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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Re: Fistful o' Datas Comments (Spoilers)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:43:51 GMT
Keywords: good and bad parts

ratner@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Dave "Van Damme" Ratner) writes:
:)Spoilers follow:


:)   However, how come he didn't start the Klingon growling he always uses in
:)   other battle scenes?

Not enough of a challenge?   :)

:)   was the (damn attractive) elusive stranger.  I wished Riker was there
:)   to play on that scene.

I think Commander Hormone would have just ruined the scene.  :)

:) - Did anyone besides me find it just a tad unrealistic that when Data and
:)   Geordi wanted to experiment with the ship's computers, they just go
:)   ahead with the experiment full-steam ahead?  No "practice runs", no
:)   simulations, no real tests of the "interface code" (as was apparent).

Well, I think the practice runs/tests were Data accessing low priority
systems, like diagnostics. For all we know, they had been already working
on the ideas before hand in their spare time, and they just didn't bore
the audience with the details.

:)   Isn't this kind of like me creating a new product, downloading it to
:)   all machines on the Internet (including yours), and then testing it
:)   to see if it works?  

I thought that was *already* the basis of UNIX...   :)

:) - Explain to me how Worf built this "15 second shield" with the communicators
:)   and some random piece of a telegraph machine.  If Worf could scrape this
:)   up that easily, why don't Fed away teams use them on enemy planets?  Why
:)   doesn't the security officer or team use one regularly?  Or was this
:)   only a shield that would stop a bullet and not a phaser?  Give me a break

That was probably the case. Compared to phasers, bullets aren't all that 
powerful. I'm sure that's the reason they aren't regularly used.

:) - What about Troi's rationalization: "If we finish the program it will have
:)   to end".  Is this true?  Have we ever seen a program "finish" on the
:)   Holodeck?  I always thought they were endless-running, and you eventually
:)   left or saved the current place (like an ongoing, endless movie).

Well, we've never seen a program finish because there's usually some sort
of error that affects it.  :)

But seriously, there are prolly many possibilites for the holodeck. One
is to program just an environment, like a planet or something similar. One
is in interactive environment, like (sorry) Lwaxana did in Cost of Living.
I'm sure another possibility is a story line.

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From: charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV)
Subject: Re: Alexander
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:45:53 GMT

rrheaume@emr1.emr.ca (Roberta Rheaume (CPB)) writes:

>Is anyone else getting sick of seeing children, especially Alexander, on ST:
>TNG?  I thought we got rid of that when Wesley left!

Oh come on!  The *point* of the children onboard ship is that the technology 
has become significantly advanced to make space travel a perfectly viable 
option.  And you can't expect all of the people on a ship that size to be 
without families.

I think the big problem with Wesley was that he was a "crew's pet" of sorts.
He had no business as an ensign until he went through StarFleet academy, like
any other ensign.

>Roberta Rheaume
>rrheaume@emr1.emr.ca
>Waiting for the Nintendo Holodeck

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From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Is there any truth to the rumour.....?
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:02:15 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <g92n3258.65.721310346@giraffe.ru.ac.za> g92n3258@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR RL NICOL) writes:
>One of our national papers, "The Sunday Times" printed an article on Star 
>Trek VII.  According to them, Hollywood has announced the making of a 7th 
>film, but without William Shatner or Leonard Nimoy, as they are getting "too 
>old".  The article didn't specify whether it would feature any of the other 
>TOS crew (ie. Sulu, etc) or whether it would involve TNG crew.  They did, 
>however, say that the script would be written by Bill Shatner.
>

A script treatment, submitted by Shatner a few months ago, was
rejected by Paramount. This was reported in Cinemafantastique.  The
lack of Shatner and Nimoy is a new rumor, but both have, in the past,
said they were interested in the film (if Paramount ever decided to do
a seventh film).


-- 
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Department of Astronomy                              Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
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Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart on Broadway - Question
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:12:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov11.194409.2318@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>, mueller@cage.eng.mcmaster.ca (Edna Mueller) writes...
>bdennen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Dennen) writes:
>>Quite a while ago, I saw a post about Patrick Stewart doing "A Christmas
>>Carol" on Broadway again this year. I sent in for tickets and have not 

>Tickets don't go on sale until Nov. 21, but if you mail off your $45
>and the date you want to go, they will mail you back the tickets.
>The tickets, by mail order, telephone, or in person, will not be selected 
>until Nov. 21, so if you haven't heard anything, don't worry.
> 
>Lucky bugger *sigh* :-(
> 
>				Schmeby
>					    mueller@cage.eng.mcmaster.ca
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                "Oops". -- Jean-Luc Picard, "Pen Pals"
>------------------------------------------------------------------------

	Could someone please E-mail me where one sends away for the tickets?

			Thanks    Jim
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From: hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz)
Subject: Re: ---< Fistful o' Datas >--- Synopis & *S*
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:35:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.073856.11079@uoft02.utoledo.edu> mneylon@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Michael Neylon) writes:
>I'd reckon there be spoilers here,....sir


>
>
>Troi and Worf discuss the plans for the shutout, when Annie returns with
>parts that Worf requested.  Within 1.5 hrs, Worf creates, from a
>communicator, a very temporary shield that should block one bullet from
>Mr. Hollander, but only one.  They leave for the shoot out.
>
.
.
.

>The streets are mighty empty as the son and Worf get to their predefined spot.
>Mr. Hollander enters, with Alex, and stares intently.  Worf releases the
>son, Hollander Alex, but in mid-path, Hollander draws and yells at his son
>to duck.  Worf quickly activates his shield which reflects the 6 shots from
                                                                ^^^^^^

THis makes its own comment on the quality of the writing and the
editing.

BTW, was calling Troi "Trio" deliberate (for a grin) or just a typo?

>the gun.  After the gun is depleted, the rest of Hollander's gang (who
>-- 
>Michael Neylon   aka Masem the Great and Almighty Thermodynamics GOD!

Hillel Markowitz        H_Markowitz@att.com
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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Payback for Hastings (was Picard's background)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:06:30 GMT

In article <74319@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0552c@prism.gatech.EDU (PILCHER,DAVID ANDREW) writes:

>	Okay, this episode (RASCALS) brought up a question that I've had for
>a long time.  I'm an huge ST:TNG fan, but I don't read these r.a.s.* things
>very often, so I hope this ain't a FAQ.

>	Jean-Luc Picard, both in geezer and rug-rat form has a distinctively
>british accent (especially as a kid).  Yet, his name is inherently french.
>Why?  Was he born in France but grow up in England?  I know somebody knows
>the answer to this out there.  Of course the REAL answer is obvious: Patrick
>Stewart was the best choice for the part, and he IS brittish.  So why didn't
>the ST folks just rename Jean-Luc Picard as John Pickard?

In the second-season episode "Payback for Hastings", the Enterprise
crew encountered a wormhole which brought them back in time to late
21st-century Earth (of *course* it was Earth).  The United Kingdom
was invading France, and Jean-Luc wanted to stop the U.K.  Fortunately,
both Guinan and Troi convinced him that history *had* to happen the
way it was supposed to.  At any rate, the British won, and that's why
almost everybody in France (including Picard's family) speaks English
with a British accent.

It's no wonder why you asked the question.  It was broadcast during
the Bush-Dukakis campaign, and was preempted due to debates and to at
least one blackout, and therefore not many people saw it.  It was right
after the end of the writer's strike, and was actually a recycled
episode originally written for the proposed "Star Trek II" series
(like "Devil's Due").  In the original, the USSR was supposed to
invade the United States in the early 21st century, and Chekov was to
have to *stop* it.  Due to extensive rewrites, the entire story was
botched, and I can't recall the details.  It isn't even listed in the
episode guides that you can purchase, and I think it was disavowed by
Paramount.  I still think it is canon.  Does anybody have it on tape
and can give a synopsis?


-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
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From: thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rascals: Have a heart?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 21:02:25 GMT
Organization: Nope, just me.
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In article <92314.135012CH8305A@auvm.american.edu> Charles Hessenius <CH8305A@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>     Also, if the crew accepted Wesley as a quasi- and then full member
>of the Enterprise crew at his age (voice barely changed) then what's
>the problem accepting Picard?  Is there age discrimination in the 24th
>century?

Think about it.

Wesley Crusher was an ENSIGN, acting- and then full-ensign.  I don't
think too many people would express surprise/confusion at a young
person in such a low rank.

Jean-Luc Picard is a CAPTAIN.  (Captain of Starfleet's Flagship, no
less.)  Somehow, the thought of such a young captain (a much more
senior officer) I think would easily create more confusion and
uncertainty than that of a young ensign...
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From: DonD@cup.portal.com (Don Robert DeCosta)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Why was ST V so bad?
Date: Sat,  7 Nov 92 12:14:24 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

ST V was bad because....

1) It reeked of product endoresments: from Jack Daniel's to Nike!  These
   were not clever endorsements ala the MacIntosh in ST IV but rather just
   bad, "help-us-pay-for-the-movie", endorsements.

2) The FX weren't just bad, they sucked! Big Time!  20 seconds into the film
   I said, "these can't be ILM FX" and they weren't and it showed.

3) The Big E! falling apart all around was sickening! The monochrome
   monitor sitting on a shelf in the turbo lift used to give the illusion
   of movement made be pissed!  Uhuru doing the Fan Dance was gross both
   asthetically and as a character developement for Uhuru, let Uhuru age
   gracefully and find a young ensign to exploit for that mission!

I seem to have begun rambling and have forgotten to number my reasons!
To sum up: the movie was TV movie-of-the-week quality and the director
is to blame!

DonD@cup.portal.com
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 7 Nov 1992 23:31:19 CST
From: Leta Dally <U47248@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Political Organization of the Federation

I know that there is a plethora of scientific technical manuals about
Start Trek but are there any that describe, in detail, the political
organization of the Federation?  Since I'm in political science, I think
it would be interesting to see exactly how policy, etc, is supposedly
made by the Federation.  It actually seems to be pretty much of a
military organization.  There only seem to be a few Ambassadors, etc.
but no real elected political types.  So--if anyone out there knows
a publication describing the political organization, I'd appreciate a
response.  Thanks.
From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Fistful of Datas **SPOILERS!!!**
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:16:18 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

wesc@ucsb.edu ((Wesley J. Chun)) writes:
:)Okay, here are my weekly, brief comments:
Which should have a spoiler protection...

:)-----
:)=====
:)1. Worf gets beaten up/shot by a hologram. (difficulty level 4)

So you don't think three on one where two have a weapon is pretty tough odds?

:)2. Marina...  she can never get a good script, can she?
:)3. Two of the most useless characters show off more uselessness.

Now, I'll be the first to admit I've dislike Troi since she's been on the
show, and Alexander was possibly tolerable. But BOTH of them were actually
very nice to see this time.

:)4. Worf has become soft and spoiling Alexander.  He should really
:)    be at Klingon reform school... make that both of them.

Soft? Spoiling? He's having fun with his son perfoming in battle, just
a different scene. How is that soft or spoiling?

:)5. I really didn't like the fact that the computer failed to stop
:)    the program at Worf's, Alexander's, or Troi's request.  Just
:)    because the computer was flooded with elements from Data's
:)    memory shouldn't affect the correct operation of the holodeck.

This could possibly have been explained, but one of the things that
was good about this episode is that it didn't *rely* on explanation.
I figured something like the library's memory control access was malfunctioned
as well as the memory itself, and that's about it.

:)00000
:)=====
:)1. This is a FAMILY entertainment episode (not to be taken seriously)
:)   (this episode can be discarded, and no one will really miss it)

In your opinion. Everyone I know that saw it liked it a lot.

It sounds to me like you came into this show looking for what could
be wrong with it...

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From: alpha@hubcap.clemson.edu (Shekhar G. Borde')
Subject: Re: Absolutely Nothing to do with ST (was Re: Clinton won!)
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:23:19 GMT

YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:

>In article <1992Nov4.130659.14518@stsci.edu>
>wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
> 
>>
>>In article <1992Nov4.043121.6866@leland.Stanford.EDU> firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith) writes:
>>
>>
>>>So can we stop with the political flames already?
>>
>>You bet.  This talk of the real world has nothing to do with Star
>>Trek.
>>
>>--
>   WHAT?  You mean to tell me that Trek is NOT the REAL WORLD?!!!
> 
> 

Of course it is! Just ignore those other people, they fantasize a
little too much. :-)


-SB


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From: kaxiras@falcons.cs.wisc.edu (Stefanos Kaxiras)
Subject: Re: is it military
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:23:14 GMT

The question is : Why it is not clear to us whether Starfleet
is military or not ?

I guess no one whould watch STNG if the Big-E was Unarmed :-)
On the other hand people who created STNG do not want to state
clearly that the Starfleet is Military. I guess they do this 
because they want to make people in the 24th century seem more
'advanced' more 'noble' and more 'sophisticated' that we are.
But words are do not replace the actions.
All the Big-E missions are about peace keeping ( the 
exploration stuff is bullsh*t and so is moving around
medical supplies ). 

You must not forget one thing : Star Treck is a reflection
of our times ( I thing no Star Treck writer can get rid
of his/hers subconsious stereotypes about the world and
create something *realy* different from the current world ).
Think about it : In TOS Starfleet *was* openly military. In
these days US had the 'Kirk' attitude. Nowdays the US is
the police of the world but US governement denies it.
It is exactly the same with STNG : 
Starfleet is a military organization that forces 
its own 'peace' in the 'federation space' but they *do not*
want to be called 'The Police' ... they prefer to be
called 'Explorers'. 

So I think that our confusion about the Militarism in
STNG stems from the fact that what we see ( a Military 
Starfleet ) is different of what we hear ( Explorers etc. ).
I prefer to believe my eyes. If you want to judge for yourself
watch the *actions* and pay no attention to the *words*.
Another thing is what is stated by the creators. If Gene says
that Starfleet is not military that doesn't mean that it isn't.
Maybe he *would like* very much Starfleet not to be military
but Starfleet is what it is in the episodes.

Stef.


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From: rooney@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Sean Rooney)
Subject: Re: FISTFUL OF DATAS anime injoke #?
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:41:15 GMT

In article <BxHF9o.GKo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>No spoilers, only a good giggle.
>
>The B-ko?  Where was she, chasing A-ko to posess the hand of the fair C-ko?
>
>LJC
>Who recently watched Project A-ko 2 and 3 and wished they would have stopped 
>with 1......
>-- 

	I presumed that the Grissom-model supply ship seen at the 
end of This Week's God-Awful Installment of ST: The New Garbage was
named in honor of Stephen Biko, martyred South African revolutionary.

	Which leads me to wonder at the influence of Peter Gabriel
songs on Starfleet ship names.  A USS Intruder, perchance?

Cordially, 

Michael S. Rooney

"And through the wire, we push our tailor-made speeches."
From: andrew.nipperess@f635.n713.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Andrew Nipperess)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Troi's butt
Date: 3 Nov 92 22:26:28 GMT
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au

Original to: Bacarlso@Silver.Ucs.Indiana.Edu
Hello
 b> Is it just me, or does the camera add 20 pounds to her butt? 
 b> How about sticking a skirt on her ... or would that not be
 b> proper Starfleet protocol?
 
I'm wondering if the camera does similar tricks to her bust.
 
 
                            Nipper

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From: charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV)
Subject: Re: Cloaking devices (Spoilers) Rascals
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 15:51:51 GMT

moe@netcom.com (Morris Bisted) writes:

>Spoilers for Rascals
>













>Now that the Enterprise has caught 2 Bird of Prey, hopefully the
>Federation will have the forethought to try and figure out how this
>technology works.  Then we won't repeatedly be pummeled with the
>tired plot device of the Bird of Prey de-cloaking in front of the
>Enterprise while its shields are down and immediately
>blasting away causing the injury of the enterprise and requisite
>heroic acts and "victory snatched from the jaws of defeat" endings
>that this theme has brought about.  

Does this really happen that much?  I don't think so.
The Klingons and Feds are allied ... I'm sure they've seen a BoP before.
Maybe they don't *want* a cloak?

>But no!!  The Federation has only had knowledge and actual possession 
>of the cloaking device since Kirk stole it in TOS (Did IBM get the
>development contract or what?).  

How about the BoP that Kirk nosedived into the ocean in STIV? ;-)  You'd think
they'd have fished that thing out.

>Morris 

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From: dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan)
Subject: Re: "True Q" Thoughts (was Amanda!)
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:24:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.042149.8174@nwnexus.WA.COM> garym@halcyon.com (Gary McAllister) writes:
|I thought it was interesting that Q mentioned at one point that they
|weren't sure if Amanda was a full Q or a hybrid.  It made me wonder...
|perhaps Q wasn't telling the entire truth about the whole situation and
|that only one of her parents was a Q, maybe even *our* Q.  It would
|explain a lot about why Q was given this particular assignment, as well
|as why he has this fixation on the human species.

	I think we're reading way, way, WAY too much into this episode in a
vain effort to make it more consistant and interesting than it really was.


Dennis F. Heffernan  dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com e4461005@apollo.montclair.edu
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