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From: shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD)
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights,alt.child-support,soc.couples,soc.men,misc.legal
Subject: Re: What a Problem!!!
Date: 9 Oct 1992 17:03:19 -0700
Organization: Knapp & Viola, Attys., San Mateo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gw.home.vix.com

In a recent missive noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) tells us:
*
*[summarizing comments by Anne Mitchell, JD (for all you non-legal
*eagles out there, JD stands for "Juris Doctoris" - lawyer), who wants

Aw..gee thanks for the recognition...but in truth, while "J.D." does
indeed stand for Juris Doctoris [or "Doctor of Jurisprudence"], one is
not a "lawyer" until one is admitted to a bar to practice in the
courts of that state.  Actually, this is a fuzzy area it seems..nobody
is really sure if that is *the* moment, but everyone [myself included]
seems to want to 'err' on the side of caution, and hence not consider
one to be a "lawyer" until that time.
-- 
   LOOKING FOR:  David Widdicombe, Hobson Woodward, Lorna Taylor & JJ Lancey
I am: Anne Mitchell, mom, & founder of the Fathers' Rights & Equality Exchange
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Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights
From: joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark)
Subject: Re: Custody In Colorado?
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:33:26 GMT

In article <scotts.1nh6@hotcity.COM> scotts@hotcity.COM (Scott Scribner) writes:
>
>
>I am a father who "took" his child out of a state while I was married. As 
>Anne Mitchell said...I am entitiled to my child as much as the other parent.
>I have the right to seek custody of my child and to live my life with that
>child. Which by the way I have done. I have custody of my child and the mother
>does not pay her child support payments. Most people are not interested in the
>fact that many women do not pay there payments as well as fathers.
>
>Scott Scribner

After reading the above, the term "Deadbeat Moms" came to mind.  It's funny I 
have never seen this term in print, even here.
Perhaps a concerted effort on our part to see the term "Deadbeat Moms" 
used as often as the term "Deadbeat Dads" in conversation and media would
do much to educate people to the inequity of the current situation.

joel
From: cliff@buster.stafford.tx.us (Cliff Tomplait)
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton quote on deadbeat dads
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:47:56 GMT
Organization: Buster irby

exudnw@exu.ericsson.se (Dave Williams) writes:
>Clinton's remarks about support have already convinced this NCP.  I may not 
>vote *for* anyone, but I'll vote *against* him.


Amen!
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights,alt.child-support,soc.couples,soc.men,misc.legal
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: Re: What a Problem!!!
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:51:59 GMT

Did this earlier article really need to be 477 lines?
In article <1992Oct8.030548.4916@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (a
aron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:
>What does it mean?  "Scrutiny" means to look at something closely - to
>study it in great detail.  Defining whether a law will be questioned by
>examining it closely or examining it with little regard, is prejudging.
>In effect, judges can look at a law and surmise from a quick
>examination whether or not the law is important.  If the law is
>important, they will examine it more closely, otherwise they won't.  So,
>what that means, when you tell me that NO law stands up to scrict
>scrutiny and that virtually ALL laws stand up to reasonable basis
>scrutiny, is that the judges decide, very early on - at this initial
>examination stage, that a law is right or wrong.

No.  They decide whether a law is "constitutional."  The job of
deciding whether a law is "right" or "wrong" lies with the legislature.

Not all constitutional laws are right.  Not all wrong laws are
unconstitutional.  An important distinction.

-- 
ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu 
also at quibeaux@uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
ajax crypto-analyzer -- warning! remove all chicken bones first
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights
From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton quote on deadbeat dads
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:21:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.142816.17446@hemlock.cray.com> sga@cray.com writes:
>In article 4p9@cs.psu.edu, beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
>>Who needs to hide?  Clinton, Bush and "H-R-None-Of-The-Above" have arguably 
>>good points and arguably bad points, but this group is alt.dads-rights.
>>Clinton, so far, has been the most outspoken anti-father candidate.

>Bush doesn't have to speak out, his actions speak louder than any of his
>words.  And then of course there is the aspiring Ayatollah Buchanan who
>was allowed to speak at the convention.  His definition of "family" is mom,
>dad, and two kids.  Mom stays home, dad works.  If they get divorced mom gets
>the kids, child support, and lifetime alimony.

I'm not voting for Buchanan for president; and it's too bad 
I can't vote for Gore for president.

>My point, which you obviously missed, is that people should not choose their
>President on the basis of a single issue.  I certainly can't, and won't, stop
>people from doing so, but IMHO they are doing a great disservice to themselves
>and to the country as a whole.

I did not miss your point.

I was offended by your declaration of how people should vote and your 
suggestion that anyone who doesn't comply is like the "religious right."
As long as it is clearly "IYHO" (which you didn't state before), then I
don't have an objection to your opinion.

Frankly, I think that anyone who votes, even if they base their vote 
on a single issue, is doing a great service to their country.


>As bad as the situation currently is for fathers, it is not the most pressing
>issue on the national agenda, and neither is abortion.  IMHO the most pressing
>issues are economics and health care.  Solve the economic problems and the
>pressure to go after men for child support will lessen since more men will have
>good jobs and will be able to pay.  Then we can attack the gender bias in the
>courts without any additional emotional side issues.  That is not to say that
>we shouldn't be attempting to address those issues in the mean time, just that
>it will be easier once society pays for the greed and corruption of the 1980's.

Interesting.  Sounds like a "trickle-down" theory of family law.

Don
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beaver@cs.psu.edu                       Opinions from the PC-challenged
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights
From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights,alt.child-support,soc.couples,soc.men,misc.legal
Subject: Re: What a Problem!!!
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:49:14 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Followup-To: misc.legal
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

Aaron,

I have to ask you how you would impliment equal protection w/o the various 
levels of inquiry.  In a 35 MPH zone, someone is prosecuted for going 50 
while another going 35 is not prosecuted.  That's unequal, viewed 
simplisticly.  So clearly a non-simplistic view is needed.  What do you 
suggest?

Follow-ups are mercifully directed to misc.legal.

Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:07:36 GMT
Subject: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights

              Please answer these 9 questions and return.

1.) Do you think equal rights for men and women is generally a good idea?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

2.) Are you pro choice?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

3.) Are you in favor of adoption?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

4.) Do you think men should be allowed to legally terminate their parental
rights and responsibilities before fetal viability?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

5.) What sex are you?
Male               [ ]
Female             [ ]

6.) How old are you?
Under 18           [ ]
19 to 65           [ ]
Over 65            [ ]

7.) What religion are you?
Protestant         [ ]
Catholic           [ ]
Jewish             [ ]
Other              [ ]

8.) What political party are you affiliated with?
Democratic         [ ]
Republican         [ ]
Other              [ ]

9.) How many years of education have you completed?
Grade School       [ ]
High School        [ ]
College            [ ]
More               [ ]
From: scotts@hotcity.COM (Scott Scribner)
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights
Subject: Re: Custody In Colorado?
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:24:21 PST
Organization: BBS




I am a father who "took" his child out of a state while I was married. As 
Anne Mitchell said...I am entitiled to my child as much as the other parent.
I have the right to seek custody of my child and to live my life with that
child. Which by the way I have done. I have custody of my child and the mother
does not pay her child support payments. Most people are not interested in the
fact that many women do not pay there payments as well as fathers.

Scott Scribner
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights,alt.child-support,soc.men,soc.women
From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights
Subject: Re: Custody In Colorado?
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:04:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.153326.27457@SSD.intel.com> joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark) writes:
>In article <scotts.1nh6@hotcity.COM> scotts@hotcity.COM (Scott Scribner) writes:
>>
>>I am a father who "took" his child out of a state while I was married. As 
>>Anne Mitchell said...I am entitiled to my child as much as the other parent.
>>I have the right to seek custody of my child and to live my life with that
>>child. Which by the way I have done. I have custody of my child and the mother
>>does not pay her child support payments. Most people are not interested in the
>>fact that many women do not pay there payments as well as fathers.
>
>After reading the above, the term "Deadbeat Moms" came to mind.  It's funny I 
>have never seen this term in print, even here.
>Perhaps a concerted effort on our part to see the term "Deadbeat Moms" 
>used as often as the term "Deadbeat Dads" in conversation and media would
>do much to educate people to the inequity of the current situation.

Yes, but don't forget there was an "equivalent" term that has
only recently become politically unfashionable:  Welfare Mother.

Anybody know what fraction of single-parent families on welfare
are headed by men?

Don
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beaver@cs.psu.edu                       Opinions from the PC-challenged
From: SET102@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights
Subject: HARRISBURG/PA (10-13-92) MARCH
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:25:43 GMT
Organization: Penn State University




At a recent FACE Pocono Chapter meeting they passed out the following:

----------------- Begining of F.A.C.E.  Flyer ------------------

THE JUDICAL SYSTEM IS DESTROYING OUR FAMILIES

Everyday, the Judical System recklessly separates parents from their
children.  They designate one parent as the custodial parent and reduce
the other to the roll of a visitor (IF ANY) in their lives.  The
children are also separated from other members of the non-custodial
parent's family.  Our CHILDREN'S LIVES ARE IN JEOPARDY.  We must stand
together to correct the pain and suffering the courts impose on our
children and ourselves.  We have to insure EQUAL ACCESS to both
parents and the extended families.  Now is the time to demand the
passage of a MANDATORY DIVORCE MEDIATION BILL and to insist that
legislation be adopted making SHARED CUSTODY a legal presumption so
as toremove our children from the battleground of divorce.

JOIN THE MARCH IN HARRISBURG, PA ON TUESDAY OCT. 13, 1992 AT 8:00am.

Let's all find out why our legislatures choose to ignore our family's
rights as well as our children's.  Let them know we are out here and
standing together.  Drive with you lights on and sound your horn as you
pass a Court House or an Attorney's Office on October 13th.  If you can
come to Harrisburg, PA...

Sponsored by: Father And Children Equality (FACE) and other concerned
parent's organizations..... (215) 688-4748

For information or transportation please call:

Montgomery County (215) 723-4409 674-4597 643-5121 855-0571
Bucks County      (215) 538-0133 943-5046 943-0850
Lehigh Valley     (215) 770-9150 366-0875 488-9089
Washington/Westmoreland Counties (412) 225-5966 834-5246
Pocono Area (717) 420-1697 427-4099 454-2821 459-2438 784-0901 829-6383

---------------------End of F.A.C.E.  Flyer -----------------------

My background:  On December 23, 1986, I filed for divorce in Wilkes-Barre
PA and was a believer in a JUST legal system.  Now six (6) years later
we are still in the divorce process.  What I find amazing is the amount
of crap that goes on in a profession that is supposed to be at the top
of the pecking order and professes to be fair and truthful.  I now
believe the following:

1)  The children's best interest is not served.
    (Generally 1/2 of the child's family is taken away.  There is
     little the non-custodial family can do in stopping vindictive
     actions or programming by the custodial parent.)
2)  The courts contribute to the separation of men & women.
    (With the abuse the courts allow the Custodial Parent heap upon
     the Excluded Parent, I can understand why many men shy away from
     commitment.  Women as well as men become losers....)

To the divorced and married men, put some effort into getting involved in
correcting the Judical System.  100% of the divorced men were happily
married at an earlier point in life, and the abusive system can haunt
the now happily married man, and also the re-committed man.

Sol Tarud (SET102 @ PSUVM) 1000 Grant St.  Hazleton, PA  18201
From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton quote on deadbeat dads
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:48:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.094732.9199@hemlock.cray.com> sga@cray.com writes:
>In article 17729@exu.ericsson.se, exudnw@exu.ericsson.se (Dave Williams) writes:
>>
>>The only frightening thing here is how many folks are willing to apologize
>>for Slick Willie's own words.  Bush & Perot may lie on occasion, but at least 
>>they stick to one after they let it out.  Billy Boy keeps getting his foot
>>caught in his mounth as he "remembers" different versions depending on who's
>>listening. They are *all* corrupt in some way or another - stop idolizing
>>Clinton just because you think he's "clean" and of like mind. Clinton's 
>>pandering to his audience on "father's responsibility" is just one more 
>>eason for me to suspect his motives.
>>
>>As far as I can see, there's *no* decent choice for president this time.
>
>And ol' George always refers to things in gender neutral terms, right?  Just
>like he did last night in the debate when he referred to "Deadbeat fathers",
>right?

That makes Bush more honest than Clinton in that respect.  Clinton
hides behind false gender-neutrality.  That was the point.


>Don't make your choice of President on a single issue.  That makes you no better
>than the religious right whose sole basis for supporting a candidate is his/her
>view on abortion.  Sometimes in politics we have to make compromises that we
>don't particularly like for the good of the country.

Who are you to tell people whom they are "no better than"?  Is there 
anything wrong with choosing which topics are more important to you 
than others?  Is there anything wrong with having a strong opinion 
about an issue and letting it guide your vote?  The point of voting 
is to reflect the weighted opinions of the population [whether it 
actually does so or not is a separate issue...].

You sound like the stereotype of an ultra-conservative right-winger:  
"don't let the gay-bashing affect your vote; otherwise you'll be 
no better than those commie pinko fags who elect their representatives 
just because they're fags." (Apologies for explicit language and stereotypes.)


>From your comments, it is obvious that you would not like Clinton regardless of
>his usage of gender.  That's fine, but admit it.  Don't hide behind a single
>issue.

Who needs to hide?  Clinton, Bush and "H-R-None-Of-The-Above" have arguably 
good points and arguably bad points, but this group is alt.dads-rights.
Clinton, so far, has been the most outspoken anti-father candidate.

Don
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Newsgroups: alt.dads-rights
From: lowry@presto.ig.com (John Lowry)
Newsgroups: alt.suit.att-bsdi
Subject: Re: Unisys breaches copyright?
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:08:52 GMT
Organization: IntelliGenetics, Inc., Mountain View, California USA

I'm sorry I don't have the reference available, but I recall reading
a column by Plaugher in Computer Language (or was it Dr. Dobbs or ??)
where he said something like "I'll let you in on a little secret--you
don't have to put the TM designator" on your use of a trademark.  He
then went on to explain some of the things you can and can't do.  You
can't, for example, use "Unix" in a generic sense, as in "our new
proprietary OS is the best unix available".

--John
P.S. I'm not a lawyer but my twin brother is.

t
From: ron@topaz.bds.com (Ron Natalie)
Newsgroups: alt.suit.att-bsdi
Subject: Re: Unisys breaches copyright?
Date: 13 Oct 1992 22:26:54 GMT
Organization: BDS Systems
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.bds.com

> where he said something like "I'll let you in on a little secret--you
> don't have to put the TM designator

He's right.  It's very important for me to note that something is my trademark
(Xcalibur (TM) is a trademark of BDS Systems).  UNIX, you see, went overboard
a long time ago.  Western Electric, as holder of the trademark, used
to put the TM on everything to the point of absurdity.  It became a joke
in the very limitted user community back then, so everybody made sure that
they propagated the "UNIX is a Trade Mark of Bell Laboratories" stuff.

Someone even made up pencils given out at one of the early Unix conferences
that said "UNIX IS A TRADEMARK," evidentally, there wasn't enough room for
the "of Bell Laboratories."

Long about 1980, Al Arms, lawyer for ATT handling UNIX licensing, gave a talk
and acknowledged the communities "assistance" in protecting the trademark.

-Ron

By the way, if you ever see Plauger, ask him if he's still got any Whitesmith's
stamps
From: pbratton@aspidistra.lssec.bt.co.uk (Paul Bratton)
Newsgroups: alt.test
Subject: ZAPHOD test posting
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:29:17 GMT
Organization: BT D&P London

Subject sez it all
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From: mdr@bjorn (Doc Chaos)
Newsgroups: alt.test
Subject: Re: PLEASE REPLY: Less f****d off...
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:46:30 GMT
Organization: University of Reading
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

rjb@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Ryszard Boryna) writes:
: Wow... could my posts finally be getting off campus?!?!  Please let me know if you
: can read this ( intelligent responses, idiotic responses, flames, anything - I just 
: wanna know how far I'm getting! ).  

just across the office, i'm afraid!

: 
: And thanks to John Salmi for replying to my last try.
: 
: 

--
m.robinson@reading.ac.uk

"I really like the jacket but the sleeves are much too long" - Lemmy
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From: aal@rot.qc.ca (Alain Hebert)
Subject: Re: Testing CNews
Organization: Groupe de Recherche Operationnelle en Telecommunication (ROT) Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:44:53 GMT

Alain Hebert (aal@rot.qc.ca) wrote:
: Alain Hebert (aal@rot.qc.ca) wrote:
: : Alain Hebert (aal@rot.qc.ca) wrote:
: : : Alain Hebert (aal@rot.qc.ca) wrote:
: : : : 	Hi!  Just testing this NEWS Send again... 500 of Columbus...
: : : 	Yep...
: : 		Yep...
: 	 		Yep...
:	 	 		Yep...

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From: ry@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Roland Yeo)
Subject: test test
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 05:48:29 GMT
From: beust@aurora.unice.fr (Cedric Beust)
Newsgroups: alt.test
Subject: test, no reply please
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:48:03 GMT
Organization: University of Nice Sophia-Antipolis, France
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no reply!
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From: lippoh@evitech.fi (Lippo Huhtala)
Subject: Test
Keywords: Test
Organization: EVITECH
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:10:20 GMT

Test
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From: per@ludd.luth.se (Per Andersson)
Newsgroups: alt.test
Subject: Testing from Sweden
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:19:31 GMT
Organization: Lule} Tekniska H|gskolas Datorf|rening - Ludd

Hi everybody,

If anyone outside Sweden can read this, please tell me!
Thanks in advance,

Per
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From: hoffman@tsla.noava.lisc.lockheed.com (John Hoffman)
Subject: TESTING
Organization: LISC Noava
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 20:07:59 GMT

This is a test of sending news to the universe
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From: aegl@ossi.com (Tony Luck)
Newsgroups: alt.test
Subject: penultimate test
Date: 8 Oct 1992 14:33:38 -0700
Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc.
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: nym.ossi.com

I hope!
From: shchen@suncc.ccu.edu.tw (Ssu-Han Chen)
Newsgroups: alt.test
Subject: Re: test test!!!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:47:37 GMT
Organization: National Chung Cheng University, Taiwan, R.O.C.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Ssu-Han Chen (shchen@suncc.ccu.edu.tw) wrote:
: 
: hi, just a test on posting .......
: aukowa loves kazna
: -- 
test follow up.....
test test test
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From: knight@dxcern.cern.ch (Annette Knight)
Subject: test
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Distribution: cern
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:35:07 GMT

Hello


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From: paulzhu@unc.edu (Paul Zhu)
Subject: Re: test (new)
Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:07:03 GMT

Only a test. :-)

-- 
Paul
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