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From:         STGG8004@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE
Subject:      Re: Pricing of digital map products

Keith Clark suggests:

> Those folks in the U.K. and Ireland who are complaining about data
> costs. Use US data. Its good, free, consistent, and often available
> over Internet, as is the software to display it. At the same time,
> write to the officials in Government who are limiting access to the
> data and let them know your wishes.

An interesting idea, and I appreciate that Keith's posting was intended to
help keep the discussion going. But....

I would be very interested to hear about any public domain US data for Ireland
- or anywhere in Europe come to that! :-) Apart from old Landsat imagery,
and global scale databases such as DCW and WDB-II, as far as I know there are
none? Perhaps the answer is for all of us Europeans to just switch to studying
the US of A?  (After all, it is where most of the Irish are! :-)
Darius
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From:         "V. NOGUEIRA" <NOGUEIRA@UTKVX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: PC dBase mapping software

Can anyone give me an idea of the ongoing price of Atlas Pro?
V. Nogueira
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From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
Subject: Re: Laurini's and Thompson's book
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:14:50 GMT

When I looked into Aronson I found a significant problem. VERY expensive
for a paperback ($60+ and no bookstore discounts which means the end
price would be more like $85 or so). I have heard rumors that the price
has been adjusted downward but have no factual information. At $85 (or
even $60) for a slim paperback I suspect I would have a student revolt!
One prof I know canned a paperback from a European publisher (not in the
GIS area) which would have cost his students over $120!
-- 
Duane F. Marble			       E-mail: dmarble@magnus.acs.osu.edu
Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
The Ohio State University
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From:         fielding@GEOLOGY.CORNELL.EDU
Subject:      Digital Chart of the World--New Guinea coverage?

  Could some one who has the Digital Chart of the World do us a favor
and check whether it has reasonable topographic contours for New
Guinea? We have DCW on order, but it hasn't arrived yet. A colleague
wants to get topo data for New Guinea and needs to know if it is on DCW
for a grant proposal due soon.

			++Eric Fielding
eric@geology.cornell.edu
From: kclarke@RESDGW6.ER.USGS.GOV ((Keith C. Clarke))
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Date: 17 Nov 92 17:33:59 GMT
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Darius states....
 Perhaps the answer is for all of us Europeans to just switch to studying
the US of A?  (After all, it is where most of the Irish are! :-)
.......
That is exactly what I meant. The US can benefit greatly from the
additional new research, and a clear message will go to the officials
who have control over the data that is you want GIS to be locally
applicable, then local data must be available. The 1960-> "brain drain"
produced a reaction some time ago. If intellectual energy and GIS
solutions come over to this side of the Atlantic, maybe someone in
power would take note.
Again NOT the opinion of TPTB (The Powers That Be)
kclarke@everest.hunter.cuny.edu
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From:         Pip Forer <pip@GEOG.CANTERBURY.AC.NZ>
Subject:      Re: Reference needed for book on Metadata

>>I believe I saw reference to a book called Metadata in the Geosciences
>>on this list some time ago.  Does anyone have a more complete reference,
>>ISBN, publisher, and price?  Thanks.


>>Jeff Nugent

Metedata in the Geosciences, ( 1991) Editors D.Medyckyj-Scott, I Newman, C
 Ruggles and D Walker. Group D Publications, Loughborough, England ( 81 Park
 Rd.,Loughborough  LE11 2HD ).

12 chapters on data and metadata issues, basically from a UK perspective. 240
 pages. A very useful resource.  Afraid I don't have a price, but it is
 paperback and modestly but solidly produced.

Pip Forer
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From:         "(Mutahar Hickey)" <mhick@BSU-CS.BSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Pricing of digital map products

Peter Halls writes:

M:Darius questions the charging basis of the UK OS.  It is, essentially, based
M:on a 'tile' which has a given area (wherever in the country you are) for any
M:specific scale.  For example, 1 :1250 - 500sm; 1: 2500 - 500sm, 1 : 10000
 5skm,
M:but charged per sq km so the actual cost per tile is 25 times for a given
 tile!
I would like a specific reference here.  How much are you talking about
here? And could you give the results both in pound sterling and in U.S.
dollars?

				Mutahar

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From: xor@clotho.acm.rpi.edu (Joe Schwartz)
Subject: Re:      Re: PC dBase mapping software
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:28:44 GMT

In article <199211181237.AA16136@accucx.cc.ruu.nl> koop@CC.RUU.NL writes:
>Is there anyone who can tell us a bit more about the interface between
>INTERGRAPH, MGE/SX and MapInfo. I heard that INTERGRAPH is currently
>developing such a product.

MapInfo is working with Intergraph to enhance their MGE products.  MGE
will be able to directly read and write map files in "MapInfo for GUI"
format.  ("MapInfo for GUI" means everything except MapInfo for DOS.
All of our GUI products use the same map file format, but our DOS
product uses an older format.)  This eliminates the need to use an
interchange format like DXF or MIF.
-- 
Joe Schwartz       E-mail: xor@acm.rpi.edu
MapInfo Corp.
200 Broadway       Disclaimer: "Everything I know is wrong."
Troy, NY 12180     Corollary:  "Nothing I say represents MapInfo Corp."
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From:         Peter Halls <PJH1@VAXA.YORK.AC.UK>
Subject:      HELP ... Kenyan data sought ....

Friends ...
     I have a visiting research student with me from Nairobi who intends to
learn as much about GIS (and ARC/INFO ... but that's another story!) as is
possible whilst he is with me, so that on return he can bootstrap GIS usage.

     Whilst I *could* find some UK data for him to work with, it would be FAR
more useful if I could locate some Kenyan data - that would give him a *real*
purpose!

     He is interested in animal migration .. and gamekeeping (poacher stalking!)
is there any PD server based data anywhere that I can access to give this guy
a chance?

     With a big 'thank you' in advance,

Peter Halls
University of York


PJH1@UK.AC.YORK   ... or t'other way about!
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From:         Frans.Rip@CGI.RPV.WAU.NL
Subject:      LARCH-L: Landscape Architecture list

PLease spread the word about this new list. I am sure a number of GIS- and/or
CAD using landscape architects would like to discuss landscape subjects by email
   .
Frans Rip, Wageningen Agr. U. , The Netherlands
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From: panda@syrinx.umd.edu (Lisa Nyman)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: Laurini & Thompson's Fundamentals of GIS?
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:05:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.110608.9084@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble) writes:
>An interesting book but, in my mind, not suitable for a first course
>in GIS. Most of the people we see these days want to be users of the
>technology and are not interested in this level of technical depth.

Also, this book is easier to read if one has a decent computer
science background.  I think that undergraduate students would have
some trouble with the depth in GIS and dbase theory (as opposed to 
concentration in applications in many beginning courses),
particularly those with no CS coursework or CS knowledge.
-- 
Lisa Wolfisch Nyman              "Life is too short to wear ugly underwear."
panda@syrinx.umd.edu       send email for a copy of the gis FAQ, ask nicely!
** Geographers: the original Space Cadets. To know one is to love one.
New from Dweeb Publishers: Memoirs of a Workstation Widow, Oh the Agony of It!!
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From: rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov (Richard Spear)
Subject: GRASS software availability
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:53:20 GMT


'm not a geographer but am interested in taking a look at GRASS.
i get the impression that it is shareware and available on the net.
could someone point out where i might find it? i appologize in
advance for requesting something that is already described in a faq.
--
richard
rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov
all disclaimers apply
From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
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Subject: Re: ISBN for Laurini & Thompson's Fundamentals of GIS?
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:13:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Nov17.111350.529
Organization: The Ohio State University

Our de facto campus core in GIS contains no technical courses of the
type that would be serviced by Laurine & Thompson. The first course
is a ten week Intro to GIS which uses Introductory Readings in GIS and
OSU MAP-for-the-PC in the labs. The second course, which was set up
by Dana Tomlin when he was with us, starts with the assumption that the
students know both the basics of GIS and the teaching software. The main
focus is on spatial analysis and problem solving using the GIS. The
book has been Dana's from Prentice Hall. The third course is on GIS
Design and Implementation which uses a set of readings that I have
put together.

The problem with the technical material is that students, at least
those I deal with, come in two groups. The largest by far is interested
in GIS applications and frequently have a computer background on the
word processing level (little or no programming experience). The second
group (much smaller) has extensive computer experience including in some
cases graduate work and degrees in computer science. I don't need to
teach a technical course for these folk, they are quite capable of picking
up Laurine & Thompson and reading it for themselves. We do require that
our students in the first group acquire basic programming skills, but
the CS courses they go on to take are in areas such as software engineering
and database systems.

Our two year M.A. program is a pretty full one since the department
requires ALL graduate students to do a full year of work in advanced
quantative methods. We also require basic calculus and statistics for
admission and about half (?) of the incoming students are deficient
in one or the other area and must spend part of their time making it
up.

Speaking for Taylor & Francis, we would really like to see somebody
come forward with a good introductory text in GIS. Coordinated but
non-software specific exercises would also be nice. Anyone interested?
-- 
Duane F. Marble			       E-mail: dmarble@magnus.acs.osu.edu
Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
The Ohio State University
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From:         OPRE009@CSC.CANTERBURY.AC.NZ
Subject:      Re: Map based emergency response system

Hello,

Regarding mapped-based emergency response systems, there is another
organization that specalizes in this area.  It is

	Research Alternatives, Inc.
	Suite 3
	966 Hungerford Drive
	Rockville, MD 20850
	(301)424-2803

They use GIS specifically for use in an EOC (Emergency Operations Center).
I think they do their own map digitizing.  Anyhow, you could contact them
for details.

Cheers,

Bruce W. Lamar
University of Canterbury
Christchurch, New Zealand
BWLAMAR@canterbury.ac.nz
From: RSIU42A@SAUPM00.BITNET (Trevor D. Rotzien)
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Date: 17 Nov 92 05:03:10 GMT
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              16 Nov 1992 21:14:50 GMT from <dmarble@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

Wow! You guys south of the border are paying bigtime for books.  I picked
up Aronson at the Simon Fraser University Bookstore in Vancouver, B.C. for
$49 CANADIAN! What would that be in USD these days, $40?

I'll admit however, paying over $70 for a very slim book on Physical
Oceanography for a course back in 1986.

Here in Saudi, I have to order anything specialized, usually at over 200
per cent mark-up.

Are university texts really that expensive to produce??

Are there any initiatives in the works amongst agencies with a GIS
focus to subsidize digital data and or reference materials such as
textbooks? NCGIA? Others? At least within the realm of GIS in the
academic and research environment, it would seem beneficial.


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dhahran 31261             the research institute
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From:         "V. NOGUEIRA" <NOGUEIRA@UTKVX.BITNET>
Subject:      gis intro texts

I am planning to buy the NGCIA  class material, but would like to hear some
comments. Can any good soul out there help with this?

V. Nogueira
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From:         Geoffrey Wright <jwright@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>
Subject:      GIS and City Parks

I am working on a project with the New Haven Parks Dept. to design a GIS
system for daily management and planning.  Among the things they would
like to use it for are park security, an inventory of street trees, and
park maint.
Is anyone aware of a city that currently uses GIS in their parks department?
Thank you for the help.  Jed Wright
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              15 Nov 1992 12:55:23 +0100 from <frank@MECAN1.MAINE.EDU>

Andrew,

Do you have the publisher's name or the ISBN for Laurini & Thompson's
Fundamentals of GIS?


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dhahran 31261             the research institute
saudi arabia              king fahd university of petroleum & minerals

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From:         LSAJBRIM@HKPCC.HKP.HK
Subject:      spatio-temporal modelling of wildfire

To:   yuanmay@GEOG.BUFFALO.EDU
Subj: spatio-temporal modelling of wildfire


Dear May,

In a recent GIS-L message, your name was mentioned in connection
with spatio-temporal modelling of wildfires. I am currently have
a long term involvement in an ecological database for Hong Kong
with the World Wildlife Fund for Nature. There are annually some
700 wildfire call outs in our Country Parks during the winter dry
season due to the high recreational pressures on these areas. I
would be most grateful if you could give some references specific
to your application area or email/fax me some reports that you
have.

Thanking you in advance.

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G ALLAN BRIMICOMBE > > > > > > > email lsajbrim@hkpcc.hkp.hk  K
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From: cowen@hssc.scarolina.edu (David Cowen)
Subject: Arc to GRASS conversion ?
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:30:21 GMT

Is there are direct conversion between Arc/INFO's GRID data structure
to GRASS data structure?  I'm trying to help a student who is not 
familiar with GRID (as am I)? Any help would be appreciated.

Send replys to:  

**********************************************************
Wm. Lynn Shirley - Humanities & Social Sciences Computing Lab
University of South Carolina - Columbia SC 29208 USA
   Phone:  803-777-4590      FAX:   803-777-7489
           lynn@otis.hssc.scarolina.edu                                     
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From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
Subject: Re: Map based emergency response system
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:10:07 GMT

The OSU van I mentioned in an earlier posting has an inertial nav unit
which cuts in when the GPS signal is lost (underpasses are real problem
in urban areas) and drops out when it comes back on line. If anyone wants
one of these mobile mapping units I suspect OSU will be happy to build
one to order!
-- 
Duane F. Marble			       E-mail: dmarble@magnus.acs.osu.edu
Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
The Ohio State University
Columbus, Ohio 43210                   Fax: (614) 292-6213
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From:         Tim Allen <T_ALLEN@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Remote Sensing List Service

--- Pete Wolter <pwolter@SPARKIE.NRRI.UMN.EDU> wrote:

It is well known that the GIS-L is a terrific reference for GIS folks...
I would like to know if such a service exhists for REMOTE SENSING topics??

"If I knew what I was doing it wouldn't be research"
--- end quote ---

Try IMAGRS-L@CSEARN.BITNET -- "Digital Image Processing of Remotely Sensed
Data."  No where near as active as GIS-L -- join us, we could use some more
traffic!


Tim Allen                              t_allen@unhh.unh.edu
Science Division - Geology             (603) 358-2571
Keene State College
Keene, NH 03431
From: arlie@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Arlie Haig)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:38:16 GMT
Subject: Re: GIS and City Parks
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
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PLEASE post answers/responses!!! We also are needing this info.

Thanks in advance,
Arlie Haig
arlie@hpsad.sad.hp.com

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