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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 22:05:00 EST
From:         RKESSLER@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Craftsmanship
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    Funny that NEW YORKER stories are under review. I always wish
I had more time to keep up with the emerging talent. I picked up
the July 27 issue and started reading _Baby's First Step_. By the
end of the second paragraph, I was in awe of this writer's talent.
Somebody good was definitely on the scene. I could picture using
this piece in class as a model. When I turned the page I saw the
author's name (I never look first): John Updike. I guess some of
the old dogs can still do some good tricks.
   _Rod
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:42:25 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: IRC
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>
> Bernardykins has just set up a Clambake channel on IRC.  But nobody has
> joined him yet. :-(
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

How can I get there?  I've *missed* Bernard!
ndh
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 07:37:44 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Manuals and Such
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> I'm playing around with the elm mail program and just discovered this
> interesting explanation of a command:  "Decrement current message by
> one."  Is there any wonder that people make fun of computer manuals?
> (Or am I just extra stupid?)

Uh oh.  I have no idea how to add my signature in elm.  I also discovered
that elm doesn't read my .mailrc aliases.  I just had to readdress this
to words-l@uga.cc.uga.edu instead of my usual alias 'words'.
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Subject: Re: Women in Combat

*** Resending note of 07/31/92 09:29

>> legs, guts spilling out, head blasted into an unrecognizable mass ...do
>> you women want that environment?

>Do men want that environment?  If men choose to do it or are forced to do
>it, women should be able to choose to do it or be forced to do it.  No, I
>don't want it.  But I don't know many men who do either.  (Besides, I'm
>too old now. :-)
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

First, let me say that my post didn't read exactly as I thought it ..
specifically the phrase "you women".  Sounds ugly to me, and is certainly
not how I meant it - I meant "the women on WORDS-L" in the absolute best
of meanings.  Now, as for "choosing" - I think few men choose to live such
horrors.  They do, however, take an oath to protect and defend their
country knowing, although distantly, all of what that might could some day
involve.  Since, as far as I know, women in the US are not required to
experience first-hand combat, as I described, due to existing rules, what
is the rationale?  Most likely men make the rules, but for noble or self-
serving reasons?  Because of tradition?  Because of, in most cases, of
stronger physical abilities?  Because of male chauvinistic attitudes?
Because of a desire to protect women? (Would you say that the old "women
and children first" concept is wrong?)  What about door opening, walking
on the curb side, etc.?  Is the old traditional Oriental walking line
(eldest man to the rear) wrong? (probably yes, as don't think it is as
common as once was, maybe Akio knows about this  -  I used to see these
"files of people" - children first to adults, women ahead of men - when
I was in Vietnam - was told this was done to protect elders, especially
men (front of line most likely to be ambushed, step on mine, etc.).
Well, enough of this - I'm getting depressed!
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:03:49 EDT
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: T/Metro/NYC
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>In NYC's subway, at 59th st i think, I took the wrong 4-story-one-solid-
>escalator, and had to *WALK UP* stairs (no up-escalator at that hour) to
>the top again for the proper platform. It was a single-file-up of stairs,
>too, no platform, no stoppingplace. Hufpufhufpuf.  Normally indifferent
>New Yorkers anxiously inquired as to my health and possible imminent
>demise.
That's one of my recurrent nightmares! The single-file-up of
stairs that goes on forever with no pausing places.

That, and the usual one about having to take a final exam in a
class that I have not gone to all semester and forgot to file
a "drop" for.

lvoe, judith, who has bad dreams
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:13:09 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Five Reasons (was tushar, boy..)
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> if you think i'm gonna read 200+ lines of this crap,you got another think
> coming....
> [...]
> the fifteenth quote of the same old crap....

That's what delete keys are for. :-)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:12:00 EDT
From:         ktw@HLWPK.ATT.COM
Subject:      Re: Wiz of Oz is a SATANIC PLOT!
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>>The Wiz has been (and continues to be) soundly protested by
>>some rightwingers (including in a Chicago suburb) because it
>>teaches kids about witches and subverts *C*hristianity.
>>It's a form of creeping satanism.
>
>When I taught Hebrew School three years ago, I guess I was subverting
>Christianity, too?...  Where do I report to be burnt?
>
>Ken

Just to clarify....when I posted this, I had in my head a particular
kind of Christianity, or what calls itself that.  Rev. Bailey Smith
Christianity, not Bishop John S. Spong Christianity.  No blanket
indictments, folks, and I hope nobody got that impression.

Ken
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:27:51 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Pix of Don Moore et al
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              22 Jul 1992 07:45:16 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:45:16 CDT Natalie Maynor said:
>I dreamed about Don Moore last night!
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

well, i won't tell Joyce if you don't.

He's got white hair, thin on top.  no beard.  About myheight, but thinner
since he's gotten on the straight and narrow.

really as wonderful in person as on the list.  quite a talker.  of course
that's true of most of us.

dan
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:54:20 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      What's with everyone today?

Why is everyone, including me, down in the dumps today?  I'm getting
more mail from Causerie than I am from this group!

Some reasons to be happy:  Today is Friday,  tomorrow is Lammas (first
day of harvest in the Pagan calendar), we'll have a place to stay in
Ireland, the drought in Ohio has ended, the passengers on the TWA
plane that crashed are still alive and well, ....

Evelyn
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:28:09 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: America's funniest
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              21 Jul 1992 12:36:41 EDT from
              <PBARFOOT%SUVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

On Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:36:41 EDT <PBARFOOT%SUVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu> said:
>suspected that you might be able to do some bizarre things(like
>making rude noises with your eyebrows or something) that AFP is
>so fond of.

hmmmm...since i've never seen the show, i didn't know they were into
eyebrow farts.  i was never even any good at the old "under the arm fart".

will have to keep pondering it....

hmmmmmm

dan
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: T/Metro/NYC
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:42:36 GMT

In NYC's subway, at 59th st i think, I took the wrong 4-story-one-solid-
escalator, and had to *WALK UP* stairs (no up-escalator at that hour) to
the top again for the proper platform. It was a single-file-up of stairs,
too, no platform, no stoppingplace. Hufpufhufpuf.  Normally indifferent
New Yorkers anxiously inquired as to my health and possible imminent
demise.  

--bayla (seriously asthmatic when stressed).
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:52:32 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject: Re: WHTMIT
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> > > > No no no no no nanette.....  The blue is too gaudy.  If you get the
> > > > blue, I won't ride with you...... often.
> > >
> > > giggles, she currently drives a *red* car. But don't tell her I told you
 so.
> > > Doris
> >
> > Caught you!  Yes, giggles, it *is* red...very red!
> > ndh
>
> On you it looks extraordinarily good.  I want a ride.
> --ggs

Of course, giggles...if I get to ride in the silver Miata.
Congratulations, by the way.
ndh
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:13:51 PDT
From:         "Elwood P. Dowd" <ELWOOD%UCSBVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Eating sugar

On Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:08:17 EDT Rita Marie Rouvalis said:
>a package of cookies every week or some snackies for me, it's just
>easier to use his diabetes as an excuse and not keep the stuff
>around.  One thing that has been great about it is that fruit tastes
>so much better and sweeter now that my tastebuds are not being bombarded

Gentle Rita,
   Deja vu be upon me!  My wife was just saying last night that food
seems to taste better when you live with a diabetic.  It's true for
the DMer, too.  I am still amazed at the things that I used to ingest.
So much of what I grew up eating was inundated with substances that
really don't promote good health, even in those not at risk.

/SOAPBOX MODE ON/  To all you gentlefolk; Learn the symptoms.  Get
tested *ANNUALLY* starting *THIS YEAR*.  <Don't do as I did, do as
I *TELL YOU*>.  /SOAPBOX MODE OFF/

Peace,
Elwood P.
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:51:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sea World (was re: Gleanings (54))
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> On Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:03:44 CDT Fear and Loathing Come to South Texas said:
>
> >And most redwood available today states that it is reclaimed from wine vats
> >that would have been otherwise destroyed and wasted. Might as well have nice
> >yard furniture that smells like cabernet the first time it rains.
>
> And if you believe that I have a bridge you might want to have a look at.
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> What do you think those tall, round, wooden things they cut down in
> northern California and BC are ?  Ah - I know: they erect fake trees
> made out of old wine barrels, and then allow the loggers to chop
> them down so they can keep their jobs.
> Tony H.

Now, *that* is so funny I am OTFAL.... after just recovering from
ndh's  funny of a few hours ago -- or was it -abh?  With all these
similar initials I get very confused.   I can't even remember what
it was now.  Ohmygoddddd, I can't find my STM.
BTW, do *you* know what CO is?
--ggs
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:04:34 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Uh Oh
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"From UGA: LISTSERV not logged on"
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 08:42:15 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: dreary weekend
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> >Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 02:14:33 GMT
>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 	Quick, so's I don't have to look up the conversion charts...
>
> 	When did Natalie mail this message, in terms of either EDT (Pittsburgh
> 	time) or CDT (Starkville time)?

Probably I sent it at 8:14:33 CDT.  Hmmm.  That seems odd.  Surely it was
later than that.  Aha!  I bet GMT stays the same in spite of DST.  So it
was really 03:14:33 in Greenwich (DST) at 02:14:33 GMT -- which means I
sent it at 9:14:33 CDT.  That sounds much more likely.

I didn't mail it.  I used the usenet reply command, which meant that it
showed up almost immediately for those who read the list on usenet.  I'm
glad that not many people use that method (replying via usenet).  Just
think how messy it would have been if the usenet people had been gabbing
away on the list yesterday while the listserv copies of the gab were piling
up to spew forth later in an incoherent glob.

> 	I won't even begin to ponder the question of why this message, unlike
> 	the vast majority of those flowing from Natalie's fingers, is
> 	time-stamped in Greenwich Mean Time.

Because the vast majority of those that flow from here flow via mail, not
via the nn's F command.  I normally use mail to reply to bit.listserv groups
on usenet even if I'm not a subscriber to the list.  (That "even" is weird
wording since I normally don't read bit.listserv groups that I do subscribe
to via mail.)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:29:38 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      IRC
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Bernardykins has just set up a Clambake channel on IRC.  But nobody has
joined him yet. :-(
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:09:00 EDT
From:         ktw@HLWPK.ATT.COM
Subject: Re: Kosher ( was Sea World )
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>
>Why would anybody put butter on a roast beef sandwich???
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Natalie, obviously you are Jewish...one of those Lost Tribes.

Ken <one of the Lost Boys>
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:02:17 EDT
Reply-To:     Graham Toal <gtoal@ed.ac.uk>
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Sea World (was re: Gleanings (54))
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On Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:26:27 -0500, "Nancy Harwood" <harwood@TENET.EDU> wrote:
> > Now, *that* is so funny I am OTFAL.... after just recovering from

> I realize I shouldn't admit this, but I *don't* know what OTFAL is...or at
> least what the AL stands for.  As I said earlier, I *don't* get out much.

On The Floor Already Laughing?

Nancy, *no-one* knows what any of these things mean.  You just make them
up as you go along - the fun is in guessing them...

WSMSWABW...

G
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:22:07 GMT
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
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Subject:      Re: Kids having kids

HI Adam,

I think the point is:  5 years difference ...quite a lot when comparing a
15 year old child, to a 20 year old person.  I expect the 20 year old may
be able to support themselves, and a child, but with a lot of sacrafices,
but would not feel the same way about a 15 year old.  Just the opinion
of an old man, who as ggs says has more years to gather experience than
most of this list, if not all.  Oh, there also may be a great deal of
difference in maturity with five more years of living.  Saw a great sign
in gift shop on top of Pikes Peak, went something like this:  Teenages..
are you parents unreasonable, make all kinds of rules, expect you to do
certain tasks - like clean your room?  Well, get out, pay for everything
your self ...WHILE YOU STILL KNOW IT ALL!   Loved it!  Reminds me of
something my first step-daughter said (she has son same age as Dawn - my
I'm getting old) ..anyway she told us (her mother and I), when she was in
her early 20's, that she was suprised to find out that we both were rather
smart and gave good advice, but when she was in her mid-teens thought we
both were so dumb didn't have sense to come out of the rain!  My how
perspectives change when your children become parents!

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:53:00 LCL
From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject: RE: HELP!
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>> We also scorn people who actually read manuals because any well-designed
>> software is so intuitive that manuals are a waste of perfectly good trees.

>I agree.  I also don't RTFM.

     When I'm unemployed, homeless, and eating out of dumpsters, I'll
     know who to thank.

     Carol "it's not an adventure, it's just a job"
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:15:42 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Here we go again (was re: CNN)
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              24, 92 5:58 pm

	Well, at least my brother is out of the Army this time.

Czarina
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:42:39 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: birth order
Comments: To: Melicent Tlucek Bryarly <melicent@tenet.edu>
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On Wed, 29 Jul 1992, Melicent Tlucek Bryarly wrote:
>
> What about the wonderful third child....such as myself?
> Melicent, whose first-born sister is nothing like the ones listed in the
> Birth-Order Book.

Well, you are indeed wonderful...and much more relaxed than us uptight
firstborns.  :-)
ndh
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:18:15 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Sea World (was re: Gleanings (54))
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              28 Jul 1992 01:02:00 GMT from <WERTSJ%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM>

On Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:02:00 GMT WERTSJ said:
>picnic, and watched the Killer Whale and Dolphin show.  While I love
>watching those wonderful mammals, I wasn't thrilled about the tricks;
>I think the more I see such things, the worse they make me feel.

   Hmmmmm....I feel that the animals are doing the tricks because they WANT
to do them.  Sure they get rewards, just like we get rewards for showing
up to work and performing OUR tricks.  But, just like people, some can't
or won't be trained, won't learn, etc.

>it's probably worth it - but I am somewhat troubled by the way we as
>a society tend to treat animals (especially the more intelligent
>ones, such as dolphins).

   I agree that many animals are mistreated, but I don't think the dolphins
at Sea World and the like fit that category.  Just like an owner of
championship dogs, fine horses, etc, it is in the owner's best interests
to take very good care of his property.  Plus, the factor of love and
affection enters into it with dolphins, just like it does with Quincy
or Muffy or Bernard.....(well, maybe not for bernard, but....  8-)    )

   dan the animal lover
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From: jwagner@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Judith O Wagner)
Subject: Re: Apophasis
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:00:54 GMT

In article <9207271625.AA08769@Ra.MsState.Edu> maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU (Natalie Maynor) writes:
>Has anybody mentioned Sister Miriam Joseph as a good source.  A rhetoric
>colleague of mine said she's "old but good."
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Could this be the same Sister Miriam Joseph (C.S.C) who taught at
St. Mary's College, Notre Dame IN and wrote The Trivium--a required course
for all St. Mary's girls!

2Judith who was there before "girls" was a bad word

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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:02:57 EDT
From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Quote for the day

Kind words are jewels that live in the heart and soul and remain as
blessed memories years after they have been spoken.
                                - Marvea Johnson
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