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From: tim@tcom.stc.co.uk (Tim Kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Souness shocker: April 16th
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:39:49 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe


The Daily Mirror today features Souness on the front page,  with the
headline SHAME OF SOUNESS.  The story is that on the third anniversary
of Hillsborough,  the Liverpool manager had an exclusive interview
with the Sun newspaper about his lovelife,  with him snogging his
new girlfriend on the front page.

In view of the appalling headlines the Sun sported following the tragedy
in which it was claimed among other things that survivors were robbing
the bodies,  the relatives of the dead are in uproar about the man's
insensitivity.  Apparently he got a substantial sum of money.

			Newshound
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at no. 1 was I Owe You Nothing by Bros.    | LUFC, Yorkshire's No. 1.
From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Rangers 4 Celtic 0
Keywords: Follow, follow
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:28:00 GMT
Followup-To: Scottish Cup semi victory
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

Played on Wednesday 8th April
Premier Reserve League

Rangers          4   Celtic 0

Robertson 66,81,86
Spencer 90

An attendance of 7000 for a reserve game at Ibrox against the Jungle Jims.
There was only an attendance of 6000 at the Premier game between St. Mirren
and Celtic going on a few miles away at Paisley. No matter what level the
game is played, Rangers still come up trumps over the other side. This
victory over the closest challengers extends the lead to three points at the
top of the Premier Reserve League.

-- 
 Scott Jackson              e-mail scottj@spider.co.uk abuse  031-554-9424
 Spider Systems Limited     
 Edinburry                        Rangers 1   Celtic 0
 Scotland
From: kevin@varian.com (Kevin D. Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Please post the USA:CHINA result.
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:58:26 GMT
Organization: Varian Chromotography Systems

>I was at the game at Stanford and while the Chinese team were not very 
strong, I didn't>think they were that bad. They seemed to give the US team 
too much respect - and so didn't>attack them enough. They were physically 
>against China. It was a shame that the attendance was a bit low at 32,000 - 
I hoped there>would be more support for soccer in the bay area - especially 
with Stanford just being named>as a site for the world cup in 94.
	I WAS AT THE GAME ALSO. STANFORD/PALO ALTO BETTER DREAM UP A
TRANSPORTATION PLAN BECAUSE IT TOOK ME 45 MIN. TO GO FROM THE FREEWAY
EXIT TO THE STADIUM, THUS IT MADE ME MISS THE FIRST GOAL, A FREE KICK.
I THINK THE CHINA DEFENSE IS POOR WITH A LOT OF HOLES.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436)
Subject: Re: NFL, soccer, and lots o' muscle
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:47:03 GMT

From article <31262@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, by jn@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Jyrki Nummenmaa):
> 
> In article <1992Apr5.074011.21852@talon.ucs.orst.edu> navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology) writes:
> [some bits chopped off here and there]

> If your claims about the superior training methods in US and the
> importance of muscle mass hold, then why don't NHL and NFL players
> look more alike? For the same reasons expressed above, I think.
> 
> Jyrki

Someone once worked out that (this was reported on US TV) that the 
average NFL player spends about 15 minutes of a game actually doing 
something athletic (running, tackling etc.) as opposed to warming
the benches while someone else gets on with the job.  For the record, 
the length of time of the average NFL game last year was a few minutes
over three hours (thats the time from kick off to zero time on the clock).

To be good in the NFL it helps to be very fast for short bursts of time
(10 seconds or less) and to be able to throw a rubgy shaped ball 
50 yards in the air.  Of course, only the quaterback and a few other
players do the latter.  If you have not grown up with US football, then
throwing a ball is a difficult skill to master.  As for stamina and
strength; why do NFL players go to the sidelines and pick up O2 masks?

Ross Taylor

PS: I forgot one thing, in addition to speed, it miay help to be heavy
as well.
From: schraag@fwi.uva.nl (Joost Schraag)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: World Cup 94 - Shirts
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:05:33 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
X-Should-Be-Newsgroup: rec.sport.football.real

In <3315@svin02.info.win.tue.nl> wsinjosc@wsinti05.info.win.tue.nl (Jos Coenen) writes:

+ In article <1992Apr13.151842.25723@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, lein@base.ctt.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver,,RRC-4A720,699-2322) writes:
+ [stuff deleted]
+ > 
+ > It sure beats the commericial advertisements worn my many of the
+ > European teams.
+ > ________________________________________________________________________________ 
+ > John Leinaweaver
+ > lein@bae.bellcore.com
+ 
+ National teams don't wear advertisements. 
+ 

As long as the UEFA and/or FIFA don't get a share of the loot.

+ What you do in your league is your own business, but don't mess around
+ with beautiful Orange shirts with black lions :-)
+ 
+ We have our own FA to do that for us: just think of the incredible
+ ugly shirts Holland wore in European championship 1988 
+ (they even removed the black lion)  :-( :-( :-(
+ 

The scary thing is they won in those shirts.

+ BTW try to put `Van Breukelen' on a shirt, and you'll be delighted
+ that Rene and Willy van de Kerkhof don't play for the Dutch team anymore :-)

Or my once teammate Paul de Lussanet de la Sablionniere.
[Neither of us was international-level unfortunately]

+ 
+ Jos Coenen

joost.

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Joost Schraag          e-mail: schraag@fwi.uva.nl          ICBM: 52.22`N 04.54`E
From: st912880@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: THE BEST SOCCER MOVIE
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:31:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr6.233115.16541
Reply-To: st912880@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

In article 6951 <7294@netnews.upenn.edu>, Eric Zabinski writes


Far and away the best soccer movie is entitled "VICTORY", starring
Max von Sydow, Michael Caine, and Sly Stallone. It also includes a
host of real soccer legends (Pele, Bobby Moore, etc.). The movie is about
a soccer game staged between POWs and German soldiers during World War II.

It is a classic. The soccer choreography is great. The plot is unique,
clever, novel, and interesting. The acting is quite good.

************************************************************************
Yes, I agree it's a great movie. I've seen it a few times and have not grown
tired of it yet. But the correct title of the movie is 'Escape to Victory.'

All soccer fans have to watch it. If you have not, RENT IT!

Anybody out there have any nominees for 'Best Soccer Movie?' If you do, please 
post.

Thanks.

JTKE
GLORY GLORY MAN UNITED  GLORY GLORY MAN UNITED  GLORY GLORY MAN UNITED  
UNITED FOREVER  UNITED FOREVER  UNITED FOREVER  UNITED FOREVER  UNITED FOREVER
From: PKARLIOT@knox.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Swedish soccer
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:12:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: knox.57736819E00099D1


        I used to be an IFK Goteborg fan before and I wanted to ask you some
questions:
        What happened to Tord Holmgren and Tommy Holmgren?
        The IFK Goteborg player Ekstrom; is he the one that played in Italy some
   years ago?
        Is Vernerson, a goalkeeper still with the team?
        When was the last time that IFK Goteborg played in European competition?
           I would appreciate some answers.  Thank you very much.
                                                                    Sincerely,
                                                               Panos Karliotis
                                                               PKARLIOT@knox
From: croberts@axion.bt.co.uk (Chris Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: VICTORY soccer players
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:21:56 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: BT Laboratories

In article <1992Apr13.170124.3809@gw.wmich.edu>, 627ma@gw.wmich.edu writes:
|>

Stuff deleted

|> > 
|> Just to comment that the above three players, L. Sivell, R. Turner, and
|> W. Roth were all real players, and furthermore, five (5) of the players
|> involved were Ipswich Town players at that time - Sivell (goalie), Osman
|> (defender-played for England), Wark (midfielder-played for Scotland),
|> O'Callaghan(winger-played for N.Ireland), and Turner (reserve striker).
|> 
|> 
|> Ipswich Town for the 2nd Division title!!

10 points clear at the top, with 5 matches left..... looks like
a distinct possibility.

|> Maeu.

Chris


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From: dgmccann@unix1.tcd.ie (Red and Black)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Aston Villa to play Shelbourne, FC Utrecht to play Rovers
Keywords: Aston Villa vs Shelbourne
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:04:38 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin


 As the subject header says Villa and FC Utrecht are coming to Dublin
next week. Villa were only here a few months ago. Then they beat Shels
4-0 in a quite enjoyable game. FC Utrecht should give Dublin soccer fans
a chance to enjoy European style football. Could be interesting. I'll
post the actual dates when I hear them.

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From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: election 92: LORD SUTCH'S RESULTS
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:21:13 GMT
Reply-To: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

In article <1992Apr15.133603.7176@ssd.kodak.com> dj@ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.161555.22165@newcastle.ac.uk> w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk writes:
>>Screaming Lord Sutch of the Monster Raving Loony Party stood against 
>>all three party leaders here are his results, with a few other candidates
>>
>>
>>Yeovil:  6 candidates
>>            1st Paddy Ashdown (liberal Dem) 30,958
>>            4th Jay Risbridger (Green)      639
>>            5th David Sutch (Loony)         338 
>
>I'm sure Sutch would have done a lot better in Yeovil if there'd been
>a level playing field there.
>
>(Groans from diehard soccer fans......)
>

As a diehard soccer fan, I'll certainly groan 'cos you're out of date!
The original Huish ground complete with its wonderful slope was sold
for development a few years ago. Their new ground is, I understand, a
level playing field...

--
Colin Morris       Ingres, an ASK company       cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

"Clive Thomas' decision was the watershed when we realised that referees
 were crazy egotists and mad people" -- Six-O-Six
From: efsv02@castle.ed.ac.uk (M J Brewer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Gregory's Girl
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:11:50 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

"Oh Gregory, you're worse than my dad. At least he's old, and he's got
an excuse for being a pr*ck"
                       Girl changing in telephone box

   markie brewer
From: CVBASMA@UMSVM.BITNET (KHALIL BASMA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: west ham united
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:31:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: nettlera.9204152333.AA13476

It was West Ham 0 Southhamptom 1
From: bjpc@ENGIN.UMICH.EDU (Brian Jeffrey Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: WORLD cup in the USA (was RE:....english supremecy ha, ha ha)
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:31:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: floater.580c16621.0024fd3

for the record i am not apologizing for any of the statement made here.
i stand by what i said.
the idea that i am acting like a typical, short sighted american is far
from true.  i am jsut sick of all the attacks on american football before
you guys get a chance to witness the show we can put on.  
the world cup will be successful.  if it bombs, then fine attack, but
until then lay off.
i really don't think FIFA will let the US mess it up.       

my previous comments which some people has taken as being provoking, wer
not intedded to.  they were merely a retort of the american World Cup 
Bashing that has been occuring.  

on the issue of the World Series in Baseball (boring!!!), yeah you are 
correct that the world is not involved, cause the latin american
countries and island nations of the carribean, who are usually
good in baseball are left out.  
also, the NBA world championships.  similar problem.  i do not dispute 
that.  what i am looking into is the idea that in international soccer
there is no place for non-european nor non-south american teams.
everybody discouts us from the third world soccer nations.  
we are trying and that is the best we can offer.  

hope this clears things up for ya'll.
if you have any problems with what i said, this time, please feel free to
e-mail me.


peace....brian j. cook

                                   
p.s. sorry if i made anybody mad, but i was retorting to all i have read in
     one posting.
From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Please post the USA: CHINA result.
Date: 12 Apr 92 08:31:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.s8sh4INNp8p
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <15886@bunny.GTE.COM> andy (Andy Busa) writes:
>
> Nott to demean the US by comparing them to a
>third division team?  Hello.  You are not demeaning only the US but
>AC Milan, Juventus, Uraguay, Ireland, Mexico, China, Canada, and Costa Rica 
>whom the US has either tied or beat within the last year.
>
 Well, I would not be that sure. While the young USA soccer team treats all
friendlies as a matter of life and death, the teams you mentioned are out there]
most of thge times to give Bora's boys a good work out, without gettting hurt..
Do not forget that Team USA lost to a horrendous Austrian team sporting only 
ten players for most of the game (I'm talking about the World Cup) 
	I am not sure whether or not Team USA could make the cut in the English 3d league, but, one thing is clear to me : they'd have a tough time in the Italian Serie B.....

-- 
Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
Department of Economics
From: rosana@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Rosana Martinez)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:49:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Who died in Spain ?
Organization: HP Network Measurements Div, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer

The person who died was Juan Gomez "Juanito", famous ex-player for Real Madrid,
Malaga and the Spanish National Team. Now he was coach of second division's
Merida. He died in a car accident. Juanito was famous because of his hard
character, he had a lot of sanctions along his sport life. Anyway, he was a 
discussed but good player. R.I.P.
From: sgilmour@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Welcome to Ibrox)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Partick Thistle / Aldershot
Date: 8 Apr 92 06:53:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Apr6.085942.25945@newsroom.utas.edu.au> robbie@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au writes:
>
>As an aside, I am curious to know why Hibs have done so well this season
>when basically the side is the same as last year? (Burridge and Wright
>excepted)
>
>Robbie McDonald

Well part of the deal that took Goram to Ibrox was that the Gers
would help Hibs and not take the piss anymore - so we threw the Skol
Cup semi.  We had a similar deal with Celtic and tried to throw the
Scottish semi by getting a player sent off after 6 mins, but they
still couldn't burst the pokey.

Stephen Gilmour - Welcome to Ibrox.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: mehta@watson.bms.com (Pradhyuman Mehta)
Subject: Re: USA WORLD CUP AND english supremecy, (ha ha ha)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:06:00 GMT

In article <12757206@um.cc.umich.edu>, BRIAN.JEFFREY.COOK@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU writes...

        ******** LOADS OF CRUD DELETED **********

>sorry if you feel i am picking on you, but i am sick and tired
>of people bashing the US cause of the lack of big time international
>or club soccer.  if we want to start nick picking eachother country, fine
>by me.  yet i do not think that is the purpose of the group. 
>we are here to talk about SOCCER and lets focus on positive topics of
    						    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the world cup.  the revival of soccer in the US, the glamour the US
    						  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>will bring to the game etc....  it will happen.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>ya'll guys ahve to sit down and relax. 
>..


Oh right positive indeed. This group is to discuss all aspects of 
football/soccer, not just the positive. I sense from the above, that everything
said about the WC thats not pro US, is negative. There's a lot of -'s and +'s
to be rasied about the coming WC, but please don't try and make a point by
implying that all others are negative.


The last thing that the game needs is 'glamour'. Give me a break, is there 
nothing that the US will not try and glamourise (sp) ;-)


Cheers,

Prej.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: Re: Torino 2 Real Madrid 0
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:31:02 GMT

Why didn't Sanchez play for Real Madrid? He's a great finisher on the
ball. His goals are spectacular. That's all he's able to do, score. :-)
Is he still injured or hasn't fully recovered for 1st team play? I thought
he recovered from his injury few months ago and even saw him score 
(bicycle kick, of course) few weeks ago. Thanks.

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From: schraag@fwi.uva.nl (Joost Schraag)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Dutch competion, delayed game.
Summary: played 14/4.
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:16:06 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
X-Should-Be-Newsgroup: rec.sport.football.real

VVV - Sparta 1-3
   19' Vurens  0-1
   45' Orie    1-1 (penalty)
   66' Vurens  1-2
   90' Teeuwen 1-3 (own goal)

joost.

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From: woodacre@mips.com (Michael Woodacre)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Please post the USA:CHINA result.
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:16:38 GMT
Reply-To: woodacre@mips.com (Michael Woodacre)
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: wildcat.mips.com

In article <ku0vlqINNnca@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, noe@ixchel.Eng.Sun.COM (Fernando Noe (Compliance Engineering) ) writes:
|> 
|> Well, US bit china real bad (5-0). 

|>The chinese did not have the skills, the players
|> to generate good passing and control of the ball, a team very desorganize with lack
|> of creatitity. 
I was at the game at Stanford and while the Chinese team were not very strong, I didn't
think they were that bad. They seemed to give the US team too much respect - and so didn't
attack them enough. They were physically weaker than the US players and seemed to lose
out on most close tackling - quite often ending up on the ground. The Chinese goal keeper
was noticably weak - the first two goals should have been saved.

|>The US played real good
This is very relative - I wouldn't fancy the chances of the US team against most English
first division sides.

|>, they passed the ball constantly. 
Not from my view - they did make a few good moves - notably the third goal, but they didn't
do much running off the ball to create more space and chances. The moves they made were
generally predictable and would be covered by better opposition.

|> They played a lot better this time than last time against Spain. Maybe next time they
|> should bring a real challenge time, so we can analyze and see if the US has improved
|> at all.
|> 
|> Fernando Noe
|> noe@ixchel.Eng.Sun.COM
|> 

Overall the US clearly deserved the win - I think the scoreline didn't really reflect the
game - one goal looked offside and the first two should have been stopped by the keeper.
I too look forward to the US playing a better team - the game against Ireland later this
month should be much more of a test as the Irish won't give them the space that they had
against China. It was a shame that the attendance was a bit low at 32,000 - I hoped there
would be more support for soccer in the bay area - especially with Stanford just being named
as a site for the world cup in 94.

Cheers,
Mike

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