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From: hopper@ucunix.san.uc.edu (FreeBird)
Subject: Re: License
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:14:48 GMT

In article <C0G9Cn.AyJ@chinet.chi.il.us> dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung) writes:
>saleem@facl.lan.mcgill.ca (Saleem Ahamed) writes:
>>
>>To the person with the "Licence to Kill" memorabilia poster, "License" is
>>not misspelled.  This is the British spelling (and Canadian) spelling, as
>>opposed to "Licence" which is the US version of the word.  Unfortunately,
>>international film has to cater to the US market, thus explaining the
>>necessity for a spell change.
>
>Actually, the official title WAS _Licence to Kill_ even in the US.  I
>think the writer was referring to this fact rather than believing it
>to be a nonexistent word.
>
>In this sense, calling the film "License to Kill" was a misspelling.
>
>But to clear all this up, I recall that there was some discussion by
>the studio prior to release, first whether to call it _Licence Revoked_
>and if that would be understood by the dumb crowd.  (I think the dumb
>crowd would , in fact, be very familiar with getting their license
>revoked....)  Anyway, they also had to decide whether or not to change
>the title for their US marketing -- in the end they didn't.

 The reason behind that, was that was the original book title, also. If
you recall, John Gardner also wrote "Licence Renewed".

>Make of this what you will, but I thought they were wrong on both
>counts.
>
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From: agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (Matthias Zepf)
Subject: Re: Unbelievable
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Francis Edward (zed@cats.ucsc.edu) wrote:
> who says it was an air brake system? not all trucks are air
> brakes. small trucks like jeep and other 'utility vehicles'
> are often fluid brake systems.

Does the truck look like a small truck or an "utility vehicle"?

Matthias
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From: arneh@bsc.no (Arne Halvorsen)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: James Bond Drinking Game
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:04:18 GMT
Organization: Bergen Scientific Centre, Bergen, NORWAY

allo, allo.

  Yes, to get drunk on star trek is not fun anymore!, fast we need this, post
  it, and man, it better be good!!

bye.
From: jes@downey.dev.macsch.com (John Schiermeier)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: License
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:38:32 GMT
Organization: The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation

In article <saleem-060193095130@132.206.241.30> saleem@facl.lan.mcgill.ca (Saleem Ahamed) writes:
>
>To the person with the "Licence to Kill" memorabilia poster, "License" is
>not misspelled.  This is the British spelling (and Canadian) spelling, as
>opposed to "Licence" which is the US version of the word.  Unfortunately,
>international film has to cater to the US market, thus explaining the
>necessity for a spell change.
>
Isn't it the other way around - "license" in US, "licence" in Great
Britain?  I just checked my California driver's license to be sure,
and it was "license".

John
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman)
Subject: Re: JB Actor Nominees
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:01:45 GMT

In article <1ihr0bINN9j6@fnnews.fnal.gov>, REXLEX writes:
|> I've often thought about who should have taken over after Sean.  Actually,
|> there really are few known actors that even come close to the role, let along
|> stacking up against Sean.  But one that I've thought about, though I've seen
|> him in some really bad movies, still his character in Highlander showed that he
|> could work with SC.  I don't know what his name is, but he seems to have that
|> "manly" thing about him.  He also has a dry sense of humor like SC.  Also, his
|> age is about right for the role also.

If you're talking about the star of Highlander, his name is Christopher Lambert.
He may have the looks, but what about that atrocious accent?

This is a good point for having a netters poll of who should play Bond. My
choices in order of preference are:

Timothy Dalton (Up yours, I like him!)
Pierce Brosnan (A tad wimpy)
Daniel Day-Lewis (Hey, he's proved he can play anything)
                                               ^^^^^^^^

Okay, so the last one was a tad facetious, but this is a good subject for the
net. Besides, I'm getting bored with this Lazenby bashing.

Anthony
From: mkeiser@sccarace.EBay.Sun.COM (Mark Keiser)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: JB Actor Nominees
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:53:55 GMT
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Hi all.  Good discussion of who should play JB in the future.  However,
if any of you have read Ian Fleming's autobiography, he says he wanted Leslie
Howard to play Bond, and wrote the character with him in mind.

Kinda gives a new interpretation to the Bond-character myth?!?


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From: anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman)
Subject: Re: JB Actor Nominees
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:49:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.161317.4615@newsroom.bsc.no>, arneh@bsc.no (Arne Halvorsen) writes:
|> 
|> allo, allo.
|> 
|>   Not Chr. Lambert, great actor for some stuff as Highlander (*not* his fault
|>   they f***d up II), but he could't do Bond!
|> 
|>   Then I guess Harison Ford could do ok, but he would have to do better then
|>   in Patriotes game
        ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^

Amen to that! I saw "Patriot Games" for the first time last night and I thought
it stunk. There was plenty of action, but absolutely no character development.
i'm not trying to sound like an artsy critic, but from watching that movie I have
no idea who Jack Ryan, as a person, is. They tell you facts, like he's ex-CIA,
an ex-Marine, teaches at Annapolis, has a wife & kid, etc. But they never let you
know what the man's character is like, his thoughts or feelings, or anything. In
this respect I don't think you can blame Ford as much as the director and screen
writer, but Ford's performance was as flat and wooden as a board.

Contrast it with Bond's introduction in Dr. No. In the very first scene they
establish Bond is a smooth womanizer. He goes to see M and they establish that
he's a rugged, doesn't-always-play-by-the-rules agent with a danger streak. And
throughout the movie they establish what Bond is like as a man. Not so with Jack
Ryan. I only hope Clancy's books are better in this regard.

Anthony
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From: hopper@ucunix.san.uc.edu (FreeBird)
Subject: Re: License
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:25:13 GMT

In article <saleem-060193095130@132.206.241.30> saleem@facl.lan.mcgill.ca (Saleem Ahamed) writes:
>
>To the person with the "Licence to Kill" memorabilia poster, "License" is
>not misspelled.  This is the British spelling (and Canadian) spelling, as
>opposed to "Licence" which is the US version of the word.  Unfortunately,
>international film has to cater to the US market, thus explaining the
>necessity for a spell change.

 Exactly. That was what I meant. I have the poster *before* the spelling
change.

>Cheers,
>
>Saleem.


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From: troy@cs.sfu.ca (Troy Brooks)
Subject: Re: another blooper
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:43:24 GMT

A well known blooper: In Thunderball, Bond (Connery) gets his diving mask
ripped off during the big underwater fight. It's a black mask. He grabs 
a blue mask off a (dead) guy who is not using it, obviously, but in another
scene after that, he's got his black mask back on again. If I'm not mistaken,
we see the blue one again after that, and then the black one again. Oops...

Troy Brooks
troy@cs.sfu.ca
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: JB Actor Nominees
From: obie@hirama.hiram.edu
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:36:15 -0500
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-User: obie

> In alt.fan.james-bond, mkeiser@sccarace.EBay.Sun.COM (Mark Keiser) writes:
>>Hi all.  Good discussion of who should play JB in the future.  However,
>>if any of you have read Ian Fleming's autobiography, he says he wanted Leslie
>>Howard to play Bond, and wrote the character with him in mind.
>>
>>Kinda gives a new interpretation to the Bond-character myth?!?
Leslie Howard died in 1943. Was he the (sp) Ashley character in "Gone with
the Wind"? (I hope not or my entire view of Bond is destroyed.)
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: Unbelievable
Date: 9 Jan 1993 13:59:37 GMT
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oops  i was thinking about the jeeps on the rock.
sorry , yeah an air brake system has two subsystems
one is the driving brake that runs off the pedals
as in cars. this one will  not lock up if cut. the
other system is for  parking and it requires positive pressure
to stay free. if cut it will lock up. the only explain
would be if the brake system was damaged further back.
the line would still whip around until the cutout shut it off
but the trailers were new so it would have had to
have been random combat damage.
(i drove 14 wheel  furniture vans for a year so i 
 know a little about the air system from having to
 effect repairs oon the road. )
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From: hopper@ucunix.san.uc.edu (FreeBird)
Subject: Re: JB Actor Nominees
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:21:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.214934.13079@b8.b8.ingr.com> anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.161317.4615@newsroom.bsc.no>, arneh@bsc.no (Arne Halvorsen) writes:
>|> 
>|> allo, allo.
>|> 
>|>   Not Chr. Lambert, great actor for some stuff as Highlander (*not* his fault
>|>   they f***d up II), but he could't do Bond!
>|> 
>|>   Then I guess Harison Ford could do ok, but he would have to do better then
>|>   in Patriotes game
>        ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^
>
>Amen to that! I saw "Patriot Games" for the first time last night and I thought
>it stunk. There was plenty of action, but absolutely no character development.
>i'm not trying to sound like an artsy critic, but from watching that movie I have
>no idea who Jack Ryan, as a person, is. They tell you facts, like he's ex-CIA,
>an ex-Marine, teaches at Annapolis, has a wife & kid, etc. But they never let you
>know what the man's character is like, his thoughts or feelings, or anything. In
>this respect I don't think you can blame Ford as much as the director and screen
>writer, but Ford's performance was as flat and wooden as a board.

 Try reading Clancy's books. Patriot Games wasn't exactly a book for
major character development. Jack Ryan's character was already
established in _Hunt For Red October_, in both the book and movie.  In
Patriot Games, Ryan's family was threatened, and he was on a mission of
vengeance.  Parallel it with Dalton's performance in _Licence To Kill_.
He didn't expand the character either, and why? He was already
established, and the plot put him on a set course of action.

>Contrast it with Bond's introduction in Dr. No. In the very first scene they
>establish Bond is a smooth womanizer. He goes to see M and they establish that
>he's a rugged, doesn't-always-play-by-the-rules agent with a danger streak. And
>throughout the movie they establish what Bond is like as a man. Not so with Jack
>Ryan. I only hope Clancy's books are better in this regard.
>
>Anthony
From: REXLEX
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: JB Actor Nominees
Date: 7 Jan 1993 17:58:34 GMT
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I've often thought about who should have taken over after Sean.  Actually,
there really are few known actors that even come close to the role, let along
stacking up against Sean.  But one that I've thought about, though I've seen
him in some really bad movies, still his character in Highlander showed that he
could work with SC.  I don't know what his name is, but he seems to have that
"manly" thing about him.  He also has a dry sense of humor like SC.  Also, his
age is about right for the role also.

-comments?
Rex
From: hopper@ucunix.san.uc.edu (FreeBird)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: License
Date: 7 Jan 93 04:50:10 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <1993Jan6.203832.11893@draco.macsch.com> jes@downey.dev.macsch.com (John Schiermeier) writes:
>In article <saleem-060193095130@132.206.241.30> saleem@facl.lan.mcgill.ca (Saleem Ahamed) writes:
>>
>>To the person with the "Licence to Kill" memorabilia poster, "License" is
>>not misspelled.  This is the British spelling (and Canadian) spelling, as
>>opposed to "Licence" which is the US version of the word.  Unfortunately,
>>international film has to cater to the US market, thus explaining the
>>necessity for a spell change.
>>
>Isn't it the other way around - "license" in US, "licence" in Great
>Britain?  I just checked my California driver's license to be sure,
>and it was "license".

 I believe he just got mixed up.

>John
>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: hopper@ucunix.san.uc.edu (FreeBird)
Subject: Re: LAZENBY BASHING!!!!
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:44:06 GMT

In article <29211@oasys.dt.navy.mil> lewis@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Lewis) writes:
>In alt.fan.james-bond, dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>>i agree with all this lazenby bashing...he was the worst James Bond
>>ever (although i think roger moore also was pretty bad!!!)
>>
>>did you know, however, that lazenby is considered to be the BEST
>>james bond by movie critics and the arts and croissant crowd.
>>
>>how do they figure that????
>>
>>don wedding
>
>Ok in order of best to worst IMHO,
>
>connery (of course)
>moore
>dalton (close tie to moore)
>lazenby
>AND....
>sellers (I bet you forgot this one)
>
>though sellers beats lazenby just by his comedic abilities, lazenby's
>acting was so bad it wasn't even funny

 I'm going to wait til the next movie to make a decision, but I might
put dalton above Moore. Maybe it was just Licence To Kill, but Dalton
had the same ruthlessness that Connery had, and Moore definitely lacked.

 And in the "James Bond Memorabilia" file...I've got the original
_Licence to Kill_ movie poster, saying "coming, July 89", with Licence
misspelled as "License".
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Date: Friday, 8 Jan 1993 07:02:08 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: The Last JB movie!

I thought about this for a long time, I think James Bond 007 as we know him
today should be terminated.  Sean Connery would be brought back for this last
and final chapter, I know he's old, but I thought he was the best of the JBs.
The movie should be done in good taste, no "Moonraker BS", just straight foward
secret agent stuff.  I think they sould also bring back Ernst Stavro Blofeld,
an older Gent with a scar on his face and with the famous white cat.  One
other prop, the Silver Aston Martin DB5 with all the gagets. I could picture
Mr. Connery looking mighty nice driving this, with his silver hair and a
twinkle in his eye.  The final scene would be a showdown between Bond and
Blofeld which I will leave to the writters.
                                            -Tom
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From: saleem@facl.lan.mcgill.ca (Saleem Ahamed)
Subject: License
Followup-To: alt.fan.james-bond
Organization: McGill University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:56:38 GMT


To the person with the "Licence to Kill" memorabilia poster, "License" is
not misspelled.  This is the British spelling (and Canadian) spelling, as
opposed to "Licence" which is the US version of the word.  Unfortunately,
international film has to cater to the US market, thus explaining the
necessity for a spell change.

Cheers,

Saleem.
From: martijn@cwi.nl (Martijn Roos Lindgreen)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: JB Actor Nominees
Date: 8 Jan 93 09:36:51 GMT

>>Are you talking about Christopher Lambert? I hope not, since he can't act (at
>>least not where speaking is involved - I guess his role in Greystoke or 
>>whatever is ok). 

Cristopher Lambert? Yuck.

I prefer Timothy Dalton. But then I'd prefer almost anyone above CL.

1 for, 3 against?


Martijn 

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From: agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (Matthias Zepf)
Subject: Re: another blooper
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Tait Cyrus (cyrus@convex.com) wrote:
> Ever notice in Diamonds are Forever in the scene where JB is
> in the moon buggy that there is a point where the moon buggy
> goes off screen, to the left, and then 2 cars, chasing JB,
> appear at the top of the hill and roll down it.

Yeah, I noticed this scene ... :-)

Here is another: In "You only live twice" (in German: "Man lebt
nur zweimal") is inspecting a cave (sitting in a small boat).
Bond (and his girl) leave the cave by swimming (diving) because
there is poisoned gas inside the cave. After exiting the water,
both climb a big mountain (without any packaging, the girl wears
nearly nothing). Reaching the top of the mountain, Bond sends the
girl back to get some help. Heself is climbing down in the vulcan
and suddenly he has special technical equipment to climb inside
the vulcan cave.

Matthias
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Subject: Re: JB Actor Nominees
From: obie@hirama.hiram.edu
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:07:04 -0500
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-User: obie

In article <1993Jan9.092218.1@hirama.hiram.edu>, bakerjd@hirama.hiram.edu 
writes:
> 	I like Christopher Lambert a lot, but I'm afraid I have to agree,
> he doesn't strike me as a Bond type. On the other hand, there is always
> the actor who plays Highlander in the Series: Adrian Paul. He has said
> that he would like to play Bond, he has the light British accent (as opposed
> to CL very heavy accent from where?), he is a _very_ decent actor, and is also
> the right age. Would anyone agree with me?
	Yes- I'd vote for Adrian Paul! However, I'm willing to stay with
Dalton for as long as he'll keep the role. He looks like the Bond described
in the books.
	No, no, no to Ford!
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From: dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung)
Subject: Re: License
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:38:46 GMT

saleem@facl.lan.mcgill.ca (Saleem Ahamed) writes:
>
>To the person with the "Licence to Kill" memorabilia poster, "License" is
>not misspelled.  This is the British spelling (and Canadian) spelling, as
>opposed to "Licence" which is the US version of the word.  Unfortunately,
>international film has to cater to the US market, thus explaining the
>necessity for a spell change.

Actually, the official title WAS _Licence to Kill_ even in the US.  I
think the writer was referring to this fact rather than believing it
to be a nonexistent word.

In this sense, calling the film "License to Kill" was a misspelling.

But to clear all this up, I recall that there was some discussion by
the studio prior to release, first whether to call it _Licence Revoked_
and if that would be understood by the dumb crowd.  (I think the dumb
crowd would , in fact, be very familiar with getting their license
revoked....)  Anyway, they also had to decide whether or not to change
the title for their US marketing -- in the end they didn't.

Make of this what you will, but I thought they were wrong on both
counts.

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Subject: Re: JB Actor Nominees
From: bakerjd@hirama.hiram.edu
Date: 9 Jan 93 09:22:18 -0500
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-User: bakerjd

In article <C0I5ss.MM5@math.uwaterloo.ca>, rjtapp@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Riston Tapp) writes:
> In article <1ihr0bINN9j6@fnnews.fnal.gov> REXLEX writes:
>>I've often thought about who should have taken over after Sean.  Actually,
>>there really are few known actors that even come close to the role, let along
>>stacking up against Sean.  But one that I've thought about, though I've seen
>>him in some really bad movies, still his character in Highlander showed that he
>>could work with SC.  I don't know what his name is, but he seems to have that
>>"manly" thing about him.  He also has a dry sense of humor like SC.  Also, his
>>age is about right for the role also.
>>
>>-comments?
>>Rex
> 
> Are you talking about Christopher Lambert? I hope not, since he can't act (at
> least not where speaking is involved - I guess his role in Greystoke or 
> whatever is ok). 
> 
> 1 for, 1 against - who'll break the tie?
> 
> Riston
> 
	I like Christopher Lambert a lot, but I'm afraid I have to agree,
he doesn't strike me as a Bond type. On the other hand, there is always
the actor who plays Highlander in the Series: Adrian Paul. He has said
that he would like to play Bond, he has the light British accent (as opposed
to CL very heavy accent from where?), he is a _very_ decent actor, and is also
the right age. Would anyone agree with me?
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From: tasos@cs.bu.edu (Anastasios Kotsikonas)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: Unbelievable
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:41:04 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

Also in Thunderball, Bond is picked up on a road by the beach at night
by Largo's woman and driven to his hotel (which is the same as hers) and
some scenes of the drive are clearly done in daylight, others in pitch dark.


Tasos
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