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NPath: haydn!lmodel!lauto.lmc.com!longn%sequent.com
NFrom: longn@lauto.lmc.com (Long Nguyen)
NNewsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
NSubject: [RELIGION]  Chat with a Catholic.
NDate: Thu, 29 Oct 92 19:09 PST 
NMessage-Id: <m0mkmk3-3X4t4nC@lauto.lmc.com>
NSender: cuong@haydn (Cuong T. Nguyen)
NReply-To: lmodel!lauto.lmc.com!longn@sequent.com
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NGreeting,
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N>Cha`o anh Long An,
N>
N>To^i ho+i ba^.n, ne^n chi? tra? lo+`i 3 ddie^?m tre^n dda^y; Ne^'u to^i co'
N>thi` gio+`, se~ tra? lo+`i ta^'t ca? nhu+~ng gi` anh vie^'t.
N
NOk, it's cool, will see.  One more thing, don't use Long An but Longan.
NI like the fruit, longans so I chose it to be my writing name.
N
N>To^i nghi~ and kho^ng hie^?u nhie^`u ve^` dda.o Co^ng Gia'o anh ddo.c va`i
N>cuo^'n sa'ch, va`i to+` ba'o xuye^n ta.c the^u de^.t the^' la` anh dda^m ra 
N>ghen ghe't, thu` ha(`n....;  DDo.c ba`i cu?a anh to^i tha^'y nhu+ va^.y???
N>No'i va^.y thi` anh la.i cho ra(`ng kho^ng ddu'ng hay chu.p mu~.  Cu~ng
N>mong ra(`ng anh kho^ng thu` ghe't ... Co^ng Gia'o;  Cu~ng mong ra(`ng nhu+~ng 
N>ddie^`u tre^n kho^ng ddu'ng....; dde^? chu'ng ta cu`ng la` ba.n, hu+o+'ng ve^` 
N>tu+o+ng lai xa^y du+.ng Vie^.t Nam, to^'t dde.p kho^ng thu` ha^.n.  Thu` ha^.n 
N>chi? ddem la.i ddau thu+o+ng, che'm gie^'t, va` pha' tan Vie^.t Nam trong 
N>tu+o+ng lai.......
N
NAlright, let's back track the issue.  What exactly happened in 1963?
NLet's hear the account from the Catholics.  You see, I just found out the
Nugly and nasty deed of the Catholics.  Tell me what the Catholics has done
Nsince to 'compensate' for the victims.  Please don't tell me that God has
Nalready forgiven the Catholics.  Let say would it be nices if the Catholics
Npay some 'substantial' amount to the victims.  I believe in money not
Nwords of appology.
N
N>DDe^? ddi tha(?ng va`o 3 va^'n dde^` tre^n, to^i xin gia?i thi'ch anh hie^?u.
N>Nhu+~ng ddie^`u tre^n to^i cu~ng dda~ gia?i thi'ch o+? qu'a khu+', nhu+ng ma`
N>anh no'i chu+a bao gio+` ddo.c;  To^i tha^'y anh hay vie^'t tre^n SCV la('m 
N>ma`?? Co' the^? anh mo+'i tham gia cha(ng????????
N
NI've been reading SCV (just news, culture stuff) for a long time, long before 
NTung@Apple gang beat, the Vietnamese style.  Periodically, I would probe into
Nnet wars to keep myself aware at things but want no disgusting part of them.
NI believe in read more and talk less 'cause its my gain.  It was TX that
Nbrought me into writing on SCV.  Have the good Catholics put a clamp on TX's
Nmisbehave, I would not be writing now.
N
N>DDie^?m thu+' nha^'t anh Nguye^~n Long Wrote:"If you don't become a Catholic,
N>you will go to Hell".  Anh kho^ng hie^?u gi` ve^` dda.o Catholic???  No'i nhu+
N>  <cut>
N>Hell chu+' kho^ng pha?i ngu+o+`i ngoa`i Catholic.   DDo^'i vo+'i ngu+o+`i Co^ng 
N>Gia'o, ai co' quye^`n cho phe'p va`o nu+o+'c Tro+`i, Chi? co' Chu'a hay 
N>thu+o+`ng ddu+o+.c nha('c nho+?, Kho^ng pha?i theo dda.o la` ddu+o+.c le^n 
N
NNow that's better.  New question:  What shall you & I do when some outdated
NCatholics keep pulling the same trick?
N
NIn Philippine, Bataan 40,000+ refuge camp 1982, there was one Catholic who 
Nspoke on the loud speaker:  "If you believe in Catholics and it turns out there 
Nis no God then you only would be late for one life (reincarnation), if you
Nbelieve in Buddhism and there is a real God then you will be forever in hell."
N
NWell, that was 10 years ago.  Just don't let those tricks happen again.
N
N>sao????  Anh co' so+. kho^ng?????  To^i nghi~ anh kho^ng so+., ma` anh kho^ng 
N>so+. ngu+o+`i kha'c cu~ng kho^ng so+......
N
NWrong!  I am not afraid but it does not mean others will not.
N
N>Va^'n dde^` so^' 2, Gia'o Ho^.i Co^ng Gia'o cho phe'p ngu+o+`i Co^ng Gia'o 
N>la^'y ngu+o+`i ngoa`i Co^ng Gia'o.  Co`n ho. co' la^'y ngu+o+`i ngo`ai Co^ng 
N>Gia'o hay kho^ng ddo' la` quye^`n ca' nha^n cu?a ho.......;  Anh ddi ho+i xa, 
N                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NNow this pleases me most.  
N
NA while ago, a netter asked what should his brother do when the guy wanted to 
Nmarry a non-Catholic but she would not convert and the father refused to perform 
Nthe wedding unless she's converted.  Probably just another outdated Catholic father.
N
N>Va^'n dde^` thu+' 3, anh cu~ng ddi ho+i qu'a xa; anh la` ngu+o+`i ngoa`i Co^ng 
N>Gia'o; anh la^'y tu+ ca'ch gi` ba('t ngu+o=`i ta la`m va^.y???? Con cu?a 
N
NMy point 3) refers to point 2).  Let me reword it.
N
N:3.  IF POINT 2) AGREED, LET THE CHILDREN CHOOSE THEIR RELIGION AT THEIR FREE
N:      WILL UNDER THEIR OWN WISDOM.
N
N3a)  IF a Catholic and a non-Catholic marry and the non-Catholic is not converted,
NLET THE CHILDREN CHOOSE THEIR RELIGION (BETWEEN CATHOLIC OR ANY NON-CATHOLIC) AT 
NTHEIR FREE WILL UNDER THEIR OWN WISDOM.
N
N>ngu+o+`i ta, ho. la`m gi` ke^. ho.;  kho^ng pha?i con cu?a anh, ho. da.y con 
N>ho. theo ne^'p so^'ng Co^ng Gia'o la` quye^`n cu?a ho.; anh la^'y tu+ ca'ch gi` 
N>ba?o ho. ddu+`ng.....Anh kho^ng ddu? tu+ ca'ch dde^? la`m ddie^`u ddo'!!!!
N>Tru+o+`ng ho+.p ngu+o+`i ta ddu.ng to+'i con anh, lu'c ddo' anh mo+'i co' 
N>quye^`n.  Con nha` na`o, ngu+o=`i a^'y da.y.  Anh to^'t va` dda.o ddu+'c nhu+ 
N>va^.y sao?????  Lo cho mo.i ngu+o+`i nhu+ va^.y sao????????????????????.....
N
NWorrying about children is not my point.  Fairness between a Catholic and a non-
NCatholic is the point.  Discard point 3) and read point 3a).
N
N>Tho^i to^i pha?i ve^` na^'u co+m a(n, va` nhie^`u vie^.c pha?i la`m nu+~a; co' 
N>di.p, va` co' thi` gio+` ra~nh to^i se~ ha^`u chuye^.n anh.  To^i nghi~ ba^'y 
N>nhie^u co' the^? giu'p anh hie^?u pha^`n na`o, ne^'u anh kho^ng hie^?u hoa(.c 
N>hie^?u sai, co' tho+`i gio+` to^i se~ tro+? la.i.......
N>
N>Cha`o ddoa`n ke^'t,
N>
N>SHC
N
NCook a big one to save time and we can talk some more.  Do you want to hear the
Npyrimid scheme stuff?
N
N
NLongan - Proud non-Catholic man