From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: when china wakes
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: soc
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 02:05:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.4298.41395@dosgate> "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com> writes:
>In Article: <C05DtJ.510@ulowell.ulowell.edu>
>   Subject: "When China Wakes" by 'The Economist'
>      From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
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>>Whose "catastropy"? Old colonists? yes.
>
>>Chinese people were awakened by Mao. Chinese peopel are no longer
>>sumissive since then. After CR, Chinese are more intolerent toward
>>Government. Including you guys rebellios stands against CG, has trace
>>of CR effect. It is not black-white issue, dear.
>
>Please read the following, which was collected from CCP's own
>statistics:
>
>During 1959-1961, the wide spread starvation in Chinese rural villages
>were caused by "Zong1 lu4 xian4" (collective policy?),"Da4 yue2 jin4"
>(great leap forward), "Ren2 min2 gong1 she4" (people's commune); the
>so called "San1 mian4 hong2 qi2" (three red flags).
>
>In the seventies, CCP's propaganda apparatus acknowledged that the death
>caused by starvation in that three years were 12-15 million. There was a
Look at demographic statistics, ther were roughly 20-million population
shortage, comparing normal years. U.S. state department caculated
20-million death of starvation. But one important factor it was missed,
the BIRTH RATE, which should certainly dropped. For eaxmple, X-Soviet
had 30% anual birth rate drop during Goby's "roform" years.
The hard ship were more severe during 1959-1961 for China. For example,
50% birth rate drop, and 20 million anual new born(after birth control,
recent figure. at then the number could be higher because most families
had more than 5 children during normal years). that will count for 15 million
population shortage. You guys are from HongKong, a British colony,
. British is consitently trying to exagerate any destructin done to Chinese,
in the hope to equate British's Opium dealing, achiveing final 
escaping of moral responsibilities.
I found those who trashed Chinese hardest, are not those who supposedly
suffered under  CCP, not those Chinese who are in U.S., SouthEast Asia,
rather then those who has origination of HongKong. I do not mean all people 
from HongKong  posses this tendence. Next group would be people from Taiwan.
You guys are stupified by Brits, lack of basic understanding of politics which
was common practice in other colonial areas. I do not mean the belittle you
guys. Stop present me those senseless data. "50-60" million,
you are talking about almost 10% of population. My fammily was from an area,
which had worst case in China, not reach that percentage.
When you cite those figure, please check that what is the purpose for the 
originator to collect them, to make a point or to study an object?
People can twist statistics to lie, did Brits textbook tell you about it? 
>census year book published inside China during 1984, recorded the death
>caused by 3 years famine were 27 million. Internationally acclaimed
>Chinese writer Gu3 Hua1 learned, that in 1980, CCP's party secretaries
>from 29 provinces and cities had a study session, the estimate by these
>senior party officials of the CCP put the death figure to 50-60 million,
>although this last figure was not official published, we can have a pretty
>good picture on CCP's record of mismanagement, and CCP's contempt to human
>life!
>
>The number of Chinese people died of starvation caused by Mao's
>wrong policies, far exceeds the thousands, it was in many millions.
>
>The CCP had for many years, deceived the Chinese people and the world,
>blame the hardship during that period, first to the "extraordinary
>natural disaster" (Does that sounds familiar?), than it blamed to
>Russia's demand for debt payment.
So what? People knew what was going at the time. It is not your discovery.
Please stopping trying to run China with romote controller.
>
>While at the same time, the CCP maintained the self congratulation
>on it's "Greatness, Glory, and the absolute correctness"!
>
>From 1949 to 1976, in less than 30 years, the CCP has caused the death of
>more than 50 million Chinese (conservative estimate), with CCP's class
>struggle ideology, it has caused the suffering and anguish of over 200
>million people for that period.(Conservative estimate by CCP for the period
>of cultural revolution only, the real figure could be much higher)
>
>Can you tell me, should Chinese people thank Mao for all these?
>
>Do you want to blame all these to the old colonists?
No. Nobody tried it. You people are lacking BASIC ABILITY TO REASON!
Keep the machine in your bedroom, or living room running  to make exports,
You people can do nothing else. Brits really did a good job in stupifying
you.
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