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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: SPOILER? - Shapeshifter in "The Undiscovered Country"
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:18:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.190533.18246@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gdearing@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gregory D Dearing) writes:




>
>Dunno if it's considered a spoiler a year later, but does anyone know the
>race of the shapeshifter that tries to kill Kirk on Rura Pente (sp?).

Kirk refers to her (him? it?) as a Chameloid. However, it may be a Chameloid
in the same way that humans are humanoids.

So, Chameloid may be the name of its race, but it also may just be a 
description of the type of life-form it is.


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From: drue@citi.umich.edu (Chris Tanis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Picard's Family...
Date: 8 Jan 1993 14:04:51 GMT
Organization: IFS Project, University of Michigan
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Could someone please tell me the name of Picard's
brother, sister-in-law and nephew?

Thank you, thank you, thank you. :)


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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: speed of spacecraft
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:04:53 EST

 -=> James Yaklin babbled to All and look what he/she said! <=-

 JY> I noticed in DS9 that when Sisko and Dax were traveling through the
 JY> wormhole Dax referred to the ship's velocity as "80 kph."  I also
 JY> remember in a TNG episode that Riker referred to the speed of the
 JY> Enterprise in the same manner.  Are they referring to kilometers per
 JY> hour?  If so, that is awful slow for a spacecraft?  If not, what are
 JY> they referring to?

Uh, yes, 80 kph stands for 80 kilometres per hour.  Geez, Americans 
these days...  :-)


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From: osyjm@cs.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen)
Subject: MAJOR FTP CHANGE --- READ THIS -------------------------
Organization: CS
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:44:43 GMT



I have made arrangements with UUNET to make the ftp'able version of
the guide available on UUNET.  Essentially, I will make the formatted
guide here, put it in my ftp archive, and UUNET will mirror it within
the next day or so at their main ftp machine.

The machine is ftp.uu.net, an address that works is 192.48.96.9, but is
not necessarily the best or only one.

Advantages:

1)  ftp.uu.net's main purpose in life is to serve as a repository for ftp'able
info every where.  UUNET Technologies is the largest news provider site
in the country.  UUNET also is establishing their own network, I think
it's called 'Alternet', which will have POP's in a lot of major cities.  
These guys understand FTP/TCP-IP/USENET and near 100% uptime... :)

2)  24 hour a day access.  ftp.uu.net is able to handle a huge amount of
traffic.  They have nice fast lines, and can support both a much larger
volume of ftp traffic than I can, and more simultaneous users.  As you
are certainly aware, I have had to limit access to the archive, and since
the machine here is used for other things, it's frequently unavailable.

3)  I will post to rec.arts.startrek.something when the guide is available
at UUNET, not when I make it available here, just to help keep the traffic
down.

4)  The startrek GIF's will end up there as well.

Disadvantages:

I can't think of any off hand.

---------


A big thanks to UUNET for allowing me to do this.  It probably wouldn't
hurt, the next time you retrieve a copy of the guide, to drop them a 
note thanking them.  Something to postmaster@uunet.uu.net would 
probably be best.


---------

And last but not least, there's a couple minor details to be finished in
this setup, and then we'll be ready to cruise.  The new version of the
guide is formatted, and ready to go, but will not be available until it's
on UUNET.  I expect that to happen within the next couple of days.

Watch r.a.s.misc, and r.a.s.info for more details.
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From: A.M.T.Bell@daresbury.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell,G2,3123,homephone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: test
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:18:01 GMT
Reply-To: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

1,2,3 testing
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (just another theatre geek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Ethics and Holodeck
Date: 11 Jan 1993 23:04:35 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <C0pLvI.7Fy@acsu.buffalo.edu> lamanna@acsu.buffalo.edu (Michael Lamanna) writes:
>gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan6.134600.12682@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot) writes:
>>>In article <1id0qrINNoa1@shelley.u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
>>>>In article <1993Jan5.212745.4402@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot) writes:
>>>>	I wouldn't. There's a thing called intent.
>>>	Intent?
>>	Yup. In order to be a crime, there has to be intent.
>	BBBUUUUZZZZZZZZ wrong answer, but thanks for playing.
>	A crime is defined as something that is breaking the law. 

	And intent is very clearly part of the law.

>Imvoluntary manslaughter is a crime and there was never intnent.

	Yes, it is. Look up reckless disregard, etc.

>>>	If I was to push a the example a little further, if someone
>>>has been fantasizing about having sex with a co-worker and forces the
>>>latter into a sexual encounter without consent, but doesn't think of
>
>	What world do you live in?
>	If the other person was not consenting to it then it is rape.
>The law is very clear on this.  No means no.

	Feh. Knee-jerk ideology.

	The law is NOT clear about this--how could it be?
-- 
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Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW, Uncle Bonsai Memorial Fan Club
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
From: ngustas@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Ongoing ST Parody on WDRE
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:05:09 EDT
Organization: Hampshire College
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While we're on the topic of Star Trek parodies, there's a brilliant one that's
on New York radio station WDRE (92.7 - the Philly sattelite is, I believe,
100.3).  Every week, they have a new episode of it;  it's called Star Drek.
It has apparently been running for 5 years, because my friend used to hear
it on his way to work when he worked in northern NJ.  I would sum it up for
you, but you just have to hear it.  Try and listen - they broadcast new
episodes at 7:30am on Monday and Thursday - just heard one today.  If my
brain is working properly next week, I'll tape it and then give y'all a
transcript.
Anyone else listen to this besides me?
As always,
Gabrielle de Lioncourt
ngustas@hamp.hampshire.edu
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From: burkhard@skink.cis.ohio-state.edu (Michael Burkhardt)
Subject: Re: STARDATES : TNG
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:47:48 GMT

Carl Mackin (cmackin@bu.edu) wrote:
: In DC Comics ... Star Trek : The Next Generation  Issue 36 Aug 92,
: page 27...
: They state that
: >Heres how stardates work only *for* ST:TNG.
: 
: They use "Yesterday's Enterprise" for an example...
: >stardate 43625.2
: >4 means the 24th century
: >3 means the season
: >625 means the day of the year
: >.2 means the tenth of the day

Am I misunderstanding something, or is the season digit redundent?  After
all, the stardate includes the number of the day of the year?  Shouldn't
we be able to tell, by looking at the stardate, that day #625 is in the
3rd season of the year?  (like knowing that july is in the summer?)

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From: cmackin@bu.edu (Carl Mackin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Guinan and Picard
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:32:11 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Does anyone, know if they will ever develop the story of
the relationship that Picard and Guinan share?

Mac

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From: ACUS05@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Paul Anderson)
Subject: Re: Colm Meaney on Dr. Quinn
Organization: Motorola
Date: 6 Jan 1993 13:14:48 MST

Siobahn Morgan (morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu) writes:

>Colm Meaney was in the two hour premier of Dr Quinn Medicine Woman, the new
>Jane Seymour series on CBS.  He was the Barbar/Dentist/Surgeon.  Since the
>show really sucked, I don't know if he is still on it, or whether they
>killed him off or what.

The pilot for Dr Quinn - Medicine Woman was done over a year ago.  The
Network held up the release of the show.  The character he played is
still part of the show, just a new actor.  Meaney played the role
better (truly unbiased).

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From: "paul manson" <paul.manson@canrem.com>
Subject: wutv emissary sunday pm
Reply-To: "paul manson" <paul.manson@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:12:16 EST

Cross-posted to all Trek / TNG / DSN conferences

Notice to all Toronto - Buffalo Trekkers and Trekkies

Be aware WUTV is re-running
                 ^^^^^^^^^^
DSN Emissary Sunday, January 10, 1993 at 1:00 p.m.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Maybe there won't be the high pit squeal (open mike???) this time.

LL&P P&LL

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From: paul.parkhurst@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Parkhurst) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: THINGS...
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:33:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: paul.parkhurst@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Parkhurst) 

   Out of curiosity....

   Does anyone know if the Hallmark "Galilleo 7" Christmas ornaments
(you know, the one with Spock saying "Happy Holidays") has gone up in
value yet?  I know the February after the Enterprise ornament came out,
it was already up to $65... last con I went so, I saw them going for
$150 (no way I'd sell the one I have, though).
                                
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From: CXMP <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: RE: Ethics and Holodeck
Organization: McGill University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:19:21 GMT

In article <6JAN93.14305288@vax.clarku.edu> lfinkelstein@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>>>In article <1993Jan5.212745.4402@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot) writes:
>>>> You know, I just thought of something to add to the
>>>>thread...What if someone was engaged in a little fantasy such as the
>>>>one we've been discussing and then the *real* person enters the
>>>>Holodeck.  Bothe occupants wander around and run into one another.
>>>>The person who programmed the Holodeck would think that the real
>>>>person was only a simulacrum.  What would be the result of such an
>>>>encounter??  I would call it rape.
>
>I guess it would depend on a couple of things.  I imagine that the person
>who programmes the holodeck would notice that it was resisting, and realize
>that something was wrong before going any further.  Especially when the other
>person (who is supposed to be a simulacrum) fights back, and doesn't have any
>failsafe mechanism, like the holodeck does.  The only way such a situation
>could occur would be if the programmer programmed the holodeck for a rape
>fantasy, and if the victim didn't resist hard enough to hurt the programmer.
>
I agree completely.  Personally, I think the original poster's
facination with this thread is unhealthy.

>Assuming that this is the case, it still depends.  What kind of privacy
>mechanism exists on the holodeck?  If anyone can just walk in, then the
>programmer would have to be much more responsible, but if there is some "do
>not disturb" sign, then he might not be so responsible.  Here is a similar
>situation.
>
>I come home one night, and go up to bed.  My wife is already asleep, so I
>don't turn on the lights.  Now my wife likes to be "resistant" in bed.  When I
>get in bed, I start to make love, and she is "resistant", just like usual.
>The next morning I realize that it wasn't my wife, but some girl who had come
>into my house and slept in my bed (goldilocks?).
>
>So, did I rape her?  I had no reason to believe that she wasn't my wife
>behaving exactly as my wife usually does.  I don't think that this is rape.  I
>big misunderstanding, yes, but a crime?
>
ABSOLUTELY!  It has to be said that even if someone *is* your wife then
*forcing* her to have sex with you *is* a crime.  Your wife is a human
being, not your love toy!

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From: wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot)
Subject: Re: Ethics and Holodeck
Organization: Computer Assisted Writing Centre, York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:46:00 GMT

In article <1id0qrINNoa1@shelley.u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.212745.4402@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot) writes:
>>	You know, I just thought of something to add to the
>>thread...What if someone was engaged in a little fantasy such as the
>>one we've been discussing and then the *real* person enters the
>>Holodeck.  Bothe occupants wander around and run into one another.
>>The person who programmed the Holodeck would think that the real
>>person was only a simulacrum.  What would be the result of such an
>>encounter??  I would call it rape.
>
>	I wouldn't. There's a thing called intent.

	Intent?  Do you mean that if the person having programmed the
Holodeck forced a sexual encounter on an unwilling person by mistake
in the Holodeck because the program was designed to produce a willing
simulacrum, then that would not be wrong?? 

	If I was to push a the example a little further, if someone
has been fantasizing about having sex with a co-worker and forces the
latter into a sexual encounter without consent, but doesn't think of
it as rape then it isn't??  

	That reminds me of the William Kennedy Smith trial.  The
defense's main argument was that Mr. Smith did not rape the alleged
victim because he thought "[that] she liked it rough."  I'm sorry, but
to me what William Kennedy Smith did, and what you suggest about
"intent" qualify as the same thing and that is rape.

	The fact that he was not convicted isn't relevant, considering
that if he hadn't had the name Kennedy he would have been.  I can't
see how calling someone's mother as a character witness at her child's
trial can be seen as good judicial sense...

Best regards,

J.Marc Chabot
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From: dlileiki@AFIT.AF.MIL
Subject: ST:TNG - Plot flaw or am I missing something?
Organization: Air Force Institue of Technology, WPAFB OH
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:29:53 GMT

I just saw the ST:TNG episode where subspace creatures kidnap members of the 
Enterprise crew, do experiments on them, and send them back.  The storyline 
implies that these creatures found the Enterprise because of Jordie's sensor 
adjustments.  However, the show opens with Ricker having trouble sleeping 
nights and ferarful of Doctor Crusher's instrument BEFORE the sensor 
changes are made. To me, this implies the creatures were already aware of 
the Enterprise crew and the sensors had nothing to do with it.

Did I miss something or what?
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From: lfinkelstein@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Saucer Seperation...How many times?
Organization: Clark University
Date: 12 JAN 93 20:00:21 GMT

A friend recently complained that they never used the battle bridge, or
saucer seperation other than in "Encounter at Farpoint".  I know that
they did, on several occasions.  What I want to know is, does anyeon
have a list of exactly how many times, and what episodes?

Thanks.

Loren

LFINKELSTEIN@VAX.CLARKU.EDU
From: lydia@tarsal.dsg.ti.com (lydia middendorf )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: ferengi/h ross
Date: 4 Jan 1993 10:27:50 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments, Austin, Tx.
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Has anybody, besides me, noticed how much H. Ross Perot looks like
a ferengi? (sp?) (or ferengi looks like H.Ross?)

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From: harris@mickey.metaphor.com (Charlene K. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: I need the words to TOS theme song...
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:45:53 GMT
Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA
Originator: harris@mickey

Hi!

I was wondering if someone could please e-mail me the words to the Star Trek theme song.I know I've seen them before, but I forgot to save them!  Please mail instead of post, since the number of articles in this newsgroup is too large to read through--I don't think my boss would like it!

Thanks for your help!

--Charlene

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From: wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot)
Subject: Re: Ethics and Holodeck
Organization: Computer Assisted Writing Centre, York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:44:53 GMT

In article <C0E728.2Br@well.sf.ca.us> kamins@well.sf.ca.us (Scot Kamins) writes:
>
>Mr.  Chabot suggests that there is a paralell between using someone's
>holodec'ed image (reproduction? simulacrum?) for some personal purpose (in
>this case, sex) and using a sports star's image for commercial purposes. But
>the paralell is a false one. Sports stars and other public figures demand
>recompense for their images when the use is commercial; but I can cut out a
>picture of my favorite sports personality from the newspaper, scan it into
>my computer, and do whatever I want with it - so long as it's only me that's
>using it - without havingto pay for it. That's legal because of the fair use
>doctrine. What's the difference if what I have is a monitor or a holodec? If
>I'm using it just for me, for non-commercial purposes, where's the
>illegality?
>
>Mr. Chabot also suggest that there's a question of "victimizing" the person
>whose image is being used. I don't see the victimization - the person is
>being harmed in no way, nor is s/he being detained, nor defamed.
>
>As to the question of morality, that's better left for theologians,
>religionists, and other murderers of freedom to decide.
>


Just one question, where does it say in my post that I think it
should/is/ought to be illegal to do ANYTHING?  I do not say anything
like that.  What I do say is that I think that somehow the person
being reproduced in the Holodeck has been wronged in some way (maybe
not de facto but in an ethical/moral sense).  As for equating a
discussion of morality with murdering freedom, I think that's a bit
farfetched...

Regards, 
 
J.Marc Chabot
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: 910252m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Dwayne MacKinnon)
Subject: A book...
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:45:07 GMT

Hokay,

      This is for all you people who are NHL hockey fans as well as Trek fans.
Have any of you read the latest Classic Trek novel out?? Its painfully obvious
that the author is an NHL fan, and perhaps more precisely a Pittsburgh Penguins
fan. I mean, look at the names of the people in Chekhov's security department!!
I mean, we have Lemieux, Jagr, and a number of others that I can't remember at
the moment. Pretty neat, eh???

DMK
     
--
"Reality is a very strange place."

Dwayne Mac Kinnon,
910252m@dragon.acadiau.ca, Acadia University, N.S., Canada.
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From: stailey@ss17.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Re: Info needed on STTNG models
Organization: Motorola LMPS Research; Schaumburg, Il
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:29:03 GMT

In article <C0G46C.JHK@knot.ccs.queensu.ca>, tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca (Tarun Kripalani) writes:
|> How many different types of ships, stations etc
|> are available as models from STTNG? I have only
|> encountered the Enterprise 1701-D and the 
|> Klingon Battle Cruiser.

   I believe there is also a three ship set of Romulan,
   Klingon, and Ferengi ships.

   -- 
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   stailey@comm.mot.com     


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