From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Subject: Re: A Couple of Questions
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:54:30 GMT

In article <OLIVER.93Jan11025318@ballard1.mit.edu> oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.180724.20206@mprgate.mpr.ca> levesque@galaxy.mpr.ca (Steve Levesque) wrote:
>> 1) When a shot is blocked, does it count as a Field Goal Attempt?
>
>Yes.  And whoever picks it up gets a rebound.

this would follow in the bookkeeping of total rebounds vs. missed shots
(they must be equalized).  i might have thought that if it hit the floor
and then was picked up by the defense, it would be a team rebound plus a
steal...that would be too much.  what about that time when Patrick Ewing
was in high school at Cambridge Rindge & Latin?  i saw him come out to
guard a player outside.  he jumped and palmed the FGA, reaching back in 1
motion and delivered a touchdown to a teammate then came back down to the
floor.  that's gotta be a steal as well - so a block, a rebound, a steal,
an assist - all in one arm motion!
>
>> 2) When a player misses a shot and is called for a charge, is it a FGA.
>
>No, but it is a turnover.

right - no shot attempt, no total rebound to keep track of.
i wish they would keep offensive fouls and defensive fouls separately -
it wouldnt be that hard - then we could figure out how many of the
player's TO's are offensive fouls and how many are other things.  more
Great Useful Stuff.....
>
>> 3) Do blocked shots and steals count as turnovers. If not, what does
>> constitute a turnover.
>
>Blocked shots are FGA, not turnovers.  Steals are turnovers.  Throwing the
>ball out of bounds, traveling, 24-, 10-, and 3-second violations, double
>dribbles, etc. are all turnovers.
>
>> 4) Can goaltending be called on a missed Free Throw Attempt.

i think they can only only call a lane violation and have the guy
reshoot it. (?)  imagine if its the Shack and you can see that this time
the shot will be good, so you goaltend it on purpose in order to get
his sub .600 freethrow percentage back on the line.  :-)
>
>From: cliu@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (chang hsu liu):
>
>>1) Does tipin count as one rebound too? If it doesn't go in,
>>and the player tip 3 times more to get it in, will it be counted
>>as three more rebounds?
>
>Yes to both.

dont forget then that there are 4 FGA, 1 FGM as well...i asked this
last year and didnt get a clear answer.  thanks.  what a nightmare
for the official score keepers - especially if it looks like another
player got a hand on it too.
>
>>2) How do[] people count the assist?...[]...
>
>An assist can only be given for a made field goal attempt.  I don't have
>the exact wording, but the general idea is that the shot must be taken as a
>continuation of the pass, i.e., if someone dribbles around or makes a bunch
>of head fakes before scoring, you don't get an assist.
>
>	Jim Oliver  

i think if you take only one dribble and then keep yourself planted with
all the head-fakes in the world, it still is an assist.  especially if
you are Karl Malone getting a pass from the Stock or James from Magic or
McHale, with all the fakes, from Bird.  :-)  to be sure, stockton, magic
and bird have all lost a lot of assists by getting the ball to a wide-open
player underneath who then gets hammered and goes to the line.

if you dribble it twice and/or look to pass first, and enough time goes
by, then make a field goal, then they rule it No Assist.

in Cousy's day you couldnt dribble at all and had to shoot immediately,
so who know how many assists he would have in today's game.  skiles'
record 30 nosed out the 29 held by Kevin Porter, but before that it was
guy rodgers ('63) and the cooz ('59) tied with 28.

- nate
(thanks goodness these questions were handled well along with the
annual Illegal Defense rules)