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From:         "Stephen M. Hayes (219) 239-5268"
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Subject:      Re: NEW BBS A DEATH NOTICE???

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Here is a FIRST... me defending GPO.

Before I will go off on GPO on this bulletin board initiative,
I will be curious to hear what GPO has planned.  This is part-
icularly true since in a recent proposal, I and others suggested
that GPO begin just such an initiative to "gain experience in
Bulletin board technology and GPO; gage agency interest; get some
actual cost estimates and then as a second stage offer it to the
Depositories..."

I can hope that this is the FIRST STAGE of just such an experiment.
I would hope so, since it is policy that what GPO has in its
sales program, is also in the Depository libraries.  Once the
more realistic costs and experince is gained, I think/hope/expect
GPO will begin offering this to the Deps.  If not, the trust level
within the Depository commmunity will fall to a new low.

So for right now, I say,lets applaud GPO initiative in this new
service, try it out, express our expectation that this WILL become
part of the Dep. Program and support GPO in this new effort.

Hows that for a suprise statement and support for GPO from one of
its strongest supports  AND MOST VOCAL CRITICS!!!

As usual vocally... in Hoosierland

Steve Hayes.
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:26:32 CDT
From:         Carolyn Radcliff <CRADCLIF@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      CDC National Health Interview Survey

About a year ago, our library received the 1987 National Health Interview
Survey on CD-ROM from the National Center for Health Statistics.  The CD
comes with a Data Use Agreement which must be signed and returned before
the CD-ROM is used.  The Agreement is intended to protect the confidentiality
of survey participants and says, more or less, that no attempt will be made
by users of the CD-ROM to identify individuals and that if any identification
is inadvertently made, the incident must be reported to the Director of the
National Center for Health Statistics.  Also, no part of the data set may
be released to anyone who is not a member of the organization to which the
CD-ROM was sent.

How are depository libraries handling this?  We can, of course, sign the
agreement on behalf of the library, but how can we control what users do
with the data?  We have considered making everyone who wishes to use the
CD-ROM sign a copy of the agreement, but are there other, better solutions?

Thanks for any advice on this.

Carolyn Radcliff
Kent State University Libraries
cradclif@kentvm
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:20:58 CDT
From:         DIANN@prime.mhsl.uab.edu
Subject:      How about Louisiana?

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I realize that Florida was hit much harder than southern Louisiana,
but I know that there was damage there, as well.  Anybody heard
anything?  Anybody from southern Louisiana on the list?  How did
your libraries fare?  And, of course, how did you all personally
fare through the storm?

Diann Weatherly
University of Alabama at Birmingham
Diann@prime.mhsl.uab.edu
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:53:24 CDT
From:         James P Love <LOVE%PUCC@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: FEES TO BE ABLE TO USE DEPOSITORY ITEMS
              27 Aug 1992 16:08:51 CDT from
              <ROAKLEY%GUVAX.BITNET@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>

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On Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:08:51 CDT <ROAKLEY%GUVAX.BITNET@PSUVM.PSU.EDU> said:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>
>  You all may want to check out the latest issue of Admin Notes (mine
>arrived yesterday (dated Aug 15).  On pp 14-15 there is an article
>about offering the U.S. Code on CD-ROM.  There are at least three
>things of interest here.
>
>  First, the CD is not being offered on its own, but only as an
>alternative to paper.  (You can't have both; you must choose.)  The
>Depository Library Council has expressed its opinion most clearly that
>a CD product is not the equivalent of a paper product for a whole
>variety of reasons.  What does everyone else think about this one.
>
Good point, what's going to happen when the Federal Register and
Congressional Record are online?

>  Second, In order to use the new CD product, you have to use some
>software that is included on the disk.  But, catch this, the license
>fee for the software is being passed on to the library!  It's not much
>($10), but still it seems a little strange that the information is
>being provided "free" but to use the information depository libraries
>have to pay.

Searching software for CD-ROMs is now widely available.  GPO, as
potentially a *huge* customer, should be buying code, not licening
software under these terms.  Better yet, buy code that will work
with a wide range of full text products.

>
>  Third, the cost goes up if you want to load the information on a
>network--potentially as high as $65.  The GPO copies will all be
>standalone copies; if you want to put it on a network the library is
>responsible for making the arrangements with the software vendor.
>
What's next, metered use?  Will they "license" software for the
gateway/windo on similiar terms?   GPO needs to start thinking
these things through.




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James Love, Director               VOICE:    202-387-8030
Taxpayer Assets Project            FAX:      202-234-5176
P.O. Box 19367                     INTERNET: love@essential.org
Washington, DC 20036
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:22:25 CDT
From:         PHIL VAN <LB.PEV%ISUMVS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Subject:      GPO BULLETIN BOARD

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My assumptions about the GPO bulletin board were based upon the
phrase in the announcement that read "The Government Printing
Office will BEGIN operating a NEW electronic bulletin board".
This made it appear that the one which we have been using was
not the one being addressed. Also there was a paragraph about
charges for the service. (By the way, the capitalized words
in the quote are my emphasis to illustrate my point). As Julie
pointed out, if you look at the list of Sigs in the FDLP bulletin
board, you will see an impressive list of new databases. I had
not seen it since Friday or Monday. So everyone can relax. It
looks like to "Federal Computer Week" notice left the wrong
impression. GPO IS doing the right thing.
Phil Van De Voorde
LB$PEV@ISUMVS.BITNET

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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:32:12 CDT
From:         gdb2@po.cwru.edu
Subject:      Re: FEES TO BE ABLE TO USE DEPOSITORY ITEMS

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
In response to Bob Oakley's posting  late last week:

The $10.00 licensing fee for the U.S. Code cd software is not (according to
our item survey 92-100 dated 4 May 1992) being passed on to depositories
for single user workstations, it is being paid by GPO. However, if
depositories want to network the product the will incur the additional $15.
- $65. license.

What's interesting is the line of thought that seems to have been used to
arrive at this formula. The notice in AdNotes goes to great lengths to
assure us that this policy is "no different " than the "choice" (if you
will) between paper and microfiche. Not having seen anything about the
product, it's well nigh to impossible to judge whether the cd will be the
equivalent of the paper/fiche one (need we mention the Congressional Record
cd?) The actual line of thinking here seems to be that only one individual
can use a printed volume of the U.S. Code at a time, thus the standard for
electronic access can be based on that, thereby ignoring the possibilities
that are inherent in the electronic format. This sounds like another move
toward electric microfiche: lower costs for GPO, but no particular benefit
for the user except the continued avalibility of the product. If
depositories want to do the fancy stuff (like use the product to its
potential), let 'em pay.

George Barnum, Head of Government Documents
The University Library, Case Western Reserve University
11161 East Blvd., Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7151
(voice)216-368-6512  (fax) 216-368-3669
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From:         VICKY YORK <alivy%msu.dnet%mtsunix1.BITNET@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Subject:      OFFERS: RIE/CIJE (paper)

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Ccan anyone use the paper copies of RIE/cIJE?
we have available:
CIJE  1969-1974 annual cuumulation , 1975-1991 semiannual cumulation

RIE -1968- 1991
We would ask to be reimbursed postage/shiiping
please reply to me, no the list
Vicky York
Montana State University
alivy@mtsunix1.bitnet
406-994-6658
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 09:18:31 CDT
From:         Kim Ranger <rangerk@GVSU.EDU>
Subject:      re:Electronic DOE

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          We do not have much demand for the Environmental Impact
          Statements or Environmental Assessment.  I think our
          professors might use these if they were available through
          internet (not the bulletin board!), but our students would
          not have access.

          Kim Ranger
          Documents/Reference Librarian
          Grand Valley State University
          Allendale, MI 49401
          (rangerk@gvsu.edu)
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From: kclelan1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Kate Cleland)
Subject: Re:      Re: FEES TO BE ABLE TO USE DEPOSITORY ITEMS
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:05:46 GMT

In article <01GO9JYRLB7490O4VX@guvax.georgetown.edu>,        
ROAKLEY%GUVAX.BITNET@PSUVM.PSU.EDU writes:
> 
>	This is a more general reply to the recent announcement of dual formats
	for the U.S. Code...choose one.

	Is there any effort among documents librarians to have the GPO survey
	us first about feasibility and maximal use of materials in new formats
	before they decide to convert them?   This should be done as a matter
	of policy, but we shouldn't have to resort to passive aggressive sabotage
	in the form of unilaterally refusing the new materials to make the point!
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:18:40 CDT
From:         JOHNSLI%SJSUVM1@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject:      TREATIES IN FORCE

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
From: Linda Johnson

We spoke to Sheila McGarr at GPO who indicated the 1991
issue of TREATIES IN FORCE was not distributed by the Dept.
of State through GPO.  The 1992 issue is coming through
GPO and will be mailed soon.
Linda Johnson
San Jose State
JOHNSLI@SJSUVM1
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:52:35 CDT
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From:         "R. Lee Caruthers" <RLCARU01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      USA Counties Problem

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Librarian
PHONE: 588-6760

For those of you who have tried to print out from the new USA Counties CD-ROM,
have you experienced problems when trying to print more than a page? Ours
aborts after one page and throws us back to the menu screen.
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 09:11:03 CDT
From:         Byron Stewart <BYS274F%SMSVMA@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Subject:      Missile silos...give peace a chance!

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You know it's Monday when...this person wants to buy a missile silo, and he
wonders if there are blue prints, specs, etc...."do they have living quarters,
sanitation facilities, etc..."  (I'm serious, folks!)...Anyway, cannot find
anything of the sort from 1976-present in Docs...did find some articles on
abandoned missile silos in InfoTrac....but, anyone have ANY ideas how to
find dimensions, blue prints, etc. of missile silos...(and this is just
Monday!)
   Thanks in advance and please respond to me directly...

Byron Stewart
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SW Missouri State Univ.
Springfield, Mo      ph:417-836-4533
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:44:53 CDT
From:         RAED@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject:      electronic EISs

****************************** 1st message *********************************

Date sent:  2-SEP-1992 16:48:43
In response to Linda Kopecky's request for input, I have not found much
demand for Environmental Impact Statements from our patrons BUT I do think
it's a good idea to make their abstracts available electronically.

                        Tim Hartnett
                        State University of New York at Plattsburgh
                        HARTNETC@SNYPLAVA

************************ 2nd message ****************************************
Yes to electronic access of EIS and environmental assessment abstracts.  Our
department is especially interested in impact statements and environmental
assessments concerning Native American lands, and of course, New Mexico and
the Southwest region.

Teresa Marquez
Government Publications Department
University of New Mexico General Library
e-mail: TMARQUEZ@UNMB.BITNET

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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:47:56 CDT
From:         Dorie Bertram <C53008DB@wuvmd.wustl.edu>
Subject:      Treaties in Force

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
This is being cross posted to the Govdoc-L and Law-Lib lists.

For those of you following Govdoc-L (or reading your _Administrative Notes_
carefully, you know that the Government Printing Office did not distribute
the 1991 edition of _Treaties in Force_.  We have tried many sources (including
Bernan & GPO) only to find that it is out of print.

For those of you who would like to acquire the 1991 edition, it will be
reprinted by William S. Hein & Co. this fall.  You can place orders by calling.

William S. Hein Co.
(800) 828-7571

**************************************
Dorie Bertram
Documents Librarian
Washington U. Law Library, St. Louis
(314) 935-6484
Internet: C53008DB@Wuvmd.wustl.edu
BITNET:   C53008DB@Wuvmd
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:41:37 CDT
From:         Paul L Belloni <plb4@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      GB median income

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Hi.
I am trying to find annual personal MEDIAN income of Great Britain for 50
years.  I have read that it is in the Survey of Personal Incomes, which we do
not seem to have.  Does anybody know of anything else before I send this
student to inter-library loan.  I am hoping I am just missing something
obvious.
thanks,
Paul Belloni
plb4@midway.uchicago.edu

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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:21:32 CDT
From:         Jean Sears <JSEARS%MIAMIU@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Subject:      UN STOs Summary

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
A few weeks ago I asked for information on UN standing orders.  Several
people requested that I summarize responses for the list.  Although I did
not receive a lot of responses, those I did get were very helpful.  My
thanks to those who replied.  Here's a summary:

One university has a standing order to the Readex UN microfiche, excluding
Secretariat publications, and also has a standing order to all sales number
categories through the UN.  They are relying on the microfiche for the
official records and are not getting those in paper.  The Readex fiche
subscription includes the CD-ROM index.  Before subscribing to the sales
publications through the UN, they had a subscription with a commercial
vendor, but they experienced difficulties and switched to the UN.  They have
been happy with the UN service.  Annual cost of all sales number categories
at last check was $10,000.

Another university reports they also have a comprehensive standing order
directly with the UN for sales publications and have had good service.
Shipments come with shipping lists and invoices and there are monthly and
quarterly publication lists.  They also subscribe to the Readex microfiche
with CD-ROM index.  The UN subscription allows choices among numerous
categories.  They report spending about $7000 per year on the sales
publications and $7000 per year on the fiche.

A college library reports that they were subscribing to selective series
from UNIFO before UNIFO discontinued their service.  They were getting
annual and biennial statistical yearbooks and paper official records for
the General Assembly and Security Council.  They also subscribe to the
Readex microfiche.  They were spending $5000 a year with UNIFO.  They plan
to drop the paper official records and rely on the microfiche.  Because
of a state bidding process, they will first be dealing with vendors
already having library contracts in their efforts to replace UNIFO.  What
those vendors can't supply will probably be obtained from UNIPUB.

Another university provided an estimate of a UN comprehensive standing
order of about $10,000 a year, but many smaller packages are also
available.


Jean L. Sears
Documents Department
Miami University Libraries
Oxford, OH  45056
(513) 529-3342
jsears at miamiu.bitnet
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:54:56 CDT
From:         "Stephen M. Hayes (219) 239-5268"
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Subject:      Re: FEES TO BE ABLE TO USE DEPOSITORY ITEMS

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Once again, decisions are made in D.C which negatively effect
the DEPS.  There are many in GPO now who do not think as we
do and are not afraid to act in a particular direction. UNLESS
the GPO administrators, the COngressional oversight committees,
and our congressional reps hear of our displeasure... and more
IMPORTANTLY, the negative impart such decision will have on
their constituents, served by the depositories within their
Congressional disctrict, such decision will continue.

I would be interesting for all of us to write GPO, and copy
the JCP and COngressional reps, stating how we "decided not
to select this CD since 1) we feel we already invest a great
deal of money in the Dep system 2) interprete that software and
the cost of such software rests with the GPO and its Appropriated
budget, and 3) do not feelthese are duplicative copies/editions
of a title but unique titles which should be offered as well as
the paper version, and FINALLY, that we have declined the
offer and this WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE USERS OF THE DEPOSITORIES
BY FORCING THEM TO MAKE USE OF COST-FREE BUT TECHNOLOGICALLY
LESS DEVELOP FORMATS.

We should ask for a reversal of this policy immediately.

BUT being the eternal pessimist, I think most doc libn will roll
over and play dead and only complain toeach other about this
poor and evil decision bu GPO.  I HOPE I'M WRONG.

always the trouble maker,
Steve Hayes, loud mouth in Hoosier LAnd

naturally, these are my own opinions... no one else would be so
stupid as to take them.
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:04:06 CDT
From:         lopresti robert <lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
Subject: Re: electronic DOE

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I say YES! to Environmental Impact Statements on computer, particularly
if they are available free through the net.  This is NOT as good as
having them in paper, but (particularly for those out of our local area)
they would be better than nothing.

Huxley College, which is part of Western Washington University, is
an environmental studies school, and teaches several courses on environmental
and social impact each year.  The students literally use EISs as text books
and learn to write them.  So the more the merrier.

                 THE OPINIONS EXPRESSED HERE ARE SOLELY MY OWN
Rob Lopresti                            "Any man can learn to learn from the
Wilson Library                           wise, once he can find them, but learn
Western Washington University            to learn from a fool and the whole
Bellingham, WA                           world's your faculty."
98225-9103                                                 -John Ciardi
                          lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:28:30 CDT
From:         Margaret Scott <scott@bradley.bradley.edu>
Subject: OFFER: duplicate fiche

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
We have the following duplicate fiche to offer.  They are as follows.
HE 22.414:991/v.22 Medicare unique physician identifucation number
for the states of Alaska, Idaho, Oregon and Washington
HE 22.414:991/v.4 Medicare Unique physician identification number
for the areas of New York City and Metropolitan Areas.
NAS 1.61:1213 The Cassini mission:
Y3.N88:25/4219/v.8,no.2 Heavy-section steel tech program.
Please send your requesty to Scott@bradley.bradley.edu.
Thanks
Peggy Scott
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From:         VICKY YORK <alivy%msu.dnet%mtsunix1.BITNET@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: electronic DOE

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I echo Rob's sentiments.  EIS materials wouuld be ideal in electronic
format if for no other reason than a way to identify them - they
hardly ever show up iin the Monthly Catalog and we have several
programs here on campus where the students use them.  We can alwaysobtain
the ones from Yellowstone or the various Montana national forests
directly but  it would be great to see what is coming out and
an abstract would be better than nothing.  Go for it.
Vicky York
Montana State University
Bozeman, Mt
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