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From: aclark@netcom.com (Al Clark)
Subject: Re: Which group id?
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 21:30:40 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Sep28.001618.21799@cs.brown.edu> wcn@cs.brown.edu (Wen-Chun Ni) writes:
>
>Suppose I have a directory whose group id is "student." My set of group
>id includes "student" but the group id in my passwd entry is
>"graduate". If I write a file into the directory, what group id
>will be set to this file?
>
>	Under Linux: it's "graduate."
>	Under SunOS: it's "student."
>
>Which is correct? I think SunOS is right. Opinions?
>
>
>
>Wen-Chun Ni

The default group of a new file under SunOS is your choice;
If the directory has ordinary permissions, you'll use the passwd entry
group ("graduate" above).  However, if the directory has setgid bit set,
you'll use the directories group id.  See chmod(1).  If you look closely,
I think you'll find this is the case in your example.  This is Sun's
way of resolving the difference between the BSD and SYS5 defaults.

Linux appears to be using the SYS5 approach, but without a newgrp command.


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From: Michael.Shorten@f530.n231.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Shorten)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Linux questions...
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:08:00 -0800


Hi!

Forgive me if the headers are wrong, I'm getting the echo via Fidonet.

I've just completed the minimal installation of Linux with the SLS
package. As a result, I don't have mtools installed. If I read the dox
right, mtools is the only way I can get stuff from DOS floppies or my
DOS harddrive to the Linux drive. Is that true? I'd like to install
Kermit on the Linux drive so I can ftp stuff using my university unix
account and d/l it to my Linux drive.

Second question, (and yea, I actually RTFM'd, just couldn't find it in
TFM... :)  is there anyway to change the stupid default prompt from
/user#  ? I hate the # :)

Thanx!
-Mike Shorten
Mike.Shorten@f530.n231.z1.fidonet.org
SL319001@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
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Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:29:39 -0400 
From: Stefan Monnier <osoelgaultier+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: NJ/SML
	<KETIL.92Sep29143043@spurv.ii.uib.no>

Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux: 29-Sep-92 Re: NJ/SML Ketil M.
Malde@spurv.ii. (734)

> In article <1992Sep28.213612.10542@cs.rose-hulman.edu>
> mgrjtb@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu writes:

>    [...]
>    I don't have time to keep up with this group, use my Linux machine
>    and eat, so please send e-mail.

> Isn't this a problem for most of us?  Perhaps it is time for a split?
> Something like, *.bugs, *.help, *.dev[elopment]  and perhaps *.tech,
> *.programming and/or *.hardware

VERY GOOD idea !
I think we could keep this one for general help and create a
.tech and .bug or .ports
There were more than a 100 messages today: too much for me !

> Would make things somewhat more manageable... also, is there a FAQ?

Sure there is: just look in pit-manager.mit.edu /pub/usenet
It may not be the real last one but: this is the repository for almost
all known FAQs. Once you've got a FAQ, the last one is easy to find !

> No flames, please, I *know* you use a sh*tty newsreader who can't
> handle a) more groups, b) crosspostings but only kill-files..but I
don't.

> --
>  = Ketil Malde                     In real life:  ketil@ii.uib.no =
>  = Nuke the whales!                    Honk if you love unicorns! =


	Stefan Monnier

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From: schli@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfram Schlickenrieder)
Subject: Help: 'ps' & 'top' don't work anymore... 
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 14:14:39 GMT


	Hi...

	I upgraded from 0.96c to 0.97pl1 (nice install script:).
	Unfortunately I discovered that 'ps' and 'top' stopped working
	since then.

	'ps' writes a message saying that I might have to recompile it
	for 0.97, and I did, but nothing happened.  'ps' also says
	that there is something wrong with some 'magic number' in
	/etc/system. Since there wasn't any /etc/system, I created the
	directory, but 'ps' says there's still a wrong magic number
	(somehow) associated with it -- whatever that may mean now...
	The suggestion to type 'ps -U' (made by 'ps' itself as well)
	didn't have any effect either...

	'top' reports difficulties reading /dev/kmem.  This cannot be
	because of insufficient rights (I think 'ps' is 
	SUID root, and /dev/kmem is owned by root as well).

	Can anyone out there provide me with a working version of 'ps'
	and 'top', or tell me what I'm doing wrong?

	Thanx in advance...

	...Wolfram
From: books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu (Roger Books)
Subject: Re: Who will handle publicity for Linux 1.0?
Keywords: Advertising
Organization: FSU nuclear physics
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:21:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.084430.11868@ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> weberj@dia.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (Weber) writes:
>Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
>Path: mailer.cc.fsu.edu!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!nigel.msen.com!math.fu-berlin.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!ifi!news
>From: weberj@dia.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (Weber)
>Subject: Re: Who will handle publicity for Linux 1.0?
>Message-ID: <1992Sep29.084430.11868@ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de>
>Keywords: Advertising
>Sender: news@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de
>Organization: Informatik, Uni Stuttgart, W.Germany
>References: <yp_ppnq@lynx.unm.edu> <BvAxpB.74G@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
>Distribution: usa
>Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:44:30 GMT
>Lines: 13
>In article <BvAxpB.74G@ucunix.san.uc.edu> zuazaga@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga) writes:
>>advertizing BSD386 0.1 and Linux 0.96 together for $100.  I think the
>>word is slowly getting out.
>
>So Linus put in many man-months for free and those people want
>$100 just for copying?
>
>
>-- 
>
>Juergen G. Weber
>Student am Institut fuer Informatik
>Universitaet Stuttgart - Germany

Sure, that's what free software is about, of course, I would expect support
for $100.

Roger

books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu
From: ifai645@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Paul C. Janzen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux & AT&T Sys V compatibility
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:04:58 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep22.230508.1466@muddcs.claremont.edu> jwinstea@fenris.claremont.edu (Jim Winstead Jr.) writes:
>In article <1992Sep22.133103.10165@crash> coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) writes:
>>Does Linux have support for:
>>	* nap() (like sleep(), but in milliseconds)
>
>usleep() is the name.

Usleep is in *micro* seconds. (The u is supposed to look like the little
greek letter that stands for micro - mu.)

But if you have usleep, how hard can it be to write msleep....

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ifai645@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu    people make a mistake, one of them keeps
                              paying for it.   -- Peggy Joyce
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: 386BSD vs Linux  (* NO FLAMES *
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:20:57 GMT

Dan Newcombe (STDN%MARIST@VM.MARIST.EDU) wrote:

: Right now I only have DOS and 386BSD.  My optimal hard drive would be:
:   1 GigaByte Drive
:     250 Megs  386BSD
:     160 Megs  DOS
:     160 Megs  Linux
:     160 Megs  OS/2
:      10 Megs  CP/M
: and the rest Solaris :)

With all due respect to Sun, I don't Solaris would fit. :)
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG     erc@apple.com                801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
From: maspab@gdr.bath.ac.uk (P A Broadbery)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: DOS emulation under PD unix..
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:34:45 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, robn@liberator.et.tudelft.nl (Rob van Nieuwkerk) writes:
>S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz) writes:
>
>>[from comp.unix.dos-under-unix - followup to comp.os.linux]
>>features can equally replace MS Windows. Usually a DOS emulation is
>>needed to run one or two application which still can not be replaced
>>(dviscr from emTeX comes to my mind...)
>
>How about xdvi ?  Works ok for me.
>
>	Rob van Nieuwkerk

Or for those of us without X11, just grab the sources and replace the
screen driver with vgalib (from tsx-11:somewhere) and try rebuilding.
I did this with dvivga, and it works OK, if a little more slowly than
the DOS version. (Contact me if you want a copy, but I still have to
take out a few more dos-isms before releasing the next version). 

I guess we still need DOS emulation for all those games out there
though. Anyone have a port of Elite? or Lotus 1-2-3 ?

Pete

pab@maths.bath.ac.uk

Building a PC: first take your silicon....
From: Joe.Klemmer@f615.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Klemmer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Linux on disc
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 19:27:02 -0800

PE=>As i only have USENET acess and not FTP, i wonder where i can get
PE=>linux on disc, and utilties that are for linux. As i is new to
PE=>the unix system(s), what is needed to run LINUX on a MSdos system.

        I know that there is a BBS in Main that has the SLS release
that
you can D/L.  It's The Lobster Bouey @ 207-941-0805.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rafal@utstat.uucp (Rafal Kustra (summer student))
Subject: Re: Small question on clocks.
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:15:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.200847.7954@utdallas.edu> ramesh@utdallas.edu (R. Ramesh) writes:
>
>Hi:
>
>  My video card says that it can do 1024x768 at 70Hz. This in my little
>(may be wrong) calculation works out about 75MHz dot clock. Does this mean
>that there should be a clock value near 75 output by clock.exe? 

Make sure it is non-interlaced (progressive) mode. That's
what the calculations in tutorial are based on.

>I get one at 72 and another at 79 both of which are unusable to get acceptable
>results. So I have this question: Is the order of clocks important in the
>Xconfig file. In otherwords does X386 use the clock value to set the video dot
>clock or use the position of the clock value to choose the available clock at
>that position in the card? 
>
The clock entries are just labels ( same with resolution
names). It means you can put 
Clocks 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 
       8 9 0
 And it will work asssuming you use same names in your
 ModeDb part. It just matches entry from mode to one in
 ModeDb , gets clock name from there, goes to Clocks
 line, finds clocks entry and activates clock value at
 place where it found te clock. Like saying: "Hey card,
 turn on clock nr 5, whatever it means".
 Hope it helps,

				Rafal


>   May be I should make myself clear, let us say I get 79 dot clock as the
>5th entry in my output (of dot clocks) does this mean (a) or (b) below
>^^^
>
>(a) X386 will try to set dot clock to 79Mhz even if it is unable to do so
>    it will proceed assuming it has set it at that value.
>        OR 
>(b) X386 will set the fifth available clock in the video card but assume it to
>    be 79Mhz in its calculations. 
>
>
>Ramesh


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Xref: sparky comp.os.linux:12055 comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit:184
From: ketil@spurv.ii.uib.no (Ketil M. Malde)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: Re: Who will handle publicity for Linux 1.0?
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:42:37 GMT
	<1992Sep29.064528.27508@cc.tut.fi>
Reply-To: ketil@ii.uib.no
Organization: student of computer science at the University of Bergen, Norway

In article <1992Sep29.064528.27508@cc.tut.fi> jk87377@cc.tut.fi (Juhana Kouhia) writes:

   Not everyone; there's no many magazines.
   We should compile a list of magazines/journals appropriate for this
   kind of announcing and decide who will send the press release
   to target.
   If everyone would send a letter to their favourite magazine, it
   may happen that the magazine will not publish anything, because
   they think that we are trying to just make harm to them by sending
   N+1 announces to them (after three letters they will be stroking
   letters to garbage box).

OK, so this is what we'll do, to get wider coverage of LINUX in
magazines:

We'll collect (electronically) names and email adresses from all the
people who DEMAND coverage of linux, and why not Gnu-stuff and other
free unix software.  Then we'll present the lists to the magazines in
question, and DEMAND, DEMAND, DEMAND.  Saves us (as a whole) postage,
too.

Now all we need is someone willing to organize the whole thing...

Btw, will this be the first time something like this has been done
electronically? 

   Also newspapers loves titles like "Real computer operating system
   reaches home computers for free". At least, our newspapers have
   science&nature stories weekly.

Perhaps...I wonder if this is too technical for common newspapers,
though.  Also, the target group is better reached through the computer
mags. 

--
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 = Nuke the whales!                    Honk if you love unicorns! =
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: mopar@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mopar Mike)
Subject: scsi/inode bit
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:22:47 GMT

ARG!!!  Sometimes for no reason linux will return this error:

   inode bit already free
   or inode bit cleared

and it will repeat this five or six times then wipe out the partition
on the scsi drive.  It's getting real frustrating because everytime I
get something installed linux wipes out that partition for me  :-)

My setup is as follows:

	magitronic 386dx/40
	two st296n scsi drives controlled by an st02
	two st225 mfm drives controlled by a WD1003-wah
	16 meg ram, tseng lab card (et4000)
	generic serial card

This thing only happens to my scsi drives.  I've got two partitions on
each drive and the second st225 drive is a linux only drive from which
I mount the scsi partitions onto.

If anyone has ever seen this please e-mail me the solution as I dont have
time to read through the hundreds of posts that go through this group.

					=-mike neuliep
					mopar@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh)
Subject: YALP (Yet Another LILO Problem)
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:44:14 GMT

I had LILO (version 4? Whatever's on 0.97 MCC-interim) working for
a while by simply running the /etc/lilo/install script provided; it would
boot DOS automatically on /dev/hda1 (and if I pressed shift during
bootup give me the option of booting linux or old-linux). However, in
an effort to change my default boot to Linux, I just toggled the 
bootable partition flags in my partition table. This seemed to work
fine, but now Lilo can't boot MSDOS (when it tries, I get a "Non System
Disk or Disk Error"). I have tried to toggle the flags on my partition
so the DOS partition was once again flagged as bootable, and I have even
reverted to my old DOS-only boot sector, and then re-installed LILO as
before--- all to no avail. LILO still boots Linux as default and gives
me the error when booting DOS. What's going on? Maybe someone can give
me the Lilo install command that I need to boot linux as default (on
/dev/hda3 from /etc/Image) and DOS on /dev/hda1. 

Thanks for any help.

mdw

-- 
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Systems Programmer, Cornell Theory Center
  "Yow! Up ahead! It's a DONUT HUT!!"
From: bille@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Bill Ehrendreich)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Modem question
Date: 6 Oct 1992 03:48:26 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bille@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Bill Ehrendreich)
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu
Originator: bille@studsys.mscs.mu.edu

Does anyone know how to set up the ttys's so that they echo back to a term pro 
program like minicom or xcom. I can get the program to talk to the modem fine 
but the modem can't seem to talk back to the console. This makes it rather 
hard to respond to prompts from a remote system......
 
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: hpa@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin N9ITP)
Subject: Re: Who will handle publicity for Linux 1.0?
Reply-To: hpa@nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
Organization: You must be kidding!
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:09:55 GMT

In article <BvBpCD.AsJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> of comp.os.linux,
  djr48312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (X X) writes:
> I think linus should get a little compensation for the hard work he has
> put into this wonderful product.  Maybe make it so if you register it for
> say x dollars you get these additional features.  

Then send a few bucks to the Linus fund (see recent post of mine).  You
won't get any extra features... Linus is already giving us everything he's
got.

	/hpa

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: runefr@ifi.uio.no (Rune Fr|ysa)
Subject: HELP! Newcomer with X11v2.0
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:05:05 GMT
Originator: runefr@sognsvann.ifi.uio.no


Having used Unix here at the Institute of Informatics,
Univesity in Oslo for about one month, I decided to install
Linux and X11 on my system which is:
486DX-33, 4MB RAM, 212 MB HD, Trident 9000 VGA card.

1) I have downloaded all the X11v2.0 files on tsx-11.mit.edu, and untared
them from my root directory. I changed the path by setting 
PATH=/usr/X386/bin:$PATH;
in the file /.prefs.
Now, when i type startx, nothing happends, and all other files in the
directory results in a core dump. Whats wrong?
I know that I should use a file called .Xconfig, but I cannot find it.

2) Next, I tried to recompile my kernel, using GCC2.2.2d. Running make from
the directory with the source files the following happened:

tty_io.c:(line)Warning `tty_write_flush` declarations disagree about `inline`.
And in the file console.c, I got (after about 1 hour): 
out of swap memory
out of memory.

I believe that my source is the one that came with patch level 5(v.0.97), 
atleast the date of the README file in /usr/src/linux is Sep 11.

3) I have read all the FAQ files/Introduction to Linux files that I could find,
but none describes how to handle the different setup files in Linux.
Could anyone with a good please e-mail me a copy of their setup files, 
and perhaps also a `find >files.txt` file? Or at least some information
about where to get some more info on Linux? Information on the `must-have`
files for linux, such as grep, man, file, zip.... would also be apreciated.

Please don`t reply with: Use the SLS distibution.. I have already tested it.

Any help greatly appreciated.


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From: jjlawren@garfield.waterloo.edu (Jay Lawrence - DCS, MC 2022, x6480,,)
Subject: QIC-40 idea...
Reply-To: jjlawren@garfield.waterloo.edu
Organization: Department of Computing Services, University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:09:49 GMT

In article 15904@umd5.umd.edu, colbert@astro.umd.edu (Edward J.M. Colbert) writes:
>If Linux has a problem interfacing with the CMS Jumbo tape drives because
>of the floppy-driver interface, then how about a program that runs from
>DOS that read the Linux filesytem?  Of course it means that you still have
>have DOS around (although you could run from floppy), but at least you 
>could USE the tape drive.

I don't know what other people's motivation for having a tape drive is, but mine is for makin a simple backup that I can resort to in case of major screwups.  I was thinking
of two possible approaches, 1) a dos program to do a disk image backup.  This is
really crude, but if you did something dumb like rm -r /usr/* as root then it would
probably be the best route of recovery.  If you made frequent image backups then
life could be quite safe...but what a pain...even with a tape drive several hundred
megs becomes inconveinent...eh?

2) the second approach could potentially be more useable:  what about writing a program
that is not designed to run in the multitasking environment...ie, this has got to be
the only user program running at the time...or just make it grab the cpu for its work
in a very undemocratic manner.  With my particular tape drive the potential size of one track is around 2-3Mb.  How about writing a program that does the ECC on the input files and then simply grabs the system and streams it out to the tape....then give the system back to process the next track?  I am not familiar enough with all of the details of device driver programming and such things, but the ECC could be more along my lines....

Anyway, comments?  I want my backup going soon....that's why I got the tape drive in the first place....(this _WAS_ pre-Linux, btw....and no I don't have the $$$ nor inclination at this time to do SCSI...sigh.)

Jay
From: pfaffman@pilot.njin.net (Jay Pfaffman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Format for /etc/fstab?  | DRDOS 6.0 FS problem | 0.97.6 prob's
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:39:55 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Mount doesn't know that my root file system is mounted. I think
it's because /etc/fstab is missing.  I deleted it because it was 
wrong.  I don't know why I didn't edit it.  It's much clearer
in retrospect.

Anyway, it's a ~50MB minix/linux partition on an IDE (hda4)
---
I can't mount my DRDOS partition. I get "unsupported FS parameters"
or words to that effect. I hoped that compiling 0.97 pl 6 would fix
it, but I can't get it to boot. Any ideas before I reformat or go to
MSDOS 5.0?
---
I compiled 0.97.6 but it reboots just before it asks what VGA mode I 
want.  Help?
-- 
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Dwight-Englewood School, 315 E. Palisade Ave.                      
Englewood, NJ  07631-0489                 201-569-9500
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From: okir@monad.swb.de (Olaf Kirch)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Great marketing (Was Re: BYTE asks, is UNIX dead?)
Organization: Little Hole in the Ground
Date: Sun,  4 Oct 92 12:20:57 MEZ

Never underestimate a company that made MessLoss a commercial success! :-)

Olaf
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