HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: news@vuse.vanderbilt.edu ()
Subject: suspected forgeries in soc.culture.turkish
Originator: news@vuse
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:18:02 GMT

I've been seeing some very strange things in my *mail* that suggest
that there may be a number of forgeries in soc.culture.turkish.
Does anyone have any pointers to a host, me.unda.edu, or even to
unda.edu.  The postings claim to be from the University of Dakota
but this name seems unlikely and the NIC has never heard of this
domain.

If you can provide any information on me.unda.edu, please contact
me by e-mail.
From: sternlie@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Paul E. Sternlieb)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: How to creat a newsgroup?:  rec.food.diners
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:53:55 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi!
I'm wondering how I would go about creating a new USENET newsgroup
about DINERS!  I would like it called rec.food.diners
Could someone help me out?  If so, please e-mail me at 
sternlie@eniac.seas.upenn.edu.
Thanks in advance...


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From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: INN and distributions
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:46:18 GMT
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com


I just switched to INN and I wonder....
I am seeing hundreds of messages a day with distribution headers
that match the newsgroup catagory (rec, sci, soc, comp, ...)

INN is dutifly throwing them on the floor.  Should I add the
base 7 as possible distributions or let it trash those groups?
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From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Date: 22 Nov 92 03:22:21 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography
NNTP-Posting-Host: skyking.oce.orst.edu

In article <EMCGUIRE.92Nov20144504@fuller.intellection.com> emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire) writes:
>In article <1ec4flINNmqk@talon.UCS.ORST.EDU> stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes:
>   A straw poll will be meaningless, because it will suffer from
>   exactly the same self-selection mechanism that the original vote
>   did. Those who care will reply to the straw poll, those who don't,
>   won't.

>By that argument, all votes are meaningless, because all votes "suffer
>from" a "self-selection mechanism."

The complaint about the r.m.s vote was that r.m.s readers didn't get to
participate. Well, they did, but they chose not to, by choosing not to
read the CFV. Anyway, because of this, the vote was skewed.

Well, if the r.m.s vote was skewed because the participant list was
self-selected, then this straw poll was skewed. Why should anyone give
more weight to a straw poll than a formally conducted vote, considering
that both are self-selected surveys?

>The respondents to the poll were the people of the *.synth readership
>who wanted to provide input into the process, 

The vote was no different.

>and the dispute brought
>more people into the process than the vote did.  

Really? You didn't include a number indicating total response in your
extremely long analysis, but adding up those who selected a, b, c, d, or
'dot' gives slightly less than 100. The vote had, as I recall, slightly
more than 270 voters. Even if not, the result would have had to had 100
MORE yes than no votes (and thus more than 100 votes total) to pass.

I think more people participated in the vote than in your straw poll.

If you DID include totals somewhere, it apparently was not in the first
26 lines, and thus those results are meaninless.

>Given the
>circumstances, it's a good bet that those who did not respond don't
>care about the outcome.

Just like during the vote.

>We should try to honor the preference of the *.synth readership, and
>the straw poll gave us a pretty good idea of what they prefer.

The vote had more participants than your straw poll. The vote was open
for at least 21 days, and your straw poll was open for only about a
week. You, by your own admission, gave those who read news.admin.* only
4 days to respond. You delayed notification of those whose admins had
implemented the name change. Yet, despite all these differences (and
all of them limitations in allowing people to participate in your straw
poll) your straw poll is a better indication of what people want. 

Sorry. It isn't.
Xref: sparky news.admin.misc:345 news.admin:8563
From: U09046@uicvm.uic.edu (Bob Jackiewicz)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,news.admin
Subject: Complete(?) listing of groups
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:17:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92322.021728U09046
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

Periodically, someone posts descriptions of a good amount of the alt.
hierarchy. However, I've not seen a posting for other hierarchies in
a long long time. Could someone please post theirs, or tell me where
I can find it? Sorry if this is a faq.

  Bob Jackiewicz                   PIPE < U09046 NOTE A | disclaim | MAILER
  BITNET: U09046@UICVM                       InterNet: U09046@uicvm.uic.edu
  University of Illinois at Chicago Computer Center - NetNews Administrator
  MASOCHIST: Windows SDK programmer with a smile!
Xref: sparky news.admin.misc:376 news.config:435
From: dct@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David C. Tuttle)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,news.config
Subject: Re: ALERT RE POSTINGS AND CORNELL ACCESS TO ALT.*.*.EROTICA HIER
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:35:48 GMT
Followup-To: news.admin.misc

M. Stuart Lynn... Some things never change...
                                               - an old Rice grad
From: wohler@sapwdf.UUCP (Bill Wohler)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: new info hierarchy?
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:15:45 GMT
Reply-To: Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de>
Organization: SAP AG, Walldorf, Germany

folks,

  in the last week, i've noticed a deluge of articles in the "info"
  hierarchy.  i am not familiar with this one.  the articles come
  from from various sites, so it doesn't appear to be a local group that
  leaked.  can someone tell me what's going on?

  i guess this is another reason we shouldn't use "all" in the sys
  file.

  if a new base hierarchy were to be created, it would announced in
  news.announce.important, right?  where else?

Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de> <sapwdf!wohler>
Heidelberg Red Barons Ultimate Frisbee Team
From: parnes@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Gary Parnes)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Where do I posted the following...
Date: 23 Nov 92 06:25:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Hi.  I'm looking for a list of TELNET services in my area (Los
Angeles).  Which newsgroup would best be able to provide info such as
this?  

Thanks in advance...
						Gary Parnes

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From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: INN and distributions
Date: 23 Nov 1992 09:17:30 -0500
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: milk.warren.mentorg.com

In <1epd5aINN5af@dsinc.dsi.com> syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein) writes:

>I just switched to INN and I wonder....
>I am seeing hundreds of messages a day with distribution headers
>that match the newsgroup catagory (rec, sci, soc, comp, ...)

>INN is dutifly throwing them on the floor.  Should I add the
>base 7 as possible distributions or let it trash those groups?

You can either try to maintain a perfect list of distributions
(which has to include rec,sci,soc,comp etc. due to people using
them as distributions) or you can have your "ME" line look like:

ME:!*::

Neither are good solutions.  I think 1/2 the problem would go
away if the rn/trn/Pnews/postnews crowd would stop generating
such a stupid default "Distribution:" line.

However, that doesn't fix the other 1/2 of the problem (users).

I don't think "Distribution:" is a feature worth saving.  It works
well in some cases but it's a disaster for others.  I would go as
far as to suggest we either create a new header or redefine what
"Distribution:" is supposed to do.

However, this has been discussed over and over with no decent solution
in sight.  All the obvious solutions have been suggested and debunked
as unworkable.  H&G, RS and others seem to feel there are other issues
that are more important.

Tom
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From: cudep@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: INN and distributions
Date: 23 Nov 1992 10:59:36 -0000
Organization: Team Limpid's Meathead With Aptitude - Kunst und Wahnsinn
NNTP-Posting-Host: spatula.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <1epd5aINN5af@dsinc.dsi.com> syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein) writes:
>I am seeing hundreds of messages a day with distribution headers
>that match the newsgroup catagory (rec, sci, soc, comp, ...)
>INN is dutifly throwing them on the floor.  Should I add the
>base 7 as possible distributions or let it trash those groups?

Good question..

I have them as valid distributions at the moment,
but whether they should be or not is a moot point.

Cheers,
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@c=GB@o=University of Warwick@ou=Computing Services@cn=Ian Dickinson  watching.
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: kdenning@portal.hq.videocart.com (Karl Denninger)
Subject: Re: biz.* hierarchy, and new group creation...
Organization: VideOcart Inc.
Distribution: news
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:41:28 GMT

In article <2747@cthulhuControl.COM> raisch@Control.COM (Robert Raisch) writes:
>Just a quick note...
>
>	What is the procedure for creating a new biz.* group?
>Thanks.
>-- 
>-- </rr>
>As a matter of conscience, I will no longer support any business in Colorado.

Annonunce your intentions in biz.config, if there are no serious objections
in a week or so create it.

Biz is an alternative set of groups for commercial messages that I helped
set up a couple of years ago.

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VideOcart Inc.		Voice: (312) 987-5022
From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:58:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: talon.1ec4flINNmqk
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography
NNTP-Posting-Host: skyking.oce.orst.edu

In article <1992Nov16.230804.22433@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
>emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire) writes:
>we must assume a dispute of some sort. I don't think "lessening the
>number of disputes" is a valid reason for ignoring valid complaints.

It isn't. But there has not yet been a valid complaint about this vote.
And creating the precedent that a valid vote can be overturned if you
whine and bitch and moan and harp about it will only make more people
try it when they don't get the results they want from a vote.

>>The newsgroup administration process should be simple, fast, and
>>cheap.  
>
>Was this rename so?

It would have been, had you not decided to whine and bitch and moan and
harp about a series of imaginary problems.

>Again, a yardstick for good policy is whether the right thing occurs
>>I think a straw poll would put this in better perspective.  I will
>>conduct one.
>
>Great!

A straw poll will be meaningless, because it will suffer from exactly
the same self-selection mechanism that the original vote did. Those who
care will reply to the straw poll, those who don't, won't.
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,news.config
From: rkeller@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rod Keller)
Subject: Re: ALERT RE POSTINGS AND CORNELL ACCESS TO ALT.*.*.EROTICA HIER
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:40:48 GMT


Look, it's the net.police!
M. Stuart Lynn, hmmm, VP for Info. Tech., hmmm
gotta remember the name

Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,news.admin.policy,news.sysadmin
From: chetal@is.morgan.com (Pradeep Chetal)
Subject: history file too big. Can I use mkhistory to reconstruct?
Organization: Information Services, Morgan Stanley, NYC
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:07:53 GMT


Our history file is too big. Can I blow it away & then use mkhistory to 
recreate the history file from /var/spool/news area. I know that protection
against old articles will be limited for a while but it is better than having
a 50M history file.

Thanks in advance,

/Pradeep
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Newsgroups: news.admin.misc,news.config
From: M. Stuart Lynn <msl1@cornell.edu>
Subject: ALERT RE POSTINGS AND CORNELL ACCESS TO ALT.*.*.EROTICA HIERARCHY
X-Xxdate: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15: 32:58 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: msl1@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:28:32 GMT

ALERT ON POSTINGS TO AND CORNELL ACTION REGARDING
ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.EROTICA

It has come to my attention that certain pictures encoded as GIF files
are circulating on the NetNews newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.erotica
(a.b.p.e) whose transmission may constitute violations of the United
States Code regarding sexual exploitation of minors, in particular
Section 2252. These pictures depict unclothed young children displayed in
a manner that could be construed as constituting sexually explicit
conduct as defined in the Code. Although some of these pictures may have
originated from outside of the United States, it is known that a number
of them have been re-distributed from sources within the United States.

One of these sources may have originated at Cornell, but there appear to
be other sources associated with other institutions. It also appears that
individuals from many institutions are explicily requesting copies of
these files. 

Effective immediately, Cornell's official newstand will no longer provide
access to the a.b.p.e, hierarchy at least until we can ascertain that
there has been no violation of the law.

M. Stuart Lynn
Vice President for Information Technologies
From: cudep@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: Clearly NOT a FORGERY
Date: 16 Nov 1992 10:50:54 -0000
Organization: Team Limpid's Meathead With Aptitude - Kunst und Wahnsinn
NNTP-Posting-Host: spatula.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <1992Nov13.172058.12225@wolves.uucp> news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den) writes:
>>Which is the root of the problem....
>>taco and rock should either be in the UUCP maps,
>>or they should be in the headers as FQDNS.
>	Nope, not simple.  Usenet is NOT equivalent to UUCP pseudo
>domain.  The netnews distribution mechanism only requiures that the name
>in the path header be unique among sites that exchange netnews.  Not
>that the name in the Path: header be equivalent to the uucp nodename for
>the site.

True.  And one thing this discussion brought up was that at least one
of the names in use at ncsu is not unique.  I'm not making any claims
on who got that name first though.  

But whichever name you do choose to put in your Path:, should *probably*
be registered in some registry - UUCP names and FQDNs are the most common.

>	Usenet is a virtual network of sites that exchange messages in
>the standard format.  Usenet makes no specification of what the
>underlying transport protocols are to be.

I know.  It also provides no means for ensuring the uniqueness of names.
I hope son-of-RFC1036 includes some recommendations on naming...

Cheers,
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@c=GB@o=University of Warwick@ou=Computing Services@cn=Ian Dickinson  watching.
From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: history file too big. Can I use mkhistory to reconstruct?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 12:48:24 -0500
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: milk.warren.mentorg.com

In <CHETAL.92Nov23100753@poundcake.is.morgan.com> chetal@is.morgan.com (Pradeep Chetal) writes:

>Our history file is too big. Can I blow it away & then use mkhistory to 
>recreate the history file from /var/spool/news area. I know that protection
>against old articles will be limited for a while but it is better than having
>a 50M history file.

This should work, though (as you said) protection against old articles
will be limited for a while.

Other warnings include:
-- it takes a long time to run mkhistory
-- be sure to get any options correct.
-- consider making a backup first!

Tom
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Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: ad6861@sarah.albany.edu (Toejam)
Subject: INTERNET ACCESS????
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 19:45:54 GMT


    I don't know if I'm posting this question to the right newsgroup but 
here goes:  I'm a senior at SUNY Albany and will be graduating this
December and will lose my internet access among other computing
priviliges.  I was wondering if anyone knows of where and how I can get
internet access?  I'm basically interested in being able to read/post news,
use FTP and TELNET if possible.  In addition I'm looking for some sort
of "mainframe/workstation" account that I can use, preferebly a UNIX account.
I will be living in New York City come January and need access from there.
If anyone has any info on where I can get these services and how much they cost
please let me know.....Thank you in advance.

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From: jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (John G Dobnick)
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: ALERT RE POSTINGS AND CORNELL ACCESS TO ALT.*.*.EROTICA HIER
Date: 21 Nov 1992 03:56:47 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Reply-To: jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

From article <dct.722212548@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu>, by dct@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David C. Tuttle):
> M. Stuart Lynn... Some things never change...
>                                                - an old Rice grad

Maybe I'm being a little dense here, it's late Friday night, but ...
why should I recognize that name?

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and is thus a source of civilized delight."  -- William Safire
Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Subject: Re: INN and distributions
Reply-To: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Organization: SCI Systems, Inc., Huntsville, Al.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:31:52 GMT

In article <1epd5aINN5af@dsinc.dsi.com> syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein) writes:

>I just switched to INN and I wonder....
>I am seeing hundreds of messages a day with distribution headers
>that match the newsgroup catagory (rec, sci, soc, comp, ...)

>INN is dutifly throwing them on the floor.  Should I add the
>base 7 as possible distributions or let it trash those groups?

Those are being generated by improperly installed newsreaders (and
I've been both flamed and complimented for arguing against using
group hieracrhies for distributions...) and technically should be
dropped. 

Practically, however, you may as well add them. I don't see the 
problem going away anytime soon.

You could liven things up by patching INN to send an "invalid Distribution:
header" message back to the poster; your email volume would pick up 
considerably for a while...


-- 
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Newsgroups: news.admin.misc
From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Subject: Re: ALERT RE POSTINGS AND CORNELL ACCESS TO ALT.*.*.EROTICA HIERARCHY
Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Biological Sciences.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:18:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.202832.1951@mail.cornell.edu> M. Stuart Lynn <msl1@cornell.edu> writes:
>ALERT ON POSTINGS TO AND CORNELL ACTION REGARDING
>ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.EROTICA
>
  First of all, is this a joke? A forgery? Or do you just like sounding
like a paranoid fool in public?

>It has come to my attention that certain pictures encoded as GIF files
>are circulating on the NetNews newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.erotica
>(a.b.p.e) whose transmission may constitute violations of the United
>States Code regarding sexual exploitation of minors, in particular
>Section 2252. These pictures depict unclothed young children displayed in
>a manner that could be construed as constituting sexually explicit
>conduct as defined in the Code.

    What articles specifically are you refering to? I have asked over and
over and over for real examples, and none have been forthcoming. I personally
have seen no images that could be construed as you describe. I don't claim
to have seen everything posted to that group.

>Effective immediately, Cornell's official newstand will no longer provide
>access to the a.b.p.e, hierarchy at least until we can ascertain that
>there has been no violation of the law.
>
   Do you apply this standard to your bookstore, or your library? Wow,
academic freedom in action. Zow!

DanZ

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