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From: winston@merk.com (Winston Smith)
Subject: Re: Kermit-65 source code
Keywords: KERMIT-65, assembler, 6502, compatibility, C
Organization: Technology Partners, Inc.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 06:50:06 GMT


"Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water...."
 
     Well, the KERMIT-65 saga continues.  I was able to locate a 6502
cross-assembler written in C.  It is able to generate an ASCII text
assembler listing, both with program source, or just with assembled byte
values given in ASCII text.  This program is able to run on a "Kernighan
and Ritchie" C compiler.  Unfortunately, the program that accompanies the
assembler, that is supposed to turn the text characters into binary
code, is written in ANSI C, and the file calls make the K&R C compiler I
am using do strange things.  <* ARG! *>  Why can't this assembler generate
UUENCODE output as an option?  Why do people --DO-- things like this?  Why
do they add non-compatible ANSI C programs to programs that are K&R C
compliant?  This is driving me crazy!
From: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Need Action! help
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:39:56 GMT
Reply-To: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Richardson, TX
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

Jeff Potter writes:
>
>Russ Wetmore is alive and working for Apple I believe.  I don't remember
>that he was involved with the Action! programming language.  He was, of
>course, the author of Preppie!, Sea Dragon, and Homepak.  I see his father
>from time to time...

Russ didn't have anything to do with the Action! language itself, but
he was probably its most proficient user.  Homepak was written entirely
in Action! and he wrote a few columns full of really obscure (and useful)
Action! tricks for Analog Computing.

Now, what happened to Clinton Parker, the Action! author?

--
James Hague   
exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
From: jjmcwill@mtu.edu (Jeff McWilliams)
Subject: Re: FORTH-83 for Atari 8-bit; anyone interested?
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:15:39 GMT

Dave,

Hey,thanks for the great insight into Forth.  Reverse Polish notation 
is something I dread, and hate.  I refuse to purchase a new expensive
HP calculator because is uses RPN.  Instead, I keep buying the 
TI calculators.  I guess that is also why I never really looked into Forth.
Yes, I have Action! now, and I like using it better than Lightspeed  C, or
Pascal.

Jeff McWilliams

-- 
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Leaves Turning, falling, withering
Wind blowing, rustling, chilling
candlelight will soon be flickering
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: wvogel@MtHolyoke.edu (keeper of the tone)
Subject: *** DOS NEEDED***
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:50:09 GMT


i am looking for a dos 2.0 or better for my ATARI 65XL does anyone have
(i think thats the right model i havent had it out in months)
a copy they would like to part with?
also looking for a modem for the same unit
email me wvogel@mtholyoke.edu or post it here

thanx in advance
wayne

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: rossi@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Oliver Rosenkranz)
Subject: Re: comp.sys.atari.8bit.archive
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:55:19 GMT

bbs@neb (BBS System 801-572-4969) writes:

>I think all those articles should be simply submitted to AC via US Mail
>or E-mail to B.Poehland (or via GEnie). If AC is going to remain alive,
>we're all going to have to break down and contribute whatever we can.
> 
>I personally am working on multiple articles for submission to AC. I
>just got my Authors kit in the mail two days ago. 
> 
>Did realize they'd be willing to pay $25.00 for each article. I simply
>wanted to submit them to help out -- dont know if I'd take 25.00 or not
>(maybe just once to pay back for the subscription costs) <grin>
But for the ones with internet or Digest access there will be no extra
costs if you pick up a new newsgroup.
To read and subscribe AC is for some reasons not the best solution for
everyone (especially for those in Europe/Asia/Australia/(Africa ?)).
Look at other comp.sys....newsgroups.
Do they say, we don't need more than one newsgroup ?
They are happy with all the newsgroups they have and every month there is
a new one...

You get money for the stuff you write. That's okay and I wish you good luck.
But see, there's a limitation for your articles. They have to be your work
and/or free of copyrights.

