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From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: RE: SINGAPORE LAWSE
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:57:00 GMT

In article <eTZ5RB3w165w@student.business.uwo.ca>, v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor K writes...
>godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
> 
>GL> Indeed I am  - a country which has laws like yours deserves 
>  > to be mocked.
> 
>then you say,
> 
>GL> What's irresponsible about giving a critical opinion?
>                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Godfrey, Godfrey, pls make up your mind - is it a critical 
>opinion or mocking???? I'd like to think I go to one of the best 
>business schools in Canada here - and what we learn here is 
>logic and analytical skills. Did you learn that in school in England?
>I don't think so. Your inconsistentency is blatantly obvious 
>to the most casual observer!!!! THERE IS A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE 
>BETWEEN MOCKERY AND CRITICAL OPINION!!!!! How can the laws of civility 
>hold when someone openly smears the name of your country?  
> 
>I see you have opened a canned of worms here on s.c.a. by your 
>irresponsible remarks. Why don't you try answer some of my 
>fellow countryperson's postings? I am dying to see you shut up 
>by my eloquent colleagues on s.c.a!!!!!     
> 
>v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Keong)
>Western Business School  --  London, Ontario

I have answered all of them by email, and only one of them was eloquent 
and I said so in my reply.  I too was taught logical thinking, and I
have a 1st class hon degree in physics and a PhD in Ni En nucl phys to
prove it.  Is that okay?  I hope that's sufficient to put me in the
same league as a first class Canadian business school undergraduate!!

If it's irresponsible to criticise undemocratic countries with silly
laws, then I'm certainly irresponsible and I intend to continue being
so.  Mocking too, if that makes people sit up and pay attention.

Laurence

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: guiyu@spectra (Kui Yu Chang)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWS
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 02:16:54 GMT

From the responses I received,  I really hope that everyone else in the world
are as sensible as you fellow-netters.

I brought this issue up because I always receive complaints from laymen of other
places in this order:

	1 : "Wow! you are from Singapore huh?"
	    "You know, you get fined for littering"
	    "You know, you get fined for .....
	    ....
	
	2 : "Therefore there is no democracy nor freedom in Singapore, my 
	     country is much better"

Moreover, the countries these laymen came from are often disorganized (dirty
toilets, litter cluttering the streets) as compared to Singapore.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Email in Bristol University, UK
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:42:07 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <BvqBG3.6FD@mtholyoke.edu>, gewong@mtholyoke.edu (G.e.R.m.a.I.N) writes:
> 
> Hi people,
> 
> I was wondering if anyone knows how I can find
> out the email address of a friend at Bristol.
> I tried fingering "bris.ac.uk" and "bristol.ac.uk"
> These machines are not being recognised... (didnt' 
> even get a "connection refused" or something like 
> that)
> 
> Anyone from Bristol reading this post?
Hi,
	From what I gathered, their machines are not "really" on Internet.  All
mail is sent to the machine via a server.  Take a look at the headers in any of
your UK mail and try fingering the addresses there.  Most will not be
accessible until you reach a machine that serves as the server/gateway/whatever
that is actually on Internet.  Certain places *DO* have machines that are on
Internet and these can be accessed directly, ie the server mentioned above.
	Again, the best way to get your friend's userid is to write to the
person involved.  Turn around time of about 2 weeks is not really all that bad. 
An article in news.answers tells you about the odds of anyone being able to
help you find any one person's email address.  Take a look at it when you are
free.  Ciao.

-Tai
From: subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Malay songs.
Date: 4 Oct 92 22:14:36 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.

Hi fellas,

	I wondering if anyone can supply me with some latest or even with
some old Malay songs. I would like some latest top hit albums , may be some
by Alleycats and I don't care it it's new or old, or any other popular song
will do.
	I lost some of my cassettes in the process of moving couple of years
ago. So, if anyone out there can do me this favor, I'll very much
appreciated. I'll send you the cassettes and return postage or which ever
way you prefer.
	Thanks again.

You can reply to me at:
Internet:subraman@andy.bgsu.edu
Bitnet:GSUBRAM@opie.bgsu.edu

Geeva Subramaniam
:) smile always
From: t8914179@phillip.edu.au (John Whale)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:00:54 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <1992Oct6.110231.13089@phillip.edu.au>, t9114206@phillip.edu.au writes:
> In article <1992Sep30.084147.25129@nuscc.nus.sg>, eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE) writes:
>> Hello, the fine for not flushing toilets is $150, not $1000 as reported
>> in the previous article.
>> 
> Just wondering ! How do they know if you haven,t flushed the toilet ?
> Do they have a security camera hiddened somewhere ??????? 
> 
> K.K

Yeah ... I am wondering too ... how do they know(the god damn government) if
you haven't flushed the toilet??????  I presume that you guys are talking about
Public Toilet .... having security camera in Public Toilet ... wow ... gee ...
i never knew that Singapore does that at all ... it really sux!!!!

