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From: MTURELLA@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: World Wide Dream Builders
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:58:24 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs


Hi,
Does anyone have any info on "World Wide Dream Builders"?

It supposedly handles 5000 products (from 300 companies) and
was founded by Bill Brit.

Any info (including their sales pitch and pricing) would be
appreciated.

Thanx in advance,
Mark
From: rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Re: Questions about Amway
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:37:23 GMT
Reply-To: rjn@FC.HP.COM
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Bob Niland (rjn@FC.HP.COM) wrote:

> Since there are some Amway Distributors and advocates in this group, I was
> wondering if any of you would answer some questions.

Thanks for the information so far, however...

Since I have now received email messages both inviting me to Amway
presentations and warning me to steer clear of Amway, let me clarify
something...

I am just educating myself about Amway, since it is the most widely known
MLM, and is representative of public preconceptions about MLM.  I am not
planning on "doing" Amway, and not likely to even consider it.

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
Bob Niland      Internet: rjn@FC.HP.COM               3404 East Harmony Road
                CompuServe:  71044,2124               Ft Collins CO 80525-9599

This article represents only the opinion[s] of its author, and is not an
official or unofficial position of, or statement by, the Hewlett-Packard
Company.  The text is provided for informational purposes only.  It is
supplied without warranty of any kind.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:39:41 EST
From: <ZHAO@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: Need business discussion group email address.


Hi Friends.

This is my first time to access this group. Is this a unique discussion
group about business ? If not, could anyone give me a hint about the
name of the group does it ?  Or,any other BBS numbers.

Many thanks.


Ching-Hua
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: bill@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: World Wide Dream Builders
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:19:40 GMT

In article <168A17E30.MTURELLA@cmsa.gmr.com>, MTURELLA@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
> Hi,
> Does anyone have any info on "World Wide Dream Builders"?
> 
> It supposedly handles 5000 products (from 300 companies) and
> was founded by Bill Brit.
> 
> Any info (including their sales pitch and pricing) would be
> appreciated.

This sounds like an Amway organization. Bill Brit is a (multiple)
diamond originally from the Yager line, who formed his own
group that does a humungous business. 

Certainly, to build an MLM with 5000 products and 300 companies
takes about, oh, i'd say 30 years or so...   (actually, I think
more like 10 yr - Amway didn't always have other businesses marketing
through their distributor network.)

> Thanx in advance,
> Mark
> 
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| If we had an index file, we could   | In fact, except for protecting |
| look it up in the index file under  | individual rights, no valid    |
| "Index File".                       | reason for government exists." |
|           -- Tegan in "Castrovalva" |      ... Dr. Frank Wallace     |
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| Bill Garland = bill@kean.ucs.mun.ca |Commercial : Send me your money.|
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From: cpc.systems@mhs.unc.edu (Carolyn Churchill)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: re: World Wide Dream Builders
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:41:01 GMT
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology

In article <168A17E30.MTURELLA@cmsa.gmr.com> news@rphroy.ph.gmr.com writes:
>
>Hi,
>Does anyone have any info on "World Wide Dream Builders"?
>
>It supposedly handles 5000 products (from 300 companies) and
>was founded by Bill Brit.
>
>Any info (including their sales pitch and pricing) would be
>appreciated.
>
>Thanx in advance,
>Mark
>

World Wide Dream Builders is a group of Amway Distributors that
are a downline of Bill Britt.  They handle the same products in 
the same catalogs that all Amway Distributors can handle.
From: lou@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Lou Kvitek)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:40:47 GMT
Subject: Re: World Wide Dream Builders
Organization: HP Response Center Lab
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level

In alt.business.multi-level, rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com (Ron Beck) writes:

> In article <168A17E30.MTURELLA@cmsa.gmr.com>, MTURELLA@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
> |> 
> |> Hi,
> |> Does anyone have any info on "World Wide Dream Builders"?
> |> 
> |> It supposedly handles 5000 products (from 300 companies) and
> |> was founded by Bill Brit.
> |> 

> This sounds like another way of saying Amway without using the "A"
> word.  Bill Brit is a *VERY* successful Amway distributor (diamond or
> above I believe).  However, if you ask "is this Amway?", the answer
> should be "yes".

Ron, the difference is actually quite critical.  WWDB is one of many
(very many) different organizations of Amway distributors.  WWDB 
teaches people how to build an Amway business in a very definite
manner.  WWDB teaches differently than others.  So, if you are 
interested in becoming an Amway distributor, it is important to 
consider the organization of distributors that you wish to learn
from.

Does WWDB = Amway ?   No.
Is WWDB an organization of Amway distributors?  Yes.

Lou

P.S. You don't have to belong to any distributor organization to 
be an Amway distributor, but it can help you a great deal -
improving your chances of success.
From: lou@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Lou Kvitek)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:49:53 GMT
Subject: Re: New MLM, any comments?
Organization: HP Response Center Lab
From: dug@dug.b17d.ingr.com (Doug Taylor)
Subject: American Benefits Plus
Reply-To: dug@dug.b17d.ingr.com
Organization: Imaging systems, Intergraph Corp, Huntsville, AL
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:54:11 GMT

I need info about American Benefits Plus (for a friend).  Anybody got a faq? 
Responding via email would be preferred.

Followups go to: alt.business.multi-level
______________________________________________________________
  Doug Taylor                 (205) 730-6875 (w)
  MailStop IW17D1             dug@dug.b17d.ingr.com
  Intergraph Corp.
  Huntsville, AL 35894-0001   < My thots, not theirs. >
From: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Subject: Re: World Wide Dream Builders
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:57:08 GMT

In article <44890007@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM>, lou@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Lou Kvitek) writes:
|> In alt.business.multi-level, rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com (Ron Beck) writes:
|> 
|> > In article <168A17E30.MTURELLA@cmsa.gmr.com>, MTURELLA@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
|> > |> 
|> > |> Hi,
|> > |> Does anyone have any info on "World Wide Dream Builders"?
|> > |> 
|> > |> It supposedly handles 5000 products (from 300 companies) and
|> > |> was founded by Bill Brit.
|> > |> 
|> 
|> > This sounds like another way of saying Amway without using the "A"
|> > word.  Bill Brit is a *VERY* successful Amway distributor (diamond or
|> > above I believe).  However, if you ask "is this Amway?", the answer
|> > should be "yes".
|> 
|> Ron, the difference is actually quite critical.  WWDB is one of many
|> (very many) different organizations of Amway distributors.  WWDB 
|> teaches people how to build an Amway business in a very definite
|> manner.  WWDB teaches differently than others.  So, if you are 
|> interested in becoming an Amway distributor, it is important to 
|> consider the organization of distributors that you wish to learn
|> from.
|> 
|> Does WWDB = Amway ?   No.
|> Is WWDB an organization of Amway distributors?  Yes.
|> 
|> Lou
|> 
|> P.S. You don't have to belong to any distributor organization to 
|> be an Amway distributor, but it can help you a great deal -
|> improving your chances of success.

I'm rather confused at this statement.  A person *HAS* to be sponsored to be
an Amway distributor.  So by default a distributor is a part of some
organization.  I also know that our upline (Stewart & associates, Rummel &
associates) have some tools that other groups don't use (for example we 
don't use "green sheets" for ordering).  Is this the type of thing that WWDB
does for it's distributors?  When you say that WWDB teaches people to build
an Amway business what special things do they do?  Is WWDB part of the Yager
downline?

I only ask because I'm a bit curious.  I've noticed some different teaching
styles in the tapes we've been given but hadn't realized that not everybody
uses the Yager system (books, tapes, functions, stp, use the products).  You
can Email me if you think this discussion should be taken off-line.

However, I'm still curious...if someone says "Is this Amway?"... what do you
say?
Ron

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From: lou@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Lou Kvitek)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:53:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Questions about Amway
Organization: HP Response Center Lab
From: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Subject: Re: World Wide Dream Builders
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: is an esoteric concept.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:58:58 GMT

In article <168A17E30.MTURELLA@cmsa.gmr.com>, MTURELLA@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
|> 
|> Hi,
|> Does anyone have any info on "World Wide Dream Builders"?
|> 
|> It supposedly handles 5000 products (from 300 companies) and
|> was founded by Bill Brit.
|> 
|> Any info (including their sales pitch and pricing) would be
|> appreciated.
|> 
|> Thanx in advance,
|> Mark
|> 

This sounds like another way of saying Amway without using the "A"
word.  Bill Brit is a *VERY* successful Amway distributor (diamond or
above I believe).  However, if you ask "is this Amway?", the answer
should be "yes".
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Ronald J. Beck           | IP rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com |Do now what others
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Texas Instruments        |                             |later what others
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From: howard@Redwood.XAIT.Xerox.COM (Howard Bernstein)
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
Subject: New MLM, any comments?
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:08:43 GMT
Reply-To: howard@Redwood.XAIT.Xerox.COM (Howard Bernstein)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Xerox Advanced Information Technology, Cambridge, MA


Informational message about new MLM.

Product is telephone calling cards.  Good for usage currently in the 48 US,
Hawaii, Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, Canada, proposals out to
major european countries.

Card has no setup charge (typically 75 - 80 cents for MCI,ATT,Sprint).  Flat
per minute fee starting at .249/minute.  Drops with accumulated usage (no time
limit) as low as .149/minute.  The rates for calls to/from Canada are expected
to be slightly higher. Per minute rates lower with calls made within some
states.

Card is pre-paid in $20/50/100/250/500 amounts.  Customer may renew with
touch-tone phone and credit card, or by automatic renewal with credit card.  If
business customer, by wire-transfer.

Call logs are optional, $36/year or $7.50 for single month.  Same for
individual, and business up to 1000 pin numbers.  More pin numbers slightly
higher.  Also available on floppy disk for small additional charge.

Card supports restricted calling (up to 100 numbers), automatic calling (enter
pin number and automatically dials 1 number), speed dialing.  Small additional
charge on installation, no continuing charges.

Fraud proof/resistent.  Two people cannot use the same pin number at the same
time, unlike major carriers.  If not automatically renewing, face amount runs
out.  Will not automatically renew more than $100 per day.

Cards may be customized with camera ready artwork.

Can be marketed for fundraising.  Fundraiser receives between 2 and 6% of
usage, depending on volume in specific month.

I will not mention the company, so as not to jeopardize my situation if I have
misrepresented them in any way (although I have not).  The company has been
in business for over a year, and the service has been available since March of
this year.  There are currently less than 7000 representatives.

If you need further information or have additional questions, please contact
by phone at 617-229-8717, or by e-mail. 


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From: fritz@fc.sde.hp.com (Gary Fritz)
Subject: Re: Questions about Amway
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:04:31 GMT

Lou Kvitek (lou@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM) wrote:
: Direct is 7500PV (not BV) that equals about 15,000BV.   Bonus percentage
: is determined by PV, but the percentage is paid on BV.   So, at 7500PV
: you qualify for 25% bonus - you are paid 25% of $15,000.

Which sounds like a Direct would get at least $15k/4 = $3750/mo income.
But you don't keep all of that -- you have to pay some to your downline.
According to what Jon Noring told me, a typical Direct actually *nets* 
something like $1500-2500/mo.

Lou, you said Amway pays out about 65% in bonuses.  Is that really
65% of *gross wholesale*, or of retail price?  Is it different for
products with different profit margins, e.g. Amway-branded vs. PSC?
Does BV correspond to wholesale or retail?

Gary
Newsgroups: alt.business.multi-level
From: jnorman@willamette.edu (Justin C. Norman)
Subject: Looking for books/info on MLM
Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:49:19 GMT


Having limited exposure to the MLM community (although a bit here
and there with Amway and NuSkin) I am interested in finding more
out about the structure, etc.  
I am taking an investments class and would like to use MLM
as my final paper.  If any one could recommend some good 
sources of information (preferablly books)  I would like
to know about them.

please email asap.

any other information is always greatly appreciated,
even an email interview or two would be nice.

thank you for your time.
justin

jn

jnorman@willamette.edu
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: ae553@yfn.ysu.edu (David Jameson)
Subject: Re: Does anyone know how to initiate an OBE?
Reply-To: ae553@yfn.ysu.edu (David Jameson)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 08:55:04 GMT


In a previous article, chawkins@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca (Cam Hawkins) says:

>OBEs......hmmm, yes, an interesting phenomena indeed...I too am interested, and
>would really appreciate any information or reading material anyone could
>provide......
>

Have a look in the newsgroup alt.out-of-budy which was created for
discussions on this topic.

-- 
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 David Jameson, Email : ae553@yfn.ysu.edu 
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Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Celia Green and the Institute for Psycho
From: Robert_Sutton@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Sutton)
Date: 19 Nov 92 11:07:59 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

mporter@nyx.es.du.edu(Mitchell Porter) Tue 17 Nov 92 04:40:08 GMT types-
>Is anyone on the Internet familar with the work of Celia Green and/or 
>The Institute for Psychophysical Research of which she is the Director?
Well I don't know what is meant by familar but i've read a few books 
from the outfit which came out a good few years ago now
The Institute if I'm not mistaken is based in Oxford & hasbeen around 
since the 1960s.

>And 2 titles by Charles McCreery which I cannot recall.
I think 1 of them was called Psychical Phenomenea in The Physical World
& Apparitions was co-written by him.Most if not all published by Hamish 
Hamilton.

Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: bill@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: Does anyone know how to initiate an OBE?
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:23:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.131115.13572@news.ysu.edu>, 
	ae553@yfn.ysu.edu (David Jameson) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, kdawson@AFIT.AF.MIL (KEVIN D. DAWSON) says:
>>
>>>Have a look in the newsgroup alt.out-of-budy which was created for
>>                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>                                         ^^^^
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>> David Jameson, Email : ae553@yfn.ysu.edu 
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>
>>Wait a minute Thata newsgroup's fans of the "Dick Van Dyke" show.!!!
>>
>>                             :)
> *grin*
> 
>>Kevin Dawson
>>kdawson@afit.af.mil
> 
> Please excuse my typo...how does "alt.out-of-body" sound?

Well, my musical mind is a bit numb this morning, so her name is
just on the tip of my typing fingers... is it Dusty Springfield, no;
is it .... well, Robert down the hall says it _was_ she... but do you
remember the song :

	Wishing and Hoping    ?

That's what it sounds like.

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| If we had an index file, we could   | In fact, except for protecting |
| look it up in the index file under  | individual rights, no valid    |
| "Index File".                       | reason for government exists." |
|           -- Tegan in "Castrovalva" |      ... Dr. Frank Wallace     |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Bill Garland = bill@kean.ucs.mun.ca |Commercial : Send me your money.|
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From: kellym@wowee.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Kelly Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: re: psychics and other related phenomena
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:07:33 MST
Distribution: world
Organization: Not an Organization
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <ballard.45@adlibv.adelphi.edu> ballard@adlibv.adelphi.edu (Terry Ballard) writes:
>    My observation is that when somebody advertises himself as a psychic and
> charges us a quarter to see his act, it is certainly just that.  The real
> psychic things that I have seen were not controlled by anybody - they just
> happen.  Does this mean that they are not worth knowing about?  Of course
> not.

Has anyone considered the possibility that a true psychic (or any other
holder of unexplained abilities) would not only refrain from this "money-
making sideshow," but would also completely avoid any kind of publicity?
It wouldn't be hard to imagine a number of reasons as to why this might
be the case.

A wise psychic might realize that he has an enormous potential for
destruction, even in the figurative sense. I believe that most true
psychics  would never avail themselves to scientific tests, or at
least purposely fail them if it were forced upon them. Any ideas?

--
%"Vhuuut, you donna' like'a my zooop?" -Fred Flinstone, impersonating a chef
% kellY Martin  UUCP:kellym@wowee.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca  (1:342/53.5@fidonet)

Xref: sparky alt.paranormal:2487 alt.out-of-body:459 alt.pagan:12875
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:41:04 EST
From: Stephen Kuhn <SWK105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.out-of-body,alt.pagan
Subject:    Psychics and other related phenomena

Does anybody out there really, truly, and above all, HONESTLY Believe in all of
 the psychic,etc., BULLSHIT?
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.pagan,alt.out-of-body
From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Subject: Re: Psychics and other related phenomena
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:13:44 GMT

Hi... In an effort to encourage more postings to this newsgroup, I
will answer the following rhetorical questions:  :)

In article <92325.162247CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu> CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>Ask yourself the following
>
>*Do you believe in astal projection
Yeah.  Not only do I believe in it, I do it! :)

>*Do you Believe in God
Well, Goddess, but yeah... :)

>*Do you believe in the various forms of obe..
Astral projection is one of several "forms of OBE."  Any experience
where you believe at the time that you are in one place and your
body is in a different place, _is_ an out-of-body experience...

>*Do you believe in magick
Yes, and I practice it.  But I did not believe in/practice
magick when I began researching/having OBEs.

>*Do you believe in chakras...and energy matrix lines
I think they are useful in the study of some kinds of magick.
I have used them successfully in my studies...

>*Do you believe in levitation, yoga, etc..
I think yoga is the name of a Spiritual Path, isn't it?  I've never
studied either, but I may at some time in the future...

>*Do you believe in electromagnetic radiation....
:)

>Obviously your not going to know the answers and become a master at
>everything...who are you to say that something doesn't exist because you don't
>know about it, or can't prove it..
IMHO, if you overanalyze your experiences while they're happening, you
will end up suppressing the experience.  Let it happen first; while it's
happening, let yourself believe in it 100%, and when you've learned
all you needed to from it, then you can explain it away if you still
want to...

>I would not mind such comments from strictly mundane people..but I find it
>odd that one group who does obe's doesn't believe in magick or chakras...
>and people that do magick and chakras don't believe in obe...that is petty.
>You can't learn about something by worthless discussion of,..it does exist..
>it doesn't exist...you learn from experience...
I agree, but you would be amazed at how easily people can use one
"mystical experience" to become closed-minded about all others.  The
argument goes like this:
"The thing that I'm involved with is real, and all of those other 
things I hear about are nothing like the thing I do; therefore,
those things are all fake..."

(It is a trap I was in for a couple of years.)  :)

>just my thoughts...
Not "just" your thoughts, but *YOUR*THOUGHTS!*  :):):)


Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Subject: Re: Psychics and other related phenomena
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:41:11 GMT

OOPS!!!

My post here was only intended for alt.out-of-body.  Sorry, I forgot
to check the cross-posts line...  

:)

Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: tm940495@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Timothy Moore)
Subject: Re: Psychics...
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:16:10 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <By01IM.C24@cs.dal.ca>, hardy@ug.cs.dal.ca (S.Hardy) writes:
|> 
|>  I myself believe in it. God knows, I shouldn't...I've gone to and wasted
|> enough money on crackpots pretending to be psychics that I should have
|> scrapped the whole belief long ago. But I believe in it. I've just had
|> some bad experiences. Lucky me. :)
|> 
|>  Are there any...real psychics on this internet? I've always been curious
|> about this. If so, leave me email and disprove all of my doubts on 
|> the subject, PLEASE. :)
|> 
|>  -Simone Hardy,
|>   Halifax, Nova Scotia,
|>   Canada, eh? :)


Doesn't always seem the more $$$$ the better they'll be able to convince?....


Tim Moore----->send money and I can predict with 99% accuracy I will be happy. ;-)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal