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From: kjk@unislc.uucp (Kirt Krammer)
Subject: Re: How do I bend an oak 4x4?
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:34:57 GMT

From article <dnsurber.718036807@node_26400>, by dnsurber@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (Douglas N. Surber):
> 
> I want to make two curved 4" diameter beams, 80" long. They will have a
> smooth circular arc 4" high in the center relative to the ends. If I
> could remember enough geometry I would tell you what the radius of the
> bend was. I would like to use white oak. Any suggestions would be
> welcome.
> 

You might consider cutting the curve you want out of a single, straight
4x4 using a bandsaw.  Then glue the two pieces back-to-back to form a 
curved beam of perfect uniformity.  The only waste is the sawdust.

          4"
      ____________           _____________
     |   \        |          \        |   \        
     |            |           \       |    \
     |     \      |            \      |     \
     |            |             \     |      \
     |       |    |              |    |       |
 80" |   A      B |   --->       |  B |   A   |
     |       |    |              |    |       | 
     |            |             /     |      / 
     |     /      |            /      |     / 
     |            |           /       |    / 
     |___/________|          /________|___/ 

         ^
         |
    Cut on dotted line.

BTW, this technique opens up a whole range of possibilities for the
creatively demented woodworker.  The friend who introduced me to
the idea had plans to bandsaw 4x4's with a wavey cut, rotate 90 degrees,
and do another wavey cut, then reverse and glue the 4 pieces to make 
columns for his porch that were bizarrely contorted in 2 dimensions.

-- 
Kirt Krammer                            speaking for hisself                
Unisys Corp, D1V03
322 N. 2200 W., Salt Lake City, UT 84116
801-594-5742   kjk@unislc.slc.unisys.com  -or- unislc!kjk
From: cxjpg@dcatla.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Subject: Lathes < $500?
Date: 25 Sep 92 11:19:14 GMT
Organization: Digital Communications Associates, Alpharetta, GA

Hi - does anybody on this group have any experience with lathes under $500?
My wife and I are looking at Delta's recent offering, which we can get for
around $390.  Additionally, what sort of chisels, attachments, etc. will
we want to get for our initial foray into turning?  We mostly want to
mess around and make the occasional small bowl, decorative turnings,
etc.  

Thanks!

/// Jeff Garbers
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
From: geraldp@mentorg.com (Gerald Page)
Subject: Re: Lathe sanding - avoiding sanding rings
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:36:18 GMT

>From mntgfx!news.mentorg.com!uunet!sun-barr!olivea!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!cbnewsc!cbfsb!att-out!walter!porthos!dasher!patter Fri Oct  2 09:01:24 PDT 1992
>In article <1992Sep28.121915.17741@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> psv2b@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Peter S. Vines) writes:
>>I've completed a couple of projects on a wood lathe; candle stands, lamps,
>>etc... It's always quite difficult to eliminate or avoid rings around the
>>object after sanding.  I use various grits, pressure, and speeds.  
>>Are there tricks that I'm missing, or will I always have to manually sand
>>the piece with the grain after I'm done with the lathe?
>
>There's an old saying that goes "You must sand seven times with the grain to
>remove a scratch made by sanding once across the grain". As far as I know,
>you're stuck with sanding each piece after removal from the lathe.
>
>patter@dasher.cc.bellcore.com

I'm a long way from being good on a lathe, but I always pride my pieces on the finish I
give them (the rest of it might not be any good :).  Usually I have a lot of mistakes to
sand out, so I go through the grits from 80/100 down through 220.  I then take some 600
wet/dry paper, add a little water, and put a nice sheen on the piece.  If I am going
to oil the piece (I usually use Watcos) I'll add that to the wet/dry sandpaper after
I get the right finish.  I'm often surprised how many scratches professionals leave 
on their workpieces... even very expensive pieces.   The extra step with the 600 
wet/dry seems to make the difference.  I very seldom sand after I get off the lathe.

