HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american


alok writes:

>Yes, lately I have felt ashamed of being from INdia, with all these
>human rights violations and suppression going on there.


I guess one should do something about it rather than making a noise
and fuss about it. If you feel sorry about human rights violations,
then why don't you take up the cause and fight for the rights which 
are being violated.

>No, but I certainly am very disapointed with lack of pragmatism and vision.
>It is as if people are very content with outdated traditions and culture.
>They are so content that even after coming to USA, they are imposing them
>on their children. They are making them an alien in this land. They
>are violating the human rights of their very own children. It is 
>disgusting.

By not allowing the parents in raising the kids the way they want 
don't you think one is infringing upon the parental rights of a person ?

Ranga
From: nkramesh%harpo.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Nanda Ramesh)
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:31:36 MDT
Organization: University of Utah
Distribution: na

slam..bam...dash...hit..flame..

i don't have the article to reproduce here but I distinctly
remember alok saying 
'II's squabble a lot....hence the necessity for a new group'

Hmmmmm.... I wonder who posts articles on this group? II's or IA's ???
:-)))

nanda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: chohan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harpal Chohan)
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:52:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.004928.13823@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes:
>In article <44270@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina) writes:
>>
>>
>>The only difference here being that I'm not whining about anything. 
>>You, on the other hand, are whining that there is too much flaming
>>going on, not realizing that you yourself are contributing to it and
>>not productively contributing to what you feel is necessary for the
>>group.  Exactly the point you missed before in my previous article.
>>
>>Trina
>
>Oh ! slide me a break.. At the risk of getting personal, let me
>just say this that, you are the biggest whiner scia readers have      
>experienced.

Since you seem to have appointed yourself to speak on the behalf
of "scia readers", let me for the record dispute your assertion and
state that you're the one who is acting the neighborhood bully here.

>Also, let me say this that regardless of what you feel, this group
>is here to stay,.........

In case you weren't aware, this group is not
on Spaf's official list, which periodically goes out as a 'checkgroups'
message. With time, and the promised fix of the C News checkgroups this
spring, this group will eventually get weeded out by default; unless the new 
CFV is succesful and the group is back legitimately on the list. Now, stuff
that into your nut and chew on it. And if need be, look up 'default'
in a dictionary.

>              ..............and I will choose to "productively contribute"
>to it when I decide to.

Never heard a lamer excuse before. Well, till that illuminating day, do
the others a favor and quit dictating to them what threads they must stop.

>And also don't bother to flame back, 'cos I'm tired of this thread.

jaa jaa. chal ke kam kar. kisi ne nahi kaha tere ko aa ke is thread ke
saath kushti kar. Man! What an attitude and a half...

-h
---
Disclaimer:	Views expressed are mine, not the U's
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: drmax@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marianna Max)
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:34:51 GMT

In article <44104@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina) writes:
>SHAILESH writes:
>>With all due respect to freedom of speech etc. personal rivalries should be
>>left out of this net. I'm getting sick of reading Trina and Alok flaming each
>>other time and time again.
>
>
>I agree, that this flaming is getting old.  I dont start (perhaps
>I do encourage) these wars.  But I must say that if you want to
>help scia so much, why even bother with these articles?  Why not
>post your own articles relevant to the supposed needs of scia?
>
>Why is it that everyone seems stunted by the flaming wars that
>go on in this group?  If people seem so inclined to keep this
>group, and so many support it, why are they not posting ideas,
>thoughts, opinions on the board?  Perhaps it is a hint as to the
>true feelings of those who want to keep this group.  It is easy
>to vocally support a group, but if people are not going to use
>it for the purpose it was intended for, then such flame wars
>are going to continue to cloud the real issues (which incidentally
>are often on sci already so people are probably just sick of
>rediscussing them on this group).
>
>Sorry so long....
>
>Trina


I have had an impressive number of e-mail postings to the intra-racial post
already (mine post under a different e-mail address). I posted to this
group rather than the SCI group because my impression is that much of what
is on SCI concerns younger posters or students rather than those that are
trying to adjust to permanant residency in the US. Many of the people
who responded to me by e-mail said they did so because they didn't feel
like getting flamed by posting to the news group. I suggest that those that
would find this group useful should start using it that way and the flamers
should be ignored for the time being.

Max
From: rao@parikalpik.eas.asu.edu (Subbarao Kambhampati)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:24:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Arizona State University, Tempe

In article <44270@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina) writes:
>siddhartha writes:
>
>>Seems like you haven't heard of the 'n' key yourself. Next time try using
>>it at the following prompt :
>
>>*******   5 unread articles in soc.culture.indian.american--read now? [ynq]
>
>>It works beautifully.
>
>
>The only difference here being that I'm not whining about anything. 
>You, on the other hand, are whining that there is too much flaming
>going on, not realizing that you yourself are contributing to it and
>not productively contributing to what you feel is necessary for the
>group.  Exactly the point you missed before in my previous article.
>
>Trina


But, but but Trina, you just don't understand!  Dontcha know that Bro'
Sid Nag has taken it as his life's aim to knock some "maturity" into
us ordinary mortals, and to "CLEAN"(TM) the net of what his-holiness
considers bad influences and immature peapul?  That eej why he has to
whine!  Somone gotta do it. And I for one am grateful that Sid has
volunteered to do so.

Rao
[Apr  7, 1992]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:37:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.145852.26320@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> nalawad@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (NALAWADI  SHAILESH MALLIKARJUN) writes:
>With all due respect to freedom of speech etc. personal rivalries should be
>left out of this net. I'm getting sick of reading Trina and Alok flaming each
>other time and time again.

I can't believe how perverted you are. 

I firmly believe that you have a dog.

Let me tell you something, you  peasant, the oceans  are full of dirty
fish.

I couldn't care less about your mental problem.

You're always totally wrong.  I have many religious friends.

How can you say that there is life after death?

Furthermore, you ignoramus, Multics is a really braindamaged operating
system.  You're a drunk.

I have many intellectual friends.  Save the graphics editors!

Your lack of common decency reminds me of a copyright.

I can't believe how phoney you are.

It takes a short goof like you to say that you  wish you were Mexican.
I've never  heard anything as ridiculous as  the idea  that you  think
that young people are all foul because they can't afford whales .


and so on and so on..... in the fine tradition of mw@wistar. 


George

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
I feel like I'm in a Toilet Bowl with a thumbtack in my forehead!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: murthy@tree.egr.uh.edu (purna)
Subject: who can be president? (was Re: Why is SCIA ...)
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:07:27 GMT

trina writes
> Sridhar Venkataraman writes:
> 
> >One quick question: Can a non-US born person stand for Vice-President.
> 
> No. Must be an US born, US citizen.....

now, this brings up an INTERESTING point.  namely, if you look at the line of  
"succession" for the presidency (in case of deaths, assassinations, etc.) it  
starts as : President (obvious)
	    Vice-President (also fairly obvious)
            SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE!!

you may wonder why this is so.  well, first look at this little tidbit:
the vice-president is considered the speaker of the SENATE!

knowing all of this, here's my question.  if i get elected to be a congressman  
(god forbid!) and our "party" gets into the majority AND i become speaker of  
the house AND the president and vice-pres die, can i become president????!!

i am a non-US-born US-citizen.  any political scientists/buffs out thee know  
the policy?

peace,
-purna
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: chohan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harpal Chohan)
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:34:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.151326.24175@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.122930.14302@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes:
>
>>I thought I clearly told Trina not to bother to flame back. ....
>>And that applies to her/his cronies too. Get a hint !
>
>Perhaps you actually believe that you're taken seriously enough for
>people to even consider responding favourable to your suggestions?

Or maybe, Alok's on vacation and he's deputed Nag Bhai to 'run' scia
in his absence. If that were the case, he would have the authority of
the "enlightened creator" behind him...


-h
-=-
" I am the light, without which there shall be darkness all around ...."

                                                - Alok Vijayvargia (3/30/92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: chohan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harpal Chohan)
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:03:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.152627.4528@cirrus.com> venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar) writes:
>In <1992Apr8.122930.14302@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com
>(siddhartha.nag) writes: 
>
>>In article <1992Apr8.025421.18009@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
>gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko) writes: 
>
>>>In article <1992Apr8.004928.13823@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
>sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes: 
>
>>>>And also don't bother to flame back, 'cos I'm tired of this thread.
>
>>>You're determined to make a fool of yourself aren't you?
>
>>I thought I clearly told Trina not to bother to flame back. ....
>>And that applies to her/his cronies too. Get a hint !
>
>Interesting?

No. But it has possibilities...

-h
---
   I have been aware in a vague way that the name Alok V. was always a
source of mirth among netfolk, but since I didn't pay much attention to
his writings, I didn't quite know why it was the case.  I must admit
that he is quite as amusing as everyone claimed he was.
 
						- B. Chandrasekaran (9/5/91)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: guptaa@.alleg.edu (Godfather)
Subject: Re: Trina : What is wrong with you? (Re: accent?  what accent?
Organization: Allegheny College
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 08:13:50 GMT

In article <83766@bu.edu> pankaj@bass.bu.edu (Pankaj Tyagi) writes:
*
*In article <1992Apr3.142943.444@cbnewsi.cb.att.com# alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)  
writes:
*#In article <43665@mentor.cc.purdue.edu#, trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina) writes:
*## 
*## I dont like this group and I will still DAMN WELL POST ON IT WHEN I WANT TO!!
*## 
*#Then you will keep getting flamed ...
*#
*## #BTW, you still owe an apology for calling me 'gay'. 
*#
*## I owe you no apology because I said all in jest. 
*## 
*#Great! Because you said it in jest, that I asked only for an apology.
*#
*#BTW, you first referenced me as your father and then you called me gay.
*#
*#Is your father gay ?
*#
*## If you were around, I would have shown you ...
*#
*## I'm curious...what would you have shown me?  
*#
*#That I am not gay !
*#
*## As always,
*## Trina
*#
*Alok
*
*	SHUT UP!!!!!!! 
*	JUST SHUT UP!!!!!
*
*	I am fed up of you all guys. Stop this bickering *NOW*!!!
*
*	Let us keep this news group a sane place. Please take your
*childish gibberish to other medium such as Telephone or Mail or Email.
*
*Pankaj
*pankaj@bass
*--

[sig deleted]

MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY!!!!
OR WHY DONT WE RENAME THIS GROUP alt.indian.american.flame   or   even better  
alt.indian.american.kill.kill.kill

This is very very disappointing....
tsk..tsk..tsk..
Organization: Senior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Date: Thu,  9 Apr 1992 03:09:03 -0400 
From: Pravin Devineni Ratnam <pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: accent? what accent?
	<1992Apr2.170618.5078@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>
Distribution: usa

The "creator" of this group writes:

*****************************
Hey Trina,
          Given up ? Good. If you don't like this group, don't post
on it. 
 
BTW, you still owe an apology for calling me 'gay'. If you were around,
I would have shown you ...
 
Alok
*****************************

Shown her what?????

At least have the guts to finish your sentence.
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: PLEASE STOP IT
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:23:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr13.155932.1128@cirrus.com>, venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar) writes:
> In <1992Apr10.213811.20397@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com
> (alok.vijayvargia) writes: 
> 
> >It was not your one line statement about thought police that bothered me.
> >It was your repeatition of Pravin's atrocious stuff in your reply.
> >It was quite unnecessary. By repeating it, you recklessly or intentionally 
> >(I hope not) emphasized Pravin's atrocity.
> 
> But how was it harassment of *you*, Alok? 

> Venu Nayar			|		Internet: venu@cirrus.com

Well, Pravin's post was a harassing one. By repeating it in your reply
while not opposing it, you emphasized his post and thus became an accomplice 
in the harassment.

Alok
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Re: Let'em speak, but in what language?
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian.american
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 20:48:42 GMT
Reply-To: raghavan@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Distribution: usa

naik@nynexst.com (Jay Naik) writes on soc.culture.indian.american:


)In Message-ID: <1992Apr5.003315.563@mercury.unt.edu> (Ganesh Gopalakrishan) : 
)
)>>                      We started speaking to our child in English
)>>after his teachers expressed concerns about "communication problems",
)
)	Did this eliminate his "communication problems" ? 

Reminds me of a news item in the local San Jose newspaper 
(about a year ago). They had a black american child assigned 
to a chinese medium class (to keep the class strength same)
and and came to the conclusion that that child was 'retarded'.
So much for the touted California school system.
From: gyanesh@unix.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: Help ..... save soc.culture.indian.american
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:37:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

> sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag) writes:
>>>And also don't bother to flame back, 'cos I'm tired of this thread.

>I thought I clearly told Trina not to bother to flame back. ....
>Sid

Hey, stop bullying !! You just want to flame someone and dont want to give 
a chance to the person to explain his/her views ?

Gyanesh
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian.american:1816 news.groups:10498 soc.culture.indian:14720
From: JLM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american,news.groups,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Repost- Straw Poll: SCIA Revote or Not ?
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:33:08 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center


 The CFV was sent to David Lawrence today.

Jose L. Martinez
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
From: rps@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (raj.sharma)
Subject: Re: Un-ending Bashing [Re: ...........chill out!]
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:07:33 GMT


raj wrote:

> > ... [Let's quit] TELL[ing] PEOPLE WHAT TO DO.
> 
> [I] Second that
>     Third that
>     Fourth that
>        ...
>        ...
>        ...


raj realizes [now] that posting the above was a contradictory behavior -
    
    telling others "what not to do," and at the same time, telling others
                   "what     to do."

    Sorry!


---raj
From: venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: PLEASE STOP IT (Re: accent? what accent?
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:21:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.

In <1992Apr9.230744.23062@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com
(alok.vijayvargia) writes: 

Trina >Oh, man, cant we keep these disgusting thoughts, at least ones with
Trina >regard to me, off the net...I'd really appreciate it.  I already have
Trina >the flu, I dont need to get sick again. Thanks.
Venu >> Tyranny, tyranny...the thought police take over again ;-).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Pravin, Venu
>PLEASE STOP THIS HARASSMENT OF TRINA.
>The matter is between me and Trina. She called me gay and I told her that
>I was not gay. That is all there is to it.
>Any further posting on this subject will be considered harassment of
>Trina as well as myself.

On the contrary, Alok, I take issue with that...when you took the liberty of
posting *YOUR* personal vendetta against Trina on the net (dont argue that
you didn't...I keep a pretty extensive archive), and the request for an
apology from her for calling *you* gay (if she did), you opened up the
matter to discussion from all nettors.

I also consider it extreme arrogance on your part to speak for Trina. If she
has any objection to what *I* said (WHICH IS UNDERSCORED ABOVE), *she* can
take it with me...*you* dont come into the matter. How is the above
underlined statement harassment of you?  I could construe that statement
from you as harassment of me, and an attempt to run me off the net. ;-).  

Moreover, I have received email from Trina pertaining to this very post by
me, where she saw its humor and did not ignore the smiley like you did. 

So, what are you going to do...write my sysadmin? ;-).
-- 
Venu Nayar			|		Internet: venu@cirrus.com
Cirrus Logic Inc.		|		(415)-226-2100 X3737
I don't have to take this abuse from you -- I've got hundreds of
people waiting to abuse me.
From: trinas@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (trina)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: PLEASE STOP IT
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:48:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.45357
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

alok writes:
>> But how was it harassment of *you*, Alok? 
>> Venu Nayar			|		Internet: venu@cirrus.com
>
>Well, Pravin's post was a harassing one. By repeating it in your reply
>while not opposing it, you emphasized his post and thus became an accomplice 
>in the harassment.


By this logic, all the newspapers in the world who wrote about 
Mike Tyson's rape case and reprinted excerpts from testimonies
about the actual rape and the PEOPLE who retold their sides of
the story are just as guilty. NOT!

One who repeats another's harassment only to acknowledge it and
not to condone it is not considered an accomplice.

Trina
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.american,soc.culture.indian,news.groups
From: ramap@spatial.com (Rama K Pidaparti)
Subject: Good reason to say NO to SCIA (was Re: ARI )
Keywords:  sci.canadian
Organization: Spatial Technology, Inc. [Boulder, Co]
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:33:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.184020.7001@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.165549.18743@nas.nasa.gov>, raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan) writes:

>> P.S.: A question for all: What should the distribution line for 
>> these postings be? usa, na or any other suggestions.

>My intention while carrying the RFD/CFV for it was to have it limited to USA
>distribution.

>SCI (soc.culture.indian) should remain with worldwide distribution.

>As the number of Indian origin Canadians increases, they can form
>a soc.culture.indian.canadian, if they like with a Canada distribution.

And with a good number of Indians from Britain/GULF/etc., etc., we'll have a
host of these groups when IMHO only mailing lists would do the job.

Because once a group is created setting the distribution to the local country
can not be enforced and would waste a lot of money.  Because the people
writing FREEly on these groups are witing on them for FREE when somebody is
paying for it.

The most Important reason:  Indians are Indians inspite of changing their
passports.

At least it will be that way for the first few(Two/Three) generations.
Then Say Americans with Indian origins feel the same way as Americans with
German/Irish/English/name_it_what_you_want roots.

Also like Praveen Ratnam said, MOST of the Grad students are going to stay
here permanently with the possibility of changing their passports.  Once
you are American how does it matter.  Down the road all these topics like
which Language to speak become irrelevant.

Deviding Indians here as IIs and IAs is ridiculous.  An ugly attempt.

As of now it is premature to create SCIA.  I am not opposed to its creation
per se.  Just it is not time yet.  It will be a long long time before one would
be needed.

I feel s.c.african.american is relevant because I guess it is not a positive
thing to have a group called s.c.blacks or s.c.N* as they carry negative
feelings.  It is more a problem of choice of 'polotically correct' term.

>Alok

Regards,

Ramakrishna.
--

DISC:  ALL of the above is IMHO.  Spatial's got nothing to do with it.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ndg0487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mr Controversial )
Subject: Lets start a controversial topic
Keywords: National language of india
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:06:45 GMT

Hi Everybody,

	I am a new reader.  I have got bored by reading so many articles on
	arranged and love marraige. Let's start some new topic.
	My suggestion would be

	"How it would be if we accept hindi as the national language of India"


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kotharib@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: More GUJJU jokes
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:14:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.142754.13270@umiami.ir.miami.edu>, dpereira@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
> 
> Q.	What did the Gujju say of Gavaskar?
> A.	He is a master-bater!
> 
> (this is not a gujju joke)
> 
> Q.	What's better than roses on your piano?
> A.	Tulips on your organ!
>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What is that. Very hard to understand. Is it joke? If it is joke then I think I
should have to laugh. I mean I am forced to laugh. Be Precise Brother...

Thanks.

- Whispers