HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Will the last reader in scg please run screen saver?
Date: 24 Aug 92 04:40:32 GMT

Attention USENET scg readers,

now that he's gone, scg is about as interesting as comp.vlsi. Since
for every action there's a reaction, let's take guesses as to when,
where, and how he'll appear again:

WHEN:

[ ]	within a week
[ ]	within a month
[ ]	within a year
[ ]	never, he finally stepped out of the house and smelled the roses

WHERE:

[ ]	Chicago (can't beat local calls)
[ ]	Detroit (history has a habit of repeating itself)
[ ]	EAST (anatolika re paidi mou)

HOW:

[ ]	Posting from work 
[ ]	Posting from work thru some one else's acccount
[ ]	From a public access Unix system, for pay
[ ]	From a public access Unix system, free
[ ]	From Freenet.Cleveland.Edu (what an Idea)
[ ]	He'll get a feed from work
[ ]	He'll use the internet fax-to-news-posting service
[ ]	He'll put his home computer on internet (25 grand a year,
	about the cost of an associate/assistant poster)
[ ]	He'll put his home computer on a UUNet feed (200/month,
	not bad actually (what another Idea))
[ ]	He'll enroll in Joliet Community College which has
	news access (usenet@joliet.edu)
[ ]	Other: ________________________ (be creative)

Well, folks, I am all ears. 

PS: please mail suggestions to my usual address. I'll post some of the
good ones (with permission of course) and wait till he's back. The
winner will win dinner for two at the King Tri* estate in Indy. 

Spiros 
in Tri* we Trust
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Rizos Sakellariou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: The Macedonian star
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:36:46 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.greek

naumoski@cs.ruu.nl (Goce Naumoski) writes:

>Why the star is used you couldn't find in the papers of the GPM, IMHO, but
>you should try to read some discussions and studies eg. from the Macedonian
>papers, about its choice. But the point is that the star is not UNIQUE. 

  [... ... ...]

>PS. Ancient Macedonians were no Greeks, but simply Macedonians. The Greeks
>    for almost 2500 years are trying to Helenize them and are using
>    different tools, but from the 20st years of the 19th century their
>    methods are becoming worse and worse. They have almost done it in
>    the Aegean Macedonia, and now in 1992 they are playing the last game,
>    the final game. But the last game is a little different, the strategy
>    is changed, there is enough Helenization, so let them be anything else.

Instead of presenting the dispute over Macedonia as a claim for a copyright, 
where the bad Greeks want to eliminate the last descendants of Alexander 
the Great, could you tell me which is the historical basis of your allegation
that there is a continuity between ancient Macedonians and today's people 
living around the region of Skopie? In history books, ancient Macedonians 
are presented as Greeks and furthermore all the inscriptions found from 
this period are written in ancient Greek using the Greek alphabet. 
Is this statement wrong or is anything else that I don't know?

--rizos

PS : Regarding your claims for copyrights, where did you see it? Do you
know how many Greek names or emblems are used throughout the world? In the
States there is a replica of Parthenon, in Edimburgh there is another one
left unfinished, don't insist on misleading arguments...
From: schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Check out this Bob. [was Re: Macedonia]
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:56:59 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu writes:

>>|of Hitler - you see: Croats are Catholics, Serbs are Orthodox, and Muslims
>>|are simply fanatics). I hope you see the pattern now. The Serbs are around
>>|40% of the population in Bosnia-Herzagovina and they control 80% of the wealth.
>>|Therefore, they have the right to decide whether to be independent or not.
>>|But No. The muslim X-Yugoslavians demand that they control over Serbian
>>|land and form a new state by force. And hear this: they are calling the
>>|Turks and other Muslim/Islamic countries (their "BROTHERS") to come help
>>|them impose their rule over Serbian land. Now, you figure it out.
>>
>>Sorry, I don't share your disgust for Moslems. This is a disgusting thing
>>to say, the Muslims are simply fanatics, let them have their faith. They
>>are the underdog here. So what if they call Turkey their brothers ?
>>Turkey will do more for them than Greece will ever do.

