HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelyn Aldridge)
Subject: Re: Next project?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:38:45 GMT


	Fantastic day today. Went to East Bay Nursery in Berkeley. It's on
2332 San Pablo, which is a block or so south of University on San Pablo.
Met a guy there named Bentley who showed me some of the bonsai he'd done. 
One of the other nurserymen showed me a corokia contoneaster, I'd not seen
one before. 

	So, I bought a corokia contoneaster, a japanese boxwood, and a
feather cypress (chamaecyparis pisifera).

	The corokia contoneaster has upright multiple trunks with 
perpendicular branching straight out, but crossing and recrossing  each
other on the interior of the tree. It looks like something out of
Modred's forest, earie (excuse spelling here). In a gallon pot and about a
foot tall. Tiny leaves, they open up black like the branches and then turn
green. 9- each. 

	The japanese boxwoods had great trunks and good roots. They remind
me of English Oaks. Upright single and double trunks, looking aged already.
I chose a smaller one, about a foot high. There was one in the back part of
the lot that I'd have loved to have. Inch diameter trunk, about a foot and
a half high. Absolutely gorgeous for a large single standing tree. The
smaller ones were 9-, the larger up to 25-.

	The feather cypress is my pride and joy. It's about two feet high
with a two foot diameter umbrella shaped "top". It has about eight major 
branches coming from a common short trunk. These branch and rebranch to
form the top. It looks somewhat like an open,multibrached olive in the
branches. But what it looks most like are the trees that grow along some of
the northern beaches in California. Range: 25- to 50-. 
	
	There were about 6 more corkia there, dozens of small boxwood,
about 7 large boxwoods, and three more of the feather cypress. One of the
feather cypress was a magnificent upright form. 

Trunk almost like a
readwood in growth. 2 1/2 or three feet high. Well branched and filled out.
It was 50-. The one I chose was 30-.  

	There were lots of great shrub/trees to chose from. One type I liked but
didn't get was a gotesque form of curvy branches which twisted back and
around. Beautiful specimen trees. About two feet high. I think they were
called  filberts.

	Now all sit in the kitchen to be admired and so I can choose what
kind of pot to put them in. I think the smaller ones will go into
rectangular pots, smallish. The large feather cypress in a large round pot,
probably one like I saw at the nursery which had a profile which tapers
down conically so the body of the pot isn't very noticable.  

	Hope you are all enjoying the holidays. --Jackie--
From: moreland@conan.jsc.nasa.gov (Linda Moreland)
Subject: Re: growing problems
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:36:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.140835.1431@alex.com> dave@alex.com (Dave Quinn) writes:
>In article <nhamer.724435890@cunews>, nhamer@alfred.carleton.ca (Nicola Hamer) writes:
>|> it with Pokon Bonsai fertilizer and I can't figure out what else to
>|> do. Does anyone have any sugestions about why this thing never grows?
>|>                                      NH. 
>|>  
>
>I am shooting a bit blind here seeing as I have never had a fukien tea trea
>myself, but here goes... 
>
>My first guess would be that it is pot bound. Fortunately that is also
>the easiest thing to check - just take it out of the pot!
>
>Off the top of my head, I don't know what the constituents of Pokon 
>fertilizer are. You might want to try a nitrogen based fertilizer to
>encourage growth or perhaps a hormonal one such as Superthrive. 
>
>This time of year is probably not the best time to attempt this sort of
>thing though. Even indoor trees often benefit from a period of relative
>inactivity.
>
>I hope any of this helps! Maybe someone with experience of Fukien Teas 
>(or anyone at all for that matter) could correct me on anything I have got 
>wrong.
>
>:-)
>
>-- 
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                     (          *#/*           )  Alex Technologies Ltd.
>     David Quinn      )       *##*\##         (   CP House,
>    dave@alex.com    (      *###*_/-*##*       )  97-107 Uxbridge Road,
>                      )     _____/______      (   Ealing,London W5 5TL
>_____________________(______\----------/_______)________________________


My husband has a few fukien tea bonsais (2 different varieties).  Both
varieties grow like weeds, but the growth is in spurts.  As far as I know,
he doesn't do anything special to them.  So I don't know what we are
doing right.  By the way, how much light is it getting?  Most of our
trees stay outside and get direct sunlight.

-- 
Linda Moreland			Not me!  Not me!	
(713) 244-5283			
Intelligent Systems Branch
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: growing problems
From: keith@intaud.usu.edu (Keith Sedgwick)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:42:26 GMT
Organization: Utah State University (USU)

In article <1992Dec17.140835.1431@alex.com> dave@alex.com (Dave Quinn) writes:

>In article <nhamer.724435890@cunews>, nhamer@alfred.carleton.ca (Nicola Hamer) writes:
>|> it with Pokon Bonsai fertilizer and I can't figure out what else to
>|> do. Does anyone have any sugestions about why this thing never grows?
>|>                                      NH. 
>|>  

>I am shooting a bit blind here seeing as I have never had a fukien tea trea
>myself, but here goes... 

>My first guess would be that it is pot bound. Fortunately that is also
>the easiest thing to check - just take it out of the pot!

>Off the top of my head, I don't know what the constituents of Pokon 
>fertilizer are. You might want to try a nitrogen based fertilizer to
>encourage growth or perhaps a hormonal one such as Superthrive. 

>This time of year is probably not the best time to attempt this sort of
>thing though. Even indoor trees often benefit from a period of relative
>inactivity.

>I hope any of this helps! Maybe someone with experience of Fukien Teas 
>(or anyone at all for that matter) could correct me on anything I have got 
>wrong.

>:-)

Hello:

	I tried a Fukien Tea several years ago and when I purchased it 
the bonsai nurseryman said they don't like their roots pruned a lot.
In fact he had me plant it into a tall cascade pot so it would have 
a lot of room to grow.  I kept it alive several months but when I had 
to go out of twon, my waterer didn't give it enough and I lost it.

	You might be careful not to do a lot of heavy root pruning if 
you repot your Tea tree.  Good Luck.

				Keith

KEITH@INTAUD.USU.EDU
Keith Sedgwick

Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz (A.S. Chamove)
Subject: Re: Sweet corn bonsai?
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:48:13 GMT

Here in NZ they are working on Bonsai with fruit trees using sacks
with small holes for fruit trees. The trees seem to fruit well but
are small, need less feeding, get more fruit per acre. The small
holes prune the roots automatically.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Arnold Chamove
Massey University Psychology
Palmerston North, New Zealand

Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: dianen@world.std.com (Diane J Nakashian)
Subject: Best project so far (Bonsai)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:31:57 GMT

 I couldn't remember the subject line exactly, but I'd say my most significant accomplishment as been keeping a tree ALIVE (my orange jasmine) for a year now.
It was my first bonsai, I bought it as a stock plant about this time last year, and I repotted it in a class last Spring. So far it hasn't flowered yet, but otherwise, it's thriving. Luckily it's a very forgiving plant.
 
 My next project will be getting up the nerve to prune some of the little trees I've bought subsequently, most notably the serissa, which is a mess, and the bogainvilla which has what I like to refer to as a "sacrifice branch".
  
Diane dianen@world.std.com

Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: klaus@vidar.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Klaus Zeppenfeld)
Subject: contact with Linda Moreland
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at the University of
              Osnabrueck. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of the university.
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Osnabrueck, Germany
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:28:03 GMT


I'm sorry about sending this message to the world, but this is the only way
to get again in contact with
                 moreland@aio.jsc.nasa.gov
because I always got an error from their mail delivery subsystem for the 
last three days.

So please skip this message, if you're not involved with it.

Thank you very much

Klaus


----------------------------------------------------------------------------

  To: moreland@aio.jsc.nasa.gov
  Subject: Re:  Bonsai Today Back Issue
  
  
  Linda,
  I have some difficulties with your mailer daemon. I think it doesn'nt
  know your new address. But I hope this message comes through now.
    
    
  As I told you before, back issue #2 was the only issue that was missing
  in my collection. The other issues I have ordered from the publisher directly.
  Yesterday this packet arrived and they told me that they can't sell me 
  the issues #5 and #6 because they are sold out too.
    
  I beg your pardon, but what I wish you to do for me now is the following.
  If its possible please send me two issues of Bonsai Today #2, 
  one issue of #5 and one issue of #6.
  The reason for sending me two issues of #2 is that one issue is for me and
  the other issue is for my local nursery, because there is also a great 
  interest in this issue.
  I know that you have to drive to the nursery this weekend again and I 
  apppreciate it that you do this for me. 
    
  And again thank you very much and all the best
    
  Klaus

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: scriven@ecf.toronto.edu (SCRIVEN ADAM)
Subject: Roses Trees?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 15:43:10 GMT

I'm relatively new to the Bonsai world, and i was wondering if
anyone had bonsaied a rose tree?

It seems to me that it would make a good looking bonsai, with a few
small flowers to set off the shape.


Adam  (scriven@ecf.utoronto.ca)

^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^

  There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what
the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be
replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

  There is another theory that states that this has already happened.
  
				   -The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
				   
^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
From: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM (Tk)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: Next project?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 20:15:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: shootist.ebay.sun.com

In article 12104@netcom.com, gasman1@netcom.com (David A. Silva) writes:
> 
> My next project is a dwarf fuchsia. I have a very young and a slightly
> woody cutting rooting now... should be ready in 4 weeks. However, I
> haven't figured out the best style or styles to choose for this. Hope
> to hear some suggestions.
> 


David,  a suggestion (since you asked)...

	I like the slanting and informal upright styles with trees that 
have hanging fruit or flowers... it makes the color so much more visible,
and more distinct.  Semi cascade is another one to consider.

	Good luck!

Tk



Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: dave@alex.com (Dave Quinn)
Subject: Re: growing problems
Organization: Alex Technologies Ltd
Apparently-To: mail2news@demon.co.uk
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:08:35 +0000

In article <nhamer.724435890@cunews>, nhamer@alfred.carleton.ca (Nicola Hamer) writes:
|> it with Pokon Bonsai fertilizer and I can't figure out what else to
|> do. Does anyone have any sugestions about why this thing never grows?
|>                                      NH. 
|>  

I am shooting a bit blind here seeing as I have never had a fukien tea trea
myself, but here goes... 

My first guess would be that it is pot bound. Fortunately that is also
the easiest thing to check - just take it out of the pot!

Off the top of my head, I don't know what the constituents of Pokon 
fertilizer are. You might want to try a nitrogen based fertilizer to
encourage growth or perhaps a hormonal one such as Superthrive. 

This time of year is probably not the best time to attempt this sort of
thing though. Even indoor trees often benefit from a period of relative
inactivity.

I hope any of this helps! Maybe someone with experience of Fukien Teas 
(or anyone at all for that matter) could correct me on anything I have got 
wrong.

:-)

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                     (          *#/*           )  Alex Technologies Ltd.
     David Quinn      )       *##*\##         (   CP House,
    dave@alex.com    (      *###*_/-*##*       )  97-107 Uxbridge Road,
                      )     _____/______      (   Ealing,London W5 5TL
_____________________(______\----------/_______)________________________
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: ujedgell@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (James Edgell)
Subject: What a bargain
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:59:59 GMT

Last week my sister saw my bonsai and feel in love with them. So I 
went out to some local nurseries to look for some stock. I went to
Franks nurseries (the K-Mart of nurseries) and found those stupid
bonsai with the glued rocks. But wait...Mixed in was some real bonsai.
I was shocked! I bought a ficus and three zel something or other. 

They were only 16.99 per plant. They were only 8 inches tall, but showed
a lot of promis. Good roots and well formed. Two of them were trunks
with the branch part grafted. The others were regular. I grabbed four 
of the best and someone else discovered them too.

I got there just in time. another week there and they might have
died from poor care.
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: HELP! SMALL BROWN BUGS!
From: keith@intaud.usu.edu (Keith Sedgwick)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:37:09 GMT
Organization: Utah State University (USU)

In article <1992Dec17.141424.1749@alex.com> dave@alex.com (Dave Quinn) writes:

>In article <1992Dec16.024243.22038@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, tabron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu ("Sod the proles!") writes:

>They sound like Scale bugs to me but I can't remember what you are supposed
>to do to kill the things. They are definitely listed in the "things you don't
>want on your plants" section of bonsai books - so you do want to get rid 
>of them!

>Over to someone who is seated a bit closer to a bonsai book ???  Mine are
>about 30 miles away.  :-)

Hi:
	If is is Scale bugs, you can usually spray the bonsai with 
dormant oil.  This oil smothers the scale.  I don't know what it will 
do to the tree if it is not dormant.  You might want to check the lable 
very closely to see that it is OK to use dormant oil during the growing 
season.

				Keith

KEITH@INTAUD.USU.EDU
Keith Sedgwick
From: smallory@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Sweet corn bonsai?
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:27:58 GMT

I have entered the world of Bansai rather unwittingly by trying to raise
various vegetables indoors. One of the stranger effects is bonsaid corn, which
I beleive has come about because of root restriction from lack of repotting.
I also have smallish citrus (a lemon and lime under two feet, and a grapefruit,
from seed, that's now around four feet that I would like to please stop
becoming taller) and lemon grass. The lemon grass I can't tell if i'll need to
worry about, but i have read that it can become 6' tall, which would be
awkward.
  Does anyone here know of good information on the bonsai of grasses (ie: how
DO i keep 8" corn healthy?) and whether or not other herbacious plants
(tomato?) can be made into bonsai?

Thanks,
Sean Mallory     (smallory@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu)

Gheese! I don't even represent my OWN opinions, not to mention someone elses!

Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: tphan@ssdsun.asl.dl.nec.com (Timothy C. Phan)
Subject: Books for Sale!
Keywords: Bonsai Books
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Distribution: USA
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:01:43 GMT

	I've this two books I'd like to sell.  If anyone is interested, please
	email.  It'll be free Shipping and Handling if within the USA.

		1. The Complete Book of Bonsai by Harris Tomlinson.
			. hard cover, all color pictures, 11 x 9.5, 224 pages,
			  6 weeks old.  ( List $30.00, Ask $20.00)
			. Table of Contents
				_ Foreword
				_ Introduction
				_ The Art of Bonsai
				_ Creating a Bonsai
				_ Bonsai Species Guide
				_ Routine Maintenance
				_ Propagation Techniques
				_ Compendium of Trees and Shrubs for Bonsai
				_ Glossary of Terms
				_ Index
				_ Acknowledgments.
		2. The Art of Bonsai by Peter D. Adams.
			. hard cover, 96 color plates pictures and a lot of
			  black and white. 10 x 7.75. 160 pages. 2 months old
			  ( List $28.00, Ask $20.00)
			. Table of Contents
				_ Preface
				_ Introduction	
				_ Preparation Technique 
				_ Material for Bonsai
				_ Mechanics of Bonsai
				_ Aesthetics of Bonsai
				_ the Pine from Native Material
				_ General Care
				_ Appendix: Culture Data
				_ Index Culture Data
-- 
    :=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:==:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:
    | Timothy C. Phan                               tphan@asl.dl.nec.com |
    + NEC America, Inc.                             Tel: (214) 518-3437  +
    | Advanced Switching Laboratory, Irving, Tx     Fax: (214) 550-8456  |
From: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM (Thomas McCabe Kelly)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: sinuous root planting source
Date: 18 Dec 1992 18:51:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: shootist.ebay.sun.com


I promised to provide some source info on sinuous root plantings for those
insterested...  well, I got lucky and found it.

Two issues of Bonsai Today discuss it...  #3 and #20... 3 does a better job.


Tk
From: rkn@Apple.COM (Richard K. Nordin)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: Sweet corn bonsai?
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:28:06 GMT
Organization: Cybernetic Arts

In article <1992Dec14.193458.1@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu> smallory@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu writes:
>I have entered the world of Bansai rather unwittingly by trying to raise
>various vegetables indoors. One of the stranger effects is bonsaid corn, which
>I beleive has come about because of root restriction from lack of repotting.
>I also have smallish citrus (a lemon and lime under two feet, and a grapefruit,
>from seed, that's now around four feet that I would like to please stop
>becoming taller) and lemon grass. The lemon grass I can't tell if i'll need to
>worry about, but i have read that it can become 6' tall, which would be
>awkward.
>  Does anyone here know of good information on the bonsai of grasses (ie: how
>DO i keep 8" corn healthy?) and whether or not other herbacious plants
>(tomato?) can be made into bonsai?

>Sean Mallory     (smallory@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu)

Ah. Accesory plants. Sometimes referred to as accent plants. There's no
doubt a Japanese term for this, too. Anyone?

Often in a tokonoma (alcove) display of bonsai, the bonsai will be accompanied
by a scroll and an accessory--a few flowers in a vase, a small bonsai,
herbaceous planting, or an interesting stone. It helps fill in another
small detail of the feeling of nature expressed by the tree. Two of the
three bonsai books I grabbed off the shelf have information about accessory
plants, so plenty of information should be available.

But, it doesn't sound like that's really what you have. The accent plants
are small and complementary. Corn, as a domestic plant, doesn't give me
much of a natural feeling, but what the heck. If it looks good, go with it.
Let it be a specimen in its own right and not an accessory.

Anyway, the books mentioned several varieties of grasses, maise and lemon
not among them. But, the information may be applicable.

Tomato? Got me. I think you are trail-blazing!

(Hmm. Bonsai corn. Is that how they grow "baby corn"?)
-- 

Hud Nordin
Cybernetic Arts                rkn@apple.com
Post Office Box 2066           Telephone: 408.248.0377
Sunnyvale, California 94087    Facsimile: 408.248.0416
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: amd@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Andrew Dunn)
Subject: Re: What was your best Bonsai project so far?
Reply-To: amd@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk
Organization: Institute of Astronomy, Cambridge
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:59:20 GMT

Well non really.
Non of my attempts at bonsai have lasted much more than a year.
So far I have killed;
	i) a sapling Zelkova.
	ii) 2 sapling sycamores (collected from the 'wild')
	iii) several seedling acers (at least the seeds germinated!)
	iv) several seedling secoya (? redwoods)
	v) and established 4yr bonsai (not sure what it was, but related to orange)

I guess I must be doing something wrong. Actually it is usually a different problem
each time, over zealous pruning of leaves, forgetting to water, problems with damping off, and leaving an indoor bonsai outside during a frost.

Ho hum, pratice makes perfect (I hope). At least I now have a small collection of
bonsai pots.

	Andrew Dunn

Institute of Astronomy | Tel: (0223) 337548 x 37531
Madingley Road         | Fax: (0223) 337523
Cambridge, U.K.        |
CB3 0HA                | E-mail: amd@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk

Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,alt.current-events.somalia,alt.politics.org.un,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush
From: dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina)
Subject: Re: Tolls on the federal highways!
Reply-To: dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:23:18 GMT

In article <77517@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>In <1992Dec13.215058.11960@news.columbia.edu> dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina) writes:
>
>|I haven't come up with a reasonable solution to the roads issue, but
>|as regards local phone and cable TV: the governing body (usually the
>|city government) reviews the offers of the different companies
>|offering service and picks that which is suitable (determined by
>|price, personnel, offers, etc.)  If the company doesn't work out, then
>|ditch them and pick up a new one.  You'll see that even now there are
>|several cable companies which vie for different markets.  The
>|incentive is built-in--if the people complain to their gov't., the
>|looters will be booted.
>
>Fat chance.
>
>But how do the votes of a few gripers stack up against the megabucks
>that the cable companies contribute to your local representatives.
>
>How many people base their vote on how they feel about the cable company.
>
>The only incentive here is for both the cable company and the representatives
>to get rich off of the cable consumer.


It depends on how important good cable service is to the consumer.
How did we get the cable bill?  And, if good service is of high
importance to the citizens of a community, then they'll push for it.
I've seen local races run of far more obtuse issues.  Also, if the
cable service becomes truly atrocious, people will cancel.  Why would
one pay outrageous monthly fees for poor service?  You can get free
broadcast channels, so unless you're a cable junkie, I'd be willing to
bet that cancellations would occur.  There are, of course, areas in
which broadcast is incredibly weak, and so perforce there is cable.
My guess would be that this situation is not the norm; anyone have more info?





David
dnm9@columbia.edu
Newsgroups: alt.president.clinton,alt.politics.clinton