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From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: test (plus important questions)
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:26:09 GMT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1885j6INN58@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep2.165427.13289@ttinews.tti.com> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
>>>+In article <78843@ut-emx.uucp> captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin) writes:
>>>+>BTW, a question for all you etiologists.  What is the TRUE origin of the
>>>+>word "scumbag"?
>>>
>>>I hate to be known as the news group grammarian, but for the record,
>>>the word you are looking for is etymology/etymologists.  
> 
> etiology  n.  1. the study of causes, origins, or reasons.
> 
> Sounds good to me.  Grammar flames suck.

the verb "to suck" requires an object, ed.  do you need some
suggestions?

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: >wheelies
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 20:46:52 GMT

In article <viking.716017152@vincent2.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes in response to me:
>
>>>	So what's to keep the motor from locking up when climbing a hill?
>>>Mine's a dry sump so I don't worry too much, but in Colorado or any other
>>>mountainous state this sounds like a serious flaw.  The oil pump intake
>>>should work for everything under a 70 degree incline to be safe.
>
>>70 degrees?  When's the last time you saw a paved road with a 70 degree
>>incline?  :')
>
>	You mean you have paved roads?  Geez, what I luxury!  We could only
>*dream* of paved roads!

Yeah, I know, you have to get narrow bars on your bike to fit between
the rows of corn in downtown Ames.  (Or is it IA city?  I can never
keep them straight.)

 Seriously, I've seen 60 degrees in Applachia, so it
>seems to reason that a bit greater than that is necessary for the manufacturer
>to provide for.

60 degrees?  Are you sure about that?  Draw a 60 degree angle on a piece of
paper, and hold it in front of you, and ask yourself if it was truly
that steep.  Most airplanes aren't capable of sustaining a 60 degree
climb angle, much less modern cars, model A's, or horse carts.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley joke...
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:34:25 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: rec
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <BOWERS.92Sep9114843@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov>,
bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers) wrote:
> 
> 
> My wife brought this one home yesterday:
> 
> Q: What's the difference between a vacuum cleaner and a Harley?
> 
> A: With the vacuum, the dirt-bag is on the inside.
> 
> :-)
> 
> I thought it rather quaint...

Yes, very quaint but Bad Form, Al. JMS Hook would be horrified.
========
Godfrey DiGiorgi | ramarren@apple.com | DoD #0493
"Logic may be the beginning of wisdom, but logic never bought
 me a Ducati."
 Rule #1: Never sell a Ducati.
 Rule #2: Always obey Rule #1.
Honda VFR700 Intercepter 1987, "Bright White"
Ducati 750GT             1975, "Thunder"
Ducati 250 Mk III Diana  1966, sleeping beauty
Toyota MR2               1985, "VSSC"
========
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From: ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine)
Subject: HERE I AM! LOOK AT ME! I'M MAKING A BIG NOISE! I'M SPECIAL!
Keywords: flamebait flamebait flamebait 
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 13:55:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.192634.16075@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>
>> Loud horns are nice.

Yes, very useful.
>
>So are loud pipes.

No, no, I'm going to resist. I'm not going to start this stupid thread
again. What's that noise? An FZR 1000 with Vance & Hines just went by 
(note that I did not hear him coming, so this is not a safety feature).
He just shifted gears. And again. He's still going. I can still hear him.
He's blocks away by now. He's slowing down, oh, he's speeding up again,
shifting gears...... 

AAAHHHHHH! I can't stand it! Turn that friggin machine off! Those goddamned
bikes are louder than the renovation next door! They make my dog go nuts!
They wake me up in the middle of the night, they don't care if I have a
review meeting at eight in the morning. The fucking sons of bitches, I wish 
some redneck idjut would blow them away so that I would be able to ride 
the Radian around the old city in Quebec again. God damned assholes with 
loud pipes disturb my peace and ruin *my* image I wish they would lock 
themselves up in a sealed room SO THEY CAN DIE FROM THE CARBON MONOXIDE 
FROM THEIR LOUD PIPES, OR THE NOISE, WHICHEVER COMES FIRST.

There, I feel better now. If you want to annoy me with your exhaust,
then I should be allowed to waste your time with this posting. Dickweeds.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine    DoD #275
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter)
Subject: Re: How do I teach the wife to descend?
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 02:23:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep08.002923.10775@convex.com> couyant@convex.com (George Couyant) writes:
>> From: baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter)
>> Subject: Re: How do I teach the wife to descend?
>
>	Ok Mike, so what you're saying is that it just happens.
>	Talent?..maybe...I've seen it in rare cases...more often though it's 
>	due to attitude, attitude, attitude, practice and finally attitude.

     When I race my attitude is usually this.  I ride/race for fun, therefore I
ride to the best of my abilities and try not to go way over my riding limits.
I don't ride mad, drunk, druged, or even thinking that I will win.  I just want
to finish the race in one piece after doing my best.  You can always blame your
bike. ;-)  It works for me, as I seem to do well.  I do not get to practice
much on my bike so some of my riding has to be from being able to feel what is
right.  My technique is somewhat of a mystery.  All I know is that I rarely sit
down and when I do I'm either turning sharp or I'm tired.
     Crashing is inevitble as the tides as you try to ride faster and faster.
That doesn't mean you have to go 70MPH to crash either.  It also doesn't mean
that every crash will hurt.  I'm not ashamed to say I crash alot.  I try to
go faster and faster, until I find my limit or the bikes limit and sometimes
I fall and sometimes I don't.  Most of my crashes happen in slow sections of the
track and are usually a wheel washing out due to rider throttle input.  
     As for my eyes and looking around, I concentrate on upcoming obsticles
and not the ones that I'm currently conquering(hopefully).  This keeps most
suprizes from springing up on me.  

_____________________________________________________________________________
DoD #359         '91  CR250            |         Mike Baxter   
AMA #607249                            |              
TCCRA  #061    250cc int. class        |      baxter@spdc.ti.com
Texas Cross-Country racing series      |   
50 miles of off-road Hell              |   Texas Instruments, Dallas Tx.
_______________________________________|_____________________________________

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Re: How do I teach the wife to descend?
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 22:46:48 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

> From: tedg@apollo.HP.COM (Ted Grzesik)
> Subject: Re: How do I teach the wife to descend?
> 
> In article <1992Sep1.224953.8631@access.usask.ca>, donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald) writes:
> |> jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer) writes:
> |> 	iii) Remember from street riding:  LOTS of the braking power is in the 
> |> 	     front wheel.  Don't be afraid to use it.
> 
> I would strongly disagree with using the front brake on a steep hill.  This
> is an easy way to get a close up view of the hill (after flying over the
> handlebars), with the added fun of having the bike fall on top of you.

	You have to pick your moments when using the front brake down a
	hill.  It's not a good idea to keep it applied all the way down
	...not because it'll lock, but because it compresses the front
	suspension and you really muck up the stability and handling of
	the bike. You'd never attack something rutty or rough sitting on
	the tank with the brakes on right? You'd be standing up and on the
	gas...Nothing's changed because you're going down a hill.

	BUT...you still need to wash speed off...and that comes with
	experience. Look for areas with better traction..or smooth areas.
	You can brake as hard as anything there and wash off a lot of
	speed.

	Me? I enter everything, whether it's a steep down hill or hard 
	turn nice and easy. I can then be in perfect (?!?) control to exit
	quickly. Just for the record though, I always keep one or two
	fingers on the front brake (lightly...) down a hill. It helps keep
	the bike from running away on me...

	Cheers
	George C.

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Holiday time...
Organization: CONVEX Computer Pty Limited, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:54:15 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


I don't want to brag...but...

I'm off on a 3 week 4WD/dirt biking holiday next week to Central Australia.

Do the usual touristy things around Ayres Rock etc., out to King's Canyon,
have a look at Palm Valley, Have a shower and a beer in Alice Springs, Down 
past Chamber's Pillar, along the Oodnadatta Track, through the Gammon Ranges, 
Flinders Ranges, make our own tracks to Broken Hill and finally back to 
Melbourne for another shower....  Take the time to break out your old school 
atlas and have a look...Thousands of km's of desert tracks steeped in 
history...

I'm going to be one happy chappy.

I'm taking the TT600, though I thought about taking either the CR500 or
the KX500....Quite frankly, thousands of km's on a 2 stroke would drive me
crazy...besides, the TT's better on gas...and it won't rattle itself to
pieces..

It's a nice group of family and close friends that we've known for more
years than any of us care to admit..

I'm so eager I could piss myself...oops, I think I just did...

Cheers everyone.
George C.
From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Suzuki PE info needed..
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:26:52 GMT
Organization: CONVEX Computer Pty Limited, Melbourne, Australia
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

> 
> Well I guess I went off the deep end I just aquired a 1982 Suzuki PE175 (Full -
> Floater) it is kind of neglected but I was able to trade an old street bike

	Wow! What a fun bike! '82 model, so it's an X or Z model.

	Basically a stone reliable bike that with a bit of care will give
	you heaps of fun. Great rear suspension (even by todays
	standards), though the front was a bit "iffy". Brakes are only ok.
	Front brake fades quickly and be carefull after going through
	water 'cause they won't work.

	Engine wise, they had little bottom end but once reving, they made
	decent power. Gearbox has a few false neutrals lurking in there,
	but that's life. The gear lever has a habit of working loose and
	stuffing the spline so keep an eye on it. The gear change shaft
	was also weak and would bend with a bit of a hit. I used to
	straighten them in a big vice and it did the job. The exhaust
	chamber had a habit of cracking in any number of places and you
	lost all bottom end power. A good quality after market pipe is
	worth while. Depending on your riding style, a bottom end pipe is
	appropriate.

	Lots of things to fiddle with on a PE, so if you like that sort of
	thing, you'll have a ball.

	Suspension can do with stiffening up, especially now that it's 10
	years old. A couple of 10mm spacers on top of the fork springs
	will help along with 10wt fluid. A good rear shock service and
	re-gas will do wonders. The oil in the rear damper from the
	factory was there just to keep the internals from rusting on the
	boat trip from Japan...Again, depending on your riding style, good
	quality 5wt oil in there will work wonders.

> Ahhh for my old '81 Maico 490  ......(NOT)  

	Yea, and I bet one leg was twice the size of the other eh? Or,
	your foot was always bruised from the kick starter trying to kick
	your foot into orbit.....memories....

	Hey, have fun....take care of those knees though...

	Cheers
	George C.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Re: Front disc guards. . . Braking etc.
Organization: CONVEX Computer Pty Limited, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:28:29 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


> getting any worse on my forks.  Do the front disc guards that are a part
> of some of these do anything worthwhile or should I save a little money
> and just get the plain fork guards?

	I'd go for the disk guard. They do protect the disk from rock
	damage in ruts etc. but can restrict cooling air to the disk and
	caliper. I've never had a front brake fade on me though (except on
	CR500RR..but that didn't have a guard...  ;-).

> have been really thinking about trying his 500 in a motocross race.  The
> question is this: How do you stop the damn thing!  Everytime that I ride this 

	Do I hear the rumblings of a 4st. vs 2st. war in the distance?

	You're a sick puppy.. ;-) ..You're just not used to having the 
	bike move around on you under brakes. It'll out brake and out 
	corner the harder and harder. The thing will
	wash the speed off. As for cornering, you really need to lay the
	CR over. More than your XR. The CR really responds to your body
	movement, so push it down around corners, don't pussy foot around.
	Also, the CR is hapiest when under power...it'll get you over most
	things...It's one bike that the old motto "when in doubt, GAS IT"
	really applies.

	Also, dare I say that on an MX track, the CR will out accelerate
	your XR (even if it doesn't feel like it), so you're going into
	corners just that little bit faster. An interesting aside is that
	in the bush, my TT gets out of corners faster than the CR500 and my
	KX500, but on an MX track,...well it's a different story..

	As for stalling it under brakes...well, you don't need me to tell
	you to pull the clutch in do you.... ;-)   The flywheel on the CR
	has less than 1/2 the rotational inertia of your XR, so it'll
	stall a lot easier...You'll just have to get used to it....Oh yea,
	it's hard coming to grips with no engine braking isn't it?

	Half an hour of practice will have you grining from ear to ear..
	Or, you'll be bleeding from ear to ear...whichever comes first..

	And, if you're not quicker on the CR than the XR on your MX track,
	I'll jump on a plane and give you a smack on the head..alright? ;-^

	Hey, have fun..alright?  I know what you're going through...
	George C.


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: doustou@dg.UUCP (Doustou)
Subject: Re: Unsprung weight?
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 17:26:03 GMT
Reply-To: doustou@dg.UUCP (Doustou)
Organization: Data General

In reference to the flywheel effect of the rear sproket, it's minimal.
An engin mounted flywheel is spinning much faster than the rear wheel.
This causes considerable more inertia for less weight.
From: frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: breakin was: DR350S Report
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:03:04 CDT
Organization: Texas Instruments Component Test Facility

>   1) Break-in.  You're not supposed to rev the thing over 5000 for the
>   first 500 miles!  Hell, 1st gear will do that easy, just climbing a
>   hill.  5K is good for 55 mph on the road tho.  Redline is 9500 rpm.
>   Break-in sucks.  Do new 2-strokes need it much?

    When my entire engine was rebuilt and crank balanced, they
    told me to break it in with half to 3/4 throttle.  NOT!

    Dirt & MX mags say that nowadays no breakin in is needed.
    For the top end, they may be right.  I know that about the time
    my rings break in on the RM, its about time to change them.
    I can tell because it gets sluggish.  So now if I just put
    fresh rings in, I start the bike to make sure I don't have
    any leaks and then thats it.  I dont start the bike again 
    until I roll the bike up to the starting gate.  Man, what
    an increase in HP!  Four to five more times out (practice
    or race) and its time to change them again.  So why bother.

    On a new bottom end I have no idea.  Probably best to take it
    easy for a little while.  

    I'd like to hear some other opinions on 2-stk break in.

    Your strokers worlds different.  The rings I think have to seat
    a little differntly.  So I assume proper breakin may actually
    be required. (To some extent.)
_________________________________________________________________________
mark frampton....O/30 NOVICE   |    You can ride as long as you are alive,
frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com    |      as long as you can take the pain.
                               |  
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
From: garyb@pdx015 (Gary Brown)
Subject: Re: How do I teach the wife to descend?
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 00:46:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.194002.2469@access.usask.ca> donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald) writes:
>tedg@apollo.HP.COM (Ted Grzesik) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Sep1.224953.8631@access.usask.ca>, donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald) writes:
>>|> jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer) writes:
>>|> 	iii) Remember from street riding:  LOTS of the braking power is in the 
>>|> 	     front wheel.  Don't be afraid to use it.
>
>>I would strongly disagree with using the front brake on a steep hill.  This
>>is an easy way to get a close up view of the hill (after flying over the
>>handlebars), with the added fun of having the bike fall on top of you.
>

 I'm surprized that more people haven't commented on this.  I use the front
 brake much more than the back in just about all situations.  One exception
 is hitting the back brake to initiate a slide before cornering.  You
 can use the front brake down steep hills too - keeps you from gaining too
 much speed and having to slide the rear wheel down the hill.  
 
 You need to practice with how much pressure you can apply before the wheel
 slides out on you.  You can usually apply quite a bit of stopping power
 without sliding in most situations if you keep centered over you bike.
 
 When traveling in a straight line (especially) you can really hit the front 
 brake, and even if it does lock up you can slide straight ahead.  I guess 
 it does take some practice but I do it all the time.  If you just rely on
 the back then you won't be nearly as fast charging into corners as the other
 riders.

 The front brake can be your best buddy when that unexpected hazard sneaks
 up on you.  Saves my buns all the time.

 About *really* steep downhills - or if you're inexperienced and just get
 haired out, you can always click your bike into 1st gear, turn off the
 motor, get off and bull-dog it down the hill.  Standing on one side you
 use the front brake with one hand, and let the clutch OUT with the other
 to give you braking on the rear wheel via the clutch/engine compression.  
 Takes a little practice because your hands are working in opposite 
 directions, but it's a good trick to know.
 
 Gary Brown
From: pjgarcia@zeus.calpoly.edu (Paul J Garcia)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: peoples comments
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:59:26 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <1992Sep14.094250.646@skitzo.dseg.ti.com> frampton@skitzo.dseg.ti.com writes:
>> He and his brother were out dirt biking and collided head on.
>> His brother was killed.  My wife wanted to know when I was selling my
>> bike.  

   Although I havn't had to deal with the employer scenario, in respect
to the dangers of riding, I have had experience with both family and
freind's disapproval of the sport.
   After my father died from a heart attack while riding in the mountains
with me, many of my relatives said that I should quit riding because it
is dangerous.  They already had a preconceived notion that riding is
dangerous, even though my father's death was not directly due to riding dirt
bikes.
   Personally, I have had my greatest injuries riding mountain bikes, but
there doesn't seem to be nearly as much public disapproval of mountain
biking as there is of dirt biking.  Crashing on a mountain bike is so
much easier due to the lower mass of the vehical.  And because the amount of
protective equipment that is used is so much less than what is used while
dirt biking, the injuries seem to be more frequent and severe- at least
in my case.
   I also have a freind, who after crashing a moped in his driveway and
doing serious knee damage, tell me that his uncle sold his ATK and got
out of the sport because of his injury.  Again, this accident was not
directly related to dirt biking. 

   I don't plan to get out of the sport any time in the future.  To this date,
my most serious injury riding dirt bikes has been some seriously stubbed toes
from hitting a rock on a mountain trail last weekend.  The force of the
impact was so great that it tore a hole in my boot and mashed the steel
plate at the front of the boot.  Befe I went away to college, I used to
compete in desert races or enduros about twice a month.  The potential
was there to get injured, but I wore extensive protective equipment and rode
smart to avoid the accidents.

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