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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:31:42 -0500
From:         Ens Alexander W Ellermann <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: tumbleweeds are tumbleweeds

> Alex-
>
> You're reinforcing my point, even if inadvertantly. Anyone who chooses
> military life on the basis of TOP GUN or RED OCTOBER might very well be,
> quite literally, too innocent to live.
>
> kjf-
===========================================================
That may be, & that may have something to do with why the young are so much
more gung-ho about war than older people.  However, military examples were
only the first to spring to mind.  How many policemen, doctors, etc. are out
there because of things they have seen?  If adverstising makes people want
to purchase a certain product, why would a film that makes a particular life-
style look particularly attractive not similarly influence some people?

Lifestyle influences aside, movies also construct our images of How Things Are
in other ways.  My visualizations of, say, life aboard a WW II German submarine
come from Das Boot.  My ideas about the Samurai code come from Akira Kurosawa
films.  Hmm - These are military examples, too.  Well, I guess I chose the
right line of work.  :-)
                                Looking forward to the weekend,
                                                                Alex
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:11:51 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Laserdiscs/Sun Coast

Jim,

Thanks for the update of disc titles, and yes! yes! to Diary of a Lost Girl
and Louise Brooks!!  I have a tape of that release, which I got a year ago
for reviewing it among a set of releases for a library publication, and immed-
iately fell in love with my Miss Brooks (ahem...).  Seriously, she's an amazing
icon of the cinema--one of the most--and I don't know why I haven't seen
Pandora's Box yet.  That one isn't out on disc yet, is it?  Jeff Clark
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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 13:37:51 -0600
From:         CDOMS@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Laserdiscs

I have noticed that some other companies have jumped on the collection
set 'bandwagon'.  That is, following Criterion's lead by including extra
footage, scripts, interviews, sketches etc.

For example, Aliens collector's edition includes taped interview with
Jim Cameron, explaining some of the techniques he used for Aliens.
For example, did you know there were only 6 actors/aliens in the entire
movie?  With creative camera angles and other techniques, he gave the
impression that there were hundreds of aliens.  But if you look at the
film again, sure enough the most aliens you ever see are 6.

All I can say
the more competition in the laserdics field, the better for us whocollect them.

Carol Doms
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Subject: Re: Dracula
Date: 15 Nov 92 18:57:11 GMT
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Ellen:

I saw that sequence in the Dracula starring Bela Lugosi.

On the ship to England, rats were eaten so as to quench the thirst
without causing a stir because of dead people.

As for the assistant, if I recall the storyline, he was given
a taste of Dracula's blood.  This gave him the blood-lust, but he
wasn't made a full vampire.  The result was that he was continually
trying to get the blood of whatever he could and this included
bugs.  He was locked in an asylum in England, where he ate every
spider and fly he could get his hands on.

Json
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:42:49 -0500
From:         Ens Alexander W Ellermann <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: Why Rent K2?

>
> Its the mountain -- man..
>
> Dumb movie, so I say why rent it, eh?  Because it has an
> absolutely stellar Out Of This World trailer for _Kafka_
> out in December!!
>
> -scott
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I was interested in seeing K2 because I'm in to mountaineering & backpacking.
Why do you think it was dumb?  Would you provide a bit more information?
                                        Thanks,
                                                Alex
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:54:00 EST
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Subject: Re: anybody have a count?

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     16-Nov-1992 08:51am EST
                                        From:     Anita F. Colyer
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Subject: re:  anybody have a count?

Joe:

Along those same lines, I heard a brief review of the latest "Dracula" movie on
the radio last week.  They said "It sucks."

I was just wondering, when the topic is vampires, is that good or bad?

:)
Anita
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:54:51 EST
From:         LVISCH00@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Re: Aladdin
              20 Nov 1992 03:03:30 GMT from <torsten@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>

The sneak preview of Aladdin wasn't only in LA and NY.  It played in Lexington,
Kentucky of all places.  So I assume it was played in many places throughout
  the country.
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:50:52 GMT
From:         Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: A Few Good Men

>From: Ens Alexander W Ellermann <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
>
>Though I'm not a Tom Cruise fan, may I recommend seeing
>All the Right Moves and Taps before you pan the guy completely?
>
>They came out before someone told him he was cool, & puts good work into them.

