From: jewell@MACE.CC.PURDUE.EDU (Larry Jewell)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: 'NamVet Newsletter, Vol.5, no.3 (6/6)
Date: 13 Sep 92 01:00:15 GMT


     this program is administered by the State Division of Employment 
     Benefits as well as the State Veterans Administration.  I have, 
     therefore, taken the liberty of contacting both of these State 
     Agencies bringing your case to their attention.
     
       Also, in our file it was noted that you still did not receive a 
     final determination regarding your request for Vocational 
     Rehabilitation and we note that you do have a scheduled 
     appointment with your Counselor on March XXX.
     
        I wish to assure you of our continued efforts in every respect 
     and I will keep you advised.
     
          With all good wishes,
     
                                   Sincerely,
     
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                                   ROBERT A. ROE
                                   Member of Congress
     
     
     cc:  Honorable Louis J. Gill
          Assemblyman - 36th District
     
          G. Joseph Peck, President/Service Officer
          VETLink #1 
     
















































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                      Department of Veterans Affairs
                              Medical Center
                          East Orange, NJ  07019
     
     February 5, 1991                      In Reply Refer To:  XXX/XXX
     
     Mr. G. Joseph Peck
     President/Service Officer
     Berkshire Veterans Center, Inc.
     P.O. Box 2056
     Pittsfield, MA  01202
     
     Dear Mr. Peck:
     
     This is in response to your correspondence regarding Mr. XXXXXXXXX 
     X. XXXXXXXX, XX XXX Street, Passaic, New Jersey, 07055.
     
     As we informed Congressman Robert Roe, who also wrote to us on 
     behalf of Mr. XXXXXXXXX, Mr. XXXXXXXXX applied to this Medical 
     Center for our XXXXXX XXXXX position in Fiscal Service, but the 
     position had already been filled by the time we received his 
     application.  Since we had another vacancy in Fiscal Service, that 
     of XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX, we reviewed Mr. XXXXXXXXX's application, 
     determined he was qualified for the position and referred his 
     application to the selecting official along with applications 
     received from other qualified candidates.  After considering all 
     the candidates, an individual who was employed with the Internal 
     Revenue Service was selected.
     
     In your letter you stated that Mr. XXXXXXX "was apparently not 
     considered for even a VRA appointment and/or trial period".  Both 
     you and Mr. XXXXXXXX should be assured that if Mr. XXXXXXXX is 
     selected for a position for which he qualifies, he may be given a 
     VRA appointment, or an appointment for veterans with a disability 
     of 30% or more, or some other type of appointment for which he 
     meets the eligibility requirements.  However, being eligible for 
     one of these appointments does not obligate a Federal agency to 
     hire the individual.  The applicant must still meet the 
     qualifications for the position and be selected by the selecting 
     official.
     
     We will continue to maintain Mr. XXXXXXXX's application on file 
     and refer it to selecting officials for consideration if the 
     qualifications for the position are met.
     
     We hope this information is helpful with your response to 
     Mr. XXXXXXXX.
     
     Sincerely,
     
     PETER BAGLIO
     Medical Center Director
     






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                  From a 1988-89 American Legion Handout
                          Input by: Gjoseph Peck
                         NamVet's Managing Editor
                        VETLink #1 - Pittsfield, MA
                              (413) 443-6313
      
                     AVAILABLE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES
       This  section  describes a variety of education,   training  and 
     employment   programs  available  to  veterans.     As  Employment 
     Chairman,   you  should  contact each to become familiar with  its 
     program.   In turn,   the staff would get to know you and what you 
     are trying to do for veterans.
       Your job begins with these programs,   but it doesn't end there.  
     New programs, new jobs, open up constantly.    Job information can 
     become available through any type of community contact -   school, 
     church,  bowling  league.    Wherever  you  go,    you're  meeting 
     potential employers and others who know about job openings.
     
