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From: pryan@rp.CSIRO.AU (Philip Ryan)
Subject: Pilot Training here in Australia.
Keywords: training, ppl
Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics/Australia Telescope National Facility
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:35:52 GMT


Some days I wonder if anyone uses this group. Perhaps everyone is watching
rec.aviation. :-[

Perhaps Australians don't see much point in talking for the hell of it.
Aww bugger. And now I'm seemingly doing just that.

I have a few questions ...

(1) Perhaps there is an FAQ for this group, but I haven't noticed it being
advertised. Is such a beast extant ?

(2) Does anyone archive the huge volume of traffic passing through this group?

(3) Aren't there at least a couple of people out there with something worthwhile to say?
I don't want to beat up traffic just for the sake of it, but it's a little
disheartening to only get an American perspective on aviation. Besides, rec.aviation
can get so bogged down with discussions of FAA regs that tears roll down my cheeks.

(4) What sort of prices do people pay for planes/instructors around the country ?
Things like wet/dry hire, instructors time while in the air, instructor time on the
ground for briefings, ... etc.

(5) Following on from (4), do people have any strong reccomendations for flying
training -- ie schools, type of plane, ...

(6) I'm a long way from it yet, but does anyone have suggestions as to cross country
weekend/3 day trips (I'm interested in `from Sydney', but I'm sure people in other
towns would be interested to hear of things.)


If people post me direct I'll summarise as to (4), and (5). But it's not as if there's
a heap of traffic anyway.

Let's see if this starts anything. Perhaps there are hundreds of lurkers lurking. ;-)

Philip Ryan.
pryan@rp.csiro.au
CSIRO Division of Radiophysics/Australia Telescope National Facility.
Newsgroups: aus.aviation
From: gaynier@elec.uq.oz.au (Ron Gaynier)
Subject: Re: Flying in Australia.
Keywords: Soaring Competition
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:05:36 GMT

In <1992Aug18.083552.23350@rp.CSIRO.AU> pryan@rp.CSIRO.AU (Philip Ryan) writes:


"|"Some days I wonder if anyone uses this group. Perhaps everyone is watching
"|"rec.aviation. :-[

"|"Perhaps Australians don't see much point in talking for the hell of it.

"|"Let's see if this starts anything. Perhaps there are hundreds of lurkers lurking. ;-)

"|"Philip Ryan.

OK Phil, here goes,
Anyone who is interested in seeing what a gliding competition is like is invited to
drop in on the Queensland State Soaring Championships to be held at McCaffrey field
from September 26th to October 3rd. McCaffrey field is the home of the Darling Downs
Soaring Club (the club owns the field) and is located approximately halfway between
the towns of Oakey and Dalby (8km west of Jondaryan, approximately 2 hours drive from
Brisbane) just south of the Warrego Highway.

If you would like to fly into the field please contact me and I will see what kind of
arrangements can be made, remember there will be a soaring competition going on and
alot of additional traffic will not be welcome. Also parking space for aircraft may be
limited. 

If you're not interested in the soaring comps but would like to try gliding sometime
then you are always welcome to fly in and visit us for a day. We operate on weekends
and public holidays, we're not a commerical operation but we do give joyflights.

It might also be a suitable place for an aus.aviation fly in since we have a kitchen,
a bar and sleeping accomediations for about 15 people. What do people think?

Maybe we should creat aus.soaring now that the traffic in this news group is so heavy :-)

Ron Gaynier
From: makinc@hhcs.gov.au (Carl Makin)
Newsgroups: aus.aviation
Subject: Re: Pilot Training here in Australia.
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:12:36 GMT
Organization: Aust. Dept. Health, Housing and Community Services

In article <1992Aug18.083552.23350@rp.CSIRO.AU>, pryan@rp.CSIRO.AU (Philip Ryan) writes:

> Some days I wonder if anyone uses this group. Perhaps everyone is watching
> rec.aviation. :-[

Seems so.

> (3) Aren't there at least a couple of people out there with something worthwhile to say?
> I don't want to beat up traffic just for the sake of it, but it's a little
> disheartening to only get an American perspective on aviation. Besides, rec.aviation
> can get so bogged down with discussions of FAA regs that tears roll down my cheeks.

Well you often get the European view as well. :-)  It can get a
little tedious.  You might try a threaded newsreader.  The one I
use has the ability to follow threads based on subjects so I can
usually manage to skip the tedious FAR regs.
 
> (4) What sort of prices do people pay for planes/instructors around the country ?
> Things like wet/dry hire, instructors time while in the air, instructor time on the
> ground for briefings, ... etc.

Average around here is $100/hr for a C150 wet with instructor. 
$120/hr for a 172, $105 for a Beech Skipper.  My instructor is
also a personal friend so I have been getting the ground
briefings and some other training free, :-) so I don't know local
prices for those.   (Not that I've done much training in the last
6 months. :-( )
 
> Let's see if this starts anything. Perhaps there are hundreds of lurkers lurking. ;-)

Perhaps. :-)

Carl.
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Newsgroups: aus.aviation
Subject: Re: Pilot Training here in Australia.
From: Mark.Penney@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Chopper Boy! ( Mark Penney ))
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 02:53:19 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.


In article <1992Aug19.141352.297@hhcs.gov.au>, makinc@hhcs.gov.au (Carl Makin) writes:
|> 
|> Average around here is $100/hr for a C150 wet with instructor. 
|> $120/hr for a 172, $105 for a Beech Skipper.  My instructor is
|> also a personal friend so I have been getting the ground
|> briefings and some other training free, :-) so I don't know local
|> prices for those.   (Not that I've done much training in the last
|> 6 months. :-( )

  Hmmm, it sounds as though learning to fly in Oz is not that cheap!
Have you ever considered learning to fly in NZ??  My parents run a flying
school over here (mainly helicopters, but fixed wing also), and we have
taught quite a few people from over the puddle.

  There is also the bonus over here of less traffic, real mountains for
mountain flying (rotary), etc.  You also get a holiday in our great
country aswell!  (and yes I have flown in Australia)

  Oh well, back to what I was doing (dreaming about flying probably 8-).

May all your days be fine (< 1/8ths) and full of updrafts.  (? 8-)

Mark.
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Newsgroups: aus.general,aus.sport
From: smac@iconix.oz.au (Stuart McCormack)
Subject: Collingwood Bi-annual Election
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:52:18 GMT

Good move, Joan Kirner!!  If Collingwood could win a Premiership
on the first Saturday of October, Labor must be a certainty!!
From: pete@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Peter Alexander Merel)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: Tao Te Ching Fortunes
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:54:08 GMT
Organization: Customised Software Solutions Centres, AOTC

10657827@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (WENDY LEONG POOI YAN) writes:
>	I am interested in any English translation of the Tao Te Ching by 
>Lao Tse or any information about Tao.

You can ftp a copy of my edition anonymously from one of

ftp.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au
kandinsky.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au
149.135.124.11

- its in /pub/TaoTehChing.Z. You'll have to uncompress it, and I better warn
you that its in fortunes file format, though you can fix that with little 
effort in the editor of your choice.

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The rose that once has blown forever dies. Not.
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From: zcookbruc@cc.curtin.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.general,comp.sys.dec,vmsnet.pdp-11
Subject: Re: PDP-11 version of PASCAL wanted in OZ.
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:09:51 GMT
Organization: Curtin University of Technology

In article <1992Aug11.231307.14379@decus.com.au>, geremin@decus.com.au writes:
> 
> Hello ALL,
> 		I have had a request from a member in Tasmania who
> needs a copy of a PASCAL compiler for either RSX or RSTS. 
> 
> 		I have located a manual for Oregon PASCAL v1.2 
> that was released for RSTS/E v7. and is dated circa 1980.
> 
> 		All help appreciated.	Regards, John G.
> 

Didn't an RSX SIG tape have a swedish PASCAL compiler on it. I've
seen it running on our system, but can't find it.

...BRU
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: sysnet@cc.newcastle.edu.au (David Morrison)
Subject: "Remedy" trouble ticket/help desk system?
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:53:14 GMT

Within the last few days, I have seen references to a trouble ticket system 
called Remedy.  It apparently runs on a Unix machine and is graphically 
oriented, ie, it uses X.  It is also capable of interfacing with both Sunnet
Manager and Cabletron's Spectrum. 

Does anyone know anything about it or who to contact?

Thanks
-- 
David Morrison, Manager, Networks and Comms, Uni of Newcastle, Australia
sysnet@cc.newcastle.edu.au or (VAX PSI) psi%0505249626002::sysnet
Phone: +61 49 215397	Fax: +61 49 216910
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: dld@cs.monash.edu.au (Krishnamurthy society)
Subject: Seeking Krishnamurthy society
Summary: Seeking Krishnamurthy society
Keywords: Krishnamurthy, society
Organization: Computer Science, Monash University, Australia
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 08:34:22 GMT

   Hello.   Does anyone know of the existence of and/or a way to contact
the Krishnamurthy society.

Thank you.       - David D.
From: aland@nsg.nsg.com.au (Alan Dark)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: UIM/X 2 - Motif GUI Builder - Enhanced
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:53:00 GMT
Organization: Network Solutions Group / GEC Alsthom, Sydney


            UIM/X 2     The Motif GUI builder - Enhanced
            ============================================

A new and greatly enhanced version of the popular Motif GUI
Builder Tool, UIM/X has been released in Australia by i.t.connXions.

Visual Edge Software Ltd of Canada has built on their considerable
experience with the first version of UIM/X, to produce a significantly
enhanced "second-generation" development system. The first version of
UIM/X won a major "Product of the Year" award in the U.S.

Some of the many new features include:

        *   Completely redesigned colour, font, callback and
            pixmap editors and selectors.

        *   A new widget tree editor.

        *   User defined palettes.

        *   Custom widget capabilities.

        *   A new widget editor for working with
            multiple widgets simultaneously.

        *   Reads and writes UIL code.

        *   Optionally generates pure OSF/Motif code.

        *   Lots more....


    A Development System - not just a "screen painter".
    --------------------------------------------------

UIM/X 2 is not just a "screen painter" but a GUI development system.
When a new GUI screen has been interactively designed with the use of
a mouse, the actions of the GUI can instantly be tested by using
the in-built C interpreter. This saves an immense amount of time as
it avoids the tedious compile/link/run cycle that would normally be
required just to see the interface on the screen. This feature also
allows very easy prototyping of the GUI even before the underlying
application has been completed. But even further, it is possible to
link the actual compiled application with UIM/X and then develop
and test the GUI together with the real application (and real data).

The use of UIM/X 2 is proven to save between 50% and 80% of the time
required to develop a good Graphical User Interface over the
traditional methods.

UIM/X is available for most platforms.
                  _________________________


UIM/X 2 is Distributed in Australia by i.t.connXions, a division of
GEC ALSTHOM.   i.t.connXions provides a complete range of X-Windows
and Networking products.

Contact:     Alan Dark - Product Manager
             i.t.connXions                       Tel.  02 415 0550
             328 High St,
             Chatswood  NSW 2067                 Fax.  02 417 8870

             aland@nsg.com.au

        ____________________________________________________
From: nick@brimbank.pub.uu.oz.au (Nick Langmaid)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: What's Green & Yellow
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:54:00 GMT
Organization: APANA

eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (mr  h    hui) writes:

> It's common for the Australian sports team to have their uniforms
> designed in green and yellow. Does that symbolize anything like good and
> grass-field?

I've always believed that these were the colours of the wattle Acacia pycnantha,
which is Australia's national floral emblem.  I have no authority for that,
so maybe it's just rationalization on my part!

Cheers,
Nick.
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From: jerry@marin.uucp (Jerry C. Hudgins)
Newsgroups: aus.general,comp.sys.dec,vmsnet.pdp-11
Subject: Re: PDP-11 version of PASCAL wanted in OZ.
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 15 Aug 92 00:43:57 EDT
Organization: Private Use

In article <1992Aug13.200951.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> zcookbruc@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
> In article <1992Aug11.231307.14379@decus.com.au>, geremin@decus.com.au writes:
> > 
> > Hello ALL,
> > 		I have had a request from a member in Tasmania who
> > needs a copy of a PASCAL compiler for either RSX or RSTS. 
> > 
> > 		I have located a manual for Oregon PASCAL v1.2 
> > that was released for RSTS/E v7. and is dated circa 1980.
> > 
> > 		All help appreciated.	Regards, John G.
> > 
> 
> Didn't an RSX SIG tape have a swedish PASCAL compiler on it. I've
> seen it running on our system, but can't find it.
> 
> ...BRU

Yes, and there was an NBS Pascal available from DECUS, too.  I played with
both of them a long time ago.  The Oregon Software product is superior, but
it costs a bit more.  :-)

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From: wlmss@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: Video Power
Date: 16 Aug 92 16:41:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:peg:993300060:peg:993300064:000:1273
Nf-From: peg.UUCP!wlmss    Aug 16 11:41:00 1992


   That tether......
 
   So they blew it. Atlantis tried to reel out a half-ton satellite on
   the end of a 20.1 m tether and it got out to 870 ft and jammed and
   when they tried to wind it in it jammed again so they gave up and
   pulled it all aboard.
   Sorry to Auntie, even Time has funny ideas about power (double
   entendre) where they say:                          (17/8/92)
   "By stretching the copper-cored, shoelace-thin tether within the
   Earth's magnetic field, NASA scientists expected to generate up to
   5,000 volts of electricity, on the same principle that runs the
   alternator in a car."
   BTW on the same page TIME reports how AT & T Bell Labs have found
   a way to squeeze 45 billion bits of data onto 6.5 sq cm of disc
   space. It means that if for some ungodly reason somebody wished to
   do so, they could fit two copies of War and Peace (and an unknown
   number of angels) onto the head of a pin.
   Meanwhile a billion amp current has been detected flowing around
   Jupiter powered by the planet's megnetosphere (20,000 times Earth's)
   and fed with hot plasma being ejected from the hyperactive moon Io.
   Now there is a power source! (N.S. 22 Feb 1992)
 
                           Support U.N. military force against Serbia!
From: 815288a@darwin.ntu.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Canada E-MAIL ADDRESS
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:43:03 +0900

Can anyone help with an E-MAIL address for B.Wellman, University of Toronto,
Canada?????

D.Mitchell
Northern Territory University

Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
From: ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis)
Subject: Re: Lights in daytime
Keywords: lights
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:19:43 GMT

In <Bszn6I.7IC@quark.ansto.gov.au> jef@quark.ansto.gov.au (J. E. Fearon) writes:

>In article <1992Aug8.071704.19426@ucc.su.OZ.AU> dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU (David Dawes) writes:
>>In article <brians.713199551@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> brians@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Brian J Smith) writes:
>>>

>there is a theory that all lights on or all lights off is of no advantage ..
>as drivers get used to what ever one and then go back to blanking out bikers ..
>the theory goes that 50% on and 50% off works the best as this breaks up the
>familiarness (for want of a better word) of a morotcycle on the road to the
>driver.  ie. they don't get used to either as half the bikes they see will have
>the lights on and half off ..

I ride with my highbeams on during your average day and flash my highbeams during 
the night. On foggy days I have my parkers on and flash everybody. At night
I just use normal headlights. (had a 55/60W globe, put in 80/100W - much better
on country roads at night.

I don't think the glare from one motorcycle headlight is that annoying to
other drivers.

If it is, I'd rather they were annoyed that not have them see me. Oh - and
I ride defensively.

>Jason

>-- 
>Sidewindr 		'90 B3 ZX-10 Ninja       DoD #0435  
>e-mail: jef@ansto.gov.au
>Po Box 24 Engadine      A motorcyclist rides a motorcycle but a motorcycle
>N.S.W. Australia 2233   rider is not necessarily a motorcyclist. - jef.

Shckwish!

Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
From: Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au (Gary Woodman)
Subject: Re: Cager Alert!
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:35:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.005303.4571@physiol.su.OZ.AU> john@physiol.su.OZ.AU (John Mackin) writes:

>So my Modest Proposal is simple and obvious.  No one, under any
>circumstances, should be permitted to operate any vehicle on a
>public road other than a motorcycle, unless they can show proof
>that they have been an active, riding motorcyclist for at least
>some period (a year? two?).

Apparently the Poms have been doing this for years (correct me, or my wife, 
if you please) - it's not possible to obtain a licence to drive a _car_ 
over there without having held a licence for a _bike_ for a nominated time...

Good start do you think?

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From: mawson@aldetec.oz.au (Graeme Mawson)
Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Best bike for a newbie?
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:54:28 GMT
Organization: Aldetec Pty Ltd, Perth West Australia

In article <1992Aug19.151457.21953@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, Charles Ray writes:

> As I got little response last time ... i'll ask again ....
> What would be the best 250 to get?
> I am currently looking at GSX250's which I like ...... could somebody tell
> me if they ARE a good bike or not?

Well ... I'm far from a bike expert, but I would recommend the Suzuki GSX250S.
I picked up mine for $1200 (1985 model).  It runs really well and has had no
problems thus far (only had it 6 months :-).  I really like the feel compared
to other 250's.  It doesn't have heaps of power (being an old-ish 4 stroke),
but it also isn't sluggish.  The position is fairly upright, but I find it
very comfortable on long rides (some bikes you find yourself leaning too 
heavily on your wrists & they end up hurting).  Also, it is a fairly simple
bike ... so I've been able to fix up some of the cosmetics myself and the
engine "should" be easy to diagnose, should something go wrong.  I also really
like the display of which gear you are currently in (I know, I know ... "real"
bikes don't display this :-).  Fuel gauge is also handy.  I don't think many
250's of that age have these last two features ...?  Oh, one "problem" with the
GSX250S is the twin carbie.  It can be quite difficult to tune these properly,
so I recommend that, if you get one of these, you have a Suzuki dealer tune it
at first and then maybe at regular intervals.

> I have thought about CB250's but get told they are 'sluggish' are they?

Don't know ... but they are small.  How tall are you?  Over 6 foot and a CB250
will be too small.

> Also I know something about 'powerband' on 2-strokes .... should I be looking
> for a 2 or 4 stroke.

Again, I'm no expert, (not sure about 'powerband' ... could only guess) but I
would recommend a 4 stroke.  4 strokes tend to be more durable, so assuming 
you are looking at a bike around 1985 (since willing to spend $12-1500), this
is important.  A 2 stroke of this vintage is probably burning a bit of oil.
But, 4 strokes of that vintage are slower than 2 strokes (in general).  To me,
4 strokes sound better also :-) :-)

> Thanks for the help ...

All the best & safe riding ...
Graeme Mawson.
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Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
From: rda582y@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Charles Ray)
Subject: Best bike for a newbie?
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:14:57 GMT

As I got little response last time ... i'll ask again ....

What would be the best 250 to get?
I have been riding bikes foa long time, but mainly trail bikes, so I have 
no idea about road bikes.

I am currently looking at GSX250's which I like ...... could somebody tell
me if they ARE a good bike or not?

I have thought about CB250's but get told they are 'sluggish' are they?

Also I know something about 'powerband' on 2-strokes .... should I be looking
for a 2 or 4 stroke.

By the way ..... I'm looking at spending around 12-1500 dollars.

Thanks for the help ...

-- 
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  U     Charles Ray                         we've got the best of both    
 (-)    rda582y@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au      worlds here."     -- Midnight Oil
Newsgroups: aus.motorcycles
From: Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au (Gary Woodman)
Subject: Re: aus.motorcycles.nostalgia
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:44:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug4.062001.474@ucc.su.OZ.AU> dawes@physics.su.OZ.AU (David Dawes) writes:

>I'm managing to support 2 bikes at the moment -- an RGV250 and a DR650.
>The RGV is the bigger drain on the wallet (in tyres alone).

?? What would cause a 250 to use more tyres than a 650? You? ;-)

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