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From: rmwhapham@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: VXL DMA dilemma...
Date: 14 Oct 92 08:37:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: miavx1.1992Oct14.133711.13576
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

OK...I read the FAQ about accelerators and 32-bit RAM and DMA, and I'm 
still a bit foggy on one thing.  I've got an A2000HD with a VXL*30 board.  
I want to get the RAM-32 board, but I already have my A2091 SCSI controller 
fully populated (2M).  Am I correct in assuming that DMA only applies to 
the original 24-bit addressing space and not the 32-bit addressing used by 
the '030?  What I'm getting at is: if I can only DMA to the first 8M of 
FAST RAM, I would have to trash the 2M on the A2091 if I were to buy the 8M 
RAM-32 board, right?  (Or keep the 16-bit and only get the 2M 32-bit 
board.)  I could use some FACTS into this matter (not what Microbotics 
says, but what YOU say).  As always, thanks in advance...

Rob Whapham
Etc. Publishing
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: Hans Ridder <ridder@zso.dec.com>
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 is HERE : )
Originator: ridder@zowie.zso.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:55:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.060236.5656@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <35600@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
>>This left room for pins (3) to address up to 8 M-byte of chip memory,
>>**iff** the Agnus core got updated to support 22-bit addressing.
>
>   Actually, 8M addressing would be 23-bit.

Heh, heh, heh.... (*grin*) What a fool, Marc.  Did you ever think twice
before you posted, as your News software probably suggests?

Gee, I'll bet that Agnus thinks in 16 bit words, not 8 bit bytes.  The
fact that you were off by one should have an instant clue (to most
people.)

Please go back to .advocacy. (*drool*)

>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu

-hans
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From: aduncan@rhea.trl.OZ.AU (Allan Duncan)
Subject: IDE and the 4000 (was...)
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:40:31 GMT

From article <35767@cbmvax.commodore.com>, by mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz):
... 
> Notice that the PC market has 97% of the machines shipping with IDE as
> the *only* hard drive interface.  Notice also that this has not prevented
> much in the way of sales or usability.  Notice also that IDE costs *much*
> less to have on the motherboard than DMA SCSI does.

Not strictly true from my observations - all the 386/486 boxes I have
opened recently have this dinky little card that plugs into the
motherboard slots and controls two floppies and the IDE hard disk.
Ie, no IDE on the motherboard.
 
> Now, for me, I need SCSI.  So do others.  However, it is not a reason to
> call the machine useless.  In fact, if it were, most of the computers in
> the world (IBM-PCs, 97.4% of them) would be useless too.  (I do want SCSI
> and so does the marketing department and so does Lou who had stated
> that the SCSI board will be made and that highend machines will be
> introduced with it on the motherboard in the future)

Like you, all the potential 4000 buyers that I know (the ones that
already have a 2000 or two and a 3000) have a number of SCSI peripherals
that they would want to attach - like the Syquest, the spare Hdrive
and the streamer.
These are the people that have always led the field buying the new machine,
as I'm sure Marketing will tell you (well, they _should_ be able to tell
you) and they are also allied to the group that has Internet access, so
little wonder you hear criticism of the lack of an imbedded SCSI port.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: bmccnnll@unix1.tcd.ie (Barry McConnell)
Subject: Re: VXL DMA dilemma...
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:24:59 GMT

In <1992Oct14.133711.13576@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> rmwhapham@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:

>I've got an A2000HD with a VXL*30 board.  
>I want to get the RAM-32 board, but I already have my A2091 SCSI controller 
>fully populated (2M).  Am I correct in assuming that DMA only applies to 
>the original 24-bit addressing space and not the 32-bit addressing used by 
>the '030?

Sorry if this was a little confusing: "24-bit" means "inside the 16MB address
space of the 68000 & Zorro II" (and I generally was referring to the 8MB of
16-bit fast RAM); "32-bit" means the physical number of data lines between
the '030 and its memory; it has nothing to do with the memory location.

>What I'm getting at is: if I can only DMA to the first 8M of 
>FAST RAM, I would have to trash the 2M on the A2091 if I were to buy the 8M 
>RAM-32 board, right?

This is your best option. The 16-bit RAM is pretty useless in a 32-bit
environment. Unless, of course, you have a need for more than 9MB of total
RAM in the forseeable future, but I doubt this...

Sell the DRAMs on the A2091 to someone, and use the cash towards an 8MB
32-bit RAM board. :-)

Barry.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: A500 hardware question
From: lrfrederick@ualr.edu
Date: 13 Oct 92 10:31:41 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

On my Amiga 500's video output port, the is a small thing that looks sort
of like a ceramic capacitor except that it has three connections on each
voltage line.  I have managed to break these (please don't ask), would
it be OK to just put jumpers across where they were?  (Not to ground of
course.)  They are labeled  EMI 403-405.  Thanks!

lrfrederick@ualr
From: Boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: IDE and the 4000 (was...)
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:38:07 MET
Reply-To: boinger@myamy.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander)
Distribution: world
Organization: System Information 2.0 Development
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Oct14.004031.24182@trl.oz.au> aduncan@rhea.trl.OZ.AU (Allan Duncan) writes:
> 
> Like you, all the potential 4000 buyers that I know (the ones that
> already have a 2000 or two and a 3000) have a number of SCSI peripherals
> that they would want to attach - like the Syquest, the spare Hdrive
> and the streamer.

You are totally correct. I upgraded from an A2500 and am now left
with a SyQuest luying idle in a drawer. It's only known the A4000
for about 20 minutes as I borrowed a friend's Series-II to restore
stuff to it from my A2500. Me, I'm gonna buy an SCSI controller and
next on my wishlist is a Quantum SCSI HD. I'm noticing a definate
decrease in speed compared to my old system. :-( But on the whole
I am very satisfied with my new plaything. I've been playing around
with some HAM8 pics and had some friends drooling. :-) Virtually
no fringing present. Man, is there gonna be a run for those 800x600
VGA 32000 color pictures when moer people get their hands on this
baby...

CYa, Paul

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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Needs of future 4000's
Keywords: 4000, color, future
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:23:55 GMT
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie

In <Bw4x4E.Iu6@rice.edu> kopnicky@owlnet.rice.edu (Lyle Warren Kopnicky) writes:
>1) True IDE driver (not SCSI emulation) for much faster HD access.

Ahem.. I don't think that the driver gets in the way regarding speed. BTW, the
SCSI emulation is done for the special SCSI_DIRECT command. The normal filesystem
will use standard CMD_READ which has nothing to do with SCSI emulation.

>2) A model with a bigger hard drive (240 MB).

Hmm. Some dealers will sell you an A4000 with 240MB drive now..

>7) Full 24-bit color.  The least important thing of all.

The least important thing of all.. :) I'm not sure what full 24bit color will
add since HAM8 comes close to full 24bit.

Regards,
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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:53:03 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Oct15.073221.4832@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
> In article <Bw4xw1.J3t@rice.edu>, kopnicky@owlnet.rice.edu (Lyle Warren Kopnicky) writes:
> > I have a great idea for those who like to complain about lack of SCSI
> > in the A4000, who currently are using 2000's.  Look.  Commodore is prob-
> > ably going to have some sort of PowerUp program to the 4000.  Are they
> 
> 	My dealer told me there will be no educational and power up deals
> 	from Commodore on the A4000, at least for many months. 
> 
> > going to care whether your 2000 has a hard drive in it or not?  Of course
> > not.  So when you power up, put the 2000's SCSI card and drive into the
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> 	Psssst.  The 2091 will not work in the A4000.

Pssst.  Upgraded with new enough ROM's it will work on the A4000. The A2000
user is actually in a good position to upgrade to the A4000, since any hard
drives or ram expansion that he has can move over, subject to the limitation
on slots and that he may want to upgrade to faster cards or on-board SIMM
ram expansion for more performance.



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From: rees@csa.bu.edu (David Rees)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Need help setting up Hard Drive
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:14:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: rees@csa


     Hi everyone.
        I'm having problems getting my hard drive to autoboot.  I have a
St-296-n Seagate 80 Meg hard drive and a commodore a-2091 controller card.
I am also running WB 2.04.  The drive and card a hooked up and I can access 
the drive. (i.e. I can get anything on it, I can format it, etc.).  I have 
a partition that contains the workbench disk and have made it bootable using 
the partition software included.  When I turn on the computer, it accesses the
drive for a second and then goes to the screen where it asks you to insert
the workbench disk.  At this point I can then do a reset and the computer will
boot off the hard drive.  Does anyone know why I can't boot directly?
Please e-mail me at the address below.  Thanks.
   ----Dave Rees   (rees@cs.bu.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: pwappy@well.sf.ca.us (Jeff Walkup)
Subject: Re: Help: my battery backed up clock suck,.
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 07:15:10 GMT

In <Bw3FHt.HHK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> saj31052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scotty A Johnson) writes:

>I just recently purchased a used A500 with the A501,
>and the clock looses about 2 seconds a day.

>Anything I can do about this?