>I do not have any disgust towards Moslems or their religion. I am referring
>above to the X-Yugoslavian Moslems who have been fanatized against the Serbs.
>I do not think that the Serbs have oppressed them and they could very well
>have cooperated with them, considering that they are not the majority,
>therefore, they cannot decide alone about the future of the B.-H. republic.
>So, if they are not fanatics, then, why do they want create a Muslim-controlled
>state in X-Yugoslavia by force? And have you thought about who is fanatize them
>and what countries are supporting those Moslem leaders? Take a wild guess.

My impression is that the X-Yugoslavian(Bosnian) muslims tried to avoid this 
civil war as much as possible. If I remember correctly, their leaders did not
want the breakup of Yugoslavia because they were afraid would happen exactly
what happens now. When it happened they chose to secede from a Serbian 
dominated Yugoslavia. In a sense the secession was kind of enforced to Bosnia
by the european goverments in the recognition package of all the yugoslavian
republics. So, now thanks to the stupidity of all the leaders in yugoslavia
and europe maniac killers control the fate of the people in x-yugoslavia.
And when this happens you can always find a high enough cause to divide the
people.
			
						 Bye,
						Yannis.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:8299 eunet.politics:1174
From: schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,eunet.politics
Subject: Re: Check out this Bob. [was Re: Macedonia]
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:04:37 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:

>>The only piece of land that has been called Macedonia since
>>2,000+ B.C. is situated inside the Greek borders. Check out a good map
>>(historical if possible).

>This person is either grossly misinformed, or a big liar. A good
>place to start is Encyclopedia Italiana from around 1930. Under
>the article of Macedonia you find a map which delineates the modern
>geographical region of Macedonia. You will find that it includes
>virtually all of The Republic of Macedonia, and even a slice of
>present-day Kosovo. Curiously, not all of present-day Greek Macedonia
>is included. To get a understanding of that is not an occasional
>misinformation, you can check with the French "Le Grand Encyclopdie"
>from 1900, which gives no map, but a verbal description which is
>quite consistent with the Italian map. I also recommed trying
>The Times Atlas of History for the Roman province of Macedonia.

You really do enjoy crossing your sword in this game, Erland.

Just to note that the sentence:
'The only piece of land that has been called Macedonia since
2,000+ B.C. is situated inside the Greek borders.' is 100%
true. If you take the intersection of all the lands that were
named Macedonia since 2000 BC you will find that it is within
the Greek borders. Something to be expected, since in the first
days of the Macedonian kingdom Macedonia == Pieria.

>People are complaining about Macedonian propaganda, but unfortunately
>the Greek propaganda is not an inch better. Rather the opposite.

So don't be so touchy.

>>Greece is not supporting Servia and to
>>prove this it has prohibited the exportation of goods and petrol to ALL its
>>northern neighboring countries (Albania, X-Yugoslavia, Bulgaria) in order to

>Is this really true? Are exports to Bulgaria from Greece not permitted?
>As this person seems to nothingu what he is talking about, I assume
>this is completely false.

Actually, the first announcement of the greek government said about
exports to the northern borders. Later on, there was an explanation
that it inmcluded only the x-yugoslavian republics.


						 Bye,
						Yannis.
From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Erwtisi yia tis ellinikes fregates "Meco200".
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:52:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: yuma.Aug25.165238.20127
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <1992Aug25.012931.8709@latcs1.lat.oz.au>, jd@latcs1.lat.oz.au
(John Dimogotsis) writes:
>
>	Mias kai egine logos gia tis tourkikes fregates typou "Barbaross" prin
>ligo kairo sto 'scg', ithela na rwtisw an kaneis gnwrizei ti ginetai me tis
>ellinikes fregates tou idiou tipou?
>	Mehri persi ta sxedia to Ellinikou nautikou itan i apoktisi "4" pliwn
>(to '93 '95 '96 '97 simfona me to "Janes-warships"). Alla twra akousa tin 
>prothesi tis kibernisis na apoktisi "3" epipleon "Kontenear", afto ti na 
>simeni, nauagise i prospathia kataskeuis twn "Meco200"?

Sumfwva me to Jane's Fighting Ships (1992-93), arxise n vaupngnsn duo Meko
200. mia stn Germavia kai mia sto Skaramagka. Duo alles q' arxisouv va
vaupngouvtai argotera sto Skaramagka. To biblio pisteuei oti qa uparjouv
kaqusternseis stn vaupngnsn autwv sto Skaramagka giati to vaupngeio exei
oikovomika problnmata. (Tetoia problecn gia tn vaupngnsn pevte apobatikwv
stnv Eleusiva bgnke swstn afou apo persi eprepe va eixav paradoqei kai ta
pevte evw akoma tria paradoqnkav.)

Episns, to biblio ejefrase tn gvwmn oti av to Ollavdiko vautiko
afupnretnsei prowra tessereis fregates Kontenear opws sxediazei, tote n
Ellada qa zntnsei va agorasei toulaxisto tis duo.
--
Constantinos A. Caroutas

"It's easy to make mistakes when others will be held responsible."
From: nf@archers.cs (Nick Floros)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Erwtisi yia tis ellinikes fregates "Meco200".
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:42:32 GMT
Reply-To: nf@archers.cs
Organization: Sun Microsystems
From: kiffisia.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: PROTATHLHMA OLE !!!!
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:16:15 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

AEK THYMISOY , EIMASTE MAZI SOY !

AYTHN TH KYPIAKH  EXEI  MATS  METAXY  AEK KAI OSFP GIA TO SUPERCUP,
STO OLYMPIAKO STADIO.

OPOIOS MATHEI TA APOTELESMATA , ELPIZW NA TA KANEI POST ASAP !

AX PE AEKAPA , EPREPE NA EMENA KAI TON AUGOUSTO ELLADA !

STO STADIO THA GINEI THS POUTANAS !


KALOSTA TA PAIDAKIA , ME TA ROPALAKIA,
XWRIS TA ROPALAKIA , EISASTE MOYNAKIA !

PROTATHLHMA EMEIS, KAI KYPPELO EMEIS,
POYSTARA DIAFA, NA PAS NA GAMITHIS !!!

GAMIETAI O THRYLOS KI O PEIRAIAS !
 
EIMASTE APO TH PHILADELFIA, KAI GAMAME TOYMPA PEIRAIA,
AMA LAXEI KAI TH LEOFORO , KAI TOY BARDINOGIANNH TA PAIDIA !!!


AEK GATE 21 "THE ORIGINAL"
AEK GATE 11 "THE SKEPASTH"

THRYLE POY EINAI O LAOS SOY ?


AN YPARXOYN MERIKOI SOBAROI ELLHNES (FRESKOI) POY DEN EXOYN
XENEROSEI ME TA MAKEDONIKA KAI TOURKIKA THEMATA PARAKALOYNTAI NA
KANOYN KANA POST . THEMATA POY PROTEINW :


     TOUMPA :AS THN PAROYN OI BOYLGAROI, OUTWS SI ALLOS OTAN PAIZOYN
             ATHINAIKES (ELLHNIKES) OMADES PAIRNOYN PRIM EXWTERIKOY.

     ANTZELA : THA TRAGOUDISEI KAI FETOS STO DIOGENHS PALACE ?

     ANTYPAS : ENA ASTERI POY SYNEXIA ANEBAINEI .

     MYKONOS / YDRA / SANTORINH : COMMENTS FROM SUMMER 92 GAMISIA/YDILIA

XAIRETW

AEKARA !
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu
Subject: Re: Mutlu Kidnapped by UFO [Associated Press]
Originator: efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu
Organization: NU
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:18:25 GMT

In article <EDVAX.92Aug28111720@pyrite.usenet> edvax@pyrite.SOM.CWRU.edu (Weyland Yutani Ltd) writes:
>In article <9208272259.A5916jr@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
>
>	[Barf Barf Puke Yak Blech] deleted
>
>---------------
>
>[Associated Press] 
>HASAN "BUBBA" MUTLU, the infamous net.terrorist and worlds' foremost
>forger was kidnapped today by UFO Space Marines.  In a statement
>received from Chubakkka "Chewy" Kaqualtahhhhh, chief of the association
>"Aliens for Integrity on Usenet", he stated:
>
>	"Bushuda! Gawanga chuwanga Bunga Barf! Sheise! Mutha' homey
>swanga noh aquchathab die!"
>
>Which means in English:
>
>	"How long in the name of M33 do you expect us to listen to
>this dickhead?"
>
>The aliens demand a ransom of $100,000,000,000 from the Republic of
>Turkey or they will start pouring liquid oxygen into Mutlu's orifices.
>They also promised to launch his body to the FAR SIDE of the NEW
>SANCTUARY MOON, where he will orbit forever in infamy.
>
>
>Ankara has registered an official protest.  Usenet is delighted.  
>
>Stay tuned for further developments.

:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

You know guys, this M*tl* j*rk is certainly the best example of how
fanatized and extreme some Turks could get. The more he raves the less
he is taken seriously. And why not? He's full of crap anyway.

I personally wish he doesn't stop since he discredits himself and the
pathetic lies of the Turkish propaganda machine. What a j*rk indeed!

Max.
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From: vagelis@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Vagelis Vassiliadis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: soc.CULTURE.greek
Keywords: same as before.
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:52:48 GMT
Reply-To: vagelis@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Vagelis Vassiliadis)
Organization: Dept of AI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland


       GREEK POLITICS

  o Greece had only some 18 years of democracy in its 180 years of history.
    
  o Still this democracy is in danger. Many postings in this newsgroup 
    suggested that in Greece the vast majority of the 
    parliamentary parties agree that:
    
       1. The newly formed stated of "Macedonia" should not be recognised
          with this name.
       2. The treaty of Maastricht should be ratified.

    Such an agreement is an anomaly to a truly democratic state. Thanks to all
    the netters who point these out.

  o Also between 1989 and 1990 three (3!!!) general elections were held in 
    Greece. Many people may think now. But why? In such a totalitarian state
    what was the need for all these elections?

  o Here the monster uncovers its true face : In order to get rid of the 
    freedom fighter Muslim representative Sadik who became MP at the first
    of these three elections. Greeks arranged two more consecutive elections
    to throw him out of office. Why? Because he only insisted he was a Turk.
    
  o Greece is the new Bully of the Balkans.

  o When they have trade with Macedonia they do it in order to breach the 
    UN embargo of Serbia. When they don't export anything in Macedonia they 
    do it in order to punish the new Republic for using that name.
  
  o Greeks want to embrace the rest of Macedonia by shallowing the new 
    rebublic. They make all this fuss about the name in order to have a
    justification later : "Ok since you want to have this name lets "join" 
    our states". Very clever. International community should take care.


Vagelis Vassiliadis
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Subject: Re: Independent Slavo-Macedonia
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 11:01:35 GMT

Yannis Schoinas (schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu) writes:
>Can you give me a definition to the word greeks that would explain 
>why the vlachs or the slavophones are not greeks?

A reasonable definition that Macedonians and Vlachs are not Greeks
is that Greek is not their mother tongue. At least in my universe.

You better watch out folks. Sooner or later we will all be told
that you are Dutch/Americans/Americans/etc with a Greek conscience.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
F|rst till kvarn f}r f|rst vankiva
From: jd@latcs1.lat.oz.au (John Dimogotsis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Proswpiko minima pros Pepa/Kouko/Lemonida/Leo
Date: 31 Aug 92 00:37:04 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia


	Ean den elaves to E-mail mou pes mou kai tha vroume allo tropo 
	va epikinonisoume!
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Independent Slavo-Macedonia
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:23:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


Erland sez:

>A reasonable definition that Macedonians and Vlachs are not Greeks
>is that Greek is not their mother tongue. At least in my universe.

 Who said that Vlachs are (genetically) Greeks? No-one. Vlachs are Greek
Citizens and are being treated equally within Greece as such. Proof to
that is that the Vlachii are generally considered among the most
patriotic, and sometimes nationalistic, Greeks, that some of the leading
Vlachii families were also leaders in conservative Greek politics
(Averof-Tositsas for example), and that Vlach culture receives special
recognition in Greece (in the uniforms of the national guard for
example).

 Similarly I am an American citizen (3rd generation),
although I feel Greek to the core. Where is no problem being both. I
feel as strongly about American politics as I feel about Greek politics.

Michael

(P.S. I was informed that Evangellos Averof, whom I mentioned
in a previous posting ).
From: schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Barbaros (F244)
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:24:38 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey) writes:

>If you're upset at the names of Barbaros and Oruc Reis, because
>they were (or might have been) pirates, there's no problem. Piracy
>was an accepted occupation around that time. Laws of the seas etc
>came later. The Mediterranean was infested with all kinds of
>pirates.

And not only Mediterranean. Let's not forget Sir Frances Drake.

						Yannis.
From: efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu
Subject: Re: Check out this Bob. [was Re: Macedonia]
Originator: efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu
Organization: NU
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 01:23:05 GMT

Folks, sorry for this. Please kill it.

In article <1992Aug30.153354.21725@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
>Serfim Efrastiadis (efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu) writes:
>))This person is either grossly misinformed, or a big liar. A good
>))place to start is Encyclopedia Italiana from around 1930. Under
>))the article of Macedonia you find a map which delineates the modern
>))geographical region of Macedonia. You will find that it includes
>))virtually all of The Republic of Macedonia, and even a slice of
>))present-day Kosovo. Curiously, not all of present-day Greek Macedonia
>))is included. To get a understanding of that is not an occasional
>))misinformation, you can check with the French "Le Grand Encyclopdie"
>))from 1900, which gives no map, but a verbal description which is
>))quite consistent with the Italian map. I also recommed trying
>))The Times Atlas of History for the Roman province of Macedonia.
>>
>>The guy is dreaming. The sacred village of Dion for the Ancient Macedons
>>was located at the foot of mount Olympos.
>
>What the hell has ancient village to do with the 19th century
>notion of Maceodnia? Before you write me off as a dreamer, why
>don't you check the sources I gave you? Or you don't dare to
>see you propaganda be grinded into small pieces?

Listen man:

You quoted 30 of your lines and 2 of mine. So much of your IQ which is lower
than Skopjan grass.

Are you seeing nightmares lately, man? Like Serafim for example and you
cry out: "No, please, no, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!"

Cut the crap and learn how to discuss.

>-- 
>Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
>F|rst till kvarn f}r f|rst vankiva

Max Stratos.

P.S.1. Temporarily at this account.
P.S.2. This is cool! Each time I write to ya guys I get this:
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: REQUEST: Greek Gods
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:42:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.192221.5413@news.lrz-muenchen.de> dranidis@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Dimitris Dranidis) writes:
>Hello,
>
>Maybe with the whole discussion for Macedonia I'm far away from thema, but...
>
>We are giving our workstations names from the 12 Greek Gods of mythology. I  
>remember only 11 of them:
>
>Zeus, Hera, Athena, 
>Poseidon, Aphrodite, Hephaestus, 
>Ares, Apollo, Hermes, 
>Demeter, Artemis
>
>Can someone remind me the 12th?
>
>Dimitris
>
	I am not sure if I am right but because I find it a bit funny ...
	You can also call your machines ...
		Appolo
Sort of a trade mark though :-)


George

Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:8357 soc.culture.yugoslavia:8439
From: striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: A few observations and questions re: ex-yugoslavia
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:16:11 GMT
Reply-To: striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com

I saw the results of the vote for soc.culture.bosznia-hersegovina.
(Sp?).  Interesting to see the rosters of yes and no votes. Some of
the yes and no votes surprised me. Go thru the NO roster in particular
and a couple of well known pro-"Macedonian" names pop up. Oh well.

Has there been a call for vote for any of the other ex-Yugoslavian
republics? I.e. soc.culture.croatia, etc? Calls for discussion?

For the folks at soc.culture.yugoslavia, I wonder if anyone knows my
old college roommate of a few months from Sarajevo. His name is Mufid
Socolovich, and we studied together in Louisiana around 1982-1984.
After that he was working for Xerox in the Washington, DC area. If he
or anyone knowing him has an email address I'd appreciate hearing from
him.

And an Albanian joke. Back when the Albanians decided to reject Chairman
Mao's theories and 'revolt' against China, a top Mao aide informs the 
Chairman of the events. Chairman Mao in his typical style asks: 
"They are revolting, eh? How many of them are there?". The aide answers
"oh, about 300,000 of them, Comrade Chairman". And Mao responds:
"only 300,000? Which HOTEL are they staying in?"

Spiros
--
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                       c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com 
OUZO POWER                                      striantafyll@kosds1.gm.hac.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,eunet.politics