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From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires)
Subject: Re: Or Shakespeare either (was: I don't like Dickens...so sue me!
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 04:39:19 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <9207241718.AA26020@cfdev1.shearson.com> mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes:
>
>PS -- a prediction:
>
>When Fiona finally publishes her book, it will be revealed to all
>that her real name is Babette.
>

	Her and Ivy Austin.

>Mark

Roger Squires
rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu
From: ljones@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Lewey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Explanations of endings.
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:04:57 GMT
Reply-To: ljones@flare.oz.au (Lewey)
Organization: Department of Physics, University of Adelaide, South Australia

In article <pete.712294823@marsh> pete@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Peter Staples) writes:
> Howdy,
.................
> Patrick Suskind's Perfume  .... I loved the book, hated the ending. 
> Why would someone as inherently (sp?) evil as Grenouille give his life
> away?
>
I liked it all. I did not think that he was essentially evil. He spent a 
lot of time and effort trying to get people to like him with the 
tincture of virgin. Eventually he succeeded, but decided that if people's
feelings toward him could be manipulated so easily, they were 
beneath contempt and not to be coveted as he had done in the past. So,
not wanting to live alone anymore, he used his genius for the last time
to kill himself.

Well, something like that, perhaps.

					Lewis.
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From: harper@oracorp.com (Douglas Harper)
Subject: Re: Great last sentences
Keywords: fiction endings
Organization: ORA Corporation, Ithaca, New York
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 04:22:25 GMT

In article <l+bm!6.troach@netcom.com> troach@netcom.com (Tom Roach) writes:
....
>I would like to know other reader's opinions on the most memorable
>last sentences in books, short stories, or whatever they've read.

I was walking on a city sidewalk when I started reading the last page of
Peake's "Titus Alone".  I was sitting on the concrete when I finished.

-- 
Douglas Harper     | ORA Corporation | 301A Dates Drive | Ithaca, NY 14850 
harper@oracorp.com | (607) 277-2020  | FAX: 277-3206    | USA
From: carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk (Carl Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: origin of skid row
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:29:38 GMT
Reply-To: carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

Well the subject pretty much says it all, does anyone
know the origin of the term?

Cheers,
Carl
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From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: The nature of enlightenment
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 29 Jul 92 10:25:56

In article <9207291651.AA14458@cfdev1.shearson.com> mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes:


   Francis Muir writes:

	   Mark Taranto writes:

		   Clayton Cramer writes:

			   Unfortunately, I run into too many college students
			   like the gal who recently expressed amazement at
			   discovering the U.S. had a Civil War in the last
			   century.  (Yes, educated in California).

		   This is unfortunate.  I'm as amazed by this as I am by the
		   fact that there are still people who refer to women as
		   "Gals."  It is unfortunate that education does not imply
		   enlightenment.

	   It is one, maybe the only one, of Cramer's charms that he is quaint.
	   One example of his quaintness is that he does not feel compelled
	   assiduously and slavishly to follow the Correct line in his choice
	   of words and expressions. PC is not enlightenment, it is Gadarenism.

   I quite agree with Francis about following the dictates of political
   correctness.  However, I also see that in almost every movement, there
   is something positive to be gleaned from it.  In the case of Fascism,
   perhaps the only positive is that it is nice to have the trains run on
   time.  Francis might find Clayton Cramer's use of "Gals" quaint,
   but taken in the context of Clayton's other articles, I find it
   similar to the use of "Boy" when referring to blacks.  I doubt that
   Francis would find this quaint, and doubt that he would reject it even
   though it does follow from the PC line of thinking.

   So, let us be eclectic.  Rather than let PC crash into the sea, as Francis
   suggests, let us take the good that is there, and discard the rest.

   That IS enlightenment.

   Mark

It's not clear to me whether Mark Taranto is intentionally calling
Clayton Cramer.  If not he should realize that a gentleman never
insults anyone except intentionally.

If it is intentionally, then it seems to me quite unwarranted.
Perhaps Taranto would enlighten us on what it takes to be called
a Fascist these days, and which of Cramer's many posted opinions
meets the criteria.

I presume the Valley girl in question, who hadn't heard of the Civil
War, had been educated in the ins and outs of political correctness.
She probably knew when to call someone a Fascist - and that without
ever having heard of Mussolini.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Great last sentences
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:17:40 GMT


troach@netcom.com (Tom Roach) writes:

> I would like to know other reader's opinions on the most memorable
> last sentences in books, short stories, or whatever they've read.

I'm not sure that I would describe it as a GREAT last line, but the
last line of CANDIDE is very memorable.  I was just discussing this
in e-mail with someone, and remembered a great line in the middle.
I believe it to be the only line of the original not written in French.
It is something like:

        Oh, lord, what a time to be without testicles!

Well, I must tend to my garden.

Mark

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From: watson@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John S. Watson - FSC)
Subject: Re: Penguin Books in Bay Area
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:49:39 GMT

In article <athos-280792134456@athos.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
> Hi, I am looking for a good store in the Bay Area that stocks not only lots
> of Penguin Books, but also their Viking Portable Libraries.  I yearn for
> that store in Cambridge, Mass that I visited a year ago....

Don't know about Viking Portable Libraries, but the Stanford University
Bookstore has about the biggest selection of Penguin Books that of which I know.
A close second might be Kepler's in Menlo Park.  I also remember seeing
lots at City Lights in SF.

John S. Watson, Civil Servent from Hell          ARPA: watson@ames.arc.nasa.gov

HOMEBREW NAKED! --- Ursus cerevisiae nudium  (The Bare Beer Bear)
All right, then, I'll GO to hell"  --- Mark Twain
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From: spl@alex.uucp (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.misc,rec.humor,alt.folklore.urban,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: help please, when did Isaac Asimov die?
Followup-To: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.misc,misc.test,rec.humor,alt.folklore.urban,alt.religion.kibology
Date: 25 Jul 1992 00:36:09 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
NNTP-Posting-Host: alex.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Jul23.193234.14386@CERIS.Purdue.EDU> jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:
>I think he mentioned being an atheist in one of his editorials in
>"his" magazine.  'Course if he was wrong, either of the first 2
>statements may be true.

Asimov was unquestionably an atheist.  He was on the editorial board
of "The Humanist," a magazine devoted to secular humanism or humanist
secularism or something of that sort and general religion bashing.  I
subscribed to the magazine for a short period of time and recall
seeing articles by Asimov from time to time.

							spl
-- 
Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@dim.ucsd.edu
UCSD Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UCSD Med School/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
"Out of the ash/I rise with my red hair/And I eat men like air."
                        - Sylvia Plath, "Lady Lazarus"
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From: brad@slammer.UUCP (Brad Isley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.books.reviews
Subject: Re: RAH
Date: 25 Jul 92 23:36:17 GMT
Organization: Just me & my computers

In article <1992Jul24.130651@IASTATE.EDU> mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin) writes:
>I read Farnham's Freehold a long time ago, and liked it.  The plot is nicely
>worked out, tight, and interesting.  For some reason, it was never very
>popular.  

I read it, too.  I have read almost all of RAH's work.  It was one of the
few of his earlier works that I did NOT like.  Why?  It was depressing.
Sure, the mechanics were right, and the morals he was trying to espouse
were ones that I agreed with.  I just got depressed reading it.  It might
be a common opinion - explaining it's lack of popularity.
-- 
emory!slammer!brad   (Brad Isley)
+1 404 841-4169 Work			 Nopottopeein: "Howzit Goink?"
+1 404 925-9663 Home			  The gang: "Fine, just fine."
From: jimh@ism.isc.com (jim hori)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: help please, when did Isaac Asimov die?
Date: 23 Jul 1992 14:30:06 GMT
Organization: SunSoft Inc., Los Angeles, Ca.
Distribution: rec
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigboy

In article <1992Jul22.191303.20390@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:
>: >>NOT Isaac!  He's up there raising H*** with someone!
>: > Ah, a-hem, that would be *down* there.
>: But do atheists _go_ anywhere when they die?
>I would not say that he was an atheist. More correctly, he just did not
>accept any "Devine text" as literal truth. 

I assume this is a reference to Andy Devine.








....
jimh@west.sun.com

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From: spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Subject: Re: Or Shakespeare either (was: I don't like Dickens...so sue me!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:24:00 GMT

Barclay Blanchard writes...
>Mark Taranto writes:

>>As I've grown older, I am thankful for the large number of required classes
>>that I had as an undergraduate, and think that there should be more.
>I agree with that.  I wish I'd been required to take (or even *offered*)
>classes in math history and physics history (as a math major and phsyics
>major, respectively).  Also, I wish I'd taken a dance class a lot sooner.

+-------------------------------------SubG-------------------------------------+
Funny, I've never really regarded classes as the premium mode of learning.  
Although it is sometimes nice for someone else to tell you at what pace you 
should be internalizing something, in general I've found that I pick up things 
better if left to my own devices.

Although I've taken classes in roughly every area of study I can think of (with 
the exception of "Human Sexuality"--I seem to have sussed most of this out 
from instinct and sketches on restroom walls), the only class that I can really 
say I got a lot out of was an intermediate fencing class I took a while back 
(really helped my counter six).

Not implying that organized schooling is useless (your ability to play along
while watching "Jeopardy" might improve), but at most I'd call any 
course a foundation for further study.  
+--------------------------------------SubG------------------------------------+

>>I find it appalling to think that a literature major could get by without
>>studying the major figures, or that a philosophy major could get a
>>degree without having learned a little about all of the major schools
>>of thought, or that an animal science major could graduate without studying
>>whatever bullshit they study.
>>
>But there are so damned many major figures in Western lit (or even English lit
>or American lit) that I despair that even one lifetime is enough to get
>exposure to all of them.  And I've been reading pretty steadily for 20-odd
>years.
> 

+------------------------------------------SubG--------------------------------+
I dispair that our educational system is educating its students.

A couple years back (ye bogs, here comes one of my anecdotes), I was taking a
history class that was required for all students.  I'd been putting all those 
madatory classes off, so I was a couple years older than most of the students
in the class.

The prof. is lecturing something or other to the effect that public opinion is 
often swayed by appearances and the use of familiar icons, and used the example 
of out Corps of Cadets (local ROTC outfit) saying that some people percieve the 
Corps, and therefore the entire university, as a bunch of Nazis.

This young (had to be a freshman) lad a sitting a ways in front of me raises
his hand, the prof. recognises the gesture and takes the young man's question, 
"What's a Nazi?"

And this pup is in *college*, mates.




-SubG
From: cjh@tinton.ccur.com (Christopher J. Henrich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: "Great" last sentences--The Lovecraft Connection
Keywords: fiction endings
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:30:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp., Tinton Falls, NJ

[About words that H. P. Lovecraft favored]
In article <945@conan.edsr.eds.com> jat@edsr.eds.com (Jon A. Turner) writes:
>In response to my unspeakable blatherings, mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>
>>You omitted my two favorites: Cyclopean and non-Euclidean.
>
>It's worse than that--I forgot "unclean."
>
>JT


You both forgot "eldritch" - I'm afraid if a horror writer used this
word today. we'd all think "Lovecraft parody time!" and start to
giggle.

Regards,
Chris Henrich
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From: baker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Baker)
Subject: Re: Or Shakespeare either (was: I don't like Dickens...so sue me!
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:23:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.181146.17016@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>In article <1992Jul25.165814.697@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> baker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Baker) writes:
>
>>I first remember hearing Imagine in the movie The Killing Fields, and I
>>assumed at the time that it was meant to be a song embodying the Khmer Rouge
>>philosophy.
>
>Hard to see how "Nothing to kill or die for" fits with the Khmer Rouge.

True, but the song also attacks religion, private property, and
nationalism -- so I couldn't figure out what else in the film the
song was supposed to fit with.  Perhaps "nothing to kill or die
for" was meant to apply only to those who would oppose communism
(this was the attitude of many peace demonstrators back in the
1960's).
From: barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Or Shakespeare either (was: I don't like Dickens...so sue me!
Date: 25 Jul 92 16:28:48 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

In article <11401@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:

>I'm kind of mystified why anone would find John Lennon's death a
>virtue.

So was I.  Maybe because the guy who was glad Lennon died is Southern Baptist,
and Imagine suggests imagining a world without religion.

>....  The classmate (born and educated in the U.S.) 
>mentioned that she had been amazed at the things she found in her
>American history text: "Did you know we had a Civil War?"

<groan>  Well, in the South everyone seems aware that there was a Civil War.
Unfortunately, many of the people I grew up with seemed to want to keep
fighting it.


-- 
Barclay Elizabeth Blanchard    barclay@rail9000@gatech.edu
"I've been laughed at by some of the funniest people."
--Lissie, Alice Walker's _The Temple of My Familiar_
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From: Joe.Francis@dartmouth.edu (Joe Francis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.humor,talk.religion.misc,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:01:59 GMT
 <srutt.711951273@beagle> <24JUL199211195153@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu>  
 <1992Jul27.144139.18261@teleride.on.ca>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Jul27.144139.18261@teleride.on.ca>
stevew@teleride.on.ca (Stephen M. Webb) writes:

> It's simply an inaccurate definition of atheism.  An atheist is not one
> who believes that a god does not exist.  An atheist is one who does not
> believe a god exists.  There is an important semantic difference.

Indeed it is.  But has been pointed out here ad naseum, both
definitions are widely used.  To say that one is wrong and the other
right is misleading.  Respectable sources can be found for either.  I
suggest you follow the advice of the alt.atheism FAQ, and simply
indicate which variety of atheism you mean when discussing the term,
and refrain from attempting to define one of the two definitions as the
"correct" one.  It's both an error, and counterproductive.
From:  (jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Hey-what about us freethinkers and secular humanists
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:55:24 GMT
Organization: haphazard, at best

All this athiest/agnostic talk has left out diests (which I am not, I don't believe
in any natural/moral law.) After too many arguments over what MY beliefs
are ("But, if you say you are an agnostic you HAVE to believe this...") I just said
screw it, I'll use Freethinker or Secular Humanist and bolt fo the door.  Just
let everyone think what they want, don't hurt anyone, and leave me alone,
that's what I say.


Jon   jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
===============================
"If the Rapture occurs while I'm driving -
someone grab the wheel"  - really cool bumpersticker
Organization: Doctoral student, History, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 09:38:40 -0400 
From: Lori Cole <lc1r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Three Farmers On Their Way To A Dance

I just finished this book and am still trying to decide what I think
about it -- I seem to have very mixed feelings about structure vs.
characterization vs. the ideas discussed.  Has anyone else read it and
what do *you* make of it?

Lori Cole
From: nickles@sage.cc.purdue.edu (john a nickles)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Great last sentences
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:41:04 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


 Herewith my favorite last senences and to avoid spoilage, I will not list
book or author. (See if you recognize them!)

The knife missed him by inches, and he took off.


I been there before.

He loved Big Brother.                    

...the Rachel searching for her lost children, had only found another orphan.

They looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and could not tell which
was which.

"I've seen worse", he said.

John A. Nickles
Standard Disclaimer: Purdue has their opinions, I have mine
From: levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Re-reading of childhood favorites (was Re: RAH)
Date: 28 Jul 1992 14:54:27 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

twain@milton.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin) writes:
|For singular entertainment value in this vein, check out _The Most of 
|S.J. Perelman_, in which he has a handful of essays about re-reading 
|youthful favorites.  These give me great joy.  Here he is on re-reading 
|_The Sheik_, in "Into Your Tent I'll Creep":

Thank you for mentioning this!  I was given this by a roommate at
least 24 years ago, in trade paperback.  It's falling apart but I
still have it, one of my favorites (and source of one of my sig
quotes, see SJPs introductions to the various sections of the book).
What was also fun was trying to locate some of the novels which
inspired these essays.  I found a couple in the Widener Library
stacks; the same roommate gave me another a couple years later after
finding it in an outdoor bin of old books in front of a bookstore.
They're funny reading, at least after having read the SJP "Cloudland
Revisited" essays... not that I necessarily recommend them (the
novels, that is).

	/JBL
=
Nets: levin@bbn.com  |  "There were sweetheart roses on Yancey Wilmerding's
POTS: (617)873-3463  |  bureau that morning.  Wide-eyed and distraught, she
              N1MNF  |  stood with all her faculties rooted to the floor."
                     |					-- S. J. Perelman
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From: amartell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alex Martelli)
Subject: Re: Arancia all' Orologeria
Keywords: Nadsat, tolchock, chelloveck
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 15:50:32 GMT

bonness@cae.wisc.edu (Matthew Bonness) writes:

>I just read Burgess' _A Clockwork Orange_, a most

The title was translated into italian as "L'Arancia
Meccanica", not literal but probably better.
--
Alex Martelli - preferred email alex@am.sublink.org
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From: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Subject: Re: RAH
Reply-To: mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:07:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.233617.11433@slammer.UUCP>, brad@slammer.UUCP (Brad Isley)
writes:
> In article <1992Jul24.130651@IASTATE.EDU> mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
writes:
> >I read Farnham's Freehold a long time ago, and liked it.  The plot is nicely
> >worked out, tight, and interesting.  For some reason, it was never very
> >popular.  
> 
> I read it, too.  I have read almost all of RAH's work.  It was one of the
> few of his earlier works that I did NOT like.  Why?  It was depressing.
> Sure, the mechanics were right, and the morals he was trying to espouse
> were ones that I agreed with.  I just got depressed reading it.  It might
> be a common opinion - explaining it's lack of popularity.
> -- 
> emory!slammer!brad   (Brad Isley)
> +1 404 841-4169 Work			 Nopottopeein: "Howzit Goink?"
> +1 404 925-9663 Home			  The gang: "Fine, just fine."

You know, Brad, I think you're right.  People like a nice optimistic view
of the future, and this one *wasn't*.  Thanks for reminding me.

Marie