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From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Dawson, was: Re: GMaddux to Test Free Agency Waters
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:34:16 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <1992Jul26.155016.3729@tamsun.tamu.edu> rlm7638@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jack McKinney) writes:
>claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>>What is wrong with offering a below-average offensive RF who is 38 years old
>>a 1-year contract?  Offering that contract at all, I suppose...


>For a below avg offensive RF, he has the most RBI's of anyone on the team, 

AHHH! Flame bait!  Flame bait! :-)
He also hits 4th behind Ryno and Grace... and hasn't missed
much of the season.

While Andre has been a valuable offensive player most of his
career, he needs to hit above .290 and get 25+ HRs to be one
since he hardly ever draws a walk and makes lots of outs...
He makes up for the out-eating with tons of slugging and
hits, but when he hits .270 he is not really particularly 
valuable.  And when he isn't hitting .300 he's usually
around .250.

As a defensive player, I've seen him make some outstanding plays
>out there. I'd hate to hit a ball into C or R field-- he can cover both (and
>has -- I've seen him steal several catches from CF Douggie Dascenzo).


He's been a legitimate Gold Glove and still has a nice arm, but
he's just an average RF defensively now.

He's still worth having on the team, but at 38, the odds are
pretty good that he's going to have a season like
.250/.300/.450 instead of a 1980-to-83-like .300/.350/.500.
He's got a good shot at the HOF, but it's based on his past,
not his future...

I think a one year deal is just right, but frankly, would not
protect him (except that he's a 10 and 5 man, if signed).

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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: RP/PA for AL and NL (More bogus RP stats)
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:55:28 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <Brr616.wI@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> djohnson@cayley.waterloo.edu (David Johnson) writes:
>What you don't think that a player who has more RBI and Runs than anyone
>else on the team isn't valuable.  A guy with a lot of RBI and Runs scored
>for their team as compared to other players shows that that player has been 
>more productive in the opportunities he has got than other players on his
>team.

No, it doesn't.  It shows that he has had more opportunities than other
players on his team.  It doesn't say that he has been more productive.  I
could drive every runner on base for me, and score every time I get on, but
still have fewer R+RBI than somebody who drove in fewer of the runners on
for him, but had more opportunities with more runners on.

>But this stat will show the ability of Carter to drive in runs when he
>gets a chance to. 

Why is this an interesting number?  It doesn't tell you about the RBI
opportunities he denied the players hitting behind him, by his making outs.

>>The problem with this "more valuable to his team" thing is that you give a
>>player credit for having rotten teammates, which is silly.  Colbert may or may
>
>A good player should get some Credit and not be brought down just because
>he has poor teammates.  We are trying to evaluate a player fairly not
>make him look bad because he has bad teammates.

But you shouldn't make him look *better* just because he has bad teammates.
That's the point.  Babe Ruth drove in 164 runs in 1927;  the '27 Yankees
scored 975 runs, so Ruth only drove 16.8% of his teams runs.  Joe Carter
drove in 115 runs for San Diego in 1990; that represented 17% of the Padres
673 runs.  Do you honestly believe that Joe Carter's 1990 season was even
remotely equivalent to Babe Ruth's 1927 season? 

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
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From: kirsch@epx.cis.umn.edu (Dave Lundyphobic Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Info on the Greenville, S.C. Braves?
Organization: Dominican Deities - Juan Guzman levitation branch
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:42:23 GMT

In article <92203.072833KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>  If anyone out there has current stats and any general information on a
>specific player who plays for Greenville, Andy Nezelek, please e-mail me some
>stuff.  He was a friend of mine at Bucknell, where he played college ball and
>got a degree in engineering.  He was in Richmond for years, and his arm got
>hurt and he is now working his way back (hopefully through the expansion
>draft).  Thanks in advance!

  He's doing pretty well so far. His numbers as of the most recent Baseball 
America (which are probably a little out of date): 

  7 Wins, 1 loss and 1 save in 70 innings of work. He's appeared in 31 games
but has started only one .. looks like they're trying to bring him back
through middle/long relief. In those 70 innings, he's given up 54 hits, 16
walks, totalled 68 strikeouts and has compiled a 1.81 ERA. Looks pretty
impressive to me. His pitching numbers are probably the most impressive (when
taken as a whole) of anyone at AA Greenville.  

  I've got him listed in the 'grey area' for the Braves 15-man roster,
depending on his age. Does anyone know exactly how old he is? He's not listed
in any of the sources I have. My suspicion is that he won't make the 15-man
expansion roster but might be protected after one of the first two rounds. 

-- 
Dave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch .... of the Warren Newson fan club 
kirsch@epx.cis.umn.edu                       "Blue Jays all the way in '92"  
Congratulations to Joe Lundy on finally making it into the Guinness Book of 
   World Records as the first man to ever successfully braid his back hair!
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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Subject: Re: Re: Red Sox - The long term
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:47:23 GMT


In article <10010656@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)  
writes:
> Wade Boggs in Shea stadium would not hit .260, even in his better years.  
I don't think Shea's that extreme. Boggs road BA 1984-91 was .306.
He probably could have gotten a decent average out of that.
(Magadan's career road BA is .293)

> "May finish this year at .300".  Yippee skip.  What will his road average 
> be? 
Well so far (-7/19), believe it or not, he's hitting .226 in Fenway 
and .324 on the road. I expect this to even out as the year goes on.

> What would his season average be playing half his games in Shea?
dunno.

john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Subject: Re: The End of an Era
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 05:45:23 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico

In article <gePNTAL0Bwxd1NuV46@transarc.com> Ken_Ziolkowski@transarc.com writes:
>
>
>  From the wednesday, July 22nd issue of USA Today:
>
>  "The Mariners released RHP Jim Acker Tuesday for
>   the purpose of giving him his unconditional
>   release. Acker, who was 0-0 with a 5.28 ERA in
>   17 appearances this season, has been on the
>   15-day DL since June 15 with a broken bone in
>   his left wrist."
>
>
>   The King is dead, long live the King.
>
>

No, it isn't true.  I won't believe it.  Maybe...maybe...the A's can pick him
up?  Is he a good man in the clubhouse (maybe the VISITOR'S clubhouse...)?  Can
he bring that special Carney Lansfordness to the Rangers' pen?  Is he old enough
to be a Pirate?  Maybe Atlanta again...oh, wait, only one washed up righty to a
contender.  Wrigley?  *drool*  Naah.  Too Cubbish.  The Yankees could use a 
replacement for Howe, but Acker might succumb to the pressure and pitch poorly 
in pinstripes.  Maybe the Mets.  Yeah!  The Mets...solve that "pitcher's" park
reputation in a week!  Now, where did I leave Al Harazin's phone number???

-- 
*  Kurt Bose (as in * I am NOT the Antichrist, no matter what my future mother
*  Daisy, not Rose) * in law may think. Nor do I pretend to speak for UNM. Tried
*kbos@carina.unm.edu* it one time, but they caught me at it. I think they were a
*  Junior Stathead  * tad miffed at me, sure, but the Dean's hair DID grow back.
From: mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck McMath)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Carolina League (A) All-Star Roster
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:40:39 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Distribution: rec
Organization: MSD

In article <1992Jul23.163727.13960@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>,
horj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Eric Scheirer) wrote:
> 
> In article <mcmath-220792104140@mcmathmac.nlm.nih.gov>,
> mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck McMath) writes: 
> 
> > For those of you interested, here is the All-Star roster for the Carolina
> > League (class A ball), from the Washington Post of July 22:
> .
> .
> .
> > 
> > p Bruch Prybylinski   Prince William  
> 
> I don't know about anyone else, but this guy makes my all-name first team
> hands-down.  I think he's likely on David Tate's "lonely list".  
> 
> -- 
> Eric Scheirer -- Cornell University, Ithaca, NY -- (607) 277-1899
> "I got remote control and a color TV; I don't change channels so they
>  must've changed me." -- Billy Joel


Well, I have to admit I misspelled his name.  It's Bruce (no smiley!).

chuck

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From: jld@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (J. L. David)
Subject: Re: Dawson, was: Re: GMaddux to Test Free Agency Waters
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:05:52 GMT

I wrote:

> Here are the DA numbers for Right fielders in the NL last year that
> I pulled off the net:
> 
> Walker, Larry       0.630
> Gwynn, Tony         0.620
> O'Neill, Paul       0.597
> Bonilla, Bobby      0.585
> Murphy, Dale        0.584
> Justice, Dave       0.560
> Bass, Kevin         0.553
> Jose, Felix         0.549
> Brooks, Hubie       0.540
> Dawson, Andre       0.530
> Strawberry, Darryl  0.522
> 
One thing I failed to point out is that looking at the same numbers
for 1990 and 1988 (the only other years I have data), Dawson was LAST
among NL RFs.  Strawberry's year in 1991 was something of a fluke.
Before then, he was among the leaders in DA for RFs.

Dawson's reputation has carried him a LONG way.  He's had lousy
range or a long time.  I still think his arm is quite good, however.
Unfortunately, there is no good way to measure that.  I don't
believe that assists are necessarily a good measure.

Jeff David
From: p_emond@pavo.concordia.ca (PATRICK EMOND)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Expos Update
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:50:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


 A few odds and ends from Montreal, the city that discovered ten days ago that
they have a major league team...

--Glen Colbrunn hit his first major league dinger leading off the 9th in last
  night's 4-1 loss to the Giants--he's been playing well since his call-up from
  AAA giving Felipe Alou another problem along with...

--the outfield: Moises Alou is 'a few days away' from returning to the lineup,
  and The Gazette reported today that Darren Reed, who has barely played, would 
  be sent down or released when Alou returns to the lineup.

--Larry Walker should (but won't) get MVP votes at the end of the year--the 
  Expos' starting foursome of DeShields(.308),Grissom(.280,50sb), Vanderwal/Alou
  (both .300ish) and Walker (17hr) is at least as good as SD's Four Tops of 
  Fernandez,Sheffield,Gwynn and McGriff, and Vanderwal/Grissom/Walker have been
  an airtight defensive outfield in recent games...

--Any other legitimate candidates for NL manager of the year besides Felipe Alou
  ?? 

--4 games out and breathing down the Pirates' necks...

*******************************************************************************
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Concordia U.     *
Montreal,Canada  *
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Subject: Where will Oakland be playing Aug. 14,15,or 16?
From: korver@nova.cs.uni.edu ( Juliana Korver )
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:18:33 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Univ of Northern Iowa


Could someone please tell me where the Oakland A's will be playing the
weekend to August 14,15 and 16?

Thank you.
Juliana Korver 
korver@cs.uni.edu
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Student System Administrator
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Organization: University Relations - Diane, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:55:34 -0400 
From: Todd Harris Fletcher <tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Pedro Guerrero
Distribution: na

>Does anyone have any speculation as to whom the Cardinals are going to
protect?

Let's seee.....you'll have to bear with me (Pirate fan).....

The first ten should be easy:

Ray Lankford
Felix Jose
Brian Jordan
Todd Zeile
Tom Pagnozzi
Donavan Osborne
Mike Perez
Omar Olivares
Bob Tewksbury
Lee Smith

Now it gets tricky....

John Ericks should be considered, but his numbers last year were aweful.
Geronimo Pena is injured, so his health will be a factor.
Mark Clark progress well last season going from AA to the Bigs.
Rheal Cormier has excellent control (8 BB in 68 IP)  Not dominating.
John Kelly had a 1.38 ERA and 1.00 H&W Ratio with 30 Saves.  He is leading the
       Texas league in save this year with 26.
Rod Brewer - they've been waiting a while on this guy. But has 13 HR and
65 RBI.
Rigo Beltran is 6-1 with a 1.98 ERA.  Struck out 178 in 139 IP over last 2 yrs.
Allen Watson is another strikeout pitcher with great control-Why doesn't
he win?
Ozzie Canseco is an old prospect but is hitting a lot of homeruns.

Out of those guys I'd probably say....

Mark Clark
Rigo Beltran
Allen Watson
John Kelly
Rheal Cormier

Don't be surprised if they leave Lee Smith or Bob Tewksbury unprotected
or trade them before the end of this season so they can protect Ericks
and Brewer.

-Todd
From: jm0i@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSEPH ALOYSIUS MCVEIGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Where have all the flakes gone?
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:32:29 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

poutsmaj@mace.cc.purdue.edu writes:

>My mind can't think of the name right now but I recall a very loud NL
>umpire who uses an exxagerated motion when calling balls and strikes
>(pardon the euphemisms).  What is his name?
>
>paul

You could be referring to Dutch Rennart...Isn't he the guy who, on a strike,
will take a quarter-turn, get on one knee, point toward the on-deck circle,
and scream, "STRIIIKE...WUUUUUUN!!! <etc>"?

                                                    - JAM

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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 20:59:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <Jul.26.16.09.30.1992.14375@pilot.njin.net> gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky) writes:

>can you believe (anyone) that someone had the gall to mention
> jack morris as a serious candidate for the cy young award - while
> NOT mentioning roger clemens????

Sure I can believe it -- at this point, considering the Rocket
for the Cy in any season just about goes without saying...

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From: efindler@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Edward Findler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Jeffrey Hammonds
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:52:31 GMT
Reply-To: efindler@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Edward Findler)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


Does anyone out there have the college stats for Jeffrey Hammonds and/or
opinions about his future?  Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Ted Findler
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From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: Mock NL Expansion Draft (Long)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:25:00 GMT

Since I have been preparing for a doctoral qualifier, it has been a while since 
I have posted to rec.sport.baseball. However, i looked at this draft and 
noticed two things which were wrong about it at a glance:

1. Tim Wallach was not listed among the protected Montreal Expos. Assuming he 
is not traded, he would have to be protected. This is because he is a 10/5 guy 
and all 10/5 players must be protected. Although Dennis Martinez would be 
protected anyway by Montreal, he also must be protected for the same reason. 
This means that Archi Cianfrocco is likely to be left unprotected relative to 
the other 14 Expo players. I have not checked to see how many other 10/5 
players were not listed as protected on other teams, however.

2. It does not include the fourth round of the draft. By round, I mean the 
series where a one player from each team is drafted by the Marlins or the 
Rockies. As a concession to the AL, the NL agreed to having a fourth round 
where only players from NL franchises would be drafted.
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From: jhg8680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon  Hamkins)
Subject: Re: Yount closing on 3000 - How close?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:57:37 GMT
Keywords: brewers robin yount

wilbanks@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dylan Wilbanks) writes:

>I understand that Robin Yount is close to 3000 hits. The question is, 
>How close? I have ticket for the Rangers-Brewers series on the weekend 
>of Aug.15-16. What are the chances that he'll be within range of it 
>by then?
>-- 

It's possible, I suppose, but really it's not likely.  The Brewers
have 18 games from 7-27 to 8-14, counting a double-header make-up game
on 8-14 with Boston on the 14th, and as of today Yount has 2,968 hits.
He needs 32 more hits, and so far this season he has averaged about a
hit a game.  Figuring that he'll get about 80 at bats, he has to bat
.400 for the next few weeks to be in range by the weekend you'll be
there.  Certainly, it's possible for that to occur, but I wouldn't bet
on it.
 
     ----Jon Hamkins  (hamkins@uiuc.edu)
         University of Illinios
         Urbana, IL
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From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Not Here" Smith)
Subject: Re: minor leage info
Organization: The Little Minors of the Poor
Distribution: na 
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:06:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.223054.8692@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.220004.9216@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!) writes:
>>does the major league team 'own' their minor league teams as well? or is
>>there a contract between the major league owner and the minor league
>>owner?
>
>There have been instances of the owner of a major league team also owning a
>minor league team (I don't think any currently do, though I believe the
>Tribune Company is trying to buy the Orlando team).  

The Tribune Company seems all set to buy the SunRays. The Cubs are losing
their AA team when the Charlotte Knights are advanced to AAA. This will 
break up one of the longest minor-major league relationships. 

Isn't the Tribune Company also trying to buy the Rockford Expos so that 
they can get out of Peoria? 

Other than the Trib, I think the Atlanta Braves own the Richmond Braves 
amd maybe the Greensville Braves. The Blue Jays own some of their lower
level teams. Much of the Florida League is "operated" by their parent 
clubs. I think this works out to ownership in most cases. One of the 
stranger relationships is the Baseball City Royals who are affiliated
with the Royals, but owned by the Busch Entertainment group.

>Most, but not all, teams have PDCs.  Those that don't are referred to as
>"Independent", and are responsible for getting their own players.  An
>interesting book concerning the experiences of a minor league owner who
>didn't have a PDC with a major league team is _Good Enough To Dream_, by
>Roger Kahn.  

Let me just second this. _Good Enough to Dream_ is my favorite baseball
book. It's a very good read and has all the excitement of a close
pennant race. At the same time, it's a good picture of what life in the
low minors is like. 

-- 
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 Prove it! Show us your work!  |  Mediots, the things that are not!
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From: bst@wang.com (Bruce Tannenbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Carolina League (A) All-Star Roster
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:23:42 GMT
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA

mcmath@csb1.nlm.nih.gov (Chuck McMath) writes:

>For those of you interested, here is the All-Star roster for the Carolina
>League (class A ball), from the Washington Post of July 22:

>Affiliations:

>Lynchburg      = Red Sox              

>Northern Division                     

>if John Malzone       Lynchburg        

FYI - This is the son of the great Frank Malzone, former Red Sox star
third baseman.

-- Bruce 
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From: tjs@earth.wustl.edu (tom sullivan)
Subject: Re: Reasonably priced good team
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:12:17 GMT

In article <3970@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.213254.23833@leland.Stanford.EDU> bohnert@leland.Stanford.EDU (matthew bohnert) writes:
>>In an aside to the common practice of assembling (usually) high-priced
>>`Dream Teams', my friend Juan and I today went about the task of
>>creating what we thought was a pretty good team of reasonably priced
>>players.  
>
>This is really very similar to trying to pick an expansion roster.  The
>overlap between "cheap" players and "unprotected" players is quite large.
>
>Let me take a stab at two "cheap" rosters that might be competitive:
>
>		NL					AL
>
>	Jose Oquendo		2B		Scott Fletcher

I don't think I'd list Jose Oquendo as a cheap player. He's only
paid somewhere between 1 and 2 million a year. In fact, he's paid
so much that the Cardinals may not protect him, assuming that the
expansion teams will figure he's not worth the money.

How about Geronimo Pena or Luis Alicea of the Cards to replace Jose.


tom
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