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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:58:15 HST
From:         James Shimabukuro <JAMESS@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: (Fwd: *C&CD*) RE: RE: Jazz, Imitatio, Writing (9)

Re memory schemes -- it's been years, but I vaguely recall the layout of a
typical Roman house as a means to store, for easier recall, parts of a
speech.  Introductory material are stored in objects at the entrance of the
house, the next batch of information in furniture, etc., in the first room;
and so on throughout the rest of the house.  In this way, a speaker could
recall the parts of his speech by mentally stepping through his home.
Jim S.
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>
> Stephen Reid at Colorado State U and Joy Reid, now at U of Wyoming, used it a
> lot--Steve did the original research that always gets quoted.  Don't know if
> he/they still do and they're not on the list.  I can give you an e-address if
> you widsh.
> Liz Hamp-Lyons
>
Liz:
Can you give me Stephen Reid's e-address?  Thanks.

--
Irvin Peckham
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:48:00 EST
From:         "JEFFREY R. GALIN" <GALIN@PITTVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Testimonial for Textra

Don Wrote:

> For the money ($28.00), I don't know of a better word-processing
> software on the market (unsolicted testimony, for which I receive

I just wanted to second his enthusiasm for Textra.  I've used about ten
different word processors over the years and have never found one I like
better than Textra.  The spelling checher is the best on the market.
It has the capacity for eight split screens.  And . . . .  I could go
on.  This too is an unsolicited testimony.  I just like the software.
jeff galin
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:35:02 EDT
From:         Bill Condon <USERLCBK@UMICHUM.BITNET>
Subject:      Assessment

Russ,
When you make your case to your administration, you might make two
important points:

1.  Though you CAN use scores, by doing so you send exactly the
wrong message to the high schools, Jr. and Community colleges
that send their students to you.  If YOU say writing isn't important,
which is what you say when you place students based on objective
tests, then you ca't gripe when students come to you having done
almost no writing.  In other words, there's a good chance you'll
contribute to making your teaching situation WORSE, which will
cost more in the long run.

2.  Which leads to the fact that you ought to argue (and maybe
implement) the fact that direct tests of writing can be more
cost-efficient than standardized tests.  Ed White made this point
in his keynote at last week's Portfolio conference at Miami U
(Ohio).  ALL you get from a standardized test is a placement;
you CAN, if you work it right, get quite a lot more out of the
process of administering and scoring a direct test.

And Ijust thought of a third:  with all the world, it seems, moving
toward portfolio assessment, why go in the exact opposite direction?

At any rate, good luck fighting the good fight.

Bill Condon
English Composition Board
1025 Angell Hall
University of Michigan
Ann Arbor, MI 48109
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:50:18 EDT
From:         Ann Green <USERTFSH@UMICHUM.BITNET>
Subject:      permissions

I'm giving a talk at the League for Innovation in the Community College next
week on "Assessing the Impact of Instructional Technology on Teaching and
Learning" (dreadful title, I ow).  Two colleagues will present statistical
talks and I will be telling stories about what it's like to teach in an
electronic environment.  The recent "community of learners" talk was timely.
Much of what was said would be excellent to pass o to faculty and admins
who haven't experienced this.  Are there any objections to me quoting you,
Bob Boston, Doyle Burke, David Schwalm, Fred Kemp, Nick Carbone, Rhoda
Carroll, Jim Shimabukuro?  Nothing to be taken out of context, I assure
you.  Thx.  Ann Green/JCC
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Date: 15 Oct 92 14:47:26 GMT
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              14 Oct 1992 22:24:00 CST from <ykflb@TTACS1.TTU.EDU>

On Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:24:00 CST brown, lady said:
>Yes.  That was a DEBATE!?  I especially liked the admiral's
>comments about a woman's right to choose.  Period!

And the moderator's response was fun: Oh, that's it?
Difficult to conceive of a politician (a term that
applies only loosely to Stockdale) who is curt.
--Eric
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:20:00 CDT
From:         Fred Kemp <YKFOK@TTACS.BITNET>
Subject:      right, Bob C.

As MBU list owner (whatever authority or snickering that
engenders) let me agree with Bob Connors' remarks defending the
music discussion (or any discussion).  Over two years now we
have kept a solid core of 100-120 of the same people, in spite of
a purposeful resistence to guidance or direction in the
discourse.  Another hundred come and go (we have about 220 right
now).  Those who stick have somehow managed to handle the range
of discussion and the apparent digressions (which, like the music
discussion and the "rhetoric of jazz" discussion are not always
as digressive as they seem to the casual reader) and have
remained loyal to the chaos.  I also agree with Bob that message
headers that reflect the content in some way or other make it
easier on everybody.  Fred, TTU
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From:         Russ Hunt <HUNT@UNB.CA>
Subject:      Alternatives to Daedalus for MS-DOS systems?

Jim Shimabukuro says:
>                                          Are there inexpensive, or free,
> network programs with some or most of the features found in Daedalus?
> Essential features are: log-ins with passwords, a listing of current
> assignments, live chat mode in large and small groups (conferences), and
> e-mail (with private/public switches).
     These are just about our needs, too.  At present we're
running NOVELL 3.15 (I think that's the version number) and a
freeware package called DougMenu on top of it for managing
signons and student access to software.  It manages a
wordprocessor (we're using WordPerfect because so many other
institutions use it, and in spite of my conviction that it's a
terrible program for beginners -- or, for that matter, for pros)
and an email system (Pegasus Mail, which as far as we can find
out is becoming a sort of standard, and deserves to be), and
we're looking extremely hard for a bulletin board program that
will present our novice users with an interface they can
understand -- something between the simplicity of Pegasus Mail
and the impenetrability of WordPerfect.  I'd be very happy to
hear suggestions for a bulletin board that would allow ongoing
asynchronous discussions.  We used a defunct freeware program
called BrainStorm last year but it's not available this year, and
I found the online discussions the most valuable part of last
year's courses.  So did many of the students.  If anyone knows of
something I'd be very happy to hear directly (I'll wait for Jim's
summary, but if I could get hold of something useful I'd install
it tomorrow).
     A note on Jim's earlier reported endorsement of Textra --
we used it last year and found it very successful: easy to learn
and powerful enough.  Two problems: it doesn't exist in a network
version, and even if you ask students each to buy their own
(Norton's suggestion solution) there are problems with handling
network files.  And it's not easily convertible to other formats,
though I understand version 2.5 is going to rectify this.
                                    -- Russ
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:26:00 EST
From:         "Rhoda Carroll, Vermont College,
              Montpelier" <RHODA%MUNIN@NORWICH.BITNET>
Subject:      Somebody kiss Bob Boston for me

Yeah Bob, 25? 26?  Too young for e-mom?  In your dreams!  (In mine
actually).  Thanks for making me laugh (again).  I'm working on
a proposal for ANn Arbor with two distinguished Megabeees (who
may be darkly lurking and on the verge of jumping in) but funds
are so tight this year I'm not sure I could get a grant to
cross the street. Hello also to Karen in the warm southwest --
the two of you have such dazzling expertise it makes me dizzy.

Rhoda Carroll
Rhoda@Norwich.Bitnet
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:36:24 CDT
From:         Ellen Redding Kaler <KALER@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Easing rhet student isolation

Well, yes, Jim.  We do have a two-c's discussion group "Composition
Conversations" that is offering voice and community to a small, young,
and shifting group (_mainly_ graduate students).  We meet twice a month
this year, after starting up with monthly sessions last year.  And really, our
Graduate Student Colloquium series is very much what you describe.  I'll
let you know when I find out the year's schedule.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:12:00 PDT
From:         Gordon Thomas <ENGLAB@IDUI1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Class Size

At the University of Idaho (10,000 students), which really isn't too
similar to UCLA, class size for all writing courses, upper and lower
division, is set at 25, except for ESL section of introductory comp.,
where the limit is 15.
From: YKFTM@TTACS.BITNET (Tamra Mabe)
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Date: 14 Oct 92 19:27:00 GMT
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I taped it off of Comedy Central.  Now THAT was real commentary. I agree that it
 was more interesting than the the first, definitely!  Now comes the fun one--
the presidential candidates get to face a panel and then the free-for-all with a
moderator in one night!!  It's times like these I wish I were a comedian. . . .
or a talkshow host.

Tamra Mabe, TTU
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:34:00 EST
From:         Joel Nydahl <NYDAHL@BABSON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: mandatory portables

Dickie:  At last report, Nichols College (Dudley, MA) was still requiring
all students turchase portaesYou might check with them.
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:37:37 HST
From:         James Shimabukuro <JAMESS@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Basic writing, again and again

Hi Michael Day:
   Yes, I continue to have my students read their peer review drafts aloud in
small groups.  I'm quickly drifting toward Daedalus in a networked classroom
and finding InterChange indispensable in the pre-planning and planning phases
of the writing process.  However, I still have students print out their
drafts and read them aloud to their peers.  Others using Daedalus do
everything on-line, including draft reviews.  At first, I had them working in
groups formed by the computer tables: pairs facing each other.  However, I
now have them working in the foursomes formed between tables: much more
intimate and friendly without monitors, tables, etc., in between.  The
reason?  I think they need to hear their own voices and see audience
reaction.  Pleasure, joy, amusement, pain, anger, warmth, humor,
empathy--much of what the audience feels is inchoate, and it is often much
more effectively communicated to the writer via nonverbal cues, exclamations,
a touch, perhaps.  Reading aloud also helps the writer detect awkward
constructions, missing transitions, needed explanations, examples, etc., in
his/her own paper.  Also, I tend to enjoy the writerly noise in a classroom.
The clicking of keyboards in an otherwise silent classroom doesn't feel right
to me.  I encourage the students to talk out their ideas, problems, etc., in
all phases of their writing.
Jim Shimabukuro
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:03:51 -0600
From:         "(Michael Day)" <mday@SILVER.SDSMT.EDU>
Subject:      new age music

Much as I like Jazz, I have to agree with Bob C and Wes that new age
music does have its own richness, complexity, and purpose (at least
some of it).  I love Chick Corea and Keith Jarrett too, but tell me
(you can't convince me) that some passages of Liz Story don't rival
their lyricism, or that Michael Manring isn't a fine bass player.
(interesting double negative).  I like to listen to this stuff when
I'm working, or need calming, or just plain reflective.  Jazz I reserve
for when I'm upbeat or have the blues.  And Martin, remember I told
you I play the piano?  Well, there's a reason I never played for you
(We were never newr a piano?  Details, details!)  My style gets
compared to G. Winston's just as often as it does to K. Jarrett's.
And where do you put Pat Metheny and Lyle Mays?  Both camps claim
them...

I know, I know.  Off the topic.  But...

Michael Day
mday@silver.sdsmt.edu
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:31:00 CST
From:         Ted Hansen <TEDH%TIGGER.DECNET@MSUS1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: class size

At St. Cloud State Univ. (Minn.; 16,000; quarter system), we have the
following caps:
        Basic writing:          20
        ESL:                    20
        Freshman Comp'n I & II: 25
  (The courses above have absolute caps; no instructor may exceed them.
   For the advanced courses, instructors have some latitude.)

        Junior-level major writing courses,
         expos. and creative writing:           20
        Senior-graduate level writing courses:
                                Senior:         15 max
                                Grad:           10 or 5 max
          Combined total, double-#'d courses:   20/25

Ted Hansen
Assoc. Professor
English Dept.
TEDH@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
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Date: 14 Oct 92 21:29:55 GMT
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This conversation certainly made me rethink my own position regarding
computers and writing.  I haven't yet made the move to electronic
writing/talking/being.  Am considering though.  Part of my resistance
has to do with availability of computers--hassle of scheduling classes
in the comp. lab.
  I think working with the electronic community will teach us(me)
something about reconstructing the traditional text/discussion centered
classroom.  I still feel a little leery about someone's suggestion
that it's good-bye orality, hello virtuality.  I certainly have
enjoyed the chats on purtopoi and mbu (which I have just timourously
edged into), but I prefer the touch of family and friends.  I like
communicating with my students via e-mail (and reading them communicating
with one another), but I would be seriously disturbed if they disappeared
into screens.  I don't know whether I am just hanging around the
campfire or sending smoke signals or . . .

--
Irvin Peckham
Internet: peckham@unomaha.edu
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:54:40 CDT
From:         Bob Boston <S2.RSB@ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Dubiosity from Michael Joyce

Michael J., I for one have read and heard enough of your stuff to know that
you're absolutely right to be dubious of anyone who agrees with you.
Therefore, uh..., I guess I agree with you.

The Dubious Bobby B.
From Ioway
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Bob: I'm teaching in a networked classroom for the first time (Daedalus on
Macs), and I especially like this sense of community, which was missing when
I taught in a traditional classroom.  I hadn't noticed, until you mentioned
it.
Jim S.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:33:00 EST
From:         BECKY RICKLY <00RJRICKLY@BSUVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Alternate IRC Topics

For those of us who have been able to locate the Faigley reading
(probably because some overzealous bud has checked the book out
ahead of us), I'd like to suggest a secondary thread of conversation for
IRC:  How about a discussion on imitatio and its network applications?

Looking forward to seeing y'all there--Thursday, 9:00 cdt, Channel
#cw.


Becky Rickly
Ball State University
00RJRICKLY@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
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From:         Ellen Redding Kaler <KALER@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: What about cognates?

Bill Condon--
A Department of Discourse would be good:   would ally easily with
Communication Studies & Speech people (these people are housed as
neighbors here at Kansas, but hardly acknowledged, much less communicated
with.
Or how about a Textual Studies department inclusive of _W_riting and writing:
published texts, evolving texts.  Studying the production and reception of
texts, literary and OTHER, has given my own schizoid grad school experience
some semblance of a unifying umbrella.  Personal perspective created and
maintained for sanity, NO departmental authorization for such liberality!
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From:         Roni Keane <VKEANE@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: End Of The World, Part I (*MBU*) (1)

Lili and Eric,

I had the same reaction as you folks, but then again, MBU requires permission
too. I'll grant that End of the World is a "finished piece" as opposed to
the off the cuff stuff on MBU. On the other hand, since anyone can log onto
MBU messages have to be considered public rather than public. Which, of course
doesn't mean that use of the material posted cannot be put in context. Then
again, if people are afraid to write freely for fear of saying something
stupid that could be quoted, what fun would there be on MBU? --Roni
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:56:00 CDT
From:         Fred Kemp <YKFOK@TTACS.BITNET>
Subject:      CCCC in San Diego

From:   BITNET%"HSCHWART@INDYCMS"      "Helen Schwartz"  6-OCT-1992 16:53:01.35
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Please forward this message to MegabyteU:

Chairs and associate chairs are needed (quickly!) for the San Diego
meeting of the Conference on College Composition and Communication,
April 1-3, 1993.  If you are committed to going to San Diego,
please send your name and snailmail address to Lillian Bridwell-Bowles.

However, you may send your name and address to her via e-mail at the
following addresses (of her assistant):

WENDVIC@umnacvx (bitnet)
WENDVIC@vx.acs.umn.edu (internet)

Feel free to forward this message to likely people and lists.  Thank you.
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Subject:      Eric access

I got a garbled version of the message about how to access ERIC online.
Could someone repost it so that I get a clear version?  Thanks much.

Bob C.
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:01:00 EDT
From:         "Composition Digest (Robert Royar,
              Moderator)" <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>
Subject:      (Fwd: *C&CD*) RE: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Jazz as folk music,
              (*COMP.COMP*) (22)

Date: 9 Oct 92 06:21:23 GMT
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COMPDIGEST (r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu) wrote:
:
: Another interesting Jazz aside (possibly just radio propoganda): Some of
: the late 19thc. NORLANS Jazz bands (some recorded on wax and tin cylinders)
: had "klezmar" [sic] muscians newly immigrated from eastern Europe.  Listen
: to some of Wynton Marsalis' pieces (talk about a family of Bachs!) for
: tonalities found in romanian, hungarian, and other eastern european
: music--also sounds from the middle east.  Some of his quotations just reach
: out and snap you to attention.  Oh well, jazz is grand.
:


     An interesting aside: Today, Wynton Marsalis did a workshop for young
jazz musicians here at Amherst. He spoke at length about the history and
roots of jazz music. According to Marsalis, the music developed when
working, country, black individuals became enamoured with the sophistocation
of western classical music. These pioneers took their own tradition and
infused it with "European" elements. It is quite possible that the klezmer
tradition was included in this. Klezmer bears a striking resemblance to
Dixieland jazz.



Harris Wulfson    HJWULFSON@Amherst.edu

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From:         James Shimabukuro <JAMESS@UHUNIX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Reply to M.D's ritualized behaviour

Nick Carbone,
   You've mentioned Charles Moran in previous posts.  Is he the same person
who wrote an article on word processing and writing instruction in one of the
NCTE journals ca. ten years ago?  I remember it fondly as the first "warm and
fuzzy" piece about computers.  It got me thinking about computers.  Back
then, it was a tough decision between a Commodore 64 and Kaypro 2.  I finally
opted for the latter because of the bundled software.  It seemed like SOOO
much, back then.  Anyway, if memory serves and Charles Moran is the guy I'm
thinking of, please thank him.
Jim Shimabukuro
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