HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fsjfz@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: employment in Alaska
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:31:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.061635.11967@raven.alaska.edu>, floyd@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Floyd Davidson) writes:
> In article <1NHqVB2w165w@freds.cojones.com> system@freds.cojones.com (George W. Hayduke) writes:
>>
>>Anyone on the Elmendorf Internet sites reading this? I know you're out there,
>>even if you can't confirm or deny it.
> 
> Don't know if anyone really cares, but it happens that I'm absolutely
> positive that both the Army and AF bases in Anchorage and Fairbanks,
> and the Army at Ft. Greely, have milnet access, which means they can
> in fact access the Internet.
> 
> However...  here is the fun part.  I bet there aren't more than three
> individuals (I don't know of even ONE anymore) who you could address
> email to and expect that they would actually log into a computer and
> read it.
> 
> And as far as usenet, not for a long time.  They don't know it exists.
> 
> Floyd

The people at my Marine Reserve company (located aboard Elmendorf) do have
Milnet and Internet access, but they tend to follow the use regulations rather
closely.  Usnet isn't an official function, and so therefore not used.  They
can send and recieve Internet e-mail however, and log on every day to do so. 
At least as far as the Marine Corps is concerned, quite a bit of daily business
is conducted via e-mail, mostly administrative tasks, etc.

The first two numbers for Elmendorf AFB Internet/Milnet addresses are located
in a big data base i found looking through the library files here on Acad3, but
the data base didn't list any specific users (presumably an official user would
know the complete address.)  I don't know about Air Force use regulations or
how strictly they are enforced, but i wouldn't hold my breath for any kind of
discussion from military sites not specifically authorised to have outside
contact.


James Zuelow
FSJFZ@acad3.alaska.edu
From: floyd@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Floyd Davidson)
Subject: Re: Anti-Texan Sentiment
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:18:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.182417.29559@adobe.com> vmarsch@adobe.com (Vonn Marsch) writes:
>done a lot to shape how I see civilization.  When I was growing up, I used
>to be obsessed with the idea of civilization -- in the sense of big cities.
>I used to dream about, draw about and fantisize about endless urban 
>landscapes.  Anchorage didn't seem big enough, or civilized enough (two
>concepts I had equated at the time.)  Now, after having lived in or around
>Boston, New York, Seattle, and San Francisco, my concept of civilization
>has changed.  When I say that Alaska is not civilized enough, I don't mean
>that it needs more roads, office complexes, malls, and the like.  It needs
>more civilized people.  


Hmmm.   There must be a good shrink were you live now?  :-)

Darn, when I got here I thought all the people I met were civilized.
Then I moved to the Fairbanks area and found out they aren't...

Floyd
-- 
floyd@ims.alaska.edu        A guest on the Institute of Marine Science computer
Salcha, Alaska              system at the University of Alaska at Fairbanks.
From: gauss@cco.caltech.edu (Edward J. Gauss)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Juneau, was I love Alaska!
Date: 18 Dec 1992 12:14:23 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

In article <Bz0DJt.2wt@mail.boi.hp.com> jburrill@boi.hp.com (Jim Burrill) writes:
>:
>Juneau has some form of precipitation 300 days a year...
>....... Is there any employment base, other than the state offices?
>

Nearly all people in Juneau work in government or in the lobby groups
that enjoy the splendid isolation that keeps the Alaskan citizen far
removed from their legislators.  It is a paradise for well funded special
interest groups.  Women are much in demand for secretarial/clerical jobs
but there is no work for men.  I would guess that the sex ratio for singles
in Juneau is very heavily skewed toward female.  Nonetheless the shortage
of female workers makes the salaries for them rather high.  So fellows,
let your wife work.  You go fish salmon, and hunt bear!  Insist on
having your kitchen redone by my friend Eric there.  He needs the work.


