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*    I have read a lot of good things about Mobil 1 oil but several
*    things were unclear to me:
*
*    Is the oil the same used in cars or is it a special blend made
*    for motorcycles?

Same stuff.  I use Mobil 1 15W-50 

*    Where can one go to get it?

K-Mart seems to be cheapest.  Wallmart is probably cheap too.  
Any automotive store carries it.

*    And for those of you that have used it, did you encounter any
*    problem or even switched back to your old oil?

No problems.  Still using it in both my bikes.  The cage gets cheap stuff,
the truck gets recycled stuff or cheap stuff (80 miles/quart).

Frank Ball   1UR-M          frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com
Hewlett Packard   
1212 Valley House Drive     (707) 794-4168 work  (707) 538-3693 home
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999  KC6WUG Seca 750 XT350 IT175 DoD#7566 I'm the NRA.
From: meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: How do you get your way in traffic?
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:19:34 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group, Seattle


It was disgusting, but I had to drive my cage into work the other day
because it needed some work done.  As I was trying to merge in to a
lane, this "lady" cut me off ... I thought "shit this never happens
when I ride the bike".  But then it happened the next day, another
asshole (and 30 feet later I can get in the HOV lane, ha ha).  So
there's gotta be something I can do rather than just wimp out, without
getting killed or "tarnishing" our image.

	1) A bat came to mind, but I haven't figured out how to carry
	   it.

	2) I remember somebody put sheet metal screws in the sides of
	   their boot soles (Mike S. ?).  A good swipe may get them the
	   message. 

	3) A swift kick in the door.  But would that throw me off
	   balance and didn't a biker in the bay area get in a little
	   trouble when the car lost it into a telephone pole?

Seattle used to be a nice place to drive in, but its gotten mighty
competitive out there ...

-- 
Michael "Chuck" Bain                       meb4593@icdfs.ca.boeing.com  
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"I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but 
they've always worked for me."  -- Hunter S. Thompson
From: tavares@danville (Jack Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: My views of the RCR
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:39:32 GMT
Reply-To: tavares@ctron.com
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

jep@cs.duke.edu (Jonathan E. Polito) writes:
: 
: That's what you get for drinking milk with your chicken. If you had
: been a real biker and drank your whiskey with the chicken like the
: rest of us you would of been fine. The whiskey killed all the lively
: stuff in the chicken ... then add some hot sauce, and you've got a
: nice sterile piece of chicken....
: 
: Weren't you the one who didn't like the hot sauce too?
: 
: --
: Jonathan Polito                                      DoD #x (K 100)
: jep@cs.duke.edu                                  jpolito@encore.com 
:               "You Don't Say...." --- Sylvia Plath

Milk? What are u talking about!?

As for the "hot" sauce, it was most definetly lame!!!


Side Note: now, which one was jim small at the RCR?
What was he riding?


Jack Tavares    KotHO  
DoD# 0570	BMWMOA# 58278	AMA# 651191	BMWRA#  16087
83 R80ST	79 KZ LTD 400H (for sale) 
Sorry, but at DoD minimum speed it is impossible to speak. There is just 
too much wind noise.  At that speed I am spending all my concentration 
allowance on riding, and cannot afford anymore thought for words.
However, when I finish a ride and the bike is in the garage cooling down, 
the single word that comes to mind is:

    BEER.
From: mja@philabs.philips.com (Michael Amato)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Braking Distances (was Re: Scooters and a non-flame for RKOU)
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:18:46 GMT
Reply-To: mja@philabs.philips.com (Michael Amato)
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510
Originator: mja@hercules


In article <1992Aug19.161358.3709@rtsg.mot.com>, svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
|> In article <16r5ihINN1qj@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
|> |In article 92Aug18101314@fluent.UUCP, bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
|> |>
|> |>I have been reading conflicting reports lately - some say that bikes stop 
|> |>in less space than cars, some say that they stop in more space.  
|> |
|> |I believe if you consider the physics, they are approximately equal in
|> |terms of absolute minimum stopping distance.
|> 
|> Yes.  Cars can stop faster, even, under many conditions.  Esp w/antilock
|> that is so common these days.
|> 

