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From: ashwin@osc.osc.com (Ashwin Honkan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Magic's reappearing act
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:32:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Versant Object Technology, Menlo Park, CA


    Oh, well. Magic is coming back after all.

    Larry Bird didn't want to be a part-time player and didn't want to fade
out like, say, Kareem in his last 2 years. Like Dr.J, he went out a proud
man, not quite at the top of his game but still better than most who play.

    But Magic seems determined to lose his reputation and be labelled 
'greedy' like most of the boxers (Mohd. Ali, Larry Holmes, Sugar Ray) who
keep (kept) un-retiring periodically when they run out of money. Even if
Magic may call it 'Love for the game', it is either ego or greed.

    His condition at the start of last season was bad enough to force him 
to retire (he had missed a couple of pre-season games and the first 2 games 
of the season due to a 'mystery' illness). Of course he feels great after
a year of rest and a romp through the Olympics.

    But he should realize that the 82-game NBA schedule is not going to
be like the Olympics. He is not going to have any of the teammates he had in 
Barcelona. In fact, he will be going against 7 of them in the Western 
conference and 3 of them right in his Pacific Division. I would be very 
surprised if even Magic can take the current Lakers team above the Blazers, 
Suns or the Warriors. 

    He is being unfair to the Lakers by playing just around 50 games out of 
the 82-game schedule and by missing the most important road trips where he
will be needed the most. What kind of satisfaction can any great player get 
when he knows that his part-time efforts are not enough to take his once-great 
team anywhere ? I have a feeling that Magic will re-retire sometime in the
middle of the season, losing both his fans and reputation in the process. 

    No one gets a better farewell than an all-star MVP award and an 
Olympics gold medal. I wish he had stayed retired.

Ashwin Honkan

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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Nets don't match, Terry Mills -> Pistons officially!
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:15:35 GMT

Nets didn't match the Pistons $10 mill/5 year offer, so formerly restricted
free agent Mills is a Piston!
 
--Eric
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From: willie@amalthea.osf.org (William Williams)
Subject: Whither the Celts?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Date: 28 Sep 92 10:42:26


Since the Knicks trade, the Boston papers (and radio) have been
eerily quiet on the Celts.  People seem to be hoping that the
Celts have a deal in the works, but the media focus is on rebuilding
the Red Sox (and the Patriots' ineptitude).

I guess the salary cap figures prominently, and I wonder if someone
could explain the fundamentals of the cap.  People here say, for
instance, that the Knicks' handling of Donaldson laid the groundwork
for their great trade.  How exactly?  I see references to both "base"
salary and actual salary.  What is this "base" salary, and how does
it figure into the cap?  What is the Celtics' cap currently?

Who do Celts' fans think we should go after?  Rodman?  Manning?  Willis?
What should we use for bait?  Gamble?  Douglas?  Fox? (I'd trade all
 three of these for any of the above).
What do we do when Parish/McHale go down?
How do we keep the regular season ending/Pacers series chemistry
 and improve on it?
Is Walter Berry still in the picture?
From: jdm42241@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doug Mraz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Indiana signs Sealy
Keywords: Malik
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:17:56 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

The Indiana Pacers have signed first round pick (14th overall) Malik
Sealy. Terms were not disclosed. Sealy, from St. John's, is 6'8", 185 lbs.
He is expected to play Small Forward to compensate for the loss of Chuck
Person's scoring power. Perhaps he may play backup shooting guard to 
Reggie Miller. This depends on George McCloud, who shwoed signs of life
at Small Forward when Person was out. When he was on the court at the
same time as Miller there was a lot of firepower.
In other Pacers news, from last week's Indianapolis Star General Manager
Donnie Walsh flew out to Denver to meet with Detlef Schrempf's agent.
Schrempf is seeking to renegotiate his contract, as he is in the 4th of a
10-year deal. He is being paid less than Miller and Rik Smits. He says he
would prefer a trade if something can't be worked out, but yet Detlef is
in the process of getting his family situated in Indainapolis for the
season, so it seems a trade is unlikely. Plus Walsh is reluctant to part
with Schrempf.

Doug Mraz

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From: wp01jst1@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Tomas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: McCray on the Bulls
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:15:57 GMT


"Getting up there in age?"  Well, Jordan is 29, Mr Bill is 37 and
Paxson is 33: so we have an 8 year differential.  I think that it's
difficult to say that Jordan is "getting up there in age."

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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Bulls v. Knicks -- Who will win?
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:48:02 GMT

To speculate on who would take the Bulls/Knicks match-ups is an inter-
esting, but meaningless, exercise.  A much more productive use of your
time would be to speculate on what the added outside shooting  will do
to liberate the latent,  and up to now,  unused talents of the Knicks.
Ewing,  freed from having to carry this team offensively,  will be one
of the NBA's, all-time, great defensive post men.  With he and Charles
Smith rejecting shots,  look for this team to change character  and be
more like the teams  that Pat Riley coached in Los Angeles:  great de-
fensive basketball teams that knew how to fill the lanes and get a lot
of easy baskets in transition.   Will they be good enough to challenge
the Bulls? That's why they have an 82 game schedule and then the play-
offs, to find that out.
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Are the Knicks *really* going to be that good???
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:45:33 GMT

raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka) writes:

>    Anthony makes the Knicks feel pretty damn good when you think of
>    the diaster Kenny Anderson and Gary Payton have been.
>    Anthony will settle down, and under Doc's tutelage that should happen
>    sooner than some expect

	U can compare Anthony to Anderson -- but not to Payton -- not in
	the same draft class.  Interesting enough, however.. Anderson and
	Payton are both #2 picks overall.  But watch out for Anderson this
	season.  Fitch is gone, and with Chuck Daly, Anderson should start
	showing some of the skills he's had for a long time...

	Jazzy J
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From: chris@scan.genetik.uni-koeln.de (Christian Schetter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Interesting perspective on Magic/HIV
Date: 2 Oct 92 10:44:45
Organization: Institute of Genetics/Dept. Virology, Cologne, Germany
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In-reply-to: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca's message of Thu, 01 Oct 1992 20:26:31 GMT


This article seems to reflect a more pro-Bush point of view. Let's
face the other side of the coin. 
First of all, who has the right to criticize Magic for doing the one
thing he had done nearly his whole life, to play basketball. Only
because he contracted this fatal virus some people would like to see
him acting only in the background. So that's one point. Why do you
think Magic quit the President's AIDS council? It is an absolute farce
and Magic was only used to get some votes. So he shifted his support
to Clinton and this is an important sign! You all know that your
President don't allow HIV + people to enter your country. We discussed
this before the olympics. So finally Magic realized like Arthur Ash
that President Bush only installed this council for public relations,
not to take real and honest action. Everybody who says that Magic
should stay out, has to realize that this would mean, ill people do
not have the right to make their own decisions. So that does not mean
that HIV is no problem, but it shows that you have to face it and live
with it. Your country is on a straight way to lost all the freedom you
thought to have and I hope people like Magic open your eyes!

Chris
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From: gregt@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Greg Tollefson)
Subject: Re: Rodman Trade Roumor
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 20:15:49 GMT

In article <vz1dio6@Unify.Com> drew@Unify.com (Andrew Baltzley) writes:
>In article <17638@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, ksmoore@taco.engr.ucdavis.edu (Kevin S. Moore) writes:
>> As I understand it, Rodman has stated in no uncertain terms that he
>> wants out of Detroit, and that he would be VERY interested in playing
>> for Sacramento (something to do with his girlfriend living there).
>> Apparently he is being SO vehement about it that it seems QUITE likely
>> that he will be traded, but probably NOT to Sacramento.  
>> 
>> that's what I heard.
>
>	I do believe his girlfriend lives in Sacto.  I recently saw Rodman at an apartment
>complex where a lot of the Kings live.  An interesting note, he had driven his car from
>Michigan.  Hmm.
>
>	I don't like the trade myself.  I would just tell Anthony Bonner that the first
>jump shot he takes, he's off the team.  The man can rebound if he concentrates on it.
>
>Drew


Bonner usually comes off the bench, and no way can you compare him to Rodman.
I do agree with you that Tisdale and a first rounder is a little steep.  Maybe
the Kings should pull a Pat Riley trick and promise a 94-95 first rounder when
the draft will probably no longer exist (although I don't know why they would
get rid of it).  BTW I heard Annie's (Rodman's girlfriend/wife) mother and aunt
on the local call in show..  They were really trashing Dennis.  Personal life 
assault and questioning his character.  Pretty ugly.  Ted Green did a pretty 
good job of fighting back. 

Greg T.







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From: wp01jst1@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Tomas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Underestimating the Lakers, again
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:15:31 GMT


Well, I'm unconvinced.  The results of the Celtics the last two years
should be evidence that the sometimes presence of a sometime great
player can both be a + and a -.  Personally I see the Lakers as an old
and very untested team -- Anthony Peeler may be great; he may not, but
look at the starting lineup: how many of them are under 30?

This team could easily fall apart again.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Underestimating the Lakers, again
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:40:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct01.174105.13282@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>
>Magic can shoot from anywhere, I agree.
>Scott seems to be getting worse year by year, so I'd be surprised if he
>improved drastically.
>Threatt?  Can you say, streaky?

Magic's presence will bring a lot of numbers up.  In particular, I think
Scott and Worthy relied on him a lot.  Threatt, streaky?  He shot the best
percentage on the team...and how many game winning shots did he make anyway?
I was impressed.  In offenses where he wasn't burdened by filling the shoes
of a basketball legend, his % was always over 50%, which can be considered
very solid for a guard.

>Campbell?  Very solid?  You must be kidding.
>And Green is the only real help at the forward spots (so that puts a lot of
>responsiblity on the shoulders of Worthy and Perkins, who are having problems 
>staying healthy).

Campbell did an alright job last year filling in for Divac and Perkins.  He's
not tremendously solid, you're right, but he can play and he can block shots
as well as anyone in the league.  I think he can help at power forward as
well.

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From: grubin@virga.rap.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Subject: MIGHTY NUGGETS sign LaPhonso Ellis
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Keywords: Nuggets  Ellis  5years  $13M
Reply-To: grubin@virga.rap.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Organization: Research Applications Program/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:02:52 GMT



The MIGHTY NUGGETS are expected to announce today the signing
of 5th overall pick in the 1992 draft LaPhonso Ellis.  Ellis
will become the 2nd highest pick from this draft to sign for
the coming year.  He's reportedly getting between $13M and
$13.5M for five years, making Ellis the second highest paid
player on the Nuggies (behind Dikembe Mutombo).  With Ellis'
signing, that gives the Nuggies something like 14 or 15 guys
signed and expected in camp.

Now that Ellis is going to be signed, it'll be the first time
since Bernie Bickerstaff arrived to be GM in Denver that all
Nuggs draft picks will be signed before training camp starts.
The Nuggies start their camp this Friday (9 October) at the
Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs.  Ellis is going to be
groomed to be the Nuggs power forward, now that Cadillac
Anderson has left to play in Europe, though Anthony Cook will
be in the running for alot of playing time.

Ellis' most telling statement: "Since the fans pay the paycheck,
I need to come in and make an impact right away."

--
Rick Grubin     grubin@ncar.ucar.edu
From: goedde@ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu (Chris Goedde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Parity and Salary (Re: What the hell happend to the CAP!)
Date: 5 Oct 1992 16:34:36 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <1992Oct5.183205.8771@ennews.eas.asu.edu> koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes:

>I wrote:
>>The NBA and its financing are vastly
>>different today than they were then.
>
>Which is exactly why Anthony's point is a valid one.  The term is
>"return on investment".  Before say, the early 80's, it was not worth
>it for many clubs to pay huge salarys to star players.

All I'm saying is that it's hard to extrapolate from the poor NBA of
the sixties to the rich one of the nineties.

>What happens if the Lakers sign their own contract
>with CBS then go and get the entire Dream Team at $14.5M each?  Great
>move right and it's great for the Lakers - but how good is it for the
>NBA anbd basketball?  You have to weigh the benefits of the individual
>teams with the needs of the entire NBA.  The league has to come first.

I'm not trying to say what's good for the league.  Actually, I think
that the cap has been great for the league.  It's pretty amazing that
the owners and the players actually sat down and agreed to split the
revenue up the way they did.  I definitely think that this helped the
league grow.  BUT (and there's always a but, isn't there), I don't
think that restricting salaries makes the league more balanced, which
was the statement that I originally replied to.

Consider the following two extremes:

(1) There's no restriction on salaries, but teams cannot make trades.
In other words, the only way players move around is through free
agency when their contracts are up.

(2) There's a strict salary structure: rookies get $250K, 2nd year
players get $500K, third year get $750K etc.  But, there are no
restrictions on trades (unlike now, due to the salary cap).

My assertion is that situation in situation (1) the league would be
more balanced, and therefore in situation (2) you would have more
dynasties.  No, I'm not going to try to  prove this assertion.
Basically, I believe that there are more stupid GM's than there are
poor owners.

chris
goedde@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu


>--
>Harry Koehnemann
>koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu


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From: gregory@flood.zso.dec.com (Peter Gregory)
Subject: Re: Are the Knicks *really* going to be that good???
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:23:05 GMT

In article <BvArw0.Is6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka) writes:

>>    Anthony makes the Knicks feel pretty damn good when you think of
>>    the diaster Kenny Anderson and Gary Payton have been.
>>    Anthony will settle down, and under Doc's tutelage that should happen
>>    sooner than some expect

>	U can compare Anthony to Anderson -- but not to Payton -- not in
>	the same draft class.  Interesting enough, however.. Anderson and
>	Payton are both #2 picks overall.  But watch out for Anderson this
>	season.  Fitch is gone, and with Chuck Daly, Anderson should start
>	showing some of the skills he's had for a long time...

What are you guys talking about?  Payton, Anderson and Anthony are all having
the "I'm a young point guard in the NBA" problem.  The only reason that 
Anthony didn't get abuse heaped on him was his lack of playing time.  If
Anthony had been the starting at point last year, the New York fans would 
still be bitching.

Anderson better than Payton long term?  I think not.

Peter
From: blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: AUSTRALIA VS. COLLEGE TEAMS N.CAROLINA ETC
Date: 29 Sep 1992 11:27:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au

I HAVE HEARD FROM VARIOUS SOURCES THE AUSTRALIAN NATIONAL TEAM WILL PLAY
SOME NCAA AND COLLEGE TEAMS IN NOVEMBER. 

COULD ANYBODY ENLIGHTEN ME ON THIS?

AND THE TEAMS AUSTRALIA WILL PLAY. FROM MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE IS NO TALK
HERE ABOUT AUSTRALIA PLAYING AGAINST ANY COLLEGE TEAMS... BUT I REALLY
DONT KNOW.

I HAVE FOUND OUT THAT AUSTRALIA WILL PLAY NORTH CAROLINA AND NOTRE DAME.
ANY OTHER TEAMS?

OR IS IT JUST AUSTRALIAN BASKETBALL LEAGUE TEAMS.

AN AUSTRALIAN TEAM PLAYING IN THE USA IN NOVEMBER WOULD PROBABLY BE
WITHOUT ITS STAR PLAYERS ANYWAY LIKE GAZE (IF HE PLAYS IN ITALY) BRADTKE
(PLAYING IN SPAIN) VLAHOV (MIGHT BE PLAYING IN EUROPE) AND NOT LONGLEY
EITHER BECAUSE OF NBA COMMITMENTS. IS THERE ANY REASON TO SEND A
SUB-STANDARD TEAM? OR IS IT JUST PRACTICE FOR SOME OF THE YOUNGSTERS ON
THE AUSTRALIAN TEAM?


BRYAN
From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: What the hell happend to the CAP! (Re: Magic signs $14.6M)
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:11:35 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Oct2.171709.18033@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes:
>
> Lets see here.  Magic retires and the Lakers use 1/2 his old salary
> to sign Threat.  Then Magic decides to some back and all of a sudden
> they can pay him 14.6M.  There's a couple problems with this:


	Threatt was signed *long* before Magic 'retired' last year. Magic's
HIV/Retirement announcement didn't come until 3 games into the regular season
last year. Threatt was signed in the off season.

	Also, Magic never officially retired, in the leagues eyes. The Lakers
carried him on the IR list all season, thus they never used his salary slot.
I beleive the league allows a league-minimum salary exception while a player
is on IR.

	Everything the Lakers & Magic have done are completely within the
NBA Salary 'cap' rules. They simply extended the existing contract for more
money.

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!	Marlboro, MA
From: CS19241099G@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (CRAWFORD, TROY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Gaze in the NBA?
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:58:46 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
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O.K all you American basketball fans, what I ask here is your expert 
judgement.  Is Andrew Gaze good enough to play in the NBA or is he better
off staying in Europe?  Many news readers would have watched the Olympics
where the Australian basketball team really played like the Washington 
Generals and got flogged, and no doubt those who saw Australia would have
seen Gaze play.  Would he be best suited to try out again or better off
staying in Europe?  Many would have seen him play along with T'Wolve Luc
Longley and Mark Bradtke, but his play left a lot to be desired in my 
opinion.  Gaze however, was affected by an eye injury which left him unable
to see properly and this is why his play was ordinary.

In Australia, Gaze has been the standout player in the last 6-7 years, and
although American imports always lead most stat. categories, Gaze has been 
a leading scorer in all these years and is favoured to win the MVP over 
former US players Doug Overton (ex-Detroit), Lanard Copeland (Clippers) and
a host of others.  Sure these players are at best bench warmers in the NBA,
but his perormance in Italy (for D2 Udine)  underlined his potential.  In 
a bottom team in the 2nd division, Gaze ranked 2nd overall (1st division 
included) statistically.  Doesn't this alone warrant another chance?  He
may be considered slow and unathletic, but he has many attributes similar
to Chris Mullin, he is a good shooter, ball-handler, is unselfish and 
possesses good court savy.  What do you think?

Chris.

E-mail : CS19241099G@LUST1.LATROBE.EDU.AU
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From: lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange)
Subject: Re: Selfish
Organization: UCLA Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 01:45:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.183156.27896@viewlogic.com> tim@kudzu.viewlogic.com (Tim Foster) writes:
>
>[...]  However, my comments were solely on Magic's selfishness to
>continue to play the game, even though he is endangering his peers.
>If others know they have the virus and continue to play the game
>and endanger their peers, I feel the same way about them.
>
>Tim Foster 

"However, my comments were solely on my own selfishness to
continue to drive my car, even though I am endangering my peers.
If others know they might cause accidents and continue to drive
and endanger their peers, I feel the same way about them."

"This is especially true since I'm not a complete ignoramus like other
people, and think that HIV is easier to transmit in a basketball game
than a car accident is to happen while driving."

- Trent Lange

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From: tseng-neill@CS.YALE.EDU (Neill Tseng)
Subject: Rockets Trade
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:08:48 GMT

I just read that the Minnesota Timberwolves have traded guard Scott Brooks to
the Houston Rockets for a 1995 second-round draft choice.  Anyone have any
info on Brooks?



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