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From: urakawa@lynx.cs.washington.edu (Bryan Urakawa)
Subject: 4 1x9Meg SIMMS 80ns for sale
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering Dept., Univ. of Washington, Seattle
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 04:30:34 GMT

[ Article crossposted from uw.forsale ]
[ Author was Bryan Urakawa ]
[ Posted on Sat, 23 Jan 93 19:45:14 -0800 ]

[ Article crossposted from pnw.forsale ]
[ Author was Bryan Urakawa ]
[ Posted on Sun, 24 Jan 93 03:43:06 GMT ]

For sale:
	4 1Meg X 9  80ns SIMMS
	New, in antistatic package, never used.

	I bought more than I decided that I needed.  So please buy them.

	Asking:  $30 /piece obo

	Bryan


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(206) 525-8782

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University of Washington, Seattle
urakawa@lynx.cs.washington.edu
(206) 525-8782

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From: Graham_Watt@freemf.UUCP (Graham Watt)
Newsgroups: pnw.forsale,misc.forsale
Subject: Maxis Games for MAC
Distribution: world
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:13:26 PST
Organization: Not an Organization

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RoboSport for color/bw macs w/ box and all contents PLUS
     Upgrade from MAXIS  only a measly               $20.00

SimCity Supreme " " "
SimCity Graphics disk 1 (Ancient Asia, Medieval, Wild West)
                                        package deal $25.00

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or call after 6pm (206)-866-9418  leave voice mail for graham

these prices include me mailing them to you 1st class mail
so please email offers for some or all of these items.

 

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From: Graham_Watt@freemf.eskimo.com (Graham Watt)
Newsgroups: pnw.personals
Subject: Re: Somebody ask me out...
Distribution: world
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:34:29 PST
Organization: Not an Organization

In a message dated Wed 16 Dec 92  4:36, Aaronm@ccmail.orst.edu (mithran Aar
wrote:
 AA> Any males out there interested in going out with another male, namely
 AA> me?

 AA> If you are respond for details.
 AA> If you are not then respond anyway and tell me how sympathetic you
 AA> are.

Dear Aaron,
     Its really beautiful to hear the agonizing cries of desperation
from someone else besides myself.  I'm sorry I'm not a homosexual man,
but some problems know no boundries.  
Good luck and best wishes, a friend in the same boat.

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From: pnwp-579@onion.rain.com  
Subject: SWM seeks SWF
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Distribution: pnw
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:15:20 GMT

I must say I've gotten a kick out of reading these articles.
There's some really wild people out there!!

Myself, I am a bit more humble at heart.  I am 22, a grad student at the
U. and looking for some one (that's right, only one.. I'm one of the few
honest, modest men left!) to share good times and great coffee with.  And
I figure if you're clever enough to figure out how to get this message,
you are probably also smart enough to stimulate my mind in addition to the
rest of me. 
So.. if you're a SWF 19-25 prof/student type with a healthy attitude and
lifestyle.. drop me an email.  I'm waiting to hear from you!

This IS better than resorting to using The Stranger, right??





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From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Re: Emissions Inspections, is new really be
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:06:45 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
NNTP-Posting-Host: anthrax.solbourne.com

While reading article <1993Jan25.164106.20695@ncar.ucar.edu>, I noticed that
chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu said the following:
 >Cheap gas prices are creating a global economy.  And I don't think
 >a global economy is good.  I think that local economies are better.
 >I think buying a coffee table from a local craftsman is better than
 >getting the state of the art Swedish coffee table made from bula-bula
 >wood (don't view this as the typical "buy American"/"Pride in
 >America" attitude, that is not what I'm getting at).  Having
 >stuff shipped from all over the world is just another link that
 >can break down.  The price of everything suddenly becomes subject
 >to the price of gas.

I have the opposite attitude - I'm going to buy the best product from the
best company.  If the table from my local craftsman doesn't look as good and
isn't crafted as well as the "Swedish bula-bula wood" table, I'll purchase
the latter.

 >My opinion of Oil companies is irrelevant.  This seems to
 >exemplify the "let's just look at one side of the equation"
 >attitude.  When GNP goes up everybody goes "yeah".  GNP is
 >like looking at a P&L without the Stockholder's Equity section.
 >It doesn't show resource depletion.  Petroleum has a geoligic
 >renewal rate.

What's the point?  Resource depletion occurs.  It's not something that's not
taken into consideration.  Say you're making <n> dollars making a widget made
of <material>.  You also know that you're going to run out of <material> at
a certain point in time.  Do you blindly run your company as if there's an
infinite supply of <material>, or do you search for alternatives?

