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From: pmw2c@csissun12.ee.Virginia.EDU (Paul Michael Wayner)
Subject: Re: bunny round and other weird words
Reply-To: pmw2c@csissun12.ee.Virginia.EDU (Paul Michael Wayner)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:37:08 GMT

In article <180qh4INNehq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>,
bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance) writes:
|> True, I couldn't see much of my
|> opponents; but if I got close enough, _they_ couldn't see _me_ AT
ALL!
|> It's easy to get kills when your opponent sticks his head over the
top
|> of his shield to see where you've gone - BOINK!
|> 
|> BTW, I got to hear the above story from Duke Lloyd himself, as well
as
|> the other variation.  Use a small round shield and a good, solid
mace;
|> run up to your opponent (who has a shield the size of a barn door);
hook
|> your shield arm over the top of your opponent's shield (a gross abuse
of
|> the shield-snatch rule); pull yourself off the ground and above the
top
|> of the shield; and proceed to pummel your opponent about the head
and
|> shoulders without the barn door in the way.

Another, less strenuous option, is to just throw a wrap shot (also
called 
a return blow) and hit your opponent on the back of the head or on the 
buttocks, ignoring his shield.

Conrad Hebenstorm				Paul Wayner
Shire of Isenfir, Atlantia			Charlottesville, VA
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From: sbloch@silver.cs.umanitoba.ca (Stephen Bloch)
Subject: Re: Carmina Burana CD
Organization: Computer Science, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:29:59 GMT

guth@unixg.ubc.ca (Geoff Guth) writes:
>I have the opportunity to acquire a CD called "Carmina Burana, Vol I"
>(NOT the Orff version) with transcriptions by Thomas Binkley with the
>Studio der Fru"hen Musik; conducted by Thomas Binkley.
>
>That's all the info I have on the recording.  If anyone out there has
>it, I would appreciate their opinions on whether it is a good buy, or
>whether I should save my money for something else....

I don't have it myself (don't have a CD player, either), but I've
heard it after my friend Rufina (who's much more extensively trained
in early music than I) recommended it.  In specific, she says the old
Studio der Fru"hen Musik recordings are starting to sound a little
dated as research advances on performance practice, but their vocal
stuff (including CB, vols. I and II) has aged well.

I listened to most of vols. I and II in the library, and liked what I
heard quite a bit, especially since I'd brought sheet music with me
and could follow along with some of the songs.  Go for it.

			    mar-Joshua ibn-Eleazar ha-Shalib
-- 
					Stephen Bloch
				sbloch@silver.cs.umanitoba.ca
From: carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Alexander of Kiev (mka Carl Alexander))
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Great diesel beasts at Pennsic
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:32:11 GMT
Organization: The Rialto

John McGuire (John T Dillon) writes:
>
>  The great diesel beasts at Pennsic were an annoyance, bleating their 
>challenge out in both daylight and darkness.  However blame not all of 
>them as being unfriendly and malicious.  Most of them were blaring not to
>awaken campers, but to express displeasure and alarm at the throng of smaller
>dragons perched on the roadside, or in the road, peering into the camp.
>
I suspect the State of Pennsylvania would be happy to permit us to 
engage in a roadside beautification project:  We could acquire a 
bunch of saplings, of one of those fast-growing tree varieties that 
various lumber companies have developed, and plant them in a fairly 
close-packed row along the fence, as far up the embankment as the 
State would permit.  If we did the planting during the war, there'd 
be plenty of volunteer labour.  (We'd want to have the holes dug 
beforehand, of course -- doing that by hand would be a little too 
period for most people's taste -- but I suspect the Coopers own 
a backhoe; if not, it wouldn't be that expensive to rent one for 
a day or two.  Dropping the trees off a truck, setting them in 
the holes, and filling in the holes wouldn't be a big deal for a 
bunch of healthy young fighters.)  If we started off with 15-foot 
saplings, it would do some good immediately, and probably make 
the campground completely invisible from the highway by PW XXX.
I for one would be willing to contribute both time and money to 
such an effort; I suspect the Coopers would as well.  (For those 
who object that we may not be at Coopers' Lake that much longer:
I disagree, for a variety of reasons there's no point in going 
into here.  But you're entitled to your opinion:  if you think 
it would be a wasted effort, then don't contribute to the effort.)
 
I'm serious about this, and would like to know what other people 
think.  (Can you tell I was camped on the Serengetti, too close 
to I-79?)
 
Alexander of Kiev                       Carolingia, East

Carl Alexander                          Harvard Square, Cambridge, Mass.
carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu 
 
From: Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Welsh History
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 03:02:32

Rhys, I'd like to converse with you about Welsh history, but you 
 didn't leave an E-Mail address.  (Your original message was on 6/22 
 I guess you can tell how fast *I* move, huh?)
     I'm not incredibly well-versed, but we could trade sources and 
 such.
     Gwenllian Cwmystwyth ferch Morfudd
      Beth.Appleton@p0.f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
From: Jeff Lee <jlee@smylex.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: almost live steel.
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 18:31:31 EDT
Organization: Shipbrook Software  (Tampa, FL)

Greetings from Godfrey!

In article <1992Aug25.154013.24741@pbhya.PacBell.COM>, whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
> In article <1992Aug25.034258.4258@egf-bbs.uucp> aboz@egf-bbs.uucp (Aboz the Untidy) writes:
>>One of our fighters, (the short one) has suggested that one reason we
>>don't get many people to try fighting is that it doesn't look real enough.
>> He has suggested that for _demos_ we use theatrical steel blades.
> 
> It's a bad idea unless your two fighters want to work exclusively with
> steel and train specifically for that.  Mixing the two modes is the
> likeliest method I know of to generate a trip to the hospital--or
> worse.  Unless *great* care is taken, it's very difficult to develop
> two sets of the 'right reflexes' and to switch between them.

I've heard this particular argument used to try and dissuade fighters from 
attempting period rapier combat.  Now, while I HAVE seen one person attempt
a wrap shot with a foil (and have unfortunately fenced against one or two 
individuals who apparently use heavy-weapons blow calibration when taking 
shots from a foil or epee), in general most fighter/fencers do not have any
problem switching between the two modes.

If using live steel for demo purposes, however, I don't think it would be 
so much "reflexes" as "choreography".

(Now, mind you, I personally feel that using live steel -- even 
choreographed at half speed for demos -- is a Bad Thing.  I just
can't resist the urge to play Devil's Advocate once in a while...)

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| SCA:  Lord Godfrey de Shipbrook / Wyvernwood, Trimaris                 |
|       Per pale azure and argent, a clarion counterchanged or and gules |
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      "Of course!  Lager!  The only thing that can kill a vindaloo!"
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Elizabethan Fashions
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:29:08 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Aryk (A.J.S. Nusbacher) writes:

>The _Elizabethan Handbook_ and the forthcoming _Chaucerian Handbook_ ...
>provide the minimum of information needed to allow people without previous
>experience to attend such a re-creation.  

Maybe for you, Aryk, but perhaps not for the fairer sex.  That corset
pattern does not include the tabs or peplems at the bottom, and without
those it will chafe badly.  I doubt if a women could wear that for very
long before she had to take it off...

Oh, I see your point. :-)

-- Nicholas van Leyden
From: bnostran@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (Barbara Nostrand)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: SCA Heraldry and Copyright Law
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:55:47 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA

Gentles!

Recently there has been some discussion on the heralds list about
whether SCA armoury is protected by copyright law, whether it 
should be and if so who owns it.  I believe that this is one
aspect of a general question concerning what the society as a
whole expects from the "protection" afforded by registration
with the CoA.  Thus, I hope that there will be some discussion
of what the populace desires in regards to name and device
"protection."

					Your Humble Servant
					Solveig Throndardottir
					Totally Ignorant
From: Jeff Lee <jlee@smylex.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Armour costs (was Re: Steel Demos)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 22:46:46 EDT
Organization: Shipbrook Software  (Tampa, FL)

Greetings from Godfrey!

In article <ewright.714844073@convex.convex.com>, ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
> William de Corbie ("]ke Eldberg") writes:
> 
>>Instead, they get a couple of guys in baseball-look open helms, dirty
>>gambesons, hockey gloves and various more or less incongruous bits of
>>steel, padding and plastic. They get garden-hose edged shields, basket
>>hilts, jeans and Nikes.
> 
> So?  Everytime I see a commercial for Nikes, they seem to sell for
> upwards of fifty bucks.  You can get a servicable pair of boots for
> the same price.  Likewise, you certainly find some less noticeably
> OOP pants for the same price as those jeans.  Hockey gloves and
> garden-hose-edged shields seem to be popular in certain areas,

I don't know about all areas, but the last time I priced *really good* 
hockey gloves, they cost more than the articulated steel gauntlets I
really wanted to buy at Pennsic.


> True, not everyone can afford the best-looking armor.

I know I can't.  I'm trying to get into heavy-weapons fighting, but I'm 
not going to even begin until I can afford armour which -- though it may
not be the best-looking -- will protect me adequately.  (Most important
to me are the gauntlets; everything I do, including my mundane job,
requires the use of my fingers.)

I'm going to have to start out with mainly plastic, simply because I
can't afford metal.  But cloth can cover a multitude of sins, including
plastic armour...


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| Net:  Jeff Lee / jlee@smylex.uucp / jlee%smylex.uucp@tscs.tscs.com     |
| SCA:  Lord Godfrey de Shipbrook / Wyvernwood, Trimaris                 |
|       Per pale azure and argent, a clarion counterchanged or and gules |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
      "Of course!  Lager!  The only thing that can kill a vindaloo!"
From: jtn@nutter.cs.vt.edu (Terry Nutter)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Ilaine's suggestion...
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:45:59 GMT
Followup-To: The Rialto
Organization: SCA

Greetings all, especially Julitta, from Angharad ver' Rhuawn.  
Julitta bemoaned the difficulties of indicating what music was
authentic without interspersing performances with wholly unsuitable
lectures.  Ilaine suggested an in-persona reference to period material
("I had it of Mr. Ravenscroft's delightful collection _Melismata_"
or whatever).  In response Julitta said,

>Ilaine,
>I've tried that.  It is invariabley not accepted
>as sufficient.  I can't blame them, they want to know
>where they can go look it up, so they can use it
>in documentation.  They want to know book, author, &
>if I knew it, the ISBN.  Well, that IS what you need
>to look a book up with...  So the conversation goes
>off into things I'd rather not talk about when performing.
>I suppose I could make up little cards with the documentation
>on them, & just slide them into people's hands.....
>I suspect that I would be forever losing the little
>cards, tho.
>Julitta

First, I wonder who doesn't take it as sufficient, and what is wrong
with "Perhaps we could speak of this tomorrow morning when we are ready
to leave, as I fear a longer discourse will disrupt the revelry"?

However: how many sources are involved?  Could you not write one letter
to the _Acorn_ listing frequently requested period songs and the sources
they come from?  From what you said last February when we discussed 
such sources in my living room, it seemed that you could not be working 
from more than two such collection then.  Unless this has changed a _lot_
in the intervening months, it would only take a paragraph to get the 
information to the Kingdom.  Thereafter, if anyone asks, you need only 
say, "I found this in a lovely collection, which, as I recall, I described 
in a letter on that subject that was posted in last November's [or whatever 
month's] _Acorn_."

Sources too extensive to be printed in an _Acorn_ letter could be published
in an article in the _Oak_, or, if they are not the more commonly known
sources, in _TI_.

Performances are _not_ the place for documentation.  Still, if it isn't
ever pointed out that these things are period, no one will ever get the
information, no one will ever know that the songs they like _are_ period,
and up-and-coming performers will continue to think that the target to
aim for is making up modern music on vaguely medievaloid themes and 
performing it, since after all, that's what [to the best of their 
knowledge!] the Kingdom Notable is doing, and getting a Pearl for. 
(Michael's having you sing "Lions" in court to exemplify the reason for
your award rather encourages that view.)

Rather than worry about the difficulties of documenting at events, surely
it would be simpler to document away from them, in an SCA source that is
easily available, and then refer to that.

Yours in Service to the Society,

-- Angharad ver' Rhuawn/Terry Nutter
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From: jeffs@math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki)
Subject: live steel, live wood
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:53:47 GMT

Berwynn writes:

>One of our fighters, (the short one) has suggested that one reason we
>don't get many people to try fighting is that it doesn't look real enough.

I don't know about demos, but at fighter practice, most people get
interested before they get close enough to realize, "Hey, that's not
real metal that they're swinging at each other."  They're attracted
primarily by the motion and the sound.

What is essential is that the fighters _look_ good, from a distance,
regardless of whether they're fighting or not.  Flashy tabards work,
as do nicely polished helms (problematic in some areas like Boston,
where nicely polished helms turn into nicely rusted ones with alarming
speed...).  

Besides, IMHO, it would be an unethical "bait and switch" tactic to
use choreographed live steel and then say, "But to really fight in the
SCA, you use rattan and it's not choreographed..."

Fujimoto
From: boris@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (boris)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: SCA Heraldry and Copyright Law
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 02:55:25 CST
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

kenm@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (...Jose) writes:

> In article <N9BBqB1w164w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca> boris@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (bori
> >bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
> >
> >
> > Here in North America (and in many many places) Hearldry is just an art 
> >form and the individual armorials are works in that art form.
> 
> 	Am I to understand that the above was written by a *Manitoban*....
> a fellow Canadian?  Sigh.  In th United States of America, heraldry is
> just another art for like corporate logos or the Golden Arches; here in
> Canada, heraldry is heraldry, and rights to arms come down from the 
> crown (until recently via the Ulster, Garter or Lyon King of Arms, but
> since 1988 from the Canadian College of Arms).  Take a look at the arms
> on any Canadian bill, or the crest on the Manitoba or Ontario flag, or at 
> your city hall.
What??? We finally got our own College????
 So how come no one told me????

 Really I had thought that the repatriation had deprived us of any claims 
to 'more then just art work' armorials.  I stand corrected. 

 However I stand by my assertion that sca arms are nothing more than art 
work. To be valid as true armorials they would have to be registered. 
Only then would you have the right to stop someone else from using yours.

;--- (boris) a user of sys6626, running waffle 1.64
;E-mail: boris@sys6626.bison.mb.ca
;system 6626: 63 point west drive, winnipeg manitoba canada R3T 5G8
From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Historical Accuracy (was Re: COVINGTON CROSS)
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:18:34 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug26.193248.6541@zip.eecs.umich.edu> charles@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Charles Jacob Cohen) writes:

>Everytime, and I mean *everytime* I see a show with my SCA friends that
>has to do with the middle ages, they can never sit back and watch it, they
>have to nit pick every little detail and tear it to shreads.  This wouldn't
>be so bad, but the SCA isn't perfect either! 

I wouldn't mind the costumes and armor at all, especially given the cool
settings, but the writing, acting, and editing were horrendous. The daughter
acted like a spoiled brat instead of a strong woman. Cedric was simply a
one-note complaint. The Frenchwoman appeared to be almost random in the story,
since the characters alternated chasing after her or forgetting she even
existed. The transitions between scenes were jumpy, as if pieces had been 
cut out. There were cliches riddled throughout. It was a good idea, execrably
executed.

Branwen ferch Emrys
The Mists, the West



--
                                          Karen Williams
                                          branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
"Don't whine. Warrior women speak in a husky whisper."
  -- Brat Pack #3
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From: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: bunny round and other weird words
Date: 1 Sep 1992 18:25:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, T. Archer says (commenting on Sir Otto's quote):

>>How about "port-a-fort" for a _large_ shield.
>>
>Also known as the "Meridian WarDoor."
>
And known in Ansteorra as a "small tourney shield". 8-)

Mikjal Annarbjorn
(who left Ansteorra just after he discovered that most of his opponent's
shields were bigger than he is - you can't hit what you can't see! 8-)
-- 
Michael A. Chance          St. Louis, Missouri, USA    "At play in the fields
Work: mc3078@sw1sta.sbc.com                             of St. Vidicon"
Play: bq434@cleveland.freenet.edu
      mchance@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: leeu@nobeltech.se (Leif Euren)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Drachenwald to be kingdom
Date: 26 Aug 92 07:11:24 GMT
Organization: NobelTech AB

Tibor wrote:
>To repeat: it wasn't a petition that was presented at Pennsic, but
>the overall impression that was given was: the process is beginning,
>and will complete in less than a years time.

And it was this overoptimistic schedule that filled the East Kingdom
officers with glee.  At least I beleive so.  A more sensible belief
over here is that it'll take up to two years.  But we'll have to start
somewhere and somewhen, or it will not happen.

To say the least, the discussions here on the Rialto have enlightened
me much, and I thank you all for your views in this matter.  And
please continue to post them.  If we can reach consensus her on the
Rialto, then my hope for it in our discussions with BoD will raise
dramatically.

  Herr Peder Klingrode                    | Leif Euren    Stockholm, Sweden
  Holmgard, Nordmark, Drachenwald, East   | leeu@nobeltech.se

    NOTE: All opinions are my own, even if my employer claims otherwise!
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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Heraldic nitpick (was Re: COVINGTON CROSS)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:55:49 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!  Deudone' wrote:

> 	ObNitToPick: Did anyone notice that the pattern on the coachman's
> cloak was the royal arms of France? (azure, semy de lis)  Was the sheep
> trader/spy royalty?

It could have been a gift; maybe she was just the king's bit of fluff.

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Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com