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From: talbert@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Robert Talbert)
Subject: Re: Question about Jobson
Organization: Vanderbilt University Mathematics Department
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:33:54 GMT

In article <CHRISLEY.93Jan26172723@black.oxford.ac.uk> chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley) writes:

>Actually, he did a bunch of studio work with them during the Cinema (pre-90125,
>   barely-pre-Jon Anderson period),
>
>I don't mean to be rude, but do you have any evidence to back this up?
>I know that some people were circulating a Cinema demos tape that
>"credits" him on keys, but that's not him!

I am going by the aforementioned "family tree" in the Jethro Tull box set. 
As far as his being "credited", I wouldn't know since my copy of the Cinema
demo sessions (great boot, BTW) is somewhere near the Nth generation...

>      Also, I think he may have done the violin-sounding riffs on "Leave It", 
>   but I don't know for sure. 
>
>Is this just speculation?

Yup. Like I said, I don't know for sure. The violin sound is very accurate,
however, and I'd kind of be surprised if that's actually a keyboard and not
the real thing. (It's not the sound that's accurate so much as the attacks
and phrasing.)

-- Robert


--
Robert N. Talbert    		  | "I saw what cannot be seen
Mathematics Department  	  |  She spoke to me
Vanderbilt University		  |  'Take what you've learned, set it free
talbert@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu |   See what you'll see.' " --- King's X
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: feathers@serss0 (Michael Feathers)
Subject: Re: Has anyone heard of Shawn Lane?
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:35:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.035534.18202@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> barrett@server.cs.jhu.edu (Dan Barrett) writes:
>
>	I have his debut album ("Powers of Ten"), and I think it's terrific
>for a first release.  His chops on all the instruments are quite good,
>and the songwriting is not bad.  I look forward to hearing more from
>this talented multi-instrumentalist.
>
>	Yup, he's definitely playing progressive rock/fusion.
>
[...]
>	I don't think he's anywhere *nearly* as good as Morse or Wakeman.
>His writing lacks their maturity, and his playing isn't as tight and
>inventive as theirs.  But I like him.  I would put him more in a league with
>Eric Johnson on guitar.
>
>                                                        Dan


I see what you are saying about Shawn Lane's maturity as a writer although
I hadn't noticed it before.  However, to me the architecture or structure of
a piece is merely icing on the cake.  I can not think of a single forgettable
piece in Shawn Lane's first album.  To my ears they are all musically 
interesting and catchy.  Especially the title track.


While I consider myself a great Steve Morse fan, I have to admit that there
are entire albums of his that I can not listen to.  He is a wonderful 
arranger but often his pieces have sounded like exercises in arrangement 
without the musical substance to make me want to hear them again.  For 
instance, I think I've memorized all the wonderful phrases on
_The Introduction_, but, to me, _Southern Steel_ is a collection of "hookless
wonders."

I'm really looking forward to the next Dixie Dregs release though.  As well
as the next Shawn Lane release.
From: borella@cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Ozric - Afterswish vs. tapes
Date: 25 Jan 1993 12:27:06 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton) writes:

> How much of the material from the 6 tapes shows up on Afterswish ?
>
> Bob

Well, Afterswish has about 30 tracks, and they're all from the tapes,
which makes it about 1/3 of the material at a guess

---------

Actually there are 3 or 4 tracks on Afterswish that don't appear on any 
of the six tapes.

-Mike
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From: jbbg0390@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Flash..ahhh! Savior of the Universe!  )
Subject: Trevor Rabin
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:42:54 GMT
Keywords: Yes, Trevor Rabin




I have recently received copies of old Trevor Rabin music including his works
while in Rabbitt.  Can anyone tell me how I can obtain (or if I can obtain)
the following on CD's?  Please send mail to my email address:
			 jbbg0390@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Trevor Rabin:  Trevor Rabin
	       Wolf
	       Face to Face

Rabbitt:  Forgot the names, but I have them on tape - both disks.


Thanx,

Justin
From: narpet@cs.mcgill.ca (Greg WARD)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Sound quality of early Genesis CD's
Date: 23 Jan 93 02:25:49 GMT
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada

Greetings.

As I'm sure many of you are aware, the North American CD re-releases of
pre-*A Trick of the Tail* Genesis sound like ... well, ummm ...
excrement.  Considering that most of the other back-catalogue reissues
from Atlantic Records (especially of British bands) sound like
somebody stuffed my speakers with cotton, I tend to assume that
Atlantic is to blame for this execrable state of affairs, especially
considering that good-sounding Yes and Led Zeppelin material is
available via Japanese imports or the box sets.

So -- can anyone tell me which are the best-sounding Genesis CD's?
Obviously not the North American releases, but are the British ones
noticeably better?  Do Japanese versions exist, and are they worth
shelling out the major bucks for (generally, Japanese imports go for
around CDN$40 here, whereas British imports are $20-$25 which is not a
heck of a lot more than the list price on domestic CD's in Canada).

Also, does anyone know anything about the release of *Trespass* in
North America?  I read recently (either here or rec.music.cd) that
it's due to come out in the U.S. on Feb 2, on MCA.  Anybody know if
this will also be from a high-generation master tape?  Should I hunt
down the British version and get it now, or wait for *Trespass* to come
out domestically (assuming there is a Canadian release slated as
well).

Much thanks for any advice...

	Greg Ward (narpet@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca)
From: borella@cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: New NA bands
Date: 24 Jan 1993 22:55:14 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1993Jan22.205147.13405@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dmarkfie@nyx.cs.du.edu (
David Markfield) writes:
>
>anyway thought i'd ask folks for their opinions as to their favorite North
>American progressive bands....in particular those that are still
>kicking...and to whom purchase of a CD means something.....like Animator,
>or Djam Karet or Magellan or Kurt Rongey, etc....etc.....

Here's a list of NA bands.  IMHO, most are pretty good, some are
great.  There's probably a bunch I'm forgetting...

Is anybody into keeping a "new and currently recording" list of bands
out there, not just from NA?

United States
=============
Animator
Cathedral
Citadel
Codice
Dream Theatre
Djam Karet
Echolyn
Episode
Kalaban
North Star
Now
Bill Pohl
Quill
Steve Roach
Kurt Rongey
Thinking Plague
Vyzator

Canada
======
Mirodor
Visible Wind

Mexico
======
Iconoclasta



-Mike
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From: prins@rulway.LeidenUniv.nl (Ryko Prins)
Subject: Julian's Treatment - Julian T Savarin
Reply-To: prins@rulway.LeidenUniv.nl (Ryko Prins)
Organization: Leiden University, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 09:09:40 GMT

In the rec.music.info I recently saw a list of 'progressive' mucic groups.
Two of the entry's in this list were Julian's Treatment and Julian T Savarin.

I happen to have a double LP of Julian's Treatment called 'A Night Before
This', from the sixties or early seventies is my estimate. It is on the Vogue label. The music is a kind of symphonic rock. The length of the music on the disk sides varies strongly. There are about two normal LP length sides, one of about 10 minutes and one of about (5!) minutes.
It is a musical piece built on an SF story. It seems Julian T Savaran is also a SF writer, for I remember I once read a book by him (I do'nt know which anymore).

Can anyone supply me with information on Julian's Treatment and Julian T Savarin?

				Thanks in advance,
					Ryko Prins
From: narpet@cs.mcgill.ca (Greg WARD)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Question about Jobson
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:10:03 GMT
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <Jan.23.00.50.43.1993.7887@andromeda.rutgers.edu> detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio) writes:
>kellyj@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kelly Johnson) writes:
>

>His release "The Green Album" under the "Zinc" project was supposed to be
>one of a series of releases which never came out.  It is a very good album,
>would sound great if it is ever released on compact disc.  As it is, on vinyl,
>it is one of the hardest albums to find.  I have not even seen it listed in
>the cut-out catalogs.

(A lot of people are going to just HATE me for this.)

Not long after seeing this album much-praised in this forum, back in
November I think it was, I wandered into a used record store on my way
home from the grocery store.  Flipped through a few bins and found
*Zinc*, as well as Gryphon's *Red Queen to Gryphon Three*.  Total
cost: $7 + tax.

And now the part you're REALLY going to hate me for is that I wasn't
really all that impressed by *Zinc*.  (Or The Green Album, or whatever
you call it.)  In fact, I think I accidentally played side one twice
(because I walked off to do something else between flipping the
record, and must have forgotten to flip it when I came back) and
didn't even NOTICE until I was halfway through it.  The music is
ranges from somewhat boring to rather good, but I think the world
would be a better place if Jobson kept his singing between himself and
the walls of his bathroom.

Now mind, I REALLY liked the first U.K. album.  Haven't heard any of
their other stuff, so I reserve judgement on that.  I guess I just
vastly prefer John Wetton's voice.  (Err, is that a capital sin around
here?  I think the guy's got a great set of pipes, based on *Larks'
Tongues*, *U.K.*, and *Asia*.)

	Greg Ward (narpet@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca)

P.S. Oh yeah, I LOVE the Gryphon album
From: agwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: New NA bands
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:42:41 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Jason Larke (jlarke@css.itd.umich.edu) wrote:

: 	Tally this one up as a big vote for Echolyn. Just
: got their first (only?) CD from Wayside records, and they
: are *quite* good. Hints of Marrillion, Yes, and Rush, plus
: some interesting vocal harmonies and instrumental
: arrangements of their own.

	They have a new CD out, check the latest Wayside catalog.  They
are local to Philadelphia and will be at the 23 East Cabaret on Feb 11th.
	I have their 1st CD only.  The band doesn't break any new ground,
but they cover old ground so well!  My personal fave for 1992.

		Andy Wing

--
v2002a@vm.temple.edu     (preferred)
v2002a%templevm.bitnet@pucc.princeton.edu
agwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu    (last resort)

Any disclaimer issued by me is subject to change without notice
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: If I like King Crimson, who else should I listen to?
Date: 28 Jan 93 21:51:46 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <#3j3f1f@rpi.edu> battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle) writes:
>In article <rbharding.03dq@yuggoth.org>, rbharding@yuggoth.org (Ron Harding) writes:
||> I've just recently started getting into "The Mahavishnu Orchestra."
||> If King Crimson can be considered Rock with some Jazz influence, then 
||> Mahavishnu must be Jazz with some Rock influence.  Both groups land
||> in roughly similar territory.
||> 
||> And both have amazing guitarists.  The Orchestra is centred on guitarist
||> John McLaughlin, who got his start on Miles Davis' groundbreaking fusion
||> album, "Bitches Brew."  Another well-known Mahavishnu alumnus is Jan Hammer.
||> 
||> So far, the only Mahavishnu album I've heard is "The Inner Mounting Flame."
||> I highly recommend it to any Crimsoid.  My next acquisition will be "Birds
||> of Fire" which has been recommended to me by a reliable source.
|
|check out Apocalypse!!  it is the most fully and beautifully orchestrated rock
|or jazz cd Ive ever heard!!!  get it on CD; the opening piano notes are
|beautifully remastered.

Also from about the same time period is "Visions of the Emerald Beyond",
another masterpiece.  Like Apocalypse it features Jean luc Ponty on electric
violin.  Some of Ponty's early material from Atlantic might be appropriate
as well.  "Upon the Wings of Music" through "Enigmatic Ocean" should be
considered.  Ponty has has his share of virtuoso guitar players in his
bands.

-- 
-john
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,alt.rock-n-roll,rec.music.misc
From: alxs_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Alex Slotkin)
Subject: New PROGRESSIVE RADIO SHOW on WRUR 88.5 FM!
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)
Distribution: wny
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 06:17:33 GMT

Just wanted to let all you PROG-heads know that the inaugural episode of
"GREY MATTERS" will be this WEDNESDAY from 5-7 PM on WRUR 88.5 FM.

GREY MATTERS is a show devoted to playing the best in progressive rock, with
occasional forays into fusion, experimental and eclectic music. Although
there is a necessary emphasis on the "classic" prog. rock of the 70's, still
much time is given to performers from the 80's and 90's as well.

What will you hear on the show? Here's a few names to get you started:

Bruford, Camel, Caravan, Dixie Dregs, Djam Karet, ELP, Bela Fleck & the
Flecktones, French Frith Kaiser & Thompson, Robert Fripp, RF & the League of
Crafty Guitarists, Fred Frith, Gamalon, Genesis, Gentle Giant, Gong, Steve
Hackett, Stuart Hamm, Peter Hammill, Steve Howe, Jethro Tull, King Crimson,
Shawn Lane, Adrian Legg, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Marillion, Mastermind, Steve
Morse, National Health, The Nice, Oregon, Pink Floyd, Queen, Return to
Forever, Rush, Joe Satriani, John Scofield, Chris Squire, Starcastle, Sunday
All Over the World, David Sylvian, Steve Tibbetts, Triumvirat, U.K., Univers
Zero, Uriah Heep, Steve Vai, Van der Graaf Generator & Yes.

"Finally, progressive rock is BACK on the airwaves!"
Wednesdays, from 5 to 7 PM on WRUR 88.5 FM, Rochester, NY. <---
Hosted by Alex Slotkin.


-- 
*******************************************************************************
*    Alex Slotkin  University of Rochester  alxs_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu   *
*******************************************************************************
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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: SESPC384@ysub.ysu.edu (LORD GOD KING BOO-HOO)
Subject: Re: If I like King Crimson, who else should I listen to?
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:22:47 GMT

In article <43987@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>
cs163wel@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Paolo Valladolid) writes:
 
>If you liked the '80s version of the band, I recommend any of the
>first three solo albums by that band's lead vocalist and
>co-guitarist Adrian Belew, who after all influenced greatly the
>sound of King Crimson in that time period (he wrote the lyrics to
>all the songs, except "Two Hands" which was written by his now
>ex-wife).
 
 
I'm not really familiar with any of this early music (except, of course
heart beat), btu a friend of mine insisted that I go with him to see
Belew at the empire club in Cleveland.  I really didn't want to go but
went anyways ("at least you're not like my other friends who backed out")
He made me a 90 minute sampler of his stuff, one side of which was mostly
from his newest release, Inner Revolution. the other side was a mish-
mash of what my friend thought he would play.  Anyhow, I went to the
show with some appreciation of his music. I was totally blown away.
Adrian Belew is awesome in concert, don't ever miss him if you like
him at all
 
 
>A sampler of the three albums, _Desire Of the Rhino King_ contains a
>good selection (8 tracks from the first two, 5 from Desire for over
>70 minutes of music).  I think it's no coincidence Belew's most
>adventurous work was recorded around the time he was in Crimson.
>
>Paolo
 
 
I've bought his newest CD since then, this sampler sounds like a good
idea.  Maybe I get it this week.  Can anyone give me the names of the
King Crimson CD's he was a part of?  Also can anyone give me any info
on The Bears (his interum band between KC and now) and the Psycodots
(the current band of the other Bear guitarist and his rhythm guitar
player on tour)
 
                                 Jimbus
 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
  James S Babcock
  Sespc384@ysub.ysu.edu
 
          Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty
 
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From: fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller)
Subject: Re: holdsworth, bruford
Organization: Right Bleedin' Church of Libertine Obfuscatology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:23:39 GMT

In <eF0oXB5w165w@bluemoon.use.com> buzzsaw@bluemoon.use.com (Patrick Buzby) writes:

>Jobson and Wetton saw crowd-pleasing as top priority rather than 
>creativity.

That would explain Wetton's work with ASIA.  Now if only someone would
explain how he got Carl Palmer and Steve Howe involved.


-- 
    / \      Reverend fnord                 | "King Kong died for your sins!"
   /   \     fnord@panix.com                | 
  / <0> \                                   | "Don't just eat a hamburger, 
 /_______\   Church of Obfuscatology, Inc.  |  eat the HELL out of it!"
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: ELP
Date: 28 Jan 93 21:59:49 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <C1Iz8H.FL4@mach1.wlu.ca> oxha6397@mach1.wlu.ca (Jody O'halloran u) writes:
|>how the hell do you get backstage. I
|>have never been able to do this, and would be very thankful to know how one
|>goes about doing this!  Please, please, please give me any helpful advice
|>for meeting these guys!
|>   Thank you in advance!
|>
|>o     * EarlUs                                                             
|> o                                                               *     *  
|>COMFORT                             Jason Finestone                *       
|>          o      *  STATION|\                           Yale University    
|
|They only give backstage passes to promoters/record companies/big
|businesses/
 
and girls with nice hooters.

|So what you do is wait by the exit for one of these people to leave.

Or be the roommate of a guy that played in a band that Keith Emerson
sat in with once.  I did, and sat at the same table for almost two
hours with him a couple of years ago.

-- 
-john
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: a909486@tiuk.ti.com (Julian Jones         (0032  jzj))
Subject: Re: Where is THE LONGS?
Reply-To: a909486@tiuk.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments Ltd.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:12:46 GMT

In article 106056@netnews.upenn.edu, ian@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Ian M Glazer) writes:
>Can someone please help me? I have been awaiting the release of The Way We Walk
>Genesis The Longs.  But where is it. I heard the release date was this Tuesday,
>but I have also heard it hasn't been released it.  Where is it?
>
>*********************************************************
>Ian Glazer	ian@eniac.seas.upenn.edu		*
>"Sometimes there is strength and sometimes weakness;	*
>Sometimes one is up and sometimes one is down." Lao Tzu	*
>*********************************************************


The Longs has been released in Britain for a couple of weeks now. Woolworths have
it at the bargain price of 9.49. I would rate it far higher than The Shorts.

PS - Does anybody know anything about the rumour that Marillion are about to 
release a live album ?

Julian Jones -- Texas Instruments -- Bedford -- England

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Tape Swaps - Early Pink Floyd
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:10:57 GMT

feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin) writes:
>making tapes off of readily available albums for anyone besides 
>yourself is nothing less than piracy.

Right, let's keep the tape trading to bootlegs, out of print lps and 
other material with no copyrights to worry about! :^)

>there is no justification for this.

Obviously not in your personal system of ethics or in the eyes of the law, 
however, subjective ethics are something that one can't assume others will
share with you. And laws, well, when was the last time you photocopied pages
from a book, parked illegally, jaywalked, drove over the speed limit,
smoked a joint, or did something perhaps worse than that? (BTW, local
parking fine in San Francisco now is $250 for parking in a bus zone, plus
$100 more if you get towed. Getting arrested for under 1 ounce of marijuana
gets you a $100 fine. Is bad parking 2.5-3.5 times worse than smoking pot?) 

I think Alexander is just trying to wave a warning flag, like he's shouting
at the original poster that he's gonna get hurt if he keeps running stop 
signs, but, c'mon, "there's no justification for this."???? Go preach in 
a pulpit, and take a look at yourself and your sins before you start throwing
stones. I would assume from the tone of his post that Mr. Feygin has not
got single tape made from an lp he doesn't own? That he's refused gifts of
tapes of copyrighted material from friends because they offend him?  

I would caution the original poster that there might be some risk in 
advertising your interest in breaking copyright laws, but the risk is 
probably slim. Personally I'd be a bit more discreet. But I'd also 
caution folks from preaching your own ethics too strongly, this is a 
free forum and most of us probably don't give a damn about whether someone
else chooses to trade tapes, whether from readily available albums or
otherwise. 

  - Malcolm 
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From: jdliss@unix.amherst.edu (Jeff Liss)
Subject: Asia Second Leg USA
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:39:27 GMT

Does anyone know if Asia's second leg in North America will include
Steve Howe?  I know that he did not return to England with the band
after the first leg ended in Florida in November (?) and that he
wanted to finish his album.  But he's definitely the deciding factor
as to whether or not I would want to see a show...

Jeff
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.music.hillbilly.moonshine.tunes & strawbs too!
From: adrian@pluto.logica.co.uk (Adrian Putley)
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:25:23 GMT
Reply-To: adrian@pluto.logica.co.uk
Organization: Logica Industry Ltd, UK

wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:
>re: alt.music.hillbilly.moonshine.tunes
>	[...]
>
>BTW, anyone have a track listing for Strawbs "Choice Collection"
>that was just released in the uk? Are either of the two singles
>that appeared on the "strawbs by choice" compilation in the 70s
>on this thing? Did A&M put the compilation out or was it chord
>records?

No, it unfortunately doesn't have them (`Forever' and `Here It Comes').

BTW, there's a Strawbs discography in (I think!) /pub/music/discog/s on
cs.uwp.edu.  In fact I've just mailed the guy who maintains it an updated
version, which has the full listing and probably most other info you'd
want!  If you really can't get that, let me know and I'll mail you or post it
here.

Glimpse you in heaven!

Adrian Putley		Logica Industry Ltd	Medina House, Business Park 4,
putleya@logica.co.uk				Randalls Way, Leatherhead,
(+44 71) 637 9111 x5715				Surrey  KT22 7TW, UK
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