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From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Second Baby Thoughts ...
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:56:05 GMT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <1992Aug17.221022.11577@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
> In article <1992Aug17.201108.2202370@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:

[JLT says]

>>
>>So, before you chuck birthday parties, take a look at the needs of your child.
>>It may be that skipping the birthday party equates with skipping lunch on the
>>negligence scale.  
>>
>>So, flame war anyone?

[Laura Floom says]
                                         
> To you parties and gifts are important. For some families they may have
> other needs/prioties/wants. It also seems ethnocentric of you. Some cultures
> do not value birthdays, and some religions dont belive in celebrating holidays.

Well, I say:

To second Laura's point-for some children, as with Mitchell, a big party with
a lot of children participating may be important.  My son has in fact been to
quite a few big-bash kid Bday parties.  Let's see, at the last one he thought
the clown was stupid (so did I), pulled off his blindfold during
pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey (saying "how the heck am I supposed to find
ANYTHING?") and during the traditional end-of-the-party sugar induced frenzied 
running through the house paused to ask me "where am I going?" :)

So, as with everything else, YMMV.  Each child is different.  Actually, what
would rank as parental negligence in our house would probably be trying to make
my son lie around at night watching tv, rather than having a good reading 
session followed by a cuddle followed by a reasonable bedtime...

Or let's see, maybe negligent would be expecting him to be satisfied with some
prefab collection of plastic mass-market Batman junk, rather than his tools,
gardening equipment, scissors, paste...

Just IMHO,

Ann Helmers

(Besides, it's too hot for a flame war :)

> 
> I hate to say it, but this seems like one of the silliest flame wars you have
> tried to start in a long time.
> 
> Laura Floom
> 
> 
> 
>
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Mirror writing
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:23:36 GMT
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.

In article <14AUG199223393811@reg.triumf.ca> advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel) writes:
>A while ago my 4-year old daughter started writing stuff (mostly her name, 
>usually in rather large capital letters). I noticed on a couple of occasions 
>that if she ran out of room at the edge of the page writing left to right, 
>she would keep going right to left on the next line , but with the letters 
>reversed, as if they had been reflected from the edge of the paper. Sometimes 
>she does mirror writing in the middle of a page, too. She seems to be right 
>handed (she writes right-handed).
>
>Anyone else seen this behaviour? I'm not worried, just curious.

This form of writing (alternating direction and letter orientation in
each line) is sometimes seen in ancient Greek inscriptions.  Linguists
call it "boustrophedon" ("ox-turning") writing.  Your daughter is in
good company (and clearly is not the only person who thought this
method made sense).

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The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, clueless old white curmudgeon boy)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:05:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23468
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, clueless old white curmudgeon boy)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <1992Aug14.170244.23308@pony.Ingres.COM> dan@Ingres.COM (Daniel J. Dick) writes:


>But, before the Christian judges the athiest saying "the fool hath said in
>his heart there is no God", understand that this does less to call the
>athiest a fool than to call the fool an athiest.  Obviously, the sinner,
>"christian" or not, somehow thinks the Lord is not looking!

David, you have no right whatsoever as a Christian to defame me
by calling me a "fool" because I think your lord does not exist.
I don't tell you what to believe, as I shouldn't, and you have
no legal OR moral right to defame be because I choose not to
believe in the religion of Sumarian war god, as opposed to that
of the fertility god, or no god at all.

Your religion may call me a fool, but you cannot do that, nor can
you act on your belief. That is called discrimination on the basis
of creed, plain and simple.
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From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Let the toilet training begin!
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:36:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <4674@crl.LABS.TEK.COM>, sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King) writes:
> 
> I can't believe what a fool I'm being over this, but I just have to share
> it with someone who can relate (our childless friends can't for some
> reason ;^)
> 
> Patrick, who is 2 years 9 months, finally went pee in the potty last
> night!  It was just after I gave him a bath.  He sat on the potty,
> told him what he would get if he tried (one Skittle), what he would
> get if he went potty (the "whole" bag of Skittle - actually we divided
> them up into sandwich bags with five in each) and started reading his
> "Once Upon A Potty".  It took all of five seconds for him to urinate
> in the potty.

Congrats! Our two-years-and-eight-months old Sean is in the middle
of his training. We usually have him go bottomless when he's at home.
And we take the diaper off first thing in the morning. He still has
trouble at daycare sometimes. Our older kid didn't train till right
around his third birthday (like you, we were wondering if he would
still be in diapers as a teenager :)) but once he started he was
trained in less than a week and then about a month later started
spontaneously getting up in the night to go and has never had even
one bedwetting. I take this as support for the philosophy of letting
them set the pace for potty training. (My parents potty trained me at age
*nine months* and wet the bed till I was six).

Richard
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: m13079@mwunix (Mary Anne Walters)
Subject: Re: Somewhat wierd Ultrasound Experience
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:47:41 GMT

>
>The whole thing lasted about 45 minutes because it was part of a
>conference where they had one terribly experienced doctor running
>the exam (he was _good_) and two people observing.
>
>I am guessing that about halfway through the exam I broke out in
>cold sweats, felt like I was going to throw up and the baby went
>ballistic.  She was kicking and moving around like nothing I had
>ever felt before. 
>
>Anyone have anything like this happen?
>
>michelle

I had an ultrasound yesterday and while I didn't experience the discomfort
you discuss, I did have the exam with both the normal doppler as something
called a vaginal probe.  Gee what fun! (heavy on the sarcasm there) 

Still the best part of it all was that we actually saw the baby's heart
and I could clearly see 4 chambers, each pair seeming to be of the same size,
and the blood flowing, valves opening and closing in time with each other,
and all 5 fingers on one of it's hands (no crotch shot -- maybe it is a shy
girl :-)  ).  What a relief.  While we know this is no guarantee of a good
outcome, at least we are fairly sure the heart is ok this time.  For that,
whatever discomfort was well worth it. 


--
--Mary Anne  
"What we have once enjoyed and deeply loved we can never lose, for all
that we love deeply becomes a part of us."  Helen Keller
                                                 [for Alexander]
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: njamal@amherst.edu
Subject: Baby Refusing to Take Expressed Milk
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst Mass.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:17:36 GMT

First, I wanted to thank everyone who wrote to encourage me to
stay with pumping for my 3-month-old and who passed on their 
experiences with pumping.  The consensus seems to have been that
what kind of pump one has is important and that relaxation and
rest/fluids are important factors in getting a let-down.  

Things have improved on the pumping front.  Yesterday I managed
pump 3+ oz. after I fed my hungry little one after I got home.
It seems that from Tuesday onward this week, my son prefered/s to
wait for me to come home to feed him and is refusing to take the
expressed milk from his father.  My husband gives it to him
cold which is how we started him on the bottle when he was
2 months old.  We didn't have much of a problem with him taking
the bottle the few times we tried it. 

Now I don't mind much that he's decided to wait for me to come
home to have his feeding...the problem is that he's decided to
make up for it at night.  For the past three nights he's been
waking up twice instead of his usual (since being aprox. 4
weeks old) once.  With being back at work, it's very difficult
to wake twice in the night (as I'm sure you all know!).

Any suggestions on how we can get him to take the bottle I leave?
We are going to experiment this weekend with different nipples
to see if that works better.  I also asked my husband to warm
up the bottle for him today to see if that helps.  Is there
anything else I can try?  Can he just be going through a
growth spurt at a little more than 3 months?

Thanks for any help on this.

Nuhad Jamal
njamal@amherst.bitnet
From: miller@b-mrda.ca.boeing.com (Mark Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How about changing 'difficult' to 'challenging' ?
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:33:43 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplanes MR&D

judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:

> Oh please, I want to argue semantics.  Really, really, really I do.  It's
> IMPORTANT to me.  (Name that age ;-)

I'm not sure, but I think I've got it narrowed down to somewhere between
the ages of 2 and 25. :]


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From: michelle@cs.utk.edu (Michelle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cruelty Free Products (Was Re: cradle cap)
Date: 16 Aug 92 14:03:50 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu

> ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry) writes:
>> mrp@world.std.com (Marjorie R Peskin) writes:

>> Just my $.02 about Paul Mitchell products, and NO I don't work for them.  
>> I would recommend purchasing them for your cradle cap baby and for yourself
>> because they don't test on animals, something Johnson and Johnson or
>> Proctor and Gamble can't say about their products.  Its hard to talk to
>> kids about how cute bunnies are when you use products that kill them for

>Does anyone have information about other companies that offer kids (or other) 
>products that they don't use animal testing for?  I agree with the sentiment 
>that my shampoo shouldn't kill animals.  I worked in a pharmacy college.  I 
>could tell you horror stories.

	PETA has a Cruelty Free Shopping Guide that is a wallet size list
of companies that DO NOT test on animals (P.O. Box 42516, Washington, DC
20015).  I noticed another book in Waldenbooks a couple of weeks ago
called "A Shopper's Guide to Cruelty Free Products" by Lori Cook that
seemed to have quite a list of folk that still test, and alternatives
to commonly used products made by folks that do not.  It was $4.99 and
the ISBN is 0-553-29208-0.

	Something else you can do if you are interested in product
listings is to subscribe to rec.foods.veg and get the FAQ from them.  It
has names and addresses of people/companies that you can get this type
of information from.  Marjorie may just have this kind of info too -
so you might want to ask her.

>Just another plug for Paul Mitchell, for adults with seborehic (sp) 
>dermatitis (often like cradle cap sort of...) Tea Tree shampoo is great!  Not 
>harsh like other "dandruff" shampoos, and does a good job!

	I don't have dandruff, but have been known on occasion to use my
hubby's Tea Tree Shampoo because it smells sooooo wonderful (extremely
minty), and gives you this great tingly feeling on your scalp.  It
makes you want to run to the kitchen eat something chocolate-mint with
a big glass of, well, milk.

michelle
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: Stupid potty training question
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School; Dewitt, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:03:15 EDT

Well...I seem to recall being potty trained sitting down.  There were
several advantages to this.  First of all, it was probably less of a mess
for my mother to clean up.  Second, considering how much taller than me
the rim of the toilet seat was at the time, if I were using a real toilet
(as opposed to the late 50s model potty chair I had), I'd have a better
chance of getting the stuff *in* the toilet.  I also seem to recall my
potty chair having this annoying little plastic guard on the front that
kept my penis (is that what we've finally decided to officially call it?)
firmly in the *down* position so that I didn't spray all over the room.

One other thing I recall...while I used the potty chair in the normal way,
when I evenutually graduated to using the grownup's toilet, I spent
probably two years sitting on it backwards (you know, facing the tank, as
opposed to looking across the bathroom).  This was because I was afraid of
falling off, and I guess the tank gave me something to hold onto or at
least fall against instead of crashing all the way down to the floor (also
meant I could *see* the flush lever).

Then all of a sudden one day...I decided to turn around and use it the
"normal" way.

Just as an aside, I remember hearing once about a church in Arizona that
was publicizing their potty training classes under the biblical title of
"Train Them Up In The Way They Should Go."

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From: tamarind@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ranjini Ramachandran)
Subject: Baby-sitter avaiable
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 17:50:38 GMT


Hi, everybody. My regular weekend 4 yr. old baby-sitee is going away
to New York in a couple of weeks, and I'm looking to baby-sit another kid/kids.
I have a 2 1/2 yr. old myself and take her along when I baby-sit. I'm very good with kids and can baby-sit either in your house or mine.                   
                                                                               I charge $7.00 per hr. and prefer areas close to ( < 10 miles) Stanford 
University.

If interested, please e-mail me or call me at 723-0523 (wk) or 497-2302 (hm).
From: judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: kids clothes
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:21:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.3387
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <TIGGER.92Aug19112940@satyr.Sylvan.COM> tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes:

>I'm a mammal and proud of it!

It would be far, far more interesting to know who here 
ISN'T a mammal.

Come on, now, 'fess up out there, all you net-reading
reptiles, amphibians, arthropods, etc. ...!

Judy Drake
From: sec@csc.canberra.edu.au (Stacey Curtis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: You Know You Are a Parent When ...
Date: 19 Aug 92 06:05:38 GMT
Organization: University Of Canberra
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

You know you're a parent when you find yourself saying things that your
parents said to you and you promised yourself you'd never, ever, ever say
the same thing.
Like
This hurts me more than it hurts you.
When I was a little child
Because I said so, that's why
etc, ad nausem
From: sasha@ra.cs.umb.edu (Alexander Chislenko)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Aerobics for kids?
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:02:19 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS
   I have a 9-year old child who would be happy to take aerobics classes.
   Unfortunately, all (few) health clubs I know don't let in kids under
   I'm not going to make a civil-liberties case ou


		Alex.
From: smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Sandra Mergen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Toddler table/chair
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:06:12 GMT


I just purchased a 'Step 2' toddler table & chair set from Toys 
R Us.  It cost $39 and was all plastic.  The table is a light
grey, cream color and the chairs were blue and purple, one of
each.

My daughter seems to like it, (she's almost 2), but still likes
to eat her meals sitting in her 'My Chair' booster seat with
tray, in the living room in front of a Disney Movie (currently
Peter Pan).

The only thing that I don't like about the table & chairs is that
on the kitchen floor, the chairs slide, so that when Melissa
goes to sit on the chair, it slides out from under her.  Maybe
thats why she isn't using it more.  I'm trying to think of a
solution for this problem.  Maybe a mat or something.

