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From: Mike_Dustan@sfu.ca (Mike Dustan)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Indexing:  Is There A Better Way?
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:24:17 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University
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In article <STEVENO.92Nov3100350@novadyne.unidata.com> Steven J. Owens,
steveno@unidata.com writes:
>My department faces the task of indexing several extremely large
documents.
>Having indexed a 273 page and a 384 page document, I'm desperately
looking
>for a better method than the basic indexing process in frame.  Does
anybody
>know of one?

There's a Unix shareware program called fmixgen (or some such) which will
take a MIF file and a list of index terms and produce a new MIF file with
index markers everywhere those terms appear. I've used it with some
success. It's a a bit simplistic and tends to over-index a lot, but it's
certainly helpful for a first pass. Several Frame-aware FTP sites have
it; sorry I can't point you to a specific site off the top of my head.

The problem of indexing ranges becomes somewhat easier if you use the
<$autorange> component in your index format. Just include it before or
after the <$pagenum> for each index level on the reference page, and
Frame will automatically concatenate entries from consecutive pages into
a range-type entry. For example, "widgets 2,3,4,5,6,7,9,10,11" becomes
"widgets 2-9, 10-11".

Cheers
Mike Dustan, Computing Services, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC
Canada
From: dok_hfa@sovb50pki-nbg.philips.de (Hans-Juergen Faerber)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Bibliographies and all that
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:31:23 GMT
Reply-To: dok_hfa@pki-nbg.philips.de
Organization: Philips Communication Systems, Nuremberg, Germany


In article <1992Nov11.222229.29813@bmers18.bnr.ca>, Phil Buxton @BNR.ca (Phil Buxton) writes:
|> From: Phil Buxton @BNR.ca (Phil Buxton)
|> Subject: Bibliographies and all that
|> 
|> Create a std file separate from the test file and call it Biblio
|> When you want to enter a Biblio entry, go to the Biblio file
|> and enter an autonumbered style para that contains the info.
...
|> 
|> The only other thing that you may want to do is to order 
|> the list in some way.  After completing the document, you will 
|> have to manually sort the Biblio chapter.  
|> It wont destroy the markers and 
|> generate will correct all the references in the book.
|> 
|> Now if Frame will introduce a sort command......
...
Sounds great.
What about using the "Alphabetical List of Paragraphs" (APL)
to do the sorting in your Biblio-File? Just a thought ...

Regards

h.-j.
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From: exujbl@exu.ericsson.se (Jerry Blackerby 214-907-7810)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Page numbering in Books
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:11:04 GMT
Reply-To: exujbl@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

Adding the total page count in each page footer of a book is described
on page 4 of the FrameMaker 3.0 Release Notes.  It is a detailed procedure 
using a cross-reference to a paragraph tag.

I have used this procedure and it works.

Jerry
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From: rnt@druwa.ATT.COM (Bob Thomas)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Accessing building blocks in a user variable
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:24:24 GMT
Distribution: comp

in article <KLEHR.92Nov9144551@creamer.bellcore>, klehr@creamer.bellcore (Thomas J. Klehr) says:
> Nntp-Posting-Host: creamer.bae.bellcore.com
> 
> I am using the DRAFT user variable to put the word "Draft" on the
> bottom of master pages.  I would like to include the current date
> along with it (ie, Draft - November 9, 1992).  However, I don't want
> the date to appear on the final copy.
> 
> My intention was to add the date system variable to the DRAFT user
> variable.  However, Frame won't let me insert a system variable in a user
> variable definition.  Nor will it let me insert a building block in a
> user variable.
> 
> I don't want to add the date to the DRAFT variable by hand.
> 
> Have I missed something in the documentation?

I don't know whether you missed something. But, I handle
``DRAFT labeling'' by using conditional text.  So, at the
bottom of all Master pages I type ``DRAFT'', add the
``Current Date (Long)'' variable, and then assign the whole
mess to the ``Draft'' condition tag that I'd defined in the
``Conditional Text'' dialog box.  Then, for drafts I move
the ``Draft'' condition tag into the ``Show'' column and for
finals I move the ``Draft'' condition into the ``Hide'' column.

The disadvantage to this approach is when you have numerous
chapters.  It can take a lot of time to open each chapter and
mess with the ``Show/Hide Conditional Text'' dialog box to hide
the ``Draft'' condition.
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: bjz@sei.cmu.edu (Barbara Zayas)
Subject:  How long can you use FM?
Organization: Software Eng. Inst.;Carnegie-Mellon U.; Pittsburgh, PA 15213   _USA_
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:33:57 GMT


I've been having a lot of problems/pain with my right
shoulder/blade while (and after) I use FrameMaker.  It's from
using the mouse for extended periods of time (1-2 hour
stretches w/o a break).

Is this a common problem?  Is there anything I can do for
this?  How far should I be reaching to get to the mouse?
Right now, I reach such that my arm is almost totally
extended -- is this inappropriate posture?

Also, as a result of this problem, I'm trying now to learn
additional keyboard commands.  If you have any that aren't
advertised in the FM manuals, PLEASE pass them along.  I can
get around pretty well inside of files, but when I have to
use dialog boxes and swap between them and the file
(repeatedly), that's when the problem sets in.  Any tips
would be well appreciated.


Barbara Zayas				Software Engineering Institute
Information Management			Carnegie Mellon University
bjz@sei.cmu.edu				(412) 268-6378
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: gutzmann@acri.fr (Kurt Gutzmann)
Subject: Re: Framemaker Figures and Captions
Reply-To: gutzmann@acri.fr
Organization: Advanced Computer Research Institute
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:51:56 GMT

Another trick (single cell tables are one) is to put the figure title
in a text flow in the same anchored frame containing the figure.  The two
definitely stay together and keep their spacing relationships.  You may
need to jack around with the frame's spacing attribs as usual.
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: kcr@deneb.mlb.semi.harris.com (Keighley Ross)
Subject: Re: Indexing:  Is There A Better Way?
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:27:12 GMT
Distribution: comp.text.frame
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

In article <STEVENO.92Nov3100350@novadyne.unidata.com> steveno@unidata.com (Steven J. Owens) writes:
>
>My department faces the task of indexing several extremely large documents.
>Having indexed a 273 page and a 384 page document, I'm desperately looking
>for a better method than the basic indexing process in frame.  Does anybody
>know of one?
>
>Are there any better techniques, or possibly third party products?
 
My department wants to do the same thing, and I've been thinking about
this for a while, but doing nothing.  My conclusion is that the only
reasonable approach is to edit a MIF version of the document to
insert the markers.  This should be reasonably straightforward if
you're willing to write compiled code, and perhaps even possible with
awk or perl.

I've recently seen an ad from Frank Stearns Associates (206/892-3970)
for a product called HyperGen, which automates setting up hypertext
links along the lines of a TOC or index.  Since these are also just
markers, it may be that they've addressed the pure indexing problem
as well.  Someone here is arranging for a demonstration, so we'll see.
 
-------------------------------------- Keighley Ross ----------------
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H_/ |_HH      Opinions expressed       Harris Semiconductor
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From: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: How do I get a color EPS file to import into doc in color
Keywords: encapsulated postscript
Date: 4 Nov 92 16:06:50 GMT
Reply-To: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Other Hangout

In article <mathieu.720726094@gdim> mathieu@geod.emr.ca (Pierre Mathieu) writes:
<I've been trying to get an encapsulated postscript file produced by
<PV Wave V4.0 on an HP9000/750 (running HP-UX 8.07) to import into a
<Frame 3.1 document while keeping the color. It imports but the image I get is
<gray shaded. 
<	I tried changing the Maker.colorImages resource to True in the
<$FMHOME/.fminit2.0.ps/xresources/Maker file but it didn't work. I know
<the eps file was saved with color since it shows up in color when viewed
<with GhostScript.

A couple of questions...

1) which 3.1 version?  3.1A or 3.1X (I suspect 3.1X because of your platform).
2) gray shaded on the screen or on the printout?

The 3.1X version cannot interpret the PostScript and display it when it is
File Included into an anchored frame.  So, 3.1X only displays a gray box.
I believe the same goes for included to PostScript code into the document
via the other method of including PostScript.  I'm not positive on the last
one.

If you do a file include and your EPS file has a preview image, it will only
be gray shaded, since the preview image is not available in color.  Use Frame
to create a PostScript output file and see if your included stuff shows up
in color using GhostScript.  That is the real text for 3.1X.
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From: dok_hfa@sovb50pki-nbg.philips.de (Hans-Juergen Faerber)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Indexing:  Is There A Better Way?
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:50:47 GMT
Reply-To: dok_hfa@pki-nbg.philips.de
Organization: Philips Communication Systems, Nuremberg, Germany


In article <1992Nov12.232417.29184@sfu.ca>, Mike_Dustan@sfu.ca (Mike Dustan) writes:
|> 
|> The problem of indexing ranges becomes somewhat easier if you use the
|> <$autorange> component in your index format. Just include it before or
|> after the <$pagenum> for each index level on the reference page, and
|> Frame will automatically concatenate entries from consecutive pages into
|> a range-type entry. For example, "widgets 2,3,4,5,6,7,9,10,11" becomes
|> "widgets 2-9, 10-11".
|> 
|> Cheers
|> Mike Dustan, Computing Services, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC
|> Canada

That's right so far. But I noticed some days ago that the <$autorange>
option disturbs the <$nopage> option. If you have turned <$autorange> on,
<$nopage> suddenly has no effect.

Has anyone else seen this?

h.-j.

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Subject: Re: Frame on Microsoft Windows 3.0 - Need Help
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:37:46 GMT
Reply-To: rjn@FC.HP.COM
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Rohit Mehrotra (rohit@NeoSoft.com) wrote:

> I am about to order FRAM on MS-Windows3.1.  Are there any other horror
> stories, that I need to know.  I am very skeptical of the MS-Windows
> version, however I would be having a 486/16MB RAM/Win-3.1 Is it going to
> be an acceptable configuration for this application.  Is there anyone out
> there who is using it on this platform.

Running fine on an 8Mb 486/33 clone, Stealth VRAM @ 1024x768, 16-in Sony,
Win 3.1.  However, I have plenty of disk space.

The only problem I've seen is that old document text gets into the point-
size pull-up menu if I run any non-windows apps (like CompuServe CIM) and
exit back to Win3.1 with Frame still active.  Work-around is to type in the
point size (or restart Frame).

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
Bob Niland      Internet: rjn@FC.HP.COM               3404 East Harmony Road
                CompuServe:  71044,2124               Ft Collins CO 80525-9599

This article represents only the opinion[s] of its author, and is not an
official or unofficial position of, or statement by, the Hewlett-Packard
Company.  The text is provided for informational purposes only.  It is
supplied without warranty of any kind.
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: Phil Buxton  <Phil Buxton @BNR.ca>
Subject: Re: Converting MacDraw to MIF
Organization: Bell Northern Research
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:52:37 GMT


In article  , Bruce_H_Ring@cup.portal.com writes:

>
>I am converting many Macintosh Microsoft Word files
>to FrameMaker for Windows.  The Microsoft Word
>files contain graphics created with MacDraw which
>FrameMaker cannot convert.
> 
>I've heard rumors of a Frame utility/filter that
>converts MacDraw files to MIF, but no one at Frame
>knows about it.  Has anyone heard of such a thing?
>(A Windows DLL would be fine.)  Is there any other
>way to convert the graphics and keep them as vector
>art with objects that FrameMaker for Windows can edit?

Yes, there is a filter, actually two.  I have a copy of a 
MAC-based version that came from FRAME that is not too
bad though we use a text editor to do some extra stuff
to it to make it work better. It will convert any 
of McDraw1 McDraw2, McDrawPro or PowerPoint via McDraw. 1

There is also a UNIX version PICTtoMIF that is available
in the std filter package from Frame.

I dont know where the first filter came from, though I 
believe it was Frame themselves.  The official name is
MacDrawToMIF 1.3 copyright Frame Technology 1987,88, 
written by Margie Kaptanoglu.  See if that 
information means anything to the Frame people
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: petri@maunakea.aero.org (Steve Petri)
Subject: Request : LaTeX to Framemaker Filter
Keywords: filter, latex
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:59:54 GMT


Hello, 

I was wondering if anyone had any information on a filter to go from  
LaTeX to Framemaker.

I have heard that FilterPak 3.0 contains the following.
	DCA Filter
	Interleaf Filter
	troff Filter
	WordPerfect Filter
	CAD Filter
	CGM Filter
	EPSI Filter

Our organization is considering purchasing Frame but we have a lot of 
existing documentation under LaTeX.

Thanks in advance, 

Steve Petri                (petri@paoli.aero.org)
The Aerospace Corp.
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From: gerry@cmu.edu (Gerry Roston)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Page numbering in generated files
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:30:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: onion.GERRY.92Nov6163012
Reply-To: gerry@cmu.edu (Gerry Roston)
Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU

Today, I started what will be a large document.  I decided that this
document will be numbered on a per chapter basis, like the FrameMaker
manuals, you know, 1-1, 1-2, ..., 2-1, 2-2...

So, I set up a running header/footer and the page numbers appeared
properly.  I created a book file and hey!  it still worked properly.
Then, I set up the TOC file.  To make a long story short, it appears
that to get the chapter number to preceed the page number in the TOC
file (and all other generated files), you have to manually insert the
chapter number in the file setup dialog window (from the book file).
Now tell me, is FrameMaker really this brain damaged?  Every occurance
of my chapter number will be automatically updated if I insert a new
chapter, but for generated files, I will be required to manually fix
each and every setup?  This is too hard to believe.  I know from
experience that FM has problems, but this is so basic...

Anyway, enough griping.  Is there a work-around or am I forced into
this stupidity.  I am running Frame 3.1X on a Sun.

[Please forgive the tone, but every time I seem to push a bit on FM,
it fails to provide basic functionality that TeX has had for 10 years
now.  Since TeX is in the public domain, why don't our "friends" at
Frame check it out and improve their program?

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: jkovacs@qualix.com (Jean Kovacs)
Subject: NEW Adobe TranScript 4.0
Keywords: transcript postscript printer
Reply-To: jkovacs@qualix.com
Organization: QUALiX Group, Inc.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:46:57 GMT



Adobe recently announced version 4.0 of TranScript. Anyone
using FrameMaker with PostScript printers should be aware
of this update and what it includes.

For more information, check out comp.newprod or
request the TranScript info file from the Qualix mail server
(see below).


QUALIX MAIL SERVER:
------------------

Qualix Group maintains a mail server with information
files and demo version of products. If you'd like information
on Adobe TranScript, send an e-mail to qfacts@qualix.com
(or uunet!qualix!qfacts) and include the following:

send transcript.info

End the message with your name/company name/phone number.

The TranScript information will automatically be sent to you.


Jean Kovacs
Qualix Group
1900 So. Norfolk #224
San Mateo, CA 94403
1-415-572-0200





Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: kornai@csli.stanford.edu (Andras Kornai)
Subject: MIF to LaTeX, anyone?
Organization: CSLI, Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:41:05 GMT

I have a file that starts with <MakerFile 3.0F> on the first line,
lots of binary stuff afterwards. Is there a way to convert this
beastie to LaTeX? 

Please cc your reply to kornai@csli.stanford.edu, as I don't get to
read this group otherwise. Thanks for your help,

Andras Kornai
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: Frame on Microsoft Windows 3.0 - Need Help
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:45:21 GMT

In article <Bx9KyL.IJ9@NeoSoft.com>, rohit@NeoSoft.com (Rohit Mehrotra) writes:
|> 
|> I am about to order FRAM on MS-Windows3.1. Are there any other horror stories,
|> that I need to know. I am very skeptical of the MS-Windows version, however
|> I would be having a 486/16MB RAM/Win-3.1
|> 
|> Is it going to be an acceptable configuration for this application.
|> 
|> Is there anyone out there who is using it on this platform.

Hey I'd only got a 486/33 with 4Mb RAM and is chugging along just fine.

One point to note though, some fonts eg Helvetica, Palatino will only
appear if your set a Postscript printer as the default in Windows.
As my HPUX/frame at work is setup with postscript printer, I do likewise
at home with my MS-Windows just so that the fonts in the frame documents
are compatible.  It is a bit of a pain to remember to change the default
printer everytime I want to work on a document from office, but it is not
really a horror story.

Anyway I believe the fonts availability is a Windows/ATM issue rather
than Frame's.
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: pete@cs.curtin.edu.au (Peter Staples)
Subject: equation editor problem
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 05:27:35 GMT

how can I do the following in Frame,

I have an equation which has different values for different x

eg
		f(x)    x < 0
h(x) = {
		g(x)    x > 0

now how do i get the brace ([) to be resized to include both equations.
Frame seems to resize braces fine for quotients etc, but, as far as I can
tell has no means of entering and resizing a single {.

If anyone out there can help could they please e-mail me on 
pete@cs.curtin.edu.au
or reply to this message

thanx in advance peter.
From: davidl@ssd.intel.com (David Levine)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Mac v3.0.1 and RTF export !?
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:37:32 GMT
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel

In article <1992Nov5.164400.1637@mail.cornell.edu> Ray Zimmerman <Ray-Zimmerman@cornell.edu> writes:
>I just read today in MacWeek that Frame has released version 3.0.1 for 
>the Mac, which is supposed to fix the cut/copy bug.  It is also supposed
>to included an RTF *export* filter!  The article states that "Frame's 
>current set of import filters and the new RTF Export Utility are 
>available free from on-line services."
>
>Does anyone know where I can get this RTF filter?  Has anyone received 
>information from Frame about the upgrade?

I haven't received any information about the upgrade from Frame, but
you can get it for a mere $15.00 (or, if you've paid for a Full Support
Subscription, for free) by calling (800)843-7263 or (408)433-3311.  I
just did it, and I didn't even have to give my registration number.

By the way, according to the same MacWeek article, Frame is offering a
"sidegrade" from other word processing or page-layout applications.
Through Dec. 15, you can "sidegrade" to FrameMaker for $395, and it
comes with a 90-day money-back guarantee.  At this price it's a steal.

- David D. Levine, Intel Supercomputer Systems Division == davidl@ssd.intel.com
  "A monk, a clone, and a Ferengi decide to go bowling together..."
From: tbunce@cix.compulink.co.uk (Tim Bunce)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Converting an entire book into one document
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:33:00 GMT
Reply-To: tbunce@cix.compulink.co.uk

Is there any way to convert all the components of a book into one
large document?

We have a system that generates books from a multitude (20-50+) of
small component documents, many only a single page. These small
components can be difficult to work with. Some way of putting the
pieces into one document file would make life much easier.

Thanks
Tim Bunce
tbunce@cix.compulink.co.uk