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From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Dual Citizenship
Date: 7 Jan 1993 02:41:26 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
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M. Huntbach says:

>I was secretary of a local political party in London, and asked
>a friend who has dual US citizenship whether he'd mind being a
>candidate in a borough council election, not one we had any
>chance of winning, but simply to ensure that there was someone
>standing in the party's name at that election. Although he was
>a keen member, he refused to do so on the grounds that if he
>did he could lose his US citizenship. This was less than three

He probably was unaware of the laws regarding citizenship. After all,
Milan Panic ran for President of Serbia this year, and in the middle
of the campaign went to the US embassy in Belgrade to cast his vote
for Bill Clinton (as reported in the Wall Street Journal)! And he
was already PM of Serbia then.

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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From: paul@hsh.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: E-Mail Access to Congress (Was Re: Clinton Office Requests Comments
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:44:49 GMT
Organization: HSH Associates

In article <1993Jan2.055852.16689@netcom.com>, tenney@netcom.com (Glenn S. Tenney) writes:
> In article <C06IpD.CuK@ais.org> danr@ais.org (Daniel Romanchik) writes:
>>While I would like to be able to e-mail messages to my congressperson,
>>I don't think it really opens up access all that much.  What percentage
>>of the population actually have e-mail access?  The only thing e-mail
>>will do is open access to the priviledged few who knowhow to work with
>>computers and have access to e-mail. And, as others have pointed out,
>>it's just as easy to ignore e-mail as regular mail.
>> ...
> 
> I agree that we have to be careful to not just open up access to
> the priviledged few (the data haves vs. the data haves not!).  But
> we need to get Congress online.  Whether it gets ignored or not,
> there will be many messages that will NOT be ignored.  And some
> representatives will surprise you and really USE it.
> 
> My plan was, and will be, to place terminals in public libraries as
> well as the local offices of Representatives.  No matter how well
> connected we get, there will still be people who are not connected.
> But, our public libraries are (sadly, in some cases should be) the
> primary place people go to get information.  That's the place they
> should also go to GIVE information -- to their elected officials.

If we _really_ want to encourage citizen participation, then this electronic-
access-to-Congress idea should also allow access to LEGIS, which is (at 
present) a Congress-only database of all proposed, pending, and passed 
legislation in both the Senate and the House.

Yes, you too could see who proposed what -- who voted for it -- and how much 
it would cost (or save) you!  And that, of course, it why this taxpayer-
funded, taxpayer-run citizen will NEVER be available to taxpayers....

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From: sizex@bnr.co.uk (Eric Barber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Gulf war, Iran/Iraq aircraft
Date: 11 Jan 1993 10:52:22 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, England.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.199.202.49

In article <C0KquA.G7K@panix.com> dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) writes:
>Way back, during the "gulf war," numerous reports were repeased by teh
>Pentagon (and, as far as I recall, NEVER confirmed by either Iran nor
>Iraq) that Iraqi pilots had taken their planes to Iran for safekeeping.

the story here in yurp was that the Iranians kept most of the 'planes
to make up for their earlier losses to the Iraqis.

   _    "just a Texan a long way from home"
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From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Is New York the only city in the USA to have a subway?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:38:54 GMT

In article <145153@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
}New York's subway system is certainly not the only one in the United States,
}merely the most (in)famous, as well as the largest.  
}
}The following cities have subways somewhat similar to New York -- i.e.,
}old:

And filthy. And dangerous in many places. And...

}Boston

They don't call it "the T" for nothing; it covers very little of the city.

}Philadelphia

Don't know this one.

}Chicago

More turnstile-jumpers than NYC!

}Cleveland

Don't know this one either.

}The following cities have newer subways (i.e. 20 years old or less):
}
}The Bay Area (San Franscisco, Oakland, Berkeley)

Due to the short-sightedness of south bay taxpayers, this also covers
an extremely narrow area. It is in the shape of a large X; that's all.

}Atlanta

Goes everywhere you need to go, if you need to go to a mall or to the
heart of downtown. If you want to go anywhere else, forget it.

}Baltimore
}Buffalo

Don't know these.

}Washington, DC 

Again, pitiful coverage. Designed primarily to allow auto commuters
to park their autos by the freeway and ride the metro in instead.
Not designed for intra-city transportation.

}Los Angeles (under construction)

Probably will open partially by the year 2010, if construction goes
swimmingly well. Oh, I hope you're not calling light rail a subway
system? The light rail in San Jose is a joke -- it takes 50% longer
to take the light rail from south San Jose to north San Jose than
it does to drive a single-occupant auto the same distance at the
height of rush hour. There is no concept of express light rail; every
car stops at every stop, winding its way through downtown San Jose.

As for me, I can ride my motorcycle the 14 miles to work in 20
minutes at the height of rush hour. Or I can walk five blocks, catch
a bus to another bus to a train to a shuttle bus for a total best-
case time of 1.25 hours; usually closer to 1.75 or 2 hours, one way.
And I must catch that first bus by its last run-time of 7:30 am....
What a joke!
-- 
Curtis Jackson			'91 Black Lab/Blue Heeler "Studley Doright"
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'92 Collie/Golden "George"
DoD #721			'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
"I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead." -- J. Buffett
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From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Is New York the only city in the USA to have a subway?
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:42:32 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1993Jan5.183145.18587@spider.co.uk>, michaelr@spider.co.uk (Michael
S. A. Robb) writes:
>
>Having watched a couple of films with scenes located in New York's
>subway, some friends and I wondered whether any other cities in the
>USA also had subways, and whether they were given such a bad image
>as New York's. Any information which would bring enlightenment would
>be welcome.
>
>-- Michael
>--
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>| Edinburgh, EH6 5NG     | michaelr@spider.co.uk |             - Anonymous
>
New York's is probably the oldest or close to it.  Other US cities have
subways.  The only one I'm familiar with the DC metro.  In contrast to NY,
it's clean and a lot safer and very easy to use.
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From: sizex@bnr.co.uk (Eric Barber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Dual Citizenship
Followup-To: soc.culture.usa
Date: 8 Jan 1993 08:45:59 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, England.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.199.202.49

In article <1993Jan7.221318.22655@cabell.vcu.edu> dresler@cabell.vcu.edu (Dan Resler) writes:
>mike@inti.lbl.gov (Michael Helm) writes:
>... Basically, it is
>"the right of every U.S. citizen to remain a citizen until he or she
>intends to give up citizenship. It is also the right of each U.S.
>citizen to relinguish U.S. citizenship.
>
>>I don't know when and why the US stopped being so difficult about
>>this but I have been repeatedly reassured by State Dep't people &
>>by those who have dual citizenship that it is no problem at all now.
>
>It appears that they loosened up in 1952 as a result of a few
>Supreme Court cases. The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952
>defined the law as we know know it.

it's even looser than that. My father is now a citizen of a country
in South America so that he can own a company there. he had to renounce
his citizenship when he became a citizen (some time ago now). his
company is ok, so he's ok. however, a friend in the same country who
did the same thing eventually went out of business and decided he no
longer had any reason to be there. he went down to the local consulate,
explained the situation and said that he wanted to go home, and they
just issued him another US passport!

Eric

   _    "just a Texan a long way from home"
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From: ar12@quads.uchicago.edu (Andre Robotewskyj)
Subject: RE: HOW TO GET THE 'INFAMOUS' JAPAN-USA ARTICLE EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT
Reply-To: ar12@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:08:03 GMT

Many many people have asked how to get the famous Japan article (which
by the way, I did not write) that everyone is talking about.

The new 2nd edition (v122792) is at anonymous FTP site: (login: anonymous)

monu6.cc.monash.edu.au    in directory: pub/nihongo    as: japanyes

or you can write me at: ar12@midway.uchicago.edu
and I will send you a copy. If you'd like to be on the mailing list that
sends out articles like this, also let me know & I'll add you.

Thank you & sorry for the disturbance

Andre
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From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Re: [Usono] alta produkto-grado en Usono                                            [United States] high productivity in the U.S.A.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:13:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.200407.6318@leland.Stanford.EDU> chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel)) writes:
>     [A Chinese sees productivity in the U.S.A. and week family ties.
>English follows.]
>
>     The U.S.A. has high productivity, right?
>
>     When I came to the U.S.A. for school, I felt that I had a lot of time
>for school homework.  Re-thinking, I felt that that was because I
>spent no time with my family.  But this was only school.
>
>     Many Usonians have high productivity.  Importantly, that is because
>they spend little time with their family.  That is not school,
>but real life!  So, the price one pays for high productiviety is
>family relations.  No wonder, whey there are may family problems
>between children, middle-aged ones (who have children and parents),
>and old ones in the U.S.A.

Um, productivity != production.  Productivity increases would indicate
that LESS TIME would be required to produce the same amount of products
or services.  What has happened in the US that would be damaging to the
family was that not only has PRODUCTIVITY increased, but so have work
hours, the NUMBER OF WORK HOURS decrease family time, but PRODUCTIVITY
increases allow LESS TIME AT WORK to produce the same amount of products.

You have come to the correct conclusions, but I think you are confusing
PRODUCTIVITY [which is measured as output per hour] with PRODUCTION
[which is just how much you make].

The US has the highest PRODUCTIVITY in the world, but also has less free
time than before for DIFFERENT REASONS.

>
>			G^ONGO C^i-jau'o (s-ric^o), dimanc^on [Sunday]


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From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Is New York the only city in the USA to have a subway?
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:11:17 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <1993Jan5.183145.18587@spider.co.uk> michaelr@spider.co.uk (Michael S. A. Robb) writes:
>Having watched a couple of films with scenes located in New York's
>subway, some friends and I wondered whether any other cities in the
>USA also had subways, and whether they were given such a bad image
>as New York's. Any information which would bring enlightenment would
>be welcome.

New York's subway system is certainly not the only one in the United States,
merely the most (in)famous, as well as the largest.  

The following cities have subways somewhat similar to New York -- i.e.,
old:

Boston
Philadelphia
Chicago
Cleveland

The following cities have newer subways (i.e. 20 years old or less):

The Bay Area (San Franscisco, Oakland, Berkeley)
Atlanta
Baltimore
Buffalo
Washington, DC 
Los Angeles (under construction)

I'd be glad to hear of any I may have missed.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: US interventionism
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:42:48 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <1993Jan3.210347.20759@ariel.ec.usf.edu> mccolm@darwin.math.usf.edu. (Gregory McColm) w
rites:
>In article <1992Dec28.191825.13381@digi.lonestar.org> gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo) writes
:
  [Lengthy flame from Greg McColm deleted]

In article <1idbp1INN9sf@shelley.u.washington.edu> kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
 writes:
>In article 10666, gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo) writes:

   [Stuff deleted.  Following is from Kevin:]

>Given the penchant for governments to act on the basis of
>policies and the apparent inevitability of their continuing to do
>so, I prefer a policy that draws a thick, heavy line between our
>perceived interests and those of people who I feel are doomed to
>fail no matter what we do to help them.  I agree that we do not
>live in a vaccuum, but neither do I think that the fates of all
>members of humankind are as inextricably interwoven as you
>assert.  The truth is somewhere in between, and I think that what
>we as a nation must decide is on which side we will allow
>ourselves to err.

I think that over a cup of coffee we would agree on most points.
Just the absolutism of your position is a little more than I
would adopt.  By the way, do you then believe that we should have
gone to war with Iraq, and presumably finished the job, since it
was for our national interest primarily?

As a people, we Americans have a sense of compassion for others'
suffering that is, I believe, unique in the world.  I have had
Europeans tell me that only the Americans would have thought of
something like Care packages.  Not that other people don't do
similar things, but we are the champions at it. The problem
is that we are also very childlike and naive, and we tend to get
suckered into all sorts of quixotic adventures whose aims have
been designed for quite other purposes than those which motivate
popular support of Americans.  Somehow, thougn, we need to work
out ways to organize ourselves to be able to collectively help
others on a large and _effective_ scale.  I believe in karma, but
not in the oriental sense that everyone has to stew in his own
destiny and that getting involved in somebody else's only messes
up your own.

Regards,
Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: US interventionism
Date: 7 Jan 1993 04:02:14 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article 10727, gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
writes, in part:

>Just the absolutism of your position is a little more than I
>would adopt.

It's a little surprising to me to find myself taking such an
extreme position.  I take it as a measure of my lack of faith in
our government's ability to make decisions.

>By the way, do you then believe that we should have
>gone to war with Iraq, and presumably finished the job, since it
>was for our national interest primarily?

I don't think Iraq was a problem.  Saddam Hussein was, and is, a
problem for many people.  I hope that he will be assassinated,
and I'm sorry that George Bush was too much a prisoner of
principles to do that.  Bush chose war, which is usually
inefficient and terribly wasteful at best; in this case, it was
completely ineffective in eradicating a problem that may well
return to haunt us.

>As a people, we Americans have a sense of compassion for others'
>suffering that is, I believe, unique in the world.  I have had
>Europeans tell me that only the Americans would have thought of
>something like Care packages.  Not that other people don't do
>similar things, but we are the champions at it. The problem
>is that we are also very childlike and naive, and we tend to get
>suckered into all sorts of quixotic adventures whose aims have
>been designed for quite other purposes than those which motivate
>popular support of Americans.  Somehow, thougn, we need to work
>out ways to organize ourselves to be able to collectively help
>others on a large and _effective_ scale.  I believe in karma,
>but
>not in the oriental sense that everyone has to stew in his own
>destiny and that getting involved in somebody else's only messes
>up your own.

Well said.
From: mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Dual Citizenship
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:13:28 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

In article <28230@dog.ee.lbl.gov> mike@inti (Michael Helm) writes:
>Roadster Racewerks writes:
>I believe this is correct -- 20 years ago, the US actively opposed
>dual citizenship.  I have a friend who pretty much could repeat
>your story (except his other country is a Latin American state).
>I don't know when and why the US stopped being so difficult about
>this but I have been repeatedly reassured by State Dep't people &
>by those who have dual citizenship that it is no problem at all now.
>
I was secretary of a local political party in London, and asked
a friend who has dual US citizenship whether he'd mind being a
candidate in a borough council election, not one we had any
chance of winning, but simply to ensure that there was someone
standing in the party's name at that election. Although he was
a keen member, he refused to do so on the grounds that if he
did he could lose his US citizenship. This was less than three
years ago. What was that about "no taxation without
representation"?

Matthew Huntbach
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From: granger@stna.dgac.fr (Frederic Granger STNA 7CP p8126 AG23)
Subject: STAMP
Organization: Service Technique de la Navigation Aerienne
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:49:49 GMT

Hello all, and Happy new year 1993.

This message is for a special request :

On radio in France, a few week ago, my mother hear that a stamp with
-- ELVIS PRESLEY -- will be printed on beginning of this January month,
 but i don't ember if it is in Canada, or in USA...

Please, is somebody can send my a postal card with this stamp ?
We will appreciate.
(i will send a personnal answer to all)

Adress is : F. Granger
            169 rue de Paris
            94220 CHARENTON le pont
            France
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Is New York the only city in the USA to have a subway?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 07:35:37 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu



New York City is the only city in the U.S.A., period.
From: michaelr@spider.co.uk (Michael S. A. Robb)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
Subject: Is New York the only city in the USA to have a subway?
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:31:45 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.


Having watched a couple of films with scenes located in New York's
subway, some friends and I wondered whether any other cities in the
USA also had subways, and whether they were given such a bad image
as New York's. Any information which would bring enlightenment would
be welcome.

-- Michael
-- 
| Michael S. A. Robb     | Tel: +44 31 554 9424  | "..The problem with bolt-on
| Software Engineer      | Fax: +44 31 554 0649  |  software is making sure the
| Spider Systems Limited | E-mail:               |  bolts are the right size.."
| Edinburgh, EH6 5NG     | michaelr@spider.co.uk |             - Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: Gulf war, Iran/Iraq aircraft
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:14:17 GMT

In <C0KquA.G7K@panix.com> dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) writes:

>Way back, during the "gulf war," numerous reports were repeased by teh
>Pentagon (and, as far as I recall, NEVER confirmed by either Iran nor
>Iraq) that Iraqi pilots had taken their planes to Iran for safekeeping.

>Questions: 1) Does anybody else remember this?
>       2) Did anybody hear or see any other (i.e. non-US-DOD) reliable
>sources on this story, and
>     3) Whatever happened to the planes and pilots?

Yeah, Iran was already repainting them in the IAF colors before the
war ended. Sodamn Insane didn't get them back.

>thanks
>dannyb@panix.com

REB



Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa
From: s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca
Subject: GULF WAR PACIFISTS MAKE ME SICK!
Organization: Laurentian University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:30:58 GMT

    I am sickened by the people who continually say that the war in the gulf 
was unecessary and a throwback to the Vietnam era.  You speak from ignorance 
when you say that it was a localized issue that the U.S. never should have 
gotten involved in.  Don't you know that Iraq, a nation that is headed by
a maniac and is inhabited by a large number of fanatics, was in within striking
distance of capturing over 80 percent of the world's oil supply.  God, they
could have destroyed our economy without even firing a shot.  You people sit 
in the warm classrooms and houses, you drive your cars everywhere you want to
go and you have the gall to say that oil is not worth fighting for.  WAKE UP.
I don't like the idea of war, but you have to face up to the fact that there
are times when it becomes important to fight for the integrity of your nation,
and for the freedom of your allies.  
     I am a Canadian.  Our nation sent a squadron of the most modern fighter
aircraft.  It was a token force at best but I am glad and proud that my nation
served in such a noble cause none the less.  I am happy for and poud of 
my American neighbours for the speed and decisive manner in which they 
eliminated a world threat.  I hope that it never happens again.

                                                  John

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