From: jsw@cray.com (Jon S. Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.child-support
Subject: Re: Fight for sole custody or joint
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:52:13 GMT
Reply-To: jsw@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article 24335@ll.mit.edu, yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.171019.24229@walter.cray.com> jsw@cray.com writes:
>>you must file in court. 1 grand taint worth a lawyer as I thought at
>>the time. I drove to Mpls to find out that you need forms and the 
>>people at the desk WON"T help you with a special form (Office supply
>>co. down the street charges .85 for the affidavits, Motions, etc.) 
>>I missed the deadline and really was furious (how could you tell) frustrated
>>and completely heartbroken. You see the system is bad and benefits only
>>children (pardon the sarcasm) LAWYERS.
>>So I learned about forms.......
>>Example below. This form was used by me and was PERFECTLY acceptable by
>>the judge ...
>>
>
>	Well you possibly remember my small claims story, and you're
>	right!  You can do anything a lawyer can.  You just have to
>	know what forms to fill out, where to bring them, and when.
>	And if you hung around the court for about a week, it would
>	go a long way toward a law degree.  Because other than
>	that, "advice" is just that.  And lawyers are short on advice
>	for different reasons than people here don't have any.
>	*They* don't have any.
>

 Alan, when I pressed certain lawyers about 'the odds' factor when determining
whether I felt it necessary to pursue filing motions and affidavits, good lawyers
told me the score, i.e. that I'd lose and it would cost me more money to hire
them than I would gain. 

MEN"S LAW #1
   Child support orders only go up, they don't go down. Don't fight 'em.

I do recommend that men go to the county where there children are (most
likely it is the county who has jurisdiction) and learn the rules for
filing. 
All men should contest automatic living expenses, even if review would
increase your payment more. WHY? Jam the courts up. You have X number of
days to respond. Just don't show up. This also gives you a feeling of 
power. 
Hennepin County Collection Services are clogged and so they no longer
grant reviews to cp's for frivolous reasons. If the 'ol man is paid up
they won't bother.

>>
>>I have ALL the forms now. I'm ready. Go to your nearest LAW library and 
>>steal a copy of your states Civil Procedures and follow what the Petitioner
>>does. It works for me. This is where I found out the rule about serving
>>you papers in a timely manner. 
>>
>
>	Good show!
>
>> I'm thinking of opening a SELF HELP LAW  FIRM for NCPs. 
>>
>
>	I thik it's a good idea.  But you'll get reamed if you
>	advertise.  And I can't think of any other way to get
>	word out.

Word of mouth.
I wonder why I can't HELP. Most of these 'cases' are merely a formality
in screwing the NCP. Who needs a lawyer. 
I often have wanted to place want ads in the paper just to get a rise
out of the attorneys. 
>
>> Time is on my side.
>>
>	Why?
>
 I honestly believe that the system against NCPs is so overwhelmingly
biased and sick that in due time, as the draconian measures puked down
from Congress in 1987 cover more and more men, there will be inevitable
changes in the system. It's just a matter of time. 

 I think it is time that people like me and others rise up against 
GOVERNMENT intrusion into our personal lives. Feminists think they can
have it both ways, government intrusion (affirmitive action) and non-
government intrusion (my body my right but god damn it, someone else
pay for it, ABORTION). There politics smells like, feels like and looks
like that of Stalinism. 

 I belong to a group called A.B.A.T.E. Bikers against the tyrannical laws
imposing helmets. Our biggest enemy is the democratic party. (do-gooders). Does
that surprise anyone? I discovered the men in feminista clothing (sheep takin'
it in the ass) as democrats the month I became divorced. 


 
>-- 
>	Alan Yasutovich
>	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
>	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
>	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......



 Humans who respect ALL genders and equality can claim their first victory
in the political arena where a feminista (Sikorski, 6th District Congresspuss)
was soundly defeated. This ass wrote bad checks for months and yet HE
endorsed legislation to make it a federal crime for a man to fall a grand
behind in child support. 


  Jon Wood 

     "Tick tock..... BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT"

 Wake up democrats, ya better change your ways. Some of us men think
you should take your P.C. agenda and get the hell out of our lives.