HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Me too me too! (Re: motss.com)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:49:37 GMT

Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

>p.p.s. looking for carpooling to and from teh March on Washington,
>as well as crash space IN washinton

Me too! Anyone driving through Omaha?

(Ailsa: wanna be roomies? Promise I won't grope...)

--
John Dorrance    ** Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico **    thaaang@odin.unomaha.edu

		I always thought of you as my brick wall
		   Built like an angel, six feet tall.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: mandatory service (was Re: Metzenbaum introduces Senate bill to end military ban)
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 11:55:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.190409.9071@news.ysu.edu> ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) writes:
|In a previous article, shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) says:
|> I, personally,
|>would like to dump you on 63rd St. in Chicago and watch
|>you tell people there that they're either lazy or loosers
|>[sic].

|Me going and getting my ass kick by a bunch of losers will not change the'
|fasct that they are losers.

Thanks so much for providing a context for your previous
comments.
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 15 Aug 92 18:42:19 GMT

bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:

[The rest was pretty bad but this..]

>3.  Because the more feminine gays feel that if they have to go
>    through life being immediately identified as gay and ostracized
>    for it, then goddammit, so should everybody else

Oh gawd. Oh my gawd. This is so ....this...this...

Bob, as a, what you would instantly call, feminine gay (and baby, I'm
goooood at it) I pity you. I pity you, for being so damaged that you
could imagine that this whole group of people would wish to do unto
others what was done unto them.

I try to picture myself: "I'd like everyone to feel the ostracization I
did, so I'll do something about it."

I try to picture someone thinking this of me, so evil, so cold.








I think I need a hug.
							FJ!!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: name the similarity [game!]
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 04:55:16 GMT

George Dalton Madison (Furr@cup.portal.com) wrote:
 
> Nelson Minar writes:
> >ObDish: What's there in common between Sim Aberson and Robert Coren?
> 
> Aside from the fact they both have facial hair?  ;-)

The letters 'b', 'e', 'r', 'o', and 'n'?

[I'll leave it to brother Rog to do the clueing.]

> [Y'all were *expecting* this comment -- I couldn't let you down.]

--jns  [It *was* a relief, George.]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:47:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.182110.2986@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
>> I have met many gay men, handsome, masculine, and closeted--and they will
>> probably stay that way forever.  Why?  Because the once-a-year trip to a gay
>> function or gay bar reinforces their fears of being surrounded by nelly,
>> campy gays that are embarassing and fringe radicals.

Sorta makes you wish there was a private hell for this guy called
"Michael's Birthday Party" with Emory as his date.

Tell me, "Bob": do you prefer KY jelly, Probe, Wet, or just spit
when you raise your legs up?  Or do you like it better lying on
your stomach?
-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: re: sarcasm
Summary: sarcasm flag, no!
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:39:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Aug20.013907.17135
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: out in linguistics, etc.

no, we do *not* need a sarcasm flag.  (this has been pointed out
several times by several people: rob?  melinda?  henry?  jack
hamilton?  arne?  ??)

*labeling* something as sarcasm utterly undercuts the effect.  the
whole point about sarcasm is that it's risky; it depends on your
hearer getting the literal meaning and then seeing that you can't mean
*that* so you must mean something else and working out what that other
thing must be.  your hearer has to do some interpretive work, and that
work *is* the effect.

some people don't realize they have work to do.  some are too lazy to
bother.  some don't do the right thing.  so not everyone gets it.  if
you want to be sure they get your drift, then use *REAL* *CLEAR*
*LANGUAGE*.  if you want to get the extra effect of sarcasm, then
be prepared for various kinds of failures.

arnold (who plays a linguist in real life)
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay vegetarians anonymous (was, be kind to small furry animals)
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:08:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug20.200844.18753
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

I can't imagine this is possibly interesting to anyone on soc.motss,
but if I'm asked a direct question my egotistical nature requires that
I respond..

In article <1992Aug20.141127.8608@osf.org> coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.215833.10537@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>> If it wiggled, I won't eat it.
>Just out of idle curiosity, does this include spermatozoa?

idle?

No, it does not include spermatozoa. I don't care if the little guys
die in my stomach, and oh *my* how I like to eat them. And I have done
so since I declared my vegetarianism.

Unfortunately, I do not eat spermatozoa. I resent the hell out of it,
but it really doesn't seem like it's a good idea - the few figures we
have on that transmission vector for HIV are not encouraging.

And Jess asks:
>Will you wear on your feet or (better yet) on your whole body the skin
>of once-wigglies whose flesh (cooked or raw) you would not eat?

