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From: bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs)
Subject: Human Target
Reply-To: bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 22:43:08 GMT


I thought the show was fairly decent.  Rocker and ex-soap star Rick
Springfield did a better job than I expected, and I liked the storyline.
It lacks a good time slot (the preview for the next episode indicated
that the permanent time slot would be Saturdays at 10pm) and the
intangibles that separate good shows from average shows.

C. Gibbs
From: mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Mary E. Allison)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Never seen QL - What's the big deal?
Date: 24 Jul 1992 18:16:32 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:


>While I understand the basic premise of QL, it sounds a little silly.  And
>yet the people who net about it seem really impressed.  Given the general
>level of conversation about it (most of the fans seem like reasonably
>intelligent folks), I wonder what the attraction is.

>Can someone explain to me, please, what it is about QL that inspires
>such loyalty?  The basic concept seems pretty straight-forward and not
>all that exciting.  Is it the acting, the plots, the characterizations,
>or what?

Okay -- first the MOST obvious advantage.  And this is from the
perspective of a straight FEMALE.  

SCOTT BAKULA and DEAN STOCKWELL.  You take a picture of Scott and a
picture of Dean and show it to most women and they WILL think that AT
LEAST one of them is a major hunk worth drooling over.  Now, some
women might prefer Scott and some might prefer Dean but for the female
18-35 group they've found SOMETHING there that will please the proper
demographic group.  (And - females age 18-35 are a very good
demographic group to please - supposedly we spend a LOT of money so
advertisers like to get to us ).

Also - the stories are mostly done very well.  I like the thought of
someone walking a mile in someone elses shoes.  I think it gives
people a better understanding to be able to see things from the other
side of the street. 

--
          I really hate this (bleep) machine,
          I wish that they would sell it.
          It never does quite what I want,
          But only what I tell it.

    Mary Allison (mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu) Urbana, Illinois
Catx2 Owned, Square Dancer, Leaper, Ballroom Dancer in training 
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From: baylor@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Subject: Re: Asimov / Heinlein
Reply-To: baylor@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 19:35:21 GMT

In article <l6tlfnINNpsp@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, jimj@cleanplate.EBay.Sun.COM (James D. Jones) writes:
>In article <63985@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccocsme@prism.gatech.EDU (StatMan) writes:
><  Hopefully this has not already been said yet...
><
><  Asimov's 'Nightfall' was made into a movie about 4-5 years ago. Dont remember
><much about it, except that is was not very good and it had a lot of sex in
><it for some reason.
>
>Asimov was also involved with the movie "Fantastic Voyage," and indeed
>wrote a book by that name.  But I don't remember if the movie was based on
>the book, or if the book was based on the movie.  

If I recall correctly, Asimov wrote the book from the movie, but 
the movie was written from a book by some French author. I don't know 
about the original story, but Asimov's version I consider better than
the movie. At least (given that I was about 7 when the movie came out)
the intrigue was easier to follow, and most of the blatent science 
absurdities were mended.

>
>"Fantastic Voyage..."  pretty lame now, but pretty good if you were 10
>in 1965.  I still remember watching the antibodies eat Donald Pleasance.
From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher)
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Subject: Re: TV pilot preview
Date: 23 Jul 1992 04:45:03 -0500
Organization: The SMOF-BBS: Science Fiction Online Since 1985 [512-467-7317]
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  If this new show "Doors" has people in it that we can develope feeling
for then it will make it. All of those other show that sighted had people
in them that I really could not give a flip about.
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From: sll28@cc.usu.edu (LORNA_PAYNE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Even more 70s SF TV, Pt. II
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:19:41 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Jul24.015223.5879@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs) writes:
> 
> Help, please?
> 
> 1) This show I think was called "Wolfen", "Wolfman", or something like
>    that.  The lead character was a guy (NAtive American, I think) who
>    had wolf abilities or something like that.

There was a show called "Lucan" (pronounced Loo-can) that starred Kevin
Brophy as Lucan, a boy who was raised by wolves.  At stressful moments he
would "regress".

> 
> 2) This show had a group of people travelling endlessly.  The only person
>    I remember is a woman who seemed to have a telepathic link with her 
>     cat.  SHe looked into its eyes and saw everything it had seen.
 
Incredible Journey.  Starred Jared Martin as Varian, a timetraveler with 
a magical crystal tuning fork (reminds me of a sonic screwdriver now) and
Roddy McDowell as an obnoxious scientist.  The girl you're thinking was
was a telepath and she did have a black cat as her "familiar".

Lorna
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From: spice@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Even more 70s SF TV, Pt. II
Date: 25 Jul 92 19:05:32 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <1992Jul24.015223.5879@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs) writes:
> 
> Help, please?
> 
> 1) This show I think was called "Wolfen", "Wolfman", or something like
>    that.  The lead character was a guy (NAtive American, I think) who
>    had wolf abilities or something like that.


The name of the show was Lucan. It was about a child who had been 
raised by wolves but who was later captured and finished growing up
among people. The premise of the show was that Lucan had some kind of
special abilities due to being initially raised by wolves. 

                            Scott Corley

spice@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu

 
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From: charles@netcom.netcom.com (Charles R. Hoynowski)
Subject: Re: Sci-Fi Channel
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 01:16:32 GMT
Organization: Gizmonic Institute, SOL Division
Distribution: all

In article <Br4GK5.EoG@newcastle.ac.uk> unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) writes:


   Anyone know if there is a chacne that the Sci Fi channel will come to
   the UK satellite airwaves?  We've nothing on terrestrial telly
   for SciFi (QL is done, no more STTNG)...

   I need SciFi

Gee, don't we all?

According to Hughes Communications, inc. the Sci-Fi channel will be
found on on the new, hot Galaxy 5, trans. 4.  Galaxy 5 lives at 125
west longitude, which I believe puts it below your western horizon 
in the UK, but maybe you can just see it, I don't know.

Also note Galaxy 5 is a C-band bird.

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From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:03:54 GMT
Subject: Re: B7:  Servalan
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
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Ultimate survivor or no - all it would have taken was for Avon to screw 
with me just once (e.g. try to flush me out an airlock, leave me on a
desolate world) for the sake of his own skin and I would have blasted him
into little Avon bits.

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From: eric_gorr@coglab_psych.uoregon.edu (eric gorr)
Subject: Re: Human Target
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 16:14:41 GMT

In article <9207210359.AB01040@rutgers.edu>, IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU
(MacPhil) writes:
> 
> For the longterm comix [sic] readers, what do you think of the
> latest incarnation from the 70s (Human Target) compared to
> the print version ?
> 

It was an ok start...I think the main problem (and fatal?) problem this
show
will have is in the variety of plots it can do....

There doesn't seem to be much room to do unique things with the show...
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Subject: SAT TV
From: flow@musctn.monsanto.com
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:48:10 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: julien

I WAS GOING THROUGH THE NEWSNET FILE LAST WEEK AND CAME ACROSS 
A FILE ON SATALITE TV.... THE FILE WAS INTERESTING AND INFORMATIVE
I WAS TELLING A FRIEND ABOUT THE FILE AND THEN TRIED TO VIEW IT                
AGAIN...HOWEVER THE FILE HAS DISAPPEARED.  CAN SOMEONE TELL ME IF IT
HAS BEEN DELETED FROM THE NEWSNET OR IS IT JUST BEING UPDATED?

MUSC.
From: shimkus@athena.cs.uga.edu (Peter Gambit)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Asimov / Heinlein
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:49:58 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Some time ago, Asimov collaborated with Harlan Ellison on a Robot screenplay.
It was never produced, but the script was facinating.

Yours,
Peter Gambit
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From: wehumble@IASTATE.EDU (Ed Humble)
Subject: Re: Asimov / Heinlein
Reply-To: wehumble@IASTATE.EDU (Ed Humble)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:36:29 GMT

In article <5000@transfer.stratus.com>, hship@sw.stratus.com (Howard Ship)
writes:
> The Museum of Science (Boston, MA, USA) put on a special planeterium (!)
> show several years ago of "The Last Command" (? on title).  A computer is
> asked "Can Entropy be Reversed?", i.e., can the inevitable heat death of
> the universe be avoided.  Of thousands of the millenia, evermore powerful
> computers are asked the same question.  Finally, the universe is dead, except
> for a last, computer, which ponders the question.  Finally, it answers the
> question: yes.  And demonstrates it by creating a new universe.
> 
> -- 
> "Is that real blood?" 
> Howard_Ship@vos.stratus.com

	Does anyone know if this program is still shown anywhere?  "The Last Question"
was always one of my favorites.  In one of his anthologies, Asimov wrote in a
footnote what his three favorite stories (of his own) were.  "The Last Question"
was on that list (So was "The Ugly Little Boy" but I can't remember the third)
and he wrote that it wouldn't have been there until he saw a planetarium's
adaptation of it which changed his mind.  

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From: belo@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Matthew J. Belo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: SciFi Channel not on NE Continental Cablevision!
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:02:28 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <SS.92Jul8111045@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>>>>>> On 8 Jul 92 14:02:29 GMT, hship@sw.stratus.com (Howard Ship) said:
>
>hship> At this time Continental Cablevision in Massachusetts (and
>hship> possibly beyond) does NOT plan on carrying the upcoming Sci-Fi
>hship> Channel!
>
>Then why did I see an advertisment last week for the Sci-Fi channel?
>
>--
>                        Scott Streeter
>                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu

You probably saw the advertisement for Sci-Fi channel for the same reason
those of us in the Northwest subscribing to TCI Cablevision have seen it;
advertising was paid for by the channel to be aired on certain cable channels.
This is the answer I received when I called the company inquiring about
availability and finding that they will also not be carrying the channel :(.

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From: amd@space.mit.edu (Ann M. Davis)
Subject: Re: Asimov / Heinlein
Reply-To: amd@space.mit.edu (Ann M. Davis)
Organization: MIT Center for Space Research
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:52:48 GMT


>, hship@sw.stratus.com (Howard Ship) writes:
> The Museum of Science (Boston, MA, USA) put on a special planeterium (!)
> show several years ago of "The Last Command" (? on title).  A computer is
> asked "Can Entropy be Reversed?", i.e., can the inevitable heat death of
> the universe be avoided.  Of thousands of the millenia, evermore powerful
> computers are asked the same question.  Finally, the universe is dead, except
> for a last, computer, which ponders the question.  Finally, it answers the
> question: yes.  And demonstrates it by creating a new universe.

Hey, I saw that!  It's one of those things I've never forgotten, and I
don't think I was that old at the time.  I know it was based on an Isaac
Asimov story, but I can never remember the title either.  I *think* it
was _The Final Question_

	Ann

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From: dcpiii@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (pawlak dan)
Subject: Re: Wanted: MST3K KTMA-TV 23 episodes!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:11:27 GMT

jenkins@local.host writes:


>I am looking for the original episodes from _Mystery Science Theater 3000_ 
>which were aired on KTMA-TV 23 in Minneapolis.

>If anyone has *ANY* copies, good or bad, partial or whole, please contact me.

PLEASE contact me as well...I have been after these for a while now and they 
are all that is missing from my MST collection...I'll give you anything, my
first born, all my Star Wars guys, money, happiness, frosting, anything, help,
mommy...mommy, sniff sniff!!

"...what do ya think sirs??"

Dan Pawlak send all mail (hate and other) to dcpiii@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: isgwillim@bra.isnet.inmos.co.uk
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Subject: Re:  Shada video out now
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:49:49 GMT
Organization: Inmos Limited

In article <1992Jul22.032527.460@intacc.uucp>, jmacd@intacc.uucp (Jason MacDermott) writes:
>   For Doctor Who fans (such as myself), this tape is a blessing!  And there
> are several justifications for the price hike, although I will admit the BBC
> tend to overprice things anyway.
>  

    Very true but they've got to get money somehow. 


>   First off, more material was shot for this video, and special effects were
> added.  It wasn't just a television story slapped onto video tape.  
>  
>   Second, I'm sure any fan of the series (and many fans of Douglas Adams) will
> appreciate the scripts, as they have never been seen before.  The story hasn't
> been novelised either, unlike most of the Doctor Who stories.  Plus it will
> assist in filling-in the unrecorded parts of the story.  
>  
>   Third, if they didn't raise the price, how would they pay Douglas Adams?
>  

    Actualy, no. On my copy, it says that money DA would have got is going to
    comic relief - Comedy version of LIVE AID. Several million out of ten for
    that one.

>   Hey, at least it's being released in the U.K.  Here in Canada and the U.S.
> we will probably have to wait a year or so - IF it's released at all over
> here!  I'd be happy to pay my $40 for it.
>  

    I do sometimes feel sorry for non UK resedents, It seems at the moment 
    that we get at least two tapes (seperate titles) every two months being 
    released (Doctor Who) as well as occasional specials like the TWIN DILEMMA
    Exclusive to a well known chain of shops (begining with W).

    This and Blake 7 which has nearly all been released. (Alternate months with
    Dr Who).



>   Jason MacDermott
> jmacd@intacc.uucp
>  
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From: ELKOWITZ@LENORE.TCH.HARVARD.EDU (Allan Elkowitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: RE: SF-LOVERS Digest   V17 #381
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:58:39 GMT

> Brice Dowaliby writes:

> I'm one of those poor souls whose TV only gets one station (a PBS station
> where the only SF is Doctor Who), cable is not available in my area, and I
> can't afford a satellite dish, so I haven't seen any of the newer shows
>like Quantum Leap or Mann & Machine.

Sounds like a real advantage to me.  Less things to waste time on.

> While I understand the basic premise of QL, it sounds a little silly.

Totally. Completely.  And boring too.

> And yet the people who net about it seem really impressed.

Well, the read David Brin too, so what can you say?

> Given the general level of conversation about it (most of the fans seem like
> reasonably intelligent folks), I wonder what the attraction is.

So do I.  Have tried _many_ times to watch it, but find even the losing, boring
Red Sox easier to take than this.

>Can someone explain to me, please, what it is about QL that inspires such
> loyalty?  The basic concept seems pretty straight-forward and not all that
> exciting.  Is it the acting, the plots, the characterizations, or what?

I suppose I would like to know that too.  Of course, the same could be said
about many other stupid shows people seem to like.  How else can you explain
the popularity of Green Acres, even after 20 years, or most of today's
silly talk shows?
From: lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu (lopresti robert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Babylon 5
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:11:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Jul21.181125.3739
Organization: Western Washington University


July 13 issue of Broadcasting had previews of two new series: Babylon 5
and Time Trax, both being produced by Warner.  My understanding is that
TT is a definite but B5 is only committed to a pilot, due in time for the
Feb sweeps.

B5 is the brainchild of J. Michael Strazynski, former story editor for the
new Twilight Zone and he firmly denies any connection to the new
Star Trek Deep Space 9 series, which bears a strong resemblance in
description.  JMS says he started working on B5 5 years ago.

B5 is being filmed strictly in HOllywood studios, and will not
use the models that space shows have depended on.  The space station will be
entirely a computer-generation.  (I mean outside views, not the sets of 
course).  

B5 is set on its namesake, a five mile space station which is home to 
ambassadors from five species, including human.  The station commander is
a human ex-fighter pilot.

My only comment:  Didn't they mean Babel 5?
From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Time Tunnel episode needed
Date: 23 Jul 1992 04:45:41 -0500
Organization: The SMOF-BBS: Science Fiction Online Since 1985 [512-467-7317]
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  I remember that part of the show, the one where Tony drops in on the Time
Tunnels past. All I can remeber is that the furture time tunnel transfered
them both before Doug drove too far away from Tony. I think the show when
on to some other story line from there.
  It looks like that was just a way of filling in the hour time slot.
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From: sll28@cc.usu.edu (LORNA_PAYNE)
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Subject: B7:  Servalan
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:27:41 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

If we don't get some Blake's 7 traffic on here again I think I'm gonna 
go nuts!

Okay, you are all saying;  you want to talk about B7, you start a thread.
So I will.

chevron (?) posted an excellent article some time back on Avon's ethos.  
What about the moral/ethical codes of the other characters?

Servalan is easy:  she doesn't have one.  Her motivations are three:
ambition, safety, and pleasure, in that order.  I once said that Servalan
would sleep with anybody, which isn't quite true.  She will however do
anything that will fit in with her aims.  

1)  Ambition.  Is there anybody out there who doesn't think that she
slept her way to the top?  I'm not saying that she isn't a good tactician
and strategist, but we've seen lots who were better--Jarvik for one.  A
big part of climbing the ladder is getting to know the right people and
getting into the right position for advancement.  (pun not entirely 
unintentional)  Unfortunately, we don't see much of this because by
the time we meet Servalan, she's already Supreme Commander, so there's not
a long way up still to go.  

2)  Safety. (i.e., consolidating your holdings)  Time and time again we
see Servalan use her wiles to get something she wants:  information from
the Clone Masters, Travis' loyalty (this is stronger with Travis I than with
Travis II), and so forth.  I would give more examples, but I don't have
immediate access to tapes.  She even tries to get Avon to change sides.

3)  Pleasure.  If aims 1 and 2 have been met for the time being, Servalan
has no qualms about amusing herself.  Example 1:  Jarvik.  Servalan knew
perfectly well that nothing she could do would swing him to her side, but
things were going well, so why not?  Example 2:  the Council.  She just
loves making this high-ranked civilians jump.  Example 3:  her palace.

Further input, argument etc. welcome, as well as postings about other
characters.

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