John Whale.
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From: u1754@sparc7.cs.uiuc.edu (student)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Muslims converting to other religions in England!
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:17:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: sunb10.1992Oct6.221732.10949
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>If you are a  Malaysian, You should know you the Malaysian constitution which
>defines a Malay as a muslim with "Malay culture". I do not think there is 
>any mention of religion.

In other words, there *is* mention of religion -- a Malay is only a
Malay if he or she is also a Muslim, according to the constitution.

IMO, the unequal treatment of citizens, Muslim or not, is wrong. (Note:
it isn't really a Muslim vs. non-Muslim issue -- since non-Malay
Muslims are similarly downtrodden.)

Remember when Malaysia blacklisted South Africa for Apartheid? What
hypocracy! (Ah, but the S.Africans had discriminated against *Malay*
people! Ooo, we can't have *that*, now, can we?)

It was wrong for non-Malay businessmen to discriminate against Malays.
It is just as wrong for the Malay-controlled government to discriminate
against Indians and other non-Malays.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:41:47 GMT

Hello, the fine for not flushing toilets is $150, not $1000 as reported
in the previous article.

--
---------------------------------------------------------
Tan Gim Wee
EE Dept, NUS
internet: eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg
bitnet: eng20009@nusvm.bitnet
"Born to inspire, Destined to perform."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: New newsgroup for the military diehards?
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:12:52 GMT

ongh@iastate.edu (NightOwl) writes:
: I've been reading s.c.a. and have been totally annoyed ..well....more like 
: irritated that there have been so many postings about Mig29s and F16s.
: So how does a new newsgroup get started anyway? I think that it's only 
: appropriate to call it alt.military-weapons.fighterjets.asean ?

I have sent similar request to sci.military but it is moderated. I did not
even see my posting but I did get some interesting comments from "experts"
from USA and EUROPE but then responses in s.c.asean are "different".
	even sci.military is not heavily loaded, let alone start one off
asean.

: 
: If I'm not wrong, s.c.a stands for social.culture.asean ...culture, 
: nothing to do with weapons, eh?.
: And when asked to talk about some other subjects, how often do we hear the
: subject "f-o-o-d" coming up? It seems like there is nothing else interesting
: in the asean region that is really worth talking about except food. Interesting
: 

Do not blame our government for the severe censorship, if we have so many
people like you. In my experience, you are the majority.
	Before we can get rid of people like you, I'm afraid we have to be
stuck with the censorship in asean. Maybe my children will be more
open minded.

: How about stuff like social issues? Like how in this part of the world are 
: liberal views taken? Are we still as conservative as the Westerners see
: us? etc....
: 
: Food....Mig29s...F16s..... :D

I join Andrew in condemning you to start one yourself. Do not be scared of
flames? You do not face these people, do you?

I've my priorities because of lack of time:

economics,technology,education,badminton


--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh)
Subject: Re: scholarship:a joke (now malaysian men)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 22:59:01 GMT


  Ouch !!!  Too loud it hurst my ears.

   About inter racial marriage it is half true. Sure times you wonder
 why you got bunch of egoistic moron unattractive countrymen in the
 same university with you. but it might be more than that.
    In my three years i saw Malay-korean. japanese-arabic. chinese-iranese,
 indonesian-american. and numerous of cross culture dating. including
myself
 i found it different than dating a girl from same culture. You have much
 more to learn and understand , it makes its very exciting. B
    But maybe  the reason the malaysian girl you talked about ,have got
 the more liberal life style they learn over here. it is just a maybe.

 Muskie
 "To lazy to include my sig file"
From: lim@merlion.CWRU.Edu (Hock Koon Lim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Test Sent
Date: 30 Sep 1992 13:34:55 GMT
Organization: Information Network Services, Case Western Reserve
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lim@po.CWRU.Edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: merlion.ins.cwru.edu


In article <1992Sep30.030554.20002@nuscc.nus.sg>, kahchan@banana.iss.nus.sg (low kah chan) writes:
$ In article <chaojira.717785741@sfu.ca> chaojira@fraser.sfu.ca (Viboon Chaojirapant) writes:
$ ]lim@merlion.CWRU.Edu (Hock Koon Lim) writes:
$ ]
$ ]          ........stuffs deleted......... 
$ ]>  
$ ]>"Old boy" of CHS and HCJC,
$ ]             ^^^^^
$ ]
$ ]    It is nice to see that there are CHS's old boys in the net. 
$                                       ^^^
$ Does that mean Catholic High or Chinese High?  For fans of the latter I
$ am happy to report that our alma mater ranked number 4 in the list of
$ "best high schools" released by the govt.

      It is The Chinese High School.  How is the volleyball team
perform these days? Is Mr. Lim K.K and Mr. Foo E.K. still the P.E. 
teacher?

-- 
Hock-Koon Lim, Information Network services
Case Western Reserve University; Cleveland, Ohio, USA  44106   
(216) 368-2982        lim@ins.cwru.edu
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:58:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: sscvx1.4OCT199209583805
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <F2i4RB3w165w@student.business.uwo.ca>, v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor K writes...
>My culture and upbringing dictates that I should respect other 
>people's opinions. But I also expect other people to do 
>likewise, especially when they tread on my country's name. 
>Propriety does not permit me to use vulgarity on this 
>newsgroup, though I'd very much like to tell Mr Godfrey here to 
>F&%K S@ID*R. You know Mr Godfrey, while there are no fines 
>right now for the offences you named, you'd better be careful. 
>Because if you do one day have the misfortune (ours, of 
>course) to land at Changi International Airport, the Airport 
>police will be mobilized just to check on your pants. If I 
>were you, I'd start wearing baggy pants.       
> 
> 
>--Vic
> 
I too respect other peoples culture and opinions when they are worthy
of respect.  I have been to Singapore and I didn't think much of it
at all - it seemed to me to be a country in which people were unreasonably
controlled and it is hardly a democracy, is it?

Strangely, I see no evidence in your reply to me of any respect for other
peoples opinions, or do you only respect them when they happen to coincide
with your own?

Laurence
Xref: sparky soc.culture.asean:6512 soc.culture.british:13327 soc.culture.australian:4420
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
From: jbfink@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Adder)
Date: 1 Oct 92 10:10:53 -0500
Organization: Legion of Dynamic Discord

In article <1992Sep30.194013.29018@umr.edu>, kc@ee.umr.edu (Kok Ching Ong) writes:
> In article <1992Sep30.154247.27065@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> renoir@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Khemdut Purang) writes:
> <stuff about toilet fines and toilet training deleted>
>>	theres no way singapore will be like switzerland any time
>>	soon with the whole population peeing in the streets.
>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^              
>>
>>	i say CHOP THEIR WILLIES OFF 
>>
>>
>>kpurang
> 
> Are you sure that the WHOLE population pee in the streets?  If so, it seems
> that 1/2 of the population won't have the so called "willies".  :) :)
> 
> 
> -- 
> Kok-Ching Ong                   | Disclaimer : the usual
> Internet: kc@ee.umr.edu         | 
> Bitnet  : s098621@umrvma        |
>              ... to seek peace and contentment.  


Wow!  Won't that play hell with the PAP's "Procreate, Procreate, Procreate and 
be Merry" scheme?  How will all this willie-less individuals have babies?


adder, manic singapore american school graduate '91
miami university oxford ohio
From: zaidin@castor (Zaimi Zaidin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Environment
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:34:47 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia

In article <q0arbagg@csv.warwick.ac.uk> espcs@warwick.ac.uk (Khen Hong) writes:
>Kurang ajar  

Or...Kurang Hajar!
From: goh@bode.usc.edu (K.C.Goh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: scholarship: a joke ? ( was: UM )
Date: 30 Sep 1992 21:49:55 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bode.usc.edu

In article <3285@peking.gdwb.oz.au> mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng) writes:
>goh@bode.usc.edu (K.C.Goh) writes:
>>At present, JPA gives out at least 10-20 (would this be 0.01%?
>>At least a few of these scholarships are given to those with no
>>connections whatsoever.  Trust me, I know, 'cos my brothers were
>
>Mr. Goh, with 1 billion riggit to spend a simple conservative
>calculation will put the number of scholarships down the drain as
>30 - 40000 thousands ? Secondly I am not denying that some 
>scholarships are given without any so called 'connections'.
>But even if 3 were given because of 'connections' out of say 10
>is already considered rampant. The whole issue here is not a matter
>of whether Chinese are given any scholarships or whether Chinese
>read any newspaperss (I am sure they do - certainly not less
>than the bumis), but the hard swallowing facts are that so many
>scholarships are given out by the government blindly
>(I hate to use the word) just because they are bumis and what is
>splashed (not even spilled) over come to the non-bumis. Are we then
>to bow our heads and be contended and thanksful ? And keep quiet...

Mee Teng, and you all out there,

Let me just emphasize that I was just pointing out in my post
that it is incorrect to imply that a non-bumi can only get 
a scholarship if the non-bumi has connections.

In no way did I attempt to refute Mee Teng's point that there
is apparently a grave injustice in the number of scholarships
awarded to the non-bumiputeras compared to their examination
results.  Clearly, from the numbers alone, there seems to be
an unforgivable waste of both human and financial resources.
The situation with regard to residential schools is a related
problem.

I am very curious though as to why no bumiputera students
have seen fit to comment on the situation.  Possibly
they agree with Mee Teng?

Regards

K.C. Goh



Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: psgoh@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au (Pauline S.C. Goh)
Subject: Re: Let's cut the crap....
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 04:22:48 GMT

Hey people...

I am one of those who follow soc.culture.asean because I am very 'hungry'
for news about my country - Malaysia. And although I enjoyed the humour, and
mud slinging around, I would appreciate some serious news about Malaysia.

We don't get up to date news here, and I depend quite alot on this newsgroup
for info....so....

Goh.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: bem30001@nusunix1.nus.sg (LEE CHEE HOE)
Subject: Re: Defense of S'pore; was about F16 & Mig29
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:09:34 GMT

sofjan mustopoh (smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: 
:   " LATE BREAKING NEWS "
:  Just receive  from Indonesian news agency "Antara"
: 
:     Malaysia and Indonesia has jointly starting the operation
:  "Hantam saja " in invading Singapore.
:
:     First sortie has flown over Singapore to deliver its ordinance
:   it has been reported that most of the bomb fall on orchard road.
:   Lucky Plaza and Mount Elizabeth hospital are in a state of destruction.
:   Meanwhile Singapore prepare to counter attack. it has been  a hectic 
:   day for reservist reporting back to their station. (Hope fully some still
:   remember  their code name . Just imagine watching tv  and there it is
:   "Rosegarden report to  Juong Depot " ) 
:
 Sorry to have to dampen your warring spirit, but there is such things
as a Republic of Singapore Air Force. And should that fail, we still
have I-Hawks, Rapiers and RBS 70 Anti Air Artilleries and 30mm Anti
Aircraft Guns.

P.S. why would the SAF recall its reservists to a Bus Interchange in
Jurong !!??!!???

:        Student of the three countries who studying abroad are taking 
:   matter to their own hands by fighting on the street of L.A, San Diego,
:   San Francisco, Portland oregon, Chicago,Dallas, Cleveland ohio,NY,
:   Atlanta Georgia, Melbourne Aus, Sydney, Perth, etc.....
 
Singapore students are not that rowdy please ..... Malaysian and
Indoesian students, they can speak for themselves (as in this posting).

:     Woon soon Lau,  Andy Tenka,  ATAN, Othman,Sofjan Mustopoh and any
:   body  who response to posting Defense of Spore are drafted by their
:   countries. since they know a little about anything in the war.
:
You mean the Malaysians and Indonesians are experienced? That's news!
Which wars have they fought in? The war in East Timor and the struggle
between Kelantan and K.L.?
:
:(stuff deleted)
 
   ***************************************************
:    If you still don't get it his is a JOKE !!!! :) |) 
:
Can you joke on some other matters than defence of a nation !! Very
sensitive you know !


n'toni Lee
National University of Singapore
School of Building and Estate Management

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Places to go (Was Re: Environment - Singapore)
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 02:21:26 GMT

ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:

KL being the capital should be more developed for tourist attraction especially
for its inhabitants, who can also be considered "tourists".

How many of you are aware of the hot spring at "setapak". It could be as
good as the one at "poring", if only it were developed.

It may be a good place to unwind after the hard office work.

I lived at Taman Sri Watan, off Jalan Bukit Belachan(?), where there is
supposed to be a water fall, and a lot of films were taken there.
	I tried to see the water fall but can't seem to be able to see the
"true waterfall", instead, I saw a resevoir.
	Maybe the waterfall had been destroyed by the water reservoir.

The stream there look so polluted with lots of litter. I know the standard
argument of asking people not to litter but that is not the solution.
	The solution is for KL council to employ people to clean up the place
and put more rubbish bins which must be collected regularly.
	If you do not do this, Malaysia will remain as dirty as it is. Sabah
looks cleaner just by doing that, there is no magic involved and Sabahans are
not more disciplined. The same is true to Singapore.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet