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From: regius@cs.utexas.edu (Regius S. Gunawan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Perakit BI
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:57:35 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1992Dec11.164724.28169@cs.cornell.edu> donsw@cs.cornell.edu (Donald Wihardja) writes:
>As for making your own language, I wouldn't advise it unless you have
>a better reason that wanting to make it look Indonesian.
I think the original poster wanted to make an 'introductory language'
for Indonesian students.  IMHO the language will end up somewhat like
PASCAL, in which it would enforce 'good' programming style.
(Of course 'good' is another subject for us to debate on :)
I also think that the teaching methodology should emphasize that
the student learn the concepts in the languages' structures so that
the student can with not much difficulty switch to any language
he/she should be using.
(Which opens another subject of teaching methodology in Indonesia :)

>A practical programming language must have more than a purpose.
As I see it now, the purpose of the language is educational.
{come to think of it, PASCAL is not that bad after all :}

>to make C looks indonesian, require very little effort
Why even bother?  I don't see any reason one should even try to
change the tokens into Indonesian.  Oh, and regarding 'little
effort', are you going to leave the standard library alone?
It'll give rise to the "bahasa gado-gado" problem, which some
(read: I) don't like.  ^_^

>Donald
^_^ regius ^_^
From: andri@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: ufo
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:50:20 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Hehe,
kerjain sendiri dong p-r-nya.
bye.
From: purwinto@mailbox.syr.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: INA: Flores relief aid needed [12/17/1992]
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 02:21:47 -0500


----------------------------
Flores Relief Aid Task Force
----------------------------

Rekan-rekan yang budiman (Dear folks), a.w.: 

Regarding a huge disaster caused by 6.8 RS earthquake and experienced 
by our brothers and sisters at Flores and the surrounding islands, 
I ask you for giving some release by sending your donation to the victims. 
To present your humanitarian aid in cash, please send me your personal 
cheque or cashier cheque or international money order to the address below:

Wahyu Purwinto
A7-1 Slocum Heights
Syracuse, NY. 13210. U.S.A.
Voice: 315.449.3538

I will send all your donation to the National Committee of the Flores
Relief Aid (Panitia National Bencana Gempa Bumi di Flores NTT) located
in Borobudur Hotel, Jakarta, and chaired by Frans Seda and Maladewa.  
The faster you send the relief aid, the better their chances to release. 
Hope you could join this relief aid action to release those who need. 
Thank you in advance for your solidarity. God bless you.

Notes: Reported that The Indonesian communities at Syracuse - New York, 
       and Ann Arbor - Michigan, and the Indonesian Development Studies 
       Networkers (PBDLIST members) will preferably send their donation 
       to my address. Then I will wire the donation to the National 
       Committee's Bank Dagang Negara's (BDN) account via the BDN branch 
       in New York City. I will regularly post any progress of the donation.  

Best regards, wassalam,
-wien (PBDLIST Admin) 
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From: prastowo@qucis.queensu.ca (Bambang Nurcahyo Prastowo)
Subject: Re: Perakit BI
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:17:37 GMT

In article <1gcvkkINNck@agate.berkeley.edu> tandean@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tandean Tekno) writes:
>1. build a preprocessor on top of widely used languages (C, etc)............
>   Basically, it holds a bunch of MACROS to do text-replacement for "terminal"
>   symbols and language constructs...
>   Send this to Indonesia... let students use it for a while..
>   get their responses!!!
Why not here in the internetland. There are many Indonesian who use
the net to send mail and read news who don't do programming. 

>   I think crafting an Indonesian style compiler for other than educational 
>   purpose is very hard. We can end up like US military... new languages for
>   new applications.. Remember, they are a lot of C "dialects"  out there..
>   although they have ANSI-C comittie to specify the syntax and semantics of
>   C. 
Agree!

Bambang Prastowo
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Subject: Gempa bumi !!??
From: bniti@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:44:00 CST
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
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Dear Netters,

	Saya mendengar sekelebatdari CNN beberapa hari yang lalu bahwa 
telah terjadi gempa bumi di Flores (kalau tidak salah).
Jika ada yang punya berita lengkap, Saya berterima kasih sekali jika anda
mau memuatnya (post) di newsgroup ini.

Terima Kasih

Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:49:50 -0500 
From: Carlos Bispo <cb8t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Earthquake in Flores


Hi,

At this time of sorrow and pain in the island of Flores I would like to
express my deepest sympathy to those Indonesians that directly or
indirectly are suffering due to the recent earthquake that has assumed
so impressive dimensions.

Sincerely

Carlos
From: purwinto@mailbox.syr.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: INA: Flores relief aid needed
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 11:16:05 -0500


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Article: 15179 of soc.culture.asean
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
>From: purwinto@mothra.syr.EDU 
Subject: INA: Flores relief aid needed
Keywords: Flores-Sumba earthquake victims
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 11:22:10 EST

 
----------------------------
Flores Relief Aid Task Force
----------------------------

Dear folks, a.w.: 

Regarding a huge disaster experienced by our Flores and Sumba brothers
and sisters (Christians, Muslims, and others), I ask you for giving 
some release by sending our charity to the victims. To present your 
humanitarian aid in cash, please send your personal cheque or cashier 
cheque (for those who reside in the U.S.) or international money order 
(for those who reside outside the U.S.) to the address below:

Wahyu Purwinto
A7-1 Slocum Heights
Syracuse, NY. 13210. U.S.A.
Voice: 315.449.3538

I will send all your charity to Flores-Sumba through an independent
agency such as the Indonesian Red Cross (PMI) or one of the national 
daily newspapers (Indonesia Times, Indonesian Observer, Jakarta Post,
and Kompas). The faster you send the relief aid, the better their 
chances to release. Hope you could join this relief aid action to 
release those who need. Thank you in advance for your solidarity. 
God bless you.

Notes: The Indonesian community at Syracuse, New York, and the 
       Indonesian Development Studies Networkers (PBDLIST members)
       will preferably send their donation to my address. I will post
       regularly the progress of the donation. 

Best regards, wassalam,
-wien (PBDLIST Admin) 
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From: regius@cs.utexas.edu (Regius S. Gunawan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Perakit BI
Date: 12 Dec 1992 14:57:54 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: lovelady.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Dec12.180241.28301@cs.cornell.edu> donsw@cs.cornell.edu (Donald Wihardja) writes:
>>   something during winter break to hack gcc's grammar.y ... Gcc source files
>>   are available eveywhere... Use archie to find it.. Find one based on DOS
>>   platform... After beta-tested.. send it to Indonesia..... If they like it,
>>   ask permission from FSF to distribute it in Indonesia..
>Well, it is easy if gnu people are nice. I am under the impression
>that gcc is freeware. And they wouldn't mind modifications to broaden its
>acceptability.  I think.
I don't know if FSF people will let anyone just hack their grammar.y
and recompile, but there's no stopping from using gcc to build one's
own compiler (as long as that bloody COPYING or whatever file is there :)

>Good luck on this one. I don't have the skill or the will power to even 
>think about doing this.  (Implementing a language is easy(er), making up
>the language is hard.)
I thought someone here is building the language ^_^

>>just my Rp.0,00001 opinion..
>Hmm.... isnt it Rp. 41,- now? :>
Rp. 41,00 already?  Yikes!  Better usher those among us who
knows more on economy and the like to discuss on that ^_^

>Donald
^_^ regius ^_^
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From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: Perakit BI
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:50:53 GMT

Re: this thread ... 
Has anybody used a Japanese MS-DOS ? (or other Japanese OS for that matter).
I would think it's more difficult for them to deal with.

IMHO 'perakit BI' should be easier to develop than  'perakit bahasa Kanji' :-)
Just a thought...

-- budi
-- 
Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
From: regius@cs.utexas.edu (Regius S. Gunawan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Teaching methodology in Indonesia in CS
Date: 12 Dec 1992 14:51:43 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: lovelady.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Dec12.175016.27939@cs.cornell.edu> donsw@cs.cornell.edu (Donald Wihardja) writes:
>Why Scheme/Lisp. (Last time I look, Lisp is a functional programming
>language, I might be wrong as I hate programming language theory. Of
>course if you are joking about the "functionality" of Lisp.... Hey, it
>is functional, I though Emacs is written in Lisp... (garbage collecting..))
For all I know to be a functional language, a language must not
have side effects on all of its constituents.  LISP doesn't meet
this criterion.  I know that LISP is useful (heck, I love emacs :)
but other functional languages are as powerful and much cleaner
(having the advantage of learning from LISP's mistakes :)
Scheme on the other hand IS a functional language.

>Back to why Scheme. Well, cause it's different. (and sufficiently 
>powerful not to be a toy language) then maybe they want to learn 
>Miranda or ML too, depending how far they want to go.
I'd probably just go ahead and use Miranda.  It's definitely
not a toy language and its syntax is nicer than Scheme. ^_^
Sure is 'different' from the usual imperative language.  ^_^

>Either way, I hope you agree that if they want this deep a level of 
>understanding, they should learn english, and English version of the
>language (Even if an Indonesian version is developed) Just like the
>Ph.D students in Math here is pushed to learn German or Russian. 
Couldn't say it better.

>Donald.
^_^ regius ^_^
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: prastowo@qucis.queensu.ca (Bambang Nurcahyo Prastowo)
Subject: Re: Perakit BI
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:05:00 GMT

In article <lihblvINN8au@lovelady.cs.utexas.edu> regius@cs.utexas.edu (Regius S. Gunawan) writes:
>Mengapa tidak 'reinvent' bahasa berdasarkan C++.  Struktur
>C++ sendiri sudah cukup stabil (ada standarnya), dan jika
>anda tidak senang beberapa hal, jangan sertakan hal-hal
>tersebut.  Itu jika anda ingin membuat bahasa berorientasi
C++ berjaya karena didukung AT&T, eh.. Apple juga ikut!
Kalau baca SIGPLAN Notices, belakangan ini banyak orang
menyalahkan rancangan dasar C++.
Saya setuju dengan Sdr. Regius dalam hal pentingnya mendahulukan
rumusan semantik. Ayo Oki, tayangkan dong rancangan bahasanya!
Paling "mudah", kita definisikan saja semantiknya dengan 
transformasi ke PASCAL atau C, juga perakitnya.
Dengan demikian, urusan optimisasi bisa ndompleng perakit
PASCAL atau C. Coba saja buat perakit Oki->C. Nama Oki 
bagus juga ya, untuk bahasa rancangan Mas Oki itu?

Salam, Bambang
From: sudiyant@metz.une.edu.au (SUDIYANTO)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: test
Keywords: test
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:48:10 GMT

Please ignore,....
From: purwinto@mailbox.syr.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: SUMBANGLAH KORBAN GEMPA FLORES [12/18/92]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 19:48:44 -0500


Rekan-rekan yang budiman:

Seperti yang telah anda ketahui, gempa bumi dahsyat telah terjadi di
pulau Flores dan sekitarnya. Gempa berskala 6.8 Richter ini terjadi
di siang hari pukul 1:30 WIB pada hari Sabtu 12 Desember yang lalu
di dasar laut sebelah utara kota Maumere. Gempa ini menimbulkan
gelombang air pasang setinggi 25 meter dari permukaan air laut dan
menghempas daratan sedalam +/- 300 meter. Pulau Babi tergenang air
seluruhnya. Kota Maumere dan sekitarnya rusak total. Puluhan ribu
korban manusia yang hampir 5000 diantaranya telah meninggal dunia.

Saudara-saudara kita di Flores ini perlu kita bantu semampu kita.
Untuk itu, marilah bersama-sama menyumbang dana bagi mengurangi
kesengsaraan para korban. Sejumlah rekan telah meminta saya untuk
mengumpulkan dana dari anda sekalian. Oleh sebab itu, saya menunggu
keikhlasan anda yang berada di AS untuk mengirimkan uang kontan
atau cek pribadi atau cek kasir, bagi anda yang berada di luar AS 
bisa mengirimkan 'international money order' ke

  Wahyu Purwinto
  A7-1 Slocum Heights
  Syracuse, New York 13210

Atau, anda juga bisa mengirim dana melalui 'wire transfer' ke akun
khusus dana kemanusiaan:

  TO            : CHASE Lincoln First Bank
                  Rochester, New York.

  FOR CREDIT TO : CHASE Lincoln First Bank
		  Syracuse, New York.

  ABA           : 022300173 

  NAME          : Wahyu Purwinto

  ACCOUNT NUMBER: 600 738 4644

Besarnya sumbangan tidak dibatasi, dan terserah kemampuan anda sekalian.
Sejumlah anggota masyarakat Indonesia di Syracuse telah mengirimkan 
sumbangannya. Masyarakat Indonesia di Ann Arbor, Michigan, dan para
partisipan PBDLIST@SUVM (The Indonesian Development Studies Network)
juga sedang mengumpulkan sumbangan untuk dikirimkan via akun khusus
tersebut di atas.  

Seluruh sumbangan yang ada akan dikirimkan kepada Panitia Nasional
Gempa Bumi Flores yang dipimpin oleh bapak Frans Seda dan bermarkas
di Hotel Borobudur. Panitia telah menyediakan akun di BDN ranting
Hotel Borobudur. Sumbangan anda yang dikirimkan ke akun khusus tersebut
akan dikirimkan ke akun Panitia melalui kawat kilat dari BDN cabang NYC.

Terima kasih atas bantuan dan kerjasama anda sekalian. Semoga sumbangan
anda membuahkan pahala yang setimpal. 

wassalam,
-wien 

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: p91083sw@tom.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Wahyo Sindhu)
Subject: korban gempa di Flores >2000 jiwa
Organization: Kyushu Institute of Technology, Iizuka, JAPAN.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:32:22 GMT
Distribution: alt


Pemerintah Indonesia mengumumkan jumlah korban akibat gempa di Flores bertambah
 Di pulau Flores dinyatakan 1584 tewas, 290 org hilang.
 Di pulau Babi(sebelah utara Flores) 600 orang tewas.
150 orang tenaga medis telah datang & segera melakukan pekerjannya. Angkatan
Laut telah ditugasi untuk ikut membantu menanggulangi kerusakan.
   Pemerintah Jepang menyatakan akan segera mengirim $1.000.000 dan barang2
senilai $50.000.000 
   bantuan juga datang dari Australia dan Filipina.
Demikian berita yg saya kutip dari NHK.


wassalam,
Wahyo Sindhu ABK
Kyushu Institute of Technology
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From: p91083sw@tom.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Wahyo Sindhu)
Subject: gempa di Flores
Organization: Kyushu Institute of Technology, Iizuka, JAPAN.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:10:08 GMT
Distribution: alt


Hai,
pagi ini saya dengar berita dari NHK bahwa telah terjadi gempa di Flores.
Kerusakan terbesar ada di kota Maumere, dimana 80% bangunan hancur.
Gempa tersebut berkekuatan 6.8 skala Richter (menurut pengukur gempa di 
Amerika, mereka mencatat 7.5).
Gempa hari sabtu (12 des) itu menimbulkan gelombang setinggi 20 meter &
mencapai daratan sejauh 300 meter.
korban tewas: 1332 orang.
              ^^^^
Pemerintah telah mengirim berbagai bantuan & bantuan juga datang dari ABRI AL.
Jumlah korban diperkirakan akan bertambah.


wassalam,
Wahyo Sindhu ABK
Kyushu Institute of Technology
From: regius@cs.utexas.edu (Regius S. Gunawan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Perakit BI
Date: 12 Dec 1992 08:31:04 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: lovelady.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Dec12.085809.12716@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu (Oki D Zakaria) writes:
>Soalnya saya masih punya problem dalam
>struktur data yang mesti disertakan. (Pemula itu apakah perlu "linked-list",
>"pointer", dan "record"?)
Anda ingin menyertakan 'linked-list' sebagai 'built-in data structure'?
Mengingat bahasa ini dimaksud untuk memperkenalkan ide-ide yang ada
dalam bahasa-bahasa pemrograman, saya rasa tiada salahnya anda sertakan
semua struktur yang ada dalam Pascal.  (mungkin ada yang tidak sering
dipakai dan bisa dibiarkan saja - seperti set :)

>Akan tetapi, saya kira pemahaman cara pembuatan perakit (bahasa tingkat
>tinggi -> bahasa mesin) juga memiliki segi positifnya.
Pemahaman cara kerja perakit bahasa tingkat tinggi memang termasuk
bahan wajib bagi murid 'CS', tapi cara membuat?  Tentu saja yang
saya maksud membuat perakit dengan optimisasi.
Tapi ini kembali pada subyek pendidikan komputer.  ^_^

>Melihat 'kelakuan' orang Indonesia pada umumnya, saya khawatir, belum
>apa-apa nanti mereka bertanya: "Bahasa pemrograman Oki? Oki itu titelnya apa?"
Saya rasa orang Indonesia umumnya juga akan mempunyai reaksi
yang mirip jika disodori Oberon, atau bahkan LISP.  Diterimanya
Pascal dan C menurut saya adalah hasil tiupan majalah-majalah
komputer yang bisa didapat di Indonesia (dengan kata lain, hanya
ikutarus di Amerika; itu pun hanya di dunia PC :).

>Oki
^_^ regius ^_^
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From: donsw@cs.cornell.edu (Donald Wihardja)
Subject: Teaching methodology in Indonesia in CS
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:50:16 GMT

In previous article Regious said:
>I really think we should have another thread going about current
>teaching methodology in Indonesia (esp in CS :), and how to improve
>it.
Good idea. (I wonder if this posting will do what I want it to do. 
I haven't use news much.)

C or Pascal? Well, whichever is easiest to use = whichever everybody 
is using so a new user can get help and an old one doesn't have to 
switch. Hell, do both. Can I safely say that these two made up most
of the useful programs (okay FORTRAN too, but that's old, I think,)
in DEVELOPMENT today. 

Why Scheme/Lisp. (Last time I look, Lisp is a functional programming
language, I might be wrong as I hate programming language theory. Of
course if you are joking about the "functionality" of Lisp.... Hey, it
is functional, I though Emacs is written in Lisp... (garbage collecting..))
Back to why Scheme. Well, cause it's different. (and sufficiently 
powerful not to be a toy language) then maybe they want to learn 
Miranda or ML too, depending how far they want to go. (I haven't 
program enough in ML (actually SML) to see what it can do, but it is
weird enough to broaden people's mind about what a programming language
can do.)

Either way, I hope you agree that if they want this deep a level of 
understanding, they should learn english, and English version of the
language (Even if an Indonesian version is developed) Just like the
Ph.D students in Math here is pushed to learn German or Russian. 

Donald.
-- 
CS Department, Cornell University
Ithaca, New York.
From: "PUTRI GENI, MKTG6010" <pgeni%cudenver.bitnet@utcs.utoronto.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: usenet newsgroup
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 09:31:04 -0500

Assalamu'alaikum wr.wb.,

Saya tertarik untuk ikut gabung dengan usenet newsgroup. Maklum
rasanya selama ini ketinggalan informasi terus dari kampung sendiri.
Terima kasih banyak.

Wassalam,

Dodi.
Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 11:08:13 -0500 
From: Carlos Bispo <cb8t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Fretilin leader arrested last friday
	<c60a-nd.723977931@danube.Berkeley.EDU>

In article  <c60a-nd.723977931@danube.Berkeley.EDU>
c60a-nd@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Will Halim) writes:


>Carlos Bispo <cb8t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>comment for your previous posting:
> 
>my fellow americans were very happy when they read your article, that all
>of them want to incite riot and then demanding for independence for their
>county (not country) such that they could be highly regarded as Nelson
>Mandela from United States as well. Cool, that's a very cool way to become
>another Nelson Mandela : incite riot and demanding something noble.
>(nothing personal for NM, i said it with all due respect of you; it's just
>because a Portuguese belittles your fight by comparing with a street gangster
>-- oops sorry, it should have been 'jungle fighter').
> 

If you have the opinion that Xanana Gusmao is no more than a riot
provoquer I understand that you may find the comparison with Nelson
Mandela innapropriate.
I was not the person who made the comparasion in the first place. But I
agree with it in part because I don't think Xanana Gusmao is just a
common trouble maker. He has become the symbol of the fight of the East
Timorese, even if you don't like it.
About your american friends I'm glad that at least they find this very amusing.
I'd say that they have a hell of a sense of humor. Just tell them that
part of their tax payer's money has been used to help Indonesia buying
weapons that then are used by the Indonesian army to kill civilians.
Perhaps they will become even happier.

> 
>>i) sentencing him to death will make him a hero;
>> 
>>ii) arresting him for the rest of his life will be a hard burden to
>>carry due to inevitable foreign pressure as in Nelson Mandela's case.
>> 
>>It will be very interesting to see what will follow this capture.
>>Moreover Mr. Gusmao does not have to accept to be judged under
>>Indonesian justice.
>> 
> don't worry about him, Carlos. he would be treated well, much better than
>how the Colonialist Portugal treated East Timor in the bitter old days.
> 
>-HMI-
 
I sincerely hope that you are rigth. Please believe in my sincerity.
However, after knowing of the broadcasted message where Xanana Gusmao
was calling his followers to give up, I'm affraid that your concept of
treating someone well is very different from mine.
You sincerely do not believe that a man who fights during 17 years
"discovers" two weeks after being arrested that he was wrong all these
years.

Carlos