Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:40:39 EST
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.politics
Subject: Re: Reagan dodged the draft!

In article <01GRBXRPEPXA007GUR@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU>, The Integral Differential
<DEMON@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU> says:
>
>>Andy:
>>In article <01GRAX9L8GYW008E3A@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU>, DEMON@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU   e
>(Th
>>Integral Differential) says:
>>>
>>>>>        Reagan is hardly a hypocrite.  The army asked him to make films.
>
>        Note that this in no way equates acting with combat.
>
>>>>>Brett'
>>>>
>>>>Oh, I see "I'm not a soldier, but I play one in films" is it?I thought it  s
>wa
>>>>only Reagan who confused his films with reality (if you were joking, I'm
>>)
>>>sorry
>>>>Sylvester Stallone dodged the draft during Vietnam (he taught in a convent
>>>>school in Switzerland) yet he plays Rambo, a Vietnam war hero, I suppose
>you
>>>>see no hypocricy in that either?
>>>
>>>        I fail to see how you can equate serving your country as the army   s
>ask
>>>you with "dodging".  And who cares about Rambo?
>>
>>Well it was you who equated acting in films with combat. There were many
>
>        Nice attempt to "dodge" the question :).
>
>        So, once again, how do you equate *serving as requested* with
>*dodging*?  Notice that acting is not mentioned in that question.  Nor are any
>acting == combat assertions.
>
>>actors during WWII who could have taken Reagan's route, instead many served
>>and some died.
>
>        They could only have taken that route if the Army asked them.  When
>you
>arrive at the processing center, they don't ask you where you want to go, they
>tell you.
>
>>Reagan had a choice, he chose to take the dodge and stay in
>>Holywood.
>
>        Reagan had no choice.  It was make films.
>
>        There was no dodge.
>
>>Reagan as Clinton took a legal alternative to the draft, by
>
>        Reagan took no alternative.  He served as asked.  There was no "uh,
>yeah, just as soon as I finish this school thingy..."
>
>>the definition we seem to be using, that is a dodge. If you want to be
>
>        Only you (and maybe T :) seem to be using that definition.  Next
>you'll
>tell us that Bush "dodged" because he wasn't in the infantry?  How about those
>accountants who managed supply back in the states?  Is you definition of
>"dodge" that the person never got shot at?
>
>>strict in your usage than the people who dodged are those who fled to
>>Canada or tore up or ignored their draft notices, by THAT definition neither
>>Clinton nor Quayle is a draft dodger in the strict sense.
>
>        Dodging has a pretty standard defintion: those who avoided the draft
>through political means, by simply not reporting or by leaving the country.
>
>        Which did Reagan do?

         Which did Clinton do?
>
>>I suggest you cant
>>take one definiton and apply it to Clinton and then use another definition
>>and use it to excuse Reagan, that is intellectually dishonest. If Clinton
>>dodged the draft, so did Reagan.
>
>        Nice strawman.  Set up an argument that no one has used, then say
>"gosh
>that's dishonest" like you've proven something.
>
>        I must say I can understand why people are going to nomail.  The level
>of debate here is pathetic.
>
>Brett'