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From: Healy@space50.nrl.navy.mil
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking,misc.consumers.house
Subject: hardwood floor repair
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:01:53 GMT
Reply-To: <Healy@space50.nrl.navy.mil>
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory

In article <1993Jan25.020700.5478@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> patter@dasher.cc.bellcore.com (patterson,george r) writes:
> In article <C1A178.G92@ra.nrl.navy.mil> <Healy@space50.nrl.navy.mil> writes:
> >
> >Why is subflooring necessary?  Can't one nail it to the joists like
> >the original board?  Basically I don't see the difference between 
> >the original board and the replacement except the latter is missing
> >the bottom of the groove, and it doesn't seem like subflooring would
> >make any difference.  Or am I missing something?
> 
> The tongue & groove method locks one board to another to form a basically
> solid mass. One board cannot bend without its neighbors also bending. Now,
> if you remove the bottom piece of the groove in the new board, there's
> nothing below the tongue in the old one next to it to keep it from moving
> downwards - except the subfloor. If you don't have a subfloor, 3/4 inch
> oak can bend as much as 1/8" in between 16" joists with a small man (me,
> for example) on it. A heavy person can crack it. And, believe me, 1/8"
> is enough to make you very nervous about stepping there.
> 
> If you want to see how this feels, take a piece of 1xwhatever and lay it
> across two 2xwhatevers and step on it.
> 
> Anyway, it shouldn't be a problem. The only place I have seen flooring
> put down without a subfloor is attic or dormer bedrooms.
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Thanks for the comments I've received on this (2 posts, 1 mail).  My
house, built in 1908, has pine (heart) everywhere and no subflooring
anywhere.  There are pieces missing from boards that previous owners
have filled with something (Plastic Wood?) and then waxed over.  It
looks real ugly.  I would like to replace the boards someday.  Is there
an acceptable way to do this without subflooring?

Liam Healy
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
From: mcovingt@aisun2.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Subject: Baby circular saw
Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:31:06 GMT

A couple of days ago I picked up, at a pawn shop for $10, the smallest
and lightest circular saw I've ever seen.  It's a Black and Decker 
"5 1/2 er" and weighs about four pounds, i.e., about half the weight
of a normal 5 1/2-inch trim saw. 

Naturally, it isn't very powerful, but with a fresh Piranha blade it
has no trouble cutting through a yellow pine 2x4 at a fair speed.

It's battle-worn and vibrates noticeably more than my good Skilsaw, but
it seems usable.  I want to get a plywood blade for it and use it for cuts
in paneling and the like.

Is anyone familiar with this model?  Can anybody tell me how old it is?
Any experiences to relate?  vendors of blades?  (The 5 1/2-inch pickings
were mighty slim at the local Lowe's: basically, a 16-tooth Piranha and
a plain steel one with about the same number of teeth.)

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Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
From: jeffs@elsie.nci.nih.gov (Jeffrey Alan Silverman)
Subject: Re: Drill press recomendations
Summary: drill press recomendations
Keywords: drill press
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:02:03 GMT



Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
From: rdc@world.std.com (Ralph D Clifford)
Subject: Re: Clamps for a workbench
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:58:36 GMT

In article <WOODWORK%93012509522987@IPFWVM.BITNET> Bob Pelcovits
<PH500000@BROWNVM.BITNET> writes:

>What kind of clamps do people recommend for clamping large pieces to a
>workbench so that the long side is free for sanding or shaping?  I know
>about the "double" clamps that hold a workpiece and clamp to the bench,
>but they will grab the long side of a rectangular piece. I want, for
>example, to be able to rout a rabbet on the long side and have the edge
>guide of my router ride along unobstructed. Thanks,

     I use one of two methods for this.  Most typically, I use one of the
foam pads.  Most times, this holds the wood sufficiently for work with a
router, sander, etc.  If I need a firmer grip, I use the bench dogs.


-- 
Ralph Clifford
rdc@world.std.com (Internet)
From: panageas@protocol.zycad.com (Sam Panageas - 8/7/92)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: ski gif pictures
Keywords: gif
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:56:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: beer.1k4fioINNkv
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Distribution: world
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Does anyone know of or have any good ski pictures in gif format?


 
                Sam Panageas 
     VOICE:     (201) 347-7900 ext. 3189
  INTERNET:     panageas@protocol.zycad.com
From: cj797@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher S. Char)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Ski Area Information
Date: 28 Jan 1993 11:59:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


If anybody wants the conditions of any ski area in the US, you
can telnet to nessie.cc.wwu.edu.  Login is LIBS.
Select 4 (Database and Information Retreival)
Select 6 (Weather/Time/Earthquake)
Follow the instructions.
Hit enter once you logon.  The process from here on is self
explanatory.  There is a menu and just select Ski Area Conditions.
I don't remember which number it is exactly.

The conditions are given for basically ever ski area in the 
state that you select.  Enjoy

-- 
--
Christopher S Char                  Piano players ALWAYS
cj797@cleveland.freenet.edu         have the best fingers.
From: cspas154@sus.edu.eur.nl (Freek Oosterom)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Conditions in Saalbach-Hinterglemm wanted!
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:16:55 GMT
Organization: EUR

Does anyone know something about the conditions in Saalbach-Hinterglemm,
Austria at this moment. (I'm leaving tomorrow)

Thanks,

Freek Oosterom
Erasmus University of Rotterdam
cspas154@sus.edu.eur.nl

-- 
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|  Freek Oosterom                |  `Even the worst day of skiing  |
|  Erasmus University Rotterdam  |   is better then                |
|  cspas154@sus.edu.eur.nl       |   the best day of work'         |
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:40:02 -0500 
From: "Harold S. Lessure" <hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Skiing: goggles, glasses and FOG!


In a search for fog inhibitor, %MikeW@canc.byu.edu (M.D. (Mike) Wieda)
said that he heard toothpaste might work...

>tooth-paste: Somewhere I heard that this works as a fog inhibitor, but I
             haven't tried it yet

BEWARE OF USING TOOTHPASTE...many have abrasives that will badly scratch or
ruin your goggle lenses.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: zod@ncube.com (Operator)
Subject: Question on bend skis, turns
Reply-To: zod@ncube.com
Organization: nCUBE Corp., Foster City, CA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:37:42 GMT

Well, I had the hardest fall ever last Sunday.
I bent my Volkl P10's :(. Are the bent skis repairable, and
is it worth repairing? Or once they are bent, they will bend
again easily?

I was skiing through slush, changing from one foot to another,
and all of a sudden on one turn, the slush pulled me away from
the direction that I was aiming for. I had the hardest fall ever.
And bent my skis:(. Then I was told I have to use both skis in those
conditions. I guess I want to know, how the hell you can turn with
both skis? Does that mean that I would have to do less unweighting
on the uphill ski? Or unweight it early in the turn and weight it
right away?

---



Captain Zod...
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com (bob geer)
Subject: Re: Storm Restriction, Deer Valley, Utah
Reply-To: bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:27:01 GMT

klaus@ced.utah.edu (Klaus Biggers,MEB 3140b,581-6499) writes:
>Separation of church and state in Utah is about two blocks.

Even closer since telephones were installed...
-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>   bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com     (this *should* work)   <>
<>     cola-zombie <>   speaking only for myself, one of my many tricks   <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>    "We must strive to be more than we are, Lal."    <>
<>          Ootah  <>           -- Cmdr. Data, learning schmaltz          <>
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: John_McKercher@mindlink.bc.ca (John McKercher)
Subject: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:42:26 GMT

> David G. Simmons writes:
>
> I'm not advocating everybody skiing in helmets mind you.  Actually, both of
> these yahoos were skiing out of control when they bought it.  I think maybe
> ski patrol should tighten up a bit on the "Ski out of control, lose your
> pass
> or ticket" rule that exists most places.  If we could cut down on the
> number
> of OOCYs (Out Of Control Yahoos), we wouldn't *need* helmets, or this
> discussion.


I know that this is already happening at one local mountain that gets quite
crowded. The patrol has been told to increase their watch for people who ski
with no regard for other people's safety. And they have begun revoking passes
and escorting people off the hill. It's not a very nice job if you are the
patroller, but I'd much rather prevent an accident than attend one...

Rumour has it that we will be told to get tougher at our mountain as well,
especially people who ski runs that are closed or ski out of bounds. Probably
because we have had one fatality already this year because of someone skiing
out of bounds.


John

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David G. Simmons)
Subject: Re: New Mexico snow/ski report
Originator: davids@feynman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:48:07 GMT


In article <1jk7t6INNo73@lynx.unm.edu>, dlawren@salsa.abq.bdm.com (David P. Lawrence) writes:
|> 
|> New Mexico ski/snow report for 1/20/93:
|> 
|>             Base('')       New(24hrs)      New
|> Taos          90              4             8 storm
|> Purgatory     85              6            26 week
|> Ski Apache    56              8            12 storm
|> Santa Fe     122              5            22 week
|> Sandia        64              2            12 week
|> Angel Fire    70              7            16 week
|> Red River     65              ?              ?
|> 
   Pajarito     70-90                         12 week

-- 
David G. Simmons	"New Mexico...Land of the flea,
davids@lanl.gov 	 Home of the Plague..."
-- 
David G. Simmons	"New Mexico...Land of the flea,
davids@lanl.gov 	 Home of the Plague..."
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: K2
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 19:54:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.181105.28938@ncar.ucar.edu>
chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu writes:
>We just saw the movie "Alive", it had stellar scenery.  I don't
>know where it was filmed, but I would guess some combination of
>Andes & BC.

I've heard the Bugaboos for BC.  I saw the first film.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov (Leo Dagum)
Subject: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:03:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.133323.28257@bmerh85.bnr.ca> paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.021800.15842@nas.nasa.gov>, eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>|> In article <1993Jan22.005440.10469@wam.umd.edu> bgohari@wam.umd.edu
>|> (Babak Gohari) writes:
>|> Helmets: that frequently raised topic:
>|> >I think that the main reason people don't where helmets is because it looks
>|> >stupid, or un-macho, or whatever you call it.  Probably where bicycle helmets
>|> >used to be a few years ago.
>|> 
>|> Oh yeah, I think we are all aware, and I think we all ultimately figure that
>|> helmets will be required for skiing as well as visors, knee pads,
>|> shin protectors, shoulder pads, Kevlar(tm) vests,
>|> "phased-plasma rifles in da 40 vatt range (said in best Arnie voice),"
>|> and have a litigation lawyer in tow.  I think it's more historical
>|> and economics myself.  You can convince numerous beginners that a speed
>|> skier's helmet is the coolest thing to wear for the cost.
>|> Car drivers, pilots, and others did wear helmets at the start of
>|> those activities, and only wear them to varying degrees these days.
>|> 
>|> Time for a couple more paragraphs in the FAQ on helmets.....
>
>A better solution would be have skiers take lessons from qualified instructors
>so they learn to ski in control and not to ski beyond their ability.  Some
>simple common sense and consideration thrown in for good measure and that 
>should cut down on the number of collisions on the hill!
>
>Cheers...Stuart

This is just too ridiculous.  If you look at the accident statistics for
skiing, it's somewhere between volleyball and table tennis.  Why are we 
talking about "a solution" when there isn't even a problem?  If you're a
paranoid hypochondriac, then go ahead and wear a helmet, but I for one
refuse to have my vision and hearing obstructed by a safety device designed for
people who go straight down empty mountains at very high speeds, this is like
wearing a seatbelt when riding a motorcycle.


Leo Dagum
From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: New Mexico snow/ski report
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:16:31 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <1993Jan21.173344.26340@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett) writes:
>dlawren@salsa.abq.bdm.com (David P. Lawrence) writes:
>
>>New Mexico ski/snow report for 1/20/93:
>
>>            Base('')       New(24hrs)      New
>>Taos          90              4             8 storm
>>Purgatory     85              6            26 week
>
>Something's funny here - I was in Purgatory last week, and they had a ski
>team up from Taos because (they told me) there was so little snow in Taos!

I have seen Taos reporting a base of 100" and then observed bare spots 
with what looked like about an average of 6" packed snow on the expert 
runs on the lower part of the mountain.  On the same day, the base on 
one of the runs on the Ridge seemed bottomless (a pole stuck in handle 
first did not hit anything).  It is entirely possible that Taos had 
excellent skiing in the trees and on some sides of the mountain but 
the conditions might not be suitable for ski team training on the 
slope where they set training courses.  

Taos is big and has a lot of vertical.  It is much cooler on top and 
the sun exposures vary a great deal from run to run.  Its latitude is 
like Tennessee and N. Carolina, so elevation is everything.  Taos also 
measures its snow depth in a place in the trees that is not typical of 
an open run with some sun exposure and is higher than many of the runs. 
Thus the snow settles and packs much less on this site than it does 
where other places measure their depth. 

I have always found this disconcerting, since the midwestern places where 
I grew up skiing would measure adjacent to a slope where the snow depth 
was comparable to the actual packed depth on the run.  

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
From: yuchao@mtu.edu (YUAN-NING  CHAO)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Need skiing info around Upper Michigan.
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:10:18 GMT
Organization: Dept. of ME, Michigan Technological University


Hello rec.skiing netters:

  I am a graduate student at Michigan Tech Univ. I live in Houghton,
Michigan. It is a nice town with heavy snow. 

  I learned how to ski last year at IndianHead of Ironwood, Michigan, but I 
am just a beginner. I have been to IndianHead (Ironwood, MI), Marquette 
Mountain (Marquette, MI), and Mont Ripley (Hancock, MI). I think Mont 
Ripley Ski Hill is too dangerous for me. IndianHead and Marquette Mountain are
OK. However, I wanna try some other ski places around Upper Michigan. 

  So, if anyone know any other good places near Houghton, MI (such as in
Michigan, Wisconsin, or Minnesota), could you just e-mail to me. 
Thanks in advance.


  Edmond Y. N. Chao
  yuchao@mtu.edu
  Dept. of ME
  Michigan Tech. Univ.
From: eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Verbier, Switzerland - conditions in late March?
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:10:46 GMT
Organization: FOA, Linkoping, Sweden

acooper@nuustak.csir.co.za (Antony Cooper) writes:

>Hi All!

>Ideally, I'd like an accurate prediction of the snow conditions, for the
>last two weeks of March, for the area around Verbier in Switzerland, but
>according to the FAQ one should not ask such questions!  :-)

How very true! :-)

>Seriously, though, what are the snow conditions there now? In general,
>would they improve or get worse by the end of March? Living in a hot,
>Southern Hemisphere country, I have no experience with European winters!
>How crowded are the slopes likely to be around that time of the year?

Verbier right now isn't very good. Tho' the condtions could change enormously
til march. The slopes are likely to be rather crowded. You could always drive
to Chamonix (my all-time favourite). Takes about an hour - an hour and a half.

>There has been some discussion here about the merits of radar reflectors
>and radio beacons. I am a rank beginner, having skied only once (at
>Loveland, Colorado), so I will confine myself to the marked pistes. Are
>such devices necessary for a skier such as myself? What about insurance
>to cover the need to be casavaced-off by helicopter?

I don't think you'll need neither beeper nor radar reflector if you stay on the
prepared slopes. There is fun skiing in Verbier when you get up high, to that
plateau at 3000 meter, the name I have naturally forgotten.

cheers
--

     Erik Svensson
    Research Officer            National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
 Guided Weapons Division        Stockholm, Sweden      eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se

"The problem with the future is that it keeps turning into the present"
 -- Hobbes
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Re: JACKSON HOLE INFO WANTED
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Reply-To: nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 09:30:42 GMT

In article <YfM3E5600WB=FLmXI9@andrew.cmu.edu> "Harold S. Lessure" <hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>People were demanding a refund on the cat outings even though they were
>only charging half-price AND...my friends who are pretty much hard to
>convince that those huge broken crust slabs and boot sized death cookies
>aren't just heaven to ski...even they gave up at lunch and just went and
>hit the bar!!
>
>so,...just ask around...if there is good skiing then there will be skiers
>at the Village who will know and divulge...and I understand that it is
>often just great at Targhee...


That country often gets warm in January.  It even has a name:  "The
January Thaw". ...and they are sure not getting very much snow this year.
I think they had more at Thanksgiving last year than they have now.  But
the usually case is that they have powder snow somewhere. ...more often than
not.  And it is not a big surprise for them to have chest deep powder.  Two
and three foot dumps are commom.


                                     NCW
From: panageas@protocol.zycad.com (Sam Panageas - 8/7/92)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: K2 EXTREME skis for sale
Keywords: Skis for sale
Date: 26 Jan 93 05:42:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: badboy.1k3m51INNmav
Reply-To: panageas@protocol.zycad.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Protocol, a Division of ZYCAD Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: badboy.protocol.zycad.com


I have a pair of K2 "EXTREME" skis with GEZE G95 bindings for sale.
They have been used only once.  Great all around ski,  and lot's of
fun in the bumps.  Looking for $460.00 or b.o. for the package.

You can email or call for Sam at work (201) 347-7900
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Places in New England where you can ski to your room?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 1:19:08 EST
From: John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us>

Every few years my family has a big ski reunion.  In recent years we've gone
to Stowe and stayed at the Toll House (now pretentiously called the Inn at
the Mountain.)  It's overpriced and run by obnoxious idiots, but the many
family members who have small kids really like the fact that they can ski in
and out of their rooms, making short forays with small fry practical.

I'm trying to find other places that we can go to next time.  They need to
be in New England or nearby (some aged aunts in New Hampshire couldn't come
if it weren't in driving distance), have decent skiing, decent food, and
ski in and out.  Possibilities I know of include:

	Hotel Jay at Jay Peak
	Mt. Tremblant (requires 2 or 5 day stay, not great for our
		disorganized crowd)

What else can people suggest?  Vermont, New Hampshire and Quebec are
most convenient, Maine and New York are OK.  Personally I'd rather
ski in Quebec where people are nicer, lines shorter, food better, and
you can get poutines, the Gross Snack of the Gods.

Regards,
John Levine
johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us or {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl