HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:43:49 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) writes:

>>BTW, it is extremely funny to hate books instead of those authors and alike 
>>who provok hatred.

It's even funnier to see people hating someone when it's their ideas
that provoke the hatred :-)

But now I understand why there are so many rants and raves lately.... 

>The point is to not hate.  And if someone feels they must hate
>something, then they should hate the ideas.  But if people go on
>hating each other, progress isn't being made.  As far as the author of
>those ideas, pity is probably the more appropriate emotion to be used.
>It's not a radical new idea, it's been around about two thousand years.

Ummm, I don't know about that. I sure hate myself when I let
somebody else take control of my life to the point where I can't
get along unless they do something or other (like apologize :)

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fester@etorofu.island.COM ()
Subject: Singapore and Yamamoto
Followup-To: Mr Breen
Originator: fester@etorofu
Organization: Island Graphics, Marin County, California
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:33:24 GMT

To Mr Jim Breen;

Regards our recent discussion on the death of Yamamoto and the Fall of 
Singapore:

I was able to visit a local bookshop last night and did a quick check on our
recent topics of discussion.

From _The Eagle and th Sun_ : There were in fact 18 P-38s (as you state) 
assigned to intercept and kill Yamamoto. (They do not mention any with engine
trouble, and I have received email from people that indicate several planes
broke down en route). My confusion resulted from the fact that 4 of the 
Lightnings broke off engagements from the 9 escorting Zeros when they saw the
bombers diving away, which is why the number 4 stick in my memory. As an 
anecdote, on a recent (~8 months ago) A&E special on Yamamoto, the pilot who 
shot down Yamamoto was interviewed; he said the burst that killed Yamamoto came
when he was trying to clear his guns and get into attack position. The bomber
flew directly into the line of fire.

From _2142 Days of War_, p 209: There were 51 Hurricanes at Singapore. They
were flown there from Libya immediately after Pearl Harbor, and were still
equipped with their desert filters over the air inlets. The first Japanese
raid on Singapore resulted in the loss of 9 of the 10 unescorted Bettys. The
second raid was escorted with Hurricanes, and 17 of the Hawker's aircraft 
were shot down.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - These opiini^H^H damn! ^H^H ^Q ^[ .... :w  :q  :wq  :wq! ^d  X ^?
exit X Q  ^C ^? :quitbye  CtrlAltDel   ~~q  :~q  logout  save/quit :!QUIT
^[zz ^[ZZZZZZ ^H  man vi ^@  ^L  ^[c  ^# ^E ^X ^I ^T ? help  helpquit ^D  ^d 
man help ^C ^c help exit ?Quit ?q CtrlShftDel "Hey, what does this button d..."
From: n44@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Where to write for JET pgm
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:00:11 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

Where would I write to to get more inforon/application
for the JET program. Please post. Thanks. John
Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:6665 rec.travel:11765
From: davis@reaumur.ilog.fr (Harley Davis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,rec.travel
Subject: Re: Japanese books in France?
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:14:32 GMT
Organization: ILOG S.A., Gentilly, France
In-reply-to: grob@opera.chorus.fr's message of 13 Aug 92 09:07:31 GMT


In article <14023@chorus.fr> grob@opera.chorus.fr (Lori Grob) writes:

   In article <1992Aug12.094818.1@sissa.it>, radikkio@sissa.it writes:
   %% 
   %% 	Dear netters,
   %% 
   %% 		From 3 to 17 September I will be in France (Cote d'Azur, 
   %% Avignone, Digione, Paris, Lyon, etc.). The question is: where can I find a 
   %% Japanese bookshop or a bookshop with a large amount of Jap books?

   There is at least one Japanese Book store in Paris,
   near the Opera.
   You will find books in Japanese at FNAC as well, both
   in Les Halles and on Rue de Rennes. Though certainly 
   you will find more at the Japanese Book Store.

Actually, the best bet aside from the Japanese bookstore is probably
the FNAC International Bookstore on Boulevard St. Germain near the
Boulevard St. Michel.  The other FNACs are very limited.

-- Harley Davis
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
nom: Harley Davis			ILOG S.A.
net: davis@ilog.fr			2 Avenue Gallie'ni, BP 85
tel: (33 1) 46 63 66 66			94253 Gentilly Cedex, France
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: borders@ms.uky.edu (Johnny Borders)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
    <1992Aug18.200618.29685@news.iastate.edu> <36976@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> 
    <1992Aug18.175812.11714@ms.uky.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:49:35 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:

>>It is ok to hate the history books, but if you hate the people, you

>Good idea! It is ok to hate the gun, 'couse that is the thing which kills.

But give a man a club and he'll still beat you to death, gun or not.

This is off-topic, but I just can't resist:
Anyone but me ever find it mildly amusing that every single Japanese
sci-fi flick (from Godzilla to Akira) features the destruction of 
Tokyo? Godzilla always invaded the same part of the city every time,
and Akira shows us a leveled Tokyo, then a completely vaporized Tokyo,
then a pile-of-rubble Tokyo, all in one movie! 
So, from this attitude, we can deduce either the Japanese EXPECT Tokyo
to be leveled once or twice, or they just WANT it leveled.
(Had these films precluded the Atomic Age, they just might have gotten
their 'wish')
-- 
*******************************************************************************
* The University of Kentucky is not responsible * AIX: Marketing or lunacy?   *
* for me, by reason of "Bureaucrats Syndrome,"  * "I never used anything by   *
* a crippling form of insanity.                 *  IBM that I liked."         *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: hudson@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (David Hudson)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:36:42 PDT

In article <1992Aug18.125932.1561@merlin.hgc.edu> sala8864@hgc.edu (gustavo salas) writes:
>
>In article <Bt4KGJ.5n9@doppler.ncsc.org> shjnaga@ncsc.org (Rodney Shojinaga) writes:
>
>>Okay slim bucket, you got the response you wanted.  Why don't you go 
>>perform lewd acts with yourself.
>>
>>You use the term "jap" and don't have the balls to leave a signature.  It's
>>jerk offs like yourself that keep things from ever correcting themselves.
>>You show no respect and therefore will get no respect.  Could it be that
>>you are ashamed of who you are.  
>>
>
>When the Pearl Harbor was bombaded, every newpaper in US called the
>invaders, JAPs, except one, the New York Times. It was because they were
>just angry. What are yo going to do with those news papers that used term
>JAPs? Burn their buildings? Angry people can use any words they like to
>describe or offend intentionally the ones they love to hate, although I am
>not justifying it. Looks like you were born and raised here and has no  
>concerns for what Japan did and were just pissed by a nasty word. 

	In an arguement where you want to bring some sort of
understanding of your position, using epithets is not an efficient
way of doing so.  Calling the Japanese "JAPs" will simply     
antogonize the listener and promote more bad feelings rather
than provide sympathy for your point.  I am a Japanese-American
born here and have been called a "Jap" quite a number of times.  I am 
very concerned with what Japan did during WWII and am willing to
listen to arguments by people of all nationalities about Japan's past
atrocities.  However, calling me a "Jap" makes me think that the 
speaker cannot channel his or her opinions and stance through
effective debate, but must rely on easy epithets in order express
anger.  If I debated with a person using words such as "chink",
"gook" or "flip", I would not expect the listener to sit there
and not take issue with my attitude.  So don't get indignant
when Japanese people get upset when they hear the word "Jap".
A good argument will change people's minds, not insults.

					Dave

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
    <1992Aug19.175602.9311@ms.uky.edu> 
    <Aug20.071835.40621@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:15:45 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura) writes:

>	I honestly wonder, Mr. Li, what the source of information that made 
					    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
					Only possible suppose, and partially
					related to the text book event.
>	you think this way is.  It seems to me that you have never read about
							     ^^^^^
						No, I read some.
>	what the life of the Japanese before, during, and after WW II, and 
>	probably about how the majority of the Japanese think and feel about 
>	the previous war and the crimes done by the Imperial Army.  If my 
>	understanding is wrong, please forgive me.

	Japan is said to be a democratic country, and her offical must be
	elected by the people. If the people they elected are the people who
	do not respect justice, we have difficulty to prove whether or not
	they really do not represent the feeling of the majority Japanese
	people.

>	And I agree with you completely with the second last statement.


>					Tetsuya Nishimura
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: kenji@macrofield.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Fare from Osaka Airport into town
Date: 14 Aug 92 06:56:49 GMT
Reply-To: kenji@macrofield.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)
Distribution: soc
Organization: Macrofield Corporation, Toyonaka-city, Osaka, Japan
Posting-Front-End: Terakoya-u kaku 2.0612 DEBUG 14-AUG-1992

In article <gYneM.kojima@etl.go.jp>
	kojima@etl.go.jp (Isao Kojima) writes:
>You should WALK to the Hotarugaike Station (about 2km)[...]

Do you really have to WALK??

// Kenji
From: yusuke@hara.cs.keio.ac.jp (Yusuke Hiwasaki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday in Japanese
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:08:07 GMT
Organization: Keio University, Yokohama, Japan.


Hi Pauline,

The answer to your question is,

	TANJOUBI OMEDETOU.
            ^(accent)
However, it is not out of place to say "Happy birthday" because we say
that for celebrating birthdays in Japan as well. The meaning of
"TANJOUBI" is "birthday" and "OMEDETOU" is "celebrate"(noun). You have
to watch the pronunciation of voul "E" as it is not pronunced like [ee],
but like [ae]. Also, "OU" should be pronunced like [oo], just extending
the time duration of voul [o]. The accent is on the first "OU" is not
really necessary, as we don't really have strong accents in our language.

If you have any questions regarding this, please feel free to e-mail me.
--
============
Yusuke Hiwasaki (yusuke@hara.cs.keio.ac.jp)
Harada Lab, Dept of Instrumental Engineering, Keio University
045(536)1141 ex.3567
Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:7048 soc.culture.china:23489 soc.culture.hongkong:9988 soc.culture.taiwan:12158
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:02:14 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:

>In article <907@hobby.ukc.ac.uk> mhs@ukc.ac.uk (M.H.Smith) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug18.204502.1796@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>   Once I came across a Japanese girl who absentmindly said that Manchuria
>>   STILL should be Japanese.
>>
>>And if you come to Britain you will meet plenty of people who think
>>that India should still be a British colony; I hope you would not
>>judge me by what some moronic Brit says.

>NO, of course not. But it is dangerous for some people to bear the idea, 
>isn't it?

Only if they are too naive to separate fact from fiction :-)

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
From: lamb@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Ben Lam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: What about China done to Korea?
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:23:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Aug19.232310.20659
Organization: Oregon State University, Corvallis Oregon

junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee) writes:
>
>My question:
>	Does it make sense to get an apology from someone while you
>owe someone else an apology? China had done so many war crimes, more
>than Japan did, and Korea has never gotten any apology from China, either
>Main China or Taiwan.  If China feels that the apology for what Japan
>had done to China during WW II is a must, China should feel obligated
>to what she had done to Korea in the long history between China and Korea.
>I am not saying that Japan should not apologize to the Chinese who
>suffered from all those shameful crimes. But China cannot ignore the
>need of an apology to Korea either.

Those Chinese involved in whatever you think they had done to Korea (in
ancient time) are dead, gone, history, deceased, kick the bucket, ......
(Unless you are thinking about Korea War.  But that's totally different thing.)

Those Japanese involved in WWII are still alive and are holding political 
powers or they are heads of important companies.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
	<36976@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> <1992Aug18.230847.8098@news.iastate.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:43:11 GMT

>It is interesting and unprecedent to hate books, instead of those authors
>and their alike who deceat and provok misunderstandings and hatred among
>diffrerent people. It is them that you should question in the first place.

I think the point here is that no matter what you think of the history book
hating the person who wrote it should not be your reaction. Frustration and
anger, most definitely. But this world needs to eliminate hatred at all cost.
As I have said before nothing good ever comes of hatred and hatred never
achieves noble goals. I think that until we stop the hate there will be no
solutions or resolutions to this problem. Many of those crying for apologies
think they are somehow justified in their hatred. That their hatred is somehow
good and righteous. Maybe the hatred can be rationalized, but it will never be
good or righteous.

smittie
-- 
___________________________________________________________________________
GEnie, MCI, AOL:Smittie | If all of us were as smart as we think we are the
smittie@beach.csulb.edu |  current world problems would be yesterday's news.
________________________|___________________________________________________
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 16:32:03 GMT

Let me clarify meself a bit...  I just re-read my post, and feel that perhaps
I need to clarify it.

In article <1992Aug21.162743.16998@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <912@hobby.ukc.ac.uk> mhs@ukc.ac.uk (M.H.Smith) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug21.000929.958@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>>   Most Jews (who still live, anyway) didn't experience Hitler's genocidal
>>   concentration camps.  If they denounce neo-Nazis, do you accuse them of
>>   racism?
>>
>>No. But if they denounce all Germans I do. All I wish is that people
>>posting here would differentiate between the Japanese who committed
>>atrocities during the war and those Japanese (the vast majority of
>>Japanese) who didn't.
>
>But the problem is that if they *refuse* to acknowledge Japan's past, then
>they, just like the neo-Nazis, are condoning return to such kind of behavior.
>In other words, if they never considered what the Imperial Army did in China
>as crimes, how can they consider them crimes if they happen again?

I am *not* implying that all Japanese, or even close to all Japanese, are
refusing to acknowledge Japan's past crimes.  I am talking about the
politicians who continue to refuse to apologize.
From: kenji@macrofield.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: English Language Services in Japan (Osaka)i
Date: 14 Aug 92 06:48:24 GMT
Reply-To: kenji@macrofield.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)
Distribution: soc
Organization: Macrofield Corporation, Toyonaka-city, Osaka, Japan
Posting-Front-End: Terakoya-u kaku 2.0611 DEBUG 14-AUG-1992

In article <1992Aug14.031241.9888@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>
	brad@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brad Saxton) writes:
>I will be travelling to Osaka, Japan in a couple of weeks and will be staying
>for up to 6 months. Since I'm a bit of a news junkie, and don't speak any
>Japanese yet, I would like to find some English language media services in
>Osaka. Anything will do: newspapers, private radio, BBC worldwide, CBC Overseas,
>etc. 

Japan Times is available on newsstands.

Kinokuniya in Umeda Hankyu Terminal Bldg has a lot of English books.

You can see BBC and CNN news programs on NHK BS-1 and BS-2 
satellite channels. You can subscribe CNN relayed from CS 
satellite by paying about 900yen/month subscription fee (of course 
you have to pay for converters).

BBC World Service can be heard on shortwave at: 7180, 9740, 
11955kHz at night, 21715kHz in the afternoon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:47:45 GMT

In article <Aug18.013007.35996@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.171821.560@merlin.hgc.edu> sala8864@hgc.edu (gustavo salas) writes:

>	If somebody wants to call the Japanese "JAPS," send direct mails 
>	directly ONLY to the Japanese.  Of course you can send one to me and 
>	blame me for anything...   But I'm sorry, I don't know about what 
> 	Japanese Army then did to many Asian countries as much as you many know,
>	and I sincerely don't know what I can do for those blames.

Mr Nishimura has 2 valid points; 

1) Name-calling doesn't accomplish much. (Well, what it accomplishes is most
   likely counter-productive).

2) There is not much ANY individual Japanese CAN do. It is incombent upon the
   government to make the apologies, not on the individual. It is governments
   that wage wars (for the most parts) and only they can really give the
   proper assurances that things like this will not happen again. 

So, calling upon individual Japanese to apologize is rather silly. It is the
government's role to (we hope) positively represent its people, and as such,
on behalf of its people, it should apologize.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - These opiini^H^H damn! ^H^H ^Q ^[ .... :w  :q  :wq  :wq! ^d  X ^?
exit X Q  ^C ^? :quitbye  CtrlAltDel   ~~q  :~q  logout  save/quit :!QUIT
^[zz ^[ZZZZZZ ^H  man vi ^@  ^L  ^[c  ^# ^E ^X ^I ^T ? help  helpquit ^D  ^d 
man help ^C ^c help exit ?Quit ?q CtrlShftDel "Hey, what does this button d..."
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: English Language Services in Japan (Osaka)i
Date: 15 Aug 92 01:39:30 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

kenji@macrofield.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake) writes:

>In article <1992Aug14.031241.9888@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>
>	brad@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brad Saxton) writes:
>>I will be travelling to Osaka, Japan in a couple of weeks and will be staying
>>for up to 6 months. Since I'm a bit of a news junkie, and don't speak any
>>Japanese yet, I would like to find some English language media services in
>>Osaka. Anything will do: newspapers, private radio, BBC worldwide, CBC Overseas,
>>etc. 

>Japan Times is available on newsstands.

>Kinokuniya in Umeda Hankyu Terminal Bldg has a lot of English books.

>You can see BBC and CNN news programs on NHK BS-1 and BS-2 
>satellite channels. You can subscribe CNN relayed from CS 
>satellite by paying about 900yen/month subscription fee (of course 
>you have to pay for converters).

>BBC World Service can be heard on shortwave at: 7180, 9740, 
>11955kHz at night, 21715kHz in the afternoon.

Also, for the more adventurous, there was an article (Daily
Yomiuri?) about some guy in Nara who sells dish antennas that will
pick up stuff from a Chinese satellite. As I remember, it said
that while this isn't legal for companies to do, it's OK for
individuals. And <gasp> the reception is better in the kansai
then in the kanto! 

Sorry I don't have details, maybe somebody else saw the article? 

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Regarding Japanese T.V...
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:02:04 GMT

In article <SMITTIE.92Aug15103224@beach.csulb.edu> smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>I didn't realize the ambiguity of cable used in this sense. Here in America it
>is called "cable TV" because there is literally a physical cable or wire that
>is run from the telephone pole to your house much the same as a telephone line.
>This kind of cable is, at least as I understand, not very common and not very
>popular. The main method of bringing what is better termed subscription TV to
>Japanese homes is via the small disks.

Cable TV in Japan is about where it was in the States about 20 ~ 30 years ago,
when having cable usually meant you got the same channels as people who lived
in the larger cities; ie, you got stations that would have been available
for free if you lived nearer the transmitter. For those of us in "rural"
areas (or at least, towns too small to have their own stations), this was the
only way to get more than one or two poorly received channels. 

When I lived in Tokyo, our building also had cable (note that it had almost the
same physical connection as cable in the States), and we were able to receive
channels that I was not able to receive when I lived in an apartment that
did not have cable.

The NHK subscription service (if you are referring to the 2-channel satellite
system) is not the only satellite service in Japan; you can also receive a 
much wider range of programs with Japanese voice-overs from all over the
world via a deluxe satellite package NOT associated with NHK.

Mike

-- 
Disclaimer - These opiini^H^H damn! ^H^H ^Q ^[ .... :w  :q  :wq  :wq! ^d  X ^?
exit X Q  ^C ^? :quitbye  CtrlAltDel   ~~q  :~q  logout  save/quit :!QUIT
^[zz ^[ZZZZZZ ^H  man vi ^@  ^L  ^[c  ^# ^E ^X ^I ^T ? help  helpquit ^D  ^d 
man help ^C ^c help exit ?Quit ?q CtrlShftDel "Hey, what does this button d..."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan