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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:31:47 GMT
From:         "Ian (Travolta) Wylie C2/Q2" <iwylie@MCS.DUNDEE.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Ten Commandments.

Hi Gareth,

You asked me where in the Bible it commands to use 2 or 3 scriptures, when
talking about doctrine.

The Bible throughout states that there must be 2/3 witness on any subject.

Some Scriptures....

2 Cor. 13(1)  "...In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be
                established."

Matt. 18(16)   "But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two
                more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word
                may be established."

John 8(17+18)   "It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men
                 is true.  I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father
                 that sent me beareth witness of me."

Heb. 10(28)      "He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or
                  three witnesses."

John 1(6-8)      "There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same
                 came for a WITNESS ,(my emphasis here), of the Light, that all
                 men through him might believe.  He was not that Light, but was
                 sent to bear WITNESS of that Light."

John 5(31-33)    "If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.  There is
                 another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness
                 which He witnesseth of me is true.  Ye sent unto John, and he
                 bare witness unto the truth."

There are many more such Scriptures.

These Scriptures are not only talking about witnessing any physical happening
but also how Christ was confirmed by John the Baptist and more importantly God
the Fether.

How much more we, when quoting scripture need to quote 2 or 3 scriptures, so
that we know that our witness is a true witness and not a false one.

Thats how the Jehovahs witness' and other sects, go so astray, because they make
up whole doctrines and teaching out of one scripture.

Hope this answers your question.

In Christ,

Ian.




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"To live is to change. To be perfect is to have changed often."
                               -John Henry Newman

Name: Ian R. Wylie                 Email:  iwylie@uk.ac.dund.mcs
The University of Dundee
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From:         jim coen <coen@ACC.WUACC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Mormon/LDS

>What in the .... is the 'baptism of the dead' ?????????????????????
>
>Shalom,
>Memo.
>

I believe they base that belief (erroneously) upon I Corinthians 15:29.


God Bless

Jim Coen
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From:         Don Roberts <DSROBERTS@BIIVAX.DP.BECKMAN.COM>
Subject:      Re: Tithing

>However, there is no reason that Christians cannot give their money
>directly to people who need it, rather than putting it all under the
>church's discretion.  In fact, this would provide far fewer
>opportunities for corruption than if it were all thrown into one big
>fund.

I've always been troubled by this attitude, which I've seen so often.  If you
can't trust your church with your funds, why are you attending that church?

   Don Roberts                   Internet:  dsroberts@beckman.com
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From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: HEAR THE CALL

Dear Theresa,

I'm so glad to hear that you are "pumped up" and doing okay.  Thank you for
the excerpt of Paul's song.  I am anxious to see the whole song.  We will
continue to pray for the Addison family.  There is nothing too hard for
God.  Be encouraged and be a light to Paul's family at this time.

Dear Heavenly Father,
We thank and praise You for Your mercy and Your grace.  We ask that You con-
to engulf this family with Your love, and that You give them Your joy, strength
and peace.  We ask that You fully restore them and that they will be able to
minister to others.  We ask You Father to use Theresa to minister and console
the family and that Your anointing flow through her to demonstrate comfort,
love, and compassion to them.  In Jesus precious Name we pray.  Amen and Amen.

Your sister in Christ,

Shelby--
P.S.  Well keep on praising the Lord. (Smile)! - I love you!!!!
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:02:06 EST
From:         Dan Harling <harling@ROADRUNNER.PICTEL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Mormon/LDS

> Date: 26 Jan 1993 17:31:52 -0700 (MST)
> From: Usenet/Netnews Moderator <FOCMCB@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>
> Subject: Re: Mormon/LDS
> To: Multiple recipients of list CHRISTIA <CHRISTIA@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>
>
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> >From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
> >Subject: Re: Mormon/LDS
> >Organization: The Ohio State University
> >Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:58:56 GMT
>
> American Indians are descendents of the lost tribe of Israel.
> That's what they say.

...not to mention the accounts of their iron-age civilization, of which
we have yet to find any archaeological evidence...

