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From: 2ftohaul@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: BOYCOTT: Boycott Colorado
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:09:46 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1dltvkINNf50@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, GE777009@brownvm.brown.edu (j. cole-steele) writes:
> I disagree. this newsgroup is about skiing, and issues related
> to skiing. if we were talking about the parking problems of
> most ski resorts, or the price of lift tickets rising,
> or problems with housing at ski resorts, would you direct
> our conversation to rec.skiing.parking_problems? or some
> other newsgroup?
> 
> What happened in CO with ballot measure 2 is very important
> to the ski industry.  It will keep many vacationers from
> spending their money in that state. it will affect many
> of the resorts that we discuss on this newsgroup.
> 
It will also keep many vacationers spending money in the state.  
An exit poll during the presidential election asked how many people
think that the government should advocate traditional family values and how 
many think that the gov't should tolerate non traditional family 
values.  68% said gov't should advocate traditional family values.
These people are going to ski in Colorado with a fine conscience.

> Colorado is not a country unto itself.  This boycott,
> and talking about the boycott is a way of showing CO that
> the legislation is not well received.  When the discourse
> is stifled is when it can happen in your state, and who
> will be there to protest on your behalf?
> 
> I'm sure that many of you are sympathetic to the cause, but
> the "out of sight, out of mind" school of thought is not the way
> to try and get something accomplished. Maybe you aren't sympathetic
> and you figure that what CO does is its own business. Be that as
> it may, just keep in mind that legislation like this opens
> the flood gates of discrimination. It may just sweep you away in
> its wave next.

Well, if you don't think for yourself.  Doom and gloom.

> 
> jcs who will not be skiing in CO this year.

CAT will be skiing like crazy in CO this year and has encouraged
four other people to do so.  He will continue skiing in CO as much
as possible.

--
Charles A. Thompson
Listen to Rush Limbaugh!






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From: tp923083@redwood.canberra.edu.au (Simon Porritt)
Subject: BIGFEET
Keywords: do wah diddy diddy dum diddy do
Organization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:04:32 GMT


Hey, does anyone know anything about those little skis called 'Bigfeet'
?
They look kinda cool.

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From: michael@pullet.lanl.gov (Michael I Angerman)
Subject: aspen to crested butte
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:10:08 GMT


there is a nice trail thru the maroon bells wilderness area
that takes you from the maroon bells parking lot to scofield pass,
then you can ski along the road to crested butte.
this is not recommended as a day trip.

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Tahoe Condition
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 17:51:20 GMT

It's cloudy outside (threatening).  In the upper 40s (temp).
Hope it dumps.  Probably won't.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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From: kreider@axon.ee.upenn.edu (Greg Kreider)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: BOYCOTT: Boycott Colorado
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:29:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Wow.  Just three weeks ago r.s'ers were out to roll back ticket prices with
a crippling industy-wide boycott.

Now social reform!

Is there nothing that can stop these madcap skiers when they put their minds
and their pocketbooks to it?

Greg K.
kreider@axon.ee.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Ms. Information and the Humor Challenged (was: Something about Vail)
From: carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898)
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:57:37 GMT
Organization: L.A. Dept. of Water & Power

In article <1992Nov4.221815.13954@fcom.cc.utah.edu> klaus@ced.utah.edu writes:
>In article 031192224325@kip2-14.apple.com, jpugh@apple.com (Jon Pugh) writes:
>> > See Wayne... It DOES work.
>> > 
>> > :) Heh Heh Heh...
>> > 
>> > Great resort - Vail, yup.

>>  Disinformation and the attempt to fool people doesn't say
>> anything good about the people participating in these discussions.  All it
>> shows is a petty selfish attitude and an unwillingness to help.
>
>Parody is oft confused with disinformation or disrespect to the humor
>challenged. Selfish.. maybe. Petty, No. Try living in a ski town. You

Poor, poor Klaus.  Imagine how insufferable it must be living in a ski
town.  You gotta feel sorry for him.

>> 
>> Granted, Klaus is about as opaque as glass in his comments
>
>Exactly. Anyone so serious that they take the sarcasm and humor as
>legit, I would much rather have peeing in someones yard in Vail.

But the point is, it isn't funny.  Few jokes are funny the 5th time, none
the 1000th.  And sarcasm can just be whining in disguise, especially
the 1000th time.

>If you are bothered by having to wade through my posts, learn to use a
>kill file. I'm sure your news administrator will help. If not, eMail me
>and I will tell you how you can put me in your kill file and you never
>need here from me again.

Everytime I see posts like Kauses (every bleedin day) I think to myself:
How could I be so original, why couldn't I have thought up something
so witty and fresh.

>Now as for validity of responses and "correct" information... 90% the
>information on this group is subjective. Most replies to the "What is

Yes, 90% of the questions are subjective.  So it makes sense that 90%
of the answers are going to be subjective also.  But the important
thing is that we share our experiences.  And have a little fun. Or
don't share our experiences.  Just remember everybody:

	SKI VAIL is actually a code word for SKI ALTA

>conversation. So.. until I get more "hate" mail... ( oh boy... here it comes
>:), I will continue to post what I wish.. and let the reader beware.
>
>Just say "huh?" to the net.police.

I certainly don't want to stifle your creativity.

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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213.481.7898			L.A. CA 90012
From: astinus+@pitt.edu (Mark E Porterfield)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: BOYCOTT: Boycott Colorado
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:41:10 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1dpgtqINN31a@marvin.solbourne.com> gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.150947.44594@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> 2ftohaul@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>An exit poll during the presidential election asked how many people
>>think that the government should advocate traditional family values and how 
>>many think that the gov't should tolerate non traditional family 
>>values.  68% said gov't should advocate traditional family values.
>>These people are going to ski in Colorado with a fine conscience.
>
>Any statistic can be bent to serve your needs.  Government should
>govern, it shouldn't advocate ANY values, be they family or non
>family. 
>
>(But this explains a lot, Charlie.  Wake up. Clinton won.)
>
>/-----------------------------------------------------------------/
>/ Andy Gerber		     / gerber@solbourne.com [for a while] /
>/ ParcPlace Boulder, formerly Solbourne Software Business Unit    /
>/-----------------------------------------------------------------/ 

JESUS PEOPLE....I'm here to read about skiing..get it..."REC.SKIIN"?

We all have to live together ... be we black, white, yellow, green, or
GAY...Just deal.  I work with at least one Gay person and we get along great.
NO MATTER who you are (white heterosexual included) you will at one time
(AT LAEST) in you life be discriminated against.  We ALL go through it.
i have to say that all you people who are wining about the amendment
really bother me.  You don't come across as people fighting for anything.
You tell us to BOYCOTT but you don't give us the impression that we have
a choice in the matter.  It's boycott or your BAD.  pocket books can be
helped in other ways...If lift ticket sales are down they can be attributed to
bad weather...lack of incentives...more competition..ooooooohhhh yeah the
resession...oooppps democratic president (money shift to savings etc).
Gee, think about this (for ONCE).
If you REALLy want to do something have us write letters to the state.
That way BOTH CO-skiers and non CO-skiers can participate.  All you have to say
is that you are a tourist and you are upset.  It will get the point across.

Just for the record I have never had a problem with gays...Of course, I would
hire based on ability alone.  

Mark E. Porterfield
ISA PSC
From: powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Lake Louise open
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:46:14 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta


Lake Louise in Banff, Canada will open Nov.11 with limited number
of lifts operating and reduced prices. Plenty of bare patches.
Making snow. Bring your rock skis.
From: bohner@alnitak.usc.edu (Wolfgang Bohner)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Info on new skis wanted !
Date: 10 Nov 1992 15:21:44 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alnitak.usc.edu


Before I spend hundreds of dollars on new skis, I would like to hear some
of your opinions first.

I ski for 24 years, all terrain. I enjoy mostly moguls and extreme steep runs.
I keep my skis extremely parrallel and ski aggressively. I try to avoid blue/
groomed runs.

A friend in Europe recommended me the 

	Dynastar Extreme  SL or Vertical Assault.

Does anybody have any experience with these skis? Are there any good alter-
natives?
I saw the Dynastar Extreme Vertical Assault '91/92 model for $240. Is that a
good deal?

Thanks for your help !

			Wolfgang.
From: gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: BOYCOTT: Boycott Colorado
Date: 10 Nov 1992 08:59:03 -0700
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin-gw.solbourne.com

As a gay man, avid skiier, and Colorado resident, I have to advocate
this Colorado boycott.  Don't ski Colorado.  Especially, don't ski
Loveland, Copper, Cooper, A-Basin, or Winter Park.  Don't visit
Colorado, don't drive I-70.  Ski Tahoe.  Ski Alta.  Ski Killington.

Don't ski Vail.

Now, I can't really avoid skiing Colorado, given that I live here,
but you can.  And the decrease in I-70 traffic, shorter lift
lines, less crowded lodges... I'll manage.

Andy
-- 
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/ ParcPlace Boulder, formerly Solbourne Software Business Unit    /
/-----------------------------------------------------------------/
From: mluoto@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Markku Luoto)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: skiing in Poland / east Europe
Date: 9 Nov 92 11:21:54 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


Hello,
	I`m interested in all info anyone might have on skiing (alpine)
	in eastern Europe... like Poland, Checkoslowackia etc...

Please care to respond by E-mail if you have anything on the subject,
	even if you only know where to get more...


.

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From: green@are.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Green)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Some S. California resorts to open Thursday, 11/12!
Date: 12 Nov 1992 16:11:55 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley, Agr & Res Economics
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: are.berkeley.edu

Where is Bear Mountain??    

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From: grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson)
Subject: Re: Boycott Colorado
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 18:53:29 GMT
Keywords:  politically incorrect, uzi, go for it

In article <1992Nov6.024044.11203@edsr.eds.com> hkelly@tantalum.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg) writes:

>Jeeze, it's getting hard to be the new-age sensitive guy that I obviously
>am, and still have a good time!  Last year it was boycott Utah for their
>conservative stance on abortion.  And how can you ski Idaho with a good
>concience with all those nazis in Coeur d'Alene?  And Canada just rejected
>the proposition to allow Quebec the status as a "separate culture," so
>they're apparently a bunch of bigot pigs.  I don't know about Oregon and
>Washington, but there *must* be something politically incorrect that
>someone has done there.  What's a mutha to do?

Start packing an Uzi, thereby both joining and rising above the ranks of
the politically incorrect in one swell foop.  You can then ski wherever you
want.  Cutting lines becomes a piece of cake.

Oh yeah, and no one laughs when you wipe out.
-- 
Grant Robinson -- ClariNet Communications Corp, Sunnyvale, CA (408)-296-0366
From: selick@csa.bu.edu (Steven Selick)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: MA: Flurries in the western hills?
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:41:01 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: selick@csa


I read in a weather report that there would be "flurries in the western
hills" this weekend. Does this mean that Wa-Wa-chusset will be opening
soon? How about the Berkshire ski resorts? 

-Steve
selick@csa.bu.edu

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From: kflorek@mtholyoke.edu (Kim Florek)
Subject: Aspen Open?
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 14:52:21 GMT


Does anyone know when Aspen opens?  A friend of mine is traveling that way
from the east coast next week on business and couldn't decide if she should
pack her skis.


Thanks,
Kim
OFFICIAL EX-SKI BUM
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Ms. Information and the Humor Challenged (was: Something about Vail)
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 23:08:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.202901.27055@col.hp.com> rstern@col.hp.com
(Richard Stern) writes:
>Pros of Vail:
	Fine list of Pros.

>Cons of Vail:
>1) It can be very crowded.

That's not a con.  Hey some people like it crowded.  More people to
look at you and your spouse's flashy powder suit.

>trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>> I can't understand why anyone would ski Vail, for the same reason I
>> don't understand why anyone would live on the East or West coasts.

I can understand.  Sort of.

It's a status symbol to some people.
Correction, It's THE status symbol to some people.
Skiing is a status symbol to some people.

It's a place where people can throw their money around for a while.
It is a goal, or objective, a passion for their lives.

It's a place where you can "rub elbows" with Robin Leach and the Lifestyles
of the Rich and Famous.

It has some nice snow and some nice terrain.

Chris Webster made some point that that place is fake.  Well so is Dizzyland
and Dizzyworld and people like that.  It's like the EPCOT Center where
different countries are represented.  And people whould like to do and
see all this with their ski boots on.  For most Americans, it's cheaper than
going to Europe.  I'm not quite certain what Chris means by a linear city.
I thought the Bay Area was filled with linear cities.  And frankly if you
are in the computer biz, it would SEEM some what silly not to live in the
Santa Clara Valley (but hey, most of you don't, and I'm glad of that, then
most readers are more computer users than developers).

Vail is a fine resort.							3.0
Part I of II.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: cyrus@athena.mit.edu (Baka is my Name)
Subject: Boot question of the month.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:34:13 GMT


Hi. I was wondering if anybody had experience with those boots that use foam to
mold to your foot shape.

In particular, any comments about the Salomon SX-92?

Thanks,

______________________________________________
Yow! Maybe I should have asked for my Neutron 
Bomb in PAISLEY--
----------------------------------------------
Cyrus H. Shaoul           cyrus@athena.mit.edu
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From: dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com (Dave Buehmann)
Subject: Re: Colorado Pass?
Reply-To: dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix-Intergraph
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:11:29 GMT

In article <1dlrq3INNd2p@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM (Chuck Brunson - Sun BOS Corporate Software Engineering) writes:
|> I'll be moving to Colorado soon and I was talking to someone this weekend who 
|> told me about something called a "Colorado Pass", he said its like a season
|> pass for Colorado residents and is good at all Colorado ski areas. He wasn't
|> sure if it was a season pass or more like a discount card.
|> If anyone has information this deal I'd appreciate your sending it on to me.
|> Info like how much does it cost, where do you get one, who can I call for
|> more info, etc. TIA

If you mean the "Colorado Card", it is a discount card for use at Vail
and Beaver Creek ONLY.  Vail claims they will not be offering ANY other
discounts this year... no GoldC, no Denver Post coupons.  They claim
they got severely ripped off last year from people selling coupons for
profit as well as people using other discount cards for numerous tickets
on one day.  Since everyone on this group knows that Vail Sucks (tm),
I won't go into details.

There are other discount cards/coupon books available for most other
Colorado resorts, including GoldC discount coupons, Ski The Summit Card,
and the ASA SkiAmericard.  Generally speaking, Ski the Summit has the best
discounts (usually by $1), though it's only good at Keystone, Breckenridge, 
A-basin, and Copper.  Next best is the GoldC book, followed by ASA, though
ASA typically has discounts for more resorts and has better lodging,
equipment, and services (e.g. tuning) discounts.
 

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|>  You're NEVER too old to play! 		Work Phn. (508)671-0527


BOYCOTT COLORADO!  Make my (ski) day.


Dave Buehmann         Voice:    (303) 581-2318
Intergraph (Dazix)    Fax:      (303) 581-9972
5101 Spine Road       Internet: dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com
Boulder, CO  80301
From: haskins@mipps.myapc.com (Robert D. Haskins)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Vermont/N.E. Open??
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:17:30 GMT
Organization: Maine Yankee, Wiscasset, Maine  USA

Sugarloaf *is* open.  Lift tickets are $10 WITH a can of food (to be donated
to a worthy cause).  They had 2 lifts with 3-5 trails open last I heard.

Bob Haskins
haskins@mipps.myapc.com
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Aspen Open?
Date: 9 Nov 92 08:20:06 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

Aspen is already open.  18" base, 16% open.
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Computer drone, powder churner                                     ISSC Boulder
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: fritz@mail.boi.hp.com (Larry Payton)
Subject: Re: Ms. Information and the Humor Challenged (was: Something about Vail)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:15:00 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Carlson Peters x7898 (carlson@dwp.la.ca.us) wrote:
: In article <1992Nov4.221815.13954@fcom.cc.utah.edu> klaus@ced.utah.edu writes:
: >In article 031192224325@kip2-14.apple.com, jpugh@apple.com (Jon Pugh) writes:
: >> > See Wayne... It DOES work.
: >> > 
: >> > :) Heh Heh Heh...
: >> > 
: >> > Great resort - Vail, yup.
: 
: >
: >Parody is oft confused with disinformation or disrespect to the humor
: >challenged. Selfish.. maybe. Petty, No. Try living in a ski town. You
: 
: Poor, poor Klaus.  Imagine how insufferable it must be living in a ski
: town.  You gotta feel sorry for him.
: 
: 
: But the point is, it isn't funny.  Few jokes are funny the 5th time, none
: the 1000th.  And sarcasm can just be whining in disguise, especially
: the 1000th time.
 Funny thing about humor: it is subjective (we find Klaus to be very humorous).
: 
: 
: Everytime I see posts like Kauses (every bleedin day) I think to myself:
 Everytime I see posts from Klaus (not often enough) I say to myself right
 on big K.
: 
: Yes, 90% of the questions are subjective.  So it makes sense that 90%
: of the answers are going to be subjective also.  But the important
: thing is that we share our experiences.  And have a little fun. Or
: don't share our experiences.  Just remember everybody:
: 
: 	SKI VAIL is actually a code word for SKI ALTA
	SKI VAIL is really a code word for SKI MAMMOTH
          70,000 LAites can't be that wrong dude!! 
: 
: >conversation. So.. until I get more "hate" mail... ( oh boy... here it comes
: >:), I will continue to post what I wish.. and let the reader beware.
: >
: >Just say "huh?" to the net.police.
  
          Keep having fun Klaus !!

 The net lurkers from Bungo just had to speak.
     Larry Payton  &  Keith Braunwalder 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: kflorek@mtholyoke.edu (Kim Florek)
Subject: Re: Snow in Colorado
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:43:37 GMT

trdavis@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov wrote:
> In <1992Nov2.180119.22849@ncar.ucar.edu> ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern) writes:
> 
> >In article <dennisp.720470626@kpc.com>, dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston) writes:
> >> I'm sitting in my office in Frisco, CO watching these Ominous clouds
> >> roll over Buffalo Mountain. Could it be!? Keystone opens Tomorrow!?
> >> I'll post again if there's enough snow to ski!! (why rely on old snow
> >> reports when a netter lives in Summit County?). Git Some Air!
> 
> >I'm sitting in my office in Boulder, CO watching snowflakes gently
> >float down through the air.  Not enough to ski on, though.
> 
> O.K. that is enough rubbing it in. I can't take it anymore. I'm sitting in my
> office in Houston, TX and it is not snowing.
> 
> P.S. Does anyone remember getting a 15 run ticket at Brighton UT for $5.00.
> 
> --
> |Tracy R. Davis 
 

	I don't remember 15 run tickets at Brighton, but I do remember
	$7.00-$10.00 all day tickets.  

	The GOOD 'OLE DAYS !

	Kim.
 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: shin@news.Colorado.EDU (Mark Shin)
Subject: 	Phone #'s for Colo. ski conditions.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: cu
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:22:21 GMT

Does anyone have a list of phone numbers for Colo. ski 
conditions?  I'm hoping that there is one for the Summit
areas and a few more for Vail, Steamboat and Crusty Butt.

Thanks in advance for any available info.

	- Mark
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: wohlenbe@inter-tel.com (Greg Wohlenberg)
Subject: Alternative to bibs
Reply-To: wohlenbe@inter-tel.com
Organization: Inter-tel, Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:49:50 GMT

     I have used a bib for the last few seasons but I am  interested  in some
other alternatives.   I'd  like  to  go  with  something  like  a  jacket and
waterproof pants.   How  would  you  compare  the  different  pants  that are
available (stretch, nylon, goretex, etc.)?  Are there certain brands that you
like?  Are the pants warm enough or do you always require long underwear?

Greg Wohlenberg
wohlenbe@inter-tel.com

Newsgroups: rec.skiing