                         --Ed
                          Fat Moose Flying Service, retired
 
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: fsjfz@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Speaking of Employment
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:56:14 GMT

In article <10DEC199216084184@elroy.uh.edu>, lib1p@elroy.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
> Speaking of Employment.....
> 
> My husband is an electrician by trade.  He was trained by the US Navy.
> His specialty is in power generation.  He was responsible for the 
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Just this summer, the Bristol Bay Borough was accepting resumes for their
powerplant manager position.  The best thing for him to do (and yourself) is to
obtain regular copies of the Anchorage Daily News and the Fairbanks Daily News
Miner.  By reading the classifieds in both papers, you can send resumes, etc.
(the BBB position has been filled)  Shipping companies based in Seattle and
Bremerhaven WA might also be a good place to look for maritime work.  There are
several barge lines that maintain full time staff in Anchorage year round.

Of course, you would do that for *any* long distance move if you needed to have
a job waiting when you got there.  Please don't come up here hoping to find
something... (you knew that, i'm sure)

James Zuelow
FSJFZ@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: wisner@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Bill Wisner)
Subject: Re: employment in Alaska
Organization: Trailing Edge Technologies, Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:39:14 GMT

There are definitely MILNET sites at Elmendorf AFB, Eielson AFB and
Fort Wainwright.

Believe it or not, for several months in 1991 there was a registered TAC
user at Elmendorf by the name of Wisner.

w.
From: 154s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mona Hatfield)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: SITKA
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:16:30 GMT
Reply-To: 154s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mona Hatfield)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


Also, is a 4-wheel drive car necessary there.  We will be driving from
Maryland and everything I've read speaks of roads that I am not use
to.  We will be leaving in March and have to report in Sitka in April.

Again, any help/advise will be greatly appreciated.

Mona Hatfield
From: gauss@cco.caltech.edu (Edward J. Gauss)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Re: Questions from a green horn
Date: 15 Dec 1992 02:19:31 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

In article <1992Dec14.192602.5154@mcs.anl.gov> shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer) writes:
>
>Are there parts of the state where farming is possible ...?

If you pick your crop right, say cabbages, you plunk in the seeds and stand
back.  June gives you 22 growing hours each day.  By August you should 
easily have a big fat head.  While I doubt that the University Museum 
still has any copies for sale, try to get ahold of the obscure publication
"Growing the Giant Alaskan Cabbage" which was published by the Fat Moose
Publishing Company.

Corn and tomatoes are greenhouse crops. Field potatoes are grown by the ton,
as are peas.  At least there used to be a quick freeze plant for peas near
Palmer at one time.  Any of the kohl family does well (brocolli, etc.)

All of that sunlight produces sugars instead of starchs in the carbohydrate
formation and so your cabbage will be sweet and not bitter.  The kraut
from it might be better called "cheerfulkraut instead of saurkraut"!

                           Ed Gauss, only winner of the Giant Cabbage
                              Contest at both the Matanuska and Tanana
                                 Valley Fairs.

ps:  For information on giant turnips you might try a quiry to George,
gauss@leland.standford.edu.  The Fairbanks News-Miner once printed a
a picture of him holding a 25 pound turnip that he grew.
turnip that he grew.


Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: wisner@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Bill Wisner)
Subject: Re: employment in Alaska
Organization: Trailing Edge Technologies, Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:45:10 GMT

Actually, Floyd, Polsky's right.  I know of at least one netwise person
at Elmendorf who reads USENET.

w.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: floyd@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Floyd Davidson)
Subject: Re: employment in Alaska
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:29:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.033914.5035@raven.alaska.edu> wisner@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Bill Wisner) writes:
>There are definitely MILNET sites at Elmendorf AFB, Eielson AFB and
>Fort Wainwright.

Ft. Greely and Ft. Richardson too.  Sheesh, you can telnet into an
internet site somewhere and get a list of all the active hosts too.
It looks real interesting, but its much more like a joke if you 
happen to have someone who can tell you what each site actually is
and what it does...  (If anyone emails me with a direct question
about Eielson AFB I can definitely get an answer.  About Elmendorf
AFB I might, and the others it is unlikely but possible.)

>Believe it or not, for several months in 1991 there was a registered TAC
>user at Elmendorf by the name of Wisner.

He probably had the audacity to read usenet via milnet too.


Floyd

-- 
floyd@ims.alaska.edu        A guest on the Institute of Marine Science computer
Salcha, Alaska              system at the University of Alaska at Fairbanks.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: z8tah@zohar.gsfc.nasa.gov (Theresa A. Held)
Subject: vacation
Reply-To: z8tah@calvin.gsfc.nasa.gov 
Organization: NASA/GSFC NCCS
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:05:06 GMT

I am interested in taking a vacation in Alaska in '93.  
I will be either traveling alone or with an older relative.
My interests lean more to rural/country than city. AN
example I went to Australia a couple of years ago and
we went on the weekly mail plane into the outback.

I am looking for information about package tours.  I
would like to find something a little unordinary.
Sorry, I realize that's not a lot to go on......
I haven't been anywhere in the state so everything
would be new for me.

If anyone knows where I can get some good uptodate 
info or a good travel agent please e-mail me.

Thanks in advance.

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Theresa A. Held         
              A dog - A heart beat at my feet - Edith Wharton 
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer)
Subject: Questions from a green horn
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:26:02 GMT


Knowing next to nothing about Alaska I am curious about one thing.
Are there parts of the state where farming is possible (i.e. long
enough growing season)? How about gardens?

				mike
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
From: randy@raven.alaska.edu (Randy Hayman)
Subject: Re: dividends
Reply-To: randy@raven.alaska.edu (Randy Hayman)
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:29:09 GMT

terrylee@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Patricia M Currier) writes:
|>
|>
|>I need the number for the dividend office, preferably in Fairbanks.
|>Can anyone help me?  I lost my form booklet, and they appear to have
|>lost my dividend. 
|>
|>Thanks,
|>terrylee@wpi.wpi.edu
|>-- 
|>======================================================================
|>==========
|>And the #1 difference between WPI and Hell is...  
|>|terrylee@wpi.wpi.edu
|>                                                   |
|>     "You wouldn't tell a friend to go to WPI."    |Patricia Currier
|>


Well, they don't get forwarded out of state, so maybe you need to go to
the office in
person, when you get here, it's in the phone book.  You might also want
to have your
sponsor take care of this (if you are of that age), or just feel you are
SOoL.

Can't tell from your name any specifics, but your electronic address is
certainly Outside.


Randy
sxrmh1@orca.alaska.edu

PS. Another thing Alaskans hate (and I'm not saying Patricia is) is
Outsiders, and (other)
ineligable Alaskans collecting dividends.
From: system@freds.cojones.com (George W. Hayduke)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.alaska
Subject: Re: employment in Alaska
Date: 19 Dec 92 18:27:22 GMT
Organization: Radio Free Fredbox

wisner@hayes.ims.alaska.edu (Bill Wisner) writes:

> Believe it or not, for several months in 1991 there was a registered TAC
> user at Elmendorf by the name of Wisner.

Bizzare. During the Obligatory Phonebook Check (tm) during that ua.general
phonebook comparison thing, I found nary a Wisner in all of our fair (cough)
city.

Two Eric Olsons and one Erich Olson, tho.

More Ryans than I cared to count, and a damn near infinite smith:chang ratio.



      Fred Polsky v1.0, who has been known to handle under George.
            "This is Usenet. Facts are irrelevant here."
 The Fredbox +1 907 344 8437  system@freds.cojones.com  Anchorage, Alaska
Sean "Bandwidth" Ryan's favorite BBS, with lots of neat texts and lunatics.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.usenet
Subject: cd-roms and usenet
From: gallaghe@vax.sonoma.edu (Mycal)
Date: 14 Dec 1992 22:59 PST  
Distribution: world
Organization: Sonoma State University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    


Was there ever a resolution on the matter about people distributing net
news on cd-rom?

I have come across some cd's with items from the net on them, is this
legal?  

