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From: b706zdj@utarlg.uta.edu (Peter Gammons-ESPN)
Subject: All Star Team Update
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:25:00 GMT

Here's the Weekend Update version of the All Star Team:
                AL          NL
1st         Thomas-19     McGriff-21
            McGwire-4     Kruk-1/Bream-1
2nd         Alomar-22     DeShields-11
            Sax-1         Sandberg-7
            Phillips-1    Lind-2
                          Roberts-2
                          Thompson-1
SS          Fryman-11     Larkin-14
            Listach-6     Fernandez-6
            Vizquel-4     Smith-2
            Ripken-2
3B          Edgar-18      Shef-14
            Ventura-4     TP-9
            Gruber-1      Hollins-1
C           Tettleton-16  Daulton-18
            Rodriguez-2   Pagnozzi-2
            Steinbach-2   Olson-1
            Alomar-1
OFs         Griffey-16    Bonds-22
            Gonzalez-14   Walker-19
            Carter-8      Van Slyke-13
            Puckett-8     Grissom-7
            Henderson-6   Lankford-4
            Anderson-6    Dykstra-1
            Mack-4        Bonilla-1
            Sierra-3      Justice-1
            Canseco-2
            Yount-1
            Lofton-1
            Bell-1
SP          Clemens-13    Maddux-14
            Guzman,Ju-5   Glavine-5
            Mussina-2     Wakefield-1
            Brown-2       Mulholland????-1
            Eldred-1      Tewksbury-1
            Ryan-1        Schilling-1
                          Smoltz-1
RP          Eck-20        Wetteland-9
            Henke-1       Smith-4
            Hernandez-1   Jones-3
                          Dibble-2
                          Beck-2
                          Franco-1
Manager     LaRussa-12    Alou-16
            Garner-4      Leyland-5
            Gaston-3      
            Oates-1

We still need more votes!!!! Has anyone else noticed that Peter Gammons
 looks like Orville Reddenbacher?????

Vote to:cs1441fs@decster.uta.edu
        b706zdj@utarlg.uta.edu



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From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
Subject: Re: Trade Clemens?
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:28:25 GMT

In article <steph.722335545@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu> steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
>In <1ejpsnINNr8d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:
>[...]
>
>>     I'm not a Sox fan but I'll bite.
>>     Clemens and Phil Palntier to the Braves for Ryan Klesko, Jeff Blauser,
>>Keith Mitchell, Pete Smith, and Dave Justice.  THe Sox could throw in a
>>minor leaguer or 2, and perhaps someone like Scott Zupcic..  I picture Blauser
>>challenging at one of the middle infield positions.  He can hit pretty well
>>for a middle infielder.
>
>No deal.  The Braves lose their starting SS, RF, and future starting 1B for
>one starting pitcher?  The Braves' pitching is good enough that even a
>hall of famer isn't worth gutting the offense.
>
>Tell you what.  Keep Plantier, and we'll be glad to send you Hunter, Justice,
>and Pete Smith for Clemens.  Deal?
>-- 

I like this trade. The Braves get the best pitcher in baseball for the teams' 
designated drunk driver, the most over-rated player (and biggest cry baby, too)
and the #5 starter. Get Lou Gorman on the phone, I want to close this deal now!!

-- 
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 President Bill Clinton Administration        *   milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu
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From: jplee@zeus.calpoly.edu (Jason Lee)
Subject: Expansion Draft Update -- LIVE
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:59:12 GMT

                          MLB Expansion Draft
                              Live Update
                              as of 11:52

                                Round 1
   Colorado Rockies                          Florida Marlins
1) David Nied, RHP, Atlanta               1) Nigel Wilson, OF, Toronto
2) Charlie Hayes, 3B, N. Y. Yankees       2) Jose Martinez, RHP, N. Y. Mets
3) Darren Holmes, RHP, Milwaukee          3) Bret Barberie, 2B, Montreal
4) Jerald Clark, OF, San Diego            4) Trevor Hoffman, RHP, Cincinnati
5) Kevin Reimer, OF, Texas
-- 
Continuing your live Expansion Draft Updates,
Jason Lee
jplee@poseidon.calpoly.edu
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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: A TRUE RUMOR!  Sandy Alomar for Pat Borders
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:10:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.223816.28584@r-node.gts.org> shadow@r-node.gts.org (Jay Chu) writes:

>Well, the Indians have offered the Blue Jays always-hurt catcher Sandy Alomar
>in exchange for World Series hard working MVP catcher Pat Borders.

