From: naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Christian distortions (was Crucified for Prophecy's sake?)
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:14:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: uctvax.1992Oct2.141403.202958
Organization: University of Cape Town

>>He may have been crucified rather than stoned to fulfill prophecy. 
> FWIW, I doubt the Jews and Romans were terribly concerned with making
> Jesus's death fit the prophecies :^) 
>>Check out:
>>	Psalm 34:20
>>	Psalm 22:13-18
>  Robert> Not having my Bible handy, I assume that these verses must then
> Robert> say something like, "The Messiah will be nailed to a cross by
> Robert> Romans", or perhaps
> Robert> "The Son of David will be crucified by the enemy of the Jews,"
> 
> Robert> It must be something like that, right?
> 
> Not even in the ball park :^). Here are the quotes from the KJV I have
> on-line:
> 
> 034:020 He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken.
> 
> 022:013 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a
>         roaring lion.
> 022:014 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint:
>         my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
> 022:015 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue
>         cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of
>         death.
> 022:016 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have
>         inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
> 022:017 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
> 022:018 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my
>         vesture.


If you check a Hebrew Old Testament you will see that these quotes are taken
out of context and even mistranslated to make it look that they predict a 
crucifiction. e.g  the bit that says "they pierced my hands and feet" is a
blatant mistranslation the original Hebrew say "like a Lion they are at my
feet". This sort of thing is typical of Christian dishonesty. Most of the 
quotes are not even about a Messiah.

All this arguing is pointless, since Jesus is a mythical character. The name
"Jesus the Nazarene" is based on a person who live c. 100 BC and Matthew and
Thaddaeus are based on his disciples. This guy was confused with a guy named
Ben-Stada who lived during the Roman period. The crucifixion myth is rather
late, being partly based the three historical false Messiahs crucified by 
the Romans. The Jesus myth also has many borrowings from the pagan myths of
Osiris, Attis, Dionysus etc. 

Go to a library and read up on the origins of Christianity!!!! Prometheus Books
has a whole line of books devoted to this subject, get a catalog from them,
buy some books and start reading!!.

PS Stop posting Christian crap to sci.skeptic, we are having a hard enough
time with UFO, crop circles etc

  
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