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From: coxm@Software.Mitel.COM (Michael Cox)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Gentle Giant - where are they now?
Summary: more info
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:01:19 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article <167C11677.TZELGOV@vm.bgu.ac.il> TZELGOV@vm.bgu.ac.il writes:

[my previous posting]

>
>    Well, I have "Power and the Glory" on CD (or, rather, a recording from a
>CD). Kind of similar to Octopus, I think...
>    As to their breaking up, I have absolutely no idea. When did this happen?
>I don't s'ppose you could give any info as to how, why, etc...

Sorry I forgot "Power and the Glory".  Yes they broke up after their tour of
the "Civilian" release.  I suppose it was time to call it quits since they
were not selling many albums in those "Disco Days".  I went to see them in
Montreal where they had two shows in one night.  The show I was to there to
see was to start at 8pm but it didn't start until 8.45pm.  The second show
was to start at midnight.  I think everyone knew that it was to be their last
tour.  It was quite evident in their musical selection which featured only two
songs (I think) from "Civilian", none from "Giant for a Day", and only one
from "The missing piece".  I've never understood how John Weathers (sp?) could
drink so much Heiniken (sp?) during a show; mind you he sweats a lot.  He must
have consumed a 2-4 (two-four, to us Canadians thats the standard size, in
bottles of a "case" of beer or ale).  Anyhow the show was very good, and the
venue (not the Montreal forum, but I think it was Theatre St. Denis) was a great
place to hold it.  I don't live in Montreal but 200km away.
   As you may or may not know, Phil Shulman left the group after "Octopus" (or
was it "In a glass House"?) and went back to teaching.  I've heard that Ray
Shulman went on to studio work.  Apart for Gary Green I haven't heard.  Kerry
had classical training so he might be in the London Philharmonic for all I know.
   A little known fact:  Gentle Giant was Elton Johns favourite group in the
mid seventies.  Reginald Dwight had filled in for an ill keyboeardist in a
previous Shulman group.

Michael

-- 
Michael H. Cox      | "I'm hovering like a fly, waiting for a windshield on the
                    |  freeway."  Genesis -- Lamb lies down on Broadway
Mitel Coroporation  |
"Switch me ON"      |
From: earendil@newview.etsu.edu (Allen Garvin)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Best live albums
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:16:31 GMT
Reply-To: earendil@newview.etsu.edu (Allen Garvin)
Organization: East Texas State University, Commerce, TX



Here are my absolutely fave live albums of all time:
    Live at the Apollo, 1962    James Brown
       I can't imagine a more energetic or explosive performance by anyone
       else. The high point occurs on "I lost someone" with its wonderful
       gospel-influenced style, though everthing on the album is worthwhile
       in someway.
    Live in Europe, 1966   Otis Redding
       Redding at the height of his soulfulness, backed by the greatest
       backup band of all time, the MG's. The girl in the audience that
       screams for Otis to sing "Good to Me" is the only part of the 
       album that doesn't please.
    Live at Harlem Square, 1963    Sam Cooke
       I only discovered this album last year. It was released for the
       first time about 6 years ago, and it shows a side of Sam Cooke
       that is largely unknown to those familiar with his popular works.
       The Live at the Copa album always bored me. But here Sam sings
       as soulfully as any time since he left the Soul Stirrers. I get
       chills every time I listen to "Bring it on home".
I can't think of any other live albums that affect me as these do, though
Van Morisson's It's Too Late to Stop Now I wouldn't want to live without.
Ohh, Oh, Oh Oh, I almost forgot:
    Live at Albert Hall, 1966 [Bootleg]   Bob Dylan
       This wonderful and famous bootleg (which I've read wasn't even
       recorded at the Royal Albert Hall) is a truly a masterpiece in
       the annals of rock'n roll. Backed by the Band (then known as the
       Hawks), this is some of the most impassioned music Dylan ever
       made, let alone the Band. A few hecklers in the audience make
       this album really memorable, though they were far out numbered
       by loyal fans (Just before Like a Rolling Stone:
             heckler: "JUDAS!"
         (Dylan strums a little on his guitar)
             Dylan: "I don't believe you. You're a liar."
         (Audience claps, Robbie Robertson comes in on electric guitar
           and then (I can't remember who was on which instrument in the
           Band, as they were often changing) the keyboard comes in, and
           then in as great a moment of glory as can be imagined, the 
           organ washes in with those famous opening chords and the drums
           come crashing down! How can anyone not tremble at such music,
           such art!)

