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From: bak@fraser.sfu.ca (Jason Bak)
Subject: To Melbourne and Geelong
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:14:48 GMT



        If you're an Australian who lives in Melbourne or Geelong, I
wanna talk to you.  I'm a 19 year old Canadian from Vancouver who
lived in Ocean Grove (and all the surrounding cities and towns) from
September to December of last year.  I had a great time and wish every
now and then that I was back there (especially now that winter is
beginning here).  I've travelled quite a bit, I lived in Toronto and
travelled across Canada, visited LA, Hong Kong, Sydney and Fiji and
plan on travelling to Scotland and the rest of Europe and Africa in
the next few years.  Right now I'm back at university and bored
shitless (for today anyways).  So if you want to talk, write me.  
By the way I know a few people at Deakin, Latrobe and Melbourne
university so if you know me you'd better write me you bastards.


	Oh ya, if you live in any of the places that I've mentioned or
any of the places that I want to go to go to, write me.  I like
talking to different people.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: ekevik@media.uio.no (Oystein Ekevik)
Subject: Re: Words of "Solidarity Forever"
Followup-To: soc.culture.australian
Organization: Dept. of Media & Communication
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:13:26 GMT

In article <1emqq1INNjrb@agate.berkeley.edu>, nicholj@jaffna.berkeley.edu
(Nicholas James) wrote:
> 
>   Chorus: Solidarity forever,
> 	  Solidarity forever,
> 	  Solidarity forever,
> 	  And the union makes us strong!
> 
>   Does anyone (besides Bob Hawke) know the verses of this? 
> Please send them to nicholj@math.berkeley.edu or post them
> if you think others are interested.  I'd be glad to get
> other union songs too.
> 
> Thanks,
> Nick James
> member of (but not speaking for)
> Association of Graduate Student Employees
> District 65, United Auto Workers            ON STRIKE!
> 
> 		   
I am not that familiar with lyrics quoted, but tell us more about your
strike.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: mlb41199@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michele Talbot)
Subject: The Major Cities
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:39:59 GMT
Keywords: Sydney, Melbourne, Perth, etc.

I plan to study in Australia next year, and I would greatly appreciate anyone's input about the culture, weather, schools, or any other interesting aspect
of the Land of Oz.  I'm interested in the major cities:  Sydney, Melbourne,
Perth...  Possible schools:  Uni of Melbourne, Uni of New South Wales, or
Uni of Western Australia at Perth.  What do you think?  I would love to hear
from anyone...Aussie or not!  Thanks!!  :)

Michele
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Does MasterCard "work" in Australia?
From: ewartd@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:31:21 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.australian

In article <1992Nov18.140427.718@lut.ac.uk>, (Thomas Mc Neill) writes:
> In article <1992Nov18.132125.1@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au>,
> ewartd@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au wrote:
>> 
>> In article <1992Nov17.171651.23241@news.uit.no>, sveini@mack.uit.no (Svein-Ivar Lillehaug) writes:
>> > 
>> > Is it possible to "survive and get around" with a MasterCard in the
>> > areas around Sydney and Perth? Is the MC well accepted by shops, motels,
>> > restaurants, banks etc. in these areas? What about access to "money
>> > machines" with the MC?
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Thanks in advance,
>> > Svein-Ivar
>> > 
>> 
>> Not really, you would be much safer with VISA or travellers cheques.
> 
> Rubbish Mate! Mastercard is accepted wherever Visa is accepted. I've lived
> on my Mastercard in Australia for years. Its only outside Australia that
> I've had trouble.
> 
>> I have never used the money machines when travelling - the service
>> premium is too high.
> 
> Not as high as the percentages your paying on a travellers cheque.
> 
> I know I can use my Australain Mastercard in Cash machines all over the
> world so I imagine foreign ones work in Australia.
> 
> Tom Mc Neill
> Loughborough University
> Leics.,UK, LE11 3TU
> Email: T.Mcneill@lut.ac.uk

OK, I give in, please stop the hate mail.  Its OK for you to have faith in
MC - I don't - but I'll withdraw the comment on travellers cheques - there
I am clearly wrong.
Don

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: ghm@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au (Geoff Miller)
Subject: Re: Things to do in Hobart???
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:47:26 GMT

ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson) writes:

>(3)     Visit the Cat factory up the river by Cat. Huge startrek-
>	like hulks of polished steel, tatty tea with synth music entertainment.

Also visit Cadburys and enjoy the free samples :-)

>(4)	Doyles is probably too expensive for what you get these days, but its
>	still good seafood. Do they have two restaurants, one nicer?

Doyles?  Mures is the restaurant down on the wharf  -  they have three
restaurants in the building, including a sushi bar.  We ate at the
posh (upstairs) one twice, and I thought it was very good value, certainly
compared to Sydney or Canberra restaurants.

I'd also strongly recommend "Murphy's Select Eating House", out in 
Newtown  -  don't be put off by the name, the food is excellent.

Geoff Miller  (g-miller@adfa.oz.au)
Computer Centre, Australian Defence Force Academy

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From:  (Thomas Mc Neill)
Subject: Re: Things to do in Hobart???
Followup-To: soc.culture.australian
Organization: Loughborough Uni. Technology
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 13:58:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.140440.165163@dstos3.dsto.gov.au>,
sgl@aeg.dsto.gov.au (Simon Langsford) wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> I am probably going to be in Hobart for a week or so in 
> late December, and was wondering if people could offer
> suggestions/advice on 'things to do' while there

Wish you were home.

Tom Mc Neill
Loughborough University
Leics.,UK, LE11 3TU
Email: T.Mcneill@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: jstander@ml.csiro.au (Jeff Stander)
Subject: Re: Things to do in Hobart???
Reply-To: jstander@ml.csiro.au
Organization: CSIRO Marine Laboratories
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 07:50:15 GMT

Well,

I just moved to Hobart, it's a Saturday afternoon, and I'm fooling around with
the News.  

There's a great new restaurant on Salamanca to go to:  Panache.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: jpshaydn@nuscc.nus.sg (Hayden Lesbirel)
Subject: Internet access from Brisbane
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:42:56 GMT

Would anybody know if there is any reasonably cheap way for individuals to get
linked up with basic internet services (email, telnet and ftp) from Brisbane?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
-- 

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Internet (Preferred): jpshaydn@nuscc.nus.sg  Bitnet: jpshaydn@nusvm.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: marcus@iiasa.ac.at (Marcus SCHNELL)
Subject: Re: Computer Jobs?
Organization: International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:35:44 GMT

G. Coulter (g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk) wrote:
: My friend  is 24 and is thinking of moving to Australia  to get
: a  job in  the  computer  industry  particularly a  job  in the
: computer graphics field. He has an HND in Software Engineering
: and is near completion of a BSc(HONS) in Computer Science.
: 
: Can anyone tell me what the job situation is like in Australia
: is it going to be hard for my friend to get work, particularly
: in the field of computer graphics.

This should be a FAQ :-)

The job situation in Australia is VERY VERY BAD !!!!!!!!!
Maybe in Computer related fields a LITTLE better than average. but not much.
Currently unemployment is running at

					11.6% !!!

This is a labour government for you....


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From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: UK-=>Australia Power Supply
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:15:28 GMT
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

[ Where's the FAQ, Iain? ]

In article <1992Nov23.090237.13420@gserv1.dl.ac.uk>,
    g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk writes:

| (1) .. Can anyone tell me if Hi-Fi / computer equipment purchased
|        in the UK will work in Australia, And what is the native
|        power supply 240v?

240v, 50 Hz.  You'll need a different plug.  Also, be aware that electrical
equipment approved for use in one country is not necessarily approved for
use in another.

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dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
           Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?"
From: ajc@philabs.philips.com (Alec Cameron)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Does MasterCard "work" in Australia?
Keywords: PLUS NYCE Westpac Oz banks
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:41:13 GMT
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY

In article <1992Nov22.060145.7880@Princeton.EDU> sjackman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Simon D. Jackman) writes:
>Could someone please post some info on which US atm networks, e.g., PLUS,
>are available in Australia.  PLUS is rumoured to be available in Australia but I
>couldn't find it on my last visit back there (October 92)
>
>It is pretty wild to be travelling overseas and be able to pull local
>currency out of the wall from your regular chequing account etc at home.
>
>thanks and cheers -- simon

Having visited home (Sydney) in June, I took my PLUS card although the PLUS
booklet did not list any banks that I had heard of in Sydney whose
ATMs would take the card.  The good news is that the book is out of
date.  All ANZ bank ATMs take are on the PLUS system.  (There was also
another major bank, but I can't remember which.)  Certainly makes
international travelling easier.  They don't rip you off on the
exchange rates either, or charge transaction fees.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Things to do in Hobart???
From: sgl@aeg.dsto.gov.au (Simon Langsford)
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:04:39 CST
Reply-To: sgl@aeg.dsto.gov.au
Followup-To: soc.culture.australian
Distribution: world
Organization: Aeronautical Research Laboratory

Hi all

I am probably going to be in Hobart for a week or so in 
late December, and was wondering if people could offer
suggestions/advice on 'things to do' while there (inc prices,
times of day etc - times of day especially since my time
will be dominated by attendance at a conference). Things 
like Jet Boat Rides on the Derwent Rapids - how far is 
this from Hobart? - cruises of the Gordon River - and so
on. 

Thanks

Simon
Email : sgl@aeg.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Beware the push bikers
From: mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt)
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:42:17 +1300
Organization: Wellington, New Zealand

In article <1992Nov21.183630.20051@athena.mit.edu>, rcpolloc@athena.mit.edu (Robert C Pollock) writes:
> Everybody around Boston says Boston drivers are bad... but coming from
> NZ I think they're downright courteous.  At least to pedestrians.  I
> still have to get used to cars actually stopping to let you cross the
> road.  When I went to Otago Uni, cars would ACCELERATE.

Unlike Wellington drivers, which change lanes when they see a pedestrian 
crossing the other lane, to have a better go at them. One way streets are 
the best place for doing this.

> 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand,alt.alien.visitors
From: markmc@halcyon.com (Mark McWiggins)
Subject: NZ UFO reports in mainstream press, 1989?
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 02:27:27 GMT

An acquaintance mentioned something about a bizarre series of UFO
reports coming out of New Zealand in 1989, allegedly including guys
wearing "USAF" jumpsuits getting out of a crash-landed craft.

Does this ring a bell for anyone? If so, could you post a summary and/or
pointers to the relevant press accounts?

Thanks in advance.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: US Gun Lobbyist Visits
From: Ewan.Tempero@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Ewan Tempero)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:04:33 GMT
Reply-To: Ewan.Tempero@comp.vuw.ac.nz
 <1992Nov21.121800.1823@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> <1992Nov22.013405.6199@acme.gen.nz> <1992Nov22.194532.7613@nezsdc.icl.co.nz>
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.


Something that I don't think has been mentioned in this discussion is
exactly WHY the NRA nut...gentleman is in NZ. He's is here to help the
local chapter-I mean Shooters rights organization stamp out the
proposed legislation regarding firearms. On that part of the Frontline
piece last weekend about this topic that I watched (before turning off
in disgust) this NRA guy boasted that they have millions of dollars that,
if they wanted, they could give to the local organization to help them
out. (This is democracy in action folks). What really pissed me off was
the NZ guy making a comment along the lines of "this legislation will
effectively be a tax on the law-abiding gun owners". By his same arguement,
car and driver's licenses are the same thing! If he wants to ban all
such licenses then I definitely want a gun to defend myself from non-licensed
drivers on the roads!

I believe that the purpose of a license (or whatever you choose to call it) 
is to give society the opportunity to (a)judge the competence of the
person applying for it and (b) remind that person of their obligations
to society with specific regards to what they are asking for (whether
it be fishing out river, maiming someone with their car, or killing
someone with their gun). I have no problems with people owning guns
but I want to be assured that these people are stable and know what
they are letting themselves in for. I would trust my brother with
an assault rifle because I know him (and believe him stable) and
because he was in an Air Force shooting team and so (I think)
is competent. But I can't get to know everyone who wants to own a gun
so I have to rely on something like the license mechanism to do the
job for me.

There are those who say that it won't work, that there will always be
mistakes. (Yes, they are right. People get killed on the roads all the
time due to careless drivers.) However to simply abandon this mechanism
because it *occasionally* fails seems a little silly. I think it is
better to try to improve the procedure, as this current legislations is
an attempt to do. (If only I had a bit more faith that the government
would do it right :-(

[End diatribe]

--ewan

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Beware the push bikers
From: starman@crash.amigans.gen.nz (Robin Halligan)
Date: 21 Nov 92 16:03:43 PST
Organization: No organisation at all
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

bill@waikato.ac.nz wrote:
: 
: 
: All this conjecturing and waving of statistics about how bad New Zealand
: direvers is rather pointless. Until you show me a comprehensive study that
: compares road conditions, road densities, age of cars, etc. etc. between
: countries I'll just ignore anyone who quotes a single statistic. I've

Statistics can be represented any way you want
if you want to see how bad KIWI drivers are just sit and watch traffic flow
i have done that and it is almost allways the same.

one day the traffic was flowing at 60-70 Kmph in a 50 KM zone
then it started to rain and the traffic started flowing at 90-100 Kmph.
this is not an isolated case.

another day whilst traveling in my car in a string of cars 15-20 cars at 85-95
Kmph in 100 K zone and approching a blind corner (50 M) a car pulled out from
the back and tried to pass this car had about 6 kids (without seatbelts)
in it and it incounted another car coming round the corner he tried to pull
back in to the line of traffic but couldent the other car went off the road
to avoid a crash.

I have seen this type of thing hundreds of times.
New Zealand drivers are ignorant and seem to this macho thing about driving.
 
Note to non metric readers to convert from miles to Kilometers or Kilometers
to miles 

Kilometers to miles  devide by 8 mutiply by 5
miles to Kilometers  devide by 5 mutiply by 8


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From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Subject: Re: Kevlar vests to be made COMPULSORY for pedestrians in NZ
Organization: Massey University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 01:10:25 GMT

From article <1992Nov19.114354.15808@actrix.gen.nz>, by Mary.Curtin@bbs.actrix.gen.nz:
> In article <1992Nov18.171627.12286@waikato.ac.nz> hist1261@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> 
>> Hands up all those people who think they can walk down the street without
>> full body armour?  How many of you have ever tripped on a piece of concrete,
> 
> Hands up all those people who can walk down the street at 50 km/h.  Or
> even 40.  Or even 30.  Or even 20.  Or even 10.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>  \/\/\/\/   |  mary.curtin@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
> 

(Yes I'm back, this is fun :-))

People keep saying things like motorcycles are like bikes or surely car
driving is inherently dangerous etc. The point is SPEED and what goes wrong
due to it. When cars were slower there wern't so many accidents and no
seat belt law, ditto for crash helmets and motorcycles. (You must also
allow for the fact that over time people have probably become more careless
as well combined with societies apparent acceptance of this being OK.)
Bicycles go much the same speed now as they did years ago, typical speed
is probably around 16Km/h (10mph) - yes we have lighter bikes and faster
speeds, but not dramatic (even if Phil can hit 50Km/h with the wind behind
him :-)). Cycling hasn't become dangerous because of any changes to the
bikes or the way they are ridden, we are being asked to protect oursevles
from the dangers caused by OTHERS. This does not hold for crash helmets
and seat belts (which I wore long before they were compulsory in the UK).
This is the major change which this law is enforcing.

Just to add some more statistics to counter those who argue that protecting
pedestrians is not the same as the incidence is much lower. The last
time I heard the figures over 6000 people were killed or injured
WHILST ON THE PAVEMENT OR CROSSINGS in London UK per year. Now that is a
BIG number! So, despite the effect of the tourist trade surely every
pedestrian in London should be forced to wear a helmet!? After all taking
action to stop the "accidents" in the first place would annoy the road lobby!

(It good to see you Kiwi's having a go, whatever side you're arguing. One
thing I have noticed since I've been here is the lack of good investigative
news reporting and Kiwi's almost fatalistic acceptance of anything the
government does [excluding Winston Peters attempts :-)]. Keep it up!
And back those junior doctors! Stop bulk funding [if by chance it is a
good idea the government sure don't know and arn't doing it for that reason].

Sorry, I'm on a roll...)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle)
Subject: Re: Kevlar vests to be made COMPULSORY for pedestrians in NZ
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:04:52 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <58sis-b@massey.ac.nz> N.Perry@massey.ac.nz writes:
>On Friday it was announced that after an investigation into road
>safety that (a) a zero-alchol limit would not be imposed as it was
>unrealistic and (b) cyclists would be forced to wear helmets.
>
>Cycling is not an inherently dangerous activity (certain types might
>be, such as racing, but general cycling is not). As such people should
>not be forced to protect themselves, though if they wish to they may,
>as it violates a fundamental principle that people should be protected
>from injury by others (or from their own activities). NO OTHER section
>of society is forced to protect themselves from injury in this way.

Well, motorcyclists have to protect themselves in exactly the same
way. You may have noticed that someone passed some laws that enforces
the wearing of seat belts in cars too,

Personally I always wear a helment anyway so this law will not have
any effect on me.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Mistakes in scnz faq (unofficial)
From: wakelins@fri.cri.nz
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:23:16 +1300
Organization: New Zealand Forest Research Institute


There are two mistakes in the faq.

The first has been pointed out by several readers - namely, the fact that
Buzzy Bees are still being made (albeit in a factory outside Shanghai).

The second mistake is reprinted below:

  > '...and don't go to Dannevirke, you'll hate it'.

This should be capitalised.  

Steve W. (...L&t bli dra &t skagen Dannevirke, du jag skall inte tycka dem).