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From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Okay: 3rd time's a charm...
Date: 15 Dec 92 09:44:56
Organization: Intel i960(tm) Architecture
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In-reply-to: dmhowe01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu's message of 15 Dec 92 14:20:32 GMT


Bareback is also WARMER when riding in the winter.
--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
From: barb@meaddata.com (Barb Bruns)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: 1993
Date: 16 Dec 1992 18:08:19 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: moe.meaddata.com

How about a year that includes an electronic network where equestrians all
around the world can post and read information about their favorite topic?

Pretty weird, huh?

Barb
From: mspace@netcom.com (Brian Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: stables in the Bay Area?
Date: 17 Dec 92 07:08:34 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


 Just one more note on the Sea Horse Ranch
 My friend and I hauled our horses  to the beach for a ride, Sea horse
 stables was near it. Our horses needed water, so we rode down to this
 ranch. With the ok of the owner we were allowed to get our horses
 water. After that is when the fire works started!!!!!! We headed out about
the same time a group of poor people got on their horses and went out on
 what they thought would be a great ride..... Enter John Wayne (a 16 year
 old employee  BRAND NEW) well as most of you know trail horses can get a weee
 bit sour after a few years of people who do not know how to ride! At the place
I worked at on the American River we would lead or ride those horses a few
times to get them back in tune!!!!! Not so at Sea horse... The kid started
 swinging a 5 foot rope with a huge bull snap over his head while running
 full speed at the horses who were not moving forward..... The snap was
catching several of the horses on the hocks, making a loud crack sound upon
 each blow! By now 15 of the 20 horses from the ranch are in warp speed 
 along this cliff, two of the horses had mothers with very small children
 and four children were also out of control! My friend and I have two show
horses who have really never been out of a jumper ring, you can just
 guess what my little darling was up too? One of the horses in the herd got wise

and did a sliding stop and bolted the other way, John Wayne went into rope
mode and missed my head with the bull snap by two inches!!!! I looked up in time    
to see a father and daughter team (two horses) headed for trouble, leaving my 
 friend behind  I canter behind them and snap my tie rope to the childs horse
and we all stop. My friend and I take seven people back to the barn, leading   
three of them. You should have seen us with are two warmbloods prancing,
bucking and leading these horses! wow what a ride! 
 When we return them to the ranch we are told that roughly 1/4 of the people
on these rides end up on run aways back to the barn..... Have any of you
ever been run away with, along a cliff, with a jerk pushing you on?
I can not even dream of the fear these people must have had! Two of the
 children said they would never get near a horse again?  Of get this NO
REFUND for almost getting killed by a employee ..............

 Please do not think all these places are bad, these horses were thin,
full of worms and with bad shoe jobs! The place I worked had not one thin horse
and a regular shoe and vet care! Our horses did not stand in the urine and heat
with tight girths with missing shoes!

  PLEASE do not use this stable! You would be contributing to the  abuse!!!

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From: mspace@netcom.com (Brian Hall)
Subject: Re: A Hard Keeper
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:35:07 GMT

What do you mean by "makes a horse tie up"?  I think corn oil is what
we use.

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From: ktracy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Karin L Tracy)
Subject: Re: Carlyle Morgans
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:18:02 GMT

                            Karin Tracy and THE MIGHTY MORGANS
From: b_lmcgilve@cpvax.cpses.tu.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: Arabians
Date: 15 Dec 92 09:12:18 CST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas Utilities, Glen Rose TX 

In article <1992Dec15.091902.9025@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman) writes:
> 
   Lots of great information about color in horses removed

> 	Finally don't go scaring the poor person into thinking that a color
> change is a terrible problem, it shouldn't be.  The Registry has forms for
> these things and the fees are not expensive.  I believe they require a photo
> and some kind of explanation, and some proof that the horse is the correct one,
> usually markings or ownership records, and that's that, it happens all the
> time.  Also without seeing a photo of this horse I wouldn't be sure that a
> change of color is necessary at all.
> 
> 					Tracy and everybody 
This is true for Thoroughbreds also.  I have a gray yearling who has developed
a partial blaze this winter - I called the Jockey Club (who registers TBs) and
all I have to do is fill out a form, send in new pictures, and pay a small fee.
If racing or showing in recognized shows, this is important.  If just showing
for fun, he'd pass with his old picture and registration (he has no other
white). My weanling was born a dark bay, shed out to very dark bay, but his 
winter coat is showing gray.  After spring shed, I'll register him as a gray 
because that is what color he is turning to.  He'll probably look bay/brown
for a couple of years until he grays out more.  These colts are out of a
gray stallion by bay mares.

laurel & TBs Rose & pregnant Sweetie & Buddy (6 mos) & Pal (1 3/4)

Not only do I not speak for the company,the company does not speak for me. 
All opinions expressed are obviously mine.  Who else would own up to them?
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: dmhowe01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Appaloosa Question
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:51:37 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <Mf=Abwi00iV182ixAF@andrew.cmu.edu>, ja23+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jean Andrews) writes:
> Strawberry is registered Appaloosa, only yellow papers since she never
> threw any spots.  Which is fine with us.  Since she will be five 
> on May 9 is this a pretty good sign that she will not throw spots ever?
> Thanks.
> 
> Jean, Missi and Strawberry Pai

I have a 1/2 TB Appaloosa (unregistered, no papers, but the color speaks for
itself) who didn't start changing until he shed out his winter coat as a 4- or
5-year-old (he's 11 now, I don't remember for sure...).  Quite frankly we
didn't even suspect he was an App, even then.  We thought he was going to grey! 
He started with a couple of white spots on his rump, which multiplied and
spread each year when he shed.  Now he has a blanket of white spots from his
tail all the way forward to his withers and partway down both sides.  
 This whole thing is rather amusing to me, as my first horse was an App, and I
have something of an affinity for them in general, but didn't know that my
second horse was going to go and change his color just for me!  :> 
 In any case, if you don't want spots you're probably pretty safe by now, but
anything could happen...  Appaloosas are delightfully unpredictable, and not
just about their color! 

Deena Howe

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: A1.MHH@isumvs.iastate.edu (Mary Healey)
Subject: Re: Carnivorous horse?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:21:47 GMT

In article <BzFs9K.EpC@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca>,
Ruth Vale <rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca> writes:
>
>Just wondering whether an occasional munch on dried dog food is
>going to get her into trouble.  She is not prone to colic and is
>more likely to founder than get an upset stomach.  Anybody else
>out there experience problems when horses eat things intended for
>dogs, when I forget to hide their bowl where she can't get it.
>A friend's appaloosa has a liking for hot dogs and she's had
>no problem to date, but dog food?
>
>Ruth
>--
>=============================================================================
>  I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am
>    not sure you realize that what you understand is not what I meant.
>=========================== rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca ======================

Regis is very fond of "flavored" dog biscuits.  (The horrible garish
green or purple or brown or red or yellow kind that are about 2"
long).  My DOG won't eat the stupid things, but Regis thinks they're
a pretty wonderful treat.

I've just recently decided to buy Regis a dog "floss-bone" to try
and redirect his chewing (otherwise he grabs gloves, reins, coats,
etc. and gets them all slimy).

Is there a breed of dog that weights 1300 lb and stands 64 inches
high?  If so, I think I may be riding one!

Mary &
Regis (woof!)
From: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re:  A Hard Keeper
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:39:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 

To: pxjones@crdec6.apgea.army.mil

PJ . A while back I asked for advice about a 30yr old TB hard keeper.
PJ . I got some wonderful advice.  What we've ended up doing was changing
PJ . the sweet feed to New Hope (6 2-lb coffee cans, 1.5 in AM, 2 in PM and  
PJ . 1.5 in evening, has beet pulp in it), adding vegetable oil and soybean
PJ . meal to it and worming every day with Strongid C, plus every other month
PJ . our regular barn rotation of paste wormer (vet says stop Strongid C
PJ . on the days we worm), plus alfalfa hay.  The horse has stopped losing
PJ . weight, but has not put on any noticeably.  His previous feed was
PJ . 4 2-lb coffee cans of an alfalfa pellet complete feed and grass hay. 
PJ . I think if they had upped the amounts and maybe added vegetable oil,
PJ . he might have done just as good or better.   Good luck.

Have you had his teeth checked and floated recently?  Our TB stallion 
died a while back at 28, and we found we had to have his teeth done 
twice a year towards the end.  Our vet said the older the horse, the 
more frequent the dental care.

steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King)
                                                                                                                           
From: twv@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Terry Von Gease)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:02:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Okay: 3rd time's a charm...
Organization: the Lodi Home for the Bald
From: dmhowe01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Recommended Sources:  Is Eventing Humane?
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:13:06 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <6026@rosie.NeXT.COM>, llyons@next.com (Liza Lyons) writes:
> Hi, again:
> 
> Some of the discussion that I was involved in a few months ago with regards to  
> the "humaneness" of eventing has prompted me to do some research for a paper on  
> this topic.
> 
> Aside from Denny Emerson's "Chronicle of the Horse" article (and the USCTA  
> magazine), do you have any suggestions for additional sources on either  
> eventing or other equine sports?  I'm looking for case studies, position  
> articles (either pro or con), and research.
> 
> If you do - and have copies of articles on line - I'd *really* appreciate it if  
> you could send them to me.
> 
> Thanks for your help !!
> 
> Liza
> llyons@next.com 

I recently read a very good article in Horse Illustrated about eventing and
the effect of such a workout on the horse.  I don't remember off the top of my
head which issue it is in, it's either December '92 or January '93.  I will
check on it tonight and post the correct info as soon as I can.

Deena Howe
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: horsey hams dead band last night
Date: 14 Dec 1992 03:06:30 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

I'd like to get involved with the horsey net, but my rig is in a box
in the basement.  I'll entertain any ideas for an inexpensive, workable
indoor antenna.  I can't even put up a tv antenna on the roof of my place.
For now, I'll have to content myself with this method of global communication.

Karen-KC1M
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Tying up (Was:  Re: A Hard Keeper)
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:37:42 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu

I just want to fill in a few bits of information that haven't gotten
mentioned in this round of discussion on tying-up.  (Maybe this should
be a FAQ!)

Tying-up can either be acute or chronic.  It's the acute form that 
follows the typical pattern of onset after a day off at full feed
or after severe stress (you occasionally see horses tie-up in
the 10 minute box at 3-Days.  I once saw a case either hastened
or initiated by a groom dousing the horses back and quarters with
cold water immediately as he came in from Roads & Tracks.)  This
is often so severe the horse can't walk, etc, and the urine may
be dark.  Chronic tying-up may go undiagnosed for long periods 
of time.  We had a mare in the barn once who was chronically rather
stiff and tense behind.  A blood analysis showed evidence of muscle-damage
and she was diagnosed as tying up very mildly chronically.  There were
no other obvious symptoms.

Baking soda apparantly helps to reduce the likelihood of tying up.  I
haven't a clue how it works, or how solid the evidence is, but we feed
about a tablespoon a day as part of a standard basic feed.

Debbie 
deblev@ipac.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (r l taylor)
Subject: Re: Horsey Hams- Net on Wednesday
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:38:18 GMT

In article <689.1002.uupcb@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net> steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King)  writes:

>For those of us just getting into the ham thing, could you post a few 
>items?  I can't find an electronics store in this area (other than Radio 
>Shack which doesn't have much) that carries Ham equipment/literature.  I 
>bought the Radio Shack book on the no-code Technician license, but it's 
>just a Technician test study guide.  I'm looking for:

>1.  a mail-order source of equipment
>2.  a mail-order source of literature

Not that I want to discourage anyone's interest in Amateur Radio, but we
are getting a little off the equestrian topic.  For anyone who's interested,
a lot of these questions are covered frequently in rec.radio.amateur.misc.
There is a *huge* FAQ that gets posted every couple of weeks, as well as
frequent offerings of information from the American Radio Relay League.
(It's great having them on the net!)

So, possibly the best thing for interested people to do, is subscribe to
r.r.a.m for a while.  If you can't, for some reason, I'll volunteer to be
your liason.  Email me with your questions, and I'll do my best to help,
or cross-post them for you (with a request for answers to be emailed back
to you.)  Of course, I'm most familiar with how things work here in the
USA, so if you're from someplace else, you may have to settle for the
latter option.

Steve, I'll email you some addresses.  Karen, I haven't forgotten your
antenna question...I'll get back to you as soon as possible!

Roberta  AA2KZ
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: A Hard Keeper
Date: 12 Dec 1992 20:52:11 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Elizabeth Kaufman (KAUFMAN@biomed.med.yale.edu) wrote: 

: Greetings.  I am looking for suggestions for a low protein feed for a hard
: keeper. Here are the details:

: I have a 13 year-old qh/tb cross who is determined to stay skinny. He is very
: healthy and full of beans. No one can find anything wrong with him. I worm him
: regularly (too often, by his book) with a range of dewormers, etc.. I ride him
: about 4 times a week right now, and he is very fit. I have tried a number of
: different things over the last 18 months or so to put weight on him, but none
: of them have been very successful. Huge buckets of grain are out, as he goes
: completely wingnut on a high protein diet. Currently, I am feeding him beet
: pulp with 2 handfuls of a Charger/Trotter (sweet feed/pellet) mix (otherwise he
: goes on strike) twice a day. He gets as much good hay as he will eat, and has
: plenty of water, and so on. Does anyone have any ideas for putting weight on
: this horse? He needs at least 50 lbs. Thanks.

You probably want to get your horse off of Trotter if he's getting plenty 
of good hay.  Trotter is a complete feed, and complete feeds are designed
for horses that can't have/aren't getting enough good hay.  Blue Seal 
does make a pellet that isn't complete and is minimal in protein.  It's
been a while since I fed it, but I think that it is Stampede--check with
your dealer.

My horse was very irritable and feisty while on sweet feed, and I've 
known a couple of other horses who reacted the same way.

Sterling has been hard to put weight on, so he gets corn oil as part of
his ration.  This works without making him high.  If you do this, the 
easiest way is to buy it in a gallon bottle and get a pump for it.
Start out slowly or your horse may get the runs.  During the winter,
Sterling gets 4 ounces/day, 2 with each feeding.  He also eats a mix
of crimped oats and corn.  If I could, I'd get steam flaked corn,
but it's not available here.  In the winter, he gets more corn than in
the summer.  If you go this route, remember that corn is both heavier
and contains more calories than oats.  This is where tales of corn
making horses hot come from;  too many people make a 1 for 1 switch
and wonder why the horse is now climbing the walls.

Karen and Sterling
(on Dan's account)

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jespah@carson.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt)
Subject: Message for Neal Bauer
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:40:37 GMT

Neal, I've been trying to e-mail you the article on meiosis in the
Przewalski's horse, but it keeps bouncing.  Please get in touch with me
with another e-mail address if possible (the one I have is neal@cnd.hp.com).

Kathleen

Everyone else please excuse this private message...thanks...
-- 
Halfway round the course, up spoke the noble rider:  
 "I fear we must fall back, for she's going like a tiger."
Up spoke the noble horse:  "Ride on, my noble master,
  For we're halfway round the course, and now we'll see who's faster."
From: donnag@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Donna Griffiths)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:32:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Gentle Arabian at Stud
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

Note:  Rahoney is a full BLOOD sister to Bint Gulida, not a full sister
in the regular sense.  Sorry for the typo.  She is a nice mare.

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lbm@avs.com (Linda B. Merims)
Subject: Re: Which way stirrups?
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:35:15 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
X-Posted-From: phobos.avs.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

If I substitute "spurs" for "stirrups," this posting makes sense.

Bad day?

Linda B. Merims
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: A Hard Keeper
Date: 14 Dec 1992 21:13:17 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Just a reminder to anyone feeding beet pulp.  Beet pulp absorbs several
times its weight in water and should be soaked for several hours prior to
feeding.  With the rise in popularity of beet pulp, and the usual  lack of
information on the bags of it, vets are seeing an increase in choke and colic
as horses are often being fed large amounts dry.  

Karen

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: ktracy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Karin L Tracy)
Subject: condensed AMHA/Carlyle Morgans events
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:41:23 GMT

I will try to briefly explain the controversy concerning the AMHA and
the owner of Carlyle Morgans, Maxine Snow.

In Sept. '91, AMHA received, anonumously, a copy of a Morgan Horse
magazine add picturing 5 offspring of a mare, Senora Showblez Vona.
Attached was a letter suggesting that AMHA check with equine experts
to see just how old a horse  must be before reproductive capacity
ceases, and stateing the writer's belief that a farm visit would
find that the mare had died "like so many in the past, of dubious
lineage."

AMHA then ran a computer check of the registry and found only one
maiden mare ---SSV-- who had produced 5 successive live foals after
the age of 25.  At least 4 equine experts were contacted, and all
agreed that it was highly improbable, if not impossible.

In Nov. the letter, computer search results, and info from the experts
was submitted to theRegistry Committee which authorized  the Registrar to
proceed to obtain a second blood sample from the mare (all identifying
names, owners, horse, location, etc., are omitted from Registrar reports
to the Committee; i.e. the Committee did not know, at least officially,
who was involved.)

In Oct. or Nov., AMHA received 3 phone calls, 2 anonymous, and 1 from
an AMHA member, all expressing doubts that SSV was the dam of the 5
foals.  The member agreed to put his doubbts in writing, and a formal
request for an investigation was received by AMHA.  The menber was
not identified, at least not publicly.

On Dec. 10, '91, the Registrar, and several others, including a vet,
made an unannounced visit to Carlyle to obtain a blood sample from
SSV, only to be told that she was in R.I. for special pregnancy care,
but that a sample could be obtained at a later date.  Several letters
were sent to Ms. Snow in succeeding weeks attempting to arrange a
blood sample collection, without result.

In July '92, AMHA received a death certificate for SSV, stating death
occurred Dec. '91, although Ms. Snow had implied as late as May'92
that the mare was alive and well.

Given all of the above, AMHA revoked her membership and registry rights
for 3 1/2 yrs, at which time she may reapply.  She has a 6 month 'grace
period' now  during which she has full registry rights (registration,
transfer, etc.), but at non-member fees.

Since this is a slap on the wrist, I assume she is being punished for
her refusal to comply with the blood sample demand, not for deceiving
the Registry or falsifying papers.  Nothing will be done about the
5 foals, one of which was just named Grand Champion mare at the
Nationals (love to see the Jan. write-up on that one!), and another
was a western pleasure champ.  There may have been a third one also.

There are still some lawsuits and countersuits, but I don't think
there will be anything more done unless an owner of one of the 5
offspring decides to sue.

                       Karin Tracy and THE MIGHTY MORGANS