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From: peercy@crhc.uiuc.edu (Mike Peercy)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.usa.constitution
Subject: Re: Democracy or Republic ?
Date: 9 Nov 1992 02:46:00 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: cairo.crhc.uiuc.edu

byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd) writes:

| Do we in the United States have a democracy or a republic?

A republic.  The citizenry votes for people who write and administer
the laws.

| I think this idea was carried over into the congress.  Does a
| representative represent?  Or does he/she/it vote their concience?
| You would think the founders intended them to represent, as reflected
| by the title they gave them.  

I agree.  However, not a single one of the 535 congresspeople
represents me--that is, votes as I would vote.  So as far as I'm
concerned, they are either a pack of liars, or they vote their
own consciences and there's not a thing I can do about it.

| Marc J. Byrd - byrd@rice.edu       |  United We Stand. 
| Rice University                    |  Whether or not you accept it, you are 
| Dept of Elec & Comp Engr           |  responsible for the actions and 
| XUV Holographic Microscope Project |  inactions of your government. 

How can you possibly believe the statement in your sig?  There
isn't a single person in Congress who represents me, yet I am
responsible for their actions?

You must be using Oxford's definition 3a for 'responsible':

  3 a Answerable, accountable (to another for something); liable to be
      called to account.

So I'm responsible for the government much same way I'd be responsible
for a homocidal maniac who broke into my house.  If he chose "to call
me to account" by shooting me in the head, I'd be "responsible."

Mike Peercy
peercy@chrc.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: wstuartj@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (W Stuart Jones)
Subject: Re: Internet and the Prez
Keywords: Let's ask!
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date:  7 Nov 92 16:23:08 GMT

mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:

---LOTS CUT OUT---
>I would like to see something like the following, for example:

>us.gov.announce.appts	- Appointments by the Pres, etc.
>us.gov.announce.senate	- Bills currently on the Senate Floor
>us.gov.announce.house	- Bills currently on the House Floor
>us.gov.votes.senate	- Voting records for the Senate
>us.gov.votes.house	- Same, for the House
>us.gov.bills.pres	- Bills passed, and on the President's desk
>us.gov.bills.status	- Same, but what he has signed/vetoed
>us.gov.questions	- Questions from John Doe about bills
>us.gov.answers		- Digest of answers to questions
>us.gov.concerns		- Opinions about bills, general concerns
>us.gov.replies		- Digest of answers to concerns
---MORE CUT OUT---
>What do you all think?

>-- Mike

>-----------------------------------------------------------------


I totally agree!

Wesley Stuart Jones
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: bill@cognet.ucla.edu (William M. Eldridge)
Subject: Re: EDS Personel Policies
Organization: UCLA Cognitive Science Research Program
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:34:14 GMT

cjk@nic.cerf.net writes:

>In article <2AFDF78F.23670@news.service.uci.edu> stieglit@orion.oac.uci.edu (Jeff Stieglitz) writes:
>>I've heard that EDS has quite a personel policy handbook which governs 
>>employee behavior and dress.
>>
>So does IBM, DEC, ATT, HP, SLB, ML.  In fact a personel policy
>is just about standard issue with any company you work for.  And
>they generly reflect the character and attitude of the

Please...personnel.  Look it up.
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE)
Subject: ********
Originator: jjprice@c00090-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:15:08 GMT


I would like to subscribe to any new(splinter) groups that come
from the current one. I am a freshman at NCSU and I haven't been using
the nets for more than a month and so I am relatively confused when
you post all these long names and complicated instructions. I would
appreciate if some one would E-mail me some *plain talk* about these
new groups and info on subscribing to any group about a new party.


Gracias mis amigos

-Jeff Price

Picard/Riker '92  Now there's a ticket
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.usa.constitution
From: ar12@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard Nixon)
Subject: ***DISTRIBUTION LIST FOR ARTICLES ABOUT U.S. FOREIGN TRADE PROBLEM, FOREIGN AGENTS AND THE NATIONAL DEBT....NOW TAKING SUBSCRIBERS (FREE)***
Reply-To: ar12@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:32:02 GMT

DISTRIBUTION LIST FOR ARTICLES ABOUT US FOREIGN TRADE PROBLEM, FOREIGN
AGENTS AND THE NATIONAL DEBT....NOW TAKING NAMES.
 
This is a note to inform all of you about a distribution list we run 
which distributes about once a month, articles about the U.S. trade, 
political and debt situation. This newsgroup may not be around much 
longer, so we're doing our best to set up a distribution list now 
before we all lose contact with each other. If ever you wish to be
removed from the list, I would delete you immediately.
 
