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Subject: ==> Five City Mayors Set Record Straight on Bush-Cities Relations
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 16 Oct 1992 16:26:02 CDT
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Subject: C/G MAYORS OF FIVE MAJOR CITIES SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT

 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
 OCTOBER 16, 1992

        MAYORS OF FIVE MAJOR CITIES SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ON
   PRESIDENT BUSH'S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE NATION'S MAYORS AND CITIES

 Mayors of five major cities called on George Bush today to make good
 on his rhetoric and meet to discuss economic problems with the mayors
 of the nations's big cities.

 The mayors took exception to George Bush's remark during the first
 presidential debate that "the mayors of the big cities...came to me,
 and they unanimously said the decline in urban American stems from
 the decline in the American family."

 The five mayors  --  Raymond Flynn of Boston,  Richard Daley of
 Chicago, Michael White of Cleveland,  Jerry Abramson of Louisville,
 and Norm Rice of Seattle  -- noted that since George Bush has been in
 office, the U.S. Conference of Mayors invited President Bush on six
 occasions to address the mayors of the nation's largest cities.  On
 only one occasion, in January 1990 did President Bush agree to
 address the mayors.  He has declined all invitations since 1990.  If
 substantive meetings were held, the mayors said they would want to
 discuss hard economic problems, not family values.

 "The White House has shut the door in the face of America's mayors in
 its refusal to meet with the mayors to discuss the recession," Flynn
 said.  "The fact that we have double-digit unemployment rates in
 major cities like New York and Los Angeles proves that this
 Administration has totally failed to address the most basic problems
 of the American economy," he added.

 In an August 4, 1991 letter to the President, Mayor Flynn, then
 President of the U.S. Conference of Mayors offered a briefing by
 Democratic and Republican mayors on "the need for a renewed national
 urban agenda."  Later that month, 32 leading mayors requested a
 bipartisan meeting with the President "to work for balanced and
 affordable, but real solutions to the terrible problems affecting so
 many millions of our citizens, particularly working families and
 needy individuals."

 "It is time to set the Bush-Quayle team straight: It is their lack of
 leadership, their lack of concern for what is happening to American
 families that has led to the crisis," said Mayor Abramson.

 "Even after the crisis in Los Angeles," Abramson added, "Bush and
 Quayle failed to act.  While they endorsed enterprise zones,
 President Bush is threatening to veto the legislation setting up such
 zones."
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: The Media Monopoly (part 14 of 14)
Keywords: treachery trickery deceit deception
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:48:56 GMT


On the subject of "Media Monoloply", isn't interesting that we as a people
won't tolerate censorship by the government, but we blindly accet the
privately-run media doing almost the same thing??  Look at the way
entertainment is "controled".  Is certain music popular because we like it
or because MTV has told us it is?? The ratings data on tv shows is sometimes
way out of synch with public opinion of those sows.   Now take a look at the
way issues and events are covered by the news media.  For example, there is
a serious lack of coverage of our space program.  This is said to be due to
the fact that shuttle flights are routine, but are they routine because we're
tired of hearing about it or has the media taught us to be "bored" with it?











Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Re: Green peace [con]fusion
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:01:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.035551.5239@pony.Ingres.COM> rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner) writes:
>[Re: nuclear fusion] The obvious ignorance from the green peacers
>about the subject is unattractive- but the disgusting fact is that
>this ignorance sure didn't stop them from damming it.

No surprise.  Back in those heady first few days after the Pons &
Fleishman announcement, when it seemed that fusion in a jar and a Mr.
Fusion powering every car was within reach, noted lepidopterist and
all-around hysteric Paul Erlich wrote an editorial which appeared in a
number of papers, including the San Jose Mercury News, in which he
condemned the discovery.

Erlich may or may not be a GreenPeace member, but he's certainly
got the mindset down pat.
-- 
Mike Van Pelt                          Here lies a Technophobe,
mvp@netcom.com                            No whimper, no blast.
mvp@hsv3.lsil.com                      His life's goal accomplished,
                                          Zero risk at last.
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.save.the.earth,alt.politics.elections,misc.headlines,alt.politics.clinton
From: harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator)
Subject: TRADE NEWS: Media Invents Mexican "Support" for NAFTA
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: daemon@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: misc.activism.progressive on UseNet ; ACTIV-L@UMCVMB
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:55:31 GMT

...Just posted to misc.activism.progressive...


From: harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator)
Organization: misc.activism.progressive on UseNet ; ACTIV-L@UMCVMB
Subject: TRADE NEWS: Media Invents Mexican "Support" for NAFTA
--text follows this line--

    "The group also mentioned a new survey by the independent Mexican
    Institute of Public Opinion which finds Mexicans pretty evenly
    split over the deal.  Fifty percent of the poll's respondents said
    they did not think the government acted appropriately in seeking
    NAFTA compared to 48 percent who approved."
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    At this point, an objective of the EC and US could be to come
    CLOSE..TO completing the talks .. before the end of the year.
    Such an announcement would allow both sides to promote the
    agreement without having to release potentially unpopular details
    before the election [..] This weekend's talks are shrouded by such
    secrecy that it has not been announced where the talks will take
    place nor how long they will last [..]

[...]
Xref: sparky alt.activism:17533 alt.politics.elections:17208 alt.news-media:1492
From: jimkalb@dorsai.com (Jim Kalb)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: The Decline of America: "Strong Family Values"
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:11:22 GMT
Organization: The Dorsai Embassy +1.718.729.5018
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

bg055@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stewart Rowe) writes:
: 
: A citizen in the back of the room piped up,
: "Family values is about teaching your children to love God.
: It's got nothing to do with economics."
:  
: My question is, if this citizen is correct, what business
: is it of the government to get involved in "family values"?
: Do the Republicans really mean the publicm(especially the Bible Belt
: Christian adherents) to believe that they would take action to
: help/force the teaching of this kind of family values? 

By "family values" I understand support for small-scale traditional or 
informal social structures rather than big bureaucratic structures (like 
the government) as the things people rely on to realize the goods and 
deal with the problems that they find in life.  So the government can't 
do that much that directly to promote family values -- it's hard for a 
big, rich, powerful bureaucracy to induce people to rely on things other 
than itself.

The government can try to avoid undermining family values, though.  For 
example, to the extent the government gets involved in raising children 
(by running a public school system, for example) what the government 
teaches can be at least consistent with those values.  So to that extent 
I would expect that the Republicans do want family values (e.g., if not a 
particular religion, then at least respect for religion in general) to 
be taught.  A lot of Republicans favor a constitutional amendment to allow
prayers in public schools, for example.  Others take a dim view of 
curricula that depict the traditional family (father, mother and kids)
as only one of many equally valid options.

I myself don't see what any of this has to do with Ayatollahism.  If the
government is going to get involved in what people call "private life"
(for example, by trying to mold the attitudes of young people toward 
sexual matters through education) I don't see why Bible Belters shouldn't 
have as much of a right to try to determine the content of that involvement
as Dr. Ruth or anyone else.
Xref: sparky alt.activism:17454 alt.discrimination:4545 alt.individualism:5775 alt.politics.bush:9040 alt.politics.clinton:10257 alt.politics.marrou:1604
From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.discrimination,alt.individualism,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.marrou
Subject: Perot's "Platform" Posted to the Usenet
Summary: I encourage everybody to read it.
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:53:01 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


Perot's detailed stand on many issues was posted today in four parts to the
following newsgroups:

     alt.politics.perot
     alt.politics.elections
     talk.politics.misc

Subject: Perots Economic Plan


It apparently was excerpted from his best-selling book.  It is fairly long
when the four parts are combined, over 170K.  I'll admit that I am not sure
that the poster (it was not me) had permission to post this to Usenet, but
the "damage" has been done.  I'm sure Perot would like his views disseminated
to as large of an audience as possible, and the electronic ether is one of
Perot's more favored means of communication, bypassing the interpretation and
vagaries of the Press (tm).


Note:  I'm posting this notification here since Perot touches upon issues
pertinent to this newsgroup.


*****************************************************************************
IF (note the 'if') you cannot access the above newsgroups, I can e-mail the
document to you - just send me your request.  Please share it with others.
*****************************************************************************

Carefully read this document before deciding on who you will vote for
President come Election Day.  And of course, get off your kaziski (a.k.a.
butt) and VOTE!

Jon Noring

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the average coal miner did in 1949, adjusted for taxes and inflation," John
Sestina, nationally recognized Certified Financial Planner;  quoted in 1987.

------->   VOTE FOR PEROT IN '92
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.activism.d,alt.consipracy,alt.security,misc.legal,misc.progressive,soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.misc
From: dickia@rpi.edu (Andrew B. Dickinson)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: TOBACCO ADVERTISEMENTS ON TV?
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:39:43 GMT
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

I don't agree with tobacco companies at all... 

I think smoking is really horrible and I applaud any attempt by
government to curb it... of course, since the tobacco companies have a
good deal of political pull, I doubt smoking will ever decline...

My reasoning goes like this:  smoking is extremely harmful to one's
health.  Period.  The majority of smokers refuse to acknowledge this
and insist and excercising their "right" to smoke wherever they
please.  I don't think anyone has the right to smoke around me. EVER.
Yet, people seem to do it all the time...

By the way... I'm an ex-smoker, so I do know what it's like to be
addicted... BUT... I don't think that gives people the right to smoke
around me and endanger my health.

Also, I think the tobacco companies are just inherently evil.  There
have been numerous reports on how they target children with various
ads to get they smoking by the time they are teens.  It's just evil!
I mean, selling someone a useless product is one thing -- selling them
something that they will become addicted to and die from using is
another.  

I resent the fact that the tobacco industry has snagged many of my
closest friends.  They all want to quit, but are having a very hard
time.  I hate any company that's killing people I love... 

-Andy

Andy Dickinson   [----------------------------] dickia@rpi.edu [{<---+++--->}]
271 Lark St. #3, Albany, NY 12210  [--------] 	(518) 426 - 7907  *#*#*#*#*#*#*
<><><><> This .sig left intentionally uninteresting due to the lack of anything
really clever or unique I could think of to put in its place..... =+=+=+=+=+=+

(Is this on here twice???? Let me know...)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Newsgroups: alt.activism

Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
From: IO20371@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (John 1:42)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Transfer of Blame
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:49:57 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System


     It seems that in the United States today, there is a definite willingness
to pass the buck, or in most cases, the blame.  A good example is the anti-AIDS
movement ACT-UP.  This organization is fond of putting out posters and stickers
and other literature that blames the government for the deaths caused by the
disease AIDS.
     The federal government has tripled the amount it spends on AIDS research
since 1988, and for some reason, this has not satisfied the organization.  Now,
I won't deny that AIDS is a horrible disease and that people are dying every
day from it, but it is not the government's fault for not throwing enough money
at the problem.  Magic Johnson absolutely disgusted me when he dropped out of
the AIDS commission because of what he deemed "lack of support."  Or, in normal
non-political language: "not enough money."
     There is only one way to stop the spread of AIDS, and scientific research
is not it.  The disease has mutated and killed every vaccine that has been
formed to this date, and will probably continue to do so in the future.  By
trying different vaccines all we are doing is forming stronger and stronger
strains of the disease.
     The way to stop the spread of this horrible disease is a change in the way
 that society behaves.  Drug use and promiscuious sex are the leading causes of
 the spread of AIDS, and we have to inform people of this.  Condoms and drug
legalization are not going to stop the disease.  Abstinence and halting of all
drug use will.  It seems to me that ACT-UP is more concerned with a vaccine to
stop the spread of AIDS just so they can experience sex without worrying about
AIDS.
     So don't blame the government, because they are trying.  Change yourselves
because otherwise, this disease will keep growing.
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Springtime for Honecker (part I)
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:40:08 GMT

atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman) writes:

>NEWS RELEASE
>St. Louis, Missouri
>Local Contact: Steve Dasbach, David Carr - 314-330-2018
>October 11, 1992
>1:00 PM CST
>                   LIBERTARIAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE
>                     BARRED FROM C-SPAN INTERVIEW BY
>                           ST. LOUIS POLICE

If what you have posted is true then I suppose it can be verified by
C-SPAN and by the local paper in St. Louis?

>Andre Marrou, who is on the ballot in all 50 states, had been scheduled to
>appear on C-SPAN to discuss his exclusion from this evening's debates.  As
>Marrou and C-SPAN interviewer Geoffrey Baum approached the C-SPAN
>interview studio, they were blocked by St. Louis county police officers.  In
>spite of Mr. Baum's verification of the scheduled interview, and in spite of
>statements by a debate commission member that Mr. Marrou could be
>permitted inside of the police lines, the police officers refused admission.

Jim Del Vecchio
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.censorship,soc.college,talk.politics.misc,alt.atheism
From: cthorne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Thorne)
Subject: Re: High costs of college education
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:22:57 GMT

In article <EeqCZmG00WDJ04V1lE@andrew.cmu.edu> Thomas Omar Smith <ts2a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>: In article <1992Oct1.202819.5067@raven.alaska.edu>
>fsmgs@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Michael Schmahl [Black-Robe Mage])
>writes:
>: >        We are asking you to participate in a nationwide peaceful
>: >demonstration against the high costs of college education.

>:   But note that this is nearly the same as demonstrating FOR more
>:   tax funding for higher education.
>
>This is sadly true, in that its how the politicians will view it.  The
>reason education costs have skyrocketed is because of the continual
>increase in Federal scholarship money.  What happens is, each year, the
>government makes a large amount of money available to pay for need based
>scholarships for underprivileged students.  Well, the best way for a
>college to make a student underprivileged is to increase tuition.  That
>way, they get a bigger part of the government scholarship money for
>their students, and therefore more real money for themselves.  They
>compensate by giving in house scholarships to those students who are not
>getting such federal aid and need money, and by getting more money from
>those who can actually pay.  The net result is that the same students
>attend, but the real amount of money the university receives rises.  And
>those who have to borrow money go deeper into debt.

I would vigorously deny that this is why college costs are rising.  In general,
education costs have been rising over the last 40 years because the people who
do the work have been getting more pay.  When I was a teaching assistant, we
received $1800 for 9 months and paid income taxes and fees on top of this.
Today, the average teaching assistant gets about $9,000 for 9 months, doesn't
pay income tax or fees.  Faculty and administrative costs have gone up at
least as much.

In addition, the regulatory affects on all big businesses and institutions
has caused increases in costs.  Now all buildings on campus must be wheel
chair accessible.  For old buildings on old campuses, this is a substantial
cost.  In the last ten years, the Federal Government decreasing what it paid
to State's for mandated programs has decreased substantially.  In Ohio the
government took most of their shortage away from the Universities.  Ohio State
alone had their budget cut $80 million.  Some of this came by increasing
student fees.  Much of it will come by increasing class sizes and having
more graduate students teach courses that once were taught by faculty.

Any school increasing fees to get more federal money would probably find their
budgets end up even lower still.

Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.politics.elections,alt.activism.d
From: forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona)
Subject: Re: The Decline of America: The Police-State
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: gte
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:50:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.160052.27640@mont.cs.missouri.edu>, harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
> The Decline of America: The Police-State
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> From:         "Lawrence K. Kolodney" <lkk%altdorf.ai.mit.edu>
> From the New York Times, 1/7/91, p. A14:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> SUMMARY:
> 
> ========================================
> More than 1,000,000 in prison in US
> ========================================
> 
>                      People in jail per 100,000:
> 
> (1) U.S.:               426
> (2) South Africa:       333
> (3) Soviet Union:       268
> (*) Europe:             35 to 120
> (*) Asia:               21 to 140
> 
>         In rate, U.S. has 28% more than South Africa;
>         and 59% more than Soviets in prisons.
> 
[much deleted]

One thing these articles *completely* missed is that prisons
in the US are often nicer places to be than the streets of
many large cities around the world.

US prisoners are assured clean sheets, 3 square meals a day,
good medical care, color tv & cable, weight rooms & exercise
facilities, conjugal visits (!), care packages, warmth in
winter and cool in summer.  Hell, US prisoners live better
than half the people in the world!

When there is little reason to avoid prison and not a lot of 
reason to stay out of prison, people tend to do the things 
that get you sent to prison.

You cannot have a kinder and gentler nation by being nicer
to violent criminals.  If we ever get back to the point 
where violence earns you a living hell for 15 years, we'll
see our crime rates and prison populations drop.

Eliminating the criminal profits from over-priced drugs 
will also reduce crime and prison populations: this can
be achieved by simply legalizing drugs -- you'll eliminate
the pushers' benefits in getting people hooked on drugs and
you'll remove the ability of the gangs to buy $700 pistols.

-- 
"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street with
no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy.  However, 4 out of 5 US murders are 
committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?"   -  Andrew Ford
gtephx!forda@enuucp.eas.asu.edu  OR  !uunet!samsung!romed!enuucp!gtephx!forda


Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.desert-storm,alt.politics.clinton
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:21:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct07.145226.21436@CS.ORST.EDU> mcgredo@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Don McGregor) writes:
>>>head and looked away, ignoring it. Lets face it, the Republiclones armed
>>>Saddam, they are at total fault and bear total responsibility for the
>>>whole thing happening in the first place.
>>
>Would you post a list of the arms the US sold Iraq?  I saw a lot of
>Mirages and T-72s, but not many M-60s or F-16s in Iraq's arsenal.
>
>Just curious,

	A good point Don, it's the claim that will not die.

	I've had a look at the 1992 World Defence Almanac which uses
	data compiled by SIPRI (I think) and the only U.S. equipment
	I could find mention of were some M-113s.  Otherwise the list
	includes:

	Tanks:  Soviet, British (captured Iranian?), French

	Other Armoured vehicles: Soviet, French, British, Spanish or
				 Brazilian

	Artillery: Soviet, South African and Alan Bull-designed Iraqi-made

	Rocketry: Soviet, Brazilian

	Antitank: British, Soviet, Euromissile

	AA guns: Soviet

	AA missiles: Soviet, Euromissile

	Helicopters: French, German, Soviet, British

	Aircraft: French, Soviet (some U.S. commercial aircraft), Brazil

	Navy: Soviet (replaced by inflatables from Wilderness Trace).

	Evidently, the U.S. was paying the Soviets to arm the
	Iraqis :-)

	Alec Chambers.

	Should this list be completed and made part of the FSA (frequent
	stupid allegation) file?