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From: alireza@eng.umd.edu (Alireza Karimzadeh-Rad)
Subject: Re: PROMINENT IRANIAN BAHA'I EXECUTED
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 22:48:20 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <dfs.703194746@ro> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:
>In <1992Apr13.174855.3057@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>
>>If I am not mistaken, the Baha'i religion originated in Iran about a 
>>hundred and fifty years ago. It calls (among other things) to 
>>brotherhood of all people, and is very peaceful. 
>
>>Why are these people persecuted and killed in Iran?
>
>>The Baha'i center is in Haifa, Israel. Could that have anything
>>to do with it?
>
>Possibly, but I'd doubt it - the Iranian govt has persecuted Baha'is
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>much more brutally than it has Jews.  For some reason, they have a
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>hatred towards Baha'i philosophy.  Maybe a militaristic state which
>advocates exporting revolution throughout the Middle East feels
>threatened by a group espousing pasificism, tolerance and brotherhood.
>
>--
>                     |         | "Step up and shake the hand
>David F. Skoll       | ||||||| |  Of someone you can't stand,
>|_ _ _  __   __ _ __ |  \\V//  |  You can tolerate him if you try..."
> / |  | |_|   | |  | |  __|__  |  -- Tom Lehrer, "National Brotherhood Week"
>_____|________________________________________________________________________
>
>


First of all I'd like to ensure you that the Baha'is have been
prosecuted more brutally than any other group in Iran; I've lived
there after the revolution, so there's no way you can convince me
otherwise. And no I'm not a Baha'i. 

However let's say that what you've stated is true. My question is how
come Israel sold arms to the government ruling Iran? I'm really
interested to read your thoughts on this.


Payandeh Baad Iran
Alireza
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct
From: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Sexist African Males
Reply-To: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Molecular Genetics
Distribution: world,local
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:24:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.040917.6929@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>, dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:

>Nope I'm not saying that ALL whites are responsible but I do beleive that the
>vast majority of whites today do all that they can to insure that AfAms
>and Native Americans don't have equal access to things that they should have
>as citizens in this country. So while no white person in this day and age
>has actually enslaved an African they still maintain a system that holds the
>same negative views and ideas about AfAms and Native Americans.

And I think that you are just wrong.  A vast majority of whites?
You mean that 80% of whites "do all they can to insure that AfAms
and Native Americans don't have equal access to things that they should
have as citizens of this country"

Do ALL THEY CAN?  Don't white people have anything better to do? 

There is no conspiracy, and your kind of rhetoric borders on paranoia.
The year is not 1950, and we don't live in the deep south.

This is propaganda, not a description of white American at all.
Your views of white American are extremely negative, and border on racism.
I suggest you pay less attention to Louis Farakkan.

What is it the vast majority of white Americans are doing?

>Dowdy Jackson

Leon Gross
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
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Subject: Re: Slavery
From: mzener@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:41:26 EDT
 <1992Apr13.040702.16143@wpi.WPI.EDU> <viking.703149779@vincent1.iastate.edu> <1992Apr13.143312.26515@mercury.cair.du.edu>
Organization: Wesleyan University

rhuffman@diana.cair.du.edu (Robert T. Huffman) writes:
                                                             
>                                                       . . .  But face up
> to the facts--it was demand in other parts of the world that caused the
> larger part of the desturction of Africa's population.  I certainly don't
> have any stats, but I suspect my country (US) had more slaves than just about
> any other "civilization" you can name.
> 
   Just a few things I'd like to point out.
 	1) Had slavery been dependant on the North American market, it wouldn't
have been as bad.  Slavery got off to a very late start in North America due
basically to the poverty of the typical Virginia farmer when compared to others
in the Carribean and slaveowners on other continents.

	2) Western culture, and The United States in particular, is not
extraordinary in its discriminations and enslavements, on this we all agree. 
What separates it from others is that it was the first to recognize that what
it was doing was morally wrong and take steps (albeit not entirely effective
ones) to correct matters.

>                             No, we are not responsible for the actions of
> our ancestors, but we have inherited a world from those ancestors in which
> tremendous inequities and injustices exist, and we most definitely do have
> a responsibility to try and correct them.
> 
   Correct, but that responsibilty stems not from earlier discrimination but
from current destitution.  We have a responsibilty to create social structures
which allow for financial mobility.  Since those who are still reeling from
earlier discrimination are presumably worse-off, they would probably be helped
more, but only because there are more of them to be helped than any other
group.  Benefits to them should come from their social position, not their skin
tone.


Max Zener
Wesleyan University
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 14:54:43 EDT
From: <34YDN42@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
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Subject: TESTING

THIS TOOK LONG ENOUGH!

NICOLE SCHELLING
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From: pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul A Prior)
Subject: Re: Sexist African Males
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:11:41 GMT

In article <205043@unix.cis.pitt.edu> pmmst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>In article <viking.703149779@vincent1.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>>In <1992Apr13.040702.16143@wpi.WPI.EDU> padutton@wpi.WPI.EDU
>> (Peter Alan Dutton) writes:
>>	I'll take this one step further and claim that it wasn't white
>>people who were responsible for slavery, but a few individuals, their
>>color having nothing to do with the morality of their actions.
>
>Wrong, slavery was motivated by the demand for labourors in the new world. It lasted for 400 yrs, a period of time far ecxceeding the life span of a normal man,
>even your few indivduals. The above is nothing but a vague, obscurantist statement.

Yes, and murder has been occuring for thousands of years, a term far
exceeding the lifetime of any normal man...therefore it is not te
individual's fault that he murders someone, it is the fault of
THE WHITE MAN!!!!  

Barf....

>>>Slavery has existed in EVERY culture. No culture is immune.
>>
>I see, do you have any proof of this ?
>
>Makala

Read something.

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From: johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall)
Subject: Re: Race Relations Survey
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:00:04 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: na

In article dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
| In article <1992Apr02.183430.15870@microsoft.com> johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall) writes:
| >In article dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
| >| Please explain what you mean by "bogus" history ??
| >
| >Cleopatra and Beethoven were black, the Greek's stole everything
| >they knew from Africa, ascribing the acheivements of Arabic and
| >Egyptian peoples to black Africa. 
| >
| How do you know that this isn't true ? 

I see, no evidence for it but it *might* somehow be true.

| Who are you getting your information from ???

Scholars, who depend on little things like a detailed
family tree for Cleopatra going back to macedonia, or
heiroglyphic represenations of Cleopatra.

| >Ignoring the heavy involvement of black slavers in the slave 
| >trade qualifies as selective distortion, not bogus.
| >
| From my readings the involvment of Africans in the slave trade wasn't the same
| as the european's involvment. This does not and should not nullify the europeans
| involvement in the slave trade which was drievn by their greed.

True, it nullifies nothing.  Yes, the involvement of the Africans
was different: They were selling and the Europeans were buying.

-- 
-------------------------
My comments are my own.  They are independent and unrelated to the
views of my company , relatives or elected representatives.

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From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Minority Religions in Iran (was executed baha'i)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:09:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.034724.4509@gboro.glassboro.edu> kilroy@gboro.glassboro.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) writes:

>The Philadelphia Inquirer recently had an article on the Iranian elections,
>and here are some of the details from it:
>
>Religious minorities -- Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians and Baha'is (who make
>up 1% of the population) -- are guaranteed five seats in the Majlis.  There
>are 270 total seats in the Iranian parliament, so the influence of those five
>is probably rather limited.

I asked for examples of religious discrimination against Jews, not against
Muslims!  Jews are represented porportionate with their population (in fact,
they are probably over-represented). If it wasn't for the fact that
they are guaranteed a seat, they would have been very unlikely to gain
any representation.  Look at Britain:  There are two million Muslim citizens 
in that country with no representation in the government.  Look at the U.S., 
there are about four million Muslims in this country with no representation in
the Congress.

I don't understand why you complain that Jews have little influence over
the parliament.  Do you think Jews must control the Parliament in a country
where they are a minscule minority?

By the way, the article you quote is non-factual:  Bahais are NOT represented
in the Parliament.

>reporter went to all included a portraits of Ayatollah Khomeini -- probably
>not voluntarily.                                                   ^^^^^^^^
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This type of playing with words is common in American media.  If we speak 
in probabilistic terms, there is a "nonzero probability" that the reporter
who wrote that article is an alien from Mars.

>Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.glassboro.edu

Behnam Sadeghi
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From: v070km6q@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (John B Schutkeker)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: Sexist African Males
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:24:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

john@anasaz (John Moore) writes...

>v070km6q@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (John B Schutkeker) writes:

>]I have no problem with this.  It's irresponsible childbirth that puts
>]people on welfare and keeps them there.  Color of the skin doesn't matter.

>Actually, for blacks it tends to be irresponsible childbirth. For whites,
>it tends to be abandonment through divorce. Either one is reprehensible
>IMHO.

True, but the two have a lot in common.  I'm inclined to put ababdonment
by divorce in the category of irresponsible childbirth.  Although perhaps
mommy and daddy didn't walk away from the marriage immediatly, they did
eventually.  That means that one or both of them didn't have the gumption
to "work through" their incompatibilities (whatever that means) or that
one or both didn't have the good sense to be as certain as possible that the
other would make a good lifetime partner and parent for their children.

So both events fall into the category of lack of foresight and family
planning.  But I agree that poor blacks are in much more dire need of
"education" for family planning than poor whites.  So many never seen
to even consider marriage.  I wonder if it's because the argument about
how the black female has so much more earning potential than the black male,
because of welfare, thereby making the black male a second class citizen,
since he also has much less chance of getting a steady job.  If that were
the case, it might make sense to offer welfare to the mother, but only if
she is married to and lives with a man.  There's a bizarre new idea for you.
It might give daddy slightly more stature, and it would certainly improve the
percentage of two parent families.  That would help a countless number of other
systemic problems in the black communities, but I can see how it might cause a
different spectrum of problems, though. 

>]If daddy has a reason to fear the consequences of his actions, maybe
>]he'll think twice before forcing the world to support another poverty
>]stricken, single paarent family. Why should my tax dollars support these
>]irresponsible types?

>This should also apply to mommy.

Absolutely, but it's easier to focus on daddy as the heavy, since he is the one
most likely to leave (at least in my own, admittedly stereotypical, view), but
it's harder to identify the wife as the heavy if she drives him out, say, by
nagging him until he can't take it any more.  After all, nagging is only
words, which shouldn't hurt, right ;-).  It's not like physical abuse,
right ;-).

						-- John Schutkeker
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From: arocho@acsu.buffalo.edu (Vance A. Arocho)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Whites Critical of African-Americans
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:54:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB

dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
>>This is bad? I don't cling to my ancestor's German/Dutch/English/Scottish
>>backgrounds, and I don't feel any loss.

>But that's you ! It seems that those of you from european ancestory want the
>rest of us to follow in your footsteps. If you want to forget who you are
>then fine. But its easy for you since everything is set up for you to
>get ahead. 

RD (Ron Dippold):
So how about the Italians?  They do fine, and many still maintain a
strong Italian heritage.

***** I don't know of any Italians who live in the ghetto; do you? Also, they
need not concern themselves with being the 'wrong color'. 

Additionally, you are mistaken to compare one group with another. The African-
American experience is unique and no group has had to endure so much injustice
and suffering as they as well as being taught that they are inferior.

This is not to say, of course, that African-Americans cannot succeed but an un-
fortunate legacy of slavery has been an inferiority complex with respect to 
Whites, or at least a great deal of self-doubt. Such feelings can be very crip-
pling.

Peace.
*****


-- 
"A young man who is a conservative has no heart; an old man who is a liberal 
has no brain." (Winston Churchill)
"Sin trabajo, no hay nada." ("Without work, there is nothing.")
Vance Arocho: arocho@acsu.edu (SUN)/V068PZYD@ubvms  (VAX)
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From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Re: PROMINENT IRANIAN BAHA'I EXECUTED
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:38:43 GMT

In <1992Apr14.224820.12251@eng.umd.edu> alireza@eng.umd.edu (Alireza
Karimzadeh-Rad) writes:

>However let's say that what you've stated is true. My question is how
>come Israel sold arms to the government ruling Iran? I'm really
>interested to read your thoughts on this.

Because:

1) Israel was afraid of Iraq's growing strength, and wanted Iran to weaken it.

2) The U.S. found it a convenient way to get arms to Iran in exchange for U.S.
   hostages.

As you see, only geopolitical considerations were involved.  I don't
think it was a good move on Israel's part, however.

--
                     |         | "Step up and shake the hand
David F. Skoll       | ||||||| |  Of someone you can't stand,
|_ _ _  __   __ _ __ |  \\V//  |  You can tolerate him if you try..."
 / |  | |_|   | |  | |  __|__  |  -- Tom Lehrer, "National Brotherhood Week"
_____|________________________________________________________________________
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From: dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson)
Subject: Re: W.C. of AfAms
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 21:45:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.162024.9268@anasaz> john@anasaz (John Moore) writes:
>Keywords: 
>
>The problem with AA is that it DOES lead to quotas. My daughter yesterday
>was looking at scholarships. She found most she could not get because
>she is not black, and found one she could get (but others could not)
>because she is a female math whiz. What sort of message do you think she
>got from this?
>
There are many scholarships for women also. What book are you looking 
at ? How do respond to the fact that there has been this old boy
system which has benefited white males for centuries ? AA is just to make 
sure that whites, which have a long history of discrimination, don't
discriminate on the basis of color, etc. If there are any quotas its the
perpetuation of white males in positions of power and authority.

>Furthermore, as soon as AA is government sanctioned, it leads to quotas
>because this is the only way a business or government agency can defend
>itself against lawsuits.
>
Businesses must show that they have made a satisfactory effort to recruit 
qualified minorities. They are not mandated by law to hire them. The question
arises when you see alot of whites being hired in an area that has a high
number of non whites present as well. There are have been numerous cases of
whites not hiring AfAms regardless of their qualifications. Just recently
it was reported that when qualifications are equal between white and
black applicants, the whites are three times more likely to be hired than
the black. As long as such discrepancies exist there is still a need for
AA laws.

>
>]what you are implying. Black racism is a direct result of White racism. I am
>]not saying that this justifies Black racism, but I think White racism must end
>]first.
>
>Bullshit! This really offends me. In spite of your disclaimer, by requiring
>White racism to end first you are justifying black racism.
>
How do you know that this supposed "black racism" isn't the result of
"white racism" ? What examples do you have of a black person not hiring a
white person solely because they are white ? I don't think you can answer the
previous question because whites have been and still are oppressive of blacks
until its impossible to see black racism as seperate from the response to being
placed in a very oppressive situation.


Dowdy Jackson
From: johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall)
Subject: Re: Whites Critical of African-Americans
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:04:20 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: na

In article sguillo@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Stanford Guillory) writes:
| Of the thousands of whites I have met, only about 5% would 
| have made it in Northwest Houston.

And I am probably not one of them.

-- 
-------------------------
My comments are my own.  They are independent and unrelated to the
views of my company , relatives or elected representatives.

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From: agoyo1@yog-soggoth.MIT.EDU (acee agoyo)
Subject: Re: PROMINENT IRANIAN BAHA'I EXECUTED
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:13:37 GMT

From an article by Leon Gross:
>>I personally think that relatively speaking a Jew is more respected in 
>>Iran than a Muslim is in the U.S.

>>Behnam Sadeghi

>This is your personal opinion.  Do you expect anyone else to actually 
>believe this?  Please tell me you're not serious before the discussion 
>of Jews in Iran becomes the topic here in t.p.m.

It's only my opinion, but. . .aren't you [Leon] being a little jumpy here?
Behnam said "I personally think."  He knows its his opinion.  Anyone who read
his message knows its his opinion.  You know its his opinion.  Why do you say
someone else might believe his opinion?  I don't think people will read Behnam's
message and all of a sudden become a follower of his words.  (no offense to 
behman :) ) I think you might be getting a little testy.  But of course, it's
only my opinion.  (don't forget!) 

acee agoyo
agoyo1, once again back is the incredible

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From: v070km6q@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (John B Schutkeker)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: Sexist African Males
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:43:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <guillory.702890744@bach.crhc.uiuc.edu>, guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory) writes...
>v070km6q@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (John B Schutkeker) writes:
> 
>>Perhaps they should be required to stay at home and raise the children
>>that they fater out of wedlock and to the marry the mothers of those
>>children instead of leaving them to go onto welfare.
> 
>Well gee, John, given that white females make up the vast
>majority of welfare receipients (~70%), maybe we should
>hold those horny white males to the same standard, huh?
> 

I have no problem with this.  It's irresponsible childbirth that puts
people on welfare and keeps them there.  Color of the skin doesn't matter.
If daddy has a reason to fear the consequences of his actions, maybe
he'll think twice before forcing the world to support another poverty
stricken, single paarent family. Why should my tax dollars support these
irresponsible types?
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