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From: sachin@sdd.hp.com (Sachin Naik)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: How to determine year of a car?
Date: 22 Jul 1992 08:36:26 -0700
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
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I was wondering how to determine the year a car was manufactured.
I was thinking of getting a 87-89 Integra and if I get an 89,
I want to make sure it's not an 87 or 88.  Is there something
on the car that tells you what year it is?  

Thanks,

Sachin Naik
From: ceng@mdd.comm.mot.com (Curtis Eng)
Subject: Saturn SC vs. Nissan 240SX
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:43:56 GMT

My friend is going to buy a car soon.  He's narrowed it down to The Saturn SC or
the Nissan 240SX.  I want him to buy the Saturn and I've been trying to convince
him to do so.  I've been trying to dig up some trash on the 240SX but the only
problem is, I can't!  It got good scores in CR`s auto issue and I haven't heard
anything really bad about it.  

Can any of you Saturn fans help me dig up some trash on the 240SX so my friend
will buy the SC?  Thanks in advance.
From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: LOJACK
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:50:25 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <Bs2GxI.JKu@wpi.WPI.EDU>, beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller) writes:
> 
> does anyone out there have A LOJACK system????
> 
> is it worth the $$$ (how much does it cost anyway????)
> any info would be great!
> 
> any ohter information about other alarm systems CLUB, ect....
> 
> 
> what is the best system to get???
> how much will it cost me????
> any info??


I don't have one, and supposedly they are very good, however,  I believe that 
you have to notify the police when your car is stolen so that they can activate
it.  If you park your car @ 8:00am and go to work and you get out at 5:00pm and
find your car gone.  Good luck trying to find it.  If the car was stolen around
9 or 10:00am, by the time you notify the police and they find it, you might not
have anything left but a chassis and a few wires if your lucky.  If I'm wrong,
I'm sure I'll here it from the other "netters" out there who have them.

--Rob
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Extended warranties for Hondas
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:47:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Jul27.194352.22648@meaddata.com> bgm@meaddata.com (Brian McKee) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.200312.23071@mixcom.com>, kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com (kevin.jessup) writes:
>|> 
>|> I will be buying a 1992 Honda Civic LX in about a week.  The dealer is
>|> offering an extended warranty plan through Heritage Insurance Group (A
>|> Quaker State Company).
>|> 
>|> First of all (all you Honda owners out there) do I need a warranty beyond
>|> the 3-year bumper-to-bumper warranty that comes with the car?  (I have a
>|> 1988 Mazda 323 for which I bought a $400.00 extended warranty.  Am I
>|> glad I did!!)
>|> 
>|> Also, has anyone out there dealt with Heritage Insurance?
>|> 
>|> -- 
>|> Kevin Jessup, bbwwbb@mixcom.mixcom.com
>
>I have a 1988 Honda Civic for which I bought an extended 5-year warranty.  I
>haven't needed it (at least not so far).  The only things I've had to have 
>done on my car is replace the tires and brakes (both normal wear & tear).  My 
[stuff bagged]>
>There are too many stipulations and requirements in most extended warranties 
>to make them worth it.  Having read the document in fine detail, I can guess
>that I'd have a hard time collecting on anything if I ever needed to.
>
>
>I would not buy the extended warranty again (at least not for a Honda).  If
>the dealer tries to hard-sell it to you (and you don't want it), use the line
>I've heard in this newsgroup a few times: 
>
>"The whole reason I'm buying a Honda is for its reliability. If you think I
>need the extended warranty so badly, you must know something I don't.  Thanks
>for the info.  Think I'll go buy a Toyota".
>
>That should shut them up.
>-- 
>Brian McKee            |

ugh...here comes that compulsive urge....i gotta say it....
extended warranties are a ripoff...always...never buy one!
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: shankar@navajo.berkeley.edu (Shankar Narayanaswamy)
Subject: California sales tax for used cars
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:06:42 GMT

When a person buys a used car in California, the sales tax is payable
on registration. However, this tax varies with the county. So if the
purchaser registers the car in a county far away from his residence
can he avoid the higher tax rate? For example, in the San Francisco
Bay Area counties the sales tax is 8.25% but outside that it drops
to 7% or thereabouts (I think). Thanks.

Shankar
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From: mike@crg4.waterloo.edu (Mike Aksmanovic)
Subject: Opinions on 1972 Porsche 914??
Keywords: 914
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:36:35 GMT

Hi,

I'm currently considering picking up my next 'toy', a 1972 Porsche 914.
What I would like to know is:

        1) What are the things to look out for on this car.

        2) Are there any good references as to the history of
           this car?  Manufacturing history, variations of this
           car between years etc.

Replies via e-mail or this newsgroup are fine. I've finally gotten
enough time to resubscribe again.

Thanks,
        Mike Aksmanovic

/ Mike Aksmanovic - mike@crg4.waterloo.edu | mike@crg4.uwaterloo.ca           \
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| key it plays a little melody" - Kraftwerk:                                  |
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From: thatchh@hplsla.hp.com (Thatch Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: ++WIDDEST TIRE OF 5.5"wide RIM???++
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:10:42 GMT
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA




        Look in rec.autos.tech for more answers to this question.
And please avoid posting to both groups.

              Thatch Harvey
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: joel@fps.com (Joel Broude)
Subject: 86-88 T'bird: Turbo, V6 or V8?
Organization: Cray Research Superservers Inc., San Diego CA, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:01:00 GMT


My brother is searching for an '86 through '88 T-Bird or
Couger, the best he can get for under $6k.  

The T-Birds come with a V8 (302ci), V6, or
turbocharged four.  The Cougers seem to come with only
a V6 (fuel-injected for '88, carburated before that).  Most
T-Birds and Cougers seem to need shocks except the T-Bird Turbo 
Coupes.

Got any advice regarding these cars or engine choices?

(Reply to joel@cray.com or post)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: saab advice
Keywords: saab, turbo, 900, 9000, car shopping
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:01:20 GMT

In article <70609@apple.Apple.COM> dks@Apple.COM (dk smith) writes:
>The SAAB 900 is the greatest, too!
>

My test vehicle last week was a '92 Saab 900T convertible.
I was MOST disappointed - especially considering the fact
that the sticker was around $35K.

I know a lot of folks that swear by Saabs, but my first experience
with this particular car was not good.

bob
From: psriniva@mipos2.intel.com (Partha Srinivasan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Sentra E vs. Saturn SL (SE-R & SC)
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:07:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel Corporation

In article <5zfmfz@lynx.unm.edu>, dgalb@carina.unm.edu (David Galbraith CIRT) writes:
|> I've been following this debate, and I just have a quick point to bring up.
|> 
|> When you buy a car, you should look not just at the car, but at the dealer
|> to.
|> 
|> ps.
|> 
|> The saturn SC can kick a sentra E's butt :)  I raced a friend, (on a fairly
|> empty 2 mile stretch of road) and he didn't even have a chance...  Maybe 
|> he's just a poor driver ;)
|> 
|> (I've never driven the sentra, so what would I know... :)

I doubt that the same can be said of the SE-R - given equally
competent drivers.
The SC should really be compared with a Sentra SE-R.
They are comparable price-wise, and are both sport-coupes.
The SE-R develop 140 HP, and 132 lb-ft and no, its not
like a typically high strung Honda engine.  It develops
very good torque at 2000 rpm (recommended shift point for 5th
is 2200 rpm).
The SC is a really good car too.  In my case I found a Sentra SE-R
with A/C for 11000 (MSRP - $13000) - for which price I could not have had a 
SC and basically that was what carried the day.
The Saturn cannot be negotiated, and I have become accustomed to
getting fleet deals on my cars.

/Partha
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From: dlou@ECE.UCSD.EDU (Dennis Lou)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Sentra E vs. Saturn SL
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:24:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <5037@transfer.stratus.com> cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com writes:
>Amazing results ?  Hardly. Yes, please post the tests. I know from driving
>both cars what you'll find. The SE-R is marginally quicker according to the
>numbers, but I'll take the superior torque of the Saturn engine any day. 
>Again, you are letting magazine reviews run your life, instead of actually
>driving both cars and posting YOUR opinions (as I'm doing now).
>You'll also find the SL2 has better brakes (when ABS equipped), has larger
>and wider wheels and tires - giving better handling, more interior room, and  
>it's a Saturn (excellent dealer service, roadside assistance, etc).
>
>Any of us can read reviews by the automotive press. Not all of us will take
>their reviews as gospel. Put the magazines away and go drive some cars. Or
>won't they let you ?

I'd take the Sentra because it has manual three point safety belts
while the Saturn has those crummy mouse belts.

An air bag and mouse belts are pretty useless when your passengers
forget about the lap belt.  Oh, and don't bother blaming the
passengers for ignorance.  This issue of forgetting the lap belt is a
cognitive engineering problem and blame shoule be shared by the
designers.


--
Dennis Lou             || "But Yossarian, what if everyone thought that way?"
dlou@ucsd.edu          || "Then I'd be crazy to think any other way!"
[backbone]!ucsd!dlou   |+====================================================
dlou@ucsd.BITNET       |Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak went to my high school.
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From: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: More CHP shit!
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:08:54 GMT
Reply-To: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Followup-To: rec.autos
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos, mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:
>Know why we (California) are in IOUs? becuase the CHP is
>buying fancy mustangs and probes, and gmc syclones.

    I'll bet the cars more than pay for themselves in terms of how much
revenue (i.e. speeding fines) they bring in.  (half a :-))
    BTW, I was curious, can traffic offenders in Calif pay their fines
with IOUs???  :-)
				      Steve
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Mazda Xedos 6
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:01:11 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: cc433336@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu's message of 20 Jul 92 16:32:14 GMT

In article <Jul20.163214.28461@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:

   I saw an full page ad in a recent issue of The Times (of London) on a new
   car by Mazda called Xedos 6. It seems similar in size and design to the 626
   which is also available in Britain. It sells for #18,000 while the top of
   the line 626 (ES?) sells for #19,000. So, what's so special about the
   Xedos?

"Car" magazine wondered the same thing.  They pointed out that it has a
smaller, less powerful engine than is available on the 626, too.

--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)

		
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ericy@crchh435.bnr.ca (Eric Youngblood)
Subject: Re: IT'S YOUR FAULT!
Reply-To: ericy@crchh435.bnr.ca (Eric Youngblood)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:13:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.174231.160@lrc.edu>, blosser_cy@lrc.edu writes:
|> You filthy money-grubbing, rich capitalist pigs driving fast sports cars and
|> gas-guzzling automobiles, polluting the air with the nauseating stench of ex
|> haust, creating acid rain, and melting a gaping hole in the ever-diminishing
|> ozone layer...it's all your fault this world is so f--ked up!!! If everybody
|> got rid of their automobiles, we'd have a much nicer environment to leave to 
|> our children!!!! 
|> 

so.....

What's your point.

Ericy
 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: gcagle@dracula.mentorg.com (Greg Cagle)
Subject: Need information - BMW 635CSi
Originator: gcagle@dracula.mentorg.com
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:41:12 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics 
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 


A friend of mine is thinking about buying a late '80s BMW
635CSi. I'd appreciate any background information that
might be useful. Thanks in advance.

- Greg

-- 
Greg Cagle               "The burglar from Banf-f-f."
Mentor Graphics          
greg_cagle@mentorg.com
From: barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM (Mark Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: More CHP shit!
Date: 22 Jul 1992 00:05:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: vavau.corp.sun.com


In article 3eZL00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com, fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) writes:
>  I didn't expect the CHP to be out in '93 Probes either since the state
>is bankrupt and has been issuing IOUs to state employees for three
>weeks now (geez :-( ).
>
>  It's nice to see where California has its priorities...

And you can bet you will see more of this.
'Better' entrap(...uh...force)ment fills coffers,
while at the same time it has the 'virtue' of punishing law-breakers.
Watch for higher fines in your neighborhood soon!

---Mark


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Rotaries
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:46:49 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <CC.92Jul21110720@carna.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk
(Chris Cooke) writes:
>
>The British rule since time immemorial has been that vehicles on the
>rotary (I'd call it a roundabout, I assume this is the same thing) always
>have the right of way.  The French rule used to be the opposite, that
>vehicles on the rotary had to give way to entering vehicles.  This latter

Were there any yield signs inside the roundabout? If I remember well, there
were yield signs at the entries to roundabouts in Cyprus.

>rule can occasionally lead to complete deadlock (as my old parallel
>architectures lecturer told me :-)   Since Cyprus used to be a British colony
>I expect they inherited the British traffic conventions.

Indeed. We even drive on the left. Also, when the "need" arises to use a
foreign word, we usually use an English one. So, instead of using the Greek
"kyklikos komvos" ("circular knot") we use the term "roundabout".
I have noticed that in Greece, when the "need" arose to use a foreign word,
they usually used a French one. Evidently, they also used (use?) the French
driving system. (By the way, they don't use the French word for roundabout,
but the Greek "kykliki diastavrosi" ("circular intersection").)

Please remind me: Roundabouts in Britain are clockwise, aren't they? Should
I assume they are counterclockwise in countries where they drive on the
right?
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas
From: carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Luxury Performance Cars
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:19:38 GMT
	<1992Jul22.182646.24436@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
	<1992Jul22.203506.3107@cs.yale.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: yang-allan@CS.YALE.EDU's message of 22 Jul 92 16:34:57 GMT
bcc: carl


> > I've driven the Legend and I have to say, it's pretty numb...  Typical
> > Japanese.  The Vigor is merely a slightly streched Accord.  What a
> > ripoff...  The DSP stereo is a gimmick and once the novelty wears off, you
> > ignore it.  The Saab stereo is a 100 watt system with cassette, in-dash CD,
> > _and_ graphic equalizer/spectrum analyzer with the option of an additional
> > changer, controlled by the head unit...  
> >

>You criticize DSP as a gimmick and you love 100 watt in a car? Are
>you deaf or what? Give me a break!

We have a Vigor with the DSP and I've loved it since we've had it.
You can call it a gimmick - I like the different acoustics based on
the type of music we're listening to.

A couple of posts ago Eliot criticized the Vigors handling on some "S"
bends so I decided to switch cars with my wife and give it a shot.
Well, maybe I didn't get a normal Vigor (yea, right) but the
suspension on our Vigor is nice and tight and didn't get bent out of
shape one bit on some pretty drastic attitude changes.

-Carl-
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cbh@opus.mlb.semi.harris.com (Cherie Slasor)
Subject: Opinions Wanted
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:51:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

My husband and I have narrowed our new-car search to four models, and I'm
looking for opinions from any netlanders who may have experience with any
of these.  I've read all the magazine articles so I'm not interested in 
rehashes of those.  We haven't test-driven any of these yet, so that may
narrow down the list (my husband worries about head-room even tho he's only
about 5'11"), but I'm still interested in comments about them.

What we want is a 1992 2-door car (not a 2-seater because we occasionally
have to squeeze a 17-year old in the back) and we'd like to keep it under
$15,000 if we can.  I know the Mazda would probably have to be a 93 model.
These are what we are considering:
 
Mazda MX6 (Base Model - a little out of our price range but maybe they can
	  be talked down.)

Eagle Talon (Base Model - not the TSi)

Saturn SC

Honda Civic Si or DX

Any comments, suggestions, don't-dare-buy-this-car advice?

Oh yeah, A/C is an absolute must.  I will also need cruise control and was
wondering if anyone had any advice as to whether it is better to have that
as a factory-installed option or if it is OK to add one later.


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sukenick@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (SYG)
Subject: Re: Strange Sales Approach at Saturn
Organization: City College of New York - Science Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:45:41 GMT

>>EXCEPT.... the very low differential between the dealer cost and the
>>Instead of building in a lot of "sky" or bargaining room into the sticker price
>you can get a car for about 2-4% over dealer cost and they can get by on

As still another poster asked, does that include holdbacks,kickbacks, 
dealer discounts for # of cars sold, etc. all  which jack up the invoice
price?


Anyway, the bottom line is:
The question that you should ask yourself:

When you buy a Saturn at the list (or list - trade in) price,
do you get as much as another car (features, reliability, etc)
which you pay x% over dealer invoice (- trade in)? 
(and maybe if Saturn is a few $$ more, will it be made up by
not having to haggle (some people enjoy haggling though) and
(possibly) less problems if something goes wrong with the
car?)  And then add somethiing because if the dealer is not
near you, it will be less convenient to service
(even if you do stuff yourself, parts are usually
hard to get or to find the equiivalent # for the first year)



Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: pbarone@x102a.ess.harris.com (barone philip 00309)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Passport or Escort DSP radar detector
Organization: Harris ESS, Melbourne, Fla.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:29:32 GMT

seanr@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Sean Reifschneider) writes:
: In article <1992Jul19.224531.22477@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:
: >I'm looking for a good used Passport or Escort DSP radar detector with
: >accessories.  I'm willing to pay around $50 or so for the Passport and 
: >more for the Escort DSP (suggest a price - I'm not 100% sure what I should
: 
: Well, the DSP is a collectors piece now.  They don't make them any more.  I'll
: sell you mine for about $3000.
: 
   I can't tell if you're kidding or not. Anyway I saw the DSP's in a Damark
catalog a couple of weeks ago.

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From: wxh1925@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: car needed for parts (Cutlass Supreme)
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:46:59 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

I need a 4-door Cutlass 1981 to 1986 for parts.  If you have
one you want to get rid of and make some money, or you know of 
a friend who may wants to sell please E_mail me.  Your help
will be greatly appreciated.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: fitchitt@wam.umd.edu ()
Subject: Re: 200 sx turbo
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:59:22 GMT

In article <76745@ut-emx.uucp> gokhan@voyager.me.utexas.edu (Gokhan Usanmaz) writes:
>Hi folks,
>
>Two , three weeks ago ,I was planning to buy an 85 or 86 CRX so I send an E-mail
>to share your past experience about the car.Thanx for your kind interest and 
>help. I tried hard to find one but there wasn't any in Austin.It seems like
>nobody wants to sell his/her CRX. Anyway, I finally gave up and bought a
>Nissan 200 sx Turbo,85 model. The car is at 95K and it is fully loaded (digi-tal
>,power everything, 5 speed etc.).
>I have no clue about this babe, and I will appreciate any suggestions regarding
>the maintenance.(Hoping your positive comments)
> 
> Yours,                                                       Gokhan
>
> (Nothing special to put at the bottom part,sorry!)

You will probably want to change the oil, then again in < 1000 miles. Just
to make sure... Also look for RUST, by '84 Nissan had fixed this problem
for the most part... but look under carpet anyway, you don't want a "suprise"

Might want to change other "tuneup" items, just so you know the condition.

I have a 280ZX ('81) 100480 miles on it (turned 100,000 on a draw bridge!)

I bought it wish 92,000. I noticed some probs with the sparkplug wires,
and upon inspection, found that they were the factory originals! I changed
the plugs as well, but luckily, the previous owners had done both this and the
oil regularly, so hopfully it will last anther 50,000 or more.

Although I'm worried about the radiator, I want to flush it, but I'm afraid
that stop-leak was used at one point, and that I'll just open up those holes
with a flush. Any suggestions?