Just wonder'en about the legal side of this, any comments?

mycal


Newsgroups: alt.culture.usenet
From: bjork@telebit.com (Steven Bjork)
Subject: Becoming aware, was Re: A Paper..Social Forces..
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:29:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.131739.10972@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
 lmulcahy@nyx.cs.du.edu (Larry Mulcahy) writes:

>T-shirts that say "I missed something important on Usenet today"?  

You are always missing Important Information from what is Out There.

The thing about Usenet/Internet News/nntp is that having access
to it makes you aware of just how powerful information is to
today's society.

I eagerly await the day when yellow rags like [deleted] simply
fold since no one bothers to pay attention to their mis- or
non-reporting 'cause we can get our information elsewhere.

--Steven
Newsgroups: alt.culture.usenet
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (gogo is insane)
Subject: Who's Who of the InterNet
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 05:12:30 GMT



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WHO are you?

Hi.  I publish the FutureCulture FAQ file, which is a self-described
"somewhat definitive guide to resources bringing you the future."  It
is basically an ever-growing guide to the new edge, technoculture,
cybperculture, etc., particular the relevant on-line aspects of the
aforementioned subculture(s)

One of the sections is a "who's who" of on-line 'celebrities', and
appears in the file like this:

	V. Important Person		Musician/Author 
	John Q. NetPublic		Hacker/Writer

So, if you are someone who would like to be mentioned in the file (no
email addrresses are given out), or if you know of someone who you
feel garners recognition, please send relevant info. (including a
basic summary of credentials in-case I fall knowledge-impaired) to:

      ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu

I am looking for on-line people from all walks of life, including:
hackers (in the underground sense), writers, magazine editors,
artists, musicians, DJs, NetGurus, authors, or any other
characteristic that might seperate onesself from the mass.net.public.

Thanks in advance.

--

    ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu	        FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
    ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com		future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu

Newsgroups: alt.culture.usenet
From: radinsky@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Radinsky)
Subject: Re: cd-roms and usenet
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:40:36 GMT

gallaghe@vax.sonoma.edu (Mycal) writes:
> Was there ever a resolution on the matter about people distributing net
> news on cd-rom?
> 
> I have come across some cd's with items from the net on them, is this
> legal?  

My understanding is, when you post on USENET, people can do whatever
they want with it, i.e. it's totally publici-domain, unless you put a
copywright message on it stating otherwise.  This does NOT apply to
email, which is considered PRIVATE.  (And it's illegal to post
somethingthing somebody has mailed you w/out their permission).

I forgot what newsgroup I read that in.  These "legal issues" are
discussed somewhere...

Wayne, the anxious puppy
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: ozakaria@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Oki Zakaria)
Subject: Re: Perakit BI
Keywords: SAYUR ASEM, SATE, RENDANG, IKAN ASIN...
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:19:06 GMT

In article <lin9j9INNhrd@lovelady.cs.utexas.edu>, regius@cs.utexas.edu (Regius S. Gunawan) writes:
> In article <1gf0ueINN9r6@agate.berkeley.edu> tandean@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tandean Tekno) writes:
> 
> >Hm... I think two major points may emerge here. Who are the target we are
> >supposedly want to bring this Indonesian Computing environment to.... ?
> >General USERS or students/programmers??
> I thought this thread is on helping new students learn programming
> concepts.
>
Indonesian Computing environment? Wow, how nice. My dream is not quite
big, I just want Indonesian beginners in computing to have computers
that can be programmed with a language in Bahasa Indonesia.
 
> >I have in mind to create somekind of FSF for Indonesia.....  It'll be
> >neat since most people will have access to new technique/theory we
> >have learned here..
> Very good idea.  Of course some of us in the foundation have to learn

I will back up your move. A BP-2 compiler will be my first submission 
(along with the source codes) to the foundation. (I still need much more
knowledge to build it, but I will do it).

BTW, YPLG (Yayasan Perangkat Lunak Gratis) could be a good name, IMHO.
> 
> >-T2
> ^_^ regius ^_^

Oki
okidz@ccs.northeastern.edu

Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: prastowo@qucis.queensu.ca (Bambang Nurcahyo Prastowo)
Subject: Re: Perakit BI
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:27:39 GMT

Aduh, lupa sudah terhapus, tadi ada yang menayakan manfaat
rancangan bahasa prmrograman berbahasa Indonesia. Menurut
hemat saya, jika memang bisa dirancang mengikuti kaidah
perancangan bahasa pemrograman yang baik dan benar (nah!),
bahasa ini bisa dipakai sebagai bahasa pengajaran (teaching
language). Sekolah-sekolah di Amerika Utara banyak
memperkenalkan konsep pemrograman dengan bermacam bahasa.
Setahu saya kebanyakan menggunakan PASCAL. Tapi ada pula
yang menggunakan TURING (Waterloo dan Queen's) bahkan saya
dengar dari comp.edu ada juga yang memakai Scheme, NIAL,
Ada,...
Teman saya bercerita bahwa di beberapa institusi di Indonesia,
diajarkan BASIC I, BASIC II, BASIC III, FORTRAN I, FORTRAN II
dan seterusnya. Ruparupanya membuat program dalam BASIC atau
FORTRAN itu dianggap sebagai ilmu tersendiri.

Salam,
Bambang Prastowo
From: regius@cs.utexas.edu (Regius S. Gunawan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Perakit BI
Date: 12 Dec 1992 15:05:03 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: lovelady.cs.utexas.edu

In article <kf_NVjC00YUnJhN6Nt@andrew.cmu.edu> is08+@andrew.cmu.edu (Irianto Sukaton) writes:
>Getting back to the subject, to those in favour of creating an Indonesian
>Language compiler:
Not me, but I'll give a shot ^_^

>Would you consider a two-way preprocesssor (say between standard-c and
>indonesian-c) a step in right direction? The preprocessor would
>translate reserved words and structures (if and do blocks, case
>statements and other programming units).
Not in my oppinion.  If you redo the library as well, though ....  ^_^

>How complicated could it be to make this preprocessor (parser,
>really)? It could be promoted as a possible senior project for an
>undergrad (in Indonesia maybe?).
As was pointed out in another post, take gcc source; change all the
relevant lex and yacc source; rebuild.  I think you'll get a C compiler
with the reserved words of your liking.

>Concerning the general statement of communicating to a computer in Indonesian:
>I don't think it would be that difficult (conceptually) to: 1) Rename system
>commands. 2) Recompile system messsage and help files. It would probably
>be very tedious and the degree of success will vary across different O/S'.
>I think DOS or a stripped down version of UNIX could be a good starting
>point in this venture (just due to their exposure).
The point here is to make sure that whomever does this, keep his
'Indonesian' version up to date with whatever is out there.
If you can convince Bill Gates to make an Indonesian version of
MS-DOS, for example, you're in good shape.  ^_^

>Rouli
^_^ regius ^_^
Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: rallings@gidday.enet.dec.com (Kim Rallings)
Subject: Re: Introducing MANADO
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:28:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.123841.3474@nic.csu.net>, sulianto@babs.sfsu.edu (Lian &) writes...

>	Anyway, I was very interested when I read somebody posted news  
>about Manado. I was thinking, why don't each of us post something about
>our own area? We can include as many information as possible such as the  
>culture, art, famous tourist attractions, the facilities that are  
>available, transportation, etc. Perhaps by doing so, we will be able to  
>introduce Indonesia as a country with many cultures to other people who  
>don't know it or want to know it. 
>	Any response to this? Agree? Disagree? or ...?
> 

selamat

I agree with this, my husband and I have travelled around Indonesia and would
like to find out about other areas. We have been to Sumatra, Java and Bali.Our
favourite place is Bandung partly because I was an exchange student there
nearly ten years ago.Saya senang notes ini karena saya bisa latihan bahasa
Indonesiaku.

Kim


Newsgroups: alt.culture.indonesia
From: tjio@venice.sedd.trw.com (Lee Tjio)
Subject: Indonesian restaurant in S.F. bay are 
Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:10:38 GMT

I'm looking for any and all Indonesian restaurant in the San Francisco
bay area.  Please email if possible.  Thanks a million.

Lee