As one other poster mentioned using a disk sander really helps for bowls.  I didn't
have much luck with my Random Orbital Sander, as the free-wheeling disk starts
spinning the same speed as the lathe.  I chuck a 5" 3M sanding disk in my 1/4" drill 
and that works great.  You have to be careful that you don't ruin the work on the edge 
of the bowl, though.  The disk sander will round over a nice sharp corner in a hurry.
Good luck!

Jerry
From: jeffj@panix.com (Jeff Jonas)
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Subject: re: hearing protectors
Summary: the ratings tell a lot
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:54:54 GMT
Organization: Jeff's House of Electronic Parts

Somebody mentioned hearing protectors
(the kind that looks like earmuffs or stereo headphones,
but contain sound dampening material).

Reading the label from my Peltor model H7A hearing protector,
I learned that

a) hearing protectors are rated in NRR (Noise Reduction Rating).
It's an average of the attenuation of all frequencies.
The chart looks like this

frequency  125  250  500  1000  2000  3150  4000  6300  8000
mean       17.2 24.0 29.7 38.4  40.0  45.0  39.6  38.8  38.2
std. dev    2.8  1.8  1.9  2.2   2.1   3.7   2.6   3.9   3.8

NRR 27 decibels

This is the highest of all the models they make

b) "although hearing protectors can be recommended for protection against
the harmful effects of impulse noise, the Noise Reduction Rating (NRR)
is based on the attenuation of continuous noise and may not be
an accurate indicator of the protection attainable against impulse
noise such as gunfire".

I guess this is saying that the hearing protectors used for gunfire
are different since they're concerned with impulse noise only.

c) the hearing protector I bought from Snap-On tools is a Peltor
brand, manufactured by Blue Point.  Enough names for you?

Another source of hearing protectors: welding supply stores.
My "Noisegard model 2011" (mfgr = FibreMetal) was cheaper,
but is rated NRR 22 overhead, NRR 21 behind head, 20 under chin.

The Peltor has a dual wire strap between the cups,
the Noisegard a single plastic strap.

- Jeffrey Jonas
jeffj@panix.com
From: Gen.M.Kanai@dartmouth.edu (Gen M. Kanai)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: SNOWBOARDING: Hardboot Reccomendations?
Date: 27 Sep 92 01:49:53 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Title says it all.  What do you use in what bindings, and how do you
like the combination on the type of snow you board on?

replies to gen.kanai@dartmouth.edu

anyone seen or used the new Raichle Concordia?

thanks in advance
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: carlson@raman.ECE.CMU.EDU (Daniel W Carlson)
Subject: Discount Ski Tickets???
Keywords: ski tickets, card, discount
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:12:41 GMT

     I thank rec.skiing for telling me about discount ski tickets last year.
My friends and I were able to get cheap tix at a grocery store off I-70
in Denver. They asked us why? Well they were cheaper than Ski the Summit
or other combo passes in Summit County. So I plan to do this again, but
I was wondering how well those ski cards work as an alternative.

	I've seen 2 advertised in mags and they say "Breck only $18".
How good are the SkiAmericard and NSA card? Only $8 seems good. But what
are the limits? Aren't they good in many states as well?

	Also, anyone have suggestions for lodging in Colorado during
New Year's week? Silverthorne was fine, but it's starting to get closer
to ski season. I'm looking for any area within a reasonable drive from
Denver.
	
	Wishing for a good early snow,

			Danny "Road-traveling skier" Carlson

	
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Jackson Hole vs Taos Trip
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 23:27:55 GMT

Taos: big bumps.  Try there.						3.0

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			Imhof, Cartographic Relief Presentation
			Books on or by Benjamin Whorf
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Lift prices roll toward $50 (options to skiing)
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:57:59 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

In article <1992Oct5.160425@is.morgan.com> sergei@is.morgan.com
(Sergei Poliakoff) writes:
>As far as high  costs pricing people out of the sport are concerned, 
>well, I'm priced out of yachting, polo, speedboat racing, African 
>safari trips, caviar tasting contests and other things that I would 

Sailing isn't too bad if you don't insist on being captain.  If you
are willing to crew, there are lots of boats for competent crew (with
marginal skippers at times).

