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From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: New Spin Out
Summary: Beastie Boys, KRS-One, Hip Hop Culture
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:42:35 GMT
Organization: UB


	Checking out the cover of the new Spin magazine (May), Beastie Boys is
on the cover - apparently someone thinks that their new album is their best 
work yet - guess we'll soon see.
	Then there's an article on KRS-One - says that after Ice Cube and 
X-Clan dissed him on record, he realized he was slippin' - so he had to come 
back hard. Seems like he was gettin' further away from the rap world with
the REM and H.E.A.L. projects. As far as I'm concerned "13 and Good" was
wack. But I'm sure the album had 'nuff beats! 
	Also an article on hip-hop culture - who's real and who's fake. Too 
bad Spin doesn't realize that they're spreading the culture and making it
weak. Discussion, not falmes, welcome.


 



-- 
Patrice Simon
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From: gumby@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Goodwin)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 09:03:29 GMT
Subject: Re: info wanted on DAS EFX
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: alt.rap



Word....

I WANT some info to, i've posted 'nuff times for it

Gumby

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From: fedde@Wien.docs.uu.se (Fedde Engler)
Newsgroups: alt.rap,alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc,rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Beastie Boys pull a Nirvana on their Pass the Mic CD-single
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:06:27 GMT
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden

bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald) writes:


>     WelL, our B-boys pulled another little CD trick on the Pass the Mic
>    CD-single.

>    First, here's the track listin:

>           1) Pass the Mic (album)
>           2) Dub the Mic
>           3) Drunken Prayin' Mantis Style
>           4) Pass the Mic (remix)
>           5) Netty's Girl

>   BTW, this single is a MUST.  Track #3 and #5 are just fuck-around tracks.

I got the single on vinyl and I agree on what you say about thracks 3 and 5.
But agree with me on one thing...Track 5 made you laugh!! :)

Fedde
From: ekundayo@athena.mit.edu (Enuma Ekundayo Ogunyemi)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: RE: Release dates.....other bulls
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:48:55 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

>This is some general shit I'd like some help with:
>
>Where can I get Nice and Smooth's first album ( you know, the EXCELLENT
>one from 89) on cd????????I've been looking for this for a long time cuz
>my tape is wearing out. 
> 
>Anyone heard of Awesome Two? I heard its Teddy Ted ( the pimp with the
>gangsta limp) and somebody else. It's at least a year old but I want it
>cuz the Ooh Child was so very correct as a dj AND rapper on Nice and
>Smooth's first album!
>
>ERIC Z.

The Nice and Smooth ALbum ( with Dope on a rope, No Delayin', Funky for you, No
bones in Ice cream, Early to rise  and other sungs that *RULED* NY in 89) was on
the now defunct Sleeping Bag label.  This means it is difficult to get. (I know
you're saying: SO watcha ayin?) However, Tower records and HMV(at least in Boston)
just got a couple of copies on CD so my guess is you can go to your local Tower
and if they don't have it tell them to special order it.  If you're lucky they
might even have the old 12" of Funky for you and Early to Rise.
	While you are there ask for the 1st EPMD album (Strictly Business) if you
are as stupid as me and didn't get it when it first came out.  It is on the same
label (Fresh/Sleeping Bag).  Just-Ice was also on it (The Desolate one).
For those of you that haven't heard of the 1st Nice and Smooth, it is stoopid 
Phat!  It didn't get much outside NY I guess because Sleeping Bag didn't have a
lot of intra-regional marketing pull.

	Awesome Two consists of Teddy Ted and Special K.  Teddy Ted helped Nice
and Smooth as a dj/producer before the advent of ST. Nick.  They also produced
Ed.O.G and da Bulldogs album.  I didn't know they had an album of their own.

Audi 5000.   GT!

Selector Dudublack, Jack!

"Me get hot this year we unnu fi do fi old me?" - DIrtsman
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: balbondj@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Stone Cold Gentleman)
Subject: Re: Top Ten
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:22:55 GMT

u0508aa@unx.ucc.okstate.edu (Jeffrey Fields) writes:

>I'm interested to hear what everyone's top ten rap records are.
>Here's mine:

>     10.  Run DMC       Run DMC
>      9.  ATCQ          The Low End Theory
>      8.  Run DMC       Raising Hell
>      7.  Public Enemy  Apocalypse '91...
>      6.  DHOH          Hypocrisy is the Greatest Luxury
>      5.  PE            Fear of a Black Planet
>      4.  Ice T         O.G.
>      3.  Paris         The Deivl Made Me Do It
>      2.  NWA           Straight OUTTA Compton
>      1.  PE            It Takes a Nation of Millions... 
                                     

>Just missing -
>     PE        Yo Bum Rush the Show
>     Beasties  Licensed to Ill  

>So what's everyone else think?

>JF

>-- 

>     - Jeffrey Fields
>     - u0508aa@unx.ucc.okstate.edu


      I have to agree that PE's Nation Of Millions is their best album if not 
      the best rap album of all time.

                           Peace 

                                   .db.
From: simon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Patrice A. Simon)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Random Musings
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:52:28 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Apr12.221835.4962@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (david j warner) writes:
>I've been trying to catch up on things this weekend, since there's a lot of
>stuff I haven't heard yet, so here goes...
>
>1.) Finally heard the Scenario Remix.  It's nothing like the original, but
>    neither was the "Saturdays" remix from De La.  They're both slammin'.
	
	True. 

>4.) I broke down and bought the UMC's LP after hearing "One To Grow On." I had
>    heard "Blue Cheese" before, and that got me goin' on these guys.  Haven't
>    listened to the whole thing yet, but I'll let you know when I do.

	UMC's brought their hype show to SU's Greek Freak last weekend...report
later.

>5.) Fu-Schnickens "La Schmoove" is the shit.

	Yep. Also check out "Bebo" and "Generals". Live show is weak though.
>
>6.) What's up with Das EFX?  The beats are hype, but those have to be some of
>    the dumbest rhymes I've heard in a while.  Maybe the LP on the whole is
>    better, but these guys have got to start making more sense to me.

	Fu-Schnickens soundalikes.
>
>7.) Could Nice & Smooth be more blatant in their sampling with "Sometimes I
>    Rhyme Quick"?  Is it really that easy to make a jam?
	
	Not a smaple, but a real guitar playing the riff. Check out the hype 
video.

>- David J. Warner            - "Maybe (Montross) plays better after he gets   
-- 
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From: jsuit@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (janice.r.s.suit)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: That culture thing there
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:22:40 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <ISBELL.92Apr7175414@pop-tarts.ai.mit.edu>, isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
> jwilson@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
> One thing tho, I was followin' you until you started talking about
> "folx".  Whatzat double H?  I
> |wish you people would write in a language that we could all unnestand
        ^^^^^^^^^^
YOU PEOPLE!!!!...it blazes me when ANYONE says that, so CHILL!!!

Anyway....I'm overjoyed that alt.rap is still around.   Where else
could we read such lively and in-depth commentary on the world
of rap music.  Also, it has put me in touch with some dope brothas and
sistas....special shout out to Mr. Isbell, DCAL, G-Battle, Chris Gray,
and Sista T- (where she at???)

I'm out...
************ ************ ************ ************ *****************
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AT&T Bell Laboratories       doing forget the small talk now it
Middletown, NJ 07748         time for me to ruin those who don't
email: att!mtketc1!janice1   believe in what I'm saying, when I
                             put up the wall of words ain't no
                             way into my Queendom." -- Queen Latifah
                            
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From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Subject: Beastie Boys pull a Nirvana on their Pass the Mic CD-single
Newsgroups: alt.rap,alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc,rec.music.industrial
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:49:06 GMT


     WelL, our B-boys pulled another little CD trick on the Pass the Mic
    CD-single.

    First, here's the track listin:

           1) Pass the Mic (album)
           2) Dub the Mic
           3) Drunken Prayin' Mantis Style
           4) Pass the Mic (remix)
           5) Netty's Girl

   BTW, this single is a MUST.  Track #3 and #5 are just fuck-around tracks.
    The LAST TRACK is listed as 3:37 or something like that on the back cover
   but the CD lists it as 5:37 (or something like that)

   There are two minutes of silence with the LAST 2 seconds saying
   "INSANE.....  HUH?.....  STUPID...." which sounds like a movie sample.

    They also include their 10 second "bootleg" McDonald's punk song from their
     WAY early days on the last few seconds of Track #1.

    The Beasties are re-recognizing their punk roots.  Their sound is a lot
   NOISIER and not as smooth-sounding as _Paul's_Boutique_.  Those who like
   Meat Beat Manifesto or Consolidated or DHOH or the likes will like this
   single A LOT!!!!!!

                                                              K!z!K

    YES, This WAS CROSSPOSTED to REC.MUSIC.INDUSTRIAL.....
  (For those of you who don't know, a small number of r.m.industrial
 subscribers are COMPLETE ANAL FUCKS when it comes to posted bands who DON'T
 HAPPEN to be friends with Al Jourgensen or Genesis P-Orridge)
   SO WHAT????   Listen to the track and reason WHY I CROSSPOSTED!

                                                      K!z!K
From: gamimoto@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gal Amimoto)
Subject: Black on Black Violence in rap
Organization: University of Hawaii
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:59:02 GMT



HHHey,

	I'm trying to get more info on Black on Black violence
	in America and I thought rap would be a great source.

	Pretty Please, does anyone know of a bunch of 
	rap tracks that I can listen to that can be "educational"
	FOR me on Black on Black violence...If you provide
	the artist name, I'd be sure to pick it up at the record store.
	
	I know there's a lot out there, it really doesnt even
	have to be specific on Black on Black violence, anything 
	suggestive of it is okay.

	By the way you can give your opinion on that matter
	and how it reflects on our shit-for-brains government if you want..

	Anyone know of any other newsgroups I can ask at?

	thanks a lot for your help, 

gamimoto@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
From: jwilson@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: FOR PHYZ, AND DCAL
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:27:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.045412.6083@wam.umd.edu>, mp@wam.umd.edu (Martha Elizabeth Phillips) writes:
> Hmm..interesting how "white posters comin' off as tryin' to be black" is 
> offensive to you...  Yet you seem to have no problem "offending" others
> on the flip side by "hobb-nobbin'" and "playing the GAME."
> 
> 
> Oh well...


**
Huh?  Did you say something?  I had a project in my ear and I couldn't hear ya.
WHAT?!?!?!?!?

==Phyz
From: tim@crash.canon.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Prince Akeem (was Re: Paris is out!)
Date: 16 Apr 92 08:17:38 GMT
Organization: Canon Research Centre Europe Ltd

d1dol@dtek.chalmers.se (Fredrik Lundholm) writes:
:
|Anyone discussed 'Prince Akeem' on the .net?
|Well he has a hell of a dope song out called 'Time to come correct'
|feat. Chuck D. Chuck also wrote some of the lyrics.
|If it would have been released as a Public Enemy track it would have
|been the best they made in a LONG while!
|The LP is called 'Comin down like Babylon', I don't know what to
|think about it yet.
Isn't Prince Akeem the official Nation of Islam `rapper' (whatever that
means). I caught a video of his on MTV about 6 months ago but it was
very much on the dance tip (4 to the floor typa beat) -- it left no
great impression. I forget the name...

Looked like he shared a wardrobe with Prof Griff.

Tx.
--
-- Tim [O'Donoghue] <tim@crash.canon.co.uk> <...!uunet!uknet!canon!tim>
From: tim@crash.canon.co.uk
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Beasties and Krush Groove
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:46:43 GMT
Organization: Canon Research Centre Europe Ltd

kinnema@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mark Kinney, Attorney at Chaos) writes:
|In article <1992Apr13.092235.2679@canon.co.uk>, tim@crash.canon.co.uk writes:
|> cscon105@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
|> |Plus in the film Krush Groove the Beasties actually perform 
|> |She's On It.
|> Well, the first 30 seconds of it...
|
|Where in the movie is this? I saw it a couple of years ago, and I *know* I
|don't remember it...

At the talent contest, where else. They were up before the Force MDs.
They didn't win.

Tx. [I *know* I remember it, so there]
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-- Tim [O'Donoghue] <tim@crash.canon.co.uk> <...!uunet!uknet!canon!tim>
From: bosman@fwi.uva.nl (Dr.D)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: That Misogyny Shit
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:00:25 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam

danec@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (dane chetkovich) writes:


> Blair Burns, Dartmouth College, class of 92 writes:

>> Clean up your speech and get right with your attitude towards
>> women.  Sisters deserve to be angry and they have a right to express
>> their opinions about a fucked up sexist society just as we blacks have
>> of this racist society...
> 
>and

>> What kind of sick liberalfascism is Columbia teaching
>> you people?  Or is it just you being a segregated, isolated little
>> jewish rich kid?                                            ^^^^^^
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                   

>i totally agree with your support of the struggle of women. but 
>then you go and post a hunk-o-shit racial slur.

>saying crap like this is not the way to change a "fucked up racist
>society".  

>dane c.

*MIGHT* it have been.....irony? To express his disgust with all that stuff?
dunno..maybe he'd wanna say himself.


-- 
|bosman@fwi.uva.nl_   //    |  Honest Officer , had I known my health       |
|-----------------\\ //AMIGA|  stood in jeopardy I would never had lit one. |
|   [  PE  ]       \//      |              -MAXIM (of the Hells Angels)-    |
|__________ Quickly Scotty,beam me up.There is no ox..y..ge...______________|
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: Jeff Whitmer <jwhitmer@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Body Count
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:35:02 -0500

In article <1992Apr16.032813.15028@Princeton.EDU> gvbattle@window.Princeton.EDU (Gregory V. Battle) writes:
>In article <BMp+Gz_@engin.umich.edu> jfine@engin.umich.edu (Sinister Stairs)  
>writes:
>>     I've given the entire CD a listen, and this is my personal opinion.  I
>> believe this album will most likely appeal to:  a) People looking for
>> interesting cross-over material.  b) Fans of both rap and metal.  c) *Very*
>> hardcore Ice-T fans.  c) Metal posers who want other people to think they are
>> bad-ass, hardcore players (frontin').
>
>OOOOUUUUUUUCCCCHHHHHH!!!!!
>This album sucked, sucks, and will suck for a long-time.   Ice T is NOT a  
>metal/grundge/acoutic instrument  producer.  The recording is TERRIBLE : no  
>bass, no dynamics (especially on the drums.....YUCK!).   And even IF it were  
>recorded correctly, the songs suck much penis.  The composition is sub-standard  
>for the genre, and the lack of talent/experience is glaringly apparent.  I  
>don't care who you are, if you're gonna be a metal band and can't write good  
>songs, at LEAST be loud and obnoxious.  Needless to say, they lose on both  
>counts.
>
>G-BAttle
>
>PS : Excuse my flame on Ice T.  I've been a profesional guitarist for a while  
>now, and can't stand to see wasted record contracts on LAME ASS SHIT such as  
>Body Count.

Well Gee Greg, how come we've all heard of Ice-T and we've never heard
of you? If you hate Body Count, say so, but don't hide behind some 
veil of "professionalism" to make us think your opinion is worth any
more than anyone elses. 
I think Body Count is great, you think they suck. Fine. End of discussion.
-- 
JEFFREY M. WHITMER - Graduate Student  | Oh let the sun beat down upon my face
Dept. of History/Philosophy of Science |     the stars to fill my dreams
INDIANA UNIVERSITY                     | I am a traveler of both time and space
jwhitmer@copper.ucs.indiana.edu        |       to be where I have been.
"IU speaks for IU and I speak for me"  |       "Kashmir" - LED ZEPPELIN
From: gvbattle@elgreco.Princeton.EDU (Gregory V. Battle)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Random Musings
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:02:20 GMT
Organization: Princeton University

In article <1992Apr12.221835.4962@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>  
dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (david j warner) writes:
> 6.) What's up with Das EFX?  The beats are hype, but those have to be some of
>     the dumbest rhymes I've heard in a while.  Maybe the LP on the whole is
>     better, but these guys have got to start making more sense to me.

NO, no, no, no, and NO.  DAS EFX is the shit!  I suggest that you listen to the
intense wordplay on that single again.   MAD brothers sweat that shit.  In
fact, everywhere I go, I hear someone repeating some of their bugged out
lyrics.  You see, they embody the very essense of rap, the love of language and
dialect in action, rather than the actual meaning.  Basically, they say fuck  
the abstract, gimmie that bugged out shit.


> 7.) Could Nice & Smooth be more blatant in their sampling with "Sometimes I
>     Rhyme Quick"?  Is it really that easy to make a jam?

No, no , no, no, no, and NO.  They had someone play it for them and sampled
them.  It is NOT the original Tracy Chapman "Fast Car" sample because I 
know for a fact that she won't let anyone sample her material.  I heard this  
from multiple sources in the industry.  But on the sneak tip, I already sampled
the shit for amusement only.
Peace....

G-BAttle
From: sample@ncsc.org (Mike Sample)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Who's sampling who, top ten
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:38:27 GMT
Reply-To: sample@ncsc.org (Mike Sample)
Organization: North Carolina Supercomputing Center

In article <1992Apr7.112035.1982@etek.chalmers.se>,
superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand) writes:
 >
 > In a attempt to bring back the discussion to music I'll post this
list. It's in
 >no way democratic. Just the records that turn on my table. Of course
there are 
 >some compromises because a good rap song could chart high even if the
sample comes from an old boring rock record and vice versa and it goes a
little something like this...
 >
 >1) ATCQ-Description of a fool      Roy Ayers-Running Away
 >2) Public Enemy-Bring the noise    Funkadelic-Get off your ass and jam
 >3) Arrested Development-Tennesse   Brand New Heavies-Sphynx(?)
 >4) UMC-One to grow on              James Brown-Funky President
 >5) Caveman-I'm ready               Jimi Hendrix Experience-Crosstown traffic
 >6) Cherno-The mood is write        Sly & The Family Stone-Sing a simple song
 >7) Stereo MC's-What's the word     BT Express-Do It('til you're satisfied)
 >8) Jungle Brothers-Straight out the jungle  Mandrill-Mango meat
 >9) Monie Love-Down to earth        Rick James-You & I
 >10)Definition of Saound-Moira James Cafe    Them-Gloria
 >
 >Questions or comments are welcome. I'm not to sure about the BNH
sample it could be from "Riders in the Sky".
 >                      -Palle Zetterstrand
 >
 >   "Writers treat me like Coltrane,insane"-PE 

Thanks for starting another thread....This is needed badly....

Peace..

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From: tl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Tami  Luhby)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Talkin' blak?
Keywords: talkin
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:33:45 GMT
Reply-To: tl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Tami  Luhby)
Followup-To: none
Distribution: usa
Organization: Columbia University


I have read the entire argumenet here with distaste and mild irritation.  Why have most anti-martha statements turned into "hoe-slappin" insults? Thats another problem though.

I am a white male (dont let the name fool ya) who grew up in NYC (north bronx) and went to a predominantly jewish/white/DAMN RICH private school.  The few black students we had were treated as outsiders, and more often, curiosities.  All the white girls who were into the black kids, treated them as museum pieces.  But I have been a rap fan since 6th grade, and even went back to the roots (I like parliament-funkadelic even more) but I cant say that I am "down" with black culture.  As Spike Lee said on the M






TV Racism Special "It's not enough to like black music.  After all, blacks have been entertainers for years."  Thats how I think alot of the students at my school viewed blacks.  If their maids weren't black, this is probably the first time they had black friends.  Therefore they chose to emulate those parts of black culture that they enjoyed.  It's incredibly comical to see 5 or 6 kids in baseball caps and started jackets with saggy jeans getting out of a jaguar.  Black music and culture has always been a






 new experience to white people, and they all have a desire to be integrated into it, even me.  I will not try to claim to be more "black" tjhan any white person, because it's ridiculous.

Jeez.  I just realized how off target the above went.  I guess you might find it interesting, but it doesnt talk about the arguement we had going.  Anyway. I think that it's impossible to review an album or talk about a show you went to without using the typical lingo, and therefore (according to Martha) being a steretype.  There's nothing wrong with using the lingo as long as you dont come off as an idiot and you dont know what you're talking about, which is not the case here.  I think many of the posts h






ere are the most intelligent on the whole net (check ISbell's most recent one). 

BTW, anyone mind if I capture some stuff from here and send it to the Source? It might be an interesting artticle about how hip-hop has changed (I dont think any kids in the park in the 70's thought rap would come to this).  Anybody know the legality of doing that? Thanks.

tl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap