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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 00:25:39 EDT
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From:         Dave Brookshire <david@UMBC3.UMBC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ODI (or any other setup) for 3C501 in IBM PC
X-To:         NOVELL@suvm.acs.syr.EDU

>  3C501 cards in 4.77Mhz PCs will NOT work with Netware 3.11 servers.
>
>  The cards have no buffers and lose too many packets.  The cards will work
>  in AT (6Mhz 80286) or faster PCs.  Your options are to buy new cards, new
>  PCs, or drop back down to Netware 2.15.  I'm not sure about Netware 2.2.

I work with Steve (the originator of the information request), and am familiar
with the current setup of our networks.  Above you state that 3c501 cards won't
work at all with a 3.11 server.  I'm am sorry to inform you that they do.  Once
they complete their bootup sequence, they can login to any of the servers,
regardless of the version, and then continue on with any compatible program on
the server.  Am I misunderstanding what you were trying to say?

About 2.2...as I said above, it works too.

>  --
>  Drew Letcher            | Specializing in PC network application programming
				^^^^^^
>  Systems Programmer      | DOS, Netware, NetBIOS, IPX/SPX, etc.
>  drew-letcher@uiowa.edu  |
>  
>

???

David

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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:22:48 +0200
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From:         Szymon Sokol <szymon@UCI.AGH.EDU.PL>
Subject:      Trouble with Netware Remote Boot

Maybe it is not a good place to ask this question, but I do not
know any better...
We have a heterogenous (Novell Netware 3.11, DECnet & TCP/IP) network.
Most of the PCs have 3C503 cards with BootWare (Remote Boot PROM from
Lanworks Technologies, Inc.), so that they boot from Novell server, then
load TCP/IP packet driver (3c503.exe from Clarkson University), and then
ipxtcp (version of IPX that works over packet driver).
Everything worked fine until I decided to create some alternate boot images
for particular stations. It is written in the BootWare manual that I should
create BOOTCONF.SYS file containing entries specifying boot images for
particular network addresses. After doing that, all my stations refused to
boot - more precisely, they hang immediately after loading packet driver.
It is not a problem with boot images themselves, because it happens even
if I specify the same (default) image for all stations. The mere presence
of BOOTCONF.SYS seems to make trouble...
Is there any good (and knowledgeable...) soul willing to help?

                                     Szymon Sokol
                                     Network Manager

     U     U  M     M  M     M       Computer Center
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:24:52 CST
Reply-To:     craig@ae.agecon.Wisc.EDU
From:         "Craig C. Tierney" <CRAIG@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: testing for a file server

>
>>>I'm looking for a way to test for the availablity of a particular file
>>>server from a workstation.  I want to run an AUTOEXEC.BAT file which
>>>automatically logs on to the server if it is available, but otherwise
>>>branches to some other point, tells the (fairly dumb) user that the file
>>>server is unavailable and then provides some local software.

After running NETX use the exist command on a file that will be in
the login directory


.
.
.
NETX.COM
If exist f:\login\login.exe goto cont
echo No network available
goto LocalSoft
:cont
LOGIN
goto end
:LocalSoft
Rem Whatever
:end

Craig Tierney (craig@ae.agecon.wisc.edu)
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Department of Agricultural Economics
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 06:30:00 IST
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From:         Moshe SOlow <CUCMS@HUJIVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Intel Ether Express Boards

Although I use mostly  packet drivers, ipx (BYU) and netx
on the 4 units that had the intel cards I had to swirth to
odi and odipkt.  Works fine.

Moshe
cucms@hujivm1
solow@noga.huji.ac.il
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:12:52 EDT
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From:         "John L. Center" <JCENTER@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Archive Python Tape Backup Help

I need help in supporting an Archive Python tape backup system on an
Ultrastor 24F controller.  According to a file I ftp'd from novell.com,
this drive is supported with Adaptec controllers, tho' to support it
with the Adaptec 174x controller, the driver is available in something
called the Backup/Restore Driver Kit.  This is the only reference I've
found to the drive.

In the Ultrastor manual, I should select the "HP DIBI-2 Tape Driver",
but I can't seem to directly control this particular tape drive, i.e.,
have it format the tape, erase the tape, run diagnostics, etc.

If anyone can give me some info on supporting this tape drive, I'd greatly
appreicate it.

Thanks.

John

John Center / Journalism Dept. / Temple University
From: JRD@USU.BITNET (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Optima DAT Drive-recommendations?
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:09:22 GMT
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>I'm looking for some cheap (but good) advice. I have an opportunity to
>purchase an Optima Technology MiniPak DAT drive.  Both Mac and PC connectivity
>is available (which is important to me), it comes bundled with Retrospect
>(Mac back-up) and Sytos Plus (PC back-up).  They have two models,
>a 2000DAT and a 8000DAT, they are essentially the same drives, but the
>8000 has built-in proprietary compression that takes a 60 meter tape
>from 1.3 Gb (on the 2000) to 4.8 Gb on the 8000. You can turn the
>built-in compression off if you want to use retropect or sytos.
>
>I can purchase the 8000 (the one I would prefer) for around 2500($US), and this
>should give me everything I need to support both my mac side and my PC/Novell
>side.
>
>Unfortunately I know nothing of this company/product and not much more about
>DAT's in general. I could take the time to do the proper research, but I'm
>being pushed to make a decision in less than 4 days to satisfy the needs
>of a current (high-profile) project. So, I would be extremely greatful for
>any advise/info people can provide.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Donal
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Donal Lynch, Project Coordinator                   djlynch@vm2.yorku.ca
>Calumet College, York University            (416) 736-2100 (ext.-66576)
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        I don't know the vendor either so the drive is probably one of
the industry standard units (ask to find out). I recommend a SCSI interface
with SCSI-I Centronics connectors (a lot cheaper than the new high density
SCSI-II connectors, and the job is the same). Here I use Novastor's Novaback
for DOS to backup local and server disks; the price is good and the performance
is also good. Comments on the net suggest you will soon hate Sytos.
        Archive Python DAT drives sell for about US$1500 (external case)
if you shop around. That's an industry standard SCSI drive of the 1.3/2GB
variety, add $200+ for compression chips. HP also makes good DAT drives.
WangTek and Tandberg seem to be having firmware difficulties this year.
        Purchase an Adaptec 1542B (ISA bus) or 1640 (MCA) or 1740 (EISA)
SCSI controller KIT (kit = board, software, ribbon cable) and rest easy. Also
require the manual for the drive so you can manage jumpers/dip switches; after
all, this is a prime rescue device.
        DAT is good stuff. So are new Exabyte drives (more $$$, more GB).
        Joe D.
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:21:56 EDT
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From:         "J. Pilant" <pilant@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      error in enet.com listing
X-To:         NOVELL%SUVM@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU

sorry, but my mail script routine zapped a blank line from the debug script.
the line was near the end, just before the 'r cx' line.  This blank sends debug
from insert mode back to command mode.


					/jeff
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 10:15:36 -0500
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From:         sean@ZIPPY.NIMH.NIH.GOV
Subject:      Re: OS/2 on the Network
X-To:         Novell LAN Interest Group <NOVELL%SUVM.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>

>How can one support users with OS/2 on the network.  Is it possible
>to put the desktop on the network drive?  It is possible to rig
>it so that someone gets his/her desktop no matter which machine
>he/she logs in on??  If I create or modify a folder, how do I
>copy it to other users' desktops without having to go through the
>creation process again??
>
>How can I put an icon for a network drive on my desktop and get it to
>stay?  I created one, but one time I screwed up my password.  The
>network drive wasn't available, but I didn't realize it because the
>desktop appeared as usual.  I clicked on the icon and the icon
>disappeared never to return!

        I'm not sure of the answers to your questions as I've only been
playing the the Requestor for about a week now.  I'd like to do some of the
things you've asked about, so if you get any answers, could you let me
know?  One thing I'd like to do is find some way for the different users to
be able to use the same machine.  I put a shadow of the SERVER icon on the
desktop, and it does allow people to login/logout, but their login scripts
are NOT executed when loggin in this way (the only way they seem to be
executed is via the CALL= in CONFIG.SYS).

        Here are some of my thoughts:  I don't think it's possible (now) to
run OS/2 from the server (put the desktop there).  There'd probably be a
pretty big performance penalty, since I don't think there is a way to
re-locate SWAPPER.DAT.  One way I could imagine supporting users desktops,
would be too locate OS/2/Win/DOS apps on the server, then create a bunch of
shadows for the apps in a RO/S directory for users, then put a shadow of
this in everyone's startup folder.  I'm not sure how updates to the
directory would be reflected to users though....

        Good luck, and let me know if you find anything out...

