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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 08:29:55 CST
Reply-To:     Ed Mertes <mertes@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL>
From:         Ed Mertes <mertes@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Re: President Andrew Johnson's Genealogy Question
Comments: To: roots-l@VM1.NODAK.EDU

> Abraham Lincoln was shot one month after his second inaguration.
> Andrew Johnson was his Vice President.  Johnson is the only president
> to be impeached by Congress, however, he was not removed from office.

This brings up another question if I can get it out before Alf posts
a "cease and desist" message on this thread.  I understand the
difference between impeachment and removal from office and the
responsibilities of the House and the Senate in the process but what
I'm not sure of is... Was Nixon impeached?  My almanac says that the
House Judiciary Committee passed three articles of impeachment and
sent them to the full House.  It goes on to say that the House
voted 412-3 to accept the committee report including the impeachment
articles.  Then he resigned.  Did the 412-3 vote mean they impeached
him and the next step would have been the Senate trial or would an
actual Impeachment Bill have to be passed first?  In Andrew Johnson's
case there was no confusion since he was actually impeached but the
Senate voted against removal.

Private E-mail replies might be a good idea here since this is
off-topic.

Ed




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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:19:10 PST
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From:         21-Jan-1993 2119 <lane@BOT000.ENET.DEC.COM>
Subject:      UK census help needed - please
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Greetings,

I'm having lots of troubles getting our ftp server to actually serve
which means I haven't been able to copy any of the UK census transcripts.
It's a long story but basically, I can't actually do an ftp, I have to
tell another computer to do it for me and mail me the uuencoded results.
For reasons not clear, it does not want to function. [Vile comments deleted]

Is there some kind person who has {some|most|all} of the UK census
transcripts so kindly provided by Mr. Stanier available for mailing
to me?

Can someone mail one or two of them so I can at least understand what
I'm after?

many thanks,
Mickey.   lane@bot000.enet.dec.com
       or lane@elwood.enet.dec.com
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Date:         Wed, 20 Jan 1993 11:24:48 -0800
Reply-To:     Joan Bishop <joan@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
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From:         Joan Bishop <joan@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Pest house
Comments: To: Tom Lincoln <lincoln@iris.rand.org>
Comments: cc: Roots-L@vm1.nodak.edu, lincoln@rand.org

Thanks, for the information on Typhus.  But I do think it is incredible
that we didn't have it in the Civil War.  We can be thankful for that I
guess.  I know it was a problem in the prison camps in WWII.  War is such
a nasty thing in so many ways.  You stated in your Marfan syndrome
exchange with another person that you are a doctor.  What is your specialty?
Also I noticed you spelled it "Marphan".  Are there two spellings?  I used
to be a doctor's assistant so I am familar with medical terms and found
the discussion quite interesting.  I am glad they didn't water it down to
lay terms.

Lincoln was such a great man in many ways and I find it interesting that
some of our great contributors came from families with some genetic problems.
For instance, Beethoven's siblings had all kinds of problems, including TB,
blindness, etc.

I have more than a passing interest since I have four children (two with
serious genetic problems and two that have some extraordinary abilities.
(In my opinion, anyway).  So genetics is an interesting subject for me and
I actually worked here in the past in the Medical Genetics Department.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this topic.

Joan Bishop
University of Washington
Seattle, Washington
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From: hurley@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Brian Hurley)
Subject: Re: GENEALOG: New File: comp430d
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:15:17 GMT

>
>I find that with DOS5 I may need to use LOADFIX to run this program.
>The sign is if when it is run the message
>"Packed file is corrupt" appears.
>This is NOT a problem with the *.Z file!
>Try "LOADFIX <progname> <filename>" instead.
>

May want to get the file again or from the SIMTEL archive ( Where I got mine )
Mine works fine with DOS5 or a DOS session under windows.  


Brian


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From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much)
Subject: Re: Stuck on TIMBERLAKE
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:20:49 GMT

In article <009670B1.840F0EA0.13841@esseX.stfx.ca> holloway@ESSEX.STFX.CA writes:
>Anyone got anything on TIMBERLAKE from VA?  Specifically, John Timberlake
>who married Mary Johnson, Apr 1782, in Beford Co, VA.  His father
>may have been Richard.  Since the family is in Hinshaw they are probably
>Quakers though how far back I don't know. THe only other references
>(Immigrants, etc) to this family I can find are much earlier (1600s)
>in New England (any connection?)

Don't know if it will help, but Lloyd DeWitt Bockstruck, Virginia's
Colonial Soldiers (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1988),
includes Benjamin, Charles, Epaphroditus, Henry, and Richard in the
index.  So there were multiple Timberlakes in VA in the 18th century.
Richard was the "heir at law" of Henry in Henrico Co., Dec. 1779.  He
is "a native of VA who served six months in 1758 under Gen. Forbes"
and got 50 acres in Bedford Co. May 1780.
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McCarty, McQuead, Much, Murfin, Musgrove, Pilgrim (Pilgram), Pope,
Sauerwein, Sontag, Speer, Tarrant, Taverner, Terry, Travers,
Underwood, Warembour (de Warenbur), Wegman, Woodruff, Yerby.




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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:50:03 EST
Reply-To:     Olivier Bilodeau <OVESA@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA>
From:         Olivier Bilodeau <OVESA@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA>
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@Vm1.NoDak.Edu

Could some one give me the information what is the latest edition of
Brother's Keeper's in the english and the french edition.

Pourriez-vous me dire qu'elle est la derniere edition de
Brother's Keeper's en anglais et en francais.

                           Merci Thank you
Olivier Bilodeau

Recherche \ Ressearching: Bilodeau; Hurtubise; Gauthier; Laurendeau
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From:         Rick Carpenter <gra_jrc@SHSU.EDU>
Subject:      disregard W. Florida Co. mssg, good mssg later!!
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Reply-To:     Ron Field <71024.1033@COMPUSERVE.COM>
From:         Ron Field <71024.1033@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      Scanning Photographs
Comments: To: ROOTS-L <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.Edu>

>  Date:  21-Jan-93 05:21 EST
>  From:  INTERNET:clarridge%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU
>  Subj:  SCANNING PHOTOGRAPHS... HOW SHOULD I test
>
>  I would like to do some comparative testing of the results from scanning
>  old photographs.  I need help from the net as to what makes sense.
>
>  [THIS IS A TOPIC THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED BEFORE AND GETS ADDRESSED EVERY YEAR
>  OR SO... SO ONE CAN LOOK BACK AT NET LOGS AND READ LOTS OF GOOD DISCUSSION ON
>  PRESERVATION OF PHOTOS WITHOUT REGENERATING LOTS OF NEW TRAFFIC]
>
>  However the issue for me right now is to see if I have a decent grasp of the
>  parameters before asking a niece with access to scanners of different
 varieties
>  to do a test for me.

I just started to put my old photographs on the new Kodak PhotoCD.  I have
set up a copy stand to shoot the originals with a slow speed film 35 ISO.
Then for 35.00 canadian I get Negs, Prints, and a CD back (price includes
all three).  Each CD holds up to approx. 100 images which are scanned in
at 5 different resolutions (3072 x 2048 and down to 192 x 128) in 24 bit
color.  This way I set up a different CD for each Surname (like an album).
If you have old negatives that you wish to have transfered to CD the cost is
more due to them being cut.

I don't work for Kodak, I just thought the info would be useful.

Ron

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From: winsser@nynexst.com (Johan Winsser)
Subject: Locate Plowden or Long Isle
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 22:20:39 GMT

Anyone know anything about apparently unsuccessful adventure?

Thanks.

Johan

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From:         BAINTER@ESDSDF.DNET.GE.COM
Subject:      Document preservation
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I just read the question about preserving newspaper clippings.  I have
several that I'm also worried about.  I also have my gggrandfathers
discharge papers from the Union Army.  I've noticed over the years that
they are starting to fade out and are getting brittle.
If anyone has any ideas on newspaper preservation, could they also say
something about preserving these other documents also??

Nancy
bainter@esdsdf.dnet.ge.com
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:50:52 GMT+1200
Reply-To:     Kaye Saunders <KSaunders@GANDALF.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
From:         Kaye Saunders <KSaunders@GANDALF.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Organization: University of Otago
Subject:      Looking for John Pimentel
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@vm1.nodak.edu

Hi

Sorry to bother the group with this but about six months ago I wrote a
couple of times to John Pimentel <pimentel@earrth.enet.dec.com> but I've
just tried to get in touch with him again and got this message:-

%MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user PIMENTEL at node EARRTH
550 <pimentel@earrth.enet.dec.com>... User unknown

Does anyone know where I can contact John now?

Thanks

Kaye


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From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Help
Date: 23 Jan 93 18:34:57 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <ROOTS-L%93012311243690@VM1.NODAK.EDU> Jim Layton X <JRL721F@VMA.SMSU.EDU> writes:
>I am attempting to find anyone past or present with the last name of
>Haratnick.  I have been unable to find this name in any census, LDS
>listing or anything else.

Melvyl suggests: Ask Jean Paul Rigaut.....

Could this be a combination arabic and slavic name (perhaps from the
sometime Yugoslavia {:-(

Search request: F SU HARAT
Search result:  1 record at all libraries

Type HELP for other display options.

1.
Author:        El Sioufi, Mohamed M.
Title:         A Fatimid harah : its physical, social and economic
structure /
		 Mohamed M. El Sioufi. [Cambridge, Mass.] : Aga Khan
Program
		 for Islamic Architecture at Harvard University and the
		 Massachusetts Institute of Technology, c1981.
Description:   46 p. : ill., maps ; 22 cm.

Subjects:      Harat al-Darb al-Asfar (Cairo, Egypt)  [**NOTE THIS!!]
	       Cairo (Egypt) -- Streets.

Call numbers:  UCB   EnvDesign DT150.5.H37 E47
	       SRLF            D 0005921903 Type EXP SRLF for loan details.

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all reasonable combinations were negative....
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Date:         Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:56:00 PST
Reply-To:     Roy@SOC.SSCNET.UCLA.EDU
From:         Roy@SOC.SSCNET.UCLA.EDU
Subject:      Re: Searching for Database for BOOKS
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

I have found NOTEBOOK/BIBLIOGRAPHY very helpful.  It is a flexible database
that you can easily configure with standard fields like author, title, etc.
including notes (all fields are variable length). It will output in most
conventional formats (at least conventional academic formats, like MLA, APA,
etc.), or any that you tailor yourself.  But the capability that is most
useful if you are using it to enter references into papers is that you can
mark the references in the text (e.g. %Smith, 1993) with a simple percent
sign and it will find Smith, 1993 in the database along with all the other
references, alphabetize them and print them in whatever format you want.  Of
course, if you truly enjoy making bibliographies, you won't find this useful.
 The only drawback I've found is that it can be a little slow if you have a
sizeable database.  I have about 2000 entries and it takes 5-10 sec. on my
386 IBM-compatible.  The list price I think is about $250, but my campus
bookstore has it for $50, a real bargain.
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: "perpetual" calendar
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:45:02 GMT
Organization: RAND
cc: lincoln@rand.org

In article <ROOTS-L%93012107492279@VM1.NODAK.EDU> Tom Sundius U of Helsinki +358 0 1918339 <SUNDIUS@FINUH.BITNET> writes:
>Tom Lincoln says that his program shows the transition from OldStyle
>to Newstyle to happen in Finland on 12/31/1917, i.e. the same date as
>for Russia. This must, however, be wrong, because Finland was a part of
>Sweden when Sweden made the transition on 2/17/1753. Since the NewStyle was
>introduced by the Swedish king already at that time, there was no reason
>for the Russian emperor to introduce the Russian (Oldstyle) calendar in
>Finland when Finland became part of Russia in 1809.

Thank you for your comment. As noted, most of the transitions are taken
from Facts on File... and one learns that these "facts" are sometimes
wrong:

1.
Title:  The Book of calendars / Frank Parise, editor.
New York : Facts on File, c1982.
Description:    387 p. ; 24 cm.

Notes:  Includes index.

Subjects:       Calendars.

Other entries: Parise, Frank.

Call numbers: UCLA    Reference CE 11 B66 1982 Reference Desk

The net is a whole new way of critiquing this kind of information.

>there was no reason
>for the Russian emperor to introduce the Russian (Oldstyle) calendar in
>Finland when Finland became part of Russia in 1809.

That is good logic, but do you know it to be true? Governments love
consistency, even if illogical... so they could have turned back the
clock... but did they?

Could you give us a reference?

I also found on running the program that some of the older Easter dates
did not agree with Facts on File... but I checked them with other
algorithms and with other tables and found mine agreed with these
alternative sources.  Further, some of the questionable Easter dates in
Facts on File turned out to fall on Wednesday.... nuf said

There were other errors in the translation of Old and New Style.

All of this proves how hard it is to get all of the idiosyncracies of
the callendar right... and how hard such things are to proof read.

SOmeone also asked:

Where is the land of Oldstyle which will change from Julian to Gregorian
on the first of January in the year Four Thousand?? :) :)

my only plausible reply: Over by the land of Default..

and we will see when we get there...

Tom
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Reply-To:     "David B. Combe" <dcombe@EIS.CALSTATE.EDU>
From:         "David B. Combe" <dcombe@EIS.CALSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      SILVERS in 1920 IN census
Comments: To: roots-l@Vm1.NoDak.edu

Thanks, Nancy, for your suggestion.  I have extracted all SILVERS and
SILVER from the 1920 census, and forgot to mention it.  Is there someone
in Indianapolis who is familiar with local city/county records who has an
idea of something else I could check?
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From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Subject: Re: German Surnames
Organization: CompuData Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:40:19 GMT

jungschj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:

>In later times Meier and all its spelling variations became the title of a
>farm bailiff or manager of a good-sized farm, usually owned by some nobility
>who could obviously not be bothered with the day to day running of their
>possessions.  This also applies to farms held by the churches.

This seems to be the concensus then. It explains the often used name: 'meyer zu 
place', or the manager of x. It is easy to see how this could have become 
hereditary and that the name had some kind of 'uppity' wring to it which 
people would want to keep. Meyer, Mueller & Schmidt seem to be the most common 
names in Germany.

fred
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From: M.Kossa@frec.bull.fr (Marc Kossa)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Search Kossa,Caudal,Hazo,Le Courtois,Le Morillon
Date: 26 Jan 1993 03:07:03 -0600
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Hello,
I'm searching for people with these last names :

  Caudal
  Hazo
  Le Courtois
  Le Morillon
  Kossa

So far as I know, the first 4 were found in the northern part of France last
century, and the last one (my name) in Poland ca 1900.
Any info would be more than welcome, like adresses of people with those
names elsewhere in the world.

In exchange, I would do searches for you on the French Minitel.
That is, I could give you adresses of all the people having a given name.
The Minitel is an electronic phone directory of France. It can search
one departement (state) at a time. As there are 95 departements in France,
to scan the whole country takes some time. If you know the region where
to start, it's faster.

Waiting for your replies,

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Reply-To:     Evelyn - Reserve <ECA3813@TAMRIGEL.BITNET>
From:         Evelyn - Reserve <ECA3813@TAMRIGEL.BITNET>
Subject:      re: Aldred Query

I sent the following message, but it came back to me:
  My husband did not get home for lunch, so was not able to get what little
information I have.  As before, William Thomas Aldred b. 1820 married a
Eliza Pool.  mother's name is probably Elizabeth.  I found this on the
1950 census of Warren Co., GA>  I am trying to go backwards and find his
father.  I think that he just evolved out of the clouds.  Thanks
   Evelyn Aldred
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              McGill Un" <ED20@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
From:         "Michael Renshawe-Preservation Librarian,
              McGill Un" <ED20@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      clippings - preservation
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Lots of good suggestions.  But two very practical ones I
recommend:
1.  use photo copies, rather than originals.  Keep originals in a
safe, dry, cool and dark (no light!) place.
2.  try placing clippings in plastic (not just any plastic!) mylar
envelopes or l-velopes sold by University Products and other
suppliers of preservation materials.  They are relatively cheap and
really do help preserve clippings, pamphlets, documents, etc.
These two steps will preserve clippings for a long time and
don't require any chemical solutions or sprays.
mike renshawe
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