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From: hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: CATCHING A DOWNLINK
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:24:18 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <719144869.0@fquest.FidoNet>, Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Omega Man) writes:
|> 
|>  > Heck, if you can put together a cheapo system for a hundred bucks, 
|>  > it might be worth it for a real STTNG fan!
|> 
|> The dish itself can actually be made with relativly little cost, percentage
|> wise. In fact, I've seen plans for a C and Ku-compatible dish that's made
|> from - get this - screen door parts.
|> This isn't a joke, either. Hams have been tinkering with screen door 
|> antennas for years, and the ARRL reportedly has recorded a moonbounce with
|> the receiving dish being made from a screen door tuned for 2m ops!

  I've seen several dishes made from Chain Link fence.
From: jereese@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jean reese)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lore and Tasha: 2 questions
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:27:22 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Oct9.070149.26612@leland.Stanford.EDU> firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.015821.9643@athena.mit.edu> johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:
>>	Question 1:
>>	Didn't Lore die when Wesley transmported him out to space
>>in "Datalore" from the first season? It seemed to be no question
>>that he was dead, as was his creator, Dr. Soong. Yet they both show
>>up in later episodes (which I have not seen). How is this explained?
>
>I believe Lore just floated around in space ... and it turned out Dr. Soong
>wasn't dead after all.  That's a common enough device in soap operas ....


Yes, he floated around until he met up with the Crystalline Entity, which
rescued him. In the next episode we see him, he brings his buddy, the
Crystalline Entity, to the Enterprise to gobble everyone up.

Jean

>
>
>>
>>	Question 2:
>>	Why did they kill Tasha off? (It's tomorrow night's episode
>>on the repeats here in Boston). I've heard rumours that Denise Crosby
>>was fired for posing in Playboy. Does anyone out there know the true
>>story as to why they killed her off?
>>
>>	Thanks in advance, for whomever responds....
>>
>
>I heard she left because she felt she wasn't getting enough lines as Yar.
>
>Firestar
>
>
>
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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: pad is sexy and nude!
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 09:57:35 EST

In article <1992Oct14.195221.19627@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz) writes:
 
>He also had the Jewish reference in Imzadi, look at the names of
>the raiders when Troi was taken hostage.
>
 
 
Wasn't this just mentioned about four days ago (or is there an echo in
here) ?????????????????????
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From: steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Subject: Re: What did Picard say?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 08:31:56 GMT

In <bknutson.718513609@roby.ecn.purdue.edu> bknutson@roby.ecn.purdue.edu (Brian A Knutson) writes:

>  Picard says "Brinksmanship is a dangersous game."  He is referring to the
>practice of testing an opponent to see how far they will go before
>committing to act.  Perhaps the best example is the '62 Cuban Missile 
>Crisis.  Which (IMHO) is the finest example of brinksmanship.

Ah, I'd go with the crisis that coined the term:  Qemoy & Matsu.  "Eyeball
to eyeball, and the other guy blinked." -- John Foster Dulles.
--
Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic

  "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not 
   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
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From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: Sixth Season
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:01:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.174100.14451@athena.mit.edu> johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:
>In article <tomcat.718653988@cwis> tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:
>>	I agree with this person...the show is doing very well.  I don't
>>see what is wrong with the show's so far this season.  The two episodes
>>I have seen so far are pretty good...and I've heard some bad thoughts from
>>the next episode "Man of the People".  Before I saw the episode "Realm of
>>Fear" there was some talk of the show being too technical...I followed it
>>very well.  I know people have their own opinion, and I respect that.
>>All I am doing now is skipping over the ones marked *spoilers* and go on
>>to the ones about books, old shows, etc.  Just wanted to put in my 2 cents.
>
>	I think that those would-be "hard-core" fans who consistently
>bash TNG are a vocal and radical fringe on this newsgroup - like the
>GOP's far right. 

I'm proud of being "vocal", thanks; and if asking for quality is
"radical", I'm proud to be that too.