Recently you may have seen some articles on this group
(one about Japanese trade policy (JAPANYES), and other was a list
of 'foriegn agents' who are high level government people who sell 
you out to foreign companies for bribes and 'fees'. 
 
These articles are usually not available via other media which is why
we run this list.
 
These files were first sent down our receiver list before they were posted 
generally. (These files (the Japan ones) are currently at anonymous FTP 
site monu6.cc.monash.edu.au   in    pub/nihongo    
(read the INDEX file in that directory for details)).
 
In the future, we won't be posting these as often, but rather sending
them down the distribution list. If you would like to be on the
distribution list for these articles (one every month or so), please
send me a note and I will add you. 
 
 
Andre,
 
ar12@quads.uchicago.edu


Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: elster@cs.cornell.edu (Anne C. Elster)
Subject: Re: STATUS UPDATE/United We Stand/Perot '92
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:19:58 GMT

In article <Nov.6.12.54.42.1992.28734@gandalf.rutgers.edu> cermak@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rob Cermak) writes:
>Perot & Swindle are currently with the Legal Department to register
>the UNITED WE STAND organization as a self-supporting organization.
>...
>They are going to regroup in another location and will not
>have a permanant mailing address until 6+ weeks from now.
>...
>CALL 1-800-685-7777 and put your name on the list!  They will
>send a newsletter when one becomes available.   All the local
>co-ordinators should call and put your address in to stay in
>contact.
>

I just tried the above number and got a friedly volunteer with a male Texas
accent on the phone. He eccoed the above and asked if I'd be interested
in volunteering for the organization. He said that Perot and Swindle
were working with lawyers to form a self-supporting organization that
would lobby the USWA platform.

Once they've found a permanent home, I'll forward my suggestion about
the Federal Governement providing STIS service a la the NSF (*).

			THE SAGA CONTINUES! :-)

						Anne
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School of Electrical Engineering   |  (607) 272-2986 [home/answ.mach]
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(*) For those who had problems getting the stis.info file via ftp, try:

% ftp ftp.cs.cornell.edu
Connected to RAMSES.CS.CORNELL.EDU.
220 ramses.cs.cornell.edu FTP server (Version 5.76 Wed Jun 12 13:44:32 EDT 1991)
 ready.
Name (ftp.cs.cornell.edu:elster): anonymous
331 Guest login ok, please send your usual login name as password.
Password:
230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply.
ftp> cd pub/elster/perot
250 CWD command successful.
ftp> get stis.info
200 PORT command successful.
150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for stis.info (2986 bytes).
226 Transfer complete.
local: stis.info remote: stis.info
ftp> quit
221 Goodbye.
%

					Good luck!


Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush
From: pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness)
Subject: Re: FROM PEROT VOTER -- CONGRATULATIONS BILL
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin TX
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 17:35:35 GMT

In article <Bx88H9.5nw@xcluud.sccsi.com> gtolar@xcluud.sccsi.com (Glynne Tolar) writes:
>The only good I see in Clinton winning is that 4 years from now you could not
>vote a democrat in for garbage collector!

I wish that were so , BUT ...

1. Clinton will have the most biased (in his favor) press since Kennedy,
thanks to the profusion of Liberal boomer journalists.

2. The Dems will ensure continued incumbency by passing many
"campaign reform" laws that will feed more taxpayer money to
the "soak the rich, fool the people" party: the Democrats.
Public funded campaigns, along with continued frank mailing, will
help the current crop of Democrats survive in Congress.

3. The Clinton adimn., will install an absurd number of highly
partisan Liberal regulatory officials. They will start shaking
down businesses for contributions in exchange for not hurting them
*too* bad. The S&L example of the 80's, where dozens of Congressional
Democrats survived on S&L contributions (from John Glenn to Paul Simon),
is fresh in their minds. Think of how much they can reap by threatening
businesses with environmental regulation and convincing them that
some friendly support could only help their case.

4. Democrat Federal judges will also help ... in passing on highly gerrymandered
re-destricting. For example, The Texas Senate districts is not to the
liking of the Democrats - you see the Republicans picked up 5 seats.
So ... back to the drawing board. Gotta figure out a way to
dis-enfranchise the small-Government crowd.  You can expect this on
a wider scale.

5. D.C. Statehood....  now there's an easy 2 liberal Democrat Senators.
Sen. Jesse Jackson, anyone?

You see, these guys understand power, and they know that on a level
playing field, they don't stand much of a chance, especially after they
pass most of the nonsense they and their Liberal friends support.

... but who said the playing field had to be level?

If you want to take the country back, you are going to have to fight
for it now more than ever.

Pat
Xref: sparky alt.politics.perot:5270 alt.politics.elections:22980
From: al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: 90% Check-Bouncers
Date: 6 Nov 1992 23:52:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd) says:

>Did you know that 90% of the check bouncers from the house who were
>up for re-election were re-elected?

That's why we should have the votes weighted according to
how much income tax the voter pays.  Millions of voters at
the low-income end IDENTIFY with the check bouncers!  They
want to pick our pockets for all they can get!




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From: tjg2946@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: UNITED WE STAND MASCOT ISSUE
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:49:08 GMT
Reply-To: tjg2946@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

How about a fire alarm.

That would be a great mascot.

Fire Alarm:  Pain in the street, economic woes... and the government
is those guys who need their Residental Assistant to drag them out of 
the room.
From: byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd)
Subject: Democracy or Republic ?
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:54:33 GMT

Do we in the United States have a democracy or a republic?

Are these reasonable definitions of each?

   Democracy:  1 person = 1 vote
   Republic:   1 Educated, Informed, Intelligent person = 1 vote
                 (== elector)

Who gets to decide who is educated, informed and intelligent?
In the current process, the parties choose electors, right?
Anyone think they might be a little biased?

Wasn't there a big stink in the late nineteenth century about
passing some test as a precondition for voting?  

I think this idea was carried over into the congress.  Does a
representative represent?  Or does he/she/it vote their concience?
You would think the founders intended them to represent, as reflected
by the title they gave them.  

-- 
Marc J. Byrd - byrd@rice.edu       |  United We Stand. 
Rice University                    |  Whether or not you accept it, you are 
Dept of Elec & Comp Engr           |  responsible for the actions and 
XUV Holographic Microscope Project |  inactions of your government. 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: jbone@splat.dell.com (Jeff Bone)
Subject: Re: Electoral College
Organization: Dell Computer Co
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:43:11 GMT

byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd) writes:
>
>The electoral college has outlived its original purpose.  We can now
>know the results of the popular election within hours of the closing
>of the polls.
>
>Let's begin now a strategy to be done with the electoral college by
>the next presidential election.
>

Here, here!  I agree wholeheartedly!  

cheers,

jb


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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: korman@seas.gwu.edu (John Korman)
Subject: Re: Internet and the Prez
Keywords: Let's ask!
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:13:04 GMT

In article <1db5nmINNish@gilligan.East.Sun.COM> mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:
        ...
>
>I would like to see something like the following, for example:
>
>us.gov.announce.appts	- Appointments by the Pres, etc.
>us.gov.announce.senate	- Bills currently on the Senate Floor
>us.gov.announce.house	- Bills currently on the House Floor
>us.gov.votes.senate	- Voting records for the Senate
>us.gov.votes.house	- Same, for the House
>us.gov.bills.pres	- Bills passed, and on the President's desk
>us.gov.bills.status	- Same, but what he has signed/vetoed
>us.gov.questions	- Questions from John Doe about bills
>us.gov.answers		- Digest of answers to questions
>us.gov.concerns		- Opinions about bills, general concerns
>us.gov.replies		- Digest of answers to concerns
>
>I believe that while it is our responsibility to monitor
>our government, it is at the same time our government's
>responsibility to make that monitoring and expression of
>concerns easier for us. This process has not inproved
>much in my recent memory, and there are alot of things
>that could be done to expedite it.

      ....

>What do you all think?

I believe it is one step closer to a Electronic Town Hall that Ross Perot
has been advocating. Sounds great. I'm all for it.

John Korman

Xref: sparky alt.politics.perot:5347 alt.politics.usa.constitution:955
From: rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (John Rickert)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.usa.constitution
Subject: Re: Democracy or Republic ?
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:11:44 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University Mathematics Department


    The difference between a republic and a democracy, as I was taught, 
is that in a democracy, each person gets to vote and the majority rules.
In a republic, people vote for representatives who then make the laws.
So, as I was taught, Switzerland is close to being a pure democracy,
while Britain, with the House of Lords as part of Parliament, is less
of a pure democracy than the U.S.

    As for the wisdom of republic versus democracy, I would strongly
recommend that you read The Federalist, No. 10.  It is a classic.  It
is not long, and it is well worth reading.  Madison explains why the
Constitution is set up more as a republic than a democracy.


John Rickert
rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: canaan@u.washington.edu (Always a rainbow)
Subject: Re: NATIONAL ADDRESS?
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:54:36 GMT

In article <Nov.5.12.37.11.1992.7281@gandalf.rutgers.edu>  
cermak@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rob Cermak) writes:
> Can someone mail me the National HQ address in Dallas, TX?
> or possibly the 1-800 phone #?

read my next posting. it has the addr and non800  number on it. 800 number  
is gone
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: ar12@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard Nixon)
Subject: DISTRIBUTION LIST FOR ARTICLES ABOUT US FOREIGN TRADE PROBLEM, FOREIGN AGENTS AND THE NATIONAL DEBT...NOW TAKING NAMES (FREE)
Reply-To: ar12@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:40:29 GMT

DISTRIBUTION LIST FOR ARTICLES ABOUT US FOREIGN TRADE PROBLEM, FOREIGN
AGENTS AND THE NATIONAL DEBT....NOW TAKING NAMES.
 
This is a note to inform all of you about a distribution list we run 
which distributes about once a month, articles about the U.S. trade, 
political and debt situation. This newsgroup may not be around much 
longer, so we're doing our best to set up a distribution list now 
before we all lose contact with each other. If ever you wish to be
removed from the list, I would delete you immediately.
 
Recently you may have seen some articles on this group
(one about Japanese trade policy (JAPANYES), and other was a list
of 'foriegn agents' who are high level government people who sell 
you out to foreign companies for bribes and 'fees'. 
 
These articles are usually not available via other media which is why
we run this list.
 
These files were first sent down our receiver list before they were posted 
generally. (These files (the Japan ones) are currently at anonymous FTP 
site monu6.cc.monash.edu.au   in    pub/nihongo    
(read the INDEX file in that directory for details)).
 
In the future, we won't be posting these as often, but rather sending
them down the distribution list. If you would like to be on the
distribution list for these articles (one every month or so), please
send me a note and I will add you. 
 
 
Andre,
 
ar12@quads.uchicago.edu


Xref: sparky alt.politics.perot:5345 alt.politics.elections:23213 alt.politics.clinton:16532
From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Clinton's mailbox is full now!
Date: 9 Nov 92 10:56:13 -0600
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <BxFJI7.779@rice.edu>, byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd) writes:
> 
> Anyone had any luck mailing (and receiving) email from
> Clinton, or even his staff?
> 

I did e-mail a campaign-related item a month ago, and got a response
from a Clinton campaign staff member. I do know that Governor Clinton
does not personally read the majority of mail and e-mail received. I
don't know what the volume of e-mail is, but I do know that the letter
mail was something like 4000 pieces a day, so it impossible for him
to read it. 

I suspect that they are cutting down on staffing at the moment- the 
campaign staff is being disbanded, but staff to answer the mail for
the President cannot be officially hired until January 20. So even
though we are enthusiastic that Governor Clinton won, it may be more
prudent not to send e-mail or letter mail at this time. 

-Mary Howard
(Clinton volunteer- Iowa)
From: cjk@nic.cerf.net
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: EDS Personel Policies
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:10:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CERFnet

In article <2AFDF78F.23670@news.service.uci.edu> stieglit@orion.oac.uci.edu (Jeff Stieglitz) writes:
>I've heard that EDS has quite a personel policy handbook which governs 
>employee behavior and dress.
>
So does IBM, DEC, ATT, HP, SLB, ML.  In fact a personel policy
is just about standard issue with any company you work for.  And
they generly reflect the character and attitude of the
company and its employees.  If your looking for dirt,
you won't find anything hear.

Chris Kevlahan
cjk@cerf.net
From: Alex@camp.wpic.pitt.edu (Alex Ferguson )
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Head of deficit task force...
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:34:42 GMT
Organization: DAC, Child Psych, UPMC


Hi,
	Just heard that Perot is the Clinton administrations #1 choice for 
heading up a deficit task force - any opinions?  Personally, I don't think 
that it will work very well, but we'll see...

							Alex

P.S. He also want to make Peanut man Secretary of State, but he declined 
     (during an interview) even before it was officially offered.
 
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer)
Subject: Re: How we lost
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 17:38:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.045700.6564@telesoft.com> trevor@telesoft.com (Trevor Bourget @ignite) writes:
>In <1992Nov4.160642.8969@sequent.com>
>jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer) writes:
>
>>or maybe the American public aren't as manipulative as Perot thought they
>>were.
>
>Maybe you meant "manipulable" or "gullible" but didn't have the education
>to catch the stupid mistake in the middle of your childish insult.  In any
>case, most of those who voted for Perot were neither of the above -- Clinton
>got all the votes from the gullible (by the way, did you know that word isn't
				
He's a better salesman than a thought. Wanna buy a bridge?
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: Steve Freedkin <sfreedkin@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Date: 06 Nov 92 17:55 PST
Subject: Re: STATUS UPDATE/United We Stand/Perot
Nf-ID: #R:Nov.6.12.54.42.1992.28734@gandal:206344300:cdp:1676000018:000:193
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!sfreedkin    Nov  6 17:55:00 1992


The latest on the news is that United We Stand might register as a political
action committee -- that's right, a PAC.

BOO BO BUP -- We're sorry, but isn't that what Perot was running AGAINST?

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot