From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: U.S. Citizen NRIs Please leave India alone (Re: BJP)
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:10:51 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1993Jan23.030810.2374@galois.mit.edu>, kumar@carleman.mit.edu (Kumar) writes...

>So we see the true colors - like expatriates khalistanis and kasmiris
>here we have the group of fundamentalists promoting their ideas in their
>land of origin and that support has partly filled up RSS/BJP/VHP pockets
>and is responsible for so much death and destruction following the temple
>mess. Mr. Verma will you please tell us also how much stake (through
>investments) you have in India's well being? If you do not then shut up
>and if you do then you are burning your money by supporting the rabble-
>rousers. 

	I am doing a great service to India by fighting Indian negativism
	abroad. This is working. Today the USA and other countries have
	better understanding of India's problems because of the writing
	of Verma-like views.

	We have lot of stake in India. What can be a better stake than
	our own culture?
> 
>Definitely the people living
>there (and that includes millions of minorities) definitely have much
>larger stake than you and please do not destroy their economy with your
>support for BJP et al (known through your posts over last months).
> 

	If you were right, BJP should be losing popularity.

>Have you estimated how much financial loss alone India has taken because
>of the temple building agenda pursued by BJP/VHP in last 2 months alone?
>What is the expected result which can be worth that economic cost and 
>worth so many lives lost?
> 

	That is nothing compared to bribes and kickbacks which goes to
	selfish Congress goondas who in your opinion are the well wishers
	of India. These people are the real enemies of India.

>BTW, just like India is hindu majority, this country is christian 
>majority and western thought centered. Will like to known why
>Pat Robertson and Pat Buchanan and David Duke should tolerate you
>here? 

	But I am not propagating my Hindu beliefs on them. I am fighting
	Indian negativism which is quite different than the concerns of
	minorities in India.

	They better tolerate as long as they declare U.S. as a democratic
	country. If the country turns into racism, I have no problem but
	let them declare first.

	I don't think I have ever said that we want Muslims out of the
	country. That is the bold imagination of psuedo-secularists about
	V.Verma-like mentality.

>If you should be given the nice treatment here why not
>minorities in India? 

	I don't get and expect pamper from U.S. government or any
	majority from this country. I compete with them. I believe in
	work not favors or luck.

	BTW, I didn't get any nice treatment ever from any American. Had
	to struggle a lot from student vista to labor certificate to green
	card and to citizenship. That was not a nice feeling. Still I don't 
	complain about it because I truly believe in struggle and 
	competition. If I will be kicked out here, I will take it nicely and
	compete elsewhere, may be this time in India since I will now
	have more resources to fight the Indian system.

	Well I had to move to the U.S., not because I didn't want to
	serve my country but because I could not afford to bribe the
	system and parents (still a poor farmer in northern India) had 
	no access to elites. But still I am doing my best to help India
	without breaking any laws.

	I am not the one who get scared because my true wealth is my
	confidence, skill and motivation.

>Ofcourse many hindus of your variety will
>love it if Diwali or Holi were to be declared a holiday and Hindi
>instruction alongwith Ramanyana and Mahabharata offered in schools
>- will that be pandering the minority at the cost of majority. 
>Have you ever taken advantage of being 'an asian minority' through
>affirmative action? Do you think that your children who might not
>do so well in schools here [high school life here has many more 
>pressures] should take advantage of affirmative action to get ahead?
> 

	If they do it they will get benefit not me. And they can't because
	history shows their temperament. Have you read western version
	of Mahabharat? It is disgusting. They have lost what the epic was
	supposed to teach.

	The problem is that you really don't understand Hinduism.

>Sorry about raising so many questions but that is probably the only 
>way you will understand the tolerance required in India and the impediment
>BJP/VHP/RSS are to that very tolerance. May be
>an anti-Indian riot by some digruntled group will make you all
>see the light.
> 

	I understand very well. Tolerance is not cowardice or weakness. It
	requires courage to tell the truth. Don't demand renunciation to
	fight from weak because he/she can't fight. Don't talk about
	tolerance if you can't speak up the truth.

>It is so sad that even though you are a minority here you can not understand
>the problems faced by a minority in India. Is it possible that
>persecution that you might have faced here has made you beleive that
>Hindus are persecuted in India?
> 
>Sanjay
> 

	I have no problem here even being a minority. Why the minority
	should have any problem back home? Why the minority need pampering
	from majority? Why can't they stand on their own? Why they need
	so much favor from GoI?

namaste,

-- Virendra Verma
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