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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DARK HORSE - Aliens - Colonial Marines #1 (SPOILERS)
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:39:10 GMT
	<1993Jan25.141520.13309@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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In-reply-to: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu's message of Mon, 25 Jan 93 14:15:20 GMT

>>>>> On Mon, 25 Jan 93 14:15:20 GMT, jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) said:

jelmore> Regarding the "acid for blood" issue, am I wrong in thinking
jelmore> that they had developed "blood"-prrof cloth in
jelmore> ALIENS:GENOCIDE? I'm not talking about the bulky suits of
jelmore> armor, but the stuff the guys were wearing in issue #1 in the
jelmore> lab.

Yes they did develope an acid proof suit, but I thought it was bulky.
The suits were filled with some chemical. When the acid hit the suit,
it would burn though some, but would hit the chemical, and be instantly
neutralized.

--
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 ss@wpi.wpi.edu                             wpi.wpi.edu       130.215.24.1
From: DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Hellblazer's Still Not That Great
Date: 27 Jan 93 08:15:10 GMT
 <1993Jan23.214426.13044@udel.edu> <93025.190157DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <1993Jan26.200333.2520@midway.uchicago.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

>

   YIKES!  Good thing I remembered to wear my asbestos
   suit today........


>Well, I for one am glad you got off the stuff before it was too late!
>I guess it's a good thing they let 'stupid people' have doctorates,
>or, boy, I'd just be out of luck, wouldn't I?  It's a good thing the
>youth are so much better educated, today, or we'd have a lot tougher
>time dealing with the world market, wouldn't we?  In my day, we
>weren't so bright, must've been all that pot, instead of pot-bellies,
>we had all these silly libertarian ideas that just weren't good for
>us.  Maybe if I donate my brain to pseudoscience, it could help
>curtail the rampant rise stupidifying things.

  Let me clarify what I meant by "stupid".  I did not mean
 intrinsically unintelligent.  I meant under the long-term
 influence of marijuana, which I believe tends to impair
 the mental faculties of any individual, no matter how
 intelligent a person they may be.

 Oh, by the way, I didn't ask for a discourse about
 how wrong the pot laws are.  That's not what I'm
 addressing.  I'm talking about the physical effects
 of marijuana.
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From: daq@fc.hp.com (Doug Quarnstrom)
Subject: Re: Who is Spawn?
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:34:22 GMT
Organization: SPUGE
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

John F. Sasso (sasso@flounder.phy.anl.gov) wrote:
: In article <C1JAu4.MFE@fc.hp.com> daq@fc.hp.com (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
: > (GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu) wrote:
: >Actually, I can see the motivation for artists to associate themselves
: >with Image.  Regardless of the quality, it allows them to reap the
: >benefits of their work.  For a sure seller like Moore, this should 
: >be quite attractive.
: >
: 
: What is the big complaint about Image?  Lack of writing.
: Why do people buy Image titles?  For the art.

You misunderstand me.  The IDEA behind image is very good.  The
paper and inking quality is very good.  They have some talented
comic artists.  The writing is almost universally banal in my opinion.

: 
: Image has a stable of artists that no other company can touch.
: Add to that the best writers in the business (and who's top 10
: list wouldn't have Gaiman, Sim, Moore, and Miller?), and I can
: name two struggling giants that should be afraid.  

If they manage to keep the people you name here, then they could
be said to have some of the best writers in the business.

:Very afraid.

Not really.  The giants will likely be doing quite well after
Image has gone the way of the dodo.  Image is a good idea, but
they don't seem to be doing a great job of making it work.
Running a successful company takes management skills that these
fellows may not have.

doug
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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Organization: Deathless Squid of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:34:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.031019.26171@netcom.com> dhawk@netcom.com (David Hawkins) writes:
>
>leekil@bbn.com (Lee Kilpatrick) writes:
>
>>I figured that the Corinithin scene was in the past, since the
>>Corinthian is no more.  But perhaps Dream reconstitutes him to fulfill
>>his boon to Orpheus.  Therefore, Dream isn't directly involved, and
>>the Kindly Ones' wrath is not drawn.
>
>
>If a Dream that Dream created (or re-created) killed Orpheus, then I
>think everyone would still hold Dream responsible.  I think that's why
>Dream had to use a human agent to rescue Orpheus in the first place --
>if a dream did then it would be the same as Dream doing it.  But I
>don't know that a human agent would be willing to pay the price for
>killing Orpheus - no matter what the reward from Dream.  Loki or Puck
>might be willing ...

But, but, he's only a head! How do you kill someone who can keep living 
without the aid of most of his body?

Seriously, something big will have to happen before Orpheus can die. 
At the moment, Death can't take him. If the boon he asks for is death,
Dream would be hard put to grant Orpheus that request. I would guess that
it would require that Dream take control of Death's realm or something equally
drastic. We've seen that members of the Endless don't even like to visit
the realms of their siblings, so working within those realms would be a
desperate act. 

At this point, we really don't know enough about the rules that govern
the Endless to guess what they can and can't do in situations like these. 
I think the next two issues of the Brief Lives series might set up what we
can expect in The Kindly Ones. 

ObObscureQuote: I still find it odd that in The Song of Orpheus (Sandman
Special) there's that prediction that the Furies will never forgive 
Orpheus for making them cry when he sang in the underworld.

(part 30something)----------
 Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith  | "I'm sorry, but our survey of the target audience
   (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)     |  shows that the kids just aren't interested in
 Unsalted X-Peanuts: The   |  peanuts. Unless you can come up with some mutant
   Death of Dark Peanix    |  powers, we're going to have to cancel the title."
From: mmunoz@vxcrna.cern.ch (MUNOZ,MARC./DG)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: PAD books this week (Hulk, X-Factor)
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:32:00 GMT
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <rlcarr.09zf@animato.network23.com>, rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro) writes...
>In article <74259@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>> The Juggernaut's helmet is indeed "magic" in that it protects him from
>> any *psionic* attack.  That goes all the way back to his first appearance,
>> when they finally managed to stop him by Spider-Man teaming with the X-Men
>> to help rip his helmet off, at which point Prof. X put him down for the
>> count with a mental blast.
> 
>Not any more...
> 
>In Excalibur #3, Rachel takes Juggie down with a mental blast.
>Of course, she WAS (is?) Phoenix, and so was quite a bit higher
>up the power scale than Xavier.
> 

*BZZZZ* Juggy was not wearing the helmet in Excalibur #3.
                                                               MArc
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:25:36 -0500 
From: "James D. Zelenka" <jz1j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: 2000ad going downhill fast
Distribution: rec

Well, here in the US we're a ways behind the UK in seeing 2000 AD stuff.
We only got three issues of the Megazine, and then they stopped
bothering. I think they're planning to reprint some of the stories
separately, but so far they're doing a pathetic job.

Finn is the only new thing lately that's really caught my attention.
That goofy virtual reality story just made me sigh. Also, the Judge
Dredd folks seem to be running out of ideas; the most recent story we
saw here was the Dredd/Alpha teamup that seemed to me like a Necropolis
clone.

I liked the new Zenith story, but then again I like Morrison's writing.

I wish they could get back to stories like Nemesis or Halo Jones; those
stories, while set in a more SF future, were essentially timeless
plotlines. It looks now like they're trying to capitalize on some
current trends (the cyberpunk-ish stories, etc) rather than come up with
clever ideas.

-jim
jz1j@andrew.cmu.edu
From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MISC:  Missed Deadlines
Date: 25 Jan 1993 04:07:14 GMT
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	_Miracleman_ is nothing. The next-issue blurb of _Tales of the
Beanworld_ #19 says, "Don't look for [#20] before Halloween".

	Halloween *1991*.

	In some ways this is worse than _Mage II_: _Beanworld_ is, at
least nominally, an ongoing series, while _Mage_ is complete in itself.

-- 
   David Goldfarb          | 
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  |      "Hey, mister! Your ninja's dragging!" 
goldfarb@UCBOCF.BITNET     | 
goldfarb@soda.berkeley.edu |
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (MikE '93)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: TOMORROW PEOPLE?! (was Re: The end of Earth...)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 05:12:00 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <74020@cup.portal.com> DrAllosaurus@cup.portal.com (Samuel DrAllosaurs Crider) writes:
>Re: Tomorrow People
>Wow, I know about something the great Master of Science doesn't?
>Did the other T-People fans out there encounter the show back on the
>OLD Nickolodeon, like I did? Back when it was on like 6-7 times
>a week? Almost as often as You Can't Do That on Television?
I remember the show being on Nick!

>Those were the days.....
Yeah.

>p.s. doubtless Conty you have better sources of info than I, but I'd glad
>tell you about the show via e-mail. 

Me2!  Me2!

-- 
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From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Monty Python's Life of MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: who's Funnier
Date: 23 Jan 1993 14:31:58 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <ofM6Vvm00VB8016W5A@andrew.cmu.edu> Eric Thomas Pronko <punisher+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>i kinda lean towards what the?!, but i agree that the tick is quite
>awesome for its humor if not for its other qualities...
Yup.  In fact, I'm going to try to hit a c-shop today to see if I can get #12.

>**notice** both the tick and groo have as their main char someone who
>is too ignorant for their own good (as far as i remember)...
But that's what makes them FUN!  (I only read the Tick, but Groo goes in that
same category.)

>my thoughts.
--MikE....and now they're mine.


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From: atc@deveel.aero.org (A.T. Campbell)
Subject: Southern CA comics shop recommendations?
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:35:45 GMT


I'm looking for a good comics shop in the LA area. I'm new to 
the state (just moved to Redondo Beach) and don't know where to turn.
Could any of you kind folks on USENET please direct me to someplace
with a good selection of current comics, friendly and knowledgeable staff, 
subscription service, subscription discounts, special orders,
and a reasonable selection of back issues? If you can recommend
someplace in or near the South Bay area, that would be even better.

Thanks for the help.

--A. T.--
-- 

A. T. Campbell, III 
atc@deveel.aero.org
The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
From: birmingh@fnalo.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Death: The High Cost of Living
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:21:15 -0600
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In article <wsokXB12w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca>, panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:

> It's the people who make Lobo their role model that I wonder about.

         HEY! Fraggin' bastiches, I'm gonna have ta geek alla ya for
    insultin' the main man!

--   
 Phillip J. Birmingham   birmingh@fnal.fnal.gov  
 I don't speak for Fermilab, although my mouth is probably big enough...
 Actually, Max is my role model.
From: maguire@zappa.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: British Authors
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: 22 Jan 1993 00:13:39 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Jan21.105051.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>,
mwhatt01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu wrote:
> 
> For a while the only two comics I was getting were Sandman and Excalibur.
> Since the two books were so different I was wondering what they had in
> common to make me buy them.  The only thing they had in common was 
> the both had British authors (Gaiman, Davis).  Later I dropped Excalibur
> and started getting Archer and Armstrong.  Even later I found out that 
> Barry Windsor Smith is British.  Since they are very different from 
> each other, I was wondering what they had in common to make me get them.
> Are British authors naturally superior? 

The ones that maje it over here are - if they weren't better than the 
American authors who can meet with their editors for lunch in Manhattan, 
it wouldn't be worth the hassle of importing them/their work.  

I actually believe Marvel UK continues to bear this out - bad as it is, 
the (presumably) local talent they have doing the one-shots in MCP and
the seasonal books are even worse (especially art-wise).  Although Marvel 
UK has once and for all put the last nail in the coffin that British
writers automatically mean comics with a bookish/literary feel.

Remember when Knights of Pendragon didn't have its cast in spandex?  

Is this a two-way exchange?  Are good writers on American independents
being siphoned off by European publishers, or does DC just steal every
new writer who begins to show talent in 2000AD ?

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maguire@zappa.jpl.nasa.gov          I'm a rocket scientist, not an artist
From: danw@sierra.com (Dan Williams - Contractor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: BOOOOOM! (Re: LSH: Deaths and continu
Date: 19 Jan 93 22:29:07 GMT
Organization: Sierra Geophysics Inc.,  Kirkland, Wa

Alan Williams says
>_LSH_ #38 was SAPPY!  The whole bit about heretofore unheard-of proton
>jelly becoming an iunstable molecular compound deserved a little
>foreshadowing, don'tcha think?  In that overblown hash called the Terra
>Mosaic, I can't think of a single hint they dropped about it.
>
But they did forshadow it.  One mention was made by the subs of old proton
jelly in the tunnels beneath the chamber.  Same issue we saw the
L.E.G.I.O.N. symbol on the chambers.  I think it is right before they open
Sade's pod.  

Don't have my issues handy but Paraphrasing 
	"Gee Staq the tunnels below here look really old and they are filled
with proton jelly.  No way out there." 


-- 

Have You hugged your dragon today?
---------------------------/\/\__/\/\-----------------------------------------
Daniel J. Williams         \/0~__~0\/   These opinionated statements are mine!
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From: carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: Sisters of Sandman
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:00:11 GMT

In <C1Ft09.IwD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> aph31361@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Aaron Hawkins) writes:

>>I realize the last thing this group needs is another Sandman thread,
>>but has anyone else noticed how every Black woman who appears in the
>>book ends up kind'a dead?  I'll be the first to admit they're all 
>>good characters, but still:
[much deleted]

  How about Lyta Hall's friend Carla?  She is not dead.

-- 
Carl Fink          carlf@panix.com, C.FINK4(GEnie), or CF427620I@LIUVAX.BITNET
  "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our
  inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter
  the state of facts and evidence"     --      John Adams
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Gary Glenner)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:08:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.002233.14167@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> apn207s@momth1.maths.monash.edu.au (Mr A Dempster) writes:
>|> >>In article <1993Jan24.052940.29838@midway.uchicago.edu> lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>|> >>)And, what do we make of calling attention to the fact that Morpheus is
>|> >>)not Apollo?  'Course I'm probably reading too much into that, could be
>|> >>)a throwaway I suppose.

>Paraphrasing from 'August'...
>
>Dream:Poets and dreamers are my people, so it
>is not unusual for us to be confused. I am not some little sun-god with a
>lyre. I am myself.
>(In response to Augustus' question 'Are you Apollo?', prompted by the name
>of dream's current raven)
>
>So. Apollo and Dream are different people, but with similar characteristics.
>This causes confusion. Dream's raven is thought by the general populace to
>belong to *Apollo*, and Orpheus is thought to be *Apollo's* son. In Gaiman's 
>mythology, the Greek gods are a construct of the 'collective unconsciousness'
>(or something) of a particular population, and are known to the general public.
>The Endless are less well known, as shown way back in the Nada storyline (I 
>think the King of Birds mentioned that there were 'shadowy entities above the
>gods' or something). The vast bulk of people don't know anything about the
>Endless, so if they encounter one of them they would automatically assume they
>were their cultural equivalent (In this case Dream is confused with Apollo, 
>because no one knows of Dream).

Ah, very good. Excellent explication of Apollo/Morpheus confusion.
(But do you mean 'Collective Consciousness'?)
I'd forgotten about the August passage, thanks.  That's a graceful
enough way of doing it that I'm not really sure whether things were
pre-planned, figured out later, or some mixture twixt the two.
When did Matthew show up, issue-wise?

Anyway, the boy's question now reads like a joke I missed.  But I knew
something was missing :)   

> But then why don't they assume he's Morpheus?
> Hmmm....

I wouldn't imagine the average Greek then or now had heard of the
Greek Morpheus, he's pretty obscure, IMO.  But that impression could
be totally due to accidence of preservation, I suppose.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"But why would you not want Apollo as your lover"
"Well, for one thing, I kept getting sunburned in the most embarassing 
   places!"
     --- Plato and Cassandra
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
......................................................................
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Rec.arts.comics.mature
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:05:18 GMT

mgq@inel.gov (Michael G McKellar):
>Is there really a problem creating a r.a.c.mature?  I mean most of the
>mature titles have "For Mature Readers" printed on the covers. 

There are several problems, one of which is the ambiguous nature of
the word 'mature'.  It's used on the one hand to refer to the less
cliched and more thought-provoking titles -- and on the other hand
to refer to the *more* cliched sex-and/or-violence titles.

Rac.vertigo has the dual advantage of being less ambiguous, and of
dealing with an imprint that tries to focus on the former type of
mature titles.

That said, I would certainly vote against rac.vertigo if it came
to a vote too soon.  Give it a bit of time.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   'T is with our judgements as our watches, none
   Go alike, yet each believes his own
		--Alexander Pope
From: khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Squadron Supreme and Shi'ar Imperial Guard
Date: 23 Jan 1993 19:46:52 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: camilla-50

In article <1993Jan23.053250.14128@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:
>,, let's look at the other DC team at Marvel: The Shi'ar 
>Imperial Guard.
>     Gladiator = Superboy and/or Mon-El

Most writers seem to use Gladiator as Superman. Even their costumes are quite
similar  (yes, the logos are different, and Gladiator has that funky hairdo).
Claremont referred to him once as a man of steel, Simonson had him say once
"This is a job for Gladiator", and Byrne of course used him in that dual cover
from FF # 249 and the legion crossover in an early Byrne Superman story.

Incidentally, Dave Cockrum was originally the artist on the legion. Then he
went on to do X-men, and probably had a large hand in creating the Imperial G-
uard. In one of the lettercols from that time, someone asked about the simila-
rity between Guard and Legion and the reply was something like "The Starjamm-
ers are not intended to be  doppelgangers of the Fatal Five", which is corre-
ct, but only evades the real question. 

Abhijit
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (MikE '93)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Is it just me . . .
Date: 21 Jan 1993 05:00:00 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <1993Jan20.183550.15452@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>>>  . . . or does this month's ad promoting LEGIONNAIRES make anyone else
>>>  think, "Hey!  Isn't that the land and sea teams from Voltron?"
>>Now that you've mentioned it...
>>Legionnaires!  LET'S FORM VOLTRON!
>>...or something like that. :)
>Does this mean we have to read Legionnaires shouting at the comic
>book, "Form the sword FIRST, Legionnaires!"?

It might help.  :)
--MikE....just make sure you're not holding the wrong end.


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