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From: b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Subject: Re: F3000 and Cig and Alcohol Ads
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:21:00 GMT

mbahh@s-crim1.dl.ac.uk (A.H. Henry) writes...
[rant deleted]
>< end rant> 
> 
>FISA have decided, to cancel the 1994 F3000 series.  It will be
>replaced with a series which will be cheaper, with regulations to be
>published in March '93.  March and Reynard aren't very happy about
>this, as it won't help the second-hand value of their recently 
>announced 1993 F3000 cars.  Given the proposed reduction in costs, 
>this may result in a control chassis or a production-based engine.
> 
> 
>			Andrew  Henry
>Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk

I don't see how FISA plans to stay in business if they keep 
cutting the throats of its cheif participants. I say bring back
CSI !

George
From: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au (Conrad Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Porsche trivia question
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:06:16 GMT
Reply-To: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Organization: QPSX Communications
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winders@aux.support.apple.com (Scott Winders) writes:
: 
: I would say that Porsche has a better idea of what a pure sports car
: is than Mazda or just about anyone else and the 911 proves that!!!
 
Na,  Scott,
   maybe the 907 proves it - but I'll take a Lotus 47 or 23 anyday.

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From: mbahh@s-crim1.dl.ac.uk (A.H. Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: D. Hill vs A. Prost <-> Mi. Andretti vs. A Senna
Date: 17 Dec 1992 12:10:41 -0000
Organization: Daresbury Lab., Warrington, U.K.
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In article <1992Dec17.012412.13144@microsoft.com> hanss@microsoft.com (Hans Spiller) writes:
>
>A friend of mine recently had the opportunity to tour a certain italian
>F1 shop, one with its own test track--and the smell of toluene (or whatever
>that "sweet" smell is) was unmistakable.  the rules may say one thing, but
>some folks may feel "above" such things.

I don't think FISA cares so long as they don't use illegal fuel
at a race.  Quite a lot of British F3 teams run Avgas for test
sessions for reduced engine wear.

>Didn't D Hill spend some time in F3000?  how'd he do?

He had about three years in British F3 and another couple
of years in F3000.  He had a Tickford Cosworth engine in
the 1990 season.  This was more powerful but less tractable
than the other engines.  For about three or four races he
was on the front row of the grid but managed to snatch
defeat from the jaws of victory each time.  I'm not sure
but I think most of his retirements were not directly
attributable to him.  They were from engine failures, being
hit by out of control backmarkers, that sort of thing.  
I think he might have ended up winning one or two races. 


			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
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From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Subject: Re: Road America is my vote
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:57:19 GMT

bownes@crd.ge.com (Keptin Komrade Dr. Bobwrench III) writes:

>Bringing RA up to F1 specs would be way too costly. Not enough run-off,
>traps are not big enough, and the largest cost of all - Pits and paddock.
>It's crowded at a GTP race and they don't need doors they can slam in our faces.

>As a track, it would be terrific, I must agree.

>More likely: Mid-Ohio, Heartland Park, or somewhere out west.


    I believe your "more likely" tracks are very UN-likely. I think
the most likely tracks are Road Atlanta, and an infield course at
IMS. Too many sources to quote, but I see either of these two as a
likely source of the '94 U.S.G.P.

Cory
From: squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: senna in indycars
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:02:05 GMT
Organization: BT Glasgow Systems and Software Engineering Centre, Scotland.


-- 
In article <1992Dec11.184306.4716@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>, mcclure@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
|> Senna in IndyCars.  I hope not!  His style of elitism and his
|> dangerous driving style should not be put up with - either in
|> IndyCars or F1.
|> Kent M. McClure
|> Auto racing afficionado and member of San
|> Jose IPMS chapter.
|> My views are what they are, like them or not.


Dangerous driving style ??
 
Please lets not get back on this subject , but what a stupid remark to make ...

Stephen Quigg
squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk 
British Telecom , GSSEC , Glasgow
(Nothing in any of my mail represents my Employer in any way)
From: mjackson.wbst147@xerox.com (Mark Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: Hill gets Williams drive!
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:25:10 GMT
Reply-To: mjackson.wbst147@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

In article 4ty@ncube.com, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:

> Maybe for my Xmas present this damn machine will start
> working again......

Welcome back!

> And why
> did the retirements of Magic Johnson, Larry Bird and other
> notable athletes thru the years command huge amounts of 
> sporting press in comparison to the few whimpers aired
> regarding Mears?

General media coverage of Mears' retirement was small but not
negligible, with several column inches on each of two days (first the
announcement with context, second a reaction story with comments from
Mario among others) in the papers I read.  Certainly he could have
gotten more ink by launching a year-long retirement tour (like a
certain GOB whose name escapes me at the moment) rather than making a
quiet disclosure at the Penske Christmas party.  Perhaps a festival is
not what the man wanted - so who are we to get upset on his behalf?

I *like* racing.  I focus most intensely on F1 for reasons, partly
historic, I cannot fully defend, but if I had the time I would follow
IndyCar much more closely, watch more NASCAR races, and get down to
Canandaigua for the WOO or the regular modified program more often than
once every five years.  At some level I wish the sport were more widely
followed in the local press.

But whining won't help, and maybe mass success wouldn't be such a Good
Thing.  Racing worldwide is facing a crisis at least partly brought on
by the loss of big money on which it had become dependent.  Money, in
the form of sponsorship and manufacturer involvement, follows audience
size.  It isn't at all clear to me that all the cash available in the
1980s made for better racing.  We have a sport here where the only
substitute for cubic inches is rectangular dollars (who first said
that, BTW?), which presents the profit-and-loss types with at least the
impression of choosing between buying a winner or pulling out
entirely.  Fortunately it is still possible through skill and luck to
do well on a limited but nonnegligible budget (Jordan 1991), and
through lack of same to blow a bundle (Ferrari recently).  But market
pressures continue to force Big Time racing toward "maturity," which in
this context means "spend a buck, buy a predictable return."  This is
not good for the sport as a *sport*.  (Can you name a mass-market sport
in which "too much money" is *not* viewed as a problem today?)

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From: wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson)
Subject: Re: French GP struck off!
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, Michigan (USA)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:32:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.202525.15598@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
>
>Unfortunately, there is no such exception in the law.  It says no TV broadcast
>of sporting events with tobacco advertising, period.  FISA just asked the
>French parliament to amend the law to allow broadcast of such events taking
>place outside France, but the parliament refused.  In fact, it is that refusal
>to amend the law that prompted the cancellation of the French GP.
> ... 
>It did come up as an alternative.  The intent of the French law is to keep
>tobacco companies from advertising at sporting events.  The authors of the law
>clearly were aware of the survey done, where, after the British GP, most
>people were completely unaware that the McLaren cars didn't say "Marlboro" on
>them--the red-and-white chevron colors were just as effective (maybe even more
>so) than the name "Marlboro".  So if the intent of the law really is to
>prevent the advertising, just deleting the letters isn't enough.  You have to
>ban all of the company's trademarks from appearing.
>
The intent of the law, as it turns out, isn't to prevent advertising AS A
MEANS TO HELP THE FRENCH PEOPLE QUIT SMOKING -- it's to prevent advertising
so that the local tobacco companies will have an easier time dominating
the home market.  I just love the French...

Dave Wilson

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From: marcink@quantum.carleton.ca (Marcin Kolbuszewski)
Subject: D. Hill vs A. Prost <-> Mi. Andretti vs. A Senna
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:25:00 GMT

A discussion "D. Hill vs A. Prost"  - who is better inspired
me to ask a question, maybe even flame...
Michael Andretti tested McLaren in Barcelona and got half a second behind
Senna's qualifying time in 1992 spec car.I think that it is quite quick -
for a first test...

Marcin
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Subject: Re: From Bob Kehoe-- Rick Mears
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:59:34 GMT

>Forwarded from Bob Kehoe (bob@ncube.com)...
>
>Thoughts on Mears' retirement:
>One can only wonder at this time if Rick will
>'unretire' himself for the Indy500 (ala Unser Sr,
>Sneva, Johncock, Rutherford, et al), simply to
>make a stab at becoming the only 5-time Indy
>champ in our lifetime.

Just a nit-picky point.  Al Sr. isn't really in retirement.  He has been
approached by quite a few teams to drive for them (the minor teams) but he's
been turning them down because he doesn't want to drive a car that doesn't
have a fighting chance of winning.  Hopefully IndyCar will allow the Buick's
to run with the Indy 500 boosts (I know Buick has pulled out, but Brayton
Engr. will still be supplying them) for all the races.  That way, teams
like Menard might consider the whole season.......

Rob U
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From: tdonahue@star-trek.bbn.com (Tim Donahue)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: D.Hill to drive for Williams next Season
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:30:35 GMT
Reply-To: tdonahue@BBN.COM (Tim Donahue)
Organization: Bolt Beranek & Newman Inc.
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Alvin J Richards writes:

> ... D.Hill would be the team mate for A.Prost for the next season with
> Williams...By all accounts, Frank Williams was impressed with D.Hills
> times during the testing at Estoril (see previous postings to this
> group). Is Prost too afraid of any competition ?

Hello?  Prost welcomed Senna to McLaren, remember?

Mansell is the guy who's been asking for "a chance to defend the
championship in the same manner in which I've won it", namely, driving a
car that's 2 seconds a lap faster than the rest, with clear #1 status in
the team.

When the lights go green, I don't think Mr. Hill (or anybody else, for
that matter) will be seeing much of Mr. Prost on any track with an
average speed over 120 MPH.  But that's just my opinion, of course.
With any luck McLaren's semiautomatic gearbox and (anticipated) active
ride will make the MP4/8 Cosworth somewhat faster than a Benetton or a
Lotus, which means chasing the Williams boys on the twistier circuits.
Swallow-both-feet prediction: Andretti on the top stand at Monaco.

Senna and Mansell will be over here working on their American accents,
simpering about their respective lack of mechanical advantage and
yellows in general. I expect to hear a lot about the vagaries of pop-off
valves, myself.  Too bad Michael won't be here to blow BOTH their doors
off, although I expect Little Al, Tracy, and the "aging former World
Champion Fittipaldi" to do some damage.

Cheers,
Tim
From: aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1: Hill gets Williams drive!
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:44:11 GMT
Reply-To: aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk ()
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

After months of argument, rumour and speculation, Frank Williams has finally
decided to give the much sought-after second Williams drive to his test-driver
for the past 2 years, Damon Hill.  Damon, who is son of the late Graham Hill, 
will partner Alain Prost for all 16 rounds of the 1993 World Championship,
and will carry the number 0 on his Williams FW15B from the South African GP on.

Damon has received the support of Prost, Renault, Camel, and all the other 
associated sponsors, as well as departing World Champion Nigel Mansell.  
Frank Williams said that the deciding factor for the team was the recent 
Estoril test, where Damon was told that his performance would have a 
significant bearing on the decision.  Hill topped the times in the test, beating
Prost by a few 10ths, although I must add that their respective times were set
on different days, so may not be representative.

Meanwhile, Mansell had a busy weekend collecting accolades (sp?), including the
one he has been after for a fair few years now.  He was in Paris on Friday to
collect his World Championship trophy, and even stood smiling next to Frank.
On Sunday, he was announced as BBC Sports personality of the year, and he had
Damon at his side (and a big plaster cast on his left leg!).  Surprisingly, he
didn't whinge at all, although his speech did go on for quite a while, as he
thanked everyone from his dog to the baker's wife.

I hope Damon has a successful year, because he will be under a lot of pressure,
but there is no doubt that he is quick, and he should be able to keep Prost 
honest.  More later.

Cheers,

	Obi.

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From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Re: Various threads.
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:12:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.134756.6061@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
(Andrew Henry) writes:
|> The Motoring News reckons the Hart engine might soon become a Rover.
|> Apparently some Rover stickers appeared on a Jordan during one of
|> the recent test sessions.

Interesting.  Is Rover still a British Leyland company?  (Are Jaguar?)
Or are one or more of these entities owned by the Japanese?  And wasn't
the 1.5 litre Coventry Climax F1 engine a product of British Leyland?

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From: fia@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jaime Sanchez 3574)
Subject: Re: French GP report - Autoweek 12/14
Summary: Whinning, pissey, yes pissey French
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 05:21:20 GMT

In article <Bz604A.Msy@umassd.edu> rgolen@UMASSD.EDU writes:
>From this week's (12/14)  Autoweek:
>
>"BLOWING SMOKE? Next year's French Grand Prix could be cancelled due to a
>row over tobacco advertising with the Monaco GP possibly threatened, too.
>
>The Comite National Anti Tabagisme (CNAT), a group of anti-smoking
>campaigners, has jumped the gun on a French reform due to take 
>affect at the beginning of 1993 and managed to obtain a
>court judgement against the Camel-sponsored Williams F1 team
>over teh logos shown during the French telecast of the Australian
>Grand Prix. The CNAT reportedly has persuaded French television
>companies to agree not to show events involving tobacco sponsorship.
>
>Williams could have its equipment seized if it ignores a $5-million
>(yes kiddies $5 million according to Autoweek) fine. FISA president
>Max Mosley has asked Jean-Marie Balestre to appeal to the 
>French government."
>

This seems to be another example of the whinning French, yes the same ones
that throw scads of money into F1 racing. They're probably being pissy
about the current tariff BS they can't seem to live with. Gee lets not
allow any racing on TV cause of he cigarette ads. I can hear it now;

some French dad talking to his young son:
Sorry son but there will be no racing weekend for us this year cause smoking
is bad for you. But don't worry you can still drink the wine we give you at
dinner. (It's French) 

I think if France dropped into the ocean no one would care. At least I 
wouldn't.
Flame me I don't care none of you can or will ever pay my bills.

Jim Sanchez.
From: bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Flame! (Re: senna in indycars)
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:44:05 GMT
Reply-To: bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <3380056@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:
>>Dangerous driving style ??
>>Please lets not get back on this subject , but what a stupid remark to make ...
>
>Stupid?  Try accurate.  How many cars will Senna punt intentionally this
>year?

Well, if he drives in F1, the only cars that he might want to punt
will be the ones he'll be unable to catch <g>.  If he tries it at Indy
he'll likely acquire some major injuries for his efforts (either from
the crash or from the beating given him by the team members - his, as
well as others'.)

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From: rbt@dracut.keps.com (Bob Tufts)
Subject: Re: John Barnard's new Farrari
Originator: rbt@dracut
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:18:16 GMT

In article <15810@suns6.crosfield.co.uk> ab@crosfield.co.uk (Andrew Bradley) writes:
> 
> A friend of mine who works for Philips has recently visited the Woking
> site in Surrey to determine their test equipement requirements.
> 
> The suprise was that not only are they developing the new Farrari
> chassis but also the V12 engine to go with it - all at the Woking site.
> 
> Don't they trust Farrari to develop it themselves ?

Development for the FARrari team is being done by their offshoot consultant-

NEAR-ari  ..... ('cause it's closer)  :-)   (sorry!)
From: ynecjac@cid.aes.doe.CA (Jacques Deslauriers)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Car names
Summary: Dictionnary of car names
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:17:44 GMT
Organization: Environment Canada (CID), Dorval, QC


  

  One of my kid, at college, has started a project dealing
  with car names. He is trying to get as many names of cars
  as possible and then build some statistics arroud that 
  data base. I remember seeing such a list many years ago
  but I can not remember where.

  If any one out there has a list or know where we can obtain
  one we would greatly appreciate. 
  
  We will post our findings if we get enough material.

  Thanks.

  Jacques Deslauriers
  HNSX Supercomputers
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From: unglenie@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Subject: Re: F1/INDY BLA,BLA,BLA...
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:25:23 GMT

Nazare Motta writes:
> ...
>Then Fitipaldi moved to the U.S. and became the first foreigner to win the
>500 miles of Indianapolis and I started watching it. 

I've figured it out!  All foreigners come from Brazil!!!
Seriously though, Fittipaldi was hardly the first foreigner to win the Indy 500,
but he was the first Brazilian to do so!

Rob U
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Subject: Rick Mears Retires
From: loosli@bbs.ug.eds.com
Date: 11 Dec 92 14:56:16 GMT
Organization: TRW SAFETY SYSTEMS/MESA
Nntp-Posting-User: loosli

    USA Today (Friday Dec. 11, 1992) without permission
    
    Four-time Indianapolis 500 winner Rick Mears shocked the racing world
    Thursday night by announcing his retirement as a competitive driver.
    
    Mears, 41, who had surgery Aug. 19 to repair a broken wrist, suffered
    in crashes before and during the Indy 500, drove his last race Aug.2,
    finishing 16th in the Marlboro 500.
    
    He was idle the rest of the season bus was expected to begin testing
    for Roger Penske's Marlboro Team Penske later this month.  The surprise
    announcement came during Penske's annual Christmas party at the team's
    shops in Reading, Pa.
    
    "It was a tough decision," Mears said.  "I started thinking about it
    some time ago, probably even before Indy.  Obviously, Indy was
    something that made me think a little more about it.  After that, it
    was a little here and a little there."
    
    Ben

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