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From: johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: OAG connections, was Re: here's a stab at a FAQ post
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:08:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: iecc.9204121408.AA11136
Organization: I.E.C.C.

In article <1992Apr11.223533.24422@athena.mit.edu> you write:
>[Skyguide] only lists direct flights while the OAG
>lists MOST connections.

On page 15 of the Pocket OAG it says that the only connections they list
are the ones that the airlines pay them to list.  In fact, all of the
major airlines except Continental do pay for listings, so the connection
listings are pretty good.

But they have a rather comprehensive list of minimum connection times in
the front which, so long as you have a general idea of who has hubs where,
makes it easy to come up with your own connections.  The Pocket OAG
already runs over 500 pages a copy, pretty heavy for a pocket, it's OK with
me that it isn't thicker.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl
From: paul@cs.su.oz (Paul Craig Tyler)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Welcome/etc.
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:54:17 GMT
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia

In article <rqcqmINN4qg@agate.berkeley.edu>
spanga@yocomputo (Span Grad Asst) writes:
>(deleted)
> What is the longest (timewise/distance)
>nonstop air segment on regularly scheduled airlines?
>(deleted)
>Dan Landis (spanga@athena.berkeley.edu)  no sig**

In article <167C11199A.CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>Probably LAX - SYD nonstop on QANTAS or United Airlines. I think
>travelling time is 14 hrs LAX - SYD and about 13 hrs SYD - LAX.
>      Gerald Cheang (chegerh@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu)

I would agree with this.  I think Singapore-London would come a close second.
Australians noticed a big difference with the advent of the 747-400 where
London could be reached in a single stop from Sydney and Melbourne and
the West coast of the U.S. became direct.

In article <1992Apr7.005517.15409@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas) writes:
>
>My dad was on a longer flight...Boston to Detroit...They spent 13 hours on 
>the plane.  Of course, the bad weather and refeulings while waiting for it
>to clear had a lot to do with that...  =)  I guess we're not counting un-
>scheduled delays, though, are we?  :) :)

Ok, if we are going to talk about non-scheduled flights ( ie not meant to
take that long ) I took 16 hours London to Bangkok (4 hours of it on the
ground). The longest direct flight that I know of ( this is not a
regular flight, it has happened only once ) was a Qantas 747-400 doing
London-Sydney direct on delivery.  They only had enough people aboard to fly it,
with their luggage going separately.  I believe this took somewhere around 20
hours.  


--
Paul Tyler       paul@cs.su.oz.au
University of Sydney, Australia
From: trevor@media.mit.edu (Trevor Darrell)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Bouns for joining MileagePlus and flying int'l before June...
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:09:12 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory


I have some coupons for enrolling new members into United's MileagePlus
program that give a 5,000 mile bonus (to both the new member and me) if
the new member takes an international flight before June. If anyone
can make use of one of these coupons, let me know...

--trevor
trevor@media.mit.edu
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From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: Tell you something..
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Distribution: usa
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:13:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.090708.13494@cass.ma02.bull.com> abottone@cass.ma02.bull.com (Alessandro Bottonelli) writes:
>From a slightly european-biased point of view, I would say that the most
>"ecological" means of transportation on the medium range is the TRAIN.
>(Unless, of course there is a significant amount of water between
>point A and pint B!!!)). 

...or of you live in the U.S.of A. ... where there are few trains on a
very large continent.
				reb
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: AMEX SUCKS!  Re: AMEX coupons???
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:37:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr10.003723.22432
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University

In article <1992Apr9.163653.2630@athena.mit.edu>, ngupta@mtl.mit.edu (Nitin Gupta) writes:
<In article <s0mirINNr51@agate.berkeley.edu> dbr@ocf.berkeley.edu (Daniel  
<Rosler) writes:
<
<> Now I, like many other students, have my AMEX card as a second card on
<> my parents' card.  
<
<I think that part of your problem with AMEX stems from your being an  
<additional card member on your parent's cards.

Wrong.  Again, I had a very similar experience, yet my card was my own card.
(In fact, my parents had never had Am"Ex" cards.)

<The fact that you got slack from a senior supervisor  
<surprises me, however.

I got flak at *EVERY* level (and from offices in New York, North Carolina,
and Tennessee.)

					--Scott

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From: philw@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Philip White)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Long Flights
Keywords: hong kong
Date: 15 Apr 92 02:07:16 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

Regarding:

>|> >SFO-HKG		6914 mi		14:50 
>|> >HKG-SFO				11:55

I took the Cathay Pacific LAX-HKG flight in November 1991
(Los Angeles to Hong Kong nonstop).  The route westbound was VERY
far north to avoid the prevailing winds.  A video display, on screen
when there was no movie playing, showed our position, airspeed,
groundspeed, etc.  We came within 150 miles of one of the Aleutian
Islands (Alaska).  Headwinds well over 100 MPH.
 
This flight was definitely longer than SFO-HKG, since we passed
DIRECTLY over downtown San Francisco... well, maybe not downtown,
maybe Golden Gate Park!
 
A rather long flight - they showed 3 movies westbound.  Actual time
in flight - I forget.

      Phil White   Tektronix, Beaverton, OR
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From: jwlin@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan W. Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: California Fares for a poor graduate student
Keywords: Summer travel
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:15:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rqihlINN5mp
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: avalanche.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr6.205526.4345@acsu.buffalo.edu> sanand@acsu.buffalo.edu (Sriram Anand) writes:
>Could some kind soul out there tell me the cheapest fares I could get from
>Buffalo,NY or Toronto to San Francisco ?I intend to travel in june or july.
>I have no idea of the fares and therefore I am posting here.Anybody know any 
>Travel agents who could give me a good deal?
>Thanx in advance.
>
>-- 
>##############################################################################
>Sriram Anand
>910 Furnas Hall
>Email:sanand@autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu OR v999s25k@ubvms.bitnet

Since you're not planning to travel until June, try getting a travel 
certificate for $189 roundtrip from Chase Manhattan. Sign up for their
credit card and you will get the student certificate on USAir.

If there are no pamphlets for the credit card around your school, try calling
1-800-342-9586 (customer service no. on back of card) and ask how a student
can apply for their credit card.

Chase waives the annual fee for the first year, so it won't cost you
anything.

You can also try American Express, but the fee is $55 per year.

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From: cjpaul@bahamas.ece.cmu.edu (Chakkalamattam J. Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Frequent Fliers
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:44:14 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon



Hi!!!!

I am planning to travel from Pittsburgh to India in late summer, and was
wondering which airline to use.  I would like to accumulate those
miles on an airline which has a neat frequent flier program  (Pan Am
had a great one).  Any tips?  

To my knowledge, Delta, Air France, British Airways, Lufthansa, Swiss Air,
Singapore Airlines all fly to Bombay, and some of them supposedly have 
tieups with US airlines for accumulating frequent flier miles.  If anyone
has a FAQ file on frequent flier programs, that would help a lot.


Thanks,
C. J. Paul

cjpaul@bahamas.ece.cmu.edu	"A DEC in the Sun"
 
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Opinions?  What opinions?
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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: Mass Transit and airports (was: Re: O'HARE)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 18:22:54 GMT

In article <54326@hydra.gatech.EDU> glenns@eas.gatech.edu writes:
>Box of jelly donuts says New York will NEVER get trains into the airports....
>the taxi drivers would revolt.  They nearly did here in Atlanta. Then, 
>of course, there's DCA's solution to the political problem:  The Metro
>station is at the airport, all right.  At the other end of the long term
>parking lot.  
>

I thought that the new rebuilding program was going to set the terminal
back into the parking lot so that the Metro station would end up a lot
closer---is this true?

RNA


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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: BUMPS / USAir
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 19:12:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.004149.11123@rice.edu> rbutera@hawk.owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera) writes:
>US Air's biggets eastern hub is Charlotte, NC. I've flown many flights from the
>south and southwest to New England, and almost always went through there.
>I believe Pittsburgh and BWI are also minor hubs for USAir as well.
>

Pittsburgh and Charlotte both have (roughly) the same number of USAir jet
departures/day---around 350 each.

Come October and the opening of the new terminal there, Pittsburgh
will become the premier USAir hub.

Philly has about half the USAir jet departure/day that PIT and CLT have.
Baltimore has even fewer and Indianapolis fewer still.

RNA
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From: omlinc@cs.rpi.edu (Christian Omlin)
Subject: Air travel to Europe
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Computer Science, Troy NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:49:19 GMT

Hi !

I am looking for the best offer (cheap but reliable) for
air travel to Europe. I would prefer to fly from NYC/Boston
to Switzerland (round trip) in September.

If you know of any special discount offers (airline, travel
agency, phone number), I would appreciate if you could reply
to the e-mail address below.

Thanks.

Christian


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From: autry@sgi.com (Larry Autry)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Long Flights.
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:46:32 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, St. Louis, MO

In article <dunbar.702673016@beagle> dunbar@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Scott Dunbar) writes:
>I would have to say that another long flight is
>
>Paris to Papeete on UTA/Air France
>its 24,000 Kilometers Non Stop
>Which translates to 14,880 miles i believe
>
>wow long one
>
>scott
Isn't this the long way around?  I thought that the earth was 25K miles+
around, or 12,500 half way around.  A special reason for using extra fuel?
--
Larry Autry
Silicon Graphics, St. Louis
autry@sgi.com
From: mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Mitja Baumhackl)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Continental & unions
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:13:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rsoo6INNbj9
Organization: University of California at Berkeley, Berkeley, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu
Originator: mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU

Okay, I've received a few pieces of email regarding Continental today
vs. Continental under the helm of Frank (anti-union) Lorenzo.

Lorenzo no longer runs the airline...but aren't there many connections
between former Eastern and Continental?  Any in management?

The one thing that really scares me about flying Continental is the
fact that they're in bankruptcy and might be skimping on maintenance.
While this fear may be unfounded, one only needs to look at what Eastern
airlines did during bankruptcy:

Eastern was found guilty of doctoring maintenance records to make it look
as though they were doing regular repairs.  They were caught and were
fined the largest fine in commerical airline history.  Then, several
months later, they were caught doing it again!

mitja@hera.berkeley.edu
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Airline food
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:25:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr8.002544.15896
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University

In article <rt63aINNees@agate.berkeley.edu>, mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Mitja Baumhackl) writes:
<
<Airline food, a contradiction in terms?  :-)

Airlines shouldn't even bother offering hot food for any flight under
four hours or so.  How many times has the moron sitting next to you said
to a flight attendant, "Excuse me, my meatloaf is cold"?  ("Oh, no problem,
sir; I'll just send it back to the kitchen"?!?!  Come on.)

If you don't like the airline food and you know you'll want to eat something
on the 'plane, take a sandwich with you.

<Any tips?

I'm told that kosher meals are generally good.  Might try that sometime.

What really bothers me is airPORT "food":  expensive and inedible.

					--Scott

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From: mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Continental
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:50:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: gn.1992Apr7.185041.27811
Distribution: rec.travel.air
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <JPY.92Apr7023401@mendelssohn.cs.columbia.edu> jpy@mendelssohn.cs.columbia.edu writes:
>I believe Continental is still in Ch.11, but its
>financial status is actually improving - I've
>flown Continental several time this year and
>the planes are usually quite packed
>

It would be interesting if they manage to make it.  No airline has ever
survived bankruptcy.

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From: johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine)
Subject: Re: Longest Segment (was Welcome/etc.)
Organization: I.E.C.C.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:40:28 GMT

>By noone I meant relatively few carriers for the amount of traffic
>on that route. The reason the route to JHB is expensive is because
>there is little competition

Perhaps, but I expect the real reason is that all of the fares are set by
international treaty and the South Africans don't see any reason to lower
the list prices.  This is typical of international flights almost
everywhere, and is why international tickets can so often be bought for
less than the amount printed on the ticket.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl
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From: llew@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lew Yan Voon)
Subject: Re: Continental Airlines
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:25:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.044408.16043@cs.ucla.edu> tj@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Tom Johnson) writes:
>What's the current fiscal status of Continental?  Are they considered
>prime candidates for bankruptcy?
>
>I ask because I just discovered that for a MKE->LAX roundtrip flight,
>booked 30 days in advance, Easy-Sabre quotes a fare of only $149.  The
>next lowest is $392, on NW, Delta, etc....Any idea why Continental is
>so low in comparison? 
>

i've just read that most airlines are starting to offer a 27 %
discount. so, i expect that flights would be as cheap as they
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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: New Fares Suck
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 16:07:27 GMT


The new highly touted fares that American has introduced suck if you are
a fare-grubber like me.  The NY-LA benchmark is $460 on the 21-day
advance purchase fare.  The cheapest fare used to be $378 or thereabouts.

Luckily America West and Continental may not go along.

RNA
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Braniff experiences?
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:10:36 GMT
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.

In article <1992Apr9.165959.1997@linus.mitre.org> dlb@mitre.org (David L. Baldauf) writes:
>In article <ku46kdINNdvb@news.bbn.com> rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman) writes:
>> Has anyone flown the latest version of Braniff Airlines?
>> Any good or bad experiences to report?

My sister had a similar experience to David Baldouf...  she was coming
back to Newark from   Orlando and when   she  got to  the  airport the
Brannif folks announced that the airplane was not  there, that one may
show up at 2:00am,  and that they had no  more information.  She ended
up paying for a ticket on Continental in order  to get home.  When she
called the FAA (I think it was the FAA) she was told that  Brannif was
"not a scheduled airline."

Nifty, eh?
				reb
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: ngupta@mtl.mit.edu (Nitin Gupta)
Subject: Continental and AMEX : Benefit or bane. WAS: how transferable are they
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:18:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.201643.4949@beach.csulb.edu> bwong@beach.csulb.edu  
(Bradley Wong) writes:
 
> Just a comment, what is Continental trying to do with these vouchers??   
Are
> they just being nice guys to students???  It seems that their gestapo  
tactics
> would make people not want to fly them in the future.  I have never been
> carded by Continental, I have been carded by United when I was using a  
free
> ticket AND it said that ID would be required.  I would be EXTREMELY  
pissed
> if I had to show ID for a Continental flight and didn't have "adequate"  
id
> especially since nowhere on the ticket does it say that I should have ID
> with me.  I have read a few articles about people who tried to transfer 
> tickets to their friends, etc. and having mucho problems.
> Considering the 14 day reservation limit,these people are almost
> flying standby.  Why would they want to have people who are just  
beginning
> their working career (Possible new business travelers) pissed off at
> their company!  Amazing...
> 
> 
> Bradley Wong
> bwong@beach.csulb.edu

In regard to Continental Airlines being nice to students, I think that the  
answer is "yes" and that it is in their best interest. They are basically  
selling seats that would have gone empty in the first place since we  
cannot make reservations until 14 days before departure. So, to them it is  
"win win", but I think that the fault is with American Express.

American Express charges $55 or $75 (I have the Gold Card) annually for  
the "privilege" (NOT) of having the card. Continental should care less  
about tranfering tickets since they will fill the same number of seats.  
However, AMEX will have fewer cardmembers if vouchers were transferable.  
Therefore, I would think that the non-transferable rule is one of AMEX's,  
not Continental.

We have been getting the shaft from AMEX as they have been making the  
travel vouchers less generous since the program began. A coast-to-coast RT  
now basically costs double what it did when the program started with NW a  
few years back.

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From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Pakistani Airlines
Date: 14 Apr 1992 01:36:07 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

In article <92104.191842SXW103@psuvm.psu.edu>, S. Wukovitz <SXW103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> Has anyone ever done business with Pakistani Airlines before?  What
|> were your experiences?  I want to go to and from France, and the best
|> rates I have seen were with these people.
|> 
|> One thing I'm a little cautious about is that my name sounds Jewish
|> (Wukovitz) and I look sort of eastern European--though my family is
|> actually Catholic and I'm not anything :-)  My parents are worried
|> about me travelling on Pakistani airlines with my name the way it is,

I can't imagine why the employees of Pakistani Airlines would care
what your religion is.

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
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From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: Part 1 - N.America Airport Codes sorted by city.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:19:04 GMT

In <pal.703163017@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Peter Loibl) writes:

>Hi folks!

>I am intending to post losts of airport codes from all over the world.

>The list of the Nort American Airport codes contains one error:

>WDH: is Windhoek (Windhuk) - International, in Namibia in Southern
>     Africa (that is what all Airlines say).

>     the list says, that WDH is Daniel Harb, NF what can't be (or is
>     there the same code for two different cities).

>     Please check the code for Daniel Harbor, NF.

This is a preliminary guess (can't imagine how little information on
this Canadian government information officers have) but I think many
of the Canadian places with codes beginning with W are weather
stations only - at least my topographic map for several show no
airport.  WMO in the heading is the World Meteorological Organization
and the list actually appears to be as much a list of weather stations
as a list of airports.  You may have noticed several Canadian places
you never heard of with two codes: one beginning with Y and the other
with W and with the second and third letter the same.  Again I think
(stress on think not know) that the W refers to a weather station.
You may also have noticed that the elevation for the North Bay weather
station is much greater than the eleveation for North Bay airport.
North bay is not in the mountains.  What gives? A fixed weather
balloon?

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