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From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Chargers continue choking..
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:34:09 GMT
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Organization: what.. me.. organized?



KC 24 Chargers 10


Yikes.. this got u-g-l-y, the offense was a disaster, the specials
teams atrocious, the defense was OK [if you cut out the mental
errors].

* The special teams was truly pathetic. The opening kickoff was
  fumbled out of bounds at the 2 yd line. The 1st punt was returned
for a TD. Other punts was dropped.

* Every WR/HB/TE/RB dropped at least 1 pass. 

* The OLine was non-existent. Gagliano was almost killed out there.

* The play-calling sucked.

* The running game never got going.

* The QB Gagliano was pulled with early in the 4th after a tipped pass was 
  run back 98 yds for a TD.

* Humphries 1st 3 passes were almost picked off. He settled down
  though to lead them to their only TD, and he may start next week.

* The defense made *crucial* mental errors. KC had a 4th and 2 at
  the SD 40 yd line, and lined up to go for it. SD called a timeout
to remind the line NOT to jump offsides. And guess what they did??
AAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

* SD down by 7, 7 mins to go, KC has a 2nd and miles. Defense 
  contributes a blatant face mask for 15 yds, KC goes on to score.
finis..

* The way KC's offense played, if they reach the AFC finals, Buffalo
  will kill them. And IF by some miracle they reach the SB, the NFC
team will *destroy* them. 

Next week, hello monsieur Elway, hello Mile High Stdm, hello Denver
defense, hello 5 offsides penalties on Elway's cadence..


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From: tanj@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (tanj)
Subject:  Re: LIONS WOOF VIKINGS
Summary: Why is the stadium the Vikings play in called the metro? 
Originator: tanj@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Scuba_One
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:11:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.204903.16080@uwm.edu> melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill) writes:
>In article <1992Sep15.202822.13485@uwm.edu> tanj@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (tanj) writes:
>>
>>I just had to get on the bandwagon.  
>>I thought we had already established that the Vikings had won the Superbowl 
>>last week and the season was already over after the victory over the Packers...
>>and now look...WOOF!!!!!
>>
>>LIONS WOOF VIKINGS!!!!
>>
>>I just can't wait to see next week's game...Vikings vs. Buccs.
>>
>>I've seen both teams play in the first two games (the majority of both
>>games) in IMHO I think the Buccs WILL WOOF the hapless VIKINGS!
>>
>>The Vikings looked pathetic against the Packers and the Lions.
>>The Buccs looked good...(disclamer coming up)...even though they did
>>play the Cardinals and the Pack.
>>
>	Excuse me, but did you even look at the stats from the Lions-
>	Vikings game? Minnesota Did pretty well against both the Lions
>	Offense and Defense. Detroit Special teams won the game for them.
>	Hats off to the Lions special teams, they looked awesome, but the
>	Vikes did not look that pathetic.


	Wait a second....Let me get my paper...hmmmm....
	Lions win...Viking lose....
	That's all the stats I need....
>
>>Jeff
>>DISCLAMER:  I am not a fan of any particular NFL team.  Deep down in my
>>cold heart I am a Packer fan...but I know that the Pack just STINKS right
>>now.  
>
>	How convienent. I dont like any teams, so I can laugh at all the
>	losers. We shall see who wins the Bucs-Vikes game this weekend,
>	but no matter what happens, I will still bleed purple.
>
>	Mark Gresbach
>	GO VIKINGS!

	No....I don't laugh at all the losers...
	I didn't laugh when the Bears lost to the Saints....
	I didn't laugh when the Raiders lost to the Bengals...
	I didn't laugh when the Giants lost to the Cowboys...
	I didn't laugh when the 49ers lost to the Bills...

....need I say more...

	If you want to place a label on me and say that THIS TEAM is
my favorite, I guess right now it is the Falcons.  Yes...I probably
jumped on the bandwagon when they drafted D. Sanders, Glanville came
over from Houston, and got Andre Rison from Indianapolis, but I don't
bleed black....just red.

Jeff
----------------------------------------------------------------------
BTW:  Did anyone notice that the Brewers scored more on Sunday then
the Packers?


-- 
Jeffrey A Tangen   email: tanj@csd4.csd.uwm.edu  
sick of people,chicks,you,life,trying,talking,listening,thinking,moving,myself,
politics,power,government,school,music.... -taken from ST w/out permission
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From: GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold)
Subject: Re: Giants QB situation
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:31:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.142300.28579@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>,
ric@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ricardo.g.irvin) writes:

>In article <1992Sep3.205219.24808@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep3.192626.14089@Princeton.EDU>,
>>hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan) writes:

>>... And from past experience, I can't remember Hoss' having much
>>success against the 49ers, but Simms on the other hand has had
>>relatively good success throughout his career.
>>Anyways, what 49er pass rush? :->
                                                      Tony
                                                   GO 49ERS!!!
>Tony, Hoss is 2-0 against the 9ers, as a starter.
>In prior games with Simms in, the 9ers defense only had to get pressure
>'up the middle', but with Hoss, especially on obvious passing situations,
>their LB's couldn't cheat up on the line, because Hoss can get to the corners
>with ease.
>
>                        RIC. IRVIN
>                        AT&T BELL LABORATORIES.


Yes, Hoss is 2-0 against the Niners.  But both of those victories
were won by the awesome Giants defense if you ask me.  Correct me if
I am wrong, but didn't Hoss only throw 1 TD in the two meetings
between the teams?  Other then that, Barr did most of the damage.
Although Hoss did get them into field goal range.
Not taking away from Hoss's ability, but I am sure that the Niners
defense attributed to his inability to dice up the "D" throwing
touchdowns. Its going to be just like old times watching #11 out
there on Sunday. Got to say that this in one game I've been looking
forward to for some time!  IMO, a 49ers/Giants matchup is one of the
true classics of the past decade.

                                                   Tony
                                                GO 49ERS!!!
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From: martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens)
Subject: Re: success of colleges in producing pro players?
Organization: Ohio State U. Dept. of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:54:43 GMT

In article <12345@cis.rand.org> bentow@cis.rand.org (Stan Bentow) writes:

>I think that in general (ie. over the years), USC has produced more
>pro players than any other school although I don't have the figures
>at my finger tips.  This goes for recent years as well, although I
>think Washington is No. 1 now.

Sterling Sharpe and Robert Brooks at least.  Who else has South
Carolina put into the pros?  I wasn't aware they were such a
powerhouse.
-- 

-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)
From: rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: AFC vs. NFC
Date: 9 Sep 92 03:33:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

If you flip a coin, there's a 50-50 chance of getting either side.
But it's possible to get 10 heads in a row then 10 tails ...
The point is that just because you might get 8 of of 10 heads, doesn't 
mean it's more probable to get heads. It's still 50-50.

The point is the Super Bowl is too small a sample to be used as evidence.
Try something more realistic, like the AFC vs. NFC record over the 
past 10 years. 
Someone should dig up the results, I can't believe that the difference 
would be more than 60-40.

--
Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu)

A plan is made by someone who is sitting and thinking ...
while others are doing.
From: barnes@cowboys.esd.sgi.com (Jim Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Roger Staubach's last play
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:00:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <88381@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> I've heard "the last play that Roger Staubach" made referred to many
|> times
|> (both here on the net and once during the MNF game). Okay, so what
|> exactly
|> was this??  Why was it a big deal???  I wasn't into football (yeah, hard
|> to
|> believe that there are folks like this out there) back then.
|> 
|> satish nair
I think his last pass was to a lineman. Does anyone know who it was?
From: greco@sun.lclark.edu (Peter Greco)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Buffalo Bills are underdogs
Summary: Bills vs. Niners, Week two
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:20:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Sep11.182010.27140
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:

> I'm not a Bills fan, but as has been pointed out on this net before, Vegas
> odds are in no way intended to indicate who "they" think will win the game.
> Their intent is to generate the most betting action(and the most money
> for their casino) possible on a given game. 
> The spread is set with that in mind.

This is a valid (and good) point...though it seems to me that the
oddsmaker's intent is to give points to the team most likely to need them
which would, in theory, increase the amount of betting done on the game. 
Some analysis as to which team will win would be required if I am
correct.

The home field has been referred to (on the net today) as a 3 point advantage.
This is also a considerable point...but I'm not sure I agree that 3 points
is a standard.  And the original spread was 4 points.

In any event, as I said before, this is going to be a great game.  I can't
wait to see it.
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Greco <greco@lclark.edu>  "Communication is fragile.  Handle with care." 
Lewis & Clark College
Portland, OR
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Subject: Re: Browns/Colts
From: bggreenberg@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Brian Greenberg)
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:29:54 -0500
Distribution: usa
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <1992Sep8.012352.12646@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, jack1@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (john.fijolek) writes:
> In article <9209070202.AA14842@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, Stephen I Miller <similler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>> Just got back from seeing the debacle in Indianapolis a couple of hours ago and
>> I still can't believe that the Browns offensive line is this bad.  No (I MEAN 
> 
> Did Hilgenberg play? If so, did he make any difference?
> 
> jack

Hilgenberg did play and he was the only person who blocked during the game.  I'm
curious to know how many times Kosar was knocked down.
Brian G.
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From: greg@puck.webo.dg.com ()
Subject: Re: Buffalo television\
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 15:41:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: greg@puck.webo.dg.com
Organization: NSDD-X.500, Data General Corp.

In article <1992Sep8.202355.6232@tamsun.tamu.edu>, rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez) writes:
|> In article <Bu8sAy.9w@acsu.buffalo.edu>, evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations) writes:
|> 
|> |> 
|> |> Like someone else mentioned - there are some strange clauses in the TV
|> |> contracts with the NFL. If I'm correct, the rule is that the TV station
|> |> broadcasting the local home game cannot broadcast a double-header. Why?
|> |> I don't know.
|> |> 
|> |> It's got nothing to do with Buffalo. It applies to all NFL cities.
|> |> 
|> 
|> well, yes, blackout rules do apply to all cities, but they only apply to
|> that town's team.  I think what this guy means is that in Buffalo, ALL
|> you EVER get to see is Buffalo.  The other stations would rather show
|> "Heidi" than another game.
|> 
|> I assure you, it IS NOT like this in all nfl cities.  When I'm in Dallas,
|> there's usually two other Sunday games on besides the Cowboys (one before
|> or after on CBS, one on NBC).  Houston is the same way with the Oilers.
|> -- 
|> ----------------------------------------------------------
|> Robert E. L\'{o}pez       |       Internet:
|> Texas LoanSTAR Program    |       rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu
|> The Hosequarium South     |       rlopez@cs.tamu.edu
|> ----------------------------------------------------------
|>                  Texas A&M University 
|>                    boohoo.onyou.edu
|> ----------------------------------------------------------
I agree, Boston is the same way, they'll show the Pats game, and also
a game on CBS and then a game after the Pats game,
 Greg
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From: rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: Re: Jim Burt and the Bills
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:25:59 GMT

In article <BuDL5I.HC2@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v102q5hc@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JIM BAUMGARTNER) writes:
> In article <1685D1017C.RKSHUKLA@SUVM.SYR.EDU>, RKSHUKLA@SUVM.SYR.EDU (Ravi Shukla) writes...
>>Didn,t John Madden mention something about Jim Burt going to Buffalo for
>>talks. Any developments?
>> 
>>Ravi Shukla
> Burt was supposed to have been given a tryout with the Bills on tuesday
> but so far the media has not said a word on the results or if he even 
> actually tried out. 
>                                                      Jim Baumgartner
>                                                      University at Buffalo
=====
Hmmm given what he did to Montana a while back I wouldn't be surprised to 
see the bills just bring him in to sit on the bench and give the eye to 
bono and young...

skip

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From: bradletm@ntmtv.UUCP (Tim Bradley)
Subject: Re: Does no Instant Replay mean no Announcer Review?
Originator: bradletm@rastaban
Organization: Northern Telecom Incorporated
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:48:53 GMT

From article <1992Sep14.195213.13074@a.cs.okstate.edu>, by cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA):
> In article <1992Sep13.221746.18095@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>>
>>Young to John Taylor, 54 yd TD reception.  Taylor breaks
>>Jones tackle!! Awesome running!  Conversion good!
>  
> When I saw this touchdown the first thing I thought was, "that
> was no touchdown, he fumbled that ball across the endzone."
> 
> Now DON'T quote me out of context and say that I am calling for the
> return of instant replay, BUT the anouncers totally ignored this 
> possibility.  Neither one of them said a thing about it.  I would ahve
> been annoyed if they stopped the game and reviewed it in the replay
> official's box, but that does not mean I don't want to see the play
> again in slo-mo from another angle just to make sure.
> 
> It seems that the networks are avoiding questioning the officials
> now since the death of I-R.  I rewatched this play on video in slo-mo

Actually, it was like this before I.R..  A close call would take place
and you would never get to see it for yourself to make your own
decision.  I used to go crazy when that happened...then along came IR
and since the refs seem to know a close call quite better than the
announcers seem to, the call would be reviewed and the announcers would
get a clue that it might be worth looking at it again.

My point is that without IR, we are going to have to live with NFL
broadcasts that neglect a lot of visual replays.  The
directors/announcers of the show are not in touch with the wants and
needs of the fans.

> from the highlight film on the news, and I am still unconvinced that it
> was a touchdown.  The shadows are almost upright in the picture, and 
> the shadow of the ball is clearly unconnected from Taylors hand as it 
> crosses the white line.  Not that it made a whit of difference to the game,
> Niners still lose.  Nor is it really important whether it really was or 
> not.  But, I would appreciate it if the networks were not deciding whether
> to discuss a questionable call based on the possibility of offending the
> NFL owners who decided to do away with I-R.
> 
> my $.02
> 
> Bryan Cooper,  cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
> 
> ps. peace
From: kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kevin Day)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Okoye again??
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:37:09 GMT
Reply-To: kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kevin Day)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


  I know there have been many posts asking about Christian Okoye. I
know he didn't play this past week because he signed so late. Does anyone
know if he will be playing this weekend?

K. Scott Day   (kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil)
Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center
Code 1252
Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000

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*    "The point to remember is that what the government gives       
*     it must first take away."
*                                        -John S. Coleman           
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From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: Redskins played like slobs?
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:37:18 GMT

(Several comments about the Redskins' ticky-tacky play Monday night
deleted to save space.)

I thought that Wayne Sevier, the special teams coach, had an
interesting comment about the game after looking at the films....he
said at first glance he couldn't see anything different in the Skins'
play from last year, except the end result of each play was horrible.
After reviewing the films over and over, he finally saw the
difference....the team doesn't have the same amount of hustle and
desire.  Last year he said everyone was scrambling up after being
blocked or tackled looking for some other way to affect the play.
Monday night, some were some weren't.  

To me this kind of confirmed what Charles Mann said after the
Minnesota loss during preseason.....he said the intensity and
chemistry wasn't there.  Of course, he was hoping it would happen by
magic with the start of the regualr season.  Now we know it didn't. 

I'd have to disagree with the person that said the Redskins were old
and had traded their future for last year.  You could definitely say
this about the Allen years.  But if you look at the roster, separating
the starters from the reserves, the Skins' have one of the younger teams
they've had in some time.  It would be interesting to see how it
compared to other NFL teams, but compared to other Skins teams, they
are younger this year.  Yes, we have some aged veterans at some
positions, but over all the starters are younger and the reserves are
younger.

schalene
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From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Subject: Dallas 23 Washington 10
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 04:07:52 GMT


	Great first MNF game. Dallas has won 23-10. Washington looked
	pretty bad, not up to their Super bowl form, but I know the
	fans of both teams will have things to say about this game...

	Mark
	GO VIKINGS!
From: v077mdph@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Snoopy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bruce.
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:35:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <torresce.716052771@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>, torresce@craft.camp.
clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres) writes...
> 
>To those asking how can the Bills improve their offense - add new good people
>so that they can have variety attacks!  (i.e. Gardner, and others) and add
>plays like the throw directly to Thurman thomas to enhance the offense!  The
>"D" does need improving, but with Smith back, they are (or will be) back near
>the top (if no one else gets hurt)!
>I think it will be close, but I think they will beat the 49ers.
>	Mystic
>(alex.soto@analog.com)

	The "throw directly to Thurman Thomas" is known as a direct snap, and
the Bills have been doing that for three years.
	Carwell Gardner is, of course, the Bills' main hope for offensive
improvement.  Using him more will reduce the predictability of the Bills'
offense.

Snoopy ( who started this thread which has since permuted into something
         entirely different from what it was meant to be )
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Who's got the toughest schedule?
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:50:24 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <tokuno.716139052@milton> tokuno@milton.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno) writes:
>Any argument about who has the toughest schedule makes no sense if it
>based on the records from the previous year unless every team is exactly
>as good (or as bad) as it was that previous year.  A lot of the football


So what are we supposed to base it on, records from next year? I don't 
think even Gidi has those numbers yet (-:.


Russ Smith
*******************************************************************************
"I'm pacing myself sir"
                          Bill Murray in Stripes
********************************************************************************
From: tes0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWIN SCHMIDLIN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Steelers go 2-0!
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:41:54 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

For the first time since 1982, the Steelers have begun the season with a 2-0
record.  They dominated the game in both defense and offense, winning with a
final score of 27-10.  The Jets really bit the big one in this game.  Nagle
completed less than 1/3 of his passing attempts, and threw 2 (I think)
interceptions.  After injuring his hand late in the fourth quarter, Nagle was
replaced by O'Brien, who came in and threw another 2 interceptions.  Three
fumbles brought the total turnovers for the Jets to 7.

The Steelers also had trouble holding on to the ball, turning it over to the
Jets 5 times.  O'Donnell had an OK game, completing 50% of his attempts.

The man to see was Barry Foster, who rushed for 190+ yards and 2 touchdowns,
although he did fumble at least once.

I could go on, but I'll leave it for someone who has all of the stats.

STEELERS RULE!
-- 


Tom Schmidlin       DEEP THOUGHTS: By Jack Handey - If God dwells inside
TES0@LEHIGH.EDU         us, like some people say, I sure hope he likes
215-758-0875            enchiladas, cause that's what he's getting.
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From: wsl1@cec1.wustl.edu (Wing Suen Lee)
Subject: 9'ers first game
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 16:13:58 GMT

Can any 9'ers fans tell me about their first game?  They showed the Card

game in St.Louis.  Who cares about them?  How did the 9'ers secondary

look?  Is Young O.K.?  Did Amp Lee and Ricky Watter play well?

Thanks!!
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