Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest
Subject: Re: Guess What? System 7.1 is s-l-o-w!!!
From: ibhan@husc10.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan)
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:00:03 GMT

Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu writes:

>I'd like to hear from others about the performance of System 7.1.
Perhaps >we need to bring this to Apple's attention and ask what they plan
to do >about it!

On my Mac II, I noticed no change in performance.  However, I'm now
running on a PowerBook Duo 230, so have no choice but to run 7.1 (and it's
fast).
--
	       -  Ishir Bhan -  ibhan@husc.harvard.edu  -
				     - - -
	   "The sky and the impossible explode..." -The Cure

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 22:24:26 -0500
From: reiserdb@ttown.apci.com (David B. Reiser)
Subject: HP 4M price caveat

Before folks get too excited about the Elek-Tek price mentioned digest 310,
they should be aware that Elek-Tek is an authorized HP dealer. One of the
ways they stay in HP's good graces as a dealer is by not selling printers
themselves outside their district (which was the state of Illinois as of
a year or so ago). I haven't tried to buy a printer from them all that
recently, but I'd doubt their policy has changed. Lucky for me if I want to
buy one from them, my sister lives a couple miles from one of their stores.

Elek-Tek has pretty good prices on a lot of stuff, including HP supplies
(which they can sell mail order). Their service is also pretty good, but the
only returns allowed are for exchange of DOA stuff.

Dave
reiserdb@ttown.apci.com

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 22:55:31 EST
From: Pete Tamas <GNOME%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Hypertalk magazine

Has anyone heard of HyperLink Magazine? I understand it was
published about 1988, focusing on Hypertext? I'm curious to
find out if its still being published. Thanks, Pete Tamas
Gnome@VM.Temple.EDU, Temple Univ, Philadelphia (betw New York & Wash DC)

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 00:26:35 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject: IIvx/performa 600

On Tue, 15 Dec 92 09:15:22 EST you said:
>Is there _any_ difference between the Mac IIvx and the Performa 600?
>Hardware?

The day job's been in the way ;-)  I've been grading term papers and
final exams and haven't been able to keep current answering my mail--

The IIvx has an FPU and CPU cache.  The Performa 600 has neither.  The
IIvx ships with System 7.1 disks; the Performa 600 has a 7.1P folder
installed and ships with a lowly backup program which may not prove too
satisfactory if System becomes corrupted after the hard drive is filled
with other goodies :-(

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 13:00:48 -0800
From: moynihan@venice.sedd.trw.com (Bill Moynihan)
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #296

In article <9212150029.AA26579@SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU> you write:
>
>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 23:29:36 HKT
>From: R12563@PACCVM.corp.mot.com
>
>TO: Info Mac     (INFOMAC)
>FR: Patrick Kwok (R12563)
>DA: 14 Dec 92 at 23:26:41
>
>
>RE: Racel InterLan EtherTalk driver
>
>Do anyone know where can I find the Racel InterLan EtherTalk card
>for Macintosh driver?
>
>Regards,
>PatrickKwok
>r12563@paccvm.sps.mot.com
>
Patrick,

Call Racal InterLan Support Services at 800-LAN-TALK
(800-526-8266) or drop them some email to
engsup@interlan.interlan.com. I believe 2.6 is the most current
version.

Good Luck,

Bill Moynihan
Internet=moynihan@venice.sedd.trw.com or AppleLink=moynihan.b

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 14:33:20 EST
From: Clare Durst <CCD@BROWNVM.brown.edu>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V10 #301

I love the Brad's Clip Art and just downloaded the new one which is
really GREAT, Brad. BUT! a lot of my people have SEs and can't see all
of the screen, which would be ok, but they don't get the scroll bars
so they CAN scroll around. Anyone have any idea why not? Can one scroll
in Hypercard? (I can't do it on my big screen, or indeed resize the picture
at all.) What am I missing here? - Clare Durst (dodging the brickbats
that will be thrown at me for not knowing the answer to a FAQ)

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 13:55 EST
From: Jeffrey L. Needleman <needje@msen.com>
Subject: Lotus 1.1 upgrade--price reduced!

Over at Prodigy, a lot of people were complaining about the Lotus 1.1
upgrade price of $119.00. Here's what one fellow just posted:

>FROM:    JOSEPH GANNON   (VHRT51A)
>SUBJECT: LOTUS UPGRADE - READ
>
>After posting a note on a local BBS to a Lotus software
>engineer stating I was going to sell my copy and go to Excel
>(giving the reasons why, of course - $119 for a maintenance
>upgrade) he forwarded my and another soon-to-be ex-Lotus
>user's comments to  Lotus' marketing department.  Well, it
>seems they listen. Here's an excerpt of Patrick Tyne's
>response (Patrick is in marketing):
>"We certainly can sympathize with any confusion resulting
>from the above situation.  In light of the recent
>frustrations we have observed, we believe it will best serve
>our customers for us to immediately make available a
>'special upgrade offer' to all registered users of 1-2-3 for
>Macintosh R1.0. Effective immediately through 3/31/93, if
>you are a registered user of 1-2-3 for Macintosh R1.0 you
>are eligible for the 'Lotus Technology Guarantee Upgrade',
>and can upgrade to R1.1 for $49.00 (regardless of when you
>purchased your copy of R1.0).  This offer is only available
>directly from Lotus by calling 1-800-872-3387."
>The offer certainly is more reasonable than what they
>originally offered. Now I and others have to make a
>decision. BTW, the "R" stands for Release.  How about that
>Jeff?
>
> Joe in N. Potomac, MD 12/20/92 6:15PM ET

I told Joe I thought it was great and that I'd pass the word on--which I've
done now...

Jeff Needleman  <needje@msen.com>

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 22:53:39 EST
From: Pete Tamas <GNOME%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Mac 512

> From: kkirksey@world.std.com (Ken B Kirksey)
> Someone just gave me a 512k (w/ external floppy) in exchange for
installing
> an accelerator in his SE for him.  Good deal, huh? :)
>
I think so.

> Anyway, the question now is what to do with it.  Are there any good and
> cheap accelerators out there for the 512k?  What about old serial hard
> drives?  Any other suggestions?  Thanx in advance.
>
If I had the same opportunity, I would give or loan  it to my girlfriend
who has 2 elementary school aged children. Since I learned a lot about
Macintosh using a 512K, I imagine they could too.

As other people have almost certainly already replied (I'm VERY
behind on my mail!) your problem will be upgrading RAM, ROM
and drive space before you'd be interested in using it or accelarating
it. -Pete Tamas
Gnome@VM.Temple.EDU, Temple Univ, Philadelphia (betw New York & Wash DC)

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 00:05:19 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject: Macintalk?

On Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:35:16 +1000 you said:
>Following an earlier suggestion I downloaded 'If Monks had Macs".
>Turbogopher took 2.5 hrs at 2400 baud. There was lots of fascinating
>stuff there and some bits that would work with Macintalk, but, as far as
>I could tell, no Macintalk.

I'm sorry to hear to have pointed you in the wrong direction.  I got
'If Monks had Macs' from the Boston Computer Society, and MacinTalk was
part of the package.  I made the error of *assuming* it would be
included in the uploaded version as well :-(

Someone recently uploaded an update to version of MacinTalk that
Baseline publishing distributes with the Talking Moose to Genie.  I've
send an inquiry to Baseline about it.  If Baseline has no objection (if
the copy on Genie isn't one that shouldn't be there), perhaps I can
archive it at sumex (it seems to work no better or worse than the
previously discussed version 1.3.1).

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 10:22:19 -0500
From: brad@n1mnb.oau.org (Brad Ackerman)
Subject: MacLayers

How do I get the MacLayers Unix side to compile under SysV?  And where, and
what is the filename, of the current version of MacLayers?

-Brad Ackerman (brad@n1mnb.oau.org)

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Date: 21 Dec 92 09:54:28 U
From: "Richard Tanner" <richard_tanner@msmailbo.gatech.edu>
Subject: Mac Quadra 900- Apple Menu

I am having a problem with starting Apple Menu items.  I cannot get  MS-Mail,
Chooser, Calculator, etc...., to start when selected.  You see the Title Bar
flash the name of the selected app then it closes.  So it starts then stops in
the middle of the initializing process.  The only way I can get these items to
run is to open MS Word or Pagemaker, or some large applicaton, then select the
items and they will open.
I had this same problem a while back. But after I upgraded my system software
to 7.1 the problem no longer occurred.  Then one day I was running
multiple/different copies of NCSA Telnet and the next thing I know I am having
the same old problem again.

Any solutions or suggestions would be much appreciated.  Please respond to me
directly at:
richard.tanner@business.gatech.edu

Thanks.         -Richard

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 22:52:48 EST
From: Pete Tamas <GNOME%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Macs and Pets

> Furthermore, anyone with an ounce of common sense ought to know better than
> to allow a cat (of which I own three) in the same room as your computer
> equipment.  Cats shed hair like crazy, and that in itself is not good for
> laser printers, disk drives, nor any other mechanical equipment.  I keep
> my cats out of my computer room.  Period.
>
I've known (other people's) pets that chewed through wires. Zap!!!
Ex-Macintosh. Ex-pet.-Pete Tamas
Gnome@VM.Temple.EDU, Temple Univ, Philadelphia (betw New York & Wash DC)

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 09:12:50 PST
From: driear@hal.com (Joe Driear)
Subject: MicroMac & Radius Pivot

>       Date: Fri, 4 Dec 92 15:10:26 PST
>       From: Yoram Ney <yoram@ibmpcug.co.uk>
>       ...
>       2. What's the difference between the Pivot Color and the Pivot Color
LE
>       in terms of features and especially PERFORMANCE. (sharpness etc.)

I can't comment about the Color Pivot, but I'm returning my Pivot Color LE
to the dealer today because it proved impossible in three tries to get a
system (board + monitor) which didn't display single-pixel black lines as
grey blurs in portrait mode.  Maybe I've been unlucky, but from my experience
I couldn't recommend the LE.                    --joe (driear@hal.com)

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 00:36:13 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject: More on Apple's (Non) Use of FPUs in New Macs

On Wed, 16 Dec 92 14:17:49 -0500 you said:
>>In a previous infomac, Alan Hewat notes that Apple seems to be real confused
>>about putting FPUs in the newer Macs. I agree!! In particular, the
>>decision to leave the fpu behind on the desktop when you unplug the
>>portable part of the DUO computers, is just a crazy decision!! What an
>>oversight! If I need an FPU at my desk, then I need it on the road!!
>
>    How many times are you going to be doing Photoshop Unmasks while you
>are on the raod with your DUO 230 and it's Gray-scale LCD display?
>Chances are the answer is going to be zero...

The day job's been in the way ;-)  I've been grading term papers and
final exams and haven't been able to keep current answering my mail--

Some of us actually use computers to, er, COMPUTE!!  Alan and I both own
compiler software that comes in FPU and non-FPU (pick ONE) flavors.  It
really confuses the poor app when the FPU vanishes.  While the Duo Dock
is clever, it won't deal with changing what appears to be an identical
app to its (unacceptably slow) nonFPU version.

I rather like SPSS Mac (the FPU version--the nonFPU version is TOO
SLOW!).  I don't use it every day.  Apple may be right; I might use it
(and other requires FPU software) less than 10 percent of the time.
Pity Apple can't design a computer with a ten percent FPU ;-)

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 13:59:00 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject: More on Apple's (Non) Use of FPUs in New Macs

On Mon, 21 Dec 1992 09:30:52 -0500 (EST) you said:
>>Some of us actually use computers to, er, COMPUTE!!  Alan and I both own
>>compiler software that comes in FPU and non-FPU (pick ONE) flavors.  It
>>really confuses the poor app when the FPU vanishes.  While the Duo Dock
>>is clever, it won't deal with changing what appears to be an identical
>>app to its (unacceptably slow) nonFPU version.
>
>    These are all valid and very good points, but in those cases where
>you have that need for an FPU, then the current Duo line isn't right for
>you. But there is a choice for people who want mobile computing with an
>FPU.

Indeed.  That's the main reason I opted for a PB 170 instead of the 140.
I DO like the active matrix display, but it IS a luxury.  At present
there's NO portable FPU Mac option that doesn't impose the requirement
to buy the glitzy display option as well :-(  I have saw a MacWeek
report about a third-party FPU option for the PB 140 and 145 (I assume
it'll be possible to install one in a 160 as well).  It's not clear that
installing the thing is consistent with the PB warranty, and in any
case, it's MUCH more expensive than it would be if the PB 160 at least
had an FPU socket (most of the newer MeSsy DOS notebooks have sockets at
least).

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 13:30:04 MEZ
From: David Steiner <DSTEINER@dosuni1.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>
Subject: Network Advice

Hello Netters,
Here's a little something to chew on between bouts with the Christmas
turkey.

We are getting ready to set up a departmental network and, not being a
network guru (except by default here), I would welcome a few opinions.
(By the way this is a little long, please bear with me.)

Background:
We  have 8 Sun workstations networked together (TCP/IP, Ethernet). To this
network, we want to add 15-20 PC's and 3 Macs (for us I-would-rather-die-
than-give-up-my-Mac types), all running on one cable.

What we want:
-  The ability to transfer files between the platforms.
-  The ability to share printer resources on the PC's.
-  The ability to send email between the platforms and to the internet.

What we don't need:
-  The ability to use PC resources from the UNIX boxes.

What we are planning so far:
-  We will install Novell, which pretty much takes care of the PC
   side, early in February.
-  We will install the something (probably also Novell) to handle the
   Mac side at some later date (find-the-funds syndrome).

I know this sounds a lot like a PC or Novell question but before anyone
gets the urge to flame me, let me just say that it is the Macintosh part
of the whole thing that is causing my headaches. We are dealing with a
Novell handler here that has little experience with heterogeneous nets and
even less with Macs. His suggestion was to install cc:mail because it runs
on Macs and PCs and has a (expensive) gateway to SMTP and UNIX.

At first this sounded good. Then I checked out the MacUser reveiw of email
packages from earlier this year and found out that I would need AppleShare
software to run cc:mail on the Macs, thus effectively driving the per seat
cost to well over several hundred dollars!

We are desperately trying to find alternative scenarios before our dealer
has to go out and order the software. We have looked at QuickMail (then
we would have to add at least one of the Macs in the intitial installation
which was not planned) or Chameleon from NetManager, Inc. which takes care
of the PC email to UNIX side but leaves me wondering what to use on the
Macs.

What I looking for (finally):
-  Any suggestions on possible configurations for this mess.
   o  Do I teach the Mac users how to log onto UNIX with Telnet to read
      their email?
   o  Anything out there that talks to Chameleon on the PC?
   o  etc. etc.

Thanks for putting up with the verbosity here, but since I won't be around
to answer email until after New Years, I figured I would give you as much
info as possible.

You can reply direct, I will summarize if anyone else is interested.
Thanks.

Merry Christmas to all, and to all, a Good Night!

David R. Steiner
Research Assoc. - Remote Sensing & GIS
ISPA - Uni. Osnabrueck, Vechta Germany

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 14:15:34 EST
From: "Allan M. Bloom" <IRBLOOM@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Network Software Installer 1.3 (Q)

I got the 1.3 Network Installer today, and I've a question about the
new Network control panel. The popup menu (1) vibrates, and (2) does
not seem to work. It shows the first (alpha order) zone on the campus
ethernet (AOE Zone), and the box changes width continually. When I pop
the menu, I can select the right zone (Twilight Zone), but the menu
box vibrates for a second and then returns to showing the AOE Zone.

I decided that wasn't a great idea and overlaid the Version 3.0 Network
control panel with the one that came with the System 7.1 disks.

Environment: Asante MacCon3 Nubus card, basic System 7 file sharing. I
did an "easy install" from the 1.3 installer disk. That doubtless wiped
most everything that the Asante installer put on.

Do any of y'all have any ideas on this one?

Al Bloom, Virginia Tech

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 00:16:00 EST
From: Murph Sewall <SEWALL@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Subject: Partitions

The day job's been in the way ;-)  I've been grading term papers and
final exams and haven't been able to keep current answering my mail--

On Sun, 13 Dec 92 13:10:14 EST you said:
>Can anyone help me here?  I would like to create about a 7MB partition
>on my PB 100's 40 MB drive to hold System 6.0.8 and THINK C.  Then, when
>I need more RAM to compile something under THINK C, I can use the
>"Startup Disk" control panel to set startup to that partition and I then
>have enough RAM to use THINK C.
>
>Now my problem.  Apple's HD SC setup will not, for some reason allow me
>to create more than 1 Macintosh partition on the same drive.
>
>Is what I want to do possible?  If so, are there any shareware utilities
>out there that will allow me to make multiple HFS partitions on the same
>drive?

Apple's HD SC Setup is minimal formatting software.  There are no
noncommercial utilities that I'm aware of that will put multiple HFS
partitions on a drive.

However, do not despair.  You really can have more than one System
Folder on a single volume (I've rarely had occasion to have more than
two, but I've seen a developer's drive with six).  Naturally, you have
to give the folders different name (Think C System, for example :) and
only one can be 'blessed' (the startup folder) at a time.

get /info-mac/util/system-switcher-11.hqx to use when you want to change
>From one to another (its really easier than using the Startup Disk
Control Panel whether you've got multiple system folders on one volume
or are using more than one volume).

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Date: 21 Dec 1992 16:57:45 -0500 (EST)
From: "ibhan@husc10.harvard.edu"@HUSC3.HARVARD.EDU
Subject: Performa 600 vs. IIvx

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