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From: luisg@hadar.fai.com (Luis Galleguillos)
Subject: Dockers and Levi Travellers pants
Originator: luisg@lugano
Organization: Fujitsu NTS
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:59:47 GMT


I have been thoroughly disappointed with the Dockers line of men's
slacks. These are made of 100% cotton and just after 30 minutes it
looks like you have never ironed them. It makes you look like a cheap and
ordinary slob. Considering how good they look at the store and the
above than average price you pay, this is definitively a goof from Levis.

Another Levis goof is the much touted slacks under the label The Travellers.
Perhaps their name is because that after ten minutes of wearing them it
looks as though you have been really travelling and sleeping in them for a week.
Again these pants have a very nice look and soft to the touch in the store.
It is only when people stare at your wrinkled crotch area that you realize
you have been taken. One redeeming detail is that in the lavel it says: "If
for any reason you are not satisfied return them" I am planning to do
just that.

I think somebody in Levis is making a lot of mistakes.

luis
luisg@hadar.fai.com
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:19:37 EST
From: Z. Selin Hur <ZHUR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: our fashion group

J. Schiffman- Rhode Island is a great school, however it is not a fashion
              design powerhouse.  It's fabulous for architecture!
Tariq- Am I correct to assume that cmu.adu is Carnegie Mellon? I'm from
       Pittsburgh and I know a lot of students, faculty, and administration
       there.
Everyone:  There were a couple of "nasty" postings.  Let's rememberto respect
           each other's opinions and when they differ, post them in a nicer
           tone.
Spring shows are behind us and what does everyone think?
Personally, it seemed that Bill Blass and Oscar de le Renta did practically
the same collections and that New York designers are doing too much of the
70's thing.
Ciao, Selin
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman)
Subject: Re: Fabric Care [REPOST]
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:50:20 GMT

Fenny Frampton writes:

>Linen (flax)
>------------

>[Care for] same as for cotton.

Linen is damaged by optical whiteners.

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From: brookc1@mail.auburn.edu (Cassandra Brooks)
Subject: Re: Do you distinguish day wear from evening wea
Reply-To: brookc1@mail.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 00:22:16 GMT
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:59:36 EST
From: <WAS104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Wedding Dress Designer

HI, everyone.......I was wondering if anyone new of a good art school to go to
for designing wedding dresses?????  I think this is what I want to do with my l
ife, and am clueless as to where to start....
                                             thank you
                                                       tara
From: Six@London.Fields.UK (Nicola Six)
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: our fashion group
Keywords: pretentious
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:54:21 GMT
Organization: End of the Millenium

Parsons and FIT are nice, but if you have an IQ above 120 and a little more 
money you might just be able to get into the Rhode Island School of Design (
RISD) up on the hill in Providence right next to Brown.

						-J. Schiffman
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From: brookc1@mail.auburn.edu (Cassandra Brooks)
Subject: Re: Miscellaneous fashion-related questions...
Reply-To: brookc1@mail.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 00:29:32 GMT
From: Kane@Xanadu.com (Charles Foster Kane)
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Sacre Merde
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:25:08 GMT
Organization: The Evening Herald

So this is what this group is about ?
A bunch of college students talking about Dockers(tm) !? and schools like 
Parsons and FIT ?!?
I thought maybe somone would know what the summer lines from Gianinni 
Versache nad Hugo Boss might be like.

Ah well.

					Ciao,
					jjs
From: gnorton@sunburn.ec.usf.edu. (Gregory Norton (EE))
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Dockers and Levi Travellers pants
Date: 7 Nov 92 15:18:15 GMT
Organization: Univ. of South Florida, College of Engineering

I agree about Dockers.  The main problem is that the material seems to
be too lightweight to stay wrinkle free.  I ususally get my kakhis from
the Gap where they use a heavier fabric.
 
Are you wearing these to work in a "dress up" environment?  It is a shame
to walk down the street and see so many nice dress shirts and $40 dollar
ties paired with the Dockers.
  I learned early on that it is better to have one nice pair of wool dress
slacks than two pairs of Dockers.  People don't notice you wearing the
same pants twice if you have different ties.  People DO notice when you've
dressed too budget consciously.
  Of course, take your cues from work.  Displaying better clothes sense than
the boss is looking for trouble. 
 
Gregory Norton
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: pwai (Patrick Wai)
Subject: Re: Dockers and Levi Travelers pants
Followup-To: alt.fashion
Organization: Adobe Systems Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:34:01 GMT


> 
> Almost all men's clothes are made overseas. Are there any brands made
> exclusively in the USA? Also maybe it is good that clothing factories move
> to our next door neighbors to aliviate social and economic problems there. I
> guess this is a topic for another news group...
> 

Lands' End carries a line of clothing that is very similar to Levi's
Dockers, and personally speaking, I much prefer Lands' End to Levi's.

BTW, the majority of the merchandise carried by LE is made in U.S.


Patrick
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: brookc1@mail.auburn.edu (Cassandra Brooks)
Subject: Re: Fashion magazines
Reply-To: brookc1@mail.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 00:34:43 GMT



Xref: sparky alt.fashion:314 alt.sewing:3324
From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Usenet and $$$
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:06:38 GMT
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.


	Color me naive but the thought of someone cheating
never occured to me till Garth mentioned it. I just naturally
assumed that it was more for fun then anything else. 
	When you are not actually bowling head to head the best
you can do is submit your scores and wait. Whatever the net
concensus is my wife and I will go for. After all we are
not solving the world's ill's are we.
	On another point. We bowl late shift on Fri's, I don't
work every weekend (although you couldn't convince the family),
so our scores probably will not be submitted till sometime
the following Monday, just food for thought.
	To continue rambling. I was on a mini-roll last week.
22?-209 then the lanes broke. 1.5 hours later I finished with
a resounding 157. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Talk about
completely losing any flow, I just completely lost it :(.
Oh well there's always next week.

	GOOD LUCK and GOOD SCORES...........

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From: L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Misc things that piss me off...
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 14:01:24 GMT

To the guy who is rude to the early squad that is not finished when your
league time comes up:

Don't blame us, we were ready each turn, but the wait for ball returns, (while
our balls were being chewed up by the equipment), the porters to get the dead
wood (that the pin setter spit into the middle of the lane), the mechanics to
go from lane 1 to our pair at 51 & 52 to reset an out of range, or getting
a mechanic to come off of break to reset the spare leave that the automatic
resetter, reset!
Yell, harass, intimidate, mandate, retalilate at the Centers' management for
having such crappy equipment, low paid personnel, & greedy, stupid, time
management ideas, like having leagues only 2 hours apart!

Pamela (Whew!  That felt good to get that load off my chest!) ;-)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:24:05 EST
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: FBL stuffola...
 <1992Nov5.173140.31190@europa.asd.contel.com>

In article <1992Nov5.173140.31190@europa.asd.contel.com>,
ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley) says:
>
>Average on wood or synthetic?  Or do we really care?  I don't, but just
>a side thought ...

I know I don't care.

>>Handicap league, 80% of 200 90% of 210 ??
>
>Motion for 80% of 200 ...

I'll second that.  Better bowlers don't deserve to have skill completely
'handicapped' away.  Right, Mr. I-average-115-Aki?

As for selection of which league to use, I have two suggestions:
First, we could do it like tournament play.  Pick a date and whatever
league has your highest average that's the league you'll stay with.

Or, in the interest of timely reporting, just pick whichever league
plays earliest in the week.  Everyone bowls at least once by Wednesday,
don't they?  ;-)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: dougr@microsoft.com (Doug Rosencrans)
Subject: Turbo X
Date: 09 Nov 92 17:44:56 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

Anyone have any opinions or info on the Turbo X?

Later,

Doug
From: MAX@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark K. Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: FBL Tidbits ...
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:58:57 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Nov11.175200.4535@europa.asd.contel.com>,
ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley) says:
>
>Average-10 is fairly standard ... and to Mark, if that league was a mixed
>league, the league was in violation of Rule 105b(1) ...

Nope.  It was a men's league and, dare I say, unsanctioned.  It folded
this year; I wouldn't have bowled in it again anyway.

>Dave Fleck notes:
>>
>>I think having an entering  average will be a good idea...  Let's vote
>>on it.
>>
>
>If that is read as a motion, I will second it ... we do need to decide on
>how many weeks that average will be used as the basis for computing the
>handicap.  The Thursday late league (Aki and myself) used it for three weeks  .

Hmmm...  Maybe I'm not following this quite right.  I was suggesting just
bringing in the average from whatever league chosen to use as the FBL
games.  The way I'm thinking, your FBL average and the average from your
chosen league should never be different, although substituting other
games in the case of an absence would get things out of sync.  Due to the
"how many weeks" discussion, I see that other folks may have been thinking
something else for "entering average."  That's the thing we do for three
weeks at the beginning of the season.

>Mark Miller queries:
>>And now for the real important stuff: (seriously, am I the first one to
>>think about this?)  What point system will we use?  My Monday league uses
>Eight points ... YES!!!! ... as a League Secretary, I *HATE* half-points ...

Ok.  I prefer the eight point (only loonies do half points) over the
head-to-head system.

>Mark Miller nominates:
>>
>>I nominate Aki Damme for president and Bob Ashley for vice president.
>>
>
>Whoa, wait ... who knew I would be on travel these last two days ?!   :-)
>
>I had mentioned an idea of have the officers geographically distant as well
>... hmmmm.

Sounds like you might need to do some nominating.
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From: rich@devnet.la.locus.com (Rich Silva)
Subject: Re: Adjustments.
Reply-To: rich@locus.com
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:08:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.140443.23026@worldbank.org>, aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
|> In article <BxKJAx.FF1@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com> Glenn Williams,
|> glw@io.it.uswc.uswest.com writes:

|>>I have forgotten the rules( if there are any ) for making adjustments at the 
|>>line. Is it move 3 boards left and throw 1 board right of your mark?
|> 
|> Everyone seems to have a standard "rule" for position adjustment.
|> Me, I never change my mark unless I have to. Moving where I stand is the
|> most major adjustment I tend to make, using my mark as a reference
|> point.   If you start moving where you stand AND you mark, confusion
|> develops.  I try to keep it simple.  If a mark adjustment is necessary, I
|> make it very slight and adjust from there.

    But, the system mentioned is also one of the "common ones" that
    works.  As I recall it (for right handed bowlers), once you have
    set your strike up, you pick whichever of the "front pins" (7-4-
    2-1-3-6-10) (whether its still there or not) as a target.  For
    each pin away from the pocket you want to move your ball, you move
    your feet 3 boards in the opposite direction, and move your "mark"
    1-board to the left.  So to pick up the 7, you'd move 12(!)-boards
    right, and move your mark 4-boards left.  I have a reference at
    home that I'll bring in and "quote", cuz I know what I'm
    describing is closer to what I do, then what the "book" says.

    I'm sure most of you are saying loud "NOT!" about now...

    A system is only that, a system.  You have to modify it for your
    own style, and lane conditions.  I use it for the "center" pins,
    and do whatever works for the 7 or 10 (I have a strong backend
    hook, so try to straighten a shot at the 10, and throw "at" the 4
    to pick up the 7)

    remember, that tomorrow is Monday.... so I'll be posting the "system"
    then.

-- 
Rich Silva
Locus Computing Corporation		   rich@LOCUS.COM
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: Usenet and $$$
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:44:40 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck) writes:
> all over the US and  england so far it will be very hard to cheat.  If
                       England.

Sorry for the typo!
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Usenet and $$$
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7243350A4352631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Mon, 9 Nov 92 20:25:04 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:26:45 GMT

In article <BxGnrp.Boq@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Garth Longdon,
longdon@itd.nrl.navy.mil writes:
>It's not the size of the individual contribution that bothers me; as you
point out,
>$10-$20 over a season won't kill me one way or the other.  Just the idea
that the
>potential exists for someone to cheat others out of a larger prize. 
However,  since
>Dave will be monitoring scores, this is much less of a threat than
otherwise.
>
>Anyway, what the hell, it sounds like fun, count me in.
>

Welcome to the bowling fracas then!

As for the monitoring of individual averages...I agree that the potential
exists for cheating.  I don't know how we could verify each persons
games except to have the secretary be mailed the league slips each
week or for the end of year summary page be sent to the secretary.

One option is not to have members from the same area bowl on the
same team.  This will reduce the possiblity of someone cheating
on their games.  If a question arises, have the other person in that
area verify the score for the secretary.  Of course, this only works
if there are more than one person in the same geographic area.

Another idea, is possibly, once per month, each bowler send the last
4 league slips to the secretary to verify the months games. 

I donno, I think the potential for cheating exists, we will have to
really trust everyone to be honest or this just won't work.

I suggest this...

We NOT submit any money for the first month.  During that time we
all can decide if this will even work.  If it looks like everyone is
being on the up and up, lets go all the way.

Look, it's only a bowling ball, not a new car or anything.  If someone
is cheating because they need a ball that badly, they need more help
than we can possible provide anyway.

Then we'll have no choice but to shoot them, string them up by their
eyelids and make them listen to Bo Burton training tapes.....;-)


-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: awoods@mitre.org (Ann Woods)
Subject: Re: FBL stuffola...
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:25:28 GMT

Sign me up!

Ann Woods


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The MITRE Corporation
E-mail:  awoods@mitre.org
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King)
Subject: Re: ProHook, I'm Impressed
Organization: GTE/SCSD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:23:13 GMT

Aki, The ProHook up here is going for 137.50 at the local PS.  I can get
10% off because I belong to a league in the house making it a nice tidy
123.75.  Add grips and you are at 130.75.  I decided to pass on the deal
though. 

--
Larry King
GTE Government Systems, Needham, MA    		(617) 455-3384 
E-Mail : king%ssvax.dnet@get.com
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: FBL Membership List
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:31:50 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

Here is the new  list...as  always...  if you have  sent me email  and
your name is NOT on this list let me know.

We currently have 56 members...  yep..  56....  that is 14 full teams.

Me (Dave Fleck - League Secretary)	fleck@cs.itc.hp.com
Bob Ashley			ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Mike Ball			CSVMCB@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU
Keith Becker			keith@rss.dl.nec.com
Dana Boisvert			dboisver@cs.ulowell.edu
James Brownell			frodo@logjam.trg.saic.com
Bill Bulko			wcbulko@rapids.austin.ibm.com
Carl Chesbrough			carl@wrs.com
Tammy Chesbrough		carl@wrs.com
Andy Cookingham			cookinga@vnet.ibm.com
Dave Dalke			pierce@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Aki Damme			aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
Lynn Damme			aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
Tony DeBari			tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us
Dave Drab			daved@rocky.gte.com
Mark Dunster			dunster@sdsu.edu
Pamela Fitts			L621035@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com
Eric Freese			ericf@meaddata.com
Steve Gabrilowitz		steve-gabrilowitz@orl.mmc.com
Brenda Gabrilowitz		steve-gabrilowitz@orl.mmc.com
Pat Gleason			pgleason@ncratl.atlantaga.ncr.com
Martin Greenberg		mgg@ece.cmu.edu
Todd Grimes			tgrimes@ncratl.atlantaga.ncr.com
Mike Gross			gross@cis.ohio-state.edu
Mike Haffley			mike@cnc.iupui.edu 
Jeff Hammond			jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA
Brenda Hammond	 		jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA
Rob Hayles			rh2@ukc.ac.uk
Joel Horn			joel@travis.ssd.csd.harris.com
Mark Hunt			mahunt@eos.ncsu.edu
Mark Jessick			jessick@dg-rtp.dg.com
Mike Karin			mikek@col.hp.com
Dave Kennerud			kennerud@math.cornell.edu
Larry King			king@ssvax.gte.com
Richard Krause			rich@balr.balr.com
Michael Lau			michaell@bnr.ca
Bruce L				brucel@compass-da.com
Garth Longdon			longdon@itd.nrl.navy.mil
Patrick McCabe			mccabe@oswego.Oswego.EDU
Mark Miller			MAX@psuvm.psu.edu
Barbara Newell			bnewell@AFIT.AF.MIL
Paul Palmer			palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov	
Walter Perz			wperz@srg1.psych.pitt.edu
Alan Peterman			al@qiclab.scn.rain.com
Anton Pintar			antonp@delfin.com 
Dave Rhoda			dkr@raster.Kodak.COM
Doug Rosencrans			dougr@microsoft.com
Brian Schroeder			BSCHROEDER@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU
Guy Simpson			simpson@dg-rtp.dg.com
Nick Stratigos			ns05+@andrew.cmu.edu
Mike Thompson			MGTST2@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Keith Voss			kvoss@theory.pppl.gov
Michael Ward			mdward01@mik.uky.edu
Jeff Wilk			JWILK@auvm.american.edu
Don Winske			awoods@mitre.org
Anne Woods			awoods@mitre.org
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: 8 Nominations
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 19:48:00 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
We need to get the offices filled today, so they can help me with the
team assignments.
I think we should have the officers split  geographically  also.  So I
will nominate Pamela Fitts as Vice President.
Dave
______________________________________________________________________
I'll accecpt.  I'm currently VP of my Mixed 4's league.  I know that
thats the one job that *sounds* important, but ya really don't do
nut'in! :-)))
I also have a working knowlege of Robert's Rules of Order! :-) (Like
any of you will ever need them...no one else does!)
Pamela
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: gross@tuna.cis.ohio-state.edu (michael anthony gross)
Subject: Re: Finally!!!!
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:50:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.154512.17830@cis.ohio-state.edu> gross@tuna.cis.ohio-state.edu (michael anthony gross) writes:
>
>Hey all!
>    I have finally shot a 700 in league, yeah in 3 games, no kidding.  Monday 


Correction :

> If you need any details E-mail me,

I need details, E-mail me if I need to know anything or if you need to ask me 
^^^^^^ for bowling information.

> I'll try to be at the computer Monday morning.  Enjoy and good Bowling...
>
				Myke...

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