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From: babineau@bnr.ca (Michael Babineau)
Subject: Re: Q: What kind of clipless pedals and shoes to buy?
Reply-To: babineau@bmerh812.BNR.CA
Organization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:37:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.144307.12714@ee.rochester.edu>, davis@ee.rochester.edu (Al Davis) writes:
|> 
|> >Another bit o' info is that there was apparently a large percentage of
|> >incidents where the cleat would pull through the sole of the various
|> >brands of SPD compatible shoes.  This mostly would occur during crashes
|> >on MTBs where a rider would be moving in a direction which was not the
|> >normal "release" direction of the cleats.
|> 
|> They now use a metal plate to fix this.  It comes with the cleats.  The
|> originals had no metal plate.  I have not had a problem with either ripping
|> the cleat out of the shoe or undesired release.  I pull up hard sometimes
|> when climbing.  In contrast, I have pulled out of Looks in sprints and
|> climbing.

The new Shimano M-200 ATB shoes come with the plate already in the shoe.
You would literally have to rip the sole off before the cleat would come out.

I would personally rather have the cleat stay behind, than do irreparable
damage to my ankles. This is my main motivation for using the Multi-release
(whimp) cleats rather than the Single-Release cleat. 

I would find it a bit scary using the Single-Release cleat, 
knowing the only way to get out is by twisting your heels outward. 
Although I find this action seems to come naturally, under extreme
conditions its nice to know that you can get out in any direction should
you apply sufficient force. I speak from experience, having just recently
done a high-speed-over-the-handlebars-aerial-dismount with SPDs.

On a related note, there was a pretty good article in a recent (ie 3 or 
4 months ago) issue of Mountain Bike Action Magazine, called something
like "Everything you always wanted to know about SPD - Even what it stands
for". I also believe that there was also a related article on SPD compatible
shoes. 


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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Bike cops
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 16:28:16 GMT

jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jason T Milhoan) writes:
>In article <1992Aug22.120312.29982@cis.ohio-state.edu> akins@flamingo.cis.ohio-
>state.edu (gregory adkins) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug21.192310.18663@access.usask.ca> choy@skorpio.usask.ca writ
>es:
>>>Now that all these cities are getting bike cops, are they good at
>>>chasing bikers? Leave the motorbikes out.
>>They just started having 2 pigs on bikes at Ohio State.  They
>>were quoted in the student newspaper as saying [paraphrased]
>>    "We hope we never have to chase a bicycle"
>>The first time I saw these cops they were wearing standard
>>issue black slacks and leather work shoes.  Since then
>>they have been given non-biking shorts and tennis shoes.
>>But I doubt if they could give anybody that rides
>>more than 20 miles a week any serious competition.
>Hah!  I have seen them too.  One was a rather rotund male, and the other a
>female.  I remember laughing to myself as I jay walked in front of them.  Not
>laughing at them, but rather the type of people that were chosen.  The woman 
>might be a good rider, I dunno, but the man was way out of shape.  I'm no 
>Tomac, but I could be this dude if I was on foot.
>Now OSU has mounties too! :)
>JT
Yeah the University of Illinois has these guys too.  Most of them are overweight.  I did talk to one of them at the local bike shop.  He's a young guy compared
to most of them, a mountain biker.  he said he joined the University Hogs so
he can ride his mountain bike all day and get paid for it!  He also said all
they are allowed to do is ride around and around the quad so the Faculty and
staff can see them. The U of I is a big place.  The quad is not exactly an
important area safety wise.  I have absolutely no respect for the University
police anyway.  Most of couldn't hold a job as Mall security guards butthe
U of I will hire them!  They're generally a bunch of macho dumbshits.
-Terry
From: jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Descending hills
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:29:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes:

>I haven't broken 50 yet, but I'll keep trying :-).
>(Is there a faster-than-50 club in this group yet ? :-)

This sounds like a dangerous club to start. Going 50+mph is simply
a matter of riding the right road. I would consistantly go 50 (55max)
descending the east side of Lee Hill road in Boulder County. Then
I would go home and think about the effect of a front blow-out at
that speed and shudder. 

If you must break the speed barrier, do it on a road that is safe
for the speed and make sure your equipment is in top condition.
And we don't want to start reading about more dental work such as Ilana
endured after hitting a pot hole!

Jim Moore
From: claborne@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Chris Claborne)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Vetta 200 Wireless Computer
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:12:45 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego

In <1684113F5D.TBARNETT@lexmark.com> TBARNETT@lexmark.com (Tyler Barnett) writes:

>I have found a Vetta 200 wireless computer reasonable, and am wondering
>how well they work.  I'd like to mount the computer on the tip end of
>my aero bars, like my Vetta C10 is.  Will the transmitter on the front
>wheel send to the computer ok like this?  Does rain affect communications?
>Does this computer interfere with the heart-rate monitors, like the Polar
>units?  Any positive/negative experiences with this unit?  Thanks, tyler
>N4TY@lexmark.com

I can't speak for the Vetta but a friend of mine has a Caneye wireless and
when he gos by anything emitting strong radio radiation the readout is 
completely inaccurate (going 90mph up hill would be nice though).  After
listening to his experiences, I would stick to some kind of hard-wired
pickup device.

OK... You can start the flames -:)


    2
== C  ==
chris.claborne@sandiegoca.ncr.com                    CI$: 76340.2422
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: Trispokes
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:22:48 GMT

I think that Jobst is playing the part of an overly sqare, sqare-head.
I think that they day will come when trispokes are common place in a
lot of areas.  Quite a few wheel chairs use them because they are cheaper
to mfg!  There are no spokes to break, true or rust so its all benefit,
benefit, benefit.
  From a cycling point of view:
    - the rims will wear out (not really a problem in non-costal areas)
    - no truing, more aero, and they look great
What I can't figure out is why the tri-spokes are so expensive because they
seem to have been made by injection molding.  Unless they are run off in 
very small lots they should be pretty cheap.
  - Eric
//  "Until this year ('92) the team resisted the specially contoured Hyperglide
//   cogs .... According to mechanic Neil Lacy, this was due to added noise
//   when pedaling. However, the cogs have been modified to correct this."
//     Motorola team - well they are only 3 years behind the times now
From: bwong@beach.csulb.edu (Bradley Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: (Exercise) Bike Seats: Problems
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:58:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cal State Long Beach


[This seemed the most appropriate group to post...]

Anyway, I have a computerized DP Tach 3 exercise bike. I originally
purchased it over the Life Cycle because of cost (~$900 vs ~$1500)
and the computer interface.

I like the bike alot except for one MAJOR problem -- the seat is
horrible. After about 15 minutes my scrotum falls asleep (which
is uncomfortable to say the least) and keeps me from doing any
meaningful sessions.

I have tried using the "Gel" seat cushions w/o any advantage. The
engineering problem is that the DP housing for the seat is
SQUARE tubing -- so even if I could find a "normal" replacement
seat it wouldn't fit (not to mention that other "square" tubed
bikes don't have the same sized tubing...).

SO, the question:
----------------

  Does anybody know of a source of aftermarket seats for DP bikes
     (or exersize bikes in general)?
  Does anybody have any suggestions. 
  Welding (on a normal tube) is 
     one option, I guess, but that assumes I could find a competent place 
     to do the work and the parts to make the mods.

Thanks,
From: self@pasteur.ics.uci.edu (John Self)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: using presta tubes with a Schraeder wheel
Summary: how can I do this
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:22:23 GMT
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS


I'd like to use Presta valve tubes in wheels drilled for Schraeder
valve tubes.  This would let me use my floor pump (a Zefal DoubleShot)
without changing around the chuck every time.  I'm sure I've seen this
discussed in r.b previously, but I can't remember what the consensus
was.  Should I put a washer over the valve stem inside the wheel?
Should I use the valve nut in this case?
--

					Thanks,
						John Self
						self@ics.uci.edu
From: dchoi@physics.Berkeley.EDU (David Choi)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Pulley upgrade opinions wanted
Date: 15 Aug 1992 06:06:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

	If you want to improve your power transfer efficiency try cleaning your
drive-train and replacing or lubing your chain (which ever needs to be done).
If it's been a long time since you've done this you will notice an incredible
difference.  
	I recently replaced my chain and cleaned the entire drivetrain about a 
month or so ago and was amazed by the ease in pedalling.  Of course, this was
probably the extreme case since it was the first (I know, shame-shame) I 
cleaned the drive-train and replaced the chain.


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rpimente@es.com (Richard Pimentel)
Subject: Clipless pedals wanted
Keywords: pedals
Reply-To: rpimente@es.com (Richard Pimentel)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 17:46:08 GMT


I am looking for a used pair of clipless pedals to buy. I prefer Look or
Time pedals or compatibles such as the Shimano Ultegra's (sp?) or Dura Ace.
Please contact me via email at:

	rpimente@dsd.es.com

Thanks in advance.

Richard Pimentel
From: bm@ (Bill Michel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Bicycle Federation needs library advice
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:11:12 GMT
Reply-To: bm@ (Bill Michel)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bike2work

Hi folks, I'm posting this for the Bike Fed. Please
respond to Bill Wilkinson directly.

Bill (Michel)

---------------

20 August 92

We could use some help.  Over years, the BFA has accumulated 
several thousand books, reports, maps, videos, recordings, 
periodicals, and articles related to bicycling and walking.  These 
are scattered throughout our office here in DC.  We have no overall 
system of organization for all of these materials.  I want to 
change this.

Specifically, I want to organize a LIBRARY.

I envision a system where we would compile a dBase-format record 
for each holding.  We would likely have at least four series:

          o  Books, reports, and articles
          o  Periodicals
          o  Maps
          o  Videos and recordings

Each item in each series would be assigned an "acquisition number" 
and the items would be shelved in the order of this number.  Items 
could be located through the database in a wide variety of searches 
and located in the library by acquisition number.

Well, that's my idea.  I may be setting back library science a 
couple of hundred years so I thought I'd check around for other 
ideas, suggestions. . . and help!  Specifically, I would like to 
have someone who knows something about this kind of thing provide 
me with the outline of the record structure (i.e., fields) that we 
should use for these kinds of documents.  One of the obvious needs 
is for a procedure for establishing a "set" of KEYWORDS to use to 
qualify the subject matter.

I expect that this would not be a big deal for someone familiar 
with library science.  Got any ideas?

Thanks,   Bill Wilkinson,  Bicycle Federation of America 
          (202) 332-6986  [bfa@igc.org]

--
Bill Michel			
bm@eng.sun.com		These views are my own, not Sun's.
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: follow up on Specialzied Allez Epic and RB-1 bikes...
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:47:39 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

As a data point: After my crash I rode my touring bike since it had
a more upright and easier riding position. I found that with the
light 27 x 1 1/8" Continental Grand Prix's on my Campi wheels I
could more or less still stay with the pack.

I broke a spoke in the wheels so changed back to the original
touring wheels (1 1/4") and I couldn't even keep the last guy in
sight. This despite the fact that I could feel no difference at
all.

So, whether or not you can feel a difference between 18 mm and
28 mm tires it is there.

I am a believer in using the smallest tire you can while at
the same time the biggest tire you _must_ use. For me, at
about 195 lb.s this is a 23 with pressure at 130 psi. And 
this is just marginal. A 25 mm would probably be better but
23's are more common and easier to get.
From: ra_novy@DAL.MOBIL.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Maximum heart rate (was Re: Heart Rate Survey: Results)
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:12:16 GMT

Morris Bernstein (morris@samson.bnr.ca) writes:

>Just out of curiosity, how do people measure their maximum heart rate.
>Do they go over it and drop dead from heart attacks?

What I call my maximum rate is the highest I have measured when I work as hard
as possible for as long as possible, which leads to exhaustion.  A hill or a
stiff headwind supplies the necessary resistance.  Your mind must supply the
encouragement to keep you going.

I think that max rate is one of the standard tests done at sports clinics.  I
haven't visited one, yet.

>I'm particularly curious about this because I recently had my VO2 max
>calculated based on 85% of my max heart rate, where max heart rate is
>220 - (my age).  This worked out to about 162.  I didn't believe the
>results, so I went and sustaind a heart rate of over 180.  What does
>this tell me?

That the 220-Age formula is only a rough guideline.  There's a great deal of
variation among people.

Bob Novy
ra_novy@dal.mobil.com
Dallas, TX

Vote for Sex & Gore in '92!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kpalm@athena.qualcomm.com (Kent Palm)
Subject: Re: Heart Rate Survey: Results
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:35:34 GMT

ra_novy@dal.mobil.com writes:

>34     29     181   (29!  After sleep, or suspended animation?)

Whoops.  I just realized it should have been 39 - not 29.  Sorry about
that.
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Gan Insurance to pick up Sponsorhip of Team Z
Date: 12 Aug 1992 20:19:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver

A French Insurance company, Gan, will take over sponsorship
of Team Z.  Gan was a major sponsor of professional cycling
in the 1970's.

More details as they become available,

Bruce
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: polly@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Polly Siegel)
Subject: Re: Shift levers
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:05:32 GMT

In article <-+8mfvk.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>In article <5754@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> jk@cs.man.ac.uk (John Kewley) writes:
>>Has anyone done a comparison of the various shift lever systems recently?
>[... stuff about STI deleted ...]
>
>The barcons are really touring bike stuff. OK but still in the wrong
>spot for real racing. Like downtube shifters you can grow to 
>like them.
>

Many racers also use barcons.  A nice setup is to use a barcon for the rear
derailleur and a normal downtube shifter for the front.  The barcons are easy
to shift while sprinting and in the drops.  This is an especially nice setup
for racing criteriums.  You also have the advantage over
STI that you can switch out of indexed mode which is nice if you get a wheel
change with an incompatible wheel.  The barcons are also lighter and a lot
cheaper. (Even so, I think I still like my STI better ;-)

- polly
--------
Polly Siegel
Stanford University
(polly@grover.stanford.edu)
From: pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Stop My Spokes:TrashBar Wheel Editorial
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:45:44 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Having bought NASHBAR UC13 wheels, I am in a continue battle
with keeping them properly trued and tensioned. The main problem
seems to be that the spoke nipples keep spinning loose when I ride
over the potholes and failing infrastructure of our fine nation.
I tried to put nail polish over the nipple/spoke intersection, but it didn't
hold. Can I or should I use something like locktite to hold the
%$#@! things in place? Pardon my language, but I am just trying to emphazize
my disgruntlement at Nashbar and getting what I paid for.

Thanks,
Todd S.
pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: was Specialzied Allez Epic  now - Skinny Tires vs 
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:12:28 GMT

Why use "fat" 28c tires on a "racing bike".
Well.  Some of us weight more than 120lb and get snake bite flats often enough
to consider a slightly bigger tire than 20c.  Generally a 25c or 28c has a lot
more rubber and lasts long as well as being more immune to cut flats.  So
even my 120lb friends ride them most of the time.  Speaking of Jay Senior
(he just won the Canadian Nationals in the Junior Catagory) he always rides
28c tires and it take a pretty good race to get him into his 18c ones.  He is
not an advocate for "feeling" a differenence between these two tires.
  But generally its flats and tire life.  I am only 150 lb and found that I
did get ocassional flats with a 20c in the rear so now I use a 23 but I still
ride with a 19 or 20c on the front.  Also some people like a softer ride and
you can run a 28c at 80 psi while a 20c should be run at about 120c to prevent
snake bite flats.  If you like to tour on a road bike (maxi or credit card
touring) then you will only be able to go about 3,000 km on a 20c tire while
a 28c may get you twice as far.  The weight difference is not noticable.
  - Eric
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rpetty@mu.enet.dec.com (Rich Petty)
Subject: Re: Descending hills
Reply-To: rpetty@mu.enet.dec.com (Rich Petty)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:35:59 GMT

In article <86075@netnews.upenn.edu>, slawe@pobox.upenn.edu (Lauren T.
Slawe) writes:
|>
|>Well, yesterday I noticed that they were repaving the LOOONNNGG hill
|>coming into work.  I've always been tempted to try some speed, but
|>the horrible potholes and bumps kept me at a agonizingly slow speed. 
|>|>Gleaning what I can from the hints being posted under "Descending
|>hills,"
|>it looks like I'm going to have some fun tomorrow morning!

-Laureen

Be aware that new asphalt has alot of petroleum products that "float" to
the surface
right after its been laid down, making it VERY slick. I'd suggest that
you wait for a 
rain storm or two before you go super-sonic. I've got some nasty scars
to prove
this theory.

-Rich (Do it in the dirt) Petty
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tcashin@zeus.ladc.bull.com ()
Subject: Re: L.A. Olympic velodrome
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:41:45 GMT
Reply-To: Tim_Cashin@l66a.ladc.bull.com
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc. Los Angeles Development Center

In article <1992Aug18.173230.4392@nas.nasa.gov>,
tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner) writes:
|>In article <19579@fritz.filenet.com>, markt@felix.filenet.com (Mark
Thomas) writes:
|>|> I have talked to some people that used to race there and they say that the
|>|> track is closed now and it looks like there will be no money to open
|>|> it up. It seems that the state budget has a major affect. :{
|>|> 
|>|> mark-justspin-thomas
|>|> 
|>|> 
|>Is this really true??  This is the Dominquez Hills velodrome??
|>They had some really great track programs.  It's really a nice
|>velodrome.
|>
|>Leigh Ann
|>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
|>Leigh Ann Tanner                        Parallel Systems Support
|>NASA Ames Research Center M/S 258-6     Moffett Field, CA  94035-1000
|>tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov              (415) 604-4306
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No! It is *not* true! I was there last night for a weekly racing class
and they 
are definitely staying open. Adult and youth racing programs are continuing
and USCF racing begins again after Labor Day.
  
There was recently a change in management; the old director is out, a new
one is in. And in the transition, incorrect information made it into the rumor
mill and Velo News.
  
For those in the L.A. area, this is a great program for everyone whether you
race or not. The class is cheap ($55 a month, bicycles provided), very good
instruction, a world class facility, and a lot of nice people. They teach safe
riding, bike handling techniques,  and racing skills. And all of it will
help to
make you a better rider, not matter what kind of riding you like to do.
  
E-mail if you would like more information.
From: ddozier@daled.net.com (Dale Dozier)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Crank Lenght Question
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:06:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies



   How long should your cranks be? My inseam is 30' and I ride
back and forth to work(16miles oneway)  and do a couple of biathlons 
a year. I have 170mm cranks on my road bike and usually pedal at 
100-105ppm.  My MTB has 175mm and they don't seem too long but my 
cadence is lower I'm sure. I have heard that longer cranks are better 
for TT's (basically the type of riding I do), is this true? Could
I decrease my TT times with say 172.5mm or 175mm cranks on my
road bike pedalling at a lower ppm, say 95-100? Any help would be
appreciated as I am about to upgrade my component group.

Thanks
-Dale