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From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: checking in
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:48:18 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Nelson Minar (nelson@reed.edu), dear thing that
he is and *always* one to know just what's appropriate
to post in soc.motss, since *he* understands the
importance of pedagogical dishing in an intellectual
milieu to encourage the emotional development and
well-being of faggots and dykes everywhere, asks:

> Oh, and so I can fulfill James' expectations about what Motss Is
> Really Like According to James,
> [...]
> Haven't heard from you in awhile, Jeff - that man keeping you busy?

Well, Nelson, it's true, and you're not the only one
who hasn't been hearing.  Ever since that trip I took
to Boulder in August [when I met the fabulous Boulder
Bears, Bob & Jeff, by the way], and then several trips
since then [giving me, among other things, a wonderful
chance to dish with the delicious Jeff Norris in
Huntsville], I've been getting further and further
behind in my catching up.

Not to mention 'that man' who, ever since we our fates
converged in September, has *indeed* been keeping me
rather busy, although I can't and won't complain one
bit.  Realize, now, that it's not just what you think
either.  I mean, we are busy mingling our lives as
quickly as possible, yes, but more than that I've
fulfilled a faggot's lifelong dream: Isaac's a
*fabulous* shopping partner!  More later.

But, the consequence has been dreadful: I've been
horribly remiss in all my correspondance.  However, 
I've been able to stay in town for a bit, the social
engagements have not been overwhelming lately, and
I hope soon to turn my attention back to all the
friends I've been so rude to.  Real soon.

Oh, and *then* I'll have time to write *lots* 
more irrelevant things for soc.motss.

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.sex
Subject: Re: A Mother Speaks
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:45:38 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Dec11.140918.26364@csc.ti.com>, thrift@ra.csc.ti.com (Phil Thrift) writes:
> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
# #         ...  At the Federal level,
# # studies on teen suicides have been fought by the usual culprits:
# # Helms, Dannemeyer, Dornna, etc., as well as all the so-called
# # "Christian" organizations under the auspices that this undertaking
# # undermines the "family".
# 
# The real fear the Christian Right has in these studies is that they
# would support the fact a significant percent (~10%) of people are gay.
# These types maintain that only ~2% of people are gay.  This is the
# myth they have to maintain. (Sort of like the myth that the earth is
# ~10,000yrs old is needed to justify their creationist beliefs).
# 
# Phil

See the 12/3/92 issue of Nature.  Large scale surveys in France
and Britain are reported there.  In France, the total number of
men who have had homosexual sex ANYTIME during their lifetime is
4.1%.  In Britain, it's 6.1%.  For women in France, it's 2.6%.
For those in the last five years, of course, the numbers are
MUCH smaller.

The myth is 10%.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
C++ is to C, as lung cancer is to lung.
From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Parking (was Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads ... ))
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:38:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Dec10.184614.29392@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>
>People arrogant and foolish enough to drive private cars
>into urban centers deserve whatever difficulties they run
>into. 

People who blindly take public transit everywhere deserve the same.

While I'm very pro-public transit there are lots of occasions where
it just isn't the right thing to do for a number of reasons.

I also live in the Castro about 4 blocks from the "Center of the 
Universe" and I park my car within 150 of my apt door on the street.

...Max 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Aladdin
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:26:35 GMT

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>In article <1992Dec15.095307.8114@leland.Stanford.EDU> prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson) writes:

>>Also, the animator who did Jafar is openly gay.  He also did Gaston
>>from "Beauty and the Beast."  There's a good article on him in the
>>latest _Advocate_.  Apparently, Disney is a fairly gay-positive
>>company.  

>Or at least they have plenty of queers working for them.  Didn't any
>of you listen to Howard Ashman's lyrics to Gaston's Song?  For shame
>...

I've wanted for a while to write an even *queerer* version of 'Gaston'
(noone's hung like Gaston! Fucks my bung like Gaston! Noone sucks 'til
he ruptures a lung like Gaston!), but I don't have the soundtrack and
every time I try to remember how the song goes I lapse into 'Les Gaston.
Les Gaston... how I loooove les Gaston!'.

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You're like one of those... 'Cabbage Patch' creatures...
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From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: The MOW Platform (was Re: NOTICE - Details...)
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:31:40 GMT
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA

In article <1992Dec14.183044.13215@watson.ibm.com>, jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com writes:
> jclander@texas.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander) writes:
> >Similarly, if the March platform is discussed at all by anyone outside the
> >March (politicians, news media), the marchers will be assumed to be supporters
> >of the platform _as_ _a_ _whole_.
> 
> ohhhhh, isn't life just so unfair?!  all those gay people
> in the march and the rest of the world will only see those
> show-off drag queens!  transgender people have all the luck!

  Where did he say or even remotely imply this? 

> >I do not assert that one must agree with
> >all of the demands on the platform (and I have no trouble with that word),
> >but one must decide that the platform as a whole is deserving of support.
> 
> why?  the platform be damned.  i'm going to march on
> washington because gay issues are suddenly hotter than
> jojo in a sex club, and i want to keep it that way.  we've
> won some real focus in this country, and i don't want to
> give the spotlight over to the hate-mongers yet.

  Then why have a platform at all? Personally, I'm not particularly
plussed by the platform and it certainly weighs in on my decision
on whether I would go or not. If the media pays attention to the
march at all (which seems likely) you can rest assured they will
focus on the _stated_ agenda. They aren't going to take a poll
of 1 million queers to ask them to state what it means in *their*
words.
   A more inclusive platform would certainly help. Not all gay
people's political philosophy are the same, and "demanding" socially
volatile issues like abortion rights and universal health care which
are only tangentally related to gay rights seems rather, well,
presumptuous. I don't think that it would be particularly difficult
to craft a platform which most queers would support -- like the
end on the military ban, and repeal of sodomy laws etc.

> with respect to my actual support of the platform, i
> suppose it helps to understand that the same reasoning used
> by racists, sexists, and anti-abortionists is also applied
> to gay civil rights.  what does the statement "no one is
> free until we are *all* free" mean?  it means that no one's
> individual freedom is guaranteed while there exists the
> potential to limit anyone's individual freedom.

  Big deal. Why not ask for a philosophical revolution while
your at it.
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: daniel@nstn.ns.ca (Daniel MacKay)
Subject: Re: Drooling over the "Europa, Europa" guy.
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:13:29 GMT

In <1992Dec15.045849.1925@leland.Stanford.EDU> prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson) writes:
>I just rented "Europa,
>Europa" last night.

Man, that is one brain-bender, isn't it?  He communicates perfectly the
exquisite pain and confusion his character's going through.

	At the count of ten ...
		One
			Two
				Three
					Four
						...

Sigh.  ObMotss: there is no motss content in this film execpt for some
very handsome guys.
--
Daniel MacKay					daniel@nstn.ns.ca
Homo habilis					Nova Scotia, Canada
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax)
Subject: Re: Roseanne and The "Faggot" Insult 
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 23:43:32 GMT

In article <BzELs4.IF6@nic.umass.edu> EDIAS@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (EMILIANO A DIAS) writes:
>> >       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
>> 
>> Yeah, but the whole "Roseanne Is Cool" aura wears off a little when I
>> read in Newsweek, as I did in this week's issue (with Princess Di on
>> the cover (incidentally, let me direct this message of support to Di:
>> "go on girl!")), that she called some TV reviewer a "faggot" because
>> the reviewer wrote a negative review of Tom Arnold's new show, The
>> Jackie Thomas Show.  Does this rub anybody else the wrong way?  Is
>> anybody getting rubbed at all right now?  Could you elaborate for me -
>> I'd like to have a sex life - even if only vicariously.
>
>Well Roseanne appeared on The Tonight Show to comment about this incident.
>She claims that this critic has never liked anything that she has ever done.
>Furthermore, she stated that he never criticizes her programs only her.
>She said that he refered to her as "Bitch", "Fat" and "Slut" in his column.
>She retaliated, imaturely but hey, by writing him a personal not and I
>guess she did call him a faggot in it.  She said that she never wanted
>the comment to be a public thing, unlike him, but that he made it a public 
>thing.  And she appologized sorta, by saying that the insult wasn't
>meant to insult gay people, it was meant only to insult him.
>
>       anyone else want to elaborate or add anthing, go ahead...
>
>							Tony Dias
>

I'd be real surprised if Rosanne meant anything hateful towards gays by the
remark - she has been very gay positive, in large part because both her
siblings are gay.  As for her hubbie's show - I saw the first episode
and didn't like it.  The _clips_ from this weeks episode even looked
boring.  Oh, well.


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: An Apology
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:28:34 GMT

In article <12DEC199201392969@cc.utah.edu> beezer@cc.utah.edu (BEEZER) writes:

>Offense in this group stems from insecurity, not from some perceived
>sign that the user of the word 'bitch' means to support directly or
>indirectly any harm that the word has caused in the past or may in
>the future.

And they say that soc.motss has misogynistic overtones!  Boy, they
just haven't been listening to Beezer, that's all I have to say!  Wow!

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mconte@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Marc Vincent Conte)
Subject: Dyke to head HHS
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:02:46 GMT


I just found out that Clinton tapped the chancellor of UW to
head the Dept. of Health and Human Services.  Is this the same
woman who has been repeatedly outed by Miriam Ben-Shalom?

Marc

-- 
  Marc Conte at The OSU---SCARLET AND GrAY
       mconte@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: nigel@stonewall.demon.co.uk (Nigel Whitfield)
Subject: Re: Outed by the 'phone company?
Organization: Jenny Agutter Fan Club
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:27:36 +0000

In article <1992Dec15.120113.9991@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>
>The telephone number is listed, but the name attached to the number
>isn't listed. That is how it works in France and, for the most part,
>in the US. Unless someone goes through a phone list and dials every
>number on it to see what the call was (farfetched) I think it is
>pretty private.

True to a certain extent, but there are some numbers that are widely
publicised - for instance the National AIDS Helpline in the UK is on
0800 567123, which is splattered across the country on a selection of
posters, in doctors' waiting rooms and read out on TV before or after
just about every program that mentions sex or HIV.

Nigel.
From: doug@aptzero.lonestar.org (Doug Gault)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: weird trees
Keywords: aluminum, tacky, unfathomable
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:01:10 GMT
Organization: Doug Gault .. Home UseNet Node.

lattanzi@brtph73.bnr.ca (Jim Lattanzi P215) writes:

> In article <17572@umd5.umd.edu> jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
> >
> >Whither the aluminum Christmas tree?  Are they now
> >only collectors' items?  [Would anyone dare?]
> >
> 
> A co-worker (Brian aka Brenda) spent the past week looking for one.  He
> finally found a vintage 60's tree in a Raleigh antique store.  Unfortunately,
> the color wheel was from a later period (the 70's), but he's quite pleased
> with the purchase overall.

There is a store here in Dallas (a vintage store that sells everything from 
clothes to old pasley shaped coffee tables and ORANGE furniture) that has about
5 - 10 of them every Christmas.. I can NOT imagine where they find them all.
And the scary thing is that they usually SELL OUT way before Christmas.

E-GAD!

Doug


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)
Subject: Santa Clause
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 18:02:34 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Merry Christmas all!

Well, I just finished my mornign stint as Santa for our child-care center
here at work.  The kids in the center are the children of our 
patients (it's a drug and alcohol abuse outpatient clinic).  A lot
of them won't get anything else this christmas, and so this has been real 
special.  The feeling I get when I see the kids faces light up just 
reminds me more and more why we're here on this earth.  

The kids are so cute. One of the girls was only here for a minute, 
so I rushed over there, and caught her in the hallway, (right by our 
methadone dispensing, with all these clients lined up) and she just 
lit up!  When I gave her her present, she just hugged me and thanked
me (Santa of course).  then I went in to the rest of the kids and 
handed out stockings and a couple of gifts.  This is so much fun!  
(I've also been asked to play Santa over the phone for one of our 
Directors's grandkids...what fun...:->)

Anyway, I have been just bursting with this, so I'll see you all in 
a week.  

Merry Christmas and to all a Good Post!!

Good 'ole St. Nick
(PS since my name in Mundainan is Dominick, and so is my cousin (and 
g-father and an uncle) we would call him Nick and me Dominick, and now 
I'm the one getting called St. Nick.   Just amusing, no relevance to 
anything...)

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Pittsburg, Pa
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:29:10 GMT

mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) scolds me:
> >mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>  >>3.  *There* *is* *no* *Official* *Cabal* *Application*
> >	Well, (puts nose higher than forehead), that *you* know of!
> >	Hrmpf!

> >P.S. ;-) does this count? huh huh? (wagging tail)
>You wag your tail at me, I'm gonna pat your head, waddaya think?

>It's a mild chiding, certainly not even the mildest of flames.
>But don't think I don't appreciate the effort.

	Hey whatever blows up your skirt!

BBC, lifting up his back leg and aiming... :-) :-) :-)
From: barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Maybe a dumb question...
Keywords: marriage legal gay
Date: 15 Dec 92 02:28:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Dec15.013614.23815@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>	That's why the court battle going on in Hawaii should be VERY
>much in the minds of the GBLO*-community.

>	Unlike equal rights, marriage rights under the current
>law *could* be overturned in all states with the first one.
>I say *could* because these things are always written such that 
>whatever we want is always compromised and/or watered down to some
>other level.  My suspicon is that if/when we get a state to let
>us marry there will be some exception place that doesn't let it
>carry to other states... but that is probably some years off still.

I disagree here as there is a legal precedance...in Lovejoy v. the state of
Virginia..... this is the case which forced all states to recognize interracial
marriage..I believe this was a case in which an interracial couple was 
married in another state and when they went back home were NOT considered
married and they sued the state...and won which led to the overturning
of all laws prohibiting interracial marriage.   Surprisingly this was NOT
that long ago..1967.

Jen


>BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Ren and Stimpy (was Re: Bert and Ernie)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:54:13 GMT

czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) writes:

>In article <18131@autodesk.COM> mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) writes:

>>I wonder if Ren and Stimpy are gay?

>One of the Ren and Stimpy creators came and did a presentation in Chapel
>Hill about a month ago.  He was telling us about some of the things that
>had been censored from one of the episodes.  In the episode Ren and Stimpy
>were about to be hanged, and in the uncensored version Ren confesses to
>Stimpy that he used Stimpy's tongue to soothe his saddle sores while he
>was sleeping.  Stimpy says, "I wasn't really asleep."

The guys that make Ren & Stimpy are all hot, begoatee'd grungy people,
which cements in *my* mind that they must be queer. (*drool*)

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You're like one of those... 'Cabbage Patch' creatures...
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon)
Subject: Re: Call/Fax/Write Fernandez
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:46:23 GMT
Summary: education REQUIRES examples

In article <1gdl85INN1qe@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
writes:

>Saying that I don't 
>think "Heather has 2 Mommies" should be made part of the first-grade 
>curriculum means I think tolerence should not be taught?  hardly.  
>If you want to take issue with what I say, fine.  But dont attribute 
>*your* imagination to what I am saying.  Do we need to teach "daddy
>and his roommate sleep together" to teach tolerance? 

Short answer: yes.

Long answer: churches have taught "love your neighbord as yourself"
for centuries -- "Christians" (like all other human beings) STILL
find it remarkably easy to to ignore that, in favor of all sorts of
excuses that let them stomp all over those who are different from
themselves.  The reason, Walter, that you get so hostile a reception
here is that you are acting as if this world of PARTICULAR oppression
while mouthing slogans of "general" love and acceptance did not exist,
or as if you are advocating the maintenance of this satanic status
quo (as the Vatican Curia does, when it pooh-poohs gay-bashing by
letting the world know that it thinks that is "understandable" since
we who are gay won't quietly kill ourselves to avoid our repugnant
"objectively disordered" existence.)  Your mild "who me?" is nothing 
but aid and comfort to bigots everywhere.  Only someone ignorant of
the world (because NEVER forced to acknowledge Heather and Her Two
Mommies) could be so bemused.  *You* don't think you are intolerant;
but I wouldn't trust you out of my sight for a moment.

If the examples of WHAT it is that is different, and is to be granted
respect despite being different, are NOT taught from an early age,
you get the current situation -- taunting, humiliation, beatings and
even murder, all excused by the differences.  Some, being human, will
continue doing the same even when deprived of ALL excuses and ALL
"support" that they currently find: the naked hatred and fear will
shine forth in all its loathsome isolation.  But some people, notably
children, actually LEARN from reality, when it isn't hidden from them
as your "questioning" us suggests that YOU want to do.
-- 
Michael L. Siemon		   "Oh, stand, stand at the window,
					As the tears scald and start;
mls@panix.com			   You shall love your crooked neighbor
(please note address)			With your crooked heart."
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Bryan J. Blumberg <bjb@macsch.com>
Subject: Re: Dyke to head HHS
X-Xxdate: Mon, 14 Dec 92 13:09:27 GMT
Organization: Systems Integration Branch
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d13
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 21:13:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.113431.14141@hemlock.cray.com> Russ Anderson,
rja@mahogany126.cray.com writes:
>> Dose anyone else have any info on Mrs. Shalala's sexual orientation?
>
>Does anyone care?  I certainly don't...

     Barbara Walters asked Ross Perot if elected president, would he
have gays on his cabinet.  Perot's answer created a tremendous amount
of controversy.

     If Clinton is going to make an appointment of an openly gay
person to a cabinet level position, I think many people will care.

     I for one, do.

========================================
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815 Colorado Boulevard, Los Angeles, California  90041-1777
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