HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: chang@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov (Chau-Lyan Chang)
Subject: Re: HSNU needs you!
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:09:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.065446.27981@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear)) writes:
|> 	I believe that we all know why Jian4-Zhon1 has more students
|> 	who can actually play instruments professionally, play sports
|> 	professionally, get the highest place in lots inter-school
|> 	contests.... Because lots excellent junior high students who
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 	have potential in these area will be accepted by Jian4-Zhon1
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 	in the recommandation of the Taipei Education Bureau. That's
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

        To the best of my knowledge, this is not true (at least around
        1973-1976). Jian-Zhon got students only from entrance exam (of
        course, there were some Chiau2-Shen1).

|> 	because those students were good in those areas, not because
|> 	that Jian4-Zhon1's education is more successful. I can't give
|> 	you any example stating that HSNU's education is more successful,
|> 	I said that simply because I honestly feel that no other high
|> 	school can give me so much like HSNU gave me and I DO think
|> 	that averagely speaking, HSNU's education is better than Jian4-
|> 	Zhon1.

        One can make a fair comparison only when he studied in both
        schools and really feels the difference. If you only went to
        one school and try to say your school gives the best education,
        it's not surprising that people graduated from the other school
        will argue with you. Well, you sure can express your own feeling.
        But argueing on which one is better does not make any sense.
|> 
|> 	Paul (H472)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear))
Subject: Re: to proud citizens
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:56:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.23991.23991@Eng.Sun.COM> peter@Eng.Sun.COM (Peter Liu) writes:
>
>I saw a few people are fooled by KMT's nationalism, which makes them so proud
>of being ROC's citizen. Let's look at NAZI German's history for a comparison.

	???????? KMT=NAZI ????????

>
>NAZI took its power by a perfectly legal election 
>which is much more clean and fair than Taiwan's last year's election.
>
>Only one year in power, NATI put 2.7 million unemployed people back to work.
>The unstable German society after WWI was brought back to order.
>German's national productivity increased in a surprising rate.
>A few years later, NAZI German won the most medals (33 golds) in Olymipic Game.
>Within 10 years, NAZI German had the strongest army in Europe.
>
>MOST German people were so proud of NAZI German then 
>and showed their support in ballots.
>Time proves them wrong.
>And German people (as well as other people) paid a extremely high price 
>to learn a lesson.
>
>My conclusion:
><1> People's pride in their own people and loyalty to their country 
>can be easily and cheaply  transformed (by politicians) into
>tools/weapons for politicians.

	Yeah, so we shouldn't be proud of being citizens of any
	countries, we should form a country ourselves. Then we 
	won't be cheaply used by anyone.

>
><2> As long as a country is NOT of the people, NOT by the people, 
>NOT for the people, it's meaningless to render loyalty.
>In addition,  it's extremely dangerous to render loyalty/obedience to 
>a dishonest government like the current KMT government in Taiwan,
>which tries every possible way to mislead its people.
>
>Peter

	According to your conclusion <2>, I find it hard to find
	any country in the world that is worthwhile being called
	as a country and being proud of. Can you give us any example?
	Or you have no idea either?

	Paul
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: to proud citizens
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:35:26 GMT
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee

In article <1992Apr14.23991.23991@Eng.Sun.COM> peter@Eng.Sun.COM (Peter Liu) writes:
>
>[lines deleted]
>NAZI took its power by a perfectly legal election 
>which is much more clean and fair than Taiwan's last year's election.
>

A while ago, some people were so excited about the direct presidential
election thinking that it would give Taiwan a better future. Exemplified
by your example here, isn't it clear that direct election may not give
what those people expect? In other word, Hitler, who was elected by people,
led Germany to you-know-what. Thus, president generated by direct election
doesn't necessary lead Taiwan to a better future, right? To broaden even
further, democracy doesn't necessary lead to a better future, right? 
 
>Only one year in power, NATI put 2.7 million unemployed people back to work.
>The unstable German society after WWI was brought back to order.
>German's national productivity increased in a surprising rate.
>A few years later, NAZI German won the most medals (33 golds) in Olymipic Game.
>Within 10 years, NAZI German had the strongest army in Europe.
>
>MOST German people were so proud of NAZI German then 
>and showed their support in ballots.
>Time proves them wrong.
>And German people (as well as other people) paid a extremely high price 
>to learn a lesson.
>
>My conclusion:
><1> People's pride in their own people and loyalty to their country 
>can be easily and cheaply  transformed (by politicians) into
>tools/weapons for politicians.
>
><2> As long as a country is NOT of the people, NOT by the people, 
>NOT for the people, it's meaningless to render loyalty.

So was this Nazi government which won a "perfect legal election" of
the people, by the people, for the people? 

I am confident that if German people had been able to foresee the
disaster they would not have elected Nazi. What can a "perfect
legal election" do?

Chou1
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear))
Subject: Re: HSNU needs you!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:38:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.124752.21080@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.191044.269@watserv1.waterloo.edu> ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear)) writes:
>>	
>>	Nope, Jian4-Zhon1 might have more hard-studying students,
>>	more acadamical reputation, but HSNU is good at uniformly
>>	devoloping students' personality, skills, maturity. I am
>>	proud of being part of it.
>
>
>	Well, I am not sure I would like to be "uniformly" developed.
>	In my experiences in Jian4-Zhon1, no one was there to tell me
>	how I should be developed (as the common believe is: that's your
>	own decision). Actually, there I met a group of people that were
>	very diversified (or strange to a degree) in both thinking,
>	personalities, and skills (don't know about "maturity" though,
>	who needed that anyway :-) Frankly, because of the atomsphere,
>	I always think it is a wrong place for some hard-studying students
>	to attend the school since they were often distracted.
>
>	I am not pround to be part of the Jian4-Zhon1, I am only happy
>	that it was part of my life. This posting has no intend to
>	offend HSNUers, I have too many friends from that school :-)
>
>Yung-Kao Hsu
>
>
	Oooops! I guess I shouldn't use uniform distribution here.
	Well, what I mean is that HSNU gives students a more balanced
	education in all areas to help them devolop themselves.
	I guess the difference between Jian4-jon1 grads. and HSNUers
	can be seen from your last paragragh, I think most of HSNUers
	are proud of being HSNUers. Again, that doesn't proof that
	HSNU is the best high school in Taiwan, that's just our own
	feeling, and we live with it quite well..:):)

	Paul(H472)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: Gin Jong fans' chellenge!! (was Re: The Six-Year National ...)
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:58:24 GMT

In <1992Apr09.193512.31616@watson.ibm.com>, TJFAN@WATSON.IBM.COM writes:
|>  
|> CHARACTERS                       NOVEL TITLE             PROJECTION
|> Shing1 Su4 Law3 Gwai4            Tien1 Long2 8 Bu4       Mao Tse-Dung
|> Shing1 Su4's students            Tien1 Long2 8 Bu4       Red Guards
|> Dong1 Fung1 Bu2 Bai4             Shiaw4 Au4 Jiang1 Hu2   Mao in his late age
|> Yang2 Lien2 Ting2                Shiaw4 Au4 Jiang1 Hu2   Jiang1 Ching1 (Mao's wife)
|> Tzuo3 (left) Leng3 (cold) Chan2  Shiaw4 Au4 Jiang1 Hu2   CKS
|> Yue4 Bu4 Chun2                   Shiaw4 Au4 Jiang1 Hu2   Deng4 Shiaw3 Ping2           
Not convincing at all. But who is projected by the character Ren4 Ying2
Ying2?

Steven
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: wcn@cs.brown.edu (Wen-Chun Ni)
Subject: Re: NON-POLITICAL Gin1 Young's novels
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 05:36:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr07.025924.23241@medsys.rn.com> bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.105132.12706@leland.Stanford.EDU> infiniti@leland.Stanford.EDU (Richard Chung-Yih Lee) writes:
>>In article <1992Mar31.155117.4204@umbc3.umbc.edu> wangs@sol.engr.umbc.edu (Shawe-Shiuan Wang) writes:
>>
>>>Which dynasty was 'Shiou4 Our4 Jiang1 Hoo2(lake)' in ?
>>>Gin Young himself said this novel does not belong to any dynasty.
>>>Well, I don't believe him. We can find some clues in the novel.
>>
>>	I haven't read the novel for quite a period of time and I don't quite
>>remember details... however, as I remember, Jang1 San1 Fong1's
>>Wu3 Dang1 Pai4, which was founded in the late Yuan Dynasty/early Ming Dynasty
>
>Do Zhang San Feng and Wu Dang Pai appear in Xiao Au Jiang Hu? Perhaps you
>are thinking about Yi3 Tian1 Tu2 Long2 Ji4?
>
>Chou1

Please refer to the novel.  The original post did not say Jang San Feng
appeared in Hsiao-Ao-Jiang-Who. It was Ching-Hsiu Dao Jang if my memory
serves me right.
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Control?! (The Six-Year...)
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:58:09 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <Apr.13.12.48.15.1992.972@math.rutgers.edu>, lko@math.rutgers.edu (lko) writes:
> 
>    The Central Daily, KMT's official newspaper, is not exactly
> my idea of where to look for facts. Still, please do cite a few
> of those "tons of facts" showing that *most* of the people in
> Taiwan proudly regard themselves as citizen of R.O.C..
> 


	** All right. Ask any business man who makes a lot
	   of money at mainland.

	   Actually, your request is not reasonable. How can
	   one "cite" that "most" people ... ? I can give you
	   an article which said that. Is that a prove? If
	   not, tell me what kind of prove you want? 
	   Yes, may be you are talking about "survey". Would
	   you take the last election as a result of the 
	   survey? If not, I don't think you are asking a
	   reasonable question.
From: amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Questions on PC parts in Taiwan
Keywords: questions
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:03:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: src.1992Apr8.210331.27751
Distribution: usa
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center


 I would greatly appreciate any information on companies in Taiwan
 exporting PC parts (such as motherboards, chassis, etc.). I am
 interested in particular about information on large volume suppliers
 (i.e. distributors, manufacturers, etc.). Please forward any info.
 directly to me by e-mail (amehdi@src.honeywell.com) because I am not a
 regular reader of this newsgroup.

   Thanks

 - H. Amehdi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Taiwan is an inseparable part of the People's Republic of China (Re: The Six-Year National Development Plan for Taiwan, "R.O.C")
Followup-To: world
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:42:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.085550.12950@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, ptyshih@watnow.waterloo.edu (Paul T.Y. Shih (Taku or Pear)) writes:
<
<	OK, kid, let uncle Paul teach you this again. Now follow me and
<	repeat; "The only legal government of Taiwan is Republic of China"

You're living in the past.  The only legal government of Taiwan is the
People's Republic of China.  The only legal government of Sichuan is the
People's Republic of China.  The only legal government of Heilongjiang is the
People's Republic of China.

<	Look who's this morom calling to, don't you know who I am, kid?

Do you really want an answer to that question?

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
From: chchang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Chun-Shi Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: "Epidemic" (Re: Most Ridiculous ?...)
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:45:46 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

lko@math.rutgers.edu (lko) writes:
------------ 1 ----------------------------------------------------------
>The outbreak of the epidemic during ROC rule...

Sigh, let try again. By "during ROC rule", you meant "during KMT rule",
didn't you? Why keep confusing these two?

------------ 2 ----------------------------------------------------------
>    Let credits fall where credits due.

Then don't you think the majority hard-working Chinese/Taiwanese derserve
the most credits? Why keep emphasizing the meager contributions Japanese
made 50 years ago?

------------ 3 ----------------------------------------------------------
>    Don't worry, a few postings by me on this net are insignificant
>comopared to the power of massive indoctrination carried out by the
>state machine. No, not even putting a little dent on the effect of 
>the goernment-written elementary school text books, which every kid 
>in Taiwan had to learn by heart.

(1) I am not worrying. :-)
(2) How do you know the contents of your "few postings" are correct?
    They may well be the result of another "massive indoctrination"
    carried out by TI supporters...

------------ 4 ----------------------------------------------------------
>    What is the point of this? Christianity has been the dominant 
>religion among high ranking officials of ROC. So how `did He (Jesus 
>Christ, oops, another "foreigner") give' them `any hints on how to 
>preserve' Chinese `Culture? :-)' Are you going to disqualify every
>Christian from talking about Chinese culture?

This is the remnant of an old debate so the questions were not directed
toward you.  Sorry about the confusion.  Please don't use such a strong
phase as "disqualify every Christian". I am merely asking some
questions.  Answer me if you feel like to. No pressure here. :-)

If you are interested, please see other postings under the same subject
title as this one.

-Chunshi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: jc2d@newton.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jyh-ching Chang)
Subject: Re: HSNU needs you!
Organization: University of Virginia
Ireallyam: jc2d
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:06:55 GMT

>
>Great!  Is this some kind of pissing contest or what?  Maybe we can also
>compare grade schools, kindergartens, day cares, fetus education,... etc.
>
>IMO, comparing high schools or lower education institutes in Taiwan is
>meaningless.  All the public schools are under the same system and philosophy,
               ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>that is to cram as many students into college as possible.  Even private
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>schools carry the same burden.  At most you can say that some schools may 
                                 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>admit more students who memorize better.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      I'm sorry for you if all you'd done in your high school life was
  just cramming yourself with those standard text book for the entrance 
exam.   Actually, I developed my reading interest about literature and 
philosophy at the time of "Green Garden", though I was a student in group
A.  And, I know most of my fellow had their own interest.  I guess the
reason somebody got the impression of "studying machine" for Bai-Iers 
is that there are alwayse so many things for us to do, so we picked up
every minutes to study.  So, you can see those dressed in green uniforms
memorizing vocabulary at the bus stop.  Sometimes we used " I have to
study " to reject those nonsence tisturbances, too. :)

      You are right in some sense:  " All the public (or high school, I'll
say) scool are under the same system and philosophy."  The difference is,
some are lead by the system and some can creat their own view even though
they are under the same system.  I'll say this is the basis to tell if a
school is good enough.  Someone has pointed out that those "good school"
just got more smarter students.  So what?  Better students make it a better
school no matter how we put those good students together, by entrace exam,
or by Bao-Sung, or whatever.
>-- 
>Wen-lin Wang				wang@ssd.intel.com
>Intel Supercomputer Systems Division    (503)629-7750
>15201 NW Greenbrier Parkway
>Beaverton, Oregon 97006 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: cyeh@descartes.waterloo.edu (Woody)
Subject: Re: Gin Jong fans' chellenge!! (was Re: The Six-Year National ...)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:13:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.084116.54326@cc.usu.edu> slqh8@cc.usu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.125027.13109@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>> In article <13891@star.cs.vu.nl> mvdvalk@cs.vu.nl (Valk v/d M) writes:
>>>Dear, dear netters. Please note the following: S. Horne is a complete and utter
>>>sod! DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO HIS IGNORANT REMARKS. IT IS A COMPLETE AND UTTER
>>>WASTE OF TIME !!!!
>>>
>>>All he wants to achieve is you guys fighting over nothing.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	According to this line, I would say Fu2 Kang1 An1 in Fei1 Hu2 Wai4 
	Zhuan4 -- A non-Chinese tries to make Chinese fighting to each other.
	(Man3 people was not considered as Chinese at that time.)

>> 
>> 
>> 	Just a few weeks ago, I made a comment about Gin Jong's novel;
>> 	particularly, I find it annoying to read many roles put into
>> 	his novel that are greatly 'irrelevant'. After seeing S. Horne's
>> 	performances, I have changed my mind a bit: there is indeed people
>> 	like Gin Jong had described in his novel :-( They may be annoying
>> 	and irrelevent but they exist!!!
>> 
>> 	Now, Gin Jong fans, there is a challenge: which role in his novels
>> 	best describe S. Horne?
>> 
>> 	In addition, many roles in Gin Jong's novels have been projected
>> 	to many politicans in recent history. Are there any one who want
>> 	to do this for any well-known people today? To have more fun out
>> 	of this, don't restrict yourselves to Chinese/Taiwanese (e.g, is
>> 	there any role similar to Edward Kennedy?).
>> 
>> Yung-Kao Hsu
>******************************************************************************
>I thing, Chang1 Shao4 Chung4 in Shu1 Chien4 Chiang1 Chan1 can represent.
>Oh, It's not proper, because Chang1's kung fu was very good.
>Then, how about Hsing1 Su4 Lao3 Kuai4's students in Tien1 Lung2 Ba1 Bu4.
>But, they still had SOME kung fu.
>Can I say Ar1 Q again?  (Gin1 Jong1 should construct a guy like this,
>                         because there are too many. )

	My dear friend, I am sorry to say that I am not agree with you.
	Chang Shao4 Chung4 can never beat Scott. Scott can always shoot him
	from his back, can't he?  ;)

	Also, Hsing1 Su4 Lao3 kuai4's student have to behave like that to
	stay alive. I don't think Scott is going to die if he doesn't do so.

	Another Character close to him is Shou4 Nan2 Shan1 in Yi3 Tien1 Tu2
	Long2 Ji4. He is a student of Yuan2 Zhen1 (a corruping power, just 
	like comunism). He is cheated by Zhao4 Ming3, and goes to southen
	part of China (Lin3 Nan2) for not chatching cold. However, he is not
	close enough. Because he makes the right decession and lives a long 
	life.

	Actually, no character is close enough to Scott. Jing1 Yuong1 wouldn't
	have bother to weaste his ink on this kind of scum. Agree?

-- Woody
-- 
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From: jkh3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jerry K Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Sleazy Countries (was Re: The Six-Year National...)
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:24:36 GMT
Reply-To: jkh3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jerry K Huang)
Distribution: na
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Apr10.203810.23643@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.225426.1071@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr8.190605.15000@dlb.com>, steven@dlb.com (Steven Tsowen Chiang) writes:
>>
>><>What "friends around the world" does the so-called "ROC" have?  Good ole
>><>South Africa and south Korea--that's about all.  And I certainly wouldn't want
>><>to call those sleazes my only friends.
>><
>><Certainly they are not sleazy.
>>
>>South Africa isn't sleazy?!?!  South Korea isn't sleazy?!?!  I guess an
>>"ROC"-backer would think so.
>>
>>					--Scott
>>
>
>Mr. Horne, could you elaborate on that please?  
>
>As a Korean, I found your remark extremely interesting.  As one of the
>countries who is a beginner in modern democracy, we do have our problems,
>but not because of lack of effort.  Our government and politicians are
>certainly sleazy, about as sleazy as any other government.  Unless you have
>a way to determine the "degree of sleaziness" of the politicians (for what
>it is worth), I find your remark unjustifiable.  I do not know of any
>government having decided to have relationship with other government based
>on its counterpart's sleaziness/goodness.  If you think otherwise, please
>forward your follow-up to soc.culture.korean, since that's where it belongs
>and I am sure there are lots of people who will *love* to discuss it with
>you.  
>
>I will not post this on s.c.k just to start the worthless flame war.
>Please do reply only if you have an apology or any other *productive*
>opinions.  Otherwise, it doesn't really belong anywhere.
>
>I don't normally read s.c.c because I don't really know what is going on in
>China, nor I understand any Chinese frequently used in many articles.  The
>sheer amount of article also drove me away, although I recently found out
>the flame war between Scott Horne and A Lot of Others (tm) consists roughly
>half of the traffic.  He also has his share of traffic in s.c.k., although
>I haven't followed his recent ones because he became a charter member of my
>KILL file there.  
>
>I do respect his knowledge and his stamina(!), but I find it hard to
>believe that a man of his knowledge and intelligence cannot write a well
>composed article and lack the patience and sensitivity not to provoke the
>mindless flame wars.  I have egos too, but I would think again about what I
>did, if so many people went nuts because of me.  Wouldn't you?
>
>My apology is to s.c.c. netters who feel this article is out of place.
>
>Andy Kim
>jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu

What a blow! Great job, Andrew! I'm proud of our being in the same node.