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From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Subject: Re: Doomed...Doomed...Doomed...
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: usa 
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:53:12 GMT

In <1992Nov8.030858.16020@oz.plymouth.edu> m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier) writes:

>In article <1992Nov5.065240.110578@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pnr0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL N. RITTER) writes:
>>In article <Bx76v6.Kt1@apollo.hp.com>, goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com (Alex Goykhman)
>>writes:
>>>In article <1992Nov4.043731.138233@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pnr0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (P
>>AUL N. RITTER) writes:
>>>...
>>>>you can't put the blame on a president for the MAJORITY of the problems in our
>>>>country when you have a strong Socialist governing body.
>>>
>>>    We need a president whom we can hold responsible for the country's
>>>    problems.  That is one of the reasons the voters sent Bush packing.
>>
>>   WRONG!!! If the Congress is screwing up the country, which they are, you
>>   blame the CONGRESS and send THEM packing.

>Ah, the truth.  Only one thing to add.  We've heard shouts of 'throw
>the bums out' and slogans such as 'change'.  Well, if its good to
>'change' the Republican White House, isn't it also good to 'change'
>the Congress, which has been controlled by the Democrats for 38 years.
>Hypocracy from the left.... what's now...

Obviously, the voters did not agree with you and only threw out a few
of the incumbents. Wonder what they knew that you do not?

>-- 
> Michael Le Houllier           *  John 3:16  * Nov 12, 1991 - Dili      
> (m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu.us) *  Remember: June 4, 1989 - Beijing
> Plymouth State Women's Soccer - #2 in the nation (Div. 3)  (15-0-2)
> Three wins from the national championship.  v. U MA Dartmouth  Sun.

REB
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: President Clinton's Cabinet
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:33:13 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

rjs@citi.umich.edu (Robert J. Skrobola) writes:

>Heard as a horrible rumor on talk show: Pat Schroeder - Secretary of Defense
A disaster if I ever heard of one, but this 'rumor' was started long ago
by people scared of a Clinton victory...it's not new.

 -Steve
--
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   Steve Adams        "Space-age cybernomad"       Fax:   (312) 329-3558
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From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Subject: Re: Anita Hill to Head EEOC
Reply-To: pajerek@kadsma.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:58:44 GMT

In article <1doptuINNc5r@rave.larc.nasa.gov> jcburt@gatsibm.larc.nasa.gov () writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.023120.2114@u.washington.edu> tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
>>In article <69.X666X@ramona.com> doug@ramona.com (Double Agent) writes:
>>>EEOC Commissioner. Note that the EEOC is the agency where Hill was working
>>>when she was sexually harassed by Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas,
>>>who was then the EEOC Commissioner.
>>
>>She offered no evidence that she was harassed by anyone.
>>
>>--Tim Smith
>
>In your opinion...
>
>John
>

Testimony is evidence.


Don Pajerek

Standard disclaimers apply.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: Stockdale is a Bumbling Idiot
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:45:27 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <JTURNER.92Nov7205744@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu> jturner@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Jeffrey Turner) writes:
]In article <1992Nov7.152731.15169@emr1.emr.ca> knguyen@emr1.emr.ca (Kim Nguyen) writes:
]
]> The Tet Offensive failed because there was no support from the populace
]> of South Vietnam; it meant that NLF burnt all their own men. Instead of
]> seeing things behind this event; peace activists told lie to the public
]> that it was an immoral war because it was a civil war. When being mentioned 
]> about this, the public started backing up; their conscience was not
]> behind a "immoral war".
]
]	There was no support from the populace of South Vietnam?
]C'mon, get of it.  John Stockwell, US CIA (retired) who was involved
]in covert operations there has testified otherwise.  If there was
]no popular support for the Viet Cong then what was the whole point
]of the strategic hamlets?  And why had the president of SV tried
]to negotiate a settlement 5 years earlier if it was simply a hostile
]invasion?

Clue: The NVA/NLF battle plans for Tet assumed that the populace, once
"liberated," would rise up and join the VC. When Tet occurred, no such
uprising occurred - ie, they go no support. That doesn't mean that
the VC did not have some support in some areas, but it was not strong.
That is why, after Tet, the NVA had to do almost all the fighting - the VC
were effectively wiped out in Tet and never regained their pre-Tet
strength.
]
]	The US and the ARVN LOST THE WAR.  Get off trying to
]prove otherwise.

I think he is trying to show that the popular myth of the war as
an insurgency is incorrect, and he is correct. It was an insurgency
before 1954, but by the time the US got involved it was subversion
and invasion. This doesn't change the fact that we lost the war,
but it certainly casts a shadow on the assertions of the anti-war
movement about the VC. It also shows what a terrible job the
media did in informing the public of the true facts of the Tet
Offensive.


-- 
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john@anasazi.com ncar!noao!asuvax!anasaz!john anasaz!john@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
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From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Interesting Word Connection
Followup-To: soc.singles,alt.sex
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:32:01 GMT

wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester) writes:
] In article <Bx9E3A.4p2@news.orst.edu> olsenm@ccmail.orst.edu (Monte Olsen) writes:
] 
] ]
] ]Monte
] ](War mongering baby killer and village burner that I am)
] 
] No. I doubt you are such a thing. But then people like Dave can't tell
] the difference between a soldier and a brigand. Pity, for enlightened
] folk, they really are blind in a few areas....


Did you know that the japanese word of the pirates 
who raided the chinese coast was:

wako

ciao
drieux

ps: coincidence, or conspiracy?


-- 
Modern Day Problems:
Hickory, Dickory, Dock - Three Mice Ran up a Clock
The Clock Struct one, 
and the Other Two will be Upgraded In the Next Release.
From: eiswirth@vixvax.mgi.com (Steve Eiswirth)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Thank you, Anita Hill
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:17:42 GMT
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

> ... some *women* were even more profoundly affected by the sight of
> Bush's Republican henchmen ridiculing and belittling the victim
> of Thomas's unwanted advances.

Yes, indeed, thank you Anita Hill, for bringing up unsubstantiated charges
against a guy, and playing your role as tortured underling facing a nasty 
barrage of "mistreatment" from a panel of fools, and for blantantly lying
about your intentions not to financially gain from your terrible ordeal
at the confirmation hearings.  Thanks, Anita, you did a great service to
women who have gone through harrassment in real life, as oppossed to your
little world of make believe.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: The US - laughing stock of the world
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:36:45 GMT
Reply-To: allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Distribution: world
Organization: USC Information Sciences Institute

ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard A. Mulac) writes:
> 
>   I can't believe it.  President-elect Bill Clinton's mistress, Gennifer
> Flowers, posing nude in this month's Penthouse. ...
> ... embarrass him by posing nude in a magazine

Why should he be embarassed?  If she was his mistress, he may be proud
that she qualifies for Penthouse.  If she wasn't, it's not an issue.

His sexual behavious is between he, his wife, and any mistresses he may
or may not have had and any lover's his wife may or may not have had.

> what kind of people will he pick to help him run the country
> using that same "judgment"?

Are you saying that only puritanical prudes are qualified to be president?

> ...  I just hope he doesn't turn the White House into a
> brothel like Kennedy did.  What a black eye on the United States of
> America.  Oh, the shame of it all!

The French presidency has a long history of scheduled 'meetings' between
the president and an escort.  Many countries are less worried about these
things than we are.  That is what we are to be ashamed of.

Dennis Allard
allard@isi.edu
===================================================================
U.S. law prohibits you and me from travelling to Cuba or trading
with people there.  The U.S. economic boycott of Cuba harms people.
===================================================================
From: allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Trickle Down Economics
Date: 8 Nov 92 02:41:45 GMT
Reply-To: allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Distribution: usa
Organization: USC Information Sciences Institute

> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
> >>> Hey folks, I have a question.  If trickle-down-economics is bad and 
> >>> doesn't create jobs...where the hell else can jobs come from?

I already listed several places jobs come from other than the rich
investing in themselves and in corporations.  But I left out the
most important other place:

From shifting the tax burden from the middle and low income people
back to the wealthy.  Why?  Because that is DEMAND SIDE ECONOMICS,
which, at the level of bullshit of this discussion, can be shown
to work as well or better than supply side.  After all, supply
side incentives are inefficient in that much of the tax breaks to
the rich are not used to investive in productive infrastructure, but
are instead used to purchase expensive foreign automobile, build
large extravegant mansions, etc.  (Those things either do not invest
in the U.S. or are do not increase productive infrastructure).
But giving more spending power to the masses, who currently get by
paying the rent and buying food, DOES create demand for products
which should, in principle, lead to companies expanding and creating
jobs.  (Of course, if all the people do is buy foreign built VCRs,
foreign economy cars, etc, then, well, hell, I'm a socialist and don't
believe that ANY kind of laissez faire government policy, per se, can
work.  But demand side has every much as reason to work as supply side,
and I would argue that it is preferable as it provides money to those
who need it most.

Dennis Allard
allard@isi.edu
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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,misc.legal
Subject: "Monsters Among Us", Frontlines, November 10, 1992, PBS
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:36:21 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA


This is a profoundly disturbing documentary about the failure of the
criminal justice system to lock up child molesters when given 
plenty of opportunity.  One of the "monsters" interviewed is on
Washington State's death row for kidnapping and murdering three
little boys.  During the interview, he listed all the occasions
when he was arrested for molesting children (all boys), and
attempted kidnapping.  In most cases, he was encouraged by the
authorities to get counselling for his problem, but no criminal
prosecutions resulted.  In one case, he told the prosecutor, who
informed the judge, that his reason for attemptiing a kidnapping
of a little boy was so he could rape and murder this boy.  The
judge sentenced him to the 118 days he had already served.

On another occasion, he was sentenced to 10 years, then released
after four months.  He is not all that unusual in Washington, if 
you believe the program.

A number of the molesters interviewed described their long
careers -- with hundreds of victims.  While it would be foolish
to attach any statistical significance to the interviewed
molesters, at least a third of those interviewed were primarily
or only interested in little boys -- they were clearly interested
in molesting one sex only, and were not limited to pre-pubescent
victims, either.

In any case, it demonstrates that the authorities, at least in
Washington, have not historically regarded homosexual child
molestation as a particularly serious crime at all.  This suggests
that the supposed preferential treatment for heterosexual
child molesters is nonsense.  It's hard to see how any lighter
"punishment" could have been awarded than was given to some of
these scum -- many of whom were interviewed in preparation for
release from prison, and who admitted that they hadn't gotten
past their desire for children.

The next time someone insists that the gay community can't
exclude NAMBLA from gay parades because it's a "free speech"
issue, remember who the gay community is implicitly saying are
OK people to associate with.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Racism is "class struggle" applied to ethnicity.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: tom@europa.lonestar.org (Tom Kimball)
Subject: Re: Clinton's plan our best and only hope for the future
Organization: Moria Mining Guild (BBS) -- Dallas, Texas, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:13:47 GMT

In article <7709@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>All this talk of Clinton and Congress working together frightens me no end. It

What about Reagan and Congress working together in 1981-1984?   Trippling the 
average budget deficit from the Carter years even manages to make Carter look 
good in comparison.  The high inflation of the Carter years were pretty bad 
at the time, but at least I'm not still paying a huge price today for it.


>means there will be no brake at all on a Congress run amok. We will see an

As was true from 1981-1984.  The Republicans controlled the Senate, and 
the Republican/Reagan-Democrat coalition controlled the House.


>orgy of taxing and spending the likes of which have not occurred since the
>days of the Great Society...and we all know what a bust that was.

If you don't like "tax and spend" (I don't either), you should be aware that
"borrow and spend" will cost you a LOT more taxes in the long run.  For 
"borrow and spend", we have Voodoo Economics to thank, not the Great Society.
If we misplace the blame for higher taxes it will be harder to determine
what the best solution is.

-- 
Tom Kimball  			tom@europa.lerctr.org    
tom@europa.lonestar.org		tom%europa@egsner.cirr.com
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: A TRUE LANDSLIDE
From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:53:42 EST
 <1992Nov11.212610.17421@b8.b8.ingr.com><92317.020003MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Nov12.162603.19456@uts.cc.wayne.edu>
Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy

In article <1992Nov12.162603.19456@uts.cc.wayne.edu>, tom@uts.cc.wayne.edu
(Thomas Richard Stevenson) says:

>Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>Had Perot not been in, Clinton STILL
>>would have won, 53-49. As H. Ross himself would say, "It's just that simple."
>                 ^^^^^
>The D.Q. school of math...

Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. No, wait a minute, it WASN'T my fault. It
was that kid with the flashcards. He must've been an operative for the Other
Party. :-)

>                        (I know, it was just a typo, but I did hit both
>sides).

Hmm, hitting both sides with one insult? Must be a Libertarian... :-)

 "But Dr. Radium, was that necessary?" "Rez, _everything_ I do is necessary."
[Your blood pressure just went up.]        Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
DISCLAIMER: If PSU knew I had opinions they'd probably try to charge me for it.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Fundamentalist Nightmare
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff & Nonsense Division
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:35:14 GMT

In article <13129@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>In article <1992Nov9.162210.17260@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, carlos@spanky.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Carlos Carrion) writes:
>
># 	Don't have to.
># 	There are people here in this newsgroup that find it acceptable
># 	to be sexually attracted to 11 year old girls...
>
>There are?  They are pretty depraved, aren't they?

They are.  Alt.sex is, in fact, proof positive that heterosexuality is
a dangerous mental disorder, and that children should not be exposed
to this pernicious influence.

-- 
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\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu / I use antlers in all of my decorating.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: george did it........!
Date: 7 Nov 92 02:37:49 EST
Reply-To: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Distribution: talk
Organization: Executive Networks Information

Quoth Gt6367c regarding GEORGE DID IT........! on 11-05-92:

G >I abandonned my party and voted for Andre Marrou.  I, like 
G >many other Republicans, am now afraid of what will happen to this part
G >party now that Bush has beat it into the ground.

As a former Democrat, and now a confirmed Social Libertarian, I hope that 
millions of people like you will join forces with those millions of us 
refugees from the Democratic Party, and turn the Libertarian Party into a 
force to be reckoned with in the 21st century.  Those who now control the 
Republican party are a bigger threat to American Constitutional Democracy 
than the Soviet Union ever was.  Only by banding together against Pats 
Robertson and Buchanan (and against the friendly fascists in the 
Democratic Party who would regulate us to death) can we save what is left 
of what the Founders gave us.



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From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Election Analysis
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:48:15 GMT
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Originator: rja@mahogany126


In article <1992Nov7.160710.5515@anasazi.com>, john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:
> Keywords: 
> 
> In article <1992Nov4.084729.9552@hemlock.cray.com> rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:
> ]If the economy shows more signs of life (>1% GDP growth)
> ]and unemployment goes down, Clinton will be re-elected in '96.
> 
> By that logic, Bush should have been reelected. The economy has been growing
> at >1% for 18 months, and unemployment has gone down the last couple
> of months.

I mean in terms of 4 years ago (as in are you better off...).

GDP grew .8% (average rate) over the 4 years.  The economy has been
slowly (off & on) growing.  Last quarter GDP reached the same level 
it was at in July 1990.
Unemployment went from 5.3% to 7.5%.

> ]Abortion is a non-issue.  About 10% of voters strongly care
> ]about the issue and they are about evenly split, so they
> ]cancel out each other.  Voters care about the economy, so
> 
> I'm not sure I believe this. The Republicans this time were tarred with
> wanting to "run people's lives" although it wasn't stated that way. I
> think the abortion issue was one of the main reasons, so it may have
> subtly influenced people who didn't say that abortion was their
> reason for voting against bush.

-- 
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------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
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From: greg@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu (Greg Trotter)
Subject: Re: Anita Hill to Head EEOC
Originator: usenet@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:52:53 GMT
Organization: Gallifrey - Home of the Timelords

In article <1992Nov11.074838.8909@nntp.uoregon.edu> eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson) writes:
>In article <BxJAAI.88H@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> greg@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu (Greg Trotter) writes:
>>
>>Rush's comment was along the lines of: "Since when are qualifications
>>important to people who support AFFIRMATIVE ACTION?!?"
>>
>>Great line. It turned me into a dittohead.
>>
>>P.S. You ever notice that companies will put EEO/AA on applications, ads,
>>etc.? Of course, this expands to mean "Equal Opportunity Employer/Affirmative
>>Action." Isn't this contradictory? If you have a quota system in place, it's
>>not equal opportunity.
>
>Spoken by a beneficiary of white male privilege. What you call a quota
>system is the only thing that has gotten people to even look at what are
>called "qualifications of merit" when they are displayed by white men.

Ooo. Bitter. Actually, I'm a beneficiary of white male and female privilige.
My parents made (and still do) exactly the same amount.

>As a woman who was on the leading edge of our exit from the pink-collar
>ghetto, I found affirmative action to be essential to having anyone look at
>my qualifications.  Before that, they didn't see beyond the fact that I
>wore a skirt and didn't stand over toilets.

Waitwaitwaitwaitwait. A quota system, *by definition*, has the inherent
ability to choose people by race/gender/etc. rather than by qualifications.

>I graduated with honors in 3 years from an undergraduate program
>emphasizing pre-law and speech/communications.  I applied for a number of
>jobs for which these are excellent degrees.  In the first, the Director of
>Personnel decided that the job he had open was "too good for a woman" so I
>was told there were no openings.  What he didn't know was that my father
>was friends with the man who had posted the opening.  The guy got chewed
>out, but I did not get interviewed--the job was filled by a male who had
>barely a C average in the 'gimmy' department of a local college.

I fully support legislation insuring Equal Opportunity. If something this
blatant happens, you should have a recourse. But, if that 'male' had
exactly the same qualifications as you, he should have a 50% chance of
getting the job. But that's not what happens under AA.

In fact, I know employers who participate in Affirmitave Action. They
tell me that when they have two equally qualified candidates, that they
*have* to go with the minority, even if the WASP male would not skewer the
proportions -- just to avoid a lawsuit from someone who lost a job on a
toss of the coin -- or merits, but who feels like they were discriminated
against.

					- greg
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