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From: overberger@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: Can Novell support 75+ workstations?
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:19:54 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <exuptr.752.0@exu.ericsson.se>, exuptr@exu.ericsson.se, Writes
> 
> 
>> > Question: What is the MAXIMUM number of workstations
>> > that a  486 MSDOS server
>> > can handle and still give reasonable performance with
>> > Novell network?
> 
>>With 16 megs of RAM, I would say:
> 
>>Thinnet     30 machines
>>Thicknet    100 machines
>::::::::Boy, I'd say that's very conservative !!! We've run 60 units
>::::::::on thinnet using an active hub w/Netware SFT 2.11 and a 12MHZ 286!!
>::::::::No problem at all. 


>> > Any information and suggestions about the optimal way
>> > to handle 75+
>> > workstations with a server (or maybe we will need more
>> > than one)
>> > wil be appreciated.
> 
>>Use two servers, for sure.
>:::::::::What !!!!!!! Give me a break. This guy must work for some NOS 
>:::::::::Vendor !!!! 
>> > 50 user system
>> > is also out there but is not common (so he does not
>> > carry it).
> 
>>Rubbish.  50 user NetWare is quite common.
>:::::::::Agree with this one 
>> > Is it possible (at all) to have a 75+ workstations
>> > system?
> 
>>Yep, for sure.  Use 3Com cards, too, where possible - their degredation on network signals is very small and therefore (from my experience), we've been able to push the IEEE limitation of cabling lengths, number of workstations, etc. far beyond what is n>rmally considered 'sane'. :-)
> 
>>[For the net's info, the LAN I administer runs 27 machines on a
 thin Ethernet backbone of.....

>::::::::We run TWP with active hubs (Chipcom) and have upwards of 300 actual
>::::::::connections. Usually 120 to 175 logged in at any one time.
>::::::::This is done using an IBM 95 w/SCSI2 Fujitsu drives, 23 MB Ram
>::::::::and Netware 3.11. Very rarely do we see performance degradation.
>::::::::I will be more than happy to show this system off. Please come
>::::::::Visit us here in Kalamazoo, MI. (we have about 20 servers on our
>::::::::backbone but this is just the large one !)
From: MA30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (MA30000)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Phar LAp err 58 / mathlab?
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:15:18 GMT
Organization: Lafayette College
Originator: news@lafcol

After loading mathlab onto a Novell 3.11 file server I was
able to download it when logedin as SUPERVISOR but as any
other user such as guest, the following message was observed,
"Phar Lap err 58: Can't crete VM swap file of size 0 in
directory F:/."
Any help would be appreciated.
From: brueckm@uni-duesseldorf.de (Martin Brueckers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Problem with SET STATION TIME
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:25:20 GMT
Organization: Universitaetsrechenzentrum, Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet Duesseldorf
NNTP-Posting-Host: brueckers.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de

The shell normally synchronizes the workstation time with the file server's 
time. The manual tells me to use the parameter SET STATION TIME=OFF, if I 
like to save my workstation time, but it dosn't run. All other parameters in 
this file are effective.
My configuration is NETWARE 3.11 with MS-DOS 5.0 / NETX.COM.

Anybody knows help?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: jtmorgan@chopin.udel.edu (James Morgan)
Subject: printing out rights and trustee assignments
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:11:21 GMT


Again I am asking about printing out a list of rights and other information
that is stored in the bindery.
Some back ground:
When you go into syscon you can look at lists of users and groups.  Also you can
display the member list of groups and the trustee rights of users.   This seems
to be a process that is using the three files of the bindery:
Net$obj.sys, Net$prop.sys, and Net$val.sys.   Is there a way of dumping the 
information into a file by using some command at the prompt level with
dos redirection? 

The purpose of all of this may seem to be trivial but it is a real need and
if it can't be done this way then it will just have to be done manually by
seeing the info on a screen and then recapturing the keystrokes all over again.

