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From: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: GERMAN CLASS
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:32:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 

RDC>Newsgroups: talk.bizarre,soc.culture.german,rec.humor
RDC>Followup-To: talk.bizarre,soc.culture.german,misc.test,rec.humor

newsgroup talk bizarre ?!?

RDC>My girlfriend just told me that she took German in college to meet her
RDC>humanities requirement.  You'd think that German was the one subject
RDC>that wouldn't fulfill the humanities requirement.

Very funny indeed. Why would German not fulfill this requirement?
At least, your girlfriend is supposed to get educated in another
language than American. That makes her belong to the 0.002% of the
Americans, who have heard of another language. Seldom met such an
ignorance about foreign languages as in this country.

RDC>Roger David Carasso,
RDC>Celebrity

Nichts fuer ungut, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?
                                                                                                      
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 20 Aug 1992 00:44:10 CDT
From: Irene Marquez <U37533@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Distribution: soc
 <16847945E.NETOPRBL@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu> <1992Aug19.114826.314@cs.tu-berlin.de>

In article <1992Aug19.114826.314@cs.tu-berlin.de>, wolfi@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de
(Wolfgang Schwanke) says:
>
>NETOPRBL@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu (Christopher Lane) writes:
>
>>Hmmmm the English speak english, Americans speak american.
>>Only an extremely narrow viewed bigot would see his language as being
>>'english' that generic term Americans have for their universal language
>>that all the world must speak.
>
>Hmm, I for one speak _English_, and you understand the things I type? :)
>What's wrong with seeing American as a dialect of English. I think it is.

   Hey Wolfi.  =)

   Though i think your arguement is a valid one, i find it difficult
   to view american as a dialect of english.  I don't understand when
   Some brits speak english, and I wonder how much of what i say,
   they understand, though I can read most of what they write,
   some words and expressions, throw me.

   so i have 2 questions:
   1. Is this similar to Flemish being considered a dialect of Dutch?

   2. Why are we even talking about this on soc.culture.german?  =)

too tired to know what i'm writing.....

greetings... irene
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf)
Subject: Re: shopping hours
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 20:43:14 GMT

In article <92229.201245U37533@uicvm.uic.edu>, U37533@uicvm.uic.edu (Irene Marquez) writes:
> In article <n7ffssp@Unify.Com>, veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf) says:
> >
>     [ stuff deleted ]
> 
> >The reason is that shopping hours in Germany are regulated by law.
> >In general, shops aren't allowed to be opened later than
> >6:30pm Monday-Wednesday, Friday
> >8:30pm Thursday
> >2:00pm Saturdays, except of the first Saturday in a month
> >4:00pm on the first Saturday of a month during daylight savings time
> >6:00pm on the first Saturday of a month during normal time
> 
>    Oh my goodness!  I don't think I could survive in Germany.
>    Well, perhaps i exaggerate, but it would take a lot of time
>    coordination on my behalf to get shopping done!
>    thank heaven for 24 hr grocery stores!

Not only coordination, but also planning.  You're supposed to know 
Thursday night what you're going to do over the weekend, because you
have to go shopping for it on Friday and Saturday morning.  And what,
if some unexpected guests drop by on Sunday morning?  Sorry, you lost -
or let's say, the owner of the local restaurant at the next corner 
might become your best friend, if this happens frequently...

Veit

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From: gregn@milton.u.washington.edu (Gregor Nitsche)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: shopping hours
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:03:08 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Aug18.164631.25575@news.th-darmstadt.de> schrod@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Joachim Schrod) writes:
>[no follow-up, since I didn't find an adequate posting to answer too :-)]
>
>Just returning from a 6 week trip through the US... speaking of
>shopping hours:
>
>I know that I prefer to live in a country,
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> -- where I have no problems finding a pub which is open after 11pm,
> -- where I can have a coffee (btw, a good one, like the Starbuck coffees
>    in Portland (OR) or Seattle!) at this time and sit down for a while,
> -- where I must not hurry to go into a restaurant after 9pm (if I
>    will be served than anyhow, very often not), or after 10pm, if
>    that matters. (Please note, I speak of restaurants -- not of
>    junk/fast-food stations.)
> -- where I'm not thrown out after my dinner but can sit down with my
>    friends on another bottle of wine for a talk,
>
Well, in my experience that's a matter of cities rather than countries. 
After living in Freiburg for four years and in Seattle for one year, I 
can assure you that there are cities in Germany where you will have these 
problems, and that there are cities in the US where you won't.
>--
>Joachim
>

Gregor
From: alti@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Thorsten Altenkirch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: GERMAN CLASS
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:58:11 GMT
Organization: LFCS, Edinburgh
In-reply-to: rdc@netcom.com's message of 14 Aug 92 17:14:31 GMT

In article <_y6m_na.rdc@netcom.com> rdc@netcom.com (Roger David Carasso) writes:

   The reason for knowing anything is based on need.  I argue that
   america is so big that there is seldom a need to deal with foreign
   countries.  European countries are the size of USA states, of which we
   have 50.  Saying you know about germany is the same as saying you know
   california, except we have better looking women and our grandfathers
   weren't fascists.

However, by reading your mail I get the impression that there are
enough idiots in the US.

If you are so happy with everything in the US why do you bother to
post this junk to soc.culture.german ? Supposingly you get sexually
aroused by offending people. Get a fuck - that's better !

T.
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LFCS, Edinburgh
Scotland
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: immi@trigon.in-berlin.de (Immanuel Bloch)
Subject: Zu NS Diskurs - Zeitschrift "Recht und Wahrheit"
Organization: trigon Schluechtern/Germany
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:33:01 GMT

Heute habe ich zufaellig die Zeitschrift "Recht und Wahrheit" (von wegen
Recht und Wahrheit, aber dazu spaeter mehr) von der "Deutschen Freiheits-
bewegung" e.V. (?????) in die Hand bekommen und war entsetzt ueber die
Verdrehung und Verfaelschung von historischen Tatsachen in der Zeit von
1933-1945 und dem auslaenderfeindlichen, rassistischem Unterton dieser
Zeitschrift, die anscheinend (wie aus der Zeitschrift an mehreren Stellen 
erkennbar) der Deutsch-Nationalen Partei, der Deutschen Alternative und der
Nationalen Liste nahe zu stehen scheint, bzw. von diesen "Parteien" (:-(((
gefoerdert wird. Ich moechte nun nicht den Inhalt dieser Zeitschrift
wiedergeben, die von einem Herrn Bosse herausgegeben wird (zu den zahlreichen
Autoren, zaehlen auch u.a. David Buchanan und David Irving)), sondern
wollte mich viel mehr erkundigen, was man gegen solche Pamphlete unternehmen
kann, um das Erscheinen zu verhindern oder zumindest zu behindern. Vielleicht
weiss auch jemand von Euch naeheres ueber dies "tollen" Verein (darf sich so
was ueberhaupt Verein nennen ????). Angesichsts der stark angestiegenen 
Zahlen rechtsradikaler Gruppierungen in der Bundesrepublik, halte ich es
wirklich an der Zeit etwas zu unternehmen. Vielleicht kann mir jemand von
Euch weiterhelfen.


Immanuel Bloch
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Germany           | FAX : 06661-3886                | you never know when you
                  |                                 | have finished
From: space@ncc1701.stgt.sub.org (Lars Soltau)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: shopping hours
Date: 22 Aug 92 16:10:13 GMT
	<1992Aug20.173129.14783@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Aug21.124952.8301@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>
Organization: United Federation of Planets

>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:49:52 GMT, fg@spcklr.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Frank Grieger) said:

> Worry, dont be happy!

> Shopping in Germany is an adventure! Make shure you have enough 
> provisions to survive the weekend! Every shop is closed from
> satturday 14:30 to monday morning.

Hey, don't paint such a bleak picture. You'll always be able to buy food at
gas stations, they carry all the important nutrition groups: Coke, Crisps
(Chips for you Americans) and Chocolate Bars. Easily enough to get you over
the weekend.

