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From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
Subject: Re: Which brand(s) of anarchy?
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 06:33:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.015816.28857@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC) writes:
>From: mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC)
>Subject: Re: Which brand(s) of anarchy?
>Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 01:58:16 GMT
>In article <1992Sep11.235439.1323@vela.acs.oakland.edu> wlee@argo.acs.oakland.edu writes:
>>At long last a newsgroup dedicated to Anarchy!
>>
[Original letter deleted]
>
>
>Oh, I see.  This is why cats have sandpaper tongues.
So, you see. That is why nerds have lawnmower songs.

>Thanks a bunch,
Sounds like *crunch*

>M
G
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Anarchy - Iceland?
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:30:24 GMT

A repost from a few months ago from soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa:

From: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Subject: Re: Canada and the U.S.
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:28:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.143402.28801@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.085607.10836@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>The US is the richest, oldest, most militarily powerful
>>democracy on the planet.  
>
>I believe that Iceland has a few hundred years on the US, in terms of 
>persistent democracies.

Iceland was an anarchy (the only successful one I know of in history)
from the ninth to the thirteenth century.  It then was taken over
by the King of Norway, and eventually passed to Denmark.  If I recall
correctly, it was not given full local autonomy back until the
early twentieth century, and did not gain independence until WWII.

Now, I'm not sufficiently familaiar with Danish history or Iceland's
relation with Denmark to know at what point one can call modern
Denmark or Iceland democratic, but I don't think that it's fair
to characterize it as being so in the eighteenth century.

>(Greece has a few thousand years, but they haven't always been democratic.)

Yes.  Basically I was using sloppy shorthand for oldest continuously
democratic country.  I still think that a good case can be made for
the US by this definition, especially since so many European countries
had their democracies disrupted by circumstances beyond their control
at one time or another.  I'll grant that there's possibly some room
for dispute, depending on how one defines democracy and how one
measures breaks in continuity, and questions of "what about places
with local elective rule, but which the final authority was
elsewhere."  Someone brought up the Faeroe Islands to me in e-mail,
with which I'm entirely unfamiliar, but which were possessions of one
kingdom or another for most of the last millennium.  Of course, by
that standard a couple of the states of the US are older democracies
than it is, since several of the colonies had elective assemblies
prior to the War of Independence.

Mike
-- 
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"Never let your sense of morality prevent
mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 you from doing what's right!"
mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 --Mayor Salvor Hardin of Terminus
mss2@usite-next.uchicago.edu     Isaac Asimov, _Foundation_
From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Anarchist's Guide to the BBS
Date: 12 Sep 92 14:56:12 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Anybody read Keith Wade's _The Anarchist's Guide to the BBS_
(Loompanics, 1990)?  I thought it wasn't much more than an excuse to
write a book about BBSs.  I.e., not much about anarchism.
Informative, though.


Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: sdemitri@nyx.cs.du.edu (Suzanne Lucia Demitrio)
Subject: Re: Anarchy - Iceland?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 03:45:47 GMT

elascurn@daimi.aau.dk (Lars R{der Clausen) writes:

>jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:

>>Iceland was an anarchy (the only successful one I know of in history)
>>from the ninth to the thirteenth century.
>.
>But if you call Iceland an
>anarchy, then I think you should also call several thousand native
>societies around the world (more or less alive today) anarchies. But I
>don't think it was, for though there was no government, there were slave
>in the families. But seen on a family-to-family level, it was an anarchy

Medieval Iceland had a quite sophisticated system of laws, law-courts,
and judicial procedure.  True, there was no centralized executive and
little legislative activity (though both Njal's Saga and one of the 
Eddas describes how Christianity was spontaneously 'made law' at 
an annual meeting), but that's not unlike the way much of early
medieval society was run.  Indeed, Icelanders seem to have felt
rather more compelled to respect and obey their laws than, say,
Frenchmen of the same period.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Suzanne Lucia                                    sdemitri@nyx.cs.du.edu

Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach)
Subject: Autonomen
Summary: Don't forget to smash the state!
Originator: labach@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 22:01:48 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: The Bobby Jurasin Fan Club

News reports about the recent anti-fascist marches in Rostock, Germany,
made reference to a group called the "Autonomen" which was variously
described as anarchist or leftist.  They seem to have a history of
militant activism.  Do any anarchists out there know more about the
group and its history?

- terry -
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"I myself an a free man only insofar as I recognize the humanity and
 liberty of all the men who surround me.  In respecting their humanity I
 respect my own."
 - Mikhail Bakunin
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy,alt.society.revolution,alt.activism
From: comalley@dragon (phaedrus)
Subject: Re: Current offerings -- FTP Archive
Keywords: ftp
Organization: University of Lowell Computer Science, Lowell MA
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:09:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.231736.15805@terminator.cc.umich.edu> pauls@umich.edu writes:
>Revolutionary Writings Available Via FTP
>
>Directory	Occupied by
>---------	-----------
>
>/poli/ats.d	Arm the Spirit
>
>		* autonomist / anti-imperialist newsletter
>
>/poli/mim.d	Maoist Internationalist Movement
>
>                * Marxist/Leninist/Maoist party; third world nationalism,
>		  revolutionary feminism, communism.
>
>/poli/ww.d      Workers World Party
>		
>                * Marxist political party, founded 1959
>		

 *yawn*



Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: daum@ee.ualberta.ca (Tanya Louise Daum)
Subject: Re: Anarchy as a newsgroup?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:38:14 GMT

No

-- 
"And men are men who till the land, and women are women who weave, fifty men
 own the lemon grove, and no man is a slave." -- Herbert Read

Comrade @ LambdaMOO (telnet lambda.parc.xerox.com 8888) daum@bode.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: daum@ee.ualberta.ca (Tanya Louise Daum)
Subject: Re: Anarchy and marxism
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:42:34 GMT

d89-sme@nada.kth.se (Staffan Melin) writes:

>Hi,

>I would be interested in an anarchist's opinion about marxism,
>both the philosophy and the economic theories.

>One point, where a marxist and a anarchist don't agree, would
>be on how the road to the anarchist/communist society looks
>like.

	Well, this is what someone like Noam Chomsky seems to say, that the only major differences between radical left Marxism and Anarchism lies in the means to change.  However, I disagree...

>I have always thought that a communist/marxist and an anarchist 
>have the same goal, the state-less and class-less society.

	The goals may be similar, but the Marxist belief holds a) That the working class is the `best' or `superior' class and that it must always be the most powerful, even after the state has `withered away'  Anarchism holds that no class should reign supreme, and that society should view all as equal.

	B) Marx frequently critcized enforced morality in society, yet the communist society he declares to be the ultimate product of history is completely moral, dictating certain ethical values from above.  By contrast, the Anarchist goal is to produce a society based on certain ethical values that most anarchists seem to accept ... Marx ridiculed the naivety of Anarchists, in keeping with his "scientific" mode of thought, yet because of this he forgot the most important element of socialist though, that the p







eople are more important than the state.
	C) Anarchism declares the necessity of the _fluid_ and _flexible_ society, rather than claiming that communism will be the last society in history.  It does not state that a society of socialism is the best or ultimate product of history; it states that that _might_ be the best route for society, but that society must always be left open for change and evolution.  Marxism declares a society which is at first enforced by a dictatorship of the proletariat, and then, after a magical period in which the `stat







e whithers away' society will find its perfect and best form for the next thousand years.  Most Anarchists would dismiss this as more tyrannical than capitalism.

>(d89-sme@nada.kth.se)

-- 
"And men are men who till the land, and women are women who weave, fifty men
 own the lemon grove, and no man is a slave." -- Herbert Read

Comrade @ LambdaMOO (telnet lambda.parc.xerox.com 8888) daum@bode.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: frost@netcom.com (John Frost)
Subject: Re: How @ at U?
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 05:02:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Sep14.221035.4289@lclark.edu> tonyd@lclark.edu (Anthony Davis) writes:
>>
>
>We have good disguises... we can appropriate what we need from wherever we find
>it...
>
>i make compromises sometimes so i don't die... but every time i do, i build a 
>time bomb into the situation... someday, they'll all go off at once...
>
>tonyd
>

This is Frostman, here to attest that what tonyd says is true.   !boom!

If anybody else has met tonyd they can attest to the living icon of anarchy
that can be found within him.... especially when you least expect it.

ALl hail the Edge-mongers
Eris is (need I say more)

john, deriving great pleasure from seeing a post from his bud!

Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: mechalas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (John Mechalas)
Subject: Re: Anarchy as a newsgroup?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:28:22 GMT

alt.society.anarchy ????

Aren't those last two words a contradiction in terms?

-- 
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Purdue University Computing Center                 Help put a ban on censorship
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Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: sourada@iastate.edu (Steven D Ourada)
Subject: Re: Anarchy as a newsgroup?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:56:04 GMT

In <1992Sep12.133623.13727@news.nd.edu> mkelly@doc.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:

>Hmmm, I suppose that we are going to start seeing a lot of requests for 
>the purity test, binary sound files and GIFs here. Always sure-fire 
>things guaranteed to bring anarchy to a newsgroup.

>Followups of "send them to me too!" are encouraged.


Actually, the largest category of posts will be pointing out some
"contradiction" like the fact that the name contains both 'society' and
'anarchy'. The next category will be "this is a [stupid|evil|funny]
newsgroup". Next comes the gif requests and crossposts from non-related
groups.

Regardless of this, I hope actual discussions get going here, and that
the garbage seperates itself out quickly.

               Later,
                 Steven Ourada


-- 
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Ask me how Iowa State University is censoring my Usenet access!
sourada@iastate.edu     "can't casts no shadow" -- cummings
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: Anarchy as a newsgroup?
Date: 12 Sep 92 23:51:41 GMT
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Sep12.232200.17921@samba.oit.unc.edu> 
 Michael.Linksvayer@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Michael Linksvayer) writes:
>[alt.society.anarchy] was discussed, a few months ago.

I've delgrouped the barely-used "alt.anarchism" here, and addgrouped
alt.society.anarchy instead.  Other news admins will probably want to
do the same.

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            news@uchinews.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: tonyd@lclark.edu (Anthony Davis)
Subject: Re: icebreaker
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:06:45 GMT

hmm... i feel that there are some things that need to be done...

basic food, clothing, shelter and affection needs must be met for survival as
a human being.  however, once those things are taken care of, there are no more
jobs that "have" to be taken care of... Indolence and spiritual beauty can be
realized...

in a living situation where one can be a farmer in the morning and an artist in
the evening, where everyone cooperates to get the jobs done that need to be done

you will still have the social pressure to conform your tastes to that of the 
community.  "Who's going to clean up this junk pile ?"   "Junk Pile? That's my
sculpture!"

i feel that cooperation can only occur when it just does... you can't rely on
it much... be happy when it does... otherwise, know how to take care of yourself
and your desires.


boogedy,

tonyd

Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: daum@ee.ualberta.ca (Tanya Louise Daum)
Subject: Re: New Woodcock Book, reviews?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 08:52:26 GMT

Anarchism and Anarchists is in fact a collection of a lot of unpublished and previously published essays by Woodcock.

It tends to follow the same sort of attitudes present in _Anarchists_ with the exception of what seems to be a new found optimisim Re: futures for anarchism.

He addresses such topics as pacifism, art, the 60s, and violent revolution in relation to anarchism.

The second half of the book is made up of essays about major anarchist thinkers or activists including Kropotkin, Proudhon, Bakunin, and Herbert Read, and even a short criticism of Noam Chomsky's "Anarchism"

An interesting read from an interesting comrade published to celebrate his 80th birthday.
-- 
  All political States expropriate all saying: "PAY, OBEY, PRODUCE, and
  CONFROM to my almighty will, and I will make you `happy.'"

  Comrade @ LambdaMOO				     daum@bode.ee.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: gmr6139@ultb.isc.rit.edu (G.M. Richard )
Subject: icebreaker
Originator: gmr6139@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 20:27:04 GMT


Well, folks, here we have a new newsgroup, and someone needs to start up
an intelligent conversation. 

I have always thought a mild sort of anarchy, where there are no written
rules, but still a code of ethics, is the way to go.  In the sixties,
(and they ARE still around!!)  a whole bunch of people got sick of
society and decided to go live by themselves in communes.  This wasn't
exactly anarchy, but it wasn't exactly communism either.  One needs to
take under consideration jobs need to be done and babbies need to be
fed.  Therefore, there needs to be a couple of guidelines- for example,
dividing up the work, the food, and whatever else (yes, this is begining
to sound like communism!!)

Well, let's see what people think!

In Search of the Eternal Buzz,
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____________________________________________  gmr6139@ritlav.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy,alt.society.revolution,alt.activism
From: pauls@icecreambar.css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Subject: Current offerings -- FTP Archive
Keywords: ftp
Reply-To: pauls@umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:17:36 GMT

Revolutionary Writings Available Via FTP

ftp.css.itd.umich.edu currently has periodicals,
press-releases, commentary, polemical essays, and
other printed materials from the following groups:

Directory	Occupied by
---------	-----------

/poli/ats.d	Arm the Spirit

		* autonomist / anti-imperialist newsletter

/poli/mim.d	Maoist Internationalist Movement

                * Marxist/Leninist/Maoist party; third world nationalism,
		  revolutionary feminism, communism.

/poli/ww.d      Workers World Party
		
                * Marxist political party, founded 1959
		
		
Most "breaking news" type documents are not archived.
General political writings, position papers, and complete
journals are archived as fast as they can send them to me.

Other groups are welcome to request space.  I am currently seeking
more interesting groups' materials and journals for archiving.
There is no charge.  Activist, anarchist and revolutionary groups
are most welcome.

Individuals are also welcome to submit essays for general
distribution and archiving.  No request for space is necessary;
just send it via email.

Send requests or submissions to:  pauls@umich.edu

Try me!


Paul Southworth
<not currently speaking for>
Consulting and Support Services
Information Technology Division
University of Michigan
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
From: galt%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Greg Alt)
Subject: Re: How @ at U?
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:24:09 MDT
Followup-To: alt.society.anarchy 
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Sep14.170032.15669@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas) writes:
>     So, how can we be anarchists whilsts we are buttlickers of
>     the system, of our profs, of the cops, of our committee members,
>     of any figure of authority? How can we be anarchists in the
>     university?

How about putting a dime in a parking meter?  Paying parking/speeding tickets?
Paying taxes? etc...

An anarchist sees that the only authority a government has is its monopoly
on violence--they have guns, jails, armies, and cops.  If someone comes up
to you on the street, puts a knife to your neck and asks for money, you will
know that he has no legitimate authority to ask for it, but you will give it,
and that is the most intelligent choice.  

A professor has some legitimate authority.  In the ideal sense, a professor
has knowledge that you don't and they are giving it to you.  You listen to
them and follow their directions to gain that knowledge.  If you choose to
ignore a professor, the only coercion you will feel is that you will possibly
not graduate.  But not graduating someone is not coercion.  The coercion that
you would feel is when you can't get a job that you are qualified for just 
because you didn't get your piece of paper.  And many people would argue that
that isn't even coercion, because violence is nessecary for coercion.


Oh, also, I thought I would comment on that newsletter that was posted.  While
it is true that sometimes violence is necessary as a defence, I would think 
that most anarchist have little use for car bombs and land mines.  What gives
us the right to decide to kill someone?  And if we are somehow qualified to
have this power, then what is so wrong about governments having that power?
I would think that neo-nazis and other authoritarians would have much more
use for car bombs and land mines, since they see nothing wrong with violent
coercion.

----
"Dwayne Dibly?!" - The Cat (I've seen 5th season.  Have you?)
----
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From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy,alt.cascade
Subject: Re: Which brand(s) of anarchy?
Date: 15 Sep 92 07:04:04 GMT
 <1992Sep14.221307.26002@ils.nwu.edu> <1992Sep14.234151.15802@colorado.edu>
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <1992Sep14.234151.15802@colorado.edu>,
paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Atharvan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.221307.26002@ils.nwu.edu>,
>hooker@aristotle.ils.mwu.edu ( BOB HOOKER) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep14.041426.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu>,
>>f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>>> 
>>> In article <BuK9pF.H1y@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>, Nomad writes:
>>> > In article <1992Sep14.083156.17203@colorado.edu>, paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Atharvan) writes:
>>> > |> In article <gunnarh.99.716452437@dhhalden.no> gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO) writes:
>>> > |> >In article <1992Sep12.015816.28857@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mbur@nyx.cs.du.edu (MAC) writes:
>>> > |> >>In article <1992Sep11.235439.1323@vela.acs.oakland.edu> wlee@argo.acs.oakland.edu writes:
>>> > |> >>>At long last a newsgroup dedicated to Anarchy!
>>> > |> >>>
>>> > |> >[Original letter deleted]
>>> > |> >>
>>> > |> >>
>>> > |> >>Oh, I see.  This is why cats have sandpaper tongues.
>>> > |> >So, you see. That is why nerds have lawnmower songs.
>>> > |> Slow you pee! That is why birds have sunflower tongs.
>>> > Flow your wee! Fat is why turds have brown paper lungs.
>>> Don't you see?? That is why surfers have lawn mower burn.
>>Note the sea,  That is where surfers hlaf long narrow turns.
>Putt the tee! That is why golfers grow soft marrow bones.
Play some D! That is why footballers know soft pillow moans.
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
From: spl@pitstop.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: Which brand(s) of anarchy?
Date: 12 Sep 92 15:00:35 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
NNTP-Posting-Host: pitstop.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Sep11.235439.1323@vela.acs.oakland.edu> wlee@argo.acs.oakland.edu writes:
>At long last a newsgroup dedicated to Anarchy!

You mean other than the rest of alt.*? :-)

							spl
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UCSD Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UCSD Med School/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
"There was a time when tyrants feared/The new world of the free.
Now freedom is afraid and shrieks/At tyranny." - "Brave New World," A. Macleish
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