From: arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Re: Stuck Sparge
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:50:33 GMT
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 Article 4489 (10 more) in rec.crafts.brewing:
 From: richardg@cheesewiz.Corp.Sun.COM (Richard Goldstein)
 Subject: Re: Stuck Sparge
 
 >Why is it you always seem to need to get the last word in? 
 And even if you are right, why do you want to gloat?
 
 It's not a question of gloating.  It's what it takes to get 
 through the static.
 
 > Two wrongs still don't make a right.
 
 I wasn't aware of any wrongs.  Why can't you just accept my 
 opinion for what it is... just another opinion.  Because it 
 happens to be the minority does not make it wrong or right 
 for that matter.
 
 >I received Easy Mash from you several months ago. To be 
 honest, I didn't think it was so easy, given the 
 modifications, etc. 
 
 Well, I have posted it several times and each time I edited 
 it to include suggestions made by readers.  Furthermore, I 
 am not offended if you don't happen to think EASYMASH is 
 easy.  It's simply there for those who want to try a fresh 
 approach.  I don't happen to think drilling a zillion holes 
 in a plastic bucket is particularly easy but so what?
 
 What really bothers me is that not one person who has 
 criticized it has actually tried it.  They just criticize it 
 because it's fun to bash JS.  It's good for the weak egos 
 out there who have been doing something for years and are 
 too hide bound to even contemplate someone else doing it 
 differently.
 
 >I also see a paradox in your general demeanor, Jack. You 
 seem to advise people to question orthodoxy, yet Easy Mash 
 requires very specific procedures, etc.
 
 That is nonsense.  I know of no way of making anything 
 without specific procedures.  It would be pretty silly if we 
 ended up with a chocolate cake if we started out to make 
 beer.  EASYMASH is easy because the equipment required is 
 easy to assemble and is the same piece of equipment that 
 extract brewers could use to avoid all the problems of hops 
 and grain gumming up the works.
 
 > And anyone who tries it but doesn't like it can be blamed 
 for not following the instructions EXACTLY.
 
 Anyone who tries is but doesn't like it is free to express 
 any thoughts he wishes.  If he should post his results to 
 the group, YOU can blame him for whatever you like.  That is 
 your problem, not mine.
 
 >I have tried several of Mr. Stueven's beers, and they are 
 generally very good to excellent. I also know that he has an 
 open mind about taking suggestions and looking at ways of 
 improving his beers. He was looking for advice, not for an 
 ad campaign. 
 
 He got a concrete suggestion for a solution to his problem.  
 I offer no more.  I am not interested in psychoanalysis.
 
 >What especially turned me off, and I presume Richard as 
 well, was the arrogant tone of your reply.
 
 You are responsible for your own emotions not me.  
 
 > You didn't have _A_ solution, you had _THE_ solution. 
 
 That is how YOU chose to interpret my suggestion.  
 
 >Hubris is not an attractive trait.
 
 Neither is bigotry.
 
 js