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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: BRUNDLE TO WILLIAMS!!!
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:56:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.145420.1@economics.adelaide.edu.au> ecrjbruce@economics.adelaide.edu.au writes:
>In our most reliable daily newspaper, "The Advertiser" it was reported today
>that Frank Williams has told Brundle that the whole deal is off, even after
>Brundle had accepted Williams' offer.  
>
>Any others hear  about this?
>
>Could it be a way for Mansell to be bought back from Team Haas by Williams?
>

Now, what I heard this morning is that Brundle ain't going to Williams
and Al Unser Jr's name is back in the limelight.  And, quoting Chris E's
column in NSSN, "And Al Unser, Jr. says there's "absolutely nothing" to
a Sunday broadcast report he's set Oct. 27th as the date of an
announcement regarding his 1993 plans, supposedly Formula 1.  "I have
nothing to announce," he told this newspaper."

Elsewhere in this issue is a picture of Al Jr. chatting with Ford head
man Michael Kranefuss at Nazareth with the caption "Unser has been
rumored to be leaving IndyCars to race Formula One, possibly with Ford's
Benetton team."

Well, silly season is far from being over folks.  It's been pretty wild
and is driving me craaaazy.  Now, if Al does in fact go F1, the old
domino effect in Indycars will be tremendous - who will take over his
seat at Galles.  Consider this in NSSN:  "The wildest rumor being batted
around the paddock area was that World of Outlaws sprint car champion
Steve Kinser was coming to Indy Car racing as a driver for Rick Galles.
Both Kinser's sprint car and one of Galles' Indy Cars are sponsored by
Valvoline and Kinser's brother-in-law, Owen Snyder, is crew chief on the
Galles entry driven by Al Unser, Jr.  But most are forgetting Kinser is
ending the first of his three-year World of Outlaws program with the
Kentucky-based oil company.  "There are a lot of possibilities.  Right
now we're just waiting on Little Al to pull the trigger," Mark Coughlin,
Valvoline's sports marketing manager, told National Speed Sport News.
"But there's not much validity to that rumor."  Coughlin did reveal they
plan to put Kinser on in one of Mark Martin's Valvoline Ford Thunderbird
stock cars for a test during the winter months."

And don't forget that Adrin Fernandez has signed on with Galles to do
some testing and maybe some races as well in '94.  By the way, he's been
carrying Amway du Mexico sponsorship this year.  On the other hand,
Amway is cutting back its level of participation in '93.  Actually, this
has allowed Dick Simon to go out and pick up some extra associate
sponsors for Scott Brayton's car for next year and Simon doesn't
necessarily have to have the entry dominated by Amway colors.  (oh - and
make that 'Adrian' Fernandez).  Super nice guy.

-cball-
From: ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Alan Jones (was Re: More Rumours from Portugal ...)
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:02:25 GMT
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia

In <pod.719118867@sour.sw.oz.au> pod@sour.sw.oz.au (Paul O'Donnell) writes:
>BTW, Ron Meatcham (head honcho of BMW Australia) is trying to
>convince CAMS to let BMW run current bodywork (E36) with the old
>mechanicals.  Obviously this makes sense from a marleting point of
>view.  I don't know what CAMS will do.  I was talking to Peter
>Doulman (privateer M3) about it and he seemed to think Ron had
>buckley's (translation: no chance).

If BMW want to run the E36 car next year, they should run it in the 2 litre
class - as they will have to do in 3 years time anyway.  These cars would
be (almost) the same as the ones run in the British TCC by Prodrive and VLM.

Ron Meatcham said he would like to have the 2 litre class changed to a 2.5
litre class anyway - obviously favouring BMW over all the other manufacturers.

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From: William.A.Hall.Jr.@dartmouth.edu (William A. Hall Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Top Five (US) drivers; forget the tracks ....
Date: 11 Oct 92 03:32:38 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

My (current) top five:

1. Bill Elliott. You just have to watch the way he drives a race car --
to see him actually drive live is a joy. Nobody is smoother, cleaner,
and more respected for his ability (and his attitude) in any other
series in the sport. He is an extremely bright driver as well-- despite
what his "aw, shucks" demeanor may seem to indicate. I just wonder
sometimes what would of happened if HE was in Childress' cars all of
these years. (And who knows -- with JJ, he might finally get the
chance.)

2. Al Unser Jr. Thought some claim his ability is genetic, he may have
surpassed his father in talent. Wins on all kinds of tracks, and though
he hasn't been at this for decades, he seems to have an innate ability
to make the tough calls in the drivers' seat.

3. Steve Kinser. Nobody can, or ever will, drive an Outlaw like him.
Superb.

4. Dale Earnhardt. Knows just how much of his equipment he can use to
take the win. 5-time champ -- that says it all. Why is he only #4, you
say? Considering the sorry state of RCR this year, I wonder how much of
Dale's success was related to the car and not the driver. Still -- some
of it must have been the driver.

5. Ernie Irvan. Huh, you ask? The guy that causes all the wrecks? Yeah,
him. Take another look at the way he drives. His only problem -- he
abuses the car a BIT too much at times. Future star.

Other contenders: Rahal, Andretti (M.), Allison (D.), Waltrip (D.),
Trickle, Jeff Gordon (another rising star???)

The 5 worst drivers (don't flame me!)

5. Sterling Marlin (whine, whine!!!)
4. Arie Lyendeyk (sp?)
3. Paul Tracy (prodigy? -- NOT!)
2. Michael Waltrip
1. Lake Speed
 
Ironic how Junior Johnson has the best and 5th 5 best (US) driversworst
drivers on my list. Can he pick drivers or not? On the one hand, you
have Elliott and DW. On the other hand, you have Labonte and Marlin.
(Bodine is somewhere in the middle. 8)

Regards,
Bill
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: dave@monitor.larc.nasa.gov (Dave A. Hinde)
Subject: Re: Motorsports vs. Traditional Sports
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:02:08 GMT

In article <Bw2L29.7qJ@fang.att.com>, agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92)) writes:
|> C-ball:
|> 
|> I think it's a GREAT idea.  I remember some articles back in the 60's or 
|> 70's appearing in Road & Track. They had attendance and viewing figures by sport
|> and by type of racing.  The combined attendance/viewing numbers showed
|> that Autoracing was the number 1 sport on the planet.  R&T speculated as
|> to why so little attention was being paid to the sport by other than the
|> specialized press.

Part of the problem with TV coverage has to be the expense.  It has to be more 
expensive to cover a 1, or more, mile race track, than a 100 yard football field.
Football is also better suited to commercials, with all the time outs, etc.

I'd also like to see the injury statistics.  What sport has the most injuries?

|> -- 
|> Grayson Walker                                           CHC, Maitland, Florida 
|> Forza!                                            Internet: agwiii@fang.att.com
|> Voice: 407 660 7949               ". . . big brown river . . ." Tuli Kupferberg


                                      ___/,@___  Dave Hinde, Last Minute Racing
                                     /_o_____o_| dave@monitor.larc.nasa.gov
From: b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Rahal's '93 Chasis (was Re: New Galmer at Nazareth. Why?)
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:50:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: utarlg.7OCT199213502421
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
>Richard Caldwell says:
> 
>>(Jay C. Smith):
>>> (George M. Smiley) writes:
>>>>On a related note, how good is the Truesports chassis ? Rahal seemed
>>>>to think it worth risking next years title hopes (he has to be the
>>>>favorite with Andretti gone) on.
>>>
>>> Will Rahal be using a Truesports chassis?  I thought the future of that was
>>> still very much up in the air, especially for '93.
> 
>>Same question here.  Did I miss something?  Last I heard, Rahal would
>>be taking over the Truesports facility but there was no mention at all
>>of him taking over the Truesports chasis.  In fact, I got the distinct
>>impression that effort was effectively dead at the end of this season.
>
>I heard on ESPN coverage of the last indycar race that Rahal likes the
>chassis, so much that he will use it next year. Apparently he has hired
>the cars designer. I think the car is to be powered by a chevy C.
> 
>>Will Rahal be picking up this development effort?
>
>I think if he wins the championship he probably won't have a problem
>with funding.
> 
>Jonathan Swaby

Yes, the car will be powered by a Chevy C, but, as things are shaping up,
so will everyone else with money or lack of connections with Ford.

Even if he looses he will still have plenty of money from the three years
left on his guarenteed sponsorship contract with MGD.

On the business side of things, has anyone noticed how quickly Rahal has
become a major player amonst the owners. First he bought out Patrick Racing
and now he buys out Truesports. These purchases rank him up there with
Penske and Haas in the bigshot owner department. He has obviously
been saving his pennies. 

George
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Lyn St. James
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:42:34 GMT

Spoke a few minutes last night with Lyn St. James, who was
in town over the weekend.

She had nothing to announce about her status for '93.  Perhaps
something can be announced in November.  She sounded optimistic.

-cball-
From: pedersen@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (Richard Pedersen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Formula SAE
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:06:31 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos.sport
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center

In article <1992Oct14.203805.26149@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>,
unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks) wrote:

> and a lot of them per team!  Seems motorcycle engines aren't designed for
> the large lateral accelerations (> 1.1 G's) and tend to starve the bearings
> of oil, POOF!  Quite a fun competition.

That oiling problem gets very expensive.  We starved one of the crank
bearings and since you can't get undersize bearings for most mortorcycle
engines, you throw the crank away and start over.  
> 
> I was under the impression that the SCCA, one of the event sponsors, has a 
> class that these cars can race in.  Any truth to this?
> 
Most Formula SAE cars don't meet the minimum weight requirement of 750 lbs.
for SCCA Solo II.  Most places will let you run in A Mod.  We usually set
LTOD in our car.  Insane amounts of fun.  

> Rob U
> --

Richard Pedersen
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu (Greg Rickes)
Subject: Personal to Marty Rowe
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 13:08:03 EDT

Received your request for the Lime Rock BGN-N recap,
but my attempt to send has bombed several times
for a bad address: I have MAROWE at YSW514, but
my system doesn't like it.
From: rons@soul.tv.tek.com (Ron Selberg)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: What do you think of . . .
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:52:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: tvnews.1992Oct12.195255.9551
Organization: Tektronix TV Products

What is it with you guys! I've never heard more pissing and moaning about
auto sports commentators in my life. Why don't you bother to look back when
we were lucky to even get ANY racing on TV!!! 
I think Beekus does an excellent job. He knows what he is talking about because
he is a racer. Maybe he simply talks over your heads.
Ever hear the phrase, "if you don't have anything good to say about someone,
don't say anything at all!"
I say quit bitching and be glad we have the motorsports coverage we do.
And if you yhink you can do a better job, call the networks and offer your
services!!!
 
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From: boubez@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu (Toufic Boubez)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Update: Tires - Slick vs. Treaded
Date: 11 Oct 92 15:15:16 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos.sport
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

gene@wucs1.wustl.edu (_Floor_) writes:

>There are two things that keep a car from
>getting infinite fuel mileage on a flat road: tire friction and air friction.

Well, actually, not to be picky, but there's also mechanical losses to
friction in the drivetrain :-)

> Gene Van Buren, Kzoo Crew(Floor), Washington U. in St. Lou - #1 in Volleyball

toufic
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: wcarroll@encore.com (William Carroll)
Subject: Re: F1 Drivers
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:31:47 GMT

b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley) writes:
> 
>On a related side note, check out the announcers of Sportscenter after a
>race and find out what the US press at large thinks about F1. It's always
>funny to hear Dan Patrick pronounce Mansell as two distinct words,
>i.e. Man + cell. I don't think I've ever heard them get any F1 drivers
>name right. 

Better yet, listen to your local sports anchor try to pronounce Ayrton
Senna or Alain Prost.


William R. Carroll (Encore Computer, Ft. Lauderdale FL) wcarroll@encore.com

"We trained hard,  but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form
up into teams, we would be reorganized.  I was to learn later in life that
we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing;  and a wonderful method
it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion,
inefficiency, and demoralization."	-Petronius Arbiter, 210 BC
From: squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: %Brakes - technology - F1
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:11:24 GMT
Organization: BT Glasgow Systems and Software Engineering Centre, Scotland.


-- 
As Gordon Murray (of McLaren F1 Fame) pointed out in an interview ,just after 
release of the F1 Road car ,the reason road cars don't have Carbon brakes is that
they need EXTREMELY high tempretures to work AT ALL ...so you could never have
the ones in use on race cars now on the road ,which is why the F1 Road car ,even
though it is at the cutting edge of technology ,it has iron brakes .....

Also ,to correct someone's point : carbon fibre brakes do not just provide the
same stopping power for a lighter weight than steel ,but they dramatically
improve stopping power for any weight ....

What's next for carbon fibre ?
At a recent FISA meeting ,they tried to outlaw carbon fibre wheel rims ,and
guess who nearly had a fit ,and veto'd it ? Williams !!!
So this probably means another procession of a championship again next year....

Stephen Quigg
squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk 
British Telecom , GSSEC , Glasgow
(Nothing in any of my mail represents my Employer in any way)
From: MJackson.Wbst147@XEROX.COM (Mark Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Rules update
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:21:04 GMT
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

In article 15OCT199219475738@utarlg.uta.edu, b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu
(George M. Smiley) writes:

> Please don't send me mail over something as trivial as pragmatic
> sentences formed late at night, my mail file is too large as it is.

I post using a mail service because the connections to my NNTP host do
not reliably propagate r.a.s outbound.  When responding to a post I
copy the original author as a courtesy, which in your case is a bug
rather than a feature.

> >> IndyCars have been granted permission to
> >> run at most 6 races outside U.S/Canada but
> >> they all must be ovals. 

> I'll agree that it was an ill-formed sentence.

"Agree" is not the right word, my point was that the sentence in
question is *wrong*.  What FISA has done may be nonsense or not but it
is cartainly interesting, and the extent to which it may have been
negotiated with IndyCar is *very* interesting.  Misleading information
about whether the FISA action would admit or bar the existing event at
Surfers Paradise does not help to further the discussion; there is
enough net.noise as it is.

(Since you chose to mention it, however, the sentence is indeed also
ill-formed, in that a race can be held on, but cannot actually *be*, an
oval.)

Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>

     Sloppy thinking gets worse over time
				- Jenny Holzer


Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: crisar@rulcvx.LeidenUniv.nl (Anton van Rosmalen)
Subject: Williams and Brundle
Organization: CRI, institute for telecommunication and computerservices.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 13:20:19 GMT

Todays TIME contained an article on the second Williams driver
and an small interview with Brundle, Brundle said he had been informed
by Williams that he had been dropped as potential second driver , he also
said to be very disappointed.
The article concluded that Williams was still negotiating with Hakinen but
that Lotus was demanding +/- 6 million , Damon Hill was also still in the 
running.....
A
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Brundle (Was: Senna test drive Williams)
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:57:07 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

I wrote:

>>STOP PRESS !!!!
>>Brundle DEFINATELY not driving a Williams next year(Frank Williams words..)
>
>What's your source?  Has anyone else read this anywhere?

I always get pissed at people who follow up a post without reading further
articles that answer their question.  Will, I guess I just did that.  Sorry
folks.

Dan Jones
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From: squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Tires : Slicks vs. Treaded: Help Please
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:19:30 GMT
Organization: BT Glasgow Systems and Software Engineering Centre, Scotland.


-- 
Alex writes :
>..having racing slicks on a car in the rain would be suicide.....

Just watch Jean Alesi go !
Earlier this season , he was lapping as fast as Mansell (treads/traction
control), only he was on slicks !
What a hero...

Stephen Quigg
squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk 
British Telecom , GSSEC , Glasgow
(Nothing in any of my mail represents my Employer in any way)
From: mkingman@zdi.ziff.com (Matt Kingman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Engine oil in gearbox (was synthetics)
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:45:19 GMT
Organization: Ziff Desktop Information
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12X-XXDate: Thu, 15 Oct 92 13:47:42 GMTLines: 18

In article <1992Oct12.053300.16972@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Andrew BW Colfelt,
colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU writes:
>DO NOT, under any circumstances, use SYNTHETIC oil in a
>SYNCHROMESH GEARBOX.  Synthetic oils are so slippery that the 
>synchros cannot generate enough friction to synchronize
>gear and shaft speeds.  Of course, gearboxes that do not
>use synchros, such as a motorcycle gearbox, do not have a 
>problem with synthetic oils.

Redline MTL is a synthetic oil for gearboxes with synchros.  I've used
this with great results in my Eclipse transaxle.  It's GL-4, 75W/80W,
about $8/quart.

/Matt
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From: jth4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JON T. HUTCHINSON)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: NASCAR
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:55:24 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


                       There once was a fellow named Kyle,
                       Who had great looks and some style.
                       42 is his car,
                       The best driver by far,
                       He beats the rest by a mile!





                       Patti    wife of........

                       
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From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 dates for 1993
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:04:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct9.000424.12752
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1b27quINNj1s@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cg894@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Lee Wilson) writes:
>
>That is for the '93 season.  The Japanese Grand Prix will be held
>at Suzuka this year.  I'm sure that the race would be moved to
>Suzuka next year if not at Autopolis.  Last year 4 million Japanese
>tried to get tickets.  You think Ecclestone would pass up a full
>house grand prix venue.  Me neither.

No, no, no.  The Asian GP and the Japanese GP are two different races (at least
in the preliminary schedules I have seen in the past).  One would be held at
Autopolis and the other at Suzuka.  Japan definitely have enough F1 fans to
fill both races.  If Autopolis' financial situation results in no F1 race
there, there will still be a race in Japan (at Suzuka).

However, continuing to have F1 races at Suzuka will be pouring salt in the
wound of Honda leaving F1.  (Suzuka has a huge Honda facility.)

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From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:50:59 GMT
Subject: Re: Rahal's '93 Chasis (was Re: New Galmer at Nazareth.  Why?)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport

Face facts - Jr had only one win and that came at the Indy destruction derby
so it wasn't like he had anything to brag about.  Rahal and Andretti each
have faster cars and more wins.  Al knew that we could not keep his lead
in the 92 car unless both Rahal and Andretti broke.  He bet against this
happening and decided the 93 might be his only chance at being competitive.
I really don't think Jr had any chance to win this thing so it really does
not matter.  The 93 may be a better car next year thanks to the *live*
testing done in this race.

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From: unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Top Five (US) drivers; forget the tracks ....
Date: 11 Oct 92 04:53:18 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

William  A. Hall Jr. writes:

>The 5 worst drivers (don't flame me!)
>
>4. Arie Lyendeyk (sp?)
>
>Regards,
>Bill

Being a GREAT fan of the Dutch Boy, I'd be REALLY interested in how you
arrived at this conclusion.

BTW it's spelled Luyendyk.  You know "lazy on the dyke".

Rob U
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