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From: breinhar@access.digex.com (Robert B. Reinhardt)
Subject: Re: 1-800-BEND-OVER
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:21:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.165240.13112@infonode.ingr.com> eab@geneab.b20.ingr.com writes:
>I just called Perot's 1-800 number to tell him not to run,
>and guess what?  I got a recording saying my call will be added to
>the talley of those requesting that he run, and "Thank you for your
>support!".  Has this happened to anybody else?
>
>I think that's a pretty deceitful way to treat a caller.  No doubt
>this is an indication of how his "electronic town meetings" will
>be conducted.
>
>-- 
>*------------------------------------------------------------------* 
>|  Edward Baggott                                                  |
>|  eab@geneab.b20.ingr.com         * NON ILLEGITIMI CARBORUNDUM *  |
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>*------------------------------------------------------------------* 

Yes, I was calling him to urge him to run.  (He's already running
since he's on the ballot, but run full tilt).

I was surprised at first, but then I remembered that he only invited
his supporters to call.  I guess it depends on what side of this
"vote" your on.  All that this is good for is getting a feel for
the number of people at large that say yes, which statistically
would be % of people who would say yes, but won't bother to call.

BTW -- the state groups are also tallying support vs. lack of support
from the group of people who orignally supported him.  They are
due to give the results on Thurs.  I don't know if Perot himself
said this, but I know I heard from somewhere that he was trying
to get a feel for waht % of the people who originally supported him
(i.e. petition signers) were still wanting him to run.  This is
not easy to do, no matter what scheme you come up with, it is
worsened by the short amount of time left to decide.

I'm not saying you're right or wrong, just some more to think
about.


Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: korman@seas.gwu.edu (John Korman)
Subject: Re: 1-800-BEND-OVER
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:59:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.165240.13112@infonode.ingr.com> eab@geneab.b20.ingr.com writes:
>I just called Perot's 1-800 number to tell him not to run,
>and guess what?  I got a recording saying my call will be added to
>the talley of those requesting that he run, and "Thank you for your
>support!".  Has this happened to anybody else?
>

Not really. Most of us PAY ATTENTION to what a number is for before 
calling blindly.


>I think that's a pretty deceitful way to treat a caller.  No doubt
>this is an indication of how his "electronic town meetings" will
>be conducted.
>

Doubtfully,

John Korman

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: dtiberio@csws18.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: 1-800-925-1300
Keywords: Ditto
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:39:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.174654.1413@sequent.com> jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.163336.11804@seas.gwu.edu> korman@seas.gwu.edu (John Korman) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep30.193330.3479@wuecl.wustl.edu> gl1@cec1.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon) writes:
>>>
>>>   Thank you for exactly making my point... Perot doesn't want to hear anything
>>>bad about himself.  I wonder what will happen if he by some terrible twist of
>>>fate gets elected and then gets nothing accomplished.  I can see two 
>>>possibilities... 1) He'll resign or
>>>		 2) He'll impose censorship on the media to prevent bad
>>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> 			things from being said about him.
>>
>>Just being the devil's advocate. How can a president who cannot get anything
>>accomplished (i.e., such mundane things as preparing budgets, etc.) be 
>>capable of changing the first amendment???

	No president would ever be able to censor the media, not even our
current president, George Bush, who never imposed censorship. Not even during
Desert Storm...whoops, bad example.



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Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon)
Subject: Re: 1-800-925-1300
Keywords: Ditto
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:17:34 GMT

John Switzer writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.113002.27005@crd.ge.com> /dev/null writes:
>>Bob writes:
>>> To vote for Perot resuming the campaign, call 1-800-925-1300.
>>> This is more of a show of support than a vote.  Please call.
>>It's too bad that he didn't set up an 800 number for people like me to point out
>>that, according to the latest poll which shows 17% support *for* him, that there are
>>83% of the voting public who would opt to have him NOT enter the race. The Martian
>>and his robot, Larrie King-2-D-2, are on such Ego Trips!
>
>Call anyway - Perot has to pay for the calls, so it's just as valid to call 
>the number and say you think Perot is scum.

  The problem is that a computer answers the number and says something to the
effect of "Thank you for showing your support of Ross Perot.  Your vote has
been counted....*CLICK".  You don't have a chance to say anything !

  Just another example of how Perot doesn't want to hear anything bad about 
himself.

Greg
From: clifton9220@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: life-long republican
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:35:13 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Oct5.124622.7316@iscsvax.uni.edu>, fay@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> If the reason to vote for Perot is because he represents change, then there is
> an even better reason not to vote for him.  
> 
> GHWBush is clearly not the one to change things.  Yet, every vote that is not
> cast for Clinton is helping Bush and Quayle to stay in office for four more
> years.
> 
> Besides, how much different will it be to exchange one life-long republican for
> another?

Bill isn't an instrament of change either, fay.  He is an instrament of
promises.  There is no way for him to fulfill everything he says he will do. 
If he did he would have to increase the standard of living for the military
while cutting military spending.  How is that possible?  Bill and George are
two different people with diff. agendas.  That is why Perot stepped back into
the race.  There is only one person who will look at the problems and solve
them without conceeding for the sake of politics.  There is one person who will
truely serve without taking us where we want to go.  There is one person who is
more likely to really give a flip about how you feel.  That person is Perot.

