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From: hens@snipe.cray.com (Tom Stephens)
Subject: Re: Neophyte tent groundsheet question
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:51:25 CDT


In article <1992Oct6.220637.2288@tellab5.tellabs.com>, jcj@tellabs.com (jcj) writes:
> A beginner's question (apologies if there's an FAQ for this group):
> 
> What's the best way to keep dry when sleeping on the floor of
> a relatively cheap tent?  Most books suggest a plastic groundcloth 
> under the tent, but a few say that the nylon/cotton will wick up 
> water that might get trapped between the floor and groundcloth and 
> you should put the plastic inside on the floor.  A friend who used 
> to do Civil War reenactments says to lay down a layer of straw but 
> that's less than practical.  I have three (high density) pads but 
> they don't help if you roll off.  Consensus?  Thanks.


I use a plastic cloth *inside* the tent.  No problems yet.
--
---------------------------------
Tom Stephens
Corporate Computing and Networks, Chippewa Falls, WI
Cray Research Inc.  hens@cray.com
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.climbing
From: supervisor@thoth.ru.ac.za (System Admin)
Subject: Re: Integral Designs tents
Keywords: gore-tex tents
Organization: Rhodes University Journalism Department
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 07:47:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.081523.26917@leland.Stanford.EDU> tsutomu@drizzle.Stanford.EDU (Tsutomu Shimomura) writes:
>Xref: hippo rec.backcountry:4418 rec.climbing:2044
>Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.climbing
>Path: hippo!shrike.und.ac.za!psgrain!uunet!stanford.edu!leland.Stanford.EDU!drizzle.Stanford.EDU!tsutomu
>From: tsutomu@drizzle.Stanford.EDU (Tsutomu Shimomura)
>Subject: Integral Designs tents
>Message-ID: <1992Oct8.081523.26917@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>Keywords: gore-tex tents
>Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News)
>Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
>Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 08:15:23 GMT
>Lines: 10
>Does anyone have any experience with the single-wall Gore-Tex tents made
>by Integral Designs, Inc., of Calgary, Alberta, Canada?  I'm particularly
>interested in their MK series tents (2-3 person, 62-78 oz/1.8-2.2 kg), though
>experiences with any of their products would be appreciated.
>
>Please e-mail me any responses; I'll summarize and post the results if
>there's enough interest.
>
>---
>Tsutomu Shimomura	tsutomu@drizzle.stanford.edu
From: srp@babar.mmwb.ucsf.edu (Scott R. Presnell)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Backcountry in the Movies
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:23:28 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes:

>anymore ?

Black Robe.
Deliverance.
-- 

	- Scott Presnell (srp@cgl.ucsf.edu)
From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Backcountry in the Movies
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:17:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct16.161753.27145
Organization: Brandeis University

In article <1992Oct15.192500.936@colorado.edu> cas@bjerknes.colorado.edu (Cathy Smith) writes:
>In article <2ADCF533.26898@news.service.uci.edu> cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes:
>>
>>These are the few I can think of:
>>
>>	Gorilla in the mist
>>	Medicine Man
>>	K2
>>	Dances with Wolves
>>	....
>>
>>anymore ?
>	Shoot to Kill (Sidney Poitier, Tom Berenger and Kirstie Allie)
>	had a long backpacking segement (with a deranged killer in the
>	group). It was set in the Selkirks (I think) but filmed in BC.
>
>-- 
>cas@noaacrd.colorado.edu


"2001: A Space Odyssey"
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: bonn@networx.com (David Bonn)
Subject: Re: more bad reports on MSR filter
Organization: NetWorx
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:58:13 GMT

I too made the mistake of purchasing an MSR water filter.  A friend and I tried
to use it on a six-week backpacking trip in the Sierras.  It was significantly
clogged after eight days (this probably represented something like sixty
gallons of water) and was hopelessly clogged to the point of utter uselessness
after another ten days (we started using iodine for some water after eight
days, so this probably represented another forty gallons).  This was filtering
clear, silt-free water.

At Mammoth Lakes, we tried to purchase a replacement for the paper filter (we
had determined experimentally that it was the problem).  No luck.  We finally
phone-ordered one from MSR, using Jim's credit card number, and asked them to
mail it general delivery to Tuolomne Meadows, where we would be in four days.

In Tuolomne Meadows, there was our big box of food, but no paper filter waiting
for us.  We called MSR, and the person we talked to had no knowledge of our
order, and there were no records of it in MSR's computers (should have known
better than to trust hi-tech).  The MSR person told us we might be able to buy
a replacement in Sacremento or Reno, but the nearest car we had was a topless
Yugo in Tahoe City.  We decided to wait another day to see if, despite what
we had heard, the replacement filter would show up.  No luck.  We used iodine
tablets for the remaining sixteen days of the trip (where the water was
disgustingly polluted by horses and cows).

Both Jim and I got sicker during a week of raging parties in Tahoe than we ever
did on the trail, but that's another story.

After I got back I headed out into the North Cascades for a week or so of fun.
About a mile down the trail I came to a big creek with a high and tippy
footlog.  I climbed down and waded into the creek, stuck my head full-on into
the freezing water, and swallowed a few gallons.  It was good to be back.

Last Friday Jim and I went out and drank beers.  He told me that he had a $42
charge on his VISA from (you guessed it!) MSR.  They now claim that they sent
the replacement filter to Tuolomne Meadows (honest).  So I guess there is a
replacement paper filter in the Tuolomne Meadows post office.

Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: lytle@noao.edu (Dyer Lytle  CCS)
Subject: Re: Ruby Mts. (Nevada) Trip Report
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:21:17 GMT



Thanks Andy,

Fun story, much more interesting than most of the stuff lately on
this group!

 -Dyer


-- 
Dyer Lytle, National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, 602-323-4136
Internet: lytle@noao.edu        SPAN: NOAO::LYTLE (NOAO=5355) 
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: damouth@wrc.xerox.com (David E. Damouth)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Encountering contraband in the backcou
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:52:41 GMT
Reply-To: damouth@wrc.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Webster Research Center

Adding to the list of things to talke about on dark nights in the middle of nowhere:

In about 1962 (not all that long ago - I'd already taken my first canoe trip by then),  a couple of experienced students on a canoe trip down a river in northern Ontario disappeared permanently.  This would have been unremarkable, except that a careful search of their route turned up absolutely nothing. And when a float plane or train drops you at the headwaters of a particular river,  it isn't likely that the route will change.  It is presumed that indigenous indians scavenged the equipment.  The question










 is whether the scavenging happened before or after they died.  The river was, I think one of the several that runs northeast, ending in James or Hudson Bay.  The story is kept fresh in the outdoor clubs in Ann Arbor - perhaps someone there will fill in some detail.

---
/Dave
David E. Damouth
Xerox Webster Research Center
damouth@wrc.xerox.com
voice: 716-422-3186
fax: 716-265-7133
From: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Subject: LL Bean 1-800 #
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Reply-To: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Distribution: usa 
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:12:19 GMT


Does anybody has the 1-800-number of LL Bean.  I heard that it is
quite a good mail order store. Experience with LL Bean is welcome.
Thanks.

Kelvin
From: dyurman@igc.apc.org (Dan Yurman)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Bear bells
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:10:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Oct3.030236.7056@netcom.com:-95427049:cdp:1449600041:000:479
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dyurman    Oct  8 06:10:00 1992


Rangers at Yellowstone and Grand Teton national parks continue
to STRONGLY recommend bear bells.  Reindeer type bells for
these animals or horses drawing sleighs are readily available
at many camping supply stores in Idaho and Wyoming.

We use them.

--------------------------------------------------------
Dan Yurman dyurman@igc.apc.org  dyurman%igc.org@stanford
PO Box 1569 Idaho Falls ID 83403 USA 112W01 43N28 -7 GMT
Chance favors only the prepared mind   --  Louis Pasteur
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: Tim Dudley <dudley.chi@xerox.com>
Subject: Baucus bill vote results
X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Oct 92 11:39:42 GMT
Organization: bnr
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:37:57 GMT

Someone recently asked for the results of the Baucus bill vote.  I
finally have them, but it's too long to post, so if anyone wants them,
let me know and I'll e-mail it to them.  

Please send request to me at:   dudley.chi@xerox.com

Tim
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: jnchan@nyx.cs.du.edu (James W.Y.F. Chan)
Subject: Re: Gregory Backpacks
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 05:24:23 GMT

caulton@oregon.uoregon.edu (Dave Caulton) writes:

>I have an opportunity to buy a Gregory internal fram backpack, 
>cheap.  I'm looking for something to take skiing for overnight
>trips.  Any opinions on Gregory?  Are the packs nice?  Does anyone
>have any models they recommend for my needs?

>Dave Caulton
>University of Oregon

My roommate just bought a Gregory Pallisade Plus 2 weeks ago.
He has a small build so he decided to purchase the medium size
pack which has a capacity of about 60 litres.  
I had the opportunity to try one of those packs on at the store.
I have to admit it was a very comfortable.  However I find the
size of the pack is a bit narrow for my gear (I tend to hike alone and
I pack quite a bit of stuff....).
Nevertheless, my roommate and I hiked Killarney Provincial Park last
week and he never complained about his pack.  It is well constructed
and I highly recommend it.  You might also want to consider Lowe Packs
which is what I have (Contour IV).

*james*


--
James W.Y.F. Chan
Department of Environmental Biology, U. of Guelph, Guelph, Ontario, Canada 
EMAIL: evbchan@VM.UoGuelph.CA or jnchan@Nyx.cs.du.EDU
From: millere@frith.msu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: making your own
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:33:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering
Originator: millere@frith.egr.msu.edu


Does anyone know of any plans which are available which
tells you how to make your own gear? (e.g. tents, panniers, shells)
and how to obtain the specialized clotH?
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Bear bells
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:44:27 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.
Originator: news@auspex-gw.Auspex.COM

In article <1992Oct3.030236.7056@netcom.com> kehoe@netcom.com (Thomas David Kehoe) writes:
>For the last 15 years I've had a small but loud cowbell
>hanging from my backpack to warn bears of my presence.
>I lost the bell this summer, and can't find another one.
>Available bells seem to be too small (quiet) or big (heavy).
 
Oh great.  It's bad enough that I have to hear the bells of a dozen cows 
in the nearby canyon.  Why don't you just get one of those air horns and
blow it every 15 seconds.

>BTW, I've never seen another backpacker with bear bells.

I wonder why. 

-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
+==========================================================================+
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: chappell@willy.uchicago.edu (Chappell)
Subject: Re: Coyotes (was Re: Wolves)
Organization: Department of Statistics
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:14:45 GMT


stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>New Mexico?  California is full of coyotes.  I encounter them jogging in the
>Stanford and L.A. foothills on a monthly basis.

I didn't know coyotes jogged; I thought they just loped.

Speaking of, Mark Twain described an encounter between a coyote and a dog
in _Roughin It_.  I won't summarize the description; I couldn't do it justice.
M.T. was as witty an observer of canine behavior as of human.

At any rate, though coyotes have a nice howl, they are just great at
being quiet at night.  When I was camping in S. Padre Island, TX, we
would only hear very distant howls at night - but in the morning, there
would be tracks all over.  I think the only reason I didn't notice
tracks more often when campling elsewhere was the lack of sand.

A previous writer mentioned coyotes tracking and killing deer.  I'm no
expert, but this doesn't seem possible.  If I were your typical
mule-tail deer, and saw several coyotes tracking me, I would have a good
giggle and sharpen my hooves.

In Malibu, they are reputed to prey on cats.  An admirable niche.


Rick.

--------------------------------
Rick Chappell <> Asst. Professor, Depts. of Statistics and Biostatistics
<> University of Wisconsin at Madison <> chappell@stat.wisc.edu
(608) 263-5572 / 262-2733 <> take logs
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Mark Sandrock)
Subject: Re: Identifying snakes
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:46:01 GMT

hall@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Hal F Lillywhite) writes:

>Sounds like you were wise to be cautious.  The basic rule is to
>leave a snake alone unless you know it is not venomous. ...

Reminds me of a story I heard recently from a guy who was on vacation
as a kid, (14 y/o maybe, I forget), saw a large snake someplace out
west, and started trying to catch it. He thought he was safe since
the snake had no rattles, and described how he had to keep darting
in and out with his hands to keep the snake from fleeing and also
to keep from getting bitten. He ended up catching the snake by the
head, and proudly showed it to some local who promptly informed him
that it was a rattlesnake that had had its rattles removed. The local
was pretty amused by the whole situation, and I could imagine that this
guy might have been tempted to toss it over to the other guy, but what
he said he did was to twirl the snake around and throw it as far as he
could away. But then we all know that 14-year olds are immortal... ;-)

Mark Sandrock
-- 
UIUC School of Chemical Sciences   "The leading rule for a man of every calling
155 Noyes Lab/505 S. Mathews Ave.   is diligence; never put off until tomorrow
Urbana, IL 61801 USA		    what you can do today." --A. Lincoln
Net: sandrock@aries.scs.uiuc.edu
From: akin@sgi.com (Allen Akin)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: more bad reports on MSR filter
Date: 7 Oct 1992 18:02:02 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: tuolumne.asd.sgi.com

In article <1992Oct6.195813.1715@networx.com> bonn@networx.com (David Bonn) writes:
| I too made the mistake of purchasing an MSR water filter. A friend and I tried
| to use it on a six-week backpacking trip in the Sierras.  It was significantly
| clogged after eight days (this probably represented something like sixty
| gallons of water) and was hopelessly clogged to the point of utter uselessness
| after another ten days (we started using iodine for some water after eight
| days, so this probably represented another forty gallons).  This was filtering
| clear, silt-free water.

Amazing.  I've used an MSR repeatedly this season, in the Sierra, with
none of the problems you describe.  Wonder what we're doing differently?

| After I got back I headed out into the North Cascades for a week or so of fun.
| About a mile down the trail I came to a big creek with a high and tippy
| footlog.  I climbed down and waded into the creek, stuck my head full-on into
| the freezing water, and swallowed a few gallons.  It was good to be back.

Back when I lived in the Seattle area (1982-1985) I heard of several people
contracting Giardia in the Cascades.  No place is likely to be untouched
for long.

Allen
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: jojo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Joanne Spetz)
Subject: Re: Sleeping bag advice/recommendation: LL Bean??
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 08:12:11 GMT

Pierre>>Speaking of bags - what are people's opinions of L L Bean down bags
Pierre>>(20 rated or 0 rated)?

Matthew>  I have heard that the 20 degree is in fact the North Face Blue 
Matthew> Kazoo with an LL Bean tag on it. Haven't seen the two side-by-side, 
Matthew> but they look very similar! (Dimensions are the same, too).

A salesman at the North Face Outlet in Palo Alto told me that a lot
of LL Bean's camping gear is North Face manufactured.  I think we were
talking about bags and tents that day.

Jo


-- 
Joanne Spetz				Economics Department
jojo@leland.stanford.edu		Stanford University, sunny CA

Political advice to Mr Bush:  "Dumpe Quayl"
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: jahn@guinness.Idbsu.EDU (Greg Jahn)
Subject: Re: Wolves and Bears
Reply-To: jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu
Organization: BSU - Data Center
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:09:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.091746.24364@hellgate.utah.edu>,
 allen%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Allen Sanderson) writes:
|>On a side note.  Last week I posted a comment about a man who was
|>killed by a sow grizly bear rightly fully protecting her cubs in
|>Glacier National Park.  The park is planning on killing the bears (the
|>sow and two cubs) because they had eaten part of the victim.  The
|>officals "believe" that now that the bears have tasten human meat
|>that they will be more agressive towards humans in the future.  I
|>personally find this thinking absurd as this was an isolated
|>incident.  Personally I am getting tired of every time a human
|>interfers with wildlife and gets hurt or killed that the animal is
|>concidered dangereous and is killed.  (Gee just think if we inacted
|>such an attitude towards other humans, next time some repeat offender
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>mugs grandma we go out and shoot them).   I would be much in favor of
|>them tagging the bears an monitoring their movements instead.  If
|>people agree or disagree I would suggest you call the park and voice
|>your views.  The parks number is 1-406-888-5441.
|>

Yea, I agree ... gotta watch out for those scientists.  Maybe it
would be more acceptible if they went out and captured them, put
them in pens for about 10 years, and then killed them by lethal
injection ... um, that's what we do to people, right? 

--
Greg Jahn Boise State Univ.|'I decided to just lie low and let events
/ jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu /|take their course. Maybe that's the way
/ dosjahn@idbsu.bitnet    /|the sheep think as they are led off to the
/ (208)385-3891.thephone  /|the slaughterhouse.' On marriage, Camilo Cela

Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Encountering contraband in the backcou
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:45:13 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   Thu, 8 Oct 1992 04:09:52 GMT
>FROM:   Stephen D. Grant <miles@ms.uky.edu>
>[....] it is quite common to find plots booby-traped and/or guarded.

The booby-trap idea is scarier to me personally than the prospect of 
meeting a contrabandist in person. What kind of booby-traps do these 
folks use? Anybody know of any incidents (hopefully outside the urban
legend category) in which hikers have fallen victim to such booby traps?

--Michael Smith
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:20:12 EDT
From: <RSWANSO@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Trips around DC

I am a student at The American University in Washington, DC and am in the
process of starting an Outdoor Club.  Does anyone know of any good trips
(weekend length) that are nearby that would be good for camping, hiking,
etc.?  I am also looking for a camp or something that has a high ropes
course and other team-building activities that would be good for a group
of college students.  Please post results or e-mail.  Thank you very much
for the assistance!!

Reid Swanson                 E-mail:  RSwanso@American.edu
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: chappell@willy.uchicago.edu (Chappell)
Subject: Re: Coyotes (was Re: Wolves)
Organization: Department of Statistics
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:12:17 GMT


In article <1992Oct6.170216.12384@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM
(Richard Ott
olini) writes:
>New Mexico?  California is full of coyotes.  I encounter them jogging
in the
>Stanford and L.A. foothills on a monthly basis.

I didn't know coyotes jogged; I thought they just loped.

Speaking of, Mark Twain described an encounter between a coyote and a dog
in _Roughin It_.  I won't summarize the description; I couldn't do it justice.
M.T. was as witty an observer of canine behavior as of human.

At any rate, though coyotes have a nice howl, they are just great at
being quiet at night.  When I was camping in S. Padre Island, TX, we
would only hear very distant howls at night - but in the morning, there
would be tracks all over.  I think the only reason I didn't notice
tracks more often when campling elsewhere was the lack of sand.

A previous writer mentioned coyotes tracking and killing deer.  I'm no
expert, but this doesn't seem possible.  If I were your typical
mule-tail deer, and saw several coyotes tracking me, I would have a good
giggle and sharpen my hooves.

In Malibu, they are reputed to prey on cats.  An admirable niche.


Rick.

--------------------------------
Rick Chappell <> Asst. Professor, Depts. of Statistics and Biostatistics
<> University of Wisconsin at Madison <> chappell@stat.wisc.edu
(608) 263-5572 / 262-2733 <> take logs
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: Perrin@max.Acadiau.ca (Louise Perrin)
Subject: Re: Helly Tek: Another Goretex Clone?
Followup-To: rec.backcountry
Organization: RRCNS
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:10:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.150658.2403@csc.ti.com>, czichon@psyche.csc.ti.com
(Cary Czichon) wrote:
> 
> 
> Does anyone know how Helly-Hansen's "Helly Tek" material compares with
> Goretex?  Is it a Goretex clone?  The shell I bought last year for my
> high altitude climbing clothing is made of Helly Tek.  I've only worn it
> in fairly clear weather above snow line (>16,000 feet).  I'm wondering how it
> would behave if it got really wet at that altitude.

I live in Nova Scotia, Canada where our weather can often change during the
day - sometimes more than once.  I have been wearing a Helly-Tech Jacket
for 3-4 years now in all types of weather - the only time I don't wear it
is when it is hot.  It works very much like Gore-Tex but the price is
better.  I prefer it because Helly-Hansen tends to make clothing for people
who work outdoors.  I don't worry that I am going to rip it, etc. as easily
as some others might.  I also have a pair of Helly-Tech pants. 

I have worn my Helly-Tech clothing in downpours and snowstorms. In the
winter  - my son and I wear our jackets with a sweater underneath when it's
cold. If it is really wet I might feel damp, but sometimes I think it is
more from condensation from exertion or too much clothing  rather than
leakage. 
I generally wear lifa, fleece and my helly-tech  so that if I do sweat,
then the moisture is wicked away from my skin.  That way I don't feel cold.

I wash and dry my jacket in the machine to keep it clean.  The only thing I
would do to improve it is to put a peak on the hood to keep the weather off
my glasses - I fix that by wearing a brimmed hat.

> 
> Cary Czichon
> czichon@csc.ti.com

Quilts are a way to give warm hugs to those you love when you can't be
there.