From: glenne@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Neuromancer )
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: warfare
Date: 16 Oct 1992 20:44:23 GMT
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pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth) writes:
>Marx never equated socialism with anarchy.  Much less "PURE" anarchy.
 
>What is your program for getting voluntary compliance with non-propertarianism.
>I'm interested to hear, since I have never come across an anarchist with
>a viable program for anyone but him/herself.
 
><By definition, some would say.>
 
Rolls on the floor laughing.  O.K.  You're on to me.  Very shrewd of
you!  My program _is_ only for myself.  But that doesn't stop me from
deriving pleasure from insulting, or failing that, just plain annoying
the shit out of propertarians.  If I disagree with people, I am going
to be vocal about it.  This tends to get me into trouble.  Back when
I used to drink, I got plastered off my ass and flipped off this 6'5"
250 lb guy and his huge friend for stepping on my feet while I was
dancing, and making rude comments.  I am a 5'7" 130lb pacifist.
Fortunately the alcohol tended to numb the pain.  I haven't learned my
lesson.  I don't think I ever will.
 
I graduated with honors from a fairly renowned private university with
a bachelors in accounting.  I think I ranked 11th or something like that.
I flushed my degree down the toilet.  I was not impressed by the people
that I met while interviewing.  I was not impressed with their values or
the road they were travelling.  I knew I was not one of them.  I wanted
to create and produce something more directly useful. (what does this have
to do with anything? :)
 
>Say, for example, that you propose some flavor of non-propertarian social
>organization.  As the devil's advocate, I refuse.  I will keep all my
>toys, I will laugh as the children starve and I will drive a gold-plated
>Cadillac while blowing my nose on perfumed silk disposable tissues.  Now,
>unless you are going to kill me (not exactly voluntary then is it) what
>are you going to do?
 
>Leading by example only goes so far.  At a certain point I think you have
>to sit down and define your _enemies_.
 
>... then you have to do something with them.
 
Yeah.  Love them.
 
Glenn                                glenne@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
 
P.S.  And work harder to help the children myself.
 
P.S.S.  How can you define your enemies?  Lets see... Smoking is bad
for the smoker and for me.  Smokers are my enemies.  I will hate
all smokers.  Oops my grandpa smokes.  I don't hate him.  Ummm...
propertarians are bad.  Propertarians are my enemies.  I will hate
all propertarians.  Oops I own property.  For Pete's sake, everyone
I know does or is at least one thing I don't agree with.  Just take
a look at how well I get along with the folks on here.  I am one form
of anarchist or other, but I seem to disagree with just about everyone
on here (from the left and the right) on important issues.
 
In truth we have no enemies.  I may disagree with Perry Metzger,
but I admire things about even a sleaze like him. :) Perry is sincere
and straight forward.  He stands up for what he thinks is right.
And he really listens to my arguments even though I resort to name
calling and trys to point out things that I haven't seen.  I hate
to admit it, but I actually kind of like the guy.   I have friends
who share many of his right wing values, and they are very decent
caring people.  I tend to think Perry is quite often wrong, but
I do not consider him my enemy.
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