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From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: `alternately' vs `alternatively' and also `momentarily'
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:35:02 GMT
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In article <RICHARD.92Apr16133139@bilbo.harlqn.co.uk>, richard@harlqn.co.uk (Richard Brooksby) writes:
|> rabson@oxford.ac.uk (David Rabson) wrote:
|> 
|> > The use of "alternate" for "alternative" is not American.  It is
|> > just wrong.
|> 
|> How, in general, do Americans indicate alternation as opposed to
|> choice if they have (mis)used the word `alternately' to indicate the
|> latter?
|> 
|> Similarly, how does an American say `for a moment' rather than `in a
|> moment' if not using `momentarily'?  Does `momentary' retain its
|> original meaning?  If so, how do Americans feel about the discrepancy
|> between `momentary' and `momentarily'?
|> 
|> How does an American indicate regularity as opposed to normality.  To
|> me `regular' means at equal time spacing or with regular shape?  (I
|> can't think of another word for `regular' in the latter example, which
|> is partly why I'm asking!)
|> 
|> These are genuine queries.  I want to know how Americans express the
|> concepts of the words that they've lost.  Are there new words to take
|> the place of `alternate', `regular', and `momentarily'?
|> --
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|> RPTB1@UK.AC.CAMBRIDGE.PHOENIX     (JANET)
|> Articles composed without care for punctuation and layout will be ignored.
|> If you share this sentiment please copy these lines into your signature.

I am shocked to discover that I am no longer American -- since I do
not use these words in their "new" senses.  Some Americans cling
stubbornly to the old usages.  For example, a doctor (is that "physician"
in brit-talk?) might want to know if his patient's bowel movements are
both normal and regular.  I would be surprised were the patient to
answer, "Why doctor, what a redundant query!"

If you have followed much in this newsgroup of late, you must have
noticed that one view of our language is that we want to maximize its
richness (and our freedom) by (among other techniques) using old words
in new senses or using one form of a word where previously a quite
different form was required.  This leads to richness of usage and a
great sense of creativity.

Another view of this phenomenon is that if it keeps up we will have
a language very rich in usage, but poor in intelligibility.  At some
point we will be reduced to wandering about with sappy looks and
snuffling incomprehensible noises at one another -- much in the manner
of a Labrador retriever. (No retriever flames, please.  I have one
of the beasts myself; and I know the Queen does as well.  But we all
know what they're like.)

Time will tell.
-- 
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From: gtoal@robobar.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Ye Olde Golde
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:46:35 GMT
Organization: Robobar Ltd., Perivale, Middx., ENGLAND.

In article <204364@unix.cis.pitt.edu> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
:(Speculation alert!)
:
:I would imagine that this came through the French 'lin', meaning 'flax'.
:Thus, 
:	lin (flax) ==> linen (made of flax).
:
:This looks like a good candidate for a Norman neologism, which would also
:account for the parallel development of flax/flaxen.

It's from the OE line meaning line - or thread - derived from OE lin
for flax.  [Partridge's Origins]

G
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From: eepjm@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (Peter Moylan)
Subject: Re: Liberal/Conservative/Libertarian (was Loaded language)
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:30:31 GMT

Somebody (sorry, I've lost track of the chain of references) wrote:

> |> In the U.S. we use the term "libertarian" to refer to the view that
> |> the role of the government should be limited in all things.  With a
> |> large "L" it refers to a party which promotes that view.

In Australia we tend to make a distinction with the terms "small-l
liberal" and "large-L Liberal".  A large-L Liberal is a member or
supporter of the Liberal Party (a party which is right of centre on
most matters).  A small-l liberal is someone who believes that the
government should impose its will as little as possible on individuals.

In article <1992Apr14.161423.20850@osf.org>, dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
> Dividing people who are for more, or less, government intervention on
> economic matters, and those who are more more, or less, government
> intervention on social matters (and to the extent to which the issues can
> be separated), we have:
> 
> 		Social intervention		Social nonintervention
> 
> Economic	    Populists			    Liberals
> intervention
> 
> Economic	    Conservatives		    Libertarians
> nonintervention

We don't use these terms, but it's a useful classification.  In terms
of Australian politics, one could say that the small-l liberals are
for social nonintervention, and the large-L Liberals are for
economic nonintervention.

Peter
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: P's and q's
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 02:43:47 GMT

In article <+wyj7-f.bryan@netcom.com> bryan@netcom.com (Bryan Higgins) writes:
>twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>>The story *I* always heard (maybe I should take this to
>>alt.folklore.urban) is that it was a phrase used in printing houses,
>>where the boxes for "p" and "q" type, being right next to one another,
>>frequently got confused.
>
>Especially since they are being viewed backwards.

Oops.  Well said.  Looks like I forgot the real point to the story.
<smile>

-- 
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\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      / but one, and that's the pig.  If it weren't
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / for homosexuals we'd all have to live like
                                 pigs." -- overheard at Sydney Mardi Gras
From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: "Get used to it."
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:03:44 GMT
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In article <Apr.12.21.50.57.1992.1217@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, rarosenb@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Robert Rosenberg) writes:
|> As wise man once said, "If B U R D doesn't spell "bird," what does it
|> spell?"
|> Of course, this is an oral oracularity.

Maybe it spells "curd,"  or "board," , "herd," or "beard" or ...
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Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Re: South African English
Keywords: english dialect
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:41:56 GMT

In <1992Apr15.122711.3829@unisup1.uucp> duncan@unisup1.uucp (Duncan
Anderson) writes:

>English English			South African English
>---------------                         ---------------------
...
>in a short while                        just now

Ja, man, but "Just now" can also mean "a short while AGO."

Go figure.

--
David F. Skoll
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: scobbie@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Jim Scobbie)
Subject: lang -> usage -> style (the final fate of hopefully)
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:05:19 GMT

In <204357@unix.cis.pitt.edu> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:

>... If people use it, and understand it,
>it's correct usage.  Not necessarily good *style*, but correct usage.  Even
>that most loathsome of constructions, "<sentence>: NOT!", may be with us 
>forever.  Get used to it :-).

So, if hopefully isn't ungrammatical, and isn't incorrect usage, will the
people who want to call it bad have to start another new group,
alt.style.english wherein to condemn it? :-)

-- 
James M. Scobbie: Dept of Linguistics, Stanford University, CA 94305-2150, USA
                  scobbie@csli.stanford.edu
From: carpenter@vixvax.mgi.com
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Loaded language in the abortion debate
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:31:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: vixvax.1992Apr8.093136.1748
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

It strikes me that if the people who call themselves "pro-life" were really
that, they'd be active in a lot more ways.  They'd be working to restrict
tobacco and alcohol use.  They'd be active in preventing drug abuse. They'd
be trying to get food to starving people.  They'd be posting crossing guards
at street corners.  But the only issue on which they're really active is
the abortion one, so I feel it's more appropriate to refer to them as "anti-
abortion".

Likewise, the people on the other side, who call themselves "pro-choice"
aren't really active in all the areas where free choice is being infringed
upon.  There's really only one particular choice that they're working to
preserve.  On the other hand, they're not "pro-abortion", either, since
that would imply that, in all cases of pregnancy, their preferred course
of action would be an abortion.  I have not been able to think of a succint
name for this group.

I'm not interested in suggestions like "baby-killers", and I don't want
this to turn into an abortion debate.  I seriously believe that it would
be helpful for both groups to start describing themselves and each other
accurately.  With that, I am open to suggestions.
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Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: kegelman@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Mathias Kegelmann)
Subject: Re: Shape Changer
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 10:01:54 GMT
Organization: TH Darmstadt

> >>I, too, have been unable to find a particular word. I've been looking
> >>for several months in every source I can think of, including the reverse
> >>dictionary. I can no longer recall even what letter it begins with. It's
> >>used in King's "It" but I am reluctant to wade through the 1100+ pages 
> >>to find it. Any help will be appreciated.
How about shape shifter ? It's used in some scifi and fantasy stories
I know.
> Another possibility is "xeno-morph." This has been used in sci-fi to talk about
> aliens that have the shape-changing ability.
I thought xenomorph was just a synonym for alien ? (At least it was
used that way in Aliens)

-- 
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kegelman@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de | is 2, which is even odder.
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Missing syllables in place names
From: Pat.Churchill@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:44:07 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Apr12.143452.76@mtechca.uucp> foster@mtechca.uucp (self.attribute:=major_arcana[0].name) writes:
> When I went to London in 1986, the locals flamed me greatly for
> pronouncing the name Leicester (as in Square, the one with six
> six PizzaLand restaurants within two minutes stroll of each 
> other) with three syllables.
> 
> I later found out that there are more English place names that are 
> spelled with the syllable -ce- but are not pronounces with it. The 
> ones I know of are:
> 
>      Leicester     pronounced Lester
>      Gloucester    pronounced Gloster
>      Worcester     pronounced Wooster (oo as in book)
>      Chicester     pronounced Chester
> 
> Does anyone know the historical reason for the missing syllable? Is
> there a name for this phenomenon, other than elision (no, wait, 
> elision only happens to vowels, doesn't it?)? And why does it not
> happen in names like Winchester and Dorchester? Or did these latter
> names used to be spelled Winchecester and Dorchecester?
> 
> Thanks very.
> 
> Jeff Foucester

