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From: nawrocki@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (PaulBear)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: A dream of import...
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:47:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

This is my first post to alt.dreams...but I have been reading some of your
critiques of dreams and was wondering if any of you would offer input
on this dream I had when I was younger (say 12 or 13)...


I'm standing on a heath, covered in grass which is surrounded by a dense
white pure fog.  All I can see is the hill I'm standing on drop off into the 
mist on either side of me, and a clear path in front of me.  I also notice
that I'm wearing a sort of one piece garment (a robe?) that is all white.

Feeling the need to press on I move forward, and before I know it I have
moved to the front of a very beautiful Greek/Roman style building of the
purist white marble and beautifully architechtured (corinthean columns, the
works).  I go inside the build and step into a huge hall.  The floor is of
polished brown marble and there are two wings on either side of the main hall.  Plus there is a
large hall of the same sort of grandeur perpendicular to the hall I'm in
which goes off to who knows where.  I'm curious, but I know where I'm going.
I go into the left wing and approach an altar with a small kneeler/pedistal
in front of it and a scale (like the one lady justice holds) on top of it.
Looking closely at the scale I see over one dish is the symbol of the sun
over the other is the symbol of a lightning bolt.

I step up onto the pedistal object and watch the scale.  With nothing added
to either dish, the lightning-bolt dish drops down and I have a HUGE 
feeling as if I've been judged..

Reverently I walk outside, and now where the mist used to be is a beautiful
landscape of grecian homes built of pure white marble, and people milling 
about on the hillsides.  I decide to return, and then..aI awaken....


...

Now I have my own interpretations of this dream and it has stayed with me 
these last 7 years in vivid detail(I havent ever had it again...I simply
remember it)...I amn interested in hearing what you all have to think about it....

Thank ye,

  Don

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Doer of good deeds....
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From: jpaavola@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Dream about news system
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:35:03 GMT

I saw a funny dream last night. All that I can remember
is that the only way I could move from one place to
another in my dream was via the 'newssystem' i.e. to
go back to the list of 'newsgroups' and choose one of
them.

Have I been reading too much news?  ;-)


Johanna
From: mccau002@acpub.duke.edu (Gary McCauley)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Problems with lucid dreaming.
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:11:57 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <mcline.1162@terapin.com> mcline@terapin.com (Matthew Cline) writes:
>
>        I'm having some trouble with lucid dreaming.  It seems that whenever I
>realize that I'm in a dream I either: 1) Start thinking about the dream, which
>wakes me up, or 2) I think that, since I'm sleeping, I should wake up, and I
>do.  Is there any teqnique that allows yourself to think in your dream without
>waking up?  And for problem number two, how do I get my dream self to realize
>that I should enjoy the dream rather than wake up.
>        While on lucid dreams, I had a strange experience this morning.  I was
>having a non-lucid dream, but while in it I woke myself up as if I realized it
>was a dream.  I don't know why I did this, as it was a very enjoyable dream.  I
>would very much apreciate any help on staying asleep while I have lucid dreams.
>
>Matthew Cline



	This is my first time to post to a news group, so please excuse
	and ignore anything erroneous.

	I just stumbled across this group today and am delighted to find
	lucid dreamers with which to share my experiences.

	I have been having lucid dreams for nearly 5 years and have at times
	been quite concerted in my efforts and practice and other times
	very passive, letting them occur as fate.

	When really working at it, though, one thing I believe helps is
	having a goal before you sleep, i.e., what are you going to do
	once you become lucid (by the way, I was having lucid dreams before
	I heard the term "lucid" and had been using the term "aware" in
	my journal where I was recording them). I believe if you have not
	"suggested" to yourself what you would like to do once you become
	aware in your dream, then the very nature of lucidity can overwhelm
	you and basically startle you awake.

	Something I have been working on for years which was inspired by my
	readings of Carlos Castaneda (another topic for heated discussion) is
	trying to look at my hands in my lucid dream, and I mean really look
	at them, trying to focus clearly on them. I would be interested in
	hearing from anyone else who has tried similar things.

	I look forward to further discourse.

	Gary McCauley
From: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Richard Beckett)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:40:23 GMT
Subject: Prison Dream
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Labs, Bristol, UK
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Reply-To: rik@hplb.hpl.hp.com

	Hi Dreamers,

	At last, it's beginning to happen !!
	Over the past few days I've gradually been remembering more of my 
	dreams, starting with vague impressions and gradually getting clearer
	up to last night, when I remember details, and think I became lucid.
	
	I don't remember why, but I'd done something and was likely to be sent
	to prison for it. Then for some reason I was writing a cheque out to
	this security guard (standard large company type). He then read my 
	cheque, compared the name to his list, realised who I was, and told
	his partner to stop me. His partner then pulled a gun, but fumbled
	it really badly, and I remember thinking "Damn, could have got away !"
	They detained me, and the one who I wrote the cheque to set fire
	to my cheque book and card. Again I thought "What a fool, I should
	have used cash !" There were other details, but the main gist is 
	that I kept on missing opportunities to escape. Later in the dream
	my girlfriend was taking me to the prison, and I started to become
	panicky and frightened. 
	I had had a gradual feeling that I was dreaming from the point where
	I was writing the cheque. I mean why was I writing it to a security
	guard ?? So when panick started to set in I had come to the conclusion
	that I _was_ dreaming, and I think I became lucid, becuase I said to 
	myself "OK I've had enough, this is becoming a nightmare, I will now
	slowly and gently wake up, none of this sudden starting awake business"
	and I felt the dream melt slowly away, conciousness eased in, I opened
	my eyes and was awake. Then I closed them again, went straight off
	to sleep and started dreaming something else (but I don't remember
	what).
	Did I really awake ?
	
	A quick aside for you. I've made a point of doing regular reality 
	checks, although I didn't make any during tha dream. However, this
	morning I was just getting into the shower, when I noticed something
	out of the corner of my eye on the tiles. I looked and saw a piece of 
	paper, like a soap label (sometimes I stick them on the tiles when
	they come off the soap and forget to remove them for a few days). 
	I looked away to do a reality check, and when I looked back it had 
	gone !! This frightened the life out of me - I couldn't POSSIBLY be
	dreaming ! The damned thing turned out to be a moth. Phew !

	Cheers,


		RIK


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From: pv@gagme.chi.il.us (Paul Vader)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Perverse Lucidity
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:18:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Inline Software Creations
Originator: pv@gagme

mike.mcaulay@spacebbs.com (Mike Mcaulay) Writes:
>PV>I have no idea what "disease or unbalance in the psyche" means. How about
>PV>spicy food, tangled blankets, or stress?

>Those are all possibilities, yes.  Note however that they are all "symptoms
>of dis-ease."  As for "disease or unbalance in the psyche," think of mental
>illness and (your example) stress.

I suppose, but aren't most of them pretty trivial? Do I have to go for
analysis because I don't always tuck myself in right?

> Well, you and I disagree here.  I believe that a nightmare (in the sense
>of a dream that is *subjectively unpleasant*) is *always* an indication of
>dis-ease somewhere in the organism.  It is an imagistic expression of the
>body's primal self-awareness.  This is my *theory*, and I don't even have a
>relevent degree after my name, so feel free to apply grains of salt
>liberally.  But it works for me.
>
"Imagistic expression of the body's primal self-awareness?" Can we speak
English and not pseudoscience please? I've often heard the argument that
some treatment *works* (like Chiropractic, for example), so it doesn't
matter whether the theory makes sense. A few questions: 1) What is primal
self-awareness? 2) What is the mechanism by which it is deposited in our
minds and affects our experience of reality? 3) What purpose does it serve?
4) Is it the simplest explanation for how dreams work? 5) Does it help a bad
back? PV

-- 
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Rollerblader, and ex-zen poet | for first-degree murderers." -- Spy, #409
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Subject: Important, Re: pre-CFV for OBE newsgroup
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:45:42 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

sorry--i should have made it clearer: please don't send in any votes until
tuesday; things may change before then.

i'll keep you posted (pun intended)

Jude
From: mcsdc1jcwj@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: RE : PRISON DREAM
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:18:23 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

Well , I was interested by the prison dream .

Reality checks are a bit of a useful thing in that I have to make reference to

them during particularly lucid dreams . Anyway here's a favourite dream to 

illustrate a point .

I dreamt that I was sleeping and that I woke up , got dressed and went for

breakfast . I had my usual bowl of Shreddies (they're great folks. Hello there

to Nabisco. Any chance of a backhander for advertising??) and I wandered out

to get the bus for college . I got on the bus and sat down . I had been sitting

there for a couple of minutes when I woke up . I woke up and got out of bed and

thought Wow! , what a lucid dream . I then went downstairs and had breakfast .

Shreddies ! . And I went and got on the bus . I had just sat down when I woke

up . Bloody hell , I thought , this is getting freaky . I got out of bed and

I went down for breakfast . Toast . Well , Shreddies (tm) actually . Then I

woke up . On the bus . I decied that this had better be reality and so I went 

around punching walls all day just to check . At what point had I got on the

bus ?? Had I got on the bus , fallen asleep and dreamt about getting up again

and then woken up for real ? Or had I sleepwalked out to the bus ?

AAAAAAAAArgh !

My favourite dream ever . A bit freaky and I've never been able to duplicate it

A tip for lucid dreaming . Wait until you're almost asleep and then pop a 

couple of caffeine tablets . You'll be asleep by the time that they act and so

you'll get heightened consciousness .

Oh and one last thing . Try holding a glass of water in your hand and going to

sleep . I won't tell you what happens .  
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From: KHATCH@130.187.170.178 (kh)
Subject: Re: Problems with lucid dreaming.
Organization: Terra Incognita
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:01:11 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <4688@news.duke.edu> mccau002@acpub.duke.edu writes:

> 	When really working at it, though, one thing I believe helps is
> 	having a goal before you sleep, i.e., what are you going to do
> 	once you become lucid (by the way, I was having lucid dreams before
> 	I heard the term "lucid" and had been using the term "aware" in
> 	my journal where I was recording them). I believe if you have not
> 	"suggested" to yourself what you would like to do once you become
> 	aware in your dream, then the very nature of lucidity can overwhelm
> 	you and basically startle you awake.

    I think this is excellent advice. I have been doing this since I began 
lucid dreaming about a year ago. You can gain a good deal of insight about the 
do's and don'ts of your dream world.

> 	Something I have been working on for years which was inspired by my
> 	readings of Carlos Castaneda (another topic for heated discussion) is
> 	trying to look at my hands in my lucid dream, and I mean really look
> 	at them, trying to focus clearly on them. I would be interested in
> 	hearing from anyone else who has tried similar things.

    I've done this several times.  I never have trouble finding my hands but
like the rest of my dream body, they only seem to be there if I make a
conscious effort to see them.  Looking at my hands doesn't seem to have a
direct effect on the quality of the dream as others have claimed, but in going
over my journal I have found a few interesting consistencies. When I look at
my hands, the ambient light always seems very low.  I often encounter a green
glow shortly after seeing my hands.  I am usually impressed by the extreme
detail and realism of their appearance. Once I even made a goal of checking to
see if my wedding ring was there in a lucid dream (I take it off when I go to
bed). It was. 

-kh
From: star@ut-emx.uucp (Susan Catharine Starrett)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: 19 August dream I
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:27:20 GMT



Dream Life:
A friend and I were at his house when a party was obviously starting
up in the house behind his. He immediately got mad and stormed off
toward the house to get them to stop. I ran after him, pleading for
him to stop because I knew he would get violent. I ran back to his 
house to call the police when I realized I didn't have a key to get in.

Real Life:
I woke up because of a cat scratching to be let in and noticed, when
I opened the door, that the house behind mine had loud music playing. I
went back to bed when I heard yelling, which turned out to be the police
trying to wake up my neighbor who was sleeping with the loud music 
blaring away.
From: star@ut-emx.uucp (Susan Catharine Starrett)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: 18 August dream
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:11:59 GMT



I like my apartment except at times it is difficult for my guests
to visit, since they have to come up a ladder from the street and
through a trapdoor in my hallway.

I carefully climbed down the ladder and went for a walk in the
city late last night. I noticed that there were more ruffians 
out on the streets than usual. I was not concerned until
all the city lights went out, leaving us in blackness.

I found my way to a club off the side of the street where I knew
many of my friends would be. I felt better, and safer once I was in.
Since it was also dark in the club, we decided to go out for a flight
but couldn't agree on whether to fly on our own or use a ship/plane.
We flew on our own to where the ship was, then all piled in. It
looked very much like the Federation's "Enterprise". While flying,
we encountered another ship (that also looked like the Enterprise)
that noticed we were having a serious internal problem with out ship
and that we would be in trouble soon if it was not corrected. The
other ship, being much more advanced than ours, fixed the problem re-
motely and to thank them we invited them over to my home. Some of them
had a bit of a problem getting through the trap door. 

Once inside, I noticed things had been changed in my apartment,
like someone had moved in more beds and had slept in them.
I liked that aliens were visiting my place.
From: zimm@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Laurie Zimmerman, HHMI, Univ. of Pa.)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: strange ear dream
Keywords: ear
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:16:13 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

If anyone would like to interpret this odd dream, please do so:

I was standing in front  of a mirror somewhere where I lived and suddenly
noticed that I had two ears on each side of my head - I just pulled my real ear
forward and found a tiny ear (similar shape but not complete) behind it.
Then I pulled my other ear forward and found another ear (complete outer ear -
normal size) behind that one.  My ears are pierced, and I was shocked to
discover that only the real ear on one side was pierced.  On the other side,
the tiny ear was completely hidden by the normal ear.  I was not grossed out,
but I was worrying about what my boyfriend would say (In real life he likes to
tease me about my long toes, etc.) And I couldn't believe that I had never
discovered these extra ears before.
From: star@ut-emx.uucp (Susan Catharine Starrett)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: 14 August dream I
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:07:18 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas


I was attending a show of one man who was going to sing.
Behind the audience were escalators and walking sidewalks.
It was important that I leave so I got on one and then realized the 
purse I was carrying kept opening up and revealing an undergarment. 
I kept stuffing it back but a piece of it wouldn't stay in.

When I looked up I was walking down a street with storefronts
on the left side, reminiscent of San Francisco.
From: cafer@etek.chalmers.se (Tommy Vaske)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Dream replays
Date: 15 Aug 92 10:27:08 GMT
Reply-To: cafer@etek.chalmers.se (Tommy Vaske)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

In article <vandelhg-140892162328@129.59.50.0>, vandelhg@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (MCG) writes:
|>Even worse, sometimes when I succeed, the undesirable event impinges
|>itself upon the rest of the dream.  For example, if I avoid the trap door
|>(by making it not appear), for the rest of the dream trap doors keep trying
|>to open up underneath me.  The result is that I am perpetually having to
|>"rewind" to fix the recurring situation, and sometimes I just give up and
|>let it go.
|>		This is annoying.  Any ideas?
|> 
|>MCG>
|>Pardon?

Since I believe in Jung's view on dreams, i.e. it being the 
subconscious' own playground & bulletinboard, (whereby I
obviously disagree with the author of lucid FAQ) it would
seem to me that your subconscious wants to tell you something
important with this dream. Doing your "rewinds" obstructs your
subconscious from doing this.

--tommy 
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From: marks@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Mark Schaschke )
Subject: Peter O'Connor
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:01:33 GMT

To Henrich Biers (I hope I spelt it right),
  I am having a real hassle trying to post to you, so I am sending this
as a general message...  Any info you could give me about this Peter
O'Connor (I've heard of him...), would really be appreciated...

  Gotta go, see ya later...  Mark

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From: rishb@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (H. Beiers)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Question time...
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:57:17 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

marks@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Mark Schaschke) writes:
> 
I am interested in dreams, and would like it if someone could relay some
>information to me on the subject...

>Ta dudes..  Caio Mark

Mark

I belong to a dream group in Melbourne run by a guy called Peter O'Connor
who has written a number of books on dreams and dreaming.  As you are
also in Oz you should find his books in your uni library.  I also
have always found my dreams to be interesting (as does everyone who 
bothers to read this newsgroup) and this fellow's books were a good
introduction into some of the deeper issues in dreams.

Is Curtin in WA?  If so, I think he is going to give a lecture
over there soon. I can give you the details if you want.

There is heaps written on dreaming, just look in the library and you
should find plenty.

Good luck

Henric Beiers
henricb@rmit.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: Julie Melody <Julie_Melody@med.umich.edu>
Subject: Concert Dream
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 16:59:26 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Medical Center
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I had this really strange dream last night.  It was one of those dreams
that
seems to go on forever, or at least much longer than it should.  Anyway,
at the
beginning someone told me that there was a free concert that was going to
be
great so I decided to go with my three little boys.  Almost the entire
dream
was spent trying to get o the concert on foot.  We were walking across
meadows
and fields, up hills, across busy streets, and I was trying to keep the
boys
together, safe from harm, and get to the concert before it started. 
Finally we
arrived at this huge building and there were masses of people there all
going
inside for the concert.  We were among the last to go in and we found
ourselves
right in front of the stage.  We sat down on the floor, and Paula Abdul
came
out.  I remember thinking in the dream, "Why am I dreaming about Paula
Abdul???!!!  I am not a fan or anything.  Anyuway, this morning when I
brought
the boys to the sitter, I was commenting about how lousy the weather was
(rain).  My sitter told me that her daughter was going to a local outdoor
concert arena tonight, and that unfortunately the weather was just as bad
the
last time she was going to to see PAULA ABDUL!!!!.  What is really weird
is
that I had not heard anything about her being in town, nor do I have any
interest in her.  I thought tha it was exceedingly strange.  I'm not too
much
into this dream stuff, but this was an unusual experience for me.  

Thoughts anyone???