Sean
Systems Analyst - NIH
sean@zippy.nimh.nih.gov
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From:         Richard Letts <R.J.Letts@SALFORD.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Remote Boot DOS5.0 problems

TANGER@TNO.NL writes....
>
>
> Recently i stumbled into an unexpected problem.
>
> We have quite some experience with Remote Boot under DOS3.3.
> Following the usual DOS3.3-procedure to make a NET$DOS.SYS, but this
> time using DOS5.0 instead of DOS3.3, produced a bootfile that hangs my PC.
> I tried both the conventional (IPX,NETX) and the ODI way. Both work fine
> if booted from floppy disk but hang in a remote boot situation when using
> DOS5.0.
> The result is PC-hardware independent.
> I tried with both NE1000 and NE2000.
>
Have you run RPLFIX2 on the boot image (available from your nearest
Novell Archive) ?
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Network Manager                 reflect those of my employer
University of Salford               Email: R.J.Letts@salford.ac.uk
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:28:59 PST
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From:         Jay Field <FIELD@BCL.SANTAROSA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Using NOVELL WAIS Server
X-To:         NOVELL@suvm.acs.syr.EDU

> I have tried to use the NOVELL WAIS server using the PC client version
> of WAIS obtained at Syracuse.  It cannot connect.  It does connect to
> other WAIS servers.  Is WAIS still available their?  If someone has
> successfully used it, could you send me the 'NOVELL.SRC' file?  Thanks.
>
> -Stan
> kasper@penndrls.upenn.edu

I have had the same problem.  Perhaps someone could post this to the
list.




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Jay Field
Business Computer Lab
Santa Rosa Junior College

field@bcl.santarosa.edu
(707) 527-4854
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 11:52:00 EDT
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From:         CWADE@EVMSVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Losing connections

Can anyone offer suggestions??

I have a 20 node arcnet network using tp and coax (mixed media hub and
two coax hubs) running Netware 2.15C. Server is a 386 with 4 MB memory.
The primay app is WordPerfect.  This system has been running fine for several
years but over the course of the past month different stations "drop
off" the net and must reboot to attach.  I have tried isolating hubs,
checking the time of day, load on the net, app used, etc.  I cannot
find a single common element.  One day it runs fine, the next day
half the stations drop off.

Thanks,
Claudia Wade
Eastern Va. Medical School              BITNET - CWADE@EVMSVMS
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 09:12:40 EDT
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From:         Graham Thorpe <CCGT@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Keeping workstations out of a file server

> We have two file servers both running v3.11 - one a 100 user system, the
> other a 5 user system.  If a user who has an account on the 100 user system
> runs netx, then it will sometimes place them on the 5 user system, and they
> might not log into the 100 user system right away.  Well, the problem is that
> even though they are not logged into the 5 user system, they are counted
> as one of the 5 users.  So if there are 4 users alreay logged in, and a 5th
> one comes in as a not-logged-in (actually wanting the 100 user system), then
> another person who does want to log in to the 5 user system is locked out.
> Is there any way to have the 5 user system not accept the attach requests exce
> t from certain physical addresses, while allowing it to remain on the backbone
> with the other file server? One way that I can think of is specifying a

Try "set Reply to Get Nearest Server = Off" on the 5-user server.
This will prevent the 5-user server from responding to a workstation's
request for a server. This will mean that when the shell is first loaded
that a workstation will have to attach to the 100-user server first,
and then attach to the 5-user when logging in (set reply to...=off
does not prevent workstations from logging in).

While this solution isn't perfect, it might help your situation.

Note: If you are using Cheyenne Arcserve for backup (on the 100-user
server) it will not back up the 5-user server if it has
set reply...=off . Not sure why.

Hope this helps.

Graham Thorpe              CCGT@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
McGill University
Computing Centre
Montreal, PQ  Canada
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:15:00 LCL
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From:         DANB <DANB.BRANTON2@MHSGW.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject:      Autoexec interrupts
X-To:         - <NOVELL@SUVM.ACS.SYR.EDU>

To: NOVELL

MYSTERY:

On several of our diskless workstation the AUTOEXEC.BAT file stops after
LOGIN GUEST runs.  On other diskless workstations that use the identical
NET$DOS.SYS file (and hence the identical AUTOEXEC.BAT file) created by
DOSGEN, logging in GUEST does not interrupt AUTOEXEC.BAT, which runs
perfectly.

The last two lines of AUTOEXEC.BAT which is incorporated into NET$DOS.SYS,
and a copy of which is of course in PUBLIC\BATCH to which the GUEST is
search-mapped,  are:

                                                       LOGIN GUEST
                                                       STARTUP

On the workstations that stop after GUEST is logged in, STARTUP.BAT fails
to run but the GUEST is normally logged in;  on the workstations that do
not stop, GUEST is logged in and STARTUP.BAT then runs, as it should. The
COMPATIBLE command is in our system login script, but in fact we are not
using an exit command in the GUEST login script (and do not wish to use an
exit command in the GUEST login script).

Any suggestions why AUTOEXEC.BAT is being interrupted by LOGIN GUEST on
some workstations would be much appreciated.

DAN BRANTON
DBRANTON@HARVARD.EDU
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:08:37 +0300
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From:         Steve Druck <VUSTEVE@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>
Subject:      Problem Solved... but WHY!
X-To:         Novell LAN Interest Group <novell@suvm.acs.syr.edu>

I have been driven crazy over the past few weeks by the fact that our
laser printer connected via AT running Print Assist prints 20 times faster
than any of a half a dozen identical printers connected to equivalent
PCs running the identical software.

The solution to the mystery is that here in the Computing Center we didn't
bother updating our Netware drivers while we made sure that our Faculties
are running the latest software; i.e. "The shoemaker's children go barefoot."

Here we are using IPX.COM (IPX version 3.02 and LAN Support Program Driver
V2.50) while in the Faculties they are using the latest LANSUP driver and
IPXODI from DOSUP5.  The problem is not with NETX, as I tested the version
from DOSUP5 both cases.

Changing the other PCs to run with our IPX.COM yielded as much as 50 times
greater speed.  I have not yet tried to run TOKEN.COM instead of LANSUP
but will do so as an exercise even though, in most cases, I need LANSUP.

This, of course, leads to the question "WHY IS LANSUP AND IPXODI SO SLOW?"

I also potentially have a problem for those users who need ODI drivers
to run LWP4DOS.

Signed,
Puzzled
From: COURTNEY@MCCADA.MAUICC.HAWAII.EDU
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Subject: Macs and passwords
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:02:23 GMT
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Date: Mon 17 Aug 92 16:02:45-HST
From: MENEHUNE DELUXE <COURTNEY@MCCADA>
To: novell@suvm.acs.syr.edu
Subject: Macs and passwords

Hi,
   A number of times I have seen mentions of MACs forgetting their
passwords, but never saw a resolution/fix suggested.

   If there is a fix for this ailment, please let me know. Thanks.

Aloha,
      Bill  -  Courtney@mccfyi.mauicc.hawaii.edu
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From:         "Christoph Weber-Fahr [KIT]" <LISTMAIL@KIT.UNI-KL.DE>
Subject:      Volume sizes in connection w. Adaptec SCSI

Hello,

beeing in the process of purchasing an Adaptec 1640 (Microchannel)
with a DEC 1.05 GB drive I was told a lot of Rumors and or stories by some
salespersons about that combination:

- Netware cannot handle Volume sizes above 1 GB, such disks must be
  run with two volumes
- The Adaptec Controllers cannot control Disks above 1 GB
  - you cannot control that drive at all
  - you can only use 1 GB

Since most of those people seemed to reproduce stories heard from others,
could someone comment on Adaptec/Other SCSI controllers run with drives
above 1 GB ? Is that combination running somewhere ?

Thanks in advance,

Regards

Christoph Weber-Fahr

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From: hamish@waikato.ac.nz
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Subject: Promiscuous ODI OS/2 Drivers Needed
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:51:01 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand



A simple question. Are there any OS/2 ODI ethernet card drivers that support
promiscuous mode? I can't get the NE2000 one to do it under OS/2 (Its defined
under DOS, but apparently not under OS/2 in the specs on the net, why not?),
and I have an SMC one, but suspect that as well. Anyone know of any that do?

TIA.

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|  Programmer (n/5), School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences           | 
|  University of Waikato,                                                    |
|  Hamilton, New Zealand.                                                    |
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:28:23 CDT
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From:         Robert Larson 283-4194 <larson@SWEETPEA.JSC.NASA.GOV>
Subject:      LAN ALERT Software
X-To:         novell@suvm.syr.edu

Has anyone heard about or use the software package LAN ALERT from Network
 Computing?

We are looking for LAN MAnagement packages and was wondering if LAN ALERT had
 any competition out there.

Thanks




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=  NASA - Johnson Space Center                         |  |           =
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=   "Any opinions stated above are my own"          ///\  /\\\        =
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