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From: marvin@skinner.dsg.ti.com (Marvin Heffler)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:43:37 GMT
Reply-To: marvin@skinner.dsg.ti.com (Marvin Heffler)
Organization: Texas Instruments, Austin, TX

In article <1992Aug19.041907.5222@tamsun.tamu.edu>,
dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:
|>
|>You might also read _Aborting_America_ by Dr. Bernard Nathanson, M.D.,
|>a person of a Jewish atheist persuasion who cofounded NARAL,
|>performed *many* abortions, and has since reconsidered his original
|>stance considerably.
|>

Just what is a person of a "Jewish atheist persuasion"? Is that anything like
being a Hindu Catholic? Or is it similar to being an Muslim Lutheran?

|>
|>Daryl
|>-- 
|>Daryl Biberdorf  N5GJM    dlb5404@rigel.tamu.edu  or  dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu
|>        "You're not messy.  You're organizationally impaired."
|>                _Real_Life_Adventures_, July 3, 1992 
                                  
                                 

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(512) 250-6829               12501 Research Blvd. MS 2078   Austin, TX  78759
                             Internet: marvin@skinner.dsg.ti.com
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From: rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Pro-Choice
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:42:05 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <IM1vr*+O0@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>How dense can you get?  A fetus is a baby.

	Ya gotta love this remark. "Hey, honey, bring that fetus over here,
and show it to the Joneses. She hates it when I do this, it's really very
painful, but ....YANK...(splurt)....there it is!....(splurt)...back in, all
safe and sound. What'd ya think, Mr. and Mrs. Jones? Isn't that a beautiful
9- week-old baby-fetus?"

>Yeah, some love.  You love the baby so much you want 1.5 million of them tortured
>to death by abortion.  Yeah, right.  Maybe you should hate them instead...

	Co-dependence. Yet another current social problem.

>Why can't you abortionists see the obvious?

	It's "obvious" to you, but if you look up the word "obvious", you'd
realize this doesn't make sense. What is "obvious" is, what many see in
different ways isn't. Many see this issue differently than you. 

>  There is NOTHING at all wrong with
>the state executing convicted criminals in order to protect other citizens.  There
>is EVERYTHING wrong with killing an unborn child for convenience!  There is no
>contradiction here at all.

	Until I read THIS, I didn't ralize how right YOU are. Now that you've
come out and explained that you're the one who's "right", I understand.


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From: curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Trade Imbalance
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:14:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin

judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin) writes:

>Consider that the USA has a finite number of dollars to go around.  When we

Finite, true.  but not constant.  Wealth can be created and destroyed.
If we all engage in economically damaging behaviour, we all get collectively
poorer.  If we all engage in economically beneficial behaviour, our country
gets collectively richer.

Protectionism is damaging.  It limits wealth generation.  It has a large
opportunity cost.  Catapiller tractor company pays more for steel so they
can't compete overseas.  They eventually go out of business.  (But a few
thousand steel workers get to keep their jobs for an extra 5 years.)

>buy imported goods, a number of those dollars go out of the country and they
>are not available for Americans here to spend or get paid or save.  Now, 

Mainly to spend.  Nobody does much saving around here.
The dollars go out, but we got goods in return, which have value.
Dollars are just another commodity, like wheat or steel.  Would you mind
if we paid them in wheat instead?  What's the difference?  There is a market
for labor, a market for copper, a market for dollars and a market for yen.

It's all the same thing.

>when a foreign country buys our goods, a number of those dollars come back
>here to Americans to spend, get paid, or save or invest. Can you see that
>if more dollars go out than come in (a trade deficit), there is less money
>here for us? 

For many many years the U.S. had a positive trade balance.  Now we have
a negative one.  The pendulum will swing back again eventually.  The
capitalist economic system is self damping.  Like the weather.  It can
get hot in TX but it can't be 150 degrees every day for 10 years.
Nearby air would rush in and cool things off.  Similarly we can't spend
ALL our money in Japan until we're broke because they'd stop selling to
us and lending to us long before that happened.  If interest rates go
too low, people stop lending, so rates go up.  It's self damping.

The trade deficit is no different.  What is it as a % of GNP?  Can it
really even be measured at all anyway?
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My views are unrelated to those of IBM     |        Austin, TX
FICA is a massive wealth transfer from young middle class to old middle class.
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: So Long, and Thanks for all the Fish
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:31:04 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug19.142220.8248@novell.com> bboerner@novell.com (Brendan B. Boerner) writes:
>Brendan
>-- 
>Brendan B. Boerner              Phone: 512/346-8380
>Internet: bboerner@novell.com   MHS: bboerner@novell
>Please use ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ if replying by mail.

How are things at Novell?
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From: judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Continuing Dialogue re Abortions
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:04:24 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas

Did you all hear Mrs. Bush come out pro-choice in interview(s) yesterday?


PS:  Pregnancy is not an "inconvenience." It leads to a serious lifelong
commitment and responsibility.

		Bye, Judy.
From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Quayle on Values:  Where he stands and his background
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:00:18 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin TX

In article <7103@lib.tmc.edu>, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
> How do you get there from here? I, for one, would interpret the AP's question
> as "If the woman decides to have an abortion, and her doctor doesn't tell her
> that it's medically inadvisable..." There's a huge difference between that and
> "...and her doctir thinks she medically needs one...", and I think my
> interpretation is closer to the intent of the question.

The doctor has no business in a discussion that is about "unrestricted"
access to abortion.  A doctor's opinion is only relevant when it comes
to medically required abortions.  Putting the doctor into the sentence
clounds the issue, as indicated by the old maxim "The doctor knows best."

> That a doctor helps with the decision does not necessarily mean that the
> abortion is for the mother's health. It's not a bad idea to consult with a
> doctor before undergoing any surgical procedure. You're reading malicious
> intent into something that may well be quite innocent.

According to John Iacoletti, the woman should be able to decide on her
own, and the only decision the doctor needs to make is if the request isn't
going to result in a malpractice lawsuit.  Which John would outlaw since
the patient has an unrestricted right to an abortion anyway ...
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From: reed@rd04.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Michael Reed)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Privacy
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:15:15 GMT
Reply-To: reed@rd08.wg2.waii.com
Distribution: tx
Organization: Western Geophysical R&D

In article <1992Aug18.221747.28803@oakhill.sps.mot.com>, jcj6@ace3.sps.mot.com (james berry) writes:
|> The right wing that now has control of the Repulican Party claim
|> to be Conservatives.  They further claim that this means they what
|> the Government out of the lives of the people.  A noble cause indeed.
|> But look at what they really want, Ban Abortion, Ban funding to 
|> offensive art works, cut funding for PBS, ban the "liberal press". 
|> on and on and on!
|> Sound like a hell-of-alot of government in our lives to me!! 


Why is cutting government funding for art works and media "government
in our lives"?  Sounds like getting government out of something it
should never have gotten involved in in the first place.  No one
wants to ban the liberal press, just make the readers, listeners
and viewers pay for it, not the taxpayer.

You are right about abortion.  The government has no right force a
woman to carry a fetus (or a non-viable baby so we don't start that
argument again).  That is government intrusion.  But look at the
Democrats.  Taking away your right to keep a gun in your home for
protection.  Making certain forms of speech illegal, under the guise
of "hate crimes."  Setting up quotas to "right" past wrongs.

Extremists in either party want to trample the Constitution.  No
example better illustrates this than the alliance of radical feminists
and fundamentalists that want to ban sexually explicit material.

The right to privacy should be extended.  I should be able to do
whatever I want to on private property with other consenting adults.
Laws against drug use, sexual acts, gun ownership and obscenity all
violate the right to privacy.

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Western Geophysical, Research and Development Group
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From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: So Long, and Thanks for all the Fish
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:46:21 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Rice University

In article <21377@rpp386.lonestar.org>, jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
|> 
|> The most important thing, in my mind, that a person can do to help
|> their country is spark debate on issues, beat them to death, search
|> for the core kernel of truth and then use that knowledge to improve
|> this country as a whole.  Debate is crucial to our freedom.  If we
|> let the professional politician tell us what to think, how to act, or
|> what we expect from government, we will rapidly fall into a pit that
|> serves only the professional politician.  Washington and Jefferson
|> were citizens first and politicians second.  That is the model we
|> should seek to emulate.
|> 

Well, congratulations, and I think even your most vocal opponents will say
"Amen" (in the literal sense of the word) to the above paragraph.  Some of
these debates may now tilt in a bit more of a one-sided direction :( 

-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

"I laid on top of those prayer requests so much, that those chemicals actually
 got into my bloodstream" - Robert Tilton (indirectly explaining his facelift)
From: hari@NeoSoft.com (Doug Andersen)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Quayle on Values:  Where he stands and his background
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:30:13 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <kWIur*BO0@caleb.UUCP>, jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
> In article <1992Aug10.143305.25289@axis.dsg.ti.com>, Marvin Heffler writes:
> 
> > Wrong. The media, and the public in general, like to ridicule Quayle because
> > he is a blithering idiot.
> 
> Ok, prove it.
 
All you have to do is read his statements on Mars and how evidence
of canals (long discredited) are evidence that there may be water, and
perhaps even air that we can breathe.
 
And this is the guy who is supposedly a leader on space programs.
-- 
Doug Andersen
hari@Sugar.NeoSoft.com
From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: HR 4983
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:26:12 GMT
 <bUIsr*XL0@caleb.UUCP> <1992Aug06.233619.30444@watson.ibm.com> <R-2ur*YN0@caleb.UUCP>
 <1992Aug12.140835.15067@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <1992Aug12.140835.15067@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, fred j mccall 575-3539 writes:

> How does the convicted murderer kill anyone if you lock him up for
> life with no parole?  So, why the espousement of so many 'right to
> life' advocates for killing someone rather than locking them up away
> from the rest of us?  Sounds like their issue is 'abortion', not
> 'life'. 

Convicts commit murder in prisons.  Unless you are planning to keep him in
solitary, your "solution" still lacks something.  I don't think that the liberal
judges would allow that.


                                                Jim Pritchett


UUCP:  rwsys.lonestar.org!caleb!jdp
 or    utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!caleb!jdp
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From: judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Trade Imbalance
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:14:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas

Someone posted a message stating that our trade deficit was "much ado about
nothing."  I disagree strongly.  Perhaps, this person does not understand
what this conditions means (who really does?). I have an extremely
oversimplified explanation for anyone who is interested:

Consider that the USA has a finite number of dollars to go around.  When we
buy imported goods, a number of those dollars go out of the country and they
are not available for Americans here to spend or get paid or save.  Now, 
when a foreign country buys our goods, a number of those dollars come back
here to Americans to spend, get paid, or save or invest. Can you see that
if more dollars go out than come in (a trade deficit), there is less money
here for us? 

Taken a little further, when those imported goods break or wear out or
whatever, what then? We have "exported our wealth" so where will we get
the money to replace those goods?  

Comments?
		Bye, Judy.
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: The NAACP (was: Re: HR 4983)
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:57:13 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <1992Aug10.164655.1764@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II) writes:

>In article <1992Aug4.233151.16913@montagar.lonestar.org> davidc@montagar.lonestar.org (David L. Cathey) writes:
>>	After the success of "Different Strokes"?  Seriously, that sounds to
>>me like the NAACP has a touch of racism.  Ironic, isn't it?

>I just wanted to whack this one while I was in the neighborhood.  The
>sole reason for the NAACP's continued existence is searching high and
>low for new ways to stir up racism.  The NAACP must continue to ferret
>out NEW forms of racism to protest, and by doing so proves that it is
>the single largest black racist group in America today.

And it's not like they have to 'ferret' very hard, either.  So nice
that YOU are the definer of "the sole reason for the NAACP's continued
existence".  And here all this time I thought all they did was FIND
the racism that already exists.  Somehow, though, I knew that John
would find some other 'reason'for their existence.  One has to wonder,
though, just what words he had to redefine/ignore to arrive at THIS
bit of 'wisdom'.

>This isn't to say that the NAACP doesn't occassionally do good for
>blacks in America.  After all, anyone can have a bad day ...

Gee, does that explain this posting by you?


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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Pro-Choice vs God Squad (Anti-abortion)
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:49:30 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <21316@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:

>This is why you don't understand OR, because you don't understand
>what is really going to happen.

Well, given a 'get tough' attitude toward this kind of abusive
fruitcake, I can tell you what COULD happen (and probably what ought
to). 

>The OR people are going to get arrested.  Then they are going to get
>thrown in jail.  Then they are going to get out of jail because by
>this time the jail is full of OR people.  

Nope.  I'd just keep shoving them in, stack them up like cordwood,
transfer them to other jails, etc.  Personally, I don't expect that
many of them to be willing to spend long periods in jail.

>Then they will go back and
>get arrested again.  Then the city will try to collect all of these
>fines and find out that many OR people give ALL of their money to
>OR so that they will be more or less immune to financial threats.

So they can stay in jail.  Meanwhile, sue the ORGANIZATION.  This has
been done in the past to various racist groups; time to start doing
the same thing to OTHER fruitcake terrorists.

>Then the city will be stuck paying the police overtime, paying the
>jailers overtime and having a bunch of martyrs taking up jail space
>just to prove their devotion to this cause.

>They aren't rational.  You can't "think" your way around what they
>are up to.  You have to look at it illogically with the mind of a
>fanatic.

Fine.  Then let's TREAT them like fanatics.  And all the ones who have
their kids crawling in front of cars should be brought up on charges
of reckless endangerment of a child, etc.  Any bets that the
organization would dry up in fairly short order if everyone stopped
treating them with kid gloves?


-- 
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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Quayle on Values:  Where he stands and his background
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:10:29 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <1992Aug15.001107.31550@watson.ibm.com> johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
>In article <21364@rpp386.lonestar.org>, jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>|> But you sure as hell were quick to claim that Houston must be some
>|> lone fluke.  And now that you know that Planned Parenthood has clinics
>|> in Dallas, Waco =and= Houston that perform abortions, have you come
>|> clean?  No.
>
>Just how would you like me to come clean?  I said "sorry, I was
>wrong".  It happens.  You want me to flog myself or something?

	You did "come clean" already.

>|> Nah.  You stomped your feet pretty hard when Daryl corrected you about
>|> the Fannin clinic, and you're still stomping your feet now that I
>|> took the time to find out that PP does abortions in Dallas and Waco as
>|> well.
>
>Stomped my feet?  I said "thanks Daryl, I didn't know that".  Jeez, as
>often as you are wrong, you shouldn't be throwing stones.  At least I
>admit it.

	You did not stomp your feet. JFH admitted to changing his mind
on WOD, as well as allowing himself to be corrected recently.




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From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: So Long, and Thanks for all the Fish
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:56:44 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Distribution: tx
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <1992Aug17.153324.9399@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>In <21377@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>>Well, Jeanette is now about 4 months pregnant.
>
>Hey, congratulations.

Fuck you.
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John F. Haugh II                   | Life's Little Instruction Book:
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151            | "#138.  Learn Spanish.  In a few years,
UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh |  more than 35% of all Americans will speak
Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org      |  it as their first language."
From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Pro-Choice
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:26:24 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX

In article <IM1vr*+O0@caleb.UUCP>, jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
> Why can't you abortionists see the obvious?  There is NOTHING at all wrong
> with the state executing convicted criminals in order to protect other
> citizens.  There is EVERYTHING wrong with killing an unborn child for
> convenience!  There is no contradiction here at all.

	Sure, it's more convenient to kill a criminal that to rehabilitate him.
Instead of therapy, it's more convenient to society to kill him outright.
No contradiction here...  And you know Jim, what if they were wrong and an
innocent person was executed?  Well, no big deal since it was in the name of
protecting society, it's okay right?

	Plus, if you make abortion illegal, now you create another class of
criminals.  And since it is MURDER, it is a felony.  And we will have to
execute the abortionist too, since they are serial murderers.  And we can
even charge the counselors with conspiracy to commit murder, as well!  If
we play are cards right, Jim, we can throw all those people opposed to
your view into jail... for the good of society, of course...

	So again, if you're on a jury, what punishment would you impose on
an 18 year old girl who got an abortion?  Lethal injection?  The gas chamber?
Life imprisonment, with no parole?  It is 1st degree murder you are proposing
here, the premeditated taking of a human life.

	Hell, it don't matter to me, *I* can't have kids anymore that you
can, Jim.  I can't ever be convicted of abortion!  But I think I'd have a
hard time sending a convicted criminal to the chair so society is protected
from another potential abortion...  Would you?

>                                                 Jim Pritchett
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