 >I consider going to a local pub and seeing a good local band a
 >higher-standard than going to see Eric Clapton at some large venue.
 >The things that some people believe are a "higher standard" are
 >really a lower standard.

Then that's your standard, you're free to choose.  If I drive into downtown
Denver (e.g. Continental, United Artists) to see a movie because I'm not going
to spend $6.00 to see a film at the ShoeBox 6, that's mine.
-- 
| William Kucharski, Solbourne Computer, Inc.     | Opinions expressed herein
| Internet: kucharsk@solbourne.com   Ham: N0OKQ   | are MINE alone, NOT those
| Snail Mail: 1900 Pike Road, Longmont, CO  80501 | of Solbourne Computer, Inc.
| President, "Just the Ten of Us" Fan Club        | "Dittos from Longmont, CO"
Newsgroups: co.general
From: woods@claven.ucar.edu (Greg Woods)
Subject: Re: Emissions Inspections, is new really better than old?
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:29:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan18.202556.18964@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
> In fact, current taxes _double_
>the cost of gas, and provide (I _think_) sufficient funds to cover
>related government spending.

Not if you include the military. Don't forget that almost our entire foreign
policy is based on using military force, or diplomacy backed by threat
of military force, to subsidize the oil industry.  Thus, overall the
government policies *do* serve to artificially lower the price of
gasoline at the expense of *all* US taxpayers.

--Greg

Newsgroups: co.general
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Emissions Inspections, is new really better than old?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:58:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.172908.14327@claven.ucar.edu> woods@claven.ucar.edu (Greg Woods) writes:
>> In fact, current taxes _double_
>>the cost of gas, and provide (I _think_) sufficient funds to cover
>>related government spending.

>Not if you include the military. Don't forget that almost our entire foreign
>policy is based on using military force, or diplomacy backed by threat
>of military force, to subsidize the oil industry.

This is absurd: A _small_part_ of our foreign policy is directed at
maintaining the flow of oil; but if this were the entire goal, why would
we care about non-oil producing nations (Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Germany,
Somalia, China, South Africa, Columbia, Panama, Cuba, etc...) Similiarly,
if the entire purpose of the US military was to protect the flow of
oil, why did the military select: The 120mm smothbore gun over the 105mm
rifled gun for the M1 tank (hint: The extra range of the 105mm was
considered irrelevant to a European war, since being able to see a target
beyond 2 miles is rare. The reverse decision would have been made, if
the military was planning on fighting in the Middle East.) Why is the
_weakest_ fleet in the US Navy the one stationed closest to the Middle
East, and the strongest (the Atlantic) in the worst position to fight
for oil. Why do we station so many troops in Europe and Korea, and so
few in the Middle East? Why have military transportation resources
and training exercises focused on returning forces to Europe? (And,
the the _months_ of transportation before the war with Iraq demonstrate
unsuited for a rapid use of force in the Middle East) I don't think
you can rationally claim the entire defence budget goes to subsidizing
oil production. I'm perfectly willing to include the cost of wars,
such as the one with Iraq, averaged over time, but that's under
$5 billion/year.

                                                  Frank Crary
                                                  CU Boulder
From: aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Re: Stripped of Civil Rights?
Date: 22 Jan 93 03:09:20 GMT
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.

In <bhayden.727504032@teal> bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden) writes:

>fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:

>This was an amendment to the Colorado constitiution, passed by 53%
>of the voters. My feeling is that if a court should ever defer on a law,
>it should be when it was passed by a majority of the voters. 

Ummm, suppose we passed a law that said we should take all the assets
away from people who had more than a million dollar net worth...  I'm sure
if it was cleverly proposed, a majority of voters would vote for it.
Does that make it a law we really want?  I disagree that a majority of
voters know what's best for all citizens.

>Your suggestion that governments prove that they benefit is utopian. 
>Sure, I agree that the government that governs the least governs the
>best. But, if you force the governent to prove that a new law is 
>beneficial, we would never (or almost never) have new laws. 

Most are "obviously" beneficial.  Those that aren't obvious get challenged.
I see that as it should be.
-- 

Andrew Burt 		   					  aburt@du.edu

"But if he was dying he wouldn't bother to carve "Aaaaargh", he'd just say it."
Newsgroups: co.general
From: gauss@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (GAUSS  REBECCA BANKER)
Subject: Apples, are you there?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:33:58 GMT


If you are reading this on an Apple II+, or similar beast, you could help
us very much.  The Boulder Weaver's guild has a membership file of about
2K bytes on an Apple II+ diskette.  We need somebody who can email it to
this account.  Alternatively a direct Apple to MS-DOS patch would be nice
as that is what we are attempting to do.  Who can help us?

                                      Ed Gauss
                     reply to         gauss@alumni.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: co.general
From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Emissions Inspections, is new really be
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:47:26 GMT

fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
>woods@claven.ucar.edu (Greg Woods) writes:
>>I think we are into an area here that is largely a matter of opinion,
>>but I believe that practically all of the problems associated with cars
>>are due to the fact that every individual has to drive. 
>
>Certainly, if hardly anyone drove, these problems would be reduced. 
>However, that doesn't make the extreme and sweeping solution the
>best one. The best solution, clearly, is the one that intrudes least
>on people's lives (unless you think the purpose of government is
>to control people and direct their lives, for their own good... Certainly
>our government was chartered and intended to intrude on individual
>rights and choices as little as possible.)

No, instead the government does a bunch of micro-policy bullshit.
They tell auto industry "your cars must get x MPG by 199y", large
cities say "today is a no burn day", instead of just getting at the
root of the problem, the price of gas.  If you raise the price of
gas, GM will put out efficient cars, people will car pool more,
mass transit will become more cost effictive.

>I'm not sure what will permanently solve these problems, but I think
>major, intrusive efforts (i.e. taxing gas to the point where no one
>can afford to drive) should only be used when we _know_ less repressive
>options will not work _and_ that some solution is vitally required.

Were not talking $5 a gallon.  We're talking about phasing in over a
number of years, with the idea that people & communities will start to
adjust.  So that William Kucharski can drive down to the Conteninal in
Denver, so I can go to Idaho to kayak, instead of on transportation of
Sweedish bula-bula wood tables.  Also keep in mind that transportation
is a built in cost of imported products.

>However, you don't always _need_ to address the root causes of the 
>problem: If the problem doesn't get worse, and the symptoms are 
>delt with, who cares about the root cause? (Would you worry about
>having a disease that wasn't contagious, didn't threaten your
>life or health, and had no noticable symptoms?)

No because the disease has not exceeded my basic requirments to
be a problem.  Gasoline has exceeded my basic requirements to
be a problem.  Remember when we run out of petrol we will need
to find a substitute for gas, plastics, & nylon, with what I would
expect to be a period of great instability.

--Chris
Newsgroups: co.ads,co.general,boulder.general
From: alex@csn.org (ALEX MATTHEWS)
Subject: House For Sale
Followup-To: co.ads
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:16:32 GMT

1040 sf, 3 BR, 1 bath ranch in Martin Acres subdivision in Boulder.  
Carport, vaulted ceiling in LR/DR, skylight in kitchen, sliding glass 
doors to large covered patio, recent kitchen renovation, nice 
hardwood floors, well-maintained.  Large fenced yard with combination 
of mature and recent landscaping.  Quiet neighborhood, but within
walking distance of schools, park, open space, shopping, Broadway 
bike path, bus stop.  $116,500.  By Owner. 

If you'd like more information, give me a call evenings between 6:30 and
9:00 at 494-5625, or see the photo in the February issue of Property 
By Owner magazine.

- Alex

(Followups to co.ads)
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                        Patricia Zonker, _Murdercycles_
From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Re: Emissions Inspections, is new really be
Date: 25 Jan 1993 12:14:47 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Distribution: co
NNTP-Posting-Host: anthrax.solbourne.com

While reading article <Jan22.185847.33362@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, I noticed that
freedman@cs.colostate.edu said the following:
 >you seem unconcerned about the environmental toll here.  Anyways, if
 >supply dwindles, we'll just tear up the alaskan wildlife refuge to get
 >the oil out of there.  We'll dig up the rest of the rocky mountains
 >to scrape all the coal out of there.  We'll increase off shore drilling
 >and pour more toxic cruid oil into the ocean (increasing the price
 >of fresh seafood, too).

I don't believe this will happen.  This seems to be the same "scare tactic"
used by anti-Amendment 1 folks (e.g. "Oh, no money for schools.  We'll
have to cut all extracurricular activities.  Never mind that we just hired
another administrator for $100,000/year.").  The American public as a whole
make some stupid decisions but they're not necessarily COMPLETE morons.

 >Secondly, the oil companies will not try to
 >produce alternative energy at today's gas prices, they'll charge only
 >slightly less (or even more) than what oil will cost THEN because people
 >will become accustom to paying high prices for energy and the energy
 >companies will just capitalize on that.

If people are willing to pay it.  It's called a "market economy."  If people
are willing and want to pay $3.00/gallon for their fuel of choice, charge 
$3.00/gallon.  If people would buy more at $1.00/gallon and you still make a
nice profit, the "oil" companies will charge $1.00/gallon.
 
 >(I think I'd rather the government
 >waste my money than have energy company executives buying large foreign
 >islands for personal pleasure with it).

Then by all means send YOUR entire income to the federal government and allow
them to do what they will with it.  I believe that if the president of a
company feels like buying a foreign island for fun, it's their income, they can
do with it what they want.
-- 
| William Kucharski, Solbourne Computer, Inc.     | Opinions expressed herein
| Internet: kucharsk@solbourne.com   Ham: N0OKQ   | are MINE alone, NOT those
| Snail Mail: 1900 Pike Road, Longmont, CO  80501 | of Solbourne Computer, Inc.
| President, "Just the Ten of Us" Fan Club        | "Dittos from Longmont, CO"
From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Re: Emissions Inspections, is new really better than old?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:17:06 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
NNTP-Posting-Host: anthrax.solbourne.com

While reading article <1993Jan25.172908.14327@claven.ucar.edu>, I noticed that
woods@claven.ucar.edu (Greg Woods) said the following:
 >Not if you include the military. Don't forget that almost our entire foreign
 >policy is based on using military force, or diplomacy backed by threat
 >of military force, to subsidize the oil industry.  Thus, overall the
 >government policies *do* serve to artificially lower the price of
 >gasoline at the expense of *all* US taxpayers.

The price of gasoline is based on the free flow of oil at market prices.  If
Saddam Hussein decides HE wants to set the world price of oil, then there's a
problem.  It isn't to "subsidize the oil industry" per se; while their sales
would drop dramatically it's no skin off their nose if the price of gas jumps
to $3.00/gallon.

But stop and think for a moment what something like that would do to the
economy.  Prices for any product you could name would go through the ceiling
due to increased transportation costs.  People would buy less, corportate
profits would fall, and workers would lose their jobs.  In general, economic
chaos and destruction.

So, "artificially lower the price of gasoline?"  Not really, just maintaining
prices at a level the market would normally dictate save any punitive taxes
imposed for financial or philosophical reasons, given a free flow of oil.
-- 
| William Kucharski, Solbourne Computer, Inc.     | Opinions expressed herein
| Internet: kucharsk@solbourne.com   Ham: N0OKQ   | are MINE alone, NOT those
| Snail Mail: 1900 Pike Road, Longmont, CO  80501 | of Solbourne Computer, Inc.
| President, "Just the Ten of Us" Fan Club        | "Dittos from Longmont, CO"
Newsgroups: co.general
From: era@csn.org ()
Subject: REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE
Originator: era@teal.csn.org
Keywords: Extremists, Christian Right, Amendment 2
Reply-To: era@csn.org ()
Organization: Citizens Project; Colorado Springs, CO
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:12:15 GMT

We of the Citizens Project (Colorado Springs, CO) are looking for people
who could assist us in re-distributing the Citizens Project Newsletter
to non-Internet computer services.  If you have an account on any such
services (CompuServe, FidoNet, Genie, Prodigy, America Online, and others)
and are willing to help us, please let us know via return email to
era@ncar.ucar.edu.

The Citizens Project is a Colorado Springs, CO - based group of volunteers
who seek to prevent extremists from eliminating our fundamental freedoms.
Colorado's Amendments 1 and 2 are the extremists' most obvious successes
to date.      
--
Ed Arnold * Boulder, CO * 303-497-1253(voice,weekday) * 303-494-6949(voice)
internet: era@csn.org * compuserve: internet:era@csn.org * bitnet: era@ncario
-- 
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internet: era@csn.org * compuserve: internet:era@csn.org * bitnet: era@ncario
Newsgroups: co.general
From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: Where is the real Colorado Ski Report??
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Distribution: co
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:45:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.022605.9536@colorado.edu>, kooros@refuge.Colorado.EDU (Paul T. Kooros) writes:
>     What happened to it?  Isn't it posted here anymore?

You can retrieve the Colorado Ski Report either:

1) by anonymous ftp to ncardata.ucar.edu, in the file weather/CO_ski.rpt

2) from the CU gopher, under the "Colorado Weather" menu

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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Emissions Inspections, is new really be
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 02:06:49 GMT

In article <Jan28.193828.77524@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> freedman@cs.colostate.edu writes:
>I can try to find the exact value.  However, since exxon can't eat such a
>large fine, the government has to subsidize the oil companies in at least
>this area.  Where do you suppose the money comes from?

I'm not at all sure the cost of the clean up even approached the
$50 billion figure under discussion. The money only has to come
from somewhere if it goes somewhere...

                                                   Frank Crary
                                                   CU Boulder
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