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From: burati@apollo.hp.com (Michael Burati)
Subject: Re: Solo Sailor Missing
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:40:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA
Keywords: epirb
Followup-To: sender

In article <1992Nov17.145902.27644@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson) writes:
>>A brief report in the Washington Post this past Sunday noted that Mike Plant
>>and his boat Coyote were missing in the North Atlantic.  He was in transit from
>>New York to Les Sables d'Olonne France in preparation for the start of the
>>Vendee Globe Challenge race.  Does anyone have any more information on this?
>>
>   Shouldn't Coyote have an Argos transponder? I would think that this
>would have given search crews a good place to start looking. If Coyote
>had gone down, the Argos would have stopped transmitting, and the life
>raft with 406 MHz Epirb should have automatically deployed. I doubt
>that the weak, unregistered signal described could have been from
>Coyote. I would think that a registered, functioning Epirb was required
>by the race rules, and Plant or his team would have seen to it.

I read the Boston Globe article about this...  I don't believe he had an Argos,
just an EPIRB.  The Canadian CG didn't forward the information on, because the
signal was too weak to pinpoint the location, and the EPIRB they picked up was
not registered.  The USCG found out about Plant being overdue and about the
unregistered EPIRB, then somehow Plant's family found the EPIRB# from the
company that sold it to him and matched it up with the unregistered one that
the Canadian CG had heard.  Personally, I would hope someone with Mike's
experience would have registered it, but I also wouldn't put it past the FCC
to not have processed the application yet.  I used their order line to get
a station license for my VHF last year (in July).  They finally sent me the
order form in October, then took another several months after I sent it in to
get the license back to me.

..Mike
burati@apollo.hp.com
From: robb@tfs.com (Not a tty)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Information wanted on Living Aboard Magazine
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:36:29 GMT
Organization: TRW Financial Systems

In article <168A57019.STU@mwvm.mitre.org> STU@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
> 
>        Title:  Living Aboard Magazine
>
>different name.  I, also, am interested in the Living Aboard information
>and would appreciate subscription information if someone could post.  /Stu

Please post this information to the net.  I would interested to hear the 
opinions of others regarding this magazine.

-- 
Robb Kane (robb@tfs.com) | Triarchy - 1: government by three persons   2: a 
TRW Financial Systems    | country under three rulers   3: A large, elegant,
Berkeley, California     | full keeled sailing vessle so named for its crew.
From: paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: boat drinks
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:27:19 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

>As a passing reference, I recently saw a TV program about the Carribean where
>grog was said to be the acronym for 'Good Rum Of Grenada'. Anybody know if
>this is true? I.e. when did the Royal Navy start to use the term 'grog'?

It's false.  Grog is named after a certain Captain Grog whom was
the first to cut the rum ration cuz he didn't want his crew too
drunk to do battle.  The name was given to the beverage by the
crew, and it wasn't an endearment. BTW, the "Naval Rum" of those
days was 190 proof.

-rcf
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: whoward@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (Will Howard)
Subject: Re: Solo Sailor Missing
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:38:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.145902.27644@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.032111.21359@iplmail.orl.mmc.com>
watson@racerx.bal.mmc.com (Dave Watson) writes:
>>A brief report in the Washington Post this past Sunday noted that Mike Plant
>>and his boat Coyote were missing in the North Atlantic.  He was in transit
from
>>New York to Les Sables d'Olonne France in preparation for the start of the
>>Vendee Globe Challenge race.  Does anyone have any more information on this?
>>
>
>   This is pretty awful news. I met Mike Plant last year at the Newport
>sailboat show (before they decided to combine sail and power). Although
>we only spoke for a few minutes, I found myself liking him a lot both for
>his achievments and his friendly, "common man" personality. I'd hate to
>think he's been lost at sea.
>   Shouldn't Coyote have an Argos transponder? I would think that this
>would have given search crews a good place to start looking. If Coyote
>had gone down, the Argos would have stopped transmitting, and the life
>raft with 406 MHz Epirb should have automatically deployed. I doubt
>that the weak, unregistered signal described could have been from
>Coyote. I would think that a registered, functioning Epirb was required
>by the race rules, and Plant or his team would have seen to it.
>   I'd prefer to think that Coyote was dismasted or knocked down and 
>Plant is alive and well and still with her, either erecting a jury rig
>or awaiting rescue. I hope this is true...

 The New York Times article from Sunday 11/15 said that the EPIRB had NOT been
registered at all. Apparently in the rush to get the boat ready this was a
detail that was overlooked. I don't know if the EPIRB is required or not. I
agree with you that boats doing this type of sailing should have ARGOS
transponders, but they apparently are also not required. My understanding of
EPIRBs is that the signals are supposed to be picked up by aircraft, which
report the signal (to the Coast Guard? I don't know to whom). The longer the
aircraft can hold the signal and/or the more planes pick it up, the better the
chances of a good fix on location. Anybody else out there know more about the
details of EPIRBs?

P.S. As of today niether Plant nor his boat had been located, according to the
NY Times, despite several search missions by US aircraft. Let's keep hoping...

P.P.S. A logical addition to EPIRBs, I would think, would be an integral GPS
receiver. This would allow the EPIRB to transmit its location. Has this been
done?
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Newsgroups: rec.boats

When I was in the Canary Islands a few years ago I talked to several
people who had boats there and were just pottering around the world
(just how do people find the time and money to do that?)  Those who
had wooden boats were pretty much in agreement that when you sail long
distances, you spend about half your time doing maintenance on the
boat (especially the hull) and half your time sailing.

However, I would make one observation.  I spent almost two weeks in
that marina getting a boat ready to cross the pond so I had a good
opportunity to observe these people working on their hulls.  It was
done on a "scrape for 30 minutes:drink beer and shoot the bull for 60
minutes" type of schedule.  I have read that people who cruise for
long distances often stay in port much longer than they really *need*
to because they enjoy the relaxation--a mild form of sea-going
lethargy kicks in.  So maybe that is what I was observing.  Certainly,
none of these intrepid mariners seemed that anxious to get back to
sea.

When I pulled into the Cape Verde Islands after the first leg of my
trip, there were about 20 boats there all waiting to set off on the
next leg of their trips.  No-one seemed to be very sure where they
were going next or when they were going to leave; neither could they
claim that they were doing maintenance on their boats.  I was there
for only 36 hours, and none of them left during that time.
B.S!

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: mroberts@ptdcs2.intel.com (Mark Roberts ~)
Subject: Re: Outboard Problems
Organization: Intel Corporation -- Aloha, Oregon
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:22:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.145055.15383@zehntel.com> mikeg@zehntel (Mike Goldstein) writes:
>I am having a problem with a 1981 Evinrude 140 (non-VRO).
>It starts fine, runs okay, accelerates fine, but after a few
>seconds at high speed it drops dead - doesn't run rough or cough, 
>just stops cold. It restarts fine. 
>Any ideas? I suspect the fuel pump. I was alone with it so I couldn't
>pump the primer bulb while it was running to test this theory. What
>else should I look for?? The boat is drydocked now until spring.
>
>
>thanks-
>mike goldstein
>

Hi Mike,

If you haven't done so yet, check the fuel filter. Not extactly sure where
it would be on a 140h.p.  On my 50h.p. Evinrude there was one on the side
of the carb ... take out three screws and clean the screen.  I believe my
1989 vintage 88h.p. Evinrude has the same set up.  They run fine until
you pour the coals to it but as soon as you hit high R.P.M. for a few
seconds the engine dies for lack of fuel.

Good luck. Hope you figure it out.

					Fish to Live, Live to Fish
					   'Fish Assassin' Mark 
					     Pacific City, OR
From: mpeter@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Margot Peter)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Solar Still
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:46:22 GMT
Reply-To: mpeter@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: oavax.csuchico.edu

Wanted: Solar still or information on where we can get one. It's the watermaker
used by Steven Callahan in the book "Adrift" I believe it's made in the UK.
Distributor in the US was Halcyon, Inc. in Annapolis, but they no longer seem
to exist. West Marine doesn't have them, even though it's listed in the
catalogue. Any ideas?
Margot
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: guido@blink.att.com (Guido Bertocci)
Subject: Re: Tuff Luff and other headstay foils
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:59:52 GMT

tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes:

>In <1992Nov13.185255.4694@ttinews.tti.com> scott@soldev.tti.com (Scott Taylor) writes:
>>I am afraid that you know not of what you speak. When sailing bare headed
>>you lose both boat speed and pointing ability. On a large boat, where a 
>>headsail change will take 3-5 minutes with hanks, you could easily lose
>>30-40 boat lengths.

I've crewed on a C&C 35 with hanks and it never took us that long to
change head sails.  Our procedure involved undoing the lower hanks
on the jib that is still up,  attaching the new jib in the space vacated
by the current jib hanks.  When the new one was completely attached, the
old one was "de-hanked" as it came down.  As soon as old one was completely
off the new one was hoisted.  Hoisting a hanked sail is very fast.
We were probably completely without headsail for only 15-20 seconds.
While this boat was relatively low tech with a lousy handicap we often beat 
much faster boats by not screwing up boat handling and paying attention
to tell tales and wind shifts.  We also ate real well since
we made good food a priority :-).
From: vatne@alcatel.no (Lars Vatne)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: boat drinks
Date: 16 Nov 92 08:56:27 GMT
Organization: Alcatel STK A/S

In article <28169@castle.ed.ac.uk>, wex@castle.ed.ac.uk (John Wexler) writes:
|> If you follow this recipe, do not imagine that you are serving grog, and
|> don't blame the Royal Navy for any disappontment.  To make grog, you
|> do indeed let down the rum with an equal amount of water, but you have
[45dd]
As a passing reference, I recently saw a TV program about the Carribean where
grog was said to be the acronym for 'Good Rum Of Grenada'. Anybody know if
this is true? I.e. when did the Royal Navy start to use the term 'grog'?
Sir Francis Drake was sailing around the Carribean around 1550 - 1575
(If I remember correctly) - did Grenada have its present name then? Is
the word 'grog older than this?

-- 
Lars Vatne                     Phone  : +47 2 63 76 51    
Engineering Division           Fax    : +47 2 63 84 97  
Alcatel Telecom Norway AS      e-mail : lars.vatne@alcatel.no
From: mcdonald@acf3.nyu.edu (mcdonald)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: wanted tow vehicle
Summary: wanted tow vechile
Keywords: wanted tow vehicle
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:14:59 GMT
Organization: New York University

Please send info about any low mileage (less than 30,000) van in good to
very good condition capable of towing a 3000 pound boat plus trailer
long
distances.
               email to mcdonald@acf3.nyu.edu

ps vehicles for sale in northeast USA with reasonable prices.

		Thank you,

			Jeff
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: NewZealand info
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:27:58 GMT

Well, I'm leaving Saturday for the South Pacific.  I will be in
the Solomon Isles until Dec 23rd, when I head over to New Zealand
for 3 weeks of paddleing.

I have left a compressed tar file on my machine available via
anonymous ftp, containing alot of information I have gathered.

I would like to give special thanks to Gary Turner & Mike Savory
who live in New Zealand, and helped me quit a bit via E-mail.

I will update this information when I return and maybe post some
sort of trip report.  Until January 19th, happy skiing.

--Chris

ftp chinook.atd.ucar.edu
anonymous

cd pub/NZ
bin
get NZ.tar.Z
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: INPUT 2 CENTS WORTH!
From: shaw+@CS.CMU.EDU (Mary Shaw)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:11:30 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

Your address is in Kansas.  Are you looking for a sport for local
day or evening trips, or are you looking for a sport for vacations?

I've never paddled in Kansas, but I've spent a couple of delightful
weeks in Missouri, mostly on scenic rivers like Jack's Fork and Currant.
This is cruising, up to perhaps class I-II.  For this kind of kayaking,
you'd probably look for a sea kayak.

However, you mentioned rafting as the reason you'd like to start
kayaking.  It may be tough to find convenient access to that sort
of river near where you live

So .. if you're interested in something you can do close to home, my
advice is to hook up with your local paddling club.  They probably have
an instructional program, they certainly know where the best water is
locally, they know local sources for equipment, and you'll find people
to paddle with.  This is a way to find not only the skills but also
the company for years of recreation.  It probably means sea kayaking
(which also includes flatwater rivers).

On the other hand, if you're looking for something that involves a lot
of travel to get to the rivers, then look into one of the good paddling
schools.  They'll have rental equipment.   Other messages have addressed
the hard vs inflatable question.

You can, of course, do both ...

Good luck!

Mary Shaw
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: yah@site.here.com (td)
Subject: Re: squirt boat + info
Keywords: squirt
Organization: None
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:10:11 GMT


Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: bryan@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Bryan L. Allen)
Subject: Re: shark attack on kayak
Followup-To: rec.boats.paddle
Summary: Color may be a factor, but there are others, too
Keywords: sharks yellow zebra Dowd snacks munch-munch
Organization: Telos Corp., Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:56:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.222857.8196@PA.dec.com> rah@rampart.pa.dec.com (Robert Holt) writes:
>I read about the attack on the sea kayaker off Ano Nuevo Is.
>Fortunately he wasn't hurt, but I understand that the kayak
>was holed.
>
>What precautions can be taken short of giving up the sport?
>Is there a color or combination of colors which would make a
>kayak look less like prey?

Sharks detect prey with a variety of sensory inputs (including a
resistive (electrical) sense); sight is used only if water clarity
facilitates it and only during 'final approach' as it were. Their
vision (in most species) is good, but the rest of their sensory
'bag of tricks' is in total rather amazing/awesome. And Great Whites
have gotten used to pretty much getting their way for tens of millions
of years. So I doubt there is some sort of 'magic bullet' solution.

Anecdotally, though, John Dowd in his book "Sea Kayaking" mentions
that shark researchers found that sharks preferred a color they
dubbed "yum-yum yellow" which is the same color as that used for
emergency life vests and life rafts (a grisly legacy of WWII?). He
also mentions some evidence that they shy away from objects painted
in wide swaths of alternating black and white (hmm, sounds like the
color scheme of an orca). So if I ever get a Tsunami X-1 it will
probably be white with black stripes on the bottom. The TV news report
I saw concerning this incident showed gashes in an orange boat. Do
sharks like oranges?

Another poster mentioned that the best avoidance procedure is to
avoid areas with high concentrations of sea lions. I concur. The
problem is, there are lower concentrations of sea lions all up and
down the Pacific Coast of the US.

A sea lion surfaced next to me on Sunday. It was heading up the
coast, I was going the other way. It took a breath, glanced my
way, and dived back underwater. It didn't look too worried. My
Prism is a bilious green, kind of like a 14-foot-long Granny
Smith. Do sharks like apples?

Ah, well. Back to lunch (chomp, chomp).

>/*-------------------------------------------------------+
> | Robert Holt - Digital Equipment Corp - Palo Alto, CA. |
> | Internet: rah@rampart.pa.dec.com                      |
> | UUCP:     ...!decwrl!rah                              |
> | DECnet:   TENAYA::RAH                                 |
> |                                                       |
> | "Conquer Tyrants. Fight Devils."                      |
> |                                                       |
> | Standard Disclaimers Apply...                         |
> +-------------------------------------------------------*/


-- 
            Bryan L. Allen       bryan@devvax.jpl.nasa.gov
            Telos Corp./JPL      (818) 306-6425
From: wegeng.henr801c@xerox.com
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.boats.crew
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:37:00 GMT
Organization: Xerox
Originator: wegeng@ogre

In article <1ec8ajINNjf2@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan) writes:
>I hope that the language encourages flatwater
>canoeing/kayaking posts as there is a great deal in common as far as
>training tips, boat care/repair, transport, safety, etc.

I hope not.  Flatwater canoeing/kayaking is already covered
by rec.boats.paddle.  There's no reason to move it to another
newsgroup, and we certainly don't need overlap between newsgroups.
(The commonality between whitewater and flatwater canoeing/kayaking should
be obvious.)

/Don
wegeng.henr801c@xerox.com
From: HF.RXF@forsythe.stanford.edu (Robin Warfield)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Drytop Recommendations
Date: 17 Nov 1992 16:41:37 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

A few weeks ago, someone posted inquiring about dry top
recommendations!  Nothing was really posted in reply (probably to
the author personally) so I am going to ask the same question...

I am in the market for a drytop!  I am looking at the Nude-X but am
a bit weary of the exposed neck gasket.  I am afraid it will get
dried out and crack rather quickly after being in the sun.  The
other drytop made by Stohlquist (the Txartus) looks like the lined
neck collar would be too bulky when wearing a PFD and helmet.

Any comments or recommendations would be greatly appreciated!!!

Thanks in advance!

robin
From: dickman@ecst.csuchico.edu (Bob Dickman)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: shark attack
Keywords: sea kayaking, shark attack
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:01:59 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

From the Sacramento Bee, 17 November 1992:

ANO NUEVO - Ken Kelton says it will be awhile before he really realizes how 
close he came to being lunch for a great white shark that chomped on his
kayak for an appetizer.

"Probably when I get back in the water I'll be scared," the 46-year-old San
Franciscan said.  "In the meantime, I'm going to hang on to this denial as
long as I can." 

Kelton and a friend almost became shark bait Saturday afternoon about 200 yards
from shore near Ano Nuevo State Reserve, about 40 miles south of San Francisco.

"At first I thought I had been bumped by a sea lion," Kelton said.  "But when 
it didn't let go, I had a pretty good idea what was going on."

Kelton was attacked from behind and could not see the shark.

But his friend Mike Chin saw the whole thing.  He told Kelton the shark had
two-thirds of its body out of the water when it attacked, and that it was at
least 2 feet longer than Kelton's 12-foot kayak.  

"If I had seen him, I probably wwould have fainted dead away," Kelton said.  
"As it was, I was just trying to stay in the kayak.  No way did I want to have 
to swim for it."

The shark thrashed the kayak about 10 seconds, leaving teeth marks 16 inches
across, before letting go.  Kelton and Chin did not waste any time escaping
toward shore.

"There is nothing more fundamental than the fear of being eaten alive by a
large carnivore," Kelton said.  "I was paddling at a pretty good clip."

On the way back, Kelton said, he felt the shark was following him and worried
about the water pouring in through the holes the big fish chomped in the boat.

Back on land, Kelton had a new worry.  Chin, he said, had asked him about the
dangers of shards and he "just laughed it off."

-- 
Bob Dickman                 --------- __o       __o       __o       __o
dickman@ecst.csuchico.edu   ------- _`\<,_    _`\<,_    _`\<,_    _`\<,_
California State University ------ (*)/ (*)  (*)/ (*)  (*)/ (*)  (*)/ (*)
Chico, CA                   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: Andrew Lang <lang@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:43 PST
Subject: Re: INPUT 2 CENTS WORTH!
Nf-ID: #R:1992Nov16.054253.44814@kuhub.cc.:305420102:cdp:1450000013:000:1047
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!lang    Nov 16 15:43:00 1992


Chad, I think the way to get into the sport is to sign up for 
lessons with a local outfitter or kayak scOutfitters
generally will let you use one of their boats, plus helmet,
sprayskirt and paddle, as part of the fee. Then you can learn
something about equipment, experiment with different boats, and
get your instructor's opinion about which boat you should
eventually buy.

It's an expensive sport, unfortunately. You can buy a sturdy used
boat for about $300, a sprayskirt for about $50 to $75, a paddle 
for $80 to $125, helmet for $30 to $50. These are your essentials.
For cold-water paddling you need to think about a wet or dry suit,
neoprene booties and gloves.

New kayaks can cost anywhere between $700 and $1200. For entry-
level paddling I'd recommend a simple roto-molded plastic boat:
several companies make designs that are good, and you will see
discussion about various types of boats from time to time on this
newsgroup. But my advice is to take lessons and try different 
boats before you begin to spend a lot of money.

Andy
From: Andrew Lang <lang@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:45 PST
Subject: Re: INPUT 2 CENTS WORTH!
Nf-ID: #R:1992Nov16.054253.44814@kuhub.cc.:305420102:cdp:1450000014:000:77
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!lang    Nov 16 15:45:00 1992


Oooops, I forgot to mention a PFD! Essential, and required by the
law.

Andy