Jumping out of planes tends to be expensive per unit time, and you have
numerous other excellent examples.  What else?  Helium ballooning (human
scale), private submarining [inexpensive exceptions], etc.
And a friend wants be to get into wine tasting.  A bottle of his family's
wine start at $35 a bottle a high price to start at ;^).

>I'm also priced out of skiing
>in Utah since flying there every weekend costs too much, and I suspect
>there is a collusion among airlines ...

No merely on strike.  Have you considered Denver and certain CO resorts?   3.0

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			Imhof, Cartographic Relief Presentation
			Books on or by Benjamin Whorf
			Wulf et al, The Design of an Optimizing Compiler
From: paul@hagar.tdd.sj.nec.com (Paul Gordon  x3856)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Man-made snow
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:59:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: sj.1992Sep30.185916.22922
Distribution: usa
Organization: NEC-AM TDD, San Jose, California

In article <SSH.92Sep30103235@snow.boulder.ibm.com> <ssh@vnet.ibm.com> writes:
>>>>>> On 30 Sep 92 15:58:32 GMT, gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber) said:
>
>AG> Obviously you need to visit more areas that don't do any snowmaking.
>AG> Ski Cooper; only snow "from god".  [jsalmi will like that].  Much
>AG> of Loveland, ABasin.  The back bowls of Vail.  
>
>Actually, I do.  I'm just curious if others have noticed this "problem" with
>the "wonderful" man-made stuff.  It seems to me that it actually reduces the
>quality of the times of the year when "pretend" snow isn't needed...
>--
>Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
>Where the earth rises to meet the sky...                           ISSC Boulder

  When living in Colorado I had a number of friends that also supported the
theory that the man-made stuff resulted in "icy" condition throughout the
season. I was never sure - it was always intermediate terrain that seemed to
suffer from this problem. Particularily the terrian that was first to open 
and generally skied the most. Which of course results in a greater need for
snow-making. So, is it the man-made snow or the heavy traffic that causes 
the "icy" conditions? I tended to favor the second theory, though I suspect
it is a mixture of both factors.

  Paul
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: davin@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Veale)
Subject: Randonee skis for sale
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:15:06 GMT



Alpine Touring /Randonee Ski Gear for Sale:
-Hagan Alpina skis, 180 cm, in good condition
-Silvretta bindings
-Dynafit Tourlite boots,  extremely light  (size 11-11.5)
-Coll-Tex mohair skins, the best
	Cost $700 new (on sale & with package prices)  asking $425
	If interested,  reply via e-mail or call Dave @ 206-528-5765 (Seattle)
From: bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Man made snow (SUCKS)
Date: 30 Sep 1992 16:44:10 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grendle.think.com

In article <SSH.92Sep30092229@snow.boulder.ibm.com>, ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994)) writes:
|>  
|> Has anyone else noticed that it seems that man-made snow has a tendency to ice
|> up slopes, even in the west?  Last year, I found really nice conditions
|> difficult to find except within a day of a snowfall...
|> --
|> Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
|> Where the earth rises to meet the sky...                           ISSC Boulder

Man made snow has more water per unit volume than natural snow.  The 
difference will vary depending on where the natural snow you are 
comparing it to is from (i.e. Lake Tahoe and N.E. areas have more water
than Utah areas).  Also, the crystalline structure of man made is different
than natural snow.  It tends to melt quicker and will re-freeze into 
ice.  Some of the N.E. areas also salt their heavily traveled runs (though
they will never admit it).  This helps melt the snow from a powder to a dense
"packed powder" (read ice) to form a so called "base".  If you see a run that
never seems to hold the snow, even right after it has snowed, its a pretty
safe bet that it has been salted at some time during the year.