>
>	But at least the show is trying cool things and failing. 

And if they try a cool thing and *succeed*, I'll be there to congratulate
them. Of course, their definition of "success" seems markedly different
from my own.


>	I'd rather see the show try and alternately miss and fail than
>see the formulaic, uninspired plots we saw in season 5 

I agree except for the "alternately miss and fail". I'd rather see
"alternately *succeed* and fail".

Beyond that, I haven't seen much in the way of new or daring this season.
Some of the *trappings* are new and weird, yes, but I haven't really
seen any innovation that goes beyond the surface. For example, TAII
was, at heart, a straightforward action-adventure piece (aliens stealing
souls; blow 'em away!). "Realm of Fear" was another "crewman struggles with
angst" (the only difference being that instead of a kid, we got an adult
who *acts* like a kid). 

I've only seen the first half of "Man of the People" but you yourself
called it "a classic Trek plot, much like many plots from TOS" which
doesn't connotate much originality or innovation.


>- personally,
>I thought The Masterpiece Society sucked....

So does the TNG staff, btw. That (and their hubris in general) is probably 
a substantial part of why I dislike so much of their output.

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From: v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Lay off Worf!"
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:52:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.Bw59F7.EtG
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: SUNY at Beefalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <jgasaway-141092152153@mac20-199.ncsa.uiuc.edu>, jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu (James Gasaway) writes...
>In article <Bw4JMu.tv@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
>(Anthos) wrote:
> 
>(stuff deleted)
> 
>> Since you assume that since the guards (the only two people with phasers that
>> were not from the Big E) were there, that Worf was helpless (yes I'm trying to
>> look at it from your POV).  Yes the phasers were aimed at WORF, but none were
>> aimed at Picard.  You must then assume that Worf couldn't incapacitate the two
>> guards.  I, though, will not make that assumption since I do assume that Worf
>> was trained in how to deal with such a situation.  If Picard actually tried
>> to take the ambassador and Picard was injured, THEN I would say that Worf didn't
>> do his job.  Picard tried to intimidate, and failed.  Worf was intimidating,
>> that is why the guards were pointing the phasers at him.  I call that protecting
>> Picard by DRAWING POTENTIAL FIRE AWAY FROM PICARD, what any Security Officer 
>> should do.  They would have had to kill Worf first, and don't assume that they
>> would have been able.  Their position in the room was horrible since Worf was
>> standing there (almost like Worf placed himself in the most strategic position,
>> hmmm?)
> 
>I'm not giving in, but I'm moving this discussion to direct email.  I
>believe we're arguing two different points, but I don't want to waste
>newsnet space.  If anyone else is interested in this discussion, s/he can
>ask Anthos to foward my reply (I didn't keep a copy by accident).
> 
>James 
>jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu
>Univ of Illinois @ Urbana/Champaign

I do still have a copy of his reply, so if you want it, e-mail me for it.

BTW he's right, we are arguing two different points, but hopefully my reply
is more towards the point he was making.

E-mail me for updates (if wanted).

Anthos, the Grey Knight, High Preist of Minikar, God of Chaos, Horrible Puns,
                                                  and Extremely Bad Form
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Madiens to slay/ Castles to sack/ Towns to pillage/ Quarterbacks to plunder

Oh, how I am confused!
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From: carlson@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Richard Carlson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG Grade Report: "Realm Of Fear"
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:29:10 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

Spoilers for Realm of Fear:

> >1. how did Barcley know the worms were people? What evidence was there for
> >this?
> 
> He didn't know; he guessed.  This was made clear in the episode, I thought.
> People were missing from the ship, the experiment that went awry was performed
> in the transporter room... it added up, mostly, and he filled in the missing
> digits...

Yes, he specifically says that when he sees *several* worms (3 or 4) during
that last transport, that's the final piece that solves the puzzle for him.

