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From: creeper@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Wolfgang Kies)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Whilce Portacio (Jester)
Date: 12 Sep 92 06:47:53 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1685F13DFB.MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> MHART00@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (mason hart) writes:
>In article <3535@babcock.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu>
>husty@cathedral.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Steve Husty) writes:
> 
>     To be sure, Image has bad titles just like everyone else (I
>still won't touch Liefield with a ten foot pole).  But don't turn
>your back on the whole line out of pique.  Spawn and Wildcats at
>least deserve a little credit, and Savage Dragon isn't as repulsive
>as the X-men have become.  Give them a chance.

> 
Give me a break I may not read the X-men but someone ordered Savage
Dragon for me and I actually read it. And I have to say that it was
one of the worst stories I ever read. I mean there was no real story
alot of nice art but that was all. If Image will attract good writers
and not just get artists then I will start to take them serious. Write
now all they do is attract slobering fanboys. 

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|The amount of blood contained in the human body continues to startle me|
|I doubt if I'll get used to it, the way it seems to stick to your skin |
|trying to get back inside another body.                                |
|                             --Wolfgang Kies--                         |
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: Batman Animated: Feat of Clay
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 00:45:27 GMT

In article <mumble> prec@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>Now the down side: I thought Tuesday/Wednesday's episode,
>"Feat of Clay" was the weakest shown so far. I knew it was
>going to be trouble as soon as I saw Marv Wolfman credited
>with the story. (Does anyone think he is a good writer?)

Marv used to be a really good writer, but maybe he's getting burned
out or something.

I did not like the first part of "Feat of Clay" very much but I did
like the second part.  I noticed that Marv did the teleplay for part
one but not for part two so maybe he just can't write teleplays.

>Some of my MAJOR problems with the script:
>
>- Batman using blatant methods of illegal coercion (i.e.,
>lifting the crook with his plane and threateninmg to drop
>him) to obtain information. Ditto for the guy in the hospital
>lab with the jar of "germs". (I know it was a trick, but the
>point about coercion remains). Portraying Batman as judge,
>jury and executioner is not an admirable role-model.

I thought the entire Batplane scene was pretty contrived.  Why didn't
Batman just find Bell, rough him up a bit, scare him, and then
interrogate him?  Maybe have it happen as Bell was leaving the bar -
Bats grabs him, drags him into the alley, does the routine, Bell
faints, and then the police show up and Bats has to run off.

The bit in the hospital is classic Batman (well, depending on your
definition of "classic Batman" I guess) though so I didn't mind it a
bit.  

>-OK, the one that bugged me the most: Clayface's full power. Has
>Wolfman ever heard of the Conservation of Matter and Energy?
>How does a normal, 180-pound man transform into a blob of
>clay that must weigh 500 pounds? How can this creature spit
>off giant chunks of itself or extend its arms fifty feet and 
>remain the same size?

Comic book physics!  It happens all the time.

>And I forgot to mention the ultimately trite ending of having
>the monster break off its deathstroke when Hagen saw himself
>on the video. You probably heard me groan across the country.

While it was a cliche and I saw it coming a mile away, I still liked
it.  It had the right feel to it.

>Anybody else think this episode was inferior to others
>we've seen? I think the Mr.Freeze episode was the best so far.

Agreed.

BTW, my cable company fritzed out FOX on me this afternoon so I missed
today's episode (Thursday, something to do with the mob).  Is it a
single episode story or another two-parter?



-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."

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From: berninge@iron.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger)
Subject: Re: hey, that's WALT simonson doing superman!
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:04:07 GMT

In article <BuEK7F.KGs@queernet.org> rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.020315.8110@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
>dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>|> A #2 is unlikely, given that this issue was A: in the can for several years 
>|> before being published this month, and B: a post-crisis retcon of a classic 
>|> 1970's Superman story under Denny O'Neill's editorial helm. 
>
>Umm... 
>
>A: Nope.  The story was just completed recently.
>B: Nope.  Denny was the writer; Julie Schwartz was the editor.

A: My understanding is that DC had to remind Mr. Simonson that he
was under contract to finish the story.  After all, DC *had* run
several house ads for it (it was supposed to be Superman Annual 3,
if memory serves me -- that would have been two years ago, and at
that time the house ad showed the title page;  it was nice of Walt
to put dates on other pages as late as 2/92), and the time-delay is
extremely obvious:  Lois doesn't know Clark is Superman yet, etc.

As for whether anyone liked it (a question raised in the original
article), I can only speak for myself.

Tripe.

The 70's story took eight issues to tell to completion -- far more
pages than this attempt.  It is somewhat rare that a current
retelling of a story is shorter and more badly written than the
origianl (badly written, maybe, but not shorter).  The science is
lacking -- moreso than in a typical superhero story (I'd say it would
even compete with LSH #19, but I'll try to avoid that).  The dialog
is mildly amusing, but definitely *not* worth the $3.50 cover tag.
I'm quite certain that DC is trying to capitalize on their loss over
the story...

Jim Berninger                   ______ "This is no 'Whoops!'  This is
B0 w- c- g k s- e r- p          \    /  an 'Aaaaaaaauuuuuggggghhhh!'"
berninge@cn.ecn.purdue.edu       \  /   - Harvey ("Arnold") Fierstein
Green Lantern Fan, Extraordinaire \/      "Torch Song Trilogy"
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: Batman Animated: Feat of Clay
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:11:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.163012.1918@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.131411.26608@midway.uchicago.edu>, prec@ellis.uchicago.edu (bruce lyman precourt) writes:
>> 
>> Now the down side: I thought Tuesday/Wednesday's episode,
>> "Feat of Clay" was the weakest shown so far.
>
I kinda liked it.  Didn't really care for today's Crimelord story tho.
>
>
>> Portraying Batman as judge,
>> jury and executioner is not an admirable role-model.
>
>
I figure this is sorta like Batman year 1.  He's still a mystery. Not trusted
by the cops,  Many people don't belive he's real, Harvey Dent's still Harvey, He
's meeting all the villians for the first time.  Batman's supposed to be really 
violent till he hooks up with Dent so his busts can be used in court.  I like it

>
>> -OK, the one that bugged me the most: Clayface's full power. Has
>> Wolfman ever heard of the Conservation of Matter and Energy?
>> How does a normal, 180-pound man transform into a blob of
>> clay that must weigh 500 pounds? How can this creature spit
>> off giant chunks of itself or extend its arms fifty feet and 
>> remain the same size?
>
>Miraculously fast cell reproduction?  But WHERE does he get the energy to
>perform his feats, given that he need neither food nor sleep?  Electrical
>charges, perhaps?  Note the way the little lump shifted around every time
>Bats prodded it with the probe.
>
>Now, a gripe of my own:  creating claws and bone-like structures is one
>thing (after all, they're made of cells), but METAL CLAWS?!
>
Maybe they were a super ceramic. :-)
>> And I forgot to mention the ultimately trite ending of having

>> the monster break off its deathstroke when Hagen saw himself
>> on the video. You probably heard me groan across the country.

I thought this was kinda neat.  The animation looked cool. Anybody notice
that he turned into Eclipso for a moment?

Tomorow: THE JOKER

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject: Re: Ben Edlund *is* Bruce Wayne (new BATMAN series)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:39:39 GMT
Keywords: BATMAN

In article <1992Sep9.064547.18911@tc.fluke.COM>, moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) writes:
> 
> A couple of other observations:
> 
>     Boy, sure are a lotta evil industrialists running all over Gotham.

You can say that again.  In 4 out of 5 episodes (including today's),
there's an Evil Industrialist in the plot.

>     I actually thought the look of the show (backgrounds)
>     looked a bit more 50's than 30's (ala THE SILENT INVASION),

So THAT'S what the opening credits were reminding me of!  Thanks!  :-)

>     They're moving the voices around some.  Hammill plays the Joker and an
>     evil industrialist.  Ron Perlman as Clayface (har-dee-har-har.)  Clive
>     Revill (sp?) or Efram Zimbalist Jr as Alfred.  Ed Begley Jr. as a
>     henchman.  Ed Asner playing a really wonderful villain's voice.  And so
>     on.

Michael Ansara as Mister Freeze.  Adrienne Barbeau as Catwoman.  And so on...

> But what a chin!

Which makes the blimp-slamming bit in "On Leather Wings" unintentionally
hilarious...  B-)
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
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From: carols@world.std.com (Carol Springs)
Subject: Re: Gaiman on Miracleman Collection
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:43:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.191450.20191@news2.cis.umn.edu> lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu 
(Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

>I wouldn't mind so much if Miracleman back issues were readily available.
>(Heck, I wouldn't mind if present issues of Miracleman were available in 
>shops. #28 comes out in November, right?) Unfortunately, the local retailers
>must fear a Miracleman surplus more than a case of veneral warts AND a swarm 
>of extra issues of Sandman.

Too true.  When I picked up the latest issue of MM from my subscription box,
the shop owner at the register commented, "Oh, Miracleman.  You know, you're
lucky to get a copy of this.  I wish more people would subscribe the way you
do.  I get a lot of people in here asking about Miracleman, and I'm always 
out."

"So why don't you just order more copies?" I asked, knowing full well what 
the answer would be.

"Oh, if I ordered more they'd just sit on the shelf and take up space ..."
 
 
-- 
Carol Springs                      carols@world.std.com
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Dr. Strange
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:53:13 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

In article <5832@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> hummell+@pitt.edu (Andrew G Hummell) writes:
>mentioned that Marvel still uses that list today.  What I want to know is if
>this list was ever published (in a comic, magazine, or in a game supplement
>for the role-playing game), and, if so, where.

	There was a Mavel Super-Heroes Supplemeent called "Mysterious
Magic" or something like that that detailed the use of magic in the MU.
It had a huge list of spells for Strange, and also had stats on a lot of
the current magic-based characters in the MU.
-- 
Rick Jones				Systems Support Center
albert@bcm.tmc.edu			Baylor College of Medicine
Voice: 713-798-7352			standard disclaimers apply
You're only young once,but you can always be immature. - Dave Barry
From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: LNH: Re: Legion Of Net Villains, NOT
Date: 5 Sep 92 05:31:52 GMT
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Sep2.172723.16737@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>was it necessary for those members of the LNV who wanted to rule the world to 
					   ^^^
>Ahem<.  That's BotENV, Brotherhood of Evil.Net.Villians.  And you better smile
when ya' say it, ya droll do-gooder!

Pox ex machina,
GreenRingWraith
......................................................................
"You're just lucky my nose is out-a-joint!"
  --- the Jolly Green Gargantuan, ex-Dada Dude, Horror for Hire, BotENV
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
......................................................................
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Classic STAR WARS
Date: 12 Sep 92 21:28:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Get Classic Star Wars!!!!

DO NOT MISS THIS ONE! Like SW: Dark Empire, #1 will be out for $20
on dealer's shelves in a week or two.

It is ***FANTASTIC*** -- Not just crap to collect like X-Force #1.
Al Williamson, the incredible Empire Strikes back comics adapter,
drew this. He is *INCREDIBLE* -- a *fantastic* artist who does 
the SW characters and ships in incredible detail and realism. 
Archie Goodwin, a great writer, penned it. (I have trouble reading
for looking at the pictures.)

ess is excellent. 

This is a must for people who either love SW or want
a good comic to read (for a change).

Scott
From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: DC Comics E-Mail
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:19:18 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

A while back, someone posted an e-mail address for DC Comics,
which was, I think, dccomics@mcimail.com (Please correct me 
if I'm wrong.) 

Does anyone know if they'll accept "Letters to the Editor"
through that?
-- 
The world is not analog. The world is digital,
with an incredible number of bits.
Arthur C. Adams (not the comic-book artist)                        <fnord>
E-Mail acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil
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From: carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: Cerebus #161
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:17:01 PST

In article <1992Sep6.144318.1@fnalo.fnal.gov>, birmingh@fnalo.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham) writes:
> 
>          One short question: Who's the guy in the bar who sounds like
>     Yosemite Sam?
> -- 
>  Phillip J. Birmingham   birmingh@fnal.fnal.gov  
>  I don't speak for Fermilab, although my mouth is probably big enough...

Actually, I thought it was a bizarre Scots accent, and the chap behind the bar
was Grant Morrison. But then, he didn't show us the boots, so we can't be sure.

-----
Douglass Barre -- carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
"Don't mess with people who've been dead."
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Subject: SANDMAN query - help!SKIP/NEWSGROUP
From: pdorsey@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:49:26 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

Hello Sandman fans one and all - 

	In a post of 9 September, tweaver refers obliquely to Gaiman not
killing off Rose. If memory serves (and mine is more often than not a buffet),
the last ish had Morpheus trotting off into the sunset with Delirium to go look
for the Prodigal. Was tweaver referring to Dream's mercy with Rose way back at
the end of the Doll's House arc, or have i REALLY missed something here? 


	While we're on the subject, has there been any speculation on just who
the woman is that recently jilted our favorite oneirodeity?



The 'Don't Flame Me' disclaimer:  Sorry to be so obtuse, but I've been away
from the net for three months now, and haven't been able to discuss things
sandman with a soul. :( 

One last postscript for Gaiman/McKean fans here in the States - Signal to Noise
is now available in the UK from Victor Gollancz Graphics. It's a compilation of
a story that was originally serialized in The Face, and is really fabulous.
(Even compared to the normal high standards of these two)


- Pat [pdorsey@eagle.wesleyan.edu]
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From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: CNN and the tattooed fanboy...
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 17:56:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.013358.58653@cc.usu.edu> sl859@cc.usu.edu writes:
>None of you out there have tattoos of their 
>favorite comic persona do they???

No...

Not *yet*...

And lots of folks I know do...
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
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From: kesidis@panther.uwaterloo.ca (George Kesidis)
Subject: Re: New Death appearance outside of Sandman
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:59:05 GMT

Personally, I can't wait until Lobo visits the Dreaming. 
I can see Gaiman writing a story wherein Dream and Lobo
go after the same girl.
gk
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Trouble with SANDMAN (Unrepentant Heresy About To Be...)
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:56:15 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Sep4.024829.8653@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> 
> In a way, Rose's death would have illustrated Morpheus' cold dedication to
> duty perfectly - as I still think Dream's recent ex- will do/does.
						       ^^^^^^^^^^^^

This I don't understand.  When the ex left, Dream went into self-pity mode,
and everyone in the world had wet dreams for a week.  :-)  Eventually he
got over it, and decided to go on a road trip.  Maybe I'm being dense, but I
don't see how "cold dedication to duty" fits into it.

> Conventional comics wisdom be damned! I was sure she was going to die, and
> Gaiman originally intended it. He received a lot of Save Rose messages and
> a nice little plot twist was born.

<sigh>  It's just me, but I think he should have gone with his original plan.
It is HIS story, and he should tell it the way he wants.  Besides, it
wouldn't have been cliche...

> >> I think the climax is there in the exquisite agony of Remiel,
> >> and Duma's silent acceptance. 
> > 
> > It didn't feel like a climax.  It felt more like a subplot, especially
> > Duma's "silent" acceptance (note the quotes!).  It left me wanting for
> > more (which is, of course, the intent).
> 
> Duma is an angel of silence. What do you expect?

That's not what I meant.  He doesn't speak a word, true, but that brooding
expression says it all(*).  I want to know if they'll rebel like Remiel
suggests.  I want to see Hell under the new administration.  I want to see
what happens next!

(*) Unless I'm misreading the artwork, which would effectively make me look
like a world-class fool.  :-)
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
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From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Ben Edlund *is* Bruce Wayne (new BATMAN series)
Date: 9 Sep 1992 09:46:15 GMT
Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club
Distribution: na
Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
NNTP-Posting-Host: avalanche.berkeley.edu
Keywords: BATMAN
Originator: goldfarb@avalanche.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep9.064547.18911@tc.fluke.COM> moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) writes:
)OK, admit it: when you first saw the opening credits for BATMAN, THE
)ANIMATED SERIES, you said:
)
)    "It's THE TICK!  Look at that jaw!"
)
)                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer

	Well, heck, yeah. I said it back in April when they showed 
the Man-Bat episode at Wondercon.

-- 
   David Goldfarb          | "I am the mad blind energy of the universe,
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  | I vacuum under the beds!"
goldfarb@UCBOCF.BITNET     |            -- Kim Stanley Robinson
From: cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Gaiman on Miracleman Collection
Date: 11 Sep 92 06:31:16 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

Incidentally, the _Retrieval_ stories were meant to be collected and included
in _The Golden Age_ collection.
 
But for some reason Eclipse didn't. I only found that out when I saw the
finished book. It was one of several unpleasant surprises, including the
fact they'd dropped the dedication, and left a page that was missing some
word balloons missing some word balloons.
 
But then, these are very busy people, and they have serial killer trading
cards to put out, so they can't be expected to attend to every little
detail...

Neil Gaiman
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From: carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Old Comics Man escapes (tried to be Re: Dynamo Joe)
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Date: 11 Sep 92 02:29:06 PST

In article <18ogvgINNqtc@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, haywire@yaya.WPI.EDU (the Insane One) writes:
> Does anyone know if there were anymore appearances of Dynamo Joe 
> after the truce with the Mellenares...
> I heard there were some appearances in GRIM JACK and heard
> rumors of other appearances...if anyone knows please tell me
> 
> thanks
> haywire
> 


GrimJack #30, by Ostrander and Rice... a weak story for GrimJack (one of my
least favorites, which makes it about twice as good as 90% of comics today why
in my day we didn't have any of them gol-dang crossovers and there werent no
mute ants and people wore masks and you called them Mask Man and Cape Man and
they went around and fought Nazis and... Ahem! Down, Old Comics Man!)

As I was saying, for the DJ completeist... get it. For the GJ completeist...
you probably already have it. Otherwise... get issue 36. Or 37. Or 55. Or Mask
Man Funnies #8 because it also has a story with Bill Bobson Bob Johnson, Car
Driver and its better than 200% of todays mute ants and they don't fly or lift
heavy things they just punch Nazis and drive cars and fly planes and they all
have big jaws kind of like that new-fangled Bat Man thing except where's his
bat in my day a character named Bat Man would have a bat and use it on some
Nazis...

We apologize for the escape of Old Comics Man. But then, some days it's all I
can to to keep him in the mental basement.

-----
Douglass Barre -- carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
"And we didn't have any net either we would all sit around in front of the five
and dime and talk about how Cape Man fought the Nazis with his cape..."
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