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From: paul@gergo.tamu.edu (From under the rock of Paul Stine)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Beer Battle Erupts Between U.S., Canada
Keywords: US Canada Taxes
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:41:00 GMT
Organization: Geochemical and Environmental Research Group - TAMU
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	  According to a story by Kenneth H. Bacon in today's 
	(Monday, July 27,1992) Wall Street Journal (page C13),
	'The Bush administration inposed a 50% duty - between 
	$2.60 and $3.00 a case - on beer imported from Ontario.
	Canada responded by slapping a 50% duty on beer shipped to 
	Ontario by G. Hielemann Brewing Co. and Stroh Company's 
	Stroh Brewery Co. unit.' 'The two comapanies brought a trade
	complaint back in 1990 charging that Canadian practices
	including certain sales and delivery restrictions and charges
	on imported beer, discriminated against the U.S. beer makers.'
	'The General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade criticized the 
	Canadian practices.'
	
	'In April, the U.S. and Canada reached an agreement in principle 
	to resolve these disputes, but Ontario jacked up some of its
	charges shortly after the agreement was reached, increasing the 
	obstacles for the U.S. brewers.'

	'... a case of U.S. beer sold in Ontario costs US$24.35, compared
	to US$20.65 for a competing Canadian beer. That same U.S. beer
	that sells for US$24.35 a case in Toronto costs US$10.85,
	fully taxed in Buffalo, N.Y. As a result, many Canadians come
	to the U.S. to buy beer.'

	  As the beer world turns ...

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	Paul E. Stine '83		Geochemical and Environmental
	aka "barkeeper"			       Research Group
	PAUL@GERGO.TAMU.EDU	  College of Geosciences and Marine Studies
					    Texas A&M University
					
	  The opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of 
	 the Texas A&M University System. I'm not even sure they are 
	 mine, as I think I had my opinion removed as a small child.
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From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Subject: Re: Keg design (oops)
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 17:13:59 GMT

In my previous post I said; " They're made from white pine and are water-tight
by fit".

I meant to say that they're made from oak (a significant improvement).

Sorry,  Ciaran.
From: ken_p1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Politics of Beer Centers in USA
Date: 21 Jul 92 03:35:41 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

Just an idle thought while trying to decide what excellent beer to buy next:

It seems that the places with the best local beers, brewpubs, and
microbreweries are in the more "liberal" areas of the country politically
speaking. i.e., Portland, OR and the Seattle, WA areas are well noted for their
excellent local offerings as is the SF Bay/Silicon Valley area, and I can't
leave out the Boston scene either.  Does good brew go hand in hand with
"liberalism" or is it just that these area have a higher than average
educational factor (higher salaries) and know how to appreciate and DEMAND good
beer?

As for myself, I can't wait to head out to Portland for the first time and
combine their marathon run with visiting the local brew scene!  I wonder if any
of the current or past U.S. presidents or veeps were beer connoisseurs?
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From: rkb6116@sigma.tamu.edu (Mr. Weather)
Subject: Beer advertising
Followup-To: alt.beer
Summary: Probably
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:15:00 GMT

In article, kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut) writes...

[stuff deleted]

>Well, you know what they say: 'Samuel Adams: Brewer, Patriot'

I always have to laugh when I read this on the label.  How can any red blooded
American pass this one up?!  What an all American slogan!  Budmilcoors is
throwing their advertising money away on women in bikinis!

Mr. Weather <> aka Ken Blair <> rkb6116@zeus.tamu.edu <> Aggieland USA
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From: kwl@po.CWRU.Edu (Kenneth W. Lux)
Subject: Re: Keg design
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 20:54:19 GMT


It may be interesting to try to keg your homebrew in a ball tap keg.
I tried this and it came out fairly well, but if you are using priming
sugar and not just adding CO2, you don't need as much sugar as you do
in normal bottling.

I also just had a party with a keg of Guinness tapped with nitrogen.
The pouring method had to be practiced in order to get the creamy head
that the nitrogen supplies.  This si due to the fact that the taps that
come from Guinness hav a cone at the spout in which is a plate that sits
perpindicular to the flow field.  This plate has four holes in it and is
situated at the base of the inverted cone-like spout.  This iinduces 
turbulent flow which causes the nitrogen to come out of solution.  This 
produces some foam which is streamlined by the cone-like spout.  The 
beer, once in the glass is then topped with the characteristic foamy head.

It took several pints to get the technique right, but sacrifices must be
made. :)

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From: mboening.pad@sni.de (Martin Boening)
Subject: Re: BAD PILSNER URQUELL
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Info.Sys. AG, Paderborn, Germany
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:37:57 GMT

In <1992Jul23.225317.20256@news.mentorg.com> archiel@sun_archielcom (Archie Lachner) writes:

>I guess some marketing types somewhere decided that Americans like to buy
>imported beers in green bottles.  It is worth noting that the vast majority of
>domestic beers as well as Bavarian beers in 1/2 litre bottles are sold in dark
>brown glass.  

