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Subject: Re: Why I react the way I do to some...
From: jwwalden@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (James Walden)
Date: 20 Jul 92 20:03:45 -0500
Organization: Dept. of Physics

In article <1992Jul20.061729.11194@rice.edu>, andsol@is.rice.edu (Andrew J. Solberg) writes:
> In article <1992Jul19.094646.26473@cco.caltech.edu>, lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals) writes:
> |> In article <1992Jul19.073923.8686@rice.edu>, andsol@is.rice.edu (Andrew J. Solberg) writes:
> 
> |> >"Now then, my question: How is this in any way different from your own
> |> >belief in evolution?  Unless you are a trained paleontological scientist
> |> >and observer; unless you PERSONALLY have travelled the world collecting
> |> >evidence and piecing together your own theory, the process by which you
> |> >came to accept evolution is no different from the manner in which the
> |> >'fanatics' chose to disbelieve in it.  You base your own belief on the
> |> >evidence and the expert assessments of those who have come before you:
> |> >the Darwins of the scientific community.  So why are you a skeptic
> |> >regarding religion, but not regarding science?"

First, we've seen evolution happening in our time.  We haven't observed the
rising of a new family or any group larger than that, but we have observed the
rising of a new species.  The fact that heredity works is readily observed
by anyone.  Now neither of these facts prove that we evolved from something
else in the past, but they are concrete evidence that evolution occurs.  Now
whether it's always happened can't be proven from that, but it does seem
strange to think that evolution is a new occurence.

Secondly, the evidence on the molecular level of the changes (and similarities)
in DNA from species to species is also very compelling.  Evolution is not a
contested fact, and while *our* evolution is contested there is far more
evidence out there than simply fossils.

> "Which brings me back to my question:  Can you argue convincingly that your mind-set,
> that of SCIENCE, should be deemed more compelling than that of the parents whose 
> strange choices sparked this conversation?"

It's impossible to argue anything to someone who has a sufficiently different
set of assumptions about the world.
  
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From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Subject: Re: joint post on discrimination, long!
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:19:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.150241.6714@news.iastate.edu>, SG.MML@isumvs.iastate.edu (M. Loughin) writes:
>True, you are not a peer of the President.  But you *are* the peer
>of men at your social level.

First-year grad student?  Some social level :-).

>Let's use a very trivial example.
>I play volleyball.  I'm okay at it.  I have female friends who
>are excellent players.  When they play with men, most of whom
>are not as good at it as the woman, many men will virtually push
>the woman out of the way so they can hit the ball.  It seems
>obvious to the man that his bad play on the ball *must* be better
>than anything the woman can do.  He assumes this as a man.  He
>would not do this to a fellow man.

I think you're wrong there (or, more accurately, I think you're right, but not
the way you intended to be).  Comparing the way Caltech faculty and students
behave on a basketball court to the way I've seen other men behaving on the
basketball court, and assuming that a similar relationship holds when they're
playing volleyball, I'd expect that the behavior of most men toward other men
in a volleyball game would be much the same as the behavior you described
of men toward women, with the following exception:  I wouldn't expect to see
one man virtually push a better mail player out of the way so he could hit the
ball;  I expect to see him actually push a better player out of the way.

>[Abner before]
>>There is a difference between peer pressure and oppression.  Clarence Thomas
>>feels peer pressure.  You and I feel opprssion.  And no, I'm not in a better
>>position.  I'm just not.  Remind me to tell you about how a professor, about
>>two months ago, used me as a scapegoat because his project wasn't working
>>and he was being reviewed for tenure soon.  He didn't hold off because I was
>>a man ... and what he did was inexcusable.

Now that you're a grad student, you'll also have to worry about the faculty
appropriating your research, too.

>[Abner]
>>I'll be glad to, but I seem to be having trouble posting.  (I tried to post
>>this twice, then gave up and rewrote it as email.)  Would you please post
>>us having a drink together, then toasting to the fireplace?  My toast, of
>>course, would be 'To Equality and Understanding!'

Any error messages?
From: chgs02@vaxa.strath.ac.uk (By learning and courtesy)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: OldCootsCon re: Welcome Niles !
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:20:57 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Jul18.032919.572@ttinews.tti.com>, hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
> In article <1992Jul15.154847.11159@crc.ricoh.com> rowanf@crc.ricoh.com (Rowan Fairgrove) writes:
> }
> }Hmmm, Gypsy Woman looks at the fellows
> }claiming Old Coothood.  I am not sure that a woman
> }can be a "coot".  ...
> 
> Why not? "Coot" is short for bandicoot -- a fiesty, ill-tempered
> marsupial.  I'm sure females of the species exist.
> 

Now I had been believing the term to be used as in

coot n. aquatic bird of genus Fulica, esp. bald~ (with base of upper
mandible extended to form white plate on forehead, whence bald as a ~ ,
entirely bald); (colloq.)stupid person.[ME, prob f.LG]

quite a different picture from bandicoot n. large destructive rat!!!!

Never mind, a health to both parties, and a cool long drink for me.
Ann
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From: pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (The Nightstalker)
Subject: Re: Pi is Three?
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:50:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.111654.13013@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jpalmer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John D Palmer) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.224602.5903@ucc.su.OZ.AU> neilb@physics.su.OZ.AU (The Bellman) writes:
>>And on a lighter vein
>>
>>"A favourite thing of mine,
>>A new value of Pi to assign,
>>I'd fix it at three,
>>for its simpler you see,
>>Than 3.14159"
>>
>>bye
>>
>
>      "How I want a drink, alcoholic, of course, after the heavy lectures 
>involving quantum mechanics."

"I should have thought that before would have been useful as well," pipes
in The Nightstalker.  To Dirac, Schroedinger and Heisenberg (who may have
been here!)."

<crash>




--
The Nightstalker.....




 "I was wrong to play God.  Life is precious, not a thing to be toyed with.
  Now take out that brain and flush it down the toilet."
                  --- M. Burns  "Treehouse of Horror II"
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From: sjane@bmers248.bnr.ca (sjs)
Subject: Re: Yet another sleepless night
Organization: Irrelevant, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 11:41:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.230832.25857@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jpalmer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John D Palmer) writes:
>    Abner, I've been trying to think about this one. . . 
>
>     What's your control like?  Can you walk away from a woman you
>love when she needs sex, and nothing but sex?
>
>   "If you loved me you would."
>
Blatant emotional blackmail to which the only response is:
    "If *you* loved me, you wouldn't ask"

Oooooooh that line burns me up.  My *spouse* even used it on me (in the 
context of "If you really loved me, you wouldn't go into work when I want
you here.")  I nearly killed the man.

-sjs

--
It's not irrelevant; it's a hippopotamus.   sjane@BNR.CA
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From: JMPIERCE%USMCP6.bitnet@VM.TCS.Tulane.EDU (JIM PIERCE)
Subject: re: Stereotypes ? Objectifying ? thoughts..
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:37:48 GMT


 { Excuse me a few minutes SEA. DJ comes inside for a few minutes to
   talk about his thoughts on the subject... }

  "Well, I did objectify women in High School and for part of the time
I was in the Navy. Then I grew up. :-) Seriously, thats about the
way I feel about it. In High School of the 1950s, many other males my
age 'objectified' women. It was part of the culture, we didn't know
better. I will say that I have changed considerably since then. I
have even told this male jerk that he shouldn't worry so much about
women's inperfections, afterall, when God made man, She was only
joking ! :-) I never heard someone puff-and-blow, and no words come
out of their mouth for quite that long before. Do I actually believe
that ? Well, I don't know, but it certainly quelled his abusive remarks !
I guess I was lucky, he was a 'macho-type' that could have felt justified
in punching me out, but maybe he didn't think it was a good idea in
front of all those witnesses. I think of women as people, as I do men.

     At one time, in High School and in the Navy, for someone who
I found physically attractive was the only criteria. Now I prefer
a woman who is intelligent and isn't afraid to use her intelligence,
in public or private. Now Didi has seen my picture, but I would
still have to say that I see myself as 'physically average.'
I, like most other people I have met over the years, do have a
minds-eye picture of an 'idealized mate', but that would never
stop me from changing my mind ! I did change my mind long ago
about what I look for in a woman, why at one time I even worried
about hair color ! Good Grief ! I do feel I have matured since
then. :-) I look for some common interests, afterall she may have
interests that, once she tells me about them, I will find them
interesting also ! I do have many interests, some were hobbies
at one time, that I have never mentioned here; like hiking,
model railroading, enjoying a banana split on a hot summer day...

