HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kap@eng.cam.ac.uk (Kevin A. Price)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Problem.......
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:09:56 GMT
Organization: cam.eng

I received this from rich@convergent.com asking me to post this to 
alt.astrology. Please reply directly to his e-mail address.

As a bit of background on the problem it might be helpfuld to know
I have ported the basic source from Michael Erlewin's book into 'C'.  
In addition I have typed in the BASIC code as well and have it running.  I 
have each of the releases of astrolog.  I have compiled them on both DOS 
and UNIX. They ALL have the same problem with declinations.  If it weren't 
for the fact that each of the versions come up with the same values, I 
would believe the problem is my own.  By the way, in astrolog the column 
of figures titled "Decl" is NOT in fact declination, but rather PLANETARY 
LATITUDE.  This is the screen which comes up with 'astrolog -i file'.

The problem is primarily with planets of extreme declination ( >12 degrees).
Planets with less than 12 degrees declination are reasonably accurate.
Around 20 degrees the error of declination is greater than 37minutes.

It appears the problem stems from the calculation of the planetary
latitudes.  If I enter the correct values for the latitudes while
debugging, the declinations come out correctly.

Erlewine has a commercial package which he sells under the name "Blue
Star".  I have played with it and the calculations correspond quite
precisely with Neil Michelson's published ephemeris.  Yet, even in his
examples in the "Manual of Computing for Astrologers" the declinations
do not come out correctly.  My guess is that some of the "Neely values"
may have been entered incorrectly in the book.  Why else would not only
my programs, but Walter's astrolog programs all come up with the same
values ?. 

My point for taking up this bandwidth is twofold.  1) Declinations are
important in computing parallel aspects.  In a progressed chart a few
minutes error could throw timing off by several months or even years.  
I would think anyone serious about astrology would want the accuracy.  
2)  If anyone has figured out the correct values and wants to share them 
we could all benefit.

In conjunction with this post, I will attempt to contact MATRIX software
and see if they will share this information.  Meanwhile, any help would
certainly be appreciated.

Thanks,

Rich
rich@convergent.com
From: cjh@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Carol J. Hughes)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: diffences in longitude
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:34:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia
Originator: cjh@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU

The geographic name server lists the longitude for my place of
birth as 79.59.

I just started reading this newsgroup a couple of days ago.
I sent away for an astral chart several months ago and the
chart came back with the longitude as 80.1W.  Is the small difference
in longitude going to make a difference in the chart?

I don't have with me the name of the company that did the
chart, but it is not in the resource list for this newsgroup.

Joan
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:49:39 EDT
From: <SXM123@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Jupiter

     Hi.  I'm new to this newsgroup and am awaiting a Jupiter transit to my Plu
to in the 6th house at 4 degrees.  This will be keying off an important point i
n my chart because it will also be opposing Moon in Aries in the 12th, and sext
iling Mercury and Neptune in the 8th in Sagittarius.  Has anyone recently gone
through a Jupiter/Pluto aspect or have any incite into this matter?  I would gr
eatly appreciate any help in interpreting this.  I have been planning some writ
ing projects later this month, and its going to require breaking out of old hab
its in order to do a good job.
                                               -Marilynn
From: casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Discussion topic 3
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:07:00 GMT
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92286.145330SXM123@psuvm.psu.edu>, SXM123@psuvm.psu.edu writes...
> 
>     My first cat was an Aries, and boy was he something!  [...]

Wow, horoscopes for pets.  I mean this as a serious question: how far along
the phyla would you say the astrological symbolism pertains?  Only mammals?
Vertebrates?  Plants?

Puppy and kitten litters represent a unique situation which is seldom present
for people - a lot of different individuals born at almost exactly the same
time, on whom environmental influences might be considered about the same.

Several friends of mine have had litters of kitties where siblings born at the
same time have had completely different personalities - timid/aggressive,
affectionate/aloof, etc.  Makes ya wonder...


Dave


P.S. I cannot resist the naughty temptation to ask if you do progressions
for pets in "dog years"...
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: Problem.......
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:15:26 GMT

kap@eng.cam.ac.uk (Kevin A. Price) writes:
>Problems w/ declination calculations in Erlewine's code

I have a copy in BASIC done by a friend, and I think he may have fixed
that if he was looking . . .

I also have my own C code based on Jean Meeus' book "Astronomical Formulae
for Calculators", using spherical coordinates. I can ship that out here,
with a copyright - I'd like to redesign the code a bit and put it out
commerically. The latest program does a nice wheel on VGA/color PC with
aspects, and includes asteroids (Ch, the big 4, and D.George's 12.) The
12 asteroids aren't great as I don't do perturbations with them, but . . .

I think this program may do the declinations correctly. I need a formula
for retrograde determination in the spherical coordinates (help??)

The visual program needs a fix to relocate the Asc to the East (I put 00 Aries
to the East in the earlier phase of development and never fixed it.)
Maybe someone would like to co-develop this with me? And I will post the
HP/GL-2 code HERE so anyone can use it.

I also intend to put this into a Windows version, when I get the time.

Yea- beg or borrow, but Thou Shalt Not Steal.
thanks
-ecsd
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: casting Armitage
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 22:01:00 CDT
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

millere@frith.msu.edu writes:

> When I read the novel I pictured Rutger Hauer as being Armitage.

That fits.

Somehow, I pictured Zero Mostel as Julius Deane, though...  must not be
drinking enough coffee.
--
Roy M. Silvernail --  roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu - OR-  cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu
                         "I'm a model citizen."
                                      -- Warren Zevon
From: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: The *best* person to
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis)
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016

>The *best* person to read _Agrippa_ aloud would be
>
>       Jim Carroll

ADS> I vote for Bob Dylan.

<gaak!!>...<sound of projectile vomitus!>

followed, of course, by my favorite choice, A. Whitney Brown.


 -- SPEED 1.20 [NR]: Funny how life imitates LSD.
From: wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott Gregory)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: reality?
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:41:37 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.alt.cyberpunk: 7-Oct-92 reality? by
guest@fcit-c1.fcit.monas 
>         Cyberspace, what will it be?
> OK, I don't hack. But from all the info. I have collated on it, it seems
> a 3-D world in electronic space won't be existing for the purpose of storing 
> information which can be hacked into. It will be purely for educational, 
> entertainmment and maybe simulations (mainly combat simulations). Real 
> hackers are going to be dealing with hundreds of characters to do the hacking
> getting the real stuff. 

    I believe it was in last week's "Economist" that I read an article
regarding securities firms in the U.S. and Japan being excited about a
"new software system" now available, which represents the securities
shares of various corporations by different geometric shapes.  Relative
positions show current values, and shifts in color describe the
intensity of price shifts.  Thus, say the securities analysts, they are
are able to get a better grasp on the vast amount of shares they must
constantly monitor rather than sifting through tickers and such.  Sound
familiar, anyone?

 

Scott Gregory                              :   
Carnegie Mellon University                 :
Heinz School of Public Policy & Management :
Internet: wg2b@andrew.cmu.edu              :
CIS: 76620,32                              :
From: Scott Abfalter <thx1138@angus.mi.org>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Industial Music and the opinions of this reader
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 14:12:01 EDT
Reply-To: thx1138@angus.mi.org
Organization: North Star BBS


RE: Information Society being posers
 
   So what if they are, they _still_ make pretty good music. 
   Seek 200 has my vote for best song on 'Hack' 
 
RE: Front 242 
 
   I'm listening to Tyranny ->For You<- right now (Lietmotiv).  
   So far I like Front by Front best (I have not yet gotten
   Geography or Backcatalouge) 
 
   If you like Front 242 check out Front Line Assembly as well. 
   Both "Tactical Neural Implant" and "The Initial Command" are
   good --I'll let you decide about "Gashed Senseless & Crossfire"
   (or whatever that albumn is called...) 
 
RE: Trent Raznor (Nine Inch Nails) 
 
   Don't buy his new one ("Broken") if you expect it to be like his 
   last albumn.  This is much, much closer to hardcore punk than 
   industrial music.  Sad, because "Pretty Hate Machine" was such
   a well done albumn. 
 
THX

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Scott Abfalter (thx1138@angus.mi.org)
North Star BBS, Royal Oak, MI --------------------------------------------+-
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Thursday, 1 Oct 1992 13:22:53 EDT
From: <L13BC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: CYBERNETICISTS

Listen people, I'm thinking of going into cybernetics, can someone tell me the
pros & cons of this field. As well as tell me basically what it defines? E-mail
 me, thanx.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (the cultural elite)
Subject: Another FAQless victim (was Re: neuromancer the movie?)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 23:12:58 GMT

In article <92283.092306BDA108@psuvm.psu.edu> <BDA108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|A few years ago I read in a magazine that Neuromancer the movie was being made
|Has anyone else ever heard about this and if so what happened to it?  Movie li
|e Lawnmower Man prove that you can do kick ass virtual reality graphics in a
|movie.  Now's the time if ever to make such a movie.

Read the FAQ.  

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From: lance.rose@factory.com (Lance Rose) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: b. sterling
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:59:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: lance.rose@factory.com (Lance Rose) 

B> bruce sterling, what a loser, he may have a cyberpunk attitude but he can't
> write for crap.  I first read gibson's stuff then sterling and was completl
> disappointed.  and how about "Difference Engine" i think that it could have
> been a good book if just gibson wrote it.  I have read and will continue to
> read sterling's stuff but only for the story his style needs a lot of work.