But if you post it to a newsgroup and don't publish it in a commercial product
there is the possibility (and I know that some guys will give their OK for it)
to ask old and dead magazine redacteurs/owners, if you can re-publish it via
internet for free (because noone except the users gains an advantage).
Especially in German there are a lot of (for Americans) UNKNOWN sources for
ATARI related material. I know what I'm saying. I own an ATARI library filling
cupboards over cupboards.

See Ya
--==rossi==--

SAY YES...
From: phbill@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Digi-song!!!!
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 12:29:12 PST
Reply-To: phbill@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Organization: Indescribable Creations

btw: the file has been sent (sucessfully?  unsuccessfully?) to the 
archive.

bye!

           \
  /\  /    /\  / /  /
 /\/ /\  \/\/ / /  /    PhBill@Cyberden.SF.CA.US, or
/     /   \/ /  \  \    PhBill@Cyberden.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: bbs@neb (BBS System 801-572-4969)
Subject: 8" disk drives
Organization: Nebula - Public Access Unix/bbs SLC Ut, USA
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 07:47:26 GMT

I've recently come into contact with numerous IBM style (old
mainframe/teletype) 8" disk drive mechanisms (dual drive cases). Are
these usable with the ATR8000 (or MIO)? If so, what software would/could
be used to format out those monster disks? I've noticed that the disks
themselves are notated as: Double sided, double density. Does that
indicate 360k of storage? I've heard rumors of 1.2meg 8"
disks/drives. 
 
Any information on this project GREATLY appeciated.
-----
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: Need Action! help
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:49:43 GMT

In article <2PPiwB1w165w@cyberden.sf.ca.us> phbill@cyberden.sf.ca.us writes:
>Speaking of Action!... somebody set me straight.  Was BobTerm (or any of 
>Bob Puff's ditties) written in Action!?...
>
>I recall hearing that somewhere.
>
The way I heard it, Express! was written in Action! but Bobterm is
pure assembler.  I think BBS Express was also Action!, but not Express
Pro.
Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com


Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: jbunch@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Bunch)
Subject: Games for the 8bit....
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 13:35:12 GMT

Howdy,

I had and Atari 800xl with 256k ram that I gave to my younger brothers,
but I had almost no software/info for it.  I used to have a ton of disks
for it, but lost them in one the various moving expiditions I have had.
Anyone out there selling 8bit games and/or programming utils/books?  I
know there is a lot of stuff on atari.archive, but I have no modem for the
8bit and have no way of transferring stuff from my st to there 8bit.  Any
pointers?  The diskdrive they have is a 1050.  It is not happy/doubled
etc.

John

P.S.  Also I have a couple of things that dont run on it, anybody know
where I can get the 8bit translater?  Make the roms emulate the older
400/800 systems.


--
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Albany, NY 12208          *  jbunch@nyx.cs.du.edu If mail here bounces
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey)
Subject: Re: My Atari 800 has a power-up problem
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 12:22:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.153843.13260@cbfsb.cb.att.com> wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (I) wrote:
> I have an Atari 800 with a power up problem:  Sometimes (lately
>very frequently) I won't get a video image at all, or a pattern
>of vertical and horizontal bars for the video image.  After flipping
>the power switch on and off several times, I can coax the machine
>to operate correctly.  I tried opening the machine up and reseating
>connectors, and chips in sockets, but that didn't clear this
>problem.  I also have an Atari 400 I am willing to steal boards/parts
>from, any suggestions?
I can answer my own question now.  I took both machines apart, and swapped
out the "CPU" board, this one being the only board common to both (except
for a memory 16K board).  Turns out that swapping the CPU board removed
the problem from the 800, and placed the problem in my 400.  So obviously
the problem is in the CPU board.  Haven't taken the time to identify it
beyond that, as I achieved my main goal of getting the 800 alive.
Can anyone guess what chip or part on the CPU board might cause the
above power up problem?
>=========================================================================
>"the earthly power sucks shadowed milk from sleepy tears undone
>from nippled skin as smooth as silk the bugles blown as one" Peter Gabriel
From: Chris_F_Chiesa@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Kermit-65 source code
Date: Fri,  1 Jan 93 19:17:49 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Winston Smith writes:

>To All 6502 Programmers Out There,
>  
>     I have been examining the KERMIT-65 source code files that I FTP-ed
>from the Atari Archive with a "get".  I don't own a MAC-65 6502 Assembler
>cartridge, and some of the symbols used seem a bit strange.  For example,
>what is the meaning of the pseudo-op ".SBTTL" ?  Another interesting
>expression is "<byte>!<byte>" (...is that supposed to be a Logical NOT of
>two bytes?).  Finally, in the KERMIT-65 "make" file, the "-v" flag is set.
>Is there a version of the UNIX "as6502" cross-assembler utility that even
>--SUPPORTS-- a "v" flag ?  What assembler was used to generate object code
>from these sources, does anyone know ?  Thank you.

   .SBTTL means "Subtitle," and just makes an informative title appear 
at the (usually) second line of each page in the assembly listing created
as a result of assembling the code.

   <byte>!<byte> usually means "bitwise OR" of two bytes, i.e. "a quan-
tity in which all bits are set which were set in EITHER of the two original
bytes."  Example: 2!4 = 6

   I don't know about the -v flag or what assembler was used to build 
Kermit-65.  John Dunning, who last I heard was at least still marginally 
associated with this newsgroup in the capacity of manager of new 8-bit
contributions to the Atari Archive, did the port of Kermit-65 from the 
Commodore 64, producing the KERMIT.EXE that is in common use today.  I'd
say John would be the guy to ask about this.  John, are you still out there?
(If you're still unable to post, e-mail me and I'll relay to the newsgroup,
John...)

  Chris Chiesa
     Chris_F_Chiesa@cup.portal.com
From: jworthy@stein.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: SPARTADOS
Date: 22 Dec 92 04:58:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec22.045854.20730
Organization: University of Washington


	Is this still an available program, and if so where?  If so what 
	version would be best for a basic 130xe system?

	And another thing...how much would it cost for a 10 to 20Mb hard
	drive addition?

	Ryan
From: wookie@terapin.com (Barry Vanover)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: My Atari 800 has a power-up problem
Date: 25 Dec 92 18:23:27 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Dec22.153843.13260@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com
(robert.f.casey) writes:
> I have an Atari 800 with a power up problem:  Sometimes (lately
>very frequently) I won't get a video image at all, or a pattern
>of vertical and horizontal bars for the video image.  After flipping
>the power switch on and off several times, I can coax the machine
>to operate correctly.  I tried opening the machine up and reseating
>connectors, and chips in sockets, but that didn't clear this
>problem.  I also have an Atari 400 I am willing to steal boards/parts
>from, any suggestions?
>=========================================================================
>"the earthly power sucks shadowed milk from sleepy tears undone
>from nippled skin as smooth as silk the bugles blown as one" Peter Gabriel
I have the same problem one time.  In my case it was a bad "lid swith".
(switch) I took my 800 apart and found that out.  I replaced the mother
board ($10) and everthing was fine.  I found tho I cound use the board I took
out by permanently closing the switch.  Hope your situtation is as simple.

Wild Wookie.
From: goldman@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Roy Goldman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Parallel Printer Interface Info
Date: 26 Dec 1992 20:14:40 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cork.cs.berkeley.edu

An acquaintance of mine is looking for a parallel printer interface,
since his Supra MPP1151 died.

Please E-mail me if you have one (Supra, ICD P:R: Connection, 850,
etc.) that you would be willing to sell, or if you know where some
used or new ones are available.

	Thank you!

Roy Goldman
goldman@cork.cs.berkeley.edu
From: winston@merk.com (Winston Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Kermit-65 source code
Keywords: as6502, kermit, archie, make
Date: 3 Jan 93 10:36:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: merk.C09xHJ.Cxr
Organization: Technology Partners, Inc.


Where did I get a 6502 cross-assembler?  This is supposed to be a secret?
 
 o  I noticed that the KERMIT-65 sources on the ATARI archive contained a
reference in its "make" file to "as6502".
 
 o  I performed an "archie" on the text string "as6502".
 
 o  ARCHIE told me that a file called "as6502" lived on the node:
"ftp.germany.eu.net" in the directory: "/pub/programming/languages".
 
 o  I did an FTP "get" of the file "/pub/programming/languages/as6502".
  
  
     I just more or less assumed that "as6502" is needed to assemble
KERMIT-65, since that is what is listed in the KERMIT-65 "make" file.
Perhaps the Sysop of the Atari Archive can incorporate it into the
archives, since people who downloaded KERMIT-65 will also be looking for
"as6502".  This way it would be file requestable via BART (provided that it
is releasable, and assuming it is the same "as6502" as is mentioned in the
"make" file).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: [--- Lunar Calendar ---]
Keywords: CAL, calendar, lunar
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 01:33:09 GMT


Interesting question.  I don't know of any such program for the 8-bit, but
a local WWIV BBS has a calendar program in the login screen.  I think the
sysop wrote it, it shows the date in several different systems including
Jewish, Moslem, and Mayan.  I could ask the sysop if he's willing to share
the source code.

Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com
From: Jim_Johnson@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Jim Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: 8" disk drives
Distribution: world
Date: 2 Jan 93 08:49:57 EST
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch


 BS> do you happen to know if the mio will run an 8" drive? 

The MIO doesn't have any direct support for drive mechanisms. However if
you can somehow come up with a generic SCSI controller for the drive, you
should be able to run it through the MIO's SCSI port. 

The bigger question (other than you probally already have an 8" drive) is
why you would *want* to use an 8" drive on your Atari? They are larger and
have less capacity than a 5.25 or 3.5 drive, not to mention harder to find
replacement parts for.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995

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from Calumet, Michigan, USA -the world's former copper mining capital, 
located on Lake Superior and home to America's newest National Park,
** The Keweenaw National Historic Park **
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.
Date: Monday, 21 Dec 1992 11:31:42 EST
From: Jeff McWilliams <JJMCWILL@MTUS5.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Wish List (was: comp.sys.atari.8bit.archive)
 <1992Dec19.072022.23342@cs.tu-berlin.de> <1h4l9uINN10f@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>

Yes, at one time way back when I had taken a look at LetterPerfect that
somebody in my user group had owned.  I had the Omniview 256, so for the
heck of it I modified a backup of his disk to use its 80 column driver.
With the extra RAM in the computer, I could set up a 90K ramdisk as
D2: before booting up LP, copy the Spellperfect disk to it with a
sector copy program, then do a cold boot to get into LP, do the keyboard
command to reactivate D2:, and presto! Instant Spell Checking!  Spell
Perfect was LOTS better than the spell checker for either turboword OR
Paperclip in my opinion.  The strange disk layout was the killer for me,
I needed to copy files to/from DOS disks, and LP couldn't do that
without dealing with some other odd programs. I agree, the things you
mentioned would make the program awesome.  I THINK the  LJK guy is still
around, last time I talked to Ben about it was a couple weeks ago.

Jeff McWilliams
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: winston@merk.com (Winston Smith)
Subject: Re: FORTH-83 for Atari 8-bit; anyone interested?
Keywords: FORTH, infix, postfix, parser, PASCAL
Organization: Technology Partners, Inc.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 05:22:01 GMT


Speaking of --POSTFIX-- versus --INFIX-- notation for the FORTH language...
if people didn't like dealing with --POSTFIX-- notation, then surely someone
must have written an expression parser that accepted INFIX notation?  It
would seem like a natural thing to do right from the start.  I mean... I
have seen examples written in PASCAL, and the PASCAL parser didn't really
need any tweaking.  While it is true that using an INFIX parser sort of
defeats the purpose of FORTH, i.e. saving on speed and space by conforming
to the machine's architecture, wouldn't it have helped FORTH gain wider
acceptance?  (Well, all right, maybe not a parser, but how about maybe
a --POSTFIX-- to --INFIX-- "translator" A LA the BASIC "tokenizer".)
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: bbs@neb (BBS System 801-572-4969)
Subject: Re: comp.sys.atari.8bit.archive
Organization: Nebula - Public Access Unix/bbs SLC Ut, USA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:00:41 GMT

I hope you didnt misunderstand what I was saying in regard to submitting
articles to AC.
 
I'm all in favor of ANYTHING for the 8bit, especially when it comes to
this particular area on the Internet. If we can get another news group
together, I'd be all for it, but the way it stands now - this one is
scarcely getting much use.
 
What I'D like to see is more 8bit coverage in the Fido and Isis
networks. (grin)
-----
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From: Rick_Michael_Cortese@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Kermit-65 source code
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 09:00:29 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

If you can run MS DOS programs on your UNIX box, TASM may be up to the
task. Stands for (T)able driven cross (AS)se(M)bler or something like that.
I've only used it once to check it out & it produced an exact dup of
a Big Mac ASM. I believe it's FTP'able from some IBM sigs.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: Need Action! help
From: potter@sunny0.DAB.GE.COM (Jeff Potter)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:30:00 GMT
Organization: General Electric SCSD, Daytona Beach FL

In article <switzer.724570388@honte>, switzer@zeta.uleth.ca (Dean Switzer) writes:
|> Speaking of action!, what ever happened to Russ Wetmore, action!'
|> author? He had a bbs in NY I think but it has been years since I called.

Russ Wetmore is alive and working for Apple I believe.  I don't remember
that he was involved with the Action! programming language.  He was, of
course, the author of Preppie!, Sea Dragon, and Homepak.  I see his father
from time to time...

----------- 
Jeff Potter
....potter@sunny0.dab.ge.com
....74030.2020@compuserve.com
From: Rick_Michael_Cortese@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: My ego VS UUE
Date: Sun,  3 Jan 93 11:02:53 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I have a clone sitting next to my 8-bit so I just null modem to the
clone ususally to do the translation & either tranfer from the clone or
move a 3.5" disk to the ST. If I use my 8-bit for the U/L I ususally
just load the files into a word processor & print to a disk file vs P:.
I don't know what your node's like, but Portal editor is page orientated
so the only way I can get files up from disk is Xmodem => the thing
has to already be converted to ASCII.
BTW: Could you try & decode the files? I'd like one more check before
I continue.
From: d1dol@dtek.chalmers.se (Fredrik Lundholm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: XEP80 again! (Cant perform light translation w. CR only).
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:38:42 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

Well now that I've printed awhile I thought, yeah wanna print some 
graphics aswell, turns out that XEP80 CANT do Light translation with CR only?
In XEP doc It tells you to enter AUX#1=0  & AUX#2=4 for light transl&CR, but
it turns out do do Heavy translation &CR, anyone experienced this aswell?
So when I try to print from Graphics Art Department it puts alot of ^R^ stuff.
When I load with original XEP-settings (0,0) it prints graphic, but with an 
empty line in between.. odd...

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~           D  D  O  O  L   - RECORDS         
d1dol@dtek.chalmers.se     DDD    OO   LLLL   
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From: Rick_Michael_Cortese@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
Subject: Re: * * Wanted: Alternate Reality * *
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 16:07:37 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Try American Techna-Vision, they have new copies for $12 of both The City
& The Dungeon for $12. 1-800-551-9995 or 415-353-3787
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: ab588@yfn.ysu.edu (joseph sabatino)
Subject: Re: Wish List (was: comp.sys.atari.8bit.archive)
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:40:16 GMT


OK Jeff, you said it about LJK 80 col. WP...I have an old 800 with
a Franklin 80 col board in it (broke now though) If the guy could
only modify to print to E: it would work on the XEP80 and the dos
...I had a program written by Chet Walters to go back and forth
between LJK dos and Atari dos--->and I'm not going back to atari
dos for anything<---If I could run it from sparta then I could 
put it on the hd. but you can't even see the dir. from any dos but
LJK....That would be a good thing to put on the wish list...I'd pay
the guy too.
-- 
Joe Sabatino-->ab588@yfn.ysu.edu