  Well, thats part of an answer. You will have to excuse me, I'm
enjoying some good music, conversation with a wonderful person,
and some nice breakfast. Later." DJ.

DJ walks back out into the meadow, to enjoy the rest of the picnic.



* <JMPIERCE@USMCP6.BITNET> Jim "NickD." Pierce; Bach. Sci. in Appl. Cmp Sci
* USM Academic Computing on the Gulf Park Campus. Disclaimer: Standard.
* Latest cassette: Billy Joel:Greatest Hits ; 1973-1985.
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From: lgold@callahans.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold)
Subject: Re: Weird stuff
Organization: /mnt4/lgold/.organization
	<Brw9AH.1DL@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1992 09:21:07 GMT

In article <Brw9AH.1DL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski) writes:

>lynn:

>>"The 8am headliner on the morning news was 'Gilroy Has Clydesdale Poop
>>Race.'

>>"I'm not making this up!  They're having some kind of event where they
>>walk these horses, the horses defacate, and if you're ticket matches
>>the marker where the biggest piece of horse poop lands, you win $2500.!

>>"Of course, if I'd have titled this message 'Horse sh*t,' whod've
>>believed I meant it literally?" :-)

>"hi lynn....it is a form of bingo...they do it with cows too...at the
>the cow version is called "cow chip bingo...."

>kitten got this info from rita mae brown's book _bingo_ ....

One of the side-effects of working in radio is that you often wind up
doing promotional events.  On one of the stations where I do traffic,
the DJs (but luckily not the traffic people) get recruited to
participate in a "cow chip toss."

Yes, it's for real.  They toss cow chips across a field; whoever's
chip lands farthest away wins.  I don't know WHAT they win, but they win.

--Lynn
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Date: Wednesday, 22 Jul 1992 15:45:48 EDT
From: Cathy Ridings <U3E67@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject:    A Night in the Hills of West Virginia

Kaitlin was exhausted as she finally got into bed for the night.
Just as she was getting all comfy, her mate (Tom) says
"Did you hear that?"
" No, I didn't, what did it sound like????"   No answer....
" WELL !"
Tom " It was just a squeak"
"Oh"

Well, that was all it took for Kaitlin's imagination to take off.
She convinced herself that she heard the very soft sound that a person
makes when walking on carpet.  Yes, someone was walking around the house,
just waiting for the right time to come in and murder her and her family.

Now you may think to yourself - Good grief, this girl is getting a little
carried away...

I think not.  As it happened in her little town, just last night, a family
was shot to death -- in thier home.  The slain man's brother gave himself
up to authorities today.  WHY?  I am still asking myself that, no information
has been given yet, as to why this man would kill his brother and family.

Just two weeks ago, another incident, a woman killed her lover.  I will spare
you the details.  But this happened IN MY NEIBORHOOD.  As it turned out the
lady had mental problems, but still it disturbs me.

I live in a small university town in West Virginia.  These things are NOT
supposed to happen!  Of course I know they happen every day in large cities,
but not here in my home town.

As I try to understand these acts of violence, I think of how TV and the movies
have given us such graghic portrayals of violence.  It makes me very angry to
see parents let thier children go to see movies such as "The Terminator".  And
then they wonder why is my child so violent???!!??  Why is Billy hiting his
sister and ME when he is angry??  Get a clue parent!

I believe that violence in the real world will only get worse with the images
we are letting our kids grow up with.

I am very sensitive to violence.  I have realized that I can not watch those
kind of movies.  I am not able to watch it and then forget it.  It sticks
in my mind and then haunts me at night.  Take for example the movie "Cape
Fear".  I had to leave the theatre after the rape scene.  This movie was
so GRAPHIC, that I could not enjoy it.  My boyfriend got pissed because
I was such a wimp.  Anyway for weeks after that one scene stuck in my head
and I could see it when I close my eyes.

Well folks, I have rambled long enough.  Hope I have not offened anyone.

But I pose a question for debate:   Are we hurting our children, our
society with this violence?  Does anyone else feel that TV and movie violence
leads to violence in real life?

Thanks,

Cathy/Kaitlin
From: dirbze@doc.bmd.trw.com
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: and stuff.. as always..
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:09:13 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Jul28.192744.23845@morrow.stanford.edu>, HF.TXG@forsythe.stanford.edu (TJ) writes:
> TJ jumps in: Or how 'bout my favorite...'I see.' said the blind man
> to the deaf mute, and the man with no legs walked away in disgust

I like it!  I always heard it a litle differently, though... 

'I see!' said the blind man, as he picked up his hammer and saw...
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From: gryphon@openage.openage.com (The Golden Gryphon)
Subject: Re: More of Nathan being Depressed. (feel free to skip this)
Organization: Open Age, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:59:45 GMT

SG.MML@isumvs.iastate.edu (M. Loughin) writes:

>In article <1992Jul21.234912.6786@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>,
>rkoch@lonestar.utsa.edu (Ruth M. Koch) writes:

>>  I don't often post to threads because my opinion is often
>>  more throughly explained by someone else than I could do
>>  myself.  Or I don't know enough about the subject matter
>>  to form an opinion one way or the other.  (Here, I'm thinking
>>  about the StM/Nightstalker thread.  I'm pretty much an agnostic,
>>  raised without religion.  When I do think about religion, I
>>  tend to lean towards paganism.)

>Well, feel free to jump in and support an argument, or ask
>questions or make comments.  You don't have to get heavily involved
>in a debate to contribute.  Trust me, you may rather not get
>heavily involved in a debate :-).

"I might suggest posting questions.  Don't feel ashamed if you don't know
something.  There is no such thing as a dumb question.  If you don't know
something ask,  how else do we learn?"

>I have a suggestion.  Start your own thread involving your
>interests, things *you* know something about.  Maybe we can learn
>something new from you!  Besides, I'd enjoy hearing some less
>scientific, more "right brained" discussions.

"Hear Hear.  Good idea.  What type of stuff are you interested in talking
about?"

-- 
The Golden Gryphon 				gryphon@openage.COM
Solve a man's problem and he has 1 less.        No incumbents in 92.
Teach a man to think, and all his problems are less.
Openage - The Premier SCO UNIX integrator in the Washington D.C. area
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From: bsackste@AFIT.AF.MIL (Bernadette M. Sacksteder)
Subject: Re: A Night in the Hills of West Virginia
Organization: Air Force Institue of Technology, WPAFB OH
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:07:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.202457.1866@cco.caltech.edu> ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz) writes:
>From: ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz)
>Subject: Re: A Night in the Hills of West Virginia
>Date: 28 Jul 92 20:24:57 GMT

>>little brother has been just as gaurded as the rest of us yet he, like we 
>>did, takes sticks, carrots, his hand, anything, and plays gunfighter with 
>>them. We did too. Once he even nibbled his graham cracker into the shape of 
>>a gun and shot me with it. Now if, with all the precautions my parents have 
>>taken, my little brother still does this, what can you do? Why not just give 
>>the kid a gun and have done? I mean, my parents won't even let us have water 
>>guns, and he still plays like this. What can you do?

>"Um, New Kid, I take it you meant give him a toy gun?  Giving him a real gun
>would be a bit of an over-reaction ..."

"You knew what I meant!" New Kid makes a face at Abner
From: eesshlgb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (S H L G Bisson)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Anti-Freeze/Much too Cold!Sundog, who has been busy wrestling with concepts of creation
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:28:06 GMT
Organization: School of Electrical Engineering, University of Bath, UK

In article <1992Jul25.113429.12774@news.Hawaii.Edu> gardner@hale.ifa.hawaii.edu (Jonathan Gardner) writes:

>(Tee hee, just rubbing it in while I still can. I move to a certain
>frigid island in the North Sea, known for its pea-soup fog, in less
>then two months, and then you all can have your revenge. :-)


"Oh, I don't know that it's that bad here... it's certainly not frigid here
today, and I haven't seen any fog, for, oh, 3 months or so. It's only here
that you get to see what an ocean-influenced temperate climate is like. The
maximum temperature variation is only about 30K, and we're further north than
most Canadians!

"There's probably a bit of a difference between Durham and Hawaii though,
perhaps a bit more rain than you're used to!

"It'll be a good excuse for a RealSpace though!"

Ignatz smiles.

"I could do with a party..."

---=-
Ignatz Mouse/Simon H Le G Bisson...never, ever leave me alone in a bookshop...
-=---
From: salford@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Stephanie Alford 5850)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: SEA cooks up a plan
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:37:18 GMT
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers
Originator: salford@orion

SEA:  "Roll call!  Spider?"

Spider:  "Ready, when you are, SEA."

SEA:  "Linda?"

Linda:  "Just give the word."

SEA:  "Robbie?"

silence

SEA:  "Robbie!"

more silence

SEA:  "Ahem, Robbie!!!!"

Robbie:  "I'm fixin' Carl's satellite."

SEA:  "We're waiting on you!"

Robbie:  "Okay, okay, okay"

SEA:  "Dreamy, are you ready for more FUN?"

DJ:  (Looking nervously at SEA, who has obviously been conspiring
with his staff)  "Uhm...yeah...okay"

Still holding hands, SEA and DJ make one more loop around the
universe leapfrogging over satellites, then SEA says "Okay,
guys...let's do it."

Spider arrives and gently envelops the pair and begins a descent back
to the Meadow.  Mozart can be heard quietly in the background.

DJ:  "Is that Eine Kleine Nachtmusik?"

Spider lands gently in the Meadow and drives to a semi-private
picnic spot.  The doors open and allow DJ and SEA to step out.

Robbie:  "Boss, I'm doin' Bar-bee-que!"

SEA:  "Shhhh....not now!"

DJ:  "What are you guys up to now?"

He sees Linda moving around in the background, under the trees.
Robbie is doing something, but it's not clear that it's really
barbecue...it could be some sort of modern art for all anyone
can tell.

DJ looks down and notices that his and SEA's space suits and
roller skates have been exchanged for comfy summer picnic 
clothes.

Linda rolls up:  "All ready, SEA"
Robbie:  "Now can I do Bar-bee-que?"
Spider:  "Yell when you need me."  and the holographic car disappears.

SEA takes DJ's hand and leads him down the path, under the willow
trees.  Linda has laid out a feast of a summer picnic.  Fresh
strawberries, grapes, nectarines, peaches, cheese, crackers,
potato salad, champagne (can you guess what kind, DJ?) and
yes, over in the shadows is Robbie "doing Bar-bee-cue"....

As the two settle in to share the feast and recover from their
satellite hopping, they notice two small furry creatures off
in the distance.  One keeps falling down.  

Giggling, SEA says, "Oh look, it must be Ramda the roly-poly bear and
Koally."

Koally walks straight up to Dreamy Jim, gives him the once over,
nods to SEA, takes Ramda's paw and continues on past.  DJ gives
SEA a quizzical look...

SEA:  "Let's put it this way,  he doesn't disapprove!"

Off in the distance, the sun sparkles against the water of the
water slide and the laughter of their friends can be heard.
There go Didi and Lord Galdrin, Gryphon, ArchTeryx, Nick, kitten,
Nathan (the hero that helped Didi with her clothes in that nasty
"Ramda incident") and many others enjoying themselves in the
camraderie of the Place.

SEA:  "A toast?"

DJ:  "I know what you're going to say!"

SEA:  "To friends near and far!!"

Clinking their glasses first, champagne is downed and the glasses
tossed in the general direction of Mike's fireplace.  They disappear
and a few seconds later, the sound of breaking glass can be heard.
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From: lower-tony@CS.YALE.EDU (Tony Lower)
Subject: Manx & 'Loysious
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:41:56 GMT


   Manx turns around, as a wafting smell grabs his nose.

   "Ooooh! Look at all the food!  Hey Mike, forget that platter
of milk for 'Loysious, I'll get it myself."

   Manx carefully pours a platter of rich milk and sets Aloysious
down in front of it.  The cat sniffs dubiously, sticks her tongue
in, and ostentatiously turns her back on the offering.

   "Oh.  Sorry folks, I guess Aloysious is just an artificial-type
cat.  I guess this isn't pasteurized and homogenized enough, or
some what-not."

   Meanwhile, Aloyisous has batted at a syrup container, knocked
it over, and is playing in the resulting puddle.
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:43:43 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Responsibilities of Artists (was Re: Pornography and Playboy)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA