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From: mario@theglove.Canada.Sun.Com (Mario Dorion # extra topping $1.75)
Subject: Re: Mail tool header display.
Reply-To: mario@theglove.Canada.Sun.Com
Organization: Sun Microsystems du Canada
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:27:36 GMT

In article 523@marjoram.UUCP, tuan@ukfca1 (Tuan Pham) writes:
>Hi,
>	A quick question on setting up the OpenWindow's (v2) Mail tool...
>
>	How can I set up mailtool to display the headers of messages in
>	a different format ?
>

Hello!

I'm not sure whether you can do it for V2, but you have full control on
V3 mailtool's display format. Here's some old email on that topic I
saved:

>We have an undocumented feature (undocumented because we couldn't
>figure out a good GUI for manipulating it).  We used the mush format
>for this header.
>
>Here is the technical poop:
>
>The mailrc variable is "header_format".  If "header_format" isn't set,
>we use one of two defaults, depending on whether "showto" is set or not.
>
>                if (mt_value("showto")) {
>                        format = "%3m %-18.40r %16.16d %4l/%-5c %-.100s";
>                } else {
>                        format = "%3m %-18.40f %16.16d %4l/%-5c %-.100s";
>                }
>
>Here is the description of the various fields:
>
>/*
> * format and print a header string.  We use the Mush format:
> *
> * %% -- a single %
> * %c -- number of bytes in the message
> * %C -- number of bytes in the message contents
> * %f -- entire from field
> * %l -- number of lines in the message
> * %L -- number of lines in the message contents
> * %i -- message id
> * %s -- subject of message
> * %t -- To: field (recipients)
> * %r -- recipient (sender, or to line if you sent)
> * %d -- date and time of the message
> * %n -- sender's real name (if any; otherwise use %r )
> * %?header? -- insert contents of header (if any)
> *
> * You can also specify a field width in printf format: either
> * %25s (25 chars of subject), %.25s (no more than 25 chars),
> * or %10.25s (at least 10 and no more than 25 chars)
> *
> * leading '-' means to left justify the string.
> *
> */
>
>So translating into techno-weenie talk, it sounds like your big complaint
>is that the subject field should be fixed width and truncate; that the
>default should be something like "%40.40s" instead of "%18.40s".
>
>Go ahead and try this in your .mailrc and see if I'm drawing the right
>conclusion.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 10:53:07 EDT
From: fgreco@fis1026.shearson.com (Frank Greco)
Subject: Re: Need help in selecting a Panel Text Field.

>    Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
>    From: alex@bnkc08.Bell.CA (Alex Laney)
>    Organization: Bell Canada - Ops Dvlpmt (Ntwk Systems)
>    Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:34:18 GMT
> 
>    I need to make a 'Panel Text Field' highlighted. I.e., selected. The
>    environment I am using is OpenWindows 2 and XView. Could someone point me
>    to some sample code to do this? If I have to fake mouse events to a text
>    field that is okay with me, but I really don't want to re-invent this if I
>    don't have to. I have a copy of the O'Reilly XView Manual, which describes
>    how to do this with text sub-windows, but that's not what I want. I know
>    that I can set the PANEL_CARET_ITEM, but that's just too subtle for the
>    user audience for the application I work on.
> 
>    If this is solved simply in OpenWindows 3, I might just use that ...
> 
> 
> yes it's solved in V3, and you are correct that calling it's
> event handler with the correct actions will work as well.

	I've had the same scenario (OL text selection is non-obvious to
	a certain class of users).  In addition to PANEL_CARET_ITEM, I've
	drawn a colored box around the item that has the focus.

	Frank G.

	It would be nice if the scrollers around text items repeated if
	the user held the mouse button down (or at least had a resource
	to enable/disable).
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: hwang@multisys.com (Kailan Hwang)
Subject: kless and kgui
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 436-8929            E-mail: info@multisys.com
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:10:35 GMT


I just posted two programs based on Sun's OLIT library on
'alt.sources'.
 
kless is a files viewer with a nice user interface.
 
kgui was intented to be a dynamic gui builder, but
instead to be only a menu builder which can be
controled or programed through shell scripts.
 
Both programs are very crude with little documentation.
 
If I can find another job soon, I will keep developing
both programs and fixing bugs, otherwise ....
 
 
hwang@multisys.com
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: kramer@cs.toronto.edu (Bryan M Kramer)
Subject: what cm needs
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:47:35 GMT

The repeat command in the appointment editor needs to be expressed as

Repeat every _____  {Day(s) Week(s) Month(s)}

so that most common repetitions (e.g. every 3 months) can be
expressed. The Days choice could have a menu so that one could express
things like
Repeat every n Mondays.
From: fgreco@fis1026.shearson.com (Frank Greco)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: Any tools that create PostScript Outline fonts?
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:11:46 GMT
Distribution: world

> Are any tools available for an OpenWindows environment that allow
> you to create Postscript outline fonts for printing and/or online
> display?

	Contact Sun re: "Typemaker", its an unbundled product that
	generates F3 fonts for OW.

	Frank G.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
From: toone@looney.Eng.Sun.COM (Nolan Toone)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: ToolTalk, PageView, Filemgr
Date: 8 Sep 1992 21:43:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: toone@looney.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: looney

In article 12974@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov, rouquett@Aig.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Nicolas Rouquette) writes:
>In article <1992Sep6.225229.5472@sq.sq.com>, lee@sq.sq.com (Liam R. E. Quin) writes:
>|> km@mathcs.emory.edu writes:
>|> > rouquett@Aig.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Nicolas Rouquette) writes:
>|> >>
>|> >>With 'strings pageview' I can tell that the program can respond
>|> >>to a tooltalk protocol. Does anyone know what message format needs to be
>|> >>broadcasted for a pageview to accept it and display a postscript file?
>|> 
>|> I don't know...
>

The Desktop Intergration Guide Apendix D has documentation for the 
Deskset Defined ToolTalk Messages. The one BIG confusion with this is
that it uses the X-Server to actually pass the data by setting a selection
atom and passing its name. Then the receiving process pulls it over using
standard X Selection/Dragndrop. (see the dispatch_data and retrieve_data
messages).

Note that pageview has an otype = Sun_DeskSet_Object_pageview and
a ptype of Sun_DeskSet_pageview so you launch it by sending an Object
message launch to Sun_DeskSet_Object_pageview then from then on
you communicate with it using handler messages and setting the 
handler procid to that of the returned launch messages procid.

Good luck,
Nolan Toone

>
>-- 
>----------Nicolas Rouquette----------rouquett@aig.jpl.nasa.gov
>    Artificial Intelligence Group
>      Jet Propulsion Laboratory



Nolan Toone
Xref: sparky comp.windows.open-look:3812 comp.windows.x:16599
From: bardo@ief-paris-sud.fr (Bardo Muller)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.intrinsics
Subject: _XrmPermStringToQuark ??
Keywords: ld.so
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:02:47 GMT
Reply-To: bardo@ief-paris-sud.fr
Followup-To: comp.windows.open-look
Organization: Universite de Paris

Dear readers,

while trying to install an application (xgopher) I came up with
a (at least for me) rather cryptic message during runtime:

bardo@gonzales> ld.so: Undefined symbol: _XrmPermStringToQuark

I tried the X11R4 option, it doesn't change. Help! Please e-mail.


Merci

Bardo
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From: dover@maxwellexpl.hrl.hac.com (Barbara Dover)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Very slow scrolling lists? HELP!!!!!!
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:01:53 GMT
Organization: Hughes Research Lab., Malibu, CA



I am building a GUI with 64 scrolling lists on the same Popup window.
Each of these scrolling lists has 130 elements. My problem is that
when these scrolling lists are updated the system slows down
dramatically.  
 
My questions are:
 
  1) Does anyone know how to configure the scrolling lists such
that only the visible elements are updated? And the other elements
are updated later?
 
  2) Should I be using scrolling lists, or is there some other
widget that would be more efficient?
 
  3) What other ways can I make this more efficient?
 
Thanks,
 
Barbara
From: carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk (Carl Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: ol(v)wm and menu fonts
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:17:17 GMT
Reply-To: carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

Ok, I give up, I've read every manual I can think of (and some I couldnt :),
all I want to do is to change the font in the workspace menu.  I could do it
in sunview can anyone give me a clue on how to do it in OW3?

Thanks,
Carl
From: km@mathcs.emory.edu (Ken Mandelberg)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: ToolTalk, PageView, Filemgr
Date: 5 Sep 92 15:51:53 GMT
Reply-To: km@mathcs.emory.edu
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS

In article 18954@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov, rouquett@Aig.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Nicolas Rouquette) writes:
>
>With 'strings pageview' I can tell that the program can respond
>to a tooltalk protocol. Does anyone know what message format needs to be
>broadcasted for a pageview to accept it and display a postscript file?
>
>I'm interested for two reasons:
>
>filemgr: if you open a ps file, a new pageview program is started; 
>	 that's usually slow. Loading a new ps file instead would be faster.
>
>tex/latex & emacs: Same concept from a different environment. 
> 	 From emacs, it's very easy to invoke tex, latex, bibtex, or dvips. 
> 	 It would be even more convevient to send a tooltalk msg to pageview
> 	 for a quick preview.
>

I'm interested in about the same thing. I would at least like to be
able to do as well as the old "suntroff" previewer. With suntroff you
had the option of either specifying a file or a shell pipeline as
input. So what you did was bring up suntroff with the right pipeline
(tbl|eqn|troff, etc) and bring up an editor window with the source. To
get a quick preview you did a "commit" in the editor, and hit the input
button in suntroff.  Suntroff let you specify the pipeline as a command
line argument, so this meant you could hide the details of setup.

As it sits, pageview is less flexible than suntroff since it can only
take a file (or a drop) as input. The best logistics I can come up with
is to manually give pageview a temp file name, pin its load button, and
arrange a pipleine into the temp file externally. So to preview you do
an editor commit, run the pipeline into the temp file, and then hit the
pinned load button. I don't use emacs, but I presume you could manage
running the editor buffer directly into the pipeline with one macro in
emacs, then hit the pinned load button.


In pageview the load button does not inherit the command line filename
as its default value, so there is always some muss and fuss arranging
the startup, even if you can make the editor side easy and can stand
specifying a temp file.

I'm a "vi" user myself, who has more or less moved to textedit. What I
really want is an application that brings up a textedit window, with a
button that runs the window contents through a specified pipeline, and
uses tooltalk to bring up (or reuse) a pageview to rasterize the
output. No temp files, no multiple clicks, just one click to update the
preview.

If there was a program that would take its stdin, use tooltalk to 
bring up (or reuse) a pageview, triggering the rasterize, you could
approximate this with editor side mapping/macros.


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From: richb@jans.Eng.Sun.COM (Rich Burridge)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: Binding a filetype to run a program in a shelltool window
Date: 13 Sep 1992 18:50:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: jans

In article <1992Sep12.175715.26219@lth.se> kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson) writes:
>I'm having problems when I bind mail folders to run:
>
>  shelltool elm -f $FILE
>
>This does bring up a window and start elm correctly with the right
>folder,  but elm thinks that the screen is not the correct size...

Aww, tell me about it. Try:

shelltool sh -c "sleep 2; elm -f $FILE"

Bogus huh?  Perhaps in the fullness of time, taking all things into
consideration and allowing for all eventualities, it is conceivably
possible that somebody might think about fixing this problem with
shelltool. Nah...
From: dlopata@stat.ufl.edu (David Lopata)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Logging out from OpenWin 3.0 ?
Keywords: openwin logout exit
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:15:39 GMT
Organization: Dept of Statistics, University of Florida


...

	I'm a rather new user/administrator to the OpenWindows environment,
so excuse me if this is FAQ. . .

	Is there a way to Logout from within Openwin?  I noticed the menu
command "exit" has a keyword EXIT (wow) for the operation.  Are there any
other keywords that effect the environment from a menu?

 
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: johndew@watson.ibm.com (John Dewysocki)
Subject: Missing subject header
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:01:49 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

We have upgraded to SunOs 4.1.2 and X11R5, my problem is that
I can't start up openwindows any more.  When I try to execute
openwin it complains in the following way, then dies:

Couldn't get base SunWindow
/usr/openwin/bin/xinit:  Connection refused (errno 61): unable to 
connect to X server

I have all the correct env. variables set up correctly, the right
path ahead of /usr/bin/X11, and have been able to run 
/usr/openwin/bin/xinit by itself (running olwm) w/out a problem.

It seems the problem is with xnews (which complains about the
base SunWindow - above).  Unfortunately, I do not have any 
X11/NeWS literature to refer to.  Can anyone give me any
pointers?  Is this a X11R5/NeWS problem?
Thanks,  
-- 

     ~    John    ~ 
|///////////\\\\\\\\\\\|
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: roland@jts.com (Roland Knight )
Subject: Re: de-iconify problem - correction
Organization: JTS Computer Systems Ltd.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:14:31 GMT

Oops!  In my previous post the XtSetArg line should read:
	XtSetArg(args[0], XtNiconic, FALSE);

Roland
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: djones@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (david.jones)
Subject: OLIT3.0 Broken ?
Keywords: OLIT, Notice
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:41:59 GMT

I have an application that uses notices written using OLIT.

Under OLIT2.5 all works well.

Under OLIT3.0 when the notice is popped down, the pointer still
seems to be grabbed and I can not select any other buttons etc !

Any clues ?

- Dave


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From: nt05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Nico Tjandra)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Setting up olvwm
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:34:21 GMT

Hi,
    I am trying to install the binary version of olvwm on a Sparc 2. How
do I invoke olvwm instead of olwm. I am running openwindows 3. Any help
would be greatly appreciated.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson)
Subject: Binding a filetype to run a program in a shelltool window
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:57:15 GMT

I'm having problems when I bind mail folders to run:

  shelltool elm -f $FILE

This does bring up a window and start elm correctly with the right
folder,  but elm thinks that the screen is not the correct size...
If I type the above line from an existing shelltool (instead of
double-clicking the mail folder's icon in the file manager), all is
normal...  I believe this has something to do with the file manager
running it's programs thru the console window...  I believe that
problem should manifest itself in other examples - NOT just in using
elm...  ANY IDEAS?
-- 
Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science,
Lunds universitet.  Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: lee@sq.sq.com (Liam R. E. Quin)
Subject: Re: Font problems - Sun, Open-look V3
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:58:42 GMT

fgreco@fis1026.shearson.com (Frank Greco) writes:
> True "OL" (do you mean OW?) fonts are F3 fonts (perhaps Type 1
> in the future?).  Creating a new scaleable (F3) font can be
> done with the TypeMaker; but it's a non-trivial task if you're
> starting from scratch.  TypeMaker is an unbundled product from Sun.

OpenWindows 3.0.1 will support Type 1 fonts under Solaris 2, as I
understand it.

TypeMaker understands URW IKARUS format fonts.  These are generally the
highest quality fonts around; Sun's decision to use such high-quality data
as a starting point for their type, plus an auto-hinter that's probably
the best around, has resulted in OpenWindows having excellent fonts.

Compare bitmaps between OpenWindows 3, Mac Sysem 7 (TrueType), Microsoft
Windows 3.1 (TrueType), Adobe ATM (Type 1), X11R5 (Speedo), and you'll see
what I mean.

Having said all that, I am not aware of any public-domain F3 fonts, nor any
software to convert trueType or Type 1 fonts to F3.  The F3 spec is availble
free of charge from Sun, and - especially when Solaris moves to the 386 - I
shouldn't be surprised to see such software in the future.  Getting anything
like Sun's quality of hinting would be an interesting challenge.

Lee

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From: mattb@ssc-vax (Matt Baney)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: XV-KEY_DATA Numbers
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:42:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: ssc-bee.5538
Reply-To: mattb@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Matt Baney)
Organization: Boeing Aerospace & Electronics

In article <12665@ecs.soton.ac.uk> djp@ecs.soton.ac.uk writes:
>>>  Some key values are used by the XView toolkit routines for their
>>>own purposes.  (This is the case in XView 2.0, I haven't checked the
>>>3.0 source, since the values below have worked fine there also.)
>>>
>>>  For my key values, I start at 10001 and go up.  This has so far
>>>avoided any collision problems.  It is not as easy as it should be
>>>to figure out what key values are unused.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>
>I believe xv_unique_key() does the job.
>
What I don't understand though is do I have to call xv_unique_key
everytime I create an object and want to use an XV_KEY_DATA slot??
If I create 1000 panel_buttons and I want to attach an author-name
to each button can I do this

  int AUTHOR_KEY = xv_unique_key();

  xv_create(XV_NULL, PANEL_BUTTON, 
	    PANEL_ITEM_LABEL, "sdlkjfl",
	    XV_X,  ....
	    XV_KEY_DATA, AUTHOR_KEY, "M. BANEY",
	    NULL);

	    or

Do I have to do this:

  xv_create(XV_NULL, PANEL_BUTTON, 
	    PANEL_ITEM_LABEL, "sdlkjfl",
	    XV_X,  ....
	    XV_KEY_DATA, xv_unique_key(), "M. BANEY",
	    NULL);

thanks~!!


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From: swf@teradata.com (Stanley Friesen)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: Why is the File Manager in OW 3.0 so buggy?
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:26:01 GMT
Reply-To: swf@tdat.teradata.com (Stanley Friesen)
Organization: NCR Teradata Database Business Unit

In article <3219@peking.gdwb.oz.au> csb@gdwb.oz.au (Craig Bishop) writes:
|nghoff@albert.monsanto.com (Norman G. Hoffman) writes:
|
|5. Sun need to publish specifications of the "Calendar Manager"
|   protocol. Users want to create alternate front ends and be
|   able to extract the calendar information using other tools. An
|   example would be producing an interface to a hand held
|   calendar device like those provided by "Sony" and "Casio".
|   Another would be a interface for users of PC's in a mixed
|   environment of PC's running PCNFS and Suns.
|
|   RFE # 1083380
|

Another example that came up here was to use the CM system to schedule
conference rooms, with a sufficiently simple interface that computer
neophytes could schedule the conferences.  (The normal CM interface is
too powerful for this restricted use).
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: lee@sq.sq.com (Liam R. E. Quin)
Subject: Problems starting openwin [Re: Missing subject header]
Keywords: X11R5, SunOS 4.1.2
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 03:59:29 GMT

Sorry to post this, but I can't send mail to the original poster, the header
got garbled somewhere.

>|> We have upgraded to SunOs 4.1.2 and X11R5, my problem is that
>|> I can't start up openwindows any more.  When I try to execute
>|> openwin it complains in the following way, then dies:
>|> 
>|> Couldn't get base SunWindow
>|> /usr/openwin/bin/xinit:  Connection refused (errno 61): unable to
>|> connect to X server

Things to check:

If you elected not to install SunView (suntools) support when you installed
SunOS, you should start xnews with the -nosunview option.

X11R5 should not be involved here.
Make sure that your PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH have $OPENHOME/bin and
$OPENWINHOME/lib (respectively) before any references to (e.g.) /usr/bin/X11.

If you have a .xserverrc, remove it (or rename it).
In fact, a good idea is
    cd
    mkdir dots
    mv .[xXous]* dots
    mv NeWS dots/NeWS # if you have a NeWS directory

Then log out altogether, log in again and try "openwin" again.

But the most likely cause is that you need -nosunview.

Some less likely possibilities:
* you are missing the /dev entry for /dev/fb, /dev/cgfour0 or whatever
  [unlikely as you've been able to start xnews]

* you are missing the /dev entries or kernel support for SunView (/dev/win*)

* you still have an old .xinitrc that is incompatible with OpenWindows 3

* you started xnews as root and there are files in /tmp (e.g. .X11-unix)
  or process (eg. xv_sv_sel) running that you can't overwrite/stop.

* you have DISPLAY set to something other than your_machine:0; unset DISPLAY
  and try again [I have seen this problem!].

* you are running an old copy of the openwin shell script

Note also that you might be missing some error messages; you could do
	openwin 2> /tmp/oops.log
or (for csh users, I _think_)
	openwin >& /tmp/oops.log

Lee

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look