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From: kevin@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Opinions on breed.
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:49:29 -0600
Organization: Metro State U, Minneapolis MN

I guess I need to address a couple of issues that have been brought up in this
thread.  First of all to Chris who has recieved a lot of heat over his response
to my original post.  Chris may have been a bit to broad in his statements to
the affect of "no dog belongs in an apartment." He was rebuffed quite soundly
by opinions expressed in this group, however I would like to compliment him on
the selectivity used in placing his puppies.  He obviously cares a great deal 
about them. 

Second Charlie brought up some very good points about what I am I willing to do
to take care of the dog and what do I want from the dog.  I am well aware that
a field dog requires more maintanence than a "house" dog.  Its analogous to a
sports car vs a family car.  While I am living in South Dakota there will be a
lot of space to take the dog out and let him run.  The apartment my SO selects
will be next to a park or another large open area.  Having a dog that needs to
have exercise tends to make me excercise more than I am apt to without one.
(another plus to having a pooch!)  To summarize, I am well aware of the
reponsibilities that go with the selection of breed.
Another point brought up by "The Ancient One" (Reference to his "older than
dirt" .sig :) was how much activity will the dog face in the field.  What uses
will I put the dog to?  He will be my "Buddy" my companion.  He will go out in
the field with me and hopefully supplement my woefully inadequete sense of
smell with his own.  Allowing us as a team to retrieve downed game more
effectively and hopefully providing more oppurtunities to down game than if I
were alone.  I will not be entering him in any shows or competetions.  I love
animals.  I would not by neglect or abuse allow one that I was responsible for
come to harm.

I would like to thank all the people that have responded thus far to my
questions.  Rather than narrowing the field down your responses have blown the
field wide open.  The most frequently recommended breed has been the Lab but I
recieved recomendations for at least 8 other breeds.  

Happy Holidays Folks!  Do me a favor and pet your puppies for me.


============================================================================
Kevin Whyte						kevin@msus1.msus.edu
	**Representing and speaking for no one but myself.**
"Still, the best augurs are those who divine from the portents of the past. 
They compile phenomenal records." Croaker "The Black Company" by Glen Cook

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From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: Flexi Tie-Out: Does it work?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 03:13:26 GMT


>overhead trolley

I bought mine from UPCO.  Cost $20.  I think RC Steele carries them too,
but I'm not sure.
From: primeaux@carlsberg.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dalmations
Date: 1 Jan 1993 15:25:36 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
Reply-To: primeaux@carlsberg.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux)
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In article <1992Dec31.160209.21081@athena.mit.edu>, mondol@mtl.mit.edu (mark k. mondol) writes:
|> 
|> >	2- they are NOT dumb- possibly difficult to train- he says he's got
|> >a stubborn one but I think it's personality of the dog.
|> Opinions vary on this, the ones I have seen I think of being a little
|> on the dull side, my wife attributes the same behaviour to stubborness
|> or even smartness.  Oh well , no accounting for tastes.
|> 
|> 
|> >	4-They SHED all year round and black and white hairs.
|> 
|> Very true, my wife (whose parents own a dalmation) dresses
|> completely in either black or white - most of the time; has
|> definitely noticed this. It is a no win situation for her. Of course
|> the fact that she generally ends up having a tug of war with the
|> dog , with both of them on all fours, may have something to do with
|> the fact that she ends up covered in hair.

And they shed a lot.  Frequent brushing (I recommend it be done out-of-doors)
helps, though.

|> 
|> >	5-They may have some diet requirements.  If I've got this right
|> >Dals are the only dog with uric acid in their urine(as do humans) and
|> >might have kidney problems.  I thnk it is rare but my co-worker feeeds
|> >his dals a homemade rice recipe gotton from some vet school doing reserarch on
|> >Dals.
|> 
|> This is supposed to be true, it is also supposed to be true that it means
|> that their pee spots don't turn your lawn brown. This was a great added
|> bounus that my father-in-law did not know about when getting the dog. He
|> is a fanatic when it comes to his garden and was extremely pleased that
|> he did not have to teach the dog to pee in one particular spot only.
|> 
|> I would also add that they seem to make good protectors of the home.
|> At least in the case of the parents in-law.  They wanted a dog that
|> would warn of strange people.  The dog is absolutely perfect with all
|> relatives, most all friends, but wants to go for most all of the 
|> tradesmen that come to the door (not the tradeswomen though).
|> 
|> Your mileage may vary.
|> 
|> Regards,
|> 
|> Mark K. Mondol
|> mondol@mtl.mit.edu
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|>
From: trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Successful vacation
Date: 28 DEC 92 18:23:29 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
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Hi gang-
	I just wanted to write to tell you about the great time we had
visiting Hot Springs, ARK with our labrador.  We were in a regular hotel
situation but were lucky to find that there were miles of trails right off
the hotel pool deck.  Our pooch was a prince riding the elevator and
walking through the ornate lobby.  He never failed to turn heads at his
good behavior- we all had a great time. We also took his pet porter which
eased our conscience when leaving him alone the first few times- we 
weren't sure how he'd react in a strange place witha noisy hallway. I guess
all those hours of obedience really paid off.  We met a few other pooches 
in the hotel and all would either bark or strain the owners arm making
certain situations a bit difficult.  Oh yea the revolving doors presented
a bit of a problem since they were really small... we haven't figured out the
best way to approach this situation yet:-)
	Question:  Any ideas on how to keep the hotel's pets ok policy in
action??  When making reservations the manager told me that they were trying
to get away from the pets okay policy since it carried quite a few hassles
with it.  I was wondering if a letter saying how great the place was etc.
and how glad we were to bring our pooch etc. etc.  I just don't want the
manager to think I'm a kook as I can see his point of view too- barking,
jumping, damage to rooms  and coordinating maid service .  I was really 
worried some poor house keeper would get scared to death by a strange dog- 
we used the "please do not disturb" sign quite a bit.  Just seems to me if
they had a few rules like "you must have a pet porter and use it when not in the
room", you must scoop, etc it would help.  Suggestions anyone??
Hope everyone had a good holiday.
Bev
From: trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: I'm perplexed
Date: 31 DEC 92 08:26:42 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
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Hi I've got a question about something 'out of character" with my lab.
He was a real slime ball the other night and just started shredding an
old comforter(quilt/puff) that was sort of piled on the floor at the foot 
of my bed.  He was following me around while I was cleaning house and I
noticed that he stayed in the bedroom.  I did notice once/maybe twice in the
past (with that comfortor) that he seemed to get a little (ahem) weak
kneed around the comfortor.  I t was sort of in a heap and I guess...
well I dunno.  ANYWAY when I saw what he did I made him lie in a corner
for an hour and not follow me around/play/chew on toys.  I also scolded
him..he knew he had done wrong.  After he decided to snooze during his 
punishment I let him get up but didn't really "make friends" with him 
until a short while later.  I don't understand why he did this out of
the blue.  He doesn't really shred anything unless it's an old sock we
play "tug" with or something.  He hasn't shredded doggie bed material
since he was a chewy/untrained pup.  I must add that our live has been
nuts with the dog staying a few nights with me at my mothers and a few nights
with my hubby at our house while we figure out how to dispose of one house.
He has been to my mom's several times and spent a few week-ends there
so he should be comfotable there.. plus we hve his crate/bed/dogdish/toys
etc. there.
	ANY comments/ideas welcome... Do dogs get FREUDIAN?? :-)
BT
From: atman@ecst.csuchico.edu (Johann Sebastian Batchjob)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Skin Allergies
Summary: My dog is biting and scratching himself profusely
Date: 25 Dec 92 06:47:04 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
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We have a shepard mix that has a strange skin condition and I am at a loss
as to what to try next.

Here are the symptoms:
  Skin turns red, and is hot, then gets darker, almost black.
  He'll bite his fur out and scratch all over.
  His nose runs and he scratches it with his forepaws and the carpet.
  Sometimes, when he has fur, he gets little scabs on his back, about the 
    diameter of a pencil (don't really look like bites.)
  There are no fleas on him, and skin scrapings at vets have revealed no
    ticks or mange.
  He has been on Predizone (sp?).  It no longer seems to help.
  He stinks.  To eliminate the odor we need to bathe him about once every
     four days.
  Changing his diet doesn't seem to help, either.
  Aloe vera seems to soothe his skin.
  During the spring he chewed off most of the hair he could reach, but now
     it has mostly grown back.  The insides of his thighs and belly still
     get red and irritated, however.  He also still chews on his hair but 
     doesn't pull it out as much.
 
Any help anyone could give would be greatly appreciated.
Please send email to this address (I'm posting on a friends account):
  hallb@univax.fhda.edu

Thanks in advance...

Beej & Teej owners of Sam and the Renovator
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From: kathy@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu 
Subject: Halti's
Originator: usenet@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:52:00 GMT
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University Computing Services, Norman, OK

	Well that sure didn't work, I guess I'll try posting again!

	We just started using a Halti on our 3 year old Belgian and it works
GREAT!  She put up a fight when we first put it on but I just kept walking
the other dogs ahead of her.  She can't stand it if she's not in the lead
so she had to just ignore the Halti and walk.  She didn't pull at all!
It was wonderful.  This dog has been a total pulling machine and it is
very difficult for me to correct her since I walk 3 dogs at the same time.
She also has a huge hole in the hair on her neck from wearing choke collars.
The Halti will solve this problem too.  Thanks Valaria, and size 2 did fit
her perfectly!
............................................................................
Kathy Greenwood                | Mom to 
Math Major (believe it or not!)|   Loucha and Landry (Belgian Sheepdogs)
University of Oklahoma         |   Ruger (English Springer Spaniel)
                               |   Elsa (German Wirehair Pointer)
.............................................................................
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: why is my dog scooting around on his butt?
Keywords: yuk!
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:40:25 GMT
Organization: .

(David Gutierrez) writes:
>>Yes, we've all seen our dogs do this occasionally.  I've heard
>>different explanations...could someone explain to me why my
>>dog does this occasionally, and what the frequency may mean?
>
>Your dog's anal sacs are full - they need to be expressed. Your vet can show
>you how to do this. It's pretty simple - something like using a disposable
>towel and applying pressure on the area around the dog's rectum.

Or better yet......SELL YOUR DOG!
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From: CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSMSETS)
Subject: Re: Rottweilers
Date: 29 Dec 92 14:39:53 PST

In article <1hqeggINNt4s@moe.ksu.ksu.edu>, on 29 Dec 1992 21:04:16 GMT,
terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull) writes:

>
>rec1@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (robert.e.covello) writes:
>
>>Hi all,
>
>>Does anyone have a lot of experience with rotties.  I am having
>>a small problem with her exitement level.  She's 6 1/2 months old
>>and the one of the best dogs I've ever had.  When we come home
>>she is so excited she won't stop jumping for about 20 min.  You
>>try everything the books and people tell you (the knee, telling
>>her to sit before she jumps) but they don't phase her.
>
>Howdy everybody.  I've been so busy, my net.participation has gone to
>zero recently.
>
> ...Good advice from Terry Hull deleted...

What I used to start with was a penny can (well, actually a sock
full of pinto beans) that I would throw to the floor to get their
attention and say off! After a very short while they got the idea.
What I do with one of my males (the first one I got) was to teach
his that when I first got home he should sit, I would pet him on the
head, then I give the command 'tummies' (I know, sounds stupid telling
a Rottie 'tummies') and he lays on his back while I rub him tummie.
This was the only way I could get him to fully calm down and it still
works.

     --Ed
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From: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Prong collar?
Reply-To: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:54:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.114300.1@opal.tufts.edu>, gbelli@opal.tufts.edu 
writes:
>I read a post (from whom, I forget--sorry) about a pulling dog.  I have 
>trouble with the opposite--a lagging dog--ie "Oh boy!  This is interesting!
>I think I'll sniff it and sniff it and maybe pull my owner out into the 
                                              ^^^^
>street, while I'm at it"  Anyway, the point of all this is that an item called
>a prong collar has been mentioned.  What is this ominously-named thing?
>A choke collar has less than no effect on Spenser--would a prong collar
>be appropriate?  Thanks so much.

Well, you do have a pulling problem :+)

The type of collar used to control a dog is dictated by the dog's
touch sensitivity. A tug on a buckle collar will get the attention 
of a touch-sensitive dog but will be ignored by a touch-insensitive
dog. I believe in using the least amount of force that works, so:
* if you can control the dog with a buckle collar, use it; else
* if you can control the dog with a choke collar, use it; else
* use a prong collar

I use a prong with my touch-insensitive lab (labs were bred to
be touch-insensitive, so they wouldn't notice things like
ice-cold water and thorn bushes :+). Yeah, it looks nasty, but
consider that my dog feels the prong with the same intensity
that a touch-sensitive dog feels a buckle collar.

There are other alternatives, such as harnesses and Halti's
(aka Come-a-longs) that are good for dogs with very sensitive
or weak necks.

BTW, I always tell my students that when you increase the
compulsion (ie, go up the ladder in collars), you must
*double* the amount of praise given :+)

************************************************************
* jane jackson and murphy b. lab, Am/Can CD, WC, CGC, TDI  *
* jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu                                *
*                                                          *
* standard disclaimer applies...                           *
************************************************************

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From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: Flexi Tie-Out: Does it work?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:11:41 GMT


>attach (tether to overhead line) to dog's *buckle* collar

No way.  Harness only.  Have you ever seen a running dog hauled up by
the neck?  Very scary.  Why not be safe?
From: gbelli@opal.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Strange Behavior
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:57:00 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <1gsqseINNq1q@CS.UTK.EDU>, primeaux@carlsberg.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux) writes:
> In article <17DEC199206423870@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, scgeoff@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (GEOFF ELLIOTT) writes:
> |> Hello All!
> |> 
> |> I am wondering if someone could help explain strange behavior in our 
> |> Giant Schnauzer, Rex.
> |> 
> |> We've noticed (not just recently) that he'll stand motionless for nearly
> |> an hour sometimes, with his head under bushes, tables, almost anything.
> |> 
> |> For example, with our Christmas tree, he just stands with his head lowered
> |> under the tree.  He's not destructive, he simply stands.  
> |> 
> |> I'm just curious if any of you out there have had a dog do this and if
> |> anyone could explain this, I'd appreciate it.  We don't yell at him
> |> by the way, but it is comical.
> |> 
> |> Thank you, 
> |> 
> |> Geoff Elliott
> 
> What you have is not giant schnauzer, but a giant schnauzer/ostrich mix.  If
> Rex were a female, yoiu could probably have a pretty good income selling the
> eggs.

If you figure out what Rex is doing let me know.  Spense the beagle apparently
has joined a bureau-worshipping cult.  Yep, he sits and stares at the bureau,
every day, right after breakfast.  I have no clue.

Gretchen & Spense (All hail the mighty dresser!)
From: davek@scooter.intel.com (David Karikas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog barks at a skylight
Date: 23 Dec 92 22:19:28 GMT
Reply-To: davek@scooter.intel.com (David Karikas)
Organization: Intel Corp. Hillsboro, Oregon

In article <ljf97jINN9v2@shelley.aa.ox.com>, njm@shelley.aa.ox.com (Nancy J. Medd) writes:
|> 
|> One of my Miniature Schnauzers has decided that the skylight in our new
|> bathroom is actually someone trying to break into the house.  The skylight
|> is installed on a slanted part of the ceiling, so when Josh looks up he
|> sees himself reflected in the glass.  Although he recognizes himself in 
|> the mirror, apparently this top view doesn't look familiar, so he barks.
|> And barks.  And the other dog (or whatever he thinks it is) doesn't go
|> away so he barks again.
|> 
|> What can I do to teach this silly dog that there's nothing up there?  As
|> far as I can tell, he recognizes people in the skylight, but not dogs
|> (he barks at his reflection, and at that of Tucker, my other dog).  The
|> reflections are only bright enough for him to see at night, so that's the 
|> only time he goes into "skylight attack mode".
|> 
|> Any ideas for how to explain this window to him?  Or should I just work on
|> training him not to bark in the bathroom?
|> 
|> Please email suggestions since I doubt many other people have dogs who freak
|> at the sight of a skylight.
|> 
|> Thanks!
|> 
|> 	Nancy
|> -- 
|> Nancy J. Medd					njm@ox.com
|> OTA Limited Partnership 			heifetz!crane!njm
|> 101 North Main, Suite 410
|> Ann Arbor, MI  48104				313-930-1888 

Have you ever thought of holding him to the skylight to let him check it out?
After he figures out that it's his reflection he may quit. When my doggies
are confused ( Duh ) showing them usually works. 

-- 
Dave Karikas
Intel Corp. Hillsboro, Oregon
davek@scooter.intel.com
From: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: dogs and computers
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:04:48 GMT
Reply-To: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse) says:

>
>
>I am curious as to whether anyone has a dog who recognizes the
>noises made by computers.  Whenever I am working (playing?) on my
>computer at home, Digory comes in and lies under the table.  As
>soon as I start to shut down for the evening my Mac makes some
>strange noises and Digory immediately gets up and heads either for
>his bed or my bedroom whichever room I happen to be headed to.  He
>seems to be able to sense which I am going to do.  Does anyone else
>have similar experiences?  He loves it when I'm on the computer 
>because I'm in one place for an extended period of time.
>
>-- 
>
>
My two K-9 kids understand the computer and the phone pretty well.
Casey the Bouvier knows that she is out of luck for much attention while I 
am playing with either of them.  Toby the Airedale knows that he can get
away with more in the way of mischief when I am tied to my technology! <g>

Both of them know the sounds the PC makes when I am out of the system
and they know before I do when  telephone conversation is wrapping up.
It amazes me how they are so attuned to sounds and the tone of my voice.

Dogs!  Gotta love 'em!

Gail Brookhart
	Toby the Airedale Terrible  :-)
	Casey the Bouvier des Fuddy-Duddy  BIG :-)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to K-9's and K-9 fans around the world!
From: lydia@tarsal.dsg.ti.com (lydia middendorf )
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: doggie christmas
Date: 30 Dec 1992 09:34:14 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments, Austin, Tx.
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My friends got my three Sib. Huskies great gifts!!! They got gigantic "milk
bone" type bones, huge rawhide chew sticks, and a big bag of "milk bones."
My doggies LOVE to chew!!!! (the stories I could tell you!!!)
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From: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Subject: Re: On the breeds' original purposes
Reply-To: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Lab
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 14:58:27 GMT

In article <1h5ou2INNoj7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart) writes:
|><lots of stuff deleted>
|> Many authorities believe that an early use for Dalmatians was as hunting
|> dogs and they have been known to make passable retrievers and bird dogs. 
|> They were even used for boar and stag hunting.  These qualities it could be
|> argued might have been what attracted coachmen to handsome dogs with the
|> wits and protective ability to guard the horses from highwaymen.
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I very well could be wrong, but I thought Dals were supposed to guard the 
horses from other dogs not from people.  If this is the case your earlier
suggestion of using them as a jogging guard dog is excellent. Although, you'd
have to be willing to allow your Dal to get in alot of dog fights, as I 
assume this is what is meant by "guarding".  On another note, I read that
they had an endurance test at the DCA speciality. I believe the Dal had to
run along side his horseback riding master for quite a distance.

-Kayti
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