HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ghod@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Matser Boot -- how to get rid of Coh boot record
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:53:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: drycas.1992Dec30.235355.2816
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <1992Dec28.081714.20154@netcom.com>, messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:
> 
> Well, just to add insult to injury, after I got rid of all the Coherent
> partitions, I noticed that suddenly my DOS started to lock up after running
> for about 5 minutes.  The only thing that has changed is the darned Master
> Boot remnant from Coherent.  I got so ticked off, I removed the whole DOS
> partition with 140 MB worth of files in it.  Guess what, Master Boot
> is still there.  I think I am going to scream.
> 
> t.

You're gonna scream some more before you finish reading this post. You don't
have to blow away the entire disk to get rid of the Coherent boot record.
If you have MS-DOS 5.0, you only have to type the following:

fdisk /mbr

You should see a second or two of disk activity and that's it. You don't even
have to reboot if you don't want to.

The /mbr is an undocumented flag added to fdisk in 5.0 which will rebuild your
Master Boot Record (note the capitalized letters) for you. This will expunge
the MWC boot record, 386bsd disk labels (I think: a friend of mine was having
trouble with his SCSI drive because of a stale 386bsd disklabel and this fixed
it), plus it's also great for killing boot-sector viruses. No, really.

I kinda doubt that the old boot record is the source of the problems you
seem to be having, but keep this infor around for future reference. Better
late than never I guess.

-Bill
From: ben@bailey.UUCP (Ben Bailey)
Subject: Re: Colorado Systems - Conversation
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Date: 25 Dec 92 15:46:45 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ben Bailey's Home..Tampa Fl.

rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
> 
> The problem that I have seen, with systems running DOS, is that the user
> backs up his system to a floppy controlled tape.  One day, perhaps months
> later, he decides to reload from the tape, and the tapedrive chokes and
> returns a "can't read tape error".  One guy I know, who does freelance
> CAD work, solves the problem by doing redundant backups to 2 tapes. Sometimes
> one tape will work and sometimes it is the other.
> 
> Floppy tapes are not reliable.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	merk!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP

Well, I've been using a CMS tape backup for 2 1/2 years with zero problems. 
I use it frequently, both to backup and to restore.

I also use it to backup my Coherent system, but via a kludge.  I backup my
files, then copy to a dos partition, then boot from dos, then move to
tape.  So far, this has worked well - I've been able to restore whole 
file systems without problems.  I have a script which does the backups
each day/week/month to the dos partition, then I periodically boot from
dos and move it all to tape.

I would like to have a real device driver that would allow me to directly
use my tape system.

I wish people would quite argueing about which was better - SCSI, etc.  Why
not recognize that device drivers are needed for all popular formats, and
provide them?  I feel MWC has dropped the ball in this regard, that they've 
left their serious users out on a limb, and aren't moving real fast to 
protect them.  

Ben
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley)
Subject: Where did our FAQ go?  Should we have a new FAQ admin?
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:50:43 GMT

I haven't seen the FAQ for a long time.  I have mailed it to a few people who
requested it over the last few months but have not seen a copy in this group.

Mike (mike@array.com), are you still with us?  Mike is/was the FAQ maintainer.

We should get a new FAQ out soon.  There never really was a Coherent 386 FAQ 
since Mike had his motherboard die before he could look at Coherent 4.0.  He 
said he was getting new motherboard but we haven't heard from him since 
September, I think.

Does someone want to maintain the FAQ?  If no one else volunteers, I volunteer
myself.

Harry
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: zjoc01@hou.amoco.com (Jack O. Coats)
Subject: Dual Boot
Reply-To: zjoc01@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 15:43:34 GMT

I have a 486-50 and have both DOS and Coherent loaded.  I had to turn off the automatic boot of either partition because there was not enough 'wait' time before the default boot partition started comming up.

Is there a way to put more of a delay in the dual boot so I could type in my 'prefered' partition?

Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: shendi@saruman.stgt.sub.org (Alexander Shendi)
Subject: C News Performance release (was: Re: Additional library directories)
Organization: private Coherent 4.0 site, Schwieberdingen, Germany
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:13:11 GMT

fredex@fcshome.UUCP (fred smith) writes:
> Rick Kelly (rmk@rmkhome.UUCP) wrote:
> : In article <921212259@fcshome.UUCP> fredex@fcshome.UUCP (fred smith) writes:
> : >get the "performance release" of cnews going on 4.0, I found the

[... stuff about library path problems deleted]

> : 
> : Did you get the Cnews performance release running?  Do you have diffs?
> 
> No. After wasting literally WEEKS on it (and I don't mean 2 or 3, either!)
> I got everything compiled, which required considerable work by hand, and
> tweaking of makefiles and shell scripts. Then I embarked on trying to
> get it all to pass the regression tests that are part of the package.
> I got all but two portions of it to pass. I misremember right now which

[... more stuff deleted]

I am currently running the C News performance release (and using it to
post this article). It took me some weeks to make it pass all 
the regression tests. I managed to get along with Coherent 4.0's
sed, awk, etc. ..., but had to make some ugly hacks to get them to do
their job. However I had to use byacc to compile 
/usr/src/cnews/libc/getdate.y (Coherent's yacc didn't work, I assume
it is broken.). I don't know if you can use bison. I have had
a brief look at the one from MWC's GNU-tools port, but the C
compiler doesn't seem to like the code bison generates.

BTW, I didn't have many problems with /bin/sh. The main culprit 
was Coherent's make.

The package has been running for approx. one month on my system. 
It runs quite reliabily, though I sometimes get a 
'egrep: misplaced ^ in pattern' message in the error logs. This has 
happend only twice and I have not been able to fix it.

I have not particularly cared about the ihave/sendme stuff. So that 
goes untested!.

If anyone is intrested I will try to make some diffs and 
upload them to mwcbbs. 
   
Bye,
Alex
   

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From: tpa10@snappy-tom.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Thomas P. Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: GCC etc
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:43:17 GMT

In article <BzIovC.I4K@well.sf.ca.us>, comeau@csanta.attmail.com (Greg Comeau) writes:
|> In article <d4G502.Y2dM.01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tpa10@snappy-tom.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Thomas P. Anderson) writes:
|> >|> The only code I cannot port today is stuff written in C++, since I don't
|> >|> have a C++ compiler.  Converting C++ to C is more work than I am up to!
|> >|> Especially since I only have a few programs written in C++ for the public
|> >|> domain. 
|> >
|> >How about it guys and gals?  Lets leave the COMPILER writing to the gang at
|> >MWC (it's what THEY do best!).
|> 
|> How so?

Back in the "good old days" (before ANSI), MWC sold what some considered to be 
the best C compiler for the IBM/MS DOS environment.  It was FAST, RELIABLE, and
CHEAP!!

|> 
|> >  Why saddle ourselves with a compiler that has
|> >to bow and scrape to the idol of portability?  The vendor knows his environment
|> >and how to optomize for it.  The people at MWC could, i'm sure, build an ANSI
|> >compliant compiler that would run rings around GCC.  In the meantime why don't
|> >we do something productive, like build a CFRONT that spits out code to use the
|> >existing cc on Coherent?
|> 
|> That's exactly what Comeau C++ 3.0 With Templates does (that is, we are
|> literally based upon AT&T USL cfront).

Great!  How much and where do I sign up??

|> 
|> >  Who knows, if we build it correctly, it may even  work with 3.x
|> 
|> We looked at that and although "nothing is impossible" it was tremendously
|> impractical.

Of course it would be impractical for a commercial enterprise, I only suggested
in response to someone asking what "we" (the user community) could work on as a
joint project.  There are those who are willing to build something like this
"just for the hell of it".  Of course, for serious work, it would be ideal to
have a commercially supported product with support etc.  

|> 
|> - Greg
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley)
Subject: possible MGR workaround
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:34:40 GMT

In MGR:

If you are having problems closing windows with the 'destroy' option of the
general window menu, try adding the line:
sleep(1);
after line 241 in destroy.c in the src/mgr directory.

This is just a temporary workaround.  There should be a better solution in the
future.

Harry
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: mch@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)
Subject: Re: Why no ANSI C compiler?
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 19:31:17 GMT

In article <9212309308@hphbbs.E.open.de> hph@hphbbs.E.open.de (H.P. Heidinger, Essen) writes:
>: 
>: 1. Coherent seems to be on a fast track into a fully
>: capable os suitable for biz. 
>
>  Fiddle-sticks!
>  I am a professional systems manager (VMS, UNIX, heterogenous
>  networks) for more than a decade now. A COH' system would never 
>  have a chance to get integrated into a system environment that I
>  have to manage, since COH' always proves to be unreliable.
>  I'd really wonder if other professionals would do.
>
>  Those MWC crew has no notion of 'reliability' and 'quality'. 
>  The quirks that I revealed in the V4-release are just ridiculous
>  and make it obvious (I can proove it!), that 'testing' is not on the
>  check-list at MWCs'. That's why I called COH' "banana software"
>  (gets ripe at customers site) recently.
>  Customers are a cheap testing suite - seemingly.
>
>  Anyway, COH' is a toy but not a work-base. At the moment one starts
>  to take it serious, COH' proves to be overstrained. 
I just bought Coherent a month ago. Apparently the debugger is 
non-functional in the release I bought. When I called Tech support
(still in December) they said that they'd have a new kernel available
in early February, with debugging support fixed. Of course, the OS isn't
of any use to me without a development environment that includes some sort
of debugger, so I installed Linux.

I am aware of the state of testing in many small companies (hint:
it often isn't extensive). At this point, I'm not going to send
it back, but I wouldn't say that I'm a satisfied customer either.

Mark
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: Barry.Schwartz@launchpad.unc.edu (Barry Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Coh/linux/gcc/etc
Reply-To: trashman@crud.mn.org
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 00:19:29 GMT

In article <9212235006@drktowr.chi.il.us> magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
>I'm not sure that's true.  You can still copyright the "diffs", and the
>binaries are definitely copyrightable.  For example, with DJGCC (the
>DOS version of GCC) the author of the port retains some rights for 
>the program, and can even charge royalties if you use his
>extender in a certain manner.

You certainly can and in fact must copyright modified versions of GNU
software, according to the copyleft.  However you cannot distribute
a modified form of the software, and that includes binaries, without
making the derived work also covered by the GNU license.  This means
that Mark Williams would have to make the sources freely available (they
could charge a nominal fee for sending you the copy) and could not stop
someone from redistributing the sources or binaries--though anyone
distributing binaries would also have to be able to deliver sources,
I think.

This is exactly the sort of situation the copyleft is meant to cover.
Read the GNU Manifesto.  This is what GNU is about.  You should not (says
GNU) be able to withhold your innovations from public scrutiny.

The GO32 extender is not covered by the GNU license because it is not
a derived work.  The extender is not the same thing as the compiler, 
which _is_ covered by the copyleft.

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From: fredex@fcshome.UUCP (fred smith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: tin118
Date: 2 Jan 93 07:42:17 GMT
Organization: What?!? Absolutely none!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Udo Munk (udo@umunk.GUN.de) wrote:
: Well, I'm running tin 1.1 PL8 now, that means it's ported to COHERENT 4.0.
: It's really better then PL7, as an example now it has a mini menu like
: elm. 

Yes, but how can you turn OFF the bleedin' mini-menu if you don't wanna
clutter up the screen with it?
From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Archie/ftpmail shell available
Date: 26 Dec 92 03:13:59 GMT
Organization: DarkTower Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Kestutis Sliupas (kestas@lith.UUCP) wrote:
: 	It's a 27K shar file. If there is enough interest, I
: will post it. I'm not sure what the Net-Mind thinks about 
: such postings, so I'll hold off for a week or so. Let me know
: by mail or post, please!

Please post it.

-Louis
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From: d10590@tanus.oz.au (Robert Chalmers)
Subject: wnews tin elm
Organization: Pro-Net Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 11:10:12 GMT

I see a lot of chat about newsreaders etc. I might remind net users that I
have put together a set of binaries, complete with documentation and
installable man pages for wnews, tin, and elm. They are set up to run on
Coherent V4.x, and the lot fits on one 1.44MB floppy. You can mount the floppy
as /F0 and then install each package using the Install.sh script for each
package. It is available as an archive, 645871K disk.ustr\ sorry, disk.ustar.Z
from my uucp site. see signature. You can also send me a postage paid return
packand a disk, and I will send you the package on disk ready to go. You only
need to set up a few things like alias names, and news directories, and bobs
your uncle! You dont need to be a c or unix wizard. 

Bob:
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Coh/linux/gcc/etc
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 14:11:21 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <9212235948@drktowr.chi.il.us> magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
>Greg Comeau (comeau@csanta.attmail.com) wrote:
>: In article <9212159277@drktowr.chi.il.us> magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
>: >Any commercial C++ compiler you
>: >would buy would easily be >$300
>: 
>: Nope.  Comeau C++ 3.0 With Templates is the most diversely ported
>: commercial C++ anywhere, and quite a number of our ports cost $250.
>
>Whatever.  The point was $250 >> $49 which is what MWC is charging for
>a binary distribution ready to install of GCC.

The other point is that for $250 you get real AT&T Cfront which is the
C++ 3.0 standard.  And for $49 you get GCC which is grotesquely huge,
and is not completely C++ compatible.

GCC has a lot of good points, and I would probably jump for it if Coherent
had demand paging, but for now I just consider it a memory hog.

-- 

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From: kkress@phent.UUCP (Kenneth R. Kress)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: mwcbbs contents: 32bit
Keywords: mwcbbs contents 32bit
Organization: That's Entertainment BBS
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 13:15:10 EST

file	date	size	description	notes	requirements
----	----	----	-----------	-----	------------
Contents.32bit	0	growing	data file of 32bit downloads for Coherent 4.x.x	none	none
f2c.zip	921217	534471	fortran to c conversion program/libraries	none	none
tcsh.zip	921214	836499	Berkley type C-shell for Coherent 4.0	2 binaries included, one for DDK owners, one for non DDK	none
byacc.tar.Z	921210	100319	Berkley type yacc	none	none
fcp.tar.Z	921210	12160	small utility for copying floppy diskettes	none	none
fmdemo.tar.Z	921210	182311	Desktop management program for C programmers.	Binary, demo version	none
tin117.tar.Z	921210	331635	Updated tin newsreader from version 1.16	none	none
icedemo.tar.Z	921030	123741	File/directory listing utility	includes new ansipc terminfo source.	none
ka9q.tar	921029	967168	serial network communications package	this is NOT a compressed archive!	none
pcl302.tar.Z	921029	62711	utility for listing fileor directory contents	none	none
tay104.tar.Z	921029	1489161	Taylor uucp package version 1.04. Now includes a cu utility	uses Taylor config files with HDB spool and logging	none
world.tar.Z	920914	307891	Curses based adventure game	none	none
uucp.zip	920903	856480	Coherent port of the Taylor uucp package	none	none
wanderer.tar.Z	920903	44280	curses based adventure game	none	none
warp.tar.Z	920903	226371	COHERENT port of warp9, a game placed on the original Star Trek series	none	none
zip	920819	290301	zip archiver	none	none
zoo.tar.Z	920819	299739	version 210 of the zoo archiver, supports better compression	none	none
elvis.tar.Z	920819	364705	version 1.6 of Elvis, the vi clone which ships with COH 4.0	none	none
nn.tar.Z	920819	571603	point & click screen oriented news package	none	none
ularn.tar.Z	920819	278194	A d&d type curses adventure	none	none
utree.tar.Z	920819	443193	file/directory access program (clone os dos based x-tree)	none	none
xcomm33.zip	920714	113571	version 3.3 of xcomm (xcmalt). Features scripted language and x modem prot.	none	none
ckermit.zip	920714	614348	version 1.79 of Columbia University's ckermit, includes Coherent 4.x suppt.	none	none
elm.zip	920714	672266	The popular *nix mailer and supporting filters	none	none
sc616.tar.Z	920714	335515	large, pd spreadsheet package	none	none
screen.tar.Z	920714	390664	screen 3.2: virtual console/terminals package	none	none
unzip.tar.Z	920714	137310	32bit unzip utility	a MUST for downloading 386 packages	none
empire.tar.Z	 40831	169496	Curses based text adventure game	none	none
===================================================================
Ken Kress, Glenside, PA * dsinc!phent!kkress 
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	they may be beaten, but they may start a winning game.
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From: ed@invid.mwc.com (Ed Bravo)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: tar with Coherent 4.0.1
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:27:31 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
> Hello!
>
> I've massive problems with tar extracting under Coh 4.0.1.
> I got cnews from raven and try to unpack it.
>
> tar xf cnews.tar
>
> Then tar starts and says something like:
>
> cnews.tar: this doesn't look like a tar archive

try using     v7tar -xvf cnews.tar

mwc tech support


>
> The same procedure with wnews and other files from raven. What can i do?
> Is it a mistake of mine or is tar buggy, is the tar-file corrupt?
>
> Please help...
>
> Bye, Thomas
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Thomas Neugebauer   tn@darktow.GUN.de   tn@messua.informatik.rwth-aachen.de
> Dark-Tower          Fidonet: Thomas Neugebauer, 2:2402/116
>
From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: PortFAQ
Date: 29 Dec 92 13:33:49 GMT
Organization: DarkTower Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

I posted a PortFAQ in lieu of a newsletter since there's already a list.
Did you guys see it?  My news feed keeps killing its hard drives
(he has an ancient 3B2 and the parts keep giving out).  I don't
know if it made it or got lost in the crash.

Could someone mail me or burp or something if they saw it otherwise
I'll repost it.

-Louis

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From: rst@maz.sma.ch (Ralph Steigrad)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: prepare_gift()
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:36:22 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

Who can help me!

I tried to install coherent 4.0.1 on a 486DX (Commodore) with 8MB
Memory.

I always get the message:

prepare_gift(): WARNING: not enough room for all arguments. Only
496 bytes submitted.

Then I get first a "i" in the right corner and the"c".n

Then coherent gives me the message:

Installation/update kit bootet incorrectly. Boot again ....
type begin...

rst@sma.ch
Xref: sparky comp.os.coherent:6344 alt.sources:2836