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From: gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: Cowboys can kick Bills Butt
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 17:57:18 GMT

<BuyK68.DtA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) :
>ogre@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Ryan M Ogrady) writes:
>>Seeing as it is highly probable that there could be a Dallas/Buffalo
>>superbowl this year , I'd have to say that the Cowboys would romp
>>over the aforementioned inferior AFC team.  Of course, any NFC
>>superbowl team is destined to win anyway, but what the heck . . 
>>
>
>Dallas is not the best team even in the NFC East- look at Phillie!

They're a good team.  About on par with Dallas.  They are not clearly the
better team by any stretch.  We'll have to wait another week to see how
much better one of them is.

>If the NFC thinks it has the Super Bowl won "just because", they'll
>lose it due to overconfidence.  Dallas couldn't beat Detroit last year
>at the Silverdome, and they'll have trouble running with the Bills.

You are comparing Detroit to the Bills?  If you want to compare something,
compare the Bill's performance against Washington with Dallas's performance
against Washington last year and this year.  How do they match up then?

>Thurman Thomas works magic, just ask 49ers fans.  Emmitt Smith is great,
>but he's not the complete package.

They are both featured in slightly different offensive schemes.  Dallas
has the best receiver in the league in Irvin.  That results in Smith
getting fewer passes.  And Dallas has a better defense than the 9ers do.

>(Thurman Thomas and Jim Brown are the only players to lead in total yards
>for three straight years!)

Hey, Thomas is good, no doubt about it - one of the best.  Smith is just
as good.  On any given Sunday one of them might outperform the other,
depending on the competition.


Gordon
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Saints
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 16:07:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Sep29.032441.28570@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:

>To the refs' credit : the Saints' linebackers got called for offsides
>several times in the game, deservedly so (i.e., even *I* screamed
>"***O-F-F-S-I-D-E-S***" as the play started). And I think they got away

I agree that the officiating sucked big time, but I wonder if those
apparent but uncalled offsides were optical illusions on the TV viewer.
Given that the Niners' linemen couldn't hear the snapcount, and that
they can't watch the center as easily as a LB can, it's quite possible
that the Aints' LBs were simply getting jumps on the ball faster than
the Niners' line were.  To a TV viewer who can't really see the center,
this would look like offsides, as the LB is across the line of scrimmage
before you see the OL move.

Bring on the microphone and the headsets!
-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Dallas was beaten by bad luck, not the eagles!
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date:  6 OCT 92 18:54:27    

In article <6OCT199216262371@rigel.tamu.edu>, c1h3384@rigel.tamu.edu writes...

Subject: Dallas was beaten by bad luck, not the eagles!
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is a joke, right?

JGH

(And, no, I am not a Cowboys basher.  Nor am I an Eagles fan.)
From: v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Offensive Weapons
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:20:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

After watching a one sided offensive shootout between the Dolphins and bills
i trully believe that the Dolphins now possess the most dangerous arsenal in
the entire NFL. If you think otherwise please respond by listing a teams 
"offensive weapons" like so:

Miami                                        Buffalo

Marino (nuff said)                           Kelly
Humphery (2 x 1000 yd seasons)               Thurman (#1 in all-purpose yds)
Higgs (top 10 rusher)                        Reed (all pro)
Keith Jackson (Best in NFL)                  Loften (all pro)
Clayton (all pro)                            
Duper (5 time pro bowler & 1000 yd receiver)
Tony Paige (Best all-around fullback in NFL/leads dolphins in receptions)
Stoyanovich (1 of the top 3 kickers in the NFL every year)

Go Dolphins: 14-2 & AFC East Title
Go Canes:  National Champs
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   |  "Life's a Bitch and then we all        * Eric Orologio " Dr. O"    |
   |   get fucked"                           * V130pwbq @ubvms           |
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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: MNF halftime
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:17:54 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1aak1fINN6ee@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bm562@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard L. Trionfo) writes:
>(MR. Jackson's) quest for cash.  
>    As was said on WIP today, it was so convenient that there
>was a camera in Keith's house so he can say how little it 
>was the cash.  
>    These comments make him sound like a perfect choice for
>Hypocrite Ross Perot's vp candidate.

So given the opportunity to make more money at a new job where you fit in,
and get to move to a warm sunny climate, you yourself would turn down the
offer and stay with your current employer?

Jackson is not an idiot, he read the papers, he knows Braman can afford
to pay market value for him. He gave him the chance and was turned down.
Miami gave him more money, a great climate, and a team that he'll fit 
in with.

What's to think about, Keith made the right choice.

And I still think the Eagles are the best team now, with or without Keith.




Russ Smith
*******************************************************************************
WARNING: POTENTIALLY OFFENSIVE JOKE FOLLOWS.

