HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: martin@inf.rl.ac.uk (Martin Prime)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: sweaty sex
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:33:12 GMT


arnold writes:
> ....Sweat and Dean....

It is lucky Dino is a man who just *loves* to be spoken about!

My contribution on the topic of sweat and Dino involves his wonderful odour.

Dino has a delicious natural musky smell. This may be due to the body
changes that result from a high level of exercise. Certainly, he does
not disguise his natural smell, possessing a hatred for perfumed cleaning
products.

Close to climax his smell changes. The physiological changes with Dean
are noticeably dynamic and intense. Associated with the changes in hormone
and endorphin level in the bloodstream, is a release of pheromones. 
I find Dean's smell a useful indicator of climatic state. Using olfaction
as a way of keeping someone on the edge of climax is "interesting" for
technique ;^}

Unfortunately I have not (yet) found anyone else that I can play with
in this way. Their odour changes are not as intense and are only noticeable
after the event.

Another related point is that Dino and I end up with a distinctive smell
which Dino calls "sex with Martin" but that is another story and another
mixing of oils.

I have not noticed much discussion in this area on motss. It is indicative
that I no longer wear after-share. There is no way you can use the
detection mode if the person uses strong perfumes.

         Your Martin

--
           ..He likes his men strong but his tea weak..

Martin Prime,				JANET:	martin@inf.rl.ac.uk
Rutherford Appleton Laboratory,		UUCP:	..!mcsun!uknet!rlinf!martin
Chilton, Didcot, Oxon, England OX11 0QX.TEL: +44 235 446555
From: foye@unagi.cis.upenn.edu (Rob Foye)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: a queer card from the state of ohio
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:47:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.192552.4786@cis.ohio-state.edu>, amz@cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
|> so now i have a queer card, a *laminated* queer card even, from the
|> state of ohio.  no matter what i do here, you can't take that away
|> from me.

Well, if you get caught speeding, a nice man with a square jaw, mustache,
short dark hair, wearing reflective sunglasses, a tight uniform, leather
boots, leather gloves, and a belt with nifty gadgets like handcuffs and a
night stick might be able to talk you out of it.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 19:05:59 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug18.170149.27264@wam.umd.edu> <l92jo3INNi4d@mizar.usc.edu>

adolphson cluelessizes:
>Why are you taking this so *seriously*?
>Jeez.

"Why do you faggots take AIDS so seriously?  Jeez!"

"Why do you women take rape so seriously?  Jeez!"

"Why do you blacks/latinos/asians take racism so seriously? 
Jeez!"

Now, the proposal in question wasn't as important as AIDS, rape
or racism; but your cluelessness is of just the same variety.
 
() Where all men think alike, no one thinks very much.
()      -- Walter Lippmann
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[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 22 Aug 92 18:25:19 GMT

fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
>And what else motivates 'flamboyant gays (*)' according to you? Or is this all? >Refrase: "Do you believe that 'flamboyant gays (*)' act 'like that' totally or

In my original I forgot to place a note at the end of the page.

								FJ!!

(*) I'd like to make it clear that the term 'flamboyant gay' is not a term
I came up with.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:51:07 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <64292@cup.portal.com> <1w!ngm_.jfh@netcom.com>

Jack Hamilton writes:
>The fact that you've been behaving like a vicious queen of the 
>>worst kind for no apparent reason, to someone who hardly even
>>begins to merit it. 
>
>The reason was apparent to me (although I wouldn't respond the way Arne did).
>Perhaps you're just missing something.

I wasn't thrilled with the original posting myself; but it
certainly didn't deserve the spray of venom it got from Arne.

>And he certainly begins to merit it.

This doesn't excuse Arne's original posting in the slightest.

>I wonder if you read either Arne's
>postings or "Lovegod"'s postings carefully.

Yes, I did -- though I have to concede I had to go back and read
Arne's original example of stupidity once the storm broke, since
it's my habit to skip his writings.

Here's a quote for Arne:
 
() Cynics are only happy in making the world as barren for
() others as they have made it for themselves.
()      -- George Meredith
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[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ba.motss
From: cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe)
Subject: Re: Why Benson Hedges #2 gay cigarette?
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:26:32 GMT

Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:

>The aug 13 Wall Street Journal says that cigarette companies are
>targeting gays after they found out that Benson & Hedges is the
>#2 cigarette for gays even though it's nowhere near the top ten
>for all men. Says Overlooked opinions found 27% of gays smoked,
>about the same as 25% overall by other studies. Is the popularity
>of B&H from the fact that it was marketed as a woman's cigarette,
>and a large number of gay smokers are effeminite? Some claim that
>gays are no more likely to be effeminate than non-gays, but I
>don't trust that claim, especially with the gay brain stuff that
>says some of these behaviors are hard-wired. ( I don't buy that 
>all gays are that way - gay seems to encompass a wide variety of
>non-typical sexual categories)

>Anyways, thought you folks would find it interesting.

Hmmmm....could it be that gay men smoke more, proportionately, than do
straight men and thereby make a good target market?


Colburn Eigen             H|u> = E|u>
From: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: mandatory service (was Re: Metzenbaum introduces Senate bill to end military ban)
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:38:47 GMT
Reply-To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH


In a previous article, drogers@riacs.edu (David Christopher Rogers) says:

>    Message-ID: <1992Aug13.042650.7512@news.ysu.edu> 
>    From: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) 
>
>    >>Instead of drafting anyone, let's keep things as they are, an 
>    >>all-volanteer service.  In this way, we can assure that 
>    >>these things never happen.
>
>There are undoubtedly some advantages to an all-volunteer force,
>but there are clearly moral implications of using a mercinary rather
>than a civil force in war.  Crudely put, rich people get to buy
>poorer people to die for them, and have less worries about starting a war.  
>"Volunteer" does not absolve it of issues.
>Me, I'd feel safer if ALL people, sexes, ages, and incomes had some 
>risk of dying in a war.  Especially if people in our political system
>had spouses/children/selves carrying the same risk.  Guess how many
>children of congresscritters went to Iraq?  Better guess low.
>

Indeed?  What makes you think things would be any different if we had a 
universal draft?


-- 
*...your Friendly Neighborhood Atheist // "Peter...PETER!!  I can see    *
*      the KelleyMan:Kelley L. Miller // your house from here!"          *    
*                  ae642@yfn.ysu.edu // Jesus Christ, from the cross     *
****************Know God...No peace.  No God...Know peace.****************
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:32:16 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: world		




(feminine gay name)

should have been:

"name of a feminine gay"




Typing for speed and I sacrificed clarity.  

Started a new micro-thread, though; so all it all it wasn't a waste.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: AMD/Austin,Texass?
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:47:52 GMT

Hi folks...

I was wondering if anyone would be so kind as to let me or the
usa know how wonderful it is to work for AMD in Austin, TX...
and how it is to live and play in Austin.  Since it is the
State Capitol, are there a lots of g/l political groups which
are active?  What about social and support groups?  Does
Austin have g/l civil rights?  Does Texas have a right to work
law which prohibits being fired for anything other than job
performance.  I know Texas doesn't have civil rights at the
State level... are they close?

Thanks!
Tom

-- 
Tom Barrett (TDBear)    tdbear@tandon.com                 voice 805-378-6207
Tandon Corporation      tdbear@p6.f1006.n102.z1.fidonet.org fax 805-529-8895
Sr. HW Design Engineer  "War is Peace, No is Yes, And We're All Free!" 
[The views expressed herein may not be shared by the organization of origin]
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Deeper Master!  Take it Bitch!
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:17:43 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) wrote:
>Why, I believe you're right.  Oh Jesus, oh fuck me, oh fuck
>me Jesus!

Geez!  And I didn't think that picture was very flattering at all.  First
Nelson finds me attractive, and now this.  I'm honored.

>(Think of it as a prayer answered.)

Definitely.  I guess a quick trip to Madison is in order.

Conceptual Messiah.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Whizzzzzzz ( was Re: Introduction)
Date: 18 Aug 1992 13:00:34 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug17.233913.2685@nmt.edu> 
jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam) writes:
> In article <l8vt7hINNfb@mizar.usc.edu> 
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

I wrote the French lyrics to Cole Porter's "Find Me a
Primitive Man" ("I've no desire to be alone / With Rudy
Vallee's megaphone") from memory.  I remembered one of
the lines like this:

> >> >>   Pour regeler mon chauffage centrale.

Someone *very* picky pointed out that "centrale" should
be "central".  So I checked out:

> >_The Complete Lyrics of Cole Porter_, edited by Robert
> >Kimball (Knopf, 1983).  "Find Me a Primitive Man" is
> >on page 85, and there the line is printed:
>
> >    Pour regeler mon chauffage centrale.
>
> Wait a minute!  In both lines we see "regeler", 

Yes.  I correctly remembered two misspellings.

>                                                  and I truly hope it 
> is a typo as it means "refreeze" - "to refreeze my central heating"
> not something I think I'd seek.  

Oh, honey, you haven't been in this tropical heat wave 
we've been suffering through for the last week and a half. 
I'd pay to have my central heating *removed*.

Arne
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Redefining masculinity
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:58:48 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, pieter@cs.caltech.edu (Pieter Hazewindus) wrote:
>For guys, there are many names that are considered effeminate or gay:
>Byron, Miles, Guy, Percy, Bruce, Cyril, Neville, Maxwell, Christopher,
>Leslie, Gene, Dana, Marion, Hillary, Francis, Cecil, Clarence, Wendell,
>and any diminutive name (Stevie, Bobby) are a dead giveaway.  If this
>were only true, wouldn't it make life a lot simpler?

The list is interesting.  I'd have to add Mark (or Marc) to that list.
I know about twenty marks (no puns about german coinage please), every one
of whom are gay.  I've yet to meet one who wasn't.  I've always found
this a little odd.

Speaking of Marc, I don't know if he's reading, but thanks to Marc Frajola
for his hospitality in picking me up from the airport and letting me stay
at his beautiful loft apartment in downtown Portland the first night of
the con, and also for his entertaining of the crowd in Riverside Park that
last night.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Why are parents like that?
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:33:10 GMT

I am not sure if this is the place to post this. However, after reading
some of Lovegod's comments, and a recent post from someone who has to go
back home, I am asking again: Why are parents like that?
It seems that parents are like that everywhere. It is like if they 
thought: I know what happiness is, so, I will make my children go through
that way.
Then, they try to imposse their view on their children.

I do not have children. And one of the reasons is that I am affraid that I
will be with them like my parents were with me. Not that they were that 
bad, I really appreciate a lot what they gave me. However, they still tried
to pressure me into doing what they thought was right.
As I said before: I believe that parents shpuld show to they children all 
possible ways, and they should also try to help their children understand
what is behind each choice. BUT, the choice has to be made by their
children, and not by the parents.
How many of us would be here if we would have allowed our parents to pressure
us?


AAP

PS: I also believe that parents whould respect their children desitions and
support them, even if they disagree. Their children are individuals who
have their own life.
Of course, it has nothing to do with the common question: What if they choose
to be serial killers?
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: folks, cemetery plots and marriage (was, the "oh" experience)
Date: 13 Aug 92 06:31:39 GMT
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <joelp.713659614@cs.man.ac.uk> joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project) writes:
>markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey), the Great Rescuer, writes:
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I think that Todd gets this distinction.  After all, he is the one who
treaded (very cold) water while parts of his body turned blue and went
into hiding.  I merely get brownie points for working vigorously on
inproving your circulation.   :-)

>>Me: You see, Mother, I am gay, so there probably aren't going to be any
>>    women in my love life in the near or distant future.
>
>>Mom: Oh!
>
>Wow....  Is this really how you came out to your mom, or am I misreading this?

Yes, this is it.  I think that part of what makes this a good 'oh'
experience is that a neighbor was over for dinner so she really couldn't
lose it while talking to me on the phone.

>Can't be buried?...  Why, by whose rules?  I recall something about RCs not
>being too keen on burying suicide victims on holy ground....  Otherwise they
>bury other sinners, don't they?

I am not sure how this works.  I suspect that I could still get into the
grave, so to speak, except that I dropped Catholicism a long time ago.  I
have an 'in' in the church whom I will ask.  One of her greatest fears is
that we won't be able to be buried all together in the family plot.

>Lord, I get tired of *not* being asked the ``when are you going to get
>married'' question, if only for the possible responses it suggests.  

Well, now I get to respond differently, should that question come up again.
When we get together for Xmas, we have this tradition of telling the
family what we really want in the next year.  It would be fun to be able
to say "meet a nice man and settle down".

--mark
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: musical finale
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 11:28:01 GMT

 
Steve Dyer (dyer@spdcc.com) requests: 

> > On the other hand, donations to a suitable charity 
> > and a performance of the Durufle _Requiem_ in my 
> > honor will be much appreciated.
 
Jess Anderson (anderson@macc.wisc.edu) prefers:

> I'd like Britten's "War Requiem" (the 
> whole thing) for my send-off, please.

Mahler's Eighth Symphony, Part I, I think.

--jns  [obviously, a question BBC left off the survey]
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sexual attraction
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:59:01 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Robert Coren writes:
>As far as I can tell, I don't have a "type". It seems to me that the
>men I find casually attractive ("gee, he's cute" or even "Mmm, I'd
>like to take *that* home with me") are very various as far as physical
>characteristics go. I know people who have more-or-less strict
>criteria as to what they find "attractive" -- has to have a beard;
>mustn't have a beard; tall; thin; muscular; etc. To me, this just
>shuts off possibilities.

I'm glad you phrased this in terms of your own experience; I've
been in the unpleasant situation of being lectured by some rude
twit about how my tastes in men are "limiting" me.  I, of course,
then told him to go get stuffed into a garbage disposal.

But I have noticed that people who don't have strong "physical
type" attractions don't really grasp the way they work for those
of us who DO, and it's often expressed something like the way it
is above.

Of course, I cannot speak for anyone else, but to me all those
males who don't fit my template aren't opportunities at all to
begin with. And, to possibly turn up the heat, I find the
suggestion that some have made to me (Robert did not) that I
somehow "chose" my type, and that if I *really* wanted to, I
could be attracted to some other "type."

Sound familiar?  It's just like a fundie trying to argue you
out of being gay, and at least as far as I'm concerned, it's
just as invalid for all the same reasons.

As I've mentioned before here, I was *powerfully* drawn to a
couple of my 4th grade teachers who were what I would describe
now as very much "my type."  This wasn't a "choice," and given
how early the first manifestation was, it certainly had nothing
to do with gay culture.

I've been known to infuriate some acquaintances who try to point
out what they describe as a "hot guy" -- and he's almost
literally invisible to me, because he's a template mismatch.

(Of course, the utter dearth of descriptive power of phrases
like "hot guy" is an issue unto itself.... not to mention the
issues involved in the assumptions associated with their use.)

So: however it happened, I've been wired up or had firmware
installed that sets me after Bears, and nothing but. And no, I
have *no* regrets over what I'm supposedly "missing out" on.
 
()   *********    *****    **
()  *************************.*
() ****** *********** ** *******o
() ******* ********* **** ****`-
() ******* ********* *****
()  ****** ********** ****
() ## *****  ***** ##  ****
() ### *****      ###   ****
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() 
()    Cogito Ursus Sum!
()      -- Dave Lankford, "Bearhunter"
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[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Huntsville? Hmmmm.... (was Re: Introduction)
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:57:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.41747
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

Keywords: 

>
>Oh puhleeze!  Surely the Motss Grand Faggot has never ventured to Huntsville,
>Alabama?!

Jeff, dear, you should know that if nothing else, the Motss Grand Faggot gets around.

Smooches to Arne-dear.

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Disproving homophobia
Date: 18 Aug 1992 11:34:26 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug18.175103.16357@amhux2.amherst.edu> 
twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
> In article <rc9mv3l.jfh@netcom.com> 
> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>
> >What's the equivalent proof that someone isn't homophobic?
>
> What's the "proof" that someone is?

If he refuses to kiss me on the mouth in a social setting.

Arne
From: harris@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Ian McKellan
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:16:33 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

Ian McKellan (I don't believe his knighthood is one in which it is
proper to refer to him as Sir, though I may be wrong) came out, at the
urging of Armistead Maupin (who dedicated his fourth "Tales of the
City" novel, _Babycakes_ to him) and his lover Terry Anderson, to
protest the anti-gay rights bill passed by Parliament (which bears a
startling resemblance to the one being considered in Oregon).

He has used his current tour as vehicle for his activism, so it is
hardly surprising that he should keep mentioning it on the Leno show.
There was an NPR interview with McKellan a few weeks ago, and they
actually extended its airtime to a second day, which was exclusively
devoted to his ideas about coming out and gay youth.

He is a very passionate and articulate speaker on gay rights, and I
think we should be glad to have him speaking out.

Trey Harris
Stranger in a Strange Thread
From: gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Roseanne and Tom Arnold
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:49:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: damon.GANDALF.92Aug19224921
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University

Speaking of which, does anybody have an address for Roseanne and Tom Arnold?
I want to write them to say how much it means to me that they would go out
of their way to fight for gay rights... and it sure seems to be that they're
going out of their way!

			Tom
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: Sarcasm
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:19:10 GMT

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>Well I've already blown it once this week, so I better make sure..
>I was not serious when I called Steve a "fucking bigot". It was an
>attempt at sarcasm, poking fun at various other threads going on on
>motss right now.

Maybe in addition to an interobang (?!) character, we need a sarcasm flag.

Let's use some little-used character; say like ~  (Now what's that called?)
Now, if *everybody* plays along, we can all be happy.  :-)    
(Arne, this is your cue.)

>Nelson, who really needs to practice the bitchy queen thing.

Jeff, for whom it comes naturally.