HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sorgatz@avatar.tti.com (sorgatz)
Subject: Re: i have a question (SO DO I !!)
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:51:03 GMT

In article <72923@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Folks: I should have stated that the man was one armed (he had one
>arm missing) in my last postings. The planet Venus is a very hot place
>and not hospitable to humans in the third dimension, but in the 4th 
>dimension it is quite a nice place. Humans can visit there is their
>astral form and the space people can change a human's molecturlar structure
>so that we can exist there also. It takes about a two week conditioning
>period. 
>John Winston.

 Aw Jeez...Winston...do you make this stuff up as you go or do you have a
script writer run it up for you?? Just how, exactly, do you know this? I
can't imagine a means (enclosures aside) of getting human life to survive
the environment of Venus. 600+ degrees, poisonous atmosphere...c'mon..get
real! "The Space People"...you sound as silly as George Adamski. Where's
your proof? Got *anything* to back this twaddle up? 

 


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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Conclusions RE:John Winston
Date: Sat,  9 Jan 93 02:55:47 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear People: I don't believe Ethan will quite the group because I 
don't believe he is a quiter. You will hear from him again. At least 
we are hearing what he has to say and I for one appreciate that.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: Newsletter
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:18:34 GMT

In article <93005.123520BOTGC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <BOTGC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>I am still getting questions about the newsletter I publish, and it seems
>my previuos messages are being buried among the tons of others on this
>conference.
>Ok. Here goes again...The newsletter is called "The Nefilim Forum". It is
>meant to be an interactive newsletter, so that we publish the letters of
>our subscribers, brainstorming problems relating influence of extraterrestrials
>on human civilizations. It is very influenced by Z. Sitchin's books and
>in fact he has subscribed himself in December. We are also having other
>scientists from all areas subscribing. Things are picking up, subscribers
>start to realize at last how things work in terms of interaction with the
>otheres. If interested, leave me a note.
>
>Regards,
>Vladislav

I'm interested..why not post some of the newsletters here?

Don

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From: dfs30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: VIDEO - BEYOND DENIAL
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:32:34 GMT
Reply-To: dfs30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I just wanted to inform anyone who would do business with Bill Knell
from Island Skywatch to refrain from buying the video BEYOND DENIAL.
He is selling it illegaly.

One of the members of my UFO Group (Silicon Valley Skywatchers) sent
him the video to share new material. In the very beginning of the tape
it says in bold print the tape is not for comercial use but can be
distributed free of charge. Bill is charging $20.
The thing that really upsets me is that the flyer for the tape went out
in his newsletter but he made sure it didn't get put into our newsletter.
A friend in another state sent us a copy. The sneak!

I am very dissapointed in him and feel he is just trying to make a buck.
He is listed in the FAQ so just be aware that he may be a jerk (IMHO).

P.S. For the curious - I did contact the creator of the video and faxed
him a copy of the flyer.

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From: dementia@cwis.unomaha.edu (Diane Atkinson)
Subject: Re: The Cursor Speaks Out!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:41:57 GMT

u2nmh@csc.liv.ac.uk (N.M. Humphries) writes:


>2) Crop circles. All are hoaxes. Speaking as a hoaxer myself, I've found that
>the "experts" cannot tell a natural circle from a manmade one, so any research
>would be pointless.

"All are hoaxes" is a rather sweeping statement.  I can honestly say there
are those that *are* hoaxes, but there are those where it is not so easily
dismissed.  I took a class here at UNO, and UFOs as well as crop circles
were discussed.  
The information that was presented was scientific research of grasses and
grains affected by the circles.  Hoaxes were obvious, as crops were
damaged and broken--no further growth occurred.
However, oddities were present in some circles, namely, grasses were not
broken and kept growing long after the formation of the circle.  These grasses
could even later be harvested.  Also noted were oddities occurring on growth
nodes of the grains that could be replicated--but only if stuck in a microwave
and nuked.  There is no known technology that can cause sudden heat induced
changes in plant growth nodes while at the same time causing a bending but
not breaking of the same grasses.
So it is unknown exactly what causes these sorts of crop circles.  I just
don't think all are people circling around with a board.  That just couldn't
cause the above listed oddities.  Some have said that the heat from a UFO, as
well as its strange sort of effects on gravity could cause such oddities.
A theory, but not proven.


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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: UPCOMING on the ParaNet UFO CONTINUUM
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:46:05 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - <ParaNet(sm) , Arvada CO


 * Forwarded from "ParaNet UFO Echo"
 * Originally by Michael Corbin
 * Originally to All
 * Originally dated 8 Jan 1993, 18:45

Here is the schedule for the next two weeks on ParaNet's UFO radio show:

Sunday, January 10 9:00 PM Mountain/11:00 Eastern
        Guest:  Jim Speiser
                Founder of ParaNet and UFO researcher in Arizona.

Sunday, January 17 9:00 PM Mountain/11:00 Eastern
        Guest:  David Jacobs
                Author of Secret Life concerning the abduction phenomenon.

The show is heard over Galaxy 6, Channel 17, 7.5 MHz Audio.

Be sure to tune in with your satellite receiver and call in over our toll-free lines to speak to the guests.

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From: anna@moxie.hou.tx.us (Anna Anderson)
Subject: Stonehenge Crop Circles Filming
Organization: Home Improvement
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:45:27 GMT

Yesterday's "Unsolved Mysterys" showed a group of English scientists
in the Stonehenge area who set up cameras in an attempt to catch
crop circle formations.

The camera caught some hoaxsters, but they alleged to have also filmed
some apparently genuine formations. All that was said was that they
were turning the film over to the scientific community for evaluaton, and 
then later to the public.

I'm unsure if this was an old rerun or not. Anyone have any further
information on this claim?

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff)
Subject: Re: BIGFOOTF SPACEMAN?
Organization: BeHereNow
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:36:25 GMT

In article <141879.2B5252F7@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Andre.Eichner@f10.n2403.z2.FIDONET.ORG (Andre Eichner) writes:
>Hello Victor!
>
>Tuesday January 05 1993, Victor Volkman writes to All:
>
> VV> Even worse, you cannot "live" on Jupiter because there is no place to
> VV> "stand".  It is not solid, it is gaseous.  Not to mention gravity and
> VV> radiation are almost 100 times earth normal.
>
>Not at the physical dimension, but in light dimensions!
>Earth ist the only one planet in solar system with live on the physical dimension at this time. (I don't know about any other...)
>
>cheers
>   Andre

Right on Andre.
Greeting to my german brother...

Can you say:

LIGHT WITHOUT HEAT?

In knew that you could.

Jeff-
From: locatech@tron.gun.de (Joerg Loehn)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien Past.
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:04:00 GMT
Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neuss, Germany

\JOHN_-_\WINSTON%CUP.PORTAL.COM@USENET schrieb am 5.01.93 um 22:32:

\P> Subject: Have You Lived On An Other Planet Before?
\P> [...]
\P>    "I agree with the estimate of one in five people having lived a past life 
\P> in an alien world beyond Earth," he said.
\P>   This is me JW talking now. Lo and behold could this possibuly be true. Oh 
\P> me, oh my, what is this world coming to?

So the theory of reincarnation seem to be true. But as I see there seem to
be several stages of reincarnation, 'cause many people reported on the same
planet. There are that many planetes in universe that could keep life on it,
that it would be nearly impossible that more than 2 or 3 people have lived
on the same planet before. It all seem to be in a order such as: You live
on planet x and after death you MUST live on planet y and then on the next
and so on. Do you know any more facts about that?

\P> Source of Information: Weekly World News, January 19, 1993 page 21.
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                              How is that possible?
                                              Today is Jan 7,93
                                              Or was that 1992?

so long...
                Joerg
      
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From: leigh.melton@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Leigh Melton) 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Whatever it was...
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:03:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ed Hopper's BBS - Berkeley Lake, GA - 404-446-9462
Reply-To: leigh.melton@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Leigh Melton) 

I just picked up this conference.  The first package I got contained a
.sig that was six messages long, or something of that nature.  Is this a
recurring thing?

Just curious.

L.
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From: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: why i put physics here.
Date: 9 Jan 93 19:48:59 EST
Reply-To: "tom betz" <tom.betz@execnet.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Executive Networks Information

Quoth John - Winston regarding WHY I PUT PHYSICS HERE. on 01-07-93:

J->Dear Folks: This all reminds me of the old song words that say, Why is
J->everybody always picking on me.


The truth comes out!  See, John-Winston can't use contractions... he's an 
Android from the future!!

No wonder he seems so odd...

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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:17:10 CST
From: <U37460@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: John Winston is not a real person?
 <1993Jan6.193721.20654@netcom.com> <93006.170545U37460@uicvm.uic.edu>
 <Jan.6.20.12.40.1993.22025@dropout.rutgers.edu>

In article <Jan.6.20.12.40.1993.22025@dropout.rutgers.edu>,
mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) says:
>
>        U37460@uicvm.uic.edu (Ethan Haslett) writes:
>        Assuming he is not wealthy in the extreme this might be a way
>        for someone to annoy him!  Or quiet him.  Comments?
>
> Bad idea.  If you do not like what John writes, then don't answer
>him.  "Attacking" someone in this manner is very akin to stealing
>his/her credit card and running up charges as "punishment".  It is not
>something I wish to be even remotely associated with.
>
Is he not doing the same by flooding everyones mailbox with his messages?
>Charles
Ethan Haslett
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Stonehenge Crop Circles Filming
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:08:10 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In article <trondk_l.13.726843478@gribb.hsr.no> trondk_l@gribb.hsr.no (Lindanger, Trond K.    8-94) writes:
>In article <gunnarh.290.726816344@dhhalden.no> gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO) writes:
>>From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
>>Subject: Re: Stonehenge Crop Circles Filming
>>Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:25:44 GMT
>
>
>>Hey, gimme a break.. If there really was Aliens lurking around, I'm dure 
>>they'd have better things to do than drawiong funny little sirkles in the 
>>corn field.
>
>
>If you don't think it's "Aliens" fine! But do you have any better 
>explanaitions? There are people claiming they have made the circles, but 
>when they are asked to redraw some of them they can't do it...
>

Er..yes they can.  I seen an article that sez they can.  Think it was
"Newsweek" or "Scientific American".  Can't remember which.  Probably
"Newsweek".  I don't think "Scientific American" would waste paper on
crop circles.  But they demonstrated their technique, which was to use
the huge board they were dragging around in circles to eliminate their
tracks inside the circle, and just being really careful when they walked
through the rest of the field.  It was pretty neat.

	Jason
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From: anna@moxie.hou.tx.us (Anna Anderson)
Subject: Re: Stonehenge Crop Circles Filming
Organization: Home Improvement
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:34:46 GMT

gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO) writes:

>Hey, gimme a break.. If there really was Aliens lurking around, I'm dure 
>they'd have better things to do than drawiong funny little sirkles in the 
>corn field.

I didn't claim there were aliens lurking around, moron.

The point is, crop circles are real. They are caused by
something natural. Or by something extraordinarly natural.

All I was asking if someone knew about an alleged (scientific) film,
and apparently you don't know anything.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Moderated Group/John Winston
Date: Tue,  5 Jan 93 08:16:44 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec30.031346.20193@bilver.uucp> <C03G2p.L38@moxie.hou.tx.us>
  <1993Jan1.231216.28162@bilver.uucp>

Dear Folks: Why is it that when I hear the words moderator, censorship
I think of Hitler? I agree the Don would be a good moderator if you 
think you need a moderator.
John Winston.
From: golight@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:39 EST
Subject: Re: Alien Past.
Nf-ID: #R:228.40599@tron.gun.de:-1353180072:peg:422800040:000:164
Nf-From: peg.UUCP!golight    Jan 11 23:39:00 1993


G'day Jeorg.....

Maybe you 'live on planet x until you receive and integrate the lessons]
of planet x life and then move on?

Juz a thought....Regards >:-} Photon
From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Ozzie Ufos
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:58:02 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - <ParaNet(sm) , Arvada CO


 > From: Jim.Atwell@f851.n800.z3.fidonet.org (Jim Atwell)
 > Date: 29 Dec 92 07:07:02 GMT
 > Message-ID: <725996370.AA08617@csource.oz.au>
 > Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors

 > Are any readers of this group interested in regular postings of
 > up-to-date Australian UFO reports?

 > If so, post a reply. If there's a reasonable response I'll
 > organize some regular postings.

Jim,

I am interested in getting them.  Presently we receive them from UFORA.

Mike

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From: case@infonode.ingr.com (Bill Case)
Subject: Re: Pleiadian problems
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:31:36 GMT

In article <1ij5qeINNkkn@zikzak.apana.org.au> petert@zikzak.apana.org.au (Peter T.) writes:
>A few sources state that the Pleiadians no longer visit us because they have "problems at home" that
>they must attend to.
>Does anybody know what these problems are supposed to be?

They've picked up the a.a.v feed, and the masses are in some ritualistic
frenzy over their new god.  Yep,  JW carved in green gold!  The rituals
include brief group recitations....12 times a day.
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From: jcitro3@cwis.unomaha.edu (Joe Citro III)
Subject: Re: Ozzie UFOs
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 09:12:08 GMT

Just like the Nike commercials say:

                        JUST DO IT !  :)
                        
                

                                Joe Citro III
From: petert@zikzak.apana.org.au (Peter T.)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Re George Adamski-Fraud?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 05:36:33 GMT
Organization: Zikzak public access UNIX, Melbourne Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: zikzak.apana.org.au
Newsreader: MS Windows WinVN

In article <1993Jan10.185308.6967@netcom.com>, rkrouse@netcom.com (Robert K. Rouse) says:
>
>There is a book from the same time called: Space, Gravity and The
>Flying Saucers.  Published in 1955.  The author is Leonard Cramp.
>In this book he examines George Adamski's claims and, in particular,
>makes a rigorous scientific examination of the Adamski photographs
>of flying saucers.  It was in this book that I first read about
>the idea of the ships generating their own gravity from the
>center of the craft so that the occupants don't suffer the affects
>of rapid course changes.
>-- 
What was Leonard Cramp's opinion of George Adamski?
How detailed are his explanations on the technical side?
In his point of view, did he agree/disagree that Adamski's technical drawrings might be real?
Also can you provide me with the publisher of the above mentioned book, and where it may be purchased.
Thankyou
Peter T.

I'm just one of Deep Thought's subroutines.
From: u2nmh@csc.liv.ac.uk (N.M. Humphries)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: The Cursor Speaks Out!
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:20:59 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

I've been reading this newsgroup for a while now and would like to introduce 
some form of debate for readers to pick up on (JW excluded).

1) Having read a number of books on the UFO phenomenon, I have frequently come
accross cattle mutilations. This is when cattle have parts of their bodies cut
out very precisely and all their blood drained out of them. When scientists
examined these mutilated bodies, not a single trace of blood was found either in
the body or on the ground around the body. What I want to know is it possible to
recreate this effect on earth?

2) Crop circles. All are hoaxes. Speaking as a hoaxer myself, I've found that
the "experts" cannot tell a natural circle from a manmade one, so any research
would be pointless.

3) Alien races. There are alien races, but how people on earth got their names
is a mystery to me. "Greys" are another matter since some respected UFOlogists
claim to have seen them (Tim Good, Bob Oeschler to name but two). I mean, the
Centaurians from Alpha Centauri, I ask you! (For those that don't know, AC is a
star, not a planet).

4) JW isn't mad, just a disinformer.

Thankyou.


The Cursor.
From: I.A.Inman@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: John Winston - Re: Enuf is enuf. Time for a moderated group...
Date: 3 Jan 93 20:41:23 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU
Originator: n08dp@tuda


In article <1hnopiINNg3u@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, smg6@po.CWRU.Edu (Stanley M. Golem) writes:
> 
> Sad but true: this really has to a moderated group.  It reminds me
> of gradeschool, where a teacher would give the kids quite a bit of
> rope until the "bad apples" hung the rest of the class.
> 
> There seems to be quite a group of people ready to jump ship (me
> among them).  Maybe we should just go find our own sandbox to play
> in.
> -- 

Just a small point, but is it or is it not true that the newsnet is pure anarchy
anyway?
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:57:18 EST
From: <MSC118@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Mailing list please.

Hey now!
    Please place me on your mailing list.  I would be much obliged.

         Walk in peace,
                    Mike
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From: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293)
Subject: Re: I am disappointed...
Reply-To: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293)
Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre, Harrow, UK
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:30:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.024851.883@news.unomaha.edu>, dementia@cwis.unomaha.edu (Diane Atkinson) writes:
> 
> I thought I might find intelligent debate here--you know, presentations
> of facts by both sides,  discussions, perhaps even a little more in
> the formation of explanations in the whys and hows of extraterrestrials.
> Instead all I find is petty bickering, opinion and people bashing,  "Gee,
> look at this story--Weren't these saps dumb?" articles, and a lot of 
> "There's no way anything but my opinion is correct" stuff.
> 
> I had hoped for more....
> 
> Diane Atkinson
> dementia@cwis.unomaha.edu


Occasionally we get into discussions above all the bickering. What it needs
is somebody to start the ball rolling. 

Also posted today was a message from somebody asking why people thought
George Adamski was a fraud. I have returned the information I have come
across and no doubt others will do likewise, so we could get a discussion
going here.

In the past I have suggested that people present evidence for and against
extraterrestrials visiting us. This has come up with very little response
other than a few idiots telling me they are posting on behalf of the aliens
who are watching me - big deal. There are a few of us around Diane who are
interested in serious discussion, hang-in there

Steve

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