HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rec@nobska.Idbsu.EDU (Robert E. Conant)
Subject: Wanted: Russian->English xlation s/w
Reply-To: rec@nobska.Idbsu.EDU (Robert E. Conant)
Organization: Boise State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:38:46 GMT

I am looking for Russian to English translation software, and would appreciate 
any information on commercial or, preferably, public domain packages.  Also,
pointers on what Cyrillic OCR software is available, would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Bob Conant
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.jewish
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: Re: Ethnic violence in ESTONIA Against Jews
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:07:55 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14a by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <1992Oct15.093022.8989@cs.hut.fi>  f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{) writes:
>oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky) writes:
>>Is it not this sickening that no one on the net from the Baltic
>>region said anything to the effect that he/she is ashamed of these
>>Estonian actions ? Prove you are not fascists - say 'down with
>>fascism, down with Estonian neo-Nazis'.
>
>Do you want people to officially deny that they are not Nazis? Should we
>all repeat in choir that 'Nazism is bad'? Why don't all the Russians
>in the net say 'down with Pamyat, down with Russian ultra-nationalism'?

As I said, I am yet to see a single word of regret about neo-fascist actions
from anyone from the Baltic region. All Baltic netters in this group are
doing is coming up with some pretexts as to why graves were desecrated
and why SS anniversary should be celebrated. So, I challenge you or anyone
else from the Baltics to come out and express your anger about the rising
tide of fascism in the Baltics, Germany and elsewhere in Europe - not just
Estonia.

Oleg V
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: jt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jeno Torocsik)
Subject: Vujity Tvrutko - US lecture tour
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 00:08:51 GMT

A 20 year old Hungarian war reporter, Vujity Tvrutko, has been reporting
from Yugoslavia for one and a half years. He made interviews with most of
the leading figures of the crisis, broadcasted from the front lines, from
closed cities, from POW camps, was imprisoned and wounded twice.
 
My association was asked to organize a US lecture tour for him. The following
letter gives a more detailed description of him and the planned tour.
 
Should you and your institution be intrested in hosting Vujity Tvrutko,
please contact me and forward the letter to whom it may concern.  
 
Feel free to send me email for further information. 
 
Jeno Torocsik 
email (please write to this address, not only to this newsgroup): 
ecom001hueco.uni-wien.ac.at 
 
tel./fax: 011-36-1-184-9295
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeno Torocsik 
Apeiron Association 
Budapest 
Gepmadar ut 9., 3. em. 18.
HUNGARY 
Tel./Fax: 36-1 184-9295 
email: ecom001hueco.uni-wien.ac.at
 
Dear Sir/Madam:
 
In May, 1991, an 18 year old Hungarian -ethnic Croatian-, Vujity Tvrutko
set off to Yugoslavia as a self-made war reporter. He made interviews with
personalities like Milan Panic, Franjo Tudjman, Alia Izetbegovich, 
Radovan Karadzich, Mate Boban, Stepan Kluyich, Reis ul Ulema Selimoski, 
Ibrahim Rugova, Voislav Seselj, was wounded and imprisoned twice.
 
In 1992 he received the Hungarian Pulitzer for his objective and
comprehensive investigative reporting. His reports were broadcasted 
by, among else, the BBC and large Austrian and German media. His book 
on the war  was published in Hungary 1992, the English, German and Italian 
editions are expected to appear early next year. His film on the Yugoslavian 
situation was shown by almost all large Western TV networks. His lectures 
in Austrian and Hungarian universities great popularity. At present 
he is working for a number of Hungarian papers and is employed by
the Hungarian National Security Office as an expert. 
 
Vujity Tvrutko is planning a lecture tour in the US between November 25
and December 30, and would be delighted to visit your institution too.
His lecture would include a thorough analysis of the Yugoslavian crisis
and his film going to be made this month showing the recent situation.
However, he cannot, himself, finance his trip, which is why he turned to
our association. If your institution should be interested in hosting
Vujity Tvrutko, it is necessary that some contribution be made to his
travel expenses. Please feel free to contact me at the above tel./fax no.
or e-mail address for further information.
 
                                                    Yours sincerely
 
                                                    Jeno Torocsik
 
  P.S.: A further objective of Vujity Tvrutko's US tour would be to
collect aid for the refugees of the Yugoslavian crisis. As - unfortunately
- their numbers are constantly growing, all support is extremely welcome.
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Ethnic violence in ESTONIA (Was: Fursten
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:11:03 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1aue65INNlm5@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au 
(INFIDEL) writes:

Of course there were detestable fascists all over Europe, also in
Finland. I have no intention whatsoever to "explain" their vicious
deeds. 

I'll comment only the prophecy:

> 5 years from now, Western liberals and Estonian nationalists will be
> dismayed at and abhorred by the interethnic slaughter in Estonia.
> They'll wonder what went wrong; and while Western liberals sit back in
> their cushy armchair having another wine, the Estonian nationalist will
> be out on the street killing yet another  non-Estonian in  a
> "revenge-killing" that "had to happen".  Maybe "ethnic cleansing" will
> then seem like a very good idea.

Please, do not accuse people of what they have not done. You might be
tomorrow running amok in your local supermarket and killing dozens
of innocent Western Australians with your rifle!

You make a very strong claim here. Of course, it is impossible for me to
tell the future, but I still outline the most likely outcomes,
especially the worst scenarios:

- Narva might declare itself as a free city (with violence).
- There might be some border skirmishes between Estonia and Russia
- The Russians could start trade embargo against Estonia (which is
  almost warfare, since the country is still occupied by Russian forces)
- The occupation of Estonia might continue.


The only violent threats we hear in Estonia come from some groups in Russian
parliament. Of course, if Russia falls apart and the democratic Yeltsin
will be pushed aside, God save Estonia!

Since Estonia has become a part of Helsinki process and tries to become
Part of European council, all violent outbursts in Estonia will be
supressed by the Estonian government, because they are deeply unpatriotic.

As president Lennart Meri said before the elections in Estonian TV:
Let's face the facts: One MIG crosses the Estonian territory in
eight minutes. The price of one MIG amounts about 50% of the Estonian
state budget (of which 3,6% is spent on defense, which he didn't add).

I think the Russians should feel themselves secure considering the alleged
threat from the Estonian side. If only it could remain true other
way around!

There are very few jews in Estonia. One of the first things the Savisaari
government did in 1989, was to secure them their rights to form associations.
There is no "jewish problem" in Estonia. Just your nightmares.

with the best regards

Tapani Hietaniemi, University of Helsinki
From: FZC@nihcu.bitnet (Message Center)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Error in a message
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:10:42 GMT
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Please ignore the previous message, it was sent to a
mailing list by mistake, i.e. the $wrong mailing list.
From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Ethnic violence in ESTONIA?
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:33:14 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: madvax.maths.uwa.oz.au

thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:


>In article <1bb0sdINNs4d@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au
>(INFIDEL) writes:

>> The Latvian/Estonian fascists have mates shelling Sarajevo; world war
>> two war crimes are well documented. Any Latvian or Estonian who believes
>> that denying unconditional citizenship is a just way to build their
>> nation is partaking of the legacy of fascism and therefore is morally
>> culpable for fascist acts carried out in the past, present and future.

>It should be obvious that I am not responsible of any deeds of any fascists
>whatsoever. Neither the democratic Estonians.

>>>You might be
>>>tomorrow running amok in your local supermarket and killing dozens
>>>of innocent Western Australians with your rifle!
>>
>> I will make sure that it is a Finnish supermarket and that you are
>> amongst the crowd.
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>No more questions, your honour.

>Case closed.

As closed as your mind.


>Tapani Hietaniemi, University of Helsinki
From: albrecht@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Chad Edward Albrecht)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Missle Armament
Date: 14 Oct 1992 06:05:56 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

I would like to know what the total number of nuclear and biological 
weapons the new commonwealth of independent states have access to
or acctually possess.  Could someone please post some info on 
where to find this info or post some actual numbers?

Thanks
Chad

--
-----------------------------------------
|	albrecht@csd4.csd.uwm.edu	|
-----------------------------------------
"The chess board is the world, the pieces are the phenomena of the
universe, the rules of the game are what we call the laws of nature."

-T.H. Huxley  
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: dleschin@FEDS66.PRIME.COM ("", Dmitri Leschiner)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: SOME ASPECTS OF THE LAW FOR CITIZENSHIP OF ESTONIA
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:03:25 GMT
Reply-To: "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

> Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:55:29 GMT
> From: thietaniemi@CC.HELSINKI.FI
>
> I DO think that the Estonian government should consider giving
> the right to acquire citizenship to anyone born in Estonia (with, perhaps,
> some recidency requirement but without any language requirement).
>
> But this should not be unconditional. The citizenship should not be given
> to anyone against his/her will.
>
> And Estonia requires and should require the citizen's oath as
> an expression of this free will. It should not be more complicated than
> a civil marriage. But neither easier than that.
>
>

What? Well, what's about those whose parents are citizens?
Any oath should be required? Expression of free will?
If not, why??

D.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: henry@bms.com (Henry Mednikoff)
Subject: Wellcome to the Urals
Reply-To: henry@bms.com
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb PRI
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:28:31 GMT

Dear Ilia Tambovtsev, We would like to hear from you more !
May be you need a Russian/English speaking partner in the USA ?


Keywords: Better later than never...
From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Subject: Re: Human rights VIOLATIONS in ESTONIA
Reply-To: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:04:06 GMT

wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL) writes:

>Finally, perhaps our Finnish observers would like to explain why the
>Furstenberg school, the Arajs Kommando and the other SD divisions had no
>shortage of fighters for their cause in occupied Latvia and Estonia.

The reason might be the way Soviet Union had treated the Baltic states
in 1940. Germans did also treat the Balts differently from Slavs, whom
they considered inferior race. 

Finland fought side by side with Germany from 1941 to 1944 against 
Soviet Union. This was mainly because Finnish leaders at that time
saw alliance with Germany as a way to regain the territories lost
in the Winter War 1939-40. In the same way perhaps the Balts hoped
to regain their independence by fighting on the German side.

Janne Kivela"
--


      "N{m{kin pusakat vain viisysiysi. Ja kaikista valtakunnan..."
                     ----- Simo vaatehuoneelta
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Kuwaiti Estonia ?
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:09:02 GMT

In article <718489034@locust.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener) writes:
>      You're in over your head, esteemed Jarmo.  Since ethnic
>      Estonian children also are not allowed to vote and unless
>      the Estonian birth rate is much, much lower than that
>      of Russian-speakers (which is not the case), then this
>      figure of 40% not having been allowed to vote is fairly
>      accurate.

Recheck your math.  If 40% of the whole population cannot vote, and this 40%
includes children, it means that the 40% number is misleadingly high.  If
the children are equally distributed among ethnic groups, that 40% number
will _still_ go down after you leave out the children.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From: deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus)
Subject: Re: Drinking kumys (Was: Enigmatic double
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:28:24 GMT
X-Posted-From: mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Oct13.042441.1032@jack.sns.com> trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh) writes:
>In article <9210112252.AA03632@feds66.Prime.COM> "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:

>Another place you can find kimiz (this spelling is closer to the
>way the word is pronounced in many Turkic dialects) is Turkey. An Ozbek
>has been producing it in his farm near Izmir, and seeling it at a
>premium in Turkey for a while...
>
>AT
>
>

Alash Orda Kimiz Ciftligi is the name of the institution.  The people
running it are actually Kazakh from China who have settled in Salihli,
near Izmir. 

Fermented mare's milk is an acquired taste though...

Deniz Akkus deniz@ctr.columbia.edu
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: European conservatives and ESTONIA
Date: 14 Oct 92 10:36:46 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

I found this in my email and post it forward:

>          COUNCIL OF EUROPE REVIEWS ESTONIAN ELECTIONS
>
> The Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly sharply criticised
> the situation in Estonia, especially in regards to the recent
> election, stated Marju Lauristin, Chair of the Estonian
> delegation with special guest status to the Council of Europe.
> She added that until now conservatives who had previously
> supported Estonia strongly attacked Estonia. On the morning of
> October 1 at a session of the Parliamentary Assembly the
> situation in Estonia following the elections was also discussed.
> Estonian delegation member Ignar Fjuk found that Russia has
> gathered many allies in the Parliamentary Assembly, whose
> position has shifted to Russia's benefit since the last session.
> Mr Fjuk also believed that Russian representatives are continuing
> cold war tactics in their relations with the Baltic States.
>                            *   *   *
> However, Secretary of the Estonian delegation Raul Ma"lk stated
> that the meeting showed that there were some powers in the
> Council which actively supported Estonia - namely Sweden, Finland
> and Council of Europe election observers. Swedish Prime Minister
> Carl Bildt acknowledged at the Oct 1 Assembly session his support
> for Estonia. Mr Bildt forwarded his opinion that Estonia's
> Citizenship Law and elections did not violate minority human
> rights and expressed the hope that Estonia may become a full
> member of the Council of Europe. At a press conference in
> Strasbourg, Council of Europe observers to the Estonian election
> announced that their report unanimously approved of the
> elections. Friedrich Probst, leader of the observer delegation,
> commented that the Estonian elections were fair and correct. The
> observers will officially present their report to the November
> session of the Parliamentary Assembly Political Committee.
>
>                            *   *   *
> On October 2, Ms Lauristin met with Council of Europe Secretary
> General Catherine Lalumiere, who discussed her views on how
> Estonian entry into the Council of Europe may progress.


A short comment:
This is sure an interesting turn of events: the conservative governments of 
Europe are quarreling about Estonian citizenship policy and social democrat
Marju Lauristin has to face the critisism!

I think that the European conservative governments have the ball now:
can the conservative governments in Estonia, Finland, Sweden and
perhaps Germany reach a consens how a political compromise in Estonian
citizenship policy could be reached?

A modus vivendi is not enough. 

Do we have conservative statesmen or statespersons in Europe? 
Or just "politicians"? We'll see.

with the best regards
the observer
Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis
                   urbs fennorum
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: More Russian threats against ESTONIA
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 08:57:40 GMT

thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi wrote:
: 
: I found this in my email and post it forward:
: (a quotation follows:)
: 
: RUSSIA THREATENS SANCTIONS AGAINST ESTONIA
: 
: 
:     LONDON, Oct 13, Reuter - Russian vice-president Alexander Rutskoi
: threatened on Tuesday to impose harsh economic sanctions against
: Estonia unless it allowed Russians settled there to stay on as
: citizens.
: 
:     Rutskoi told the British Broadcasting Corporation in a television
: interview that if Moscow imposed sanctions on the small Baltic state
: they would have a crippling effect.
: 
:     "Within one week the economy and industry of Estonia would grind
:      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: to a halt," he told the BBC's "Assignment" current affairs programme.
: ^^^^^^^^^

Just as a comment, those sanctions would hit mostly russians since
the estonian industry was constructed by the soviets so that the raw-materials
were brought to the country from Russia etc. as well as the workers.
So those who were out of work first were the russians themselves.

By the way during this year the trade between Finland and Estonia
has increased tremendously.

For Finland Estonia is today more important trade partner( in Finnish
marks) than many of the bigger countries.

When Finland exports 1.1.-30.8.92 to Russia with a value of FIMs
1839 million marks during the same time the exports from Finland to
Estonia were 543 million marks. When you compare the sizes of the
countries it is quite well done.

I think Finland will be in the future number one trading partner for
Estonia.

Rutskoi just helps that development. 
If Rutskoi is stupid enough to harm the interest of Russia he of course
can do it. It just seems to me that in Moscow there are a lot of stupid
politicians. Can Moscow not find any desent people for the leadership
or were they all killed during past times. It seems to me that Russians
have as leaders a bunch stupid men, when one goes an other at least as 
stupid comes instead. So it goes year after year.
Jarmo

:     Many Russians, who make up more than 40 per cent of Estonia's
: population, were moved to the country as part of a deliberate policy
: by the former Soviet Union to subdue Estonian nationalism, the
: Assignment programme said.

This prosentage of 40 % is propaganda. The russians are not 40 %
of the population in Estonia! Non-estonians are and it is an other
thing. The ethnic Finns living in Estonia are not russians for instance.
It is very chauvinist by the russians to claim that all the non-estonians 
are russians in Estonia. Is it sometihing from the Soviet Era to say so?
Jarmo
: 

Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.jewish
From: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Subject: Re: Ethnic violence in ESTONIA Against Jews
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:48:49 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14a by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: oleg@watson.ibm.com (Oleg Vishnepolsky)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Internet

Is it not this sickening that no one on the net from the Baltic
region said anything to the effect that he/she is ashamed of these
Estonian actions ? Prove you are not fascists - say 'down with
fascism, down with Estonian neo-Nazis'.

Oleg Vishnepolsky
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Kuwaiti Estonia ?
Date: 7 Oct 1992 22:45:00 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct7.220902.6923@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>
>Recheck your math.  If 40% of the whole population cannot vote, and this 40%
>includes children, it means that the 40% number is misleadingly high.  If
>the children are equally distributed among ethnic groups, that 40% number
>will _still_ go down after you leave out the children.

2-nd grade math class:

a-number of Russian non-citizens
b-number of citizens
x-percentage of children below 21 years
Given:
Ratio of populations is:
a/b=.4/.6
Question:
What is the ratio of adult population (voters)?
Solution:
(a-xa)/(b-xb)=a/b (1-x)/(1-x)=a/b=.4/.6
Answer:
40%

Yury
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet
From:  tiv@gov.chel.su (Tambovtsev Ilya)
Subject: Business message from South Ural/Russia for you
Reply-To: tiv@gov.chel.su
Organization: Region Government
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 92 14:41:22 +0500


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