This does not prove it false, by any means, but each of these
discrepancies bring into question the very foundations of Mormonism.
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Subject:      Re: Pat Robertson's lies

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>From: scott@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Scott Shalkowski)
>Subject: Re: Pat Robertson's lies
>Organization: The University of Western Australia
>Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:59:14 +0800

"jones, mark" (JMJONES@UGA.BITNET) wrote:
: Re: J Reynolds "Pat Robertson's Lies"
: Mighty strong words, my friend; mighty strong:
:
: Normally I would ignore such drivel and raving. However, I too, draw the
: line, when it comes to wholesale condemnation of a man of God. Pat
Robertson
: has been doing God's business for more years than I have been alive. INMHO
: he is one of God's true generals and a voice crying in OUR wilderness of
: Godless secular humanism. But my opinion is my opinion. You have chosen
: some very strong language to describe what it seems at the worst was
hyperbole
: or over-enthusiasm on Pat's part. You have a right to your opinion and I
dont
: care whether you agree with Pat or not. But you have absolutely no business
: in the world venting this kind of anger and rage in a forum like Christia.
: It seems to me that in this exercise you have demonstrated the behavior
which
: you have attributed to Pat. Your post is offensive in the *extreme*. Pat
: Robertson certainly does not need me to defend him, but I refuse to stand
: by and allow someone to accuse him of "blatantly lying in the name of
Christ".
: I urge your to be more careful in your words and assessment of a man whom
: I dare say you have never met, regarding a quote you heard second-hand on
: a computer network, although I'm sure my friend Maks quoted him correctly.
:
: I apologize to readers of Christia for a "public rebuke" but a public
assault
: on a man of God needs to be met in public. I will handle any other
: correspondence by private e-mail...........Love in Christ ......Mark
:
: BTW-Maks, if your listening: keep the 700 club and Ankerberg stuff coming:
:     Thanks!


Mark,

So you are offended by Jane's claim that Pat lied.  But, you do nothing
to show that Pat actually got it right.  If Pat used hyperbole, then it
was hyperbole that easily misled and I don't see how that is better
than lying.  If your are sure that Maks quoted correctly, you haven't shown
that Jane deserved a rebuke at all.


Scott                                       scott@arts.uwa.edu.au
From: FACN34B@SAUPM00.BITNET (zane of dhahran)
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Subject: centering prayer
Date: 23 Jan 93 17:07:15 GMT
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Carol,

Thanks for your reply to my question.  I tried to e-mail you back, but the
message bounced so this is it.
I think the American theologian Donald Bloesch(?) called your case Evangelical
catholic< but I like your term <Christian> better.

The terminology of "We just..." is cute and very descriptive.

I like the idea of a High Church.  As long as we don't have to come down.

You've met Orthodox charismatics? Really?  I once heard in the U.S. there was
an Orthodox magazine with a charismatic perspective, but it transcended or some
thing - at any rate as far  as I know it is no longer with us.

Don't you get a little dizzy swinging from C of E to Q to O to B and C and back
again?  You probably need a bit of silence and rest just to keep from spinning
off the christian carousel.

Thanks again for your help.  Peace, zane.
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From:         Anthony Glen Jeffries <jeffries@IASTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Geeling old (was Re: Segregated churches)
              <01GTXNGBI7BM99DJVG@asu.edu>

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> >Newsgroups: bit.listserv.christia
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> >Subject: Re: Feeling old (was Re: Segregated churches)
> >Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO
> >Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:55:18 GMT
>
> "jones, mark" <JMJONES@UGA.BITNET> writes:
> >I was feeling weird when I realized I was out of college and working
> >when Challenger blew up, but my goodess, I was just a pup when JFK
> >was shot.
>
> I was in high school when the Challenger blew up.  We were watching the
> lauch of a space shuttle as part of a class.  It happened to be
> January 28, 1986.
>
> Who's JFK?

Okay, let's stroll down memory lane (?) here...

I was in SEVENTH GRADE when Challenger exploded.  I can still remember what
"NASA" stood for after that..

Anthony Glen Jeffries
Journalism and Mass Communication student, Iowa State University
This does not necessarily represent the opinions of Iowa State University.
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From:         Russ Neumeier <russn@SSEC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Do other people see this....?
              93 10:28 am

> I just can't resist this.  I, too, am getting bizarre offerrings about
> physics, vampires, and feminism.
>
> Didn't I just say it the other day? -- The WORLD is too much with us!
>
> Love INC,
>
> --Kerry
>

Well, it looks like the problem has been solved -- no more postings on
vampires....of course vampires sleep during the day, right?  Who knows
WHAT I'll find in my mailbox in the morning.... :-)

Russ
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From:         Dan Harling <harling@ROADRUNNER.PICTEL.COM>
Subject:      Re: March for Life

> Date: 27 Jan 1993 12:04:07 -0500
> From: Dr Nancy's Sweetie <kilroy@GBORO.ROWAN.EDU>
> Subject: Re: March for Life
> To: Multiple recipients of list CHRISTIA <CHRISTIA@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>
>
> Adm Yamamoto's comment about sleeping giants was made in a particular context:
> starting a war.  What he knew (that a lot of people in Japan had apparently
> forgotten) is that when you start a war, it has to end somehow.  He knew that
> it was not going to end with the surrender of the United States, and that it
> would probably not be possible to negotiate a peace while Japan still had
> significant military capability.  The remaining option was the surrender of
> Japan.  That's how shooting wars go: eventually one side gives up, or
> everybody on one side (or maybe both) dies.

Or, both sides reach the limits of their endurance, opt for a cease-
fire, and either negotiate or build up their reserves and resume
fighting.  Due to the U.S.' industrial capabilities, he certainly
realized that this path would be very unlikely.
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From:         Marissa Ratcliff <MRATCLIF@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Christian Nettiquette

Dear James,


   Thanks for the much needed humor. (It was humor, right?) I'm starting to fee
l just a bit warm; how 'bout you?


Marissa Ratcliff
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From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE:JOB AND PRAYER UPDATE-GLENN

Greetings Glenn,

We will continue to pray with you.  Only God can open or shut a door.  We
pray God's perfect will be done in this situation.  Ps. 75:6-7 For promo-
tion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south.
7) But God is the judge: He putteth down one, and setteth up another. We
are going to continue to trust in our source which is God according to
the Bible.

Dear Heavenly Father,
We thank You for Your Word and all Your many blessings.  We continue to
lift up to You Glenn, and ask that Your perfect will be done with this job
situation and we thank You for what You are going to do.  We thank and praise
You in advance in Jesus Name.  Amen and Amen.

Keep praising the Lord and keep the faith Glenn.  Have a blessed weekend.

Your sister in Christ,

Shelby--
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From:         "LCDR Andrew W. Melton, USN" <6243P@NAVPGS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Last night's Rush Limbaugh Show

Rush is a man. He doesn't seem to profess to have a specific annointing from
God. I like what Rush says by in large BUT, I will not put my faith in Rush. I
know whom I have believed.....

                              Andy
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From:         Dan Harling <harling@ROADRUNNER.PICTEL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Mormon/LDS

> Date: 25 Jan 1993 11:55:00 -0700
> From: SWILBURN@GONZAGA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Mormon/LDS
> To: Multiple recipients of list CHRISTIA <CHRISTIA@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>
>
> ...I do not believe that the Mormon Church is a so-called "cult".
> After all, the name of the Mormon Church is "The Church of Jesus Christ of
> Latter Day Saints", and I do not think that a church with Christ's name in the
> title could be a cult...

A group can use Christ's name in their title and still deny:

    o   the Deity of Christ
    o   his bodily resurrection
    o   the doctrine of the Trinity

or any other tenet that is essential to Christianity.  I am not sure
which (if any) of these doctrines the Mormons reject, although the
first seems to be a "favorite".
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Subject:      Re: Mormon/LDS

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>From: riipinen@dxcern.cern.ch (Petri Juhani Riipinen)
>Subject: Re: Mormon/LDS
>Organization: CERN European Laboratory for Particle Physics
>Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:40:33 GMT

In article <01GTXO09F74G000D5A@GONZAGA.EDU> SWILBURN@GONZAGA.EDU writes:
>Dear Michelle:
>Latter Day Saints", and I do not think that a church with Christ's name in
the
>title could be a cult.  I now work for a man who is Mormon, and he has other

So, according to that logic "Christian Science" is not a cult...:)

Peace,
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:12:08 CST
From:         A16905@ITESO.BITNET
Subject:      Computing for lawyers

Hi Saints,

I need some help from you. This semester I am going to be teacher of a
computing course for the second semester of school of laws here at ITESO.

Part of this courseis about the use of the network services available (BITNET
and Internet). Por computer people like me, there are a lot of interesting
stuff rounf here (the network in it self, for example) but for these guys, well,
it is another thing.

I suppose that you can direct me to some addresses (Mailing lists, FTP sites,
database servers, shareware sources, etc.) that may be motivating for them
to learn about computers.

As all times I ask for help, I thank you for being there.


In Christ.

Shalom,
Memo.
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From:         Dan Harling <harling@ROADRUNNER.PICTEL.COM>
Subject:      RE: evolution and things

> Date: 21 Jan 1993 11:47:21 -0600
> From: Tom Shelton 314 694-3831 <tjshel@MAPLE.MONSANTO.COM>
> Subject: RE: evolution and things
> To: Multiple recipients of list CHRISTIA <CHRISTIA@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>
>
>     Your reply was not eaten.  One of the options of the LISTEARN is to have
> your replies sent back to you and not just to the list.  By default, when you
> reply to a message, your message is NOT sent to yourself.  You can turn on
 this
> feature by sending the appropriate command to the CHRISTIA LISTSERV. (Sorry I
> don't have my copy of the commands handy).

In the body of the letter, use the command:

SET CHRISTIA REPRO

My apologies if someone has already answered this question; I'm still
catching up on mail after leaving my machine for two hours (!).
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From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
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              25 Jan 1993 00:37:00 +0000 from <ga921008@MCIS.MESSIAH.EDU>

On Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:37:00 +0000 <ga921008@MCIS.MESSIAH.EDU> said:
>Scott: Hollywood + Money = Ronald REagan??
Shoot, it could have been me. Don't ask me to spell. I make a lot of
misteaks from time to time. I saw a page of spelling errors with Clinton
and others and thought "Hmph, just names, next page." Didn't pay any
attention.

>
>-from my wife
>
>--Greg

Maks.
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Subject:      Re: The Safety of the Pill and Abortion

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>From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
>Subject: Re: The Safety of the Pill and Abortion
>Organization: University of Pennsylvania
>Date: 20 Jan 93 19:09:04 GMT

(Fred Fowler) Writes:

>Since the statements have been made, whether seriously or not, that
>both the Pill and abortion are safer than pregnancy, I thought that I
>would throw out a few statistics from Blessed are the Barren: The
>Social policy of Planned Parenthood, a book published by Ignatius
>Press.

No offense, but I would give any information taken from this source as
much credibility as I would if it came from Planned Parenthood.  That is,
it has an axe to grind and a blatant bias.  So, I imagine, would any
Catholic article on birth control methods.

>    The Pill causes increased risk of thromboembolism, AIDS, pelvic
                                                        ^^^^
The pill causes increased risk of AIDS, according to this source?  I think
you've just proven my point.

I don't mean to sound harsh here, but I worked for a year with a local
AIDS ministry, and there's a lot of inflammatory misinformation out there
on this subject.  The Pill does *not* cause AIDS, or increased risk of
AIDS.  To do so, it would have to contain the AIDS virus, which it does
not.  If this source's point is that taking a contraceptive pill will make
one more likely to have indiscriminate sex with many partners, and that
the indiscriminate sex may lead to AIDS, then it should say so.  It would
be wrong, in my opinion, but it should still say what it really means.



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