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From: rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: game (no prizes)
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:32:33 GMT
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In article <1992Dec13.233240.2208@cc.uow.edu.au>, jlloyd@cc.uow.edu.au
(Jonathan Lloyd) wrote:
> OK Here goes!
> 
> 1. What are the capital cities of Wales and Scotland?

Neddy and Jim, respectively.

> 
> 2. In what year was the Falklands war fought?

You mean the Malvinas?

> 
> 3. Who is 2nd in line to the throne at present?

The Rotweiller

> 
> 4. Name 3 leading London soccer clubs.

Needle, Noddle, Noo, to name but a few.

> 
> 5. What is the name of the building where parliament is housed?

Australia House

> 
> 6. Is a pork pie normally served hot or cold?

Trick question. Like toast, it arrives cold whether it started out hot or
not.

> 
> 7. Name one of the "Goons".

Bluebottle.

> 
> 8. How many players are normally fielded in a rugby union team?

Depends on how much they've had to drink before the game.

> 
> 9. Who was the first woman leader of the opposition?

Boadecia

> 
> 10. What is the name of the long running BBC weekly pop music TV programme?

Sorry, I haven't a clue.

> 
> How about a pass mark of 5 out of 10?
> 
> -Jonathan.

-Rich Haller <rhaller@ns.uoregon.edu>   University of Oregon, Eugene, OR,
USA
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From: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Dates 1603, 1688, and 1707
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:09:59 GMT
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Organization: University of California, San Diego
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In article <1992Dec15.152135.29068@news.clarkson.edu> walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:
>From article <katherim.724369618@sfu.ca>, by katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason):
>> walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:
>> 
>>>From article <1gdrn0INNnu9@network.ucsd.edu>, by fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister):
>>>> 
>>>> It is rather hard to believe that the Stuarts ceased being kings of
>>>> Scotland when they became Kings of England.
>>>> 
>>>But they were not kings of England, they were kings of the UK (United
>>>Kingdom) when the Union of the Crowns Took place in 1603.
>> 
>>>														GW
>> 
>> I would be remiss in my duties to my ancestors and also to my fellow
>> Scottish Canadians if I failed to point out the view, espoused by many,
>> that this union became null and void in 1688 upon the accession of 
>> William and Mary.
>> 
>> Katherine Merle Mason
>> Ne Oublie....
>>  
>
>The problems associated with the dates 1688, 1707, 1715, and 1745, have
>always caused mixed emotions in Scotland. Some may view 1688 as being a
>black day for Scotland because the "ligitimate" heir to the throne was
>replaced by parliment with a more acceptable monarch. However, from the
>"republican" point of view (which I would suggest only came into being
>after 1789) this date marks the date when power was transfered from one

All of Britain was a republic from 1649 to 1660, and republicanism
did not die off when the Crown was restored in the latter year.
Indeed, there was a successful revival of republicanism in 13 of the
15 North American mainland colonies in 1776.



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From: ewadams@netcom.com (Ernest Adams)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Nominate President of Britain
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:16:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Rowan Atkinson!

or, if you want someone goodlooking who might actually *do* something:

Kenneth Branagh (then we'd get the delightful Emma Thompson as 1st lady)
From: martin.baines@uk.sun.com (Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Nominate President of Britain
Date: 17 Dec 1992 15:14:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Ltd
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In article 2b2d16cc@ul.ie, mckeonj@ul.ie () writes:
>I see on the news tonight that Wedgie introduced a Bill into
>Parliament to abolish the Monarchy and establish a Commonwealth
>of Great Britain, with a President, and bring down the voting
>age to 16.
>I like the idea of a President. Any nominations?
>(Must be British, though. Pity! Mary Robinson could fit
>Britain in with Ireland. Maybe Jaques Delors?)

