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From: ulick@angelico.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor's cute little performance
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:53:40 GMT

In article <CC.92Oct7111510@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk> cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
>
>It's not being taken at all, because it's an American show and we don't see
>it here!  Why, what happened?

At the end of her permormance of a Bob Marley song, War, on Saturday Night
Live, a live comedy show with a musical act doing 2 songs, she tore up
a picture of the pope and said something like 'Fight the Real Enema'.  I
didn't see it, personally, but it is been blown out of all proportion
by the media here, whcih must have been desired.  I am surprised that the
British gutter press didn't pick up on it.


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+ 'There was a  master come unto the earth, + Ulick Stafford, PP-ASEL       +
+    born in the holy land of Indiana,      + Dept of Chemical Engineering, +
+ in the mystical hills east of Fort Wayne'.+ Notre Dame, IN 46556          +
+      B'fhearr liom bheith ag eitilt.      +    ulick@bach.helios.nd.edu   +
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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Celts-Christianity-Catholicism
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 04:48:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.191713.16098@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> wb9tow@bluegrass.ecn.purdue.edu (Steven A Marquie) writes:

>        My religion is tied to mother earth and nature and has nothing..
>absolutely nothing to do with anything christion.!!!!!!!!!
>merry meet,  merry part                       ^,


Is there something about the letter "o" here? You spell 
"conquer" as "conquor" also, I notice.





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From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Ugly Americans-It's not our fault
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:57:57 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1992Oct13.122537.24361@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> folse@crs.cl.msu.edu (Mark Folse) writes:

   The Scottish/Irish contribution  is explained thus: "[They] were heders, adn
   hering cultures the world over seem to be inclined toward violence.

I picked up a book in a bookshop recently.  It was a history of the Border
Reivers - the old cattle-raising families either side of the border between
England and Scotland.  They spent centuries raiding (reiving) each others'
cattle.  Anyway, the author pointed out at the start of the book that Richard
Nixon's presidential inauguration was quite remarkable for the fact that both
him, his vice-president (Spiro Agnew) and the man at his other side (Billy
Graham) were descended from old Borders cattle-stealing families.
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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: *Scottish Film Industry*  is there such a thing?????!
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 03:31:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.122530.21665@Cadence.COM> alastair@Cadence.COM (Alastair Young) writes:

>Gregory's Girl

Pretty funny actually..

Did those two ever make it to "Caracus"?


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From: dunn@CAM.ORG (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: European superiority
Date: 10 Oct 92 22:44:28 GMT
Organization: Recessionists Anonymous.

In referenced article, mike@inti.lbl.gov (Michael Helm) writes:
>Ray Dunn writes:
>>Who cares, it's really of little interest.  What is clear is that a point
>
>"Who cares" is rite -- stick to the issues, not the people

The views of which version of the Newell personna would you rather I
stuck to?

>I don't have a lot of sympathy for anyone "manipulated" into 
>holding "untenable" positions.  Aren't they responsible for their
>own actions & thinking?

You're right, and I don't have much sympathy for them either, but I
have less sympathy for the manipulator.

>>we don't need this sort of deliberate agravation.
>Oh well. I take an aspirin when I have a headache.

This is your version of sticking to the "views not the people" I suppose.

>May I suggest the "kill file"?

Sure, but tell me, you post complaining of my complaints.  Is there
some reason you feel that all this advice was not appropriate for
yourself?
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor's cute little performance
Date: 8 Oct 92 07:46:31 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: ulick@angelico.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
>At the end of her permormance of a Bob Marley song, War, on Saturday Night
>Live, a live comedy show with a musical act doing 2 songs, she tore up
>a picture of the pope and said something like 'Fight the Real Enema'.  I
>didn't see it, personally, but it is been blown out of all proportion
>by the media here, whcih must have been desired.  I am surprised that the
>British gutter press didn't pick up on it.

It's not the sort of thing the British gutter press would pick
up on. Had Ms.O'Connor insulted the Royal Family, it might have
been a different matter. The British gutter press would
probably agree with her analysis of the RC Church, and not
regard her actions as important enough to comment on.

Matthew Huntbach
From: alastair@Cadence.COM (Alastair Young)
Subject: Re: *Scottish Film Industry*  is there such a thing?????!
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:25:30 GMT


Not much, but some:

That Sinking Feeling
Gregory's Girl
Local Hero
Restless Natives
Taggart-The Movie :-)

Al

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From: CRJ14530@acuvax.acu.edu (Judd Christopher R.)
Subject: Request for Kilt information.
Organization: Abilene Christian University, Abilene, TX
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:28:35 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

I am wondering if anyone would be kind enough to send me any information
on how I can get a catalog or just any information about getting a kilt.

I am wanting this information because I am of Scottish decent, and want
a traditional costume for festivals.  Thanks in advance.

Jon Gilchriest
(via Christopher Judd at CRJ14530@ACUVAX.ACU.EDU)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: ulick@schumann.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor's cute little performance
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:55:01 GMT

More controversy.  The local news last night mentioned that she has given an
interview to Rolling Stone full of controversial statements.  I'd appreciate
more details from someone whose seen it.  I could agree with some of the
content but the delivery seems to have been to shock.  They did show the pope 
tearing again!!


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+ 'There was a  master come unto the earth, + Ulick Stafford, PP-ASEL       +
+    born in the holy land of Indiana,      + Dept of Chemical Engineering, +
+ in the mystical hills east of Fort Wayne'.+ Notre Dame, IN 46556          +
+      B'fhearr liom bheith ag eitilt.      +    ulick@bach.helios.nd.edu   +
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From: BEEKMAN@econ.umd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: What happened to GAELIC-L
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:40:53 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland


I'm curious as to whether anyone else is having problems with GAELIC-L.

I've been on the mailing list for about 2 months now and I stopped getting
anything from them in the last week.  This is unusual since I used to get
something every day.  I tried sending some commands to LISTSERV@IRLEARN, some
of which worked and some of which didn't (particularly when I asked for the
log files of the last 2 months).  

If anyone has any information about this, please let me know.

Kevin Beekman

beek@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Celtic Dance questions
From: Henry Corcoran <CORCORAN@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Saturday, 10 Oct 1992 16:36:08 CDT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

Thanks to everyone who answered my questions on "Celtic" dance styles.
The replies were all informative and enlightening.
                                                  Henry
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From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Wanted: Demonstration ideas
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:35:42 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <Bw60J4.1Ks@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton) writes:
>are with trying to deal with the English on their own terms, that the
>normal channels of political "change" aren't letting the Scots get the
>sovereignty they desire.

Er, Scotland is represented in parliament as well as any other group 
of similar population can be, if not better.  (I could pick an arbitrary
group of English counties of the same population as Scotland but with
fewer Cabinet ministers, I'm sure...)

The embarrassing thing that Scotland doesn't have enough self-identity
that it would feel happy as a separate nation.  Educated Highlanders
like me would live in fear of being forced to speak Gaelic by born-again
Celts from Peebles, with the backing of the Labour government that would
be bound to follow any devolution!

Fact is that the best thing for Scotland would be a combined British
football team; I can think of at least 4 Scottish players who would be
in it and it would win the World Cup every time.
From: ulick@angelico.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: King of the Republic of Ireland.
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:01:30 GMT
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

In article <1992Oct9.162554.19837@news.clarkson.edu> walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:
>From article <1992Oct8.193320.22636@news.nd.edu>, by ulick@beethoven.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford):
>>  
>> Let's appoint Charlie!!
>> 
>> 
>
>I think thats a great idea. Could we also interest you in some other
>royal, lets say a Duke of York, or even a Queen Mother?

I didn't mean Big Ears.  I meant Haughey, former Taoiseach (Fuehrer), 
who is now twiddling his thumbs
in Kinsealy or on Inisvicalaune.  What is Charlie up to these days, anyway?
He is still a TD, I guess?


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+ 'There was a  master come unto the earth, + Ulick Stafford, PP-ASEL       +
+    born in the holy land of Indiana,      + Dept of Chemical Engineering, +
+ in the mystical hills east of Fort Wayne'.+ Notre Dame, IN 46556          +
+      B'fhearr liom bheith ag eitilt.      +    ulick@bach.helios.nd.edu   +
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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Is there any need for that struggle(Re: Irish Rejects Associated (IRA))
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:43:57 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.celtic
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Oct14.173845.26611@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant) writes:
> 
> Does anyone know the proportion of Northern Irish who are not Christian?
> Since this proportion (especially the atheists) is getting larger, why not
> wait until the problem goes away of itself?



 Sure. Sounds good - would someone please kindly tell the folks in NI to
"wait until the problem goes away of itself" please? Why didn't someone
think of this sooner???


			gln
From: wb9tow@bluegrass.ecn.purdue.edu (Steven A Marquie)
Subject: Re: Celts-Christianity-Catholicism
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
  There were a couple of comments reguarding my statements by Michael and 
	First, as a Wiccan, I practice certain Celtic religious beliefs that
	Next, the works I refer to date from the late 1800's and the early      1900's.  Celtic Myths and Legends, T.W. Rolleston, Harrap 1917,  Ancient 
	And lastly, there were comments reguarding the transition of Celtica to christianity.  It was violent.  Ever hear of the inquisition?  (By the way,     Celtica was and is the entire culture of the Celtic people. reguardless of theirplacement on the earth).  Just because there was no formal invasion of Ireland,
	Tis all my ranting for now.  Merry meet and merry part
								steve
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:11:48 GMT
From: rm4@st-andrews.ac.uk (Rosa Michaelson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: It's not our fault
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:22:49 GMT
Organization: not St. Andrews University

Dear Suze, please read my posting again! I am writing about THE BORDERS
OF SCOTLAND AND ENGLAND - NOT IRELAND. THE BORDERS OF SCOTLAND are well kent
for the tales of REIVING AND  CATTLE RUSTLEING with particular emphasis on
the POST 1000...And any RELATIVES OF YOUR EX PRESIDENTS WOULD BE THE SETTLERS
WHO CAME LATEST TO THE BORDERS...WHO ARE ASSIMILATED ANGLO_NORMANS NOT CELTS OR
PICTS. And that is the WHOLE point of my posting.....
hope that clears the wax from your ears (%-)
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From: bf469@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Twila Oxley Price)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Welsh endearments needed
Date: 8 Oct 1992 22:37:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bf469@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Twila Oxley Price)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I am writing a stroy where one of the characters is Welsh, and I need to know
what kind of endearments he would be likely to use to his wife. I've scanned
my Welsh dictionary and the grammar books don't seem to cover the situation.
If anyone could help me, I'd be most grateful.

Please reply by e-mail as I'm not on the newsgroups as often as I would like.

Thanks muchly,
Twila
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Samhain, how to celebrate...
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:28:13 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest


Being of partly celtic descent, I'm trying to come up with a good [if slightly
bastardized] way to celebrate Samhain.  A bon{e}fire, though nifty, is sadly
not an option.  In light of it being the day of the year's death, so to speak,
I'm currently considering just going out in the woods and watching the year
die and be reborn, or perhaps getting some small "tea candles" and making a
celtic cross of light with them, in a woods clearing or maybe at my 
grandmother's grave.  

I'm not entirely certain what the stereotypical celebration would be in 
history, as the only thing that really comes to mind would be the bon{e}fire
or something of that sort.

Can someone with a bit more knowledge help me out here?  I'm quite interested
in the Celts and their religious observations, but not very informed.

Thanks,
	Shag 
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		- Queensryche
From: ulick@beethoven.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: King of the Republic of Ireland.
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:33:20 GMT
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

In article <Bvr6I9.6Ky@u36.kwnet.on.ca> sp@u36.kwnet.on.ca (Sean P Goggin) writes:
>The following is a transcription of a newspaper
>clipping given to me some thirty years ago.
>It was culled from a Dublin daily paper sometime
>in the late 50's, the exact date and publication
>are unknown to me.
>
>Begin quote.
>
>Where Edward VIII is King.
>

Since Edward is pushing up daisies now, he can't be king.  I thought he was
childless, in which case there is no monarch, since none has ever been 
appointed.  Let's appoint Charlie!!


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+ 'There was a  master come unto the earth, + Ulick Stafford, PP-ASEL       +
+    born in the holy land of Indiana,      + Dept of Chemical Engineering, +
+ in the mystical hills east of Fort Wayne'.+ Notre Dame, IN 46556          +
+      B'fhearr liom bheith ag eitilt.      +    ulick@bach.helios.nd.edu   +
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From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Wanted: Demonstration ideas
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:51:45 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <CC.92Oct16120005@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk> cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
Labour
>getting 50% of the Scottish vote.  At the last election the got 39% I think.

39% could easily elect them in a "two big parties and lots of splinter
groups" situation, let alone a three-party situation, even with STV or
anything else.  Actually, what are the SNP's post-independence policies?
If they turn into the right-wing kind of Nationalist party, then the 
Tories would be the moderates...
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor's cute little performance
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:20:45 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

spinoza@next01wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing) writes:

>picture of John Paul II, and commenced to ripping. Apparently, her stand  
>on things Vatican is also colored a bit by her affiliation with  
>Rastafarianism (in addition to her stands on abortion and Ireland), a  

She doesn't have the neccessary hair-do for it!!


Dave (No dreadlocks either)

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From: cyberoid@stein.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Big Country, the rock group
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:18:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct11.191818.15628
Organization: WORLDESIGN, Seattle


My mate, a woman of good Scottish stock, and I have been fans of the
Scottish rock group, Big Country, for over a decade...but we haven't
heard hide nor hair of them in the last several years.  The last Big
Country album we have is Peace in Our Time, really a great concert.

Is Big Country still in existence?  Are they playing gigs?  Do they
have new albums out since PIOT?  And how can we get in touch, so that
if we are able to visit next year, we can plan to take in a concert?

Any help you can provide is welcome.

Bob
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: RE: *SMILE* For angus......
From: Aengus Lawlor <RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:51:22 EDT
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

In article <6OCT92.23105598@enh.nist.gov>, downey@enh.nist.gov says:
>
>Aengus Lawlor writes:
>>  Learn to read!  (directed at Suzanne)
>
>Sir, I suggest you learn to better formulate your objections, rather than
>hurling insults.  Even sarcasm, satire, and anger are acceptable, but not
>RUDENESS!
Sarcasm/satire evidently go right over Suzannes head, (or maybe she didn't
see Kevin O'Connells article), and I think that Suzannes behaviour recently
could be considered "rude" in so far as netiquette goes. At the very least
she could learn to use her news reader, so she could include the points she
attempts to rebut, and maybe in so doing she would re-read them properly.
(And in the case of her Cliff Richard thread, she could just drop it
altogether. Right next to a thread about what was appropriate material
for this newsgroup, too!)

> I know you can read this comment; I can only hope you comprehend it.
>
>Give 'em hell Holly!
>
>Give 'em hell Suzanne!
>
>Laura

>From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
>
>This rather sick flaunting of you "wealth" would be greatly appreciated
>by the very poor families up in Northern NY state, Alabama, Missippi,
>etc. The poor up her have no health care, live off welfare, and
                 ^^^^^
>continual drives are run to provide food for the food banks. You and
>Mathew Huntback can attack each other as much as you want but you are
>both birds of a same feather. If you are both such great supporter of
>Capitalism (and you are only arguing over who has the richer plumage) I
>would suggest that you spent some time in the south Bronx, the coal
>mining communities of West Verginia, or inner city Liverpool (and this
>
Note that Graham specifically cited the experiences of the poor in New
York state. Clarkson University is in Northern New York state.
(He dropped an 'e' in here, but his meaning was evident).
He paid as much attention to the south Bronx and West Virginia as to
Mississippi and Alabama. Suzanne attacked Graham for saying that there
are poor people in Mississippi and Alabama. (Because she knows he's wrong
because she worked on the Food Stamp program there? )

As Holly as subsequently pointed out, Southerners are touchy about slights
to the South. And she makes some excellent points about the reasons
for such attitudes. But that discussion is for another time.

I'm sorry you were upset by my post, Laura. I'm also sorry it made absolutely
no impression on Suzanne. (Why, she didn't even bother to spell my name
right). By scc standards, my post can hardly be considered very strong,
and Suzanne is no more worthy of your support than say Gary Spain, for
instance.

Aengus
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RBYAML@ROHMHAAS.COM                    Aengus Lawlor
RBYAML@ROHVM1.BITNET                   (who used to be ALAWLOR@DIT.IE)
"How about some of that famous Dublin wit, Barman?"
"Certainly, sir. Would that be Dry or Sparkling?"
From: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Celtic Dance questions
Date: 8 Oct 1992 17:38:48 GMT
Organization: N.I.C.E.
Reply-To: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.60

Michael Steven Newton writes:
>  And further, there are certainly visible links between the dances of
>  Ireland, Scotland, Brittany and Galicia, for example.  So one could
>  argue that there *are* Celtic dance elements.

Another thing all these areas have in common is heavy involvement with
the military in the Napoleonic wars (Galicia was heavily trafficed by
British military during the Peninsular War).  Is it possible that
common elements we see reflect a common origin in, say, the source of
many fashionable ideas of the time, France?  Or England?
From: skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor's cute little performance
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:09:16 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:


> I'm curious how Sinead's little act on the most recent Saturday Night
>Live show is being taken in Ireland and the UK. I happened to be watching
>the show with my wife and daughter and must say I was surprised when she
>decided to end the Marley song that way. I know little about her - where
>was she born? Is she Catholic? Is this simply an attack on the influence
>that the Catholic church has had on Ireland or is this simply a case
>of catholic-bashing?


what did she do? (no-one has said yet, after three articles)

enquiring minds want to know
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