HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 23 Jan 1993 12:16:15 EST
From: Solipsist at Large <IK20001@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.miniatures
 <1jmsgkINN8r8@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> <93021.154622IK20001@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
 <1jpqc5INNgae@werple.apana.org.au>

Bob Blanchett writes:
>In article <93021.154622IK20001@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IK20001@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
>(Solipsist@Large) writes:
>>I have no problem with the proposed rec.games.miniatures.  However,
>>I'd like a list of those `several groups, mailing lists and digests'
>>where minatures discussion is taking place.  The implication is that
>>discussion is very common, while I've never noticed more than a few
>>token messages in rec.games.frp.misc or rec.games.board.  I may be
>>wrong, of course.
>>
>>I'm not debating the usefulness of the group -- I'm just looking for
>>the alluded-to evidence.
>--
>
>Eric,
>
>read the FAQ for Rec.games.board. it lists a number of lists. Also look at
>the "publicly accessible mailing lists" documents found in the news.* groups
>it lists a number of gaming groups as well
>
>most of the miniatures discussion takes place on 3 or 4 lists.
>
>Bob.

Good enough.  Other than adding Bob's elaboration of where the current
discussion takes place to the proposal, rather than the vague sentence
now there, I would support the proposal as-written.

Wow, a group with strong initial support on news.groups.  This might
have to get an award or something....
--
Eric Alfred Burns                        "Life is full of decisions
Solipsist at Large                        but you never get to make any."
"It's all in your mind"
IK20001@maine.maine.edu                           --Linus Van Pelt
From: jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel Furr)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: rec.arts.startrek.reviews moderated
Date: 28 Jan 93 21:38:25 GMT
Organization: Virginia Center for Lemur Fandom, Blacksburg, Virginia, USA (subscribe to alt.fan.lemurs TODAY)

In article <C1IMtw.4tt@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU writes:
>In <1993Jan26.154918.530@admiral.uucp> pierce@admiral.uucp (Clinton Pierce) writes:
>You lost me here. How does a crosspost of a review to (for example)
>rec.arts.startrek.current and rec.arts.startrek.reviews with all
>discussion directed to rec.arts.startrek.current 'drag the same discussion
>into two' newsgroups????

Posting the original post to .reviews AND .current will mean that you
don't have to belong to .reviews to read these posts.  So what's the point
of .reviews?
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: : comp.sys.mac.powerbook
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:41:00 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.


In article <1jm2l5INNnok@gabrieli.cs.unc.edu>, welchg@cs.unc.edu (Gregory
Welch) wrote:
> 
> I would *love* to see such a news group formed!  On several occassions I
> have run into software problems that turned out to be problems only on the
> Powerbooks, due to sleeping, awakening, etc.  It would be nice to have a
> source of discussion/advice regarding such problems (& features, etc.)

On several occaisions I have run into software problems that turned out to
be problems only on the Quadras, due to copy-back cache, etc.

I think we should create comp.sys.mac.68040 
   or
comp.sys.mac.quadra

-G
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_____________________________________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: news.groups,soc.culture.indian,rec.arts.poems,soc.culture.karnataka
From: sheilah@wam.umd.edu (Danny-Boy)
Subject: Re: News Groups Censors REC.ARTS.POEMS.URDU
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:34:35 GMT


      In <1993Jan26.103610.199@fuug.fi> an6966@anon.penet.fi writes:
      I wish to state that I am VERY ANGRY at the annoucenemtn that News Groups
      censored rec.arts.poems.urdu despite its passing fair and square in a
      valid vote.  

In article <C1GqoK.5zn@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU writes:
An interesting charge. Would you care to say the same thing AND sign your
name to it?

I didn't think so.

-Geoff


	The person in question may not be able to post news from 
	his account. Someone has made this point before. 
	
	also, I do not see why it is important for him to sign his name.

-- 
I am always wrong. Don't believe me ever.
stark raving sane  sheilah@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: news.groups,soc.culture.usa,alt.censorship,alt.individualism,alt.society.civil-liberty,misc.headlines
From: holbrook@apollo.HP.COM (Alan R. Holbrook)
Subject: Re: public appeal to John DiNardo to stop posting to soc.culture.usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:50:20 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

A lot of this discussion doesn't apply to me because

	A)  I don't [personally] pay for my newsfeed, and
	B)  I use a news reader (XRN) that lets me see the headers
	    first and, if I choose to, not read the article.

But...

There are a lot of people who apparently don't have that luxury.  There are
a lot of people who apparently DO pay by the byte for the feed they receive,
and that's where I think the "common carrier" argument breaks down.  If a tele-
marketer calls and tries to sell me storm windows, I hang up on him/her and it
hasn't cost me anything material.  If I turn on my TV or radio, and I find something
offense to me to be on the air, I change channels/stations or turn the thing off.
Again, it doesn't cost me anything to exercise my right not to listen to someone
else's right to free speech.

But if I'm paying out of my own pocket for a news feed, I may not, indeed, in
many peoples' cases, obviously do not, have the luxury of exercising MY rights
not to listen until I have materially paid for someone else to exercise his to speak!

This isn't an argument against free speech or for censorship.  I am unequivacably
for the first and against the second.  But when AT&T restricted John's posting and
all the knee-jerkers put themselves in danger of having strokes, I, amongst very
few others, asked people to consider what John's responsibilities might be along
with his rights.  No, we shouldn't shut John off from posting.  No, we shouldn't
shut John off from espousing his views.  But we should recognize John for what he is
by the way he acts:  John DiNardo is selfish and rude.

Alan Holbrook
holbrook@apollo.hp.com
No .sig, I just post on impulse.
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: stanley@ruby.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: rec.arts.startrek.reviews moderated
Date: 27 Jan 1993 18:35:32 GMT
Organization: Coastal Imaging Lab, College of Oceanography
NNTP-Posting-Host: ruby.oce.orst.edu

In article <C1IxLC.IwL@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> hades@Dartmouth.Edu writes:
>    Actually, a fairly large portion of posts are followups to reviews.
>In this sense having the subject lines set my the moderator(s) will help
>to clean up that portion of the traffic in r.a.s.c. I'm open to

Except there is no mechanism for the moderators to set the Subject lines
on the followups. Those who followup a review are free to change the
subject in whatever manner they wish, including avoiding or violating
any and all rules the moderator wishes to enforce..
From: daves@ex.heurikon.com (Dave Scidmore)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware reorganization to comp.sys.x86.*
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:41:58 GMT
Reply-To: daves@ex.heurikon.com (Dave Scidmore)
Organization: Heurikon Corporation, Madison, WI

(Senthil Ramas Kumar) writes:
>
>                        REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
>
>Due to the high traffic in the group comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware, I feel that
>it is neccessary to split the group.

Maybe its just because I am used to sifting through the 100+ postings
a day I frequently find in "rec.music.misc", or maybe its just because
I tuned into this group only a couple weeks ago and things have been
quite, but the traffic in this group seems to me to be neither heavy,
by many other groups standards, nor anything approaching unmanagable.
I can't really see why the group would need splitting.

Maybe someone could enlighten me. How much time each day do most
people spend sifting through postings they are not interested in?
--
Dave Scidmore, Heurikon Corp.
dave.scidmore@heurikon.com
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Subject: Re: rec.windsurfing
Reply-To: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:55:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.201532.25585@cs.rit.edu> cjb3701@cs.rit.edu (Christopher J Bigenwald) writes:
>Maybe if it were to be rec.sports.windsurfing, that might be ok....

Would it really be worth the bother? I'm opposed to rec.outdoors.windsurfing
and while rec.sports.windsurfing sounds ok, it would require us to have two
windsurfing groups during a transition phase and then we would have to get
rid of the old group.

The only benefit I see from moving windsurfing under some other heading
would be that it would be easier for some sites to exclude it. I guess
some sites want to receive most rec-hierarchy groups, but might not be
interested in sports or outdoors-activity.

Are there any other reasons why rec.windsurfing should be renamed?

-- 
  Juri Munkki					       Windsurf: fast sailing
 jmunkki@hut.fi					      Macintosh: fast software
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.os2.{announce,ver1x,beta}
Date: 26 Jan 1993 15:08:56 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1993Jan26.015830.4222@news.duc.auburn.edu> hankedr@mail.auburn.edu (Darrel Hankerson) writes:
>I'm a 1.x and 2.x user. I would argue that most of the experts are using
>2.x, so I am afraid that we will lose their help. Many of the 2.x postings 
>do have some significance for 1.x users, but I understand your remark on this.

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. There are many folks who are expert in
systems that are no longer marketed who still participate in groups for those
systems; for example, there are still quite a few NCR Tower experts in
comp.sys.ncr, even though the systems have been orphaned for a couple of
years or so.

>We may be missing the main point: How can we get folks to read a few posts
>and the FAQ before posting (so that we can avoid the "torrent")?  Alas, I 
>don't know any group which has solved the problem (other than by going 
>moderated). 

I don't believe there's a solution. I'm not sure that there are any political
or cultural solutions that fit into Usenet's culture, and no technical
solution will become widespread in anything approaching the near future.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
    "I don't want to read poor Microsoft bashing. I want to read good
Microsoft bashing." -- Douglas A. Bell, in comp.os.os2.advocacy (Me too!)
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: magnus@thep.lu.se (Magnus Olsson)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.nt
Keywords: Microsoft Windows NT Win32
Organization: Theoretical Physics, Lund University, Sweden
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:02:11 GMT

In article <nrp.728042773@reading> nrp@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk writes:
>georged@sequent.com (George Dolbier) writes:
>>comp.os.ms-windows.nt IS NOT the correct location.
>>Windows NT is not a subsystem of Microsoft Windows, it is separate
>>and non equal to Microsoft Windows. 

>Why do you say comp.os.ms-windows.nt is not the correct location?
>You refer to this system as Windows NT throughout your post.  So why not
>have ms-windows as part of the name?  i.e.: comp.os.ms-windows.nt?

Exactly for the reason that George puts forward in his post:

Naming the group comp.os.ms-windows.nt would imply that Windows NT is
some sort of derivative of MS Windows, which it is NOT. We should try
to keep the namespace hierarchy meaningful.

Or, to take a drastic example: It _could_ possibly be argued that
"comp.os.msdos.ms-windows" would be a good group name, since MS
Windows runs under DOS. But comp.os.msdos.ms-windows.nt would clearly
be inappropriate.

>Besides, comp.os.nt is not exactly meaningful.  

Agreed. So what's wrong with comp.os.windows-nt?

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.jay-maynard,news.groups
From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Subject: Re: What happened to Dave Hayes?
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:00:12 GMT

jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes:

>In article <8482@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>>Did Dave Hayes finally give up? I haven't seen anything from him in a while...
>Attaboy, Zippy.  Give him a post to reply to.  

He didn't. _YOU_ did. His had expired by the time I decided to read news.groups
again. Thank yourself, Mr. Super Flamer...oh God's Great Gift to Flaming...
for this response. 

>We killed his threads off by not replying to anything he said and by the 
>time Christmas was over, he>was GONE.  

Hardly...I didn't give you that much power. _I_ chose to stop responding,
for my own reasons, which are mine. It had nothing to do with you, Mr. Furr,
or any of the "we" that you alluded to. 

In fact, as a demonstration of your character, I have given you a tiny bit of 
power so that you can make me respond to you. Go ahead...Make My Day. 

>Calling you a slope-browed Neanderthal may have been more of an
>insult to Neanderthals everywhere than I had previously imagined.

Insofar as the civilization level of your communication represents the
level of primitiveness that you are referring to, that is much more of
a compliment than you can possibly realize. 

So "nyahh". :-)
-- 
Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov       dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov         ...usc!elroy!dxh

Half of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Re: rec.arts.startrek.current - split survey
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:51:11 GMT

Jeffrey S. Payne <JSP6@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
:)Well folks, here it is, the final results of the r.a.s.c split survey!
:)I proposed that 2 new groups be added to r.a.s:

:)rec.arts.startrek.current.ds9
:)rec.arts.startrek.current.tng

:)...And here are the results:

:)Yes, split as above:                     61
:)Yes, split, but with some other plan:     4
:)No, do .reviews as an alternative:        3
:)No, don't do any stinkin split:          21

:)Last week I posted some preliminary results, hoping that if the "no" people
:)saw that they were behind by a 2 to 1 margin, it would get out a bigger "no"
:)vote,  giving a truer representation of the net.opinion.  Well, obviously
:)I was wrong, and the majority grew to a 3 to 1 margin, SHOWING CLEARLY TO ALL
:)that there is considerable support for a split of some form.

I hate to do some bubble bursting here, but to attempt to draw any conclusions
from this vote is, to be blunt, silly. Your survey had 89 votes. If I remember
correctly, the vote on the current r.a.s structure had well over 1000. I think
a much better conclusion is that the people that would vote "no" don't see the
survey as important enough to bother with. I can tell you right now that that
is the the reason I didn't send in anything. It doesn't "clearly" show
anything.

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From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Thumper)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: rec.arts.startrek.reviews moderated
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:58:43 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.

In <1993Jan26.154918.530@admiral.uucp> pierce@admiral.uucp (Clinton Pierce) writes:

[Stuff about splitting rec.arts.startrek.current deleted because it has
ntohing to do with this RFD.]

>Opening up a "reviews" area, even 
>moderated, will drag the same discussion into two areas.

You lost me here. How does a crosspost of a review to (for example)
rec.arts.startrek.current and rec.arts.startrek.reviews with all
discussion directed to rec.arts.startrek.current 'drag the same discussion
into two' newsgroups????

-Geoff
--
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                "Things tend to go better if you don't screw up."
                              - hades@dartmouth.edu
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From: byab314@chpc.utexas.edu (Srinivas Bettadpur)
Newsgroups: news.groups,soc.culture.indian,rec.arts.poems,soc.culture.karnataka
Subject: Re: Super computers from India...way to GO guys
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:03:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Center for Space Research, University of Texas at Austin

In article <1993Jan26.153645.10113@bnr.ca> uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2) writes:
>I hope some a day a Muslim can become the Commander-in-Chief of the
>Indian Army (this will be another of the great idea for secularism).
>
  We have already had at least one I can think of : Air Chief 
Marshal I.H. Latif.  At one stage during his tenure, there was a Hindu 
at the head of Army, Muslim at the head of Air Force and a Christian 
at the head of Navy.  Obviously, they used to be called Amar Akbar 
Anthony.  Can anyone remember the names of the other two ?  This
was sometime during 1980-84.
                                                Srinivas
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BITNET : byab314@uthermes
From: mturner@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Mark Turner)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: RENAME several groups to rec.outdoors.*
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:27:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1993Jan25.212724.21786
Organization: Western Washington University

Tim Rigg <rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu> writes:

>                        REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION

[stuff about possibly moving these to a rec.outdoors.* hierarchy]

>rec.boats 
>rec.boats.paddle 
>rec.climbing 
>rec.scuba 
>rec.skiing 
>rec.skydiving 
>rec.windsurfing 

>So there are two separate topics in this RFD.  

>First, should the above groups be transfered to the rec.outdoors
>hierarchy?  As moderator of rec.hunting, I strongly support the
>renaming of rec.hunting.  Readers of the other groups should post to
>news.groups with comments about their groups.  

As a regular reader and sometimes participant in rec.backcountry and
rec.climbing, I don't have strong feelings about moving them under a new
hierarchy rec.outdoors.*.  However, I think it's just fine as it is and
not worth the hassle of moving things around.

[deleted]

>Second, should rec.backcountry be renamed and modified to include
>subgroups?  It seems that splitting rec.backcountry might be a good
>idea.  But, where to split the group is quite another debate.

NO.  I like the broad range of topics I find in the group right now.

>Possibilities include:

>rec.outdoors.camping
>rec.outdoors.backpacking
>rec.outdoors.hiking

>Regarding rec.backcountry, there are three things to be decided: 

>1) Is the change of rec.backcountry to rec.outdoors.misc needed?

NO.  Please leave it as is, or at worst, rename to rec.outdoors.backcountry.

>2) What subgroups have enough traffic to justify them?

No answer.

>3) What should rec.outdoors.misc's charter be?  Here is a suggestion

>   CHARTER: rec.outdoors.misc is for the discussion of general
>   backcountry topics.  These include backpacking, camping, hiking, the
>   state of wilderness areas, wildlife observation and the like.

Moot question.

>4) should the group be moderated?

It hasn't seemed necessary in the time I've been reading the group.

-- 
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Mark Turner
mturner@henson.cc.wwu.edu
==============================================================================
From: mosse@cs.pitt.edu (Daniel Mosse)
Newsgroups: pitt.general,pgh.general
Subject: One-way Pgh-San Francisco, Jan 24, 10am. Best offer...
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:56:04 GMT
Followup-To: pitt.general
Distribution: pgh
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science


I have a ticket on USAir to go to San Francisco on
Jan 24, 10am.  It is a direct flight AND they will serve LUNCH.
Ticket comes with a ride to the airport, if offer is good.

I would like to get a lot of money for it, but will consider best
offer...  Even if it is a little money.   E-mail now, or call later.

Home number: 661-8389.
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Dept of Computer Science
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From: hoffman@cs.pitt.edu (Bob Hoffman)
Newsgroups: pgh.general
Subject: Re: VCR Repair Recommendations
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:24:31 GMT
Distribution: pgh
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

I recommend CGS Electronics, 7171 Steubenville Pike, 787-0177.  The
owner, Clyde Stacy, is a good friend and an honest businessman.  He
is factory authorized for quite a few brands.

	---Bob.

--
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Pitt Computer Science    hoffman@cs.pitt.edu    FAX: +1 412 624 8854
From: anlst2+@pitt.edu (Arthur N Lilley)
Newsgroups: pgh.general
Subject: VCR Repair Recommendations
Date: 18 Jan 93 02:23:47 GMT
Distribution: pgh
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


     A few weeks ago, WTAE news ran a piece about getting ripped off by VCR
repair shops.  Well, wouldn't you know it, my VCR just broke.  Can anyone
recommend a reliable place to get my VCR repaired around here?  I guess that
news piece made me a little weary about walking into any old place I knew
nothing about, and then just taking their word for what needs to be repaired.
Thanks.

                                                    - Art
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