From: amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: men's spirituality (was Re: New Pagans and Reading)
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:56:38 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Austin

ymir@eagles.uucp (Ymir Thunarsson) writes:

> If anyone seems to be the one not well schooled or read it is
>yourself. Your almost mindless and rambling attack is uncalled for, as
>well as, shows those more tolerant of the failings of others just the
>kind of vindictive creature that you are. With some of your writings I
>had grown to be amused and at times sympathetic with your intended
>message. Hulda, I must admit has a tendency toward blunt speech..but
>not to the point of making inane and vulgar remarks for the world to
>see as you have done in attacking her. If your ARE so well read
>present some facts of your own instead of throwing out "trash"
>language intended not to heal, teach or inform but only to hurt. What
>Hulda said may have injured your pride and hurt your feelings...but
>she also does not live by the Wiccan Rede as you profess to do. If you
>truly believe "...And It Harm None..." you have violated this trust in
>a very "common" and mean spirited manner. I hope as you read your own
>missive you will see the hate implied there, as well as, your constant
>"typos" (or do you just not know how to spell) and try to temper your
>own zeal with a little common sense and maturity.
>
>Whether Hulda was right or wrong in her posting is not at issue here.
>That is for later discussion to determine. What is at issue is your
>"own" lack of class and good common sense. I do not wish to *FLAME*
>you but you have brought this reprimand upon yourself.

You pompous ass.  How dare you come on here and speak to someone in
such a patronizing manner?  And who says that you get to decide that
Hulda was merely being blunt, while Ailsa was being offensive?  How
nice that you do not wish to flame anyone, but that the Gods put it to
you to deliver this reprimand that Ailsa brought upon herself.  Just
who the hell do you think you are?  Whoever you are, I'm not too sure
it's someone who should be throwing around judgements about "lack of
class and good common sense."

>Also, for your information, I am not anti-wiccan and neither is Hulda
>if the truth be known. Her opinions on certain aspects of wicca (esp.
>Dianic) are formed from the personal experiences she has had within
>these circles. Some of them I have first hand knowledge of since I
>would occassionally be a visiting "Lord" to her former coven's
>circles. Try to understand where some of these "feelings" come from
>before you begin to run off at the mouth. 

And please tell me how Hulda's opinions, formed from her personal
experiences, are more valid than Ailsa's, formed from *her* personal
experiences?  You are asking someone to do something that you are
yourself neglecting to do.  A great outpouring of common sense
there...

>Now that I have compleated my soapbox...Try not to think of Hulda or
>myself as an enemy. Think of us instead of people that belive
>differently than you do and say so.  There is no need for a war of
>words. I would much prefer to exchange information about each others
>belief on a more friendly and constructive basis. I hope you will see
>things the same way. If not...you have to live with that decision!
>BLESSED BE AND BE POSITIVE!

How do you expect to achieve a friendly rapport with people if you are
patronizing and judgemental?  Do you feel that is your mission here,
to point out the error of their ways for them, while maintaining an
attitude that might better suit the more sanctimonious members of a
certain monotheistic religion in which many of us were reared?  At the
risk of drawing your righteous wrath at my words intended to hurt and
not heal, bullshit.

By the way, there's something I must mention in response to your snipe
at Ailsa about her typos being either a product of her rash reaction
or her lack of ability to spell.  You have quite a few typos in your
post as well.  The fact that you present yourself as an example of
calm and considered dialogue leads me to the conclusion that *you*
must not be able to spell.

Just thought I'd mention it, since it seems so important to you.

>                           Wassail!
>                           Ymir Thunarsson
>                           Odhinnsgodhi(High Priest) and Lore Keeper
>                           EAGLES REACHES

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