HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: The Amiga-1200 is not for me...
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:10:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.163116.6846@sol.cs.wmich.edu> 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black) writes:

(BridgeBoard pros and cons deleted)

>Well I wouldn't say it is real expensive I saw a 386bb for about $550.  Of
>course there is now a need for a new janus software to emulate vga and svga.
>But vga and svga is only a software thing on the a4000.  I would think that
>the emulation should be pretty snappy on the aga chips, and wouldn't mind
>buying a 386bb if I got an a4000 and there was an update of janus.

I'd like to think that it would be snappy, but given that the CGA emulation
is dog-slow, VGA and SVGA will most likely be even slower due to the increased
resolution and number of colors.  As I understand it, the BridgeBoard and the
Amiga share 128k of memory for things like video.  The low-res MCGA 256 color
mode is only 64k and might be feasible, but the 640x480 16 color mode is 150k
and might be much harder.

Now if we only had a Zorro III 486 BridgeBoard with 1M shared memory... :-)

>Martin

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: GOOD Ads
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:50:54 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <1992Nov2.165542.24135@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
>In article <1992Nov2.075722.24363@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>>So what ads do you guys think are effective?  Personally, I kinda look forward
>>to Gateway2000's ads every month.  I especially like their Robin Hood theme
>>ads they've had.
>
>Gateway ads? Ack! These have to be the most excremental nuggets of twaddle
>around, not to mention the fact that the glossy prints take forever to degrade.

Yeah, and don't forget how the sun will reflect off that gloss and
blind people, possibly causing epileptic siezures and/or car accidents!

And I'll bet some of that reflected light bounces back up to the
atmosphere to (for the SECOND time) burn away even MORE ozone!

And... and... just think of what would happen to BIRDS if they
ATE all that glossy advertising!  (Uh... does anyone know?)

>Nothing like carcinogenic dye in your water table.

Uhh.. gee... can't say that I've tried that.  Is it better than
Snapple?

>
>Anyway, while I don't consider myself to be a Mac enthusiast, I've always
>found Apple's ads (both television and print) to be the most effective. 

Then why AREN'T you a Mac enthusiast?  (can't be THAT effective!)

>They
>don't inundate you with techno-speak and manage to be both professional and
>cheeky at the same time. The recent promotion concerning Windows was a major
>coup. 

'zat a spinoff of Major Dad?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ada@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Lurker Seeker)
Subject: Re: Calling all lurkers!
Organization: Advocacy Lurker Outing Society
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:25:03 GMT

In article <56056@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@cs.umass.edu (Larry's Psychiatrist) writes:
>
>Skip Sauls writes:
>>It has come to my attention that there are several persons who are reading
>>this group on a regular basis, but who are not posting.  Several of these
>>folks have sent me email regarding one subject or another, but most have
>>never posted to .advocacy.  Why not?
>
>	Drat!!  You CAUGHT me!!  And here I was, quietly lurking away,
>minding my own business, playing BLAZEMONGER, never getting in trouble...
>and YOU had to give away the secret!

Well, it is a good thing that you admitted that you were a lurker on your
own.  We had planned to put your picture on the cover of the next issue of
"Lurk: The Lurking Advocacy Readers Journal".  A person in your position
will lend a lot of credibility to persons like ourselves and may help others
to deal with the cruel realities of our society.  Thanks to you, all lurkers
may one day be able to post freely and not worry about being flamed.

>	It's OVER now... all those years of happiness <sniff, sob>.  How I
>loved to lurk.  Skip says it's now time to become a contributing member of
>the warm, friendly advocacy community, but I don't think I can handle that.
>So it looks like I'm going to end it all right now.  I'm going to plug my
>tongue into the serial port while my Amiga is powered on.  Goodbye, cruel
>world........

Wait!  Stop!  Don't do it!  Hey, there are lots of other lurkers here who
are looking to you to lead the way...

>
>			<ZZZZzzzzzZZzZzzZZAAPPPPPPPPP!!!!!>
>
>			<time passes...>
>
>	Hey!  I'm still alive!  And I TOASTED my freakin' CIA chips!!
>Oh, that Commodore never does ANYTHING right.  Grumble.

Whew!  Thank goodness that you don't have one of the new models with the
buffered CIA chips!  

<sniff>  Hey, what's that smell?  <sniff> <sniff>...

Uh, don't look now, but your hair didn't fair so well.  If you've got any
money left after replacing those chips, you might want to think about joining
the Hair Club for Men.

>. o
> .
>-=-  Larry Lurker, Class of '04      lurker@cs.umass.edu
>"Sex is a form of death, and vice-versa."  - Spiro Agnew

Lurker Seeker
lurker@live.onka.eps
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Amiga 4000/040 is Coming via UPS!! YEEEHA!!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: A4000/040 and DigiView???!??
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:39:13 GMT
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN


will the 4000/040 work w/ DigiView Gold 4.0??

I really need to know soon....

if not, why?


Jim
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From: glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons why ...
Date: 11 Nov 1992 12:45:32 -0600
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: falcon.natinst.com

In article <8662@orbit.cts.com> chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) writes:

	(MIDI)
>CHEAP add on, we're talking $5-10, maybe $30 for an advanced model, why make
>everyone pay for this when only a small percentage will use it?

>Local Talk is nothing more than a glorified serial port.  A VERY HIGHLY
>specialized serial port that can ONLY be used for networking.
>
>Again, why make people pay for this when so few will use it?

>These will both be included in any 16 bit sound expansion.  8 bit sound is
>fine for the majority of users, so why make them pay for it?  If YOU want 16
>bit sound, YOU pay for it, not me.  Besides, the 56001 in the Falcon is
>cheesy.

>SCSI is easily added, but your right, that's an added cost.  but then the 1200
>is US $200 cheaper than a falcon is rumored to be anyways.

>>	5. Built in power supply. (a brick again?  jeeez!)
>
>There's a reason for this.  when selling units in foreign countries, all
>that's required is packing in a new power supply, not ripping the whole
>computer apart and installing a new one, or producing a version for each
>country.

	This doesn't make a brick better for ME.  (When buying a new computer,
I don't care at all what kind of power they use in other countries)

>>	3. Stereo Microphone port built in
>
>Why?  Again, very few people have a need to digitize.  Why make them pay for
>it?

>>	2. 1.4 Meg Floppy (you might be able to add one to the 1200 but
>>	   AGA specific software will still come on multiple 880K floppies,
>>	   swap-swap-swap.  With AGA graphics, software is gonna get bigger)
>
>880K flopies are included because, from what i've heard, there isn't a
>slimline HD drive (halfspeed) that will fit in the 1200.  Besides, it's a lot
>more expensive.

	Here it is again!  Add, add, add, "The 1200 is more expandible"
(read: featurless).  If the 2 systems are simularly priced, then what are you
paying for on the 1200?  Your main argument is "why make people who aren't
going to use it pay for it?".  Well, if Commodore saved all this money by not
having these features, and it is about the same price as the Falcon, what
do I get for the money that was saved?

P.S.  Only intelligible responses needed, I am still giving the 1200 a chance
      before I buy a Falcon.  (I have almost got enough saved up and have
      definently narrowed it down to either the Falcon030 or the 1200.  I am
      just having trouble getting meaningful info on the 1200).
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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: If A600 ~= C64, Does A1200 ~= C128?
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:56:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ra.1992Nov11.165600.12819
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <10047@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com> peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.190003.5517@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
> >
> >The A600 has been called the next C64 by some parties.  Does this make the
> >A1200 the next C128?  
> > ...
> >And if history repeats itself, there will be an A1200D in the near future.
>
>Hmm, sounds interesting on first sight. BUT: The main reason to make the
>128D back then was to incorporate the floppy drive, I think, and only in
>second line the separated keyboard... And we have already the floppy and
>even a harddisk inside the 1200!

Okay, call it the A1200P then, for "Pizza Box".  :-)

I think its great that you guys have the floppy and harddisk inside the
A1200, now if you'll just put in a battery and color LCD display...  :-)

>Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
>Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate who'd like a portable Amiga
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: skip@cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:01:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Nov9.200117.27089
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <1992Nov9.120235.6244@gw.wmich.edu> x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>In article <1944@vall.dsv.su.se>, matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg) writes:
>> David Stuart Griffiths (griffita@fraser.sfu.ca) wrote:
>> 
>> : I agree, in this SPECIFIC case, the Amiga WOULD be a mistake.
>> 
>> If you're not interested in computers buy a PC. Do I need to explain my
>> point?
>> 
>
>	That's crazy.  I am very interested in computers, I simply need
>my computer to do more than the Amiga cn offer.  And believe it or not,
>a PC can be equipped to do more for me than an Amiga could ever.

Sounds like you are one of those boring people who use computers for such
mundane tasks as word processing, spreadsheets, and that sort of thing.
Try to equip a PC for multimedia and you'll see one area in which the Amiga
is much better suited.  The company I work for is putting together systems
for salesmen to take on the road with them, consisting of the CPU, a genlock,
a laserdisk, audio capability, and software.  The PC systems require an SVGA
board with genlock capability ($500 for a decent one), a SoundBlaster Pro
(which still does measure up to the native Amiga audio), 8M RAM if you are
running Windows, and at least a 386-33 for minimal performance.  By contrast,
an Amiga A1200 will do everything that the Clone will and do it better.

Clones are fine for boring everyday tasks, but they cannot hold a candle to
an Amiga when it comes to cutting edge applications.

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: rcj2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (ray.c.jender)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: MorphPlus Used On Quantum Leap
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:33:45 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <69311@cup.portal.com> pk-asdg@cup.portal.com (Perry S Kivolowitz) writes:
>
>The episode of Quantum Leap, which aired last night (November 10)
>contained morph effects created using ASDG's MorphPlus and transferred
>back to digital video using ASDG's Abekas driver.
>
>I'm sure you all will share in our pride of seeing the Amiga used in
>this high profile way.


	Gee Perry, thanks for telling us about it the day after!
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: SKIP'S POINTS ARE *SILLY*! ;)Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:39:41 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>By the Way, if it only cost $10 or so more to use a ful 68020 WITH MMU...
>why not?  I don't see why you ought to cripple yourself now when in the future
>you might want VM.  But the big question remains....DOES IT COME WITH A HARD
>DRIVE AND MONITOR for <$1000?!

>Also, azre you _sure_ it isn't 14.33 ot 14.31 Mhz that the 68EC020 runs
>at? :-)

even a full 68020 doesn't have a MMU.  It would cost much more than $10
to add a MMU and a real 020 into the A1200.  Remember: every dollar counts.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: COMMODORE NORWAY FOLDS!!!
Date: Sun,  8 Nov 92 10:38:21 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov4.094240.9539@dhhalden.no>

>Just some questions...
>
>Who sets the standards in the computer industry. Commodore???

Actually, its me.  I've been in a rut lately, and I keep mumbling
"Windows Windows Windows".  I didn't think anyone would take
me seriously. Sorry about that everyone.

>As I said FLAMING IS FOR KIDS!

So are Trix, but not silly rabbits.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez)
Subject: Re: Falcon's Super was: FALCON SPEED ......
Organization: UPR-Mayaguez--ASEL Lab
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:35:05 GMT

In article <1955@vall.dsv.su.se>, matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg) writes:
|> Amalaye Oyake (oyakea@warren1a.its.rpi.edu) wrote:
|> 
|> : Audio in and out, midi, lan port, enhanced joystick and input selectors,
|> : dsp port etc. NOW TELL ME WHY WOULD I WANT A 1200 ?
|> 
|> The software. Even though Amiga doesn't have loads of software taking
|> advantage of the hardware to the fullest, the Atari Falcon probably will
|> have less. That's what I think.

   The graphics, better performance in high resolutions, PCMCIA standard
which laptops in the industry are backing, more third party expansion
for the 32-bit cpu slot.

|> =========================================================
|> =  Regards  =  email:              =  1280x512x256000+  = 
|> =  Mattias  =  matt-dah@dsv.su.se  =  I love it.        =
|> =========================================================

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        \X/  Avid user of AmigaVision, sending mail from Mayaguez, Puerto Rico 
---------
           "If the PC or Mac continues to be the standard,
            the SkyNet will never be built." - OUCH! were not my words!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: wlrobert@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (william lester roberts)
Subject: Re: Calling all lurkers!
Summary: Why I haven't posted before
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:09:47 GMT

I haven't posted before before because I have not been able to figgure
out how to do it through trn on these VAX systems while calling from
home.  This is a first attempt.  Last time, the answer ended up as a mail
message to the sender, which was ok as far as the two of us exchanging
ideas.  But it did not allow others to see our words of wit, and to get 
additional feedback.  I hope that this posts correctly.



Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK))
Subject: Re: A4000 case design (was Re: Top 10 reasons why ...)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:00:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.064214.5544@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:

[about C= saying they will rip your thumbnails out if you put a card in]

>	This bothers me too.  I was a sort of a technician ( replacing circuit
>	boards, trouble shooting etc. ) before I got an EE degree.  Why should
>	I feel that the techs at a Commodore dealer have some special knowlege
>	that I don't.  At least I haven't found one who does yet.

Well, the dealers can't afford to make too much profit on Amiga computers
since if they raised the price they wouldn't sell any.  The only way for them
to get some money is to charge a bundle to put in cards and stuff, it's
probably a deal between C= and the dealers.

Retail is hell.

>Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization.  My opinons only **
>*** Still no Sig :-( **

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
From: al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:56:22 GMT

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>>In the meantime, they've acquired FoxBase and are slated to release a sound
>>card. Can you say ubiquitous? :). 

   That's what's wrong with microsoft. Since they're so huge,
they can buy out anybody, except IBM :) So, they make themselfs
the biggest monopoly in the PC industry, actually choking it
into a single philosophy (MS-philosophy: Use our products,
or don't use any!!) :)

>Yeah, but the sound card isn't SB-compatible!!! Wheeee!

   Hmmm... there's another thing. I'm almost 100% sure that 
said card will become a standard in very little time. Why?
Because it's better than SB/SBPro? No, because it's from 
microsoft.

-Gus
--
Gustavo Cordova Avila		| Majoring in Computer Engineering
al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx	| "...I came from the Desert!!" (Sonora)
al158305@[131.178.4.10]		| RangerElf @ IRC (usually in #amiga)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: marc barrett is in hell   -- NOT!!
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: comp
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 05:22:32 GMT

In article <CSHORT.92Nov6170622@ogygia.nmsu.edu> cshort@nmsu.edu (MetaPope, Internet in a Day Tour.) writes:
>
>with commodore once again churning out competetive machines and
>actually advertising...
>
>and...
>
>president clinton with a mostly democratic congress...
>
>marc barrett must be in his own personal hell..

   Not really.  It will be a lot of fun seeing if the Demosocialists can run
the country better than conservatives.  These people have been wanting to get 
their hands back on the controls of the national economy for a long time, and
now they have their chance.  And, since the Demosocialists control all of 
congress and the White House, they will have to take full responsibility for
all that happens.  The next four years will be ***FUN***!!!!

---
| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: micro@imada.ou.dk (Klaus Pedersen)
Subject: Re: **** A1200 Info **** (200+ lines)
Organization: Dept. of Math. & Computer Science, Odense University, Denmark
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:30:13 GMT

bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:
>You could also use BOBs.  You'd have to use the base 64-color
>registers for the background and make your BOB's in ham surrounded by
>one of the base 64 colors on one side.  But careful planning of your
>graphics could make that indistinguishable. 

OK, "the background can have 64 colours, right!"
- That is not very nice do you think so?
  Even an A500 can do that.

"But the BOBS can have real HAM inside! Wow!" 
- Why not use 64 colours for the background and the 192 for the BOBS?


On the Falcon030 you can have 65536 colour background and 65536 colour 'BOBS'.
(even though it probaly is faster to plot them with the CPU).
(65536 colours is a differend colour to every pixel in a 256x256 pixel sprite!)

I think that the cookie-cut-sprites in Falcon030-true-colour mode is much 
faster than HAM8 AGA cookie-cut-BOBS.

The Falcon030 uses 1 wordaccess for each 2 truecolour pixels (written w.
movem.l).

The AGA BOBS uses 4 wordaccesses per 16 bits of the BOBS. 
This is (4*8/16 = 2 wordaccesses/pixel), 4 times slower than the Falcon030.


Which one will have the fastest graphics, -and- the most colours?

-Klaus
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Calling all lurkers!
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:55:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.210031.9311@mdd.comm.mot.com> redman@mdd.comm.mot.com (Brian Redman) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.015637.7309@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>It has come to my attention that there are several persons who are reading
>>this group on a regular basis, but who are not posting.  Several of these
>>folks have sent me email regarding one subject or another, but most have
>>never posted to .advocacy.  Why not?
>>
>>Skip Sauls
>>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
>>
>>
>OK, you asked, and I WAS one of those people, so I'll answer:
>quite simply, the first time that message came up asking me if
>I wanted to risk making a fool of myself to most of the civilized
>world, at tremendous expense to all, I got spooked and changed
>my mind. (ya, ya, I can hear the sniggering from here) Now that

Hell, the first time I posted I did so because I wanted to see what
contact with the civilized world was like.  :-)

>I've had to swallow this tripe for a couple of years, I've come
>to two conclusions: 1. This is not the civilized world, and   
>		    2. Nothing I could possibly dream up to say
>		    could make me look more foolish than 75% of
>		    posts that appear here. 

Oh come now, that's not the proper attitude!

>Frankly, I don't know how some of you find the time to work/study
>or whatever and still post the volume of stuff that you do. I can
>go away for 24 hours and have to delete 8 or 10 Dan Stephenson
>posts, (come to think of it, where's Jerry Shekhel these days? No,
>wait...I didn't mean it.. I DON'T WANT to KNOW!!) The point is that
>most of us with real-life time constraints can barely get through
>reading this one news group without finding time to post as well.

I have found that cutting the amount of sleep each night to 3-4 hours
leaves me enough time to post, teach, study, and work.  Also, if you
have trouble with the volume of posts, simply unsubscribe to everything
but c.s.a.advocacy.  :-)  Another factor is the speed at which your
screen is updated versus the speed at which you can read.  I can't stand
to read news from my roommates terminal at 2400 baud, but it is no
problem from my A3000 using Ethernet.

>In fact, having written this, I'm sorry I didn't just e-mail to you!

Don't worry, you'll have to post alot more than one article before folks
start recognizing you.  However, if you'd like, we can start a whole
series of followups that will guaranteed that your name will appear 
several times...  :-)

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA