HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ferrel@BoysTown.ORG (Roger Ferrel)
Subject: Re: summus gigatape
Organization: Boys Town National Research Hospital
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:55:51 GMT

>I have a NeXT cube 68040 version 2.0 of the system.

>I recently obtained a Summus gigatape drive that is about 2 years old. It
>uses 8mm tapes that can hold up to 2.1 Gigabytes each.  (I am hoping to use it
>to back up several systems.)  The gigatape has a SCSI port which I have
>connected to the NeXT (it has a terminator on the other SCSI connection).

>I have tried connecting this device with several different port numbers, but
>so far the NeXT does not detect the device at boot time.

>Is there something simple I'm missing?  Has anyone else tried connecting this
>device to a NeXT?

>I've tried contacting the company, but all their phones have been
>disconnected.

>Please E-mail me your replys, and I'll summarize and post the results.

>Thank for you help.

Thanks to Glen Diener and Mark Monnin (I'm sure there will be others, but
they were the first two) the problem is solved.

It seems on these Summus tapes and other Exabyte tape drive you must wait
for the ready light to come on before booting your machine.  Once I did this
the NeXT detected the drive, and configured it to be the default tape drive
used by dump.

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From: borders@ms.uky.edu (Johnny Borders)
Subject: Re: Byte: Is Unix Dead ?
    <1992Aug20.224743.16413@cco.caltech.edu>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:16:22 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) writes:

>In article <SXMRP.25.0@orca.alaska.edu> SXMRP@orca.alaska.edu (Michael R.  
>Platzke) writes:

>Otherwise, who would ever have bought IBM RS/6000s?

Got me, man.. Rotten performance for most applications, lousy operating
system, slow I/O (SCSI-1), and lack of a multiprocessing model. The ONLY
reason RS/6000s are useful is in scientific applications, because their
CPU seems to be tailored for very high mathematical performance. Even 
the low-end models feature unusually high floating-point performance.
That's their only redeeming feature, though.. The new prices aren't bad
at all, all things considered, but you have to license AIX separately, which
is a completely stupid thing for them to do. It's based on model and number
of users, and it's way too expensive.
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From: pitre@n5160d.nrl.navy.mil (Richard Pitre)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: Byte: Is Unix Dead ?
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:58:11 GMT

Byte magazine is brain dead advertising mush with one objective $ 
They quit caring about the future of computing long ago.

- Richard
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From: waltrip@capd.jhuapl.edu
Subject: Re: Byte: Is Unix Dead ?
Organization: CAPVAX, JHU/APL
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:38:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.154742.1730@cs.mcgill.ca>, samurai@homer.cs.mcgill.ca 
(Darcy Brockbank) writes:
	[...material deleted...]
> I think instead that NT has some POSIX compliance built in, however
> it isn't correct to say that it runs POSIX apps.
	It is correct to say NT runs apps that use only the POSIX API.  If,
	in addition to the POSIX API, an app uses some other API, all bets
	are off.  Certainly the X Window System API could be ported to NT
	which makes NT attractive to many X application developers.  It
	gives them access to a mass market UNIX doesn't provide.  As I
	indicated in a previous post to this thread, the NeXTSTEP API and
	its terrific development environment could be there as well if
	NeXT decides to port it.
> 
> You also forgot DOS apps in the app list. BTW, it's a good thing that
> Microsoft is giving us something that will run all of the crazy 
> OS-spawned apps that it has dreamed up. Win16, Win32, Win4.0, WinNT...
> sigh.
	Yeah, but think of the bonanza it would be for OUR developers if
	NeXTSTEP were there, too, showing up those other apps.

c.f.waltrip

Internet:	<waltrip@capsrv.jhuapl.edu>

Opinions expressed are my own.
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From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Byte: Is Unix Dead ?
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 09:37:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.224743.16413@cco.caltech.edu>, ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) writes:
|> In article <SXMRP.25.0@orca.alaska.edu> SXMRP@orca.alaska.edu (Michael R.  
|> Platzke) writes:
|> mneideng@thidwick.acs.calpoly.edu (Mark Neidengard) writes:
|> >>YOU DON'T BUY A SNAKE TO RUN WINDOWS, NO MATTER WHAT QUALITY PLUMBING IS
|> >> UNDER IT!
|> >>Mark Neidengard
|> > 
|> > No, you don't buy a snake to run windows, you buy it to run APPLICATION
|> > SOFTWARE and to actually ACCOMPLISH PRODUCTIVE WORK.
|> > 
|> > -Michael R. Platzke (sxmrp@orca.alaska.edu)
|> 
|> Actually, among the snake-buying-type people I've known, Mark is correct.

I'm posting this from a Snake, I would run Windows NT (which doesn't yet exist for the Snake) if it gave me access to the applications I needed.  However I still expect we'll see a wider range of NT applications on the x86 platform than on MIPS or DEC-PA (or the latest NT convert Sequent) architectures.

|> 
|> People buy high-powered Unix workstations to run their 50-year legacy FORTRAN  
|> code 100times faster.

No they run these on Supercomputers, which will increasingly run U*NIX.  They run Wordperfect on their Snakes etc.  (refer to the recent IEEE Spectrum article which showed most workstations ran WP or Spreadsheet apps.).

David.
From: tim@sinix.UUCP (Tim Bissell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: NeXt vs Apple -- a couple comments
Date: 12 Aug 92 09:44:11 GMT
Organization: SNI AG Muenchen, STO XS

In article <1992Aug8.05658.15165@ms.uky.edu> borders@ms.uky.edu (Johnny Borders) writes:
>Now there's a new obstacle: 3.0's speed. <snore>


It *really* ticks me off when arseholes (hey, it's advocacy; I'm allowed to
flame) get their grubby paws on a pre-release of NS 3.0 and proceed to
pontificate on the speed of the final product, when NeRDs such as I, with
an application in suspended animation waiting for 3.0 have not seen a sniff
of it.

Pleeeze NeXT, put me out of my misery!

Tim.
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From: alex@fiskville.mc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: even More NeXT sightings
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:13:52 GMT

Speaking of NeXT sightings... there was this commercial a few months back,  
some automobile ad I believe, and the premise was something along the  
lines of "the best technology" or something and there were shots of  
extremely hi-tech this and that and one of them was of a really expensive  
looking recording studio and on the table next to the mixing console was a  
NeXTdimension running some cool looking audio software... does anyone know  
what program that was? (yeah, I know there isn't much to go on...)

Thanks,
Alex
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From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: journalistic integrity
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:41:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.192552.4271@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
spagiola@amy5.stanford.edu (Stefano P. Pagiola) writes:
> John Robison writes
> > Reviews are written to get advertisers (and perhaps inform the  
> > readers). 
> >         
> > Look at MacUser, MacWorld, NeXTWorld. 
> >         
> > If there is a hard drive review section, there are *tons* of
> > hard drive ads. Likewise for Word processing reviews,
> > spreadsheet reviews, backup software reviews, etc.
> >
> 
> That's hardly proof of conspiracy.  Its common for mags that are  
> planning a special issue on something to inform advertisers that sell  
> that something that they might be particularly interested in  
> advertising in that issue since readers will be thinking about it.
> 

Most magazines provide a calendar of upcoming issues: what buyer's guides  
and feature articles will be in them, when they will be on sale, etc. I've  
never seen one contain a list of products to be reviewed, but the  
manufacturer usually knows about this anyway (note I said USUALLY). For  
the record, NeXTWORLD doesn't currently provide such editorial calendars  
(if they do they aren't reaching my desk). Wouldn't mind if they did...

I for one can vouch for NeXTWORLD's journalistic integrity. 

Gordon

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From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)
Subject: Re: Other surprises in store for NeXT management....
Reply-To: eps@cs.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:54:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.164202.334@fcom.cc.utah.edu>
	burchard@horizon.math.utah.edu (Paul Burchard) writes:
>In the same way, the fabled NRW won't benefit NeXT unless it is a significantly
>better price/performance deal than the current crop of NeXTstations.  People
>locked into the Mac world may buy overpriced Quadras simply to get the extra
>power, but no one will buy high-powered NRWs unless they present the kind of
>eye-popping bargain that the original NeXTstations did.

Maybe NeXT's market research says there are enough customers who
want to pay inflated prices for high-powered penis extensions.

As for all the people "demanding" NeXTSTEP specifically on the
Motorola 88K, I'll simply repeat my previous comment about the
only company seriously pushing that processor being Data General.
(Hey, guess what!)

					-=EPS=-
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It *looks* like a pizza box.  It only *tastes* like a brick.
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From: kdyer@nextworld.com (Kristin Dyer)
Subject: Re: political propaganda in tag lines
Organization: NeXTWORLD Magazine
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:34:46 GMT


it would be easier to reply to your offensiveness in private if your reply  
address was correct.

Please. your offensivenes is beyond compare. that is the crime being discussed  
here, and the one you are violating. it is the worst possible manners to openly  
and purposefully air your views so as to make others uncomfortable.  
comp.sys.next.advocacy is not a forum for the discussion of personal liberty  
issues and we would all appreciate it if you would abide by the discussion at  
hand.

k
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Assistant Editor				501 Second Street
NeXTWORLD Magazine				San Francisco, CA  94107
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From: m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling)
Subject: Re: NS486---with local bus will it be faster than a turbo for color graphics...??
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 21:56:44 GMT

In article <5767@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> gbol@rglnext.geol.vt.edu (Gregory  
Lampshire) writes:
>  
> I don't like PC arch. BUT I am wondering about the comparison between  
> NS486 with a 66MHz (doubled) chip against a '040 turbo in the following  
> areas (assume some appropriate. math chip for the pc, local bus video,  
and  
> as many bit color as is normal ie 24 for a pc and 16 for a '040 turbo,  
> plenty of ram so no swapping on average, large hard drive, some  
> soundblaster-like sound board for a pc):

All of these things change too rapidly to make generalizations. NeXT's  
video implementation is at least as good as local bus video, though, and  
if you are considering buying one machine for your own use, and especially  
if you can get a NeXT at the academic discount, I would *expect* that, all  
in all, it would be more sensible than buying a PeeCee with NeXTSTEP.  
Between now and the time that NeXTSTEP 486 is available, a lot will have  
changed.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
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From: prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave Griffiths)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: Next vs Macintosh for the Graphic Professional (rtf)
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:33:50 GMT
Organization: Primitive Software Ltd.

In article <860@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> reynolds@rightbrain.com writes:
>

[68,000 characters deleted, half of which was in RICH TEXT FORMAT]

I have to pay for my news feed. Please take your marketing elsewhere.

Dave Griffiths
From: gibraltar!wiley (Wiley S. Hodges)
Subject: What is POSIX? (was: Re: Byte: Is Unix Dead ?)
Keywords: POSIX, standards, ugh, confusing, NT
Reply-To: wiley@lighthouse.com
Organization: Lighthouse Design, Ltd.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 17:52:40 GMT



In article <SXMRP.26.0@orca.alaska.edu> SXMRP@orca.alaska.edu (Michael R.  
Platzke) writes:
> In article <1992Aug21.154742.1730@cs.mcgill.ca> samurai@homer.cs.mcgill.ca  
(Darcy Brockbank) writes:
> >From: samurai@homer.cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy Brockbank)
> >Subject: Re: Byte: Is Unix Dead ?
> >Date: 21 Aug 92 15:47:42 GMT
> 
> >In article <SXMRP.25.0@orca.alaska.edu> SXMRP@orca.alaska.edu (Michael R.  
> >Platzke) writes:
> >> In article <1992Aug20.155849.147103@zeus.calpoly.edu>  
> >mneideng@thidwick.acs.calpoly.edu (Mark Neidengard) writes:
> >> that uses a similar API and will be able to run Win16,Win32,OS/2 1.3, and
> >> POSIX programs to some extent.  Secondly, NT may compete well in the
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  
> >Wait a sec... I thought that POSIX referred to a certain standard of
> >GUI, so as to encourage portability. NeXT announced POSIX compilance,
> >but that doesn't mean that NeXT apps will run on NT.
> 
> I'm not sure, but I believe that POSIX is a type of character based Unix
> standard.  I'm almost positive it is not a GUI.  Any netters out there that
> can give a definitive definition? I know that NeXT apps will not run on NT.
> 
> >I think instead that NT has some POSIX compliance built in, however
> >it isn't correct to say that it runs POSIX apps.
> 
> I think that is what I said.  NT should be able to run fully POSIX compatible
> programs, but POSIX compatibility is murky.

POSIX, as currently required by the Federal Government's FITS (Federal  
Information Technology Standards), is basically a low-level operating system  
interface. The POSIX standard was developed by the IEEE, and from what I  
understand, is very heavily influenced by UN*X. 

POSIX also has some as-yet unfinished aspects, including some notion of a  
standard user interface. These elements of POSIX are not yet required by the  
Federal Government. Until that sort of thing is finished, I seriously doubt  
that anyone will be selling shrink-wrapped apps for POSIX.

From what I understand, the Government's use of POSIX is motivated by the  
desire to make it as easy as possible to port custom apps from one platform to  
another. In reality, very little use has been made of the POSIX spec to date,  
and I seriously wonder if some of the "compliant" POSIX implementations out  
there would really serve the Government's intended purpose.

There are POSIX-compliant versions of VMS, Apple's A/UX, and almost all  
variants of UNIX. And, of course, NeXTSTEP will be POSIX compliant very soon.

Coming soon to this space: What is GOSIP, and what does it really mean to me?

;-)

--Wiley


-- 
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want to have anything to do with my opinions, anyway. Right? I do, as 
always, speak for the Bush administration in anything which I say.
From: samurai@homer.cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy Brockbank)
Subject: Re: Byte: Is Unix Dead ?
Reply-To: samurai@uriel.cs.mgill.ca
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:47:42 GMT

In article <SXMRP.25.0@orca.alaska.edu> SXMRP@orca.alaska.edu (Michael R.  
Platzke) writes:
> In article <1992Aug20.155849.147103@zeus.calpoly.edu>  
mneideng@thidwick.acs.calpoly.edu (Mark Neidengard) writes:
> that uses a similar API and will be able to run Win16,Win32,OS/2 1.3, and
> POSIX programs to some extent.  Secondly, NT may compete well in the

Wait a sec... I thought that POSIX referred to a certain standard of
GUI, so as to encourage portability. NeXT announced POSIX compilance,
but that doesn't mean that NeXT apps will run on NT.

I think instead that NT has some POSIX compliance built in, however
it isn't correct to say that it runs POSIX apps.

You also forgot DOS apps in the app list. BTW, it's a good thing that
Microsoft is giving us something that will run all of the crazy 
OS-spawned apps that it has dreamed up. Win16, Win32, Win4.0, WinNT...
sigh.

- db

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From: fox@cs.nyu.edu (David Fox)
Subject: Re: Can you puntuate? (was Re: journalistic integrity)
Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences
	<1992Aug11.173549.25753@glv.uucp>
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:31:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.173549.25753@glv.uucp> jcelam@confused (James Clifton Elam) writes:

   In article <1992Aug10.220339.1064@nextworld.com> kdyer (Kristin Dyer) writes:
   > you have picked the number one way to infuriate a journalist.
   I suspect the number one way to infuriate a journalism teacher would be to
   forget basic rules of puntuation, sentance construction, and (gasp) 
   punctuation (like capitalization). (1/2 :-0)

   > reviews are *not* written to get advertisers, much to our ad sales reps  
   > chagrin. ads are sold to publish what we have to print. print drives the  
   > machinery, not the other way around.  

   Hmm, that opinion would probably shock the hell out of the (highly
   successful) publishers of Computer Shopper.

   *** flame on (you started it) ***

   Jeez, lady, you're a journalist.  If you must flame, think first and
   write better.  I'd have been interested in your thoughts if they were
   well communicated.

   *** flame off (buy ya'll a beer next time I'm in SF)

What an asshole!
From: m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling)
Subject: Re: Boot 3.0 from other devices.
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:45:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.190438.14414@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
marcu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Albert Ullman) writes:
> In article <1992Aug19.183309.8455@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling) writes:
> >"It's right" refers to:
> >>> NeXT's phone person said the following:
> >>> 
> >>> 4)  The OD cannot be configured as a boot device in NS3.0 (?!)
> >
> >Taken out of context my sentence would have been ambiguous. But the  
> >following sentence cleary stated that 3.0 could be booted from an OD.
> 
> Still sounds contradictory to me. :-)

You're right! I read it "OD can be ..." Whoops. Well, it can be.
 
> >The End User License Agreement allows the end user to do it himself.  
The  
> >only difference is that someone else would have been doing. BANG is not  
> >going to copy software unless it is *clearly* legal. That is why we  
asked  
> >NeXT's legal department.
> 
> So why not simply let the user do it.  If you set up a machine at a
> user meeting or something, you could let the user hit the <CR> or
> click the mouse rather than having someone else do it for them.

Because we have about 100 members outside of North America.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
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From: murphy@gibbs.physics.purdue.edu (William J. Murphy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: NS486---with local bus will it be faster than a turbo for color graphics...??
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:32:43 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

In article <1992Aug18.215644.23419@leland.Stanford.EDU> m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling) writes:
>In article <5767@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> gbol@rglnext.geol.vt.edu (Gregory  
>Lampshire) writes:
>>  
>> I don't like PC arch. BUT I am wondering about the comparison between  
>> NS486 with a 66MHz (doubled) chip against a '040 turbo in the following  
>> areas (assume some appropriate. math chip for the pc, local bus video,  
>
>if you can get a NeXT at the academic discount, I would *expect* that, all  
>in all, it would be more sensible than buying a PeeCee with NeXTSTEP.  
>Between now and the time that NeXTSTEP 486 is available, a lot will have  
>changed.

It just occurred to me that since Ariel was responsible for much of the design
and implementation of the DSP portion of the NeXT, then is it probable that
their PC-56 board would work in the NS486 configuration?  The PC-56 board
has the same connector that is on the NeXT's DSP interface, has the same
56000 Moto-chip.  So why not make it usable from the OS in a manner similar
to the DSP in the NeXT?

Just wondering...

Bill Murphy               | Old Home Cottage Cheese:  The only cottage 
			  | cheese that's not made from formaldehyde, 
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From: waltrip@capd.jhuapl.edu
Subject: Re: Poll results Re: "NeXT Developer Marketing Programs"  : -)
Organization: CAPVAX, JHU/APL
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:23:31 GMT

In article <845@rtbrain.rightbrain.com>, glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes:
> Jim De Arras writes
> 
>> 			NeXT got tired of waiting, and has now changed  
>> it's focus.
> 
> I think you hit the nail on the head.  The dealer channel was created,
> but not particularly well fed or supported.  The shrink-wrap software
> business got a good push, but then was left to roll on its own.
> 
> My own opinion is that we're collectively reaching critical mass in the
> third-party software arena, and when we reach it, the world is going to
> renew its interest in the NeXT as a high-end Mac/PC, and will surprise
> NeXT with strong sales that have nothing to do with custom applications.
> Expect NeXT to then revise its marketing strategy again to once again
> encompass dealers, end users, Mac and PC owners.  NeXTstep 486 will also
> help enormously.
> 
> Let's just hope that all the developers (big and small) and dealers
> hang on long enough for that to happen.
> 
> --
>  Glenn Reid        		NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com
>  RightBrain Software		415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977)
>  Palo Alto, California
From: gbol@rglnext.geol.vt.edu (Gregory Lampshire)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: NS486---with local bus will it be faster than a turbo for color graphics...??
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:34:28 GMT



I don't like PC arch. BUT I am wondering about the comparison between  
NS486 with a 66MHz (doubled) chip against a '040 turbo in the following  
areas (assume some appropriate. math chip for the pc, local bus video, and  
as many bit color as is normal ie 24 for a pc and 16 for a '040 turbo,  
plenty of ram so no swapping on average, large hard drive, some  
soundblaster-like sound board for a pc):




trig./floating point computation:
input/output to disk:
screen redraws, updates, drawing etc:
input/output to ttys:
sound:
memory to memory byte copies (you specify the bus type EISA, AT etc):
live video (via some pc video card):




Also, compared to edu price, can I expect the pc hardware+software combo  
to be a better buy based on price AND upgrade capability (ie P5 anybody?)  
and commitment to the product (that is, will they drop support for it).


--
Gregory Lampshire 
Virginia Tech 
Bradley Department of Electrical Engineering
gbol@rglnext.geol.vt.edu (NeXTmail welcome)
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My opinions are my very own and do not reflect the opinions of any  
employer
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