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From: cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Comment on Wesley's room (First Duty)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:50:26 GMT

In article <8APR199217124231@reg.triumf.ca> music@reg.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) writes:
>In article <DEMILLO.92Apr6115717@egeus.juliet.ll.mit.edu>, demillo@juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Robert DeMillo ) writes...
>>In article <1992Apr6.150336.1734@osc.edu> phil@stupid.cgrg.ohio-state.EDU (Phil Ritzenthaler) writes:
>> 
>>> In article <1992Apr6.074215.12501@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:
>>> |> 
>>> |> The door had a doorknob, and it swung open.  Awfully low tech, dontcha
>>> |> think?
>>> |> 
>>> |> Either there's some point to this, or the average college dormitory in
>>> |> the 24th century is as old and unmodern as the ones today.  :-)
>> 
>>I thought this was great and made a lot of sense for exactly the 
>>reason the previous poster listed. Most of the dorms in older colleges
>>that I have been to are always about 100 years out of date...sometimes
>>more in the case of some of the 200+ year old ivy colleges. I thought
>>it was a great touch...
>> 
>
> I must agree.  I think young people need to live a little (during their
>impressionable period) in some kind of atmosphere which puts them IN TOUCH
>with their history.  Old schools, old hotels, old dormitories, old libraries,

Sorry.  I don't agree.  When I was at Penn State, I lived in the "geek
dorm" -- Atherton Hall.  Not only was it at the south end of a campus
that slopes precipitously upward to the north, but it must also have had
its electrical system designed PERSONALLY by Ben Franklin.  Two hair
dryers going at any one time ANYWHERE in the building were enough to
blow fuses and trip breakers all over the place.   

Thia charmingly "quaint" electrical system was also responsible for
numerous false fire alarms.  Ever had four fire alarms in three days
when you're living on the fourth floor of a dorm with no elevators?  And
have a condition which makes your heart rate just an EENSY bit above
normal?

"Quaint" dorms suck.  They are also dangerous.  Pull-doors are one
thing, but when the wiring is as antique as the doors, you're in
trouble.

Regards,
Janis C.

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From: goodwin@orionsci (Ben Goodwin)
Subject: Re: Locarno = Kirk (Spoilers "First Duty"))
Reply-To: goodwin@orionsci.UUCP (Ben Goodwin)
Organization: Orion Scientific, Inc.
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 13:27:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.220953.13877@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
>
>     Why is Kirk allowed the breadth of discretion to ^think^ and ^plan^
>     when he is going to follow Starfleet orders and Federation subpoenas
>     and Locarno is not?

Kirk was a high ranking officer.  They are given latitutude to make
decisions.  Locarno is a measly cadet.  He's got to prove he is
worthy.

>
>>>     And anyway, you are overlooking the point: Locarno is Kirk ^as a
>>>     cadet,^  as a KID.  I sincerely doubt Kirk was hatched a fully formed
>>>     Captain Horatio Hornblower.  Let's remember who cheated on the 
>>>     Kobyashi Maru simulation.  
>> 
>>    Cheating on the Kobyashi Maru simulation was not likely to get anyone
>>even hurt, much less killed. Therefore, it is a totally different issue.
>
>     Beyond the death involved, cheating on an incredibly important
>     Academy exit-exam is a much bigger breach of regulations than
>          performing an against-the-rules maneuver.  The death involved 

Did you read the book?  The Kobyashi Maru wasn't an exam.  It was
a psychological test.  The first # times Kirk failed gave them more than
enough data on his psyche.  The last time when he beat the *test* gave
them even more data.  

You can't compare the two.  I mean, you can, but the comparison doesn't
work.  Are you implying that if Kirk was bad at say Astrophysics that
he would have cheated to graduate?

Do you remember the episode where Wesley tried to get into the academy,
they ran a scenario where he was only able to save one person from a
fire?  That wasn't an exit exame either.

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From: IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Nicholas C. Hester)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TROI'S BIG BUTT
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:35:59 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

In article <1992Apr15.011101.111@ncsu.edu>, kbanerje@grad00.math.ncsu.edu
(Kaushik Banerjee) says:
>
>I must say, I have not noticed Troi's butt getting bigger. Perhaps the growth f
>o
>her butt has to do with relativistic effects?

So that's why Riker has been getting paunchier...

-Nick
From: ec120wee@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Upcoming Episode News/Spoilers  ST:TNG and ST:DSN
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:21:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, San Diego

>>I'm
>>not sure I understand Berman et al's reasoning that all TNG season
>>enders _must_ be cliffhangers.  If ya don't have one, why force one? 

They're running out of script ideas.  They end the season with a
cliff-hanger whose conclusion is not yet written, and then they read
the newsgroup over the summer for story ideas.  :-)

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From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Thoughts on First Duty : SPOILERS
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:40:32 GMT
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation



 Martin> == Martin B. Zimmerman <mzimmer@lonestar.utsa.edu> 


 Martin> 1) Why not call a female superior Ma'am? I do not feel that
 Martin> this a derogitory remark or any attempt to say that she is less
 Martin> than a male superior.

If I was the female superior in question, I would request to be called
"sir". I don't see anything wrong with Ma'am but I believe it should be
the individual in question's choice. Admiral Brand seemed like a very
sir-like woman to me. :-)

I thought the bit where Picard told Wesley off was *very* well done. Oh,
how the mighty have fallen.

I see the repeating a year to be much more of a problem for Wesley than
originally thought, for one reason that Lacarno (sp?) stated: Wesley's
been out there. One would think that someone who's seen death (I'd bet
Wesley's witnessed 18 deaths .. just a guess. :-) would try to prevent
it, enough to realize how reckless the maneuver they were attempting
was.

Beverly Crusher's fussing over her son and believing him against all
else was totally and completely in character. Also, it was very well
done.

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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Kobyashi and Kirk
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:05:10 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr15.154958.935@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> nathans@coos.dartmouth.edu (Nathan Shafer) writes:

>> Kirk REFUSED to face death in the simulation.  He refused
>> to take advantage of the net Starfleet was offering him.
>> He paid the price in TWOK.

>    Where does this come from, btw, that he found out about the
>simulation beforehand? he only reprogrammed it after having taken it
>three times, not prior to his first time taking it!

If that's the case, then he faced death in the simulation three times.
How can you say he refused to take advantage of what they were offering
him?  He took advantage of it three times!

Then he said, "Enough is enough!  I'm going to beat this *$#*% thing!!!"


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From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
Subject: Re: What did Picard do? (minor TFD spoiler)
Organization: Ursa Minor Beta, 402-476-8047 @ 2400
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 20:21:57 GMT

rvc40592@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bob Cadman) writes:

>Something has really been annoying me about this episode:  What exactly
>is it that Picard did when he was at the academy?  I'm referring to the
>conversation where he thanked Boothby.

Remember from BoBW, where it was mentioned Picard winning a sprint race
(or something)?  In The Final Duty he mentioned he did a lot of running,
and he had pinned an opponent in wrestling(?) in less than 20 seconds.
There was a big celebration related to it.  A Nova Squadron party
related to something else they had done big outshone it.

>Another thing ... did you notice how when Geordi told Picard about the
>valve (or whatever) being opened, Picard immediately knew exactly what
>it was they were doing?

Not until he mentioned "ignite the plasma".

>Isn't that just a wee bit to convenient?  (I
>was also wondering if anyone remembered how long they said that 
>maneuver had been banned at the academy ... 100 years?)

It started clicking when he saw that still frame (from dialog, they had
more than that one frame, since the Vulcan told it to freeze and
magnify), then later Boothby almost comes out and tells Picard.  (I
think it was Boothby that told Lacarno about the stunt, which is why he
was acting like he was.)

>And does anyone think there could be a connection between these two
>questions?   :-)

Nope, sorry.

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From: v128nkej@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Boggles the MIND)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Lacarno-expected to succeed-
Date: 5 Apr 92 22:39:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41



	Some spoilers too follow...




















	Lacarno-being the leader of the highly toted Nova squadron is
obviously very smart and has excellent leadership abilities- that's why
he is in starfleet and 'Big man on campus'.
	Traits such as these don't happen over night-like many 'real' people
that are up and coming their entire lives- Lacarno was expected by all
to become a very fien officer-then-captain.  Lacarno expected it also
and when he was in a position to lose this future- he did what he had to do
to keep it- (in his eyes) not only for himself, but for the academy that
put him in command.
	I believe that he did what he thought was best-overall- for everyone:
1.  His team would stay together.
2.  Starfleet would keep Lacarno-(he believes this would benifit S.F. of course-
     (he is confident and believes he is great-traits that make a leader- just
      look at any fighter pilot-very cocky, but they have to be.
3.  The boy that died (whats his name) is dead and it doesn't matter too much
     that his name is mucked for the good of the team.

	What he did was wrong- and he knows it- but he feels that he did what
was best and that in doing so - that makes it alright (to him).


				Jim    v128nkej    
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From: kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones)
Subject: Re: Locarno = Kirk (Spoilers "First Duty"))
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:56:53 GMT

kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones) writes:
 > I admit we didn't see Kirk break down in TOS.  Yes, he did indeed
 > "put on a happy face" after many misadventures and close calls.
 > _This is what men were supposed to do._  Men simply did not whoop
 > and cry on TV in the sixties.  Particularly not leaders.  Kirk
 > held it in because duty and custom demanded that he do so.

v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
 > The examples that prove the point.  Kirk didn't "whomp and
 > cry" in TOS at all.  Why?  TWOK is telling us it is because he
 > never let death get inside him.  You are telling us it is
 > because it was "the sixties and men didn't do that."  Your
 > reasoning is fine, but you are reasoning outside the dramatic
 > action.  Tim and myself, and TWOK, are reasoning WITHIN it.

Nay, you're ignoring the examples I've posted showing that Kirk
did feel, and was in fact affected by death.  Whooping and crying
just wasn't one of the ways Kirk expressed himself.  Try to keep
your gorge down and think about how Kirk reacted when M5 was
mowing down all those starships.  If he were as uncaring and
monomaniacal ("I can not lose!") as you say, then he would have
bene sitting there thinking "If I were out there, I wouldn't let
this compiter beat me and destroy MY ship."

Just how much whooping and crying would have been required in TOS
to change your mind?

TWOK's characterization of Kirk stands out like a tumor.  But it
was a subplot of little consequence so it can be excised without
hurting the movie.

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From: icsu8053@coe.montana.edu (Craig Pratt)
Subject: It's Bozeman NOT Boseman
Organization: Montana State University, Department of Computer Science, Bozeman MT, 59717
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 09:47:20 GMT

According to our campus newspaper, _The_Exponent_, the episode 
"Cause and Effect" was written by staff writer Bannon Braga who was
born in Bozeman in 1965.  Her parents, art students at the time, met 
at Montana State in the mid '60's.  She's quoted as saying:

  "I wanted to give some recognition to the town of Bozeman.  It's
   a beautiful town and I think Montana is a beautiful, special
   state."  "Frequesntly when people ask me where I was born I say
   'Montana,' they ask me which state that's in.  So I thought I'd
   give Bozeman, Montana a little nod."

That should set the record straight. :^>

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From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: Upcoming Episode News/Spoilers  ST:TNG and ST:DSN
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:06:54 GMT

In article <CYBE5WE@taronga.com> bguillot@taronga.com (B.J. Guillot) writes:



>"Cost of Living" - this year's Lwaxana episode has Mom Troi taking a
>motherless Alexander under her wing.  It will feature a traditional
>Betazoid wedding, with, I think, Lwaxana herself as the bride (although
>I could be mistaken).  Guests and participants retain their clothes.

I suspect this episode will become known as "The Cost of being a TNG Fan".


>"Imaginary Friend" - A child on board as an imaginary friend, but is it
>imaginary?  <no kidding>

Hmm... three more episodes with kids (this one, "I, BORG" and "INNER LIGHT.")
Is that a record for number of kids in a season?


>"Time's Arrow" - This year's season finale!  Data goes back in time to
>late 19th/early 20th century earth and meets Mark Twain.  NOTE: This
>episode was originally NOT a cliffhanger, but it is now.  

Uh oh. Can you say "tacked-on-cliffhanger?" Why do I suspect part 2
will have at best, forced connection with part 1?


>Misc. rumors:
>  
>*  This year's aborted Q episode, "Duelling Q's", may be seen next year.
>*  We may see a female Q.

Yawn. What's all the fuss about Q, I really don't understand.


>*  Michael Dorn will play a non-Klingon in a guest appearance.

"?" We'll see.


>*  We'll be seeing more of Michelle Forbes, as Ensign Ro Larren, next
>   year.

Another yawn. TNG may not be a 'soap in space', but they're sure starting
to stoop to a lot of soap opera gimmicks.


>On Deep Space Nine:
>  
>*  The commander of the wormhole lost his wife to the Borg at Wolf 359.
>   He hates Locutus, and thus harbors deep resentment against Picard.
>  
>*  The derelict space station is apparently Ferengi-built.
>  
>*  The space station orbits the planet Bajoran, which, as those who saw
>   "Ensign Ro" will remember, is the original homeworld of Ro Larren's
>   people, the Bajorans.
>  
>*  The primary enemies in Deep Space Nine will be the Cardassians.
>  

Ferengi, Ensign Ro, Cardissians --- why do I have the feeling TNG is
dumping all of its drek elements onto DS9?


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From: hendrick@ctron.com (Jim Hendrick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: those things on their belts
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:35:16 GMT
Organization: Cabletron Systems Inc.
In-reply-to: cglover@lonestar.utsa.edu's message of 13 Apr 92 16:04:01 GMT

>    enterprise goes back to tasha's home planet, when tasha's sister was
>    beaming down to the colony to help rescue the crewmen,  she had on a
>    blue jumpsuit with matching blue phaser holster.  how nice, they must

Who noticed the holster ???

Sorry, just an avid Linda Hamilton fan. ;-)

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From: kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones)
Subject: Re: What did Picard do?  (minor TFD spoiler)
Organization: UUNET Communications Services
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:16:42 GMT

 > > It was also quite convenient that Troi was missing.  This is
 > > always the problem with having a Betazoid.  I mean they
 > > could have had a full Betazoid there.  Obviously, this
 > > presents no problem with Starfleet and the right to privacy
 > > since Picard mentioned having a full Betazoid for
 > > superintendent.  Of course, this would have ruined the story
 > > so they really had to keep Troi out of this episode.
 > 
 > Not really... she never does anything useful... "He's hiding
 > something, Captain!" wouldn't really have told them much.

Pshaw.  Fear of stating the obvious has never stopped her before!
She was probably on vacation, as everyone else seemed to be.
From: fritzw@cpl-mfh.UUCP (Fritz Wonnacott)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Stardate System
Date: 3 Apr 92 06:35:39 GMT
Organization: Clinical Pharmacokinetics Lab, SUNY at Buffalo

***
*** In article <PPHTiB1w164w@jab.tucson.az.us>,
*** stevea@jab.tucson.az.us (Steve Albany) writes:
***

>
>        I've always assumed that the Stardate system was truly relative to  
>a vessel because of the slight time distortion associated with warp travel.
>        So while it might 40321.5 on the Enterprise at a given point in 
>time, it might be 40324.1 on another vessel.
>
>        ================================================================
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>        | SteveA@Coyote.Datalog.Com | kingdom, for that which I leave  |
>        |  SteveA@Jab.Tucson.Az.Us  | is too small for thee.."         |
>        |                           |    - King Phillip of Macedonia   |
>        ================================================================

Please check the FAQ listing about StarDates on TNG.  The information you and
others are seeking can be found in the FAQ list.

If memory serves, TNG StarDates have LITTLE to do with space/time continuum or
with anything else likewise.  They are created by:

		45425.2
		^^^^^ ^
		||||| +---- Decimal section of day
		||+++------ Particular Day
		|+--------- Season Index (5th season episode!!)
		+---------- 24th Century

or something of this nature... haven't got the FAQ list in front of me!
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From: phil@stupid.cgrg.ohio-state.EDU (Phil Ritzenthaler)
Subject: Re: Lacarno = Kirk  (Spoilers "1st Duty)
Reply-To: phil@cgrg.ohio-state.edu
Organization: Advanced Computing Center for Arts & Design
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:51:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.233345.26121@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v112j497@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (James Brognano) writes:
|> 
|> Keep Going!!!
|> 
|> 	It almost seems that Lacarno's character is modelled after James
|> Kirk.  The Producer's seem to be suggesting that Starfleet officers with 
|> Kirk's attributes have no place in TNG and that officers with Picard's
|> qualities are what the Federation really needs.  Sorry if this was 
|> discussed before, if not, let the debate begin!

Usually I read articles and don't comment very much (let the rest of you have
flame wars), but this article was scary!

I thought the SAME THING during the show . . . mannerism's, looks, actions,
just the general ayre about Lacarno, the moment occured during the conversation
about the middle of the show where W. says something about that he WASN'T
going to lie and Lacarno was trying to convince him that for the good of the 
team . . .

The disgusted look back that Lacarno gave to W. . . . . the only thing I thought
then was KIRK!!!

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From: sll28@cc.usu.edu (LORNA_PAYNE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: (Spoilers First Duty)
Date: 10 Apr 92 08:23:24 MDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Apr9.193712.1377@cupnews0.cup.hp.com>, runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan) writes:
> goodwin@orionsci.uucp (Ben Goodwin) writes:
>>First duty spoilers>Assumptions!
> 
>>2) Kirk=Locarno theory>BS!
>>   You are all basing your theories on no data.  We have almost
>>   no data on Kirk's days at the academy.  As a matter of fact the Kobyashi
>>   Maru is the only reference I've seen to Kirk's Academy Days.
> 
> You are probably going to get dozens of responses, so let me fall into
> the pack somewhere...
> 
> 1. We know that Kirk had a problem with an upper classman who caused him
>    enough grief that Kirk was more than willing to severely beat him
>    (I think the episode is `Shoreleave')
>
I'm surprised nobody has brought up the only other definitive reference to Kirk 
at the Acadamy:  "A stack of books with legs." It comes in either WNMHGB while
Kirk is talking to Gary in Sickbay after the accident, or in Shore Leave.

Sounds more like Wes than Locarno to me. 
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