:-)
-- 
Lars Soltau	bang: <insert ridiculously long path>	    BIX: -- no bucks --
		smart: space@ncc1701.stgt.sub.org

     Germany, Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen, where dreams come true: Heaven is 911!
From: U37533@uicvm.uic.edu (Irene Marquez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: I LOVE to go to GERMANY
Date: 20 Aug 92 05:58:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92233.005800U37533
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago



I'm afraid I may have been a bit misleading in my previous posting.

I've heard that foreigners aren't welcomed sometimes in Germany,
but I'm really afraid something happening to me.  I'm looking
forward to my trip and being a little uncomfortable with
new surroundings.  It will be interesting.  =)  It kinda gets
my blood going.  =)

As far as my personal safety is concerned, I'm not very worried.
Actually, i'm not worried at all.  Being raised in a
city like chicago has a way of sharpening one's street smarts.
I don't have much to base this on, but I don't think any place
in germany could ever be as bad as the south side chicago, where
I'm from.  Don't worry, I'll be on my best behavior whem i'm there.

Thanks to those who posted with a concern on my behalf.

Greetings!  =)         irene
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: apwhite@unix1.tcd.ie (Andrew White)
Subject: Re: shopping hours
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:34:43 GMT

In <1992Aug21.141002.21821@sinix.UUCP> maxb@sinix.UUCP (Max Bruning) writes:

>Yes, its amazing.  You can buy gasoline and beer at any time of the day
>or night at a gas station, but if you need to get milk for your children
>or you forgot to buy catfood, and its not at the "right" time,
>you're shit out of luck.

You betcha, in my first week here (I am posting from Germany) I ran out of milk on
a Friday night, not knowing about early closing on a Saturday, I casually sauntered down to my local supermarket at 3 o Clock and found it shut. So I
was stuck till Monday morning, granted I could have soaked my cornflakes in beer from the local gas station, but it didn't really suit my tastes.

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From: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: divorce in Germany
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:12:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 

SAH>Too bad prostitution is illegal here (except Nevada).
SAH>I wunder what the divorce rate would be if it were legal?
SAH>What is the divorce rate in Germany?

Lower than in the US :-)
Which brings us to the important role of prostitutes in the society.
Although it's illegal, I'm 120% sure you find prostitution everywhere in
the US. Even in the oh so rigid GDR, there was a flourishing business.



greetinx, Carl

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Mer lasse den Dom in Koelle...
From: jsod@athena.mit.edu (Jordi Sod)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Castle Wolfenstein
Date: 21 Aug 92 05:18:36 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug20.200300.21526@meaddata.com> kai@meaddata.com (Kai Rudloff) writes:
>
>In article <oli.714302263@ernie>, oli@math.rwth-aachen.de (Oliver Bonten) writes:
>|> carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca)  writes:
>|> 
>|> >Hat irgendjemand in D. schon etwas von dem Computerspiel "Castle
>|> >Wolfenstein" von Apogee gehoert? In den US ist es sehr populaer.
>|> 
>|> Ich habe immer gedacht, das sei von einer Neonazi-Organisation gemacht
>|> worden und sei PD oder Shareware. Das Spiel gibt es in Deutschland
>
>Ich habe das Spiel einmal auf meinem Apple gehabt, aber es war 
>Anti-Nazi. Das Ziel war Hitler mit einem aktentascheversteckte
>Bombe zu to"ten.

[Enschululdigen sie! Mein Deutsch is sehr schlecht, und ich kann die
Spiele auf Deutsch nicht beschreiben... Naechstes Semester werde ich
mehr Deutsch lernen. Veilleicht nach Dezember werde ich auf Deutsch
schreiben.]

 That's Castle Wolfenstein II, a major depressor of my grades during
junior high... ;) The original Castle Wolfenstein was about
infiltrating a castle (guess it's name), and steal the plans for an
'Operation Rheingold'.  Both games are simple anti-Nazi games, but
nothing I would call anti-german.  There were a couple of small
objects you could find: schnapps, Eva Braun's diaries, artwork, etc.
VEry mild again.They were fun.  In Castle Wolfenstein II, the guards
even asked you stuff in German!  

I'm curious: what kind of Neonazi game was the version you're talking about?

> 
>-- 
>Kai Rudloff Delivery Application Engineering 
>kai@meaddata.com Mead Data Central
>...!uunet!meaddata!kai Dayton, Ohio

Jordi Sod
From: dave@TIS.COM ("David I. Dalva")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: German Translation Needed
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:24:32 GMT
Reply-To: dave@TIS.COM
Followup-To: soc.culture.german
Organization: Trusted Information Systems

I would like to thank the readers from all over the world who have graciously
responded to my Dachau translation query.  Here it is:

----------------------------------------------------------------------
 KREMATORIUM                         Crematorium
 DENKET DARAN WIE WIR HIER STARBEN   Think of How We Died Here
----------------------------------------------------------------------
 MAHNMAL ZUM GEDENKEN                Memorial for the remembrance
 AN DIE JUDISCHEN MARTYRER.          of the Jewish martyrs
 DIE IN DEN JAHREN 1933-1945         who in the years 1933-1945
 NATIONALSOZIALISTISCHER             [of the] National-Socialist (Nazi)
 SCHRECKENSHERRSCHAFT                rule of terror
 UMGEKOMMEN SIND.                    perished [here].
 IHR TOD BEDEUTET UNS                Their death is for us a
 MAHNUNG UND VERPFLICHTUNG.          reminder and obligation.
 ERRICHTET VOM LANDESVERBAND         Erected by the National Union
 DER ISRAELITISCHEN KULTUS =         of the Israeli Cultural
 GEMEINDEN IN BAYERN IM JAHRE        Association of Bavaria in the year
          1967                                   1967
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Hope me helped
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:35:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Carl Camurca) 

ZH>I am a chinese living in Helsinki Finland, I am planning to visit
ZH>a germany ssmall city called MARTINSRIED, It's post-code is 8033,
ZH>but I don't know anything about it.
ZH>If you happen to see this message and know that town, Could you tell
ZH>me where it is?  which big city it close to? and any other
ZH>infomations will be appreciated.

It's a small town in Bavaria. Munich is the closest place that comes
closest to city :)

greetinx, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Berlin ist eine Reise wert - 24 Stunden geoeffnet
From: pavlik@apap4.pap.univie.ac.at
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Lebzelterei
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:00:43 GMT
Organization: Vienna University Computer Center

In article <psima01.713621300@convex>, psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack) writes:
> Frage an die Oesterreicher unter und in uns:
> 
> was ist eine Lebzelterei? (gesehen beim Oesterreich-Urlaub).
> 
> Michael
> 
Ein Betrieb, der Lebkuchen herstellt und vrkauft.

                 Andreas Pavlik
                 Universitaet Wien
From: KGODDEN@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: IGNORE rdc@netcom.com
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:46:06 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

Please, people...
this fool rdc@netcom.com
will not go away until you start ignoring him.  He's baiting you.  Just
resist the urge to send ANY kind of reply to/about him.
I even hate to make this post for the same reason, but this is the last
you'll see me posting about this fool.
-Kurt
-------------------
"I distrust a research person who is always obviously busy on a task."
-Robert A. Frosch, VP, GM Research


Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: harlow@chinet.chi.il.us (Steven A Harlow)
Subject: Re: I HATE those who hate.
Keywords: maionaise, radial tires
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 04:48:19 GMT

 |From: rdc@netcom.com (Roger David Carasso)
 |Date: 13 Aug 92 23:24:59 GMT
 |
 |1992: THE NAZI FASCIST PARTIES ARE GROWING IN GERMANY AND ITALY
 |1988: 1/3 OF ALL AUSTRIANS QUESTIONS WOULD NOT SHAKE HANDS WITH A JEW.
 |
 |Germany, Italy, Austria, Latvia, and Croatia, are so full of fucking
 |bastards, and rascists
So basically you hate certain ethinic groups because (you think) they
hate certain ethnic groups.

I see.

So, to which morally pure ethnic group do you belong?

 |Wake up.  You haven't learned anything but denial.
Selber.

---
Steve Harlow, Spinneheim, Glen Ellyn, IL, USA
 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: alan@dragon.acadiau.ca (Alan W. McKay)
Subject: Re: shopping hours
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:38:39 GMT

veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf) writes:
>> My girlfriend works at a coffee shop in Germany and makes DM 50 for 3
>> hours work.  My friend works at one here in Canada and makes $5 an
>> hour.  How much does someone make at Dunkin' Donuts in the US?  Looks
>> like the Canadian system is modelled after the American one,
>> unfortunately for us (Canadians).
>> 

>You shouldn't forget that at least the American waiters normally get a
>15% tip, so they certainly make much more money from the tips than from
>the low base salary.  If you talk to people here, they claim that a
>good waiter can make more money than a doctor or a software engineer.
>No wonder that so many people with college degrees work as waiters.

How often do you leave a tip for the person at 7/11?  Or Duncan Donuts
for that matter?
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From: psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Lebzelterei
Keywords: wasndas
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:08:20 GMT
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG

Frage an die Oesterreicher unter und in uns:

was ist eine Lebzelterei? (gesehen beim Oesterreich-Urlaub).

Michael
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: regeorge@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E George)
Subject: Re: Native Americans
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:45:48 GMT


Edwin Hoyt makes an interesting point in one of his books ("America's
Wars", I believe): the early European settlers and the Native Americans
came from two cultures probably as different as any that have ever existed.
When land was "sold" by the Native Americans to the Europeans, the latter
honestly believed that they had paid for permanent, exclusive control of
the land; and the former equally honestly believed that they had been paid
only for temporary shared use of, or movement through, or hunting in, the land.
Bridging the communications gap would not have been possible, because the
Native Americans had no concept of "permanent, exclusive control of the
land." (Of course, it can be argued that the Europeans paid "too little"
for the land; but that is a secondary issue. The Native Americans were
satisfied with the bargain they thought they had made, and the Europeans
were equally satisfied with the bargain they thought they had made.)
Naturally, when Native Americans continued to attempt to use the land
of which the Europeans thought they had permanent, exclusive control,
the latter felt encroached upon and, worse, betrayed. The colonist
had purchased land from the Native American, and then found the Native
American hunting on the land: what could he think? What would be next,
now that the Native American had shown himself capable of going back on
an agreed-to bargain? On the other hand, the Native American (who remember
had no concept of permanent control of land) feels encroached upon and,
worse, betrayed: the Europeans who previously just wanted to share the land
now want some strange, bizarre, foreign, incomprehensible form of absolute,
unilateral control over it. The tragedy may well be that it took the
Native Americans several generations to realize what the European concept
of land ownership actually was.

Probably the communication gap could never have been bridged in the 17th
century: the cultures were just mutually incomprehensible. The lesson of
the history of European-Native American relations seems to be the absolute
necessity of doing whatever it takes to make sure each party in a discussion
understands fully what every other party means.

Robert George
(speaking only for myself)
From: hinkel@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Caraso:"I do not understand German"
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:35:17 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Dein freundliches Eingestaendnis, wenn Du schreibst, dass Du von der deutschen
Sprache [bzw. Deutschland] kein Verstaendnis hast, leuchtet einem vieles ein,
Herr Carasso!   ["I DO NOT UNDERSTAND GERMAN", schriebst Du gestern.] 

"Wovon man nicht weiss, davon soll man schweigen", schreibt Wittgenstein,
glaube ich. Damit waerem viele Leser dieses schwarzen Brettes einverstanden,
vermute ich.

Dein Interesse aber weiss ich zu schaetzen!

Gruss.

Robert Hinkel
Department of English
Western Michigan University
Kalamazoo, Michigan 49004

hinkel@gw.wmich.edu