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From: a-kevinp@microsoft.com (Kevin Purcell)
Subject: Re: Yankee behind the wheel.. {HELP!}
Date: 31 Dec 92 22:42:39 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

Blue circle signs are MUST DO.

Blue rectangle signs are INFORMATIONAL (look it up in the Highway Code).

For example, a white horizontal arrow on a blue circle is "you must go
down the street this way. The usual one way street sign (white vertical
arrow on a blue rectangle) is an informational sign, not a command.

Motorway exits are CONSISTENTLY signed (see the Design/Psychology of Everyday
THings for a good explaination of this). Every junction is signed in exactly 
the same way: from a distant large blue sign with exit number town/city names
and road numbers, to next sign just road numbers, through the coundown signs 
to a blue confirmer sign (with road number) at the exit and a route 
confirmation sign following the exit. Amazingly logical. Completly unlike the
randome freeway signage used in the US.

I drove around Oakland last week because the signage for Sacramento suddenly
dissapered (on I-580) and I was confronted with a sign saying SF or San Jose.
I didn't want go to either places especially not across the bridge! 

The one thing that gets me in Seattle is in the city part of I-5 you can
enter or exit the freeway on either side of the road. I drive a 1967 SAAB 96
which accelerates like a slug so entering the "fast" lane is always an
adventure.

Kevin Purcell
"oh to be in Liverpool now that winter is here"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: eac@world.std.com (Eric A Cottrell)
Subject: Re: British Imperial Weights and Measures
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:39:32 GMT

In <Dec28.193108.50491@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> hugh@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Hugh Graham) writes:

>The US pint is 16 US fluid ounces (cf UK pint = 20 UK fluid ounces) and this 
>useful fact is sometimes taught to our Merkun cousins by the simple-to-remember
>phrase:-

Hello,
This has been a source of discussion at work. I calculated taken the U.S. and
Imperial Gallon that a British Pint is only about 3.6 U.S. ounces more than
a U.S. Pint and that a British Ounce is slightly smaller than a U.S. ounce.
Is This True? If not, can someone tell me how many.
73 Eric WB1HBU eac@world.std.com   "I'm a merkin and I'm OK"
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Banned: ``Happy Holidays'' [sic]
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 06:05:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.211132.19133@microsoft.com>, frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
> In article <1992Dec15.123843.13440@its.bt.co.uk> tjo@its.bt.co.uk (Tim Oldham) writes:
> >In article <suplick.724377812@mikey> suplick@convex.com (Jean Suplick) writes:
> >>Happy holidays!  ;-)
> >
> [deletion]
> >
> >I don't know what the fuck you celebrate in December in other parts
> >of the world, but in Britain and Northern Ireland it's Christmas and
> >the New Year.
> >
> >Wishing you a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year,
> >
> 
> I'm sure all the British Jews will be happy to hear this.

Why worry about the Jews? At least they have honiker (this is definitely
*not* how you spell this) to play with but what about all the muslims,
hindi, etc who don't have a religious celebration about this time of year.
Let alone the atheists who everyone seems to ignore when it comes to
talking about religious freedoms (see G. Bush).

Let's face it, christmas is the celebration of a religious minority and
shopkeepers.

Simon.

-- 
  Simon Patience
  Open Software Foundation			Phone: +33-76-63-48-72
  Research Institute				FAX:   +33-76-51-05-32
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From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: The miners, again
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:54:50 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

You'll recall the long shouting match about pit closures, back in
October.  The High Court has now ruled on the case.  They've ruled that
the original plan (close 31 pits, loss of 30000 jobs) was unlawful.
The subsequent plan, to review the case for 21 of the pits and to close
the other 10 without review, was judged 'irrational and unlawful', and
was quashed.

As I understand it (not being a legal beagle), the legislation under
which the pits were originally nationalised, and as subsequently
amended and which is still in force, gives the unions a legal right to
be involved at the planning stage, if pit closures, or job losses over
some magic number, are involved; and requires that there be some form
of impartial review available.

The court has ordered British Coal to negotiate with the unions and to
develop and use a review process for these pits which involves the
unions, and which includes independent outside scrutiny.  British Coal
and Heseltine's Department are to pay the unions' court costs in the
case.  British Coal are considering an appeal; no word yet as to
whether they will apply for one.

Heseltine seems to admit that there were legal, as well as political,
mistakes made in the original announcement of the closures.  However,
surprise surprise, he insists that it is not a 'resigning' matter.

Since the original announcement, though, something on the order of
5000 miners have taken voluntary redundancy.  (For the US readers,
that's 'We (the company) will give you a nice lump-sum payment if you
will resign voluntarily'.)  Average redundancy awards seem to have been
somewhere between 12000 and 18000 pounds.

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Happy Christmas!
Date: 31 Dec 92 17:04:17 GMT
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

In article <1992Dec23.155048.10981@vax.oxford.ac.uk> wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>Which is in turn a mistranslation of something in Greek which was once upon a
>time a quotation in Hebrew.

Umm.. wasn't Luke's gospel originally written in Greek?  Anyway, the
text of Luke ii:14 reads

	Doxa en hupsistois theo:i
	kai epi ge:s eire:ne: en anthro:pois eudokias

Hope that helps, and a Happy Solstice to you all.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Gerry prayer corner
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:37:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.025806.28341@osf.org> dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
>snuffy@netmbx.netmbx.de (R.J. Bartle) writes:
>>
>>Well here the brit war pensioner again who has been made more welcome here in
>>berlin the last 14 years whan i was most of my life in britain and 25 other
>>coutries! Just tellin you how incredibaly BIZARE I find lawrences mails!
>
>Does DSY have a student?

	If so, he's not doing a very good job.  Ron makes sense.
	All he needs is typing lessons.

	Alec

From: rogerp@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Roger Pollard)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 22:09:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Yankee behind the wheel.. {HELP!}
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british

In soc.culture.british, a-kevinp@microsoft.com (Kevin Purcell) writes:

> Blue circle signs are MUST DO.
> 
> Blue rectangle signs are INFORMATIONAL (look it up in the Highway Code).

The important think about road signs in the UK are their SHAPE --
in general, all circular signs GIVE ORDERS, 
	    all triangular signs give WARNINGS and 
	    all rectangular signs give INFORMATION.

In the case of circular signs, a symbol in a red circle tells you about a
restriction (e.g. max. speedlimit, no cyclists, etc.) whilst a blue circle
tells you something you must do (e.g. turn left, min. speed, etc.) The
system is very logical, even if some of the symbols seem a bit obscure
to the uninitiated (try the "give way to oncoming traffic" sign, for example).


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                                   Hewlett-Packard Company
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From: inr@deimos.caltech.edu (I. Neill Reid)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: re: The story of the Scottish flag
Date: 29 Dec 1992 04:22 PST
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: deimos.caltech.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    


Further clarification - first, my initial post (to which
corrections apply) was titled 'history' of Scottish flag
(not story); second, I omitted to excise lines of a previous
exchange from that post. Apologies - teach me to try to save
space

inr@eccles.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Banned: ``Happy Holidays'' [sic]
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:11:32 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group
Distribution: soc

In article <1992Dec15.123843.13440@its.bt.co.uk> tjo@its.bt.co.uk (Tim Oldham) writes:
>In article <suplick.724377812@mikey> suplick@convex.com (Jean Suplick) writes:
>>Happy holidays!  ;-)
>
[deletion]
>
>I don't know what the fuck you celebrate in December in other parts
>of the world, but in Britain and Northern Ireland it's Christmas and
>the New Year.
>
>Wishing you a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year,
>

I'm sure all the British Jews will be happy to hear this.

Frank

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: British Flags and Chritmas Wishes
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:44:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.211517.11169@e2big.mko.dec.com> holohan@mark.enet.dec.com (Mark Holohan) writes:
>
>   The Union Flag should more appropriately be called, the Jolly-Roger.

	The response will probably be gone from our system by the time I
	return, so I'll just pause to observe that the term "Jolly Roger"
	is a corruption of the French "jolie rouge" (pretty red, or "pretty
	in pink" for those used to rum, bum, and concertina).  Pirates
	typically flew a red flag, probably because they subscribed to the
	theory that all property is theft.  So, to the tune of that ever-
	popular Christmas carol:

		The people's flag is deepest red,
		It's shrouded oft their martyr dead,
		etc...

	At this point, I pause to offer the compliments of the season to
	all.  Especially to those who have educated, corrected and entertained
	me so much over the past months.

	Alec
From: mckeonj@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Banned: ``Happy Holidays'' [sic]
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:34:39 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <vl=r41m@lynx.unm.edu>, MPLATT@MEDUSA.UNM.EDU (Mark Platt) writes:
> In article <128030003@otter.hpl.hp.com> Andrew Farmer,
> arf@otter.hpl.hp.com writes:
>>	Bah! Humbug!
> 
> good old Tim Oldham, yes tim it is Xmas in England one good reason that
> england has a way of making all other religions feel worthless, after 6
> years of being beaten up as a "YID" at a fairly good grammer school I can
> safely say that the attitude its Xmas I'm the majority and stuff it you
> lot is fairly typical of what I encountered from my school "chums" it may
> be PC to say happy holidays but it does acknowledge that there are some
> others in the world carry on with your merry Xmas though it makes me
> remmeber my school days
But not, apparently, your English lessons.
Are you bucking for some kind of unpunctuation record?
-- 
"If England sleeps, shall Ireland dream?" : Se/an macEoin
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From: coupdtod@cs.montana.edu (Todd Trotter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: History of the British Isles
Date: 26 Dec 92 02:46:05 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717

If anyone good suggest a good title, or titles, on the history of the
British Isles I'd be greatful.  Respond via e-mail, and thanks in
advance.

-- 
coupdtod@cs.montana.edu                                   A.K.A  Todd Trotter
coup d' tod (koo da todd) [F.][Gr.]  Politics.  1. A sudden decisive exercise
 of force whereby a person beats their head against the existing government. 
 2. Literally, a head butt.
From: evansg@uproar.enet.dec.com (Gwyn Evans)
Subject: VNS: Thu 24-Dec-1992 {Merry Christmas}
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 10:54:52 GMT


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     Here is the News at 09:00 GMT on Thursday 24-December-1992
     ----------------------------------------------------------

     UK News
     -------
     FT-SE = 2836.6
     Exchange Rate 1 UK pound = $ 1.5340 = Dm 2.4371

     Road conditions around Britain are very bad again. There have been many
     accidents over the last few days, many caused by drivers going too fast
     in the fog.

     British Coal are agreed a 1 year contract to buy coal from a field in
     Lothian which was leased from the Coal Board by redundant miners last
     year. The coalfield was closed in 1988. A strike in Poland has cut off
     supplies of cheaper coal causing a shortage.

     {Political joke: how many Conservatives does it take to change a light
     bulb? Answer -- None. They sit in the dark and wait for inspiration. }

     European News
     -------------

     Britain, France and the USA are still unable to agree on the measures to
     enforce the UN air exclusion zone over Bosnia. Britain and France want to
     stop flights whereas the USA also want to be able to bomb Serb airfields.

     International News
     ------------------

     US and French relief convoys are pushing further into Somalia to bring
     supplies to the people there.

     {News courtesy of the BBC}

     Local Weather
     -------------

     Widespread frost and freezing fog again.

     {editor's Christmas Note: I would like to wish all readers a Happy
     Christmas and a Good New Year. To quote a 10-year old: "I wish there was
     less fighting in the world". tfp}

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From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: US bombed Libyan civilians
Date: 18 Dec 92 23:19:03 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <BzArI5.7w7@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
>andrewg@brtph346.BNR.CA  writes:
>
>>Who said anything about cheering them on. I merely said they could find some
>>excuse for bombing Libya. Eg. Libya gives weapons and explosives to the
>>IRA. The
>
>
>Guess you forgot about the bombing of a certain disco in Germany full of US
>servicemen then. eh?
>Or the Aquina Lauro? Or the "Line of Death"?
>
>That was the main reason given by the US for the retaliatory strike.
>
>

Yes, and it was also bogus. A year later, the Americans admitted that it
wasn't the Libyans at all, but the Syrians. Still, I guess one Arab is
as good as another when you are demonstrating to the little people that
they had better stay in line or else, eh?
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Christmas mesage to s.c.b.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 05:51:10 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:

- In article <yBBZVB5w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
- > Christmas.  A time to celebrate the birth of Christ.
-
- More like,
-
- Christmas. A time to go out and reflate the economy by buying all the
- relatives expensive gifts and stocking the larder and drinks cabinet for
- the impending gain in weight.

  That's  only if you you get sucked into the commercial vortex.

-
- > Also the time for Britons to fear the IRA.  And this year, the crown in
- > crisis.
- >
- > This year, I would like to say merry Christmas to you all!
- >
- > Peace on Earth definitely! Let all Britons, English, Socts, Irish and
- > welsh (Cyrmite) all come together in brotherly love.
-
- Peace, except the bits that the IRA get to. Is Cyrmite a new type of
- explosive?

  The term Welsh seems to be derogatory, just imagine, a forigner on home soil?
Welsh is after all the Saxon word for foreigner.  Cymrite is a compromise
calling the people of Wales a welcome lot.

-
- > Cheers mate, and let be happy during this festive season,
-
- I would also like to thank Dave for making 1992 a much more amusing year
- than it would have otherwise been. Now, where's that sherry!
-
  Care for a simple recipe for a drink called Molotov cocktail?
  Liberals cheering each other I presume?

- Simon.
-
- --
-   Simon Patience
-   Open Software Foundation                    Phone: +33-76-63-48-72
-   Research Institute                          FAX:   +33-76-51-05-32
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-   38610 Gieres, France                                       uunet!gr.osf.org!


Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to One and All - John Lennon
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Dum dee dum... (was Re: The Borsetshire Echo)
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:32:43 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <11487@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>, colin@cs.uq.oz.au (Colin Millerchip) writes:
> In <1992Dec16.144701.10844@vax.oxford.ac.uk> wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> 
>> [A life-saving update... phew!]
> 
> Many thanks Stephen -- it was gratefully received.
> 
> One question -- what's happened to the Grundys? I've not heard anything
> in yonks -- they haven't *really* gone to France, have they? 
> 
No, they're still chuntering along in Ambridge. The latest is that Eddie (who
BTW has the lead role in Shula's Christmas Mystery Play) has been entering the
children's colouring competition in the Echo so that he can win tickets to see
Britt Eckland in Alladin in Brum. 

-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   For Sale: Posts in British Government. Suit
wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk    |   outgoing American. Highest bids accepted.
From: masa@jyu.fi (Matti Sarkka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: haggis
Date: 25 Dec 92 07:07:37 GMT
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland


 
I had a pleasure to visit Edinburgh two years ago.
During that trip I was served something called HAGGIS punch of times.
I got to admit I liked the stuff allthoug I was told it containing mostly
guts.
 
Because I liked it, and also because (I suppose) it is something really
Scottish, I have tried to find out what HAGGIS is precisely made of, and
also how it is made.
 
The problem is that here in Finland it seems pretty difficult to get to
know these things. So anybody knowing the HAGGIS' recipe, please mail it
here or to me. Also somekind of serving tips would be nice to know.
 
BTW, is there a better newsgroup for recipes ?
 
masa@tukki.jyu.fi I=======================================================I
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Banned: ``Happy Holidays'' [sic]
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:08:33 GMT

Craig Cockburn writes:
>
>
>But the root of "holiday" is "Holy Day". How can it be PC to say "Happy
>Holidays" when it isn't a holiday, nor a Holy day for everyone? Maybe
>it's just PC for the Jews who have a strong presence in the US.
>About 4/5 of shop assistants were saying "Happy Holidays" to me when
>I was over there, the rest said "Merry Christmas"
>

Are you saying that I have to consider the root meanings of all
words before using them?  I have a job and a life, and I don't have
time for such silliness.  I don't think many others do either.
Why LOOK for reasons to be annoyed?  

The dictionaries I consulted gave "a day off work" as the first meaning 
for holiday.  Given this, 'Happy holidays' sounds pretty generic to me, 
and even applies to the atheist contingent (of which I am a happy member).

Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:17975 soc.culture.celtic:8400
From: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: British Flags (was Re: The Welsh Flag)
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:58:02 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Dec22.211517.11169@e2big.mko.dec.com> holohan@mark.enet.dec.com (Mark Holohan) writes:
>
>  
>
>   The Union Flag should more appropriately be called, the Jolly-Roger.
>

Aren't you jolly when you roger?




-- 
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Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;                      
She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: More silly songs.
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Reply-To: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:28:54 GMT

dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
>Quick, before the 12 days are over......
>
>On the first day of Christmas my True Love sent to me,
			       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I took to bed with me
>The Lord Montagu of Beaulieu.
>
>On the second day of Christmas my True Love sent to me,
>Two Boy Scouts
>And the Lord Montagu of Beaulieu.
>
>That's my limit: who knows the rest?

Five--choir---boys.  That's all I know.  I was just warming my hands,
officer, honest.
-- 
David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
Shine out, fair sun, with all your heat!  Black winter freezes to his seat...
The boneless fish close quaking lies...the stars in icicles arise!
From: scrl@otter.hpl.hp.com (Simon Lewis)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:52:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Yankee behind the wheel.. {HELP!}
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british

In soc.culture.british, ewadams@netcom.com (Ernest Adams) writes:


> A couple of other things: there is no right turn on red: red means stop,
                                        ^^^^^

You mean there's no *left* turn on red...