From: (Gerry Gryschuk)
Subject: Re: Cito Manages reasonable in Game #1
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 12:32:22 GMT

From article <Bvv69E.I0u@cs.dal.ca>, by niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma):
> In <7086@transfer.stratus.com> dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber) writes:
> 
>>Yeah, right.  Letting Morris start the 9th wasn't total idiocy.  Uh-huh.
>>Just out of curiousity, what is someone like Duane Ward *for* if not to
>>close down the other team?  Especially in a home game.
> 
>   Ok, then when would YOU have taken out Jack Morris. Prettty easy to say that
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> it's dumb AFTER Baines was rounding the bases. Especially after Morris had
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Not picking on you Gord, several people have made this statement, I just want
to know how many people sit at their terminals watching the game and comment
while its being played? I don't, but I wanted Ward/Eichorn to come in at
the start of the ninth BEFORE Morris gave up the homerun. If Morris had not
given up the homerun I would still feel the same.

> pitched 6 straight consecutive scoreless innings. Remember Tom Kelly in the
> 7th game of the World Series last year. Some idiot he was leaving Jack Morris
> in. 

1) At that time Morris had pitched a scoreless game. Kelly had less reason to
suspect he would give up a run then Cito since Morris had already given up 3.

2) Disregarding the Eck, one of the Jays advantages is their bullpen(IMO at
least) by not using it Cito is giving away this advantage. Considering that
the same pitchers are going to pitch again on three days rest it becomes
down right stupid not to use your bullpen that late in the game. Kelly didn't
have to worry about Morris pitching again until the year after.

>   So when would you have taken out Cone last night eh? After the fifth probably.
> Then you could have drained the entire bullpen and wasted a brilliant 
> performance by Cone. 

Actually I would have pulled him after the 8th(see the second sentence of
number 2 above for my reason). In the 5th he hadn't given up a run yet and he
was pitching very well. That both the runners were in scoring position was due
only to one bad pitch and Cone's normal delivery. In fact it wasn't even
because of the bad pitch, the runners would have been safe even without the
wild pitch. Thus there was no reason to suspect that Cone couldn't get himself
out of the jam.

That Cito didn't pull Cone until the ninth doesn't bother me that much except
again for the fact that Cone will pitch again on three days rest. It almost
seems to me that Cito is trying to let one of his starting pitchers get ALCS
MVP before they've won it. If this is the case its rather an arrogant attitude.

>   You're obviously the kind of guy who seems to think he's an expert AFTER the
> fact. I think it's one thing to question Cito's move, but without the outcome
> known and the given information it wasn't exactly a horrific move as you seem
> to state.

Well this isn't directed at me but just to reiterate, if people question the
move on the net after the fact this doesn't mean they weren't questioning it
at the beginning of the inning, its simply an artifact of when people are
posting.

> By the way what difference does it make whether it's a home game or not? 
>    
> 						Gord Niguma
> 						(fav player: John Olerud)
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That should be "Sweet Swinging" Johnny Olerud.

While I'm at it I have to say Candy Maldonado is a bum.(Don't bother flaming
or questioning this, its an inside joke known only to me and my mom.)
--
Gerald Gryschuk            Saskatoon,Saskatchewan = a place with 9 months
gerry@sask.usask.ca           of hockey and 3 months of poor skating.
Go Habs!!!