Don't forget those other ones:
Marshbank (for Marjoribank)
Chumley (for Cholmondely)
 I'm sure there are more....
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Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: zoeckler@blackstone.eece.unm.edu ()
Subject: Volvo P1800 Suspension question.....
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 05:18:32 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Summary: Looking for an opinion on P1800 suspension parts

Well.... I've had my '71 P1800 for about 6 weeks now..... It has
turned out to be everything I ever hoped for! I need to replace the
springs and shocks and have a few questions about brands etc.....

	Question 1: Are Bielstien Shocks worth the $100.00 each
                    price tag, or are KYB's (at $50 each) just as
                    good?

        Question 2: IPD makes a set of replacement springs that are
                    35 percent stiffer and 1.5" lower. Are these a
                    good choice? Or should I stick with stock height?

        Question 3: Does anyone have a favorite source for Performance
                    shocks and springs? Albuquerque has exactly 1 source
                    for these products which doesn't make for very 
                    competitive pricing.

Thanks in advance for any answers.....

					Christopher
					Zoeckler

					zoeckler@blackstone.eece.unm.edu

Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: Advice on Ford needed
Organization: ICASE/NASA Langley
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:35:42 GMT

TX_WAYNE@rrivax.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Johnson) writes:

>In <1992Apr8.165457.14188@samba.oit.unc.edu> pokey@med.unc.edu writes:

>> I need som advice on what to look for in an old car. 
[talks of 66 fairlane ragtop]

>Well, I'm no Ford expert, I'm more of a Mopar fan, but for what it's
>worth... 

well I'm a bit of a ford "expert"... :-)


>If you want a Ford and plan to use it as a daily driver why don't you
>consider a Mustang convertible?

um...because even a dogged one is prohibitively expensive?
because he doesn't want to drive a car everyone else does?

>There are more companies out there manufacturing and
>selling repro parts for Mustang's

it is true you could mail order an entire mustang.  however,
fairlane parts should be no problem.

> Imagine yourself
>spending weeks scouring junk yards and swap meets for, say, a set of
>brake drums for you "daily driver". Imagine yourself

this would not be a problem.

>The old Mustangs are good looking cars, too 

true - but IMHO 66 fairlanes are good examples the boxy-boat style
of cars (I like galaxies too...)  very attractive.

>(well maybe not as nice as
>a '68 Charger or a '70 'Cuda or a '71 Challenger - sorry, had to do
>that)

I couldn't disagree more... :-)  But my feeling is *fact*, while your's is
simply biased opinion...

well, to get to the real question: 66 fairlanes are moderately collectible.
you could speculate on their projected rise in worth (I think they will).
But the bottom line is do *you* like it?  you're the one that has to drive it.
old convertibles are going to be worth a lot in no matter what shape.
the car you describe sounds rough.  the rust is cause for *major* concern - 
it can be fixed - but you have to determine if what you see is all the damage
or is the whole car seriously compromised.  floor pans and such are available.

you didn't say what drive train you had.  if it is small block & auto (the most likely)
it would not be very expensive to rebuild (parts are certainly no problem)  if you
have an FE big-block - congrats.  it makes it more valuable - but these are older,
less numerous engines.  they can be more rewarding though...

don't buy a dog simply because it is a ragtop.  make sure it is straight.  spending a
little more in the beginning for a solid car will make you happy in the long run.

and don't ever my a mopar or brand-X.

Michael Nelson

Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: robie@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. William Robie; POSI (GRAD))
Subject: Re: woody
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:55:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.192345.14938@hubcap.clemson.edu> jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght) writes:
>   Anybody know anything about what it would take to purchase an old
>woody and restore it?  I think I might be interested in adding this to
>my collection (small collection).
>
 At the risk of sounding flippant, what it would "take" is money ... lots and
lots of MONEY.  I just looked at a '40 Ford Woody Wagon today, and the owner
has turned down *serious* offers in the $50,000 range.  This, of course, is
one very PRIME, all-original machine -- no bondo, no rust, no nothing bad.  
Only the paint and the interior are replacement (but as original).

Woodies just aren't common anymore, and they seem to be holding onto a steady
rise in value -- even in these economically tough times.
From: brooks@mcnc.org (Ted Brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: woody
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:59:36 GMT
Organization: Center for Microelectronics, MCNC; RTP, NC

In article <1992Apr13.045543.21775@umbc3.umbc.edu>, robie@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. William Robie; POSI (GRAD)) writes:
> In article <1992Apr12.192345.14938@hubcap.clemson.edu> jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght) writes:
> >   Anybody know anything about what it would take to purchase an old
> >woody and restore it?  I think I might be interested in adding this to
> >my collection (small collection).
> >
>  At the risk of sounding flippant, what it would "take" is money ... lots and
> lots of MONEY.  I just looked at a '40 Ford Woody Wagon today, and the owner
> has turned down *serious* offers in the $50,000 range.  This, of course, is
> one very PRIME, all-original machine -- no bondo, no rust, no nothing bad.  
> Only the paint and the interior are replacement (but as original).
> 
> Woodies just aren't common anymore, and they seem to be holding onto a steady
> rise in value -- even in these economically tough times.

Very true. Of course, in this particular case you have a couple other factors
against you - a prime '40 Ford in a desireable body style is always quite
expensive, and the current owner sounds like a butthead. Still, the laws of 
supply and demand hold, and there isn't exactly an oversupply of woodies...

If you just gotta have a woodie, economics may dictate avoiding flathead
Fords a la Beach Boys mobiles. You might want to look at late '40s to early
'50s non Fords. Chevrolet, Pontiac, Plymouth, and Dodge all built woodies,
(correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the first all steel wagon was 
introduced by Plymouth in '52). The overall lower value of these marques
of this era (as opposed to the '32-'48 flathead Fords) may make a woodie a bit 
affordable. (No offense to Ford owners, this is strictly a price issue.)


An important concern in buying such a car is the condition of the wood. This
stuff has to be kept dry and well varnished. Repairs are expensive, and it
won't be easy finding someone skilled enough to do the repairs. Your best
bet for woodie repairs would probably be a boatbuilder who makes wood boats.
Your average body shop wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
 
Ted Brooks
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From: priag@NSD.3Com.COM (Pria Graves)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Restored bug
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:20:37 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: 3Com Corp., Santa Clara, CA.

I tend to read news more often than I post.... but I can't resist sharing 
the news about my newly restored bug!

I just got my `61 beetle (with sun roof) back from having a major amount of 
body work done.  It is now glaringly white with a blue-toned overcoat.
All the rubber, window channels etc were replaced as well.  

I also had dark grey carpet and a white headliner and door panels installed.
It isn't perfect but it sure looks good.

(oh, and the engine was rebuilt including a new firewall two months ago)

I guess everyone deserves a "new" car once in their lives... and this is mine!

Pria
From: angusg@spider.co.uk (Angus Grossart)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Morris Minors/Travellers
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:22:55 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK

Can anyone warn me of the potential pitfalls when buying a Morris Minor or
Traveller.  What prices should I be expected to pay for the differing years
models etc.  I am aware that the old spilt screen versions up the price but 
other that, what other features (models) infulence the price.

Any help appreciated

Angus
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From: donb@crash.cts.com (Donald Bowen)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: California emission laws
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:52:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: crash.1992Apr09.005219.594
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

In article <65520004@hpscit.sc.hp.com> cobra@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Roland Dudley) writes:
>
>Really, I thought '65 was the magic year.

	'65 and older need smog inspection on title transfer or first
registration in CA.  '66 and newer also have to be inspected every 2 years.
With new laws smogging is getting more difficult and expensive each year.
There is talk of roadside inspections and if you fail, the last person
to inspect you car must prove it passed.

	DonB
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: mln@icase.edu (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: Advice on Ford needed
Organization: ICASE/NASA Langley
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:50:25 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.211225.15338@mlb.semi.harris.com>, jws@cica4.mlb.semi.harris.com (James W. Swonger) writes:
>
> The Galaxie of that time was nice; not too super big, decent lines, baby fins
>and took big motors. Even a 289 would move it along though (I rode in one once)
>and plenty of room for lounging out...
>

I  *love* 65-66 galaxies.  I love 63-64 galaxies also.  I really dig 61-62's also.

But, "not too super big" !?!  they're huge!  why do you think they are called "galaxies" !!!

Michael Nelson

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