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From: bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Final Cardinals Roster anyone?? Also-A Thompson Trade rumors?
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:06:48 GMT
Reply-To: Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM
Distribution: na
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article <1992Sep2.123223.8847@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, erk@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (eric.r.kierstead) writes:

|> BTW- Are there any other Cards fans on the net besides
|> Russ Smith and me?  

Alas, try as I might, I just can't seem to turn my back on the Cards.
Include me in the list of Cards fans, however small the list might be.

Bob

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From: cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA)
Subject: Re: Address request
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 21:46:08 GMT

In article <14278@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> rjk@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Raymond K) writes:
>In article <1992Aug22.200358.8217@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:
>>
>>     Would someone know where I can find an address for the Eagles.  A friend
>>wants to write to get a few autographs from the players.
 
Philadelphia Eagles
Veterans Stadium
Broad Street and Pattison Avenue
Philadelphia, PA  19148
(215) 463-2500

Directore of Public Relations:  Ron Howard


Hope this helps,
Bryan Cooper,  cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
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From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: Dallas *iced Notes*
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:29:17 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <BILLMS.92Aug26141256@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.123700.7198@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
>
>   In article <21063@optima.cs.arizona.edu> dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal) writes:
>   >In article <1992Aug26.001310.11281@aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>   >>
>   >>So, what should Dallas get for Novacek.  His status as a veteran makes him 
>   >>worth less considering that free agency is just around the corner.  He would 
>   >>be eligible in its first year.  Still, I think that Novacek is worth a
>   >>#1 and a #3. 
>   >
>   >This is SO stupid I will not even think about responding - i am sure
>   >someone else would.  Oh, you meant the #1 and #3 special at McDonalds,
>   >right?  I see.  
>   >
>   >What's next?  Novachek to the Chiefs for Derrick Thomas, right?
>
>   Yet another Cowboy basher. What is a Pro Bowl TE worth to you anyway?  You
>   obviously have no idea how much the guy did for the team last year.
>
>You guys are so predictable.
>

I think you are off base in you calling people Cowboy bashers. Novachek is
good. But it is debatable whether he is the top TE in the league, though
I would agree he is in the top 5. Still the price mentioned is probably
more than the best TE in history would be worth. Remember we are talking
TE's here. Not QB's, LB's, RB's, or WR's. TE's generally go cheap because
they are easier to do without than the others.

I would think a realistic price for a good, top of the line TE would be
a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Can't remember any TE going for more than that.

Tom Wolf
From: skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Joe (Toast?) Montana
Date: 31 Aug 1992 19:41:01 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute

In article <tokuno.715282398@milton> tokuno@milton.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno) writes:
 >skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:
 >
 >>I started the "toast" thread and I will stand by it. 
 >
 >>It's over, face it, come on swallow real hard and try to 
 >>get a grip. 
 >
 >>MONTANA IS TOAST !
 >>tim
 >
 >>reply:
 >>but, but , but , if , if ,would have, could have. should have...... 
 >
 >	"TOAST" as I understand it refers to getting "burned" by another
 >player, usually by someone on offense.  This implies past tense.  Montana
 >is still on the roster, so unless you want to eat your own toast, you'd
 >better think twice about making premature judgments.  I'm not saying he
 >will be back for sure, but it is just as true that he is not out of the
 >game yet.  Now if you are predicting he will not be back, that makes more
 >sense.

The point I tried to make in the first posting is, many times players
have played a year or so more than they should have. I understand why
Joe dosen't want to leave, he has been a great one and the game is his
life. Joe needs to do like L. Bird and go out with class. If he does play
the DB's will "burn" him like "toast". Is that better ?


tim
From: greenfie@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Steve Greenfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Redskins Running Backs
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:42:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

I read the Post everyday and from what I've read and seen from the games
the running backs are:

     Byner      -  number one
     Earvins    -  close second
     Green      -  will make team because of special teams play
     Riggs      -  cut a few days ago
     Settle     -  had a shot but fumbled against Raiders

Earvins looks real good but he is no big banger like Riggs.  I bet the
Skins use a 4 wide set on short yardage.  I bet Earvins would rush for
more yards than Byner but the Skins rely on that blocking by Byner to
help out the now questionable offensive line.

What about computer images of the Redskins logo?  Doesn't any footbal
fan have a scanner?
From: drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas *iced Notes*
Date: 29 Aug 92 06:36:46 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Aug26.001310.11281@aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>1) First and foremost, Carlos Huerta was released in San Diego today, and I 
>can imagine where his first stop might be!  I am excited about this 
>possibility, I enjoyed seeing him kick in Miami and win games for them.  
>He may not have Daluiso's cannon, but he has kicked under heavy pressure 
>and is ready for the NFL.  Another possibility is Ian Howfield (formerly 
>with the Oilers et al.) but he is far from a proven quantity.

Oh brother, would somebody explain this to me?  Howfield's inconsistency was,
at best, frustrating.  PATs were an adventure, which they shouldn't be.  At
worst, his inconsistency cost the Oilers games.  It sure cost them the Red-
skins game last year.

(For those of you who don't remember what happened, here's a quick summary:
The Oilers and Redskins were tied with seconds remaining.  The Oilers had dri-
ven into range for a very makeable FG.  Howfield blew the FG attempt, as he
had done 3 or 4 times already that day.  The Redskins won the game in OT.)

I can assure you that very few things would give Gibbs, Kotite, Handley, Bugel,
and others more warm fuzzy feelings than knowing that Ian Howfield were kicking
for the Pokes.

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From: imprint@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (IMPRINT -- UW's Student Newspaper)
Subject: Re: NFL Realignment
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:36:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.112155.27660@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu) writes:
>Ronald D Rodabaugh (rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
>:      Concerning realignment in the NFL, I have just one question: WHY?
>:      These teams play ONCE A WEEK, for 16 games. Does it really matter that 
>: Phoenix has to go east four times a year every year? Is it really going to be 
>: that much cheaper for the NFL to realign geographically? NO.
>
>Isn't that eight times? I though each team in each division played the
>other teams within the same division TWICE..
>
>  +----------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
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They do, but the two games are home and away. So, Phoenix plays those same
four teams at home.

Peter Brown
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From: tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Michael Irvin Signs!
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:26:06 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

I heard on the radio that Michael Irvin singed a 3 yr deal w/ the Cowboys.

Tim.
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From: tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman)
Subject: Re: NFL Realignment
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 20:28:29 GMT

>- Would you be in favor of realignment? yes

>- Why or why not?
   Several Reasons:
   1. I'm tired of the same 'ol divisions 
   2. They should have it geographically correct.

>- If yes, what would you like to see in the ways of realignment?

NFC East:       NFC Central:            NFC West:
 Redskins          Bears                  49ers
 Giants            Vikings                Rams
 Eagles            Saints                Cardinals
 Falcons           Packers                Cowboys
 Bucs              Bengals


AFC East:       AFC Central:            AFC West:
  Jets             Browns                 Raiders
  Pats             Steelers               Chargers
  Dolphins         Oilers                 Broncos
  Bills            Chiefs                 Seahawks
  Lions            Colts

>- Do you think the NFL would do it? no

Tim.
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From: creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman)
Subject: Re: Eric Swann questio
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:45:37 GMT

In article <55937@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>For those a little closer to the scene in Phoenix with the Cardinals,
>what is Eric Swann's current status? I know the surgery was done and
>pronounced successful, and they claimed he would be ready to play
>by the first real game if not sooner. Did he play at all in the pre-
>season, is he going to play in the opener, is he playing on the nose
>or are they playing him at end like they originally planned?
>
>thanks.
>
>

Swann did infact play in the preseason.  He has been hampered by 
nagging injuries however, and because of this the Cards have limited
his play to passing situations only.  He will play in the opener 
and he will be at end.  Just don't expect to see him on first down
or in second unless its an obvious passing situation.

Creas
>
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From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: EATING WORDS!
Date: 2 Sep 92 04:52:31 GMT
Reply-To: agr00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

From amdahl!charon.amdahl.com!uunet!olivea!donehoo Wed Aug 26 17:28:34 PDT 1992
Article 24631 of rec.sport.football.pro:
>From: donehoo@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Doyle Donehoo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Joe (Toast?) Montana
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:25:16 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

>Remember those of you who said Joe was Toast? That Joe was
>ashed up? That he was outta here??

>Well, toast is served. Eat your words.

>Joe Montana was throwing in practice today, and will start this Friday.

>The rest of the league and their fans can go back to their regular
>rogram of cowering and shaking when number 16 hits the field. :-) Hee hee.
>Joe is BACK! Now the 49ers are at least 3 deep in great QBs.

>Is number 16 still on the field? Then it's not over yet."
	-Collingsworth, when his team was ahead in the Superbowl
         in the last minutes of the game.

>(Now, lets see how Joe does.)


Will the guy who said this stand forward now?
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Broncos/Ricky Nattiel
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:20:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.153555.10863@leland.Stanford.EDU> blokhead@leland.Stanford.EDU (Darren Pakying Lum) writes:
>Just noticed Nattiel was released by Tampay Bay.
>I've been wondering for several seasons what 
>happened with him and Denver.  He was a 1st rounder
>and very good his 1st year.  Why did the Bucs release
>him and why did the Broncos trade him?  Any possibility
>of Denver picking him back up since they are thin at WR?
>
>Thanks,
>Darren
>

Ricky was released here because he had lost several steps since
his knee surgury and seems to somewhat favor the knee. There is
a free agent wide receiver here named  Willie Culpepper who put
up big numbers in the arena league.  He has a chance to make it
here at speed receiver as he has flashed his 4.3 speed all dur-
ing camp.   Ricky was simply beat out here as  the team's speed
receiver.
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From: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: MONTANA ON IR?
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:13:16 GMT
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California

In article <jjonsson.126@alexandria.lib.utah.edu>, jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
>I just heard a rumor that Joe has been placed on IR by the 49ers. Can anyone 
>confirm or deny this?

If that were true, then he would have to be out for the entire season. But
it's almost a certainty that he will be placed on IR today (Tuesday), and
thus will miss at least the first four games. Sigh...I wish we could just
get this charade over with.

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Bob Marshall                     \\     "It ain't age
Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     That makes me look this way
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From: lesher@news.bucknell.edu (T. Lesher)
Subject: Re: EATING WORDS!
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:12:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.152918.2562@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:

>I cannot understand the rationale behind your obvious dislike for
>Montana.  So what if he is at the end of his career.  Also,
>Montana has the right to want to play.  He is a winner, not a
>quitter.  The fact that Montana does not realize the Fat Lady is
>singing is no reason to knock him around. Is there?
>

The point being (over-)made here is that if Young or Bono can (and they CAN)
throw better than Montana, is it right to let him play when it may hurt
the team's chances on the whole?  I don't think so.

>The MAN deserves some respect.  There will never be another 
>Joe "Sky" Montana, who can quarterback a team in FOUR SB's
>to victories with such coolness.  The SB is the most pressure
>type game around (no 4 out 7) and the quarterback determines
>the outcome.  Joe is the ultimate warrior under pressure.  Check
>his stats in the SB.  No interceptions!  Think about that for
>a moment.  It is not like the Niner's DON'T throw the ball!
>When anyone thinks of memorable SB moments, Montana is at the
>top of the list.

Right.  And I agree with the above.  But that was then.  He is arguably
the best QB of all time.  But not anymore.  He is costing a lot of money
to keep on and off the bench as sporadic intervals.

Tim Lesher
<lesher@bucknell.edu>
(Still haven't written up a .sig)
From: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Lions News
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:00:38 GMT
Reply-To: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: wakankar@frith.egr.msu.edu

In article <1992Sep2.171603.16383@col.hp.com> mw@col.hp.com (Mike Waughn) writes:
>
>WR
>Willie Green*
>Brett Perriman*
>Mike Farr*
>Herman Moore*
>Reggie Barrett
>Jeff Campbell
>Aubrey Mathews
>(I think I may be missing one here)


Yes! You are missing Mel Gray, an All-pro!


Parag
From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: superbowl XIV tape
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:00:47 GMT
Reply-To: agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <Btz1yu.CDJ@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@andy.bgsu.edu (don lingle) writes:
>Does anyone have a superBowl XIV videotape? or any of the four SuperBowls
>that the Steelers won.
>
>Thanks
>Don


While we are discussion Superbowl tapes, I have been looking for Superbowl
17, Washington and Miami for years.  Does anyone have an extra copy or
one they would copy for me?

I'll pay the cost!
-tony
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From: rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald D Rodabaugh)
Subject: Re: NFL Realignment
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Summary: Why?
Keywords: Why?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 04:28:05 GMT

     Concerning realignment in the NFL, I have just one question: WHY?
     These teams play ONCE A WEEK, for 16 games. Does it really matter that 
Phoenix has to go east four times a year every year? Is it really going to be 
that much cheaper for the NFL to realign geographically? NO.
     Would realignment affect television contracts (pertinent to the
controversy in the ordered realignment of the National League in baseball)?
Absolutely not. Here in the eastern time zone, we get games at 1:00 P.M., 4:00
P.M., 8:00 P.M. (for those of us with cable), and at 8:00 or 9:00 P.M. on
Monday nights, depending on ABC's whims. This will not change, regardless of
alignment in each conference.
     I think a far more pertinent issue to discuss here is that of fan desire.
Frankly, since my favorite team is Cleveland, I do not feel I am in a position
to say whether or not fans of teams with skewed alignment would feel slighted
by a realignment. But I would be interested in hearing, especially from all you
Atlanta Falcon fans.

Go Reds, Go Buckeyes, and Go Browns!!!!
David Rodabaugh                    rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Senior, Mechanical Engineering
The Ohio State University
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From: jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Mark Bavarro
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:22:45 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs

In article <1992Sep2.144742.23800@gvl.unisys.com>, stevel@gvlf9-g.gvl.unisys.com (Steve Loomis) writes:
|> 
|> 	The last word I had on bavarro was that he was expected not to
|> 	make the team. I have not seen anything to back this up in the
|> 	papers over the last several days.

Bavaro was not cut from the team and more than likely will start against
the Colts.

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From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)
Subject: POOL - Picks for Preseason Week #5 (REPOST) - DUE THURSDAY!!!!!!!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:44:27 GMT

Preseason Week 5
----------------

Mail this form to davewood@cs.colorado.edu with the word "picks" in the
subject line.  Be sure to choose one and only one team for each game.  Mark
your choice with an 'x' in the appropriate box.  Put your initials after the
word "Initials:" (ON THE SAME LINE!) at the bottom of the form.  If you have
questions about this form, send them with the subject "fbproblem."  If you
still need to sign up, YOU MUST SEND A SEPARATE MESSAGE with the word
"signup" in the subject line.  Do not reply to this message unless it is to
send in your picks.  See the Rules/Signup post for more information.

WEIGHTS: Assign 10 points to 4 different games.
	 Assign  7 points to 5 different games.
	 Assign  5 points to 5 different games.

This form is due at 4:30pm PST (11:30pm GMT) on Thursday, Aug 27. NO EXCEPTIONS!

Do not remove anything below this line!

 WT  Away                       Home
*------------------------------------------------*
[  ] [ ] NY Jets		[ ] Philadelphia
[  ] [ ] New Orleans		[ ] Miami at Baltimore, MD
[  ] [ ] LA Rams		[ ] San Diego
[  ] [ ] Detroit		[ ] Cincinnati
[  ] [ ] Cleveland		[ ] Tampa Bay
[  ] [ ] Chicago		[ ] Dallas
[  ] [ ] Buffalo		[ ] Atlanta
[  ] [ ] Seattle		[ ] San Francisco
[  ] [ ] Indianapolis		[ ] Kansas City
[  ] [ ] Phoenix		[ ] Denver
[  ] [ ] Houston		[ ] LA Raiders
[  ] [ ] NY Giants		[ ] Pittsburgh
[  ] [ ] Minnesota		[ ] Washington
[  ] [ ] New England		[ ] Green Bay at Milwaukee

Initials:

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