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From: lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Heckler #5
Organization: The Little Squids of Delta City
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:58:41 GMT

With all the Superbole, people might have missed some very good comics. It
was a good week, especially for the non-traditional comics. Good issues of
Heckler, Slapstick and Those Annoying Post Brothers.

The Heckler continues to amaze me. I just don't know what to compare it
to. Maybe it's just a personal preference, but the Heckler is one of the
few things that will make me laugh out loud. The humor is very tight, very
smart. Damn, even the letters were funny. Once you get over the nine panel
page format (explained in The Ambush Bug Nothing Special) it's just way
humorous. I mean, "C'est Hay?"

Slapstick is a little broader, a little more obvious, but still very good.
The thing that surprises me is Slapstick as a comic character really works.
The parodies are obvious, but Slapstick can be funny without them. 

What can I say about the Post Brothers? This was a typically strange
Post standalone. Shifting, violence, sex and unwanted babies. If you
haven't checked the Post Bros. out this is as good an issue as any. 
If you can take the main character going through most of the story with
a fish on his head, then give it a try. (I also really like Howarth's
art in this issue. Nothing new, but some neat stuff towards the end.)

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  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "You must be the one the papers refer to as the
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  Peanut Man. I've heard a lot about you recently.
   The gonzo intellect     |  Do you mind removing that monocle so I can see
      of mod culture       |  your eyes?"   _Mr Peanut at a Cereal Convention_


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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Superman's death. True cost?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:50:18 GMT

sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG):
>>Superman #75 has the potential for spectacular price increases, especially
>>if inflation is high enough.  It may be worth hundreds of dollars one day.
>>In fact, I am so sure of this that I guarantee to buy any issues of
>>Superman #75 you can find me for their *full* resale value (less shipping), 
>>up to a maximum of **$1000** each!  So if you see a copy selling for
>>a hundred dollars and more, you might still think about buying it.
>>(This comic has the potential to be the next Stupendous Man #1! :)
>
>Sadly, some people really will believe it.  Good, they deserve it.

Hey, everything I wrote was the literal truth!  (I do expect
people to be reasonable about what I can resell it for, of course. :)

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

Roses red and violets blew
  and all the sweetest flowres that in the forrest grew -- Edmund Spenser
From: v125qj86@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jeffrey B Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: A few random notes
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:57:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.BxxxFI.Hwv
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov18.093052.28531@maths.tcd.ie>, afarrell@maths.tcd.ie (Andrew Farrell) writes...
>In <BxvzLx.EL3@ns1.nodak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
> 
>>Despair remembers first, in her flashback right at the end of the first
>>issue... remember, it's right after Desire picks up Del at the nightclub.
>>Then Del remembers while Dream is kibbitzing with Desire, and, most
>>recently, we've had Dream musing about Optics.
> 
>>The order going, basically, 5 - 7 - 3, is at half of the Endless who can
>>have flashbacks about Destruction. (I rate Despair and Desire tied at #5,
>>them being twins, and all). With Destruction at #4, that means we either climb
>>the scale (most likely to #2, since anything Destiny remembers would probably
>>be *too* important), or we slide down to the other 5, Desire. Or, we get a
>>personal flashback from Mr. Prodigal, himself.
> 
>While *expect* is probably too strong a word, (:-)) I wouldn't be
>surprised if the remaining 4 go in this order:
> 
>Something nice from Death
>Something surprising From Desire (I.E., she had nothing to do with The
>Prodigal's Departure)
>A *big surprise* from Destruction (I have no idea what this could be,
>but I'd always be happy to be surprised)
>A epilogue from Destiny.
> 
>Just Guessing,
>Andrew.
	



