From: v.narinian@IC.AC.UK
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Subject: Peri stratou (apanthsh apo ton Giwrgo Savvopoulo)
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:47:10 GMT
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From: "GEORGIOS A. SAVOPULOS" <GSAVOPUL@ucs.indiana.edu>
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Subject: Re: Prosulitismos stnv Ellada (II)
To: v.narinian@ic.ac.uk
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  Agapnte Vartan, 3erw oti argnsa va apavtnsw alla n ka0usterisn ntav
avapofeuktn logw fortou ergasias. H apopsn mou e3akolou0ei va eivai n
idia:

#>Ws politns evos kratous exeis sugkekrimeva dikaiwmata kai upoxrewseis.
#>Mporeis va deis loipov to zntnma apo tn vomikn tou pleura. To kratos sou
#>prosferei dwreav morfwsn kai upnresies me avtalagma ta duo xrovia tns
#>stratiwtikns sou 0nteias kai tnv plnrwmn forwv (otav exeis eisodnma).
#>Me tnv upografn pou bazeis stnv tautotnta sou apla epikurwveis to
#>'sumbolaio'. Twra n arvnsn strateusns avamfibola apotelei parabiasn
#>twv orwv autou tou sumbolaiou. Fusika 0a uparxouv suvepeies.
#>To poies eivai autes oi suvepeies eivai allo 0ema. Autn tn
#>stigmn eivai fulakisn. Kalista 0a mporouse va ntav e3orismos.

#To ligotero pou mporw na pw gia to parapanw einai oti einai asteio.
#Otan ypografeis ena symvolaio diavazeis kai apodexesai tous orous tou
#symvolaiou. Oson afora thn taftotha, den yparxei KANENA symvolaio. Eisai
#sto eleos tou kratous kai den exeis KAMMIA dynatothta epiloghs. Kai gamw
#ta symvolaia!

  Ka0e kalopistn kritikn givetai dektn. Pavtws egw dev to 0ewrw kai toso
asteio. Kai e3ngw: opws upnrxav biblia priv efeure0ei to copywright etsi
upnrxav kai sumbolaia priv efeure0ei o sumbolaiografos... Grammatika -av
dev kavw la0os- exoume sumbolaio = suv + boulnsn, dnladn sumfwvia.
  Se palioteres epoxes -kai auto isws isxuei akomn gia perioxes sav tnv
Krntn- ta sumbolaia ntav proforika. Kaveis dev upegrafe tipota. Auto
teivei va ekleipsei epeidn o sugxrovos tropos epilusns diaforwv eivai ta
dikastnria, kai ekei xreiazesai graptes apodei3eis gia va dikaiw0eis.
  Tupika loipov, eva sumbolaio dev eivai avagkastika grapto. Sigoura
pavtws proupo0etei gvwsn twv orwv kai sumfwvia se autous. Twra, opws
mporeis va deis kai stnv avafora mou, egw milnsa gia 'sumbolaio' kai
oxi gia sumbolaio. To oti meta xrnsimopoinsa tov oro xwris eisagwgika
isws se mperdepse... H diafora (kata tnv apopsn mou) avamesa sta duo
eivai oti eva 'sumbolaio' dev proupo0etei sumfwnia me tous orous tou.
Avtidnmokratiko kai prwtogovo 0a peis, kai 0a exeis dikio...
  Mn 3exvas oti to idio to kratos, sav 0esmos, exei emfavistei priv
merikes xilietnrides. Etsi, eivai fusiko va apomevouv -para tov suvexn
eksugxrovismo tou- kai kapoia apomeivaria palaioterwv autarxikwv epoxwv.
H stratologisn eivai eva apo auta (isws to movo). O logos eivai oti dev
eivai eukoln n allagn tou stratologikou ka0estwtos. Mexri snmera, exouv
epivon0ei duo sustnmata stratologias (kai parallages tous):
* O e0vikos stratos
  To pleov prwtogovo sustnma stratologisns. E3avagkazei  tous polites
  va strateuovtai para tn 0elnsn tous (mazoxistes dev uparxouv polloi...)
    Yparxouv bebaia parallages opws px to sustnma tns Australias. Ekei,
  av dev kavw la0os, osoi briskovtai se strateusimn nlikia summetexouv
  se klnrwsn. To apotelesma eivai oti kapoioi apo olous pngaivouv sto
  strato kai oxi oloi...
* O mis0oforikos stratos
  Edw de vomizw oti xreiazovtai sxolia. Strateuovtai movo osoi 0elouv
  va pave sto strato. Profavws to sustnma auto eivai pio sugxrovo kai
  evarmovismevo me ta dedomeva tns epoxns.

  H Ellada snmera xrnsimopoiei sustnma tns prwtns katngorias, kai
malista stnv pleov prwtogovn morfn tou. 0a upev0imisw apla, oti se
palioteres epoxes (px Buzavtio) eixe sustnma tns deuterns katngorias.
Oi logoi eivai aploi. Mis0oforiko strato mporeis va exeis av uparxouv
arketa xrnmata kai megalos pln0usmos se sxesn me ta geitovika kratn.
Etsi to sustnma auto eivai kalo gia tis HPA (peripou 250 ekatomuria se
sxesn me 100 ekatomuria Kavodo-Me3ikavous) alla akatallnlo gia tnv
Ellada n akomn kai tn Saoudikn Arabia pou kolumpa sto petrelaio (mnpws
0ewreis oti mporousav movoi tous va avtimetwpisouv to Irak;)
Eimaste loipov upoxrewmevoi va exoume sustnma tns prwtns katngorias. To
oti xrnsimopoioume to pio prwtogovo apo auta, eivai vomizw fusiologiko.
To prwtogovo sustnma eivai to movo pou mporei (isws...) va e3asfalisei
tnv upar3n tou kratous kai tou laou evw ola ta alla de 0a leitourgisouv
(auto eivai proswpikn apopsn). Me tis uparxouses suv0nkes (10 ekatomuria
Ellnves apevavti se 70 ekatomuria Tourkous, Albavous, Boulgarous kai
Skopiavous) dev uparxei -vomizw- kapoia alln duvatotnta. Apla de
bgaivouv ta voumera...
   Ta parapavw isxuouv oso oi e3wterikes suv0nkes mevouv avaloiwtes.
Dev amfisbntw oti kapote 0a er0ei kairos pou oi stratoi 0a eivai
axrnstoi gia mia koivwvia. Auto pou lew, eivai oti n mera autn dev nr0e
akoma. Kai movo afeleis mporouv va 0ewrouv oti oi 'filoi kai geitoves'
mas exouv kales pro0eseis...
  Me autes tis suv0nkes, 0ewrw oti to sustnma stratologisns stnv
Ellada dev mporei va 'dnmokratikopoin0ei'. Av givouv allages se auto
(opws n ru0misn gia tous martures tou Iexwba pou prokalese kai tn
suzntnsn, autes 0a prepei va meletn0ouv polu kai va e3oudeterw0ouv
plnrws ta opoia arvntika snmeia prokupsouv apo autes). H amuva mias
xwras eivai polu sobaro 0ema gia va paizei kaveis mazu tns...


#Oso gia to kratos pou sou prosferei dwrean morfwsh kai yphresies me
#antallagma ta dyo sou xronia ths thitheias: Thn idia morfwsh kai yphresies
#prosferei kai stis gynaikes. Aftes den paraviazoun tous orous tou symvolaiou?
#Kai gamw tis isothtes re pousth.


  Gia tn strateusn twv guvaikwv dev 0a parw 0esn. Paradosiaka oi guvaikes
dev strateuovtav pote. H movn periptwsn strateusns tous pou mou erxetai sto
mualo eivai autn tns Ellnvistikns Spartns, opou evw o stratos elleipe se
ekstrateia, oi gunaikes tns polns strateutnkav gia va avtimetwpisouv tov
Purro. Fusika maxn de do0nke. O Purros, eite epeidn pisteue oti exei va
kavei me tov 'taktiko' strato tns Spartns eite epeidn gvwrize oti exei
apevavti tou guvaikes upoxwrnse pros to Argos, opou kai skotw0nke se
odomaxies (fnmologeitai oti skotw0nke apo keramidi pou tou peta3e kapoia
Argeia sto kefali...).
   Pavtws, epeidn to 0ema eivai evdiaferov, isws a3izei va meivei pros
suzntnsn stn lista.


#Vartan

  Filika,

  Giwrgos Sabbopoulos

 YG: To mnvuma eivai proswpiko. Av 0eleis va to prow0nseis kai va to
     sxoliaseis stn lista dev uparxei kaveva problhma ek merous mou.
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