HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts...
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:03:39 GMT

In article <Oct.10.09.50.35.1992.22838@pilot.njin.net> gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky) writes:
>valentine - here i disagree with you.
>
>i think cone is the third best pitcher in baseball (behind clemens and
> maddux), among starters.  i feel he is more overpowering than glavine
> or smoltz, despite their having obviously better e.r.a.'s over the
> last 2 years, i believe.

That good?  Was the defense behind him especially bad in New York?
And nobody else slips in there?  Not Mussina, Guzman, McDowell, or
anybody?  Cone is certainly overpowering, but his control is far from
top-notch, and his H/IP ratio isn't as good as somebody like Guzman,
Ryan, or Randy Johnson.  He is also easy to steal against.

But I have him at $9 in rotisserie next year (if he stays in the AL),
and I'm certainly not selling him cheap! :-)

> i don't think there's any question i'd
> rather have cone go 1,4,7 than morriss...

Well, I can't really argue with this one. ;-)

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Make outs, not walks!					tedward@cs.cornell.edu
Clemens four Cy Young!
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: NLCS Game #5 at 9:41
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 16:27:29 GMT

In article <7487@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes:

>Once again we see that a WALK is definitely not as vaulable as a HIT.

Of course not!

What's your point, Paul?  No one here ever claimed that a walk is as valuable
as a hit.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Amit Likhyani)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: In Defence of Fair-Weather Fans
Date: 14 Oct 92 04:36:07 GMT
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 12-Oct-92 In Defence of
Fair-Weather .. by The Econoclast@uwovax.uw 
> Be honest now. When your team is winning, how much channel hopping do
> you do? Heck, even during commercials, I'm reluctant to switch to another
> channel since I like to see my team win. 
>  
> But when my team is losing, like most other so-called fans, I begin to wonder
> what else is on tv. I begin to browse through mail-order catalogues. I give


That is truly pitiful.  Guess what?  I told my roomate before game 6 of
the NLCS that if the Pirates got up by 7 runs I would leave the game and
go to
the gym.  I was off after the second inning.  I got back for the end of the
game though.

I actually watched the Pirates game against the Cubs which Kevin Young
started at third base.  That is the only game I saw after they clinched.
 When they were bad, I would pay *more* attention to the box scores and
their young players because I wanted to see them get better.

I bet you are a Toronto Blue Jays fan - fair weathered and clueless.  Go
read your stupid mail order catalog.
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From: doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller)
Subject: Re: Bonds in Game 4: The Last Straw
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:44:00 GMT

In article <keqntFK00WBKM5JAlK@andrew.cmu.edu>, James Francis Thomas <jt2t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes...
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 11-Oct-92 Bonds in Game 4: 
>The Last .. by Jason Abner Miller@jhuvm 
>>         Judging from some of the reactions I've seen posted here during the
>> NLCS, at least one person is going to post today and say that Barry Bonds'
>> two walks in last night's Braves victory proved without a doubt that he 
>> hasn't been choking in this series.  I'd just like to remind everyone that
>> Smoltz was obviously pitching around him in those at-bats, and those walks
>> do not represent a "good batting eye" or "getting on base for the team".
> 
>Obviously, Atlanta must not think Barry is choking.  Pitching around a
>guy who is supposedly "choking" is obviously a good strategy.  Gee, now
>why didn't I think of that one before.

	I did NOT mean to imply that Atlanta thought he was choking when I
posted the above.  But I'd STILL rather pitch to Jeff King than Bonds, this
year or next.  That was just common sense.  Even if King is outhitting
Bonds in this series, the talent is still there.
	Obviously, he read my posting, and then went out and learned how to
hit in October weather in Game 5.  Congratulations, Mr. Bonds.  May your
good luck last in Fulton-County this evening.
	NOT!!

							Jason Miller
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From: nittmo@camelot.bradley.edu (Christopher Taylor)
Subject: NLCS Questions
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:38:31 GMT

In response to the person who asked if the NLCS had ever ended in Game 6:

This has happened on 3 occassions:

1) 1985--St. Louis defeated Los Angeles on a Jack Clark home run off
         Tom Niedenfeur
2) 1986--The Mets won a 16-inning thriller against the Astros 7-6.
3) 1990--Cincinnati beat Pittsburgh, with Glenn Braggs making a leaping
         catch to steal a home run that would have put the Pirates ahead.

