HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:39:37 GMT

linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden) writes:
: 
: Come on, what's all this bullshit, and why do I have to spell
: it out?
: 
: There is no "lethal dose" of LSD.

Well, Peter. Let us just say that no lethal dose has been established.
For one thing, it would be rather hard to get the multiple grams of the
material together to do the testing.

: There is no "lethal dose" of marijuana.

Not by smoking - there might be by injesting the pure THC.

: The only way those two medicants could kill you is if you're
: stomped by the police trying to find the evidence.
: 
: I don't personally indulge in either of these, but for goodness
: sake lets deal with facts not official war-on-intelligence b/s/

I agree that it would be extremely difficult to injest a lethal
quantity of either drug - at least, in street strengths. I think
any statement in the FAQ should say that it is unknown/unproven.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Death from Caffeine (was Re: caffeine myths)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:59:07 GMT

bsimon@elvis.stsci.edu (Bernie Simon) writes:
: 
: Coffee contains oils which can irritate the digestive track. People
: who have digestive problems of any kind should try abstaining from
: coffee for a while to see if their condition improves. This includes
: decaf coffee, which has the same oils. Homeopaths are also down on
: coffee because it often antidotes homeopathic remedies.

Well, since homeopathic remedies boarder on the imaginary - as far as
concentration of substance - I doubt if it makes much difference. 

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: Halcion Horror?
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 10:36:32 GMT

All I've ever seen is lots of noize about Halcion and very little signal...
A slightly higher occurance of side effects, but a much higher usage overall.
All benzodiazepines can cause neuropsychiatric side-effects.  Halcion
is the most prescribed benzodiazepine, QED its the most overused and
improperly prescribed benzodiazepine, QED it has the worst side effect
profile for the entire population that uses it.  Replace it with another
short half-life benzo, and I'll bet you start seeing the same effects
from the replacement drug.

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
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From: nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu (Nicholas C. Weaver)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Date: 17 Dec 1992 17:55:00 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec17.024619.24224@fy.chalmers.se> smidt@fy.chalmers.se (Peter Smidt) writes:
>In article <92348.143452U56673@uicvm.uic.edu> U56673@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>>There is a leathal dose of ANYTHING (with the exception of air).
>
>Wrong. Air to is lethal. At 80 meters depth divers can be intoxicated
>by normal compressed air, because the partial pressure of oxygen
>is so high that it starts to make some *very* rapid oxidation of
>your nerves and also breaking down the cells. 

	That's actually the nitrogen that causes it around 80 feet.  You
have to up the pressure on the o2 a bit more before the oxygen gets toxic.
-- 
Nicholas C. Weaver                                nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu
It is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, .signifying nothing.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mch6@ellis.uchicago.edu (Huitzilopochtli)
Subject: Re: Marijuana article in local paper
Reply-To: mch6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:09:27 GMT

paz, H.
From: mjcrouch@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Matt J. Crouch)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: strychnine?
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:15:44 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Dept. of CS Ball State University Muncie IN

Maybe i'm missing something.  Why does LSD-blotted doses supposely
contain strychnine?  What is its purpose (if any).  It seems to make
more sense to leave out the strychnine since it doesn't seem to pertain
to the actual halluincegic (s.p?) properties, or does it?
-mAtt
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Washington Post on Qat
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:35:35 GMT

In article <1gqit7INN812@mirror.digex.com>, backpack@access.digex.com (Stuart Reges) transcibes:
>			    On the Lookout for Qat
>		  Marines Guard Against Somali's Favored Drug
>			     By Keith B. Richburg

>"We like to work at night because we see better than they do," said Peck, the
>Marine spokesman, alluding to the American's use of night-vision equipment.
>"And also we know from their drug habits that they are bummed out and hung over
>then."
>
>He added, "This is probably the only campaign that takes account of the drug
>habits of its potential adversaries."

I guess the marines put their least educated officers on "spokesman" duty. 
I'd hate to think this guy was commanding troops in the field.  Taking
adversaries' drug habits into account goes back at least to the American
Revolution, when George Washington attacked the British the day after
Christmas because he knew the hessians would be hung over from drinking the
previous day.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Shrooms
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:09:37 GMT
Organization: Lexington Public Access Unix. -KY- (606) 255-9121

In article <1gnp11INN727@menudo.uh.edu> st1qb@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>Wow, I never had to buy shrooms before.  Just always picked them myself.
>I guess some areas just aren't as lucky....
>
>Later....
>Dave
>st1qb@jetson.uh.edu

I'm pretty sure that shrooms don't grow in late fall/winter.

-- 
Chad Helfenberger
(chelf@lunatix.uucp) 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bbe001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: Transportation of controlled substa
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:09:51 GMT

In article <kf_kwgK00WB6Q1PqYE@andrew.cmu.edu>, Steve Neas <sn15+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Excerpts from netnews.alt.drugs: 11-Dec-92 Re: Transportation of contr..
> by Eric Sterling@igc.apc.or 
>> Carrying drugs on an airplane flight is stupid.  The risks are high.  You
>> are subject to search for suspicion of weapons.  Baggage will be x-rayed.
>> You go through a metal detector.  If you set it off, and your keys, pens,
>> coins, etc. once removed don't quiet the machine security goes over you
>> with a wand.
> 
> If all you need to do is walk through the metal detector, would there be
> any problem with carrying non-metal substances undetected?  Just in a
> pocket or something like that. 

Well this past Thanksgiving, a friend < :) > of mine went back home on a
plane... Said he got the shit scared out of him b/c he had an 1/8th of bud in
his pocket and his belt buckle kept setting the walk-thru detector off, so he
had to be molested with one of the hand-held X-Ray wands.He said the guy
brushed the wand right over his bag, till it beeped all over his belt buckle.
The best way to do it would be the old crotch-it method. Do this right before
you go thru the X-rays in the nearest bathroom stall. Then you can put it back
in your pocket, carry-on, whatever in a bathroom after the X-rays. NEVER put it
in your carry-on thru the X-rays b/c the security people might want to see what
it is b/c it would probably look kind of funny. I had another friend whose dad
worked for TWA or someone, and he said that they have drug-sniffing dogs that 
WALK OVER everyone's check-thru luggage when it's on those big conveyor belts!
Dunno if it's true....scary isn't it? Just crotch that bud, you'll be cool.

Just think of how much bud and other shit will be walking in peoples' pants in
the airports of the world this X-Mas. ;)
Brad

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions)
Subject: Medicinal marijuana?
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 21:21:36 GMT


By Next Surgeon General

Masijuana and condoms backed [talk about your misleading headlines!]

Little Rock, Ark. -- President-elect Clinton's choice for U.S. surgeon
general said Saturday shw will advocate the medicinal use of marijuana,
and will support distributing condoms from high-school based health
clinics around the country.

If physicians feel marijuana "would be beneficial for use by the patient ...
it should be available," said Dr. Joycelyn Elders, director of the
Arkansas Health Department.

Federal law bars the use of marijuana as medicine.

Dr. Elders, 59, a Little Rock pediatrician, has battle conservative groups
in Arkansas by promoting the distribution of contraceptives at school-based
health clinics to combat AIDS and teen-aged pregnancy.

[Sunday Star News, Wilmington, NC, Sunday, December 20, 1992]

Reproduced without commercial intent
under the "fair use" provisions
of copyright law.


-- 
Zack Sessions
sessions@seq.uncwil.edu
University of North Carolina at Wilmington (Alumnus)
"Good health is merely the slowest form of dying."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)
Subject: Re: "Drugs" threaten democracy in former Soviet Union
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:27:24 GMT

In article <18347@borg.cs.unc.edu> bell@beethoven.cs.unc.edu (Andrew Bell) writes:
}In article <1992Dec13.101825.6642@genie.slhs.udel.edu> starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) writes:
}>In article <1992Dec13.014708.23150@netcom.com> oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev) writes:
}>}Clinton was not my choice for President, but he's a better choice than
}>}Bush.
}
}>Perhaps, but not on the grounds of any enlightened views on drug policy.
}
}I'm surprised no one has mentioned this, but Clinton's debate answer on
}drugs was actually more enlightened than that of Perot or Bush.
}Unfortunately I cannot quote verbatim, but he said that he didn't think
}legalizing (something like) harder or more addictive drugs was a good idea.
}There was sufficient leeway in his answer to think that he might consider
}legalizing "softer" drugs.

This is the optimistic line, which I first heard from SF-NORML.  They
were sure that Billary was only talking about cocaine, not hemp.  I still
maintain that the claims he actually did make, rather than those he might
have left room for but didn't make, weren't any better than those of either
of his opponents.

Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly
starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu

"True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten
oneself and others." - Francois Marie Arouet Voltaire
From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Cryptos vs. Druggies
Date: 13 Dec 1992 08:34:13 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cobra.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec12.231820.1@vax.sonoma.edu> feinstei@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>
>in article <92345.14014934AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET>, <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> (whoever
>that is) writes:
>
>>In article <dbarber.723951119@crash.cts.com>, dbarber@crash.cts.com (David C.
>>Barber) says:
>>>
>>>PGP here seems to refer to a public key cypher system, while in
>>>alt.drugs they are discussing PGP as something found in mushrooms.

Heh.  Heh.  Heh heh.  Hahahahafucking ha.

Take a chill pill, my lads.

If I actually led anyone to believe that PGP is something found in
mushrooms, I deeply apologize; I did not realize that anyone could
be quite so clueless as to believe such a post.

I am a reformed man.  In future I shall exercise far greater
caution in the presence of waterheads.  The sharp things will
stay in the cupboard and we will hang peace and love on the
walls; and I'll fry up some harmony and eggs.

c
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives,sci.med
From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:57:33 GMT

rxg3321@ultb.isc.rit.edu (R.X. Getter) writes:
>>There is no "lethal dose" of LSD.
>
>I don't know if this has any relevance, but I read a recent article in
>Newsweek about a man who was murdered by a lethal dose of LSD served to him
>in jello. If there is interest, I can get the date, the page, and the text
>of the article. (it was very short)

That was a heart attack due to the psychological effect of LSD.  Not a
toxic effect of LSD itself.

>>There is no "lethal dose" of marijuana.
>
>I imagine it carries the same or similar potential risk to cigarettes.

That is not a lethal dose, that is a chronic toxicity.  Marijuana probably
has chronic toxicity (lung carcinogenesis and irritation), while it has
no known lethal dose in humans.  Tobacco has both a chronic toxicity and
a lethal dose (try eating a few cigars sometime...).

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 18:38:32 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

>>There is a leathal dose of ANYTHING (with the exception of air)  You can OD and
>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Oxygen is toxic, has narcotic effects and is possibly carcinogenic
>(in high doses, over extended periods of time).
>
>	J

Oxygen =/=  air
-- 
"A horse! A horse! Somebody give me a horse, man, because|glazier@ 
I come to bury this dirtball, not to praise him. Whaddya |harvard.isr.edu
think I am? Whether it's nobler for the mind to make people suffer with all
these totally outrageous arrows arrows for a fortune, or what!" -- D.R.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Season of the .. Sneeze..
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:55:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.234740.26256@netcom.com> cliftonr@netcom.com (Pope Clifton) writes:
>  Is it possible they were thinking of "Seldane", American brand name for
>a prescription anti-histamine?  It was discovered this year that Seldane has
>potentially lethal effects on the liver when combined with any of several 
>other common drugs, including erythromycin.  I was taking Seldane at the time,
>so I remember quite vividly hearing about it.  "WHAT did that guy on the 
>radio just say?"

Seldane is the non-sedating antihistamine terfenadine.  It doesn't have
"lethal effects on the liver"; rather, it is substantially metabolized
by the liver, and when given with drugs such as the antifungal
ketoconazole or the antibiotic erythromycin, which inhibit
terfenadine's metabolism, the drug can accumulate and reach levels
which cause certain heart arrhythmias.  Strangely enough, a similar
warning regarding drug interactions was released by the FDA a few weeks
later for a completely different, chemically unrelated non-sedating
antihistamine Hismanal (astemizole).

The fact that these are both popular non-sedative antihistamines is
(I believe) a coincidence.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Explained: Mock Marij. License
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:33:36 GMT
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In article <Mf=XFlq00Vp_EM5XQk@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew writes:
>So my point is, if people are used to years of totally illegal
>use, what's going to make them pay 50 or $200 per year to avoid the
>lesser consequences, when they've been paying nothing for years with the
>danger of being caught with the present laws?

Many people want to keep their record clean, and also it's often
practical to "conform" to society's norms.  If it's legal as the
proposal, much of the social stigma and legal dangers are gone (when
you pay $$).

I think Finland had a similar situation when the prohibtion of alcohol
endee.  During the prohibition, alcohol was illegal and distilling
alcohol at home or buying illegal alcohol was common - after the
prohibition most people probably switched to buying their alcohol from
the government stores (for a high price) even when they could have
continued to distill it at home or by from illegal distilleries.  It's
just a lot easier and less less risky to conform to the laws when the
legal option isn't that much more expensive.  I think the Finnish
price of alcohol is very much near the maximum of when "crime starts
to pay" and become more common and more accepted.

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.psychology,alt.dreams,sci.med
Subject: Re: sleep paralysis /hypnogic hallucinations/ night terrors
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:25:21 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <ffb2l4a@rpi.edu> kaminl@aix.rpi.edu (Matt Garretson) writes:

>At the end of one semester in college, I stayed awake for almost 5 days 
>straight. I was popping Vivarins for the last 2 days. They seemed to keep me
>going, but I really crashed at the end. I'm lucky I didn't go into
>cardiac arrest or anything. This is not a recommended thing to do.
>

It's amazing what kids will do when first "liberated" from their
parents!

>An interesting thing was, that the combination of misery from too much
>work to do and the sleep deprivation and the onslought of caffeine
>gave me what seemed like "waking nightmares" or something. Maybe they
>were just bouts of panic, but my perspective was kinda whacked at the time.

They were hallucinations.  You need REM sleep, which occurs with
dreaming.  If you don't sleep long enough, you'll start getting
the REM sleep while you're awake, and the dreams will occur
as hallucinations.


-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: "Drugs" threaten democracy in former Soviet Union
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:29:42 GMT

tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: >
: >Who said anything about paying them? No, I wouldn't starve them. However,
: >a very bland vegetarian diet would probably do wonders at gaining their
: >cooperation.
: 
:      AHEM!
: 
:      Something wrong with a vegetarian diet? B->

Note that I said "very bland". Most people like to be able to taste their
food.

: >: I think that for property crimes anyway, they should get time taken off
: >: only if and when they fully repay their victim for all damages (like
: >: half off).   Whether they get this money from making shoes in prison
: >: or by borrowing it all from a relative is not important.  Making the
: >: victim whole again financialy is the most important goal.
: >
: >Agreed.
: 
:      Wonderful. A criminal justice system that discriminates even more
: between rich and poor. No thank you. 

Well, it all depends on who you want in prison. I would prefer that the
violent people were there. Then, if there were room, those that steal
from others or destroy their property. 

Our justice system already allows this. Even if it is not official. A
good lawyer - delaying tactics - offers to pay off the victim - all
these allow the rich to excape punishment for their crimes. I doubt if
we will be able to change the legal system to remove this advantage
for the rich.

Bill
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From: chroma@hoptoad.uucp (Steve in the Secret Labs)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Date: 19 Dec 92 04:30:46 GMT
Reply-To: chroma@hoptoad.UUCP (Steve in the Secret Labs)
Organization: Skyline Genetic Engineering

In article <1992Dec17.024015.24110@fy.chalmers.se> smidt@fy.chalmers.se (Peter Smidt) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.034414.15916@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>>	There is simply no connection between strychnine and LSD.  One is
>>a drug, the other is a deadly pest poison.
>
>LSD is a deadly poison too. Take a spoon full... Strychnine will reduce
>pain to athletics and is therefore forbidden.
>-- 
>+=======================================+
>"The whole valley is like a smorgasbord."
>					-- TREMORS

Uh, how does one respond to uh, something like this. The whole problem
is that it is hard to find a real fatal dose of LSD and there is a good
chance that you would survive after consuming a teaspoon worth of it.
With such issues it is good to be careful about statements like that.
Although one could kill oneself with salt, we don't consider it a deadly
poison. The amount of people who might die from consuming a teaspoon of
salt is miniscule. 

Now where did that legend about Strychnine start? Being that it is
a CNS stimulant that causes convulsions, it's usefulness as an analgesic
or pain-killing agent is virtually non-existant. Gasp, where do such
pharmacological legends get started?? I could see athletes using it in
the belief that is a stimulant, because if one looks at some of the weird
brew bodybuilders are happy to consume, it is clear some people will
try almost anything, anything, anything. :)



			Be Seeing You,
                           Steve


reply:chroma@toad.com
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Muffavore)
Subject: Children Slaughtered in Massive Deleterious Uprising
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:15:53 PST

In article <1992Dec13.181635.21958@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, rxg3321@ultb.isc.rit.edu (R.X. Getter) writes:
> I don't know if this has any relevance, but I read a recent article in
> Newsweek about a man who was murdered by a lethal dose of LSD served to him
> in jello. If there is interest, I can get the date, the page, and the text
> of the article. (it was very short)

	Yeah, what a credible source!  NOT!  These are the same yellow
journalist shitbag scum who brought you the advertising campaign:  "...who
wants to raise children in the age of <something bad>, <something bad>, and
heavy metal?"  Can you say, "SENSATIONALIST SHIT"?
	I don't doubt they printed it, but I warn you to avoid taking some of
their stuff seriously.  I'd like to ask (in the round), however, if there is
such a thing as a physical allergy to LSD that could be fatal?  I have heard of
similar conditions applied to marijuana but never verified; I have no
chemistry, and very little printed matter on this that I'd credit.  
	One thought:  My high school, although run by fascists, kept a special
section on drug literature.  It wasn't drug literature like "Everybody Trip
NOW!" or "Drugs = Satan = Your Death & Mine" (similar to Tripper Gore's famous
"rock = satan = your childrens' demise") but watered-down scientific-style
factual stuff.  It was kind of cool that they did that -- wait, it was the one
cool thing about high school...

Muffavore
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