From: amy young <alyoung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Ugly fat people
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:53:52 -0500

In article <2711@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
in response to
>In article <52902@mimsy.umd.edu> jerrys@umiacs.umd.edu (Jerry Sobieski) writes:

>	I've been trying to keep out of this, but finally got disgusted 
>enough to jump in...

Thank you.  Let me agree with what you say, and add that I wanted to
say this, however, whenever a woman gets upset at how a man views such
a thing, at times people will come down with, "You're just saying that
because you know he would't find you attractive" or something... Like
I care anyway.  =)  And even in rec.nude I at times would rather shut
up than cause a war.

>	Isn't this just like saying "Oh, that person wears old clothes.  That's
>ugly and they're just too lazy to take care of their appearance." or "that
>person drives an old rusty car..." ?  The way I look is natural for me...
>	I think what concerns me here is the elitism of "Oh, that body is
>_unkempt_ and _unattractive_.  But of course *I'm* too civilized to say
>anything."  Do you just put your nose in the air and huff?
>	How about all those people who are too lazy to have cosmetic
>surgery?  How about all my broken bones that never set quite right ?  I've
>always been too lazy to have them re-broken...  But now I'm *crooked* !  
>How unasthetic...
>	Isn't it true that in many cultures being overweight was 
>considered beautiful, and a sign of health and prosperity?  Since the
>common folk were always hungry and sick they were thin and _ugly_ ...

It's all in the soceity ['s head] as I say.... 

>	Hmmmm...  I'm 20 pounds overwieght.  I'll bet $100.00 that 
>I can take you 2 falls out of 3 in a wrestling match...  What's 
>"physically fit" ?  I don't want to be a marathon runner, you know...

But it's really the "do *I* think you are physically fit" thing that
seems to be the issue here.  I'm more "fit" than some women who weight
50 pounds less than I do.  

>	Why don't you like to see _people_ having fun?  As far as I'm 
>concerned, the pleasurable part is "people having fun" not "gorgeous
>sexy tanned young people having fun"...

Yes, I thought the "tanned and toned bodies" said a LOT... 

>	Hope you never run into me.  I'd be, like, *so* embarrased
>over my potbelly and my crooked leg and the fact that I'm too lazy to
>go to the doctor and get Minoxidil...  May your mind become as clear as
>the skies you wish for, friend.
>	For what it's worth, I've never once seen a nude person that
>I felt was "ugly" or even "unattractive".  I've seen plenty of people
>swathed in yards of nylon or polyester that I thought looked funny, though.

Amen... as I said before, I'd much rather see a happy, relaxed  nude
person than an unhappy, uptight clothed person, reguarless of their
physical 
attributes.

amy
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