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From: dstuart@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Steve Vai? OK.  GET SOME SATRIANI, BUD.
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:08:06 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

In article <1993Jan26.192837.10586@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st923559@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
> I also agree that Satch is great.  I first heard the Extremist, copied it,
> went out and bought two other CDs, loved them, bought two more, and then
> finally bought Exteremist on CD.
> I also happent to like Yngwie.  That's just me, but who cares.
> As far as Van Halen goes, I love them and think that EVH is great.
> I unfortunatly have not heard much of Vai to give my opinion.
> I have never heard of him before, but one of my friends who listens to Hard
> Rock/Heavy Metal has told me that Eddie Johnson is good, but don't take my
> word because I have never heard him, or of him until my friend told me.
> 
Eric Johnson, not Eddie Johnson.....and he is incredible. The album to get
by him is called "AH VIA MUSICOM".  He won a grammy for that one.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Here's one for Suaron
Keywords: Deicide Satan Send me money 
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:46:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.022037.9274@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> rshvern@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (K-rAd d00D!) writes:
>I disagree with Philip Wang saying the vocalist of Deicide was a
>questionable poser.  Glenn Benton burned an unside down cross into
>his forehead and is looking for a doctor who can screw some metal
>symbol into his skull.  The cross was from when he was on an airplane
>and "felt too close to God." 

I didn't say Benton was a poser. I said there are people who think he is. I 
just think he's nuts, and anyway all that Satanic thing after a while gets
boring so I don't listen to Deicide at all. Heard them a few times and the
music just didn't interest me.

>
>RE: Slayer being posers
>I don't think any band that uses double bass and scorching solos and
>sings about politically incorrect topics(Pro-abortion, Satan, etc) is
>really a sell out band.

Here, I agree, as they basically took what Venom started and really, at the
time they were out on a limb doing that, and it was because to be different.
That's respectable. Again, some people think the last two Slayer albums were
a bit too commercial, but I actually disagree with that. I don't think Slayer
are posers either. 

Actually, I'm getting sick of this "who's poser, who's not" thread. The fact
that a band may well be poser doesn't really affect whether or not I like the
band's music, which is all I care about. I don't listen to the radio except
to get up in the morning or once in a long while to see if anything's new,
and I don't even watch MTV, nor do I read rock magazines anymore. My only
access to new metal are these metal usergroups. Since the only place where
posers can actually be seen are on MTV, in fanzines, and on the charts, and
since I don't care about music charts, posers don't really come in anywhere as
far as I'm concerned, even if the band does in fact like to be the center of
media attention. So, as entertaining as it was, let's kill the poser thread
and talk about something else. If you really have to talk about it, I'd prefer
to do it over e-mail, but even so, I'd rather not go through this again since
the topic's wearing a bit dry.

wei hao
Wei Hao Wang                            E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"Where would we be without the ability to let our minds wander? And where could
 we go if our emotions were submerged down under our souls? Their master
 control plan will fail as the young minds prevail in pure genetic wisom."
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: Belushi <affouj@rpi.edu>
Subject: METALLICA DIGEST - here's the address
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:31:15 GMT

Hey!  ANy Metallica fans out there ?  Well, in case you're not already on
the fastest growing digest around, here's the address to subscribe to the
Metallica weekly Digest:

mail subscription requests to : affouj@rpi.edu
with a subject like ADD ME

l8r..



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From: 5ea8manchest@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: ***HELP!!!***
Date: 25 Jan 1993 22:55:37 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5ea8manchest@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

In article <1993Jan25.081938.17955@csus.edu>, roy@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Rivet Head) writes:
>In article <4fMpwuW00iV305Z0t9@andrew.cmu.edu> Kuei-Che Cheng <kc3c+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>I am new to this group and I am very excited!!!
>>I need help in getting lyrics from a group that I truly admire, I thinks
>>they are one of the best HEAVY METAL group of all times. They are as
>>good as Black Sabbath. Bon Jovi and their recent album "Keep the Faith"
>>is a true classic.  I need the lyrics of "keep the faith".  
>>By the way does anyone know their tour dates?
>>
>>
>>Christopher C.
>>
>>John Bon Jovi RULES!!!!!
>
>
>I'm generally tolerant of people and their opinions, musical tastes,
>etc, but your comments seem very foolish and ignorant.
>
>You have a right to your opinions, but from your comments it's obvious
>that you don't really know what you're talking about.  I advise you to
>re-evaluate what heavy metal is before making such misguided comments
>about heavy metal and Black Sabbath again in the future.
>
>
>Note to others: I realize that this article might have been posted by
>someone else under this user's name as a prank.  But aside from this
>slight possibility, I think it's necessary to set this guy straight.
>
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                          /                 ___
>       -Roy J.           /   /   /\ \    / /    /\    Bastard sons begat your
>                        /_  /  /___\ \  / /__  /__\     cunting daughters,
> roy@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu   / / /      \ \/ /    / \     Promiscuous mothers with
>                        / /____       / /___ /   \      incestuous fathers.
>                       /             /
Read my next post. Eric M.
From: bruss@cs.ucsd.edu (Brian Russ)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Iron Maiden first album - "Phantom Of The Opera"
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:04:18 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <1993Jan25.162139.11234@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
)I've got a Japan print of the first Iron Maiden album (which means I don't
)have "Sanctuary" on it and had to get the "Sanctuary" EP separately), and
)anyway, did any of you notice that about ten seconds or so after "Phantom Of
)The Opera" ends ("You haunt me you taunt me you torture me back at your lair")
)Di'anno screams out "Torture me back at your lair!!" ? Is this also on the 
)cassette version, or did you all just fast forward it after the sung quoted
)part above all these years? Mine version is on disc, so I wonder if that 
)happened on the original vinyl as well.

	My original vinyl copy (British import) had this, and I believe
the first American (vinyl) versions of that album had it too ... kind
of wakes you up a bit, since there is a long enough gap so that you
"relax", thinking the song is over ...
-- 
Brian Russ
CSE Department, UC San Diego
bruss@beowulf.ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: lucasg@jec305.its.rpi.edu (Greg E. Lucas)
Subject: Re: Tipper Gore
Reply-To: lucasg@rpi.edu
Organization: Rennselaer Polytechnic Institute.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:56:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.135450.10660@bradford.ac.uk>, G.I.West@bradford.ac.uk (Graham West) writes:
|> Neil (Neil@swamp.demon.co.uk) wrote:
|> : Ingoring for the minute that "Tipper" is a UK slang term for a dump truck :)
|> 
|> : If it true what I hear that the new Vice first lady is a campaigner against
|> : metal bands because that put "subliminal messages" on their records?
|> 
|> :   Neil
|> 
|> Isn't she the head of the PMRC (the Parents Music Resource Committee), that
|> wonderful organisation that consists of middle-class fascists who want to ban
|> any kind of music that doesn't conform exactly to the values they deem correct?
|> 
|> 		Graham

Tipper Gore is the woman who heard her daughter listening to prince singing about masturbation so she decided to make a list of fifteen songs (the filthy fifteen) that should not be listened to by children because of references to sex/violence/the occult.  her method of doing this was by trying to remove these products from the shelves, luckily she quit once she got the Parental Advisory
: Explicit Lyrics sticker adopted by the RIAA.  I hated that woman, and I once actually had a confrontation with a store clerk who would not sell me a stickered album.

|> 
|> --
|> Graham West, University Of Bradford, UK   ....   g.i.west@bradford.ac.uk
|> "Red, crimson red, am I the invisible boy?" W.A.S.P. - The Crimson Idol
|> -- 
|> Graham West, University Of Bradford, UK   ....   g.i.west@bradford.ac.uk
|> "Red, crimson red, am I the invisible boy?" W.A.S.P. - The Crimson Idol
From: bui@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (BUI/DON/MR)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Good vs. Bad Mellower Music
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:33:29 GMT
Organization: EE Lab, McGill University EE Lab, Montreal

In article <00967310.114F9EA0@vms.csd.mu.edu> 5ea8manchest@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.192027.10440@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st923559@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

>Well, there is hope for you.  I personally agree that Queensryche, though
>I don't really like them, is worthy of respect due to their innovation,
>etc., and therefore should not be called commercialized crap.  With the
>possible exception of their first two albums, however, Van Halen is 
>rightfully blasted as being pop-metal crap; of course Eddie is talented,
>but is there any real emotion in their stuff (once again, VH I is
>tolerable. .. saw real hunger is present on that release).  

Bullshit.  Van Halen's cool.  Pop-metal crap?  Check out Fair Warning, 1984
or F.U.C.K.  These, and all the others, are good records which had plenty of 
"emotion" and "talent" and yet still managed to be a lot of fun and definitely 
was in the "metal" realm.  So they had some great melodies in there with all 
those killer riffs, that doesn't make them pop or crap.  Eddie is God.

>Def Leppard was tolerable with On Through the Night (different for its time) 
>and hanging in the "respectable" category with High 'N" Dry, but has been
>worthless since then (Pyromania--yech!!) 

Leave Def Lep alone.  They never claimed to be "metal" in the first place.
They do what they do and that's it, that's all.


							-Don
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (lucifuge)
Subject: Re: Poseur Bands
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:41:09 GMT

In <C1E6FE.7r1@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin) writes:

>its amazing how many morons out there dont recognize sarcasm

Truly unfuckingbelievable. 

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From: st923559@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Steve Vai? OK.  GET SOME SATRIANI, BUD.
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:28:37 GMT
Reply-To: st923559@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

I also agree that Satch is great.  I first heard the Extremist, copied it,
went out and bought two other CDs, loved them, bought two more, and then
finally bought Exteremist on CD.
I also happent to like Yngwie.  That's just me, but who cares.
As far as Van Halen goes, I love them and think that EVH is great.
I unfortunatly have not heard much of Vai to give my opinion.
I have never heard of him before, but one of my friends who listens to Hard
Rock/Heavy Metal has told me that Eddie Johnson is good, but don't take my
word because I have never heard him, or of him until my friend told me.

I remember now, I remember how it started, I can't remember yesterday, I just
remember doing what they told me... told me... told me.
	Michael Burstin		Brandeis University
From: terrylee@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Patricia M Currier)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: yngwie j. howeveruspellit
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:32:03 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <93020.203055TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu> <TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <cass8806.610.727571982@elan.rowan.edu>, cass8806@elan.rowan.edu
>(Kyle Cassidy) says:
>>
>>i was just over at a friends house and he was listening to a (blech) genesis
>>album (i think it was the lamb lies down on broadway) and there was this
>>guitar solo on there, and i'm like "hey! yngwie does that on one of his
>>albums!" but i can't remember which one, it's either rising force or
>>marching out. i think it's marching out. anybody know?
>>
>
>Look Genesis is not a fuckin' metal band.  Questions about anything
>Genesis does, even if the Great Glenn himself were to play with them
>does not belong here on this newsgroup.  (Though we all know the Great
>Glenn would not stoop to such a low).  Now clue up loser, that is if
>your mind can comprehend such a simple concept.
>


It may be just my imagination, but it sounds to me like the original poster
was asking what album YNGWIE did that guitar solo on.  Thats a perfectly
acceptable metal question.  As far as that goes, does anyone know?

-terrylee

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: ars1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sinn Santos)
Subject: Re: Poseur Bands
Reply-To: ars1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Sinn Santos)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:42:34 GMT

Eric Scott Jefferson's article was perhaps the most brilliant piece of writing
I have ever seen in my entire life.  Mr. Jefferson's use of misspelling proves
him to be a satirist of visionary status, and his ability to come up with
Socratic bad logic, and _then_ back up later arguments with the same lame,
aborted rhetoric made me weep copious tears and clutch myself, thanking God
for the genius that is Eric Scott Jefferson.

Perhaps the most poignant witticism in the entire article was his diatribe
against Helmet:

>Helmet
>	Page Hamilton said in Guitar World that he considers death metal bands
>to be stupid since all they do is sing about babies being chopped to
>bits. This is sacrilege anyone knows that babies being chopped to bits
>is very intelligent. Also Page Hamilton likes Aerosmith thus this band
>should also not be listened to.

The line about the obvious intelligence of chopping babies made me whoop
out loud.  

(The racist comments about black people's inability to create music was a
nice touch too.)

[To think, I almost went to Carnegie Mellon.  This is worst than Penn!]

  OOOOO  OO  OOOO   OOOO     sinn santos, computer music, columbia university.
 /OO/// /OO /OO//O /OO//O     "They can take the record, and they can SHOVE
 //  OO /OO /OO /O /OO /O     IT RIGHT DOWN THEIR THROATS!"   "Money talks,
  OOOOO /OO /OO /O /OO /O      and bullshit walks..."  "Every song's a hit!"
From: 5ea8manchest@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: knock off the flame wars
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:42:08 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5ea8manchest@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu

In article <1k8vn6INN30u@lynx.unm.edu>, pdaugher@mcl.bdm.com (Pat Daugherty) writes:
>It doesn't matter what newsgroup that you read, there is always
>going to be posts that have absolutely nothing to deal with the
>subject matter. This is no excuse to start a flame war in which
>no postings about metal are posted. So lets just knock off the flame
>wars and write about metal. If you don't like the subject of a post
>don't read it. If you feel like flaming flame the writer but stop
>wasting bandwidth and lets start posting about metal.
>
>Do you all notice that everything was fine until that suaron came
>back and started the flame war. Up until he came back there was only
>posts about metal. Now there is only flames. So if you want to flame
>flame him and flame him good.
>
>POST ONLY ABOUT METAL!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>--
>*	pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com                     *
>*	PAT DAUGHERTY   REDSKINS, wait till next year      *
>*	"Hey Man I Am Cool, I Am The Breeze"               *
Good advice.
Organization: Senior, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: harley@bu-ast.bu.edu (Harley Erickson)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: FOR SALE: Electric Guitar - Flying V
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:29:34 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: harley@bu-ast.bu.edu


    
     Must Sell - Cheap!!

     FOR SALE:  Dean baby FLYING V Electric Guitar

          - 2 pickups, vintage humbucker in bridge position and EMG
            Select single coil in neck position. Guitar is set
            up so both operate simultaneously.

          - non-tremelo bridge consisting of partial Kahler
            tremelo that can be converted easily back to 
            tremelo.
          
          - in great condition, with new V gig bag
          - satin finish neck with rosewood fingerboard
          - has white original paint headstock, but body
            is plain wood   
            or you can   paint/decorate it as you wish!)
          - Thick tube-like sound. Great for heavy music
               or grunge.
          - a little smaller than a full-size V

                 $150   Please e-mail harley@bu-ast.bu.edu
                        if interested.

  Harley Erickson


Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen)
Subject: Re: Earache Sabbath Tribute
Organization: Finnish University and Research Network (FUNET)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 21:16:20 GMT

In <C17tKH.HDL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bhf35669@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brody H. Finney) writes:

>Just a question...Earache just released a Black Sabbath tribute disc featuring
>10 bands (Catherdal, OLD, Cadaver, Godflesh, Pitch Shifter, Scorn, Sleep, 
>Confessor,and a couple of others) doing 11 Sabbath covers (Cathedral has two).
>I was wondering if this has been released in Europe, as the one I bought was
>a Japanese import, and more expevsive than what European imports usually are.
>I was just wondering if the money grubbing record store leeches had screwed me
>needlessly again.

I don't (yet) know if this has been released here in Europe, but since
you have it already, could you please tell us the track listing.. I.e.
if there are any Dio Sabbath covers, I'd like to hear them...

-- 
Tapio Keihanen - tapio@nic.funet.fi \ / "Never look back, never turn!"
                - k135528@cc.tut.fi / \        -Ronnie James Dio, 1981
Organization: Senior, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:39:19 -0500 
From: Eric Scott Jefferson <ej0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Poseur Bands
	<C1DzDo.IDG@ms.uky.edu>

>Ya know, this kinda leads me to believe you've never listened to them. I think
>it takes me longer to type out "Diamonds and Rust" than it did for them to 
>play it. If you were to look on the cover (back side, bottom right corner if 
>you can't find it without some help) it says something to the effect of:
>"Diamonds and Rust (:02)". This means that the song is 2 seconds long. They
>say (and I quote) "Diamonds and Rust." One guitar note, and one
drumroll. That's
>it. Helluva cover tune, eh?

I have the tape Speak English or Die and it says "Diamonds and
Rust:extended version" and it actually does go on for a while. I assume
that this is the Joan Baez song that Judas Priest also covered.


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much to me as long as it's dead
I got something to say. I raped your mother today and it doesn't matter
much to me as long as she spread" -- The Misfits
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:12:11 EST
From: <TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Fat People and Their Tattoes

The following is a public service announcement from Suaron concerning
the dreaded problem of fat people, their tattoes annd metal concerts.
This article was posted awhile ago...

It seems that more and more those disqusting blobs of overwieght masses
of lard tattoo themselves to cover malignant growths sprouting from their
bodies.  These rotund deformed beings (who mistake their food stores
for muscles) proceed to infiltrate metal concerts like a swarm of locusts.
Realizing that no clothes manufactured properly cover their billowing
mounds of flesh they utilize this aspect of their nature to display tattoes.

With little use in life except as a door, they are always hired by some
concert hall establishment to be a bouncer (term used lightly).
It is until some brainless being comments on a tattoo or a part of a
not concealed by flesh or clothing that one must worry.  Afterwords
they proceed to reveal all the other tattoes adorning they bodies in
some twisted strip tease of blubber.

So if you are a fat tattoed door in use at a metal concert and someone
comments about your tattoo.  Do not proceed in your strip tease of flesh,
unvieling your link encrusted belly-buttons and overwieght mammary glands
in which you placed your cheesy tattoes.  Cause no one cares!  And don't
reproduce either, so you don't have children that must suffer the same
pathetic fate!!!

And if you are a metal head or just anyone with a brain, do not make
any comment about a fat person's tatoo unless blubber turns you on.
Even if it does turn you on think of all the other innocent bystanders
that must suffer through this grotesque strip tease!

--the mocking religion of hatred that burns in the night
Suaron

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: caladan@maths.tcd.ie (Edmund Breslin)
Subject: Iron Maiden
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:44:59 GMT

	I would just like to say in response to the people who say that
Maiden are a sellout band that they don't claim to be anything they're not.
It seems that if a rock band gets a gold album they automatically must have
sold out. They are also primarily a live band so criticism of thier studio
albums can be understood but I defy anybody to go see them live and be
dissappointed.
	Another point is that many of the metal fans I know who are into
death and thrash got their first introduction to hard rock through the likes
of Maiden.
	I have to say I'm not an enormous fan of the last two albums, I
by far and away prefer the earlier stuff but if kept playing Innocent Exile
and The Prisoner for the next 10 years wouldn't that be more of a sellout?
	I think it's too easy to knock a decent band like Maiden just on the
grounds that they're successful and write commercially marketable songs but 
don't forget it wasn't so long ago they were banned from most stations
because of the Number of the Beast album - I think that includes MTV.
	At the end of the day it all comes down to taste - if ya don't like
it, don't buy it.

-Eddie


Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal