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From: hadden@src.honeywell.com (George D. Hadden)
Subject: wanted:  small aluminum boat
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:01:04 GMT


i'm looking to purchase a small (<= 12') boat, preferably aluminum
with (or and) a 10 horse or so motor.  i want to use it mainly as a
dingy for my houseboat.  

please respond by email.  thanks.

-geo
---
George D. Hadden, Honeywell Systems and Research Center
      *** Where "Research" is our middle name! ***
3660 Technology Drive, Minneapolis, MN 55418 -- (612)782-7769
hadden@src.honeywell.com -or- hadden@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: mgp@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (michael.g.petersen)
Subject: AC Oil Filter for 4.3 Liter MerCruiser
Keywords: Oil, Filter, MerCruiser
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:05:06 GMT

Hello,

I am trying to determine which AC automotive oil filter is a proper
substitute for the Mercury Marine, QuickSilver 41815.  The engine
is a 4.3 liter V6 MerCruiser.  Please respond with first hand
information.  Thank you for your help!

Mike Petersen
/********************************************************************/
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: STU@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Annapolis Boat Show - information
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:36:39 GMT

The Annapolis Boat Show runs the weekend of October 8-12 - with VIP day
(invited or expensive tickets) on the 8th and regular admission on the 9th
to 12th.  I think it is about $7.50 for admission.
 
I'm flying in for the weekend - and staying on a boat near Annapolis.  If
any other out-of-towners want to get together for a beer - and maybe a
sail - drop me some E/mail.   /Stu
From: hj@cbnews.cb.att.com (j.w.herold)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Sailboat for Sale
Keywords: Sailboat
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:02:15 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: AT&T

1985 MISTRAL sixteen-foot daysailer

fiberglass double hull - hard-chined
kick-up centerboard and rudder
galvanized trailer
sails professionally maintained
EXCELLENT condition

$2250
John Herold
603 362-5154 (after 5PM) or respond via e-mail
From: ercn72@festival.ed.ac.uk (R.J.Hare)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: winterizing: hull and bilge cleanup
Date: 1 Oct 92 07:01:19 GMT

I recently saw someone using a *dilut* e* solution of oxcalalic acid to do this job.
Wear gloves, probably best to wear goggles as well, washh off with cpopious
fresh water (or even mildly alkaline water ) afterwards. The cleabHHHning was donwe
with a toothbrush.

Oxalic acid is alosso good for cleaning woorHdwork,,,...

Roger Hare.
From: u4946@cray.com (Scott Coyle)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Tax Advantage on a Live-aboard
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:17:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

Can anyone comment on the tax laws regarding the interest paid on a
live-aboard craft?  Is it deductible as was (is?) a motorhome a few years
back.. The motorhome was classified as a second/vaction home and thus
interest paid was tax deductible like the interest on a regular home
mortgage.. Are there any stipulations such as size, number of compartments,
facilities on board, etc.?  Any insight would be greatly appreciated..

Scott Coyle   -   scoyle@pluto.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Step/Unstep mast?
From: bartley@spss.com (Dennis Bartley)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:15:20 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

In article <1992Oct2.121623.493@clpd.kodak.com> tomb@serum.kodak.com writes:
>
>Well, I just received my contract for winter storage for this year. The price
>for stepping and unstepping the mast has more than doubled. Now I don't know
>about the rest of you, but I really can't afford $120 for something that
>appears this trivial. Does anyone have any thoughts on how I could
>accomplish this task myself? I remember seeing an older couple unstepping
>their mast before a trip up the canal. They seemed to use a 'V' shaped 
>thing with the base straddling the mast base, but out at the rail, and the
>halyard was attached to the tip of the V. It then appeared as if they
>just lowered the whole mast by winch. Has anyone ever seen this done? Care
>to fill in some details? Could I make or purchase a setup like this for less
>than $120? It seems to me that a 24' boat with a ~30' mast outta be managable.
>Thanks for your help and excellent advice!


If the mast is deck stepped (rather than goes through the deck and
rests on the keel), the process is pretty simple. On my C&C 24, the
mast would pivot forward. There was a pin which it did pivot on, if
your boat doesn't have one, you may need another person to keep the
but of the mast in position. Here's what we did:

Attach a line to the main halyard, run the line through a block on the
stern, and lead it to a winch. We'll lower the mast towards the bow.
We needed one person easing on the halyard, and two people forward to
support it, especially after the mast goes past 45 degrees or so. A pole
with a Y at the top can be used to help support the mast while it's
being lowered. 

Ready? Secure the main halyard, and tigten up the line going to the
winch. Unpin the shrouds and backstay. Begin lowering the mast by
easing the line on the winch. Initially the guys up forward won't have
much to support, but as the mast gets past 45 degrees, the halyard
will become less effective, and the people forward will be supporting
it completely.
From: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Cruising Boats (was Re: Book "Maiden Voyage")
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:06:44 GMT
Reply-To: bobp@sandr.com (Robert Parkinson)
Distribution: na
Organization: S&R Software, Incorporated

In article <1992Sep29.140039.11552@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.142549.14671@acd4.acd.com> dmb@IEDV4.acd.com ( Dave Barker ) writes:
>>	Do the smaller Pacific Seacrafts have standing headroom? I
>
>   I think they do, even the Flika (20 feet LOD).

The Flicka 20 has standing headroom. It's remarkably roomy. My friend
Bill Orlowski built his from a bare hull, and it's a lovely boat.
He sailed her from one of the great lakes, spent last summer in 
Annapolis saving money, took off in October for parts south.

Also a strong boat. He told me about being hove to in a gale off
New Jersey, and colliding with a large channel can that had
been carried away. Slight cosmetic damage. I think the Flicka 20
is bulletproof.

The last time I saw him he was working at Fawcetts, and he told me 
"Every day I work, it's another 5 days I can hang out in the Caribbean 
without a care".

Bob
bobp@sandr.com



>
>>	Were the engines diesel ?(I don't remember Tania mentioning the
>>	type of engine in the book.)
>
>   I think it was a Bukh 10 horse diesel. After she got home it was looked
>at by a decent mechanic and everything was fine after that. She probably
>had an air leak in the fuel line or something. 99% of all diesel problems
>are fuel problems.
>
>Wayne Simpson (no fancy .sig this time)
From: mccluret@infonode.ingr.com (Terry Mcclure)
Subject: Sailor's Sextant Wanted for use in  Video Production
Keywords: want to borrow
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:43:57 GMT


Intergraph Corp.
Huntsville, Al


Wanted - Sailor's Sextant


	Do you have or know someone who has a sailor's sextant?  Intergraph's

Video Services (Carl Spurlock - 730-8947) would like to borrow one for use in

a hydrographic video production.  Any help or suggestions on obtaining this

will be appreciated.  You can either send e-mail to me or call Carl directly.



-- 
~~~~~~
"Sometimes I don't think clearly, the rest of the time I just don't think."

						Terry
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dsmith@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (David R. Smith)
Subject: Re: AC Oil Filter for 4.3 Liter MerCruiser
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:30:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA
Keywords: Oil, Filter, MerCruiser

In article <1992Sep29.220506.7678@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mgp@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (michael.g.petersen) writes:
>I am trying to determine which AC automotive oil filter is a proper
>substitute for the Mercury Marine, QuickSilver 41815.  The engine
>is a 4.3 liter V6 MerCruiser.  Please respond with first hand
>information.  Thank you for your help!

I bought a "marine" filter from E&B for my 4.3L V6 MerCruiser.  The box it
came in had the following cross-references marked:

    Oil filter:  E&B 18-7879;  cross-references:
	Chrysler Inboard L-319		MerCruiser 41 815
	OMC 173834			AC PF52
	Fram PH3980			GM 25012760
	Lee LF51A, LF51AHP		Purolator PER4011
	Wix 51036

My van is powered by the 4.3L V6 engine on which the MerCruiser is based.
It takes an AC PF51, which is also cross-referenced to Wix 51036.
I tried out the E&B on my van, and it fit.  (Nevertheless, I took it right
off and put on the AC PF51, and installed the E&B on the boat.)

-- 
David R. Smith, HP Labs |   "I like to get my hands dirty,
dsmith@hpl.hp.com       |   because it stimulates my mind."
(415) 857-7898          |        -- Irwin Sobel
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: guido@blink.att.com (Guido Bertocci)
Subject: Re: So much for Danielle
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:59:33 GMT

As has happened several times in the last few years, either a 
tropical storm or a hurricane has threatened the east coast on
the Friday before a regatta.  So far each storm has been more
impressive on the news and made driving to Annapolis pretty nasty,
but by Saturday the damn things are gone and have taken the wind
with them.  They also scare away people who decide not to attend.

It was actually SUNNY for most of the afternoon on Saturday with
10-12 knots of breeze.  We were able to trapeze all weekend
with a few good spinnaker trapezing reaches.
We got in five solid races with the rain coming down at the
end of the last race on Sunday.  The race committee did a great
job in changing the course as the wind shifted, particularly the
first race on Saturday where they changed the windward mark twice
as the wind shifted around to the south.  The wind rotated 
about 135 degrees and we had reasonable beats on all 
windward legs.

Six boats attended including a new FD sailor who came 
down from Pennsylvania.  He came in at the end, but he 
did an excellent job.  He has a very nice boat and 
needs to spend some time practicing to
get into the fleet.  The wind was also just strong enough to
start making boat handling important.

While I would have preferred more wind, it was a great weekend for
sailing.  There were few boats on the water. No one making a lot of
noise, not much wake, and no "blow" boaters inconsiderately
hogging the channel. :-).  However, I must confess that if you
have a boat that puts up a big wake (maybe a large cabin cruiser),
and if there is a decent breeze, please feel free to go right behind 
me making the biggest wake you can.  Surfing and planing is fast
and fun.

Next year, I am hoping to organize a few after dinner clinics
and discussion to get some of the new FD sailors going.  It will
probably be on the Saturday evening between races and talk
about tuning, strategy and tactics.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett)
Subject: Re: Shortwave radio/recieiver
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: ship-to-ship, ship-to-shore conversation
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:59:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.203846.12636@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>, tsai@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jeffrey C. Tsai) writes...
> 
>I am wondering if the off the shelf shortwave radio can
>pick up coversation between ships or to shore station?
>If so, at what frequency should I tune three radio to?
> 
>Will be interested to hear about the action out there while
>I am not able to be out there.

There are many frequencies in the shortwave band used by vessels offshore. 
some possible ranges are:
	4.125 - 4.417 MHz
	6.215 - 6230
	8.255 - 8300
	12.290 - 12.365
	16.420 - 16.546

If you want to hear boats in coastal waters, you can use a VHF Scanner, as
short range communications are done in the VHF band - 156 - 157.5 MHz
The distress and calling channel is 156.8 MHz.

Peter Bennett VE7CEI                | Vessels shall be deemed to be in sight
Internet: bennett@erich.triumf.ca   | of one another only when one can be
Bitnet:   bennett@triumfer          | observed visually from the other
TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., Canada     |                          ColRegs 3(k)

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: mvartiai@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Nav lights for a sailboat (WAS:Nav lights quiz)
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:35:55 GMT

>From: AKILPINEN@finabo.abo.fi (Antti Kilpinen, IAMSR)
>Subject: Re: Nav lights quiz
>
>A related question to this. Last summer I saw (in Germany) some information 
>which  claimed that they plan such changes to the international regulations
>that you could replace the steaming light and the stern light by one 360 deg
>light. You could thus use the anchor light and bow lights while motoring. Have
>anyone else got any such information? A minimal configuration would thus
>consist of a combined tricolor-anchorlight and a combined red-green bowlight
>(for small < 12m sailboats I suppose).
>
>-antti

That is almost a permitted way to set the lights for a small (<12m) sailboat.
I made the kind of set-up last autumn. 

    Windex       about 11 m above waterline 
     TRI         Tricoloured lantern and         (Aqua Signal 40 Quickfit
     WHI         All-round light white            Tri-White) 
      I     
      I
      I
      I
      BI         Bicoloured lantern about 2.5 m above waterline
      I
      I

When sailing I use tricolour and it illuminates my Windex too.
(Windex is mounted directly to the mast, instead of the lantern.)
When motoring I use bicoloured lantern and all-round white.
Bicoloured is OK, but combined masthead light and sternlight is the question. 
My sternlight is not as far to the stern as possible, but this is not strictly
defined in the COLREGS.
The masthead light is OK (> 1 m above bicoloured lantern).

I prefer to have my lights well above the wawes.
Normally I use a kerosene light as an anchor light.

This arrangement gives good visibility (for the others) and saves my battery.

Matti
-------------------------------------------------------------
Matti Vartiainen, Nokia Telecommunications, Helsinki, Finland
mvartiai@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi                + 358 0 511 5889
From: legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Catalina 30 (WAS: Request for advice ... Cruising sailboats)
Summary: C-30 Tech Manual, ordering information
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:41:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T


   In an effort to stop the trickle of mail requesting the C-30 Tech Talk
Collection before it becomes a flood, here is how to get a copy of your
own.

  The Collection is only available from C-30 Technical Editor Richard
Dickens. The cost is $25.00 (US) postpaid to anywhere in the States,
including Alaska and Hawaii. In Canada, add $4.00 for UPS ground service.
Send your checks and money orders to:

Richard Dickens
12216 Springmoor Three Court
Jacksonville, FL 32225

If you own a Catalina 30, you should also want to be in the National
Catalina 30 Association. Annual dues are $15.00 payable to the "NC30A".
Mail membership requests to:

Doris Goodale
9141 Mahalo Drive
Huntington Beach, CA 92646

   Okay, disclaimers. I am not a C-30 sailor. I own a Catalina 27. I do 
not own a copy of the C-30 Tech Talk Collection. I borrowed one from
Richard so I could see how he put it together (Xerox cut and paste editing).
I am in the process of writing a simailar manual for the C-27, and that's
why I wanted to see how Richard did his.
I promised to send it back when I'm done. Please don't ask me to send it to
you. I can't. If you own a C-30, please support the C-30 Association by
joining up and ordering the Collection from Richard.

Wayne Simpson, IC*27*A Technical Editor, signing off...
From: kellerd@ilex.lle.rochester.edu (David E. Keller)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Sailing into a slip
Keywords: Sails
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:39:11 GMT
Reply-To: kellerd@ilex.lle.rochester.edu (David E. Keller)
Organization: UofR Laboratory for Laser Energetics

In article <1992Sep28.171103.11801@cs.brown.edu>, jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
> In article <28SEP199208550339@erich.triumf.ca> bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett) writes:
> >Yes, I can make mistakes under power too, but at least I have some "brakes"
> >(full power astern), and don't have to tack in very narrow channels.
> 
> You only have brakes when your engine and transmission both work. 
> 
> 
> >When the original poster in this thread spoke of sailing into his mooring, I
> >assumed (because we only have marinas here) that he meant sailing into a marina
> >berth, which I consider to be improper if power is available (at least on my
> >boat - 30').  
> 
> Notions of "proper" certainly change over time. I respectfully disagree with
> Peter here, and feel that one's duty, in getting one's boat to some place, be
> it mooring or slip or anywhere else, is to be in control of it. If I can
> control my boat under sail better than I can under power, I should be under
> sail, right? 
> 
> 
> -John

Wrong.  If you are sailing in and have your aux running in case of need I 
guess it might be all right.  But you are not being honest you say you could
handle a 180 degree windshift with no maneuvering room better with a sail than
you could with 40 horses.

We are all romantics or we would not own sailboats but let's not get carried
away.  The old "real sailors" would have used the iron jenny if they had one
around port.  They were practical people getting a job done - not romantics
practicing art.

If you need to convince yourself you can get to a dock with sails alone 
make sure ALL your resources are ready for use.  But please, get it out of
your system.  I pay a lot of money for a SAFE place to keep my boat and do not
need a lot of people practicing around her.

Yes, engines fail.  I try not to depend on mine by creeping into slips rather
than relying on a last second hard reverse tactic.  But I have seen extremely
shifty winds among the pilings a hundred more times than I have heard of
engines failing while maneuvering around a harbor.

The best place to practice is around a practice buoy you set rather than around
other people's property.

I do not know what is "proper" but I do know what is practical.

These comments were not intended to fan the flames already rampant.  I just
do not want to see a lot of people trying to prove themselves good sailors by
docking under sail in conjested harbors.

Dave
From: tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Sailing into a slip
Keywords: Ouch
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:57:25 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <1992Oct5.023837.10754@phx.mcd.mot.com> dbk@phx.mcd.mot.com (Dave Kinzer) writes:



>Hi everybody!!

>   Whenever I park my car, I never use the brakes.  In fact, I have
>a special lever which, when pulled out, completely disables the
>brake system until I get back under the hood.  I think everybody
>should know how to park this way because you never know when the brake
>system in your car will fail.  Everybody should rig their car like mine
>so they will get plenty of practice like me.  Then everybody will be a
>great driver.

Is this the reason why there are so many accidents on road?

>   Since I normally have the right of way when driving, I don't worry
>about situations where that's not true.  Also, if anybody pulls their car
>out of a parking space in front of me, I don't care cause I don't have
>any brakes.  When we collide, it won't be my fault anyway because I
>have the right of way.  I've never hit any pedestrians or other people's
>cars because I'm always real careful when I do this.  I normally just spin
>a couple of circles to scrub off speed before I run down to the parking
>spot.  Then at the very end, I just hop out and bring my car to a stop.
>Isn't that clever!!  I wish everybody would be a great driver like me.
>GOOD LUCK!!!!!

Some people do not have a clue what good seamanship is all about. 
Too bad for them and too bad for everybody in their neighbourhood.

There is some facts and then there is some fiction. The fact is that
at least in Finland there are more road accidents per passenger kilometer
than there are boating accidents and that there are more powerboat accidents
than there are sailing boat accidents and that there are more sailing boat
accidents while under power than under sail.  You make your choice.


>            * * *   Imminent use of deathnet predicted.   * * *             //
>Dave Kinzer  (602)897-3085  asuvax!mcdphx!teroach!dbk  Opinions are mine. \X/


- Lauri Tarkkonen
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Subject: Ferrocement Boats (was Re: liveaboard sailboats)
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:57:20 GMT


In article <1992Sep28.152949.25720@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, wes@ian.stx.com (John S.) writes:
>
>Are there any cement boat owners here on the net? I've heard that they
>have a distinct advantage over plastic or metal boats in that, if you
>get stove in, the damage is more localized to the point of impact (no
>large cracks). There used to be a builder in Southern Maryland that put
>together hulls of about 35+ feet. They're obviously not racers. Anyone
>here know anything about these kind of boats?
>
I know of at least two instances of f-c boats going hard aground in the surf
and being pounded to dust.  In one instance (near Tavuanu (sp?)) a steel boat
also went aground trying to rescue.  The steel boat lost its rudder and rig,
but the crew from both boats spent the night on it and were towed off in the
morning.

I also understand that they carry more of their hull weight above the waterline
(percentage of hull weight) than a steel or glass boat.  This does nasty things
to righting moments.

Finally, f-c construction is not your typical concrete method.  So getting
repair work done is not a simple task.

But, I don't hate f-c boats.  I used to race f-c canoes!
--
Dillon Pyron                      | The opinions expressed are those of the
TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support    | sender unless otherwise stated.
(214)462-3556 (when I'm here)     |
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pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com          | to another stranger."
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From: roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Shortwave radio/recieiver
Keywords: ship-to-ship, ship-to-shore conversation
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:39:41 GMT
Organization: New York University, School of Medicine

dave@rsd.dl.nec.com (Dave Rogers) writes:
>Frequencies are in 0.01 hertz (one hundredth of a hertz, as required by
>my R-5000 database)

Uh, are you sure you don't mean *kilo* hertz?