Depends how politcal you want him/her to be. Either of the
following would be in with a good chance if they stood:

Margaret Thatcher (hated by the left/soft-right, but still
                   personally very popular)
Queen Elizabeth  (Or presumably Elizabeth Windsor in her
                  new role)

My own nominations (if the role was constitionally similar
to Ireland's President):

John Mortimer
Tony Benn
Norman Tebbitt
Ken Livingstone
Richard Branson
John Harvey Jones
Brian Redhead
Sir Robin Day

Is that a catholic enough list?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Robertson's Golly Badges.
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:50:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.011102.20389@netcom.com>, sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
> Tim Streater writes:
> >Well here we are divided by a common language again. When I was a small boy, I
> >had a collection of cloth dolls of which my Golly was the biggest and best. It
> >was in no way grotesque. Good - this explains a lot. I could never understand
> >what Americans had against Gollies. It almost seemed hypocitical, given the
> >existance in any toyshop here of dolls with black faces. I can only assume that
> >the original Golliwog character was a figure of fun, laughed at or taunted
> >simply because he was black. Can you tell us more, Sue?
> >
> 
> Hmm.  Sorry, I think that's way off track.  There are plenty of dolls (now) 
> with black skin.  They look more or less like all the other dolls.  Gollies
> look uncomfortably like many rather less kind (read stereotypic) depictions 
> of black people which were fairly common not too many decades ago.

I didn't want to get involved in this thread, but I couldn't let this
pass. How is a golliwog somehow more offensive that any other rag doll?
All of them look pretty grotesque to me, the only difference with gollies
is that they are made with black cotton instead of pink. 

> We don't sell such dolls now, not because the original Golliwog character was
> a figure of fun/laughed at/taunted due to his color, BUT BECAUSE BLACK 
> PEOPLE WERE (are).  This is not something in the recent past which
> we generally wish to celebrate.  

This sounds a bit like paranoia. I am not trying to play down the effects
of racism and I will admit that the US probably had a bigger problem at
the time (due to having a bigger minority) but there does seem to be a
weird reaction in the US such that whole subjects become taboo simply
because one small subsection of it may cause offense to some people. It
always smacks of over-reaction to me.

> BTW I consider Barbie/Cindy dolls to be grotesque female dolls,
> but I don't expect them to be taken off the shelves any time soon.  :-)

Don't understand the smiley (maybe the wrong group). But if you happy to
accept the banning of one brand of toy because they can be seen as
depicting a degrading stereotype then why would you smile off another
example?

Simon.

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From: dpl@aber.ac.uk (David Philip Langstaff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Overseas Appliances
Date: 14 Dec 92 10:18:22 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Dec11.132927.29114@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ckp2n@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Christina Powell) writes:
>
>Transformers are available up to at least 1600 watts (we had one
>when we lived in England).  They are of course more expensive
>than lower-watted ones.  With the reduction of U.S. military
>troops in England, there should be lots of used transformers on
>the market.

I'd say much bigger than that Christine. The reason being that electrical 
equipment used on building sites, such as high power drills, electric cement
mixers, is all designed to run on 110V for safety. Thus hire centres which
offer building equipment will all have 240/110V isolating transformers
for hire on a weekly or monthly rate.The last one I borrowed was about 1
ft cube and rated at 3KVA (or 3 Kw)

hope this helps

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: Green cards
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:59:15 GMT

sballant@iastate.edu (Susan Ballantine) writes:
| Incidentally, I still have my 15-year old green card, and had to make an 
				^^
| emergency trip home last week--I got royally chewed out at St. Louis by the
| customs officer there because I didn't have a pink one yet. All the signs at 
| Immigration indicate that after July 1 1993 everyone's must be pink.

I got this from two independent sources who had recently dealt with INS
officials.  The key is the thumbprint; if you don't have one, you must
have a new green card.

The old, green ones don't.  The 1972 variety (just too late for Susan's
15 years) do; they are white on the front and green on the back.  The
newest style is valid for 10 years and is pink.  Either of the last two
styles will stay valid.

I tried to call the Boston INS to confirm, and got the usual response:
they force you to listen to at least one unhelpful recorded message,
play the same hold music over and over again for 45 minutes, then hang
up on you.
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: streater@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater)
Subject: Re: BOXING DAY- 26th Dec
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:00:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.133055.18008@pts1.pts.mot.com> alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com writes:
>
>As I always understood it Boxing Day was so called because the Well to
> do or more fortunate people would 'BOX' up their unwanted or surplus 
>gifts up after Xmas and give them to the poor and needy the day after
>.. Hence the 26th being Boxing Day.....

Boxing Day is *not* the day after Xmas day (i.e. the 26th). Boxing Day is the
first *working* day after the 25th, which is hence often the 26th but need not
be. The prezzies were for the tradespeople who regularly delivered to the
house, hence the need for it to be a working day. These days it is merely a
holiday, which is probably why I used to get my Christmas box well before
Christmas when I delivered newspapers in the Gatwick Airport area 30 years ago.

Tim.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Do we really need the monarchy?
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 18:20:02 GMT

Robert Firth (firth@sei.cmu.edu) wrote:
> In article <1992Dec17.164928.7051@mdivax1.uucp> robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Robinson) writes:
> 
> >What? The future (well, maybe) Queen of England (and Canada) never made it
> >out of the Brit equivalent of grade 12? A high school drop-out for a
> >Queen? Say it ain't so.
> 
> O, the horror!  I mean, remember that famous speech at Tilbury by Queen
> Elizabeth I:
> 
> 	"I may be but a weak and feeble woman, but I have the
> 	 heart and liver of a king, ten O-levels, three A-levels,
> 	 and a Diploma in Advanced Beheading, so eat my shorts,
> 	 Philip II!"
> 
> How could we ever have defeated the Invincible Armada without her?

It just occurred to me that about 350 years after one Liz ticked off a
Phil, another Liz married one.  Wonder if anyone remarked on it at the
time?

Of course it was just a union of dedicated horse-lovers.....

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: "Green" Cards
Keywords: green card
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 22:07:40 GMT

ablackb1@ccswarthmore.edu writes:

>I was stopped coming in to Philly 3 years ago with a "green" green card issued
>in '63 and told I HAD to get a new one and he put a note in my passport to that
>effect, 18 months and 3 applications I got a new one - they kept losing the
>applications, sent one to the wrong address, it was wild, to say nothing of
>sitting in the Immigration office hours on end THREE times!

I had one that was issued in 1956 when I was 4 years old.  When I came back
from a vacation in 1980, the INS official in San Francisco told me I was
supposed to get a new one when I turned 14.  She just scribbled all over it
and put a note in my passport about it.  I went down to the INS in 1985
when it became obvious that I would be leaving the country again and got a
new one that is off white with blue letterin on the front and read on the
back.  It says: Form I-551 Jan. 77 in the lower right hand corner on the
back.

As far as I know it is good forever.

----
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From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: More Silly Songs-Colonel Bogey
Date: 19 Dec 1992 04:47:09 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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		More Silly Songs-Colonel Bogey

  Remember the military march "Colonel Bogey"? In case you forgot, it 
appears in "Bridge on the River Kwai".
  Does the British army still use it? I have heard Indian army bands playing
it not too long ago.
  Coming to the thread of "silly songs", old-timers might remember the
W.W.2 version of this march with the words:

Hitler, he had but one big ball
Rommel, he had three but small
Himmler, had something similar
and Goebbels had NONE AT ALL!

  Does anyone remember the other stanzas? There must have been something
about Goering, Ribbentrop et al.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson)
Subject: Re: Boxing Day tradition?
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:11:38 GMT

Yvette wrote:
>Can  anyone  give me an expanded explaination  of Boxing  Day   and what
>takes place in England  today?

Can't talk about today but forty years ago we would all lie around
groaning till mid-afternoon, and then start picking at the left overs.
And my mum would give a few bob to the milkman, paper boy, etc.

Dick Jackson
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: Mike King
Subject: Re: More silly songs.
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:54:36 GMT

In article <Bz4AHn.1Gz@math.uwaterloo.ca> arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca (Adrian
Pepper) writes:
>Is there any more to the following:
>
>  While shepherds washed their socks by night,
>  All seated round a tub,


>  The angel of the Lord came down,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>  And taught them how to scrub.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I remember these two lines as
       "A bar of Sunlight Soap came down
        And they began to scrub."


Mike King.
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: US bombed Libyan civilians
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:25:38 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

andrewg@brtph346.BNR.CA (Krishna Kushwaha P205) wrote:
> The British Government had reasons of its own for disliking Libya. Their 
> support of IRA and the murder of the women police officer by a Libyan 
> "diplomat". Even if they weren't guilty of the German Disco bombing 
> they have plenty of other blood on their hands. Perhaps Britain should 
> of bombed Libya itself rather than have the Americans do their dirty work
> for them. The RAF killed plenty of German civilians by bombing the shit out
> of Germany during WWII, so a precedent exists. 

The British have quite a few other precedents of the same ilk to call on:
the Amritsar massacre, shooting Welsh miners at Tonypandy, distributing
smallpox-infected blankets to Amerindians, bounty-hunting Tasmanians,
random killings of Scottish peasants after Culloden, slaughtering a large
fraction of the population of Ireland under Cromwell, the RAF bombing the
Greek resistance to assist Nazi collaborators in the 40s... Are we supposed
to take centuries of psychopathic bullying violence by our ruling class as
some sort of moral obligation to cheer them on for more of the same?

Why doesn't your login name and personal name match?  Who are you, really?

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From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: Banned: ``Happy Holidays'' [sic]
Organization: National University of Singapore
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:30:45 GMT

martin.baines@uk.sun.com (Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge) writes:
on the subject of a small tropical island famous for its chilli crab:

: IMHO Singapore (which has *lot* of different belief sets) has got
: it abour right: the major festivals of Christians, Muslims, Hindus
: Confusions

	I love it. Confusions for Confucians!

 and Teoist are all celibrated. Of course being Singapore
: most people just work on through...


	Huh, you should be here for Chinese New Year. Place shuts down.
Apart from the restaurants. Not  a good time of year for crabs : 
:
Richard Pennell History NUS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: Robertson's Golly Badges.
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:47:37 GMT

cah@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ceri Hopkins) writes:
: . . . it may be of interest that there exists a car repair business in
Balsall Heath, Birmingham (UK) called Golliwogs (not Golly). Balsall Heath is
: an inner city area with a high percentage of black residents. That
: such a business should exist (and continue to do so) -- although no
: doubt it does offend many people -- may partly illustrate some
: differences between the UK and US "overall" view of a golliwog
: [although I couldn't hope to describe the "overall" UK view - just
: that examples like this may hint at something].		
: 
	Do you know the race/colour of the owner?

Richard Pennell, History NUS
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: prodger@leland.Stanford.EDU (phillip prodger)
Subject: Re: Green cards
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 23:00:06 GMT

In article <Bz9AD4.9B8@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> patk@sr.hp.com (Patrick Kearney) writes:
>Can anyone tell me why Green Cards are actually blue? Mine is. Does
>the colour of these things have some significance? Are Green ones
>reserved for Hispanics, Blue for Europeans etc.? 

They're all the same colour.  I believe they were originally green, then
changed to blue for some deeply practical reason.  The 'green' name stuck,
especially good money connotations etc...

>The reason I ask is: some years ago, I went back to London and
>left my Green card at home in California. On my return to the US
>the Immigration wallahs were naturally a bit suspicious and
>although I was allowed back, I had to pay a visit to the San
>Francisco office of the INS to prove I had a card. During this
>visit, I produced said card with a flourish and was chastised for
>displaying it so prominently. The only reason I could see for this
>admonishment, assuming the general design of the cards to be the
>same, was that the colour might be significant. Or was the INS
>official just being a wally?

A lot of people at INS don't have green cards...  There is a kind of
social taboo to shaking it about in front of people; there is also a
market for stolen cards.  Rumor has it people who display their cards
prominently at INS can be mugged on the way back to their car.

Oh, and the INS official was almost certainly subhuman.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: Green cards
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 20:04:56 GMT

zoran@hertz.njit.edu (zoran siveski fac ee) writes:

>In article <1992Dec17.215840.21427@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ckp2n@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Christina Powell) writes:
>>
>>P.S.  Don't plan on getting your wallet stolen.  INS will treated
>>YOU like the criminal.  I had to take my mom to deal with them in
>>just such a situation, and up to the time she decided to become
>>an American citizen (1989, about 9 years after the theft), she got 
>>hassles about it.

>Rather don't plan on carrying your "green card" with you (unless you
>travel abroad, of course.) You are not required by the law to do it.

I always thought you had to carry it.  I was on a bus traveling from San Jose
to San Diego back in the 70's and the INS came on board in San Luis Obispo
and checked everyone's green card.  One Hispanic on the bus didn't have one
and was removed.

The guy was a little surprised when he asked me if I was a citizen and I
said no and gave him my green card.  Guess he didn't expect a white person
with a standard California accent to be an alien. (-:

John Vander Borght
john@sequent.com

>							Zoran
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From: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re:  Last name
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:33:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


This has been covered before but here it is again:

The present last name is Windsor.

The queen changed this for future members of the family and it is
confusing to say the least.  For those who come to the throne it
will remain Windsor but Andrew, Edward and Anne are Windsor-Mountbatten.
Since Andrew is now the Duke of York I assume that changes for him.
Anne signed her marriage certificate (to Mark Phillips) Windsor-Mountbatten.
I don't know what Edward is using.

If anyone has more information please post it.

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