HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dlopata@stat.ufl.edu (David Lopata)
Subject:  My Durn Calendar doesn't work. . . 
Keywords: calendar openwin
Organization: Dept of Statistics, University of Florida
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 18:42:30 GMT

...

	Hello All!

	We're running 4.1.2 with OpenWin 3.0.

	When the Calander tool is run, the following error is generated:

	rpc.cmsd version is incompatible with CM.  Run install_cmgr.

	Of course, I did run the install_cmgr, and I still get the same
	error (which stays at the bottom of the calendar).

	Any ideas?
 
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From: rogerj@cs.cornell.edu (Roger Jagoda)
Subject: Setting up YP slave servers
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:50:54 GMT

SUNers,
 

I have a strange request that's PROBABLY in the FAQ, but not knowing
where to find that (always a chicken and egg scenario, you have
a FAQ, but need the FAQ to find the answer, but have to ask
where the FAQ is which is, itself, an FAQ!).


We have set up a YPMASTER, but now we want to set up some
YP slaves. Problem: How do we regularly update the slaves
from the master (which runs yppasswdd so all passwd are changed
there). I suppose we could run ypxfr, except that some of the
machines slated to be YP slaves don't have ypxfr (we don't
own a source license either...:-(  ).


So, what I thought I'd do:

On a designated slave:

ypserv -s

But then the machine answered that it's not in the
ypserver map! OK, so how do I add something to a server
map, when it's not a server yet?

Do most people use cron to "push" the maps out to ypsalve servers?


Any advice on this problem is greatly welcome!

Thanks in advance!

--Roger

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From: adamfox@b115.super.org (Adam Fox)
Subject: Re: SS2 crash and Patch 100330-05
Organization: Supercomputing Research Center, Bowie, MD  USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:36:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.190250.158399@zeus.calpoly.edu>, etsiao@joule (Eddie Tsiao) writes:
|> 
|> We have a SS2 running on 4.1.1 serving files to various SS1's and IPC's.
|> I know about and have istalled patch 100330-05 to fix bug 1050558(SS2 crashes,
|> screen blanks, L1-A doesn't work, etc.)  We haven't had any problems with
|> it before but we recently moved file service to this machine so I installed
|> the patch just in case.  Last week, it crashed with the exact same symptoms
|> and brought down the whole network.  Does anyone know how effective this 
|> patch is?  Is there something that could cause similar problems?
|> Thanks in advance for any assistance.

The following 2 patches have worked for us:

Patch-ID# 100232-02
Keywords: crash, cpu, screen, black, sparcstation 2, sunos, 4.1.1
Synopsis: SunOS 4.1.1: Sparcstation 2 crashes or whatchdog resets
Date: 06/Dec/91

Patch-ID# 100273-01
Keywords: system panic assertion fail pmg-> pmg_keepcnt == 1
Synopsis: SunOS 4.1,4.1.1,4.1_PSR_A: "panic: hat_ptesync - invalid pme" 
Date: 22-Apr-91


These seem to have cleared up our problems

-- Adam Fox
Systems Programmer/Administrator
Supercomputing Reseach Center
Bowie, MD USA
adamfox@super.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: steve@cs.anu.edu.au (Steven Ball)
Subject: Re: Printing from Mac to Sun - NewsPrint 2.0
Reply-To: steve@cs.anu.edu.au
Organization: Computer Science Department, ANU, Australia
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:45:31 GMT

In article 92Aug24203720@albatross.bu.edu, jc@raven.bu.edu (James F. Cameron) writes:
>Question:  What is the best solution to print from the Mac to the
>           SparcPrinter?  What solutions are available in general?  
>
>           Basically, I simply want a user to choose "Print" and have
>           it sent over to the SparcPrinter without any other steps.
>           Since I am a complete novice when it comes to Macs, I am
>           asking the net for this info.
>

Use the lwsrv part of CAP.  CAP implements AppleTalk for Unix, and the lwsrv 
program will register a printer on the AppleTalk network, and feed print jobs
directed to it to a Unix printer.  Takes a bit of fiddling to configure it, but the
doco's all there.

