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From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: Re: Which Rear-projection TV to buy?
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:49:05 GMT

In article <MJKOBB.92Oct12220706@media-lab.media.mit.edu> mjkobb@media.mit.edu (Michael J Kobb) writes:
>
>  After receiving input from folks here, and doing a bit of looking
>around on my own, I'm reconsidering my plans to purchase an LCD
>projector.  I'm now considering going with a good-quality
>rear-projector.

If you are interested in spending the bucks required, it would be
worth your while to (a) buy or rent a copy of the Reference Recordings
laserdisc LD-101 "A Video Standard" -even if you don't have a LD
player, read the accompanying booklet- and (b) read Joe Kane's articles
on monitor theory and setup in the last several issues of The Perfect
Vision. Thus forearmed you may decide that "resolution" is a meaningless
measure for any modern monitor.  A good linear gray scale is most
important.  Lack of automatic "flesh-tinting" color circuits or the
ability to override them is a must.  Good vertical and horizontal linearity
when the set is adjusted for minimum overscan is highly to be coveted.
The ability to hold a good solid black in one part of the screen with
varying levels of brightness in another is much to be wished.

Pioneer rear projectors, especially the Elite line, have a reputation
for being able to approach many of the above mentioned qualities to
at least a satisfactory minimum.  I have not seen anything that would
cause me to disagree with that reputation.  I have not personally
made careful tests (which I would do if I were to purchase a rear
projector today).  I own and am reasonably happy with a 3 year old
Pioneer 45" rear projector (not Elite).
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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: gihan@bmers286.BNR.CA (Gihan Karunaratne)
Subject: Re: A          L           I            E            N          .
Keywords: FOX, Hey You Guys!, Are They Reading This?
Reply-To: gihan@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 17:50:28 GMT

In article <56457@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, davepat@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Dave Patterson) writes:
|> If anyone from 20th Century FOX is reading this group:
|> 
|> Hey, now that ALIEN has come out with all this neat stuff on it, how
|> about doing the same thing for the Star Wars movies, huh?
|> 
|> :)
|> 
|> Dave Patterson
|> 

With perhaps an "unrealistic" price tag!!

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Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1Y 4H7 
e-mail: gihan@BNR.CA (INTERNET)

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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Subject: CLD-D701 laserdisc player
Organization: Columbia U., New York City
Reply-To: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:46:10 GMT
X-Posted-From: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
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	I've been having a small problem when playing some CDs on
the D701 (which I don't have when played through the same stereo
system via a sony discman): at some points the sound will turn to
scratchy noise for a split second.

	Is this a bug in the player? A specific example is when
the beast (from Beauty and the Beast) sings in "Something There".
It is where he goes "She didn't shudder at my paw".

	Any ideas? Thanks,
	-- Ethan


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From: copold@panam.edu (Steve Copold)
Newsgroups: rec.video,rec.video.releases
Subject: Columbia House Changes the Rules
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:24:43 GMT
Followup-To: rec.video
Organization: University of Texas - Pan American
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X-XXDate: Wed, 14 Oct 92 09:24:06 GMT

I recently posted a message relating my experiences with the Columbia
House Laserdisc Club. They were, at that time and continue to be, all
very agreeable. However, I've just received the November 1992 issue of
Video magazine and they've changed the rules. Their ad appears to still
offer 3 selections for a dollar each and an obligation to buy two more at
full price. The difference is that when I joined, I was allowed to select
any three titles from their full catalog except for sets and special
editions. Now they are excluding specific titles. These exclusions
include the lbx'd Star Wars trilogy, Dances With Wolves, Cleopatra (which
I believe has always been excluded), The Deer Hunter, Ben-Hur, Doctor
Zhivago, It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World, Fiddler on the Roof, Total
Recall, The Doors, The Terminator (lbx not the P&S), JFK, The Right
Stuff, The Godfather: Part II, How The West Was Won, Patton, and Cape
Fear. You can still select these discs, but they will count as TWO
selections.

The list makes absolutely no sense to me. Patton, the Star Wars films,
and a couple of the others are expensive two-disc films, but Total Recall
is a 39.95 P&S single disc that's widely available everywhere. The Right
Stuff is a 2-disc set, but it's the P&S version and a lbx'd set is due
out on December 31st. The Terminator is lbx'd, but it too is a 39.95
single disc film and is in stock in every Mall store I've visited. 

I don't have a clue as to why they've picked these particular films, but
I'd certainly like to know if anyone else does. I've been strongly urging
others to join to take advantage of the intial offer. As time passes, and
more discs are ordered, the overall percentage of the discount is
gradually reduced. CHLC charges you State sales tax and their shipping is
very high...$17.10 on one of my orders for 7 discs. With this change I'll
be far less enthusiastic about recommending them. There are still some
noteworthy films to select from, but most of the real plums have been
removed, or will count as two choices. Worse yet, selecting one of the
wrong 2 for 1 titles will quickly wipe out any discount advantage CHLC
offers over the other mail order houses.

If you're thinking about joining, I'd do it quickly and I'd get my hands
on the ad from the October issue of Video which has the old offer (no
disc exclusions other than special sets and Cleopatra). The ad has a
department number in the box you would fill out to join by mail. That
number supposedly identifies the ad you are ordering from. The dept.
number in the older ad is 9D. The new ad is dept. 2L2.

Good Luck...
Steve Copold
From: dps@otter.hpl.hp.com (Duncan Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Re: HDTV Myths (again) - don't believe the hype
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:51:39 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.

In rec.video, kimp@nuge106.its.rpi.edu (Phil Kim) writes:

> Anybody heard of Philips IDTV?  This $6,000 TV features Dolby Surround Pro Logic, 16-9 aspect ratio screen, picture-in-picture, and can be upgrade to HDTV.

> It's 16-9 screen can be adjusted (vertical sizing) to watch letterboxed movies without black bars.

Seen a 36" model in the UK. I was less than impressed - the scan lines
were very obvious in the adjust mode (You do still see black bars,
albeit smaller than on a 4:3 set, for anything over 16:9, ie 1.78:1).
However, a UK laserdisc owner who sometimes posts here (Stuart Sturrock)
rents one and is highly delighted.

I was not told anything about HDTV upgradeability, in fact quite the
opposite - this and similar models from Nokia, etc. seem to be the
manufacturers' response to the lack of any immediate prospect of the
introduction of HDTV, particularly in Europe where the proposed
standard, HD-MAC, seems about to lose Philips' support in favour of
whatever they are developing for the US market with Thomson.
If this occurs, D-MAC is dead, because its only purpose was to offer an
interim improvement over PAL and SECAM before HDTV arrived.

What the Nokia and probably this set too can claim is HD-MAC
compatibility, a far cry from upgradeability. Several European
satellites broadcast D-MAC, which these sets can receive. They will
be HD-MAC compatible in rather the same way that b/w sets are
compatible with colour broadcasts. If upgrading is possible, you can bet
that it will be expensive, on the other hand if you can face spending $6000
on a TV, maybe you are not bothered by this.

The manufacturers seem to be desperate to create a 16:9 hardware market, though
without software (particularly in the UK), who knows how. Laserdisc players
and VCRs announce themselves as `16:9 ready' - big deal. Throw in salesmen
who don't know the difference between letterboxed and true 16:9 software and
you have a confused public.

What will eventually happen in Europe as far as HDTV is concerned is
anyone's guess right now. For my money, a 16:9 ratio set is probably
a poor investment given A) the complete absence of 16:9 software,
B) the lack of certainty over HDTV and C) the enormously high cost
(unless you rent).

One thing the Philips set does have that impresses is IDTV - 100Hz
refresh (120Hz refresh in the US I suppose). This gives the picture
a wonderful solidity. I intend to invest (finances permitting) in a
28" 4:3 IDTV; hopefully, in five years or so HDTV and 16:9 software will
be a commercial reality and then maybe the set you describe would be
desirable (and cheaper!).

Of course, I am assuming that you are referring to the same Philips
set that I am.

Duncan
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: dyang@mynah.bellcore.com (Danny Yang)
Subject: Re: CH LD Club, what should I get?
Keywords: CH LD Club, $7.50
Organization: Morristown Research and Engineering
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 14:33:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.194749.22677@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, kho@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (kelvin.ho) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> On a related subject, where in New Jersey (around Whippany
|> or around East Brunswick) are the stores rent or sell LDs?
|> 
|> Any pointer is very much appreciated.
|> 
|> Kelvin

Sight and Sound - Morristown    201-267-0600
        membership $50, $3 per day
        nonmember, $5 per day
Video Towne     - Morristown    201-984-0505
        membership $0, $3.5 for two days
Valley Video    - Morris Plains 201-292-1123
Marquee Video   - Bridgewater   908-722-9545
        membership $0, $2.8 for two days

-- 
Kun-Min Yang
Bellcore, MRE2A260
(908)829-4417
From: wave@waits.media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: HDTV Myths (again) - don't believe the hype
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:19:37 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

Tony Wen Hsun Lai writes
> In article <1992Oct6.190054.15059@news.media.mit.edu>  
wave@waits.media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) writes:
> [stuff deleted]
> >The Audience Research group here at the Media Lab did a great study a 
> >few years back which I participated in (just as a subject, not as  a
> >researcher)....  but my opinion was that the ShowScan was great (although
> >still not as "great" as I would have expected, oddly) and the HiVision
> >and NTSC were indistinguishable, but certainly way down from the ShowScan.
> 
> What do you mean by HiVision?  Compressed or uncompressed HDTV?  What
> sizes were the HDTV and NTSC monitors?  The real point of HDTV is not
> resolution, but viewing distance and size -- with HDTV, one can increase
> the screen area by a factor of 5 over a conventional set, or sit twice
> as close, without sacrificing image quality.

What do you mean, what do I mean?  HiVision is a very particular kind of
HDTV, one of the only ones that you can go out and buy today.  Again, the
point of my originial posting was to inject some reality into the argument
of "A is better than B" - I described a particular experiment I participated
in.  It compared HiVision (a commercial, particular implementation of HDTV),
NTSC, and ShowScan.

> 
> Also, due to limitations of current CRT technology, the CRT HDTV monitors
> intended for "home" use can't display full HDTV resolution.

Really?  That's interesting.  Where did you hear that?


> 
> >When you compare really clean NTSC with really clean HiVision, the main 
> >difference is the aspect ratio, not the resolution.  This crowd especially,
> >with an overwhelming population consisting of laser disc owners (arguably
> >the best that NTSC can do), would, I think, be rather underwhelmed by the
> >current state of HDTV.
> 
> What do you mean by clean NTSC?  Studio quality NTSC?  NTSC under optimal
> broadcast conditions?  SuperNTSC, ClearVision, or some other EDTV system?

I think I mean "clean NTSC".  That equals "Studio quality NTSC", which is 
a signal coming directly off a 1" tape.


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Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Mail-order companies for Hi-8mm camcorders
From: pmisra@desire.wright.edu
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:50:33 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

Hi folks:

I am in the market for Hi-8mm camcorder. I would appreciate your
input on:
1. What mail-order companies should I consider - I would like to
   make sure they equipment carries US warranties.
2. What questions should I ask so I do not get conned into buying
   something that I will later regret.
3. While we are at it, if you own (have owned one) Hi-8, do you
   have any recommendations. Right now I am looking at Sony V5000
   or Cannon A1 (I might be wrong on the model #s).
Thanks for your input.

Pradeep Misra
From: sudesh@utkal.njit.edu (T. J. Sudesh)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: INFO ON SLV-595 HF
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:26:45 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


 Hi guys,
	Just two days ago I bought a SONY SLV-595HF.But to my dismay I found that the same does not have auto tracking in LP mode.I use a lot of tapes recorded in
LP mode.Also though the picture has good resolution,its full of grains.Could 
owners of the same forward their comments/suggestions to me.I have about 4 days to
return the contraption back.I would greatly appreciats any kind of help in this
regard.
				Looking forward to hearing from you guys out there.
							warm regards,
								sudesh.
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: hhamouda@unity.ncsu.edu (Hechmi Hamouda)
Subject: PAL/SECAM/NTSC CONVERSION OF VIDEO TAPING
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:20:03 GMT


Hi everyone,
You probably know about the incompatibility between different video systems in use throughout the world, NTSC here in the US, CANADA and Japan, PAL and SECAM and their sub-systems in the rest of the globe. For several years, I have had a couple of VHS tapes which were recorded on the PAL system. In the past, I inquired about having these tapes converted into NTSC so I can play them here. The fees were anywhere between $75 to $120 per tape.

I wanted to share a discovery I made few weeks ago. There is a service in Raleigh N.C. called INTERNATIONAL VIDEO CONVERSION where I got my tapes quickly converted, within 24 hours, at a price as low as $20.00 per tape.  The converted tapes heve a very satisfactory video picture.

It seems that the conversion is made via digital treatment of the video signal and tapes both in the VHS and 8 mm formats can be converted. They also convert from NTSC to other coutries systems. I guess they have a country listing with their different TV broadcating systems. They can be reached at (919) 233-8689.

I will be willing to pass along to them any reply to this posting or questions you have about particalar systems or countries.  

Sincerely,
Hechmi.
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: gregde@microsoft.com (Greg Demichillie)
Subject: Re: Dolby Surround on TV
Date: 09 Oct 92 17:26:58 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Oct08.190110.8902@bmerh85.bnr.ca> stud1b53@bnr.ca (Vilhelm Boggild) writes:
>
>  Perhaps this isn't the right group for this question, but
>I was wondering if anyone could tell me which television programs
>are currently being broadcast in Dolby Surround.  I wasn't aware
>that this was being done until I noticed last night the Dolby
>Surround logo during the opening credits of Beverly Hills 90210
>(ok, so I watch the show occasionally, sue me :-).  Is there a list
>of all Dolby Surround tv shows available via anonymous ftp anywhere?
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
>
>-- 

I don't have a complete list but I know that Star Trek: The Next
Generation is broadcast in Dolby Surround.  It also is one of the
few shows to make very good use of it.

Just turn on the show and switch your TV/reciever from mono and 
back to stereo -- the effect is startling!

-Greg

 

-- 
Greg DeMichillie          
gregde@microsoft.com      -- All opinions are mine, not Microsoft's -- 
From: chuckc@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Chuck Cairns)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:15:29 GMT
Subject: Non-Progressive Camcorder ?
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: rec.video


 Greetings,
 Anyone know of a video camera or camcorder which can produce 
 "non-progressive" video? In other words, the shutter is opened at
 a 30 frames per second rate and the two interlaced fields per frame are
 composed from the frame. (i.e. no time shift between fields)
 Thanks for any pointers!
 Regards,
 Chuck

 chuckc@fc.hp.com
From: dhs@cs.utexas.edu (Douglas H. Steves)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: CLD-2090B and CLD-31 Elite
Date: 10 Oct 1992 13:03:27 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: manx.cs.utexas.edu

In article <8307@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> nakao@mott.seas.ucla.edu (David Nakao) writes:
>	A local laserdisc store is selling the refurbished CLD-2090B for
>$449 and I was curious to know how this price compares to what other stores
>are charging.  Are there any well-known mail-order sources for any of the
>other refurbished models?
>	On the Elite 31, has anyone seen one around for sale lately?  I
>can't seem to find one anywhere.  For anyone curious, this is the bottom
>end of the Elite serious and had a retail of $700 or so.  But since
>I can't find anyone who sells them, I have no idea how much they really
>go for or if they're going at all.

A store here in Austin (A&B TV) is selling the CLD-31B (B stock)
for $397, and a salesman last week told me that they had
a bunch in stock, and so would take less (he told me $329).
Unfortunately, they do not do mail order (too much hassle).

I was thinking of buying one, but am a little leery about 
reliability (B stock units are units returned for repair). With
so many B stock units, it would seem that the CLD-31 might
be a rather problematic unit. Does anyone have one? 

Doug
From: rkobenter@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: HDTV Dead? Opinions...
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:35:51 -0700
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

HDTV Dead?

	This is an interesting thread, lets see what the concensus is
	I honestly think HDTV will make it here but inly if Thompson
	+ Philips apply a full pronged marketing approach and start
	winning over major superstations, its a catch-22 scenario
	peopel will not shell out the added bucks without true
	HDTV transmissions. And the state/FCC/CRTC will have to
	legislate a norm for once and all.

	So, what are we talking about here, 10 years? more?

	Opinions? Please post...

robert kobenter
rwkobent@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca
victoria, BC, Canada
.
ps: inly=only, peopel=people, some terminal emulators are prone to spelling
mistakes!
;


:)

Newsgroups: rec.video
From: kimp@rs6414.ecs.rpi.edu (Phil Kim)
Subject: Re: Top 10 Fav films?
Reply-To: kimp@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:13:46 GMT

In article <1binu7INN8i8@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, boisvert@joseph.WPI.EDU (Brian Richard Boisvert) writes:
|> In article <wg2zxk+@rpi.edu> kimp@rpi.edu writes:
|> >Okay, my List-Your-Laserdisc didn't work out, so how about your Top 10 Favorite films of all time?  I need (or want) to expand my tiny video library and would value others opinion.
|> >
|> >Anyway, this is my list (subject to change):
|> >	1. Raging Bull
|> >	2. Citizen Kane
|> >	3. Casablanca
|> >	4. 2001: A Space Odyssey
|> >	5. Ben-Hur
|> >	6. Notorious
|> >	7. The Godfather
|> >	8. Doctor Zhivago
|> >	9. Star Wars
|> >	10. Dr. Stragelove
|> 
|> 	Please take this sort of thing to rec.arts.movies or something.  
|> rec.video is not the place to clutter with film opinions.
|> 
|> -- 
|> Brian R. Boisvert    Worcester Polytechnic Institute    boisvert@wpi.wpi.edu

Sorry.  I thought any video-related topics are to be discussed here.
From: sss@castle.ed.ac.uk (S S Sturrock)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: HDTV Myths (again) - don't believe the hype
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:25:41 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <JDAVIDSO.92Oct8090848@tigger.teknowledge.com> jdavidso@teknowledge.com (Jim Davidson) writes:
>
>If you were in fact ~7x PH from the monitors, I would expect that HDTV would
>*not* provide much noticeable improvement.  If you move closer, you should
>reach a point where the scan lines start to show on NTSC, but not HDTV.
>*That's* where the benefits of HDTV kick in.

Of more importance than increasing the number of scan lines is getting rid
of the grotty colour encoding schemes of both NTSC/PAL/SECAM.  A video
image of say 625 lines with normal PAL colour suffers all sorts of nasty
artifacts, colour run, dot crawl, confusion between monochrome and
chromiance information and the likes.  Take the D-MAC standard which uses
the same frame rate and number of scan lines as UK-PAL, the image quality
is far superiour when driven through a suitable connector because
chromiance and luminance are far more successfully separated giving a very
crisp picture, of course D-MAC through a standard TV will need to be
converted to PAL so losing all the gains.  Most of the time the scan lines
are not terribly noticible on a big TV (even in movie expand on my Philips
16:9 set where there are only 400 scan lines).  If the Philips CD-I players
can only produce a resolution comparable to VHS I still expect them to look
far better if the colour is retrieved properly, this may even be a point
where CD-I could beat LD.

All I am saying is that a large picture suffers not only because the scan
lines are more visible.  If HiVision does not correct the usual composite
video artifacts then I am not surprised that it does not look much better
than NTSC (I hope this is not the case though).  If you ever see HD-MAC you
will realise that PAL/NTSC/SECAM cannot hold a candle to it.  Which ever
HDTV system is finally settled on wherever you are hope and pray that the
colour is the major improvement as opposed to just increasing the number of
scan lines.

We return you to your usual arguments.
-- 
Shane Sturrock, Biocomputing Research Unit, Darwin Building, Mayfield Road,
University of Edinburgh, Scotland, Commonwealth of Independant Kingdoms.  :-)

Civilisation is a Haggis Supper with salt and sauce and a bottle of Irn Bru.
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: hafner@ifi.unizh.ch (Michel Hafner)
Subject: Re: HDTV Myths (again)
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 21:39:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.161443.9488@imax.imax.com> dave@imax.imax.com (Dave Martindale) writes:
>I must agree.  The only reference I've found for the "HDTV is as good
>as 35mm" argument is that someone did a resolution test of 35mm film
>running on a typical 35mm projector in a theatre.  In that test,
>the resolution was about 800 lines - worse than the Japanese HDTV system.

I wonder how that number was figured out? Did they actually project a print
with lines of varying thickness to see where the lines get indistinguishable
on the screen?
								M.H.
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