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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 07:46:12 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: tous les matins du monde

On Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:29:03 PST Jim Grubb said:
>
>I heard yesterday that there was going to be a large party outside
>and that 2 of the groups were Robert Cray and Los Lobos.
>Call me an old fart (you old fart) but I am encouraged by all this.
>Middle of the Road is a step forward from where we've been.
>JimG

They're putting up 20 tents on the Mall & a little bit of everything is going
to be happening.
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:23:38 -0500
From:         HLC2@PSUADMIN.BITNET
Subject:      preserve it (nonmusic)

L.W.:

A colleague of mine stores her newspapers in her freezer, and they've
preserved nicely. The only other method I've heard of is to laminate the pages
and bind them together.

I guess that's why periodicals are so often preserved on microfilm/fiche, etc.

Heather
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From:         spideroni <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      live xtc

Thumper sez:
>While I was doing my post christmas CD splurge, I came across the XTC _Live_
>CD and upon reading the back, it mentioned the BBC... so, likely, this is from
>the series of which you speak. I really wanted to buy it, but it was pricey --

yup - that's the one paul mentioned. it is a show from 1980 recorded at the
hammersmith palais in london. i've seen it for around $21 in a couple local
store, but haven't yet gotten the courage to spend that much on one disk
yet (i'm pretty adverse to spending more than $10 on cds generally speaking).
i've heard lots of good words about it - from xtc fans mostly, but who
would know better?

woj
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:52:54 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: No Cameras Allowed

On Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:08:19 EST Ken Koester said:
>This sounds quasi-legal at best:  a public figure has no right not to be
>photographed in public, as far as I know, and even a private figure has no
>defense if the photos aren't sold.  You could make a case for banning flash

Since it states on the back of the ticket that no cameras or allowed It's
probally very legal. BTW these tickets must be all-purpose (Fastix) cause the
back also says "not liable if you get hit by a batted ball", she's performing
with the symphony not the baseball team...She'll also have the Nash Ramblers
which is an all-acoustic band that's very good....Last time i saw her she had
had Albert Lee and the Hot Band.....(heckuva band).......L.W.
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:42:13 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Saffire degrades men

Hammer states indignantly...
>It is a given that women have been degraded by music, as well as by just about
>everything else in society, but I don't see how that fact applies here.  I
>always thought the goal of the so-called women's movement (it is actually a
>movement for everyone -- not just women) was to treat *everyone* with respect
>in  thought, word, and deed.  I don't think that Saffire does that, and I fail
>to see any other redeeming value in their sexist attitude towards men.

So true, so true!!!! I've been studying a bit of feminist legal theory, and
the biggest thing I find wrong with it is the name. If it had been created
and championed by Martians, it would've been Martian legal theory - and
been the same damn theory. Feminism is about equality for everyone. I don't
know the music of Saffire, and judging by the posts, I don't think I'm
missing too much. But I am a liberal feminist (that's a branch of feminism,
not a femninist who's a liberal) and I believe in the rights of men as
well. Even Lenny.....


OMC - I'm pissed - UPS is taking their sweet time with my CD player!!!!!
Picked up a neat a cappella CD - _Roger's Living Room_ by The Oom Maw Maw.
Their Dutch, and a lot of the stuff is non-English Language - which I find
very cool. I love Tower Records - they have a whole section where I can
browse and find a cappella stuff, w/o having to know the name of the
group!!!!


Marsha

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:55:18 PDT
From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Happy Birthday, Michael Stipe

First Leonard...
>>IMHO music should "reach out and touch you" you shouldn't have to get used
>>to it, if i listened to Rap or what-have-you i would eventually get used to
>>it (maybe). Listening to music be enjoyable not a task that requires effort
>>to enjoy it. If you listen to music that you have to get used to you may
>>ought to try a different type...Something that reaches out and grabs you
>

Then Russ...
>Ahh, Len, get ready for some heat.  That's a pretty boring approach to music,
>and life in general.  Not exactly a "seeker" are you?  Personally, I look
>to music (and art) for more than just comfort......
>

Heh. If Leonard isn't used to the heat by now, he'd best get a pair of
asbestos coveralls.

Regarding what was said.... hmmmm. I find myself on both sides of this fence.
(Gee, I'm startin' to sound like Bill Clinton!) Certainly I don't just sit
back and wait for music to come along and impress me. I'm always trying to dig
up new stuff, new styles (to me, anyway), and so forth. Makes life, and music,
interesting.

And yet... if something doesn't jump out at me- SOMETHING, could be the tune,
the sound, the attitude, very occasionally the words, but SOMETHING- then I'm
probably gonna let it go right by. Sometimes it's completely undefinable, what
I hear that makes a difference, but I rarely "study" a song or a composition
over and over again unless it "grabs" me first.

I try to listen to music with as few preconceived notions as possible. I think
this is essential (to try, not necessarily to do, it's hard as hell) if you're
going to explore new and different kinds of music. So to Leonard I guess I'd
say that if it's gotta "grab" you according to your predefined ideas about
what you "like", then I agree with Russ. But if you can truly listen with the
proverbial "open mind", then I agree that if it don't "grab" you, you're better
off looking somewhere else.

I get the feeling we've discussed this thread before using different
terminology, but it gets right down to the basis of one's appreciation of
music, and one's philosophy toward music (and maybe toward life in general).

David
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:45:32 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Cadence and cascade

Bloomie sez...
>
>Of course, if you have good academic credentials, you yourself probably
>can't swing to save your life.
>
Bloomie, darlin', I'll admit that I can't dance, but I can swing....and I
have pretty decent credentials.....for sleazy lawyer.

Marsha

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:31:20 MST
From:         Thumper <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      RE: MTV (Rev. Dave)

Heather said:

>U2 did this with their song "One" from _Achtung Baby_. As much as I'm sick to
>death of U2, I liked the approach. One featured Bono looking pouty in a
>restaurant, another featured buffalo, and the third was a black-and-white
>"minifilm" thing (a bit too reminiscent of Depeche Mode for my baby blues).

I've seen two of these videos and I didn't like the Bono in a restaurant one --
it seemed too self-indulgent, like a look-at-me-aren't-I-a-stud-meister
video...   But, the buffalo video ranks up there as one of my favorites of all
time.  The slow motion scenes of stampeding buffalos heading off cliffs is
really striking.

Another fave video of mine is Pink Floyd's "Learning to Fly" with all of it's
mystical native imagery...

Oh shit... they've come to take my GARGRA away...

Later!
Carol
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:21:05 EST
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Difficult Listening

One of the eight-minutes-'til-the-hour-arts-and-entertainment pieces on
NPR's Morning Edition this morning was about the Turtle Island String
Quartet.  Among other things:

       o  Their newest CD features a piece that one of their violinists
          (not Daryl Anger, but the other guy) wrote that they described
          as a "cross between Bluegrass and Indian Raga."  It sounded like,
          er . . . um . . . uh, a cross between Bluegrass and Indian Raga.

       o  The same violinist said: "most people like their music to be
          nice and easy and melodic; I prefer music that's difficult and
          disturbing."  Sounds like their music would fit into Bloomdido's
          "Difficult Listening" category.

       o  Apparently they've gone through five violinists in the past year
          alone.  Much discussion in the piece about how tension in a group
          is good, but how it sometimes gets out of hand (along with a ref-
          erence to the many drummers in Spinal Tap).  They made the point
          hat many successful string quartets make a point of staying
          away from one another when they're not playing.  Apparently the
          Guarneri Quartet goes so far as to not travel together when they
          are on the road.

I'll probably pick up some of Turtle Island's stuff on the strength of the
snippets that NPR played.  Do any of y'all have any recommedations?

Oh, BTW, on the way back from the in-laws' at Christmas, I was listening to
Mountain Stage, and they had the Kronos Quartet on.  I was pretty surprised
to hear them on Mountain Stage, and was real impressed with their playing.

-Scott "Quartets 'R' Us" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 09:16:19 EST
From:         spideroni <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      brain farts! oi madonna!
              5 Jan 1993 08:13:46 CST from <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>

crispen sez:
>Perhaps we could rename this category the "Rev. Bob's Brain Fart Award",
>considering the number of them I've had

as i've so aptly demonstrated already (_la gadra lazza_/_la gazza ladra_),
i've got quite a penchant for doing the same as well. i would have nomi-
nated myself, but i was absent from the list for most of the past year and
didn't have the opportunity to show off my utter lack of long term memory
abilities. fear not, i am sure that in the coming year, i'll have more
than a few doosies.

