HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dbinford@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David Binford)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Some observations. (was Re: Pro-Choice)
Date: 15 Aug 92 10:32:34 GMT
Followup-To: dbinford@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Distribution: tx
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

|   jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
|   |
|   |   mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
|   |   [John Haugh, Jr.]...will just resort to personal insults.
|   |
|   Fred, you are a lying pig...

Just to throw myself onto the fire, I'll post some statistics of my own, and
where I feel like it, I'll just make up numbers, and in other places, well,
I'll just shoot some opinions in.

   o  93% of jfh2's posts contain the letter "e."
   o  76.4% of jfh2's posts accuse of "lies," "lying," "liar."
   o  44.3% of jfh2's posts containt the word "shit," or, my fave, "BULLSHIT."
   o  Jfh2 will ALWAYS get the last word.  (I have no doubt.)
   o  Jfh2 has much more free time than I--he must, what with constantly
      quoting sources, posting followups, posting followups to followups
      that were followupped-to by someone else.

Somehow I feel as though I'm not doing my duty if I don't quote, so to
avoid the embarassment...

      "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
      --Benjamin Disraeli, Attributed to Mark Twain, Autobiography, I.246

And, for the humour-impaired, insert about, oh, I dunno, 1000 smileys. :)
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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From: mattair@sun44.synercom.hounix.org (Charles Mattair)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: questions that Pritchett doesn't like...
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:22:09 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Synercom Technology, Inc., Houston, TX

In article <un3ur*-N0@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>
>I believe that you mean RU-486.  It is not currently legal in the US.
>

According to FDA policies, it is not illegal.  The FDA, however, is preventing
its entry into the country.
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From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: HR 4983
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:33:54 GMT
 <042vr*0P0@caleb.UUCP> <1992Aug12.164849.14261@watson.ibm.com>
Distribution: tx
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <1992Aug12.164849.14261@watson.ibm.com>, John Iacoletti writes:

> |> Also, you neglect
> |> to consider the lives saved because some criminals will be deterred by the death
> |> penalty.
> 
> Primarily because nobody has ever demonstrated that there IS a
> deterrent effect.

No, primarily because it conflicts with your specious arguments.  It is obvious
to anyone with a normal IQ that capital punishment will deter some potential
criminals.


                                                Jim Pritchett


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 or    utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!caleb!jdp
From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:59:06 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Aug20.214322.7641@digi.lonestar.org> ldillard@digi.lonestar.org (Lawrenece Dillard) writes:
>
>Frankly, there is really not much choice in the two presidential candidates; 
>just that one doesn't want to spend *my* money as quickly as the other.

I prefer to look at it as "tax and spend" and "borrow and spend."
After too much borrowing, it WILL become tax and spend ....


-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

"I laid on top of those prayer requests so much, that those chemicals actually
 got into my bloodstream" - Robert Tilton (indirectly explaining his facelift)
From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: fetus vs. baby
Date: 13 Aug 92 10:27:24 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX

In article <21348@rpp386.lonestar.org>, jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>                What we are trying to determine is whether or not people
> jumped up and got married the second the woman became pregnant.  Birth
> control is far more effective today than it was 40 years ago.

	Okay, birth control wasn't as effective 40 years ago.  But the only
real effectiveness of any birth control is USAGE.  What is the availablility
for birth control among teens?  What is the availability of accurate sex 
information that they receive?  In general, it was probably better then...
Families would sit down and talk to the children, now both parents work (if
there are two parents), and there just isn't time.

	If you really want to limit abortions, you have GOT to provide
sex education for children once they start to reach child-bearing age.
You need to provide birth control to those that want it.  I don't mind
encouraging abstinence until they are out of school, but you CAN"T make
them feel ashamed or resentful, or they will just have sex unprotected.

	You keep wanting to have the woman "do the responsible thing" and
put up for adoption, but too many want to restrict information and condoms
that can be used to make informed, responsible decisions before conception.

> -- 
> John F. Haugh II                   | Life's Little Instruction Book:
> Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151            | "#138.  Learn Spanish.  In a few years,
> UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh |  more than 35% of all Americans will speak
> Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org      |  it as their first language."
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From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: So Long, and Thanks for all the Fish
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:42:31 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Distribution: tx
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <1992Aug20.154805.27655@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>In other words, I had the almight gall to disagree with the great John
>(net.ghod) Haugh II.

And with comments like this, all throughout every posting you make, is
there some reason I should welcome a congratulatory message from you?

Actually stop and think about this one for a moment.  I'm sure that the
Christians Hitler sent off to the ovens spit on anyone that said "Have a
Nice Day."

Christ did NOT go into the temple and tell the moneychangers "Why don't
you just lower prices 20% percent ..."  Christ said if you go into a
city and the people of the city don't welcome you, wipe the dirt on your
sandals off before you leave.  I think he had you in mind when he said
that.
-- 
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Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151            | "#138.  Learn Spanish.  In a few years,
UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh |  more than 35% of all Americans will speak
Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org      |  it as their first language."
Xref: sparky tx.politics:4183 alt.politics.bush:2190 alt.politics.clinton:2267
From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Republican Candidates
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:17:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <1992Aug17.192005.1787@technology.com>, Judy McMillin writes:

> Since the most compelling quality Bush claims to have is his outstanding
> foreign policy record, and Jim Baker seems to be responsible for that,
> why not just toss GHB and replace him with Baker?  Why should you settle
> for the dummy when you can get the ventriloquist? 

So, you favor dumping Bill and replacing him with Hillary?


                                                Jim Pritchett


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From: rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: HR 4983
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:54:13 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <BssxE8.1Cq@rice.edu> kossack@qvi.com writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.223623.24092@NeoSoft.com> rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally) writes:
>- We have no practical experience in this area. There are women that are
>- anti-abortion. There are wommen that are pro-abortion. Women have
>- all of mankind's practical experience in this area.  They are the 
>- experts. Would you want this issue decided by a combination of
>- experts and novices, or solely by experts?
>
>	What are you?  Some kind of elitist?   :-)  :-)   :-)   

	Smileys aside, that's actually a good counterpoint. 


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"They say 'David, what shall I do? They wait for me in the hallway'.
I say 'Don't ask me- I don't know any hallways."- David Bowie, "Scary Monsters"
From: kossack@taronga.com (Jordan M. Kossack)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Qualified Vice-Presidential Candidates  (was Re: <None>
Date: 22 Aug 92 05:27:34 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Taronga Park BBS

boyd@turtle.fisher.com writes:
- > I don't know of many (any?) pro-lifers who "accuse" pregnant women
- > of sin or ostracize them.
- >
- 
- Can you say Dan Quayle?

	Yes, but I can't spell it.   :-)  

	Actually, I think the VP has, over the past four years, 
   stood up rather well under the broadcast media barrage.  He 
   may not be the brightest fellow in the world, but he's earned 
   quite a bit of respect from me, for the way he's handled all 
   of the media heckling.  Now, it don't mean I'm votin' for him ...  

-- 
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  Jordan M Kossack     |      to disobey unjust laws."    
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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally)
Subject: Re: Pro-Choice
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Distribution: tx
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:49:29 GMT

In article <ZNlxr*JQ0@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.154234.25597@NeoSoft.com>, Doug Andersen writes:
>
>> In article <Ee2vr*3P0@caleb.UUCP>, jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:

>Yeah, right.  You think that we should have let Hussein grab all the mideast
>oil for himself (and enslave the peoples there), while we sit here self-
>righteously spouting nonsense about how we can't police the world.

	What about Cyprus? The U.S.A. was definitely defending itself
w.r.t oil, don'tcha think? That doesn't make it "bad", IMO, but we 
shouldn't try to make this out to be Superman saving Lois Lane, I don't
think. If anything positive (IMHO) could come of Desert Storm, I would hope 
it would be the community of nations standing together to isolate countries
like Iraq, as we did pre-Storm. Would it have worked in the long run? I
don't think so, because someone was heeding the call to make $$. On the
other hand, the people of Iraq had to suffer the embargo, while Saddam did
not. Had they been w/o hot water much longer, might they have revolted?
Can, I guess I'm wondering, the U.N. become a real force?


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"They say 'David, what shall I do? They wait for me in the hallway'.
I say 'Don't ask me- I don't know any hallways."- David Bowie, "Scary Monsters"
From: davidc@montagar.lonestar.org (David L. Cathey)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: HR 4983
Date: 12 Aug 92 08:36:51 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX

In article <eA3ur*0O0@caleb.UUCP>, jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
> In article <1992Aug6.231107.16922@montagar.lonestar.org>, David L. Cathey writes:
> 
>> In article <1992Aug5.213125.112@tamsun.tamu.edu>, dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:
>> > As for my abortion stance, I'm pro-life.  I'd like to see *both* the
>> > unwanted pregnancies and the abortions stop.
>> 
>> 	I'm sure everyone can be in agreement on that point, whether pro-choice
>> or pro-life.
> 
> No, they can't.  There are some prominent Femi-Nazis who seem to believe that NO
> pregnancy should go un-aborted.

	Well, if they want to abort all their own pregnancies, then they should
be allowed to do so.  Just as long as they don't force everyone else to follow
suit.

	Actually, since you seem to have a distaste for "Fem-Nazi's", then you
ought to be for that too (for the good of society).  Let those undesirable
genes get trimmed out of the gene pool...  Society as a whole and in the long
run would be the better, wouldn't it?

>                                                 Jim Pritchett
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From: wrr3118@tamsun.tamu.edu (Rick Russell)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Pro-Choice
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:26:22 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

In article <exuptr.325.714176657@exu.ericsson.se> exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.143952.7735@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>It's only a matter of time until we can grow a complete new you from a
>>tissue sample.  Does that make every cell in your body a 'human
>>being', or do they only BECOME human beings when we do that procedure
>>and they develop into one?
>>By your reasoning, an egg IS a chicken.

>Not a white one, they're infertile.  You probably eat chickens, too,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    WHAT?????

>though.

Sigh. I don't know if you've convinced fred j mccall that you are completely
stupid, but congratulations. You've convinced me.

>  - Patrick Taylor
>    Ericsson Network Systems
>    exuptr@exu.ericsson.se                       "Don't let the .se fool you"
>    alternately, exuptr@ZGNews.Lonestar.Org
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From: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com (Dewey Coffman)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Senate Ponders $1.15Billion Proposal for Network Apps.
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:54:11 GMT
Reply-To: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Austin, TX. US of A.


From August 17th, 1992 PC Week, page 43
"Senate Ponders $1.15 Billion Proposal for Network Apps."

Sponsered by Sen. Al Gore(D) of Tennessee, the Information 
Infrastructure & Technology Act of 1992 would expand the
experimental Nation Research and Education Network.

Highlights:
	Fiber Optic based.

	Promote development of "grand applications" such as
	teaching tools, digital libraries and high-performance
	networks to promot U.S. corporate competitveness.
	
	Place authority for implementing such applications
	with the Office of Science and Technology Policy.

	Establish an Information Infrastructure Development
	Program, managed by the Office of Science and Technology
	Policy, to map out development and assign projects to
	federal agencies.

	Create an advisory committee on high-speed netowrking.
	
	Austhorize funds for federal agencies to partipate in
	the project, startin in 1993 with:
	
	$20 million for the National Library of Medicine
	$30 million for the National Institute of Standards and Technology
	$30 million for the National Science Foundation
	$10 million for the NASA

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In article <21315@rpp386.lonestar.org>, jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes: "...I'm completely stupid, .."
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally)
Subject: Re: Pro-choice vs. Pro-Life vs. Anti-Abortion (Re: fetus vs. baby)
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Distribution: tx
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:06:32 GMT

In article <Milxr*EQ0@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.170802.53@turtle.fisher.com>, boyd@turtle.fisher.com writes:
>
>> In article <T51iPB2w164w@keys.lonestar.org>, cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org
>> (Chris Winemiller) writes:
>> 
>> >            ...  Secondarily, the fact that so many people _are_
>> > religious might be evidence that their _is_ something supernatural,
>> > outside of all of us.  ...
>> >
>> 
>> Once upon a time a great many people thought the earth was flat, did that make
>> it flat?
>
>Some people believe that there is no God.

	True.	

>.  Others believe that they can define Him
>any way that they choose.

	Maybe....but I think Rob's recent Rooney quote hits closer to the mark,
which was (to para-paraphrase):" People tend to believe that which agrees 
with their pre-conceived notions." Personally, I've been operating under the
belief that God is ultimately fair, and recognizes the difference between
evil and misguidedness. I'd also recommend you look at yourself from outside
yourself, as though you were someone else, and ask yourself what the difference
is between accepting someone else's definition, or defining one's own, as far 
as choice is concerned. Isn't one, in either case, weighing suggestions,
whether they be from inside one's head, or inside someone else's? Or, do you
feel that the person that suggested the exact religious philosophy you
accept was being spoken through by Jesus, ergo espousing the one universal
truth? I guess the bottom line is: Do you _not_ think that you have made a
choice? Do you think that what choice you did make was the only valid one
because it's the only one that was offered directly by God, and so had His
stamp clearly upon it? 


>  Both groups are very wrong.  When Jesus returns, they
>are going to be very shocked!

	I've never read any such prediction before- what shall He "shock" them
with? Will He say: "You were WRONG! Damned, you'll be! Off with his head!" ? For
sure, _my_ God doesn't use scare tactics. Does yours, or do you feel you have 
the right to use them for Him, since you understand what He really wants?


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"They say 'David, what shall I do? They wait for me in the hallway'.
I say 'Don't ask me- I don't know any hallways."- David Bowie, "Scary Monsters"
From: gordon@sneaky.lonestar.org (Gordon Burditt)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Stalking Bill
Date: 19 Aug 92 06:07:17 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Gordon Burditt

>6	Sec 22.11. STALKING. (a) In this section, "harass" means 
>7 to engage in conduct that in not legally protected and that is
>8 inteded to abuse, alarm, annoy or torment a specific person.
>9	(b) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally:
>10		(1) on more than one occasion follows or harrasses
>11	another person; and
>12		(2) makes a threat with the intent of placing the
>13	person in fear of death or serious bodily injury.

This sounds like the job description of a LA cop.  It also seems
to describe what happens in most every hockey game, professional
wrestling match, and some football games.  It may also apply to
Little League games with adult coaches who are more interested in
winning than teaching the kids baseball and sportsmanship.

					Gordon L. Burditt
					sneaky.lonestar.org!gordon
From: skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Houston Clinic Defense Update
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:08:45 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute

9-13-92

Judge O'Neil yesterday had six of the OR leaders hauled into court on contempt
charges. Two were released and the remaining four were charged and found
guilty of the charges. The penalty, six months in jail and a $500.00 fine
or a public, under oath statment that they will not violate the court order.
The four were ordered to surrender to the police at 6:00am this morning.
Their defense was that "we hadn't heard the court order", Planned parenthood
showed the judge a videotape of a law officer reading the order to them in
front of the clinic two days earlier. OR passed out the judge's home address
and told their troops to "confront her". A typical OR tactic. They still
say they answer to a "higher law", this morning they are answering from 
inside the Harris County Jail.


tim
From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Fetal Brainwaves (was: Re: fetus vs. baby)
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:51:48 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Distribution: tx
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <1992Aug13.153352.23794@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>Well, when the initial premise was stupid ("get the choice of the
>child" (what child?)), one should probably expect stupid responses
>back.  So I gave him one.  You tell me a way to get the opinion of
>something that doesn't even have brainwaves yet, much less speak
>Egnlish or any other language, and I'll be happy to solicit its
>opinion.  Until then, the original plaint remains stupid.

The great thing about your postings is that they are usually wrong.

This is from "Fetal Growth" p. 226 "1250 Healthcare Questions Women
Ask"

	"40 days      The baby's brain waves can be detected,
		      recorded and even read by a doctor."

I can't find the other book I wanted which says the same exact
thing.  I suspect my wife has it with her.  But if you insist on
repeating this mistruth, I'll go find where she has it.
-- 
John F. Haugh II                   | Life's Little Instruction Book:
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151            | "#138.  Learn Spanish.  In a few years,
UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh |  more than 35% of all Americans will speak
Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org      |  it as their first language."
Newsgroups: tx.politics