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From: aq668@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Candy Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:33:11 GMT
Reply-To: aq668@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Candy Lee)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, t9114206@phillip.edu.au () says:

>In article <1992Sep30.084147.25129@nuscc.nus.sg>, eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE) writes:
>> Hello, the fine for not flushing toilets is $150, not $1000 as reported
>> in the previous article.
>> 
>Just wondering ! How do they know if you haven,t flushed the toilet ?
>Do they have a security camera hiddened somewhere ??????? 
>
>K.K
>

From what I heard, they have "toilet-detectives" patrolling them toilets.

Perhaps an ingenious way of utilizing the NS reservists when not in
preparation for war, eh???  :)  I also wonder how much "weight" such 
experience would carry in a resume.
--
From: eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:56:54 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

This is in response to the previous couple of entries. As far as I know,
there are NO toilet patrols, and there are NO vidoe cameras in the
public toilets. Yes, the law is not really enforcable in the strictest
sense, and in view of this, the law is quite stupid. But please! Just
because we have a couple of stupid laws doesn't mean that all our laws
are stupid! As they say in the army, wake up your idea! If you people
can conclude that it is stupid to have video cameras in public toilets,
don't you think that the leaders of Singapore, who are the brightest
that you can find anywhere in the world, will think likewise. Please,
unlike in some countries, mediocre people here do not hold public
office.
To Candy Lee from the Freenet in CWRU:
Hey, do not insult the reservists (which is essentially the entire adult
male population). All reservists hold jobs in the economy. They don't
have the time to be in some stupid toilet patrols. The army tries not to
recall people unless necessary. Please, say something that makes sense
and don't waste bandwidth.

THERE ARE NO VIDEO CAMERAS IN PUBLIC TOILETS, AND NO TOILET PATROLS!
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
---------------------------------------------------------
Tan Gim Wee
EE Dept, NUS
internet: eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg
bitnet: eng20009@nusvm.bitnet
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Subject: Re: Info on Mount & Kota Kinabalu
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:17:52 GMT
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Sep29.094018.18005@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

>You can but you may not get the "certificate" because it has to be verified 
>by the guide. There are also a lot of people who got lost and never to be
>found.
 ...
>	If you do not believe me, why don't you try?

I would like to.  Perhaps when I have earned enough to make a trip
to East Malaysia I will scale Mt Kinabalu, guided or otherwise.
(I don't think I want the certificate).  There is a walk in
New Zealand in which a certificate will be presented to you
if you complete the walk guided but I went unguided.  The walk is
the Milford Track (55Km long), also known to be one of the finest 
walks in the world.

Re: the Mt Kinabalu having 1/2 the world's plant species
>From Sabah newspapers which actually quoted one biologist or something.

This is very interesting.  Can you remember which newspaper the
article came from?  I would like to quote it for an article I 
am writing on the environment.

Re: Geo-thermal sites...
>What is that? Do you mean gushing steam? Maybe you can get the effect at
>poring but it was controlled there.

Volcanoes, hot springs, hot pools, hot mud pools, geisers (sp?).

Kinabalu National park sounds interesting (and tempting) enough 
for me to chance a visit...

Cheers.
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Dennis Chuah, BE (Elec)    | "One Country,  | The gunners: league
Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | champs 1992-1993!
Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | 
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"Pencangkul Matahari" email: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz
From: cho@cm2fe1.cs.sandia.gov (Kah-Song Cho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: SPM & SPMT
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:46:05 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Thinking Machines Corp.

As I recall when I took SPM in the late 60's (it was called SC back then),
only very few students in my high school got 4-5 A's and their names made
it to the newspapers.  It was SPMT (HSC then) time two years later, one of
my classmates got an A in Biology and the rests probably were in B's or
C's.  He was admitted to the medical school in MU!  Others were admitted to
engineering school with at most one A.

After the switch-over from SC/HSC to SPM/SPMT, there have been significant
numbers of students getting straight A's every year.  Does anyone out there
care to comment what's going on here?  Have the kids these days become
smarter, or the passing criteria in these exams have been lowered?  Please
bear with me if this is an ignorant question.  I have been away from home
for a long while (more exact 15 years) and I definitely am not in-sync with
what's going on back home anymore.





--

Kah-Song Cho
Thinking Machines Corp.
email: cho@think.com 
       cho@cs.sandia.gov
From: andyckh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Angela Siaw Hoon Kueh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: DR. MAHATHIR - HEART FAILURE?!?!?!
Date: 6 Oct 1992 16:01:52 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

shaik rizal (shaiksul@expert.cc.purdue.edu) wrote:
: Who the hell said that our PM had a heart attack? rumours like this can be fatal to our stock market. I know that most leaders would probably wish that our PM really does have a heart attack but I can assure you that the reason being that they are just jealous of the fact that a dynamic third world leader is taking
: a stand on what he believes is right for the goodness of mankind. It's about
: time that more leaders like Dr. Mahathir are born so that more countries will
: be more dynamic and not fall to the wants of so called Developed countries.
: For your info, our PM has had a bypass which went successfully so what I reckon
: is that he probably has a heart of a 25 year old...ready to bring Malaysia to
: far greater heights in the international scene. Rumours are merely rumours and
: even I can start one right now........do you know that George Bush once posed
: nude in Playgirl! Have a nice day.
 
THIS IS THE RESPOND TO THIS GENTLEMAN'S CRAP, FIRST OF ALL,I AM A
MALAYSIAN AND PROUD OF IT. NO ONE DENIES MAHATHIR HAS DONE A FANTASTIC
JOB SINCE HE TOOK OVER BUT 'JEALOUS...GOODNESS OF MANKIND....25 YEAR
OLD?? AREN'T YOU BEING A WEE BIT EXAGGERATING?ARE YOU 25 BY ANY CHANCE?
CAN'T YOU WRITE SOMETHING BY BEING OBJECTIVE AND LOGICAL?BY THE WAY, MY
TOES ARE STILL LAUGHING...25 YEAR OLD!
OH YAH,I HEARD THAT ONE ABOUT GEORGIE TOO,I PERSONALLY THOUGHT THAT HIS
TOOTSIES ARE TOO SMALL FOR PLAYGIRL,ARE YOU SURE SHAIK? GET A LIFE.
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: You want FAQ??? (Was Re: Where to test)
Date: 3 Oct 92 16:36:15 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Oct3.181346.1234@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann) writes:
[munched]
> 
> Anyone of you with disk-space and time to spare perhaps can maintain a
> FAQ for this group. Perennial questions like networks/email addresses
> in ASEAN are candidates for archival so is embassies/consulates
> info/addresses. 

	I keep hearing about "let's set up a faq" but so far, all sound and no
action.  So, please email me at UFLTAI@MSUVX1.MEMST.EDU or UFLTAI@MEMSTVX1 with
your ideas and factoids that should be included in the FAQ.  Any constructive
criticism is welcomed.  I will try and work out a FAQ and if I can't handle it
(I really have a shitty semester... *-( ) I will pass on what I have to anyone
who would like to maintain it.  Any information is gratefully accepted but I
don't guarantee a reply (I really really have a shitty semester... *-)) but I
will try my best to send you a thank you note at least.
	Please try to use the UFLTAI userid instead of just replying to this
posting (USTAI) as this account is having some quota problems right now... 
Guess I better do some spring cleaning soon... :)
	Some more ideas for the faq are the addresses of "international
student" associations in your country, as well as the "overseas alumni" and any
scholarship/work/general_info/etc/etc.  
	Ciao.

-Tai
ps:  If you do write to me, do let me know what's your disk quota, just
curious....  I have 10,000 blocks....  still not enough... :) :)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: clipper@gleep.csd.uwo.ca (Khun Yee Fung)
Subject: Re: School ranking (was Re: Test Sent)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, The University of Western
	Ontario, London, Ontario, Canada
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:56:16 GMT
	<BvDHGo.6Dp@ecf.toronto.edu> <1992Sep30.063949.7453@nuscc.nus.sg>

>>>>> On Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:39:49 GMT, kahchan@banana.iss.nus.sg (low
>>>>> kah chan) said:

low> 1.) RI
low> 2.) RGS
low> 3.) Dunman
low> 4.) Chinese High
low> (others firgotten)

low> I found it quite strange that well known schools like ACS and SJI were
low> not among the top ten.  I wonder what criteria were used.

Dunman was not famous in my days there, that is for sure. We were
number one Chinese school for ten years and nobody ever knew about us.
And poor too. Did not even have a library. Then 8% students came and
the name was changed to Dunman High. Then we had a air-conditioned
library. Then Language Labs, etc. Maybe I should go back for a look.

Khun Yee
An Alumnus of Dunman Government Chinese Middle School
--
Khun Yee Fung    clipper@csd.uwo.ca
Department of Computer Science
Middlesex College
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario
Canada N6A 5B7
Tel: (519) 661-6889
Fax: (519) 661-3515
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: Blackout in Singapore and West Malaysia
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 05:56:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.015651.2786@nuscc.nus.sg> matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Mcinnes B T (Dr)) writes:
>
>HA HA HA HA HA     Excuse me , I'm terribly sorry, but I just read your
>brilliant letter about theology and big bang cosmology and about how
>atheists are all potential criminals: and then to see you writing this
>induced an uncontrollable urge to laugh. Please don't be put off, your
>letters are by far the funniest on this group. Thank you.

Dear Professor: 

I must applaud you on your keen sense of judgement. You must understand 
our friend  qouted below have a mind as sharp as that of a fox. He is
indeed a very learned man as he has traveled and live in many continents,
has held scholarship and is very widely read.
Thanks again for pointing out the obvious. Do frequent our group again.

Humbly yours,
-Mann

>
>
>
>: people must still be protected, because they are Malaysians.
>: 
>: : them.
>: Like invading Malaysia and take away Malaysia territory forever, instead of
>: doing it silently?
>: 
>: --
>: Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>: Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>: Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>: Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
>: 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tsuanian@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: FOOD!!! (Was Re: Let's cut the crap....)
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 00:55:13 GMT

In article <gemtzne00WBN87fXIk@andrew.cmu.edu>, Azleena Salleh <as5h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> user tsuanian@cc.curtin.edu.a writes:
>>Anyway could somebody out there tell me if its possible to make
>>lemang without the bamboo?  Surely it's not just 'Pulut' and 
>>coconut milk cooked under pressure????
>>Ian
> 
> Well, I've actually done it by just rolling the (cooked) pulut up in a
> cylinder, and putting it in the oven (minus the cylinder, that is) --
> not a gourmet version, but just divine for a lemang- and rendang-starved
> person like me!


Great, now could you please tell me what goes into the pulut?????

I haven't had a decent lemang in over 8 years and if I don't have one soon, I'm going to explode!!!.


Ian
> 
> 
> *******************************************************
> Azleena Salleh
> Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh.
> 
> "It is a world completely rotten with wealth, power, senility,
> indifference, puritanism and mental hygiene, poverty and waste,
> technological futility and aimless violence... and yet I cannot help
> but feel it has about it something of the dawning of the universe."
> - Jean Baudrillard
> 
> *******************************************************
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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Samyvellu and MIC
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:29:13 GMT

subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) writes:
: 
: You right, Samyvellu has gone to an extreme case. Majority of Indian community

"majority"? How come he was elected into office ahead of another contender,
who was very poor but reasonably capable. What was his name?

: wanted him to be removed from the politics arean. It's time for Samyvellu to
: step out and let somebody else to do contribution.
: 
: Samy has done a lot of good things in the past for indian community. I respect
: him for that. This past three years his performance has been getting worst
: and his actions are ridiculous. All I can say about him is that he is being
: selfish about the Presidential position. He wants to stay there until he dies.

From what I read in the newspapers and in this newsgroup, Samy had not done
anything wrong. After all, he is a politician. Everything that he had done is
legal(?).
	He may have done a lot of good things in the past. His apparent attempt
to "stay until he dies" like Mahathir is his major crime.
	What makes them do this? Look at the past "sporting" leaders like
Tunku Abdul Rahman, Tun Razak, Hussein Onn, Datu Onn. Anyone remberber their
past good deeds. 
	The only thing they remember are their mistakes. Anyone can
make mistake. Their courage to step down and prepare a competent "heir" were
their strengths. Please note that they were "british educated".
	Again the problem is not the leaders, rather "our Asian culture". I note
a lot of similarities in culture in all the races in malaysia.
	What makes you think that Dr Mahathir wants to step down soon? The
key words were " will step down when people do not need me". Remember the post
about his health? Posters and I bet Malaysians of all races were shocked and
worried, as though there are no other leaders to replace him?
	Ask your self? Who is to be blamed?

: There is going to be a rally from Batu Caves to Dr. Mahathir's office next 
: month suggesting for Samy's resignation. The committe which is organizing this
: rally is expecting around 10,000 people to show up. They also, got the police
: permit to conduct this rally.
	Rallying is not democratic. Stop him in elections. Why don't you join
politics? If you think you lose, don't blame Samy, he is still in demand.
	It is not democratic for Dr. Mahathir to remove Samy when he is still
respected by the majority of Indians or even other people.

: 
: Step out Samy...... Give the way to the new generation !
:  

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia)
Subject: Re: Info on Mount & Kota Kinabalu
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:51:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.114644.3649@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

(Stuff deleted)

> Recycling is only necessary if the environment is badly mutiliated, like
> klang river. Singapore river had been cleaned and the laws are enforced
> to not allow it to be polluted again.
> 	It is a very beautiful river. Nicer than river Tames and Tokyo
> river.

I agree. The Singapore River does look and smell better than before.
However, has anyone EVER caught any fishes from it. I remember sepnding
several nights there without catching anything after reading a S.T. 
articles on fish and prawns being found in the river - or was it 'con-job'
to convince people that the river was rehabilitated.

Edmund
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Subject: Re: New newsgroup for the military diehards?
Reply-To: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:20:29 GMT


In a previous article, ongh@iastate.edu (NightOwl) says:

[munchety-munch]

>
>If I'm not wrong, s.c.a stands for social.culture.asean ...culture, 
>nothing to do with weapons, eh?.
>And when asked to talk about some other subjects, how often do we hear the
>subject "f-o-o-d" coming up? It seems like there is nothing else interesting
>in the asean region that is really worth talking about except food. Interesting


Since I was the one who started the f-o-o-d thread, I guess you must be
referring to me. My respond is why don't you start a new thread on your own
instead of trying to get your name in here by "living off other people's
acticles"???


>How about stuff like social issues? Like how in this part of the world are 
>liberal views taken? Are we still as conservative as the Westerners see
>us? etc....

Pleeeaseee...two sentences and you expect a follow-up discussion???


>Food....Mig29s...F16s..... :D

Net parasites...  :D




ATAN



>Hank
>ongh@iastate.edu
>
>
>
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Illegal March by 1000 Indians at Batu Caves
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:12:21 GMT

I read at Singapore(?) newspapers a few days ago that 1000 indians(?) 
marched at Batu Caves without a permit to protest against Samy Velu.
	I remember Anand saying that the march will be attended by 10000.
Obviously Not many are against Samy Velu..
	It  only shows the mentality of Malaysians. They prefer well known
elements rather than risk with new unknown leaders. However the Chinese
chief minister of Penang is very young, much younger than Anuar Ibrahim.
	

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: s907487@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Chang Onn Lai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Looking friends from SIBU
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:51:19 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
Summary: Looking friends from SIBU
Keywords: friends

 The subject says it all, I am interested to make pals from SIBU, Sarawak
 study overseas.

 Do write to me if you are from SIBU only.


 Chang Onn Lai

 email : s907487@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
From: ecngo@vax1.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: SCDOWN
Date: 3 Oct 92 21:07:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: vax1.1992Oct3.150747.1
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

hfgh
From: psgoh@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au (Pauline S.C. Goh)
Subject: Re: DR. MAHATHIR - HEART FAILURE?!?!?!
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 00:13:36 GMT

In article <BvJAp9.GIG@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, shaiksul@expert.cc.purdue.edu (shaik rizal) writes:
>
>Who the hell said that our PM had a heart attack? rumours like this can be fatal to our stock market. I know that most leaders would probably wish that our PM really does have a heart attack but I can assure you that the reason being that they are just jealous of the fact that a dynamic third world leader is taking
>a stand on what he believes is right for the goodness of mankind.

Hey, Sharik...I'm sure this false rumour started quite innocent enough and I 
really don't think blame should be attributed to anybody.

I near had a heart attack myself when I first came across such news 2 weeks
ago. Malaysia will have a great lost if anything were to happen to our
Prime Minister. I personally feel he is by far the most aggressive and with
a man of great foresight. He has made Malaysian heard throughout the big
blue marble. And may he continue to do so. 

And yes, he has caused some stir. Nevertheless, I am yet to find out whether
other world leaders are 'jealous' ?? 

And this sentence about - 'goodness of mankind' - well it is open for some
debate, don't you think so ......hmm...??

>Rumours are merely rumours and
>even I can start one right now........do you know that George Bush once posed
>nude in Playgirl!

That is not very nice...,although I have nothing for or against George Bush.
If we abhor such malicious rumours, then we should not condone by creating one
ourselves.

G.
From: tva@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: LOOKING FOR: CHUA SIEW LEE(MALAYSIAN)
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:26:30 GMT
Organization: Mankato State University

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From: ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (Old Wolf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: 5 Oct 92 08:25:43 GMT
Reply-To: ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

I feel that I must add my opinion to this topic.

First, let me say that I am from the UK, and that I
have family in Singapore and Malaysia.

I am in full agreement with Miss Chee Mei Yeoh, who
replied to Mr. Godfrey's comments most aptly.

The important aspects regarding Singapore's government
is that it strives to do the best that it can for the
country and its people. It selects what it sees as an
appropriate policy (may not always be the most sensible,
but there are always problems), and it then puts that
policy into action. Democracy is to be applauded, but it
is also necessary to get things done.

This is in striking contrast to the UK. The government
here only SOMETIMES selects a sensible policy, and even
when it manages to do that, it half-heartedly tries to
make it work (so it usually fails).

A comparison between the standards of living in the two
countries says a great deal about the people, and not just
the laws that are active.

I have seen the good and bad sides of Singapore, UK, (and
Malaysia).

Given the chance, I would emmigrate.
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