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From: weinhous@roentgen.RadOnc.Duke.EDU (Marty Weinhous)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Fujitsu 520MB Drive in Modular Mac?
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:39:56 GMT
Organization: Radiation Oncology, Hahnemann U, Phil PA, 215/448-8616

In article <1992Sep29.162642.26750@delfin.com> mark@delfin.com writes:
>Has anyone used a Fujitsu 520MB drive as a modular Mac (i.e. si, ci, q700)
>internal drive? Is overheating a problem?

I've been using the Fujitsu 520MB drive in my Mac IIci for about six
months without any problem at all. It's fast!

-- 

 Marty Weinhous, Ph.D.			weinhous@radonc.hahnemann.edu
 Radiation Oncology, Hahnemann U.
 Philadelphia, PA 19102,		215/762-8616
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu (David Manning)
Subject: Re: Suitcase 2.1.1 and 32 bit addressing
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:49:14 GMT

Bjorn.Ness@usit.uio.no (Bjorn Ness) writes:

>Suitcase II v 2.1.1 causes applications to crash on my Mac IIfx 
>when 32 bit addressing is turned on. Everything works fine 
>without Suitcase II.

>System software: System 7.0 with System Tuneup 1.1.1

>Any suggestions?

If you are using Adobe Type Manager, you MUST have version 2.0.3 in order to 
work with Suitcase and 32-bit addressing. What version are you using?

Dave
--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: dnsurber@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (Douglas N. Surber)
Subject: Re: Lets Just Steal 7.1!
Organization: Lockheed Engineering and Sciences
Date:  5 Oct 92 16:56:06 GMT

In <1992Oct02.013206.42967@bmug.org> Steve_Costa@bmug.org writes:

>(Free system software.  I've already given them the arms and legs. Lower
>prices on Macs doesn't do anything for me at this point.)

>You say that now but what will you say in a couple of years. When you
>have walked about away with a Power PC for $1800 that is faster than a
>Quadra 700......Are still going to complain about paying $30 for System
>Software. When Apple has dropped the price on machines equivalent to
>more money than you ever would have spent on System Software in your
>lifetime. In general, I just don't think in these times you are going to
>have inexpensive hardware and free System Software. Time change.

I agree with you 100%.  When Apple comes out with a new family of machines
and we all have to start over again at ground zero, fine.  If they want
to change the level of support they will provide the users of the new
machines, that is their call.  But Apple made certain committments to
people who bought Macs in the past and one of those committments was
free system software _for_ _the_ _Mac_.  New machine, new customer base,
new committments.

Neither you nor Apple should assume that my next machine will be an
Apple anything.  I use a Motif Unix box at work and it's pretty ok.
With X11R6 and Motif 2.0 and OSF/1, you might have a useable machine.  As
much as I hate Microsoft, the quality of their apps is good and getting
better.  Maybe Windows NT will be a better choice . . . pretty much the
same apps and dirt cheap hardware.  Or maybe a Next, or whatever.

I have already bought (although not necessarily paid for :) ) my Macs.
Apple has already promised me free system software. Events in the future
that will not affect me don't compensate for breaking promises made in
the past.

Douglas Surber
Lockheed
Houston, TX

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: victor@ucme.Berkeley.EDU (Victor Wang)
Subject: [NEED HELP] Type of the Cable??
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:40:24 GMT

Hi Folks, does anyone know what kind of the cable that I need to conect the VCR or a normal CD player to the Mac while I am using the software-Media Maker.
Please email me if you knows, thanks!

-Andy Chien
victor@ucme.berkeley.edu
From: drew@netcom.com (Drew Wade)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: System without Finder?
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:26:36 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

this isn't quite what you were asking(boot floppy without finder),
but maybe some readers of the subject line wanted to hear this (runtime
operation of mac without finder), so here it is:  get anti-finder (i believe
it's on sumex).  launch it and it replaces finder.  result:  saved memory.
anti-finder has only one command:  quit, which restore the normal finder.
note that without finder you have no desktop functionality, including drag/copy
and launch, but if you have another launch (e.g., i have quickeys) capability
and if you sometimes have memory limitatins (sigh, i have only 4MB on
my pb170...and with today's programs...and 2.5MB system...)...

other utilities such as killfinder don't seem to do it for me:  unless
there's another program active already, killfinder will kill and then restart
the finder, saving no space.  if another program is active, it will kill the
finder, but the saved space is now a fragemented hole between the system and
the active program...hard to get much use out of...

-drew@netcom.com

In article <92272.031039TOGE@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Nobukazu Toge <TOGE@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
>OK, I'd follow it up myself.  Thanks to "D.J." hagbert@ccit.arizona.edu and
>John McGinnis mcginnis-john@cs.yale.edu.  For the following info.
>
>    A trick to make a bootable floppy without Finder is to rename the
>    application that I want to launch on boot as "Finder".
>
>This I did a moment ago, and it works just fine.
>D.J. and John also mentioned that another possibility is to edit the
>disk boot block and re-specify the program to launch on boot there.
>
>- Nobu Toge (ex-SLAC, now-KEK)
From: s3007904@MACKAY.MPCE.MQ.EDU.AU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: need a SAM manual
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:57:54 GMT



Help.

	I am having problems trying to figure out how to work SAM 
the mac virus detecter. I am looking for a manual or some documentation
so I can figure out how to use I properly. Can some one Tell me were I 
can email for the proper documentation. I can't seem to find my 
documentation.
From: Jim.Matthews@dartmouth.edu (Jim Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Fetch on a Quadra
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:59:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Sep29.145924.27054
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Stuart R. Harper writes
> 
> 	Our lab has recently aquire a couple new Quadra 700s. Being  
Internet addicts,
> we assumed that the faster machine would allow at least slightly faster  
UL/DL
> times using Fetch but we seem to get MUCH slower transfer (in the  
4000-600
> byte/sec range) on the Quadras with 20 MB of RAM as opposed to the  
MacIIx s we
> use with 5 MB of RAM (10000-12000 bytes/sec).
> 
>   What gives?

Beats me -- I also recently upgraded from a Mac II (a IIcx in my case) to  
a Q700, and I haven't seen this.  A faster machine often does speed up  
Fetch, since in some cases (notably when you're debinhexing and  
unstuffing) Fetch is CPU-bound on fast networks.  I think you might want  
to take a look at your network with a packet monitor; you may find a high  
rate of errors, and at least you should be able to see which side of the  
transfer is doing the waiting.

Jim Matthews
Fetch Author, Dartmouth Software Development
Fetch has no connection to "Aldus Fetch"
From: houlejm@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Jean-Marie Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Eudora problem
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:51:06 GMT
Organization: Institut de Recherche d'Hydro-Quebec
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

In article <717410849.5719@minster.york.ac.uk>, you write:
>I wonder if anyone can help with the following Eudora problem which
>I encountered upon trying to link a Mac to the ethernet via a NuvoLink
>box.
>
>Whenever check mail is chosen and the correct password entered, Eudora
>contacts the POP server and logs into it and then produces the following
>message.
>
>"There has been an error transferring your mail
> I said
>	PASS
> and then the POP server said
>	-ERR Password supplied for 'username' is incorrect"
>
>Note that the usual error message for an incorrect password is
>"Invalid POP account or password".
>
>The machine is a Mac Classic II running System 7.0.1 with a NuvoLink SC
box
>connecting it to ethernet.
>The mail software is  Eudora1.3b34 and is using MacTCP as its network
>connection.
>
>Sending mail, file sharing, printing and telnet all work although one of
>the loopback tests on the NuvoLink box fails intermittently which I'm
>told by the distributor is unlikely to cause any problems.
>
>Since this is the first NuvoLink box in the department, I do not know
>whether this is actually a software or hardware problem.
>
>			John Firth


I have seen this problem a few times. It seems to happen if a problem
occurs while transferring mail. It looks like a lock is not removed in
the mail server.

To correct the problem, log onto the mail server with telnet and remove
the file "/var/spool/mail/.username". You may have to ask the superuser
to do it for you and the location of the file may vary with systems. I
have never lost mail by doing so.

--
Jean-Marie Houle                                  houlejm@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec              Tel (514) 652-8083
1800 Mtee Ste Julie                               Fax (514) 652-8435
Varennes, Quebec
Canada, J3X 1S1
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: hshubs@eff.org (Howard Shubs)
Subject: Re: Backups --- How to make them ?
Originator: hshubs@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:47:37 GMT

ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET writes:

[deleted]

>My Question: Is there a backup programm for the Mac that runs on different
>Macintosh models (IIsi and LC would be ok for the moment) and under System 6
>and 7? Or is that the price one has to pay for working on individual machines
>instead of identical clones?

Yup.  I use DiskFit Pro.  It runs just fine on my SE under S7, and I
understand that it works on earlier versions of the system too.  It's
good for backing up to floppy disks.  The same company (Dantz) has
another product called Retrospect for backing up to tape.  From what
I hear, it does pretty much everything that DiskFit Pro doesn't, and
it's intended for archival backup.

I can't speak for Retrospect, never having used it.  However, I've
been using DiskFit Pro since it was just DiskFit, and I like it.  It'll
re-use disks.  It'll delete old versions of a file and write the newest
one to the backup.  It keeps the files on the floppies such that you
can copy them elsewhere (if you need to) using the Finder.  I've had
a few problems in the past with it: I keep two groups of diskettes to
back up my hard disk, and I alternate between them to back up the device.
When I reformatted my disk to the newer method, I found that after I'd
restored the device with the (then) latest backup (that I'd made just
before reformatting), that the program "forgot" the other group of
disks.  I had to remind it about them, and that meant rescanning all
of ~100 disks in the set.  Bleh.

I spoke with someone at Dantz, suggesting that they keep information
about each save set in separate files and back one set's file up in
the other save sets.  From the release notes in the latest update of
DFP, they seem to have done something in this vein.  I've not had to
reformat my disk since though, so I've not tested it.

There's also a network version, but I've not used it.

I really like DiskFit Pro.  No, I'm not associated with the company,
either.  <grin>
-- 
Howard S Shubs      hshubs@eff.org            I don't represent the EFF,
The Denim Adept     hshubs@denim.bcs.org      but I do agree with them.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Distribution: world
From: Steve_Costa@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 02:01:49 PDT
Subject: Re: Lets Just Steal 7.1!

(It's unfortunate that a user group director forgets how many people
*have* paid an arm and a leg for their Macintoshes. Your last pair of
questions, Steve, is valid for a first-time buyer, but for no one else.)


I just tend to look at things from  both sides. I just can't see Apple
being totally in the wrong for doing what every other company that has a
world class supported operating system does....Sell their operating
system...I would rather System Software to be free or almost free. It
helps BMUG, it helps end-users. But I can't see how Apple's change in
policy will hurt Mac sales or end users in the long run. I would bet
that more people upgrade to System 7.1 than System 7.0. if only because
it will be easier to get. With most Mac mail order companies selling
System Software more people will upgrade. Many more. Also I should point
out that according to Apple, more people brought System 7 from dealers
and from Apple than from users groups from from on-line services. They
got one free tech support,a good manuals......I haven't forgotten that
that many people paid quite a bit for their Macs. Nor have I forgotten
that most of them have had free System Software since the Mac came
out.That was when my 128k Mac cost $2400. Which I'm sure part of that
price was System Software.I also know that out of the 6.8 million
Macintoshes out there now most of them both their Macs for for cheaper
than I did. And in a few years most Mac owners will think it the norm to
pay something for their System Software updates.  This whole issue is
far more complex than I've seen talked about here......If i can see both
side if this issue I'm surprised that more people haven't been able to
as well.

Steve Costa
BMUG
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From: mfx@cs.tu-berlin.de (Markus Freericks)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: "Why I hate System 7..."
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:12:30 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany

In article <sulkanen.717773444@xanth> sulkanen@xanth.msfc.nasa.gov (Martin Sulkanen - NRC/ES65) writes:
   arno@apple.com (Arno Gourdol) writes:

   >I would like to hear the voices of those of you who HATE System 7.
   >Not those of you that do use it because you think its advantages
   >(FileSharing, 
   >Aliases, New Finder, Configurable Apple Menu, Inteligent System Folder,
   >more robust, Baloon Help, Publish/Suscribe, AppleEvents, ...) outweights
   >its
   >defaults (too slow, needs too much memory...).
   >So my question is what should change in System 7.x to make it acceptable
   >to you?
   >Would you be ready to pay for that?

   I find most of what sys 7 adds to 6.0.x useless, or trivial inclusions
   of capabilities that were available from third party software (eg. new apple 
   menu = on cue, but with less capability). And the my 5MB IIsi is actually only
   a 2.7MB machine (this should be a danger flag when the system requirements 
   *halve* the available memory for a system with a reasonable amount of memory).
   [...]

I can't understand everyone complaining about bloated System 7. On my
PB 100, it usually takes up 1300k. It only fills up to >2M if I use a
lot of truetype fonts, or if I use Appletalk. Besides, isn't 7.1
supposed to be some few 100k smaller?

Markus (there ain't no chrome on a monochrome mac) Freericks
-- 
Markus Freericks	| email: mfx@cs.tu-berlin.de	
TU Berlin Sekr.FR 2-2 	| phone: +49-30-314-21390
Franklinstr.28/29	| priv.: +49-30-872523
D-1000 Berlin 10	|"Inertia makes the world go 'round."
From: zorro@cats.ucsc.edu (Dragan M Zivkovic)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: 8-24 GC / 16" problem
Date: 6 Oct 1992 23:56:17 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu



i just got a 16" apple display, and it refuses to work with my GC card.
somewhere in the back of the monitor manual i read something along the lines
of "if you have an old version of the 8-24 or 8-24 GC card, get a new one"

iwould like to not have to do that, especially sinve it costs almost as much as my machine. what can i do to it?

my system: IIfx, 7.0.1 tuneup, GC software, 8-24 GC card, mac II video card + 13" RGB, and the 16" monitor.

anything i can do??

any help is greatly appreciated.

-dz
From: ps296au@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Steven Cobb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Help: Shrunken Control Panel Window (6.0.8) PB100
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:55:57 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Sorry to interrupt the 7.1 ranting:
I'm Running a PB 100 under 6.0.8 and I somehow managed
to shrink the control panel window such that I can't
see all of the panels.  It may have happened when I
booted off an external HD running 7.0 anyway, is there
some preference file or Res-Edit chunk that will fix this?

Thanks and regards,
-- 
  \________/\      ______________________    __________________________________
Steven Cobb  \    /   scobb@ucsd.edu     \__/                Graduate School:
              \  /                                           It's not a job...
         UCSD  \/ ision Lab                                  It's an indenture.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: kevin@kosman.uucp (Kevin O'Gorman)
Subject: How to unpack Gatekeeper..._bin
Organization: Vital Software Services, Oxnard, CA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:22:13 GMT

I snarfed Gatekeeper_1.2.6_CPT_bin from the rascal mirror on wuarchive.
But now I'm stymied.  It sits here on my UNIX system, and I can't get
it to the MAC in a usable form.

If it were a hqx, all would be well: a text file is a text file. I have
several tools to gobble them up and spit out files with creators and
file types.

This _bin thing, though...  Should I just bring across the binary file,
stuff it in a data fork... but then what?  Do I change the file type
and creator, and if so, to what?

If it's macbinary, I suppose I could arrange to bring it over via White
Knight (not possible at the moment, but arrangeable) and WK would recognize
it as it came across.

Anybody know?

Unfortunately, the only copy known to archie (the archive finder) that's
in .hqx format is in Australia, and I don't like to impose on the links...

-- 
Kevin O'Gorman ( kevin@kosman.UUCP, kevin%kosman.uucp@nrc.com )
voice: 805-984-8042 Vital Computer Systems, 5115 Beachcomber, Oxnard, CA  93035
Non-Disclaimer: my boss is me, and he stands behind everything I say.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.system:12381 comp.sys.mac.misc:17165
From: ldh@svl.cdc.com (Lawrence D. Hare)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Mac II messed up!
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:31:37 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Control Data Systems
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
X-XXMessage-ID: <A6EDD2E072020456@ethelred.svl.cdc.com>
X-XXDate: Tue, 29 Sep 92 09:31:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.232129.3008@ultb.isc.rit.edu> Scott J. Kleper,
sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>I can't even begin to describe all of the things that are happening

I have seen crazy stuff like you describe. On Mac IIs of all
descriptions. Sometimes a full re-install clears it up. Some of the
craziest problems have been caused by disk drivers. Make sure your driver
is appropriate for the disk, transfer rate, etc. Do you have track
buffering enabled? Do you have track buffering at all? Try with and
without.. Just try reinstalling the drivers.

Some of the earlier drivers could not handle 32 bit VM properly. Try
running with VM off, 32 bit off, only 24 bit VM, etc... Some of the
earlier CDC 3.5 inch Swift drives were a tad flakey.
 
Check your interleave values on your hard drive and ensure that the disk
is behaving well and not dropping stuff. Try a disk check program and let
it run overnight. Check other cards in the box, move them around, try
different slots and different orders of cards, if you have any.

I presume you have run with a bare bones system and still have problems
so the above suggestions would be my first cracks.

Take heart - Mac IIs run fine - but an occasional nasty occurs that can
take a lot of patience to find and correct.

Hope this helps.
--
Lawrence D. Hare
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: ttak@quads.uchicago.edu (toki  takeuchi)
Subject: New E-Mail System for System 7.x?  Need?
Reply-To: ttak@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:11:37 GMT

I'm about 90% done developing an basic electronic mail system
for System 7.x.  I haven't worked on it for a few months,
and I've heard about Apple coming out with their own system,
so I want to know if it will be worth finishing (your opinion).

It will be a very inexpensive system.  So far, I have to admit
myself, as the author, that it is very well done.

Anyway, thanks for the advice in advance.

Kenji Takeuchi
From: hatch@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Steven Hatch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: System 7.1 & ATM?
Summary: Where's the fix for ATM?
Keywords: System 7.1, Adobe, Updates
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:15:44 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

What's the deal with System 7.1 and ATM? Where's the UPdate?
I've been using the beta version of 7.1 for about a month and I've had
to suffer without ATM! Does anyone have ANY details on this? It doesn't
seem to be much of a problem to fix...
 
Also, has anyone noticed under 7.1, applications seem to take quite a
LONG time to launch when you have many fonts installed into your
Fonts folder?
 
--Steven H.

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- Steven D. Hatch                             hatch@andromeda.rutgers.edu -
- GRAFX Indeed Multimedia, Inc.                     CompuServe:72557,1734 -
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From: hue@pro-freedom.cts.com (Scott Hudziak)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: What is PowerOrgasm?
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:52:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Oct5.185223.2116
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

>>I just found a copy of the System 7 extension PowerOrgasm. But when I
>>decompressed it, there was no documentation file. Can anyone tell me
>>what this thing is supposed to do?
 
___Most extensions go in the folder called 'extensions.' If I don;t know
waht to do with something, I usually drop it in the sysfolder (under sys 7)
and it can often figure out waht to do with the thing.
 
scott hudziak
hue@profreedom.cts.com

ProLine:  hue@pro-freedom
Internet: hue@pro-freedom.cts.com
UUCP:     crash!pro-freedom!hue
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From: resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu (Pete Resnick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Mathematical/Logic font
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:37:45 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Greetings. I am looking for a PostScript font that contains some logic
symbols that we cannot find in the Symbol font. So far, what I need
is:

Semantic and Syntactic consequence symbols (Single and double
turnstyle), like "|-" and "|=".

A subset symbol with a squared-off (as opposed to rounded) ends, like
"[" with a line under it.

The modal necessity symbol (a square).

Any alphabetic character with a bar or double bar over it.

Can anyone point me to a PostScript font (we are willing to purchase)
that contains any of these characters, or even others I might be
forgetting about?

pr
-- 
Pete Resnick             (...so what is a mojo, and why would one be rising?)
Graduate assistant - Philosophy Department, Gregory Hall, UIUC
System manager - Cognitive Science Group, Beckman Institute, UIUC
Internet: resnick@cogsci.uiuc.edu
From: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: RDoes Closeview conflict with Virtual Memory?e:
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:10:34 GMT
Reply-To: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk (Lloyd Wood)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

Does CloseView conflict with Virtual Memory (S7.0.1*1.1.1). Sometimes, I get
a permanently black screen when I turn on CloseView and have to reboot.

Thanks!

Lloyd Wood
L.H.Wood@uk.ac.lut