From: eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun)
Subject: Re: prophesies
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:55:58 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
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>>root@expert.cc.purdue.edu (adamsma@expert.cc.purdue.edu) writes:
: 
:>     In my dealings with Christians, they always bring up the,
: > 
: >      "Well, Jesus fulfilled 200+ jewish prophecies, so he must be who
: >       he says he was."
: > 
: >       I have better ways to spend my time than reading the bible, but what
: > is a good response to this claim? I find it interesting that the jews,
: > who were waiting for a messiah, didn't think Jesus was the real thing.

: >      Dana
: 
: 
>>: Dana,
: 	
: I'm one of those  Christians.  I don't know why you are so driven to prove
: Jesus was not the Christ, but I want to encourage you to continue in your 
: quest.  Many Christians today became Christians because they set out to 
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: prove Jesus was not who He says He was.<<
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I seriously doubt that! Perhaps by disproving that this alleged messiah was
not "divine" nor "son of God" perhaps by proving that he was merely a "man"
with a high concentrated ego Christianity has no claim to credibility.
Disproving the divinity of your messiah is realizing that for at least a
thousand years you have been living a LIE!


 
>>: Remember this though: 
>> whether or not you believe doesn't change the fact that
>>: Jesus is the Son of God.  He did die for your sins, and He loves you. <<

Anyone can delude themselves to believe anything they want. But, to make a
sweeping statement of "fact" is not only naive but down right Stupid!

Christianity seems to have been spawned out of anger. 
"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother and wife and
children and brethren and sisters, yea and his own life also, he cannot be
my disciple" [Luke 13,v.26]

Besides it seems that it was intended for a homosexual following as this
messiah never had any other apostles except men. Any woman that followed was
no more than what today is recognized as a "fag hag" which is a woman that
follows homosexual men in adoration without any concern of their own
development whether to be gay or straight.

This malarky of "love" is overrated! There has been more ignorant useless
wars in the name of love or minding other people's business by the Christian
than Asshurbanipal thought to humble his neighbours. 
The difference between the Christian and the Pagan seems to have been their
hypocracy. They never admit that their subjigation is for their ultimate
self gratification or greed!


 
: 
>>: Please don't think that I have a I'm-better-than-you attutide.  I'm not.  
: Jesus died for me as well.<<
 
So did Socrates, Osiris, Prometheus, and a thousand other steroetype
messiahs that history recorded long before Paul decided to make a
Greco-Israelite religion called Christianity riping off everybody else's
ideas and calling it their own.

Christianity >is< a FALSE religion. Based on hypocracy, politics and self
agrandisement. It is fanatical and in the end, through their mental
masturbation screws up your mind with moot, unarguable paradoxes that hold
their root in "belief". Well, hell, if you want to "believe" that your
computer is "god" and that it has come into being so "save" your
soul....COOL! but don't expect everybody to buy that just because you said
it was so.

Words have a way to be easily misinterpreted, mislead and confuse a lot of
people. The Testaments that Christians use are a translation of a
translation etc. Few are they that can read Hebrew let alone understand it
to grasp the slighted metaphor of the Old Testament. Even less can read
classical Greek which the original, alleged new testament were written in.
Most people base their "truths" to cinematographic epics, or novels that
glorify a passivity that is foreign both to the Jew and Christian. 

No, there was no one who made any such sacrifice. For if you understand the
metaphor intended this alleged sacrifice was to release humanity of original
sin from adam eating the apple with his wife that cursed mankind and set
them to be (if only adam and eve were the first man and woman made ;-)] a
generation of motherfuckers!

Come on now, wake up! Spout your snivelling sanctimonious garbage on
Alt.Christian maybe they'll buy it. But from what I understand alt.christian
is moderated which means that they prefer to keep fanatics the like of you
well under control!


>>: I have been suicidal and into pornography,....<<

Oh, really???? How cool. Maybe it's time you graduated and start doing some
of that which your voyeurism has taught you...hmmmmmmn?
There is certainly no *need* for you to kill yourself. Life is an exciting,
scintillating experience. The only problem is that you have to "come out" of
your shell.  

If we were to meet, I could open doors that you never dreamt existed! And in
the end you'll look back only to see that the prophets and messiahs were no
more than a figment no less than a pillar of salt could define. ;-)

>>: But He still loves me.  He has brought peace to my life.  I hope you'll let Him do the same for you. If I can help, let me know.
: 
: Sincerely,
: 
: Mark<<

I doubt that! For you still have that gnawing desire within you...;-)
"To have a need, and to deny it is to create desire.....
To have desire and to supress it, it to create neurosis....."

The blind cannot lead the blind, less they kill themselves in their own
stumbling... before you can hope to find so comfortable a companion, perhaps
it is you who should eat of that fruit of knowledge for in the days you eat
of that fruit, and its reality, you may be as godssssssss...

Knowing the truth, and the difference between good and evil and know that
your messianic desires was brought on by the fact that you were not loved at
all.


Eshin-Fun

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