From: gkatz@csws14.ic.sunysb.edu (Gerald W Katz)
Newsgroups: rec.games.board.ce
Subject: Re: Sniveler
Date: 8 Nov 92 02:31:04 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

In article <MICHELE.92Nov7023505@apex.yorku.ca> michele@apex.yorku.ca (Michele Marques) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.162131.23495@Princeton.EDU> amlogan@room.Princeton.EDU (Adam Meredith Logan) writes:
>
>   Suppose that Sniveler whines about having the most tokens in the warp in a
>   game with Zombie.  Is there any way (short of Cosmic Zapping Zombie) to 
>   prevent Sniveler from removing all its tokens from the warp?  Zombie's 
>   tokens cannot go to the warp.
>
>Well, if this isn't a two-player game, and the other player isn't
>insect (and only involved in challenges against zombie), then there is
>at least one other player losing tokens to the warp.  Sniveler can
>only whine if he has the *most* tokens in the warp -- he can't whine
>that he doesn't have the least.
>
>		-- Michele
>

Actually, I say say Zombie, along with other players, would
all agree to put their tokens into the warp to equal the number
of tokens as Sniveler.  However, as Zombie, he just doesn't go
to the warp.

For a wrap up on Wrack, the Mayfair Wrack specifically says
that if someone refuses Wrack's deal and thus win the challenge,
his allies do get the base or defensive rewards as appropiate.

On an unrelated note, I was reading some Eon powers and noticed
something strange about Demon.  When Demon possesses the offensive
player, the power card says that the orignal offensive player's
power is no longer in effect.  Now for a hypothetical scenario:

Loser is offensive player.  After allies are declared, Loser
call "upset".  Main players play cards face down.  Demon
now possesses Loser's tokens.  
Question:  Is Loser's "upset" still valid?


I also have another question, relating to a "lien" on
your hand when your opponent plays a Compromise card.
We had no argument, I'm just curious about other people's opinions.

I am Insect.  I have three cards, a Compromise, Attack 10, and
a Cosmic Zap.  The offensive player is Sorcerer and draw my color
in the destiny pile.  He places two tokens in the cone and invites
Zombie as an ally, who stereotypically accepts and allies with
four tokens.  We play challenge cards with the understanding that
as Insect, I am copying Sorcerer.  I play my Compromise card.
As offensive player, Sorcerer has the opportunity to use
his power first.  He declines.  I now have the opportunity to use
the power, and I do so.  We switch cards and reveal them.  Naturally
Sorcerer has my Compromise Card.  It turns out he played an
Attack 14.  I win the challenge.  Sorcerer now has a lien on my
hand to take two consolation cards.  
Now, at this time, I played my Cosmic Zap on Zombie so that his
tokens would go to the warp as a losing ally.  Sorecerer now
only gets my Attack 10 for consolation.
Question: Is the playing of the Cosmic Zap legal even though
it was played while there was a lien on my hand yet it was
the only time I could play the Zap on Zombie?

Again, everyone accepted that I was allowed.  I just want to
know what others think.

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					gkatz