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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: DS9 rumor *SPOILER*
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:05:38 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <9301261628.AA05929@pserv.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM> ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Otto Heuer #3) writes:
>V075Q5FR@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>> ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Otto Heuer #3) writes...
>> >I can't say I'd grieve in the least if they decided to toast Molly, Kira,
>> >and Keiko in one fell swoop.  All the rest of the characters are close to 
>> >perfect!
>>  
>>      Do you hate women or what?
>
>Not if they can act.  Can't get enough of Dax, Guinan, Ishara, Pulaski,
>Shelby, etc.  Molly is an annoying, crying plot device. Kira is a
>one-dimentional non-stop PMS-machine, and the actress who plays Keiko
>couldn't act her way out of a paper bag--not even a WET one!  Hell,
>Sirtis as Troi could beat them all!
>
<I think I got attributions right>

Everyone was one dimensional the first season of TNG, so don't sell Kira short
yet.  Sure she screams alot and acts like the poster child for PMS, but from
all we know about her character's origins, this sounds fairly normal.  What
the writers need to do is give her some depth, not throw her out.  As for
Keiko and Molly, they are fine as they are as long as they don't appear too
often.. They need dimension too if they are going to appear alot.

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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Odo's Speech in "A Man Alone"
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:53:49 GMT

Could someone please send me a precise transcription of Odo's "compromise"
speech from "A Man Alone"?  (Yes, I want to put it in my .signature! :-)

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI

"My favorite Star Trek With Jean-Luc episode is the one where some alien
 kills another in the first five minutes and then the crew debates for the
 next 55 minutes about what to do.  My favorite Star Trek With Captain Kirk
 is the same as anyone else's, the one where Kirk, overacting, falls in
 love with a beautiful alien babe, which Spock calls illogical, and where a
 bunch of security guys die.  You know the one?"
							- A friend
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From: sager@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Brian)
Subject: Re: Kira and her scale on the babe-o-meter
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:55:40 GMT

In article <22JAN199308541102@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca> villard@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca (EXCUSE ME????) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.124432.10382@Virginia.EDU>, qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes...
>> 
>>	For what it's worth, I think Kira is a lot more
>>attractive than Dax.  For starters, I dislike the way Dax's
>>hair is pulled straight back.  It makes her head look huge!
>>Although Dax *is* nice to look at, she simply looks to much
>>like a model for my tastes.  Incidentally, I liked Kira's first
>>hair style, as opposed to this really short one.  On a scale
>>from 1 to 10, I would rate them:
>> 
>>Kira:	10
>>Ro:	9.8
>>Crusher 9.5
>>Troi:	9.4
>>Dax:	8.5
>>					-Quinn
>
	Dude, if you think any of them are that high, you've got a
serious mental problem.  The best of them would be about a 8.0, and
that's Dax  (without that shit on her face)

						Love,
							Dorm-Rec


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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: MOST OVERRATED EPISODE?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:48:37 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX
Keywords: most

In article <C17pEx.2oC@acsu.buffalo.edu> v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.085555.24567@koko.csustan.edu>, msmith@koko.csustan.edu (Marlan Smith) writes...
>>	First of all they NEVER hint that Picard is under the Borg influence.
>>I thoght it was obvious that he was testing Hugh to see if he really was a bei
>>ng that thought and had feelings like everyone had been telling him. When Hugh
>>refused to "assimitate" it showed us and Picard that Hugh had indeed dicovered
>>a sense of independence. I thought the episode was great!! It drew other hints
>>about the mysterious Borg past... ie. "we are also lonely".
>
>I agree that Picard was not under the influence of the Borg.  If he was, I 
>believe we would have seen it beforehand, on a random basis, like Freudian
>slips.  Unfortunately, I did not like the episode either.  I have two bases
>for this.  
>
>My first is that I find it funny that the Federation is able to do what more
>intelligent and powerful races could not.  They are able to get 2 Borgs and
>use them to beat the Borg from the inside.   I find that a bit hard to 
>believe.  

But we're the Super-Federation! We can do what no one has done before.
Seriously, I agree with this point, but we are expected to believe that we
are more resourceful than anyone so far... And who knows that another race
hasn't done the same.. surely the Borg wouldn't tell us, and Hugh wouldn't
need to know (parts of the collective only have information on a need to
know basis).

>
>My other peeve with the episode is the logic of thought that the crew had.
>If he is back to an individual status, sending him back could affect the 
>Borg.  I felt that the writer was insulting the watcher's intelligence.
>When a being is joined with the Borg, they become a small part of an
>overwhelming communal inteligence.  They lose their individuality there.
>If they send Hugh back, he will be part of them again, and go back to zombie
>status again.  
>
The difference here is that Hugh was already part of the collective, and
perhaps the Borg would not have stripped his new found individuality from him.
Beings that are assimilated would need theirs stripped, but Hugh was already
a Borg.  Their idea was that in the moments before they discovered his error,
that knowledge might be downloaded by the entire collective. The knowledge
that they could be individuals (there is no evidence pointing to the Borg
as having any concept of this before) and that "Resistance is not futile".
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From: sjhodges@eos.ncsu.edu (STEVEN JAMES HODGES)
Subject: Re: I am in the Kira Fan Club!!!
Originator: sjhodges@c00402-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: sjhodges@eos.ncsu.edu (STEVEN JAMES HODGES)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:47:09 GMT


In article <1993Jan19.215929.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>,
11dhackett@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
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From: 11dhackett@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: I am in the Kira Fan Club!!!
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 21:59:29 EST



Yo folks!

 Count me in!!! Yeah, she's a Babe!!! :)


Darryl Hackett
11dhacke@gallux.gallaudet.edu


	Well, count me in too. It's almost too much to watch the show with
Major Kira and Dax too.
From: dwj@nsmdserv.CND.HP.COM (Dave Jerzycki)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:37:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Kira lust list
Organization: HP Network and System Management Division
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 Gee, I can hardly wait for the next phase of this string, movies where
 Nana Visitor appeared nude or topless.

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From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: A Ship in a Bottle
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:33:05 GMT

I finally saw the episode "Ship in a Bottle," where the holodeck
produces the improbable: a sentient program/being, Professor 
Whats-His-Face.  I started watching it last night and thought
"you've got to be kidding, this guy walks out of the holodeck ..."
The scene wasn't too believable, but I continued to watch anyways.
Wow!  This episode ranks up there with "Darmok" and "The Inner Light."
I especially liked the allusion to Descartes' "brain in the vat"
quandary, best manifested when the engineer (real insecure guy)
aks/says at the end: "computer, end program?/."

Dan
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Q
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:57:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.210734.8818@ctp.com> dmend@ctp.com (Daniel J. Mendez) writes:
>I just saw a repeat of the TNG show in which Q is after the girl who
>turns out to be also Q, and I am utterly disgusted. Is it only me, or do
>other people feel that the presence of Q detracts from the show overall?
>
>I mean, this is series in which "science" plays a very important role and 
>an omnipotent being with a purported sense of humor creates just too many 
>inconsistencies: Why would he even bother to appear at an officers' meeting 
>and tell them about his plan? Why would he ask their permission to meet 
>with her at all? 

It'd be an awfully short episode otherwise...

Opening sequence

"Hello Jean-Luc, I'm just here to pick up Amanda, who, by the way is a
member of the Q-Continuum. She doesn't know that, of course, but we'll 
set her straight. Au revoir, Mon Capitan!"

Roll end credits.

There are some concessions that must be made for the sake of plot.

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From: bmadsen@dsd.es.com (Bruce Madsen)
Subject: WANTED: WORFISMS
Reply-To: bmadsen@dsd.es.com (Bruce Madsen)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 17:54:31 GMT


Would the keeper of the "Worfism" list (or anyone who has a copy)
kindly e-mail me a copy??  PLEASE?

Thanks in advance...

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From: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon)
Subject: Re: DS9:Bajorans use Macintoshes!
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Distribution: us
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:47:53 GMT

In article <2fuL029533Nn01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> wlm10@cd.amdahl.com (William L Moore) writes:
>
>This raises a multitude of questions about the computer of choice in 
>the 24th century.  I'll betcha Klingons use PCs.
>

    I'll bet Vulcans, being devoted to logic, use NeXTs!!!  ;-)



        	        	       	       	       	       	       	       
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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Keiko a Schoolteacher? Yuuck!
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:14:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <ewright.727724900@convex.convex.com>, ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes...
>In <1993Jan20.160130@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
> 
>> I liked the idea of her setting up an Arboretum and going through
>> the worm-hole to bring back strange and possibly dangerous alien 
>> plant species.  Now that definitely would have better plot potential!

     Why can't she do both?  Her teaching job keeps the character
     in the background [if she's simply Dax' helper, why doesn't 
     she have a shift in Ops?] but also keeps her available when
     needed.

>Oh, come on, you mean get into plots based on exo-botany?  It
>does sound interesting, but given how often the TNG writers botch 
>*anything* having to do with biology, I can't see that happening.

     I don't think it's overly wise to compare DS9 overtly to TNG.
     TNG is a series with a rope around its neck: you can't do this,
     you can't do that, you can't do the other thing.  Why?  Gene
     said so.  Face it: the man had affection for sterility.  

     "A Man Alone" shows amply that Piller isn't afraid to do 
     interesting things with science/medicine, things that have
     a little plausibility but still an element of "wow" -- like
     the clone.  Hopefully, we'll see that continue into next season
     and some interesting trips through the wormhole.

     Scott Gorcey
From: varhus@salsa.seas.upenn.edu (Kristofor A Varhus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A guide to enjoying TNG, and a defense of Ship in a Bottle
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:06:11 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <7487@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> bates@banana.ucsb.edu (Andrew M. Bates) writes:
>    #1: Don't watch the previews.
>
>    #2: Don't read the synopsis in TV Guide
>
>    #3: Don't read ANYTHING about the upcoming shows on this newsgroup.
>

I don't mean to flame you, but this all would be much easier to do if you
would put something in the Subject: line about SPOILERS since you pretty
much laid out the whole episode later in your post.

Thanks for listening,

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From: bssbc3gsd@dct.ac.uk (Grant Doig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Klingon Language
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:49:28 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <672@infocom.UUCP>, sbparker@infocom.UUCP (Stephen B Parker) writes:
> With the recent discussion on Picard/Stewart's inability to speak good
> French, I was wondering if there is any kind of Klingon-to-English
> dictionary? (Or has the language not been developed that rigorously?)
> -- 
> __________________________________________________________________
> sbparker  (Stephen B Parker)  EMAIL --> sbparker@infocom.co.uk
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

there is one in existance but i dont know if its any good.
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From: cw@carson.u.washington.edu (Cheryl Walker)
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Subject: Re: English as Earth's standard language in the 24th Cent.?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 07:35:26 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <steph.727945994@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu> steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
>In <1993Jan24.074334.4145@Princeton.EDU> hjanberg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg) writes:
>
>[...]
>Sulu's American -- he was born in San Francisco, remember?  Has he ever been
>shown speaking Japanese?
>[...]
>
>-- 
>Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic
>
>  "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not 
>   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
I remember one episode where he was chased by a "samurai" and he gave
it the Japanese pronunciation, rather than the American...

btw, for those in the know -- I'm a novice.  Should this discussion
go to .misc at this point?
--Cheryl Walker

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From: vs27@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Vadim  Strizhevsky)
Subject: Re: Stuck airlock in Babel DS9
Reply-To: vs27@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Vadim  Strizhevsky)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:21:49 GMT

In article <C1IwEr.Kvp@news2.cis.umn.edu> rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin) writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.163054.879@linus.mitre.org>, lkahn@mitre.org (Larry Kahn) writes:
>|> Was there something I missed here?  Why didn't Chief O'Brien simply beam 
>|> the stuck people out and then go back and fix the airlock at his 
>|> convenience rather than make it a big priority?
>
>Have we been shown that the Cardassian transporters are capable of
>safe short-range transport?  (The old argument of intra-ship beaming
>in TOS...)
>
But Odo used the transporter for intra-ship beaming in "Babel."  This one was 
however from the transporter room to the docked ship.  BTW could someone 
enlighten me on this: Is there a technical difference between beaming from 
transporter room to somewere else and from somewhere else to transporter room.
If there is no differences, than I indeed wonder why O'Brien didn't beam those
people out.

>-- 
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>// School of Statistics - University of Minnesota            rjg@stat.umn.edu
From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Re: A very unconfirmed rumor...so be warned
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 03:23:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.220252.4538@cs.uoregon.edu> ericg@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu (eric leander gorr) writes:
>I heard this from someone who heard it on the radio here.
>
>The information basically was the DS9 was going to be cancelled.
>
>I cannot verify in any way the validity of this rumor, so no flames please.


DSN had the *highest* rated premiere of ANY syndicated show.
The subsequent episodes have all delivered very high numbers.
Paramount has invested LARGE amounts of money in this series.

Don't worry... it ain't gonna get "canceled".
From: det@sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Babel - DS9's overlooked solution
Date: 25 Jan 1993 19:53:13 GMT
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In article <1993Jan25.174035.21198@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>, gvelden@ccs.northeastern.edu (George E Van Dervelden) writes:
> I find it a little strange that the station had so much trouble with the
> virus. So the virus generator bypassed the replicator's biofilter. Just put
> the person that is infected, in the transporter and then that biofilter would
> filter out the virus. Everyone would be back to normal. For the time being
> anyway.

Neat and simple.  The only justification I can come up with as to why they
didn't is that maybe Cardassian transporters don't have biofilters.  The
transporter biofilters would have to be higher resolution than food
replicator biofilters, as the pattern itself is higher resolution.

Or maybe simply nobody thought of it.  After all, nobody came up with
the idea on the net right away.  And even if they did think of it, maybe
O'Brien hasn't had a chance to fix the transporter biofilters yet -
why should they work any better than anything else on the damned station?
From: cbittel@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Clinton Bittel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Ooops!
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:58:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


      Ooops that last post should have had a spoiler tag on it.
         Sorry to anyone that hadn't seen A_Ship_In_A_Bottle.

                            :(
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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Keiko a Schoolteacher?  Yuuck!
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:38:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan20.160130@usho72.hou281.chevron.com>, hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes...
> 
> Awe, come on! 
> 
> Keiko sets up a school for the deprived space kids, how quaint. 
> 
> Sheesh, what is this - Little House on the Prairie?!

     Frankly, yes.  More like Dodge City.  And better that than
     some guest-tv-actor-of-the-week Love Boat thing, say I.  I
     had been saying I didn't think all the guest stars crossing
     over from former or current TNG roles was a bright idea right
     off the bat in DS9...  but Lursa and B'Etor, I must admit, 
     were handled perfectly, and were balanced by the introduction
     of a Garek, who will recur from time to time.

> It's a terrible idea!  

     Well, she's gotta have something to do.  You couldn't crossover
     O'Brien without bringing his family and remain plausible -- and
     it would be stupid to have her just never seen.  And this way
     she provides a function to the "community."  The Enterprise was
     supposed to be a community too, but we've never really broaded
     the scope out to include that.  It's refreshing to see that
     aspect explored so readily -- and interestingly, without the
     gag on character's conflicting with each other -- on DS9.  

> I liked the idea of her setting up an Arboretum and going through
> the worm-hole to bring back strange and possibly dangerous alien 
> plant species.  Now that definitely would have better plot potential!

     Better for self-contained action plots, certainly, but her
     character backstory in the series bible does point out that
     Kieko's background as a scientist will be a great asset to
     Dax, so Keiko's position as 'schoolmarm' would not effect
     what you suggest from coming about anyway.

> Or is this how they introduce Jake as the new Wesley - boy genius?

     See next week's episode -- I think it's next week's -- for
     reassurance on that.  He gets into some trouble with Nog,
     Quark's nephew.  

> 
> TRAVIS
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
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From: matt@unidata.ucar.edu (Matt Hicks)
Subject: Re: WHY DO TREKKIES FIND KIRA ATTRACTIVE
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:10:17 GMT

ancst8+@pitt.edu (Anuj Chandra) writes:

>However if Tasha Yar was still around, Kira would look like a cow
>compared to her.

Tasha Yar?!!! (Picture a look of extreme disbelief.) Denise Crosby
looks like a really tall twelve-year-old boy. The woman has no figure,
none, zip. And an unflattering hair cut to boot. They could get a Moe 
wig, dye it blond, slap it on Odo, and people would think Tasha Yar
had come back from the dead. Unfortunately, Kira's current hair style
is much less attractive than it was in the DS9 premier. But she's 
vivacious and maybe a little bit dangerous. Maybe that's one of the
things that makes her attractive. If Tasha Yar was still around, no
one would notice.
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