HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: WaxMan blows away GnuChess 3.21
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:36:14 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

WaxMan 1.2w vs. GnuChess 3.21 for Windows

Game #1 (5 points for victory)

Running under Windows 3.1 on a 386/DX50

40 moves/30 minutes

GnuChess White, WaxMan Black

1.  e2-e4  e7-e6
2.  d2-d4  d7-d5
3. Nb1-c3 Ng8-f6
4. Bc1-g5  d5xd4
5. Nc3xe4 Nb8-c6
6. Bg5xf6  g7xf6
7. Bf1-b5 Rh8-g8
8. Qd1-f3 Bf8-b4+
9.  c2-c3 Bb4-e7
10. Bb5xc6+  b7xc6
11. Ng1-e2 Ke8-f8
12. Qf3-h3 Ra8-b8
13. Ra1-b1 Rg8-g7
14. Qh3-f3 Qd8-d5
15. O-O    Qd5xa2
16. Ne4xf6 Rb8xb2
17. Rb1xb2 Qa2xb2
18. Ne2-g3 Bc8-a6
19. Rf1-e1 Be7xf6
20. Qf3xf6 Rg7-g6
21. Qf6-d8+ Kf8-g7
22. Re1-d1 Ba6-e2
23. Ng3xe2 Qb2xe2
24. Rd1-a1 Qe2-b2  (... Q-f3?)
25. Ra1-d1 Qb2-c2
26. Rd1-f1 Qc2xc3
27. Qd8xc7 Qc3xd4
28. Qc7xc6 e6-e5
29. Qc6-e8 Rg6-f6
30. Qe8-e7 e5-e4
31. Qe7-c7 Rf6-d6
32. Rf1-e1 Kg7-g6
33. Qc7-e7 Kg6-g7  (It's over for GnuChess)
34. Re1xe4 Qd4xe4
35. Qe7-g5+ Rd6-g6
36. Qg5xg6+ h7xg6
37. Kg1-f1 Qe4-b1+
38. Kf1-e2 Qb1-g1
39. g2-g3  Qg1xh2
40. Ke2-f3 a7-a5
41. Kf3-e4 Qh2xf2
42. g3-g4  a5-a4
43. Ke4-e5 a4-a3
44. Ke5-d5 a3-a2
45. Kd5-e5 a2-a1Q+ (Ho hum)
46. Ke5-d6 Qf2-d4+
47. Kd6-c6 Qa1-a8+
48. Kc6-b5 Qa8-a4 mate

     0    -    1


Next Game tomorrow or thursday

-Garrett


Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hsieh@math.toronto.edu (Paul Hsieh)
Subject: Chess programmer's magazine (and some chess too!)
Keywords: chess programming, sicilian
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Toronto
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 13:09:58 GMT

A little while ago somebody posted an advertisment for a chess programmer's
magazine.  However, my newsfeed doesn't have the article anymore.  Could
that person (or anyone else who knows about this magazine) please repost it
or send it to me via e-mail?

Thanks in advance.

Oh, yes, and I might as well post some chess.  Here's neat trap I found while
playing KID on the ICS:

KID-qed
1. e5 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cd 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 e6 6. Be3 Nc6 7. f4 Be7
8. Qf3 O-O 9. O-O-O Nxd4 10. Bxd4? e5 11. fe Bg4 12. Qg3 de 13. Bxe5 Bxd1

This trap is SO good in fact that I managed to pull it on him twice in two
days.  :)

Black is up the exchange and in a reasonable position.  :)  What I would like
to know, since I am just learning the sicilian, is all of this reasonable for
black?  If white is smart and doesn't get tricked like above, I usually find
my positions really cramped and hard to play, which is why I believe that the
way that I am playing it may be suspect.  Any comments would be appreciated.

Paul Hsieh (qed)
email: hsieh@math.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: jswartz@mbunix.mitre.org (Swartz)
Subject: Re: Harper Challenged!
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 13:19:18 GMT

In article <1ht9ajINNk0v@life.ai.mit.edu> joltman@cookie-crisp.ai.mit.edu (T. Andy Frakes) writes:
>
>This is getting a little ridiculous.  What's the tie-breaker going to be?
>A pissing contest?
>

Sounds like it already is a pissing contest . . .


-- 
--JOHN A. SWARTZ---The MITRE Corporation---Bedford, Massachusetts--
   "Just call me Desdinova - I'm sure to be the lucky one
   when destiny assigns wisdom - known to me, this starry wisdom . . .
   I am the one you warned me of"                     Blue Oyster Cult
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mem@world.std.com (Jeff Lesser)
Subject: Re: Janowski Defense
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:30:04 GMT

spin@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Jeremy Spinrad) writes:



>   The Janowski variation of the queen's gambit declined runs as follows:
>1. P-Q4 P-Q4 2. P-QB4 P-K3 3. N-QB3 P-QR3.
>   The idea is that black threatens PxP, and after the recapture will play
>... P-QN4 and develop the QB on QN2. The line recommended by Horowitz for white
>is 4. PxP! PxP 5. B-B4 N-KB3 6. P-K3 B-Q3 7. BxB QxB 8. B-Q3 +/-. On the
>other hand, Tartakower and DuMont give the same moves through move 7, and
>end with the comment that black has avoided all danger.

>   On my own, I tend to agree with both assessments. White seems to have a
>slight edge based on development, but black has no real weaknesses and a
>free game. This would seem to make the Janowski an excellent choice against
>a higher rated player; black has good drawing chances, and there
>are far fewer tricky sidelines to know than most openings. In the past, I
>have played the Slav vs. high rated players, and often end up in far worse 
>looking positions from the opening. Psychologically, the Janowski has the
>advantage of surprise and getting to an open game against a QP player who
>may prefer closed games.
>   However, the Janowski (essentially) never appears in modern play, and was
>rare enough in the old days as well. Is the final position that bad for black,
>or is there an alternative line which refutes the Janowski?
>   By the way, I would like to publicly thank Mark Ginsburg for taking the
>time to respond to my strange opening questions. 

>Jerry Spinrad


How about 4.a4?  Is this any good?


Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: pope@vatican.kpc.com (John Pope)
Subject: Re: 1 BOOK ONLY
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:52:24 GMT

(Jay Whitley) writes:
> Your personal chess library is being confiscated and taken away
> forever.  You are allowed to keep 1 BOOK ONLY.  Which chess book do
> you keep and why?

They will pry "1234 Endgame Studies" by Lommer and Sutherland from my
cold, dead fingers. For sheer beauty per page, it can't be beat. Of
course, if I can I will have my run of Schachmatny Bulletin bound into
a single huge volume, which would give me about 100,000 games to
study. Failing that, I will stuff "Zurich 1953" by Bronstein under my
shirt, etc, etc...

--
John Pope
pope@kpc.com
Kubota Pacific Computers, Inc.
(408) 987-3362
From: jmh@athena.mit.edu (J Michael Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: 2267 Performance Rating for 10-year old in Montreal
Date: 4 Jan 93 12:21:40 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan3.203125.2156@cis.uab.edu> sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan) writes:
>In article <1993Jan3.150252.22412@athena.mit.edu> jmh@athena.mit.edu (J Michael Hammond) writes:
>From the December 1992 Annual Rating List:
>
>James Franklin Wheat (14) is currently listed as 2063*x2, number 11 on the
>Top Age 13-14 list.
>
>Erin E Wheat (12) is currently listed as 1510*C9, number 45 on the Top
>Age 11-12 list.
>
>
>>...Back in
>>1990 they both played regularly at the chess club in Minneapolis, I
>>think Jamie was nine and Erin seven[....]

