From: cza@troy.cc.bellcore.com ()
Subject: Re: Apparently we have another "revisionist" to expose:  Schuerzinger.
Organization: BCR, NJ-USA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 21:23:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.025242.4345@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:
>
>Serdar, you still ignore the genocide of approximately one million
>Armenians towards the end of the first world war.
>
>
>--Ted Schuerzinger
>email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
>"Denial is not just a river in Africa."
>(Stuart Smalley)

Never mind what Serdar ignores.  Do you agree that same
geneocide claims by Armenians also applicable to Ottoman Muslims
(Turks/Kurds)?  If "yes" skip the rest. 
If your answer is "no." Why?  

This a fact that number by number the loss and suffering of 
Ottoman Muslims far a head of Armenians by the end 
of WWI.  However, I haven't seen any one in the West got up and said 
"wait a minute" when Armenians start contending
with that they would be a sole benefactor of such recognition
without mentioning of other huge civilian sufferings
inflicted on Ottoman Muslims.   They were not innocient by
standers in WWI.  Armenians wanted to win their own
independents on the expense of TUrks/Kurds in that region
although they were not a majority.  They sided with Invading Russians 
to fullfil their goal after seeing how Serbs, Bulgars, and Greeks
got their own sovernity with the help of Austria-Hungrian Empire
and British.  Nothing wrong with that. If there were no Bolshevik 
revolution in Russia, probably they would get want they wanted and we
would not have this geneocide claims today, wouldn't we?  After all.
I haven't heard (yet) Greek, Bulgarian, Serbain Geneocide claims
against Ottomans in their late 19th Century vendures, even though they 
lost many people along their struggle to get what they wanted.  Why you
want to Serdar to recognize is the unfortunate outcome of Armanian 
rebelous act and Ottoman Goverment reaction to it.  But the event
was the civil and communal war whereever angle you look at it.
I can see why you were also apprehensive to equate this
to the Jewish Holocaust experience in WWII.   Because those set of
questions were put forward by Serdar makes very difficult for one
to equate this Nazi conspiracy onto innocent citizens of
Germany who did not have a single bullet against any
German citizen to perpetrate such reaction.  I hope, you know
what questions I am talking about.  Those are:

  1. Did Jews establish Jewish armies behind German lines to backstab 
     Germans and to establish a Jewish State on German soil? 

  2. Did Jews organize and carry out a general slaughter of the local
     Christian population in Hamburg, Darmstad, Koln? 
     

  3. Did Jews raise an army of one hundred and fifty thousand men to 
     fight a civil war? 

  ......etc.  You can ask him if you haven't seen those.

It is those arguments make the Holocaust a unique crime that no one
have a slightest clue why it has happenned.

By no means that I am here to make any justification of
any innocent Armanian civilian killing at the hand of Ottoman
Army or an Ottoman civilian hand.  I wish it has never
happenned as the many Turks died or suffered by the Aremanian rebels.
Nobody can bring them back.  Rather than trying to sort who were 
guilty and who was innocent, I am for the prevention of happening 
again because of a few nationalist blood thirsty creature to resurrect 
those ill feelings among the nations and ethnic groups.  Otherwise, it 
means that we had never learned from all the deads purpatrated by 
civil wars,  WWI, and WWII. However, if one wants to pick and choose 
who was more opt for " genecoide" term among Turks and Armenians based 
on what happenned in 1915 after 75 years later,  I am not so sure the 
humanity will prevent the next genocide.  The Bosnia was
a prime example to what I mean.   How can I neglect to
mention what is brewing in Caucassia, Balkans, and the Northern Iraq
in that vein?

C. AKgun