From: herm@merlin.etsu.edu (Herman H. Fredriksson)
Subject: Re: Bots, WarBots, Fun?
Keywords: bots, are, lame.
Organization: East Texas State University, Commerce, Texas
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:26:04 GMT

gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:
>Herman H. Fredriksson (herm@merlin.etsu.edu) wrote:
>: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:
>: >> I still feel alt.irc.bot would be useful (...)
 
>: NOT.

>I guess that is what we are discussing, or what?

Look, there is certainly not enuff traffic in alt.irc to justify
another newsgroup. If you wish to discuss ircII scripting take
your shit to alt.irc.ircii. If you dont receive alt.irc.ircii
ask yourself why not, and then ask yourself, if you dont receive
this, will you receive alt.irc.bots?

>: > [..people message this dude becos they want to have a whizbang bot too..]

>Do you know how annoying that is?

You placed the thing onto irc, you deal with it. 

>: > Also, programming techniques could be shared, so that all bots would be
 
>: Lame, weenie bots which give people a op (oh w0w) can be share/copied.

>I said PROGRAMMING TEXHNIQUES, and giving people an op can be a bit more than
>a single /on -join Gard mode $C +o $0
>[..simple irc script deleted..]
>This is not just an op, but an ensurement that only I will have my Nick - at
>least on channel #24892. This will prevent abuse of Glurg's mode commands.

So glurg is your channel reserver, which makes sure YOU have op on YOUR
channel now does it? Hey, why not just leave YOURSELF on that channel
with no /ons but with yourself left as chanop? Wont that be as prestigious?

>Also, earlier on, Glurg walked freely around on different channels commenting
>things, responding to whatever the people said, and in most cases, it would
>take quite a while or a /whois Glurg to discover that he was a bot. Now, that
>need a little more programming technique than a /on join Gard mode $C +o $0

If you think a automated client responding to things said on a channel
by sending some message back to the channel is optimal or good robot 
ettiquete, you are sadly mistaken. 

>: >optimized accordingly, and we could have fewer bots because bot programmers

>: Oh my god, the word bot, and optimized in the same sentence.

>Surprised by that? Optimizing could be like... having an assigned variable
>containing all the channels the bot is supposed to visit. and than just move
>a pointer every time he's supposed to visit a new channel, rather than having
>24892 on timer statements.

is that the same optimized that means you need to fire up a whole ircII
client to do a few simple messages/comparations/cutesy remarks on a channel? 
And then run another one for youself to talk to this thing?

>: >could agree to have only ONE bot with that and that function, and so on,
 
>: There is no agreement. That is why we have bot wars. 

>Of course there is no agreement - now. That is because the bot programmers
>don't have a forum in which they can get the agreement. Whilst on IRC, they

And there was I thinking IRC was an excellent tool for conversation,
holding a real time forum. Maybe some of us have missed the point here.

>are more interrested in debugging their bot or talking social stuff with
>others. A newsgroup like alt.irc.bots would work fine for that.

>: >       (gardabr@unix1.mrih.no)
 
>: herm
>: (say NO to unattended bots)

>say YES for better and more intelligent bots.

> Gard Eggesboe Abrahamsen   (gardabr@unix1.mrih.no)
>                            "The world is 24892 atoms"
>

BTW, I just went onto irc to take a look at your automated client.

Try this Mr Gard,

/on public "* *re*" say say hi, Glurg;say say hi, Glurg

then type: 

say hi, Glurg

And watch the floods increase from 1,2,4,8,16,32,etc... messages. Great
stuff Mr Gard, your stupid piece of shit WeenieBot floods the crap
out of the channel.

I guess if you were there when something like that happens you can
kill your bot, or try to disable its bad functions, but you werent there!

herm.
(say NO to unattended bots)
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