From: un040251@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: the truth about lies (was Re: Lies ...)
Date: 5 Apr 92 06:58:45 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

>>> Wow, Bob.  How much misinformation can you fit into one post?  First of 
>>> all, what is this "territorial rights" stuff?  Baltimore has done nothing
>>> for or against Washington getting a baseball team.  It has NEVER claimed
>>> that Washington is part of its territory.  The fact that ML baseball 
>>> simply recognizes that DC residents can travel 40 minutes to see baseball
>>> while Colorado residents have to travel to Kansas is no fault of the 
>>> Orioles.  All they did to keep DC from getting a baseball team was
>>> exist.  Unless you have proof otherwise, you should not be making these
>>> accusations on the net.
>>
>>No it's true.  As they are afraid it will affect them, the Orioles management
>>has repeatedly pleaded the case that the Washingtonian market is theirs and
>>should not get a new franchise.  They have done than many a time.  I live in
>>annapolis and get both the Washigton Post and the Baltimore Sun (although
>>I like the sun better) and I see the O's doing this all the time. Almost
>> everytime it comes up. 
>>> 
> 
> Wait a second-- I thought that the Orioles management was
> staying neutral in the "Baseball for DC" matter- not helping
> campaign, but also not saying no (doesn't MLB need Orioles
> approval to put a club that close??)

If the Baltimore Sun is to be trusted then the Orioles have made repeated 
attempts to move against it though they haven't said if the would outright veto
it or if they are just raising steam.
> 
>>> Now lets look at some real facts.  The Washington Bullets came from 
>>> Baltimore.  Baltimore subsequently has no pro basketball team, in
>>> spite of being perhaps the best city in the nation at producing young
>>> basketball players (witness the perennial #1 ranking of Dunbar HS.)
>>> 
>>What's this got to do with football or baseball?  In fact what does producing
>>HS basketball players even have to do with getting a NBA team for Baltimore?
>>Just because a state plays good HS basketball doesn't entitle it to a pro
>>franchise.
>>
> 
> Somehow, I think that it might be time to give the Bullets back-
> anybody check their record lately?? Plus, I heard that Pollin is
> having $$$ trouble.
> 
I ignore them, if i bothered to look at their record I might die laughing.

>>> Baltimore has no NHL team.  Why?  Baltimoreans can drive down to 
>>> see the Caps.  They don't *need* one.  
>>> 
>>They have the Baltimore Skipjacks!  Oooooooooooo!  :)  
>>
>>> Baltimore has no NFL team.  Why?  They share the Redskins market, in
>>> spite of the fact that even Washingtonians can't get tickest to see
>>> Redskin game.
>>> 
>>If this were true then Baltimore would not be a serious contender for an
>>expansion team...so it is being considered to replace the Dolts.
>>
> 
> Baltimore might have a better shot if they had one organized 
> group bidding for expansion- last time I checked they had two or
> three groups (one of them Clancey's).  Though, as a temporary
> resident of Indiana, they might be able to hit the Irsay's over
> the head and take the Colts back-- the people who actually live
> here don't seem to care about them at all...
> 
I heard a while ago that Starr had pulled out is this true?  The theory behind
what they are doing is that they are trying not to put all the eggs into 1
basket, thereby if one group pulls out at the last minute then there are 2
others to fall back on.

>>> So here are your facts Bob.  Baltimore has ONE major sports team.  That
>>> team did NOTHING to stop Washington from getting an NL franchise.  
>>> Washington's other major sports teams are the single largest obstacle
>>> that Baltimore faces in getting a football, basketball, or hockey
>>> team.  If anyone has gotten screwed in this relationship, it is 
>>> Baltimore.  
>>> 
>>> Next time you want to post accusations, why don't you try to come 
>>> up with some facts first?  
>>> 						----Ken Winkler
>>Brian Mulholland
> 
> Susan McConihay
> proof positive that you can love the Redskins & the Orioles at
> the same time
> 
I like both, most sports fans from the Annapolis area are like this.
> -- 
>  Susan McConihay           |"It is not enough to have a good mind.
>  mcconiha@gn.ecn.purdue.edu| The main thing is to use it well."-
>                            |          Rene Descartes


Brian Mulholland