HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ksc3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kyu sok  Cho)
Subject: Jokbo
Summary: How reliable is it?
Keywords: family tree, last names
Reply-To: ksc3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kyu sok  Cho)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 06:29:42 GMT

While back someone sent me a mail saying that his Jokbo goes all the way
back to Kim Yu-Shin and beyond to KAYA period. (WOW!!!)
(Sorry Mr. Kim, I wanted to ask you this question first but I accidently
 lost your address)

How reliable are jokbos?
Would they be able to stand intact under a scrutiny of a trial lawyer,
or most likely, by an inquisitive historian/researcher?		 

I have heard that many of the people (i.e. not yang-ban class) did not even 
have last names until quiet recently (relatively speaking of course), and
that many of the jokbos were fabricated/copied/stolen etc. during the Choson
period.

Also, even if the jokbo itself is valid, it does not necessarily mean that 
the holder of a particular jokbo is the rightful owner. Isn't this right?

While I'm on this subject, my last name in chinese character is:

     |             I understand that while "cho" is rather common 
-----|----         name, this particular "cho" is not. (its very rare)
 ----|---          In fact, only korean figure of any importance by
 |---|--|          this last name that I know of is Cho, Man-sik.
 ----|---          (I think I have the name right. He was a leader
   -----            during the colonial period.)
   |---|           There is also everyone's favorite -:) character
   -----           Cho Cho (ts'ao ts'ao) of the chinese three kingdom period.
                   But his last name was not really "cho".
Anyway, I have recently found that one of my chinese friend has the same
last name as I do. (He tells me that this last name is also rare among chinese)

So, does this make us brothers, cousins, long lost relatives, or what?
I understand that if my grandfather was alive, he would have been over-joyed.

I would appreciate any thoughts, response, elaborations on this matter.

K. Cho
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 Calculations quite a few.         |   Wendnesdays, and Fridays, like particles
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From: yhk4007@hertz.njit.edu (Yong Hun Kim ece)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: stop childish cross-fire !
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:11:11 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


In article <6535 of soc.culture.korean> s5169180@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (S5169180)writes:

}I have looked through the chidish cross-fires between scott and others.
}It is getting more and more funny and childish. 
}
}I ask both to stop this kind of useless talk through this preciuos hightech
}network. Hangul can be one of the world best. Evenif anyone does not agree to
}that, it is ok. It is their freedom. But don't use insulting phrases or make 
}someone or something rediculous. If someone has revolting feeling against 
}Hangul
}from whatever the reason, That's ok too. We/you don't have to blame such a 
}thing. It will be judged and critisized by him/herself from his/her own 
}conscience - true nature.
}
}Let's Stop the childish cross-talk. And try to raise up our talk to more
}intellectual level.
}                                                         Thanks
}                                                           S. Lee

	I totally agree with you. Thanks.              
						Kim.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Subject: Re: clarification
Keywords: korea, a unique culture
Organization: Columbia University, Columbia University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:45:46 GMT

ksc3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Kyu sok  Cho) writes:
>
>The reason I posted previous article under the heading Representation of
>Korea in East Asian Studies was to enlighten, through this news group
>because I don't consider myself to qualified, a certain individual by the 
>name Harry Xu and others who are not familiar with Korea that:
>1. Korea is seriously underrepresented in our "Asian Civ" class
>2. Reason(s) why Korea is underrepresented
>3. Korea is not miniature China 
>   (as some chinese I know thinks, not necessarily Harry)
>4. Reasons why Korea is a UNIQUE culture (i.e. not a "Chinese culture area")

 Tnx.  Tnx.  (I'm Harry)

> I encourage every one of you, especially those of you who have sent me 
>e-mail, to inundate Harry with e-mail.
>His address is hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu.

  Tnx.  Tnx a ton.  I skipped reading .korea for quite a while; pissed by
  the obnoxious crossfires/junks.  So, I probably missed some goodies.
  I can also be reached at hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu.

>Sorry Harry, but I hope you get the message LOUD and CLEAR.

  No problem.  No need sri.

>A reminder: On March 25, 1992, Harry posted the following:
>>YES.--East Asia is basically a "Chinese culture area".
>K. CHO

  Well, I changed that and reposted the same article modified in a day or 2.
  I agree I need to step back a bit on making that assertion.

>P.S. Provide Harry with lot of facts and figures. (He's an engineer)

  PSE.  PSE.  I'll love to see them.  Please also give me the source too; so 
  that I can check on them.

====================================>.sig <====================================
  Harry Xu  (KB2LHA)	   Internet:  hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
 *Columbia University Amateur Radio Club (CUARC-<>-W2AEE)  *Founded, 1913*
 *The American Radio Relay League:  Amateur Radio >>---> A National Resource
 *New York Road Runners Club  -&-  Columbia University Road Runners Club 
	"Go run.  Nothing else can make you feel as good as making love."  --ME
====================================> end <====================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Subject: Re: "Superiority"
Reply-To: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Organization: Columbia University, New York City
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 08:17:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.041457.15054@seas.gwu.edu> se020151@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok Lee) writes:
>horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>Scott Horne, can you ask you a question?  I'm just a bit curious, what is
>your interest in s-c-k?  Do you have a burning hatred of Koreans or are you
>a Sino-phile.  For your amount of postings, you obviously are someone who
>has more than a passing interest in the goings-on of this group.You are going
>to find, as you would in any other cultural group, chauvinistic attitudes
>expressed.

I'm pissed off to see people (Ex. Scott Horne) being attacked for simply 
and plainly stating what they believe to be historical facts.  Some netters
in .culture groups would go nuts because somebody doesn't praise their 
culture.  I believe, Horne, for example, didn't express any personal/emotional
attachment to his opinions.  His subject to this kind of
"chauvinistic attitude" anyway.  
We are here to communicate and exchange ideas, not to simply praise the
culture by anymeans.

>no nationality is perfect as mankind is not perfect. 

Very smart and profound!!!  
So be ready and humble to accept/anticipate criticisms.

>     ***************************************************************
>     * Hyok Lee    George Washington University, SEAS              *
>     *                                                             *
>     * The guy who shitted got away and the guy farted got caught. *
>     *                                 -Korean proverb             *
>     *                                                             *
>     ***************************************************************

- Harry,
	kb2lha
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: c9b-av@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Chang)
Subject: korean and japanese culture
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 05:53:47 GMT

Koreans and Japaneses seem to be full of themselves when it
comes to their "culture."

Let's face it folks, what "culture?"

Your cultures are basically watered down Chinese handouts.  It might
hurt your egos, but it is true.

Take care.

Steve Chang
From: tucho@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Hyung-Sok Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Help needed, KLPC, Korean Culture Promotion
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:38:06 GMT
Reply-To: tucho@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Hyung-Sok Lee)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: tucho@happy.cc.utexas.edu

Korean Language Promotion Committee (KLPC) 
University of Texas at Austin
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My name is Gabriel Hyung-Sok Lee, and I am a member of KLPC.
As many of you have noted in your postings, there is a big
unawareness of Korean culture in this multicultural society that 
we call America. Part of it is due to the lack of initiatives like
KLPC that educate Americans about our culture. 
Our short-term goal is to offer Korean Language as a foreign language
at the Department of Asian Languages. Unfortunately in order to do this,
we need an initial funding equivalent to $14,000 for the TA's salary.

We have unsuccessfully tried to raise this amount, so I am asking you 
guys and girls out there:
	Do you know of any other source of money that our 
	organization could make use of ? (i.e Korean Companies, etc)

If you do, please let us know.
 Please send replies to:
	tucho@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

Regards,
Hyung-Sok Lee

PS: Japanese Language is offered at the University of Texas at Austin,
after several Japanese companies donated $500,000 to create the Japanese
Language Program. If the Japanese could do it, I am sure there will be 
some Koreans who can do it too. (No offense intended!)

	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: "Superiority" (Re: Representation of Korea in East Asian Studies)
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 05:16:04 GMT

In article <8896@scott.ed.ac.uk>, iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski) writes:
<In article <1992Apr5.093749.28477@seas.gwu.edu> se020151@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok Lee) writes:
<<replying to Scott Horne>
<
<>: Certainly Koreans were involved.  But so were many Chinese scholars.  And
<>: *ALL* of the scholars, whether Korean or Chinese, were educated in (written)
<>: Chinese and knew no other written language.
<
<Are you sure about that, Scott?  I wouldn't be surprised if at least
<some of them knew, say, Sanskrit or Tibetan.

Ah, yes, you're probably right.  (And possibly Japanese, too.  Sanskrit would
be much more likely than Tibetan.)  Thanks for the correction.

<But no doubt all of them
<knew Chinese

Yes, at least the written form.

<>What you don't know is that Koreans have always used the Chinese character
<>in a different manner.  Many--not all-- times the characters were used
<>merely for phonetic content, so a Chinese reading it would have no
<>idea what is written.
<
<(You know that, Scott, don't you?)

Of course.  (And I find it interesting that the readers of SCK, most of whom
are specialising in engineering, some science, or some pseudo-science like
computer "science", should try to "educate" me in my own specialty.)

<Yes, well, that's what speakers of
<pretty much any other language in the area (Japanese and Vietnamese,
<for example) used to do before they had their own writing systems.

Yes, and also Ryu^kyu^an and Zhuang (among others).

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Subject: Re: PURDUE VS. IU!
Keywords: basketball, picnic, dance
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: in
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:23:49 GMT

In article <44734@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> byonef@sage.cc.purdue.edu (E. Fred Byon) writes:
>THE RIVALRY RESUMES...
>
>THE PURDUE KOREAN UNDERGRADUATE ORGANIZATION
>
>VS.
>
>THE IU KOREAN CLUB 
>

Heh, cross-posted to rec.sport.baketball... Cute.

I can't go from NY, but...

Go Hoosiers!

Sorry Fred, but what kind of name is "Boilermakers"? :)

Andy Kim
jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: Birthday greetings
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:07:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.143344.26825@udel.edu>, shin@duck.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
<In article <1992Apr15.075856.9995@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
<
<>I'd like to take this opportunity to wish President Kim Ilsung a happy
<>eightieth birthday.
<
<A difference between SHorne and young South American Maoists....
[And continues in a manner that is absolutely baffling.] 

What on earth did your article have to do with my birthday greeting?
Here I post a thoughtful message, wishing someone a happy birthday and
informing SCKers of an important Korea-related event of which they might
otherwise not have been aware, and someone posts a ridiculous and
irrelevant personal attack.

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
Shao2shan1 sheng1 de tai4yang2 yong3 bu2 luo4!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: seo@capone.ccsm.uiuc.edu (Jong-Wook Seo)
Subject: Re: reading by word or by character
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:43:54 GMT

Dear James Choi


	>I remember reading that we read by word, not by character.  If we 
	>read by character, it will be exceedingly slow.  And if we really 
	>read each character, we would not have trouble spelling words we 
	>read.  And we would never mix up two words that have similar 
	>spelling but different meaning such as 'sheer' and 'shear.'
I partly agree with you.
When we read any article, we usually catch out the miss-spelled words.
However, on the other hand, we miss some of them clearly.
I think many of us have similar experience.
So, I agree that we don't read character by character every time, nor word 
by word.
I think that the relative portion between those depends on how skillful 
the reader is.
(Actually, I tried by myself.
But, I could not be a well trained experimenter for that.
I mean, I almost always tried to read character by character.
I think it doesn't mean anything.
I usually tried to bias toward my idea reflectively.)

	>There was an article written by a Japanese (I can dig up this one if 
	>you want me to) about different way of reading chinese characters 
	>and japanese characters.  ...
It will be my pleasure if you can tell me more about this.

	>>I think this is also the reason why we feel inconvenience if we 
	>>write Hangul in a series.
	>I think this is just our habit.
I am pretty sure about this issue.
If we use series version of Hangul, I think the spoken Korean language 
(especially, the pronunciation) changes very much to adapt the new 
environment.
It requires a great difficulties and disorder in language life.
It didn't happen when we began to use Hangul massively at the end of the 
19th century because we used to use single syllable letter, the Chinese 
letter.
(Again, I hope I used a correct terminology.)

	>James Choi


By the way, the issue is, I think, a very typical and interesting one in 
linguistics
and in psychology.
It might have been studied or being studied systematically possibly for 
commercial applications.
Therefore, we may be able to get any well studied information from 
somebody else if we are lucky enough.

Jong-Wook Seo
From: dkyoon@pollux.usc.edu (Dae-kyun Yoon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Announcing SSHR - Read/Write Hangul even on Dumb Terminals
Date: 8 Apr 1992 11:04:21 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

If you really like to communicate in hangul but have given up the use of
hangul because you don't have a hangul terminal, you might want to try
this: romanized hangul.  If you think you can read/write something like
"an.nyeong.ha.se.yo? BanGabSeubNiDa.", the chance is that you can
communicate with other hangul-users in hangul even on dumb terminals.

We have defined a hangul romanization scheme called SSHR, and
made a few code converters for KS5601:
  - ks2sshr (and readks) to generate romanized hangul from KS5601
  - sshr2ks to convert romanized hangul to KS5601
They are are compiled and run in Unix systems.
When coupled with other "ks-wares" such as iso2ks and msy2ksc,
ks2sshr/sshr2ks can be used for those 7-bit encoding schemes

The document and programs for sshr is available through anonymous ftp
to cair.kaist.ac.kr, in directory pub/hangul/codeconv, file name
ks2sshr.tar.Z (should be transferred in binary mode).

Please send any comments/questions to either dkyoon@usc.edu or
sung@ibm.com. -- Thanks.
-- 
Dae-kyun Yoon
dkyoon@usc.edu, ..!uunet!usc!dkyoon
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: chan@jeeves.waterloo.edu (Chi-Hong An)
Subject: Internet BBSes in Koreaystem(What is better?)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 08:54:15 GMT

Hi, I'd just like to let you know that there's another internet BBS in Korea ( Bbeside ARA.KAIST.AC.KR ). It's address is kids.kotel.co.kr.....it's far better than ara's ( in my point of view ) but everything there is Hangul oriented so if you don't own a Korean emulator of some sort ( and it only supports KS code ) don't bother calling in but anybody should be able to use it since IYAGI ( Korean
emulator-communication software ) is available at cair.kaist.ac.kr. Enjoy!!
From: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: stop childish cross-fire !
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:50:10 GMT
Organization: Columbia University


	Title says it all.  Let's save that shit for e-mail.
	Pse consider.  Tnx.

====================================>.sig <====================================
  Harry Xu  (KB2LHA)	   Internet:  hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
 *Columbia University Amateur Radio Club (CUARC-<>-W2AEE)  *Founded, 1913*
 *The American Radio Relay League:  Amateur Radio >>---> A National Resource
 *New York Road Runners Club  -&-  Columbia University Road Runners Club 
	"Go run.  Nothing else can make you feel as good as making love."  --ME
====================================> end <====================================
From: se020151@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok Lee)
Subject: Re: "Superiority"
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 16:51:04 GMT


horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
: In article <22649@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang) writes:
: 
: <Oh-baek-won-jjari pihaengi-lul taeuji massayo !
: 
: I never take anyone on five-won airplane rides.  Mine are always at least
: six or seven won--eight or nine if I'm in a good mood.  :-)
: 
: 					--Scott

-
You really should brush up on your korean.  Baek means hundred, so it
says five-hundred won. Actually the verb form of "to ride" is wrong,
but you did not catch it.  If the statement above is translated
exactly, it would say: "Don't let a five-hundred Won airplane ride."
The verb form "taeuja" means to give a ride or let someone ride.
-Unfortunately on this board, many readers try to enlighten each other
about the Korean language without knowing it themselves.



     ***************************************************************
     * Hyok Lee    George Washington University, SEAS              *
     *                                                             *
     *   Ddong ssan nom eun domang ga go, bangoo ggeen nom ee      *
     *     japyeot da..                                            *
     *                                 -Korean proverb             *
     *                                                             *
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From: rhee@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Injong Rhee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Internet link in korea
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:42:25 GMT

Hi, folks--

Recently, Kyung Pook ( or Kyung Book ) National University has gotten 
connected to internet( congratulation to you guys out at KPU!!). 
I am not sure about its IP address, but I have the site (machine) name by 
which you can communicate with anyone who has an account there. The name is: 

bh.kpnu.ac.kr.  

I am not sure about its reliability, either, but I've never have trouble 
getting my email through, though.

Cheer,

--Injong Rhee (rhee@cs.unc.edu)
From: shkoo@pollux.usc.edu (Sang Hoe Koo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: UC Berkelay
Date: 6 Apr 1992 20:40:21 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

Hi UC Berkelay folks,

I have two brother-in-laws who will transfer to UC Berkelay as Juniors
this fall.  They have spent two years in a college in LA - as international
students from Korea -, but they are new to SF and Berkelay area.

If any one out there knows for contact point of either Korean student 
association or student in charge, please let us know through e-mail.  It will 
be of great help for them.

Thank you very much,

Sang Hoe Koo
University of Southern California
shkoo@usc.edu
From: js92@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jungshik  Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Internet link in korea
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:54:58 GMT
Reply-To: js92@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jungshik  Shin)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Apr12.055053.2447@kum.kaist.ac.kr> jhmoon@cair.kaist.ac.kr (Moon Jeong-Hun) writes:
>Yes, there are really available public 'telnet' accounts in Seoul KAIST,
>and also some in SERI. But if you really want to get an account, though
>there are no policy for public access, you can ask it to jksong@cosmos
>(Operator of cosmos.kaist.ac.kr), or root@sorak (many non-kaistian's accounts
>are there).
>But I can hardly remember the phone number of Modem access in Seoul. Sorry.

       Here's a number for KAIST dial-up in Seoul.
	    963-5793. I used it as recently as August,1991. I'm not sure
	    it's still correct number. I'm not so rich to make a call
	    to Seoul to check this. :)
	    962-3519 is VOICE phone for KAIST Computer Center in
	    Seoul.
    
>   . .                              Jeong-Hun, Moon (jhmoon@csd.kaist.ac.kr)


Jungshik Shin | APS(Am.Phys.Soc.)  | E-mail              |The unreasonable try  
Columbia Univ.| OSA(Opt.Soc.Am)    |Internet:js92@cunixb.|to change their    
New York      | IEEE member        |cc.columbia.edu      |society to fit their 
Tel. 212-932-3860                  |Bitnet:js92@cunixc   |ideal. Bernard Shaw