HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: SUPRA 9600 baud
Keywords: connecting these things
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:44:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: macc.1992Apr11.234408.13960
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <Apr.11.19.08.10.1992.14151@remus.rutgers.edu>
trott@remus.rutgers.edu (Rich Trott) writes:

>Do these modems work right out of the box, or do you need to make one
>of the funky cables described in the zs man page?

Assuming the modem has (Supra does) a standard RS232 DB25
connector, you can buy the correct cable, wired as required
by the zs man page.  We sell the right cable where I work; I
think it was $9.50.

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From: adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXT and Atari...
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:25:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.151212.8500@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) writes:
> 
> A while back, someone posted news of the new Atari Falcon.  That was
> the one with the DSP, True Color, and a lot of things which made it
> look similar to the NeXT.  Since that time, a lot of people in
> comp.sys.atari.st have been talking about rumors that NeXT is looking
> at a joint venture with Atari, perhaps porting NeXTStep to the Falcon,
> perhaps looking at the Falcon as a 3rd party, low end NeXT.  No one
> there has been able to confirm or deny any of these rumors.
> 
> So, I guess what I'm wondering is, does anyone here have any knowledge
> about this?  I have both an Atari and, just recently, a NeXT, so this
> is becoming quite interesting to me.  Any rumors you've heard are
> appreciated, as well as anything more concrete.
> 
> Depending on how much I find out, I may summarize to c.s.a.st.  If
> people here are interested, I'll summarize here, too.

Yeah right.  That would be like SUN signing up with Sinclair to port  
Openlook to the ZX81 series.  Hahahaah.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: a74k110@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Barbershop MIME
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:31:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.210235.23356@u.washington.edu> MRC@Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:
>THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT.  Your news reader does not support
>MIME.  Perhaps you should get new software.

[700k deleted, yowza]

So, Mark, does SEF bounce MIME too? inquiring minds want to know.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: sritchie@cs.ubc.ca (Stuart Ritchie)
Subject: Usenix Micro-Kernel workshop approaching -- who's going?
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 09:08:29 GMT

An interesting line-up of micro-kernel research will be
presented at the upcoming Usenix micro-kernel workshop, to
be held in Seattle, WA, April 27-28.

This workshop may also have a secondary interest for
NeXTheads, as Avadis Tevanian holds one of the four chairs
on the workshop committee.  (But you never know, this might
be a bad time for him as there's 3.0 coming up and everything...)

I would like to meet up with other micro-kernel hackers
and NeXTheads while I'm there, and share some experiences
over a few beers, or whatever (as long as there's a TV nearby,
so I can watch the Canucks crush Winnipeg).

Who else is going?

...Stuart
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd M. Swan)
Subject: Re: Interesting Tibits - Microsoft & NeXT?
Reply-To: tms@twins.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Lab
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:24:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.070642.25247@darkcube.radig.de> vhs@darkcube.radig.de  
(Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) writes:
> In article <1992Apr6.153940.12958@newshost.lanl.gov> tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd  
> M. Swan) writes:
> > In article <1992Apr3.204553.2624@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca>  
> jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca  
> > (Joseph Chin) writes:
> > > Microsoft & NeXT?
> > > -----------------
> > >   Microsoft is just full of surprises these days. First Fox, what
> > >   could be NeXT? The latest news from Redmond is that Mr. Bill has
> > >   apparently overcome his dislike of Steve Jobs and the company will
> > >   be porting its most popular applications to the NeXT. 
> > 
> > Did NeXT just close a 950,000 machine sale that we aren't aware of?  :-)
> 
> Not necessary. After all, M$ also tries to port Windoze NT (Losedoze) to ACE
> platforms. How many ACE machines are sold yet? Certainly not a million.

But Bill Gates specificly said that Microsoft would make NeXT software until 1  
million were sold.

Todd
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From: sam_s@NeXT.com (Sam Streeper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Files in my home directory, and other ruminations
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:54:37 GMT
Reply-To: sam_s@NeXT.com

Boy do I have a lot of unwanted crud in my home directory.  I'd just like
to take this opportunity to encourage app writers to keep files out of
there, which makes cleaning up much easier.  I think a better solution
is to put app related files in

~/Library/Appname/crud_files

This way I don't have to look at them unless I want to see them, and I
can easily identify and nuke them.  Thoughts welcomed.


More idle pondering...  Is NeXTstep expensive?  Is it a bargain?  I think
the answer to both may be yes...

When you count licences for Unix, PostScript, Fonts, Renderman, etc etc
it all adds up.  On top of that, have you ever priced similar (if
inferior) tools and libraries on the sun?

Looking Glass is "something like" WorkSpace.  $795
I just got a brochure for a MallocDebug like tool, $3000
The list goes on.  This is expensive stuff!

But you know, I see that Bill Gates expects to sell 1.3 million copies
of Windows 3.1 in the first couple of months of release.  Do you ever
get the feeling that the computer world just waits for Bill to decree
what the next OS will be and then buys several million copies?

I think that's part of it.  The other part is probably that he is quite
shrewd and not very proud.  He's willing to sell an OS that runs on
machines that almost everyone has, and he's willing to sell it cheap.
It seems as long as nobody is willing to play by Bill's rules, Bill will
continue to get 95% of the PC OS market.

So what will the next big OS be?  I dunno, but I've got a pretty good
guess as to the criterion of success.

Hey don't send me mail about this.  I'm less in touch with reality
than most marketing types.  8^)  (ouch oooow!)

-sam


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: polu@archimedes.engr.umbc.edu (Polu Harinath)
Subject: cursor does not spin any more!!
Keywords: cursor does not spin anymore!!
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:58:29 GMT


Hi,

A couple of weeks back I had posted regarding the disappearing cursor. For some  
reason, the cursor startedbehaving itself and never disappeared again. After a  
week, the right mouse button would get disabled every time I log out. I had to  
set my preferences every time I logged in (I use the X-stuff- needs a right  
mouse button). A week later, the problem got fixed (do not ask me how - the  
driving force !!). Now, I have yet another interesting observation, THE CURSOR  
DOES NOT SPIN - usually when an application is being launched or the m/c is  
busy the cursor would spin, now the system works the same way except that the  
cursor does not spin at all, it looks like the small arrow, no matter what the  
m/c is doing. I do not know what to expect next. BTW I have been using the same  
applications all along, no new applications are causing this problems. All said  
and done, I still am a big time NeXT admirer. 

Any hints...

Hari Polu..

polu@plato.engr.umbc.edu
polu@umbc4.umbc.edu


Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: samurai@uriel.cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy Brockbank)
Subject: Re: Diagram! Engage! Enough!
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:55:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.051620.7708@shaman.com> jiro@shaman.com (Jiro Nakamura)  
writes:
> In article <1992Apr4.205331.253@lighthouse.com> gibraltar!wiley (Wiley S.  
> Hodges) writes:
> > Result: how many exclamation points do you see in the name  
> > "Concurrence?"
> 
> Wiley -
> 	I think I will rename The Shaman Group, The Shaman Group. 
> That's "The Shaman Group." full stop. Should get editors real confused.  
> :-)  

If ya really want to mess them up, put a couple of control characters
in there:

Diagram^M^D   (pronounced "Diagram Line Feed End Of File").

- @db{}


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: garyc@lenny.acns.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang)
Subject: Re: Display growing dim
Reply-To: garyc@lenny.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:39:59 GMT

In article <12494@tamsun.tamu.edu> dcher@dairy.tamu.edu (David  
Cherbonnier) writes:
> I'm sure I saw this subject posted awhile back, but a search of the FAQ  
> archives yielded nothing...
> 
> The brightness level on my mono slab has been dimming steadily for  
weeks.
> Currently, it's to the point now that I have to run at max brightness to  
see  
> anything, and it's not getting better :(  BTW, I'm always careful to dim  
the  
> screen when I logoff, and the auto-dim setting under preferences is set  
to dim  
> after 5 minutes.
> 

	There's one Mono Monitor in our campus lab which has the same  
problem. And it is now to be there to discourage people from using it due  
to the limited liscience agreement for some software which can be used on  
one individaul machine only.  The same discouragement was made to the only  
Slab in the lab which has a floppy drive but only 8-Megs of RAM on it.  

	I guess you would like to bug your local representative to get it  
fixed soon.

Gary
From: n189ds@tamuts.tamu.edu (Ronald Pomeroy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: MIME-capable software
Keywords: NewsGrazer, MIME, flamewars
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:16:48 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.next
Distribution: usa
Organization: ~/lib/organization

In article <1992Apr13.180319.27959@cco.caltech.edu> ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) writes:
>In article <MS-C.703140271.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> Mark  
>Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> writes:
[stuff deleted]
>At the moment, there isn't sufficient motivation for NeXT users to use MIME  
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
If it would reduce the excessive (NG related flamewars, SefFlames,etc)
noise in this group I'd have to say there's plenty of modivation.
JMH2CW
(just my humble 2 cents worth)
>because NewsGrazer handles existing needs.  As soon as someone shows a  
>'compelling advantage' to MIME, I'm sure things will start popping up.  That  
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 See above :-)
				Ronald Pomeroy
				n189ds@tamuts.tamu.edu
				Texas A&M University
				I speak for myself
From: cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: comp.newprod (was: Why doesn't NeXT send press releases to comp.sys.next.announce?
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:21:09 GMT

Izumi Ohzawa writes
> The thing I don't understand is:
> 
> Why doesn't NeXT send their press releases to comp.sys.next.annouce.


Because it's a violation of the rules about blatantly commercial posts on  
net news.

There is a newsgroup specifically set up for blatantly commercial posts,  
and it's called:

	COMP.NEWPROD

People should read it and use it. 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: Save mail from the Mail Application?
Reply-To: andrew@cubetech.com
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 07:43:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.235907.24345@morrow.stanford.edu>  
minch@lotka.stanford.edu (Eric Minch) writes:

>  Any mail I want saved I just leave in my mailbox, but if you *did* want  
>  to save it to a file, and *didn't* want to cut-and-paste, you could  
>  print (^p) and hit the Save button on the Print Dialog panel to get a  
>  Save Panel.

That yields a postscript file...Yuk.  Why not just create a mailbox and stash  
it away there.  If you need just he ASCII, there is a file called 'mbox' inside  
the mailbox file-package.  'mbox' is a standard ASCII mail-file...

andrew
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Cube Technologies, Inc.       |   next door; let's go." --- e.e. cummings
From: dimitri@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Dimitri Tischenko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: X server binaries
Keywords: X
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:37:10 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology

Dear NeXTers,

Has anymody compiled the X server for the NeXT or know a site where
a compiled version is living? I don't want to reinvent the wheel again
by installing it from the 70 MB sources if it's already done.

Thanks in advance,

Dimitri
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 e-mail: dimitri@duticai.tudelft.nl or dimitri@dutiws.tudelft.nl
 Delft University of Technology, Fac Applied Math & Computer Science  
 The Netherlands                                                          
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jscherer@novell.com
Subject: Converting a scribe document
Reply-To: jscherer@novell.com
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:39:44 GMT

I have a document that is in some old format called SCRIBE.  Can anyone  
tell me how I may convert this to something a bit more usefull?

John Scherer
jscherer@novell.com
NeXT Mail Welcome!
From: cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu (Charles Herrick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Ed is at it again =-0-= What's WTBR? =-0-= (was Re: MIME format for comics
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:46:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.190703.17085@msen.com> emv@msen.com (Edward  
Vielmetti) writes:
$ Just a thought -- 
$ Rather than cook up a special format for WTBR 

Just a thought --

	DEFINE YOUR FREAKING ACRONYMS!!!!!

What the hell is WTBR?


guess: Will The Brain Regenerate?
From: knelson@cs.umn.edu (Kenneth Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: What's the educational cost of 3.0 on CD-ROM?
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:53:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr8.035349.27458
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

In article <1992Apr8.001218.497@umbc3.umbc.edu> roy@math13.math.umbc.edu (Roy Edwards) writes:
>Subject asks it all.
>Roy

I have been told by the U of M and the local rep.: $295.00 for the upgrade
from 2.1.  I was told there is ~$5000.00 worth of new software in 3.0,
Renderman, et.al.

Ken
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From: ssietz@dartagnan.rutgers.edu (Steven Sietz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Ac_Chen Re: NeXT game ADDICTION ALERT!
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:35:24 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Speaking of sounds, exactly what is it saying?

Diane?!

Oh no, not again...?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: m@crito.Stanford.EDU (M Carling)
Subject: Re: Need Advice on upgrading from 030 to 040 to color
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 00:45:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.215511.24406@cs.ucla.edu> esky@marathon.cs.ucla.edu  
(Eskandar Ensafi) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I own an 030 cube and I plan to upgrade to a Turbo (33-MHz 040) with  
> NeXTdimension.  With all the rumors flying around, I don't know what to  
do.  I  
> mean, is NeXTdimension going to be phased out?  Will it ever have  
compression?   
> Is it better to wait for the rumored RISC system if I'm already waiting  
for the  
> Trubo cube upgrades to come out? (it's a difference of 4-6 months  
according to  
> rumors -- July for the Turbo, September for the RISC.)  Help!!!

The Turbo cube board started shipping nearly two weeks ago.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: Ac_Chen Re: NeXT game ADDICTION ALERT!
Reply-To: andrew@cubetech.com
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 05:40:42 GMT

In article <gdrVBle00iUy03l25W@andrew.cmu.edu> wb1j+@andrew.cmu.edu (William M.  
Bumgarner) writes:

>  Think about the game-- it is one of the most abusive, sadistic games
>  written.  Straight-ahead, no holds barred, think-fast-or-die kind of
>  game.  If the UI or anything were nice, it would take away from the
>  impact of the game.

I HATE IT I HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT.

but damnit, I can't stop playing!


andrew
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Cube Technologies, Inc.       |   next door; let's go." --- e.e. cummings
From: songer@ei.ecn.purdue.edu (Christopher M Songer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: New NeXTbus Form-Factor?
Keywords: nextbus bus form factor new risc 88110cube brick
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:57:26 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

esky@mayhem.icsl.ucla.edu writes:
>
>1. Do you think that the 88110 CPU will be available as an upgrade to the cube?
[and other such "touchy" questions.]


Certainly anyone who knows the answer to these questions is not telling. 
There were a ZILLION posts earlier in the year about the remaining life
in the Cube. My only comments would be these: Any form factor which
NeXT moved to for NeXTbus would be smaller than the Cube form factor.
There is no reason for smaller cards not to fit in the Cube if NeXT
wants them to. As far as the Cube is concerned, the CPU board is just
another board in the backplane. Make your own guesses.

-Chris
From: coco@ihcoco.att.com (Felix A. Lugo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Barbershop MIME
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:41:29 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Naperville, I.L.

In article <1992Apr12.210235.23356@u.washington.edu> MRC@Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:
| THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT.  Your news reader does not support
| MIME.  Perhaps you should get new software.
| 
| Unlike NewsGrazer format, MIME is an emerging standard that is widely
| implemented on many different machines.  Perhaps you losers who only
| have NewsGrazer can't read it.  Sorry.  It's your problem.  I guess
| NeXT is destined to fall behind SUN, DEC, AT&T, and all the other
| vendors who have adopted MIME.
| 
| [In case you haven't figured out yet, this is intended as an object lesson
|  to the "I will post RTF and if you can't read it, tough" crowd.]
| 
	<some very long and ugly stuff deleted>   8^)

	It's great!  Now, where's the app that will allow me to read all this
	info. or the procedure on how to unbundle the thing manually!  At
	least NewsGrazer was available before the first RTF postings were made!

	Come on Mark, I want to see/hear what's in your posting ...

	BTW, what AT&T system uses MIME?  I haven't seen or heard of anyone
	using MIME at an AT&T site!   8^(

---

===========================================================================
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E-Mail: (NeXTmail preferred)			Felix_A_Lugo@ATT.COM
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Neuron
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:09:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.073326.17765@cs.ubc.ca> sritchie@cs.ubc.ca (Stuart Ritchie) writes:

[ ]
>
>NeXTstep, with ISDN support built right into the operating
>system and hardware -- as seemless as it could be -- will be
>running rings around your Macintosh.

ISDN is a long way down the road for us at least. By the time it is
readily available and affordable the Mac and other micros will no doubt
support it.
>
>But hey, that's networking.  Something that Mac's don't need
>to bother about.

One of the Mac's stronger points has been networking. Appletalk is very
nice and using it remotely is even nicer. If anything it's the NeXT that
has so far been hard to integrate into mixed networks.
>
>Also, I bet there are modem/fax dealers for Mac systems that
>have dished out the same problems for Mac customers.

I'd have a hard time finding one that's been on the same (low) level
as Neuron. I've dealt with all types of computers and I have never
come across any company as bad as Neuron. In the Mac/PC/(other) world
you'd have a choice.

What would happen to all those Neuron customers were Neuron to just
stop existing, something which would not surprise me? I suspect the
answer is that they'd get an equivalent level of service. In fact it
might actually improve matters. For example has anyone tried to contact
Digicom in order to put the original firmware back in( i.e. get the
Neuron stuff out)? They might even supply you with a different nameplate( just
wishful thinking perhaps).

Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu

>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: samurai@uriel.cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy Brockbank)
Subject: ND survey (summary)
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:42:29 GMT


About compression on the NeXT.

I've recieved 25 letters so far, 24 expressing a need for compression,
and a will to purchase the daughterboard if made available.

Of note:

One respondent (who asked to remain anonymous) said that compression is
in the works at NeXT, but the ND software gurus are currently busy with
3.0 and other related stuff. When things clear up, they'll finish up with
the compression.

Another respondent said that NeXT told him that compression is in the 
works, and it will be available whether it be MPEG or JPEG.

What I would like to do then, is to mail a copy of the letters I've
recieved to NeXT to confirm that we indeed feel that compression is
crucial. If you have sent me mail, and intend to remain anonymous (as
some have) and haven't told me so, then please let me know, and I
will not forward your letter to NeXT.

Thanks for responding...

- darcy

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