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From: ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason)
Subject: Re: Glen Mason to Ohio State?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:29:12 GMT

In article <ASH.92Nov13085324@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
>
>Didn't they fire Earl Bruce after his best year?

No - Earle was fired in the midst of his worst year (6-4-1).  Do
you mean the year before that?  If so, the answer is still no,
however that was his 2nd best year (10-3 vs 1979's 11-1).

> 
>The statement "If this team gets by Indiana" and "they defenitly (sic)
>have the talent to beat them." are mutually exclusive.  Michigan
>crushed Indiana.  If you're worried about Indiana, I wouldn't even
>bother hoping to beat Michigan.

I agree with you, however OSU *better* be worried about Indiana.
That's who they're playing this Saturday.  OSU *should* beat Indiana.
Michigan *should* beat OSU.  If either doesn't happen, it will be an
upset.  I don't think I'd be going out on much of a limb to say an
OSU victory over Michigan would be a bigger upset than Indiana over OSU.

>That Minne-haha game shouldn't give you much confidence either.

It's certainly true that the failure to get more points on the
board in that particular game is a concern for OSU.  However,
if you saw the game, or looked at the stats, I think you'd see
it for the butt-whipping it was.  

david
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:55:34 EST
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Alabama's Newest Problems: NCAA and Gene Jelks

In article <6969@news.duke.edu>, daniel@acpub.duke.edu (Daniel Crawford) says:
>
>I don't know if this information has already been posted to the net or
>not.  Either way, here it is:
>
>Excerpt from a story in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution,
>Thursday, Nov.12, 1992.
>
>"ALABAMA'S JELKS FOLLOWS PATH OF AUBURN'S RAMSEY"
>
>"A year after Eric Ramsey stunned the Auburn football program with
>secretly recorded tapes and allegations of illegal cash payments, former
>Alabama captain Gene Jelks has produced tapes of his own alleging NCAA
>violations by the Crimson Tide."

Oh God, here we go again.

>These tapes were provided directly to the Constitution and contain
>conversations with former Asst. coach Jerry Pullen among others.
>
>There is another interesting angle on the story:  Jelks' allegations
>include his own mother, who he said "conspired" with Pullen to get him
>to sign with Alabama.

According to ESPN Jelks' mother has denied Gene's allegations (at
least those that involve her).

>Another story in the Constitution described the families fear for
>themselves now that their son has gone public.  They fear that harm
>might come to them.

"You have disgraced the Corleone family."  Sorry; couldn't resist.

>I'm sure the story will be in _many_ other papers tomorrow.  We'll have
>to see what comes of it.
>
>Final quote from Jelks: "I want kids to know that Tide Pride is not all
>what they think it is.  They buy and sell it.  And when they're through
>with you, they kick you to the curb."

Being a Bama fan, I'll admit to being a wee bit skeptical.  But then,
I AM a wee bit biased.  Should these allegations be proven, things
could get interesting.  What does the NCAA do, particularly since
this occured two coaching staffs ago?  I know, they don't care.

One of the ESPN anchors made an interesting comment--why not send in
the IRS?  They'll find if the money exists and where it came from;
in addition, they'd be able to collect income tax on the illegal
payments.  :)

>T. Daniel Crawford
>Center for Computational Quantum Chemsitry

The big question:  Is all this going to screw Bama up for the Miss State
game (remarkable coincidence there, don't you think?), or will it just
piss them off?


Jim Thomas
Penn State
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From: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com (Tony Bowman)
Subject: Re: More MSU vs. Bama info
Reply-To: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com  
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:09:28 GMT

In article <dkm2.721492557@Isis.MsState.Edu>, dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee) writes:
|> 
|> I was digging through my Mississippi State sports information guide and found
|> some interesting information out.
|> 
|> The last time Mississippi State was 7-2 at this point in the season was 1980.
|> In 1980 , a then ranked #1 Alabama crimson tide went to Jackson Mississippi
|> to play state.  State pulled off the upset 6-3 and finished the season 9-3.
|> 
|> The depressing news is that we have beat Alabama once (that time) in 33 years.
|> We are 0-10 vs. Bama in Starkville.  But I have a feeling that is going to      change Saturday night.
|> 
|> 
	You are correct my friend.  I was there.  The "Dogs" have come very
	close on several occasions (including last year).  I do hope you are
	wrong about that changing this year.  We'll see in just 54 hours and 
	21 minutes.  See you there!!

