HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: LUTFEN BU YAZIYI OKUYUN VE USLANIN
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:52:38 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <16859B9E7.OKVH$HA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> OKVH$HA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:

>BU NETWORK'U ANLAMSIZ BIR SURU TEKRARLA DOLDURAN SEVGILI USERLAR. LUTFEN,
>BIRBIRININ TEKRARI 10 TANE POSTING YAPIP EKRANLARIMIZI OKUNAMAZ HALE GETIRMEYIN
>TEK POSTINGLE DE ISTEDIGINIZ KADAR BIRBIRINIZE HAKARET EDIP, DEMAGOJI
>YAPABILIRSINIZ.  BEN VE BENIM GIBILER ZATEN SIZIN YAZDIKLARINIZI OKUMUYORUZ.
>TERBIYELI, AZ VE OZ YAZIN VEYA KAVGA ETMEK ICIN GIDIP YANI BIR KANAL KULLANIN.
>KAVGA DEGIL, ULUSLARARSI ISBIRLIGIYLE ILGILENENLERE STEPHEN KRASNER'IN
>"INTERNATIOONAL REGIMES" VE KEOHANE'IN "INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTIONS..." ISIMLI
>KITAPLARINI TAVSIYE EDERIM.  DALASIP BU EKRANI DOLDURMAKTAN BASKA ISINIZ YOKSA
>GET A LIFE YA DA BIR UGRAS EDININ.

Nazik tavsiyenizin yanInda adInIzI da lUtfeder miydiniz ?

Kutluk
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:9779 soc.culture.jewish:15570 soc.culture.greek:8617 soc.culture.europe:8214
From: deniz@atlas.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: how european do the turks feel
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:07:54 GMT
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
X-Posted-From: atlas.ctr.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <9209082000.AA10307@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.DElcoelect.COM (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>
>Entrance to the EC is simply money. What XXX has to give and what XXX
>has to offer in return... In Turkiye's case, the obvious "to give" 
>feature is lots of cheap labor. I chuckle every time you (or anyone
>else) mentions Greece as the only stumbling block in Turkiye's 
>entry in the EC... Witness what is happening in Germany (attacks
>against guest workers and refugees). Greece's just a convenient
>excuse that other governments can use to deny entrance to Turkiye. 
>

I personally don't think Turkey should enter the EEC.  I don't think
it makes sense for Turkey in the long run.  I know that Greece is a rather
convenient excuse for other governments to stall Turkey.  Actually, 
I have to say that I am rather thankful to Greece for it.  

>(thanks for reminding everyone just "how bad dem greeks are")

I don't think Greeks are bad.  Just so it's on the record.

>As for the remarks that Turkiye is a member of, say, European sports or
>broadcasting organizations, well, Israel is a member of sports
>associations (great basketball folks!), broadcasting (Eurovision song
>festival, argh) , and other associations in Europe. I have not seeing
>them proclaiming their "European-ness" anytime lately...

Again we come to what European means.  Problem is, there seems to be quite 
a number of people, both from Turkey and from 'Europe' that seem to
attach all kinds  of glowing values to the label 'European' and who
should be able to use it and who should not.  All I'm trying to say
is, from the standpoint of governments, Turkey seems to be classified 
as a European government.  Anything else, who knows and who cares?  

>
>(not-so European) Spiros

Definitely not European Deniz 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan)
Subject: gagavuz siirleri
Originator: senel@irlsp
Organization: Takanumi University of Technology, Tokyo, Japan
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 14:30:49 GMT

Subject:      Gagavuz Siirleri

(Cagdas Gagavuz Kadin Sairlerinden Ornekler adli Prof. Dr. Tuncer
Gulensoy'un makalesinden alinmistir...)

Mamu Icin Soz

Mamu- o bir maavi gok!
Mamu- o yalpak gunes!
Yisider da, o bu"u"der de.
Fena gozden koruyer.

Mamu- te o yildizlar,
U"u"sek gokten s,avk eden!
Mamu- te o fidannar,
Kauk cicekten alan!

Ekmek sofra ustunde,
Sular duruk c,o"mede,
Bulutlar, butun du"nnee,
Bakin sen dolaylara ne gorersin-
Hepsi onnar mamudan!

           Olga Radova

mamu= anne; yalpak=parlak; yisider=isitir; u"u"sek=yuksek
du"nnee= dunyaya

(Sozcuklerin anlasilmasinda gucluk cekilecek yerlere ", ,
isaretleriyle aciklik getirmeye calistim. A. Toprak)

Daatmaa Karanni
(Karanligi dagitmaya)

Halkim yasar kara dagda
Birkac yildiz gokte;
Dener dagli aydinnatmaa
Oyalanma dipte.

Biter te irminci asir,
Dagliksa hep kara.
Karannikta gahlar fikir,
Baraam insannara.

Ben bir yildiz, ani lagzim
Doksun s,ilak ere.
O"le yildiz lagzim yansin,
Ve yisitsin sere...

Burai lagzim u"zlen s,ilak,
Zere insan o"lu"r.
Soluk, ag nec,e bir toprak,
Vay, kaybelir o"mu"r!

S,avkim uc,er ere hizli,
Dagider o karannigi
Eter millet gezme yasli,
Ha birakalim dag~lii

Benim kisa yasamamda
Ben calisyorum cok
Te onnara, ani dagata,
Barmak olmazim tok

Ben bir yildiz, duudum gokte
Geldim calmaa sigir.
Halkim, anna, cirkin dipte,
Carsafini fiydir.

                 Valentina Karanfil Gulkizi

irminci= yirminci; baraam: varayim; s,ilak= s,avk= parlak;
ere= yere; yisitsin= isitsin; kaybelir= kaybolur; eter= yeter;
duudum= dogdum; fiydir= c,ikar

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: barutcuzadec@newton.hartwick.edu (Cafer Barutcuzade)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Forget Cyprus
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:03:56 -0500
Organization: HARTWICK COLLEGE

Mr Varnavas,
	I was just reading your letter and the last line stroke me. You said
you can discuss all of your differences witn Mr Serdar Boztas. I had to stop
and think for a while. All of your letter's contents was all about the same 
cry about Turkey's invasion of Cyprus. If you are willing to discuss any 
differences between the two communities, please look the so-called invasion as
a safety pin for Turkish Cypriots. 

	I don't claim that people did not die or Turkey was right invading 
the island, of course if we can call it invasion. If you are willing to discuss
the subject peacefully you can be sure that me and many other Turkish Cypriots
are ready to reply you politely and without any cross posting. I myself proved
that we can leave with Greeks under the same roof by having a Greek roommate
for a year at the college, but of course still doesn't proof anything as most
of the cases, I think, it is the outside intervention which screwed up the 
whole setup at Cyprus ( I am not pointing to the Peace Operation at 1974 )

	During wars people die, and in Cyprus both community had big losses,
however what's important is to leave those things behind ans turn to a new
page. 

-- 
Cafer Barutcuzade.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: deniz@atlas.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus)
Subject: Re: Kelly, Kelly... Why are you doing this?
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:34:28 GMT
X-Posted-From: atlas.ctr.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <18p4cjINNslg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> by403@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>
>But then we never saw a SINGLE Turk or Turkophile rise up to the occasion
>and criticise Mutlu & Co. In private, I have many letters of people doing
>just that. But not on the net... 
>

This has been brought up time and time again.  Usually I am against this
kind of 'spokesmanship' because a bunch of graduate students, most of
whom have time to kill while waiting for some experiment to finish or
some computer simulation to conclude, do not represent anybody but
themselves and are not required to post their opinions on demand.  

But, if I see yet another reference to no 'SINGLE Turk or Turkophile'
issuing a statement as to what their policy towards Mutlu is, I am ready
to quit browsing through netnews. (Should have done it long time ago...)

I have been reading netnews on and off since 1988, reading quite
extensively in 1990.  I remember Hasan Mutlu as a somewhat abrasive
poster whose every posting I did not agree with, but who did not cross
the limits of what *I* consider acceptable behaviour.  

In 1992, I find Hasan Mutlu's postings to be way off the mark.  I
believe he has probably angered and driven into prejudice quite a number
of people reading unrelated newsgroups.  

So here goes:
I, Deniz, as a common Turk, confirmed nationalist and Turkophile:

1. find his language to be unnecessarily abrasive.
2. find his crossposting to be at least rude to other newsgroups.
3. find the reams of quotations that people have to wade through
annoying and often beside the point. 

4. find your demand for such a statement from a Turk to be 
	a. self important . Why must anyone care enough to reply?
	b. part of an effort to try to prove that all Turks on the net,
whether or not they read the postings in question, are in tacit
agreement.  Who was it that complained about trying to show 'Just how
bad dem Greeks are'?? Are you sure you are not trying to do the same
thing?  

Satisfied?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: benan@utkvx1.utk.edu (Basoglu, Benan)
Subject: Turkiye'nin sesi radyosu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 01:02:00 GMT

Turkiye'nin sesi radyosunun  Kuzey Amerika  uzerine  hangi  saatler arasinda
ve hangi frekanslardan yayin yaptigini bilen bir arkadas bana bildirebilirse
cok memnun olurum. Simdiden tesekkurler.

Benan BASOGLU 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan)
Subject: Ligde Mac
Originator: senel@irlsp
Organization: Takanumi University of Technology, Tokyo, Japan
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 19:22:15 GMT


     Sun Sep 13, 1992 11:39 am  EST
     Murat Tekalp
     tekalp@trbilun.BITNET

Sariyer   0   Kocaeli        1
               82' Melih

Bakirkoy  3   Genclerbirligi 2
  Bakirkoy ilk yariyi Hasan ve Zafer'in golleri ile 2-0
  onde kapadiktan sonra GB ikinci yarida beraberligi
  sagladi. Fakat 88' Bakirkoy bir gol daha atip maci aldi.

Ankaragucu 0  Bursa          1
               55' ?




                0  G  B  M    A   Y    P
                ------------------------
Trabzon         4  3  1  -   10   2   10
Bursa           4  3  1  -    9   2   10
Fenerbahce      4  3  -  1   12   4    9
Kocaeli         4  3  -  1   13   7    9
Galatasaray     4  3  -  1    7   3    9
Altay           4  3  -  1    5   4    9
Besiktas        4  2  2  -    5   3    8
Karsiyaka       4  1  2  1    6   4    5
Kayseri         4  1  1  2    9  11    4
Gaziantep       4  1  1  2    4   8    4
Ankaragucu      4  1  -  3    5   5    3
Bakirkoy        4  1  -  3    6  11    3
Aydin           4  1  -  3    2   7    3
Sariyer         4  1  -  3    2   8    3
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:10006 talk.politics.mideast:20099 talk.politics.soviet:7949 soc.culture.greek:8920 soc.culture.europe:8394 soc.history:8307 news.admin.policy:16
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,news.admin.policy
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet,soc.history
Subject: Re: Violating First Amendment!  Get a clue, randal person!
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 21:55:08 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <19535@ector.cs.purdue.edu> spaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) writes:

>What Randal said.

Well, you take it from there.

>Plus, Usenet is international and multicultural in scope.  The First
>Amendment means something in the US, but holds little sway in the
>other scores of countries where Usenet is received.

Sorry, but your argument falls flat on its face. I don't live in "the 
other scores of countries". Now try dealing with the rest of what
I wrote. In fall 1942, the Armenian infantry battalions 808 and 809 
were formed, to be followed by battalions 810, 812 and 813 in spring 
1943. In the second half of 1943 infantry battalions 814, 815 and 816 
were created. These battalions together with other indigenous Caucasian 
units were attached to the infantry division 162. Also attached to ID 
162 were the field battalions II/9, I/125 and I/198 which were formed 
between May 1942 and May 1943. Altogether twelve Armenian battalions served 
the Nazi army, if battalion II/73, which was not employed at any time, is 
to be included.[1] Most battalions were commanded by Nazi Armenian officers.
Armenians wore German uniforms with an armband in the Dashnag colours 
red-blue-orange and the inscription 'Armenien.'

[1] Joachim Hoffmann, 'Dies Ostlegionen 1941-1943, Turkotataren, 
    Kaukasier und Wolgafinned im deutschen Heer,' (Verlag Rombach
    Freiburg 1976), p. 172.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.history
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Only one in ten "Sipas" called up to join the Greek navy can swim.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:57:16 GMT


In article <1992Sep5.051241.16404@leland.Stanford.EDU> arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian) writes:

>	Does one have a right to say anything to a person who does not
>want to hear it?

Switch to "B" channel.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek
From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: "sipa, sipa"... Why are you doing this?
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:49:24 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <9209131800@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

+>In article <18p4cjINNslg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> by403@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

+>>Ooooh. 'Mr. Mutlu.' I am AWED. Like, Wow, Dude. Raaaadical. Far Out.

+>But I still fail to see how you can challenge the following scholarly
+>source?

+>Source: Professor Stanford J. Shaw, 'The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and 
+>        the Turkish Republic,' New York University Press, New York (1991).

	I challange it based on the fact that you refuse to reveal how
much money Professor Stanford J. Shaw has received and is receiving from
the turkish government and various turkish organizations.  I contend
that he is nothing more than a paid agent of reactionary turks such as
yourself who have an intense need to attack those peoples who have freed
themselves from turkish rule in this century and the last.

	I dare you to list the monitary contributions Shaw has received.
From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat  Dogan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: test
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:26:39 GMT
Organization: Columbia University



 this is just a test...
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: 'ARMENIAN SOLDIERS ANNIHILATING ESCAPING FAMILIES'
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:01:19 GMT


In article <visser.715721375@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:

>	Dont bother to look at archives because there have already been
>at least six postings that I have positivly identified as Previously
>Multu posts.  All that really changes is the insult header.  The rest
>is from the Multu archives. 

No kidding. Below you will find an article from Turkish daily Milliyet, 
which references another article from British Sunday Times:

---begin translated text---

   Milliyet, 2 March 1992; Page 1.  by Altan OYMEN

  Title: 'Massacre?' OVER THERE

"There were conflicting news about the Azeri-Armenian fights in Karabag
for a long time. While the Azeri sources claimed Armenians as aggressors,
most of western press was writing just the opposite. Especially in some
French newspapers..  French Government was being  called to take action
to save 'poor Armenians' from `aggressive Azeris.'"

The voice of truth against this Forgery has come from  British newspapers.
The British journalists who went to the region told about what is
happening there.
 
Here is what Sunday Times printed on First Page with photographs:

	'ARMENIAN SOLDIERS ANNIHILATING ESCAPING FAMILIES'

A few lines from the text of the news:

	''Armenian soldiers killed more than 450 Azeris, mostly women and
	children, by bullets and bayonets. The victims were escaping from
	the attack on their cities to save their lives. Hundreds, perhaps
	thousands of people are lost or killed (..) The Massacre was realized
	in a pass where 1500 people were surrounded by Armenian soldiers,
	on wednesday morning.''

The journalist Thomas Goltz, is not only writing based on eyewitness
information, at the same time the bloody pictures of people who somehow
survived this massacre are being given. Their stories as eye-witnesses
are also included.

In this way in front of the eyes of the world public a 1992 model
`Massacre' is being presented with witnesses and documents.

The people responsible for the unfortunate events which occurred during
a world war 77 years before are no longer alive. However, the ones
responsible for this massacre are available: They are wandering around
in Karabag and its environs in the form of `Armenian Soldier.'

---end of translated text---

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: cosar@ulysses.cs.umn.edu (Ahmet Cosar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Turkish characters for IBM available for anonymous FTP
Date: 13 Sep 92 03:19:33 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

The software described below is available for anonymous from ftp.cs.umn.edu
within pub/users/cosar in the file Turkish_Characters_for_IBM.tar.
I tested it and looks fine on the screen. A brief description is given
below, which is also available in the Turkish_Characters_for_IBM.README
file:

	!From: senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan)
	!Subject: Turkish characters.....
	!Message-ID: <Bu8A1o.MMB@vuse.vanderbilt.edu>
	!
	!
	!Hi folks,
	!
   	!I found a program (not copyrighted) that gives the ability to
	!write Turkish characters in (S)VGA systems. It doesn't stay resident
	!in PC RAM. (It changes VGA font table)
	!
  	!Also there is another utility which remaps the keyboard to write
	!in Turkish easily such that,
	!
     	!ALT S   maps_to      sh
     	!ALT C   maps_to      ch
     	!ALT U
     	!etc....
	!
   	!Is there anyone who knows an anonymous ftp site where I can
	!put those stuff in?
	
   	!Please reply by e-mail.
	!
	!Hakan

Use command "ftp ftp.cs.umn.edu" and login with user-id "anonymous"
then enter your e-mail address as password. Please don't forget to
switch into "binary mode" with the "bin" command before uploading it.

If you have any questions send mail to cosar@mail.cs.umn.edu.



--
   A.Cosar                                                                      ________________________________________________________________________                
Disc space -- the final frontier!                                               ________________________________________________________________________

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Disclaimer: I speak for myself<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan)
Subject: Texas-Malatya by Ufuk Guldemir
Originator: senel@irlsp
Organization: Takanumi University of Technology, Tokyo, Japan
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 00:41:16 GMT


Hi everybody,

  Two weeks ago, while I was in Turkiye, I came across a very
well written book by Ufuk Guldemir. In his book, "Texas Malatya", Ufuk
Guldemir tells the relations between Turkiye and USA for the period
1980-1990 just before the Kuwait Crisis in an objective manner. It is
in Turkish, I recommend strongly because in order to understand Turkey's
international policies, one must read this book. It contains interviews
with many diplomats in both sides such as Robert Strausz Hupe, 
Mr. Abramovitz (former councellors in US embassy in Ankara), Ilter Turkmen,
Sukru Elekdag, Nuzhet Kandemir, Hasan Esat Isik, etc.

 Some of the headlines in the book:

    Before 1983   (1980-1983)
    SEIA 
    Armenian Proposal to Congress
    Texas-Malatya
    Role of US in relations with Greece
    Turgut Ozal-Kenan Evren
    Ozal-Cyprus
    Ozal-Patriach
    Ozal-Isreal
    Islamic fundamentalism

  This book is a "MUST READ". I strongly recommend to everyone.

Hakan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: armagan@sassafras (Armagan Ozdinc)
Subject: CHP KURULTAYI
Reply-To: armagan@prc.unisys.com
Organization: Paramax Systems
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:53:33 GMT

13 yil aradan sonra, Cumhuriyet Halk Partisi (CHP) dun, 9 Eylul 1992,
yapilan kurultayi ile yeniden acildi. Yapilan oylama sonucunda Genel
Baskanliga 227 oy farkla SHP Antalya milletvekili Deniz Baykal secildi.
Baykal kurultayda CHP genel sekreteri ve eski CHP Amasya milletvekili
Erol Tuncer ile cekisti. CHP kurultayina misafir olarak katilan SHP
Genel Baskani ve Basbakan Yardimcisi Erdal Inonu herhangi bir
konusma yapmadi. Bir numarali delege olan son Genel Baskan Bulent
Ecevit ise mesaj gonderdi, fakat kurultaya katilmadi.

BENIM YORUMUM:

Yillarca bir parti genel baskani olmak icin elinden geleni ardina koymayan
Deniz Baykal en sonunda muradina erdi. CHP'deyken devamli olarak Ecevit'e
celme atmaya calisan, ve daha sonra ise SHP'de 3 defa SHP'yi kurultaya
goturerek Inonu'yu devirmeyi hesaplayan fakat basarisiz olan Baykal,
politik ihtirasini tatmin etmekte en son careyi CHP simitine yapismakta buldu.

Deniz Baykal ve arkadaslarinin SHP'den kopmasi bir hukumet bunalimini
gundeme getirebilir. Ulkemizin gerek yurt icinde ve gerekse bolgesel olarak
disarda karsi karsiya bulundugu sorunlarin ustesinden gelmesi ancak
guclu bir hukumet ile mumkundur. Yillardan beri ilk defa merkez sag ve
merkez sol partinin kurmus oldugu hukumet ulkemiz icin buyuk bir sans
iken Deniz Baykal'in kendi ihtiraslarini ulke cikarlarinin onunde tutmasi
bence anlamsizdir. Demokrasiye tam gecis icin gerekli reformlarin
yapilmasi icin buyuk bir firsat olan bu koalisyon hukumetinin bozulmasindan
ne Baykal ne de Turk ulusu kazancli cikacaktir. Eger kisa zamanda bir
birlesme saglanmadigi takdirde, DSP ve SHP bolunmesi ile zaten
zayif dusen Sosyal Demokrat hareket CHP'nin devreye girerek bolunmeyi
3e katlamasi ile iktidara gelebilme sansindan iyice uzaklasmis olacaktir.

Eger Baykal ve arkadaslari bir hukumet bunalimina yol acarsa, Sosyal
Demokratlarin 3e bolunmus olmasi ve Ozal'in ANAP`dan Mesut Yilmaz'i
goturme cabalari ile iyice sarsilan ANAP'in durumunu firsat bilen
Demirel'in bir erken secim istemesi surpriz olmaz.

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