And now, of course, the ALCS has ended in Game 6 once.

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From: (Gerry Gryschuk)
Subject: Re: Weird day at the ballparks
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:20:25 GMT

From article <m4mpfkb@lynx.unm.edu>, by kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose):
> [stories of 'called' home run shots deleted - referring to Alomar's ALCS Game
>  4 blast]
> 
> Hah! I have you all beat.  Tom Goodwin, center fielder for the ABQ Dukes and
> LA Dodgers, had three HRs in about 1300 at bats for his minor league career.
> 
[stories deleted ...]

Hah! This doesn't even come close to my best call. Just this year the guys and
I are at the bar watching the Jays play Seattle. The Jays are leading
by a bundle. In comes the Ackman, and we all get pumped for the revenge we
expect the Jays to dish out to Acker. The first batter strikes out, the second
batter gets two strikes and then I remember that the Ackmeister pitches his
best when the game is already out of reach.  I relate this to the guys and
sure enough the second batter makes an out.  Now we're all sitting there
disappointed thinking for sure that Acker is going to get the best of the
Jays, but who walks up to the plate, none other than Manuel Lee. My joy is
obvious as I quickly yell out that Manuel is going to take him deep, nobody
believed me, but sure enough over the wall it goes, was that great or what!
--
Gerald Gryschuk            Saskatoon,Saskatchewan = a place with 9 months
gerry@sask.usask.ca           of hockey and 3 months of poor skating.
Go Habs!!!		             (Maldonado is a bum.)
From: doerfler@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Mark T. Doerfler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: I don't understand
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:48:04 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


 (Deleted: My original post questioning why an Oakland runner was not
  allowed to score during game 2 of the ALCS when after stealing third,
  the ball bounced into the dugout as the result of a wild pitch.)

The reply from rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu:
  
>No.  The rule states clearly that if a throw from a pitcher (including
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>a pitch) while the pitcher is in contact with the rubber that gets
>lodged in equipment or sails into dead-ball territory causes the
>ball to be dead and runners are awarded one base from the time of 
>the throw.

What rule is this _clearly_ stated in?

7.05(h) states that "each runner including the batter-runner may, without
liability to be put out, advance one base, if a ball, pitched to the batter,
or thrown by the pitcher from his position on the pitcher's plate to a base
to catch a runner, goes into a stand or a bench, or over or through a field
fence or backstop."

Now the "approved ruling" that follows this statement does clearly state that
if the ball is touched, two bases are awarded "from position of runners at the
time of the pitch or throw" but no such explicit statement is given when
awarding one base.  I can easily agree with the call if such calls have been
made before (as I'm sure they have been), but I disagree with your statement
that the rule is clear.

Rule 7.05(g) does state that if an infielder throws a ball into the bench, the
umpire awards bases from bases occupied at the time of the throw, but two bases
are awarded, not just one.  This is the rule that you note here:

>A similar situation occurs when an infielder throws wild over the
>first-baseman's mitt into the stands.  If it was the first play, then
>all runners are allowed two bases from the time of the pitch, UNLESS
>IN THE OPINION OF THE UMPIRE THE RUNNER HAD ALREADY REACHED FIRST
>BASE AT THE TIME OF THE THROW, in which case the award is two bases
>from the time of the throw.  Note again that the actual time for the 
>ball to become dead is irrelevent.  The only concern is the time of the
>throw.

This rule must be used to give 7.05(h) its "from the time of the throw" meaning,
without explicitly stating it in 7.05(h).  So, I agree with the ruling made by
the umpire as long as this is the way the call would consistently be made.  And
since nobody argued for very long, especially LaRoussa who I would think knows 
the rules to a fault, I'm sure it has been called thus.  I do believe, however,
that 7.05 should make mention that the bases are awarded from the position of
the runners at the time the pitch was made.  Of course, how many rules can be
as explicit as possible without being too long and complex?

The rules quoted are taken from the 1990 edition of the official baseball
rules, published by The Sporting News.

Thanks for your help in clearing this up.
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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: barrywatch
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:48:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.051723.10338@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.225940.26666@math.toronto.edu> joel@math.toronto.edu (Joel Chan) writes:
>
>>If you watched game 2 of the NLCS, someone in the Atlanta crowd
>>had the Barry-o-meter.  0-fer-his-last 5 and then he singled and scored and
>>a time when the game was already over.
>
>Really?  I didn't know they kept on playing after the game was over.
>
>Geez.  You're really stretching.  You don't like Barry Bonds, so you
>come up with any excuse to belittle his performance.  Here's a hint:
>unlike fake sports like football, basketball, and hockey, there is no
>clock in baseball.  A team can come back from ANY deficit.  Games aren't
>over till they're over.

>As an aside, I assume everyone noticed that Mr. Winner, who is a
>Winner, who always pitches to the score when he gives up 4 runs, and
>never loses important games and is such a clutch performer, somehow
>didn't win.  Yes, that's right.  Jack Morris went into the eighth inning
>looking like a loser, but somehow almost wasn't a loser because John
>Olerud got a hit.  But then, given a second chance, he *choked.*  He
>blew it.  He sucks.  He's no good under pressure.  He shouldn't even be
>in the majors.  He can't win when it counts.  :)

Brilliant. Truely. Of course, Morris HAS pitched extremely well, when it 
counted in the playoffs, for 2 other teams (a 1.54 World Series ERA isn't
bad) while Bonds has NEVER played well in post-season. And this is his
third chance.

Actually, I like Barry, and I'd put him on my team any day, but Morris
HAS produced in the past (and RECENT past at that) while Bonds has yet to
do so.

MIke
-- 
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From: chee1l5@Jane.UH.EDU
Subject: Re: Braves Fan Dilemma
Reply-To: chee1l5@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:14:29 GMT

Kenneth B. Martin  writes:

>Much has been said in the Atlanta papers and T.V. Stations about
>the lack of enthusiasm at the Atlanta Fulton County Stadium.  I 
>believe that the clientele that are going to the stadium plays a
>big role in this.  Consider that this year many ticket holders 
>are businesses and industries for the playoffs and World Series.
>Due to this, many die-hard Braves fans were limited to only 5000
>tickets.  Obtaining these tickets through Ticketmaster's phone
>line proved to be nearly impossible.  Over 30 million calls were 
>placed, and nobody I know was able to obtain tickets.  The only
>way this year to have gotten a ticket was to have been a season 
>ticket holder or belong to a corporation that had pre-purchased 
>tickets.  So since the games are being viewed by mainly corporate
>types, the enthusiasm is obviously less than ideal.  If there 
>were more of the typical "six-pack drinking" Braves fans at the 
>game, the emotion level would be much higher.
>
>Let's hear some other opinions on this!
>
>--Ken & Ron
> 

The loss of the rowdy "six pack" fans certainly played a part, but I think
the other main reasons are:
1. Most Braves fans *expect* them to win it this year (so its not as necessary
to "root them to victory".
2. It was new last year, so everyone was a little more crazy.
3. Main reason - Neither game was really close, and its much harder to get 
fired up when its 4-0 (or 13-4) than when its 2-1 and your fighting to hold on.

Sam
From: mcclure@cats.ucis.vill.edu (MCCLURE HAROLD)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Dates Wanted
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:50:00 GMT
Organization: Villanova University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

Gwen R. Price from the UK writes and tells us that Britain is giving limited
coverage to American baseball. You might be able to relate to Yankee fans of
soccer, who get poor coverage of an excellent sport that from some reason has
just not caught the attention of TV viewers, although our youth love to play it.

Knowing how you feel, let me try to help. The regular season ended Sunday 10/4.
Division winners with won-lost records were:

NL West          NL East           AL West        AL East
Atlanta 98-64    Pittsburgh 96-66  Oakland 96-66  Toronto 96-66   
Braves           Pirates           Athletics      Blue Jays

The Braves and the Pirates start a 7-game series Tuesday night in Atlanta.
The 2nd game is Wed. in Atlanta with Fri./Sat./Sun. games in Pittsburgh. Games
6 and 7, if needed, will be Tues./Wed. in Atlanta. 

The A's and Jays start Wednesday, I believe, In Oakland with games 2, 6, and 7
in Oakland and 3, 4, and 5 in Toronto.

Of course, the winners go to the World Series with the NL penant holder getting
home field advantage. I hope that helps and I also hope the Brits cheer for the 
Braves.    YOU CAN'T STOP THE (tomahawk) CHOP!!!!!
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Morris: more fuel for this debate
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:27:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

In article <1992Oct7.182747.6462@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.214115.16107@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>
>>Mike, I've said it before and I'll say it again.
>>
>>Random error.  When you are working with a sample set of size ~35,
>>*no* statistics are going to be very precise.  Maybe if Jim Abbott
>
>Then how relevant are, really, in evaluating an individual's performance if
>as you say "with a sample set of size ~35, *no* statistics are going to be 
>very precise"? 

How relevant are what?  W-L records?  THEY AREN'T!!!!  That's what
I've been trying to say all along!  How relevant is ERA?  Somewhat
better.  For ERA, you compute over a couple hundred innings.  Enough
so that you can be reasonably certain that a 1 point difference is
significant.  But the sample size for W-L records is only one seventh
the size.  Small enough so that a difference of five wins can easily
just be random error.

>>gets the same ERA/run support next year, he will achieve a 8-14
>>record.  Maybe he'll even get lucky and be 9-13.  And a 9-13 record is
>
>BTW, his RS/9 was about the same as his ERA; he should have been about a
>.500 pitcher.

Wrong.  You have to compute on RA, not ERA.  And (because of the
generally shoddy defense of the Angels), his RA was over 3.  He should
have been 9-13.  He was 7-15.  Maybe he is a "loser".  Or maybe he was
just a little bit unlucky.  Statistics on 35 starts are about as
significant as statistics on 35 AB.  They aren't.

>Now, he doesn't HAVE a 9 - 13 record, does he? And even THAT wouldn't be 
>very impressive for a pitcher who gets about as much as he gives up.

Just in case anybody missed it the first time, this is wrong.  Abbott
gave up significantly more runs than he got in support.

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Make outs, not walks!					tedward@cs.cornell.edu
Clemens four Cy Young!
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From: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen)
Subject: Re: Morris pitches to the score? (kinda long)
Organization: Sequoia Peripherals, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 16:01:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.225856.23341@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>early.  In the first inning, Morris gave up 25 runs in 33 innings.  (I
>don't have the stuff from his last start.)  That's a RA of 6.82!!!
>I'm not sure what his best innings are.  In innings 7-9, he has a
>~4.50 RA or so...  Actually, in the second inning he gave up only 7
>runs in 33 IP.  For a 1.91 RA.  But then inning #3 was bad again.

This just sounds like Morris does well in the second facing the
bottom of the order and poorly in the first and third facing the
top of the order. Obviously every pitcher does this to some extent. 
Does Morris follow this path more than other pitchers do? Do other
pitchers whose main problem is allowing home runs follow this pattern? 



-- 
Dave Eisen    dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU   Sequoia Peripherals: (415) 967-5644
      There's something in my library to offend everybody.
        --- Washington Coalition Against Censorship
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From: kmartin@dogwood.cray.com (Kenneth B. Martin)
Subject: Braves Need Support!! 
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:47:48 CDT


It all comes down to Game 7.  In order for Atlanta to win, they need lots of 
support from the fans.  The fans haven't been in it the past 2 games, and I 
must say, weren't really in it in the Braves 3 wins.  Don't "expect" the Braves
to go to the WS, let's cheer them on and HELP them go to the series.

Just some endless rantings from an aggrivated Braves fan!

GO BRAVES!!

--Ken

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Xref: sparky rec.sport.baseball:29583 soc.culture.japan:8768
From: yajima@nttcom.ntt.jp (YAJIMA Hiroshi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Japan Central League
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:45:21 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: NTT Network Information Systems Labs. Musashino, Tokyo

The beloved Yakult Swallows won the Central League pennant!
 
Howell belted two solo homers and Araki pitched five strong innings as the
beloved Yakult Swallows clinched the Central League pennant Saturday night
with a 5-2 win over the Hanshin Tigers at Koshien.
 
It was the second Ceanral League title for the beloved Swallows and their
first in 14 years.

 But the beloved Swallows lost the last game to the Tigers by the score of
3-4 Sunday at Koshien because of their hangover.

The beloved Yakult Swallows will face the Pacific League champion Seibu Lions
in the Japan Series starting Saturday at Tokyo's Jingu Stadium.
It will be the two teams' first series meeting.

 The schedule of the Japan Series is;

                17     18     20     21     22     24      25

Ballpark       Jingu  Jingu  Seibu  Seibu  Seibu  Jingu  Jingu
------------------------------------------------------------------
Japan Central League Standings 

                     W   L   T   Pct.   GB
Yakult Swallows     69  61   1   .531   --
Yomiuri Giants      67  63   0   .515   2.0
Hanshin Tigers      67  63   2   .515   2.0
Hiroshima Carp      66  64   0   .508   3.0
Taiyo Whales        61  69   1   .469   8.0
Chinichi Dragons    60  70   0   .462   9.0
-------------------
Central League Leaders 

Batting               AB   R   H   RBI   Pct.
^^^^^^^
Howell (Swallows)    435  67  128   87   .331
O'Malley (Tigers)    478  55  124   62   .325
Furuta (Swallows)    568  87  150   86   .316
Paciorek (Tigers)    562  73  159   88   .311 
Maeda (Carp)         585  82  152   89   .3083
Sheets (Whales)      537  61  150  100   .308
Komada (Giants)      556  73  155   64   .307
--------------------

Home Runs
^^^^^^^^^
Howell (Swallows)     38
Ikeyama (Swallows)    30
Furuta (Swallows)     30
Hara (Giants)         28
Komada (Giants)       27
Sheets (Whales)       26
Moseby (Giants)       25
---------------------

Pitching               IP      SO   W   L   ERA
^^^^^^^^^
Morita (Whales)       130 2/3  80  14   6   2.05
Nakagomi (Tigers)     200 2/3 111   9   8   2.42
Nakada (Tigers)       217 1/3 194  14  12   2.53
Kitabeppu (Carp)      181 1/3 101  14   8   2.58
Saito (Giants)        187 2/3 148  17   6   2.59
Ito (Swallows)        146      85   7   5   2.77
Yufune (Tigers)       146 2/3 136  11   8   2.82
Okabayashi (Swallows) 197     131  15  10   2.97
----------------------

------------ Hiroshi
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From: baseball@catch-the-fever.scd.ucar.edu (Gregg Walters)
Subject: Re: Who's winning game #6 - ALCS
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:24:04 GMT

Top 9th
    Jays fans singing NA-NA-NA-NA-HEY-HEY-GOODBYE
    Hinckey (sp?) now pitching for the Jays, walks Weiss the leadoff man.
    LaRussa now giving players who haven't appeared, a chance to play.
    Randy Ready pinch-hitting, strikes out swinging.
    Jamie Quirk pinch-hitting, robbed at the wall by Joe Carter.
    Carney Lansford pinch-hitting, walks on a 3-2 pitch.
    Sierra hits a little fly to Maldonado.

IT'S OVER!  FIREWORKS!  Fans swarm the field, etc., etc.

Final  Jays 9, As 2.


Gregg
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From: giant@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (Soul Doctor)
Subject: Clemens for Gonzalez?
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:28:41 GMT


I heard somewhere that it is 80% certain that
Juan Gonzalez will be traded straight-up
for Roger Clemens!

Anyone else heard this??


--
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From: larryw@sun.lclark.edu (Larry Westdahl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: BRAVES!!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 05:15:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Oct15.051500.6852
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

WOW!  This might even be better than '86!  The only difference is that in
'86 I thought the Mets were doomed.  I never thought the Braves would 
lose to the Pirates, and they DIDN'T!!!!

Watch out Jays!


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