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From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: Ending the military band
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:19:32 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>Those pianists, they're always playing on the cracks!  But
>to continue this trilling little roman a clef, I think it's
>a pretty sharp tune these punsters are singing, a Mary band
>indeed (well, maybe we should soft-pedal Mary, lest someone
>Sousa).  One of my favorite features in a sax score is the
>repeat signs; I mean, they're flat-out something to get
>keyed up about, ya know.  Just be sure to remember da capo,
>n'est-ce pas?

Mordant, yet with a note of grace, and no slurs. To be breve: vintage Jesspuns.

--Brent
From: urso@spdcc.com (Stephen Chappell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Presidential theme music
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:56:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug29.205654.8491
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Aug23.132435.5062@spdcc.com> pentangl@spdcc.com (Scott Moir) writes:
>When Bush came up to the podium to speak at the Republican National
>Convention they were playing music in the background. (That is normal)
>
>What wasn't normal (and what was confirmed and reported on National
>Public Radio) was that the theme music in question was the title song
>from 'La Cage au Folles'. 8)
>
>Scott
>

One moment I haven't seen reported I heard on a radio broadcast of
the convention, so it might not have made it to TV, but during one
break between speeches, Louis Armstrong's "What a Wonderful (Beautiful? I
can't remember the adjective) World."  My immediate memory of that
song relates to the scene in Good Morning Vietnam when it is played
over scenes of people dying, little kids crying, etc.
 
[] Urso
   who assumes someone will tell us the actual title of the song 

-- 
[] Stephen Chappell (a.k.a. "Urso")
[] urso@ursa-major.spdcc.com
[] 15 Walker Street, Powder House Square   
[] Somerville, MA 02144-1622, USA
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Snaps (no, not *that* kind, Elizabeth) (was Re: New queer terminology) (was Re: The media, again)
Date: 26 Aug 1992 09:50:45 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <mcmelmon-200892111620@mcmelmon.apple.com> 
mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> In article <l906lvINN3pa@mizar.usc.edu>, 
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) wrote:

[quote from my article on snaps deleted]

This is the second time you've written about that article
of mine.  Did I strike a nerve?

> Oh *jesus* *fucking* *christ* you are an aged windbag of an *asshole.*

I consider that a compliment, coming, as it does, from one of 
Pat Buchanan's admirers.

> Our underachievements are many, it is true.  No Flower Children
> revolutions.

I was 11 years old during the Summer of Love.  Not my generation, babe.

> No wallowing naked in the mud listening to bad rock stars.  No sexual
> revolution.  No hippie-yuppie conversions into stock-dealing lizards 
> bankrupting the nation on junk bonds and bank scandals.  No gurus preaching
> the virtues of LSD and pot and 'shrooms.  

Hmmmm.  Didn't you post this before?

> Terribly sad.

Hmmmm. 

> But there is one thing we shall accomplish for which subsequent generations
> will be eternally grateful, and which that generation previous to yours
> only dreams about:
>
> We're going to bury you, asshole.  Deep. 

That sounds curiously familiar.

> Matthew Melmon
> Apple Computer, Inc.
> If my opinions were Apple's, I'd be driving a shiny car 

I get it!  "Matthew Melmon" is new software!  Hey, "Matthew",
glad you got your little problem with possessives fixed.

Arne
From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: British spellings
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:48:01 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, 86/92 Causewayside, Edinburgh EH9 1PY, UK


In article <1992Sep1.070241.6928@reed.edu>,
nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

> >judgement
> 
> I don't have a British dictionary handy to me, so I might be
> completely wrong, but isn't the accepted American spelling "judgment"
> while the accepted British spelling is "judgement"?

Both are used in the UK.  I tend to "judgement" myself.

With regard to "colour", "humour" etc:  These are probably
the most stubbornly-adhered to British spellings.  The
"-or" spellings really leap out of the page to a British
reader.  And yet the "-our" spellings only date back to
Johnson.

