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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: SHOUT-LAND...HELP!!!

PLEADETH DOCTOR AARON DICKEY, JUPITER UNIVERSITY

> Okay, VMS'ers out there, I now have a new problem.

> All my commands are now being interpreted by the VAX as all-uppercase. I.E. no
te
> my new personal_name above.  What gives?  Any hints?

     Assuming that your terminal is not set to all uppers, then
what I assume is happening is you gave a command like:

MAIL> SET PERS Aaron Dickey, Jupiter University

VMS, in parsing this, goes to all uppers.  Try putting the phrases that
need to be lower in quotes, like this:

MAIL> SET PERS "Aaron Dickey, Jupiter University"

     And to Carol, all uppers is considered shouting and bad form.

The Ronin
Never send a Lobstrosity to do a Ronin's job.
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      bernard is playing around again
Comments: To: "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@ra.msstate.edu>,
              All fellow wordslers <words-l@uga.cc.uga.edu>

how come you let him run over to athens and break the machine at uga again?
Don't you have ANY control over that beast that sleeps with you?

uga.cc.uga.edu is not responding to pings, and no mail coming out again....


grrrrrr.....

dan
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Well, really.
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> Lookit now.  I finally get access back and am raring to offer my two bits on
> whatever the current topic is and I find I'm the only one on.  Come on.
> Somebody say something controversial.
>
> Please...
>
> Chris

Sorry to disappoint you, Chris, but I'm too happy that tomorrow's a
holiday to get into a controversy with anybody.  BTW, it's good to see
you back.
ndh
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From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
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Subject:      Re: Gleanings (38)

ETAOINSHRDLU _may_ be the order of the most-used letters in English, but
I know for certain that it's the upper row of keys on a Linotype...
Or was.
"What's a Linotype, Grandpa?"
"Was President Lincoln really as tall as they say he was?"

John [undergrad journalism major, when I had hair and ideals] W.

ps - I hope you BWP's with your Pointless Postings are happy that my
diskquota has been exceeded for 4 days in a row this week!  Is there
cash or valuable prizes at stake?  I'd never had to use DELETE/ALL in my
life before now!  <anguished sobs>
^^^^
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Subject: Re: econometrics (long)
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:48:41
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In-reply-to: Tushar Samant's message of Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:14:59 CDT

Tushar confuses:

   Second, despite what Steve says, I am not competing for shortest proof.
   I want the most understandable proof, and one which uses only the
   information which is really necessary.

[Lots of math talk deleted]

   This is the best I can do. You will have to believe that all this can be
   made completely rigorous, and in fact my argument and Steve's were totally
   rigorous. But to make it rigorous, I am afraid SOME notation will have to
   be used.

   tushar

   PS The reason why so much "math" is used in "economics" is that there is
   no such thing as math vs. economics. If economists find that the methods
   used by traditional mathematicians are useful to them, they use them.
   Might as well ask why physicists learn so much math. We are human beings.
                        
   We can only think of math.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

** PAH! **

//anne, who would rather think of anything *but* math...blech//
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: virtual reality
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              Gail Lester <gaill@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com>
              4 Apr 1992 08:33:42 CST from <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>

On Sat, 4 Apr 1992 08:33:42 CST Anne Harwell said:
>my own subscription to Playboy at age 15.  Kept it up until I married
>in 1980.                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
>And then what happened?
>
>-abh
>Never, never say you kept it up on words-l

But some of us DO  keep it up.....

really.....

of course Gail would have to be the REAL judge....

dan
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              7 Apr 1992 16:20:43 -0400 from <stevep@SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA>

let S be female ...
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Bomber Crews and PhDssdnd

     Hmmm, I had assumed that the 'dnd' portion was a reference to
the role playing game 'Dungeons and Dragons', and that you were
spoofing our game of all having PhD's.  I like my reason better.

