From: mfm0@ellis.uchicago.edu (martin frederic melhus)
Subject: Re: Holocaust Almanac: Babi Yar & The Jews of Kiev...            
Keywords: Babi Yar,Kiev,Radomski,Syrets
Reply-To: mfm0@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:51:54 GMT

In article <see refs> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>
>I am glad you ttook the trouble to tell everyone how to think about what
>I said.  You sound just like Rush Limbaugh.

Egad, I hope not.  RL is pretty far to the right, if I understand what
I've heard about him.  A few points need clearing up, though.

A) I didn't tell anyone how to think about anything.  I just told them a
   bit about what I think.  As always, I hope that the readers are
   capable of thinking for themselves.  But of course, if they were,
   people who spout pseudo-scientific nonsense, such as B-CPU, wouldn't
   be as much of a problem as they are.

B) As I see it, one of the main purposes of newsgroups is to exchange
   information, and another is to have intelligent discussion.  Implicit
   in either of these is that people will write what they think, and
   respect what they read.  So to put down one's thoughts on any matter
   is an attempt to discuss it. 

>It was only partly a joke.  In fact I only look in this group occassionally
>and all I seem to see is postings touting the usual, plitically correct view
>of the holocaust in stead of articles by revisionists touting revisionist
>views.  There doesn't seem to be any point in the newsgroup if there is no
>revisionist viewpoint.  There is no one to argue with.  It would be like 
>alt.creationism if only evolutionists posted.  

A few more points:

C) Most netters consider it bad manners to post in a group that one doesn't
   read regularly.  There are, of course, exceptions.  I'm pretty sure that
   this isn't the first time that Mr. Schmidling has been accused of poor
   net manners, but from what I've seen in the holocaust-type groups, he's
   been fairly well behaved over the last few months.

D) Once upon a time, there were revisionists posting here.  But they were
   unable to put up any serious arguments, unable to post any references
   that gave significant evidence that their views were accurate, and were
   basically laughed off of the net.  Reports seem to indicate that they
   are currently on Genie, posting the same neo-nazi garbage that people
   here poked holes in with ease.  But just last week, a different voice
   sprang up claiming the whole thing to be a hoax.  So, even though the 
   traffic is reduced, there still seems to be some point to this group.

C) Despite the current wave of PC bashing, there are still major differences
   between being PC and being true.  What is at issue here is the loss
   of about 13,000,000 lives, and whether this was a result of planned
   genocide or not.  Next to issues like that, I don't give a flying f--k
   about being PC.

>>P.S. - How are your daughter's wedding plans going, Jack?
>
>She is now Vicki Greenberg.  We are having an open house party for them
>on Oct 23.  They ran off to Colorado to get married (much to my delight) and
>the party is sort of after the fact but should be great fun. Good chance for theNNazis and the hymies to get together and share the World's Greatest Beer.  I
>have 3 kegs of homebrew ale and lager and a keg of hard cider.  

Congratulations.  More about the language later.

>
>You're welcome to come.  As I pointed out before my mother pronounced my
>homebrew, "Kosher enough".
>
>Thank you for the thoughts. I was of course in jest using those nasty words but
>whether I use them or not, I get accused of it so I might as well havefun.
>
>js

Have to disagree on that one, Jack.  If you use the words, you deserve to be
accused of it.  If you don't use the words, and get accused of it, then
resort to copies of the post.  Challenge others to go back and read the
original and the citations to it.  If all is well, truth will come out on
top, and you'll look better for it.  (Yes, I am familiar with the Shein
incident.)  
And what fun is it to use those words?  What does this say about you, and
your character?  I will leave the readers to draw their own conclusions.

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