Btw, although we write "vigour" and "humour", the correct
spellings are "vigorous", "humorous", not "vigourous", etc.

> I'm not so good at the "ize/ise" distinction. My immediate thought is
> to write "industrialize", although "industrialise" looks more proper
> to me. Are all words that in American are written "-ize" written in
> British "-ise"?

British usage varies.  The traditional practice is to use
"-ise" for those words which come via French (corresponding
to French "-iser") and "-ize" for those which come directly
from the Greek (corresponding to "-izein") or via scholastic
Latin ("-izare").  Modern formations like "industrialize"
are reckoned to count with the latter. 

On the other hand, Fowler(*) and the Oxford and Cambridge
University Presses, for example, take the view that since
this suffix always comes ultimately from "-izein" and is
also pronounced with a /z/ sound, there's no reason spell
them differently.  They therefore spell them *all* "-ize",
with the following exceptions, which *don't* come from
"-izein":

   advertise   advise  apprise  chastise   circumcise
   comprise    compromise   demise   despise  devise
   disfranchise  enfranchise  enterprise  excise  exercise
   improvise  incise  premise  revise  supervise  surmise
   surprise  televise

Lots of British and American people will tell you that
using z for all of them is an American-only usage, but this
is wrong.  To spell with a z is perfectly good British
spelling. 

Myself, I find I use "-ize" rather less than Fowler
recommends, and especially I tend not to use it for modern
formations.  I've been influenced by 3L's house style, which
is to use "-ise" always. 

Btw, Fowler recommends "connexion", "inflexion" etc,
although most British people regard these as American
spellings.  I use them, although 3L house style doesn't. 

Sorry if all this isn't arcane enough for you, Nelson.
Heaven knows why you're interested in all this stuff...

(*) Fowler: Fowler's _Modern English Usage_, OUP.

--John
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 15:55:53 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug28.040208.28559@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob 
Sarver) writes:
>
>When a local TV station airs a gay parade, and the leather / drag contingent
>is spotlighted, that gets beamed into thousands of homes.  Now, imagine:
>we only have perhaps 30 seconds to make a statement to thousands of
>Americans.  A precious resource.  It seems like squandering the resource
>to _play_into_the_hands_of_the_bigots by giving them the circus they
>want to see.  

What makes you think that the parade would get *any* coverage if it weren't
for the drag queens and hairy butch people in totally revealing leather? 

It's not our resource to squander.  Perhaps it ought to be, but it's not.

-- 

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From: fredh@spdcc.com (Fred Huntington)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the openness of USENET
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:35:44 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Aug26.164929.13511@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>	BTW --- if any of you are outthere would you do me the
>favor of COMING OUT TO ME as my supportive (or hostile) friends?
>[I wonder what I just let myself in for...]

Um.  I have suspected for more than a year that you were gay.  But I
support you in whatever you want to do.  

Fred 
:-) :-)
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Irish and Irish-American
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:03:20 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <seanbheanbhocht@vadier.gr.osf.org>
emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:

>kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:

>>In article <iris_leathair@vadier.gr.osf.org>
>>emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:

>>>If nothing else, it appears that the Irish-Irish are more tolerant
>>>than the Irish-Americans

>><Ahem>

>Feel free to quote me out of context.

That's OK. Feel free to ignore my facetiousness.

Brian
From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Foreign-born Gay Asians
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:38:18 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, 86/92 Causewayside, Edinburgh EH9 1PY, UK


In article <64576@cup.portal.com>,
Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:

> I'd like to hear from other foreign-born Asian gays as to whether mos
> t ASian gays pick it up from culture, or are simply born that way
> [...]

Hey, that's great!  I'm not Asian but I am foreign-born
(compared to LA) and my grandfather was Asian since he were
born in India (Imperial Medical Service) and my Uncle Guy
died in Bombay after whole career running a quack clinic for
wealthy film-stars.  Any how, who cares because here is the
truth from government statistics!

====================================================================

                Born in  Born in  Born in  Born in  Born in  Born in
                China    Irkutsk  Karachi  Gaza     Istanbul LA

Absolutely        42       41       40       39       38       37
straight

Fairly gay        36       35       34       33       32       31

Incredibly        30       29       28       27       26       25
butch

Moderately        24       23       22       21       20       19
nelly

Very young        18       17       16       15       14       13
and queer

Old and           12       11       10        9        8        7
boring

Lusting after      6        5        4        3        2        1
Brian Blessed

=====================================================================

I think these figure are amazing, in that three time as many
people born in Gaza are fairly gay as old and boring people
born in Irkutsk.  Most important, *forty-two* times as many
people who is born in China are absolutely straight as
people born in LA are lusting after Brian Blessed!  People
who feel surprised that gay Asians don't go to bars but stay
home and reads Hsiao Ching to their blind parents (lesbians
only helping their elderly mothers with foot-bindings) or
explain kindly to them all tables of new statistics about
HIV and Native Americans, please read all this and perhaps
you understand.  Hey, who knows?

--John
From: cardenas@tangent.ucsb.edu (Cardenas;Mary;P.;;;MECE;Graduate;930630;;200)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The lost language of cranes
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:56:43 GMT

cheryl.cato@tamu.edu (Cheryl Cato) writes:

>*** 
>***Missing a few years of his life?
>***Not being able to communicate?
>*** 

>How about - "being ripped away from the life that was normal to him because
>it didn't conform to society's list of acceptable standards"?  (Much like the father, maybe?)

In the book, they kept mentioning the fact that the crane child
was taught english, and therefore lost his own language.

So the father 'lost' his language,
(it was taken away by those who
thought their language was more appropriate)
while his son and his friends did not
(is the author making a comment on progress?).
Although the young men certainly learned the
'normal', straight language, they also got to
keep their own language.

>Cheryl Cato
>Texas A&M University
>cheryl.cato@tamu.edu

mary
mary@ferkel.ucsb.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: adoption
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:10:23 GMT

> jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
>> pmele@ldgo.columbia.edu (phil mele):
>> one of the points being that as an unmarried couple
>> living apart who were allowed to adopt children, a president is set that
>> should make it easier for gay people to adopt.
>
>i knew i liked bill clinton... :-)

That's "precedent," Phil!  It's already relatively simple for
unmarried *individuals* to adopt, at least in California.  I
think I mentioned here before that there's a special office in
San Francisco's Social Services Department just to deal with
foster-parent and adoption applications from gay and lesbian
couples *and* singles.  Pat Buchanan would have *conniptions*... :-)
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia [BUSH's Convention Speechwriterc is a FAG!]
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:20:09 GMT

> buckmr@vccsouth21.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>Ugh! The latest EXTREME case of homohomophobia [as GENRE cutely coined the 
>term last year] I have seen recently is the revelation by _QW_ that the author
>of Bush's convention speech, [Phillip/Roger Nobile (sp?)], is gay!

Huh?  I don't know who wrote Bush's speech (mercifully, I was
out of the country & missed it), but I doubt that it was Philip
Nobile.  There's a delicious article by him in the April 12,
1992 edition of NYC (now QW) speculating on Pat Buchanan's
probable homosexuality, and the tiny bio accompanying it says
he writes for the Village Voice, and has a forthcoming book on
the history of intercourse.  Wouldn't be *prudent* to write
speeches for Bush on the side... :-)
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: A Short History ofDiscrimination in the Military
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:36:35 GMT

jcav@quads.uchicago.edu (JohnC) writes:

>In article <_pny9dj@rpi.edu> buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>>a History of Discrimination in the American Military
>>
>>1948: President Harry Truman allows African-Americans to serve in the military.

>Didn't Truman order the racial _integration_ of the military?  I'm pretty
>certain that blacks served (in segregated units, with white officers) at
>least since the first World War.  There were also black regiment(s) in the
>Union army during the Civil War.
Yes, you are quite correct. I just typed in the Orange County Blade timeline
verbatim, without really reading it or editing it for accuracy, much.
-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. "D.C. in '93!"
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"A visceral recoil from homosexuality is the natural reaction of a healthy
society wishing to preserve itself." Pat Buchanan, March 27, 1991, N.Y. POST
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: JESS ON BRINK, NEEDS DISCIPLINE (Was Re: practicing roles)
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:11:57 GMT

bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob "TQ" Sarver) writes:

[to Jess]
>You might take advantage of that professional counseling that you are 
>so willing to recommend to others.  It might help you identify why
>you lack control over your stronger emotions, and discover the root
>of the fear that drives you to the brink so often.

Jess, when you find that help that you need so badly, please recommend
me for a referral, willya?  I, too, need to discover the *GREAT* *BIG* *ROOT*
of that *STRONG* *DRIVING* *FEAR*.  I, too, am on the *BRINK*.

Then again, whenever I feel that I lack *CONTROL*, I simply see our
Nan KKruella, who... umm... bakes me *BIG* *MOLASSES* *BISCUITS* and... 
umm... shows me her *LONG* *SCARY* *IMPLEMENTS*.  Control returns at once.

Then *again*, you yourself are Deputy, ma'am, isn't that so?  Why, that
Sargon-boy is *so* silly--how could the very *deputy* of Control Herself,
the Adjutant to *Command Central*, lack control?

Never mind...

P.S. for Bahb:    GRR!  >:-?

--Brent
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Peter Gomes
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:46:19 GMT


I have been trying to determine if thi Peter Gomes is  the same Peter Gomes
THE NEW REPUBLIC referred to in a piece on Gay Republicans in June. They
mentioned some guy who was gay and whose last name was Gomes and had something
to do with Reagan's inauguration.


Anyone know more about this?

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C., April 25 1993''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"Jane." --Lily Tomlin, when asked "Who's your family in LA?"
From: sdonahue@pbs.org (Susan Donahue (10,000 Maniacs minus 1))
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CALL 202-456-1111 to support Queer-positive media programming!
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:49:26 GMT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

> 	You can bet that the far right will be calling Bush to urge him to veto 
> HR-2977.
> 	He also must hear from supporters of the Corporation for Public 
> Broadcasting and those appalled by the evangelical rights use of hate 
> mongering to kill public broadcasting.
> 	Call the White House comment line at 202-456-1111 (9 a.m. - 5 p.m. EDT).
> Tell them you support HR 2977.  Or you can fax the White House at 202-456-2461.
	
	## Any support for public broadcasting is always welcome, BUT
	President Bush signed the bill authorizing funding on Tuesday 8/25
	or Wednesday 8.26 [scratching head...can't remember which day].
	*This* year's battle is over....please support public broadcasting
	through your local radio and television stations.

	Regards,
	 Susan
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jeans (was Re: Rob Bernardo)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 21:16:01 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <2-!nahj.jfh@netcom.com><1992Aug21.202242.22816@nstn.ns.ca>
  <92240.145751IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>

Ailsa writes:
>re peni-pads:
>does this mean that men don't use toilet paper?  wow...

They don't *HAVE* TP dispensers at urinals.
 
() What sane person could live in this world and not be
() crazy?
()      -- Ursula LeGuin
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: We homosexuals *can* have fun in bed!
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:48:34 GMT

My boyfriend David & I had a funny incident this morning in bed.  When he
dreams near waking hours (and I'm often awake then at 6:00 a.m.), he
often continues his dreams in real conversation with me while still half
asleep.  When I gave him a little peck on the cheek this morning while lying
beside him, he told me, "We'd better evacuate the building because of the
flood," apparantly having dreamed about Hurricane Andrew.  "But honey," I
said, "we live on the second floor.  Why do we have to evacuate?"  He
replied, "So we don't get wet.  Do you have any other questions?"

I proceeded to play a game with him:
	Jim: "What's the square root of pi?"
	David: "3.144."
	Jim: "Wrong.  Try again."
	David: "1.144."
	Jim: "Still wrong."
	David: "2.144."
	Jim: "Nope.  Try again."
	David: "I'm too tired.  What is it?"
	Jim: "1.77."

I then continued to abuse him:
	Jim: "If a woodchuck would chuck wood, how much wood would
	      a woodchuck chuck?"
	David: "None."
	Jim: "Nope.  Try again."
	David: "I don't know.  How much?"
	Jim: "A lot.  David, would you like to see Ronald Reagan's
	      dick?"
	David: "Oh stop it Jim."
	Jim: "Well then, how about George Bush's dick."
	David: "Ugh."
	Jim: "OK.  Would you like to see Nancy Reagan's tits?"
	David: "Cut it out, I'm nauseous now."

At this point I returned to my side of the bed for a little chuckle, and
realized that yes, we homosexuals can have a lot of fun in bed, and it's
not even sex.

--
Jim Wood [jwood@siemens.siemens.com] (609) 734-3643
"Rise up on the wings of eagles, and two step among the stars.
 You are not forgotten.  Your smile will echo forever."
   -- Ryerson Schwark, to my friend Rob Bernardo.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:51:59 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.



orr@perlis.mcs.gvsu.edu (Wes Orr {Academic Computing}) writes:
>I tend to agree.  I have seen more and more masculine homosexuals lately.
>In fact, we have a group in Grand Rapids that is supportive in nature
>for gays in their teens.  One of the rules, however, is that you cannot
>refer to each other using feminine pronouns.  I like that a lot.


(rdonahue)
/
/	You mean all the lesbians in your group have to call each other
/"he"?  Isn't that a little stupid?

It's an all-male group, bozo.  You miss the point deliberately.



/(rdonahue)
/	This must be another version of the word "support" to which I
/was not previously aware.

I shudder to think how deliberately unaware you strive to make yourself.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: practicing roles
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: i yam what i yam
Organization: practicing faggots
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:27:46 GMT

(first, apologies to fj!!  i sent off a reply just to you, then
had the thought that what i said might have wider applicability,
so i posted it as well.  not something i think i've ever done
before.)

fj!! has this intense "i yam what i yam" feeling about a whole
collection of his "gay" behaviors (as well as about being gay itself).
all this is what feels right for him, and even the sometimes desperate
desire to change these things (and so to please other people, or to
fit in better, or whatever) makes no dent in them.  he feels like a
solid left-hander being asked to do everything with his right hand,
and sometimes wanting to oblige, but just not being able to.

i understand this feeling, and have its analogue about many aspects of
myself - most especially, about homoerotic desire.  i could no more
imagine focusing my erotic desire entirely on women (though there was
a time, long ago, when i desperately wanted to do just that) than i
could imagine becoming able to fly by flapping my arms.

but to get back to behaviors: it's only a bit less difficult for me to
imagine myself doing either drag or the swaggering tough-guy role.

but none of this is contradictory to the idea that in large part we
create our ensembles of behaviors in response to models we find in
other people, either by reacting against them and rejecting them, or
by resonating with them and imitating them.  we might be inclined by
our natures to seek out certain models or anti-models - an idea that
was implicit in my "sexuality as an organism" posting that jojo has
now said such interesting things in response to - but we don't operate
without inputs.  if we did, the behavioral signs of "femininity",
"masculinity", "female homosexuality", "youth", and so on would be the
same all over the world, but (as mike siemon observed briefly but
clearly with respect to femininity/masculinity) they are not.

to get a very strong feeling that *this behavior IS me*, all it takes
is some priming from nature, realized as selective attention to
certain models and anti-models, and a lot of experience over a fair
number of years, which we all get as part of growing up.  by the
time it occurs to any of us to think or talk *about* these behaviors,
they have been practiced so long and so well it seems that they
are as automatic as breathing.  but then so does speaking your
native language...

arnold