From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: John Birch Society
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:30:23 GMT

In article <1id1njINNf4s@im4u.cs.utexas.edu>, lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W.
Bledsoe) writes:

|>In article <1993Jan5.150712.29282@digi.lonestar.org> gpalo@digi.lonestar.org
|>(Gerry Palo) writes:
|>>This does seem like an unmodified   excerpt from something out of the
|>seventies
|>>or eighties.  It would be interesting to see how they interpret the events
|>>of the last few years.  Lance, what is JBS's take on the collapse of the
|>>Soviet Union with regard to communism and The New World Order?
|>>
|>>Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)
|>
|>Yes, I was also once a skeptic about these things. 

"The contrite convert gambit"

|> Unfortunately most
|>Americans don't really want to turn off the boob-tube long enough to do  
|>some research on their own. 

"The hidden knowlege gambit"

|> Some of the most interesting documents are 
|>the ones that were written many years ago.  Some of the people involved
|>in the quest to releive us of all our rights and freedoms (eg The Insiders),
|>have actually had the nerve to spell it out, word for word in various
|>books and papers.  The question is, will people actually take the time to    
|>read them?  A few of us have.

"The select few gambit"

|>I believe that most Americans are basically good-hearted people who
|>care, to some degree, about their fellow man.  They have no desire to
|>take over the world; they just want to go to work, make a living, and
|>spend time with their families.  But consider for a moment, that there
|>were a group of people so evil that the average American couldn't even
|>begin to know how or what they think.  A group so evil that they would
|>allow 50,000+ Americans die, for virtually no reason, in Vietnam.  A group
|>so evil that they would allow over 60,000,000 people to be killed in China
|>since 1945, or over 15,000,000 in Cambodia since 1960.

Hang on a sec... did the John Birch society oppose the Vietnam war???

|>After studying many books, and becoming more aware of our country's 
|>history, along with world history, I have come to the conclusion that
|>these people really DO exist.  And because I care about my fellow man,
|>I want others to know it too.  All any of us in the JBS want to do is
|>to provide the evidence to YOU to research yourself.  The truth is there,
|>if you will want to find it.

"The failure to agree is only due to failure to understand" gambit

|>With reguard to the Soviet Union.  I believe, and I think there is ample
|>evidence, that the removal of the Berlin Wall and the "collapse" of the
|>Soviet Union, were events that have been carefully planned out to lull
|>the American public into believing that the problem is gone.  This
|>is a very old tactic, I hope you won't fall for it.

The "quotation mark" gambit.

Plus the "don't fall for tactics, tactic.

|>There are several people, now in this country, that have come from
|>either the USSR or the Eastern Block that do nothing other than travel
|>around the US telling people that the "collapse of communisim" is all
|>a big sham.  That there are now more people in prison in Russia than 
|>before the "fall".  That when newspeople go to the USSR they are 
|>escorted only to specific places, and they cannot roam freely around the
|>country if they wanted.

Now that would be an achievement, to keep the system going whilst everyone
though it had collapsed. Obviously the authour has no idea about how power is
exercised - it is the illusion of power that is crucial. Without the illusion
there is no power.


|>  That one of the main reasons for the "collapse" is
|>that the communists want the USA and other countries to send them aid.  They
|>also want the US to disarm, so that we can be caught off guard.  One of 
|>these people is a man named Dumitru Duduman.  I suggest that you acquire
|>one of his books or tapes.  Or perhaps I could send you one.
|>
|>Remember, nobody believed Noah until it started raining.

Argument from revealed scripture will get you nowhere, if the scripture is true
then the will of God alone determines the future.

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Phill Hallam-Baker
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