HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill)
Subject: Re: George Bush opposes democracy.
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:22:47 GMT

In article <Brv7Fq.5t7@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, djd33237@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Denny d'Alelio ) writes:
>
>BTW, it is the responsibility of evry registered voter to at least persuade 
>one non-voter to vote in his voting-lifetime.

A worthy cause.

>If they don't know who to vote for or like either candidate, tell them to a)pay
>attention to the news and not the tractor-pull shows on ESPN or b)vote for a minor
>3rd party. 

My advice: if you don't know who to vote for:

	-read the papers
	-watch the news
	-attend debates
	-contact the candidates
	-ask friends who they're voting for, and why

If you don't like any of the candidates, either don't vote, or vote for the
so-called "lesser of evils".  Don't randomly vote for a sure loser.  Don't
automatically vote along party lines.  Don't automatically vote against the
incumbent.  Don't blindy vote for the leader or underdog according to the polls.

If you can't make an informed decision, you shouldn't bother to vote.

>Remember a vote for a loser is better than no vote at all.

I disagree.  Not voting is better than a voting badly.  The last thing we need is to
flood the polls with uneducated voters making stupid or random choices.  Most people
who bother to vote at least make an attempt to do it rationally.  If you can't do the
same, let people who care who wins make the choice.

-- 
Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov)	   For every Bill Joy there is a Kirk McKusick.
Martin Marietta Energy Systems     For every Bill Gates there is a Richard
Workstation Support                Stallman.                     --Paul Graham
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.guns,talk.abortion
From: shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer)
Subject: Re: democratic platform OOPS!
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:55:34 GMT

I posted...

>In a civilized society clear cut cases of self defense would never
>come to trial and in those that did the state would pay all legal
>fees and possibly other compensation.

But I left out...

if the defender was aquited.

Sorry!

				mike
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: dgp@atlas.wustl.edu (Don Porter)
Subject: Re: Whether you like Clinton or not,...
Followup-To: talk.abortion
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:32:17 GMT

<1992Jul30.180538.23818@udel.edu> (Brian Lintz) writes:
> After all, the extreme pro-choice people had no
> trouble with Roe v. Wade and that allowed 3rd trimester abortions to be 
> prohibited except to save the mother's life.

Nitpick: ...or health.  How big a nit that is depends on who you
ask.  Right-to-life organizations claim that this health exception
in Roe v Wade, coupled with a broad definition of "health" in
a companion case, Doe v. Bolton, creates a legal atmosphere where
prohibition of third trimester abortions is unworkable and 
unenforceable.  This, they claim, leads to a court-enforced policy
of "abortion on demand" throughout pregnancy.  I'm not convinced of 
their arguments, but to my knowledge they haven't yet been tested 
in court. i.e. I'm unaware of any post-Roe convictions for illegal
post-viability abortions.

> Well, the SC struck down the spousal notification, and I think the
> 24 hour waiting period should have been struck down as well. If a
> woman is poor and must travel a long distance to get to a clinic
> this waiting period may make impossible to get an abortion there. 
> They can't afford a hotel and can't afford more than one trip...

The waiting period may still be invalidated on grounds like those 
you describe.  Planned Parenthood v. Casey was a facial challenge
of the law.  That is, the law never went into effect.  It was
challenged solely on its verbal content.

Since it had not gone into effect, there was no evidence before
the court of the degree of burden the law represented to women
seeking abortions.  Courts try to base decisions on facts in
evidence, not speculation.  If in fact the waiting period does cause 
an undue burden in practice, a new lawsuit might bring a ruling 
against that provision.  We'll have to wait and see.

Since we're no longer discussing the election, I've directed 
follow-ups to talk.abortion.

|   Don Porter | dgp@saturn.wustl.edu | Washington University in St Louis   |
|  "The effect of liberty to individuals is, that they may do what they     |
|   please; we ought to see what it will please them to do, before we       |
|___risk congratulations." -- Edmund Burke._________________________________|
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Bush in 92 ?!?!?!
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:53:44 GMT

In article <14lbejINNlns@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> Robert_Ryan@brown.edu (Rob Ryan) writes:
>
>Personally, I think that Quayle should be dumped now.  That gives Bush
>enough time to remind conservatives that the alternative is Clinton and
>probably keep the conservatives voting for him.  It also gives Bush
>some respectability for finally getting rid of Quayle and possibly woo
>some fence sitters if he got someone like Kemp or Baker.  The downside
>is that he'd lose his assassination insurance (kidding).  Bush seems to be
>worried that any change of VP would be tantamount to confessing that he made
>a mistake and had to change his mind.  Personally, I think that the damage
>due to that will be less than the damage incurred by keeping a liability
>like Quayle around.

Bush can also be called on questions of loyalty to subordinates.
His statement about doing anything to win will come back to haunt
him: for the sake of retaining power, he'll betray friends.  Baker's
entry into the campaign can be attacked along similar lines.



Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: barbehen@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Michael Barbehenn)
Subject: Re: Where's all that money? (was: My thoughts on Clinton's character)
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:39:03 GMT

zursch@whizkid.corp.sgi.com (Jeffrey B. Zurschmeide) writes:

>In article <1992Jul22.214308.27457@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, Michael Barbehenn writes:
>>It is ALWAYS better to have the money and be taxed than to not have the
>>money in the first place.  Anything short of 100% taxation means that
>>for every dollar earned, something goes into the bank.

>Truly spoken like someone who does not work for a living... ;^) 

>In fact, it is not always better to have the money and be taxed. Basic 
>microeconomics teaches us about opportunity costs. If the tax rates
>go up much more, my wife will probably drop out of the working world
>because the cumulative affect of all the costs associated with going to 
>work will have gotten to be higher than the value we get out of her paycheck. 
  :
  :

Point well taken.  Of course part of your argument hinges on the current
status of welfare and the tax loopholes, etc.  Supposedly they're going
to fix that.  I'm not sure, but it seems to me that welfare should be
set up in conjunction with a minimum wage and taxes, so that it is
ALWAYS better to work than not.  Then there's that something or other
about child credits...

--
-Michael Barbehenn
 AI Group/Beckman Institute
 U. Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.guns
From: dbetz@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Drew Betz)
Subject: Re: democratic platform
Organization: SigSauer Fan Club 
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:44:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.180213.510@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dbetz@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Drew Betz) writes:
>but will have no effect on other sources (indeed, the background
>check at retail would stop about 1/6th of the sales - criminals
>already don't but their guns retail).  The other sources are

This is poorly worded.  Only about 1/6th of criminals attempt to
purchase their guns at retail.  (I most certainly did NOT mean to say 
that 1/6th of all gun sales are to criminals!) 

Drew 
--
drew betz : wj8k : dbetz@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu   
"Our campaign is the opposite of 'competence.'"
- Clinton aide Eli Segal, quoted in the 7/22/92 _Wall Street Journal_ 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.abortion
From: kossack@owlnet.rice.edu (Jordan Marc Kossack)
Subject: Re: democratic platform
Followup-To: steven@advtech.uswest.com
Organization: A Glorified, Overheated Swamp
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:38:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.222601.8031@advtech.uswest.com> steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak) writes:
>
>We're talking about guns that kill people, Ngai.  Let's not be condescending.

	We're talking about abortions that kill people, Novak.  


>>>Forcing a woman to wait a "mere" 24 hours to get an abortion makes zero
>>>sense.  It's just something you control freaks are into.  She has done no
>
>>The use of the term "control freak" is amusing in this context.
>
>Why?  A gun could be used to kill someone.  A waiting period for a woman
>desiring an abortion simply makes it hard for, say, a poor woman travelling

	Yes, a gun could be used to kill someone, but then again, so 
   could a knife, an axe, rat poison, an automobile, ad nauseum.  On 
   the other hand, the SOLE PURPOSE of an abortion is to abort a fetus. 

	Since abortions kill, why shouldn't they have a waiting period? 

>-- 
>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>| Steve Novak |    |"Nothing to do to save his life..."| 
>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>steven@advtech.USWest.Com

	An interesting signature, all things considered.  

-- 
 Jordan M Kossack  |  "Don't dial 911;    
 kossack@rice.edu  |   Dial M1911A and let it ring seven times." 
  +1 713 240 2073  |         -- sybok@m37-332-1.MIT.EDU (The Terminator)
  
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,talk.politics.misc
From: szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo)
Subject: Re: The people want a change in Washington!
Keywords: Democrats, Republicans
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 644-8135
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 11:24:08 GMT

>blais@milo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Kristin Blais) writes:
>>Ahem , Clinton is a Southern Baptist. A *devout* Southern Baptist
>>who goes to church every Sunday and doesn't drink liquor

In article <rdippold.711831546@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>Wrong.  He himself said he drank liquor occasionally.

Yea, but he didn't _swallow_.



-- 
szabo@techbook.COM  Public Access User --- Not affiliated with TECHbooks
Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 644-8135 (1200/2400, N81) 
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From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: My thoughts on Clinton's character
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:58:20 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Jul21.095705.21029@imag.fr> turk@imag.fr (Matthew Turk) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.113955.1974@cl.cam.ac.uk> jb145@panther.cl.cam.ac.uk (J. Boyan) writes:
>>[...]
>>90% of the nation's wealth is in the hands of 1% of the people:
>
>Can you back this figure up with a reference?  Sounds like folklore to
>me.
>
>	Matthew Turk


Go to a library and find out...

Within a margin of +-0.5% this figure is true...

If you haven't been listening many people have been telling us of the
movement of wealth upwards to the wealthy.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.guns,talk.abortion
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: democratic platform
Organization: The Cat Factory
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:18:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.191452.14416@igor.tamri.com> donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes:
}In article <1992Jul24.155824.4433@advtech.uswest.com> steven@jaynes
}( Steve Novak) writes:
}>My concern is to stop, if not all, a big chunk of gun purchases by minors,
}>criminals, etc.  If a background check can be performed in, say, 20 minutes,
}>then to me that is a long enough wait.  If the technology's there in terms
}>of quick access to up-to-date data, great.
}
}This is not a consideration, as minors cannot buy guns now.  I believe
}that you must be 18 to buy a rifle/shotgun and 21 to but a handgun now.
}Everywhere in the US.

In California, minors aren't even allowed to enter a gun store unless
accompanied by an adult.

Much good it's done us ... )-:

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                   Turn the rascals out!
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483     No incumbents in '92!
Santa Monica, CA  90405 {rutgers|pyramid|philabs|psivax}!ttidca!hollombe
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: Query...
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:09:45 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <14mhcpINNa3g@network.ucsd.edu> erwin@bend.ucsd.edu (Sean Erwin) writes:
]When was the last time there was a Democratic President and Congress?
1977-1981

My question: When was the last time there was a Republican President
and Congress? (1981-1987 don't count - the house was democrat controlled).
-- 
John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)
john@anasazi.com ncar!noao!asuvax!anasaz!john anasaz!john@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
- Democracy is two wolves and a sheep using majority vote to decide what -
- to have for dinner. SUPPORT THE BILL OF RIGHTS - INCLUDING THE 2nd! -
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From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.theory
Subject: Idiotic Subject Lines and the Nolan Chart (was: Re: Parallels between the Nazi's and the Democrats)
Date: 26 Jul 92 02:15:58 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

Help!! The Nolan Chart is coming back!  This is where the
degree of "political" liberalism is laid out horizontally
and the degree of "economic" liberalism is laid out 
vertically, and then it's tilted so -- guess who?  the
libertarians come out on top!

If you guys keep it up I'm going to publish goddamned 3-,
4-, and 5-dimensional charts, and ruin your terminals!
After all, who's to say social freedom isn't important?
How about informational freedom?  What about the way in
which property rights are implemented?  What about the
possibility of using fractals?

What about the possibility that politics is not
reducible to plane geometry?
-- 
Gordon Fitch | gcf@panix.com | uunet!cmcl2!panix!gcf 
*       1238 Blg. Grn. Sta., N.Y., N.Y. 10274      *
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Adios, Smith Corona
Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: DESY ZEUS Central Data Acquisition
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:54:50 GMT

In article <c7fm8bd.crisp@netcom.com>, crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp) writes:

|>In article <1992Jul22.144047.17337@tc.cornell.edu>
|>shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:
|>>[]
|>>Smith Corona has announced that it's shutting the doors on
|>>its Cortland, NY plant and moving all of its manufacturing
|>>operations to Mexico.  There will be *no* typewriter
|>>manufacturing left in the U.S. after the move occurs.
|>>
|>>Thanks, George.
|>>-- 
|>Thanks, Congress for:
|>Minimum wage legislation
|>
|>Thanks Unions:
|>for pricing labor higher than the prevailing global rate.

In other words the US people don't want to have a high wage, high
standard of living ecconomy. They want to continue to produce obsolete
products like *typewriters* using obsolete equipment.

Geez, what market do you think exists for IBM type heavy duty
typewriters in the US these days? You are all typing on the successor
product.

I bet you will also blame the unions for the loss of the mangle making
industry.


If you want to keep jobs you need a trained and educated workforce. If
the US can't do better in that area than Mexico then it's headed for the
soup.


Phill
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao)
Subject: Re: Adios, Smith Corona
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:27:09 GMT

In article <gggml+-.crisp@netcom.com> crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.233019.9681@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min "Chairman Mao" Zhao) writes:
>>In article <c7fm8bd.crisp@netcom.com> crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp) writes:
>>>In article <1992Jul22.144047.17337@tc.cornell.edu> shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:
>>>>[]
>>>>Smith Corona has announced that it's shutting the doors on
>>>>its Cortland, NY plant and moving all of its manufacturing
>>>>operations to Mexico.  There will be *no* typewriter
>>>>manufacturing left in the U.S. after the move occurs.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks, George.
>>>>-- 
>>>Thanks, Congress for:
>>>Minimum wage legislation
>> 
>>  Thanks Mr. Crisp, for showing us what ignorance is. 
>> 
>>  Now we all know you got straight As in your (economics) courses you took 
>>at Texas A&M, (I feel sorry for A&M, a fine school nevertheless) let me ask 
>>you a common sense, 
>> 
>>  Where are the minimum wage jobs ?   At GM, GE, Smith Corona ?   
>>
>Minimum wages have the effect of reducing employment or increasing
>unemployment (state it your preferred way).
>
>The Democrats love to spike the Republicans when the Republicans
>oppose incresing the minimum wage. They say "these guys are against you
>workere, but we are looking out for you". When the minimum wage increase 
>finally happens, the employers around the country discover that their
>expenses go up for labor but they aren't making any more money. So they
>cut a few jobs. SOME FAVOR THE DEMOS DID FOR THE LAID OFF WORKERS.
>
>
>-- 
>Richard Crisp         Cupertino, Ca.         crisp@netcom.com
>(415) 903-3832 wk    "what, me worry?"    (408) 253 4541 fax
>We have four boxes used to guarantee our liberty:
>The soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the cartridge box
 

  So, Mr. Crisp, does the fact that we have lost more decent paying jobs
and more people are having minimum wage or low wage jobs suppout your 
claim ? 
 
  Why can't you just stick to the issue rather than doing the partisan
(or republican) politik ?   
 
  The first person said Smith Corona is moving it's plant to Mexico,

  You then said it's because Democrates increased Minimum wages
  
  I then asked where is Minimum wage jobs, (not in Smith Corona, let me
  remind you),
  
  Then you repeat your partisan rhetoric that Democrates pushed for
  minimum wage increase.  


  I want to ask, when a Smith Corona engineer loses his job of $50k
or an asembly line worker loses her job of $20 a hour, is that because
of the minimum wage increase ?   
 
  Early this morning, I drove by the state fair ground, where there was
a huge line of people waiting to pick up their application for the two
week fair job,  I wonder how many of those in the line used to make 
$15 or more an hour.    


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From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Adios, Smith Corona
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:17:09 GMT
Reply-To: pajerek@kadsma.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar

In article <1992Jul24.130542.17573@fia.dmg.ml.com> jogulin@camelot.fia.dmg.ml.com (Joseph Ogulin) writes:
>
>Before you thank George, be sure to thank Mario and his "tax the state and
>give to NYC" policy...
>
>Joe Ogulin

Taxes in NYS are high, but not because of Cuomo. The only changes in
the tax code since Cuomo took office have been tax *cuts*.


Don Pajerek

Standard disclaimers apply.
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From: jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: democratic platform
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:59:40 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

From article <1992Jul29.151549.4207@dazixca.ingr.com>, by ronp@dazixca.ingr.com (Ron Phillips):
> In article <1992Jul29.011847.9363@ttinews.tti.com> hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
>>
>>In California, minors aren't even allowed to enter a gun store unless
>>accompanied by an adult.
>>
> 
> WHAT???? Are you saying all those kids shooting each other in L.A., 
> Oakland, Stockton & etc. are getting their guns illegally???  If so,
> why aren't they being charged under the existing laws that are being 
> broken?    :-)
>

Can you say "Plea bargain"?

I knew you could. 
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
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From: dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,sci.economics
Subject: Re: Wealth Distribution (Was: Clinton's character...)
Date: 22 Jul 92 06:52:37 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide

In article <1992Jul21.195725.9314@leland.Stanford.EDU> jimbo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Godfather of Soul) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.184519.14982@tamsun.tamu.edu>, fred@johnd.tamu.edu (Fred Seals 5-2298) writes:
>|> In article <1992Jul21.174022.23688@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, harlan@sulu.lerc.nasa.gov (Harlan Harris) writes:
>|> |> In article <1992Jul21.095705.21029@imag.fr> turk@imag.fr (Matthew Turk) writes:
>|> |> >In article <1992Jul20.113955.1974@cl.cam.ac.uk> jb145@panther.cl.cam.ac.uk (J. Boyan) writes:
>|> |> >>[...]
>|> |> >>90% of the nation's wealth is in the hands of 1% of the people:
>|> |> >
>|> |> >Can you back this figure up with a reference?  Sounds like folklore to
>|> |> >me.
>|> |> >


Here's a very interesting, related, question:


If you shared out the world's wealth equally to everyone: how much
would we all get???
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From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,sci.econ
Subject: Re: Minimum wage: balancing job losses vs pay increases
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:19:54 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1504@cogsci.ucsd.EDU>, king@cogsci.ucsd.EDU (Jonathan King) writes:

| No.  I support giving them training so they won't have to chase after
| minimum wage jobs.  (Assuming that the minimum wage isn't enough to
| pay the bills, which it isn't, in many places.)

  Now there's one. It occurs to me that there might be a slight problem
with your idea, due to the fact that SOMEONE has to collect the garbage,
work in fast food chains, sweep floors, etc. And unless you support the
idea of making those jobs pay more than skilled jobs, then they will be
minimum wage jobs and somebody will have to do them.

  Communism has failed, capitalism works by having people at the top and
the bottom of the income scale and rewarding positive social behavior
(like getting training, working more hours, etc) with a move up the
scale. I equate positive social behavior to producing more product or
service, not in any moral sense.
-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
	It never ceases to amaze me that otherwise rational people, able to
	understand calculus, compound interest, and the income tax form, can
	continue to believe that poker is a game of chance.
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