Can anyone give me some assistance on this?
From: /S=BLANSFIE/OU=EM-01/O=CCMGW/PRMD=GOV+USDOE.G02/ADMD=ATTMAIL/C=US/@mailgw.er.doe.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Internal bridging throughput
Date: 26 Jan 1993 09:52:25 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

     Hello,
     
     I have heard that putting multiple NIC's in a server and using 
     internal bridging gives you better throughput than having only 1 NIC.  
     I heard also that you should have only 30 connections per NIC.  
     Someone from our LAN ops group said that internal bridging is slow and 
     since you have to put each NIC on a different segment you have 2 hops 
     from the root.
     
     Having multiple NIC's makes sense to me but I need more information 
     can someone out there tell me where to look.  I need some hardcore 
     data and/or formulas.
     
     Thanks,
     
     Mike
     
     blansfie@mailgw.er.doe.gov
From: accajt@vaxa.hofstra.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject:    Test Suite?
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:21:22 EST


	I'm on a committee whose purpose (among others) is to establish
some standards with regard to testing hardware (prior to purchase,
mainly workstations, and miscellaneous boards)).  We've had some bad
experiences with incompatiblities (hardware/hardware and
hardware/software bothin the past. We're rapidly expanding the
number of Lans at our site and need some way of evaluting new
boards/NLMs/workstations etc. 

1.  Has anyone out there down this?  If so, any tips? 

2.  Does anyone know where we can lay our hands on a good suite of
cheap (if not free) benchmark/torture tests 

3.  Does anyone have any feelings about whether we'll be saving
ourselves any effort by thouroughly testing prior to installation?

Thanks in advance for any info....

Andrew Jay Thorn


Academic Computing
Hofstra University
204 McEwen Hall
Hempstead, NY 11550

Internet : ACCAJT@VAXC.HOFSTRA.EDU
Bitnet   : ACCAJT@HOFSTRA
From: mcollins@db (Marty Collins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: Novell-> unix printers
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:47:09 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

smarc@mas.uucp (Marc Siegel) writes:
: What (commercial) options exist to solve the following problem:
: 
: Novell 3.11 network users need to print to 7 printers on an SCO
: unix machine. Network will be 10BaseT. Apparently Charon will handle
: this, however, I would prefer a commercially supported solution.

Netware FleX/IP will allow Netware users to print to UNIX printers
and Unix users to print to NetWare printers. This works via the 
Defacto printing standard LPD. SCO supports LPD in the ODT 2.0
release or 3.2.4 of the Base OS.

THere is also an FTPserver implementation for the NetWare server
and a Xconsole/remote console tool for Xwindow servers.

The price for FleX/IP is $995 beginning Feb. 1, 1993.


: 
: The SCO box will be provided with TCP/IP. Hardware & or software
: solutions would be fine. All info will be appreciated!
: 
:                              | Marc Siegel N3MCR            |
:                              | Emtronix Inc.                |
:                              | Baltimore, Maryland          |
:                              | {uunet}!wb3ffv!mas!smarc     |
:                              | smarc@mas.wb3ffv.AMPR.ORG    |

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From: dwe@buc.edu.au (David_Edwards)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: RPRINTER with Windows 3.1?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 21:46:47 GMT
Organization: Computer Centre - Ballarat University College
NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.132.4.20

>>I've gotten conflicting info...On 3.11, is anyone successfully using
>>RPRINTER on a workstation running Windows 3.1?  I read that Windows
>>interferes with remote printing, and that any station running Windows
>>can use only a local printer or one connected directly to the fileserver.
>>
>
>Would someone please answer this openly also rather than Email.  I'm having
>trouble with rprinter and Win3.1.

Try running TBMI2.com  (task manager software ) before running rprinter.
  
Works fine for us (so far) on at least three PC's all running windows and 
acting as print servers for a number of users.

David



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: bob_groendyke@macgate.csuchico.edu (Bob Groendyke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Arcserve & Migrate to 3.11
Date: 24 Jan 93 02:30:40 GMT
Organization: CSU Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: bob-mac.csuchico.edu
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
X-XXMessage-ID: <A7873FEAA301101B@bob-mac.csuchico.edu>
X-XXDate: Sat, 23 Jan 93 18:33:14 GMT

I'm ugrading (actually using Migrate.exe) a server from 2.15 to 3.11 and
am using Arcserve to backup files. I'm running into access rights
problems after the upgrade, of the type that users can't see files in
directories they clearly have rights to. 
Migrate is very specific about not backing up/restoring directory rights
when you do the tape backup. Arcserve of course doesn't address this. I
backed up with Hidden files and System files backup set to yes, restored
with System files set to no. (also tried restore with System files set to
yes). 
Anyone have experience with this? If not, I'll talk to Cheyanne Monday
about it. 
Thanks,

Bob Groendyke
California State University Chico
bob_groendyke@macgate.csuchico.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Phar Lap Err 58 & Matlab
From: elebrack@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Dayl Brack)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:02:58 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.
Keywords: Matlab Phar Lap

I tried to respond directly but it returned saying the user id
was invalid.

I had this problem a couple of months ago and received the following
reply from Jon Hall in Pommie Land (j.m.hall@soton.ac.uk)

There are two things you can do, and you can implement them either 
of two ways. The first is to turn off the virtual memory, the second
is to force the swap file to a writable disk.

1. Change to the MATLAB\BIN directory
   enter the command CFIG386 MAT386.EXE -novn 
                  or CFIG386 MAT386.EXE -swapdir c:\path
   where c:\path is a writable disk drive\directory. NB - this 
   should not end in a backslash.
   (You may want to make a backup of MAT386.EXE)

2. Another way is to set a DOSX variable.
      SET DOSX=-novm
   or SET DOSX=c:\path


I have only tried the first method of changing the executable. It
works fine.


Dayl Brack                 d.brack@auckland.ac.nz
E & E Engineering
Auckland University
New Zealand
From: ppan@nobeltech.se (Per Andersson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: Novell packet encapsulation on Ethernet - which to choose?
Date: 24 Jan 93 00:45:07 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: NobelTech AB

In article <ERIKS.93Jan15083219@outland.ccs.yorku.ca> eriks@outland.ccs.yorku.ca (Eriks Rugelis) writes:
>Other than default configurations being nicer to administer...  are there
>compelling technical reasons to choose between the two IPX encapulation
>schemes for Ethernet?

Three !

>However, having just tried DEC's Pathworks Netware Compatibility S/W,
>it seems that it can ONLY use the Novell-Ether encapsulation.  Since
>Pathworks is intended to run in association with VAX/VMS, this would seem
>to contradict cisco's warning (at least for recent versions of VMS).

Makes sense. The VAXen ethernet cards won't use the bastardized 802.3 frames
that netware has used from the beginning, it wants Ethernet frames.
Netware can now also be used with real 802.2 SNAP-frames, which it should
have done for several years now. But then some are less irritated by strange
hacks than I am....

/Per
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From: elec129@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Wangdat nlm
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:27:35 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

Hi,
   Wanted; an NLM.
I wish to install a WANGDAT 1300 SCSI tape drive on our
 486_based Novell 3.11 server.
The Wangdat 1300 seems to be an orphan as far as the
 local agents are concerned. Originally supplied for
 our Sun systems and was supplied with Mac I/F software.
   Can anyone help or suggest a source of the Wangdat NLM.
cox@elec.canterbury.ac.nz
From: ln@doc.ic.ac.uk (Leonidas Nikidis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: PServer Name
Date: 28 Jan 1993 12:02:18 -0000
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: motmot.doc.ic.ac.uk
Keywords: PSERVER


Hi,

How can I avoid to sypply a name, every time I load the PSERVER in a
Netware 2.2                       ----------

Thank you,

Leo.
From: u5533129@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: Toward a more persistent login.exe
Date: 22 Jan 93 08:45:50 +1100
Organization: The University of Melbourne

In article <1993Jan19.200359.250@indyvax.iupui.edu>, harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:
> In article <mr.727477099@ogre>, mr@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (Michael Regoli) writes:
>> Has anyone built a little DOS batch-file wrapper to login.exe that
>> calls login.exe AGAIN when a password is invalid?  I've not been able
>> to figure out a sure-fire batch file that would do this.  Testing for
>> the environment variable %NAME% is fine--because it tests true for a
>> login--just as long as the same user logs in to the same machine every
>> day (e.g., "IF '%NAME%'=='JOE' goto success"), but what if Suzie sits
>> down at Joe's machine?
> 
> LOGIN sets the errorlevel to zero if the login is successful, otherwise to
> something else.  So something like:
> 
> if errorlevel 1 goto logfail
> 
> works nicely.

It works nicely until something in you login script sets the errorlevel.

Another solution is

:login
echo.
login
if not exist sys:\public\*.* goto login

which works provided the user has scan priveledges in sys:\public.

Peter Summers
From: abhagwat@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Anand Bhagwat)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Dial-in to a Netware 3.11 Server
Keywords: Dial-in, Netware 3.11
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:01:18 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Hi,
  We have six Novell 3.11 servers at Facilities at Rutgers University.
We need remote users to dial-in into our system for entering data into
database systems. Based on a LAN times review, I bought Shiva Corp. 
Lanrover /E for a 10 Base-T ethernet and we got burned. The thing
doesn't work for a file server-PC environment. It is very very slow
(using 9600 V.42 modems). It takes literally 5 minutes to go from one
screen to the other. We need remote dial-in to access two DBMS :
1) An Xbase product writteen in DBXL Quicksilver.
2) An Advanced Revelation product.
Does anyone have experience with products which work well in file
server environments ? We need around 4 to 8 remote users to dial in 
simultaneously on each server.

Thank you.
Andy



			Anand Bhagwat
			Manager Computer Services
			Rutgers University Facilities
			Phone : (908) 932-2597
			E-mail: abhagwat@gandalf.rutgers.edu
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                Facilities Maintenance & Operations
                Rutgers University
                New Brunswick , NJ 08903
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
From: fnixon@utkvx2.utk.edu (Nixon, John Fred)
Subject: Re: Making a read only account on 3.11
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: read-only, system administration
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:06:00 GMT

>fnixon@utkvx2.utk.edu (Nixon, John Fred) writes:
>>I would like to make an account that has read only access to files in
>>all directories. The purpose is to have a "safe" account which can be
>>used to read any file on the server. We are running 3.11. I have read the
>>manuals, and as far as I can figure it, I wold have to add [r f] 
>>permissions to each directory to the account. Surely there is a better
>>way to do this? 

Geee... is my face red! Thanks to all who answered my question, both via
mail and on the news. Now that I look at the documentation (after knowing
the answer), it seems quite clear what to do, and how simple it was. *blush*

Thanks again, everyone, I'll try to read a little more closely next time.

fnixon@sol.cs.utc.edu
fnixon@utkvx.utk.edu
From: mcollins@db (Marty Collins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: Burst Mode IPX
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:48:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Novell, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

drews@engr.wisc.edu (James Drews) writes:
: 
: Quick question for all you out there.  We are considering useing BURST
: mode IPX on our network and I had a few questions:
: 
:   1) what kind of performance increase can I expect?

	Tests have shown a 30-50% increase across slow Wan links
	and 10-20% over regular network connections.

:   2) what problems have people had using the PBURST.NLM/BNETX?
	
	If you use the latest you should have no problems.

:   3) If I were to decide to use the burst mode, where/what do I need
:      to do to get the NLM?

	Look for the DOSUP6.ZIP file. Bnetx.exe and Pburst.NLM will
	be included. Look carefully at the readme as there is important
	information about using the Burst mode with or without Security
	patches.

	Also be aware that the lan drivers used at workstation and server
	are very important. IF you have any cards that have drivers
	included in the DOSUP6 file, then use these drivers. IF you have
	other third party Lan Cards, check with Vendor for compatibility
	with Burst mode.

: 
: Thanks in advance
: Jim
: 
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: 
: 

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From: sholmste@novell.com (Shawn Holmstead)
Subject: Re: Can Novell support 75+ workstations?
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:27:45 GMT

In article <9301212346.AA06174@public.btr.com.BTR.COM> a9@public.btr.com (Ashar Nisar) writes:
>Question: What is the MAXIMUM number of workstations that a  486 MSDOS 
>server can handle and still give reasonable performance with Novell network?

The maximum number of workstations that Novell currently sells is a 250 user
using version 3.11.  The maximum for version 2.2 is 100 user.

>We want to setup a lab with 486 50Mhz (or better) file servers and
>286 DOS workstations for students doing (mostly) editing and compiling.
>The number of workstations will be anywhere from 75 - 100.
>
>Any information and suggestions about the optimal way to handle 75+
>workstations with a server (or maybe we will need more than one)
>wil be appreciated.

At BYU where I was a system manager we had one server (486 50 MHz with
32 Meg of RAM) running a 250 user version of 3.11.  The server serviced
about 125 student workstations and 75-100 professor workstations, and 
never had any noticible speed problems.  The only speed problems we 
encountered were cable related where the workstations were in a completely
different building.  At peak times there might be a little slowing if
everyone compiles at once, but that is not too likely.

>I contacted a local Novell dealer and he told me that they only sell
>network hardware for up to 20 users. According to him a 50 user system
>is also out there but is not common (so he does not carry it).

Maybe it is not common with his customers, but the versions over 50 users
are very common elsewhere.

>Is it possible (at all) to have a 75+ workstations system?

Definately.  Call 1-800-NETWARE and ask for the Novell buyers guide.  This
guide has all of the products Novell sells.  With this, your reseller
should be able to get his hands on a copy of NetWare for more than 20 users.

>Thanks
>
>Ashar Nisar
>a9@btr.com

Hope this helps,
Shawn Holmstead
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From: villalj@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU (John Villalovos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: Toward a more persistent login.exe
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:52:42 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: xanth.cs.orst.edu

In article <1jlbkmINNc06@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> villalj@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU (John Villalovos) writes:
>
>In article <holbor.44.0@ccmail.orst.edu> holbor@ccmail.orst.edu (Richard Holbo) writes:
>>>The way I do it at my work is set up a batch file called WSLOG.BAT which is
>>>executed by the AUTOEXEC.BAT:
>>>
>>>WSLOG.BAT:
>>>...
>>>:LOOP
>>>LOGIN
>>>IF ERRORLEVEL 1 GOTO LOOP
>>>

One thing I should mention is that you should make sure that you grant the
group EVERYONE rights to the SYS:LOGIN directory (R F rights).  By default
Netware does not give rights to SYS:LOGIN.

Later,
-- 
John Villalovos
Certified Netware Engineer
villalj@xanth.cs.orst.edu
(503) 753-7883
From: alberg@hudlink.hoboken.nj.us (Al Berg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
Subject: Re: server crashing
Date: 23 Jan 93 21:00:07 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: The Hudson Link (Cyberspace Gateway)

In <1993Jan19.155536.10982@cs.yale.edu> mikef@som.yale.edu (Michael Fanara) writes:

>The problem seems to be that the server can not write to the SYS volume. The
>files that seem to pop up in the vol$log.err file quit often are the 
>Q_000E.SRV and .SYS files. The error message is as follows:

>Volume mount had the following errors that were fixed.
>Problem with file Q_000E.SRV (TTS file was not changed) length kept=0 had
>allocated=4096.

These error messages are a symptom of the crash itself - they are print
queue files that were in use at the time of the crash.  These messages are
more warnings than errors; the server will work well in spite of them.  To
get rid of them, you need to run VREPAIR.

In order to diagnose your server crashes themselves, you need to get the
exact error message that appears on the console at the time of the crash.
Hint: the important part is the line that starts with the word "Abend:"


Al

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