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From: fogelinc@nmr1.Cyanamid.COM (Carl Fogelin)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: oily lanes
Date: 5 Jan 1993 22:38:18 GMT
Organization: American Cyanamid Company
Distribution: world
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In article 93Jan5134602@corgie.ece.cmu.edu, mgg@ece.cmu.cmu.edu (Martin Greenberg) writes:
>The red hammer (which I use) seems to work rather well on oily
>conditions unless you have lots of oil and a dry back end. 

I assume your not talking about a pearl-red hammer...  The one I got
I only use when I'm playing weekend warrior (you know, the ally's locked
away the oil until monday's league   ;-)  And as for an oily front, dry
back, there are days I wished I didn't throw a hook   >8-@

>seen success with the blue, burgundy, and black hammers, plus the
>purple Nitro.

I would have thought that a blue Nitro was more appropriate for oily lanes.
From what I've heard, the purple Nitro is appropriate in medium oil like
the Pro Rhino is.

Carl
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: antonp@delfin.com (Anton Pintar)
Subject: Re: splits...
Organization: Delfin Systems
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:12:24 GMT

SPLITS - yah gotta hate 'em!!!  I left the 1-2-4-6-10 TWICE and 
a pocket 7-10 (and some others) last Fri. night (this is my FBL
league too. :-( 

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From: locke@4ccvw54.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Purple Hammer Anyone?
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:59:34 GMT
Reply-To: locke@caesi.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke)
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

Howdy Bowlers!

I'm getting ready to get another ball (finally) thanks to a generous cash
gift at Christmas.  I've been wanting a purple hammer for a while now (for
various reasons).  Everytime I mention the ball I want to buy someone else
says "but you really should consider the X" where X = their favorite ball.

Here's what I plan to do:

1) Resurface & shine up my old Columbia Udot to use on Sahara-like
   conditions and for shooting the elusive 10-pin.

2) Get a purple hammer.

I'm currently averaging about 160 with just the Udot.  There are times
when the lanes are so dang dry that I can't keep the ball on the lane.

So what kind of reviews does the purple hammer get?  I hear it hooks
less than the blue, but more than the black.  I realize that a lot of
things can influence how a ball hooks... drilling, weights, the bowler,etc.

Any input from the net-heads is greatly appreciated.

Anne.

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|  Hughes Aircraft Company / Space and Communications Group |
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P.S. HBD to all January-born bowlers... my B-day is coming up too.

P.S. Again!  If you're still reading... Any women out there bowling the
     L.A. City or State tourneys??? If so, when? and who? Enquiring minds
     want to know.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:05:14 EST
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Adjusting??? What that is???

In article <93006.58698.L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>,
L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM says:
>
>  I am currently bowling in a league that scheduled  15 minutes after the
>lanes
>are soaked with oil.  Before 5pm, I have some really good (for me) games, but,
>after 5pm, I get to put into practise, the art of adjusting.

This reminds me of a "childhood" story.  A high school buddy and I used to
skip our last period study hall somewhat regularly when we were seniors and
we'd go bowling.  Remember now, I'm one of the "REAL" bowlers who scoffs (HA!)
at these imitation bowlers lugging around between 5 and 37 bowling balls; I've
carried only one bowling ball at any given time all my life.  Maybe if others
had my high school bowling experience they could adjust without changing
equipment too.  The time that we left school to bowl was always a little
sooner than the house would start oiling the lanes for that night's leagues.
Almost every time we bowled, we would need to pause for a moment somewhere
during our games to allow our pair to be oiled.  That's right; throw a few
shots, get all lined up, and then have your lanes oiled, and keep right on
bowling with the same hard plastic ball.  Yes, this is the true meaning of
adjusting to lane conditions.

There seems to be a lot of "one house" bowler talk going on here too.  Last
year I bowled two leagues a week in different houses (one synthetic and one
wood) with little difficulty.  I take my bowling ball with me sometimes when
I travel.  Last time I did this was at Showboat Lanes in Las Vegas.  I don't
know what the big deal is.  I grab my one bowling ball and throw it at them
pins and adjust 'til I can hit 'em.  It works the VERY SAME way at EVERY
house I've ever bowled in!
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: vince@paradyne.com (Vince Ciletti)
Subject: Re: finger spread
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:31:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.175339.2803@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov writes:
>I have gotten in the habit of using the spread of my first and little
>fingers to control the amount of rotation on the ball...
>
>Keeping the fingers close to my middle fingers gives me nice rotation,
>while spreading them further apart takes rotation off of the ball (real
>handy for that ten pin shot :-)
>
>Is this a common technique?  Does anyone else do this regularly?  Is
>this a bad habit I am developing?  Is this going to make my
>fingers/hand/forearm/shoulder fall off after five years?
>
>---
>Paul (Cliffy) Palmer

I'm not sure how common it is (anymore), but it *was* a common technique
when I was learning the game in the 70's.  

If you want to get maximum rotation, try spreading the index finger and 
keeping the pinky in.  This puts your hand in the best leverage position 
to impart rotation on the ball.  

Some people curl their pinky to keep it in, but you need to be careful
because it can put extra strain on the ring finger - I know it did for me.
If you think about it, it makes sense too.  Try to curl your pinky (without
the use of your other hand) while keeping your ring finger straight.  Your
ring finger wants to curl along with the pinky, right? Since I started 
experiencing pain in my ring finger, I assumed that was the reason, and
I started just keeping the pinky in close to the ring finger without 
curling it.  Some people will tape the pinky and ring finger together 
so they don't have to think about it during the swing (but this would
prevent you from spreading the pinky when you wanted to straighten the
shot out.)

As for your fingers/hand/forearm/shoulder, this should not cause any
problem, other than the strain on the ring finger I described IF you
curl your pinky.  A relaxed or "dropped" ring finger  drilling could be
used to cure this problem.

Good luck.

Vince
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Re: Happy birthday to me...happy birthday t
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:30:19 GMT

In article 1ihl8kINNcpk@hp-col.col.hp.com,  fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck) writes:
>aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
>> 
>> 
>> Subject line sez it all folks...I now as old as I feel... :-( ....
>> 
>
>This guy will do anything for some attention... sheesh....
>
>
>Hippo Birdie!!  (ya old fart!)
>
>
>Dave


Oh, wait a sec ... today's Thursday, isn't it?  It looks like Aki forgot
that some of his leaguers read this thing ... you *are* bowling tonight,
eh Aki?  You say you're ... 29 right?  Yeah, and that's when I'll believe
that 115 average of yours ...   :-)


Bob

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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Happy birthday to me...happy birthday t
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A772F585A1022631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 8 Jan 93 14:10:29 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:13:25 GMT

In article <MGG.93Jan7165648@corgie.ece.cmu.edu> Martin Greenberg,
mgg@ece.cmu.cmu.edu writes:
>Come to think of it, my dad's birthday was yesterday and he's
>currently recovering from a cracked bone in his middle finger. Said
>finger got cracked while attempting to wrest the Greenberg Family
>Bowling Crown (tm) from yours truly. Maybe the two of you can get
>together and have a good game of "Ain't It Awful".  :-)


Another Capricorn eh?  Stubborn, confident, self reliant and
DAMN good looking!  I like the guy already!  ;-)



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The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
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From: MAX@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark K. Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re:
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:22:44 GMT
 <1993Jan7.204418.14825@worldbank.org>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1993Jan7.204418.14825@worldbank.org>, aki
<aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> says:
>
>Yes, I've seen alot of true 200 plus bowlers frustrated with the
>current lane conditions, especially when they seen a "straight" bowler
>bowling with a ten year old plastic ball average 200 and they are
>only averaging 180 or 190 but what can we do?  If we get rid of
>the "true" 160-170 average bowlers, we have just killed the sport
>and just about every house in the world would go bankrupt.
>
>Oh well...off my soapbox...just my 2 cents worth...

Well, I'm glad you got down off that soapbox because I was about ready
to pull it out from under you!  The whining in this group has become amazing!
Earlier this week, a once-a-weeker whines about bowlers better than him being
allowed to enter the same tournament as him and take his $20.  Now a PBA pro
whines about a "straight" bowler being able to throw a 200 game with a 10
year old plastic ball when the "true 200" bowlers are struggling between 180
and 190 with the latest expensive high-tech equipment.  Just in case anyone
cares, I happened to throw a 250something with a 15 year old AMF Strikeline
(hard plastic) in July just before it got retired; and it only weighed 14 lbs!
The weight was why it got retired.

I think we've all lost track of something; the object of the game is to knock
over pins.  If they fall down you've done good; if they don't you've done bad!
It can't be any simpler!  I don't care that a pro bowler can lay down a shot
within microns of the same place exactly the same way time after time.
Especially if the result is that it lands in the gutter.  Mr. Ballard?

I can get lined up and throw ball after ball at whole racks and be sure to
always hit the ten pin (yes, sometimes the 6 and/or 9 will go too.)  Because
I have the skill and know where the shot is to get a ten pin should I be
considered a "real" good bowler even though I wouldn't break 100 if I bowled
a whole game this way?  Of course, not!  I should be considered a "real"
stupid bowler if I bowl a whole game that way!

I ask those "true 200" bowlers mentioned above struggling with their 185
game and a ProHook Extreme why didn't they use a plastic ball and throw it
straight down the lane and get their own 200 if they knew thats what the
conditions were?  I would think a "true 200" bowler would know when and how
to adjust.

Ok, who's turn on the soapbox is it now?
From: MAX@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark K. Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: What new innovation, software or products do you want to see?
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:50:35 GMT
Organization: Penn State University
To:   sehari at iastate.edu

Babak Sehari posts to every group in the world:
>
>What type of new innovation, software or products do you want to be
>introduced to the market place.  No answer is stupid.  The things
>that might be unachievable to you, might be very easy to produce
>by others.  You could become part of history by initiating the process of
>innovation.

I want to see more intuitive and interactive software for those automatic
bowling score keepers.  Fewer magic codes and sequences to correct all the
screw ups and add some good creative heckling for when someone is bowling
really bad.

Oh, something else I just thought of, would be an innovative new tool that
would be able to better determine where posts like this are appropriate and
where they are not appropriate more so than the boob-at-the-tube who
originally asked this stupid question.

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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: cwm54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: dry lanes
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:28:47 GMT


      I've been bowling for about a year and a half and am a 170-180

    bowler. When I first started throwing the hook I loved a dry lane

    for aesthetics (even if I didn't come close to the pocket). Now

    that I am a more serious bowler dry lanes are the bane of my existence.

    I have a blue nitro, a beast and a vector one. Sometimes I can't even

    get the vector in the brooklyn side, much less the other two balls. What

    do you guys do to adjust to extremely dry lanes?  I just threw a

    97 the other day and now I'm defeated before I start if I know the

    lane is dry. Sorry if I'm repeating an already asked question but I

    am new to this newsgroup and addicted to bowling.


       Also, what do you think of the Rhino pro (purple)?  Considering

    the aforementioned balls, will it add anything to my game or is it

    pretty much the same as the Nitro? What about the new Rhinos coming

    out? I thought I read in this newsgroup a price of 88$ for a teal

    Rhino. Are the new resin Rhinos better/worse than similar resins

    of other brands?

		       Thanks,

			    Carlyle
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul (Cliffy) Palmer)
Subject: How does he do it...I really want to know...
Reply-To: palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: New Technology, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:51:21 GMT


Aki seems to be a member of the ball of the month club (with or without
his wife's approval) and the only concession I can get from my wife
when I get a new ball is to go easy on the torture !!!

I have been really itching to try a reactive resin ball, any domestic
tactics would be greatly appreciated....

---
Paul (Cliffy) Palmer
New Technology, Inc.
700 Boulevard South, Suite 401
Huntsville, Alabama 35802
 
Internet:	palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov.
Telephone:	(205) 461-4569


Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: vince@paradyne.com (Vince Ciletti)
Subject: Re: To sanction or not to sanction
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:33:57 GMT

In article <1ikrltINNo46@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ak331@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry A. Jelinek) writes:
>
>To sanction or not to sanction, that is the question....
> 
>ABC has had various policies over the years to determine whether honor
>scores should be sanctioned or not.  The two I'm aware of have occurred 
>during the past 5-10 years. 
> 

Jerry, you're pretty close on both accounts, except for my comments
below.  I don't speak for ABC, but I do speak for my local association here 
in Clearwater, since I am a former lane inspector and currently the Association
President.

>HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE:
> 
>        Policy about 5 years ago (My interpretaion, not ABC's)
>            On the same night or following day of a honor score,  an
>            ABC representative must come out to inspect the lanes.
>            The ABC rep must inspect the lanes before anyone else bowls on 

  The lanes must be inspected after the competition is over.  For
example, if the honor score was bowled in the 6:15 league, the 9:00pm
league can still bowl.  

>            them for a honor score to be sanctioned.  If the rep determines
>            the lanes were not within spec, the score will not be sanctioned.
>            (Personal note - my brother LOST 2 300's due to this policy)
> 
>        Policy starting 2 years ago (Again my understanding)
>            All honor scores are automatically sanctioned subject to the
>            following rules:
>                 A ABC rep must inspect the house within 1 month of a
>                 honor score being bowled.  If the rep determines the house
>                 is not within ABC spec, any honor scores bowled will not
>                 be sanctioned.
>            (Personal note: I bowled my only 300 last year with this rule)
>        (If others understand the rules differently, please let use know)
>  [ remainder deleted]

This is not true.  The scores will count regardless.  The house will be
assessed "points" for putting out a non-conforming condition.  If the
house accumulates a certain amount of points during a certain period of
time (I forget how many, but if someone's interested, I'll look it up) they
will loose their ABC sanction. 

Also note, the house must be inspected within 1 month (BEFORE or AFTER)
of the score.  These inspections should be completely random and 
unannounced, so the house does not play games with the condition for the
inspections.

Our inspectors have set up a "schedule" between themselves to be sure
that lanes are inspected each month.  To date, I don't believe any house
in our area has been assessed points.  Initially, we worked with each
center so they could understand how much (how little :-) ) oil 3 units is.
There really isn't any reason to be non-conforming, since they can put
out a high scoring condition to keep their bowlers happy while remaining
within the System of Bowling guidelines.

Vince
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: vince@paradyne.com (Vince Ciletti)
Subject: Re: Foul Rules
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:29:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.143540.18050@iplmail.orl.mmc.com> steveg@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Steve Gabrilowitz) writes:
>
> [ comments about the original foul question deleted]
>
>Another hypothetical for the nit-pickers out there - if a player crosses the foul
>line during an aborted delivery and manages to hang onto the ball is that a foul?
>
>                            Steve Gabrilowitz
>                            Martin Marietta, Orlando Fl.
>                            steve-gabrilowitz@orl.mmc.com
>                            Fidonet 1:363/1701 (407-380-1701)


No, the rule states you have to deliver the ball for it to be a foul.

Vince

Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: (whine) I wanna hook like the guys do!
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A772F89347032631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 8 Jan 93 14:23:31 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:26:25 GMT

In article <jfk.726464191@ais.org> Jim Knight, jfk@ais.org writes:
>  Ever try anything a little more substantial than the Robbie Wrist Brace?
>  Maybe something like a Cobra or the like?


I've worked with alot of bowlers (both male and female) who have
problems with their release.  Actually, it's very common to release
to ball too early.  There are several things you can do that can help.

1.  Check to see what the pitch is on your thumb.  If you have
a reverse pitch or a zero pitch in your thumbhole, the thumb may
be coming out too early, thus forcing the ball off your hand
too early.  Take one of your bowling balls that you use regularly to
a local pro shop and ask them to check the pitch of the thumbhole.
You may be able to solve the entire problem by plugging the thumbhole
and redrilling it with more pitch so you can grip the ball better with
less effort.

2.  Your thumbhole may be too big, and hence a weak grip of the ball.
If your thumb feels "sloppy" in the thumbhole, use some bowlers tape
and see if your grip improves.

3.  If your wrist is weak, try some exercises to strengthen it.  Buy a
small one or two pound dumbell (kinda like the pink ones you see
for arobic classes....yeech), and while you are at work, rest the back of
your wrist on your lap and "curl" the weight up and down.  Also there
are devices called a grip strengthener you can buy at local proshops that
you squeeze that helps strengthen your grip.  Believe me, you don't
have to exercise long before you notice results!

4. Put away the .45, I HAD to bowl in one house when I was in the military,
hell, sometimes it was the only house around for 1500 miles!  Needless
to say, travel leagues were COMPLETELY out of the question!

;-)



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Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
*************************************************************
All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
*************************************************************
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:05:50 EST
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: 1993 musings & comments

In article <93005.56334.L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>,
L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM says:
>
>  Hi Guys & Gals & bowling-type-peoples!  I know I'm getting old, because
>I KNOW HOW TO KEEP SCORE!!!

Old???  Ha!  I can keep score, too, ya know!  And I didn't even see you
around anywhere when we were inventing dirt.  Don't start with me about
old!

>      But most of the 20 YO's don't know the first thing about keeping score,
>since the center I coach YABA, & bowl at has had computerized scorekeepers

Don't sweat the small stuff!  Even if they did know the first thing about
how to keep score it still wouldn't do 'em any good.  They CAN'T add!  I
love it at the end of the night when someone with a calculator decides
its their job to complete the league reporting sheet.  I'll sometimes
go look over their shoulder and tell them each series before they have
finished typing the three numbers to add.  You'd be amazed at the kind of
"voodoo" some people think this is.

>          Hope '93 means improved scores & lives...

Now there is a nice sentiment!