I set it up to feed those jobs to our SPARCprinter (NewsPrint 1.0, but I don't
anticipate any problems with v2.0).  Works quite transparently.

CAP has lots of other neat tricks too - AppleShare server, printing from UNIX to
AppleTalk printers, etc.

Note that you need a LocalTalk to EtherTalk gateway if you're not already on 
Ethernet (Apple's Internet Router, or a Multiport Gateway).

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From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: 690MP "pausing"
Date: 29 Aug 92 16:49:45 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1992Aug21.002326.27505@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> steve@cse.fau.edu (Steve Smith) writes:
>I have noticed that on our 690MP (4.1.2) the load seems to climb
>intermittantly up to 8 or 10 -- sometimes causing pauses like Bob mentioned
>and other times, I don't sense any delay in what I am doing.  What is
>going on here?  I do a "ps axu" and there seem to be no cpu-hog type
>processes... really nothing to explain it.  The system serves as an NIS
>server and NFS server but the files it serves via NFS are rarely used...

Use ps to check for processes in D (disk wait) state.  Our 690MP is used
as a general timesharing system and as our campus news server.  It's
performance at times is pathetic, and when the load average is high
there are almost as many nntpd processes in D state as the load average
number.

See the message I posted a few minutes ago for more info on our 690MP
problems.


Mike Iglesias                        Internet:    iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu
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From: Thomas.Tornblom@nexus.comm.se (Thomas Tornblom)
Subject: Re: Help me with yppasswdd and 4.1.2
Organization: Communicator Nexus AB
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:40:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.162732.14695@wuecl.wustl.edu> kevin@rodin.wustl.edu (Kevin Ruland) writes:


   I can't seem to get rpc.yppasswdd to work correctly.  The symptom is:
   passwd will change the entry in the passwd input file but the make
   is not being done.   I know the make isn't being done because the
   timestamp, passwd.time, is always the old one.  My input files are in
   /var/etc (non-standard place) and I've started yppasswdd in rc.local
   with, rpc.yppasswdd /var/etc/passwd -m passwd .  The makefile in
   /var/yp works correctly by hand (that is DIR is set right).  This is
   exactly the same setup I used on my old machine running 4.1.1a.


SunSolve recommends starting the daemon like this:

/usr/etc/rpc.passwd /var/yp/passwd -nosingle -m passwd

Thomas
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From: mike@nmt.edu (Michael Ames)
Subject: Re: Mounting 4.1.2 filesystem on 4.1.1 system
Organization: New Mexico Tech
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:04:36 GMT

In article <2AA3A690.2400@orion.oac.uci.edu> iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias) writes:
>In article <2AA2A4F0.14824@orion.oac.uci.edu> I wrote:
>>
>>We have a situation here that necessitates mounting a 4.1.2 filesystem
>>under SunOS 4.1.1.  Does anyone know of any problems in doing that?
>>We couldn't find anything in the release notes, but I figured it
>>wouldn't hurt to ask.
>
>I guess I wasn't clear enough on what we wanted to do.  We need to
>physically mount the disk with a 4.1.2 filesystem on a system running
>4.1.1.  I know NFS mounts will work.
>
>Sorry about the confusion.
>
>
>Mike


	I was able to use a Sparcstation running 4.1.2 to build
a boot disk for a Sun 3 running 4.1.1_U1.  It works just fine.
The only thing to be aware of is to use the correct boot block
if the disk is going to be a boot disk for the 4.1.1 system.
The bits in the super block mentioned earlier didn't seem to
make any difference.  The 4.1.1_U1 system has been running fine
for a couple of months now.

					Mike Ames
					New Mexico Tech
					mike@nmt.edu
From: ptanner@crow.eng.stratus.com (Philip Tanner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Network monitoring tools
Date: 31 Aug 92 11:32:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering


	I'm presently interested in finding a tool which
I could use to monitor the network traffic on my backbones.
I'd prefer a public domain tool, but am also interested in
hearing about what tools are offered by third party vendors.
My goal is to be able to watch the loads and predict when I
have to expand the network and also to be able to see any
indications of trouble.
	Please e-mail responses to me.
	
				Thanks in advance,

				Phil Tanner
				ptanner@eng.stratus.com
From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Mounting 4.1.2 filesystem on 4.1.1 system
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:06:53 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <2AA2A4F0.14824@orion.oac.uci.edu> I wrote:
>
>We have a situation here that necessitates mounting a 4.1.2 filesystem
>under SunOS 4.1.1.  Does anyone know of any problems in doing that?
>We couldn't find anything in the release notes, but I figured it
>wouldn't hurt to ask.

We moved the disk over yesterday and it seems to be working just fine.
Thanks for all the answers (posted and emailed)!


Mike
From: rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Help! Untarring a SGI tape on a Sparc
Date: 29 Aug 92 14:38:57 GMT
Organization: San Jose State University - Math/CS Dept.

rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner) writes:

>In article <wycn8yb@lynx.unm.edu> john@aquarius.unm.edu (John Prentice) writes:
>>checksum error.  I have seen this problem before.  It has to do with SGI
>>writing its integers with the byte order different than the Sun.  

>   dd if=/dev/nrst0 conv=swab | tar xvf -
>         ^^^^^^^^^^
>        your tape name here

>"swab" means SWAp Bytes. "dd" is a very useful program for a lot of things.

>I thought that SGI fixed this a couple of years ago. Are you running an old
>release of IRIX? Or did they not do what they said they were going to?

They do have the non-swapping device driver /dev/tapens, but /dev/tape is
the default and does the swapping. 

>Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
>Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
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From: greg@carnivore.tamu.edu (Greg Economides)
Subject: Re: edu - throw out new SunExpress catalog
Organization: Center for Biosystems Modelling, Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:34:46 GMT

In article <Btw0zF.2xt@acsu.buffalo.edu> pjg@acsu.buffalo.edu (Paul Graham) writes:
>xcea@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Chad Adams) writes:
>|Educational sites:
>|
>|Before you even open that nice new SunExpress catalog you might just
>|want to throw it out now.  Why you ask?  No more educational discount.

When I called SunExpress to find out what was going on I was told that I
could still order from them and have two options:

1) Pay the price listed in their catalog and have the item shipped as the
   have been doing in the past (takes just a few days to arrive).

2) Pay the lower, discounted price and allow a couple of weeks to pass 
   before receiving the item.


Additionally, the SunExpress agent will be able to quote both prices to me
when I call.  I don't have to contact any other Sun sales rep. in order
to order the items.

The reason, as explained to me, for the longer delivery time (for discounted
orders) is that the order must go through one of the other subsidiaries of
Sun before it can be sent out (I think that this should not be the case).

I believe that the _basic_ change that this represents is good.  Sun has
FINALLY done some competitive pricing for their peripherals.  This should
help SunExpress financially (just my gut reaction...finances are definitely
not my forte').  The problem is that it is making the procedure a bit more
precarious for those of us who can enjoy the discount.  I hope that SunExpress
can fix this inconvenience -- it ought to be within their power to do so.

Peace,
--
Greg Economides,   Systems Administrator, Center for Biosystems Modelling
Texas A&M University
Internet: econ@tamu.edu
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From: popelka@odysseus.uchicago.edu (Glenn Popelka)
Subject: 4.1.2 patch conflict ?
Organization: University of Chicago  LASR
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:39:08 GMT

 We have just installed 4.1.2, and are in the process of applying
patches to the system. We need 100577-02 (atomic swap) to run
ingres. This patch replaces the file 'trap.o'. We would also like
to apply patch 100376-04 (divide by zero), which also replaces
'trap.o'. Although 100376-04 came out after 100577-02, there's
no indication that 100376-04 fixes the swap instruction bug that
100577-02 fixed. The easy way to find out would be to try ingres
before and after 100376-04, but we don't have ingres running yet...

 Has anyone installed both of these patches?

100577-02: Date: 28/Apr/92
           Topic: atomic swap instruction failure on sun4 & sun4c with 4.1.2
           BugId's fixed with this patch: 1087264
           'what 100577-02/trap.o'  ->   trap.c 1.61 91/08/22 SMI

100376-04: Date: 16/Jul/92
           Topic: security fix for integer division/mult on SPARC architectures
           BugId's fixed with this patch: 1032053 1069072 1071053 1082751
           'what 100376-04/trap.o'  ->   trap.c 1.61 91/08/22 SMI


original:    'what /sys/sun4/OBJ/trap.o'  ->  trap.c 1.61 91/08/22 SMI


Thanks,

glenn
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From: ron@mlfarm.com (Ronald Florence)
Subject: Re: MDT error converting to Zulu
Organization: Maple Lawn Farm, Stonington, CT
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:29:46 GMT

Don Baune 581-6088 MIRL writes:

   Is there a way to calculate the preceding hour without changing all
   my systems to MST.  The field that I am having trouble with is the 
   %H. In the example below, I am looking for the file "CI%m%d%H.GIF where 
   %m is the current month (08), %d is the current day (28), and %H is the 
   current time in Zulu (18).  I need to reduce 18 to 17.  Any Ideas would 
   be helpful.

#! /bin/sh

filename=CI`TZ=GMT-1 date '+%m%d%H'`.GIF

-- 

				Ronald Florence
				ron@mlfarm.com
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From: ron@rss.dl.nec.com (Ron Guest)
Subject: 4/470 Upgrade Questions
Reply-To: ron.guest@rss.dl.nec.com
Organization: NEC America
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:23:52 GMT

We are planning on upgrading our 4/470 to a 670 in the near future.
This server has 3 911MB IPI drives, a 2.3GB exabyte, two Network
coprocessor boards, and prestoserve.  Has anyone done this yet
(I presume so).

Any problems we need to be worried about?  We need to check
version compatibility of the NC and Prestoserve (the 470 is still
on 4.1.1).

Will the hostid have to be changed as part of this upgrade?  Having
to re-do the licenses for all of our software will be a real pain.

Thanks for any advice, tips, etc.

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Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Wednesday, 2 Sep 1992 15:41:07 EST
From: Reginald Reed <RREED@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: How to create a boot tape on a 3/60?

I just got a used Sun 3/60 yesterday and I would like to make a boot tape for
it since it didn't come with a tape with the OS on it.  Is this possible?

Please email.  Thanks.
--
Reginald Reed
rreed@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu
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From: lou@yfn.ysu.edu (Lou Anschuetz)
Subject: xterm fonts
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:49:07 GMT

As those who read my previous request know (and thanks for the
assistance all), I've just changed to a different Sun workstation.
I moved xterm over from the old machine and it works, but if I
try to run the fontsize selection it tells me there are no
fonts.  /usr/openwin/lib/fonts has all the openwin fonts, so I
assume that xterm uses some fonts from somewhere else.  Can 
anyone point me in the right direction?  TIA!

Lou Anschuetz, lou@yfn.ysu.edu
From: rhoward@matd.gatech.edu (Robert L. Howard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: minimum swap space for SunOS 4.1.x?
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:20:03 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

mario@wdc.sps.mot.com (Mario Nigrovic) writes:

>[synopsis: Why swap > physical?  What is swap? 48Mb swap OK for
>64Mb RAM? Mkfile(8) swap = normal swap?]

>This means that if I have a job I want to run, in which the
>executable is, say, 1.5Mb and the requested data is 4Mb, I will
>end up using 4Mb of my swap space for the data.

>Limiting your machine to 48Mb swap space means that there is a chance
>that you will underutilize your physical memory.
:
>Looking at it rationally, it seems to me that with the advent of
>4.1, swap CAN be less than physical since programs are not swapped
>to swap partitions.  This means that if you know your applications,
>you can tweak the swap space to optimize disk utilization.

>The bottom line is, until you see processes dying from lack of swap
>(usually malloc(3) failures or flat out cannot create process), your
>swap space is adequate.

Except for one small (apparent) bug in 4.1.2.  If you don't have
at least 2X the physical RAM in swap, you will gradually get less
and less free RAM until you finally need to reboot.  I would reboot
and consistently see 30 MB+ free.  A few short hours later it would
be down to 25.  Finally two days later I couldn't run a thing.  I
changed my swap to 2X RAM and shazam! it works fine....

>Personally, I run with GOBS of swap and stuff /tmp there.

It's really a shame to get 64 MB RAM and then need to waste 128 MB
of disk just so you can use the RAM....

Robert
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From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: NIS, slave servers and DNS access
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:19:28 GMT
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

In article <1992Aug28.163833.28635@fwi.uva.nl> casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik) writes:
>QQ11@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK (Alan Thew) writes:
>
>>I have a machine that requires DNS access which normally means running
>>NIS (yes I know it can be done without NIS but that's not possible in my
>>case). The machine will be a mail hub.
>
>>2) Can I take the password maps and somehow disable the passwords so that I
>>   have a list of usernames but they cannot logon to the mail hub.
>
>Disable passwords:
>
>+:*:0:0:::

Well, I've held off a few days waiting to see whether anyone else would
emphasize this, and nobody has (only Casper's brief mention below).

Disabling an account by putting some string, such as an asterisk, in the 
password field *does not work* if the user is coming in with rsh or rlogin 
from a trusted host (i.e. one listed in /etc/hosts or the user's .rhosts).
In this case, the password field is simply not looked at, period. If the
user can get onto some other system, say, their private workstation, they
can log onto any other system so long as their account name exists and their
hostname is in /etc/hosts.equiv (or in their own .rhosts file - which may be
provided to them by the server).

This goes for *all* accounts, not just general users. For example, bin.

Perhaps some of you will say "this is obvious", and perhaps, if you sit down
and think the whole process through, it should be. However, it is *not* obvious
simply from the documentation (passwd(5), for example, says nothing about
this being bypassed by the trusted hosts mechanism), and from many of the
messages I've seen here recently, it doesn't seem to be something that a lot
of people are consciously aware of.

This is why CERT recommends giving accounts like bin and sys false shells to
prevent access. If you haven't done so yet, do it *now*, and any other accounts
you have "disabled" as well.

>But better is a different login shell (.rhosts and all that):
>
>+::0:0:::/etc/nologin

This is the *only* way to truly disable an account (other than deleting it).
-- 
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From: thorsen@stc.nato.int (Einar C. Thorsen)
Subject: Impossible to use CD-ROM with PC filesystem on Sun?
Keywords: CD-ROM,pcfs
Organization: SHAPE Technical Centre, NL
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:37:16 GMT

We are trying to read a CD-ROM that has a PC filesystem on it using
mount -rt pcfs /dev/sr0 /pcfs
but it seems like SunOS doesn't like it.

Has somebody got any suggestions?

Thanks

Einar

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From: jens@seas.gwu.edu (Jens Johansen)
Subject: Thanks for all your help!
Originator: jens@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:26:17 GMT




Thanks, all of you who responded to my post on remote dumping, especially
the one fellow (and he was a fellow) who wrote about the .rhosts file.  I
had tried the rdump command on previous occasions without success, and it
was all down to the local machine name not being in the remote machine's
.rhosts file!

Thanks even to that fellow in Glostershire, or some such place, who sent
me the letter telling me not to waste the nets bandwidth with this sort of
thing.

Jens

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