		Roll Tide !!!
|> 
|> -- 
|>                David K. Magee | "Mandrake! Get over here and feed me that  
|>          MIS Graduate Student |  belt boy.  The Redcoats are coming! "
|>  Mississippi State University |
|>           dkm2@ra.msstate.edu |   -  General Jack Ripper, Dr. Strangelove 
Xref: sparky rec.sport.football.college:18804 alt.licker.store:31
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college,alt.licker.store
Subject: Re: Auburn--NCAA comes a callin'
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:49:43 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1992Nov6.200616.24420@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.190509.215@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>  
>edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Edmondson) writes:
>
>> This might be bad for Dye, as they may ask him to resign, but as far
>> as AU is concerned, I believe that the report when the whole ER thing
>> came out was that the timing of the two incidents would not merit the
>> death penalty.
>
>Worse yet, they may be assessed...the Debbie penalty:
>
>1) Denied access to editor
>2) Intermittent Caps Lock
>3) Line length = 25, New Line limit = 4
>4) E-mail address that bounces
>5) A tide of rolls, some stale, none cinnamon.
>6) Denied admittance to GSfC
>7) Change name to 'BAMA
>
8) Discuss DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM! on alt.licker.store, like
   they are supposed to.  alt.licker.store is a DIALECTICAL
   MATERIALISM! forum and no form of football, water polo,
   spam, dialectical materialism or Monty Python is to be
   discussed here.  Only DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM! is allowed.

	Jason
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Duke/Rice weather report (was: Rice vs. Baylor)
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:52:04 GMT

In article <BxH2qD.Lnw@rice.edu> tomscud@ruf.rice.edu (Thomas Reid Scudder)  
writes:
> No, the game is at Rice.  And, of course, they wouldnt look as slow
> as they did at Duke anyway unless the Bears could arrange for an all-day 
> thunderstorm, too.  Nothing like half a foot of mud to slow down those
> quick guys B-).

Actually, that Saturday was a dry day until a thunderstorm of
fury rarely seen on the Duke football field hit one hour before
game time.  The rain fell for about 1 hour, during the pregame
warmups which went on as scheduled.  The teams came off the
field after warmups 20 minutes before game time, but there was
no discussion of delaying the game in the press box (where Duke's
Athletic Director, Tom Butters, and I were) until about 5 minutes 
before kickoff, when the rain had all but stopped but lightning
was still striking.  So they played a couple plays, then trooped
off into the tunnel to wait 53 minutes.  Given Butters golf
prowess, no surprise at the lightning delay - which lasted 1/2
hour longer than the delay at nearby UNC.   

Duke appreciated the win, continuing a non-conference home winning
streak in football AND basketball dating back to an October 1983 
home football loss to, appropriately enough, Miami.

Look for the streak to continue in football for a while as 
Army (1993, 1994), East Carolina (1994), Navy (1995), and
Rutgers (1995) invade Beautiful and Historic Wallace Wade Stadium.

As far as hoops, Michigan should be the biggest Duke home challenge.

--
************* "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?" **************
Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov
Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
*******"Think that this is NASA's opinion?   NO, NO, NO!!!" ******
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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: WAR OVER!!!! MIAMI WINS !!!!!!
Keywords: You fool! You shall suffer the wrath of the woof-gawds!!!
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:05:08 GMT
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center

In article <1992Nov11.200643.19530@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> wcd2z@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (William Camden Daniel) writes:
>Well for all you over-footballed, under-educated Miami folks
>out there, I only have two words for you.
>
>CRIMSON TIDE!
>
>I think you hear me knocking
>and I think I'm coming in.
>
>And I'm bringing the Alabama football team, and their
>smashmouth, 3 yards and a cloud of dust style with me, and
>we're gonna see how your overpaid, overconfident, over-rated,
>under-educated football players stand up against them.
>
>

Um, we had a t-shirt sold here at FSU with a similar take-off of the nike
commercial (a particularly stupid commercial if you ask me). It went like 
this:

(front side)
I think you hear me knockin'
And I think I'm coming in.

(back side)
And I'm bringing Bobby 
and the big, bad Seminoles with me!

It didn't work for us...it won't work fo you.

>
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!    FLAME ON!
>
>YOU'LL WORK FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME IN THE LONG RUN!

Kevin
From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Alabama and Miami, setting it straight
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:13:12 GMT


    With all the wind blowing about how SEC teams are afraid to play Miami in
a home and home series, I thought I'd throw a few facts in concerning Alabama,
my favorite SEC team.

    Alabama and Miami have met 14 times.  Alabama has won 11 and lost 3 in
the series.  Miami wins came in 1954 at Miami (Alabama finished 4-5-2), 1955
at Miami (Alabama finsihed 0-10), and 1990  in the Sugar Bowl (Alabama finished
11-2).  There was a home and home series between these two teams from 1968 to
1971 with Alabama winning *all* of these games by a cumulative score of 
119 - 23.  Miami's highest score during this series was 8 points in a game they
lost 32 - 8.  They did not play in 1972 but played again in 1973 at Alabama 
and in 1974 at Miami, both of which Alabama won.

