From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Immigrants and employment (Was: Re: nationalism...)
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:54:40 GMT
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug18.193732.1@abo.fi>, jmarttila@abo.fi (Fast-Eddie Felson) writes:
|> 
|> The society doesn't want to employ anyone, it's the businesses and
|> organizations that employ people. Nobody has the obligation to employ
|> anyone. It was in a particular eastern country that the society used
|> to employ people. Our western society, however, works so that people
|> are employed only if there's a need for such and even then employers


How is this need defined then ?
Don't people starve in large areas of the world ?


|> can make the choise of who they want to employ O:). Nowadays employers
|> would rather like to get rid of their current employees than employ


I know. But have you ever wondered about this:

After all, when the businesses don't want their workers, they don't
just vanish - they have to keep on living. The society pays the
unemployed. Isn't it a bit strange that the businesses can just "hand
the workers over to the society" to feed them until the businesses
need their working capacity again ? Sort of make others handle the
businesses' problem.

Why should the society pay people to waste their production capacity ?
Instead of paying them for unemployment, the society should "buy their
production capacity", and sell their products. The society can't just
"get rid of the people", like the businesses do - we have to handle it
in some way or another. Why not just handle it in the best way for
both the society and the people ?


|> new people and if someone happened to need workers, he would probably
|> rather take the best educated and most suitable guy to do the job.
|> There's nothing political in this. Would you buy a Trabant that costs
|> 5000kr, if you can get a Lada with the same price? O;)


I wouldn't buy any of these :-)


|>  
|> Yes, Pakistani people are less likely to go in strike and they do the
|> same work with less money. Usually, however, they are offered only


As far as I know, Pakistani workers inside Norway is (or at least
should be) paid as much as norwegian workers, for the same job.

But that's not the point - the point is that immigrants were very
welcome at some time, and (nearly) all, both immigrants and norwegians,
were employed. There were enough jobs for both the norwegians and the
immigrants.
Did the immigrants take the jobs from the norwegians, then ?
Or is it a political/economical question ?


|> the "low-level" jobs like cleaning etc. and in Norway of course they
|> get jobs in ships.
|> I thought you were joking when you said you are a communist O:)


Joking is too serious to make jokes about .-)


|> 
|> 	Greetings,
|> 
|> 	Jouni


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