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/ hpjsdo:rec.arts.movies / hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes) /  9:19 am  Sep  1, 1992 /
In article <1992Aug31.234201.5320@rigel.econ.uga.edu> hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes) writes:
>
>   It's been a few months since I remember this movie being
>   discussed on this group.  I just saw it again last night
>   and was struck by how *good* it is.  Imagine, an intelligent
>   sf/horror movie!  If you want to see such a thing, run out
>   and rent _Tremors_ and encourage the director (Ron Underwood?)
>   to make more of this stuff.  Does anyone know if he's made
>   anything else?  My guide lists only this movie.  Is he still
>   alive?  Does anyone know of any similarly intelligent movies
>   of the genre?  (I'm not requesting plugs for Alien or Terminator
>   types.)
>   
>   Wayne

Ron Underwood made 'City Slickers'.

                                        Shinji Teragaito (shinji@kobe.hp.com)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:42:48 EDT
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: 007 Quiz-Answers...

Pick that Nit time . . .

SMERSH is not the Soviet Secret Service; it is the counter-
intelligence dicision of same.  In other words, Smersh's
operations are limited to identifying and eliminating enemy
agents.

The name itself is a contraction of Smyert Spionam (sp),
"Death to Spies."


Jim Thomas
Penn State
From: csd15@seq1.keele.ac.uk (G.M. Friel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: "Romper Stomper"
Date: 6 Sep 92 13:43:02 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

Recently saw the new Australian film "Romper Stomper" (at the Edinburgh
International Film Festival, incidentally), which is supposed
to be doing really well down under and has been nominated for 6 (if I
recall correctly) Australian Oscars.  Its based around a goup of neo-nazi
skinheads who are not too happy (putting it mildly) about some local vietnamese 
immigrants.  All out gang warfare erupts and the whole thing gets extremely 
violent. 

This is probably one of the most profound film which I've seen in a long time,
and the level of violence is at times quite startling - a real "gob-smacker" of
a film.  It will be interesting to see how this film get distributed in the UK,
where the BBFC are a bit sensitive about extreme and explicit violence.  I was 
wondering what anyone else who has seen this film thought about it.

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From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: The Film with the fewest (> 0) actors
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:34:39 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <zippy.716011448@berry.cs.brandeis.edu>, zippy@cs.brandeis.edu 
(Patrick Tufts) writes:

> Swimming to Cambodia and Monster in a Box.  Both are Spaulding Gray
> monologues.  The first might be disqualified because it has a clip
> from The Killing Fields, but I believe Monster has one and only one actor.

And how many does _My Dinner With Andre_ have?

(I'm beginning to think that the people posting to this thread don't really
read this newsgroup...)

Greg Bole                               "Are you coming?  Yeah, well see the 
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu             train moves, not the platform."
                                       John Lovitz in _A Leauge of Their Own_
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Subject: Re: 007 Quiz-Answers...
From: Peter Yung Chang <pc20+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 11:50:27 -0400 
Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Economics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>3. Dr. No; From Russia With Love; Goldfinger; Thunderball; You Only Live
>   Twice; On Her Majesty's Secret Service; Diamonds Are Forever; Live and
>   Let Die; The Man With the Golden Gun; The Spy Who Loved Me; Moonraker;
>   For Your Eyes Only; Octopussy; A View To a Kill; The Living Daylights;
>   Licence To Kill....  16 movies

Aha!  You missed one!  Never Say Never Again - w/ Sean and came out the
same time as Octopussy...

					
					peech

Peter Chang
Economics/Industrial Management
Carnegie Mellon University
<pc20+@andrew.cmu.edu>




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From: svedberg@s20.msi.umn.edu (Eric J. Svedberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Holden's Eyes (was Re: Blade Runner...(SPOILERS))
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:57:44 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman) writes:

>crunch@camelot.bradley.edu (Randy Bloom) writes:

>>That's like asking "why didn't character a know character b was going to do
>>that? didn't he read ahead?"  The eye-glowing thing is only a film device
>>to let the audience "know" who was or wasn't a replicant, and isn't
>>necessarily an accurate measure. 

>Wha??  Not an accurate measure?  If I saw anyone's eyes glow, I'd think
>something was up (or they got into the spice :-)

   Well, that's part of the reason they're hard to see glow.  Unless you're
paying attention you wouldn't notice.  It's a subtle jesture that not
everyone picks up.

>I have doubts about your
>interpretation; having replicants' eyes glow for the audience but not for
>the film's characters is lame.  You might as well have a subtitle which
>says "This is Holden; he is a replicant".
>--
>Dave!

