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From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Scorpions help
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:58:47 GMT

I really like the Scorpions but I don't have enough money to buy all their
albums so I decided to just get live / comps recordings. I was suggessted by
many people to get TOKYO TAPES so I will because I like the Uli Roth stuff
very much (I guess I should get LONESOME CROW and LOVEDRIVE to get the Michael
Schecker stuff, huh?) and so I wonder about the Matthias Jabs stuff because I
like all of his work with them except for CRAZY WORLD which I just find 
intolerable to listen to, so my question is should I get the WORLD WIDE LIVE
album to finish off my Scorpions collection (which is BEST OF SCORPIONS (1st
one) and SAVAGE AMUSEMENT)?

BTW, the guy wh did the new doom list (and if any of you could help expound on
this) - 

how about Witchfynde, Desolation Angels, and Angel Witch with Dave Tattum?
(of course first Angel Witch album and subsequent singles and EPs seem more
like more traditional heavy metal and their new stuff leans towards speed metal
kind of style - well, rather, new renditions of the first album).
As far as I know, discographies:
	Witchfynde - Give 'Em Hell
		     Spotlight...Stagefright
		     Lords Of Sin

	Desolation Angels - Desolation Angels
	
	Angel Witch - (only included Dave Tattum-sung titles)
		      Screamin' N' Bleedin'
		      Frontal Assault
		      
I guess since Angel Witch was reported to have influenced Candlemass greatly
(listening to Candlemass's live album I hear traces of Angel Witch's "Baphomet"
in songs like "Through The Infinitive Halls Of Death," etc. As I said above
the first album isn't really doom, but I've been listening a lot to the
SCREAMIN' album and songs like "Afraid Of The Dark," "Reawakening," "Screamin'
N' Bleedin'," "Waltz The Night," and "Evil Games" just sound a lot like doom.
"Straight From Hell" and "Frontal Assault," "She Don't Lie," likewise (from 
FRONTAL ASSAULT). What do you think?

SImilarly is Witchfynde. I guess they're like Witchfinder General in some ways,
and I believe they started a lot of the Satanic kind of thing in heavy metal,
or at least were a big jumpstarter for more serious occult lyrics (not like
Venom who made it a joke - not that I don't like Venom - they're among my 
favorite bands - but how Cronos could sing half their songs with a straight 
face, if he did, is beyond comprehension. If he didn't, see?). 
Also Desolation Angels, which sort of falls around there except this band
has two lead guitars, unlike Witchfinder General, Witchfynde, and Angel
Witch, who were singer / guitarist / bassist / drummer lineups. The DESOLATION
ANGELS LP is one of my current faves, actually, although the singer takes a 
bit of getting used to (I don't think he's as good as the singers from the
three bands I mentioned although he's pretty good. Not the best, though).

Comments welcome.

philip
Philip Wang
E-mail at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
"Though many a tortured night prevails thy Exorcisms shall but fail
While Crucifix doth burn my flesh I shall not yield to you unless I Die."
From: djs55750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the man )
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Peaceville vol. 4
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:05:50 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Saw Peaceville Vol. 4 at the local record store today, and was wondering how
much of it is actually good metal/thrash/death/doom, and how much was extra
filer techno-thrash that I thought I heard someone mention was on it.  It was
$9, worth it?  Thanks
-- 
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| "Before you see the light,  |  "Like chewing on glass, and walking on    | 
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|              - Slayer       |          to the look in your eye."         |
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From: rancid@leland.Stanford.EDU (Chanel Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Peaceville vol. 4
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 00:29:59 GMT

In article <BxxMps.5yx@news.cso.uiuc.edu> djs55750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the man ) writes:
>Saw Peaceville Vol. 4 at the local record store today, and was wondering how
>much of it is actually good metal/thrash/death/doom, and how much was extra
>filer techno-thrash that I thought I heard someone mention was on it.  It was
>$9, worth it?  Thanks
>-- 

As far as I'm concerned there's only one weak track--the one by Pentagram.
There's two industrial tracks and another track that is somewhere
between industrial and metal. There's a few tracks that incorporate
keyboards but not annoyingly (I think) like Nocturnus does. I think
it's a really solid sampler with a good bit of variety.

chanel

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From: donnell@starfish.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: The ORIGINAL Black Sabbath
Organization: none
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:14:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.210646.1397@ncsu.edu> jrcyrus@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ROBERT CYRUS) writes:
>
>
>
>>Any fans of the ORIGINAL Black Sabbath out there?
>
>
>Surely you jest....
>
>	I, too, have every Black Sabbath CD (at least all I know of), and I
>would have to say they are my favorite of all my pet metal bands(Megadeth, 
>Anthrax, Metallica, Iron Maiden, ...), which is QUITE a complement. I'm 
>not quite the fan, however, that my brother is. He probably will be buried 
>with a copy of 'Paranoid'. I must admit I am a tad jealous of you. Getting
> to see Black Sabbath for what might be the last time. Must have been 
>beautiful....
>                                                     -Bob

Count me in too. Got all the albums. Just saw the new Sabbath on 
Halloween , and they were great. But I would have killed to see the show
in L.A. Oh lord, please have allowed somebody to tape it!!!!!!
Pax
					--Judex--
I'm looking through a HOle In The Sky...

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From: cons008@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chuck Hazlett)
Subject: Re: "Death Metal"
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:09:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.213729.16118@Cadence.COM> jyoung@Cadence.COM (John Young) writes:
>>>If you insist on taking part in a debate, please understand the terms 
>>>involved...
>>
>>>Sepultura are thrash leaning towards both Hardcore and Death... definately NOT
>>>grindcore.
>>
>Bullshit,Sepultura is metallifag commercial shit metal.I read the
>earlier post by"the man"and he was a lot closer to thrash than this
>other idiot
>"the man"seems to like real grind(Entombed,Bolt Thrower,etc)like me,
>and not the homo-metal that everyone else in this group does.So I
>would suggest to him to try:
>like old Accused,The Unleashed,Benediction,Napalm Death,Autopsy,
>mabey even old Celtic Frost,Whiplash's first power&pain is a classic.
>GWAR,and as he mentioned Morbid Angel.
>and "the man"don't listen to f@gs like this guy,he's probably the
>kind who considers Godflesh deathmetal,and bands like meatallif@g and
>megaf@g real metal when it's commercial garbage.
>And what happened to maple and sauron????Why are there a bunch of weak
>sisters thinkin' they're metal when they're really a bunch of main-
>stream glam f@gs??????
>I'm suprised not to see a bunch of"Def Leppard is REAL metal"post's
>like there used to be.All summer you homo's had the group,But now
>THE POPE is back,and calling Maple,Sauron and any real men,to come
>forward and throw theses spandex clad,flip back your hair,wear a
>metallifuk shirt everyday,started seeing shows 2 years ago,look
>like a fem,think they're tough idiot's out of here into alt.lipstick.
>imahomo.spandex.metal
>	"don't listen to these fuck's "the man"go against
>	the jr.high laMeT.V. is cool mentality!!!!!!
>	      THE POPE HAS AND WILL RETURN to preach
>	      hetero-metal to all you girls!
>			YOU SUCK
>			THE POPE!!!
>	
>	a

Yay!  The Pope is back!  And the flames are flying!

-Chuck

ps. hetero-metal?
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From: lsh078@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Judge)
Subject: Re: symphony gristle mix%%%:::
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:04:33 GMT

In article <BxvyKz.EyH@news.cso.uiuc.edu> djs55750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the man ) writes:
>IBA100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> And lastly, what ius this gristle
>mix..just a remix of Symphony?  Is there a new Symphony single out, or is
>this the same one that came out before "Foreclosure"..

The remix is by Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails. It sounds more like NIN than
Megadeth.


-- 
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* The Judge                                  e-mail: lsh078@cck.cov.ac.uk*
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:56:13 EST
From: Sime <TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Where's Souron & Maple
 <1992Nov18.082041.20433@news.columbia.edu>

Don't despair, Suaron will be back and posting away next semester.
He's on a co-op right now and does not have net access.
I know you all can't wait for him to return.... >=)

the blind albino cave SIME
From: bcopelan@cs.strath.ac.uk (Barry Copeland TBS92)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Death Metal (or whatever) suggestions...
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:58:34 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

In article <1992Nov17.000210.12803@selway.umt.edu> sh666@selway.umt.edu (CRAZY NUTTY CRAZY) writes:
>This may sound strange to some of you DM heads out there.. but
>I kinda want to 'get in' to DM.  I'm not sure what is catogorized
>as true DM but maybe someone out there can make some suggestions.
>I am looking for something really _heavy_ with lots of crunch
>and good riffs.  I'm not all that into songs about dismembering
>little girls and satan, but if the music is good I guess I don't
>really mind.  I am mostly from a punk/hardcore background.  But
>some of my favorite bands are the Melvins, Sleep, etc.....
>If most DM bands out there sound like Diecide (I heard one of
>thier CDs once) then don't bother... I thought they sucked hard.
>But if anyone can make any good suggestions then many, many,
>many thanks in advance.....
>
>							Dave


It really depends on which Deicide you heard - was it "Deicide" or "Legion"???
As a "DM" head, I personally do not really appreciate "Deicide" but find that
"Legion" is one of the best straight DM albums about.

If the shitty production is to blame for your dislike, avoid ALL Scott Burns
produced albums - they almost all sound the same (except maybe Sepultura and
Obituary).

Coming from a Punk/Hardcore background, I personally find the likes of Napalm
Death "Scum" or "From Enslavement to Obliteration" to be closest to that sort
of area.

If you are after melodic DM try some Swedish stuff, for example Entombed or
Dismember. Both bands have a similar recorded sound and are excellent.
Alternatively, Pestilence "Testimony Of The Ancients" is very melodic.

In your following article you asked for slow, heavy stuff. Try...

Cathedral (very,very slow) - Forrest Of Equilibrium (this is a doom lp though)

Paradise Lost - Gothic
              - Shades Of God

Obituary  (fairly slow) - Cause of Death
                        - The End Complete

As I probably haven't helped you, you could try to find the Peaceville Volume 4
CD which is currently kicking about for around a fiver. It has over an hour of
stuff on it rangeing from Techno-thrash to fast death to slow death to doom.
Bands on it include Sonic Violence, Anathema , Paradise Lost, My Dying Bride, 
and The Gathering , among about a dozen others.

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From: cress@doc.ksu.ksu.edu (Garrett C Cress)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Quest. for Megadeth maniacs
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:47:59 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: doc.ksu.ksu.edu
Keywords: none


Hey there,

I need some advice on what are the best old Megadeth albums out there.
Any reply welcome posted or emailed.

					Thanks,
					the gmeister


Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: biswick@ms.uky.edu (Chad Hall)
Subject: Flashed in Cinci
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:34:02 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

At the end of the Megadeth (wich was misspelled on the marquis) concert
tonight in Cincinatti, there was a girl in the front couple of rows flashing
Dave as he came up to the edge of the stage. He went over to the rest of the
guys on the other side of the stage, pointed this chick out and asked her to do
it again with a couple of hand gestures. He then walked up to the mike, pointed
out to the audience and said something to the effect of "What about them? 
They're all my friends too..." So, she flashed us too...

Just thought I'd share with you so you know what you're missing.

biswick.
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From: amgaudra@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Alain M. Gaudrault)
Subject: Re: Slik Toxik
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:01:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.174042.5916@cunews.carleton.ca> cs401005@scs.carleton.ca (jeff brinskelle) writes:
>	Hey does anyone know when Slik Toxik are coming back to Ottawa?
>I saw them a couple months ago at Grand Central, they were awesome, played almost the entire album.
>
>Can't wait!


	At the risk of sounding condescending (and I realize some will flame
me for this), I must say that the whereabouts of Slik Toxik are of no GREAT
value to alt.rock-n-roll.metal.HEAVY!  Slik Toxik are just another Ugly Kid
Joe or Poison (sans makeup), only they're a Canuck version.  I just wish HEAVY
Canadian bands like Razor and Sacrifice got the respect they DESERVE in both
their own home country and the States.  Bands like Slik Toxik are a dime a
dozen, while brutal speed demons of the _caliber_ of Razor are hard to come by.
Anyone who's into material like Demolition Hammer will go bananas over Razor.
Check them out.  They have 7 albums, after all.

Dealing out the decibels of pain,
						Big Al the Devil's Pal!!

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From: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Subject: Re: In The Eyes Of Death
Originator: tphailey@c00031-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tphailey@eos.ncsu.edu (THOMAS PATRICK HAILEY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:23:44 GMT


>	I just picked up a 1991 Century Media release of: "In The Eyes Of Death"
>featuring the bands: UNLEASHED, ASPHYX, TIAMAT, MORGOTH, GRAVE and LOUDBLAST. 
>The sound qualtiy is very good and I am pleased with all the bands. As I only 
>got it about 15 minutes ago, I have not had time to listen to it in very much 
>"depth." It contains 15 songs and about 59 minutes of music. 
>I got it here in Maryland for about $11 on CD.
>It contains very good liner notes and goes into each band in detail. Has 
>anyone heard anything else from any of these bands. This is a debut release for
>at least a few of them according to the notes. Also can anyone recommend other
>similar death or thrash compilations on CD? Thanx...
>
>-=KHISANTH=-
>(khisanth@wam.umd.edu)

Anyone feel free to add anything to this, but this is what I know about the 
above mentioned bands:

Unleashed - 2 albums: "Where No Life Dwells" & "Shadows of the Deep"

Asphyx - at least one album, an ep, and a new album on the way. let's see, the
titles of the stuff I know are "The Rack" and "Crush the Cenotaph"

Tiamat - these guys were discussed on alt.thrah a while back. I think they 
have two albums out, but I don't know the names

Morgoth - They have and an album called "Cursed" which I think has two eps on 
it - I'm not sure so someone else will have to post about this. Is "Eternal
Fall" on it? I just don't recall right now.

Grave - Ahh, the reason I bought the comp. Probably my favorite Swedish
death metal band. Two albums - "Into the Grave" and "You'll Never See". I 
recommend "Into the Grave" to anyone. "You'll Never See" is pretty good, but
I think they should have never put the lyrics in there, they're really kind
of dumb. But the music is brutal.

Loudblast -  No idea about their vinyl output, but they are ok on the comp. 
so it might be worth looking around for some of their stuff. Anyone know
anything?

As for other comps, try "At Death's Door" mentioned earlier today. It's good.
And I would guess the Peacevile 4 is good, but I haven't heard it. There's 
a comp. called the Pathological compilation that I have. It's got 
unreleased tracks by Napalm Death, Godflesh, Carcass, and some other
non-grindcore bands. It's worth looking into. And finally, there's a new 
comp out called "Midnight Offerings" and it was compiled by King Fowley
of Deceased. I have yet to have a listen to it, but it looks really good
with mainly unsigned bands. If anyone has it, post a review.

TOMASS
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From: hawks@seq.uncwil.edu (David Hawks)
Subject: DRI, I didn't know they were still a band
Summary: DRI, Exodus, and Body Count Show
Keywords: DRI, Band
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:06:16 GMT

		Anyone have any info on what DRI is up to these days?  I didn't know
they were still a band but it looks like they will be coming here to 
Wilmington, NC, on Dec 12th.  Looks like it will be a great show with Ice T's
band Body Count and Exodus.  I don't like Body Count too much, sounds to 
rappy to me.  I am a big Exodus fan though and will definetly be looking
forward to the show.   There should be a great swirling, tornado pit!

-- Dave
   hawks@seq.uncwil.edu
   hawks_dw@wl.corning.com
.
From: karl@hsr.no (Karl Martin Lund)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: re: Megadeth/Suicidal
Date: 15 Nov 92 12:23:54 GMT
Organization: Rogaland University Centre

In article <911003b.5.721579747@ace.acadiau.ca>, 911003b@ace.acadiau.ca (JEFF BEAULIEU) writes:
> I'm not sure if I can remember all the names of ST.  But here goes
> 
> Mike Muir - Lead Vocals
> Rocky George - Lead Guitar
> Mike Clark - Rythem Guitar
> Drummer - R. J. something??

R. J. Herrera on all albums I've got except "The Art of Rebellion". On
this one, Josh Freese plays the drums, but he doesn't appear to be an
ordinary member of the band. (Additional musician.)

> Bass - Hell, they change bass players with every album!!

May be, but it was at least Robert Trujillo on "The Art of Rebellion". I
think he was in on "Lights, Camera, Revolution", too.
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From: s7280041@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s7280041)
Subject: Demolition Hammer
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:24:00 GMT

   Has any1 ever listened to this group before???  Talk about lyrics
that make no sense what so ever!  From the lyrics you would think these
guys were rocket scientists.

l8r,
wadda ya mean I couldn't be the president?
of the United States of America.
Tom
From: jmalconi@ics.com (John Malconian)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: EXOUDUS
Keywords: BLOOD
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:05:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Integrated Computer Solutions, Inc.

Recently on a business trip to London, I was upset that I could NOT for the life of me find a CD version of the thrash classic "BONDED BY BLOOD,"  By Exodus.  Help!!!!!!



                                           X (odus) MAN
From: donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: "Death Metal"
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:14:33 GMT
Organization: none

In article <BxtvvL.B9r@news.cso.uiuc.edu> djs55750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the man ) writes:
>bcopelan@cs.strath.ac.uk (Barry Copeland TBS92) writes:
>
>>In article <1e71nvINNrr9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman) writes:
>>If you insist on taking part in a debate, please understand the terms 
>>involved...
>
>>Sepultura are thrash leaning towards both Hardcore and Death... definately NOT
>>grindcore.
>
>
>Oh, man, now I am REALLY confused!  Ok, now for the slower people, what is
>grindcore, what is Hardcore and what is Death!  I just posted, but now I
>don't know where I stand.  HELP ME, I am drowning in a sea of classification
>and I have no life preserver...oh, yes i do, the music itself!  
>
>					just trying to get a basis for
>					discussion,
>
>						the man

Understand the terms involved. these used to be synonyms but over the
years, they have turned into seperate categories

Hardcore is the punk equivalent of Thrash, and is it's main precursor.
don't try to flame me for this one, I was there. 

Grindcore is a mix of Metal and punk influences with Industrial music.
<Real industrial music, not the swill that passes for it now.> 
Noisier and meaner generally than standard metal. Good examples would
be Carcass "Symphonies Of Sickness", GodFlesh, "Street Cleaner", and
the mroe recent output from Napalm Death.

Death Metal is what it says. The main lyrical emphasis has always seemed
to be on the evil side of things. Good examples would be Death, Venom,
Destruction, and the like. Mean, fast, but not usually really technical.
Try Sodom's "In The sign Of Evil" for a good introduction.
Hellhammer and Early Celtic Frost <pre Into the Pandemonium> are more good
examples. I just wish somebody would break away from the grunting growling
singer stereotype.

Hope this helps!
					--Judex--
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Left out Progressive
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:48:05 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin) writes:

>01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>} YOu seem to have forgotten one of the original prog.rock groups
>} RUSH...What about Yes?  C'mon...

>neither of these are metal....not even rush.

True.  Yes and Rush are, as M. Mccabe said, progressive rock.  They are,
incidentally, both among the _influences_ of groups such as Queensryche.
Sometimes it seems that the best definition of progressive metal is 
"metal that's influenced by progressive rock," as silly as it sounds.

-Shag

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