HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: How DECUS does business (Was Re: EXECUTION of
From: kaplan@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Steve... friends don't let friends do DOS.)
Date: 23 Dec 1992 16:42 MST  
 <18DEC199216352895@rover.uchicago.edu> <1992Dec21.084345@mccall.com>
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
Keywords: Don't dump NOTES
Summary: NEWS->NOTES / NOTES->NEWS
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

I believe that NOTES (DECUServe) and NEWS serve two slightly different
modes of dealing with the flow of information.  Both are slightly
difficient in my mind, but not having the time/$ to invent the "ultimate"
solution - I suggest that NEWS to NOTEs and NOTES to NEWS gateways might be
the best answer.  I hear that DEC has such beasts inside and I have
actually seen one work (well, sort of work - some important configuration
information was apparently hard coded).  Along with mail-based file servers
for those who can't do FTP, this would seem to be the best of all worlds.

RayK 8)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: How DECUS does business (Was Re: EXECUTION of
From: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:43:45 CST
Reply-To: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: tp


In article <18DEC199216352895@rover.uchicago.edu>, frank@rover.uchicago.edu
(Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger) writes:
>	Your answer provides a beautiful example. You want the NEWS version
>	because you have access. If we do that we gore the users without a news
>	feed. 

If you provide it via news, you've not taken anything away from anyone else that
the had before. This sounds like a case of "misery loves company". "If I can't
have it, you can't either". News is the most accessible alternative, but as I
said before, why stop at one alternative? Look at it this way, by your standards
you are goring all the users _with_ a news feed.

>(Personally I feel most for the little guys, who can't read news
>	and FTP to 47 godzillion other places to get the latest software.)

UUCP is free. If you are fortunate enough to be near a usenet site that will let
you connect, news is available for the cost of a modem. MANY sites are in fact
fortunate in this manner (including mine). News basically costs me a modem and
disk space. No connect charges, unlike DECUServe. And since everything is
delivered here at modem speed, the line is up much less time than if I had to
read it on-line, so if I did have to pay LD, news would be a big win. And news
is often available via a local call, whereas DECUServe is available to very few
people as a local call.

If you really feel for us little guys, dump notes and shift everything to news.
BTW, I'm talking about DECUServe rather than DCS here, because (a) all the same
arguments apply, and (b) DCS isn't available at any cost to lots of the "little
guys".
--
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(uucp: ...!rutgers!depot!mccall!tp)          615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in KS (913)776-4041           Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: How DECUS does business (Was Re: EXECUTION of
From: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:19:20 CST
Reply-To: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
  <1992Dec22.163158.26676@tin.monsanto.com> <1992Dec22.125325.1076@beckman.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: tp


In article <1992Dec22.125325.1076@beckman.com>, dsroberts@beckman.com writes:
>So, neither of you listed the library as one of the products of DECUS you use?
>>Ah, connectivity :-)

Oversight. I've ordered CD's from the library, and will again when I've actually
got time to go through the stuff on them. I've suggested in the past that a
subscription for the CD collections would be a big win, because I'd only have to
justify it once. It'd be about $200 per year, which is less than we pay for the
Digital Reference Service, and I'm sure I'd get more out of it. As it is now, my
purchases are curtailed by the fact that I always forget to do it, or don't have
time. :-(

