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From:         Mark Susskind <NY911179%PACEVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      SHOUT (NOT)

I don't know what the big deal is.  I can't hear you shout, so it doesn't
bother me.  The only sounds I can hear are the fan on my computer, and the
ventilation system in ny room.  UPPER CASE LETTERS do not constitue SHOUTING,
as far as I'M concerned, just E-EMPHASIS.  In fact, after seeing mixed cases
most of the time, it is somewhat of a relief to see upper case letters.

Mark R. Susskind, Mr. MRS
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: words-l history

Asketh        "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

> How did this list turn into the strange and lovable entity that it is??
> That would make a truly fascinating history.

     Obviously we need to put together a proposal for funding to go
visit a copy of the full archives and determine this.  Shall we
tentatively schedule this for the summer of '93 at Akio's, the home of
the only full archive that I am aware of?

The Ronin
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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I think we have a first here!  Gail sent something to the list
*intentionally*! :-)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     who said she was logging off while ago and did -- then found
     out that an 8:00 committee meeting has been postponed :-)
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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>
> I'm still waiting for somebody to explain HOW it is helpful to recognize
> and understand the patterns involved.  Oh, ur, uh, Adam...  Latin must not
> have introduced you to the "proper" uses of reflexive and intensive
> pronouns...  ;->
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

I'm not sure that I can *explain* it...I liked the comparison someone made
to the steps of a dance.  We used to square dance a lot (*real* square
dancing, as opposed to Jed and Granny and the other Clampetts having a
"hoedown" in the parlor), and I enjoyed what I was doing more when I
could see the pattern of movements evolving rather than just doing each
separate movement without thinking...I *still* haven't explained it...sorry.
ndh
who is still supposed to be sewing, but has been tempted away from the
machine by words-l
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From:         Rita <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: the free press
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To a certain degree, Leah, I agree with you.  We all benefit from a free
press.  I, however, am greedy.  I want to own a press.  I want spew my
ideas, and I want others to spew their's at me.  I'm getting a little
sick and tired of Time Warner determining what I should know (in my
opinion, Time Magazine has been going steadily downhill -- ever notice
*which* movies get nice two-page inside spreads?).  Time Warner also owns
a plethora of local cable companies.  Not to mention a motion picture
company.

        Let me show you free press in the electronic age.  NBC wanted to
start up a competitive cable news program along the lines of CNN.  They
couldn't get it off the ground because Turner Broadcasting owns so many
local cable companies (which all refused to carry it, of course) that
it was unmarketable.  Some free press.  Some choice.
        Yes, freedom of the press does come down to who owns it -- and a
lot more frequently than you'd like to know, I bet.

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Surveyth      Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>

> This is interesting...wonder how many words people are left-handed?

     I am nominally right-handed, but there some things I do better
at left-handed.  Neither hand writes legibly.

The Ronin
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: math
Organization: Independent scholar
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:41:41 GMT

tushar wrote:

>   Might as well ask why physicists learn so much math. We are human beings.
>                        
>   We can only think of math.
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

and provoked Anne Haycock:

>** PAH! **

>//anne, who would rather think of anything *but* math...blech//

--Bayla would like to commit some appropriate physical violence (fantasy
only, O Peaceful Don) on teachers etc who are responsible for such
crippling attitudes!!!  Why, *why*, WHY is it socially acceptable to be
proud of an inability to spell or calculate?  Why is it acceptable for
intelligent people to disdain an essential intellectual activity?  

I'm not picking on anne, who just happened to be the one who pressed the
button this time: the problem is epidemic.  I am neither a mathematician
nor an "english geek," but one ought not limit one's interest solely to
one's narrow field of specialty.  

Soapbox mode off.

--bayla
     Dort, wo man Bucher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen.
     Wherever books are burned men also, in the end, are burned.
                               Heinrich Heine [1797-1856]




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From:         Carol Goodson <CGOODSON%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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              8 Apr 1992 11:46:26 EST from <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>

Thank you, Karen/  I limited myself to Romance languages because that's all
I have ever studied...and therefore was afraid to make this generalization
about any others!
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From:         Steve Portigal <stevep%SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      See you in a couple of days...
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  Well I'm off for a couple of seders (the usual number) and I'm going on
nomail.  I've got too much work to do even to READ words, let alone
catch up!

  A bientot...

Steve
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From: tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Tushar Samant)
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> It is interesting that the responses were concerned with
>'right-to-left' vs 'left-to-right', and totally ignored the question
>of whether the language's order went vertically or horizonntally.

>The Ronin

The vertical and horizontal components are, so to say, independent. As
for the vertical component in itself, is there any script which is written
bottom to top ? A very bizarre script it would be then.

tushar
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      propositions

>>Well, I'm *always* getting into trouble by ending sentences with
>>propositions.
>
>     What else would one end a sentence with?  My rules say that
>ending a senetnce with a preposition frequently leads to a sentence
>with multiple parsings (Sorry, no examples off the top of my head),


Sorry about this, but I felt that the time had come when I could not
just watch helplessly. I mean, it's a remarkably unfunny joke, but
still in a liberal sense a joke. Why should it be subjected to this
cruel treatment ? Why should it be demolished in such a ridiculous
way ? Why ?

I don't think even that (er) joke deserved this.

tushar
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Date: 10 Apr 92 07:26:42 GMT
Organization: Robobar Ltd., Perivale, Middx., ENGLAND.

In article <9204090238.AA09281@Ra.MsState.Edu> maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Natalie Maynor) writes:
>I'm still waiting for somebody to explain HOW it is helpful to recognize
>and understand the patterns involved.  Oh, ur, uh, Adam...  Latin must not
>have introduced you to the "proper" uses of reflexive and intensive
>pronouns...  ;->
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

It helps you win arguments when you and someone else disagree as to
which pattern is 'correct'.  The person who can claim to know the
underlying grammar has a better chance of winning the argument.

G
"Just because you can argue better than me doesn't mean you're right"
                                                         -- Lianna.
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Bomber Crews and PhDssdnd
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> Okay, Stu, *what does it mean*?
>
> (I feel like a major sucker here....)
>
> Dr. Steve

That's okay, Dr. Steve...somebody had to do it...thank you for biting
the bullet.
ndh
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From:         Fredric <FDOLEZAL%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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              15 Apr 1992 19:28:37 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:28:37 CDT Natalie Maynor said:
>> but the point is about whether something called 'culture' can effect change;
>> if not, then the argument in previous posts are nullified; if so, you cannot
>> claim innocence and INTENTION.  Either the'culture' intended to change in a
>
>Why not?   Some language changes are intentional; most are not.  I don't
>see how the either-or can apply to changes as a whole.

Hmmm. I guess I jumped in when y'all was jawing bout cultural change directing
linguistic change.....I must have misunderstood your global point.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Lingo Starr <FDOLEZAL%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: So, Fred ? That's MR. Fred to you.
              16 Apr 1992 12:57:52 CDT from <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>

On Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:57:52 CDT Tushar Samant said:
>Fred, I have read all your postings with great interest, and after
>an incisive analysis (it was hard to peel off the layers of
>sparkling wit and mordant humour) I have finally understood your
>point. And I agree with it !
>
>Everything is an ideology.
>tushar

Namaste tusharji,
"King Lear" by Shakespeare according to my old friend Samant:
Jealousy is bad for you.

Tushie, I think it would be kind of you to let the list know of our long and
devoted acquaintance;  and shukriyaar for your support!
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Subject: Re: Was Re: whorf

>> In short, the obvious reformulations of such statements should be assumed
>> and repeated only if necessary. Most people know these things. What they
>> want is information.
>
>I agree.  But I'm not sure how this point is related to the recent list
>discussion.

It's not.

tushar
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: A Modest Proposal
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On Mon, 6 Apr 1992 08:22:08 -0400 <droby@NOVA.TCS.TUFTS.EDU> said:
>by getting us all to pretend to the degree, and that's all the current rash of
>silly titles is about.  Perhaps next week we should all put "Esquire" in our
>signatures.
>
>- Dr. DR

Sounds good to me....

Dr. dan in potatoland, Esquire, and former Playboy
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From:         droby%NOVA.TCS.TUFTS.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
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              09 Apr 92 22:42:38 CDT." <9204092345.aa18411@Nova.TCS.Tufts.EDU>

Says Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>:
>How strong *was* that porter, anyway?
>ndh

Well, I didn't have the porter, I had the Tall Tale Pale Ale.  It's four days
later now and I finally woke up.

Actually I've just been off-line for other reasons.  Thursday night we had to
run and clean up an auditorium after a rehearsal Paul & I had carefully
scheduled to not require our attendance.  Friday out network went crazy all
morning, I had meetings all afternoon, and spent the evening on set-building.
Saturday & Sunday were mostly spent on rehearsals and set.  I found a moment
for e-mail Sunday morning and found Nova had collapsed during a power surge.
I got someone else to fix it.

Now I've got lots of stuff to catch up on.  I was already a day behind on
words-l.

Anyway, I enjoyed the visit with wordslers very much, as did Paul.  For some
reason, I took one look at Rod, and was pretty sure who he was, even though
I hadn't really developed a mental picture.  I knew my mental picture of Rita
was wrong, but of course recognized her by her effing t-shirt.  Mama Judith
was a wonderful surprise in her glorious leathers, and her in-person persona
is just as delightful as her on-line persona.

Thank you Rita, for the lead on finding a whip.  Turns out I might not need to
buy one, as a cast member finally admitted to owning one.  I'm tempted to run
up to New Hampshire and get it anyway, but I'm not sure when it'll be possible.

For those who missed it by being at the wrong end of the table or by being
absent or by being present in spirit but not listening closely, the show is
"The Wiz", directed by Paul, with me in a minor role involving a whip, and also
running lights and doing alot of other backstage stuff.  Anyone interested
can contact me for ticket details - it's the last weekend in April and the
first weekend in May.  No photos during show, but come backstage after, and
we'll get something for the archives.

I'm likely to stay behind for awhile, as things are a bit hectic.  I'm taking
tomorrow off to finish hanging lights and do more set construction.  It's
almost done.

- Don R
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>the microscopic lines that read (skipping the dots):
>
>           Observera: tillverkaren ansvarar inte for effekten av
>           att ata kakor bakade med denna mix av moderliga
>           kvinnor aktiva i internationellt utbyte av
>           elektronisk post.

Is there any chance of getting a translation of this?  It would make this
remarkable week on Words-l just about perfect.

bog
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From:   NAME: Les Buhite
        FUNC: Visual and Performing Arts
        TEL: (716) 665-5220                   <BUHITE, LES AT A1 AT JCCV03>
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DR. LISA:
<          While I am busy doing nothing on this fine R.I. Sunday, I figured I'd
<post my feelings on this topic.
<          When I was in grade school I was teased something fierce.  I won't
<bother to tell you the names I was called because they are too personal, even
<for this list. Now it seems trivial because I am doing better in life than
<those who teased me. I don't forgive them for what they did or thank them for
<giving me the strength to make it through life's difficulties.
<
< <Oprah stuff deleted.  Some things are are too painful for even this list>

<           If I ever catch my children teasing another, I won't stand for it.
<I know that I won't be there every moment of there lives but, if I catch them.
<           From my soapbox, I descend.

Some half-baked theories gleaned from forgotten sources:
        Children tease to emphasize differences--such as physical
characteristics or non-typical names--because homogeneity is important. They
also use it to define the pecking order.  The ones teased are at the bottom of
the order, obviously.
        Teens and adults tease as a means of social control. A-typical behaviors
are emphasized.  Again, homogeneity is what's important.  Interestingly,
when adults tease about physical characteristics, especially ones which cannot
be improved upon, the unstated message seems to be "you will never be
acceptable to me." I've noted this on a number of occasions, and specifically
when a member of one race is associated with numerous members of another.
In this context, the "joking" about the individual's difference from the
other, while justified on the grounds acceptance and familiarity, has
quite a different subtext.
        Teasing is often a form of hazing.  Before gaining membership in
a group, one must demonstrate the ability to surmount some degree of
pressure, which will typically focus on perceived weak points. Smarter
folk than I have pointed out that at least some of what is declared
"sexual harassment" is in fact hazing.  Hazing makes sense in the military,
police, fire patrols, etc. where a trust level must be established
before one person can be expected to place his/her life and limb in the
hands of others.  It makes less sense among lawyers, etc., but it still
goes on.
        My first name is Leslie, which used to be common among men. I've
endured a lot of abuse for it over the years, and respond quite negatively
when called by it, and even now consider changing it( and use several
other names on other lists and in other contexts), and shall discourage
my daughter from teasing when she gets to that age.  I can change my
name, but I can't change the world.

L.
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From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
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Subject:      Re: "Will word for food"

Cerridwen, wife of Tegid the Bald and mother of, among others, Taliesen.
To aid another of her sons she made a caldron of inspiration and science.
(Damn line-editor...capitalize those last two.)
While out gathering herbs of Virtue a rival (Gwion) spilled 3 drops on his
finger, which he then put into his mouth, making him the master of all
knowledge.  Thus enlightened he knew enough to beat feet from Cerridwen,
who wished to not only wax wroth but clean his clock in the bargain.  It's
kind of a Garden of Eden variation.  Interesting that Virtue got left out
of the recipe, innit?  8-)  The upshot of all this is that a "great deal"
of knowledge [learning] is a dangerous thing, as well.  Supposedly Welsh
poets wish to be protected FROM the Cauldron of Cerridwen - inhibits the
muse, and all that.
("Researched" a la Tom Lehrer from a variety of sources over the last 20 min.)

John Williams, of the family Jones, who also knows why the Welshman went
into the garden...
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: For Sports Fans of Feminine Gender (Hi Emily

Posteth Doctor QXN148 from the University of Alpha Cnetauri

> play. It revolves around the almighty dollar$
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

     Given the nature of the list and the personalities on it, this
topic has surely mean beaten to death once before, but it is one of my
pet peeves.  The '$' is not almighty.  Rather the value it is used to
measure and the desire to have it are the driving forces.

The Ronin
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From Doctor Ken Wolman

> Magical thinking, anyone?

     Possibly, but by your old classmates IMHO.  I have come to the
belief that the poison in the minds of the people who taunt so
maliciously will seep into the rest of their body and their lives, to
infect and inflict, and force them to suffer as they would have others
suffer under such oppression.   This belief has been a major motivator
in removing my desire for vengance, something I count as a major step
forward.

The Ronin
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore"
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Subject:      Re: Gleanings (39
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DrewTV?  Your college has it's own cable system?

--Aaron

PS-- Even VH-1 isn't as good as it used to be.
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (39)
Comments: To: WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu

> What exactly is the MISC list?  Does it stand for Miscellaneous? In
> other words, is it a lower form of WORDS-L?

I subscribed to it for a few days out of curiosity and found it boringly
miscellaneous.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)