HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: 16550 support appears buggy
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 17:58:01 GMT

Michael Faurot (mfaurot@phzzzt.uucp) wrote:
: sjsobol@wariat.org (Steven J. Sobol) writes:
: : 
: : From what I can tell from the manual, fallback only works for 2400/1200/300.
: : (I hope I'm wrong.)
: 
: An entry of either "P" (9600) or "Q" (19200) not being able to "fallback"
: to a lower speed is "typically" (see my earlier posts in this thread) not
: a problem with high-speed modems that are capable of maintaining a fixed
: DTE speed.  Thus your modem and port are always talking at the same speed
: be it 9600 or 19200 and via flow-control the modem is able to talk to a
: slower speed modem while mainting its fixed DTE speed.
: 
: My problem is that the async drivers when working with a 16550 style UART
: don't seem to be handling the flow control situation properly.  The problem
: appears to only be related to use of a 16550 UART, 16450 UART ports work
: fine.

Well, I'm now running a Zyxel with a fixed DTE speed of 19.200, the flow
control is configurated to use CTS/RTS. I didn't have problems with
incoming or outgoing calls, neigther with highspeed nor with fallbacks
to 2400 baud. But I'm running a kernel created with the beta DDK and
not that one from the 4.0 distribution disks. My UART is a NS16550AFN.
BTW, the highest performance I've seen so far was 1200 Bps with
COHERENT's uucico from the 4.0 distribution disks.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: jim@pisaro.enet.dec.com (Jim Hodges)
Subject: v4.0 reboot command 
Reply-To: jim@pisaro.enet.dec.com (Jim Hodges)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:39:51 GMT


Hello,

I've noticed that the reboot command doesn't appear to work. After
issuing the shutdown 
and sync commands, I issue the command  reboot, and my system just sits
there...

Is this a "feature"(known/reported problem) ?  Anyone else have a
similar experience
with this command?

	Thanks,
	jim
From: mfaurot@phzzzt.uucp (Michael Faurot)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: 16550 support appears buggy
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:15:00 GMT
Organization: A.T.W.W.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

The problem with the 16550 UARTs vs the 16450 UARTs has been solved.  After
testing another revision of the kernel & numerious other hardware handsprings
it turns out there's nothing wrong with the 16550 support in the Coherent
async drivers.

The problem, as fate would have it, was entirely in the modem (Hayes V Series
9600).  This modem is capable of doing a certain amount of buffering itself
especially during error correcting calls (ie, MNP or V.42) or when it's
handling the speed differential of a 9,600+ BPS DTE speed while talking
to a slower modem.  The problem apparently was in the way this buffer 
was configured on the modem coupled with what appears to me to be a difference 
in speed between the 16450 and the 16550 possibly where RTS/CTS signaling is 
concerned.

I'm not enough of a tech to be able to say for certain, but the way it appeared
things were working was that the 16450 was slow enough that the Hayes had
enough time to empty it's buffers.  When put on a 16550 it couldn't empty
it's buffers fast enough so it was flushing them.

At any rate, a reset to the factory defaults where these on-board buffers
were concerned and then the modem was working properly on both the 16450s
and 16550 UARTs.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: comeau@csanta.attmail.com (Greg Comeau)
Subject: Re: GCC etc
Originator: comeau@well.sf.ca.us
Reply-To: comeau@csanta.attmail.com (Greg Comeau)
Organization: Comeau Computing
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:43:18 GMT

In article <9212131744.21@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>> How about it guys and gals?  Lets leave the COMPILER writing to the gang at
>>> MWC (it's what THEY do best!).  Why saddle ourselves with a compiler that has
>>> to bow and scrape to the idol of portability?  The vendor knows his environment
>>> and how to optomize for it.  The people at MWC could, i'm sure, build an ANSI
>>> compliant compiler that would run rings around GCC.  In the meantime why don't
>>> we do something productive, like build a CFRONT that spits out code to use the
>>> existing cc on Coherent?  Who knows, if we build it correctly, it may even 
>>> run on the 3.xx versions. 
>
>>Whatsa CFRONT?
>
>CFRONT is the AT&T C++ precompiler that produces code for the C compiler.
>
>It is the "standard" against which C++ compilers are judged for correctness.
>It will also parse ANSI C and pass it to a K&R compiler.
>
>Comeau C++ is a port of CFRONT.

That is correct.  And in fact we've had a Comeau C++ 3.0 With Templates
port literally sitting here since before 4.0 got released waiting for MWC
to fix some problems with their  C compiler and tool set, etc.  Our COHERENT
C++ is finished and waiting.

We find this highly disturbing however we did receive a call from them this
week for the first time in months, so perhaps our release is near.
(We find it double disturbing because we also see and hear comment about them
porting PD stuff, and these kinda things can only lead us to believe that they
are not serious about third parties that make efforts to support them).

- Greg
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Colorado Systems - Conversation
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:04:40 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <1992Dec16.225045.1285@netcom.com> messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:
>rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Dec14.175700.22691@netcom.com> messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:
>
>>>That's a noble intention.  Just show me a tape drive first that's as
>>>inexpensive as Colorado and as proven as Colorado.
>>>I think we should try to convince them first.
>>
>>The real answer is SCSI tape.
>>Tape drives that connect to floppy controllers suck.
>
>Agreed.  That still doesn't answer my question, though.  Have you compared
>the prices for SCSI tapes vs. floppy tapes lately?  Also, for many small
>businesses floppy tape solutions are more than sufficient (if a bit slow).


I know a lot of people who've had problems with reliability using floppy
tapes.  I don't trust them.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: Re: Additional library directories
Organization: Messina Software
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:20:59 GMT

rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) responds to GCC related post:

>Coherent seems pretty reliable to me.  MWC software is alpha and beta tested
>before it is shipped.  It's unfortunate that MWC can't supply you with your
>favorite C compiler.

Actually, I hope that COH stays lean and mean (but with virtual memory
and TCPIP).  If I need huge system with Emacs, GCC and X, there is
386BSD (which I do have) and a plethora of others.  I prefer several
specialized tools that fit their roles very well to one for everything
that barely does anything right or requires CRAY-like resources. 

t.
From: sjsobol@wariat.org (Steven J. Sobol)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Some naive Coherent questions
Date: 12 Dec 92 21:44:51 GMT
Organization: APK Public Access Unix * Cleveland, OH
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Bob Amstadt (bob@amscons.amscons.com) wrote:

: > 6. What are realistic disk requirements for Coherent? I know the advert.
: >    claims 10 meg - is this close?
: 
: The first time I brought up Coherent I had only a 15 Meg partition available.
: It worked fine.  Your space requirements will depend on what you load on to
: the system after you get it running.  I now have Coherent running on an 80MB
: partition.  I have about 10MB free, 10MB used by the operating system, and
: 60MB used by news.
My partition is 20 mb, and I have mail and ~1.5mb of news sitting on the drive
at any one time. 

-- 
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(216) 481-9436 <2400 baud>     (216) 481-9425 <v.32bis, TurboPEP>
Telnet: wariat.org   To register: send e-mail to info@wariat.org, or
log in to BBS and download file 'user.new' from file area 2.

Also President of The Tiny Software Co.   E-Mail Address: sjsobol@tiny.com
From: tundra@eskimo.chi.il.us (Tundra Tim Daneliuk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Perl for Coherent 3.2.1 ?
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:15:31 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>
Organization: TundraWare

>
> Is there a port of Perl available for Coherent 3.2.1?
>
> -John D. Boggs     jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us
>

Yes. Contact MWC for a copy of their COHWare GNU Tools Disk Set. I
believe its $49.95.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Subject: Re: Linux ??????
Followup-To: comp.os.linux
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:14:03 GMT

"Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet> writes:
>In article <9212131817.AA49339@st6000.sct.edu> you write:
>>    what is  linux ???
>
>        A port of BSD 4.? to 386 boxes.  Is full BSD from what I hear.

No, that's 386BSD.  Linux was written completely from scratch, and is,
in fact, not particularly far away from SYSV, although it's pretty
close to BSD too.

>>     How does it compare to COH ?????
>
>        Has networking, sockets & virtual memory.  Is full BSD, not something
>trying to be sys V.
>        Is "PD" so is no support number you can call when there are problems.

>Current rumor is that one must have ftp access to get it and the many
>patches..  and be able to apply them.  If that is so, I wouldn't
>recommend it for the beginner or faint of heart.

It is available via several other channels too, and even with FTP you
can get the full source to the kernel, instead of the patches.  But if
you prefer, you can just get a binary distribution, install that, and
have (almost) everything done.  Look for the SLS package, which is the
most fullfeatured one of the various packages.

>>      Where do I get it from ?????
>
>        Ask on comp.os.linux.. it's probably in a FAQ there too.

Several, in fact.  Not that many people seem to find them.  My crontab
posts every Monday a Meta-FAQ that points to various sources of Linux
information.  Start with that and follow the pointers.  Also, you
might want to read comp.os.linux.announce, a new group, for a more
condensed picture.

Followups directed to comp.os.linux, as further discussion is more
relevant to that group than comp.os.coherent.

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi  (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi)
   MS-DOS, you can't live with it, you can live without it.
From: shendrix@PCS.CNU.EDU (Charles Shannon Hendrix)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Tcl to replacement most of /bin & /usr/bin (was: Tcl on Linux
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:54:37 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
> gdm@shrdlu.kwnet.on.ca (Giles D Malet) writes:
> >I don't think Linus will be off to jail soon.
>
> I wouldn't be particularly surprised if copy-on-write is patented (the
> US is crazy enough :), but I _would_ be surprised if Linus gets bit by
> it, since the patent doesn't apply in Finland (we're not quite that
> crazy :).

        No it doesn't apply, yet.  The EC and other groups want the
US to support software patents with them though (so says one of the
computer mags) so that could change.  Its a mess and I hope its
rejected.  Is definitely is crazy.

        Yeah, Linux is probably safe.  But what about all of Linuxers
in the US?  Hah... doubt it is a threat at all but I still wish software
patents just weren't there.

>
> --
> Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi  (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi)
>    MS-DOS, you can't live with it, you can live without it.
>

Csh
From: shendrix@PCS.CNU.EDU (Charles Shannon Hendrix)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Tcl to replacement most of /bin & /usr/bin (was: Tcl on Linux
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:50:47 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
> In article <9212032016.AA11677@PCS.CNU.EDU>
>  "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet> writes:
>         (well, Shannon Hendrix, actually).
>
> >Also, Linux uses shared copy on right segments which is patented by IBM
> >and I'm pretty sure Linus isn't authorized to use them.
>
> I assume you mean `copy on write' ?

        Yeah, typo.

> May I also assume you have no idea what this actually is ?

        You might also assume the world is flat...  I'm no expert
but I know what it is.

>
> I know there are some daft patents around, but since this is such a
> simple idea (aren't they all), and is the expected way of programming in
> protected mode on the [34]86 (and decent chips too), I'd be amazed if
> this were true.

        All of the software patents are daft.  And yes, this is true.
The exclusive-or operation applied to graphics is patented by CadTrak and
I'd say its pretty well "expected" too.  Natural-order recalc is pretty
obvious and it is patented by Refrac Technologies in New York.  The
patent office doesn't know what it's doing and patents for software are
screwed up.  So, be amazed all you want.  You should also be disgusted
with the patent system.  Hopefully, groups like the League for Programming
Freedom will be able to elminate software patents or at least drastically
alter the evaluation of them.  There are no easy answers to software
legal issues but I think patents are of no use to software.

>
> I don't think Linus will be off to jail soon.

        Didn't say he would.  But, IBM does have a legal right to
stop him if they so choose.  Since many OS's use this, I doublt its
a big deal to them or it is iffy and wouldn't stand up in court.

>
> >Shannon Hendrix                |shendrix@pcs.cnu.edu
>
> --
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 ca
> Waterloo, Ont, Canada       +1 519 725 5726       gdmalet@descartes.uwaterloo.
 ca
>

Csh
From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Coherent - the ultimate BBS in itself?
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:03:54 GMT
Organization: DarkTower Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Duane Davis (system@micromed.com) wrote:
: Maybe it's different where you are at, but since Silicon Valley has the
: highest density of computer users in the country (if not the world) I would
: consider it a much better indicator.

It probably also has the highest density of computer aware people in
the country as well, so it makes it a *poor* indicator rather than a good 
one.

It would be like going to MIT and asking people to explain 
laws of submolecular physics, and saying that is a good indicator of the
ability of college students across the country to explain quarks.

Or better yet, ask people in lower income areas why street gangs exist
and then ask people in Winnetka (Chicagoland version of Malibu).

The point is that when you are surrounded by something, you know much
more about it than the average person across the country.  I know nothing
about farm equipment, but I'm sure kids farther south in Illinois know
more about it just because it's all around them.  If I went out to
the back forty, I'd end up being baled!

As a college student, I can tell you that most students know how to use
a wordprocessor, and that's about it.  With Windows and LAN networks, most
of them don't even know what c> means.

-Louis
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From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:44:17 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <92121119638@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca> root@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca (Superuser) writes:
>tpa10@snappy-tom.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Thomas P. Anderson) writes:
>> 
>[ much deleted... }
>> 
>> How about it guys and gals?  Lets leave the COMPILER writing to the gang at
>> MWC (it's what THEY do best!).  Why saddle ourselves with a compiler that has
>> to bow and scrape to the idol of portability?  The vendor knows his environment
>> and how to optomize for it.  The people at MWC could, i'm sure, build an ANSI
>> compliant compiler that would run rings around GCC.  In the meantime why don't
>> we do something productive, like build a CFRONT that spits out code to use the
>> existing cc on Coherent?  Who knows, if we build it correctly, it may even 
>> run on the 3.xx versions. 

>Whatsa CFRONT?

CFRONT is the AT&T C++ precompiler that produces code for the C compiler.

It is the "standard" against which C++ compilers are judged for correctness.
It will also parse ANSI C and pass it to a K&R compiler.

Comeau C++ is a port of CFRONT.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
From: root@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca (Superuser)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Why no ANSI C compiler?
Date: 13 Dec 92 06:15:10 GMT
Organization: RWSYS Exporter BBS system

dfp10@thor.albany.edu (D Parsons) writes:
> What is the problem? We have a standard why not follow it? Some of us
> obtined COHERENT in order to learn programming. Don
> 
> -- 
> 
> Donald F. Parsons MD, Wadsworth Ctr. Rm C273, NY State Dept of Health, ESP,
> PO Box 509, Albany, NY 12201-0509. (518)474-7047 Fax: (518)474-7992
> dfp10@uacsc2.albany.edu dfp10@albnydh2.bitnet Cis 71777,212
> 
The Coherent compiler does follow a standard. And you can definitely learn
to program with it. I work with both K&R and ANSI. I may be the only
person on Earth that feels this way, but I prefer to work in K&R. If I had
a K&R for my dos-box, I would use that instead of the ANSI compiler. But,
I really believe this only a matter of preference. I have not found anything
that I can do in ANSI and can't do in K&R, or vica-versa.

However, There is a veritable thunder of demand around here for the
ANSI compiler. It is clear that an ANSI compiler will come down the
pike soon, but don't be too concerned that knowledge you pick up on
the K&R compiler will be of no use if you use ANSI. There simply
isn't *that* much difference between the two standards.

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From: kestas@lith.UUCP (Kestutis Sliupas)
Subject: Re: Why no ANSI C compiler?
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:04:14 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Vacaville, CA

messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:
> If you want to have all warnings that you can possibly imagine, use lint.
> Tony
	This is a good suggestion. Does anyone know where to get
lint for Coherent?
				Regards, Kestas

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 kestas%lith@infopro.com     x  (510) 231-1285 (work FAX) USA CA  
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: zjoc01@hou.amoco.com (Jack O. Coats)
Subject: Re: Colorado Systems - Conversation
Summary: Trash CMS tape backup
Keywords: tape CMS backup
Reply-To: zjoc01@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:51:06 GMT

Anyone have an e-mail address for CMS, or especially anyone there that cares? ... JC
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Coh/linux/gcc/etc
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:52:21 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <92121119690@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca> root@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca (Superuser) writes:
>shendrix@PCS.CNU.EDU (Charles Shannon Hendrix) writes:
>> > I was quoted $49 for GCC.
>> 
>>         A little high for a GCC compiler don't you think?  If they put
>> it on raven or some other public access, with complete source, then the
>> $49 for those who don't have net access is OK.  A little high, but OK.
>> 
>
>Sounds like it might be a license violation. 

Not as long as they include the source or make it available.

And they offer support.

Buy a Sun SPARC running Solaris 2.x, and get the GCC port with support
from CYGNUS.

It will cost $1000 per year for the support.

Amiga SVR4, NeXTStep, and Dell SVR4 all use GCC as the native compiler.

And they all charge money for it in one way or the other.  And they all
drastically rewrote parts of GCC to produce the code that they wanted.

MWC also rewrite a lot of GCC.

Call up GNU and ask them to send you a tape of the generic GCC sources.
It will cost you several hundred dollars.  That's how GNU makes their
money.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
From: tn@darktow.GUN.de (Thomas Neugebauer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: tar with Coherent 4.0.1
Date: 19 Dec 92 04:02:29 GMT
Organization: Dark-Tower, Cologne, FRG

Hello!

I've massive problems with tar extracting under Coh 4.0.1.
I got cnews from raven and try to unpack it. 

tar xf cnews.tar

Then tar starts and says something like:

cnews.tar: this doesn't look like a tar archive

The same procedure with wnews and other files from raven. What can i do?
Is it a mistake of mine or is tar buggy, is the tar-file corrupt?

Please help...

Bye, Thomas




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