Guiltily. I do my best to avoid buying leather, but there are some
things that just really need to be leather. Shoes, mainly. Fortunately
I don't wear those too often.

And who'd want a vinyl ball parachute?
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/   You're free, so anything could happen, so happy birthday
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: doretta@agora.uucp (Doretta Schrock)
Subject: Re: Credit Union Memberships for Domestic Partners?
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:58:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.185753.9524@uoft02.utoledo.edu> gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart) writes:
>
>     As a founding member of a FEDERALly charter credit union, and having just
>checked with my FEDERAL campus credit union, I am absolutely certain that there
>is NO RESTRICTION against accepting a "domestic partner" as a member IF AND
>ONLY IF the charter of the federal credit union refers to HOUSEHOLDS instead of
>families.
>
>
>     NOTHING in federal law says that credit unions have to be linked by
>employment.  There are credit unions based on College Students,  Religious	
>membership,  Food Co-ops,  Professional organizations,  Residents of certain
>neighborhoods, as well as place of employment.
>
>UPSHOT:  If they cannot produce "the law" that they are "quoting", then hold
>         them to the point of producing the text that they claim ties their 
>         hands!
>
Thanks for the info but you seem to be suffering from a serious misapprehension
in this case.  They aren't claiming there are any laws against them allowing
domestic partners as members nor that all credit unions are employment based.
I'm not sure where you got that idea.  The point is that the particular charter
of this particular CU includes membership based on employument or being related
to someone who meets the employment rule.  I presume that the board of directors
is responsible for changes in the charter or its interpretation.  So it makes
sense that what they told me to do was write to the BOD.  All I'm looking for
is things I can say to them in support of the idea that they *should* include
domestic partners.

Doretta
doretta@agora.rain.com

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: TheVoice, Mutual Admiration Societies, what have you (was Re: redefining masculinity)
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 09:27:41 GMT

arne adolphson (adolphso@mizar.usc.edu) thinking
he can out do *my* flattery, has another
think coming, or else he's forgotten *everything*
he learned the last time he stood me up for a date:
 
> jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
> > arne adolphson (adolphso@mizar.usc.edu) accuses 
> > *me* of being voice-ist [almost]:
> 
> I did nothing of the sort!

I was simply suggesting that you check for
internalized voicephobic tendencies, hon.

> Whiney and nasal?  That's what *my* voice sounds like.  To me it
> does, anyway.  Your voice is really delightful -- melodious, pitched
> well, clear-toned.

Well, obviously I can't cut this out or it would
destroy the context of the conversation, wouldn't
it.  I mean, I wouldn't want anyone to think that
I leave it in merely to be self serving.

[References to just how wonderful Jack Hamilton's
 whiff of bluegrass is I *can* cut out, however.]

> *Euphonious*?!  Well, thank you.

Precisely.  The delight of rippling peals, cascades
of bell tones, travelling from a distant carillon
across mountain valleys drenched in the flush of
spring flowering, fed and refreshed by streams of
melting glacial waters.

> Euphonious?

Anything you can sing, I can sing LOUDER....

[ObEthelMerman, that]

> I, too, am interested in it.  And yes, you do demonstrate it.

[Oh, joy!  I've got TheVoice!]

> I have a gay friend who's absolutely *hopeless* at TheVoice.
> Curious.

I knew I was in years ago when I accidentally and
spontaneously let escape my first fag shriek.  It
was an epiphany.

> I suppose you're right about pitch.  Just listen to Harvey 
> Fierstein.  ....

So there!  What?  You want your voice to sound *deep*
and *husky* like Harvey's?

I think we really need to get some more opinions here on
what constitutes TheVoice.  Arnold's already made the case
that it's a comples phenomenon.

This doesn't keep me from sharing my favorite movie line,
thought, since you brought it up: "I'd hang you from the
nipples, but it would shock the children".   It's hard to
work into everyday conversation though.

> I talk much faster when I'm doing that kind of thing, and I know 
> I do all sorts of things with emphasis and rhythm and modulation, 
> but I'm not exactly sure what it is that I do with them.

Yes.  And given how much most of us hate the sound of
our voice, I suspect that trying to observe our own
use of TheVoice is not going to be terribly helpful.

> I know, I know.  Nothing's wrong with TheVoice.  And I like it
> from other men.  It's just that sometimes I wish I sounded like,
> I don't know, Yul Brynner rather than Franklin Pangborn.  Although 
> something tells me I would have had more fun talking to Frankie 
> than to Yul.  Maybe I should join a gym and muscle up and forget 
> about vocal coaches?

