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From: houten@convex.com (Betty Van Houten)
Subject: Re: WHY DID YOU CHOOSE YOUR P
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:35:55 GMT
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Debbie.Kesling@bird.com (Debbie Kesling) writes:


> > 	All right well in my case I adopted Jigger from my ex-business 
> > partner
> > his wife had just had a new baby and since Cockatoo's have been 
> > known to attack
> > children he offered Jigger to me.  When I met Jigger he did his best 

> 
>I must take exception to the comment that "since Cockatoos have been known to
>attack children..."!
> 

When my son was born seven years ago, I had an Umbrella Cockatoo which
both my husband and I loved dearly. She was very loving, to the point
of being a real pest.

I would find Cory on my son looking down at him every time I turned around.
Cory would get on the cradle sides, and even go sit on his chest or back,
and sit by his head. I never hear Erick cry because of this, and I never
saw Cory even attempt to bite Erick. But what if something had happened!!
(I did see Cory  pulling at his blankets, and clothing)

Keeping them physically apart was not an option, because we were in a
very small house at the time. And even with clipped wings, Cory got 
where ever she wanted to go. (Including coming upstairs) And I just
couldn't see leaving her in the cage 90% of the time.

When my son turned seven I got another Umbrella Cockatoo. He is now
old enough to understand how to handle a bird, and I don't have to
worry about the bird hurting Erick, or Erick hurting the bird.

Perhaps attack is a little to strong of a word, but a "misunderstanding"
could happen, and I didn't want to wait to see what would happen.

Betty Van Houten
houten@convex.com

Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: rnewlund@noc.vitalink.com (robin newlund)
Subject: Re: Are pistachios poisionous to birds?
Reply-To: rnewlund@noc.vitalink.com (robin newlund)
Organization: vitalink communication corp an nsc company
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:12:29 GMT

Last night I went to the Pet Store to buy parrot mix for my new bird. In the 
deluxe parrot mix there were pistachios. Caused me to pause for a moment as
I recalled your message. Apparently they must be on the acceptable foods list.
When our budgie died, after a long illness, short recovery and quick relaspe 
and death, we had an autopsy done - just to see if what he had was contagious
to our other bird. It really helped to talk to the vet because I blamed myself
for his illness and everything connected to it. An autopsy can give you piece
of mind and more confidence to try again.

robin l newlund
From: phil@yogi.axion.bt.co.uk (Phil DNM44)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Congo grey chewing
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:59:59 GMT
Reply-To: phil@yogi.axion.bt.co.uk (Phil DNM44)
Distribution: rec
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


>> Try rawhide dog toys.... They're good and tough so they last more than 5 
>> minutes, and my step-mom's grey ADORES them to the point that he'll steal
>> them from the dog when she isn't looking...

>> --aschi


ok, but if mine doesn't annoy everyone, or at least appear to be the centre of attention, she soon gets bored!! - then makes a noise again.

rattling her cage is the favourite, it's really noisy.

she only keeps vaguely quite is if she's wandering about on the floor - probably because this annoys the poor old dog...


Anybody had any experience of greys really panicking and sqwawking a t some sights? we have a foldaway bed, she hates that (it's red in colour), and shes also hates a beaded car-seat belt cover ...


phil.
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From: Jay@deepthot.cary.nc.us (Jay Denebeim)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Red lored amazon
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:43:56 GMT
Organization: The Software Distillery

In article <702544808.7@wyrm.rbbs-net.ORG> Doris.Marsh@f501.n914.z8.rbbs-net.ORG (Doris Marsh) writes:

>Frankly, I think the husband should have shown the wife the
>door and kept the bird.  

My ex-wife once told me 'Either the bird goes, or I go'.  Well, Lance 
is still around...

He's a Blue & Gold Macaw, and sometimes when he's screaming his head
off, I regret the decision.  However when he started singing 'You 
are my sunshine' a couple of weeks ago, I knew he was the one for me.

I've had many people in my life, but Lance has been the only one who's
been constant.

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: birds in walmart
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:48:50 EST
 <1992Apr13.162448.17766@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> 
 <1992Apr13.215328.12228@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com> <1992Apr14.024257.14916@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Apr14.024257.14916@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, hubler@galaxy.lerc.nasa.gov (Dale Hubler) writes:
> In article <1992Apr13.215328.12228@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com> bkelley@pms704.pms.ford.com (Brian Kelley) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr13.162448.17766@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bmartino@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob Martino) writes:
>>>In article <1992Apr10.183535.181@unx.sas.com> sasefj@junebug.unx.sas.com (Edith
>>> Jeffreys) writes:
>>>     I am appalled at this practice.
>>
>>It is very depressing.  I generally avoid the bird sections at those types
>>of stores :-(
>>
>>>What do you guys think?
>>
>>Initially, I didn't have any good ideas on how to improve this situation.
>>However, I just thought of something that just might help.  How about
>>some paper stickers (the kind that really don't like to come off) which
>>read something like 
>>"BOYCOTT POORLY TREATED MASS MERCHANDISED BIRDS - BUY DIRECT FROM BREEDERS
>>AND PET STORES!"
>>

I have a problem with this, I'd take off the pet store part.  ARound here,
the worst offenders are the Doctor's Pet Stores.  Their birds are in much
worse shape than any of the discount places.  

>>
>>Surely this is a rather radical suggestion, but this really bugs me.
>>
>>  Brian
>>
> I think it's a great suggestion.  Bumper sticker sized in bright
> orange!  With real strong glue.  My list of stores.
> 
> Marc's 
> Sun Electronics (formerly Home Centers)
> Woolworths
> 
> and one of the most inappropriate places;
> 
> Children's Palace!
> 
> Happily they have discontinued this I believe, but a couple of
> years ago they were selling cockatiels in a toy store!
> 
> Dale
> --
> Dale A. Hubler  (216) 977-7014   hubler@lerc.nasa.gov
> Progress marches on, trampling everything in its path.
From: rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: LOVE BIRD
Date: 7 Apr 1992 14:58:11 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

In article <702579877.0@bird.com> Debby.Steele@bird.com (Debby Steele) writes:
>
> > friend
> > who breeds love birds.  We have had him about 2 months now and he is
> > starting to bite us every time we put our hands in the cage.  We are
> > very inexperienced with birds, but have read many book to educate
> > ourselves.  We work with the love bird everyday but all of a sudden 
> > he
> > is biting more aggresively.  Does anyone have any advise?  Thanks!
>
>Sorry, I don't have any advice but I do have the same problem. I have a Masked
>lovebird (They are like fisher's) that I handfed from 2 weeks old and he also
>bites a lot. He's about 4 months old now and seems to be getting better but he
>still bites a lot and it hurts. The weird thing about him is he doesn't bite to
>be mean and aggressive he just explores by biting. I've tried blowing on him
>when he bites, but then he just reaches up and bites me in the lips, so lately
>I've been dropping my hand to throw him off balance a little and say NO real
>firm and that seems to be helping. The eye ring species of lovebirds and
>nervous, timid, fearful little things for the most part and I think that's why
>they are so nippy. I have a 2 year old handfed peachface lovebird and he's the
>sweetest thing in the world and has never bitten. I really question the pet
>quality or the eye ring species.
>
Hey!  Just because _you_ don't like/understand them doesn't mean they don't
make good pets!  I have 4, plus one baby left, a female (I think) now 9+
weeks old.  She doesn't bite hard (yet) but does explore everything with
her beak.  Watch adult personata loevebirds (the white-eye-rig species:
Black-masked and Fischer's, as well as 2 others less frequently kept)--they
constantly nibble at eachother.  THey also make a high-pitched ouch noise to
mean no, not so hard.  With my baby I use 2 fingers together to mimic a beak,
and "nibble" back at her; she gets the idea.  Also offer crunchy things for
your bird to chew on instead of your ear--they are chewers and need things
to destroy, like celery, carrots, or the tractor-feed edges of computer paper--
mine hear the sound of those being torn off and start to shriek!

My 4 fischer's are _not_ nervous and timid--they would take on a pigeon if
it landed on their cages.  TheY _do_ damage eachother's feet with their
fighting and must be given space and things to chew to be happy.  But they
certainly can and do learn the difference btwn biting people to be malicious
and biting celery for the delightful crunch of it!

Ruth
From: jrp@bohra.cpg.oz.au (John Pitman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: cockatiels and cockatoos
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:55:06 GMT
Organization: Computer Power Software

Hi there,
1. cockatiels (grey) - the males have a sharply defined bright orange spot
on their cheek, where the females have theirs less bright, and not as weel
defined. In my experience out native cockatiels don't seem to be noisy,
maybe having to keep your birds inside due to the weather could be a factor.
Where I live they are aviary bred as they come from central Oz , but native
birds flying about include sulphur cresteds (very noisy), rainbow lorikeets
in large numbers, musk lorikeets, eastern rosella, crimson rosella, gang-gangs,
(black cockatoos, males with red crests- large, similar to suphurs). one little
corella has joined a flock of over 40 sulphur cresteds , and feeds on the back
porch with them. There are many galahs - grey and pink. as you can see the list of wild parrots is long and we live < 15 miles from centre of a 2mill city.
i am talking about parrots as they seem to be popular in usa, but I have raised
several tawny frogmouth owls ( really are nightjars) from very small to release
size. we house our birds out in the open, and have access to gum trees (which  
shouln't be a problem in California).
2. sulphur cresteds are very noisy in captivity and are very strong biters.
they talk to their wild brothers as they fly past calling (SCREAMING) at
dusk. Don't house them (or galahs ) in wooden cages as they will tear soft 
wood to pieces.

Sad to say, many of our beautiful birds are regarded as pests, and shot by
the farming community (esp the corella in some areas) .
hope this was of some interest.
Wendy P
From: mmorgan@ky31.ecn.purdue.edu (Mark T Morgan)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Need Goffin Advice
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:00:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: noose.1992Apr9.220055.27434
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I can speak for the Goffin that my wife & I have.  They are nice pets.  We have
a female that is 4 yrs. old and was hand fed as a baby.  We've had her only 4 months
but she has turned into a very friendly pet.  However, I can say this because
she has taken me as her mate (so to speak).  My wife can hardly touch her without
getting tested with a bite.

The only drawback to this bird as a pet is her neverending desire for attention!
She always wants to be on you, chewing off your buttons, or playing with your 
hair.  When you blow on her she'll preen her feathers.  This constant cry for
attention can start to get to you, believe me.  Ignoring her doesn't work 
either, she'll try to climb up you pants or just sit on your shoe until you pick
her up.  She is definitely not a kitten.  These birds are very active.  

She has never been too much to handle, in terms of biting, though.

There's one Goffin experience for you.


--- Mark
From: jude@solhaven.Eng.Sun.COM (Judy Potzler)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Valuable Resource, "The Pet Bird Report"
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:04:51 GMT
Reply-To: jude@solhaven.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: solhaven

Folks -- I'm new to this alias and a fairly new "big bird" owner.
An excellent source of info for me is "The Pet Bird Report", a newsletter
started last fall by Sally Blanchard (a bird behavioral expert who often
writes for Bird Talk Magazine).  I recently subscribed and asked for all
the back-issues and this past weekend I read all 4 issues cover to cover. 
I found "The Pet Bird Report" to be absolutely packed with valuable
information (and yes, I've been reading Bird Talk for a couple of years),
and well worth the subscription price.  Check it out:

Sally Blanchard
Pet Bird Information Council
The Pet Bird Report
2236 Mariner Square Drive, #35
Alameda, CA  943501

510/523-5303 phone
410/521-6475 FAX

$18/year in USA, $26 [US funds] in Canada; First Class Delivery $26 in USA

Some additional offerings [_not_ a comprehensive list]:
*Seminars on pet bird behavior in various locations throughout the US
*Telephone consults $85 prepaid for 2 hours; money well spent in my experience;
	send check with your phone number to Sally at above address and she
	will call you back to schedule a phone appointment


FYI, I gain nothing by giving Sally this "plug" except the satisfaction of
helping spread what I consider good information around.  Several years ago
before Sally's schedule got so hectic, I hired her for a couple of hours on
an "in-home" consult, and it was worth every penny and more.

Judy
From: rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Love birds
Date: 8 Apr 1992 11:17:55 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

In article <1992Apr7.201634.827@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>
>PS.  I saw a local ad for Quaker parakeets (untamed) for $35.   That's
> really good price, how hard are they to tame?  Are they naturally mean?
>
>
I should change the subject line but I don't know how--sorry!  THere was
a special on Quakers in BirdTAlk severla months back.  It said they do not
tame well once grown, but if handfed become very tame and friendly.  They
can be noisy and they are one of the few psittacine nestmakers, so they
will chew and destroy things.  Also they are illegal in some states--check.
They are from southersn South America so can handle temperate winters--a big
plus!  Oh--they also learn to talk, but I don't know how much.

Ruth
From: ronb@strl.labs.tek.com (Ron Bremer;5608;50-662;LP=A;)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Jardine Parrots...
Keywords: Jardine
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:43:44 GMT
Reply-To: ronb@crl.labs.tek.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: CRL, Tektronix Inc, USA

In article <1992Apr14.183134.9521@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, wlj@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Walter Jackson) writes:
|> Does anyone have any experience or sources of info relating to a Jardine
|> Parrot.   Any info would be greatly appreciated.

According to a Bird Talk magazine article, the author's favorite parrot of
that genus was the Jardine.  She (I think a lady wrote the article) was
very high on its pet qualities and thought it was a hundred times better
pet for most bird owners than a cockatoo or macaw.

I talked to a Jardine breeder who nursed a sick Jardine baby back to health
and they kept him as a pet.  She had raised many Jardines, but this was the
first she had as a pet, and she loves him.  He is outgoing, freindly,
playful.  There just wasn't much negative to say about him.

