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From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:52:45 GMT

In a recent misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current article, Steve Strauss wrote:

>Keith E Gatling writes:
>
>>  My wife and I are expecting our first child in February.  If it's a girl,
>>  we've decided to name her Devra Marie.  We haven't had many problems with
>>  that one aside from the occasional "What an unusual name," or "But she won't
>>  be able to get license plates off the rack in the store like other kids," or
>>  "She'll spend her whole life correcting people when they call her
>>  'Debbie'."  None of these bother me, since my sister's name is Jael, and
>>  she's dealt with having to correct people for the past 34 years just fine.
>
>This is kind of off the main subject, but do kids no longer make fun
>of other kids with unusual names?  When I was growing up, kids
>regularly teased those with unusual names.  For this reason, I would
>never give a child an usual name.  You mentioned that your sister has
>had "to correct people for the past 34 years".  Do you really want
>your child to have to do this?  Maybe I'm way off here, but I wouldn't
>put anyone through the possible teasing and confusion that an unusual
>name would cause.

With all due respect to Steve, I think people with extremely usual names
overestimate the trouble involved in spelling your name to everyone who
has to write it down. I know that I would far far rather have to tell
people "No, that's Marcy with a 'y'" than have been one of 4 Debbies
or Steves in my classes all the way through elementary school. (There.
I just dated myself; you can tell the decade of my birth by how I used
Steve and Debbie as examples rather than Megan and Justin.)

For the record, no one managed to find a way to tease me about my name,
since in my school taunts had to rhyme. Nothing rhymes with Marcy. On the
other hand, I recall more than one verse about Steves (heaving on the eaves)
and Mikes (run over by malicious bikes).

Frankly, I think children manage to tease one another just fine, whether
or not the victim has a "teasable" name.

Besides you could name your child something usual like "Mark", only to 
have him grow up and move to Canada, where people always ask "Mark with
a 'k' or with a 'c'?".

IMNSHO, you should name your child something you like and can live with
which doesn't cause your relatives to gag. (For example, if your father-in-
law hates his name so much that he never uses it, you probably shouldn't
give it to your child, even if it has always been one of your favourite
names :-) 

Oh yeh, one advantage of a somewhat unusual name is that it's such a thrill
to meet someone else who has it. 

Just a view from the other side of the fence.

Marcy

-- 

Marcy Thompson		
  SoftQuad (West)			
    marcy@sq.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Subject: Cute Things They Say (30+)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Originator: mgaudrea@wa8
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:10:28 GMT

My 3 year old daughter is heavily into the "Why?" stage.  My husband
said it is driving him nuts, so he tried directing the question to a
Higher Authority.  He told her, "Maybe if you pray REAL, REAL hard, God
will tell you why."
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Miscarriage at 6.5 weeks
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:35:31 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

Cathryn,

Find another doctor if you can. Yes, early miscarriage happens often
enough, but that doesn't excuse their insensitive, unhelpful, and
uninformative behavior. Your doctor should be answering all your
questions about what is normal and how long you should wait before
trying and again, and all that.

Even though you weren't very far along in pregnancy, your husband (and
yourself) might still need to do a little grieving. So be supportive
of him and get yourself better medical care, so that if you have
further problems, you know you'll get the help and advice you need.

Take care of yourself, and I hope the cramping ends quickly

-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Halloween ideas 22 mo-LONG
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:49:29 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <24882@oasys.dt.navy.mil> dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst) writes:
>Ideas for easy halloween costumes:
>I already emailed the original poster, but this seems to be a good time
>for a more general discussion. (Still time to search for the appropriate
>props!)
>

[Many suggestions based on sweat suits]

Here's my contributions for easy costumes:

- purple balloons attached to a brown or purple outfit 
   - a bunch of grapes, of course

- wrap a large box with Christmas paper, add head/arm holes and, voila,
    - a Christmas present

- black tights, orange oversized sweatshirt.  Stuff with tissue.
  Make wings.  Use black electric tape to create stripes (and
  attach the wings) and you have a bee.  Can also add a headband
  with pipecleaners for antennae

- cheerleading/football outfits from you local sports teams booster store

Any more (we've used most of these!)

-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Giving into a fad? When do you say no!
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:27:29 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

>naomir1@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>these, but I don't feel like buying one just because every one else has one.
>We are not talking serious money, but we are talking about giviing into a fad.
> Should I just buy it for her (or suggest she buy
>it with her minute savings). 

I wouldn't buy it for her, but if she wants it badly enough, suggest
that she use her own money for it.  Does she get an allowance?  Having
her spend her own money on a fad that goes out quickly is a great way
for her to learn how useless fads are--as long as not having the money
causes her some hardship.  (i.e. no ice cream cones for 2 weeks,
because she spent her money already and can't buy them, or whatever
she spends her allowance on)

--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: robdean@access.digex.com (Rob Dean)
Subject: Re: Thomas the Tank Engine
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:52:58 GMT

In article <9430232@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> jean@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jean Jasinski) writes:
>My son is also into Thomas the Tank Engine, although not Shining Time Station.
>The Thomas segments are too short on the regular show and he gets upset.
>
>I will see what I can find out about the Mavis engine.  We, too, have all
>of the die cast engines--fortunately there is a "Great Train Store" near us
>that stocks just about EVERYTHING I've ever seen in catalogs:  puzzles, books,
>dinnerware, die casts, including a full-size HO trains which go for about
>$60 apiece.  We don't own these.....
>
>Jean

What do you want to know about Mavis?  I just got back from a two week
trip to England with my wife and 2 1/2 year old son, and
we ended up  buying all 36 of the Awdry Railway Series books that the
TV shows are based on.

MAvis is a small diesel switch engine who belongs to the Ffarquhar Quarry
which is somehwere out on the branch line that Thomas usually runs.  (Along
with some help from Toby, of course).  As far as I recall, she really only
shows up in a couple of books, particularly Tramline Engines and the most
recent one, Thomas Returns.

My son loves these books (and so do I) and he will contentendly sit and listen
to two or three in a row.  (Very handy for long train trips like we had on
our vacation.)  We also ended up altering the plan of our trip to visit
the original of the Skarloey Railway (The Talyllyn in Tywyn, Wales).  Lots
of fun, and lots of other railway addicted children to be seen...

Rob Dean
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Halloween ideas 22 mo-LONG
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:59:18 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <1992Sep11.134929.18651@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:
>
>Here's my contributions for easy costumes:
>
>	[ideas deleted - you've read them, right?]
>
>Any more (we've used most of these!)
>

If you live anywhere near a "Toy Liquidators" this is a great place.  They
have all those toys that came out when older movies were first released.
We got Mitchell a ghost buster's outfit there for about $15.00.  He has a
flight suit he wears the pack over.  And he cut down an old leather belt of
mine and hooks a ghost trap and what he calls his phone but they use in the
movie to find the ghosts.  In fact, we had to buy him a new flight suit when
his old one got too small.



-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:05:20 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Summary: jordan

In article <1992Sep11.124647.16730@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, adamson@grok65.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Ann Adamson) writes:
> 
> Along these lines, I am at 23 weeks and just recently had an ultrasound
> that said I was "probably" having a boy.  But just in case, we need to pick
> a name for a girl too.  The name I really like for a little girl is Jordan.
> Now, this seems to be a real love-hate thing with most people...about half
> love it and the other half say "but that's a boy's name!"  My brother 
> absolutely HATES it.

This reminds me of when my sports-loving pastor named his dog "Jordan"
after Micheal Jordan.  One time after listing the names of his family
members (including the dog), one older lady exclaimed "Jordan!  What
a nice RELIGIOUS name for a pastor's dog!"


(Reference to the "River Jordan" for those weak on Biblical geography)
-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
From: judim@wes.on.ca (Judi Mota)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:49:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.230251.14756@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>
>The name we've been considering is Geordie LeVar.
>
      (stuff on name consideration deleted)
>
>Okay...opinions?
>
>--
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>* Keith E Gatling                                  kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu *
>*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

I, for one, think Geordie LeVar Gatling is a great name!

I also believe you are entitled to name your child any name you choose and
no one should have anything to say about it.  My brother and his wife named
their little girl Sydney and their last name is Schultz.  It wasn't a name
I'd pick for a little girl but today she's Syd and she's adorable and now I
think it suits her just fine.  And I love her to pieces! 

Besides, your little boy will probably be thrilled to have the same name
as someone from the Star Trek series.  It's more exciting to be named after
someone (or even something - I was named after a stuffed tiger in the back
window of my dad's car) than to have had your name picked out of a book!

Then of course there's the possibility that he'll end up with a nickname!
I have about seven or eight nicknames and I answer to all of them without
even a second thought!

So be sure to let us know what you end up choosing!8^)

Judi

P.S.  Congratulations - babies are precious so be sure to enjoy them!

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: diane@camdenuswest.com ( Diane Diesh)
Subject: Re: Warning kids about strangers?
Reply-To: diane@advtech.uswest.com
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:22:34 GMT

In article <BuF1xF.DzB@apollo.hp.com>, betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:
> So, skip the whole thorny issue of "strangers" entirely.  Just make
> a family rule that "You never go ANYWHERE without calling me first
> to see if it's okay."  This rule comes in handy for non-frightening
> reasons (you know when Sarah and her friend Marcie go to the mall with
> Marcie's mother).  When the rule is *really* needed, it protects your
> child against the friendly next-door neighbor as well as against 
> the mysterious woman in a black raincoat.  And, unfortunately, the
> friendly next-door neighbor is a likelier culprit.

I think Diane Lin suggested an approach I like even better: "Never go
ANYWHERE with ANYONE without telling the grown-up in charge."

The problem with the telephone call is that I'm certainly not always
immediately reachable by phone.  I hope most purpetrators would be put
off by the fact that the child "needs to make a phone call first," but
what if he/she weren't?  And suppose the phone call goes unanswered?
The purpetrator may be very persuasive ("Your mom said it was OK...").

Unfortunately, as Betsy pointed out, all too often the purpetrator is
a family friend or relative, who might also be the "grown-up in charge".
Which is why kids need to understand:

> "Don't
> let anybody touch you where it makes you uncomfortable,"

I might add "Don't let anybody show you things that make you uncomfortable."
Exhibitionism and display of pornography come (painfully) to mind.
-- 
Diane Diesh
diane@advtech.uswest.com
Xref: sparky misc.kids:22788 rec.outdoors.fishing:576
From: mrt7455@evtprp0b (Michael R Tucker)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: My boy and I
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:57:22 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Distribution: usa
Organization: evt_bcs



     This has been a really wonderful summer for me and the
relationship I have with my son.  He is 8.5 and a real kick.
This year, he has been capable enough with his fishing that
I could actually get some fishing of my own in and we could
"go fishing together".  This is important.  He remembered
last year when we went.  I never got my line wet acouple of
times becuase he and his sister needed so much attention
with their casting and tangles and snags... and he thought
that I wasn't trying hard to do some fishing.  That bothered
him.  I was tickled to find that out.
     We were going to go fishing one of the local streams
one morning and we were talking in the car.  He was telling
me what he was going to be when he grew up.  I knew it would
be something outdoors/animal/wildlife related 'cause that is
most of what he talks about.  He tickled me no end with what
he said that morning.  He has decided that he wants "to be a
full time fisherman and a part time ranger.... I'll learn
ranger at ITT Tech.  They teach ranger at ITT Tech don't
they?"  Boy, was it hard to keep the car on the road for a
few minutes.  I didn't laugh out loud but it was funny and
precious in that way that only kids can be.
     We went fishing last Saturday up the Skykomish River.
This is a local river that is one of the best for steelhead.
We didn't catch anything, had a couple of bumps from some
sort of trout.  One fella had caught a steelhead just before
we got to where we were fishing and we got to see it.  My
boys eyes 'bout to jump out of his head.  It was only about
6 pounds but it was the biggest trout Jacob had ever seen.
I wish my feelings were as unguarded and fresh as his are.
We both fished for a while, had breakfast then went back to
fishing.  He told me that next time I should make him go to
bed REAL early so he wouldn't be so tired.  I had to grin
about that one.  He quit fishing and took up that sport that
all little boys seem to be naturals at...  skipping stones
across the river, and general rock chucking.  I quit after a
while and we headed home, he fell asleep in the van, my
little angel.


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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Pacifiers
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:59:07 GMT

In article <21809@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:

>Big question: when do you stop offering the pacifier?

I read (I can't remember where) that the best time was six months.
It's old enough that the need for non-nutritive sucking is reduced
(and old enough for them to use their thumbs if they really need to),
but young enough that the habit hasn't become engrained.

>I hate to see
>an older child with one--and don't even like the way it hides Jordan's
>mouth now.   I don't want it to turn into his "lovey", but I don't
>want to take it from him if he still needs non-nutritive sucking.

I share your feelings.  I saw a kid a while back who had to be at least
SIX, with a pacifier in his mouth.  I really wanted to throttle his
parents (but I get that feeling a lot lately; I think it's hormones).

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
From: hunnicu@seq.uncwil.edu (jeff hunnicutt)
Subject: Epeseiotomy(sp?)
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:44:21 GMT


Greetings All,

My wife gave birth to our son Aug. 16th. During the birth an
epeseiotomy(sp) was performed. This seemed routine enough. The
Dr. stitched her up afterwards. Now we have have discovered at
my wife's first post-partum exam that the stitches dissolved and
the cut has reopened. They suggested she soak in the tub and spray
the area with Hydrogen peroxide, saying it would heal itself. Much
to my wife's dismay it does not appear to be doing so. Upon a
return visit to the Dr. they say they will let it go until 3 months
from the date of delivery. If it hasn't healed by then then outpatient
surgery will be neccessary to close the incision. This seems unusual
to me. Isn't there a risk of infection? Has anyone else had a similar
experience? It frankly worries me to death that she could suffer from
further complications unneccesarily. If you have any advice or related
experience I would like to hear from you.

Thanks in advance. 
-- 
 Jeff Hunnicutt, UNC-Wilmington/Information Systems/Datacommunications 
  \--------------------Wilmington, North Carolina-------------------/   
   hunnic@uncecs.edu hunnicutt@vxc.uncwil.edu hunnicu@seq.uncwil.edu
       "And you and I climb, crossing the shapes of the morning"
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Folic Acid prevents spinabifida!
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:50:02 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

I read an article last week (I think it was in the Washington Post Newspaper
Health Supplement, but I'm not sure) that the AMA has come out with
a new recommendation that all women of childbearing age take folic acid
supplements.  This is a departure from their previous stance of not
necessarily recommending across the board vitamins, and instead recommending
a healthy diet for everyone.  The reason given was prevention of spina
bifida.  These supplements are most crucial in the first few weeks,
before a woman even knows she is pregnant.  The supplements are also
supposed to reduce osteoporosis, I think.
(My facts are a bit hazy since I don't have the article in front of
me, but I know they recommended that ALL women take these supplements
just in case.)

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: what do people pay for daycare?
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 09:50:54 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catharine Robshaw) writes:

> I live in Toronto area and I pay my sister $17/day to watch my son.
> This is considered a good rate, most I hear of are $100 for private
> daycare.
> 
> Also I have daycare where I work, their rates are:
> $770 for infant
> $650 for toddler (18+ months)
> $550 preschool age.

Is that a week?  A day?  A month?  What?

> 
> I think this is a little over my budget, I hope my sister can keep
> her babysitting up, she is pregnant right now with her second, and
> I think my days might be numbered where she has two or her own 
> plus mine!  I'm keeping my fingers crossed that she has an
> *extremely* easy baby to care for!
> 
> Catharine
> 


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"Do you want to argue with a can of deodorant that registers
NINE on the Richter scale?"        --Ace, in "Dragonfire"
From: alison@husky.informix (Alison Suggs)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cornmeal for baby powder???
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:27:58 GMT
Reply-To: alison@husky.informix
Organization: Informix Software

In article 14603@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu, pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep7.145930.10649@waikato.ac.nz>, dmk@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>|> I have this vague recollection of once reading that fine cornmeal (cornfour
>|> to some North Americans) makes an excellent baby powder (without the
>|> problems of added perfumes, asbestos etc or a huge price tag).
>|> 
>|> Can anyone verify this? Attest to its suitability? Totally repudiate it?
>
>Cornstarch in the U.S. Might increase the risk of yeast infections, the 
>worst sort of diaper rash, but I don't know whether I believe that.
>
>What *is* baby powder for? We've never used it and never had any problem. 
>All we use is water on washcloths to clean the baby's bottom.
>

Along the same lines, what IS petroleum jelly supposed to be used for?
I got 3 jars of it as shower gifts, and they joined the two partially-used
jars my husband & I have had since college.  The only thing I've ever used
it for is chapped lips.

Alison