From: michal@vsnmc1.cern.ch (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, Geneva
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 11:16:25 GMT

Roger Lustig writes:
>In article <1992Oct3.160441.27290@dxcern.cern.ch> michal@vsnmc1.cern.ch (Michal Szleper) writes:
> (----------------- a lot of stuff deleted for brevity -------------------)
>YOU attempted to bring the Palestinian issue into the discussion, and will
>not tolerate any deviation from your view of it.  It is irrelevant to a
>discussion of Polish anti-Semitism in the first place,

Oh no, it doesn't go this way.  The original subject referred to Polish
anti-Semitism, but the last topic under discussion was assimilation in
Poland versus assimilation in Israel.  So the Palestinians' case is
not at all out of the topic.  And I don't really accept the excuse that
Gaza is not a part of Israel, but just an occupied territory.  By whom
is it, thou, occupied?  And secondly, I wanted to point out that we
should always look at a broader picture if we want to keep a trace of
objectivity.  Nationalism is not only Poland's sin.

>                                                       and whatever is 
>happening in Gaza is irrelevant to the fact that Israel made a long, 
>good-faith attempt to integrate all the diverse populations within its
>borders as much as possible.  The tragic consequences of war have led to
>a nasty situation in the occupied territories, and some of Israel's policies
>have exacerbated the problems.  But all this has nothing to do with the
>fact that, when I pointed out that many Arabs are fully integrated into
>Israeli society, you accused me of thoughtcrime akin to denying the
>Holocaust.  I still await your apology for that and for deleting relevant
>text.

If you claim the question of human lifes in Gaza is an irrevelant matter,
then it's you who really owe an apology to those poor people.  I didn't
say the holocaust was irrevelant to me, so I don't think I owe anybody
any apology.  And especially to somebody who in public called me idiot
and suggested I should learn to read.

>> why don't you express your opinion about what Jews
>>do to the others?  I think that would be only fair.
>
>Because it's irrelevant to the discussion.  
>
>Also, because your request is blatantly racist.  "The Jews" are not
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>responsible for Israel's conduct any more than the Polish population of
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>Chicago was responsible for Gomulka.

What???????  Then perhaps the Poles are not responsible for Poland's
anti-Semitism?  Sorry, this is arrogance, Roger.

> (...)
>And why are you so desperate to hear *my* opinion of every detail of the
>Palestinian situation in a discussion on Poland?

Here we go again.  If you still don't know, read this article again.

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