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From: orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons)
Subject: Re: MY party impressions!! (longish)
Organization: Department of Atomic Text Units
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:45:16 GMT

In article <13235.9207171601@pyr.swan.ac.uk> iiitac@PYR.SWAN.AC.UK (Alan Cox[not! actually hobbit/Telsa]) writes:
|We went to the Blue Moon cafe,
|or something like that, where I met an orc. Being a hobbit, this was
|a little alarming, but inter-species relationships improved from what
|you might anticipate.

  (lazy orcish grin)

  Oh, orcs are the most delightful people to have around the house.
They're neat, well mannered, inobtrusive, and compulsive liars.

| I them met an orc-double, and for the rest of the
|weekend coulsn't get their names right

  At this point, I'm not sure whether I should be intensely flattered
to be mistaken for the impossible to overrate Don Hopkins (*sigh*) or
vaguely dismayed to be mistaken for an Emacs user...

| I was horribly nervous and talked far too much and made no sense (at least
|I hope so. I usually give the wrong impression, whatever I'm talking
|about :-))

  No, we're sure you made sense.  Of course, the following Event In The
Pub [why *I* want to move to Edinburgh, part 1] has so managed to cloud
my mind that I don't remember much about that evening until after I missed
my train (wave bye-bye to the canary smile)  And, failing that, enough
drink was consumed to conveniently cloud even the most astute mind, leaving
nothing but vague innuendo for the net.

  Hobbits are much underrated.  This orc is very glad to have met you.

                __
  david parsons \/ Minister of Scritching
From: gtoal@gem.stack.urc.tue.nl (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Edinburgh Party Photos
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:41:30 GMT
Reply-To: gtoal@stack.urc.tue.nl
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

In article <4835@tuegate.tue.nl> gtoal@stack.urc.tue.nl writes:
>in the hierarchy.  I think there's a 'gifs', 'words-l' and 'docs'
>somewhere in the path to it, not necessarily in that order.  I haven't

OK, I checked.  The files are as below, and have .gif and .uu 
versions for people who have problems with shipping binaries around.

The lovely redhead in jenna+graham.gif is a words-l person; elaine is
Elaine Brennan from both words-l and here, and Max in max+alex is
our very own Max Handelsman of the mega-hugs fame.   Alex is another
words-l person.

G
---
ftp.msstate.edu:/pub/docs/words-l/Gifs/ClambakeGifs/
  ... jenna+graham.{gif,uu}
      elaine.{gif,uu}
      max+alex.{gif,uu}

-- 
gtoal.
From: pclary@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Edin<mumble> etc. (was Invisibility)
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:30:10 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

dente@els.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente) wrote...
>In article <1992Jul17.221328.14932@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>, pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>
>|> [...] by that time my hands were 
>|> rather thoroughly occupied with a certain silk shirt (etc) that was on a
>|> certain cutie 
>Mmmm... that *was* a nice silk shirt, (and a nice cutie :-)).  When I saw
                    ^
Mmmmm... there was more than one silk shirt...

>|> Colin also said....
>|> >Is Ellen coming to BiCon?
>|> NO!!!! It's your turn - I tagged you!  (Quite well in fact <grin>).
>
>Indeed - well and truly tagged.  I would follow you "to the Gates of Tartar".
>Sadly, hell is rather more accessible to me than California at the moment.
>Indeed, if I were to attempt to buy a ticket to California, my bank manager
>would see to it that I took a trip to hell very quickly :-(  Perhaps nearer
>Christmas, 

Christmas it is then.  We shall be awaiting your arrival.

Ellen
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Hetero/bi/homophobia (Was: Lesbian denial)
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:02:23 GMT

In article <5495@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> dente@els.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente) writes:

>If I'm completely honest, I
>do still think that many monosexuals are somewhat short-sighted in
>limiting themselves to one gender.

First of all, remember that "monosexual" is a term whose usage is
often hotly denounced by gay men and lesbians, especially in the
context of a snippish comment like this one.  Secondly, it seems a
touch ingenuous.  Do you think that bisexuals, for example, are being
short-sighted for limiting themselves to sex with human beings?

>Please accept this for what it is - an honest statement of feelings,
>and invitation to discuss them - not an attack on monosexuals, or an
>invitation to flame.

I think that the statement above is pretty hard to construe as not
being an "attack on monosexuals."

However, much as I'd like not to, I agree with you on the point about
bisupremacist attitudes.  Sometimes I cannot make it to sundown in
one emotional piece without saying to myself, "God, it's wonderful to
be bi."  A single statement of anti-bi sentiment can be enough to
throw me off for a weekend if it's strong enough.

On GayNet recently I was in a discussion about bi pride and bi
supremacy, and was debating about whether the statement "bi is better"
is bi-supremacist or merely a statement of personal satisfaction.  At
the time, I leaned toward the latter, but I must admit that such an
unqualified statement implies that it might be better for everyone, a
statement I don't intend to make.

And yet I don't think I really CARE if I sound bi-supremacist at
times; if you think it sounds haughty, tough.  I need to get through
the day.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You mean there are TWO of you, Pierce?
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  God help us all."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Major Charles Emerson Winchester III
Xref: sparky soc.bi:9985 soc.motss:33338
From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: butch privelege (was Re: Screaming Yellow (Re: The War Between
Date: 31 Jul 92 05:45:58 GMT
 <1992Jul28.155913.20965@watson.ibm.com>
 <1992Jul28.180107.20873@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> <Bs46F7.258@news.larc.nasa.gov>
 <92210.210359IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <iw.712519011@tosser>
Organization: University of Maine System

iseult says:

=IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

=>correction: from where i sut, anyway, femmes are NOT more priveleged
=>than butches.  butches are taken more seriously in debate, etc.

=True, butches are real lesbians, femmes can pass for straight so they
=are somewhat politically incorrect.

=The Persistent Desire - a femme-butch reader is a very good read on
=this topic.

well, i meant in heterosexual society rather than in gay society,
actually.  this is mainly speakign from my own experience, but i
have noticed that i do NOT get interrupted like most wimmin do,
i do NOT have trouble getting called on in classes as they say
wimmin do, i do NOT have trouble getting recognized by moderators
in meetings and such, and i do NOT have trouble getting my point
across without being shouted down.  all of these are supposed to
be problems that are a major part of wimmin's experience, and
the only time i have problems with being recognized by moderators
or professors is if the moderator is a woman.  and even that is
not a major problem, just somethign i have run across once or
twice.  i attribute that to inherent butchness.  guys treat me
liek one of them, once they get used to me, even if they are older
establishment types.  femmes never seem to be able to manage this
sort of thing, and it is REALLY noticeable in general meetings
and such.  i often get recognized by the chair so i can yield
the floor to someone who has been trying to talk and can't.

has anyone else ever experienced this?

                                 -ailsa
From: cjohnson@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: _Prelude to a Kiss_
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:12:03 GMT
Organization: Cow Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA

tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) said...
> cjohnson@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber) writes:
>>Hullo, it's me (long-time muffin Coe, according to Ellen)
>>I'm only a muffin because I usually don't have time to keep
>>up.  But i am making a concerted effort now...
>
>Muffin no more! Hello, Coe [hug]

Hi!  Good to hear from you. <snuggle>

>>Great... so you are showing up next month, Colin is coming some
>>time around Christmas... When do i get to meet the other cuties
>>in Ellen's pictures?
>
>If I count as a cutie, whenever we can afford to be in the same vicinity
>other than electronically?

With that smile, of course you count as a cutie.  And i am glad 
some pictures were without glasses, to see the rest of your face
besides that sweet grin!

Saving my pennies...
-Coe
-- 
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Theta waves are brain waves
Coe L. Salzgeber - San Luis Obispo, CA !  (4-7hz) that are dominant in children
Internet: cjohnson@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU !  ages 2 - 5 and in psychopaths.
Xref: sparky soc.bi:9944 soc.motss:33237 alt.sex:25523 alt.sex.motss:1068
From: alewis@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (Drew Lewis)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss,alt.sex,alt.sex.motss
Subject: CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:00:48 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston MA. USA 02115

CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS (currently email only)

We want to know what gets you HOT!  Bisexual writers Karen Friedland and
Drew Lewis are accepting stories from bisexual writers of all genders,
colours, abilities, and flavours for a new anthology of Bi erotic fiction.

Stories can be about women with women, men with men, women with men, or any
combination in greater numbers;  vanilla or s/m; genderfucked or not; all 
possible combinations of any of the above.

The requirements:  The stories get you (and US!) off; that they either
eroticize safer sex, clearly predate the AIDS crisis, or be set in another
time/world/universe/dimension; that they be written by bi identified writers.

If you think that your erotica (fiction or true stories with names changed to
protect the innocent/guilty) fits these requirements, then send it, along with
a brief bio, to alewis@ds5000.dac.northeastern.edu (Note, a snail mail 
address will be forthcoming as soon as we get a PO Box (on a waiting list))
by MARCH 15, 1993.

We especially encourage submissions from bisexual writers of colour, disabled
bisexuals, and other non-mainstream bisexually-identified writers.

ABOUT THE EDITORS:

Karen Friedland is:
    A Boston Bi-woman, editor of _Bi_Girl_World_ and founder and former 
facilitator of the Bisexual Women's Rap Group at the Cambridge Women's Center.
Born around the time Kennedy was shot, she'd like to be labelled as a Jewish 
Bisexual Vegetarian, if she has to be labelled at all.  Mostly writes poetry,
under normal circumstances, and also wishes to write and direct movies.

Drew Lewis is:
    editor of _Bi_Men:__We_Claim_Our_Name_ (tentative title, 1993 Times Change
Press), former editor of BBMN News, and a writer whose work has appeared in
numerous publications.  A student at Northeastern University, he has been an
active member of the bi movement since he came out.  A member of Generation
X (alternatively known as the slacker generation or the twenty-something 
generation), he is proud of his Jewish heritage (although now considers
himself into discordianism, mysticism, and shamanism), is into postive
body image through body art and modification, and identifies as a sex radical 
and a mostly het bi queer punque boy.
Xref: sparky soc.bi:9691 soc.motss:32836
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Screaming Yellow (Re: The War Between Us (Long))
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:18:50 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) wrote: 
->In article <1992Jul28.124808.17289@watson.ibm.com> jakec@cyst.watson.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
->>*SEPARATES*
->>*SEPARATES*
->
->This iz anothar isue thet seperates our comminuties.  The spelling priveledged
->from the spellinng diverse.  

"differently-spelt."

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
From: pclary@carrot.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: And the saga continues
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:39:29 GMT
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) wrote...
>However if you would like me to torture you, even just a little bit
>I could certainly oblige.
>
>Mmmmmmmmmmmmm  - Feeling very toppish today.   All this forced
>inactivity!
>
>Iseult.

<cowering>
Now I'm wondering how safe it will be to visit you.
I might get beaten with a crutch. >-)

Ellen
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: zbyslaw@EuroPARC.Xerox.COM (Alex Zbyslaw)
Subject: Re: Edinburgh Party Photos
Reply-To: zbyslaw@EuroPARC.Xerox.COM (Alex Zbyslaw)
Organization: Rank Xerox EuroPARC, Cambridge, UK
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:08:16 GMT

In article <24024@castle.ed.ac.uk>, sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
> Ah well, who got there first?  Could Kay have cleaned Alex's navel of
> blue tshirt fluff before Ciaran got a look-in, or a taste-in I should
> say?  Await tomorrow's exciting episode of _Journey to the Bottom of
> Alex's Navel_ ...

Can we have frequent repeats on Channel 4?  Sounds to me like perfect Sunday
afternoon viewing!

--Alex, in slut mode (again)
From: sj1s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sherrianne M. Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Reasons to be bi #3
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:40:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.sePjoqO00VAtEWJWEj
Organization: Sophomore, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.bi: 23-Jul-92 Re: Reasons to be bi #3 Dave
Berry@dcs.ed.ac.uk (905)

>mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd) writes:
>>The Pear Tree Incident

>Is this any relation to the "Hey Roosta I've Just Had This Really Hoopy
>Idea"Incident?  With, perhaps, Don Hopkins as Zaphod Beeblebrox? 
>(Watch out, Sherrianne, he's heading for Pittsburgh Real Soon Now -
this >man seriously warps reality.  He'll drag you down into the depths
of >degardation, and worst of all, *you'll enjoy it*...)

*hee hee*!  I love those kinds of people!

At my university, there's a wonderful group called KGB (we don't know
what it stands for--they won't tell us :) whose whole goal is "safe
silliness."  We have jerseys for "CMU Coed Naked Brockian Ultra
Cricket", and everyone is #42 (and if Douglas Adams ever visits here
like he said, we've got one for him...tastefully presented of course :).
 We all love Ren and Stimpy, and best of all:  everyone is
"out"-friendly!  We're not doing much over the summer, but hey...look us
up...

sher
ps.  Degradation is my hobby....  ;)
From: bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: And the saga continues
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:17:05 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <Brp5Hr.ADu@newcastle.ac.uk> J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
|bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan the Deeply Wonderful) writes:
|>
|>Oh well, so thats another pub I'll never be able to go back to .... :)
|
|Oh I don't know, we provided good trade - all those rounds for 12 people
|(ouch!)

Yep, and we even _drank_ some of the beer...

|
|>It was _fun_ though... the piccies from this should be quite interesting,
|>too, providing I wasn't laughing too much for proper camera control.
|
|Oh no, not more incriminating photos!

'fraid do, and I rather suspect that certain persons (ie you, Mike and
Don) would come high on the 'people I can blackmail' list... tho' I
spose you've probably got equal blackmail possibilities on me... <smile>


|
|>Oh, and there were even some good quotes, but I can't remember any at the
|>moment.... isn't that typical!
|
|Let's see...

|	"You can tell it's serious, nobody is drinking any more"
|		-Bethan, referring to the fact that everyone's hands
|		were busy under the table.

I was _far_ too modest to quote myself...

|
|	"What would happen if I suggested we go back to my place?"
|		-Mike

erm... well.. 'we'll have a mass orgy' no?

|
|	"I wonder how many bisexuals you can fit in a telephone box?"
|		-A Dave (I think) (answer: 5)

Why only five.... is that the critical number for meltdown...?

|
|A couple more stick in my mind which I am too modest to repeat...

Hmmm... do I ask or not?

|
|>                          <snuggles>
|>                                Bethan
|
|<smile><hug><snuggle><kiss><sigh>...

Mmmmm.... do that again....:)

|/jon

<BIG> <HUG>

                             Bethan (The Deeply Embarrassed)
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bisexuality runs in the family?
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:50:15 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <1992Jul29.120330.1898@news.Hawaii.Edu>
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:

>Interesting.  My family's situation is somewhat similar.  My sister
>and I are both gay-leaning bi, my brother is straight.  My sister and
>I were sexually abused by a babysitter when we were kids.  I don't
>think my mother knows about the babysitter, but she's been wondering
>if "something happened" to me and my sister to make us turn out the
>way we did.  She fears that it is some terrible failure of her
>mothering skills.

This is something I really despise. Why are parents so obsessed with having
heterosexual kids that they immediately think it's some dreadful failing on
their part if the kids aren't hetero? Do parents really need guilt trips
that badly?

I guess the answer is that parents are supposed to be responsible for your
upbringing, and hence if the kids don't turn out hetero its the parents'
fault, since they regard anything other than hetero as deviant, immoral,
against the church, and other such rubbish. Perpetuation of the myth of
normality, as it were.

This is all very sad, since everyone's personal happiness should take
precedence over everything else, with the exception of the need to
compromise when increasing one person's happiness decreases someone else's.
Things also get complicated when what people think will make them happy and
what actually will are different. I happen to think that anyone who takes
drugs or smokes is doing both themselves and everyone around them a great
deal of harm whether they know it or not, and that therefore drugs and
tobacco should be illegal (OK so most drugs are in most places). I also
think that drinking heavily on a regular basis is harmful to both the
drinker and people around him. I know that an awful lot of people disagree
with me on these issues, but I am certain in my own knowledge that I am
right. This demonstrates admirably the grey areas in my happiness
maximisation scenario.

Why do my postings always drift from the original point? :-)

Owen (wishing there was an earlobe around he could nibble)

The views expressed are my own and are not necessarily those of Acorn.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: dbshapco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Brad Shapcott)
Subject: Re: Electronic Matchmaker
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:05:31 GMT

In article <4864@tuegate.tue.nl> gtoal@stack.urc.tue.nl writes:
>In article <62878@cup.portal.com> Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com writes:
>:Women, I am about to launch a free electronic matching service on 
>:Usenet.  This service is open to ALL sexual preferences.  
>:Unfortunately, more guys than gals have expressed an interest so far.  
>
>look, dickhead, this is soc.bi so we *don't care*  what the mixture
>of sexes is.  Also, who the hell wants to meet people they've never
>spoken to over the net?  People are pairing off all the time via the
>nets, because you get to know if you'll like someone by reading their
>postings for ages, not by filling out some dumb questionaire.
>
>G

Graham, in feeling that he has missed out some flaming, feels a sudden urge
to create some heat of his own.  Now, I won't use the service, and you won't,
but remember that there are many more lurkers in this group than people
posting.  Maybe these are exactly the type of people who feel that such
services would work for them -- who knows?  I mean, these people aren't
going to meet each other by reading each other's postings, cuz they don't
post.  So as for the service per se, but . . .

As for the male-female ratio, I agree.  What the hell would imply that this
service would be more successful if it had more women on it, unless the guy
(despite the line about 'ALL sexual preferences') was assuming heterosexual
pairings?

I mean, if a questionairre can capture someone's essence -- but then again
I (and Graham) would probably be being unfair to a large number of people.
On the other hand, it's like personalized licence plates -- if you can *really*
tell me all about yourself with less than ten letters, then it probably wasn't
worth telling me.  But for other people that might really work . . . I dunno.


Brad
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: The War Between Us (Long)
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:41:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.102154.4791@news.Hawaii.Edu> johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:
>In article <4874@tuegate.tue.nl> gtoal@stack.urc.tue.nl writes:
>>
>>And when it's no big thing to say you're bi,
>>and a lot more of us speak up who *aren't* at the high end of the Kinsey
>>scale, I think we'll find that we're not a minority inside a minority,
>>but the largest group of non-straights around...
>
>Maybe it shouldn't be surprising when Steve Dyer says that most of the
>bis he knows seem to have regular MOTOS partners.  It seems reasonable
>to guess that the distribution of sexual orientation should be
>largest at the low end of the Kinsey scale...
>

There may be some truth to this, but I also would suspect selection effects.

If I was bi in a motss relationship, I might think twice before coming out
to, say, Steve as bi.  There are also invisible bis in straight circles
but I would imagine among Steve's crowd that the motos bis stick out and
the motss bis blend into the background. This is unlike, say, UCBU, or other
bi organizations where there is less incentive to conform and more to
communicate.

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................