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From: mvore@access.digex.com (Michael Vore)
Subject: Re: Glider Tow Pilots
Organization: Mid Atlantic Soaring Association, Fairfield Pa.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:53:49 GMT

cohler@vxcrna.cern.ch (Mike Cohler) writes:

>on the rope.  If a knot does happen it usually occurs within a few feet
>of the glider end of the rope.  I shall definitely be talking to our 

During the Region-IV(N) contests for the past 20 years I've noticed _many_
times that the knot is in the middle of the rope, once even about 1/3 of
the way from the tow-plane end.  I can't explain how that is done - the 
tow pilot must do some really tight loops!!.  But, yes, most of the knots
are in the tar end.
- mike

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Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: cohler@vxcrna.cern.ch (Mike Cohler)
Subject: Re: Silver 'C' Duration, Was "What to do on long flights?"
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 09:17:00 GMT

In article <gaynier.715824990@s1.elec.uq.oz.au>, gaynier@elec.uq.oz.au 
(Ron Gaynier) writes...
> 
>I had my own long flight yesterday. My 5 hour duration flight for my 
silver 'C'.
lines deleted....
>I flew into 8 knots up. So there I was caught with my pants down, harness 
undone, plastic
>bladder out of a wine box between my legs, trying to center the thermal.

Congratulations !   The 5 hours is a difficult task, and I still suffer
from bladder non-endurance, especially after a long time under a cold
dark cloudbase !  I beleive those absorbant nappies {diapers for USA types)
which were developed for the air force work ewonders.. they have a gel
that stays dry after absorbing the wet... work wonders.   
  By the way, have a look at typical flight times for those 300 and 500 km
FAI badge flights, and you will see that the 5 hours flight is a beginning
to cross country flying and not and end in itself !
  Happy flying.
Mike

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Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: ginsberg@t.Stanford.EDU (Matthew L. Ginsberg)
Subject: Re: Las Vegas->Chicago Race
Keywords: Lancair IV, homebuilts
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 16:32:23 GMT

In article <Bu2np8.Ezz.1@cs.cmu.edu> blh+@cs.cmu.edu (Bruce Horn) writes:
>
>I didn't see anybody post any results of the Las Vegas to Chicago air race,
>so here's what I've heard:
>
>The winner was Dave Morss in the Lancair IV at about 350 mph block-to-block.
>One amusing tidbit is that, during the race, he passed the Citation carrying
>the judges.

Amusing, but apparently false.  Morss took off ten minutes behind the
Citation, and landed eight minutes behind them.  The Citation stopped for
gas; Morss didn't (he finished the race with most -- but not all -- of
the gas still in his ferry tank).  Morss was the only competitor who
*didn't* have to stop for fuel.

[Information from a member of Morss's Reno flight crew; Morss wasn't
around the airport yesterday.]

						Matt Ginsberg
From: makinc@hhcs.gov.au (Carl Makin)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: High or low tow normal?
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:46:34 +1000
Organization: Aust. Dept. Health, Housing and Community Services

In article <25AUG199210445493@vxcrna.cern.ch>, cohler@vxcrna.cern.ch (Mike Cohler) writes:

> Has anyone though about what might happen if you release from tow in the
> low tow position, if the aircraft has a bellyhook only ?  The possibilities
> for cable snagging are horrendous !  Even in the standard release hook we

If you only have a bellyhook then don't release from low tow! 
All the gliders at the local club have nose hooks.  I've never
used the bellyhook.

Carl.
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: butlet@aix.rpi.edu (Timothy James Butler)
Subject: Re: Trucks & Transmissions for Towing Horses
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:51:56 GMT



   Just a minor point, but someone previously mentioned that
"in some states" you need a commercial license to drive a vehicle
with greater than 26000 lb gross weight. In fact every state had to
meet this minimum requirement (and others of course). This was the
result of the federal govt. deciding to standardize truck licensing
requirements. 
     There is no reason of course that your state can't have more
restrictive laws, but it can't have less restrictive laws. (Under the
usual penalty of loss of highways funds I would guess).
  If you have any questions, just ask your states DMV or equivalent.
However, do your best to get an accurate answer (be careful who you ask).
In Massachusetts, the DMV was slow to learn the rules, and many clerks
just do not know the right answer. (Including the registry police)
   I had to call the one CDL (commercial drivers license ) office in 
Boston to get any accurate information. 


    The other point I caught in passing was someone's claim that
a light truck can only tow over a ton if it has an automatic
transmission. I was curious about the source if this info. (more likely
mis-info). I won't make any counter claims without documentation, but
it sounds like another voodoo/wive's tail recommendation.
    When I went looking for a truck to replace my F350 Diesel crew cab,
the GMC dealer told me their towing capability went up to 11k lbs, but 
no mention was made of transmissions. (I ended up with an International
S1956 crew cab with a DT466 turbodiesel since my featherlight weighs
20k lbs max gross.)

tim butler   butlet@rpi.edu



Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jpenovic@encore.com (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Some sad stuff
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:28:38 GMT

Those of you who read my previous post on the horses injured
by Hurrican Andrew in South Florida are aware of the problem.
(I'm assuming it got out to the net, as I'm not always sure
what's getting out and what's not.)

An update:

I went down to Tropical Park (where the injured horses are
being treated) to volunteer this past weekend.  I worked in
the ICU barn.  These horses were profoundly injured.  Wounds
so large (10" in diameter or more) that there was no way to
stitch any of them; all over their bodies.  Also, large gaping deep 
holes into the horses legs, down in the muscle.  We hydrated
the wounds, flushed the exposed areas with various solutions, and then 
sprayed with Furaz.  Several horses had drains in them.  One horse was 
foaming at the mouth.  He seemed in shock.  I heard a vet saying
something about him being toxic inside.  (He had falling in a
canal and couldn't get out for quite awhile.  Guess he swallowed a 
lot of foul water.)

Baby horses who's mothers were killed by the storm.  The
babies were injured and some seemed quite stressed.

I heard a story about a man who had jumped into a canal that
was full of dead horses looking for his horse.  Fortunately,
his horse had been taken to the rescue barn.

Some of these horses are unclaimed. Their owners probably know
that they would be arrested for animal abuse.  Some of these
poor horses were so incredibly neglected and malnourished when
they were brought in.  They've probably gotten more care and
feed at the rescue barn than they've gotten in the past few years.
It was disgusting to see how people can treat an animal.

They were all so sweet.  I'd stand and talk to them and
scratch their spot (you know that spot on each horses head
that puts him/her in ecstasy mode) as the vets and technicians
worked on them.

Speaking of the vets, they were wonderful.  Working on horse
after horse.  There was even a team down from the University
of Florida.  There were also a couple of horse relief
volunteers who had come down from Illinois (they belong to a
relief group up there).

Sorry to go on for so long, but it was such an emotional thing.

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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rohr@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Penny Rohr)
Subject: test
Originator: rohr@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Computing Services Division
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:55:03 GMT


hi
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 1992 13:34:18 -0400 
From: Jean Andrews <ja23+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: We gave her back

Thanks to all of you who posted when I had questions about our
untrained quarter horse.  Even though my daughter has been riding
and has taken lessons for 6 years, she's 12, Ellie (the horse)
was just too much for her.  Thanks to all your posts, she accepted
this fact and we are now looking for a trained 5+ quarter horse.
Missi, my daughter, is into gaming and even took two 5th places
at her first horse show 2 months ago.  Ellie is now being trained
by a pro.
Thanks again everyone.  Wish us luck in our search.
Jean 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Good farriers, bad farriers.....
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 12 Sep 92 14:10:50 EST
Organization: Wright State University 


Michelle, and everyone who has had trouble with a farrier.....

Tell everyone you know.  Tell all the other horse people in your area that
you can get in contact with.  Things like that *I* want to know about, I'd
much prefer learning from someone else's trouble with a farrier than I would
finding out the hard way myself.  

I feel EXTREMELY lucky to have an excellent farrier.  Amy got the biggest
giggle out of the detailed instructions I gave her before Gary showed up to
trim her horse the first time.  And when my son Mike came out just before
the farrier showed up and made a smart remark I made him go back in the house!

When you have a good (REALLY good) farrier, you treat him like a prince!

Sue
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: blythedr@infonode.ingr.com (Dennis Blythe)
Subject: Can You Believe...
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:12:12 GMT


  A few weeks ago my ferrier came out to put shoes on my mare. My
horse acts terrible when it comes to shoeing  She has only been through 
this a few times so I am sure it is still a frightening experience 
for her. He tied her to a post that was rotting, and of coarse my 
mare did act up and pulled the post out of the ground. After the 
ferrier left I had noticed a day later that there was a 
deep hole left in the ground where the post had been. He did not bother 
to mention to me that this hole was there, and I had not noticed it 
there for at least a day. I can't imagine what would have happened if 
my horse would have stepped in it.

    Figuring that it was an honest mistake I just brushed it off. Well 
this morning it was time to be reshoed and I was not able to be there 
to watch them do it  ( Needed to be in the house w/ baby.) I got out my 
binoculars only to see him injecting my horse with a tranquilizer. I 
understand that at times it is nesesary to do this to prevent the horse 
and ferrier from geting hurt when she acts up. I was hoping that when the 
job was done that he would mention to me that he needed to do this. But 
he never did. So finally I asked him if he ever needed to tranquilize a 
horse before and he said "yes" I then asked him for the name of the drug
that he used on her for fear that she might have a reaction to it.

   What has me so fumed is that he would have not of mentioned it to me 
if I had not wittnesed it. And if my horse were to have a bad reaction 
to it I would not have been able to identify why. Well this is it. I am 
now looking for a good ferrier, though what upsets me is that he has 
had a lot of experience in shoeing, though it is his ethics that are 
in question to me. Good ferriers are hard to find around here.


  Any suggestions or comments?

                                    Pam
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Subject: Re: News group etiquette
Organization: Intel i960(tm) Architecture
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:59:07 GMT


For-sale adds by indivduals selling their personal property are generally OK.
For-sale adds by businesses that regularly sell the product are frowned on,
since the people and companies that fund USENET aren't doing it to provide
free advertising space to other businesses. And USENET readers don't
want to have to wade through a whole bunch of ads, generally.

So if you are selling your personal horse, or a friend is selling thiers,
go ahead and post. However if you are a horse dealer or any person who
regularly buys and sells horses, please refrain from posting ads.
--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
From: Hebe.B.Quinton@dartmouth.edu (Hebe B. Quinton)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: trucks?
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:48:12 GMT
 <Sep11.174831.17338@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>  
 <1992Sep15.170807.7317@piston.detroit.ingr.com>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Has anyone towed a two horse trailer with one of those humongoid old
station wagons?  like a Country Squire?  That was recommended to me as
a cheaper solution than a truck.

P.S.  How much would you expect to spend for a two horse trailer in
good shape?  How are the super-lite ones, like Brenterup?

Hebe, and too many animals to name.
&
David "Saddled with Pets"
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: farriers
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 00:22:19 GMT


In article <1992Sep9.031212.3411@infonode.ingr.com> blythedr@infonode.ingr.com (Dennis Blythe) writes:
>
>   What has me so fumed is that he would have not of mentioned it to me 
>if I had not wittnesed it. And if my horse were to have a bad reaction 
>to it I would not have been able to identify why. Well this is it. I am 
>now looking for a good ferrier, though what upsets me is that he has 
>had a lot of experience in shoeing, though it is his ethics that are 
>in question to me. Good ferriers are hard to find around here.
>
>
>  Any suggestions or comments?
>

The very first thing I did would be to get rid of that farrier. You
might even be better off looking for a good, experienced person who
does his own shoeing and might agree to do yours. Is there any way you
can arrange things so that you CAN be with the horse whe s/he is shod?
It could be a long process to get your horse to stand still for shoeing
if it's previously been frightened or developed bad habits. If you have
the time you could try re-educating it by a VERY GRADUAL process of
handling it's legs in a non threatening and pleasant atmosphere. I had
a similar problem with a horse that i was working with but eventually
managed to get her to stand and vitually ignore the farrier. Obviously,
this also requires the assistance of a GOOD and patient farrier.

NOBODY has the right to inject your horse with ANYTHING without your
permission. If the farrier couldn't handle the situation, he should have
left it and told you.

Having said all that, I'd be extremely reluctant to leave my horse with
a farrier without me being there unless I knew him VERY well and I knew
trhat my horse was unlikely to give trouble.



-- 

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|  Graham Jenkins          |  graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au           |
From: scully@rockyj.rockefeller.edu (Anne-Marie Scully)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: equestrian
Organization: Rockefeller University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 10:45:49 EDT
From: cicarell@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Collen Cicarell)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: More bad news...
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:41:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.

Hi Megan,

I am an enthusiastic reader of the posts in here, and always like to hear about
how you and Hank have done.  I am very sorry to hear about Hank's cancer, my
thoughts will be with you.  Hang in there.

Colleen
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: helen@sco.COM (Helen Dilworth)
Subject: Re: Horse Cookies
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:00:12 GMT


In article <2AA523ED.15094@ics.uci.edu> pazzani@ics.uci.edu (Michael Pazzani) writes:
>In the feed store today, we bought a 50 pound bag of 4-way grain and
>a 12 ounce bag of "Horse Cookies".  I couldn't help but notice that
>the grain and the cookies had nearly the same ingredients, but the
>12 ounce bag was more expensive than the 50 pound bag.
>
>Does anyone have a recipe for making these sort of horse treats?

I don't have a recipe, but I discovered something the other day that works
like the cookies and is priced like the grain (and doesn't spoil like carrots
do in the summer).  They are pellets about the size of your thumb, just like the
"Sweet Lumps" that you can buy in tack stores for $3/lb. only darker.
Manna Pro sells them labelled simply "Horse Feed" and they
come in 50# sacks for about $12/sack.  The size is great - small enough to
fit several in your pocket and large enough that a single one makes a
decent treat.  The ingredients are all the normal stuff - grain, bran, molasses,
chopped hay, etc.  Every horse I've offered them to gobbles them up.  

Helen Dilworth
Trilogy Farm
Swedish Warmbloods
From: haber@bashan.cs.wisc.edu (Eben Merriam Haber)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: trucks?
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:37:50 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

meridiem@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jill Engel) writes:

>Second, don't they do it differently in Europe, i.e. use sedan cars like
>Volvos and Mercedes?  I seem to remember a brief discussion on this,
>about their lighter trailers and such.  I am curious.  Any of our friends
>across the pond have an opinion?  

>							     Jill

Well, each time this topic comes up, I guess I have to put in my own two
cents:

I pull a lightweight Brenderup Trailer with a Volvo 240 wagon.  I only 
pull one horse, but the Volvo, with its normal, 2.3l 4-cylinder engine does
very well in all the trailering I do (annual trips from Wisconsin to the east
coast, and occasional jaunts to local shows).

The Brenderup is differently balanced, so has a maximum tongue weight of
~160lbs.  It is also more aerodynamic, so it is more stable and less of a
drag at highway speeds.  It has mechanical surge brakes, so the Volvo has
no trouble stopping the trailer, even when morons pull in front of me all
of a sudden.  I've found it to be stable on the highway as fast as I've
gone (65mph in the nice flat stretches of Ohio and Indianna).

For me, I don't do lots of trailering, and I don't go up and down mountains
regularly, so this arrangement is ideal (a good balance between a commuter
car and a towing vehicle).

So a large vehicle is not always necessary!

Eben M Haber & Royal Banner
From: zjkc08@hou.amoco.com (Jane Carlin WWNV x2407 9.105)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: News group etiquette
Keywords: Sale postings
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:09:04 GMT
Reply-To: zjkc08@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco

I am new to this newsgroup and I was wondering if I committed a breech of etiquette by
posting two For Sale ads?  I only thought of that after I did it, so if I offended anybody, please forgive.  Let me know if I did a bad thing.  This would be the one and only time I would do it anyway, I'm pretty sure.  I really enjoy this newsgroup.  I and my horsey friends have gotten a lot out of the articles and dialogue.
Thanks,
Jane
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jpenovic@encore.com (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Thanks for responses (was Re: Farriers and a question)
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:43:06 GMT

> P.S. Can someone email me and tell me if my posts about the injured 
> horses in South Florida have made it out to the net world?  I haven't
> seen any replies, and I'm not always sure stuff from here is
> getting out.  Thanks.

  Several people sent me email saying that my posts have
  gotten out there.  Thanks to you all for replying.

jan
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Can You Believe...
From: jlkershner@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Kersh!)
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:21:41 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <18l6ohINNa2r@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com>, regard@sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
> 
> I say, "Not so fast".  Frankly, I think Pam is quite lucky to find a 
> farrier who would attend to her horse without her presence at the shoing,
> and think he has therefore gone out of his way to deal with a bad situation.
> Top that off with a horse that's hard to handle for any farrier, and I
> think you have a big problem in the making -- but it ain't the farrier's
> problem, it's Pam's.
> 

i must disagree.  i had a farrier here at school who had a very difficult time 
with my new horse.  you see rhythm had never had shoes on and when i got him he 
had a quarter crack that demanded shoes.  when time came for me to return to 
columbus for the summer, the farrier suggested i have a tranq on hand for the 
next time he was reset (in columbus.)  well i followed his advice, but when it 
came time for him to be done this new farrier said there is no need to tranq 
him.  i had never before seen a horse stand so still... he didn't even lean on 
the farrier!  this from a horse who had gone straight up 6 weeks prior?!?!

my point is that it can have a lot to do with the farrier itself.  add to that 
the fact the he was tranqing pam's horse without her knowing would encourage me 
to move on down the road and find a more patient farrier.

--jen & rhythm

p.s.  about him tying pam's horse to that post, i have a rather sad story about 
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