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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:12:52 CDT
From:         John=Jabusch%ecd%USACERL@AARDVARK.CECER.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      recent uploads to csus.edu

The following have all been uploaded within the last few days, or else I'm
slow.  :-)

#Assert prefix = /pub/banyan/

banyan_info/mn254-p.zip : this is a zipped version of the .asc file already
			loaded - Marketing Notice 254 - on new support options

banyan_info/boademo2.zip : this is the Boa Demo shown at ABUi.

src/wd_info :  I missed the message on what this is for, but it appears to
               get information on how a WD board is configured.  I don't
               have a WD board to try it with.

src/lib_samp.zip :  Sample information on how to use some of the libraries
                    stored on csus.edu.


Note:  Some people had sent me email regarding the use of those libraries.  I
responded to all of them, although a couple of the messages wouldn't go
through some of the European gateways or were rejected for unknown reasons.
To those who have not received responses, I apologize, but have not been able
to get mail to your sites.  This posting will suffice, I hope.

The libraries that I and others wrote here at CERL were originally written
using the interface definitions in the 1986-era Banyan Architecture and DOS
interface manuals.  They are very old by today's standards, and while most
still work, Banyan and others have documented many changes to the systems.  I
don't have the time necessary to go through all our old code and
update it at this time.  I wish I did - it was a lot of fun writing it in the
days prior to the toolkit!  Perhaps someday Banyan will see the wisdom in
providing a set of libraries for a standard compiler or two, at a very cheap
price so that more people could develop code for VINES networks.  Until then,
please keep on the lookout for useful "poor-man's libraries" for dissemination
via csus.edu.


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"Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous?" - Hobbes
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:47:00 EDT
From:         REB100@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject:      Server Performance Question

Hello all,

I need some opinions from the experts out there about server performance.

The server is an ALR 386/33 running 4.11(5) with 9 Meg RAM.  2 File
services, 6 Print services, a Netbios Service, & an STDA service.

The situation: A group within our organization has requested that a logical
drive be created off of one of the server drives for data sharing within
that group.  The administration has denied the request in part due to office
politics (aren't they always fun) and in part due to advice from the current
admin regarding server performance.

His opinion is that creating a logical drive off an existing drive would
cause more degredation of the server than having the group purchase another
drive and use that.

The former admin, who happens to be in the group requesting the logical
drive, contests that opinion.  His opinion is that the logical drive will
not cause a marked performance drop due to the fact that existing file
services can be used to access the drive without creating another file
service.  He states that the only performance drop should be from the
increased files on the server, which are not estimated to be large in
number.

No hard numbers on server performance can be obtained, because the server
does not have MNET or any other monitoring software (Yes, there are
backwards people out there.) Therefore, I am requesting your opinions as to
what might be the better solution.

The other aspect of the dispute is that adding another drive to the server
would take it out of Banyan certification.  How many of you out there are
running non-certified platforms as Banyan servers (Banyan - close your eyes)

Also, as a additional note, the group estimates its needs to be nominally 25
Meg.  To be fair, the administration says they will give each group 25 Megs
if they give one group that much.  So, 4 groups = 100 Megs.  However, they
can still be run from one file service which already exists.  Assuming there
is 100 Meg available, should the decision be: So, should the decision be:

1) 4 Logical Drives - Existing File Service

or

2) A new drive - New File Service to run it - Loss of Certification


OK, the doors open!  All you gurus out there, speak up.  Enquiring minds
want to know.  Please don't tell me to use MNET and look at INODES and al
all that, because we don't have that ability.  I need opinions.

Thanks for your help

Bob
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:21:27 CET
From:         Stephan=Sas%SYS%AGR@CC3.KULEUVEN.AC.BE
Subject:      PCPRINT in VINES 5.0(5)

Now for my problem concerning PCPRINT in VINES 5.0(5)

On 2 stations running pcprint in order to serve Hp Laserjet II printers
all is ok...except that no jobs are coming out....they just stuck in the
queue  with the status 'printing'....sometimes (!) rebooting the pc helps
(local printing (without pcprint) is no problem)

I think that the problem might be due to the R:20 parameter I inserted in the
statement to increase printing speed...but I am not convinced since on other
workstations I did it too....and no problems over there.

In 4.11(5) I did not have those problems....


any ideas..?

tenks

stephan

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    Faculty of Agriculture
    K.U.Leuven Belgium
    K.Mercierln 92
    B3001 Leuven

    Tel : 016-220931
    FAX : 016-295126 or 016-205032
    Vinesmail   : stephan@sys@agr
    EARN/BITNET : stephan%sys%agr@cc3.kuleuven.ac.be

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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:30:55 -0600
From:         STRASHEA@ZENO.MSC.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Server Performance Question

Regarding Bob's file service/new drive dilemma:

From the information you've given, I think the file service MAY provide
as an adequate substitution for a physical drive in the short run, but
as your groups grow and become more familiar with file services they will
load the server up and your performance may drop considerably over time.

Backups could probably be performed more easily if your users' data was
isolated on a separate drive with a tape backup.  If the PRIMARY Vines
drive 1 crashed, you will still have your important data physically available
when you got the first drive back up.  It works both ways in case the 2nd
drive fails-- your server drive should remain running so things would still
function.  If you place EVERYTHING on disk 1 you're asking for trouble later
in my opinion.  I would optimally place 2 tape b/u's on the entire system, one
 for the primary disk and 1 for the apps/data drive (which you just purchased
<grin>).  Redundancy is nice to have, no doubt about it, but if budget isn't
permitting, you will have to use the primary disk for all your services and
then grin and bear it when something fails.  Always assume a piece of hardware
will fail and you will think twice about keeping only one drive.
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:20:14 CDT
From:         JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SWRI.EDU
Subject:      re: Problem with MARK and RELEASE (or POPDROP) and PROTMAN.DOS

Hello! Mark and Release? Where can I get them! My 286 users will love me!
(or Popdrop)

	josef
	jzeevi@swri.edu
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:47:19 BST
From:         ps@JET.UK
Subject: Re: PCPRINT under version 4.11(5)

When using PCPRINT also remember that it returns the printer status in the
errorlevel, thus the following enhancement to the delay only technique is used
here to check that the printer is actually ready and on-line.

==============================================================================
     echo Loading the PC-PRINT, Network Printer Utility, Please Wait . . .
     echo.

  :loop
     echo Waiting for the printer to be ON-LINE . . .
     f:\util\wait 5
     if exist z:\pcprint.* z:pcprint device@group@JET LPT1 > nul
     if errorlevel 1 goto loop
     set LPT1=PCPRINT
     echo Printer On-line, Now identifying printer to the Network . . .
     f:\util\wait 10
==============================================================================

hope this helps.

Paul Simmonds
VINES Network Manager

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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:53:45 WST
From:         Russel=Grocott%ITS=Staff%CURTIN@BA1.CURTIN.EDU.AU
Subject:      re: Powersave

We are using the Turbo Giga Trend DAT with 2.1 Powersave.  Works well except
for restoration of the StreetTalk names.  The s/w does allow us to create a
text file of the StreetTalk names and from here we use a bulk addition etc
type program.

Cheers
	Russel Grocott (email :- grocottr@ba1.curtin.edu.au)
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:11:18 WET
From:         Boelen%FaB%WMW@CIVP.UTWENTE.NL
Subject:      wangdat tapestreamer

Somebody suggested that it's not possible to have a dat tapestreamer on the
same scsi card as the diskdrives under 4.11(5). Does anybody have any
confirmation on that ?
Thanks in advance

Lars Boelen
University Twente The Netherlands
Boelen%fab%WMW@CIVP.UTWENTE.NL
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 11:22:54 PDT
From:         MA=Crist%Info_Sys%STG_IS@DSO3.DSD.TRW.COM
Subject:      Shortening VINES names for SMTP

Hi all,

I think this was discussed before, but I didn't catch the specifics.  How do
you create an alias so your VINES ID looks like a normal (short) internet ID?
Is it done on the Banyan SMTP gateway or do you point the gateway to a Domain
Name Server or something.  Any advice will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

Mike Crist
TRW
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:34:12 EDT
From:         Shirley Rodgers <D1SLR@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Powersave

I talked to people from Performance Technology at the ABUi conference last
week in Boston. They told me Powersave does not backup mail. I could use this
in my academic environment but my administrative offices would scream if I
couldn't restore their mail.

Shirley Rodgers
SRodgers@uakron.edu
University of Akron
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:58:37 WET
From:         Boelen%FaB%WMW@CIVP.UTWENTE.NL
Subject:      Hackable ???

Recently in dutch newspapers a report was published that N****l was
fundementally designed wrong. A group of hackers were able to enter the system
get superuser privaleges and even remove the original superuser. So far so
good (we're not N....l users are we ?). The allarming part was that it stated
that other networks might suffer from the same fundemental problems.

                  Does Banyan belong to this group too ?

(the article was published 09-19-92 in De Volkskrant)

Lars Boelen
University Twente
The Netherlands
R.L.Boelen@WMW.UTWENTE.NL
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:35:03 EDT
From:         Lou=Janelle%Faculty%WAYNE@AUBURN.UAKRON.EDU
Subject:      TRACKING PC'S

Has anyone come up with a manageable method for keeping track of PC's and of
what's in them?  All of our equipment is tagged for inventory purposes but
inevitably equipment gets moved around to different departments.  We also do
our own repair which results in older machines getting cannibalized and
salvaged parts placed into other machines.  Thank you in advance.

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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:06:48 EDT
From:         "Elliott Coates" <coates@UMUC.UMD.EDU>
Subject: re: Vines 5.05 (System 10)

>The ARL's are much more complicated than the old set and can trip you up
>easily.  The manual on security has a good description of the ARL's.  Just be
>aware that SETARL does not reliably show the true access rights for a
>particular user or member of a LIST (buggy).  Access the manual's description
>as being accurate and test with a dummy user.

I've experienced a case (cases?) where because a Vines file subdirectory didn't
contain access rights for a group, members of the group could sometimes start
an application and sometimes could not.

Wierd and face slapping.

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From: marquis@netcom.com (Roger Marquis)
Subject: Re: Shortening VINES names for SMTP
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 03:39:25 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <BANYAN-L%92092814245849@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> MA=Crist%Info_Sys%STG_IS@DSO3.DSD.TRW.COM writes:
>I think this was discussed before, but I didn't catch the specifics.  How do
>you create an alias so your VINES ID looks like a normal (short) internet ID?
>Is it done on the Banyan SMTP gateway or do you point the gateway to a Domain
>Name Server or something.  Any advice will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
>Mike Crist

Mike,  The way I've always done it, and this works for lists as well
as individuals, is to edit the /etc/aliases file on the UNIX gateway
machine.  This file maps the UNIX ID to a vines ID as follows:

UNIXname: vinesuser%vinesgroup%vinesorg@smtpgate.vinesserver

So if your Vines userid was "MA Crist@Info_Sys@STG_IS", and you had a
UNIX ID of 'mac' on machine 'DSD.TRW.COM' you would maintain an /etc/aliases 
file on that UNIX machine with the following line:

mac: MA=Crist%Info_Sys%STG_IS@<smtp_service>.<vines_server>

Of course the SMTP service must reside on a server with either TCP/IP
routing or (I think) a TCP/IP server to server option installed.

Roger (marquis@netcom.com)
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 06:42:07 CDT
From:         Gary Jarrell <C604441@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: wangdat tapestreamer
              29 Sep 1992 12:11:18 WET from <Boelen%FaB%WMW@CIVP.UTWENTE.NL>

I do not know if Banyan is different than Novell in that respect.  I do know th
at in Novell the Wangtek drive we had to choose the HP drive instead.  I still
do not fully understand the reasoning behind this, but again Novell is kinda st
ange....  Gary Jarrell
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:11:50 CDT
From:         Annie.Karls%OIS%WARF@TOPNET.UWSA.EDU
Subject:      cc:mail

Answers!!!!!!!!


Any information needed on CC:mail working on a Banyan VINES network.  If
possible go into some detail with problems and how you solved them.

I really appreciate your responses.

Lost in the mail bag; lookin' for something good.......


Annie Karls
Internet:  ane%ois%warf@topnet.uwsa.edu
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:41:53 EST
From:         Stephan=Sas%SYS%AGR@CC3.KULEUVEN.AC.BE
Subject:      vfsck error

Can someone help me with following errors I get starting up a server
 486 33mhz,  16 Mb ram, 1Gb scsi disk with VINES 5.0 (6)
 Bad Block remapping has been enabled....

Maybe reformatting....?

tenks

stephan sas
       ===== vfsck log  ====
5.00 (6)
vfsck -y
Thu Sep 24 16:11:05 1992

vfs didn't shut down normally - vfsck required
error from RFORKRM: 22
error from RFORKRM: 22
error from RFORKRM: 22
error from RFORKRM: 22
error from RFORKRM: 22
error from RFORKRM: 22
rmrfdir can't remove newrforks: 20
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:46:59 EDT
From:         SOHIER_DANNY%CTI%ULAVAL@BANYAN.CTI.ULAVAL.CA
Subject:      PCPRINT and Windows

Hi everyone,

Is there a way to start a PCprint session and then start Windows 3.1 without
losing the PCprint port????

All the best,

Danny J. Sohier
Laval University
DSOHIER@CTI.ULAVAL.CA
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:42:21 EDT
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:46:02 PST
From:         JRKROGH@OSREQ22.ROCKWELL.COM
Subject:      Vines 5.0(5) & MACs

Has anyone experienced problems when working with ARL's from a MAC client?
(We are experiencing what appear to be random application (Vines Utils) crashes
when working in this area....)

-John-
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:33:00 EDT
From:         REB100@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: PCPRINT under version 4.11(5)

Scott,

What is the printer that is attached?  I occasionally have problems with a
line printer attached to a PC-PRINT service.  Although it doesn't freeze, it
refuses to initiate the PC-PRINT sequence and returns an error code, even
though the line printer is set on infinite timeout.  The quickest way to
correct it is to STOP and the START the service.  Works every time.

As a second though, how about increasing the comm buffers on the PC-PRINT
server.

Hope this helps.

Bob
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:44:03 CDT
From:         JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SWRI.EDU
Subject: Re: Hackable ???

---------------------------

Josef,

There is a distinct difference between opinions and lies and intentional
misinformation.  Unfortunately, Mr. Warner is well known to the list for
contributing the latter more often than the former.  That's my opinion <G>.

Mike Crist
TRW
----------------------------

Mike,

	OK. Obviously we agree on debate mechanics. And, as I'm sure you will
agree, intentional misinformation is one of those techniques. The real trick
is spotting it for what it is and, without labeling it a lie, use the correct
information toward a common ground.

	The biggest thing I've noted in the Banyan/Novell flame wars is the
righteousness each side feels for it's own product. My opinion is not really
important, other than whatever is in use, no matter how it got chosen, ONCE
IT IS CHOSEN, it must be supported/loved/nurtured 'coz by then you're stuck!

	Each has strengths and weaknesses. But, (as in art imitating life) so
do we people!

	josef
	jzeevi@swri.edu
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:16:30 CDT
From:         David=Blair%ComputerSrvcs%WILL@BIGBIRD.WILL.UIUC.EDU
Subject:      re: Intelligent Messaging Service

I talked to the VP of Marketing and the Project Manager for IM at the ABUI
conference and here is what they had to say.  You must have Vines V5.00(5) to
run IM.  It patches your server to Vines V5.00(6).  It is now included in all
copies of Vines V5.00 being sold as of 09/92.  To upgrade your current Banyan
Mail to IM is $99 per NETWORK!!  That means if you have one server to one
thousand servers!!!  It still costs $99.  It basically improves the way Banyan
Mail handles attachments, time and date stamps when you forward messages, re
does the interface to mail.  LauraZ can tell you more.

David L. Blair
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:21:31 WST
From:         SBRYANN%ACC203D%CURTIN@BA1.CURTIN.EDU.AU

	I AM IN 407-209, HOW DO I GET INTO WINDOWS 3.1?
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:45:00 PDT
From:         Robertson@SSC.SSCNET.UCLA.EDU
Subject:      re: Horizons Technology, Inc.

That is true for all the products.  There is no information to be had on
cards that are not recognized by the OS of the workstation.  PC Census is the
only one I've tested that could figure out card info in an ISA machine.

PS: I wrote an article a while ago in our December 91 issue about these auto
inventory packages.  While the detail of the products is now out of date,
since they've all been rev-ed in the last 6 months, at least you'll get an
idea of what they can do.  There are also new ones out that I have not looked
at, including Fresh, Frye, and Saber products.  Happy hunting.

Other magazines have also published reviews of various products as well.

- Bruce Robertson, Senior Editor, Network Computing Magazine
     robertson@ssc.sscnet.ucla.edu

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From: SOHIER_DANNY%CTI%ULAVAL%CAMPUS.ULAVAL.CA@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

Watch out for LAN Auditor, The information I received from Aegis Corp., a
company that resells LA, was that it can't read information on computers with
ISA Technology, it will work fine on EISA and MCA.  A co-worker tested this
information and he found it to be true.  So anyone with EISA and/or MCA
achitecture is OK, as for the rest....(Big brother won't be watching you...)


All the best,

Danny J. Sohier
Laval University
DSOHIER@CTI.ULAVAL.CA