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From: schickda@mot.com (n/a David Schick)
Subject: Annoyance/DM/F242/DW/etcetcetc
Organization: ex525
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:54:34 GMT



I've decided that I should help waste bandwidth just like everyone
else is doing.

HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT "LAND OF THE
FREE" BY DIE WARZAU?  YOU'D THINK WE GET THE IDEA ALREADY!  I THINK
ABOUT TWENTY PEOPLE HAVE CONFIRMED THIS ANSWER!!

In the interest of wasting bandwidth, I will also talk about the 
Depeche Mode (now Yaz/Yazz/Yazoo/Yazzoo) discussion, since it does
not belong in rec.music.industrial (would have used rmi, but I'm 
trying to waste bandwidth):

Depeche Mode is one of my favorite bands (right next to F242), but
I still think they destroyed Route 66.  I always thought it was a 
lame song, but then I heard an _OLD_ version (by who I have no idea)
and realized just how much they twisted it.  Saying DM is talentless
is going a little far, though ...

> Now I have a question: how do people behave during a Front 242 concert nowadays
> in the US?  Many years ago, I saw a program on the Belgian television about their
> first tour in the US, at the time of 'No Comment' and 'Politics of Pressure'.
> People were only staring at them like cows that see their first train in their
> live!  There was this totally upset Richard 23 having no response to its usual
> shoutings "Move! Dance! Move your ass! Feel the beat!"  I thought it was hilarous,
> compared to the reaction of the audience during concerts I attended in Belgium...

When I saw them (october in St. Louis, see earlier article, Tyranny >For You< tour),
the crowd needed NO encouragement.  Some were even slam dancing.  You could feel the
whole bar shake (mentally, at least).  Also interesting was their pre and post concert
background music.  Any band that can mix Black Sabbath's 'Supertzar', 'Symptom of the
Universe', Prokofiev's Third Piano Concerto (LOVE that final movement!), and other
assorted oddities in the same half hour and make it sound good has got my vote!

Slightly annoyed and trying to be slightly annoying,

 - Zoltan

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From: jeremy@sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: SEVERED HEADS BREAKUP? OUCH!
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:42:42 GMT
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd

In <31047@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford) writes:

>And lo, jeremy@sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge) spake unto the masses saying:
>> I went to the show and enjoyed it a lot.  Tom seemed to be in a very
>> irritable mood though.
>
>It has to be said that that sounds pretty standard for Tom. He seems to
>definitely grudge playing live. Were there any obvious technical problems
>this time?

Not really obvious.  It all seemed pretty smooth, apart from the abrupt
ending.  That seemed to be Tom getting impatient with the audience, and
vice-versa.  Aparently he'd been pissing everyone else off all afternoon during
setup.  It was commented that the tuneup was the most interesting thing played.
He also pulled out the almost infamous "c'marn Aussie, c'marn" sample.  I don't
know if it has ever been recoreded, but its been used at every SH gig I've been to.
Its truly awful - a great antithesis.  Anyhow...

> That usually seems to get him annoyed. There were a *lot* of
>problems at the last Sydney gig, like the sound going mono halfway through
>his set, stuff like that.
Video failure seemed pretty major then too, for a time.

>He plans to. Or at least he planned to. The first Coklacoma album should
>have appeared later this year. Whether it'll appear now though, I don't
>know.

Why is it in doubt?  He did seem pretty certain last December.

>True. Not commercial pressure in the "make pop music Ellard, or we drop you
>from the label sense" as much as putting out what sells best, though.

I wouldn't be the first to say that Racic is one of the less good things to
happen to SH.

--
jeremy@softway.sw.oz.au ph:+61 2 698 2322-x122 fax:+61 2 699 9174
Many a wonderful picnic has been spoiled by Blubberknife.
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From: a-giles@uchicago.edu (Aaron Giles)
Subject: New Pig album soon! -- information?
Reply-To: a-giles@uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago High Energy Physics
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:59:19 GMT


I just read that Pig is coming out with a new album sometime this
month, supposedly titled "A Stroll In The Pork".  Does anyone know a
more exact release date?  I'm a little skeptical that it's actually
going to appear, since there was a three-year gap between his first
album (1988) and "Praise The Lard" (1991), but you never know....

Aaron
-----
                     Aaron Giles -- a-giles@uchicago.edu
                "Push the button, connect the goddamn dots!!" 

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From: wxs@po.CWRU.Edu (W.charles Simciak)
Subject: Re: m a n u f a c t u r e
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 04:36:02 GMT


Manufacture at the moment has two albums out right now:
-Terrorvision
-Voice Of World Control

The copy you have is "Terrorvision", the tracks break down as this:
   -Slugger
   -As The End Draws Near
   -Passion For The Future
   -Bond St. Station (this track is only 40 seconds)
   -Little Caeser
   -Terror Vision
   -Obsolete
   -Ballet Mccannque
   -Armed Forces
   -American Embassy

Also out from them are some twelve inches including a 12" remix of
"As The End Draws Near" w/ "Passion For The Future".  Also out over
the summer was a 12" containing something about desert storm, I forgot
the name of it.  There may be more, I really don't know.  For more info
try consulting Alternative Press, a few issues ago they had an interview
with the band.

-- 
   Chuck Simciak    ! "Punctuation is a loin cloth, covering
  wxs@po.CWRU.edu   !    the private parts of literature."
   WRUW 91.1 FM     !                            -Picasso
From: craigb@resmel.bhp.com.au (Craig Blundell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: SEVERED HEADS BREAKUP? OUCH!
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:23:30 GMT
Organization: BHP Research - Melbourne Laboratories, AUSTRALIA

jeremy@sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge) writes:

>I really like Severed Heads' work, but I wouldn't mind if Tom made a 
>break for it and started production under a new name.  I think perhaps
>people are confused by Slashing the Old May West compared to Pilot in Hell.
>Cuisine/Piscatorial summed it up really.  I still like Quest for Omm Pa Pa.
>Perhaps Ellard is feeling hemmed in by commercial demands that seem to be
>made on 'Severed Heads'.  In a radio interview late last year he seemed to
>say that Cuisine was the result of commercial pressure, but Piscatorial
>was purely what he wants to do.

Here's some mail I got from Tom recently re "Cuisine"

> I think that we are pressing the Vinyl for Twister here and sending it to 
> Canada for promotion (pay to play). But I think NTWK will be pressing the CD 
> - which they like - quote - "The whole album should have sounded like this".
> NTWK have said that they want to mix and produce my stuff from now on. 


NOTE: The Twister re-mix is supposedly a lot "harder" than the Cuisine version.

So I don't know that it was completely "commercial pressure" that caused 
Cuisine to be the way it is, I think it's also the way Tom Ellard wanted
to see his music progess. Nettwerk wanted a Skinny Puppy/Ministry clone
but got Severed Heads instead :-)


--
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From: jf3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Christopher Forman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: (Clan of) Xymox
Date: 6 Apr 92 10:41:26 GMT
Organization: Junior, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I've heard that their first album was a VERY limited release.  Like 500
vinyl prints...  It was released in Belgium, then pulled.  Apparently
Pieter Nooten didn't like it and convinced Ronnie and Ankah that they
should try to bury that album.

If anyone out there has a copy, tell me what it sounds like...
If anyone out there has a copy, for that matter, send it my way...
I want it too.
From: jlmyers@moria.endor.cs.psu.edu (Jeffrey L Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: NIN EP: 'Now I'm Nothing'?
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:14:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.n8dH_5zn6
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

In article <1992Apr10.203835.5701@bradley.bradley.edu> dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:
>
>This should be in the FAQ file.  Nine Inch Nails is one person, Trent
>Reznor from Cleveland (he does tour with a band but they don't appear on
>the album).

