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From: WEBBG@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
Subject: Re: drums and worship
Organization: SYSTEMS & COMPUTING
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 16:10:48 PST

In article <1ds2knINNbkc@agate.berkeley.edu>
tjchen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Thomas Jer Chen) writes:
 
>
>Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
>Subject: Drums and Worship
>Summary:
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>Keywords:
>
>   This is my first time posting on ANY news thing, and I've tried
>twice already, so bear with me.
>
>   I am a relatively new drummer for our church and would like to generate
>discussion about the use of drums in worship.  Although drums and cymbals
>have been mentioned in the OT in conjunction with praise, it seems to me
>like some churches feel like drums are more distracting than other more
>conventional "worship" instruments (e.g. guitar and keyboards)  Specifically,
>what are some steps that I can take to minimize distracting effects and
>maximize the additive effects of drums?
>
>   Also, I would like to make an open call to all ye drummers out there:
>I'd really like to set up some sort of email list so we can share ideas
>from time to time.  Feel free to send your address to me, and maybe
>a brief intro about your involvement with drums and worship.
>
>                                 Praise be to God,
>
>                                 Thomas Chen
>
 
Well, to begin with I have played in my church for 5 years, and absolutely
love playing drums/percussion.  Percussion can be a great asset to any church
orchestra, but it has to be done with great sensitivity and care.  Drummers
MUST be incredibly in tune with the worship leader and the Holy Spirit when
playing, nothing destroys a spirit of wordhip more then insensitive bashing
in the percussion section.  At the same time, you can create beautiful colors
textures that greatly add to the service.  I love to drum and I think that
drums can be used very effectively in worship, but the most important issues
have to do with the drummers having a servant's heart, and a intimate, personal
relationship with Jesus Christ.  I will not allow myself, or anyone in the
section, to play if I/they have not spent quality time with Jesus before
the service.  It is better to not have drums at all then to have a section
who is not spiritually prepared to play.  The musicians in the temple were
priests first, musicians sencond.
 
 
Well, that's enough rambling.
 
God bless you all
Geoff
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: iba@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Wayne Iba)
Subject: Re: TANGENT: "Christian" as an adjective
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:09:25 GMT

harling@miki.pictel.com (Dan Harling) writes:


I wrote:
>>  In fact, I have a hard time
>>imagining situations where a title of this sort would be useful.
>>
>>However it is technically correct in such cases, as opposed to talking
>>about christian chairs, pencils, and music.


>  As for "Christian music," who has to be a Christian in order for
>this adjective to be appropriate: the songwriter, the performer, the
>recording engineer, the producer, the record label owner, or some
>combination?

*Bzzzt*, none of the above.  I think we agree violently.  The MUSIC
would have to be christian for us to talk about christian music!  That
is patently absurd.  

--wayne (iba@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov)

[ps: not trying to be short -- just have no time right now.]
From: martino@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert Paul Martino Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Kerry Livgren & Kansas (was Re: Rachel,Rachel)
Date: 18 Nov 1992 05:54:01 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

Mark Wuest writes:
>moeller@convex.com  writes:
>>I was at Target, and saw a new Kansas album, called: Kansas: Live at The
>>Whiskey. With special appearances by Kerry Livgren.
>
>>No I haven't heard it, and am curious if it would be worth my while to
>>pick up.
>
>OF COURSE you ought to pick it up so you can tell US what it's like!!!!
>
>;-)
>
>Mark

Well I have it and I can say what it's like!  

BUY IT!

This album is simply great.  Very intense performance, some great
old progressive type stuff like Paradox, Mysteries and Mayhem,
Song for America etc. and classics like Carry On Wayward Son and
Dust in the Wind.  The talent of the band really shows, Kerry
does some stuff like sing on Dust in the Wind and some guitar
too.  I'm not sure what other songs he's in.  DDD recording also, sound
quality is great!

Track listing:

Intro
Howlin' at the Moon from Magnum Opus
Paradox
Point of Know Return
Song for America
The Wall
Hold On
Dust in the Wind
Miracles Out of Nowhere
Mysteries and Mayhem
Portrait
Carry On Wayward Son
Down the Road
Bonus Track: Lonely Street (recorded live sometime in the 70s)

Rob
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martino@wpi.wpi.edu                  |      philosophical quote here)
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: iba@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Wayne Iba)
Subject: Re: TANGENT: "Christian" as an adjective
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:57:18 GMT

crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:

>In light of the current (ongoing?) discussion about "Christian" vs.
>"non-Christian" music, I'm reminded of what somebody somewhere said about
>the use of the word "Christian" as an adjective rather than as a noun. 
>That individual (can't remember who it is) said that he didn't think it
>should ever be used as such, that Christians have created a culture and
>filled it with certain things that they then define as being "Christian." 
>Is anyone else familiar with this thinking?  

I've said this before and I'll say it again (although I don't think
I originated it).

Good grief, christian skate boards in the shape of a fish?  Next
you'll be bombarded with christian chairs and tables, cars, etc.
Where will it end?

People are christians, not the things they make or possess.  My
bicycle is a "christian's bicycle" (even ownership could be
challenged), but it certainly is not a "christian bicycle".  In the
same way, music can be written or performed by christians, or it can
have scriptural or spiritual themes, but it cannot (IMO) be "christian
music".

Nor are the actions of a christian suitable for using christian as an
adjective.  Such attitude leads to concepts as a "the crusades" or
"punching your lights out in a christian way".  Was that a christian
or a non-christian sneeze?

>How would you define something as being "Christian"?  

As having made the choice to lay down its life, take up its cross, and
follow Jesus, thankfully receiving the forgiveness offered and
obediently loving its fellow things as equally worthy of God's grace
as itself.

[Thanks Lauren, for this opportunity to rave on one of my pet peeves.]

--wayne (iba@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Becker
From: bproden@ualr.edu
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:36:44 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

In article <1992Nov18.010851.28313@wdl.loral.com>, trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort) writes:
> In article <98047@netnews.upenn.edu>, crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
> |> Anyone familiar with Margaret Becker?  I saw a CD of hers the other day,
> |> which was produced and arranged by Charlie Peacock.  I've heard of him but
> |> not her.  What's she like?
> 
>    She's excellent (IMHO). When I first heard her, she immediately
> reminded me of the secular group "Heart". She basically does good
> old fashioned rock - from hard stuff to balads. She has increased 
> the proportion of balads on her albums, so she isn't as rowdy as
> most Christian artists most of the time. She is DEFFINITELY worth
> a listen.
> 
>     Never for Nothing
>     (can't remember the name of her second album...)

The second album was _The_Reckoning_.

>     Immigrant's Daughter
>     Simple House
>     Greatest Hits
> 
> -- Tim

Brian Roden
Little Rock, AR
From: motto@bucknell.edu (john motto `94)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Galactic Cowboys, Extreme and King's X
Date: 23 Nov 1992 17:12:26 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: algol.cs.bucknell.edu

In article <1emcglINN1lb@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, sdstpk@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (the bearded one)
|> 
|> Okay, Jerry.  Whatever.  Like I stated, I'm not complaining about their musical
|> style, I'm complaining about their lyrics.  I will try and find the copy of
|> Heaven's Metal which explores the endless spiritual boundries of Extreme, but
|> I'm not holding my breath for much of a surprise.  I've had to listen to that
|> song more than I care to mention due to its massive airplay.  If they're
|> trying to get a message across besides 'Sleep with me or I won't love you 
|> anymore', they missed the mark; otherwise, the song wouldn't be so widely
|> misunderstood.  You can't expect the entire radio audiance to rush out and
|> pick up the latest magazine to hear what these songs are supposedly saying.
|> 


Okay...about Extreme.  

Try listening to the song called "Rise And Shine" on their new album.  More
than once they mention that "There`s a time for everything", and the section
of the album it is from is subtitled "Everything Under The Sun."  As far as
I know, this is spoken of in Ecclesiastes, so there may be *some* proof of
their 'searching' for the truth.

Did you ever consider "More Than Words" as God speaking to us telling us that
we SHOULD LIVE OUR LIVES WITH MORE THAN WORDS....with actions showing our 
committment to Him??????

I hope so....

In our Savior,

John 
(motto@pleiades.cs.bucknell.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: burtp@sage4c.its.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: I Still Believe (Russ Taff's version)
Keywords: Russ Taff Call
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:19:29 GMT

In article <lgflobINN9lc@dimebox.cs.utexas.edu> psurge@cs.utexas.edu (Troy Carpenter) writes:
>my opinion, Russ butchered "I Still Believe."  The music is almost the same,
>but the vocals are awful (maybe due to the fact that it is a live recording).
>There are sections where Russ screams the lyrics and some of the most important
>words are unintellegable.
>

hunt down the studio version.  I personaly like Russ's version.  The
music is esentialy the same, but Mr. Taff's rough vocals add an
incredible depth to the song that the Call's clean, glossy vocals
don't.

2c worth...

later,
phil


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: icsip193@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: An alternative to secular music. . .
Reply-To: icsip193@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:37:17 GMT

	Hello.  Let me tell you a little bit about myself.  I am the lead
singer for a band named Between Now and Sunday.  Now, I am not writing to you
to waste either of our time, but I have a very important message that I need to
get out.
	My band is a Christian band with an emphasis on ministry to junior
high and High school students.  We have a vision that will not die.  What we
need is financial help, because we are all college students (One of us at
Montana Bible College, and the rest at Montana State University).
	Our primary need right now is for equipment, a mixing board and stage
speakers.  Lack of finances will not and cannot kill our vision, but will slow
it down.  We are trusting in the Lord to provide.
	I will not suggest an amount.  Rather, we would prefer that you send
whatever amount the Lord lays it on your heart to send.  If you cannot send
money, pray for us, for we come up against much resistance from unseen forces.
	There are five of us in the band.  We are:

		Shannon Peevey - Lead and Rhythym Guitars
		Nick Rauch - Keyboards
		Rob Adair - Bass
		Trevor McRea - Drums
		Michael Waldron - Lead Vocals

	If you send money, please make a check or money order payable to
"Between Now and Sunday."  Mail to Shannon at 1710 Terrace Avenue, Bozeman, MT 
59715, or Michael Waldron at 42 Langford Hall, same state, city and zip.
	Thank you for reading this, and may the Lord reward you richly for your
contribution to the furtherance of the kingdom.  If you need to get in touch
with me, my e-mail address is mx%"ICSIP193@TREX.OSCS.MONTANA.EDU"  I will be
happy to respond to your message.


		In Christ,
		Michael Waldron  "The Renaissance Man"
		Lead Singer - Between Now and Sunday
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: speg@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Doug Speheger)
Subject: Geoff Moore concert
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:25:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK

Has anyone seen Geoff on the current tour?  I went to the concert in nearby
Shawnee, OK and it was really good until a thunderstorm squall line came
through and knocked out power to half the town.  Does anybody know what songs
he did in concert especially from Place To Stand and Foundations?  

Just wondering what I missed.

speg

-- 
        _
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University of Oklahoma, School of Meteorology
speg@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu, speg@metgem.gcn.uoknor.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: esquire@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer)
Subject: need some advice/help/whatever you want to call it..
Keywords: please..thank you...
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:51:23 GMT

Thanks for reading...

I have a question..

Maybe I am a little confused, but did country music come from Christian
music or what????

Thanks and God Bless,
Scott

P.S. I don't think I asked this anymore, but maybe waht I am about to ask
appeared on thhis newsgroup, but I will ask anyways...

I need some advice here, no doubt..

I know I need to listen to music that is geared toward God and all,
but I need to know what you guys/gals out there think about 
secular msuic?? I know I wouldn't listen to Metallica and all those
metal groups(secular), and a lot of hard rock, but about secular music
in detail??  
I have a bunch of secular CDs I am thinking about maybe trying to sell, but
I have been praying about this and all but feel I need somemore help here
before truly knowing what to do.......

thanks for your help..

In His Perfect Love,
Scott Kramer

esquire@sage.cc.purdue.edu
From: n3x092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Geoff Lloyd Burian)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Pray For Rain and Hokus Pick M
Date: 22 Nov 1992 16:36:52 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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In article <By3GHz.BKB@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> gjkirk@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Gerald Kirk) writes:
[.....]
>    They remind me a lot of Hokus Pick Manouver, an amazing band from Vancouver, BC Canada.  These guys are young too (under 30) and have enormous energy.  I saw them in concert in September and they had the whole place jumping (I found
out later that fans in front of the stage caused damage to the ceiling of the room one floor down!).  They too, know how to write great lyrics and by far have the most fun of any band I've seen.  They just started an American tour and I believe they are in California right 
[....]
>Gerald Kirk

Yes, Hokus Pick is a great group.  I went to their concert last New Years and
for some reason they put it in an upstairs room.  They had to tell people
to sit down because the floor wasn't set up to support that many people
jumping up and down.  I've been to quite a few of their concerts and they're
always pretty hyper.

The summer camp I work at has had them in a number of times for retreats
and youth camps over the past couple years.  They're fun guys.  We had
a youth retreat last year and called it "Sofa Logic" (after their song);
we took them into downtown Vancouver and videotaped them sitting on a sofa
which they rolled around to various spots as someone else interviewed people
on the street.  It was fun (have to be there to appreciate the humour). The
kids seem to like the energy they create (I know I do).  They've even gotten
some of their videos on MuchMusic (Canadian equivalent of M-TV).  They have a
good blend of serious and fun lyrics and songs.

Anyone (particularly in the U.S.) seen "the Picksters"?  What do people
think?

Geoff B.

-- 
===================================================================
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n3x092@rick.cs.ubc.ca          The University of British Columbia
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From: iba@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Wayne Iba)
Subject: Re: TANGENT: "Christian" as an adjective
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:16:50 GMT

I just wanted to ammend what I said yesterday about "christian" as
an adjective.

I see one situation where it can correctly be used as such -- when
describing a particular group of people who are christians.  That is,
a church made up of christians is a "christian church", a bridge club
made up of christians could be a "christian bridge club", or a band
consisting of christian musicians could be a "christian band".

Importantly, these descriptions may not be appropriate or useful in
certain cases.  For example, I know of a "christian bicycle racing
club" that is _primarily_ made up of christians.  The purpose of the
club is evangelism.  Therefore, I feel that the title "christian
bicycle club" is counter productive.  In fact, I have a hard time
imagining situations where a title of this sort would be useful.

However it is technically correct in such cases, as opposed to talking
about christian chairs, pencils, and music.

--wayne (iba@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: schouten@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten)
Subject: Re: Kerry Livgren & Kansas (was Re: Rachel,Rachel)
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R & D
	<1992Nov11.183555.25508@news.eng.convex.com> <rhalse20.721697816@ursa>
	<BxpzGx.FCJ@news <26@narnia.UUCP>
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:21:29

In article <26@narnia.UUCP> sysop@narnia.UUCP (Jim Vestal) writes:
> I saw Kansas at a small concert last year...
> was held at the Holiday Inn and they served drinks... 

Boy, sounds like a bad joke.

Q: Where do bands go when they die?
A: Holiday Inn

(Apologies to Kansas fans, past and present)

Dale Schouten
schouten@uiuc.edu
From: ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: GIF's
Date: 17 Nov 1992 06:31:15 GMT
Organization: Turkey Hall
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

>A while back, someone posted the FTP site where various
>GIF's could be downloaded, some christian, some not.
>The site was something like uwp...edu.  I have lost
>the address and am very interested in the Amy Grant
>GIF's that were mentioned.  If someone out there
>has the address and is willing to share it, please
>e-mail me asap.


cs.uwp.edu in one of two directories:  /pub/music/.../kingsx for King's X
				 and:  /pub/music/.../christian for Amy Grant
						and everybody else....

The "..." is something like images/gif or pictures/gif or something like that.
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Subject: Re: What is industrial music?
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:02:15 EST
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

schouten@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten) writes:
> cb23209@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher Buchholz ) writes:
> > bye the way, if you're looking for good christian industrial 
> > check out global wave syste
> 
> Which leads one to a question of venue.
> I mean, like, I've heard a recording or 2 of Industrial Music, but
> like there Industrial Concerts and stuff?  Or is it mostly just
> something people record and listen to recordings of.  (It's just 
> that every time I envision an idustrial `battle of the bands' I get 
> a mental picture similar to something out of Terminator :-)

that's a decent start. :^) there -are- industrial concerts, and
they're some of the most fun & exciting i've ever been to. they
generally have a lot in common with hardcore metal or punk concerts.
you will see a few more people wearing circuit boards at an industrial
show tho'. :^)

in addition, many industrial bands have two different styles: their
studio production stuff, which is entirely synthetic, and their live
stuff, which is very, very much live.

Rise Robots Rise, for example is only 2 people when they record. on
stage the number swells to around a dozen, all needed to create the
kind of sound a few sequencers could do, but more naturally. (yes,
i -know- RRR isn't exactly industrial, but they're the most blatant
example.)

jason

--
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From: petra@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: MWS and Petra concert questions
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:40:09 GMT
Organization: Mankato State University

Hi all!

I have a request to make of you.  If anyone knows when MWS is touring in
Minnesota, could you please send me the dates and venue.  I know, I know.  I
should call the 900 number, but unfortunately, my roomie had 900 services 
disabled when he got the phone hooked up.  Also, does anyone know when Petra
and Josh MacDowell are touring in Minnesota or any of the surrounding states.
My roomie wants to take his youth group on a road trip(yes, the man is a loon).
Any help would be most appreciated.  I'll even send you a thank you note.

God bless you all.

Donavan
RU-486: the abortion pill.  Also know as "Are you for 86?"
Think pro-life, God did.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Subject: Re: Split ?????
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Fool's Gold Enterprises
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:52:00 GMT

The Arctic Wolfe <rta1@cornell.edu> writes...
>   I'm looking for info on a German punk band named Split ?Something-or-other?
> Their style is very similar to Forever Mercy era Altar Boys, although their
>sound is quite unique.  Any info would be greatly appreciated.

the only info that I have that may be correct comes from my ACM Journal...

under the 'College Progressive' listing, they put Split Level, a band from
Germany......the only listing is _View of a World_

I don't know anything about this band, though, so that's all the info I have.
It doesn't list an address or a label or anything else. Hope this helps at 
least a little.....

Perhaps someone else will have heard of them from the full name. (assuming
that I gave the right band)


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