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From: stavish@purch.Columbia.NCR.COM ()
Subject: Re: BILLS WIN!!!!
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:15:33 GMT

In article <BxvJnK.Kt3@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
>In article <1ebb3eINNsth@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold) writes:
>>In article <BxuJJ8.Mqp@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>,
>>wlay@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Radio 90.1 FM WLAY Tarkington Hall) writes:
>>>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFF!!!!!!
>>>
>>>Bills 26, Fish 20
>>>
>>>Just got done hearing a dolfan complain about the officiating... there were
>>>calls BOTH ways close enough that I wouldn't want to have to make the call!
>>>But, a minor reality check: IT'S OVER!! There is nothing you can do about
>>>it!!
>>
>>There were bad calls both ways, but the worst had to be in the
>>closing minutes of the game when Kelly clearly intentionally
>>grounded the ball back on the Buffalo 2.  Considering that Buffalo
>
>If I hear one more idiot say that, I'm going to scream. Look at the replay.
>McKeller was right there. Kelly threw the ball to McKeller. McKeller did
>not drop the ball. Incomplete pass. End of story. This was about the only
>good call all night by those incompetant refs who are probably janitors at
>Joe Robbie Stadium, but had to fill in for an absent officiating crew.
>
>>would have had loss of down, and 23 yards to go for a first down,
>>that one bad call might have very well cost Miami the game. Miami
>>would have had good field position with a few minutes to punch it
>>in.  Maybe they would have. Maybe they wouldn't have!
>>
>>                                                    Tony
>>                                                 GO 49ERS!!!


I agree that the play was questionable but K. McKellar was within the 
ruled distance and the call is so subjective (ie avoid a sack) that most
officials will only whip the rag when it is very obvious.  I watch Marino
unload into turf all the time and very rarely get penalized.  Also, being the 
Bills fan that I am, and I am what I am, have seen many a QB avoid the 
Bruce by premature ejectulation and get away with it.  Bottom line, another
opportunity for the Refs to kill ya when they feel like it.
                                                      
                                            The Martman
From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Redskins' score ?
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:45:15 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov22.234309.6538@gw.wmich.edu>, mangla@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>I was working on computer all day so couldn't watch any tv/
>or listen to radio.
>\
>
>who did the 'skins play today, and what was the score ?
No one, but they do play the New Orleans aint's on Monday Night, thats tonite
on ABC, ARE YOOOUUUU READY FOR SOOOME FOOOOOOTBAAAAAL?????
>
>thanx
>
-- 

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From: v077mdph@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Snoopy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Christie saves Bills
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:51:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov17.131645.8779@iscsvax.uni.edu>, lyle5741@iscsvax.uni.edu 
writes...

>O.K. so maybe the Dolphins DID lose on Monday night, but at the half they were
>clearly the better team.  I agree that the Bills did win the game and I'm not
>saying that they didn't deserve to win, but if the Dolphins can avoid things
>like the 3rd quarter drought they had, they could beat anyone.  What I want to
>know is how in hell did Buffalo win?
>        Without their kicker Steve Christie, they're nothing!  Thomas only had
>only a little more than 100 yds. tot. off. and NO tD's.  Kelly didn't have a
>good night.  Neither Lofton or Beebe had long catches.  

	The first is true.  But everyone knew the Bills needed a good kicker to
win.
	Thomas took himself out of larger portions of the game than usual, to
the annoyance of my friend Aileen, and probably in part because he wasn't
doing well.  His understudy played just fine, thank you.  Lofton has been having
an off year.  I won't be surprised if he retires.  Kelly was alright.  Beebe
showed his characteristic weakness:  bad hands.

>        As for the Dolphins, Marino was spectacular 300+ yds. passing with 2
>TD's.  His receivers caught nearly everything.  Higgs kept the running game
>going!

	Yes, the Dolphins' offense played well, but the Bills defense still
stopped them often enough.  The Bills' offense played well enough to move the
ball.

>        As a Dolphin fan, I'd just like to say that I think the Bills got
>lucky.  Granted, they pulled it off, but not my playing well.  Hey Shula...

	Yes, they did.  To be honest, at the beginning of the season, I worried
about this game more than the game at San Francisco.  Miami is a good team,
and S.F. has that roadfield advantage.  However, I sincerely believe that the
poor officiating cut both ways, and that the Bills deserved to win.

>Good Game!!!!!
> 
>    Kurt
>        
>(LYLE5741@iscsvax.uni.edu)

Snoopy
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From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: Re: It's only the Packers
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:29:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.220114.14267@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:

>BTW, the Packers are more likely than any other team to take the 
>divison away from the Vikes by virtue of the fact that they are tied 
>for 2nd place in the NFC Central but have been beaten by the Vikings 
>only once.  (Vikings magic number is 3.)
>
>JGH

This is a scary thought, but imagine that the Packers lose their next
game.  Then the Vikings could go the rest of the season and lose
every game except the game against the Pack...and win the division
at 8-8!  The Bears and the Bucs would have to win 5 out of 6 to
beat them out.  I only say this because the Vikings have a very tough
schedule and have not yet proven that they can beat good teams.

Also, the Vikings may not even hurt their standing by doing such
a thing as it is going to be VERY difficult to beat out the 49ers
and the Cowboys for 2nd best record.  Something to laugh about, I
guess.


-- 
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From: daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Tao of Steve Young
Date: 24 Nov 92 02:50:03 GMT
Reply-To: daveb@lotus (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Originator: daveb@lotus
In-reply-to: athos@apple.com (Rick Eames)

In  <athos-231192150911@athos.apple.com>, athos@apple (Rick Eames) writes:

 Am I the only Niner fan out here that is not impressed with Steve
 Young?  He is, IMHO, unreliable, spastic and not that intelligent of
 a player.  Rice was open on many, many plays where Steve simply never
 bothered looking his way.

 About 3 years ago I used to say that Steve Young was a great
 quarterback if you were either very tall or knew how to catch with
 your feet.  He seems to be returning to that kind of football.  He
 doesn't look around at all of his receivers for the best throw, he
 doesn't react well under pressure and I just don't think he's that
 great.

 Am I alone?

Alone, no.  Part of the bunch of spoiled fans who deserve the
"Forty-Whiner" name, yes.

Probably no QB has ever been as good as Montana in his prime.  The
book is still out on whether he can approach that again, and even if
it's a good idea for him to try this year for the Niners.

Young's results *should* speak for themselves: Hovering around highest
rated QB in league for two seasons running, and a host of quality 4th
quarter rallies this year.  49ers two losses: Bills when the defense
couldn't slow the opponents down at all, and Phoenix where he didn't
play for most of the game.

As for style points, again consider Montana: who has ever looked good
in comparison?  Counterpoint: Elway has always _looked_ rotten on a
miss, throwing touch-less high hard ones, often for the first 55
minutes of the game.

It was equally sickening listening to the "we want Bono" crowd earlier
this year.  He looked like a turkey in Phoenix, and any number of
other places he would have been turned into dust by the rush, which he
can't escape very well.

The only gripe I have about Young is that he seems to have lost his
deep touch, especially with Rice this year.  Those with very short
memories should note that Rice had more productive deep games with
Young two years ago than he did with Montana, when everyone was saying
"Joe can't go deep anymore."  So this too has a chance of correction,
especially with Taylor back.

So, please take the energy you've expended on "Young stinks" and put
it somewhere useful.  Start with "where's the pressure?" and "can't these
guys cover anybody?"

The Niners problems this year are all defensive

cheers,
-dB
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From: q2dt@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Turner)
Subject: Re: Vikes Lose To Oilers
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:12:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.233420.13012@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:
>Well, a disappointing loss for the Vikes.  I didn't get to see it
>on TV of course, since our lone NBC game of the day is the 
>obligatory excitement-filled Seacrows game.  
 
	Isn't that INCREDIBLY annoying?  NBC shows the Patriots (the 0 and
a whole lot Patriots) in the northeast U. S. and Eastern Canada even if
two contending AFC teams are playing each other in another meaningful game.  
I supppose it's contractual, but it is painful to have to watch the Patsies 
lose game after game when interesting important games are happening 
at the same time.  After a while it almost becomes amusing.  If for
instance Miami and Buffalo played tommorow night's game at one today, 
(in perhaps the most important AFC game of the year) we still would have 
to have endured Indy and New England.  Incredible. Makes you want to 
spend $5000 and buy a satellite dish.   

By the way I acknowledge Indy and New England was an exciting game today.

cjt
From: v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE BET II
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:03:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov17.211007.26244@ncsu.edu>, delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE) writes...
> 
> 
> 
>  Ok, to show that Bills fans do have some sympathy, I will offer a vote to
> all Bills fans participants of the BET II. email your vote.

> VOTE NO:   The four Dolphin fans that were involved in THE BET II should not
>            be allowed to post again until SB 27.
>            
>delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
>            

No Freakin' Way!!!  ;-)  Geez, could we have expected THIS kind of sympathy if
*we* lost??  No way...after all, _Doug_ made the bet, I'm sure he's *more* than
happy to stand by it, aren't you, Doug???  ;)

Jon
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From: mcs@fps.com (Mike Sanfratello)
Subject: Re: MNF announcers still suck - TOP 10
Organization: CRAY Research
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:42:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.132117.2509@lgc.com> mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) writes:
> [ ... ]
>Then when the Bills had the ball
>they did nothing but gush about how great they were.  It seemed like
>bias or bandwagon jumping to me.


If you haven't noticed the trend yet, it goes something like this:

the three blind mice pick the "hype" team to start "gushing about"
initially.  They will keep it up as long as that team is not losing.
The moment the "hype" team starts losing, they will begin "gushing"
about the other team.  Clingons, all of them.

TOP 10 MOST PATHETIC EVENTS IN MONDAYS GAME:

1) taking away two Bills touchdowns on the same drive

2) Dan's chicken-jerk uncalled

3) Mark Kelso's coverage

4) Keith Jackson's celebrations of catching a pass, any pass

5) the hit to the knees by the Dolphins out of bounds

6) Kirby Jackson's coverage (on a few plays)

7) the Dolphins "just won the superbowl" celebrations after most every play

8) Jim Kelly's toss to avoid the sack uncalled

9) bringing both teams from the locker room to announce that the half is over

10) the refs consistent inability to even know the number of the player
    committing the infraction.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:44:24 -0500 
From: Paul Puglielli <pp1r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Status of players requested...

Soory if these questions have alread been posted.  Does anyone have
any information about Hassan Jones from the Vikings or Ernie Jones
from the Cardinals?

Thanks
From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Tie Breaker: NFC playoffs
Date: 18 Nov 1992 21:27:29 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <1ee8ksINNrao@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright) writes:
>I tried to follow a thread in here about tiebreakers and the playoffs
>but it got too complicated. Just who leads the NFC, Dallas or the
>49'ers?
>  			Won   Lost   Tie   Pct.   PF    PA
> Dallas (NFC E) 	8      2      0    .800   247   152	
> SF     (NFC W)         8      2      0    .800   292   172
>

The forty-niners lead the NFC at this juncture.  They have a better NFC
record than the Cowboys (the top tiebreaker when the teams don't play
each other).  I think the Cowboys are 5-2 and the 49'ers are 5-1 (I
just checked, and they both are..).  The niner's need to lose more
games than the Cowboys from here or the niner's need to at least lose more
NFC games...

*ice*
From: natar-n@cs.Buffalo.EDU (nanda)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Mondee night..
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:31:22 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo
Originator: natar-n@schaula.cs.buffalo.edu




Go Bills !!!


-nanda
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From: sager@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mike.r.sager)
Subject: Mark Levine, please read
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:34:07 GMT


Mark,

My e-mail back to you bounced.  What address should I be using?

Mike Sager
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From: jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber)
Subject: Re: Kick of the Day (at least)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:16:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.030515.6784@netcom.com>, mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael
Zimmers) writes:

>A moment ago, the Broncos' PK DeLuiso kicked off after a FG.  He 
>immediately raised his arms in triumph.  A moment later the ball
>sailed through the uprights for what amounted to a 75-yard field
>goal.
>
>I've been watching football for over 20 years now, and I've *never*
>seen a kick like this.  Yes, it was in Mile High Stadium, and I
>believe there's a bit of wind, but -- sheesh.  

I believe the "kick" of the day should go to Fuad Reveiz of the Vikings for
his 51 yard line drive field goal. The ball was at least 1 foot below the
defenders' outstretched arms as it crossed the line of scrimmage. Amazingly,
the ball avoided all the outstetched arms, made it passed the line of
scrimmage, and stayed in the air long enough to go through the uprights. Had
the linemen's helmets been off, a few of them could have lost some hair on
that play.

-- 
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:26:15 GMT

lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>1985          Bears 24 Rams 0                Bears 46 Patriots 10
>Of course, these are the AFC playoff losers better than the NFC champs:
>
>84: --
>85: --

Your emphatic "Of course" seems strange, in light of how decisively
Miami beat Chicago earlier that year.


--Gidi	(go jim kelly)





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From: metv@triton.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: NFL odds question
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 21:42:15 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1ee38vINN8j7@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> zaidioa@cs.rose-hulman.edu (Omar A. Zaidi) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.134738.1@minnie.imd.nrc.ca> kmews@minnie.imd.nrc.ca writes:
>>I checked the paper for the odds today and found two games
>>listed as follows:
>>
>>N.Y. Giants v Philadelphia,off
>>L.A. Raiders v Denver,off
>>
>>What does the "off" mean? 
>>
>>KM
>>
>
>I think it means that the line is even.. i.e either team could win.
>
>correct me if I'm wrong tho
>
>

It means you can not bet on those games.  If they think either team could win,
they will put pick.
From: schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Schmidt Computer Rankings through 17-Nov
Date: 18 Nov 1992 00:30:26 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Here are my computers rankings through 17-Nov-92.

Dallas remains #1 even with their loss due to Philadelphia's loss and
San Francisco's narrow win.

My rankings went 9-5 against the spread this week but only 5-9 in
picking winners.

I welcome comments and suggestions.

Kevin

Rank Team                      Points  Record Sch. Str.   Last Week   Change
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1    Dallas                    79.823   8-2-0  71.748  (  1,  81.508)  +0
2    Philadelphia              79.331   6-4-0  73.112  (  2,  81.044)  +0
3    San_Francisco             79.252   8-2-0  70.102  (  3,  79.252)  +0
4    New_Orleans               76.093   7-3-0  70.874  (  6,  75.802)  +2
5    Minnesota                 76.008   7-3-0  68.408  (  4,  76.847)  -1
6    Pittsburgh                75.994   7-3-0  70.724  (  5,  76.304)  -1
7    Kansas_City               75.876   6-4-0  72.288  (  8,  74.630)  +1
8    Houston                   75.751   6-4-0  71.151  (  7,  75.183)  -1
9    Buffalo                   74.064   8-2-0  69.056  ( 11,  73.040)  +2
10   NY_Giants                 72.428   5-5-0  70.724  ( 10,  73.721)  +0
11   Washington                72.362   6-4-0  71.929  (  9,  74.218)  -2
12   Miami                     72.158   7-3-0  66.651  ( 12,  72.416)  +0
13   Denver                    72.012   7-3-0  71.984  ( 14,  70.599)  +1
14   LA_Rams                   71.865   4-6-0  71.783  ( 15,  70.528)  +1
15   Phoenix                   70.432   3-7-0  74.235  ( 13,  71.316)  -2
16   San_Diego                 69.877   5-5-0  70.045  ( 16,  69.344)  +0
17   LA_Raiders                68.942   4-6-0  70.725  ( 18,  68.556)  +1
18   Cleveland                 68.701   5-5-0  69.034  ( 19,  68.328)  +1
19   Chicago                   68.321   4-6-0  69.833  ( 17,  69.063)  -2
20   Detroit                   68.003   2-8-0  72.074  ( 20,  68.080)  +0
21   Cincinnati                67.195   4-6-0  70.040  ( 21,  67.165)  +0
22   NY_Jets                   66.694   3-7-0  70.209  ( 22,  66.254)  +0
23   Atlanta                   66.465   4-6-0  72.176  ( 23,  66.165)  +0
24   Tampa_Bay                 65.400   4-6-0  69.918  ( 24,  65.585)  +0
25   Green_Bay                 65.328   4-6-0  70.785  ( 25,  64.227)  +0
26   Indianapolis              62.663   4-6-0  69.510  ( 26,  63.439)  +0
27   New_England               60.419   1-9-0  70.446  ( 28,  59.327)  +1
28   Seattle                   58.908   1-9-0  70.802  ( 27,  59.502)  -1
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From: daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Subject: Re: 49ers whip Dallas in NFC Championship.
Originator: daveb@lotus
In-reply-to: ables@hal.com (King Ables)
Reply-To: daveb@lotus (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Distribution: usa
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:20:55 GMT

>> The 49ers will ship Dallas in the NFC Championship game. because
>> dallas is a young team that will fold under pressure. Any Comments?

Yup, there's precedent: the reverse is what Dallas fans thought about
the Niners in 1980.

-dB



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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: FANTASY FOOTBALL OPENING--ACT NOW!
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:43:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

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