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Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:07:25 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
 <gPBmVB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>

In article <gPBmVB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
(Dave Shariff Yadallee) says:
>
>Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>
>  Do we have a Repo Republican here?
>-
>- The latest twist in the royal soap operaprompts the question, do we really
>- need the monarchy, aren't they just an anachronism in this day and age?
>
>  Excuse me, but do you want to end like the USA?  The monarchy is NOT
>anachronistic!!  If you ever hear of the Ismailis, they have a monarchy of
>its own, nemevolent in nature, philanthropic and very nice people!!

Is this the best you can do? We should keep a British Queen as not to be
american. Personally, I think official bilingualism does a lot more to
distinguish us from the Yanks than paying allegiance to a foreign soverign

>
>-
>- And for the colonials, this whole discussion about the succession and the
>- C of England prompts the question, what is the relevance of a basically
>- British institution to the rest of the commonwealth. If QE2 is supposed to
>be
>- Queen of Canada, Australia, New Zealand et al as much as she is Queen of the
>- UK, why are our governments not consulted about these matters.


>-
>   Easy, there is TOO MUCH power in the hands of the government, but then
>again
>Conservatives parties have been under the 'guidance' of the USA, hence must of

How is this relevant to the UK government not consulting the commonwealth?

>our disasters can be attributed to that! Time and time again, I have proposed
>a
>representative government that would be directly responible to God, Queen and
>country on a VERY LARGE SCALE! It is time to consider who our friends are!!

I'm sorry, you aren't answering the question at all, you are responding to
an argument which has not only not been made but is completely irrelevent to
the issue of commonwealth consultation. Again, if she is OUR Queen as much as
she is Britain's, why do Canadians have no say on the succession?

>
>REMOVE REPUBLICANISM FULLY !!
>
>Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
> (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
>God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
>Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to One and All - John Lennon
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: "alan pickersgill" <alan.pickersgill@canrem.com>
Subject: re: do we really need the
Reply-To: "alan pickersgill" <alan.pickersgill@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: can
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:02:47 EST

 -=> On 12-10-92  23:34, 2893684 wrote to All <=-

 28> The latest twist in the royal soap operaprompts the question, do we
 28> really need the monarchy, aren't they just an anachronism in this day
 28> and age? 

 No, we do not need the monarchy. They are not just an anachronism,
 they are a parasitic anachronism.
 Aside from allegations of "holding the country together" or being a
 "symbolic something or other" I would like to hear of one productive
 thing they do. Comforting the poor and downtrodden by patronizing
 charities isn't it, by the way.

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Newsgroups: can.politics
From: tjdoran@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (DORAN TJ - BIOLOGY)
Subject: Re: Bank of Canada and printing money.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:42:40 GMT

I deleted the article beacause it's *really* long. To summarize, the author
speculated that velocity of money was the key factor in a healthy economy,and
by having to send more and more money through the gov't (a slow institution)
we are losing more and more velocity, and, therefore suffering more and more...

(Netiquette experts => is this 'delete and summarize' approach obnoxious or
can it be defended in the name of bandwidth???)

Anyway, the GNP is a measure not of velocity, but of production.

If I had a '74 El Camino (hypothetically speaking, of course) and sold it to 
my good friend Ed for $250, that money would not be included in a calculation
of GNP because nothing was created. If, however, I had a company making copies
of '74 El Caminos, the money I sold each one for *would* be included since I
actually produced something new of value. 

The shortcoming of GNP is that it fails to look at such transactions as Ed 
buying my (hypothetical) El Camino. It also fails to look at non-monetary
based transactions... (I'll cut your hair if you mow my lawn) and do-it-yerself 
stuff.

As always, opinions welcomed....
TJ

-- 
TJ Doran  	              |"There you stand like a duck in a thunderstorm
TJDORAN@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca | again... Aren't you ever going to understand?" 
                              |                         - W.A. Mozart
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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 06:15:18 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:

- >
-
- I'd like to volunteer to head up the "Dave for Kingg" campaign.
-
- C'mon Dave, try it - you'll like it!
-
  No doubt you would love to be Quuen of all Britons!

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to One and All - John Lennon
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: bspencer@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian SPENCER)
Subject: Re: Bank of Canada and printing money.
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:20:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.125420.18268@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <18319@mindlink.bc.ca> John_Carson@mindlink.bc.ca (John Carson) writes:
>>I never have been involved in any ECONOMIC class so I would like to find out
>>what is the situation if the BANK of CANADA does print extra cash just to pay
>>off the debt to a "000" balance.
>>
>
>Boys and girls...the word for today is "hyperinflation"...wiping out the
>entire savings of the country, public and private, wiping out the social
>safety net, throwing millions onto the streets, and into destitution.
>
This is exactly what happened to Germany after WW1. They had to pay back
the allied countries so they printed up lots of money. The
hyperinfllation was so bad that the German people were desperate enough
to democratically elect the Nazi party into power because they promised
to turn around the economy by starting a war.

Brian Spencer (bspencer@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca)


Newsgroups: can.politics
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:48:22 GMT

In article <17DEC92.09640525.0074@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.000339.12868@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>>In article <8NmVVB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>>>sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>>>
>>>- I'd like to volunteer to head up the "Dave for Kingg" campaign.
>>>-
>>>- C'mon Dave, try it - you'll like it!
>>>-
>>>  No doubt you would love to be Quuen of all Britons!
>>>
>>
>>Oh, Dave, you don't REALLY mean it - do you?   It's too exciting
>>to think about.  I've never thought about being a Quuen.
>>But Dave, I really wanted *you* to be King.  I have enough to
>>do already without having to be fitted for easter egg colo[u]red
>>suits and learning to wave properly.  You go ahead, and I'll stay
>>over here and cheer you on, 'k?
>>
>Sue, I'm not sure you've understood Dave's reply.  In his
>bashful way, he's trying to propose that you and he get married.
>That way you can be King and Quuen together.  It's the stuff of
>fairy tales.
>


<flutter> Oooh, do you think so??  

Nah, let's get real.  TPHRH Dave thinks I am chasing him.  
Which I am.  I'm trying to pack him off to BP and get him off the 
continient of North America.  If he plays his cards right he might
even land Diana.  She might think he's a bit of pompous windbag,
but if he doesn't whinge about her bulimia I'll bet she might be 
willing to proofread his material.

Dave, do you like to go to discos?  





Newsgroups: can.politics
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:48:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.191124.17333@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross) writes:
>Andy (2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA) wrote:
>: 
>: >The latest twist in the royal soap operaprompts the question, do we really
>: >need the monarchy, aren't they just an anachronism in this day and age?
>
>The only reason Canada might conceivably wish to retain the British
>monarchy is because, with our perpetual national identity crisis, 
>the monarchy is one last vestige of Canadian identity we probably cannot
>afford to throw away at present, whether we like it or not. 

I don't catch his one: we _can't_ afford it?

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 /   \   Ge'ne'alogiste des familles : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Un Que'bec renouvele' dans une Ame'rique renove'e
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From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re:    Do we really need the monarchy?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:09:02 GMT

Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
			    ^^
| The latest twist in the royal soap operaprompts the question, do we really
								   ^^
| need the monarchy, aren't they just an anachronism in this day and age?

There's that pronoun again.  USAians are prone to use it too.

Shouldn't this discussion separate the interests of Canadians?  Most of
the "NO"s I've read so far have come from them.  Probably a timezone
thing, though; most sensible people in Blighty have gone home for the
weekend by now.
-- 
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Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
Allberall und ewig blauen licht die Fernen!  Ewig... ewig... ewig...
Newsgroups: can.politics,can.general,soc.culture.canada
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Subject: Re: Legalized Discrimination in Quebec
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:14:26 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 1767

From article <10DEC92.13465195.0173@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>, by O2NY000 <O2NY@UNB.CA>:
> In article <Bz1rBs.JGG@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:
>>In article <Bz11oK.KEs@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> tjdoran@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (DORAN TJ - BIOLOGY) writes:
>>>
>>>Rights are rights. Why should immigrants, still members of the human race,
>>>be denied a right extended to people who were born here? They are no less
>>>than we are, they just can't bitch as loudly when their rights are denied.
>>>'You're just lucky to be here' is no justification for this bill.,
>>
>>In every places in the world, newcomers have less rights that persons
>>already in place.  In every kind of society, this is true.  A new
>>lawyer, a new doctor, a new engineer, a new religious, each have to
>>follow the rules of the congregation/school/court house etc. where
>>s/he gets in.  In no place does a newcomer _more_ rights than someone
>>already there.  In absolutely no place.
>>
> What an arrogant snot you are! We do not want them to have 'more'
> rights. What is wrong with giving them the 'same' rights that everyone
> else in Canada has? Or are you too much of a bigot to allow these
> lowly new immigrants the same privilges YOU have? I hope someday I
> get the chance to treat you the way you want to treat others, we would
> see who cries and whines then, wouldn't we!
> 

What do you think about lack of service in French in Florida, Denis?


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  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
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From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Newsgroups: can.politics,can.general,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Legalized Discrimination in Quebec
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:28:05 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 807

From article <1992Dec16.174833.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>, by 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque):
>
> Without money, power, influence or electoral clout, the only thing that
> can keep a community is mandated laws that "preserve" a particular culture.

OK, let's draft some laws in Quebec to "preserve" the English culture in
this province - at less than 10% of the population they don't have the
"money, power, or influence" anymore - and they certainly don't have the
"electoral clout"! :-)

Salud, John!

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  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:01:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.193530.3035@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>
>I'd like to volunteer to head up the "Dave for Kingg" campaign.
>
>C'mon Dave, try it - you'll like it!

Yes -- we can have a whole new definition of the King's English!




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Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:35:30 GMT

In article <3mRTVB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:
>
>- Not only *can* you separate them, there are some very good arguments why
>- you *should* separate them.
>-
>- Simon.
>-
>- --
>-   Simon Patience
>-   Open Software Foundation                    Phone: +33-76-63-48-72
>-   Research Institute                          FAX:   +33-76-51-05-32
>-   2 Avenue De Vignate                         Email: sp@gr.osf.org
>-   38610 Gieres, France                                       uunet!gr.osf.org!
>
>
> I argue  for responible government and the God,Quuen and Country tenets to
>come together.
> In short, /i say let all the people under the God-conttolled domain come
>together and work together for the each ohters benefit, Not as a hierachy, but
>as first among equals.
>
>BTW, all you fanatics trying to draft me for the British throne, I nedd a VERY
>GOOD reason for excepting the candidacy otherwise, I will decline.
>

I'd like to volunteer to head up the "Dave for Kingg" campaign.

C'mon Dave, try it - you'll like it!

Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian
From: bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross)
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Brock University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:11:24 GMT

Andy (2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA) wrote:
: 
: >The latest twist in the royal soap operaprompts the question, do we really
: >need the monarchy, aren't they just an anachronism in this day and age?

The only reason Canada might conceivably wish to retain the British
monarchy is because, with our perpetual national identity crisis, 
the monarchy is one last vestige of Canadian identity we probably cannot
afford to throw away at present, whether we like it or not. 

-- 
Brian Ross                          "Welcome to Canada." -- Twin Peaks Movie.
bross@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca            
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Subject: Re: do we really need (the stupid monarchy thread)
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:50:44 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 737

From article <1992Dec15.003219.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>, by 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca
John LaRocque suggests:-
>
> .....
>
> All right, here is a solution. Dump the Brits now. They have proven that
> THEIR royal family is not fit to rule a dog house, .....

The corgis seem to do allright! :-)

I would like to add that I do sincerely believe that M. LaRocque is not
a racist!

I also do sincerely believe that black is not a shade of grey!


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  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:03:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.103225.2302@osf.org> sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:
>In article <u8FXVB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>>   I furthur arge that the people show, based on a value system, should keep the
>> government in check.
>
>Shurely, as well asthat, it shold only be people. govenrments should not,
>no circonstunces, be allwed to do it.
>
>Simon.
>
>Marks out of 10 anyone?
>
>-- 

6.5 - it looks too much like you really know how to spell the words.

I can't quantify or even adequately describe the devil-may-care spelling
and grammar that the Real Dave uses, but few people around here can
imitate it.  That new fellow from Berlin seems like a natural, though.


Newsgroups: can.politics,can.general,soc.culture.canada
From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque)
Subject: Re: Legalized Discrimination in Quebec
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:48:33 GMT

In article <16DEC92.16296495.0102@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94) writes:

> I think what francophones hors Quebec fear is not the loss of "help"
> from the Quebec government, it's the loss of francophone influence
> in Ottawa which would follow Quebec independence.  No more federal
> transfer payments for minority language education.  No more
> Radio-Canada radio and television.  No more federal funding for
> la Societe des Acadiens, l'Association canadienne-francaise de
> l'Ontario, etc.

Without money, power, influence or electoral clout, the only thing that
can keep a community is mandated laws that "preserve" a particular culture.
As Francois Audet pointed out in an earlier post: 
1. Anti French laws no longer exists because they have achieved their goal,
   the complete assimilation of generations of francophones hors Quebec.
2. In several years, the only place where French is spoken is Quebec (and
   possible parts of Acadia).

With this in mind, I still find it hard to believe that federal politicians
STILL refer to bilingualism as a NATIONAL goal, when there are many more
BC'ers who speak Cantonese or Korean than they do French. And unlike 
francophones, they have more of a voice, more influence more money and
ultimately more power. 

Cultures were not meant to be put in a wax museum, and the different
francophone groups who are scared out of their pants at the thought of
Quebec sovereignty are ignoring reality. In the future, francohphones hors
Quebec will completely dissappear. Nothing, not bilingualism, not multi-
culturalism, nothing can change that. Not the latest ravings from Trudeau
or Mulroney. Not all the taxpayer supported groups: Canadian Parents for
French, or the former Federation des francophones hors Quebec. Not 
Section 23, not the multicuturalism act. If French is THAT important, pack
up your bags and go to Quebec. Otherwise, stop complaining about the lack
of federal money. 

Ultimately, culture is a living thing. Not a museum. Money will not change
that. And money will not reverse the process of assimilation.


> Tom Box
> CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
-- 

John P. LaRocque
vader@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario


"Urk..urk..."
"Apology accepted, Captain Needa", Darth Vader
Newsgroups: can.politics,can.general,soc.culture.canada
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Subject: Re: Legalized Discrimination in Quebec
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:45:01 GMT

In article <12DEC92.14087944.0063@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> O2NY <O2NY@UNB.CA> writes:
>Well Denis, for you, I checked. My roomates father is on the parent
>teachers association for the french school board here in NB. I asked
>him about French students having english textbooks. Do you what his
>answer was?!

First, you said of the 30% of bilingual NBers, most were of English
mother tongue while it was shown later this was false.

Then you said that the % of francos in NB was very far from the 40% I
gave (I think you said some 10%) while the figure was 30%.

You said that only one town was franco in majority but forget to say that
4 counties were French in majority too.

This time, you invented someone?  You give no name, no place, no school
year.

>He laughed! Yes, for a full minute he laughed. Then he said how stupid
>it would be to have french school and english textbooks. He informed

So, until the 1960's, the NBers were stupid?  They actually had that
situation according to L'Actualite special report on Grande Acadie.

>me that ALL french schools have 100% french textbooks, as english is
>not allowed in the schools. They also have extensive school librairies
>containing, yes, you guessed it, FRENCH books! As a matter of fact a

extensive school libraries?  I dont believe you.

>school bus driver for the french school district recently got
>suspended for playing an english radio station on the drive home! So
>there you have it French schools have entirely french everything in NB.

Too good to be true.

>(ii) the UN has declared the Quebec legislation unfair and oppressive
>    to minorities in Quebec.

What did they say when the majority was oppressed?

>(iii) the French culture cannot use the excuse that there culture is
>    in danger, because they have sufficient population to maintain it
>    already.

Why are francophones out of Quebec so afraid of Quebec secession?
They know they will disappear as a strong cultural group.  Until
1976, the % of francos in Quebec was reducing by 1.5% each 10 years.
Since the majority of anglophones and allophones are in Montreal,
this was leading to the main town being in one language and all the
other parts of country in another.  

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J   __>  Un Que'bec renouvele' dans une Ame'rique renove'e
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