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From: rm009b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (ryan sky mills)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: WANTED: Info. of home VR
Summary: Nedd to know more about Home VR
Keywords: novice in VR world
Date: 8 Nov 92 20:22:46 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


	I am interested in setting up a homebrew VR station and was
wondering what type of equipment I would need for a basic beginning.

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From: kbeal@amber (Ken Beal)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: 3d and Obsolete
Date: 14 Nov 1992 01:37:04 GMT
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BRENCKLE,NICHOLAS (brenckle@scsuc.ctstateu.edu) wrote:
: But a note on 3-d vision. Binocular vision is only part of the reason we
: see in 3 d. I have an interesting text file on obsolescence and virtual
: reality I'll send up next time. Check out the book by Harlod Rheingold 
: on VR and its uses. Very interesting reading.
: -Nick
: BRENCKLE@SCSUC.CTSTATEU.EDU

	Please send it up (or email it to me).  I was "blessed" with
monocular vision (there is a crater on the center of the optic nerve, left
eye) and am quite interested in VR.  This weekend I'm getting (if I can
find one) a powerglove, and will look for Sega's glasses as well.

	But will the glasses DO anything for me?  Using old-tech 3D
glasses, all I see is red (or blue, depending on the orientation :-) ).
I wonder how Sega (or other) glasses work?  And how much I actually SEE
in 3D to begin with (perhaps very little, as I only have peripheral vision
in that eye, and it can't even read...).

	Thanks in advance for any info!
--
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"I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!" - MST3k
"Street person my responsibility." - Indigo Girls
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From: langston@memstvx1.memst.edu (Mark C. Langston)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Looking for Brenda Laurel
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:37:50 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Nov12.005123.8589@athena.mit.edu>, john@granada.mit.edu (John Olson) writes:
> Brenda Laurel was quoted in a recent Mondo 2000 as a
> researcher in VR; she wrote "The Art of Human-Computer
> Interface Design" (Addison-Wesley, 1989) and "Computers
> as Theatre" (Addison-Wesley, 1991).  Does anyone have
> an internet address for Ms. Laurel, or any suggestions how
> I could find such an address?
> 
> Please email any replies.  Thanks!
> 
> John Olson
> john@segovia.mit.edu

  I often have the same problem.  Look up a publication of hers.  Find
out what institution/organization she is at.  Find a map or 'whois' the
organizations name.  Find the main node address.  Finger her name at the
address.  If all else fails email the postmaster at the organization.




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From: rhino@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Rhino Project)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Home brew VR?
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:13:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Basically I got the following answers....

Amiga: Good machine if you get one with the beefed up vision boards etc.
Mostly recommend by die-hard amiga people.

386/486:The 33 megahertz 386 seemed like enough for the moment so a 486 is probably a good idea. The most popular area for most of the homebrew people.

SGI:If you can afford it get it! it seems to be the platform of choice for those
who can afford a $10,000 starter package with no virtual reality stuff. 

NeXT:Not to popular b/c basically there are so few machines out there compared
to the others but from what I understand it would do just fine...
CW

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From: merlin@freeside.com (Merlin the Idiot Magi)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: TV glasses and VR
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 17:12:27 CST
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

dleclair@netlink.cts.com (Douglas LeClair) writes:

   [Posts by Popec@freeside.com and I deleted...]
  [ some of His posts was deleted, too...]
> This invention _MAY_ change VR, but what about cost? Cost is going to be  
> relatively high until mass production is intiated, and even then it will 
> most probably become obsolete, like everything else :)
>  
> Doug
> 
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   Even so, if it deos become obsolete, all the better.  I have friends 
whose house had something near $50K in computer equipment, puchased for, 
at the most, $1K.  All of this equipment was `obsolete' by the standards 
applicable, but worked fine to give them a decent Ethernet LAN and .5Gigs 
of memory, with up to .1-.2Gigs out in the network.    Obsolete is not 
necesarily a bad thing.  
   /// & ///

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: TV glasses and VR
From: dleclair@netlink.cts.com (Douglas LeClair)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 17:16:12 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

> > This invention _MAY_ change VR, but what about cost? Cost is going to be  
> > relatively high until mass production is intiated, and even then it will 
> > most probably become obsolete, like everything else :)
> > 
> > --                    
> 
>    Even so, if it deos become obsolete, all the better.  I have friends 
> whose house had something near $50K in computer equipment, puchased for, 
> at the most, $1K.  All of this equipment was `obsolete' by the standards 
> applicable, but worked fine to give them a decent Ethernet LAN and .5Gigs 
> of memory, with up to .1-.2Gigs out in the network.    Obsolete is not 
> necesarily a bad thing.  
> 
 
Good Point! True, you can always find people "UPGRADING" in this 
high-technological society. But usually, and i say usually, BETTER is 
more expensive. Obsolete is sometimes bad when you are supposed to be the 
leader in technilogical advancement.
 
/Doug/

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From: merlin@freeside.com (Merlin the Idiot Magi)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: TV glasses and VR
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 13:09:33 CST
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

  In a recent Newsweek, an invention was announced that should radically 
alter Homebrew-VR.  Someone has developed personal TVs in the form of 
glasses.  I am unsure what modifications would have to be made to convert 
these beauties to our use, but now that the tech exists, things can only 
get better.
   /// & ///

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: john@granada.mit.edu (John Olson)
Subject: Looking for Brenda Laurel
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:51:23 GMT

Brenda Laurel was quoted in a recent Mondo 2000 as a
researcher in VR; she wrote "The Art of Human-Computer
Interface Design" (Addison-Wesley, 1989) and "Computers
as Theatre" (Addison-Wesley, 1991).  Does anyone have
an internet address for Ms. Laurel, or any suggestions how
I could find such an address?

Please email any replies.  Thanks!

John Olson
john@segovia.mit.edu
From: merlin@freeside.com (Merlin the Idiot Magi)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: TV glasses and VR
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 17:06:44 CST
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

popec@freeside.com (PopeC) writes:


   [ conspicuous post by Merlin@freeside.com deleted]
> Depends on the interfaces.  For VR you need a left and a right channel to 
> really work right as each may be a little different.  If these glasses 
> have only one interface feeding two screens, this may be a problem.
> Converting a VGA display to NTSC isn't a real big trick.  There are 
> boards of the shwlf now that do that.
>   Once again, you need two boards, one left, one right to give you true 
> stereoscopic viewing.  
>   Hacking these things to work for true stereoscopic VR may be a bitch.
> Maybe they'll be smart on the Glasses and make a VR ready pair for VR 
> hackers.  
> 
> 
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     I have no idea how it works right now. I would hope that the thing 
is actually poorly engineered and does broadcast on two channels.  But, 
with our luck, the device will be just doubling the signal.  I hope that 
someone does come up with a stereoscopic version, though.  Imagine the 
uses if a large company bought out the device, sold them cheap in stereo 
form and low-power broadcast stereo TV on commuter vehicles.  Include 
sets on planes, allow their cheap purchase for subways, etc.  As more of 
the population bought tem, they could evetually get cable networks to 
begin broadcasting in stereo and develop a hookup for the galsses for 
that.  I do see posibilties...
  /// & ///

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From: hughmann@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Sketch please?       
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 13:09:35 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations
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JAB> I did some work this summer at the National Institutes of Health, where I
JAB>encountered an ongoing project at the Laboratory of Neural Control involvin
JAB>a blind woman who had 48 subcortical electrodes implanted in the visual
JAB>regions of the brain.  Interesting things:

        Fascinating!  Why did they connect the electrodes directly into
        the brain, instead of in the eyes?  (eyes seems safer...)
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: brenckle@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (BRENCKLE,NICHOLAS)
Subject: 3d and Obsolete
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Southern Connecticut State University - Computer Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:46:00 GMT

Interestingly enough, the guy at Sense 8 (His name escapes me now) was
originally programming his cyberworld on a c-64. I think his headset was
developed using an old PDP-8 and a few terminals linked to an Amiga. Hardly
state of the art.


But a note on 3-d vision. Binocular vision is only part of the reason we
see in 3 d. I have an interesting text file on obsolescence and virtual
reality I'll send up next time. Check out the book by Harlod Rheingold 
on VR and its uses. Very interesting reading.

-Nick
BRENCKLE@SCSUC.CTSTATEU.EDU
From: ibacon@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Ian Bacon)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
Subject: Re: Home Brew VR
Date: 5 Nov 1992 20:24:47 +0800
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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Where are these ftp sites that contain the Playhouse book info?


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: watpod72@alfred.carleton.ca (George Bragg)
Subject: Re: Home Brew VR
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:50:47 GMT

In <1db3qfINN5js@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> ibacon@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Ian Bacon) writes:


>Where are these ftp sites that contain the Playhouse book info?

karazm.math.uh.edu
sunee.uwaterloo.edu

and others.  Check out the FAQ file for sci.virtual-worlds.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial
From: gallen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Geoff Allen)
Subject: Women in CP/Industrial Culture?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 03:01:22 GMT


Just dawned on me - you people are some of the most open-minded I know
when it comes to technological issues/ implications on society, but how
come there are so few women participating in the Industrial and/or
Cyberpunk movements? Is there something inherently sexist about Cp that
I'm just missing? Same thing with industrial music; why do these genres
have so few women participating in them???


Just wondering...

Geoff Allen










Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: CyberPUNX, Documentary.
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:11:00 GMT

In article <robwil.721031702@well.sf.ca.us> robwil@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Wilson) writes:
>Using the term 'cyberpunk' to refer to anything but a short-lived science
>fiction literary movement of the eighties is a bad idea, anyway.  The term
>is so misused and over-used I'd rather it just disappear.  There are no
>cyberpunks and the internet isn't cyberspace (as I have heard it repeatedly
>called).


	I'd just like to point out that every idea expressed in this
paragraph is extremely arguable, to say the least; also, that whatever the
poster's preference, the term cyberpunk appears to be here to stay for at
least a while, to refer to a number of things, including that [perhaps not
so] "short-lived science fiction movement of the eighties."

	Also, I'd note that individual preferences about linguistic usage
don't matter much--cultures adopt words people find useful.
-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
		"The Reptoids eat humans like we eat chickens."
				Alex Alexander
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: steinarb@idt.unit.no (Steinar Bang)
Subject: Re: Neuromancer dream-cast and soundtrack
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology, Trondheim, Norway
Date: 13 Nov 92 09:48:13

>>>>> sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson) writes:

> The girl who played Nikita in La Femme Nikita as
> Molly--assuming she can speak English well enough to offset the
> "Depardieu Syndrome" that rendered _1492_ almost unwatchable.

Jeez! To think that people are actually *wondering* why "Mad Max" was
dubbed with American voices when released in the US...:-)

Her name, BTW, is Anne Parillaud.

- Steinar

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From: kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial
Subject: Re: Women in CP/Industrial Culture?
Date: 9 Nov 1992 23:21:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy)
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In a previous article, gallen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Geoff Allen) says:

>
>Just dawned on me - you people are some of the most open-minded I know
>when it comes to technological issues/ implications on society, but how
>come there are so few women participating in the Industrial and/or
>Cyberpunk movements? Is there something inherently sexist about Cp that
>I'm just missing? Same thing with industrial music; why do these genres
>have so few women participating in them???
	For a discussion on this, go read the "HEY YOU MORONS!"
	thread on alt.cyberpunk.tech, if you can. It should mostly
	still be there. If you *really* want me to get back into the
	explanation over here, I will. :)

Kitten
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
From: dan@conexch.uucp (Dan Mahoney)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:20:04 GMT
Organization: The Consultants' Exchange, Orange County, CA.  (714) 842-6348
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Question - Why is this thread in this newsgroup?

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: neilg@fraser.sfu.ca (Neil K. Guy)
Subject: Re: William Gibsonesque character names
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:05:32 GMT

miodeen@buddha.ncc.umn.edu (Mike Odeen) writes:

>Hey Tom...

>You've mentioned a couple of times that you contributed the name "Jerry Quine"
>to _Neuromancer_.

 On the subject of which:

 "I know Quine, by the way. Real asshole."

 - Molly, _Neuromancer_, Chapter 3.

 Yeah, and for what it's worth, I think Jerry sounds better. After all
he's got another "Bobby" later on. It's like he uses the name "Sally"
in three places also.

 On the subject of William Gibson character names, I think he lifted a
bunch of names off street signs in the Lower Mainland of British
Columbia. Since he lives here (Vancouver) he's probably seen some of
the names while driving by... Here are a few I've stumbled across.
Most are probably just coincidences (particularly common first names)
but some are unusual enough to be more than coincidental. If you care
enough to know where the names appear, go reread the books. Don't ask
me.

 Acheson Road, Richmond.	Allison Road, Vancouver.
 Bevan Street, Burnaby.		Cathay Road, Richmond.
 Compton Court, Coquitlam.	Colin Place, Coquitlam.
 Fraser (river that runs through the Lower Mainland)
 Henry Street, Vancouver.	Kanaka Creek Road, Maple Ridge.
 Ludgate Road, Richmond.	Mona Avenue, Burnaby.
 Parker Street, Vancouver.	Piper Avenue, Burnaby.
 Prior Street, Vancouver.	Stanley Street, Burnaby.
 Turner Street, Vancouver.	Webber Avenue, Vancouver.

 Then there are a bunch of names which haven't really appeared in
Gibson stories, but probably should:

 Chrome Crescent, Coquitlam.	Electronic Street, Port Moody.
 Elevator Road, Surrey.		Industrial Avenue, Vancouver.
 Lazy "A" Street, Coquitlam.	Terminal Avenue, Vancouver.

 Can you spell "procrastinating?" Yes, I thought you could!

 - Neil K. (n_k_guy@sfu.ca)
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From: salem@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Bruce Salem)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Date: 10 Nov 1992 04:10:01 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov9.044003.25837@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> sgreever@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Greever) writes:
>(Disclaimer - these are fully my own opinios - I mean nobody no harm)

	You mean no harm, but be aware of history -- the history of
accociations, of ideologies, and of precidents. Many people will just
react as if the precident you urge is tainted, and it is.

>The more I look at people's postings about the problems of the world in our
>Industrial Society, I keep thinking, perhaps we have forgotten the
>techings of Jesus.  We must recognize Jesus as our true savior as always
>to lead us into the divine light of revelation.

	Oh, but what has been done in HIS name? What horrors? How can
you clense his name and allow for us to see Him anew? Isn't this advise
just not to be trusted because of the people who abuse it? And how do
we know that you are not one of the abusers, cnsidering the folowing:

>  Yet what do you people 
               ^^^
		note the accusitive
>practice: Ugliness, Deviance, Delinquency.

	Aye, and how do we know that you are free of and have never done
any of these, as if calling them by name defines them; it doesn't.

>  Jesus can show you all your
>true path in life, and then maybe you can all co-operate and be friendly
>with each other in industry.
>
>If we each followed the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have
>them do unto you", 

	A fine rule, if you really apply it. Look at what other people
do from their point of view and teach them empathy, yes, but do so by
example, not by prescription. The mistake most Christians make is to
dictate moral prescription without any indication that they live the
example. Oh yes, a few do, but very few.

	If you wish to clean someone else's house, be sure that your's
is spotless, first.

Bruce Salem
From: wg2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott Gregory)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: nyx.du.edu
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:33:12 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


    O.K., I am now starting to really believe the heretofore mentioned
theory that the people at nyx.du.edu are largely one person trying to
pull our collective legs.  We've got preachers & militant feminists,
we've got all kinds of extremist crazies popping up from
nowhere....oops, not nowhere --nyx.du.edu.

    Any of you real people who use this machine ever seen any of these folks?

-Scott
From: parsogd@wkuvx1.bitnet (Geoffrey Parsons, WKU)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk Anime
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:04:48 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <Bx7I8w.107@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, cwf50862@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Virtual Benedicta) writes:
> Midnight eye goku is about one of the best cyber-anime I've seen, akira is also
> excellent, but is not to cyber-related.

  First off, Midnight eye is more like the superhero genre then
cyberpunk. The cyberpole thing (in goku) is really goofie. They really should
have left it out. Also, Goku's eye is way too powerful and doesn't seem
to fit into the cyberpunk genre. It's more like an alien computer or
something.

  Second, Akira is cyberpunk. Not hard boiled CP, but nevertheless it
features many CP theams (downfall of society, effects of technology on
man kind and it's abuses and drugs.)

  Just because a movie/ova doesn't have cybertech doesn't mean it's
not cyberpunk. Biotech can also be used as a cyberpunk catalyst. This
was done in Wetware. Silicon doesn't have to be the media of choice.

Kaizen'em!
Geoffrey Parsons
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