HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Bob's idea about a standard news package
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:23:15 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu () writes:
[...]
: BTW, while we're on the subject, what is the major difference
: between cnews and wnews?  I'm told that cnews is almost the
: de facto standard these days.

Wnews is a rewrite of the B-News system, which was originally done
for Minix and ported later to Coherent. The major difference is that
you can't feed other systems with Wnews. Other differences:
- It's more portable because entirely written in C.
- It's very easy to install.
But you are right, Cnews is the de facto standard today.
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From: pred@iitmax.iit.edu (Predrag S. Bundalo)
Subject: Re: Best news systems & readers enquiry
Organization: IIT--Institute of Increasing Tuition.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 03:54:06 GMT

In article <9209011040.AA02444@dalek.mwc.com> "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet> writes:
>>
>> I just spent a good deal of time getting all of GNEWS ported to
>> work on Coherent 4.0.1.  It is a lot faster than the 286 version
>> and I have kicked up the number of newgroups to 1024 (user
>> configurable) and the length of the news.group.name to 60 (also
>> user configurable).  I use TASSgn to read and It works great
>> under 386 and is fast.  Yet all of this code is very small.
>>
>> Give me a few more weeks of running and I will upload the new
>> news SW to mwcbbs.

I suggest you don't do that.  Before Mr. Mendleson's "departure" from this
newsgroup, he specifically requested that people stop using his software.

Although this is a 9-year-old's attitude, I think we need to respect his
request.

>I really hadn't thought Gnews was well-liked given the flame war of many
>months ago. I had not given serious consideration to it for an
>'installable news distribution' for fear of refanning the flames and
>Geoffrey's request to pull his posting from mwcbbs.

Agreed.

>Over the past few days, I've concentrated mainly on wnews as both a 286 and
>386 (with separate 2/386 binaries) distributable news package, with vn and
>tass as the readers, with plans to delve into nn and tin as time permitted.
>I will wait for a 4.0 specific cnews to come along before I look at that one.
>I believe that there will plenty of room on a single floppy for all
>of this, and that there will also be room for gnews.

If it's true that wnews does not support feeding other sites, then I think
a lot of people will have to try and install cnews for themselves.

What do you mean, "I will wait for a 4.0 specific cnews to come along . . ."?
Does this mean you're waiting for someone to port the performance release?

To those of you working on this port: if you've given up on it, let me know;
I'm willing to give it a shot.

Pred Bundalo
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: tbuck@teal.csn.org (Timothy E. Buchanan)
Subject: various ?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:24:54 GMT

I just tried to do a cpio back-up and it failed. I typed-
find . -type f -print |cpio -oc >/dev/fva0 after shutdown and sync, from
the / dir, as in the Coho manual. It ran a while with the 0 drive light
on, then that light went out while the hard drive light ran awhile then
that went out with the console saying 21463 blocks.
 
Well I'm pretty sure 11 megs weren't copied to one 1.44 floppy. Why did
it not prompt me for another floppy? The drive is a 130 Meg Maxstor IDE.
I hope this is some simple error of mine and not a compatibility
problem.
 
I read what Karl Sarnow said about Coho and netnews and I want to say
Amen to that. It has taken me (and a lot of help from others, thanx)
several weeks to sort of get uucp and mail working. Now it seems to
install a newsfeed I must become a make, sed, and awk guru?
 
I don't want to rewrite scripts and rebuild makefiles; I want to read
and post news. My Coho setup is just as it installed itself. Can I not
get some binaries and scripts to work with that? Installing should
involve making dirs, setting your uucpname, domain, lists of newsgroups
and like that, not linking libraries, rewriting scripts wholesale.
 
Special question for Udo- yousay that Wnews is "much easier to install
than Cnews". Would it be on the order I outlined above, and if so where
could I anonymous ftp it?
 
A uucp question- I tried this
uucp csn!~/ftp/CSN/FAQ /tmp which should have copied the FAQ file on
site csn to /tmp on my system, I think. It dialed, then my uulog says
"No Permission to write file /tmp/FAQ". Does this mean that csn is
thinking I want to write the file to /tmp on its filesystem?
 
I tried uucp csn!~/ftp/CSN/FAQ tbucks!/tmp and
uucp csn!~/ftp/CSN/FAQ !/tmp but in each case Coho said site unknown.
Ideas?
 
Timothy.
From: GREGL@DELPHI.COM (Greg Law)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Coherent and Keyboards
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:04:49 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

I apologize for wasting bandwidth with this, but while hearing the
various problems with Coherent and various keyboards I happened to run
across some source code I had written years ago that reports the scan
codes sent by the keyboard via direct hardware manipulation. Alas, it
uses Set 1 scan codes (ala generic MS-DOS and clones) and I can't find any
information on how to set the keyboard into Set 3 mode. If you any of know
how to do this, I'll modify my source and provide it to anyone that asks
for the asking. And I apologize for my typing today. . . I'm all out of
steam and the coffee pot's dry. :-)

	-- Greg
From: sjsobol@tiny.com (Steven J. Sobol)
Reply-To: sjsobol@tiny.com (Steven J. Sobol)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: News System for Coherent.
Organization: The Tiny Software Company, Main Office, Cleveland, Ohio
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 92 23:47:45 

karl@dadoka.h.ni.schule.de (Karl Sarnow) writes:

>of uucp. To make me a full satisfied user of Coherent 4.0, I need a 
>Newssystem. I know, there is a lot of Software around in Cohware.
>But the problem with Cohware is, that nobody seems to take the time
>to give the software easy to handle shell scripts.

I have found, especially with my news software, that I have had to make
many small changes to get rn/wnews to work. And still there are some bugs.

Example:
If I use Pnews, and type my article and then suggest 'list', Pnews quits after
listing the article, instead of sending me back to the 'Send, abort, edit,
list?' prompt. I cannot get back into rn after running a sub-shell, either.

Doesn't anybody check this stuff before posting it?

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: Best news systems & readers enquiry
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 08:10:34 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:

> kilroy@acme.gen.nz wrote:
>  
> >As far as what software, I'd recommend the current Coherent-ported release of
> >C News, in terms of robustness and reliability I've found it to be excellent.
>  
> This is completely contradictory to my experience with the Coherent
> "port" of cnews.  I followed the directions to the letter and it simply
> does not work.  I challenge anyone to try to run that cnews port
> according to the installation instructions.  Perhaps it is workable
> if you are an experienced programmer and you do a bit of hacking at
> installation time, but unfortunately I am not proficient enough to
> do that.

You're right in that respect, the "port" of C News is not complete (some
people who claim to be porting software to Coherent appear to do things like
use dmake or something which throws off those of us with fairly MWC-only
systems) and did need a lot of work to get running in the first place. But:
once you get it going, C News is great.

I'm not an experienced programmer either - everything I know about un*x and
C I've learnt in the last 12 months playing with Coherent. I've found that
sitting down with the manual and a tricky port, while a slow and often
frustrating process at the time, in the end is a great way to learn things.
Trying to get C News running taught me a lot about the shell and sed.

No, for the sort of self-installing "beginners" package we're discussing
here, we'd have to do further work on C News to get it to an acceptable state,
but at that point we'd have a very reliable news system.

> Re: cnews performance release
>  
> Wouldn't it make more sense to port this to Coh 4.0 than try to
> hack the old cnews to work?

Definitely, but for the beginner's news system being discussed here we want
something that runs on 3.2 as well. Is anyone porting the performance release
to Coherent 286?

						- k
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Xref: sparky comp.os.coherent:4065 comp.unix.sysv386:13654
From: lauther@ztivax.UUCP (Dr Ulrich Lauther)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: fopen +a vs. +r bug or feature?
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:40:13 GMT
Reply-To: lauther@ztivax.siemens.com (Ulrich Lauther)
Organization: Siemens, ZFE BT SE 14

When I open a file via fopen(filename,"+a"), then fseek to the first byte
of the file and try to read, I get EOF under Coherent, under SCO Unix it
works.
If I use +r instead of +a, it works on both systems.
Who is right?

BTW, above sequence is used in the AT&T Korn shell to access the history
file and leads under Coherent to failure to recognize that file.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: thigpen@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Keith Thigpen)
Subject: Re: Best news systems & readers enquiry
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:42:20 GMT

bob@dalek.mwc.com (Bob Hemedinger) writes:

>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I don't wish to start a war but I would be grateful for opinions concerning
>> the most desirable news systems and news readers which are relatively
>> easy to configure and run with Coherent 3.2; I'm saving up for a \486.
>>

>A personal 2 cents worth:

>If a general consensus can be reached in comp.os.coherent about what the
>prefered news package combo is, or perhaps a couple of prefered news
[lines deleted]
>of feedback about what should/should not be considered for this. I have
>little personal experience with news software myself (I had used Gnews for
>a while, but have been relying on the feed from IndyServe for several
>months to read/reply to comp.os.coherent) and would rely heavily on this
>group for suggested configurations. Let me make it absolutely clear that
>this would be a personal undertaking and MWC would not be actively supporting
>this. Besides, sleeping at night seems such a waste of precious time...

First, I think that this is an excellant idea, and commend you for your
public spriritedness (sp?). I've been using un*x for a while, but honestly
have NO idea about how to make mail work.

>When making suggestions, please remember that 3.x users must also
>be accomodated, so nn and tin are not feasible for them. I would think,
>however, if the binaries are small enough, installable disks could be
>built which could accomodate nn and tin for 4.0 users and alternate
>packages for 3.x users. I would prefer to not make Gnews available
>for consideration, but if enough of you press for it, I can be as spineless
>as any politician and change my position on this.

My request is that 4.0 users be accomodated. Although coh386 users are prolly
in the minority now, that situation is bound to change in the near future,
and why not go ahead and plan for it?

>To me, this seems simpler than watching the almost daily messages
>about what newsreaders to use and the problems of bringing up readers that
>worked under 3.x to 4.0 (from scratch) and could reduce traffic
>in this area. What do you think? Reply to this group or bob@mwc.com.

I vote for elm and nn!

Keith

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From: antoonm@relay.nluug.nl
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: coh 4.0.1 / keyboards
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:59:01 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

I am having the smae problem as reported earlier after installing (updating)
to Coherent 4.0 with my keyboard.

Although I have a CHERRY keyboard ( was tested OK according to the
installation manual ) it swaps ths CTRL and ALT keys, the NUMLOCK is replaced
by the ESCAPE key and I don't know where the capslock went...

We all face the same problem, do we all have the same keyboard ??

Who has a 'clone' keyboard that works well ?

regards, antoon milatz, sun4nl!tekeur!antoonm
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Installing Elm (a problem) on Coh 4.0
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:22:35 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu () writes:
: I just tried to install the version of Elm posted in the incoming32
: directory at Raven.  (Actually, I tried to install it on a Sun 3
: first as a test using SunOS 4.1.1..but I digress <grin>)
: 
: There seems to be a file missing and the "sh Configure" command
: give me the following error (and then exits):
: 
: First let's make sure your kit is complete.  Checking...
: awk: can't open config.h.SH
:  record number 4785
: 
: Any ideas?  Since Comb no longer works, I have to get some sort of
: mailer up and running.... :-)

Looks like the distribution from MWCBBS isn't complete. However, to
install elm under Coherent 4.0 you don't need config.h.SH because
the Configure script doesn't run under Coherent's sh.
Because I've done the elm port for my selfe I could email you the
missing files, but you also could get them from any ftp/mail server
which has elm.
Also there is no need to test elm using a SUN, it just runs fine
under 4.0, I'm using it several weeks now and comb is gone to
/dev/null (after I've made some fast hacks for 4.0:-)
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley)
Subject: Re: Upgrading to 4.0.1
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:36:39 GMT
Keywords: dos*

In article <1SEP199217391294@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov> batchelor@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Dave Batchelor, NSSDC, 301-286-2988) writes:
>I received my upgrade disks for v4.0.1 a week and a half ago, and exercised
>them right away.  The 2nd disk was not a clone of the 1st (a problem oft
>reported in this news group).  I upgraded from v3.2.1 with no apparent
>problems. 
...
>Another minor complication: the dos* set of new commands worked on diskette
>drives A: and B: but said they were unable to open /dev/at0a .  For instance
>I tried "dosdir c:/" and got the "can't open..." message.  I had already
>modified /etc/default/msdos to define the C: drive alias, as the COHERENT
>manual directs.  Before I phoned MWC, I checked whether the Superuser could
>access C: and voila!  So with this info, I called MWC, and was told the fix:
>login as root, chmod 666 /at0a
>This is not toooo mysterious in hindsight, but for the novice, not obvious in
>foresight...;-)

I don't know if you want everyone to be able to read and write your DOS 
partition.  

Correct me if I am wrong here, but: if /dev/at0a is mode 666, the anyone who
logs in can just type "cat garbage > /dev/at0a" which will trash your DOS
partition.

I leave my /dev/at0a as read/write only for root.  I know the root passwd and I
can type "su root dosdir c:" which takes alittle longer but lets me sleep 
better.

Harry
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From: alf@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Help: Track Flagged Bad errors
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:02:07 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Lo' all,
   Sorry if this is an FAQ, but I wasn't able to find it or an answer. And being
that I'm new to Coherent, I don't understand the UN*X internals.  This has
been bothering me for sometime now, and would really like to have it cleared
up.  After getting my 3.2.1 coherent system up and running fine,  I get the
following error on the console.

at0c: bno=xxxx head=y cyl=zzz <Track Flagged Bad>

Where the x,y, and z values change with each given episode.

It seems this only happens when there is a big IO load on the system, ie.
uucico running, news running, and uuxqt kicking in.  I used to have this
problem with 3.2.0, and talked to MWC tech support.  They informed me to
upgrade to 3.2.1, which I've done.  Now I still get these errors.  If I
shutdown the system (If sync or shutdown is not on the bad track) and reboot
the system, everything runs fine.  Or at least until it happens again.  Has
anyone else seen this error??  And/or what is causing this to happen??  These
errors are making my system almost usable for the long term.... Rebooting every
few hours makes it rough to run a productive system. Oh here's the config I'm 
running....

DEC 386sx, 16Mhz
1 Meg mem
124 meg Seagate 1144A HDA
w/ 55 meg devoted to Coh.

Thanx, any help is greatly appreciated!!!

+--------------------------
|John Goldsworthy
|alf@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu   or   johng@trib1.uucp
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From: sxjcb@orca.alaska.edu (Jay C. Beavers)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Raven to carry new MWCBBS files
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:30:28 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.coherent
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network


To anyone downloading files from MWCBBS for the purpose of uploading them
to Raven, don't bother.  MWC has just called me confirming that they are
putting the finishing touches on the MWCBBS distribution disks and they'll
be shipping them shortly.  So, give it another two weeks or so and
hopefully Raven will have lots of new files for people to play with.

(And don't forget to mention to any MWC staff you may talk to that you
appreciate their support of Raven, other FTP sites, and the various UUCP
BBS's around.  Some of them really don't think many people use FTP.)

 - jcb
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: news help
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 00:56:15 GMT
Reply-To: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit)
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

tbuck@teal.csn.org (Timothy E. Buchanan) writes:

> Bob, please! First, cnews which has a simple newsreader I believe, 
> then one of the more complete newsreaders such as rn or nn, then elm.

I looked at the newsreader that comes with C News (rna) and attempted to
build it. I was unable to get it working and didn't bother spending the time
on it, I don't know if anyone's had any more luck with it.

						- k
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: spierk@colossus.cs.rpi.edu (Kevin L. Spier)
Subject: Coherent 4.0.1 problem...
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:44:06 GMT

OK here is the deal. I installed Coherent 4.0.1 (from scratch with
multiboot option) on a machine with the following configuration:
386dx-33 motherboard with 64K cache, a Maxtor 7060A IDE drive, Oak
256K vga card, 2 serial ports, 1 parallel port. When I booted the
machine (from power off state) everything was fine (single partition
for Coherent which is the entire disk) and it went multi-user and I
got the Coherent 386 login prompt. I noticed that when I went over to
the machine later the message "at0: TO" was being continuously printed
to the screen and the keyboard was unresponsive. What is this and what
does it mean? I have logged in and done things, played with uucp and
downloaded stuff from mwc and all worked well. The hard disk is fine
(I check it out with a diagnostic tool I have which is self booting
from a floppy). Anybody have a clue???

Kevin

Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: lentz@gandalf.ca (Jim Lentz (Wheeling Tech Support))
Subject: Re: Clone keyboard works...
Organization: Gandalf Data Ltd.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:22:01 GMT

 My Compudyne keyboard does not work!

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: scholten@esseye.si.com (David Scholten)
Subject: SLFP mode for KA9Q
Organization: Smiths Industries
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:14:07 GMT


I got the latest KA9Q code from RAVEN and realized that the SLFP
parts were not ported.  Is ANYBODY working on this?  If not,
I'm going to.  Or at least get something coordinated with others.

PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

Thanks,
Dave Scholten
Xref: sparky comp.os.coherent:3801 comp.mail.uucp:1677
From: GREGL@DELPHI.COM (Greg Law)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: disk quotas/tape backup
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:57:45 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

Bill Pechter writes:
> Also - anyone out there have specs and info on the QIC-02 command set and
> register stuff? I've got a Genoa 3200 Galaxy tape unit (Archive QIC-36)
> drive -60 mb- with QIC02 interface adapter and a Genoa QIC02 interface
> to my pc. The drive is standard - but the interface doesn't use the
> Archive driver or a Wangtec driver under BSD...

I don't have the QIC02 specs, although I do have the QIC-40, QIC-80,
QI-107, QIC-117, and QIC-122 specifications. These cover the low-level
tape format, interface, command set, and compression specifications for
QIC-40 and QIC-80 drives. If you need the specifications manuals, pick
up the phone and call (805) 963-3853. I called and the specifications
were sent to me free of charge. . . can't beat that. :-)

	-- Greg
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent