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From: duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard)
Subject: Re: is deb's diatribe dull?
Organization: /u1/duke/.organization
Date: 19 Dec 92 11:42:00


In article <SBATE.92Dec17115306@mary.atl.ge.com> sbate@atl.ge.com (Stephen) writes:

   Does your negative response to Duke serve any more purpose? Beside,
   Duke never said there was no value in Deb's postings, he just said
   they were dull. In fact, he said they gave him insight that there are
   "worse losers" than himself.

I was afraid this would happen when I wrote that line, but I wimped
out and didn't spend the extra time to write a clearer sentence.  
The "myself" was supposed to refer to sine, so it was intended to
further my cruel, pointless attack.

Sorry for the confusion.

--
Duke Robillard, DoD #0130, duke@osf.org
angst.motorcycles: "We may be doomed, but at least the adrenaline keeps us awake"
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: bena@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Ben Aveling)
Subject: Re: everything
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:10:38 GMT

King Mosher (machala@spdc.ti.com) wrote:

: Shall we add: watch Ice Station Zebra in the nude.

I dunno, the bit with all the chunks of ice sinking/falling on the sub
always gets me - I mean. heck, even that far north ice floats...

	Ben :-)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard)
Subject: Re: fuck the notion of *real* angst
Organization: /u1/duke/.organization
Date: 19 Dec 92 11:46:33


In article <1gum8qINNlp6@phakt.usc.edu> rhogan@phakt.usc.edu (Ron Hogan) writes:

   The idea that there is a real, intellectually based angst, which
   develops out of literary and philosophical movements, and which is
   somehow more authentic and pure an angst than one based on emotional
   dissatisfaction with the conditions of an individual's life...

   ...strikes me as elitist bullshit.

Certainly it's elitist.  It's not bullshit, though.  See, I'm working
from this premise that intellect is intrinsically superior to everything
else.  I have no objective justification for this; it's just a basic
premis.

   Qualtitative comparison of angst?
   Give me a fucking break.

   Not to invalidate Camus, Sartre, Dostoevsky, Beckett et al., but
   they aren't inherently purer in their angst than anybody on alt.angst
   who shares their frustration that (they're virgins/they hate their job/
   life sucks/fill in your angst) with us.

You're changing the definition of "angst" when you include the 
hate-their-jobs virgins.  I mean, feel free to change the definition,
but *recognize* that you're doing so. 

If I ran the netnews machine here, I'd start alt.angst.original,
and those of us you don't think being upset with the details of
your life is angst could go there.





--
Duke Robillard, DoD #0130, duke@osf.org
angst.motorcycles: "We may be doomed, but at least the adrenaline keeps us awake"
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: 'Nother typical angstful bastard
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:46:48 GMT

In article <gkTyVB3w165w@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> thespian@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Stephanie M. Clarkson) writes:
>re: Steve Okay going home to sleep...alone, of course...
>sigh...sleep....that's the thing you're supposed to do when it's dark 
>out, hmm?
 
Well, its worked in the past and at least it keeps me from having to
think about my situation....Just put on "Asleep" by The Smiths and
hide under the covers....

"Goodnight Ms. Refinements, goodnight Mr. Serious...sleep tight,
maybe you'll feel better in the morning"--Hard Harry 'Pump Up The Volume'

"....Don't try to wake me in the morning 'cause I will be gone"
--Steve
-- 
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sokay@cyclone.mitre.org
		"Your Mind....My Playground" ---me 
Xref: sparky alt.angst:4942 talk.bizarre:42535
From: sbate@atl.ge.com (Stephen)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Missing shared experiences (was: Depression)
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:56:13
Organization: ATL
	<1992Dec15.144044.19927@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> <jct.724463825@twink>
Reply-To: sbate@atl.ge.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: mary.atl.ge.com
In-reply-to: jct@mti.sgi.com's message of 15 Dec 92 23:57:05 GMT

In article <jct.724463825@twink> jct@mti.sgi.com (Chris Thomas) writes:
> For me, it's still continuing, and I'm consciously trying to associate
> with people who will drag me, kicking and screaming if necessary, out of
> the protective shells which still remain.
> 
> Basically a Good Thing, *but* -- returning to the original angst here --
> It's Just Not The Same.  Circular argument alert!!

Do you ever feel that by focussing so much on what's missing in your
past you are missing out on current opportunities for experiencing
life?

>>Perhaps they never tell it.
> 
> People in Western society *aren't* supposed to tell stories like this.
> It hurts BMW sales.

People in Western society *like* to hear stories like this. Look at the
popularity of the "Nerds" movies. Many people buy BMW-like automobiles
*because* of these stories (after all, they wouldn't want people to think
they might be a nerd, would they?). When they see a nerd, they say
"there, but for the grace of my BMW, go I". Of course, then they have
angst about not getting the leather seat option. Oh, well... :-)

--
Stephen
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: winkern@columbia.dsu.edu (NANCY MARIE WINKER)
Subject: Dorothy Parker
Organization: Dakota State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:45:26 GMT

Rsum
by Dorothy Parker

Razors pain you;
Rivers are damp;
Acids stain you;
And drugs cause cramp.
Guns aren't lawful;
Nooses give;
Gas smells awful;
You might as well live.

(1926)

Merry Christmas!
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: hexonxon@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mark Goldstein)
Subject: Re: -Bleep- Christmas
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:09:22 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <92344.093418IDMLH@ASUACAD.BITNET> <IDMLH@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>That is truly pathetic.  You obviously don't know or haven't experienced
>the "true" purpose of Christmas.  It's not the presents, the parties,
>the "time constraints."  It's being around people you love to celebrate
>the Christian holiday.  Or didn't you learn that in Sunday School?
>Give the rest of us a break.  I hate the crowds too...but I put up with
>them as best as I can - I go home and wrap the presents with care and
>with love because I know they're going to someone I care about on this
>the most joyful and loving holiday.  If you don't like Christmas...that's
>your problem, but don't blame it on the side effects of the holiday.

i never went to sunday school...
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard)
Subject: Re: self-defense
Organization: /u1/duke/.organization
Date: 19 Dec 92 11:30:01


In article <85512@ut-emx.uucp> llama@tramp.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:

   and finally, a note to duke: i've spent too much of my life being
   squashed by people whenever i said anything at all positive about
   myself. the article you responded to wasn't boastful or even all that
   self-congratulatory, and i'm not going to pretend to hate myself just
   to satisfy you that i'm being properly modest and aware of my place.

No, that's not it--I don't advocate false modesty.  It's just that if
you're gonna think you're good, you should actually be good.

   please put me in your kill file and fuck off.

You're right, of course, that's the correct thing to do.  Sorry.

--
Duke Robillard, DoD #0130, duke@osf.org
angst.motorcycles: "We may be doomed, but at least the adrenaline keeps us awake"
From: Bruce.Tindall@launchpad.unc.edu (Bruce Tindall)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: I feel weird
Date: 19 Dec 92 02:56:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Dec17.220355.28175@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan) writes:
>  And, yes, I value solitude tremendously, far more
>than most "normal" people.  It's just that I have quite enough of it.  This 
>city is a veritable gold mine of solitude.  

Oh nonsense.  Just this morning on NPR's Morning Edition there was a news
story about how Baltimore has the hottest polka scene in America.  
 
We all *do* know the angst poem about Baltimore by Countee Cullen
(early 20th century African American poet), don't we?  Then there's Poe.
And the movie "Tin Men".  And it's where most of Henrietta Lacks died.
Avenge the patriotic gore that stained the streets of.  O say can you see.
Odd place.

--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
Newsgroups: alt.angst,talk.bizarre
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: syrupy holiday movies (was: this may be angst, I think)
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:23:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.190829.8384@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> eric@Turing.ORG (Eric Prestemon) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.145508.15537@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>>NO!....NO!...NO!..NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
>>Death to Disco,Lava Lamps, [etc.]
>
>But, but...I thought Lava Lamps were cool again. I mean... all the cool
>people at UVA had them... so they must be, you know, normal, I guess.

But thats my point!!...they're coming back, along with those fucking stupid
little troll dolls and bellbottoms and every accursed thing the '70s ever
wrought. And its all the boomers fault too....I mean what gives guys?
--Didn't we just finish off this massive '60s revival thing in the '80s?
Does this mean we're going to be cursed with reliving the same 20 year
span in our cultural history over and over again until they kick off?
'Cause if each decade is culturally punctuated by what they want, you
gotta figure the next the thats up for the millenium is an '80s revival
craze(which was a '60s revival craze in itself).....
Just die already okay?---And take your 8-tracks with you...
Thanks,
---Steve
-- 
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sokay@cyclone.mitre.org
		"Your Mind....My Playground" ---me 
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan)
Subject: Re: I feel weird
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:03:55 GMT

bonk@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Lance Withee) writes:

>One thing in particular that has been frustrating for me is everyone's solutionsto my predicament.  "Go out to a cafe and talk to people!"  "Walk around down-
>town and talk to people!"  I don't know about the rest of the people in the 
>world, but I just can't do that.  Is it normal to be able to just cruise around
>and introduce yourself to people that you don't know and start up friendships
>with them?  I am truly puzzled by this.  I am a person that does need solitary
>time in her life to reflect, etc., but this is starting to really get to me.  

This is exactly what I was complaining about.  In fact, I enjoy
walking around in the city, but I don't fool myself into thinking I'm going
to meet anyone that way.  And, yes, I value solitude tremendously, far more
than most "normal" people.  It's just that I have quite enough of it.  This 
city is a veritable gold mine of solitude.  

If you really want to know, I don't think it *is* normal to be able to cruise
around introducing yourself to people, at least not in my experience.  Walk 
around downtown and talk to people?  No, walk around downtown and talk loudly 
to yourself.  You'd fit in a lot better doing *that*, I can tell you!  
Sometimes I think that's my destiny.  One of these days the conversation going 
on in my head is going to start coming out of my mouth, and I'm going to join 
my kindred spirits in the ranks of the Urban dispossessed.

--
Paul Callahan
callahan@cs.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson)
Newsgroups: alt.angst,alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Depression
Summary: Cheery Stuff...
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:40:54 GMT
Organization: The Eternal Order of Chaos

In article <lynn.921213154811@fusion.physics.auburn.edu> lynn@physics.auburn.edu (Owen P Lynn) writes:
>What I've always found to get me in a really good funk, is
>to just think about my life, and how utterly meaningless
>and empty the whole world is around me. Some of my favorite
>personal points to ponder:
>
>         1. I'm a lifeless geek.
>            a. I'm 20 and still a virgin
>            b. I've had only one date
>            c. My chances at meeting members of the opposite
>               sex can only go DOWN as time increases. A
>               graduate student who finds love? Shyeah,
>               and monkeys might fly outa my butt. And how
>               many professional scientists find love at the
>               workplace? NOT MANY.
>            d. For all intents and purposes, I am INVISIBLE
>               to members of the opposite sex.

	Hey, my first SO was a virgin 'til he was nearly 26yo.(Then he met
	me and had a _really_ fucked-up life -- but that's another story.)

>         2. The more we know about the universe, the more it
>            seems pointless.
>            a. everything outside of earth is extremely hostile
>               to human life.
>            b. 2nd law of thermodynamics
>            c. big bang
>            d. big crunch

	The more pointless it is, the less it matters what you do; therefore,
	being sponaneous and undirected isn't so bad (relative to the state
	of the universe).  I long for the chance to see the universe
	suck back in on itself and take this rotting blue marble with it.

>         3. Humans are incredibly selfish, greedy, stupid animals
>            with no long term memory, and no ability to think
>            about the future. Who cares what happens? We're all
>            going to be dead very soon, with respect to the universe,
>            and even geological history. We're just a flash in the
>            pan.

	Yep.  So you really shouldn't give a flying fuck about anything and
	live a totally hedonistic lifestyle... see, anything can be twisted
	around to be made into an asset (maybe I should have gone into
	creative accounting...)

>
>Hope that helps -- NOT
>
	At times like this, reading alt.destroy.the.earth makes me gleeful.
	My thoughts of destroying everything and beginning anew usually
	set me adrift on cashmere islands... then reality rears its ugly
	head and I go back to being depressed/suicidal.

	
				Psycho Kitten
-- 

Angela M. Watson / awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu /       [.sig under] 
Psycho Kitten   / zaphodb@brahms.udel.edu    /       [construction] 
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: moscoso@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Innocuous Punch)
Subject: Re: Books, please
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:37:56 GMT


[note: this was meant as mail, but it bounced...]

>The Bell Jar is a very good book, but it has nothing to do with 
>angst.  Plath suffered from simple clinical depression--just a
>chemical imbalance in the brain.  This isn't angst.  Angst has

Apart from the the autobiographical nature of the book, I don't think it's
as easy to say that "Plath suffered from chemical imbalances" and leave that
as that.  To follow the events of the book is to follow a sense of order in
Esther's reactions to her environment.  This is not simply a magnification
of trivial occurances in an autobiographical work. 

Plath is quoted as having intended to create a novel, not an autobiography,
and that alone (in my interpretation) speaks for more than simple brain-
chemistry.

>an intellectual basis, it's not just an illness .  Hesse, 
>Dostoevsky, people like that write about angst.

Pg. 120 of the Bantam Windstone paperback edition of
_The_Bell_Jar_...

>This is a common mistake on this group.

...

--
-ivan
From: dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas A. Dennis)
Subject: Re: the usual Ian Hunter syndrome
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:21:35 GMT

In <1gl61dINNh5g@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bs584@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeanne 
Leidy) writes:


>In a previous article, Paul Callahan says:

>>Scenes from the depths of my past:
>>
>>I'm holding this woman and hoping to death that maybe--just possibly--the 
>>welling excitement I feel isn't entirely one-sided.
>>
>>Then she says "I feel so... safe."
>>
>>Talk about breaking a spell.

>Why is this the kiss of death?  Trust is essential in a relationship,
>in my opinion.  If you're not threatening, you're not exciting?  

>I don't understand...

>I think there is a nice middle ground between brotherly and dangerous,
>you know?  I like to be attracted to guys with whom I feel safe.

Depends on the definition of "safe."  To some women that I have gone out with,
"safe" meant "not interested in sex whatsoever."  They had been victims of 
sexual abuse, and were somewhat dismayed to find out that, rather than being 
this sexless teddy bear, I responded to them as a sexual being, as well as a 
friend, classmate, what have you.  For my part, I had to ask myself just what 
kind of messages I had been putting across, or not putting across, as the case
may have been: neither threatening NOR exciting.

--
>---<

Tom Dennis                  | "I have seen all the works that are done
dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu  |    under the sun; and, behold, all is 
(217)384-2504               |      vanity and vexation of spirit."
From: thespian@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Stephanie M. Clarkson)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Dorothy Parker
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 01:40:26 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard) writes:

> 
> thespian@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Stephanie M. Clarkson) writes:
> 
>    winkern@columbia.dsu.edu (NANCY MARIE WINKER) writes:
> 
>    > Suicide
>    > by Dorothy Parker
>    
>    [deleted]
> 
>    danke, but that's been posted here several times already...that's why i 
>    refrained from throwing it at the nits who were talking about suicide as 
>    some grand and immortal purpose...
> 
> "immortal purpose"?  Well, what could be more immortal than death?  
> 
> Actually, I suspect you've heard the phrase "immoral purpose" but 
> didn't remember it clearly. 
> 
> Interesting use of the word "nit."  Do you mean it as an abbreviation
> of "nitwit"?  That's kinda wild, since "nitwit" is built from the
> real meaning of nit.
> 
> Why do I feel compelled to flame at people on alt.angst?
> 
> --
> Duke Robillard, DoD #0130, duke@osf.org

re: immoral purpose....
 
naahh.  'Nuf of that going around....referring to an immortal purpose of 
suicide was me, being ironic and sarcastic.  Thank you very much for 
understanding my attempt at a joke (snark).
 
re: "nit"
 
dunno...just a verbal abbreviation that seems to have transferred itself 
to my posts...
 
re: flaming angsters...
 
because somedays, with the posts around here, the options seem to be 
killing yourself (not always desirable), killing the poster (thus ending 
misery, but often difficult when the poster is more than 17 hours away), 
or flaming the hell out of someone just because.  Angst is self 
replicating...
 
 
Stephanie...
 
(happy, but I daren't tell anyone about it...)


    Stephanie M. Clarkson : thespian@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca         
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    What do you give the guy who  |  "Well, there are the usual           
    has nothing?                  |  things; flowers, chocolates,
     -- The wrong phone number.   |  promises you don't intend to
                                  |  keep."           - Cogsworth       
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: Weight loss
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:22:41 GMT

elliott-bruce@yale.edu (Bruce Elliott) writes:

>I know quite a number of people who when stressed or depressed tend to eat
>a lot and gain weight.  Such people are invariably displeased with their
>normal weight and become even more so when they gain weight.
>Why am I the other way around?  Last spring during finals time I lost five 
>pounds since I became nauseated after eating a few bites of food.  Last
>time I weighed myself I weighed myself, I was at 119 lbs, which is about
>ten pounds under my normal weight and fifteen under the "ideal" weight
>for my height, gender, and body frame.
>Is it just me or do other skinny people get more so under stress?
>Is this more common among men that women?  (It seems that an underweight
>man is considered less attractive than an underweight woman.)

I've got a similar problem, I weigh 73kg, at 1.97m height :) I _should_
weigh about 90kg (hah! 5kg under normal weight! You're not _that_
skinny after all ;-). The reason for this is that I consider eating
a necessity, not something I want to do all the time.
Now, how to change that? Easy. I am in the process of doing that right now.
What I did was: I asked a friend to work out with me. Now I'm tiring my
"muscles" :) twice a week to a point where I can hardly stand up afterwards,
and that surely had a positive impact on my appetite :) Plus, it's utter fun.

Yours

Soenke-- 
===========================================================================
More than silver, more than gold, I need   !    behrenss@informatik.
electricity. I need it for my dreams.      !    tu-muenchen.de
(RACTER)                                   !  FIDO: 2:246/13 Soenke Behrens
From: llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Happy NNDGGS
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:42:15 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


 fsquared@eff.org (Fawn Fitter) writes:

: Incidentally, I'm going to spend Christmas at a friend's house (she's
: my mom's age and her kids are all over the country and we get along
: like sisters).  We're going to make homemade Irish Cream and drink it
: with coffee and get stinkin' drunk and play with her Tarot cards and
: admire her tree and eat sugary things, and then we will sing "Jingle
: Bells" until we fall over.  No stress.

too perfect. i envy you. <grin>

--
sine | deb
nothing to say, really.
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: machala@spdc.ti.com (King Mosher)
Subject: Re: Depression
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:00:55 GMT

llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:


>it's painful as hell, thinking you're a freak because you've never had
>a relationship. but it can be just as painful thinking you're a freak
>because your relationships never work out, or just mindlessly pursuing
>relationships so you can feel okay about yourself. my approach has
>become to just live, and if i meet interesting, intriguing people to
>get to know them as people, not as potential bedmates. 

This is my approach also. It appears to be much less stressful than trying
to hustle up a date. Hitting the bars when I can. I just wish my father
wouldn't call every week and say, "Dammit, you gotta find yersef another woman!
Go back to church, join the single's club. Ya ain't gonna find no good 
woman in a bar 'round here's." accent exagerated (sp?) but I got carried away.  
Anyway, trying to make stuff happen can work, but it can be a great source
of angst and quite self-destructive.

"Sometimes you just gotta say "What the fuck", and make your move.", though.
 
--
              Beer - It's not just for breakfast anymore.

Chuck Machala - Semiconductor Process and Design Center - Texas Instruments