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From: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: DCI championship rings
Date: 4 Nov 92 22:04:41 GMT
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Mike,

I think Scott was around during the Float years. He was teaching quints or
quads or whatever the hell they had then....

Greg

P.S. After Knight Raiders folded after the '77 tour I went with Dennis
      Mancini to Mr. Billing's house to try and get the keys to the bus
      so Dennis could get his cooler, Billings was drunk off his ass and
      started getting so pissed he ended up threatening me at the horror
      and embarrassment of his family.

       (just thought I'd throw that in)
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From: timm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Timm Knoerzer)
Subject: Re: DCI championship rings
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:13:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.220850.15645@hubcap.clemson.edu> rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry) writes:
>michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wong) writes:
>
>>	What individual marching corps member has accumulated/earned the 
>>most championship rings?  (Not senior corps, actually marched, not an
>>instructor)  Or rather, who has been in the most corps that won DCI 
>>championship finals?
>>	I heard that there is some guy who has legitimately earned six
>>rings(!)  Someone asked me this but I wasn't too sure.  Anybody?
>
>The most I've ever heard of was a Garfield member (CG Captain I think)
>who won in '83, '84, '85 and '87.  Maybe there's a Garfield member out
>there who can answer this for sure.
>

 believe that Rick Wygant marched all four of those years in the soprano line
 therefore, he would have earned four rings.  Also, you are correct about the 
 guard member and for the life of me i cannot remember her name.  Those are the
 only two i can think of off the top of my head.  By the way a hello to Aaron
 Oppenheimer.  You may not remember me---marched sop '86 and '87.

                                     timm knoerzer
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From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Drum Corps World
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 09:29:31 EDT
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In article <1992Nov4.100607.17083@husc3.harvard.edu> (alt.drumcorps), fath1@husc11.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
>Yes, it is a bit expensive but I think it is worth it!

Yes, and it has gone up inthe past few years.  But you're right, it's very 
worth it.

Thanks!

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From: greg@antizen (...the printer guy <greg@antizen>)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re:  Snare Technology
Date: 9 Nov 1992 11:29:56 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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>That was the Seneca Optimists

Geeezz, I would've never remembered that! I do now though....

>Do you remember Larry Narachi, who marched snare in 1977?

Absolutely! I taught a youth band for a short time with Larry. He lived
in dowtown San Jose for awhile and we stayed pretty connected. His sister
was a riot. We didn't get along too well in Knight Raiders some of the
time but were better friends years after.....

Those uniforms sucked, I had blocked that part out.....

Greg
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Meeting times for Corps Auditions?
From: cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:06:45 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City


It might be a good time now, to check when everyone is going to audition for
corps.  I know that I'd like to meet with all the people that will be trying
out for Star over Thanksgiving weekend.  So, if you're trying out for a corps,
post on here which corps and if you'd like to meet alt.drumcorps people there.

Any Star people, please post that you'll be there, so I can look for you!!!

This will also allow us to get some good off-season discussions about what
corps plan to do and all.  So, if you're trying out, please post here.

Thanks!

Chris
Star '93?????
Baritone
From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: snare Technology
Date: 11 Nov 1992 13:08:45 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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In article <1992Nov11.041317.1665@vela.acs.oakland.edu>,
fahalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) wrote (re: snare
technology):
 
|>In article <1992Nov9.224428.1@d0msu6.fnal.gov> jerger@d0msu6.fnal.gov writes:
 
|>>p.s. - hey Brad, we're still in second place in the Big 10 !!! (4-5, but
|>>that's a minor detail....)
|> 
Cool! I think we would be the worst team in history to ever be invited
>to a bowl game, but what the hell. BTW, did you know that MSU won the
|>marching perc competition at MBA again this year?
 
As a Wolverine, my first impulse is to snicker.  However, I think
that MSU is:  (1) Not necessarily the worst team to go to a bowl
game (Oklahoma went to the Sun Bowl in El Paso one year when it was
6-4-1, UCLA went to the ROSE BOWL in 1984 when it was 6-4-1 after
an 0-3-1 start--It was amusing to be ranked in both the top and
bottom 20 at the same time--and Michigan was 6-5 in 1984 when it
went out to San Diego to be crushed by BYU, giving BYU the National
Championship and UM a 6-6 record); (2) A true representative of
the quality of Big 10 football this year (8 teams are at or below
0.500); and (3) Exactly what the Holiday Bowl deserves!
 
As for MSU's percussion section, congratulations!  It is fearsome
and well-respected by Michigan's band.  Several UM band members
(including the past and current drum majors) are or were students
of mine and they thought it was quite an accomplishment for UM's
drum line to even be close to MSU's!  I didn't know that there
was a college division at MBA.  Who went and what were the scores? 
 
Have a good time in San Diego this December!
May MSU make the Boilermakers go Per-doo-doo and win their last
regular season game (against which team, I forget) to finish 6-5.
 
Vince
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: St.Angel and the Bird
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:03:50 GMT

In article <BxHEE9.DEw@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke) writes:
>Since I am a beginner on this newsgroup, I stilll don't know how to use past 
>messages in my message.  I'll learn soon.

If you're using rn, just type "F" to include the message text, and "f" to
leave it out. Welcome to the group!

>I think it was George who asked where I saw the Bird incident.  Look for it
>in the secomnd shot of the corps on the PBS tape.  They show a head on shot
>of the corps, then a side shot.  St.Angel is in the side dhot.  He is
>right outside the perscussion arc with a silver jacket on.

>I heard Phantom lost all their prize money for the championships 
>(It might just be a rumor I heard, I don't know).  It's hilarious!!
>
>Rob

I am sorry to hear this. I thought that maybe things had changed at
Phantom since I marched there, but it is obvious that they are still
brainwashing the kids with the "We got screwed again" bullshit. I
would never, ever recommend to a kid to march there.

--Brad.



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From: bjh42543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian J. Haag)
Subject: Re: Possible Shows for 93
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:39:53 GMT

fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:

>In article <BxJ0zs.Jq6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bjh42543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian J. Haag) writes:
>>
>>Cavies are doing Heroes Lost and Fallen (middle) and Ron Nelson's Morning
>>Alleluia (closer).  As of yet they have no opener.
>>
>>Brian J. Haag
>>bjh42543@uiuc.edu
>>bhaag@nyx.cs.du.edu
>>
>THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION!!
>How did you get it?  Are you marching with them?  I Jeff Fiedler to ask him and
>left a message but he didn't call me back yet.

>So please keep us informed.  
>BTW, who wrote Heroes Lost and Fallen?  Are either of these pieces available
>on CD?  

I don't know about CD recordings, but I'll check.  I know because a good friend
is their contra tech, Dean Westman.  Actually I'll be in Madison over Thanks-
giving, being a soprano player.  =)

I'll find out who wrote Heroes Lost and Fallen and post back.

Brian J. Haag
bjh42543@uiuc.edu
bhaag@nyx.cs.du.edu


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From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Madison address
Date: 11 Nov 1992 19:11:30 GMT
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Madison Scouts, P.O. Box 948, Madison, WI  53701
608-241-3171 (mornings)

I got this from the FAQ.  It is last year's but it should be OK.


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From: byork@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Todd Ryan & Voting info.
Date: 13 Nov 92 09:50:04 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <BxKJ3D.GEs@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, bjh42543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian J. Haag) writes:
> dsn41188@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (david nirschl) writes:
> 
>>ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:
> 
>>>Who is Todd Tyan.  If he is the man in charge of creativity, then I believe I 
>>>can tell you why he's gone.  Thom Hannum is going full time at Star, and along
>>>with him perc. caption head, I've heard that he is also in charge of the
>>>creative aspects of the show (whatever that is).
> 
>>You're right : Todd Ryan, from what I know, is moving back to Madison, where
>>he worked a few years back ( at least in '88, I think) or possibly to 
>>Phantom. Todd seemed to have a hard time adjusting to the head-drill writer
>>position from the secondary position he held behind George Zingali. As a 
>>member I think Todd is a great guy, but watching the video I'm not 
>>impressed with how the drill fits the music. 
> 
>>As far as other positions, Thom Hannum is perc. caption head, Brent
>>Montgomery is snare tech. (previously quad tech.), John Corley (incredible
>>Cadet bass drummer) is bass tech, and Chris Lee won't be back to do the
>>pit, but someone from cadets apparently is. Bob Dubinski, old perc. caption
>>head, will be in more of a "correspondent" position, spending less time 
>>with the corps, working on full corps ensemble stuff rather than working 
>>closely with the drumline. 
> 
>>-Dave Nirschl
> 
> Hi Dave.
> 
> Todd Ryan is going to Regiment, to replace (what's his first name?) Brazale.
> Two members of the guard staff are writing Scout's drill this year.
> 
> Brian J. Haag
> bjh42543@uiuc.edu
> bhaag@nyx.cs.du.edu
> 
> 
     THE SCOUTS ARE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME DRILL WRITER THAT THEY HAVE HAD
SINCE 1990. HE IS NOT A GUARD STAFFER, BUT A FORMER HORN LINE MEMBER OF THE
SCOUTS.
                  BARRY ( MADISON 1992 )
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: bjh42543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian J. Haag)
Subject: Re: Drill Writing Programs???
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:16:25 GMT

cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:


>I was wondering if anyone out there has any, or knows of any, IBM drill writing
>disk producers?  I have an apple program, but I don't know of any IBM
>compatible stuff.  I have plenty of hard drive space and VGA monitors and
>stuff.  So, any info (price, especially) on who to call or what you have would
>be greatly appreciated.

>Please respond through email or post a reply here.  Product reviews of what
>program you have or have heard of of or whatever would be great, too.

>Thanks!!

>Chris
>'93 Star?????
>Baritone
>Because all other horns are lesser  :)

There is a program that should be out by now called Quickstep for Windows.  The
Apple version is very good, and I saw a beta version of this one that looked 
fantastic.  Don't know anything about $.  Made by Edugraphics.

Also there is Pyware by Pygraphics (?) in Grapevine, Texas.  Not great, but it
gets the job done.  Probably cheaper, too.

Brian J. Haag
bjh42543@uiuc.edu
bhaag@nyx.cs.du.edu

Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: rbeckham@bnr.ca (Rick Beckham)
Subject: Re: Snare Technology
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:05:27 GMT

From crchh327!rbeckham Tue Nov 10 11:02:02 CST 1992
Article: 1866 of alt.drumcorps
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: rbeckham@bnr.ca (Rick Beckham)
Subject: Re: Snare Technology
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:48:49 GMT


  All this talk about the falams and whether they project/don't project as
well as silver-dots deserves some further reflection. Examining this
discussion from aspects such as '..air being displaced' seems to me a bit
on the long-road. Why not drag out the physics books and look up which
sound has a longer duration? If memory serves, the lower pitch has a
                                                   -----
    I meant higher pitch has the shorter duration. Sorry.

shorter duration (correct me if I'm wrong), therefore it will travel the	shortest distance.

  As for the falams I find that mistakes are easily masked (such as flat
flams) because of the high-pitched shorter duration sound. I've witnessed
quite a few lines (high school, college, drum corp) that in my opinion
received higher scores than they should've because of the falams.	

  The reminds me of the Ludwig HV snares from '81 (remember those?).
Phantom was the most exposed snare line that year (the sound projected
further, hence mistakes were more noticable), and they paid for it
with lower execution scores. My thoughts then were 'this is sort of
unfair, if every line used this snare Phantom would be in a higher
execution position'. Why do I say this? Because I remember other lines,
particularly the Bridgemen, dropping mistakes that went completely by
the judges without so much as a tick. But the same type error made by	
Phantom's snares stood out like a swollen thumb on a cartoon character.


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From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: DCI championship rings
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:33:16 GMT

In article <DRAPEAU.92Nov7002204@oglala.Stanford.EDU> drapeau@sioux.stanford.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.011738.10500@vela.acs.oakland.edu> bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) writes:
>
>   ... No one at Blue Devils marched all six
>   of the years they won. (Although the guard captain when I was there may
>   have marched 5 of them...her name escapes me at the moment).
>
>Laurel Hansen?  I know she was captain in '85, her age-out year, and
>she told me she was captain for some time before that (check out the
>shots of her all over the place in, let's see, '83?  '82?  Damn, I
>can't remember and I just saw the tape about three months ago).

Yep. That's her. She must have been there for about 5 years. She dated
Rob Sirat, the percussion section leader, in '85.

>Anyway, I met her last year at my old high school's band camp
>(Ferndale HS, in Washington State) and talked with her more at this
>year's camp.  She spent the past couple of fall season's as the band's
>guard caption head.  Great, great person.

She always seemed really nice, but I didn't know her to well...

--Brad.


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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: St.Angel and the Bird
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 00:07:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.035855.22998@hubcap.clemson.edu> rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry) writes:

>Well, I didn't march in PR, but I *did* march in corps that competed
>against them or stayed with them for several years.  We also had several
>staff members that had marched PR, and they were *real* slave drivers.

Who? Any drum staff?

>I marched in the Belleville Black Knights from 1977-1982 and in the
>Suncoast Sound in 1985.  (It was in Suncoast that I found out how
>snotty people from another corps can be.  We beat PR all season long
>with the exception of DCI East.  I congratulated a PR horn player on
>beating us - I know this sounds strange, but that's just how Suncoast
>was - and he got a shitload of his friends and jumped in my face about
>how we "were going down".  This is a large part of the reason Suncoast
>rejoiced when Spirit beat PR at finals.  Truly, this is one of my only
>bad memories of drum corps.)

1985 was the year I left. Man, that was the best decision I ever made.

>When did you march exactly Brad?

1981-82... Saginaires
1983-84... Phantom Regiment
1985...... Blue Devils
1981-86... Michigan State University Marching Band

We must have come pretty close to meeting in '85. I think we used your
pit equipment at the Cavaliers show after our drums burned up. :-(
I should say that there were a lot of very nice people that marched
Phantom. Not everyone bought into the hogwash that the staff preached.

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--Brad.


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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke)
Subject: Re: Possible Shows for 93
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:26:40 GMT

In article <BxJ0zs.Jq6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bjh42543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian J. Haag) writes:
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
>cogwynn@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>
>>Well some preliminary reports that I have heard say that Cavaliers are
>>considering "The Planets" for next year and Santa Clara is considering
>>selections from the movie "Far and Away".
>>Unconfirmed, but interesting to say the least.
>>Anyone else heard anything?
>
>>Chris O'Gwynn
>
>>PS - Anyone else going to the Star camp in November like to meet up?
>B
>
>>     Just let me know.
>
>Cavies are doing Heroes Lost and Fallen (middle) and Ron Nelson's Morning
>Alleluia (closer).  As of yet they have no opener.
>
Heroes Lost and Fallen??!!  I played it in high school, and it has no true
beat OR melody.  It is a great piece, though.  I wonder if the total
menaning/meaning of the piece will remain intact (it is a piece dedicated
to the 'heores lost and fallen' in the Vietnam War).  Interesting!!

Rob Dorocke


>Brian J. Haag
>bjh42543@uiuc.edu
>bhaag@nyx.cs.du.edu
>
From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Special Event Bands
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 10:08:48 EDT
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Somewhere back there, I wrote:
>I was in the Constitution band, and I wonder if I've met any of you
<snip!>
>...Art Bartner (?) of some Southern California
>school taught the horn line.

In article <DRAPEAU.92Nov7003523@oglala.Stanford.EDU> (alt.drumcorps), drapeau@oglala.Stanford.EDU (George Drapeau) writes:
>"some Southern California school"?!  Ouch, that hurts!

Sorry, I really just couldn't remember...

>Art's a dick.  Total asshole.  I was in the 'SC band one year
>(sophomore year, 1983).  The people were great, mostly.  Art was a
>major dick.  Still is.  Still, if you can believe it, I had a great
>year with the band.

Yeah, that was the impression I had too.  He had a certain something
about him that just made me want to play like Lawrence Welk.

>By the way, I'm betting that the drum instructor for the special event
>band(s) was Jay Wanamaker, who works for Yamaha but was percussion
>instructor for 'SC some time ago.  Small piece of personal info about
>Jay: he has a dog named "Paradiddle".

Bingo, that was him.  Good name for a dog.

Niel

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From: bjh42543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian J. Haag)
Subject: Re: Heroes lost and Fallen?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:45:48 GMT

Jeramia.Ory@launchpad.unc.edu (Jeramia Ory) writes:

>I just read that Cavies is doing Heroes Last and Fallen (sorry, my news
>reader can not include read articles, or else I would have just followed
>up to the original post)  Is the one written for wind ensemble in memory
>of the Vietnam vets?  If so, I will be _very_ interested in hearing it.  I
>played it in Wind Ensemble at Nebraska, and Ron (marched Star - baritone,
>for the last four years, if anyone is interested) and I decided it was one
>of the more challenging euphonium parts we played that year.  Great
>intensity at the end if done right, I was fighting back tears while
>playing the concert (kind of difficult to crescendo to a quadruple forte
>while goose bumps are standing up on your arms, your fighting back tears,
>and you look up and the director is doing the same).  Only got that
>feeling from one other place ... after a great show.  L8R 

Yes, it is the wind ensemble piece, and yes it is rather atonal/melodyless
in certain respects.  And yes, it is VERY difficult.  Rob, you must have played
in a hellacious high school band.  I played the piece here a couple of years
ago in the U of I Symphonic Band.  If anyone is interested, I'll see what I can
do about rounding up a recording.  Also, in response to an earlier post, I 
don't know anything else about the Ron Nelson piece's title.

Brian J. Haag
bjh42543@uiuc.edu
bhaag@nyx.cs.du.edu

>Jeramia  Ory
>ory@dccc.med.umn.edu
>ory@dc-crystal.med.umn.edu

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