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From: mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Tell you something..
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:49:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: gn.1992Apr8.134946.27989
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr8.061347.1772@leland.Stanford.EDU> marcush@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marcus Edward Hennecke) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.162523.12042@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas) writes:
>>
>>What's your source?  The by-products of jet fuel are much less harmful than
>>those of internal-combustion engines...most exhaust gasses are H20 with some
>>CO2 and a trace amounts of other gases (I'd have to check my propulsion data
>>afor more details).  Also, aircraft engines combust at extremely *lean*
>>mixtures, except during takeoff and landings.
>
>Of course, a plane can transport a lot more people than a car. Also,
>the engines of a plane are a lot more efficient than the engine of a
>car. However, planes usually travel in a region of the atmosphere
>which is considered rather sensitive to pollution. It might very well
>be that planes do a lot of damage that just may not be visible yet. On
>the other hand, the chemistry of the atmosphere at those heights is
>pretty complicated and we just begin to understand what is going on up
>there. Therefore, it is very hard to determine how much damage is
>really done by a flight. I doubt that the statement `one flight is as
>bad as a whole year travel by car' is even close to being accurate.
>This is not saying that flights are good for the environment. We just
>don't know how bad they really are.

I don't think extensive studies have been done on jet fuels and their effecy
on the upper atmosphere, or at least if there have been, I am not aware of them
(something that is entirely possible).  However, it is known that the pollution
caused by cars contributes more towards smog than aircraft do, because of the
altitudes at which airplanes fly.  Only the areas immediately surrounding
the airport have a significant pollution problem (which is much smaller than
if all those passengers were driving cars, like people have mentioned).  
Unfortunately, I can't remember where I read this...
   On a different note, "Aerospace American" had a nifty article showing the
results of a study on the effects of the Space Shuttle launchings on the 
ozone layer.  Turned out that it supposedly had an insignificant effect...
(working from memory, I can't remember firgures).  Of course, the shuttle
burns pure hydrogen and oxygen, and the by-product is water.  I would *hope*
that water isn't damaging to our atmosphere...  :)  :)  :)

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From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Mass Transit and airports (was: Re: O'HARE)
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:33:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <54326@hydra.gatech.EDU> glenns@eas.gatech.edu writes:

>Anyone know what BART is doing these days airportwise?

San Francisco Int'l:  There are definite plans for the Daly City line
to be extended to SFO.  Construction of the first segment of this
extension is expected to begin soon.  But the airport probably won't
be reached until near the turn of the century.

Oakland Int'l:  BART already stops quite close to this airport at
Coliseum station.  There's a shuttle bus from there to the airport.
Long range plans have this shuttle bus replaced by a rail link, but
this is way down on the priority list.

Here are other cities in the US with operating or planned rapid transit
links to the airport:

Cleveland:  A rapid transit line has been running to the airport for many
years.

Philadelphia:  A new line goes to the airport.

Boston:  The subway goes to the airport.

Chicago:  An el line to Midway airport is under construction.

Los Angeles:  A light rail line is under construction.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
From: dbr@ocf.berkeley.edu (Daniel Rosler)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: AMEX SUCKS!  Re: AMEX coupons???
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:25:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.s1uldINN1q8
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: lightning.berkeley.edu


 >I think that part of your problem with AMEX stems from your being an  
 >additional card member on your parent's cards. I, like many other  
 >students, have a card in my own name, and have never had a problem with  
 >AMEX service. The fact that you got slack from a senior supervisor  
 >surprises me, however. AMEX customer service seems to me to be one (of  
 >only a couple) reasons to have the Card.

Not only did I get slack from her, I got it from everyone at AMEX.  Even the
executive office I spoke with made little effort to help.  In fact, the first
thing she did was transfer me right back to Student Services where I got more
of the same run-around.  In total, I spent over 4 hours on the phone with
AMEX.  They kept bouncing me around telling me "there's nothing anyone can 
(or will) do."  -- and that's a quote!!
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From: malexand@phakt.usc.edu (Michael Alexander)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: 767 Thailand computer crash conclusion ?
Date: 10 Apr 1992 21:38:15 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Has the computer bug which caused the reverse engine thrust engage of a 767 
over Thailand been found?  

Cheers, and enjoy your next 767-flight,

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From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: Braniff and the FAA - can I sue?
Organization: American Software Development Corp., W. Babylon, NY
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:10:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.201445.749@gacvx2.gac.edu> phygod72@nic.gac.edu (Phil ) writes:
>Please read my post (Re: Braniff experiences - See if you can top this one!),  
>and tell me:
>
>What kind of legal action can I take against Braniff, in relation to  
>compensation (i.e. gas, time wasted, etc)?  Normal airlines would have had me  
>on a connecting flight, and I *thought* that an airline has a legal  
>responsibility to get you to your connecting flight, but maybe not...

There is something called "a legal connection" where the conditions are
if to get to a destination you have to change planes and/or airlines one
plane has to be scheduled to arrive within a certain amount of time (I
think it is a half hour) and the departing plane must be held for a
reasonable amount of time (45 min?).  I'm not sure if the details are
correct, but you have no "case" if it is not a legal connection.

>Please help, as I'd _love_ to screw this company out of as much money as I can.

What makes you think that this (the third?) version of Braniff has any
money for you to screw it out of?

-- 
scott barman			|            LET'S GO METS!
scott@asd.com			|            LET'S GO METS!
				|            LET'S GO METS!
 (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)
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From: moersch@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Jeff Moersch)
Subject: AAdvantage court case
Organization: /home/guest/moersch/.organization
Distribution: rec.travel.air
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:22:52 GMT

A couple weeks ago I heard a news report on the radio that said a guy
in (I think) Wisconsin was sueing American Airlines for changing the 
rules for their frequent flyer program after he signed up.  I would
guess that the change involved is the switch American made from 
non-expiring mileage accounts to a three year rolling expiration.  Does
anybody know if that was the cause of the suit, and if so what the status
of the case is?  I have several thousand miles with American that will 
expire at the end of this year if I don't use them, but if it looks like
they might be forced by this court case into returning to the non-expiring
system, I'd rather save the miles for the future.

Thanks for any info.

Jeff Moersch
moersch@theory.tn.cornell.edu
From: rl@socrates.ucsf.edu (Robert Langridge)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: FFB miles on Ch. 11 airlines (TWA)
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:57:33 GMT
Distribution: na

slim@tazdevil.llnl.gov (Scott Whitman) writes:
...
>		...A friend of mine just barely got to transfer
>his Pan Am ticket to Delta when Pan Am bit the dust.  It sounded like
>if he hadn't already cashed in his miles for a ticket that he might
>have lost them.

Not true.  I had over 40,000 miles remaining in my PanAm WorldPass account,
and these were transferred to Delta with no need for any action on my part.  
I would have been better off to have obtained PanAm awards for the mileage
before they put up the shutters. These awards could then have been used on 
Delta, but I had no trips in prospect for which these could have been used 
before the expiration date (the mileage requirements on Delta are much stiffer 
than in the old PanAm system).  I'm hoping that if/when TWA bites the dust it 
will be as helpful...

Bob Langridge			       Phone: +1 415 476-2630, -1540, -5128
Computer Graphics Laboratory		               FAX: +1 415 476-0688 
University of California	                    E-Mail: rl@cgl.ucsf.edu
San Francisco  CA  94143-0446 
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: dz@cs.brown.edu (Daniel Zalik)
Subject: NY <--> Karachi Pakistan
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:39:45 GMT

A Pakistani friend of mine has invited me to go to the Himalayas
with him.

Could anyone suggest a cheap flight path from New York to Karachi
and back? I would like to leave around the 16th of May and return
early in June. As I am a student, the cheaper the better.


Thanks

Daniel
From: mhart@blackjack.dt.navy.mil (Michael Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Braniff and the FAA - can I sue?
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:36:12 GMT

In <1992Apr9.201445.749@gacvx2.gac.edu> phygod72@nic.gac.edu (Phil ) writes:

>Please read my post (Re: Braniff experiences - See if you can top this one!),  
>and tell me:

>What kind of legal action can I take against Braniff, in relation to  
>compensation (i.e. gas, time wasted, etc)?  Normal airlines would have had me  
>on a connecting flight, and I *thought* that an airline has a legal  
>responsibility to get you to your connecting flight, but maybe not...

>Please help, as I'd _love_ to screw this company out of as much money as I can.

I suspect that you would not be able to get any money from the airline,
nor should you be able to.  Think about it; do you really want to be
just another suit-crazy putz with a lawyer?  The punishment Braniff
will receive is that they will not get your business again, nor 
presumably that of many of the other passengers on that flight.

If you really need to do something, write a letter to the Chairman
or President, similar to the posting you made, and send it off.  Tell
him/her that you will not fly their airline again, and why.


>Phil Miesle
>phygod72@nic.gac.edu
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|   Michael G. Hart                   mhart@blackjack.dt.navy.mil    |
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: schuyler@bagpipe.cis.ohio-state.edu (Carlton Schuyler)
Subject: Re: AMEX coupons???
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:31:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.131529@falcon.axion.bt.co.uk> barry@falcon.axion.bt.co.uk (Barry Au_Yeung) writes:
>
>Hi, everyone,
>
>So, can anybody tell me how can an AMEX card holder obtain
>the coupons and what can I do with them?
>
You have to be a student.  So you call up their 800 customer service
number, and say "Hi, I'm a student, I have an AmEx card, here's my
account number, and I didn't receive the Continental vouchers for this
time period."

You can travel within the same partition of the continental US for
$129 rountrip, or to the other partition for $189 (partition line is
the Mississippi).  You can only stay 6 days, and you must stay
Saturday night.  And of course, you must use you AmEx card to buy the
ticket.  I've found these things to be just wonderul!

-Carl
... schuyler@cis.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: murthy@cs.cornell.edu (Chet Murthy)
Subject: AMEX and cashing checks overseas
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 11:53:16 GMT

horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:

><IMO, the Amex card is a rip off.

>Absolutely.  It provides *no* services that my Visa cards don't provide--yes,
>I've checked, and it turns out that my Visas even offer some services that
>AmEx doesn't--and I don't pay any annual fees.  It is also accepted at far
>fewer places than my Visas.  Merchants don't like it, since AmEx charges
>them quite a bit more than Visa and Mastercard.  (Many restaurants ask their
>regular customers to keep a tab and pay monthly by cheque instead of charging
>each meal on an AmEx.)

Hmmm... One of the things I like most about AMEX is that they are all over 
the world, with offices which you can call to find out information
about things.  It's nice - they speak English, and they are willing
to take a little time to tell you what's going on with something
really perplexing, like, say, opening a bank account in ... FRANCE!
(Oh, Horror or horrors! but that's another story...)

To get to the point, one thing that I really like is the ability to cash 
US checks, on US accounts, at AMEX offices.  The rate they give you
is (or at least, it was) a bit better than that given by the average
change-shop, for cash/travelers' checks.  And you can get your cash
from home, without carrying around a wad of travellers' checks.

I don't know of any VISA cards with this kind of thing.  I mean, sure,
VISA will let you advance money, but at WHAT a commission!  This
check-cashing is much, much better.

But, hey, if somebody can tell me which visa does this, I'll be a happy
camper.

Another thing ... I get back tiny copies of my receipts, which makes
for much better memory of what I spent, and also of keeping track of
what I spent it on.

Ah, well.  Maybe I'm just blessed.  Like I said before, they eagerly
gave me two extra vouchers, when they realized their mistake.
(they screwed up with sending me the student vouchers)

--chet--

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: rub@aero.org (Jerzy W. Rub)
Subject: Re: Long Flights.
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, Los Angeles, California
	<tomc.702966520@citr.uq.oz.au>
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 08:12:23 GMT


Currently B747-400 and MD-11 are the two longest range airplanes both having
capability to fly over 8,000 miles.  The B747-400's range is around 8,400
miles.  MD-11 had some early problems with the range due to its engines not
being as efficient as expected (and there may have been some aerodynamic
problems, too).  Both United and Quantas use the 400 on their LAX-SYD runs.
In the past (before the 400 and the MD-11) B747-SP (for special performance)
was the only plane capable of covering that distance (7,400+ miles).  The SP
looks like a 747 but it is shorter and carries about 120 people less than
say the B747-100 or -200.

Few weeks back LA Times Travel section had a quiz question about the longest
commercial flight and LAX-SYD was the winner but I wouldn't be surprised if
someone put the new 747 on even a longer run.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: carruth@mksol.dseg.ti.com (matthew carruth)
Subject: Re: Polar flights
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:59:52 GMT

I think Air New Zealand does it over the South Pole to South America.
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 14:35:35 MST
From: <IACJLH@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject:    PHOENIX to ATLANTA to TAMPA/ST. PETE

FOR SALE:  One way ticket (male name) from Phoenix to Tampa/St Petersburg
via Atlanta.  Get out of the desert in June!

DATE:  June 3, 1992
DEPART:  06:10 (Breakfast included)
ARRIVE:  Atlanta 12:21, Tampa/St. Pete 15:10.

Round trip cost $360.  Will sell this one way for $100 or best offer.
Reply before 4/24/92 or after 5/08/92.-------------
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 13:17:46 EST
From: Asher Samuels <ASAHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Cheap Fare JFK --> TLV

The subject line just about says it all.  The catch is (or perhaps, catches
are) that:
1) I'm going to need my full luggage allowance
2) I have only a two-day "flight window," since I have to wait until
school ends and get there before a course begins.
Any advice would be much appreciated.  Please e-mail me at
abs@everest.hunter.cuny.edu
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From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Eaasy-sabre access??
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:47:42 GMT

haynes@fleagle.ucsd.edu (Kevin Haynes) writes:

>	I am familiar with Eaasy-sabre and was hoping someone could tell me
>how to access this system.  I used Eaasy-sabre when I had a subscription to
>Prodigy a few months ago, but I do not subscribe any longer...  Are there any
>*other* ways to access the system, such as dial-in lines, or other services?

You can get there from Compu$erve for sure, and I think GENIE too.
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: Student Discounts
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 06:13:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.174041.26524@athena.mit.edu> eckhouse@athena.mit.edu (D. Noah Eckhouse) writes:
>A few more tips for you airfare junkies out there (myself included!):
>
>                   The reservationist also told me something else:
>(which I had never heard before...)  USAir has a student discount of
>10% off of almost every fare they have.  You just gotta ask.


That's right:  the restrictions are that you have to be between 16 and
26 inclusive and a full-time college student (sometimes you have to
show ID, sometimes not).
-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
From: hafer@apple.com (Rob Hafer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Long Flights.
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:18:09 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <1992Apr7.100548.26744@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield) writes:
> 
> Yep, you're right about SYD-LAX being one of the longest, if not THE longest,
> it's about 14 hours each way - I did it last week. 14 hours is enough time for
> 2 movies, 2 or 3 meals, numerous snacks, a bit of sleep (if you're lucky) and
> there's STILL plenty of time to get bored.
> 
> Tim Hatfield
> timh@extro.ucc.su.oz.au

FYI...a few years ago the longest non-stop flight was a United's SFO-SYD run 
(using 747SP's)...looks like its gone now.

..Rob Hafer (Apple Computer)
From: chris@psg.com (Chris Pinkham)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Longest Segment (was Welcome/etc.)
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:41:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: psg.1992Apr15.154108.22230
Distribution: na
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon, US

>    No one wanting to fly to Jo'burg ?  I think not.  This is BA's most
>    profitable route by far.  Hence, the reason for Virgin elbowing its
>    way in.

By noone I meant relatively few carriers for the amount of traffic
on that route. The reason the route to JHB is expensive is because
there is little competition - many national carriers refused to
fly to South Africa during the eighties. BA didn't, and that's why it's
their most profitable route.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: libove@libove.det.dec.com (Jay Vassos-Libove)
Subject: Re: BUMPS
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Detroit Ultrix Resource Center
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:37:34 GMT

My wife and I were returning from Philadelphia to Detroit
via Northwest at Thanksgiving time and offered to give up
our confirmed seats (there were two more flights that evening
headed our way). Well, sure enough they had overbooked the
flight and more people showed up than there were seats
available. We got the next flight, business class seats
(it was a wide body instead of typical plane, so it had
three classes, and coach was full), and two free round trip
vouchers. There are some restraints on the vouchers, but they're
good for a couple/few years and will work for us just great :)

We were flying back from San Juan to Detroit (through Orlando
and Atlanta) right after Christmas and Delta goofed on the
flight out of San Juan such that we were more than an hour
late in departing, and arrived after our connection to Atlanta.
Delta wanted to wait list us on a later flight to Atlanta (which
would have required us to wait list again, in Atlanta, to get
a continuing flight to Detroit). No way. I bitched for a while
and was told "I'm sorry we just don't have any other flights
and the flights on other airlines are full". So, I went and
checked the all-flights board and found a US Air flight connecting
through their Charleston (?) hub, and came back to Delta and
said "you've screwed us up, so put us on that flight". They
hemmed and hawed (because they had only offered flights on
other airlines than US Air) but ultimately went ahead and
gave us seats on the US Air flight. It was a real shame that
the US Air flight only had First Class seats left :-)

Moral of the story: if you have the time to wait, offering to
be bumped is a good thing, and if you get screwed by an airlines
mistake / overbooking / delay / whatever, though they actually
don't have to do anything for you, it is best to see what you
can get out of them, even if it means being a pest for a while.
Be creative, find alternatives, make suggestions.
--

Jay Vassos-Libove                  libove@det.dec.com
Digital Equipment Corporation      decwrl!det.dec.com!libove
Open Systems Resource Center       Opinions? They're mine, mine, all mine!
Farmington Hills, Michigan         and D.E.C. Can't have 'em!
From: jordan@MooreNet.COM (Jordan Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Airline food
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:15:39 GMT
Organization: Moore Capital Management, Inc. NYC

Robert Ashcroft <rna@leland.Stanford.EDU> writes:

	Most airlines that have planes like this have moved their
	galleys up to the passenger level to make room for lucrative
	freight.

Have they actually moved them in the older planes, or do you mean that
newer planes get configured this way?  I've noticed no change in older
747, DC-10, and L-1011 aircraft.

/jordan