>          I mean, I wouldn't have a Madonna tape or CD in my home,
>but if she's done one good song, it might be kind of nice to have
>it on a tape.

madonna's one good song is "live to tell," which was fortunately released
as a single. i scared the hell out of my local vinyl emporium's proprieter
when i walked up to the counter with that one day.

not a bad idea for a tape though.

woj
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: Sunday morning & lousy lyrics
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 12:39:13 GMT

After having been composing for a long night (till 6 AM), I had some profound
difficulties waking up this morning.  My girlfriend was staying with a friend,
so I had a day "off" -- and apparently one immediately falls back to bad
habits then... :)
Anyway, in my struggle to grab my consciousness together, I decided to turn
on the radio, hoping it would help a bit in entering the daily world.  About
the first thing I heard was a song -- cheesy hard-rock-like but worse :) --
by a group who's name I don't recall (and *NO*, I don't _want_ to know 
either).
The song used one of the most awful, trivial, dumb, ... sentences I've ever
heard.  Imagine, being somewhere halfway between "here and there", still
rubbing the sleep out of your eyes, a heavy head and the wind blowing outside
on a chill sunday morning and then hearing:

    I love you period
    Do you love me question mark

Arrrgghhh dot dot dot  Why don't we all write this way question mark  Would
spare a lot of strange characters and dash big advantage dash would make
all the lyrics one writes a lot longer full stop  Good idea question mark  NO
exclamation mark

Well, is this an idea for a new thread, or what?  What is the worst sentence
or piece of lyrics you ever heard (in music, of course :-)?

Uhm... writing smileys this way would be fun BTW.  colon dash close-bracket

Happy sunday to y'all -- enjoy yer weekend.

Hendrik Jan

--
Hendrik Jan Veenstra    hjv@phil.ruu.nl  *  How can I save my dreams
Dept. of Philosophy                      *  in the nightmare, in the flood
University of Utrecht                    *  But I try.
The Netherlands                          *
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 10:48:21 EST
From:         spideroni <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      michael's miscellany

Michael H. Bloom sez:
>> i finally got around to listening to the _boiled alive '92_ cassette that
>This was the tape they were flogging when they were here last. I didn't pick
>it up. Is there enough new material that I'm going to regret this?

um, memory circuits are failing on the track listing, but i recall hearing
mostly tunes from the albums. the advantage to the live tape is to hear the
(duh) live renditions which are a bit wilder and more fun than the album
versions. it's a good documentary of their live shows, but i don't know if
it is *essential*. problem is that the tape is limited, i believe, and it
is only on cassette.

i thought of another weird instrument last night: eugene chandbourne's
"rake." this thing is a cattle skull, with all sorts of metal attachments
(nails, wire and so on). it's got a few contact mics inside it. to play:
simply attack the skull with whatever you have handy on stage. last time
i saw eug, he attacked it with a power drill (thus combining two allmusic
threads neatly into one). lots of noise. sometimes it doesn't sound very
good...other times, the noise just works, for some reason. one of those
chancy things...like most of his albums for that matter.

i saw the tail end of the "steam" video in cutler's music (new haven, for
those of you who care) over the weekend. basically, it's just a gimmick
video: lots of neat computer effects. ultimately, this video is, in
essence, identical to the "sledgehammer" and "big time" videos.

woj
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:37:57 EST
From:         spideroni <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      more weird instruments

Paul Heroy sez:
>Sing it, Sister Marsha! :-) Actually, I should probably have a pair of gloves
>in my car to keep me from breaking half the blood vessels in my thumbs from
>banging on the steering wheel when this comes on the radio.

hah! you do that too? i just remarked last night to someone i was driving
around connecticut with that i was the best steering wheel pounder in all
the northeast...

(ahem)

we now return you to your regularly scheduled allmusic program, already in
progress...

woj
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:17:30 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Saffire degrades men
              5 Jan 1993 16:01:17 EST from <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>

On Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:01:17 EST Scott Hammer said:
>As far as their record sales go, they are representative of popularity and of
>the effectiveness of marketing campaigns.  To assert that sales means anything
>else is dangerously naive.

I have seen very little marketing of Saffire or any other Alligator artist
this is not popular music we're talking about, they won't be on some MTV
special or appear as a guest VJ, I've got to dis-agree on the marketing
aspect, I could name plenty of everyone's favorite who receive much, much
more marketing than Saffire, but that doesn't mean that's why they sale or
does it..You tell me............L.W.
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:43:30 EST
From:         "Gary T. Chou" <garychou@PHOENIX.PRINCETON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Songs of Freedom
              Freedom" (Jan  8, 11:11am)

Hi, what's this about a compilation tape?
-another dude named gary . . .
garychou@phoenix.princeton.edu
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:03:41 -0500
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Get a life... with the dreamer's dream

>When I play, especially when I play with the whammy bar or do a lot of string
>stretching, my biggest problem in staying in tune is all that extra slack in
>the strings behind the nut. The locking nut is intended to take care of that
>problem: if you're well in tune when you clamp down that locking nut, your
>string stretching won't be able to take in that extra slack, so you'll stay in
>tune. That's the theory, anyway. The strings themselves may stretch, however,

You know you can't mention *anything* about guitars without me throwing in
my 2 bits.....Here, I've found the locking trems to be more trouble than
they're worth.  A good guitar can be whammied to death, and it will still
come back in tune.  Just give the bar a *pull* up away from the guitar,
and the slack behind the nut will come back to the playing side, and
the world will be a better place.  Graphite (ie. pencil lead) in the
grooves at the nut helps.  This is from someone who has broken 4(!) whammy
bar arms (not recommended), but still has the same (in-tune) guitar.
FWIW, my current whammy is made of a super-hardened metal that's used for
long-life oceanography buoys.  It's *solid*.  Heavy metal even....

Russ.
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:18:31 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: So far, so good...
              6 Jan 1993 23:40:45 EST from <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGE A.ARMY.MIL>

On Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:40:45 EST The Tape Dude said:
>
>And these, most of which are probably not old-timers, and I thought they
>might be interested in the tape:

>MAINT2@ERS                               Kenneth M. Koester

Hold on, it's coming,
Hold on, it's almost here.

(It really will be, but I gotta check out the liner for timings and such.
Besides, having to nominate a mere 5 songs--having to nominate a *category*
for heaven's sake--is reducing me to blithering indecision (-:
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:24:51 PDT
From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Hang The World: Musician flirts with the flame game

>
>  Let the jihad begin!
>

Well, since you asked...

They included Jimmy Page but left out John Cipollina?!?!?

Vernon Reid in, but Henry Kaiser out. Hmmmm...

Odd, too, that Muddy Waters was included as a guitarist, but no Hubert
Sumlin, or Howlin' Wolf himself, for that matter. And while just about all
the "Blues" selections are excellent, how in the world can you leave out
Robert Johnson?

I have no idea why Clarence White is in there.

But they did honor some often-unrecognized greats such as John Fahey, Al
Anderson, Curtis Mayfield, Eldon Shamblin (coulda picked Leon MacAuliffe,
too), Robbie Robertson, and Tom Verlaine.

Danny Gatton should be in, and Yngwie Malmsteen out.

Frith, Sharrock, and Holdsworth... the ALLMUSIC trinity.  ;-)


David
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From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Marsha tries Bloom's method - mondopost!

On Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:07:17 EST Ilia said:
>
>Whenever you hear new music which does not fulfill your sonic
>expectations (hello, Bloomdido!), you have to go through a certain
>period of getting used to it.

Amen! This is true at times even for bands whose work I've dug in the past,
and who didn't even necessarily change that much. Our brains just have to
be trained a little bit sometimes - I don't expect to read tomes on heavy
philosophical ideas and immediately understand them, why should I expect that
of music?

>I find it somewhat similar to our visual perception of faces, when
>'uncommonness' of a face type dominates all other features (aka europeans
>meeting chinese people and thinking that they all look alike).

This is an excellent analogy! In making this argument a month or two ago, I
used an analogy of reading a foreign language (and someone pointed out the
lameness of that analogy - I forget who), but this is much better. Like I
said then, our brains do a lot of 'pattern recognition', and when we don't
recognize a pattern we have difficulty obtaining meaning or even seeing the
individual elements in something that make it a whole.

If LW had his way, we'd all just know what we know at birth and be listening
to stones banging together - of course, it would be a blues, though we would
not have a clue why ;-) Come on Lenny, haven't you ever heard something that
had no appeal at first but later grew on you to the point that you really got
into it?

ObGripe: I was in a chain type store, bigger than the mall stores but no Tower
Records, and they had SRV filed under rock/pop. This just really pissed me off
and I went to complain to the manager - after all, SRV did so much to promote
the blues and all his heroes, and then the stores put his stuff where people
don't even have a chance to look at some of the other blues recordings and
have something else catch their eye. Grrrrrrr.... I was sorely tempted to run
around, pull out all the SRV and put it in blues, and take the Kenny G out of
jazz and put it in the pop section :-)

Paul
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:38:00 EDT
From:         BLAIDA@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Another 'Who recorded this song' question

The Hooters are a fine band... I saw them about 2 years ago..
Here at Morehead state and they were excellent... Well... Maybe just okay..

They aren't on the same level as Ozzy Osbourne (god) or AC-DC... But
the have a some pretty awesom songs.. Well.. Maybe not awesome.. more
like OKAY... What the hell..
 They Suck...

Later Kids....

666, The Number of the Beast..
666, The One For You and Me...

--Genghis..
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:15:52 EST
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: One-Hit Wonders

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  Can anyone think of songs about rain, or with
rain in the title?

                    -Tim
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