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From: zzkaru@athena.mit.edu (Zoher Z Karu)
Subject: A new newsgroup
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:01:43 GMT


Hi folks,

     Wouldn't it be nice to have a new newsgroup called something like
rec.travel.air.announce?  The purpose would be for users to place critical
announcements relating to air travel that would be of use to all, rather than
having to wade through the several hundred messages that seem to appear every
week on this group.  Some examples:

** Fare war started today for flights to Europe

** American Airlines announced double FF miles to/from Boston

** New flight service from xxx to xxx offered at 30% discount until xxxx

etc, etc...

This way, people could find the money-saving information they need, FAST!
Opinions?  Also, someone take the initiative and start it if there is interest,
because I have no idea how to do so.

				- Zoher Z. Karu, poor grad student
				  Massachusetts Institute of Technology
				  zzkaru@athena.mit.edu
From: john@newave.newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Northwest Airlines
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:14:35 GMT
Organization: Newave Communications, Ltd, Lake Wobegon, MN

In article <92348.231806IO11076@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO11076@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Naushad Hussain) writes:
> I do a lot of International travel on Northwest.  I recently heard that
> they might be filing brankruptcy.  I called up the airline but they denied
> that they are filling bankruptcy.

Even if NW was going bankrupt, they wouldn't admit it until the paperwork
was filed--giving advance notice would make it impossible for them to
purchase anything, and it would scare fare paying passengers away.

Even if NW filed for bankruptcy, they would probably file for reorganization.
Since they aren't doing too badly as a business, there is no reason for them
to file for liquidation.  NW would more than likely honor frequent flyer
miles after filing for reorganization because they would not want to get
their most loyal customers mad at them.

At the moment, NW has secured nearly a billion dollars in additional
financing and employee/vendor concessions.  They are continuing with building
projects and purchases of new airplanes.  Provided the economy does not
take a nose dive, NW will survive the slow winter travel season intact and
still be in a financial position to capitalize on what is expected to be
a very busy and profitable summer travel season (lots of pent up demand).

-john-

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==============================================================================
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Newave Communications, Ltd.			    ..!uunet!tcnet!newave!john
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: yazdani@loki.stanford.edu (Ali Yazdani-Kachoee)
Subject: one-way airline ticket to SD $33
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: ba
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 00:31:03 GMT


One-way Ticket from SF to San Diego available Monday Dec 14 7:55pm

$33

Call Adele 497-4882 (leave msg)
or write eva@cogsci.berkeley.edu
(do not respond to this account)
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Sunday, 13 Dec 1992 23:18:06 EST
From: Naushad Hussain <IO11076@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Northwest Airlines

I do a lot of International travel on Northwest.  I find them to be a very
good Airline.  They do almost everything right and I have never been late for
reasons other than Airport congestions.  I have quite a few WorldPerks
coupons and is saving for more so that I can get a free ticket to Bangkok.
I recently heard that they might be filing brankruptcy.  Can anyone verify
if there is any truth behind this.  I would hate to see them go under.  I
find them to be the best U.S. airline.  I called up the airline but they
denied that they are filling bankruptcy.  Any information will be greatly
appreciated.
          Thanx in advance.
-Naushad Hussain
(207)866-7867
University of Maine
Orono, Me. 04469
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: chang@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Bernard Chang)
Subject: Re: Newark, NJ 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:15:44 GMT

reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) writes:

>United cancelled all of its flights to  the NYC/NJ area  on Friday.  I
>managed  to get there  on the first flight  after the mess on Saturday
>morning.  This morning things were back to normal.  No  damage  to the
>airrport.
>			reb

I was supposed to be on the 6 am flight (UA 60) from ORD to LGA.
After I got to the gate (B5) at 5:15, the agents there made
an announcement at 5:30 that the 6 and 7 o'clock flights into
LGA were cancelled. They booked people who wanted to go to
Newark on the 6:30 flight (I think UA 161), the flight pulled
out at 7 and was held on the runway until 8, got in Newark
at 11. The flight was not too bad though I got motion sickness
on the approach. I was thinking to myself, what would it felt
like if instead of a DC-10, we were on a 727 or something.

It was also "funny" to see emergency trucks and police cars
lined up right next to runway when we landed. It turned out
that a smaller plane was tipped over by the wind.

Now, to get to Manhattan... Boy, a day to remember for sure.


						Bernard Chang.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: jis@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (jishnu.mukerji)
Subject: Re: UAL #918 from IAD to LHR Question
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:39:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.175416.9629@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> barrk@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Keith Barr) writes:
>     I am traveling on UAL fl. 918 from IAD to LHR in February, and I was
>wondering what type of equipment is used on that flight.  OAG says 747,
>and UAL says the same.  Has anyone been on that flight, and noticed if it
>was a -200, or a -400?  The same question applies to flight 919 from LHR
>to IAD.  I assume that since no specific type is mentionoed for either it
>means that I could have a 747-200 or -400...is this a correct assumption?

In my experience when the equipment for a UAL flight is listed as 747
in the OAG it means 747-200. UAL flights that use 747-400 are listed
as using 744 in OAG. 747SP's are listed as 74L.

BTW, UAL also does considerable amount of last minute change of
equipment on trans-Atlantic flights. I have had an SP substituted for
a 747-200 and vice-versa on LHR - EWR flights. In general UAL tends to
fly their 747-400 in the Pacific sector.

Jishnu Mukerji
jis@usl.com
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 14 Dec 1992 16:36:24 EST
From: Naushad Hussain <IO11076@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: UAL #918 from IAD to LHR Question
 <CKD.92Dec14155551@loiosh.eff.org>

As far as I know that UAL flies a -200 on this route.  I remember  a
piece of news in Good Morning America a while back where the the
United -200 that blew a window after taking off from Honolulu was being
used in this route.  I also talked to a United agent last spring and she told
 me that most of their European routes are served by 767's

-Naushad Hussain
From: chorley@vms.ocom.okstate.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Credit card Freq. Flier
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:15:50 GMT
Organization: OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine

There probably should be a FAQ about this but.....
Is there a list of Credit cards which offer frequent flier mileage bonuses?
(I'm thinking about paying my med sch. fees with one and then using my
financial aid to pay my bill....wonder if that can be done?)<Grin>

David Chorley
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: vera@fanaraaken.Stanford.EDU (James S. Vera)
Subject: What is Elite status on Continental "worth"?
Organization: Program Analysis and Verification Group, Stanford University
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:33:10 GMT


I am about 1500 miles away from Bronze Elite status on Continental
(with the scars to prove it).  My question: Is it worth it for me to
go "out of my way" to get those miles before the end of the year?  My
little Continental book talks about "substantial mileage bonus" and
some other things which come along with Elite status.  Can someone
give me some more details?

James S. Vera       |         Internet         | Voice: +1.415.723.1089 
Stanford University |  vera@anna.stanford.edu  | FAX:   +1.415.725.7398

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer)
Subject: Re: Flights to Iceland from UK
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:37:40 GMT

brianm@cara.ma.hw.ac.uk (Brian Moretta) writes:

>Can anyone give me info on the above. A friend told me that at some
>point over the summer there are really cheap deals (something to do
>with full planes to the UK returning empty) at about half the normal
>price. He can't remember any details and any travel agents that I 
>have asked know nothing. Does anyone out there have more details ??
>Even just the airline would be helpful.

>Thanks in anticipation.

Checkout Icelandair
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: Newark, NJ 
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:01:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.201835.24098@athena.mit.edu> cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo) writes:
>
>Hi,
>with all the trouble we have had on the eastern
>seaboard this weekend, I was wondering if anyone
>had an idea if EWR had any troubles.  I saw
>on the TV that NJ was one of the hardest hit places.

United cancelled all of its flights to  the NYC/NJ area  on Friday.  I
managed  to get there  on the first flight  after the mess on Saturday
morning.  This morning things were back to normal.  No  damage  to the
airrport.
			reb
Xref: sparky rec.travel.air:6167 misc.forsale:33400 rec.travel.marketplace:260
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:02:08 EST
From: Jayshree Desai <JKD102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,misc.forsale,rec.travel.marketplace
Subject: Roundtrip tkt forsale -State College/Pitt-San Fransisco

  Roundtrip ticket for SALE:

  State College/Pittsburg - San Fransisco - State College/Pittsburg

  Departure : 17th December
              from  State College/Pittsburg to San Fransisco

  Return    : Flexible date - 1st/2nd week of January
              from San Fransisco to State College/Pittsburg

  Asking    : $260

  Please Contact Geeta
  Phone number:  (814) 867-8154  or (814) 867-0146
  Email addr. :  jkd102@psuvm.psu.edu
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 00:30:11 EST
From: Naushad Hussain <IO11076@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Hard-drives and disks in X-ray

I will be travelling to Asia over the weekend and I plan to carry a
laptop computer with me.  I was just wondering if the hard drive or
any disks are affected by the X-ray machines.  Any information will
be greatly appreciated.
   Thanx in advance,
  Naushad Hussain
From: konstan@saturn.cs.umn.edu (Joe Konstan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Newark, NJ
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:05:57 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Minnesota

My wife and I were scheduled to fly from MSP (Minneapolis/Saint Paul) to 
LGA on Friday, the 11th at 6pm, but found out that the airport was closed, and
all flights to LGA cancelled.  Northwest switched us onto a 6:10 flight to 
Newark (DC-10, not nearly full) which took off with warnings that halfway 
through the captain would have service discontinued and have everyone
(including flight attendants) buckle up due to turbulence.  

The flight was very bumpy, but came in fine.  The flight was even on-time, but
a carousel problem delayed luggage 30 mins.  (No real problems driving to 
Queens via Lincoln and Midtown Tunnels either.)  By Sunday afternoon, we 
were on our way back, out of LGA, without any troubles or delays.  The
outbound flight also was on-time and the only obvious remaining problem was
due to closed runways.

Joe Konstan
konstan@cs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: jdavis@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Jim Davis)
Subject: tickets wanted
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:30:00 GMT

I need 2 RT tickets from San Francisco area to Mazatlan toward the end of    
February.  Price is very important.
From: hauch@cheme.washington.edu (Kip D. Hauch)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Fee for pets in the cabin, Airline responds
Date: 14 Dec 92 08:56:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: 128.hauch-141292005452
Followup-To: rec.travel.air
Organization: Univ. of Washington Dept. of Chemical Engineering

Last month I posted regarding the charges involved for 
transporting pets in the airline cabin.  Thank you for the several
replies that I have received.

In summary: 
  Many airlines will allow you to transport pets
along with your flight for a fee, nominally $50/each way.
Larger pets go in a special pressurized cargo bay, and require
special handling, hence the fee.  Some airlines will allow
small pets to be transported in the cabin as carry-on.  In this 
case no real SERVICE is provided; the kennel is just a 
carry-on piece you stow at your seat.  
HOWEVER, the $50/each way fee is still charged, why?

I challenged the airline to explain and justify this fee.  I posted
the letter here for those interested, and promised the airline
I would post their response as well when I received it.  Anyone
interested in seeing the original letter again, or wanting
further information on this topic please e-mail.

Here it is as promised:
QQQQQQQQQQ
Dear QQ-.

Thank you for your letter of November 19.  I sincerely regret that
you continue to be displeased with the fact that we charge a 
service fee for the transport of animals in our cabin.

Our goal at X Airlines is to be the carrier of distinct preference,
and customer feedback like yours is critical to our success.  While
we do not have any short-range plans to discontinue this fee, I
have shared your comments with our Director of Passenger Services
for consideration in future planning.

We truly appreciate the support you have shown X Airlines in the past.
I hope that we will have the continued privilege of serving you travel 
needs in the months and years ahead.

Sincerely,

JLD,
Supervisor, Customer Relations

QQQQQQQQQQQQQ
Of course  <sharing your comments with our Dir. of Pass. Services >
is a euphamism for: go away and stop bothering us.  It is nearly
word for word the reply I received from them two years ago
when I first brought this issue to them, and nothing has changed since.

Watch this space after the New Year for how you can help....
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: staggers@cup.hp.com (Ken Staggers)
Subject: Re: UAL #918 from IAD to LHR Question
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:27:35 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.1]

Keith Barr (barrk@rintintin.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
: Hey there everyone,
:      I am traveling on UAL fl. 918 from IAD to LHR in February, and I was
: wondering what type of equipment is used on that flight.  OAG says 747,
: and UAL says the same.  Has anyone been on that flight, and noticed if it
: was a -200, or a -400?  The same question applies to flight 919 from LHR
: to IAD.  I assume that since no specific type is mentionoed for either it
: means that I could have a 747-200 or -400...is this a correct assumption?

When I was planning my trip to Asia, I absolutely had to travel on a 747-400.
None of Northwest's printed schedules indicated that a 744 was being used
from JFK-NRT.  But when I called them up, their computer insisted that it
was a 744.  Even the last schedule book didnt have it as a 744.  But
2 weeks before I went, I called up NW and asked.  They said it was still a
747-400 and that unless it breaks down, it will still be a 747-400 when I
was scheduled to leave.  In the end, it was a 747-400.

So it is best to call UA and ask.  You should know for sure by mid to late
January what equipment is scheduled to be used.

--Ken

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: sdl@linus.mitre.org (Steven D. Litvintchouk)
Subject: Re: USAir - always late?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:56:16 GMT


In article <92343.095844IVERS@auvm.american.edu> <IVERS@auvm.american.edu> writes:

> Path: linus.mitre.org!linus!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!gatech!paladin.american.edu!auvm!ivers
> Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 09:58:44 EST
> From: <IVERS@auvm.american.edu>
> Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
> Lines: 11
> 
> I would like to know if other travelers have as much trouble as I do getting an
> on-time departure and/or arrival on USAir.
> 
> In the last 21 segments I have flown on USAir, I have had only three either
> depart or arrive on time.  This includes a DCA-LGA roundtrip on the shuttle.
> Delays have ranged from 20 minutes to 1:45 minutes.  I am usually a good 1/2
> hour late when I arrive.
> 
> Am I just plagued by bad luck, or does anyone else out there have similar
> problems?  I just wrote USAir a formal letter of complaint, something I have
> never done before.  I am curious to see if USAir cares enough to respond.

Not only have I had many delays with USAir, but their attitude totally
turns me off.  In one situation, I was trying to fly from Boston to
Washington D.C., and the next two flights scheduled to leave Boston
were both delayed.  The USAir agent at the counter could not or would
not tell us passengers which of the two flights would depart next
(i.e. which flight we should take), and literally said to us, "You
decide."



--
Steven Litvintchouk
MITRE Corporation
202 Burlington Road
Bedford, MA  01730

Fone:  (617)271-7753
ARPA:  sdl@mitre.org
UUCP:  linus!sdl
	"Where does he get those wonderful toys?"
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: giand@opencon.com (Deepak S. Gianchandani)
Subject: Re: Which airlines for Frequent Flier Program ??
Followup-To: rec.travel.air
Organization: OpenCon Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:54:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.193901.6974@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>vemuri@informix.com (Sudhakar Vemuri) wrote: 
>->I am likely to travel a lot in continental US and I would like to choose an
>->airlines that honours my trip to India also into their FF program.
>
>TWA is partnered with Air India ...
>
 ***** Yes, but AIR India only gives you miles on TWA if you have a "Y"
 class or higher fair.  It safer to go Business or higher to sure.
 Check the fine print with Air India. 

With reference to continental US you could use United Airlines, as
they are starting a flight to India in Feb. 1993. Call up United on
their FF program to get an Idea how much miles for free trip to India.

>->I thought of Delta so that I can use Singapore Airlines miles to India to be 
>->used for FF progarm. Correct me if I am wrong.
>
>it's not clear that you can fly SQ to india on award travel.  call
>delta's frequent flyer program and ask.
>
>--
># henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
># "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
>#     for information on the league for programming freedom, 
>#                     write to lpf@uunet.uu.net


-- 
____________________   .    .   __         .       | Deepak S. Gianchandani
\___________________|) .____.--"--"---._____       | E-mail:giand@opencon.com
     .      ||       /_____/  NCC_1701  __/ .  . . |   To Boldly Go Where 
.       .   ||      /--/--._________.----/   .     | No One Has Gone BEFORE
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,connect.audit
From: alon@ibmpcug.co.uk (Alon Risdon)
Subject: Re: Fares when death in family
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this article are those of the author
	alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group.
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:03:17 GMT

Last October by brother became very ill and I was told to come to the 
hospital in Portland Organ as fast as i could. I telephoned American 
Airlines in London, England at 8am on a Friday. They asked where my
brother was ect. In 10 minutes they called me back and told me that
they were still checking thing out but could I get to London Airport
by 11:30am When I got to the airport they sold me a round trip
business cabin fare for only 239.00 UK pounds which at thar time was
about 478.oo U.S. dollars. The book price for a trip from London,
England to Portland return is 829.00 u.k. pounds i.e. 1,658.00 U.S.
dollars.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: yfchyan@athena.mit.edu (Yih-Feng Chyan)
Subject: I need a ticket to Taipei, Taiwan
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:02:51 GMT

Hi, 

I need a ticket to Taipei, Taiwan at the end of Dec. or the beginning of Jan..
I prefer to have a returned ticket which allows me to have a stop-over in the
back journey.  Is there anyone who likes to transfer a redundant ticket to me
(female) ? Or can someone point me to some direction to find one?

Thanx in advance!

M. -J.
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Which airlines for Frequent Flier Program ??
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:20:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

giand@opencon.com (Deepak S. Gianchandani) wrote: 
-> ***** Yes, but AIR India only gives you miles on TWA if you have a "Y"
-> class or higher fair.  It safer to go Business or higher to sure.
-> Check the fine print with Air India. 

a Y fare is a full (or near-full) coach fare.  many airlines do this
for their partner airlines.

->With reference to continental US you could use United Airlines, as
->they are starting a flight to India in Feb. 1993. Call up United on
->their FF program to get an Idea how much miles for free trip to India.

WorldPerks, in cahoots with KLM Royal Dutch Airways, now offers award
travel all over the place (basically, many KLM destinations are now
available).

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
#     for information on the league for programming freedom, 
#                     write to lpf@uunet.uu.net
From: musick@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Ron Musick)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: WANTED : NorthWest Upgrades
Date: 14 Dec 92 05:38:42 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu

In article <1644500013@igc.apc.org> Thomas Levitan <tlevitan@igc.apc.org> writes:
>
>I, too have only gotten domestic upgrade coupons as a preferred
>member.  In fact, a pair were in the mileage statement today.  But
>only for Y and -26 tickets domestic.  I'd ask if gold members get
>them, but they get upgraded just by showing the card.
>

That's too bad.  Last year, when I was a preferred member, the upgrades
were good for ANY ticket, including flywrite tickets.

Emy