From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re:  What is  H a m a s  ??
Date: 1 Jan 1993 14:56:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
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Tamer AbdelJawad writes:

the thing about your 'ad homenim' is not clear to me. don't know
what your talking about.  put it in english.

>I cannot quote you that "kidnapping your enemy and killing him is wrong"
>any more than I can quote you that killing an innocent person *with* *a*
>*shotgun* is wrong.  The Quran tells us that murder is wrong, and that is
>exactly what I'm accusing Hamas (or at least those members who committed
>the killing) of: murder.

If you cannot quote it? you don't have islamic evidence.  If the Quran
tells us this kind of  murder is wrong..  Tell me where..  Otherwise, you're
a  l i e r and don't know what you're talking about.

Here is my proof:
If you got enough of the ones in AlBaqarah, here is a new one:

Altawbah
{
5. So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the
unbeleivers wherever you find them, and take them captives and
besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if
they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their
way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
}
If these are instructions were given to muslims at the time of
the prophet, can't we see if they were not islamic, quran would
have not said them?

>It should be clear that we are all expressing opinions.  If you think that
>including quotes from the Quran in your postings makes your postings *the*
>truth, then you are, to say the least, naive.  For example, if I am writing
>an article on diabetes which prescribes honey as a cure, and I quote from
>El Na'hl (68-69), then my post is *still* wrong.  Context and interpretation
>matter.

First the verse about Na'hl is irrelevant.  it says "wa fieh shfaaon linas."
If somebody has diabetes, honey is not the cure for him.  Honey is
good for some other diseases.  If you know arabic language good enough,
and it seems you don't, "fieh shafaaon" is totally different from
"fieh kul shfaa" or "fieh Al shfaa".  "fieh shfaa" menas only for some
but not for all.  Understand!  Don't make fun of quran by giving stupid
examples like this.  So mr. gentlmen, if you don't understand what the
quote says and you misquote it, it doesn't show what you say is true
rather it shows what you say is foolish.

Second opinions are fine as long you don't say it is islamic views.  If it is
your owns or the un's or whatever, it is your business.  if you say it is
islamic, support it.

>I claim that what I say does not conflict with Islam.  The burden of
>the proof is therefore on you. 

see the above verse and many others quoted in previous posts.
and see what islam instructs to do.

> Whenever I claim that Islam *instructs*
>us to do something, I will provide the references.

like the references you provided about murder.  sometimes you
say you can't provide, and here you say you will provdie.

>Don't you *acknowledge* that you have a few weeks' holiday from classes 
>and *celebrate* the fact?  Or do you hang out in empty classrooms, 
>lamenting the absence of your professors and fellow students?

If christams and newyear just happen to be in school break, this
doesn't mean i *celebrate* them. 

>Tamer Abdelgawad
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