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From: bm562@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard L. Trionfo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Eagles' wings clipped, mouths run free
Date: 16 Nov 1992 18:28:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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   The one horror of attending a university in Philadelphia is
the constant mention of the Eagles over every other sports story.
Since the Eagles have gone from Super Bowl champs after Week 4
to an iffy contender at 6-4, the Eagles have been talking up a 
storm.  Has anyone seen Buddy Ryan lurking in the grassy knoll
in the Vet parking lot.  These guys sound like it is 1987 all
over again with the mouth of Kentucky as head coach.
I'll admit that Rich Kotite can pass for a valium poster child
at times, but he is doing a good job.  
   The major culprit of the frothing at the mouth is Seth 
Joyner, the self appointed analyst of the Iggles.  He is so 
quick to condemn the special teams earlier in the season, then
he will blame the loss of Jerome Brown and the injury to Andre
Waters, and most recently blaming the play calling of Rich
Kotite with 1 minute to go in regulation.  Do you think Seth
realizes the defense which went a year without giving up 100
yards rushing to a team has done it twice in 3 weeks, to Dallas
and Green Bay.  Emmitt Smith gained 163 yards, the first person
in 50+ games to do so.  Green Bay gained 410 yards (6.8 yds/play)
against the Philadelphia media proclaimed best defense in 
football.  
   I admit the offense couldn't score on a first and goal from 
the one foot line against Dallas (game 2), Phoenix (game 2), and
Washington, but when the defense gives up that many yards to 
Green Bay, an OK offense because of Sterling Sharpe, the offense
is not to blame because they did enough to win the game, even
though the Packers gave them their last touchdown on 2 40+ yard
pass interference calls.  
  It would be nice for the Eagles to stop bitching about a 
strategy of running out the clock to go to OT because there
is still faith in the ability of the defense to hold for one
series, if necessary.  There appeared to be some unity this
year, but it looks like Herschel Walker has brought the Vikings
"We are a dysfunctional family" locker room to Philadelphia.
I am not blaming him, but last year there was no outward
moaning about the team.  Do you think that it is because
they are not the overwhelmingly dominating team of 1991 who 
was responsible for the success.  This year both sides of the
team have to do their job to win.  
                     Rich
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN P. GLORIA)
Subject: FINAL - NINERS WIN!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 00:20:04 GMT

FINAL:
Niners 27  Rams 10  

Watters was magnificent. Watters ran and caught the ball.
Watters has developed into great running back for the
Niners type of offense. He can run and catch the ball.
Watters had 26 carries 163 yards: 2 TDs.

The second half ended with  Niners  10  Rams  0

In the 2nd half, the Rams defense tightned up and the game was
a see-saw battle.  The Niners and Rams actually played each 
good, but the 49ers finally get the upper hand in the end.

Young to Rice TD, 42 yards!! I still think Young is
not hooking up enough with Rice. Rice was wide open
several times and Young's timing was just not there.
Oh well, can't have everthing.

Cofer made two FG's: 40 yd and 34 yds.

All in all, the Rams played tough and had me worried
until the last 10 minutes of the game. Whew! Watters
was certainly the MAN today.
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        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: DALLAS LOSES!!! YES!!!
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:29:14 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov16.003107.4716@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.e
du (Eric Sybesma) writes:
>In article <1e6on2INNc3j@sal-sun99.usc.edu> tehyang@sal-sun99.usc.edu (Teh Kao
Yang) writes:
>>RAMS 27 DALLAS 23 !!
>
>What with the Cowboys, Skins, Vikings, and Eagles and (almost the 49ers) losing
>today... I would like  to dedicate November 15 as ANY GIVEN TEAM day.
>
>Congratulations to the underdogs.
>
Don't forget the biggest underdog of all:  The PATES won!!!!
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From: harrisl@unssun.nevada.edu (Larry Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Jones....Touchdown 49'errrrrrs!
Keywords: 49'ers        21
              New Orleans   20
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:38:31 GMT
Reply-To: harrisl@unssun.nevada.edu (Larry Harris)
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno

BTW, the 9'ers two minute offense was a work of art. Absolutely perfect.
__
"The brakes were useless, the car was wandering. The rear end was coming around.
I jammed it down into low, but it made no difference and braced for a serious
impact, a crash that would probably kill me.....
"My heart was full of joy as I took the first hit, which was oddly soft and
painless. No real shock at all....Yes. These huge white lumps were not boulders.
They were sheep."
                           "Fear and Loathing in Elko"
                               Hunter S. Thompson 
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From: subrahma@usc.edu (Sudhakar Subrahmanyam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Raiders
Date: 19 Nov 1992 12:41:30 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

I have always wondered why the LA RAIDERS do not have any representation in
this newsgroup. Does this mean that (according to popular beliefs), their fans
are confined to the gangs and truck drivers and illeterate people who do not
have access to the NET?  I still think that they are the team to beat provided 
everybody in the team get going as a whole, forgetting their squabbles with Al
Davis. FLames welcome!!
Go Raiders! Superbowl '93 - here come the Raiders!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: intentional grounding (Re: Bills vs. D
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:47:17 GMT

In <1992Nov18.174739.13843@oakhill.sps.mot.com> millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Mikemoe) writes:

>Suppose Kelly throws the ball "away" and one of his receivers catches
>it. Good play, no intentional grounding. (I'm assuming Kelly doesn't
>even see the receiver...he just throws it) I think as long as an eligible
>receiver is within distance of the ball, make it a no call.

I don't know NFL officiating procedures, but in Europe the correct
way to call intent.grounding is that the official who notices that
a pass goes far away from any eligible receiver notifies the
referee.  Referee then decides wheter or not the throw was to
save distance and THEN throws the flag.  In the situation you
are discussing, the 1st provision is not fulfilled, so the
referee couldn't call it.
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From: dtodd@wizard.encore.com (Donald Todd)
Subject: Ernest Givins
Reply-To: dtodd@wizard.encore.com (Donald Todd)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:03:49 GMT

Ernest Givins went down with an ankle injury in this Sunday's game with
"the Fish".  If you have any info regarding the status of his injury
I would appreciate hearing it.  My newspaper said nothing...

Thanks!

-Don Todd
From: sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Oiler Headlines
Date: 16 Nov 1992 03:04:58 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: faulen.asd.sgi.com



     WARREN MOON EXCHANGES LEFT SHOULDER FOR OILER WIN
cody carlson now must answer the question "was it worth it?"


that one play where moon single-handedly wrested the oilers from
defeat is one of the best examples of quarterback drive, determination,
skill and stupidity.  without it, the oilers would not have won.  if
he had been sacked like he almost was, it would have been fourth and
about ten, with 1:40 or so left.  pardee would have definitely played
it safe and kicked the field goal, tying the score, and allowing the
vikes nearly two minutes to get into FG range, which evidently extends
to over 50 yards.  sure, they may have won it in overtime if it went
that far, but this one play sealed it.  beautiful, unbelievable, and
painful.  the win was an absolute must for the oilers, but now cody
must take charge and outplay the likes of marino and others over
the next 3-6 weeks if the oilers have any chance of taking the central.



sj		"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: js2011 (Jon Sirkin)
Subject: the ironman on t.v.
Followup-To: rec.sport.triathlon
Organization: andy.bgsu.edu
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 07:18:59 GMT

 So what was your thoughts on the way they broadcasted the ironman on t.v..
The ironman last year i thought was done very well, jon tesh who helped
produce it did a very good job. he gave a well rounded picture of the
athlete's not saying this years didn't but this years ironman focus on the
males and not on the female pro's i know erin baker wasn't in this years
race, but the 2nd place female did very well. also last year in the
begining it gave a profile of the athletes who were the top pro's. in the
begining. this help the people who aren't into the sport as much as the tri
geeks.  then go into details later w/ the pro's.  so do you guys/girls have
any feelings on the t.v. broadcast of the 92' ironman. could you post  your
thoughts.
thank you,
jon
                                       "What good is a used up world and
what           
                                          is it worth having"
                                                    -STING 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: jbutt@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Cannondale Criterium 4 Sale
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:56:13 GMT

	What's 56 cm in inches ?

Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: smay@boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Subject: Re: the ironman on t.v.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:45:49 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

On *our* tv, the local station preempted it to cover the Idaho-BSU football
game. Though I didn't watch it, it turned out favorably IMO. BSU suffered
its worst loss ever and the coach quit hours after the game. The only thing
worse than the game of football is its fans.

cheers,
scott
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (todd.r.jensen)
Subject: IRONMAN on NBC
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:39:10 GMT

In case someone out there hasn't heard yet, the 1992 Hawaii IRONMAN
will be on NBC tomorrow (SAT 11/21) at 4:00 EST.  Check your local
listings, as last year I tuned in a few minutes early only to find I
was missing coverage of the Texas Hill Country Triathlon being played
before the IRONMAN coverage.


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From: arands@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rolf Arands)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: the ironman on t.v.
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:29:57 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I thought the coverage of the race overall was pretty decent.  They showed 
alot of each leg, including the swim, which I thought was admirable.  
They portrayed "The Grip" as the person he really is, and the Aussie Welch as
the nutcase/top athlete he is.  

I noted that Mark Allen tends to ride face down, helmet top facing forward.
I thought this very unusual, but they made no comment.  No big deal
though.  

The show focused very well on the realities of the race and the sport
as well.  

Why am I still just a little dissappointed?  Paula broke **9 hours**, yet
she and the rest of the ladies received very little coverage.  It 
seemed more just an afterthought to put them in at all.  The exception was
the mother of 5 from Michigan who juggles a crazy life with the 
Ironman.  But still the coverage was weak overall on the ladies'
side of things.  

Oh well, I guess we can't have everything.

Rolf Arands
arands@gandalf.rutgers.edu
From: tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (todd.r.jensen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: the ironman on t.v.
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:08:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Nov23.173726.5227@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> abucher@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Anthony Bucher) writes:
>In article <js2011-231192015400@m248-105.bgsu.edu> js2011 (Jon Sirkin) writes:
>> So what was your thoughts on the way they broadcasted the ironman on t.v..
>
>	It was great to watch it here in Texas.  With winter in our clutches,
>the warm climate of Hawaii was especially nice to view.
>
>
>		Tony

They have winter in Texas?  According to the forecasts I saw, it's in the
60's there.  Must be rough to have to suffer through cold weather like
that.  8^)

I thought the Ironman coverage was the same old formula - concentrate on the
two pros currently leading, possibly some coverage of the women's race, and
throw in a couple of fluff pieces on some outstanding age-groupers.  But as
usual, I enjoyed it.  The only problem I have is NBC seems to purposely
mislead viewers to make the Ironman competitors, if not all triathletes,
seem a bit crazy.  (OK, I'm crazy, but not as much as pictured.)  For
instance:

- Mark Allen's mystic visions.
- Greg Welch stopping to walk on the run (he still must of run a sub-3:00
  marathon, so he couldn't have been walking too much) and in obvious pain.
- Using a special lens to get that neat heat effect off the road.

Sometimes I wish they would show more of the back-of-the-packers as they
cross the finish line and ask them why they did the race and how they feel
about finishing.  Nah, they couldn't do that, it would be too emotional.

BTW, does anyone think they'll show the new Gatorade commercial during
Bull's games (Be like Mike.  Be like Mark!)?

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From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: the ironman on t.v.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:19:26 GMT

tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (todd.r.jensen) writes:
>Sometimes I wish they would show more of the back-of-the-packers as they
>cross the finish line and ask them why they did the race and how they feel
>about finishing.  Nah, they couldn't do that, it would be too emotional.

Yes they definetly should show more age-groupers.  With two hours to kill I'm
sure they could have worked it in.
-Terry
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Need Source for this aero part------>
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:40:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: panix.1992Nov17.004008.2013
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


 I'm using the old Scott aerobars (the original type that Lemond used to
win the Tour de France in the last stage TT).

 I need to find a source that sells the armret extensions. They raise the
height of the armrests so the arms become more parallel to the ground.

 I've seen it on many bikes in magazine pictures such as the new Winning
issue.

 Thanks for any info.

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From: ece_0027@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (The Crazy Diamond)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Competions in South-West ?
Summary: Spring triathlons
Keywords: Spring, AZ, CA, info
Date: 18 Nov 92 04:04:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona



	Hello triathletes!  I was wondering if anyone has any
information regarding upcomming triathlons.  Specificlly, I'm interested
in any being held in the South-West (preferably AZ or Southern CA)
next year sometime in mid to late spring.  Any information concerning
this topic would be greatly appreciated...  Thanks in Advance for your
help.

					Dave Harris

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: fossumt@stolaf.edu (Theodore B Fossum)
Subject: Re: Minimalist run training
Organization: St. Olaf College, Northfield, MN
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:21:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.150059.10851@schbbs.mot.com>, CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey) writes:
|> Due to knee problems, I have not been able to log many miles training
|> for biathalons (dry tri?) running.  I bicycle commute 35-40 miles a
|> day on an MTB (lead bat training philosophy).  As a result, my races
|> are generally consistent... Everybody passes me... I pass them back...
|> they pass me again.  My TT speed on the bike is ~25MPH, but the run
|> legs are between 6:10 and 6:30s.  Typically, I run slower than every
|> one that beats me overall, but cycle faster than everyone I beat.
|> 
|> My run "training" usually consists of 2 or 3 3 mile runs in the weeks
|> before a race (with months between races).  I feel that my aerobic
|> level is not an issue, but would like to increase my speed without
|> doing much mileage.  Does anyone out there have any suggestions about
|> how to do this?  Should I concentrate on fartleks, or run race pace
|> for 3 miles?  Track work?  Any ideas would be appreciated.
|> 
|> Mark (the perfect bi is a 1/50/1) Hickey

Intervals Intervals Intervals!!!

hehehe

I know it sounds bad but it is true.  Another good thing is to do
some short sprints, without shoes, on some really REALLY soft grass.
It helps your legs get used to moving faster in a running motion.
You may have good leg-speed from biking but it doesn't translate 
totally to running.

To save your knees next time you go running, you may want to think
about warming up on your bike by doing some high-cadence spinning
(115-120 rpm).  This will get yours legs warm but they won't feel 
heavy from pushing a big gear.  Keep in mind that this is aimed a 
better run work-out, not a bike work-out.  Point being don't worry
about ave. speed or anything like that.  Just get your legs loose.
That way you can push harder on the miles that you are running, 
making, possibly, more efficient use of your running miles.

Hope it helps,

Ted

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From: CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey)
Subject: Minimalist run training
Organization: Motorola
Date: 17 Nov 1992 08:31:07 CST

Due to knee problems, I have not been able to log many miles training
for biathalons (dry tri?) running.  I bicycle commute 35-40 miles a
day on an MTB (lead bat training philosophy).  As a result, my races
are generally consistent... Everybody passes me... I pass them back...
they pass me again.  My TT speed on the bike is ~25MPH, but the run
legs are between 6:10 and 6:30s.  Typically, I run slower than every
one that beats me overall, but cycle faster than everyone I beat.

My run "training" usually consists of 2 or 3 3 mile runs in the weeks
before a race (with months between races).  I feel that my aerobic
level is not an issue, but would like to increase my speed without
doing much mileage.  Does anyone out there have any suggestions about
how to do this?  Should I concentrate on fartleks, or run race pace
for 3 miles?  Track work?  Any ideas would be appreciated.

Mark (the perfect bi is a 1/50/1) Hickey
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Drafting
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:08:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1e963sINNs92@male.EBay.Sun.COM> warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon) writes:

>Yesterday while I was bike riding this guy just came out of no where and
>immediately started to draft.  I think he drafted me about 15 mi.  Personally
>I don't mind when people draft, I don't like taking turns either because it's
>not good practice for people who do triathlons.  But after about 16 mi when
>the wind picked up and the hills started to roll, this S.O.B just flew by
>me like I wasn't even there.  And to top it off, he didn't even call out he
>Dave

 Well, Dave, I don't think you should get upset. He was sitting back there
because he was weaker-- letting you do a major percentage of the work. Of
course he would have plenty of energy left to pass you. If you had any energy
or training time left you could have used him as a rabbit to motivate a little
more quality riding out of your legs.

 By not letting you know he was passing could be attributable to any of the
following: 1) he was mute  2)he was practicing sneaky road race attacks
or 3)he figured everyone involved was riding in a predictable fashion and
vocalizations weren't needed.

 BTW, I'm a firm believer in the theory that having someone draft behind you
will add 1-2 mph to your avg speed. I also believe that if the drafter is a
lousy bike handler and he hits your rear wheel your risk is almost nil, while
his risk at that point is what I would consider high.

 ttyl;pg

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From: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Drafting
Date: 16 Nov 1992 22:07:56 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

Yesterday while I was bike riding this guy just came out of no where and
immediately started to draft.  I think he drafted me about 15 mi.  Personally
I don't mind when people draft, I don't like taking turns either because it's
not good practice for people who do triathlons.  But after about 16 mi when
the wind picked up and the hills started to roll, this S.O.B just flew by
me like I wasn't even there.  And to top it off, he didn't even call out he
was passing.  That is not cool.  I think if your going to draft, draft.  If 
you want to pass, pass.  But don't do both.  Anybody have any other stories
or comments about people drafting.

Dave