From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: AA crime scandal in Orange County
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 19:29:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.171304.18850@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM
(Richard Ottolini) writes:
>A group of Chinese-American students at a prestigious Fullerton high school
>murdered one of their members over the holidays and buried the body in
>someone's backyard.  It turns out the group was likely dealing in the theft
>and resale of computers and computer parts and the motive was a some deceit
>about an upcoming theft.  The students were considered "good boys", high

This fits in well with the following, which I have noted several times.

The vast majority of post+1960's Chinese-American immigrants came from the
upper privileged class from overseas.  One would tend to think that they
would be less involved in crime than other immigrants who came largely from
the underclasse or the middle class of their societies.

On the contrary, among _all_ Asian-American criminal groups in the USA,
Chinese-American gangs are the #1 major crime threat and, in fact, are
the #1 major crime threat (among _all_ American criminal groups) in Northern
California.

This says a lot about Chinese-cu culture[1].

[1] Since 68% of Chinese-Americans are 1st generation (i.e. born overseas),
it's likely that 85%+ are 2nd generation (or prior).  Clearly, it's likely
that the majority of Chinese-Americans identify themselves to be culturally
Chinese-cu.  Hence, we can make certain extrapolations about Chinese-cu
culture.]

>grades, mmebers of academic clubs, admitted to ivy league colleges, etc.

As I said before, concerning Chinese-cu culture, the small percentage[2]
of people who graduate from high schools in Chinese-cu society in Asia
are more likely to be able to solve

(1)                      X^2 + X + 1 = 0

than graduates from American high schools.  However, American graduates
would be able to answer the following, whereas a Chinese-cu could not:

(2)                  What is morality in human life?
                     Is there a universal concept of certain
                     fundamental rights?

The point that I'm getting at is that being able to solve #1 indicates
nothing about the person.  Clearly, there are educated Chinese-cu who
ran/run Taiwan, but they are the same Chinese-cu who condoned the massacre
of 20,000 Taiwanese-ge.

So, the next time that you look at a Chinese-cu Chinese-American family,
if you see some straight-A kids, don't extrapolate that to mean that
they are also decent people who believe in the same values that you do.
Chances are that they don't.  _You_ may believe in human decency and 
the Bill of Rights, but chances are that _they_ think quite differently.

[2] The Chinese-cu do not place the same value in education that Westerners,
Japanese-cu, and Koreans-cu place.

>More details as the investigations and trials progress.  ...

Mr. Ottolini should post more details.  Better yet, he should post the
source; I'll look up the article myself in my spare time.

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