You're the one whose style needs work, Vladimir . . .
---
 . SPEED 1.10 [NR] .
From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Less-Speculative SF (was Re: reality?
Date: 9 Oct 92 07:51:56 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> floyd writes:
> Hmm...I agre to an extent, but there are some important socio-economic
> and technical differences between our world and that of Max
> Headroom...Mainly in that are world is not yet entirely governed by
> megacorps, we do not have the all-too-familiar urban decay to the
> extent HeadroomEarth did, we have more than a 2-class system, etc...


True, but the point is that the aspects of culture which are evident today
are merely magnified to (admittedly) absurd proportions in order to make them
stand out.  And the middle class *is* disappearing from North America.

>
> And in regards to the scare tactic, I think Headroom was intended to
> be more of science fiction than to make a point about our current
> culture despite the funkeE catch-phrasing...I sincerely doubt American
> society would allow itself to be apathetic to he point of the
> "peasants" in Headroom...Especially when you have people like Edison
> Carter being fairly outspoken against apathy (the bracelet episode
> comes to mind) - if Edison Carter is as popular as he seems to be,
> than at least the peole who wish to emulate him in his status of
> role-model/famous-guy would take it upon themselves to emulate his
> societal concerns...


This is an interesting point.  What shows are most popular on TV these days?
A lot of them are these "real-life" dramas like COPS, etc, that showcase the
worst in society.  People love it.  But they don't appear to be DOING
anything about it.  What about Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous or "Daring,
Exciting Adventures that other people have and you don't" kind of programs?
People are too often content to WATCH life happening instead of living it.

Our world is definitely NOT a Bladerunner, or a Max Headroom world, or Chiba
City.  But it has enough aspects of the above to cause concern...

And the technology seems to be approaching far more rapidly than anyone would
ever have predicted...  We all love to watch Star Trek's loveable Geordi
amaze us with his Visor(tm), but did you know that a miniature TV camera has
already been hooked up to the optic nerve of someone who had lost his sight?
Miniaturize it slightly and it fits in a glass eyeball easily.  Funny how
20th century tech beats out 25th...

"So.. no special effects at all, then... just the zoom." (holds paper towards
and away from his head)

           - Recently Humanized Android Kryten, Red Dwarf


--
Jeremy_Reimer@ |"It turned out, as N-Man discovered later, that the black
mindlink.bc.ca | boat hadn't been after him at all.  It was full of riotous,
---------------| unemployed former James Bond villains enraged at the fall
aka THE JAGUAR!| of Communism in the Soviet Union."
---------------|
Stealth Sig#69 |  --From "N-Man #3: N-Man on Holiday"
From: ratner@owlnet.rice.edu (Logan Joshua Ratner)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Shadowrun (Re: The Borg and Cyber-posesurs)
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:36:59 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Oct9.011816.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au> c9221777@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Brother Redeye) writes:

>...
>While source material does abound for Shadowrun (if you're referring to the
>RPG), my major objection to it is that the fantasy element seems to spoil the
>cp atmosphere.  Vampires - fine, but I don't really want Elves and the rest of
>it prancing through the chrome and steel maze of corporatized despair.  Send
>them back to the forests where they belong.

As far as I'm concerned an elf is one of two things:
1. A dude with a fair plastic surgeon.
2. A dude who's parents had a GREAT genetic engineer.

In either case, an elf is one other thing.  A target that's hard to
hit because your too busy laughing.

Oh, and you can't send them back to the forests where they belong.
The forests were all cut down to make jobs and build that maze of 
chrome and steel.
(Making both elves and spotted owls mythical creatures...)

ratner
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: doom@elaine36.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner)
Subject: Re: The Cyberpunk Aesthetic
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:47:43


There was an EE prof at Stony Brook (Drexel, I think) who
liked to tell this story about the time they attempted to
give a classroom at MIT a way of giving the lecturer real
time feed back about how well they comprehended what was
going on.  Simple analog electronics... everybody gets a
knob to vote with, the inputs are all added up and displayed
on one big gauge, right means total comprehension, left
means completely at sea.  

He said that the class went out of their way to rig the
result, e.g., prof looks up one moment, sees the meter
suddenly pegged one way, prof looks up the next moment, and
sees it pegged the other way.  And so the metering system
was deemed to be counter-productive, because everyone was
ignoring the lecture and secretly communicating among
themselves about which way to peg it next.  

Anyway, the moral is that if the obsession with poll-taking
is bugging you, you should start lying on polls, and
encourage other people to do so also.  

(This bit of the "cyberpunk aesthetic" -- digital overlays on
the image -- is at least as old as _The Andromeda Strain_
and I think _WestWorld_.)
From: Scott Abfalter <thx1138@angus.mi.org>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Lethal Interface
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 14:06:52 EDT
Reply-To: thx1138@angus.mi.org
Organization: North Star BBS

RE: Lethal Interface and Japan Bashing 

  One thing that really did bug me about "Lethal Interface" was all of
  the Japan bashing he did in it.  I mean, I can understand a certain
  amount if the author is trying to make a point about the character, 
  but it was so prevelant that it tended to distract the reader from
  the story....


THX

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North Star BBS, Royal Oak, MI --------------------------------------------+-
From: hooker@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu ( BOB HOOKER)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Anger in Cyberpunk
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:41:20 GMT
Organization: ILS

In article <pvanheus.719133311@frodo>, pvanheus@frodo.cs.uct.ac.za (P A van
Heusden) writes:

> 
> What I've found strange about all these authors is that while there is much
> activity towards freedom, in fact the protagonist is often on a freedom trip,
> though most often freedom through escape into a medium such as the Net or
> being jacked into a panzer, there is little anger. Like, noone is standing 
> there and saying 'Fuck the Corps!'. I wonder why? The prime emotions seem to
> be the burning aesthetic of Tech, and the cold sadness of defeat. This pattern
> occurs in both Neuromancer and Hardwired. Basically it is the up and running
> cowboys, burning around the galaxy of burnt out has beens. Again - sadness,
> no anger. Why? I sure am angry at the corps, at the people who are screwing
> our world so drastically. Sure, I love running through the Net as it is now, 
> the sheer adrenaline rush of having the Net as an extra sense, but that's not
> the be and end all of life. Anyway: Has anyone else noticed this pattern, and
> does anyone know why it is so?


In Neuromancer it is Anger exploited by Wintermute which drive the
characters,  in fact the entire plot resolves around Wintermute's ability
to bring everyone elses sense of betrayl and anger to the right point at
the right time.

Bladerunner is full of a sense a anger and
rage.
From: Jay_Daunheimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jay Daunheimer)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Until the End of The World (Again)
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:18:42 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I just rented above mentioned film last night.
Cool soundtrack. Wonderful HDTV dreams.
It is Cyberpunk in my book.
You should see it, makes you think.
Its long. I thought it was ending about 5 times.
Very romantic. Very moving.


Possible Spoiler Question:

Do you think the cure for her addiction was a statement about television and
literature?

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: shaun@octel.com (Attacking Deep Structure)
Subject: Re: reality?
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:50:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.225837.8476@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (pinkerton floyd) writes:
>.....At any rate, if anything, Gibson's world seems a
>drastic change to me....I think the future will be more benine - don't
>expect change to keep increasing beyond the logrhythmic pace it's
>on now...

Man, I couldn't disagree more.  All the microprocessor manufacturers are
optimistic about packing more and more transistors more and more densely
on a single die.  I think Intel's using a .85 micron technology for the 486,
and there next step is to .6 or so, then .35.  Witness DEC's new 150 Mzh
Alpha chip.  As computers get faster (and they're going to get exponentially
faster for probably at least the next ten years,) they're going to drive
faster and cheaper communications, including video and high-quality audio
for first world countries and basic telephone service for lesser developed
countries.  Maybe you haven't heard of virtual telphone service?  In countries
like Brazil that have no free pairs, and where no one can really afford
installation and monthly service charges as well as a phone, instead, you
give everyone a voicemail box, and everyone shares a small number of
publically accessible telephones.  You don't have direct realtime 
communication, but it's still up a long ways from nothing, and is better
than normal telephone service in some ways.  Faster communication always 
means faster social change.  Look what TV (MTV in particular) did for 
standardizing the tastes of the under 21 age group of the USA.  Russia is
now on the Internet.  Things are just going to get faster and faster and
faster.  If you think you and your parents don't really understand each
other, wait til things really start moving.  Heh heh heh.  "My dad's so
2D he still listens to those old CD recordings of Japanese noise bands."

Yow.

@Man

-- 
shaun@octel.com  ||  LOTFB: Lying On The Floor Bleeding
             
(I didn't write the above.  I left my terminal unattended, and the janitor 
sat on it.)
From: ron@zooid.guild.org (Secret Mud)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Shadowrun (Re: The Borg and Cyber-posesurs)
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:37:52 GMT

From: ratner@owlnet.rice.edu (Logan Joshua Ratner)
>
>In either case, an elf is one other thing.  A target that's hard to
>hit because your too busy laughing.
>
>Oh, and you can't send them back to the forests where they belong.
>The forests were all cut down to make jobs and build that maze of 
>chrome and steel.
>(Making both elves and spotted owls mythical creatures...)
>
>ratner
>

Send them all off to that space colony.  I think it's called Elf-Five.  :)