HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Russian privatization program to begin in October
Keywords: Russia economic reform
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:05:20 GMT


	MOSCOW (UPI) -- Russian President Boris Yeltsin announced Wednesday
that the next stage in his economic reforms will begin in October when
every citizen is given a privatization voucher worth 10,000 rubles
($67).
	Under the program, the vouchers can be used to purchase shares in
state enterprises that Yeltsin said were valued at 1.4 trillion rubles
(just under $1 billion). The vouchers can also be sold for cash.
	``We want every individual to have more opportunities for displaying
initiative, earning more and raising the quality of his or her life,''
Yeltsin said in a televised address to mark the first anniversary of
last year's failed coup. ``We need millions of proprietors and not just
a few millionaires.''
	Yeltsin did not give exact details of the privatization program, but
he did say natural resources like oil and gas would be excluded as well
as enterprises connected with national defense.
	Russians will be able to buy a share in state enterprises privatized
across the country and share the risk and rewards of operating that
business, Yeltsin said. The vouchers may also be deposited with banks
that would form mutual funds to invest in various enterprises.
	``The privatization vouchers will secure the right of each citizen to
own a share of the former state property and enable practically everyone
to take part in reforms,'' Yeltsin said.
	In his speech, Yeltsin also announced that wages for workers in
education, health and culture would be increased by 150 percent, and
that he was instituting new subsidies for the disabled and students to
help ease the transition to a market economy.
	``Over the past six months, Russia received its primary education in
market relations,'' Yeltsin said. ``Some people said we plunged into the
stream before learning to swim, but we have not choked and we have not
drowned.
	``Despite shortfalls and errors we are moving steadily forward, step
by step, with every passing week and every passing day toward a normal
life.''


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From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: IRAN in FARSI = IRAQ in ARABIC ???
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:38:53 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com
Followup-To: soc.culture.iranian

alireza@eng.umd.edu (Alireza Karimzadeh-Rad) writes:

>Iran has been in existance for around 2500 years, Iraq is a 20th
>century British creation, after WWI and the fall of the Ottoman Empire
>to be exact.

What was Iran called during those years, Iran or Faaras or .. ? Also,
which parts of neighboring countries WERE under Iranian rule for most of it's
history and which parts of current Iran were NOT under Iranian rule for most
of it's history. In other words, which group of people may culturally called
Iranians inspite of the vagaries of 20th century boundaries?

Sumitro
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From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Baghdad is an Iranian city !!!
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:13:03 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Originator: sehari@vincent1.iastate.edu


---

I just red this discussion about Baghdad.  It makes sense that Baghdad has
a Persian root and comes from Bagh-Dad meaning garden of justice. That is:

Bagh = Garden
Dad  = Justice

Moreover, I believe the old style nationalism is destructive for the welfare
of a nation.  That is, I believe if more nations get together and put their
resources together, they can achieve their goals, better serve the people, 
advance the life standard of the people, and create more prosperity for the 
people much efficiently.  However, if they waste their resources to fight 
each other, they would only hurt each other.

Further more, I believe Iran was the first "United States of Middle East",
or as a mater of fact it was the first "United States" of any kind in the
history of the world.  Isn't it Ironic that Americans, took this Iranian
idea and reintroduce it to the world without any mention of our name? 
Aren't they plagiarising?! This is not the only instance that they done so.
Another example is the charge card, those of you remember that in olden days
all the grocery stores had a book, that customer used to buy things and the
grocer used to write it in his book and by the end of the month, when most
people got paid, they used to go to grocer and pay him the charges. -:)
Isn't our Bazaar, has been copied under the name "Shopping mall"? -:)  Is
not the duality that western people use to judge things come from old
Iranian religion of Zartoshtians, " Ahora Mazda, and Ahriman".  The use of
candle for religious purposes also have the same origin. I can go on and
on....

                        With highest regards,
                             Babak   Sehari.
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From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: IRAN in FARSI = IRAQ in ARABIC ???
Date: 17 Aug 92 03:36:48 GMT
	<1992Aug16.230814.6737@eng.umd.edu>
Organization: none

In article <1992Aug16.230814.6737@eng.umd.edu> alireza@eng.umd.edu (Alireza Karimzadeh-Rad) writes:

 @I don't know what Iraq is in Arabic , but Iran = Land of the Aryans,
 @and this leads me to believe that the names Iran and Iraq are
 @unrelated, not to mention the fact that Iran is spelled with an "alef"
 @and Iraq, pronounced "Aragh", is spelled with an "ain". Also, while
 @Iran has been in existance for around 2500 years, Iraq is a 20th
 @century British creation, after WWI and the fall of the Ottoman Empire
 @to be exact.

No, No, No! Iran or Persia has existed for far longer than 2500 years.
What is special about 2500 years ago is that that is when the first
Persian empire was formed (which also became the first world empire).
  
 - Farzin
     
  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: cmoussav@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (C. Ognibene-Moussavi)
Subject: Culture and Kids
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:25:14 GMT


>Brad Hernlem writes: 

>It is my observation that often Iranians try too hard to change because
>they apparently believe that this is neccessary or desireable in order
>to live in the U.S. I am strongly opposed to this notion and think that
>it leads only to problems. People cannot change who they are and how are
>they to aquire a different culture than the one that they already know?
>Culture is something deep that is acquired from a lifetime of
>experiences and growth. It is not something that you can learn from
>books or the television or radio. You can observe from the outside but
>without being raised in a culture you cannot fully acquire it. Even
>being raised in the U.S. only exposes you to a particular segment of the
>culture of the society. I think that this problem comes up most
>noticeably when an Iranian couple try to raise children in the U.S. How
>                                                                    --- 
>should they raise their children? With the Iranian culture that they
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>know or with what they presume to be American culture? I say stick with
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>the values that you know. 
>-------------------------

Hi,
  I agree with Brad. Children will pick up "American" culture at school,
etc...  I think it's very important to let them know what their heritage
is all about - they should be proud of where they're from, their language,
etc... My mom's Swiss, yet my father never allowed her to speak Swiss with
us, because he couldn't understand what we were saying. We belonged to the
"Swiss" club, and all the kids were fluent in Swiss except us. I eventually
took German in school, but it's not the same as being taught it at home,
especially since my mom speaks a dialect not taught in schools. I was in
Switzerland last month with my mom and sisters, and her friends teasingly
noted what a shame it was that we couldn't speak very well.  
  My father was first-generation Amerian-Italian. I know he spoke a
Sicilian dialect with his family, because his parents I don't think ever
spoke a word of English, but he never told us one thing about our Italian
heritage, never spoke Italian with us. He really wanted us to be "American," 
but there's times when I really feel like I've missed out.
  You can bet my little boy will read, write and speak Farsi! I'm going to
make sure he knows about that part of his culture. I think it's terrible
to deny someone of that.
                              Carla Moussavi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Fereydoon Farrokh-zaad's Murder
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 22:41:56 GMT

According to Iranian TV programs last he was seen at an Iranian
grocery whenre he indicated that he is expecting two company on the
same day.  Aparently he died almost one day after he was stabbed.
His body discovered almost 3 days after his death.
A 27 year old Iranian man has been arrested for FF's murder.

According to Peyk T.V. (affiliated with IRI) German police has confirmed
that the arrested person has had homosexual relations with FF and used to
live with him for several years.  Peyk also reports that FF had contacted
one of the Iranian consulates and has requested to go back to Iran to
continue his artistic career there.

DIAR, another T.V. program out of L.A., gave two scenarios for FF's death.
This program suspected that the death of FF and Bakhtiar and Rajavi may
be the work of the government of Iraq since all these people had contacts
with Iraq.

MKO, as usual, did not have to wait to condemn IRI for the murder of FF! 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: Rah!
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:55:09 GMT


Pun intended.

Thanks to Mark Towfiq for the very clear and inderstandable examples of the
use of "ra."  I may now be able to hone a few years off of my learning curve.
Kheilly mamnoonam agha.  

Khodanigahdar

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Re: Survey on summaries of Kayhan highlights
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:08:46 GMT

In article <kot.d100g@lab.ntt.jp> farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:
>
>
>So far I have posted a couple of articles in which I summarized
>the highlights of Kayhan Havaii. This should have given people
>a taste of the kind of news it has. I like to continue ONLY IF
>there is sufficient interest out there to justify the effort.
>That is why I am asking people to let me know whether they are
>interested in reading those summaries (that is all, you are
>NOT required to believe all of it  :-) ) So if you are
>interested, please post a short message to SCI (so that others
>can see it too) clearly indicating your interest. If you are
>not interested, please do not post a reply at all (negative
>replies will be ignored anyway since those people can simply
>skip to the next article). 
>      
>So, here we go ...
>    
> - Farzin
>   

I am not sure, why my name has appeared on the top of your article.
However, just to let you know, I have never objected to your postings
from KH. So We'll be glad to hear from you and your postings from KH.

So go on....


Best regard
Amir


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From: marand@eagle.wpd.sgi.com (Najmeh Marand)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Women's track and field in Iran
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:39:44 GMT
Organization: System Software Technology Center, Silicon Graphics

In article <1992Aug20.204221.2414@EE.Stanford.EDU>,
mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
> 
> If you wonder about the state of women atheletes in Iran, here is
> something I found interesting.
>
>   ... [stuff deleted] ... 
> 
> I should add that this meet was held in anstadium, and over
> 100 atheletes competed.
> 

Indeed interesting!  Do you (or someone) know what kind of outfits
the women athletes (or specifically those in track & field) wear?  
i.e.   do they run / jump in "MAnto and roosari" :-) (or whatever kind 
of islamic outfits)??  or (hopefully) wear whatever is comfortable 
and disallow men spectators?

Najmeh

hmmm...  I just noticed that you mentioned "*outdoor*".  That makes
it harder to have the women away from any nAmahram's (men's) eyes!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Subject: Farzin and SPAIN
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:24:21 GMT

>50 million tourists each year?! Maybe. I wonder how quickly that would
>destroy infrastructure in Spain.
 
Spain has had this much tourism more than a decade and they have used
the income to build an infrastructure which supports both the tourism
industry and other industrial grounds.    

>I wonder how quickly AIDS is spreading in Spain. Do you have numbers on
>that too?
   
> - Farzin
  
You need to fresh up your nonIEEE knowledge before talking too
much. For your information Iran has between 2 to 4 million junkies.
The reason that Hepatite B and AIDS are not spreading there so fast 
is because Heroin is too cheap and accessible. This make sniffing
much cheaper than intravenous injection, by the way you do not need
expensive needles for that!
                             Kambiz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ali@utrcv1 (ALI BABA)
Subject: Re: Azad University
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:20:19 GMT

In article <BszB4p.4tL@acsu.buffalo.edu>, bashir@acsu.buffalo.edu (Noushin Bashir) writes...
>>Then class becomes like a dukkaan-baghghaali. You pay money for a service.
>>and the instructor becomes more like a dureh-gard going from one city
>>and school to another to repeat the same thing.
>
>Hi Ala,
>
>As I remember, people who go to Azad university don't get an official
>degree. Would you know if that is still the case?
>
>And would you know how much the cuurent tutions are?
>
>My uncle who is teaching in Iranian universities (I say universities,
>because he is always traveling from one part of the country to
>another to teach classes) says that daaneshgaah-e aazaad teachers are
>highly paid, and the quality of education is pretty good there. Yes,
>it's always the rich who gets the best :-( (yeh, heck with the
>Mostazaefeen [BTW this gheshr includes karmandaan-e dolat]).
>
>                                               Just curious,
>                                               Noushin
>
>
>ps. My uncle tells his students to either leave the country or go kill
>themselves. Don't ask me why, I'm already out of that Mehnatkadeh!
>
>
>--
>A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a
>simple system that worked... A complex system designed from scratch never
>works and cannot be patched up to make it work. You have to start over,
>beginning with a working simple system.                -J. Gall

Dear Noushine;
Congratulation; It seems like ignorance is inherited in your family
Are you against the rich or you are sorry that you are not one. Is there
anywhere in the world that the poor get everything; If there is let me know
because I want to move there. Iran Problem is not the regime; It's the
people like you and I any your uncle.

PS. Did you ever wonder why your uncle doesn't take his own good advice?
Maybe he is to busy bleeding mostazefeen and karmandan-e dolat

sincerely yours;

Ali Eslami
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 *  of convenience; Live true and resist all wrong, but learn  *
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Internet = Ali@utrc.utc.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.afghanistan
From: alireza@eng.umd.edu (Alireza Karimzadeh-Rad)
Subject: Re: IRAN in FARSI = IRAQ in ARABIC ???
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 23:08:14 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Aug15.213850.29545@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> lhermi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi) writes:
>
>I read in some history book entitled " Ajjaib al-makdur fi nawaib taymur" 
>by a Turkish writter ( the book is about tamerlane) that the word 
>Iran is the Farsi equivalent of the word Iraq in arabic ? any enlightment ??
>Iraq means in arabic either the root (Irq) or the nectar of Palm trees ( Araq).
>Also, history books talk about iraq arabi and iraq ajjami, and may be some
>iranian can shed light on this .
>
>Ba Ihtiram, Tashakur'am
>
>DAR BILAD ARABSTAN :Lotfi 
>


I don't know what Iraq is in Arabic , but Iran = Land of the Aryans,
and this leads me to believe that the names Iran and Iraq are
unrelated, not to mention the fact that Iran is spelled with an "alef"
and Iraq, pronounced "Aragh", is spelled with an "ain". Also, while
Iran has been in existance for around 2500 years, Iraq is a 20th
century British creation, after WWI and the fall of the Ottoman Empire
to be exact.

I hope this has helped.


Payandeh Baad Iran
Alireza
From: tarokh@server.uwindsor.ca (TAROKH VAHID             )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: When Was Your First Time?
Summary: Another Question
Date: 22 Aug 1992 18:24:22 GMT

In article <jg_nx1g.bavafa@netcom.com>, bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
> And here comes the classic question I have always wanted to ask the netters
> at sci.  When was the first time you subscribed to soc.culture.iranian
> newsgroup, and how did you learn about it?  Ok, that was two questions. :-)
 >Hooshyar F. Naraghi

Let me ask another question. How many hours an average netter spends on  
this newsgroup. Any idea?

Thank You

Vahid

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: pdm@pour.b15.ingr.com (new user)
Subject: Tech News Reporter Needed For This Net
Reply-To: mhr@pour.b15.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, Alabama
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:04:29 GMT


	Slalam bar Hamvatanan:


	I have noticed that there are few good citizens who post the
	news happening in Iran and around Iran.  I was wondering if
    	there is anybody who is interested in posting technological
	news about Iran.  These news could include inormations about
	our computer software and hardware development, mechanical
	engineering and heavy industry development, petro chemical
	development and other light industrial developments.  I would
	urge Mr. Sehari and Mr. Taghavi to continue their golden efforts
	to bring to us the news happening there.  Again thanks for
	input regarding this matter.

						M. Rahmatipour
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From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: Re: Sharia law
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:33:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.113930.725@ulrik.uio.no> kambizm@fidibus.uio.no writes:

>
>>The above information is wrong. The victim's family has one the following
>>choices:
>>1) kill the killer
>>2) one degree forgiveness: accept an amount of money instead of killing.
>>3) forgive totally and just let the killer go!
>>The decision is up to the family of the victim. Now if the killer is a 
>>professional killer who threatens the security of the community, he is 
>>"mofsed fel-arz" and he will be executed.(I am not sure, he might even 
>>have to pay the victims' family too, if they claim!).
>>This seems fair to me. DO YOU HAVE A BETTER SUGGESTION?
> 
>>Seyyed
>
>
>Does this mean that the killer who has got money has an option
>or two more than the one who has not got money?!!
>
>                                    Kambiz


Yes, this is exactly what it implies! Well, this is the way life is, 
unless you are pro-communism. Money also buys food and medicine, so
money buys life! Let's look at it another way: A killer who has money can buy
advanced and sophisticated weapons and can do a better job, without getting
caught. On the contrary, a killer who has not enough money, must be satisfied
with a cheap knife, and he will probably get caught. Now don't tell me that
this is not just and the government should give financial aid to poor killers
so that they can compete with rich killers!!!
Mr. Kambiz !
Instead of sympathizing with murderers, think about millions of hungry children
around the world who are starving and westerners who are spending money for
"slim fast". Think about the "human right" claim of these westerners.
Maybe, just maybe, you wake up a little bit.

Seyyed.
From: 8809787l@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re:NAKHSHAB
Date: 16 Aug 92 15:26:02 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia

Salam Dostan

I was woundering if any one at SCI knows anything about an IRANIAN
Astrologer/Astronomer named NAKHSHAB in medival times. I would appreciate any
response on this subject. Thank you very much.

Peyam Pourbeik
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam)
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
Organization: Land Mobile Products Sector, Motorola INC.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:52:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.220622.396@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
>In article <920816202020.216010fd@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU> SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli) writes:
>
>>  A degree is a degree is a degree, regardless the University attended.
>
>Except one BOUGHT from an unknown community college in the US.
            ^^^^^
	Nobody buys any degrees in the US.  Degrees, even the ones from
your so-called unknown community colleges, are EARNED.

	Many people in the US do attend community colleges for 2 years
before they transfer to 4 year universities. 

--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: lucywall@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: ASEAN/EC technology agreements?
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:18:09 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin


Does anyone know of an agreement between ASEAN and the European Community
for funding joint scientific and technology projects? I recently read an
article which referred to an ASEAN/EC Scientific and Technology Programme
which helped fund some student exchange between Singapore and Ireland.

Further information would be much appreciated.

Thanking you in anticipation.

IW

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