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Newsgroups: aus.followup
Subject: Re: Australian Products
From: pjk@mod.dsto.gov.au (Peter Kootsookos)
Date: 26 Jan 93 08:34:58 CST
 <ADT.93Jan18171826@saussure.technix.oz.au> <1993Jan19.103841.165566@dstos3.dsto.gov.au> <C18tp8.AGC@research.canon.oz.au>
Distribution: aus

mpulver@research.canon.oz.au (Mark Pulver) writes:

>Austek Microsystem was not bought out by a US company. 

Perhaps not technically.

>Austek Microsystems Pty Ltd was the Australain design house.
> :
> [ description of carefully orchestrated buy-out and move-out deleted ]
> :
>The Australian company was forced to closed down, because the US office
>called in intra-company debts.

Excuse me if I'm being thick, but I'm uncertain about the initial startup
of Austek. 

I thought that Austek was started up in Australia, and that its sales 
office (which obviously needed US support) was in the US.  If so, it seems
(from your description of events) that the "sales office" eventually
took over the running of things completely.

Ciao,

Peter K.
pjk@mod.dsto.gov.au

Newsgroups: aus.followup
From: andrew@medici.trl.OZ.AU (Andrew Jennings)
Subject: Re: Australian Products
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 00:33:08 GMT

From article <1993Jan20.221058.4982@trl.oz.au>, by guillaum@pogo.trl.OZ.AU (Andrew Guillaume):
> Taso Hatzi writes in reply to Andrew Tune:
> |: 2) Why is it better for someone to buy something from Australians and
> |: bring benefit to Australia than to buy something from (say) Koreans
> |: and bring benefit to Korea?
> |


I don't think this is a <moral> question. We shouldn't encourage people only
to buy locally. However in Australia many people buy imported goods when the
local product is cheaper and better. Perhaps its best to buy the highest
quality goods at the best price. That way the good producers prosper and the
poor ones fail. Perhaps there are some other factors that you might like to
consider when you buy things: how do they treat their workforce? Are they
the sort of company you like to donate money to?

The idea of exporting Australian jobs assumes that there are other countries
that could do the job cheaper at lower cost. Look at the OECD survey of
economies, it is not at all obvious where to export the jobs to. 

There is a myth that Australia is a high wage country. Its not true. Repeat
after me: "Australia is not a high wage country." See, you're getting the
hang of it already.

a.jennings@trl.oz.au               phone  : 61 3 253 6241 fax : 61 3 253 6173
Andrew Jennings   AI Systems       Telecom Australia Research Laboratory
From: mpulver@research.canon.oz.au (Mark Pulver)
Newsgroups: aus.followup
Subject: Re: Australian Products
Date: 22 Jan 93 06:51:08 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia

In article <1993Jan19.103841.165566@dstos3.dsto.gov.au> pjk@manta.dsto.oz.au (Peter Kootsookos) writes:
>adt@technix.oz.au (Andrew Tune) writes:
>
>
>Yes, they are separate issues, but they are by no means unrelated.  Take, for 
>example, the formerly Australian company Austek Microsystems.  They
>were bought out by a US company, and now Austek is non-existent in Australia.
>They are now delivering no benefit to the community here, no jobs, no
>money, no export $. Nothing.  This is what people are worried about.
>

Austek Microsystem was not bought out by a US company. 

Austek Microsystems Pty Ltd was the Australain design house.
Austek Microsystems XXX  was the US based marketing/sale house.
They were both owned by Austek Microsystems YYYY, a US company with
about 50/50 Australain/US board members.  This was done so if it went public
it would do it on the US stock market.

At some point the head office was moved the US side, because that the sales
side.

The Australian company was forced to closed down, because the US office
called in intra-company debts.
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Newsgroups: aus.followup
Subject: Re: Australian Products
From: pjk@mod.dsto.gov.au (Peter Kootsookos)
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:29:53 CST
 <ADT.93Jan18171826@saussure.technix.oz.au> <1993Jan19.103841.165566@dstos3.dsto.gov.au> <9301917.24929@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
Distribution: aus

raob@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (r. oxbrow) writes:

>Rather than sulking about the sale of Austek to a US company you should ask 
>your self why it happened.

Ken Wood (among many other ex-Austek employees) is far more qualified than I 
am to speak about such things.

>	- speak to the OZ companies that invested in Austek.
>	  (they invested far more than $A0.02)

Whatever.

You have missed the point I was making:

	This is one reason why people in Australia are somewhat neurotic
	about foreign companies, they fear the operation will be moved 
	off-shore.

>Of course the Government could invest in such companies.. 

Eeek!  Don't just look at the VEDC, what about the SA State Bank and WA, Inc.
scandals as well.  I don't think this is a particularly good idea.

Ciao,

Peter K.
pjk@mod.dsto.gov.au
From: mark@coombs.anu.edu.au (Mark)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: Censorchip on AARNET
Date: 20 Jan 93 23:14:59 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2
Organisation: Wassat?!

tcl@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Charles Layton ) writes:
>carol@ee.uts.edu.au (Carol Gibson) writes:

>>What I want to know is - who banned alt.sexual.abuse.recovery?
>>(Apparently it got lumped in with all the other alt.sex newsgroups -
>>which is an entireley inappropriate generalisation). Who does one
>>have to lobby to get this ban revoked?

>It seems to me that the best way to solve the recurrent requests for
>various banned newsgroups is to for some site to import them independant
>of the current link.  If the GIF groups were not included this could
>be done for a relatively small cost.  All that is needed is
>	(1) a site to do it
>	(2) a small contribution from everyone who has expressed a desire
>		for one of these groups
>	(3) organisation - probably the hardest bit.

Slight problem in that they arent allowed to be carried on internal AARNET
links either. 

Mark
mark@coombs.anu.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: tnorthtj@cc.curtin.edu.au (Tim North)
Subject: AAP news feed project: status?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:38:33 GMT

I have a copy of an AARNet Project Report entitled "AAP News Feed" by
C.D. Keen. I'd guess that it's a year or two old now, but it talked about
developing a way to supply the AAP wire news service to AARNet members.

What is the status of this project? 
 
Cheers,
Tim North.
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From: C.Chaundy@its.unimelb.EDU.AU
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,aus.netstatus
Subject: Downtime notice: Vic Affiliate hub 26/1/93
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:27:43 +1100
Organization: The University of Melbourne

The Victorian Affiliate hub will be down for about 15 minutes between 17:00
and 17:30 on Tuesday 26 January 1993 to replace a defective interface card.
-- 
Chris Chaundy (Technical Manager, Networks)

Information Technology Services, Thomas Cherry Building,
The University of Melbourne, Parkville, Victoria 3052 Australia
Phone:    +61 3 344 7045                Fax:   +61 3 347 4803
Internet: C.Chaundy@its.unimelb.EDU.AU 	(X.121 505233430003)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: hadgraft@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (Roger Hadgraft, Civil staff, ext 4983)
Subject: PC access to AARNet - tracing the user
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:59:50 GMT

We have a situation at Monash where access to telnet, ftp, etc is prohibited 
from our PC Labs because we cannot guarantee that we can trace who the user is 
(an AARNet requirement apparently). This is a nuisance because it also measn 
barring access to wais, gopher, www, etc which are emerging technologies, and 
which could have interesting implications for distance education and 
resource-based learning.

Are other universities the same? Is this a reasonable policy in the light of 
users on other machines (eg. Unix) being able to forge new items etc even when 
logged in?

Roger

--
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Monash University, Clayton, Victoria, AUSTRALIA, 3168.
phone: 03 565 4983  fax: 03 565 4944 or 3409 intnl: +61 3 565 ....
e-mail: roger.hadgraft@eng.monash.edu.au
From: ccw@deakin.OZ.AU (Craig Warren)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: When will archie be updated?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 12:48:23 +1100
Organization: Deakin University
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: rastaban.cc.deakin.oz.au

thecure@ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew aardvarkious) writes:

>For _aages_ now I've been seeing..


>NOTE: THIS IS VERSION 2.1 OF ARCHIE
>      VERSION 3.0 is CURRENLY IN ALPHA TEST. SHOULD BE RELEASED
>      TO THE WORLD IN A MONTH OR SO.

>YOU ARE RUNNING ON ARCHIE.AU (sometimes known as plaza.aarnet.EDU.AU)

>If you have any problems with archie, send mail to ccw@archie.au

>"A month or so" was like 5 months ago wasn't it ?

It is now in Beta, and I hope it will be out before the end
of February. Part of the delay has been the time demands on
the authors of archie. They are currently sleeping off
Christmas, and will be returning to work fresh to complete
the 1 client that still needs writing RSN.

>(not that I'm complaining, it just seems wierd when you search for something
>and the % indicator starts going negative because excess information
>has been added than oroginal though of. (or am I wrong?))

No, this is a simple bug triggered regardless of the
quantity of archie info. It is fixed in Archie 3.0

Regards, Craig.


Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: root@splat.aarnet.EDU.AU (Conan the System Operator)
Subject: Re: Questions?
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:04:04 GMT

rbennet1@neumann.une.edu.au (Robert Bennetts.) writes:
>	Can someone tell me what facilities they offer at Grifith University in Brisbane.
>	I may be studying there this year, and I am an Internet/Usenet addict, and would not want to loose access to the AARNET.
>	Can someone tell me if they have such facilities at Grifith U and if so , who can access it (eg 1st, 2nd year compsci, or if you pay????).
>	If there is somewhere els I should be asking this question, please tell me where.


That depends on what campus your at.

The best way to get information about this is to e-mail
dconnors@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au. He is the president of the student computing
ass. and the best person to speak too.

Dave      tucker@splat.aarnet.edu.au

Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: pod@sour.sw.oz.au (Paul O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: apparent censorship of some newgroups
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:39:31 GMT
Keywords: big brother

In <1jqmgvINN49t@kralizec.zeta.org.au> craig@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Craig Dewick) writes:

>This has probably already been thrashed out,

Yes it has.

>but why is it that certain
>newsgroups are being prevented from reaching our shores?

>As an underlying link to Internet, this automatically consigns AARnet
>administrators to follow Internet policy, which is that ALL information should
>be freely available to ALL users of the system. It's obvious that AARnet's
>admin people believe otherwise.

Hmmm, first I've heard of such a policy.  Do you have a reference
for it?  Be careful not to confuse Usenet with the Internet.
-- 
Paul O'Donnell - Softway Pty Ltd         |"You're just saying that because
Internet: pod@softway.sw.oz.au           |you don't understand art."
Phone: +61 2 698-2322 Fax: +61 2 699-9174|     - Jeremy Fitzhardinge
From: daemon@jatz.aarnet.edu.au ()
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: i
Date: 27 Jan 1993 15:45:59 GMT
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Reply-To: "Tim wise" <TJW@buc.edu.au>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.130.204.4

> From:          Anne Isherwood <aei@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>
> Subject:       i
> To:            aarnet-contacts@aarnet.edu.au
> Date:          Wed, 27 Jan 93 10:34:04 EST
> Cc:            aus.netstatus@aarnet.edu.au, aus.aarnet@aarnet.edu.au

> The DDN link between the Victorian Hub and Ballarat University College went
> down at approx. 02:42 today. Telecom are investigating the problem.
>
>
> Anne Isherwood
> ITS, University of Melbourne
>

Local power failure in Mt Helen area, things recovered about an hour ago!

(Power back at about 10:20 am)

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From: daemon@jatz.aarnet.edu.au ()
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: AARNET Victorian Hub/Ballarat University College
Date: 27 Jan 1993 00:14:13 GMT
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Reply-To: Anne Isherwood <aei@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.130.204.4

The DDN link between the Victorian Hub and Ballarat University College came
up at approx 11:00. Problem was due to power failure because of a lightning
strike at the Ballarat end.

Anne Isherwood,
ITS, University of Melbourne
From: daemon@jatz.aarnet.edu.au ()
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: AARNET National Hub/NT link
Date: 27 Jan 1993 04:20:36 GMT
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Reply-To: Anne Isherwood <aei@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.130.204.4

The DDN link between the National Hub and the Northern Territory University
came up at approx. 13:25 today. The problem was due to a power shutdown at
at NTU's computer facility because of faulty air conditioning there.


Anne Isherwood
ITS, University of Melbourne
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson)
Subject: Re: PC access to AARNet - tracing the user
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 05:07:00 GMT

We have a lab of PC&Macs behind a locked door, with Operator cover (mainly
there to take the money you understand...) and every user shows ID before
sitting down.

Whilst we don't let them off campus, we sometimes think this lab is probably
more trustable than some staff PC's behind closed doors, and beats terminal
servers (unsecured, that is) hands down. Of course its fascist, and scales
terribly.

There ain't one model that applies network-wide. Dat's the story of Networks
innit?

	-George
--
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G.Michaelson@cc.uq.oz.au The Prentice Centre      | There's no  market for
                         University of Queensland | hippos in Philadelphia
Phone: +61 7 365 4079    QLD Australia 4072       |          -Bertold Brecht
From: markus@octavia.anu.edu.au (Markus Buchhorn)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Bureau of Meteorology, anyone ?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 22:00:58 GMT
Organization: Australian National University, Canberra
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.5.35
Originator: markus@octavia


Is the Bureau of Meteorology (Melbourne, or any others) on the net/
reachable via email ?  Any help greatly appreciated !

Cheers,
	Markus


-- 
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email = markus@octavia.anu.edu.au
Australian National University, Canberra, 0200 , Australia.
[International = +61 6, Australia = 06] [Phone = 2492930, Fax = 2490747]
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email = markus@octavia.anu.edu.au
Australian National University, Canberra, 0200 , Australia.
[International = +61 6, Australia = 06] [Phone = 2492930, Fax = 2490747]
From: daemon@jatz.aarnet.edu.au ()
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: i
Date: 26 Jan 1993 23:34:11 GMT
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Reply-To: Anne Isherwood <aei@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.130.204.4

The DDN link between the Victorian Hub and Ballarat University College went
down at approx. 02:42 today. Telecom are investigating the problem.


Anne Isherwood
ITS, University of Melbourne
From: daemon@jatz.aarnet.edu.au ()
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: AARNET link between National Hub and NT
Date: 26 Jan 1993 23:46:29 GMT
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Reply-To: Anne Isherwood <aei@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.130.204.4

The DDN link between the National Hub and the Northern Territory University
went down at approx 05:00 today. This was due to a power shutdown at the
NT end because of air conditioning problems at the computer facility.


Anne Isherwood
ITS, University of Melbourne
From: daemon@jatz.aarnet.edu.au ()
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: RE: Sydney/Macquire Uni Link
Date: 21 Jan 1993 06:05:27 GMT
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Reply-To: Stephen Chung <steve@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.130.204.4

Telecom is still trying to fix up problem. Hopefully, the link
can be restored sometimes tomorrow morning.

Stephen Chung
University of Sydney
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: arumble@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Anthony Rumble)
Subject: Re: PC access to AARNet - tracing the user
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:58:57 GMT

hadgraft@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (Roger Hadgraft, Civil staff, ext 4983) writes:

>We have a situation at Monash where access to telnet, ftp, etc is prohibited 
>from our PC Labs because we cannot guarantee that we can trace who the user is 
>(an AARNet requirement apparently). This is a nuisance because it also measn 
>barring access to wais, gopher, www, etc which are emerging technologies, and 
>which could have interesting implications for distance education and 
>resource-based learning.

>Are other universities the same? Is this a reasonable policy in the light of 
>users on other machines (eg. Unix) being able to forge new items etc even when 
>logged in?

If you are using some sort of Firewall system, one possible suggestion
is to setup some port redirectors on the FireWall machine.

These port redirectors will redirect from the Machine, out to the internet
to a pre-designated site. Therefore the users INSIDE the PC net can
access handy services like thoes you mentioned, but don't just have
access to everything. You are basically limiting what they can access.

-- 
Anthony Rumble
aka SmilieZ
"Anything is possible.. If there is enuf money in it"
From: newton@monty.apana.org.au (Mark Newton)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
Organization: APANA South Australia - State mail hub
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 15:13:52 +1030

jonathan@psych.psy.uq.oz.au (Jonathan Dwyer) writes:
> If the discussion of AARNet and its content ever hits shows like
> Hinch, Current Affair or even 7:30 Report, we all know that the
> 'outraged (not to mention recession-squeezed) taxpayer' routine
> will be dragged out, leading to the government imposed 'quick fix'
> to mollify the supposed 'outraged taxpayers'.

The story has already hit the papers, in the form of a ten column-inch
article in The Sunday Mail last year.

There was no furore, no controversy, no followup story.  It was just
a dead issue.

I believe it would be different if fourteen year-olds had access to
AARNet, but in general they don't.

Anyway, all that is beside the point.  Banning something simply
because the media might hear about it is abhorrent to me.

  - mark
    [ who doesn't get any binary groups at all, 'cos they're too
      expensive ]

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From: Arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au (Arthur Marsh)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Distribution: world
Subject: Pt 2/3: INFO: Australian Public Network Access
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:14:02 +1000

On Sun 10 Jan at 21:46 Michael Saleeba wrote:

 MS>     cswamp.apana.org.au organisation:                   
 MS> APANA city, state:                    Adelaide, SA
 MS> main phone number:              (08) 370 2365

That's my voice number. The data number is (08) 370 2133.

 * Origin: Camelot Swamp MJCNA, Hawthorndene, Sth Australia (8:7000/8)
From: rbennet1@neumann.une.edu.au (Robert Bennetts.)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Questions?
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:50:57 GMT


	Hi...
	Can someone tell me what facilities they offer at Grifith University in Brisbane.
	I may be studying there this year, and I am an Internet/Usenet addict, and would not want to loose access to the AARNET.
	Can someone tell me if they have such facilities at Grifith U and if so , who can access it (eg 1st, 2nd year compsci, or if you pay????).
	If there is somewhere els I should be asking this question, please tell me where.
	Thanks for any help


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