From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)
Subject: Re: Steve vs. Patrick
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:05:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.211442.10398@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>In article <Bv6wHK.FnG@rice.edu> patrick@is.rice.edu (Redneckus) writes:
>>In article <vyfzky@rpi.edu> cookc@aix.rpi.edu (Rockbitus) writes:

>>>Why do people continue to think that it's ANY OF THEIR DAMN BUSINESS
>>>whether Patrick apologizes to ChaHallney or not?

>GOOD.

>Then why don't I just refer to you, Rockbitus, as one of the militant
>bra-burning feminazi's I probably saw turned homeless when one of your
>burning bras caught fire on your curtain and consumed your environmentally
>correct, flower-mural-painted house, and never apologize for it?

You just did, Steve. Using the preface "why don't I" does not make you 
innocent of the statement that follows.  That's a cheap semantic cop-out -- 
something you use repeatedly.  I also see Rush Limbaugh is teaching you 
new words like "feminazi" -- I'm not surprised you would pick up on that 
word.

>YOU OWE AN APOLOGY TO THE PERSON YOU CALLED FAT BLACK ASS, YOU PIECE OF
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  (should actually be "whose ass you called black and fat")
>REDNECK NEO-NAZI SHIT, PATRICKKK.

Neo-nazi???
KKK???

How can you hope to have any credibility asking someone to apologize 
for his stereotypical remark while at the same time throwing stereotypical 
remarks right back at that person?  

I mean, if you want us to agree with you that you have been wronged, wouldn't 
it be in your own interest NOT to indulge in the same type of behavior 
that you are trying to rally us against?  Your actions don't make sense.
I believe you were wronged, but your actions since this incident have 
been steadily eroding any sympathy I had for you.

If you were offended by his remark, then clearly you can see that your 
own remark is offensive.  Patrick has apologized to everyone else here 
about the offensiveness of his statement to you.  Are you "MAN ENOUGH" 
to apologize to everyone else here for the offensiveness of the remark you 
just made? (You can leave out Patrick to keep the scales balanced.)

I neither condone Patrick's reference to the color of your skin 
(stereotyping) or your calling Patrick a redneck member of the KKK 
(stereotyping).  However, the fact that you have made your offensive 
(and false) remark roughly 20+ times while Patrick has made his offensive 
remark once, seems to suggest that you harbor far more hatred and bad 
intentions than does Patrick.  Patrick is not off the hook -- he simply 
looks a lot more decent when compared with you.  

[A new volley in the ongoing flame war between Steve and Patrick deleted]

>PatricKKK, you need help. You lie, deny that you lied, then add more lies.
>Then you can't own up to it to the person you lied on. AND THEN you make a
>racist remark, and you won't apologize to the person you made it to.

I've seen you constantly lie about one particular matter for the last 
six months.  I am sure that would demolish any record that Patrick *might* 
have.  Most of the "lies" you claim Patrick has made were misstatements 
which he quickly corrected.

[Chaney still addressing Patrick]
>Are you really a pro-lifer trying to hurt the pro-choice cause? 

No, that was you.  Remember?

>Someone is missing a bunch of their marbles there, and whoever it is, needs
>help.

Again I would argue that you are missing marbles.  How can you claim 
the high ground with regard to Patrick when you do over and over the same 
thing he did once (making a stereotypical statement)?  Do you even have 
an inkling of how to approach the high ground?  (Instead, you usually find 
the scummiest action in the newsgroup and then use that to justify your 
own behavior -- hardly a way of obtaining the high ground.)

One parting thought of irony, Steve.  Even though I found Patrick's 
original remark offensive, I strongly suspect that your hero,
Rush Limbaugh, would not be offended in the least by it.
If you want to talk about bigots, start with Rush.


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