Oh, whoops -- I was off by two or three.  That's kind of an important
two or three though, isn't it..
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mkukkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Mika Kukkonen)
Subject: Re: Robatch Defense -- any ideas?
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 08:11:40 GMT

In <C0M1Bv.HFv@panix.com> gaillard@panix.com (Ed Gaillard) writes:

>mkukkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Mika Kukkonen) writes:
(...)
>>So 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.c4! (In my opinion this is most critical, as the
>>point in Pirc is to prevent white getting this wide center.) 3.-d6 4.Nc3
>>Nc6 (Othe lines are either too passive or allow white a transposition to
>>King's Indian) 5.d5! (Formerly thought good for black) 5.-Nd4 6.Be3 c5
>>7.Nge2 Qb6 8.Nxd4! cxd4 9.Na4 and now:
>
>>9.-Qa5+ 10.Bd2 Qc7 11.c5! dxc5 12.Bb5+ Bd7 13.Bxd7+ Qxd7 14.Nxc5 +=,
>>Seirawan - Keene, 1982
>
>The critical line here is 11....Nf6 12.Bb5+ Bd7 13.c6 bc6 14.dc6
>Be6 15.Qc2 O-O 16.O-O d5 (Danailov-Garkov, Bulgaria 1984) "with a
>very double-edged position" according to Nunn.

Yes, looks that way, but why check on b5, as the free c-pawn looks more
like a weakness than an assett. How about 12.Qc2!? bxc5 13.Rc1 b6 14.b4 ?

>This fragment is in the notes to game 69 of Informant 38, stopping at
>the 16th move as above.  Does anyone have the further score of this
>game, or any later games with this line?  Going through the
>Informants, I noticed that since 1984, there are no games with 8.Nxd4;
>only 8.Na4 seems to get played.  I don't know how much significance to
>attach to that.  I've played the 4....Nc6 line myself in postal and
>OTB games for about 4 years; only once has anyone played 5.d5 (and he
>played the 8.Na4 line).  I'm not sure what that means, either.

BCO gives 8.Na4 Qa5+ 9.Bd2 Qa6 10.Nxd4 "+=", which must be a joke, as
after 10.-cxd4 11.c5 only way to save queen is 11.-b5. What is the real
main line in 8.Na4 ?

>I think the critical line in the 3.c4 d6 4.Nc3 Nc6 Modern is 5.Be3 e5 6.d5
>Nce7 7.g4! The book "main line" is 7....f5, but it is bad (see
>Nunn's book for the analysis).  I've only faced 7.g4 once, in a
>postal game, and I tried Schlenker's suggestion of 7....a6, but
>after 8.h4! h6 9.Bh3 c6 10.Qa4 Bd7 11.Qb4 Qb8 Black's position
>was dismal (although I eventually won).  Nunn's book suggests
>that 7....c5 might be good, but after 8.dc6 (Schlenker) bc6 9.Be2
>I don't see how Black is going to develop his Kingside.  7....Nf6
>8.g5 Nd7 9.h4 h5 10.gh6 also seems to leave Black in an awkward
>state.  Any suggestions?

BCO gives 7.-Nf6! 8.g5! Nd7 (8.-Nh5!?) 9.h4 h5 10.gxh6 Bxh6 11.Bxh6 Rxh6
12.Qd2 unclear

Mika
-- 
Mika Kukkonen = Mika.Kukkonen@Helsinki.FI
Trying to learn to live in Helsinki University of Computer Science.
"I am studying, so I am, or am I (studying)?"
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mem@world.std.com (Jeff Lesser)
Subject: Re: Knights Tour
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:27:09 GMT

anderson@skylitskylit.dseg.ti.com () writes:


>Can the knights tour be completed starting from any square on a regular
>8x8 chess board.

Well, since a knight's tour can end on the same square it starts on, it
can be thought of as a loop, so it can start on any square.

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: bob@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Bob Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: Help!  Chess game in Blade Runner
Organization: Computer Systems Laboratory, Stanford University
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:02:05

In article <HCN.93Jan6152638@calvin.inesc.pt> hcn@calvin.inesc.pt
(Horacio Neto) writes: 

   In article <11592@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au (Murray
   Chapman) writes: 

      Hi there

      I'm writing the FAQ file for the movie "Blade Runner".  In this
      Imovie, there s a chess game, which probably mirrors the actions
      Iof the characters in the
      story.

      (stuff deleted)

	      The moves are:

		      Sebastian:      Queen to Bishop 6 check

		      Tyrell:         Knight takes Queen

		      Sebastian (with Roy's help):
				      Bishop to King 7 checkmate


   A game that fits the description above is the famous "Immortal game",
   played in London in 1851:

   Anderssen,Adolf-Kieseritzky,L
   London, 1851
   1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4 Qh4+ 4.Kf1 b5 5.Bxb5 Nf6 6.Nf3 Qh6 7.d3 Nh5 8.Nh4 
   Qg5 9.Nf5 c6 10.g4 Nf6 11.Rg1 cxb5 12.h4 Qg6 13.h5 Qg5 14.Qf3 Ng8 15.Bxf4 
   Qf6 16.Nc3 Bc5 17.Nd5 Qxb2 18.Bd6 Qxa1+ 19.Ke2 Bxg1 20.e5 Na6 21.Nxg7+ 
   Kd8 22.Qf6+ Nxf6 23.Be7+ 1-0

The problem I have with the Blade Runner chess game is that it does
not make any sense (whatever the score of the full game is intended to
be, although the Anderssen-Kieseritsky game is doubtless intended) in
the context of the movie.

Tyrell is supposedly a good player.  Yet, in playing a game with
Sebastian he arrives at a position where he can be mated in two with
checks by Sebastian.  Sebastian could not have arrived at such a
position without outplaying Tyrell, and in that case, he would
definitely not have needed Roy's help to finish Tyrell off.

- Bob
From: pope@vatican.kpc.com (John Pope)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Request Book Recommendations
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:55:16 GMT
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc.

(Randall Julian) writes:
>   I am a beginner, and I've made great strides playing over the games in 
>   "Logical Chess...".  But recently I got "How to Think Ahead in Chess",
>   by Horowitz and Renfield (sp?).
>
> I wonder what more advanced players think of books like this ?  It
> seems to have helped me win more games, but I wonder about the long
> term effect.  I know that some of these lines have been refuted at
> master level play, but what effect does that have on someone who wants
> to get to 'A' level (from 0) ?

I wouldn't worry about refuted lines too much.  Getting the principles
is way more important. Between that and studying tactics in "cheapo"
books like "1001 Chess Sacrifices and Combinations" by Reinfeld, you
should have the important bases covered. How far you go depends on how
well you assimilate all that stuff.

> I have another question related to studying: I get a book, like
> "Logical Chess..." or recently "My 60 Memorable Games", and I get out
> a little magnetic set and play over the games writing the score in
> algebraic and trying to write some comment about what I think is going
> on, then I look at what the book says and try to see what I did wrong.
> This takes FOREVER !

Nimzovich wrote that when he was rated at around ELO 2000, he would
spend 5 to 6 hours studying a single game.

> I know there is no "Kings Road" in Chess but am I wasting time ?

Not at all. In fact, there is a Kings Road and you are already on
it - studying games and trying to figure out what is going on is
exactly what it takes to get better.

--
John Pope
pope@kpc.com
Kubota Pacific Computers, Inc.
(408) 987-3362
From: rryan@panix.com (Rob Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Timman-Short, game 2, in progress
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:57:03 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

I don't have the moves yet, but at last report, Short was in considerable
time trouble, having on 20 minutes left after 25 moves (the first time
control is 2 hours for 40 moves).  Timman had 45 minutes left.


-- 
 Rob Ryan
    rryan@panix.com
From: mgrant@fedeast.Sun.COM (Michael Grant - SE - SunFed Washington DC)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: looking for chesstool for Sun
Date: 12 Jan 1993 00:21:36 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc., Vienna, VA. 
NNTP-Posting-Host: fedeast-gw.east.sun.com
Keywords: chesstool, xchess, gnuchess

Can anyone point me at a working "chesstool" for the Sun which runs
under X?  I have tried xchess and can't get it to compile without
adding obsolete libraries or severe hacking.  Gnuchess looks like a
smart chess program, but it depends on xchess as it's graphical
interface.  Thanx in advance.

Please reply directly to me: mgrant@east.sun.com

Michael Grant
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: dogali@hsi.com (Terry Dogali)
Subject: chess set purchase
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:20:35 GMT

While in New York City during the holidays, a friend and I went into
a store.  He spotted a chess set by Mascot Direct.  It was a Sherlock Holmes
set with a cherry board.  The chess set was mark $2500.   The sales lady
said she would give to my friend for $850.  When I asked to see the paperwork
on it she said everything was in the box.   She said this was a great buy.
She was willing to eat the tax and shipping.  Since I do not play chess or
know nothing about collector sets I told my friend to look around.  The sales
lady told he will never get this buy anywhere else.   Does anyone know 
what a good chess set goes for and a maker we should look for.  Any 
information would be greatly appreciated.    

Thanks 

Terry Dogali


-- 
Terry Dogali                                           dogali@hsi.com
3M Health Information Systems
From: Jeff Boyd <BOYDJ@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: RE: CHESS-L vs ZARKOV
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:16:00 GMT
Organization: Chessnews list (chessnews-request@tssi.com)
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.unl.edu



Tim <MCGREW@WSUVMS1.BITNET> wrote:
>  Okay, 1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5.  At this point I vote 3 e5, setting up a pawn
>  structure I doubt the computer will be well equipped to deal with.


Didn't you mean "... I doubt WE will be well equipped to deal with."?

And for that reason I also vote for 3.e5, being a freak who perversely
enjoys playing tactical chess from positional horrors.


jeff
From: marcelk@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Marcel van Kervinck)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Timman-Short game 2: Timman wins (game)
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:16:38 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.

# Short - Timman
# El Escorial 1993
# (2)
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 O-O
9.h3 Bb7 10.d4 Re8 11.Nbd2 Bf8 12.Bc2 Nb8 13.a4 Nbd7 14.Bd3 c6 15.b3 g6
16.Qc2 Bg7 17.Bb2 Qc7 18.Rad1 Rac8 19.Qb1 Nh5 20.Bf1 bxa4 21.bxa4 d5 22.Qa2
Rcd8 23.Rc1 Bh6 24.exd5 cxd5 25.c4 e4 26.cxd5 Qf4 27.Rb1 exf3 28.Rxe8+ Rxe8
29.Nxf3 Qf5 30.Bc4 Nf4 31.Bc1 Bxd5 32.Bxd5 Nxd5
# 0-1
# 1:52 1:40

--
Marcel van Kervinck
marcelk@stack.urc.tue.nl
Lines: 23
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 93 08:32:17 MST
From: jensen@baloo.ee.byu.edu (Curtis Jensen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: PC chess program recommendations sought


>   I will be travelling for awhile and will have the use of a Dauphin 1050 
>   (386-SX) laptop with Windows 3.1, 4 Meg of memory and 100 Mb hard disk.
>
>   Question:  if you had <= $70 to spend on a chess program to run on the
>   above platform, what program would you choose?  I need to know in a
>   hurry, so any recommendations would be appreciated!
>
>   Regards,
>
>   -- 
>
>   Will Bralick			          Speaking _only_ for myself.
>
>   Standard disclaimers apply.            Void where prohibitted by law.

My recommendation is a non-windows product - Grandmaster Chess.  I
purchaced it for about $35(US) and it is much more user friendly that
CM3000 for windows.  CM3000 still has a few bugs in Windows 3.1.  Also
GMChess plays a stronger game of chess and will provide a challenge
for longer that CM3000.

Curtis Jensen
Organization: Johannes Kepler University Linz - Computing Center
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 10:43:06 CET
From: <K3006E7@ALIJKU11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Should r.g.c be split?
 <1993Jan11.070048.14078@riscsm.scripps.edu>
 <1993Jan11.192708.4411@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>

I think the reaction to net vandalism is not to create a proliferation
of more and more newsgroups.
1) This rewards the vandal by getting the kind of response and reaction
   he or she sought in the first place.
2) The large amount of public pressure by the rest of the readership
   seemed to be rather successful so far.
3) Creation of subgroups does not mean that people will stop posting
   non-chess-related, obnoxious messages to these subgroups also.
4) It is rather straightforward to create a kill file.
5) Finally, cross-posting and the like will only cost more in net traffic
   and disk space around the world.

I see the exact discussion come up in EVERY group I have read regularly
on the net (e.g., comp.binaries.ibm.pc). Unless we have moderation, and
also a "crap" group on top of that, I really doubt splitting r.g.c. is
the solution.
From: rh@smds.com (Richard Harter)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Results of the great match
Date: 5 Jan 93 06:15:48 GMT
Reply-To: rh@ishmael.UUCP (Richard Harter)
Organization: Software Maintenance & Development Systems, Inc.

I have been following this urbane, sophisticated, and highly edifying
discussion with great interest.  I am reminded mightily of the
discussions leading up to the Steinitz-Zukertort match.

What most people do not realize is that the great match has already
been played and that all parties involved are trying to hide the fact.
However I have some preliminary results with notes from the players
(names concealed)


1.	g2-g4

White:  I decided to spike the guns of this pretentious nerd from the
very beginning.

Black:  An unsound attack -- his chess positions resemble his usenet
postings.

1.	...	d7-d5

White:  The usual counter, threatening the g pawn.

Black:  Development with a threat, how juicy.

2.	f2-f3

White:  A psychological ploy.  This move prepares for a hedgehog
defense followed by a king side break.  It also guards the g pawn
and controls e4 from the flank.

Black:  Another pawn move without development.

2	...	e7-e5

White:  Unimaginative center pawn pushes characteristic of defective
personalities obsessed with the romantic open game.

Black:  White has ceded the center and has no development.  Black has
a won game at this point.

3.	c2-c3

White:  A star move!  This move puts pressure on d4, indirectly
attacking the king side.  It also is an integral part of the hedge
hog pattern.

Black:  Pointless.  As long as he is going to play a flanking game
he should fiancetto on the queen side.

3.	...	c7-c5

White:  This pawn push is premature.  However black has his problems
developing the king side.  g8-f6 is met by pushing the g pawn, followed
by h2-h4 and king side castling is untenable for black.  g8-e7 blocks
the bishop.  The natural squares for the bishop are c5 and b4 but
these are taken away by the pawn at c3.

Black:  A star move! The key point in the center is d4.  This move
brings an extra pawn to bear on the square.  King side development
would be premature since it is not yet clear on which side black
should castle.

	...	....

And so on and so forth.  I understand that the game went on for
63 moves and was a draw by stalemate.

-- 
Richard Harter: SMDS Inc.  Net address: rh@smds.com Phone: 508-369-7398 
US Mail: SMDS Inc., PO Box 555, Concord MA 01742.    Fax: 508-369-8272
In the fields of Hell where the grass grows high
Are the graves of dreams allowed to die.
From: sla@mimsy.umd.edu (Steve Armentrout)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Splitting rec.games.chess
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:57:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

I was pleasantly surprised to discover that a few of the readers of r.g.c
are actually interested in chess.  These few have suggested that the newsgroup
be split so that chess postings can be disentangled from the rest.  I support
this idea and want to see that some action be taken.  I'm unfamiliar with the
procedure required for such a split, so I'm asking that someone either initiate
the process, or supply me with the necessary information to do so.

Thanks,
Steve Armentrout, USCF Expert
From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: this has got to stop
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:37:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1ial8vINNatr
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In article <1993Jan4.164315.816@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>In article <1i9tfvINNcim@shelley.u.washington.edu>, monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan ) writes:
>> In article <1hvtvbINNgti@agate.berkeley.edu> jeff@emily10.Berkeley.EDU (Jeffrey C. Ely) writes:
>>>
>>>Please, everybody just ignore this asshole.
>> 
>> I could not have put more eloquently.
>
>Well,if you consider THAT eloquent, it is a good thing you didn't try!

el-o-quent, adj., 1. Persuasive, fluent, and graceful in discourse;
                  2. Vividly or movingly expressive.


You will notice, this definition says nothing about volume, apparently the
ONLY criteria you would apply :)


[My apologies for posting here, but when one ignores one's e-mail...]
From: sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Keep it up and I will come back!
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:04:10 GMT
Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham

In article <1ifnp8INNgkr@life.ai.mit.edu> joltman@cookie-crisp.ai.mit.edu (T. Andy Frakes) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.202400.4057@cis.uab.edu>, sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan) writes:
> ...
>|> Actually, the best evidence is that precisely *one* human can beat
>|> Chinook.
>|> ...
>Make that "...at least one human..."

No.  I meant it as written.  I believe that the evidence supports the
conclusion that Tinsley is the *only* human who can beat Chinook.

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