49er kicker Mike Cofer tried unsuccessfully to commit suicide the other day.
Cofer tried to hang himself, but was unable to kick the chair out from under
his body.
********************************************************************************
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys can kick Bills Butt
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:51:28 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <2536@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.221757.24823@ncsu.edu> Perry@mte.ncsu.edu (Bill Perry) writes:
>>(Oh, and the Lions whipped the
>>Cowboys in the Playoffs, and the Redskins whipped them, so its safe to say the
>>cowgirls would have gotten squished in the NFC champiomship)
>
>HAHAHAHAHA . . . *whew* It's been a long time since I've seen anyone post
>this sort of logic.  I had forgotten how funny it was to laugh at.
>
>Hey, here's another one for you:  if you flip a coin ten times, and it
>comes up heads every time, then on the eleventh flip, it is much, MUCH
>more likely to come up tails!
>
>Daniel Welch

Hey Dan.  Don't mean to be condescending, but you're an idiot.

Hope this helps....
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Just noticed something...
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:35:15 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

woof woof woof.  If you make it to the SB it will probably be another 
choke act.  With Harmon and Norwood gone I wonder who the scape goat will
be this year.
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From: tap1040@zeus.tamu.edu (SPEED RACER)
Subject: Re: Eagles Report & Dallas vs Philly
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: Philadelphia 30 Denver 0
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 06:43:00 GMT

In article <Sep.25.23.46.59.1992.14968@remus.rutgers.edu>, zelek@remus.rutgers.edu (Grey Wolf) writes...
>tap1040@rigel.tamu.edu (SPEED RACER) writes:
> 
> 
>>Well, seeing as one man does not a team make, why not ask an even more
>>relevant question.  Who won the last time these two teams met? D A L L A S.
> 
> 
>   Right.  With the Eagles being led by 3rd and 4th string QB's and having
>absolutely no running game.  That's a really valid stat. ;)
> 
>Chris [zelek@aramis.rutgers.edu]


They managed to go 10 and 6 last year with those players so I'd say it *is*
a really valid stat.

________________________________________________________________________________

                                     Tracy      
                              Texas A&M University
				       
John Madden: "There's a good sign.  Troy Aikman putting his pants back on."
Pat Summerall: "That's ALWAYS a good sign."    (RFK Stadium, Nov. 24, 1991)
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From: tehyang@phakt.usc.edu (Teh Kao Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Raiders QBs
Date: 30 Sep 1992 00:48:02 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep30.002046.19584@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> ded@aplcen (nod sivad) writes:
>While watching the Monday night game I could have swore I heard
>a moaning confession issuing from Raider fans everywhere: "We were wrong.  
>We want Shroeder back.  Please give us Shroeder back.  We were wrong."
>
>Did you hear it too? ;-)

I think the switch to Marinovich was one the dumbest decisions I've ever
seen. It was clearly an act of desperation to make something happen. But
I just didn't understand the logic: why would they expect things to get
better with Marinovich? Jay Schroeder was playing very well, and they lost
a few games mostly due to bad luck.  Elway heroics beat them in Denver, and
a few unlucky fumbles cost them the Bengals game. But at that point they were
only 0-2, not really time to push the panic button yet. Now they are 0-4, and
more importantly I think they've lost their confidence. 

BTW, I feel that the loss of Bo Jackson is the biggest contributing factor to
the Raiders' decline since the 90' season. And why does Al Davis keep insisting
on signing up all these washed-up old players? 

-Tehkao

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From: dmr2040@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: EAGLES
Reply-To: dmr2040@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:26:31 GMT

I agree with you and I don't see why they can't win the Superbowl with
number 1 defense and much improving offense.   Sorry Buffalo you had a 
chance.
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Need Answers not Finger Pointing
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:30:20 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Okay, the GIANTS start off with their worst record since the 1987 season
going 1-4. The difference this time is that this is not a strike season and
let's face it, things aren't aiming to get any better.  So my question, what
should the GIANTS do next?

They've really loaded up on offense during the last few drafts and these guys
could really develop into something so don't mess with that.  The defense?
Well, everyone says the defense is aging but come on now, don't Philly and
Washington have defenses that are getting up there?  And they ended the 1991
season ranked 1 and 3!  Coaching, okay ... get a defensive coordinator. But
who?  Buddy Ryan?  And who for a head coach??  Can anyone offer any hope
to a GIANTS fan that's really starting to feel it??

satish nair
From: cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory Shimer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Patriots News 9/22
Date: 2 Oct 1992 18:02:41 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <RICH.92Oct2104646@quik.clearpoint.com> rich@jasmine.clearpoint.com writes:
>
>I do agree that their offensive line is weak. But their where times when pass
>protection was good, and Millen couldn't deliver the ball. Their offensive line
>just needs some seasoning. They do have Harlow, Chung and Armstrong, but the 
>center Chilton has got to go. He spends more time on his back then a two dollar
>whore. I agree that more offensive linemen are needed, but they still need a
>quarternback.
>
>Rich


Hmm. It seems to me that the offensive line plays very inconsistently,
which makes sense, since they are very young. 

I can't count on my fingers how many times a defensive player has
rushed the QB, and wasn't even picked up (he just ran straight in).

This is unacceptable, and makes it hard for Millen to look good.
I really don't think Millen is a bad QB... probably about average...
but he has been rattled in every game.

also of concern in the secondary.

the secondary lost the game big time against the bills.
bills WR's were open by ten yards, on 40 yard bombs... 

That is also unacceptable.

I don't know if the secondary is really THAT slow, if their heart
isn't in it, or if they are just screwing up.

To give the secondary some credit, however, one of the Pat's glaring
weaknesses is lack of a pass rush. they only legitimate pass
rushers are Andre Tippet, and Vincent Brown, and it seems they never
send Brown to rush anymore. that means the opposing QB (i.e. Kelly)
has all day to wait for his WR's to make a good move, and no secondary
can stick like glue for 20 second or more.

so, the PAts would be good if the offensive line shaped up, the 
the secondary got better, and they gained a good WR, and a good
pass rusher.

unfortunately, thats alot to ask for... you could spend 5-6 drafts
to get those type of players.

more immediately, pats MUST have a WR and a pass Rusher... 
that's only TWO guys. if the Pats expect to win even 4 games
this year they will have to pick up these two.. else, I hate to say it,
but it looks like a 2-14 season to me.

I feel Sorry for coach MacPherson... the guy is great, lots of enthusiasm,
little talent to work with.

Now, as for the Jets next week... Jets will be pumped up as this is a
MUST win for them. look for Pats to keep it close for perhaps a quarter,
and then lose BIG.

(sigh)
From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas and Philadelphia
Keywords: Eagles
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:18:56 GMT
Organization: Houses of the Holy

In article <1992Sep28.181114.1@wharton.upenn.edu>, reille85@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
> In article <9209142257.AA01048@cabell.vcu.edu>, csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) writes:
> 	
> Give the Eagles the intangibles as far as home on Monday Night, and the revenge
> factor and call it...
> 			        Eagles 27
> 				Cowboys 10
> 

                  Eagles 35
                  Cowboys 17


>                                 -Bob Reilley
> 				 University of Pennsylvania


-- 
Nitin Khanna.  I Teach Eunuchs - I mean Unix.
Go Bulls, Bears, Broncos, Blackhawks.
From: ksmoore@taco.engr.ucdavis.edu (Kevin S. Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dexter Carter
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:15:51 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering - University of California - Davis

In article <1992Oct1.135941.26975@menudo.uh.edu> st1ge@Elroy.UH.EDU writes:
>
>     A newspaper here in Houston reported that the Oilers are interested
>in obtaining Dexter Carter from the Niners.  They want to play him as a
>slot receiver in the run & shoot.  It would be nice for the 49ers to get
>rid of Carter since he will no doubt lose a lot of playing times to
>Watters and Lee.  Any news from Niners fans out in the Bay Area?
>
>Edward Hui

If the Niners can get rid of Dexter Carter, then by all means GET RID OF HIM!
I have never understood how anybody 5'7" and 150 lbs. could be considered a
running back.  Dexter Carter is essentially useless.  I say milk the Oilers
for all they can get.
Besides, Dexter is just the right size to be a Smurf, he should be a perfect
addition to the Oilers...All he needs to do now is learn the official
Smurf dance.
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 04:30:46 CET
From: <TELECOMM@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: more results


             Miami         -  Seattle      19 - 17
             NY Jets       -  LA Rams      10 - 18
             Pittsburgh    -  Green Bay     3 - 17
             San Francisco -  New Orleans  16 - 10
From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles/Cowboys (Re: EAGLES WILL GO 16-0 IF ANYONE DOES)
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:00:31 GMT
Organization: Stay Awake Software


Well, MNF is over and it appears that in the early season the Eagles *ARE*
the best team in the league.  They dominated one of the best all-around
teams in the league, in scoring at least.  Dallas played surprisingly
well, and surprisingly poor, throughout the game.  For example:  I counted
6 dropped passes by Cowboy receivers, and 2 dropped interceptions by
Cowboy defenders, and two of AIkman's interceptions were off of tipped
passes.  The Eagle pass rush wasn't _that_ dominate until late
in the game when they knew the Cowboys had to pass.  Walker wasn't a
factor until late in the game when the Eagles were just trying to use up
the clock.  Over-all an impressive performance by the men in green.

I look forward to the second game in *Dallas*.

BTW, is it just me or does Aikman look like an ineffective leader?


Gordon
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The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
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From: barnes@cowboys.esd.sgi.com (Jim Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Dream Match from hell
Keywords: football, guys
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:28:05 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <BvE63t.9M6@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v079ptvu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
writes:
|> If you guys would just sit back for one minute and look at what you're
|> doing
|> you'd realize that you're arguing with people you don't know, that
|> you'll never
|> know over football.  ALL football teams have their star players and
|> their high
|> points.  The Bills have had a good run these last few years...mainly
|> acredited
|> to Jim Kelly. Mr. Kelly IS one of the top quarterbacks in the AFC, true,
|> but he
|> is not God.  Joe Montana likewise, before his injuries, was and still is
|> one of
|> the best.  
|> 	All you guys are doing is blowing off alot of steam to no end.  You
|> cannot win an argument based on stubborn football fans opinions.  My
|> point
|> being...why don't you guys lighten up and DISCUSS football...not turn it
|> into a
|> computer grudge match.
|> 
|> 						
Here Here !
From: jorgand@sumax.seattleu.edu (Dave Jorgan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Chargers win o-n-e game
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:35:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

In article <1992Oct5.205440.8671@pbhya.PacBell.COM> drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall) writes:
>In article <39033@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>>
>>
>>SEATTLE 6  CHARGERS 17
>>
>>
>>Finally!! A team SD could handle, at home. SD got all points
>>in the 1st half, and then shut down Seattle totally.
>>
>>SD scored first on a long bomb to Miller who got 2 steps on 
>>his man, and the Safety was late getting there. They scored
>>again just before halftime, another pass from Humphries to 
>>Miller [replay showed it might have hit the ground].
>>
>>Seattle was totally throttled. They lost Stoufer in the 1st half
>>to an injury, and McGwire was picked off 3 times. They never 
>
>How long will Stoufer be out?
>



	Stouffer will be out a minimum of four weeks with a separated
left shoulder, and perhaps more. The only good news is that Stouffer's
throwing shoulder is his right one- but it must have been pretty bad if
a separation of his non-throwing shoulder forces him out for 4 or more weeks.
Dan McGwire will QB Seattle for the meantime.





Dave Jorgan
jorgand@sumax.seattleu.edu




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From: damon@rsdps.gsfc.nasa.gov (Peter Damon, (301)286-4926, HSTX, GSFC 28/W279)
Subject: Re: EAGLES WILL GO 16-0 IF ANYONE DOES
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:54:00 GMT

>                  Randel has played in 3 play off games, lost all 3
>                  and has only quarterbacked one scoring drive (TD)
>                  out of 12 possetions in the post season. (This is
>                  what I remember, it might not be exact but I do know
>                  of all his play off drives he has only scored once
> 

While this may be true (I'm not sure of your statistics either), in the past,
Randall has essentially been the *entire* offense for the Eagles.  However,
that's not the case this year with a newfound running attack (probably more a
credit to a better OL than to Herschel, IMO).

>                                
>                              -doug THE dolfan-
>

Well, Doug, seeing that you're a Dolfin fan,  you may be interested to note
that Randall should have had TWO scoring drives in the playoffs.  Let's not
forget the playoff game against Chicago.  Pass in the end zone.  Right in the
chest.  Right between the numbers.  Dropped ball, no score.  Thank you, Keith
Jackson.  Of course, this drop was in the first half, before the fog rolled in
(the infamous Fog Bowl, you know), and would have put the Eagles in a much
better position to win the game, rather than playing catch-up in the soup that
rolled in off the lake.

I certainly make no foolish predictions regarding 16-0 seasons or a Super Bowl
appearance/victory.  The Eagles are vastly improved offensively over the past
several years, and two notches below defensively (J. Brown/B. Smith) from last
year, but will still have one of the top three defenses in the league.  Beyond
that, I (and hopefully the Eagles) will take each game as it comes.

My only prediction here:  Eagles and Cowboys will probably split their series,
with each team winning their home game.  I'll be there to help crowd noise be a
factor in the Eagles favor on Monday night!

Go EAGLES!

Peter Damon
Hughes STX Corporation
NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Greenbelt, Maryland 20771
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: '72 Dolphins/Steelers
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:20:29 GMT

In article: <Sep.28.17.06.43.1992.7680@pepper.rutgers.edu>, rhoads@pepper.rutgers.edu (Glenn Rhoads) writes:

>Actually, the 1972 Dolphins had THREE 1000 yard runners: "Mercury"
>Morris, Larry Csonka, and Jim Kiick(sp?).  I believe the '72 Dolphins
>were the only team to ever have three 1000 yard runners in a single
>season. 

>-- Glenn Rhoads

Sorry to burst your bubble Glenn, Jim Kiick only had 521 rushing yards that
season on 137 carries. He scored 5 TD's rushing. He got another 147 yards
receiving on 21 catches and scored a TD on one.

John T.
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