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From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Re: What are the symptoms of Epstein-Barr virus?
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:22:48 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <7540089@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) writes:
>
>Actually, it's the other way around. A diagnosis of EBV is a sure sign
>that your MD is not current in his reading about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.
>
But, but, but, there really are patients who have EBV.  Infectious
mono patients, for one.  EBV can also cause meningoencephalitis.

>On the brighter side, at least he didn't diagnose "neuromyasthenia."
>(Archaic and cryptic term for "mental illness" - one of the default
> diagnoses for CFS.)
>
Do you mean neurasthenia?  Neurasthenia was a very interesting 
diagnosis made about 100 years ago.  I heard a paper presented
on neurasthenia, and it sounded almost exactly like CFS.  I think
it certainly could have been the same disease then as CFS is now.
It was very common around the turn of the century.


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From: terry@thisbe.npd.Novell.COM (Terry Lambert)
Subject: Re: Chinese Herb for Malaria
Organization: Novell NPD -- Sandy, UT
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:48:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.134352.4312@newstand.syr.edu>, mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline) writes:
|> 
|> News flash from today's Wall Street Journal, that indispensible
|> wellspring of medical & scientific information (p B4): 
[ ... ] 
|> Another good example of an herbal remedy being empirically tested,
|> and (perhaps) becoming part of the armamentarium of the "scientific
|> establishment."  Despite the enthusiasm with which news of this kind
|> might be greeted on fidonet, this does not mean that all 2000 year old
|> chinese herbal remedies are effective :)

	Are there any examples at all of "Chinese Medicine" (quoted to include
other than herbel concoctions, not to denigrate) adopting anything from "Western
Medicine"?  I occasionally hear of herb remedy being adopted after study, usually
in the form of an extract containing the active compound as a concentrate (ie:
in JAMA, NEJM), but never hear of anything going the other way.

	Has anyone involved in "Chinese Medicine" ever seen inclusion of a
"Western" medical treatment, regime, protocol, or substance?  This has me
relatively curious.  Thanks.

					Terry Lambert
					terry_lambert@gateway.novell.com
					terry@icarus.weber.edu

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From: Herman.Woltring@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Herman Woltring)
Subject: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome lists, databases, echo, and BBSs
Summary: CFS-L, CFS-NEWS (Internet); CFS (FidoNet)
Keywords: CFS, ME, CFIDS, Eppstein-Barr Virus Syndrome, Yuppy Flue
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:56:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.230059.7749@koko.csustan.edu
bjm@koko.csustan.edu (Barb Moose) writes:
>
>I would like information on Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.  Does anyone know
>of any user friendly articles or books I should look at?  Also, I thought
>there was recently a posting for a newsgroup, but have been unable to
>locate it -- anyone know of a newsgroup or other online info on cfs?
>
> ( ... )
>
>Thank you!
>
>Barb
>bjm@ceti.csustan.edu
 
Earlier this month, a new BITNET/Internet ListServ discussion list and
newsletter on CFS (also called ME, for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, and
by various other names) were started by Roger Burns in Washington DC;
his email address is bfu@cu.nih.gov on the Internet, and bfu@nihcu on
BITNET.  He has started the administrative process to create a link
with Usenet so as to have a mirrored cfs newsgroup.  The archives of
these lists are public.  Send the following commands for membership and
archive retrieval to listserv@list.nih.edu or listserv@nihlist.bitnet
(one per line, Subject: line is irrelevant):
 
subscribe CFS-L 1st_name 2nd_name
subscribe CFS-NEWS 1st_name 2nd_name
index CFS-L
index CFS-NEWS
send CFS-L LOG9208
send CFS-NEWS LOG9208
info genintro

Postings to CFS-L are free (send them to cfs-l@list.nih.gov, *not* to
the administrative listserv address, with a suitable subject line of up
to 40 characters), while CFS-NEWS is moderated.
 
Furthermore, Roger has set up a database at his own site: send empty
email notes to server@cu.nih.gov or to server@nihcu.bitnet with the
following commands in the Subject: line (one per message only):
 
help
get ftp cfs.index
get ftp cfs.resource
get ftp cfs.nih.pamphlet.for.doctors
get ftp cfs.nih.back.groun.der
 ( ... etc. ...)
 
Furthermore, there is a FidoNet "echo" named CFS, and there are various
BBSs that carry CFS information, especially one in Augusta, Maine and one
in Tucson, Arizona; their Tables of Contents can be retrieved from the
above server with the Subject: line commands:

get ftp cfs.bbs.filelist.maine
get ftp cfs.bbs.filelist.arizona
 
Hopefully, this information will be useful for the time being until a Usenet
newsgroup on CFS has been set up.
  
Herman J. Woltring <woltring@nici.kun.nl, woltring@hnykun53.bitnet>
(Please send no private notes to this bbs address)
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From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Salmonella
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:20:18 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

In article <16252@pitt.UUCP>, km@speedy.cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug28.202339.19246@berlioz.nsc.com> alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn) writes:
|> 
|> >Since we eat as a family, what are the
|> >chances of one person out of four contracting salmonella?  The only part
|> >of his diet that isn't shared with other family members is milk: he drinks
|> >non-fat and we drink low-fat.  Can milk harbour salmonella?
|> 
|> If the milk was pasturized, the Salmonella would have to get in it
|> after it got to the store, or in your home. It is more likely that
|> one portion of the other good (poultry, eggs, etc) was infected and
|> the others weren't. 
|> 
|> Salmonella can also be spread by oral-fecal route, by the way.
|> 
|> How was the diagnosis made? Was there a positive stool culture,
|> blood culture, or what?
|> 
|>  -km

The diagnosis was made after taking blood, stool, and urine samples.  I don't
know which sample actually led to the diagnosis, however.  The only poultry
product he ate within 48 hours before the first symptoms was some scrambled
eggs.  My wife cooked up 4 eggs together in a pan and split it with him, so
I would expect that if the eggs were the culprit, the both would have got it.
Someone else postulated that if a contaminated egg were cracked open, and then
she touched his plate, or flatware, and then washed her hands, that transmission
might be possible.

Thanks for the followup.

-- 
Alan Hepburn           "An ignorant person is one who doesn't know
National Semiconductor       what you have just found out."
Santa Clara, Ca              
alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Will Rogers
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Do "deodorant rocks" contain aluminum?
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:10:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <LAUB.92Sep1224235@laub.Software.Mitel.COM> laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau) writes:
>Jan> anti-perspirants, but does not know if the effective ingredient
>Jan> of this rock is aluminum.
>
>Is this the same aluminum that was linked to Alzheimer's disease?

No, you only get Alzheimer's if you drink soda pop from Aluminum
cans or cook with aluminum cookware.  :-)


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From: claudia@lonex.rl.af.mil (Claudia M. Servadio-Coyne)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Diabetic Spikes
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:45:43 GMT
Organization: RL

I have a 4 year old Type I diabetic who recently just started a trend
from bottoming out to now spiking (going higher than what the glucose
meter can read).  Two sips of orange juice can cause a spike from a
reading of 80 or below...before I could give him a cup of orange juice
and hope to get him up to 200 in an hour.  

Also another problem is his overnight number go up steadily through out
the night dispite an increase in his NPH. Example: he can start at
147 have 12 oz of milk and by 10:30 pm be at 250 by the next morning
he is at 316.  What might cause this (I don't believe he is rebounding).

any info on anything would be helpful.

claudia@lonex.rl.af.mil
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Seeking Info. on Angiogram
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:25:47 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <92242.025438RFB3@psuvm.psu.edu> RFB3@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
> I am kindly requesting information concerning the angiogram procedure as a dia
> gnostic tool.  More specifically, I would like to know the risk(s) associated
> with, and the possible complications resulting from, this exam. Furthermore,
> I am interested in finding out the popularity of using the angiogram as a di
> agnostic test among the medical profession. Any statistical information regard
> ing complications directly attributable to angiograms will also be useful.

Angiography is the injection of radioopaque material into an artery
to visualize the distal arterial tree.  It is used in a large variety
of situations where this information is needed.  The main complications
are embolization of the distal tree and bleeding at the site of the
puncture.  It is hard to give any further information without knowing
specifically what arteries are to be visualized.  Risks and alternative
methods are highly dependent on that.
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From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: ******** MICROWAVE HAZARDS ******* [Pacemakers]
Keywords: microwaves, radiation, leakage, interlocks
Organization: The Cat Factory
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:00:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.235158.7965@gateway.novell.com> terry@thisbe.npd.Novell.COM (Terry Lambert) writes:

}... microwave ovens are radio transmitters ...
}... Heating is accomplished by excitation of water
}molecules in the food.  Nearly no other molecules are excited, excepting those
}bumped by the hot water molecules.  ... popcorn kernels
}won't pop if you put them in by themselves.

They won't?  What was I eating all those years?  I used a microwave popper
that kept all the kernels together in a cone shaped pile, but it didn't
require me to put anything but popcorn into it.  It did leave quite a few
unpopped, but the ratio was acceptable.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady)
Subject: Re: On pre-scientific traditions of medicine (was: Use of term
Followup-To: sci.med
Summary: Damn!  And I thought I was doing so well!  
Keywords: NLP   NeuroLinguistic Programming
Organization: University of Hawaii (Mathematics Dept)
Distribution: sci
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 02:34:43 GMT

In article <16151@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.005948.4969@news.Hawaii.Edu> lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu 
       (Lee Lady) writes:
>
>>You wouldn't have done any of these things, since you (according to what
>>you say) place a high value on playing it safe.  I can't say you're wrong,
>>but I think I should be allowed to make up my own mind on my own values.
>
>Since you've embraced NLP, you obviously have.  No one is stopping you
>from running after false systems.  What you don't like is you aren't
>accorded intellectual respectability.

What???  You mean even after posting all these articles on usenet I still
haven't achieved intellectual respectability?  No wonder the New York
Review of Books won't even print my letters to the editor and Jerry
Hollombe won't return my phone calls.  

I guess you're right, embracing NLP must have ruined my chances.
Apparently a true scientist would have play it safe and not embrace
any idea unless he had 100% proof that it was correct.  

Maybe I should just give up this science thing and go into show biz.  

--

Imagination is greater than knowledge.  -- Einstein 

lady@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu         lady@uhunix.bitnet
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: for those interested in mental illness...
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:08:36 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep3.173252.228@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
>For those interested in mental illness, there is an absolutely fascinating
>autobiographical account (177 lines long) posted to both alt.politics.bush and
>alt.politics.clinton by gary stollman, the guy who forced his way into the

[...]
>(not reposting it here because of its length)
>
>------------------------
>Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
>Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA

If this in interesting, then please do post it here. Many sites don't
get any alt. groups. My site is one of them!

Paul
From: mcovingt@athena.cs.uga.edu (Michael A. Covington)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: "Anti-psychiatry": Cool the flames  ...was: Re: Xanax
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:42:25 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Re the "anti-psychiatry" debate that seems to be heating up here, a few
observations:

(1) Granted that there are people whose anxiety is due to a brain chemistry
imbalance -- there are _also_ people whose anxiety is due to bad habits,
or an adverse environment, or who unreasonably want to be free of the stress
of ordinary living.

The problem is how to distinguish them.  At best it is done indirectly.
Unlike insulin for diabetics, we have no chemical tests to show whether
a person needs long-term tranquilizer therapy.

I think the crux of the debate is that right now it is not possible to show
conclusively that a particular case of anxiety is of chemical origin.
That's why, in a recent posting, if I remember right, Gordon Banks stipulated
that long-term benzodiazepine therapy should be prescribed only by a
psychiatrist, not by a primary physician. 

(2) The original posting about Xanax raised a women's rights issue, too.
The poster remarked on "all the young women I know being on Xanax" or words
to that effect.  Haven't there been studies that show that tranquilizers
are more likely to be overprescribed to women than to men?  


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+ Unless otherwise noted, these are private opinions, not official statements.
+ VOTE NO GEORGIA LOTTERY - we need not imitate mistakes of other states.
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From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Subject: Re: Looking for good articles on FOODS AND MOODS
Keywords: food, foods, mood, moods
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 12:56:20 EDT

In article <billd.715162125@cheetah> billd@informix.com (William Daul) writes:
>This months Nutritional Newsletter has an article on Food (vitamins/amino
>acids) and moods.  Can any of you recommed other articles in this area?
>

You might wish to read 
Wurtman RJ, Wurtman JJ: Carbohydrates and Depression.  Scientific American,
January 1989 p 68-75

in which two MIT researchers outline some connections between mood, carbo
craving, melatonin, serotonin, and biological & seasonal rhythms for
the general reader. 

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From: CCMG <CCMG@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: SECTRAL
Organization: McGill University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 14:30:20 GMT

Hi,
    My dad has been taking SECTRAL quite a while for his blood
    pressure, a common problem is that he thinks it irritates
    his stomach, is this true?

  Giovanni

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From: jgary@ms.uky.edu (James E. Gary)
Subject: Sarcoid
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:45:35 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Does anyone have any information on Sarcoid? I apparently have it and was
under the impression that it was not very serious, but now I am having
trouble getting medical insurance apparently because of it.

-- 
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From: sasjcs@canoe.unx.sas.com (Joan Stout)
Subject: Re: Infra-red Glucose Meters
Originator: sasjcs@canoe.unx.sas.com
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:41:50 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


In article <1992Aug30.054156.29290@wolves.uucp>, wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug25.152853.25020@lonex.rl.af.mil> claudia@lonex.rl.af.mil (Claudia M. Servadio-Coyne) writes:
|> >
|> >Has anyone in the diabetic community heard any status at all on the
|> >new infra-red glucose meters?  what company is making them?
|> >Where FDA stands on approval? Is there any other place to get information
|> >on this?
|> 
|> I believe that the new "One Touch" meter from Johnson&Johnson is an IR
|> based meter.  It's been available for a few months now, and I saw it in
|> use at Duke in a research/testing situation about a year ago. (In the
|> clinic, they asked patients coming thru if they could get an additional
|> bit of blood from the "finger stick" to do a comparison test on the
|> "new" machine - we agreed *after* asking if there were an extra charge
|> for the additional test!  But that's another flame :-)
|> 

I think the original poster was asking about a meter that uses laser
technology and does not require a finger stick. Earlier this year, I
heard a rumor that such a meter is available in Canada - a "friend-of-
a-friend" kind of rumor. In May, I was hospitalized at Duke when I
started using an insulin pump. The diabetes educator/nurse at Duke is
very good, and I asked her about the no-stick glucose meters. She
said that research continues, and the FDA is at least two years away
from giving its approval. She said that the meter is not available in
Canada.

|> My wife has been using the Ames Glucometer II for a while, and it
|> started giving some odd results so we got the One Touch and keep the
|> Ames as a back up.
|> 
|> The One Touch is a cute little device, it has *two* micro laser LEDs and
|> detector pairs.  One is visible, and I think the other is the IR pair.
|> The real cute thing is that the One Touch has quite a bit of memory for
|> keeping the readings, and can be hooked to a computer if you have the
|> interest.  Its about time really modern computer technology was so
|> affordable in such a small package.

After my trip to Duke in May, I switched from the Glucometer II to the
One Touch II, and I am very happy with the One Touch. The folks at Duke
recommended it, saying it would be the most accurate meter for me
(because of a problem with anemia). Also, I like the memory feature. 
But it would be wonderful if I could stop attacking my fingertips with
lancets. Let's hope the FDA approves the new meter soon.

Joan Stout
sasjcs@unx.sas.com
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From: kmldorf@utdallas.edu (George Kimeldorf)
Subject: Dangers of new technology (was ***** MICROWAVE HAZARDS ****)
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 04:50:35 GMT

In article <BtynoB.DqH@apollo.hp.com> ganek@apollo.hp.com (Dan Ganek) writes:
>
> [material deleted]
>
>Some other technology that was misused:
>
>1) Floroscopes in shoe stores - I remember how much fun it was
>   as a kid to go buy shoes and seen the bones in your feet.
>
>2) Radioactivity - At the turn of the century numerous scientist
>   suffered the DEADLY effects of radioactivity.
>
>3) The inventor of the betatron (I can't remeber his name
>   but he was a famous Unv. of Ill prof.) got cataracts from
>   looking directly at the beam within the betatron donut.
>                                                 
>
Also, fluoroscopes in doctors' offices.  Getting our annual physical exam was
great fun for my brother and me as we took turns looking at each others
innards through the doctor's fluoroscope.  I was probably exposed to more
x-radiation through those childhood fluoroscopes than in all the rest of
my life.

Does anyone want to conjecture on our current technologies which in the future
will be found to have been harmful?  For example, what about MRI's?  Is it
reasonable to assume that living tissue is not harmed by strong magnetic
fields?  Does anybody know?
>
>
>
From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Salmonella
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:23:39 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

My son was just diagnosed as having salmonella poisoning after spending a
week with a persistent high fever.  The doctors attending him all said
that the incubation period was about 24 hours and that the most likely
sources were poultry and eggs.  Since we eat as a family, what are the
chances of one person out of four contracting salmonella?  The only part
of his diet that isn't shared with other family members is milk: he drinks
non-fat and we drink low-fat.  Can milk harbour salmonella?

Thanks for the help.


-- 
Alan Hepburn           "An ignorant person is one who doesn't know
National Semiconductor       what you have just found out."
Santa Clara, Ca              
alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Will Rogers
From: eang42@castle.ed.ac.uk (L Bootland)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Hiccups
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:36:44 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

alanj@dadd.ti.com (Alan Jones) writes:

>>>3.  What purpose do hiccups serve?
>>none once you are born.  Fetuses make the same movement, it seems to be
>>partly to swallow amniotic fluid (which is needed for something) and
>>partly to exercise muscles that will be needed after birth. Its just a
>>developmental hangover.

>Is this a generally accepted explanation??

Well I did get this suggestion from an article published in a reputable
journal.  Unfortunately I can't remember which, or exactly when,
although it was within the last couple of years.  It isn't certain, but
hiccups isn't the only set of movements that are practiced in the womb,
look at kicking etc.  The difference is the latter movements are normal
and useful after birth, hiccups arn't.  Support comes from evidence that
babies get hiccups more often than toddlers, who get them more often
than 5 year olds etc. 

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