From: press2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barry.o.olson)
Subject: Re: Mormons are not Christians
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:28:59 GMT
Summary: frothing, mouth, politicians

In article <ldod57INNrsl@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, farkas@qual.Eng.Sun.COM (Frank Farkas) writes:
> 
> 
> >> 
> >> I take issue with Barry, an anti-Mormon, who interprets "correctly" what
> >> the prophets(LDS) said, and we who's faith he is plastering with mud, don't
> >> know beans. We are all too stupied and ignorent to understand our faith.
> 
> >You forgot blind..
> 
> Am I supposed to laugh now? Let me know when.

I thought I would help you with your list. You don't need to ask me
if you should laugh.

> 
> >> I would never be so presumptuous to tell a Jew, a Baptist, a Muslim,
> >> a Catholic, or any one else what they believe in, and try to instruct them
> > about their faith. The only thing I can do to tell them about mine.
> 
> >you don't need to. Your prophets do a good enough job for you. All you
> >need to do is support them and apologize for them.
> 
> I have no need to appologies for my prophets(LDS) at all. 

Ok, just being a member of the LDS is enough. You lend tacit support
just by being a member. Agreed?
> 
> Barry, if you are not yet a professional politician, you should be. 
> 
> Do you know that I know beans about your beliefs? The only thing I know about your
> faith and beliefs is that you are a anti-mormon. It wasn't because I didn't asked.
> It is because you didn't responded to my inquiries.

What does it matter what my beliefs are? I don't support the church
which claims to have prophets who claim to displace the o.christians.
Frank, me thinks you suffer from tunnel vision. Can't you understand
that?

> 
> Let me ask for the third time, who do you think will go to hell?

Whoever ends up there. QED

> 
> >> I hope you get what I am saying.
> 
> >Sorry if I hurt your feelings. I place more importance on what your
> >prophets teach and have taught in the past. Nothing against you
> >personally.
> 
> Why should I take it personally, why should my feelings be hurt? Who the hack
> cares what I think? I am not important! After all, the only thing 
> you do is to attack my faith! To bad that you don't know how to communicate
> your beliefs in a positive way. You see, the only thing you do is to tear down.

No Frank, you're mind is telling you, but the facts are different. I
attack the claims of the prophets of the CJCLDS, you take it personal
because you support them?

> 
> I thought that we were talking about "guilt", and how we Mormons are 
> continually racked with quilt because we just don't ever know when we done 
> enough. Can we please finish that subject before we start on others? This

Oh yes, that was before you side-tracked by throwing in the MIND-
CONTROL article. I asked you what that has to do with the grace+works
article. Then you latched onto a side comment I made about how I care
little for what you believe, and like a pit-bull have clamped on to
that one side issue nad hold your jaws until youi tire.
You haven't said anything about the real content of my article. I'm
sorry if I hurt your feelings, but can you respond to the content?
The content was Joseph Smith and company displacing o.christianity
through revelation, and telling the chrisitans what their scriptures
say, while ingoring what the christians say their scriptures say. This
tactic was used by you and Jason while complaining that anti-mormons
(or o.christians in many cases)are presumptuous for telling the LDS
what their LDS scriptures say. Trouble is, many of the LDS scriptures
are telling the o.christians what their scriptures say. Got it?

> is a standard anti-Mormon tactics. When it is shown that what they are claiming
> and saying comes far too short of the actual truth than they quickly change the
> subject, not just to one other issue but a whole slew of them (they bring out
> the BIG mud canon).
> 
Ok, now back to square one. Grace+works doctrines lead people to feelings
of inadequecy(there, is that better?)which leads people to wonder if
they have ever done enough. without the DUTY of works, with Grace alone,
one is free to work more spontaneously without the feelings of ,"have I
done enough? do I need do more"? for rewards. 
Maybe you, Frank Farkas never feel that, but the works-by-duty doctrine
leaves the exploitation door wide open for those that do.
> You are trully a great politician, who are great about giving none answers
> and changing the subject.

Frank, you really need to look in a mirror.
> 
> You claimed that I misunderstood the meaning of "guilt" because I confused
> it with "fear" and mentioned "hell" in conection with it. Have you yet 
> looked the word up and have you studied it? Based on your defination we
> Mormons are racked with "fearless quilt". While we feel constant quilt, we

You pulled out one(only one)of three possible definitions(I looked it
up too). Of course you used the def. that most supported your tirade.
You were obsessed with "hell" in your response to me. I never implied
the word. I thought I used "guilt" in the context of "never knowing if
one has done enough".

[While we feel constant guilt, we]
> have no fear of any kind of punishment at all. We are free to feel guilt at
> anytime.

Amen Brother.

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