Bob 

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Lift prices roll toward $50
Reply-To: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:22:31 GMT

In article <EenEl1_00iUyI7YI93@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Harold S. Lessure" <hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>    I don't have the slightest idea how many skiers subscribe to this
>board but I suspect that we represent enough of a commercial base for
>a successful petition against unwarranted/monopolistic inflation of
>lift ticket prices etc...
>
>    Why not have the electronic equivalent of a petition where bboard
>subscribers could indicate their displeasure and contribute their 
>names to an open letter....to be sent to ski industry representatives,
>legislators?
>
>    We do have a financial squeeze going on...and I suspect that
>competitive forces are not really working that well because the industry
>is rather limited and may easily engage in collusion.
>
>-Harold
>

PULL YOU HEAD OUT OF YOUR SKI BOOT HARRY, a million of us couldn't do squat
	to the ski areas! You are either unaware of how many people are really
	on this board..... or you don't realize how many ski areas there are
	and how monsterous and powerfull they are.

						Todd S.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Opinions wanted
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 23:59:40 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Sep25.110819@is.morgan.com> sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff) writes:
>On a similar topic, any other ski-world scams ? I can think of five more :
>
>1) original Rossi 4SK, a meek intermediate ski sold to general public as 
>	the top-level high-performance  ski, while racers used a same-graphics
>	"real" 4SK.

This is normal practise by every ski company.  Race stock skis are simply
not available to the public.  Well, actually you can get them, but it comes
under the category of "if you need to ask how..."  In fact with the 4S (and
probably the 7S now) Rossignol had three different molds (ie three different
sidecuts) available, plus were able to vary the flex and flex distribution
for each deserving racer, so there isn't really a single ski which could
be called the "real" 4S/7S.

>2) Edgar winning his mogul Gold  on Dynastar Coupe Du Mond's  covered 
>	with Vertical topskin.

Sure, personal preference.  That doesn't say that the Assault is a poor
mogul ski, but just that Grospiron prefers the SL.  No problem there.

> This actually touches off the whole issue
>	of "extreme" ski BS.

Indeed.  Most "extreme" skis have little to do with extreme skiing.  But
market forces being what they are...

What would be the attributes of a proper extreme ski? It's essentially a
high performance mountaineering ski: short, wide, light and very stiff.
Do any of the "extreme" skis on the US market meet this description?

>3) This is an arguable one : upward binding release on high-end bindings.  
>	In my experience, I have'n seen a single case when the binding
>	would release upwards. 

In 7 seasons of skiing on Look's ZRC/Z Racing bindings I have had one
fall where the release mode was predominantly upwards.  In the Look
design the upward release adds nothing to the complexity of the design,
nor the weight, so I see no disadvantage to the feature.  This may not
necessarily apply to other more complex designs.

[Disclaimer: I am sponsored by Look.  Disclaimer^2: I chose them, not
the reverse]

>5) Bindings that control the ski flex. In this case, SKIING testing team 
>	did well : in a blind test last year, they couldn't tell the difference.

While I have yet to try these, I would be surprised if they offered any
real advantage.

Perfection is attained not when there is no more that can be added, but
when there is no more that can be taken away.  [who said that?]

>Sergei

-- 
Hugh Grierson          Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand - Software Development Centre
hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz                Speaking for myself only.  See figure 1.
I'm a masochist -- I like a cold shower in the morning, so I take a hot one.
From: powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Banff & Lake Louise openings?
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:25:14 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta


Thanksgiving Day in Canada is Oct 12. I assume you mean American
Thanksgiving, which is Nov. 26. The only ski hill around here
that opens in Nov is Sunshine in Banff National Park. The others
traditionally open in December. This year however I'm not sure
even Sunshine will open in Nov. Lately we been getting hot and
sunny weather. Today for example the temperature is 28 degrees C
(86 F). Try phoning the following Alberta Parks & Tourism Ski
Report number (403) 521-5222 ext. 8896 for the latest info.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: redd@mpx2.lampf.lanl.gov (Dale Redd -- MP-6 Operations)
Subject: Re: In Defense of Texas Skiers!!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: rude texans, stay home billy bob
Organization: LAMPF Data Analysis Center, Los Alamos, New Mexico
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:52:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.225344.6764@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, von@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Von Worley) writes...
>In article <1992Oct02.210938.21092@bnr.ca> mhoyt@crchh47.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Michael Hoyt) writes:
>>In several previous articles regarding TAOS I couldn't help but notice
>>some shots at Texans.  
> 

> 
>>The next time you hike 30 or 40 minutes to reach that "special" run hoping 
>>to make first tracks only to find someone else has beaten you to it, you can
>>bet it was probably a Texan!!  It might have even been me!!
> 

I won't participate in Texas bashing in this forum, but I'll add a thought to
your boast:

The next time I have to wait 30-40 minutes while the ski patrol peels a body
off a tree or a boulder on my favorite expert run at Taos, you can bet it was
PROBABLY a Texan.

--Dale

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Lift prices roll toward $50
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 20:41:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.182231.13279@news.cs.brandeis.edu>
st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>In article <EenEl1_00iUyI7YI93@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Harold S. Lessure"
<hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>    I don't have the slightest idea how many skiers subscribe to this
>>board but I suspect that we represent enough of a commercial base for
>>a successful petition against unwarranted/monopolistic inflation of
>>lift ticket prices etc...

Check news.lists.
A quick glance did not even show rec.skiing in the top-1000 anymore.
Hard to complete with sex, pictures, and politics.

>>    Why not have the electronic equivalent of a petition where bboard
>>subscribers could indicate their displeasure and contribute their 
>>names to an open letter....to be sent to ski industry representatives,
>>legislators?

They are just a business.  A middle-man property holding industry.
Their suppliers raise prices, they raise prices.  The government is
partially responsible for some of the monopoly.  But go ahead.

Who are we?  Well, but best accounts, 90% of the readership of computer
nets are white (well, not me), male, in their early to mid-20s.  We can go on,
but we are not typically their cliente (maybe future cliente).

>>    We do have a financial squeeze going on...and I suspect that
>>competitive forces are not really working that well because the industry
>>is rather limited and may easily engage in collusion.

This would be interesting to watch.

>PULL YOU HEAD OUT OF YOUR SKI BOOT HARRY, a million of us couldn't do squat
>	to the ski areas! You are either unaware of how many people are really
>	on this board..... or you don't realize how many ski areas there are
>	and how monsterous and powerfull they are.

Now now, language.....

Very powerful.
The way to put the squeeze would be for everyone to take up cross-country
skiing, not that I would encourage that (not every one's cup of tea).
Can you imagine one day where no one went to downhill resorts and yet skiing.
Just a single day mind you.
Stagging idea.  This place might look like the Nordic countries or something.
Nay, stick to downhill resorts.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Opening dates?
Keywords: snow-making October
Date: 25 Sep 92 21:51:42 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Distribution: usa
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

All I can say is, it won't be long now. 

Fall has definitely arrived in Tallahassee (high of only 76 yesterday 
and it was a chilly 65 the last few mornings) so Winter in the Rockies 
cannot be far behind.  The hummingbirds appear to be loading up to 
migrate a bit early, so that might be a good sign.    ;-)

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
From: bassuk@milton.u.washington.edu (Jim Bassuk)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing in the rain
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:31:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.bassuk.717723079
Organization: University of Washington

johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:

>In article <323@mindlink.bc.ca> John_McKercher@mindlink.bc.ca (John McKercher) writes:
>>
>>Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to wear in the way of a ski pant
>>for those rainy days when it is important to stay dry? The pants I wear during
>>the cold weather would not be bad except that at the start and the finish of
>>the season they are just too hot to wear. So what do all you people wear?
>  
>O'Neil's (the inventor of the wetsuit) makes ski pants as well as wetsuits.
>They are the only thing that I've found that will always keep you dry when it's
>raining.

OK.......where can you find O'Neils ski pants......major chain or mail-order?


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