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From: fburton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Francis Burton)
Subject: DeBeaumont book
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:02:25 GMT

Saw the following book in Books-In-Print CD-ROM database:

"Horses and Ponies: Breeding and Management" by M.DeBeaumont. 1992.
Publ: Saifer, Albert. $17.50. ISBN 0-685-54334-X

Q: Is it any good?  What topics does it cover, and who is it aimed at?

[It's not published in the UK - that's why I'm asking]

In advance, thanks!
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: marsh@cs.cornell.edu (Dorothy Marsh)
Subject: Message for Marsha Jo Hannah from Jodie Gilmore
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:52:44 GMT



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SUBJECT: Trying to get in touch with Marsha JoHanna

Sorry to waste bandwidth, but I tried to send a note to Marsha (in
CA, with Norwegian Fjords) and it bounced--Marsha, if you're out there,
could you send me a note? I have some Norwegian Fjord questions!

Thanks,

Jodie Gilmore
sasjmg@unx.sas.com
--
Jodie Gilmore
sasjmg@unx.sas.com

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From: cupcake@cibbs.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: One Not So Simple Question 
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 21:48:42 EST
Reply-To: uunorth!cibbs!cupcake
Organization: DataSoft Consulting (Toronto, Ont. Canada)

I have a question.  I've been reading all of the posts for a little while, I
asked the sysop of my BBS to keep this base, and I'm going to be writing a
book, and I hope to have it published.  I have been a very good writer, or so
my teachers have told me when I was in school and I want to get back into it.
I've been given plots and blurbs of very good stories, but I want to write
what *I8 want, and something that interests me.  My first love was horses, and
I ride whenever I can, but I dont' think that it's often enough.  So, I'm
going to be writing a book about this one person who has a VERY limited amount
of money and wants to make the "perfect racing equine".  I want to know what
you guys, and gals, think the "pefect equine" is.

When I was a kid, I read up on horses, from colors to breeds to anatomy to
feeding to gaits.  I remember MOST of what I had read, but I dont' have the
perfect memory, so I'm going through all of the horses that I can remember
with very good stamina and endurance, like Arabians and thoroughbreds, but I'm
also going to the library and looking up all sorts of other stuff.  So, I'm
relearning so to speak.  If you can give me any kind of feedback at all, I
woudl really appreciate it.


Cupcake
(My real name is Liz)

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From: carmen@src4src.linet.org (James Prins)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian,news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.equestrian.racing
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:39:05 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source


  
   How about alt.equestrian.household.appliances.namely.glue?  Pardon me but 
after the whole issue about Dix Hills, NY, Population 35,999 (And me!) I felt
inclined to write.  
   Really though, I go to a school in which I take care of horses for 4 credits
a year, and think it would be a great idea to add alt.gambling.horse-racing to
attract the attention of horse trainers out there that do not know what they
are doing.  I've seen two horses that are in that same spot, in that they are
too damaged from being pushed while they were still developing to live a happy
horses life.  Excuse this protrusion.  And if anyone is interested, the name of
the school I attend is Knoll Farms, the most popular stable for top rated 
thourough-breds on Long Island.  
  
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From: GRS00008@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (*Stephanie Jane Yoder)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: saddle making update-done!
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:45:31 GMT
Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
NNTP-Posting-Host: conrad.appstate.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

hi all

well, i finally finished my saddle.  Ya!!!!  it looks great and sits
great (on the stand).  the real test will come over thanksgiving break
when i take it home to try it on my 2 horses.  i've taken pictures throughout
and will gladly scan them as soon as i get the contact sheet made.  i would
like to put them at an ftp site.  any ideas as to where i could put them?

i would up hand stitching everything (i think it looks better and is more
durable).  i didn't dye the leather, only oiled it.  i'm waiting for a
friend of mine to finish making the plates that cover the holes (remember
it is a McCellan tree).  i'm having those done in nickle to match the chrome
plated footman's loops and the silver conchos.  the local leather workers
gave high complements on it.  i am quite pleased with it.  i am looking
for someone close by to sponser me next semester in making another saddle.
i am hoping i can talk the "marshall" out at twettsie railroad (western
/mountain style tourist trap up here) into sponsoring me so i can show
off my carving/tooling abilites.  it's a good deal in that they buy the
leather and tree or provide one from a used saddle)

and the tooling will cost very little.

gotta go
stef
From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.equestrian.racing
Date: 16 Nov 92 08:35:02
Organization: Intel i960(tm) Architecture
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	<1992Nov15.213345.29566@mel.dit.csiro.au>
NNTP-Posting-Host: potato.intel.com
In-reply-to: jen187@mis.csiro.au's message of Sun, 15 Nov 92 21:33:45 GMT


jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812) writes:
] I would NOT like to see a racing element added to rec.equestrian newsgroup.
] I read this newsgroup because it's full of people who seem to like,
] respect, and care for horses. I don't wish to read about people who
] wantto flog them to death for money. This is NOT a flame, just my
] opinion.

It's a predjudiced opinion, I think. I've known a few standardbred
race horse owners who took the best care imaginable of their horses.
I've also known of some louses, of course. And I've seen what was left
of several horses after years on the show circuit, too, and it's a crime.
Every class of horse owner, form the backyard pet owners to the high-priced
Thoroughbred owners, has it's share of heroes and villians. Let's not tar
people with a too-wide brush.
--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: previous post
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:49:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


	I apologize for my mistake in sending the previous post,
I sent the wrong file to this news group.  Sorry, everyone :-).

				Tracy and everybody
From: bennett@merak.cs.unc.edu (Robert Bradley Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Norwegian Fjord stables and/or other Equestrian Activities in NC?
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:19:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill


A net-less friend of mine wants to know if there are any Norwegian Ford
stables, rodeos or any other interesting equestrian activities available in
North Carolina.

Anyone have any pointers?

Thanks.
From: jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: HELP for weak shelly hooves
Keywords: nutritional deficiency
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:57:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Nov17.145721.13092
Organization: Washington State University
Originator: jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu


>Subj:  HELP for weak shelly hooves           92-11-13 16:50:04 EST
>From:  Ponytrax
>
>Hello, I need help with brittle, weak hooves.  I have an 8-year old TB gelding,
>off the track for 25 months now.  He is 15'3", 900 lbs approx.  I would say he
>is in medium work: ridden 6x per week, a mix of dressage, jumping, and
>conditioning work (long trailrides in hilly country).  He lives in a large (2+
>acre) turnout with another gelding, and is out all the time, until January
>through mid-April, when they are bedded in box stalls at night.  His diet
>varies with requirements, the current regimen is:
>
>7 lbs oat hay, 6 lbs alfalfa hay, about 4 lbs grain (a home-made mix of whole
>oats and rolled corn oats & barley) 1/2 cup corn oil, the commercial product
>*Source* (as manufacturer recommends) and 1 1/2 oz. *Biotin H-4* (also a
>commercial product).  He's been on the supplements for about 18 months and his
>feet have shown no improvement--they haven't gotten worse, but they haven't
>gotten better, either.
>
>I have read about adding powdered milk to the diet, to increase the dietary
>availability of one of the proteins (but I forget which one).  
>Any and all recommendations gratefully received.
>
>
>Liz

PLEASE RESPOND TO Ponytrax@aol.com  

I posted this for someone who does not have UseNet access.  Please respond
to her address above; if you can't, I will forward mail to her.

--
Jeff Parke <jeffp@vcs10.vetmed.wsu.edu>
also:   jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet     CIS: 71511,1512    AOL: JeffParke
Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine class of 1994
Pullman, WA  99164-7012
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: A Question
Date: 21 Nov 92 08:44:34 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <26448@megatest.UUCP>, sconway@megatest.UUCP (Sharon Conway) writes:
> 
> What you have to remember is that he isn't listening to you when he
> anticipates and moves into a different gait before you ask.  He definitely
> knows the pattern, and is listening for the announcer.  One thing you may
> want to try is going to schooling shows, and doing the opposite of what
> the announcer says, and what other horses are doing. So when the announcer says
> "trot your horse"...you lope your horse.  Or when everyone else is walking,
> you are trotting.  Another way alot of horses are schooled is that they
> are brought to schooling shows and walked through the whole class, regardless
> of what the rest of the horses are doing.  This teaches the horse to turn his
> concentration back to you, and to stop anticipating the pattern.
> 

Just to make a point, having a horse that is show-wise and knows when 
to trot if the announcer says trot, isn't always bad.  Our old gelding
Tar has been showing for years, is very ring smart and knows the voice
commands.  So, when my girlfriend's daughters wanted to learn to ride 
and show this year, we put them on Tar on a lunge line and he taught
them to ride.  Then they went to a few shows and he taught them to show.
No, they didn't win any prizes but they had a wonderful time, found out
that when the announcer said TROT, that Tar was going to TROT, even if
they weren't ready.  After a few shows, they 'got with the program' and
did much better.


> Putting cotton in their ears is a common way people try to stop this
> anticipation also, especially with horses that are shown alot and have
> become "ring wise".  But, it is not solving the problem, just delaying
> more problems.  It sounds like you enjoy showing your horse, and it would
> be too bad for you to start having these type of problems escalate now.
> 
> One more note, I don't know how legal it is to use cotton in your horses
> ears.  I show QH, and I'm pretty sure its not legal.  Just something to
> think about.
> 
> Sharon

Sue
From: patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Re: rec.equestrian.racing => rec.sporting.racing.horse
Date: 18 Nov 1992 22:08:38 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alpha.larc.nasa.gov

In article <21730025@hpcss01.cup.hp.com> twv@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Terry Von Gease) writes:
>>/ hpcss01:rec.equestrian / patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell) /  1:24 pm  Nov 13, 1992 /
>> You know, if they would only bank the turns, it would save a whole
>> lot of fine young TB bones!
>>
>>patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov
>>
>
>Why? Most injuries happen on the straightaways when extension is at max.
>
>Terry

 Stresses are highest on the turns. Look at race car tracks, they're
 banked. Otherwise, the car would fishtail around the turn, right?
 Well, horses have one more way to counteract momentum - leaning into 
 turn, shoulder first (race horses are almost leaning sideways
 coming around the turns) putting maximum stresses on their legs.
 Make sense?

patty

From: twv@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Terry Von Gease)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:49:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Horse breakdown potential
Organization: the Lodi Home for the Bald
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

>/ hpcss01:rec.equestrian / usenet@convex.cup.hp.com / 12:57 pm  Nov 16, 1992 /
 
...

>I was under the impression that they were about the same as owning
>a dog or cat. Don't laugh too hard... I see horses all around my
>place, that just stand out in a small corral, day after day, looking
>bored to death. I assumed they required ZERO maintenance because I've
>never seen anyone pay them any mind. It really hurts to see an animal
>treated like this. 

So how do you figure they ought to be treated?  Would you read them
stories?  Wear funny hats?  Tapdance?  What?  When horses are not being
handled, eating, or taking a crap, they just stand there and look
stupid for the most part.  At least all of mine do.  One mare in particular
lets about seven feet of tongue hang out the side of her mouth looking
much like the village idiot.

>
>One day, I'd like to be able to take in some of those old timers, show
>them some love and affection, and make their final days pleasant.

How do you know that they are old timers?  How do you know that they
are experiencing their final days?  How do you know that their days,
final or not, are unpleasant?

You have successfully disabused you mind of the notion that horses
are like puppy dogs and kitty cats.  The next plateau will be reached
when you realize that horses are half-ton beasts with a brain about the 
size of a walnut.  They have marvelous personalities and they all are
characters.  But don't confuse personality with intelligence.  I've got
socks that are more intelligent than most horses.

