From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: The christian perspective...?
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:12:25 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Oct1.172933.21954@sniap.mchp.sni.de> Frank.ODwyer@ap.mchp.sni.de (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.192511.23079@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> kristyp@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kristy Patterson) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep23.113706.20405@sniap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S436.sniap.mchp.sni.de (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>>>Even where birth control is involved, acceptance of the risk of pregnancy is
>>>implicit in consent to sex - and the woman, and her partner, bear 
>>>total responsibility for both her own and the fetus' predicament.  
>>>Enforced slavery, my eye!  Do you or does anyone else really believe 
>>>this crock?

>>This is YOUR OPINION, that "acceptance of the risk of pregnancy is implicit
>>in consent to sex." I do NOT share your opinion. Thus, I guess I "really
>>believe this crock."  Consent to sex = consent to sex, nothing more, nothing
>>less.

>What I would like to know from you is the following:

>When there is a zygote in a woman's womb, who put it there?

>The tooth fairy?

Perhaps in some cases. Once Yahweh did it, Zeus did it a lot, and then
of course, one can always settle for the local stud.

>If the parents had nothing to do with it getting there, then how did this
>happen?

It's a miracle! (I'm not sure what relationship 'if the parents had nothing
to do with it' has to the legal issue of abortion, but I will assume that
you consider children a fitting punishment for sex, and not as a blessing
to be sought when one can provide for them fittingly.)

>If the parents are not responsible for it, then who is?

Once again, I am not sure what you mean by responsibility. I consider it
grotesque beyond belief to bring children into poverty, but your mileage
may vary. Some people find quantity of more interest than quality.

>Assuming that you think parents sometimes have responsibility for their kids,
>when do you say they acquire it?

At birth. :-)
I would prefer that people do their damndest not to conceive if they are
unable to properly provide for a child. My rationale for this is the
burden on the health care system, and the psychic and physical health of
the man and woman involved in either having a child one is not able to
care for properly or in terminating a pregnancy. 
>By which action does a father acquire responsibility for a child, if not
>through his consent to sexual intercourse?   After all, that is all he does 
>until the baby is born.
>
>[...]
>
>>>--
>>>Frank O'Dwyer	
>>
>>-Kristy
>>-- 
>>    +==========================+===========================================+
>>    |Kristy Patterson          | What is the law?      NO SPILL BLOOD!     |
>>    |kristyp@mac.dartmouth.edu | Who makes the rules?  SOMEONE ELSE!       |
>>    +==========================+============================Oingo Boingo===+
>
>
>-- 
>Frank.ODwyer@ap.mchp.sni.de     "I heard about a couple livin' in the USA
>                                 They traded in their baby for a chevrolet"
>				   - Elvis Costello.  'Less than Zero'


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