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From: cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory Shimer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Exciting game!
Date: 16 Nov 1992 20:20:30 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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The Patriots beat the Colts in Indy for their first win of the season
37-34 in OT.

The Good :

	Patriots : Vincent Brown, John Vaughn, Scott Zolak, kicker
		   Bauman.

	Colts	:  Herrod (gutsy), RB and his blocker, J. George (but only
                   in the third quarter).

The Bad :	PAtriots : Fred Smerlas. too many penalties for one man,
                           but played ok. I think the Pat's had well over
                           100 yards in penaltied for this game. Sheesh.

		Colts :	   J. George, except in the third quarter.
			   The secondary at the end of the half, and the
			   end of the game.

The Ugly :	Jeff George at the end of the fourth/ overtime.
		Colts kicker biasucci's first two FG attempts.
	
		PAtriot's special teams on the first punt return
		coverage.

Overall, the game was very close. The Colts SHOULD have won this game,
but they failed miserably at the end of the game. OF course, you have to
give credit for the Pat's taking advantage of the Colt's mistakes
and winning the game. QB Zolak looked good. Reports of a strong arm are
definitely true. I don't know how mobile he is though. He is also 
confident, and apparently a good leader. I say leave him in, we might win
one or two more games.

I'm glad the PAt's got their first win, but I'm sorry it had to be the 
Colts who lost... I can sympathize. This pretty much puts a damper on
the Colt's season.

Next week the Jets. This is another possible win. (Sorry Jets fans).
Coach Mac has had surgery an is supposedly recovering nicely. He 
should be back for the end of the season.

The injury situation has gotten better for the Pat's.
Agnew and Singelton are back. Still, the offensive line really
needs to mature. And we really need to cut down on those penalties.

(I can't believe they got a 30 yard penalty on a miss-call!)

my Comment on George is that he has great passing ability, but
makes mistakes too often... He should try to force things so much.
From: bergerson@cvdv79.mayo.edu (Chad D. Bergerson)
Subject: Re: Oilers-Vikes game
Reply-To: bergerson@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:08:03 GMT


Warren Moon is the classiest player is the NFL.  All I could think about 
while watching Sunday's game was how good he would look in a Vikes uniform.

Time and time again, he would come up with a big play.  Even after being pounded
to the turf by the ferocious Purple D.  He took hits that would have left a 
lesser QB whimpering on the sidelines.  What a competitor!!  I could not even
bring myself to be really pissed off about losing the game because of my total
respect for this guy.  I was just sorry to see him get hurt at the end of the 
game.

Until the Vikes get a QB of this caliber, we better not get our hopes up for a 
chance at a fifth Super Bowl loss.  It has gotten so that i would rather have 
the Viking Defense on the field because they are more exciting and entertaining
to watch.  I hope that this changes.

                                  Best wishes to Warren Moon and Houston
                                  Maybe a rematch in the Super Bowl  :^)
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From: asagar@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ashish Sagar)
Subject: Bet III
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:47:54 GMT

                           Name                 Pick
                           ---------------------------
                           Greg Franklin        NFC
                           Barry Trottier       NFC
                           Jason Bittle         AFC
                           Ashish Sagar         NFC


Ashish
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 15 Nov 1992 16:34:57 CST
From: <U58582@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: PACKERS ICE PHILLY 27-24!!! YES!!!
 <hatfield.721271999@s6.math.umn.edu> <1992Nov15.211715.7731@ncsu.edu>

The way Chicago is playing right now, against Tampa bay (down 0-20, with
1:22 left in the first half, and ball with TB), I don't think it'd make
a difference whether they are playing Packers or Cowboys next week.

7 changes on the starting line up didn't help, I guess.
Also, the feeling is that they mistook the second half of teh season for
the second half of the game.

Like a disgruntled columnist said lsst week in the Chicago Tribune, the BEARS
can throw in the towel for this season, but they might fumble it or it might
be intercepted.  80 pts. off the turnovers, so far this season.

Way to go Bears!!!
Wonder if Bulls are paying the Bears owner for their popularity surge in
Chicago.
From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Da Bears: Too pitiful to pick on
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:35:33 GMT
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: delarocq@c00515-118rd.eos.ncsu.edu



  I know what you mean. Now the Bears have the same record as the Packers!
 Now they will know how it feels to lose games they should win! The Pack
 has been doing that for years!!! Any way, the NFC Central looks like the
 AFC East this year.. wow... 3 teams with meager records, and 2 good teams
 (Tampa Bay is good-- relatively speaking, of course!)

 Next week: Revenge week: Packers at Bears!!! :)

-- 
delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu


      
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1988,1989,1990,1991 AFC East Division Champions
1991,1992 AFC Conference Champions

Hungry for some fish.. Monday Night Football, November 16, 1992..

If you are a Buffalo Bills fan, email me at delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
so we can talk all about the games, insight, etc.
If you are a Packers fan, let me know. I am interested in any news
out of Green Bay...
A PROUD MEMBER OF THE BILLS COALITION TAKING THE BET II.
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From: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Subject: Dallas Humpday Notes
Reply-To: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:33:32 GMT


     Ike Holt the Karate Man is benched in favor of rookie 1st rounder
Kevin Smith.  Smith made some good plays in the Rams debacle and Holt
didn't.  Everybody knew it was coming, it was just a question of when.
The unproven CB Smith has excellent man-for-man coverage skills and
decent recovery speed.  Holt's biggest downfall was his tendency to
anticipate rather than use his coverage skills.  But his ability to
anticipate routes correctly was also what made him a starter.

     Couple of other changes:  JJ is expected to re-sign LB Mickey
Pruitt to replace Tony Hill.  Hill was placed on IR yesterday.  Also,
Jimmy Jones has a back injury, so Lett and Hennings are expected to 
get more PT.

Source: Dallas Morning News


-- 
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knees*I'd stop it spinnin' round*But as it is, I'm climbing   | My opinions only
up an endless wall*No time this time, No time at all          |
       - The Police, "No Time This Time"                      | Da Boyz are back!!


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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:22:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.072615.17502@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>>1985          Bears 24 Rams 0                Bears 46 Patriots 10
>>Of course, these are the AFC playoff losers better than the NFC champs:
>>
>>84: --
>>85: --
>
>Your emphatic "Of course" seems strange, in light of how decisively
>Miami beat Chicago earlier that year.
 
That was based on 3 reasons:

1) Miami's run defense deteriorated in the playoffs (injuries to the
Killer Bees?) The Browns and the Pats ran all over them. There was no 
evidence that they could have survived the Bears offensive line. 

2) Fuller started that game in December. Jimbo was injured. Don't tell
me Jimbo and Fuller are in the same caliber.

3) The Super Bowl was at a neutral site.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: bittle@niktow.canisius.edu (Jason Bittle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE BET II
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:12:10 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

>                     13. -doug THE dolfan-          Dolphins

> Championship. Only about another 7,620 minutes till kickoff. Hope my wife
> me if I lost THE BET II.

uh.. Doug... you lost!

See ya next year!


-- 
ciao,                             
Jason Bittle (bittle@canisius.edu) 
(a.k.a. Pillsbury Dough Boy )
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From: mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman)
Subject: Re: ]e: Week of upsets or what?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:46:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.195610.68405@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> amr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ANTHONY MICHAEL RUTCH) writes:
>In article <92320.215526U58582@uicvm.uic.edu>, U58582@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>>The fans of the winning clubs may not accept but this does look
>>like a week of upsets.
>>
>>
>>Rams over C'boys
>>Pack over Eagles
>>Bucs over Bears
>>Pats over Colts (Who else can lose to NE?)
>>
>>Of course other games that the fans of losing teams would consider upsets
>>
>>Oilers over Vikes
>>Chiefs over Skins
>>Well the season looks more interesting now.
>>Wonder what would be considered an upset in tomorrows game?
>
>TOO BAD YOU PICKED ALL THESE GAMES AFTER THEY HAPPENED 3:50 GMT ON 11/16
>WE ARE NOT THAT STUPID!

Calm down. I don't think that the poster of the above was trying
to fool us with his picks. I think he was merely reporting on
the results of some of Sunday's games.


===============================================================================
Matt Brockman              NFL: Go Steelers!            mbrockma@ecn.purdue.edu
                          WLAF: Go, Go, Glory!
                           AFL: Go Thunderbolts!
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From: rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Jones....Touchdown 49'errrrrrs!
Date: 20 Nov 1992 07:20:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
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In article <1eh1mrINNh24@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold) writes:
 >In article <Bxy36F.Ku2@acsu.buffalo.edu>,
 >v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...) writes:
 >>In article <4835@equinox.unr.edu>, harrisl@unssun.nevada.edu (Larry Harris)
 >>        writes...
 >>
 >>>BTW, the 9'ers two minute offense was a work of art. Absolutely perfect.
 >>
 >>No.  The Bills running the no-huddle makes every other team's two-minute offense
 >>look befuddled and disarrayed by comparison.  Just how fast and how efficiently
 >>they run it amazes me every time I see it.
 >>
 >>BILLS 26, 'FINS 20
 >>
 >>                                        ---Chet Zeshonski
 
 >Oh come on Chet!  Very few people who have professional opinions
 >regarding the NFL will rarely dispute the fact that the 49ers run
 >the best 2 minute offense in the NFL.  The only other team that I
 >can think of who comes close to the Niners is Denver.
 >The Bills may run the no-huddle great, but I have yet to see them
 >win a Super Bowl with it.  Have you ever wondered why they run
 >the no-huddle Chet?  Have you ever wondered what they may be like
 >if they didn't run it?
 
 >                                                   Tony
 >                                                GO 49ERS!!!

 Also, people have figured out the no-huddle. Its not the no-huddle
 that makes the Bills tick, its Thurman Thomas. Take him away and
 the offense will collapse. You could replace Kelly with Reich who
 runs it pretty well and the receivers are pretty good but not
 irreplaceable. Nope, its Thurman Thomas, and for all his whining
 he does have a legitimate grouse about playing 2nd-banana to Jim
 Kelly.

 Ashu Rege
From: hatfield@s5 (Gary Hatfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Tim Barnett
Summary: Is Tim Barnett back?
Keywords: Chiefs Receiver Barnett
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:54:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: s5.hatfield.722138044
Organization: University of Minnesota


	Does any one know what the deal is with Tim Barnett?
He coaught two touchdowns SUnday but most of this season he has been
a nothing.  was he hurt?  Can we expect that he is now the primary K.C.
wide out?  PLEASE someone who knows the inside stuff on the Chiefs post a
reply or e-mail the info.
			Much Appriated
			Mad Hatter
			hatfield@s6.math.umn.edu
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From: jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber)
Subject: Re: IN DEFENSE OF GANNON
Keywords: VIKINGS
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:29:47 GMT

In article <exujeff.52.0@exu.ericsson.se> exujeff@exu.ericsson.se (Jeff
Thompson) writes:

>=>Hold on fellas, lets not start the GANNON BASHING quite so soon.  I agree 
>=>that he has been ineffective to say the least the last couple of weeks.  

I agree; Rich has had a couple of bad weeks, but let's give him a chance. He
has shown that he can lead the Vikes offense. 

I also think that Gannon has not been getting good protection from the
offensive line in the past few weeks. Also there have been *ALOT* of dopped
balls by Viking receivers. It also seems to me that the Carters have not been
getting open. 

It seems to me that the Viking passing offensive has gotten very conservitive;
ie. very short patterns, not passing deep. The Vikes need to start passing
deep, like they were in the beginning of the year. Now is not the time to get
conservative.

-- 
Joe Huber 
(jbhuber@iastate.edu)        | Capt. James T. Kirk on the 2nd law of thermo: 
Dept. of Mech. Egr.          |  "It's not a hundred percent efficient,
Iowa State University        |   but nothing ever is."
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC East (and the Cowboys)
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:31:40 GMT
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath

richard@ods.com (Richard Thompson) writes:
>by the way, last weekend, the NFC East was 5-0, and I doubt
>that has happened very often over the last 22-23 years, either.

Well, according to the database on wuarchive.wustl.edu, it happened
twice in 1980-1991 (in addition to last week):

Last year, week 1:  Washington neats Detroit 45-0, Giants 16-14 over
the Niners, Dallas 26-14 at Cleveland, Eagles 20-3 at Green Bay and
Phoenix 24-14 at the Rams.

And in 1981, week 8: Washington beat N.E. 24-22, the Giants won at
Atlanta 27-24 in overtime, Dallas beat Miami 28-27, Philadephia beat
Tampa 20-10 and St. Louis beat Minnesota 30-17.

Keep circulating the tapes,

--Gidi		(go bills)
From: trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu(Barry Trottier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Stud (Stupid?) Play of the Day
Date: 16 Nov 1992 04:44:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: g310c8.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

I saw both the Oilers game and the Bronco's game, and I was wondering which QB  
you people in "net.land" think made the "Stud (Stupid?) play of the day."

In the Bronco's game, with the Bronco's up (somewhat) comfortably and doing  
well, Elway takes down the ball and runs.  He is nearing the 1st down marker  
and he won't make it if he slides, so he puts his head down and plows on for  
the first!  He was shaken up and taken out.  As it happened, Madox came in and  
blew it and the Bronco's ended the drive on a punt, so Elway risked his body  
for 0 points.

Moon on the other hand made a "nice" little play, and got taken out for 3-6  
weeks, but his play gave his team the win!

So, who made the "Stud (Stupid?) play of the day."?

Personally, I think Elway was the one, because he was showing that he didn't  
care whether the game was on the line or not, he just wanted that first, no  
matter what!  (Disregard the fact that I think of Elway as a demi-god :))

------------
Go Niners!
Go Elway!

Barry Trottier
e-mail:  trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Lions QB situation [question]
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:09:44 GMT

In article <ragraca.722007117@vela> ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes:

   john@porta.b24a.ingr.com (John Nolin) writes:

   >What happened to Peete on Sunday?  Was he hurt or did he just suck?

   He just sucked.  Lions' coach Wayne Fontes apparently thought that
   putting Erik Kramer in would possibly spark the team.  It didn't work.
   Kramer sucked too.

Kramer had over 300 yards passing and a fairly high completion rate.  He did
have two ints, but one td to go against that.  I'll wait until this weeks qb
ratings come out, but I'll bet he's pretty high there.

Rodney hasn't sucked at all, he's been pretty damn good.  Imagine what the
guy would do if he actually had the time to look to *two* receivers, or set
up before throwing.

Bill
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From: djryan@ri.cs.wm.edu (David J. Ryan)
Subject: Re: PT Willis to start for Bears
Organization: College of William & Mary, founded 1693
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:37:54 GMT


Of all the QBs to come out of FSU lately, PT showed the greatest
promise. Very accurate, not prone to mistakes. In fact, I was
hoping that my Lions would have picked him up in that draft and
finally dump Ware while the getting's good. But NOOOOOOOO! :-(

Dave. FSU '88
From: pdietz@cse.unl.edu (Phil Dietz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: BUBBY IS THE MAN!!
Date: 17 Nov 1992 01:04:28 GMT
Organization: NCEMRSoft
Distribution: world
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amr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ANTHONY MICHAEL RUTCH) writes:
>Welcome back, Bubby!!

Oh no...my nightmares will come back!

--
                                                              Phil Dietz
       I tend to fawble.                              pdietz@cse.unl.edu
                                                  University Of Nebraska
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Subject: Re: L.A. Raiders!!!!!!
From: rollins+@cs.cmu.edu (Gene Rollins)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:18:15 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


I agree with the comments about Al Davis.  He used to get the job done.
Lately he hasn't.  His halfback games are sickening.  Marcus Allen
should lead the league in yards from scrimmage.  He has drafted too many
pass-rushing defensive ends (yet let Scott Davis retire in his prime), and
not enough run stoppers like defensive tackles and middle linebackers. 

Where are the Raider fans?  Count the number of NFL hats in any city and you
will see that the Raider hats outpace all other hats put together by
a factor of 10.  Go to a Steeler game at Three Rivers and count the
number of Raider coats.  Raider merchandise has consistently outsold
all other teams for many years (the 49ers outsold them one year).

John Madden said that with the Raiders you either want to see them 
win or want to see them lose, but you want to see them. .....gene
From: 343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (William Grant)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Lion's Stats Week 11
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:23:19 GMT
Organization: Central Michigan University

Here's the Lion's stats for Week #11 vs. Pittburgh

Next Opponent:
In Cincinnati

Game Summery
                       Pittsburgh*       Detroit
Pts                     17                 14
Rushing                 30/152             23/90
Pass-Att                19/35              20/37
Pass-yds                164                286
Fum lost                2/1                5/4
Pos                     34:10              25:50

Passing:
Kramer 20/37/304 T II

Rushing:
Sanders  21/94
Kramer    2/-4

Receiving:
Moore    5/71
Perriman 5/89
Sanders  3/23
Green    6/115 T
McLemore 1/6

Kicking:
Hanson   2PAT

Sacks:
Spindler  2
Pritchett 1

Interceptions:
 1- Didn't watch the game,  sorry guys....

Injuries:
Michael Cofer reinjured his arch (?) and will miss the rest of the season


Game Summery:
  Pete's string ends at 9.  Kramer seems to be the new man,  however
it seems that the controversy is here,  as Fontes refused to disclose
the starter,  even from the team until Friday.  Don't be fooled by the
big stats,  it was snowing pretty bad in the first half,  and 73 yds
were on one lousy play that should have been stopped.  The lion's
gave this one away.  With their record,  they can't afford to
continue on this give-away take away pace.  Defense played more again!!

News Items:
  Barry has fumblitos,  Fontes is keeping secrets,  Cofer is out
for the season (big surprise),  turnovers are a problem,  the defense
still plays too much.....What does all this indicate.......

  You guessed it....Andre Ware.  Fontes doesn't want to use him until
their season is shot.  With an 8-8 record at best (assuming they win
from here out...) looks like that's about a given now!!  Ware should
be getting some PT,  maybe even agains Cinci next week.  Chris
Spielman says that it takes a year off his life every time they lose,
hope Chris has plans for an early retierment.......
From: v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: **** BILLS vs. MIAMI ****  FINAL SCORE  !!!
Keywords: not
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:59:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.Bxtztt.IBL
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hahahahah....gotcha.

	Anyway, as an active participant in THE BET II, I hope to be posting
tomorrow and subsequent weeks after.  HOWEVER (:  If I'm not able to -- which
is very likely seeing as how fired up the Miami crowd will be -- (hadda get the
obligatory anti-woof in there) I truly hope that the net doesn't get *too*
quiet without all us Bills fans here.

	BTW, congrats to all the underdogs that won Sunday -- I guess parity
will prevail after all, huh?  Here's to a great 2nd half o' the season!! 

			
			BRING ON THE DOLPHINS!

		IT'S TIME TO PARRRRTAY ON THEIR HEADS!!!

;8-}  (go bills!)

Jon

prediction:  we don't need no stinkin' prediction!