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From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Church of All Worlds?
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:24:45 GMT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:

> In article <8Xk8PB2w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichm
> >mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:
> >
> >>  They are one of the oldest Neo-Pagan groups in existance in North
> >> America. Their leader, Otter, is the one credited with coming up and
> >> defining the term "Neo-Pagan" for what he and others were doing. They've
> >                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >It would be fun to watch Bonewitz reading this......
> 
>  It might be but Otter is credited with the term in the mid to late 60s.
> Isaac isn't.
> 
It's an inside joke, meaningless here--- it's what comes of sleepy late 
night computing, eh? Nary a smidgen of commentary on your scholarship; 
just a funny thought arisin' from past conversations....

later, Bill
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Bailing Out (rant) (was: Re: Freedom of Religion as well as ever
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Keywords: Civil Rights, Pagan
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:51:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.232820.1107@csus.edu> altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim) writes:
>
><REQUEST TO THE GODS AND GODDESSES: >
>I wish someone could cheer me up sometimes about this. The only way I can
>be happy about the future is when I ignore the knowledge I have about the 
>past and present, and that isn't acceptable to me. Yes, ignorance is bliss,
>and I'm not too blissful these days.
>
>Now that I've totally brought myself down...  :G
>
>Blessings and hopes for a brighter future,
>
>The Somewhat More Melancholy Murray

Sixty-five million years ago, the planet had been owned and operated by
much bigger and more successful creatures; it took a major cataclysm to
wrest them from the planet's surface.  I'm sure that, had they been able
to (and they might have been), they could never have envisioned the
place today -- totally different creatures in residence, and not one of
their kind left.

When the old Roman Empire went down the tubes, I'm sure that the poor
farmer concerned for the welfare of his family, and the poorer farmer
whose land had been burnt by attacking hordes could not have envisioned
that, two thousand years ago, someone who might very well have been a
distant relative -- namely, me -- would have been reading of their
trials in a book and taking a test on it.  As I said previously, we read
about them for tests, closed the book, and had some dinner.

This will pass, hon.  None of it is permanent.  What we are will pass,
and other thgings will take our place.  If you could ask a dinosaur what
it thought about the world today, the melancholy and homesickness it
felt at seeing its kind completely absent would likely break your heart.
It's the same way with us.  The planet isn't here for us, it's here for
whoever pops up at a particular moment.  There isn't any law that says
that we or what we do is all that important.  In another 50 million
years -- AND THAT TIME WILL COME, I ASSURE YOU -- other creatures will
have other concerns.

We do.  Like I sais before, grab a chunk of amber next time you feel
down, or any mineral.  Sixty million years ago, that stuff was dribbling
down the side of a pine tree.  What is it now?  If it were able, could
the tree ever have imagined that its efflux would have lasted as long as
it did?  I'm sure that, could it do so, the tree would have never even
realized that sixty million years can and will indeed pass and other
things will rise into preeminence, then fall. 

Chill.  It's hard when you see people hating one another so much, and it
depresses me, too.  But it will pass.  

Blessings,
Janis  


Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Scott Mayo no longer on Net
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:10:37 GMT

erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
: Mary K. Kuhner (mkkuhner@phylo.genetics.washington.edu) wrote:
: 
: : Scott Mayo asks me to let the Net know that he has lost Internet access,
: : and to apologize to those who were in the middle of discussions with him.
: : He will be out of contact for the indefinite future.
: : 
: : Other people whose links are through wang.com may also be affected.
: : 
: : Mary Kuhner mkkuhner@genetics.washington.edu
: 
: Hmmm...did he get fired, or what?  I was almost starting to enjoy his particular
: brand of narrow-mindedness - *much* less so than some other pagan-bashers I've
: seen in the past...

Hm. Was he that much of a basher or did he just sincerely believe that people
who hold pagan beliefs are wrong.

I found his postings no worse than those who bash particular groups of pagans
or, for that matter, some who bash the mainstream religions.

Why do so many pagans feel that they have the "one true way"? You would think
that they would have learned by now. I guess it is just too much to ask of
people - no matter what their beliefs.

Bill
From: bbooth@bnr.ca (Bradley Booth)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: republican delema
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:28:06 GMT
Reply-To: bbooth@bnr.ca (Bradley Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6


In article <1992Aug28.192330.24250@news.iastate.edu>, txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling) writes:
> I think that the best solution to the problems with the dominit partys and
> groups like that belonging to Pat Robensen is to form a Pagen party. fight
> fire with fire. There are bound to be enufe pagens out there to make this
> work. With a unified party even the smalist wimper can be hurd from a large
> enife group. There are probly enufe pagens out there that the funding could
> easaly be suplyed to such a canadite to put there face and vews out in public
> and make them well known. We could gain the first pagen presadent.

Is it just me, or have others noticed that a lot of Americans vote based on
which party represents their personal religious values?  Or is it just that
this election seems to be a battle over religion and religious values?  I
guess it's easy to blame bad economic times on people's moral values than
on the government.  If so, then a pagan candidate would be a good idea. :)


    __o     Brad Booth              | "If somebody feels really good
  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  about who they are, they don't
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  feel threatened by what other
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |  people are." - Dr. M. Rubenstein
From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: invertied cross
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:20:06 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <1992Sep3.213802.29486@news.iastate.edu> txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>an in vertied cross (upside down)is The Coss of Peter. the satonic version
>of the cross is at an angle mesering ether -45 degrees or 225 degrees- a very
>comen misconception (figuers are aproxamit).
>	
	
	Where do you get this info?

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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun)
Subject: Re: Who/what is Baphomet?
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 16:27:12 GMT
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>>ROYBAL@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
: 
:    Subject line says all. An honest, straight forward question.
: I know nothing of the origins or identity of this entity. What can YOU
: tell me? If this is a "forbidden name" or subject, please let me know,
: and apologize for any offense..<<<


"The name of the Templar Baphomet, which should be spelt Kabbalistically
backwards, is composed of three abbrevations: TEM, OPH. AB., *Templi omneum
hominum pacis abbas, "father of the temple of universal peace among men"
According to some, the Baphomet was a monstrous head; accordeing to others,
a demon in the form of a goat. 
A sculptured coffer was disintered recently in the ruins of an old
commandery of the temple, and antiquaries observed upon it a baphomeetic
figure, corresponding by its attributes to the goat of Mendes and the
androgune of Kunrath. It was a bearded figure with a female body, holding
the sun in one hand and the moon iun the other, attached to chains. "
             [transcendental Magic by Eliphas Levi]

It is believed that the Knights of the Templar learned of this "god" in
Egypt. If so, and if in fact it is identified to the asomw "goat of Mendes"
it is then misleading to fashion the Sabbatic Goat that Eliphas Levi
designed, and has been consequently adopted by Crowlians and witches alike
as the god that the Templars had an image of.
The god that this research leads to, considering the period and the
practices of the Templars is not anything as E.Levi would have us believe.
It is in fact one of the oldest gods of Egypt and in hieroglyphics states
this fact as well. It is the god MIN (AMSU) whom stood upright with one hand
up holding a flagalium and the other down on his erect penis. MIN was
identified with PTEH (Ptah) and with AMN R' (Amon-Ra). 

On the walls of the temples of AMN R' in Medinet Habu and at Karnak MIN is
synchrotised as one and the same as AMN but then as an individual entity
itself. MIN is an ancient prehistoric gof of the Egypt from Fayum and
remained its popularity till the very end. MIN is synonimus with ATUM the
self created diety in the Egyptian creation.
Consequently in different religious centers, this MIN was inevitably
identified with Ra, Thoth, Amun-Ra, Monthu, Osiris, Ptah, etc.

It is conceivable that the Templars, an exclusively male oriented society,
could have chosen such a mystery to edify their masculine potentcy for which
they were eventually both criticised and destroyed for, in the eyes of the
Christian church.

Eshin-Fun

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: guay@fraser.sfu.ca (Tim Guay)
Subject: Re: Canada (was: Re: Freedom of Religion as well as everything else)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:51:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.072953.16293@u.washington.edu> mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:
> But you can die waiting for medical care due to the Socialized nature of
>it. There was an article in the Seattle Times about it this week. A
>patient that NEEDED to have heart surgery immediatly was seeing a doctor
>through a friend here in the States. The doctor called the patient's
>doctor in Canada and was informed that they might be able to get to him in
>a few weeks (or it might have been months, I can't remember). The American
>doctor askes the Canadian doctor if people ever died because of the waits,
>and the Canadian doctor told him "All the time."
>
It's not quite that bad, it has gotten worse because the previous provincial
govenment, the right-wing Socreds made major budget cuts to the system. 

Besides the reason you have no wait lists in the States is because if you're
broke you don't get surgury... you die period! Betya more people die because
they can't afford medical care in the States than die waiting for medical care
in Canada. And how about those who are turned away from emergency rooms because
they have no medical insurance and die on the ambulence...a distinctly american
phenomina! 

Peace be with you
	Tim the Canadian

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun)
Subject: Re: Scott Mayo no longer on Net
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 16:39:10 GMT
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>>ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge) writes:
: In <1992Aug26.111903.8079@ddsw1.mcs.com> eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun) writes:
: 
: >The Gods work in strange ways. But then again, the Gods work!
: 
: But not fast enough in your case....
: 
: (with half smiles)
: 
: Ollie/Lucifuge...<<<

The gods have their own time frame. It is in knowing that which gives us all
the the "time" in the world.
The object is to understand that and *know* how to activate it or accept the
contradictions they may bring to that justification of things.

Though everyone is entitled to an *opinion* no one has the right to judge.
We are all here incarnate to "learn" and in the process we "can exchange
ideas".

I am not in a hurry. I "know" that the gods work, and are just, the same as
for him, you or me.

Let's hope we can keep on smiling.......

Eshin-Fun

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim)
Subject: Re: Eyes (was Re: Chocolate (was Re: "gangway, folx"))
Organization: California State University: Sacramento
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:57:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.013118.9950@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz) writes:
>ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>> they sound lovely!  my dad had eyes like that, as did my exhusband...  B)
>> could there be a pattern here?
>
>amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker) writes:
>>I dunno--sounds like the color of my eyes, actually :)...
>>
>>--Amanda
>
>altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim) writes:
>> Minus the grey rims, pretty much like mine, too :)...
>> 
>> --Murray
>
>Well, as long as everyone else is posting on it, my eyes are kind of
>like that, too.
>
>(-:  Thanks, Ailsa.  I'm flattered that you like my eyes.  :-)
>
>Blessings!
>
>		-- radzy


Well, dammit, I guess we can finally wrap up that nagging P/pagan
definition question, as we've conclusively found the rule:

   ALL PAGANS HAVE EYES LIKE JANIS' EYES.

This means of course, there will be those who continue to argue, 
and we can all agree that THOSE people are pretty frivolous.

And likewise, we can expect those false P/pagans with the Janis-
colored contact lenses, those terrible pseudo-pagans.

Thank the God/Goddess for the TRUE, CORRECT eye color!!

Blessings to all like-eye-colored P/pagans only, (those with mundane
eyes can burn in the seventh Tibetan Hell (where they peel out your 
un-god-like eyes and replace them with cold aggies.))
 
Murray

-- 
Murray M. Altheim      "Ils ont l'orteil de Bouc, & d'un Chevreil l'oreille,
Instructional Consultant    La corne d'un Chamois, & la face vermeille
CSU, Sacramento          Comme un rouge Croissant: & dancent toute nuict
altheimm@csus.edu       Dedans un carrefour, ou pres d'une eau qui bruict."
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From: Jesse.Taylor@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jesse Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,soc.motss,rec.games.frp,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage,sci.physics
Subject: Re: Survey
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:08:35 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Aug27.233922.18375@peponi.wcc.govt.nz> hobbs_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>>>If you were to die today, would you go to heaven?
>>Well, according to mainstream Christianity, that's your decision, right?
>>Hmm... in Hell you can get a nice tan year round...
>>I don't know. I don't care. I'd kind of like to go to New Zealand
>>instead...
>What? You mean I'm already in the afterlife? Why did no-one tell me??? :-)
	I thought that when people died they went to the Big Shopping Mall
in the Sky...
>So what happens to New Zealanders who die? Do we go to Fiji? :-)
	If you've been bad, you go to Australia. And get a most
non-heinous sunburn. Then you get sent to a pub where people say "Hi
<yournamehere>!", and slap you on the back. Hard. :) 
>anthony
>p.s. Chris Colvin sent me a lovely bit of mail saying he was glad to know I
>thought of him as a fool, "just like Einstein". Sorry to break this to ya,
>Chris, but Einstein was a Jewish agnostic as far as I remember. So he's in
>hell. Or do I mean Australia? :-)
	You got mail from the double-C too?! He mailed me and threatened
to charge me for any mail he got re: this thread. I even sent him a nice
message about it. I didn't even call him a twit. Too much. Haven't got a
reply though... Too bad Compu$erve doesn't charge to *send* mail... Hey,
now *there's* an idea! :)
>Blessings and lamburgers,
>anthony the insane
	You too? I thought I was the only one...
		"The way our system is today, we could lock up all the
sane people, but if we tried to lock up the insane, we would simply run
out of building materials..." - Mark Twain
>--	
>Anthony Hobbs             the Bard                hobbs_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz    
>OverPope, First Holy and Unreformed Church of Frozen Yoghurt - romantic poet - 
>synth player extraordinaire - kate bush is goddess - hail Eris - praise "Bob"!
>DISCLAIMER: I am not Romanian and was not head of the Securitate for 15 years.

JT.

M.O.O.
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From: idfraser@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Ian Fraser)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Freedom of Religion as well as everything else
Keywords: Civil Rights, Pagan
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 02:21:24 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

I've been following this thread with interest, since I'm not an American, and I
agree that things could get sticky down there if George & Danny get bacck in.
As you are no doubt aware, the Canadian government has made access to this
country a difficult thing,

After Much soul searching, I make the following offer:

Any American femmale seeking Canadian citizenship:

 I will marry you. No strings attached. (If you can figure out a way for me to
pull it off under CCanadian law, I'll marry as many of you as possable,
whatever the gender.

I believe if we are to surive during the coming times, we must, as Pagans, band
together. The Burning Times are not that long ago. Ask anyone affeted by the
McCarthey blacklist.

We must join together or die.




' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' '
 
Bright Blessings to you and yours!  
 
Hawk
 
Circle of Ashtoreth, 
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
From: kathy@xn.ll.mit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: yet another weensy question from you-know-who
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:40:35 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington, MA

In article <Bu1z7I.J8r@encore.com> aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich) writes:
>
>Curious indeed.. I really have no idea, but one possibility I can think
>of is that there are no sand dollars in mediterannean(sp) or north
>atlantic waters.. Actually, I have not seen ANY sand dollars on the
>East coast of the U.S. that I can remember..last time I remember seeing
>any ( in their natural environment ) is in California where I grew up.
>Does anyone know the demographic geography of sand dollars ?
>
I don't know the what the range of the sand dollar is, but they can 
certainly be found on the east coast.  I remember picking them up on the
beaches of Maine as a child.  At that point (roughly 20 years ago), they
were moderately difficult to find, and much more likely to be in pieces
than whole, due to the rocky Maine coast, I suppose.  My mother used to 
say that they were far more common when she was a child, some 30 years
before that.  She attributed the difference to the fact that the beaches
were far more crowded, and thus the odds of any particular person finding
large numbers of interesting shells were smaller.  I suspect also that 
in her case they were improved by the fact that her days at the beach 
were part of week-long stretches at a rented cottage, with virtually 
private beach in front, while mine were day trips to public beaches.

							Kathy



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From: alizard@drc.UUCP (alizard)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: here's something you won't like
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 19:13:55 PDT
Organization: BLa Bla Bla Bla Bla BLa BLa Concord,Ca

24/27        [1] Networked  Circle of the Goddess
Title:       Meetings
Date:        Thu Aug 27, 1992 18:15
Origin:      The Pool of Radiance (Pennsylvania) [412-378-2165]
From:        Rogue X #33 @4125 VirtualNET
 
I am in DESPERATE need of any info on any meetings or something on 
October 31
in Sewickley, Pa... I need to get in touch with the "leader" or person 
that's getting everything together because of a planned extremely violent 
attack on them that day... ANY info would be greatly appreciated
 
                 The Pool of Radiance v3.2  (412) 378-2165
                  Virtual Net #4125    Near Aliquippa, PA
 
Write Rogue X on this issue, not me, unless you have connections in
Sewickley, PA, in which case contact them... wouldn't it be nice if
the Xtians planning this attack ran into an ambush?
 
"If we do not hang together, we will most assuredly hang separately"
                                        Benjamin Franklin
 
Bright Blessings
A.Lizard
(since this is NOT V-net, any info for Rogue can be sent to me for

relay, or call that BBS direct...)
usr77@pil.UUCP                      alizard@seer.mystic.com (current)
usr86@Wizclan.Kludge.COM            usr86%Wizclan@????.????
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich)
Subject: Re: republican delema
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:38:41 GMT

krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick) writes:

>In article <16467@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard
>Darsie) writes:

>>Actually, it's not true.  I believe Teddy Roosevelt was first elected
>>from a third-party candidacy - something like the "Bull & Moose" Party (!)
>>Can anyone verify this??

>In trying to remember my US Government classes, I seem to remember that the
>only times a third party has won, was when the third part was replacing one of
>the major two for all practical purposes.

I seem to remember during the democratic convention, someone saying that
the only succesful 3rd party candidate was Abe Lincoln who ran as a
republican which then became the new 2nd party.

Can anyone confirm this?
I am certainly no history major.. it's been 25 years since I looked.

/al