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>Orin Day writes:
>>Scott Harper writes:
>>> Now, what I found interesting was the PAC-10 commission's reccomendation
>>> that Hobert's loan not cause any forfeitures, because something like that
>>> should have no bearing on "on-field performances".  We are talking about
>>> a questionable $50,000 deal here.  Several (not all) of A&M's 20 or so 
>>> violations were along the lines of "recruits were given caps on official 
>>> visits", "recruit was given a ride to the airport by an assistant coach", 
>>> etc.  These violations were certainly allowed to have an effect on
>>> "on-field" performances.
>>
>>My opinion of the Tulsa thing is that the NCAA sucks, but they are
>>quite consistent on the crackdown of so-called recruiting "violations."
>
>Then how do you explain the recent NCAA probation for the Oklahoma State
>wrestling program, where the only violation that was even recruiting
>related was a pre-Freshman working a summer camp, and that OkState provided
>transportation to work at summer camps for team members? There really weren't
>any recruiting edge violations and really nothing even in the league of a star
>athlete receiving an unsecured $50,000 loan, yet the NCAA came down hard...

I can think of two reasons why Okie St. wrestling got slammed by
the NCAA.  One, OSU football was recently (1990?) placed on probation 
so the NCAA felt that the "trend" merited severe penalties.  Second,
I tend to agree with those that assert that some schools are in the 
NCAA dog house for any number of reasons, and that the NCAA will tend 
to be harder on those schools than others, ie, the NCAA plays favorites. 
OSU is not, Washingtion is, simple as that.


>Teresa
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From: rszczerb@boole.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: Possible #1 vs. #2 matchup in major bowl games.
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:59:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.152624.10084@ods.com> scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:
>Alireza Vali (reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu) wrote:
>: Scenario 4: MNC decided in the Fiesta Bowl.
>: 
>: #1 Miami (11-0) vs. #2 Florida State (10-1)
>: 
>: This one will be possible if, again, Alabama loses, and Michigan is
>: tripped up by Ohio State.  A loss or poor showing by A&M will let FSU
>: jump over them to #2.  I would **LOVE** to see this rematch, and I'm
>: sure it will be an incredible game.
>
>Well, this all of a sudden is a very real possibility... 2 of the 3 'ifs'
>cited above have happened...  (UM tied by Illinois, FSU jumps A&M)
>
>My question is: 
>
>Why in the world would Miami play FSU again?  They already beat them.
>Now I know this will bring out cries of "chicken" from the FSU crowd,
>but really, what does Miami have to gain from a rematch?  How could
>they be accused of ducking FSU?  They already played them, AND WON...
>
>So, if they didn't play a rematch, what would happen? (Assuming Alabama
>loses)
>

Well ... they could always play ND in the Fiesta Bowl ... that is
if they're not scared.

		- rob
From: th9708@meibm8.cen.uiuc.edu (Todd Lee Henderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: TEXAS aTm - got screwed
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:28:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bxxyuw.CJw
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:

>In article <1992Nov18.192151.9245@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> wingfiel@lonestar.utsa.edu (Kevin J. Wingfield) writes:
>>        So Lee, you AP voters, and FSU leeches, that this to heart

>Let me see.. what happened when these teams played last?

>You talked about FSU squeaking by.. How about A&M. They seueaked

No one has argued whether A&M has squeaked by.  No one that I've seen
has said anything remotely praising A&M except that they deserve to be
number 3 since they have no loses and fsu has a loss.  A&M has had a weak
schedule, I have no doubt about that, they have played their teams close,
no denying that.  But they have not lost!  fsu has had a mediocre to fair
(nothing to write home about) schedule and has one loss.

Where does this leave us, 1 team that we know is not #1 because they have
been beaten and 1 team that we don't know about, their still finding
a way to win one way or another.  Therefore, you could compare this to
a student that always made a 100 out of 100 on tests, you don't know how
good they are.  Until fsu/Miami/somebody comes to the Cotton Bowl we won't
know.

fsu has had their shot at number one.  They blew it with a field goal.
Now they have to get back in line and wait their turn, this is what their
not doing.  When A&M/Bama have been beaten, both possible before the season
is over, then I would say it should be a Miami/fsu match up.(assuming they
both win out)

This whole thing is getting out of hand.  :):):)

>by a Texas Tech by 1 point, the same team which was beaten by
>35 pts by a not-so-hot OU. They squeaked past a not-so-hot
>stanford by 3 points. They defeated Baylor by 3-points at
>home, the same baylor which lost by 20 pts to Colorado.
>Then recently, they defeated a Houston team by 4 pts which
>was beaten 63-3 by Michigan! Yes, A&M is sure playing like

How do you explain the Houston-Illinois-Michigan thing?  

>a champion.

>NOT!

>If A&M wins MNC this year, then Fres(?) state should have shared
>it last year.. I heard they were undefeated last year.

So your saying that if by some chance A&M/Miami get into the CB and A&M
wins, they still don't deserve the MNC???

If they were undefeated then we really don't know how good they were do
we???

Todd
tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu


>Njan
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: 93 FSU Schedule Request
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:09:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.143944.14602@walter.bellcore.com> lein@cat.uucp (John  
Leinaweaver) writes:
> Could someone post the 1993 Florida St schedule.
> 
> I'm just wondering if they scheduled a div I-AA team or a bye before
> they play Notre Dame  :)

FSU plays at Duke on Sept. 4.  So, for most intents and purposes,
yes.

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From: owen@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Georgia 14, Auburn 10
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:21:37 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <7083@news.duke.edu>, daniel@raphael.acpub.duke.edu (Daniel Crawford) writes:
> 
> Here are a few quotes from today's Atlanta Journal-Constitution:
> 
> "SEC ATTEMPTS TO CLARIFY END OF GEORGIA-AUBURN"
> 
> "The SEC statement said, first, that NCAA rules 'do not allow for
> the clock to be stopped on a fumble when it is obvious the ball has
> been recovered by the offensive team.  The official's responsibility
> is to mark the spot of the recovery.
> "'2. Once the teams have cleared, the ball should be spotted by the
> umpire at the progress point marked by the covering official.  The
> referee shall then utilize the following procedure as outlined in the
> Football Officials Manual:
> "'"After each down the referee is required to go to the approximate
> position of the ball.  He should then check the down and distance with
> the linesman, announce and indicate the new down, then declare the ball
> ready for play by giving the ready signal [the time elapsed during this
> procedure is approximately four to six seconds]."
> "' The referee is not to vary the timing of this procedure throughout
> the game regardless of the condition.  This could result in the loss
> of a down or an inaccurate placement of the ball.'"
> 
> 
> It is apparent, then, that the officials acted exactly as the rules dictate.
> IMHO, AU "screwed" themselves by calling a running play to begin with.  
> 
> Oh, well.

Unfortunately, the SEC's statement doesn't address what happened.  The
question is why, after spotting the ball, the official kept his foot on
it and engaged in a shouting match with a UGA player for 10-12 seconds
*after* the ball was spotted, but failed to give the ready signal.  I agree,
however, that it was not the best call on AU's part, although I was thinking
along the same lines at the time, sitting in the stands.  In my scenario,
though, the play would have been a run from a passing formation, since UGA
was no doubt expecting Auburn to pass in that situation.  Think the new
coach will consider me for Tommy Bowden's job?

Larry Owen
From: tsau@cae.wisc.edu (Johne Tsau)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big Ten Bowls - NEW INFO!!!
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:42:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Nov18.114220.2911
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison

In article <Bxx92G.8DE@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>	Well, the Big Ten ADs yesterday put their heads together and
>	came up with a new plan.  This was consumated at about 4 pm
>	yesterday afternoon.  Since Iowa has been to San Diego three of
>	the last six years, it seems that a mutual agreement was made
>	between Iowa, MSU, Illinois, and the Holiday and Copper Bowls.
>	Now, if Iowa beats Minnesota, the Hawkeyes will go to Tucson to
>	play in the Copper.  I understand that BYU is a likely opponent
>	(again!).  And, the winner of the MSU-Illinois game will now get
>	the Holiday bid, and the loser stays home.  Wisconsin is apparently
>	still in the hunt for the Independence and maybe Freedom
>	Bowls with a win over Northwestern, but nothing is guaranteed
>	for them.  The Holiday Bowl is happy that a team must now win
>	its way into their bowl on its own, rather than having someone
>	possibly backing into the bid, like Illinois would have with a win
>	over MSU coupled with an Iowa loss...
>

I guess Iowa felt that their following would more likely want to go to
the Copper Bowl location than the Holiday Bowl location since they
did go there for 3 since 86.  Plus, since the B10 shares all its bowl
money, it doesn't matter that the copper bowl only pays half of what
the Holiday Bowl pays.

In all possibility, if Iowa and Wisconsin win this weekend (which is
certainly a possibility), the B10 might have 5 BOWL GAMES this year.
Not bad for a conference whose playbooks date back to the 1950's... :)

GO BADGERS! We'll be at the Northwestern game!

--
Johne...   Kariel the Margrave
"The question the truly scientific ask is 'Did God make man,
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From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Michigan: The Great Paper Tiger
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 19:43:18 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <BxsK20.7ro@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wlmg3055@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William L. Myers) writes:
>Weedhoppers!  Comrads!  Rejoice.  The revolution has begun, 
>nothing slows it.  Neither Michigan nor Ohio State, nor any
>of the other 'paper tigers' of the B10.  
>
>And now words from the little red book, Chairman Lou Tse-Tepper-tung
>and others as paraphrased by yours truly.  Please refer to indicated 
>chapters.
>
>MICHIGAN AND ALL REACTIONARIES ARE PAPER TIGERS!!!
>
>CLASSES AND CLASS STRUGGLES
>
>UNITY
>
>DARE TO STRUGGLE AND DARE TO WIN
>
>METHODS OF THINKING 
>
>And a late announcement-
>

Dear Mr. Myers,

     It takes quite a brain-job for someone to post this article.  Would you
please tell me where did you got your lobotomy job done so that I may
recommend the facility to insane serial killers?

     Thank you very much for your kind assistance.

						   Sincerely yours,
						   Louis H. Pang

P.S.  Is it the time to reconsider Communism again?


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From: landers@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Hazard Class Mage)
Subject: Re: Big Ten Review (11-14-92)
Keywords: Big Ten
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:50:33 GMT

In article <BxtrsD.47I@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>
>Illinois (5-4-1) 22, MICHIGAN (8-0-2) 22: 
>	Oh, I forgot.  Michigan fumbled
>	10 times altogther, losing four (Tyrone Wheatley had five of them).

This guy is SOOOO overrated.  He bobbled two kickoffs by a second-string 
freshmen walk-on kicker at PURDUE for no return, leaving his team inside 
the 15.  Jugernacht? I don't think so.  Wheatly played so badly 
(only 35 yards at Purdue against his 127 yard average) that he was 
benched for the second half.

His little Heisman poses twice in the endzone this week were quite
disgusting.  At least no one is hypeing him as a "candidate" (like
the media has any influence on this anyway).

Purdue fans take heart, 4 (3 conference) games were lost by one
touchdown or less (compared to 2 last year), and many of our 
starters are freshmen and sophomores.  Other than Hunter and Jeff Z.,
(Ouch!) we're not losing too much talent.  Next year....

Freshman RB Mike Alstot (who rushed for 101 yards against Michigan's
"#1 defense") broke his ankle at MSU on a tough hit and a slide on
the snow (damn, I HATE astroturf).  Colletto said "it's a clean
break and should heal nicely."  Obviously, he's out for Saturday.
Jeff Hill RB (ankle) and Arlee Conners RB (sholder) are both questionable.
Jermane Ross WR might also be out.

My pre-season forecast for this year's Bucket game was that Purdue 
and IU would both be 5-5 and fighting for a bowl game.  Well, I was half
right (PU 3-7,2-5 -- IU 5-5,3-5).  I'll stand by my original forecast,
Purdue by 3.
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From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big Ten bowls: all three of em :( (okay, four with PSU)
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:08:39 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <Bxtvpn.B3y@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen) writes:
> 
>>>	Rose Bowl: Michigan (maybe they'll even win :)
>>>	Citrus Bowl: Ohio State
>>>	Holiday Bowl: Michigan State or Illinois
> 
>>	This isn't altogether correct.  Iowa can still go to the Holiday
>>	if Illinois beats MSU and Iowa wins at Minnesota...
> 
> 	Also if both Illinois and Iowa win, Illinois will go to the
> Independence, Peach, Copper or Freedom Bowl.  So there will be three
> Big Ten teams in bowls for sure and possibly four if Iowa wins.

	Isn't the Peach already locked with NC State and a Miss. team?

Brett
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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Open question to Notre Dame fans
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:04:46 GMT
Keywords: n

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <1992Nov23.152006.15541@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@hollerith.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:

| Actually, ND starts series with Florida State and Washington in the
| next few years ... we can always play the CANES in the Fiesta Bowl.
| 

Not unless ND can get to #2.   That won't happen if you keep playing FSU.  


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From: hulsey@dbsun.uucp (hulsey)
Subject: Re: TBDBITL members?  (Re: Hail to Those Motherf***ers...)
Reply-To: hulsey%dbsun.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:30:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.005159.937@tessi.com>
   allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>atchison@bagpipe.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Nov17.155522.4171@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
   scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn) writes:
>>>  Mike Doel asks:
>>>>Any former TBDBITL members wish to post the alternate lyrics to Hail to the
>>>>Victors or LeRegiment(sp)?
>
>Hey, I'M an alumni TBDBITL member!!  Who else is that's on the NET?
>
>allen  TBDBITL '79-'82

Me, too!  Only one year, though.

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From: saqx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Lambert Trophy rescued from thugs
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:33:58 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

By defeating the Boston College Eagles on Saturday, Syracuse clinched the 
Lambert Trophy this year, awarded to the best team in the East.  
It's been collecting dust on the Penn State shelf the past few years; 
good to see it back in the hands of a *real* eastern team.  And what's
this about Paterno not "authorizing" the Blockbuster Bowl to invite 
Syracuse?  I suppose too many losses to eastern teams in one year would
give him an ulcer. ;-)  Sure, this year is the exception, but it's still
sweet!

6/4 in the nineties?  Get real, Joe.
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From: costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley)
Subject: Re: All AP & CNN/USA pollsters, read this
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:38:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.205117.1622@u.washington.edu> tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>Dave "Lee Corso" Meeks writes:
>
>>Bottom line, the only explanation I can see for this is margin of victory.
>>Miami has schedule strength, they have Won/lost/tie total, they have defense,
>> etc...  Does anyone out there realize that Iowa, Arizona, FSU, PSU, TCU, 
>>and Temple all had their WORST offensive point totals against Miami???
>>-- 
>>David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
>>VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
>>uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
>>davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
>
>And does anyone out there realize he's wrong?  TCU scored 10 against Miami,
>and only 9 against the Mighty Mustangs of Southern Methodist, including a
>TD on a kickoff return.  I thought of this one off the top of my head, so
>the others may be wrong, too.
>

And TCU only scored 7 against the Mighty Lobos of UNM.
Arizona scored only 7 against both Miami and USC(west).
FSU scored 13 against UVA as opposed to 16 against Miami.
The others he is correct about.


>GT
>
>Since this is the only common opponent, does this mean SMU's defense is better
>than Miami's?
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Michigan, ND, Miami etc ...
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:13:26 GMT
	<BxvC1A.1rC@encore.com> <1992Nov17.235433.7184@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: American Math. Society

In article <1992Nov17.235433.7184@leland.Stanford.EDU> gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka) writes:

   >In article <BxvC1A.1rC@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett) writes:
   >| 
   >> 1. ND played Michigan for a tie.
   >Sorry, you are wrong. (Did you watch that game?)
   >Last week's games demonstrated who settles for ties. 

   >> 2. ND has a loss, Michigan doesn't.
   >FSU has a loss, TexasA&M doesn't.

   >> 3. Lou's headlock on the Ref.
   >Since when is a coach not allowed to care about dangerous plays?

   > 4. ND's fake punt when they were ahead 37-0 over BC.
   >This should impress the pollsters (Mo' points rule).
   >Also, why can't the No. 9 team score over 30 pts. in a half? ND made
   >that mistake vs. Tenn. exactly 1 year previously.
   >At least the punter didn't do a back flip after he made the play.
   >Who would back flip after scoring against Temple, a huge underdog?

   >> 5. ND is the most hated team in football.
   >Wrong.  Miami is. ;) Being hated does not equal lower rating.

   >> 6. All of the above.

   >Gee, real strong arguments. That was too easy. Try again.

Gee, I think he was having fun.  You know, joking around.  Having a
laugh.  You know what I mean?  Try again.



-Alan Harder
 American Mathematical SOciety
 Michigan Fan
 Drinker of Anchor Steam 
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From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject: Re: Michigan
Organization: UMCC
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:51:51 GMT

In article <Bxrx2B.LMn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham) writes:
>graf@inthehat.engin.umich.edu  writes:
>>That Michigan-Illinois game today was pretty bad, but at least the Wolverines managed to get a tie after being behind.  The damn missed extra point lost us the game.  Even though we'll go down in the ranking, at least we'll go to the Rose Bowl.
>
>You bet you'll go down in ranking.  There will no no more whining about who
>should be ahead anymore: Miami and Michigan, or even Bama and Michigan.  If I 
>were you, I wouldn't be too satisfied with the outcome of the game.  I mean 
>really, Illinois was a team that wasn't even ranked in the top 25... and we 
>tied the mighty Michigan.  Also, it was at home for you wimps!!!!  106,000 
>plus people there at the game, and YOU TIED US!!!  HA-HA-HA!!!!  The number 3
>team in the nation, could only TIE an unranked team AT HOME!!!!  How pathetic!!!
>You're lucky that you're still going to the Rose Bowl... do you think that you
>really deserve it after this, and losing to Purdue for 1/2 the game????????
>
>
>  			   	   --------------------------------------------
>								  Jeff Beckham
>						      beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
> 					 	  Computer Science/Mathematics
>                                    University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
>				   --------------------------------------------

Nothing like tieing with dignity, is there?  
Get a life. 
---
Steve

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