HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: What adjectives do you think best describe romantic jealous
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 17:42:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.161138.26274@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> J. N. Shaumeyer writes:
> >>> Of course, I'm sure this will get me a copy of the "insensitive
> >>> cretin" tag.
> >>
> >Wrong.  I can only love a man who knows the
> >difference between 'envy' and 'jealousy'.
> 
> Indeed.  During the con, I envied the achievements of a new (in person)
> acquaintance, and envied a long-time friend who had to luxuriate in a
> thatch of thick white chest hair as a result.
> 
> Jealous?  No--I was happy the way someone is happy for a friend who
> wins the lottery, not that you don't muse simultaneously that it would
> have been nicer if your number had been drawn.  That's envy, not jealousy. :-)

  Hmm, that's interesting. I've always associated envy with something
distinctly negative. Envy, to me, suggests a secret lust for something
which someone else posseses or has accomplished and you despise them for
it. I know the feeling which you are talking about, but I'm not certain
that envy is the right word for it. I'm not even certain that there
really is a proper word for that concept.
  This reminds me of this german word I heard (and can't remember :-()
which translated to "the glee that a person takes in another's misfortune".
(what an evil word!) This seems related to the way I take the word envy
to mean -- it's what you would feel if the person you envy trips up.
  Jealousy on the other hand is word implying possesion (and insecurity
that the possesion will slip away). In order to feel jealousy you must
possess the object of jealousy (or at least think you do). Envy, the
antithesis, implies that you _don't_ possess the object.
-- 

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:01:38 GMT

In article <1bh810INN2sk@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM  
(Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer) writes:

} How dare you!  I have tried to have this as a reasonable discussion and am
} desperately trying to hold on to that.  You, however, have nothing better to  
do
} than to attack.  It's very interesting to see that in a relationship that has 
} deteriorated, the fault must be "THEM" not "US".  Brandeis, my alma mater,  
was
} created in 1948 because Jewish students and teachers could not get into good
} schools for discriminatory reasons.  Sounds like why many of the black  
colleges
} were created, I suspect.  Yes, there is prejudice in the Jewish community.   
Just
} as there is in the black community, and they gay/lesbian community, etc.  As  
for
} the reasons why more Jews go to school than blacks, there are many possible  
reasons
} and many of them DO NOT relate to racism in this country.  Try looking inward  
instead
} of outward once in a while.  It might prove educational.  Also, maybe  
anti-Semitic
} statements from prominent blacks such as Jesse Jackson fueled the fire in the
} deterioration of the relationship?  Scratch that maybe.

Howie, you took a left turn between "DO NOT relate to racism in this country"  
and "Try looking inward".  Would you care to relate the two without using that  
New Age look_at_my_karma bullshit?  Maybe Jesse said what he said because he  
saw the onslaught of Jewish assimilation coming.  I'm not going to let myself  
be run over just to be your friend ...

P.S. Maybe you should go on a tour of universities in this country and speak to  
your younger counterparts of the virtues of looking inside of a person rather  
than just accepting common superficial facades.  Maybe earlier Jews had the  
right idea (we supposedly ARE both descendants of Abraham), but it's quickly  
being lost by your "educated" youth.

Donald - Nigger Stompin' African!
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: OCA liability
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:29:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct13.212940.29287
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <Bw2J1o.GBA@world.std.com> entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one) writes:
>Is there any possibility that the OCA can be held accountable for the
>hate crimes resulting from there campaign in Oregon?  Is there any
>precident for this? For example has a black person ever collected
>damages from the KKK for hate crimes?

why yes, there is precedent. Just a year or two ago here in Portland
Mulegata Seraw's family won a judgement against Tom Metzger (racist
skinhead organizer) for lots of money.

Seraw was murdered by Nazi skins who had been in close contact with
Metzger. The involvment with Metzger was direct - the attorney for the
prosecution was able to demonstrate a direct connection between the
speeches and literature of Metzger and the violence.

(In my mind, this just skirts the edge of free speech versus civil
rights. I'm nervous about hate speech laws in general, but then again
I'm nervous about people advocating violence against specific
minorities, too. It's a difficult issue.)

Another relevant legislation is the McKennon/Dworkin pornography laws.
These do not exist in Oregon, though, and have nothing to do with the
OCA. (except that some of their descriptions of homosexuality are a
bit titillating :-)

Don't forget that the communications director of the OCA was just
found guilty (in a civil suit) of assaulting a lesbian. That's pretty
direct.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/           Fortune presents gifts not according to the book
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: By popular demand..
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:02:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.44245
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Oct16.161824.14592@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <44193@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>>Sigh, this might be the second year in a row and only the third
>>winter since 1978 that I don't sport a beard.
>
>Why?

Because I am also known as "the little furnace" in that I can overheat
at 40 degrees below zero (Farenheit or Celsius, you pick).  It's bad
enough that one winter when I climbed Mt. Ranier (14,410'), I only wore
a gortext shirt on my upper body while everyone else was bundled up in
everything that they owned.  The bright side is that I save a bunch
of money on winter clothing.

>OK, Mark, it might be fun to torment George Madison with such musings,
>but I draw the line when they start to affect me!

You, you, you ... intellectual! <stomp> <spin> <*whirl-and-glare*>

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.
From: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 8 Oct 1992 19:45:34 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: the-temple.east.sun.com

In article 19581@panix.com, ro@panix.com (r l reid) writes:
>I do have one question on men's suits.  Why are they all made of wool?
>Wool makes me itch and sneeze.  I can't be the only person this happens
>to.  It means I can ONLY wear the cheapest of suits - 100% Polyester.
>I like a touch of poly in the white shirts, but a whole suit made of
>it?  Why not silk?
>
>
>-- 
>		r l reid	ro@panix.com

Ro:

No, no.  Wool blend suits exist.  I too am allergic to wool (actually I am allergic
to virtually everything, but...)  get a suit that is 60/40 or 40/60.  I have several
Try SYMS, no reason to spend a lot of money.

Howard

PS I think you'd look great in a suit.

---
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From: bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps)
Subject: Blockbuster Video rumors
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:50:22 GMT

There is a rumor making the rounds that (in the form I heard it)
the owner of Blockbuster Video franchises in the pnw, John David
Griesbaum, had given large sums of money to the OCA.  As a result
a lot of people were angrily marching into local Blockbusters and
cutting up their cards.

While I admire such committment, there's just one problem:

The rumors are untrue.

They started with a column in the September edition of Alternative
Connection, a PDX gaypaper.  The columnist reportedly saw a letter
from BB acknowledging a contribution, but didn't dig deep enough.
The contribution came from an individual store manager.  The OCA
says they haven't received any contributions from BB or John David
Griesbaum.  BB is investigating and says that if an individual
manager did make a contribution on behalf of the local store, that
person will be immediately terminated.

Squash this one folks.  We've got enough real enemies without imagining
more.
-- 
Brent Capps           | 
bcapps@agora.rain.com | Know what to kiss, and when.
bcapps@atlastele.com  |
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What adjectives do you think best describe romantic jealousy?
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:51:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct13.185142.10331
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Oct13.165000.16158@HQ.Ileaf.COM> jontom@HQ.Ileaf.COM (J.T. Kittredge) writes:
>>> I also haven't ever been in a situation where
>>> I would feel very jealous.  Maybe I just need more experience.
>>Well, maybe something can be arranged... Tony *is* an attractive man... :-)
>Easier said than done, Dear Robert. Some of us have *tried*.

Batting your eyes flirtatiously is evidence of good breeding,
but it rarely leads to same.

:-)


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: More trivialization of red ribbons
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:04:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1992Oct15.000410.5731@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>I think you're quite likely right.  I was confused, Norman
>does Barbara Bush.

You betcha.  Show me _any_ K-Mart that would carry those faux pearls.

However, I'd be willing to bet cold, hard cash that Marilyn's hair
was done as a Blue-Light Special  :-)


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From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: John Gielgud / Secret Agent
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:09:41 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

Anent implied homoeroticism in Hitchcock film:

As you watch more and more of Hitchcock's film, you are going to run up
against this time and again. The Master was a first class homophobe,
among other things, of course, and his films are replete with example
after example, all of them negative. The ultimate example for many,
however, is STRANGERS ON A TRAIN, in which Robert Walker, the
amoralist, all but seduces Farley Granger.  A fascinating, great movie,
with some very dark currents.  Fortunately, we don't have to like Hitch
to like his films.

Anent John Gielgud's fimography:

Here's a partial list of films and TV films currently on video -- 

Appointment with Death, '88
Around the World in 80 Days, '56
Arthur, '81
Arthur 2, '88
Becket, '64
Brideshead Revisited, '81
Caligula, '80
The Canterville Ghost, '86
Chariots of Fire, '81
Chimes at Midnight, '67
The Elephant Man, '80
11 Harrowhouse, '74
The Formula, '80
Frankenstein, '84
Gandhi, '82
Getting It Right, '89
Ingrid: Portrait of a Star, 80
Inside the Third Reich, '82
Invitation to a Wedding, '83
James Joyce: A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, '77
Julius Caesar, '53 & '70
Les Miserables, '78
Lion of the Desert, '81
The Loved One, '65
Murder by Decree, '79
Murder on the Orient Express, '74
Plenty, '85
Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, 78
Priest of Love, '81
Providence, '76
QB VII, '74
Richard II, '79
Richard III, '55
Romance on the Orient Express, '89
Romeo and Juliet, '54 & '79
Saint Joan, '57
Scandalous, '84
Scarlet and the Black, '83
Sebastian, '68
The Secret Agent, '36
The Shoes of the Fisherman, '68
The Shooting Party, '85
Sphinx, '80
Strike It Rich, '90
Wagner, '85
Wagner: The Complete Epic, '85
War and Remembrance, Volumes I and II, '88 & '89
The Whistle Blower, '87
The Wicked Lady, '83


-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
From: jpt@telecaster.think.com (James P. Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: They've *ruined* the _New Yorker_
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:54:07
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com
In-reply-to: conrad@brahms.udel.edu's message of Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:30:06 GMT

In article <Bw6JM6.2sA@news.udel.edu> conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad) writes:


   In article <1992Oct15.022509.17598@boy.com> robert@boy.com (Robert A. Swirsky) writes:

   >Does anyone else think that the new _New Yorker_ format stinks?

   I've been having a lot of interior monologues about this question.
   Being a long-long-time New Yorker reader, I was all set to loathe any
   changes in format.

   In fact, I was dismayed to find that I rather like them.  (So far.)
   What, after all, is so sacred about not being able to tell from the T of
   C what is fiction vs. non, what the reviews are about, what the regular
   columns are dealing with this week, and so on?  The content of the
   articles so far seems not so different (the reviews are never as long as
   they were sometimes allowed to be a few years back, but that change has
   been creeping in for years now).  And it's easier to find out what's
   going on.  I guess there was a charm in impenetrability, but it's one
   I'm content to give up.

I also tend to like the changes.  AND, I come to the New Yorker from the
era when there was NO T of C.  

jim taylor

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: My Two Loves (was Vanessa Redgrave to Play a Lesbian!)
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 18:34:13 GMT

In article <1687DAC8E.TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu> TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu writes:
> Although, all this talk about the C.J.-what'sherface kiss on 
>L.A. Law being the "first lesbian kiss on prime time" is clearly a 
>myth. Mariette and psycho Lynn smooched a little in the flick.

I'm a frayed knot (work is hell).  They were centimeters
from locking lips when Mom burst in, as I recall.  Indignation 
resounded through soc.motss.  Believe it or not, I have a 
tape, so perhaps we could have a ritual soc.motss "My Two Loves"
burning the next time we're all together.  It really was 
rancid.
--
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: keeling@cs.utk.edu (Timothy Keeling)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay science fiction
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:13:18 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Keywords: Marion Zimmer Bradely 'The Ruins Of Isis'

Just finished 'The Ruins Of Isis' by Marion Zimmer Bradley. This is a story
about a society run totally by the females. Only females take 'life partners'.
Males are ignorant and are kept in line through the use of collars or
testicle implants for extreme diciplinary action.

I liked it.



-- 
Tim Keeling                              |
1020 Oak Ave #1                          | Insert standard disclaimer here..
Knoxville, TN. 37921-6332   615-523-6806 |
From: randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Allan Bloom died
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:03:38 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


In article <1992Oct9.202755.24046@midway.uchicago.edu>
elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Same reason nobody ever outed Malcolm Forbes, post-mortem.

	??? I thought *lots* of people outed Forbes, Ellen.

	My favorite take at the time was from my friend
	David, who said (of Forbes): "That explains all
	the Faberge eggs."

	-R


--
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that is so aggravating, but it ain't so; it's the sickening
grammar they use.  -- Mark Twain
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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Anti-Intellectuals with Machine Guns
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:33:26 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1992Oct16.184422.8884@athena.mit.edu>, charlie@isis.mit.edu
(Charlie Fulton) wrote:

> It pains me to see you slide down this slope.  Please
> renounce your Priestlyhood before it's too late!
> 
> You said you hated sideburns, didn't you?   DIDN'T YOU?

Ohhhhh woooeeeee....  It's true!  It's *true*!  I HATE sideburns -
and it's not *fair* that both Priestly and Perry *wear* the
beastly things!  But I can't *help* myself.  And the shame!  The
*shame* of BUYING EVERY TEEN MAGAZINE at KEPLER'S!  

There I was, *surrounded* by THE MOST INTELLECTUAL crowd of
yuppies from Hell God put forth on this green Earth - buying
FIVE magazines covered with half-uncovered teenage boys!

The *shame*!

But Marky Mark (I swear, I thought people were joking when they
said that name...) is *real*  (and really buff, but his face -
well, that's got to go).  And there were interviews with these
people, and pull-outs, and silly gossip (Jason is *not* having
an 'fling' with Shannon whats-her-face), and close-ups and 
I'm feeling phleklempt!

Oh, I'm feeling phleklempt...  Let me give you a tahwpic to 
disucss amongst yourselves while I recover...

Madonna may be an icon, but her breasts are *not* real.

Discuss...


Melmothra, ACC  

Matthew Melmon
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Allan Bloom died
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:01:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: scd.BvvBIs.BK
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5

Nelson Minar (nelson@reed.edu) wrote:
> In article <1992Oct9.040954.19694@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> >I took a philosophy class in high school, and it was pretty good. We
> >spent the entire first semester working through The Republic, and we
> >used Bloom's translation.
> 
> evidently the writing class I took didn't do me much good. UGH! Maybe
> my German classes just confused me..
---------
Ich versteh' nicht, was hier los ist!

Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.
                                           Santa Rosa, California
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Toys 'r' Us
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:03:01 GMT

In article <thaaang.718870318@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) 
writes:
>
>
>Well, what's unsafe? Do you considered unprotected oral sex up to but
>not including orgasm to be safe?

Yes, I do.  Some people don't.  I don't think there's much risk to it, but
there's some.  Why take the chance? 

>I'd *like* to...

That's the problem.  You want to do it, so you deny that there's any risk.

>And anyway, how many
>people have not an ounce of fear in their hearts when waiting for their
>test results?

What does that have to do with the previous sentence? 


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one)
Subject: OCA liability
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:27:22 GMT

Is there any possibility that the OCA can be held accountable for the
hate crimes resulting from there campaign in Oregon? 
Is there any precident for this? For example has a black person ever
collected damages from the KKK for hate crimes?
Would filing a suit allow someone to supena OCA members to testify about
links between the OCA and the terrorists groups carrying out these attacks?

BTW-
 Please give the Boston Globe a call at 1-800-622-6631 and ask them to
 start reporting on the events in Oregon.


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 19:15:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.000810.3872@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson
Minar) writes:

>I hate to say this to you Arne, but I'd never heard of Marlene
>Dietrich until you mentioned her on motss a few months ago.

Never admit to a degree of ignorance so grave.

>Maybe it's generational - I should do an informal poll to see who
>around this college knows who she is. I suspect the answer will not be
>very encouraging.

One person already doesn't know, so the answer is already discouraging.
Also, if they think they remember seeing her in "Blazing Saddles", give
partial credit.

-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dcunning@engr.UVic.CA (Daniel  Cunningham)
Subject: Re: Re: de-muffining
Reply-To: dcunning@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 18:54:50 GMT


>> Flamers need not respond to this article.

>But we're *all* flamers, even when we're *not* posting...

Too true, Melmothra.  I was just trying to do a little shit-disturbing, on top of de-muffining.

I gotta be me!

Daniel