From: spidy@acca.nmsu.edu (Da Spidy-Mon)
Subject: Re: A bunch of prejudiced people.
Organization: New Mexico State University
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:27:15 GMT

stumpf@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Markus Stumpf) writes:
: 
: What I said was (and what should become clear, if you read my flame carefully):
: 1) That the biggest contingent of IRC Servers is from US
: 2) That most of them are there for EGO reasons (and so not really needed)
: 3) That most of the Ops in US are Ops for EGO reasons (and so not really needed)!
: 4) That most of the admins of THOSE servers and THOSE Ops think that US is
:    the best ... rules the world and this stuff.
: 5) That most of THEM should consult a psychiater!

Well, if most IRCops in the US are for EGO reasons, then why or how did they
acquire the links? Obviously, since they do have links..they are not
just there for EGO reasons, if for thsat reason at all..But have you taken a 
look at the rest of the net as well? There are plenty of IRCpeonOPS out there 
that have attitude problems..and many are worse than the average IRCpeonOP 
here..that has an O-line for EGO reasons..
: 
: 1), 2) and 3) I think are facts.

They most certainly are not...what is your proof behind this? An observation 
or opinion on your part does not justify it as becoming a fact..It may be 
shared by other people as well..So basically what you are saying here is
that when a person in the US obtains a server or an O-line, there 
attitude about EVERYONE else on the net suddenly changes and they consider
themseves real badasses? If these IRCpeonOPS have OP status for just 
egotistical reasons..then if they were to suddenly LOOSE these O-lines/server
I am sure that the number of friends many of them have will remain...as truly 
friends..Also, by saying that EVERY US ADMIN/IRCpeonOP has an problem with 
her/his ego, yoi have ALSO insulted all the IRCpeonUSERs as well..If I am
not mistaken, an IRCpeonOP is a user when s/he signs onto IRC and through 
the use of a password s/he becomes an IRCpeonOP/ADMIN...So indirectly, YOU 
have insulted ALL the IRCpeonUSERS in the US...The nest time you make such
a false and utterly asinine comment, try not to bust a loose your bladder
control over this and go overboard...

: 4) is my theory (which I get from the actions and /WALLOPS (from the time we
:    has them))
: 5) I wrote this, 'cause I was really angry and it was mainly meant to one
:    person! (But I still think someone who thinks that his country rules the
:    world should consult a psychater - no matter what country he is from)

So? this does not give you any justifiction to say that ALL IRCADMINS/
IRCpeonOPS/IRCpeonUSERS are egotistical...I think that you are the one with
the EGO problem..Indeed, When such an inflated EGO gets damaged or scratched
in any way, the USUALLY decides to blame EVERYONE in the same category...Just
to make him/herslef look better...Basic psychology will tell you this..
: 
: I did NOT say:
: 1) ALL americans are morons/insane
: 2) my country is better than yours

Well, you did NOT say this, but you certainly DID imply this..same deal 
either way around..(I am talking about 1) 
: 
: I too, don't think there are any problems with being proud of my country,
: but that doesn't mean that I close my eyes to all the things that are
: bad (and every country has things that are good and things that are bad)
: 
Close your eyes to something bad? YOU are the one saying that ALL IRCADMINS/
IRCpeonOPS in the US are egotistical bullies...I think that maybe you should
look in the mirror someday...
: 
: Some comments to explain my anger:
: Mostly speaking for the situation in Germany (even it is/may be true for some
: other countries, too)
: 
: I can understand that those from US with a bunch of T1 links and no such
: problems don't want rules and cry "IRC is an anarchy" and "IRC is for FUN",
: but that doesn't mean that I have to like it.
: There had been a lot of backbone plans for the US, but none of them ever
: worked! Did you ever ask yourself why?

Well, you probably already have surmised this..but the US is a very wasteful
nation..Our trash alone could support a Third Wrold nation..We just gotta have
the most amt of Power..Cars..money..blah blah..which is, to my opinion
bad..and well, ya might as well add the most amt of T1 machines too..But
you see, in the long run..if ya take all these luxuries away from us,
we would not know how to survive....Just look at our frigging
economy..and heh, we just gotta have the biggest National Defecit too..
: 
: As I said, I didn't have any generalizations in mind.
: And for the insane topic:
: 
: Don't you think that someone, who is down to hell, 'cause that bitch of
: a girl he knew from IRC and he was so in love with left him, who on the
: other day writes "IRC is fun" and on the next day says "I have a new love
: and it's serious this time", who himself says he's Op only for being Op
: and because it's cool.
: Don't you think that someone like him really has some problems, and isn't
: too mature?
: (or maybe he's simply too young. And in this case I don't think he should
: have as much responsibility as I think an Op has (or at least should have).
: 
Wait one second here...I am neither immature nor am I insane..Being immature
is when you are not able to rationalize that there are DIFFERENCES in 
other people and other parts of the world..Being immature is thinking that 
you think that you ARE always right...I made a post to the general public
for the sole reason of advice..People gave it to me..They told me that they
felt for me..So, you have not only called me immature and Insane, but you
have also called the people who took the time to give me advice Immature
and Insane as well..Maybe you should wake up and realize that PEOPLE DO
need help...and that IRC repaltionships are happening these days..
Truly, this woman, I met was and still is more than just a "bitch." Ask anyone
at ug.cs.dal.ca that knows her..But, am I at fault for trying to seek some 
female friendship over IRC? Am I to blame for having feelings and then feeling
a bit used once I learned I had been HAD? I think you will find that the
general consensus to ALL of these questions is no. Seems to me, that
you are the onemakinf immature and irrational claims.. As for IRC being "fun" it is, I enjoy chatting to people on the Internet 
Relay Chat..Or does IRC have a hidden meaning? 

I do not recall saying anything of the nature that being an IRCop is cool
to just "be and IRCop" Neither do I recall saying that " I am an OP 
just for being an OP." I asked to become an OP because, and you may
think this is total rubbish, because I wanted to know how the system runs
BEHIND the system..Close up..I will refer you to a certain paragraph Mr. 
Gwydion made on a flame to Avalon..I paraphrase.."I have find Spidy willing
to learn..." If you have a problem with my willingness to learn, then I think
that YOU are the one going insane. 
: That's it!

You bet that is all..
: Hope it helped to make some things clearer!
: And I hope even more it helps IRCnet!
yeah, so do I./..
Have a nice day...
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[	Da Spidy-Mon                                                          ]
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