Also, I've gotten DECUS tapes through LUGS, which is a service of both the
libraries and the LUGS, so I guess I can't say I haven't gotten _anything_ out
of the LUGS. :-)
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Terry Poot <tp@mccall.com>                   The McCall Pattern Company
(uucp: ...!rutgers!depot!mccall!tp)          615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in KS (913)776-4041           Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
From: kaplan@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Steve... friends don't let friends do DOS.)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: speaker recognition
Summary: Some do it now
Keywords: Speaker thanks
Date: 31 Dec 92 20:39:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>In article <1992Dec29.011829.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au writes...
>>In article <18DEC199212464205@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov>, tencati@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov  writes:
>>> In article <1992Dec16.135829.29641@umbc3.umbc.edu>, themos@umbc5.umbc.edu (Mr. Themos Pentakalos; ADMIN-COMP) writes...
>>>>Hello everyone.
>>>>I was wondering if all the hundreds of speakers that come to DECUS
>>>>to present their ideas, get some type of recognition. (eg. a "thank-you"
>>>>letter, a certificate of participation, etc.)
> ...
>>> I don't know which sessions you gave, but I know my SIG (Security) 
>>> routinely gives such recognition, but unless you're a Seminar 
>>> presenter, you have to ask for the letter.
>>Maybe this could be changed so all symposium presenters get a letter of thanks
>>as SOP. This would result in a single letter, rather than several for speakers
>>who give talks for several SIGS. cc the boss on request.
>>~Paul

SOME do it now.  I speak at DECUS to the exclusion of my sanity.  As a
very frequent speaker, I get lots of these "thanks" letters.  For instance,
Debbie Newkirk (EDUSIG Symposia Rep for the U.S. Chapter) ALWAYS sends a
personal note on DECUS stationary (even though she knows that I have no
boss to impress - I'm an independent).  This is because Debbie is a
consumate professional in what she does (I know, since I have worked for
her in "real life").

On the international front, I even get GREETING CARDS from some Chapters -
plus, of course - personal notes of thanks from everyone from the Chapter
administrator on down to the SIG chairs.  An amazing difference between
this and what I experience in the U.S. Chapter of DECUS.  Yes, jeeves -
there are other DECUS chapters besides the U.S. one.

RayK 8)
From: gavron@spades.aces.com (Ehud Gavron 602-570-2000 x. 2546)
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
Subject: Re: EXECUTION of DECUS Standards
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:56:00 GMT
Reply-To: gavron@ACES.COM
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: ACES Consulting Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Dec20.120808.4720@spcvxb.spc.edu>, killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu 
(Jeff Killeen) babbles...
# 
#Another nice mature, well thought out, professional response.

Thanks!

#Ehud I have heard about your non-professional contributions

BZZT, the VAX Magic thing has been discussed to death, and your
ridiculous comments just prove how out of touch you are again.

#your behavior managed to offend...just about every female present.

See, that's the representative-sample logic that DECUS MC has been
using to concoct its ridiculous approval statistics this year.
Sorry, but two complaints out of 2,500 laughing screaming audience
members does not equate to a representative sample.  (I guess the
'every female' that left with me, as well as the 'every female' I
talked to afterward were just not part of the 'every female' that
you surveyed personally.)

#Frankly, I have been pleasantly surprised by your absence

Yes, you OPEN MINDED people hate it when some one offers counter-opinions.

#I also will now be joining that group of folks who will be ignoring you

Ah yes, so the DECUS MC representative Killeen will hear all BUT me.
I feel great that my representatives are closed minded children.

#Any idiot can stand on a street corner a shout names at anyone who walks by.

Now that you've realized it, perhaps you will stop.

Jeff, your ineptitude as a speaker of brevity and your incompetence as a
DECUS leader, your CLOSED-MINDED unwillingness to listen to your 
constituency (look it up Jeff, it's only five syllables), your 
UTTER DISREGARD for what DECUS members want, and your inability to
understand that asking two or three close friends how they feel does
not in any way represent the society  -- THAT is why you're out of
touch with reality.


#-- Jeff Killeen - DECUS U.S. Chapter NLC Chair |Email:killeen@eisner.decus.org 
# 
#DECUS is for folks who are responsible for delivering computing technology.
#The NLC is the national council for DECUS's Local User Groups - come join us!

The MC is the place for those who are qualified to lead DECUS.
Eliminate Jeff Killeen and others who won't listen but just drone.

Ehud

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Ehud Gavron        (EG76)     
gavron@vesta.sunquest.com
What UNIVERSE is this, please??
Newsgroups: comp.org.decus
From: lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: EXECUTION of DECUS Standards
Organization: DSC
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:28:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.150244.4707@spcvxb.spc.edu>, killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen) writes:
> 
(Incredibly long and boring diatribe deleted)

I may be making assumptions, but I'll bet I'm speaking for the huge majority
of DECUS members when I say that I don't give a rat's tail about what jobs
the MC members hold, or whether they are out of touch, or whether Di and
Charles will ever get back together.

As a Decus member (true, I have a DCS account, but, gosh, I think I'm still
_in touch_ as the saying goes) my major concern is _What does DECUS provide
me that is of value_? I'll be honest, DECUS representation on standards
committees is NOT one of the benefits of the organization. Oh, excuse me, I
accidentally got onto the subject in the subject line....

I don't believe DECUS can afford to send people all over North America and
the world any more. DECUS, like DEC itself, got fat during the boom years,
but now someone has to pay the piper. Let's look at what I as Joe Member get
from DECUS:

1. As a normal member, I can attend LUG meetings and get information there.
   That's where the majority of information should be, since many of the
   people at a LUG meeting can never attend a symposium. From what I've
   seen, LUGs are left to fend for themselves, and many don't do well at it.

2. As a normal member, I can attend the national symposia. Trouble is, 
   registration is now well over $600, and symposia are at high-dollar
   hotels in high-dollar cities. Please forego the arguments about accomodating
   a zillion attendees, negotiated rates, etc. It's a simple fact that a
   symposium now runs about $1600 to attend. This explains why attendance
   is going down. There is good information at a symposium, and the DEC
   presence has always made it worthwhile. But it's expensive.

3. Hmmm. Can't think of anything else I get out of DECUS. DECUServe, I guess.
   And I can buy cute novelty items with the DECUS logo.

I really don't know what percs the Leadership gets, but from what I've
read, it's lots of trips to lots of exotic places. It's lots of food and
drink, etc. And it's a lot of pie-in-the-sky "planning" while the lower
leadership does the dirty work.  Even then, the leadership
never actually goes to sessions at national symposia.

I believe that DECUS needs to have regional symposia, complete with DEC
representation, at a substantially reduced cost. Some way of facilitating
information exchange without the enormous scale of a national symposium.
The demo area is cute, but not essential. Sessions are important. Perhaps
the national DECUS symposium folks and the LUG folks could get together and
do such I thing...

But from the bickering I've been reading in this newsgroup, I have my doubts!
From: maguire@cs.columbia.edu (Gerald Q. Maguire)
Subject: IEEE conference CD-ROM
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: comp.org.ieee
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:47:48 GMT

Does any one know the specs on the DWIMAGE format used in the recent
CD-ROM of the "Proceedings of the 14th Annual International Conference
of the IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society"?

Sadly all of the software on the disk is designed for use on a PC and
there is no description of the data format used for the images of the
pages. The authors, title, abstract, page numbers, etc. is readable in
a file called IEEE.TXT. It contains a field:
	_IMGL = \EBMS.CD\TRCtracknumber\pagenumber:pagecount

where tracknumber, pagenumber, pagecount and numbers.

I hope to read it on an HP workstation. Any hints?

Thanks,
Chip
Newsgroups: comp.org.ieee
From: jberman@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Jesse Berman)
Subject: Looking for information on EDI
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:46:10 GMT
Distribution: comp
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hello.  I'm looking for any available information on EDI (Electronic
Data Interchange).  That's about the extent I know about it; I'm told
it is an international standard file format (which explains why I'm
posting here).  Please, could anyone point me in the right direction?
If you have any information, please e-mail me: jberman@cs.oberlin.edu.
Thank you very much.
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From: michelle@itek.norut.no (Michelle R. Koblas)
Newsgroups: comp.org.ieee
Subject: Re: Member Services
Summary: Thanks!
Date: 30 Dec 92 10:20:27 GMT
Expires: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:00:00 GMT
Organization: Norut Research Group, Norway

In article <C00LMo.4HF@itek.norut.no> michelle@emma.itek.norut.no (Michelle R. Koblas) writes:
>
>Does anyone know if there's a reliable way to get ahold of IEEE by
>e-mail??  I'm trying to find out some information about my membership
>and so far, mail to membership.services@ieee.org has only resulted in
>an automatic reply (about three weeks ago!).

Thanks to everyone who replied to this message!  I received a very
prompt reply from someone at IEEE with a person to contact and a great
response from her!

Michelle

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NORUT Information Technology A.S. 
NORUT Research Group		      Phone: +47 (83) 80 150
N-9005 Tromsoe NORWAY		      FAX:   +47 (83) 82 420
Newsgroups: comp.org.ieee
From: oxenreid@chaos.cs.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Member Services
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 13:35:26 GMT

In <C00LMo.4HF@itek.norut.no> michelle@emma.itek.norut.no (Michelle R. Koblas) writes:

>Hello!

>Does anyone know if there's a reliable way to get ahold of IEEE by
>e-mail??  I'm trying to find out some information about my membership
>and so far, mail to membership.services@ieee.org has only resulted in
>an automatic reply (about three weeks ago!).

>E-mail replies preferred.  Thanks.

>Michelle

I saw a post in here some time ago from Wayne Amacher.  He posted
an address of info.membership@ieee.org.  The post was dated Nov 5,  
1992.   As with wane, I hope this helps.
__chris__
.

Newsgroups: comp.org.ieee
From: michelle@emma.itek.norut.no (Michelle R. Koblas)
Subject: Member Services
Organization: Norut Research Group, Norway
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 09:42:23 GMT

Hello!

Does anyone know if there's a reliable way to get ahold of IEEE by
e-mail??  I'm trying to find out some information about my membership
and so far, mail to membership.services@ieee.org has only resulted in
an automatic reply (about three weeks ago!).

E-mail replies preferred.  Thanks.

Michelle

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Newsgroups: comp.org.ieee
From: dichter@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Carl Dichter)
Subject: Re: Looking for information on EDI
Organization: Motorola ASIC Division, Chandler AZ
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:30:20 GMT

In article <JBERMAN.92Dec30024610@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>, jberman@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Jesse Berman) writes:
>Hello.  I'm looking for any available information on EDI (Electronic
>Data Interchange).  That's about the extent I know about it; I'm told
>it is an international standard file format (which explains why I'm
>posting here).  Please, could anyone point me in the right direction?
>If you have any information, please e-mail me: jberman@cs.oberlin.edu.
>Thank you very much.

I'm posting the answer so others can benefit (or correct it, if I've
got something wrong).


There is a mailing list about EDI. Here is the information I have:
EDI-L%UCCVMA.BITNET@VM1.NODAK.EDU
 
   Mailing list for discussion of Electronic Data Interchange issues.  The
   list will discuss electronic transmission and receipt of business
   documentation including purchase orders, invoices, payment, academic
   transcripts, standardized test scores.  ANSI X12 and international EDIFACT
   standards will also be discussed.
 
   Monthly archives will be maintained; contact the Coordinator for access
   information.
 
   BitNet users can subscribe by sending the following command to
   LISTSERV@UCCVMA via mail or interactive message:
      SUB EDI-L your_full_name
   where "your_full_name" is your name.  For example:
      SUB EDI-L Joan Doe
   Non-BitNet subscribers can join by sending the above command to
   LISTSERV%UCCVMA.BITNET@VM1.NODAK.EDU.
 
   Coordinator: Richard Hintz <SPGRJH%UCCVMA.BITNET@VM1.NODAK.EDU>

The addresses may be out of date: I think that Richard Hintz 
current (non-bitnet) email address is: uunet!uccvma.ucop.edu!OPSRJH

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Motorola ASIC Division
email: dichter@chdasic.sps.mot.com
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Newsgroups: comp.org.sug
From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Missing Papers from SUG '92
Organization: The World
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:01:56 GMT


Dwight et al: If you point me at the papers I will be glad to also
make them all available for anonymous FTP in world.std.com's Online
Book Initiative area (obi/).

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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Newsgroups: comp.org.sug
From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: SUG Summary?
Organization: The World
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:09:12 GMT


From: fgreco@shearson.com (Frank Greco)
>Does anyone have any highlights/lowlights of the 1992 SUG conference?

Nothing official, but I'll take a stab from a board member's
informal perspective:

The overall conference attendence was the highest since 1990 (which
was our highest ever), almost double 1991. That would be around 3500
total attendees (this includes exhibition attendees) vs. around 4000
in 1990 and 2000 (?) in 1991.

There were 105 vendors exhibiting at the show, comments were very
positive and many signed up for next year from the floor.

Sun was noticeably absent, something which infuriated at least some of
the vendors on the floor. Sun did have a listening booth on the floor
but not much else.

Sun cited budgetary constraints repeatedly as the reason, let's hope
they can straighten out their financial problems and manage to make it
8 miles down the road next year. At the open board meeting SunPro
claimed their budget was too tight to accept even the free booth SUG
offered them, so things must be very tight over there!

As usual I was dragged into so much SUG business I didn't get to many
technical talks though I hear they went well. Rob Gingell and company
from the SunOS group did their annual Developer's Panel. I know that
was well attended (as usual) because around 9PM I got a frantic call
that they had run out of beer, a problem which we quickly fixed.

Perhaps someone can summarize Steve Bourne and Rob Kolstad's talks?

Michael Tiemann of Cygnus, Inc and GCC/G++ fame gave a very
interesting and entertaining lunchtime talk on how Cygnus has built a
very successful business supporting "free" software and what that
might mean to the industry and the rest of us.

Your turn...

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.org.sug
From: gsk@world.std.com (Geoffrey S Knauth)
Subject: Free Software Workshop, Moscow, 4/19-23
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 14:20:38 GMT

	     CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PAPERS

   There is a conference on Free Software taking place in Moscow,
Russia, April 19-23, 1993.

   The conference is hosted by SUUG, the Society of Unix User Groups
(formerly the Soviet Unix Users Group), the Russian Center for Systems
Programming, the Russian Chapter of the Free Software Foundation, and
the International Center for Scientific and Technical Information.

   Participant specialists are coming from North America, Europe and
Japan.  We have just learned that Richard Stallman, founder of the
Free Software Foundation, and recipient of the ACM Admiral Grace
Hopper Award and MacArthur Fellowship, will attend.

   The main topics of the Workshop include:
   - the current state of the GNU project and other FSF projects;
   - "free" software means information freedom and sharing;
   - free software portability in Open Systems environments;
   - user experiences with free software;
   - free software in education and training;
   - legal aspects of free software;
   - relevance of free software to NIS modernization and democracy;
   - how NIS scientists can contribute to free software.

   Concurrent with the conference, there will be a small exhibition
demonstrating free software in a networked heterogeneous environment.

   The conference encourages submissions of original designs, papers
and ideas, and it welcomes the participation of computer and software
companies.

   In the past, a conference of this kind has drawn 120-140 attendees
from within the former Soviet Union, including 20-30 computer
specialists, 60-80 enthusiasts, 20-30 persons from the commercial
sector and members of the public.  This year the turnout is expected
to be larger, because there is great interest in free software among
all kinds of programmers and users.

   The precise location of the conference will be announced in the
coming months.

   For further information, you may contact any of the following
members of the program committee:

Name                        Telephone            E-mail
--------------------------  -----------------    ----------------------
Moscow
  Sergei Kuznetsov (Chair)  +7 (095) 272-4425    kuz@ivann.delta.msk.su
  Peter Brusilovski         +7 (095) 198-7055    plb@plb.icsti.su
  Dmitry Volodin            +7 (095) 231-2129    dvv@hq.demos.su
Boston
  Geoffrey S. Knauth        +1 (617) 891-5555    gsk@marble.com

   Please send proposals for participation, paper abstracts and texts
via e-mail to the Chair <kuz@ivann.delta.msk.su>.

-- 
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