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From: swamp@nrtpa22.bnr.ca (Steve Swamp)
Subject: why no rugby in olympics?
Keywords: olympics
Reply-To: swamp@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR, Research Triangle Park, NC
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:39:33 GMT

I noticed that roller hockey is a demonstration sport for the olympics
this year. I don't know about other places, but there isn't a roller
hockey team around here, but there are a handful of rugby teams. My
question is - has rugby ever been an olympic sport? It would seem to me
that it has a larger following than roller hockey.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: NZ beats Oz 26-23. Tour comments.
From: awil2@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Andrew James        Willmott       )
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:04:37 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

In <1992Jul30.075007.18317@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au> s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA) writes:

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>Yeah. Sean Fitzpatrick is nothing compared to Nick Farr-Jones. It's like
>comparing a thug with a gentleman or Hitler with Mahatma Gandhi. If only
>AB can get a captain like Farr-Jones.............

Dear oh dear oh dear. This guy actually works at a University? I can see the
foaming mouth and crazed eyes now :-)

Andrew the stupefied.


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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: All Blacks restore some pride
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: rec
Date: 25 Jul 92 16:07:38 GMT

hamish@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>Why according to the commentator? Weren't you watching?

  Don't rub it in, Hamish.  Look at my location.  My only link
to the civilised rugby world is via shortwave radio on 17770 kHz.
  I will see the tests eventually as I have the videotapes coming
over in the next couple of weeks.

>Another thing. I'll be very interested to see how many ockers on the net are up
>in arnms about cokers little episode in the second half with the boot going in
>and then taking out his frustration on Fitzpatrick when he was seen. Or won't
>the ocker media have seen this one?

  Once again, the commentators (Graeme Moody and Kevin Schuler) said
that Coker was lucky not to be sent off.  However, they also said
that Jamie Joseph had done something similar in the first half, 
and was lucky to still be there.  
  Does Joseph have an attitude problem or something?  I have a clipping
from the NZ Herald, when the All Black team was announced, which
has Bryan Williams "unrepentant" about his outburst at the announcement.
Apparently, when Jamie Joseph's name was announced, BeeGee spoke out
in a loud, incredulous voice, "Is this a New Zealand team?"
  With his stomping in the World XV matches, and now this, is
Joseph a liability in the side? (I had never really heard of
Joseph until he was picked this year, and I've only seen him play
in the two tapes of the Irish tests).  
  Other comments.  It sounds like Zinzan Brooke has proved he should
have back been in the test side long ago.  The commentators were very
enamoured of Fox's play yesterday.  I'm still not comfortable
with Timu at fullback - it sounded like he regularly missed
touch on his kicks.

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From: pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Subject: Re: why no rugby in olympics?
Keywords: olympics
Reply-To: pmc5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:58:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.155257.17016@nrtpa038.bnr.ca> swamp@bnr.ca writes:
>I know I started this thread, but I was talking to someone at practice last
>night, and he told me that rugby will be in the 1996 olympics as an exhibition
>sport. Also, supposedly the team the US sent in 1924 was the Stanford rugby
>team. Any confirmations on these?

I think the IOC has decreed that this olympics is the last to have 
demonstration sports (source: New York Times, last Sunday), although
you can't believe everything you read.

>
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Cheers, Paul
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Subject: Rugby tour to SA
From: adesward@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (A M J De Swardt)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:14:51 GMT
Distribution: global
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town

I am a South African rugby union fan and I'm eagerly awaiting the forthcoming

tour to SA by the All Blacks and Wallabies next month. We have been receiving

reports that the tour might be in jeopardy. Any views and news would be

greatly appreciated. 

Anton de Swardt - University of Cape Town.
From: jlw@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: why no rugby in olympics?
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:13:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.203933.5711@nrtpa038.bnr.ca>, swamp@nrtpa22.bnr.ca (Steve Swamp) writes:
> 
> I noticed that roller hockey is a demonstration sport for the olympics
> this year. I don't know about other places, but there isn't a roller
> hockey team around here, but there are a handful of rugby teams. My
> question is - has rugby ever been an olympic sport? It would seem to me
> that it has a larger following than roller hockey.
> 

	I think it was taken out of the Olympics because someone was killed in both
the 1920 and 1924 games. (collapsed scrums I think but don't quote me on this)
I wonder if this was just an unfortunate coincidence or has rugby become 
somewhat safer over the years.

As an asside, what are the statistics for deaths during matches ? 
I have heard of only one death as a direct result of a game on clubs I'm 
personally familliar with in 10 years of playing in the US. (ie I either
played for or against the clubs) I also know of one guy who died of a heart
condition at practice but I wouldn't consider rugby to be the direct cause.

I realize that this might be considered a morbid subject but I suspect that
rugby is actually much, much safer than many other full contact sports and 
wondered if anyone has hard numbers or interesting studies. 

Joe White
From: hamish@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: Buck and the Captaincy
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:54:31 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Jul21.204936.16599@leland.Stanford.EDU>, davidnz@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Richard Bell) writes:
> 
> I was not literally suggesting that he be recalled, but that someone else should be found to take over his role. I too have felt that the AB's have appeared
> rather aimless and lacked the urgency of the great AB side under Buck. I still
> believe that the droppping of Buck cost us dearly in the WC. I for one would
> like to know the real reason why he was dropped (his form was OK at the time
> of the trials, and in the subsequent tour to France his replacement No. 8
> (Brooke) was then himself replaced by Brewer!). In fact there are numerous
> precedents for retaining the services of a great captain even if his form
> has slipped below that of the competing player.

#rumour mode on!!

OK. First off a disclaimer. This is something I heard. It may or may not be
true. So Thusly, having siad it may be all a pack of bullshit so I don't get
into too much trouble :) The story I heard from someone who purported to have
been told by the horses mouth so to speak....

One day Grizz Whylie (AB coach) and Graham Loe (Manly League coach) were having
a beer/drink/meal together in an establishment somewhere in Auckland. When
along comes Buck. He sees the manly coach, and having just had several player
nicked for league so to speak, wanders up and tells Loe to "Fu*k off and leave
my players alone". 

Needless to say Grizz wasn't too happy about this so Buck was no more....

#rumour mode off!!

Anyone heard anything similar? Different?



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From: R.D.Lynn@massey.ac.nz (R.D. Lynn)
Subject: Re: University rugby world cup
Keywords: Stensness
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 02:05:11 GMT

In article: <1992Jul21.172238.5999@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> (Bill Taylor) writes:

>Many thanks to Franco Properzi for posting the results of the student rwc for
>us. I'm sure a great many of us appreciate the effort. (Did you not manage to
>find the scores from the pool games, Franco ?)  

>Maybe some of us didn't appreciate the results, though ! NZ thoroughly trounced
>in the final, by France. Franco told me in an email, how France was seething
>for revenge; after their defeats by NZ in the '87 WC, and again in the '88 1st
>university WC, which apparently was initiated by France in an attempt to gain
>revenge for "87. Well, they've finally done it, and how!  21-9, after trailing
>9-6 at half time.       WARMEST CONGRATULATIONS to France.

France almost didn't make it to the final! They only beat Italy, 25-21 in the 
semifinal. As for the final, I think Franco mentioned that God Save the Queen
was played as the N.Z. national anthem, not exactly a great start to the 
game! Mind you, Advance Australia Fair was played as the national anthem for
the England B team against the N.Z. XV recently.

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I think that he's a bit more solidly built than the incumbent All Black first-
five eighth! :-) Stensness is very strong on his feet, enjoying cutting back
inside to take on the opposition loose forwards. If he was slightly built, he
wouldn't be playing this type of game.
From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: why no rugby in olympics?
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Keywords: olympics
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:22:27 GMT

pmc5@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Paul M Corballis) writes:

>I think it used to be an Olympic sport (long ago), but was deemed too
>rough (!) (And no Americans play....).

  Unfortunately I don't have my Olympics fact book, but I seem to
recall that rugby was an event at the 1920 and 1924 Olympics.
The surprising thing is that the winner was the U.S.A!  I don't
know how many countries sent teams (I suspect New Zealand didn't),
but I also read somewhere that the U.S. team had a few
ex-patriot NZ and Australians.  This is a great trivia question:
Who's the current Olympic rugby champion?  The U.S!
  As for no Americans playing rugby, another little known fact
is that there are more university rugby players in the U.S. than
there are university baseball players.  (And baseball has its
college finals televised on a major network over an entire week).

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From: steinber@cc.und.ac.za (Michael Steinberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Natal vs ABs
Keywords: Natal AB
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:10:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.steinber.69.712480241
Organization: University Of Natal (Durban)


The All Black team to play Natal on Saturday
at Kings Park here in Durban has only two 
changes from the team that played Aus :

Eroni Clark in for Walter Little
Mark Cooksley in for Robin Brooke.

The Natal team (top of Currie Cup log !) follows :

F.B     Hugh Reece-Edwards
Wings   Cabous van der Westhuizen
        Tony Watson
Cntrs   Pieter Muller
        Dick Muir
F.H     Henry Honiball
S.H     Robert du Preez
8th     Gary Teichmann
Flanks  Wahl Bartmann (Capt)
        Andrew Blakeway
Locks   Steve Atherton
        Rudi Visagie
Props   Gerard Harding
        Lood Muller
Hooker  John Allen

I will be there, it should be an amazing day, especially
Rovers afterwards !!!

Mike.


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From: steinber@cc.und.ac.za (Michael Steinberg)
Subject: Re: South Africa Emblem???
Organization: University Of Natal (Durban)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:39:24 GMT

In article <01GMY3GJFDW0001ZU6@JHMAIL.HCF.JHU.EDU> tratnana@EUREKA-GOLD.WBME.JHU.EDU (Tilak Ratnanather) writes:
>Subject: South Africa Emblem???
>From: tratnana@EUREKA-GOLD.WBME.JHU.EDU (Tilak Ratnanather)
>Date: 29 Jul 92 14:01:41 GMT
>
>I just received a fax from a South African friend who now lives
>in London. He says that the Springbok insigna will be replaced
>by one Bok surrounded by four proteas...can anyone substantiate
>this?
>
>Thanks
>
>Tilak Ratnanather       tratnana@eureka-gold.wbme.jhu.edu
>Dept of Otolaryngology -- Head & Neck Surgery
>The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine

I have not seen it yet, but it will have the bok and the proteas in some
pattern.

Mike


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From: flatau@cs.utexas.edu (Arthur Flatau)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.rugby
Subject: Re: NZ beats Oz 26-23. Tour comments.
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:57:34 GMT
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
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In article <1992Jul27.114232.6062@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Taylor) writes:
>[...]
>And here's another suggestion. I'm not really hot about it; but it might be
>an idea for the ref to have immediate access to action-replay footage, at
>least for try-scoring decisions. We clearly wouldn't want it for all phases
>of play, American-football style. Rugby doesn't lend itself to this, as does
>gridiron (with its staccato action). But as play stops anyway for a try, and
>usually also for a high-speed near-try in the corner, it wouldn't really slow 
>things up to use it for try/nontry decisions.
>Anyway, just a thought. Anything to improve reffing must be a help to any game.
>

Surely you are joking about having instant replay.  I can not stand
having it for American football with its "staccato action", for rugby
it would be worse.  Someone just recently told me that a 60 minute
American football game has only 7 minutes of action.  I also do not
think that the number of tries/near-tries in a game would justify such
a rule.  I believe the cameras used for instant replay decisions in
American football (that is professional football, not college) are the
cameras used by the television networks.  So if the cameraman is
picking his nose, you might miss the angle you want.  A better
solution would be to adopt another "innovation" from American sports,
have more than one referee (I am not advocating this, but it would be
better).

Art
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From: a2824ag@sunmanager.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Riaan de Jager)
Subject: Re: Can someone from South Africa post news about AB tour?
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Distribution: lrz
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 09:47:52 GMT

keyser@oliver.sun.ac.za (P.W. Keyser) writes:

Stuff deleted...

>It is actually not been 20 years since our last big tour. In 1981 we toured
>through New Zealand, and lost the 3rd test, due to a penalty (that was given
>for no aparent reason) in the last 2 or 3 minutes of the match. The All
>Blacks won the series 2-1. And in 1986 there was a ``rebel'' New Zealand tour, 
>which also was quite a big affair, as you can imagine.

>Will try to keep you up-to-date. Sorry if I may sound a bit biased.
Oh! There's no problem! (m.a.w. geen probleem!)
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Subject: Musings on the game...
From: clive@otago.ac.nz (Clive Boock)
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:43:38 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

  Musings on the Game

   An interesting statistic heard on the radio this morning; the current test
series is the first time in 13 years that the All Blacks have lost two tests in
succession. I wonder how long it has been since they lost 3 in a row?
  All this talk of the All Blacks being as good a team as the Wallabies seems
just bullshit to me. The Wallabies have won 4 of the last 5 games the two
teams have played and the game the All Blacks won was that strange match in
Auckland when Fox and Lynagh missed all those kicks at goal because the match
balls were incorrectly inflated. 
   I hate the All Blacks losing as much as anyone but lets be realistic about
the whole thing and not invent talents that the team doesn't have. The excuse
we have to use is that we are in a rebuilding phase and our real aim is to get
the mix of players right before the next World Cup. Australia still have the
team which won the World Cup and naturally they are the best team in the world
at the moment. Remember how dominant the All Blacks were following the 1987
victory?
    I hope the players and referees adapt to these new rules soon as Sundays
game was not a good demonstration of how the new rules can add to the games
appeal for spectators. Sure the Ballymore crowd loved the game; its the first
time the Wallabies have beaten the All Blacks there since 1928!! but it was too
stop-start for my liking and the only thing that kept it interesting was the
closness of the scores.

Clive H. Boock, University of Otago, New Zealand. 
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From: davidnz@leland.Stanford.EDU (David Richard Bell)
Subject: Bring Back Buck .....
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 16:33:52 GMT


Well, still haven't seen the tapes but it's hard to believe the AB's were
beaten so badly by a provincial side. Without doubt this has to be the most
poorly led, coached and captained side to ever call themselves AB's.
Clearly these guys have no guts or pride in the AB tradition. There can be
and is NO excuse for this sort of effort. The fact that the opposition 
played well is irrelevant.
As I have ranted before on this newsgroup a decent captain would not allow his
team to play like a feeble club side. I remember seeing Buck Shelford give
an aftermatch speech in Tokyo after the AB's had beaten Japan by 100 points.
A lesser captain could have been casual, and taken the tour as a bit of a
joke. Buck however, demanded that his players "be true to themselves" and
give a totally committed performance in the remaining games. Likewise losing
a series and then playing like wimps is not what a professional team is all
about.

Someone (an Aussie?) mentioned that the general Aussie teams and the test side
are not at all intimidated by the Haka anymore. The reason is because they
know the players giving it have no discipline and can't deliver on the
threat. If there is an Aussie player who reckons he could watch Buck lead
the Haka and not feel like p***ing himself in terror he's a liar.

db