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> 
> I have read a little about Glenwood Springs, which is 10-15 miles west of Vail
> on I-70. 
>

Don't they have maps in Kansas?  Glenwood is about 1.5 to 2hrs driving 
from Vail, in good weather and no construction hold-ups (Glenwood Canyon
has been a construction zone for 15 years).

John

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: A waterskiing question
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 18:37:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.162415.25795@edsr.eds.com>
hkelly@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg) writes:

>>>AUGH!  one of those evil(tm) waterskiiers!!  what ARE we gonna do?

>Easy!  Wait till the lakes freeze over.  Voila!  Instant snow skier!

Ah?  Snow is water, so we are always water skiing 8^).

How are they evil? 8^)

Several years ago, Hal Murray, Barclay Kamb, and I skied into the Ostranader
Ski Hut in Yosemite.  I asked Howard Weamer (the ranger) to borrow a length
of rope (Ah, that's a good length).  Tying to the back of Hal (are you
reading this Hal?) we had Hal look like he was striding over the frozen lake.
I striped down to running shorts and using ski pole so that it looked like
a tow (single ski), for a simulation of summer time skiing on the lake
with Barclay shooting the picture.  Made for an amusing Xmas card.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: klaus@provo.ced.utah.edu (Klaus Biggers)
Subject: Re: Ah hem....: How do I wax my skis?
Organization: Center for Engineering Design
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 23:00:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.204452.28751@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.171433.23833@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:

>>Oh come on Klaus! You have to encourage them!
>>Vail has fine slopes (and flats).  Those back Bowls (note the B)
>>are fine locations to ski, and the front sides: marvels

>>Ski Vail.

>What ever happened to 'Ski Utah'? :)


Search backwards for the words "Utah Myths" in the subject line.
Is this in the FAQ yet?

-klaus                                              klaus@ced.utah.edu

		Everytime I hear the term twisted pair...
		I think of this couple I used to know.
From: galenr@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Galen Raben)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:33:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Discount lift tickets in Colorado
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

In rec.skiing, thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>I have heard that it is possible to buy discount lift tickets at gas
>stations and grocery stores in Colorado.  I am planning a ski trip to
>Vail or Steamboat this winter, and would like to look in to possibly
>buying discount lift tickets from the above sources.

Vail, Steamboat... Discounts??????!!!  Can't imagine why :-)  :-)  :-)

Gold C coupon books (available locally at Safeway stores) had discounts
for both of these areas last season...

You could also purchase discount lift-tickets for many of the Summit county
resorts directly at Safeway, King Soupers, and Albertson stores.  The local
Vickers and Conoco gas stations will often have lift tickets as well...

Dunno about this season yet (however all the above are usually good bets...).

Think Snow!
- Galen -
From: bryan@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bryan Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: HO Magnum
Date: 28 Jul 92 07:20:38 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

Anybody waterskiied on the HO Magnum? It's billed as a ski for those of us
over 200 lbs and expertise level beginner slalom through beginner/intermediate
slalom course. I am considering buying one as it is a whole lot easier to
get up on than my current ski and the bindings are secure and comfy, (the 85's).

I did demo one early this year, but it was kind of hard to tell anything. I
was just coming back to waterskiing after a 7 to 8 year absence. It seemed very
stable. The only thing is I seemed to get a lot of spray off the front of the
ski into my face if the ski was pointed at the boat, i.e., if I was just 
kind of loafing along. The guy who sells them said I was probably skiing it
too slow.

I'll probably demo it again before I buy, but if anyone has any comments
or suggestions about anything in this post, I'd love to hear them.

Bryan Olson
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: apfel@lascar.puc.cl (Just Apfel... a BIG boy.)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Chile Skiing Info
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:07:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.164601.545@vicorp.com> jmethot@vicorp.com writes:
>I will be traveling in Chile from 15-25 August and I intend to do several
>days of skiing.  I am interested in opinions of people who have skied in
>Chile, particularly within 2-3 hour driving distance of Santiago.  I
>have reservations at some place called Colorado (I think - someone else
>made 'em) and I wonder how far that is from the two largest places (whose
>names I can't remember).
>
>I am an expert skier and would appreciate tips on where to find the most
>challenging terrain, possibly heli-skiing or cat-skiing, etc.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>John Methot

I'm chilean and i'm in Chile. I went skiing yesterday to
"Colorado-Farellones" Ski Center. The day was great and the snow was
great too.
There are 4 ski centers near Santiago (less than 2 hours driving):
Colorado-Farellones, La Parva, Valle Nevado and Lagunillas. This last
one it's for begginers skiers. I don't know La Parva neither Valle
Nevado.
Colorado-Farellones it's big and it has many "ski fields". Last winter,
it had 3 National Ski Teams from Europe practicing skiing for a month,
they said it is a *real good* place to practice skiing and they will
return here this year again.
Valle Nevado says it will be the bigest ski center at the South
Emisphere before 1995. It has heli-skiing and "parapente".

These 3 ski centers are 1 hour from Santiago, and they are 20 minutes
away from each other.
There is another ski center: Portillo, 2-3 hours away from Santiago.

A northamerican friend told me that she dislikes these ski centers
because they don't have any tree. I think the trees can't let you ski
where you would like. Anyway, if you like trees, there are some ski
centers to the south, Antillanca it's the best. It has *so many* trees,
it isn't big and it's near a Termal-Water center. It's a delicious
pleasure after skiing to swim in a pool at 40C, or swim between the
boiling water and the *cold* water from the river while it is snowing.
Punta Arenas is another ski center at the extreme south. You can ski
looking to the sea between the trees.
Antillanca is 1000 Km to the south from Santiago, and Punta Arenas is
2500 Km to the south from Santiago.

If you need more information, just ask me!!!  :-)

Andres Fernandez-Leon  <apfel@lascar.puc.cl>
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: The FAQ lives!
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:58:35 GMT
Organization: What, me? Organized?


            The rec.skiing Frequently Asked Questions List
                              -or-
   Everything you always wanted to know about skiing and were *just* about
   to ask by posting.

   The rec.skiing FAQ is a work in progress and is maintained by glen
   baker (glenb@sr.hp.com) Additions and corrections to the FAQ are 
   welcome. If you have an addition or correction to make please take the
   time to write it out in the format of the FAQ so that I don't have
   to try to figure out how to say what you're trying to say!


Index:

          (0) Warnings, disclaimers, etc.
          (1) Equipment (skis, boots, bindings, tuning, etc)
          (2) Clothing
          (3) Technique
          (4) Transportation (cars, chains, leather, whips...)
          (5) Lodging & other apres-ski
 ----->   (6) Misc



 ---------------------------- Section 6: Misc ---------------------------

 6.1) "What will the conditions be like at <favorite area> in <favorite
       month>?"

     TCWBWIHTBATPT, or The Conditions Will Be Whatever They Happens To Be At 
     That Particular Time. People who claim to be able to predict conditions
     for longer than 10 minutes in advance are probably lying to you. Don't
     buy any real-estate from them.

 6.2) "What's the phone number for <insert favorite area>?"

     Mike Rizzi maintains a list of ski-related phone numbers. This list is
     periodically posted to rec.skiing.

 6.3) "What's the best place to ski?"

     This one is easy. Squaw Valley. Or was it Jackson Hole? Could be Taos.
     Wait...it's Alta. No, I mean Whistler. Tuckerman's Ravine! Naw, it's
     Crystal Mountain. Unless of course you include the East Coast then I'm
     *sure* it's Lake Placid. Or Killington. Definitely somewhere in Vermont.
     Or make that Montana. No, I meant to say Sun Valley. Did I say Sun Valley?
     I meant Snowbird. Which isn't in Colorado. Oh yeah, colorado! Ajax fer
     sure!. Unless you'd rather ski Highlands.  Well I guess there's only one
     thing for sure: it's NOT Heavenly! :-)

 6.4) "What's the best place to eat?"

     Hey no way man, you want me to divulge my favorite restaurtants? 
     Fast service, good food, and turn them into crowded places?  No 
     broadcast man, only one-on-one email......  Pierce Street Annex was 
     great until the word got out!

                                 - Famous rec.skiing net.person who
                                   shall remain nameless...
                                   ...but his initials are Eugene Miya.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: WHAT'S NEW FOR 92/93 at Colorado Ski Areas
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:56:59 GMT

>WINTER PARK  -  A new double chair to open up 200 acres of the 
>   Parsenn Bowl off the top of Mary Jane.

Well thats too bad, this was an excellent backcountry telemark bowl.
I feel like the animals that get pushed out of newly developed
urban areas.  I have to keep going further & further from home.

--Chris
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: The FAQ lives!
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:57:20 GMT
Organization: What, me? Organized?


            The rec.skiing Frequently Asked Questions List
                              -or-
   Everything you always wanted to know about skiing and were *just* about
   to ask by posting.

   The rec.skiing FAQ is a work in progress and is maintained by glen
   baker (glenb@sr.hp.com) Additions and corrections to the FAQ are 
   welcome. If you have an addition or correction to make please take the
   time to write it out in the format of the FAQ so that I don't have
   to try to figure out how to say what you're trying to say!


Index:

          (0) Warnings, disclaimers, etc.
          (1) Equipment (skis, boots, bindings, tuning, etc)
 ----->   (2) Clothing
          (3) Technique
          (4) Transportation (cars, chains, leather, whips...)
          (5) Lodging & other apres-ski
          (6) Misc


 ------------------------- Section 2: Clothing  -------------------------


 2.1) "My friend says he skis in blue jeans. Do I really need to spend
      a bunch of money on expensive ski clothing?"

     Yes and no. First of all, jeans are probably the absolute worst
     thing you can wear in the mountains unless you're absolutely positive
     that it's going to be sunny and warm all day. Cotton holds moisture
     and becomes a terrible insulator when it gets wet. 

     Expensive clothes, however, are *not* necessary. If you're on a 
     budget then a pair of wool pants, a good warm hat (wool or 
     polypropolene), a good pair of gloves or mittens, and a warm jacket
     will work just fine. 

     Cardinal rule: if you get cold you'll get miserable.

     If you're going to really get into the sport and intend to go rain
     or shine then here's a list of stuff that will help lighten your
     checkbook:

       - Silk or polypro ski socks. Wool tends to itch and is often too
         bulky for a good fit in todays boots.

       - Silk or polypro thermal underwear. Wicks moisture away from the
         body and is easy to clean when it gets smelly.

       - Stretch pants or a lined shell. Stretch pants are usually warm
         but may not be all that waterproof. Shells are usually more 
         versatile but many people don't think they look as cool.

       - Various layers for the torso which may include polypropolene 
         pull-overs, wool sweaters, and the like. 

       - A light gore-tex or similar jacket. Heavy lined parkas are warm
         for those storm days but you can get the same warmth and far more
         versatility by layering underneath a shell.


 2.2) "What's the story on this Gore-Tex stuff?"

     Steve LaSala has written an excellent article on Gore-Tex. It's far
     too long to include here in the FAQ and deserves its to be posted
     and perused all by its lonesome. In brief, Gore-Tex is not totally
     waterproof...a wetsuit is much better. However Gore-Tex is a lot
     more comfortable on the hill.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: jsalmi@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (John Salmi)
Subject: Re: Will net.traffic increase with winter coming?
Organization: US West Information Technologies
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:58:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.143152.41757@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>So, does the net.activity pick up on this group when winter approaches?
>
>

no.   it will drop off to a mere trickle of nothingness.

*snork*

-- 
John Salmi		<jsalmi@uswest.com>		(303) 595-2863

"I've got a news flash for you, joy-boy...  Party Time's Over!!"
From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 15:58:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Discount lift tickets in Colorado
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> I am planning a ski trip to
> Vail or Steamboat this winter, and would like to look in to possibly
> buying discount lift tickets from the above sources.

As far as I know Vail and Steamboat are about the only places that don't
offer discount tickets. You can usually buy discount tickets for
any of the "ski the summit" resorts or for Winter Park at Safeways.

bruno.
From: hkelly@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: A waterskiing question
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:24:15 GMT
Organization: EDS Research


>>AUGH!  one of those evil(tm) waterskiiers!!  what ARE we gonna do?

Easy!  Wait till the lakes freeze over.  Voila!  Instant snow skier!

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
From: seb1@leia.dr.att.com (sharon badian)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: I'M BACK AND I'M SMILING
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:21:41 GMT
Reply-To: seb1@druhi.att.com
Organization: Bell Labs, Denver, CO.

In article <1992Jul22.193932.29494@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
|> 
|> Well I gotta go now but I think I have gotten my point across. I was skiing 
|> while you were mowing your lawns! Cya

Oh, be as snide as you like, but folks in Colorado were skiing too. They showed
a bunch (like hundreds) of skiers at the snow fields above Breckenridge on
July 4th. Seems it's kind of a tradition to ski them that weekend. I was
8 months pregnant at the time, so I decided to skip it. :-)

And I'm sure folks skiing the glaciers throughout the Northern Hemisphere
can match you turn for turn. But they had to avoid crevasses and you had
to avoid cows. :-)
-- 
Sharon Badian
AT&T Bell Labs - Denver
seb1@druhi.att.com
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:56:14 GMT
Subject: The FAQ lives!
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

 Eugene writes:

 > We're all waiting on Baker's FAQ

 Awright awright already! As much as I enjoy the thought of Eugene staring
 impatiently at his terminal and putting off climbing while he waits for
 the FAQ I suppose I'll end the suspense and post the current version of
 the dang thing!

 Here's what's new since the first time I posted it.

   - I've split the thing up into several files in order to keep each
     individual posting down to a somewhat readable length.

   - OK, not much else is new (I did incorporate some suggestions that
     I got last time, but probably not all of them yet).

 If you don't like the way something is worded, or you flat out disagree
 with something, or you have stuff to add (note that there are *lots* of
 holes yet) then please take the time to write something out that I
 can cut and paste into the appropriate place.


 ..glen
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: The FAQ lives!
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:57:59 GMT
Organization: What, me? Organized?


            The rec.skiing Frequently Asked Questions List
                              -or-
   Everything you always wanted to know about skiing and were *just* about
   to ask by posting.

   The rec.skiing FAQ is a work in progress and is maintained by glen
   baker (glenb@sr.hp.com) Additions and corrections to the FAQ are 
   welcome. If you have an addition or correction to make please take the
   time to write it out in the format of the FAQ so that I don't have
   to try to figure out how to say what you're trying to say!


Index:

          (0) Warnings, disclaimers, etc.
          (1) Equipment (skis, boots, bindings, tuning, etc)
          (2) Clothing
          (3) Technique
 ----->   (4) Transportation (cars, chains, leather, whips...)
          (5) Lodging & other apres-ski
          (6) Misc

 ----------------------- Section 4: Transportation ----------------------

 4.1) "What's the best ski-mobile ever made?"

     The Pisten Bully. However very few of them are street legal.

 4.2) "I have a 4WD but I don't know which wheels to chain up"

     RTFM. Most manuals will tell you which tires to chain up. There is
     no single correct answer to this question as 4WD systems vary. If you
     don't have a manual then call the manufacturer and ask them.

 4.3) "Should I buy chains or cables?"

     Depends. Chains are probably more effective than cables but the limited
     clearance between the tires and the wheel wells on some cars make chains
     a non-option. In either case you should be careful that the traction
     device is *tight* on the tire and do NOT exceed the manufacturer's
     recommended top speed (unless you really like thrashing your wheel 
     wells to death).

     Note: one person reports a problem with Security Chain Co. cable chains
     equipped with a quick release. Apparently there is a strut member on
     Honda Accords and some other Japanese cars that catches on the quick
     release and causes the cable to come off. Apparently their "Whitestar"
     model does not have this problem.

     Whether you buy chains or cables you should practice installing them
     at home where it's warm and dry. The middle of the night in the 
     middle of a snow-storm is NOT the time to start reading the instructions!

     Note: the plastic traction devices are pretty much useless. Don't
           waste your time or money.
From: mueller@pi.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: To Snowboard Near Charlotte
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:17:51 GMT
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science

In article <1992Jul24.173502.24793@news.vanderbilt.edu>, SCHROEDE@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu writes:
> In <28394@goofy.Apple.COM> blukie@msgate.corp.apple.com writes:
> 
> > I'll be relocating to Charlotte and I'm wondering about winter sports in the
> > south.   Where is the closest place for skiing and board'n???  
> 
> beech mtn or gatlinburg i'd say
> 
> doug

Don't do it! Even though Snowshoe, WVa, migth be 8 hours away,
you will enjoy yourself. Lines are shorter, snow is better and
the weather usually colder.

NC sucks! Ice, lots of rain and crowds. I did it once (Beech) and
had the worst day of skiing in my life the first night and the
second worst the second night. Why? Get this:

It was raining when we arrived in Boone. But we gave it a shot and
drove up to Beech only to find out that it was raining there also!
Since I had skipped a season of skiing it didn't matter much to me
and I spent a few hours in the rain until it simply got too cold
with all the soken cloth and it started pouring.

Over the next day all the same old picture but they had forcasted
temperatures around 30F for the night. So we went up again. It wasn't
raining, no, a few snow flakes actually came down -- until they
started blasting their man-made snow from all directions. It so happened
that the wind was coming uphills and rather strong so that the
snow machines were blowing this watery stuff on our overalls where
it would instantly freeze. We went back after a couple of runs because
it simply hurt too much and we couldn't see where we were going.
We asked for a refund and an explanation. We only get the latter, if
you would call it one, when they argued that they had to make snow
whenever possible. Otherwise they might have to close down mid season
and people would stop coming ever if they were able to reopen later on.

IMHO they should not make snow on *all* slopes while they are operating
but rather overnight, suspend night skiing, reduce the amount of water
pumps that are active and lower the ticket prices. And they should give
you a trial run or refunds under conditions caused by the lift company.

(I finally found a part of the "upper" slopes with snow and without
snow-making but without light. And I still had to get on the main
slope in the lower part.)

Well, go for it and find out yourself. After one more try in Snowshoe
(which was quite nice although the more chanllenging lift on the other
side was not open) I have been skiing out West ever since. It's worth
the two days drive.

Frank
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: pams@triton.unm.edu (Roost)
Subject: Re: How do I wax my skis?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 16:20:47 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Jul28.202725.41961@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>
>Christ, is this rec.skiing.nazis or what?
>
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        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  I think that the people of this group would tend to be much kinder to you
if you removed this from you sig!   No flames intended here BUT...  your
questions do not tend to reflect the knowledge of an _avid_ SkiBum.  Be
a little bit humble and I would bet that courtesy and helpful answers will
come your way.  Just a suggestion....

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