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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: Canada as No. N (was: US as No. 1)
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:43:09 GMT
Organization: Deep Space Nine (DS9)

clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen) writes:
>
>Dr. Godfrey has actually touched on a real Canadian problem, its
>historic brain/talent drain.
>
>Two Nobel Chemistry Prizes in the past 5 years have gone to Canadians
>who pursued their research careers in the United States.  And we've
>all seen the OECD (or G7) figures which show Canada's low R&D spending
>compared to other major industrialized countries.

We have been hobbled with a "branch plant" economy due to conservative
business/investment practices among our monied classes; the battle
that is still-raging over the US-Canada Free Trade is between those
who want to return to the old high-tariff status quo (within both the
Canadian Establishment and in the labour unions) versus the "nouveaux
riches".  Back out west, the Albertans once cried "Let the Eastern
bastards freeze in the dark" because they knew that most of their
capitalization was not coming out of Toronto (mind you, it was eastern
Canada buying all that natural gas that had helped to stabilize the
Alberta energy sector) ...  Maritimers remember when they once had a
flourishing economy (read "Barometer Rising", a novel that takes place
in Halifax of WW I just prior to a munitions ship explosion in the
harbour) which was bought up and closed down by central Canadian
interests.  That and a traditional reliance on the harvesting of
natural resources vs.  value-added products meant that research and
support for it was pretty shallow, and outfits like Northern Telecom
have been the exception until recently.

>I won't even begin to enumerate artists whose careers have flourished
>south of the border.  (OK, I will.  As my knowledge is mostly in the
>popular vein, my list would begin with the Warner Brothers and Mary
>Pickford, and end with Norman Jewison and Martin Short.  Well, perhaps
>the popular arts are a poor example, since the larger American market
>is a big attraction, even for some francophone performers.  

In the former case (Warners, Pickford) and leading up to the stars of
the 60's (the Guess Who, Neil Young, etc.), the border was much more
open and particularly performers could move back and forth to play and
make money doing it.  Today, if Neil Young were to hang out and make
the connections leading up to Buffalo Sprinfield, he'd either run out
of money as a tourist and flee for home, or else he'd be an illegal
alien subject to deportation if he played an evening for pay at a
coffee house.

gld
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From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Food choices
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:11:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.053839.13816@Princeton.EDU> nfs@hart (Norbert Schlenker) writes:
>In article <81991@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7627b@prism.gatech.EDU (gt7627b THORNE,STEPHEN PHILIP) writes:
>>I am an American who lived for four years in Toronto (I graduated
>>from _SECONDARY_ school in Canada).  I even went so far as to work
>>in a Canadian grocery store.  And from my perspective, there is 
>>no better spectrum of quality and choice than in US supermarkets.
>
>Well, you simply haven't tried the right things.  I still find it
>absolutely necessary to import (or beg a Care package full of)
>Stretch and Seal (because American plastic wrap is shit), Coyote
>Pancake Mix (because American pancake mix is shit), and Marks &
>Sparks Extra Strong Tea (I know, I know, it's not really Canadian,
>but American tea is shit).
>
>>P.S. I _like_ Cheez-Whiz!!!
>
>What a surprise.  I bet those rubber bricks they label Wisconsin
>cheddar are high on your list too.

you folks back home might find it interesting to know that a major
chain in the boston area is now selling (and actively marketing)
the Loblaw's President's Choice line.

-=-
charles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: dvrobert@doofus.b15.ingr.com (Doug Roberts)
Subject: cigarette prices
Keywords: cigarette prices
Reply-To: dvr@doofus.b15.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville Al.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:02:20 GMT

Hi All,

In my never-ending quest to seek out the distinctions between Canada
and the US (it's a tough job.......), I was wondering what the price
is now for a pack/carton of cigarettes.  I'm not a smoker, and the
last time I was in Canada (Regina in the summer of '89) a pack of 25
went for about $2.50 Canadian.  I understand it's now up to $7??
If true, where does the tax money go to?  Does it support the health
costs of smokers (as I feel it should)?

I realize that this isn't much of a cultural question, but what the hey
......it's Friday!
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From: mckay@alcor.concordia.ca (John McKay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Montreal subway
Date: 23 Jan 93 10:39:08 GMT
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec
Originator: mckay@alcor.concordia.ca


The advantages of rubber tires (ability to ride a steeper gradient
and quietness)
have to be weighed against the cost of frequent replacement. Does
anyone have an informed idea of the frequency and cost of replacing
the tires?
I find the transport system very user unfriendly. My test is whether
a newcomer can easily find their way. There is a paucity of visible
information concerning which side of the track is which. There is
a small 6 inch wide frame indicating this at the top of stairs. Far
too easy to miss. It would help if, as in Tokyo, the names of
adjacent stations were painted large on the track walls. East is
East and West is West - but not in Montreal where it is rotated to
a fictitious E-W following the St. Laurence river. At least on the
roads the signs to "Etats-Unis" have been replaced! Who wants
tourists ?
From: hahn@het.brown.edu (Stephen Hahn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:23:25 GMT
Organization: (No comment.)
Distribution: world
Reply-To: hahn@het.brown.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: pion.het.brown.edu

In article 1@vxdesy.desy.de, godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de () writes:
[ other citations omitted ]
> 
>Absolutely agreed.  Canada is hugely inferior to the US in all respects,
>and Canadians occupy considerable time and efort ina fruitless attempt
>to try to convince people otherwise.  To the rest of us it looks rather
>ludicrous and a little sad.
>
>Laurence
>

   I don't really understand this:  most of the people I know on both
   sides of the border seem to think the two are similar in more ways than
   they are different.  Can you explain/justify why you think one is
   in all ways superior?  (Your statement seems a little extreme, at the
   very least.)  I'd prefer to see reasoning and examples not connected
   with your experiences with Canadian government science.

   (I strongly doubt that the "rest of us" are so patronizing to consider
    this behaviour as "a little sad", by the way.)

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   Department of Physics     |   for rent   |
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From: bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian Ross)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Are there ghettos in Canada?
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:36:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Brock University
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golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
: In article <1k1a4s$7qj@agate.berkeley.edu> delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lisa DeLorme) writes:
: 
: >So, what constiutes a ghetto in Canada. What US areas that I know might they
: >be comparable to? Where are they located? Is this a relatively new thing,
: >or have I just missed it all along.
: >
: 
: There is nothing really comparable to the worst ghettoes in the United
: States yet...but we are on the slippery slope.

Our reservations are akin to ghettoes.

-- 
Brian Ross                          
bross@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca            
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:10216 can.politics:11584
From: delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lisa DeLorme)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
Subject: Re: Misleading stats
Date: 22 Jan 1993 05:05:53 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <C12HCG.HCw@ecf.toronto.edu> pelton@ecf.toronto.edu (PELTON MATTHEW ALAN) writes:
>  On the "Facts (sic) & Arguments" page of the _Globe & Mail_ today,
>there's a statement that "The majority of men who assault women in 
>Canada are white (71.9 per cent) and Canadian-born (63.4 per cent)."
(stuff deleted)
>  Also -- what do you think of the statement?  My friend doesn't mind
>it because he thinks it's supposed to show that white Canadians are
>just as likely to beat their wives as are non-white immigrants.  I
>think it's misleading because it implies (without stating) that white
>Canadians are more likely to beat their wives (because they commit
>the majority of the crimes), without actually stating it.  It was 
>provided as a statistic on its own, without any context, so it 
>seems patently misleading, even though it's not false.
>


I think the statistic is only misleading if you read things into it that it
doesn't claim, in other words, if you confuse absolute numbers with rates.

An example I often use with my students: The majority of people who are on
welfare are white. African-Americans receive welfare at a higher rate than
other groups. How can both statements be true? (They are). It is because
there are more whites than anyone else. Say you have a population of 100,00
people, 80% white (80,000) and 20% black (20,000) and no other races. Say
10% of the whites were on welfare (rate), that's 8,000 people. Say 25% of
the black people were on welfare (a rate), that,s  5,000 people. Blacks
would have a higher *rate* of welfare membership, while more white people
*in absolute numbers* would be on welfare.

Thus, the statistic above is not misleading. It is refering to absolute
numbers and stating accurately that the majority are white. To know if
the rates differ, you would have to know the percentage of *each* race that
beats their wives, or know their relative proportions of the population.
If 79.9 percent of the offenders are white, but whites are only 20% of the
population, then clearly they are offending way out of proportion to their
numbers. If all groups offend equally, then we would expect their percentage
in the offender pool to be roughly equal to their percentage in the population
pool.

Thus the statistic qouted in the paper is fine. Sometimes a rate is more
appropriate, sometimes an absolute number, depending on what you are trying
to state. From the above statement, it *would not* be appropriate to say that
non-whites are *more likeley* to beat their wives because the data that would
allow you to compute a rate is not there. But, the paper didn't make that
assertion, the reader did.

Lisa
delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu

the bl
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: kenm@maccs.mcmaster.ca (...Jose)
Subject: Re: Are there ghettos in Canada?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:50:22 GMT

In article <C1H0Cv.5AA@ccu.umanitoba.ca> feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld) writes:
>The nearest Canada comes to having a traditional Black ghetto is in
>Toronto: the "Jane/Finch" area, named after the intersection of major
>streets in the north west.  Downtown Toronto property is the area of
>yuppies; the "inner city" is outer.
>

	Another difference with the Toronto "ghetto" is that it consists
mostly of recent immigrants, rather than generations-old people (blacks,
hispanics).  As I understand it (as a Toronto visitor, not native), much
of the Jane-Finch area *is* black, but blacks in Toronto are most likely
to be West Indian, esp. Jamaican (Toronto is the most popular area for
Jamaican immigration in Canada).


				...Jose

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach)
Subject: Labour (was Re: NDP "communism?" )
Originator: labach@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:46:02 GMT
	<93020.174629SPRAGGEJ@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
	<1993Jan22.014114.1347@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
Organization: The Bobby Jurasin Fan Club

In article <1993Jan22.014114.1347@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: 

> Democracy is never a waste of money...and a secret ballot is essential
> to protect the rights of the individual.  But then the labour movement
> has never been interested in democracy!

Unlike, of course, business.  Sure, Shell may have hired policemen to
annihilate a village in Nigeria a few years ago*, and the RCMP may have
gone and murdered some miners in Estevan, Sask. to put down the unrest
that so disturbed the owners, among other similar occurrences, but
business just LOOOOOOVES democracy, don't they?

To be fair, I'd be happier with guarantees of a secret ballot, but in my
experience of unions trying to organize workplaces I've been at, the
only intimidation came from (gasp!) management.  And if the situation
has to be slanted, I'd be happier that it be slanted to workers (the
majority) rather than owners (the minority).  After all, unions have
made my life better, in a very real sense.  Conrad Black hasn't done
fuck all for me.

As far as I can tell, business apologists want businessmen to have the
right to act in their own self-interest, but not workers.

* Oct. 1990, as determined by a Nigerian judicial commission, reported
  in The Guardian

- terry -
- anarchist by inclination, socialist in self-defense -
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 Whose minds are fixed on pelf and place
 To cringe beneath the rich man's frown
 And haul that sacred emblem down."
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: Re: Montreal subway
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:29:45 GMT

In article <5677@daily-planet.concordia.ca> mckay@alcor.concordia.ca (John McKay) writes:

			[...]

   East is East and West is West - but not in Montreal where it is
   rotated to a fictitious E-W following the St. Laurence river. 

Actually, it is not just Montreal but most of the populated parts of
the province that are rotated like that.  The autoroutes and other
numbered roads travel Est/Ouest when they (more-or-less) parallel the
St. Lawrence, and Nord/Sud when they are perpendicular.

   At least on the roads the signs to "Etats-Unis" have been replaced!

Everytime I go home and see those "USA" signs I get the idea that I
should write the OLF and complain.  I mean, if stores in my
neighbourhood are not allowed to employ non-French words on their
signs, why should the Ministry of Transport?

   Who wants tourists ?

Writing "USA" instead of "E.-U." is minor.  I'm waiting for more
prevalent English highway signs.  Ontario is instituting bilingual
highway signs; so should Quebec.

--
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From: stevec@unixg.ubc.ca (Steve Cumming)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Wildlife Mgt in Canadian Universities
Date: 24 Jan 1993 00:12:16 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: jaeger.geog.ubc.ca

In article <1993Jan22.081859.5976@nuscc.nus.sg> mcbjjbj@nuscc.nus.sg (Jose Julian Blanc Juarez (Mr)) writes:
>	I would like to find out which Canadian Universities offer MSc
>degrees in Wildlife/ Natural Resources Management. Any information will be
>greatly appreciated.
>
>	Julian
>

There are a number of such programmes at UBC in Vancouver.
You could do an interdisciplinary programme in Resource Management
Science, if policy issues are up your street.  Or, you could
do something in Forestry under the Forest Resource Management programme
or the Centre for Applied Conservation Biology.

Reply be email, and I'll send some fax numbers.

Steve

--
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stevec@geog.ubc.ca		    ... how long you got left?
				        well how long do you reckon?
From: rkobenter@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: re: dual citizenship
Date: 28 Jan 93 11:59:11 -0800
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

dual citizenship:

Canada allows it, some countries (GERMANY..) do not. Advantage?
Well employment visas, education visas would not be necessary.
Also in some cases nationality bestowed unto your children.

France permits it, the down side is that your 'other' citizenship may require
that you fulfil military service, or worse, taxes ;(

Still being a Canadian with two passports (on E.C.) is nice when you travel
into Europe, gets rid of the long wait at Heathrow! But thats a minor point.
The way education costs are going here its great to be able to qualify
for a EuroEducation...

robert

victoria BC Canada

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,sci.econ,talk.politics.misc,can.politics
From: srikant@skorpio.usask.ca (Srikant Subramaniam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Career Opportunities ads in major Canadian newspapers
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:49:34 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: skorpio.usask.ca

I would like to on what days of the week do the major Canadian newspapers
carry the  Career Opportunities ads ? (I know the Globe and Mail carries these
ads on Mon/Wed/Fri, but I'm not sure about the others ...)

-- 
Srikant Subramaniam.
srikant@cs.usask.ca 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: apdolan@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (dolan andrew)
Subject: interracial relationships in canada
Summary: interracial relationships in canada
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:36:02 GMT
Keywords: interracial relationships in canada


Does anyone know of any good sources of written information
about interracial marriage and dating in canada. I am primarily
interested in white/black relationships, black women/white men,
as those have been my own principal type of relationships, 
but am also interested in rleationships between other groups.
If you know of any interracial dating services, church social groups,
etc. I would also be interested, as well as in any personal stories
one might have. For those interested in such in the usa, there are
two principal sources that I have come across:[books]

"Black and White Mixed Marriages" Ernest Porterfield

"Marriage Across the Color Line" Larsson

You can contact me at  apdolan@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: warkent@ltisun14.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Questions au sujet de l'independance du Quebec.
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:40:09 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne---Laboratoire de
	Teleinformatique
In-reply-to: operet@griffin.emba.uvm.edu's message of 27 Jan 93 17:24:47 GMT

>  [...] j'aimerais savoir les consequences geogra-
> phiques et  sur l'environnement associees a un Quebec independant.

Si le Quebec devient independant, on va enlever les clous qui l'attachent
au continent pour le permettre de se deplacer vers le sud, afin
d'arriver quelque part dans le golfe de Mexique.  Un fois anchre
dans sa nouvelle position, les Etats Unis lui cederont la Floride et
une partie de Louisiana qui se joindront quelque part a l'ouest
de Hull.  En meme temps, le Canada va profiter de l'absence du Quebec
pour deplacer l'Alberta vers l'est, ou cette province peut enfin jouer
des pouvoirs centraux qu'elle n'a cesse de reclamer dupuis des
annees.

> J'aimerais
> egalement savoir s'il y a lieu de conflit dans l'etablissement d'une carte
> geographique delimitant une republique du Quebec.

Ca alors!  Voici une boite de vers que je n'aimerais pas rouvrir.

PS: Eugene, comme tu vas sans doute recevoir beaucoup de reponses
tres serieuses, je me suis permis cette petite plaisanterie.
--
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                 Laboratoire de Teleinformatique, EPFL, Suisse.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: thierry@dxcern.cern.ch (Thierry Bogey)
Subject: Trois jours a Montreal. Que faire ???
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Distribution: World
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:36:34 GMT


Je serai pour trois jours a Montreal (les 6 7 et 8 Mars) alors je suis a
la recherche de tous les bons conseils afin d' utiliser au mieux ce temps
precieux.

	 Merci de me repondre par mail (thierry@dxcern.cern.ch)

P.S. la carte de credit VISA est elle acceptee courament ?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: gds@ikura.cs.uct.ac.za (Riel Smit)
Subject: Re: Urban Angel returns to CBS (Letterman and "Crimetime ...)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 08:08:21 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town

Gary L Dare writes
> 
> A pleasant surprise when I got home tonight ... CBC's "Urban Angel"
> (set in an oddly non-French Montreal (-;) is on a double-bill 

> (Spoilers)
> Vincent's girlfriend is pregnant.  Meanwhile, the leader of a
> motorcycle gang that Vince has infiltrated has been set up in
> a truck heist.

>Can someone up north tell us if this was a new one or a repeat?

Nah, it must be old :-)  It showed here two weeks ago and we never see them so  
close to their first showing in North America. 
--
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