HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: SF Minor league pitchers
Date: 5 Sep 92 05:57:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Can anyone in Frisco area (or ANYONE with pertinent info not contained
in Baseball Weekly) tell me if SF plans to bring up any or all of the following:

1)  Rick Huismann
2)  Salomon Torres
3)  Kevin Rogers.

Thanx --

Jonny B.
From: bill@frog.CRDS.COM (snow)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: rotisserie:  free agents
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:23:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Charles River Data Systems

We have a rotisserie league that lets each time pick up 1 free agent
a week and it seems to work ok.  We play modified ultra (see the books
if you don't understand) with an 8 round draft after the auction.  We do
not get infinite free agent pick-ups because

    a.  the free agent tend to be bad
    b.  it costs $40 rotise, $8 real to pick up someone after the
	trading deadline.
    c.  if you get someone then you are last in line the next week if
	someone good comes over.

We also use Sunday noon for our transaction deadline so the time you call
to make a free agent pick-up is irrelevant.  (As long as it is before
the deadline.)

We encourage the transactions because that just makes the prize pool
larger
-- 

bill masek		charles river data systems, inc
(617) 275-4565 (h)	(508) 626-1122 (w)
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From: Jim Pink <James.K.Pinkelman.1@nd.edu>
Subject: Download Stats for Free ???
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6D3962F0002401E@jpinkelman.aero.nd.edu>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 9 Sep 92 11:53:19 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:42:25 GMT

Does anyone know of a way to download Major League Stats for free?
(i.e. not through Compuserve or some high-priced stat service)

Thanks in advance.

Jim
From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Ryan Award (was Re: Amazing Walk Total)
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:31:59 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In rec.sport.baseball, mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones) writes:

> Periodically, the topic of Ryan retiring comes up and someone always offers
> the opinion that they should name an award after him. This is my nomination
> for the Ryan Award: most (H+BB)/IP.

That would be an odd thing to do.  Even in the years when Ryan used to have
high BB totals, he always had extremely low H/IP ratios, didn't he?  And I
would suspect that the last few years, even his (H+BB)/IP would be better
(lower) than average, perhaps even among the leaders.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: dew6c@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Dallas E. Wrege)
Subject: Re: Amazing Walk Total
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:03:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.201619.18902@esd.dl.nec.com>, west@esd.dl.nec.com (Mike West) writes:
> From article <1992Sep9.182541.20103@news.iastate.edu>, by sckelm@iastate.edu (Steven C Kelm):
> > This is one of the most amazing things I've seen this year.
> > 
> > Randy Johnson   172 innings ..... 124 BB !!!
> > 
> > Good grief - is this close to some kind of record for a season?
> 

Well, I don't know the rest of his stats, but Nolan Ryan is the all-time
baseball leader in both strikeouts and walks, and has held the 
single-season record several times...

			- Dallas
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: dave@snitor.sni.ca (Dave Till)
Subject: Re: Stupid Injuries
Organization: Jays Fans Hoping For An End To The Even-Year Jinx
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:26:38 GMT

In article <14SEP92.15294649@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>I missed the original post, so I may be repeating some "favorite
>stupid injuries", but here goes:
>
>[...]

And who can forget Bill Lee, who once hurt himself when startled by a cat?
David Wells allegedly hurt himself while sleepwalking.  ("That's my story,
and I'm sticking to it..")

--Dave "bored with .sig files" Till
e-mail path:  dave@silver.sni.ca (or try dave@snitor.uucp
or dwtill@watyew.waterloo.edu)
From: JIMBO@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Ugliest Man in Baseball??
Date: 5 Sep 92 07:20:58 GMT
 <92245.134426ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
 <1992Sep1.221536.13661@menudo.uh.edu> <67482@hydra.gatech.EDU>
 <1887irINN1j9@hal.com> <1992Sep4.191900.3872@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>
 <1992Sep4.233206.26966@tss.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center


   Rich Gedman, he looks like Faye Vincent Jr.

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 James D. Craft <JIMBO@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
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From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: jays callups and thei
Date: 8 Sep 92 05:35:28 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <1992Sep7.834.44039@dosgate>, "mike walker" <mike.walker@canrem.com> writes:
> 
> Matchups are a funny business. At today's (Sun 10-06) game Cito pulled
> Eichhorn in a jam with Kent Hrbek coming up. Both Henke and Wells were
> warming, although Henke had started heating first and looked readier.
> It was a save situation, 8th inning. Since Hrbek bats left I expected
> Wells, the lefty, then Henke for the final out and the 9th. Cito went
> to Henke, who got Hrbek, the next out, and the save in the next
> inning. The point? When I looked up his stats, Hrbek hits *_BETTER_*
> off lefties (.265 vs .240). In addition, Hrbek was DHing because of a
> sore shoulder; would he not have more trouble getting around on a dead
> fastball pitcher like Henke than on a curveballer like Wells? It's
> easy to criticize the matchups, but these things don't happen in a
> vacuum. . . Mike

On the broadcast tonight, the TSN guys said that the reason Gaston
brought in Henke is that Wells wasn't warmed up yet.  Apparently
Cito wanted Wells.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: erics@sco.COM (eric smith)
Subject: Re: Huge Rangers/Athletics trade
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:38:44 GMT


randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:

>The A's weren't going to sign Canseco anyway.  Why keep him around for
>one more month?   They needed pitching, and they got it- plus
>a very good outfielder in Sierra.

Canseco has at least two, maybe three, years left on his current contract,
so it wasn't an issue of losing him at the end of the season. IMO the trade
is a good one for the A's, for this year. Beyond that, they have to sign
Sierra, otherwise it's a Canseco-for-Witt deal because Russell will be gone
for sure after this year. But think of it, if the A's felt they couldn't
afford both Canseco's $5.5 million/year plus paying McGwire a new contract,
how are they going to afford $5 or $6 million/year for Sierra plus whatever
McGwire will get? It looks to me like this is a trade to try to win it all
this season, then next year Sierra will be gone and the A's will start a
"youth movement". Don't be surprised to see Rickey Henderson traded about
this time next year.

-----
Eric Smith
erics@sco.com
erics@infoserv.com
CI$: 70262,3610

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: ataylor@agsm.ucla.edu (Al Taylor)
Subject: Re: The New Commissioner of Baseball
Date: 9 Sep 92 10:59:58 PDT

claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>In article <8SEP199216522362@scsuc.ctstateu.edu> aboufadel@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (ABOUFADEL,E) writes:
>>With the resignation of Fay Vincent, the owners of Major League Baseball have
>>the task of hiring a new commissioner.  If they can wait until the end of
>>January, then the following man would be an excellent choice:
>>
>>	George Herbert Walker Bush
>>
>>Bush for Commissioner!

>Unfortunately, there would be conflict of interest, since his son owns the
>Rangers. :-)

That never stopped him before-can you say "S&L Buyout".



al		ataylor@agsm.ucla.edu


P.S. Besides he would probably hire Quayle and then we would have to
spell it Baseballe.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: guest@holonet.net (HoloNet Guest Services)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:11:43 GMT

91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:

>Yes well...In my very first posting I had the same argument.  Get ready
>for some incredible sarcasm.  Some people on here do know what they are
>talking about but others only want to make sure that you think they know what
>they are talking about.  The trick is to sort them out...

You know, every time I wander into rsb from various (free) places I'm reminded
of why I don't attempt to find a permanent supply of the news.  What is the
point of crap like this?  I thought most of these troublemakers who try
to incite flame wars hang out in the talk and soc groups! Why baseball?
Sheesh!

Eric
From: JIMBO@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Magic Numbers Explanation...
Date: 13 Sep 92 01:01:51 GMT
 <1992Sep12.031014.24749@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>
 <1992Sep12.142138.27819@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> <l_8y_nk@rpi.edu>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <l_8y_nk@rpi.edu>, ananim@aix.rpi.edu (Mark Anania Jr.) says:
>
>In article <1992Sep12.142138.27819@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
>pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
>(Pablo A Iglesias) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep12.031014.24749@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>
>cs902060@ariel.yorku.ca (GEOFFREY E DIAS) writes:
>>>In article <5253@news.duke.edu> daniel@acpub.duke.edu (Daniel Crawford)
>writes:
>>>
>>>      The magic number is the sum of wins by the first place team
>>>and the losses of the second place team needed in order to clinch a division
>>>title. When the number reaches 0, the pennant race is over.
>>>
>>>      It's calculated as follows:
>>>
>>>      163 - (# losses of 2nd place) - (# wins 1st place)
>>>
>>
>>BTW, have you noticed that ESPN has been giving incorrect Magic numbers
>>in their baseball shows?  They seem to have replaced 163 with 162!
>>AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!
>>
>>--
>>Pablo
>
>
>      I have seen it calculated with 162 before, it just means when the
>    Magic Number gets to Zero the first place team has clinched a tie.
>
>-Mark....

The magic number indicates the point at which a team clinches the
divison, not a tie. So using 162 is incorrect. Why would clinching a
tie be magic. Another way of figuring the magic number is games left
in the season minus number of games the second place team is behind
plus one.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Lies, Damn Lies, & Statistics (was Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:13:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.231135.16962@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>Why is it that the people who purport to *least* believe in statistics
>are so ready to bet the bank on the least significant ones?  Roger,

Probably for the same reason the people who most decry the "mediots" are the
same who will spend the most time this winter defending the "mediots" MVP
selection.
 
>Making Ray Knight either a total idiot or the world's biggest liar...

Naw, he's just an annoucer, getting paid to do a job.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do.
From: dzappala@caldera.usc.edu (Daniel Zappala)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re:  How to get rid of Strawberry
Date: 8 Sep 1992 14:16:18 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dzappala@caldera.usc.edu (Daniel Zappala)
NNTP-Posting-Host: caldera.usc.edu


In article <9209050547.AA04921@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, C Robert Claydon <cclaydon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
|> 
|> stown@pyramid.COM (Scott Townsend) writes:
|> 
|> >2. The Dodgers will be building a young team. The youth movement has
|> > begun. Straw is not the right role model to have around for all
|> >of these younger players.
|> 
|> Hmmm, I was under the impression he had a pretty good attitude since he moved 
|> to Los Angeles--between being happier being in LA, enjoying playing for Lasorda
|> and becoming a Christian.  Sure, he got into a fight with Kal Daniels over 
|> Kal's work ethic, but he wouldn't be the first to either criticize Kal or get 
|> in a fight with him (most opinions I've heard in baseball put Kal as a first 
|> rate talent with no disire to work with it, and a first rate a** hole and the 
|> mouth to go with it).

Mark Whicker of the Orange County Register is a renowned member of the
anti-Eric Dickerson club.  He rates Kalvoski Daniels right up there with
him.
From: mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: <None>
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:37:52 PST

In article <1992Sep11.142854.1195@island.COM>, fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
  <previous discussion deleted>

> I thought you were talking about the "mediots". In any event, Cecil did not
> win the award, now did he? And you very vocally defended that choice. It
> would seem you're saying, if there's a disagreement between you and them, THEY
> are idiots, but if you agree, they again are idiots. YOU, however, remain a 
> reasonable observer under all circumstances.
> 
> In any event, as mentioned before, take it up with Bill James; he spends a 
> good deal of his Historical Abstract explaining WHY the MVP award works well
> overall. I'd have to say I mostly agree.
> 

  We must be on different wavelengths, mike, but I just don't get what you're
 trying to say.
  Suppose you have discussions with a coworker every day.  50% of the time, his
 opinions are irrelevant, obnoxious, trash (out in left field, so to speak) 
 and 50% of the time they are at least resonable.
  Now *I* might call this guy an idiot, and he's still an idiot regardless of
 his current position.

  How does this contradict the position that I "remain a resonable observer
 under all circumstances".

  Mark Pede
From: aardvark@locus.com (Warren Usui)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Stupid Injuries (was Re: Life  6.F)
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:21:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <1992Sep11.210528.21100@menudo.uh.edu> chee1l5@jetson.uh.edu (Sam Lane) writes:
>
>This was Bobby Ojeda.  The A's put  a no power tools clause in Todd Van Poppel's contract.
>

	I read somewhere that Will Clark's contract contains about 100 fairly
normal activities (gardening, skiing, tennis, basketball) that Will Clark
is not allowed to participate in.  Does anyone out there know the details?

-- 
Warren Usui
aardvark@locus.com
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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Cap Anson
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:33:14 GMT

Someone was talking about why different editions of a 
baseball encyc had different hit totals for Cap Anson.
In 1887, walks were counted as hits. This may well be
the cause of the discrepency.

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From: jfo@afterlife.ncsc.mil (John Ormonde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Bad Free-agent signings (was Re: Ripken's Season)
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:24:40 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <1992Sep14.040158.16467@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>In article <1911bhINNih1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bk713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimon Zachary) writes:
>>
>>Could Cal have abruptly slipped into mediocrity at age 32 (?is that right)?
>>I doubt it, but wouldn't that be just about the greatest contractural lemon
>>of all time?
>
>It'll be difficult to beat Mark Davis.  (I think he's still the
>biggest lemon ever, right?)
>
Maybe, the Indians have Keith Hernandez and Wayne Garland as their
contenders for the title.  

-- 
John Ormonde				Internet: jfo@afterlife.ncsc.mil
GO Tribe! (Well, SOMEbody has to root for them)!
From: g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com (Glenn R. Waugaman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:25:11 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Sep9.175945.15861@news2.cis.umn.edu>, thornley@micro.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley) writes...
> 
>6.  This *is* an argument that nobody else in baseball would have driven
>in more runs given Fielder's opportunities, unless you are also willing to
>throw in Fielder's durability.

Thanks for running that data, Dave.  This is exactly what I suspected
after seeing Fielder's numbers with men on base.  Comparing players based
solely on scoring position numbers is deceiving; it's not expected that
high-SLG players will necessarily fare the best in converting those
opportunities to runs.  But scoring-position opportunities constituted a
decided minority of Fielder's (and other big HR hitters) RBIs in 1990 and
1991. 

Again, it appears that the trend with Fielder continues this season.  And
I don't think you can say that the significance of Fielder's ROB (and 
therefore RBI) performance is mitigated by any claim that you're
arbitrarily looking for the best player in a particular category over a
small data sample-- rather, you're looking specifically at the RBI leader
for each of the past three seasons and trying to determine whether it
means anything (I think it does).  I don't think it's fair to say, as has
been proposed, that Fielder is not among the very few best "RBI men" in
the game (with an appropriate value placed on that distinction, I 
understand), or that he's barely one of its top 35 or 40 overall offensive
performers.  That's conjecture based on *expected performance* which
hasn't held up for three years running. 

---
Glenn Waugaman
Digital Equipment Corporation
Littleton, MA
g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com
---
From: chernesk@cs.umd.edu (Michael Chernesky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Ripken's Season
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:37:59 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <BuF8HD.7Hx@news.cso.uiuc.edu> hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks) writes:
[In his signature file]
>Cal Ripken   April-August   .249 BA  .355 SLG  .329 OBA
>Cal Ripken (1 Sep.- 9 Sep.) .152 BA  .182 SLG  .222 OBA

Does anyone have a breakdown of Cal Ripken's stats since around July 1.  I
have heard/read that they are so bad that they would make Mark Belanger
wince.

Mike Chernesky
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: RC/27 for 1Bs (with a new twist)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 01:31:22 GMT

According to Dave Grabiner (thanks), Bill James estimated the replacement
level at 1 RC/27 below the league average.  I am trying to estimate, then, the
value of a player at a certain position with an index.  This is how my index
works:

The "replacement level" (1 RC/27 below average) will be deducted from the
player's RC/27, and then it will be multiplied by (games started at position)/
(games played by the team) to estimate the value *at the position only*.  I
don't think this is perfect, but I don't want to spend 24 hours on this.
Comments are welcome.

NATIONAL LEAGUE			RC/27	"VALUE"
Fred McGriff, San Diego		8.91	4.21
John Kruk, Philadelphia		8.32	2.65
Will Clark, San Francisco	7.74	3.06
Mark Grace, Chicago		7.05	2.59
Sid Bream, Atlanta		5.88	0.98
Hal Morris, Cincinnati		5.87	1.01
Eddie Murray, New York		5.46	1.06
Jeff Bagwell, Houston		5.35	0.97
NL AVERAGE			5.34
Brian Hunter, Atlanta		5.18	0.30
Eric Karros, Los Angeles	4.90	0.48
Orlando Merced, Pittsburgh	4.75	0.22
Tim Wallach, Montreal		3.68	-0.30
Andres Galarraga, St. Louis	3.39	-0.56

AMERICAN LEAGUE
Frank Thomas, Chicago		10.59	5.71
Mark McGwire, Oakland		9.23	4.03
John Olerud, Toronto		7.63	2.34
Paul Sorrento, Cleveland	6.28	1.25
Randy Milligan, Baltimore	6.28	1.43
Kent Hrbek, Minnesota		5.81	0.95
Rafael Palmeiro, Texas		5.58	1.04
Don Mattingly, New York		5.52	0.86
AL AVERAGE			5.52
Cecil Fielder, Detroit		5.30	0.55
Tino Martinez, Seattle		5.05	0.26
Mo Vaughn, Boston		5.04	0.28
Wally Joyner, Kansas City	4.68	0.14
Pete O'Brien, Seattle		3.76	-0.30
Franklin Stubbs, Milwaukee	3.71	-0.34
Lee Stevens, California		3.38	-0.61	; yuck

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: AL Cy Young update (was Re: Clemens update please)
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:30:39 GMT


I'll start with W-L as usual, since voters don't seem to care about
much else.  McDowell streaked to reach 20 wins, then got a ND his last
time out.  He is now 20-7 with a 3.07 ERA, 156 Ks, and 11 CG.

Morris is pitching better, but he still isn't close to making any of
the leader boards except for W-L with his 19-5 record.

Brown has faded to a step behind McDowell, with a 19-9 record, a 3.27
ERA, 151 Ks, and 10 CG.

Clemens won a couple, then lost his last start.  He is 18-9 with four
starts remaining, has a 2.31 ERA, 198 Ks, and 10 CG.  He leads the
league in ERA (by 12 points over Guzman), K's (by 4 over Perez), and
shutouts (with five, two more than a crowd of pitchers).

Eckersley is up to 45 saves in the 143 games that the A's have played.
He will probably finish with between 49 and 51 saves.  He has two
blown saves, a 7-1 record, and a 1.91 ERA.  But given that four
pitchers are likely to pass 20 wins, and Thigpen had a 57 save season
just a couple years ago, I don't think Eckersley will win the Cy.

I'd vote for Clemens.  In all of his three no-decisions, he left the
game with the lead.  With reasonable bullpen support, he would have a
20-9 record.  With even *average* offensive support, he would have a
21-7 record or better.  (I don't believe SNWL has all of the bugs
worked out of it yet, or I would quote that number.)

(BTW, in his latest loss Clemens didn't pitch well, but he never had a
lead to surrender either.  So he has still only blown six leads all
year.)

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Make outs, not walks!					tedward@cs.cornell.edu
Clemens four Cy Young!
From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Vincent Resigns...
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:11:30 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

The local NBC affiliate just reported that Fay Vincent tendered his resignation
as Commissioner of Baseball effective immediately.  I'll leave details to the
bastards who get ESPN...PTTTHHHHH! on you...

-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) *  kbos@carina.unm.edu * Make outs, not walks!
Keeper of the R.S.BB FAQ, and Junior Stathead {tm} * OK, so I AM the AntiChrist.
Be kind...don't disillusion the RBI-lovers. * Net.Agent, "Doublin" David Rossing
Less widely published as Noel Steere; less likely to rampage than Gary Huckabay.
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