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From: joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Narrow Boat and Computer.
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:35:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: SSD.1992Sep3.153514.3767
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.

In article <1992Sep2.151828.4852@cm.cf.ac.uk> Andrew.Stratton@cm.cf.ac.uk (Andrew F Stratton) writes:
>I am considering buying a narrow boat as a home (while I do a PhD), but I
>am concerned that my PC clone wouldn't be up to it.  Any comments (good
>or bad)?
>
>	Thanks in advance,
>	  Andy Stratton.

I have always found that PC don't really hold very well in eel grass, I 
would recommend either a Bruce or a Danforth. :-)


Seriously I don't understand your question.  What are your concerns?

	The PC won't fit in a narrow boat?

joel clark
From: alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Jib furling systems
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:28:02 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Aug31.205135.279@lrc.edu>, rheinze@lrc.edu writes:
> I would like to see a discussion of furling systems for
> smaller sailboats - under 25'
> Are they overkill on a small cruiser?
> What systems work better under what circumstances?
> What are the choices?  etc.?

My first boat was (is) a Gulf Coast 20; I found the furling invaluable, since I
single-handed a lot, and it made it easy to get rid of that sail in a hurry.  I
just bought a Clipper 23, (which I really like), and it has a furler, and the
sail is made so you can leave it furled and not put it below because of sun and
rain.  I think especially if you are single-handing, furling systems are great;
I don't know if I could bring myself to spend the $500 on one if it wasn't
already on the boat (especially since I only invested a little over $2500 in
each boat), but I think it would be worthwhile.

The only reason I have seen not to get a furler is on my brother's boat (San
Juan 24), which has two tracks in the front so you can raise two fore-sails at
once (raise the storm/genoa, drop the genoa/storm) which is good of you are in
a race, which he frequently is.  I don't know how you could rig a furler with
that feature.

Anybody seen a boat that has a furler that doesn't get wrapped around the
forestay?  I have thought about taking the forestay down, but that makes me
nervous (don't ask me why).  Getting tired of bungying the forestay to the
pulpit to pull it out of the way.

Alan
(Who will be christening his new boat "Backdraft" hopefully some time soon. 
Named so because she sneaks up on you when you least expect her).
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From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: Awesome sailing last weekend, huh?
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:35:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.150928.19124@icd.teradyne.com> burzycki@zax.eda.teradyne.com (Mike Burzycki) writes:
>Anybody out there do any sailing this past weekend in the Massachusetts area? 
>The wind was really howling both days, but I was only able to get out there on
>Sunday.  

Indeed, awesome both days. My wife and I took Sarah out of Hadley's on Saturday
at noon and sailed to Nantucket with Westerly winds, shifting SW or NW on
occasion, but brisk throughout. Spent the night anchored (two anchors!) in a
bight of Nantucket Harbor, and then sailed back Sunday with winds NE becoming
E. 35 miles each way, and downwind the whole time. Even rigged the 'chute for
the return trip...

   We did the same thing over the last few days---left Hadley's Monday with a 
West wind, 8-12 knots, spend Tuesday on Nantucket, and returned Wednesday
morning with SE to S winds, 15-25, and the current (0.5-2.5 knots) with us,
except through Woods Hole. 

   I feel like that guy who was interviewed after this year's Bermuda race and
told the reporter that they'd never had to change sails, never had to suffer
with outrageously high winds or calms, and when asked about how much they had
to tack, said "Gentleman don't sail upwind..." He apparently managed to keep a
straight face all the way into the nearby bar, where he collapsed laughing....

-John
Newsgroups: rec.boats


> What would you take on such a trip?

Sails...

---

Ben

From: dick@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Dick Lucas)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:45:19 GMT
Subject: Re: MerCruiser Trim
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov) writes:

> In article <1992Aug24.145647.3122@hemlock.cray.com>, ss@tamarack16.cray.com (Sandra Swanson) writes:
> > 
> > All of our prior boating experience has been without the benefit
> > of power trim and we are somewhat confused about how one knows when
> > best trim has been achieved.  
> >
>   This is totally unscientific (I'm sure someone else will try to provide 
>   that aspect...), but when I first encountered power trim/tilt, I was told to
>   adjust it up or down, a little at a time, until the minimum amount of
>   hull/enging vibration was felt.  This seems to work fine overall....


>   pavlov@fstrf.org
     To further add to the net, here is my experience with trim angle.  I have 
an outboard and have both tach and speedometer.  What I do is trim the engine
up (out) with a fixed throttle setting and watch both the tach and the 
speed.  As I trim out, the rpms increase and so does the speed, up to a point,
where there is no improvement in either speed or rpms.  Visually, there is a
"rooster tail" of spray which is 1 to 2 feet high at the best trim.  The 
increase in rpms is as much as 4-500 rpms between a full trim in and the 
optimum trim angle.  As one of the responders indicated, the boat will become
very bouncy if you are at this trim angle, and in chop my tend to "porpoise."

The only caveat about excessive trim angles is that too much trim may lift the
cooling water intakes out of the water and lead to engine overheat.  With 
a little experience with your boat, you should be able to properly trim for
maximum speed.
From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Depth Sounders
Date: 3 Sep 1992 16:52:06 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article 24531@oasys.dt.navy.mil, siegrist@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Frank Siegrist) writes:
> In rec.boats, paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer) writes:
> >>The only problem i see with a transom mount depth sounder, is that it measures
> >>the depth of the bottom which you have just passed over.. Much like the QEII
> Stuff deleted
> >
>  The 
> display starts breaking up and the readings get erratic.  I've assumed 
> that its due to a lot of turbulence from the power boat's props stirring
> up the mud bottem.  The depth is about 6 feet at low water.
> I hope this helps the original poster.

The cause is the turbulence from the power boat's prop, and it might be from
stirring up the mud bottom.  However, it is much more likely that it is due to
the wake itsself. All of those little cavitation bubbles make a very good echo!

I have mounted my sounder transducer to the inside of my hull on two previous 
sailboats, with good results.  My method was to basten a piece of plastic (ABS or 
PVC) pipe to the bottom on the hull with MarineTex, put an inch or so of mineral 
oil in the pipe, and then insert the transducer so that the face of it was below the 
surface of the mineral oil.  Worked great, expect for when big chop or wakes lifted
the bow out of the water, or I passed over a power boat wake.

Jeff Huntington


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From: bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers)
Subject: Re: Hobie 16 masts
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:01:48 GMT

In article <1SEP199214173185@zeus.tamu.edu> wkl5819@zeus.tamu.edu (LEVERICH, WILLIAM KENT) writes:

>It's my understanding that when a Hobie capsizes, the water tight mast should
>float.  The club I'm in has two Hobie 16s and a Hobie 14.  The masts on all of
>them leak.  Every time one of the boats capsizes, it inevitably turtles.
>Unless you have a lot of extra weight, unturtling the boat is a real bitch.
>If you can find a way to keep your mast watertight, I would strongly recommend
>doing so.

It's actually pretty easy.  I do it in about 2 hours every other year.
I did it before the beginning of this season.  It's simple.  you drill
out all the pop rivets, remove all the fittings, clean off all the old
silicone rubber, smear new silicone on, re attach everyting.  The
really hard one is the Comp-Tip (the mast upper section is fiberglass
to reduce the possibility of electrocution due to overhead wires in
launch areas, it works too).  I've never removed my Comp-Tip, but I
simply remove all the hardware, smear them with silicone and reinstall
all the hardware.  Then a smear a thing bead around where the two
extrusions meet and I'm done.

It should be noted that anytime you need to do this with your rudder
gudgeons, you should probably need to do this for your mast.  IMHO.

--
"But the fact that a 1938 touring bodied Alfa Romeo I once had is
worth $1 million sometimes bothers the hell out of me.  It's a
personal problem."                                     -Phil Hill
Iaido   Takamine   Hobie   Rossignol   Alfa Romeo  Ducati (DOD #900)
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From: petere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels)
Subject: Re: Marine Binoculars
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:18:40 GMT

In article <Btwr4s.8L@news.orst.edu>, kaufmanj@ucs.orst.edu (John Kaufman)
wrote:
> 
> Expires: 
> References: <1992Sep1.093854.58545@cc.usu.edu>
> Sender: 
> Followup-To: 
> Distribution: world
> Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
> Keywords: 
> 
> I'm looking around for an inexpensive pair of marine binoculars that have
> a compass incorporated inside. So far I've come up with:
> 
>              Fujinon poseidon  $299
>              Bushnell Navigator $299 (on sale)
>              Tasco ???         $199
> 
> Does anyone have any experience with these models? Comments or opinions or
> suggestions of other models??? Is it better in the long run to jump to the
> $600-800 range for Steiners? Is there a place where I might be able to find
> second-hand equipment?

I've had a pair of Fujinon 7x50s since 1985, and am very satisfied.  They
are excellent binoculars.  I've compared them directly with a pair of
Steiners, and thought the Fujinons were a tad brighter and clearer (and so
did the owner of the Steiners).

-Pete
From: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Courington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Jib furling systems
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:23:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
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In article 279@lrc.edu, rheinze@lrc.edu () writes:
>I would like to see a discussion of furling systems for
>smaller sailboats - under 25'
>Are they overkill on a small cruiser?
>What systems work better under what circumstances?
>What are the choices?  etc.?

I think a furling jib would be dandy on a small boat.  In fact, 
International14s and Impulse21s have them, I think.  I have 
one on my Olson30 (a very small 30 footer) and think it's grand--
now that I've got a deflector which keeps the halyard from 
wrapping around the foil.  (When this happens, even in light 
air as it did to me, it's a scary deal.  Get the installation 
done right.)  Note that the furled sail will add a good deal 
of windage to the bow, making it blow off of (or onto) floats 
in crosswinds.  The weight right out there on the pointy end 
(sorry for the technical jargon) can make a slight difference 
in trim if the bow is fine.  A furler is a compromise, but a 
good one for the lazy sailor.  

BTW, sails cut expressly for furlers can be damned good looking.  
I would not expect an old sail adapted to a furler to look good, 
though.  (I'm saying that you might want to add the cost of a new 
sail to the apparent cost of the furler.)

Note:  I'm staying out of the jib reefing argument; only talking 
about furling here.  

BILL COURINGTON

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From: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson)
Subject: Re: Around the World books??
Reply-To: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Organization: Economics Department, University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:52:47 GMT

nguyen@ttd.teradyne.com writes:

>Hi boaters:

>I'm looking for some books relating to around the world voyages made
>by contemporary individuals.  I'm curious about the preparations that
>go into such trips ( mental, physical, materials etc ).  Activities to
>keep one's sanity.

I recommend the grandaddy of them all, and still the best in my
opinion:

"Sailing alone around the world"

by Captain Joshua Slocum, first published in 1899.

  Two highlights are
                       1)  He was attacked by cannibals!
                       2)  Niftiest self-steering system ever
                            devised.

I have a copy printed in 1900 that belonged to my grandad.  Does
anyone know if this is worth anything?
--
T. Scott Thompson              email:  thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Department of Economics        phone:  (612) 625-0119
University of Minnesota        fax:    (612) 624-0209
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From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (especially the mouth part of the face)
Subject: Re: Bayliner myths: a challenge
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:03:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.202114.17062@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, rbaist@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (robert.t.baist) writes...
>Gary---
>At least you go out to the ocean to do this! I sail on Barnegat Bay and when  
>I'm out there I get 40' cigarette boats going flat out (80mph+) buzzing me 
>by 20 - 30 

Same thing in middle river, by bowleys light, everybody is entering or leaving
the river and it's amazing the chop that builds up: enough to swamp a dinghy,
strictly from wakes. My understanding was that there was a 6 kt. speed limit
inside bowleys (maybe it's just inside frog mortar creek) on weekends, if there
is, it is utterly ignored. Usually I don't mind the speedboats, at least they
get the hell through, with little wake, although the noise can be
unbelievable. The big sportsfisher type things are brutal though. I don't
have anything against powerboaters in general, but Jesus, why can't people be 
responsible for their actions/lifestyles??? Think of what all these wakes
and noise do to the river habitat!

Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
> * OLX 2.1 * ease!Trim!eeeaaaassse!trimtrimTRIMeeeeeeeaaaaaasse!trimea
From: davea@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Dave Angelini)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Need Marina South of SF
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:21:20 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA


  

    Can anyone in the SF Bay recommend a marina south of SF on the

peninsula. The closer to Redwood City the better. 
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From: joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark)
Subject: Re: Recomend good LORAN ???
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:09:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.125629.27756@phri.nyu.edu> roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) writes:
>steph@cs.uchicago.edu (Stephen Wilson Bailey) writes:
>>Also, its ``time to go'' function seems brain dead, inasmuch as it
>>just divides the distance by your speed over ground, ignoring your
>>course over ground.  You could be heading directly away from the
>>waypoint at it would still give you a non-infinite time to go.
>
>	Hmmm, interesting problem.  How would you like it to calculate your
>TTG?  The thing has no way of knowing, for example, that you're tacking
>upwind.  Given problems like that, it really can't do anything very smart
>with TTG anyway, so it might as well just do the most straight-forward
>distance/speed and not worry about heading.
>
Our (Impulse) loran starts out by figuring distance divided by speed, but
as time goes by it adjust the TTG by the distance divided by speed toward
waypoint.  So if the course is taking 90 degrees to the bearing the TTG
gradually increases. 

joel clark

>-- 
>roy@wombat.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
>Public Health Research Institute
>455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016, USA
>"This never happened to Bart Simpson."


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From: petere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels)
Subject: Re: Depth Sounders
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:11:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.213940.4798@ultb.isc.rit.edu>,
jrcodl@ritvax.isc.rit.edu wrote:
> 
> I am in the market for a depth sounder for my sailboat.  I have noticed
> that those simple ones marketed for sailboats cost more than the lower
> cost fishfinders with speed and log functions.  I also fish from my boat
> so the fish function would be of some use.
> Is there reason *NOT* to use a fishfinder type with a transom mount on
> my boat
> What are the experiences out there?
> John
The *fishfinder* type depthsounders work fine on all boats; however,
transom-mounted transducers are really only suitable for very low speeds
(less than two knots or so), due to cavitation at higher sppeds.  Pay the
extra for a thruhull transducer, and you're set.
.
From: paulh@redcay.hw.stratus.com (Paul Himottu)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: 19' Century Raven I/O
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:06:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

I am looking at possibly buying a 1978 19' Century Raven I/O with a 188 hp V8
engine.  Does anyone know anything about the quality of this particular boat?
Also, would anyone know what the approximate book value should be for this
boat?  The boat has only been in salt water three times and is supposed to
be in very good condition.  The owner claims that the vinyl and teak are like
new.  I'll find out for sure when I look at the boat tonight.  Any information
that might help me would be appreciated.

Paul Himottu
paulh@redcay.hw.stratus.com
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Subject: Re: Beginner
From: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Date: 31 Aug 92 10:14:37 MDT
Reply-To: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Distribution: world
Organization: Utah State University

In article <6140067@hplsla.hp.com>, thatchh@hplsla.hp.com (Thatch Harvey) writes:

Some stuff deleted here and there

|>  if you want to own a boat, buy
|>a used one at least to start off with. You will be able to spend a lot less
|>for a given size or get more for the same money.  Remember, as soon as you
|>take delivery of a new boat, it becomes a used boat too.

Absolutly sound advice

|> It's also better
|>to have a boat that you consider too small than one that you consider too big.

Not so sure about this

There are 4 of us left at home.  The lake I sail on tends to get rough when it
is windy.  I figured a 19' open bow would be fine.  I bought the boat and
reality set in.  The kids want to take a friend.  We take toys with us, skis
knee board, and a large tube.  My married daughter and her husband want to go along.  A _large_ sack of food.  A larger bag of towels.  Skis, tow ropes, wet
jackets, sandles and aqua socks on the floor, and clothes covering every dry? spot.  Stubbed toes.  The truth is most of time the 19' is good enough, but
there are are times when another foot or two would be nice.  There are times
when another ten feet would be a help.  It is only going to get worse.  I can
see another knee board and pair of skis comming next summer.  Absolute fun!
My point is that you will put more on the boat than you think you will.
Without getting carried away give yourself some room.

--
Hal Lynch
	Internet: Hal@cache.declab.usu.edu
	DECnet:   USU::HAL
From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Sailboats
Date: 3 Sep 1992 21:43:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article 874@Armstrong.EDU, newso584@Armstrong.EDU (Robert Newsome) writes:
> Hi!  This question may seem naive, but I am a beginning boater and reader to
> rec.boats.  I have been thinking about whether to purchase a sailboat or a
> motorboat.  I think that I would like to have a sailboat, but I would like to
> hear some advantages/disadvantages of one over the other.  Furthermore, if I
> do decide to get a sailboat, what would be a good starter so that I can learn
> to navigate, etc.  In addition, what books may I read to get better aquainted
> with sailboats.  I have not been sailing yet, but my uncle has invited me to go
> with him on a Hans Christiansen (sp??).  What kind of things should I pay 
> most attention to?  Thanks for any information.  BTW, I would like a starter
> around maybe 10-15K, any suggestions?

Is this posting for real, or are we being put on?  On the off chance that this is 
for real, here is my STRONG advice.

DO NOT TRY TO DECIDE IF YOU PREFER SAILBOATS OR POWER BOATS BASED ON ANY LISTING
OF ADVANTAGES OR DISADVANTAGES OF EITHER YOUR READ ON THE NET - OR ANY WHERE ELSE.

GET OUT THERE YOURSELF AND EXPERIENCE EACH FOR A LITTLE WHILE.  THEN, YOU WILL KNOW
IF YOU ARE A RAGMAN OR A STINKPOTTER.

DO NOT BUY ANYTHING UNTIL YOU HAVE GAINED THIS EXPERIENCE.


'NUF SAID,

Jeff Huntington


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From: steph@cs.uchicago.edu (Stephen Wilson Bailey)
Subject: Re: Recomend good LORAN ???
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:04:35 GMT

We have a small Apelco LORAN, the 6300.  The current incarnation is
the 6350.  It works great for finding your way around.  It lacks
several features of some more expensive units, like our Sitex, such as
speed and course made good (towards a waypoint), course and distance
between two arbitrary waypoints, and waypoint sequencing, but we never
use these features on either unit, so I don't see this as big loss.
Also, its ``time to go'' function seems brain dead, inasmuch as it
just divides the distance by your speed over ground, ignoring your
course over ground.  You could be heading directly away from the
waypoint at it would still give you a non-infinite time to go.

The 6350 has a different keypad, and a slightly different LCD.  It
also appears (from the ``Route'' button on the keypad) that it will
allow waypoint sequencing.

Anyhow, our 6300 has served very well.  Also, it's mounted outside
(with the back covered) and we've no trouble with water.

Steph
From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Beginner
Date: 28 Aug 1992 23:42:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article 6140067@hplsla.hp.com, thatchh@hplsla.hp.com (Thatch Harvey) writes:
> 
> if you want to own a boat, buy
> a used one at least to start off with. You will be able to spend a lot less
> for a given size or get more for the same money.  Remember, as soon as you
> take delivery of a new boat, it becomes a used boat too. It's also better
> to have a boat that you consider too small than one that you consider too big.
> 
> 
>                       Thatch Harvey    


I certainly agree with Thatch on renting, or somehow get out sailing on boats, 
before you buy.  Also, it makes a whole lot of financial sense to buy a used boat.

However, I am not so sure it is any better to have a boat that is too small than
one too big.   (I think I would say the same thing about cars, houses, shoes, 
shirts, and beds.)  You will not be satisfied with a boat that is either too big
or too small for very long.  Add to that the typical tendency to move up to bigger
and bigger boats, and I think one could make a point for getting the biggest boat
that one can handle and afford.  In other words, if you can't get a boat that is
just right for you, I would say it it better to err on the side of getting one 
a little too big - I think you will be happier with it for a longer time.

Jeff Huntington


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