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From: jhalvers@plains (Jon Halverson)
Subject: Re: BOOKS NEEDED: tube primer
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:04:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


   Me too, any suggestions out there? I'm already planning to get the Tube
Amp III book.

Capo Salut 

jh
From: tespy@sw.stratus.com (Tony Espy)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Tube Amp Recommendations
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:59:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
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In article <1993Jan26.160814.11650@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>, chris@ccs.northeastern.edu (Chris Dunn) writes:
> Here are some that I'm considering based on price, design, and reputation:
> 
> New:
> 
> - Peavey's new tweed amps.  50 watts, vintage design, comes in 2x12 and
>   4x10 combos.  Also small 15 watt 1x10 may become available sometime.
> 
> - Carvin XV112, all tube 100 watt, 1x12 combo.
> 
> - Hughes & Kettner ATS 60 Combo.  65 watt, 1x12 combo, with I believe
>   a tube preamp.
> 
> Used:
> 
> - Bedrock BC-75 Combo, 2x12 vintage all tube combo, 75 watts.
> - Bedrock Lead 50c combo, all tube 1x12 combo, 75 watts.


> 
> - Tubeworks 2112 combo 1x12, 100 watts, tube preamp, "MosValve" power amp.

    Here's a review I posted about the 2112 awhile back...


  Another company that builds a MOSFET amp design is
  TubeWorks ( they make the Real Tube pedal ).  Their
  power amps are called MosValve.  I recently bought 
  a 1-12" combo from them that is basically their Real Tube II
  preamp combined with a 100 watt MosValve power amp.
  I was blown away by the sound of this amp.  I had been
  looking to buy a Bedrock ( very pricey ), but happened 
  to see an ad in some guitar rag for the Tubeworks amp.

  It took me awhile to find one ( I eventually called
  Tubeworks ), but I'm glad I spent the time.

  The pre-amp section has 2 12AX-7s.  It's set up with 
  a clean channel that is similar to their Blue-Tube 
  circuit ( about half the gain as the Real-Tube ).
  The dirty channel is like a hot-rodded Real Tube, 
  lots of crunch.  I can get some really sweet lead 
  tones from it.  There's also a "stack" mode, where 
  you can stack both channels for over-the-top leads.

  Each channel has its own gain, master, and 3-band
  EQ.  There's also a seperate volume for the "stack"
  which essentially gives you a 3rd channel.  They
  set the foot-pedal up with two jacks; if you plug
  into one jack, you get clean/dirty with one switch,
  and the second kicks the stack mode on/off; plugging
  into the second gives you clean/dirty and reverb 
  on/off ( Accutronics spring reverb tank ).  They also
  say if you want all three operations, you buy a 2nd
  single switch pedal and plug it into the 2nd jack.

  The other thing that blew me away was the effects loop.
  There are level controls on the back of the head for
  both send and receive, plus a mix ( wet/dry ) knob on
  the front.

  I'm using it to drive an old Ampeg 4-12" and it sounds
  great.  There are 2 speaker outs, with the internal speaker
  plugged into one of them, so it's pretty easy to play
  with different speaker combinations.
  
  I _LOVE_ this amp!  Try one out if you get a chance.


					.
				/tony . . .
					.



    "Jazz isn's dead, it just smells funny." - FZ
From: jepstein@titan.ucs.umass.edu (Jonathan Epstein)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Mesa Boogie- SOB question
Date: 25 Jan 1993 13:20:13 -0500
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucs.umass.edu


I would like to have any/all information on the Mesa Boogie, Son of
Boogie amp. I have seen several used models at relatively low prices
and would appreciate any information.

Thanks in advance.

-Jon
jepstein@titan.ucs.umass.edu
From: dstuart@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Artificial harmonics
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:23:52 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

In article <1993Jan23.232327.19103@cs.tulane.edu>, butterwo@cs.tulane.edu (Blake Butterworth) writes:
> 
>     Speaking of harmonics, could some of the more experienced guitarists out
> there give me some pointers on techniques to sounding artificial harmonics?
> Do you use your index or middle finger or choke up on the pick?  Sounding the
> harmonics isn't difficult, its just playing them at fast speeds that is
> really difficult for me.  I've noticed alot of guitarists, especially in the
> hard rock/heavy metal genres, have mastered these techniques and use them in
> there music alot.  They blaze through a solo or even an up tempo riff, sound
> some harmonics and keep on going.  Can someone give me some insight?  Thanks.
> 
> Blake

	The best instruction I have ever seen on this technique is in Eric
Johnson's tutorial video. Its great!

						STU
From: jhalvers@plains (Jon Halverson)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: HELP! MY NECKS BENDING!!!
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:02:44 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

eng10392@nusunix1.nus.sg (PETER DAVEKUMAR STEPHENS) writes:
: 
: 
: 
: 	I've got this accoustic with a really neat cut away and I got it
: for a steal . The problem is that the neck is starting to bow a little
: and so its getting hard to do really fast stuff down at around the 12th
: fret and beyond.I know that its probably because I lean it against a
:  wall quite alot but is there any way I can fix it. Please someone help
: me save my only guitar!!!


  It sounds like a common bowing action. Give the truss rod an eigth of a
turn clockwise, let it sit a while and see if that helps. Then adjust
either way until it has only a slight bow to it. Check it by looking down
the edge if the frets from the head. You shouldn't have to turn the truss
rod more than a quarter turn.

Capo Salut,

jh
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From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: Electronic Tuners
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:11:47 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

dlang@bcars689.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (David Lang) writes:
>
>	I'm considering buying an electronic tuner for tuning my
>guitar and I was wondering if anybody has any opinions/recommendations
>on these units.  I primarily play acoustic and was wondering if there
>are certain ones I should buy or simply stay away from because of the
>performance of the little built-in micropohone (ie. problems with
>picking up noise while trying to tune).  I was also wondering if
>people prefer the digital LED types or the traditional analog tuners
>which have a meter on the face.

     I got a quartz electronic tuner secondhand for ten or fifteen bucks.
It probably went for around $30 new. It's the kind with the meter on the
face. As long as I hold the microphone part right against the soundboard,
there's no problem. I do find it works much better if I play a 12th
fret harmonic - or even if I pluck the string right above the 12th fret - 
so that the fundamental is strong.

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From: kevin@sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Latest Triumph album/guitarist
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:17:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester


Well, supposedly Triumph has found a new guitarist and have released
a new album.  My friend told me that they were on Rockline monday
night, but he told me afterwards!  Does anyone have a tape of
this?

Anyway, I don't think Triumph is ever going to attain any measure
of respectability for two reasons:

1) This new guitarist will never match up to Rik Emmett, and

2) They probably still insist on self-management.

This 2nd reason is why they did not become big in the first place.

BTW, Triumph used to be my favorite band, until Emmett left that is.

Kevin
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From: rost@tecrus.dec.com (My name is Brian Rost)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: DiMeola album
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:32:43 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1993Jan26.195802.49403@ux1.cts.eiu.edu>, cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black) writes...
>    I just saw what I think is a new Al DiMeola album, called "The Best of
>Al DiMeola - the Manhattan Years" (I think I'm recalling it correctly).  I
>only recognized a couple of titles on the disk, despite being a diehard
>DiMeola fan from 'way back.  Does anyone have any info on this release,
>especially whether it's good, what era it's from etc.?

That's easy, it's from the period he was with Manhattan records (mid eighties). 
Most of those records were acoustic, although he did use some Synclavier guitar
as well.  Not very much like the superchops fusion sides he did for Columbia.

					Brian Rost @tecrus.enet.dec.com

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From: harper@godot.think.com (Jim Harper)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: re Mesa Tri Axis
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:08:58
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: alt
NNTP-Posting-Host: godot.think.com

I paid $1200 for the Tri Axis nothing (ie cables) is included but I'm
sure you could get the dealer to throw that stuff in. Mesa will send
you a list of dealers or you can get it direct from them. The only way
to save off this price (Mesa has fixed prices) is to mail order it
from Boogie or Sam Ash then you'll save the tax. They are hard to get
but IMHO they smoke ANYTHING I've heard. At every gig I get at least
5 copliments or questions from people who thought my amp sounded
killer. I use a 295 simu class power amp a stereo Marshall 4-12
a BBE 422 and a Rocktron Intellifex. 

Good Luck
jim
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers.guitar
From: db@seachg.uucp (David Bell)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Hardtail Stratocaster
Reply-To: db@seachg.UUCP (David Bell)
Organization: Sea Change Corporation, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 14:28:29 GMT

In article <93022.152302WAUGH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <WAUGH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
>Fender produced non-vibrato (hardtail) Strats for thirty years; from 1954-1984.
>I want to buy one.  I know the Japanese make one but I really want an American-
>made axe.  I am not particularly interested in pre-CBS instruments but will
>consider anything, three bolt tilt-necks included.  I currently own an American
>Standard and just want a Strat without a vibrato.
>
>Brian

I own a '74 strat with a hardtail, that I bought in '74. Great Guitar! 
The sustain to my ears is a lot better than the vibrato type bridge.
(Sorry, its not for sale).

Three suggestions:
- Talk to the fender custom shop, and see how much it would cost to custom
order a guitar this way
- Check out the Robert Cray Strat, it comes with a hardtail bridge
- Look for a used one. I would think they would be resonable as everyone
seems to use the bar these days.


-- 
Dave Bell

Sea Change Corporation        
Mississauga, Ontario, Canada    
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From: jhalvers@plains (Jon Halverson)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: HELP:Twisting neck
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:52:52 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Well I got it back today, and I can at least get notes out of it again.

jh
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: tjs@eecs.umich.edu (tim stanley)
Subject: Re: Looking for 6 or 8 space rack (Anvil/SKB style)
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:09:24 GMT


Eric L. Hinson writes:

   Does someone out there have a 6 or 8 space rack they are looking to sell
   any time soon?  I have a 4 space RSA (monster) case now and would like to

Do any of you know good (cheap) mail-order sources for 19" rack cases?
I have the excellent vendor list that someone posts regularly - but which
companies?

Thanks,

T
From: mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Harmonics
Date: 26 Jan 1993 01:19:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdacs.ucsd.edu

In article <1jq01aINN8e0@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> indigo@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Adam Schneider) writes:
>
[original post re: harmonics removed]
>
>The problem, of course, is that you can't
>match a harmonic on your G string to one on your B string, 
[and the rest of Adam's post shamelessly hacked into oblivion]

Oh yeah you can!  Here's the harmonics that should be the same on the G and
B strings: 4th fret G 5th fret B (and 7th fret E), they're all Es.
Much easier to hear on an electric, but I even tune my acoustic this way.

ZZ Topp's guitarist is fantastic at "false" or "artificial" harmonics.
It's kinda tricky to do with the "choke up on the pick" technique (as he
does).  Dick around with it and it'll just jump out at you when you get
it just right.  Then head for Carnegie Hall (practise, practise, practise!).

As an also-ran technique: tapping your fret board at nice harmonic values
of a fretted note (e.g. +12 frets, +5 frets, etc.) is a cool Eddie VH
style technique.  Intro to Jamie's Cryin, for ex.
I told of this in the bass newsgroup, it works just as well on basses.
I have trouble withe the false harmonic technique that involves plucking
and stopping with different digits of the right hand.
All of the above-mentioned techniques are a lot easier to learn with
pictures to go along.  Lemme know if any (all?) of this is unclear.

Michael Breen
singing and philozophizing
(enharmonically)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: euanor@eua.ericsson.se (Patrik Norman)
Subject: Guitar microphone (aucoustic)
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:08:18 GMT

Hi,
I've been recommended to buy the 'AMG-AS93' for my
aucoustic guitar (Yamaha). It's quite expensive in
Sweden so I would like to hear some opinions on
microphones. It would also be appreciated if someone
could tell me how much this mic is sold for in the USA?
I have friends that go there once in a while...

Cheers,
      Patrik

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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: andyb@andyb.mentorg.com (Andy Bishop)
Subject: Re: Tube sound fuzz
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:14:15 GMT
Organization: mentor
Keywords: guitar fx
Followup-To: 

In article <1993Jan25.190949.17938@verity.com>, dnj@kauai.verity.com (Dave Johansen) writes:
|> 
|> A word of note: Hendrix' Purple Haze was done with
|> a Fuzz Face, and a Roger Mayer Octavia (on the solo,
|> and outro solo) thru of course a Marshall 100w Super
|> Lead....
|> 
|> PS you can buy all the Roger Mayer products from
|> North Star Audio, in Charlotte NC....
|> 
|> -dnj
|>  
|> 
Can you provide an address or phone number for North Star Audio?

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From: neilg@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil MG Gall)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Re:Tuners, cigarettes etc...
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:13:53 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing and Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh

In article <1993Jan22.105604.20054@sei.cmu.edu>, rfox@sei.cmu.edu (Richard Fox) writes:
 
** Eb (b being flat) tuning at a good 430 mhz level or any other odd tunings you may have make it easier also for accuracy.  It also has a lighted face for dark areas so there is no worries there.
** 
**  	The Korg is nice for standard 440 mhz tuning, but then again this can 

You must have a good hearing range !  Not to mention a set of **LIGHT**
strings, on a **SHORT** neck, wound to quite a few Nm.  Most people tune
their A to 440 Hz.

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|  Blessed are they who Go Around in Circles,   |     Neil M.G. Gall     |
|      for they shall be known as Wheels.       |   neilg@uk.ac.hw.cee   |
+-----------------------------------------------+------------------------+
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek)
Subject: Re: Tube Amp Recommendations
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:30:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.160814.11650@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>  
chris@ccs.northeastern.edu (Chris Dunn) writes:
> 
>    I recently sold my amp and effects because the need for warm tone,
> smooth overdrive and sweet sustain overcame me.   My first love is the
> blues, so I have no great desire for gigantic amounts of HIGH gain, but
> plenty of overdrive is desired (ala Roy Buchanan).  Money is a
> consideration, and I only want to spend up to about $550.  

I picked up the Peavey 2x12 Tweed combo for the that price, and I love it. 
The 4x10 had a great sound for blues, but I didn't want to spend more nor  
lug a bigger box around. I'm more used to the 2x12 sound anyway. I love  
the feel and old-fashioned simplicity of this amp. It's built better than  
most other amps in it's price range (or even beyond).

AK
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: poidoug@austin.ibm.com
Subject: Harmonics
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:37:47 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16g by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: poidoug@austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Austin


The other day I had my first private lesson. Hooray!

I didn't know what harmonics were so I asked about them.

According to my teacher....

When you pluck a string you don't hear just one frequency you hear several.
Touching the string directly above the 5th, 7th, and 12th frets while picking
it removes one of those frequencies.  This makes tuning the guitar with
harmonics easier than tuning it regularly because your ear has less sound to
sort through.

Is this correct?

Does anyone out there have anything to add to this?

Doug P.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: leff@sco.COM (Bill Leff)
Subject: Re: Arsenio's guitar player
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:39:12 GMT


In article <1993Jan28.192316.14259@unislc.uucp> larsen@unislc.uucp (Steve Larsen) writes:
>Frank E. Prince (fprince@cwis.unomaha.edu) wrote:
>: Does anyone know what gear the guitarist on Arsenio uses? I really like
>: his sound, particularly the bass response on the low notes when he's 
>: doing his rockin' fusion solos.
>: 			Thanks,
>: 				Frank
>
>It's an Ibanez, I believe.

Unless he's changed guitars, he uses a Yamaha Pacifica guitar 
and Rivera amps. 

-leff


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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: leff@sco.COM (Bill Leff)
Subject: Re: Artificial harmonics
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:11:43 GMT


In article <1993Jan26.052922.28334@leland.Stanford.EDU> termite@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Paik) writes:
>I hold the pick between my thumb and middle finger leaving my index finger
>free.  I then put my index finger down where the harmonic will ring and pck
>with my thumb and middle finger.  I usually only do the 2nd harmonic with
>this technique because it gets too hard otherwise.
>
>The trick is to play a line with your left hand and instead of picking
>regularly you hit the 2nd harmonic.  Here's an example:
>
>Left hand        Right hand index finger
>2nd fret         14th fret
>5th fret         17th fret
>7th fret         19th fret
>
>OK, did I confuse everyone?  Does anyone else out there do this?

This is a classical guitar technique (minus pick of course). I would
think most of us use it. I also use the Billy Gibbon's style "squeeze"
as well as a technique that uses the thumb and index or third
finger, with the thumb slightly resting on the string in front of
of the picking finger. The location is the standard picking place
(over the soundhole, between the pickups etc). It works well for
creating artificial harmonics (maybe someone mentioned this already)

Check out Tuck Andress (of Tuck and Patty) for great harmonics.

-leff


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Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature
From: mhoffman@encore.com (Mike Hoffman)
Subject: Re: Spin Doctors Update
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:39:15 GMT

<RSNDLH@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> writes:

>=====================================================================
>Spin Doctors Update:

>Little miss

>Other people's songs they ain't your hand-me-downs
                ^^^^^
		thoughts

In the interest of keeping it correct :-)

				MH++

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From: rg@futserv.austin.ibm.com (R.G. Keen)
Subject: Re: BOOKS NEEDED: tube primer
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:54:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: ...futserv.austin.ibm.com!rg
Organization: IBM Coporation - Advanced Workstations and Systems.

I found a Radiotron designer's guide on an older engineer's book
shelf. I recommend that you Proto-tubers (me, too) find an engineer
from the golden age. The personal association will undoubtedly make 
for some skills improvement, too.

R.G.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: jdyoung@eng.clemson.edu (jeffrey young)
Subject: Re: Artificial harmonics
Reply-To: jdyoung@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:01:26 GMT

In article 19103@cs.tulane.edu, butterwo@cs.tulane.edu (Blake Butterworth) writes:
>
>    Speaking of harmonics, could some of the more experienced guitarists out
>there give me some pointers on techniques to sounding artificial harmonics?
>Do you use your index or middle finger or choke up on the pick?  Sounding the
>harmonics isn't difficult, its just playing them at fast speeds that is
>really difficult for me.  I've noticed alot of guitarists, especially in the
>hard rock/heavy metal genres, have mastered these techniques and use them in
>there music alot.  They blaze through a solo or even an up tempo riff, sound
>some harmonics and keep on going.  Can someone give me some insight?  Thanks.
>
>Blake

       Personally, I use my thumb.  Recently I saw Lynch Mob (I think George
is a master of this technique), and he used his thumb.  I noticed he used
many different ways to hold his pick, rotating ect.  BTW, he lost a bunch of picks,
three of which are in my possesion.  Front row has its benefits :-D .
	Laters,
Tanman


Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: eng10392@nusunix1.nus.sg (PETER DAVEKUMAR STEPHENS)
Subject: HELP! MY NECKS BENDING!!!
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:18:04 GMT




	I've got this accoustic with a really neat cut away and I got it
for a steal . The problem is that the neck is starting to bow a little
and so its getting hard to do really fast stuff down at around the 12th
fret and beyond.I know that its probably because I lean it against a
 wall quite alot but is there any way I can fix it. Please someone help
me save my only guitar!!!
	desperately yours 
	Peter  .
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers.guitar