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From: U33963@UICVM.BITNET (Little Inquisitor)
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Date: 15 Oct 92 00:07:29 GMT
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Mark: Some of us don't wear out *most* of our vinyl because we have accumulated
 so much of it that we don't listen to virtually any of it!  It's a cautionary
tale full of mind-boggling implications: as best as I can tell, as Yogi Berra
might well have said, if you don't stay out of the thrifts and 2nd hand stores,
you'll end up with so much vinyl that you'll never have the time, energy or
inclination to hear most of it -- and yet we keep buying it. Go figure.

         Renato "Glad to live 3 blocks from a wonderful high turnover thrift
where I also buy my clothes" Barahona
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Subject:      Re: VINYL Records
Records are still handy in that you can buy so many of them 2nd hand
and for about a sixth of the price. If you end up with enough you
don't wear them out that quick because you have so many to listen to.

mark
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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:02:55 EDT
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Classical Music Poll - part III

On Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:08:03 EDT <MMORSE@YORKVM1> said:
>Dear Ken,
>  Sure; gotta make it quick, since I've got a gig tonight. The operatic
>stage not only produced most of the major innovations in form, especially
>harmonic technique, it created the models for form, melodic sound ideal,
>and rhetorical organization used in more "intimate" genres such as chamber

Yeah, that's what I don't quite buy.  The sonata & concerto don't owe anything
to opera, nor the suite, nor of course the mass.  You can make a good case
for the symphony; I understand it derives from the overture.  But the other
forms either predate opera or develop independently of it as far as I know.
And wouldn't you want to class Bach and maybe Telemann and a few others as
major harmonic innovators?  No operas there.

>ps the main hyperbole also stands; it is hard to find works of the sustained
>musical logic of _Orfeo_, _Don Giovanni_, _Tristan_, _Otello_, and _Lulu_
>elsewhere, if for no other reason than other forms do not demnd the same
>scale of concentration..

Oh?  Not Bach masses?  Not the 19th century symphony?  Not the odd Requiem
or two?  Funny--these always require *more* concentration from me than opera.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:32:29 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: New Stevie Ray

On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:54:56 CDT Paul Heroy said:
>The new Stevie Ray Vaughan live CD hit the stores yesterday. I think the
>title is 'In the Beginning - Live' and something about 'cuts from the
>first radio broadcast'. My local CD store is holding a copy for me and says
>they're going fast - has anyone heard this yet? I'm anxious for some good
>live SRV, especially since I heard his previous live recording several
>years ago and was mostly underwhelmed. If this set isn't so great, I may
>go ahead and try to get a copy of the Mega Rare Trax 3 CD bootleg, which I
>hear is available for around $50 from a place in Germany.(I've heard this
>is really great, both musically and sonically.)

I've been waiting on this for awhile have you seen the live at elmacomba video
it's awesome. Srv was incredible, but now that i'm a heavy metal fan i'm not
sure i'll like him as much :-)......L.'metal-head'W.
From: loj@cae.wisc.edu (Lo Jeffrey)
Subject: Re:      live King Crimson
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 8 Oct 92 10:51:38 CDT

In article <ALLMUSIC%92100723260944@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET writes:
>>From:         Ilia <CC29@IONA.BITNET>
>
>>+ About K.C. concert albums: I heard only "USA" and the live recording
>>in Amsterdam. Is there anything else?
>
>
>There is a videotape of the Belew/Levin King Crimson in Japan.
>
>John McIntyre
>Physics - Astronomy Dept
>Michigan State University

Live in Japan is also available on a Japanese import laser disk with
much better sound (the videotape distorts during the louder passages)
and two extra tracks (Waiting Man and Discipline).  I think the video
tape is out of print.

There is another out of print videotape from the Beat tour (Live in Japan
is from Three of a Perfect Pair) called The Noise.  It is one hour long
and has kinda fuzzy video quality and hissy audio but really good
performances.

Jeff Lo
loj@cae.wisc.edu
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Date: 7 Oct 1992 14:01:33 GMT
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In a previous article, MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET (Mike Masuda) says:

>On the subject of King Crimson,

>I think their last three albums
>Discipline
>Beat
>Three of a Perfect Pair
>are killer albums.  Too bad they are really short compared to a
>regular cd.

  You really think this about _Three of a Perfect Pair_?  Ewww. I'm only
hoping the new incarnation of Crimson doesn't decide to pick up where that
one left off. It'd be like _Union_ was for Yes, wouldn't it?  ;)
  I do regret that Bruford isn't going to be asked to play in the new KC.
He and Fripp got into some kind of tiff, and so Jerry Marotta is rumored
to be the first choice for drummers.

>Their first album is truly incredible for its dynamic range and
>complexity in mood.

  Absolutely. If I were playing the "list-your-favorites" game, this one
would surely be there. I'd grab that if the house were on fire.

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: Not fade away
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:39:19 GMT

Holdsworth's only hope is to get on the european festival circuit.
I hate to say it.  If I knew any other way, I wouldn't be here.

You know, all this corporate downsizing thing going on, I wonder what
form it would take in the music business.  The thing is, a band like
Holdsworth should be able to make good quality records for little money.
I understand the album Power Tools, (Frisell, Shannon Jackson, Melvin
Gibbs) only cost $2000 to make.  That means at least in terms of the
production you can make albums by yourself.  

The problem is with distribution and airplay.  That is another
story, though.  Serious people know they have to go the mail order route
to get what you want, but you won't know what you want from a magazine
ad.  Radio airplay is a closed scene.  Then there is MTV.

Videos will never be that cheap, and it appears for a large segment of
the population, people are watching videos more than they are listening.
How good does Holdsworth look dancing with someone wearing a boa
constrictor?

So the only thing left for you to do, n.n. is become a music teacher and
brainwash the youth of america, brain wash them so they learn to listen.  
as long as there is no house-of-un-american-activies-because-it-isn't-big-
business, no one will suspect you.  ( i trust you have read my book ? )
If only you had a good haircut, you they probably would give you an hour
show on MTV.

Jeff
From: CC29@IONA.BITNET (Ilia)
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Subject: Marillion
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:25:18 GMT
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Bob T. writes:

>What do the rest of you "progressive" fans think about Marillion? Ilia,
>do you think they borrowed a bit too much from Genesis?

Well, as I mentioned before, I am only a dilettate. You, know listening
to music in Russia is not an easy habit. You can't go to a store and say
'Can I get a new Marillion CD?' You just can't. Anyway, I only heard one
album, I think their second one. It was a couple years ago and at that
time the only "progressive" band I knew was (guess who?) Genesis. So,
obviously, Marillion just had to sound like Genesis for my ears. But
then again, when I heard Gentle Giant for the first time, they also
sounded a bit like Genesis to me (what a dummy I am!). Of course, in
case of Gentle Giant this impression was gone after the second album.
In case of Marillion there was never a second try. What would you advise
as one?

BTW, you mentioned the 'lack of heart' in the music of Yes and ELP.
Well, things like lack of heart are very subjective, but I don't think
you can apply the same criterium to what those bands did in their early
and late years. I mean, _Time And a Word_ or _Close to the Edge_ are way
far from things like _Big Generator_. I saw a videotape of a concert
that Yes gave in the early 70's. Actually, presence of "heart" was
more evident than technical skills (which surprised me a lot - I always
thought of them as of a rather "skillful" band). I guess, when you get
older, your heart gets busy doing things other than music. Oh, well!

            Ilia.
From: au535@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Dagn)
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Subject: Airplay for DEMOS
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:24:37 GMT
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 Anyone with DEMO tapes/pressings that would like airplay

 please contact me....

 I do a Radio programme here in Sydney Australia and also

 play at some Raves/Clubs/etc.

 

 e-mail: u8912548@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au

         or au535@cleveland.Freenet.Edu

 

 or by snail mail:

 

 Michael Dagn,

 19/59 Whaling Road.,

 North Sydney, 2060

 NSW, Australia

 

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e-mail: u8912548@csdvax.csd.unsw.oz.AU   or   usr6264a@tso.uc.edu

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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:02:00 CDT
From:         MIKE VAN VONDEREN <VANVMIKE@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Subject:      New Order

Date sent:  12-OCT-1992 14:59:08

Hey everyone,

	I was on this list last year for a while, but I had to get out
because the mail was simply too much.  Anyway, I just wanted to know if
anyone knew anything about a new New Order album.  I've been hearing rumors
of a new album coming out at about the same time the new Electronic album
is coming (whenever that is).  If anyone knows anything at all about this,
or just loves New Order, right me back, PLEASE!

Michael Van Vonderen - University of Wisconsin Oshksosh
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
              Bitnet - VANVMIKE@OSHKOSHW.BITNET
            Internet - VANVMIKE@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
           Last shot - VONDERENM@VAXC.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
      Very last shot - RHIS16@BART.MIO.UWOSH.EDU
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:40:34 MEZ
From:         Paul Hosken <RMCB@DLRVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Blowzabella

  This weekend I got hold of the CD 'Folk Heritage II' and was very
impressed by some of the tracks. The CD is a sampler containing tracks
from various artists on the Topic label (english trad. & contemporary
folk music). There were two tracks that I found really good, namely
Blowzabella's _Spaghetti Panic_ (from the album _Vanilla_) and
Patrick Street's _Music For A Found Harmonium_ (from the album _Irish
Times_). Does anyone on the net know anything about either of these two
groups, what the albums are like, of any other albums by them, or any
other useful info. I found the Blowzabella track particularly
amazing - a weird mixture of jazzy brass and folk (a bit like if
Pigbag were to try and play the Captain Pugwash Theme!)

Paul
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Subject: Re: Mexican Music Question
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:13:00 GMT
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Hi:
   I was really amazed when I read that you did listen to one of my favourits
prehispanic remakes album.
   The album is't called: "A la izquierda del colibri", it's played by Jorge
Reyes (the only mexican that plays the original prehispanic instruments with
modern synths). He has many recording of this type, and recordings with the
normal instruments.
   If you want, I can look for it or any other recording; and if you want me
I can send it to you. Please let me know. I'm a fan of Jorge Reyes.


Hector Diaz
AD81095@UDLAPVMS

Puebla-Mexico
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:43:15 TSI
From:         UMIT BAYKARA <BMUMIT@TRITU.BITNET>

Hi everyone,
I want to know if there are other people on this list who knows about Cardiacs,
or is a fan of this extraordinary group.All I know is that they are an English
group.:)
I have 4 of their songs including Loosefish Scapegrace which is my best choice.

I would like to know the members of this group,their discography,and their
recent works.
Thanks in advance....

                           UMIT BAYKARA
                           Istanbul Technical University
                           Computer and Control Eng.Dept.
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:57:09 EDT
From:         RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject:      Buckwheat

I was at the famous El Mocambo club Friday night to catch one of the kings of
Bayou music, Buckwheat Zydeco. Great show...His backing band was "The Ils Sont
Partis Band" and at the start of each set they played a few bluesy tunes. One
of them was called (I think?) "High Heeled Sneakers" (I'm almost sure I heard
SRV do a cover of this live ??). Had many of us boppin' pretty good.

Buckwheat would then come out and wail on his acordion. Did a fantastic version
of "Ma 'Tit Fille". I almost shuffled out of my shoes...He had a lot more blues
rhythms and hooks in his music than I would've thought (could've been mostly
due to the band). I guess a pretty good starter kit for "Cajun" style music
would be _The Big Easy_ soundtrack.

Hoping to catch The Screaming Trees tomorrow night...

Bob T
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:53:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      re: Curved Air

>From:         EJCLAUS@INDSVAX1.BITNET

>        Last week a couple people mentioned the band Curved Air; I have
>never heard their music, but I remember reading somewhere that Stewart
>Copeland (an excellent drummer) or Andy Summers was in Curved Air before
>The Police.

It was Stewart Copeland who was in Curved Air, playing on their last
few albums.  Andy Summers served a stint with Eric Burdon before Police.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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Date: 11 Oct 92 15:17:30 GMT
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>In response to Rev Dave Hall's question "Why  do we chastise people who
>do [speak out politically]," I honestly do not know.  If you want music
>with a message, a clear message only hindered by the fact that it IS a message
>and people don't seem to like messages nowadays, get  your friends to buy the
>Indigo Girls' RITES OF PASSAGE album.  Heck, buy any of their albums.  Their
>music is brilliant, their lyrics are powerful, and relatively few people buy
>their music.  For the most consequential album in at least 20 years not to go
>gold yet (it's been on the shelves since 12 May) is truly a testament to the
>lack of intelligence among mass society.  I'll be more that happy to talk
>with anyone at length about the IG's music and their message.
>
>Julie Meloni, Univ. of Kentucky
>JCMELO00@UKCC.UKY.EDU

Julie,
    It's great to know that there are other people out there who appreciate
the music of the Indigo Girls.  While I must confess that I have not
purchased "Rites of Passage" yet, (I worked on an island all summer, no
music store) I think that the Indigo Girl's music is some of the most
powerful and moving music I have heard in a long time.  Anytime you want to
talk Indigo Girls, let me know.

                                Jeremy K. Heilman
                                jkh2001@andy.bgsu.edu
"Castles made of sand melt into the sea eventually" - Hendrix
From: DERLECT@CLEMSON.BITNET (EdD tHe MaDd)
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Subject: AlL MuSiC ReUnIoNs ?
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:22:00 GMT
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Salutations! and HEY?

     When is the next reunion Day?
       This place is dull
     Dreary and Grey
       Stuck in a Lull
     Change I need, 'tis the only way...

        A road trip would fill
          the quest of the bill
        and truely allay
          the daily mental fray:

        Dealing with dullards and Lackwits
          whining 'bout haveing mental shits
            (Me-thinks you get the gist of it)
              brings one to rage in shaking fits

      Soon,'Tis, needs must I go
       Seeds of fate and chance to sow
         Into the land of warrior road
       I'll Bring my luck, you know I must-
      The Icons of the Gods I trust:

            A Radar device -
              a ticket, 'twill
                          hopefully slice

            My map Of the States
               Cerca '61,
                          need I update?

            A Blanket to warm
               the chill from My bones
                  when stopping to sleep
                    at those road-side homes

            My Jacket and Shades, dark and black
               to turn assaulting wind
                 and cut glare attack

            A pistol, with pop
               so bad guys will stop
                 to consider the ill
                   of eating lead pill

            Tons o' tapes
               of the best and the late
                 to fill the time
                   of an idle mind...

      Need I have more?
         Tell legend and lore
           when/where will it be
             I am ready for thee...

And now an aside,
            if you will abide...
      Tell me dear Friends(or fiends)
        of these posting sends:
      We know now who post
        the voluminous most,
      But,when all is said
        Who indeed is most read?

      Who are the ones
        you pick to read
      irreguardless of
        the subject seed?

       My votes are Carol, the canookie on fire
       Michael Lenertz the Drummer of ire
      and Woj, and Gaj, N.N., Marco too
        and even ruxie(holding nose, P.U.)

       These are the one's I count on to see
         even when I know their not looking for me

        So tell me, one and all,
          Who do you read?
        When eve' is dark in Fall
          Who is your mead...?

                                    EdD.
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Date: 16 Oct 92 18:41:08 GMT
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>And I subscribe to the
>theory that Nirvana's popularity was the result of a carefully orchestrated
>campaign promulgated by Polygram in collusion with MTV. It was something MTV
>had to prove, that they could break an allegedly difficult alternative band
>("break" in the sense of "make popular to a much wider audience").

  I'd like to respectfully disagree.  Aggressive marketing may have
turned Nirvana into a monster (they all pulled together as a team,
as it were) but that alone was not responsible for their success.
Y'all may spit on my judgement after this, but when I first started
hearing Nirvana hype, I was determined to avoid the band.  I didn't
listen to radio much, and I never watch MTV anyhow.  But I did hear
this song once or twice that I thought was good.  It was weeks before
I connected it with "Smells Like Teen Spirit."

  (I've still never seen the video, though some friends bought
the Weird Al tape, and "Smells Like Nirvana" has got to be one
of the funniest videos I've ever seen.)

                                -Tim
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:11:43 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: loosing the fire

On Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:48:00 EST <MCINTYRE@MSUPA> said:
>That's one of the "features" of the old analog synthesizers I use:
>it is impossible to play a piece precisely the way you played it before.
>Analog definately means living on the edge.

I don't want to start a debate here (honestly), but you just can't beat the
sound of Analog. I know CD's are great for numerous reasons, but a good
Turntable and quality vynyl just can't be beat, the sound is so much
warmer i dreaded bying a cd player (probally because i have a Linn TT)
but now i'm getting used to it.....L.W.
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:39:55 PDT
From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Epic deput albums

> o Frank Zappa - Hot Rats

    He'd done a whole bunch of albums with the Mothers of Invention prior to
    this... I believe their first was _Freak Out_, which certainly belongs on
    any of these lists.

> o Niel Young - *forgotten the title*

    _Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere_

> o Rolling Stones - Out of Our Heads (was this their first?)

    Nope. I think it was _The Rolling Stones... NOW!_  And _12X5_, their
    "Chicago blues" album, also preceded _Out Of Our Heads_.

> o Television - Marque Moon

    DEFINITELY!

> o Van Morrison - Astral Weeks

    He had one before this. Forget the title, but it had "Brown-Eyed Girl"
    on it. He'd also made a few albums as lead singer for Them.

> o Little Feat - Dixie Chicken *was this their first?*

    No, it was their *third*. _Little Feat_ was first, followed by the
    classic _Sailin' Shoes_.

> o Madonna - True Blue ***yes it IS a good album - & I'm no Madonna fan!***

    I agree it's good but it's like her fifth album... I believe the first
    was called simply _Madonna_ (had "Borderline" on it, still IMHO her best).

David

I fear this topic will generate as many posts as the 'One-Hit Wonder' and
'Rain Song' deals did.
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