HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: muhamo@nuge106.its.rpi.edu (Omari Wakweli Muhammad)
Subject: Alarming News
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:47:23 GMT

I was notified today, November 10, 1992, by the President of the BSA at UNION 
after the Naim Akbar lecture at West Hall that  during the weekend of
11/6-11/9 an African Male was hung in Albany.  

When I say hung, I mean lynched. This act of racism was commited within our 
outside,near community, and I'm outraged by this behavior. We must react 
appropiately, and I have been made aware that a call out is in progress for
all people against that racist activity to be at the SUNY-Alany Assembly Room. 

The parents of this youth were threatened that if they persisted in any further
investigation, that there would definitely be more lynching in this area. The 
police called their investigation of the matter closed after 4 hrs the 
incident was discovered.

It is up to us to find justice for the boy and his family who needs our 
support. We have to look out for each other, that is the morale and conscious 
brothers and sisters of our society.  This event is also a threat to our 
survival, and it serves as a reminder that although our Humanities try to make
us think America is getting better, its not. It`s just learning to hide its 
feelings so that our economic exploitation can serve better. 

I hope to see you there supporting our unity. It's ashamed that we wait until 
these type of sparks in society to feel an urgent need to unify. Lets not let 
this end up being an event of motivation meaning that we will sit on our butts
once the system acknowleges our anger. We must get inspired to organize, an
 plan our actions for the next event and so on.

More accurate information about the call out will be broadcasted tomorrow. 
This is indeed an

				EMERGENCY !!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Rage, ranting and race
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 23:19:16 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna. writes:

> In article <3a4sTB3w165w@netlink.cts.com> galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross) 
> >This is response to a post by David Johns -- a very good, thoughtful 
> >post, at that:
> [much deleted]
> >> White suburbanites are not flocking to aid poor Appalachians or
> >> Bosnians, any more than American blacks are crying over conditions in
> >> Somalia or even Haiti.  People live in small worlds.
> >
> >What makes you assume that we as a group have no interest in what is 
> >happening in Somalia or Haiti?  Do not mistake a sense of powerlessness 
> >for a lack of concern.
> >
> A very good point.  Now, a sincere question here:  What makes some people
> assume that whites as a group have no interest in what is happening to
> blacks in the inner city or elsewhere?  Do not mistake a sense of
> powerlessness for a lack of concern.
> -- 

Whites powerless? An interesting concept. You need to elaborate on it a 
bit more than you have here, though.
G.

--
Gregory Alan Gross      Welcome to life, where no good deed goes unpunished.
San Diego Union-Tribune         (619) 293-1270 (voice)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: david@gdstech.grumman.com (David Nettles)
Subject: Re: Nation of Islam and AIDS
Reply-To: david@gdstech.UUCP (David Nettles)
Organization: Grumman Data Systems-Woodbury
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:36:34 GMT

In article <BxIKnA.Aqv@access.digex.com> wbrown@access.digex.com (William Brown) writes:
>In article <stovall.721338186@ficus.cs.ucla.edu> stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes:
>>andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>>
>>>This week's Prime Time Live (ABC) promises an expose on an alleged scam
>>>the Nation of Islam is running. Apparently they're selling a purported
>>>cure for AIDS. I believe the programme runs on Tuesday.
>>
>>I for one will be looking forward to the show. The NOI "cure" is a low-dosage
>>regimen of alpha-interferon, marketed as "Immunex". The treatment, which was
>>developed and studied in Kenya, was largely ignored (almost ridiculed) by
>>the US AIDS establishment until recently. I believe the NIH has authorized
>>clinical trials along the lines of the Kenyan work in the last week or
>>two. I wish Billi Goldberg read this board. African Americans need to get
>>more seriously informed about AIDS, seeing as how the plague threatens to
>>literally **DEVASTATE** the Continent.
>>_______________________________________________________________________________
>>
>>steven stovall                   
>>stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu         
>>(310) 825-7307
>
>   If anyone is really interested in Immunex I can speak a little on the
>subject.  (I'm busy right now...)  It has been presented in several
>seminars at this medical college...
>
>Peace
>
>Bill
>

Well, talk about it!  Obviously, we would all be interested in what
you know.
-- 
****************************************************************************
   David E. Nettles
   Internet: david@gdstech.grumman.com
   Grumman Data Systems
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: nbcsl
Date: 11 Nov 1992 12:41:32 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <13060039@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>,
patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy) writes:
>In soc.culture.african.american, "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com> writes:
>
>> Here is a press release from the National Black Caucus of State Legislators.
>>
>>  Black State Legislators to Hold '92 Conference in New Orleans
>>  To: National and Assignment desks
>>  Contact: Kofi Owusu of the National Black Caucus of State
>>           Legislators, 202-624-8833
>>
>>    WASHINGTON, Nov. 9  -- The National Black Caucus of State
>> Legislators (NBCSL) will hold its 16th Legislative Conference
>> at the ITT-Sheraton New Orleans Nov. 30 through Dec. 6.
>
>                [stuff deleted]
>
>>    Invited speakers include: U.S. President-elect Bill Clinton;
>> Illinois Senator-elect Carol Braun; Democratic National Committee
>> Chairman Ron Brown; University of Oklahoma Law Professor Anita Hill;
>                                                           ^^^^^^^^^^
.
.
And he asks why Clarence wasn't invited?   Loaded question, my man.
.
Speaking of my girl Anita, she was pictured in a spread of women of
1992, photographed by Annie Leibowitz in black and white. I believe
it's in Vanity Fair.
.
She looks beautiful, really.  She is photographed in profile wearing
a crisp white shirt.  The contrast of grays, blacks and whites is
striking. Since I have Brian Lanker's "I Dream A World" calendar, I
see the similarities and the simplicities as well.
.
And for alla yall who want to see how beautiful black men (again)
can be, catch the Mapplethorpe special collection of photographs of
black men.
.
I know, I know.  He was gay, white and controversial.  But he, like
Cocteau, loved photographing black men in the nude. Some black woman
writer, bell hooks, shange or michelle wallace, wrote the foreward
to it.  And this is not porn, folks. This is not Madonna. This is
beautiful.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: jxxl@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's In, Bushie's OUT!
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:39:17 GMT
Organization: Church of Ill-Repute

a74k110@phobos.ucc.umass.edu writes:

> Actually Powell has never let his party affiliation become known.  Since
> his Chairman position is supposed to be free of party politics.  But, he's
> widely believed to be a democrat.  I expect Clinton to either keep him
> at the chairman position, or ask him to become Sec. of Defense. 

If Powell gets Sec. of Defense it probably means he's a Democrat. I don't
think Clinton would want to ruffle party feathers by giving away high-
profile jobs to Republicans. It inhibits the party's future growth. If
Clinton has Republicans in his administration it will be in positions that
don't groom you for a possible Presidential bid, or it will be people who
are not seen as a potential political threat down the road.

John
From: jama@inetnode.austin.ibm.com (Jama Barreh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Thank God for Ron Brown
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:46:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <1dc8g7INNohm@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>.
>Otherwise, the dude could do good in The Clinton Cabinet and not in
>some of the "black" type positions like HUD.  How bout Attorney
>General?
         I heard/read somewhere that Ron Brown is eyeing even a bigger
price. He would like to be the Secretary of State.
   
   
  
    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: 1950's Steve.
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:02:39 GMT

danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock) writes:

>   SIV, HIV are retroviruses, a TYPE of virus deiscovered well after AIDS is
>known to have been loose in the population at large.  Anyone who wants to
>spread rumors or even theorize about conspiracies should make a big wall chart
>and make sure their timing works out.  If someone dies of AIDS in 1959 they had
>to have it in 1955 or so.  Retroviruses were discovered, as a class, in the
>60's and are hard to locate, sneaky little buggers.  

You dont necessarily need to know the molecular biology to do germ warmfare.
Sigurdsson, who investigated the 1940's visna and maedi epidemic among
sheep in Iceland, published no later than 1958 that the outbreak was caused
by a filterable agent, and coined the term "slow infection" to characterize
the long incubation period between infection and symptomology. We now know
that his "filterable agent" was a lentivirus (as is HIV), but he didnt have
to name it to produce an extract of it (cf Nature 322 p. 130-6).
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Subject: Re: Spike Lee
Reply-To: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:09:02 GMT

I wrote:
>lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
>>Thank you, Warren, for the warning.
>>
>
>Well, I don't feel that I'm doing anyone a favor, I'm just trying to
>do what is right. If you feel that my post was condescending or that I
>put you down, I apologize. If you simply hate me for the color of my
>skin I can't do anything about it.

It appears that the first sentence of Donald's post was the only one
directed at me, although I could be wrong. 

Anyway the fact is that I am also a White Man (tm) caused me to react
defensively.

In any case I think there are valid reasons for white people to be on
this newsgroup, because it is the only usenet forum where the U.S.'s
racial problems are discussed with any seriousness. I don't think that
coming here to tell Black america what it needs to do is a valid
reason, and unfortunately that is why many of the posters are here.

Jesus said some pretty reasonable things and one thing he said was
"Don't try and pull a splinter out of someone's eye when you have a
telephone pole in yours." This is what I feel that whites criticizing
blacks for racism are doing, with the added complication that our
telephone pole put the splinter in Black america's eye. White america
has a serious problem with bigotry that is several orders of magnitude
greater than any other racial group in the U.S.  It is our problem, we
have to recognize and we have to realize that it is nobody's
responsibility to solve the problem but our own. Black americans
shouldn't have to protest and file suits to end racial discrimination,
white americans of good conscience should get there first and root it
out. We created the problem, and we are responsible for solving it.

Two things must happen in white america before racism will ever end:

1. White america must realize that it has a problem. Both on a
personal and a community wide scale.

2. People who recognize the problem must do something about it. This
means confronting racism when you see and getting people who are
unconciously racist to realize what their attitudes are.

Right now I have got number one, but how to put # 2 into effect is the
question. Right now I am trying to figure out the best way to change
peoples minds or at least get them to examine their beliefs. A full
frontal assaust does not seem to be very effective, because people get
pretty defensive when you call them a racist. In any case while this
group may not need me, I definately need this group to help formulate
a strategy that will work and for encouragement that there are other
people working on the problem.

Peace,
	Warren Watts
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: President Bill Clinton
Date: 9 Nov 92 10:15:16
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: panther.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: a74k110@phobos.ucc.umass.edu's message of Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:26:34 GMT

a74k110@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Peterson) writes:
|>[...stuff deleted...]
|>Smooth sailing with Congress? Not necessarily:
|>In my lifetime, the only President who had that was Lyndon Johnson. Every 
|>other one, without exception, found himself locking horns with Congress, 
|>even when it was dominated by his own party.

|LBJ didn't have smooth sailing, or at least it just may have appeared as such.
|He had plenty of disagreements with congress, even though it was dominated
|by democrats. The reason he had success with congress, was that he was a 
|master at getting congressmen to do what he wanted.  He would personally go 
|around and coax and push, and twist the arms of congressmen to go along with 
|him.  My point is, LBJ was the last president that had the ability to do this.  
|Up until now. Clinton use exactly the same method with his legislature in
|Arkansas, and he'll do the same with congress.

That's not quite true.  LBJ did it by exercise of political power and
intimidation.  Sometimes he literally lifted a Congressthing by his
lapels.  Clinton, by contrast, is more of a coalition builder.  He
weilds political power to his advantage as well, but his style is much
more concilitory.
--
Peace.
                    `Many Americans might not like me or my lyrics, 
                     but I'll still make my millions, and
                     unlike many others, will pay my taxes on time.'
                           - paraphrase of Luther Campbell,
                             head honcho of 2 Live Crew
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: AIDS and the CIA (was Question)
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:18:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: ficus.stovall.721610334
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock) writes:

>   The "naturally occuring virus" theory is a real nice one.  It fits 
>each and every fact.  You seem to demand that humans be responsible 
>somehow.  Why?

No, actually I have been a lot more interested in the polio vaccine
theory than one that required the involvement of US intelligence, which
I dont consider likely. I am just asserting that it is not ridiculous
to postulate US intelligence involvement.

>   And if you're wrong we waste _home much_ resources in pointless 
>litigation and stupid accusation shouting?  Since you _are_ wrong,
>based on every shred of available evidence, you should think real
>hard about doing anything more than collecting additional facts.

At this point I am only interested in a little consciousness raising
and investigative reporting, along with periodic reality checks. Checking 
the Wistar freezers and doing PCRs on what's found is not going to hamper
the search for a cure.
_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,triangle.politics,talk.politics.misc
From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: A Comment on A Local Talk Show
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:17:30 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

This is in reply to bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing), who wrote:
:
:	Normally I laugh at such callers but one that called upset me
:slightly. This caller, who called himself Major X, launched into the
:current diatribe concerning having a pot smoking, draft dodging
:president in the White House. After going on for about three minutes or
:so he then concluded his "speech" by saying that he hoped that Clinton
:lived up to the Kennedy Legend to the fullest. In other words by being
:assassinated. This caller claimed to be in the special forces and stated
:that he planed to resign his commission because of the election results.
:To me it showed how irresponsible the host of this show was. 
:	

Sorry, Carter, but this has too much the ring of "Shocked! I
am shocked to discover that ..."

Haven't you been listening to talk radio lately?  You got white
racists calling up WLS (this is Chicago) venting their hate into
the phone, going through unchecked, while on WVON (admittedly a
more diverse and lower-powered station) there's a lot of the same
comin from Af-Ams.  In both cases you can almost hear the talk
show host nodding his head in agreement.

It's ugly, but it's gotta stop everywhere, by public acclaim.
Not likely soon.

Aaron

From: patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:50:03 GMT
Subject: Re: AIDS as a Weapon.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american

In soc.culture.african.american, twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
> derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:
>   +I really find it hard to believe that a nation which runs it's economy
>   +based on quarterly returns and can change sides on the fly (e.g. 1981 
>   +Iran is bad Iraq is good, 1991 Iraq is bad Iran is good), could conceive 
>   +of a weapon which takes so long to have any effect.  
> I heard that the CIA has planted a drug that will kill Fidel 
> Castro with lung cancer, in, oh, 20-40 yrs.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

		no need to kill the man... his policies
		are running him into the grave.  just
		recently there was outright laughter
		AT the man during a castro speech...
		won't be long now before we can all
		die of cuban-cigar-induced lung cancer ;-)

>   +After all how many changes of government/foreign policy have you had
>   +in the US since 1950?
> None.  It's everybody else that keeps changing.
  ^^^^
		NOT!  if everbody else kept changing we
		wouldn't have to worry 'bout things like
		mr. green's senseless death in detroit!
		

peace.
pjm.
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Subject: Re: the legacy of European Conquest (was Interracial Dating)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:47:54 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


>In <1992Nov4.154451.17299@gdstech.grumman.com> david@gdstech.grumman.com (David Nettles) writes:


>The term "stone-age" implies that the people before had absolutely
>nothing of value socialy, culturaly, or religiously.

Sounds like that's YOUR understanding of "stone age."  All "stone age"
implies to me is "technologically undeveloped."  And that much can't be
denied about the Native Americans.  They had not developed the wheel
or any kind of metal smelting (two of the keystones of technological
development) at the time of Columbus.

Now you may think that technological development is not all good.
Fair enough.  But you can't deny that the American Indians had very
little of it.

>This is reinforced by the notion that what the whites did to the
>Natives was justified; that because they had no valid society
>(socialy or culturaly) it was the right of the whites to enslave the
>Natives and erradicate their culture.

Do you think that a "stone age society" is "invalid"?


>-- 
>larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 
>_(*#&)#*&%)@(*^%_!*&%^!)*&#+!*&$+!?&%+!*&^_)*&#%)*&^%#+&
>The past is not dead, it's not even past.   - Wm. Faulkner

-- 
larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 
_(*#&)#*&%)@(*^%_!*&%^!)*&#+!*&$+!?&%+!*&^_)*&#%)*&^%#+&
The past is not dead, it's not even past.   - Wm. Faulkner
From: rojohnso@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Ronald Johnson)
Subject: Re: Spike Lee
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:57:53 GMT

Just wanted to comment on a few things said by Phillip Stromer, who has an
aversion with affirmative action:

>What happens when whites become a minority? When whites start getting pref-
>erential treatment due to being white?

Sorry to prescribe the reality pill, but, open your eyes! Look around you!
Whites have been for a LOOOONG time and still are getting preferential treat-
ment because they are white! It wont take you people becoming the minority to
get preferential treatment (and watch what you wish for, you may be closer to
that day when you are considered a minority than you think). Also, you make it
sound like affirmative action was done just because of a population count...
You know it goes a lot deeper than that. Affirmative action is to give jobs to
people who were discriminated against because of their race, not because the
population count was low! So if whites ever became a minority, its not like if
all of a sudden all the power,prestige etc would automatically be turned over
to the blacks, and the whites would be the ones who are discriminated against.
Look at South Africa...of course we are living more freely over here than over
there, but the whites are, in fact the minority over there....ALSO...If you
were ever in the position where you got discriminated against for whatever
reason, Im sure youd want something like affirmative action to prevent this.
You still seem to think that affirmative action is taking away jobs from whites
and giving them to less qualified blacks....When, in fact the white person
could be less qualified than the black, but because of an employer's racist
attitude, the less qualified person gets the job anyway. Give us some credit
here! And I dont know how aggressively youve been job hunting, but could this
attitude against affirmative action possibly be because you are unemployed??
Do you think some less qualified, black person is getting a job that you 
could be getting due to affirmative action?? Hmmm...

>Affirmative action was a noble idea, but its time has come and gone.

Racism is still here though. So is discrimination and all that other stuff.
I personally hope that when I get a job, Im employed because Im qualified.
Not to fill a quota. However, if minorites are still getting discriminated
against, Ill have to disagree with your statement about its time being gone.

You dont experience the racism, so its easy for you to sit back with your
negative view of affirmative action and pass judgement.  Youre not in the
minority, so you'll probably never understand......

                                                               RJ