   So, it is clear that Alabama would be scared to play a team they have so
thoroughly dominated.  Perhaps we caught too much criticism about playing a
patsy and that is why the series was stopped.  Or, perhaps Miami asked for it
to be stopped for mercy's sake?

    As for being afraid of the Orange Bowl, the most lopsided bowl game in
history occurred there.  Alabama pasted Syracuse 61 - 6 in the 1952 OB.

    I realize that it is like throwing a wet blanket on a fire when facts are
brought to bear in a discussion in this newsgroup.  Sorry about that, but this
fiasco had gone on long enough.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
Hurricanes are a seasonal thing.  The Tide is forever.
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Sunday morning QB
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:59:52 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <RHOUSTON.92Nov9153114@peoa.glacier.sim.es.com>, rhouston@glacier.sim.es.com (Richard Houstan) writes:
> In article <40765@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
> 
>    o After all that, SDSU still controls it's destiny to the Holiday Bowl.
>      They have to beat Hawaii and Fresno St at home in the next 2 weeks.
> 
> Is this true? 
> If SDSU wins its next 2 games and BYU looses one that makes a tie between
> Hawaii and SDSU (assuming Hawaii wins its other game) sending SDSU to 
> the holiday bowl 
> because of the head to head tie breaker.


If SDSU wins its next 2 games and Hawaii wins it's last game, both will be tied
for 1st place. Head to head favors SDSU.


> What happens if BYU wins both it's games, making a 3 way tie? 
> Does SDSU go because it
> beat both BYU and Hawaii, or is there a different tie breaking scheme?
> 				Richard

You are right. SDSU would go to the HB bcoz head-to-head it would have
beaten both Hawaii and BYU.



_______________________________________________________
| Prashanth                    |                      |
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Torretta for the Heisman?
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 14:21:48 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov9.020341.25233@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (odagleD niveK) writes:
>Um, actually, it wasn't the player's fault. He was told by "Mr. Choke" Bowden
>to try and make something happen. Of course, the wrong thing happened. Just
>another screw up by everybody's so-called "saint". Don't go blaming players
>for the fuck-ups of moronic coaches.

Well, you can easily fault Mr. Bowden for the call, but I don't remember 
seeing him suited up and dropping the ball.  As I remember, the player 
fumbled the ball...  Maybe it is just a faulty memory, but even though the
idea was bad, the execution was worse...
-- 
David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
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From: C14577@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Debra Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Bowl Game for Michigan State?
Organization: Motorola
Date: 11 Nov 1992 13:44:49 CST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aboufadel@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (ABOUFADEL,E)
Subject: Bowl Game for Michigan State?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
Organization: Southern Connecticut State University - Computer Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:52:00 GMT

If the Spartans win their last two games (a reasonable possibility -- they
play Purdue at home and then the finale at Illinois), it will give them a
6-2 Big Ten record (which, I admit, doesn't say much this year) and a 6-5
overall record, which means that they get past one hurdle towards a bowl bid:
6 wins.

Now, I'm not talking about any presigious bowl here, but how about something
like the Hall of Fame bowl or one of those other pre-New Year "Extravaganzas"?

Well in case you didn't know the Hall of Fame bowl is a New Years day
bowl and it looks like it will be the looser of the BC vs. Syracuse gamel.
Tennessee.  I don't think that MSU could compete                        se
with any of those teams (I know they can't compete with BC, they beat yo
worse then Notre Dame beat us!)Perhaps they, Michigan State could go to
the Holiday bowl that is on December 30, but I don't think they will
make a New Years day bowl.
Ed Aboufadel
MSU '86



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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: SWC Heisman Woofin' 
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:25:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.003847.3069@tamsun.tamu.edu> gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary  
Wayne 'Goober' Smith) writes:

> Maybe there's hope for the rest of the SWC after all... I never thought I
> would see the day when there would be a Rice/Texas Tech Woof-fest.  And
> over a heisman trophy in addition to the game, no less.

I thought the only woofing was over the Heisman, given that the 
non-conference losses had eliminated Rice and TT from bowl contention.

Of course, my school has NO conference (ACC) wins and never will, so who am I  
to judge such the SWC race...                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> - goober (here a woof, there a woof) smith

--
************** "Frank, shut up and push the button" **************
Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov
Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
*******"Think that this is NASA's opinion?   NO, NO, NO!!!" ******
From: sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: USC Arizona
Date: 9 Nov 92 06:58:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

From article <1992Nov9.013055.27951@leland.Stanford.EDU>, by elsonliu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liu):
> In article <26064@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>>
>> So how much is USC favored by to beat the Cats at home? Hopefully
>>the Cats will be underdogs as they have done well of late in that
>>position. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that Arizona was
>>an underdog against UCLA, Stanford, CAL and WAshington. Granted they
>>were favored against NMSU but that really doesn't count. 
> 
> Well, I may be wrong, but I had heard that Arizona was 12 and USC 11
> last week.  With USC's lost to Stanford, and Arizona's win over
> Washington, I doubt Arizona will be the underdog.
> 

You may be wrong, indeed.  The Cats are ranked #9 and the Trojans #18
by AP.  Since the Trojans enjoy the home-field advantage (for what it's
worth in LA), and have some impressive outings to their credit, I doubt
Arizona will be favored by any more than 2, if at all.  We'll see
tomorrow.

>>
>>			gln
>>
> 
> ......Elson.....


--

Steve Matheson   Program in Neuroscience   University of Arizona
sfm@neurobio.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: God! Grass DOES grow in the SWC!!
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:50:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.004247.536@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu  
(Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR)) writes:
> Finally!! A SWC team with grass in their home field! TCU's new field looks
> great. I tuned in to the the TCU-Texas game and could not believe what I saw.
> Grass!! Now if only the Big 8 could see this.

Grass would probably grow at some stadiums in the Big 8 like 
Soldier Field.  And don't count on those crazy college kids
replacing their divots.

--
************* "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?" **************
Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov
Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
*******"Think that this is NASA's opinion?   NO, NO, NO!!!" ******
From: madison@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (jon gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Pac-10 expansion (was Re: New Conference (Best of Big8/SWC))
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:30:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.83179
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Nov3.233137.3896@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson) writes:
>In article <25580@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:

>> If memory serves me correctly (and it probably does not) Stanford objected
>>to such a split when it was proposed for the two texas schools - is there
>>reason to expect them to have changed their minds???

>I have read in the Austin American-Statesman that Stanford no longer objects
>to admitting Texas as a member, but there was no elaboration.


  I seem to remember the Statesman hinting at the fact that part of what
Stanford objected to (aside from expansion in general) was Texas A&M. They
seemed to hint that Stanford didn't seem to think that A&M would fit in
as a research/education based university (although I don't think that would
really be a problem) and that the Aggies were under probation in football at
the time and currently in basketball by the NCAA.

Jon, madison@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: n8843528@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Chris M. Jacques)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami #1
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:54:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov13.215443.28504
Organization: Western Washington University

n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper) writes:

>William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>>In an article <1992Nov12.165643.16101@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
>>kkc@nursing.arizona.edu (Kee Koon Chua) writes:

>>>So far, the only real team that Miami has beaten is FSU and Arizona. As
>>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^                                 ^^^^^^^

>>First of all, I AM NOT A MIAMI HURRICANE FAN!!!!!! Got it? Good!
>>But, wait a minute, I don't get this.  After Miami's win over Arizona,
>>every UW fan in the nation was calling Arizona a "creampuff",
>>"overrated", "fluke", "a non-contender", "the weakest PAC-10 team". 
>>Could it now be that UW fans are hyping up Arizona to make their Huskies
>>look good?

>>I don't know.  You tell me.

>OK, I will. First of all, not every UW fan was calling Arizona a "creampuff"
>team. Anyone who knows the Pac-10 knew Arizona was good. I don't think
>they're the best, but very good. The point people were trying to make was
>that Miami BARELY won, and when comparing 2 undefeated teams, barely winning
>just doesn't cut it. If Maimi's wins over ANY of their ranked opponents was
>convincing, then we'd have another story. As it is, I don't think it'll
>matter on Jan. 2. I said a couple months ago I didn't think either
>Washington or Miami looks as good as they did last year. It is not at all
>unlikely that Miami could lose still. Either Syracuse or their bowl
>match-up. Alabama and Texas A&M have as good a shot as anybody. Besides, we
>don't need to "hype up" Arizona, everyone knows they are a great team now.
>And the Huskies don't need to be made to look good. They are good. Maybe not
>the best, certainly they don't have the best record. But they're a dam good
>football team.

>-Brian Harper


>>Will         


>Good point. But lets not forget. Miami beat Arizona at home bu by one lousy
point. They could never (sorry cross out never) probably would not beat
Arizona in Tucson.
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From: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu (Douglas Brod)
Subject: Re: PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply-To: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:52:04 GMT

In article 806@cybernet.cse.fau.edu, azzarito@cse.fau.edu (Doug Azzarito) writes:
>In article <72623@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>>
>>Oh, PLEASE Gators come through and whip those Dawgs big time.  Cmon, Shane,
>>you want that SEC player of the year, don't you, here's your chance.
>>PLEASE beat those Dawgs!  Woof Woof!
>
>It was our pleasure.  Now, do we have any Clemson fans who want the gators to 
>whip the Gamecocks? :-)
>
>Go GATORS!

No, we want the Cocks to beat the Gators so we look good when (hopefully) we beat them.

Doug Brod
dbrod@eng.clemson.edu