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Reply-To:     Henry Budgett <henryb@SCO.COM>
From:         Henry Budgett <henryb@SCO.COM>
Subject:      Why can't I get I see my EPS files in PM?

{}Could someone explain why Pagemaker sometimes only displays a box on screen
{}where I've placed an EPS file and it can't seem to build a PICT
 representation?
{}Is there anything I can do to change that or do I have to use a different
{}format?

Well, if you drew it on a Mac in Illustrator and saved it as EPS
this might happen as Illustrator doesn't automagically include
the preview (PICT header). Same is true for Corel on the PC where
you always have to remember to include the header.

If you drew it on a PC and moved it across to the Mac no
surprise! Many of the PC packages can't put the right header in.
The same is true for the reverse journey.

Basically, Monte, it's a mess! Best vendor faux pas of the lot
was Mecanorma who discovered that you could embed a TIFF header
at the front of an EPS and so did this to their extensive
graphics library. They teamed up in the UK with Aldus to launch
this - Worked great with PageMaker as the same files worked on
both PC and Mac. Unfortunately, nobody checked to see if FreeHand
would read the files in... The TIFF header stopped both FreeHand and
Illustrator reading the files in for editing!!! Lotsa red faces.

So, it's all down to that header. If it's not there, or it's in
an incompatible format you get the grey box. Image still prints
though as the PostScript interpreter just skips past it. So, back
to the electronic drawing board and let us know what packages and
what steps then maybe I can help more (if everyone else doesn't
beat me to it!).


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Reply-To:     "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject: Re: TAN: Pat's Printer question

Thanks Felix for setting the record straight. I was too narrow minded in not
thinking of SIMMs as ROM, EPROM, PROM, etc. Was thinking only of RAM. Should
have added the parity chip information about the IBM to Mac SIMMs and apologize
for that omission.

I knew someone would set the record straight!

Tx again.

Monte
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Subject:      subscribe me please

please subscribe me

or provide instructions that show me how.

Thanks.
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Reply-To:     Jim Charles <JIM@SAFETY.NWSCC.SEA06.NAVY.MIL>
From:         Jim Charles <JIM@SAFETY.NWSCC.SEA06.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Graphics

Which is the best format to use for graphics in PM for the mac? I
have access to a large number of formats.


Jim Charles
Computer Data Systems Inc.
Naval Surface Warfare Center
Crane, Indiana
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Reply-To:     "Hal J. Greene" <72531.625@COMPUSERVE.COM>
From:         "Hal J. Greene" <72531.625@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      REPLY

Well I can't answer ALL of your questions, but I can answer a couple of basic
areas:

ESTIMATING.

Never give any kind of discounted estimate that you can unreasonably be held
to at a later date, i.e., don't give an estimate that includes a discounted
portion based upon other portions of the job (you used an example where you
discounted some design work because you figured in profits from the printing.
Wrong.)  Your estimate should look something like this:

                   Design..............$100.00
                   Masters............ .$50.00
                   Plates ............ .$50.00
                   Printing............$500.00
                   Binding.............$250.00
                   Total...............$950.00
        Discount for combined work......$95.00   (10%)
                   Net price...........$855.00

Let your customer pick and choose which services he wants, but look like a
hero if you can save him money on the overall job.

MASTERS.

The customer owns the entire job after he's done paying for it.  That means
masters, plates, computer files, TIFFs, EVERYTHING - the entire kitchen.  You
cannot keep a part of the job simply because you'd like to make it harder for
your client to reproduce it or go to another print shop, this will only lead
to quick resentment.  You charged him for it, he paid for it, it's his.

STORAGE.

Good customer service says that for major jobs - especially for repeatable
jobs - you store the plates and masters for your client IF HE SO CHOOSES free
of charge.  That way, theoretically at least, they don't get damaged or
misplaced and he can order a reprint by phone.  Again, charging for storage or
simply refusing to store them leads to sure resentment.  If you absolutely
cannot store these items then they must be handed over with the print job.

MASTERS & PROOFS.

Don't tell me you're actually giving out the masters to read!?  Horrors!  Even
if you are charging your client piecemeal (that is, you're only charging up to
the masters) always give out PHOTOCOPIES!  Get a fine screen of some large
type that says GALLEY or PROOF or your logo or something on a transparency and
superimpose it on the proof before you photocopy it and give it to your
client.  This is perfectly acceptable.
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:22:22 +0000
Reply-To:     Henry Budgett <henryb@SCO.COM>
From:         Henry Budgett <henryb@SCO.COM>
Subject: Re: TAN: Pat's Printer question

{}Yes Monte, yes Jeff. I know what SIMMs are. I have just read about
{}that PostScript SIMMs. Because it was in czech edition of PC World,
{}I try to translate the sentence: "Software to PostScript emulation is
{}for LJ 4 supplied in form of SIMMs, so one cartridge slot is
{}missing." Maybe author of this article is wrong, but I'm not sure.
{}Make me clear -- does PostScript upgrade contains processor and other
{}things or only interpreter program in memory? And can be ROM instead
{}of RAM in SIMM slots?

{}Vlad

Let's clear this up once and for all (folorn hope...)

HP supplies its PostScript interpreter for the IIIsi and the new
LaserJet 4 in the physical form of a SIMM. This Single In-line
Memory Module is a small printed circuit board with an edge
connector (hence the In-line bit) that plugs into a standard
memory socket in both the IIIsi and the LaserJet 4. The board
carries a ROM (maybe more than one, can't be bothered to strip
down my IIIsi) that contains the PostScript interpreter. The
processing power is provided by the standard CPU that already
does the PCL number crunching. I'm not sure that the two SIMMs
are the same, the IIIsi (as far as I know) uses a conventional
Motorola CPU while the LaserJet 4 uses a RISC processor so it
seems unlikely that the same ROM will work for both.

SIMM has become synonymous with RAM, it isn't. A SIMM is just a
standard memory module and can be fitted with any type of memory
device; RAM, ROM, EPROM, etc.

Clear as mud!


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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:02:22 CDT
Reply-To:     Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
From:         Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      TAN: Wasting bandwidth saving face and being right...

Boy, I go away for a long weekend and come back to a mailbox afire with
flaming notices of my supposed ignorance.  Thanks first for all those who
attempted to save my good name and spare me the anguish of admitting a
mistake.  Thanks also to Vladimer (sorry if I spelled that wrong) and Felix
for pointing out a few things about the new HP LaserJet 4, and thanks to
Henry for the additional mud in my face. :)

I won't waste much more time, but you guys have been waiting for this, an
opportunity to get me.  Well, touche'  I obviously read Pat's original
message with too critical an eye toward a dealer that claimed he had no
LaserJet 4M but could put together something just as good from spare parts he
had lying around; you've got to admitt, these days dealers will do their
darnest to not loose a sale, including selling junk.

But, Pat, if your dealer, as bizarre as it may seem, has the PostScript ROM
module, the AppleTalk interface, and the LaserJet 4 lying around his shop but
no way of getting a LaserJet 4M before the middle of January, let him put it
together -- if it's all HP, it's the same unit.

Finally, HP _Marketing_ literature does call the PostScript module a SIMM,
technical support and their documentation calls it a module.  However, for
those of you upgrading don't try to plug the PostScript ROMs into a standard
64 or 96-pin memory slot, the PostScript SIMM is a very special 128-pin
processor direct slot.

So for everyone who's been keeping up with this soap opera and thought they
got me, go bask in the glory and have a Coke (the generic SIMM term of the
beverage world) on me. :)



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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:45:59 +0000
Reply-To:     Henry Budgett <henryb@SCO.COM>
From:         Henry Budgett <henryb@SCO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Graphics

In a reply to Jim Charles, Susan Hagan said ...

Another hint w/ PICT graphics - Rather than importing them, I cut and
paste them into the document.  That way I don't have to save a copy
of the picture with the document.

PM requires an external copy of graphics to be kept in the same folder
with the document, otherwise, it won't be able to find it and incorporate
it into the document.  This means that the archived document will be
bigger.  However, if you cut and paste the picture into the document,
you can get rid of the original.  Fewer pieces to keep track of.


Be warned - this is dangerous! First, especially with scanned or
other bitmap images, it can make your PageMaker file VERY big and
this is not a good idea. (Consider backing up, taking to the
bureau, risk if soemthing goes bad...)

Second, the whole point to PageMaker's links is so that you can
keep the PM file small and just keep the original. If you paste
and dump (as you suggest) you can NEVER get the original back!
Sure, you can cut and paste between documents but you may want to
re-use in a different environment, edit it, etc, etc.


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From:         Jeff Bone <JBONE@DOPIG.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Can PageMaker handle BIG tiff files?

Bradley writes...

> Has anyone had success dealing with large raster (i.e., TIFF) files
> under Windows?  All of a sudden, I need to work with 3Mb+ TIFF files
> and Ami Pro, Corel Draw and Photofinish are puking their guts out.
> (This on a 486 with 20Mb RAM and 200+ Mb free space).

PageMaker, PhotoStyler, and FreeHand can all handle very large TIFF files.  I
personally have worked with 100+ Mb TIFF files in PhotoStyler before.  I
don't recommend it, but that is more a factor of your hardware and Windows
than just the software.  Practically speaking, I would not try to use a TIFF
file larger than 20 Mb in PhotoStyler nor larger than 6-8 Mb in PageMaker or
FreeHand.  What are you planning to do?



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From: dmike@intacc.uucp (Michael DeKoven)
Subject: Re:      TAN: Who owns the masters?
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:07:37 GMT
Organization: Matrix Artists' Network

Just a few thoughts on the subject. I do some freelance DTP and
illustration work and I handle the whole job problem by quoting a
higher price less a discount if I handle an entire job. This way
the client knows what he or she is going to have to pay for what-ever
amount of work I do.

I also use a contract for all but the simplest jobs, which spells out
in advance what I will do for the quote given, and tells the client
there will be extra charges for services not specified. Its been my
experience that nobody reads the contract, but they sign it so they
can't complain later. The contract also explicitly states who owns
the finished product, and if I have any concerns I'll include 
restrictions on future usage. These restrictions would have to be
enforced by court action, which I haven't the time nor money to 
persue, but it leaves me the option should I choose to do so, and
(I feel) has some pychological effect.

As a matter of principle I *never* give the electronic file to a 
client (except when working under contract, on their equipment), as
it is too easy for them to make alterations or re-use all or part of
a piece. It also is not in my financial interests to give them a file
they can take apart and learn how I did a particular illustration (let
'em learn the hard way, like I had to). :-)  If somebody absolutly 
had to have an electronic copy, I would give it to them, but I would
charge an outrageous amount of money for it.

As for archiving material, my limited print-shop experience suggests
there isn't any standard for keeping plates. One shop I worked at 
threw out everything after a job was finished (which makes little sense
if you know you'll be getting another order for the same business cards
in six months), while another seemed to keep everything forever (except
paper plates of course). Two extremes, so take your pick and put that in
the contract.

Flippancy about lawsuits and people not reading contracts aside, I have
found people are reasonable about paying a fair price for work once they
understand what that work involves. A little time spent with a client
explaining the options available to them, and the pros and cons of each
can really pay off.

If you get any responces about how to estimate, I'd really be interested
in hearing about them. After 4 years doing this on and off I still have
to eat a few jobs.

Michael DeKoven
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Subject: creating postcript files with pagemaker 3.0 (help request)
Date: 19 Dec 92 14:40:27 GMT
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	How can I get a postcript file from a pagemaker file? 
	Pagemaker 4.0 has that as an option in the PRINT OPTIONS
	menu, but 3.0 does not.  But I thought there might be
	some way of doing it, maybe in a similar way as with
	MacDraw (pressing command-F while printing stores the
	file in a postsscript form).

	Any help will be greatly appreciated.

	Ron  
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From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Why can't I get I see my EPS files in PM?

Could someone explain why Pagemaker sometimes only displays a box on screen
where I've placed an EPS file and it can't seem to build a PICT representation?
Is there anything I can do to change that or do I have to use a different
format?

Thanks for any help.

Monte Olsen
Oregon State University
Corvallis, OR
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Subject:      Please disregard

I think I just inconvenienced a lot of people with my request for
subscription.  Seconds after I sent that message, I read another message which
had the instructions in it.

Sorry for the interruption.  Back to your regularly scheduled program, already
in progress...


....and I don't that gritty chalky taste...


:-)

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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:33:55 -0800
Reply-To:     "Darryl G. Hosford" <dhosfor@EIS.CALSTATE.EDU>
From:         "Darryl G. Hosford" <dhosfor@EIS.CALSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Why can't I get I see my EPS files in PM?

On Tue, 15 Dec 1992, Monte B. Olsen wrote:

> Could someone explain why Pagemaker sometimes only displays a box on screen
> where I've placed an EPS file and it can't seem to build a PICT representation
 ?
> Is there anything I can do to change that or do I have to use a different
> format?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Monte Olsen
> Oregon State University
> Corvallis, OR


As far as I know, EPS files are not visable in PM.  Only files that have
bitmaped images within the EPS file are visible.  I think that the problem
is in the actual file.

Hope that this helps.

Darryl
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From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Why can't I get I see my EPS files in PM?

Thanks Henry and Jani for your very informative replies. You guys better be
careful or they're going to be calling you "gurus." ;-)

Monte
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Reply-To:     TRUTH -- Geof Peters -- <TRUTH@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
From:         TRUTH -- Geof Peters -- <TRUTH@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject:      TAN: Ima leavin on a jet plane

Hello fellow Pagemakers!

Just thought I would let everyone know that I am leaving until early
January for Christmas break. (One of the only benefits of being a
student that I use regularly other than the extra buck at the movies
;) Thus, all of the administrative rigamarole, mumbojumbo (look at
the derivation of that word in the dictionary!) will be reverting
back to the wonderful "real-listowner" of this list -- Cindy Stone.
Thanks Cindy and everyone for helping out!

I hope everyone has a great Christmas!

Love, Truth and Peace!  Geof.
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Reply-To:     Vladimir Kubak <KUBAK@RUPNW.UPOL.CS>
From:         Vladimir Kubak <KUBAK@RUPNW.UPOL.CS>
Subject: Re: TAN: Pat's Printer question

Yes Monte, yes Jeff. I know what SIMMs are. I have just read about
that PostScript SIMMs. Because it was in czech edition of PC World,
I try to translate the sentence: "Software to PostScript emulation is
for LJ 4 supplied in form of SIMMs, so one cartridge slot is
missing." Maybe author of this article is wrong, but I'm not sure.
Make me clear -- does PostScript upgrade contains processor and other
things or only interpreter program in memory? And can be ROM instead
of RAM in SIMM slots?

Vlad
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