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From: Dale English@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Goaltending (new to group)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 21:04:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Hi folks!
     I have been following this group, but waiting until I have finished
viewing all the current appends before posting.  I noticed one thing.

There seem to be no goaltenders here!

     Anyways, I AM a goaltender and just purchased a new pair of Micron
goaltender skates.  In my last pair of Bauers, the leather boot became
detached from the shell.  Anyways, I am back skating again.  Right now I am
skating at Rye Playland in Rye, New York.  It will be too bad when the season
ends.

     However, I did get a pair of in-lines for Christmas and have used them
quite a bit.  My only problem is stopping quickly and reversing direction on
a dime.  Most of the time when I in-line skate, I usually have a hockey stick
in my hands.  I have also worked on technique as well, which has carried
over nicely into ice skating.

     I did have the presence of mind NOT to try to hockey stop with in-lines.
I have the strength and balance to do a spin stop, but if anyone can provide
assistance for a "stop-on-a-dime-change-of-direction" move, I would
appreciate it.

     I have also been developing a greater appreciation for figure skating
since it appears they can skate better than I can (and I skate VERY well).
Anyways, Scott Hamilton went over six types of jumps during the Olympics, and
I can only remember Axel, Flip, Lutz, Salchow(sp?) and Toe Loop.  If
someone would name the last, it would ease my mind.

Dale "30" English
From: adchen@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Anthony D. Chen)
Subject: Inlines:  Bauer buckle skate (Re: buckles vs. laces - INLINE)
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 05:46:32 GMT

In article <2037@ra.nrl.navy.mil> kim@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Ellis Kim) writes:
>
>Yeah, I just checked it out again, because i didn't have the model number 
>in my memory banks (sheez, the things one does for one's fellow netters ;-)
>Anyway, the model number is Bauer XF-3.  It's an all-buckle skate.  The reason
>Tony hasn't heard of it is probably because it is a women's inline. And as

Ah, silly me.  I knew of the Bauer Women's skate long ago.  Of course,
being male, it didn't stick in my mind too well 8-)  Actually, I think
the main reason I didn't remember is that it's an all *velcro*-buckle
skate, which makes a difference (to me anyway).  It's not even the velcro 
buckles + clip buckles of the Macroblades.  It's all velcro.  IMHO, it seems 
like this method would wear out the velcro all too soon.  Velcro on, velcro 
off, velcro on, velcro off (ala Karate Kid)...

>Am i reading correctly between the lines that you are not in favor of all-
>buckle skates? If yes, what is  the reason? I have no experience with an

Hmmm, did I sound anti-buckle in my post?  I'm quite the opposite! 8-)
I started out on Aeroblades (3 rachet buckles) and I'm still on 'em.  The 
buckles allow for really quick transitions from shoes to skates and back,  
being able to adjust the support while rolling is very useful, and the
light weight is good for jumping stairs too 8-).

Happy shredding...

-Tony Chen
 adchen@phoenix.princeton.edu
From: adchen@shade.Princeton.EDU (Anthony D. Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: buckles vs. laces - INLINE
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:21:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: Princeto.1992Apr13.232109.12270
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <2010@ra.nrl.navy.mil> kim@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Ellis Kim) writes:
>>
>is easy to retighten. i tried bauer's all-buckle inlines, but they didn't fit
>well on my foot. don't know why. the buckles are adjustable, so i don't think
>that the fault is with the buckle design. 

Bauer has an all-buckle skate now?  Pray tell, what is the model name
for this skate?  I'd be interested in the stats for this skate.  Last I
knew of, they didn't have a buckle skate.  But I guess they're matching
all the other manufacturers now (unless the above poster was mistaken).

-Tony Chen 
 adchen@phoenix.princeton.edu
Newsgroups: austin.announce,rec.skate
From: todd@cleo.abt.com (Todd Nix)
Subject: In-line Skate Race: Sunday, April 12
Organization: Alternative Broadcast Technology, Austin, Texas
Distribution: tx
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:56:25 GMT

Armadillo Sports is sponsoring an In-line Skate Race on Sunday, April 12.

You can register at Armadillo, or call them for info at 478-4128.
Or call Martin Pahl at 482-9319.

Cost is $15 for the 10k race and $13 for the 5k. 
Add $5 for registering after the 8th. 
Subtract a dollar for each entry for families entering together.

Awards:
10k 5wheel	1-$100 2-$50 3-$25 4-$10 5-$5
10k 4/3wheel	1-$25  2-$10 3-$5
no prizes for 5k...except for 12 and under

Age Group Divisions: <12, 13-16, 17-29, 30-39, 40-49, 50+

Race will be on flat terrain in a empty housing division  east of I35 and 
William Cannon. Racers need to arrive by 8am.

Helmets are REQUIRED.


-- 
Todd Nix (todd@cleo.abt.com)                         cleo!todd@dellunix.dell.com
 Movement1981-1982Power,Corruption,andLiesLowLifeBrotherhoodSubstanceTechnique
From: pinch@cs.washington.edu (Ricardo Pincheira)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Inlines:  Racing wheels placement
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:35:03 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr12.091943.23524@Princeton.EDU> adchen@room.Princeton.EDU (Anthony D. Chen) writes:
>While paging thru Inline Magazine, I noticed an ad by Built For Speed
>which had two pictures of Bont boots with two different blade assemblies:
>
>                     /-----------\        /-----------\
>                     0  O  O  O  O        O    O O    O
>
>One is your regular five-wheeler, the other is only four wheels but the
>length is as long as the five-wheeler.  Also, the two middle wheels are
>set the regular distance apart, but both are a wheel-length from the
>front/back wheels.
>
This is a 1/2-guessed answer, but I think it's mostly true.
Built for Speed is primarily an ice-speed-skating outfitter.  A shortcoming of
most inlines is that they are *much* higher off the ground than ice skates.
(warning warning: this comes from a non-ice skater)
So bfs tries to put the boot as low as possible over the wheels.  But,
bont boots take a big bolt that's attached from below.
The thing is that the bolt attaching the boot to the frame takes up space
and you can't put the wheels at a regular distance apart.  That's why the
midde wheels are very close together, so you can clear the boot mounting bolts.

>Is this to get the stability of 5 wheels, but to save weight by having
>only four?  Or some other reason?  To save wheels perhaps?  
>
>
>-Tony Chen
> adchen@phoenix.princeton.edu


Yes, you save weight.  More important, 4 wheels allow the skate to "break"
to the side a little quicker than 5 wheels, ie,, there's a little
difference in edging between 4 and 5 wheels.  This was mentioned to me by a
friend who has the 4-wheel frame (I have the 5 wheel frame.  One of these
days I'll take off one of the wheels to see) Again, remember
that Built for Speed comes from a longstanding ice-skating tradition.
No, I've never ice skated so I don't know whether this more closely
simulates edging on an ice blade.  At any rate,
you'll notice that the shape and placement of the boot relative to
the plate closely parallels that of an ice blade (look at the vertical drop
from the rear axle, and the vertical drop from the front of the fornt
wheel and compare that to an ice blade).  Finally, the original Darkstar
plates had only 4 wheels, so there is a certain component of tradition
involved.  Why? I believe though am not entirely certain
that this was because the boot was set even lower to the top of the plate
than it is with the newer plates (old plates took only 72 mm wheels, so the
boot could be lower), not allowing enough space for 3 wheels between the 2
boot mounting bolts.  (Bont boots have a standard spacing between the bolts,
a little over 6 inches or so).


Ricardo
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: iceskate@leland.Stanford.EDU ( Lin)
Subject: Re: ICE:  Olympic/World Figure Skating Tour
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 03:27:34 GMT

Does anyone know if this Tom Collins Tour will be shown on TV sometime in the
future?  If so, what channel, date, and time?
	--Alex

Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: 8 figure skate recommendations/FAQ?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 13:28:36 GMT

When I skated competitively, I used custom Harlicks (San Carlos,CA).  They
were very good boots, but quite expensive.  My blades were Strauss 5 star
finalist.  Won a few gold medals in pairs with those skates.  The ISIA
has endorsed SP-Teri as a good boot.

Good luck in your search!
Chris Colvin



------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
I'm considering buying my own skates because I'm getting tired of the
variability in rental skates.  Does anyone have any recommendations on what I
should look for?  Is there an FAQ somewhere for ice skating?

--
Antonio Querubin
tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu / ah6bw@uhm.ampr.org / querubin@uhunix.bitnet

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From: zeke@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Solly Ezekiel)
Subject: Re: Mikori Ito
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:25:24 GMT

While we're on the subject, does anyone know the name of the music that
Kovarikova and Novotny used for their short program in Worlds?

  +--------------------------+---------------+---------------------------+
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  |     ...You go first."    |  Sol Ezekiel  |      of my employer,      |
  |          -- Sallah       |               |    Space Systems/Loral    |
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From: las@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Subject: Re: Inlines:  Racing wheels placement
Reply-To: las@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Organization: Computer Center, CUNY Graduate School, New York NY 10036
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:03:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.091943.23524@Princeton.EDU>, adchen@room.Princeton.EDU (Anthony D. Chen) writes:
>While paging thru Inline Magazine, I noticed an ad by Built For Speed
>which had two pictures of Bont boots with two different blade assemblies:
>
>                 #1  /-----------\     #2 /-----------\
>                     0  O  O  O  O        O    O O    O
>
>One is your regular five-wheeler, the other is only four wheels but the
>length is as long as the five-wheeler.  Also, the two middle wheels are
>set the regular distance apart, but both are a wheel-length from the
>front/back wheels.
>
>Is this to get the stability of 5 wheels, but to save weight by having
>only four?  Or some other reason?  To save wheels perhaps? 
 
       A reply:

>> Hi tony. I asked the same question and was told that stability 
>> was the reason. I was also told that becouse of rolling resistance
>> arangement #2 was  slower even if  the wheels were of very high
>> durometer.   Gotta get together and do CP one of these days!!


                      Sal
  
>
>
>-Tony Chen
> adchen@phoenix.princeton.edu
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From: jll@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (julia lawall)
Subject: Ice skating rinks
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 10:54:52 -0500


I'm new to skating, so please forgive my ignorance.

Are there rinks that are open in the summer time?  More particularly, are
there any in or near Princeton, NJ?

julia
From: piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Nancy Piltch)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Ice skating rinks
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:22:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <ABOULANG.92Apr14125722@kariba.bbn.com>, aboulanger@bbn.com writes...
> 
>Yes this is the sad seasonal prejudice I was alluding to. It really is
>a bizarre Northern behavioral pattern in the eyes of a Southerner.

.. or economic ... 

> 
>I do not think it as big an energy investment as one may at first
>thought think. There is a lot of thermal inertia in water. The cost is

Well, there's a surprisingly big head load just from the overhead
lighting, and either the (rather large - and probably poorly insulated) 
building has to be airconditioned to reduce the temperature gradient 
above the ice - which is itself a pretty big energy load - or the ice 
has to be maintained against an even larger thermal gradient.

At the same time, revenues are down since most of the clubs, which are
likely the largest income producers, don't run through the summer.

So saying, I happen to thoroughly enjoy summer ice skating, especially
on those wretched humid days when outdoor activity just doesn't
appeal. At least two Cleveland area ice rinks stay open all year.


Nancy Piltch            piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov
NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland Ohio 44135
From: BEVLOW@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Info on World FigSkate Champs
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:29:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: MAINE.92098.112926BEVLOW
Organization: University of Maine System

I was away on business during the World Figure Skating Championships and
am embarrassed to say I did not have a chance to read a newspaper or
catch the results on TV. Busy, busy, busy! Would some kind sole please
E-Mail me the WOMEN'S RESULTS. The newsfile has expired . . . Thanks!

Beverly Low
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat)
Subject: Professional "Competitions" (Cynics eye view)
Originator: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Keywords: flame, cynicism
Reply-To: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:35:24 GMT


Am I alone?

I have given up watching the professionals in their so-called
competitions.  Aside from the observation that the pros skating
is not anywhere near the technical level of the amateurs (even
themselves, and there are a couple of exceptions) I believe that
these things are staged media events that are arranged so that
various skaters can bill themselves (for their commercial travelling
shows) as, e.g.

THE 2 Time Professional Champion of...

5 Time medallist...

National Gold Medalist...

Intergallactic Biped Champion of the entire known universe...

The number of 10's (10= "It is inconceivable that any skater could possible
perform a better program") granted (for 7.2 performances, and who knows 
why 6 is not the max for pros) is obscene.  I could live with the Pros giving
shows, generally their form, poise, and grace are worthwhile and fun, but
the hype, the fact that they, of all people, know how undeserved
their marks are, and the fact that they most likely know who is going to
win offends me too much.

Did Debby Thomas deserve to get beaten?  Sure, she's retiring and so her
show doesn't need to be able to bill her as a Gold medal winner, give
the phoney honor to somebody whose show can make bucks off it.
("Don't worry, we'll make sure your top name star, whomever is with you then,
wins the nationals NEXT year"  (Or Next show, if we can con the networks
into paying for another madison avenue championship sooner.)
-- 
Nothing happens here

	...Wex
From: ylsul@athena.mit.edu (Young Sul)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: backpains
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:58:33 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <ABOULANG.92Apr6124221@pilsner.bbn.com> aboulanger@bbn.com writes:
>In article <1992Apr5.162632.18848@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ae299@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
>(Jack L. Wallace) writes:
>
>
>   There are a number of us, over 50, who skate because it helps our
>   back. I don't know why, but the stroking seems to exercise those
>   muscles that hurt the most.
>   Note: I skate on Ice
>
>
>There are also a number of us under 50 who skate in part for our
>backs. When I was in grad school, I was really depressed and had lots
>of back trouble.  About that time I started skating. Skating gave me
>both a good mental framework exercise so that the back trouble
>evaporated. The mental part helped a lot -- there is something freeing
>about gliding on a good wood (or ice) surface.
>
>
>Another person with a back,
>Albert Boulanger
>aboulanger@bbn.com

YES! YES! YES!
I'm 27 and have had chronic lower backpain since high school. Skating
really does the trick. I think it has something to going into a crouch
when you want to skate _fast_: this probably forces your lower back
muscles to actually do some work (mine usually sit in a chair all
day long)...

			-y
From: adchen@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Anthony D. Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Inlines: Powell bearings' speed cream
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:09:42 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

I was reading Inline USA's winter catalog (just got it) and I noticed
that they say you're supposed to apply the Speed Cream that comes with
Powell bearings when you install them.

Is this true?  If so, I've been seriously trashing my Powells, since I
thought the lubricant was for re-lubing.  Thing is, they still spin like
crazy.  What's the real story?

-Tony Chen
 adchen@phoenix.princeton.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: tflynn@infocenter.encore.com (Tonya Flynn)
Subject: Re: Mikori Ito
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:37:57 GMT

Sorry about that--before I get flamed--yes, I know her name is Midori Ito
I just can't type this morning.

Still--what a loss!


                                           |
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(305/797-2446)                           / | \     Ft. Lauderdale, Fl 33313
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sand bar"--Crew of Natty Dread          ------     INTERNET: tflynn@encore.com
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From: wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat)
Subject: Re: Mikori Ito
Originator: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Keywords: Quitting
Reply-To: wex@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:10:27 GMT


In article <1992Apr13.165555.16390@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, htr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (helena.t.robinson) writes:

	...confirming (from The New York Times) the retirement
	of Midori Ito.

USA Today yesterday said the same thing  -- that she said that she
wanted to do more than just skate.  (maybe she could take up tennis).



-- 
Nothing happens here

	...Wex
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Goaltending (new to group)
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:16:09 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Apr07.210432.17193@watson.ibm.com> Dale English@watson.ibm.com writes:
> 
>      However, I did get a pair of in-lines for Christmas and have used them
> quite a bit.  My only problem is stopping quickly and reversing direction on
> a dime.  Most of the time when I in-line skate, I usually have a hockey stick
> in my hands.  I have also worked on technique as well, which has carried
> over nicely into ice skating.

I'd check out a book by called "Laura Stamm's Power Skating" ISBN 0-88911-331-6.
It describes various drills and techniques for hockey maneuvering with or
without stick.  Mostly ice, but the concepts transfer.

>      I did have the presence of mind NOT to try to hockey stop with in-lines.
> I have the strength and balance to do a spin stop, but if anyone can provide
> assistance for a "stop-on-a-dime-change-of-direction" move, I would
> appreciate it.

Please note that the hockey-stop is there with in-lines if your want to go
for it.  It just takes a much greater commitment to get the edges to cut
loose and skid on asphalt.  If you master it, you will stop QUICKLY!  Wear
protective gear!
 
-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
but no way officially representing:   domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
Commodore, Engineering Department     phone:  215-431-9349 (only by moonlite)
From: ae299@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jack L. Wallace)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Ice skating rinks
Date: 12 Apr 92 03:08:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr12.030819.356
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


There are probably some rinks open in your area in the summer, but
that would probably depend on how active the skating community is
there in NJ.  II know that our rink closes for a month in may for
maintenance, and when it opens again in June the figure skating club
has purchase almost all of the daytime ice.

Good luck,

Jack Wallace
-- 
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From: tflynn@infocenter.encore.com (Tonya Flynn)
Subject: Mikori Ito
Keywords: Quitting
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:28:47 GMT

Pardon me if this is old news or if it has already been discussed.

Yesterday's local newspaper had a brief, one paragraph, annnouncement
that Midro Ito has quit skating.  Although I don't have the newspaper
handy for accurate reference, I think the article indicated this was 
an announcement by her employer, some hotel outfit in Tokyo.
I got the impression she was dropping skating totally--not turning pro,
not a temporary thing, etc.

Does anyone really know what's going on with her.  Without the facts,
the speculation is infinite.  If this topic has been discussed, please
email, if it's truly news, please post.

What a shame---a truly talented and charming individual.  She will be
missed in her sport.

Tonya
                                           |
Tonya (I'd rather be Sailing) Flynn       /|\      6901 W. Sunrise Blvd.
(305/797-2446)                           / | \     Ft. Lauderdale, Fl 33313
"Let's just punch through that        ----------   UUCP:  uunet!gould!tflynn
sand bar"--Crew of Natty Dread          ------     INTERNET: tflynn@encore.com
From: rosen@radar.bu.edu (David B. Rosen)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: good price for "Classic"s?? [inline]
Date: 16 Apr 92 06:00:11 GMT
Organization: Boston University Dept. of Cognitive and Neural Systems
In-reply-to: U16028@uicvm.uic.edu's message of 25 Mar 92 23:49:10 GMT

In article <92085.174910U16028@uicvm.uic.edu> U16028@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

>I can get a brand new pair of Ultra-Wheels "Classic" model in-lines for
>$75.  Is this a good buy.  I'm a ultra-novice at in-lining.

I don't think thats such a bad price for this skate, but I saw a lower
price of $60 (*I think*, unless my memory is foggy) (plus shipping)
from Damark, a general mdse.  mail order house in Minnesota (call
1-800-555-1212 to find the phone number).

By the way, Consumer Reports (last Fall some time I believe) had a
short article testing a few inline skates.  Wasn't very helpful for
the better skates, but it might help you choose among the cheaper ones
like this.  I think the U-W Classic was one of the skates reviewed,
but I can't remember the results.
--
David B Rosen, Center for Adaptive Systems        Internet: rosen@cns.bu.edu
and Cognitive & Neural Sys. Dept.            (also rosen@mnhepc.hep.umn.edu)
Boston University.                      Bitnet/EARN: rosen%cns.bu.edu@buacca
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