HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen)
Subject: Re: Another Introduction
Organization: Murdoch University
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:58:14 GMT

jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce) writes:
>I remember when TVs became available
>for purchase. My mother bought one in 1952. It had a 26" or 27' screen and
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^

Wow!  I didn't know they built such monsters, and expandable too.  I'd heard
that everything was bigger in Texas, but I never _really_ believed it  :-)

Splash!

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From: krisj@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Kristina Johansson)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: vikings, chris colom & other stuff
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:23:22 GMT
Organization: AOTC - CSSC

Raven has been listening from her perch on the bar chair to the discussion
about Christopher Columbus and the Vikings. "Hmmmm,  don't know much about
Chris Columbus except that he intercepted Central America on his journey to
Asia. If i remember my history classes right it seems alot of explorers
expected to find the NorthWest passage just around the corner from
whatever their starting point was in North America, well at least Canada, and
so a lot wanting trade and glory with China were let down.  
As for the Vikings, well, about a thousand years after they first
attempted to live  in Vinland, they were finally able to have some folk
live there which let me be born and grow up in the beautiful city that i
did."

And with that Raven goes back to listening to the conversations, not sure
if she was babbling or not.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: Jack.Smoke@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jack Smoke)
Subject: Re: Words
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:50:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.005750.11863@data-io.com> li@Data-IO.COM (Liralen Li) writes:
>In article <Bw0ztq.GKD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:
>>re: differently abled vs. handicapped
>>personally, i don't care what word is used...the words aren't as
>>important as the way we treat people..."
>>
>>kitten hops down off her soapboxes...grinning.
>
>[Liralen responds, most deleted in intrest of brevity.]
>
>"Someone that uses Oriental for Asian, Negro for African, or Indian for
>Native American creates, for me, an image of someone that is ignorant of
>the basis of the language that they use.  I don't usually take offense at
>it, but for someone who is a writer I usually point out that there are
>completely different *connotative* clouds about the different words.  Take
>Oriental vrs Asian.  Oriental usually connotes the 'mysterious Orient'
>where there are shy, veiled women, the exotic, the unknown and inscrutible
>males.  It is a romantic and a very inaccurate image of an Asian
>American.  Asian is fairly straightforward, usually connoting simply
>someone of Asian heritage.  Perhaps, as StM said, the meanings will change
>again... but I'm writing for an audience that lives Now and Here and I'll
>take the meanings that are more agreed upon.  If I *want* to create the
>Oriental image, I'll know what I'm invoking when I use it."
>

	Smoke frowns and responds.  "I am a Cherokee.  For those who
an not familier, Cherokee (Tsa'La'Gee in our own language (CWY)) are
an American Indian nation split in two - the Eastern Cherokee in 
North Carolina, and the Western Cherokee in Oklahoma.  This split is 
the result of the US goventment's Indian removal policy of the 1830's.
I won't go into the details - if you're interested, read Mr. John Ehle's
book, "Trail of Tears," published by Anchor books.
	"My point is this: A couple of Days ago, I lectured on 
Colombus.  Don Colombus wanted spain to believe he had reached the
Indies, when in fact, he had not, so he named the locals "Indians"
Regardless of wether or no I like Don Colombus, the name has stuck.
I am a Native American.  BUT, so is every one in this room who was born in
America.  I am an American Indian.  Please note that Mr. Russell 
Means is not president of the "Native American Movement,"
but the "American Indian Movement."
	"My point?  Do not be one to sling Political COrrectness if 
you are not part of the group in question.  Are there any members of the
groups Liralen mentioned above who object to the Politicly Incorect
words she mentioned?"
	Smoke frowns at the pile of soap boxes under his feet and hops
down.  


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From: rmarsh@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: More for Liralen...
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:22:23 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Oct6.194700.2986@data-io.com>, li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus) writes:
> She fingers the soft luxury of the Australian wool, wondering a little if
> the New Zealanders will have a good rebuttal, and sits back to enjoy more
> of the party.  Even as she sits back, though, a circular knitting needle
> comes out of a bag, and the yarn starts to slowly move...

  "That's my cue! It really depends on what grade of wool you want. I've
heard recently that New Zealand fine and super-fine grade wools are
supposed to be better than the Australian varieties. On the other hand the
Aussies produce better wool in other grades. I really don't know a lot
about wool, despite being surrounded by sheep."
  Stumpy grins. "One of my favourite comments about New Zealand: There are
63,500,000 sheep in New Zealand. 3,500,000 of them think they're people."
  He sips his drink. "Of course there are a few *real* people here too." :)

-- 
Robert 'Stumpy' Marsh | 95 Fairfield Rd | I can't reply to E-Mail, but 
rmarsh@waikato.ac.nz  | Hamilton        | don't let that stop you sending.
+64 7 855 4406        | New Zealand     |
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Oriental or Asian... (was Re: Words)
From: Mark Beirne Lively <ml5a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:07:52 -0400 
 <1992Oct13.150540.8690@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> <1992Oct13.185639.1713@data-io.com><1992Oct13.211912.5635@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>Here in America (and maybe elsewhere, I dunno), there's been enough
>division because of our diversity.  Let's use it as a unifying force
>again... if not as part of a national government and policy, then
>maybe as a way to enjoy communicating with the friends we've never
>met.
	Excellent point as Abraham Lincoln Said,"A house divided agaisnt itself
cannot stand."  And its true.  See people have a strong us vs them
attitude.  adn as long as people are separated into groups(countries,
races, languages)  there will be this division.  And with the division
come the possibility and probability of hate.  Once the hate starts its
difficult to stop.  There was one Star trek episode where you have 2
different people from the same planet with coloring differences who were
out hunting each other down.  When they got to their planet everyone was
dead.  While this is not a really valid source there is strong
historical evidence that such fights go on until one or both groups is
wiped out.  One way or another humanity is going to become homogenous. 
Call me a coward but I don't want to take my chances.  A hug anyone for
unity?

ML5A@ANDREW.CMU.EDU
"I haven't failed I have discovered 10,000 ways not to make a lightbulb"
                                        -T Edison.
From: keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen)
Subject: Re: Grrr...
Organization: Murdoch University
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:27:10 GMT

lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals) writes:

>StM points out, "Er, DM?  That's a *FEATURE*.  Really.  It's deeply imbedded in
>the specification of every single one of the unix filesystems.  When unix
>(including SunOS) tries to create a file, and there's already one of the same
>name there, the first step is to delete the old one.  The second step is to try
>to create the new one.  Now, if the disk is full when it gets to step two,
>you're completely out of luck.  Sorry, but that's the way it works, and that's
>the way it's SUPPOSED to work.  Just one of the many reasons I prefer VMS."

Well then, isn't there some way to undelete files (like with, say Norton's
Utilities, in DOS-land)?  The amount of data I have saved from my silly
gyrations on the keyboard/hard-disk ...

Splash!


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From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Looks like I'm buying a round for the house again
Date: 10 Oct 1992 04:07:09 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

Newsgroups: news.lists
From: newsstats@uunet.UU.NET
Subject: Top 25 News Submitters by User by number of articles for the last 2 weeks

         No. of       % of
Rank Articles KBytes Total   User
   9   158     271.6  0.1%   carl@sol1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU  (Carl J Lydick)
			      36% sci.skeptic
			      16% sci.energy
			      8% sci.environment
			      6% comp.os.vms
			      5% alt.alien.visitors
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: all about callahans
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:15:09 GMT



>>dirbze replays the 'At the Cinema' Iraqi-terrorist movie-musical review:
>>
>>>well... there you have it.  a blast from the past.... and I really do wish I
>>>remembered who was responsible for this... 

>>John grins.  "That was mine.  My MUD persona makes an appearance partway
>>through-- I've been on a few different MUDs as 'Yossarian' over the
>> years.  It seemed to fit, since 'Dirque' and 'Hurin' are both MUD names too."

>There ya go. Mentioning my name. Tsk. tsk. tsk. Well, here I am.


[   ] scenario deleted

>As little as I respect this place and my own standards regarding 
>writing for this newsgroup it was not good enough. So we waited
>for something decent, and we waited and we waited...

>I had to read through pages and pages of callahans posts.  Typical stories
>that go something like this:

>Both my parents are dead and I am an orphan living in a house where my 

[    ]  deleted in lieu of hysterical giggles

>have impaled myself instead on a sharpened picture of  Bush signifying
>my support of the Ross perot campaign.

>Nothing was worth this kind of hell. Nothing at all.


>Dirque Leyr


kitten, ever the optimist...(even at the end of a long day) flings
herself, ellipses and all, at dirque....

(squeal)  "dirque, you old scoundrel you....it is so lovely to see you
back... "  she hugs dirque unmercifully, knowing it will drive him crazy.
--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: great  land
Date: 17 Oct 1992 01:33:05 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <YHO.92Oct16152919@netcom.Netcom.COM>, yho@netcom.Netcom.COM (Yue-shun E. Ho) writes:
>Seriously, the US President (and the Canadian Prime Minister, for that
>  matter) could engage themselves in live teevee debates with their Senates
>  on a regular basis, just like what the British Prime Minister is doing
>  in London.  I think that would be fun, especially if H. Ross Perot
>  (probably the best entertainer on teevee) gets elected.

While possible, it's rather unlikely.  While the President has been known to
ADDRESS the Congress, I can't think of any time when he's come close to
debating them since, who was it, Andrew Johnson?  About the only time the
President is likely to find himself in public discourse with the entire Senate
is during an impeachment trial.
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: Grrr...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:12:41 GMT



>>yue-shun is talking to DM and StM about computer stuff when suddenly
>>he is totally bowled over and hugge almost to unconsciousness...."hello....
>>i am so glad to see you here again! it's been too long...."
>>
>>kitten is giggling, sqealing and hugging yue-shun...one of her oldest
>>friends here in the Place...
>>

>yue-shun, slowly recovering from unconsciousness, opens his eyes and found
>  himself being squealed and hugged by his dear friend from the library.

>"Oh hi, kitten the conanian, have you been catching mice lately?" he asks.

>And before he hears her reply, he is thrown into the hot tub -- kitten's
>  favourite playground -- by her tremendously strong paws.  Looks like 
>  they are having great fun.


kitten drops her black and gold gown and bounces into the hot
tub...splashing at yue-shun...."i don't chase mice..."  she
giggles..."i don't want mouse breath....i have been chasing
busses....builds better muscles...."

--
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conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"perhaps _any_ universe becomes real in proportion 
to the number of people who believe in it and spend time there." s. robinson
From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Another Introduction
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:05:45 GMT
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi

In article <1992Oct13.140241.24794@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> rich@theophilus.msfc.nasa.gov writes:
>Yeah, I guess that's why they call them "Warrant Officers"--
>I did, however, work for an excellent one (once).  The rest were
>just a bit over their heads--as human beings even.

    "I got along fine with the ones i didn't work for... It was the one
  I had to talk to on a daily basis that i was convenced was around the bend..."

>The latest scary thought is that #1 son is now a squad leader in ROTC--
                                  ^^^^^-------------------------------------!!!

>should be fun watching this reality check experience--he is now responsible
>for the well-being of others, rather than just himself--
>
>AKA Boss Troll  <---- Thats odd, I didn't know your name was Charlie Chan...

  "Yup. A few people in boot camp discovered that those boot camp chevrons
can get you in trouble when someone you are responsible for breaks the
rules..." DJ.

-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science
 jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
  "Is it the weekend yet ?" me :-)
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: this is all so subjective
Date: 11 Oct 1992 20:17:57 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Oct11.043758.5772@netcom.com>, aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine) writes:
>Well, I like the one that says, "Vegetarians eat vegetables.  I'm a
>humanitarian."  My ProblemOlderWoman likes to say that she's a
>kittitarian  (no offense to Conan, of course).

StM adds, "When I'm confronted by a prosyletizing vegetarian, I simply remind
him or her, `You are what you eat.'"
From: carrot@bear.stonemarche.org (Little red-headed girl)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re:  Cultural Exchange (was Re: Schooling)
Distribution: world
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:44:09 EDT

In article <keulen.717912275@possum> keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen) writes:
>li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus) writes:
>
>
>>"O.K." Liralen says in responce to Splash!'s question.  "'Sophmore: (Gk
>>sophos - wise + moros - foolish): a student in his second year at college
>>or secondary school.' I always liked that definition, someone that's wise
>>enough after the first year to actually start getting somewhere, but still
>>a fool.
>
>Shouldn't that be: foolish enough to think they're wise?  (I've taught a few at
>this level.)
>
>Splash!

	Rachel says, "Wasn't it Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens, if you prefer)
who said, 'When I was seventeen, I thought my father was the stupidest
man I had ever met. When I was thirty-seven, I was amazed at how much the
old man had learned over the years.'"

(Note: This is a paraphrase- if you remember it or have access to a copy
of _Bartlett's_Quotations_, feel free to correct it.)
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From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt (Jason))
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Dragon's Inn
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:48:45 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon, Architecture

In article <92289.122816BLL102@psuvm.psu.edu>, <BLL102@psuvm.psu.edu>
writes:
> 
> Could somebody please tell me if alt.dragon's-inn is still around?  My
> system tells me there isn't anything with a name even remotely like this
> anymore.  I originally found out about it from a guy that reads this
> newsgroup, so I was hoping somebody would be familiar with it.  Thanks.
> 
> -Belinda LeFor
> bll102@psuvm.psu.edu
> Dept. of Anthropology
> Penn State University

A decker in a black leather jacket looks up a moment from the screen of his
laptop computer, and says

"It is. It's name has been changed, however. Look for
<alt.pub.dragons-inn>. I looked in there just now and it was quite active.
Over 120 posts in the last five days. Ask your sysop to get access to the
new version of the newsgroup."

He looks back at the screen and continues muttering something to himself
about damaged e-mail servers. "Now then, back up the mail file over here,
restore the server, and send messages to the five yahoos that have over a
meg of e-mail on the server . . ."

Jason
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus)
Subject: Re: Words
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:16:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.155942.18918@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> aaron@space.ualberta.ca writes:
>"Expose?  Ooh!  ;-}  Sorry to be defensive.  But you were the one who attacked
>my term in the first place!  ;-}  It was her!  She started it!  ;-}"

Right.

O.K.  I'm stupid and childish and I'm sorry for being reactive.

The basic idea I was *trying* to get across is that sometimes it's good to
be careful of the phrases one uses because one can offend.  I'm sorry the
other shit got in the way.  You won.  You got all the points. 

And I'm wrong, wrong, wrong.

I only wish that the rest of the world thought as you do.  That's all.

>"Yes, but isn't the fact that we're having an argument(however friendly)a sign
>that one of the folks here reacted badly to one thing or another(however
>mildly)?  I can't remember which one, now...was it you or me that provoked the
>other?  ;-}  Whichever, I'll offer a hug, person of Oriental descent."

As I said quite literally, there are many reasons why I dislike referring
to myself as Oriental; but you deliberately use it anyway.  How *am* I 
supposed to take that?

Sigh... well, if Bill can say it, I can *do* it...

You probably just meant to be funny both above and here.   But, you know,
they both hurt like hell because I'll always wonder if you ever even looked
at the idea before stomping on me about the ill-advised example.

And Liralen accepts the hug.
-----
Liralen Li
li@inigo.Data-IO.com
From: rider@geloser.login.qc.ca (Serge Ayotte)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Grrr...
Date: 11 Oct 92 12:44:57 GMT
Organization: Gentleman Loser System, Montreal/Qc/Cdn

yho@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Yue-shun E. Ho) writes:

> In article <1b37ecINN9a2@gap.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
> >In article <1992Oct9.011300.6731@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, mar@physics.su.OZ.AU (David 
> >=He looks up. "Oh, sorry. Just rebuilding my .newsrc file. I tried reading
> >=news last night, not realising that the disk on this machine was full.
> >=When I quit news, it tried to save the changes to my .newsrc, failed, and
> >=for some reason erased the old version as well.
> >
> >StM points out, "Er, DM?  That's a *FEATURE*.  Really.  It's deeply imbedded
> >the specification of every single one of the unix filesystems.  When unix
> >(including SunOS) tries to create a file, and there's already one of the sam
> >name there, the first step is to delete the old one.  The second step is to 
> >to create the new one.  Now, if the disk is full when it gets to step two,
> >you're completely out of luck.  Sorry, but that's the way it works, and that
> >the way it's SUPPOSED to work.  Just one of the many reasons I prefer VMS."
> 
> But VMS keeps all versions of the same file unless someone purges them.
>   And the disk will become full much much quicker, which is not something
>   DM wants either.  Maybe you would suggest CMS instead, eh?  
> 

Rider inserts himself a little bit in the conversation (while punching
himself an asbestos suit (-; );
"I don't want to create an OS war here so I won't say it's the fault of
the OS, BUT it is certainly a fault of the EDITOR being used... Myself
being on an OS/2-DOS system, the only editors I used are those that
create FIRST a *.bak of the original then tries to save the new one, at
least like that what is lost is NOT everything... ANd I don't mean
multiple bak, just the last one read..."


Serge Ayotte

DOS=HIGH? I knew it was on something...
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