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From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Yog-Sothoth
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:21:15 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <0095FB1D.2FD37BA0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>, gcv2010@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
> In article <17h754INNdl4@agate.berkeley.edu>, jacob@plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu (Jamey Jacob) writes:
>>	Yog-Sothoth is one of the Old Ones from
>>	Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos, and is summoned
>>	to Earth when someone needs to be devoured
>>	in a particularly horrible fashion, or for
>>	dramatic effect.
>>
> (I hate when this happens.)  If memory serves, and it occasionally does,
> "Yog-Sothoth" was writ large on a wall where one of the characters went to pick
> up a car for the villain (see, memory fails right there--I can't remember the
> character's name).  Thanks for the explanation, though.  As you can see, my
> understanding of the phrase wasn't integral to my understanding of the book.
> 
I think King just threw it in to give Lovecraft fans a little thrill.
There was nothing particularily Yog-Sothoth-ish going on in the story.
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Lorne Epp                                               epp@mala.bc.ca
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From: mch@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)
Subject: Re: Freak Show
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:56:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.101435.1864@bvc.edu> frantz@bvc.edu writes:
>Also, (and I'm sorry I can't remember who edited this) I picked up a  
>little gem of a paperback upon one of the netters recommendations called 
>"The Color of Evil."  It's got some wonderful, older stuff in it--even a 
>couple of old fables.  I strongly recommend it.

David G. Hartwell, the editor of _The Dark Descent_ (which consists of 
_The Color of Evil_, _The Medusa in the Shield_ and _A Fabulous 
Formless Darkness_) has come out with another anthology _Foundations 
of Fear_ which is intended as a companion volume to _The Dark 
Descent_. 

From the table of contents it looks like another great anthology.

Mark
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From: user@vax1.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: New horror writers
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:22:08 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

>>authors with great talent..  My favorite all-around writer is Harlan Ellison
>>who wrote one of the most terrifying stories I've ever read, "I Have No Mouth
>>and I Must Scream"   How about you?

He is one of my favorites too!
N...
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: THE UNNAMABLE movie
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:18:43 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


> I have seen HPL's THE UNNAMABLE in my local vid. store and was just 
>    wondering if this was worth renting. Any recomendations... 

Nope, it's not.  Like most HPL movie adaptations, it suffers in the 
translation.  Most of HPL's protagonists were sort of solitary, scholarly
types -- while, once a movie is made, it's almost inevitable that this
will become a college-age kid, his girlfriend and a couple of extras.
Also, while I believe the short story just hinted at some hideous beast
that left its face in the window through hundreds of years of staring
out of it, there's got to be some running around in the haunted house
as the monster shambles after you stuff in the motion picture.  Top
this off with a rock-bottom budget and direct-to-video release, and you
have a real loser.
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From: cape@damien.rtp.dg.com (Chuck Cape)
Subject: Re: Movie Id needed
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 16:55:41 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <BtMw1p.F2v@wpi.WPI.EDU>, avif@maxine.wpi.edu (Avram Finkel) writes:
|> Just tonight, I was watching _Terror in the Isles_, sort of an on-screen essay
|> on horror in film throughout human history(or at least since there's been 
|> movies).  In it, I saw a clip of a movie I think I may have seen, but I can't 
|> remember the name of.  It went sorta like this.
|> 
|> There's this guy in the shower, and he's singing a song.  Through the 
|> semi-translucent shower curtain, you can see a vague humanoid-figure 
|> approaching.  The figure then cuts through the shower curtain with a butcher
|> knife, and claps a plunger over the surprised-looking face of the showerer.
|> This "person" is wearing a large silver helmet which is shaped to look not
|> unlike a beak.  The skin around his eyes and mouth(or at least what we can see
|> of it) is painted black, the rest of his skin is plae white.  His teeth seem to
|> be made of stainless stell, or some other shiny metal.  He begins to talk in a 
|> strange, computer-echo'ed voice, and says "You don't EVER sing that music 
|> again!" 2 or 3 times, and then he says "Do you understand?".  The showerer says
|> "Yes" after the plunger is removed.


I believe that the name of that movie is "Phantom Of The Paradise",
a fairly bad take off of the "Phantom of The Opera". It's been a while
but I can remember not caring for the movie.

Chuck Cape
Data General, RTP NC
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: 10713166@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ROHAN TREGEAR)
Subject: Toady and other stuff
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:59:09 GMT

	Firstly, I would like to cast my vote for an Alt.Vampyres newsgroup. 
Vampirism is definitely a personal obsession of mine and it would be 
beneficial to my own unstable state of mind if I could babble about such 
things with other believers....heh.

	Anyway I would just like to ask a couple of questions and make some 
inane comments, if I may :

(1)	Has anyone out there heard of an allegedly good read called TOADY? I 
   was informed of this book by a friend who assures me that this is 
   definitely a class horror(despite an inauspicious title, eh?). 
   Unfortunately, she can't remember who wrote it and I haven't been able 
   to get hold of a copy anywhere. It is supposed to be The Guy's first 
   novel, anyway, and is apparently a bit Kingish with a plot revolving 
   around kiddies fighting some unimaginable evil. English, I think.

(2)	There was much discussion a while back about Clive Barker's Books of 
   Blood, in particular a story called THE BODY POLITIC. Is this the one 
   about the hands that aquire a will of their own and attempt to take over 
   a city? If so this was an extroardinarily weird, mind-bogglingly cool 
   story. I never would have dreamt such a thing myself, and the tale has 
   really increased the horizons of my imagination. However, I felt really 
   let down by the rest of the book(TBP was the first story) and have not 
   read anymore BoB's since. Can anyone tell me where I might find a Barker, 
   or any other, story in a similar vein as THE BODY POLITIC?
 
(3)	I have seen HPL's THE UNNAMABLE in my local vid. store and was just 
   wondering if this was worth renting. Any recomendations...

(4)	For some bizarre reason I find that the morst disturbing story I 
   have read for many a day is THE SUN DOG from Stephen King's FOUR PAST 
   MIDNIGHT. Now, I have not been scared by a movie or book for a long time, 
   but just occasionally a story will unsettle me, and this was one of 
   those. You may claim that THE LANGOLIERS was better written and 
   generally a better story, but it didn't have any where near the impact on 
   me as did THE SUN DOG. Perhaps this is just me and everybody else 
   thought it was pretty average, but everybody has their own hang-ups I 
   s'pose. Comments welcome...

Thanks
 - Trigger
    and remember The Dead are the Great Majority. They vastly outnumber we 
    who cling to the pathetic lives we lead.... what if....nah, never 
    happen...
From: dlaird@terapin.com (Delbert Laird)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Anthologies...
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:12:58 PST
Organization: BBS

I'm looking for something with deep biting horror that is earmarked with
Lovecraftian style presence.  Works that make the reader drawn into the 
story....I'm very big on long and drawn out confrontations and am lookin for
stories within the modern times.  Hope that clears the air.


Lord Digital
***************************************************************************

"The blasphemous beast rose from the putrid ichorous bile to display its
 cadaverous body and writhe as it lunged forward to grasp a man with its
 decomposing skeletal talons.........Now he's running for a second term."

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From: hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins)
Subject: Re: Dracula - v1.0
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:48:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.174348.8528@vax.oxford.ac.uk> paxton@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>Has anyone out there actually READ Bram Stocker's "Dracula". Following my
>recent query concerning J Harker's escape from D's castle Not one reply came
>from anyone who had read the book, (rather than  comics, films, pop videos
>etc).
>What i did learn was that said material is unsuprisingly very different
>including a play which has Harker as a scion of Dracula with a different wife!

	It's hard to explain what happened about Harker's escape from the
castle, in the novel, because the novel is written in journal format.  It
isn't happening now, but has already happened.  If memory serves, we leave
off as Harker tries to escape the castle and Drac's three wives by shimming
down the side on a bunch of sheets tied together.  Later we pick up him in
a sick state.  I believe the nurses tell him he got some distance from the
castle before passing out.  I'm pretty sure about that, but I don't have
the novel anywhere close to check it.

>
>P.S  On an entirely different and controversial note I reckon S.K's "IT" was
>and inferior ripoff of Bradbury's "Something wicked this way Comes". I'm ready 
>for the flames. :-). 

	Hmm... Maybe.. 
	
				-Casey Hopkins
		"Oh the horror!" - Joseph Conrad
		.
Xref: sparky alt.horror:3709 misc.writing:2765
From: chuq@gallant.apple.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: alt.horror,misc.writing
Subject: Re: Horror Magazines
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:06:41 GMT
Organization: I is a writur

donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
>>
>>Most of the real fun going on with short
>>horror is in the semi-pro world, and for that you need SCAVENGER'S
>>NEWSLETTER and/or GILA QUEEN, both monthly semi-pro market report

I don't have Gila Queen's address on file, but Scav's is:

Scavenger's Newsletter
519 Ellinwood
Osage City, KS 66523-1329


Send her a couple of bucks for a sample issue.

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  chuq@apple.com | GEnie: MAC.BIGOT | ALink:CHUQ =+= Editor, OtherRealms
	A real SF writur with stories in ALTERNATE KENNEDYS and THE 
	  FURTHER ADVENTURES OF BATMAN, in better bookstores now!
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From: hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins)
Subject: Exorcist III
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:59:47 GMT

	Well, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who likes _The Exorcist
III_.  I agree with those that argue that the exorcism scene was rather
gratutious.  To tell you the truth, being where it is at the end of the
movie, it seems rather out of place.  I wasn't that surprised to see it
though, considering some of the horror movies these days.
	As for George C. Scott, I think he did a fabulous job of capturing
character of Kindermann.  He seemed more like the character out of the
novels, then did the actor in the first (I forget his name at this
moment.)
	I've read several reviews about this, and as of yet, haven't been
able to find one that hasn't panned the movie pretty bad.  The only
problems with most of the reviews is that they lack explanation to why they
hated the movie.  I read on by Leonard Maltin that accused the movie of
obvious post-production tinkering.  Luckily, this gave me another reason to
watch it again (I've lost count how many times I've seen it),  and while I
can see what they mean, it lacks any appraisal at all for the film (Acting,
lighting, music, severely tense scenes).  It makes me feel that regardless
of how good a Horror film these days is, it will be panned by critics.
Why?
	I haven't read any bad reviews on this net as of yet either.  Does
anybody not like it?  Speak up, I would love to hear your opinions.  This
show seems to be one of the best modern horror films out there.  It walks
miles over the likes of _Puppet Master_ and _Alien 3_ (Then again, so does
Repossesed (another pitiful movie)).  I encourage flames!  Also tell me
what you like!

				-Casey Hopkins
		"Jesus asked the man his name,
	and he answered, 'Legion, for we are many.'"
				-Mark 5:9

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From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Subject: The Stand - THE MOVIE!!(SK)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:11:04 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

     Does anyone have a list of the cast for the Stand?

I always thought that Phoebe Cates would be a great Frannie,
and that Larry (of Larry, Daryl, and Daryl - Newhart) would
be a great Lloyd Heinreid (stupid and weasly).  As for Flagg,
Scott Glen (Kung Fu) could fill the role.
I think Woody Allen in makeup would be a hilarious Glen Bateman.

   
Jared "Don't Email, I won't get it" Dahl
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Opinions expressed are mine, not IBM's.
Organization: Freshman, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:58:20 -0400 
From: Frederick D Wong <fw0a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Good Horror Films?


I have been watching horror movies both in the theater, television, and
on video since the age of 7 yet the question still hits my mind: what
makes a good horror movie? Well, from my experience here's a rough
compendium based what sort of interests the individual viewer has.

Type I:The lover of "trash"
    Plot and storyline are not the big factors of interest. Sex and
violence are the mainstay for this type of viewer, varying from
homicidal killers using chainsaws to evil sex-crazed appliances. Types
of "good" movies are most likely:
Oversexed Rugsuckers from Mars, Assault of the Killer Bimbos, Sorority
Babes at the Slime Bowl O Rama, Fatal Pulse, and others whose titles
pretty much explain it all.

Type II:The classical horror fan
    Plot, storyline, and suspense are the primary basis of this genre. A
well-thought out thriller that keeps the viewer unaware of what may
happen next. Nearly all Hitchcock movies are this type, personified by
"Psycho" where it doesn't get scarier than that. Old literary classics
such as Nosferatu, Frankenstein, and Dracula put on the silver screen
are that backbone of this genre of horror fan.

Type III:The lover of blood n' guts
    Pure violence and wholesale slaughter of victims are the integral
components of a good horror movie for this type of fan. Whirling
chainsaws, loud screams, and tons of blood are a staple in the book of
horror for this fan. Movies such as The Texas Chainsaw Massacre I,II,and
III, I Spit on Your Grave, Splatter University, Zombie, Return of Living
Dead, Night of the Living Dead, etc. 

Type IV:The lover of versatility
    Basically a little bit of a good storyline, some sex, some violence,
and a little blood from shock make up what this type of fan enjoys. Not
quite mindless nor wholesalely deadly, a good portion of "good" horror
movies usually fit into this genre. They are:Evil Dead I and II, Tourist
Trap, Nightmare on Elm Street I, (the rest weren't as good since Wes
Craven wasn't directing), Halloween I,(the sequels were weak).

Type V:Humorous Horror
    Laughter that accompanies blood make this up, a sadistic view to killing.
Return of the Living Dead and Blood Diner are good examples.

So that's it on what really is a good horror movie. So many subjective
factors, it simply depends on what exactly you want to see in a movie.

FW  
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: gcv2010@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Re: Yog-Sothoth
Reply-To: gcv2010@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 06:10:30 GMT

In article <17h754INNdl4@agate.berkeley.edu>, jacob@plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu (Jamey Jacob) writes:
>	Yog-Sothoth is one of the Old Ones from
>	Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos, and is summoned
>	to Earth when someone needs to be devoured
>	in a particularly horrible fashion, or for
>	dramatic effect.
>
>	I haven't read Needful Things.  In what
>	context was it used?
>
(I hate when this happens.)  If memory serves, and it occasionally does,
"Yog-Sothoth" was writ large on a wall where one of the characters went to pick
up a car for the villain (see, memory fails right there--I can't remember the
character's name).  Thanks for the explanation, though.  As you can see, my
understanding of the phrase wasn't integral to my understanding of the book.

Cheryl
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From: donnell@shark.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Looking for Hellraiser info
Organization: none
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 17:20:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.145856.15857@pellns.alleg.edu> frisinv@alleg.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.022427.19743@eecs.nwu.edu> kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu  
>(Michael L. Kaufman) writes:
>> 3) Were the films based on something that Barker wrote?
>> 
>> Thanks, Michael
>
>They were based on "The Hellbound Heart", a short novel. While I haven't  
>read it yet, my friends tell me that Hellraiser 2 was closer to the book  
>than the first.
>
>------
>Vince

"The Hellbound Heart" is the story that Barker wrote for the movie. He adapted
it for his script, and it is very close to "Hellraiser"
"Hellraiser 2" has nothing to do with Barker or "Hellbound Heart". Closer
to the book? I don't think so...

						--Judex--
From: hapa@cats.ucsc.edu (Doug Easterly)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Movie Id needed
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:06:49 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsco.ucsc.edu


In article <BtMw1p.F2v@wpi.WPI.EDU> avif@maxine.wpi.edu (Avram Finkel) writes:
>movies).  In it, I saw a clip of a movie I think I may have seen, but I can't 
>remember the name of.  It went sorta like this.
>
(actual description deleted....)
>
The film is called "Phantom of the Paradise. It's an odd blend
of "Phantom of the Opera" and "Faust." I never really thought
of it as much of a horror film per se, however. It's often campy
and tongue in cheek before turning melodramatic. 

In all, it's an odd and ideosyncratic film. I believe it was
directed by Brian DePalma (feel free to correct me, it's been
a long time since I have seen it...) and is probably available
on video. If not, it occassionally reappears on television.
Of course, this is generally at 3am, but who needs sleep?

Hope this helps,

Doug Easterly
hapa@ucsco.ucsc.edu

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Sandra's seen a leprechaun,	  Donald heard a mermaid sing,
Eddie touched a troll,		  Susy spied an elf,
Laurie danced with witches once,  But all the magic I have known
Charlie found som goblins' gold.  I've had to make myself.
			-Shel Silverstein
Organization: Sophomore, Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:53:07 -0400 
From: Chiara Noelle Sposato <cs65+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Alt.Vampyres


>dedicated to the vast and timeless world of 
>Vampyres,literature,folklore,movie reviews,amatuer 
>writings,personals(?),organizations,and anything else having to do with 
>the subject of Vampyres..

 sounds wonderful ;->

>This way,if that is a major interest/obsession, you would not have to 
>wade through endless other horror subjects,or feel odd about posting your 
>own obsession...

 exactly!

hope to see it soon
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: J1300DAF@vm.univie.ac.at
Subject: IT a Bradbury ripoff?
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 08:25:28 GMT


Noooo. King was highly influenced by Bradbury, especially Something wicked...
(look it up in King's very good book "Danse Macabre", he lists and
describes SWTWC as one of the 10 best books in the field). So, there
actually is some influence, but IT is
a. much more complex
b. draws different conclusions from similar situations. The influence
of adults on the story is stronger in SWTWC (the father; although
you might argue that he is not a real adult ...)
You are right in that respect, that both books deal with the same
topic (the fears of children), but that doesn't make it a ripoff.

    - Oliver

"I never drink ... wine." (The Count)


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From: sterling@crash.cts.com (Mike Sterling)
Subject: Re: OK.... NOW I'm moving. <packs luggage>
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:30:45 GMT

In <185j6rINNe8h@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall) writes:


>First that antique shop opened up w/ the Monkey from the cover
>of King's "Skeleton Crew" on it as I was re-reading that book...

>...then I saw a black Toronado and tons of sparrows while
>re-reading "The Dark Half..."

>Right now I'm re-reading "IT," and I passed that antique shop on
>my way home from work. Sitting in the window is now an old bike
>that looks just like Silver from the book.

>I'm not making any of this up!!! It's the WEIRDEST string of
>coincidences that's ever occurred to me.

>Hmmmmm... wonder what would happen if I started 
>reading "Penthouse Forum."   :)

Just don't buy anything, especially if it seems to be "too good to be true."

Mike Sterling
>--
From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Anne Rice release Date
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:29:45 GMT
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY

Just in case anyone's interested, Tales of the Body Thief, the fourth
vampire chronicles novel, will be released this October.  Apparently
it has something to do  with Lestat wanting to be human again.
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Subject: mistake on back cover of "IT"
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 15:18:12 GMT


The Signet paperback of "IT" has a minor error on the back cover.
It says "They were seven teenagers when they first stumbled upon
the horror."

They weren't teenagers: they were 11 years old in the "June of 1958"
segments of the book.

<shrugs>  Just thought I'd point that out for King trivia buffs.

-- 
aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu  (Dan Dooovall)

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