From: holzman@fnalno.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman)
Subject: Re:      Re: pot and the kettle
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 06:24:01 GMT
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In article <POLITICS%92083116192835@OHSTVMA.IRCC.OHIO-STATE.EDU>,         
SPRG0002@TULSAJC.BITNET writes:
>  Homosexuality - participating in sex acts with one(s) of the same gender.
>  Perversion    - deviation from what is right.

"Deviation from what's right."  Hm.  The Goddess says that "All acts of Love
and Pleasure are My Rituals."  Therefore, Homosexuality is not perversion.
 
>  >        1)      Anything which is contradictory to God's word is
>  >                        wrong.
>  >        2)      Homosexuality is contrary to God's word.
>  >        3)      Perversion is contrary to God's word.
>  >        4)      Therefore, homosexuality and perversion are wrong.
>  >        5)      Whoever engages in a wrongful activity should be pro-
>  >                        hibited from adopting children.
>  >        6)      Therefore, homosexuals and perverts should be pro-
>  >                        prohibited from adopting children.
> 
> 
>  I will agree with all except #5.  As the nature of mankind is sin, none
>  would qualify under this rule.

If you reject #5, then it falls to you to explain why of all who do "wrong",
Homosexuals are to be singled out for said prohibition.  Of course, since 2)
and 4) are false, as I have conclusively demonstrated above by Citing the
Goddess' very words, the argument falls apart altogether.

>  I'll draw the distinction for atheists and homosexuals now so you won't
>  have to waste a response to ask.  Atheists and homosexuals openly defy
>  the Word by claiming and/or defending the rightness of their actions.
>  This would be much like murderers or bank robbers having "killer pride day"
>  or "thieves pride day".  How can you defend allowing adoption by practicing
>  thieves and murderers?

That's an easy one.  Thieves and Murderers are doing harm to people, which is
immoral according to the Goddess' words: "An it Harm None, Do as you Will." 
Thus we are justified, as a community, in sanctioning them.  Athiests and
Homoseuxals do not violate the Goddess' commandment, thus we cannot justify
said santions in their case.  I don't know about this "Word" you keep referring
to... I've heard of the Bible, but I don't recognize it as an indicator of
right and wrong, let alone as "God's" word.

>  >        So, a brief summary of what seems necessary to continue this
>  >debate: 1) definitions of 'homosexuality' and 'perversion,' 2) a defense
>  >of the premise 'whoever does something wrong should not be allowed to
>  >adopt,' and 3) determination of whether the wrongness of homosexuality
>  >is grounded on God's word, or whether God's command is grounded on the
>  >wrongness of homosexuality.
>  >                               Richard A. Fyfe
> 
>  1 and 3 have been provided.  2, like 5 above, is your premise.  Defend them
>  if you can.

If you do not accept premise 2), then explain who should be prevented from
adopting.
-- 
Daniel B. Holzman                    | Eight Words the Witch's Rede Fufill:
HOLZMAN@FNAL.BITNET                  | An It Harm None, Do What You Will
HOLZMAN@FNALC.FNAL.GOV.INTERNET      |
                                     | All Acts of Love and Pleasure are
Love doesn't subtract,               | Her Rituals
   it multiplies    - Heinlein       |
                                     | Speak the Word.
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