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From: frnk@cs1.bradley.edu (Paul Ondercin)
Subject: Re: czech naming practices
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: world, na, usa, local
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:28:41 GMT

In <1992Apr14.135802.22253@unlinfo.unl.edu> mcs@unlinfo.unl.edu (michael straatmann) writes:

>It seems that one of the gentles in a nearby incipient group desires a 
>Czech persona.  He is of Czech descent, so knows a little bit about 
>names, etc.  My knowledge is only a cursory one, and with finals rapidly
>approaching, I fear that it will grow little in this area.  
>Could someone please brief me on period naming practices for this area?
>Any assistance or referral would be greatly appreciated.
   In my experience, the Slavic languages have changed little since period
times. If you can read, say Polish (Almost identical to Czech and Slovak),
you can still read and understand ancient manuscripts. 
   I would advise your friend to pick up a book of names in Czech, Slovak or
Polish. In this way He would be able to pick a name and document it in one step.

	 Luck to you!  Pawel Ptasznik

	 Frnk! :>

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From: neil@electro.electro.com (Neil Peterson)
Subject: Re: SCA in fiction - need help
Organization: Electrohome Ltd., Kitchener, ON, Canada
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:24:10 GMT

Greetings to the Rialto from Ragnar

In article <1992Apr13.002121.20640@crash.cts.com> jhitch@crash.cts.com (Jeffrey Hitchin) writes:
>I am compiling a list of SCA references in fiction.  So far, the only
>books I know of are the following:

Add  

The Number of the Beast				R.A. Heinlein
Description of a tournee hosted by the SCA (Final section of the book)

A fair number of Poul anderson's books have forwards/dedications noting his
SCA membership.  Sir Bela of Eastmarch I believe.

Ragnar


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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: Persona & Classes
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:22:32 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!  Eirik writes:

>  The teacher's obligation is contained in the word: to teach. To impart
> knowledge. I wonder how a comp sci major would like it if one of their
> teachers said "there's this nifty little binary tree search algorithm which
> neatly avoids the problems we've just been discussing, but I won't clue
> you in on it." Frustrating, no?

A better analogy is this: "There's a new algorithm that solves these
problems, but it uses a data structure too complex to explain fully in the
time we have left in this class, and it does not really expand on the
general principles of algorithm design that are the real goal of this
class.  If you want the reference, speak to me later."  The teacher is
telling his class that the information exists, but choosing not to cover
it.  A teacher cannot teach everything there is to know, and one class
cannot encompass everything to be known about a topic.  A teacher is a
guide; his job is to provide a beginning so that the student may pursue his
further interests on his own.

One should expect SCA classes to be different from mundane university
lectures: We are trying to accomplish very different goals.  We learn by
re-creating.  Most SCA classes don't take that into account: They follow
the mundane scholastic pattern and simply impart information.  As Cariadoc
pointed out in the beginning of this conversation, they are usually taught
from a mundane, 20th century perspective: This is how they did it in
period.  Teaching classes in persona makes the class part of the SCA,
rather than an outside source of information which can be used in the SCA:
This is what I do.  Not everyone will enjoy that approach to teaching, and
some people may get less out of it than they would get from a standard
mundane-style lecture, but I don't see the point of comdemning this
approach.  That seems to illustrate a lack of understanding of the
teacher's goals.

===========================================================================
Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
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From: jeffs@math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki)
Subject: pasta
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:03:59 GMT


Lin Yin Ho asks:

>About pasta...  Is it a fourth-grade-geography hangover, or did Marco
>Polo really bring back and popularize the idea of noodles from China?

I've heard this same story, in _both_ directions.  However, there's
something that feels wrong about it, since there are enormous
differences in the way Easterners and Westerners _eat_ noodles.  For
example, no proper Italian would ever think of a plate of spaghetti as
being a real meal.

It was probably a case of independent inventions; contrary to PC
beliefs, it _does_ occur.

Fujimoto
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 10:26:26 EDT
From: Therion <HZS@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Why Call Light Blows?

While discussing the concept of "any shot that hits clean is good",
Kwellend-Njal asks:

>As for Lord Jonathan's proposal, this is, I believe, exactly the rule
>the Tuchux's use in their combat.  Any contact is effective.  One of the
>Tuchux on the Rialto want to confirm that?

I'm not sure if any of our furry friends hang out here (except for Conan, who
tells me that he's a regular lurker [and nobody better laugh - he's big enough
to use that name!]), so I'll answer for them.  When fighting under their rules,
the Tuchux calibrate as if they were wearing *no* armor at all. And it's not
hard to see why, considering what some of them consider armor ...

>I think I would be interested in seeing this done as an experiment and
>perhaps as a reminder, but I don't think I would like it to become the
>norm.

Agreed.

What might make more sense  is to go to an MSR-style rule of armor worn. Light
brigantine protects somewhat, chain protects against cuts but not impact, plate
protects very well, plastic doesn't exist therefore a fighter in full plastic
takes shots as if they are naked. The biggest problem I can see with this style
(besides having to revamp my all-plastic Woods armor :), is that in the SCA
your armor tends to upscale with your rank and abilities. This would leave us
with new fighter Tyro in his pickle-bucket armor very frustrated with fighting
Sir Dude, who is wearing full plate.  Anyone see any solutions to this?

                                                  Therion

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
     internet:        ||    Therion Calgate     || I once convinced Zenon of
 hzs@psuvm.psu.edu    ||   Warlord of House     || the Tuchux to wear full
                      ||       Decadence        || plate - for about three
 I deny saying that   || Mountain Confederation || minutes.
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From: lawbkwn@buacca.BITNET (Yaakov HaMizrachi)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Name and phone # of EK Bardic College
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:25:30 GMT
Organization: The Internet


Greetings good gentles, I am in need of some assistance.
I am trying to contact the head of the EK college of Bards.
If someone could email me her name and phone #, I would
be most grateful.  I should like to personally invite
her to our upcomming Bardic event, and ask her
to spread the news of this event through whatever
channel the College posseses.
In Service,
Yaakov
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 08:07:05 EDT
From: <00030929@ysub.ysu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Persona

Greetings, all assembled, from Vajk

Graydon writes:
   "What finally occured to me is that a persona is a (very) useful way to
    organize information."

A wonderful, to the point, way of putting it.

Vajk
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From: sprehns@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Subject: Re: Horde, Money, Camping
Reply-To: sprehns@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:25:27 GMT

In article <702699992.F00002@ocitor.fidonet>, Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring) writes:
>
>WHo else has two-day events?  We'll sometimes have tourneys both days, and a final court afterwards to hand out Sunday's prizes.  I'm curious whether any of the more northern groups do this. I know the Midrealm didn't when I was there, save for rare occasions.
>
>- Vashti
>
>
> * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)


The Barony of Nordskogen (Twin Cities, MN) holds an event over the Fourth of
July weekend.


				Ilya Mstislavich
				Shire of Strikkenwood
				Midrealm

Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: CDOHERTY@SUVM.BITNET
Subject: (none)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:41:19 GMT

please cancel my subscription to the SCA Digest.  Thanks!

                                          Cathy Doherty
From: 71431.426@compuserve.COM ("Kevin H. Payne")
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: They got me...
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:47:05 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Twas in Far Reaches that bold and distant Shire
On an April Eve when gentles gathered there
Twas when Comar, mighty King of Midrealm brave
On his progress came with his Queen, Lisa fair.
And their servant, he a bard and herald too,
For his first Court Royal stood forth to call the folk
From the hands of King and Queen receive their due
So this herald-bard in strong voice spoke.

He was joined upon the dias by another lord,
Kindly Aidan, pursuivant of Jaravellir
And the names of all the honored ones he called
Gentles all applaud his speech and skill.
But then Aidan touched the herald-bard's shoulder
"Step you down, I'm pulling rank" he says
So confused the herald-bard did move aside
Heard himself called forth, knelt before his lieges.

An award of arms upon him was bestowed
And kind Aidan gave the scroll to Lisa's hand.
Then the Queen did smile and look upon the bard
So to gasps of all she said: "I've changed my mind." 
With a nod to Aidan, he began to read
Praising bard's kindness (you should have seen his face!)
Glorifiying all the music he has made
Thus presenting him the mark of the Doe's Grace!

In his joyful weariness and pride
Nikolai the bard bowed head and cried.

Yet Their Majesties with him were not yet through
Gave a string of amber to this Russian bard
They invited him into their household too
All these things for grace and music were reward.
Then he rose, returned to take his place
Kindly Aidan offered there to let him rest.
But the bard wished much to give the next award
To a lady whom he loved, who knew him best.

And he summoned then the one who had once been his wife
So he strove on, acquitted him with joyfulness.
Twas in Far Reaches that bold and distant Shire
Thus my tale is now come to a happy end.


*******

Do forgive, my lords and ladies, a little tooting of my own horn.  I am proud
and happy, honored and uplifted.

In regard to the poem, it is an attempt at imitating the rhythmic style (though
perhaps not the linguistic content) of some of the Russian byliny.

Blessings to you and yours this Palm Sunday!

Lord Nikolai Kyrilovich
Bard to the Dragon Thrones
Pursuivant Far Reaches
From: jtn@nutter.cs.vt.edu (Terry Nutter)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re:  name loophole
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:56:47 GMT
Followup-To: jtn@vtopus.cs.vt.edu
Organization: SCA

Dear Branwen, you ruin all my illusions.  "Moonunit of Caid"?  No.
"Moonunit of the West," the daughter of a "simple, country troubador."
It just fits too well :-).

Hossein
From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: ...seeing the same poeple at events
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 21:08:46

Well, Sir Alan, events in an area tend to pull from that area (which is I think why there are sometimes regional limits on events scheduling on the same weekend), so you see a lot of the same faces in Rivenstar or in Mynydd Seren, but different ones if you brave the drive to Dragonsmark (I htink that's the name of the Lexington KY group??? or was that the name of the Ball I attended there??) or to Scraeling Athling (Ottowa, Ontario).... 

I'm always amazed to attend an event in Northkeep (Tulsa, OK) and see folks there from Stargate (Houston, TX)  -- it's a 4.5 to 6 hour drive for me (well, the brigde was out and there was this detour last time...) and they have at least that far a drive to the Steppes, about halfway there!  And the Northkeep folk are always happy that we travelled so far to see them!  Of course, when there are $38 round trip airfares available, some Ansteorrans travel in style.  It does make it difficult to bring armor or 



camping gear, tho... Not impossible, just difficult...

(((Actually this post is an excuse to say Hi, and how is Lady Tabitha and the ever cute Bethie???)))

-- Vashti of the Flaming Tresses


 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
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From: rday@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E Day)
Subject: Re: Why Call Light Blows?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:58:13 GMT

In article <9040251@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> dlc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dennis Clark) write
s:
>grs07071@runt.appstate.edu writes:
>>contact shall be counted as telling.  This would have the effect of removing
>>the psychological urge to swing harder and harder after hearing repeated
>>'light's called.  Thus hopefully removing any urge to swing hard at all, whic
>>would be a GREAT benefit.

( ... )

>I prefer the idea of allowing chivalry to shine, let the thugmeister weebles
>show out, they only hurt themselves and their reputations.  Besides, no rule
>can eliminate the insatiable need to win at all costs.

( ... )

>>Excessive force, I agree, is a problem.  I would like to know if this is a
>>means to a solution.
>
>  Doubt it.  The worst case of weebles and thugmeisters come from a need to
>win, not a need to calibrate.  Some people just berserk on the field.

Whenever you pass a "law" there are (IMHO) three reactions to that "law"(this
could be a governmental law, or a club rule)

1) people will follow the spirit of the law,
2) people will follow the letter of the law, but get around the spirit of the
   law through loopholes,
3) people will not follow the law at all.

Honest people follow the first,
Dishonest go for the second,
Criminals take the third.

If you try to close the loopholes(in our case, by making more rules/ 
conventions), the honest people will still follow the spirit of the law,
the dishonest will still find loopholes, and the criminals will still not
follow the rules. The result is that you are attacking the symptoms, not the 
cause of the problem.
-- 
If the price that I must pay to obtain my *  Robert E. Day/Syr Otto von    *
freedom, is to acknowledge that the Gov-  *  Schwartzkatz, Shire Mugmort   *
ernmet was granted the power to infringe  *  Barony Middle Marches,        *
on them, then I am not free. Paul Anderson*  Middle Kingdom                *
From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: SCA in fiction - need help
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:55:00 -0500

Geoffrey de la Iglesia (jhitch@crash.cts.com (Jeffrey Hitchin)) writes:

 JH> I am compiling a list of SCA references in fiction.  So far, the only
 JH> books I know of are the following:

 JH> The Unforgiving Minutes  Mary Monica Pulver
 JH>  (References here and there)
 JH> Murder at the War/Knight Fall Mary Monica Pulver
 JH>  (Everybody should know what this is)
 JH> Ashes to Ashes   Mary Monica Pulver
 JH>  (References here and there)
 JH> Original Sin   Mary Monica Pulver
 JH>  (References here and there)
 JH> Bimbos of the Death Sun  Sharyn McCrumb
 JH>  (one line)
 JH> Highland Laddie Gone  Sharyn McCrumb
 JH>  (one VERY funny line)

 JH> I appreciate any help.  Thank you.

Wasn't there a reference in "Dream Park" by Niven & Pournelle?
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: I've been in the SCA too long
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:29:49 GMT
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Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <1992Apr8.212153.6603@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> kenm@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (...Jose) writes:
>
>	I'm still hoping that someone will demonstrate to me that this
>"Duke Sir Master Lord Chuck" business in grounded in more-or-less period
>practice, and not just mundane aggradisement.  Any takers yet?

I'm afraid I haven't a clue whether it's period or not.  I know where the
SCA got it from, back in AS single-digit days: from Randall Garrett's
[Master Randall of Hightower] Lord Darcy stories, wherein a knight is
Sir Andrew and a Master Sorceror is Master Sean and a Master Sorceror
who is also a knight is Master Sir James.  I never thought to ask Randall
whether it was period or not, and it's too late now.

Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Disclaimer: This is the Cozzarelli Lab's account, not mine--but I don't
think anybody else ever reads it.
From: dovecote@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Simon Sherrin)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re : Travel Distances
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:19:53 GMT
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix


-- 
=============================================================================
From Simon Sherrin              = Per il Contraio
dovecote@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au  = 
=============================================================================
From: dgreen@thor (David Greenebaum)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Mundane Name Loophole
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:45:26 GMT
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Greetings to the Rialto from Bjalfi!

Arval writes:
>                               I think that most of us expect people to
>improve their outward appearance over their SCA-lifetime, and to look more
>medieval.  Why is one's name different?  I realize that names are closely
>tied to identity, and that it is a bother to change one's SCA name (though
>less than most people would believe).

I think you've answered your own question, milord.  A name _is_ an identity.
When I am Bjalfi, I am not (or at least, I try not to be) David.  One event,
I was Benvolio.  I was MOST DEFINITELY not Bjalfi then.  If you've been in the
SCA for a while, you've improved your garb, etc., you still may not want to
change your name, because too much of _you_ is tied up in that name.  Garb,
or armor, carries much less of one's identity with it.  I can wear a grotty
tabard and jeans; or a wonderfully embroidered tunic, bias-cut hose, goatskin
shoes and a satin cloak, and I'll still be Bjalfi.  But I can't call myself
Benvolio and still be Bjalfi.

---------------------  Bjalfi Thordharson/College of St. Katherine/Province of
 |\  | |\  |\  |// |       the Mists/Principality of the Mists/West Kingdom
 | > | |\\ | \ |/  |   David Greenebaum/University of California/Berkeley, CA
 |<  | | \ |   |   |   dgreen@athena.berkeley.edu, dgreen@garnet.berkeley.edu
 | > | |   |   |   |
 |/  | |   |   |   |   "I make mistakes, but I am on the side of good -- by
---------------------  accident and happenchance." -- the Golux
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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re:  Pasta
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:46:58 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Cariadoc quoted:

> "While we're on the subject of bread, does anyone know whether 
> pasta is period, or have any sort of sources for early (ca. 1200) 
> cooking in northern Italy (specifically Venice)?" (Alexander of Kiev)
> 
> I have a 13th or 14th century Venetian cookbook (in the original
> language). Interested in translating it?
> 
> Pasta is period in both Islamic and European cooking. 

There was a delightful article on pasta in western European medieval
cooking published in the Pikestaff Arts & Sciences edition a few months
ago.  I'm sure Ellisif can provide copies to anyone interested.

===========================================================================
Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
From: jtthorp@hubcap.clemson.edu (J. T. Thorpe)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Contacts in Drachenwald
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:32:24 GMT
Organization: Clemson University
Organizations:  Canton of Falcon Cree, Barony of Notting Hill Coill

Unto the dwellers of the Rialto doth Elwood Wayward give greetings and
salutations!

I have news both good and ill from the Canton of Falcon Cree.  Our
Minister of Arts will be leaving us sometime in June or August(the bad
news.)  He shall be sorely missed, but his reason for leaving Falcon
Cree has us rejoicing in his good fortune.  He has gotten a scholarship
to study in Germany!  Unfortunately, he doesn't know exactly *where* in
Germany he will be.

So, at his request, I am trying to find names of contacts in
Drachenwald.  The only thing we know for sure is that he will be in
Germany.   Would some kind soul please contact me via e-mail with a few
names this young man can contact when he arrives in Germany?

My thanks to you for your attention.

Yours in service,

Elwood Wayward (formerly, the Lost)
(mka: J.T.Thorpe,  email: jtthorp@hubcap.clemson.edu)


-- 
J.T.Thorpe		    * "Remember! The world can be saved by steam!"
Clemson University          *  	-- Prof. Johann Steamhead
Dept. of Computer Science   *  If we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be
(803)656-2841 (803)653-5535 *  called RESEARCH!  -- ??
From: U254@sysm.acs.virginia.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Absurd wars
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:19:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet


Unto the good folk of the Rialto from Landon of Wulfkeep, greetings!

   Vashti of the Flaming Tresses relates the tale of the 'Mustache
Wars'.  I am pleased that the tale has a happy ending.  Many years
ago (when what is now the Kingdom of Atlantia was the un-named and
sparsely populated southern part of the East), two neighboring
baronies thought to go to war.  So much unpleasantness and bad
feeling arose that the whole idea was allowed to die.  The 'reason'
for the war?  The Baron of one barony and the Baroness of the other
appeared in court wearing identical houpelands!  Amazing what people
can take seriously if they're so inclined (SIGH).

Yours in service --

   Landon of Wulfkeep                 Landon Falls
   Isenfir, Atlantia                  Charlottesville, Virginia, USA