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From: dap@portal.vpharm.com (David A. Pearlman)
Subject: Re: Johnny Rocket's
Organization: Vertex Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:57:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.164606.15849@osf.org> rogers@rosencrantz.osf.org (Andrew Rogers) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.150455.26819@odi.com> ed@odi.com (Ed Schwalenberg) writes:
>>...The decor, while worth seeing, is a 90's implemention of
>>the 50's; only someone who'd never been in a real 50's diner would be fooled.
>
>I flamed about this a couple months ago, so forgive me if it sounds familiar...
>
>The 90's attempts at 50's-retro are easy enough to ignore completely - what
>really annoys me is when authentic 50's places start to get self-consciously
>cutesy about it!  For example, there's Charlie's (the Cheeseburger King, with
>extra credit for the crown on the 'K') on Eliot St. near Harvard Square; a few
>years ago they went for the neo-retro look and installed all these pseudo-50's 
>neon signs.  Why?  And what's next - will the Willow Pond Kitchen replace their
>cracked, faded Schlitz sign with a modern reproduction - maybe pink and
>turquoise and shaped like a tailfin?
>
>AWR
>
>


Yeah, retro-fitting these genuinely old places is annoying. (At least
the Tastee in Harvard Sq. hasn't changed...Though they're more a greasy
spoon than a diner...).

But what I find even more annoying are the 90's attempts at 50's retro
that try to pretend they're legitimate heirs to the "real" diner mantle.
Like the Mel's Diner chain in the San Francisco area (maybe they've 
expanded past there now?) Once upon a time, there was a real Mel's Diner
chain or genuine '50's-style diners. One was featured in the movie
American Graffiti. They'd all closed up by the beginning of the '80's. Then
in the late '80's,
they started to open a whole series of new Mel's Diners, which were the
same as the old ones except they charged more and had not an iota of
the character of the old places. Needless to say, they were more popular
than ever...


dap (for the first time responding to a FOOD posting by AWR)



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    David A. Pearlman

Vertex Pharmaceuticals Inc.                     email: dap@vpharm.com
From: sammy@smds.com (Samuel Murphy)
Newsgroups: ne.food
Subject: "Rays" (was: Re: Pizza in Italy)
Date: 13 Sep 92 03:26:27 GMT
Reply-To: sammy@ishmael.UUCP (Samuel Murphy)
Organization: Software Maintenance & Development Systems, Inc.


>upstate NY.  Pizza in NYC - especially at RAYS, is definately the best. 
>
>SRL

But which Rays is the REAL Rays? I counted 5 or 6.

-Sam
From: wdr@world.std.com (William D Ricker)
Newsgroups: ne.food
Subject: Re: Suan La Chow Show
Date: 13 Sep 92 21:53:34 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

The restaurant in Arlington Center whose name I forget used to have 
a Chow Show (they didn't call it Suan La) which was very different
from that made famouse amongst hackers at the /l/e/g/e/n/d/a/r/y/
lamented Mary Chung's, but quite enjoyable.

There is something on (one of) the menu(s) at Tawain, formerly Ta
Chien II, Audobon Circle (Brookline/Kenmore line on Beacon St) which
is rather like a cross between Mary's Refreshing Bean Sprout and Chow
Show; but I forget what it is called.  They used to have a waiter who
would bring me it if I asked for Chow Show, but he's gone, I guess.  I
forget if it is the "dim sum menu" (pardon the oxymoron) or the
regular.

If you ask for "schou show" of every waiter you meet in a chinese
restuarant, you'll eventually be pleasantly surprised, even if the
menu calls it otherwise!

Gotta go, 2-year-old needs hug.
-- Bill

I don't get this deep in the .newsrc often enough, would someone
throw a rock through my TTY when Mary's reopens?


-- 
Bill Ricker wdr@world.std.com      "The freedom of the press belongs 
(formerly wdr@wang.com)             to those who own one."
Newsgroups: ne.food
From: wiryaman@riscee.pko.dec.com (Santa Wiryaman)
Subject: Re: When is Taste of Boston?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Maynard MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:33:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.152815.15370@husc3.harvard.edu> chandoni@husc8.harvard.edu (John-Marc Chandonia) writes:
>Last year, I went to a small food festival in the Hynes Convention
>Center... this was sponsored by a couple of news/talk radio
>stations.  The admission was pretty cheap, and the food "all you
>can eat."  It seems like this event was sometime in September, and
>it was supposed to be an annual thing (last year was the 2nd or
>3rd).
>

I went there last year and wasn't impressed.  And I won't call it cheap either.
This was I would think an advertisement/promotion event for area restaurants,
but admission was $5.00 and it wasn't at all an all you can eat arrangement.
I had to buy coupons (10 coupons for $9, or something like that), and decent
food cost 3 - 4 coupons for one or two scoops of sample.  So for a total of
$14 I got two food samples and an appetizer.  I went out of the building
unsatisfied and still hungry!  This was on a Saturday around lunch hour, and
the attendance was pretty low, now I know why.  Oh, and the main event was a
Boston Creme pie contest.  There were selected judges carrying pads, looking
and tasting each entry.  What's the big deal, nobody else could sample the
entries and judge for themselves.


-- 
Santa Wiryaman

INTERNET : wiryaman@riscee.pko.dec.com
UUCP     : ...!decwrl!riscee.pko.dec.com!wiryaman
From: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com (Robert La Ferla)
Newsgroups: ne.food
Subject: Johnny Rocket's
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:58:25 GMT
Reply-To: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com
Organization: Hot Software

Did a Johnny Rocket's open up in Boston?  Last night on the television show,  
Chronicle (on WCVB), they showed Johnny Rocket's and other nostalgic places in  
Massachusetts.  I didn't catch the entire spot on Johnny Rocket's which led me  
to believe that one opened up here.

FYI.  Johnny Rocket's is a hip 50's style restaurant chain that was founded in  
Los Angeles.  It is similar to Ed Debevic's or to some lesser extent the Hard  
Rock Cafe.  They serve burgers and shakes, etc...

Robert La Ferla
Newsgroups: ne.food
From: rad@mitre.org (Dick Dramstad)
Subject: Re: Johnny Rocket's
Followup-To: ne.food
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: ne
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:11:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.175825.4820@hot.com>, Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com (Robert
La Ferla) wrote:
> 
> Did a Johnny Rocket's open up in Boston?  Last night on the television show,  
> Chronicle (on WCVB), they showed Johnny Rocket's and other nostalgic places in  
> Massachusetts.  I didn't catch the entire spot on Johnny Rocket's which led me  
> to believe that one opened up here.

  One opened up in the Burlington Mall around Memorial Day. 

Dick Dramstad
rad@mitre.org
Newsgroups: ne.food
From: maura@mitre.org
Subject: Re: When is Taste of Boston?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:06:30 GMT

My boyfriend is from Indiana and used to go to "Taste of Chicago", so when
we heard about "Taste of Boston", we knew we'd have to go.  Anyway, it was
supposed to be held either in Sept. or Oct., but was postponed until next
spring.  The girl on the telephone told us they were working at getting the
Tall Ships to come back to Boston for the event.  I'll try to find the phone
number that we called and I'll post it.
 
 
 
Maura Shugrue                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
****SHUG****                      ^ Of course there's more to life than ^
email: maura@mitre.org            ^ chocolate, BUT WHAT????????         ^
The MITRE Corporation              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Bedford, Massachusetts
Newsgroups: ne.food
From: troyer@mitre.org (Tom Royer)
Subject: Re: Pappa Razi in Concord
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:57:12 GMT

In article <7193@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill 
Lambert) writes:

[ Discussion of abominable service at Pappa Razzi which about echoes my 
experience ]

> The manager of Pappa Razzi should go up Rt. 2a about 2 miles and
> have dinner at Pasta Villagio in Acton, where the owner greets
> you at the door, and the wait staff is exteremely attentive and
> well-trained. This place.... relatively inexpensive, but lacking
> the glitz and gimmick of Pappa Razzi, will undoubtedly suffer from
> their nearby proximity.

Unfortunately, the last two times we've been to Pasta Villagio, the food has
been totally lacking in taste.  That's why we tried Pappa Razzi.  Maybe the
Pasta Villagio management should hire the Pappa Razzi kitchen staff.

--
Tom Royer

Newsgroups: ne.food
From: twm3@world.std.com (Thomas W Moore)
Subject: Small, ethnic (???) resturants suggestions needed
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:00:07 GMT

Hiya,

A friend of mine is taking her MCATs this Saturday (Sept 19) and is for
some strange reason stressed out about it.  As she is going home to sleep
right after the test, I told her I would take her out and make her relax
on Sunday night.

When asked for preferences or dislikes, she really couldn't come up with
anything that she disliked (Should I take her to McDonald's ? :-) ).  
However she did say that she wanted some place small, ethnic, personal, and
fun.  Any ideas?  It would be fun to impress her so almost anything within
495 would be fine.  Money isn't to much of an object but having a fun,
relaxing time is.

E-mail responses to twm3@world.std.com would be appreciated.  If there is
sufficient interest, I will post a summary.

TIA,

-Tom
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jelly when you had smoked turkey and brie in mind." - On-On, twm3@world.std.com
Newsgroups: ne.food
From: ed@odi.com (Ed Schwalenberg)
Subject: Re: Johnny Rocket's
Organization: Object Design, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 15:04:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.210854.8049@decvax.dec.com> maler@abyss.zk3.dec.com (Eve Maler UEG Doc) writes:
  Yep, there's a Johnny Rocket's in Burlington Mall, where the Magic Pan
  used to be.  It's a great place!  The burgers are really good, and it's
  great when the staff starts to do a choreographed dance to the music
  from the jukeboxes (there's one in each booth).

  The gimmick looks a little cutesy, but the experience is great.  I
  always go there when I need cheering up.

I found Johnny Rocket's to be the hamburger equivalent of Pizzeria Regina
across the hall: it fits the technical description but it's not a satisfying
food experience.  The decor, while worth seeing, is a 90's implemention of
the 50's; only someone who'd never been in a real 50's diner would be fooled.

My advice is look but don't buy.

If you must eat in the Burlington Mall, try the Thai Curried Chicken at Wong's.
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Newsgroups: ne.food
Subject: New Thai Restaurant
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:01:38 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.

Bangkok Seafood   2226 Charles St., Near Beacon St.


Last night my son and I were walking down Charles St. and we came
across a new Thai restaurant. This seemed to be an upscale place and
the menu although pricey (8-12/entree) seemed to include a nice variety.
The menu claims to not use any MSG in any of the cooking and the flavor
confirmed that.

This is where I must explain , that although I purposely asked for a menu
inorder to assist in this review, I misplaced it. I make a habit of always
giving the leftovers of any restaurant meal to a homeless person. It is a
small thing to do but it helps a little and if one gets in the habit then
pretty soon one finds oneself not trying to overstuff... eating less which
is good , inorder to leave a slightly larger meal. Anyway, I forgot to
retrieve the menu from the bag when I gave away the leftovers.

We each had a hot/sour soup which had very nice mushrooms , good texture
and flavor. The chicken soup was slightly hotter than the shrimp soup.

The main courses were Pad Thai and Shrimp Pik (? wish I had the menu to
confirm that name). The vegetables had just the right crispness the shrimp
and chicken were both tender and cooked the right amount. The only complaint
that I had was in the spices and is indirectly related to the lack of MSG.
MSG is used as a meat tenderizer and as a flavour enhancer. Without it there
are two choices of flavour enhancers, salt and sugar. Both of the main
courses suffered from an overabundance of sugar! Not fatal , but enough to
effectively bring down the overall quality.

Recommendation ... wait a couple of weeks and then try it. After the place
stabilizes.


Charlie


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From: boomer@sylsoft.com (Richard Akerboom)
Newsgroups: ne.food
Subject: Re: A New Jersian's view of Chicago Pizza.
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:48:04 GMT
Reply-To: boomer@sylsoft.com (Richard Akerboom)
Organization: Sylvan Software
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1

Well as someone who grew up mostly in New Jersey, before I had the
opportunity/good sense to move to Vermont, and having been to Chicago
and sampled pizza at Gino's East amongst other places, I can only
say that Chicago has the best pizza. Certainly the two styles are
different, but if you have to pick one winner....

I welcome any comments from those who have sample the best of BOTH
worlds.

Rich

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Sylvan Software          uucp: dartvax!sylsoft!boomer
Mechanic St.            Phone: 802-649-2231
P. O. Box 566             FAX: 802-649-2238
Norwich, VT 05055 USA 
Newsgroups: ne.food
From: shawn@monitor.com
Subject: Re: Pappa Razi in Concord
Reply-To: shawn@monitor.com
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:29:29 GMT

This was interesting to hear, because IMHO the Papa Razzi in Cambridge  
(Galleria mall) has always provided me with with Excellent service (with a  
capital E).

I'm not associated with these folks in any way, just a content customer.

Shawn Broderick
shawn@monitor.com
Newsgroups: ne.food
From: szs@world.std.com (Stephen Z Stein)
Subject: Re: Good Pizza
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 00:01:01 GMT

As a pizza lover and an expatriot New Jersey-ite, I can't resist this
thread!

There's certainly not much to like among the pizza choices in the area.
I've never even heard of the Bluestone Bistro, but I'll certainly try it.
I agree with Barry, the original Bertucci's was quite good, but not in the
New York style I was used to in NJ.  IMHO, New Haven (Pepe's and Sally's)
is the best pizza on earth, but it's just a bit far to travel for dinner.

My favorite pizza spot in the area is Armando's on Huron near Concord in
West Cambridge.  It's delivered consistantly good NY style thinish crust,
oily gooey wonderful pies for the past 20 years.

- Steve Stein
From: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: ne.food
Subject: Re: Pappa Razi in Concord
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:45:57 GMT
Reply-To: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Organization: Horizon Research


=> In article <7193@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com>, blamb@rodan.hri.com
=> (Bill Lambert) writes:
=> > I guess it took almost 15 minutes total to
=> > get out of the bar after we were called.

In article <2686@mitech.com>, gjc@mitech.com
(George J. Carrette) writes:
=> I think you were doing something strange by interacting with
=> the part of a system that didn't expect or need interaction.
=> 
=> Every time I've gone from "the bar" to "the dining area" I've just
=> gotten up and left. Even if I have a drink on order.
=> 
=> They always find you. They have a good reason to find you.

Yeah.... you are right, and I have done that from time to time.
That evening, though, when the hostess told us our table was
ready, she added, "I'll seat you after you settle up your bar bill."
In that place, on that night, even with reason to find us, I doubt
they were capable, but all the more reason why we should have skipped
out :-)

- Bill
From: gjc@mitech.com (George J. Carrette)
Newsgroups: ne.food
Subject: Re: Pappa Razi in Concord
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:01:11 GMT
Organization: Mitech Corporation, Concord MA

In article <7193@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com>, blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:
> I guess it took almost 15 minutes total to
> get out of the bar after we were called.

I think you were doing something strange by interacting with
the part of a system that didn't expect or need interaction.

Every time I've gone from "the bar" to "the dining area" I've just gotten up 
and left. Even if I have a drink on order.

They always find you. They have a good reason to find you.

-gjc
From: tlaitaka@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Timo Laitakari)
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
Subject: How to setup MCIwindow for VMF and dib pictures?
Summary: Help needed in setting up a mci steered multimedia environment.
Keywords: MCI, animation, metafile, bitmap
Date: 7 Sep 92 13:21:12 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

We have with Philip Donner been playing with the Multimedia Command 
Interface for some time and constructed a program to execute MCI 
command sequences. It is a similar program as the one coming with the 
MDK, but goes some steps further by providing loop and branch 
structures, exec, beep, messagebox and abort commands. The conditioning 
is produced by testing responses from the MCI functions and the 
messageboxes.   

As most of you must know by this time, Microsoft made the generous move 
of including some of the MCI drivers with Windows 3.1. The funny thing 
is that what was already there in our machines - bitmaps, metafiles - 
cannot any more be shown without external drivers and programs.    

Is there anyone around who could give us some advice as to how to setup 
the old multimedia extensions' MCI animation driver so that we could 
show WMF and DIP files in conjunction with MCI steered music and sound. 



Timo Laitakari and Philip Donner
From: iroberts@pietro.ua.oz.au (Ian Roberts)
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
Subject: Re: IconAuthor
Summary: Authorware is worth a look.
Date: 8 Sep 92 00:10:56 GMT
Organization: Department of Physical and Inorganic Chemistry, University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: pietro.pichem.adelaide.edu.au

In response to recent queries about multi media authoring systems:

I have been using Auithorware Professional for about 12 months and find it a
very good application for my needs. In its favour are the following points:

1       ease of use-the 'drag and drop' icon method is very easy to learn and
        yet modules with quite sophisticated stuctures can be created.

2       the finished product is very professional-looking with buttons,
        pull-down menus etc that comply with the operating environment standards

3       AW runs on macs and in MS-Windows. Indeed modules prepared on the mac
        can be imported to Windows quite simply (except for font and colour
        mapping). The main advantage is that expertise with AW on one platform
        is applicable to ohers. I am advised that a Unix version of AW is soon
        to be released.

4       a variety of student/user interactions are available and can be combined
        as required. Data on student use etc can easily be recorded.

5       AW can launch other apps and can use dynamic link libraries (or mac
        equivalent) to perform tasks that prove difficult within AW-although AW
        does provide an extensive number of maths and graphics functions etc.

The problems I have with AW include the following (some of which may be
addresses in imminant (Oh damn! how do you spell that word) releases)

1       no search/replace facility for icon content

2       no equivalent of word processor "styles". While variable can be used
        for most attributes (display, time etc) font and colour of objects must
        be selected absolutely. I would like to be able to easily manipulate a
        lesson using styles etc.

3       AW creates rather large files. Granted I do use bitmapped graphics but
        usually rather small ones and I do think that the file size is a bit
        excessive.

All in all, a pretty good product. I guess it is early days for this sort of
programming for non-programmers and AW and its competitors are all likely to
improve substantially in the future.

Bye

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                                                Univesity of Adelaide
                                                Australia
From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner)
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
Subject: Anyone else try teleconferencing?
Date: 14 Sep 1992 21:13:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


I'm writing a program for Sun Sparc Stations (eventually`
I need to switch over to the NeXT for the DSP) that
will allow voice communications or eventually digital
pictures... Has anyone else tried this? Maybe someone here 
might know the bandwidth of thick and thin ethernet as
well as 10Base-T and fiberoptic... Thanks for the replies
via email...
CW
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Newsgroups: comp.multimedia
From: willdye@helios.unl.edu (Will Dye)
Subject: Re: Multimedia Degrees
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date:  5 Sep 92 04:11:12 GMT

kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu writes:

> I think this has been asked before, but what are some
> universities offering Multimedia major degrees?

Some Universities offer an Integrated Studies program, which allows you 
to develop a customized degree (if the Dean approves it).  I just 
graduated from the University of Nebraska with an Integrated Studies 
degree in Multimedia Computing.  It was about half Computer Science; and 
half a mix of media-related topics such as Film Studies, audio, Video 
Production, acting, art, and some special topics degrees where I worked 
one-on-one with a professor on a multimedia presentation. 

I started several years ago, when mm wasn't so popular; but it was fun, 
and to my knowledge I'm the first person in the world with a degree in 
Multimedia Computing.  I'm job-hunting now, and the only hard part is 
that I want to stay in Nebraska or Colorado to stay close to family.  
If there's a center to mm, it's the Bay area.  I may yet wind up there.

You might want to check out San Francisco State, they are offering a 
couple of courses in mm.  If you don't like California, try asking 
the college of you choice about a specialized degree.  A few people 
will give you a funny look, but don't get discouraged until someone 
who knows for sure says 'no'.  Good luck, please let me know how it 
turns out.

--Will
willdye@helios.unl.edu