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From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: Hindu Refugees
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:27:10 GMT

>>Religion is the science to understand
>>spirituality. 
>
>And Science, as a methodology, is grounded in the continuous evolution
>of competing theories for explaining any and every phenomenon. Even
>the basic axiom of empiricism has been accepted or discarded, depending
>upon the times and the preferences of many a physical "scientists."
>
Religion to us is ONE truth expressed by MANY prophets depending upon
the condition and capability of the listners. Bahaullah has revealed
it according to the capability and condition of the modern day listners.
The poor communication systems necessiated prophets in parallel in different
religions earlier. There's no need for this in the modern day. In fact
Muhammad anticipated this when he said my religion is the MIDDLE religion
preparing the way for the grand unification what the Bahai Faith does. So
have said all the prophets including Krishna, Buddha and Jesus.



>>What place does a creed have here?
>
>If a "creed" implies to you a belief fixed for eternity, then you are
>right. However, a belief with the acceptance of the possibility of a better 
>explanation being discovered is also a "creed" and a must for the
>thinking process to proceed. Not to offend you or anyone else, the teachings
>of Bahaullah may be relevant today but tomorrow's society's needs may
>be better served by the theory propounded by a new reformer.

Exactly; we do not claim any finality; we believe in continuous evolution
Instead of arguing with me try to read some of the books like KItab-i-Iqan
(Book of certitude); you have much more exposition to religion than me, I
think and you will catch what I am trying to say in no time.
>
>
>>Arindam>
From: banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Calcutta: Degrading social and political life.
Date: 24 Jul 1992 16:03:32 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu

In article <SHUBU.92Jul23175739@oporto.cs.utexas.edu> shubu@cs.utexas.edu (Shubhendu Sekhar Mukherjee) writes:

>If Aditi is basing her judgment on what happened in the past, aren't you 
>too Mr. Chatterjee?  What you are saying about Cong(I) is when they were in
>power a long time back.  What guarantee do you have that Cong(I) is not 
>going to do the same NOW if they are back in power?  What guarantee do you 
>that a Cong(I) activist (well, you can't call them cadres, can you?) 
>won't rape my neighbor's sister?  What gurantee do you have that these
>hooligans won't change color and work for Cong(I)?  I have seen a million
>times party workers changing over to the party rising to power.
>

Mr.Mukherjee these are all hypothetical questions. I or for that matter
anybody else cannot give you an answer, one way or the other and I dont
even want to try.

What you are saying may come to pass and then again it may not. We will not
know unless we try. As Abraham Lincoln once said "people deserve the Govt. 
they get". Just like we deserve the corrupt CPIM Govt. now for having
done nothing to throw them out of power, maybe if your scenario comes true,
we will deserve the hooligans in a Cong(I) Govt. It probably  will make
a statement about the current state of our society and people.
But the bottom line is, we will never know unless we get there.

And what other choices apart from the Cong (I) do we have? The BJP-RSS
nexus in a state with a huge minority population like ours? I dont think so.
And you still wonder why I choose the Cong(I)? Do we really have a choice?


In politics, just like in everything else, it always come down to voting
for the least offensive party or candidate. At least that's what I believe.
And considering the CPIM 's track record, any party could do just as well.
They cannot do any worse than what the CPIM is doing in West Bengal and 
an improvement to the track record of the last 15 years would be an 
achievement.


Samit



>Luck!
>-Shubu
>
>P.S.: The above is not to suggest that I support any particular political 
>      party.
>
>
>
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From: khalid@bu-bio.bu.edu (Rasheed A. Khalid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Lawyers !!
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:47:08 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Biology Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <8ePgr1K00VAwMKeEQn@andrew.cmu.edu> ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta) writes:
>
>
>The latest Economist gives these figures for lawyers/100,000 population.
>
>At the top of the list is Pakistan ! (508.4 lawyers/100,000 pop.)
>Singapore comes in second (396)
>US third (312)
>Japan is 16th (101.6)
>India is 32nd with 34.4.
>
>-arun

Thanks for the info.
This does not necessarily indicate high literacy, but lopsidedness towards
a profession that does not directly relate with national progress and
civilization.  Whereas having enough lawyers does indicate a positive
trend, it is not the only trade in which one should excel.

There could be several explanations for this *pleasant* surprise:

* Pakistan is a place where filing lawsuits against others in land or other,
affairs is a favorite passtime of the people, creating the need or utility
of such professionals.

* In Pakistan, getting the L.L.B. degree is one of the easiest things to
accomplish in education while remaining in a professional field (one can
simply pass the exam privately, without having attended an institution.

* The economic condition of Pakistan is not such that other professions
can be adopted as easily as this one, such as medicine or engineering.

* Pakistan has genuinely made progress in a field that is important in any
civilized society, and should be credited for its achievement.

I hope the last one is the case.

However, if the poet Akbar Allah Abadi were alive today, he would not
be very happy.  He has well composed:

	"PAIDA HUWAY WAKEEL TO IBLEES NAY KAHAA:
	 LO AAJ HAM BHEE SAAHIBAY AULAAD HO GA-AY"

	( "When lawyers were created, Iblees (Satan) said:
	 'this day have I been blessed with offspring' "

Regards,
Rasheed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: Hindu Refugees
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:32:53 GMT

>  The example of the East African Asians should have served as a warning, but
>most of them had British passports, and few wanted to come to India. But since
>then, Britain has altered its citizenship laws. Many fear that should an extrem
>ist Black regime in South Africa start persecuting the Asians, people of Indian
>origin will have nowhere else to go except for the mother country. Already,
>there are fears of an exodus from Fiji, where Indians get an increasingly
>worse deal.
>
Just an interesting comment by Indira Gandhi, when she toured Africa as a young
girl in 1930s I think[Ref: My truth ,Indira Gandhi for correct details]
She snatched the mike from in a party organized for her father and spoke out
on the need for the Indians to support the balck movement; much to the
discomfort of the Indian organizers. She told:
This country is going to be ruled by the blacks one day and your children are
going to pay if you are not helping them now.
                                          


>  What makes the current situation unique is that the discrimination comes from
>a single source: growing dislike of Hindus as a religious rather than an ethnic
>group.....
>
>   Today, the Sikhs and the Punjabi Hindus form part of the same ethnic group -
>it is only religion that divides them. And the same is true of Bengali Hindus
>and Muslims.
>
>   It is an unfamiliar role for Hindus to play. And unless the balance is
>restored, the danger of a violent backlash will remain.
>
>*************************************************************************
> Dinesh Agrawal......

As I always say there's only two solution.
1. Abolish religion all together which is not possible as there's truth behind
it.
2.Unify all religion in a single whole. There has been only ONE religion
all the time in the history.
Take your pick.
Arindam
From: rs@sys.uea.ac.uk (CHE Guest News Login)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: PUTTING YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS:  SBI VS "DESHI SERVICE"
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:18:51 GMT
Organization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK.

I fully agree with you, that whatever money we save for our parents, families ,
etc., must be sent through a Bank. If people are not interested in SBI due to 
their inefficiency, then it will be an good option to send through some other
Foreign bank, like bank of America or citibank, which give Market Value of 
Dollar or Pound, as compared to 60:40 value in India.
So that increases your savings and the foreign exchange reserves of India as 
well.
Any more people thinking like two of us or any other opinions are welcome.

But do you have any idea, what will be the status of these FCNR or NRE accounts,
once you become resident in India.

Rakesh
From: slhrk@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Ticket to India : Info Please
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:21:45 GMT
Organization: Utah State University

Hi, 
I am planning to go to India in December this year. I would really appreciate
any information about travel agents who would give me the best deals possible.
I am not particular about airlines, routes etc. 

Please email me at slhrk@cc.usu.edu.

Thanks in advance.
Satin.
From: gnreddy@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (G.Narotham Reddy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Indian sleuth says Mossad trained more than 100 detectives
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:38:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1992Jul24.153828.6079
Organization: AT&T


Yesterday, I spoke to an Indian sleuth, stationed here in New York about 
our RAW men (hundred as reported by News India) getting trained by 
Mossad. He said, I can safely multiply this figure by a factor of atleast 
10.  However, he declined to answer why such trained detectives need
to return to India via a third country. Any clues ??

I cannot disclose his whereabouts.

Regards,

Narotham
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: inde788@Rosie.UH.EDU (Ashish Parikh)
Subject: Address for GRE, TOEFL in India
Reply-To: inde788@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:52:56 GMT

I need the address of the institute in Allahabad which conducts TOEFL
and GRE examinations.
If you know that address please email that to:
	inde788@jetson.uh.edu

Thanks in advance

	Ashish

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From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Lawyers !!
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:25:25 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <8ePgr1K00VAwMKeEQn@andrew.cmu.edu> ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta) writes:
>
>
>The latest Economist gives these figures for lawyers/100,000 population.
>
>At the top of the list is Pakistan ! (508.4 lawyers/100,000 pop.)

It shows our high degree of literacy, our keenly logical minds,
a high degree of respect for the law and an accute sense of justice.

And oh, :-)

j n a
QUIT
d oh, :-)

j n a
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: shubu@cs.utexas.edu (Shubhendu Sekhar Mukherjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: West Bengal: Communists out, ? in
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:34:00 GMT
	<1992Jul24.010418.24973@menudo.uh.edu>,<25JUL199216152185@vax2.concordia.ca>
	<1992Jul26.231947.4273@menudo.uh.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Austin, CS Dept.
NNTP-Posting-Host: oporto.cs.utexas.edu
In-reply-to: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU's message of Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:19:47 GMT

>>>>> In article <1992Jul26.231947.4273@menudo.uh.edu>, mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh) writes:
AG> Nntp-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu

AG> In article <25JUL199216152185@vax2.concordia.ca>, debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.010418.24973@menudo.uh.edu>, mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes...
>>........ (stuff deleted) ......The progress of humanity is a straight line.
>                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> GEE !!!! I thought that it was a geodesic !!!!!!
>
>>Calcutta of the 50s: where people die of hunger in the streets.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> As if CPI(M) has eradicated beggars now ! Yeah ! They have introduced raping
> of Calcutta women on their new interpretation of Marx. This was not in the
> city in 1950's. As far why CPI(M) came, read my posting no 2.
>
>>Arindam
>
> - deb chatterjee
>(a good samaritan)
AG> I did not say CPIM eradicated beggars; but social conditions have improved
AG> so that much worse writers (no disrespect intended) like Sunil Ganguly or
AG> Samaresh Majumdar (They are certainly great as measured against the
AG> contemporaries) can have frequent trips to USA! 

Hold on.  Do you mean to say that the rich became richer and the poor 
poorer?  Or you mean to say that talent is getting respected with monetary 
rewards which wasn't the norm previously?  I still don't understand how 
Sunil Ganguly and Samaresh Majumdar's US trips serve as indices to improvement
of social conditions.  My father also made a trip to USA in 1959 on a 
scholarship from the Government of India.  So?  What does it prove?  

Try coming up with better examples.

Luck!
-Shubu



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From: kannan@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Kannan Subramanian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Apple, Anyone?
Date: 29 Jul 92 05:14:49 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523


Boy, these fierce New Yorkers! Don't give an inch, do they? :->

rgm4@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Raghuram G Murtugudde) writes:

> I am sure this was a light-hearted attempt at story telling and an ok one 
> at that. But a couple of points. 
>
> Why did you get "snared" somewhere ? I don't think any gates get locked 
> as you are making a phone call. Some gates have been locked up for a long
> time due to some ghastly incidents in alleyways.

Well, I didn't make this one up. Apparently some gates on the far end of Penn
Station are opened only briefly to ease the Amtrak rush and shut soon after. 
My problem was - I was unaware of this and kept looking for an exit through 
which I was sure the crowd had vanished. Nothing serious, except that there
wasn't a soul in sight which seemed very bizarre at the time in a public 
subway station. 

> You couldn't have walked 15 miles from south street sea port to central park
> because Manhattan itself is only 12 miles long and a couple of miles wide
> at the widest point.

You're probably right, though we meandered a lot and backtracked some from
Central Park. Manhattan doesn't even look two miles wide from the top of 
Empire State, so I'll buy your argument.  

> I am glad you had fun otherwise. Next time call me. I will show you the
> big apple:-).
>
> Raghu

Thanks for the offer. Might just take you up on this one. :->

kannan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ngopalas@ha14.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy)
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony
Organization: The University of Alabama
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:29:57 GMT

In article <26JUL199217032359@rosie.uh.edu>, eleea48@rosie.uh.edu (Thomas, Thomas) writes:
|> It was a great shock to me to hear the NBC commentator describe India
|> during the opening ceremonies as a "poor nation, without synthetic playing
|> surfaces".
|> I know for a fact that in at least two places(Bangalore and Delhi),there
|> are synthetic playing surfaces.
|> If commentators of national networks make such obnoxious comments, where
|> does this leave us?
|> As  the Olympics Opening Ceremonies, is one of the most widely watched
|> events,this will surely leave a pathetic image of India in the eyes
|> of millions of American viewers. It also goes to show that people still
|> regard India as a poor underdeveloped nation.
|> I wonder when this will change ?

Sadly this is true. And this is not helped by those late-night child-relief
programs hosted by the likes of Alex Trebek etc. Frequently Indian children
are shown as starving, malnourished kids. Then the program goes on to ask 
the viewer what would they do if they were their kids, was it not their duty
to feed and clothe them? All this only propogates the myth of the white man's
burden. This impression leads to gross generalizations in other areas too.
Like for example claiming that all Indian technology is rudimentary etc etc
by some on this net itself. I have had trouble explaining to the Ed Crick
clones that we consider it bad manners to eat monkey brains for breakfast,
they are strictly meant for dinner only. Also, human sacrifices do not take
place every full moon, but are conducted only during solar eclipses. Why, if
we conducted sacrifices every full moon, our population would be half its
current level. And they don't realize, whenever we pass the beef section, it
is mandatory for us "Hindoos" to kneel and pray to the holy spirit of the cow.
People do not work back home because they are too immersed in their hobby
of snake-charming a la Vijay Amritraj in Octopussy.

But I have not given up hope. Someday, the western media will surely realize
their mistakes and set right their wrongdoings. Till then it is our duty
as Indian citizens to kneel with a vengeance at Winn Dixie and pray till 
the cows come home.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: latifn@microsoft.com (Latif Nathani)
Subject: need a contact at Stanford...
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:18:17 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: usa


Hi,
	I am interested in the business program at Stanford and
would like to know more about it from someone in that Dept. If
you are in the business dept. or know someone in there I would
like to correspond with them. your help is appreciated.


thanks in advance.


Latif
latifn@microsoft.com
From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Head & Shoulders - A Joke!
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:15:51 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Hello netters,

I carried a bottle of "Head&Shoulders" shampoo with me
during my last visit to India. A friend of mine was
surprised to see the label and said, " Americans are crazy or
what? They use shampoo for shoulders too!!??". I didn't know
what to say. However, this comment generated good laughter.

Any of you have had similar incidents?

---Sreehari.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vrg@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (v.r.gopala.rao)
Subject: Re: My Father Has Moved On and We Miss HIM terribly
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:28:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.144314@IASTATE.EDU> aluru@IASTATE.EDU (Srinivas Aluru) writes:
>It is natural to feel agony over one's father's death but I don't
>understand how it is a game of the `fate'.
>
>Well, if one leaves his parents in their old age to live in the US of A,
>it is quite possible that he won't be with them at times like this.
>Doesn't everybody who does it know it?
>
>-aluru

Well said. That is exactly what the poster needed at such
a sad time in his life.

rao
From: chakrsa@eng.auburn.edu (Sanjoy  Chakraborty)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: MEN of EASTERN origin
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:16:23 GMT
Reply-To: chakrsa@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering

In article 140951@daffy.mc.ti.com, a726226@daffy.mc.ti.com (savithri) writes:
>
>
>I just happened to scan this group out of idle curiosity.  From what I have seen,
>I am now more than certain that MEN from the EASTERN part of the world have something
>seriously lacking in their brain cells. (More than 98% - a figure I concluded from the
>number of scum bags I have met).  What is most surprising is even though they SEEM to
>be developed physically as humans, the majority of them are on the lowest rung on the
>mental level,  with their ego, narrow-mindedness, duplicity, male superiority complex
>(this is the subtlest of all among the so called educated) developed beyond and above
>the norm of other races.
>
>I am fully aware that I am going to be the target of several creatures from the creepy
>crawling species.  I will not retaliate or respond to scum bags.  The main purpose of
>this posting is targeted to women.  I think the best way to get at them is to IGNORE
>them.  INDIFFERENCE is the best way of dealing with irrational childish behavior.
>We can only hope that some day they will realise that all the misery and misfortune
>in the eastern parts of the world can be attributed to the unspeakable actions that
>the MEN subject their women to (this includes several of my relatives and neighbours
>that I have observed back in INDIA).  As it now stands INDIA and other similar cultures
>are doomed .  They MAY scientifically progress but that does not speak much for the
>humanitarian nature of a country.


ch! ch! ch! lonely at the top, is it ??? a good man is soooooo hard to find nowadays;
specially the sort papa likes (can't bring any riff-raff home now, can we ??); Mitzi 
the Doberman wouldn't approve !!

take it easy honey, and try not to pop a blood-vessel (that wouldn't be propah !)

sanjoy
From: sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Astro Turf surface and India
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:30:46 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

At last count India had seven artificial pitches and Pakistan seven as well. 
Having the goodies is not half the battle - it's how you use them. Pakistan
has had a good record in the eighties because, unlike in India's case, the
sports officialdom does not suppress talent - they have a sound hockey
programme. Argentina, with ONE artificial pitch, give a lot of teams tremendous
problems these days (Argentina beat India twice in the '86 World Cup). South
Korea has had a lot of investment in hockey in the period leading to the Seoul
Games. Today, they are not a factor in international hockey.
  All this talk about artificial turfs is a load of crap. There is no substitute
for talent (and strategy in today's game). The top teams have them. That's all
that matters. An ill-informed NBC commemtator can hardly be expected to have
 an understanding of this.

Sudhama
From: debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Correction
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:24:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


 In an earlier posting, I inadvertently wrote Surjeet Singh Barnala was the
member of CPI(M) politburo. The actual person is Harkishen Singh Surjit. I
regret the error.

 - deb chatterjee
(a good samaritan)
From: suraj@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (suraj rengarajan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Shortwave Radio: suggestions
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:56:49 GMT
Reply-To: suraj@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (suraj rengarajan)
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: suraj@doc.cc.utexas.edu


	I am interested in buying a shortwave radio. I would
	welcome suggestions on which brand/model to buy. I am
	looking for something that is not too expensive.

							suraj.

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