From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: Why are many low-income women fat? (was Re: Separate but Equal?)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:22:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.024702.28703@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes:
>In article <BzML6w.Hxw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:
>>>Wonderful, I am happy for you. I am not fat, and also look a lot younger
>>>than I am (it seems to be about 10-12 years, people often ask when I seem
>>>too knowledgable and experienced my visual age, I have started asking for
>>>their guess as a condition for an answer), so this looks more like a 
>>>matter of genetics. I am curious as to wether it means that one will live
>>>longer as well.
>
>
>	Hate to burst your bubble, but I wouldn't put too much 
>	faith in this "I look younger than I am bit".  *Especially* 
>	if such comments are coming from men.

actually, I suspect you misunderstand the circumstances above. I do not
feel like pasting them in again, feel free to reread.
  
>	Early on, lesse--it must have been 13 or 14 for me--most
>	men learn to li --*always*--to women about certain subjects.

really?

>	Even if the question is asked with a "Tell me the truth"
>	or whatever, the best answer (that is, the only answer) is
>	probably going to be a lie.  Girl younger than 20?  Tell her
>	you thought she was 3 to 8 years older.  Over 30?  Tell her
>	she looks in her twenties.  

they say -everybody- lies about sex.
 
>	What has always gotten me is that people are stupid enough
>	to fall for it.  Not that it's only women who buy into it--
>	lord knows enough of my friends have announced proudly that their
>	girlfriends thought (ha ha) that they were older than they actually
>	are--but the absolute "lowness" displayed tends to be much
>	greater for my female friends.  They'll swallow just about 
>	anything (i.e. "Oh, I thought you were 20!" to a 15 year old..)
>	and then *brag about it* to all of their friends.
> 
>	Generally, I find this good laughing material.  It pisses 
>	me off when people try to pull the same thing with me, and
>	I refuse to answer such questions.
> 
>	Now, if you're hitting that F key to flame me and tell me that
>	men shouldn't be lying in these situations, I put forth
>	two truths:

so that's what the F key is about...  :^}
  
>	1) Women say the same things to men.  Both sexes play the 
>	game not just with age, but with looks ("Oh, I'd never want
>	someone like *that*"), fashion ("that looks great on you!") 
>	personality (you're so interesting, so funny, so deep, whatever)
>	and so on.
> 
>	2) Women (people, actually) who pose such questions as 
>	 "How old do I _really_ look?" are *begging* to be lied
>	to.  Truth is not expected.  Just try answering one of these
>	nitwits honestly and see what kind of answer you get.

what about when others ask how old you are, rather than teling you
how old you look?
  
>	Fact is, people DO, with *very few exceptions* (supermodels
>	come to mind) look their age.  Anyone who tells you otherwise,
>	carefully consider (that is, honestly consider) how honest
>	that statement is.

You are forgetting movie stars, who spend a great deal of time, effort,
and money on maintaining their appearance. With the possible exceptions
of Columbo and Roxanne that is. :^)
 
>>Of course not. But I understand from sci.math that appearance
>>discrimination against women *is* an issue. This newsgroup carried a
>>posting from a male mathematician. He was *extremely* upset, because,
>>in his role of evaluating job applications, he had received a
>>letter from a colleague, asking him to take on the "mission" of
>>finding out whether a female mathematician was cute or not!

Mixed attributes here..., actually above, but lenore did make a
similar statement. 

Was this for a job interview or job related? Or because someone was
interested in meeting someone else?
 
>	The same occurs for men.  It is well known that
>	appearance has a great deal of affect on how well one
>	succeeds in life.  It's not a discrimination thing, it's
>	a human thing.  As far as I can tell, the only way to 
>	solve it would be to put everyones eyes out at birth.
>	
>	We judge *everything* by appearance--not just people.  Most
>	people eat attractively prepared food despite the fact that

How does one get judged on the net, by the appearance of the text?
 
>	it has little or nothing to do with taste or flavor (which
>	is clearly more important).  People prefer attractively styled
>	furniture no matter how much more comfortable ratty looking
>	chair might be.  
>
>-- 
>	"If you can't eat sand, why the hell are you living in a desert?"
>
>	     Rule 1:  "Don't have more children than you can feed."
>	  	  Nuclear redevelopment for a better world!


Rich

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