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From: lmcansi@noah.ericsson.se (Andrew Silver)
Subject: New Kid!
Organization: Ericsson Communications Inc. Montreal, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:12:37 GMT

Well, someone congratulate me!  I just bought my first bike:  A 90 Suzuki Katana 600.  I have to adjust the carbs, though - they're WAY out of sync.

Most of you probably aren't Katana fans, but nor was I until I tried it!  Rode the CBR600 (riding position too intense), the Ninja600 (feels too old), the ZX-6 (beautiful!  but too expensive), so I ended up with the Katana.

Also, because I got a great deal:  $2600 Canadian (book value is $4250, and they're selling privately for 4500-4999$).  The guy made a biiiiiiig mistake!

Now I've got to get a good helmet.  Suggestions please!  Should I mail order it?  I have a USA address, so that's no problem.  

Thanks, and CUL8R!!!

andrew.
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From: gmb@larry.sal.wisc.edu (Gene M Buchholtz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Wing Ding in Madison, WI
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:29:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Space Astronomy Lab, Madison, WI
Originator: gmb@larry.sal.wisc.edu

I was on my way home from work last night and couldn't beleive my eyes
as I passed the colisium last evening.  I have never seen so many
motorcycles in one group in my life.  They sure had some beautiful
machines sitting  in the parking lot.  when I got closer I discovered
that they were not all rice burners.  They had a bunch of HD's in the
group.  
     Are the HD group really members of the Wing Dingers? I guess I
can't think of any reason why they shouldn't be.  Some of their machines
are sharp looking too!  The group is camping on the grounds as well as
staying in the motel across the street.  
     Today they are running all over town pulling their trailers.  I
wish I had more money and could afford a bigger machine.  It looks like
it could be a lot of fun traveling around the country.  I understand
they are going to have a parade through town sometime this week.
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: My views of the RCR
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:00:23 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

In article <1992Jul30.155525.28767@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> wsh8z@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (William Scott Heyman) writes:
>
>Has anyone ever been stung by a bee or other stinging bug while riding?
>I've been stung twice while riding and bot at >55mph. I didn't think
>bees were smart enough to aim at an object going that fast.

They don't have to aim if you hit THEM and they have time to sting you 
before bouncing off.  People driving cars with the old-style wind
deflectors open have had bees bounce off those onto their faces and
sting them.  People have also been stung by bees that they hit with
their lawnmowers, sometimes just the rear half of the bee that gets
flung onto their legs.  Yes, the bee's stinger keeps trying to sting
even after it's cut in half--I saw this firsthand just recently.

My closest shave with a bee was when one flew into my helmet at a stop.
Fortunately it flew away after I pulled over and raised the visor.

Bees are yet another good reason for good protective gear.  Although
the rock that a car once aimed at my head wouldn't have been much
fun either if I'd been helmetless.

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65   BMWMOA #36829   DoD #0969   NRA #CDF6091M
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From: keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer)
Subject: Re: Sticker campaign
Organization: Texas Instruments Information Technology Group    Plano TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:49:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.164301.14925@ncsu.edu> steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier) writes:
>
>What should the sticker say?  On the interior-view side: "Learn to Observe
>Motorcycles!", "You Endangered A Motorcyclist!", or "Start Seeing Motorcycles!"
>On the exterior-view side: "WARNING: I DRIVE BY BRAIL."  You got it folks...
>blind as a bat, and collision-prone to boot.
>
I would vote for
	
	I almost killed someone today by not paying attention.

	Don't let it happen to you.


-- 
Keith Schauer		Texas Instruments	Plain O, Texas
80 CB900 Custom		
DoD #0901		In an insane society, the sane man must appear insane.
			My company disavows any knowledge of my actions.
From: dug@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Dug Smith)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:11:14 GMT
Subject: Re: GATO Camera From Hell (tm)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

> Warning to UK bikers: Where the M4 (Highway to Hell (tm)) joins
> London (Hell (tm)), the filth have put one of their f**king
> little boxes.  It is on the incoming side, on the left, just
> where the limit goes from 70 to 50!

It would appear that in Germany, people were stealing these cameras, after all,
you get a good quality SLR, with motordrive and bulk film loader, plus a 
monster flash gun.  When they couldn't keep up with the rate they were being
stolen at, they gave up.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: winter bike storage tips
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:31:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.011206.9466@samba.oit.unc.edu> Siddharth.Soni@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Siddharth Soni) writes:
>>I haven't been through a full winter here yet, but I'm pretty sure you
>>don't need to put the bike away!
>>
>>It's not like you're in Boulder or something...
>>
> just use the unc bbs to post, I'm actually in NY

Still, I ride year round in Cleveland.  So I don't want to hear it.

Dean
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From: keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan)
Subject: Re: Aerostich Crash Test
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:35:50 GMT

In article <JEP.92Jul29101739@thneed.cs.duke.edu> jep@cs.duke.edu (Jonathan E. Polito) writes:
>
> [Aerostitch passes abrasion test...]

Just to add another component to the testomonial, I'll comment on
the fancy padding used in these suits.  July 4th, 1991, I was
riding to the Parry Sound Sport Bike Ralley.  I was taking county
roads westerly from Ottawa while Toronto was draining South to
North.  At one point I came to a Tee intersection behind a truck
and a car pulling a house trailer.  They were stuck trying to turn
left (south) across the heavy northerly traffic.  I wanted to zig
north a bit before zagging west again on another road, so I
started to pass the trailer on the right.  The trailer was too big
to see through so it was with some surprise that I found myself
suddenly sailing through the air into a soft wet grassy ditch.

What happened?

It had just been raining a while earlier so the road was still a
little damp.  One of the frustrated north bound sheep decided to
turn right onto the county road.  There was a sweeping merge lane
so the driver was able to turn at a fair speed.  Of course the
bozo had forgotten was rain was like and took it much to fast.  He
promptly broke loose and slid at about 40-50km/h into the house
trailer between us.  He punched its left front corner and knocked
the trailer squarely into my left knee.

Rolling in agony in the ditch, I was certain that I my knee had
been crushed.  I was not a happy citizen.  The ballistic nylon
layer on my knee was melted and some red paint from the house
trailer was melted into the fabric.  Without the shear-thickening
foam padding underneath, I am sure I would have been much worse
off.  The end result was that I needed to do a lot of bungie-
connecting of saddle-bags and I had a hell of a limp.  The bruise
on the inside of my knee was also pretty impressive.

Anyways, my leathers wouldn't have protected my knee that well.
Much as I love the feel and smell of leather, I now restrict my
use of it to the bedroom.  :-)

Rubber side down,
Keith Hanlan  KeithH@bnr.ca  Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada 613-765-4645
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From: cgates@mitre.org (Curt Gates)
Subject: Venison for Ride and Feed
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:19:50 GMT

All these deer stories ...  After renewing a vow to be extra careful in 
antler territory and carry more safety equipment ... I just cant get it 
out of my head.  All that vension going to waste alongside the road. I 
mean one large deer could furnish enough venison to take care of a whole 
ride and feed.  And provide a fringed jacket and gloves to the person who 
skins it out.   Sure beats raccoons and armadillos.  From now on, I carry 
a skinning knife at night.  But I suppose thats hunting out of season in 
most places.
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Sticker campaign
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:41:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn) writes:
: someone does stuff like that their car starts carrying that message.  Don't
: confront the person; just follow the car and when no one else is watching,
: slap on the sticker.  
:
Anybody slaps *any* kind of sticker on my car that and I would be *very*
pissed off.  Is that really what you want, a bunch of ignorant and pissed
off cagers?  Think about it.

 
: Maybe a DoD sponsored sticker with a nice tasteful DoD logo in the corner.  
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
An oxymoron don't you think?

Bill Ranck
DoD #496
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From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Cliff Weston)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: brand-new seca2 knocked over by ruffians
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:27:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia
Originator: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU

so, the estimate is in on the damage to my bike from its "unintentional"
tipover:

     right mirror                  $39.00
     right muffler                 278.50
     right turn signal              25.00
     handlebar end                  11.20
     handlebar                      24.50
     engine guard                   54.95
     right footpeg                  41.00
     right rear plastic             59.55

     tax                            24.02
     labor                          75.00

     TOTAL GOUGING                 632.72


for those at the rcr that remarked at the exaggeration of the damages, i can
only say that all scratched/rusted parts are being replaced.  so anyway, i
called competition accessories (no connection) for possibly lower prices: i
can save about $50 or so, even including buying the yamaha service manual.

the problem: since the assaulters didn't set out to intentionally push over
my moto, it is NOT technically vandalism (says the cops).  as such, they
will not be cited; i have to take them to court if they won't give me money
voluntarily.  meanwhile, my bike would sit unattended every night, begging them
to further abuse it as revenge.  so i've considered asking them for the
deductible ($250), claiming it with the insurance co and calling it even,
then repairing everything myself with the aid of the aforementioned manual.
other than maybe pissing off the dealer, this seems to be viable.  of course,
i could have the dealer do the repairwork, but doing it myself gets me some
valuable wrenching experience as well as scamming bucks on the ins payout.  :-)

the question: are any of these repairs beyond the abilities of an average
mechanic (fair amount of cage work, none on bikes :-(  ) with most tools and
the yamaha manual (which he'd read *first* :-)  )?  since the guys involved
in the fighting (all three of them) live in neighboring buildings, i'd rather
not piss them off any more than necessary.

the question 2: comp acc offers both vance&hines and yosh pipes for about
$20 more than factory.  they're 4-into-1's, and presumably loud.  at the risk
of sounding like some nontechno-newbie, i'd really like to know the relative
merits and drawbacks to these aftermarket setups.  thanks.

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|       DoD# 0598                         [insert witty disclaimer here]   |
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|       Don't look to me for proof that women get off easier than men.     |
|                               -- Evelyn                                  |
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From: dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: SECA II  Advice?
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:54:08 GMT
Organization: Naval Medical Research & Development Command

In article <21672@sybase.sybase.com> alexb@sybase.com (Alex Burmester) writes:
>Does anyone have a good reason not to get one of these?

Major reason NOT to get one:


Cliff Weston has one.



-- 
I love the 3b2
The 3b2 is my friend.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: scott@sgisupport.lerc.nasa.gov (SGI_Junkie)
Subject: Re: Catalogs, &c.
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio]
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:21:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.213531.9961@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston) writes:
>>> Ask Ken what it's like to hit a bear at 40mph with a BMW R100RS.
>>>Pelvis broken in 4 places, broken hip, broken wrist, pulverized spleen.
>>>He'll be looking for a new bike in about two months.
>
>>   So what happened to the bear?
>
>I thought he *was* talking about the bear!

   Damn, a bear on a BMW, so what was KEN riding?
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From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Get this! (Was: Pooder returns...
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:02:12 GMT
Organization: msus

>>In article <1992Jul22.141653.906@msus1.msus.edu>, Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John) writes:
>> Don, I am the systems manager for Winona State U. and as you know, we have
>> a Rochester campus.  I can give you an account
>> on a Vax (or ATT or RISC) and maybe even the AS/400 so you can dial
>> into the Rochester site and have EMail and Internet access.  

> shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) <Roid> adds:
> John here is none other than the hardcore OLDCHOP of Harley Mailing List
> fame that thinks anything other than a rigid panhead (or earlier) is a
> pussy ride for yuppie scum.  He bites the heads off Evo(lution) riders
> for breakfest and even sneers at people that ride those wimpy shovels.

Close, but my ride is a Pan/Shovel.  That's a Shovel top end on a Pan lower.
(I converted it.  Pan top ends are crap.)
And I feel that Evos are good machines for geriatric riders.
From: ops@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re:Missing Gears !LS650
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:48:21 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

>> 
>> 
>> Thats strange.... my Savage had five gears, you lost one
>>  along the way ?
> 
> my 1987 savage (ls650h) only has four gears, too!  did we get ripped
> off?  WHO HAS MY MISSING GEAR!  (what year is your bike, mark?)

The Savage I had was a 1991 model...LS650P the P is for pullback
type bars and there was a LS650F for the flat type bars.

Maybe the Savage for the American market was fitted with a four speed
gear box for some reason ? I always thought that it could do with 
another gear and it was uncomfortable to ride for any length of time
and the pillion was a nightmare. Mine leaked oil from the speedo drive
and from the oil filter after 3000 miles...as for having to take 
the seat, petrol tank etc off the get at the battery, spark plug,
and valves is ridiculous...

Good points tho... belt drive is brilliant even if it does look a bit
big and the lovely torque was great and the mpg was even better...

           ************************************************
           * Mark at Oxford University Computing Services *
           * Email - OPS@UK.AC.OX.VAX  anytime....        *
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                            Kawasaki Z750 
                           Seventies Muscle

  "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and 
   finds himself no wiser then before," Bokonon tells us. "He is full of 
   murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by
   their ignorance the hard way."
                      -- Kurt Vonnegut, "Cats Cradle"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jung@base.bellcore.com (Eric Jung)
Subject: Re: Rider Groups in Northeastern NJ, Eastern PA, USA
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 22:20:26 GMT

In article <vqkmp_=.edg@netcom.com>, edg@netcom.com (Ed Greenberg) writes:
|> This winter, my sister Sarah moved to western (rural) New Jersey.
|> She's been licensed since 1986, but has probably ridden only a few 
|> thousand miles.  Now no longer married, she's started riding her 
|> 500 Virago again.
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  Oh yeah? ;-)

|> Sarah has not found much in the way of motorcycle groups, clubs or 
|> even shops.  Finding someone to work on "Becky" was not easy.  If 
|> there's a network out there, she hasn't found it. 

From what I gather, there's a network mailing list called Philly-Cycles.
I tried getting on their list but failed.  Perhaps one of its members
will see this and respond.
  
|> Sarah lives in Hunterdon County, actually near NJ31 where it crosses I78.  
|> This is, according to my map, way out in the sticks.  She says the 
|> roads are great!  Her nearest "big" city is Allentown, PA, an hour 
|> away.

Sticks, maybe.  Great roads, definitely!  There's a cycle shop in Flemington
called Bergers' cycles, although it's not a Yamaha dealer.  I plan on
taking my Yamaha (Seca 750) to Action Yamaha in Edison, unless somebody
has a better suggestion.  I don't know of any shop closer to Hunterdon, 
although there may well be one.  Action Yamaha has a lot of posters 
about events.  They seem (to me, the casual shopper) to be a people-
oriented shop.  They did sponsor a charity ride a few weeks ago.

|> I wonder if any of y'all reading this can provide any pointers to 
|> riding and touring kinda organizations, or other pointers to the 
|> "network" in northwestern NJ or eastern PA?

There's a display about "bikers" at the Clinton Museum this month.  Although
I'm not a stereotypical "biker", I plan to visit it.  They will be having
a poker run on one Sunday  (8/8 methinks).  They have some 12 classic bikes
in the museum.  The exhibit is sponsored by NJ ABATE, which is based in 
New Brunswick.

Sarah should be familiar with all the towns I've mentioned.

|> Also, any comments about being a rider alone without any riding network
|> at all would be helpful.

To me too.  Actually, it would be fun if any other folks were planning to 
go to the Clinton museum to do it together and meet new people.  Any takers?

Eric

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(908) 699-4684                  6 Corporate Place PYA-1D-142
jung@base.bellcore.com          Piscataway, NJ  08854
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: Venison for Ride and Feed
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:50:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.203135.2427@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>In article <14kc93INNn88@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
>>The official menu is BBQ chicken.  That means we should be able to
>>substitute frog, 'gator, snake, turtle, 'possum, armadillo, skunk, or
>>poodle at will.  If you hit anything kosher on the way in, bungie it
>Pooder?  You're going to cook Pooder? ... huh?  What's that?  OH!
>POODLE...  Never mind.

we won't be able to cook pooder (although we can still flame him :-) ), 
since the weak-kneed, no-email poser can't even take the trouble to ride
down to boone for the weekend for the ultimate dod event (and i'm something
of an authority, having attended none before).  like minnesota's too far
away or something ...

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|       Cliff Weston                     '92 Seca II (Tem)                 |
|       DoD# 0598                         [insert witty disclaimer here]   |
|                                                                          |
|       Don't look to me for proof that women get off easier than men.     |
|                               -- Evelyn                                  |
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle)
Subject: Re: Helmet laws, abortions and why national health care is a Bad Idea.
Reply-To: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com
In-reply-to: paulb@harley.tti.com's message of 28 Jul 92 20:09:21 GMT
Organization: You wouldn't ask this if you'd seen my desk.
	<1992Jul27.170244.7718@cs.cornell.edu>
	<1992Jul28.200921.14951@ttinews.tti.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 06:19:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.200921.14951@ttinews.tti.com>, paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:

> Wrongo!  The argument came out of thin air.  Floyd, the Dick, admitted
> that he made up the statistics.  He had to make them up because none
> exists to make his argument.

I love every opportunity to post the disHonorable Ass. Dick Floyd's
actual remark in response to questions concerning the cost-to-society
figures that he bandied about to ram his bill through the legislature:

  "Who gives a fuck?  I don't care what the figures are."

According to the leader of the opposition to the bill (vote for
this guy), state Senator Dan Rogers (R-Bakersfield):

  "Floyd knew that in order to get enough support, he had to
   come up with a big number.  He just kind of pulled it out
   of the air."

Floyd's aide for transportation matters, Bob Terry, agreed that
the bill was passed primarily on the strength of the money 
numbers that Floyd used, and not because the benevolent legislators
were concerned about the health, safety, and well-being of bikers:

  "I don't think people really car if someone goes out and
   gets killed on a motorcycle."

He also is on record in a 1987 issue of "Motorcycle" magazine
as knowing that the figures that Floyd used later in the finally
successful annual attempt to pass the helmet law were bogus.

Later analyses of the figures that Floyd used have indicated that
they probably represent the total "social cost" of all motorcycle
accidents.  That includes those that had nothing to do with head
injuries or helmets.  More importantly, that includes such "costs"
as equivalent wages for the lost productive time in recuperation
and various other ridiculous "costs".  

In short, the numbers that Floyd used, and that irresponsible
newspapers all over the state quoted as fact, were off by several
orders of magnitude at least.  Any reader with half a working
brain would have known that immediately by doing an order of
magnitude, back of the envelope, calculation.  There just aren't
enough motorcyclists in California to support the kind of costs
that Floyd was screaming about even if all of them were in 
traction at once.  The fact that the newspapers and other media
didn't bother to even second guess these numbers is reprehensible,
and chilling.  Don't believe much of what you read in the papers,
and believe even less of what's on TV.  But don't believe anything
that politicians tell you when they're on a crusade.
--
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Mark E. Slagle                                 PO Box 61059
slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com                       Sunnyvale, CA   94088
408-756-0895                                   USA