Terry
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: bak@ldgo.columbia.edu (Betty Kizer)
Subject: Re: TEAM PENNING
Summary: just adding a phone number for entries and info  914-355-1183
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:30:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.174702.25779@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu>, kkg@ldgo.columbia.edu (Karen Gunther) writes:
> Saturday Night  7pm  Gardnertown Farm, Newburgh,NY
> Newly formed Tri-State Team Penning Association
> Will take entries at 6pm
> Team Penning Jackpot  $30.00 per person
> 50% Payback
> 
> One on One Jackpot  $20.00 per person
> 50% Payback
> 
> SATURDAY  21 November
> 
> Directions from Interstate 84  exit at 7N
> (Route 300)  go north approximately 3 miles
> Past Police Station and Church to dirt
> drive with wooden sign Gardnertown Farm
> Farm is on right side of road
> 

For info and entries please call 914-355-1183

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: meridiem@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jill Engel)
Subject: Re: Horsey DinnerTheatres, what I saw
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:23:12 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Diane wrote:
>I hear there is also
>a "new" hotel/casino in Las Vegas which is entirely with a medieval theme.
>I think they have jousting, etc. as well. Can't think of the name of it.
>Has anyone on the net been there?

It's called the Excaliber and I went past it the last time I was in Vegas,
about 2 years ago.  It hadn't opened yet, but the building was the gaudiest
cheesiest castle I've ever seen.  Fit right in.  (8  I don't know how good 
the shows are though...

>If memory serves me... The "Black Stallion" of the movie was played by a
>number of horses, but the primary/star was a stallion named something like
>Caseolay (I'm sure that's not spelled right!) and I think he was from a
>Ranch in Texas. I remember reading that they had to auditon a bunch of
>horses to find some that were willing swim for the first movie when the
>ship sank.

The stallion's name is Cass Ole and he is owned by the Cuello family,
San Antonio Arabians in San Antonio, Texas.  I visited them once, beautiful
farm, beautiful horse...

>Speaking of Walter Farley and the Black Stallion books, has anyone else
>ever wondered how the heck they got an Arabian Stallion in the Kentucky
>Derby? ;-) Aw, artistic license. Of course, I think Walter was only 17
>when he wrote his first book in the late 30's. Great stuff though!

Well, OK, I've read the books a billion times in my youth.  The race was
not the Kentucky Derby, it was a special "match race" between the fastest 
East coast horse and the fastest West Coast horse.  "The Black" got in
by appealing to a radio announcer.  Also, the book often repeats that
the stallion is "too big to be pure Arabian" and that they know nothing 
about his breeding (since they got him from after the shipwreck and all
of the other passengers were drowned.)

>Diane & Spring & Dancer

Sheesh...  scary how much I know about those books and movie.  Must have
something to do with being a very very horse crazy pre-teen when the movie
came out...  (8

							     Jill


*  Jill Engel (Anne Meridiem)  * "If the world were a logical place, *
* meridiem@lamar.colostate.edu *  men would ride side-saddle."       *
*                              *                    --Rita Mae Brown * 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: ferricpl@piston.detroit.ingr.com (Pat Ferrick)
Subject: Re: Heaves (was: Feeding Old Horses)(LONG)
Keywords: heaves, emphysema, alveoli, lungs
Organization:                      Intergraph, Midwest Regional Office
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:31:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.043358.22402@nmsu.edu>, kcarver@dante.nmsu.edu (Kenneth Carver) writes:
> >somewhat????  Has anyone out there been able to return a seriously
> >heavey horse to work??? Let me know!!!
>                           *    *    *
> As long as you're not talking about racing or endurance riding, you
> should be able to get a horse back in condition for most any activity,
> IMHO.  At the point that recovery begins, the horse is not only
> functioning without the damaged portions of the lung, but with the
> remaining lung capacity severely impaired by reversible conditions.
> Once the lungs are clear, there should be sufficient capacity for most
> activities, and that can be improved further by exercise.

Hi all,

A few years ago a friend of mine purchased a real cute buckskin QH mare, and
brought her to the barn where I board. It just so happens that at this barn,
the stalls are along the sides of the indoor arena. She was kept outside all
day, every day throughout the summer and fall, and we never noticed a problem
with her. But come winter, when most of the riding was being done in the indoor
arena, she began to have respiratory problems. She would just stand there and
blow, nostrils flared, and developed a cough that just wouldn't go away. My
friend ended up taking her completely off hay and grain, and moved her to a
additional unattached barn where she had a run-out stall. This improved her
somewhat,and the vet put her on I believe, steroids of some sort.

I admit, it took some time for the cough to finally disappear, but it did. She
has been symptom-free for over a year now, and occasionally is treated with a
flake or so of hay (extremely wet, of course :-) ). She is fed a complete
pelleted food, which she is not so crazy about! But the long and the short of
it is...She did ride with me on a competitive ride (although we did not
officially compete because of Ghost's problems). We did ride at a fairly
competitive pace, and she was completely fine, not a problem at all!

So, depending on the horse and the degree of the problem, they can be brought
back to a useable form, and even to the degree of competitive riding!

Pat & Golden Ghost
From: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Horsey DinnerTheatres, what I saw
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:07:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bxtuov.AJs
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab


The earlier posting on the horsey dinner theatre, while I don't have
answers to your questions, reminded me that I had been to a few
down in Florida over a year ago while we were on our honeymoon.

We went to three dinner theaters which reflected my tastes/interests
more than Peter's, but oh well, he liked them too. We went to Medieval
Times, Arabian Nights, and King Henry's Feast (or something like that).
The last one didn't have any horses :( but it was very entertaining with
jugglers, fools, the works. This was Peter's favorite, just because we
were so much closer up and could see a lot more.

Medieval Times down there is muchlike the earlier description. I must
admit I was a bit upset when I noticed that the swords were easily
bent! But, I suppose that's for safety purposes!! It was pretty good, but
we were way up near the top so we couldn't see much. The tables were
on tiers so you could see, just couldn't see as much as the folks way
down in front. We did see an accident though. One knight's horse ran
INTO a corner, the knight fell into the crowd, saddle went flying to the
middle of the arena AND the bridle broke. Somehow I don't think that was
planned as the WHOLE show stopped dead and medics ran onto the scene
(modern day ones). Fortunately the knight and the horse were fine, but
there was a few minutes lapse as the tack was replaced! I think they'd
better check their tack more carefully next time!!! That knight ended up
being the 'winner' that night too! My knight didn't win. :(

But, my favorite of the three was Arabian Nights. It centered on a princess
dreaming of horses (gee, sounds like me!...always dreaming of horses). They
had several different 'skits'  that covered the world in the time allowed. They
had a really nice looking Appaloosa, think he was blackand blanketed, who did
 a drunk routine with his rider, now THAT was good!! Did some very nice moves
before they 'got drunk' too.  They also had a chariot race, barrel
riding, Spanish
riding, Arabian costumes, etc. I have the souvenir book at home if
someone is
really interested all in what they had. But the highlight of the evening
was when
they brought The Black Stallion out, claiming it was "Walter Farley's
Black Stallion"
very nice horse, but wasn't the horse in the movie a mare?? ;) At the
end they
let a WHOLE bunch of mares and foals loose in the arena and you could go
up
and pet them. They had the actors/actresses positioned around the arena
to
answer questions/take pictures whatever.  It was connected with some
big
Arabian farm, because during the day you could tour the farm (we didn't
get
around to that though...too busy at DisneyWorld). I can't remember if we
got
silverware with our meal or not, but Isure did love those heavy pewter
(?)
dishes we got!! And it was a fun show.

All three were good, but if you could only go to one, I'd got to Arabian
Nights! :)

Kay & Horseless Crew