HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: elkordy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Mohamed Elkordy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Bosnia and the Muslims of the world
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:14:11 GMT
Organization: UB


>Do you respond on this horrible disaster because the victims are
>Muslims or because they are human beings? Would you respond if they
>were not Muslims?

>Thanx a lot for the answer,


  OF COURSE WE DO, AS A MATTER OF FACT WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO IF FOLLOWING
ISLAMIC PERSPECTIVE.  

 In Islam, "human being" is respected for his "humanity", and who ever
kills one "sole" , it is as if he killed all humanity in that sole.  Notice
here I am saying "sole" not only "Muslim sole".

 God ... I just can not belive that such a question can be asked, if it is
out of challenge ... that is O. K. and I would feel bad that I botherd 
responding.  If it is out of not knowing Islam, this is really depressing.
check the book "Islam: the most mis-understood religion", do not recall
author.


elkordy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: damir@infopls.chi.il.us (Damir Matanic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: hey SCUM: JEWS & USTASE
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 14:54:55 CDT
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

s924819@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Stuart Vincent Davison) writes:

> 
> 
> 
> hearing a jewish animal... lowlife such as yourself really makes me vomit
> 
> we had the chance to rid ourselves of you scum50 years ago..but no...
> 
> 
> that zionists Hitler bastard fucked it all up..
> i only wish the Deutsch had a leader that could finish off the job  properly 
>  
>  Q. Why do you call yourself Russian Jew... when you are a jewish low
>  life animal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????????????
> 	 you are jewish not russian fuckhead !!!!
> 	
> 	..your just like those Croatians..who love themselves....why dont youz
> 	alll go fuck yourselves!!!!!!!!!!!
> 	..........   ............ ...............
> 	SAMO SLOGA SPASAVA SRBINA !!!!!!    we need no jews supporting us
> 	you and you fucking UN have tried to fuck up our people
> 
> 	But remember... there is not one Jewish sole in Beograd or Knin
> 
> 	nor will there ever be!
> 	
> 	You jewish arsehole dont try make fools of us  ZIVELA SRBIJA
> 	 
> 	 
> 	 
> 	 
> 	      GO SUPPORT tudjmans GREATER CRoatian JEWISH STATE
> 	       


  You fascist mother-fucker !!

Knin will return to the Croatian fatherland!  You bastards are damn lucky 
that Tudman is in power, otherwise, if true Croatian nationalists come to 
power, all of your fellow cetniks in Croatia will get their fat heads 
blown off!  Just wait HA! HA! HA! HA!.......KOSOVO ! KOSOVO! Kosovo is 
about to blow up in your faces!  And remember, if the southern front 
boils over, Turkey will be at your doorstep and not to mention Bulgaria 
!!!   Drop dead Serbian shit !!!

U             U
U             U
U             U
U             U
U             U
U             U
U             U
U             U
 UUUUUUUUUUUUU


                  Za     Dom
                    Spremni !!!!!!!


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Xref: sparky soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:229 soc.culture.african:5054
From: antbh@strix.udac.uu.se (Bernhard Helander)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS (2nd)
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:48:03 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: strix.udac.uu.se

imnet2@max.u.washington.edu writes:


>Drought is not a new phenomenon in Africa. In fact, since time immemorial,
>the continent has had cyclic droughts. What is new is the resultant famine.
>The first-ever famine in Africa occurred in Cameroon in 1927. It is important 
>to understand why. Prior to the arrival of the Europian clonialists, 
>Africa's agriculture-based economy produced crops for local
>consumption. 

>Under the system introduced by Muslims, grain was collected and stored in 
>in the years of good harvest for distribution when there was drought. This 
>ensured that nobody starved.

Very interesting stuff? Was that a system introduced by the first wave of 
Fulani immigrants at the time of the jihaad against the "pagans" or did 
the system evolve in the occupied territories later on? Do share with us
the full wealth of your historical insights!

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:241 soc.culture.yugoslavia:9006
From: bhmughal@athena.mit.edu (Bilal H Mughal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Bosnia and the Muslims of the world
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:37:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Oct6.033703.5470
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <Bvo5rn.FJ5@acsu.buffalo.edu>, elkordy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Mohamed Elkordy) writes:
...
|> 
|>  God ... I just can not belive that such a question can be asked, if it is
|> out of challenge ... that is O. K. and I would feel bad that I botherd 
|> responding.  If it is out of not knowing Islam, this is really depressing.
|> check the book "Islam: the most mis-understood religion", do not recall
|> author.
|> 

If I recall correctly, the author's name is Muhammad Qutb.  The book
is indeed a very cogent exposition concerning some of the more misunderstood
aspects of Islam in the West.

Bilal

|> 
|> elkordy
From: malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Malenovic Nikola V.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Bosnia's recent successes
Date: 27 Sep 92 02:08:18 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Sep15.025906.20570@latcs1.lat.oz.au> keserovi@latcs5.lat.oz.au (Goran KESEROVIC) writes:
>In article <1632@lysator.liu.se> svedja@lysator.liu.se (Dejan Ilic) writes:

>   Ha, Use your own brain - don't just listen to Chetnik propaganda. 
>   IT WAS THE SERBIAN GOVERNMENT'S UNLIMITED PRINTING OF MONEY THAT
>   DESTROYED SERBIA's ECONOMY. - if Serbia ever had an economy....Most
>   of Belgrade's wealth came from Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia anyway.
>  -Goran

without going into discussion of what Serbian gov' did lately in the frame
of economics, I would like to ask Goran to show the 'wealth' of Belgrade
which can not be found in other cities within the borders of what used to be
Yugoslavia... ah, BTW, we can start talking about Neum and other 'resorts'
along the Croatian coast and elsewhere as well...

Nik
P.S. (evel grin on my face) : well of course we have better looking babes
then any other city... but that does not count... ;>
--
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: ljubicic@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Robert LJUBICIC)
Subject: Edward the Zionist
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:57:47 GMT



Get your head out of your arse and wake up.
The Ustase were not fascists.....you probably read
a book or two written by some Serb or communist and you
think you know everything about Ante Pavelic and the Ustase.

You zionists are no better than the Chetniks, look at what you've
done to the Palestians. You treat them as the Serbs treat us.

ZA POGLAVNIKA I DOM SPREMNI 

ZIVJELA NEZAVISNA DRZAVA HRVATSKA

SMRT SRBIJI I JUGOSALVIJI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: yamen@cae.wisc.edu (Soner Yamen)
Subject: Re: B-H is NO place for IWN
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:22:34 CDT

In article <kutluk.717977536@ccl.umist.ac.uk> kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven) writes:
>
>>........ Being part of an Ummah did not work for the Arabs when they
>>fought against the Turks on the side of the British in WW1.  Never mind
>>that they rebelled against the Khalifa.  So much for Islamic
>>brotherhood.   
>
>  Many Arabs fought in WWI on our side as well. Many Arabs perished in
>Macedonia during the last Balkan wars. The fact Turks fought against
>the Azeri Turks for centuries doesn't stop us from being concerned 
>during the Khojaly massacre.

I personally had never witnessed anything like that before. Pakistani,
Turk, Arab, American... they may not get together on any other subject,
are united on that issue. I believe it is a sincere effort and politics
involved is minimum. 

Leaderships in muslim countries usually do not have much sensitivity
on this kind of events. Unless masses are informed and activated there
is no hope for these so called-muslim countries.

thanks for the articles. they are very informative.

regards,
-Soner yamen@cae.wisc.edu
From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: mixed marriages (Re: Percentage of Muslims)
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:34:24 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

(Stevan Vidic) writes:
 (Goran KESEROVIC) writes:
   (Stevan Vidic)(idiot) writes:

>>>This percentage is consistent with both the 1981 and 1991 censuses.  Before
>>>you start making sweeping statements, check the facts first.  OK?
>>>
>>>Regarding the issue of believers and non-believers, I am sorry to disappoint
>>>you but Bosnians could care less about it. You obviously know diddley nothing
>>>about the history of that region.  References to Muslims in B&H signify the
>>>nationality and not necessarily the religious alliance.  True, some of them
>>>practice Islam, but a lot of them don't believe in God at all.  Many of B&H
>>>Muslims were members of the Yugoslav Communist Party, so you could probably
>>>refer to them as atheist Muslims (yeah, it appears to be a contradiction in
>>>terms).  As for those that declare themselves believers, go ask them if they
>>>are Shia or Sunni.  Chances are they won't be able to tell you who succeeded
>>>Mohammed or what happened to Ali.

>  
>>  So you have talked to the 2 million Muslims and know this ???
>>  Tell us then, why, in the 1991 census did the Muslims put them selves
>>  down as "MUSLIMS" and not "YUGOSLAVS" if they were such poor Muslims,
>>  and such big Yugos ??  Sort of contradicts your statements.....

>Hm, it appears that unlike you I have lived in Sarajevo and know something
>about former Yugoslavia. 

This does not mean that you are telling the truth. Karadzic, a
Montenegron Serb, has also lived in Sarajevo, but he is the man who
destroyed the city, its heritage and its civilians.

>His Excellency Muhamed Sacirbey is an American citizen, who does not speak
>Serbo-Croat and has not lived in B&H.

Sacirbey is a man who is only representing BH in the UN. Panic is on the
other hand the PM. 

  I heard that the mixed marriages always played in favour of the
Muslims, i.e. Serb marries Muslim man, and the children are often
Muslim or Serbian man marries Muslim woman and again the children
become Muslim. Naturally, the religious beliefs gets diluted, however
the Serbs do not care what the Muslims believe but their number and
influence in the Republic. Hence, the myth of Muslim percentage growth
is not because of the birth rate but the cultural superiority of the
Muslim ethnic group in urban centres like Sarajevo. This is what makes
the status quo inacceptable for Karadzic and his sort, for in the long
run the Serbs were about to be assimilated.

  This is what I heard from people ''who's been to Sarajevo'' and I
gather that this is more plausable than cross-sectional ethnic maps. 

Kutlku
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 6 Oct 1992 23:41:02 CDT
From: <U15231@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Serbian Leaders Beat the Drums of War



        BELGRADE, Yugoslavia (UPI) -- The leader of Serbian forces occupying
parts of Croatia threatened Friday to launch another war if the new
Yugoslav federation recognizes Croatia, and he defended the brutality of
the conflict, saying this ``kind of ethnic war cannot be ended until one
side is utterly exterminated.''
        Goran Hadzic, the leader of ethnic Serbs in Croatia, said that Serbs
would ``have no choice but (to) fight for their lives'' if the newly
forged federation of Serbia and Montenegro recognized the neighboring
republic of Croatia, which views Hadzic's forces as aggressors.
        ``If Croatia is recognized, its authorities would treat us as rebels,
and we will have to fight them,'' Hadzic told reporters in Belgrade.
        The statement came in reaction to the first session of negotiations
in Geneva between Yugoslav President Dobrica Cosic and Croatian chief of
state Franjo Tudjman.
        Pressed by the U.N. sanctions imposed on the two-republic Yugoslavia,
the authorities in Belgrade have recently started talking peace with
neighboring Bosnia-Hercegovina, which is beseiged by Serbian forces, and
Croatia, which is under U.N. protection after an earlier war.
        Hadzic, answering questions from reporters, initially denied recent
claims that Serbian militiamen had been killing Croatian and Hungarian
civilians.
        ``But, let's face it: This kind of ethnic war cannot be ended until
one side is utterly exterminated,'' he said. ``I am sorry, but that is a
fact of life,'' he added.
        Hadzic then admitted that ``some members'' of his militia ``were
involved in the war crimes,'' but he said most of the alleged
attrocities were commited by the other side in order to discredit the
Serbs.
        In another development, the leader of the Serbs from Hercegovina,
Bozidar Vucurevic, said that his men are ready to attack the Yugoslav
federal army if it tries to pull out its heavy weapons around the region
of the historic Adriatic port of Dubrovnik.
        Cosic and Tudjman agreed in Geneva Thursday that the army should
retreat from its positions around and south of Dubrovnik by Oct. 20.
        ``The federal army is not retreating -- it's running away'', Vucurevic
told the Belgrade-based Tanjug news agency from his mountain stronghold
of Trebinje, 20 miles north of Dubrovnik.
        ``The runaways will be allowed to take their food rations and their
water-bottles with them. If they try to take their weapons, we will
fight them,'' he said.
        The self-proclaimed president of ``Serbian Hercegovina'' said that
the Serbs would not be happy if failed to get a piece of the Dalmatian
coast.
        Vucurevic accused the leadership of the new Yugoslav federation of
deceiving the Serbs in Hercegovina.
        ``They started a war, and now they want us to finish it,'' he said
bitterly.
From: pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: For: U52148
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:51:58 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

U52148@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

>Thank you for correcting my Croatian, it is much appreciated.
>I knew you were a Croat and I suspect that someone shanghied your
>account to write pro-Yugo sentiments. I think you should look into
>it and see that someone dosn't use your account number for the
>promulgation of this pro-Yugo rubbish.

Thank you for thanking me. I'll be more than happy to correct you
in any way you desire. But, beware: I am not a Croat. I do have
pro-Yugo sentiments. Nobody can use my account but me. I wrote
all what I signed with my full name.

>-Chicago Cro

Ana M. Shane
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:247 soc.culture.jewish:17185
From: U15231@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: WARNING: Edward, Eduard or ???? Forgery
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:28:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92280.112847U15231
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Supersedes: <92280.102226U15231@uicvm.uic.edu>


In the last couple weeks netnews comunity witnessed rude postings
from alleged Russian Jew who call himself Eduard Wiener.
I would normaly not question his identity but something just stinks here.
First of all look at his e-mail address:


---->  From: wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)

Note a name Edward. Now look at his signature:

---->   -- Eduard Wiener

This time it is Eduard. This inconsistency repeats in almost every
of his postings.

Second, he is THE most vigorous defender of Serbian policy of genoside
and economic destruction of non-Serb population in ex-Yugoslavia on the net.

Third, he is very well informed about Balkan and on the other hand,
he is not active on soc.culture.jewish, but rather on soc.culture.yugoslavia
and soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna.

Fourth, his posting are full strange alleged facts, like his grand-father was
killing Croats in Jasenovac!?, he has no links to Israel, open hartred towards
Croats and Muslims etc.

Fifth, he has a network of Serbian supporters who are sometimes "defending"
what he can not.

I could go on and on why I am suspicious that Edward (Eduard) Wiener is not
the name of the person posting all that garbage. I am also not convinced that
he is a Russian Jew. I think that he might be a Serb or that a Serb is using
his e-mail address.

Regards,

Zlatko Sijercic
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: WARNING: Edward, Eduard or ???? Forgery
Supersedes: <92280.102226U15231@uicvm.uic.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 6 Oct 1992 11:25:13 CDT
From: <U15231@uicvm.uic.edu>


In the last couple weeks netnews comunity witnessed rude postings
from alleged Russian Jew who call himself Eduard Wiener.
I would normaly not question his identity but something just stinks here.
First of all look at his e-mail address:


---->  From: wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)

Note a name Edward. Now look at his signature:

---->   -- Eduard Wiener

This time it is Eduard. This inconsistency repeats in almost every
of his postings.

Second, he is THE most vigorous defender of Serbian policy of genoside
and economic destruction of non-Serb population in ex-Yugoslavia on the net.

Third, he is very well informed about Balkan and on the other hand,
he is not active on soc.culture.jewish, but rather on soc.culture.yugoslavia
and soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna.

Fourth, his posting are full strange alleged facts, like his grand-father was
killing Croats in Jasenovac!?, he has no links to Israel, open hartred towards
Croats and Muslims etc.

Fifth, he has a network of Serbian supporters who are sometimes "defending"
what he can not.

I could go on and on why I am suspicious that Edward (Eduard) Wiener is not
the name of the person posting all that garbage. I am also not convinced that
he is a Russian Jew. I think that he might be a Serb or that a Serb is using
his e-mail address.

Regards,

Zlatko Sijercic
From: keserovi@ipc2.lat.oz.au (Goran Keserovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Bosnia's recent successes
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:34:33 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

In article <20733@plains.NoDak.edu> malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Malenovic Nikola V.) writes:
>
>without going into discussion of what Serbian gov' did lately in the frame
>of economics, I would like to ask Goran to show the 'wealth' of Belgrade
>which can not be found in other cities within the borders of what used to be
>Yugoslavia... ah, BTW, we can start talking about Neum and other 'resorts'
>along the Croatian coast and elsewhere as well...
>
>Nik
>P.S. (evel grin on my face) : well of course we have better looking babes
>then any other city... but that does not count... ;>
>--

  Well, for example "white goods" (gorenje) made in Slovenia.
  Massive tourism from Croatia.
  Food exports from Croatia - Podravka, Kras etc.
  Shipbuilding in Croatia.
  Arms manufacture in Bosnia.
  etc
  etc
 
  
  Regards,
  -Goran
From: pshane@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ana M. Shane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Proglavnik's Return
Date: 3 Oct 92 04:47:45 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

U52148@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

>There will be a day my Croatian brothers and sisters when a
>now departed leader of great honor returns to Croatia. Proglavnik
>will return...                                         ^^^^^^^^^^

In Croatian it is P O G L A V N I K! 

Learn Croatian better! ;-)

>-Chicago Cro

______________

Ana
From: hra2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Hibatur Rahman Ahmad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: THE NEWS YOU WANT TO HEAR...
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:31:44 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


Article #34014 (34018 is last):
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (ANWAR IQBAL)
Newsgroups: clari.news.gov.international,clari.news.politics.people,clari.news.f
ighting
Subject: Afghan president visits Pakistan
Date: Fri Sep 25 20:21:22 1992

        ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (UPI) -- Afghan President Burhanuddin Rabbani
arrived Friday in Pakistan amid speculation that he may meet Bosnian
President Alija Izetbegovic, who is expected to arrive Saturday.
        The visit follows media reports from Bosnia that Afghan Mujahideen
fighters were helping Bosnian Muslims in their fight against the Serbs.
        Officials in Islamabad said Rabbani, who landed at the northern city
of Peshawar, will begin his official appointments Saturday when he comes
to Islamabad.
        It is Rabbani's first presidential visit to Pakistan, which helped
the Afghan resistance in toppling the Soviet-installed regime in Kabul.
        Rabbani and other Mujahideen leaders fought their 14-year war against
the communists from Peshawar before returning to Kabul in April this
year after the collapse of the communist government.
        Diplomatic sources said Rabbani may meet Izetbegovic, who arrives
Saturday evening but has no meetings scheduled with Pakistani leaders
until Sunday. Both the leaders were to be in Islamabad until Sunday
evening.
        Rabbani will go to Iran from Pakistan. Iran has proposed forming an
Islamic force to help the Bosnian Muslims when the Bosnian foreign
minister visited Iran, Pakistan and Turkey, two months ago.
        Izetbegovic told Pakistani television in New York Friday he was
``grateful to Pakistan and other Muslim countries for the solidarity you
showed with us.''
        Pakistan was one of the first countries to expel Belgrade's
ambassador after Serb rebels attacked Bosnia.


--
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: THE BOSNIAN EXTREMIST
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:56:25 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Anonymous (U43587@uicvm.uic.edu) writes:
>As an ardent supporter of Ante Pavelic, I believe that THE solution
>to the Bosnian crisis is to tale ALL the Serbs and relocate them into
>Serbia. Truman and the allies moved 11 million Germans from Eastern Europe
>into Germany ate the end of WWII. Why can't we do it to the 2 million Serbs
>living in the "contested " areas of Croatia and Bosnia? Then we could rule 
>Bosnia and Croatia like our proglavnik would have wanted.

Ah, so you want ethnic cleansing?

However, I have to admit that I have a feeling that this may be
where it all ends. Hopefully, such "cleansing" will take place
in more worthy forms than what is happening now.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
There are many sorts of Macedonians: Greek, Bulgarian, Roumanian, Macedonian...