This has nothing to do with Americans, I think. I've never seen Pilsner
Urquell in anything but green bottles. The same goes for Jever Pils and
Beck's Bier. I guess some breweries simply think, green bottles look
nicer than brown ones.

Martin
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From: ftgmdw@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: A beer called Roslyn
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:10:34 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

Could anybody help me ? I've heard of an American beer called ROSLYN, which
comes from a town of the same name near Seattle. As this is the name of my good
lady wife, and our first anniversary is imminent, I would earn no end of bonus
points for being a loving husband etc., if I presented her with a bottle or
two. To this end, does anyone know how I could get hold of some of this stuff ?

Any ideas would be gratefully received.

Yours,

Martin Wilks
From: mcnally@wsl.dec.com (Mike McNally)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Paulaner's Salvator
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:17:22 GMT
Organization: DEC Palo Alto

ddudek@dadd.ti.com (Dan Dudek,DDXD,) writes:
>By the way, where the hell does this 16.9 oz come from? Is this another 
>bizarre Metric thing...

Yeah, it's this really wack-o esoteric metric unit, 1/2 liter.


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From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Brett Rogers)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Politics of Beer Centers in USA
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:08:20 GMT
 <1992Jul23.010453.28946@lclark.edu> <1992Jul23.215248.6967@techbook.com>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center


In article <1992Jul23.215248.6967@techbook.com>, gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff
Frane) says:
>
>On the east side, of course, we have the old favorite, Produce Row,
>which probably only carries 15 or so beers on draught, but has several
>hundred in bottles.  And no live music.
>

     Several *hundred* in bottles?  That's incredible... I don't suppose
anyone knows of something like a Produce Row that's located in the San
Francisco Bay Area?  My roommates and I have been collecting obscure beer
bottles since freshman year, and although the collection sometimes grows
slowly when we find a brew we really like, we are trying to keep it going.
It would be nice to find a pub or some such we could regularly frequent.
Any help would be greatly appreciated (we're located in Palo Alto if that
helps).  Thanks...

Brett Rogers (eviron@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu OR addison@leland.stanford.edu)
From: phughes@spock.NMSU.Edu (HUGHES)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: I Want to open a Brewpub. How?
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:46:26 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University

I would like to find out how to open a brewpub, but do not have any addresses  
of microbrewery consultants, literature, etc.  that would help me out. I'd sure  
appreciate someone forwarding this information.

					Sincerely,
			
					Paul Hughes
					PO Box 4172
					Las Cruces, NM 88003
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: good vessel for chimay???
Followup-To: alt.beer
Summary: And other Belgian vessels
Organization: Rocking Pig Enterprises
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:19:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.162400.29280@sbil.co.uk> ben@spitws79.sbil.co.uk
(Gentle Ben) writes:

>Some types of belgian beer glass are very extreme, for instance one (I don't
>remember the name) has a round base, and comes with a special wooden
>cradle which it hangs in!

That would be the Kvak... the gimmick is  the glass is so weird when
you get about halfway through it goes 'kvak' (splat) back in your
face!  Great for tourists like me... that, and it's about 23 oz. at
10% alcohol or so...

-/-/-/-/-/-/
Kyle
From: ech@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Labatt extra dry...What a joke!
Date: 25 Jul 92 13:48:33 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


Labatts in Canada has just released its newest product:
		Labatt's extra dry.
It also claims to be double chilled.  Give me a break!  Cashing
in on both "cold filtered" and "dry" markets simultaneously!
What the hell do they do, warm it up and then cool it off agin?
These guys must have read up on the "theory of reduncay theory"
from a recent issue of the JIR.

	Ed
From: larryw@lclark.edu (Larry Westdahl)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Politics of Beer Centers in USA
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:04:53 GMT
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


When you come to Portland, try one of the many McMenamin's pubs, and 
definitely hit the Dublin Pub, which has 102 beers on tap.  The Dublin also
has a special club for those who have tried ALL of their beers.

- Lawrence

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From: mcnally@wsl.dec.com (Mike McNally)
Subject: Re: Alcohol Content of U.S. Beer
Organization: DEC Palo Alto
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:03:35 GMT

dprcxa@edp.arco.com (Craig Artley) writes:
>Coors does (or did) in fact ship concentrated wort by railroad tanker car
>to a second packaging plant in (I think) West Virginia.

Oh my God.  Oh well, I guess you can never go wrong underestimating the
mores of industrial brewers.

The plant in West Virginia would be a brewery (an extract brewery) (blecch,
extract-brewed Coors; how could they make it worse?), not just a packaging
plant  You have to boil, hop (oh---they probably hopped the wort in
Golden!), and ferment the wort before you get what they call beer.  I
will stick to my guns and say that you couldn't concentrate the finished
beer...well, you could, and then add back water and grain alcohol...
I'm making myself sick.



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From: holdensj@BusLab.cba.ufl.edu (STEPHEN J HOLDEN)
Subject: Re: Coopers Brewery (Australia)
Organization: College of Business, University of Florida
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:38:53 GMT

In article <ni2u9m0@fido.asd.sgi.com> rck@fangio.asd.sgi.com (Robert Keller) writes:


>A friend of mine just returned from a trip to Australia and 
>brought me a bottle of "Coopers Brewery Ltd, Sparkling Ale".
>It apparently was brewed and bottled in Leabrook, South 
>Australia.

>Can anyone tell me a bit more about this beer, or the brewery?

>..robert

i am not sure how big Coopers is, but I always think of it as being somewhat 
similar in size to Anchor in San Francisco (but I could be way off!)  Either 
way, it is a relatively small brewery in Australia relative to the majors, 
but bigger than the microbreweries like Matilda Bay Brewing Co. (West
Australia) and Powers (Queensland).

Coopers Sparkling Ale is, in my opinion, their best product.  It's cloudy 
colour is due to the fact that it is bottle conditioned (i.e., yeast added 
to the beer at bottling).  I was always intrigued at it's fruity nose - 
reminded me of a pear!  I have not seen it much in the U.S. -- I once was 
able to buy some in Athens, Georgia.  You will find other Coopers products 
around, most notably their lager -- but I don't think it holds a candle to 
their Sparkling Ale.

Cheers,
Stephen
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: binkley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Jon Binkley)
Subject: Re: Dragon Stout
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:38:09 GMT

jimv@dadd.ti.com (Jim Vahsen,VAHZ,) writes:

>A local liquor store just put a bunch of Jamaican brew on sale,
>for whatever reason, but it made for an interesting taste test...
>Red Stripe, Dragon Stout, and Dortmunder(?) Union were the brews.
>Dortmunder sounds more German to me, but I can't remember reading
>the label, and the Beer guy said they were all from the same brewer...

Dortmunder Union is definitly from Dortmund, Germany.  Maybe the
guy meant they were from the same importer or distributor.

Jon Binkley

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: ajd@itl.itd.umich.edu (Arthur Delano)
Subject: Steinbier (was Re: jever-commie-beer / PU / etc.)
Organization: Three
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:16:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.132942.15935@fokus.gmd.de> mhs@fokus.gmd.de (M.Schmeil) writes:
>if you like to drink a beer that put off your shoes try
>steinbier (don't know the brewery's name, it's only one 
>in the world, here in germany). somehow involved in the
>brew-mechanism are roasted stones (on special kinds of 
>wood). similar to dampf and rauchbeer, but the smoke-
>taste is one million times stronger.

I agree.  I don't know if it is still available in the U.S., but it
was about five years ago, when i worked at a package store.  We
ordered a case of it, wondering what it was, but any customer in an
experimental mood would never come back to buy more.  I got to take
a bottle home when nobody else wanted it.  Pfew!  Very strong flavor.
It has the flavor of liquid smoke and hops, but somewhat sweet as
well.  I have never felt so dried-out finishing a bottle of beer...

Supposedly one is supposed to drink four liters of steinbier before
developing a taste for it (after which, of course, one falls in
love with it), but choking down those first four liters would certainly
be an adventure.  And, in the U.S., it was $2.50 or so per half liter
five years ago, so it would be very expensive to develop a fondness for
such an exotic beer.

AjD
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From: dcb@rosedale.uucp (Dave Breneman)
Subject: Re: Homemade Apple Jack (how?)
Organization: The Spud Goodman Show
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 00:50:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.170305.5742@kpc.com> atl@kpc.com (Drew Lynch) writes:
>I have heard that "in the old days" AppleJack was made the following way:

A few glosses on your text...  :-)

>1) make apple cider

What you are refering to here is "raw" cider - unfermented.

>2) ferment the cider

Now you end up with cider.  No need to add anything like yeast - just
let it sit in a vessel with an air trap in a refrigerator for about 
a month.

>3) freeze the fermented product
>4) skim the non frozen liquid from the top (applejack)

Actually, when its frozen, what you have is the same basic type of
substance you have with frozen beer - sort of a porous frozen mass
with small pockets of unfrozen liquid.  You really have to let the
applejack drain out the bottom, and some water will come with it as
the ice has to melt and break apart a bit to let the liquid out.
This means you have to repeat the freeze/drain proceedure several times
to purify the applejack.

I have never tried it either... The cider tastes so GOOD and looks so
BEAUTIFUL I just can't bring myself to process it any further!

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From: JM#0@lafibm.lafayette.edu (JM#0000)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: RE: Texas beers the least of my worries
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:51:53 GMT



In article <75729@ut-emx.uucp> chris@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris Casey) writes:
>Well, my girlfriend & I just got back from a road trip to Nelson, Wisconsin &
>back, & I must say, as far as beer selection goes, I'm glad I live in Texas.
>We drove through Kansas, Iowa, & Minnesota on the way up (I slept through OK),
>& Wisconsin, Missouri, Illinois, & Arkansas on the way back.  We stayed in
>Emporia, Kansas on the way up, & Macomb, Illinois & somewhere just north of
>Arkansas on the way back.  Now, in every grocery store I went into (didn't stop
>in Missouri), just out of curiosity I would go check out the beer selections.
>Well, what I found was a small section chocked full of Miller/Coors/Bud/etc..,
>& maybe even Lowenbrau.  There were *no* imports, & rarely if ever any of the
>"good" American beers.  Granted, we didn't spend any time in big cities (like
>over 50K people), but I have a feeling that didn't have a whole lot to do with
>it.  Anyway, I was glad to get back home to the grocery stores & the health food
>grocery stores & their selection of non-industrial American beer & imports.  Heh, next time anyone complains about beer in Texas, I'll just send them on this
>route.....

As a former resident of small towns in Iowa and Minnesota, the first
mistake I can point to here is the decision to go into grocery stores
instead of liquor stores. Both those states have only legalized sell-
ing beer in grocery stores in the past decade, and in Minnesota, it's
3.2 beer only sold there. My Minnesota home -- St. Peter, pop. 9,200 --
had two small liquor stores with negligible choices in terms of wine
or anything but the basic hard liquor, but both offered everything
made by Schell's (the proximity to New Ulm helped), Cold Spring,
Summit Ale, and a number of foreign beers, including a couple from
Denmark not affiliated with the Carlsberg-Tuborg cartel that I have
not seen anywhere else in this country. In short, anyone who could
drive up to the upper midwest and go back saying they couldn't find
any decent beers regardless of being in a big city doesn't have much
more sticktoitiveness than someone who says he's running for president
and then backs out because he thinks he can't win. Wasn't he from
Texas, too? :-)

Jeffrey Miller
From: David.Gursky@p394.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (David Gursky)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Victoria Beer
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 22:18:21 -0500

  LW> From: larryw@sun.lclark.edu (Larry Westdahl)
  LW> 
  LW> When I go to Victoria, which is as often as possible, I always try to
  LW> get my hands on a fine local beer called Herman's Bavarian Dark Lager.
  LW> It is brewed in Vancouver, but I can only find it in certain places. 
  LW> What I'm wondering is if they export the beer anywhere in the U.S.  I
  LW> am in Portland, Oregon, and there are a few places here that sell
  LW> different types of international beers, but I can NEVER find good 'ol
  LW> Herman's.  Anyone out there who can help?  I'm down to my last bottle!

I'm planning on going to Vancouver in the fall.  Can you tell me more about
Herman's?  Is the brewery open for tours?  Are there any other good breweries /
microbreweries / Brewpubs (especially Brewpubs) in Vancouver?
From: dprcxa@edp.arco.com (Craig Artley)
Subject: Re: Alcohol Content of U.S. Beer
Organization: ARCO - Aept
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:53:49 GMT

In article <mcnally.712529287@wsl.pa.dec.com>, mcnally@wsl.dec.com (Mike McNally) writes:
|> knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:
|> >I had read in the paper that Coors was sued because they claimed their
|> >beer is made with 'sparkling mountain spring water' or some such, but
|> >in reality, they ship a *syrup* to the out of state sites and mix
|> >with local tap water.
|> 
|> I certain that this is absolutely false.
|> 
Coors does (or did) in fact ship concentrated wort by railroad tanker car
to a second packaging plant in (I think) West Virginia.  They started this
around 3 years ago, and as far as I know they still do it.  The line given
out on the brewery tour is that Coors looked long and hard for a place in
the East that had "Mountain Spring Water" of high enough quality.  Note
that they don't say "Rocky Mountain Spring Water".  The words were no
doubt carefully chosen.

I don't know what ever happened to the law suit.  I never heard any more
about after the initial report.  This was a couple of years ago.

I don't know how much beer they package at this second facility, but I think
it is a relatively small percentage, destined for that regional market.

The Coors tour in Golden is definitely worth your time if you are in the 
Denver area.  Coors is definitely my favorite mega-brewery, but I realize
that is faint praise.  Besides, I live in Golden!
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