>Scotty AJ
>-- 

>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Scotty A. Johnson     "The beast with the four foot tail."     Iguana@uiuc.edu
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------


You're lucky... my A3000's clock seems to gain about 18mins every few days!
I dunno if its one of the funny games I'm running, or what... I know the
clock in my A500 (A501) was subject to getting munged by screwy games/demos,
but my A3000's clock acts different, it doesn't get totally messed, just
gains time like crazy.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:04:36 EDT
From: <LEEK@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: New Amiga(s) Expansi

In article <n0bcbt@ofa123.fidonet.org>, Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org says:
>>   3: Why not include chipset-expansion cards?
  [rest of expansion card deleted]

>It could be done.  In fact I think this is a pretty good idea.  Of course,
>it doesnt leave very much on the motherboard.  And how are you going to
>squeeze a video port, stereo RCA jacks, serial port, joystick ports, and
>diskdrive port on the end of a card?  It would have to be a really odd
>shaped card.

All the I/O ports still sits on the motherboard along with ZorroIII,
hard drive controller, ram etc.  The expansion port should be a well
thought out connector that carries all of the necessary signals for the
current & future chip set to do its job.   It would make sense to have
the "chip" memory on the board in case C= goes for yet another higher
bandwidth or bigger memory.   Think of the expansion card as a chip
module that houses the chip set.  (It would be a really odd shaped
chip set if all the I/O ports stick right out of the ECS or AGA. :)
Things can be surface mounted or even directly bonded onto the card as
C= sees fit.

>Whatever you do, dont listen to Marc Barret.

Yeap.

BTW from the look of it, it might be possible to get higher resolution
from the AGA chip set the same way as the ECS.  One of the reasons of
not being able to get high resolution like 1024 * 768 is due to the
lack of a faster dot clock.  [Dot clock is used to generate pixel timing]
(I remember that someone mentioned that AGA can have programmable scan
rate, but pixel rate has a upper limit of 35ns.)

One can easily treat a pixel with 8-bit planes as 2 pixels with 4-bit
each.  Simply store the incoming pixel at 35ns speed and spill out the
odd bits and even bits (as 2 pixels) at twice the speed. (DaveH mentioned
there is a pass through mode that bypasses the colour mapping)  Run
that through an external DAC (internal is not usable) to get the RGB
signals.  The  bitplane  to pixel mapping would be pretty weird and
require some software drivers to use it correctly. (DIG would be nice)

I can think of 2 possible ways (both off my head without the benefit of
a 4000 schematic & other docs) to provide such a (2X) clock,

o  Simply use a 17.5ns clock and generate a 35ns to feed the Amiga from
   the video port.  (XCLK and XCLKEN)   You'll lose genlock capability
   (which does not work at 1024*768 anyway)

o  Use a phase lock loop scheme to generate the 17.5ns clock from
   signals on the video slot.

Disclaimer: The above mad scheme is just an idea and it would need quite
a bit more work to make it usable.  C= might put a PLL or something like
that on future AGA.  Who knows.

K. C. Lee  (& his A1000)
Elec. Eng. Grad. Student still looking for a job.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: dburnett@emunix.emich.edu (Don Burnett)
Subject: Re: AA sound chip. Specs?
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:49:10 GMT

Well, doesn't the Amiga have device independent audio in a sense already
because of the audio.device.. I have no knowledge of anything being done,
but I would like to see the audio.device extended to support more sound
capabilities and multiple UNIT numbers, so you could stick in multiple
DSP's etc..

=DonB=



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From: yurick@vaxr.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Does 2.xx Support A2090 with an ST-506 Drive?
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:35:41 GMT
Organization: LLNL_LIS

In article <2AD9D941.2E34@deneva.sdd.trw.com>, Scott Karlin writes:
> I am in the process of upgrading an Amiga 2500 with
> an ST-506 disk to run version 2.x of AmigaDOS.

> I believe I need to upgrade the ROMs on both the
> A2620 and the A2090A.  A tech person at the local Amiga
> store said that the A2090A is "not recommended".
> 
> Does "not recommended" mean:
>   (1)  the A2090A will not work with 2.xx?
>   (2)  the dealer would like very much to sell me
>        a new disk controller and SCSI disk?
>   (3)  all of the above?
> 
> -- Scott Karlin           

Scott,
  I'm not sure if this answers your questions, or not...but, I'm currently
using the A2090 (not A2090-A), an ST-506 HD, and WB2.x, and I don't have any
problems with the set-up.  Since the A2090 came before the A2090-A, I don't see
why it wouldn't work.  Since I do not have the A2620 board, I'm not sure how
that factors into the equation.


Later,
Joe
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema)
Subject: I am getting Hard Disk Errors, May Day, May Day ...
Summary: HD errors
Keywords: HD errors
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:52:44 GMT


 Hello World,
	 	I have an A590 HD controller and a Quantam 52 LPS HD.
 It has been working fine for about a week since I installed it. Earlier
 this morning I started getting this horrible message " Error on dh0:
 sector 6787" and "dh0: is not validated, cant write XXXX "

 What do I do now ? Have no idea. This has never happened to me before.
 Any ideas/suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated.
 Thanx.

Mubashir.

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From: ad99s461@sycom.mi.org (Alex Deburie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: How many Amigas???
Distribution: world
X-BBS-Software: EXCELSIOR! v0.960
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:00:22 EST
Organization: Michigan Information eXchange

I seem to remember hearing there are 3.7 million Amigas worldwide. Is this 
correct? I thought the 3 mil mark was passed some time ago, around the intro 
of the A3000 - only 700,000 new machines seems rather, well, dismal :^( 

Thanks for any replies,

     -- Alex Deburie
        ad99s461@sycom.mi.org
From: agb16@mbuc.bio.cam.ac.uk (Alan Baxter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: RE: Monitors for...
Date: 10 Oct 92 09:08:36 GMT
Organization: U. of Cambridge, England


>Then why on earth don't you run around blaming the PROGRAMMERS that clearly
>did NOT practice proper procedures for interfacing the operating system?   
>THEY are the ones that screwed up, and if they are registered developers   
>then they should have known better.  As far as I'm concerned, Commodore can
>just tell the programmers, "We told you so!"

I'm a registered developer, and they didn't tell me (although it would
have been possible for me to buy a collection of papers that may have
told me). And it is worth pointing out that the examples in the ROM K
manual open a screen of hard coded resolution without reference to the
data base. Further more, you are talking about fairly recent changes
and I wouldn't mind betting that the programs C= distribute NOW through
CDTV publications, for example will contain examples that open hard 
coded screens.

Regards Alan
From: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: PPS 040 & GVP HD Problems
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:50:04 GMT
Reply-To: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren)
Organization: THULOS!, STROMSTAD, SWEDEN
OD-Comment-To: Michael_Portmann


 MP> He wanted to get a new controller to speed up disk access and so bought
 MP> a GVP Series II hard drive controller card.
     < ... >
 MP> Now his problem is whenever he writes to the harddrive, serial data gets
 MP> corrupted. Using JR-Comm, when jrcomm writes the 16k buffer to the HD,
 MP> the next block gets a CRC error.

Classic GVP Series-II problem. It does not have to do with your memory, the
problem stems from that the GVP problem transfers blocks so big that the CPU
is locked out for too long from accessing the serial port, and the one-byte
buffer overflows and produces an error. This problem even exists on GVP Combos
for the A2000, so it is a controller-related problem. Russel Miranda, GVP
Support spokesman in the GVP support echo via FidoNET has apparantly blamed
Commodore for this "feature", even tough many other controllers manages to get
along just fine with high baudrates. They may have changed their opinion by
now, I don't know.
Your friend could try to use DMAFix, or he could also try to lower the serial
buffer in prefs. I run my A500/A590 at 57600 BPS, up to 5000 bytes/sec on a 4
kB buffer. No errors.

 MP> He certainly didn't want all this trouble

;-D  As I said: classic GVP problem...

 MP> and I suspect when the device goes to
 MP> write into the upper 32bit ram, disk access will be much reduced.

Someone said (Barry something? Author of DMAFix?) that GVPs method of
accessing non-DMA memory was quite good. Nowdays. Previous versions (at least
Faaastrom version >4) reacted with a crash.

 MP> Has ANYONE had a similar problem or know exactly what is going on and
 MP> ideas on how to fix it ??

Try to change ROM on the GVP to the latest Faaastrom version (4.40?), reduce
serial buffer (force smaller writes), increase comm-program priority, reduce
background disk activity and multitasking. Use DMAFix. Or: Switch to C= A2091,
that one isn't as fast as the GVP, but it works in harmony with the system.


 Regards:

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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Is it silly to buy a
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:34:44 GMT

In <Bw6537.8CB@lysator.liu.se> boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg) writes:
>  You probably get an autoscrolling screen. I say probably because I didn't
>receive my A4000 today as I expected :-( so I don't know for sure. This would
>be the most logical way to handle it.

You get. You even get an autoscrolling screen when a program asks for
15KHz Superhires that can't be scan-doubled/deinterlaced by Lisa.

>  True, but I don't really think that's a problem. Just switch off promotion
>when you output video.

Well, he meant that you can have a deinterlaced screen _while_ outputting
video. I think that is quite convenient for the people that need it. It
also makes it possible to use the 31KHz monitor in that case. On the other
hand, real video people want to see the genlocked image, so they _have_
to have a video compatible (15KHz) monitor.

Regards,
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