From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Questionable Nature of Dr. Len Howard as a Source
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:17:23 GMT


The following citation of Dr. Len Howard would seem to be
a valid use of Scientific Data from an Expert Currently
Working in the Field. And as Such MIGHT lead some persons Astray.

I have Argued with Dr. Len Howard in regards to the Matter of
In Vitro Fertilization (IVF) and the Implications of the notion
of "Person from Conception" establishing a CLEAR INDICTMENT against
the Medical Professioon, and those Involved with IVF as Genocidal Murders.

Dr. Len Howard Sought to defend himself from this Charge
on the grounds that the Medical Profession does NOT hold
to the notion of "Person from Conception" and those does not
see the disposal of PersonsInThePetriDish as Genocidal Murder.

The Recent Ruling in Misourri that allowed AntiAbortionists to
walk on their Trespassing Charges was based upon the Fact that
Science had CLEARLY established the notion of "Person from Conception" 
as the basis upon which said AntiAbortionist had acted to
protect the life of a Person.

It Follows therefore, that Dr. Len Howard, as a GenocidalMassMurder,
by his own admissions, in regards to the matter of IVF, should NOT
be presumed to be a Valid Source of Information. It is Clear that
the Medical Profession stands against the "Facts of Science" as clearly
revealed in the Courts of Missouri!!!!

I would also Request that Any Citation of "Sceintific Evidence" be
seriously scrutenIzed for Potential AntiStateTerroristTendencies and
AntiStateAgitationalElements, so that we do NOT allow those Renegade
Elements of the KulturaleEleete to infect the thinking of Innocents
with their Dangerous Thinking!!!!!

I can Likewise Only Hope that Dr. Len Howard will Seek the Full
Apology of the Assembled MultiTudes, and Confess His GUILT as
a GenocidalMassMurder, AntiStateTerrorist, and an AntiStateAgitationalElement.
Not To Mention Opposing the TrueLegalDefinitionsOfScience as
Laid out by the Court in Missouri. Then After He has Undergone
ReEducation, and ReHabilitation, we can only hope that he will
NOT fall victim to WrongThink Again.

garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
] 
] The following quote is from Dr. Len Howard, posted here recently.
] 
] "According to the 17th edition of Williams Obstetrics, one of the three
] positive signs of pregnancy is identification of the fetal heart
] action separately and distinctly from that of the woman.  The three
] methods of identification of fetal heart rate are auscultation with a
] fetoscope, by use of the dopler principle with ultrasound, and by the
] use of sonography.  The heart beat of the fetus can be detected by
] auscultation with a stethoscope by 17 weeks gestation, on average, and
] by 19 weeks in almost all pregnancies.  Fetal cardiac action can be
] detected with appropriate doppler equipment almost always by the 10th
] to 12th week of gestation.  Echocardiography can be used to detect
] fetal heart action as early as 48 days after the first day of the last
] menstrual period.  Real time sonography can be used to detect fetal
] heart action and fetal movement after the second month of pregnancy." 
] 
] Susan

In Light of the Above, Ms. Garvin, do you still wish to use
the above Data, KNOWING that it has been hideously and 
Heinously Tainted By A KNOWN GenocidalMassMurderer and
AntiStateTerrorist!!!!

Are You willing to be Held Liable for AntiStateAgitation by
supporting this Clearly Discredited Source!!!!!

You HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!

ciao
drieux

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