BTW, she sells Jardine hand-fed babies for $550.  (Medford, Oregon)

Ron Bremer
From: slybz@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Are pistachios poisionous to birds?
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:41:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: cc.1992Apr15.164116.54515
Organization: Utah State University

In article <2038@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) writes:
> 
> My beautiful hand-raised yellow-faced mutant peach-faced love bird
> Spunky died yesterday!  He was fine and chirpy the previous day and
> ate the normal amounts of food (baby food) and pellets.
> 
> I just got him to say his first word - hi! - it might not
> be a big word but he was a small bird.
> 
> The only thing differnt that I know occured was that he
> took a bite or two of a pistachio (undyed of course!)
> It was so cute when he tried to open the shell so I let
> him try one.  He had no more than 2 very small bites of
> the "skin".
> 
> Other than that I know of nothing different; he was still a baby
> and hence separated from all of the other birds so it was
> a disease spread between birds.
> 
> Any ideas?
> -- 
> Glenn Host - Senior Systems Analyst (ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil)
> NRL Code 5800, 4555 Overlook Ave.; Washington, DC 20375   (202) 767-2046
> 12307 Tigers Eye Court ; Reston, VA 22091                 (703) 620-1141 

I'm very sorry to hear about your bird!  All I know about birds and pistachios
is that my bird loves them (well, just about anything we consider a nut is a
treat for Bach).  Bach is an orange-winged amazon and has had pistachios off
and on for about 15 years now.

Tanya Olsen
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: joi@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (JMM)
Subject: Thanks!
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:07:10 GMT

Re:  transporting birds

Thanks to all who answered me, both by email and by posting.  There were
so many replies that I can't answer them all individually.  The overwhelming
reply is "Take your bird! No problem!" In fact, I'm going to do that.

Yesterday I took Copper to a bird vet I was told about in the area (about 25 
miles distant) because he was panting and making funny noises.  Turns out 
he has air-sack mites, but not advanced enough to worry about yet.  So I'm
treating him for that (Ivomectin, bird dose) and by the time I have to 
leave, he'll be in top health.  The vet confirmed everything that you've
all told me about traveling, so I'm nowlooking forward to it.


	Joy Metcalf
From: rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: cute lovebird story
Date: 15 Apr 1992 14:25:52 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

In article <1992Apr14.210012.5403@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bmartino@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob Martino) writes:
>In article <sfel0INNj62@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D Mil
>ler) writes:
>>
>>She discovered, wandering around the kitchen table, the sugar spoon in
>>the sugar bowl.  Being a lovebird, she bites everything, so she went to
>     That sounds great, Ruth!
>
>     Actually, as a teacher of physics I can tell you why I *think*
>she reacted differently.  The inside of the spoon is like a
>concave mirror...it will magnify the image of whatever is in
>front of it.  So, your lovebird saw a BIGGER bird in the spoon
>and tried to look bigger herself in defense.  Same principle is
>involved with vanity make-up mirrors that magnify your image.
>

Not a bad assumption, but the sppon part sticking out of the sugar bowl
(which is covered; she'd eat the sugar, otherwise!) is the handle, so
the image is not upside down, just rather thin.  She doesn't attack her
boyfriend in the bathroom because he doesn't attack her--she was going
to nibble on the spoon, so of course the bird in the spoon was going to
bite her!

(I am, btw, a teacher of electromagnetic theory myself :-)

Ruth
From: campnest@lonestar.utsa.edu (Armando F. Campnest)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Need Goffin Advice
Date: 10 Apr 92 05:35:27 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

Sure, he's grumpy and belligerent at times, but I wouldn't have it any other
way. It gives him a personality that has really made him a member of my family
rather than just a pet. He can even tell you what time it is [night or day] or
where to go [if he doesn't feel like the former].
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: susan@solace.me.uiuc.edu (Susan Wrightson)
Subject: Re: Canaries
Organization: U of I Dept. of Mech. and Ind. Engr., Urbana, Ill.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:05:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.133506.26600@alw.nih.gov> kaszyn@helix.nih.gov (Eve Kaszynski) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.202800.29191@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, cs902117@juno.ariel.yorku.ca (Tony D'Alfonso) writes:
>> 
>>About a couple of summers ago, my canaries mated,
>> and one survived, but his little leg got tangled with some string that the
>> mother canary put in the nest, which twisted his leg as he grew.  He's over a
>> year old and he has had that crooked leg all his life.  I was wondering if 
>> there was a way to fix that leg?
>> 
	[surgical stuff deleted]
>
>My assessment of this situation is that your canary can probably get around
>with using just one leg all his life.

When I was a child, I had a darling little parakeet named Skippy.  Skippy
went everywhere, and wasn't afraid of anything.  He ran around on the floor,
and my toddler sister stepped on him a couple times.  I think he had maybe
3 leg fractures total, and each time we would splint his leg with part of
a toothpick and some tape.  It never slowed him down, and it never stopped 
him from running around on the floor on his crooked little legs.

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