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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:29:54 EST
From:         PRIVATEER@RIO.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Education & Virtual Reality

Times and new epistemological configurations demand new languages.
I've read that Sacramento uses of hypercard is "low end" VR.
I'd like to see how they do that. I have been working with the
Odyssey Project for two years now and hypertextuality simulates
cognitive modalities but it never self-consciously puts them
in question as, I assume, VR can do, at least self-reflectively.
At any rate, do we think that the time is ripe for a national
conference on VR and education? THis is my last urging.


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From: BNOBLE@UMKCVAX1.BITNET (stat-RX)
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Subject: Re: Center for Tech Planning
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:29:49 GMT
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I am interested in technology based learning systems.  This university
is revising its Educational Technology offerings at the garaduate level.

bnoble@vax1.umkc.edu
Elizabeth Noble
University of Missouri-Kansas City
816-235-2453
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:12:22 EST
From:         MARYGARRETT@lcc.edu
Subject:      Re: Simple/cheap laserdisc control software for PC?

Vagus from the Purdue Education Foundation if FREE for education.  Contact
O.F. Roesel, DVM, phd
Dept Vet. Phy & Pharm
School of Veterinary Medicine
Purdue University`West Lafayette, In 47907

E-Mail Roesel@vet.purdue.edu

Last time I contacted him, the program was free to anyone in education,
but a copy of all work was to be submitted to Purdue for FREE
use on their campus (if desired)

I also have a "home made" laser disk controler which works ONLY on XT type
PCs with the pioneer 6000 series.  It may also work with 42000.  I have not
had a chance to test it on that.  If you want it (bugs and all) I'll share,
but I make no gaurantees as to its quality.  It works for us.

Mary Garrett   marygarrett@lcc.edu
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:18:12 EST
From:         Bruce Carter <bcarter@claven.idbsu.edu>
Subject:      Re: MMEDIA-L Address

Greetings,

>Does anyone have the correct INTERNET address of MMEDIA-L@VMTECMEX
>
>I tried a likely internet address for this bitnet node but it was not
>correct.  Any assistance would be appreciated.

I don't have a direct address, but going through

'MMEDIA-L%VMTECMEX.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU'

works.
                                     <->
Bruce Carter, CBI Product Development                bcarter@claven.idbsu.edu
Simplot/Micron Instructional Technology Center       amccarte@idbsu (Bitnet)
Boise State University, Boise, ID  83725             (208)385-1851@phone
From: SBCOLT01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU
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Subject: Simple/cheap laserdisc control software for PC?
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:38:13 GMT
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For inexpensive laservideo disc control for a 640K (low end) computer, I
recommend Linkway v2.0 which is easy to use. You may also need the developers
kit for the laservideo disc control add-on feature. One or both can be ordered
from IBM and your local rep can recommend the exact selection to fit your
needs. Linkway v2.0 is $102 and the Development Toolkit is $300 on the NEP
(education) price list.

Sincerely
Sharon B. Colton           (SBCOLT01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU)
University of Louisville, IT/IS ED139, Louisville, KY 40292
Phone:(502)588-5432                      FAX: (502)588-0726
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:23:02 EST
From:         Richard Everman <reverman@ka.reg.uci.edu>
Subject:      Re: Education & Virtual Reality

> ......... I ask Mark, where did you learn teachers are becoming
> increasingly more like barriers to students' learning? Did you ask the
> students themselves or did you just assume this is the case? I am currently
> doing a study about faculty's use of computers in their teaching, which
> involve talking to students. What I hear from such students contradict what
> you said about teachers. The students that I talked to see their teachers as
> very much part of their learning from technology. They don't see the teachers
> being replaced by technology any time at all.

Remi
In "... doing a study about faculty's use of computers in their teaching", did
you have a controll group, i.e., did you ask the same questions of students in
classes where the faculty are NOT using computers in teaching?

Thanks
Richard
reverman@ka.reg.uci.edu
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:34:52 EST
From:         MAXSON@GC.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Simple/cheap laserdisc control software for PC?

You might try Toolbook/Windows.  We use it here at Glendale College with
great success...

Paul Maxson
Glendale College Innovation Center
MAXSON@GC.BITNET
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Subject: NEW IPEnet (from DEVEL-L)
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:29:20 GMT
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 10:45:33 EST
From: "(lev gonick f)" <lgonick6@MACH1.WLU.CA>
To: Multiple recipients of list DEVEL-L <DEVEL-L@auvm.bitnet>
Subject: NEW IPEnet

I am pleased to announce that a new listserv discussion group, IPE, has been
established.

IPEnet is an electronic discussion list that will allow persons around
the world interested in International Political Economy to discuss matters
of mutual concern. IPE is an unmoderated and open list. This means
that all messages posted to the list will be automatically redistributed
around the world.

Possible topics for discussion on the list might include any of the
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1) Substantive discussion over topics such as NAFTA, regional trading blocs,
trade regimes, international debt, long cycles, historical world systems,
EEC, currency and market crises, democracy and governance in Latin and South
America, Africa and Asia, commodity negotiations.

2) Comment and contributions on curriculum questions; suggested texts, new
articles of common interest for course-related adoption.

3) Circulation of draft articles for comment and discussion.

4) Personal exchanges in the effort to develop a greater sense of community
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Mail to: mailserv@csf.colorado.edu
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:23:23 EST
From:         "Michael Gaffney, Dunedin NZ" <EDUCJMG@otago.ac.nz>
Subject:      Re: multimedia definitions

Thanks Mark Whitman for your response and your mention of the Smith &
Jones example of using multimedia to teach chemistry to university freshman

There is an issue that arises (possibly from my misunderstanding) what does
the multimedia replace.  Mark mentions that the multimedia replaces the lab
component in the example he describes.  Is this the hands on part of the
course? What other components are there to such a course e.g. lecturing,
tutorial etc. Will the freshmen spend more time in the chemistry lab in
the second year? What of those who do not take chemistry beyond year one
maybe because it is a prerequisite for another course?

The chemistry course that I referred to previously had a lecture component
of two hours a week, a tutorial of one hour per week and a practical session
of two hours a week.  As a result of using the multimedia the tutorial and
practical sessions remain unchanged and the lecture time was totally replaced
by the multimedia.  The students all use the computer programme at the same
time, they review lesson objectives together and then individually work on
the computer the teacher moves around the room assessing their progress
and discussing individually any points that arise.  When the teacher feels
that the class has an understanding of the work the next topic is introduced.

So in this case the the multimedia has replaced the lecture not the hands on
sessions.  the teacher reports that one of the advantages has been that
apparatus to be used in the lab is introduced via multimedia leaving more
time for the students to do their work rather than listening to the teacher
explaining how the apparatus works.

So once you have decided what multimedia is going to replace if anything
(some just leave it in the library as an optional lesson review possbility)
one then needs to work out the classroom organization details.  Does the
teacher need to be present when the computer programme is used, does it
have to be used in class time, should students work individually so teachers
can use the computer to assess them or is group work more beneficial around
the computer.

Many Questions to ask and many answers that will work
and just when you thought you had got worked out
a new piece of technology comes along so we have to ask again
Isn't it fun.

Michael Gaffney
Ed Dept
Otago University
New Zealand
educjmg@otago.ac.nz
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:24:59 EST
From:         TMILLS@UCONNVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: MMEDIA-L Address

Don't know whether it's the same, but there is a list MMEDIA@ICNUCEVM.
                Ted Mills
                TMILLS@UCONNVM
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:22:32 EST
From:         "Phil M. Jones" <pjones@rvgs.vak12ed.edu>
Subject:      Re: DOS BACKUP

Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Roanoke)

"George.Allen"  writes:
> In times past, the DOS BACKUP command was generally scorned as being both
> unhelpful and unreliable.  Is this true of recent versions of DOS?  Since
> BACKUP comes free with DOS, I'd appreciate hearing from others as to any
> problems that may be associated with its use.  Many thanks.
>
> George Allen <alleng@msu.edu>
> Director for Learning Technology
> College of Nursing, Michigan State University

        The DOS BACUP command is is slow and complicated. It
does work though. You would have money well spent to use a
utilities program such as PCTOOLS Deluxe not only are the files
backed up they are compressed (if desired) as well [I think the
use PKZIP and PKUNZIP technology to do it. DOS 5.0 and 4.0 use
a Shell program and you don't necesarily have to type the
commands by hand; but, I don't see all that much difference in
speed.

End of Message:
Signed:
Phil M. Jones, CET
Audio-Visual Service and Maintenance Technician
Henry County Public Schools
pjones@rvgs.vak12ed.edu

PS: I'm partial to Apple Macintosh myself don't have to worry
about all that system junk!!!
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:57:23 EST
From:         JAMESC@EDTECH1.ED.SCAROLINA.EDU
Subject:      Re: Speech Synthesis unit

joe-

what kind of computers will you be using?  depending on what kind of
computer you have you may have several options.  echos are the most
inexpensive speech synthesizers available so anything else you
purchase will cost more.  please let us know about your computers and
we can give you some ideas.  hope to hear from you:-)

jimmy crosby
center for excellence
univ of sc
803-777-9033                JAMESC@EDTECH1.ED.SCAROLINA.EDU
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:05:18 EST
From:         Brian E Murfin <bmurfin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject:      re: education and virtual reality

     It is well known that most secondary school students are at the concrete
operational level and have difficulty with abstract concepts.  I would not
advocate replacing hands-on experience with VR in most cases.  BUT, there are
certain instances where it might prove invaluable.  For example, introducing
particle theory to students.  What if students could actually touch, hold and
manipulate atoms, molecules and electrons instead of looking only at flat 2-d
drawings or static tinker-toy models?  In Howard Rheingold's book on VR he
desrcribes how VR is used by drug designers to locate possible molecular
binding sites for new drugs.  VR could possibly serve as a bridge between
concrete, real objects and more complex abstract concepts.  In addition,
dangerous objects which a student could never even experience in real life,
coudl be made available.  An example would be a collection of animals, i.e. a
student could open the mouth of different types of poisonous snakes and
observe the differences in dentition and hinging of the jaws.
     One major limitation of VR would be how well it can actually simulate
the real thing.  If it is just another souped-up video image then it probably
won't have much effect.  If it can genuinely involve ALL the senses then an
educational revolution might just be on the way.

Brian Murfin
Ohio State University

bmurfin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:26:30 EST
From:         Gerry White <GERRYW@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Another lurker comes in from the cold

Hello everybody!

I have been a subscriber to this listserv for about two months now and
have finally gotten up enough nerve to see if I could send a message
without screwing anything up.  I am a graduate student at Purdue University
in the Instructional Development/Educational Computing section of the School
of Education.  At present I am an ABD, interested in qualitative issues
regarding Distance Computing Education.

My current plans are to examine the transcripts of a distance computing course
being offered by Purdue University on the issue of educational restructuring.
We will be offering this course to teachers, administrators, and interested
others in the state of Indiana.  I am planning on examining the types of
communication that occur in the context of the course.

Specifically, I am interested in the "direction" of the communication as it
occurs, an examination of the SES characteristics of the participants who
emerge as leaders in the "discussion" that occurs as a result of the class,
and what types of communication occur during the curation of the class.

I am sure that there are many other issues that I can examine as I analyze
these transcripts.  This is where all of you (or as my relatives from the
south would say, "ya'll") can give me some help.  Can you give me some other
ideas of issues that I can look at during the course of my research?  Please
be in touch!

Gerry White
BITNET address = GERRYW@PURCCVM
INTERNET address = GERRYW@vm.cc.purdue.edu
From: f_rushingrg@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
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Subject: Re: Risographs ?
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:32:45 GMT
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>My department is currently looking into a replacement for
>our aging photocopier and for our even older ditto machine.
>I've seen several references on EdTech to the Risograph, but
>know nothing about it and have never previously heard of it.
>Can someone post the name and address of the manufacturer so
>that I can request some literature? Thanks.
>
>Ian M. Richmond, Department of French, University of Western Ontario,


I asked the original question about the Risographs--and received several
favorable replies from the list  (Thanks!).

A salesperson just dropped one off yesterday pm for us to evaluate.  From
his quick operations demo, it seems to be farily easy to operate.  The
copies he ran off were quite good, including a halftone photograph.  The
machine seems to be clean: ie--no messy toner carts, ect to get all over
the operator.  It really cranks out the copies, too (claims to run at 100+
copies per minute).

I asked him about the computer interface kit--he didn't know, and didn't
furnish one-- but had some literature.  It lists for about $5k.  The info
says that it uses Microsoft's "TrueImage" postscript language.  I always
get a bit shakey when fooling with postscript compatability (even with
Adobe's own...).  We'll see--  The interface supports serial (232 and 422),
AppleTalk, and SCSI.  Both Apple LaserWeriter and HP PCL are supported.
THe unit also functions as a scanner,when connected via SCSI.

If anyone is interested in more comments, drop me a note and I'll send them
directly to ya'--


Enough from me--Ian asked about a source.  The address on the literature is:

RISO, Inc.
300 Rosewood Drive, SUite 210
Danvers, MA  01923
508) 777-7377


                                Ron Rushing
                             --Supervisor--
Education Media Center          Stephen F. Austin State University
PO Box 6172                           Nacogdoches, TX  75962
409) 568-1424                       409) 568-1475 (FAX)
                    f_rushingrg@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
From: ngray@NMSU.Edu ((Nolan Gray))
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Subject: Re: Simple/cheap laserdisc control software for PC?
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:41:39 GMT
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In the PC environment, the only cheap, reasonably simple solution that I
know of is LINKWAY.  LINKWAY is an IBM product and can be obtained from
your local IBM rep.  I believe the cost is less than $100.  There are
other products like Toolbook by Asymetrix, which is much more like
HyperCard but costs 3 or 4 times as much as LINKWAY.  Also I find
Toolbook to be intolerably slow.

Nolan Gray
Learning Resource Center
New Mexico State Univ.

ngray@nmsu.edu
From: EDUCJMG@otago.ac.nz (Michael Gaffney, Dunedin NZ)
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Subject: Re: multimedia definitions
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:29:12 GMT
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Harold
In response to some of the thoughts that are coming through i would like
to offer the idea that multimedia will not replace in total or even large
parts existing teaching methods but compliment them.  There are many ways
of learning about the same topic of which Multimedia is one of the
possibilities.  The thing to look out for are those occassions when multi-
media applications start to do it better, what curriculum areas can it
enhance.  People are still pushing the boundaries on this matter and so
tommorrow holds new possbilities.  I have just recieved a report from a
person that is using Hypercard with video graphics to teach tertiary
chemistry.  He has found that time on computer has replaced the need for
lecturing on a lot of the fundamental chemistry teaching and has provided
more time for teaching applied chemistry which the course is about.

The other direction for multimedia is not in the way teachers can present
material to students but that the students can use multimedia to organize
their learning in a product form that they can share with other.  Research
is now starting to consider how such an application can extend students
cognitive and meta cognitive development.  I see this as an extension to
what databases are achieving in the classroom.  The other handy aspect of
student constructed multimedia is that it reflects how students conceptual-
ize the subject matter and thus allowing the teacher to assess where children
are at, what they have learned and thereby develop appropriate lessons to
build on what they have just done.

I hope this might provide you with something to ponder.

Michael Gaffney
Ed Dept
Otago University
New Zealand
educjmg@otago.ac.nz
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:27:06 EST
From:         brochman@sfu.ca
Subject:      Re: multimedia definitions

>The other direction for multimedia is not in the way teachers can present
>material to students but that the students can use multimedia to organize
>their learning in a product form that they can share with other....
>I hope this might provide you with something to ponder.
>
>Michael Gaffney

With *this* I concur wholeheartedly. I do this myself. Constructivism?
From the computer of  Harold Brochmann (604) 926-6716 (h)
Teacher
North Vancouver School District. (British Columbia)
                   brochman@sfu.ca
From: SAYIN@TRMETU.BITNET (Dr.Erol Saayin)
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Subject: Re: Risographs ?
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:24:27 GMT
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We are using Risograph's on our campus since three years.  They are very good.
The latest models 5600 and 5800 have also computer interface.  You can attach
to them a sorter, a key/card counter, a job separator, a digitizer, color t.
Their address in USA is:
Riso Inc.
300 Rosewood Drive, Suite 210
Danvers, Massachusetts 01923
Phone: (508) 777 7377
Fax: (508) 777 2517
Dr.Erol Sayin
Vice Secretary General
Middle East Technical University
06531 Ankara/TURKEY

SAYIN@TRMETU
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From:         Loretta Jones <ljones@dijkstra.UnivNorthCo.EDU>
Subject:      IVD software

A good, very simple to use, but powerful software package for controlling
videodiscs players in lecture presentations is PODIUM, available from the
University of Delaware.  Unlike most other interactive videodisc controllers,
PODIUM was created specifically for the purpose of lecture presentation of vid
videodisc images and clips.  You can get information via internet at
"fth@udel.edu" or BITNET at "cry02737@udelvm".  This will connect you directly w
with the developer, Fred Hofstetter.  You can also call 302-831-8164.

Loretta L. Jones
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
University of Northern Colorado
ljones@dijkstra.UnivNorthCo.EDU
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