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From: ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis)
Subject: Re: Falling Joys - lacking charisma & stage presence?
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:29:42 GMT

In <carol.715394370@ee.uts.EDU.AU> carol@ee.uts.edu.au (Carol Gibson) writes:

>I've seen the Falling Joys plenty of times over the past 4 or 5
>years, and I have never known them to play a bad show. No they don't
>jump around like wankers, they tend to be very understated, even a
>little shy, but they have always been excellent.

>Someone asked if the Joys aren't used to large venues - not true, they've
>played at most of the larger venues in Sydney on numerous occassions. 
>If they played badly in Melbourne it may be that they've been doing too
>much lately, what with yet another release to promote...

>The Falling Joys have certainly never been a band to see when you want
>energy and arrogance, but if you'd like to see one of Australia's most
>consistently high quality bands do their stuff then the Joys are *well*
>worth the effort.....  and anyway, I would've thought Suzi and Pat would
>provide enough visual stimulation for anyone ;-)

Absolutely. I could watch Suzi's forearms playing that nice big Fender
of hers all night. They were in melb a couple of weeks ago. Does anyone
know where they are at the moment?

>	Carol

Shckwish!
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: richard@kurango.cit.gu.edu.au (Stop That Pigeon!!!)
Subject: Re: MMM
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 04:33:11 GMT

dorset@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Dorset) writes:

>MMM is even playing techno nowadays.

DISCO ISN'T DEAD. LONG LIVE DISCO. BLEEEEEAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH.

richard
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From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Nu-Music and unsigned bands
Date: 30 Aug 92 09:43:36 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May) writes:
>|>       their sampler is only a way to get people into their studio

True of course. It's not a community service.

>|>       
>       
>Ta.  Studio 52 has a hard time keeping in business.  Solve the problem?       
>20 bands on each CD = 20 days studio time paid for.  4 compilations per year       
>= 20% of the year booked out automatically!       

Mutual benefit methinks. They aren't exactly cheap, but if any band feels
it's not worth participating, they aren't being forced to. When I went
studio-hunting, 52 was the best deal. I feel that the 52 guys are rather
more committed to unknown bands than other studios and record companies are.

>the bands involved'.  No band on the compilation has had a record deal of any       
>kind shown their way yet.   This isn't necessarily Studio 52's fault, but it       
>certainly isn't their major concern :-)       

The fact that the bands aren't signed isn't their or 52's fault. It's
a sad indictment of the state of the music industry in Australia. Major
record companies hardly sign quality unknown talent. Most of them are
content to release well-known foreign artists rather than promote new
talent from Australia.
>Simply put - selection criteria for the compilation is "well, have you got the $?"       
>        

I wouldn't expect anything else, would you? Perhaps if 52 was a huge corporation
I would expect them to make a little investment themselves, but in their
situation it's just not viable.
>I think the idea could be worked well.....but is also another avenue to
>exploitation.       

Again, no one was forced to sign up! I'd say exploitation occurs most often
when a large company decides to sign an unknown band and squeezes the
contract damn tight.

Paul

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From: gifford@krang.vis.citri.edu.au (Jonathan Gifford)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Female voices are the best!!!
Date: 25 Aug 92 03:57:40 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

c9106234@cc.newcastle.edu.au (STRICTLY DANCING) writes:

>I think that female's have the most talented and enjoyable voices to
>listen to ..... i would much prefer to hear mariah carey over jimmy 
>barnes, madonna over michael jackson, etc...........

I don't know about hearing them, but I'm sure there's a market for the
video of these two events...

>I'd like to know if anyone agrees/disagrees with my thought that female
>singers are better than male singers in terms of listening enjoyment..

Of course this is just an off the cuff comment but...

	What bullshit!

It reminds me of a particularly puerile "argument" that the female
body is "more beautiful" than the male.

>....They seem to be so much more expressive and promote more emotion than
>male-produced vocals.........

Well, I guess in a consumer society everyone has to promote something
if they are going to become famous for their fifteen minutes, but I
wasn't ware that anyone had marketed "emotion" yet. Maybe it's some
kind of pheremone based perfume...

>Also i'd like to know who people consider the five best female voices
>in the worlds..............
>	Here are mine........

>		1. mariah carey
>		2. sabrina johnston
>		3. madonna
>		4. lisa stansfield
>		5. kylie minogue          

>Tell me whether you agree or not...........

Not! Again, just off the top of my head, what about...

Maureen Tucker, Nico, Divine, Dame Edna, Laurie Anderson, Joni
Mitchell, Bessiee Smith, Dame Kiri Te Kaniwa, Melissa from E-Street,
Hazel Hawke, Nancy Reagan, Marilyn Monroe, Janis Joplin, The woman
from the Seekers, Aretha Franklin, Diana Ross, Roberta Flack, The
other two Supremes, Nina Hagen, Kate Bush, Sandy Denny, Matti Pryor,
Debbi Harry, Princess Stephanie, Kerry Cooper, Grace Jones, Dame
Nellie Melba, Dame Joan Sullivan, and, of course, Maureen Tucker.

Since comparisons are odious, I'll leave the ordering up to you...

Happy listening

jon
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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: Rare Bughouse find?
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 00:07:13 GMT


In article <6204@otc.otca.oz>, brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:
|> Whilst looking through the collection of 45's at Ashwoods second hand store in
|> lower Pitt St, I found an original pressing of Bughouse's first single "V for
|> Vendetta".
|> 
|> It must be an original pressing, because the labels on the 45 are plain yellow
|> with "A" and "B" in very large print on the corresponding label, with
[.descript deleted..]

Congratulations on buying an excellent record.  Mine must be a later pressing
as the sleeve is a 'proper' one, printed  (with lots of bugs over it)

|> than that?  How many of these would have been made?  Is someone going to offer
|> me $500 for it? :-)

Probably 500 were made as that seems to have always been the minimum.  If it's
a collectors item, I wouldn't expect more than $10 - unless they go Frente like
in popularity!

brian
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From: summer@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Summerfield)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Sampled "Art" (was Re: MMM)
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:52:47 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) writes:

>	I think it is time for the elistist instrumental bullshit
>to end.  The computer/sampler is an instrument.  No more or less
>valid in its own right than any other.

I would liken the creation of new works from sampled audio to a kind
of musical collage.

Nowadays, collage is considered a valid artform, however you will no
doubt have noticed that this has *not* resulted in the art galleries
of the world becoming filled with any old rubbish stuck together by
any old talentless dweeb who can handle a pair of scissors and a 
gluestick!

It's a shame the same can't be said for the airwaves -- if one didn't
have to sift through the drivel, it might be worth seeking out the
real artists.

Mark.
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From: pmccann@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Paul McCann)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: JJJ v MMM and the dangers of jumping to conclusions
Date: 2 Sep 92 05:02:40 GMT
Organization: Adelaide University.
In-reply-to: cde@mulka's message of 31 Aug 92 02:46:41 GMT

In article <3041@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) writes:

>   Q. Why do MMM listens have phenominally witty MMM rocks type stickers
>	   on their cars?

>   A.So they can park in handicap spots without getting a ticket.

>	   Is that tasteless?
>	   I am sorry!
	
No, not tasteless, more like stupidly offensive in the way it conflates
physical and (implied) mental disabilities. 

I can't but agree with those who have been lamenting the repetitive
nature of the generic rock stations, but if I hear "Galileo" by the
Indigo Girls or "Don't Sweat the Technique" by Eric B and Rakim on
JJJ during the half hour or so that I listen to radio in the mornings
then that criticism begins to apply here too. Both inoffensive enough
songs the first, second or even third time, but *every* morning?
--
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grows the saving power. (H\"olderlin)
From: geoff@alsvid.une.edu.au (Geoff Hill)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Nu-Music and unsigned bands
Date: 25 Aug 92 05:06:39 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers
X-Xxdate: Tue, 25 Aug 92 15:07:20 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7

>Subject: Re: Nu-Music and unsigned bands

I notice this thread seems dedicated to giving Studio 52 a hard time (for
whatever reason). Just to change the subject a little, why has no-one
mentioned AUSMUSIC and their FRESHTRACKS series of compilations. To be
honest I'm not sure how their system works but from what I've heard, it
works a little like this;
1.You write and record some original material as a demo.
2. You send your demo to AUSMUSIC
3. They have some way of determining which are the BEST demos they
receive.
4. If you're lucky enough to be included your music gets onto the
FRESHTRACKS CD and is distributed to Public Radio stations , record
companies and who knows where else.

I assume there must be something in it for AUSMUSIC (nuthin's free is it)
perhaps Brian could expand/correct me. But it appears to be another
avenue of getting your music to the masses.

Cheers,
PS. You can always send your demos to: 
2NCR - FM (92.9) 
P.O. Box 5123 
East Lismore, 2480

Mention your e-mail address and you'll get quick feedback as to when it
was/will be played.
I'm a humble presenter of an indie music program:- "No Commercial
Potential" the name was taken from a book about Frank Zappa and we can
all guess how much money Frank may have made ;)
From: u882517@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Blos!)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Southern Sons CD
Date: 3 Sep 92 11:53:34 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.

s882413@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Glen Robert Seymon) writes:


> Does anyone know when Southern Sons new CD is supposed to be in the
>stored. I've asked at Brashs etc and the reps supposedly don't know
>when it is being released.


	Sounds like a conspiracy to me Glen...anyone else know of music
stores *deliberately* stomping on wondrous John Farnham soundalikes?

PS: Listen to some Ride, for God's sake.
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER)
Subject: Re: MMM
Organization: Dept. Engineering Computer Resources, Melbourne Uni.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:33:20 GMT

In article <3021@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) writes:
>
>
>
>	Just while we're having a sensible discussion on radio:

*grin*


>
>	How can that same guy always be DJing MMM (and any other 
>successful commercial station) everytime I have the misfortune of
>pausing the dail near it.
>	There is no way I'm gunna beleive that there are even two
>guys - little loan a swag of them that have the same offensivley
>deep and moronic a voice.  Well even if you are willing to beleive
>that is possible - how could you possibly explain all these people
>having an equally apalling sense of humour!

yeah, they are consistant,  exept for big Billy on Sunday nights :)

But the D-gen were funny ... 


>
>					Colin


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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER)
Subject: Re: Freddy Mercury!?!?!
Organization: Dept. Engineering Computer Resources, Melbourne Uni.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:44:34 GMT

In article <715110757.F00001@cloud.pub.uu.oz.au> hamish@cloud.pub.uu.oz.au (Hamish Moffatt) writes:
>
>You can have my XT for a grand.. fair deal? :-)

$500 is my last offer :)


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 Dochoel Dienve                           carl@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au
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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: pprice@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Paul Price)
Subject: Re: "Dirty" Queenslanders
Keywords: silly silly silly
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 21:24:06 GMT

brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May) writes:


>Well - those moralistic guardians of righteousness have been at it again!

>Queensland authorities have banned the 'dirty' photo inside their current
>album's CD tray.  They say 'if that photo was in a magazine, it would be 
>censored' (is that true - queenslanders?)

>All they'll be allowing are those with blank page behind the back cover.

>Remember what happens to banned music (Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Negativland
>Ice T, (anyhting in the UK with 'fuck') .......)

>Watch those Queenslanders scrabble for copies of the album.... :)

>(I'm sure censorship bodies are really just an extension of marketing arms
>for film/record/publishing companies!)

>brian
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We should watch out for the day they rin these pictures out in braille,

so I can see them too....as I am blind.

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From: marks@iris.mincom.oz.au (Mark Stavar)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: WANTED: Song title and Artist of a song.
Date: 24 Aug 92 23:11:47 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Mincom, Brisbane, Australia
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Stephen Quan (quan@sol.surv.utas.edu.au) wrote:
: I just heard a song on the radio this morning and I was interested in it.
: All I can remember is part of the melody so if you can tell me what the
: song title or its artist, I will appreciate it very much!
: 
: It goes something like this ...
: 
:   "... when you leave, could you please take my heart too?..."
: 
This sounds like the song by Mr. Big.  They had another song out recently
with a title something like *I'm the One*.  The lead singer has quite a
good voice, somewhat reminicent of Lou Gramm (sp?) of Foreigner fame.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Stavar
Mincom
Juliette St
Brisbane Q Aust

Email:	marks@jove.mincom.oz.au
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From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: MMM
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:30:47 GMT
Distribution: aus
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:
:	(buckets o' stuff deleted) 
: 
: things to have a melody to a beat, anyday. That's why I'd rather listen
: to Glenn Miller than techno. So what's wrong with that? Go on, make fun
: of that.
:

	I just can't resist the challenge

	I've heard of Glen Miller - but who the hell is techno?

	I can't help thinking they'd be a good band (going on
what you've said).

 
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy)
Subject: Re: MMM
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Distribution: aus
Date:  2 Sep 92 00:55:48 GMT

>>MMM are a complete and utter JOKE!

A sample MMM flame war:

Person one: MMM play the same stuff over and over and over and over. Their DJs 
	are, without exception, imbecilic refugees from JJJ or country stations.
	The humour is infantile. More importantly, they don't play anything new.
	They still play the same classic rock/music with guitars they played 
	when I was twelve. I thought it was cool then.

Person two: At least they don't play dance music.

Person one: And they never play anything "new-sounding." It took roughly four 
	years for MMM to add anything with a beat. They're so conservative 
	they waited eight months after release before playing "Wicked Game," 
	cause Chris's voice is higher than usual! This was, btw, four months
	after JJJ had flogged it to death.

Person two: At least they don't play dance music.

>perhaps,  but those of us who like Rock, as opposed to sampled copies
>find it often quite satisfactory.

Thanks Carl-Ivan. You fulfill my hope in human simplicity.

>>No wonder I prefer JJJ.

>ahh, JJJ, radio for arts students and the imbecellic..  :)

Thats 2SER to you.

>I just so love those pseudo-original bands (PWEI etc) that 
>seems to be JJJ's main fare...  calling that drivel "from the 90's
>is more dishonest than MMM ....

>what the hell, I like a good flame war ...  :)

"Why do I do this stuff, Veronica?"

"Because you're an idiot, Dad."

--- G M Heinrich  ( leroy@socs.uts.edu.au )
Riffs! Yeah! Can you dig it?
Newsgroups: aus.politics
From: u734120@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (John Lamp)
Subject: Re: If what I saw was true....
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 07:40:26 GMT

brian@coombs.anu.edu.au (Brian) writes:

>       ....on last Monday night's 4-Corners prorgam "From Keynes to Choas"
>then all the arguments which go on here periodically about which economic
>system is bettter are all basically bullshit becuase the economists in
>truth don't know their arse's from their elbows.  In addition if nothing
>else that program pointed the real danger of letting someone like Hewson in
>control of our government.  Any other comments from anybody?

All I want are a few bytes to play with - these turkeys want our lives and
countries.

BTW What have you got with two economists up to their necks in concrete?

A lack of concrete!

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From: dyfl@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Daniel Y Lam)
Subject: Re: Why pick on the kids? Let's get the fat cats!
Keywords: overpaid salary-cap wages tax complexity
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:15:15 GMT

farrell@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (John Farrell) writes:

>  Stupid phrase. Education is a responsibility, not a right.

Now that we're at it, I'll throw in mine:

Free education?  Sure, education should be as free as religion.

--
	Daniel Lam
	Melbourne, Australia

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From: pod@suite.sw.oz.au (Paul O'Donnell)
Newsgroups: aus.politics
Subject: Re: The big currency lie
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:35:47 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd

In <6312@otc.otca.oz> brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:

>Am I the only person who absolutely *cringes* each time the 5 second news
>grab on TV relates the value of A$1 to US$?

No.

>What is this obsession with the value of the US$?  It is not an inviolate
>measure of currency strength and the USA is not one of our biggest trading
>partners.  To me this insidious comparison is not only close to deceitful and
>misleading, but almost irrelevant.  It is an expression of cultural cringe.
>We measure our success in US$.

>To me, the only measure of importance is the Trade Weighted Index, which
>measures the value of our currency in relation to our trading partners'
>currencies in weighted proportion to the size of our trade with them.  This
>is actually a *meaningful* measure.

Absolutely (This is one thing on which Chris and I actually agree).  I
find it amusing when the news says something like - "The $US suffered
heavy falls against the Deutchmark|Yen.  Consequently the $A fell n cents
against the $US".

Paul
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