Yes, _Taps_ is a fine movie.  Both Cruise and Sean Penn are very good
in the movie, made the more interesting by casting them somewhat against
type.  We shouldn't let his "reputation" make us forget that Penn is
a very good actor.
                        Liam.
                        ====-
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     KERR AVON    |   Work: ICL,   *   for the dinner table."
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:40:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Laserdiscs

Bert in Sweden:

[My wife, whose family is Swedish, says Hi!]

Laserdiscs usually cost a little more than the least expensive tapes,
but discs of big hit movies are usually much less than the tapes.
Typical US prices:  tapes of older movies, $20-30; of new movies,
either the same or $70-100 if aimed at rental outlets.  Discs:
$25-40.  Note that discs come in two formats, CLV (constant linear
velocity) and CAV (constant angular velocity).  Players can
play both.  CAV is more versitle, but gets less on a disc,
so requires more discs per film and thus costs more.

Criterion has the best reputation in the laserdisc field, always
using the best prints and often adding audio commentary on the
SAP (second audio program).  But, they tend to cost a bit more.

Jim Thompson
Thompson@ucrac1.ucr.edu
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:14:00 CST
From:         jester@IHLPM.ATT.COM
Subject:      Re: Restored THE ABYSS coming out on LD!

>      A friend of mine with a laserdisk player told me the other night
> that the long-awaited *full* version of James Cameron's THE ABYSS will be
> coming out letterboxed on LD in CAV with 37 minutes of restored footage,
> and a batch of behind-the-scenes stuff.  Thank God!

This is rather old news.  I first heard it a few months ago, shortly
after the release of the deluxe ALIENS.  I've also heard that they want
to give the same treatment to TERMINATOR 2.

>      Can a videotape (and theatrical?) release--letterboxing or no--be
> that far behind?

Yes.  It is unlikely they will do a video (or theatrical) release of this
film, for the same reasons they didn't do so for the extended version of
ALIENS.  Sorry.

                            E n r i q u e  C o n t y
                              jester@ihlpm.att.com
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:37:00 ZONE
From:         Ray Hoy <RAY@MCO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Stephen King books/movies

> R208004) with BSMTP id 2757; Fri, 20 Nov 92 13:35:49 EST
>Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:33:46 -0500
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>From:         Ens Alexander W Ellermann <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
>Subject:      Re: Stephen King books/movies
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>In-Reply-To:  Your message of Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:44:00 ZONE
>
>> to it myself. I also expect a hatchet job, as is usual with SK films.
>
>                                                ;-)
>                                                        Alex

Unintentional humor, of course.


Ray Hoy  RAY@MCO.BITNET
Medical College of Ohio
Toledo Ohio
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From: torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Subject: Re:      Re: Help!
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:32:25 GMT

About The Prisioner television series... 
> But there *was* at least one novelization of the series (or an episode, or a
> story plot not told in the set of episodes), which I remember reading a review
> of.  (Quick check in Books in Print.)  Well, I don't find anything in print that
>    's what I'm looking for, though there are a few books with the title The Pris
>    -
> oner, one or two that might be related to this series.  The one I'm thinking
> of was a paperback novelization, around the time of the series (1969-70, prob-
> able publication), and for some reason I remember distinctly it was reviewed
> by noted SF writer Thomas Disch in Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction
> (I think he liked the novel and definitely liked the series).  But that's all
> I can recall.  Maybe someone else knows who the novelist was, and whether there
> have been a whole series, with a couple still in print.  Jeff Clark

DC Comics published a Prisioner graphic novel a few years ago.  I believe there
is a fairly new reference source in print.  I would ask people at Science 
Fiction conventions, and there might even be a newsgroup out there.

Torsten at Omaha

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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 09:27:20 -0400
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: tumbleweeds are tumbleweeds

>If adverstising makes people want to purchase a certain product,
>why would a film that makes a particular life-style look particularly
>attractive not similarly influence some people?
>My visualizations of, say, life aboard a WW II German submarine
>come from Das Boot... Well, I guess I chose the right line of work.  :-)
>                                Looking forward to the weekend,
>                                                                Alex

Sure, it happens all the time...latest studies show, etc etc. My point
is, joining the Navy after seeing DAS BOOT is a clear-eyed choice, but
joining with images of RED OCTOBER glowing in your adolescent skull marks
you as a member of what Mencken called "the booboisie."  Even the average
halfbright eight-year-old has noticed that the Wizard is just an old geezer
behind a curtain.

But enough of this. We're dangerously close to what George Will calls
"committing sociology." You're right ... let's take a few days off to
clear the cobwebs with cranberry jelly, and other assorted diuretics.

kjf, ex-USAF
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:41:45 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Detective parody films

Rick,
One more that pops immediately to mind is PEEPER (1974 or 5), with Michael
Caine.  This was set in early forties LA, and is really a spoof.  Directed
by the variable Peter Hyams, and written by W.D. (Buckaroo Bonzai) Richter.
Jeff Clark
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Subject: Re: The Abyss
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:32:54 GMT
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>Big Deal!!! It wasn't even a good film.

Although you may not have liked the film.  The Abyss in theatrical released
is a flawed film.  More so, because of the editing required to make movie
houses "happy" by making a shorter film, so they could show it more offen.

I was at the World Science Fiction convention in Boston, where they were
showing up coming films clips in the genre of horror, sf and fantasy.
A representative of Cameron's group, told the audience that he was
forced to cut the 17 minutues out of the film.  And was asked to
cut it down again, hence the movie lost it Climax scenes to the cutting
board.

That is why those of us who are either fans of Cameron movies and/or
the Abyss are excited.  I also recommend that folks who did like the
movie, check out the novelization, done by Orson Scott Card.  When you
read the book, you realized what a crime the film industry did to this
picture, IMHO.

Sigh.  Prehaps if the Abyss came out after Dances with Wolves, it
might have been seen in the theater as Cameron intended.

Carol Doms
University of Missouri-Kansas City
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:00:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Ellen, Cruise or Hulce

It's not odd that Cruise replaced Hulce. Cruise is a much
more bankable star than Hulce. Remember when Michele Pfeiffer
replaced Kathy Bates in Frankie & Johnny. As much as I like
Michelle, she was terribly miscast in that movie. So was Pacino.
My choice for AFGM would have been Val Kilmer. As for Demi Moore's
part - Jodie Foster or Rebecca De Mornay. It's probably too small a
part for Foster. De Mornay, I know, you referred to as mediocre, and
I disagree. She may be accused of appearing in several mediocre films
but if she were given the roles offered to Foster and others, I believe
she's capable. Any De Mornay defenders out there? How about Val Kilmer
supporters? How about other suggestions?
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:03:46 -0400
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: tumbleweeds are tumbleweeds

>She did not realize that movies are where many people get their ideas
>about  How Things Are.

Aw c'mon. She knows it perfectly well. Moviemakers are crass, not dumb.

>They're not trying to make documentaries in Hollywood, but many people
>... futilely measure the quality of their lives with a creation that
>the filmmakers know is totally unrealistic.

Caveat Emptor. Anyone who measures his life against the movies
is too innocent to live. I suppose there may have been some ancient
Hellenes who considered their lives drab compared with all the fun
Hector, Achilles, Odysseus and the rest of that gang were having --
but I imagine most enjoyed it as a rousing good yarn. If life were
like art, we wouldn't need art.

kjf-
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:50:09 -0500
From:         "Ellen.Edgerton" <EBEDGERT@SUADMIN.BITNET>
Subject: Thanks. Got help.

Thanks everyone.  I got help.  I apologize for irritating you
all (if I did) with my request ("I Need Help. Really")
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:25:55 -0500
From:         Michelle Lehman <MICHELLE@ORTTA.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Dracula twice

I forwarded the comments about Dracula to a friend of mine and here's
what she had to say about it.

> ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
> From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P%LUCCPUA.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>

> I saw Dracula again and my feelings haven't changed. It's an
> overproduced, incoherent, badly acted film. For those who've seen
> it, will someone please try to explain the ff. - Why did Dracula
> buy all those properties in London? What motivates him to turn into
> an old man, a young man, a wolf, a monster? The movie shows one of
> Lucy's suitors, who's a junkie, shooting up but doesn't bring it up
> again the rest of the film. During the blood transfusions between
> Lucy and her suitors, wasn't there a risk of being infected? And
> what is this thing called Keanu Reeves?


Dracula was buying properties all around London so he could be free
to move around to various places without losing his strength.  To
recover strength, Dracula had to return to his castle.  He grew
weak when he was away from the castle.  He was transporting earth
from the castle to these properties to be able to gain strength from
these places also.  The situation dictates whether he will be a old or
young man, a wolf or monster.  If he needs blood, he changes
accordingly, if he is trying to woo his love, he is young.  The
shooting up incident is a commentary on gaining "happiness"
unnaturally: vampires suck blood to continue their lives, junkies
shoot morphine; in the end, both have to have their poison (blood,
morphine) but neither brings happiness.  Yes, if the blood was pumped
accidently from Lucy to her suitors, but it didn't happen.  Keanu
Reeves' acting did seem forced and unnatural in this film, I have seen
better efforts from him.  As for the other actors, I feel that they
did an excellent job.  The cinematography was great.  Although I have
only seen the film once, I plan on going again.
-LJB

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* Michelle Lehman                 |           michelle@ortta.umn.edu *
* University of Minnesota         |                  Minneapolis, MN *
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:40:16 -0600
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Dracula

Coppola's "Dracula" seems destined for the rococo hall of fame.  When I
saw the film I felt as if I had stumbled into a montage of Filmmaking
101 clips...everything you always wanted to do with a camera but were
too embarrassed (or underfinanced) to try.  This was a feature right out
of "theatre of the absurd."  Winona seemed lost and Gary Oldman was
wasted.  But Anthony Hopkins made the most of his minutes on screen.
  In spite of its many flaws, it was rather entertaining
in a MST 3K sort of way.

j-man

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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:59:34 -0400
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Windshields

> In THE GODFATHER, the toll booth ambush...
>the bullet ridden car has a perfectly intact
>windshield even though we saw it being pulverized.

"Why a gaffe?", as Chico might have said. As I recall,
Santino parks directly between two booths, and all the
shooting is from the side. Ergo, no busted windshield.

kjf-
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:09:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Abyss

Big Deal!!! It wasn't even a good film.
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:46:41 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: _The Dead Zone_

John,

Thanks for the clarification re DEAD ZONE the movie and the novel--blank spot
vs. tumor.  I don't know why Cronenberg changed it, but can only toss out this
half-baked ('cause I'm not ready to think it through his other films) hunch:
C may'be been attracted to the metaphorical aspect of the change.  Blank spot
fit better and produced a resonance.  Never mind any pseudo-scientific prop that
   a tumor would provide.  Maybe he thought, being organic and in his usual
obsessive ballpark, he wanted to reserve tumor only where it could be maximally
wrung for thematic resonance and signifance.

Or am I sounding completely wha--?! and off the wall today?  Jeff Clark
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From: torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Subject: Re:      Re: BEHIND THE
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:24:07 GMT

        " writes:
> > Can anyone tell me why Wayne's World had such a success in the U.S.???
> > It came to Mexico as a two-thumbs-up movie and IMHO it was dreadful.
> >
> > Jorge   *:`)
> 
> I think Wayne's World succeeded here because most of the jokes were easily
> recognizable jests about U.S. popular culture.  That could explain well why
> it did not translate well into your market.  --Sorry to use the dreaded "T"
> word.

The French version appears to have done a better job of translating American 
cultural references into French cultural references.  I have not seen the 
movie, and thought that while WW can be commended for exposing a new 
generation to Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody, that the soundtrack video was awful
(WW intercut with the original film by Queen).

Torsten at Omaha
 
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