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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:31:41 EST
From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject:      Teens In Trouble

    700 Club on STD's in the United States -----------------------------

    The numbers:

    2/3 of all STD's occur in teens and young adults under 25.

    3,000,000 teens will become infected this year, or about the
population of Colorado.

    Gonorrhea, 1.3 million, becoming more difficult to treat.

    Syphilis, 135,000, soared to its highest level in over 4 decades.
Untreated, it can lead to paralysis, insanity, or death.

    Chlamydia, 4 million, hard to detect and causes infertility.

    Genital Herpes, 500,000, painful, highly contagious, INCURABLE.

    Genital Warts, 1,000,000, Human Papilloma Virus, causes genital
warts, and sometimes cervical cancer.

    Teens talking, "Everyone does it, it's just part of growing up. You
don't just get up and think 'Oh, I'm not going to have sex'. You have to
experiment, you have to try things out." They think they are
invulnerable. They then interviewed someone who has syphilis for the
second time. He had as many as 25 partners in a single week.

    Dr. Stanley Monteith is a surgeon at Dominican Hospital in Santa
Cruse, an expert in Sexually Transmitted Diseases and author of the book
Aids: The Unnecessary Epidemic. He firmly believes that if we want our
children to grow up clean and free of STD's that we must start teaching
abstinence and morality because:

    "There is NO such thing as safe sex. It's like playing Russian
Roulette in the lottery of death. A lottery in which there are no
winners, there are only losers, and if you lose you can look forward to a
slow painful demented death."

    Monteith says the real danger is that teens come to rely solely on
the effectiveness of condoms, instead of relying on their own ability to
say no.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

    As I posted some time ago, schools are bringing in abstinence
programs because "It's our children and we don't want them to die.", but
Planned Parenthood is trying when ever it can to stop them, even though
the number of pregnancy and STD's goes down.

    It's not all gloom and doom, but we still have quite the battle out
there. If we get a chance to help an abstinence program out there, we
need to do it. Children are dying. Perhaps I shouldn't care, mine aren't,
but I do.

    Rachel gets offended when some at Civil Air Patrol say things like
"What's your G** D*mn Problem?", not because home schooling has made her
unable to cope, but because she finds it "ignorant". She becomes a
sergeant next Tuesday and hopes to show that she can command without
having to resort to such things. More power to her.

Maks.
From: gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk (G.J. McCaughan)
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Subject: Re:      Re: Whose will is dominant?
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:30:57 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

In article <CHRISTIA%92111113135426@ASUACAD.BITNET>,         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET> writes:

> Further question on the will of man thread :
> 
> "Does God ever make anything POSSIBLE or does He actually accomplish what
> He desires to?"
> 
> This idea of Christ making salvation "possible" is not worthy of a Saviour
> like ours, and is a slap in the face of a God who is SOVEREIGN.

Why? Of course God is sovereign. Doesn't mean he can't choose to let us have
some say in the running of things. I'm sorry you don't like the idea, but that
doesn't mean it's false. Surely you can see the difference between (i) the idea
that God is not able to control everything and (ii) the idea that God could do
anything he wanted but has chosen to let us make some of the decisions?

> Good Heavens, where will it all END?
> 
> Why don't we just fall down and worship MAN.  Yikes!!

Do I really have to answer this?

Incidentally, I don't primarily worship God for his power. If it turned out that
actually Satan was the omnipotent one and God the "subordinate" (don't worry; I'm
not suggesting it might) then I would still be on God's side.

-- 
Gareth McCaughan     Dept. of Pure Mathematics & Mathematical Statistics,
gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk  Cambridge University, England.    [Research student]
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:28:39 EST
From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Christian Attitudes About Cannibalism
              6 Nov 1992 09:26:21 EST from <BSCURR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>

Boy, criticized for Rush and then we're talking about the cannibal
that passed his mother in the woods. 8-O

Warning: The FCC has recommended that the following commercial is
         not suitable for young posters.

Anyhow, the "meat" was not drained of blood. Regardless of what was
allowed, they were always told to drain the blood. How would you
do this on someone who died of natural causes unless you had them
ready to string up and slit their throat as soon as they "died"
by your estimation.

Could anyone condone this? I think not. Yuck.

Maks.
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 10:42:53 CST
From:         William Jordan <JORDAN@LATECH.BITNET>
Subject:      My Election Results

I had earlier asked for prayer concerning my race for the Republican
State Central Committee here in Louisiana.  The election was yesterday
and the results are not what I would have preferred.  There were four
candidates running for two positions.  There were two "traditional"
Republicans and two of us who could be called "social conservatives".

The people split their votes, and elected one person from each side.
I was the "social conservative" who lost.  I did receive 1184 votes
(which was 42% of the total).  I do not know 1184 people, so obviously
some people did read our literature.

I am still confident that I was acting in God's will in running for this
office.  I am now faced with the prospect that God called me to run but not
to win.  I do not know the reason for this.

On the other hand, it does appear that our side is making progress.  This
spring all of the "old guard" who ran for our local executive committee won.
This fall we have won one of two seats that were up for competition.  It
appears that we are in for a protracted intra-party struggle in our area,
for both sides are organized and unwilling to concede to the other side.

This is a rather depressing day for me.  I ask again for prayer, this time
for insight into why God would call me to run and lose.  I'm sure there is
some lesson in it, but I do not know what that lesson is.

My campaign was part of an organized campaign by social conservatives
across our state to have more influence in party affairs.  I won't know
how that came out for a few days.

Confused, but still trying to trust God,  Bill

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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 16:06:51 EST
From:         Lon Mendelsohn <LMENDELS@CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Calif. Prop 161
              4 Nov 1992 15:12:30 -0500 from <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>

Eric,

I heard that it was defeated.

Shalom,

Lon Mendelsohn
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From: nlt@gboro.glassboro.edu (N. L. Tinkham)
Subject: Re: Predestination or Free Will
Organization: Computer Science Department, Rowan College of New Jersey
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 05:36:07 GMT

Eric Ewanco writes:

> But second of all, what Arminius suggested is formally heretical, and
> always has been.  He insisted that man can choose God naturally, without
> the help of the Holy Spirit and without prevenient grace (grace that
> comes before the act).  This was condemned a long time ago (the heresy
> of Pelagianism) and thoroughly refuted by St. Augustine (which if you
> will recall, was a Catholic, and a Doctor of the Church.)  Catholic
> teaching is that no man can turn towards God without being enabled to do
> so by the grace of God.  Man on his own is wholly unable to choose God.

I don't think the Arminian position is as extreme as the Pelagian one.  The
Arminian position does say that we can accept or reject God's grace, but
I don't think this is meant to be a choice in the absence of grace.  The
Five Articles of the Remonstrants, for example (an Arminian document, quoted
in Bettenson's _ Documents of the Christian Church _ ), states that

	...man has not saving grace of himself, nor of the working of
	his own free-will, inasmuch as in his state of apostasy and sin he
	can for himself and by himself think nothing that is good -- nothing,
	that is, truly good, such as saving faith is, above all else.

	...this grace of God is the beginning, the progress and the end of
	all good; so that even the regenerate man can neither think, will
	nor effect any good, nor withstand any tempation to evil, without
	grace precedent (or prevenient), awakening, following, and
	co-operating.  So that all good thoughts and all movements towards
	good that can be conceived in thought must be ascribed to the grace
	of God in Christ.

	But with respect to the mode of operation, grace is not irresistible;
	for it is written of many that they resisted the Holy Spirit.


As far as I can tell, the Arminian position is fairly close to the Catholic
one, except that the role of the sacraments is downplayed or omitted.

_____________________________________________________________________________

                                              Nancy Tinkham
                                              nlt@gboro.glassboro.edu
From: ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM (Eric James Ewanco)
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Subject: Re: Whose will is dominant?
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:17:03 GMT
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I didn't catch your answer to my question.

Do angels have unfettered free will?  Does Satan have free will?  Or is
Satan another puppet of God?  Did God will that Adam and Eve sin? Was it
God's sovereign will that they be deceived?

If it was, is not God then the author of evil?  If not, then, by your
own argument, isn't God no longer sovereign?

How do you reconcile the absolute sovereignty of God with the actions of
the demonic host?

Eric
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 14:51:55 EST
From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject:      Problem with intense discussions

Have you noticed some of the "deep" discussions leave you feeling like
this cartoon out of our paper....?

"I say unto you that we must ever seek the equanimous juxtaposition of
anthropomorphic exigencies and eschatological eclecticism... That we
must examine the multifarious and nefarious, arcane contingencies
impinging upon contemporaneous sub-modalities and synergism... and that
we all must become as little children before we can enter the kingdom
of heaven."

One of the reasons I don't follow them. I'm just a little child when it
comes to God. :-)

Maks
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:24:44 -0500
From:         Eric James Ewanco <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Re: God/Allah...

