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From: RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: drug dog
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:31:13 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories


In article <1ids51INN6ec@flash.pax.tpa.com.au> anon.49@pax.tpa.com.au 
writes:

> 3)  Get word to ALF and ... (the rest deleted)

ALF... Animal Liberation Front? 

Oui? Non?

Rrrr


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From: cmcvey@loyola.edu (Chip 'El Z' McVey)
Subject: Good Morning America
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Organization: ALL - Amiga Lovers of Loyola
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:06:00 GMT

Did anybody else catch the piece on Good Morning America monday morning about
the Rave in New York?  They were racking on ecstacy... it was kinda beat.

I would like to manage to get up there sometime for one of those big jam
sessions... that would be pretty awesome!


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From: csc@pilot.njin.net (Sean Casey)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: The drug dog arrives at LHS
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:19:03 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Okay granted that lockers are school property. What if one has a
locked box in a locker? Surely they'd need a search warrant to open
it. One doesn't hang one's constitutional rights on the door when one
walks into a public school. I hope.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: 48 Hours with LSD
From: tomf+@cs.cmu.edu (Tom Fussell)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:47:19 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Keywords: LSD, congress
Summary: Stupid Supreme Court LSD ruling


midnite@milton.u.washington.edu (Midnite Wombat) wrote: 
 
>The other incredibly annoying fact is that they weigh the paper and claim 
>that as the actual drug weight, yet they still use the weight of LSD alone 
>to base the quantity on. A sheet of acid probably weighs around a gram (I'm 
>just making a random guess here, but it has to be close)..and using 100ug as 
>the dosage, that's 10,000 hits worth of acid. Yet, the sheet only contains 
>100 hits worth of LSD. I've known that they weighed the paper for a while, 
>but it still pisses me off. I wonder how this has gone on so long without 
>being overruled in court..it's just completely insane. 
> 
>--Midnite 

About two years ago this issue about LSD *was* taken to the 
Supreme Court.  The majority ruled that drugs are a danger to the 
American way of life and when congress wrote the law that way, 
that's the way congress meant it.   

I interpreted their argument to mean that congress can write any 
kind of drug law they want and the Supreme Court will consider it 
constitutional, i.e. they gave congress great power in writing 
harsh illegal drug laws.  Stupid and irrational is okay. 
 
The descenting (sp?) opinion went to a great length to point out 
absurdities in several different ways, similar to the question of 
dropping lsd in a swimming pool, should the state then weigh the 
whole pool? 

When the Supreme Court decided that case, my respect for the 
Supreme Court dropped to a new extreme low.  The people Reagan 
and Bush appointed really have a new agenda about the American 
Way of Life. (IMHO)  I wonder: what if congress made illegal 
drugs legal?  Would the Supreme Court consider that 
constitutional? 
 
I think I read about this case two years ago, that's about how 
long I have been reading alt.drugs, and everything I know about 
this case is from my memory of reading alt.drugs. 
 
Tom Fussell. 
 
Don't send me private email as I'll never receive it.  Only 
public comments please. 
 
 
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From: rollins@netcom.com (Peter D. Nesbitt)
Subject: books wanted
Keywords: books, mescaline, lsd, shrooms, hallucinagins
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:39:02 GMT

Do any of you have books relating to lsd, shrooms, peyote, Huxley, Leary, etc.,
that you would be willing to part with?

If so, I'd be willing to purchase them from you and pay for the postage.

Just trying to save a buck or two.

Thanks
From: sloth@hardy.u.washington.edu ()
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: 48 Hours
Date: 7 Jan 1993 07:02:48 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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Keywords: objective, better than expected

	Hmmm.  Overall, I'd say it was way better than I'd expected it to be
in terms of presenting an objective opinion, i.e. placing emphasis on LSD's
*not* damaging chromasomes, etc.  Worth staying up for...
.
@



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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: drugs/danger, what's the corollary?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:12:23 GMT

j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu (Joe Moody) writes:
: 
: Prohibition obviously failed. But during prohibition, the rate of
: alcoholism,
: drunk driving and health problems from alcohol shrunk considerably.

Did it? There were a lot of people who started drinking, because it was
now prohibited, and thus exciting. Also, many thousands died or were
permanently maimed by contaminated alcohol or wood alcohol.

: Now that it's legal again, alcohol abuse kills hundreds of thousands a year
: in
: our country (USA) alone. 

True, but then our population has probably grown about 10 times over, since
then. If the people who endangered others, by abusing alcohol and then driving
or assaulting someone were locked up - where they belong, then the number of
deaths due to alcohol would decline tremendously. If a person wants to commit
suicide by drinking themselves to death, that is their right.

: I am against prohibition and understand the harm being done by the war on
: drugs.
: But we must confront and acknowledge the "can of worms" we'd be opening by
: indescriminate legalization of life-altering chemicals
: for anyone-the-hell that feels doing them.

If they do not endanger others, then why should it be prohibited?

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: pjm9806@ucs.usl.edu (Mejia Pablo J)
Subject: Re: query re: drugs and us security cleara
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:50:20 GMT

In article <726311301.AA00104@ship.wimsey.bc.ca> Shadowfax@f729.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Shadowfax) writes:
>
> RR> From: RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson)
> RR> Organization: GTE Laboratories
>
> RR> At the induction center I admitted that, yes, I did try marijuana once, 
> RR> and that was it. The FBI's $20,000 Top Secret Clearance -out the window.
>
> RR> My career in crypto - gone. And the funny thing was that the guy who 
> RR> interviewed with the doctor right after me denied everything, gave all
>the
>


  When I underwent my clearance interview in 1980, I admitted to the use of
  everything that I had tried.  This included most rec.drugs except for the
  opiates.  I was cleared for a TS-SBI clearance, with limited crypto...

  When I was on active duty, we used to hide our hash inside of the CY-104
  Cryptographic multiplexers.  There were only 4 people on base cleared to
  look at the insides of that beast, and we all got high.  My CO was not 
  cleared for the cy-104.  If things would have gotten sticky (dogs alerting
  on  the crypto multiplexers) they would have had to bring in the CO from
  the Ramstein crypto unit to inspect our equipment.....

  Of course, the guys (crypto repairers) from the Ramstein unit used to
  run hash and opium across the Turkish border with diplomatic passports.
  (All crypto materiel has diplomatic privilges, and half their manuals
   and all their equipment was crypto-classified).


   Who says that security classification is worthless????


                            Allen    (not Pablo)
From: tscorbit@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS SAVAGE CORBITT)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Want info on HUFFING
Date: 12 Jan 93 05:36:55 GMT
Reply-To: tscorbit@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS SAVAGE CORBITT)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: tscorbit@c00736-239rd.eos.ncsu.edu


>
>YES Gas Huffer is still around. Their last album was on Empty
>records. I'm not sure who put out their new one.

>In the UK solvent abuse causes 10 times more deaths per year than
>blah blah blah
>carrier bag to the babies mouth - a common way of abusing many
>types of solvents in the uk (police surveilance photograph).

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whatever
I just answered the part about the band
it was not a FAQ on GAS HUFFING.

do what you like. it's your life.

mot
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: 48 Hours with LSD
From: kkruse@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Korey J. Kruse)
Date: 9 Jan 1993 10:11:23 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

kennedj@seq.uncwil.edu (kennedy j shane) writes:
>THe kid with the ten-year sentence was bullshit.  He'll never serve 
>over a year in our crowded prisions for a non-violent crime.  Sounded
>like a big scare to me.  The part about doing time for the weight
>of the paper you were busted with was kindof shitty also.  I know
>a dude who was selling it on sugar cubes.  He'd really get screwed.

I don't know about this.   I thought when people get busted by the
federal government and were slapped with ten-year minimums before any
chance of parole that this really happened.   This was not some measly
state court.  This kid was caught by the feds for interstate drug
trafficcing (sp?) and most likely will get everything he was promised.
i.e. the full ten years.

As a sidenote I also believe this is complete bullshit too.   Every
time the DEA or police or prosocutors are confronted with the insanity
of 10 year minimums for drug crimes when 1st degree murder criminals
usually spend only seven years in the pen, they say something stupid
like,  "You commit the crime...you serve the time...this is the message
we are trying to send out to drug pushers."    I realize this but I
just don't understand why the same rule doesn't apply to violent
murderers.
From: tovey@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Gadget)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LAUGHING GAS
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:54:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla) writes:

>>filled from a tank or collection of whipped cream cans.  Using 
>>it direct from the tank has the problem that the cold gas will 
>>freeze your lungs.  Using a mask could cause you to 

>This is very hypothetical. A friend of mine has sucked directly from a
>tank a zillion times with no problem. You just have to find a good touch
>to the valve and be careful - turning the knob is not to be done with
>"well yeah I'm gonna squeeze it good now" attitude.

What do you mean 'tank'? Do you mean a large (3') bottle, or the tank on
a soda syphon? I've only ever done nitrous through a syphon, but have done
that many times. I've altered a soda syphon (pulled out the guts, so you
can clean it out) to suit, and buying the bulbs from a supermarket is no
problem. To me, sucking the gas out of a can of cream sounds pretty messy!
Also, with practice, you get so you can take a bulb pretty easily with 
one breath, and subtlety with the valve becomes unneccesary.

>Human lungs are very small after all, and even if you froze your mouth
>it'd be ok again in a matter of seconds or tenths of seconds.

One mistake I made was trying to screw in the bulb with the valve held open
and my mouth on the syphon! It took about 15 seconds for my throat to
defrost during which I was in a bit of pain. Never again!

Nitrous is a great drug. It's cheap, it's quick, and it's legal (I think) :)
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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Ketamine <Fwd from daniel>
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Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 13:11:52 GMT


 Ketamine causing brain damage is a new one on me. MK-801, a subsatnce
pharmacologically (but not chemically) to Ketamine, is quite effective at
preventing sorts of brain damage caused by stroke and eschemia. More are
NMDA antagonists. NMDA toxicity can result in brain lesions. Could it be
that we have a our facts crossed? O
 On the subjective aspects of ketamine. In the Journal of Psychoactive
Drugs (I forget the exact reference), it was reported that ketamine, when
taken orally or intraveinously, than when taken intramuscularly. This
could be due to an initial metabolite or could be due to a sort of
retention in the muscle fat that sort of time-releases it. Ketamine is
certainly not a drug to be played with, especially not at raves where MDMA
is quite popular. 

St. Anthony

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From: honig@binky.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Subject: Re: rules for LSD (and stories about getting away with things)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Reply-To: honig@ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Organization: UC Disneyland, in the Kingdom of Bren
Date: 10 Jan 93 09:05:56 GMT

 gaspar@inf.ethz.ch (gaspo) writes:
>there are some that I've heard..
>
>?) don't forget how to burp
>?) only carry a house-key, some loose change, and your address in your shoe
>?) nobody can tell you are tripping till you tell them "I'm tripping".

[ Aside: IMHO the latter is very important to remember.  If you need to
explain aberrent behavior, fatigue, sickness, and drunkenness are all fairly
acceptable reasons in what passes for society these days. ]

There are more rules.  Of course there are, this is America.  People behind
store counters want that funny green paper in return for the
food/movietickets/firewood you want from them.  These people won't find the
whole situation as amusing as you do, and if they notice how amusing you
find it, they will be even less pleased.

The white zone if for loading and unloading only.

>and (what I consider most important)..
>
>?) no matter how fucked you think you are, you'll eventually come down.

Is this a feature or a bug? :-)

>I just wish the world was a more friendly place where standing on the
>street corner and just staring at things was acceptable.  You can do
>that in art-galleries and such, but it be nice in other places too.
>Nothin better than Saturday Morning Real Life Cartoons!

A friend of mine is an avid botanist.  When he first arrived in this
environment (S. Cal.), he would check out the plants growing in
ditches, road medians, etc.  Once he was doing this and a local cop
stopped and asked him what he was doing.  He reportedly got rid of the
cop by explaining (in his best english accent), "Why, just studying the
<latin name here>"...

Another time some associates were on their way out of a local state park,
and had paused to watch the (waves of) grass and mustard on the hills.
Along came a random, who, having observed us three staring intently at the
hill for some time, asked what we were looking at.  Just at that point a hawk
flew into sight, and I was able to spit out that we were watching it.

Conclusion: if you're going to stare at things, keep a fairly concrete
reason handy; don't go into the universal ornate lacework over everything.
A pocketlens might be useful, as can be a camera slung around one's neck.

Cheers,
--
David Honig

"Q: What does a C programmer say to an Ada(tm) programmer?
 A: I'll have a burger and fries, no onions."
From: hughes@gary.enet.dec.com (Gary Hughes - VMS Development)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: PDFA members
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:58:45 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions) writes...
>bt26+@andrew.cmu.edu (Bartley R. Troyan) writes:
> 
>>Anybody know offhand what companies are members of the "Partnership for a Drug
>>Free America"? A friend mentioned that it's probably beer companies and OTC
>>drug manufacturers, which would make sense--they'd rather you drink beer
>>and take aspirin than smoke pot--but I have no actual references for this.
>>Pointers to any info on the subject would be greatly appreciated.
> 

Most of the drug co.s have 'foundations' that contribute heavily to the PDFA.
The current head of PDFA was CEO of Johnson & Johnson and when he was appointed
to PDFA a large sum of money followed from the 'Johnson Foundation'. The others
rapidly fell in line.

In addition to the ref from Zack Sessions, a magazine called 'Social Justice'
devoted an issue late last year to the 'drug war'. Interesting articles with
LOTS of references.

gary
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Why Marines like LSD...
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:39:19 GMT

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

>malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
>: For that matter, the idea of anyone willing to commit to the military 
>: doing LSD sorta scares me.

>Why does it scare you? Do you believe that the drug automatically makes you
>a sadistic killer or some sort of maniac?

No, I think that I believe that LSD has a great capacity for people to 
make decisions and judgements based on impaired logic - to act and react 
without being fully responsible or even comprehending of your actions.
I find value in it's ability to offer one insights but I'm appalled by
it's abundant recreational use - I think it's a more powerful tool or
door than most people here seem to give it credit for, and the idea of
doing it just for kicks and fun is sacry to me in that I don't think a
lot of folks have the self-confidence and strength to not be at some
risk of fucking their lives up in stupidity. I think LSD should be used
not to look at pretty pictures but to look at yourself. 

I buy into Dr. Lilly's ideas on imprinting. I think you can come out of a
trip with thoughts, goals, patterns imprinted either consciously or un-
consciously that may strongly effect your life - and this newly imprinted
code might to have been writing with a fully functional compiler - your
brain might have misfired a bit and jumped past some logic that might
be relevant to your deciding, for example, to tune in and drop out and
move to Hawaii because the weather is nice there. I shouldn't imply 
that these are Lilly's ideas, these are my interpretations. 

Anyway, the military is enough of a brainwash to begin with, taking young 
maleable minds and instilling a bunch of crap and conformity instead of
letting them experience the world from the more open perspectives one
can gain from a college experience or a few years of "Real-Life" (TM)
in the so-called real world. Maybe dropping some acid will open up some
doors and ideas for some of the military folks and even cause some to 
re-evaluate what they're doing and change their paths. But the idea of
people tripping and having an arsenal on hand still frightens me a bit. 
Just like I feel driving through the crack zones of Oakland and the flatlands
of Berkeley near my house, watching the parka clad kids on the corners
armed to the teeth selling and using crack. Ok, I'm ranting, I'll stop now...

 - Malcolm  

"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious, of
being out of one's mind, is the condition of normal man. Society highly
values its normal man. It educates children to lose themselves and to
become absurd, and thus to be normal. Mormal men have killed perhaps
100,000,000 of their fellow man in the last fifty years..." 
                        - R.D. Laing, from _The Politics of Experience_ (196?)
 
"The way out is via the door. Why is it that no one will use this method?"
                                                       - Confucius
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From: an2509@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Dutch seed banks
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.drugs
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:15:12 GMT

Is it still possible to get cannabis seeds from the "Dutch seed banks" mentioned
in MJ literature?  And if so, how risky is it (do people get caught receiving
seeds in the mail).
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From: barksdaf@infonode.ingr.com (Alan F. Barksdale)
Subject: Re: Looking for info on abortifacents
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:04:50 GMT

In article <2387@hsdndev.UUCP> traite@eros.harvard.edu (Shirley Traite) writes:
>In article <C0Jpwv.L8L@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> dart@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan) writes:
>>
>>	I need any possible information about publicly available abortifacents
>>(miscarriage-inducing substances).  Both chemical and herbal substances are
[...]
>There are several herbs/ chemicals that in large enough doses will
>cause an abortion. Unfortunately, their use also carries the very real
>possiblity killing your wife as well especially if you  are not
[...]

Think of it as evolution in action.
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From: bx461@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Leo J. Mauler)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Why Marines don't like Qat...
Date: 4 Jan 1993 07:49:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Qat, Khat, Kat, Qhat, etc., is a leafy plant chewed for 
stimulant properties it has, much like Americans drink coffee 
for its stimulant properties (note that caffeine is not a 
drug, it is a "substance with drug-like qualities").
 
Coca is a leafy plant chewed for stimulant properties in South 
America, much like Americans drink coffee...[as above].
 
Maybe everyone who is coming down so hard on Qat, is expecting 
people to start turning Qat into a white powder and 
concentrate it into the next cocaine.  You've seen what 
paranoia can do: anything is possible!
 
<SARCASM ON>
Besides, it ain't coffee.  Them thar Somalians should be 
grateful to us for saving their miserable lives, enough to 
quit eating Qat and drink the American Drink: COFFEE!
<SARCASM OFF>
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