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From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Subject: Re: Needed:  Landscape Design Software
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 04:07:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article Lawrence.London@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Lawrence London) writes:

>In article noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:

>>I'd like to find all the available software (payware, shareware, or freeware)
>>that is specifically written for doing landscape design and/or architecture.
>>My computer is a 486 pc running DOS 5.0

>I posted a fairly complete list of commercial and shareware programs
>a month or so ago; maybe someone saved it and can repost it for you.
>I have the file on my HD but uploading it again to the newsgroup via modem
>is too time consuming for now. I am hoping for a mailing list where 
>access to such information plus any FAQ's that are written can be had through
>e-mail.

Yes, I'd like to get this list.  The article apparently is expired at
netcom, so if anybody out there has it, could you send it to me?  

Thanks.

Jon Noring


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From: mclellan@bcrka381.bnr.ca (Scott McLellan)
Subject: 3D design of printed circuit boards
Keywords: 3D CAD PCB
Reply-To: mclellan@bcrka381.bnr.ca (Scott McLellan)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:33:23 GMT

I am interested in finding out if anyone is developing or using a full
3D package
for capturing the design of printed circuit boards. It would have to contain a
complete profile of the design and the physical properties of the
components or 
other mechanical piece parts on the printed circuit board.

I know that PTC (ProEng) and Mentor are working on a interface but I am
more interested
in a complete 3D package for mechanicals and printed circuit boards.

If you have any information please email or call.

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From: gilem@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile)
Subject: Re: Needed:  Landscape Design Software
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:11:26 GMT

In article <x6an8y+.noring@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
>Hello,
>
>I'd like to find all the available software (payware, shareware, or freeware)
>that is specifically written for doing landscape design and/or architecture.
>My computer is a 486 pc running DOS 5.0
>

When I was at MacWorld a couple of weeks ago, I saw a demonstration
of a package by Alias called UpFront.  This has to be the most useful
program I have ever seen (commercially available) for architecture.
It is so flexible, they call it the world's first 3D napkin!  It is
fast, and does shading and shadows.  The commercial price was about 
$800 list, with substancial educational discounts available also.
If you are not familiar with Alias, they are the leaders in 3d 
technology, and their programs are widely used to create special effects
in the film industry (examples being Terminator 2 and the Abyss)
If you would like more info, email me.

Mike (gilem@rpi.edu)







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From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
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Subject: Needed:  Landscape Design Software
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:47:45 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Hello,

I'd like to find all the available software (payware, shareware, or freeware)
that is specifically written for doing landscape design and/or architecture.
My computer is a 486 pc running DOS 5.0

Your references and recommendations will be highly appreciated.

Jon Noring

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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 10:54:47 UTC+1000
From:         Peter Clark <Clark@RMIT.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: User Interface?, Hardware?
X-To:         aheisey@NEXT.COM, Andy_Heisey@next.com,
              autocad@ohstvma.acs.ohio-state.edu

>Date:          Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:08:12 GMT
>Reply-to:      Andy_Heisey@next.com
>Subject:       User Interface?, Hardware?

>Having never seen Auto-Cad, what is the UI like? What are the differences
>between it running on a Mac or 386? I am trying to decide between
>upgradeing my mac IIcx(2/40, 14" monitor),or would it be cheaper to
>buy a whole new 386 based system? >>thx, Andy

...release 12 for the Mac has no shipping date yet in Oz...(release
11 for the Mac is available)...if you decide to use Release 12 in a
DOS environment I suggest a 486/33 or better with the Autodesk
recommended minimum 8Mb RAM (12 if you want windows, 16mb if your
drawings are routinely 1-3meg...)...if I was about to buy a Mac I'd
think of a Quadra with at least 16mb...these remarks are made on the
assumption that when all the rhetoric about exotic features dies
down, speed per dollar is the ultimate indicator... the DOS R12
interface is a windows clone...all the literature indicates the r11
Mac interface is blue- ribbon Mac...

cheers,
Peter

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From: vtessier@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Vince Tessier)
Subject: Re: filled fonts for autocad
Keywords: fonts autocad filled free where
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:51:52 GMT

As AutoCAD fonts are specialized shapes, I suspect that filled fonts are
just dense vector patterns, which can be very slow to draw.

Release 12 is alleged to support PostScript fonts ... whether or not
that means PS on the screen or not is unclear.  A quick 'n' dirty way
to do it would be to extract the spacing info and show a simple font
on the screen, but print the PS stuff.

I'll be finding out for myself in a couple of months, when we make the
jump from R10 to R12 (and upgrading the hardware, too ...)
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From: vtessier@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Vince Tessier)
Subject: Re: Can AutoCad import HPGL files?
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:53:14 GMT

rmartin@crchh109.bnr.ca (Richard Martin) writes:

>produce an HPGL output.  I have access to a CAD station running AutoCad Rel.10
>with an HP7586 plotter.  Can AutoCad import my HPGL file and then plot 
>it on the HP plotter?

I used to work with an HP7586, and I think the plotter is HPGL.  AutoCAD
produces HPGL to talk to the plotter, but I don't think it can import
HPGL.  You ought to be able to feed HPGL direct to the plotter, unless
your CAD program and the plotter use different versions of HPGL.


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From: bryanh@dseg.ti.com (Bryan Hazel)
Subject: Re: filled fonts for autocad
Reply-To: bryanh@dseg.ti.com
Organization: Just Me
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:15:41 GMT

In article 715492312@vela, vtessier@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Vince Tessier) writes:
>As AutoCAD fonts are specialized shapes, I suspect that filled fonts are
>just dense vector patterns, which can be very slow to draw.
>
>Release 12 is alleged to support PostScript fonts ... whether or not
>that means PS on the screen or not is unclear.  A quick 'n' dirty way
>to do it would be to extract the spacing info and show a simple font
>on the screen, but print the PS stuff.
>
>I'll be finding out for myself in a couple of months, when we make the
>jump from R10 to R12 (and upgrading the hardware, too ...)
>-- 
>Vince Tessier	vtessier@vela.acs.oakland.edu
>
>"Think global, act loco."  -- Zippy


It's twue, it's twue - every word including 'simple font' speculation.
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From:         "Raul <ha-WOO> Martins" <CSMARTINS@MINNA.IIT.EDU>
Subject:      AUTODESK UNIVERSITY PROGRAMS

Has anybody purchased Autocad packages through Autodesk's
educational programs? Does anyone know how it works?

I am proposing a new course where Autocad would be used
and I am anticipating budgetary problems in purchasing
the 16 copies we need.

Any help will be highly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Raul

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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:42:32 -0400
Reply-To:     Robert Stalder <rxs14@po.CWRU.Edu>
From:         Robert Stalder <rxs14@PO.CWRU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: new user

>
>I'm a new user of autocad.  I got hooked on it when I had a night class this
>summer using rel. 11.  I'm looking for information on autocad - i.e. where
>can I buy it, for a reasonable price, and what applications should I look
>for after my purchase?  If anyone has any info on anything involving autocad
>please respond.
>			thanks,
>			    B.F.
>
>
Well, you can only get AutoCAD through AutoDesk authorized dealers, for the
most part.  You might find someone willing to sell an older version of AutoCAD
, but other than that, the dealer is the only place to get AutoCAD.  I guess
you could call AutoDesk to find the dealer nearest you...

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From: v523d85n@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert C Maggio)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: Problems with Rev 12 ?
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:38:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep1.210726.12393@swbatl.sbc.com>, rollins@oktext.UUCP (Steven D. Rollins) writes...
>Is anyone having the problems we are with rev.12 ?  Most stem from the
>use of a tablet.  First told we must go to Openwin 3. Use of a tablet gets


we haven't had any problems with our tablet in R12, but we're not on 
a workstation either.  we use an HP 486 that we just purchased as a cad/
engineering station.  what we did find is that R12 does not support
the HP video driver, even though it says it will in the manual.  our
dealer/service guy said that they went to some type of convention and
that ORCHID makes a driver that we can use instead.  Anyone else have any
suggestions or similar experience?
From: gs@mi.diab.se (Greger Sernemar)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Blocks and Shapes
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:10:04 GMT
Organization: Diab Data AB, Sweden.

I wonder if it's possible to get hold on defined block-symbols and
shapes  of integrated circuits and other electronic symbols
somewhere on the net ?

I use it on an Zenit PC and just started to use it, I have an old version, 2.52
but it works fine for my needs.

Thanks,

Greger
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From:         Z_STAFF_CL@SOUTHAMPTON-INSTITUTE.AC.UK
Subject:      RE: How to print/plot with ACAD 11.0 in NOVELL network ?

I dont have all the technical stuff here but some notes that may help....

Novell 386, AutoCAD 11, HP LaserJet III with additional memory.


Config. AutoCAD 11 to use the printer.
Set up a Novell printer que to the laserJet
use novel Capture command before going into AutoCAD to redirect the LPT
output to the printer que.

That's how we've been doing it.   We also have a colour dot matrix that
has a software driver to emulate a HPGL plotter which we use as a
similar system.

We have a problem with real plotters because we couldn't find a way of
pausing between jobs for the paper to be changed on a cut sheet plotter.
It may be possible with plotters that use rolls of paper.  I don't know,
we haven't got one.

Incidently, has anyone found a way of getting plotters to work like this ?
I'd love to know !

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From: mcelhinn@miles.WPI.EDU (Susan McElhinny)
Subject: Help! : Info on 3-d drawing manual
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:41:42 GMT


I am looking for a manual or textbook on how to draw 3-d
representations in AUTOCAD.  I would appreciate recomendations!

Thanx
Susan McElhinny
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:10:59 EDT
From:         Kevin Hodgson <SBLY@CORNELLC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: new user
              2 Sep 1992 16:27:49 GMT from <freu9035@ELAN.GLASSBORO.EDU>

To: Brian Freudenberger: noting the .EDU at the end of your e-mail
address, you should be able, as staff or student of that institution, to
get AutoCAD for the academic list price of $500 from your campus book
store or authorized dealer/re-seller.
From: at770@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Frank W. Wisner)
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Subject: AME Authorization code format
Date: 2 Sep 92 04:12:01 GMT
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I am curious, what form does the AME authorization code take. What 
is the general form? How many places? Is it all integers, or a 
combination of integers and letters? Would the format be the same
for R11 and R12? What lanquage is this piece of code written in?
What file is this information written to?
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SIF format, created on a VAX/VMS machine in VAX backup format.
SIF is an old intergraph file format.  What you're looking at (my guess)
is the header written out by the backup program.  You should be able to
restore on any VAX running VMS, or look on an ftp site for a prog thrat
reads VMS backup format.
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From:         DON SMITH <SMITHDA@SNYMORVA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Help! : Info on 3-d drawing manual

Haven't used it yet as i just got the following book.  Don't know if it is
good or bad, but you can check it out.
        3D Autocad for Architects and Engineers
        by Frank Johnson     Revised First Edition
        McGraw Hill  ISBN 0-07-032647-9

        Don Smith  SUNY Morrisville
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:43:41 CDT
From:         FRS1000 <FRS1@JSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Help! : Info on 3-d drawing manual

Try Inside AutoCAD by Rake and Rice published by New Riders Publishing
in Gresha Oregon.  New Riders Publishing, or NRP as they identify
themselves now have several books available on AutoCAD, at least one
covering ONLY 3-D graphics but I don't remember the exact title
at this moment.

New Riders Publishing
1025 E. Powell, #202
Gresham, Or.  97030
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From:         Robert Stalder <rxs14@PO.CWRU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Need help with Autocad on a Network Computer
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>
>	I have a small problem that I'm hoping someone out in
>netland can help me solve.  I am a system administrator for a
>Novell network.  One of the PCs on the Network has Autocad on a
>hard drive for our engineers to work on.  The computer is running
>DOS 5.0 and has a total of 4 Megs of memory in it.  The problem is
>that when I use HIMEM to load dos high and to control the memory,
>extlisp can't find the 3Megs of free memory.  If I get rid of the
>HIMEM from the config.sys for this computer, there is not enough
>free base memory due to the Network Drivers that are loaded into
>the computer's memory.  Currently, I have the user booting from his
>hard drive, and not on the LAN when he wants to use Autocad, but I
>believe there must be a way to use HIMEM and have Autocad find
>the memory.  Any help you can give would be most appreciative.  Please
>mail me at startrek@camelot.bradley.edu with any ideas/suggestions or
>solutions.  Thanks in advance for any help.

I think we would need a listing of the CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files
to get a better feel for your problem...  Of course, I would recommend
putting an additional 4 megs on the machine after solving your current
problem! :-)

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From: blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: AME Authorization code format
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:51:32 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

at770@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Frank W. Wisner) writes:

> 
> I am curious, what form does the AME authorization code take. What 
> is the general form? How many places? Is it all integers, or a 
> combination of integers and letters? Would the format be the same
> for R11 and R12? What lanquage is this piece of code written in?
> What file is this information written to?


Gollie gee Frank, what might you want this for?

(snicker)


Actually, I have no - idea, Ive tryed it myself, to no avail.

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From: rollins@oktext.sbc.com (Steven D. Rollins)
Subject: Re: Can AutoCad import HPGL files?
Reply-To: rollins@oktext.UUCP (Steven D. Rollins)
Organization: Southwestern Bell
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 13:16:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.202507.10335@bnr.ca> rmartin@crchh109.bnr.ca (Richard Martin) writes:
>I am not an AutoCad user, so bear with me.  I use a shareware CAD program and 
>would like to be able to plot a D-size drawing.  The shareware CAD program can
>produce an HPGL output.  I have access to a CAD station running AutoCad Rel.10
>with an HP7586 plotter. Can AutoCad import my HPGL file and then plot it on the
>HP plotter?
>
>Thanks
>
	I think rev 12 can import hpgl.

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From: jjhi@lesti.hut.fi (Jari Juhani Hiltunen)
Subject: Re: AME Authorization code format
Reply-To: jjhi@lesti.hut.fi (Jari Juhani Hiltunen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:56:46 GMT

In article <181euhINNsjt@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> at770@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Frank W. Wisner) writes:
>
>I am curious, what form does the AME authorization code take. What 
>is the general form? How many places? Is it all integers, or a 
>combination of integers and letters? Would the format be the same
>for R11 and R12? What lanquage is this piece of code written in?
>What file is this information written to?

I also like to know all sorts of things but I realize that there are
certain cases when those who have the information do not want to share
it.  For example, when a company is selling a software product and
using an authorization code to enable a certain feature they usually
do not want to disclose much information concerning the structure
of the A-Code.  You see, after it becomes public information the
A-Code wouldn't do much good, would it.

Would you mind telling us why you need this information.  You wouldn't
be planning to do any cracking would you?

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