HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: beck@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck)
Subject: Re: Non-root user mount capability?
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:53:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.213745.14626@pmafire.inel.gov>, cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) writes:
|> Howdy all,
|> 
|> The following entry from mount(8):
|> 
|> "General users can only mount file systems with certain restrictions.
|> For example, the user, other than the superuser, performing the mount
|> must own the directory.  Furthermore, no users other than the
|> superuser can execute setuid or setgid programs on the mounted file sys-
|> tems.  In addition, users other than the superuser cannot access block
|> or special character devices such as rra0g on the mounted file systems."
|> 
|> seems to indicate that joe user should be able to execute a mount or
|> umount command as long as they own the mount point.  Specifically, one
|> of our users has data on several CD's that he would like to switch back
|> and forth between.  So, I had him try to do the mount.  It spit back:
|> 
|> mount -t cdfs /dev/rz4c /cd
|> 
|> cdfs_mount: cannot mount /dev/rz4c on /cd: Permission denied
|> 
|> My questions, then, are (1) can general users mount cd's?  (2) if so,
|> then I'm obviously misinterpreting something about the man page.  Could
|> someone please enlighten me as to what I've missed?
|> 
...

Wheres the problem ? The manual says, the user must own the directory.
I dont believe he owns /cd ?
why not do something like this:

 create a mountpoint in your home dir, f.i. cd ; mkdir mnt

 when needed, do:

  mount /dev/rz4c `pwd`/mnt

 and it is mounted. Be sure to give the complete path of the mountpoint
 directory (i use pwd therefore) and to allow /dev/rz4c user access.

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From: p3ay@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Bill Noon)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Help mounting a cd on a DS5000?
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:25:07 EDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

I keep having a problem mounting a CD on a DECstation 5000/125. 

After executing the following commands:

# mkdir /cdrom
# mount -t cdfs -o noversion -r /dev/rz4c /cdrom

The cdrom drive lights up briefly then I get the following message:     

cdfs_mount: Unknown descriptor type

What am I doing wrong?

I would love to read the documents ... but they are on the cd.

Please e-me directly.  Thanks for your help.

--Bill

noon@metvax.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: goeke@space.mit.edu (Robert F. Goeke)
Subject: Re: DEC Dat Drive Capacity
Organization: MIT Center for Space Research
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:15:24 GMT

	I'm running ULTRIX 4.2A, so I don't know about the 4.3 SCSI/CAM driver
refered to by Alan Rollow, but let's talk about compression.  It is an 
interesting fact that I can do a tar to any of /dev/nrmt0[lham] and the result
is the same -- compression is on.  For this thing, all trailing letters are
equivalent.  

	Now, in fact, it would be convenient to be able to turn compression
off when you wanted to share tapes with someone owning a simpler, cheaper
drive.  But it doesn't seem to be possible with simple high level commands.

-- 
Robert F. Goeke   [goeke@space.mit.edu]
   MIT Center for Space Research
   Cambridge, Massachusetts  02139
617-253-1910         FAX: 617-253-0861
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: welch@nervous.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arun Welch)
Subject: How do I set my path for dxwm?
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:04:56 GMT


Where can I set my path so that I don't have to give a full pathname
to applications in the Session Manager? I've tried setting it in
.login, .cshrc, and .profile, and in all cases I still get errors of
the form "sh: xterm: not found" when I try to start up applications
that aren't fully specified.

...arun
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Arun Welch
Lisp Systems Programmer, Lab for AI Research, Ohio State University
welch@cis.ohio-state.edu
From: mamros@athena.lkg.dec.com (Shawn Mamros)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: How to preserve mod times on ftp'ed files
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:30:04 GMT
Reply-To: mamros@athena.lkg.dec.com (Shawn Mamros)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


j_detter@BULLS.CCA.CR.ROCKWELL.COM (Jeff Detterman) asks:
>Does any one know how to preserve the modification time on files
>that are being ftped from a VAX to UNIX? 

Unless I'm mistaken, the FTP protocol has no provision for obtaining the
timestamp on a file.  Keep in mind that FTP was designed to be a generic
protocol that would work across various operating systems.  Different OS's
keep very different notions of what time(s) (if any) are associated with
files.

rcp, on the other hand (designed to be UNIX-specific, although there are
non-UNIX implementations around), does have a provision for preserving
modification time (via the -p flag).  Depending on which TCP/IP implementation
you're running on your VAX (assuming that you really mean "VMS" when you say
"VAX" - there are some of us who don't make that association always ;-),
you may be able to use rcp instead.

-Shawn Mamros
E-mail to: mamros@athena.lkg.dec.com
From: neve@nlm.nih.gov (Leif Neve)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Trying to build g++ on a DECstation!
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:00:27 GMT
Reply-To: neve@nlm.nih.gov
Organization: National Library of Medicine

I'm trying to build g++ 1.42.0 on a DECstation 3100 running Ultrix 4.2.
It builds fine. But when I run it, it bails out saying:

    g++: installation problem, cannot exec collect: No such file or directory

When I define COFFLAGS in the Makefile to use ECOFF, it tries to
compile collect.c and fails (doesn't understand typedef 'tree' and 'mips_sections').

(1) I'm not picky about which version of g++ to build. Is there a version
out there that works for the DECstation 3100? (At one time I downloaded
gcc 2.2.2 but shied away from it when I read that setting LANGUAGE=c++
was a "waste of time.")

(2) If I stick with 1.42.0, what exact changes should I make to the Makefile
to get it to build?

Thanks,
Leif Neve
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: michelotto@dxcern.cern.ch (Michele Michelotto)
Subject: [REQUEST] ethernet monitor for Ultrix 4.2 RISC
Followup-To: comp.unix.ultrix
Keywords: ethernet
Reply-To: michelot@dxcern.cern.ch
Organization: CERN - European Laboratory for Particle Physics
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 09:40:43 GMT


Hello,

I'd like to have some information on an Ethernet monitor.
I'm using DS5000/200 and 5000/240 with Ultrix 4.2
I don't need necessarly many features but I want to
known the average and maximum traffic on a segment in
packets/sec and KB/s.
I'll summarize to the net of the message that are not posted
on this newsgroup.

Thank * 10E6 
--
						Ciao, Michele
						
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* Michele Michelotto, INFN Padova, Delphi group.                             *
* Internet: michelot@vxcern.cern.ch     BITNET: MICHELOTTO@IPDINFN           *
* Tel (+39).49.844347                   HEPNET: VAXFPD::MICHELOTTO           *
*       When the moon fills the sky, like a big pizza pie, it's amore.       *
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: tym@dibbler.cs.monash.edu.au (Tim MacKenzie)
Subject: Re: I cannot talk
Organization: Computer Science, Monash University, Australia
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:58:41 GMT

Eiji Hirai (hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu) wrote:
>wetzels@amc.uva.nl writes:
>> 'checking for invitation on caller's machine'
>I'm assuming you're running talk on Ultrix 4.2 or something near it.

We've had problems of this nature (with talk local to our machine too)
and it appears that sometimes inetd gives up on the ntalk port for some
obscure reason... We've had to restart inetd a number of times to fix this.
--
-Tim MacKenzie (tym@dibbler.cs.monash.edu.au)
From: j_detter@BULLS.CCA.CR.ROCKWELL.COM (Jeff Detterman)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: How to preserve mod times on ftp'ed files
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:55:42 GMT

Does any one know how to preserve the modification time on files
that are being ftped from a VAX to UNIX? 

The only solution that we can think of is to tar the files on the
VAX and then ftp them to UNIX and untar them. However we would then
need to find a tar command for the VAX.

Does anybody have a better way to do this?

Is this possible with dcp?

Thanks

Jeff Detterman			phone: (319)395-2744
UNIX System Administrator 	email: j_detter@hwking.cca.cr.rockwell.com
Rockwell international
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.os.vms
From: mark@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Mark Van Overbeke)
Subject: news readers for the mac
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:33:58 GMT

Does anyone out there have any pointers to a good newsreader for the
Mac?  I don't know the name of the one that we are using, but there have
been some problems with it here.  I don't know if they are user problems
or what is happening.  Any pointers to others we can check out would be
appreciated.  Thanks.

-- 
Mark Van Overbeke                   Systems Software Programmer
Computing Services                  BITNET:    Mark@UMNMOR.BITNET   (VMS)
University of Minnesota, Morris     INTERNET:  Mark@caa.mrs.umn.edu (VMS) 
Morris, MN   56267           (612) 589-6378    mark@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Ultrix)
From: brown@lincoln.ac.nz
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: lpr -p creates endless blank pages
Date: 30 Sep 92 10:01:30 +1200

I'm having trouble using the lpr -p qualifier on a LN03 printer which
is accessed via the LAT protocol from a DECstation 5000/200 with
Ultrix V4.2A.

Whenever I do this I get endless blank pages printed out after the end
of the real job.  It doesn't happen if I leave out the -p qualifier;
nor does it happen on our central dot matrix printer (LA324) with the -p
qualifier included.

One hunch is that I need an LN03 version of /usr/lib/lpdfilters/ln01pp.
Does such a thing exist ?  (I tried using the ln01pp file - no change in
symptoms).  I also tried using the standard if, of entries; but the symptoms
remained the same.

Here is my printcap : (The LAT associations are made in rc.local)
lp0|lp|0|local line printer:\
	:lp=/dev/tty17:\
	:af=/var/adm/lp1acct:\
        :br#9600:\
	:pw#132:\
	:pl#88:\
	:fs#023:\
	:fc#0177777:\
	:ct=dev:\
	:uv=4.0:\
	:of=/usr/lib/lpdfilters/lpf:\
        :if=/usr/lib/lpdfilters/lpf:\
	:sd=/usr/spool/lpd:\
	:lf=/var/adm/lpd0errs:\
	:rw:
laser|LASER:\
	:af=/usr/adm/laseracct:\
	:br#9600:\
	:ct=dev:\
	:lf=/usr/adm/lasererr:\
	:lp=/dev/tty13:\
	:os=:\
	:sd=/usr/spool/laser:\
	:pw#9999:pl#9999:fs#023:fc#0177777:uv=4.0:sh:rw:\
	:xf=/usr/lib/lpdfilters/xf:\
	:if=/usr/lib/lpdfilters/ln03of:\
	:of=/usr/lib/lpdfilters/ln03of:

Any ideas ?
Regards,
________________________________________________________________________________
Martyn Brown, Senior Computer Consultant          Phone: 64.3.3252811 extn 8012
Centre for Computing and Biometrics                 Fax: 64.3.3252944
P. O. Box 84, Lincoln University                 Pacnet: 05301.30000047::brown
Canterbury, New Zealand                 Bitnet,Internet: brown@lincoln.ac.nz
From: neve@nlm.nih.gov (Leif Neve)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Is "wait" working?
Keywords: wait
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:40:03 GMT
Reply-To: neve@nlm.nih.gov
Organization: National Library of Medicine

We are running 4.2A on a DECstation 3100 and are seeing strange
behavior with the "wait" command.

In particular, if you have no background processes running and you type

	$ wait any_number

for any arbitrary number you desire, the command never returns. What is it
waiting for? With no background processes running, shouldn't 

	$ wait pid

behave exactly like

	$ wait

????? This is what we see on other UNIX platforms (e.g. Sun, HP).

BTW - I noticed that the "wait" in /bin/sh5 is better behaved in this regard.
Can one of you UNIX  gurus tell me how I  can use /bin/sh5's "wait" but still put
#!/bin/sh at the top of my script file?

Leif Neve
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: thomas@lkg.dec.com (Matt Thomas)
Subject: Re: Ultrix 4.3 for DECstation (RISC) - when?
Reply-To: thomas@lkg.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:36:20 GMT


In article <BvHALB.Hr1@alsvid.une.edu.au>, mark@alsvid.une.edu.au (Mark Garrett Internet: mark@arvak.une.edu.au Phone: +61 66 20 3859) writes:
|>From article <1992Sep22.133259.6051@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, by thomas@lkg.dec.com (Matt Thomas):
|>> 
|>> All the LAT/lpd/tty patches got into V4.3.  But I have no doubt that there
|>> will be patches for V4.3 as some customer finds a bug.  But I wouldn't mind
|>> being disapointed.
|>
|>	What about the patches for pfilt.o and net_common.o ???

Yes they did get included *but* net_common.o has bug which prevents it from
working with DECnet-OSI for ULTRIX.  (actually, any 802.3 packet is dropped).
There is yet another patched version of net_common.o available to fix this.
--
Matt Thomas                     Internet:   thomas@lkg.dec.com
DECnet-ULTRIX Development       UUCP:       ...!decwrl!thomas
Digital Equipment Corporation   Disclaimer: This message reflects my own
Littleton, MA                               warped views, etc.
From: rouilj@cs.umb.edu (John P. Rouillard)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Trying to build g++ on a DECstation!
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:34:35 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston


I have built g++ 2.2.2 and have gotten then newest g++ library to
build with it, but I still can't compile groff. The compiler core
dumps. Has anybody else seen this, or is it a problem with my setup?

-- John
From: rouilj@cs.umb.edu (John P. Rouillard)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: top barfs up process list on Ultrix 4.2
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:13:31 GMT
	<9VWQBC9J@cc.swarthmore.edu>
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston



In article <9VWQBC9J@cc.swarthmore.edu> hirai@cc.swarthmore.edu (Eiji Hirai) writes:


   Latest is 3.0 at eecs.nwu.edu:/pub/top.  Make sure you have the patch to
   m_ultrix4 from "David S. Comay" <dsc@seismo.CSS.GOV>.


Where is this patch available?  I haven't put top 3.0 in place because
of this problem.

-- John
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: ps - listing another user's processes
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:37:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Oct1.003721.11559
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

Two people were kind enough to point me in the direction of "sps", a
ps replacement that has all sorts of nifty futures, including the one
I wanted - "sps -U news". sps seems pretty neat in itself - it
attempts to put more information in the ps listing (and seems to do a
good job). It's also much faster (caches the nlist and getpwent calls
into a small file in /tmp)

There are all sorts of versions of sps floating around on the net, but
the best one I've found so far is in the comp.sources.unix archives,
volume 26 (on gatekeeper.dec.com, among others.)

Several people have mentioned here that some ps programs now support
"ps -unews" What happens to the old "-u" flag in those instances?

(thanks to dec.com for gatekeeper, particularly the terrific "index"
hack onto their ftp server - very useful. I wish every ftp server had it.)

                __
nelson@reed.edu \/          Days go by, endlessly pulling you into the future
From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Subject: Re: I still cannot talk....
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:34:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.170331.1@amc.uva.nl> wetzels@amc.uva.nl writes:
> [article about using talk/otalk to a Sun deleted]

The problem is that Sun distributes a talk based on the old talk protocol
that does not work correctly in a mixed-endian environment.  To be able to
"talk" to a Sun, the Sun needs to be running a talk/talkd based on the
newer protocol (like 4.3BSD talk/talkd).  We have the 4.3BSD talk running
on some of our Sun systems and it works fine with Ultrix. 

Someday maybe Sun will get with it and distributed a newer talk/talkd.


Mike Iglesias                        Internet:    iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu
University of California, Irvine     BITNET:      iglesias@uci
Office of Academic Computing         uucp:        ...!ucbvax!ucivax!iglesias
Distributed Computing Support        phone:       (714) 856-6926
From: roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Ultrix 4.2 dd brain damage
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:06:17 GMT
Organization: New York University, School of Medicine


	I can't believe DEC managed to break a program which has worked fine
on every version of Unix I've ever seen, starting with V6 (except the one
I'm using now, 4.2a on a DECstation 5000).  I'm talking about dd, that
plain-jane, vanilla "convert and copy" file utility that is so simple I
can't imagine why they had to mess with it.  All three of the following dd
commands should copy the first 1024 bytes from foo:

dd if=foo of=x1 bs=512x2 count=1
dd if=foo of=x2 bs=512w count=1
dd if=foo of=x3 bs=1024 count=1

	Yet, the middle one, (the one with a blocksize of 512w), generates a
file with 2048 bytes instead of 1024.  Brain damage.  Worse than that,
wanton brain damage.

-rw-r--r--  1 roy          1024 Oct  5 20:59 x1
-rw-r--r--  1 roy          2048 Oct  5 20:59 x2
-rw-r--r--  1 roy          1024 Oct  5 20:59 x3
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: ssmith@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Stephen Smith)
Subject: Re: experience with upgrade to Ultrix 4.3 [long and sordid]
Keywords: Ultrix   4.3    upgrade    flakiness
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:51:34 GMT

sfreed@lacerta.unm.edu (Steve Freed) writes:

>In article <49577@sunquest.UUCP> terry@venus.sunquest.com (Terry R. Friedrichsen) writes:
>>
>>3)  keep a supply of dragon's blood handy for use if your keyboard goes
>>flakey and your mouse pointer won't move (this is *definitely* some kind
>>of Ultrix problem

>In the release notes, page 2-6 section 2.5.1:

>2.5.1 Personal DECstation 5000 Mouse Configuration
>       After an isnstall or upgrade, the mouse for the Personal DECstation
>       takes some time to become configured. When the mouse finally comes
>       online, you will see a message similar to the following:

>       0x54 A V1.0       DEC        VSXXXX-BB - 3884

>There are other notes in there you might find interesting. You might try
>perusing this book at your convenience.

Ahh yes -- and another Document of interest: 
In 4.3's "Guide to Installing ULTRIX" there is a table listed in the index
( 1-1, pg. 1-7 ) w/ a list of directories and files to backup prior to
installation ( /etc/ttys is one of them). I strongly recommend it to all!

The upgrade might scribble on local mods to the 4.2 ULTRIX software; e.g., 
libraries (libc.a, libX*.a), sendmail, /usr/include/X11, su, dump, restore, 
find, etc. as well; so save copies of them. (The ones listed are all replaced).

After installation the motd gave the name of a script which installs the 
new X server in the new /etc/ttys. There is no X-environment until this 
is done (duh).

Some local binaries broke, most importantly my BSD /bin/su needed 
recompiliation (seg fault).

There are some nice changes -- nothing negative to date (only up for 2
days). This trial balloon was a DECStation 3100.

----
	-Steve

-- 
==================================================================
Stephen Smith                         MS 262-6
(415) 604-1381                        NASA Ames Research Center
ssmith@eos.arc.nasa.gov               Moffett Field, Ca. 94035
From: fredv@einstein.oac.uci.edu (Fred Velijanian)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Ultrix 4.3 Installation and Performance Reports Wanted
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:52:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.2AC8DE2C.6731
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1aa5rqINN2d8@agate.berkeley.edu> forrest@nobozo.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Jon Forrest) writes:
>Given the current wacky state of DEC and Ultrix, I think it's more
>important than ever that people post their experiences with installing
>and running Ultrix 4.3. I, for one, would encourage people to do
>so.
>
>-- 
>Anything you read here is my opinion and in no way represents the Univ. of Cal.
>Jon Forrest WB6EDM	 forrest@postgres.berkeley.edu	 510-643-6764

I agree, Jon. I think most people don't have access to Ultrix 4.3 yet
since they are on the consolidated CDROM distribution which for Ultrix
is not due for another 4 weeks (October edition, presumably to contain
ultrix 4.3).

My main question is: Is X11R5 really included for both Xws and Xws3d
servers?

Fred Velijanian
University of California, Irvine
fredv@uci.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: tjb@mozz.unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker)
Subject: Ultrix 4.3 and syslogd
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:38:56 GMT


Does anyone know if Ultrix 4.3 uses the newer 3 argument syslog function?  

Thanks,

tjb

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From: neal@ngmvax.nersc.gov (Neal Mackanic)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Postscript printing problems to LN03R
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:03:18 GMT
Organization: Unknown


Hello,

	We are seeing intermittent problems with the printing of Postscript
files to our LN03R from our ULTRIX machine.  Sometimes a file prints, and
sometimes it doesn't.  Sometimes the header page prints, and sometimes it
doesn't.  This is very frustrating.
	We are sending the files from the ULTRIX machine over LAT to a 
Decserver which has the LN03R connected to it.  After a lot of testing, I 
believe the problem is in the ULTRIX system.  If anyone has a similar
configuration, would you please send me a copy of your /etc/printcap entry.
Maybe we are missing something in our printcap.  If anyone has seen similar
problems and found solutions, please let me know.  

			Thanks,
			Neal Mackanic
			mackanic@nersc.gov
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix