From: dgross@zeus.calpoly.edu (Dave Gross)
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity,alt.dads-rights,alt.feminism,alt.missing-kids,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.politics.sex,soc.women,soc.men,talk.abortion,talk.rape
Subject: Proposal for reorganization of gender-issue groups
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:10:41 GMT
Followup-To: alt.abortion.inequity,alt.feminism,alt.politics.sex,soc.women,soc.men
Organization: Manumission:  The Campus Men's Forum

There has been some talk lately of trying to reorganize soc.men into
some sort of men-only group, and there are perpetually postings
wondering why there are so many men in soc.women and whether there
should be a group for only women.  In general, people are upset at the
amount of cross-posting and flames.

The following groups currently touch on issues commonly brought up in
soc.men and soc.women:

	alt.abortion.inequity
	alt.dads-rights
	alt.feminism
	alt.missing-kids
	alt.politics.homosexuality
	alt.politics.sex
	soc.feminism (moderated)
	soc.women
	soc.men
	talk.abortion
	talk.rape

I've been thinking about this, and trying to come up with a solution or
at least a proposal that minimizes the number of new newsgroups floating
around but still satisfies those of us looking for change.  I'm not sure
how practical my proposals are, so I'm mostly throwing them out for
further discussion.  Here is how I would reorganize the groups:

	alt.dads-rights

	I would keep this group as-is.  It is important for those who
are specifically interested in fathers' rights issues, but don't care to
wade through Mbytes of circumcision and selective service arguments.
Possibly change to talk.politics.fathers

	alt.missing-kids

	Unchanged from the current alt.missing-kids

	alt.politics.homosexuality

	Unchanged from the current alt.politics.homosexuality

	soc.feminism (moderated)

	Unchanged from the current soc.feminism, followups set to
soc.feminism.d

	soc.feminism.d

	This would replace alt.feminism as an unmoderated place to
discuss issues raised in soc.feminism and as a place to discuss issues
relating to feminism in general.

	soc.manumission (moderated)

	Analogous to soc.feminism, this would be a moderated group for
posting news and thoughtful analysis of men's issues.  Followups
regularly set to soc.men, alt.dads-rights or soc.feminism.d.  I forsee this
group as one of fairly low traffic.

	soc.men

	Posters would encourage a man-friendly atmosphere and refer
debates and flames and acrimonious discussion of feminism to
soc.feminism.d or alt.flame.

	soc.women

	Posters would encourage a woman-friendly atmosphere and refer
debates and flames and acrimonious discussion of feminism to
soc.feminism.d or alt.flame.

	talk.abortion

	Unchanged from the current talk.abortion (I'm not about to
tackle this tar baby)

	talk.choice.men

	Replaces alt.abortion.inequity, putting this group on the same
classification level as talk.abortion.  The purpose of this group would
be to debate reproductive rights for men.  This group would substitute
for the discussion of this topic in soc.men (like talk.abortion and
talk.rape substitute for the discussion of those issues in soc.women)
so cross-posting from this group to soc.men would be discouraged.

	talk.politics.sex

	Would replace alt.politics.sex and would be a place to discuss
pre-coital contracts, pornography, prostitution, sodomy laws, etc.
	
	talk.rape

	Unchanged from the current talk.rape

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