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From: jfrawley@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Judy Frawley)
Subject: QUERY: Cubanella and Hot Pepper - Need HELP
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 10:54:09 EDT

Last night, my boyfriend (SO) bought two types of peppers
1-cubanella
2-hot peppers (I can't remember the specific name, but it is
  rich, dark green, and it is about six inches long)

I am not really sure if I should cut the hot pepper without 
gloves or something.  Any suggestions? I want to use it before
it starts to shrivel, but I have no idea what to do with it other
than maybe cut it up and cook it with something else.

The cubanella I have even less of any idea - is it hot?  Can it
be eaten raw?  

HELP! ! !  He loves peppers and has had cubanella peppers before, but
is not a cook and has no idea what I should do with them.  I admit
that I am rarely stumped by a vegetable, but I'm stumped here :-)

Also, for the sake of discussion, do these types of peppers offer the
same sort of nutritional attributes of say regular sweet red/green peppers?
I know that green/red/yellow/orange are high in vitamin C in varying 
amounts, but I have always been curious if the HOT peppers offer the
same sort of nutritional value.

Re:  Rich Young and Michael Traub....I admit that I do not always offer
     answers to questions because I am too afraid of being flamed.  I did
     answer one question and was tired and typed in my info incorrectly
     and got publicly flamed by mr. dyer, not Rich or Michael.  
     The arguing is a bit tedious, and I generally
     kill those articles, but not everyone has that capability, so I really
     wouldn't mind if they sent their arguments to e-mail when they become
     so bogged down in detail.  By far, I enjoy reading Mr. Traub's 
     articles, but do find that both of them tend to evangelize, and that
     can be a turn off.  I am not a meat eater; I have gotten great support
     from just reading this group and knowing that I am not alone in my
     efforts.  I have been ovo-lacto vegetarian for over a year now, and
     I couldn't have done it without this newsgroup; both in terms of
     recipes and simply having somewhere to ask questions.  I try not
     to be a parasite...honestly, I do.  I cannot always post and sometimes
     can only read due to time constraints - I do have to get SOME work done
     :-).

Judy Frawley
From: jcbbalt@rocky8.rockefeller.edu (JCB Editor)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Veg burgers--is this as good as it gets?
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:16:25 GMT
Reply-To: jcb@rocky8 (JCB Editor)
Organization: Rockefeller Univ.,N.Y.C 10021

In article <ELI.92Jul30103457@regal.cisco.com> eli@cisco.com (Steve Elias) writes:
>
>many veggie burgers are chock full of oil and calories from the oil.
>more so than a decent hamburger!  read those labels...
>there are a few varieties on the market and at least one brand
>has fewer than 20% of calories from fat.
>
>/eli
>--
>Does anyone know what these brands might be?
carson

>/* eli@cisco.com */
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
Subject: Re: Rich & Michael
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:53:32 GMT

Charles Parr writes:

[previous postings deleted for brevity]

>You know I think you are right. I got one piece of hate mail from
>an ALF member, and 4 people congratulating me on what an
>*appropriate* flaming this was. 

Well, should we here mention your recent own hate e-mail to me?

Now, no one here is impressed by this kind of straw polling of 
invidious remarks about a particular person.  Most of us are
beyond such weak attempts to seek personal confirmation 
or commiseration by such unseemly straw polls.  


>At least four people on this group seem to think Traub
>is a real jerk.
> . . .

Instead of discursive argument all we have here is another 
otiose voicing of a rude and insulting remark.

I am afraid that you are only making my point about some omnivores
whose defensive outbursts takes the form of rudely dismissing
and attacking the person instead of the arguments
and facts.

                                         ted

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: sammy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (Sammy)
Subject: Re: nonfat vegan hotdogs
Organization: The Comp Center
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 01:29:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.120001.1888@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> red_trek@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>
>Speaking of fat content, I never saw any replies posted to that
>query about where in the world we can find some decent nonfat
>soymilk??  Like the person who posted, the best I've been able
>to find is 2% fat soymilk from Edensoy and 1% from vitasoy
>(both about 13-20%  calories from fat, though, depending on
>flavor etc, so it's roughly like drinking 2% cow milk).  Does
>ANY one have a magic source of nonfat soymilk??
>
>--Andrea


Although I can't really help in finding lower fat soymilk, I thought
it might be helpful to mention what I do. First of all, I don't use
soymilk or rice milk for drinking, but when I do use if (on cereal or
for cooking), I dilute it with water. This will help bring the amount
of fat down somewhat.

-- 
Sammy=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
The enemy of women...is not men, just as the enemy of blacks is not whites.
The enemy is "the tyranny of the dull mind." Carol S. Pearson, _The Hero Within_ 
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Nutritional information
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:08:51 GMT

In article <8660018@hplred.HP.COM> dsouza@hplred.HP.COM (Roy D'Souza) writes:
>	>cansoori@athena.mit.edu (Christina Ansoorian) / 12:38 am  Aug 12, /
>	>him: more fruits and veggies, esp. avocados
>	>me: don't you know that avocados are absolutely loaded with fat?
>							     ^^^^
>Avocados, like other vegan sources of nutrition contain fatty acids - not fat.
>                     ^^^^^                                                ^^^
>An avocado is a fruit - it does not have fat (or muscles or bones..etc..)

When the word "fat" is used when talking about food, it does not mean
"body fat", as in tallow or suet.  It means glycerol triesters of fatty
acids, which are the primary component of both animal fat and vegetable
oils.  An avocado is loaded with oil (or fat--call it what you like.)
People who should avoid excessive fat intake would do well to avoid
avocados or limit them to an occasional treat.

>Furthermore, since avocados are good sources of other nutrients, it may not
>be good advice to tell people to avoid avocados.

Frankly, I can't imagine eating enough of them on a regular basis
such that they'd have any primary contribution to an otherwise
ordinary diet.  They are yummy, though.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: jfrawley@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Judy Frawley)
Subject: Re: Yves Burger Burgers
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 10:32:42 EDT

In article <14282@mindlink.bc.ca> Christine_Code@mindlink.bc.ca (Christine Code) writes:
>> Christian P. Roberts writes:
stuff deleted	

more stuff deleted
>We are both very fond of Yves Veggie Wieners and Yves Deli Slices.   Mmmm!
>Family members who tried those products thought they were the regular old
>meat-based ones.
>
>Happy eating!
>
>Christine_Code@MindLink.bc.ca  *  Willows.

Question about the Wieners and Deli Slices.  I am on a very low-fat
diet (recently).  I wonder if you might have info on these.  What
I am looking for is serving size, calories, grams of fat per serving	
and if there is any breakdown of saturated fat, monounsaturated, and
polyunsaturated.

If not, I'll try to track it down at my natural foods store.  

Thanks,
Judy Frawley
From: radams@cerritos.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: the term "vegetarian"
Date: 22 Aug 92 05:05:51 GMT
Organization: Cerritos College, Norwalk CA

In article <oeZNehC00VpNI990Ff@andrew.cmu.edu>, 
"David F. McWade" <dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
> I recently e-mailed the person who puts together the vegetarian FAQ
> about including such pseudo-terms as "semi-vegetarian",
> "pesco-vegetarian", etc.  I found those terms offensive basically
> because use of such terms perpetuates the situation you describe above. 
> Unfortunately, the FAQ-maker (I forget his name) refused to remove the
> terms on my suggestion (my argument wasn't as coherently stated as yours
> is, however).  
> 
> I would, therefore, like to publicly suggest that those terms be removed
> from the vegetarian FAQ, please.  Perhaps we can have some debate on
> this.  (Is the person who makes the FAQ a vegetarian?)
> 
> David McWade
> dm3o@andrew.cmu.edu
-- 

If someone eats a vegetarian diet every day except for eating fish once or
twice a month, I think the term "semi-vegetarian" is appropriate. But the use
of these terms is a personal decision and not to be decided by this news
group no matter how influential it might be. When I go to a restaurant (I
live in southern California) I find that waitresses and waiters know that
"vegetarian" means no fish or meat or poultry or bugs etc. :-) and I don't
need to explain (however they do assume you eat dairy) but I  always make
sure there are no meat products anyway to be on the safe side if its a
new restaurant or a something I have not tried before. I would take the
term "semi-vegetarian" to mean that you (ie. semi-vegetarian) eat a vegetarian
diet most of the time but occasionally stray. A clarification would be that
you are not a vegetarian when you stray but you are when you don't stray.
If you are like this and call yourself a semi-vegetarian, then you avoid
instructing people by your example that eating fish and poultry is vegetarian
because you are using the qualifier "semi" which is usually followed by an
explanation such as "I occasionally eat fish". Allowing the term "semi"
keeps the term "vegetarian" untainted by false identification with those
who do occasionally stray. Another variation would be "I am a vegetarian
most of the time".


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	radams@cerritos.edu               To those in whom love dwells,
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        Norwalk, California 90650
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: laplace!robin (Lara Robin Liptak)
Subject: Re: Vegan dilemma concerning pancreatic enzymes.
Reply-To: laplace!robin@tscs.tscs.com
Organization: Anti-Tramua Inc.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:13:07 GMT

It's funny this subject should come up.  I have been skimming through a  
co-worker's book this week that discusses the "cleansing" the original  
poster mentioned.  He even gives quite explicit instructions on giving  
yourself enemas for three weeks or something - for this hardened fecal  
stuff.  He says something about how eating meat for years causes the -uh-  
villae? thingys (something) to go away (?I don't remember). A lot of the  
things he said sounded pretty off the wall to me.

_the Missing Link_ by Jay M. Hoffman  (old book)

So you guys have actually heard of this/done this?  

Then what about not eating in between meals.  He says 5 HOURS from one  
meal to the next - no snacking!  Supposedly they did some tests, etc, etc,   
and food consumed 1 or 2 hours after the first meal doubles digestion time  
for the original food... you should eliminate as often a day as you eat.

??? thoughts, comments...

Robin Liptak                  NeXTMail Welcome
                              Beware of the bouffant-encrusted
laplace!robin@tscs.tscs.com   thought police.
From: jamesh@castle.ed.ac.uk (James Hammerton)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: the term "vegetarian"
Date: 23 Aug 92 15:32:06 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

As a life long vegetarian I have often been annoyed when people assumed
I ate fish or chicken, but these days I don't get annoyed, I just tell
them straight that if I did eat them I wouldn't be vegetarian(at least
by the dictionaries definition as someone who eats neither flesh,fish
nor fowl).

James

-- 
  James Hammerton,2nd year Computer Science at University of Edinburgh
  Email: jamesh@uk.ac.ed.castle   Or: jh@uk.ac.ed.dcs
From: un107375@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: I love red meat!  I love sugar!
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:40:58 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <92223.57211.J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>, J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
> And I'm trying to kick the habit.  I read two books by a Doctor named
> John MacDougall.  They were quite interesting in that they recommended
> a high starch diet, and lay off the fats, all meats, and dairy products.
> Fine, I'm trying, but I feel like a heroin addict craving my next fix.
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Chris

Some of my friends who have turned veg tell me that quitting cold turkey is
hard.  They have been quite successful in reducing the intake quantity and
frequency.  Above all they told me that they made up their minds and that was
the crux of kicking the habit.  So...

Balu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Rich & Michael
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 20:39:49 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Aug17.123226.4392@bb1t.monsanto.com> rghoff@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
>In article <altar.714066221@sfu.ca>, altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar) writes:
>> Charles Parr writes:
>> 
>>>Look, friend. I am a meat eater, a fisherman, a hunter of small
>>>game and a pet owner. In the eyes of some fanatics, that makes me
>>>Satan himself.
>> 
>[stuff deleted]
>
>> 
>> I think Aldous Huxley was correct when he said of fanaticism:
>>  
>>      "Defined in psychological terms, a fanatic is a man who
>>      consciously over-compensates a secret doubt"
>>           (from Vulgarity in Literature, chp. 4)
>>      
>> Well, the over-zealous declaration of Faith and the belligerent
>> vegetarian bashing by our inveterate hunter above is indeed
>> displaying this very over-compensation.  Note the admittedly
>> unrestrained compulsion to boast of his inconsistency of being a
>> pet owner and hunter, and, to taunt the peaceful vegetarians on
>> this conference with his gloating about his own meat-eating.
>>  
>
>Hey Charles, I think you're right. He thinks you're Satan. :-)
>
>Of all the groups I routinely thumb through from time to time, this has
>got to be worst when it comes to putting people down and being totally
>intolarant of any point of view other than their own. 
>
>I personally think the vast majority of vegans that contribute to this
>group are probably a decent group of people. But there's several 
>individuals in this group that have been very successfull in spending their
>days loading up the bandwidth with their own personal opinions and attacks
>and turning this entire subject into a total joke for the rest of us.

>Rick Hoffman.

You know I think you are right. I got one piece of hate mail from
an ALF member, and 4 people congratulating me on what an
*appropriate* flaming this was. 

At least four people on this group seem to think Traub
is a real jerk.

It is however, not my problem. I have a veg. friend who will
now send me recipes that come up here, so I will no longer
need to read the group.

So long Michael, Ted, and whoever the anonymous ALF member
was...I won't miss you guys a bit.

Regards, And to those who are responsible, informative and
helpful, thank you for your time

Charles
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: traub@btcs.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Subject: Recipe (VEGAN) Hummus
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:44:14 GMT

Hummus

1/2 lb		dried chick peas / garbanzo beans
4 tablespoons 	light tahini
4 cloves 	garlic
8 tablespoons	Olive Oil
to taste	salt
to taste	lemon juice
as needed	water

Soak the chick peas overnight in boiling water. Pressure cook the chick
peas for 15 to 20 minutes. Remove pea hulls which have separated.

Place chick peas, garlic, olive oil and tahini in a blender with sufficient
water to blend easily. Once blended add salt and lemon juice to taste.



-- 
Michael Traub
From: tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Rich & Michael
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:11:48 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <1992Aug12.162713.14101@dircon.co.uk>, 
uad1214@dircon.co.uk (Peter Cox) writes:

> TED FEUERBACH (tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com) writes:

>>Why so violent, Peter?  Why don't you just start beating
>>up anyone that you see eating meat?

> I didn't make myself very clear, I'm afraid.  

[....]

After reading the rest of this post I realize that I jumped to the wrong
conclusion.  Sorry Peter.

  TED FEUERBACH   Scientific Systems Consultant  Trilogy Consulting, Inc. 
  Lake St. Louis, MO        (314) 537-6603       tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com
  Disclaimer:  The opinions expressed herein are MY OWN and obviously not
  the opinions of Trilogy, Monsanto or either of my two ex-wives.
From: n-hyland@uiuc.edu (Nancy Hyland)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: QUERY: Cubanella and Hot Pepper - Need HELP
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:35:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: hylandn1.n-hyland-140892122238
Followup-To: rec.food.veg
Organization: School of Life Sciences, U. of Illinois


> >
> Hot peppers will not hurt your hands, unless you have cuts on 
> your hands. Think of vinegar, which will 'burn' your tongue,
> but feels like water on your hands. Unless the peppers are 
> very mild, though, be sure not to put your hands on your mouth,
> nose, or eyes after touching peppers!! Wash your hands with soap 
> after cutting them. Also, you will probably want to remove and
> discard the seeds and the membranes, as they are the hottest parts.

A friend of mine (who graduated from the Culinary Institute of America so I
tend to take his suggestions as authoritative :-) has told me always to
wear gloves when handling hot peppers. I think that it may have to do with
how long you will handle the peppers. If you handle them for a short time
and wash your hands immediately, there is less likely to be a problem. 
Vinegar doesn't usually hurt your hands but if you had to soak your hands
in vinegar or other salty liquids, you'd regret it. Usually I can handle
feta cheese without a problem, but one day I had to make 40 greek salads
and my hands swelled up terribly from having to submerge them many times to
get the next feta block. After that, I have always tried to play it safe.
:-)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: eileen@Data-IO.COM (Eileen Manton)
Subject: Vegan CookBooks
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:50:20 GMT

Here are two Vegan CookBooks that I've found *VERY* helpful.
The recipes are quite good, and the nutritional information
appears to be accurate (from personal experience, that is ...):

	The American Vegetarian CookBook from the Fit for Life
	Kitchen, by Marilyn Diamond (copyright 1991)

	The High Road to Health, by Lindsay Wagner (that's
	right folks, the Bionic Woman has written a vegan
	cookbook, copyright 1991).

Both are in hardback only, and are available in most well
stocked bookstores.
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Request for Recipe
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:10:53 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

11mbruce@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Mere) wrote:
> Hello. Do any of you have a recipe for Vegetable Lasagna? 
> I would like to try that out. Heard of it but do not know how!

You don't really need a recipe - just throw in alternate layers of lasagna
sheet and other stuff, pour some sort of sauce over it, and bake the
result.  The "other stuff" can be cooked beans, dried tofu sheet, olives,
chopped nuts, Chinese preserved beans, sauerkraut, or almost any vegetable
that comes in small bits.  I like to use a sauce made from silken tofu and
tomato puree mixed in a blender, and I put lots of herbs in.  Sprinkle
something visually interesting on top, like paprika or ground pistachio.
The whole point of lasagna is that it's a way of using leftovers or whatever
you've got handy, so a precise recipe is not appropriate.

-- 
--  Jack Campin    room G092, Computing Science Department, Glasgow University,
17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work)
INTERNET: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk or via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk    FAX: 041 330 4913
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: traub@btcs.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Subject: Re: Vegan dilemma concerning pancreatic enzymes.
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:07:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.175736.4859@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>Your gut is already populated with its own ecosystem.
>There's not much you can do about that.

References?

>Definitely transient.  Eating yogurt or taking acidophilus changes
>the bowel flora somewhat--only slightly--but for only as long as
>you keep ingesting it.

References?

>>This cleansing
>>program is definitely enhancing my health so far (and I have barely
>>scratched the surface yet),
>
>If it's enhancing your health, it's because it's an expensive placebo.

What proof do you have for this statement?

>You have to make the decision about taking such preparations, but
>if your choice to become vegan is due to ethical considerations,
>given the faulty thinking on which such a regimen is conceived, 
>nothing much would persuade me that it's necessary for health.

Can you explain where the faulty thinking exists?

>Sometimes disabusing people of notions which don't make sense from
>a physiological point of view is considered "flaming".  So be it.

"Flaming" is when someone makes a bunch of accusations or statements
with little facts to back them up other than their say so. I have
noticed you make such accusations on a number of previous occasions.
Then as now you have not provided any evidence to back you up. It
seems obvious to me you know very little about colon cleansing, and
you obviously haven't tried it yourself. Maybe you should go away
and try it before knocking it. I shall end by making a statement
as rude as one of your own:

You seem to be yet another meat-eating interloper like Rich Young
who has decided to "save the world" by cleansing vegetarians/vegans
of their "uninformed" ideas.


-- 
Michael Traub