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From: swota@cs.albany.edu (Judith A Swota)
Subject: Re: New moria Addict
Originator: swota@karp.albany.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department, SUNY at Albany, Albany, NY 12222
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:07:20 GMT

In posting <...> Unknown@plains.NoDak.edu wrote:


> In article <1992Aug26.154347.1@ualr.edu> ajsmith@ualr.edu writes:
> >	1) Where do I see the Balrog, 
> 
> not for a while, I think around 2000 ft.
> 
Actually, I thought the Balrog doesn't start routinely showing up until 
2500ft.

> >
> >	2) Where do I start seeing holy avengers.
> 
> I found a katana (HA) and a dagger (DF) in the shop with a brand new 
> character, and later in the game, a war hammer (HA) at 500 ft, and a
> foil (DF) at 600 ft.
> 
I've had similar experiences.  The probability of finding these great
weapons increases as you descend, but they can be found at any level.
(I just HATE seeing something great in one of the shops when I'm way too
poor to ever afford it!  I HAVE hung around town killing off Mercenaries
and Drunks to get $$$ to buy stuff sometimes, but when the difference
between what you have and what you need in 20,000 or 30,000 Au, it's
gonna take an awful long time.)

> >
> >	3) What is the  most awesome Staff/wand out there for laying 
> >	monsters low.
> 
> The wand of Drain Life, for not-undead critters, and probably Staff of 
> Dispell Evil for the rest.
> 
I thought the Drain Life actually worked on anything because it's
actually draining Experience and hence Hit Points, and it doesn't really
matter whether the creature is technically an "undead" without true
"life".  Someone please correct me if I'm wrong... (and isn't the
Priest's Orb of Draining just a built-in Drain Life?  I'm playing a
Priest right now, and I'm sure the Orb kills everything it's aimed at.)

> >
> >	The best I got so far is a wand of Lightning Balls (ZAP)
> >
> 
The biggest problem with Lightening, Acid, Frost and Flame is that they
all destroy other stuff besides the critters.  When I played a Mage, I
usually killed things with Fire Bolts, and when I got the spell, with
Fire Balls, but that routinely burned up weapons and scrolls that the
critters left behind when they died.  I'd see a bunch of stuff for a
moment before the ***'s cleared from my bolt, and then what would be
left would be one piece of metal armor and a sword.  Similarly, Frost
destroys potions, which was a real bummer when I was trying to increase
my Stats.  The Drain Life and Dispel Evil kill ONLY the monsters, and
leave their treasure troves alone.  (BTW, Displel Evil obviously works
only on Evil things, so doesn't help against the toughest natural
creatures like Iridescent Beetles and Giant Purple Worms or toughs like
Sorcerors who can call up multiple nasties to fight you.  By the time
you get the level where you have to deal with these, though, you're
usually geared toward dealing with dragons, so they're more of an
annoyance rather than a real danger.)


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Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
From: svenema@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Sven Venema)
Subject: Re: Stats, stats and more stats....
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 15:15:50 GMT

10563563@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ARTHUR GIANNAKIS) writes:

>By playing Amiga Moria V3.00 I've experienced first hand what it's like to 
>have statistics past 18/100. By the help of increase stat potions I've 
>managed to get my strength up to 19/33 and my dexterity up to 19/02 and all 
>my others well into the 18's. The thing is, when does it stop? I mean can I 
>increase my stats well past 19, 20 even 21!?!? I'm slightly confused 'cause 
>I'm used to 18/100 being the highest until I started playing this version
>and if anyone can shed some light on the matter it would be much appreciated.

Well, the version I've got goes up to 20 (I think it does go higher than that,
but it doesn't give you any extra bonuses after 20...). I wouldn't have a 
clue as to what version I've got.

By the way, where can I get Amiga Moria V3.00?

regards,
Sven Venema
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From: c8944257@cc.newcastle.edu.au
Subject: Re: Shrooms of Restoring
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:31:47 GMT

In article <QecKC0K00awRQ4=kRE@andrew.cmu.edu>, Dylan Sawyer-Villers <ds8t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> What do mushrooms of restoring do?
> 
> Ring of lordly protection (fire) +5?
> 
> 
> thanx
> 
> dylan
> 
> ps.  30th level ranger, and still no ego weapon
> ************************
> The Number you have reached is imaginary.
> Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again.

	The mushroom of restoring is to restore any of your stats that have
been drained, life levels not included.
	Ring of lordly protection (fire) +5 means it protect you from fire ...
I can't remember the percentage though and the +5 is for AC.

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From: mjb@acsu.buffalo.edu (Matthew J. Bernhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.games.moria
Subject: Re: AMHD let-down
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:15:47 GMT
Organization: UB

scot@jlc.mv.com (Scot Salmon) writes:

>  Just wait till I get breathed on, right? I know, I know. So now I'm level
>33 with no more tough monsters to kill until the Balrog? I hope not. Somebody
>tell me there's SOMETHING between the AMHD and the B for me to kill, or
>this is going to be a very boring four levels (level 37 seems popular for B).

	It's called the Evil Iggy.
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From: ripley@cs.tu-berlin.de (Hans-Ch. Eckert)
Subject: Re: Shovel vs. Stone-to-Mud
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:29:51 GMT

In article <tlty6w+@rpi.edu> petitc@vccsouth03.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit) writes:

     Does a Shovel (e.g. something with Digging) do extra damage to anything that
   can be hurt by Stone-to-Mud?  I don't think so, but it makes sense if it did.
   Would give me something to do with all those extra Enchant Weapon scrolls.

I don't think so, but my pick is fully enchanted, anyway.  You don't
want to lose a move due to having to wield your other weapon when
you're surprised while digging, do you ?  ;-)

Having a bastard sword (DF) (3d4) (+9,+9) [+8] [+sth to stealth] and a
Pick (1d3) (+9,+9) (+4)...

				Ripley
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From: raf50@JUTS.amail.amdahl.com (Richard A Frankel)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Palmered hackle?
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:17:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corp.
In-reply-to: dudley.chi@xerox.com's message of 26 Aug 92 13:19:12 GMT

dudley.chi@xerox.com (Tim Dudley) writes:

> Can somebody please explain the phrase "palmer the hackle"

Palmering hackle is simply winding a hackle feather the length of the
fly body, instead of just around the head.

Good examples of palmered flies are woolly buggers/worms.

Note that palmering requires an above average quality feather (long
usable section with even length barbs.)

rick
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From: Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Include State In Postings????
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 14:21:52 EDT
Organization: Pediatric Surgery, U of Michigan
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b2

In article <08j-S8@engin.umich.edu> Robert Drongowski,
Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu writes: Should have wrote:

	Fellow Fisherpersons:
	Just a note on an aspect of the rec.outdoors.fishing group which I would
find beneficial.  Could people include the *STATE* or *COUNTRY* relating
to their posts (ie. in which *STATE* they were fishing).  THis is not
always clear when reading a particular post.
	The benefits to myself are two-fold:
	1.  In a recent article concerning the W. Branch of the Ausable River
Tim Dudley.states...
	I assume the river is in New York since Lake Placid is mentioned in the
post.  However, there is a famous Ausable River with a West Branch in
Michigan famous for TROUT, and their may be other Ausables in the country
(world).
	2.  If someone catches a 5 lb bass in Minnesota, that is a considerable
acheivement compared to catching a 5 lb bass in Florida.  Also, the same
holds true for many species of fish in many parts of the country.  A 17
inch Brown Trout caught on a pier in Lake Michigan is quite small since
Browns over 15 pounds are often caught.  However, that 17 inch Brown on
some inland stream in Maine or Mass. is quite an achievement.
	Do other people share my view on this??
BOB DRONGOWSKI--"ICE FISHING IS REALLY A MISNOMER, MOST OF THE TIME"  The
Polish Fisherman
Ann Arbor, Michigan
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: Tim Dudley <dudley.chi@xerox.com>
Subject: Sage Guarantee
Organization: bnr
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b3
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:30:07 GMT

In article <Sep03.001647.47860@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> wayne trzyna,
trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU writes:

>Does anybody know what the Sage policy is on replacing broken fly
>rod tips under warranty?  Will they replace it regardless of how
>much stupidity was involved in breaking it?

Aw, c'mon, Wayne!  Tell us what you did...

Tim
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From: jmc@emba-news.uvm.edu.UUCP (John Connors)
Subject: Re: Bream (bluegill) eating
Originator: jmc@newton.emba.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:02:12 GMT

From article <1992Sep2.175236.7154@uwm.edu>, by sarty@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Jay A. DeSart):
> question is, what works?  As best as I can remember when I last fished for
> perch was that we fished minnows just off the bottom of a small lake in
> Northern Minnesota, with excellent results.  How would my approach differ
> this time around?
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jay A. DeSart            
> Dept of Political Science                Todays task:  Flounder in a sea of
> Bolton 635  UW-Milwaukee                        despair just for the halibut.
> (414) 229-5331
> 

I took some friends out fishing two weekends ago.  One of the these 
intrepid anglers was a 5 year old boy.  I rigged him up with a worm and
a bobber on a Zebco outfit.  He caught the largest perch I have ever 
seen caught in person, 12 3/4"  I thought it was a bass at first.  
Simple techniques work best up here.  Legend has it that perch throw
themselves on bare hooks until they impale themselves. :-)

Good fun on a fly rod!  Wooly Worms, hare's ear worms, small wet fles...

JC in VT
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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: jon@unislc.uucp (Jon Bork)
Subject: Trip report: Nootka Island
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:31:14 GMT

I just got back from a great salmon fishing trip to
Nootka Island and thought I'd share it with you.

Nootka Island is about half way up the west coast
of Vancouver Island in British Columbia, Canada.
We flew there from Seattle by floatplane with a 
quick stop in Naniamo, B.C. to clear customs.

The lodge (called Nootka Island Fish Camp) is
run by the Cyr family and sleeps up to 16 guests
at a time. They have built a really nice lodge
and are great people. They have 8 open boats,
all guided with all gear supplied (including
foul weather gear)

The weather was pretty good. We had two days
of great weather (as in almost shorts and 
t-shirts!), two days cool and cloudy and
one day of rain.

What's that? You want to hear about fishing?
O.K., O.K.!

We were fishing for King and Coho Salmon,
the Kings were running 14 to 35 lbs and the
Cohos 8 to 15lbs. We were using 4 and 5
inch silver plugs hanging from a outrigger
at about 25 to 35 ft deep, while trolling.

The hookups were different that I'm used
to, usually in salmon river fishing, when
you get a bite, you do your best to 
"rip their lips off" setting the hook.
We were told that at this time of the 
season, the fish were barely biting the
lure, so a hard setting motion would 
miss the fish. As a result, you would get
a bite, hold firm on the rod and then 
keep constant tension to play the fish.

We landed one 31 lbs fish in which the
hook fell out of the fish's mouth as
we netted it.

We alternated hot and cold. We'd fish
all morning and only get one or two
hookups and then go back out that
evening and land 4 or 5 Kings, and
have 2 or 3 more hookups besides.

The action was great. The fish were 
great fighters, requiring sometimes
up to 15 to 20 minutes to play them
to the boat.

The possession limit in Canada is
4 Kings and 4 Cohos, we brought
out 11 Kings and 2 Cohos altogether
(there were 3 of us.) The King run
was almost over, but everyone was
still waiting for the last run of
Northern Coho to come through.

The biggest King landed was about 35 lbs while we
were there. The record this summer was ing the
low 50's, set as usual in the 2nd or 3rd
week of July.

A great trip and I'd recommend it to
anyone who loves to fight a good fish and
likes a quiet, restful wilderness vacation.



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From: frankb@chip.tek.com (Frank Borden  436)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Changing Lines in a tube...
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:21:08 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

>Just after pulling the reel out, I usually pull out some line.   I did
>drop my reel once in Crane Prairie (Oregon), but managed to grab the
>tailing line - if the tailing line is floating line, even better.  Without
>the drag tightened up however, I had to hand retrieve ~100 feet of line
>before surfacing the reel.
>
>Thomas Gilg
>tomg@cv.hp.com

Well if you drop your reel into Crane Prairie in the near future
you can just reach down and grab it. The water can't be more than 5 ft.
deep this late in the summer during a drought year. The fish probably
feel like their in a hot tub!
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: art@world.std.com (Al Thompson)
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:58:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.170759.28760@mcnc.org> kevins@mcnc.org (Kevin Siefering) writes:


   >>Me, after a week on Lower Saranac Lake

   >	BASS:  A slow lazy fish chased by people in floating Corvetts.

   I can't understand this.  We have one vein going in which trout are
   claimed to be superior to bass and another vein going regarding catching
   trout while CHUMMING WITH CORN!!!  A fish has got to be pretty stupid
   to go for that!  (I reallize that these are probably hatchery fish
   and that a REAL trout would NEVER go for CORN ;-)  

When I lived out west I was taught the best way to catch trout was to cut
a small strip of red rubber baloon and attach it to a hook.  The fish
went wild.  Why?  Because in the hatchery they were fed liver strips
which looked just like a piece of red baloon.  Sheesh, never met a
largemouth that stupid.

   Whoever said bass are slow??? I've tried to chase them while snorkeling
   with flippers.  They can move many times faster than I can!  And Lazy?
   During the hot summer months bass slow down a lot, I agree.  But
   during peak seasons they are highly active, sometimes moving over
   large ranges and chasing prey with ferocity.  

I agree with most of this, but the ranging business I'm not so sure
about.  Most of the fisheries biologists tell me the rarely catch bass in
set nets.  The reason?  The bass are highly territorial and don't move
around a great deal.  That's why if you catch a bass in one spot go back
in a few days.  There'll be another one.  A five pound bass hole is a
five pound bass hole.  When the original owner moves out another will
move in.

   I would also contend that bass are just as smart.

Moreso, see above.  It took me twenty seven years to learn to catch bass
and about twenty seven minutes to learn to catch troutses.

  One piece of evidence . . .
   In a good 18 years of bass fishing I have NEVER seen a bass hit a lure
   with even a small shred of weed on it.  They know that natural things
   simply don't haul weeds around and won't hit anything with weeds
   on it.

   And fishing for bass is everybit as much of an art as trout fishing 
   in my book.  Consistently catching bass requires the same levels
   of skill, knowledge, and patience.  Using the right lure, in the
   right color, at the right time, with the right presentation, in the
   right spot is just as difficult for bass as trout.  And who ever said 
   that a flyrod is somehow naturally superior to a modern baitcasting outfit?  

   Now, I'll be the first one to agree that some bass fishermen can be
   extremely annoying with their high powered boats.  But please don't
   slam the fish itself.  

Agreed!

   Bass men unite!  We don't have to put up with trout fisher snobbery
   anymore!  

Here we are LaFayette.  Where do we report?
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Kites and Fishing
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:17:25 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1Ym-dq@engin.umich.edu> Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu (Robert Drongowski) writes:
>
>	This is a serious post, and not misdirected from Rec.Outdoors.Kites.
>I am a very serious fisherman, who fishes for perch, bluegill, trout,
>salmon, walleye, carp, bass etc routinely.
>	However, if you have experienced one of those weeks (months, years)
>during which you have been *skunked* and miss the feel of a large fish
>try the following:
>Hook a large kite up to a snap-swivel (30lbs test rated), connect to at
>least 25lb monofilament and use an open-face spinning reel with a very
>stiff-action rod (like those used for King Salmon, ie 'thick-as-a-broom
>handle'.  Pick a windy, blustery day and fly it!!
>	My wife is a kid at heart and always drags me out to help her fly the
>D#@n thing.  I tried using the fish rod technique and had a blast.  Not
>as good as catching the real thing, but you'll be surprised if you try
>it.  By setting the drag just right, I could even make the thing run.

When I began reading this, I thought you were going to propose some
devious scheme for getting extra casting distance.


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From: jmd@kastle (John M. Danskin)
Subject: Re:  Making Lures (was Palmered hackle?)
Organization: Princeton University CS Department, Princeton NJ
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:29:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.123759@ratchet.Prime.COM> kosicki@ratchet.Prime.COM (Bernie Kosicki) writes:
>Ken Brook writes ...  "Seems you have to use wire leaders cause of sharp 
>teeth and gill covers.  Has anyone tried the combination of light fly 
>tackle and wire leaders?  Seems like the combo would be too heavy & stiff 
>to use. "
>


I have not tried this but, Al McLane writes that he uses wire leaders when
spincasting, but when he is flyfishing for sharp nasties, he uses 50# test
*hard finish* mono. This doesn't screw up the line balance so much, at a slight
increase in the risk of having your line cut.

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From: jmc@emba-news.uvm.edu.UUCP (John Connors)
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout
Originator: jmc@newton.emba.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:23:57 GMT

From article <1992Aug26.170759.28760@mcnc.org>, by kevins@mcnc.org (Kevin Siefering):
> 
> And fishing for bass is everybit as much of an art as trout fishing 
> in my book.  Consistently catching bass requires the same levels
> of skill, knowledge, and patience.  Using the right lure, in the
> right color, at the right time, with the right presentation, in the
> right spot is just as difficult for bass as trout.  And who ever said 
> that a flyrod is somehow naturally superior to a modern baitcasting outfit?  
> 

When I go bass fishing here in Vermont, (Home of Orvis, BattenKill River,
Lee Wulff, and many,many wiley browns, brookies, and rainbows) I take my 
spinning gear and my flyrod.  I love topwater bass bug fly rod action, but
I also know that sometimes a spinnerbait or plastic worm is the only lure 
that will catch the bass that day.  I catch quite a few bass from my 
little canoe with a 3.5HP outboard.  One of the best things about fly 
rodding is catching fish on a fly that you tied.  Even though I would 
love a nice bass boat (I like the semi-Vee Trackers), they are still
out of my price range.  Spinning gear is best when fishing in small
groups on small boats.  I can't imagine three flycasters in my canoe.
I have had three burly men and a young boy catching bass in my 17ft
canoe.  

Are trout a superior fish?  Yeah, right...I catch perch bigger than
the average brook trout.  The most productive lure in Vermont for
catching trout is still a hook with a nightcrawler on it.  You 
certainly do not need a >$600 Sage Fly Rod to catch a trout.  :-)
Trout fishing...I bring an ultralight spinning outfit and a 5wt Sage.
Adds a little variety and I can adjust to the changing conditions...
you know how New England weather is...

In summary, trout and bass are both great gamefish especially if you can
fish for both in the same day and without having to lay out a bunch of 
cash.  

John M. Connors
Bass, Pike, and Trout Stalker
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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: shan@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Val Shanahan)
Subject: Re: Changing Lines in a tube...
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:03:28 GMT


Why would you want to change line after you have gone out on the lake ?
It seems that it would be easier to put new line (if you need it) on 
BEFORE you go out.  Maybe I'm about to find out how little I really know
about fishing, but I have never seen anyone switch line in a reel in the
middle of fishing unless they ran out or the line was too old to use.

Val

And yes, I DO fish from a tube and everything can be awkward at times.
From: kosicki@ratchet.Prime.COM (Bernie Kosicki)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re:  Making Lures (was Palmered hackle?)
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:37:59 GMT
Reply-To: kosicki@ratchet.Prime.COM (Bernie Kosicki)
Organization: Prime Computer R&D

Ken Brook writes ...  "Seems you have to use wire leaders cause of sharp 
teeth and gill covers.  Has anyone tried the combination of light fly 
tackle and wire leaders?  Seems like the combo would be too heavy & stiff 
to use. "

I have some hooks I use for sufcasting for Bluefish with Bait.  They are
large hooks with a short wire leader tiesd directly to them.  The leader
is connected in such a way that it may pivot freely.  The leader is
about 4 inches long.  I think if you tried using this type of a hook,
that you could fly cast it successfully.

...OR...

What about just getting the hooks you want and tying on some really
heavy mono leaders (like 30 lb test)?

Good luck, have fun.

Bernie Kosicki
kosicki@s35.Prime.com  (or is it Computervision now?)