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From: truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell)
Subject: Re: Trek 7000 vs Motiv (Namebrand vs Offbrand--good idea?)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Distribution: usa
Date: 12 Sep 92 05:01:57 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.marketplace

Thomas H. Kunich mentioned customer satisfaction and having a place to turn
to when something goes wrong. This has merit, especially for an enthusiast.
I regularly patronize two bike shops and value my relationship with the
owners, managers, and mechanics. (I could do without the sales droids in
the bigger of the two shops but... oh well... it's their job...).

If you are going to use the bike lightly it probably won't need much
maintenance so this may not be of much concern. Advice: if you do need some
maintenance on an el-cheapo bike, the mechanics will recieve you much more
enthusiastically if the bike is clean--especially the chain and gears. If
you don't clean them often, they may be filthy and take several rags and a
good half hour to brighten everything up.

If you are going to use an el-cheapo bike hard, even that's ok if you
strike up a relationship with the mechanics and make the effort to learn
the basics, what the various parts of the bike are called, etc. Also, if
you know your bike is filthy and you don't want to be bothered with it, ask
them what it would cost to have them clean the chain and other parts. Let
them know that you don't expect a miracle.

A final consideration on mass-market bike versus bike-store bike: All bikes
are shipped from the mfg broken down. At least SOME assembly is required
and definitely some adjustments to the gears and brakes. A bike shop will
assemble the bike with care and a good shop will make sure everything is
adjusted to you. I think you have to assemble the Price Club bike yourself.
Most bike shops will do the assembly for you for between $50 and $100 and,
while they may resent the fact that you bought it elsewhere, service
customer's money is just as good as purchaser's money.

For many of us on rec.bicycles.*, our bicycles are our main hobby. As such
we don't mind spending a little extra for high quality parts and service. I
recognize that this attitude differs from the VAST MAJORITY of bicyclists
who generally have more well-rounded lifestyles!  :-)  For example, when I
explained my recent travails adjusting my chain alignment to a more casual
bicyclist, they were astounded that I would put so much thought and effort
into such a seemingly insignificant task. I had to explain to them that I
LIKED tinkering with machinery and I DEPENDED on my bike to save my skin in
sketchy off-road situations and that it was my MAIN hobby and that, yes, I
WAS obsessed with it.  :-)

  --scott
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: viviana@igor.tamri.com (Vivian Aldridge)
Subject: Trek 7000 vs Motiv (Namebrand vs Offbrand--good idea?)
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 15:20:08 GMT


Hi,
A friend of a friend of mine told me that I could buy a
Motiv-Ground Pounder (available at the Price club) for
$300 versus $600 for a Trek 7000. He claims that the
Motiv uses the same parts as the Trek 7000 and all that
I am really paying for is the brand name.

Would anyone care to comment on the differences between
the two bikes?  I am also interested in the idea of
buying brand name bikes versus off brand bikes? Is this
a way to really save money?

Thanks!
Vivian

viviana@tamri.com
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From: dchoi@physics.berkeley.edu (David Choi)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace,ucb.wanted,ca.wanted
Subject: MTN Bike FOR SALE
Date: 11 Sep 1992 20:57:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Handbuilt Aluminium Frame
Originator: dchoi@physics.Berkeley.EDU

Handbuilt Aluminium Mountain Bike frame (19") by Wildcat.
Polished aluminium, top routed cables, Shimano Deore XT/Suntour XC/
Ritchey components, ~24.5 lbs.  

Price:  $700

Please call Scott @ (510) 843-1829.

Please do not respond to this account.
From: hos@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Mountain/Road Bikes For Sale
Keywords: Mountain Bikes
Date: 13 Sep 92 06:09:26 GMT
Reply-To: hos@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ()
Distribution: tx
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: hos@sleepy.cc.utexas.edu

Ventana Cone Peak 19" mountain bike with Rebound front suspension/XT/IRD/Campy/titanium parts for sale. Asking $2100.  Scapin 56cm road bike w/campy athena and mavic rims/cromor tubing also for sale. $700.Both are in excellent condition and almost brand new.  Call Ho at (512)3717634 for info or email.





Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Subject: Re: Opinions-Performance Durango MTB Shoes
Keywords: Shoes, MTB, Performance
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 18:20:03 GMT

I use the Durango's with SPD pedals.  They work pretty well.  The soles
aren't super stiff and aren't curved (like the European SPD shoes).  This
means they are very comfortable for walking, but not the most efficient when
riding.  You notice the difference mostly when sprinting or climbing out of
the saddle.

These shoes are fairly heavy, but have a thick lugged out sole for good
traction in mud.  The Specialized SPD shoe, on the other hand, is somewhat
lighter, but has minimal tread.

As with all bike shoes, fit is critical, so make sure you try them on first.
If you don't have a Performance store in your area, I'd recommend sticking
with the brands that your local store carries.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
From: pstatcw@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher J. Whaley)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Pricing information wanted on a Peugeot 501 bike
Date: 15 Sep 92 04:38:29 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I am considering the purchase of a used Peugeot 501.  As one 
biking enthusiast I showed it to said "It doesn't have any
extraordinary parts on it".  I believe that all of the parts
are original.  Any estimates on the going price from those 
who own one or purchased one in the past?

Thanks


-- 
Christopher J. Whaley                       ******** Ph.D. or Bust ********
School of Psychology  -- Georgia Tech   
Internet: gt3006a@prism.gatech.edu           "Psychology at Georgia Tech?" 
Bitnet:   pstatcw@gitvm1                 "Yes, we do have a graduate program!"
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Dream Bike #2: S-works steel
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:13:29 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article 19609@colorado.edu, apuzzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Tony Apuzzo) writes:

>The 11-24 cassette is a
>bit too tall for my tastes, i'd prefer a 12-28.  The rims are still
>true (Wheelsmith spokes ya know.)
>Microdrive shifts well most of the time, it doesn't like big-front
>big-rear shifts at all (never use those 3-4 gears anyway of course)
>

In article JKw@acsu.buffalo.edu, camlau@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (**bj**) writes:
>
>I also agree that the 11-24 cassette is a bit
>tall.  I'd prefer an eight speed hybrid cassette made from the
>two outer cogs of the microdrive and the inner big cogs from a 
>standard suntour powerflo xc-pro cassette to give 11-28.
>
>**bj**

I don't understand, a 32-24 as found in u-drive is about the same
as a 36-28 often found on non u-drive bikes. Similarly with a 20-24
versus a 26-24. That's the whole point of u-drive.

Michael Wong
msw10@amdahl.com
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From: dchoi@physics.berkeley.edu (David Choi)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace,ucb.wanted,ca.wanted
Subject: FOR SALE:  Bicycle Parts & Accessories
Date: 9 Sep 1992 19:27:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu
Originator: dchoi@physics.Berkeley.EDU

MTB Parts

Stem		1-1/8" diameter, ~90mm extension, ~115 deg rise		$5
200 GS		Canti's, levers, all hardware, housing, cables		$10
English BB	Treaded axle w/ nuts					$5
Saddle		Vetta GEL (ATB)						$10
Seatpost	26.0mm diameter, steel (free w/ saddle)			FREE


Accessories

Helmet		Mirage Pro-tec, Size Med, blue, red, white		$15
Rear Rack	Blackburn MTN (fits 18" frame) w/ BLK BLKBN strap	$30
Rack Trunk	Nashbar Rack Trunk, BLK					$25
Panniers	Nashbar Townies, BLK					$35
Tires		Specalized Ground Control 26-1.95" NEVER Used (pair)	$25


If interested, email to:

dchoi@physics.berkeley.edu


Newsgroups: su.market,rec.bicycles.marketplace,su.cycling.org
From: shannons@leland.Stanford.EDU (Shannon Bishop Snyder)
Subject: Wanted:  19" or 20" Mountain Bike Frame
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 04:21:21 GMT

I'd like to buy a 19" or 20" mountain bike frame.

Do not respond to this account.
Call Brett Snyder at 497-0313.
From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Taya "No Chain Tool Required" Chain
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:38:42 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

Time for me to offer a retraction.  I wrote:

pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel) writes:
>[Not only do you have to replace the Taya chain master link every time
> you use it, but they brag about how you don't need a special pin!]

Wrong.  I saw one of the ads again and I was getting confused with a
different chain ad.  Taya never mentions the constant need to replace
the master link, but they also don't mention the special pins needed
for Shimano chains.

Of course I still don't want a chain that fragile.

	;-D oN   ( Thank you!  May I have another, please? )  Pardo
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: unpalomb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Nicholas Palombo)
Subject: Trek 5200 56cm Frameset
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:12:54 GMT

I have a Trek 5200 Frameset for sale. It is 56cm. It includes a bottom
bracket and headset. It comes with the standard OCV Carbon Fiber bladed
fork. It is in the Lunar Blue color.

It is brand new and completely unused. I aquired it for a friend who does 
not have the money now and I need to sell it.

Asking $700 or best offer. Feel free to make ANY offer.

Nick Palombo
unpalomb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
From: MRS110@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: mtn bike for sale central PA
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:00:51 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

For Sale:            in  central pennsylvania
Fisher mountain bike, 20", used but in great shape, I've raced it and now I hav
e a new bike, so it's my commuter.  $350.  Its a hookooeekoo (what?!) frame-I d
on't know how to spell that, obviously. deore above bar shifters, 18 speed, non
 hyperglide, has a 105 road rear derailleur and headset. BUY IT BUY IT BUY IT!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: rah@flamingo.Stanford.EDU (Bob Holmberg)
Subject: Re: Cateye Halogen Headlamp and NiCads?
Organization: Robotics Department, Stanford University, Ca. USA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 23:13:08 GMT

I've been using AA Ni-Cads with my Cateye -- I made some light weight
"adaptor sleeves" (Plastic cylinders with a hole drilled in them) to 
hold the batterries in place.  This was good for only about 30 min. 
of light so I bought a used generator (6V 3W) for a dollar, a rectifier
chip from Radio Shack, and a capacitor.  I wired the generator to the 
rectifier, then took the DC output to the lamp.  The capacitor goes
across the lamp (electrically speaking) to smooth out the voltage.
Both the rectifier and capacitor fit inside the Cateye behind the
reflector.  I mount the generator on my fork and mount the Cateye
on a reflector mount from the front brake bolt. I can easily reach
both while I'm riding to turn them on or off.  Only one short piece
of wire too.

When I ride fast, the batterries get recharged.
When I slow down and or stop the light stays fully on.
I know the setup is not optimized, and we're still only talking about
a Cateye; but it works great for all my late night commuting as a 
grad. student.
-- 

					Bob

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: jclee@athena.mit.edu (Yogurt brains)
Subject: Opinions-Performance Durango MTB Shoes
Keywords: Shoes, MTB, Performance 
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 15:49:16 GMT

I've been suffering from sore feet, and I figure that nice stiffer
biking shoes might help.  I'm looking at the Durango shoes from 
Performance, costing $50.  Seems to be pretty good, and most MTB shoes
cost something like $75.  The Durango isn't SPD compatible, but that's
fine since I ride with clips only.

Opinions on this shoe or recommendations for other shoes would be greatly
appreciated.  I don't want to spend much, and I want something that
can be used off the bike as well.  Thanks a lot!

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From: deb1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DERRICK ERNEST BOUCHER)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Scothlite(tm) Question
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:06:01 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hello all,

        I was wondering if anyone on the net knows of a way to obtain
Scotchlite (tm) in bulk quantities.( i.e. "by the yard") We've all got
bits and pieces of this reflective fabric on seatpacks, shoes, panniers,
etc. and it's a great help for nightime visibility. But I'd like to sew
large patches of the stuff on some of my outerwear, packs etc. I figure
one or two square yards of the stuff ought to be plenty. If anyone knows
how I could get my hands on such a quantity, E-mail or post the info.

                                                Thanks
                                                Derrick

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.backcountry
From: martin@morticia.princeton.edu (Carlos Martin)
Subject: Re: Opinions: sleeping bags from Performance?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:23:27 GMT

sherrill@ruhroh.viewlogic.com (Sherrill St. Germain) writes:
>
>I'm looking for a 3-season (20 degrees) sleeping bag of fairly good
>quality.  It must be made of a synthetic material since I am allergic
>to down.  It would be nice if it stuffs well, and isn't too heavy or 
>too expensive.
>
>Can anyone comment on the sleeping bags offered in the Performance
>catalog in comparison to, say, EMS bags?

Performance is a bicycling catalog, and hence,
offers a very limited selection of sleeping bags.

I would suggest getting a mail-order catalog from Campmor,
a camping supply store in Paramus, NJ (I believe they
have a toll-free number; if not call directory assistance
in the 201 area code).  They have a large selection
of synthetic and down sleeping bags, and their prices
are better than EMS's.  Additionally, their catalog
lists weight and stuffed size of each model.


-- 
Carlos Martin     martin@morticia.Princeton.edu      smileys : collect the
                  martin@icecream.Princeton.edu                entire set
      :-)  :)  =)  ;-)  ;^)  8-)  8^)  8->  B-)  B^) (8*}>  %*)  :-))  =(:-)) 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Brake pad advice sought	
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 06:07:17 GMT


and i'm going to insult your intelligence by asking
whether the wheels are clean.  if you've got even a drop of
oil on the rims the brakes are going to suck. 
of course, i'm sure you've already checked this... Exage 400 brakes
are not exactly the best brakes money can buy.
-teddy
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Subject: Brake pad advice sought	
Reply-To: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 19:22:10 GMT

Keywords: 

I am looking for advice on a braking problem, specifically 
replacement brake pads.  My girlfriend recently "inherited"
my Marin Bear Valley (mtb) when I upgraded to a Rocky Mountain.
It is equipped with Shimano 400LX equipment with "4-finger" 
brake levers.

  The front brake pads had to be replaced after a
long muddy downhill at Lake Placid.  The front pads were replaced
wth "Aztecs" which performed o.k. for about a month.  I 
then switched them back to the original Shimano pads when their
performance started to deteriorate after about 1/3 wear.

The rear pads are Eagle Claws - Cool Stops and are almost brand
new.  Their braking performance is *really* poor.

All of this poor performance manifested itself during a ride this
past weekend at Jay Peak, Vt, where she could just barely bring 
the bike to a safe stop because the pads were not grabbing 
(the Eagle claws in the back causing the problem).

Question:  Are the OEM Shimano pads the best pads to use (I had
           no problems with them on the Rocky Mountain and they 
           provided adequate braking for the front brakes?

           Is there something about the other pads and/or the brake
           setup that can be done to improve the performance?

           
Thanks...Stuart
From: rgo@druhi.att.com (Ron Olsen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Mt Bike Action & other journals
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:24:26 GMT
Reply-To: r.g.olsen@att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Denver CO

Phil Etheridge writes:

> I'm thinking of subscribing to Mt Bike Action, but before doing so, would
> be interested in discussion of the merits or otherwise of the competing
> publications. I read a post recently saying the Mountain Biking (ex Mt &
> City Biking) has improved.  I used to subscribe to Bicycling Plus
> Mountainbike but wasn't interested in all the road-oriented stuff or the
> lack of critical attention new products recieved.  Any other thoughts?

I subscribe to Mountain Bike Action, Mountain Biking,
Bicycling Plus Mountain Bike, and Bicycle Guide.

Mountain Bike Action (MBA) gets my vote as the top mountain bike magazine.
The reviews are very honest; they'll rip a bad bike, even if it's
an advertiser.  They have the most and best ads for mail-order
outfits; most of my MTB component purchases have been made
based on the ads in MBA.  They are very opinionated,
and let you know exactly where they stand; e.g. they
call hybrid bikes "dud-purpose"; lousy on or off the road.

Mountain Biking doesn't carry any mail-order ads.
They also have a special promotion going with SunTour
(buy a SunTour-equipped bike, get a free subscription to
Mountain Biking).  This leads me to question their objectivity
regarding SunTour.
One of my favorite editors, John Olsen (no relation), is no
longer with them.  They have spiffed up their layout in recent
months, and do have good reviews of bikes and new products,
but their criticisms are a little more subtle than those in MBA.
They also have lots of coverage of pro MTB racing.

All in all, I prefer MBA - it's more interesting and more useful to me.

	Ron Olsen
	Boulder, Colorado
	r.g.olsen@att.com
From: michaelp@calvin.usc.edu (Michael Peterson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Shamino Gears
Date: 8 Sep 1992 20:02:02 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: calvin.usc.edu


	I've been looking at bikes recently and was wondering just how much
difference there is between the LX, DX, and XT gearing systems.  I realize that
I've listed them in order from good to better, but excatly how much better is one
over the other?

	Thanks for the help.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Trek 7000 vs Motiv (Namebrand vs Offbrand--good idea?)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:14:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep9.215728.29459@midway.uchicago.edu> disc@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>While Trek is, in my opinion, overpriced, it is undoubtedly a better bike
>than the "Price Club" offbrand.  One should not only consider componentry, 
>but the quality of a frame/fork.  Even if the tubing is the same, if the 
>geometry is better or the quality of the machining and welding is better on
>one bike than another, it may very well be worth even $300 or more.

The Motiv, or at least the one's I've seen are not the absolute garbage
that Huffy and Murray sell. Neither are they good bicycles and they are 
missing a very important ingredient to customer satisfaction -- a shop
that will properly service and maintain the bicycle after it's sale.


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: UCPL081@UNLVM.UNL.EDU
Subject: American Classic Rollers 4-SALE
Organization: University of Nebraska
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 21:09:43 CST

I have a set of American Classic rollers (black frame with 6 red sealed bearing
rollers) for sale.  I have had these things sitting down in the basement for al
most 3 years and I think I've only ridden them three times.  gosh I'm lazy!
Anyway, they're in perfect shape and give one hell of a workout...(perfect for
that winter interval training).  I'm asking $150, or give me an offer. Please
e-mail all responses if you can.   Thanks
 
Conrado 'Campagnolo' Castaneda
University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Subject: Re: Marin MB info wanted
Reply-To: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:15:52 GMT

I purchased a Marin Bear Valley this spring and have been 
very pleased with it.  If I remember correcly, the Pine Mountain
"ranks" about third in the level of bikes according to the 
Marin brochure (preceeded by the Team Ti and Team Issue).
It has a very compliant ride and excellent geometry (for me).
The majority of my riding is done a local ski area on single 
track.  The only thing I find with the Marin's is that all 
of the Cr-moly framed bikes look the same with (IMHO) a passe
paint scheme of flourescent handlebars and forks. 

Cheers...Stuart
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: shiba@riffnique.csd.sgi.com (Richard Shiba)
Subject: Re: MTB Bar Ends vs Scott Bars
Keywords: both work well
Organization:  Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:55:53 GMT

>Mark Erickson writes:
>> Scott MTB handlebars (the ones with the integral bar ends, like
>> the AT-3) appear to be much lighter than the combined weight
>> of regular bars and bar ends.  
>> 
>> Anybody have a good reason to go with regular bars/ends rather than
>> the Scotts?

>The straight bar with bar-end gives you a slightly wider base hand
>position than the AT2-LF; but the AT2-LF gives you more hand positions
>around the curved part of the bar.

	the only disadvantage i can possibly think of is if
	you crash and bend an AT2, you end up replacing the
	whole she-bang rather than just buying a new bar and
	using the same bar ends.  Guess it all depends on how
	expensive your regular bar is.  If it's a Ti bar, well
	you know...

		-rich