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From: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton)
Subject: Re: Cyrillic fonts
Organization: Trilithon Software
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:39:30 GMT

In article <Bxtnw4.271@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>  
ssniyogi@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu writes:
    *  While on this topic, does anyone know of sources, public
    *  or commercial, of foreign language TrueType fonts? There
    *  have been several requests for scripts such as Cyrillic,
    *  Kanji, Korean, etc. I would like to find various Indian
    *  fonts (such as Hindi and Bengali) as well as Middle Eastern fonts.
    
There are two sources I know of where you can ontain many non-Roman
fonts.

    Linguists Software
    P. O. Box 580,
    Edmonds,
    Washington 98020-0580.
    (206) 775-1130.
 
    Ecological Linguistics,
    P. O.  Box 15156,
    Washington
    D. C. 20003.


        .........  Henry
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.lang.postscript
From: ariel@seer.gentoo.com (Cathy Hampton)
Subject: Re: Uses and Differences Between Type 1 and Type 2
Summary: It's Postscript =Level= 2, not type 2
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 07:07:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Brad Lanam,  Walnut Creek, CA
Followup-To: comp.fonts,comp.lang.postscript

In article <1992Nov11.185712.16193@u.washington.edu>
yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi) writes:

>Most of these printers have upgraded to Postscript Level 2. Does that mean
>it uses Postscript type 2? I've never heard of such an Adobe format. My 
>previous knowledge was of only Type 1, 3, 4 and 5, but no 2. 

My printer cartridge is Postscript Level 2, which is an enhanced version of
the postscript language itself, not a font format like type 1 or 3 fonts.
Yes, your fonts will work fine with postscript level 2 -- in fact, they
will probably work much faster and possibly better.  I'm enjoying my
postscript level 2 system very much. <G>

Ariel
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage)
Subject: Re: I can't print at 500 pt anymore
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:25:52 GMT
Organization: Developer Support Center, Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: comp.fonts

In article <kim3.722215557@husc10>, kim3@husc10.harvard.edu (Jason Y. Kim)
wrote:
> 
> Something happened to my computer over the last two weeks so that I can
> no longer print out a flyer on my Personal LaserWriter. Everything but
> one 500-pt TrueType character (the X in Davy's Other Dingbats) comes out 
> fine . . . the character prints a blank. Could this be because I switched
> to System 7.1? That's the only thing I can think of that has changed on
> my computer recently. If that's so, I've got a real bone to pick with
> Apple.
> 
It's unlikely any changes to the LaserWriter driver in 7.1 could affect
this; I'm not aware of any changes to the TrueType rasterizer in the
driver.

If you're using Suitcase, you must upgrade to 2.1.2 if you're using System
7.1 or some of your things won't work correctly.  A free updater is
available from Fifth Generation places like AppleLink and CompuServe.
Otherwise, I can't think of anything that would have broken this.

>                               ~  Jason Y. Kim  ~
>                                      ~=@=~

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From: ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca (ochealth)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Convert AFM to PFM?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 10:07:15 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

There seems to be a zillion programs to convert PFM files into AFM files,
but I can't find anything to convert AFM files to PFMs.

Anyone know of anything?


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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: rcd@raven.eklektix.com (Dick Dunn)
Subject: Re: proportional/narrow Courier ?
Summary: what's really needed?  typewriter font?
Organization: eklektix - Boulder, Colorado
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 08:04:23 GMT

wijkstra@fwi.uva.nl (Marcel Wijkstra (AIO)) writes:
>I am looking for a proportional Courier (or Courier-lookalike) font, if
>such a beast exists. If it does not, I will also be satisfied with a
>narrow Courier font.

You'd better tell us more of what you need, because "proportional Courier"
is a contradiction:  Courier is designed to be a fixed-width font.  You can
see this in characteristics like the very wide serifs on narrow characters,
which let them occupy more of the standard character width.

If you're interested in a "typewriter" look, but proportional, try one like
"American Typewriter".  (Yes, I see the .nl at the end of the reply
address; sorry.:-)  If you're looking for somewhat similar feel, as far as
strokes of uniform weight and serifs as thick as the main strokes, look for
a slab-serif "Egyptian" design (Memphis or the like).  Of course, neither
of these are suited for setting large blocks of text.

If you want something like Courier but just narrower, you may be able to
re-scale Courier--for example, in PostScript, instead of just scalefont use
makefont with a matrix that scales larger vertically than horizontally.
(The traditional scaling of a fixed-pitch font gives a character spacing
of 0.6 the point size--thus 10 pt is 12 pitch and 12 pt is 10 pitch, which
are convenient but often a bit wide in appearance, and especially so with a
squat font like Courier.)
-- 
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	...Simpler is better.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: THOMASG@epx.cis.umn.edu (Thomas D. Gasser)
Subject: Re: HELP!: Win3.1 TT -> Mac ATM/TT
Keywords: Truetype TT ATM
Organization: Department of Neurosurgery, University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:45:56 GMT

There is a program that runs on the MAC called TTconverter 1.1 by 

Chris Reed
3409 Clearview Drive
San Angelo, TX  76904-8101

It runs on a Mac and can convert between Mac Truetype and Windows Truetype.
It will not do ATM at least in the version I have.   It is shareware with a 
registration cost of a whole $10.00.  It don't have an FTP source for the 
the program but if needed I could upload it to a Mac archive site.

BTW, what is a good Mac FTP site?



>Help!  I am looking for a Windows TrueType -> Mac Truetype OR ATM font 
>converter.  I am publishing a literary magazine, and have many many fonts that
>are on my IBM.  Unfortunately, Pagemaker is on the MAC.  Does anyone have 
>suggestions?
>
> - Peter
>


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    *  Thomas D. Gasser                                                 *
    *  Department of Neurosurgery                *******     ******     *
    *  University of Minnesota                    ***  *** *** ***      *
    *  (612) 624-4427                             ***   *****  ***      *
    *  E-Mail:  THOMASG@STAFF.TC.UMN.EDU         *****        *****     *
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From: gilligan@bldrdoc.gov (Jonathan M. Gilligan)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Ventura and TrueType??
Date: 17 Nov 92 02:52:31 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <P6N7TB1w165w@netlink.cts.com> dd@netlink.cts.com (Donna Druchunas) writes:
|>Ventura 4.1 is now TrueType tolerant, in fact they've started endorsing 
|>TT use at VSI and are no longer including ATM with the package.  They 
|>still suggest using ATM and Type 1 fonts if you are actually printing to 
|>a postscript device.  The upgrade price for registered users of VP Win is 
|>$49 and if you purchased after September ? 1992 the upgrade is free but 
|>these prices are only good until December 31 1992.

How does Ventura do ligatures then? It's a DTP product, so surely it
inserts ligatures automatically, right?

---Jon
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From: jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: FTP Sites for *PC* fonts wanted (Stupid me...*smirk*)
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:58:05 GMT
Organization: The little node that could...


     Sorry guys! It was my mistake. I posted yesterday about wanting an
FTP site for TT fonts. I neglected to mention that I'm looking for *PC* TT
fonts. I've recieved two replies about MAC sites, which I wholeheartedly
appreciate! :-) Any further info is GREAT appreciated, by mail, or by
news. (Also, any mail server info is appreciated for these fonts)


                                   Jeff

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Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.lang.postscript
From: rcd@raven.eklektix.com (Dick Dunn)
Subject: Level vs FontType vs PaintType, and the number 2
Summary: AAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
Organization: eklektix - Boulder, Colorado
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:57:59 GMT

Just when I thought we'd mostly gotten this sorted out and quieted down,
pledge@netcom.com (Alan McLachlan) writes:

>Type 2 fonts are stroked fonts (to the best of my memory and used to be used
>in the old 47 and prev versions of PS but were replaces when ATM came along
>as its a fill only beast) and not a new type of font for level 2

AAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!  NONONONoNoNononono...

