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From: subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND)
Subject: Re: Malay songs.
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:11:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.025958.26317@news.ysu.edu>, af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
> >	I lost some of my cassettes in the process of moving couple of years
> >ago. So, if anyone out there can do me this favor, I'll very much
> >appreciated. I'll send you the cassettes and return postage or which ever
> >way you prefer.
> >	Thanks again.
> 
> Awww.....this would add up to audio piracy, no ???
> 
> ATAN
> 
Well, Mr. Tan, I guess I should have been more specific here aah?
Those who follow the law strictly can ignore my mail. People who are
interested in talking about music and doing me a favor can reply to me.


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From: jb00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOSE ANTONIO BASTO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: USA: E. Timor at "The Discovery Channel" - 5:00PM (EST)
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:32:47 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

The documentarie "COLD BLOOD - THE MASSACRE OF EAST TIMOR", from Yorkshire  TV
(GB) is to be showed today for the first time in USA.

If you have cable TV, get "The Discovery Channel" at 5:00 PM today (Saturday)
or 2:00 AM tomorrow (Sunday).

This is a independent view of the struggle of East Timor people against his
powerful neighbor Indonesia, that had cost 1/3 of its population (> 200 000
deaths) in 16 years of occupation.

See with your own eyes the way the resistance lives in the jungle,
the last words ofindependence fighters recorded (some of then had been shoot
at the 12 November massacre), the peaceful demonstration and the cruel
violence of the Indonesian army on assassinating the East Timorese
demonstrators.

Jose' Basto
-- 
Jose' Barros BASTO; Address:11,Duh Dr Apt 222; BETHLEHEM, PA 18015-3732
Phone :(215)758-1846; Office:(215)758-4640;  FAX:(215)758-4886   U.S.A.
From: songbac@coos.dartmouth.edu (Durian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Mat Setia and satellite parabolic antenna and the 5% dude
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:54:24 GMT
     <1at278INN318@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <1992Oct6.224732.18330@news.ysu.edu>
Organization: Big Green
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0


	It's (not?) fun to see our "Bersih, Cekap dan Amanah" Yang 
Berhormat caught doing what he prevents others from doing.  It will 
be worse still if they all act that our 5% minister who said 
"The prime minister did not ask me to resign blah blah blah" or 
something like that.  They are supposed to serve the country, not
the PM or themselves.

	Let's hope whoever is responsible will resign but I won't put
too much hope in that.  :-> 


Me.

from the Remote Pseudo Artic Town,
Hanover, New Hampshire.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: siong@fraser.sfu.ca (Siong Heng Chan)
Subject: Muslims converting to other religions in England!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:46:39 GMT



Hi there netters!
		 Well, just a question here, when I went back to Malaysia
last semester, there was a big issue about some 20 Malay students in England
who changed their religion.  I know that this is a really sensitive issue but
I'm not trying to create any racial or religious war here.  Just plain 
curiosity.  Can anyone in England confirm this?  (I didn't know the outcome 
of this in Malaysia.)
		 One more thing that I'm really cunfused about is that when
the Perak State government heard about this, they made a big fuss about it.
They said that they have to investigate to find out if there are any Perak
scholarship holders involved because if they are, then their scholarships will
be withdrawn.  The reason that the state gov. gave was that if the Malays 
changed their religion, they will lose their "BUMIPUTERA" status so they won't 
be eligible to hold scholarships given to bumis only.  The question is, I 
thought that Bumiputera status is actually refering to the "RACE" and not
the religion.  Example, there are a lot of Kadazans in Sabah/Sarawak (I'm
not sure cos from the west) who are Christians but still considered to be
bumiputeras.  It shouldn't matter what religion you to be classified under
the bumiputera status.  Can anybody explain this?
		  The above isn't intended to offend any religion or race.  As
I have said, just plain curiosity.

siong

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ystan@fawlty1.eng.monash.edu.au (Mr YS Tan)
Subject: Re: Malaysia: Dates for Hari Raya and Chinese New Year?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:58:05 GMT

laicheng@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Lai Cheng Lam) writes:

>Joe Hamlin (hamlin@afit.af.mil) wrote:
>: quarter of 1993). Could someone supply me with the dates
>: for Chinese New year and Hari Raya?
>: 
>: Thank you,
>: Joe Hamlin

>I'm not sure when Hari Raya is, but Chinese New Year is somewhere at the
>end of January. If you want some real taste of Malaysia before a
>festival, come a bit earlier.

>Elsie.
>laicheng@tartarus.uwa.edu.au

In 1993, the 1st day of Chinese New Year is the 23rd of January.

Regards,
YS

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Mcinnes B T (Dr))
Subject: Re: Blackout in Singapore and West Malaysia
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:56:51 GMT


HA HA HA HA HA     Excuse me , I'm terribly sorry, but I just read your
brilliant letter about theology and big bang cosmology and about how
atheists are all potential criminals: and then to see you writing this
induced an uncontrollable urge to laugh. Please don't be put off, your
letters are by far the funniest on this group. Thank you.



: people must still be protected, because they are Malaysians.
: 
: : them.
: Like invading Malaysia and take away Malaysia territory forever, instead of
: doing it silently?
: 
: --
: Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
: Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
: Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
: Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
: 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Subject: Re: WHY SO BELLIGERENT?
Reply-To: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:09:26 GMT


In a previous article, hra2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Hibatur Rahman Ahmad) says:

>Hi!  Lately, I have seen a lot of postings starting from defence and fighter
>purchases by ASEAN countries (such as Malaysia and Singapore) ending up on how
>the war between the two or three gonna look like. Are you guys really want to
>see those things happen?  Do you really want to get into WAR?  Or do you
>wish to live longer?  Why many people want to discuss about war when we can
>live in peace?  When we want to create more belligerent situations when this
>planet is full of people killing each other?  Isn't that enough?  Let's talk
>about more fruitful discussion.  Itu saja.
>
>Hibatur Rahman Ahmad
>Lehigh University
>Pennsylvania
>
>                        "I DO LOVE MY HOMELAND"
>


Hear yee...hear yeee...I agree with you 100% 

But then when we try to explain the futility of such warring discussios, we get
reactions such as my:

1. ...making ill-threats to Singapore at the slightest excuse...

2. ...hope I can be happy in Malaysia under the current govt...

3. ...knowledge of Penang food only...

4. ...writing from the Mental Asylum of St. Elizabeth Hospital...

5. ...usage of the word Y'ALL...


And to top it off, I haven't seen a single shread of prove from MR TAN GIM WEE
whom I had accused of LYING in saying I had made ill-threats to Singapore.
For that matter, amidst all the notoriety I've been receiving, I haven't 
seen any evidence at all from any Singaporean in net-land to disprove
my accusation on Mr TAN GIM WEE.

At this point, I rest my case. 


Hasta La Vista, Babes...
ATAN


p.s. YA'LL don't want me to say I'LL BE BACK, do ya?
From: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Subject: Cheap Airfare from LA to Singapore
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Reply-To: cheu@venus.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:40:54 GMT


I just made reservation for my airline ticket from LA to Singapore.
Believe it or not, the round trip fare is only US$600 + $18 tax, on
SINGAPORE AIRLINES !!!  The restrictions: you have to make the round
trip by Dec 9 1992, otherwise the fare go up to us$1100.  Travel must
be made on Mon-Thu, and ticket be purchased by Sept 30.

For those of you who is thinking of going back, I hope that this info
is useful.  BTW, there is still ticket left on SQ12 on Dec 9 from SIN
to LAX.


Kelvin

p/s I'm glad that SIA uses 747-400, because I'm sick of Mig29 or F16.
From: renoir@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Khemdut Purang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:02:23 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5



	chopping off willies and PAP policies...

	i think that willy-chopping will in fact help
	the various policies the government has come up
	with in its infinite wisdom.

	consider :

	a willy-less population will :
		
	1.	turn the energies of 1/2 the population
	to work and work and work even more than now.
	that will give singapore the edge to compete in the
	new world order.

	2.	make artificial insemination the norm. imagine
	the possibilities... the semen used can then be carefully
	selected from among the cream of singapore government,
	industry and academia, producing a nation of geniuses.
	SOLVED!!! the graduate mother business

	3.	artificial insemination will also help the
	government produce specially doctored sperm which will
	produce triplets each time. no need then to cajole
	people to have 3 kids. no choice.

	4.	keep toilet seats clean. wouldn't it be
	wonderful, ladies, to always have clean seats ? willy-less
	men will also have to sit to do whatever...

	5.	and we can also save on public toilets: no 
	need for separate male/female ones ... all will be same



	i hope i have convinced you of the need for a willy
	chopping law in singapore.

	can those in singapore right now approach their mps about it ?


	kpurang
From: ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (Old Wolf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: FOOD!!! (Was Re: Let's cut the crap...
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:06:30 GMT
Reply-To: ag@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

In article 16546@bnr.uk, bador@bnr.ca (Yasmin Bador) writes:
>I enjoyed the listing on food. Made me VERY homesick though. The best
>cendol ever though must be from K.P (Kuala Pilah) where this mamak makes
>his own cendol (chunky, tasty stuff) and uses gula anau instead of the weak
>gula Melaka.
>
>Anyway, the news tidbits was greatly appreciated. Keep it up please!

I was also grateful for the "food review". I might not agree with them
if I ever manage to sample the food commented on, but that does not
matter.

>
>I also happen to think all this military crap is nothing but a bit of "boys
>and their toys" type of talk. Granted there may not be many girlies on this
>net but those that are here are probaly bored witless. Let's start talking
>about something else like why was it that the Government did not want to
>give sholarship to girlies to do engineering when I was a youngster.
>(I'm not a serious feminazi but just trying to see if anyone had the same
>experiences)

Well, the subject is probably taken very seriously by those involved in it.
Personally, I cannot say that I am bored with it, since I just ignore it.
It does seem clear however that you are definitely not a "serious" feminist.
I do not think it would go down well with the feminists amongst us that you
refer to women/ladies as "girlies"!

>
>Anyway, waht abou some less serious news ei? I did'nt know about Sudirman
>until very late so some gossip stuff could be entertaining. (Yeah that's a
>bit girlish but EVERYONE is secretly interested in dirt. That's why the SUn
>is the biggest selling paper in the UK).

I do not have anything against you gossiping about Sudirman, (I can simply
ignore it),
but EVERYONE is interested in dirt !!
    --------

I am not even sure that the majority are interested in dirt, I am certainly
not interested in it.
In my opinion (probably a minority view) I think that the Sun and other
such papers (notice I did not say NEWSpapers), are a shameful waste of
wood, and should be banned.

>
>Otherwise, how is R&D in Malaysia doing?
>
Improving, from what I read occasionally,
but I would be interested in more detail also.


>
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>*       "Bahasil balik hasal"                                               *
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING)
Subject: Re: Defense of S'pore; was about F16 & Mig29
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:36:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.220827.16070@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh) writes:
>
>  " LATE BREAKING NEWS "
> Just receive  from Indonesian news agency "Antara"
>
>    Malaysia and Indonesia has jointly starting the operation
> "Hantam saja " in invading Singapore.
>    First sortie has flown over Singapore to deliver its ordinance
>  it has been reported that most of the bomb fall on orchard road.
>  Lucky Plaza and Mount Elizabeth hospital are in a state of destruction.
>
     It is impossible that Singapore would be under a suprise attack.  Singaporehas four Grumman E-2 Hawkeyes.  They would detect enemy fighters even before
they take off and head for Singapore airspace.

>  Meanwhile Singapore prepare to counter attack. it has been  a hectic
>  day for reservist reporting back to their station. (Hope fully some still
>  remember  their code name . Just imagine watching tv  and there it is
>  "Rosegarden report to  Juong Depot " )

     I think you have underestimated the Reservists in Singapore, they have
very impressive mobilization exercises.  In a few hours, Singapore can
mobilise several thousand troops, I forgot the actual number.  As for
counter attack, Singapore has also fighters based in Thailand, New Zealand,
Phillipines and Brunei.  It would be a major mistake to attack Singapore in
any ways.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: vickeong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Jiun-Wen Keong)
Subject: test
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 15:55:32 GMT

this is a test, pls ignore.

vickeong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Jiun-Wen Keong)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Samyvellu and MIC
Date: 2 Oct 92 08:34:25 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Oct2.015400.12386@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

> Find out more about British/English and Asian cultures.  
> You are obviously too stupid that you will not know even if I tell you
> blatantly.

	Oh, Yes, Yes, I am too stupid to know, and you are too witless to
explain.  Thanks for sage advice.  The wisdom "Politicans will never
do illegal things" will forever embeded in my mind.


> This shows how stupid you are. You are saying that the Nazis and Ku Klux Klan
> rallies show how democratic they were.
> No voting no democracy. Others are not important and can be ignored 
> completely, like freedom of speech etc. These are not democratic principles,
> only basic human rights. Read some more.
> 
> "rule of the people", "trust the people, not yourself or the minority"
> 
> You are obviously as democratic as the Nazis and communists.
> 
> Use the 2 rules above to judge you comments.
> It is the presence of a lot of immature citizens like you that had caused
> the retardation of Developing nations.
> 	I'm very sure that if you are in power, you will become a dictator.
> 

	slow down, slow down.  You are imparting too much wisdom here, it
is hard for a lay man like me to digest.  
	Let me summarize your points to make sure I fully understand the
implications of it.  If voting and not freedom of speech is the main 
ingredient of democrary, then we can forbid everyone speak badly about
the government.  However we will let them vote just to keep them happy.
Good point, I think that is what the Malaysia government is practicing.
 	I do have difficulty with the the pharase 'trust the people,
not yourself or the minority'.  If I am the Prime Minister, and I should
trust the people, then how come I am not brave enough to have open discussions
and free election ?  It seems it contradict the previous rule or maybe not.
But I am sure a person as intelligent as you can resolve this.
	I appreciate the compliment of me having the ability to become
a dictator.  That shows how good a student I am.  If I listen to your
wisdom,  how can I not be a dictator ?


Jack Teh   

> --
> Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
> Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
> Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
> Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: iscksc@nuscc.nus.sg (Mr Khoo Siau Cheng)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:47:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.154247.27065@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> renoir@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Khemdut Purang) writes:
>
>	the real gross thing in singapore, i think
>	is all these parents encouraging their kids
>	to pee in the drains.
>
>	i think its the people trying to get back at the 
>	government.
>	they resent regulation about all sorts of things and
>	collectively and subconsciously have decided to
>	poison the next generation, to create a generation
>	of singaporeans for whom the norm will be to treat
>	the steets and public places as toilets ( like their
>	parents now treat, malaysia, say - the ugly singaporean)
>

This kind of deduction and reasoning is without base. Peeing into the
drains has existed in Singapore since the "Kampong days".  Nowadays,
How many young adults in Singapore have you noticed peeing in the
drains? If there are any, are they brought up doing so by their
parents?  
You can frequently find people (worse still, they are adults) in the
US (like New York City) peeing on the streets. Do they do that because
they, or their parents, want to show their resentment, or love, of the
lack of law enforcement in the country? Similar things happen in
Japan. What's your conclusion then? I don't know about Switzerland.
Can someone verify this?

>	theres no way singapore will be like switzerland any time
>	soon with the whole population peeing in the streets.

Another over-generalization. Generalizing a few people (don't even
know if they are Singapore citizens) to the whole population, then
generalizing peeing into the drains to peeing in the streets. Has the
number of kids peeing into the drains increased lately, according to
your survey? 
According to your reasoning, then adding a new regulation to ban 
kids from peeing into the drains can only cause the parents to
resent more, and thus asking their kids to pee in the streets instead.

Personally, I don't mind small kids peeing into the drains, but not
streets; and I find peeing in the lifts very disgusting. Still, I
don't think there is a need for a new regulation.
From: Ming_Lim@kcbbs.gen.nz (Ming Lim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: FOOD!!! (Was Re: Let's cut the crap.
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:25:28 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

> I enjoyed the listing on food. Made me VERY homesick though. The best  
> cendol ever though must be from K.P (Kuala Pilah) where this mamak makes  
> his own cendol (chunky, tasty stuff) and uses gula anau instead of the weak 
> gula Melaka.  
  
What is gula anau? I have never heared of it before, does it have a  
different name. I made some cendol the other day with gula Melaka, Came  
out not bad, but could be better.  
  
Ming.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: bem30001@nusunix1.nus.sg (LEE CHEE HOE)
Subject: Re: Test
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 14:06:41 GMT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Blackout in Singapore and West Malaysia
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:36:39 GMT
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Sep30.135050.3937@iti.gov.sg> hcleong@iti.gov.sg (Leong Heng Cheong (Sch 10/92)) writes:

>Fire at Senoko station causes 13-hour blackout
>----------------------------------------------

>At the height of the power failure, Singapore lost more than half its
>power output, or 1,600 megawatts of electricity, 

1600 Mega Watts, that is a lot of power from one station.  Does 
anybody know what sort of power source the station runs on?
It sounds to me that the 1600 MW loss is due to the singapore
grid going unstable after isolating the lost power station
rather than the actual power loss from the Senoke.  I may be wrong 
though.

>Massive power failure hits West Malaysia
>----------------------------------------
>A massive power failure hit most parts of Peninsular Malaysia yesterday
>after lightning damaged the Telok Kalong sub-station at Kemaman in
>Terengganu.

This is not the first time a sub-station took the whole grid
down.  It seems that the Malaysian National grid is pretty 
suspect when it comes to transient stability.  A good grid
should be able to isolate the sub-station, but might run 
at a voltage and frequency slightly out of normal.

>PUB: Not Singapore's fault
>--------------------------
>The New Straits Times, a Malaysian newpaper, yesterday quoted an unanmed
>Malaysian source attributing the power failure in malaysia to Senoko's
>link to the Sultan Iskandar power station in Pasir Gudang, Johor.

This can be possible - if a sub-staion can trip the national grid, 
a power station isolation will definately cause instabilities.

>THe NST said a generator in the Johor station tripped after Singapore
>sought and was given power following the Senoko breakdown.

This sounds a bit suspect - A power feed usually cannot cause the 
whole grid to come down.

>She said that Singapore's power failure did not affect the blackouts in
>malaysia, adding that the power supplies of each country ran
>independently of each other, although Senoko and the Johor station are
>linked by land and submarine cables.

If two grids are joined then they must run in synch.  In that 
sense, both power supplies are not independent.  Otherwise,
why link them up in the first place.

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