Sandy
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cute Things They Say [4yo]
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:46:26 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

A good friend is expecting her second child, and this weekend decided to tell
the big-sister-to-be, Katie, the news.  My friend had to go return some rental
tapes and while gone her husband told Katie they had some important news for
her.  So, when mom returned they announced that she was going to have a baby. 
Katie goggled for a second then burst out "you mean God put a baby in your
tummy at the video store?!"

Ann Helmers
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: daved@convex.com (David Dorfman)
Subject: Day Care in Downtown BOSTON
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:13:16 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I was wondering if any of the kind souls out there in misc.kids 
land knew of a good day care provider in the Downtown Boston
or East Cambridge area.

We are also interested in in-home day care at our house in 
the lower North Shore.

Money is not a great issue since my wife would be returning to a good
paying job, we would prefer to pay more to get a good provided/infant 
ratio in a positive environment.

We need to start the day care in November. My Son will be 6 months old at 
that time. We hope to only require day care 60% of the time but we would
be willing to pay full time. In this case the quality of the
day or in house care is the top priority over economy.

Please send me email if you have any ideas or candidates for the inhouse 
day care provider

I am daved@convex.com

Thanks 
Dave Dorfman
From: larryba@polstra.UUCP (Larry Barello)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Doman and the Better Baby Institute
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:55:20 GMT
Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA

Does anyone out there have experience with early childhood home teaching?
In particular the stuff promoted by Doman and the Better Baby Institute.
We have read "How to multiply your babies intelligence" and other Doman
books.  We have also started on some of the programs.  It seems to work,
yet I wonder if this is the best way to give our children the proper 
start in their educational career?

Any thoughts on how these programs dovetail with structured pre-school
like Montessori?

Thanks!
-- 
Larry Barello			uunet!polstra!larryba
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: garfield@software.org (Donna Garfield)
Subject: re: Ear Thermometers
Organization: Software Productivity Consortium, Herndon, Virginia
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:53:16 GMT

Well I guess I'll stick my .02 in here.....

According to my pediatricians and the local hospital personnel which I have discussed
this with....

       For home monitoring where exactness is not crucial the ear thermometers are
       fine, in the case where accuracy is really important they are not recommended.

This issue arose for us because of a now 10 month long fever of unknown origin in our
now 2 year old. The very first question asked by each doctor that examined our son
(and there have been many) is what kind of thermometer do you use, glass and digital
were deemed acceptable (my personal experience is the flexible digital thermometer
was very inaccurate, but it is possible that the one I bought was a dud. The nonflexible
thermometer seems to measure the same as the glass thermometers--only faster).

In case your wondering, the outcome so far has been that his body's thermostat must just
work differently than everyone else's and afternoon temps of 101.5-102 are normal for
him....try explaining THAT to daycare centers!!!!

					 Donna
					 garfield@software.org
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mbb@keps.kodak.com (Maureen Busch)
Subject: Re: negative attitudes about breast-feeding
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:03:51 GMT

In article <19361@drutx.ATT.COM> seb1@druhi.att.com writes:
>In article <qJc-f5@engin.umich.edu>, Julie_Melody@med.umich.edu (Julie Melody) writes:
>|> I did everything I was told, including preparing my nipples for
>|> breastfeeding by scrubbing them lightly with a loofa sponge daily
>|> My message to anyone who wants to nurse is to prepare!!  It only
>|> takes a few minutes a day and is well worth the effort!!!!!

>But, this conflicts with what most OB's will tell you. Nipple stimulation
>late in pregnancy can bring on labor. Not something most doctors recommend
>unless you are getting very close or over your due date. 

Nipple preparation and nipple stimulation are two very different things.  Or,
shall I say, my experience was that preparation activities were anything but
stimulating, and were very different from what the nurse was suggesting I
do during a non-stress test to avoid pitocin for a stress test.  I didn't go
as far as using a loofa - I found the nubs of the bathtowel worked just fine.

>And, I've heard
>mixed things on its success. Women have prepared and still had to deal with
>cracked nipples.

True, but like Julie, I had no problems the time I prepared, and I did have
those kinds of problems with the baby I didn't do any preparation for.  Just
another data point.
-- 
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DISCLAIMER:  The opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
From: exucapa@exu.ericsson.se (Carrol Patterson,xt-dk,x1209)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Toddler Biting - HELP!
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:36:36 GMT
Reply-To: exucapa@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

My 21 month old son has started biting other kids at daycare.  During the
past 5 to 8 months, he was bitten occasionally by other kids in his class.  
His teachers are expressing concern, but he doesn't do it at home, so what 
can I do to help solve this problem at daycare (other than just wait out 
the phase)?

Any suggestions/advice would be greatly appreciated!

Carrol (Mom of Alex, 21 months)