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From: BrianT@cup.portal.com (Brian Stuart Thorn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Review 9: "The Emissary" (SPOILERS)
Date: Sat,  9 Jan 93 20:29:03 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world,local
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>In article <1993Jan7.215630.3192@cci632.cci.com> tvf@cci632.cci.com (Tom Fraue
n
>hofer) writes:
>
>>>>Spoilers follow, so beware...
>
>
>>A good point, but who knows.  Remember, he's not a human - does he
>>only see with his humanoid eyes in that form?  Hey, how does a
>>jello-like shapeshifter sense the world, anyway?
>
>Interesting point.  Another point someone I was watching with brought
>up:  At what point does he rearrange himself?  Can he turn his hand into
>a phaser?
>
>The reason it was brought up was because of the communication pin (if
>that's what it is) that he's wearing on his shirt.  The shirt is him,
>not a piece of cloth.  Is the pin him, too, or is he wearing a pin?
>If it's him, does it work?  If so, just what *can't* he do? :-)
>
>I'd like to know how he sees, though, and if it's only through the
>eyes.  Can he make "eyes in the back of his head"?  Boy, this guy's
>got unlimited potential!

    Ah, the problems of portraying shapeshifters on TV or in movies
    (Term II, ST6:TUC) they all seem to be able to shape-shift the
    clothes they're wearing too. Terminator II at least tried to put
    some limits on it (they didn't do very well though) but Trek has
    opened a very dangerous can of worms.
    
    Eyes in the back of the head? Well, my guess is that he can only
    shift into something that physically works. When you see a humanoid
    wandering the promenade with eyes in the back of its head, then Odo
    can do so as well. Maybe he could shift into an alien lifeform with
    this particular feature, but not a humanoid.
    
    This definitely belongs under the heading "Don't think about this
    too much".
 
>Hmmm.  I must have been getting the Coke when that part was mentioned.
>I missed the "lessen the mass" part.  One other poster mentioned in was
>once on another episode.  The only time I remember it being mentioned was
>in Q-??? (episode where Q loses his powers).  They needed to move a moon,
>and asked Q how to do it.  He said "Just change the gravitational constant
>of the universe."

    "Deja Q", but wasn't there another episode with something like this?
    Maybe, "Masterpiece Society"?

    -Brian

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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Riker Takes Command!
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:52:40 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1993Jan5.155722.21021@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> tpenning@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Thomas R Pennington) writes:

>Okay, no real, do you all think that the ST producing crew would agree to
>spend several million on each show to have someone like Mel Gibson, Pierre
>Brosman (sp?), or Sean Connery as the captain of the Big-E? I think not.

What makes you think Pierce Brosnan, who hasn't had a hit since Remington
Steele, could command that kind of money?
From: rsmith@pearl.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lurking plot complication in DS9
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:37:17 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <11JAN93.16043530.0079@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000) writes:
> In article <1993Jan8.212533.8164@msi.com> bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras) writes:
>>: Actually, I think the problem is that the biofilter would determine
>>: the worm to be a parasite and eliminate it as such....
>>
>>This was never said in the TNG episode.  Perhaps you read it somewhere in
>>a TNG novel?
>>
> Actually, I recall that this was said in "The Host".

I'm afraid it wasn't.  I recently watched that episode on videotape, and while
it's clearly stated that the transporter would kill the parasite, no reason is
given for this.  The biofilter is a reasonable hypothesis as to why, but it's
not actually stated in the episode.

					--Rod Smith
					  RSMITH@PEARL.TUFTS.EDU
From: rcmtr@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Trevor Rook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Dax is too thin!
Date: 13 Jan 93 03:04:17 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
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jereese@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (jean reese) writes:

>>>She is just too thin. There no room for this slug in her and 
>>>internal organs at the same time. And why do they keep changing
>>>sex when they change hosts?.  
>>
>>If the humanoid half of the Trill have evolved to hold that slug in
>>their bodies then she probably has a convenient little cavity in her
>>abdomen.  Also, I noticed that the slug they showed in the DS9
>>premiere was much smaller than the one in "The Host" (as least from
>>memory).  Maybe TPTB thought of how it would fit in her body, too.

>The symbiont (sp) from DS9 is definitely smaller than the one from
>"The Host." I was very surprised when I saw that, because it's such
>an obvious size difference that is easily checkable.

>Jean


>>
>>Besides, I like her abdomen just the way it is. ;)
>>-- 
>>-----------------Greg-Harp----------------harp@netcom.com------------------
>>  "I think I've reached that point / Where every word that you write /
>>  Of every blood dark sea / And every soul black night / And every dream
>>  you dream me in / And every perfect free from sin / And burning eyes /
>>  And hearts on fire / Are just the same old song" -- The Cure


>-- 
>	"It is my view that the  vegetarian manner  of living by its 
>	purely physical effect on the  human temperament  would most 
>	beneficially influence the lot of mankind." - Albert Einstein
>	++++++++++++++++jereese@silver.ucs.indiana.edu+++++++++++++++

And now for something completely irrelevant...

   "A woman can't be too rich or too thin"

   The Duchess of York (not Fergie, but Mrs. Simpson)

-- 
#   Trevor J. Rook                         tjrook@rmit.edu.au
#   Applied Chemistry, RMIT                phone +61-3-660-3361 
#   Melbourne, Australia                   fax   +61-3-639-1321 
#   Apathy will be the ultimate downfall of mankind, but who cares?                                                        
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From: bverreau@netcom.com (stargazer)
Subject: Re: Casting the Captain (was Re: Riker Takes Command!)
Summary: smarter than Doogie Howser
Organization: near Starfleet Hq.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 09:39:57 GMT

You're overlooking the obvious choice...  Who will soon be
the Academy's first graduate ever commissioned directly to
a starship command?  Why, Capt. Wesley Crusher, of course!

  }:>
From: 00ajpayne@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien rank
Date: 12 Jan 93 02:03:14 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <1993Jan11.133748.1991@nynexst.com>, elissa@nynexst.com (Elissa Gilbert) writes:
> Just to throw some more fuel on the debate over O'Brien's rank: in the novelization of
> Deep Space Nine, he is referred to as an *Ensign*.  It is explicitly stated that this
> is a promotion for him, and that's one of the reasons he accepted the transfer.

Could it be possible that O'Brien's title as Transporter Chief could be
more of an "enlisted" rank,
and he was promoted to Ensign.
Making him promoted to officer status.

?????????
just a thought.
-Jay
From: koreth@spud.Hyperion.COM (Steven Grimm)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DSN review/synopses and r.a.s.reviews
Date: 12 Jan 1993 19:22:11 -0800
Organization: Hyperion, Mountain View, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: spud.hyperion.com

In <1993Jan12.183002.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>	Second, I think the idea of a rec.arts.startrek.reviews list is bloody
>absurd. Two reasons:
>		1) Who's to say what's a review and what's simple opinions here
>and there? Could irritate a lot of folks having to make that kind of judgement.

It's not hard.  Lay down simple rules in the group's charter.  For starters,
disallow any article that's in reply to another article, or that isn't about
a single episode in particular, or that is not intended to convey an opinion
about an episode, e.g., "Did anyone see the name of the shuttlecraft they
sent into the asteroid belt?"

That alone might be enough for some people.  You could take it further and
allow the moderator to reject messages like, "I thought it was cool.  Good
FX and the acting wasn't bad."  I believe rec.arts.movies.reviews works like
that, and works well; I haven't seen anyone complain about it.  The
moderator might also be empowered to reject incoherent reviews, or reviews
that are so poorly written that most readers wouldn't get much out of them.

Personally, I'd like to see all three of the above rules.  But I'd settle
for just the first one; I can easily enough put incoherent reviewers in my
kill file.  As long as the moderator doesn't reject articles because of the
opinions being expressed, which historically hasn't happened on Usenet, I
don't see that there's any real problem.

>		2) It'd be one more list to read, and cross-replies are a pain
>to keep track of. Hell, it's hard enough to keep track of follow-ups within the
>list itself, when the list in question is this big; can you imagine how
>convoluted everything'd get if r.a.s.r. articles got discussed here and people
>couldn't necessarily subscribe to or remember r.a.s.r.? Yick.

Do you have this objection to rec.arts.startrek.info?  Or to rec.humor.funny,
for that matter?  Or rec.arts.books.reviews, or comp.sys.mac.announce, or
just about any moderated part of a busy heirarchy?  This argument would be
true for maybe a month as the new group propogated.  But the subsequent
improvement would last for years.

If cross-group replies are a big problem in people's eyes, the moderator can
simply crosspost reviews to rasc and rasr; rasc readers will see the reviews
in their group and there'll be no confusion.  I'm not convinced such a step
is necessary, but it's trivial one way or the other.

>		It's a pain to wade through here, but I for one think it's
>still the fastest way to sort through all the newsitems to get to the ones that
>one would want to read.

It's the fastest presently available, sure.  That doesn't mean it's the
fastest possible.  Rec.arts.startrek was also the fastest way when it was
still around.

-Steve
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From: an92@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Dax
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:21:38 GMT

================================================
Ok, who out there thinks that we'll find out (or be left purposefully 
guessing) that, in one of his/her previous hosts, Dax was the alien
with the big feet who was falsely accused of wearing the pair of 
gravity boots in STVI?  The latest issue of TV Guide states that
Dax "... 300 year-old slug, who has lived previously in six other 
hosts.", hence leading to the possibility that this is the same Dax
as in STVI.  Personally, I think that the writers will leave us guessing
until the 5th or 6th season, that is, if the show survives past Sept.

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From: rod@cats.ucsc.edu (Rodrick Su)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Best line for DS9: The Emissary
Date: 7 Jan 1993 00:37:55 GMT
Organization: Tigana Restoration Inc.
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In article <16B4D143ED.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>   Can one quote be a spoiler?

> 
>   Chief O'Brien: "You never served with Bajoran woman before, have you,
>sir?"


	Also from O'Brien:  Shield?  What shield?
-- 
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From: bbs-aphelps@jwt.UUCP (Austin Phelps)
Subject: DS9: Emissary (Spoilers)
Reply-To: bbs-aphelps@jwt.UUCP
Organization: The Matrix
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 04:03:14 GMT

I'm warning you.






























When the Aliens got to the part of Jennifer death, how come they never 
questioned why she died? 

Sisko stated that we were peaceful people, but yet they seem to figure 
out that the Borg were attacking?

Austin C. Phelps            pick a address: bbs-aphelps@jwt.UUCP
-> Tf3 <- elsewhere                         aphelps@vicstoy.oau.org
"Let history never forget the name          tf3@delphi.com
Apple II Forever! Alliance C373   Enterprise   AAWO 3303
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:30:04 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1993Jan07.015117.27853@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood) writes:
>How about this?
>In BoBW, Riker is promoted to Captain (permanently). If Picard
>does not return, then Big E is his. Picard comes back, though.

Nope, I don't see it.  We would not have been stripped of his captain's rank
if this had been the case.

>Since Big E was his ship before it was Riker's, then he retains
>command. Now, Riker is a Captain without a ship. This is why he
>is offered (basically) his pick of the remaining fleet (at the
>time, he was the 2nd 'best' captain, with Picard being the
>best). When Riker refuses command of any other ship,

But he DIDN'T refuse command of any ship.  He DIDN'T ANSWER AT ALL.  (This is
one of the colossally stunning weaknesses of "The Best Of Both Worlds".)

Besides, why would he be offered command of "any ship in the fleet"?  All the
ships presumably already have captains, yes?  If he's going to displace one of
them, then why can't he simply choose the Enterprise?  No, I don't buy this at
all.  If they're going to offer him a command, it's going to be of a specific
ship.

>							he also
>refuses the rank of captain, and is demoted back to commander.

Incidentally, even if we grant all you've said above, then, if you're right,
this wouldseem to me to be sufficient cause for Starfleet Command to write off
Riker as a possible captain for any ship.  If they actually gave him his pick
of the litter, and he refused, why on Earth would they give him the
Enterprise?

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

"If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, and only one person were of the
contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one
person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."
                                                      -John Stuart Mill
From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Review 9: "The Emissary" (SPOILERS)
Date: 11 Jan 93 02:30:45 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <79521@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
]In article <1993Jan7.215630.3192@cci632.cci.com> tvf@cci632.cci.com (Tom Frauenhofer) writes:
]
]>>>Spoilers follow, so beware...

]
]>A good point, but who knows.  Remember, he's not a human - does he
]>only see with his humanoid eyes in that form?  Hey, how does a
]>jello-like shapeshifter sense the world, anyway?
]
]Interesting point.  Another point someone I was watching with brought
]up:  At what point does he rearrange himself?  Can he turn his hand into
]a phaser?

To quote Arnie, the T-800: "Negative, guns require moving parts and chemicals."
A phaser holds a lot of power and probably has *some* sort of parts (trigger
mechanism, etc.)
 
]The reason it was brought up was because of the communication pin (if
]that's what it is) that he's wearing on his shirt.  The shirt is him,
]not a piece of cloth.  Is the pin him, too, or is he wearing a pin?
]If it's him, does it work?  If so, just what *can't* he do? :-)

If it's him, it won't work. If it's a separate piece of electronics then
maybe he holds the thing inside himself while in other forms til he needs
it.
 
]I'd like to know how he sees, though, and if it's only through the
]eyes.  Can he make "eyes in the back of his head"?  Boy, this guy's
]got unlimited potential!

Maybe his entire body has sensor capabilities in each "cell" that link with
each other and form an array of sorts. There was an interesting discussion
of the T-1000's structure when T2 came out; something about it being made 
up of billions of cell-sized objects that acted as both a computer or brain
cell and a shifting piece. Wish I had some of those discussions.
 
]Hmmm.  I must have been getting the Coke when that part was mentioned.
]I missed the "lessen the mass" part.  One other poster mentioned in was
]once on another episode.  The only time I remember it being mentioned was
]in Q-??? (episode where Q loses his powers).  They needed to move a moon,
]and asked Q how to do it.  He said "Just change the gravitational constant
]of the universe."
]
]I think it was funny then, but to change the mass of the station with shields
]is, as you said, hokey.

In Deja-Q, Geordi had the idea of projecting the Big-E's warp field around
the moon, making the local mass lesser. Wasn't the station's subspace field
similar?
 


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I speak (type actually) for myself only. Even if I did decide to 
speak for UT, no one would listen. 

Flame away, I don't bleedin' care...
From: chan4@husc11.harvard.edu (Derek Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Question about DS9: Emissary
Date: 11 Jan 93 03:32:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan10.223203.19177
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Hi,
  I was wondering...what kind of ship was the Saratoga?  It looks like the USS
Reliant which was destroyed in STII....

Later.

-- 
Derek V. Chan                 | Harvard University    | chan4@husc.harvard.edu
Biochemistry & Molecular Bio. | Junior - Class of '94 | ========================
====================== Yale WHO?  Don't they make locks? =======================
  "You wouldn't be here if you already knew everything. . ." - Organic Chem. TF
From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Is there a boot "Hotel Royal"?
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:48:07
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA
Reply-To: Jason C. Austin <j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ab20.larc.nasa.gov
In-reply-to: zrsjp01@zmcipdec1.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de's message of Mon, 4 Jan 1993 08:41:02 GMT

In article <zrsjp01.726136862@zmcipdec1> zrsjp01@zmcipdec1.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Peter Jesinger) writes:
-> 
-> Does the book "Hotel Royal" which is mentioned in 
-> a ST:TNG really exist?
-> If yes, can anyone give me the ISBN Number please?
-> 
-> Thanks
-> 
-> Peter

	The Library of Congress catalog database doesn't have a book
with that title, so if there is such a book, it probably was not
published in the US.
--
Jason C. Austin
j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien rank
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:55:20 -0800
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

Here's an idea: maybe O'Brien is enlisted, but is an *acting* Lieutenant...

kinda like Wesley "Wonder-Boy" Crusher being an "acting" ensign.

BC

P.S. Saw "Time Squared" last night - O'Brien had two (2) pips.
8-P
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Subject: Re: Deep (Space 9) Thoughts  (spoilers)
From: hooverb@cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Bruce Hoover,Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:22:19 GMT
Organization: Concurrent Engineering Research Center
Originator: hooverb@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu

From article <1993Jan5.093833.13388@bsu-ucs>, by 00mjstum@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Matthew J. Stum):
> Just a couple of thoughts about DS9.... but first a word from our sponsors and
> a spoiler page:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
> 1) Did anyone find it strange when Quark said "I love a woman in uniform"?

But remember, the Ferengi supposedly keep their females naked, and view
a clothed woman as lustfully exciting, since the clothing just begs for
undressing. Maybe the type of clothing that Quark finds most lustfully
exciting is a uniform...

Bruce Hoover
 
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From: jnlong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey N Long)
Subject: Re: Casting the Captain (was Re: Riker Takes Command!)
Organization: The Ohio State University
 De Young) writes:
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:25:32 GMT

Charlton Heston has my vote for captain.  Imagine . . .

(On the viewscreen is a burned out and gutted Galaxy class starship)

DATA: Sir, It appears that these are the remains of the Yamato.

CAPTAIN BLUE_EYES: They BLEW it up! God Damn yooou!  Damn you all to HELLLL!

jl
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From: linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley)
Subject: Re: Troi's uniform and stuff
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, UCLA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:33:50 GMT

In a previous article charles@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Charles Jacob Cohen) spake...
[Edited for television]
>
>Note: I am posting this for a friend. Direct replies and/or flames to
>"chris@picasso.ocis.temple.edu". Thanks. - Chuck
>
>> - Blind Date (1982) [This is NOT the 1987 film with Bruce Willis]
>>     Plays a hooker, gets killed by taxi driver.
>> - Death Wish III (1985)
>>     Gets manhandled by bad guys.
>> - The Wiked Lady (British, 1983)
>>     In bed, later gets whipped by Faye Dunaway.
>
>I just find it significant that in ALL THREE movies she is in a sexually
>provocative scene, whether nude, raped by men, or whipped by a woman. The
>producers of ST:TNG must have known this when they cast her. 
>
>Does this say something about Marina Sirtis as an actress, or about the
>fact that women's roles in films are generally as hookers or victims?
>Are all new actresses obliged to play sluts until they get "discovered"?
>

It was I that posted the info. Now before anyone goes jumping to 
conclusions, let me say that the 'Bare facts video guide' lists ONLY
those movies/magazines/etc. in which a perticular actor/actress appears
nude (partial or otherwise) and EXCLUDES and hard porn stuff. Sirtis
may have appeared in other films, I just don't know. Anyone wanna take
this one?

>About Gates Mc Fadden...
>...And would the guy with the nude video guide
>look HER up to see what other films SHE has been in?!??!

Sorry, McFadden is clean. Denise Crosby (Yar) does have an extensive
listing of films/Playboy shoots/etc. I'll post details if there's any
intrest. No mention of any of the other regulars, either, though I
haven't looked up any of the DS9 crew.
Hope possession of a 'nude video guide' as you put it, doesn't speak too
negatively of yours truly. ;)

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