       -Earendil
From: williamsca@HIRAMA (Curtis Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Rush Newsgroup
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:28:57 GMT
Reply-To: williamsca@HIRAMA
Organization: Hiram College, Hiram, OH 44234

Just in case those of you who are posting Rush items to alt.rock-n-roll 
haven't seen yet, there is a new group called alt.music.rush.  If it's not on 
your system, you should scream and yell until your system gets it.


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From: fovsutt@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (VINCENT SUTTMILLER)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: CD packaging
Keywords: eat more recycled moose
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:22:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: lims02.14APR199212220948
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <12374@tamsun.tamu.edu>, rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez) writes...
>In article <1992Apr13.153321.1@acad3.alaska.edu>, fscll@acad3.alaska.edu (Chris Lott) writes:
> 
>|> 2) The paper materials are only half the question, there is also the question
>|> about what to do about the jewel-box... everyone wants to save the landfills
>|> from the plastic, but a lot of people protestr paying for cd's and getting a
>|> flimsy paper or cardboard container. 
>|> 
> 
>This is not a dig on Chris at all, because I keep hearing this argument...
>but, this line of thinking is SILLY!!!
> 
>Given that CDs last either 10 years or forever (depending on who you ask),
>how often are you people throwing away your jewel boxes??  I mean, sure, every
>now and then I step on one or drop it and break it, but this doesn't seem
>like it should be a big problem to the world of recycling.
> 
>Hell, get rid of shrink wrap first.
> 
>Those stupid digipak things (that's those cardboard funky packages we've all been
>seeing on some of the newer releases) can't possibly be durable.
> 
>The introduction of the digipak was purely a monetary decision with an
>environmental smokescreen...
> 
I don't know the whole argument of the plastic box versus the cardboard
package but I do know that producing plastic of any kind produces much more 
waste than paper products.  To produce plastic raw materials have to be 
mixed and a chemical reaction needs to take place.  Then the mixture has
to be separated and the prime material is used for the plastic.  The rest 
is usually waste which is buried, pumped into the ground or incinerated.
I can't remember off hand what the ratio is but it's something like for 
every pound of plastic produced, two pounds of waste is produced.  The 
paper process also has waste products too, but not as much as plastic.  
IMHO paper is more environmentally safe, not the final products because
as everyone says they'll be keeping them, but the process to get to the 
final product. 

Any comments?

Vince Suttmiller 
NASA Lewis Research Center - Cleveland, Ohio
From: blumbergkm@EA.USL.EDU (KEN)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Slaughter
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:27:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: EA.00959301.0E9E6640
Reply-To: blumbergkm@EA.USL.EDU (KEN)
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana

Like Slaughter?.....new one out this tuesday...sounds good (only heard
a few times though, so i cant give a review yet)
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From: forys@remus.rutgers.edu (jessica)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc
Subject: Pearl Jam on SNL
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:03:06 GMT
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.




In a previous article Andrew W Korbut writes..

>I have to express major disappointment with Eddie Vedder's hamhanded segue
>into a Mike Stipe caliber preach during Pearl Jam's 2nd number, "Porch", on
>SNL last night.  What a putz.  However, I suppose all the music critics in
>the nation are going to hail this as a "breakthrough", and hype Pearl Jam
>however long it takes for them to break it big, like they did with REM (about
>6 years?).

If you seriously think that Pearl Jam was doing this simply to get big, then
please re-read (or just read) the lyrics to some of the songs.  Vedder has been
quoted to say that he writes socially important songs.  From the interviews
I have heard with him, and when I saw them he does not want to get too big, in
fact he enjoys small jigs, etc.  

>No matter how much I agree with what Vedder had to say, it was a really
>condescending, obnoxious, pretentious, insulting way to present it in a wholly
>inappropriate forum for doing so.  I suspect that heavy-handed soapbox-ing
>of this sort turns off even those folks who agree with Eddie's position on
>the stuff he's preaching about. 

I have reservations on how much you agree with what Veddar had to say.  
To refer to this as condescending or obnoxious debases the seriousness of the
situation as it appears today.  If heavy-handed soapboxing is effective, so be
it.. at least something will be accomplished.  

I would be curious to know how you feel about other bands expressing their
views when in the spotlight.  For example when the Red Hot Chilli Peppers
were guests on MTV and they did their "soapbox-ing" on hunger, racism, 
bush-bashing etc.  If it is not appropriate forum as you say to do so
during SNL, then when is it an appropriate forum. Wake up this is an election
year and ALOT is at stake, for many causes.

>But to manufacture this idiotic intermission that didn't even fit
>into the song was just pathetic.
Pathetic? I thought it gave the song a little more meaning?

> Dr.D [The Devils Advocate]    "I'd rather be drunk than dead
> v057p7nk@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu    Or go where Jesus led
> awkorbut@acsu.buffalo.edu          So I'll get drunk again
>                                      Or maybe not."    - Mark Lanegan


Although your thoughts are appreciated I feel that it is about time
more bands took a visible stand on issues such as this which at this time
really need to be addressed.

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forys@remus.rutgers.edu
From: mschenk@research.ptt.nl (Mike Schenk)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Aerosmith & Clapton
Date: 15 Apr 92 07:07:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.175658.1266@bvc.edu>, caudlerobina@bvc.edu writes:
> I have two questions regarding two different artists.
> First of all, for all Aerosmith fans, what would you suggest to be the next 
> Aerosmith compact disc to purchase?  I have "Pump" and "Permanent Vacation" 
> and I really like them both.

"Rocks", their first album is pretty good. "Toys in the attic" is 
a good album too. So is the "Live Bootleg" which is an official 
release although the title might indicate otherwise. Actually al 
their albums are good.

> Secondly, I have recently started listening to Eric Clapton and really like 
> his blues stuff and some of his rock.  I have the "Rush" soundtrack and "24 
> Nights" and am wondering what else is good?

Everything by the Cream.

-- 

Mike Schenk
e-mail: M.R.Schenk@research.ptt.nl
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally)
Subject: Re: Three Greatest Consecutive Albums
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:05:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.203950.185@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> a-feygin@uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin) writes:
>
> The Beatles: 

		Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt. Pepper
		(Sorry to disagree-these three seem better suited _to me_)
David Bowie: Low, Heroes, Lodger, Scary Monsters (remove the 1st or last, at
will).
 
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From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Suaron and other Assholes
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:47:33 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada


   So how do we get rid of these assholes now that they are on this newsgroup?
I think they're only looking for attention and as one poster put earlier, they
are probably wimpy, fag rectum lickers but all they are looking for is attention
Let's make a pact not to bother to respond to them; by talking back to them we
are giving them the attention they need. If Suaron writes back to me or
posts re: this post, I promise I will not respond, I hope the rest of the
netters here will make the same pact and leave that cunt to leave his stench
somewhere else where they are stupid enough to get into a war of words with him.

						Gord Niguma
						(loves Poison cause it'll
						(piss off Suaron)
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From: Kevin.J.Feury@dartmouth.edu (Kevin J. Feury)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: ATTENTION IRONMAIDEN FANS (Janick Gers)
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:59:11 GMT
 <1992Apr16.063754.13999@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  
 <1992Apr16.141106.2963@vax.muskingum.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Apr16.141106.2963@vax.muskingum.edu>
sh_strawn@vax.muskingum.edu writes:

> i agree that the loss of adrian was a big blow to maiden, not to take anything
> away from janick.  his decision to go 'pop' was unfortunate.  so what is
> a.s.a.p.? 

a.s.a.p. stands for adrian smith and project, adrian's solo effort. he
worked with pals andy barnett and dave colwell of his older band unchin
as well as a few other guys. having heard some urchin (via maiden doing
some b-side covers) i bought the album which touted 'featuring adrian
smith of iron maiden' on a big sticker. boy was i disappointed, it was
pretty heinous, with nothing even vaguely resembling maiden. that's
what a lotta guys do with their solo album, but after he quit the band
to continue solo, i believe his metal career is over. too bad.


> i believe dave murray wrote 22 acacia avenue, not adrian.

written by smith/harris. taken from the inside sleeve credits of NOB.
dave did however, write it's precursor (alone), charlotte the harlot.

> but the point about
> smith's songwriting is well taken.  without him, it's almost to the point where
> if it's not from steve harris, it's not maiden on the new album (although in
> the past dave murray and bruce dickinson have done some fine maiden
> collaborations).  i would imagine that we will see some janick gers 
> offerings on the new release, unless he just cannot write. 

he wrote some of the stuff for bruce's solo album, TATTOED MILLIONAIRE.
not bad stuff, but then again, not of maiden quality.

> most musicians can adapt their songwriting styles to go along with the > > > style of a longstanding
> successful band like maiden from listening to their music and how it has
> progressed, and iron maiden is the type of band that would encourage janick >to
> contribute.  so the jury is still out until may 12 on the real janick gers.

we shall see. from the reports i've gotten, it's faster and harder than
all previous maiden stuff.
 