>Apparently Pat Gillick turned this offer down.  But, Gillick wants
>Baerga included in the deal.  The Indians said, in that case, short stop
>Manuel Lee must be thrown in the deal as well.

>So, the trade on the table is:

>Alomar and Baerga for Borders and Lee

>I don't understand this deal at all.  Roberto Alomar is already in 2B, why
>need Baerga?  Could Baerga be used for another trade????????

Where did you hear this rumor?  It's one of those "Huh?" rumors, when
you can't figure out why either team would do it.

If someone says to you "Give me the 3rd best 2bman in the league," why
would you say "Only if you give me a lousy shortstop?"

Why would Cleveland want a shortstop, when they've got a guy *at least*
as good, but 5 years younger?

And why would the Blue Jays *want* Sandy Alomar, unless they think it
will make Roberto happy?  If this were the reason, it would be awfully
idiotic.  Among other things, it means you can never get rid of him (cf
Billy Ripken) until you've signed Roberto to a *long* term deal.

Anyway, as to why Toronto would want Baerga, the answer is, because he
used to play third, I guess.  They could put him back there, and somehow
I think the added offense would more than make up for Gruber's glove.

I have no idea why Cleveland would give Baerga up for this, let alone
Baerga AND Alomar.  I don't believe this rumor of yours.

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Mike Mussina 1993 AL Cy Young Winner
niepornt@phoenix.    |------------------------------------ 
   princeton.edu     | "I still believe in a place called Hope."
Clinton/Gore '92.  Don't stop thinking about tomorrow.
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:45:55 -0500 
From: Anuj Gupta <ag4i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Houston Protected List
	<1egr7qINNd8n@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>
Distribution: usa

Let, me explain to you all out there in net land why the Phillies whould
be the top pick to win the National League east in 1993.  First of all,
let's go over this monsterous lineup-
CF: Lenny - nothing more needs to be said - the average Joe Shmo knows
that if he stays healthy, he is going to at least hit .290, score 80-90
runs, and steal ate least 30-40 bases.

2B: Mariano Duncan - this guy is a flat out hustler - not only was he
one opf the league leaders in hits for most of the season, but he also
was one of the leaders, in doubles.  He can be counted on to produce at
least a .265-.275 average with 10-15 hr's, 70 rbi's and about 20-30
sb's.  And this constant production hides his sometimes suspect defense.

1B: Kruker -  last year was no fluke people - he can hit, he can play D,
and when his knees and back hurt, stick in Rickey Jordan who as a backup
will produce about 40-50 rbi's.

C:  Daulton - two years ago the Phils gave him an outrageous 3 million a
year for 1/2 of a good year.  But last year Lee Thomas showed that he
knew what he was doing.  Look for about 20-25 dingers accompanied by at
least 80 rbi's next year.

3B: Dave Hollins - Q: Name more than two 3rd baggers last year who had a
better year than Hollins - A: Sheffield and Pendelton.  That's it, in
his first real full season he is one of the NL's premier hitters and he
can only get better.  
Look for an average around .300 with about 24 hr's and about 80-90 rbi's.

LF: Wes Chamberlain - You know things are good when you have the ability
to bat who is capable of hitting 25 hr's and knocking in 70 runs a year,
and stealing a few bases along the way.  Although his D may not be the
greatest, his offense takes care of that.

RF: ? - Now this a fairly grey area, considering Murphy is basically
done.  But Lee Thomas has said that they will aggressively seek a power
hitting right fielder as a free agent.  Could a Joe Carter, Barry Bonds,
etc. be in the picture.  If that becomes the case, then obviously this
is the wrong spot in the order for the RF and this lineup will become
the best in baseball.  If not, then there are a number of fairly decent
hitters in the system including - Tom Marsh,  Tony Longmire, and maybe
even #1 draftee Chad McConnell.

SS:  Batiste, Juan Bell, Joe Millette, etc. - Take your pick, it dose'nt
really matter as long as they plat defense.  Why don't they stick
Morandini back ast his original position.  He can hit .270 and play the
field- I guess that's too easy a decision


Later - Look for the rest of the reason's why they will win, including
their now amazing starting rotation, and their suberb closer. Only on
the net can you get good stuff like this
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis)
Subject: Second Call - HOF Votes
Organization: University of Cincinnati, ECE Dept
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:44:31 GMT

This is the second call for ballots for the fourth net Hall of Fame vote.
Please read the voting rules below and submit to me your ballot by Friday,
December 4.  This message will be posted once more between now and then.

The Net Baseball Hall of Fame currently consists of:

Hank Aaron (2)		Ty Cobb (2)		Joe DiMaggio (3)
Lou Gehrig (1)		Walter Johnson (2)	Mickey Mantle (2)
Willie Mays (2)		Stan Musial (3)		Babe Ruth (1)
Mike Schmidt (3)	Honus Wagner (2)	Ted Williams (1)

			Branch Rickey (3)

The number in parentheses is the election in which the player was
chosen.

All other retired players (managers, owners, etc...) are eligible for
election.  The cutoff for election for players is 50%.  Once 25 players
are in, the percentage required for election will begin to increase until
50 are in, where it will be held at 75% forever after.  For non-players,
the cutoff is 50% until 10 are in.  From there it will begin to increase
until 20 are in, where it will be held at 75% forever after.

Voting Rules:

* At regular intervals, this message will be posted calling for
  ballots.  At this time, net readers may e-mail to me two lists,
  as follows:
  
  (1) A list (in alphabetical order) of anywhere from 0 to 10 players
	they believe worthy of our Hall of Fame.
  (2) A list (in alphabetical order) of anywhere from 0 to 4 names of
	other important figures in the history of the game.

  Note: These are considered two separate votes, but please e-mail
  them in the same message.  If you wish to vote in only one of the
  two categories, this is acceptable.

  My e-mail address is:

		rbd@thor.ece.uc.edu

  I will try to send a response to every voter acknowledging ballot
  receipt, but if my mailer can't contact yours, sorry.  If you want
  to post your ballot to r.s.bb to start arguments, go ahead; however,
  only ballots e-mailed directly to me will count in the voting.

* The voters are urged to vote responsibly for the players not
  currently in our Hall who they consider the "Greatest"
  players.  Admittedly, great is a subjective term, and since it
  is a Hall of Fame and Eddie Gaedel is famous, well... suffice
  to say that I personally will vote for Jimmie Foxx before I
  will vote for Eddie Gaedel.  It is my hope that you will be
  objective.  If you wish to vote for one or two personal
  favorites, fine.  But please don't send a ballot consisting
  entirely of ten players from one team, for example.  All
  ballots will be accepted, as I don't want to judge ballots
  as "fraudulent" or not.  But try to be reasonable!

* At least 25 voters must submit ballots in order for election
  results to stand.

* The deadline for this election is December 4, 1992.

Bob Davis		rbd@thor.ece.uc.edu
From: jhg8680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon  Hamkins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: does anybody know...
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:12:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bxruo5.Lyu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In reference to articles by
RVESTERM@vma.cc  and C M Kozierok    
duxbury@fraser.sfu.ca (Nancy Ann Duxbury) writes:

>   Yes...the catcher must not only be behind the plate when the
>pitcher delivers the ball; HE MUST ALSO BE IN THE CATCHER'S BOX WHEN
>THE PITCHER STARTS HIS DELIVERY. 

You are correct, more or less:

2.00  The CATCHER'S BOX is that area within which the catcher shall
stand until the pitcher delivers the ball.

4.03(a) The catcher shall station himself directly back of the plate.
He may leave his position at any time to catch a pitch or make a play
except that when the batter is being given an intentional base on
balls, the catcher must stand with both feet within the lines of the
catcher's box until the ball leaves the pticher's hand.  PENALTY:
Balk.

Minor nit-pick:
There's a signficant amount of time between when the pitcher starts his
delivery (what you said) to when the ball leaves the pitcher's hand
(the actual rule).

>   The rule is generally intended to avoid giving the catcher an
>unfair advantage on pitchouts and intentional walks (as well as
>unofficial protection for umpires :-).). It forces the pitcher to make
>an accurate throw to the outside part of the plate, and doesn't allow
>the catcher unlimited room to compensate for a wild pitch.

I'm not sure what you mean here.  First off, no catcher would want to
move out of the catcher's box before the delivery to prepare to catch a
pitchout.  Jeez, talk about giving it away!  Also, could the catcher
somehow gain an advantage on catching wild pitches by being allowed to
move out of the catcher's box before a pitcher delivers the ball?  I
don't think so.  How would he know where to move?

Besides, 4.03(a) says to me that if it's not an intentional walk, the
catcher can move out at any time to catch the pitch.

     ----Jon Hamkins  (hamkins@uiuc.edu)
         University of Illinios
         Urbana, IL
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: jints to stay
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:58:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pooh Corner Country Club -- A Planned Community

COP80196@UCF1VM.BITNET (Bill Laird) writes:
>Point: What "precedent" are you referring to. There has been a precedent
>for teams to be kept and teams to be sold and moved. Several people have
>brought up the precedent issue. What about the precedent to move two
>very successful teams from NY to CA???

The precedent that's kept a franchise from moving sinve 1973, when
Washington went to texas. The precendent that kept the giants from going to
Toronto, too.

-- 
            Chuq "IMHO" Von Rospach, ESD Support & Training (DAL/AUX)
                      Member, SFWA =+= Editor, OtherRealms
                chuq@apple.com | GEnie: MAC.BIGOT | ALink:CHUQ 

    I wanna drive the zamboni! I wanna drive the zamboni, yes I do.
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 17:32:35 EST
From: Ryan R Robbins <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Reason for dropped-3rd-strike rule?
Distribution: usa
 <1992Nov14.142255.21807@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
 <1992Nov14.191941.19821@athena.mit.edu> <BxtHy5.9sn@deshaw.com>

Is there a rule preventing a catcher from playing in the outfield?

Yes. The catcher must be in the catcher's box at the time of the
pitch.
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From: lynch@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Howard Lynch)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:57:25 GMT
Subject: Padres Expansion loses - not bad!
Organization: OCD IC MFG
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

Any other Padre fans glad they took Jerald Clark instead of Jose Melendez
in the first round?  I have been as big a Jerald Clark fan as there was,
but I'm a bigger Melendez (in middle relief only, please) fan.

Losing Painter and Fredrickson (who?) didn't bother me at all either.

Lynch "MOB"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: jdd@wheezer.wustl.edu (John DeHart)
Subject: Cardinals new "lifetime" contract offer to Ozzie
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:21:17 GMT

According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Cardinals have made a 
lifetime offer to Ozzie Smith. This is unconfirmed by the Cardinals.
The deal is:
	$3M for '93.
	$3M/year forever, as long as Ozzie has 400 ABs in the previous year
		and/or he passes a physical by an impartial doctor. It was
		unclear if he had to pass the physical each year or only in
		years when he had < 400 ABs or years when he ended the previous
		year with an injury.
	$200K/year for 6 years following his career for, geez what do they
		call it, some kind of service contract.

Is this typical for a "lifetime" contract?

Ozzie still seems to be looking for 2 guaranteed years. Other clubs seem
very willing to offer him that. Rumors have the Astros ready to offer him
$5.5M over 2 years. I still say the Cards should give him the two years.

A separate article on the same page reported unofficial financial numbers
for the Cardinals. I don't have the article to quote directly from but the
conclusion was that the Cards lost about $500K this past year. Now, of course,
that doesn't include the sudsidiary of Anheuser Busch that runs the parking
nor I think the one that runs the concessions (I'll have to double check the concessions
one but I'm sure of the parking one). The subsidiaries made millions.

John DeHart
jdd@arl.wustl.edu
Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 21:12:46 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: A TRUE RUMOR! Sandy Alomar for Pat Borders
 <1992Nov16.223816.28584@r-node.gts.org>

if this is true, the indians are idiots.  sure, borders is better than
alomar (sandy, that is), but he's not all that great.  but baerga for
lee? jeez, i hope the yankees bring wayne tolleson out of retirement
so they can trade him to the indians.

bob vesterman.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: dave@snitor.sni.ca (Dave Till)
Subject: The Last Word On Keith Mitchell
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Organization: Frustrated Roto Players, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:05:10 GMT

There's been some speculation lately regarding the true value of Keith
Mitchell.  Is he a great prospect, or is he the second coming of Brad
Komminsk?

I have the answer, because I know of a hidden factor.

In 1991, when Keith Mitchell was the hottest thing since sliced bread,
he was *not* in my rotisserie team's minor league protected list.

In 1992, when Keith Mitchell sucked rocks, he *was* in my roto team's
protected list.

I call this the Wombat Factor (tm).  It has also seriously damaged the
careers of Howard Johnson, Joe Magrane and a job lot of pitchers
named Robinson.  Randy Myers pitched like bat guano until I dropped him
this summer; then, of course, he became his old self.  (Argh.)

I may be the only person on the planet who is a worse GM than Lou Gorman.
(Then again, maybe not.  I would have protected Eric Wedge.)

Follow-ups to rec.sport.baseball.fantasy.

--Dave "my pitching staff has less depth than Colorado's" Till
  e-mail address:  dave@silver.sni.ca or dave@snitor.uucp
  "A virus is system software with no political power." -- Tom Wolfe (modified)
From: kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Rookie Status Question
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:13:19 GMT
Organization: Pitzer College

In article <1992Nov18.105729.60991@cc.usu.edu> slmdf@cc.usu.edu writes:

>Could someone tell me what gives a player rookie status? To be more exact,
>is Brian Jordan still considered a rookie?
>
No, he had 193 ABs last year.  The cutoff is 150 ABs or 50 IP.  There is 
also a "days on roster" minimum, which escapes me in my anger over ERIC 
WEDGE!

--Sparky
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: lsmith@pico.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Giants Sale Rejected 9-4
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:55:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.193107.2710@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>In article <74249@apple.apple.COM> chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin) writes:
>>snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>>
>>>The Giants, under the current ownership, are a poorly marketed team.
>>>Candlestick Park is a problem, but it's hardly the only reason attendance
>>>isn't what it could be.  I was reading a comment by one of the potential
>>>new owners that one of the goals would be better family marketing, so maybe
>>>there's hope.
>>
>>I'll disagree with this. The Giants, under current ownership, are marketed
>>as a traditional baseball team. That tact works in many markets, including
>>LA and Chicago.
>
>Well, I'll disagree with this.  I don't think "traditional" baseball
>marketing works in many markets at all, not even Chicago and LA.  What
>makes you think traditional baseball marketing (just throw open the doors,
>we're having a game tonight) works anywhere these days?  The Dodgers have
>never struck me as typical of traditional baseball marketing, nor the Cubs,
>and the White Sox haven't been that stunning an attendance success.  

I'd think the family approach to marketing would almost be a necessity.
The hardcore fans and the SDCNs who can get away from their terminals will 
go to a certain number of games no matter how you promote a team. The trick
is getting the occasional fan and family to come out to the game.

Considering the amount of flak there is about how much it costs to take
a family of four to a game, you really have to push to convince people 
they can come out to game and have a goodtime. Now, I'll bitch and whine
about the Great Tire Race and Music Trivia Quizes, but they don't keep 
me from going to games. On the other hand, a whining child who is bored
by the three hour plus game might keep a family from coming back. If the
teams give the families discounts on admission and junk to hold kids 
interests, then they can probably sell more tickets, especially when the
team isn't contending.

Of course, one factor that attracts families is the atmosphere at the
ball park. From past postings, I get the impression that Candlestick is
not a friendly place. (Disclaimer: I've never been there. Feel free to 
tell me I'm dead wrong.) Besides the weather, it sounds like it has 
problems with it's cleanliness/physical condition and rowdy fans. I
know in the past the Giants' management has taken steps towards more
fan control, but I'd guess you'd almost have to move out of the Stick
to really improve the atmosphere significantly. And that isn't likely
to happen.
--
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "I aint never seen the peanut before. Maybe 
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  Bugs just hired himself some new muscle. Don't
    Reynard and Tybert's   |  matter. Put him up against the wall with the
        Biggest Fan        |  rest."                _Mr Peanut in Chicago_
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