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From: howard@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (howard l. berkey)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: industrial music
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:19:42 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Apr14.164145.15313@uwm.edu> klf@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Brian Mark Bishop) writes:
>Since everyone on this newsgroup has been saying that I know nothing about
>"industrial music," maybe some of you can clear it up for me.
>
>What makes something "industrial"?  And why is Nitzer Ebb NOT considered
>industrial music.  I have considered Nitzer Ebb true industrial music for
>about four years.
>
	I believe the statement about NE which caused the most flames was
that they were "about as industrial as they come.".  I don't remember if
it was you, Brian, that posted that, but someone did.  Nitzer Ebb is far from 
'as industrial as they come'.  If you don't beleive me, check out SRL or
Test Department.
	As for a "definition" of Industrial music, you must remember that any 
such term (alternative, thrash, industrial, etc...) is not rigidly defined
and can differ from person to person.  Basically, some of the traits that
most music called industrial share are sampled sounds from industry, very sharp
percussive effects, the use of vocals as an additional instrument more than
a didactic tool to vocalize the moral and political views of the singer (a la
U2 or Morrissey), and the ability of the songs to create an emotive effect rather than a response that makes you go "hmm...".  Skinny Puppy, Einsturendze
 Neubaten, and maybe even early Nitzer Ebb are examples of these effects. 
 	 If you wanted to label NE, perhaps 'Minimalist Techno' would be a
 better label.  But who really cares?  Most people I know listen to a broad
 range of music, regardless of what it is popularly considered.  Some of the
 most hardcore industrial fans I know even appreciate the use of the clanging
 metal samples in the Depeche Mode song "Work Hard".  Wasting time and 
 bandwitdh arguing about the relative value/"Industrial Quotient"/etc...
 of a band is stupid and pointless.  Everyone has their own opinions.
 No one really cares about yours, mine, or any other individuals.

	Anyway, this is getting long trying to make a simple point.  If you
want a good sample of industrial bands to check out, try reading rec.music.
industrial.  You might like some of them!
	later,
		-Howard

  


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				    Some have to dance, Some have to kill
Howard Berkey, permanent undergrad                howard@rigel.cs.pdx.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: please.Princeton.EDU!jcgoh (Justin C. Goh)
Subject: Re: Joy Division Covers (was Re: THE SWANS)?
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:19:28 GMT

In article <5419@kielo.uta.fi> memaso@uta.fi (Markku Sorto) writes:
> In article <1992Apr6.201650.24334@bnr.ca>, lisakd@bnr.ca (Darko Lisak)  
writes: 
> > I remember a cover version of'Love Will Tear Us Apart'being done by,believe 
> > or not,Paul Young.I think it was a live version or something.Has anyone  
heard
> > of any other Joy Division songs being covered.
> 
> Yeah I remember when I first heard that...terrible! I almost strangled  
myself.
> P.Young's music is lousy enough,but after he covered LWTUA I have not been  
able
> to forgive him. I have also heard that Grace Jones has covered 'She's Lost
> Control' on one of her singles B-sides. And there is a full album of JD  
covers
> by some unknown artists called 'Something about Joy'.
> 
> Tumpa
Galaxie 500 does a cover of Ceremony.  I think it's on a 12-inch, and I like  
the original much better.  Dessau does a version of Isolation on their first  
album.  Thats all for now.
Justin 
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: odwak@fraser.sfu.ca (Hartley Odwak)
Subject: Re: Field Mice
Keywords: music fine art alternative cocteau twins
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:26:59 GMT

To the person asking about the Field Mice:  I think that they used to
be on an independent label, Sarah records, in the U.K.  Last time I
was in Minneapolis I saw a couple of their independent 7" singles.  

Last I heard they had signed and are about to release an LP.

pen your ears,

H.

Xref: sparky alt.music.alternative:2717 rec.music.misc:13556
From: amcbride@axion.bt.co.uk (Alan McBride)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc,uk.misc
Subject: review: cURVE (ipswich, 4/4/92)
Date: 6 Apr 92 11:43:31 GMT
Reply-To: AMcBride@axion.bt.co.uk
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Organization: British Telecom Research Laboratories
Cc: manchester@irss.njit.edu



Supported by "Adorable" (and weren't they just). 
Quite a tight act by these ride-with-sex-appeal
guitar heroes.  The songs were charming and up
beat with noise in all the right places.  The
band were a little over-enthusiastic dancing about,
and someone really ought to tell the lead vocalist
that his posing/poising with the mike stand 
inverted over one shoulder just dosen't work.
Probably infinitely better in a smaller more
intimate venue.  Good stuff, if naive.

Curve were predictably masterful and flawless
in delivery of their set;  mostly off the
latest offering (Doppleganger) but with Coast
is Clear (a sadly tame rendition) and Die like
a Dog.  Lots of dry ice and strobe. Toni was 
visibly abashed by the open adulation of the 
(very young and principally male) audience, 
although that could be just clever PR.  Lots of 
kids invading the stage, gyrating fasionably and 
stage diving anarchically (huh?). Yeah Toni was 
charming.  We'd have cast flowers had we any to cast. 
The perfect indie-pop gig by the (self-styled)
perfect indie-pop band.  Shame that their gigging
has little more edge than their recorded stuff.
Lots of electronic backup (and why not).

 


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From: s34037k@saha.hut.fi (Marko M{kynen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Australian bands
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:13:07 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland



What's happening down there,any new good bands?

What ever happened to Voodoo Lust,Cracked Jaffers and Screaming Tribesmen?

What are Bill Gibson and Geoff Millne (both ex Eastern Dark) doing these days
and also what are Saints and what is Dom Mariani(Stems/Summer Suns/Someloves)
doing?

When Meanies will release their first LP?

What Australian bands will tour Scandinavia next summer.Last summer I saw
Hard-Ons three times,they are one of funniest bands around.By the way have
Hard-ons any new singles?
The Aint's cancelled their gig here Helsinki,what is reason for this??
Hopefully I will see Hummingbirds someday here in Finland.

Can someone give me information about Australian single clubs(Waterfront
/Au-go-go/Rattlesnake etc.etc.)

-----------------
marko m{kynen
s34037k@saha.hut.fi
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: c9111456@cc.newcastle.edu.au (You can't find justice it'll find you..... (mudhoney))
Subject: Re: Wanted: Listening Suggestions
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 07:41:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.010120.24913@midway.uchicago.edu>, dunl@ellis.uchicago.edu (john  dunlevy) writes:
> Hey out there. I'm bored, bored, bored. 
> Can anybody suggest any truly excellent minor (like regional) bands I
> should listen to?
> I'm especially interested in the Midwest, but also curious about what's 
> happening everywhere else.
> 
> John Dunlevy
> dunl@midway.uchicago.edu

  Do your self a favour get into the meanies.......from melbourn australia
they have just released a new album and are the best australian band that there
is.They shit on the hard-ons.
 
 yarmin.
From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: The Rainmakers
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:34:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken

the rainmakers broke up about 2 years ago.  their final u.s. show
 was in st. louis, final abroad onie either in sweden or norway.

- bob gaj
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Wed, 08 Apr 92 15:39:45 CST
From:         Reid Wood <C09615RW@WUVMD>
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      Re: stage diving
Newsgroups:   alt.music.alternative

Yeah, when I saw Nirvana they got pissed at the bouncers too and started to pac
k up.  The manager came out and told the bouncers to just stand there and not
touch anything or anybody.  Then Nirvana told eveyone to come join them on the
stage .  People were getting really crazy, swinging fro the rafters and shit.
I thought it was pretty cool.  The bouncers were so pathetic that it was
actually sad.  I dunno though, being in St. Louis these days, everyone expects
a riot.  Its kind of funny.
Fugazi on the otherhand were not too into that stuff when I saw them, whatever,
 a year ago.  That was also kind of cool though- i dunno I 'spose it depends on
what kind of mood you're in.
And tonite I'm going to check out the Afghan Whigs.  Wonder whether they'll be
for or against, but I don't really care. I'm very excited to see 'em live..
From: v106lr4h@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric T Sasse)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: new jane's addiction?
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:15:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <45386@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, kimyh@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (?) writes...
>'porno' something in its name........

  Porno for Pyros.
                                  -Eric
From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Subject: Re: looking for DHOH
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:20:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.130406.6131@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes:
>
>>|>    Interestingly enough, HipHoprisy drop inspirators of everyone from
>>|>    Chuck D. to Fugazi.  Also Adrian Sherwood and Meat Beat Manifesto are
>>|>    mentioned.
>
>Okay, I'm intrigued.  But no one in MaryLand has heard
> of them yet.  At least, no one at UMBC and no one at
> the major record stores.  The way you're describing
> them, they can't be that far underground, can they?
>
>What's their label, and what are their records?

    Their new album _Hiprocrisy_is_the_Greatest_Luxury_ should be out
  any ANY store by now (check rap or rock).  They're on 4th and Broadway,
  which is a MAJOR division of Island.

   They also have a couple of singles out, "Television" and "Language of
   violence" which should be as readily available as the above.

    The whole state of Maryland not having the album in ANY store yet is
      a bit surprising to me.

    keep on trying though.  The album IS worth it. (66+ minutes)  K!z!K


Xref: sparky alt.music.alternative:3479 rec.music.misc:14508
From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Subject: Re: Curve's Cherry EP Tracklisting?
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 17 Apr 92 04:34:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.071613.26729@uwm.edu> roscoe@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Larry Allen Roscoe) writes:
>
>Hey...
>
>Can anyone tell me what tracks are on Curve's Cherry EP?
>
>I recently picked up the German version of Doppelganger that comes with a free
>CD-5 consisting of the following tracks:
>
>DIE LIKE A DOG
>FROZEN
>NO ESCAPE FROM HEAVEN
>BLINDFOLD
>I SPEAK YOUR EVERY WORD
>
>I know that Frozen is on the Frozen EP, but are any of these other tracks on
>the Cherry EP?

   Only "Die Like A Dog" from this list is on the "Cherry" EP.
   "Blindfold" is obviously on the "Blindfold" EP.

   I'm not too sure about the other two. Though I THOUGHT "I Speak Your Every
   Word" was on the US CD of _Doppelganger_ and "No Escape.." was a B-side
   on the "Fait Accompli" CD-single.

                                                         K!z!K


Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: eno@leland.Stanford.EDU (Benedict Dugan)
Subject: Nova Mob info
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 19:17:47 GMT

What're they like?
Do they have any recordings out?

Thanks,
Ben

Looking for:
Jason McKenney, Brown University (any address, phone # appreciated...)


Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: wwedward@descartes.waterloo.edu (Wayne Edwards)
Subject: Pell Mell 
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 00:20:11 GMT

Has anybody heard the album "SLOW" by "Pell Mell" (SST Label)?  This stuff
is amazing!  It's all instrumental (a couple of guitars, a base, drums and
a few other things thrown in here and there).  However, the arrangements
are great.  And I would definitely have to say that they are better than 
"Shadowy Men on a Shadowy Planet" (ie good Canadian instrumental band).
If there is one negative, it's that the sound does not change too much from
one song to the next.  Otherwise, it's pretty damn incredible.  I highly
recommend this album if you can find it.

Wayne Edwards
From: reynhout@cs.uri.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Opal (Was: mazzy star info desired)
Date: 7 Apr 92 07:12:43 GMT
Organization: University of Rhode Island, Computer Science Dept.

In article <1992Apr4.000038.18225@news.eng.convex.com> melton@convex.com (Mike Melton) writes:
>
>>pmbooth@cac.washington.edu (Peggy M. Booth) writes:
>>What else has Mazzy done, and does anyone have more info?
>
>You may want to check out the following:
>
>Opal	Happy Nightmare Baby	SST: CD103	1987	USA
>
>Similar sound, same guitarist, different vocalist.

   Do you really think so??  My impression when the Mazzy Star 12" came out,
and then the album, was that it was *very* different from Opal's _HNB_.  It
is more comparable to Opal's _Early_Recordings_ (Rough Trade, I don't know 
who owns it now...)
   Opal _HNB_ is more of an electric, distorted kind of sound.  _Early_ is 
more acoustic, but still Kendra Smith's kind of languid voice.  Mazzy Star's
_She_Hangs_ is somewhat acoustic also, but with Hope Sandoval's drawly voice.
The music also seems to have more of a bluegrassy feel to it.  It's still
obviously David Roback, though.

   I'm *really* looking forward to the May release of the new Mazzy Star.
These three albums, despite their large differences, share one common thing:
they're among my favorites.

   Does anyone have any other info on pre- or post-Opal work by Kendra Smith,
or pre-Mazzy Star work by Hope Sandoval?  (It's much easier to find David
Roback stuff.)  
   The only recording I am aware of with Kendra or Hope, other than the above,
is an album called "Rainy Day."  I originally noticed it because I recognized
David Roback's handwriting on the cover.  It's a relatively old (1984)
compilation with David and Kendra, as well as Susanna Hoffs and Michael
Quercio. (Rough Trade...again, I don't know who owns it (if anyone) now.)
The liner notes seem to indicate that Kendra Smith appears courtesy of Slash
Records.  Anyone with more info?

   Thanks,
   Andrew
   <reynhout@cs.uri.edu>
Xref: sparky alt.music.alternative:3513 rec.music.industrial:5428
From: kwhite@girtab.usc.edu (Non-secur thought flow)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.radio.noncomm
Subject: Re: Alternative radio stations
Date: 12 Apr 1992 04:26:56 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

Hi does anyone know of an easily gotten publication of antenna
configurations for FM- band low wattage transmissions for rural
areas?
send Email to kwhite@girtab.usc.edu
From: tsolis@vax.clarku.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: RE: Bands and labels you may have never heard of...
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:08:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: vax.6APR92.18081338
Organization: Clark University

I have only heard of one of those bands: the Jody Grind.  Unfortunately,
I really don't know anything about them.  Sorry.
From: e7-ew@dv349-3b.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Smiths/Morrissey info needed
Date: 13 Apr 1992 17:41:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dv349-3b.berkeley.edu

         A few questions:

           When is M's video (Live in Dallas) coming out?
           Does anyone have a "This Charming Man" 7" they'd like
                    to sell?
           Anyone willing to sell Smiths concert programs?
           Did The Smiths put out any unavailable B-sides other
                    than the following:
                        "Jeane"
                        "Wonderful Woman"
                        "Work Is a Four-Letter Word"
                        the Sandie Shaw collaborations
                        the live stuff on "That Joke.."
                        "This Charming Man" remixes
                        "The Draize Train" (non-live)
                        "I Keep Mine Hidden"
           Did The Smiths do any touring for "Strangeways"?
                 (obviously touring before the album)
           If so, does anyone have any "Strangeways" live boots?
               (I have 70+ Smiths live songs and >10 M songs I could
                copy and send.  Can't say the quality is exactly studio..)

                     Thanks for all the info/help

                      Tom Cronin         e7-ew@WEB.berkeley.edu
From: rjc@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: rec.music.recreational
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:26:22 GMT
Organization: Centre for Speech Technology Research

In article <1992Apr15.153541.5459@panix.com>, Cliff Heller (ch) writes:

ch> Just realized how redundant this newsgroup name is.

It's not really redundant, however it doesn't seem to work in keeping
away the people who have forgotten that it's just recreation. 

--
rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk			_O_
					 |<
From: zeppelin@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: RE: Love and Rockets question
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:56:49 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


	The song that you are looking for is "Express Kundilini" off of the 
 EXPRESS album by Love and Rockets....if you like the song it is worth picking
 up the CD as it is full of good tracks...as well as a remix of their hit Ball
 of Confusion that originally appeared on "Seventh Dream of Teenage Heaven"


				pete
From: droe@cs.tcd.ie (David Roe)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Love n' Rockets
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:26:35 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin (Computer Science)

I've heard of the band Love n' Rockets, and heard some stuff. However, a
long time ago (about six to seven years) I taped a song from the radio,
ostensibly buy a band called Loven n' Missiles. The D.J.s voice over is
				      ^^^^^^^^
still on the tape to this effect, but doesnt mention the name of the
song. Its about a train, some of the lyrics near the start go..

	The train now standing at the platform leaves for higher planes,
	If you want to ride then why not hop on this one,
	There will be no other trains...

chorus

	All aboard the expres dum de dum dum
	All aboard the expres dum de dum dum
	All aboard the expres dum de dum dum

In the break it goes something like..

	The sun is of the moon
	The sky is of the sun
	The moon is of the earth 

and then peals off into a very long and very weird solo.

I would dearly like to find out

	(a) The name of the song,
	(b) The name of the band and
	(c) if it is Love N Rockets, then what album does it appear on.


Many thanks

	Dave Roe.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: taejoo@next14pg2.wam.umd.edu (Taejoo Jang Lee)
Subject: Band of the 90's: RADIO BLUE!!!!!!!!
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:33:19 GMT

You  heard it here first!!!  One of the cooler bands I've heard recently,  
but still pretty unknown is the D.C. band Radio Blue.  They have a real  
good sound, and their second album "Just like Jane" is awesome.  They  
don't have a major label yet, but I'm sure that 1992 will be their break  
through year.  Look for them!!  Their record company is Mercy Beat, and  
with songs like Uncertain, Paperhouse, Photograph, Everything Goes, and  
More than Me it seems impossible for these guys not to get big.  Look for  
them!!!!!

"... sometimes my rhythm's wrong yet I feel I'm beaten in my own head..."
					-Uncertain
						By Radio Blue
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.radio.noncomm
From: glad@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad)
Subject: Re: *Alternative* Music?
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:24:11 GMT

Eli "Desktop Publisher" Messinger:

>-" Again, *WHAT* "underground radio"?  What station(s) are you talking
>-" about?

Milo:

>	Those that do not converge primarily on popular music.

"Popular" music?  You mean, music which is popular with some target demographic
group?  Like Paula Abdul, Metallica, and the Legendary Pink Dots?

Face it, Milo.  If you're talking about stations which cater to the college-
rock crowd they're as much marketing vehicles as top-40 stations.

And if you're *not* talking about such stations maybe you could tell us in
less cryptic a way just what you *are* talking about.

-- Clay
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: burger@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Schlossberg)
Subject: Re: Vioent Femmes
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 01:51:43 GMT

In article <73523@netnews.upenn.edu> mohagin@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mary K O'Hagin) writes:
>
> The actual subject of this is "Violent Femmes".  To date, I have not 
>herd (heard)) an album from the avove (avXX above)) mentioned group that 
>has matched their original self titled album.  "Add it up" is a memoralbe 
>(memorable)) song.  It must be heard repeatedly to appreciate it in full.
>.
>
>mohagin@eniac.seas.upenn.edu

I like "Add it up" a lot too.  I caught them in Berkeley (bleach!) last week.
To say the least, this was incredible!   THey played for 2 hours, and were
awesome.  Go see them if you can.

Scott
-- 
Scott Schlossberg takes his leave of you. |"I could never be a woman.  All I'd
Drop a line at burger@leland.stanford.edu | ever do is sit around and play with
The Texas Rangers will dethrone the Twins!| my breasts all day."
The New York Giants will be back in 1992!!| --Steve Martin in L.A. Story
From: ez003338@rocky.ucdavis.edu (Tara)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: lush lyrics
Keywords: lyrics, lush
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:20:55 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <1992Apr17.064325.12810@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> cs348a67@ibma5.cs.uiuc.edu (Maurice David Mattis) writes:
>i'm looking for any lyrics that anyone can get me from any of lush's
>albums.  i already have the lyrics to 'nothing natural' off of the 
>single, so if that's all you've got, then it's not what i'm looking
>for.  You may want to post it to the net for anyone that is interested,
>or i can do it later...

I'd be interested in obtaining these as well...
 
-- 
 |Tara Marchand        |  "I am you,  |   "To live is to fly, low and high,   |
 |---------------------| and you are  |  So shake the dust off of your wings  |
 |---------------------|    not me."  |   And the sleep out of your eyes."    |
 |ez003338@ucdavis.edu | -REM, "LMR"- | -Cowboy Junkies, "To Live is to Fly"- |
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