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Subject: Bellcore
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:32:46 GMT
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Cross posted to ARLIS-L and PACS-L with apologies
to those of you on both conferences:
>
> At the Lita conference in Denver I described
> to several people a panel on visual databases
> and imaging that I am trying to put together
> for ARLIS in San Francisco in Jan 1993.  Two
> people suggested that I speak with Dennis Egan
> of Superbook/Bellcore, because he might be
> able to discuss new directions in (computer)
> image recognition.  I have called the 800 number
> twice and had one person, not Mr. Egan return
> my calls.  All in all I have gotten very
> strange vibes, like
> I'm treading into top secret security-clearance
> territory.  Does someone know how I can reach
> Mr. Egan directly?  Does anyone know what is so precious
> and territorial at Bellcore? Is Bellcore a "babybell"?
>
> Maryly Snow
> Architecture Slide Library
> Uoniversity of California, Berkeley
> slides@ced.berkeley.edu
>
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From:         Bernie Sloan <AXPBBGS@UICVMC.BITNET>
Subject:      Earlham DIALOG Project

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From: Bernie Sloan

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There's been some discussion recently on PACS-L concerning distributed
electronic information resources and the role of faculty in providing
information to students for use in their coursework.

I thought I'd point out an interesting article related to this topic.
There's an article in the September 15 issue of Library Journal
("Lessons from DIALOG: Technology Impacts Teaching/Learning", by
Amy Beth and Evan Farber, pages 26-30) that provides a good overview
of Earlham College's experiment with providing unlimited access to
DIALOG. Most of the use of the varied DIALOG information resources
took place in faculty offices. While the article notes that "the
library was the agent, even the moving force in this project", the
project focused on faculty use of DIALOG services for several reasons,
the first of which was that "Faculty determine what students do and
how they learn". Student use of the databases took place in faculty
offices, with faculty input.

Anyway, the article makes for interesting reading for anyone who's
interested in the topic, whether or not you're a librarian.

Bernie Sloan, Director
Illinois Library Computer Systems Office
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:19:25 CDT
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Subject:      Library Automation--Comments & Questions

2 Messages, 69 Lines
1) Upgrading 8088s--Reply
2) Display Resolution Question
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From: pfa@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (PF Anderson)
Subject: Re: upgrading 8088 --> 80386sx

> Please reply to author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Jill
Unfortunately, Le Jaffe's address did not appear on the message I
received about this, so I am replying to the list. Sorry for any
inconvenience.

Lee, we had the same problem with the hard drives on the old 8088s.
Our repair tech tried putting in the newer hard drives with upgraded
power supplies, but then it turned out the new hard drives were
incompatible with our VGA monitor cards. I do know of a person
who upgraded an 8088 to an 80286, with similar chains of hardware
incompatibilities. After they replaced virtually the entire guts of
the machine they had something that would run. The feeling was that
it was cheaper in time and grief to buy a new machine than to attempt
the sort of upgrade you are describing. The original case and floppy
drives were about the only parts that ended up in the 'renovated'
machine. The display and power supply and video card all needed
to be replaced.

Pat Anderson
Barnes Learning Resources Center
Galter Library
Northwestern Univ.
303 E. Chicago Ave.
Chicago IL 60611
pfa@nwu.edu
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From:      "Walt Crawford" <BR.WCC@RLG>
Subject:   Display resolution question

Here's a legitimate question, one where I hope some
technological expert out there can show me where I've
gone wrong through naivete or ignorance:

Is there some way in which a color CRT can display
more picture elements (pixels) than would be indicated
by dividing its live display-area width or height by
its dot pitch? That is: if the dot pitch of a monitor
is 0.31mm, and its useful display area is (say) 8" wide
by 6" high (thus, 203.2mm by 152.4mm), is there any way
that the monitor can display more than 655x491 pixels?

If there isn't, isn't it misleading (at best) to suggest
that such a monitor could display SVGA (800x600), even if
it can accept the signal?

(While the particular dimensions chosen are arbitrary,
the question isn't. If I'm right, then, given that the
horizontal measurement of a display area is roughly 0.85
times the diagonal measure, it is (for example) ludicrous
to speak of a 14" (typically, 13" displayable) monitor with
0.31mm dot pitch as able to display 1024x768: at that pitch,
15" visible diagonal measure is the smallest for this
resolution.)

This has been troubling me because so many 14" monitors
seem to say "1024x768"--and I don't think most of them
are physically capable of *displaying* that many pixels.
Am I missing something here?
-walt crawford, br.wcc@rlg (BITNET), br.wcc@rlg.stanford.edu
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Subject: Re: Dead Trees and Humanities
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:22:00 GMT
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Yikes! Was that you, Michael, defending books/paper???

Actually, the idea we used to have, about taking a book to bed,
is falling asunder: I'll just ask Apple to "clothe" my Newton
in a leather, tooled cover.

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From: beidler@shrsys.hslc.org (Sue Beidler, Lycoming College)
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Subject: Printing from the OED2nd on CD
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:12:26 GMT
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Please respond directly to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Dana

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We recently purchased the Oxford English Dictionary (2nd edition)
on CD-ROM.  In trying to use it we "discovered" that it is not
possible to print from the WORD search screen.  It was confirmed by
Oxford that this was a deliberate decision on Oxford's part.

In addition, printing from any of the other search choices is
extremely awkward.  As we understand it the search must be saved to
a DOS file and then printing done from either Windows or DOS.  The
OED2nd is mounted on a public use workstation and we try to protect
ourselves by limiting access to DOS and/or Windows with a password
so that students cannot change the configuration, etc. of the
worksatation.

We are interested in reactions from other libraries who have
purchased the OED2nd.  Is this what you expected?  How are you
coping with the printing problem?  Is there a way to organize and
protest?

Thanks for any information you can share.


Sue Beidler
Snowden Library
Lycoming College
beidler@shrsys.hslc.org
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From:         "(Dave Sutherland)" <daves@james.carleton.ca>
Subject:      Re: Community Networks and ALOT 1993 (part I)

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I was very interested in Steve's article on community networks.  Add
to your list the National Capital Freenet in Ottawa Canada
(freenet.carleton.ca).  While still in the pilot stage, we hope to be
online to the local public by January 1993.  As of the moment, we have
over 100 organizations involved and more than 300 people.  Modems and
a machine have been donated.  Information is being prepared and
volunteers recruited.

A similar project is underway in Victoria BC.

Of interest to this group will be the fact that the Ottawa and Nepean
(a suburb) Public Libraries have been involved from the very
beginning.  In fact, the Ottawa Public Library is planning to place
FreeNet terminals in their branches starting next month with trials in
their main branch.

Dave Sutherland
Director of Computing and Communications Services
Carleton University

Chairman, National Capital FreeNet Organizing Committee
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:55:54 CDT
From:         "Thomas P. Vogl" <vogl@helix.nih.gov>
Subject:      Re: Internet Training

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I found Michael Hart's message on the different perceptions of the new group of
internet users and the analogy with learning to drive a car most interesting and
very appropos.  I agree with him on most points that he makes.

However, I found his copyright notice, and unintelligible explanation of the
need therefore totally inappropriate in its tone.  The broad restriction, indeed
prohibition of showing his message to anyone else is contrary to the ethical
spirit of the net.  Even worse, it is clear that the point of the prohibition is
to allow a private publisher financial gain, and it is equally clear, that "for
profit" use of the net is illegal. It is one thing to ask the readers not to
republish his words without attribution.  It is equally appropriate to ask
readers not to include his work in theirs even with attribution.  But as
written, the prohibition prevents me from showing this note to my colleage who
happens not to be a PACS-L subscriber.  Is this reasonable, ethical, or legal?
I think not.  Should I show it to my colleague anyhow?  Any comments or guidance
will be appreciated.
Tom Vogl
vogl@helix.nih.gov
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From:         r1tek@akronvax.bitnet
Subject: PC Magazine: MAG NET

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Anyone know what is:  _Pc Magazine's_  MAG NET ??
Is it a product, an archive,...?

I'm looking for some utilities available on IT.

Thanks,

Tom Klingler
The University of Akron
Bierce Library
Akron, OH  44325-1709
TomKlingler@UAkron.edu
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From:         "Peter Graham, Rutgers U., (908) 932-2741" <GRAHAM@ZODIAC.BITNET>
Subject:      Getty Press Release "1"

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This is not the first time that the Getty has arranged or announced a
conference on a significant topic with little or no lead time.  The private
nature of the conference, though attended by apparently useful groups and
people, combined with the timing of the announcment (inviting "coverage" at
a press meeting to be held on the day after the message) transmits a sense
of noblesse oblige which several of the organizations involved, certainly
including the Getty, need to be careful not to project.

The position papers to be distributed sound interesting and we all look
forward to seeing them as announced in the release.  It may be the case that
the discussion in the broader community stimulated by these papers might be of
interest to those at the meeting, but they will not have the opportunity to
take advantage of such discussion.  The phrase in the release that
policy proposals will be considered for
adoption by the assembly" implies a decision-making mode of a more global
nature than I suspect is intended.

--Peter Graham, Rutgers University
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:47:22 CDT
From:         RHADDEN@USGSRESV.BITNET
Subject:      RE: What to tell 'em in Vienna?

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I tell 'em the tory of the introduction of the telephone to college campuses
around the tunr of the century up to about 1930. There was a great deal of
hostility and suspision about phones on campuses. It was thought that
professors would cut their office o  hours, rich students with phones
would have advantages over poor ones without, that it would lead to sloppy
scholarship, that lazy people would use the telephones rather than visit
face-to-face.
   I then introduce them to the 'net, the equivalent of the turn-of-the-
century telephone., As with any analogy, it only goes so far, but it
is a nice reminder that change is not just new, but is also old.
lee hadden
usgs library
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From: CIJS03@VAXA.STRATHCLYDE.AC.UK (D.M.NICHOLSON)
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Subject: HP Calculator Bulletin Board on Internet?
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:22:55 GMT
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Please respond directly to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Dana

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Can anyone tell me whether the HP Calculator Bulletin Board in
Corvallis Oregon (0101 503 750 4448) is accessible over the Internet
and, if so, what its address is?

Thanks in advance

Dennis Nicholson
Systems Librarian
Strathclyde University Library
Glasgow
(cijs03@vaxa.strath.ac.uk)
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 10:20:32 CDT
From:         CBush <$L$LB3G@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Incompatibility among Library Catalogs on the Internet

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Could somebody out there please explain IN THE SIMPLEST TERMS
POSSIBLE why there is incompatibility among library catalogs
even though they are on the internet.  I telnet from a mainframe
on either a PC using a gateway or on a dumb terminal and get
garbage characters when connected to Cornell or Vanderbilt.  I can
sort of grasp the fact the UNIX and MVS would have a difficult time
communicating (they way Macintoshes and IBM PC can't "talk" easily)
but shouldn't two IBM mainframes even though they have different
operating systems be able to "talk" to each other.  If not why
hasn't the appropriate gateway or interface been built into
the OS?
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Subject:      Soviet Archives

From: JUDITH HOPKINS AT SUNY BUFFALO <ULCJH@UBVMS.BITNET>
Subject: Re: soviet archives

FTP to seq1.loc.gov
cd pubs/soviet.archive

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Central Technical Services                FAX:   (716) 645-5955
Lockwood Library Building
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From:         JUDYK@LIB.TECHNION.AC.IL
Subject:      Settling of Internet: with a smile, please!

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I found the pioneers/settlers analogy both amusing and thought-provoking.
I was a bit sorry, then, to see Claudia Lynch's reaction to one
phrase of it:
(The original:)
>>     Last summer saw the passing of the era of the wild, wild
>>Internet.  It is now up to those of us who have settled these new
>>territories to develop rules, regulations, and guidebooks that
>>will make information available equitably for everyone.
(The reaction):
>Wow, I guess all those "rules, regulations, and guidebooks" that I have
>been consulting for quite some time now (before the "historical" last
>summer) were just a figment of my imagination. I am SO thankful of your
>existance as an "information organizer" -- I will sleep better with this
>knowledge :/

I get the feeling Claudia meant this to be funny, but to me it came
over as uncomfortably sarcastic. Such preventable things are flame wars
made of.  I should know, I've made the same mistake myself...

A smiley :-) would have helped.

PS: just in case it was meant the way it sounds: surely Internet
country is still far from that late stage of settlement where you
have to watch out in case an army of lawyers rebukes you for having
used the words "last summer" to refer to any time before June 23rd...?
Or for talking of developing rules, regulations and guidebooks without
specifying in the small print that some do indeed exist, but the
first 2 are too complicated (//DD etc.) and specific and there are not
enough of the third...? Legalese goes very ill with the joy of
discovery, which is what I thought we were talking about.

Ah well, takes all sorts to make a world. Even lawyers. (*Now* am I
gonna get flamed!! :-)   )

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| Judy Koren,                                         |
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 11:17:30 CDT
From:         Sue Martin <SKMARTIN@GUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Dead trees and humanities

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Peter Merel says that "CDs and their successors are just as tough as
paper, if not tougher."  We had a discussion of this topic on PACS-L
about eighteen months ago, and I am not at all sure that it is clear
that CD-ROMs are, in fact, tougher than paper.

Last year, the National Archives examined the evidence, and decided
that it was not sensible to rely on CD-ROM durability for more than a
handful of years.  This conclusion, as I understand it, was based on
problems with oxidation found in some CD-ROMs (and also CDs).  While I
have recently heard some people say that they believe that CDs will
last up to 100 years, I haven't heard anyone say *why* they believe
this to be the case: have there been reliable aging tests done?

In any case, we know that acid-free paper will last several hundred
years at least.  And while there may be a durable successor technology
to CDs in the near future, we have yet to cope with the obsolescence
of technologies (remember that there's a major problem with the 1960
census data).

Increased and effective use of information technologies is critical
for the future, but I don't think books and paper are going away
very quickly.

Sue Martin
Georgetown University
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:16:31 CDT
From:         "(Rick Gates)" <lb05gate@UCSBUXA.BITNET>
Subject:      Hunt release date

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Due to requests that I give the Net advance warning of the next
release of the Internet Hunt, please note the following:

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*                   THE NEXT INTERNET HUNT                    *
*               (coming to a network near you)                *
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*                  Midnight (PST), Sept 30                    *
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Be there.
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