Just FYI, this is not true for accomplished cagers. Stopping distances for
cages are shorter when ABS is not activated, ie. near the limit of 
tire adhesion. Once ABS is activated the braking duty cycle is reduced and 
stopping distances will increase. ABS only gives shorter stopping distances
when compared to lock-up distances or when manuvering on a less than optimal 
road surface is required during braking. If you want more  info go read 
rec.autos...

|> 
|> Dave Svoboda (rubis@gagme.chi.il.us)        | "I just can't take
|> 90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmmmm)             |  this weird shit
|> No ratbike at the moment.  Suggestions?     |  before breakfast!"
|> AMA 583905      DoD #0330    COG 939        |   -- Evo Woman
-- 
+-----------------------------------------------------------------+
| Michael Amato  DoD#0639 | "If pro is the opposite of con,       |
| mja@philabs.philips.com | then what is Congress"? - Will Rogers |
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From: karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Ceramic Vavle shims
Organization: Mindcraft, Inc.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:33:26 GMT

In article <geWvuUi00WBLI1hXRP@andrew.cmu.edu> "Carl D. Lovejoy"
<cl3d+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>    The idea of course is to never reach the failure point, which I do
>not think will be difficult.  As I said I am not too familiar with shim
>under bucket arrangement but I would imagine that the forces experienced
>by the shim is mainly compressive, which cermaics are very good at
>handling.

What happens when the bucket wears a little and rocks, or the
valve guide lets the valve wobble a little, and all the
force on the shim is concentrated in a small area?  And
a small amount of valve bounce due to overrevving or
misadjustment makes this a shock load rather than a
simple compressive load?

>The reason some steels are tougher then ceramics is because
>they can experience more strain and thus do get more area uder the curve
>even though many ceramics can attain a higher tensile or compressive
>strength then steel.  

This is a re-wording of the definition of toughness,
not an explanation of why steel is tougher.

>    Of course the big bugaboo between comparing a steel shim between a
>ceramic shim is that I do not know exactly what series or alloy of steel
>are they.  Does anyone know?

It probably doesn't matter all that much.  Start off by
considering that they're AISI 1040, through-hardened to
Rc 56.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@forel.stanford.edu
From: laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Honda Shadow 1100 emulates which Harley?
Date: 21 Aug 92 06:02:26 GMT
Organization: DFWM, Inc

In article <1992Aug20.151232.7136@cs.wayne.edu>, pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Patrick Haggood) writes:
> I've been to about three Honda dealers in the metro area and has drooled
> over the Honda Shadow 1100.  I hear that Honda modelled this moto after
> one of the Harleys.  Which one?  Someone mentioned the Shadow as
> 'Honda's softtail knockoff' but to me the Harley Softtail seems like a
> much different bike (taller, smaller displacement, different profile).
> What's the Shadow similar to?  The Shadow lists at $6,700.  What's the 
> Harley list at?

god, it's a virgin.

we don't see many like you in these parts, boy.

-- laurie
____________________________________________________________________
"Never underestimate the ability of a man to underestimate the abil-
ity of a woman."                                   --V.I. Warshawski

laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us                                   DoD #0023
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn)
Subject: Re: Throttle Sticks.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:13:22 GMT
Reply-To: Pooder@vnet.ibm.com, but I can't receive e-mail, so forget it. 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <1992Aug12.190238.12147@ncsu.edu>, jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:
|> I was riding a motorcycle

Any particular kind?
 
|> and noticed that, when I opened
|> the throttle all the way, it wanted to stick open.  Only
|> opening the throttle part way did not produce such a result.
 
Me - "It hurts when I do that!"  Doctor - "Don't do that."

|> I had not noticed this previously on the bike.  You could
|> say the bike has decided it likes to go fast but I'd like
|> to know what might be going wrong so I can check into it.
|> Any ideas/suggestions/etc.
|> (pertaining to this problem)  ??????

Problem?  Your motorcycle goes fast and that's a problem?

How many throttle cables does it have?  How many did it have before the 
problem started? 

Most likely a sticking throttle cable or carburetor linkage.  To isolate,
try opening the throttle at the carburetor and see if it sticks then.  If
it does and the cable is slack, clean the carburetor linkage.  If it only
sticks when you use the twist grip, it's probably the cable - replace it.
If you need to replace the cable, clean the carburetor linkage while you're
at it - your motorcycle will like you for it.  Use an automotive choke 
cleaner like Gumout.

If you don't have a carburetor on your motorcycle, you're on your own.

-- 

   Pooder  -  Rochester, MN     DoD# 0591 - LotN (Loser of the Number) 
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
  "What do *you* care what other people think?" -- Richard Feynman 
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
   I share garage space with:   Gretchen - '86 K75   Harvey - '72 CB500  
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Cleaning O ring chains
Keywords: whatever???
Date: 21 Aug 92 05:58:35 GMT
Reply-To: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.

In article <1992Aug20.122621.14716@rchland.ibm.com> essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) writes:
>anyone know if WD-40 is ok for cleaning O-ring chains?  a friend told me
>Motorcyclist (or maybe Cycle World?) recommended it...

	The o-rings are rubber, a petroleum-based product.  WD-40 is a
petroleum-based product.  The two are miscible.  The o-rings will soak up
WD-40 and swell (a bad thing).  They will also deteriorate slightly.  Very
bad plan.  Someone else here reported very good results using kerosene.  At
just over $1 per gallon, it's hard to go wrong there.

	Technical flames to /var/mail/behanna.  Other flames to /dev/null. :-)

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna		DoD# 114      1983 Harley-Davidson FXWG Wide Glide
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	              (I need another bike for this space!)

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
From: mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Timbuktu Jacket
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:48:07 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

Somewhere, Sometime, Thus Spake cl3d+@andrew.cmu.edu (Carl D. Lovejoy):
:- 
:-     I have a brand spankin' new Hien Gericke Timbuktu jacket for sale. 
:- It has only been worn once by a little old lady who rides a Low-Rider.
:-  [...]   
:-     I payed $280 for it but am willing to part with it for $230 obo.  


	WHAT!!! (sorry bob) ... NO RAFFLE??????????????


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From: spgo@is.morgan.com (Stefan Goellner)
Subject: Re: Harleys are OUT, Porches are IN!
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:26:27 GMT

In article <25603@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
|> > Forgery deleted
|> 
|> 	Seen in the last Independent Biker (Bike Rag from SF, distributed around CA),
|> in the small ads section: For Trade
|> For Trade a fully loaded Porsche (I don't remember, think it was a 911) for a
|> Harley.
|> 
|> 	If you don't believe me, check it out.
|> 
|> 	JNM

I'll believe it. Last time I checked a late 60's vintage 911 would go for
around $6000. You could get a Harley for that.

Stef

	     DoD#0190		              spgo@is.morgan.com
	'82 KZ550 (Commuter)		'84 750 Interceptor (Canyon Carver)
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Kevin
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:14:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Aug19.151439.19276
Distribution: rec
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <RKOU.92Aug16172205@skat.ucs> rkou@skat.ucs (Roger H. Kou) writes:
>If you recall, all I did was posting a question regarding Honda Helix/Elite.
>What Mr. Small did, IMHO, was overboard. But of course, _adults_ somehow

Lighten up, eh?

>have a different view of things. :-) I hope I will never be like you or
>Mary.

I don't think you need to worry.


Oh, about scooters:  compare the price of a new or used scooter
with a used motorcycle.  Chances are the money is similar - get an
old beater of a bike, and nobody will want to steal it, and for many
reasons, it may be safer than a scooter.  As someone else mentioned,
no matter how cheap the bike, don't skimp on the safety equipment.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
	So just where did George Bush get the idea that he gets to
			decide policy for the U.N.?
From: paulh@coos.dartmouth.edu (Paul Haban)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Triumphs...
Keywords: newbie questions
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:24:37 GMT
Distribution: World
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Hey all...
would anyone out ther be willing to discuss the different
makes and models of Triumphs?  Guess it is quite obvious
that I am indeed clueless...I have seen photos of looks
like a wishbone frame with a triumph engine...what model
is this bike?  

Here in B.F.E. it is difficult to find any info on such
things...
eMail is prefered as someone will probably complain about
clueless newbies sucking up bandwidth...

thanks
-paul
The.Incubus@dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: mjl8s@astsun.astro.Virginia.EDU (Mark Joseph Lesko)
Subject: Renting motorcycle in UK
Reply-To: mjl8s@astsun.astro.Virginia.EDU (Mark Joseph Lesko)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:28:20 GMT


I'm going to have about 2 weeks to kill in England while
staying with a friend near Bath.  I'm interested in renting 
a motorcycle for about a week and just touring around if the
weather is half-way decent.

Anybody have any experience with such a thing?

What's a fair price?

Any laws I should know about?

Thanks.

-Mark
From: carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: GPNDG: Thoughts
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:12:27 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

In article <1992Aug17.222045.10142@ncar.ucar.edu> jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu (John Sloan) writes:
>From article <1992Aug17.200511.23293@serval.net.wsu.edu>, by johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns):
>	:
>> I want to thank all who helped, including Jeff Earls, Carl Paukstis, and
>> my spy in Seattle.  Carl deserved special thanks.  His Spagthorpe St.
>> Bernard (I had never seen one before, a real treat for me--he even took
>
>I cannot believe that I've heard on the e-grapevine: that no one had
>the presence of mind to take a photograph of the St. Bernard for Bruce
>Tanner's digitized photo archives at cerritos.edu. Please tell me that

Well, I just got my photos back.  Unfortunately, when I was taking a
picture of the St. Bernard (emphasis on the FIRST syllable, y'know),
somebody seems to have driven a Plymouth Voyager in between the camera
and the Spagthorpe...

--
Carl Paukstis, RRR&RSG           | "Good men must not obey the laws too well"
 ISC-Bunker Ramo / Spokane, WA   |    -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
 Phone: +1 509 927-5439          |  
 Mail: carlp@frigg.isc-br.com    |  My employer accepts no responsibility...
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: andersen@me.udel.edu (Stephen Andersen)
Subject: Re: AMA Progressive Insurance Rip Off
Organization: Department of Mechanical Engineering/University of Delaware
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:42:23 GMT

In article <5672@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>   You personally may or may not be more likely to wrap the Duc around a 
>tree, *but* a Duc (in general) is more likely to get wrapped around a tree
>than an BMW.  At least that is what the insurance company thinks.

This is not true with my insurance company, as they don't even know what 
a Duc is!!!!  Due to this oversight on their part, I'm paying
$500/yr for full coverage with $250 ded coll/comp on my new Duc.
I'm a 23 year old (married, but they say it doesn't matter for a bike)
male with a clean record and MSF discount.  The insurance is with
Universal Underwriters.  They didn't know what a Ducati was, and they
also don't consider it a sport bike.  It could cost me 2 to 3 times
as much to insure a CBR600 or similar bike...

Steve


-- 
 Steve Andersen  DoD #0239                               andersen@me.udel.edu
 (302) 324-0888                                     andersen@zr1.ccm.udel.edu
 1992 Ducati 907 I.E.                                      1987 Yamaha SRX250
 "Life is simply a consequence of the complexities of carbon chemistry..."
From: gt1430a@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeff J McCoskey)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: USAA Insurance (was Re: AMA Progressive Insurance Rip-Off
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:52:57 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


	I've found USAA to be the best value on the market, but there is a 
catch.  If you need Umbrella coverage (for those of you with families
in have-lawyer-will-sue land), you first have to match coverage with 
your cages.  Typically, I have a higher deductable and lower limits on
the Vulcan.  When I switched to USAA, I had to bump my bike coverage
to be eligible for Umbrella.

	A minor annoyance, but one I couldn't whine too much about since
my previous insurer charged the same amount for far less coverage.  I didn't
save any money, but I got more coverage. :\.
-- 
Jeff J McCoskey        "Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book."
  DoD# 750A2			-The Armor God

Internet: gt1430a@prism.gatech.edu
From: iv7y@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Johann Oli Jonsson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: US WHOLESALE
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:01:07 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

I am just wondering if anyone out there has any exsperience with a 
mail order company called US WHOLESALE. I ordered some stuff from them
few weeks back. Now when I call them I just get an answering machine.
Maybe I'm getting paranoid, but I'm wondering if anyone out there 
has ordered stuff from them??
 
Oli
From: brian@zx11.Cactus.Org (Brian Murfin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Looking for license plate holder creator
Date: 22 Aug 92 23:56:20 GMT
Reply-To: brian@zx11.Cactus.Org (Brian Murfin)
Distribution: World
Organization: NOT


I'd like to locate the person who was in charge of the DoD license plate
holders a while back.  Please either contact me, or if anyone could mail
me his identity, I would be grateful.   BTW, these are the black plastic
things with yellow lettering, as depicted in the dod photo album from 
cerritos.edu.


--
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters
From: mjk@icf.hrb.com (Michael J. Kelley)
Date: 17 Aug 92 01:20:40 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

In article <DCAMPBEL.92Aug14170458@timshel.austin.ibm.com>, dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com (David L. Campbell) writes:
> In article <1992Aug14.153146.16745@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm) writes:
>>
>>
>>What would YOU do ?
> 

When the light turns green, pretend you're having trouble with the bike. Then
when the light turns yellow, go!! 
 
Also, Marbles leave nice designs on a windshield at 55. 

                                                              Mike Kelley
                                                              HRB Systems
                                                              St. College, Pa.

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Doing my part
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:53:26 GMT

to lower the SNR, that is.  :-)

In article <1992Aug13.174213.20189@megatek.uucp> megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net writes:
|In article <1992Aug13.002603.27267@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
||I would love to have this done on my Concours.  (It would be the first
||time since the 600 miler that she has seen a mechanic. :-)  I called
|                ^^^^^^^^^
|  Only 600 miles since the bike has seen a mechanic?  Ever thought of buying
|a Harley?  I'm pretty sure that they can go more than 600 miles without seeing
|a mechanic (although I *could* be wrong)...

Hey, Rand-meister, remember who yer talking to, ya pansy-assed, power
addled, "Gee, I think I'll take me a LONG ride to the Joust", red-
haired, Dunlop-sucking poser! 

(I won't bother defending my ride.  It's quite unnecessary.)

Harleys?  They are a special motorcycle, ridden by unique people.
Each and every Harley rider is unique.  Go to a rally, and look for 
all the unique people with their beanies, conches, and fringes, all 
being unique together.  Many of them spent a whole lot of money so 
they could all have that unique look, and be just like all of their
unique brothers.  It's a unique culture.

Oh, well, okay,  :-)

Dave Svoboda (rubis@gagme.chi.il.us)        | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmmmm)             |  this weird shit
No ratbike at the moment.  Suggestions?     |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905      DoD #0330    COG 939        |   -- Evo Woman

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Harleys are OUT, Porches are IN!
Reply-To: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 13:17:23 GMT


In a previous article, YuppieScum@Dollars.more.more.COM (Yuppie Scum) says:

>I cannot understand why any man with balls would ride a Harley
>Davidson motorcycle or any other motorcycle when the PORCHE
>is clearly the thing to have.  Dump those silly toys, little
>boys and get into the real thing.  PORCHES!!!!  Harleys,
>motorcycles, hah!  Whatdayagonna put your golf clubs in?
>

I'm no yuppie, but I'd rather have a PORSCHE, you know, a car, from
Stuttgart, Germany, than a redwood deck.  It accelerates more quickly,
and it's easier to take with you.
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------>DarkMan-------->
Case Western Reserve University,  Cleveland, Ohio            DoD #650
Anyone know where a mechanical engineer can get a job?
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