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From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: More Tense Horse...
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:17:41 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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Hi all,

I could use some encouragement with Morris.  I had a rather frustrating
experience today that I hope didn't completely undo several weeks worth
of work.  I'm also wondering what folks think is the best way to respond
to an episode of real panic is, especially during and immediately after
the panic.

In short, after a really encouraging ride, while walking on a long rein 
around the property, a noisy truck going too fast up the road where the
path goes closest to the road, scared Morris into a panic bolt.  We went
from completely relaxed on the buckle to dead gallop faster than I could
realize what was about to happen!  I was able to pull him up in about
a dozen strides, so I'm comfortable that I'll always be able to stop
him, but once I got him down to a walk, I took him back to where
the scare happened, and he just stood and trembled.  I tried to walk
him around a bit, but he showed no signs of relaxing, so I got off
and tried to encourage him to crop some grass, thinking that if I
could snap him out the panic mode, I could get back on without it
being a confrontation.  He still didn't really settle, though he finally
would take a few mouthfuls, then go back into camel-with-radar ears mode,
and tremble if anything seemed threatening.  Eventually I was getting
late for work, so I led him, jigging, to a quieter place further from
the road, got back on, and he was able to walk fairly quietly (if not actually
relaxed) back to the barn on a long rein.

I wonder if this was the right way to handle it.  I wonder to what extent
he'll be left with impressions of the bad part of the ride as opposed to 
the really good part of the ride earlier.  I wonder if he will always
tend to panic this severely or if he will eventually trust me enough
to be able to pull himself back together after a scare.  I am somewhat
encouraged by the fact that I was able to get him to walk back to the
barn...

Sigh.  I will just continue employing LOTS of patience...

    Debbie  (& Morris & Split)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lmgarret@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Linda M Garrett)
Subject: Appy gelding for sale
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:25:33 GMT

I'm posting this for a friend so any replies will be pass on to her.

For Sale:
1990 Gelding  Joker's Weed  Sire:  Superweed
                            Dam :  Joker's Bobbi B
Buckskin with a blanket over his rump and hips.
Shown western last year as a 2-year-old.  
Asking  $2500


In case you just read the name game post, yes he was used as a stud
last season and then gelded about April or May.
From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullys Maze)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: good thing we have guardian angels
Date: 25 Jan 1993 09:19:16 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Of all the people I ride with, I like to think I am the most safety
conscious.  This weekend, my friends and I took advantage of the
sunny weather to go out and ride (it had been about 4 weeks )
A friend of mine had just bought a new horse and we decided to take
him with the group and see how he did.  Now, we all feel this is the
worst time of the year to ride-the horses all frisky from the brisk
air, excited by the first good sunlight, and the footing not great.

Anyway, we had an exciting but safe ride, all the horses behaved
resonabley well.  When I got home I did a REALLY stupid thing.  I
had not bothered to hook the butt chain behind my mare. (first dumb
mistake)  My Miley trailer has two latches that swing across each
door and are secured by pins.  Without thinking, I pulled the pin
out the the top latch, the bent down to pull the pin out of the
bottom latch (I guess intending to pull back both latches at the
same time).  But as soon as I had the bottom one pulled back, my
mare just backed out, causing the top latch to fly back and hit me
square in the temple!  I guess my guardian angel was around that day
because though it really hurt and caused a huge goose egg, it was
high enough up not to knock me out.  So I guess I really got sence
knocked into me.  I guess you are never too old to be really
careful. And, I usually don't do it this way

I also stupidly tried to move our pony from one corral to the other.
 Just threw a lead rope around her neck.  She was prance and tried
to walk right into me so I bopped her with my free hand on the side
of the check.  She spun, yanked the rope out of my hand, and kicked
me behind the knee.  All my fault. (though I made her run on the
lunge line and obey me for a half hour!)
  Please, all of you, be careful!

Karen
From: dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: pinto vs. paint
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:22:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

In article <prescott.727480227@prussian14> prescott@rtsg.mot.com (Audrey Prescott) writes:
>Simple question, but I don't know the answer!  My sister-in-law asked the
>difference between a pinto and a paint.  What is the difference?  
>
>Thanks,
>
>Audrey Carroll
>

Audrey,

I learned the difference this past spring when I bought my 
beautiful pinto Belgian mares from a Paint horse breeder.
The difference is this - a Paint is a type of horse, just like
Arabs, TBs etc.  In order to be a registered Paint horse, a foal
must meet certain breeding/color qualifications.  Pinto is a color, 
like bay, chestnut or grey.  It's similar to the difference between 
the words Thoroughbred and pure-bred.  The first is a type of horse, the
second describes the horse.  Therefore all Paint horses are
pinto-colored, but not all pinto horses are Paints.  

Within the pinto color, there are several other terms used.
Overo and tobiano descibe the color pattern.  On tobiano,
the spots of color are generally smooth "edged", whereas
overos have very jagged edges.  It's hard to explain, you
really need to look at pictures to see the difference.  There
are also piebald and skewbald, which I believe describe the
color of the horse, with piebald being chestnut/white and
skewbald being black/white?

Marian Dabay
Clancy - chestnut Belgian gelding
Bunny - pinto Belgian mother-to-be (late February)
Millie - pinto Belgian mare
Budweiser - bay pony gelding



Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: SusanS@sunfish.ratsys.com (Susan Schlenger)
Subject: What & When
Organization: Rational Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:09:09 GMT

My two year old pony, Poet, has recently had his wolf teeth removed. (The 
vet said they were the largest he's seen on a pony), and is resting his 
mouth prior to working on the bit.  The vet also said that his joints have 
not completely locked; that it may be six months until he can bear weight 
happily.  He had already been backed, and was working at the walk and trot 
without a problem when we bought him.  His previous trainer, (a friend), has 
told me that he had no trouble bearing weight up to 145 pounds; and did it 
very straight. (Of course, I saw him ridden when I bought him, and he 
surely looked fine then...). Although I have no desire to rush him, (and 
spoil him!), I also want to be sure that I'm not, in some way, allowing him 
to get away with an attitude.  We do plan long lining, and gentle longeing. 
Any suggestions as to what I should look for in terms of his being able to 
bear weight?  There seems to be quite a controversy on this.  Welsh ponies 
are notoriously strong; could this be an act?
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: tara@wam.umd.edu (Tara)
Subject: Re: Racoons & dogs :-(
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:58:04 GMT

In article <1jrn20INNjc1@nigel.msen.com> dan@msen.com (Dan and Karen Sugalski) writes:
>
>Thanks to Ruth for letting me crosspost this.  Ruth also gave me a bit
>more information from the article.  Of those 787 cases of rabies in 1992
>in Connecticut, a dozen were in cats.  These numbers are only likely to go
>up.  Please remember to keep all of your pets vaccinated, including horses.
>

There was a case in Upper Marlboro (I can't remember if it was this past
year or the year before...I'd have to look it up in my local paper) of two
horses killing a rabid racoon.  The horses ended up fine.  The owners did
not realize that if they had a cut, etc, they were more likely to contract
rabies and therefore had to undergo the whole nine yards (shots).


             ,--, | University of Maryland Equestrian Association 
       _ ___/ /\| |
   ,;`( )__, )  ~ | Horses: Quaker, Bud, Playboy, Tommy, Casey, Darla
  //  //   '--;   | 	    Nehi, Dee & Vern
  '   \     |     | 
tara@wam.umd.edu  |
From: amandar@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Lost and Found:  Winter Wishes
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:58:35 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

Is there anyone out there from the East Coast, specifically Massachusetts?

I sold a horse a few years ago to someone from there and I was wondering
if any of you had seen him on the circuit.  His show name is Winter Wishes.
He's about 15.2, on a tall day, and a beautiful dappled grey.  He's an
Arab/Connemara cross and jumps with his knees wrapped around his ears.  
The young woman who bought him was about 13 at the time, around 4 years 
ago and her name was Margot.  She was born with only one arm and wears
a prostethis.(sp?)  The horse's barn name is Olliver and I'd love to hear
what's happened to him or where he is now...


Thanks!


Amanda Redwine
(317) 935-6236 -- call collect!!!!
amandar@yang.earlham.edu
amandar@earlham.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: prescott@rtsg.mot.com (Audrey Prescott)
Subject: cold weather riding
Summary: cold weather
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:17:33 GMT

I'll tell you how I (try) to keep warm and then relate a funny story!

First, silk long underwear, then jeans, and then chaps.
Turtle neck, heavy wool sweater, then my waxed cotton Barbour coat.
Now Barbour coats in the US are expensive, but I bought mine in England
where they make them and it was 1/2 the price as one here.  It is by 
far the warmest coat I own.  It just keeps that wind out.
Then a scarve, then those little ear muffs that fit under your helmet,
then my helmet.  Then thinsulate riding mittens.  Now getting on the 
horse is tricky since I can hardly move at this point!  Oh yea,
sock liners and wool socks.  To top it all off, I place either a wool
cooler or the wool quarter sheet across my legs and believe it or not
that helps more than anything else!

Now my story - Chicago area, snow is partially melted, still windy as 
everything (hard to believe they named it the windy city for its 
politians, it's so windy here!) and I took my mare out on a trail ride
on Sat.  She lives outside, but I have been taking her down to the local
hunter barn to steel the indoor arena due to footing lately.
Anyways, I thought, "why ride with my stirrups at jumping length?  I'll
just cramp my knees up in my hunt seat saddle and it's so cold anyways..."
So I dropped my stirrups 1 1/2 holes.  Don't forget I have the quarter sheet
draped across my legs also.  Well, the footing wasn't too bad because the
snow mobiles have been over it enough to clear the ground in some places.
We get to the 'gallop field'.   Now this field is not named so without
due reason!  It's a wide open field with nice trails all through it.  
Well Liz decides the footing is suitable, and so I allow her to break into
a nice canter.  Well, she bunches back on her haunches and takes off at
a major gallop, bucking all the way!  My only though was, if anyone
sees me out here, stirrups way too long, blanket wrapped around my legs
flapping all over the place, on a galloping, bucking hrose, they
are SERIOUSLY going to question my ability/sanity!  What the heck, it
sure was FUN!!  And Liz enjoyed it too!


Audrey and Liz, the grey mare
From: sysmatt@aix3090b.uky.edu (Matt Simpson)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Spooking and Liability
Keywords: liability
Date: 28 Jan 93 09:17:33 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Get out your insurance policy and read it. Most homeowner policies have a 
clause about pets .. it's usually intended for things like dogs biting people,
but it should cover horses. I know my parents insurance company bought a new
tire for one of their guests aftre a dog chewed a hole in it.
I don't know anyone who's ever tried to collect on a liability claim from
horse inflicted damage.
When I got my farm policy, which is basically just a beefed up homeowners
policy, I specifically asked the agent if it would cause damages caused by
horses. He said yes, and asked what kind they were. When I said TB, he balked
a little, and said the company didn't like insuring TBs because they were
crazy. I pointed out that these were not money-making horses, so if they were
really crazy I wouldn't keep them. He went along with that, and wrote into
the policy that it covered my horses used for pleasure purposes, or something
like that.
There's another potential problem with car-horse accidents. There's a clause
in my policy which says something to the effect that it doesn't cover claims
resulting from motor-vehicle accidents. That's pretty standard in home-owners
policies ... they don't want to be hooked for stuff that should be covered by
your car insurance. But it might be stretched to weasel their way out of
paying up if your horse damages a car. Look for a clause like that in your
policy, and see how loose the wording is. Also consider whether your company
is likely to follow the letter or the intent of the clause. My company 
continued to pay lawyers to defend me in a lawsuit even after the lawyers
pointed out several clauses that could have gotten them off the hook. One was
the motor-vehicle clause. I was sued because a jerk on a motorcycle ran into a 
truck that was about to pull out of my driveway. It wasn't my truck ... I didn'teven know the driver. But I was sued for having a "dangerous driveway." The
lawyers said the company wasn't liable because the accident involved motor
vehicles, which was specifically excluded in the policy. But the company,
being a fairly honorable one, decided that wasn't really the intent of that
clause.
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From: jscott@adobe.com (Joyce D. Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: pinto vs. paint
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:22:27 GMT
Followup-To: rec.equestrian
Distribution: na
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <11274@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>, dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay)
wrote:
[Lots of correct information about Paints and Pintos deleted...]
> 
> Within the pinto color, there are several other terms used.
> Overo and tobiano descibe the color pattern.  On tobiano,
> the spots of color are generally smooth "edged", whereas
> overos have very jagged edges.  It's hard to explain, you
> really need to look at pictures to see the difference.  There
> are also piebald and skewbald, which I believe describe the
> color of the horse, with piebald being chestnut/white and
> skewbald being black/white?
> 
I agree with all you say except that last sentence.  My information is that
piebald is black/white and skewbald is any other color/white.

> Marian Dabay
> Clancy - chestnut Belgian gelding
> Bunny - pinto Belgian mother-to-be (late February)
> Millie - pinto Belgian mare
> Budweiser - bay pony gelding

Joyce Scott
and Spiff who is a dun
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee Raines)
Subject: Re: The name game again
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:33:51 GMT

In article <C19EFE.8v4@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, lmgarret@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Linda M Garrett) writes:
|> Posting the note about the mares due dates, reminded me of the name
|> game that we played last year to name foals.  And while I'm thinking
|> about, I'll ask if anyone would like to help name Carol's foals this
|> year.  Of corse, there won't be any birth anouncements until Late Feb
|> to Late March.  Well here are the mare's, sire's , etc.
|> 
|> Barn name:  Brandy
|> Dam:  Miss Spanish Suzy (QH)   X    Sire:  Heza Sure Sign  (APPY)
|>       Bay                                  Sorrel with Blanket
|>   Dam  Robbie's Princess(QH)
|>   Sire Spanish Irish(QH)
|> 
|> Hoping for a reiner/cutter
|> 
|> Barn name:  Suzzie
|> Dam:  Sassabar Sioux (APPY)    X    Sire:   Joker's Weed(APPY)
|>       Bay w/ Blanket                        Buckskin w/ Blanket
|>  Dam  Sassafras Sue(APPY)             Dam  Joker's Bobbi B(APPY)
|>  Sire Surehand Bar(APPY)              Sire Superweed(APPY)
|> 
|> 
|> Barn name: Bobbi
|> Dam:  Joker's Bobbi B(Appy)    X     Sire:   Weed's Snow Chief(APPY)
|>       Leopard(Sorrel and white)              Leopard(Sorrel and white)
|>  Dam  Joker's Sundown(APPY)           Dam   ????
|>  Sire Navaho Dawn(APPY)               Sire  Superweed
|> 
|> Thanks,  and I'll be sure to post when we have some foal on the
|> ground.
|> 
|> Linda

Hi, Linda

That first baby will be a grandbaby of High Sign, yes?  I'm impressed.
(I saw High Sign in action a few years ago.)
Okay, here goes:
Spanish Sign
Sassy Weed
Butididntinhale

Sorry, that's as original as I get today.  (Nice bloodlines.  Superweed is
buckskin, isn't he?)

Mary Lee
Ravenswood Apps
From: pfau@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (lynn.r.pfau)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Readers' Bios
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:39:26 GMT
Organization: AT&T

This is a Great idea! Altho, the quantity has gotten me really
behind in my reading.

Anyway, my name is Lynn Pfau. I work for AT&T Bell Labs in
the Network Systems division - I've been here for 14 yrs and
have done software programming, systems engineering,
product management, pricing, etc.

I've also been a horse addict all my life - I firmly believe
that there's a horse "gene" lurking out there. I started to
ride as a child - my dad had horses in his early 20's - he
actually rode to strengthen a leg weakened by polio. He rode
in the Chicago area with a rather sleazy character named
Silas Jayne - you local people prob. recognize the name - the
Jayne family is still active in horses I believe.
Since my father knew how expensive horses could get, he would
pay for lessons, but never a horse. So I had to wait until
I got to college to get my first. I went to Purdue and rode
at Foxton Farm. While in my early 20's I had 2 TBs - one nice,
one nutty. 

I sold my second horse to build a house, help support my
husbands business (he owns a pharmacy), etc. So, I went 12
years without a horse. In that time I also had 2 children
ages 5 and 8. I took lessons on and off, but found it hard
to ride school horses after owning my own. About 4 years ago
I began to ride at Fox Meadow Farm in Naperville, Il and after
a year bought my current horse - a TB mare, soon to turn 7 yrs.
I now board my horse with Barb Ashbaugh, a hunter/jumper trainer.

I am primarily a hunter rider, but have taken a fair amount of
dressage (yes, I finally learned how to actually sit the canter!).
I love to ride cross country, but am too chicken to try eventing
(well, maybe I'll try a mini-event this year).
I am planning to show my horse on the B hunter circuit this year.
I also love to trail ride - I've been trailering to the area
forest preserves and having a great time - I've discovered
that my mare is almost bomb proof - much to my delight, since I
have hopes of passing her on to my children.

My mare has moon blindness, which we've been treating
daily (ie as a preventative) with a human eye drop that 
my husband came across - (along with the traditional treatment
of aspirin, which by itself didn't seem like enough).
Its really been working well - if anyone out there is interested
let me know.


Thats it - 

Lynn Pfau
AT&T
Naperville, Il
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: sand colic and psyllium
Date: 26 Jan 93 06:15:42 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


	While sand within a horse's gut and sand colic are mostly something
seen in dry climates where horses are stabled on dry (non-grassy) lots it
can be a problem for anyone who receives hay or other feeds grown and processed
in those areas.  For example a friend of mine decided to test the pellets she
used, she dissolved a handful of pellets in a jar water, shook it up and let
it settle and discovered that there was quite a lot of sand in the pellets.
From this example we can see that even if a horse is kept in pristine
conditions with a completely off-the-ground feeding system that the horse can
still acquire sand.  I have noticed that sometimes even the best quality hay
can have dirt clumps and small pebbles baled up with it.
	For these reasons I would give my horses psyllium regardless of 
whether they had been diagnosed with sand or not.


					Tracy and everybody
 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: dan@msen.com (Dan and Karen Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Racoons & dogs :-(
Date: 23 Jan 1993 15:08:34 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Dan and Karen Sugalski (dan@msen.com) wrote:
: [ Article crossposted from rec.pets.dogs ]
: [ Author was Ruth Ginzberg ]
: [ Posted on 20 Jan 93 15:39:46 EDT ]

Thanks to Ruth for letting me crosspost this.  Ruth also gave me a bit
more information from the article.  Of those 787 cases of rabies in 1992
in Connecticut, a dozen were in cats.  These numbers are only likely to go
up.  Please remember to keep all of your pets vaccinated, including horses.

Six years ago, I move to an area of Connecticut which had confirmed cases
of rabid bats.  On the recommendation of my new vet, I had my horses
vaccinated before we moved.  The vet who did the shots told me that my
guys were the first that he had done, but he expected it to be common in
the area by the mid '90's.  Horses are less likely to get into a tangle
with a rabid animal than a dog or cat, but it is possible.  Especially
with racoons being the one of the main spreaders of the disease currently.

Karen
From: mt92mmj@brunel.ac.uk (Brunel University Riding Club)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Starting a league
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:44:41 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
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	I am considering starting up a league for riders with a bit of 
	riding experience and would like experience of competing in a
	league of some sort. There appears to be somewhat of a space
	for beginners league wise in inter university competition.
	Who could I contact to get some advise on doing this ?

				Thanks,
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From: PROCTOR@lexvm2.vnet.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: testing
Date: 23 Jan 1993 21:19:21 -0500
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
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testing, testing......