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From: wity@iastate.edu (Wity Ganda)
Subject: Re: What is the 25th Anniversary game?
Keywords: version, romulan, cloak
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:12:34 GMT

In article <BsvI9K.61z@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> bradleyt@caesar.ucs.indiana.edu (T.C. Bradley) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.063012.27840@news.iastate.edu> wity@iastate.edu (Wity Ganda) writes:
>
>>In some of the episodes, you have to manuever the Enterprise to have a dogfight
>>with Romulan, and Enterprise duplicate.  Yes, the Romulan ship has a cloaking
>>device!
>>
>
>What version did YOU play?  Mine didn't have any Romulan ships, much
>less cloaked ones...
>
>Yes, I have finished the game (only 64% efficiency :( ).
>
>T.C.
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You met the cloaked Romulan ship on the episode where Spock is sick and you
have to find a cure for him and the other Romulans.

I also like to go to the wrong planets on purpose so that I can have a dogfight
with other ships.  I have a trainer that makes my Enterprise invincible.  8-)

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From: owen@olympus.arc.nasa.gov..arc.nasa.gov (Owen S. Nishioka)
Subject: Re: Worf's son
Organization: Nasa-Ames Research Center
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 22:41:46 GMT

In article <5087@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> krieger@egnext3.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Karen Krieger) writes:
>Can anyone tell me the name of Worf's son?
Alexander
>or Data's brother?
Lore

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From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Subject: Re: Spoilers-- Enough!!!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
	Enough is enough.  This gone Jonathen Sheir goofed up, ok, I 
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:42:23 GMT

					Jeffrey Jo
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From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Subject: Re: young Kirk
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:33:13 GMT

rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu  writes:
> Are there any stories, books, episodes that describe the youth and family
> of Capt. James Tiberius Kirk (I do know he came from Iowa).
> 
> Jeff Bytof
> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu

There is one about his father called "Final Frontier" by Diane Carey.  There
is another, but it's just about Kirk's experience with the "Kobayashi Maru",
with the book title being the same by Julia Ecklar.
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From: ns@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Nancy M. Schnepp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: USA Article: Scotty
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:53:26 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

Spoilers ahead























---begin article---

USA TODAY 8/14/92:

STUCK IN SPACE:  In an upcoming episode of "Star Trek:
The Next Generation" the crew of the Enterprise encounters
an abandoned Federation transport ship, activates the
transporter, and who should materialize but...Scotty!
Seems he was beamed up one time too many and became
suspended in molecular limbo for 75 years.  James Doohan
of the original Star Trek cast reprises his role.
DeForest Kelley, as Dr. McCoy, and Leonard Nimoy, as
Spock, are other original Enterprise crew members who
have appeared in Next Generation episodes.

----end article---


If you read it in the USA Today it's true, Virginia.
Yes, Virginia, there is a Dr. McCoy on the Next Generation.
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: ST:TNG actors on other series
Organization: Yale University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 21:06:33 EDT

    Here is one I've forgotten.  Gates McFadden has a very small role
in Muppets Take Manhatten as a secretary for a Broadway agent near the
beginning of the movie.
From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Season Premiere -- Worf wins a fight!!
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:50:39 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

come on, everybody play along!
just make up a goofy idea for the new season (the more ludicrous, the better)
and forget about those silly spoiler warnings!

loads of fun!

ok
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From: plp1@Ra.MsState.Edu (pat parker)
Subject: Re: Season Premiere: Geordi loses visor! Uses a cane instead.
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:37:39 GMT

cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:

>A reliable source has informed me that in the season premiere of
>STAAAAR TREK, Geordi will drop his visor down into the warp coil,
>and be reduced to incredibly primitive means of navigation.  Some
>ridiculous excuse will be cooked up to explain why a new one couldn't
>be replicated for him.

oh, i heard that he would have a seeing-eye dolphin to help him navigate.


pat
From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Dolphins!
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:23:53 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Aug18.145736.28316@dsd.es.com> bmadsen@dsd.es.com (Bruce Madsen) writes:
[snip- ST:TNG Tech Man re: Dolphins]
>There's a scene where one of the Ferengi rudely barges in on the Capt,
>the Ambassador (forget his name), and Geordi in the hallway. Picard
>manages to get the ambassador away (into a turbolift) and asks Geordi
>to take care of the Ferengi. Geordi then says to the Ferengi (more or
>less): "Have you seen the Dolphins? You gotta see the Dolphins". 
>
>What Fun!
>
>I wonder if this is another takeoff on Douglas Adams or David Brin
>(ala the Dolphin Crew in _Startide Rising_)?

Makes sense to me. :) I have dolphin navigators or pilots in a
lot of the short stories I write (but never seem to finish... :)
Now, obviously, we can't even carry on a conversation with these
remarkable beasts yet, and likely they have a very alien
intellect (not just latex on the forehead. :) but I'd rather have
a carnovore that's bred to navigate in 4D spacetime than a
(omigosh!) human. 

What 'class' would dolphin habitats fall under? For that matter,
is there a 'canon' listing of what Class M, H, K and all those
mean? (Yes, I admit it. My only Trek stuff is the Tech Manual,
Starlog's Tech Journal (non-canon, true, but the pics are good.
:), and the Citizens of the Federation (or whatever) - (ditto and
ditto)).

I don't see our rubbery-skinned compadres (sp?) showing up on TNG
any time soon. Sigh...

Joshua
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From: ricky@adx.adelphi.edu (Ricky Glass)
Subject: Re: Geordi Dies/Scotty Lives/Triva Contest
Organization: Adelphi University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:05:36 GMT


Well, after wading through all (well most) there is one thing that does
bother me.  

That is casting the TOS actors in the TNG.  These people can't act,
never did and never will.  If Doohan becomes a regular, I will be sorely
dissappointed.

I have recently become an avid TNG fan and watching the TOS or the
series brings this fact out.

I will become violently ill the first time Scotty says:
"but cap'in the warp engines ..."

I would rather see the enterprise pull into star system and find 

Guy Williams, June Lockhart, Bill Mummy and Angla Cartwright.

Name that series. :-)

For a top prize (a Plutotonium plated Ultra Man)
can you name the other two actors of that series?

For the life of me, I can't remember thier names although I do remmeber
the characters.  No hints from me.  Ok, some hints:
The series is NOT:
Zorro, Lassie or The Danny Thomas show.

BTW, if you are under 30 (base 10) you probably don't have a clue as to
what I am talking about. :-)

Good luck,
Ricky
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From: kenward@cs.sfu.ca (Kenward Chin)
Subject: Re: Dolphins!
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:43:20 GMT

DonD@cup.portal.com (Don Robert DeCosta) writes:

>Ahh... Why did you bring this up?  Now I'm forced to comment and somebody's
>gonna tell me to get a life.... Oh well, here goes...

What, me tell someone to get a life?  B-)

>If in the 24th century we have established enough communcication with marine 
>mammals to use them for 3D navigation consultants then we have to assume they
>are sentient beings... right????  Don't YOU view taking a sentient being and
>sticking them in an aquarium on a space ship a little bit like slavery??? I 
>mean I doubt the Dolphins signed up with Starfleet for the great pay, what
>would a dolphin do with a paycheck?

I suppose one could say the same about the rest of the Enterprise crew!

(Things we won't see: Riker and Worf plotting about how to get out of this
prison they call the Enterprise, and getting back at those Starfleet admirals
that sentenced to a life of slavery in Starfleet!)

Kenward Chin
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From: paigen@tfs.com (David Paigen)
Subject: Re: Trek, Season 6, and B5 (was: Re: Season 6 Transporter
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:44:02 GMT

schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:

[talking about something else...]

>As I've espoused before, science fiction necessitates scientific
>inaccuracy and inconsistancy.  When you construct a universe that
>dosen't exist and try to fill it with rules to make it work, you may
>find yourself painted into a corner when, for dramatic purposes, you
>need to break that rule to make the _story_ work.  In the end, that's
>why we watch the shows.  Not to dissect them for "scientific accuracy".

This is demonstrably untrue.  There are many science fiction stories
that are consistant and accurate with contemporary science.  Sometimes
even accurate with reasonable projections of where science will be.

In terms of the transporter pattern buffer, I think people object not
because it is scientificly impossible, but because it makes things too
easy.

The tech manual puts limitations on the transporter because without
limits, the device becomes too easy to use for resolving conflicts.
The writers would become lazy and we would see the transporter save
the day again and again and again...

Does this remind you of something, or someone, else?  There is good
dramatic reason to limit the transporter.  There is not, IMHO, good
reason to violate those limits because the writers can't come up with
an original gimmick to achive their ends.

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Subject: Re: One more reason to hate "Cost of Living"?
From: gruszka@skcla.monsanto.com
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:01:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: heszar

In article <matt.714075285@unidata.ucar.edu>, matt@unidata.ucar.edu (Matt Hicks) writes:
> I just saw "Cost of Living" for the first time (all the way through
> that is) last night, and I agree with everyone who has said that it
> sucks. I also think that maybe the writing sucked on multiple levels;
> that is to say, I think I heard an error or rather, a contradiction,
> in the crisis dialog. I didn't follow the earlier discussions of this
> episode too carefully, so stop me if you've heard this one before. At
> one point, we hear,"Life support failure on decks 10 and 11." The order
> is given to evacuate those decks. A few minutes later, life support 
> fails on like decks 24 and 25, and Pickard says (paraphrase)"Evacuate
> the affected decks and direct the evacuees to decks 9 and 10." So if 
> I heard things correctly the people going to deck 10 are in for an
> unpleasant surprise because it was one of the first decks to lose life
> support. Does anyone have this on tape and feel like choking back the
> bile long enough to verify whether this is what is said? And please don't
> try to cover for the writers with some flame about the ship not allowing
> people to go to a deck w/o life support or something like that. If the
> writers did screw up (and the fact that this episode exists is proof
> enough that someone wasn't thinking) then this is one time they should
> be thumped for it.
> 
  Yes you are right they did send people back to the evacuated deck.

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From: schamber@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY)
Subject: Re: Regarding Female Borg and a little on the root command
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:04:31 GMT

In article <edjans01.713553753@starbase.spd.louisville.edu> edjans01@orion.spd.louisville.edu (David Jansing) writes:
>All we know about the beginnings of the Borg are that they are born as
>biological beings.  This doesn't really tell us anything about HOW they are
>born.  Perhaps they are test-tube babies, and are genetically bred to be
>androgynous.  This could account for the reason they all look alike.
>
>On the other hand, in the book _Vendetta_, a former Starfleet officer(?) was
>apparently captured by the Borg and assimilated (this was a few years before
>the Big E was forced into its Borg introduction).  The Starfleet officer was
>female.  Perhaps her biological differences (i.e., female gender stuff) was
>altered like Picard's skin was turned gray?  Just a thought.

No, she was not from Starfleet. She was an independant trader.

(Remember, she had her own ship.)      

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From: lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: What would you do with the power of the Q ?
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:27:34 GMT
Organization: DSC

I would make peace in the world and make it a beautiful place to live.

 - From Miss America Pageant, 1961,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,
                              75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,
                              90,91,92, and well into the future....

Boy, with questions like this, you can sure tell we're in rerun season!
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From: danny@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Danny Faught)
Subject: Re: The Measure of a Man
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:20:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.201344.3380@desire.wright.edu> jcrabtree@desire.wright.edu writes:
>He did apply to StarFleet and was accepted with one dissenting vote:  Commander
>Maddux voted to deny admission on the basis that Data is not sentient.  Data
>had to go through a rather extensive series of tests to resolve that question
>of sentience, if I again recall correctly.  He was simply challenged once more
>as to the question of his sentience.
>
>Jason

I may be opening an old can of worms here, so if you don't want to rehash
an old discussion, then don't followup.  But since I don't specifically
remember reading this discussion, I'll bring it up.

Here goes.  There is no question in my mind that Data is sentient.
Even so, I would not give him the rights that he has been granted
on the show.  Why would we build robots/androids just to set them
loose in society?

Computer systems are emerging that can be considered sentient.  And
I wouldn't dream of giving them the same rights enjoyed by humans.
So as I see it, sentience is not a sufficient prerequisite to receiving
the rights of humans^H^H^H^H^H^H intelligent living beings.
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From: burra@sparc2.cs.ttu.edu (Gangadhar Burra (EE))
Subject: Re: The watch in Time's arrow
Organization: Texas Tech University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:09:49 GMT
X-Posted-From: sparc2.cs.ttu.edu
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In article <1992Aug18.170428.16602@b8.b8.ingr.com> ratter@b8.b8.ingr.com (Ray Ratte) writes:

 [stuff about the watch in Time's Arrow, and what S.L.C. stands for deleted]
>
>Twain's middle name was "Langhorn" if I'm not mistaken.:-)

I'm not trying to flame, but SHEESH, all of you got it wrong. Mark Twain's
real middle name is "Langhorne".

-Samir
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Dolphins!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:35:00 GMT

In article <64363@cup.portal.com> DonD@cup.portal.com (Don Robert DeCosta) writes:
>>"In the _Galaxy_ class starship, ongoing Guidance and Navigation
>>system research tasks are handled by a mixed consultation crew of
>>twelve _Tursiops truncatus_ and _T. truncatus gilli_, Atlantic and
>>Pacific bottlenose dolphins, respectively. This crew is overseen by
>>two additional cetaceans, _Orcinus orca takayai_, or Takaya's Whale.
>>All theoretical topics in navigation are studied by these elite
>>specialists, and their recommendations for system upgrades are
>>implemented by Starfleet."
>>
>
>Ahh... Why did you bring this up?  Now I'm forced to comment and somebody's
>gonna tell me to get a life.... Oh well, here goes...
>
>If in the 24th century we have established enough communcication with marine 
>mammals to use them for 3D navigation consultants then we have to assume they
>are sentient beings... right????  Don't YOU view taking a sentient being and
>sticking them in an aquarium on a space ship a little bit like slavery??? I 
>mean I doubt the Dolphins signed up with Starfleet for the great pay, what woul
>d
>a dolphin do with a paycheck?
>
>Don DeCosta           |The nice thing about sanity is|  VM/Nomad2
>DonD@cup.portal.com   |you can lose it more than once|  Amiga/Imagine

Presumably the Dolphins are fully-fledged officers and/or crew as are the
other crew members.  "Lieutenant Flipper here sir!"
Any dolphins on the ship are no doubt there because they want to be there,
and should the Enterprise go visiting any worlds with oceans, it would be
the dolphins they would send to the oceans for exploration most likely.
The only reason we haven't seen such an episode featuring oceanic
exploration by either dolphins or human crew is no doubt expense of filming.
This would make an interesting book topic however.  Are you feeling up
to it Peter David?  

As for the paycheck thing, none of the crew get paychecks of any sort 
since money is not used in everyday life in the Federation.  Replicators
put paid to any material needs.
The only time we have heard the crew talk of money for their own personal
use is in "Encounter at Farpoint" I believe when Dr. Crusher is buying a
bolt of fabric from the mall on Farpoint Station.  
I would think Starfleet crew members get some money to use whenever they
visit planets where money would be useful or needed.
Further proof of the lack of currency trading in the Federation is
Picard's forgettint to bring money onto the holodeckj when  he plays
Dixon Hill in "Manhunt" and comments on how he keeps forgetting the need
to carry money.
The only other references to money are from the Ferengi, and we can see
that the monetary obsession of the Ferengi is another reason why the
crew don't really care for them too much.


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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Season Premiere - Worf gets beat up and makes it with a Dolphin
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 04:01:16 GMT

Well, I think that's funny.

						Steve

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From: schamber@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY)
Subject: Re: BABYLON 5: Rest of the Casting, First day of filming
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:49:58 GMT

In article <BszoD0.H24@cs.dal.ca> lazarus@ug.cs.dal.ca (Chuck Turner) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.171036.3858@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> flanigan@echo.gsfc.nasa.gov (Dennis Flanigan) writes:
>>In article <5661@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>, jsciv@vtucs.cc.vt.edu writes:
>>|> In article <1992Aug13.130011.13891@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>>|>
>>|> I disagree here.  I really think that this is the best place for updates 
>>|> of this kind.  This show is definitely not Trek, but it IS a sf tv show,
>>|> 
>>
>>What about rec.arts.sf.tv ?  The B5 posts that we see in r.a.s.c are also
>>posted in that group as well.  Untill rec.arts.b5, maybe all the talk about
>>b5 should be done in that group.
>
>I'd rather it stay here, as I can't get rec.arts.sf.tv.

I agree.

>What I'd REALLY like to know is how folks in Canada are gonna be able to
>see this show when it does go on the air.

How about a group to buy a satellite dish???    ;-)

I know one of my friends is crazy enough to buy one just for bab 5 and ds 9...

>						Chuck
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