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From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)
Subject: Re: Texas Horns ! News, please, Austin folks !
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:13:27 GMT

In article <seale.726508340@bcserv> seale@bcserv.wustl.edu (Seale (Jeff)) writes:
>conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) writes:
>
>>In article <2B4CD264.3691@news.service.uci.edu> jayakris@translab.its.uci.edu (R. Jayakrishnan) writes:
>>>
[whining about UT's loss to Rice deleted]
>>>
[official-bashing deleted]
>
>
>Don't tell me Tom is going to start crying about the officials again.
>This guy has proven to be nothing but a cry baby since he came to the
>SWC. Every year he bitches about the poor officiating. If he would spend
>the time that he bitches about the officials coaching his team, they
>wouldn't be in the position to have the game determined by the officials 
>in the first place. Granted, the officials suck, but the trend seems to
>be that the SWC office isn't going to do anything else about it.

If you had the "privilege" of watching Austin t.v., you'd know that
Tom doesn't have time for coaching.  According to Penders himself,
"I don't do many commercials, but I decided to do this one for Credit
Cars because ....(blah blah blah).  If you have a job, you can get a
car at Credit Cars."  It's true, he doesn't do many *other* commercials
besides that one, but they show a different one about 15 times per hour.
I've seen Jody Conradt do one or 2 commercials, but not during the 
season.  Maybe Tom should take lessons from her.  For those of you who
don't know, Jody is the women's/lady's/females/p.c.-correct term for the
team that is not the men's team coach who now has over 600 career wins.

>
>Indeed, Jay, add this to another of your list of reasons to jump from
>the SWC. Personally, we don't care how many reasons you guys come up
>with, just get the hell out if you think it will be better. I don't think
>it will be much better though.

I think if UT wants to get better, it needs to stop hiring coaches from
Yankee-land like Rhode Island and Illinois, but then again, I'd just
as soon that UT not get better.
>
>>No, thanks :) - GO TECH!!!!
>
>>>
>>>  Jay  (why am I in California ?..)
>
>>Now for the interesting SWC b-ball news :).  The Tech men are now 7-2
>>after beating Univ. of North Texas 78-70.  Look for them and Houston to
>>give the UT men a real run for the conference crown, especially after UT's
>>opening loss to Rice.  The Tech women are 8-1 (I think) and ranked #11.
>>Look for them to repeat as conference champions this year.
>
>
>The LADY Raiders (for all you p.c.'ers) are 9-1 and ranked #11. Look for them
>to make their first ever appearance in the top 10 with S.F. Austin's loss and
>a LADY Raider victory over Utah tonight. It looks as if once again the LADY
>Raiders will be the cream of the crop in SWC Women's basketball. Here's to
>you, Coach Sharp.

Marsha is a great coach!
>
>Jeff (I love Tech bball)


Paul (me, too.  Go LADY Raiders)
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: FSU beats Wake, 74-72 in OT
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:11:22 GMT


Just got done watching this game on Raycom.  Both teams looked
pretty good in my mind, though I wasn't too impressed with
Harrison, the Georgetown transfer to Wake.  [I wonder if this
has anything to do with why Wake is now wearing Grey home
uniforms?]

The game was unusual in that key players on each team picked
up early fouls, and sat - Sura had 3 in the first 10 minutes,
and Rodney had three by halftime.  Other FSU players were in
first half trouble too, resulting in a second half of 6 team
fouls by Wake (and one was with 9 sec left to waste), and only
5 by FSU.  Charlie Ward was hampered by a bruised foot, so
his minutes were somewhat reduced.

FSU led by as much as 10 in the second half, but Wake battled
back.  FSU had a chance to win it with 18 seconds left, tied
at the end of regulation, but eventually lost the ball out of
bounds with 1.8 seconds left.  Actually, Ward stepped on the
baseline with >5 seconds, but the ref missed it.  Wake was
stupid - instead of attempting a long pass, they threw it
to half-court and called a TO with .4 seconds left.  After
the TO they threw it away, but Frank Scagliotta said it touched
a player, though he couldn't tell Pat Kennedy who, and to OT it
went.  

FSU scored the first few points of the OT, but Wake led by 1
with about 9 seconds left after making two FT's.  Sam Cassell
took the ball and drove the lane, making a runner AND getting
fouled.  SC made the freethrow for the final margin.

I also thought the commentary of Tim Brandt and Bucky Waters
was pretty good, especially compared to Billy "Fudge" Packer
and company.  

Based on the play in this game, I get the feeling that neither
of these teams will be in serious running for the #1 or #2 spot
in the regular season, but either could do serious damage in the
ACC Tourney given breaks and good health.

OD

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From: markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Georgia Tech over Duke by 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:11:33 GMT

ROBERT MACKENNA writes:
>Mike Dunnagan writes:
>>
>>This was a classic ACC game, and it was fun to watch. The one thing that
>>pissed me off was the foul they gave to Mackey on that screen. Hey, that
>>was no foul. Hurley ran into Mackey, plain and simple. I'm starting to
>>think these media darlings get special treatment. <g>
>
>Okay dude, next time we're on the playground, and I'm setting a pick and
>as you come by I deliver a forearm to your head, just remember that was
>no foul.

I agree that it wasn't a foul and have heard many people (and they aren't 
all anti-Dookies) say it wasn't a foul either (including the announcers of
the game).  Mackey's hands came a couple inches off of his body, but that's
only natural.

Orin or R.Clough want to give us a more objective opinion?  No :) intended.

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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Who's almost isn't no. 1 :) Re: Who's Number 2?
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 5 Jan 93 12:47:14 CST

In article <1993Jan5.053243.17653@news.acns.nwu.edu> marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski) writes:
>
>In another message a KU fan disputes my assertion that IU is a far superior
>basketball team.  He does so by listing the roster and the players'
>attributes.  This is TV-droid talk, friend.  If you want to see why IU is a
>better team than KU watch the tapes of the games.  IU plays much smarter
>basketball and its players are thinking and moving in a much more
>sophisticated fashion than KU's.  IU makes unusual plays, counterintuitive,
>surprising and picks apart the opponent's defense with a variety of tools.
>It is not particularly important that none of IU's players save Chaney are
>extremely good athletes.  Basketball is not an individual sport.  As a
>team, IU is a far superior, and may I say, far more fun basketball team to
>watch, even when losing, than KU, if you are into pure basketball played by
>a highly intelligent group coached with great savvy.

Hey, is this guy a Boilerweenie or Goober Clueless agent planted by Steve
or Goob at Northwestern to embarass IU?  This is good, guys.
-- 

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From: "Sid Kitchel" <kitchel@cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: UK 81 IU 78
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 11:06:35 -0500

creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps) writes:
>   IU's roster is only nine, with Pat Graham being injured, and
>what's-his-name (I _really have_ forgotten his name) leaving IU.
>Wow, that's not even enough to have a scrimmage game!

For the record:
	1)  What's-his-name is Malcom Sims, he who wants more
		"set plays".

	2)  IU is practicing with 10, but only dressing 9.

The 10th player is Todd Lindemann who is red-shirted this year.

						--Sid
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From: gritter@cs.purdue.edu (Carl Gritter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: NCAA rule question (Was: Big Ten Update (1-5-92))
Date: 5 Jan 1993 15:29:36 -0500
Organization: Purdue University Department of Computer Sciences
Distribution: world
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Keywords: Big Ten


In article <1993Jan5.120434.24036@walter.cray.com>, mb@cray.com (Maynard Brandt) writes:
|> In article <C0E4xI.1HF@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
|> >Conference play begins tonight!!!

||> >Iowa		11	 0	 0	 0	      8		 8	  6
|> >Purdue	 9	 0	 0	 0	      9		 9	 19
|> >Michigan	10	 1	 0	 0	      3		 3	 10
|> >Michigan State	 8	 1	 0	 0	     15		14	 48
|> >Minnesota	 8	 1	 0	 0	     45		35	 13
|> >Indiana	11	 2	 0	 0	      4		 5	  3
|> >Ohio State	 7	 2	 0	 0	     35		40	 15
|> >Wisconsin	 7	 2	 0	 0	     --		--	 84
|> >Illinois		 7	 4	 0	 0	     --		48	 61
|> >Northwestern	 5	 4	 0	 0	     --		--	123
|> >Penn State	 5	 4	 0	 0	     --		--	133

|> Have heard that if a team wins 20 games, it has a virtual lock on an NCAA
|> tourney position.  Since it is easier to get the 20 if you play 31 games
|> as Indiana will (assuming all its games are counted) than 26 games as
|> Minnesota will (one of its games won't be counted), how many games is a
|> team allowed to play prior to the NCAA tourney?

27 is the allowed number.  Hence in the Big Ten it is 18 conference games and
9 preseason.  However, games in tournaments like the NIT and ones held outside
of the continental USA (I.e. Hawaii, Alaska) do not count.  Thus  IU can play 13 games 
(9 normal + 4 NIT games),  Michigan , Illinois, and Iowa can play 11 (for UM he 3 in the
Rainbow Classic count as 1 game, I think), but  Minnesota  and the rest of the Big Ten
can play only 9.   Up to this year, the Hall of Fame Classic did not count toward the 27 
but apparently this year it does because Purdue is only playing 9 preseason games.

The 20 game theory is certainly not hard and fast.  The tournament committee takes a
careful look at who you won and lost against.  In recent years stength of schedule has
become a  more important factor than 20 wins (probably due to availability of computer
rankings).

Carl
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From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Duke Neuters the Terriers, 106-62
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:11:58 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

In article <8309@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>
>  As a result of all the bench practice, the starters had modest numbers.  
>T.Hill had 16 pts (all in the first half, prompting the crowd to cheer: 
>"Thomas has 16, Boston has 16!")

The Duke students were home? That's the most boring crowd chant I've
ever heard of. Worse than "Air ball" or "Hey hey hey goodbye."

When they aren't being malicious little *****, the real Duke students
chant funny stuff like "5 don't work".

However maybe we've been misled: maybe all the golden nuggets are
just accidental and the Duke student body chants real boring
**** all the time and the funny stuff is just an artifact of
mountains of dross.
-- 
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From: stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman)
Subject: UNC on radio
Originator: stuart@mingus
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:46:17 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA


Since WBT Charlotte (AM 1110) dropped UNC basketball games, in favor of the 
Hornets' broadcasts (although they ARE carrying some Duke games....ouch!), 
I know that some of us have been searching for an alternative radio source
for the Heels. Well, apparently, WBAL Baltimore (nearby on the dial, some-
where between 1050 & 1170) is now trying an all-sports format (maybe on 
weekends only?). I know that they're carrying some of the ESPN Radio Network
programming, and I heard them promoting a future UNC game broadcast. May 
just be a one-game deal, but it's worth checking. Anyone know for sure?

                                           -stuart@apollo.hp.com

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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Biased Fans / Bad Refs
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 7 Jan 93 11:24:19 CST

In article <C0Hsqv.A0F@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps) writes:
>In article <1ifk07INNglh@shelley.u.washington.edu> crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>>
>>Welcome, Mr. Cheesehead, to Philosophy 101  Reality and Perception.  The 
>>syllabus before you will explain the topics to be covered this quarter:
>
>   I think Brian would probably rather be called "Mr. Moo Moo" than
>"Mr. Cheesehead."  He went to Purdue, you know.

Well, "Moo-Moo" is already taken by a certain UCLA poster (are there cows
in California?).  It would probably be more appropriate to make fun of the
beer-drinking aspect of my Wisconsin "residency".  I do now have a Wisconsin
driver's liscense and Wisconsin plates, so I guess my transition to being a
cheesehead (or is that head cheese?) is nearly complete.

>   Now that I think about it, you need cows to make most cheese.  Eureka!

Sort of a natural progression, don't you think?
-- 

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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject:  UNC vs NCSU
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:31:18 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division


So what was the score?  I was not by a TV last night.  Someone at work said
that NC State had 3 players declared ineligible before the game so I can
imagine that only made it worse!  Did the Wolfpack have to call guys down 
from the stands to suit up and play?
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Picks and Screens, please???? Re: Biased Fans / Bad Refs
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:36:09 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1993Jan6.225259.3414@news.acns.nwu.edu> marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski) writes:
>Items (H) and (I) pretty please?  What is a good pick?  What is an illegal
>screen?  Serious replies only...

Good pick: One set by Indiana,Duke or North Carolina(note this is all picks)
Illegal Pick: One set by any other school who tries the same trick except
Kansas which either never gets called for it, or gets called every time
depending on the phases of the moon.

I hope you were not serious about the serious replies part.




Russ Smith
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Subject: SWC info?
From: bsutesch@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:34:59 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

Will someone please post some information on how the
SWC is doing?

Thanks,

Brian
From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The Quality of this Group
Date: 7 Jan 1993 20:59:57 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

creps@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Stephen A. Creps) writes:
>
>   Since I've started getting more time to post to this group again,
>have people noticed that the quality of r.s.b.c  has improved quite
>significantly?

No, there is still too much damn Big Ten and ACC crap in this group.

Cliff (The Pac 10--where men are men and nobody knows how to play
       basketball) Slaughterbeck

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From: suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick.Suffridge)
Subject: Re: Kentucky over Indiana
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 17:56:32 GMT

fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
: Wes Morgan writes:
: >Lots of "ticky-tacky" fouls were called; thanks to Kentucky's 
: 
: Lots of missed and blown fouls. My favorite: Mashburn's chest
: fouling Henderson's elbow. Even my 12 year old daughter wondered
: about that one. 
: 
  Or how about the last IU bucket when Damon Bailey stuck out his
  knee to trip Rhodes and allow Cheaney to get by him?
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From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Duke-Tech game
Date: 7 Jan 93 06:25:24 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Any brave souls out there willing to predict that Tech will upset Dook on
Sunday?  Just interested is all.  I just stood in line to get my student 
ticket, and no it wasn't nearly as long a period of time as it is at Dook.
I stood in line a modest seven hours.  The earliest people got there was at
about 2:00 pm.  The tickets were given out at midnight.  I think this game
is being broadcast by CBS.  Anybody able to confirm this?
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From: markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Lotsa Stuff
Keywords: O'Bannon Colson Kal Kidd
Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:21:29 GMT

Charles D. Croxton writes:
>Matthew Merzbacher writes that he challenges any conference to send 5 first
>round picks to the pros and still have an up year.  Well, it may not be the
>best year the ACC has ever had, but still pretty good (as of now, 2 top ten
>teams, 4 total top 20, a couple of others close), and the ACC sent 5 pretty
>good players to the pros in the first round last year --

Make that 6.

Christian Laettner (Duke) #3
Tom Gugliotta (NCSU)      #6
Walt Williams (Maryland)  #7
Bryant Stith (Virginia)   #13
Hubert Davis (UNC)        #20
Jon Barry (Georgia Tech)  #21

And this week, the AP Poll had 5 in the top 25 (Duke 1, UNC 6, GaTech 10,
FSU 18, Virginia 25) with Clemson, WFU, and Maryland all in the top 40.

That only leaves NCSU.

-- 
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Bell Northern Research, Inc.
From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: How long will Rich Manning be out?
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:29:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1i9ol0INN8gv
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Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:

>Anyone over at UW who can help out?  All I heard was that in the win over
>Dartmouth, Manning hurt his knee.  Is it serious?  Is he expected back in
>time for the game next Saturday?

It was hyperextended.  MRI showed no serious ligament or cartilidge damage.
He is expected to be out for 10-14 days, so that would make his a "posssible"
against WSU on Saturday.  I'll look for him tonight at the game against
Idaho State and report back on how he seems to be walking at least.

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From: marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski)
Subject: Re: B. Knight transfers
Keywords: Knight, Indiana, Malcom Sims
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:01:56 GMT

matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:

after wlmg3055@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William L. Myers) wrote:
>
>> Could a coach build a National Championship team from Knight players who 
>> transfered or left?
>
>>Imaginary lineup 
>>	1.  Isaiah Thomas      		Detroit 
>>	2.  Delray Brooks  		Providence? 
>>	3.  Rick Calloway  		Kansas	
>>	4.  Larry Bird  	 	Indiana St.
>>	5.  Lawrence Funderburke 	OSU  
>
>Given that Bird's Indiana State team was as close to a one-man team as
>you'll see in a national championship game, I would suspect that if you
>gave Larry the above supporting cast, they would be odds on to win a
>national championship.

On the (elephant-sized) assumption that they would be willing to play pat
as supporting cast.  It is not unthinkable that they would play very
individualistically and lose, gasp, even to the 1992/3 KU team 8 out of 10. :)

Especially if we assembled them in any one given year, say 1975. :)

				-- Marek
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From: lhstone@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Louis "Big Lou" Stone)
Subject: IU v. Michigan
Summary: Lane Violation
Organization: Indiana University - Read Center
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:42:21 GMT

The dorm went crazy when Hendershon blocked that last shot tonight
to give IU an impressive win over Michigan.

There was speculation as to whether or not there was a lane violation.
Bobby Knight confirmed it in the post-game, but where were the cameramen
when it happened?

All they did was wonder if it happened.  Where was the tape?  
Thanks for nothing ESPN.

"I've always wanted to do this." - Calbert as he rubs Dick Vitale's head after
   the post-game interview.  A classic.


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From: creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps)
Subject: Re: Kentucky over Indiana
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:35:42 GMT

In article <762.149.uupcb@tfd.coplex.com> gil.levitch@tfd.coplex.com (Gil Levitch)  writes:
>As an afternote, have you noticed how quiet Bobby Knight has been on the
>bench this year? You think he's ON something?

   Yes, the bench.  You just said so.

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