                       EMPLOYMENT RELATED PROGRAMS
     STATE EMPLOYMENT SERVICE AGENCY
       A visit to the state Employment Service office (Job Service)  is 
     the  first step in every veteran's job hunt.    It is the  largest 
     single  source  of job information in the  country.    Over  2,000 
     local    offices  make  up  an  employment  team  with  nationwide 
     resources.
       By federal law and regulation,  veterans are to receive priority 
     in job counseling, referral, development,  testing,   and in other 
     areas as well.  Depending upon the veteran applicants,  each local 
     Job   Service  office  has appointed a  Local  Veteran  Employment 
     Representative (LVER)  and/or a Disabled Veterans Outreach Program 
     (DVOP)   specialist  whose  primary  function  is  to  assist  the 
     veteran.
       Additionally,    the   Job   Service  office  provides   current 
     information on job openings, training opportunities,  labor-market 
     information, and other information.
       It's   entirely  proper  for a member of  The  American  Legion, 
     particularly  a  Post  Employment Chairman,   to make  a  friendly 
     inquiry  about veteran services to either the local office manager 
     or the State Director for Veterans Employment.
       The letter or visit might include the following points:
          (1) Point     out    the   requirement   for   a    full-time 
              LVER/DVOP  in  specified local offices.   How many  local 
              offices   are  subject to this requirement?    Do any  of 
              these  offices not have a full time LVER/DVOP?   Is there 
              an approved exception, if called for?
          (2) Are  all  LVERs authorized and trained to be  "functional  
              supervisors"   of   office-wide  employment  services  to 
              veterans?    Do  the LVERs regularly analyze services  to 
              veterans and bring any needed correction to the manager's 
              attention?   (Veterans should be directly helped  by  all 
              local office placement  and  counseling staff,  not  just 
              the  LVER/DVOP.  The  LVER  should have  the  freedom  to  
              review and evaluate services to veterans.)
          (3) Do  all  local offices observe the practice of  reviewing  
              each  veteran's  application every 30 days in  order   to  
              provide  helpful service?    How well do the offices meet 
              this requirement,  according to the local office analysis 
              and evaluation?
     
     
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          For the veteran,  real quality in employment assistance often 
     makes the difference between the payroll line and the unemployment 
     line.
     
          Don't forget, such inquiries are a part of the Legion's "Jobs 
     for Veterans' programs.
     
     VETERANS EMPLOYMENT SERVICE
       The Veterans Employment Service of the U.S.  Department of Labor 
     has   over  the  decade  grown and matured  into  a  separate  and 
     independent  component  of  the department.    Now  headed  by  an 
     Assistant Secretary of Veterans Employment,  who must be appointed 
     by the President and confirmed by the Senate,   the ASVE serves as 
     the   principal  advisor  to the Secretary of  Labor  on  veterans 
     affairs   as  well  as  having direct  control  over  all  veteran 
     programs within the department.
       The   Office  of Assistant Secretary for Veterans Employment  is 
     comprised    of   the   VES   and  its   nationwide   network   of 
     State/Assistant   State  Director for Veterans Employment  and  an 
     office of Policy, Planning and Legislation.
       The  office of the VES has responsibility for:    VES  personnel 
     and  duties,  the  Disabled Veterans Outreach  Program,   national 
     veteran programs and the mandatory job listing.
       As   every  state  is assigned one State Director  for  Veterans 
     Employment,  and  depending  upon  the  veteran  population,    an 
     Assistant  State  Director for Veterans Employment,   it  is  most 
     important   that  you establish and maintain a  relationship  with 
     these  individuals.    They should serve as an excellent  resource 
     expert on veteran employment training issues and programs.
       The  name and address of your SDVE can be secured from the state 
     Employment Commission or by contacting the:
           Office of Assistant Secretary for Veterans Employment
                         U.S. Department of Labor
                                Room S1315
                        200 Constitution Ave., N.W.
                          Washington, D.C.  20210
     
     LOCAL VETERANS EMPLOYMENT REPRESENTATIVE
       Nearly   every one of the more than 2,000 nationwide Job Service 
     offices    is  to  have  assigned  a  Local  Veterans   Employment 
     Representative (LVER).   This individual is to service the veteran 
     and to provide "functional supervision"  of office-wide employment 
     services to veterans.
       Additionally,    the  LVER  is  to  provide  the  veterans  with 
     registration, counseling, job development and other services.
     
     DISABLED VETERANS OUTREACH PROGRAM
       First   begun  under the Comprehensive Employment  and  Training 
     Act,   the  DVOP was made a permanent federally funded program  by 
     enactment  of  PL 96-466.    By statutory formula there are to  be 
     just   over  2,000 nationwide full time specialists  stationed  in 
     local  Job  Service offices,   VA facilities such as the  Outreach 
     Centers, and elsewhere.
       DVOP  specialists are to provide to disabled and other veterans: 
     job   development/training,   outreach,    assistance  to   LVERs, 
     counseling    and   promotion  of  employment  opportunities   for 
     veterans.
       Both  DVOP specialists and LVERs will serve as excellent veteran 
     employment training reference sources.
     
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     OFFICE OF FEDERAL CONTRACT COMPLIANCE PROGRAM
       By  federal  law,   any  contractor or subcontractor who  has  a 
     contract   with  the federal government for $10,000 or  more  must 
     have,  and promote,   an affirmative action program for the hiring 
     and   promotion  of  eligible Vietnam era  veterans  and  disabled 
     veterans.
       They   must  file  this plan with the local Job  Service  office 
     which services its area.   In turn,   the Job Service office is to 
     refer qualified veterans.
       This   requirement can be of great significance to veterans  who 
     reside  in  areas of major contractors.    You  should  thoroughly 
     discuss   this  law  with  the LVER/DVOP and  State  Director  for 
     Veterans' Employment to ensure maximum veteran participation.
       Questions  concerning this requirement should be directed to the 
     SDVE or Office of Assistant Secretary for Veterans Employment.
     
     REEMPLOYMENT RIGHTS
       This   program  enables  a veteran  discharged  under  honorable 
     conditions   who  formerly held a permanent job to return  to  the 
     position    he  would  have  attained  (or  another  position   of 
     comparable  seniority,  status  and  pay)   had he not  served  on 
     military  duty.    His entitlement includes all benefits he  would 
     have  received  had he not been absent,  such as  seniority,   pay 
     increases, and for retirement and pension calculations.
       The   veterans  must  be  qualified to do the job  to  which  he 
     returns.   If  disabled  in service,   the veteran is entitled  to 
     another job of comparable seniority,  status and pay.    The Local 
     Veterans   Employment Representative can provide information about 
     the specific requirement for reemployment.
       For more information, contact the Veterans'  Reemployment Rights 
     representative at your area Dept. of Labor office or:
           Office of Assistant Secretary for Veterans Employment
                  Office of Veterans Reemployment Rights
                         U.S. Department of Labor
                                Room S1315
                        200 Constitution Ave., N.W.
                          Washington, D.C.  20210
     
     TARGETED JOB TAX CREDIT
       This  program gives eligible Vietnam era veterans better odds at 
     finding  a  job.    TJTC gives a tax break to employers  who  hire 
     persons  in one of seven "target groups"   which includes eligible 
     Vietnam  era veterans.    Veterans who think they may be  eligible 
     should   go to their State Employment Service office and ask for a 
     "TJTC Applicant Characteristic Form."   If eligible,   the veteran 
     will   receive  a TJTC voucher to take to job interviews  to  show 
     employers  they  will get a tax break by hiring him.    This is  a 
     form of on-the-job training.
     
     JOB TRAINING PARTNERSHIP ACT OF 1982
       Enacted   into  law  in  late  1982,    the  JTPA  replaced  the 
     Comprehensive  Employment and Training Act.    Greater latitude is 
     placed  on state governors as to how federal training funds are to 
     be allocated given federal guidelines.
       Governors   are to appoint advisory councils and boards who will 
     determine  the expenditure of funds.    Although not  specifically 
     assigned  to  these  councils and  boards,   there  remains  ample 
     language  to allow veteran representation.    It would no doubt be 
     
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     to   your  advantage to ensure adequate veteran representation  on 
     all councils and boards.
       Unlike  CETA,   the JTPA does not identify veteran as a specific 
     target  group  to be served,  unless,  of course,   they are  made 
     eligible by other criteria.
       In  any event,   you should become familiar with the working  of 
     the JTPA in your area to ensure veteran participation.
     
     NATIONAL VETERAN EMPLOYMENT TRAINING PROGRAMS
       Under  Title IV of the Job Training Partnership Act,   there  is 
     established    a  national  veteran  employment  training  program 
     administered   by  the Office of Assistant Secretary  of  Veterans 
     Employment.
       By  the way of grants or contracts,   funds are provided to meet 
     the needs of eligible veterans at the local level.
       Guidance,   monitoring  and technical advice are provided by the 
     respective State Director for Veterans Employment.
       Not   only  should  you  ensure veteran  participation  in  this 
     program;  but,  if  feasible,   consider establishing a program of 
     your own.
       Advice   on programs can be secured from your State Director  or 
     by   contacting  the  Office of Assistant Secretary  for  Veterans 
     Employment.
     
     OFFICE OF PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT
       Qualifying   veterans  are  entitled to  preference  in  federal 
     employment throughout the country.   This may be accomplished in a 
     number of ways:
          (1)  All  physical  requirements are waived for veterans  who  
               are  physically  able  to  perform  the  duties  of  the 
               position.
          (2)  Regulations prohibiting the filing of applications after 
               the closing date of an exam may be waived.
          (3)  Extra  points may be added to a veteran's Civil  Service 
               test scores.
          (4)  Lists   of   eligible  applicants  give  preference   to 
               veterans.    When  an  agency passes over a veteran  and  
               selects a non-veteran,   its action is subject to review 
               by  the  Office of Personnel  Management,  and  disabled 
               veterans   passed  over  must be notified and  given  an      
               opportunity to respond.
          (5)  Veterans    are   given   credit   towards    experience 
               requirements for the time spent in military service.
          (6)  Preference  is  given  to veterans  for  retention  when 
               layoffs occur.
     
       By  federal law,  the positions of guards,   elevator operators, 
     messengers   and  custodians are reserved for  eligible  veterans.  
     Eligible   veterans should bear this requirement in mind when they 
     are looking for a position with the federal government.
       Like any other employer,  the government requires all applicants 
     to  complete  an  application form.    In this case it  is  an  SF 
     (Standard  Form)  171.     The  form  should  not  be  filled  out 
     hurriedly;  it  must be neat and legible (preferably  typed);   if 
     necessary,  supporting documents and/or continuation sheets may be 
     attached.    It  is important to tailor the form to the job  being 
     sought.   That  is,   attempt to match as closely as possible your 
     qualifications to the job desired;   be specific with your answers 
     and  use words that emphasize your abilities (advised,   directed, 
     
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     planned, coordinate,  etc.).   Finally,   always retain one or two 
     copies for your records,  information on veteran opportunities and 
     rights   in the federal service can be obtained by contacting  the  
     nearest Veterans Federal Employment Representative or:
                         Chief of Veteran Programs
                      Office of Personnel Management
                            1900 E Street, N.W.
                          Washington, D.C.  20415
       It   should be remembered also that the Veterans Preference  Act 
     of  1944,   and  subsequent pertinent legislation as well  as  the 
     Postal   Service Reform Act of 1978 require the Postal Service  to 
     observe,   promote  and enforce all rights and benefits guaranteed 
     to  veterans.   If there is a Postal installation near  you,   you 
     should  establish a rapport with the Affirmative Action officer to 
     learn more of the installation's DVAAP, VRA,   30 percent disabled 
     and other veteran hiring programs.
       Some   state  and  local government bodies  give  preference  to 
     veterans.     You  may  wish  to  check  your  area  to  determine 
     eligibility   requirements.     It  may  be  discovered  that  the 
     government   bodies  have no form of veterans preference  or  that 
     veterans preference is being weakened,  in which event you must be 
     prepared to mount a counter-effort.
     
     VETERANS READJUSTMENT APPOINTMENTS
       This   program provides special federal civilian jobs to VEVs on 
     a  non-competitive basis.    Appointments may be made to  veterans 
     with  other than dishonorable discharges,   with at least 180 days 
     of  active duty during the Vietnam era;  or less,   if there is  a 
     service-connected disability.   ("Active duty for training"   does 
     not qualify.)
       A   veteran  can  hold  the  appointment as  long  as  he  shows 
     satisfactory  progress in his education or training program and on 
     the   job.    After  two  years  of  satisfactory  service,    the 
     appointment    automatically  becomes  a  regular  civil   service 
     appointment.
       For   information,    contact  your  regional  Veterans  Federal 
     Employment  Representative,   the Federal Job Information  Center, 
     or:
                      Office of Personnel Management
                         Chief, Veterans Programs            
                      address listed on previous page
     
     30 PERCENT DISABLED PROGRAM
       Like  the  VRA,   the  30  percent disabled is  a  special  non-
     competitive   hiring authority for any eligible veterans rated  30 
     percent or more disabled.
       Federal   agencies  who  have this program  conduct  a  training 
     program; at the conclusion,   appointments are made to the regular 
     Civil Service.
       For  more information,   contact the Federal Veterans Employment 
     Representative or the Chief of Veteran Programs,  OPM at the above 
     address.
     
     DISABLED VETERANS AFFIRMATIVE ACTION PROGRAM
       Every   federal  agency and installation is to have an  approved 
     Affirmative   Action  plan  for  the  hiring  and  advancement  of 
     qualified disabled veterans.
       Also,   every  agency  and  installation  has  assigned  in  its 
     personnel  office an Affirmative Action officer who handles DVAAP.  
     
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     If  there is an agency and/or installation near you,   you  should 
     contact   the veteran official to learn more of its DVAAP and  VRA 
     and 30 percent programs.
       It   may  also be advantageous to establish a rapport with  this 
     official   and  invite  him/her  to speak  at  official  meetings, 
     conferences, etc.
     




















































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                     Research Help Requested - Site-85
                              By Hugh Taylor
                       Submitted by: Lefty Frizzell
                   NamVet's Need-To-Know Section Editor
                   The Executive Washroom - Katy, Texas
                              (713) 347-2558
     
      I  am in the process of researching a book on the fall of Site-85 
     near Phou Pha Thi, Sam Nuea Province, Laos, March 11, 1968. I plan 
     to  cover  not only the establishment,  operation and loss of  the 
     site  but what has happened to the families of the men lost  there 
     since. As I pick up more on the possibility that some of those men 
     were taken prisoner and may be still alive,  that will be included 
     also.
       I would appreciate it if anyone with information on this subject 
     would  leave a message on the board.  I'll either contact you here 
     or give you a personal call as you desire.
       I've  been working on this project for more than three years and 
     it  looks  as  if  I have a major publisher  truly  interested  in 
     backing  the  project.  This  is  a hot one and could  be  a  real 
     barnburner for the entire MIA/POW effort. When the American people 
     hear about this one,  they'll demand that something be done to get 
     the government off its dead ass and do something.
       For  you  info:  I'm a retired Navy  Commander,  Naval  Aviator, 
     currently  working as a writer.  I just recently moved to Roswell, 
     NM, to get out of the Los Angeles ratrace so I can do some serious 
     research and writing.  I was light attack and have some 30 reasons 
     for  wanting to get an accurate accounting of our people.  Not the 
     least of those reasons is the father of my son-in-law.
       Thanks  and  I'll  keep watching the board.  I see a  number  of 
     familiar names on here. It's good to be among friends.
     
                           Let's bring 'em home!
     
                                   Hugh
     























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                         Input by: Lefty Frizzell
                   NamVet's Need-To-Know Section Editor
                   The Executive Washroom - Katy, Texas
                              (713) 347-2558
     
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     GET SOME, Custer, SD.  (1:109/312.348)
     GreyEagle - Falls Church, Va. 703-534-0177  (1:109/312)
     Grimace BBS >>> Ft. George G. Meade's Only Fido BBS! <<<
     HandiNet B B S Virginia Beach, VA (804)496-3320 (1:275/429.0)
     HARDWIRED - The WOCin' Bug Zapper (1:124/4210.0)
     HBX/EDS Vietnam Vet "In-Touch" Point 1:109/316.1 
     Hirschfeld Law Office - Phoenix AZ (1:114/74.2)
     If you don't like this wait, it will change (1:30022/3)
     In your heart, you know I'm right (1:114/74.4)
     Info-Net/Police-Net BBS (1:106/911)
     INTERSTATE BBS NETWORK Sea WA (206)631-3231 450 Meg (1:343/36)
     Jim's Hooch,Once part of Meyers Motel-21st SOS (301)866-8613
     KIA USS Liberty = Scum; Mama, Your Son Could Be Next! (1:160/230)
     KIC-BBS (1:108/89.0)
     Leaders In Control (1:106/116.0)
     Live Free or Die! (1:132/130)
     Long_Island RB (Opus 1:102/138)
     LSO Systems * Everett WA * (RAX 1:343/17.28)
     McScott's NorthEast Arkansas' VetLink  -HST- (1:389/2001)
     Melancholy Mikes (1:305/109.0)
     Mountain Retreat  *  Felton Ca  *  408-335-4595 (1:143/506)
     My eXpress Response System Point-Less Point (RAX 1:343/17.28)
     Nat'l.Cong.for Men & Children (602)8404752 Voice(202)FATHERS
     NCC-1701: "Beam me up, Scotty!!" (1:124/1701.0)
     Nerd's Nook (216)-356-1431  -  HST   (1:157/3)
     NET 3603/Region 18 Hub - Cat House BBS! - HST/14.4 (1:3603/210)
     Network Echogate (1:129/34)
     Network Gateway to RBBS-NET  (RBBS-PC 1:10/8)
     New Orleans MUG Multi-Line * RA/D'Bridge * PEP/V.32 * (1:396/13)
     NEW Safe Shareware & Multi-Line BBS HST 714-952-2110 (1:103/227)
     Nick's Nest  (612) 490-3415 - (612) 490-0341 HST (1:282/3.0)
     Nightline BBS (1:203/39.0)
     Northwestern's - ACNS (WOC'n a thin line) HST, NEC 1:115 (Opus
     Now and Zen Opus HST (916) 962-1952 (1:203/34.0)
     NPI III (617) 592-5772 Lynn, MA 01904 (1:101/193.0)
     OIS/DSMUG BBS - Capitol of the First State (1:150/201)
     Ol'Codger's "Hats OFF" to our VETS 714-639-1139 (1:103/301)
     Ole Tinbrain - Charleston, SC  (1:372/1)
     One of many 'YELLOW RIBBON'homes (1:138/116)
     Passing Thru [1:107/3] (107/583)
     PC-Express *Multiline HST* - Milwaukee, WI 414/327-5300  (154/200)
     Pinecliffe BBS (303)-642-7463, Multi-Line (1:104/28.0)
     Pioneer Valley PCUG1 (1:321/109)
     Point of Sunnyvale Fido Connection (408) 738-1119 (1:143/207.1)
     ProtoStar (1:13/13.0)
     Quadram (A Trilogy Affiliate) Newport News, Virginia (1:271/230)
     Rendezvous, San Diego - 619-275-1040 - 9 lines, 600 MEG (202/718)
     
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     RiverCity MailBox Austin TX 512-327-5376 (1:382/4.0)
     Scott's Bunker  (1:106/449.1)
     SeaEast Exchange BBS (1:343/15)
     SeaHunt BBS, Burlingame, CA 415-344-4348 (1:125/20)
     SeaMist Point Alpha  (1:343/6.1)
     Self-Help&Sciences of the Mind-Multi-Line 714-952-2110(1:103/227)
     Semper Paratus! - VetPoint 72 (1:321/203.72)
     Sonoma Online, RFE! 707/545-0746 Fido V12S/HST (1:125/7)
     SOX! Military spouses count too! (305) 821-3317 Hialeah, FL
     Still in after 24 years (1:389/2001.3)
     SURFBOARD BBS (805-483-1467) Oxnard, CA (1:206/2506.0)
     Texas Father's for EQUAL Rights, Houston, TX (1:106/1555.0)
     The  F e d e r a l  Post  -*-  Fayetteville, NC (1:151/301.0)
     The "Sandbox" Newport News, Va. (804) 874-5832       (1:271/210)
     The AIDS Chat Line HST-14.4 SDS/SDN/DDS  (1:130/55)
     The Broken Rose BBS-Hear Our Songs-[CASAC]-(916)971-0589 (203/11)
     The Ca Self-Help Library SDN Software 714-952-2110 (1:103/228)
     The Chai Way - Dallas, Texas - (214) 239-7607 (1:124/4106)
     The Edge of the Pacific Rim: Azusa Pacific (1:102/895)
     The Executive Washroom -- An Alternet System (1:106/449.0)
     The Federal Post  - * -  Fayetteville, NC (1:151/301.0)
     The Fireside Houston, Texas (713)496-6319 (1:106/114.0)
     The Gordian Knot (1:261/1095)
     The Helix  (1:343/74)
     The Homestead, Nashville TN (615)385-9421  HST (1:116/3000)
     The Hoosier Heart's Land (BareFoot Bliss) (1:231/290.0)
     The Intensive Care Unit II BBS  1:139/940  (1:139/940)
     The Jimby BBS! *  QMX/XRS Response System (Quick 1:350/21.2)
     The Jolly Green Giant (USAF Rescue) - (1:366/38)
     The Just Talk BBS - Calgary - 403-273-5697 (1:134/30.0)
     The Landing Zone - HOT!Safety here - Jesus walks point.(1:105/12)
     The Last Frontier Graham,Wa (206)847-8168 (1:138/136) (1:138/136)
     The Leaders in Control  (1:106/116)
     The Lighthouse BBS   Austin, TX (512) 389-2839 (1:382/22.0)
     The McMaster Family ReUnion, RBBS-NET(8:924/1)  FidoNet (1:375/20)
     The Medical Forum: Jacksonville, NC (919)455-1075 (1:3614/106)
     The Memory Board (916)361-7016  (1:203/530.0)
     The NETWORK Echogate [8:70/0] (1:129/34.0)
     The No*Name BBS, Norfolk VA (804)622-5236 (1:275/7)
     THE REAL AMERICAN BBS [Mpls, MN] **612-535-3196** (1:282/71)
     The Sandbox Newport News Va (804)874-5832 (1:271/210)
     The Soldier's Bored, Ft. Gordon, Ga. <<HST-DS>> (1:360/12)
     The Toy Room BBS * Hudson, Nh * 603-886-5722 HST (1:132/159)
     THE TROJAN EXPRESS - V V A CHAPTER #25 - WPB FL - DS HST -
     The Williamsburg Trilogy (804)872-7171 (1:271/225)
     The Zoo BBS   (1:108/50)
     There are only two kinds of ships: Subs & targets  HST V42
     Think Tank II - Spokane, Wa -=We DO Windows!=- (1:346/8)
     Thunder & Lightning for a KRACKling good time! (1:375/20.4)
     Trilogy: A Rainbow Connection (804)872-7171 (1:271/225)
     United we shall NEVER be defeated-God Bless the U.S.A.(1:105/204)
     USCATCOM * Quaboag Valley  Ware MA  HST (413)967-9541 (1:321/131)
     VETLink #1 - Home of the Floppy Disk VetCenter  (1:321/203)
     VetPoint 707 "VetCenter on a Floppy Disk!" (1:321/203.707)
     Vietnam Veterans' Valhalla (408)298-2740 D'Bridge/Max (1:143/27)
     Vietnam Vets on <<< SYSTEM ONE >>> (803) 556-1999 (1:372/111)
     View from the Icehouse (1:106/449.1)
     Village BBS, Mahopac, NY  914-621-2719 *HST* (1:272/63)
     Vote the Incumbents out of office. HST 505-437-8267 (1:308/60)
     
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     Vox Vietnam_Vet from RiverCity MailBox  (1:382/4.0)
     Winthrop's BBS - Rock Hill, SC 803-323-2369  (376/34)
     WVAU BBS (1:2230/111.0)
     Yorktown Opus - Not Saudi Arabia Again!!! (1:271/201.0)
     ZEPHYR, HST National Capital Area, 703-620-5418 (TComm 1:109/124)
     Lansing Forum Michigan - 517-337-0624 - (1:159/500)
     




















































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         Some Gave ALL ...                      Some Still Give!!!
     
     
     
               O                                      O
                O                    SOME GAVE ALL  ...
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        !         O                                O               !
        ! pow mia pow mia - BRING THEM HOME NOW! - pow mia pow mia !
        !           O                            O                 !
        ! ~~~~~ ~ ~  O~   ~~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~ O ~~ ~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~ !
        ! ~~~~ ~ ~~   O ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~  ~~~  ~~ ~O~~~ ~~~  ~ ~~~~ ~~ !
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        ! ~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ /(O)       / O \ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~ ~ ~ !
        ! ~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~  /          / O   \~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~ !
        !  ~~ ~ ~  ~~ ~~ / PRISONER /       \~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~ ~ ~~~~~~ !
        ! ~  ~~ ~~ ~~ ~ /          / MISSING \~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~ ~ ~~ !
        ! ~~~  ~ ~~ ~~ /   OF     /\          \~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~ !
        ! ~ ~~~~ ~~ ~ /          /  \   IN     \~ ~~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~  !
        ! ~~~  ~~~ ~ /    WAR   / ~~ \          \  ~~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ ~~ !
        ! ~ ~~ ~~ ~ /          / ~ ~~ \  ACTION /  ~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~ !
        ! ~~ ~~ ~~~(__________/ ~~ ~~~ \       /   ~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ !
        ! ~~~~~ ~~ ~ ~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~~~ \     /  ~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~ !
        ! ~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~ ~~~ \   / ~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~  !
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        ! ~ ~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~ ~~
        !  ~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~ SOME STILL GIVE
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        ! ~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ !
        ! mia pow mia pow - BRING THEM HOME NOW! - mia pow mia pow !
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