	Howdy. From what I've read in those Up-And-Coming-Newsletter-Thingees,
Part 7 is the last one in the story. 
	Way I figure it, one showing of Dest in each issue, from a diffrent
family members POV/rememberance, is the way its going. Despair in 1, Del in 2,
Dest himself in 3(himself thru his own eyes), and our man Dream in 4.
	I'm guessing Desire's rememberance will show why it seems to dislike
its' sibling, Destiny's will show the meeting where Dest 'left', and Deaths',
er, well, maybe a talk about what seperates their functions? (beats me.)
	Of course, the Destiny one could also show the 'family reunion', if it
happens. #3 shows that not all of them might be rememberances per se.
				(IMHO)
						J.B.Rogers
						SUNY@Buffalo
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From: mkelly@goya.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Death and Superman
Reply-To: mkelly@goya.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:27:31 GMT

 gatsby@wam.umd.edu (Ravindra Pillalamarri) writes:

|> mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:
|> 
|> >The story ends with Superman and Hal going to Hell (Neil didn't say why),
|> >
|> 	Why is it that EVERYONE goes to Hell? My gosh.

Actually this isn't true. In an Alan Moore Swamp Thing, Abby tries out some
of Swampy's psychedelic yams and visits Alec Holland on the outskirts of
Heaven. There is further evidence in ST under Moore and Veitch that numbers
of people found there way to places that were not Hell.

-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@doc.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                    + 
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                 the less intelligent you are."   +
From: lawrence@ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Jimmy Olsen Must Die
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:34:22 GMT
Reply-To: lawrence@olympus.ctron.com (Gary S. St. Lawrence)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

>In article <1992Nov19.185838.19192@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (kristoff) writes:
>>Was anyone else very upset at Jimmy? Lat panel (the neat fold out one): Kal
>>is dead, Lois screaming in tears, and Jimmy, he's getting a picture of her 
>>anguish.  Not even an emotional moment. Gods, I hope I have better "pals".
>>

 have to agree with Scav on this. After 13 years in newspapers and radio, I
too appreciated the shot of Jimmy realizing his first and foremost. I 
imagine that were I a photojournalist in the Superman world and was on
the scene when the Big Blue Boy Scout bought the proverbial farm,
especially after a weeks-long battle that decimated half the countryside,
I'd be snapping roll after roll and then worry about mourning. I've been
in that situation before, in Grenada and Honduras and was proud of myself
for the pictures I was able to get, despite the carnage that surrounded 
me when I was taking them.
DC FINALLY did SOMETHING well in this fecal sample called Doomsday. Even
the "memorial poster," was error-ridden, to wit: Why is Robin (the third)
one of the pall bearers and not Jimmy Olsen, or some of the other 
JLAers Supes was close with. Of course, *post-Crisis!* Superman has never
met Green Arrow, or Hawkman, or J'onn J'onzz, or .....
From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Why do people HATE Image?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 18:23:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Personally, I don't hate Image.  I haven't bought
 any of their books, because it's all standard 
 superhero fare, which I consider boring.

rglass@PCS.CNU.EDU (Randall Glass) says:

>  Is it because your favorite artist left your favorite book?
> or that you know your favorite artist will never draw any
> Marvel character ever again? (as in mcfarlanes case).
>  OR do you hate image for not doing anything that couldn't be
> done in a marvel comic?
>  ORRRR do you hate image for 'stealing' all the good talent 
> from the big 2 (3?4?5?) for their own greedy purposes?

No on all counts.  I haven't seen any Marvel Zombies
 who hate Image.  The people who hate Image are the
 ones who say that good writing is far more important 
 than "HOT!" art.  They hate Marvel too, in general.

The problem with Image is that the founders are
 all just artists.  For the most part they are
 rather poor writers.  And yet they write their
 own stories.  

I give them a thumbs up for breaking away from
 Marvel, for making the creator paramount, and 
 for diminshing the publisher into merely a tool
 rather than a controlling monster.  

I definitely intend to buy the special issues of
 Spawn written by Dave Sim, Alan Moore, et al.

> As for me, i don't hate them... this is a company founded by artists,
> so i started getting the books for the art (there's nothing else to
> go on at first anyway!). so far the stories are pretty mundane.

How about reading books for the writing?
-- 
Francis A. Uy			Program Director, WUMD
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From: sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG)
Subject: Youngblood: Strike File
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 19 Nov 1992 22:52 EST  

Hi.

I was reading Arena Magazine #5 (With the Larry Stroman cover featuring 
Image's Tribe and a Tribe trading card - I got it hot off the presses at a 
convention) and it reports that Rob Liefeld will be producing Youngblood:
Strike Files, a four part mini starting in March of 1993 (sure).  The series 
will feature solo stories for the characters that the "fans" "request" to see.  
Each issue will feature two solo stories.  The first one will have Diehard 
and Chapel and will be produced by Liefeld and Jae Lee (I guess it was only 
a matter of time before he went Image.  That's okay, I still like his 
work).  Each issue will have a different artist.  I assume Liefeld is 
writing (hehe).

Hmm.. was this news-worthy enough to warrant a post?  Sure, now everyone 
can flame Leifeld some more!

- Wayne. 
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From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Subject: Re: Implications of the Death of Superman
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:20:56 GMT

In article <49youB5w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>Friends:
>
>What really scares me about the success in sales of the Death of Superman 
>is that a few months from now we'll be getting the Death of Spider-Man 
>over at Marvel, because they'll have to do something to cash in on this, 
>right?  


Oh, please,please,please,please,please,PLEASE! Let it be Aunt May! I'd
pay $100 to see that finally happen after nearly 30 years!
-- 
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                           | around a saucer of beer."
CompuServe: 74076,1250     | -- Alexander Cockburn, LA Times 11/15/92
Internet: jrs@netcom.com   | (P.S. Impeach Clinton, support the coup!)
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From: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Subject: Re: Need Help with Sandy Plunkett
Reply-To: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:37:08 GMT

In article <92324.210337CM26ACCW@MIAMIU.BITNET> <CM26ACCW@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>I have recently become aware of local comic book writer/artist,
>Sandy Plunkett.  A news article explains that his career began
>with a 1982 Spiderman story and he has since written
>X-Men, Fantastic Four, and other stories.  The article also
>includes a coverish looking drawing of The Spectre and is
>signed 1992.

I have most X-Men from 1979-present and I have never seen a story with
Plunkett's name on it. (This includes X-Factor, and most other X-Books)
The article you refer to is incorrect about this point. Sorry, I don't 
know about any other books that Plunkett wrote or drew.
Eric Jaron Stieglitz "DragonEyes" aka "Torque" aka ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
"With great power comes great responsibility"
We have been given the power of free speech.
Let's make sure that we use it wisely...
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman Revival Methods
Date: 23 Nov 92 07:19:12
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu's message of Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:08:19 GMT

>>>>> On Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:08:19 GMT, dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) said:

dvandom> In article <SS.92Nov22160210@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:

>But they still have to get the brain out right? Well Supes is still
>nigh unvulnerable even when dead, so how can they cut it out? At
>least he still exibited unvulnerablity in Holy Terror, but that WAS
>an Else Worlds book.  

dvandom> Firstly, only the Tick is "Nigh Invulnerable".

But if Superman was totally invulnerable, DD wouldn't have been able
to kill him :)
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From: saab@ais.org (Micheal Marks)
Subject: Re: Which type oPre-bagged comics(Was:Re:Superman is in the bag... sort of)
Organization: UMCC
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:31:30 GMT

I tend to agree that the bags on the pre-bagged books will probably
start to "age" a lot faster than the book inside.  I've been through
lots of collections that had their books bagged 10+ years ago (usually
in regular (back then) comic-type bags and Ye Olde Saran Wrap) and boy,
were a lot of them things yellow.  Almost always, the BOOK was fine, but
the bag looked sick.  
 
BUT, I think a point is being missed here.  So far in the collectible
industry, the most value is usually placed in things in their original
unrestored state.  The closer to "brand-new" it is, the more it is worth
to people.  Unless that changes, books like X-Force #1 will be most
desired with the bag sealed and the X-Card inside, because that was the
original state of the book.
 
Now, IF these bags start yellowing, I'm afraid all this will do, given
past experience, is increase the value of the bags that are NOT yellowed,
and make yellowed bags a lesser grade, and opened bags a lesser grade
than that still.  And I can't really see opened copies ever getting equal
to unopened copies, because it would be too simple to remove the (yellowed?)
bag and still get the same price.  
 
Please don't think that I am big on investment in comics and all that.  
This has more to do with grading, and influencing changes in grading is
much more difficult than influencing prices.  So for all you folks you
er, who are "holding on" to a few bagged books, my best advice would
be to store the things to try and avoid yellowing the bags.  This
way you can sell X-Force #1 for $2.50 in the future.  (Sorry, I had to 
slip one cheap shot in)
 
Fear the Claw!
MDM


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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Slaine McGroth/Slaine the Horned God
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 01:25:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.010009.25665@oz.plymouth.edu> j_fitzge@oz.plymouth.edu (Jesse L. Fitzgerald) writes:
>	Just a word on Slaine (my favorite non-superhero character),
>the story found in the Heavy Metal magazine is found in one of his
>three graphic novels that I am unsure of the titles. I think "Slaine,
>Trial of Venom is one of them. The first book deals with his coming
>into Godhood and his slaying of Wierd-Sloth-Feg (the horned God that
>refuses to die). I've been keeping a look out for these three graphic
>novels but to dte I haven't found them. Hopefully he will make a
>reappearence in Heavy Metal.
>
As far as I know, the stuff that has been reprinted is:

Slaine Book One  (Titan Books) - features his first appearances as a
barbarian hero able to go into mighty warp-spasms, exiled from his tribe
with his dwarf servant/slave/pet Ukko.

[May be other volumes by Titan Books]

Slaine Gaiming Book (Titan Books) - I may have got the name slightly wrong
here. This book features a major story which was run in 2000AD (possibly
the third or fourth series of Slaine) in which Slaine and accomplices
battle other-dimensional menaces. This story takes place partly as a
traditional comic strip and partly as a 'make-your-choice' type solo game,
with a text passage at the end of each section where you get to make choices
and earn points. The story is readable without bothering with the game
stuff if you can't be bothered with that sort of thing.

Slaine The King (Titan Books) - Slaine returns to his tribe, and attempts
to become king of all the Celtic tribes. 

Slaine the God Volumes 1 to 3 (Fleetway Books) - Slaine assumes the role
of the Horned God in the struggle against Slough Feg. This one has all
the painted Bisley art.


Apologies if I've got any of this wrong or missed out anything.

Mike


Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:59:19 -0500 
From: John Hamilton Slye <jsbr+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Overheard In A Comics Store

On 21-Nov-92 in Overheard In A Comics Store  
user Greg W. Of L. Spira@pani writes:
>Overheard in a comics store....
> 
>"Do you have any copies of the X-Men comic in which Superman dies?"

And we thought only Groo would say such things....



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From: jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA COVA,JORGE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Robin III
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:25:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

What's the deal with issue number 3?  It was on someone's list for
comics coming out this week, but I never saw  it.  What did I miss?

Any answers would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.


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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Million Year Picnic in Boston - Fire
Keywords: Fire
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:03:00 GMT
Organization: Boo!

In <1992Nov22.052125.17549@news.columbia.edu> ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz) writes:


>I realize that many people on the net want information about various comic
>stores, but this info has absolutely no relevance to people who don't
>live in the area. I'm sure that people in other parts of the world couldn't
>care less about a store in Boston burning down. While this info does have some
>relevance to the comic world, people who don't live near the store in question
>shouldn't have to read about it. Please mark all future articles about stores
>with a distribution specific to the area which the store serves.
>For example, if you want to talk about Atomic Comics in Providence, RI, keep
>your distribution to RI. This way, people in California won't have to read it.
>Thanks

The problem is that this info has a lot of relevance to a number of people
who are outside the immediate area.  Two of the people who have already
posted articles in this thread are not in New England.  There are a lot of
ex-Bostonites who were patrons of and still care about Million Year Picnic.
There are probably others who make it a practice to visit and learn about
the better comic stores in various American cities, and they probably are
interested in the fate of a fairly well-known comic store like MYP.  I
fit both these decriptions - I'm no longer in Boston, but still am quite
interested in the fate of a store which I spent a lot of time in, and even
if I had never lived in Boston I would probably be interested in the fate
of MYP, just as I would be interested if one of the 2 well-known comic
stores in Berkeley, both of which I've visited (though their names slip
my mind right now), was in this type of predicament.

Besides, geographical distributions don't work all that well anyway.

(Oh, if anybody has more details about the MYP fire, specifically what
else burned (Wordsworth, e.g.), please e-mail me details.  Thanks)

Greg  
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