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From: emillan@SUNA0.CS.UIUC.EDU (Emilio Millan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Computer to Russia?
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:24:23 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

>          1. Will there be an import duty on a transfer of the
>          machine's ownership to Russian hands? How much?

Probably not--Russian/Soviet customs has fallen apart--but by
law, they may extract from you a hefty customs duty, keeping the
computer at customs until it is paid.  Also, corruption is fairly
rampant in ex-Soviet customs; you might get hassled if they
think they can get away with it.

>          2. If so, can the duty be avoided by loaning the machine
>          rather than giving it away?

Might work--probably worth a try.

>          3. Does our State Department still have restrictions
>          about transfering PC's to Russia?  Are there any good D.O.S.
>          contacts on this subject?

Very little has changed in US/CoCom export control.  If the
processor in the PC is a 486 (maybe even a 386), you should
definitely check with State.

>          I'm set to leave in a couple of weeks, so I'd like to smooth
>          the road now.  Please mail me directly unless you
>          believe your answer is of general interest to the list.

Two weeks?  You probably should have looked into this earlier.  If
the PC you want to bring over is restricted, I would doubt that you
could get permission in time.  Good luck!

                                            Emilio

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Emilio Millan, CS Department, Univ. of Illinois at U-C    emillan@cs.uiuc.edu
From: mmarkish@FEDS46.PRIME.COM (Mark Markish x2799)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: absurd
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:31:13 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

> From: Leonid Libkin <libkin@SAUL.CIS.UPENN.EDU>
>
> >BTW, as this is s.c.s - who in Russian literature were close to absurd
> >tradition except Gogol (whom Nabokov loved, not hated)? In modern?
>
> I am not in a position to speak about absurd tradition in 19th century
> (frankly, I believe it didn't exist until this century, ...

"The philosophy of the absurd, while implicit in a large number of
 contemporary works of art, is fortunately quite explicit - if we
 know how to interpret it - in the writings of Nietzsche ...

"In Nietzsche we may read the philosophy of the absurd; in his older
 contemporary Dostoevsky we may see described the sinister implications
 which Nietzsche... failed to see. In these to writers, living at the
 dividing point between two worlds... we may find almost everything
 there is of importance to know about the absurd."

 (The Philosophy of the Absurd, by S.Rose. Epiphany, #2, 1988, p.45)
From: sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Backgammon
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:59:18 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: sheyn@csa


I am pretty positive that there are readers in this group that have played
backgammon ( 'nardy' ) back in Russia and wouldn't mind trying to play for
fun on Internet backgammon servers. If some of them want to see the difference
between level in Russia and international level, they may try by either
telnet 134.130.130.46 4321
or
telnet 131.215.48.30 3200
Igor
P.S. 
Note a slight difference in rules.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)
Subject: Re: C T P A H A   Y   H A C  -  H A   K A P T E   T b M bI
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 18:17:08 GMT

In article <86108@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.160747.15723@leland.Stanford.EDU> arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian) writes:
>!In article <1992Aug12.143824.5396@watson.ibm.com> galina@watson.ibm.com_ (Galina Kofman) writes:
>!>Zhenya, thank you for your permission to post the poem.
>!>================================================================
>!>
>!>  C BOCTOKA - BOHb. 3AKOH COBKA
>!>  HAM CHOBA YKA3YET MECTO.
>!>  HE YMEP XAM. CECTPA TOCKA
>!>  CO3HAHbE KOMKAET, KAK TECTO.
>!>
>!>  MOCKBA MEPTBA. OTBETb, KOMY
>!>  PEBETb BO TbME, KAK 3BEPb, OT CTPAXA?
>!>  KTO 3ACEBAET B KYTEPbMY
>!>  3EPHO 3ABETA, KAMEHb KPAXA?
>!>
>!>  HA KPACHOM O3EPE - COBA,
>!>  HA KPACHOM O3EPE - XPEHOBO.
>!>  TAK BKYCHO PAHO YTPOM BAC
>!>  KAK CYKY C'ECTb HA 3ABTPAK CHOBA!
>!>
>!>  CEMEPKA, TY3, KA3AK, MYPA,
>!>  KOPHET, OXPAHKA, CYETA,
>!>  CYMA, XOMYT, KPOBATb... YPA!
>!>  3ACPAHCTBO, COBECTb, KPACOTA...
>!>
>!>    C T P A H A   Y   H A C   -   H A   K A P T E   T b M bI,
>!>    K A K   C K O P O   C B E T   Y 3 H A E M   M bI ?
>!>
>!>
>>>                                Evgeniy  Fedyunkin.
>!>================================================================
>!
>!		
>!			3AME4ATE/\,HO!
>
>
>   DEPbMO .

	

	KTO DEPbMO? DA Tb| 4TO?
From: Mike Stukalin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: School #2, Class 1986
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:37:00 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company, Rochester NY
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92234.012518M81BC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, M81BC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes...
>I am trying to get together people who graduated from Moscow Hihg School #2
>in 1986. If you are a member of Class 1986 or know someone who is, please
>reply to one of the e-mail addresses below. Particular people I am looking
>for are: Michael Kiselman, Arkady Gleyzer, Boris Kogan...
>-------                                                                
I'm surprized you're not looking for Ivanov, Petrov, Sidorov and Fedorov...
:-) :-)
Mike.S
From: alex@took.enet.dec.com ("Alex Allister Shvartsman, EMF,              LKG2-2/T2 21-Aug-1992 0901")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Unified Team's medals
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:06:17 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

% From: Igor Belchinskiy <bil@BURKA..AIX.KINGSTON.IBM.COM>
% So, to make a lot of medals at Olympics  you shouls either be very big
% country  - xSU, US, China, Germany,
% or small but very special - Ukraine, Cuba, South Korea
%
% :-) :-) :-)

Igor,

(-: What's your definition of "small"? What's you refinition of "very big"?
    Is Germany "very big"? Is Brasil "very big"? Is Ukraine small, you know,
    like in "Small Russia"?
:-)

Alex
From: sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: C T P A H A   Y   H A C  -  H A   K A P T E   T b M bI (R -
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:57:13 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: sheyn@csa


In article <9208141535.AA18491@feds66.Prime.COM>, dleschin@FEDS66.PRIME.COM (Dmitri Leschiner) writes:
|> |Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:25:17 GMT
|> |From: Sergei Borodin <sergei@UPENN5.HEP.UPENN.EDU>
|> |
|> |In article <13333.2a8a7df4@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>
|> | vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
|> |>In article <1992Aug13.181708.22635@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
|> | arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian) writes:
|> |>> In article <86108@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei
|> | Borodin) writes:
|> |>>>In article <1992Aug12.160747.15723@leland.Stanford.EDU>
|> | arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian) writes:
|> |>>>!In article <1992Aug12.143824.5396@watson.ibm.com> galina@watson.ibm.com_
|> | (Galina Kofman) writes:

|> Ya kagda devush'ek abizhayut, ni lyublyu, slyushaj! Zachem abizhat',
|> slyushaj? Devush'ka nexaroshij slova ni lyubit, slyushaj! Devush'ku
|> lyubit' nada, slyushaj! Ti panimaish' da? Ni panimaish' da?
|> Lyubit' nada, panimaish' da?
|> 
|> 
|> --------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Vazon                                    vazasi@ZASRI.NASRI.SRI.COM
|> Zasiandze                        1917 Sovoc st.,Palo Alto, CA 94545
|> --------------------------------------------------------------------

Kuda nuzhno lyubit' this particular devushku, v kakuyu imenno chast'? 
Esli zadelalsya gruzinom, dogovartivay. 
Anyway, I'd like to have this discussion saved for future generation, so they
never forget what environment their ancestories come from.
From: dleschin@FEDS66.PRIME.COM (Dmitri Leschiner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re:  Don't show off!(Re: a final word)
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:06:40 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

>Date:         Tue, 11 Aug 1992 20:23:53 GMT
>From: Leonid Libkin <libkin@SAUL.CIS.UPENN.EDU>

>in Russian
>translations their names were spelled as "BEKET" or even "B3KET" and
>"|/|OHECKY", right?                       ^(should be Russian 'B')

Wrong. They were spelled as "BEKKET" and "|/|OHECKO".
From: shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Soap Opera on xSoviet TV (from ClariNews)
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:21:17 GMT
Organization: Boston University Chemistry Department

Looks like the time is right...for anime on Russian TV!!!!

I'm certain they would LOVE KOR (Kimagure Orange Road) over there!!!

One question: where do they get the money to buy the rights for the series?

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// Ryan: What is it to you, demon?       //// Sergei Shimkevich             //
// Lune: It is Sir, Demon to you, worm!  //// shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu        //
// -Phantasy Star III                    ////                               // 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: sam@janus.chimkent.su (Yuri)
Subject: Re: Looking for job/job info in former Soviet Union (Q)
Keywords: job
Reply-To: sam@janus.chimkent.su
Organization: Janus Ltd,XSU
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 07:47:00 +0300

Dear Terence:
If you come to our city of Chimkent in Kazakhstan we garantee a job for you.
But still,what is your speciality ? Do you speak Russian at all ?
       Yuri
From: oleg@Veritas.COM (Oleg Kiselev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: a final word
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:19:27 GMT
Reply-To: oleg@veritas.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Organization: Palo Alto Killifish Loft
X-Disclaimer: I speak for myself only unless explicitly indicated otherwise

muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky) writes:
>BTW, you are wrong, leather belt is too mild.

I wouldn't know.  I use leather belts as a means of keeping my pants on
my hips.  When I need a spanking implement, I use tools made specifically 
for that purpose.  I have a modestly sized, but adequate collection.

>It seems, that you are the only person in the world who bows to this
>situation due to economic hardship. 

I like being well off, thank you.  I had been quite poor in the years past 
and had lived on a tight budget.  I did not like it, I don't believe my 
spouse is interested in being poor and I would not want to raise my children
in poverty.
-- 
"Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and 
child." -- Dan Quayle
 
Oleg Kiselev                                             oleg@veritas.com
From: vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: C T P A H A   Y   H A C  -  H A   K A P T E   T b M bI
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:21:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.181708.22635@leland.Stanford.EDU>, arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian) writes:
> In article <86108@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug12.160747.15723@leland.Stanford.EDU> arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian) writes:
>>!In article <1992Aug12.143824.5396@watson.ibm.com> galina@watson.ibm.com_ (Galina Kofman) writes:
>>!>Zhenya, thank you for your permission to post the poem.
>>!>================================================================
>>!>
>>!>  C BOCTOKA - BOHb. 3AKOH COBKA
>>!>  HAM CHOBA YKA3YET MECTO.
>>!>  HE YMEP XAM. CECTPA TOCKA
>>!>  CO3HAHbE KOMKAET, KAK TECTO.
>>!>
>>!>  MOCKBA MEPTBA. OTBETb, KOMY
>>!>  PEBETb BO TbME, KAK 3BEPb, OT CTPAXA?
>>!>  KTO 3ACEBAET B KYTEPbMY
>>!>  3EPHO 3ABETA, KAMEHb KPAXA?
>>!>
>>!>  HA KPACHOM O3EPE - COBA,
>>!>  HA KPACHOM O3EPE - XPEHOBO.
>>!>  TAK BKYCHO PAHO YTPOM BAC
>>!>  KAK CYKY C'ECTb HA 3ABTPAK CHOBA!
>>!>
>>!>  CEMEPKA, TY3, KA3AK, MYPA,
>>!>  KOPHET, OXPAHKA, CYETA,
>>!>  CYMA, XOMYT, KPOBATb... YPA!
>>!>  3ACPAHCTBO, COBECTb, KPACOTA...
>>!>
>>!>    C T P A H A   Y   H A C   -   H A   K A P T E   T b M bI,
>>!>    K A K   C K O P O   C B E T   Y 3 H A E M   M bI ?
>>!>
>>!>
>>>>                                Evgeniy  Fedyunkin.
>>!>================================================================
>>!
>>!		
>>!			3AME4ATE/\,HO!
>>
>>
>>   DEPbMO .
> 
> 	
> 
> 	KTO DEPbMO? DA Tb| 4TO?
> 
    Zachem rugaeshsya,daragoy?! Eto poeziya a ty rugaeshsya!
Tebya nozhikom davno ne zarezyvali da? 
Eto stihi,a ty vse rugaeshsya.  
A stihi,kanechno,genialnie. Pochti kak u znamenitogo Gazona Zaseyana
"Ty pomnish chudnoe mgnovenye...". Dazhe slezu obronil.
v.
From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Mail in Russia
Date: 13 Aug 92 07:03:49 GMT
Organization: Mail Group

TSLYWKA@iubacs.bitnet ("Terence R. Slywka") writes:

>I seem to recall hearing something a few months ago about problems with mail
>delivery to Russia.  There were reports that postal workers were opening
>packages and letters.  Does anyone know if mail service reliability has
>improved?  I sent a letter to Moscow today and I would like to know what
>chances it has of getting to the proper place.

I don't know about Russia, but my experience sending mail to several
South American countries suggests that any letter that has a stamp on it
is a target for theft (of the stamp).  If you have the post office
meter-stamp the letter it has a much better chance of arriving.

Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
From: lcjst2+@pitt.edu (Lester C Jacobson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: HELP Bank in Moscow
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:07:19 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug17.234443.25716@ncsu.edu> gutkin@stat.ncsu.edu (Boris Gutkin) writes:
>
> HELP, does anybody know of any western banks in Moscow?
>

The bank which has been recommended to me is the Dialog Bank, a foreign-owned
concern which operates out of the Slavianskaia Hotel (near the metro stop 
"Kievskii Voksal").

It is possible to wire money to this bank in Moscow ($10 charge plus 3%
commission) through the Bank of New York.  The contact name I have at the
Bank of New York is Gennel Orndahl -- perhaps it would be best to call him
and find out more information.  

Hope this helps,

jake  lcjst2@unix.cis.pitt.edu   Pittsburgh   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)
Subject: Letter to Armenia.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 00:38:17 GMT

	Pis`mo Zazhravshegosia Studenta Na Rodinu.

		( Iz heopublikovannogo )


Chast' I. Raskayanye.


	Kholodnim utrom v stenu gliadia
	Bez sveta, gaza i vodi,
	Ne uprekayte, boga radi,
	Shto izbezhal ya toy bedi ...

	Pover'te, liudi, predpochel bi
	Ya s vami merznut' i stradat',
	No shto podelaesh - komu to
	Ved' nuzhno vsekh nas predstavliat` ...

	Banani, mango, ananasi
	Uzhe davno ne lezut v rot,
	Surovoy sovesti grimasi
	Mne otravliayut i kompot ...

	Ne v etom sut' suschestvovanya -
	V strane kholodnoy pustoti,
	Khlopot, i vecnhoy suyeti,
	Tem gorshe bremia rasstavania ...



						Stenford, noyabr` 1991 goda.



	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: pmaggs@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Peter B. Maggs)
Subject: CyrWin
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:01:42 GMT

I got a copy of the CyrWin package (Cyrillic for "Windows") by
anonymous FTP.  Unfortunately I erased the diskette and forgot
where I ftp'd it from.  Can somebody tell me where I can get
it again.
pmaggs@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: galina@watson.ibm.com (Galina Kofman)_
Subject: C T P A H A   Y   H A C  -  H A   K A P T E   T b M bI
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:38:24 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Zhenya, thank you for your permission to post the poem.
================================================================

  C BOCTOKA - BOHb. 3AKOH COBKA
  HAM CHOBA YKA3YET MECTO.
  HE YMEP XAM. CECTPA TOCKA
  CO3HAHbE KOMKAET, KAK TECTO.

  MOCKBA MEPTBA. OTBETb, KOMY
  PEBETb BO TbME, KAK 3BEPb, OT CTPAXA?
  KTO 3ACEBAET B KYTEPbMY
  3EPHO 3ABETA, KAMEHb KPAXA?

  HA KPACHOM O3EPE - COBA,
  HA KPACHOM O3EPE - XPEHOBO.
  TAK BKYCHO PAHO YTPOM BAC
  KAK CYKY C'ECTb HA 3ABTPAK CHOBA!

  CEMEPKA, TY3, KA3AK, MYPA,
  KOPHET, OXPAHKA, CYETA,
  CYMA, XOMYT, KPOBATb... YPA!
  3ACPAHCTBO, COBECTb, KPACOTA...

    C T P A H A   Y   H A C   -   H A   K A P T E   T b M bI,
    K A K   C K O P O   C B E T   Y 3 H A E M   M bI ?


                                Evgeniy  Fedyunkin.
================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: ernestk@wam.umd.edu (TERMINATOR III)
Subject: Re: Wire Money to  Moscow
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 01:57:07 GMT

	Is it possible to wire $$ from Moscow to US?
From: vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: C T P A H A   Y   H A C  -  H A   K A P T E   T b M bI (R -
Date: 17 Aug 92 10:32:47 EDT


In article <1992Aug14.211135.22109@watson.ibm.com>, oleg@watson.ibm.com writes:
> In  <93713@bu.edu>  sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn) writes:
>>
>> |> > Kuda nuzhno lyubit' this particular devushku, v kakuyu imenno chast'?
>> |> > Esli zadelalsya gruzinom, dogovartivay.
>> |> > Anyway, I'd like to have this discussion saved for future generation, so they
>> |> > never forget what environment their ancestories come from.
>> |>
>> |> Igor, ty chto-to pereputal. Tebe nado ne devushki lyubit, a malchika.
>> |> A v kakuyu chast - sprosi u Marka Markisha, on podrobno raz'yasnit.
>>
>> How do u know who I am to love?
> 
> Ne volnuisya,- tebya lubiteli sami naidut. A yesli ne naidut, cherkani mne,
> ya tebya s Kosarom poznakomlyu.
> Da, poka ne zabyl, mozhet tebe ne chasti, a zapchasti sgodyatsya ?
> Ty togo, ne robei, pryamo na Uralmash napishi - oni razberutsya.
> 
> Oleg Vishnepolsky

  Da uzh! Poshlost' po teme "BOHb C BOCTOKA" perehodit vse predely.
A mne vspominaetsya drevniy anecdotik:
 
 V komnate mnogo gusar i na stole lezhit golaya zhenshina. Gusaru zateyali
sorevnovanie. Vstavlyayut zhenshine v '...' ogurets i nuzhno tak
udarit' po zhivotu,chtoby ogurets,vyletev popal v golovy gosudaryu
portret kotorogo visit na stene. Vhodit poruchik Rzhevskiy:
_ Gospoda, chto vy delaete? Eto zhe baba! Ee ebat' nuzhno.
Gusary:- Nu vot opyat' prishel poruchik Rzhevskiy i vse oposhlil!
From: mmarkish@FEDS46.PRIME.COM (Mark Markish x2799)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re:  Russian (and ex-Soviet) calendar
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:29:07 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

> From: Rizos Sakellariou
>
> Which calendar is currently used by Russia and the other
> ex-Soviet states ?
>
> One would consider the answer trivial, replying : of course
> the Gregorian calendar which is used throughout the world, with
> the exception of the Russian Orthodox church who use the old
> Julian Calendar (some 15 days behind?)

Not exactly. It is not Russian Orthodox Church, which follows the Julian
calendar, but the Orthodox Church in general, in many countries, including
Greece, with exception of those church hierarchies who recently (since the
`20es) opted to switch to the Gregorian calendar. I think that Eastern
Christians also follow the Julian calendar, but I might be wrong.

The difference between the two is 13 days, and will remain such (given
a chance to) until the year 2100.

> However, in a book published in 1986, I read that :
>
> "...In the S.U. they use an even more accurate calendar introduced
> in October 1923. All years are ordinary years except those which
> when divided by 9 leave either 2 or 6 as remainder..."

The catch is probably in the word 'they'. 'They' who? Russia is a great
country, larger than the USA. Even if the density of nuts per capita,
per square mile, or per $1 GNP, in Russia is an order of magnitude lower
than that in the USA, you still have a substantial population of that
"more accurate calendar" potential users.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz)
Subject: Re: New Russian leader after Yeltsin
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 06:57:38 GMT

>3) All hairy leaders go away "peacfully", because of "natural" reasons
  > like death (in the future, it is possible to have, also, term-expiration,
  > but history didn't see it yet). All hairy leaders are always forced
  > to quit ( You'll say that from the bald leaders (Lenin, Khrushchev,
  > Andropov, Gorbachev) Lenin and Andropov are exceptions? Not true: 
  > in fact, Stalin completely isolated Lenin and put him in sort of a jail.
  > As for Andropov, his death was to suspicious and there were too many
  > rumors about it).

I read that Andropov had kidney disease even when he first met Gorbachev
in Stavropol when the two of them were the only ones in the Brezhnev crowd
who couldn't drink to excess (Anropov because of his kidneys, and Gorbachev,
who is diabetic.) Since Gorbachev and Andropov were two of the only sober
people in the entire Brezhnev government, Andropov maneuvered Gorbachev
into being his political heir, since he knew he was dying but that Brezhnev,
who was suffering from alcoholic liver disease and alcoholic senile dementia,
would die first. So that is why Andropov died so soon, and how Gorbachev
made it to Moscow from Stavropol, and eventually became the leader.

As for Lenin, he was almost completely disabled by the time Stalin had
acquired the nerve to try to push him around. But even still, he fought
him to his last breath. He certainly was not in any "jail" except for the
physical prison of being a victim of repeated strokes.

And was Gorbachev really forced from power? That is how he would want it
to look if he really had something to do with the coup. I would think
that any Soviet leader with half a brain who received his political
training in the Khrushchev era would be leery of CRIMEAN VACATIONS
while his underlings are publishing newspaper articles calling him a
traitor. The timing was rather suspicious, as were his references to
"the script" of events in his dacha when "the players" came to arrest him.

He was an actor in high school, too.

Was it in '86 that he told Shevardnadze that "the whole system has to go"?

-pms
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: gutkin@stat.ncsu.edu (Boris Gutkin)
Subject: HELP Bank in Moscow
Originator: gutkin@essss3.stat.ncsu.edu
Organization: Statistics, NCSU
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:44:43 GMT


 HELP, does anybody know of any western banks in Moscow?

	Please reply to gutkin@stat.ncsu.edu
From: dleschin@FEDS66.PRIME.COM (Dmitri Leschiner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re:  An excerpt from today's UPI report on Bosnia
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:28:26 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

>Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:42:43 GMT
>From: Leonid Frants <frants@XENON.STANFORD.EDU>

>	The reference to ``Potemkin villages'' referred to the Soviet film
>``The Battleship Potemkin'' of 1924, in which Soviet citizens
>constructed false villages to hide from attackers.

No, it referred to villages which Prince Potemkin constructed
to hide from Soviet citizens attacking him from the battleship
Potemkin in 1924.