The Ronin, who remembers the reporters in "Liberty Valence"
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              7 Apr 1992 20:57:00 EDT from <AHARTFIE@DREW.DREW.EDU>

I never teased my younger suster.  Nor did I tolerate teasing from the
older ones; before I was 8 they learned the hard way not to entice the
"smart boy" into finding untraceable modes of revenge.  But often the
most effective was simply to tell them something true about one of the
others.  Then watch the sparks.

JAG
^bwp
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject:      RE: Time Magazine

"Long live mediocrity."

-abh

Have we signed up another _Economist_ subscriber?

Steve Karlson
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From:         Frank <ST403231%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Antiquity Roll Call: YO!
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>From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
>
>> >--Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>>     >Old-Timer
>>     >Subscribed to WORDS-L the day it was born
>
>>God, what is an old timer???  I joined up in November 1990!  I guess
>>that makes me something of an antiquity here among some of the other
>>antiquities (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE)!
>
>Antiquity Roll Call: Yo!
>
I'll take a YO on that one, too.  Subscribed since January, 1991.  At
that time the list was still at Yale.  I even have a few old postings
in my mail file to prove it.

>What day was it born, BTW?
>
>-abh
Good question, Anne.

Frank
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Did It!

Missiveth     "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

| >      And you still want to go to France to live if you win PCH?
|
| Yes.  I would configure my internet site better than those that have
| been bouncing mail lately. :-)

     I already that neither you nor Bernard would misconfigure your
site.  As an absolute worse case I imagined that you would temporarily
contract your favorite guru to come over and do the initial set-up.
But what if the problems the list just had in France were at sites you
had to go through to get out of your area?  Then what are you going to
do (besides make a tall, cool drink and lie in the sun)?

The Ronin
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From:         Frank <ST403231%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN
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Well, Aimee, I have studied Russian.  So much so, in fact, that I grew
up into a grad student of Slavic linguistics, and that I have taught it
here at Brown to students ranging in age from about 17 to about 67 (I
still teach an evening course through the Brown Learning Community).
And if I ever manage to write my dissertation and get a doctorate like
every other member of this list, I ought to wind up a real, live Russian
professor.

Based on my experience teaching, but not on my personal experience, I
would say that Russian is more difficult for speakers of English to
learn than most Romance languages.  It takes work, especially at first,
to get past the barrier that the Cyrillic alphabet poses (although, as
Evelyn pointed out, that should become a non-issue very quickly) and the
very different sound system of the language.  There is also lots more
grammar to learn because Russian is so highly inflected (read: has lots
of endings that change).  That is why Adam and other people have com-
pared it to Latin.  The difference is that outside of the Vatican,
people really don't speak Latin, while with Russian you can communicate
with about 250 million native speakers.

I never found the language very difficult, but my students did, and I
believe them.  I had also had Latin for many years before I began, so
I was used to the idea of inflection.  Remember also that Russian takes
a lot longer to develop speaking skills in than, say, Spanish or French,
so it may be a while before you feel competent to strike up a conversation
with your favorite Muscovite.

It would help you if you had a purpose for learning the language.  At
Brown, a lot of International Relations students study Russian because
a foreign language is required for their degree, and Russian is the
most appropriate one for the area they are studying.  Other students
have other motivations.  I certainly had mine when I began.  But if
there is some reason for you to learn this particular language, that
will help you not to despair when it gets difficult.  One sure-fire
motivator is an upcoming trip to Russia.  (That sounds so nice; I
used to have to say "to the Soviet Union."  *Much* better this way.)

Most students of Russian (and this is true to my experience as well)
find the first year fun, the second year boring, frustrating or both,
ahd find that it is the third year that makes or breaks their study of
the language.  That is the time around which most of them start con-
versing spontaneously in the language, although more motivated and more
verbal students often can converse earlier.

I hope this helps you somewhat as you choose your courses.  Good luck.
Who knows?  We may yet see Russian homework being done on the list.
That's far from the strangest thing I've seen go on in *my* time.

Frank
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From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG%MCIMAIL.COM@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      re: PDQ Wagner
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>From:         WERTSJ <WERTSJ%DIALOG@MCIMAIL.COM>

>> >Wagner's Law is a good topic, but get your butt up to the front and
>> >pay attention.  Adolph Heinrich Gotthilf Wagner, born March 25, 1935,
>>                                                   *******************
>> >died November 8, 1917.  Wagner was an economist at Berlin.  He was
>> **********************
>> >                          Bill Sjostrom
>>
>> Hey, wait a minute...is he by any chance related to P.D.Q. Bach?
>> Perhaps P.D.Q. is a *long-lost* ancestor of his? (One of those
>> ancestors he would have preferred to stay lost?) ;-)
>
>     No, no, no.  Wagner is an ancestor of P.D.Q. Bach.  Where were you
>sitting in class?
>
>The Ronin


...in back...with my eyes closed...Walkman on...listening to
   "Eine Kleine Nichtmusik" (sp? I'm at work, so I can't check, but
it is one of my favorites).
            ,
      Touche.

Jill
  (face red at having missed such an obvious point)

______________________________________________________

Jill Werts                 (wertsj%dialog@mcimail.com)
Dialog Information Services
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, still alive"
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Subject:      Re: Elvis stamp
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Having to spend 19 cents to mail the ballot is nothing.  The only
reason they're going to print an Elvis stamp at all is because they
know that a LOT of people are going to buy those stamps...and then
never use them. Free profit.

--Aaron
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Descriptive and prescriptive

> Well, "he doesn't" breaks down to "he does not", and "he don't" breaks down
> into "he do not".

Ok, I'll restate my point.  There is nothing innately superior about
"he does not."  People who use "he does not" don't think any better than
people who use "he do not."  The contraction in my original example is
irrelevant to the point.  An argument could be made that "he do" is
more logical and orderly than "he does."  Let's take a regular verb to
make it even clearer.  Present tense:  I walk/ you walk/ she walks /
we walk /you walk/ they walk.  Now what could we do to make a neater,
more orderly conjugation?  Which part disrupts the neatness?  Ahhh...
but people who say "she walk" probably can't handle math as a result
of that deficiency. :-)

> would not be honest if I said that I didn't make judgements based upon a
> person's ability to speak/write "good" english.  I'm sure I'm judged upon

I make judgments in some circumstances based on a person's ability to
speak/write "appropriate" English for the setting.  I don't know what
"good" English means.

   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     who is taking a quick break and will now jump back into making
     judgments of my students' writing...
     and who would much rather be at the leather party in Cambridge...
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From:         Adam M Hartfield <AHARTFIE%DREW.DREW.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: TV
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>
>> And I don't buy it for the soaps.  I buy it for the program
>> descriptions.  Sometimes I even do the crossword in pen.
>>
>> --Adam
>Adam, you're a wimp. Real Illuminati do them in their heads.
>
>love, judith

Hmph.  I never claimed to be a member of the Illuminati, but my boss
is a fnord.  We'll just see who gets hugs at the clambake and who
doesn't.

Playfully sparring with Mama/P,
--Adam, who's glad that Lenny & Quincy are back
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From:         torkel%SICS.SE@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Turing etc
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              13 Apr 92 23:40:34 -0500. <9204140906.AA20520@sics.se>

  Tushar says:

  >I don't see what is wrong with saying that "there is no such thing as the
  >Church-Turing thesis on the halting problem". In fact this is the first
  >time I am seeing Turing's name tacked on to Church's thesis. In any case,
  >there is no direct relation between Church's thesis and the halting problem.

  Although one usually speaks of "Church's thesis", it isn't incorrect to
speak of "the Church-Turing thesis", since Turing independently proposed
a thesis similar to that of Church (which he later proved to be equivalent to
Church's thesis). What is incorrect is the idea that Church's thesis
is specifically connected with the halting problem, or that Turing proved
or demonstrated that every function computable by an algorithm is Turing
computable (which is what the thesis asserts).
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tarmac rugrats
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> >How did I do that???  Repeat an entire paragraph!  Whoops...
> >
> I thought it was an example of how you used to stutter.

I said exactly the same thing in a direct note to Ken.  Great minds
and all that -- right, Adam?

   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     who is now getting some list mail in just an hour and 15 mins. --
     that's an improvement
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Roundabouts and such

Sayeth Doctor Evelyn Duncan


| >> How about "Tell Laura I Love Her" or "Teen Angel".
| >
| >     My favorite was "I Want My Baby Back".  I really dug the words.
|
| I, too, especially the last part where he digs up her coffin. :-)

     He didn't quite dig her up.  He dug down and crawled in.  :-)

The Ronin
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
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On Fri, 10 Apr 1992 00:15:00 EDT Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore said:
>> Still the Wayne Green empire.  Yes, he started Byte...and yes it was
>Didn't he sell all his mags (including CD Review) to the company that
>owns MacWorld, PC World, etc for an incredible sum of $$$?  I know he
   Not sure.  I believe it still says WGE Enterprises or similar wording,
but have no idea whether they are owned by bigger corporations.  Wouldn't
surprise me if it were.

>it's 50% of why I buy them.  I always wondered whether he's a
>brilliant mind or just a blowhard, or both.  He just seems so...angry
>for someone who's succeeded so well.
   Wayne will always be tilting at windmills.  He's angry because the
rest of the world won't do things HIS way.  He is brilliant.  One of the
most broadly educated people I have ever known.  Also one of hte most
widely travelled.  Also VERY rich now.
   He is also, IMHO, very immature and am surprised it hasn't cost him
a heart attack or stroke by now.  Yes, he's smarter than the average bear....
and yes, most of the world isn't that smart....   but some of us learn to
accept that fact.... that we will always be smarter and such is the wya of
the world....and most things aren't worth having a stroke about.
   Oh, well....his problem not mine


dan
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Subject:      Re: music-math relationship

In article <tfilt199667@drew.edu>, Adam M Hartfield <AHARTFIE@drew.drew.edu> wri
   tes:
> How odd, I say !  I'm taking a course called "The Enjoyment of Music"
> next semester.  Should be easy, as I'm somewhat familiar of Western
> "Classical" music, which is the emphasis.  But unlike you, Tushar, I
> doubt I'll shift to econ.  Maybe a psych or sociology course, but not
> economics.
>
> --Adam
>
        What?  And miss becoming an acoylite of the religion of Modern
Mysticism (economics to the uninitiated)?  :)

                          |_
                          Oo\ Alex, VC
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From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM%VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Karen's Birthday
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Karen, I hope you had a very happy birthday and received all sorts of
nice presents!

Evelyn
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Sayeth Doctoressa Lisa Alfieri

| >     You mean I put new blades in the wood chopper for 'cusin Antony'
| >for nothing?  Damn.
| No, he'll use it for something.

     Ahem, I was going to use it on him when he came looking for me.

| Are we contribuiting to the inside jokes or does everyone follow.  Everytime
| someone asks that soemthing not be done I find myself doing it.

Lisa,

     Listen very carefully.  Do not make a lasgna.  Repeat, do *not*
make a lasgna.  Nor should you invite us over to have any of the lasgna
you are not making.

The Ronin
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:16:56 EDT
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From:         Tony Harminc <TONY%VM1.MCGILL.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Fitting in

>>          Aimee, Aaron, Alec, Adam..funny how our names all start with
>> A.  Does that mean anything?
>>
>> --Adam
>>
>        Hey!  You forgot me!
>
>                          |_
>                          Oo\ Alex '<---- notice the A' Rhodes

Ahem...

Anthony H.
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