   Well, I hate to spoil your fun Dave, but IMO Randy knows what he is
talking about.  It isn't a 'lame' idea to me.  The whole idea of the
subtelness of the glowing eyes is what makes it so simple.  It isn't a gaudy
subtitle stating "This is Holden; he is a replicant", it's just there for
those who see it.

eric
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From: hist1261@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Phil Kaufman
Date: 16 Sep 92 10:27:32 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

I watched Phil Kaufman's remake of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" over 
the weekend and was very impressed.  Does anyone out there have Kaufman's
filmography?  I can't seem to find one anywhere, and would much appreciate
it if someone would e-mail the information.

Thanks.

Richard.

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From: gckchin@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Kelvyn Chin)
Subject: Re: Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me (*MAJOR SPOILERS*)
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 08:29:09 GMT


Uhhh, sorry to be ignorant, but I've only managed to catch bits and
pieces of TP on TV. I liked it very much but don't have the whole
compilation and am completely lost. Before FWWM arrives, could a kind
soul post me a synopsis of what was happening in TP, or maybe point
me to a source?

Thanks in advance.

kelvyn
(ps I don't mind spoilers at all)
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From: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:10:51 GMT
Reply-To: gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies

Waynes World,    or     Batman Returns

   God was I embarrassed I went to see these turkeys.

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Subject: Re: howard's end...GYUCK!
From: mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Mark Hiro           Norman         )
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:35:11 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

In <1992Sep8.195810.119248@marshall.wvnet.edu> rcbi27@marshall.wvnet.edu (DBRUM) writes:

>Just saw HOWARD'S END. Gyuck! Drivel. Nothing to it. Beautifully filmed
>outline for a movie, but no real movie. I can't believe it got ****!

A strange comment; visually and emotionally the movie is powerful.
"Nothing to it"? I think not.

>Substancially weak and overly precious, H.E. is more like a comedy without
>any jokes than a serious Edwardian (or whatever era) morality play. Compare
>it to something like RAGTIME, which in some quadrants garnered only ***.

Although there were some funny moments, these were not the point of the
film at all. Critics of the plot when the novel was first published only
really objected to the affair (to say anymore would be a spoiler, though
most people would have seen it by now) due to the incredibility of it.

What _exactly_ did you find wrong with the story then?

>Wouldn't watch twice. --Wouldn't have watched the first time if I'd  had
>any way of knowing how paltry it *really* was.

With that sort of attitude I'm surprised you ever go to movies at all.
You have to expect to see bad ones sometimes; or at least, movies which
you don't particularly enjoy.

>--danny


-- 
Mark Norman           | My university doesn't let me send email.
mnor1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz | "We Hate It When Our Friends Become Successful..."
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From: gdg019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Ridley McIntyre)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Director's Cut (SPOILERS)
Organization: Ironpig Arcadia, Coventry, UK
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:54:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.185929.1158@Bang.UUCP> bam%bang@trout.nosc.mil writes:
>dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge) writes:
>: 
>: - No voiceovers by Deckard ***ABSOLUTELY NONE***
>: - The unicorn-coming-out-of-woods scene is now in the film
>: - Movie ends when elevator door closes
>: 
>: That's about it, really. The film does NOT contain the extra bits of
>: violence that are on the standard video release, so it appears to have
>: as its base the original US film version.
>: 
>
>Did they use pieces from both?  The 'stronger language' was in the scene
>with Tyrell, but not the added violence from the international version.

Okay, someone fill me in here. You Americans are forever telling us that the
"International" or "European" version of BR has extra flight footage and
extra violence. Where?

If by the extra violence you mean the scene where Pris sticks her fingers up
Deckard's nose and tries to wrench it off (Ford's idea at the time), then I'm
sorry, but we don't get that scene here in Britain, either.

From what I can gather, the British version is the same as the American version.

Anay takers?

-- 
        	 **Ridley McIntyre - Ronin Ironpig**			
		     gdg019@cck.coventry.ac.uk
		 -----------------------------------
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From: nichols@math.umn.edu (Preston Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Home Alone (was Re: Most <pejorative adjective> Movies)
Date: 8 Sep 92 00:10:21 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

I haven't seen this point raised in the recent discussions of Home Alone:
There is a fairly explicit reference to Fritz Lang's "M", and a general  
similarity of plot to Sam Peckinpaw's "Straw Dogs", both of which are much  
respected movies.

This made Home Alone a little more interesting to me, and easier to sit  
through, but it didn't really redeem the movie as a whole.

Does anyone have an opinion on this?  Am I just making it up?

-Preston
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From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman)
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:13:18 GMT

trudel@athos.rutgers.edu (Jonathan) writes:
>(J M T Costa) writes:
>
>
>>It must have been a totally idiotic, mornic, unfunny film about earth being
>>invaded by green stand-up comedians from Mars. There ought to be a law
>>against moronic would-be cult movies.
>
>It's called Martians Go Home.  It was awful.  Mindbogglingly dreadful.
>I sat through the whole thing chanting my movie mantra "It's got to get
>better, it's got to get better..."  to no avail.


Hey! I liked bits of that film! Well really only one bit. Where the
martians sing "The Name Game", great version of the song. I agree the
rest of the film was a bit below standard (okay it was trash :-)
-- 
Andy Newman (andy@research.canon.oz.au)		"int - God's own type"
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From: ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig)
Subject: 3 Men and a Baby - Ghost Boy ?
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 16:59:57 GMT

We have just watched this movie.  Does anybody know anything about the
"ghost boy" that appears in the window, behind some curtains, as Ted
Danson, his "mum" and the baby are moving passed ?  There is a shotgun
in the same position as they move passed the other way (but this happens
a couple of minutes before).  It looks really weird.

I've heard a couple of unbelievable stories, but I was wondering if anybody
knew anything about it.

Thanks in advance,

Anthony Doig			| E-mail : ajd@Dialix.oz.au
Corporate Systems Development	| Voice  : +61 9 321 2442
Perth, Western Australia	| Fax    : +61 9 474 2553
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From: sbarnhar@mailbox.mail.umn.edu (Dr. Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Movies you heard were good but sucked (was Re: Most Embarassing Movie)
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Organization: U of Mn Propoganda Ministry
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:42:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.141446.22895@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
George.Harris@bbs.oit.unc.edu (George Harris) wrote:
> 
> In article <sbarnhar-040992151951@morril6t-10.micro.umn.edu> sbarnhar@mailbox.mail.umn.edu (Dr. Barnhart) writes:
> >In article <JASON.92Sep4144357@ab20.larc.nasa.gov>,
> >jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin) wrote:
> >
> >> 
> >> Barton Fink: Had to be the most boring piece of nonsense I've ever
> >> 	seen. 
> >
> >At least you're honest about this one.  I can't believe the number of
> >people who start going into cinema-art speak when they talk about this
> >movie.  I think what they're trying to get across was "..it was a really
> >boring, stupid, go-nowhere movie, but it won all those important awards and
> >was written/produced/directed by those paragons of new cinema, the Cohen
> >brothers, so there must be some kind of important commentary on something
> >or other."
> >
> >Face facts, folks, that story ran out of steam after the first five
> >minutes.
> 
> 	I think what you meant to say here was `Well, I watched this movie,
> and I couldn't figure out what was going on, so all thus people who claimed
> to like it and that it had a lot of substance *must* have been lying, because
> I couldn't possibly be as much of a dim-witted, slack-jawed drooling neander-
> thal as that.'  Right.

I was just trying to point out that the emporer was wearing no clothes.

> 
> 	On the other hand, if you don't tell me what I think, I won't tell you
> what you think.

Since you aren't thinking for yourself, I can't see how that should be a
problem for me.

Shawn Barnhart ! sbarnhar@mailbox.mail.umn.edu
I'm not selling out, I'm buying in.
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From: ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair)
Subject: Re: Howard's End
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:00:43 GMT

   I agree Howard's End was a beautifully made film, but was unhappy with
the plot.  It seemed a pointless mix of many themes from Victorian melodrama:
bankruptcy, will tampering, broken engagements,... At the theater I attended,
there was quite a bit of laughter at what I think were intended as serious
moments.

   Did the movie differ much from the book?
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From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman)
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:38:14 GMT


Although I wasn't embarrased the worst film I have ever had the
pleasure of seeing was called "Star Worms 2: Attack of the Pleasure
Pods". And no it wasn't pornographic (would of made it a lot more
interesting if it had been.)

-- 
Andy Newman (andy@research.canon.oz.au)		"int - God's own type"
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From: kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman)
Subject: Re: WOODY ALLEN MOVIES
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:17:49 GMT

In article <leroy.716189611@syzygy> leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy) writes:
>I don't think Alice can be dismissed that easily.Woody Allen is, in my opinion
>now producing movies that are totally unlike that of any other directors (but,
>of course, I've never seen any Bergman.) Fans who see every Allen movie (and
>watch a lot of other movies), can appreciate his films have changed since the 
>pure comedies like Sleeper, and that the change is a very good thing.

Well, I am a fan who has seen every Allen film (except Shadows and Fog), I see 
lots of other movies, and I can appreciate that his films have changed since 
the pure comdedies like Sleeper. I don't think that the change has been a very 
good thing. I liked all of the early comedies. Annie Hall was great. Manahattan
was great. Since then, things have just gone way downhill. I though Alice was 
terrible. The acting was good, but that just emphasised how stupid the plot
was.

I read an article about Allen once that made what I thought was an interesting
(well, funny anyhow) point. Everyone compares Allen to Bergman but the biggest 
difference between them is, Bergman's characters go out and experience life; 
Allen's characters go out and experience Bergman films.

Michael

-- 
Michael Kaufman | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on
 kaufman        | fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in
  @eecs.nwu.edu | the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be
                | lost in time - like tears in rain. Time to die.     Roy Batty
From: ahummel@ems.cdc.com (H. Austin Hummel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: REALLLLLLY bad embarassing movies
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:18:54 GMT
Reply-To: you@ems.cdc.com
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

In article <1992Sep15.150236.25601@cs.tulane.edu>, jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Misti Jordan) writes:
|> 
|> In article <191g8eINNjrt@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE>, hellmann@iowa.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Dirk Hellmann ) writes:
|> >       HUDSON HAWK - a big piece of S**T. Silly Story. Bad Playing.
|> >
|> 
|> I liked this one... can't you just see a theif skateboarding past a
|> security guard and steal a priceless work of art... all the time
|> singing "Would you like to swing on a star..." :)
|> 

Agree, Not the best but entertaining.
From: cn@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Needham)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:44:13 GMT
Subject: The Dead List (A-Ce) Part I of V
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: What movies do to cities...
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 92 21:21:36 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep10.005510.23179@sctc.com>

>Especially enjoyable for local folks is to watch a scene where the
>movie travels through the city. Two examples come to mind...
>
>"Protocol" with Goldie Hawn begins with a truly unlikely tour past
>famous sites in Washington DC. I vaguely remember the motorcade
>passing the Lincoln Memorial, then Pennsylvania Avenue (2 miles away),
>then the Jefferson Memorial (a mile back, near Lincoln), and so on. By
>the time the tour was over they'd have had to criss-cross the city 4
>or 5 times. Gives a whole new meaning to "taking the scenic route."
>artistic license and continuity errors.
>
>Rick.
>smith@sctc.com       arden hills, minnesota


Same kinda deal in a Sam Elliott vehicle of the 70s called 
"Lifeguard" which makes the rounds on cable quite often (and be
sure to admire the heavily overdosed wah-wah-peddle-disco
instrumentals in the sound track :-)

He heads home from the beach in his Vette drivin thru the 
"South Bay" area of L.A. County (Redondo Beach, Torrance, etc.) 
and turns from one street onto another which is really miles
away.. this goes on for 2 or 3 minutes. I live in this part of town
and snicker every time I see this segment especially, although
there are plenty of other scenes in this film which are good
for snicker-fodder.  

One of these days I'll start a "Name a movie that hasn't aged well"
thread. :-)

Harv

ps.. oh and if this was rec.arts.tv we could also talk about the
way the "Vega$" series of a few years back treated that city in
the same "let's redraw all the street maps" way. Although its 
main character "Dan Tanna" lived in a little building literally
ON the Strip next door to Circus Circus (I actually found this
building once on a trip to Vegas in the early 80s... the fake
planters and some other set decoration was missing,
and someone had scrawled "Hey Binzer!" on the garage door, but
there it was, in its puke green glory, behind a bank on the
Strip and next door to Circus Circus, but it's long since been 
torn down and replaced with a mini-mall so don't bother looking for
it anymore.. but I digress)... so anyway, Dan would "drive home" 
from a Casino/Hotel literally across the street by way of cruising
all the way up and then all the way back down the Strip, and 
usually include part of Fremont Street (Downtown Vegas, a few
miles away) in his trip.  I think that the Desert Inn hotel put
up a lot of front money for exposure of their signs and premesis
in this show (Tanna was a house-P.I. for the Desert Inn), but it
seemed like every other casino in town got part of the footage-action
too, and as often as possible.
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From: jpehko@cs.joensuu.fi (Juha Pehkonen)
Subject: Re: Somebody had to say it...
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:57:49 GMT

cb366@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark B. Bendiksen) writes:

>Before responding to a post in a particular thread, could people
>please read through all posts in the thread to make sure that
>twenty-five people haven't already given the same answer?

You might as well be reaching for the moon :-)  Yes, I would also like
to see this happen, but it won't. Never.

Juha Pehkonen
jpehko@cs.joensuu.fi

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From: bew@brahms.udel.edu (Ben Williams)
Subject: Re: Blade Runner Director's Cut (SPOILERS)
Keywords: blade runner ridley scott director cut film
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:17:58 GMT

In article <1936m0INNhgd@corax.udac.uu.se> magnus@solaris.astro.uu.se (Magnus Selhammar) writes:
; I can't hold it back any more...
; I have seen the film but I can't remember...
; 
; WHO IS HOLDEN??
; 
; Magnus


Holden?  You remember, Holden Caufield, from the sci fi movie based on the
classic book "Catcher of the Replicants"...

Ben.

-- 
Ben Williams
bew@brahms.udel.edu

               What we got here is a failure to communicate... 
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