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From: nadegda@mplik.e-burg.su ()
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 17:13:42 +0300
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Organization: URAL RELCOM LIMITED
Reply-To: nadegda@mplik.e-burg.su


		The Ekaterinburg Municipal Choir of Boys and Youths
	  at the Urals Conservatoir appeals to managers and business
	  people both in this country and adroad to whom the ideas of
	  philanthropy and patronage of art are not alien .
	    The Choir is renewing and developing the Russian singing
	  traditions and its repertoir includes works of both home and
	  foreign classical and modern musical culture .
	    The Choir has won a high appraisal of its skill among the
	  professional musicians inspite of the fact that side by side
	  with the youths singing in the Choir there are quite young
	  boys aged only 8 or 9 . In the past year alone the Choir be-
	  came laureate of four significant music festivals.
	    Of late the Choir has established friendly relations with
	  the Chicago Municipal Children's Choir which is planning to
	  receive the boys from the Urals at home in Chicago and ar-
	  range joint concerts. Unfortunately,growing fares preclude
	  the opportunity to introduce the young Ekaterinburg singers
	  to the USA .
	    The Choir will appreciate any help and will be very much
	  obliged to the people realizing the necessity of strengthen-
	  ing international cultural ties as well as maintaining and
	  developing the wonderful Russian singing traditions .
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ctrcsa@iapa.uucp%mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (Chris S. Arnold)
Subject: Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT GOD
Organization: FAA / Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:08:06 GMT


	I don't know what kinda church you go to but I think you have things all wrong.
The BIBLE is our source of strength.  It helps us in our daily walk.  Nobody can begin
to understand every last word that's in the BIBLE, no matter what translation you read.  
If someone did know and understand the WHOLE BIBLE, then they would know when JESUS is
coming back.  
	Anyway, the BIBLE says "...thou shalt not have any other gods before me...".  In times 
of need you DON'T look to man for help you look to GOD.  By looking to man, you're putting your
faith in the hands of a sinner.  I strongly believe than our pastors are here to help us grow
in our relationship to CHRIST, but I don't think they are here to tell us what to do.  They might
tell us that it wouldn't be right to marry so and so, and that's stretching things.  The BIBLE 
also says "...listen to your elders...", not be submissive to your elders.  They are great 
for giving advice, but they can't tell you how to live your life.
	If you live your life the way you describe it, you're just being set up for a HUGE fall!!!!
You're giving the devil the ability to use someone to tell you to do stuff.  If I declare 
myself more holy than you and I told you to go jump off a bridge, would you???  Or if I tell
you that prostitutes and pornographers are ruining our society and they need to be killed, would
you kill them???  If you say yes than, you're not a christian and don't know
who JESUS CHRIST really is and why he died for you!!!
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: music w/out "rock" beat??
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:55:46 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

sl313028@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jazz (I've got)) writes:
> i was just wondering why some people find a "rock" beat offending? 
> is there a certain type of music that they think that God feels is
> "right"? 

to hear some people talk, yes. there are several different variations
of the "rock is evil" thing, and i've heard them all.

o "Rock is bad because the devil uses rock." this is Mike Godwin's
  (author of "Dancing With Demons") big one. he points out all the
  bad things that have been perpetrated under the aegis of rock music,
  notes that "Christian rock" has the word "rock" in it and uses the
  same beat, then tars 'em both with the same brush. finding the logical
  error in this is left as an exercise to the reader, but it seems
  effective when preaching to people who aren't comfortable with the
  music in the first place.

o "Rock is 'out of balance' and is therefore evil." that's Bill 
  Gothard's approach. unfortunately, there's nothing Biblical about 
  this at all. in fact, it's based on a pagan belief (i believe 
  originating with Aristotle) that states that different components 
  of music affect the mind, soul, and body. the 'beat' supposedly 
  affects the body, and so any music that is out of balance, and has 
  too much beat is evil. unfortunately, Bill never tells us how to 
  measure "beat","melody" or any other component, so we have to take 
  his word for what's too much or too little. that section of his big 
  red book is also lacking scripture references, so it's rather 
  difficult to find "God's" measure either.

o "Rock is to much like 'the World'." a general approach used by any
  pastor who is made uncomfortable by those long haired people. often
  found in combination with the first objection. unfortunately, they're
  never able to draw any sort of line about where we should stop being
  like the big bad "World". oh well. actually, i shouldn't be so harsh.
  some do. the amish aren't allowed cars, for example. except those that
  are. oh my head hurts. but you see where this can lead...

jason

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From: Scott.E.Lawrence@dartmouth.edu (Scott E. Lawrence)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Long Haired Man
Date: 31 Dec 92 20:32:24 GMT
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Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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Here's a little more to add to the subject...
    Read 1Corinthians 11:1-16, verses 7,14 and 16 in particular. Verse
16 is very clear and direct.  I thought about analyzing the passage in
this post but I can't stand the flaming that goes on.  Please read this
passage.  It's key to the issue of long hair, short hair, respect,
custom, authority, etc.

    I have short hair but I've encountered this issue with my friends. 
When I was in High School the guys with long hair tended to be more
rebellious but I don't think I see the connection anymore.  Long hair
is quite a fashion these days.  I will not go into Church with my head
covered and will not grow long hair for this reason but that's personal
concerning the passage mentioned above.  To teach the passage above is
one thing but to impose it goes against verse 16.  This symbol wasn't
always this way.  Read Numbers 6.

PS If anyone has any thoughts concerning 1Corinthians 11:10 "...because
of the angels."  please e-mail me - it does not concern music so please
don't post.  I haven't figured this out yet.
From: urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: CCM CD/tape clubs?
Date: 1 Jan 93 22:07:31 GMT

>From: brooks@spaz.dab.ge.com (Stephen Brooks)
>Subject: CCM CD/tape clubs?
>Date: 29 Dec 92 16:28:31 GMT
>
>  Does Word (or anyone else for that matter) still have a CCM tape/CD club?
>  I used to be a member, but they dropped me for some reason (it's been too
>  long to remember why).  Any info/phone numbers/addresses/reply postcards/etc.
>  would be appreciated.  Thanks.
>
>P.S.  I already know about Long's, but any info on other mail order places
>      would be nice, too.

I just received a mailer:

	Family Record & Tape Club
	A Division of Word DMS Inc.
	P.O. Box 10659
	Des Moines, IA  50380-0659

It claims 4 tapes/CD's for $1 each (plus shipping & handling) and no
other purchases required.  Typical set-up -- if you don't want them
to send you something every couple of weeks, you have to send in the 
response card.  

Eilidh Swan
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From: logan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Logan Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Carmen is an artist.  Period.
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:16:54 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

In article <1h4t6lINNeb9@news.aero.org> sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien) writes:
>Oh, come on my friend, we all know it sucks, so lets not kid ourselves. 

This is something that annoys me - alot of people avoid Christian music
because they know [ alot of ] it sucks, and they assume that the rest of
it does, and they miss the opportunity to hear lots of good stuff.

To make matters worse, many Christian radio stations have the habit of
playing the worst stuff most of the time, and then they don't attract
people, they drive them away.  I guess that's what radio does in general,
though.

>  I heard
>a full-on DISCO song one the Christian radio station this weekend. "Hey!",
>I said to myself, "Christian music is catching up! We've just hit the 70'S!
>Yay for us!" sheesh.

Hey!  Disco can be good stuff, though there are many examples of the power
of disco used for evil.  (i.e. Disco Disco Duck, anything by the Village
People).  I'd consider alot of stuff by the Eagles at least on the fringe
of disco (examples: "Life in the Fast Lane", "I Can't Tell You Why", "One
of These Nights") and I happen to like them alot.  <sniff> <sniff>

Actually, I've heard (from time to time) some disco on the Christian radio
station in Austin, and it's pretty clear that it came straight from the
70's.

Adios,
  Logan
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From: sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT GOD
Date: 30 Dec 1992 17:09:10 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: antares.aero.org

In article <carlson.725725523@cwis> carlson@cwis.unomaha.edu (Brian D. Carlson) writes:
>ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>>In article <carlson.725146095@cwis> carlson@cwis.unomaha.edu (Brian D. Carlson) writes:
>>>myers_c@ab.wvnet.edu writes:
>>>
>>>[lots of drivel deleted]
>[lots of well thought out convincing proof following the drivel deleted]
>
>>I don't think anyone could dispute the fact that the QMV and ONEWAY
>>versions are God's annointed Word.  All other versions are perversions
>>of the truth.  And I'm willing to fight about it and pray for your
>>lost soul if you tell me I'm wrong.  Okay?  I hope I haven't offended
>>thee.  Or thou, for that matter.  
>
>	Boy, I ought to give you a sock right in the mush, and I would,
>but the dryer ate my sock, and I don't touch mush. Do you realize that
>God loves us all equally, and that he wouldn't do for one what he has
>done for all others! (Hessitations 3:23:b)
>
>	Therefor, since the only version for our hearing impaired
>brothers and sisters is the Amplified Version, it logically follows that
>that is the most accurate version. Sheesh! And in addition, we all have
>heard that Paul (of Tarsus, not McCartney) had poor vision, hence the
>large letters he wrote with his hands, and so a Large letter Edition of
>the Amplified Version is the most accurate (exact, correct, perfect,
>characterized by percision, deft, reliable, trustworthy, true, meticulous,
>correct, faithful, I already said correct) version for me and my house.
>
>Brian D. Carlson
>" the D stands for knowleDgable "
>
>>>Brian Carlson
>>>carlson@unomaha.edu
>
>>Andy Whitman
>>AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
>>att!cblpn!ajw  or
>>ajw@cblpn.att.com

HA! Are you guys nuts or something? Obviously we shouldn't even be
READING a bible, since we have leaders who should disciple us in
all authority - we'd better submit too, or we have a spirit of 
rebellion! - ? I mean, c'mon, do you REALLY think YOU can understand
ANYTHING about scripture? If a person comes up to you and declares
him/her self to have authority over you and says "You'd better submit!"
then, You'd Better Submit! Forget this Bible stuff and do what that
person tells you to do, like wash their car to learn servanthood,
stuff like that. Sheesh! Also, Our Leaders can tell us who to marry,
how to worship, but most importantly, how to serve them better and
be more pleasing to them. So the main goal of Christianity, as I see
it, isn't all this Bible and prayer balderdash. It's really about
making our leaders feel good about themselves. Forget all this
translating and studying - it really gets in the way of your
submission activities! sheesh.

                   --Stacey

From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:10:47 GMT
Subject: Re: CCM CD/tape clubs?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

In rec.music.christian, Guest@comm.mgmt.purdue.edu (changhun park ) writes:

> In article <1992Dec29.162831.10520@ge-dab.GE.COM> brooks@spaz.dab.ge.com (Stephen Brooks) writes:
> >From: brooks@spaz.dab.ge.com (Stephen Brooks)
> >Subject: CCM CD/tape clubs?
> >Date: 29 Dec 92 16:28:31 GMT
> >
> >  Does Word (or anyone else for that matter) still have a CCM tape/CD club?
> >I used to be a member, but they dropped me for some reason (it's been too
> >long to remember why).  Any info/phone numbers/addresses/reply postcards/etc.
> >would be appreciated.  Thanks.
> >
> >P.S.  I already know about Long's, but any info on other mail order places
> >      would be nice, too.
> >--
> ***** I ALSO WANNA KNOW ABOUT THIS!!! ***** SO, PLEASE POST THE INFO. *****

This should be a FAQ...yes the Word club still exists, but the discounts and/or
bonuses are now little better than the standard "one free w/ four" coupons in 
any retail store...and the bonus albums *must* be chosen from their overstock 
inventory (masquerading as "bonus catalogs"). And unless you prepay, you pay 
the "gouge"...I mean "shipping and *handling*" fees.

They probably dropped you because you were on the OLD agreement, which offered
ANY FIVE FREE WITH SIX, no strings attached. I was holding $50 worth of coupons
when they ditched me..."I'm sorry, sir, we have no such account number..."

I'd just support my local retailer...or even better, wait until a concert to
buy your album and let the *artist* have the retailer's cut...

Bob (I *hate* those mail-in cards, anyway) Miller

P.S. and they sell your name to those "jesusjunk" catalog merchants...
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Carmen ... NEW
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 23 Dec 92 01:21:42 EST
Distribution: rec.music.christian
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

dsc9hmr@bumed10.med.navy.mil (H. Mike Rice) writes:
> Folks,
> 
> I really don't believe what I am reading.  How individuals can claim
> something as spiritual truth based on taste alone.  

uh, nobody's done that. quite a bit -has- been said about artistic
truth based on taste.

> Carmen has created several progressive pieces in his time, not to 
> mention his dramatic 'hit' portraying the Lord as conquerer over 
> both sin and death.  In fact, this piece is one of the most copied 
> by dramatic groups todate.

yeah so? what does this say about spiritual truth. nada.

> Leave your taste behind, especially when you really don't hold any 
> position to determine what is acceptable or not.

sorry, but taste is what musical preference is all about...

jason

--
   "I think all right thinking people in this country are sick and tired
    of being told that ordinary decent people are fed up in this country
    with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not, and I'm sick and tired
    of being told that I am!" - Monty Python
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor)
Subject: Re: keaggy song?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:27:47 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Brian King (gt6851a@prism.gatech.EDU) wrote:
: Obligatory Xian Music Query:
: 
: From which Phil Keaggy album is the song "Just A Moment Away?" I was wondering
: because i heard that D. Pinnick and J. Gaskill from King's X played on it...

Ph'lip Side (i think - if not, it's one from that rough time frame - early
80's)
: 
: 
: -- 
: "in this day & age...music performed by humans?...Hum?! - Wilde Silas Tomkyn 
: "Walking the fine line... between Pagan and Christian...." - Steve Vai
: Brian King - Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta: gt6851a@prism.gatech.edu 
:

Bob Taylor
HP Vancouver
 
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)
Subject: Re: CONTRADICTIONS ABOUT GOD
Date: 31 Dec 92 03:47:17 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1hsl3mINNo1f@news.aero.org> sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien) writes:
>HA! Are you guys nuts or something? Obviously we shouldn't even be
>READING a bible, since we have leaders who should disciple us in
>all authority - we'd better submit too, or we have a spirit of 
>rebellion! - ? 

Maybe we should crosspost this to alt.sex.bondage...there's folks 
really into submission over there....

>ANYTHING about scripture? If a person comes up to you and declares
>him/her self to have authority over you and says "You'd better submit!"
>then, You'd Better Submit! Forget this Bible stuff and do what that
>person tells you to do, like wash their car to learn servanthood,
>stuff like that. Sheesh! Also, Our Leaders can tell us who to marry,
>how to worship, but most importantly, how to serve them better and
>be more pleasing to them. So the main goal of Christianity, as I see
>it, isn't all this Bible and prayer balderdash. It's really about
>making our leaders feel good about themselves....

what's frightening is the number of people who preach praying & 
studying...but expect & enforce Submission to Leaders [note Leader
doesn't mean God].

-jen
From: eng10459@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN CHEE LEONG)
Subject: All The Way My Saviour Leads Me
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 19:23:03 GMT


                 All The Way My Saviour Leads Me

                 All the way my Saviour leads me
                   What have I to ask beside?
                  Can I doubt His tender mercy,
                Who thru life has been my Guide?
                Heav'nly peace, divinest comfort,
                 Here by faith in Him to dwell!
                For I know, whate'er befall me, 
                  Jesus doeth all things well.

     This beloved gospel hymn was the expression of gratitude to
God after a direct answer to prayer.  It is reported that one day
Fanny Crosby desperately needed five dollars and did not know where
she could obtain this amount.  As was her custom, she began to pray
about this matter.  Within a few minutes a stranger appeared at her
door with just the right amount. "I have no way of accounting for
this," she wrote, "except to believe that God, in answer to my
prayer, put it into the heart of this good man to bring the money. 
My first thought was, it is so wonderful the way the Lord leads me. 
I immediately wrote the poem and Dr. Lowry set it to music."
     Fanny Jane Crosby was born of humble parents at Southeast, New
York, on March 24, 1823.  She was blinded at the age of six weeks
by improper medical treatment.  Throughout her lifetime she was a
faithful member of the St. John's Methodist Episcopal Church in New
York City.  She was educated at the New York School for the Blind. 
From 1847 to 1858 she served as a teacher at this school.  In 1858
she married a blind muscian, Alexander Van Alstyne, a highly
respected teacher of music at the blind instituition.  Her early
verse writing was primarily of a secular nature.  One of her
popular songs, "Rosalie, the Prairie Flower," brought her almost
three thousand dollars in ryalties, a considerable amount for that
day.  Through the influence of a well-known church musician, W.B.
Bradbury, she began, in her early forties, to write gospel song
lyrics in earnest and became the "happiest creature in all the
land."  It is said that Fanny Crosby never wrote a hymn text
without first kneeling in earnest prayer and asking for divine
guidance.  She was also characterized by the little American flag
that she always carried along with her Bible.  Throughout her
career she was associated in her writing with such leading gospel
muscians of her time as Ira D. Sankey, Wm. H. Doane, John Sweney,
Goearge Stebbins, George Root, William Kirkpatrick, and others.
From: 00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Glass Harps CDs! and Veni Domine
Date: 29 Dec 92 07:26:13 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

OK, I guess these are two pretty disparate topics, but who cares?

First, I was informed by a friend that the Glass Harp albums ARE AVAILABLE on
CD.  I want to know, is this true?  He said he read it in Heaven's Metal.  I'm
shady on the details, but as I understand it, the discs are only available for
a limited time, and only if you write to a certain not-for-profit organisation
and request them (and, of course, make a donation).  IS this true?  If so,
please, how do I contact these people?

Next is an endorsement for the "new" album by Veni Domine, "Fall Babylon,
Fall".  Simply, it's fantastic.  Why is new in quotes?  It's copyrighted 1991. 
Where have we been...?
You know how many bands (Christian metal bands, that is) are said to sound
"just like Queensryche"?  Well, these guys actually do.  Of course, it's more
what Black Sabbath (early Sabbath, I should say) would sound like with Geoff
Tate singing.  For those of you who get what I'm talking about, you need this
album.  It's wonderful.

OK, that's all...hope everyone had a good Christmas (I know I did!).

Bruce
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From: PONDER@TUCVM5.VNET.IBM.COM (John D. Ponder)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 10:48:29 MST
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: .MID files

Can anyone point me to the best places to find FTP-able .MID song files
for Christian music--contemporary, classical, hymns, gospel, etc.?

Please reply to PONDER@TUCVM5.VNET.IBM.COM.

Thanks much!!
-- John Ponder
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: eng10459@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN CHEE LEONG)
Subject: Whatever happened to David Meece?
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:28:42 GMT

He was one of my favourite gospel singer.  I still can remember: We are
the reason, I can see, the whole of album "Number 7"

Anyone knows about his latest?
(I've already got "Learning to Trust" though)

Chee Leong

From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:17:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Need words to "He touched me"
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

In rec.music.christian, 6197110@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:

> I don't know if anyone sent you the words yet or not, so here they are.
> (In the right order, I might add :) )
>
> ... 
> 
> I hope this is the one you're talking about.
> 
> Ramona

Please note the song is not public domain; written and copyrighted by
Wm. Gaither.

Bob ("hymn"???) Miller rhm@hpfirhm.fc.hp.com