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From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*
Keywords: sfb
Date: 12 Jan 93 04:20:08 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1993Jan12.032059.10582@cbnewse.cb.att.com> ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
>In article <1ilrv2INNekc@shelley.u.washington.edu> waveland@carson.u.washington.edu (Eric Holeman) writes:
>>>(yes there are still some racist assholes out
>>>there that hate jews, but face it: the jews have made it. they control the
>>>media/government)
>>
>>First, if "the jews" control the media, then why is it Xmas specials 
>>that are replayed ad nauseum during December?  And if "the jews"
>>control the government, why are there no more than a handful of Jewish 
>>congresstypes and, as yet, no Jewish president?  
>>
>i'm certainly not going to say that jews are "in control" but i think its
>a bit disingenuous for you to gainsay that jews don't have disproportionate
>influence in this country.  for instance, why does the united states send
>$3billion in aid to israel every year; more than any other country?  why

Well, many thanks to Arthur Hu and Ronald Davis for following up to my
defense. I guess it's my turn now..

First of all, I agree that it was very un-PC (new word!) of me to claim
that the jews "control" the media/government, but they certainly are having
it a lot better than the other minority groups (even some majority groups)..
Consider this:
On Christmas Day (12/25/92) I was watching the local NBC station (WGRZ) and
they gave special "Happy Hannikah" messages.. On Christmas Day?? I'd say
that's quite a bit of influence.
Here in SUNY Buffalo, I believe many jewish holidays are observed by the
entire school (not 100% positive, but I think that's the case)
As far as I know, most (if not all) of the schools with a large Asian student
body do not obserev the Spring Festival/Chinese New Year..

But the other thing I wanted to mention was that, like Clare Chu said, I wans't
COMPLAINING, I was simply impressed by the influence of the jews.. Considering
how hard they had it a century ago, I can only hope the Asian Americans (and
others) can follow their example..

Ning Wang
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: What does Malcolm X mean to you
Date: 6 Jan 1993 09:47:12 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
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In article <1993Jan6.070606.26383@midway.uchicago.edu>,
thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>In article <1id8hpINNc9j@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>>America lost its moorings when the first white settlers came on
>>shore, dear.  Please get straight about that. God was supposedly on
>>their side when they were wresting the country away from the red
>>people who lived in harmony with the land and with others.
>
>Don't overromanticize.  The Aztecs were amongst the bloodiest peoples
>ever to walk the earth.  Two years before they ever saw a Spanish face,
>there was a mass human sacrifice of captives of war, enough people
>waiting on line to be executed by a high priest that the line stretched
>for two miles.
.
.
Give me a break.  So Western Civilization saved these people?  This
was a religious ceremony.  They believed blood kept them in harmony
with the Universe. You want me to talk about Christ? the burnt
offerings of the Israelites? human sacrifice in the ancient European
tradition?
.
Whereas the white guys shelled out 60 million souls in Africa for
the slave trade and consigned almost that amount of Natives to
oblivion in the Americas.
.
Then again, the Native Americans didn't use race as a criterion for
killing...or would you care to document this one, too?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: anjyii@athena.mit.edu (anjyii)
Subject: Re: The Simpsons and what you should know.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:04:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.225717.16599@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, dem2@pyuxd.uucp (Me) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan5.203011.20899@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> 
|> glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu writes:
|> >[stuff deleted]
|> >Now, I ask the question again, are the Simpsons really just a cartoon, or do
|> >the Simpsons describe something much greater?
|> 
|> IMHO, the Simpson's are a reflection of *American culture* -- take that
|> for what it's worth in deciding if the cartoon has a "hidden agenda".
|> 
|> I did hear reports/rumors a few years back that the characters 
|> were supposed to be Black, but FOX wouldn't allow it for fear of 
|> attacks from the NAACP (they felt Bart's poor attitude would be
|> [mis]interpreted as a statement about the behavior of Black male children).
|> 
|> 	Darryle


I always heard that it was "Married...With Children" that originally had black
characters.

...anyway...

Angela Batiste
anjyii@Athena.MIT.EDU
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From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Dizzy Gillespie has passed
Date: 8 Jan 1993 04:19:07 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In article <BETSYS.93Jan7154419@ra.cs.umb.edu> betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:
>The Boston Globe enclosed side-by-side pictures of both artists under
>the heading "Performing Arts Lose Two Giants" with separate headings
>under each picture. "Gillespie, Pioneer of Jazz, dies at 75" and "Nureyev,
>Electrifier of Ballet, dead at 54."  Nicely done. 

Ditto the L.A. Times. Gillespie above, Nureyev below. Both got identical
amounts of page 1. Both got ENTIRE pages inside section 1. 

Both got appreciation articles from the respective art and jazz
critics in the Calendar section. 

So much for alleged media bias - at least insofar as the L.A. Times is 
concerned.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks)
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:09:58 GMT

>First, spell Black Correctly,

I do.

>not Blak and why do you use the term Black
>instead of African-American,

I use both as appropriate.

>why Caucasian and not whit?

What race of people is whit?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: dem2@pyuxd.uucp (Me)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 22:43:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.155419.25716@csus.edu>
chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:

[intro to story about being lectured by a Black woman for dating
a white woman deleted]

>I refused to back down about my girlfriend (new girlfriend at that),
>and we ended up in an argument about whether or not I am an Oreo.
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[over-generalizations about the character of Black women deleted]

>    I don't make fun of your funny African clothes or
			      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>    hairdos, or your long nails or whatever. 

The juxtaposition of these two underlined phrases says it all.
A person that was truly "100% Black", as you claim to be, would
find nothing "funny" about African clothes. IMHO there is no
argument -- the symptoms point to a chronic case of "oreoism".

There's nothing wrong with inter-racial dating per se, but there
is something very wrong when someone excludes members of his/her
own race because of some imaginary/overgeneralized shortcomings.
Its called self-hatred. 

	Darryle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: An Exercise for Chaney (was Re: ...prefer non-blak women)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 14:19:00 EST
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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In article <C0pB6p.149@athena.cs.uga.edu> Terrance Heath,
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.204749.2231@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dem2@pyuxd.uucp
(Me) writes:
>
>[other stuff deleted]
>
>>3) Even though I share the opinion that you need to "check yo' head"
>>with respect to Black women, I also believe many will share my sentiments
>>when I paraphrase the words of Nana Peazant from the film _Daughters of 
>>the Dust_ (a film *you* definitely need to watch again and again): 
>>"[We] love you because you're [ours]." You're just not going to find that
>>kind of love from the family of a white girlfriend, but perhaps that
>>doesn't bother you. Certainly, the "us two against the world" mentality 
>>works for some couples.
>
	.
	.
	.
>	I will say that I've dated a few white guys, and I've found
>that there is a cultural difference that becomes more evident at the
>relationship goes on. It doesn't make it more difficult, but seems to
>require a lot of patience instead, to teach my partner that in some
>ways we really are different, but we can love each other for that as
>well.
>	In the end, I'm not so sure that race makes it a "different"
>kind of love.  Perhaps there is the advantage of a shared cultural
>history and understanding (but then again, perhaps not), as well as
>the advantage of not having to deal with the added social hassles
>faced by interacial couples.  However, I'm not completely convinced
>that it is a deep down different, or lesser, experience to love
>someone of another race

Either would I.  In fact, I would assert that if what you feel for a particular
person is _love_, then there is no difference in that feeling based on race.
When people try to say that the "love just isn't the same" in interracial
relationships, I think that they are just not willing to let themselves love
the other the same.  

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: The Simpsons and what you should know.
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:17:40 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <1993Jan7.144411.4070@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> by glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu:

> In article <1993Jan6.173713.15384@osf.org> kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
> writes:
> >
> >Have you met H. Ross Perot? He's full of conspiracy theories too. Y'all'd hit
> >it off great.
> >
> >	-Kenny
> >
> >ps.- Marge's hair is blue (as in "the Blues") to recognize the struggle of
> >women everywhere having a "bad hair day". Pass it on.
> 
> So I guess you can take everything in this world of face value. I guess you can
> also say racism doesn't exists. I guess you can also say you're a fool.
> 
He COULD say that racism doesn't exist.  He HASN'T, but he certainly COULD. 
He would be making as much sense as the author of that "theory" too.  He could
also say he was a fool... however it would be more accurate to ascribe that 
quality to most conspiracy junkies....

> >	  Religion: The longest-running gag ever played on Mankind.
> >
> By your tagline, I realize you have no faith in anything, that's why you see
> nothing!!
> 
I don't know about him, but I have TOTAL faith in the stupidity of a certain
percentage of mankind.  This stupidity frequently manifests itself in 
irrational, paranoid fear of "conspiracies".....


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From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Because *someone* had to type it in:  MJ and an ad
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:13:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <ISBELL.93Jan4215027@pop-tarts.ai.mit.edu> isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
>
>"White Boy Plays Jackson In Cola Ad, Paper Reports"
>
>Pop singer Michael Jackson chose a White boy over a Black one to
>portray him as a youngster in an upcoming Pepsi commercial, the New
>York Post reported Thursday.
>After months of auditions, the producers, with Jackson's approval,
>selected a young Black boy to play him.  "Michael then... decided he
>wanted to cast a white boy who'd tried out," the Post said, quoting an
>unidentified source.  The boy was fitted with an Afro wig and his skin
>was darkened slightly through video colorization.

This is pitiful and is atleast as pathetic as the music Mr. Jackson has
come to play since he stopped being a blackman. Obviously there is a con
flict between what he is (was) and what he would like to be.

This man made clear his disdain for blackness and blackmen a long time ago.
This seems to run very deep in his family and is evident from the no incons
picous efforts its memebers have made to whiten themselves.

>Pepsico Inc spokeswoman Tara Carraro said she didn't know whether the
>actor in the commerical was white.  She said the commercial would be
>shown only in foreign countries.
>                                   -/--\-

What utter nonsense. I really jope that it will come nowhere near Africa.
Afterall there so many musicians on the continent who exceed Mr. Jackson
all meritworthy artistic qualities. These are better dserve either the
crown wrongly bestowed to him by individuals in Ivory coast or the mantle
of King Pop that he accorded to himself....

makala
 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Subject: Re: East St. Louis/Belleville
Reply-To: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Organization: Teknekron Software Systems. Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:46:04 GMT

In article <1isf1pINN8q6@morrow.stanford.edu>, HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:

|> I thought East Palo Alto was now numbah one by the new rating.

I thought so, too.  This whole business about being singled out on account
of race sweeps two ways, though.  Speaking of East Palo Alto, I was stopped
there by the police about four years ago because I was a white person who
looked like I was out of place.  The only reason a white guy in a nice car would
be driving down some residential streets in E PA is to buy crack, right?  Wrong!
I was going to look at a car that had been advertised for sale.  Yes, I
was driving slowly because I was looking for an address.  No, I wasn't breaking
any law.  When the cop pulled me over, I asked him what the problem was.
He said "the only reason a white guy cruises in this neighborhood is for
drugs or pussy".  I told him I didn't have a problem with either of those.
I finally did tell him why I was there, but I resented having to do so.
This was a two-cop team - one black, and one white.  I was singled out
because I fit a "profile" of being the wrong race in the wrong place.

Now, I don't say this to minimize how wrong it is for the police in 
lily white communities to pick out black people to harrass.  Nor would I
imply that it happens as often to whites.  What I am pointing out is the
fact that the cops do believe they are justified in picking out people
who look out of place - rightly or wrongly, this is their motivation.  I
don't think they are motivated by hatred.  I believe they have a hard
enough time keeping the lid from exploding off the crime situation and
they feel like they need the lattitude to check people out.  Unfortunately,
it ends up as injustice to innocent people and that is wrong too.  

I'd love to hear real concrete suggestions about what the police are supposed
to do to stop the drug dealing on street corners, the drive-by shooting, 
the gang warfare, the burglaries, etc. etc.  There needs to be alternatives
to what they do now, which is wrong.

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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women: (OH PLEEZ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:02:29 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1993Jan7.092248.4917@memstvx1.memst.edu> mcsnewton@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>Gabrielle so eloquently writes...(with some deleted)
>
>> Most of the time, we dress our hair and bodies for ourselves.
>
>You got THAT one right, sista!!

A-MAZ-ing how few men realize that . . . 

>> I found it interesting that the Black Muslim women in the "X" movie
>> did have their hair "done" under those veils.
>
>I thought I was the only person who noticed that! :-)
>> .
>> Subconsciously, I admit, I may want to look like a white woman.  But
>> most of the time, I like what I see, when it is my choice to be
>> either straight (permed) or kinked (nappy girl hair!)

Well, Jesus.  The only standards for beauty we ever frigging see in the
media are Barbie dolls with nonexistent noses and limp hair.  `S kind of
hard to have a good body image if what's supposed to be beautiful is
what you AREN'T.  This goes for big-nosed dagos a little, too. 

>The first sentence...I don't know, but the rest I'm in TOTAL agreement!
>
> It's easy for
>> me to care for it than the bush I used to wear.  I'm simply not not
>> going through trips and changes over whether my hair is PC enuff for
>> the brothers and sisters. 
>
>You got that right!!

Wear what you fucking want and screw what anyone else thinks.  That's
the only way we're going to know ourselves. 

Regards,
Janis C.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:42:52 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <C0HxE5.JFJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
(kauta) writes:

>A wondeful posting, yes....but I am afraid Kiggundu might be waisting his
>efforts on a bullshitter who may not even be blak. Remember Phillip Stromer
>bursted in claiming his wife was blak..???
>kauta.
It's Black and not blak, ok?


                        Chad J Glover
           glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu      
       Drexel University Software Testing Lab
   If a man hasn't found something he will die for, he
                        isn't fit to live. --MLK
From: wrightb@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: GET A GRIP (WAS Why we gor for non-black women)
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:10:45 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Lend me your ear for a minute "BROTHA" you got on the net whining about
"SISTAS" aint none of that just because you got teased, dissed and 
altogether dismissed by one that didn't didn't share your interests.
You need to get a grip on reality. Whoever told you that all women
would take an interest in what you like bullshitted you. So, some
little wench fucked around with your head and your heart. BIG FUCKING
DEAL. You say you're not a PUNK, but what's this PUNK SHIT you talking?
All sistas aint shit because you got your feelings stepped on. Get a
clue, all white girls aren't nice either. They're just like any other
women on the planet. You say you're not punk but your whole conversation
says other wise. Only a punk gives up because he cut it when the going 
got tough. Your answer diss all black woman (yeah tha's the ticket)
you sound real silly. The reason why you didn't get a response from 
the and I quote you "REBEL SISTAS" is they feel sorry for you. I showed
this to a "REBEL SISTA" I  know and she fell out laughing. You're a 
serious joke to them. You've got a problem and the only way to solve it
is to get some serious psychological help.

END OF STORY


STORM

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution:  world
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:14:05 GMT

In article <C08oxD.yC@NCoast.ORG> cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) attempts to make peace (and does a damned good job): 


I looked for a comment or attack to bash, but honestly, I've got to
say, this is an extremely logical, tolerant and balanced response.

I only wish people were like that in general, in the first place, so
that I wouldn't feel the need to attack the african-american "racial
purity" movement to get at my enemies. 

Now, I expect to see a black woman voice her opinions on those
sleazebags that give black men a bad image and who help bring about
this problem in the first place...  


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From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:18:00 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <1993Jan10.223227.5303@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:
>Anyways, you'd think that with all these posts
>someone could point out the mythical AA program which isn't biased
>against Caucasians, the mythical Caucasians-only scholarship, or the
>Society of Caucasian Engineers as part of the lame attempt to justify
>the existence of AA, Blak-only scholarships, Blak professional organizations,
>etc., etc., etc.

Yes, it is biased against Caucasians, but Caucasians are the majority "in
America" and have for a long time and a long time to come have been biased
against African-Americans. That's the facts. Stop the biases against us and
we'll stop the biases against you.

                        Chad J Glover
           glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu      
       Drexel University Software Testing Lab
   If a man hasn't found something he will die for, he
                        isn't fit to live. --MLK
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:50:06 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation

In article <1993Jan11.164859.3483@csus.edu>
chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:

>Who said anything about sticking one's genitals anywhere?

....that should be implied! If this ain't the case, Black sistas or White
women, we should go back to square one- now I know where all the hostility
is coming from! :-)

	-Kenny

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