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From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: Perot's VP Stockdale & Racism
Originator: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 19:39:07 GMT

------------- FORWARDED POSTING -------------------------------------
------------- written by Chip Berlet --------------------------------

Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.apc.org>
Subject: Perot's VP Stockdale & Racism
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 16:55:42 GMT

/* Written  6:32 am  Oct  3, 1992 by cberlet in cdp:elections.usa */
/* ---------- "Perot's VP Stockdale & Racism" ---------- */

Stockdale and the Rockford Institute

by Chip Berlet

Perot's choice for running mate, James Bond Stockdale, has a 
history of afilliations that raise questions concerning his 
sensitivity to issues of racial justice and sexism.

Stockdale served as the president of the Citadel, a southern 
military academy that gained noteriety for allowing racially-
based harassment of African-American cadets and for its policies 
discriminating against women.

More troubling is Stockdale's current service on the Board of the 
Rockford Institute, a leading right-wing think that helped 
formulate the battle plan for the "Culture War" discussed at the 
Republican convention. The Rockford Institute has drifted so far 
to the right in recent years that even elements of the so-called 
"New Right" have raised questions concerning examples of anti-
Semitism and racism creeping into the Institute's publications. 
When an employee of Rockford suggested the Institute was allowing 
anti-Jewish themes to emerge, he was summarily fired, locked out 
of his office, and his possessions stacked in the street.

Margaret Quigley of Political Research Associates has studied the 
Rockford Institute and concludes that it now has adopted many 
core themes of the European neo-fascist movements, including the 
aristocratic fascism of Le Pen and Benoist, and the more earthy 
"Third Position," which is a re-packaged ideology based on 
national socialism, the early political basis of Hitler's Nazi 
movement.

Rockford promotes a Euro-centric brand of white supremacy, 
considers Jews to have brought an "alien" culture to the U.S., 
and is anti-immigrant. Stockdale's position on the board of the 
Rockford Institute is certain to raise questions about his own 
political beliefs in these matters, and at the very least shows 
an alarming lack of sensitivity to racial issues.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Readership for the s.c.a. groups
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 08:44:38 GMT


Thought readers might want to know that in the latest attempt
at a scientific survey of Usenet, soc.culture.african is the
399th most widely read newsgroup, averaging 20,000 readers and
1,273 postings per month, while soc.culture.african.american
is the 499th most widely reader newsgroup, averaging 17,000
pairs of eyeballs and 936 gems of wisdom a month (that's gross;
to determine net, subtract WCF and Hu postings).

The full report can be found in news.lists.

Aaron

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Malcom X School
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:53:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <11235@crackers.clearpoint.com> martillo@nero.clearpoint.com (Joachim Martillo) writes:
>>upset. 
>
>Just as Irish, Sicilians, Japanese and Chinese have, Black Americans
>must renounce their mindlessly stupid cultural heritage (just as I
>
that's only partly true joachim.  you may have renounced your cultural
heritage [although i suspect it actually went the other way], but you're
still MINDLESSLY STUPID!

>>Edward A. Haskin
>>Graduate Student
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  Waste of taxpayer money.
>
>-- 
>Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  yet another *failed* abortion


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From: evan@hpl.hp.com (Evan Kirshenbaum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: African names-why aren't there more of them?
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:07:47 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories

In article <1aqdvqINN4vl@news.aero.org> helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) writes:
>Haley had a number of things going for him:
> 
>1) His African ancestor was a very late arrival during the course 
>of the slave-trade (1767), so the number of generations back to
>be traced was probably 50% smaller than it would be with many
>other enslaved families (some of whose ancestors got here in the 1600's).
>
>2) His family had been associated with Henning, Tennessee since
>the 1880's (Will Palmer was fairly well-to-do in his older years.)
>Haley had an extensive extended family there, including a lot of
>'old ladies' who carried on the oral tradition. That family stability
>was a crucial help to him.

If I recall correctly, he also had a rather extreme bit of luck going
for him in that part of the oral tradition was the preservation of
Kunta Kinte's name and a few words in his native tongue, one of which,
thought to be the word for "river", was actually the name of the
specific river that his ancestor's village had been located on.  That
allowed him to identify the language and region (according to the
description of the passage over, there were many different languages
represented in the hold of the ship), which in turn got him hooked up
with people from the village who had recorded the other side of the
story in *their* oral history, allowing the link-up.

Without that, his job (difficult as it was) would have been *much*
harder.  In fact, I would be surprised if he could have traced any of
his other ancestors back to Africa.

This actually touches on something that I've been curious about for a
while: how unique was Haley's experience?  Did other families manage
to preserve names or linguistic artefacts?  How many African Americans
have any good idea where on the continent some of their ancestors came
from?

Evan Kirshenbaum
    HP Laboratories
    3500 Deer Creek Road, Building 26U
    Palo Alto, CA  94304

    kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com
    (415)857-7572
From: sphelps@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Sharise Phelps)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Looking for Darryle
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:01:51 GMT
Reply-To: sphelps@qa1.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Sharise Phelps)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Corporation, Wichita KS

Darryle Merlette, are you still out there?

Sharise
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From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: This Week in Black History (10/5 - 10/11 1992)
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:24:43 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

Today is Monday October 5, 1992. 

(My comments are in brackets:  [])

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

October   5  

October   6  Fannie Lou Hamer, freedom fighter, born 1917

October   7  William Sill, with The Underground Railroad, born 1821 - 1902

October   8  

October   9  Frank Robinson became the first Black major league
                baseball manager (Cleveland Indians), 1974

October  10  

October  11  A. Miles patented the elevator, 1887
             NAACP orgnized the Legal Defense and Education Fund, 1939

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           you're a dyke."
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From: jthomp@mainz-emh2.army.mil (JEFFREY THOMPSON)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Semantics {understanding the usage of the word nigger}
Date: 1 Oct 1992 03:15:53 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



You said it brother. I feel that the word "nigger used in a particular
context by a particular individual holds thhe meaning intended. Like


"Michael Jackson is one bad nigger. Wow! Give me five bro!!". Or
Cif you say something like, "Nigger you ain't s...!", you get an immediate
impression of what is meant here; and in this case you'd better put up
your dukes.

Jeff
From: hans@iesd.auc.dk (Hans Huttel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Death Penalty, for or against?
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:56:40 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


In article <BvGM7p.G0p@NCoast.ORG> cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher
Morton) writes:

> 2. The question of deterrence is irrelevant.  The death penalty prevents 
> recidivism by the perpetrator, ABSOLUTELY.
>
> 3. Chronically violent persons present a threat not only to society at large,
> but to prison guards and inmates alike.  What should be done, indeed what CAN
> be done with someone who continues to commit murder after receiving a life
> sentence?  Curtail his icecream ration?

[ stuff deleted ]

> Make it DANGEROUS to commit crimes.  The only thing that the current
> mania for repressive gun controls has proven is that gun control makes
> crime safe for the criminal.

But then, surely, even shoplifters should be executed to prevent them
from stealing again ?

On a more serious note: What is the purpose of the U.S. criminal
system ?  Is it the prevention of recidivism ? The revenge of whoever
makes the laws against those perceived as criminals ? As far as I, a
naive European who has only visited the United States once, the latter
seems to be the case. Not that we are better off on this side of the
Atlantic (see below).

I would urge anyone in favour of the death penalty to think of the
British cases of the Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six. As we all
know now, these 10 people were innocent and had been framed by police
officers seeking promotion. After the appalling IRA pub bombings in
1974 there was widespread support for the idea of reintroducing the
death penalty in the UK. If the death penalty had been reintroduced,
ten innocent people would have lost their lives. It was only because
of British TV that the truth was eventually accepted.

Is that really the sort of risk we are willing to take ?

The Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six were framed because they
happened to be Irish in the wrong place at the wrong time. What on
earth would prevent the U.S. police from using similar tactics against
Black people ? How do we know that it hasn't happened ?


- Hans
--
Hans H{\"u}ttel                          - hans@iesd.auc.dk  
Mathematics and Computer Science
Aalborg University, Fredrik Bajersvej 7E,
9220 Aalborg, DENMARK                     Ad slagne veje ?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: johnson@offroad.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson)
Subject: Re: Af-Ams in the U.S. Military
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 01:11:29 GMT

In article <1adaicINNa59@gilligan.East.Sun.COM> mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM  
(Mike Roncadori) writes:
> 
> I was in the AF from 1982 til 1886, and here's what they were
> offering, WRT bennies and the like:
>
     [...details deleted and are found in original reply...] 
> 
> Hope that helps
> 
> -- Mike

     It does. Thanks.
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Africans in the Military
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:12:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: NCoast.Bvp8LK.BsE
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH

As quoted from <3Fu6RB1w165w@netlink.cts.com> by galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross):

> cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) writes:
> 
> > 
> > By the way, he met Siegfried Sassoon last night.  Anybody know of any famous
> > Blacks who served with the AEF?  I can't think of any, but there's a million
> > who were in WWII, including the late Harold Washington.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> 
> Chris:
> Therre was at least one entire all-black regiment, the 369th(?) out of 
> Harlem, that saw heavy combat in World War I, mainly with the French,
> the US Army having little faith in the ability of blacks to fight -- or 
> maybe too much fear that they might continue to fight after they ran out 
> of Germans to shoot...
>  
> In any case, they not only fought under French command, but fought 
> heroically, and produced heroes the equal, at least, of Sgt. York. 
> Collectively, if I'm not mistaken, the 369th never yielded a foot of 
> ground to the Germans.
> G.

I know about the Harlem Hellfighters.  My question was about famous 
INDIVIDUALS who may have served.  Were there any persons who served who were
famous later for other things?


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: afadel@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ayman Fadel)
Subject: Africans in the Military (Was Re: Good books on African-American history?)
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 02:20:50 GMT

In article <jumper.717539496@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham) writes:
>das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:
>
>>As the title says, I would like recommendations for good books on
>>Africa-American history.
>
>>Thank you,
>
>>Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.boeing.com  // or uunet!bcstec!voodoo!das 
>
>An outstanding book on American military history as influenced by blacks and
>seen from the non-white perspective is _Strength for the Fight_.  I think if
>more of the facts shown in the book were known, we would all realize a few
>things.  I found the book at my university book store but do not have the
>author's name, etc.

I intend to try to read this book.

At the same time, I often think that if I was an af-am that I'd
be rather ambiguous in my feelings about 
Af-Ams in the U.S. military.  For example, many Egyptians fought
with the Engish colonialists against the Sudanese in the beginning
of the 20th century and late 19th century.  And many Moroccans
and Algerians fought with the French in WW1 (France had colonized
them.)  Yet I've never heard any person or historian from these
countries discuss this with any type of feeling except, "We
did the dirty work for these people again."

I think that's one of the reasons why Muhammad Ali is so
respected around the world.  I mean his refusal to fight
in Vietnam.  To me it signified he was much more than a
great athlete.   He was willing to sacrifice his fortune and
fame for his principles.

Anyway, I'd be happy for someone to shed some light for me
on this.

Thanks in advance
ayman
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: tuff@ellis.uchicago.edu (Geoff Tuffli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Prejudice vs racism
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:38:56 GMT
Reply-To: tuff@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <92273.1201283ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> <3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>In response to Geoff, racism is a *white* thing. As someone pointed out racism
>is a historical concept.  It has not always existed.  One could argue that
>ethnocentrism is unversal.  There is a general agreement about that.  There
>are and have been ethnic tensions throughout history based upon notions that
>one's own ethnic group is superior to others.  Racism other the other hand was
>an invention of Europeans.  European scholars codified and systemized notions
>of races and the superiority of European *race(s)*.  This occurred during the
>15th century.  It is whites who assume themselves to be a superior race.
>
>You will note that this period conicides with European expansion and colonial-
>ism.  Check out the scholarship on this point: Montague; Leonard Lieberman;
>Larry T. Reynolds; among others.  Bob

	I'm afraid that I must disagree - racism is not a "white" thing. Racism
is the action of discrimination on the basis of race. There is nothing in that
definition that makes it a "white" thing. Yes, certain Europeans _did_ codify
races. Please keep in mind, though, that different skin colors and peoples
reactions to said existed before the individuals so named.

	One of my own specialties is East Asia, and I can assure you that
*racism*, or the action of discrimination against _on the basis of race_,
has existed in China, in Japan, and Korea. Yes, racism was "codified" in a
certain manner in Europe, and it is certainly true that there has been a
tremendous amound of racism inflicted upon various minority groups by whites.
 
	If a white person is in a group that is otherwise black, and he or
she is treated differently, that is *racism*.

	Nobody is denying that Europeans have been as a whole racist. I myself
have and will fight against discrimination against minority groups - but like-
wise, to tolerate discrimation the other direction *however rare it might be*,
is to be little more than a hypocrite.

	Geoff Tuffli
From: seove@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (ERIC OVERTON)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Good videos and books on tapes
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:01:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Greetings.

I checked (from the public library) a video presentation by/about Gordon
Parks, author, photographer, composer, filmmaker, poet, and more.  He made the
films, "Shaft", and "The Learning Tree".  This video was called, "Gordon
Park's Visions".  This man is one of the most interesting people that I've
ever seen.  Also watched one on Booker T. Washington and one on Mayo Angelou
with Bill Moyers about "Creativity".  Other books on tapes by/about Alice
Walker, Mayo Angelou, and James Baldwin were very good.  

Peace,

Eric Overton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Pessimism
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:09:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.170119.1020@oracle.us.oracle.com>,
mfriedma@uucp (Michael"Stupidity Reigns" Friedman) writes:
>
>>>Actually, I think the tunnle vision is on the other side.  See below...
.
So black people are responsible for how you act?  Droll...that's
like saying black folks are responsible for how the Klan or the
white skinheads act.
.
>>>So how did they get this "honorary white status"?  Perhaps whites just
>>>naturally find yellow more aesthetically pleasing than black?  Or
>>>maybe it's something a little more complicated.
>
>>Yeah, stupid. Maybe, just maybe, it's racism.
.
Check this, y'all.  He wants to make it a matter of being more or
less "aesthetically pleasing".  He wants to make it more complicated
than it actually is.  Bullshit.
.
>Jeeze.  Talk about tunnel vision....
.
That's nice. Black folks (me) are more racist than certain whites
(him).  Grandiose.
.
Long time ago, as I remember, Jews and blacks in New York couldn't
get a cup of coffee downtown. Woody Allen talked about that in
"Radio Days." You wonder how people get gradations of color down?
They'll have clauses in housing contracts. They'll steer people away
from certain neighborhoods.  They'll even say to pollsters and
people conducting social science studies that they'd rather have the
Irish, or the Puerto Ricans, or the Chicanos.  But not the blacks.
The most recent study I refer to happened last year, and it was
conducted for those living in California. Whites in this neck of hte
woods and beyond will keep keeping on keeping out black folks in
their neighborhoods, no matter how intellectual, or how economically
well-heeled.  But they'll accept Chicanos and Asians.
.
Asians may be the model minority.  But I know so good and well they
hate that shit, too.  It's a double whammy.
.
I know, too, that the Irish under Kearney in the San Francisco area
did a  lot of rioting and lynching of Asians in the olden days...
.
Despite what you and the rest of you guys think, blacks are the last
folks to melt in the melting pot.
.
One last point. Toni Morrison talked about how as a little girl she
assisted a young boy who had trouble learning in class. He was
foreign.  As soon as he got his bearings, and learned enough English
to get around, he pushed her aside for the white kids.  He was no
longer "colored", he could now be an American.
.
You bore me with your wild-ass suppositions.  Familiarity with you
naturally breeds contempt.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Subject: Re: Perot's back in
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:34:47 GMT
Summary: this guy is bogus, i'm voting for alfred e. newman

when i saw the parade [or should i say CHARade] of democratic and
republican delegations addressing perot and his "volunteers" in
dallas earlier this week i viewed it as one big orgy of mutual
self-indulgence.  how ridiculous!  these folks go into a closed
room with perot being a self-declared power broker [or was that
"a servent of the people"...hmmm, sounds like standard political
fare], going into a closed room [democracy in action] to discuss
something called, "the issues".

then perot emerges saying how much he has in common with the
dem/rep positions.  he also says that his decision to reenter
the race depended upon the will of "the people", in particular
the votes of the 50 perot chairmen in each state [the "volunteers"
who were, at least in some cases, not volunteers since they were
on perot's payroll].  right of the top you gotta figure 2 things:

	1. anyone idiotic enough to stick with the campaign
	   after the guy said he was tossing in the towel 12
	   weeks ago is probably not real quick to pick up on
	   stuff.  so what are they going to learn in one day's
	   worth of presentations.  then again, with jobs so
	   difficult to come by these days that "volunteer"
	   paycheck can sure come in handy.  nice work, if you
	   can get it;

	2. what was the likelihood that these 50 state chairmen
	   were really going to be able, on short notice, to
	   survey the "will of the people".  after all, they
	   only had between monday [when the charade happened]
	   and thursday [when perot bowed to the "will of the
	   people"].  given that, the decisions of the 50
	   chairmen were based upon their own leanings.  boy,
	   with an voting process like this i think the guy
	   would be better off using his money to buy an island
	   somewhere and setting up a banana republic.

thursday rolls around and all of a sudden perot decides that the
dem/rep presidential candidates aren't addressing "the issues"
after all.  so now he's back in the race with a former vietnam
pow as his veep running mate...how patriotic.

i think the perot candidacy is of more interest to the media and
other politicians than it is to most other people.

this guy is starting to look more like lyndon larouche every day...


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