Close but no cigar, Trent Reznor is originally from Mercer, Pennsylvania (home
of the company Reznor that makes the heaters we have at the grocery store I work
at) he moved to Cleveland From Mercer while he was working at a recording studio
where he started putting together PHM, recently he has moved to St. Louis and
remains there working on his new album, although at teh release of PHM he was
the only member of teh group it has been since said that the bass player of the
new defunct Jane's Addiciton has joined NIN, also in a newsletter from KMFDM Ent
they mentioned that Chris of Nine Inch Nails will be touring with KMFDM, so at
least they think that somenoe names Chris was an official member of NIN, I am 
not sure which Chris they are referring to, I thought Chris Vrenna would be a
good guess since the Chris they mention will be playing drums and Chric Vrenna
the only Chris mentioned in the credits anywhere on PHM does play drums (he
guested on Die Warzau's Big Electric Metal Bass Face on percussion) so although
there may have been only Trent at the release of PHM there are rumours there
are other official members now.
From: dalek242@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (S. Fritter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Missing Skinny Puppy song
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 04:19:02 PDT
Organization: Somewhere in The Twilight Zone, Vancouver, B.C

douellet@beach.csulb.edu (Daniel Ouellette) writes:

> In article <LoiyiB5w164w@tz.wimsey.bc.ca> dalek242@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (S. Fritte
> >U38956@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
> >
> >> In the "Last Rights" tape, it says "Song 4 on side 2 is missing."
> >> or something like that and it is!  So where is it?  From what I
> >> heear it's a song called "Left Handshake" and it's supposed to be
> >> released seperately as a single, remixed and etc.  Is this true? Can anyon
> >> confirm this?   Let me know!
> >> 
> >
> > 
> >    WRONG!
> > 
> >  no, the infamous track 10 was in fact BANNED due to copyright problems
> > 
> >  the reason is that most of the track consisted of a conversation held
> > by Dr. Timothy Leary which was NOT given permission by Tim's agents..
> > 
> 	Actually, Tim's agents have nothing to do with it. Neither Tim nor
> his agents have the rights to that particular speech - though I don't know
> off hand who does.
> 
  it might be Fisch Buero Berlin which have the rights, actually..
 
> >  OH WELL
> > 
> >  NO, IT WILL NOT BE RELEASED..  EVER.
> > 
> 	According to Ogre, they plan on releasing it as either a 7" or else
> as a b-side to one of their upcomming single. They are still in the process
> of trying to get the rights to use it however. I got this directly from Ogre
> when I met hime last week, and asked him about it.
> 
my source is Nettwerk, so obviously you are getting the "i want
to do this" while i am getting the "they can do this" (or rather,
they CAN'T do this in this case)
 
> > 
> >DSXMCHNA(G42)
> >dalek242@tz.wimsey.bc.ca
DSXMCHNA
From: vinlai@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (vincent.lai)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Bigod 20 and Vomito Negro recommendations ?
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:52:56 GMT
Organization: AT&T

Yesterday (March 7) I bought Vomito Negro's The New Drug and Bigod
20's Carpe Diem CD Maxi-Single.  I like Carpe Diem quite a bit.  The
VN stuff I wasn't happy with.  Very gothic sounding, which was
different from what I thought I heard at another CD shop in Philly
(The Digital Underground).  I thought VN had a much more brighter
sound.  My impression was that it sounded more like Delerium with an
EBM beat.

I'd like to know what CD Carpe Diem is on, as well as other Bigod 20
recommendations.  As for Vomito Negro, I've only given up on The New
Drug, because I imagine that the CD I heard at The Digital Underground
is the one I want to keep as well as buy.  Can someone help me with
identifying this CD?  It may have been a CD single, because I did see
a cardboard digi-pak, and the digi-pak was pretty much sky blue in
color (don't know for sure).  tia ...
From: cspot@cats.ucsc.edu (Chris.Hilker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Name that tune ad infinitum
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:51:57 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz


In article <s318kINN7ej@agate.berkeley.edu> c152-ar@dv349-3a.berkeley.edu (Trailblazers in '92!) writes:
>
>No, his initial hunch was correct; indeed it is "Money", the title track from
>KMFDM's newest album...
>"One for the money, two for the show, three to get ready, now go, kids, go!"
>Lame lyrics (what do you expect from Belgians- although thankfully their
                                      ^^^^^^^^
I thought they were German. Anybody know for sure?

>accent is not too apparent, unlike F242), but at any rate the song itself
>is pretty cool...

C.
-- 
ALL OF US ARE ONE PEOPLE
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cspot@cats.ucsc.edu
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From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: Controled Breeding
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 04:48:26 GMT

mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones) writes:

>: interesting in its own right.  So far, that's the only CD I've seen with
>: Controlled Bleeding's name on it.  If there are any others, please let me
>: know.
>
>Goodness, there are tons.  I have the following releases by C.B.:
>	Body Samples CD
>	Hog Floor CD
>	Trudge CD
>	Songs from the Ashes CD
>	Phlegm Bag Spattered CD
>	Curd LP
>	Knees and Bones LP
>	Core LP
>	The Fodder Song/Words (of the Dying) EP
>	Songs From the Grinding Wall EP
>	(split w/Uncommunity) Across the Stagnant Pond cassette
>	Shitslipper cassette
>
>And I know of several more.  "Core" has been re-issued on CD but I
>haven't seen it yet (it's on Dossier from Germany).  The "Phlegm
>Bag Spattered" CD, from Dark Vinyl, contains material from the same
>sessions that produced "Knees and Bones," the first CB album.  There
>is another CD coming from Wax Trax, and there will also be one
>released this summer by Alchemy Records in Japan.  Paul's also busy
>recording some more Skin Chamber material, and will be touring this
>summer as Controlled Bleeding.  He also just finished assembling the
>"Dry Lungs 5" compilation, which will be a double CD on Subterranean
>Records, to be released in a month or two.

Oops.  I didn't write what I was thinking.  I wanted to say 'noisy stuff'
with CB's name on it.  I've got _Trudge_ and _Songs_from_the_Ashes_ already
(though their neo-quasi-classical atmospheric voice stuff isn't quite my
taste).  But you told me what I needed to know.

I'm glad to see DL5 (double cd? heh! It's mine....).  I've heard rumours
that the first three DL comps have been reissued on CD.  Any idea as to the
availability of them?
-- 
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As you're cleaning the orange carpet, you will hear a voice that says, "Fetch 
my cigarettes."  Another voice will say, "THEY'RE ON TOP OF THE REFRIGERATOR."
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From: dcuddihy@nmt.edu (David Cuddihy)
Subject: Re: Users of Wicked Gravity (was Re: Arizona Industrial)
Organization: New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 20:36:22 GMT


Mags,
	Thanks for the plug! We appreciate it muchly! (And as a minor
side-note, The Users aren't precisely "signed" for GSN! has no exclusive
rights or anything, but we work in "cooperation" if you will...)

	and the e-mail address =

	gsn@cyborg1.nmt.edu
		or
	dcuddihy@jupiter.nmt.edu

	Tapes and feature:

    <ookin' w/ tr@sh * The Users of the Wicked Gravity * raz30r * D.SAFE
	dnbox: * memento mori * Creeping Eruption * jesus bike pump

[Aprox 60 min 12Tracks]

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Organization: English As A Second Language Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Date: Tue,  7 Apr 1992 14:11:34 -0400 
From: Michael Winston Woodring <mw2i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Illusion of Safety CDs?

Ios has two CDs.  Their first is called Historical.  It's an expensive
little bugger.  Some stores sell it for as high as $40.  You can get it
directly from Ios for $25.  If you want the address, email me.  Anyway,
it comes in a leather pouch with a bullet through the middle.  In the
opinion, this Cd is better than their new one, Inside Agitator.  This CD
is ~$10.  I didn't find Inside as eerie as Historical.  Some of the
songs actually have a beat (fer shame)!  One of the dowpoints of this CD
is the use of samples.  At times, they use the same sample at every beat
in a song, like many industrial dance bands use samples.  This constant
repetition on beats diminishes the effect of their content.  On
Historical, samples are used sparingly for a more dramatic effect. 
However, Inside is still a good CD.

Hope this helps,

mike
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From: Sid <ssowder@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: NIN EP: 'Now I'm Nothing'?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 20:48:10 GMT

Sigh get it straight

Down in it (UK) 3 mixes
Pretty Hate Machine.
Head Like a Hole (US) Mixes of Terible LIe, HLAH, Down in it(included the 
                      3 from DIT UK) and  "You Know who you are"
Head Like a Hole (UK) with opel mix (and two from HLAH US)
Sin (US) 3 mixes and Get Down make love
sin (UK)  "     "
Down in It (US) with Skin mix.

Not to mention the various 12" and 9" but every mix can be found on CD
now.... If they weren't out of print...
If you have the DIT UK mail me... I need one again!

-- 
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From: terry@rod.mitre.org (Terry Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: United Dairies releases
Keywords: Nurse With Wound, Lemon Kittens, Tietchens
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:44:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr16.164446.22383
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

Is "Spiral Insana" &/or "Automating Vol. 1" by NwW available
on CD?  I've seen some others on CD,  but not these two.

     Terry

"I  want to be a registered nurse"

"Abraham Lincoln said all men were created equal.  Abraham Lincoln 
never saw Bo Diddley in the shower."
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Subject: The Cure (mailing lists) 
Keywords: subscriptions
Reply-To: modester@IASTATE.EDU (Matthew R Hodges)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:37:11 GMT



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Subject: Re: SKINNY PUPPY STUDY RESULTS
From: demsey@neural.tucson.az.us (herr loki)
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:03:52 MST
Distribution: world,local

In article <1992Apr14.180942.12183@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>  babbles:
> 
> ...
> PERCENTAGE OF SKINNY PUPPY FANS THAT 
> DON'T ADMIT TO BEING MALADJUSTED, 
> DESPITE VARIOUS EVIDENCE INDICATING 
> THAT THEY ARE INDEED MALADJUSTED        :  30%
> 

  And you did your doctoral work is Psychology where?

> 
> PERCENTAGE OF NORWEGIAN SKINNY PUPPY
> FANS WITH NO GRASP ON ENGLISH SPELLING
> OR GRAMMAR, DESPITE THE FACT THAT
> ENGLISH IS THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE OF
> THE INTERNET    			:   0.8%
> 
> 
> GENERAL TRENDS:
>  ...
> SKINNY PUPPY FANS TEND TO BE MALADJUSTED.
> ...
> NORWEGIANS TEND TO DEMONSTRATE WHY THEY HAVE NOT BEEN A WORLD
> POWER FOR OVER 800 YEARS, GIVEN ACCESS TO USENET.
> 
> 

  Do you mean to be such an offensive wanker, or is this an attempt at
whatever the hell they call humor in Cleveland?

loki

(furthermore,as if we asked for your psychiatric/geo-political assessments...)
From: garncarz@fraser.sfu.ca (dAREK G.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: xorcist
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:08:27 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

i just tried replying to your messege.. still can't get through...could
you mail something ( like a reply ) to    garncarz@sfu.ca   
then i'll be able to reply to your mail....
i think...

whoa...i'm impressed with the story about the picture on the cover of your
Damned SOuls cd ... that's quite cool..my listeners really dig insightful
comments about albums ...

i'm glad you got my last messege.. i was getting quite annoyed with the 
mailing system.. 

by the way, would you be interested in doing an interview for CJSF ???

speaking of which.. i'll be interviewing ol` cEVIN KEY of Skinny Puppy/Doubting
Thomas/Tear Garden ... if you have any questions for the guy.. please let me
know..

aaaaaahh, into the inferno.... . . . .  .  .  .  .    .    .     .     .      .

dAREK
From: dalek242@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (S. Fritter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: ** SKINNY PUPPY LYRICS **
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 02:40:40 PDT
Organization: Somewhere in The Twilight Zone, Vancouver, B.C

 
  to enquire EFFECTIVELY about skinny puppy lyrics, enquire to me..
 
  i am sure that i have the largest SP lyric collection save for
 Ogre's and i MAY be willing to distribute them in some way..
 
  i might even write out some of their "hits" as public messages
 if enough people desire it..
 
  ENQUIRE:
 dalek242@tz.wimsey.bc.ca
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