From: asamonte@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Bots, WarBots, Fun?
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:51:19 GMT
Organization: Nothing worth mentioning...

gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) was telling me...
>Just some loser... (asamonte@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu) wrote:
>: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) was telling me...
>: >Herman H. Fredriksson (herm@merlin.etsu.edu) wrote:
>: >: In article <1992Nov6.084134.17493@ugle.unit.no> gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:
>: >: >> I still feel alt.irc.bot would be useful (...)
>: >: NOT.
>: >I guess that is what we are discussing, or what?
>: >: > [..people message this dude becos they want to have a whizbang bot too..]
>: >Do you know how annoying that is?
>: >: > Also, programming techniques could be shared, so that all bots would be
>: >: Lame, weenie bots which give people a op (oh w0w) can be share/copied.
>: >I said PROGRAMMING TEXHNIQUES, and giving people an op can be a bit more than
>: >a single /on -join Gard mode $C +o $0
>: >  As an example, I have on Glurg this one:
>: 
>: [script deleted]
>: 
>: It's basically the same thing.  It just checks user@host and name...BFD.
>: 
>: >This is not just an op, but an ensurement that only I will have my Nick - at
>: >least on channel #24892. This will prevent abuse of Glurg's mode commands.
>: 
>: It's just an op.
>
>It makes sure that the Gard on #24892 is the real Gard. It was installed after
>someone entered #24892, chenged his nick to Gard, got an op with Glurg and used
>it to kick Glurg and everyone else out, making the channel private and banning
>quite a few people.

It's still just an op.  
And if you notice, if you had no bot in the first place this would have
NEVER happened.

>: 
>: >Also, earlier on, Glurg walked freely around on different channels commenting
>: >things, responding to whatever the people said, and in most cases, it would
>: >take quite a while or a /whois Glurg to discover that he was a bot. Now, that
>: >need a little more programming technique than a /on join Gard mode $C +o $0
>: 
>: Not much more.  /on public "*keyphrase"  Oh joy.
>: 
>I removed it because:
>1) There was no good purpose for this.
>2) There was no use of it.
>3) There was no reason to have it.

Well originally you said it added 'atmosphere' and everyone liked it.
Changing your midn already?

>
>: >: >optimized accordingly, and we could have fewer bots because bot programmers
>: >: 
>: >: Oh my god, the word bot, and optimized in the same sentence.
>: >
>: >Surprised by that? Optimizing could be like... having an assigned variable
>: >containing all the channels the bot is supposed to visit. and than just move
>: >a pointer every time he's supposed to visit a new channel, rather than having
>: >24892 on timer statements.
>: 
>: Why they hell would you have a bot 'visit' channels?  Why not just have 
>: it on all the channels at once?
>:
>I have had a request of letting Glurg comment a bit on #Esperanto. To avoid
>putting yet another bot on IRC, I will let Glurg stay on BOT #24892 and
>#Esperanto.

I thought you removed this 'commenting' ability?
There is no good purpose for it, there was not use for it, you had no 
reason to have it, remember?

But that's not how you made it sound...you made it seem like the bot was just 
freely joining and leaving channels...

>: >: 
>: >: >could agree to have only ONE bot with that and that function, and so on,
>: >: There is no agreement. That is why we have bot wars. 
>: >
>: >Of course there is no agreement - now. That is because the bot programmers
>: >don't have a forum in which they can get the agreement. Whilst on IRC, they
>: >are more interrested in debugging their bot or talking social stuff with
>: >others. A newsgroup like alt.irc.bots would work fine for that.
>: 
>: Hardly.  Ok...you tell me how to resolve this problem, and then maybe
>: it will work.  Who would run this one bot?  EVERYONE would want to run
>: it so they can say it's their bot.  If someone else runs it it's no fun.
>: Why do you think so many people have them instead of sharing them?
>: 
>I am currently working to make all the bot programmers at this school (MRIH) to
>put all the bots in one.

ANd who is going to run it?  If you have to 'work' on it it's obviously not
an easy thing to do...now try to imagine if you try to do that for everyone.
As soon as you do it, it will be great...but I don't think it will
ever happen.

-Alex
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