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From: tcg8@aber.ac.uk (Telsa Christina Gwynne)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Stereotypes and bisexuality (wasRe: Coming out to teachers...)
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:37:58 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Apr8.142940.18817@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
alyoung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (amy young) writes:
>
>The stereotypes are rediculous.  How many times do I hear that being
>bisexual means you MUST have a partner of each sex at the same time at
>all times?  I don't understand this.  Where did this come from?  
>
>amy

Wish I knew. The first time I encountered it was the first time I told
anyone I was bi. Sitting on a bulletin board talker, and I assumed that
the third person (to whom I wasn't talking) had been crashed. We were
talking about things, and he was getting worried that people would 
find out he was gay (the guy I *was* talking to, this is) and I was
saying there was no way people could tell, and said I was bi and no-one
had worked that out yet.

Third person then woke up. "Oh, you're just in need of a good shagging.."
Et cetera et cetera. Then he wanted to know what it was like to be in
bed with a man and woman at the same time. Sigh.

I told him to try it and see. :-)

		Telsa
From: kmj1@PL118f.cc.lehigh.edu (kate marie)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Coming Out (Was: Outing at the Oscars?)
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:44:29 GMT
	<1992Apr9.100747.2482@fmg.bt.co.uk>
	<1992Apr10.175845.12972@willamette.edu>
Organization: Lehigh University Student Konsultants

In article <1992Apr10.175845.12972@willamette.edu> jmacvean@willamette.edu (Jennifer Mac vean) writes:
[opinion on outing deleted]
> As far as why we're nice, well, I'd just like to think that comes naturally!!!
> ;-)> *nuzzle the whole newsgroup*  I came out to my dorm this week, Metanoia
> House.  We had a conversation board where people wrote their thoughts on 
> love, sex, and marriage.  I couldn't resist, and I was fairly sure that
> nothing
> would happen to me if I did, so I wrote, in effect, "I love everybody, and
> I find everybody (well, almost everybody), attractive.  I love being this
> way, and yes, I'm saying that I'm bi."

congratulations, and welcome to soc.bi! (hugs, cuddles and such)

> Or gender non-specific, like Penguin
> says (hi stevey-poo, flirt outrageously).  It was lots scarier than doing
> this, which is, by the way my official De-Muffining!  Thanks elf, peg, both
> Nicks, Palmer, Nora, Kayany-digits, and everyone else!  Special thanks to John
> Collier of rec.arts.books, I'm not sure if he reads this.  I love you guys.
> I love being bi.  *wink*  *squeeze*  *moan softly*  *sigh*

e-flirts to you too, dear.

seriously, though, can anyone suggest a non-stressful way to come out?
right now the only people who know (except for all of you) are my SO
and a friend of ours who is also bi. i don't think my parents or good
friends are going to have major problems with it, but i'm just nervous
about the whole deal, and i don't really know how to handle it. ideas?
post or e-mail, whichever you feel is appropriate.
 
i'll think of a way to thank you...

kate
kmj1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Laws in the Isle of Man
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:58:58 GMT

rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>I assumed that the Manx law is the same Victorian one that
>used to be in effect in Britain, and is still in effect in
>Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

In fact the law in Northern Ireland was brought into line with that in
Britain some years back (I think in the late 70s) after a judgement of
the European Court of Human Rights.  The law in Ireland hasn't been
changed yet despite a similar judgement, although as you note it is
not enforced.

>Legend has
>it that Victoria deleted all references to homosexual acts
>between females from the legislation, because the very idea
>of such things going on was simply too preposterous (:-))

Well she was right, wasn't she?  I mean *obviously* you can't have sex
without sticking at least one penis into at least one orifice.
Besides, surely both women couldn't lie back and think of England at
the same time, or nothing would happen.

,
Eamonn
From: cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Outing? (Was Outing at the Oscars?)
Date: 10 Apr 92 05:55:52 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster


 twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

> When Oliver Stone announced his intent to produce THE MAYOR OF CASTRO
> STREET, there was apparently something of a rush for applications to
> play Harvey Milk.  

Robin Williams was on the Jonathon Ross show here (I know, I know) & expressed
his interest in doing _The Mayor of Castro Sreet. Don't know what role he was
after, but him as Harvey Milk would be cool.

Tanaqui

"When I woke up this morning, my girlfriend asked me "Did you sleep good?"
 I said "No, I make a few mistakes."  "     Steven Wright
From: cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi Quotes and Red Heads
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:20:50 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster


 rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld) writes:
>  pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>>absolutely, absolutely.  that description made *my* heart skip a 
>>beat, too...  mmmmmm... *can we do color gifs?  i know have *one*
>>more reason to  visit seattle (and wash u).  

> In a class yesterday we were warned about the dangers of "excessive
> collaboration", and I just love dangerous things...
> Would you two *fine* ladies be interested in collaborating excessively
> with me...???

Well, peg? Nothing exceeds like excess, so they say. So, the Seattle orgy is
Sandra, peg, Ellen & me so far..?

Tanaqui 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Subject: Re: sex education, and what it did for me...
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:39:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.152345.22696@panix.com> ro@panix.com (r l reid) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.234640.29467@midway.uchicago.edu> rivk@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Apr6.213120.23959@panix.com> ro@panix.com (r l reid) writes:
>>
>>>Personal to anyone who hasn't been flirted with lately:
>>>Flutter, flutter.  Tiny grin.  Looking away shyly - back again -
>>>away again.
>>
>>*Purr!* Now how did you know I needed to be flirted with today?
>>
>(e-strokes purring nora at that special place cats have where
>the neck meets the jaw) - How?  Because that's the default 
>around here, isn't it?  Presumed in need of flirtation until
>presumed otherwise....(and a gentle but of e-knuckle behind
>your cat ears...)

Mmmmmmm... purring Noras love being petted behind the ears! (Or behind
the sofa, or behind the curtains, or behind the closet door, or behind
certain people's backs, or...) ;-)

	-Nora



-- 
Oseh shalom b'imromav, hu ya'aseh shalom aleinu v'al kol yisrael.
From: twpierce@amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Ice Cream
Date: 2 Apr 92 13:22:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: amherst.1992Apr2.092225.1
Followup-To: /dev/null
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA.

In article <1992Apr1.141833.16213@sci.kun.nl>, rhialto@cs.kun.nl (Olaf Seibert) writes:
> In article <1992Mar31.195725.10534@husc3.harvard.edu> pierce@husc4.harvard.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>Emacs?  There is (was) an ice cream store named Emacs?
>>How wonderful...
> 
> Ahem. I think vi is way better than emacs.

Oh, I don't care which editor it was ... the mere idea of an ice
cream store being named after any Unix entity tickles me to the
bone, even if it turns out to have been a mistake.  David
Carlton, when you and I graduate I think we should found a greasy
spoon named "/usr/spool/mail."

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Simon LeVay says he can't find any lesbian
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  brains ... I've been to that bar."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / -- Max Meredith Vasilatos (max@athena.mit.edu)
From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re:  Bi Quotes
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:20:37 GMT
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <rhialto.0022@falu.sneakernet> rhialto@cs.kun.nl writes:
>In article <1992Mar30.040827.5166@vax.oxford.ac.uk> cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>Is my reputation as insatiable lustmonster hunting redheads dampened yet?
>
>Nope! I guess we'll have to create a list of redheads, purely for my
>benefit... *awaits angry response* ok, ok, you may use it too...

ok, olaf, just how free are you gonna be with this list?  i 
certainly call dibs here, and i can think of one or two others
here in chicago who probably want in, too...

the great red-head hunt is on!!!!
olaf's keeping the list, with names and (hopefully) e-mail 
addresses!  (if have red hair and wantto be hunted, let him 
know (-:)  ...

"and they're off!"
peg
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bp@cs.brown.edu (Boris Putanec)
Subject: Re: red hair again?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Brown University
	<iw.703363983@tosser> <1992Apr15.220043.23088@midway.uchicago.edu>
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:52:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.220043.23088@midway.uchicago.edu> pmm7@quads.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?)) writes:

   peg
   (and sofly whip your naked back...)
   ;) 
   (are we in the right newsgroup?)

Always peg. Always. :)

boris
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sara's ElectroPostie)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: e-flirts
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:10:18 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

STella@thelema.uucp (STella) writes:

>In article <1992Apr9.044656.28993@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>>In article <31257@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> db@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Berry) writes:
>>>Ro said:
>>>>Flirtitiously munching on the back of the entire newsgroup's neck:
>>>Flirtatiously nibbling the *big toes* of the entire newsgroup...
>>Sensually massaging the lower back of the entire newsgroup...

>Flirtatiously spinning my favorite whip at the entire newsgroup....

Oooh yes, yes - but lash me gently, Stella ...

Flirtatiously playing Bzzzttt with the whole newsgroup ...

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)  Sara Hopkins  (-8}<                      ______             ^
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St.   \  / / Glorious OOO
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662   \/\/   Stereo  ++  
 >  sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk  < < Six of one, half a dozen of the other >
From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Coming Out (Was: Outing at the Oscars?)
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:42:13 GMT
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <KMJ1.92Apr10184429@PL118f.cc.lehigh.edu> 
kmj1@PL118f.cc.lehigh.edu (kate marie) writes:
>seriously, though, can anyone suggest a non-stressful way to come out?
>right now the only people who know (except for all of you) are my SO
>and a friend of ours who is also bi. i don't think my parents or good
>friends are going to have major problems with it, but i'm just nervous
>about the whole deal, and i don't really know how to handle it. ideas?
>post or e-mail, whichever you feel is appropriate.

	I'm out to my SO, quite a number of my friends, and my mother. I highly
doubt I'll tell my father or brother any time soon. This past weekend, my 
father apologized to my SO (bi male) for there being pink icing on the 
cheesecake my parents got him for his birthday. As if he thought it was an 
affront to his masculinity.... My 17 year old brother's stated opinions are
enough to give him a distinct resemblance to Morgan Calabresi's brother Max.

>i'll think of a way to thank you...
	
	Going to be in New York any time soon? *wink* *lick lips*

-jb
I'm not working. I should be working. I'm taking too many credits to be wasting
my time writing this....I'm not working. I really *should* be working....
From: sean@cs.strath.ac.uk (Sean Ahern)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: bisexuality a fad? (was Re: Bisexuality and Furries...)
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:23:32 GMT
Organization: Chainsaw Reprogramming Ltd

In article <20205@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sara's ElectroPostie) writes:

>Whatabout the white kid gloves?  And the fobwatch???
>

   Well I got the fob watch okay, although it's a wee bit battered from
climbing trees barefoot and drunk one day in the park.  But not
too much.  But no kid gloves, white or otherwise.  Gloves tend to
catch on me rings, and I avoid buying leather anyway, these days...

>Um, I know guys who'd look pretty good in a long fringed skirt ... but
>as far as I'm concerned, it's not unheard of for me to be seen in a
>*short* fringed skirt, DMs and leathers .... I'm very rarely without the
>leathers ....  I'm also rather into noisy shirts (read *** DEAFENING
>***) and trousers.
>
  Well I said most... :)
  Having seen one or two friends of mine in RHS-type gear and I have to
say, erm, well there are exceptions anyway...  <sighs>
  I'll have to bring me shades if you're wearing a too-loud shirt, my eyes
have got sensitive eardrums...  

*  White Rabbit; sharp teeth and claws, long hair, waistcoat  *
* and pocketwatch.  Sometimes late, and often predatory,      *
* particularily if there's Guinness involved.  If you see     *
* Alice, tell her I was wrong.  Feed your head.  Hail Eris!   *


-- 
*  White Rabbit; sharp teeth and claws, long hair, waistcoat  *
* and pocketwatch.  Sometimes late, and often predatory,      *
* particularily if there's Guinness involved.  If you see     *
* Alice, tell her I was wrong.  Feed your head.  Hail Eris!   *
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Subject: Re: Women are BLG, too! (was: Outing at the Oscars?)
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 17:51:24 GMT

In article <31593@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.210657.2253@wam.umd.edu> sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell) writes:
>+p.s. You didn't mention men who have been sexually abused.  I'm curious as to
>+why.
>
>'cause men don't get abused. And if they dd,o the abused becomes homosexual
>too, since the the perpatrator is a male.
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^ 
isn't there supposed to be a smiley here?  (please say yes...)

>My suspicsion is that more boys are abused, un-reported, and will
>remain so as long as there is such a negative view towards
>homosexual activities. 

ummm.... sex between little/young boys and men is pedophilia, 
not "homosexual activity".  i hope you didn't mean this the way
it sounds, but just as an adult man molesting a young girl isn't
heterosexual behabior, or is only nominally heterosexual, it's the
same with homosexuals.  and yes, it probably is under reported.  

>Much has been written about the woman/girl's
>view of being sexually abused, the negative self-image, etc. But I
>don't think the popular press has gotten around to abused men/boy's
>except to maintain that idea that 'we can't trust gays to be scout
>leaders, 'cause look at these cases of sexual abuse'.

or something like that.  i think there is also a sexist part of 
this.  little girls are seen as helpless, but boys are supposed 
to be able defend themselves or something.  so forboys there is 
probably an added layer ofshame.  (WARNING! hypothesis promoted!  
no flames, please!)  ;)  	

>This is clearly an anecdotal observation.

huh?  

peg

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: abv29765@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kitling )
Subject: Re: bisexuality a fad? (was Re: Bisexuality and Furries...)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 09:36:44 GMT

pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?)) writes:

>methinks david just joined the great red-head hunt!  ;)

*ACK!*  When did this start?  Methinks I'm going to beat a hasty retreat after
just de-muffining.....*sigh* *pulls out her paper back, puts it on her head 
and slinks quietly into a dim corner of the news group to avoid the hunters*

*sinks down against the floot and curls her tail over her nose to wait this
thing out*  

moonlight


*******************************************************************************
You're an outlaw lover and I'm after your hide.
Well, ya ain't so strong, won't be long til your hands are tied.
Tonight I'm gonna take you in dead or alive, well, tha's right.
You break the laws of love in the name of desire,
Take ten steps back cause I'm ready, baby, aim and fire.
                      -Cher                   abv29765@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
*******************************************************************************
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Outing? (Was Outing at the Oscars?)
Date: 7 Apr 92 05:41:45 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Apr4.050436.8173@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
+
+When Oliver Stone announced his intent to produce THE MAYOR OF CASTRO
+STREET, there was apparently something of a rush for applications to
+play Harvey Milk.  James Woods, for example, was apparently

Why? I was incredibly disappointed with 'The Door's'. The time
compression, sensationalistic pseudo-docu-drama, lead to a patch
work of violence and bad rock group imatations.

Of course maybe Mr. Milk's life style was tamer and hence only the
last moments of his life could be hooped-up for a sensational
Hollywood cartoon characterization.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.sex.wizards,alt.sex
From: pentangl@spdcc.com (Scott Moir)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: bisexuality a fad? (was Re: Bisexuality and Furries...)
Date: 11 Apr 92 11:44:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Apr11.114415.10443
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Apr09.171647.23055@vpnet.chi.il.us> orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes:
>In article <9313@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> sean@cs.strath.ac.uk (Sean Ahern) writes:
>|In article <1992Apr3.215058.15574@cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>|>I'm sorta the same. I'm fairly low on the Kinsey scale and,
>|>intellectually, I just can't fathom why I'm not _equally_ attracted to
>|>both men and women.
>|   Well in my case I reckon that more women have the qualities I like
>   ...
>|   I know Im defintely far more sight-attracted to women in passing, I
>
>
>   It could be that women tend to dress more colourfully than men do,
>and after having your eyes attracted to the bright colours, you notice
>the interesting features even on women who aren't brightly dressed.
>I noticed I started to notice men a lot more after I'd actually been
>involved with one, and had a chance to notice the interesting bits are
>usually hidden away.

Actually, it MAY just be that the person is nonbiased
in the way the y think, but are simply not interested in thier same
gender sexually to do anything about it.

Sexual attraction is not the same thing as appreciation or having a 
non-biased attitude. From what I have been seeing in this line
of discussion, I am reading that some people are
implying that it is related and the person in
question is just closeted. (They may be, but you don't know that)

>   Long hair is a killer, though, on a good-looking man, when he's
>also wearing jeans and a jacket. It helps if he's a redhead, too (lapse
>into drooling...)
>
Long hair IS wonderful to look at, however. *drool*
(Hello Bronze! *drool*pant*)

>                __
>  david parsons \/ orc@pell.chi.il.us

Scott

-- 
Scott Moir / Pentangle / Satyr ______ # "There's really only one requirement 
pentangl@Ursa-Major.spdcc.com  \ \/ / #  for a Prophet, and you've got it."
B4 f t+ w g k+(+) s+ m r p+     \/\/  # "What's that?"
These are my opinions, not SPDCC's    # "A mouth." - 'God' to J.R.'BoB' Dobbs
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: red hair again?
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:51:57 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <iw.703363983@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) writes:
:sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Sara's ElectroPostie) writes:
:
:
:>Oooh, did somebody say **strawberry blonde**???  <swoon>  I definitely
:>want in on whichever of the orgies it is that Ellen's going to be at,
:>and I want in on it *now*!!!  *Thank* you for sharing that with us, Peg
:
:Is strawberry blonde kinda like blond streaked reddish golden hair?  Cos
:thats me <and yes there are days I`d sell my grannys soul for a flirt>.
:<shy bashful smile, fluttering eyelids, toe nibbles, soft whippings .........>
:
:Iseult.


Oh *that's* what it means.  I always wondered...  I thought it meant
*straw*-coloured, and I had this mental picture of Worzel Gummidge... :-)

G
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: red hair again?
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:34:39 GMT
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr9.150758.1294@spdcc.com> pentangl@spdcc.com (Scott Moir) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.012037.9025@midway.uchicago.edu> pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>
>>the great red-head hunt is on!!!!
>>olaf's keeping the list, with names and (hopefully) e-mail 
>>addresses!  (if have red hair and wantto be hunted, let him 
>>know (-:)  ...
>>
>>"and they're off!"
>>peg
>
>Hmm.. I have brown hair, but my -beard- is red. Does that count? :)
>
>Scott

And what about 'ginger' hair that used to be red?

-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld)
Subject: Re: Bi Quotes and Red Heads
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 09:56:33 GMT

In article <20077@castle.ed.ac.uk> gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.171711.29850@u.washington.edu> rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandy Hereld) writes:
>>Graham, Joe, big hugs to you both.  Since I've been dating (for almost 
>>*two* years) a motss most recently, I occaisonally feel the lack of male
>>hugs (and sex, but that's another story...) in my life.
>
>Was that an invitation to the Seattle orgy? ;-)  I know this lovely
>*quiet* spot on Lummi Island just the dab for skinny dipping...
>
>Big *hugs* back atcha
>
>Graham

Come on in boys the water's fine. (Don't suppose either of you are
red heads... )

There is no doubt that the gay men's and gay women's movements are *very*
different, and those of us who either came to bisexuality from the gay
community, or spend alot of time there (perhaps because our SO's are gay
identified) have ?internalied those feelings.  One of the things that would make
me happy would be if bisexuals perhaps came to feel their preference gave 
them more in common, then their gender separated them. Gay's in general haven't 
accomplished this yet... * *Ramble - I'm stupidly
typing this at 3:00 in the morning.  Don't try this at home* *

All I meant was, let's mix it up a little here.  Let's run our genders instead
of having our genders run us. Let's break all the stereotypes.  Let's let the
goodlooking people be the politics queens and the fat people (not that there
isn't overlap #8^) be the sex everyday or I'll go mad, sorry about your
chandeler, bub, people. Pick your own favorite stereotype to break.

Sandy	There are none so annoying as they who will not shut up
        (and let *ME* talk)
 

Everybody remember that Seattle's just 3 hours (less for the non-
lawabiding) from Portland...