HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Engine Theory 101
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:42:20 GMT

In article <1ihl8mINNnav@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>[The clutch] Disconnects that rotating shaft in the engine from the
>transmission when you don't want to drive the wheel, and allows a
>smooth transition from disconnected to connected when you do want to
>drive the wheel (avoiding wheelies *every* time you start off).

You mean "avoiding stalling the engine every time you start off."
Slipping the clutch *increases* the power you can deliver to a slowly
moving output shaft by allowing your engine to run at a speed where it
has higher torque (or, in the case of starting up, a speed where it is
able to keep turning over at all).

Of course if you rev the engine at a high enough speed with the clutch
pulled and the transmission in a low gear, and then let go of the
clutch, the clutch *will* slip until the rear wheel is spinning fast
enough to match the engine speed, delivering a good portion of maximum
power all the time (especially once it stops slipping) and enabling
you to pop a wheelie ... if you had a bike, that is.

If you tried to get the same effect by revving wildly in neutral and
then jamming the gear into engagement, if you could *get* the gear to
engage you'd either stall the engine or (more likely) break your
transmission, IMO.

>Once the engine is driving the wheel (clutch fully disengaged),

Err... do you mean "engaged"?

>the clutch is not necessary for shifting gears, and you only need it
>again if you want to stop the wheel and not the engine.

Or vice versa.

ObGetABikeEd: You need to get a bike and tool around until you
remember how these things work!

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)

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From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Dealer won't budge on '91 ST1100
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:40:46 GMT
Summary: Shortcomings

In article <moseley.151.726165026@u.washington.edu>, moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley) writes:
> In article <1992Dec31.014706.7534@serval.net.wsu.edu> 
> bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
> 
> >Now I've never actually said that the PD is a "beautiful" bike.  Without
> >considering paint lets's just say that it is a bike of character.  
> 
> BMWs, Ducati, Harleys - these are bikes with character for sure. They don't 
> work as well as the other (Japanese) bikes, but they've got character the 
> others lack. 

The bikes don't lack character.  Character, like beauty, is in the eye
of the beholder.  The "lack" is in the beholder, not the bikes.

> But why is character so expensive? 

It's not.  My bike has gobs of character, and it only cost me $3.1K.

> Why does character cost more than function?

Function is part of character and character is part of function.
However, some riders believe that these intersecting attributes 
are somehow mutually exclusive and that some bikes don't possess 
one or the other of them.  Such a rider can usually be induced to 
pay a premium for something that is nothing more than an artifact 
of his/her own imagination (or lack of it). 

Chuck Rogers
car377@druhi.att.com
From: copold@panam.edu (Steve Copold)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: 1973 Kawasaki Triple for Sale
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:44:31 GMT
Organization: University of Texas - Pan American
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X-XXDate: Tue, 5 Jan 93 13:47:54 GMT

For Sale: 1973 Kawasaki H-1 three cylinder 500cc two-stroke
							 
This bike is in excellent condition and has been fully 
restored to OEM specifications, original two-tone 
Kawasaki green paint scheme, polished side covers,
has clubman bars mounted, but original bars are included.
Everything works on this motorcycle including the oil
injection system. The bike actually required very little 
in the way of restoration, which consisted mainly of a very
thorough cleaning and polishing and replacement of the 
bulk of the rubber parts...seals, intake tract, etc.

$1850.00 or best offer

For more information: 
e-mail to:
copold@panam.edu

phone:
 daytime 210 381-3589
evenings 210 618-0459
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From: fleckens@plains.NoDak.edu (Clint Fleckenstein)
Subject: Re: CBR600F2 dethrowned by '93 ZX-6. Whine......whimper!
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 06:46:42 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Ed Computing Network
Keywords: tank, bloated

In article <1ilg3oINNd1l@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> starfish@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Smarter than the Average Blur) writes:
>
>It's official. Cycle World has tested the new ZX-6. It's much faster
>than the F2. First run with a tail wind was 161 on the gun. Corrected
>speed is 153. It also steers lighter, quicker, and is more comfortable
>to ride. The F2 still has better cornering clearance and will likely
>make a better track bike still. But it looks like the ZX-6 is the new
>king of production sport bikes.

Yeah, but it's so butt-ugly that I'd still buy the CBR.  I know, it's
a great all-around bike.  But it still has that bloated Kawasaki look
to it, and is a portly 33 pounds heavier than the Honda!

I'm a tad disappointed...I was hoping the new ZX-6 would be along the
lines of a racier bike; with *three* 600cc sport bikes out this year, 
Kawasaki could have let this ZX-6E replace the '92 ZX-6, and put this
engine/frame to good use in a lighter and racier configuration. 

This makes my decision between a '93 ZX-6E and a '93 ZX-7 much easier
than I had imagined :-)

>-Alan Waterman (CBR600F2LN)

Clint
 __________________________________________________________________________
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 Master Control/Operations, KFYR TV 5/KQCD TV 7/KUMV TV 8      .5k EX Pilot  
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From: spindler@emr1.emr.ca (Chris Spindler)
Subject: Ugly Colours (was: Dealer won't budge on '91 ST1100)
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:34:31 GMT

Bill = Bill Johns (bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu)

Bill>Not true.  Aloha BMW (a couple miles west of Portland) is carrying a new
Bill>1993 PD.  Folks you will not believe this, but BMW has come up with a new
Bill>color scheme that is absolutely ugly IMHO.  The new paint jobs make my now

Wait until you see the Canadian Market ZX-11.  Orange and purple.
One of the most hideous paint jobs ever. a The only redeeming feature
is that the rider can't see much of it.

The name of the person who selected the colours for the Canadian
market is Taki.  Hmmmm.

-- 
Chris Spindler   Seismologist @ Large  |  Staring into a computer screen is  
'91 550 Zephyr    - - - - - - -  o     |  like staring into an eclipse.  It's
'91 K75RT       - - - - - - -  _/\_>   |  brilliant and you don't realize
 DoD #6371    - - - - - - -   O,> / O  |  the damage until it's too late.
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Hi-Def shields
Date: 9 Jan 93 03:46:44 GMT
Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org
Distribution: world
Organization: NOT

jimi@b23a.b23a.ingr.com (Jim Mack) writes:
]Finally, there's the fact that these things don't fog....EVER!  The shield
]up the visor just a little (like the Shoei RF200) then more that likely you'll

if you have an RF200, a shoei hi-def shield, and you think it never fogs, then
you are a panzy-biker-wannabe-poser that never ventures outside unless it's 
sunny and warm. you're also a braindead-crossposting-cager that has never seen
much less touched a shoei rf200 hi-def shield. I just got off the phone with
steve bade, his rf200/shoei hi-def is in no way shape or form more than one 
piece of plastic and it fogs. the same goes for my X-8.

perhaps you're confusing a real hi-def shield with some sort of cheap tiawanese
imitation made from recycled douche bottles.

-- 
Joe Senner -- joe@Rider.Cactus.Org
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From: jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Going to be in Cambridge, MA second week of Feb
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:14:55
Distribution: usa


Looks like I'll be at thinking machines for a week or so in Feb.  I
suspect that it's RFC (really fucking cold) and that riding is
probably not going to be much fun.  (Especially since I'm a southern
weenie used to 50 weeks of boiling summer and 2 weeks of
near-freezings winter.)

So if you've got suggestions on things to do/places to go (I'll be
there over a three day weekend) please drop a line.  The "things"
could include: modern art exhibits, technology/science museums, bike
shows, computer art/museum/stuff, book/record/cd stores, local
vegetarian restaurants, you name it.

thx for the suggestions.


--
J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311 (DoD# 0378)
"It is the cunning of form to veil itself continually in the evidence
of content.  It is the cunning of the code to veil itself and to produce
itself in the obviousness of value." -- Baudrillard
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From: rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls)
Subject: Re: V-4 Honda oil filters
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:34:59 GMT

In article <BLEVE.93Jan11202037@hoggle2.uucp> bleve@hoggle2.uucp (Bennett Lee Leve) writes:
>
>If you only use Honda oil filters on your Honda V-4, you may be interested in this.
>
>I have been using the oil filter from a 1986 Honda Accord instead of the motorcycle
>one.  They are basically the same.  The only defferences are:
>
>1) The car one is blue and the bike one is black.
>2) The bike one is 3 dollars more here in Orlando.
>3) The car one is made in USA and the bike one is made in Japan.
>
>I have been using the car one for about a year, they are basically the same, and
>the car one is easier to get and cheaper.  I know that other Honda cars use the 
>same filter, but I always ask for one from a 1986 Accord, just because I know it
>fits.
>

DANGER!!DANGER!!DANGER!!DANGER!!XDANGER!!DANGER!!DANGER!!DANGER!!DANGER!!

                  DO NOT DO THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Car oil filters are not made to hold up to the heat that is involved in
a motorcycle engine. It will start to break down and cause SPOOGE to flow
into your engine. This will result in having to rebuild the engine. 

Use only filters designed for motorcycles!!!!!

This information is from Wing WORLD (the GWRRA magazine). It appears that
there was a chrome plated oil filter made for the Honda cars (Chrome
being too great a temptation to Gold Wing owners) which some people put
on their Wings and it melted down causing major rebuilds. So BEWARE!!

Jolly Roger
From: labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Application for DoD Membership
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:12:47 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
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	AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
(insert image of crazed man with larger calibre machine gun)

	Don't send me the FAQ....I got it, I got it!!!!!!  thankyou for
	sending it.... All 30 of you....

		As to the comment about nothing more than 600cc's  My
		Honda is a 700....read it _700_!!!

		As to being a Newbie...I have been quietly reading this
		news group for six months!!!

		Now how do I get...wait, wait, wait!!! no more FAQ's I'll
		find the damn KotL and get my number there.....

(delete image...)



				Ryan
From: ellert@v32.uh.cwru.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Application for DoD Membership
Date: 5 Jan 1993 15:12:11 GMT
Organization: Image Analysis Center, Univ. Hospitals of Cleveland
Distribution: world
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In article <1789@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:

>I am part Scottish. I have a kilt (see my sig for the clan and 
>sept). I ride a motorcycle....someone made the
>connection that Motorcycling and kilts go together...I think
>so...but the speed has to be relatively low otherwise my family
>jewels get rather frigid....the hose and Garters look rather
>good on occasion...

Like I said, get one of them heated, electric kilts.  I think McWidder makes
them :^)

Ed
DoD #1110

P.S.  You really need to do something to keep your paragraphs from shifting
off the page.
From: edh@wheeler.wrc.unr.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Lance Holst is a Jerk
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:37:16 GMT
Reply-To: edh@wheeler.wrc.unr.edu ()
Organization: Desert Research Institute, University of Nevada

Well, our old buddy Lance is at it again.  This comes from "On The
Level", the BMWRA news letter.

Mischief in Monterey: OTL's oft-cited account fo the behavior of
the US bike press at press introductions ("Mischief in
Mississippi") has been trumped by a recent Kawasaki junket at the
track in Laguna Seca and the streets near Monterey.  Reliable
sources say journalists were routinely exeeding 150 mph on public
roads.  Among the crashed were Cycle World's Mitch Boehm,
Motorcyclist's _LANCE HOLST_ and Superbike School guru Keith Code
(twice!).  OTL Bulletin:  The garage just called; their brains will
be ready in a week.

 Ed Hackett   edh@wheeler.wrc.unr.edu     The Desert Research Institute 
 DoD #0200  WMTC  BMWRA  DIOC             Reno, Nevada   (702) 673-7380   
 KotLS  KtoLE  DotD #0003      Motorcycling is not a life and death matter.
 900SS  K100RS  501 CAMEL      It's more important than that.    __=o&o>__
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From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Gang FAQ'd by the DoD!
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 14:27:40 GMT

tgent@dale.ksc.nasa.gov (Tom Gent) writes:
>
>Hi, everyone.  I'm new to this group, and was thinking of buying a bike.
>What I was wondering, though, is whether you guys recommend that I
>crash. 
>Also, are there any laws
>that I should be aware of?
>
>Tom Gent

Crashing is generally thought to be a bad idea, although most netters have
tried it at least once, and some do it regularly. While it is not illegal
in the most specific sense, you can be charged and fined, and possibly thrown
in jail. Most of us think that crashing can ruin you life, and try to avoid
it as much as possible.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

I admit it, this is in bad taste, even for us.
Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles:43659 ba.motorcycles:1393
From: flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Kikustaatu-Do: The Way of Kickstart
Date: 11 Jan 1993 21:48:54 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Graham)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bendenweyr

chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih) writes:
|> Aah, kick starts are for pansies.  They just add weight
|> and catch your pant legs at inopportune moments.  Real
|> girlie-men push the bike down a hill and pop the clutch
|> to start.  Manly men push the bike uphill.  

Girly men use the bike's momentum to bump-start the bike.  Manly
men pick the bike up with one hand and use the other to spin the
rear tire with the bike already in gear.

				...jim
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From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: chain prematurely worn out? 
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:55:13 GMT

In <1993Jan2.054542.23045@serval.net.wsu.edu> bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:

>In article <725925659snz@morgan.demon.co.uk> tony@morgan.demon.co.uk writes:
>>
>>In article <mjs.725907066@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk> mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk writes:
>>

>Yeah, yeah we've all heard of this marvelous device.  We don't get it over
>here on the left side of the pond.  At least I've never seen it in any
>catalog nor ever reviewed in any of our mags.

>Has anyone else seen or heard of this device sold in the States?

  The old H2 used to have a manual oiler that had a pull handle,
reservoir, and a line to the chain. Every so often you could give a
little pull on the handle while riding and oil your chain. This could
probably had from a wreckers and be fitted to most bikes. They made a
big mess though.

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |          **           | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer" - IT175 |           - anonymous








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From: frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Subject: Re: J.C. Whitney vs. dealer
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:32:15 GMT
Organization: HewlettPackardSantaRosaSystmsDiv,RohnertParkCA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Jonathan E. Quist (jeq@i88.isc.com) wrote:
& In article <C0pKGu.6Gx@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
& >I bought a replacement battery for my bike from the dealer.  $45.  It lasted
& >two years.  I figured I couldn't get much worse than that, so I bought the
& >last one from WalMart.  $32.  It was sitting out on the shelves, walk in and
& >pick one up.  They come dry, with the electrolyte in a bottle.  Pour it in
& >and charge it.  K-mart and auto parts stores also sell them cheap.  
& >If you get a JCWitless battery you have to buy your own electrolyte, and
& >you have to wait for it.  I wouldn't call a 36 month battery with a 9 month
& >warrenty a 36 month battery-I'd call it a 9 month battery.
& 
& You have to buy your own?  When did they start that?

That's what it says in the catalog:  Note:  Batteries are shipped dry and
must be filled and charged before use (electrolyte not included).

I don't know if it is a new policy or not.

--
Frank Ball   1UR-M          frankb@sad.hp.com    (707) 794-4168 work,
Hewlett Packard             (707) 794-3844 fax,  (707) 538-3693 home
1212 Valley House Drive     IT175, XT350, Seca 750, '62 F-100, PL510
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999  KC6WUG, LAW, AMA, Dod #7566, I'm the NRA.
From: arii@arii.Finland.Sun.COM (Ari Ikonen - Sun Finland)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Florida rental: where's this company?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 17:05:48 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: arii@arii.Finland.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: arii.finland.sun.com
Keywords: rental, Florida, lost, company

From the MC rental listing 12/92 I found:

    From advertisement in Jan 1992 Rider Magazine:
       
    Highway One, Inc.
    Motorcycle Touring and Rental
    796 Brighton Avenue
    Portland, Maine, 04102
    Voice: 207-772-7186
    Fax:   207-871-9186

Tried to call/fax them but the numbers were disconnected.
Would anyone know if they've moved or something but still are in 
the business?

---
------------------------------------------------------
Ari Ikonen			Sun Microsystems Oy
 				Kutojantie 7
ari.ikonen@finland.sun.com	SF-02630 Espoo, Finland
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From: bradl@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Brad LaBroad)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Dealer won't budge on '91 ST1100
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:55:07 GMT
Reply-To: bradl@tekig5.pen.tek.com
Organization: Pokey Folk on Parade

In article <650.2B515575@kennel.FIDONET.ORG> john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes:
>
>By the way, my dictionary does not say that character is uniqueness. It says
>it is internal integrity, usually of beliefs, morals, 
>and commitment to same.
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

     Well if BMW's history with the boxer isn't "commitment to same," I
     don't know what is.  :-)




--
Bradlee T. LaBroad                             read & write & ride & juggle
 bradl@tekig5.pen.tek.com                        It's a tough job but 
   GB_500 DoD#389 R100GS                           somebody gets to do it.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
From: tortlieb@lonestar.utsa.edu (Travis J. Ortlieb)
Subject: Re: Kikustaatu-Do: The Way of Kickstart
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:48:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.134839.26025@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) writes:
>In article <ll3qq6INNu8@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM
>(Jim Graham) writes:
>|> chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih) writes:
>|> |> Aah, kick starts are for pansies.  They just add weight
>|> |> and catch your pant legs at inopportune moments.  Real
>|> |> girlie-men push the bike down a hill and pop the clutch
>|> |> to start.  Manly men push the bike uphill.
>|>
>|> Girly men use the bike's momentum to bump-start the bike.  Manly
>|> men pick the bike up with one hand and use the other to spin the
>|> rear tire with the bike already in gear.
>|>
>|> 				...jim
>  Why should I get my hands dirty, I just pick it up and
>start it like one of those "friction" cars. Just use both
>hands, I mean why else do they put the grab bar all the way
>across the back of the seat, you just have to remember to
>put the center stand down first so it wont stall. Now those
>BMW's with the VW lookin engines are a PIA, they rap you on
>the shins on the way by. :-)
>--
>
REAL Men never turn their motorcycle off!



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From: ellert@v32.uh.cwru.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Real life facts about insurance companies
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:01:37 GMT
Reply-To: ellert@nu1.uh.cwru.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Image Analysis Center, Univ. Hospitals of Cleveland
NNTP-Posting-Host: max.uh.cwru.edu


In article <1993Jan11.174344.20845@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) writes:
>
>Reminds me of the "war" between NJ and NYC. They (NYC)
>tax commuters who live in NJ and work in NYC. Needed
>to pay more bills so they based the amount of tax payed
>to NYC on how much both you and your spouse make even if
>your spouse did'nt work in the city. Well NJ commuters
>complained enough that NJ decided to "Help" them and said
>"Well if you are going to tax both the commuter and their
>spouse (who does not work in the city) we're going to do
>the same thing". Big help that was. Don't ya just love
>bureaucrats.

This seems quite unconstitutional -- anyone studied this?  I've discussed
a similar situation in Cleveland.  Here you are taxed by the city you work
in as well as the one in which you live.  They don't tax combined incomes
however.  The premise for dispute is that I have no vote except in the
city where I live.  What's to prevent a city from taxing all the employees
of a company simply because that company has an office in that city?  The
extreme of this might be an employee of UPS being taxed by just about every
city in the US. Obviously this would be fought -- but why isn't anyone
fighting the smaller case?

Ed
DoD #1110
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