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From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Serial I/O cards?
Keywords: serial uart
Date: 27 Dec 92 18:38:22 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Dec26.175221.5170@qucis.queensu.ca> jardined@qucis.queensu.ca (Donald Jardine) writes:
>What's a good serial I/O card that will work with OS2 2.0 on an AT bus
>and will accept 16550AFN uarts?  Where can it be obtained? Approximate price?

Any serial card that you can physically plug the chips into will do just fine.
There are folks out there who claim that the card must be specifically
designed for the 16550; this is bunk.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
 "Brought to you by the letters O, S, and by the number 2." -- Mike Levis
From: heiser@acs.bu.edu (William Heiser)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 Error Code List
Date: 4 Jan 93 03:57:28 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1993Jan3.231327.2564@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>And here's another possibility: they've got just enough room for a
>couple short strings.  Why not pick the five top world languages, say,
>and use those?  Perhaps we'll insult the Croatians and the Lithuanians
>in the process, but it might be an improvement.

Well, I assume you're being facitious :-)

I (apparently incorrectly) assumed that ENGLISH was basically a standard
at least at the *OS* level.  I figured it was similar to the standard 
established for Air Traffic Control, where it is nearly universally
agreed (so I'm told) that English is the official language.

BTW, the Croatian girl in my AI class this past semester spoke
very good English :-) :-)
From: tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: UART16550AFN??
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 21:15:39 CST
Reply-To: zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

> What company (ie, semiconductor manufacturer) makes this chip and
> what places can I get it from??
> 
NS16550AFN
NS= National Semiconductor

JDR Electronics has them.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich)
Subject: Re: HELP: co-install OS/2, UNIX, MSDOS ?
Reply-To: uunet.uu.net!weyrich!orville
Organization: Weyrich Computer Consulting
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 13:46:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.052045.4277@elektro.cmhnet.org> charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
>   P3   OS/2	90 MB	 Primary partition (now)
>After re-flagging P2 as the active partition, I found that the Interactive
>UNIX "boot manager" will let me choose between UNIX and OS/2 just fine,
>BUT:  as soon as I recreate the P1 partition as a MSDOS primary partition,
>OS/2 refuses to boot; actually, it does boot and then about 5 seconds later
>it craps out with a TRAP 00D code and dumps the registers.  It doesn't do 
>this if the OS/2 partition is the only primary partition.
>
I had similar symptoms trying to get OS/2 to work with an AHA-1542B controller
and a Maxtor 1.5 GB SCSI drive -- my problems were removed by installing the
CSD a.k.a. service pack.  If you haven't tried the service pack, you might
give it a try.



orville

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: linstee@dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl (Erik van Linstee)
Subject: Trident driver (old&new) question (8514 spec.)
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 18:30:58 GMT

Hi,

I got myself a new monitor yesterday, so I installed new drivers
to fully utilise it. I used to have the 800x600x16 drivers
installed without any problems. Now I have the 1024x768x16
with 8514 resources installed. (and the 256 colors for WINOS2)
There are a few problems.

- starting a windowed DOS session locks up the machine, unless
  I start a full screen session before that.

- Switching between DOS full screen and windowed does not work.
  Switching from full screen to windowed is ok, but the other
  way around the monitor looses sync and the screen is full of
  bogus characters.

- In WINOS2 the screen is not always properlay addressed. Parts get
  drawn on the wrong piece of the screen so it may end up cluttered.

- Switching from WINOS2 (full screen) to WPS doesn't refresh the screen
  properly. The WPS effectively remains visible when switching back
  to WINOS2.

- DOS graphics programs wont run in a window. It complains of not
  having enough memory (16M), whereas the 800x600 never did such
  a thing.

So, are these known problems? And, are they fixed by the new
(32-bit) drivers?

Thanks
Erik

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: broberts@fox.nstn.ns.ca (James MacLean)
Subject: SP:DOS5.0 SPCFC DOS SESSION, DEL = trap000d
Summary: os2krnl fix wanted for os/2 2.0 SP
Keywords: SP DOS DEL trap
Organization: Student Assistance
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 16:20:42 GMT

  A posting some time back showed that a fix would be forth coming for a 
problem in the os2krnl of the SP that caused a trap00d to occur whenver a 
specific DOS sessions initiates a DEL request.
  Does this fix exist anywhere? I haven't been able to run my netware(NWLITE)
since the service pack:-(!!!! I have left messages at the OS/2 BBS with out
any replies. Every specific DOS session has this problem.

THNXS.
JES
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Subject: Re: "IBM is listening." How?  (was Re: IBM won't accept Internet...)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:51:33 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
Keywords: IBM problem report compuserve cis

Well, the internet newsgroups all get shadowed into IBM on a read-only basis.
People can arrange to post out, and there are a few who do on regular basis.

Research, Austin (AIX development) and some other pockets of IBM have more
direct access. While most of those people (myself included) don't have
any direct responsibilty for OS/2, we try and get word back to people when
it's important. 

From my perspective, what matters the most is that when something happens
that makes people on the internet really yell, there's a pretty good chance
that someone who can do something about it will see it and look into the
problem. It's not the way to solve day to day problems, nothing informal
ever is. 

I don't think anyone's got formal repsonsibility to "talk to the internet"
But I'll ask in some of our internal discussions and see where that 
stands these days. 

David W. Levine --  dwl@watson.ibm.com  -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
                   -- My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your
aim" - George Santayana
From: Doug_Smith@Novell.COM (J. Douglas Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: 32 Bit HPFS
Keywords: HPFS
Date: 24 Dec 92 18:33:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Novell, Inc.

Will the new 2.1 release have the 32 bit HPFS included?

Doug Smith
UNIX Desktop Group
Novell DSG

jdsmith@bugs.npd.provo.novell.com
From: kitchin@lf.hp.com (Bruce Kitchin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Service pack disks
Date: 23 Dec 1992 15:48:30 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard Santa Clara Site
NNTP-Posting-Host: eden.avo.hp.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.2 PL7]

shawn c brown (brown-sh@news.cis.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: 	Has anyone been able to unzip the service disks from Hobbes??
: I keep getting an unknown compression method error...
: 

You probably need to get the info zip archive from hobbes.  It is found
in the directory pub/os2/2.0/archivers.  There is both the zip and the
unzip programs.  They are 32 bit and pretty good.  I've found that a lot
of hobbes zip files are done with this utility.  It has better compression
than pkzip (in the current release).  Since the pkware products updates were
delayed, I gather they went with info zip since it did a better job.
From: pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (Jeremy Mathers)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Help with ansi.sys in dos mode
Date: 30 Dec 92 00:02:05 GMT
Reply-To: pynq@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: D. J. Dougherty & Associates

In article <baloo.725667761@mik.uky.edu> baloo@nx01.mik.uky.edu (kevin s coupal) writes:
>I added a device line to my config.sys for ansi.sys and i rebooted my machine
>but i still didn't get any ansi.sys in memory.  Maybe i put the command in the wrong
>config.sys?  I'm lost.  Anyone know?  Or perhaps there is an ansi.exe that
>i could use instead of the dos one?

I noticed this also.  I have had good luck with ANSI137.COM (available
from your finer archive sites).

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From: chris@cad.gatech.edu (Chris McClellen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Did microsoft really write an OS/2 "Terminator" crash prog?
Date: 31 Dec 1992 07:54:26 -0500
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology, CAE/CAD Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: cae.cad.gatech.edu

In <1992Dec31.053435.21362@cbnews.cb.att.com> shurr@cbnews.cb.att.com (larry.a.shurr) writes:

>In article <1hspsiINNc1d@cae.cad.gatech.edu> chris@cad.gatech.edu (Chris McClellen) writes:
>}In <1992Dec30.172609.17583@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross) writes:

]Is that so uncommon?  I'm serious.  Please don't theorize.
]Report the facts as you know them.  (I'm inclined to agree

I dont see anything wrong with posting an opinion about why 
IBM made OS/2 not boot without CONFIG.SYS.  I put in the
word THEORIZE so one would know it was an opinion instead
of FUD.
From: tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Serial I/O cards?
Keywords: serial uart
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 20:00:01 CST
Reply-To: zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

jardined@qucis.queensu.ca (Donald Jardine) writes:

> >
> >Any serial card that you can physically plug the chips into will do just fin
> >There are folks out there who claim that the card must be specifically
> >designed for the 16550; this is bunk.
> >-- 
> >Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
> >jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
> 
> Not quite true.  I recently bought an IO card with a 16450 on it as COM2, had
> our electronics technician unsolder it, install a socket, and install
> a real NS16550AFN.  OS2 now refuses to even recognize that COM2 is present,
> let alone use the uart.
 
Sounds like the chip wasn't put it very well...or there was an accident, or 
that was a bad chip.  Accidents happen.  Don't give up so quick.

> No, I have not tried the obvious test of putting a 16450 in the socket, but
> I had a similar experience with an Everex board that was supplied with
> a socketed 16550. OS2 wouldn't recognize the COM port on that board either,
> lthough ordinary DOS would do so.  Peculiarly enough, the Everex DOS 
> diagnostics wouldn't run on their  16550AFN uart  port either, even under 
> MS DOS!

Can't help you on this one.. sorry.

The BOCA I/O 2by4 seems to be a solid serial card for OS/2.  4 ports
with the equivalent of 16550's each.   I've had some problems with the 
parallel portion, but I'm waiting for a new card next week that is supposed
to be better... I'll be posting to the net as soon as I have it working now.

Greg

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From: gjo@brt.deakin.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Star Control II?
Date: 1 Jan 93 15:32:13 EST
Organization: C&CS, Deakin University
NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.viccol.edu.au

Does Star Control II run under DOS emulation on OS/2?
I was thinking of buying this game but my HD is all HPFS so I can't
boot real DOS and still access the HD.

Greg O'Sullivan
(gjo@brt.deakin.edu.au)
From: steck@ccs.northeastern.edu (Paul Steckler)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: avga and co-processor
Keywords: avga co-processor
Date: 3 Jan 93 19:09:59 GMT
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U

In article <1993Jan3.153105.21121@netcom.com> debby@netcom.com (Debby Hungerford) writes:
> 2 problems. 1) I need a 256 color driver for my avga video card. 2) If
>I add a math-coprocessor, do I need to re-install os2?

The maker of the AVGA card chipset is Cirrus Logic.  They have an 
AVGA driver for OS/2, but it only runs with certain cards.
United Solutions, whose AVGA card I have, was writing their own
last I checked.  Don't hold your breath, though.  They originally
promised a driver in June (from Cirrus), and were still working
on their own last month.

-- Paul

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From: sl31+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen M. Lacy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: IBM has to much money, or OS/2 as a cash cow.
Date: 22 Dec 92 12:53:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8fBtlq600WB78S648l
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.os2.misc: 22-Dec-92 IBM has to much money,
or O.. by Ghiora Drori@gumby.Altos 
> Seems to me that IBM is about to make a bundle annoying their customers
> and overloading their toll free number. (It took only five minutes to get
> through.. )

Ok, think here now. Let's just say that OS/2 is selling at a rate of
300,000 copies a month.  So, in October, 300,000 copies were sold.  They
want $20 for each copy, thats $6,000,000.  Ok, to us, thats a big
number.  Now, think of the mainframes that IBM sells.  I'm sure that
there is a mainframe that is about to be sold right now that costs at
least that much, maybe more.  So, OS/2 in general is not a short term
money making project for IBM, it is very long term.  The same thing is
true with their personal computers.  I don't remember the exact numbers,
but I believe that well over 50% of IBM's profits are from mainframe
sales and maintenance, software, etc.  So, the (extreme over estimate
of) $6,000,000 is peanuts to them.  (I believe they net in the billions
every year) 

Steve


"Forgive me please for hurting so.  Don't go away heartbroken, no."
-Peter Murphy
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: myersr@geoduck.nosc.mil (Richard Myers)
Subject: Reading CDROM from Sun SPARC
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:28:36 GMT

I have access to several Sun SPARCs with CDROMs attached.  Does
anyone know how to make a SPARC recognize the PDK or OS/2 2.1 beta 
CD format?  Our SPARCs read the High Sierra File System (HSFS or
ISO-9660) format by default, which apparently isn't the same as IBM's
format (CDFS?).

Thanks,
Dick Myers (myersr@nosc.mil)
NRaD, San Diego
From: nol2321@dsacg4.dsac.dla.mil (Jim Tomale Dunn)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Serial I/O cards?
Keywords: serial uart
Date: 31 Dec 92 18:02:15 GMT
Organization: Defense Logistics Agency Systems Automation Center, Columbus

In article <1992Dec26.175221.5170@qucis.queensu.ca> jardined@qucis.queensu.ca (Donald Jardine) writes:
>What's a good serial I/O card that will work with OS2 2.0 on an AT bus
>and will accept 16550AFN uarts?  Where can it be obtained? Approximate price?

I got my AT I/O Card with 2 Serial Ports, 1 Parallel Port, 1 Game Port;
the Com1 port was standard, the Com2 port was 16550AFN, with cables and
docs for only $35.  Although I've not used it with O/S 2, it should work
fine.  You can get it from MDG Computing, at (614) 837-5688, Ohio.

Jim

Std Disclaimer applies:  I'm not associated with this company, I'm just
a satified customer...
From: KENKAHN@PKSMRVM.VNET.IBM.COM (Kenneth A. Kahn)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 17:15:30 EST
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 Error Code List
Organization: Staff of IBM Fellow - IBM Personal/370
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 3.0
X-X-From: KENKAHN@PKSMRVM.VNET.IBM.COM (Ken Kahn)

In <105945@bu.edu> William Heiser writes:
>Is there available a list of the error codes for OS/2?
>One of the things I've always hated about IBM is the way they
>report things like "sys01475" with absolutely no clue what that
>really means.  Even a short string like "invalid boot block" or
>something would be useful.
>
>For example, this morning my machine wouldn't boot - at the point where
>the boot manager usually takes over, the machine simply said:
>
>OS/2 !! Sys01475
>OS/2 !! Sys02027
>
>How useful!  (NOT!)
>
>I was about to start a re-install, and in the process discovered that
>a non-bootable floppy was in drive A:.  Why didn't OS/2 boot manager
>just SAY that???
Those messages basically translate to "Non System Disk, please ReBOOT".  It
was decided for OS/2 V2 to change the text to message numbers to allow for
NLS considerations.  The idea was to document the specific text for each NLS
version of OS/2 V2.  Unfortunately, that documentation is hard to find (if it
exists at all).  There's a lot of discussion on this internally, including
what to do instead.  Below is the description of each message:

 SYS1475: The file OS2BOOT cannot be found.
 SYS2025: A disk read error occurred.
 SYS2027: Insert a system diskette and restart the system.

As for other system messages, there's no one source for them.  The best you
can try is to type HELP #### where ### is the error number at an OS/2 command
prompt.  The ones listed above won't be there, but most others will.
From: Zak.Smith%f736.n154.z1@xanadu.mil.wi.us (Zak Smith)
Sender: FredGate@xanadu.mil.wi.us
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: OS/2 will not run a DOS box anymore!
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:49:00 -0600

  I hope someone can help me here..

  Os2 had not been letting me use the ShutDown selection on the main menu 
for a while and that was no big deal.  Now my Dos box and my Booted dos 
session no longer work!  It says something to the effect that there is not 
enough memory and asks if I want to go into the Setup.  Well, this all 
worked before, and I don't think I changed anything that would do this.  I 
had been using the SP update, but I just re-installed from the orig. disks 
to see if that would help; it didn't.

 I would appreciate any help you can offer! (by email)

- Zak (zak.smith@xanadu.mil.wi.us)


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: g1nickut@cdf.toronto.edu (Nick Zahariadis)
Subject: Re: leave OS/2 running - the monitor too?
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Disciplines Facility
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:21:50 GMT

In article <4706@drsrv1.hmi.de> pfr@drsrv1.hmi.de (Fritsch_Wolfgang) writes:
>Someone discussed here the pros and cons of leaving OS/2 running
>24 hours a day. The main argument was that this means less wear to the
>electronics than switching on/off does.

 This is true with all computer equipment BTW. Switching a machine on and
 off does really bad things to your system, *on a long term basis*. Most
 users don't have the ability to buy a power conditioner and surge protector.

>O.k. now, but what about the monitor? Would it be advisable to
>switch off the monitor overnight (assuming that one does not work
>overnight...)?

 Hmm, I wouldn't do that, for the same reason. BTW, if you are going to
 switch the monitor off, why not shut down the CPU too?

 Here's what I do and have found to be useful. Enable the screen saver and
 maybe turn the contrast and/or brightness down.

 Nick.

 P.S. This just prompted me to remember the last time I turned my computer
      on.

 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: baloo@nx01.mik.uky.edu (kevin s coupal)
Subject: Help with ansi.sys in dos mode
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: nx01.mik.uky.edu!baloo
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:22:41 GMT

I added a device line to my config.sys for ansi.sys and i rebooted my machine
but i still didn't get any ansi.sys in memory.  Maybe i put the command in the wrong
config.sys?  I'm lost.  Anyone know?  Or perhaps there is an ansi.exe that
i could use instead of the dos one?
Kevin Coupql
Kevin Coupal
From: rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Internet is too big....CI$ is much smaller.
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:19:41 GMT
Organization: San Jose State University - Math/CS Dept.

Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:

>In article <1gt8mbINN5ns@agate.berkeley.edu> stanton@haas.berkeley.edu (Richard Stanton) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec18.101853.22386@actrix.gen.nz> Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>> >IBM in the US probably can't handle to volume - and cost - of the Internet
>> >problems...besides, they want these things to be done locally by the national
>> >versions of the various IBMs......
>> 
>> I griped to the Compuserve problem report ID (from my Internet account...) that
>> cutting off Internet support was a stupid idea. The reply was that it was 
>> less a policy decision not to support Internet users, but more to
>> do with IBM's agreement with Compuserve, and the lack of any such agreement
>> with "the Internet". I don't quite understand what that means, particularly
>> when IBM has many Internet type addresses, but maybe someone else has some ideas.
>> 
>> Richard Stanton

>Sounds like Compu$erve's connection to the Internet is there to serve CI$
                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>users....NOT to provide access to CI$ forum operators from the Internet. This
 ^^^^^^
>is the sort of thing we can expect from for-profit operations like CI$. They
>will deliberately spike things like IBM supporting Internet users - because
>they want people to join CI$. (Fat chance!!!).
> 
>Steve

Does that surprise you?  Why should it?  CIS is a business.  Their business
is to service their customers (users).  The customers pay the bills,
their partners do not (IBM in this case is a service partner, providing
the IBM fora in a partnership with CIS).  CIS may not be for you, but
a lot of businesses purchase accounts for their tech support staff so
that they can use CIS as one medium for receiving technical support.

>-- 
>Steve Withers - Wellington, New Zealand | On Sept. 19th, 88% of NZ voters opted
>Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz         | for proportional representation. It
>+64 4 478 4714                          | looks like we may get a more  
>**** Happy user of OS/2 v2!! ****       | democratic system "real soon now".