Uh oh.  *Now* we're going to have to work on your
body-ist problems.  Honestly, Arne dear, you're a
walking internal phobicopia.

--jns
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: sexist heterosexists (was Re: mandatory service)
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:53:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug13.215305.8471
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

Warning - this post is nothing but a flame. I'm in a bad mood today
anyway, and this person is really bugging me.

In article <1992Aug13.191528.14774@news.ysu.edu> ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller) writes:
>Gee, Melinda, you speak pig...is it your native language?

no, but it seems to be yours.

[Kelley writes a picture of heterosexual male bliss shattered by the
evils of the draft]

[Nelson says "gee, I'm a faggot, I doubt I'll ever be a blissful
heterosexual male]

[Melinda says
>>AAAAAAAGH!!!!  AAAAAGH!!!  AAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!
which, if you have half a clue you will realize is Melinda's own way
of indicating her frustration when someone forgets that women exist.]

Kelley again:
>Read the entire post, Melinda.  I'm illustrating that the draft is wrong, 
>regardless of the gender or marital status.

Kelley, honey, look. You've said your little piece about the draft
again and again. We all know you think it's bad.

This is a forum where queer men and women are discussing their lives
and how things (like a draft) affect them. But you come in here, and
you try to make some bizarre example case out of a heterosexual male.
Do you not understand how stupid this is in an audience with a lot of
people who are not male and/or are not heterosexual?

And fix your fucking news software. You're completely mangling the
very unhappy.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/        It's a sky blue sky, the satellites are out tonight
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: need good bible arguments AGAINST the anti-gay passages
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:04:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug22.040415.7357
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Aug22.030829.6946@cis.ohio-state.edu> amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>carlton@scws1.harvard.edu (david carlton) writes, about peter gomes,
>undoing homophobic wielders of the bible, in the new york times:
> >And, one might add, he is gay.
>pleased as i am to hear that excellent people are queer, i am
>always a bit saddened to hear "and (s)he is gay" appended right
>after someone's defense of our rights, as if only queers would stand
>up for them.  

OK, "and, one might add, he is black".  But it's his sexual orientation
which makes Gomes both courageous and newsworthy, having come out publically
last year in response to a gay-bashing/baiting article in one of Harvard's neo-
conservative bird-cage liners.  Imagine the drama as he, and a number of
other faculty stood on the steps of Memorial Church, and stated that
they wouldn't stand for this, and by the way, they happened to be gay.
That the Plummer Professor of Christian Morals and Minister of Memorial
Church proclaimed this, and was even more warmly embraced by the university
at large, and that he follows this up with articles in the Crimson and the NYT
is definitely worth mentioning, even if it might produce a reaction like yours,
which misunderstands why David mentioned it.

The handful of troglodytes and yahoos were undone by the reaction of Gomes,
his colleagues, and the great majority of the Harvard community.  They tried
to raise a stink about the outrageousness of such an "unfit role model" in
his position, which is pretty ridiculous, since Gomes is about as prim, proper
and WASPish (really) as you can imagine, and someone who has been a exemplary
minister at Harvard for almost 20 years.  The Nazi youth crawled back under
their rocks (presumably they emerged briefly for the recent RNC.)



-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:54:52 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1w!ngm_.jfh@netcom.com> <l952icINN4p2@mizar.usc.edu>

adolphson whines:
>The gay community *I* was socialized into as a teenager was
>aggressively bitchy.

Sorry to hear it.

>Bitchiness, bitchy comments, are not
>necessarily hostile, you know.

Not if you're "socialized" to believe so.

>Well, no, some of you don't know.

Thank goodness for *that*.  It's too bad this realization
didn't strike earlier.  I hope you keep it in mind for the
future, before you fire off more "why is everyone so uptight"
garbage.
 
() Cynics are only happy in making the world as barren for
() others as they have made it for themselves.
()      -- George Meredith
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Jeans
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:36:10 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, ro@panix.com (r l reid) wrote:
>I *still* think these's a fortune to be made by one of the
>one of the "personal products" companies by butching up the
>packaging of mini-pads and coming up with a marketing strategy
>to sell them to men (the non-penis-challanged) to catch those last
>few drop of the famous rhyme.

SNL did a commercial for this product, Playtex Peenie Pads.  Jim Belushi
was in a restaurant with a woman, and asked to be excused.  He returned
from the bathroom with a spot on his pants.  The announcer said, "Does
this ever happen to you?"  The next time this does not happen.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Whizzzzzzz ( was Re: Introduction)
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:44:59 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) wrote:
> 
>  Bzzt. Too hot. How can you screw in heat like this?

When you live in it, you get used to it.  I'm not expert, but we could
ask our friends in say Atlanta, New Orleans, or Austin.  It does rain here
every afternoon, which affords the opportunity to run naked in the back
yard, and take it from there.

>  Why don't you come and chase *our* little numbers? There sure have been
>enough of them this year. 

Did that last year.  We only do that if nothing is happening here.
Unfortunately we decided not to go after Andrew.  The ones in the Pacific 
don't do anything interesting anyway.

>		Mike (who suspects that Sim might be trying to make
>		      fun of us, but is *certain* that he'd have the
>		      good taste to not make fun of our *horrible*
>		      *heatwave* from *hell*)

Some of us just call it summer.  It makes experiencing our warm winters 
*very* worthwhile.  And we don't even have smog.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 20 Aug 92 05:34:52 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens


   Wayne, looks around, oh.. what excellent company!

>Mlle dyer, mlle hughes, & mlle twpierce:

   Looks down,  ugh

In article <1992Aug20.012058.5470@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) apparently can't manage to see beyond his penis:

>  []
>There isn't a nickel's worth of difference between any of you and an
>actual woman; (of course there isn't; you like it that way).
>Given the choice, I'd still opt for a real lady instead of 
>any of you three "wannabe's".  Even I have *some* standards.

    So not only are you a homophobe, you're sexist to boot.  Charmless.
    I don't suppose the "real lady" gets a choice.  Even if her
    standards exclude you?

    But you're not really interested in conducting a discussion,
    since you didn't answer any of the excellent questions posed to
    you.  But that would require thinking, and that's not "masculine",
    is it "Bob"?

    Go away and come back in 10 years.

    Wayne

    
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: Discipl(in)e
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:45:52 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
	<1992Aug10.135619.12772@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>

ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
) anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
) >I hope you will endorse a little improvization on my part,
) >which I'd like to try out on Nelson and Robert, those
) >*EXTREMELY* *WICKED* *CHILDREN*, giving them not only the
) >Rod treatments you've taught us so well, but also taking
) >advantage of my own particular basement, which offers
) >unusually rich opportunities for Arachnid Corrective
) >Therapy.  
)
) You are Kruel and Hartless.  This is good.  The *WICKED* *BOYS*
) will be well disciplined in your hands.  

Dammit, I want to be punished only by Grandmama KKruella herself.
No substitutes will do.

Oops, I've defied Grandmama and her deputy.  That deservers
punishment---from both of them.  I'm just asking for it, amn't I.
________________
George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Arsenio
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 13:12:27 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards):
> It was definitely tacky and stupid. I was disappointed.

i hope the model called to let him know what as asshole
he is.  personally, the man stands for buying into the
American dream in my personal opinion.  he used to be
brilliantly funny before he got his own show.  now, well,
i can read the newspaper on my own.
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Rob Bernardo
Date: 15 Aug 1992 00:44:33 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

Although occasioned by Rob Bernardo's death, this is really
about me.  And by me I mean real.life.arne, not my evil twin
soc.motss.arne.  I've resisted writing a tribute, or memorial, 
or remembrance until now because we never met each other in 
person, and because we did nothing but argue with each other 
on the net and in email.  Anything I might choose to write about
him, I thought, would be self-serving, opportunistic.  But I've 
been so depressed that I feel it necessary to write *something*.  
I know Rob would have hated this, but then I think he hated 
everything I ever wrote on soc.motss.

If Rob wasn't the very first -- and I think he was -- he was
one of the first soc.motss regulars I recognized as an
individual when I first started reading motss slightly over
a year ago.  I would be lying if I said that I read
everything or even most of what he wrote, but that really
doesn't matter.  Rob quickly became part of my family.  And
I mean that literally.  

Nothing I can think to say seems right, and I don't know where
to go from here.  Rob *was* soc.motss and I miss having him
here more than I can say.

Arne
From: lewisg@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (TEMPORARILY METABOLICALLY ENABLED)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re:wearing symbols(meaning)
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:18:24 EST

question: would someone please explain to me what it is that the pink triangle
and the rainbow colors signify....I am the proud owner of a fine pink triangle
but am not certain what exactly these things mean other than the obvious being
ones persuasion! I would appreciate any education I can get...thanx!
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:50:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.172808.1382@microsoft.com>, bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
> However, if you pop over the .politics, you will see me going head to head
> against Clayton.  

Look, everybody!  It's a butch!  It's a butch!
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu