HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Non Unix-OS's
Date: 31 Jul 92 09:35:17 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

magnus@THEP.LU.SE (Magnus Olsson) writes:
>So, I wonder, how many non-Unix OS's are still being used on *new*
>multi-user hardware?

Data General uses their own incredibly crappy OS on their multi-user
computers.  I've mercifully blocked the name of it from my mind.  Four
months with it is roughly equivalent to the same amount of time using
COBOL.

-- 
They say the women in Arkansas are so fast, you have to put a governor on them.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: alh@einoed.in-berlin.de (Adrian Le Hanne)
Subject: Re: Cloned computers
Organization: Einoed Unix & Netzwerke, Berlin (FRG)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:22:49 GMT

berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes:

>greg@Quotron.COM (Greg "Maddog" Knauss) writes:
>>The recent talk of various Tandy clones made me wonder how much hardware
>>has been knocked-off over the years.  These are the ones I know of:

>>Original			Clones
>>------------------------------- -------------------------------
>>IBM (PC/AT/etc.)		[Billions and billions...]
>>Apple II(+/e/c)			Franklin (1000/1200), Laser 128
>>Tandy Color Computer		Dragon 32
>>Tandy TRS-80			Video Genie
>>Macintosh			[Rumored.  Asian and American.]

>>Anything else?

>Xerox, Amdahl, and CDC all made IBM mainframe clones.
The Siemens (barf) series of BS2000 mainframes were IBM mainframe clones,
one could run the Siemens proprietary system (no comment ;) or IBM MVS.
I believe, the cpu itself was made by Hitachi, can someone correct me here?

>	Mike Berger
Adrian
-- 
Adrian S. Le Hanne        Einoed Unix & Netzwerke, Koepenicker Str.154, D-1000
alh@einoed.in-berlin.de   Berlin 36. Tel.: 030/611 31 26,  Fax.: 030/826 98 75
                                         "Christianity Is Stupid" -Negativland
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: draz@tochna.technion.ac.il (David Raz)
Subject: Re: Wumpus source in C!
Organization: Technion, Israel Inst. of Technology
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:58:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul14.052448.24494@mullet.gu.uwa.edu.au>, john@mullet.gu.uwa.edu.au (John West) writes:
|> pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin) writes:
|>
|> >I believe the _best_ BASIC->C translator has been written.  It's called
|> >'rm *.bas'
|>
|> A few years ago one of the entries to the IOCCC was an obfuscated C program
|> that translated BASIC into obfuscated C. Gack. If you can find an archive,
|> check it out.
|>

Speaking of IOCCC , are the programs archived somewhere ?

|> John West
|> --
|> For the humour impaired: Insert a :-) after every third word

David 'did someone port wumpus to Alpha ?' Raz
--
David Raz  draz@ee.technion.ac.il
Xref: sparky alt.folklore.computers:11490 comp.protocols.time.ntp:760
From: simon@lia.di.epfl.ch (Simon Leinen)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.protocols.time.ntp
Subject: Re: Multiple Wristwatches
Date: 30 Jul 92 08:19:55 GMT
	<1840@adagio.UUCP> <1992Jul28.174553.15149@uvm.edu>
	<1992Jul28.153418.57570@cc.usu.edu>
Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers
Organization: DI-LIA -- Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne
In-reply-to: ivie@cc.usu.edu's message of 28 Jul 92 21:34:18 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: 69692a3e60af57fe89178e80ca8e53f7

In article <1992Jul28.153418.57570@cc.usu.edu> ivie@cc.usu.edu (CP/M
lives!) writes:

   No, but rumor is that they're working on a watch that listens to
   WWV ala Heathkit's Most Accurate Clock.

Radio-synchonrized watches exist already.  I think the German
manufacturer Junghans was first to offer one -- it is synched to
DCF77 once a day (at night).
-- 
Simon.
From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: 9 track data storage???????????????
Date: 21 Jul 1992 14:57:14 -0400
Organization: Berkeley Software Design
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In article <13269@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879) writes:
>A 9-track tape is 1/2 inch wide, stored on reels that are up to about a
>foot in diameter, with thousands of feet of tape per reel.  Typically,
>data is recorded at 400, 800, 1600 or 6250 bits per inch (you can guess
>the age of a system by the lowest density it can deal with).  The 9
>tracks are used to record one byte plus parity, so bits per inch along
>one track is also bytes per inch along the tape.

How strange. I always used the *highest* supported density to get
the idea of the device's age. I remember when  8 and 16 "impulses per
millimeter" tapes (about 200 and 400 bpi) were actually used. 32 ipm was
a big progress :-)

As for TK50 - it's a brain-dead DEC console cartridge tape (btw, it's
contoller can be switched to emulate the TS-11 9-track tape controller :-)
I guess it usually is. Unix tape interface is heavily infuenced by
pecularities of 9-track tape format (say, impossibility to write safely in the
middle of tape files or double tape mark as end-of-tape indicator) and
looks, hm, strange when applied to modern streaming tapes.

--vadim
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: IBM vs. world terminology (was: What does dd stand for?)
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:41:38 GMT
	<1992Jul27.071236.8036@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz> <jcmorris.712248190@mwunix>
	<1992Jul27.233120.2652@geovision.gvc.com>
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <1992Jul27.233120.2652@geovision.gvc.com> pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin) writes:

>PC-Tech Journal or one of those magazines had a column on how to translate
>IBM speak into the language of the micro community.

WhereWhereWhere? I would LOVE to get my hands on this!!!

My last job was as a VAX system manager for a previously all-BLUE
company (I was a Unix person, but hey, close enough.) My ONOFFICIAL
job quickly became being the person who:
   --fought with the tech writers about taking the word "DASD" out
   --explained to tech support what a "process" was
   --persuaded my own boss that we had to use VMSInstall and not 
     the same script the MVS products used, no matter HOW much the
     customers liked it...
   --tried desperately to teach the salespeople a few buzzwords, 
     like "DCL"

etc, etc, etc....it was a fun job, except that in order to translate,
I was forced to use the VM/CMS and MVS systems...watching the MVS
operator load a tape was a shocking glimpse into the darker side of
computer history...

--
System Administrator                  Internet: betsys@cs.umb.edu
MACS Dept, UMass/Boston               BITNET:ESCHWARTZ%UMBSKY.DNET@NS.UMB.EDU
100 Morrissy Blvd                     Staccato signals
Boston, MA 02125-3393                      of constant information....
From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Cloned computers
Date: 31 Jul 1992 14:32:39 -0400
Organization: Berkeley Software Design
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

The list of Eastern Bloc clones of Westen computers (semi-clones
marked with *):

ORIGINAL	CLONE

IBM/360		*ES-1020, ES-1022, ES-1025, ES-1030, *ES-1033, *ES-1040
various models	*M-4030 (?)

IBM/370		ES-1035, ES-1036, ES-1037, *ES-1045, ES-1046,
various models	*ES-1050, *ES-1055
		and some others (can't recall, sorry)

HP-3000		SM-1/SM-2 (really incompatible)

Mitra (?)	ES-1010 (R-10), ES-1011 (R-11)

PDP-8		Saratov

LSI-11		Elektronika-60, *DVK-1, *DVK-2, SM-1300, Mera 60

PDP-11/20	SM-3

PDP-11/34	SM-4, Elektronika-100/25, S-100 (?), Mera 125(?),
		*Nairi-4

PDP-11/40	*SM-1610, *SM-1420 (up to 4Mb RAM but no sep I/D),
		*SM-1301 (micro), *Robotron K1610

PDP-11/60	SM-52/11

PDP-11/70	Elektronika-79

DEC Pro 350	Elektronika-85, *DVK-3.2, *DVK-4

PDP-11/73	SM-1425

VAX-11/730	SM-1700

VAX-11/750	Elektronika-82

VAX-11/780	SM-52/12, SM-1055

uVAX I		Elektronika-86

Wang (?)	Iskra-225

IBM PC/XT	*Robotron 1603 (?), *Iskra-1030, *ES-????, SM-1804 (?)
		VT-20 

TRS-80		Irisha, Radio-80 and a lot of other amateur things

Apple		Agat-1

after that the Soviet computer industry rest in peace. All inaccuracies
are mine (i was recalling the list from my flakey memory).

--vadim

PS. The list of ORIGINAL designs (the ones i saw):

Tubes & Relays:
Ural, Razdan

Transistors:
M-220, BESM-4, BESM-6, MIR-1, MIR-2, Nairi-1, Nairi-2, Nairi-3,
Minsk-22, Minsk-32, K-1, Setun' (a *ternary* machine)

ICs:
SM-1200, SM-1210, PS-2000, PS-3000, PS-320, SVS 1K2, Elbrus-1,
Elbrus-2, Elbrus-B (a BESM-6 successor, runs U*ix), TA-100, TM-130,
TK-210, Skala (the one's running Chernobyl)

PPS. How to decode manufacturers from the names:

	SM-????	- Minpribor, INEUM
	PS-???	- Minpribor 
	TM-,TK-,TA- - Minpribor, NZTA (my dad's machines :-)
	SM-??/?? - Bulgary
	Mera	- Poland, Mera
	Robotron - East Germany, Robotron
	ELektronika, DVK - Minelektronprom
	BESM-, Elbrus - ITM & VT (Minsredmash ?)
	ES-????	- mostly NICEVT, some are Bulgarian or German
	ES-101?, VT- - Videoton, Hungary
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris)
Subject: Re: 9 track data storage???????????????
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:39:04 GMT

syswtr@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu writes:

>  And how's 'bout the 7 track tapes with BCD header records (written
>with even parity, of course) to identify the data (written in odd
>partiy).

>  Really drive the 'device driver' nuts on the VAX/VMS system...

I can't get too upset about that.  The practice of recording all tape label
records in even parity (regardless of the parity used to record the data)
has been around longer than the VAX.  The label records are character
files, and common practice for 7-track tapes was to use even parity for
character files.

The issue of how even parity became the standard for such files is a
different question.  I haven't ever heard even rumors on the subject;
can anyone offer useful info or speculation?

I'll agree that mixed-parity tapes are a royal pain.  The old IBSYS
Type 3 record format used variable-length records with a green word;
each record also had a lookahead bit to tell the reading program what
parity to use when reading the following record.

One of the first application packages I wrote for the S/360 was a tape 
copy program.  The hell I went through for error recovery included
trying every combination of density {200,556,800} and parity {odd,even}
before giving up and declaring a block unreadable.  And I recall
the joy I felt when I found that the new 3803 tape control unit could
not support both 6250 and 7-track drives.  I was able to use this to
leverage the computer center into dropping support for 7-track tapes;
thankfully nobody told management that an engineering change to the
3803 had obsoleted the restriction...

Joe Morris
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Did the 80186 exist?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 00:00:06 GMT

>In article <1992Jun26.183126.17648@shell.shell.com> pace@fmcrunch
(Stephen O. Pace) writes:
>    My question is, was there a 186?  Was this a minor revision of the 8086?
>    Did it die a quick death when the 286 came out?  How different was the
>    instruction set?

Certainly it did!  I think that it must have died quick when the 286
came out - I don't think there was much time between them.

They were used at University of Waterloo for the Real Time Programming
course, and the last time I was through the M&C building back in June,
they seemed to still be ticking away in the Real Time lab.  I don't
know who made 'em, but they used a C by Computer Innovations...

-- 
Christopher Browne
cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca
University of Ottawa
Master of System Science Program
Xref: sparky alt.folklore.computers:11051 comp.sys.tandy:1212
From: 9125113g@lux.latrobe.edu.au (Mitch Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.sys.tandy
Subject: TRS-80 Model I tapes
Summary: Wanted: Someone to send me a TRS-80 Model I tape
Keywords: TRS-80 TAPE MODEL_I
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:15:58 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University

In article <1992Jul22.231225.29067@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> 9125113g@lux.latrobe.edu.au (Mitch Davis) writes:
>Dear All:
>
>I am planning to write a program for the IBM which reads TRS-80 cassette
>tapes.

Thanks to all those people who replied.  Note that I forgot to say
_which_ TRS-80!  I meant the Model I tapes.

Mitch.

BTW, Thanks to all those people who _drowned_ me with info and support
for Cosmic Fighter!
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: bernie@metapro.DIALix.oz.au (Bernd Felsche)
Subject: Re: Americans who can't spell
Organization: MetaPro Systems, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 09:14:03 GMT

In <1992Jul22.113344.11488@public.sub.org>
   peterk@public.sub.org (Peter Kittel) writes:

>grog@adagio.UUCP (Greg Lehey) writes:
>>I only work from 2 to 6, sometimes on a 7, but never on a 1.

>Huch? You work from tuesday to saturday, but never on a monday???
>You see, this is also special for Germany (and for other countries
>perhaps also?): The first day of a week is defined the monday, *not*
>sunday like in US. This is an *official* definition.

It also allows day 0 :-) to mean a day of nothing.... 

Don't know if officials in Germany would be confused by day 0.
You might like to give it a try. Then again, maybe not.
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Re: IBM vs. world terminology (was: What does dd stand for?)
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:31:20 GMT

jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) writes:

>ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thomas Koenig) writes:

>>Why is it that MVS terminology is so different from the rest of the
>>world? Look at a few examples:

>>file		dataset

>And how long as "file" been the only acceptable term?  "data set" dates 
>back at least to the early development of the S/360 operating systems
>around 1960 or so.  Standard terminology wasn't as well defined back then,

Ah, but what about when they introduced the PS/2 to an unsuspecting world?
The entire PC community _had_ well defined terminology, but Itty Bitty Minds
had to come up with new terminology - or at least introduce dinosaur-speak.

Why else would they insist on calling a motherboard a 'System Planar Board'
Like I really care what it's geometry is?

PC-Tech Journal or one of those magazines had a column on how to translate
IBM speak into the language of the micro community.

Paul "I've got a system Moiebus Strip board" Tomblin
-- 
Paul Tomblin, pt@geovision.gvc.com or {uunet,revcan}!geovision!pt
(This is not an official opinion of GeoVision Systems Inc.)
"We are like butterflies who flutter for a day and think it is forever"
    --  Carl Sagan
From: grog@adagio.UUCP (Greg Lehey)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: IBM vs. world terminology (was: What does dd stand for?)
Date: 28 Jul 92 07:57:37 GMT
Organization: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, W-6324 Feldatal, Germany

In article <jcmorris.712248190@mwunix> jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) writes:
>ecmtwhk@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thomas Koenig) writes:
>>disk		DASD

I was only briefly exposed to MVS round 15 years ago, and so have been
able to recover most of my sanity. But my recollection was that we
called disks disks.

>
>>formatting	DASDi
>
>DASDI == "DASD Initialization".  This is *not* the same as formatting;

correct, one of the things you had to tell the system when allocating
files was what format they should have. *Then* the system would go out
and format the parts of the disk you had allocated in the form you
wanted. Great for OLTP.

>>core dump	abend
>
>Not the same.  An abend (ABnormal END) is an externally-forced abort of
>a process (cf. what you get with ^C or CTRL-BREAK).  An abend may or may
>not generate a core dump, depending on the reason for the abend and
>whether or not the user has requested that a dump be taken.

Specifically, you had to have a DD card for either SYSUDUMP or
SYSABEND - the later gave you a more complete dump (``egad, how shrill
yon varlet's cry/as sixteen megabytes fly by/in yet another dump'').
Certainly an external event wasn't the only way to get one of these
piles of paper: most exceptions would do the same thing. And I could
have sworn that there was an SVC to abend your program.

-- 
Greg Lehey                       | Tel: +49-6637-1488              
LEMIS                            | Fax: +49-6637-1489
Schellnhausen 2, W-6324 Feldatal, Germany
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From: greg@Quotron.COM (Greg "Maddog" Knauss)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Cloned computers
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:07:35 GMT
Organization: Quotron System, Inc.

The recent talk of various Tandy clones made me wonder how much hardware
has been knocked-off over the years.  These are the ones I know of:

Original			Clones
------------------------------- -------------------------------
IBM (PC/AT/etc.)		[Billions and billions...]
Apple II(+/e/c)			Franklin (1000/1200), Laser 128
Tandy Color Computer		Dragon 32
Tandy TRS-80			Video Genie
Macintosh			[Rumored.  Asian and American.]

Anything else?
--
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Greg "Maddog" Knauss                      My boss doesn't know I'm doing this,
 greg@duke.quotron.com                           so I doubt he'd agree with me.
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Subject: Re: You know you've been hacking too long...
Keywords: workstation, hacking, risks
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:18:29 GMT

In article <ghoast.712366660@hal> ghoast@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Devin
Jones) writes:

>That's all fine and wonderful, but get this:  not only do I have a watch that 
>is in 24 hr mode, but it's -analog-.  Beat that.

OK.  My wife just picked up a "digital analog" watch.  Let's see
whether I can describe this thing.  It has a round face with numbers 1
to 12 at the usual positions.  Instead of hands, it has 60 LCD lines
radiating from the center, each of which can light up partway out or
all the way.  The minute is shown by the line lit all the way, like
the long hand of a clock, and the hour is shown by a line lit partway,
and the "hour hand" "advances" one line every 12 minutes, showing a
position roughly like the hands of an analog clock's hour hand.

You all want to know whether it comes in a 24-hour model?  Beats me.
What do you want for two dollars?

--Joe Brennan

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: andersa@Riga.DoCS.UU.SE (Anders Andersson)
Subject: Re: Computer Relics (Was: 9 track data storage?)
Organization: Uppsala University, Sweden
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 04:07:18 GMT

In article <1640@hsdndev.UUCP>, dsands@binoc.bih.harvard.edu (Daniel Zev Sands) writes:
> load.  Just to make things even riskier, the electromechanical reader
> frequently misread.  But the din of that noisy reader and the puncher
> was nothing compared with the racket of the teletypes themselves.

A few days ago I visited a textile factory with plenty of Jacquard
looms in active use.  How about that for card reader noise?
>POW< >POW< >CHI-KA< >CHI-KA< >POW< >POW< >CHI-KA< >CHI-KA<...
--
Anders Andersson, Dept. of Computer Systems, Uppsala University
Paper Mail: Box 520, S-751 20 UPPSALA, Sweden
Phone: +46 18 183170   EMail: andersa@DoCS.UU.SE
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: uad1077@dircon.co.uk (Ian Kemmish)
Subject: Re: 9 track data storage???????????????READ/NEW/FOLLOWUP
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:45:00 GMT

gerrit@isgtec.com (Gerrit Visser) writes:

>lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>: I have heard of apocryphal stories about FastRand drums getting loose while 
>: spinning and mowing down whatever was in its path.  Anyone out there
>: can relate to a specific story?
>: 
>: cjl
>
>
>The drums turned at 330 RPM (or was it 300 RPM).  It took about 1/2
>hour to get them up to speed.  Each drum (there were 2 one above the
>other) had a 3 phase direct drive motor.
>--

For those who haven't yet got a copy (why not?!?), Stan Kelly-Bootle's
`Devil's DP Dictionary' defines magnetic drum as  `a device for
storing angular momentum'.

-- 
Ian D. Kemmish                    Tel. +44 767 601 361
18 Durham Close                   uad1077@dircon.co.uk
Biggleswade                       uknet!dircon!uad1077
Beds SG18 8HZ United Kingdom
From: kst@telesoft.com (Keith Thompson @pulsar)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: You know you've been hacking too long...
Keywords: workstation, hacking, risks
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:04:56 GMT
Organization: TeleSoft, San Diego, CA, USA

In article <1992Jul23.152757.1506@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> gudjm@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (D John McKenna) writes:
> [...]
> Just out of curiosity... out of all of you hackers who wear a digital
> watch, how many have it in 24 hour mode?

The one on my right wrist (with the scientific and hex calculators) is
in 24-hour mode, and the one on my left wrist (with the phone
directory) is in 12-hour mode.

Some people have literally screamed when they've suddenly noticed that
I'm wearing two watches.
-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith)  kst@telesoft.com
TeleSoft, 5959 Cornerstone Court West, San Diego, CA, 92121-9891
"Listen to me, people!  We must stick them with quills -- it's the only way!"
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: paulf@w6yx (Paul Flaherty)
Subject: Re: SUN == "San University Net|Node"?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:30:43 GMT

SUN :== Stanford University Network project, out which came Sun, SGI, and
Cisco.

--
-=Paul Flaherty, N9FZX/5W1JX  |"Anyway, nothing can beat Good Old American
->paulf@Stanford.EDU          | Know - How." -- Harry Canyon, _Heavy Metal_
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: neeri@iis.ethz.ch (Matthias Neeracher)
Subject: Re: And what about this DogCow business ? ( moof! )
Organization: Integrated Systems Laboratory, ETH, Zurich
	<BrwGDL.174@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:15:24 GMT

In article <BrwGDL.174@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Upholder@uiuc.edu (THE Upholder of Truth) writes:
>jon%vector0.UUCP@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Dazed N. Confused) writes:
>
>>willem@pub2.bu.edu (Willem van der Oord) writes:
>
>>> Also, in some versions of the MacOS (less than 7, 6.0.7?) if you hold
>>> down the option key while selecting About the Finder, you will see
>>> the original picture of mountains that came with Finder 1.0.  If you
>>> wait long enough Clarus will appear and say "Moof!" every once in a
>>> while.
>
>>     So that's why everything in the Mac world is so bloated.  So
>>many damned easter eggs.
>
>Well, the easter eggs and the 160,000 managers.. (has anyone done anything
>productive with the vertical retrace manager?  anyone?)

I have, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. (Messing around with the mouse is a
good example). And you can hardly blame the vertical retrace manager for any
"bloat".

Matthias

-----
Matthias Neeracher                                      neeri@iis.ethz.ch
  "Rock and Roll adolescent hoodlums storm the streets of all nations."
                            -- William Burroughs, _The Naked Lunch_
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