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From: ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Ctl-alt-del bug? Was: My trip report
Date: 9 Nov 92 09:59:24 GMT
 <1992Oct26.191932.1553@bilver.uucp> <1djmkcINNjd3@travis.csd.harris.com>
Organization: Forschungszentrum Juelich

In article <1djmkcINNjd3@travis.csd.harris.com>, kbeal@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com
(Ken Beal) says:
>
>In article <1992Oct26.191932.1553@bilver.uucp> dandrews@bilver.uucp (Dave
>Andrews) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct26.030423.5779@fcom.cc.utah.edu> brian@jaguar.cs.utah.edu
>(Brian Sturgill) writes:
>>>Word from James Taylor, Team Leader for WPS in Boca Raton.
>>>Under the GA release do _NOT_ use Ctrl-Alt-Delete to restart the
>>>machine, things can screw up.  This should be fixed in the
>>>Service Pack.
>>>
>>
>>Brian, what does he mean when he says "things can screw up"?
>        When I have done this, I ended up losing any changes I made to
>icons, folders, etc. -- things on the Desktop.  Nothing *else* bad happened,
>but that was bad enough (i.e. no files were corrupted, just the changes
>didn't get saved).

I don't know where I read it, perhaps in the README file, but that is _exactly_
 the way it is supposed to work. C_A_D only flushes the file system buffers.
It doesn't save any changes you made to the WPS or to your Winword documents or
to your AUTOCAD drawings or whatever. Use shutdown instead. If that doesn't
work you are in trouble anyway cause somehow WPS is already screwed up.
I thinks one could expect WPS to not screw up, but expecting it to screw up
_and_ to work properly at the same time is a bit much.

Michael Bode.
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: What's in the CSD (SP)?
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:23:50 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <1ddce1INNcbk@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong) writes:

>Well, now that I installed the CSD (or SP as some calls it), I have to
>ask, what did I just gain? I know there is a spapar.txt file which
>contains the list of all the patches and fixes it contains. And I know
>that this CSD gives us the 32 bit graphics engine (I have an ATI card so
>I don't get to use it yet... :( ). But I thought this CSD is also the
>one with the Win 3.1 compatibility add-on along with the multi media
>add-on. I can't see any multimedia related icons anywhere. Now do I see
>Win 3.1 stuff under Win-os2. In fact, everything looks the same and I
>did the full update. Am I missing something here? I especially was
>looking forward to things like sound driver icon in win-os2, media
>player, attach sounds to events.... like Win 3.1. So to clarify, what
>are we getting with this CSD? Thanks.

The Win-OS2 3.1 stuff combined with the 32-bit graphics engine is in
Beta right now, and scheduled to be released by the end of the year.


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From: josephc@cco.caltech.edu (Joseph Chiu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: WINOS2 and TsengVGA Driver - Protection Fault all the time
Date: 6 Nov 1992 01:23:28 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

It seems like my GIF viewer (WinGIF14), drawing program (Arts&Letter's
Apprentice), and PCB Layout software (Protel for Windows, Demo) _ALL_
crash after a while in full-screen WINOS2 with the Tseng Drivers.

I did not have this problem in the past (pre-CSD) with Trident drivers
on a Trident 8900C, nor (to the best I can recall) after the CSD while
I was still running the Trident VGA+Driver.

In fact, when the Tseng Drivers (On my Orchid PDIIs) are used, the 
WINOS2 "fault" message is in the Tseng .DRV's.

Anyone have any comments?  Suggestions?
-- 
Joseph Chiu, Dept. of Computer Science, Caltech.    josephc@coil.caltech.edu
1-57 California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA 91126. +1 818 449 5457 
* Now running OS/2, the best software that $89 can buy! (I want TCP/IP/X!) *
From: Larry.Burns@f3333.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Larry Burns)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Reconfiguring To Multipl
Date: 8 Nov 92 20:30:04 GMT



kjb@calmasd.prime.com (Ken Brucker) asks:

KB>I'm planning on reconfiguring my system this weekend to partition my disk
and
KB>get HPFS running.  I've got a 120Mb hard drive to work with and was
wondering
KB>what the general net.wisdom is for configuring the drive.  My system is a
KB>386/33 with 8Mb.

KB>I'd like to put OS/2 in it's own partition running HPFS.  
KB>How large should this partition be?
KB>Would you recommend making two or three partitions for data/applications? 
Any
KB>recommendations on keeping them as FAT vs. HPFS partitions?

I have a mixture.  My OS/2 boot disk is HPFS.  I use this disk for 
frequently used files specific to OS/2 (like the swapper files and OS/2 
utilities).  I have a DOS FAT boot disk for running the one program that 
refuses to behave under OS/2 (America OnLine (AOL) / Geoworks).  This
partition is just large enough for DOS and DOS utils and AOL..  These two 
boot disks cannot both be visable at the same time, so I have a third 
partitton (which is FAT) for sharing data and programs in both environments. 
I'd recommend 50 meg for HPFS boot disk, 5-10 meg for DOS boot disk (FAT),
50-55 meg FAT disk for shared data.

KB>Has anyone had problems with DOS software running from an HPFS volume?  Or
KB>games like Civilization?

I've had no problems.  If you use the long filenames, DOS programs (and some
OS/2 programs) cannot see them.  But there are no problems if you stick to 
8.3 format.  OS/2 does a good job of insulating the application from the 
file system, so it does not know whether it is using FAT or HPFS.

KB>And since I'm looking at going with HPFS, are there any good backup packages
KB>out there that work with HPFS?  I'd prefer shareware so I can try them out
KB>first.

The only sure backup right now may be OS/2 BACKUP command.

                                -Good Luck
                                               -Larry


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Logitech MENU and CLICK programs
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:43:04 GMT

In article <byafuso.720745949@athena> byafuso@athena.qualcomm.com (Byron Yafuso) writes:
>I'm a new OS/2 user, so I apologize if this question has been answered 
>before.
>I've been able to use my Logitech mouse with programs in VDM and OS/2 DOS
>windows for DOS programs which have mouse support.  I've long been using
>the MENU and CLICK commands which came with my Logitech mouse with DOS
>programs that didn't have mouse support.  Is there any way to use MENU
>and CLICK in an OS/2 DOS window using the mouse programs included with 
>OS/2?

Probably not, but you can try running the "stub" mouse driver
\OS2\MDOS\MOUSE before running MENU/CLICK.  That just might do the
trick.

Or try a specific DOS session, again with the stub mouse driver.  See
Appendix E of the Installation Guide and/or the online Command
Reference (under "VMDISK") for more information.

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Subject: Re: Using names instead of E: for drives
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:36:27 GMT

In <1992Nov11.023401.3370@networx.com> mikel@networx.com (Mike Lempriere) writes:

>You're right.  OS/2 inherited several VERY BAD things from DOS.
>a)  The notion of the drive (ie. drive letters) as opposed to a homogeneous
>    file system with drives grafted in whereever desired.
>b)  The "8.3" filename limit.
>c)  UPPER CASE FILENAMES.
>d)  No concept of links (multiple filenames for a single data group).

>All of these are filesystem problems.  Items b) and c) have been addressed
>by HPFS, although items a) and d) were completely ignored.  Item b) is still
>not really fixed by HPFS, as one must (basically) stick with the damn "8.3"
>convention if one may ever use a floppy (eg for backup!).

Item d) was addressed to some extent by the use of "shadows", which have
some resemblance to symbolic links.  Though I still haven't figured out
enough about SOM programming to know how to access them from the
filesystem.  As for the 8.3 stuff, there's no reason to stick with that
at all.  The BACKUP program supplied with OS/2 will let you back up
files with long names, as will all the other backup systems I've seen.

If you're sticking with 8.3, 'cause you're afraid that you won't be able
to back up otherwise, relax!  I've backed up my xxx.tar.Z files with no
problems whatsoever.

-- 
Chris Waters    | the insane don't | "Don't you boys know NICE songs?"
xtifr@netcom.COM| need disclaimers |                 -- Joe's mama
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: Re: TE/2 vt100 emulation problem
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:36:50 GMT

djbpitt+@pitt.edu (David J Birnbaum) writes:

>I like TE/2 in general, but I use vi constantly and the problem is so
>frequent as to be a serious impediment to getting my work done. Any
>suggestions?

Switch to PMCOMM until the TE/2 emulation is fixed.
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
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From: frank@cs.yorku.ca (Frank Pikelner)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Programing question for OS2
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:34:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: yetti.1557
Distribution: world
Organization: York University, Dept. of Computer Science

Hello everyone,


I've had a question asked of me regarding programing in OS2. In very simple
terms, is it possible to write a program to be run under OS2, or a DOS session
in OS2 such thank the last x number of MB of memory are reserved (protected)
for the application. This protected memory must always be garanteed to belong to the program. The program will only use this memory and none other, also not the
OS or other programs can use this memory. I do not think this is possible since the memory must be managed by OS2, but I may be wrong. I'd love to hear your
replies. 

Thanks in advance to all,
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From: santeew@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu (Wes Santee)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Boot Mgr w/386BSD v0.1
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:14:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Nov6.201415.14150
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.

Quick question:

Can OS/2's boot manager see 386BSD v0.1 partitions?
Does it know how to activate them?

Thx,

-- 
Wes Santee             | "I think it's about time we voted for senators
santeew@cs.uoregon.edu |  with breasts.  After all, we've been voting
                       |  for boobs long enough."
                       |       -Claire Sargent on women senators
From: frigo@psl.wisc.edu (Sean P. Frigo UW-Madison SRC (608)877-2332,-2001(FAX))
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Mouse drag locks OS/2 -why ?
Date: 7 Nov 92 05:03:51 GMT
Reply-To: frigo@psl.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Physical Science Lab

In article <BxApFt.yt@brunel.ac.uk>, me90plb@brunel.ac.uk (Paul L Barnfather) writes:
>First off - I think the CSD is great BUT read on...
>
>If I've got a number of apps running (including seamless windows), with
>swapfile at around 10MB (on 8MB system), and I go and grag a file object onto
>a program object, the following happens (about 50% of the time):
>
>Mouse pointer disappears
>Keyboard locks
>All programs freeze
>Desktop freezes 
>
>This needs a *COLD* reboot to clear. It happens during the drag - I don't get
>as far as 'dropping' the file object.
>
>This only started after I installed the CSD. Its extremely annoying - I've
>started 'avoiding' doing drag & drop and use File.. Load... instead.
>
>Anybody got any ideas as to what's wrong. Usually I find OS/2 pretty stable.
>This is the sort of daft, repeatable crash that I used to *hate* with windows...
>
>Paul
> 
Well I see this everytime I dragged an icon under 2.0 GA when using the in
port mouse with an ATI Graphics Vantage 1MBs ONLY when I configure the
card to drive the monitor at a vertical refresh > 72 Hz.  Nobody replied
on the net, ATI claimed ignorance, and the IBM Tech support was clueless
too.  If the card was at 72 Hz, then no problem.

I also have the problem of dragging > 10 selected files in an open drive
folder (details view).  The movement is delayed and clunky--screen update
is only over size of real estate ~ area of an icon.

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UW-Madison SRC and Department of Physics                  bitnet:  frigo@wiscpsl
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From: tt17+@andrew.cmu.edu (Trevor Tompkins)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Installing OS/2
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:40:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8f0jaKa00Vp00C0VgT
Organization: Masters student, Philosophy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I am about to install OS/2 on my computer, but wonder about two ways of
doing this.  

Since some people have had some problems installing OS/2 with existing
software on the machine, I wonder if I should back up my Hard drive,
reformat it, install OS/2 on the empty machine, then restore the DOS
programs in a DOS session of OS/2.

OR
	
install OS/2 with the DOS software already on there and fix any problems
as they arrive.  

I would like to use the OS/2 file system exclusively, but am afraid to
choose that option if I use the second method.

Thanks for your responses.

--Trevor (on an eternal quest for the off switch on my computer)
From: djackson@axion.bt.co.uk (Dave Jackson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: winos2 won't work with OS2 2.01.1 (CSD applied)
Keywords: winos2,CSD
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:21:46 GMT
Reply-To: djackson@axion.bt.co.uk (Dave Jackson)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


In article <BxABGp.4o7@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jst50986@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jack S.
Tan) writes:
|> sonny@charybdis.harris-atd.com (Bob Davis) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <4039@rbiffm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>
|> jr@johanna.th.physik.uni-frankfurt.de writes:
|> >>When I double-click on the Win-OS2 icon in the command prompts folder
|> >>a window opens, there is a beep, and the message 
|> >>
|> >>FATAL Exit code = 0x0401 
|> >>
|> >>is displayed. Then the window closes again. 
|> >>Migrated windows applications also won' t work. 
|> >>When I start winos2.com from a DOS full screen I get the same 
|> >>Exit code as mentioned above.
|> >>Can anybody help? 
|> >>
|> 
|> >	The CSD installation also broke WIN-OS2 on my machine.
|> >With the original GA installation, WIN-OS2 worked on my EGA monitor
|> >system. My symptoms are precisely the same as those described above
|> >with the exception that I see NO error message.
|> 
|> >	How widespread is this problem and does anyone have a fix?
|> 
|> I had this under GA once.  The only problem is that I forgot what the exact
|> fix is.  It has something to do with the DOS/Win-OS2 settings, I think.  One
|> crude workaround is to selectively [re-]install DOS/Win-OS2 support.  You
|> might want to copy down the current settings, re-install, then compare.
|> Might come in handy in the future.
|> 
Sounds like your system.ini is corrupted, have a look at it with a text
editor, and correct any obvious mistakes (incorrect drivers, lines that
shouldn't be there, etc).

You can always unpack the default system.ini from your diskettes (I assume
there is one on the service pack collection somewhere). Look up 'unpack' in
the command reference. 


David J Jackson   Telephone +44 473 645805
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jst50986@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jack S. Tan)
Subject: Re: winos2 won't work with OS2 2.01.1 (CSD applied)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:57:59 GMT
Keywords: winos2,CSD

sonny@charybdis.harris-atd.com (Bob Davis) writes:

>In article <4039@rbiffm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> jr@johanna.th.physik.uni-frankfurt.de writes:
>>When I double-click on the Win-OS2 icon in the command prompts folder
>>a window opens, there is a beep, and the message 
>>
>>FATAL Exit code = 0x0401 
>>
>>is displayed. Then the window closes again. 
>>Migrated windows applications also won' t work. 
>>When I start winos2.com from a DOS full screen I get the same 
>>Exit code as mentioned above.
>>Can anybody help? 
>>

>	The CSD installation also broke WIN-OS2 on my machine.
>With the original GA installation, WIN-OS2 worked on my EGA monitor
>system. My symptoms are precisely the same as those described above
>with the exception that I see NO error message.

>	How widespread is this problem and does anyone have a fix?

I had this under GA once.  The only problem is that I forgot what the exact
fix is.  It has something to do with the DOS/Win-OS2 settings, I think.  One
crude workaround is to selectively [re-]install DOS/Win-OS2 support.  You
might want to copy down the current settings, re-install, then compare.
Might come in handy in the future.

To see the error, run in a window with the 'Close window on exit' setting in
the notebook de-selected (unchecked).

-- 

Jack Tan                                     Sattinger's Law:
j-tan2@uiuc.edu                     It works better if you plug it in.
From: pfr@drsrv1.hmi.de (Fritsch_Wolfgang)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: do NOT shrug of this FAQ !
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:39:41 GMT
Organization: Hahn-Meitner-Institut Berlin GmbH


YES, it is a FAQ.
But NO, it has not been answered to everybody's satisfaction!

The sync. problem with the Diamond Speedstar is still around. At the
4 installations around me with that card (Speedstar 24), the method
proposed by IBM and by various wizzards here does not work (svga off,
vmode monitor, svga on, load drivers, at boot in setmode.bat have a
vmode 38 for the 1024 resolution). The high resolution comes up but
sure it is interlaced or something. It is not the monitor which can do
better than 72 Hz. It is not the card/monitor combination since they
do work fine under Windows (excuse me). It is the way OS/2 and the
card interact, I assume.

Somebode promised here that he would post some extended IBM advice,
pending permission by IBM. I am waiting, and probably many more.
Anybody else has something meaningful to say, beyond the line
this-is-a-faq-and-everybody-but-this-turkey-knows-the-solution.

Wolfgang Fritsch
pfr@psun2.hmi.de

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: nmouawad@waterloo.edu (Naji Mouawad)
Subject: Re: OS/2 Trascan Imitation
Organization: University of Waterloo
	<1992Nov5.013419.19588@colorado.edu>
	<1992Nov5.152838.24137@athena.mit.edu>
	<1992Nov5.213918.18429@colorado.edu>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:25:11 GMT

(Doug McKnight)

   >>My approach may have already been mentioned, but what i did was to 
   >>make a template trashcan, "tear one off the pad" and when it is 
   >>full I just shred the whole trashcan. >

   >>Douglas



I am sorry to barge in this thread like so ... it is only recently
that I started working seriously in and around WP to customize it to
my liking.

My system being used by a second person who studies psychology. She
uses the computer to do her reports and now that she had become
uccostemed to the object-oriented approach, she is starting to enjoy
using a computer which is big plus to the WorkPlace Shell, given that
she has bad memories of the c: prompt

One of the few soar points is the recovery of deleted files. She still
has to:

1. open a Os/2 window
2. cd to the directory corresponding to here folder
3. issue the command "undelete file name"
4. close back the window
5. Apply a "refresh command" to the folder"

This is unduelly complicated. 

What she would like is something similar to what she saw on the Mac: a
trashcan which can be opened and from which one may remove objects.

Under the curent setting, Each partition has its own Delete folder. I
was wondering if it was possible to 

a) make one delete folder for all partitions.
b) hook the trashcan to that folder

In this case it becomes easy to retrieve thrown-away objects.

Based on the above I have two questions ?
 
  What does Douglas means by "throwing away the trashcan" ? Emptying
the Delete folder ? Is the trashcan related to the Delete folder at
all ?

  Is my tentative approach valid ? Are they problems I did not forsee
?

Please do post suggestions, ideas, approaches and I will summerize and
even suggest an inclusion into the FAQ. If this is being done already
I apologize in advance.

naji.

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From: Roger.Virta@f115.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (Roger Virta)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: OS/2 2.0 users in Mpls/St
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:25:34 -0600

Hi Greg.  I don't know if you've gotten any other responses to this,
but I thought I'd give this a try.  There is an OS/2 User Group in the
Twin Cities.  I went to my first meeting recently, and I'd highly
recommend it.  
   
As far as informtion about how/where, you can try the following.  (I'm
not sure how this information meshes with the internet addressing
scheme.  I'm dialed into a bulletin board locally which is the home
base for the User Group.)  The phone number is 379-8283.  Connect
speeds are 1200 - 16800. .... Oops, that's not the main number.  The
main number is 379-8272, which will roll over to others as needed.
   
If you don't have dial up access, the issue becomes more  clouded.
Depending on what Internet addresses etc. show up with this message,
you could try contacting Marcus Krumpholz at the same address and see
if you get a response.  (Marcu is the local coordinator here).  If he
gets the message, he should be able to respond with where for meetings
etc.
   
Anyway good luck !  Let me know if you get this message and how
successful you are in accessing the informtion here.
   
*** Rog ***


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