> back in the village is my favorite adrian smith riff.  that's on >powerslave.

great tune, however on an album as sweet as POWERSLAVE, it is often
overlooked in favor of aces high, 2 minutes to midnight, powerslave,
rime of the ancient mariner, etc...

-kev.

slatanist@mac.dartmouth.edu

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tell me why i had to be a powerslave
i don't wanna die, i'm a god, 
why can't i live on?
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From: napier@sierra.ucsd.edu (Jim Napier)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Woodstock questions
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:31:05 GMT
Reply-To: napier@sierra.ucsd.edu (Jim Napier)
Organization: U.C. San Diego, AMES Department


On the A&E cable channel last night they showed Woodstock. It's been quite
a few years since I'd seen this movie last and it was very interesting to see
how my perspective on it had changed. A few questions began to run through
my mind however...


1) What happened to the tons of film that didn't make it into the movie or
   the recordings that didn't get on either of the 2 album releases? There
   must have been a lot of good stuff there. In the 22 1/2 years since the
   actual concert I haven't seen a speck of film from it other than what's in
   the movie and that makes me wonder what with all the archival footage of
   various older bands being unearthed. I can't believe all the extra film
   they shot and recordings they made just ended up in the dumpster. Anyone
   know the status? Is it tied up in litigation or something or perhaps 
   stashed away somewhere where it's been forgotten?

2) Most of what I know of Woodstock is from the movie, which can't of course
   go into much detail. I'd like to know if there are any books out there
   that give a more complete picture of what happened, particularly behind
   the scenes. Any suggestions?


Thanks.

Jim

	"...didya get any onya?" F.Z.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: kpm44977@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kevin P. McDonald)
Subject: Basic Instinct soundtrack?
Originator: kpm44977@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: kpm44977@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kevin P. McDonald)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 07:34:39 GMT

I haven't read the net in a while so please forgive me if information about 
this has already been posted.  Does anyone out there know if there is or will
be a soundtrack to the movie BASIC INSTINCT released?  Any info would be
greatly appreciated.

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: bianc@next07pg2.wam.umd.edu (WierdnesS)
Subject: AEROSMITH
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:29:53 GMT

Does anyone know where I can get some Aerosmith jpeg/tiff/gif 's



ftp site cs.uwp.edu has lots of other grets but not Aerosmith







please let me know



Thanks

later duders

BIANC!
From: trixon@PT.Physchem.KTH.SE (JONAS_NEUMAN)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Use of term "progressive rock"
Date: 12 Apr 92 14:22:55 GMT
Reply-To: trixon@PT.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm

I've never listened enough to the bands mentioned to tell if they're 
progressive or not. Bands I would consider as progressive are Gentle 
Giant, Amon D||l II and King Crimson.

Unfortunately here in sweden the label progressive or prog is used 
on a group of mid-seventies bands of "musical-analphabets" on the extreme 
left-wing, only caractherised by their lyrics about society( of course there 
were some good musician in these bands but most of them were awfully bad).
So there might be local variations in the use of the label "progressive
rock", and I myself always have to explain to everyone what progressive 
rock really is.
From: machin@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dave Machin)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Backward part of PF (was Re: Help with ELO song)
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:27:50 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

The message says:

"Congratulations, you have just discovered the secret message.  Please send
your answer to Old Pink, care of the funny farm [Chelsea]"

(Over Roger saying Chelsea you hear someone in the booth say:

"Roger, Carolynes on the phone"

(Then Roger says:

"OK"

End of message

I sampled it into my computer and reversed it in order to hear it.

Dave Machin
machin@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
From: blance@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Brian J Lance)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Let's get rocked
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:25:46 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <92101.161212TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu> <TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.170817.24510@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>,
>Daniel.S.Richman@dartmouth.edu (Daniel S. Richman) says:
>>
>>And by the way, Phil Collen is a much better guitar player than Kerry
>>King.
>>
>
>So how many years ago did you contract your brain tumor?  Hell any
>small child out of beginers guitar school can play rings around
>Phil Collen.   Hell any moron off the street can program a synth
>better than the whole band can.
>
>--the mocking religion of hatred that burns in the night
>Suaron

Now, Suaron, Phil is a better guitarist than you think. In the latest 
Guitar for the Practicing Musician he states that he would like to show
more of his guitar playing and really rip off some incredible solos, but
he is trying to blend in more with the music. He feels that some fast
runs and shit might not sound right in the context of the songs.

I personally wish that he would play some more real solos because I have
heard him do so and he can definitely play!

BTW, Suaron, I'm surprised you even read this newsgroup with all the poser
groups and all. :) I have yet to have read about Danzig here!



Brian Lance