Excerpts from christia: 9-Nov-92 God/Allah... THERESA BLACKWELL@USMCP6 (1134)

> In the movie "Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves", there is a scene in which
> Azeem is asked by a villiage girl no more than 5, "Did God Paint you?"
> "Azeem" replyed, 'OBVIOUSLY' Little Girl responded, "Why?" "Azeem"
> replyed back to her, "Because 'Allah' loves wonderous variety!"
> --------------------
> Loved this movie strictly for that scene if no other one. The innocence
> of the little girl's question, and the un-biased response of Morgan
> Freeman, choked me up, bigtime. She (the little girl) didn't question
> what "Azeem" said. She accepted him, because ...well, because of the way
> he said it.

I also liked the part where Azeen has a telescope, which totally freaks
Robin Hood out when he looks through it (Azeem trains it on the
approaching enemy from far away, hands it to Robin Hood, who sees the
enemy through the telescope, jumps back and wields his sword to fight,
thinking that they're right in front of him). . . . that was a good
example of subtly honoring the technological achievements of the Middle
Eastern peoples (another example was the gunpowder) through the movie,
without stuffing ethno-fascism and anti-eurocentrism down people's
throats.

Eric
From: bgf8n@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Brian Gregory Fern)
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Subject: Re:      Re: Baptists and the separation of church and state
Date: 9 Nov 92 05:05:07 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia


	I happen to have a friend who served as an intern with
the Baptist Joint Committee on Public Affairs this summer as a
"summer missionary" for the BAptist Student Union here at the
University of Virginia.  If you have any questions about the
committee, their work, their policies and what not, may I
suggest him as a first-hand source.
	He is very interested in talking about his experiences,
so you may want to ask him if you are really interested.
However, I can't assure you that he'll have time to respond to
a LOT of questions (those exam and thesis thingies are coming
up, you know ;)   ).

	This is his email address:
			wwh2g@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU

His name is Watt Hamlett.  You can call him either Watt,
Watkins, or Terminator H (seriously!).  
If you DO contact him, please tell him that Brian Fern posted
this article to a newsgroup so that people could have a
first-hand account of the BJCPA...

In Christ,
	Brian  (M.C.Velveeta)
From: LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET (SHELBY A. CROSS)
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Subject: Reply-Prayer-Request-Bill
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:04:54 GMT
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Dear Heavenly Father,

We are in agreement to continue to pray for Bill's mother, and his family
during this time of transition. Father  please engulf them with your pre-
cious Holy Spirit  with your love, joy,  and peace, and let  this time be
one of  remembering the happy  times and the times  as a family  and your
love. Father  help us all  to realize that because  of Jesus there  is no
sting to death and the grave does  no longer have victory over us. Praise
God for  Jesus and for  the blood  that was shed  on calvary for  us all.
We thank  you for  those that will  be with Bill's  mother and  give them
strength and  let them be  a blessing  not only to  her but to  those who
will be  visiting her. Let your  light shine through them.  In Jesus Name
 we pray.  Amen and Amen.

Your sister in Christ,

Shelby--
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:14:16 CST
From:         "St. Jesso" <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Blood of Christ
              10 Nov 1992 09:34:09 -0500 from <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>

Eric ;

Now I am serious with you.
Look, simply put ... all of the sins of ALL those for whom Christ died,
were obliterated in that Jesus fully met the demands of the justice of the
Father.  All sins of those for whom Christ died were ERASED, by Jesus'
perfect sin-substitutionary, penal, expiatory, propitiatory saving work
of Atonnement.  Period.

No more sins ... no more wrath of the Father ... no more punishment for those
whose sins were laid on Christ to His account.



Jesse Carnes
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:06:53 CDT
From:         Ian Williams <iwilliam@AU.ORACLE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Jesus as a role model.
              at Nov 9, 92 11:10 am

>
>Ian, (I think it was Ian), could you provide scriptures that indicate that
>Jesus was / is a role model for us?  I have heard this all my live, and
>have problems with it, I'd like to see it in the Word.
>
>Dan Graham
>

I will have to look it up, but I vaugely remember a reference in Hebrews
where it talks about him suffering all the temptation that we did, so that
we do not have a high priest that is unaware of our trials and tribs
(ians heavilly revised and non standard version!)


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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:03:44 CST
From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Whose will is dominant?
              11 Nov 1992 13:55:00 EST from <GRAHAM%DRCV06.decnet@DRCVAX.AF.MIL>

Dear Dan Graham ;

I concur.
Further, even the unregenerate are repulsed at Hell.
From my vantage point, I do not see Hell as the latest cruise resort
and neither does any sane person, lost or saved.
A choice in that matter is ludicrous at best and frightful at worst.


Jesse Carnes
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:40:04 EST
From:         brennan@HAL.HAHNEMANN.EDU
Subject:      (today's) Interp question #1

   Ok - here's the first.

   Luke 21:25 "There will be signs in the sun, moon and
stars.  On the earth, nations will be in anguish and
perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea."

   The astrological signs - whether the planets line up
or not, etc. - I've not met (too) many Christians who
put a lot of faith in these.  Are we wrong in doing
so?  or are the signs themselves more for the people
(non-Christians?) who already believe in them - and
need to realize that their world is in trouble??

   andrew.  (brennan@hal.hahnemann.edu)
From: NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET (Jesse Carnes)
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Subject: Re: Whose will is dominant?
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Dear Scott ;

Take me in context if you please, sir.

When I say "goodness", I mean RELATIVE niceness ... NOT ABSOLUTE RIGHTEOUSNESS.
The image of God is STILL in humans ... GRANTED.
However, the Word is God ALONE is Authoritative as to the DEFINING of what SORT
of Creatures we are and what our present Propensities happen to be.

If Paul says that "...No one seeks after God" and King David states that "I was
a sinner from my conception" and the O.T. says,  "the thoughts of man areEVIL
continually"then the Word of God is OUR Criterion for what we CAN and what we
CANNOT will to do or become.


Jesse Carnes
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:06:06 EDT
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Scripturette 11/12

"Who can accuse the people that God has chosen?  No one!  God is the One who
makes them right.

"Who can say that God's people are guilty?  No one!  Christ Jesus died, but
that is not all.  He was also raised from death.  And now he is on God's right
side and is begging God for us" (Romans 8:33,34).

"God will save us through his Son's life" (Romans 5:10b).

"So he is always able to save those who come to God through him.  He can do
this, because he always lives, ready to help those who come before God"
(Hebrews 7:25).

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo

Scriptures quoted from the International Children's Bible (ICB), New Century
Version, copyright 1986, 1988 by Word Publishing, Dallas, Texas 75039.  Used by
permission.
From: TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET (THERESA BLACKWELL)
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Subject: DAN....
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:29:10 GMT
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WHOA!
Please, chill with caps-lock.
That hurt my eyes, dude...(sheesh!)
If someone does that here at USM, we say they are "Screaming"
at whoever.
YIKES.
Ease up, willya?????
Your sister in Christ,
Theresa
(Me...."G")

 * <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
From: MKLINE@VDH.BITNET (Michael A. Kline)
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Subject: Good News
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:59:49 GMT
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Rush had an uplifting show today. There will be something coming.

I'll prefix the subject with something like "RUSH - Winners and Losers"
for those that aren't interested.

For those that don't care, they will be able to discard freely. For those
that don't like it, I average about 1-2 personal notes saying "Thank you,
keep it up!". So, I'm trying to make it the easiest I can. If this kind
of traffic gets too large, maybe I'll start my own list. Might be rough as
audit doesn't even think we should have our own internal lists because
we'll be open to security breach. Go figure.

Why post? Because I hope something that I say will help those Christians
that want to get involved do something and do it better and more effectively.

Maks.
From: ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM (Eric James Ewanco)
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Subject: Re: Whose will is dominant?
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:06:42 GMT
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Excerpts from christia: 12-Nov-92 Re: Whose will is dominant? "St.
Jesso"@LSUVM.BITNET (551)

> Dear Eric ;

> We can choose to do the following as unsaved creatures :

> 1) nice things
> 2) cute things
> 3) sweet things
> 4) "good" things

> However, what God demands in none of the above in order to be fit for Heaven
> and His Eternal presence.  He demands :

>       P  E  R  F  E  C  T       R  I  G  H  T  E  O  U  S  N  E  S  S

> Relative goodness, cuteness, sweetness, niceness is not in the BIBLICAL
> criterion for entrance into Heaven.  We must be perfect as to obeying all
> of God's moral precepts ... there cannot be ONE foulup.

Ummm, sure, of course I agree with you, but this has nothing to do with
the topic at hand. The question is, is man totally unable to realize,
with the grace of God, that he needs to turn to God, that he is helpless
without him, that he is powerless to accomplish any good, and that he
must accept the sacrifice of Christ?

Eric