-- Richard
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From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Re: Guinan and her secrets
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:48:37 GMT

M17257@mwvm.mitre.org wrote:
: >In article 1658@dsinet, markw@chusuk (Mark Worrell) writes:
: >|>I dont think I have seen anybody talk about this yet. She is a member of
: >|>some long lived species, right? What was Guinan doing on Earth in the first
: >|>place?
:  
: Remember? She said, "Did my father send you?!"  I think she was being a
: rebellious teenager, and trying to make her own way in the universe, away
: from her father's controlling power.

I don't think at over 500 years old would characterize Guinan a
"teenager".  1000 year before the first Borg meeting, her people had been
destroyed.  She implied that she escaped that attack from various
episodes.  Since TA took place 500 years before, she is at LEAST 500
years old.  She was probably an adventurous explorer (like Picard) well
into her adulthood.  Also working under your father's supervision, does
tend to keep the "kid" status alive, which is why you may have perceived
her as such.

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From: DonD@cup.portal.com (Don Robert DeCosta)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 21:28:01 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct5.095021.28938@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
  <DAVIDM.92Oct7193638@consilium.com>
  <1992Oct9.022024.13332@newstand.syr.edu>
  <1992Oct11.020343.11146@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>

Can't this whole issue about O'Brian's rank be solved if we all just agree
that the *character* played by Colm Meaney in the first couple of seasons
*wasn't* O'Brian?  The actress who plays Ensign Ro was David Ogden Stiers'
daughter in an earlier episode, no one has argued how she could have changed
races and joined Star Fleet in the short time after her father's death.

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From: alix@iastate.edu (L.A. Melloy)
Subject: Re: --<Man of the People>-- *SPOILERS*
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:45:28 GMT

In <1992Oct9.184527.1@us.oracle.com> sstephen@us.oracle.com writes:

{snip...snip go the editing scissors....}

	>It was a "Picture of Dorian Grey" rip-off...

Hooray!  I'm glad someone besides me _saw_ that.

It's funny; this episode _was_ probably one of the worst, but _still_ not
as bad as _Cost_of_Living_.  One thing I didn't like about it is that I
guessed the ENTIRE plot (from what he was doing to who exactly Alcar's
"mother" really was) before the opening credits.  _VERY_ rare for me.  Maybe
I'm biased because I don't like Oscar Wilde.  :-)





*MINOR SPOILER*


	>that was produced for the sole purpose of titilating the audience AND
	>letting the special-effects gang show off their "morphing" effect that
	>is going to become a lot more popular in the next few years...

Hey, did anyone but me have a problem with the morphing effect at the end
(Troi's hair changing 'instantaneously' from grey back to black)?  I can
_almost_ swallow it changing to grey so fast (if her metabolic processes
were speeded up so that she appeared old, maybe her hair grew that fast to turn
all grey by the end of the episode), but back to black?  NOT!

Opinions expressed are all my own.


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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: transporter psychosis
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Oct 92 00:52:53 EST

> Spoiler alert!

>
> The thing that got my attention in this episode was O'Brien's comment about
> transporter psychosis (TP) ; that it hadn't occured in the last 50
> years sin the pattern buffer (? don't hold me to this) was perfected.

Hey, that was a good and funny line cause of O'Brian's accent.

"Transporter Psychosis?  Why there hasn't been a case of that in over
FIFTY years!  Not since they perfected the multi-plex pattern boofers!"
:-)

Speaking of which, I KNOW I've heard the term transporter psychosis
before....  Has it ever been mentioned in another episode?


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From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Re: **MILD SPOILER*** Dread of Scotty Episode
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 07:07:05 GMT

Matt Hucke (hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: What did Dan Quayle get on his IQ test? 

He failed :-)
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From: johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello)
Subject: Re: No more "Opinionated Comments"
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:10:59 GMT

>kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>:)Because of the low quality of the recent episodes and the even lower
>:)quality of the *promisings* of upcoming episodes, I am dropping
>:)ST:TNG from my viewing schedule effective immediately. I will not be 
>:)reviewing (or watching) "Relics", nor will there be any further episode 
>:)reviews from this site.
>

	Well, you certainly won't be missed. Let's have the REAL FANS of TNG
take this newsgroup BACK! Enough of these pretentious reviewers whose only
purpose in life is to tear down the work of others. TNG is among the
top shows on television. Even when it's at its worst, it outranks
all of the brain-dead garbage being shown on the networks.

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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: Elementary, Dear Data Question.
Keywords: How
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:20:51 GMT

> I just saw a re-run of "Elementary, Dear Data" last night and I have a stupid
> question.  Isn't there some way they could use a plot complication like
> downloading Proffessor Morriarity's holodeck program into a android body
> built to his own likeness?  Data could build the body and then just download
> Morriarity into his new form.  Anyone have a justifiable answer why it can't
> be done?

Good question, but it has to be no. When they originally made the episode they
did not get permission to whoever owns the rights to things Sherlock Holmes
related. They almost got sued! If they want to do another one they have to
first get permission and they pay money for the right to use it. Since their
budget per episode is so high as it is they probably won't do it anytime soon.
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From: snoopy@crchh426.BNR.CA (Antonio Tello)
Subject: Re: Man of the People  - please explain "Dorian" reference
Reply-To: snoopy@crchh426.BNR.CA (Antonio Tello)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 18:21:44 GMT

The original refrence to "DORIAN" is from the book _The Portrait of 
Dorian Grey (Gray ?)_ by Oscar Wilde. I can not recall the publication 
date (1880's ?).


P.S. Oscar Wilde's Last words were "Either that wallpaper goes or I do"
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From: tilden@venture.ksu.ksu.edu (Jeffery A Bohning)
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Subject: Elementary, Dear Data Question.
Date: 7 Oct 1992 11:54:21 -0500
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I just saw a re-run of "Elementary, Dear Data" last night and I have a stupid
question.  Isn't there some way they could use a plot complication like
downloading Proffessor Morriarity's holodeck program into a android body
built to his own likeness?  Data could build the body and then just download
Morriarity into his new form.  Anyone have a justifiable answer why it can't
be done?

Just curious.

Jeff "Tilden" Bohning

"Denial springs eternal." -Hobbes
"It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin
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From: firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith)
Subject: Re: Question about Scotty
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 07:52:33 GMT

In article <os902821.719138581@jarrah> os902821@jarrah.canberra.edu.au (Scott David McLauchlan) writes:
>

>In <1687F114A2.IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU> IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil) writes:
>
>>Why, oh why did Scotty have to die that way?  Why couldn't
>>some ensign take a dive on the phaser set on overload?
>>(Kinda like they used to on TOS)
>
>Haven't you heard of SPOILERS?!
>Only people in the US have seen "Relics" so far. Have a little
>consideration for others, please.
>


I think someone's been the victim of a little hoax here ...

Firestar


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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Synopsis, "Realm of Fear"
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:26:47 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Oct7.185444.28324@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> swg9u@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Sarah Winn Gutowski) writes:
<Hey - this is a third year student at the University of
<Virginia who had an assignment to get in touch with someone
<from a newsgroup outside of UVA.  And I was wondering how you
<know about the episodes so soon?  And also I just wanted to say
<that you picked a great quote from the last "Realm of Fear"
<episode!  Anyway, thanks for your information!  -Sarah

Who is the who you are talking about?

We find out about stories in advance because some of us have access to the
Paramount Press Releases.
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From: djredick@bluemoon.rn.com (Darrin J. Redick)
Subject: Re: PAD's dire nudity predictions come true
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 05:30:15 EDT

Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:

> Ah, but "Man of the People" wasn't during sweeps week.
> 
> Also, maybe I missed something (actually, I know I did--I missed the first 
> half hour of that episode).  Troi was in a slinky outfit, all right, but
> I don't think they had her nude, did they?
> 
> PAD

Well, not really, but you COULD see one of her nipples if you looked for
it.


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