From: regan1016@bestsd.sdsu.edu (T. ELIZABETH HARVEY)
Subject: Re: Distress Call
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:23:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.003609.3184@sequent.com>, rip@sequent.com (Paul T Taylor)                 writes...
>In article <9SEP199216084304@bestsd.sdsu.edu> regan1016@bestsd.sdsu.edu (T. ELIZABETH HARVEY) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep9.041827.17514@wam.umd.edu>, hwyman@next05cville.wam.umd.edu (The Hwyman)    writes...
> 
>**bunch of stuff deleted**
> 
>>>It's getting late but I don't think I'll be able to sleep much.  And
>>>if I do, I hope I don't remember my dreams.  They won't be pleasant.
>>>Well, another nice guy bit the big one.
>>Oh, don't say that!  I believe that nice guys always finish first,
>>eventually ...
> 
>I am really sorry about this Liz, but this statement here struck a
>sour cord with me.  I know that you mean well in saying this.  One of
>the cyclical discussions that shows up in most of the newgroups that
>deal with people relations is the 'NiceGuy' syndrome.  One of the
>things that is always bemoaned is that 'NiceGuys always come in last',
>the guys say this, and then some female type says something like you
>said, with the 'eventually' thrown in for good measure.  (I am hoping
>you don't take this personally, as I like you...) It is that one word
>that always sets me off.
> 
>Now, tell me, and I know alot of people out there will have opinions
>about this.  Why is it that 'NiceGuys' always seem to have to
>finish last?  Is it because basically most 'NiceGuys' are shy and not
>noticed?  Do they just not want to intrude on other people?  All this
>while the 'Jerks', the loud, obnoxious ones, (gee, that sounds vaguely
>familiar....), are getting the attention, and the chicks?
> 
>I've heard both sides of this argument many times and basically I
>have come to the conclusion that most of the 'NiceGuys' are perpetual
>whiners, and unless they can crawl out of there shells, they will
>always be last.  Until they feel they want to take charge of thier
>lives and get what *they* want, no one is going to hand it to them on
>a Silver Platter.

Hmmm ...
<Elizabeth muses, trying not to go off-the-cuff ...>
Paul, my dear, what makes you think that so-called Nice Guys are whiners?
INDEED, I put whiners in the same category as jerks, pin-heads, and other 
anal & anal-retentive personalities.
JUST because a guy DOESN'T go around acting like a blow-hard, with an 
ego-size 3 times the size of his IQ, DOESN'T mean he is some sniveling 
little weasel who can't GET anywhere with women and spends all his time 
boring others by bemoaning in perpetuity over it!

And when I wrote that Nice Guys do finish first, eventually, it was as an 
encouragement to Rob not to think that no woman would EVER appreciate him, 
nor to think he has to come on like GOD'S GIFT TO WOMEN just get gain 
women's attention ...

And take it from a *Nice Girl*, who's been pretty much *ignored* by guys of 
all stripes, that sometimes, love is a matter of luck ... unfortunately, 
there are those of us in this world who seem to have been born unlucky ...

>Well, enough of this....  Personally I would not put HWY in this
>catagory, and you probably weren't trying to.  I think rather he,
>like most of the guys in this group, is just a normal loving person
>who has had a nasty experience.  Blahblahblahblahblah.....
No, I meant what *I* said ... when I call someone a nice guy, it is a 
compliment, and *not* a left-handed one ... and I certainly wish HWY well 
..

>Sorry I ran off at the mouth like that, it just struck a cord, like I
>said...
>  
>rip

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