HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: The NCAA Applies its Double Standard Again
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:35:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.152444.29165@ods.com> scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)  
writes:
> Now, what I found interesting was the PAC-10 commission's reccomendation
> that Hobert's loan not cause any forfeitures, because something like that
> should have no bearing on "on-field performances".  We are talking about
> a questionable $50,000 deal here.  Several (not all) of A&M's 20 or so 
> violations were along the lines of "recruits were given caps on official 
> visits", "recruit was given a ride to the airport by an assistant coach", 
> etc.  These violations were certainly allowed to have an effect on
> "on-field" performances.

My opinion of the Tulsa thing is that the NCAA sucks, but they are
quite consistent on the crackdown of so-called recruiting "violations."

Recruiting violations do have bearing on on-field performance, because
if a team does favors to a recruit, he may choose to attend that school
over another, and, thus, play there, not at the other school.

It's really hard to say what the deal is with this loan transaction,
but the fact remains that the guy wasn't an assistant coach or 
university employee.

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Newsgroups: osu.sports,rec.sport.football.college
From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz)
Subject: Re: Big Ten Review (11-21-92)
Keywords: Big Ten
Organization: SigSauer Fan Club 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:45:24 GMT

In article <By6q1y.Mw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>A good day for the homestanders, a bad day for the pickers...
>Betz		0-1
                  ^ 
yowza!  don't we get 1/2 credit for a tie??? 

>Results of November 21 (End of Regular Season)
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

hard to believe another big-10 race is wrapped up already.  my
heartiest thanks to randy for another fine season of big-10 (p)reviews.
r.s.f.c. is a better place due to such quality!

randy: thanks for not posting our prediction records (or was that
forthcoming???).  i'm sure most of us would rather not know how
we did...(grin)... 

drew
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From: UCPL085@UNLVM.UNL.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: SQUEAL for me CU.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 09:48:18 CST
Organization: University of Nebraska
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlvm.unl.edu

 
Nebraska getting beat wasn't a total surprise to most NU fans,, just another
season where the Huskers shoots them selfs in the foot..
But if anything good comes out of this,, it has to be CU fans getting excited
about a possible Orange Bowl berth..  Make sure you are in front of the tube on
 the 27th... Squeal for me Colorado,, Squeal for me......
 
  REM
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: AGGIES SUCK!!!
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:26:37 GMT

In article <1eefvvINN37a@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com> sbscafg@sdd.hp.com sbscafg  
writes:
> In article <1992Nov17.234048.21903@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>,  
kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
> |> I recently found this definition of the word Aggie in Webster's  
dictionary:
> |> 
> |> Aggie -  INSERT HERE SOME OFFENSIVE DEFINITION
> |>        usage: Your PART OF THE MALE ANANTOMY is Aggie.
> |> 
> |> Kevin
> |> 
> 
> real classy, kevin.

At least you didn't ask him if his Seminole was Aggie!!!

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From: stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen)
Subject: Re: Iowa-Minesota score, anyone?
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:27:14 GMT

Dave Bakken writes:
> Us Pac10 bigots (esp. from mid-level Pac10 teams) are hoping that Iowa
> (now 5-6) does not win and become eligible for the Copper Bowl, so 8-3
> WSU or some 7-4 Pac10 team isn't passed up for them....

There aren't (and won't be) any 7-4 Pac-10 teams.  After Washington
(9-2), Stanford (9-3), and Washington State (8-3), the best records
are Arizona (6-4-1) and Southern Cal (6-3-1 with Notre Dame remaining).
Three other teams (Arizona State, Oregon, and UCLA) finished the season
6-5.

Of course, I expect all you "Pac10 bigots" to make postings complaining
that a 6-4-1 (or worse!) Pac-10 team should do the honorable thing and
decline their bid to make room for an obviously more worthy 8-3 Toledo
(the MAC runner-up).

Now, I've been saying all along that a team's record isn't the most
important thing in the world (as long as they get the six I-A wins and
have a decent schedule) -- which means I've been arguing for bowl
consideration for teams like ASU and UCLA.  But all of those who whined
about Iowa in the past (and/or are whining about Illinois -- who is also
6-4-1 now) ought to at least be consistent.
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From: jcho@nmsu.EDU (CHO)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: FSU should remain #4.
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:08:25 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM


I love the 'Noles....they are my favorite (in case many of you didn't
know that from my previous posts).  As much as I would love them to
be up at #3 (which they are in the AP Poll), I think TAMU was wronged...
just as I felt Miami was wronged after they beat to Arizona... I agree
that TAMU didn't play like all the hype made them out to be....but to
be frank, Houston hasn't been terrible...and has shown some semblance of
brilliance here and there (yes and has gotten massacred by Mich).  The
point I am making is that I believe FSU should not be polled higher than
TAMU on account of one game... The Aggies held their ground and they 
deserve to keep their status...as by now I think all undefeated teams
have the right to be over teams with one loss... It will become clear
in the bowls when the teams are put to the mettle... Right now the Noles
have been steamrolling over some teams...but then alot of teams have been
running over the last two teams FSU beat.  I personally hope the Gators
chomp on Bama and get trashed by the Noles... As for TAMU...well, I hope
they lose to Texas...(though really don't seee how)  A rematch with Miami
would be most awesome...but I'll probably get an ulcer just from the tension
of knowing FSU's choking ability.... :)

							JCHO@nmsu.edu

ps How about those NMSU aggies... (5-5) :)
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Excessive Celebration Penalty
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:38:43 GMT

In article <gf1Q5tO00iV384SUkn@andrew.cmu.edu> wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu (William  
Karamo Motley) writes:

> Who saw that Notre Dame game today?  I think that the NCAA should either
> be much, much more lenient when they call that excessive celebration
> penalty, or get rid of that call completely.  When you win in the type
> of manner Notre Dame did today, you have every right to go beserk and
> act bananas.

Remeber the Cal-Stanford game from 1990?  Excessive celebration 
BEFORE THE GAME WAS OVER cost them the game.  A missed two-point
conversion, celebration by Cal, onside kick from the 50 with about
20 secs left, great field position, and a roughing the passer call
put the tree in range.

Celebration is fine, but keep things off the field until it's over.
Especially the fans.

> Even pros celebrate.  Remember when the Colts beat the Dolphins this year?  

And on the subject of the NFL, who kept Woods from dancing after scores?

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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Re: PAC-10 vs. Big-10 (was Re: Mediocracy vs Money)
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:02:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.141546.18334@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:

>WSU lost to Stanford, at Stanford, and Oregon at home.  The only ranked teams
>they have beaten are Arizona, USC, and now Washington.  They have only 
>played 4 top 25 teams (UW, USC, Arizona, and Stanford).  Their out
>of conference schedule...well... stunk.. They played Montana, Fresno State,
>and Temple.  In conference they managed to avoid UCLA and California.
>
>In comparison, Iowa has lost to NCState, Miami, Colorado, Michigan, 
>Purdue, and Ohio State, all but one of them is ranked in the top 15!!!
>There schedule has been VERY tough, and before this weekend (with WSU 
>beating UW and Iowa losing) I would have given them the edge as well.

Mr. Meeks, please, if you're going to correct someone else, get your facts
straight.  We did not beat USC; we lost to them in LA, in a very good, close
game.  As for our out-of-conference games, Montana and Temple do indeed stink,
but our win over Fresno St. is far more impressive than most people think.
It was at Bulldog Stadium, where FSU had some incredible win streak (28, I
think, including 5 in a row over PAC-10 teams I think) until we beat them.
And, if I'm not mistaken, FSU is 7-4 and going to the Freedom Bowl.  Also, 
we did not manage to "avoid UCLA" (who would want to avoid UCLA and Cal this
year anyway)... we destroyed UCLA in Pullman.

As for your Iowa schedule summary, you rattle off several ranked teams that
they managed to lose to... great!  Who cares?  If losing to ranked teams
should get you a bowl bid, I think Temple should be right in the running.
Mr. Meeks, who did Iowa beat?  That's right, one team with a winning record:
Illinois <chuckle>.  Of the four ranked team we played, we *beat* two... UW
and UA... two *very* good teams.  It's ridiculous that you are still even
comparing Iowa to WSU.  They're not even in the same class.


Jim
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From: jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (William P. Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Excessive Celebration Penalty
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:27:11 GMT
Reply-To: jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Organization: NASA-Ames Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

In article <92322.155018MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu>, MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu (Spiro the Spiny Goldfish) writes...
>In article <1992Nov17.125540.2294@lgc.com>, mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
>says:
>>
>>Do you really think the refs would have made the same call in Saturday's
>>game if the roles were reversed, and the game were at Penn State?  I wonder.
> 
>Yes. The refs have penalized other (non-Godly) teams in the past for the
>same problem. How would YOU have cleared the field? Asked nicely?
>----
>Mike Dahmus       MXD118@PSUVM  or  dahmus@cs.psu.edu
>TEAM OS/2
I was at the game rooting for ND and the penalty after the conversion was 
completely proper. It was after the conversion that the celebration really took 
place with players and fans (and coaches) coming onto the field. From my seat 
at the wrong goal line, the first indication I had that the conversion was good 
was the surge of fans into the south endzone. There were no grounds for a 
penalty after the touchdown.
From: chrisp@porsche.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Chris Puscasiu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Go BEARS!! (hoops :)
Date: 22 Nov 1992 04:00:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: porsche.cs.berkeley.edu

I just got back form the Big Game and it just reminded everyone what a 
s****y season thsi has been.  Congrats to stnfud who a played well.  I
must say that Walsh is a gentleman for putting in 3rd string so that we
were able to score a few points, while s didn't run up the score. 

It was kind of weird to see Russel White leaving by himself at the end
of the game, bowing to the crowd one last time and then leaving through
the North tunnel kind of quitely, while the rest of the team was brawling
with the s. players.  I rember 3 yeras ago on my very first college fb game
and White's first start for Cal he ran back a kick-off against Miami on
the first play of the game.  I wish him good luck in the NFL.

I probably also saw Sean Dawkins for the last tim in Memorial and I am 
sure with a little better qb he'll break a bunch of records in the NFL.
Watch out Rice :) :)

Thinking of next year is scary considering that we'll be without Russel
and Dawkins but still with teh ever so imaginative Gilbertson.

So much for fb this season.  I'll switch to rec.sport.basketball.college
and hope that the Bears and Jason Kidd will do things better than the 
football team.

Go BEARS!!
Cp

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From: dostalik@utdallas.edu (Bill Dostalik)
Subject: Re: Oklahoma and Steve Collins
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:12:32 GMT

In article <BxyK72.IA5@news.iastate.edu> ongh@iastate.edu (Undertaker...) writes:
>News from Norman has it that the players had a conference with the coaches
>and Gary Gibbs regarding QB Steve Collins. Apparently, some of the players
>were dissatisfied over last Saturday's 15-15 tie with OSU.
>
>Here's my opinion:
>I think OU should go back to their option offense. In the game against 
>Missouri, they racked up 500+ yards when Gundy was out of action. Steve Collins
>had a marvelous game that day. I think the score was also pretty awesome.....
>can't remember though. I don't know what Gibbs is up to, I thot he should have
>let Collins start against OSU since the option worked so well......

They should have at least let him get in a series or two, say to start the
2nd half, IMO.  Or started Collins, and bring out Gundy for the 2nd half.
But that was Gibbs' call.  At least you can't accuse him of
waivering on his committment to the passing game.  With that in mind, he 
may have made the decision with recruiting in mind, also.  If he is going
to recruit players for the passing game, he can point to this season and
say we *are* committed to passing.  A little reminiscent of the situation
when Fairbanks installed the wishbone a couple of decades ago.  It wasn't
instantly successful, by any stretch.

>anyway, they have the week off i think, so the situation may not be as bad as
>it seem.

It may have been productive to clear the air.  We'll see.  
Bring on the Huskers!

>hank

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From: mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Va Tech and UVa predictions
Date: 20 Nov 1992 14:04:11 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunkj.larc.nasa.gov
Keywords: the big one...


Last Week:

predicted: Va Tech 20 Southern Miss 15
actual: Va Tech 12 Southern Miss 13
        (*another* 4th quarter choke (tm))
UVa was idle

total: 11-6-1


Virginia @ Virginia Tech

I've speculated enough over UVa's emotional state.  Nothing short
of divine intervention will get them into a bowl.  They have lost
their last 4 games against IA teams.  Va Tech has lost plenty of
games, most of them in the 4 quarter.

I read in today's local paper about how the hokie seniors were 
saying that this Saturday's game is the only way to salvage the
season.  Va Tech wants this game bad.  I have seen little emotion
from UVa reports in the paper, unlike last year.

UVa probably has a better team on paper, but I think emotion
will rule the day.  Beamer has got to know that he has to improve
upon his 1-4 record against UVa if he wants to keep his job.

Welsh is supposed to name UVa's starting QB today:  it is between
the faltering Bobby Goodman and the #3 backup Mike Groh (sp?).

Va Tech 17 UVa 15 (last second FG blocked!)

Michael Nelson

Go Hokies!  
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From: art@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Arthur Miller)
Subject: Re: HAWKEYE BOWL CHANCES 
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:39:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.053010.8654@ccad.uiowa.edu> tshannon@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy J Shannon) writes:
>From article <1992Nov16.225832.8543@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, by oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day):
>> 
>> No 6-6 team deserves a bowl bid.  I wouldn't be
>> suprised if Iowa would decline if possible.
>> 
>	Iowa will accept any bowl bid it gets, inthe words of
>Hayden Fry, "I'd accept a bid to the toilet bowl"

And well they should.  A bowl bid is an honor, and anyone who feels that
Iowa should self-righteously refuse a bid to a lesser bowl probably has
ulterior motives (i.e. "My team is better than Iowa!")

Of course the bowl system is about money, folks!  No one ever claimed that
it was supposed to be the official NCAA post-season tournament.  And as
long as the bowls are governed and sponsored by capitalist entities, teams
like Iowa (large state schools w/ winning traditions and lots of zealous
alumni) will be able to go 6-5 and get bowl bids.

Personally, I like the current bowl system.  I just wish that people would
recognize it for what it is...



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From: ellingrw@infonode.ingr.com (Bob Ellington)
Subject: Re: SEC What if?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:07:51 GMT

In article <17NOV199215571104@utkvx2.utk.edu> rhett@utkvx2.utk.edu (Fitzsimmons, Marc) writes:
>If Florida had lost Saturday to South carolina, Tennessee and Florida would be
>tied for second place. So Ut gets the bid from the head to head win. But could
>they refuse the offered bowl for the Hall of Fame in Tampa? or would they have
>to goto the contracted conference bowl?
>

Excuse me Marc, but what "bid" are you talking about?  Being tied for
second (are being second alone) in the SEC East doesn't give an
automatic bid to any bowl.  Beyond that, Tennessee can accept or decline
any "at large" bid that is offered to them.  

Now, "IF" Florida had lost and Georgia had lost, Tennesse would then
get a rematch with Alabama in the SEC Championship game.  But alas, it
was not meant to be.  Florida could still lose to Vandy this week and
put Georgia in the "Game".  

Bob E.
From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Michigan, ND, Miami etc ...
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:38:59 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <Bxx2Er.Gn0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson) writes:

| 
| >Can you give me any justification why the header has :
| >     Michigan, ND, Miami etc .. 
| 
| >jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
| >Oh about the other question, rob - maybe it's because ND has a loss !!!
| 
In amu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson) writes:
| Buzz, wrong, try again.
| 
| This doesn't wash.  fsu has a loss, but their ahead of A&M.


As the Churchlady's would say,   Could it be Satan?


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From: shyam@netcom.com (Shyam K. Subramanyan)
Subject: Bias in CNN Coaches poll?
Keywords: Poll, CNN, Coaches
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:31:26 GMT

Can someone explain why the CNN poll has put Georgia ahead of
Florida even after Florida beat Georgia some time ago? The game
was not close as the 26-24 (approx) score suggested. Georgia scored
the last but never got the ball back.

I have a theory about this.  Are the SEC coaches (maybe ACC too)
biased against Florida because Steve Spurrier won the coach
of the year poll the last four years (2 SEC and 2 ACC while @
Duke). 

Any explanations/comments welcome. Even from the Dawg fans. 


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From: salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Pac10 game of the week
Date: 20 Nov 92 23:01:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

Hello all,

	I was wondering if anyone out there knows what the Pac10 game of the
week is.  NO NOT the ABC, Washington @ Washington State game.  Instead the
Pac10 game of the week televised by the Sports Channel (here in the San
Francisco bay area).

	The TV guide I have states that there will be a Pac10 game on the
Sports Channel at 3:30pm PST on Saturday.  But neither the TV guide I have or
the USA Today has any mention of an additional Pac10 game on TV.

	Could anyone shed some light on this subject please...


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From: ellis@dinghy.cis.ohio-state.edu (steven lawrence ellis)
Subject: Michigan/OSU tickets for sale!
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: cmh
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:59:28 GMT

Just what the title says.  I have 2 tickets in 25A 1/2 way up.  Will go to the
best offer!  You can't miss this game that will show who is the best team in 
the Big 10!  Reply via email or call 421-1533.

S. Ellis

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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: How Colorado could still win the Big ....ya ya ya
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:56:26 GMT

In article <168A18849.UCPL081@UNLVM.UNL.EDU> UCPL081@UNLVM.UNL.EDU writes:
>
>No dah!  OU is our rival.  This game is always a hard hitting one every year.
>Were have you been the last the several decades?

But then they were playing flag football... at least when compared to today's
football...

>don't think it would have mattered last Saturday afternoon anyway.   Though
>unlike CU fans like you, we aren't complaining about our QB's performance and
>saying that only *if* so and so would have started, ya, then we wouldn't have

I remember some NU fans complaining about Mike Grant (?) starting instead of
Tommy Frazier against UW and how that might have changed the outcome...

>and believe in your team.  On those days, nobody can beat you.  ISU played a
>great football game, they deserved that win.  Enough said....on to Norman!
>
>Conrad Castaneda
>U of Nebraska-Lincoln

Njan
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