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Subject: South Bend station
From: <CSS3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:45:18 EST
Organization: Penn State University

   A couple weeks ago I posted a message regarding efforts to get Amtrak to
move back into South Bend Union Station. Amtrak currently stops in SB at a
station located in an industrial area. That station was jointly used by
Amtrak and the South Shore trains from Chicago. I have since learned that
South Shore trains no longer serve the Bendix station. On Nov. 20 the South
Shore dedicated a new station at the Michiana Regional Airport. Revenue service
to the new facility began the next day.

    South Shore's new station is located adjacent to the airport terminal.
 The railroad's ticket counter and waiting area are inside the east terminal
 building. Next spring construction of a covered platform of some kind will
 make it possible to walk from train to plane without stepping outside. The
 South Shore plans to increase the frequency of train service to South Bend in
 an effort to pick up passengers from LaPorte and Porter counties who are
 flying out of South Bend. Presumably, many of those passengers would have
 driven or taken a bus to O'Hare or Midway airports in Chicago. Trains will be
 scheduled to offer convenient connections with clusters of airline arrivals
 and departures.  Michiana Regional is served by eight airlines including
 USAir, Northwest, American Eagle, United Express, Continental Express,
 TWA Express, and Delta. It has approximately 64 daily flights serving
 primarily eastern and midwestern destinations.
     The new South Bend station may have helped South Shore service already.
 Ridership on the South Shore over the Thanksgiving holiday period was up
 signficantly over a year ago and much of the increase in ridership came from
 South Bend.

   South Shore has offered its Bendix station for sale to Amtrak. However,
 South Shore will continue to  use the station for special trains, i.e. trains
 taking fans to Notre Dame football games. The extension to the airport, by the
 way comes off the South Shore mainline at Grandview Ave.

 craig sanders
From: guy@boi.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: U25B
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:59:40 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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In <726369683snx@coastal.UUCP>, Don Lockhart (donl@coastal.UUCP) wrote:
>Don Lockhart - donl@nlbbs - Portland, Maine
>
>Would anyone out there have any information on a model U25B deisel
>engine? Maine Central bought about 14 of them in the early 80's from
>the Rock Island Line and I'm doing some MEC history now to replicate
>the line as close as I can in HO scale. But looking for authentic info
>on the real thing. Any help would be appreciated.
>
>dkl

--

U25B - Early GE built diesel unit. 16 cyl diesel @ 2500 HP for traction.
4 axle unit.  Came in both high and low nose configurations so check
which was used there.  I think most of the early ones were high nose,
some had steam generators in the high nose for passenger service.  Some
equipped with dynamic brakes.  These would have the brake grids behind 
the radiator intake screens in the rear (if you're into detailing
your locomotives).  What specifically would you like to know?

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From: zephyr@cory.Berkeley.EDU (COIFMAN)
Subject: Minneapolis area railroads
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:06:08 GMT

 I am wondering about the fate of some of the Railroads that operated in
the Twin Cities area. 
 M&StL, when did they disappear and did they merge into C&NW or CGW?
 CGW, when did they merge into C&NW?
 MW, were they absorbed into M&StL before M&StL disappeared or...?

 Thanks much



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From: plaws@uafhp.uark.edu (Peter Laws)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: FWD from rec.radio.broadcasting
Date: 8 Jan 1993 09:05:11 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


 
I saw this on rec.radio.broadcasting and couldn'y help my self!

Peter



Here is a press release from Joseph Vranich.

 "Supertrains" Author Claims Talk Show Record
 To: National Desk, Transportation and Media Writers
 Contact: Joseph Vranich, 703-354-6309

   ALEXANDRIA, Va., Dec. 31   -- Talk shows reached a new 
level of acceptance last year as political candidates and
industry leaders sought exposure on America's airways in
unprecedented numbers.
   Another sign of the popularity of such shows is that an author is
claiming to have set a talk show record.
   Joseph Vranich, author of "Supertrains: Solutions to America's
Transportation Gridlock" (St. Martin's Press), made 130 radio and
television appearances during the year with 103 qualifying as talk
shows, most with call-ins from the public.
   "I'm establishing a new entry for the record books," said Vranich.
"I'm open to the possibility that another author could have done
better, but if so no one seems to know about it."
   President-elect Bill Clinton helped bring attention to
"Supertrains," calling it a "great book," while others including
Lufthansa Airlines Chairman Jurgen Weber also praised it.
   Said Vranich: "I've searched the record books and could not find a
category for talk show appearances.  Carol Nashe, executive director
of the National Association of Radio Talk Show Hosts, based in
Boston, has acknowledged that "we do not know of any record
established for appearing on talk shows."
   Vranich appeared on stations from coast to coast.  Some were
in-studio shows he did while traveling to give speeches but most were
by telephone.  Vranich kept records of his appearances, which can be
confirmed by logs maintained by broadcasters.
   The Clinton administration is expected to start a program to build
high-speed train systems and that has sparked additional interest in
"Supertrains."
 -30-

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From: clark@angelo.amd.com (Brad D. Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: INFO REQUEST: Railroad Tycoon for the Atari ST bug?
Summary: Having a couple of problems with this......
Keywords: atari railroad tycoon game
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:38:35 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

Fellow railfans that have a copy or know how to throw stuff at
MicroProse UK (grin):

I got Railroad Tycoon for the Atari ST for a Christmas Present To Myself.
I am having a problem with it, however... I can't save a game. Other
than that, I __LOVE__ this game! My wife sez I am obsessing. She's
right.

It;s a great game/simulation. It's out for the Mac, and the PC as well.

Anybody have help/clues/other reports?

Brad

clark@brahms.amd.com
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From: ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff)
Subject: Re: Information Requests
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:13:39 GMT

B&LE BOOK

I just happened to have a B&LE book on my desk that I 
found in the stack before the holiday.  

BESSEMER AND LAKE ERIE RAILROAD, 1869-1969 by Roy C.
Beaver, Golden West Books, 1969.  That's pretty old as
train books go, but I have never heard of an others.

The book is typical of GW's efforts.  It has lots of photos
of both steam and diesel eras, though not many freight
cars.  Included is a complete locomotive roster and (glory
be!) a complete freight car roster as well.

I would be reasonably certain that this book is out of print,
but it should be available on interlibrary loan through your
local branch.

~S
--
Garth (Haridas) Groff
"Not yet famous author"
ggg9y@poe.acc.virginia.EDU         Chant "Govinda Bohlo Hare"
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From: ajw@squid.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU (Andrew Waugh)
Subject: Re: Steam Heat on Electric Locomotives
Organization: CSIRO, Division of Information Technology, Melbourne
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 23:30:12 GMT

In article <8145@skye.ed.ac.uk> ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson) writes:
>During the transition from steam to diesel and electric locomotives
>British Rail continued to steam heat its carriages, so that diesel and
>electric engines had to carry a water boiler.  The story, along with
>innuerable other tales of British railway mismanagement, is recounted in
>`The Train That Ran Away' by Stewart Joy. 

What exactly was the bad management (or mismanagement) about the
necessity for providing a boiler on a diesel or electric locomotive
to supply steam heating? It is difficult to imagine what else BR
could have done.

andrew waugh
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,alt.religion.kibology
From: cal@ee.ryerson.ca (Calvin Henry-Cotnam)
Subject: Re: RailPhones (was Re: The Elvis Stamp)
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:28:00 GMT

nick@sunburn.uwaterloo.ca (Nick Fitzpatrick) writes:
>All (or certainly most) of the first-class LRC coaches have a pay-cellular
>telephone (accepts credit cards).  These are accesible for all passengers
>in the train.  They have been there for some time (perhaps 2 years).  This
>would be most trains on the Montreal-Toronto, Montreal-Ottawa,
>Montreal-Quebec, Ottawa-Toronto, Toronto-Windsor and Toronto-Sarnia-Chicago.
>

It is interesting to add that some Go Transit coaches are equipped with
similar pay-cellular phones that use credit cards.  For awhile, it seemed
that every train had at least one coach equipped with a phone, but lately
I've been on some trains without any phone.

I'm not sure if the GO/Cantel installation was only an experiment that has
ended, but I have had the need to use it on a few occasions and it was a
tremendous convenience.


Calvin Henry-Cotnam, CATE          | "...My brain IBM"
Ryerson Polytechnical Institute    | "So if you see me, acting strangely..."
Toronto, Ontario, Canada           |                  STYX, Mr. Roboto
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From: Joe.Russ <Joe.Russ@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re: WSOR vs WICT
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 23:44:34 GMT


>They used to be quite friendly though, and quite willing to let you
>wander around the property.  Hope this hasn't changed, but
 
From what I've been hearing, it has, unfortunately.
-- 
Joe.Russ@mixcom.com
WISE Div., NMRA
From: btiffany@pbs.org
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: X2000 in Corridor service - February
Date: 12 Jan 93 12:53:44 EST
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

John Scott McCauley Jr. writes:

> An AMTRAK agent said that they will be told on a daily basis if the X2000
> is running the Metroliner. He also said that they have two unresolved issues
> that might cancel the whole deal:
> 
> 1) Power cars are made of fiberglass bodies. The NEC has a lot more debris
>    than Swedish railroads. Trash, rocks, coins placed on tracks and so
>    forth can really do a number on the power cars.
> 
> 2) The train can't be decoupled easily outside a shop. If a car has
>    a flat spot on a wheel, for example, the whole train has to be
>    'shopped' -- they can't just drop the problem car off on a siding.

There's no way Amtrak would purchase the X2000 as is.  European locomotives
and rolling stock simply are not rugged enough for service here.  Recall that
the SNCF CC71000 had to be sent back before it could even make a single
regular run.  They probably need waivers of FRA standards just to run the
X2000, as they did with the Swedish Meatball, the Rc4a which presaged the
AEM7.  Amtrak did not order RC4a's; the AEM7 was developed based on the RC4a.
For one thing, as I recall the RC4a only had a buffer beam strength of
something like 400,000 pounds, plenty for Europe, but likely to be squashed
here.  I think the FRA minimum is something like a million pounds, and 1.5
million is more likely.

So don't look at the X2000 as if Amtrak were driving around new cars and
they're going to say, "Fine, I'll take this one."  You can bet that if
something comes of this, it'll be an Americanized version of the X2000.

So if you want to ride a Swedish train in the U.S., ride the X2000 (and then
tell me how you liked it, because I have neither the time nor the money to
ride it myself, although I see and have photographed it frequently in Union
Station).  If Amtrak buys, what you'll be riding is an American train based
on the X2000, not the X2000.

-- BT
Xref: sparky rec.railroad:10531 rec.models.railroad:2895
From: ar134@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Edward Spitzbarth)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,rec.models.railroad
Subject: Re: WSOR vs WICT (Was: New RR GIF's Posted - Week Six)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 02:41:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I have also had good luck with the WSOR in the past and that they
would allow people to sign a release, etc.  A friend even purchased
a cap and timetable from them at the Horicon depot. 

So, this summer I was going through the area anyway, so I stopped 
in Horicon and wen to the depot.  What I was greeted with at the
door was a sign stating that railfans were not welcomed on the
property and that if seen, would have the police called on them.
That was quite a shock from what I had experienced in the pas
and what I have heard.

Then again, they have changed ownership at some point.

Ed Spitzbarth
Manager of Desktop Computing
University of Wisconsin - Platteville
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Internet: spitzbarth@uwplatt.edu
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From: jernandez@pbs.org
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Steam Heat on Electric Locomotives
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:15:37 EST
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <sjones.726345266@cunews>, sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones) writes:
> In <1if7hrINN6lp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bw936@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gregory K. Ramsey) writes:
> 
> 
>>I'm sitting here looking at a picture of a Milwaukee Road
>>"Bipolar Electric" pulling the Olympian through some very cold
>>looking weather on my new calendar (probably a lot of you are
>>also), and I was wondering how electrics made steam for heating
>>in the days before HEP.
> 
>>The obvious method would be a electric boiler, but is that the
>>correct or universal one?
> 
> I think it is the right one with the bipolars; I know it is the method
> used with the two Little Joes used in passenger service (in addition
> to different gearing).  That doesn't mean it was always sufficient,
> however.  The Woods' book on Milwaukee (Milwaukee Road West) has
> several shots of auxiliary heater cars working behind Little Joes.
> 
> And for that matter, how do you think diesels generated steam for the
> heating system?
>
From: bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Vanishing shunter
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 08:45:07 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: 1776 Enterprises, Sudbury MA

rl@ferris.cray.com (Randy Lambertus) writes:
>   I have found a bug that drove me nuts. I pulled a string of coaches
> from PY to CL and uncoupled the shunter. Then I was distracted by a 
> family member, and called up a class 50 and directed it to CL. Now I 
> have the shunter, the coaches and the class 50 all in CL. When I tried
> to get the shunter out, it acted as if it did not exist. The only way
> to move anything was to couple the '50' to the coaches and move the consist
> to the platform. After doing that, the shunter disappeared! I could not
> locate it anywhere, and then the blasted yard requested it back! Needless
> to say I wound up quitting as with no shunter there wasn't a whole lot
> left to do.

Entirely your own fault.  While your attention was diverted by the family
member, vandals sneaked up and stole the shunter!  You'll find it 50 miles
down the track when it runs out of fuel - unless, of course, it hits some-
thing first!   :^)

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From: pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Steam Heat on Electric Locomotives
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:33:30 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

OK, did some digging.
Two "Little Joe's" were fitted with roller bearings and steam heating boilers
for passenger work.  The boilers were oil fired Elesco's.  Joes 20 and 21, if
memory serves.  Additionally, steam heat tenders, built from old steam loco
tenders, were provided to allow freight Joes to cover passenger services.
(Dunno about gearing changes, didn't look...)
Ref: NOEL Holley, Milwaukee Road Electrics.

As a data point on "could the catenary supply enough power for heat?": You
betcha.

A BiPolar was rated 3,000+ HP, Continuous.  I couldn't find the data for the
Bipolar train heat boiler (oil), but did find the Westinghouse EP2 data:
	116HP [1], oil fired.

Ref: Bill Wilkersons book on the EP2s  (Mr Wilkerson is a retired Milwaukee Rd
locomotive engineer...)  Now if 3000 HP (plus) was available for traction, then
100 HP for heating was not gonna get noticed....

Holley mentions that the Bipolar boilers were notably inadequate

A second data point is that all EMU's used straight resistive heating.

[1]
I leave it for someone else to elucidate the conversion of HP as a heating
boiler rating and HP as a traction rating and as boiler_for_traction rating
 8)>>.  Not EXACTLY comparable, but at a 30-1 ratio, close enough....

thanks
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From: romeo@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Michael Stimac)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: info on old model railroader mag
Keywords: old magazine
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:11:43 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

In article <Jan.11.09.43.31.1993.7125@remus.rutgers.edu> pfein@remus.rutgers.edu (Peter Fein) writes:
>
>I have some very old model railroader magazines.  About 6 from 1947, 6
>from 1946, and one from 1938.  They are all in mint condition.  Does
>anybody have any idea what they are worth.  I will appreciate any
>help.
>

Here's some info-

There is no "book value" to refer to. I occasionally purchase
back issue magazines at some of the hobby shops nearby. One of
the shops charges $1 per back issue regardless of date. The
other shop charges $1 for 'recent' issues and $2 for 'old' issues.
I don't recall the exact definition of "old", maybe pre-1960.

At NMRA meets, bundles of full-year lots go for $10-$20. If
you had a complete year for these earlier years, they'd probably go
for more.

If you sell them, the price will vary wildly depending on how
badly the buyer wants them and how badly you want to get them
into the hands of an appreciative reader.

(I'm assuming that by "model railroader magazines" you mean the
magazine of that title _Model Railroader_ and not some generic
modelling magazines).

Michael Stimac
-- 
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(415) 355-8889
romeo@tymnet.com
These opinions are not necessarily anyone's but my own.
From: stev@vax.ftp.com (stev knowles)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: CSX GP30 sighted
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:51:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP

In article <1993Jan4.202410.10030@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jrblack@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Black) writes:

>     The last 2 trips down to Southern West Virginia I've made in the last
>couple of months, I've come away with a strange sighting.  It seems there
>is a GP-30 doing pusher service on the Allegheny section of CSX between
>Hinton - Ronceverte - Clifton Forge.  The first time I saw the unit, it was
>painted entirely light grey with no markings.  When I saw it last week, they
>had painted a blue CSX on the side.  Anyone like to comment?

sounds like on of the re-assigned RF&P units. they are dark blue and grey .
 .
From: ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Electric Train Sparking
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:16:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.railroad
Organization: William's Wonderful Wonky Widget Warehouse


There are stories of trains on the Southern Region (650v AC third rail)
arcing so vigorously that the pick-up shoe became welded to the third
rail.  I have no idea whether this is true or not. 

Ken Johnson  (current kit: `Linda', F.R., 60% finished)



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From: andrewm@bmers30.bnr.ca (Andrew Moizer)
Subject: Train Spotting Sites in Eastern Ontario ?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: ont
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 21:14:54 GMT

Does anyone have any suggestions on good train spotting sites in
Eastern Ontario?  We have a uncle from England who is just train
mad and we would like to do some spotting.

We are starting from the Ottawa (really Merrickville) area.

thanks in advance
  Andrew
--

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From: Tom.Steadman@f337.n632.z3.fidonet.org (Tom Steadman)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: SIAM & RRSWV5
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 20:39:26

ANY ONE ELSE TRIED THESE GREAT PROGRAMS.. THERE NOTHING BUT THE BEST. GOT A
RATTING OF 86& ON PENZANCE AND HIGHLAND, 50% AT CREW AND GOT FIRED AT
PADDINGTON OH WELL NEED MORE PRATICE DON'T I. RRSWV5 IS SLIGHTLY BETTER THAN
VERSION 4. TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK.
 
 
       HAPPY RAILROADING
                TOM


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From: wagner@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Runaway tracks?
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:27:01 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <1isi6kINNjg5@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes) writes:
> 
> The new Orcharc Supply calendar begins with a picture of a train in
> the Canadian Rockies.  The text says the route originally had a 4.4%
> grade and runaway tracks every two miles, and that there were lots
> of runaways.  How do runaway tracks work?
> -- 
> haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
> haynes@cats.bitnet
> 
> "Ya can talk all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!"
> "No it aint!  But ya gotta know the territory!"
>         Meredith Willson: "The Music Man"
> 
You were probably looking at the Selkirk Section where we now have the infamous
"Spiral Tunnel".  Many pictures have been taken of freight trains crossing over
their own tails in the tunnel (Engine coming out before caboose goes in a good
number of feet below {or above}).

Never have seen a "runaway track" on the railway, but on the highway it's a
long stretch of track going straight up (or as close to as gravity will allow)
to allow runaways to leave the downhill and coast up.  If I know the stretch 
they are talking about, it hangs on the side of a mountian and the nearest run-
away would be staight over the side.

I think the 4.4% grade is conservative.  A good number of units were lost on
the downgrade and they had to use double headers and pushers to get up the
side.

If you want I'll get you details if you tell me the section (or the nearest 
town)

73, Tom (VE7GDA)

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