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From: kdc5072@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.D. Colagio)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Altruism
Date: 8 Nov 92 17:24:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: ultb.1992Nov8.172457.7936
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: kdc5072@ultb

Muffy Barkocy writes:
->Graham Toal writes:
->> Altruism is mainly self-deception about motives coupled with enlightened
->> self-interest.  There's nothing wrong with it but admit to yourself that
->> your motives are purely selfish even if the results *are* for the
->> betterment of society.
->
->I do admit that, but that's why I won't call myself an altruist...
->*grin*.  No matter how much work I do to improve society, it's *my*
->society so it's going to benefit me.  It's a rough life...*grin*...
->
->Back to altruism: the philosophy teacher says that Gandhi will go into
->altruism in a big way, and Gandhi's up next.  Thoreau (who we just
->finished with) seems to be a bit down on altruism:
->
hmmm...just really started reading this thread (wasn't interested in the
'two men' thread) so I am starting behind the 8-ball...but....

What about someone who helps others purely for the others sake?  Does this
fall under altruist actions?  Let me give an example...

    Helping to point out the things that make life worth living so that 
    someone does not commit suicide.

    Helping someone come to terms with their bi/homo-sexuality, so that they
    can be the person that is them, and not what others want.

I have one both of these (and other things) with no self interest in mind,
but rather to help the other person.  Does this lower the way that people
perceive me?  So far, most people think this shows more to me than to those
who are selfish (yes, friends (and enemies) have told me this...) so how can
helping someone in an unselfish manner hurt either party (assuming the help
is to a moderate level...)?

hmmm...maybe I should backtrack to the other posts...but I don't think we
have them...sigh...

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From: sa121@cl.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Subject: Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals...
Reply-To: sa121@phx.cam.ac.uk (S. Arrowsmith)
Organization: Surrealists against Lobsters
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:35:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.124902.4725@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>
>what "raving bisexuality" looked like when it was home, and Kay supplied
>details (drinking tea while curled up in front of the fire was about
>the gist of it).
>
Well, that's all very well, and quite nice it sounds too, but what does
raving bisexuality do when it's *not* at home????
--
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                      | folk....     |"I like to be liked" -- Peter Gabriel
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: more out at work
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:17:31
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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Well, the leather jacket is in the shop for repair and refurbishing, so
I'm back to the old (black) jean jacket.  Rediscovered my buttons.  I
decided to attach my (triangular) freedom rings to it - I have them
arranged in a nice row along the left pocket.

The receptionist asked where I got them (she already knew what they
were).  One of the other admin people was there and wanted to know what
they were.  No other responses so far, but people *are* noticing...
*smile*.

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                               muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
~Weavers' fingers flying on the loom/patterns shift too fast to be
 discerned/all these years of thinking/ended up like this/in front
 of all this beauty/understanding nothing~ - Bruce Cockburn
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From: kdc5072@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.D. Colagio)
Subject: Re: Time (Was: Family Values (long))
Originator: kdc5072@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:20:57 GMT

Vashti Galpin writes:
->David Parsons writes:
->>                ____
->>  david parsons \bi/ "Purity 45% and falling"
->>                 \/
->
->Why is your purity 45% and falling. I take it that this has something to
->do with the mysterious purity test. Can anyone tell me what this is?
->
Well...since you asked...

The purity test is a series of questions (much like a test, go figure 8*) )
which was/is designed to fin out how pure you are.  If you (or anyone else)
is interested in a copy, send me mail...I have about 15 different
versions.

ob-flirt...My purity level is about 53%...anyone want to help lower it? ;*)

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From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: This has probably already been asked...
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:12:36 GMT

In article <dbarber.721164647@crash.cts.com>
dbarber@crash.cts.com (David C. Barber) writes:
>Why is the lack of acceptance from the gays as bad as the lack of
>acceptance from the hets?

As an analogy: hurt often hurts more if it comes from a friend or
family member rather than from a stranger.

So, as a bisexual person, I can expect to get shit from straight people.
To me, the straight people are "strangers" in the analogy. When a GL
person (who are "family") gives me shit, it hurts much more than
*comparable* [1] shit from a straight person.

-----------
footnote[1] "Comparable" is the key word here. I have reveived
verbal abuse and rejection from both straight and GL people and that is
"comparable". But I don't expect a GL person to want to do me physical
harm.


Ciaran.
-- 
---- Ciaran McHale (cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie)
\bi/ Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.
 \/  Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-6772204
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From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals...
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:16:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.124902.4725@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>In <Bx5wpp.HyM@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk
>(the Crisco Kid) writes:
>>Graham, dear, have you ever in your life heard me rave?
>
>I seem to remember an occasion, ages ago on soc.bi, when somebody asked
>what "raving bisexuality" looked like when it was home, and Kay supplied
>details (drinking tea while curled up in front of the fire was about
>the gist of it).

You are right, of course.  Though I seem to remember that choccy Digestive
biscuits came in to it somewhere...

>So there you have it: proof that Kay does rave. (When it comes to
>bisexuality anyway; I'm not so sure about astrology or tarot cards.)

But you must admit it's a very sedate and rational kind of raving.

			hugs,
			Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
From: fwi@cco.caltech.edu (Bill Irion)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: L.A. area bifolk dinner
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:04:03 GMT
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Hi all,

Sharon Snyder and I have organized a dinner for L.A. area bifolk
at a Pasadena restaurant tomorrow (Friday, Nov 6) at 7:30 pm.  If
you would like to come over, send me e-mail and I'll give you directions.

Sorry for the short notice.

Cheers, 
Bill


--
Bill Irion    fwi@cco.caltech.edu
"Good manners and bad breath will get you nowhere" - Elvis Costello
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From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: Re: my roomie
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:11:20 GMT

In article <1duu44INNt0f@cuda.add.itg.ti.com> winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js) writes:
>
>Bark like a dog for me!
>
Woof, woof.  pant pant.
growl.  pounce.  Now you have to kick me off of your leg. :)
>
>Care for permanent teeth mark on selected body parts?
>
I will reject almost nothing.:)

>
>Very Evident.  And Very Fun, Indeed. REAL e-sluts don't advertise.  they don't 
>*have* to.
>
I do not doubt David's sluthood.  I am sure if he claimed it he earned it.
>
>js
>.sig == "just learning the fine art of teasing"

If you need any willing subjects, well you have my e-address.

hugs and grovels :)
-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    
               SILENCE = DEATH    
This is not a black and white world,
to be alive I believe the colors must be swirled- Live.
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: purity technicalities (was Re: Time)
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:51:14
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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In-reply-to: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk's message of Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:18:03 GMT

In article <BxMAy4.HD@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>In article <BxKoLp.AK2@news.udel.edu> seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore) writes:
>>44 on the 400, but mid teens?!?  Again not to pry, but did anything include
>>animals? :>

>Animals?  But of course! (remember, technicalities count).  I'll not say
>more in a public forum.

I'll say more (though not about Kay).  Alan just mentioned our youngest
cat, Flame in a very nice post (thanks, Alan!  It was nice having you!),
and his (Flame's) conviction that anything moving under a blanket was a
small furry creature to be pounced on.  This can be (and has been) used
to get him to pounce on *anything* that might be under a blanket, with
interesting effects...*grin*.  He also likes to bite people's nipples,
especially if they're pierced.

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                               muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
~Weavers' fingers flying on the loom/patterns shift too fast to be
 discerned/all these years of thinking/ended up like this/in front
 of all this beauty/understanding nothing~ - Bruce Cockburn
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From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals...
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 01:58:47 GMT

pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) writes:
: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
: >I still think your signature is crazy.  You're saying "I'm the boy
: >without a non-existent thing", no?  Surely we're *all* without all
: >non-existent things...
: 
: It's from "Inject me" on "This is the Day... This is the Hour... This is
: THIS!" by Pop Will Eat Itself: "I'm the boy without a soul, no hot love,
: no worldly goal, inject me... cut the lights and shut the doors, use,
: abuse, take me I'm yours, inject me..."

Ooh yeah; the band into mental S&M ... that song from the same album
about sex by means of television is really way out there in an extreme
of something.  Not quite sure what, but it's certainly extreme ...
and as for "Not Now James, We're Busy", well .... 

: It sometimes crosses my mind that maybe the reason other people think
: that self-awareness is a big deal and I don't is because they're self
: aware and I'm not.  When I put this to them, it worries them.  There is
: some sense in there, but it's best explained over a pint.

Oh, I like the sound of that - the claim that you're not self-aware
(erm, what entity do you inspect to verify wheter or not "you" are
self-aware, Paul?), and the pint.  Keep me a barstool.

hugs
Mike, who digs Optimus Prime, not Galvatron, and The Leader Of The Pack,
and Da Do Ron Ron ...
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      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
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From: noid@nick.csh.rit.edu (ky "$120" hall)
Subject: Re: tackling the bible
Organization: Computer Science House @ RIT
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:04:45 GMT

In article <CRABTREE.92Nov4162720@drivem.enet.dec.com> crabtree@cookie.enet.dec.com (Pedalin' Faith) writes:
>
>A while back, someone - I believe it was Elf! - had a wonderful and informative
>posting listing out counter-arguments and citing references against the 
>bible-bangers' "homosexuality is a sin" attack.
>
>For example, one of the things it mentioned was that the bible says it's also
>a no-no to wear clothing woven of two different cloths.
>
>Does anyone have a copy of that listing or any succint rebuttals and/or cited 
>support they would like to contribute to this defense?  
>
>I will gladly post a summary.
>
>Thanks
>
>- alyson
>
>--
>__________________________________________________________________________
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Alyson D. Crabtree           	    Internet: crabtree@cookie.enet.dec.com
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------


WARNING!!!    it has been my xperience that some to most of the Christians
	that i have argued with get all thier "Bible ammo" from the 
	New Testament and do not consider the old testament to be the TRUE
	word of God.   so to make effective combat you should take most
	of your ammo from there as well.

just some advance warning....

-simply noid


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From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: a tiny bit more out
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 18:35:49 GMT

 fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:

[Sarah]:
>>  If anyone asks, or it comes up in a discussion, I don't hide
>> it, but I don't ever wear pins or T-shirts or whatever to advertise my own
>> bisexual pride.  I am what I am and I'm damn happy about it.
>
> Wow. Someone else -- I was beginning to think I was the only person reading
>this group that wasn't constantly going around outing themselves to all and
>sundry. (okay, so that's an exaggeration, but that's the impression I get at
>times)

With that lycra, dear? And fondling all & sundry at floor-huggles instead of
just the motos? There are degrees of outing. I wear my silver honest-these-
two-androgynous-people-are-*just-holding-hands* badge, and people just say
"oh, pretty". Even my brass OUT triangle made from one of the coins from the
TV programme's opening credits gets that response. 

I haven't got a labrys or a pink triangle or even a black triangle - black
would be appropriate. I have the little triangular birthday cake badge from
Gayles and a uBIquitous T-shirt, but I like to make subtle, pretty statements
(like wearing an AIDS ribbon instead of a red poppy ;-).

I suppose I "advertise" to an extent, but I do it my way, saying "I'm Queer"
rather than "Yes, I'm another one of those perverts whom you might have
managed to miss in the streets".

But is there a point to all this? Probably not; it's just that everyone
presents themselves with the identifiers they want to use - silk shirts and
black Levi's, pretty dresses 'n' lipstick, coloured patchwork, lycra are
common fare in the bi set - and in the rest of our society. Badges just help
us be a litle more blatant if we don't have a motss partner.

> I'm not quite sure why this is the way I do things -- I suppose the best I can
>come up with is that my sexuality's never really been a part of my self-image
>that I particularly want to 'force' on people. Well, not so much force,
>perhaps, but for instance, I'm happpy to wander around juggling, and thus
>impose my juggler-ness on people, but I'd feel somewhat uncomfortable doing the
>same with the fact that I'm bi.

So, Fenthe, what about the "bi jongleur" sig?

Tanaqui
From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: wups!
Date: 12 Nov 1992 20:13:05 GMT
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In article <1992Nov11.185637.11738@ctp.com>, sthor@ctp.com (Sarah Thornburg) writes:
|> >Q:  how many of soc.biers are married?  just curious.
|> >
|> >js
|> 
|> I'm engaged - does that count?
|> (And the finace is bi also, although as far as I know, he doesn't read this
|> group) so if you count engaged, that makes 2 of us!
|> 
|> So we can hug each other together!
|> 
|> *Sarah*  :)
|> 

sure, why not.  

I think it's *grand* that you *both* are bi!
gets you past the understanding-curve, doesn't it?

*hugs* *hugs* *hugs*
js
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From: jhm@hourglas.UUCP (Jonathan Hulley-Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
Subject: Colorado Adresses ?
Date: 7 Nov 92 06:14:46 GMT
Organization: The Hourglass UNIX box

Could someone please post a list of companies based in Colorado and the 
relevent addresses ? Thanks.

Jonathan
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From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Women and I: An Explanation?
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 17:57:47 GMT

 mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
>: >Say, T, would a willing volunteer help?  [Mike makes his cilium super,
>: >hopefully to different effect from:]

[I reply thus]
>: Are you operating in English in those brackets? Or is this some nice new
>: analogue to Valspeak and jive: retro-hippy?

>As for my cilium, super or just regular, I'm sure some of our local
>Latin scholars can help out, even if linguam latinam nono habeo ...
>Kay, amongst others, is likely to have the necessary anatomical bilinguality.
>Alternately, check the etymology (or was it entomology?  I always
>forget :-) of superciliousness in your handy Funk and Wagnalls.

er, dear, I hold Latin at A level; it was the "hopefully to different effect
from" which baffled me, as I expected some reference to hair or something
later instead of retro-hippy opacity.

Tanaqui, acting all peeved in order to extract extra hugs |-)

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From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: Re: New Age Androgynous Bisexuals...
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:17:20 GMT

In article <BxLMqF.1CE@dcs.ed.ac.uk> pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) writes:
>
>As a card-carrying extremist, I beg to differ.  I fail to see why an
>accurate opinion should lie between extremes.

I understand the place of extremism under certain circumstances, but IMHO 
when consistently pursued, extremism ends up defeating its purpose.  It
pushes people away from the cause as opposed to bring people to the cause.
It can effectively create a discourse and feed that discourse, but not realistically take part in that discourse.  
Look at N. Ireland.  I do not condone the IRA's actions.  I abhor them.  But
they are forcing the British government to deal with the situation in NI.
They cannot realisitically take part in the talks which may result from their 
actions but they spurned them.  
Again look at Queer Nation and ACTUP!.  They have caused the nation to stand
up and look at the GLB condition and look at the AIDS crisis.  Because of their
extreme tactics, they cannot really take part in the governmental decisions which are being made, but they forced them.  Part of the situation results from
the way these groups are percieved.  An extremist group will carry a
history with it, a history which could possibly be transferred onto the 
cause which it represents.  This is happening on my campus.  People are starting
to think that all Queers are radical.  This does not help the perception of
GLB in society.  Extremism leads to the opposite reaction of extreme conservat-
ism or total rejection of the movement.  I feel that the most fundamental
social changes occur through the moderate wing of any movement;
the Martin Luther King, Jr.'s not the Malcolm X's.
Each hold their place, but each tactic must be evaluated on a case to case basis

 Pardon my rambling, I just finished Mass transfer hwrk. :>

 

-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    
               SILENCE = DEATH    
This is not a black and white world,
to be alive I believe the colors must be swirled- Live.~
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: two men (was: two women)
Date: 6 Nov 1992 09:52:58 GMT
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In article <27780@castle.ed.ac.uk> bethand@castle.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) writes:
->In article <1d7k03INNjl2@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
->>In article <MUFFY.92Nov2135433@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
->>->
->[B
->>
->>Yes, I agree with you ... I got no direct physical pleasure out of rubbing
->>this person's feet/back (or anyone's back, really) ... but the reactions,
->>the sounds of appreciation, the pleasure of making someone moan (without
->>having to worry about safe sex :) )), the feel of my hands pressed against
->>the leather jacket, or the silk blouse, or the skin ....
->>
->
->Me, I'm just a backrub fetishist. Or face, hair, or anything else thats
->handy. I _love_ giving other people bodyrubs, just the closeness, the
->sensation of the other person's body. I mean, I hope _they_ enjoy it
->too :), but I definitely get much pleasure just from that physical
->contact....

*whimper* I Know what you mean ... that physical contact is secondary only
totheir reactions ... I've so far given two bodyrubs and numerous backrubs
... Amazing what you can learn while giving someone a bodyrub :)

->Mind you, I'd not complain if someone was to offer to give _me_ a
->backrub :). I find the giving/receiving equally beneficial....

Funny ... I don't get quite as much out of receiving backrubs as I do giving
them ... possibly due to how I like my backrubs ( I like them hard enough to
leave bruises, make me ache, and reconsider calling safeword :) ) and how
most people like to give them ...

-roy

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