
-- 

Jerry Orleck                                  

jerryo@ichips.intel.com  
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Olympic jerk
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:28:20 GMT

In article <16832484B.O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Doug Miller) writes:

    I am getting damn tired of Charles Barkley's mouth and his antics. He
   is destroying the Dream Team. I just feel sorry for the rest of them because
   they are making me proud to be an american, Barkley isn't.

Why should you feel sorry for the team because Barkley doesn't make you proud
of your country?  Why should they care how you feel about your country?  Why
is your view of your country so closely tied to the actions of a professional
athelete?  Why do you prefer the antics of a few stars, who keep their mouths
shut and tow the party line, to those of a single star who continues to speak
with candor and insight on a wide range of issues?  Which of those actions is
more generally held up as the 'american' model?  I walked 7 blocks to dinner
last night in a major american city, and was approached for change 6 times by
homeless people on the street.  The unemployment rate is over 7%.  Our
country gave money to support Iraq before the Gulf war, and now paints Iraq
as a pox on the world.  Our government let its buddies in business rip off
the entire country in the savings and loan scandal, and we still don't know
how much it will cost.  The depth of presidential debate this season, so far,
has been held to "liberal liberal liberal" and "tax-n-spend tax-n-spend
tax-n-spend" and "not me not me not me".  And you are worried about Charles
Barkley destroying your pride in your country.





Bill
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From: stdkap1@icarus.spc.uchicago.edu (Dietrich Kappe)
Subject: Re: 1988 "Dream" (nightmare) Team
Organization: Center for Population Economics
	<1992Jul28.155713.29707@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
	<Bs3yy1.MzL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <4527@dove.nist.gov>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:30:01 GMT

>>>>> On 28 Jul 92 17:33:10 GMT, hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) said:

hira> I have a buddy who is a John Thompson hater, and he uses the
hira> 1988 team as an example of how bad a coach he was. Can anyone
hira> provide me with any decent counterarguments?

hira> For example, the 1990 Goodwill team was mentioned. How about the
hira> 1989 Pan Am team coached be coach K?

hira> Thanks, Ron

JT's problem: all D, no O.

I'm not exactly a John Thompson hater, in fact I think his brand of
basketball is very effective. The one big problem with his coaching is
that he relys exclusively on defense and lets the offense happen in a
sort of haphazard way. Sometimes G-town looks like a pickup team
playing offense. Coach Thompson also doesn't seem to make adjustments
well when faced with unexpected game situations. His solution always
seems to be going with the best defenders and exhorting them to play
tighter D.

I'm not saying I could coach like JT, but I could certainly implement
his game plan.
--

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Dietrich Kappe
kap1@icarus.spc.uchicago.edu
Center for Population Economics
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Cut & Paste
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:58:37 GMT

Post #3 PS (post-stop)

In article <1992Jul23.174529.48119@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>Only because you realize the futility of your previous "point", you now try
>to confuse and avoid it because you realized that weak position.
Yes, the weak position like wimping out of the country for a week, and then
come back to focus on the arguement "I didn't admit anything ...."

>So, ROBBERY is the "usual" definition of "job" Ed???  
So a home job refers to the usual definition of "job"? So your wife is doing
a home job, huh? By your new definition, do you mean your wife is "bogus"?

I mean, the refs are paid to do a job, at the home court of the home 
team. So the league pays the refs to do home jobs, right?

>Does your employer know what kind of "job" you are doing for them???  
>Just how much have you managed to ROB so far???
Oh, the job I do for my employer has the same meaning of the home job?
Well, so you meant every game is a home job? Another wimp-out 
re-definition! 

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Thomas Hyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Alternate Dream Team
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:45:41 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <15609@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, fzchen@othello.ucdavis.edu says:
>
>I was watching the olympics and thinking about Chuck Daly's remark
>about how this team would be neat if they had some competition.
>Then I started thinking about an alternate dream team that could
>compete and beat this team.  Here is my team:
>
>Isiah Thomas - G        >Joe Dumars - G            >Danny Manning - F
>Dominque Wilkins - F    >Hakeem Olajuwan - C       >Tim Hardaway - G
>Reggie Lewis - G        >James Worthy - F          >Larry Johnson -F
>Brad Daugherty -C       >Shaquille O'Nead -C (gotta have one college player)
>Sean Elliot -f
>
>Alternates:
>Mark Price   >Sean Kemp   >Ron Harper   >Mitch Richmond   >Dennis Rodman
>
>I think that team could beat the Dream Team.

If this team can beat the DT, why can't the Pistons beat the Bulls?
You've got Thomas and Dumars against Jordan and Pippen;  we know how
that turns out.  The same story at forwards:  Manning and Johnson
are good, but they're not Bird, Malone or Barkley.

The only position you might break even at is center.  DT by 18.

Thomas Hyer                   _____________________
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-S---L------A---------C-----< _I_ don't share my  / \     support
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From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Subject: Re: Cut & Paste
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 15:37:23 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.051138.10877@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>
>See, I wasn't trying to frame you. I knew what you said in March but I didn't
>keep the article, so I got no reference. Yet after my accusation,YOU SAID THE
>SAME THING I ACCUSED YOU OF SAYING.

   ed.  give it rest.  so what?  its like "gee.  you didnt use real cedar
   when you shingled your tennis racket covers."

>>the Bird 3ptr was not bogus and not a home job.  
>Then again, is a contradiction, because you know I considered the 3-ptr as
>bogus and you consider it home job.

if you REALLY believe meeks considered the 3-ptr a homejob, i have a bridge...

>Of course, the implementation of all calls are judgement (visual and mental) 
>of the refs. Name one that isn't. If so, then all calls can go either way. 
>
>>There are almost no "black and white" calls in basketball.  It is still left
            ^^^^^^
>>to the judgement of the ref.  
>Your definition of judgment call and calls that could go either way means
>there is never any bogus/bad calls in sports. 
>
       Ed!  you've finally got it!!  well, meeks said "almost"

  for every call there will be those that see it as a bad call and those
  that see it as a good call.  all calls are bogus and no calls are bogus!

>"Just that what you considered bogus was nothing more than home jobs
>that happen everywhere". Admission of "home job".

     which he defines in a different way than you do, and that is the crux
  of this argument.  semantical arguments cannot be won by either side.
>
>"in the history of the game, 7 bad calls in favor of the Celtics vs 3 against
>... Hmmm, sounds conclusive to me". Admission of "bad call".

 you might be the only one on the net to see that in that statement.
>
>"So in your context, since over the last few years, you can name as many
>as 2 3pt incidences, that is proof enough for you that the league is in
>the Celtics pocket and the refs give the Celtics all the calls". Admission
>of the 2 3-ptrs as calls the refs gave.

   no admission.  he just says you can name them, it doesnt mean he thinks
   they are so.
>
>                                          Edward Lor

- nate, with an ed.lor.DA file 390057 bytes big and growing every day!
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From: davet@mozart.amd.com (David L. Tetreault)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Spurs sign Stewart
Keywords: Spurs, Bullets
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:49:59 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <1992Jul24.170253.25585@microsoft.com> paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode) writes:
>The Spurs have signed Washington Bullets' restricted
>free agent forward Larry Stewart ...
>... the roster is
>
>C Robinson 
>  Green *
RELEASED>  Copa
>  
>F Elliott
>  Carr
>  Stewart
>
>G Anderson 
>  Ellis
>  Daniels 
RELEASED>  V. Johnson *
>  Sutton * 
>
>* These players are on the cusp. In the absence of anyone
>else to back up Robinson, they'll probably keep Green. Also, note
>the open roster spot even with all three staying on.
>
>Paul
>
>that there are two roster spots open.

Both Copa and VJ are gone, Tark is looking at a bunch of old UNLV grads in his
  camps, so who knows who the Spurts will look like!

PS The two releases were reported by the local rag.  Copa was a stiff but VJ
   suprised me.

davet
From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: 1988 "Dream" (nightmare) Team
Date: 26 Jul 92 23:36:22 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

I know about half of the team that a sorry excuse for a coach picked for the
1988 Olympic team, but I can't come up with the rest. Here's what I know:
David Robinson
"Thunder" Dan Majerle
Hersey Hawkins
Danny Manning
Bimbo Coles
Stacey Augmon
Mitch Richmond
And some guy who played for G'town in the early 1980's

If you know of any others, please post them for me.

					       Rick Milleman
From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Laettner vs Barkley
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:12:51 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1992Jul29.201603.29192@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com>, robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese) writes:
>Get the story right - Tree Rollins teeth.  Ainge was the one getting bit.

Oh, I'm sorry, I meant Scottie Pippen's shove.......:-)

--Rob
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Pistons Hatred
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:42:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.075931.2198@inland.com>
bloom@inland.com writes:
 
>
>In article <BILLMS.92Jul13142751@z.eecs.umich.edu>, billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>>       <1992Jul11.035643.22464@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>
>> Sender: news@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Mr. News)
>> Organization: University of Michigan
>> Lines: 23
>> In-Reply-To: skprimus@tartarus.uwa.edu.au's message of Sat, 11 Jul 1992 03:56:43 GMT
>>
>> In article <1992Jul11.035643.22464@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> skprimus@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Siu Kai Ho) writes:
>>
>>    EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>>
>>       Sorry.....
>>      Let me ask a stupid question: Why do so many players hate Bill
>>    Laimbeer?
 
Hold it! I never said that! Nor will I!
 
>
>
>Because he's an a**hole!  Numerous examples of his poor behavior will
>follow.
 
And I'll bet none of them occurred in the last season!
Maybe you can dig up something Rick Mahorn or Bill Cartwright did
and attribute it to Lam!
 
--Eric
From: vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Rex vs. Tom (was Re: Hornets B-ball)
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:05:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Jul21.230512.14037
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Jul21.063343.15490@menudo.uh.edu>, st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui) writes:
> In article <92202.084501JGARLITZ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, JGARLITZ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>>The Hornets were a center away from being a team that would compete in
>>the playoffs.  Now with Alonzo Mourning as their center, the Hornets are
>>the team to watch for the playoffs next year.  I have no doubts that this
>>team with the backup support of Larry Johnson and Rex Chapman will be able
>>to go over the .500 mark next season.
> 
>        Rex Chapman?  I think he was traded to Washington for Tom Hammonds.
> 
> Edward Hui

Yeah... if they hadn't done as well as they did after the trade, I would say
it was a horrible trade. But, Chapman was injured, and though Hammonds wasn't
as strong a player, he also didn't have Chapman's attitude that could have
slowed them down. On the other hand, all Hammonds does is smile a lot, and
in a rather goofy manner too (no offense to anyone), and as a result, 
Hammonds looks like one of the men at the top of the list to be cut to make
room for Mourning et al. With this mighty lineup of Johnson, Gill, Bogues,
Mourning, and (I think either Gattison or Lynch), the Hornets shouldn't have
a problem making the playoffs... Good luck to the team of the future!

-- Venk Reddy --

Born 'n' bred in Georgia and the Carolinas, and damn proud if it too!
Go Hornets, Braves, Falcons, and Gamecocks! :)
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: DT vs. Kukoc
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:51:04 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Jul29.200356.9075@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
>Has anyone other than me been feeling the immense egos of the Dream Team
>and every stupid announcer that's been following them?  It's been totally
>ridiculous.  Every person who's said anything about DT as an analyst
>obviously feels that he is on the team.  And as for the team itself, I
>think only Magic and Stockton aren't looking severely pompous.  Jordan,
>Pippen, Barkley and Malone all have a lot of work to do as far as humility
>goes.

I would through in Bird, Drexler, and Robinson into the Magic/Stockton camp.
They have looked pretty easy-going.  


>
>Personally, I think from what I saw that Toni Kukoc is pretty good.  If
>he switched teams with Pippen, I'm sure he would have looked terrific, and
>Pippen looked horrible as well.  Plus, he probably wouldn't have had two
>shots blocked by an NBA Celtics reject.  What are they sore about anyway?
>Don't they like championship rings?  If I were them, I would welcome Kukoc
>with open arms to Da Bulls instead of letting pride get in the way.  If
>they are mad at anyone, it should be Jerry Krause...after all Kukoc isn't
>the one who was doing anything.

What I saw of Kukoc was a raw player, who due to his raw skills alone was
able to garner praise from the European players, who are way behind when it
comes to players his size with his touch.  However, I think he is very raw.
I don't think he is that close to being able to play in the NBA, yet...  
At 6'10 or so, he has good mobility, but is a little soft.  He has good 
hands and good vision, but his shot looked suspect.  His defense was also
pretty poor, he didn't move his feet.  But, he has the skills that could
help him make it.  However, 3 million/year, and he rejected it???  He may
be worth $500,000, but he is a project player at best.  Playing in Europe
makes him look better than he really is.  He apparantly hasn't played all that
great in the tournament so far, even against the other teams.  He fouled out
in Croatia's first game with little contribution.

As for Pippen looking horrible???  What game were you watching???  He dominated
Kukoc, while scoring very well himself, and getting about 10 assists.  
Pippen looked worth his pay, Kukoc didn't. 
-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
From: dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: USA v Angola
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:01:07 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

>It is safe to say that NO ONE beat out Charles Barkley for a spot on 
>the `84 team.  He and Coach Bobby Knight had personality differences.
>The daily reports on the tryouts described several scrimmages going on
>simultanously in the IU gym.  Suddenly there would be a THUNDEROUS DUNK,
>stopping play on ALL the courts so the players could see who had made 
>the play.  These thunder dunks were by Sir Charles.  Sportswriters that 
>had been covering the tryouts all reported that Knight once again proved
>himself to be a ------ (you can fill in the blank).  Knight has certainly
>done this many times in his career and this was no exception.
>
>I don't know the story on the Mailman.
>
>Jim
>jimcar@lmc.com


Barkley said himself that he was only there to improve in the draft. He
didn't really want to make the team. Knight knew this, knew that he didn't
need a headcase (someone who doesn't care about the team) on the squad. So,
No Barkley. Barkley only regretted it later, when he realized that he passed up
a great opertunity ( a gold medal). Even Barkley said that Knight made the right
choice....

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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Enough
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:39:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Jul28.183611.14407@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.144855.7241@ll.mit.edu> nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) writes:
>>>1) The bogus call was called with 2-ish seconds left. If you want to count
>>>   bogus calls with N seconds left in the game, there should be a recount for
>>>   Boston, including when the score was tied, the phantom foul on Danny Boy
>>   i thought we were not listing fouls...
>I thought we were not listing any calls before the buzzer either .....
>
>>>Even if (notice the hypothesis) that's a start, you still only get ONE.
>>me?  i'm trying to help you.
>Really? My claim was that such after-buzzer bogus calls  are in the 
>Celtics favor. Listing such a call in the Lakers' favor is NOT helping
>me. As a matter of fact, if you can list a few such calls for EVERY TEAM,
>then you can support Meeks' case of "home jobs that happen everywhere ...."

So are we to know assume that your new definition of "home job" are nothing
but "last second 3 ptr shots that should only be 2pt shots that help the 
home team win"??  In that case, you are right.   I can't name "last second
3ptr shots that should only be 2pt shots that help the home team win", ala
your new home job definition, for every team...
-- 
David T. Meeks                    ||" We are jigsaw pieces, aligned on the 
VMark Software, Inc.              ||  perimeter edge, 
uvmark!davem@merk.com             ||  interlocked through a missing piece"
davem%uvmark@merk.com             ||" ...This world is totally Fugazi"
From: ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: 1990 Goodwill Games team (explain this one to me)
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:54:19 GMT
Organization: Wavefront Technologies Inc, Santa Barbara, CA
X-Disclaimer: Not a spokesperson for Wavefront Technologies, Inc.

In article <Bs2EtE.L23@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	Here is the roster of the 1990 Goodwill games team.  Someone explain
							     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	to me how this team went only 3-2 and lost to Yugoslavia and
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	the USSR team by 6 & 7 respectively.  Team roster:
>
>	Billy Owens, Syracuse
>	Alonzo Mourning, Georgetown
>	Christian Laettner, Duke
        .
	.
>	Bobby Hurley, Duke
>

Reason: They didn't have the Shaq-man. How could they have missed him
out? Didn't he average 25+ pts, 15+ rebs, 5+ blocks or something 
that season?
-- 
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Ravi N. Raj					ravi@wti.com