That's a PaintType value.  Remember, we were trying to confuse language
level with font type; paint type wasn't supposed to enter into the
confusion.

OK, let's try to sort it out one more time...folks, you need more than the
number "2" to tell what you're talking about.

There are two major versions of the PostScript page description language--
the original, and a more recent major revision.  These are referred to as
"language levels": the original is Level 1, the revision is Level 2.  (The
old one is defined by the old reference manual, aka red book, aka PSLRM,
aka "Old Red".  The new one is defined by the big new reference manual, aka
red book, aka PSLRM2, aka "Big Red".)

Fonts (strictly speaking, "font programs") suitable for use with PostScript
interpreters may be written/encoded in several styles, each style requiring
more-or-less different processing.  These different notation/encoding
schemes for fonts are called "font types", and the font types are given
numbers.  Currently known font types include 0, 1, 3, 4, 5, and 42.  (I've
heard of others but don't want to lend credence to rumors.)  THERE IS NO
FontType 2, except possibly on the 91st or 92nd days of some years...and
there will be no FontType 2 (given discussions like this) unless Adobe
takes leave of its corporate senses!  Level 1 interpreters support at least
font types 1 and 3, probably 5.  Level 2 interpreters support those plus at
least 0 and maybe more.

Type 1 fonts have a characteristic determining how they're rendered
("painted"), called the "paint type".  The possible PaintType values range
from 0 to 3, although only 0 and 2 are still supported.  0 is a normal
fill; 2 is an "outline" of the character.

Summary:
	Language level: 1 or 2 - overall version of interpreter/language
	Font Type: various values, but NO 2 - font description methods
	Paint Type: 0 - 3, but only 0, 2 current.  Value within Type 1 font

OK, let's see...the next round, somebody should try to stir in FMapType,
right?:-)
-- 
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	...Ain't no time to hate.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: c60a-bh@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Ben Cottrell)
Subject: Re: HELP!: Win3.1 TT -> Mac ATM/TT
Keywords: Truetype TT ATM
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:49:43 GMT

THOMASG@epx.cis.umn.edu (Thomas D. Gasser) writes:

>>Help!  I am looking for a Windows TrueType -> Mac Truetype OR ATM font 
>>converter.  I am publishing a literary magazine, and have many many fonts that
>>are on my IBM.  Unfortunately, Pagemaker is on the MAC.  Does anyone have 
>>suggestions?
>>
>> - Peter
>>

>There is a program that runs on the MAC called TTconverter 1.1 by 

>Chris Reed
>3409 Clearview Drive
>San Angelo, TX  76904-8101

>It runs on a Mac and can convert between Mac Truetype and Windows Truetype.
>It will not do ATM at least in the version I have.   It is shareware with a 
>registration cost of a whole $10.00.  It don't have an FTP source for the 
>the program but if needed I could upload it to a Mac archive site.

>BTW, what is a good Mac FTP site?

>    *********************************************************************
>    *  Thomas D. Gasser                                                 *
>    *  Department of Neurosurgery                *******     ******     *
>    *  University of Minnesota                    ***  *** *** ***      *
>    *  (612) 624-4427                             ***   *****  ***      *
>    *  E-Mail:  THOMASG@STAFF.TC.UMN.EDU         *****        *****     *
>    *                                                                   *
>    *********************************************************************

You can get TTconverter off of sumex.stanford.edu.  BTW, after you
get it in MAC TT format, FontMonger (Ares software, $60 street price)
will be happy to convert it to MAC Type 1 for you.  If you
have any more questions, email me!!

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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: ari@netcom.com (Ari Davidow)
Subject: Re: "Hand-written" TT fonts for Win 3.1
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:37:52 GMT

>Goudy Hundred?

I don't think there is such a font. There =is= Goudy Thirty, but
that sounds like something else entirely.

ari
ari@netcom.com
From: karl@cs.umb.edu (Karl Berry)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: (Help)create TeX pk/tfm from scanned image/logo
Date: 21 Nov 92 03:18:07 GMT
	<1992Nov18.075731.1@zodiac.rutgers.edu>
Reply-To: karl@cs.umb.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston


    | After run through scanner, I have obtained the university logo 
    | in WMF/PCX/GIF/CGM/EPS... format. How do I create a .tfm and .pk
    | file from that, so I can use them in LaTeX without \special and
    | DVIPS?

    In principle, this is easy; in practice, it's not because there is no standard
    software around to provide this transformation.

One of the programs in the GNU font utilities (imageto) can read PBM
files and output GF files.  (Then you run gftopk to get a PK file.)
Another one (fontconvert -tfm) can read GF files and output TFM files.

You can get the fontutils from prep.ai.mit.edu:pub/gnu or any other GNU
archive site.  You need GCC and GNU make to compile them, though, so it
may not be worth it to you for this task if you don't already have them.

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From: "herb chong" <herb.chong@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: truetype hidden
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:13:23 EST
Reply-To: "herb chong" <herb.chong@channel1.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

G >True type does NOT have bitmaps built in to it.  However what it does 
G >for every glyph, is a set of points that make up the outline, and then
G >of flags, and then a set of code, that is executed by the interpreter 
G >every glyph.  (This from the truetype manual in the same directlry.)  
G >case, the code can check the font size and rotation, and flip bits ont
G >of the grid to make things look better at small point sizes.  (actuall
G >small em sizes, since it is not the point size, it is the absolute siz
G >respect to the resolution of the device...)  In any case, my suspicion
G >that fontographer is somehow mangling some of the flags, or some of th
G >code.  (is this glyph code equivalent to hinting in other font systems

not only that, but Microsoft's TTF files come with many different language 
enodings of the name table and i think Fontographer drops all but the 
Unicode and the ASCII ones. it has to keep Unicode because that's what 
Windows wants, and it has to keep ASCII because other programs look for 
it.

Herb...

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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: ariel@seer.gentoo.com (Cathy Hampton)
Subject: Re: Wanted: True Type font editor
Summary: Fontmonger, Fontographer, for Mac or Windows
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 07:13:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Brad Lanam,  Walnut Creek, CA
Keywords: Edit, create Truetype fonts
Followup-To: comp.fonts

In article <1992Nov13.184624.12844@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> abigail@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Shawn Abigail) writes:
>
>Can anyone suggest a program that allows you to edit or create new True
>Type Fonts?  I want to create some fonts for an African language that
>has characters completely unlike English.  Any help would be greatly
>appreciated!
>
>Shawn Abigail
Either Fontmonger or Fontographer, both of which come in Macintosh and
Windows versions, will do what you want to do.  I'm creating a couple of 
Cherokee fonts, and am designing the individual letters in CorelDraw and
then copying them over to Fontmonger.  This works as well with any other
vector-based draw program, such as Micrografix Designer, Adobe Illustrator,
or Aldus Freehand, as well. :>

Ariel
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: mtymp07@staff.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: HELP!: Win3.1 TT -> Mac ATM/TT
Keywords: Truetype TT ATM
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:13:48 GMT

Help!  I am looking for a Windows TrueType -> Mac Truetype OR ATM font 
converter.  I am publishing a literary magazine, and have many many fonts that
are on my IBM.  Unfortunately, Pagemaker is on the MAC.  Does anyone have 
suggestions?

 - Peter

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From: howard@sarah.CohTech.co.UK (Howard Wilkinson)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Latin-II fonts
Keywords: latin-II
Date: 14 Nov 92 15:16:08 GMT

Anybody know a repository for either X11 or MetaFont Latin-II fonts.

As a general question where can I get a listing of the sites that hold
interesting fonts for FTP or similar access.

Howard
From: pepin@CAM.ORG (Jean Pepin)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Compactor is not a standard
Summary: How to access data inside compactor format without Mac
Keywords: Compactor CPT Adobe_type_1 Pagestream Amiga
Date: 23 Nov 92 05:55:43 GMT
Organization: Club Amiga Montreal

We can access a lot of type one font to ftp site mac.archive.umich.edu, but
the problem is majority of files are on compactor, since we don't have a Mac,
is it possible for someome to convert that and send the result to 
amiga.archive.umich.edu.

Thanks for your reading time.

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From: toj8j@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (prufrock)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: 18th-c. colonial typeface needed
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:34:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

Can anyone recommend a good share/cheapware typeface with the following
features:

1. old-style figures (i.e. non-lining numbers)
2. long s character
3. slightly irregular shapes a la type produced by colonial printers
4. a decent complement of ligatures

I produce a fair amount of publicity for a 122-year-old vocal group here at
the University of Virginia, and occasionally create poster designs which
cry out for the above features.

I've tried Goudy Hundred, but it lacks (2) (unless I'm missing
something).

Any suggestions?  I'll take shareware or low-cost (hopefully) commercial,
preferably for Mac; Type 1 or TrueType.

Thanks in advance,
tim jarrett
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: Tim Larkin <tsl1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: TeX fonts??????????
X-Xxdate: Fri, 20 Nov 92 19: 11:50 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: tsl1@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:07:24 GMT

In article <19NOV199201442145@elroy.uh.edu> Karafa, st1pp@elroy.uh.edu
writes:
>	I was just wondering a few things
>		1) What are these sort of font files for???
These fonts work with TeX, the typesetting program created by D. Knuth.
>		2) Are the useable on IBM PC Compatible
TeX has been brought up on a wide variety of platforms, including the IBM 
PC. You can find freeware or shareware versions by poking around in TeX 
archives such as ymir.claremont.edu.
>		3) Can they be converted to TTF/Adobe/something useable
>			by WIN3.1?????
TeX fonts exist in two main forms, MF and PK. A MF file contains a plain 
text program written in the MetaFont language which describes the 
character outlines as Bezier curves. PK files contain compressed 
rasterizations of the MF descriptions. I don't know of any programs that 
convert to anything Windows would understand, but since I'm not a PC 
user, my lack of knowledge doesn't mean much.

TeX is the greatest program available anywhere for formatting documents. 
Check it out. 
  
Tim Larkin
Federal Nutrition Laboratory
Tower Road
Ithaca, New York
tsl1@cornell.edu
607-255-7008
From: leichter@zodiac.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: (Help)create TeX pk/tfm from scanned image/logo
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:57:31 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University Department of Computer Science

In article <1992Nov16.090443.18748@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eljcao@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
(L.J. Cao) writes:
| 
| After run through scanner, I have obtained the university logo 
| in WMF/PCX/GIF/CGM/EPS... format. How do I create a .tfm and .pk
| file from that, so I can use them in LaTeX without \special and
| DVIPS?

In principle, this is easy; in practice, it's not because there is no standard
software around to provide this transformation.

There are two parts to the problem:  The .PK file and the .TFM file.

The latter is actually quite an easy manual job.  The Property List format,
which can be converted back and forth to TFM format with TFTOPL and PLTOTF,
is easy to read and generate by hand.  It would be a pain for a whole font,
but for a logo, which is only one character and requires no real spacing
information, it would be trivial.

Creating the PK file is tougher, since the algorithm for compressing stuff
into PK format is quite complex.  If I need to do this, I'd probably use the
bitmap to build an old PXL-format file (those were very trivial), then use
PXTOPK to convert the PXL to a PK.  But there may be other xxTOPK converters
around that would be handier.

In any case, unless someone has already written a program to do exactly what
you are trying to do, you will probably have to do some one-off coding and
a bunch of manual work.
							-- Jerry