Ken.
> 
> 
> 
> 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer)
Subject: Re: 1-800-925-1300
Keywords: Ditto
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 17:46:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.163336.11804@seas.gwu.edu> korman@seas.gwu.edu (John Korman) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.193330.3479@wuecl.wustl.edu> gl1@cec1.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon) writes:
>>
>>   Thank you for exactly making my point... Perot doesn't want to hear anything
>>bad about himself.  I wonder what will happen if he by some terrible twist of
>>fate gets elected and then gets nothing accomplished.  I can see two 
>>possibilities... 1) He'll resign or
>>		 2) He'll impose censorship on the media to prevent bad
>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> 			things from being said about him.
>
>Just being the devil's advocate. How can a president who cannot get anything
>accomplished (i.e., such mundane things as preparing budgets, etc.) be 
>capable of changing the first amendment???
>
>Just curious,
>
>John
>
>
Just my $0.02 worth...history has shown you don't need to formally censor
things or change any admendments. Persecution has many other forms, such
as people like McCarthy, remember him? He was just upholding the constitution?



Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: koenig@convex.com (Mark Koenig)
Subject: Re: Perot drives Limbaugh NUTS!!!
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:02:11 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:

>Do you really expect a majority (or even a plurality) to vote for
>a 50 cent per gallon tax hike on gas?  Poor people would get a whole
>lot poorer, since EVERY commodity comes to us via gas-operated
>vehicles at some point.  The cost of living would skyrocket.

Well, at 10 cents per year for 5 years, that comes out to an 8% increase
for the first 2 years, a 7% increase in the third and fourth years and
a 6% increase in the fifth year.  WOW! I'll bet my cost-of-living will just
shoot through the roof. NOT!

Go live in Europe for a year or two, you will soon learn that gasoline
costs over $4.00 per gallon.  Yes, you drive your car, yes, it costs plenty
to fill it up each week, but guess what, you don't drive it down to the corner
store and pickup that 12-pack of Busch beer.  You quickly learn that driving
a car is an expensive commodity and you drive only when you have to.  Now
granted, it helps to have a good public transportation system, but the 
Europeans built that transportation system from TAX dollars mainly from
gasoline sales.  Someone correct me, I believe that 60% of the cost of 
gasoline in Europe is from taxes, a whopping $2.40/gal.

America can afford gasoline at $2.00/gal. or higher.  We just need to learn
that cheap gasoline is not a right guaranteed by the Constitution.

Still undecided,
Mark
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From: falknemj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: 1-800-925-1300
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:14:22 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <1992Sep30.113002.27005@crd.ge.com>, shortcut@e7sa.epi.syr.ge.com (Dances with Two-Left-Feet) writes:
> In article 7724@gibdo.engr.washington.edu, bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) writes:
>>
>> To vote for Perot resuming the campaign, call 1-800-925-1300.
>>
>> This is more of a show of support than a vote.  Please call.
>> ==
>>
>> Bob
> 
> It's too bad that he didn't set up an 800 number for people like me to point out
> that, according to the latest poll which shows 17% support *for* him, that there are
> 83% of the voting public who would opt to have him NOT enter the race. The Martian
> and his robot, Larrie King-2-D-2, are on such Ego Trips!

  Small problem.  You said that 17% would vote for him now, but then does it
automatically follow that the other 83% don't want him involved??

  Don't think so...

						Mike Falkner

Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: tom@geac.com (Tom Stern)
Subject: Re: 1-800-BEND-OVER
Summary: strongman Perot
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:05:06 GMT
Organization: Geac Computer Corporation

In article <1992Sep29.125823.17680@ornl.gov> de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.100638.7724@gibdo.engr.washington.edu>, bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) writes:
>>  To vote for Perot resuming the campaign, call 1-800-925-1300.
>>
>>  This is more of a show of support than a vote.  Please call.
>
>Right...  I think this gives us a hint of how Perot would work as president. 
>
>He only wants to hear the good news. 
>...who *don't* want him to run to call?
>Bend over, folks...
>
>-- 
>Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov)           For every Bill Joy there is a Kirk McKusick.
--
HE IS WINING   NNNNN : 0   
  
This is even less than a referendum... If he gets less than ? he should quit.

Tom Stern
Employer may disagree
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: rocko@ireland.ssc.gov (Rick O'Leary)
Subject: Re: 1-800 FLAME
Organization: 8-Track Museum of Technology
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:02:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.193330.3479@wuecl.wustl.edu>, gl1@cec1.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon) writes:
|> In article <dougn.717866427@convex.convex.com> dougn@convex.com (Douglas Nieb) writes:
|> >In <1992Sep30.141734.24557@wuecl.wustl.edu> gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon) writes:
|> >
|> >>  "Drivel deleted"
|> >> 
|>    Thank you for exactly making my point... Perot doesn't want to hear anything
|> bad about himself.  I wonder what will happen if he by some terrible twist of
|> fate gets elected and then gets nothing accomplished.  I can see two 
|> possibilities... 1) He'll resign or
|> 		 2) He'll impose censorship on the media to prevent bad
|>  			things from being said about him.
|> 
|> Greg
|> 

Get a grip Greg. Your paranoid delusions a just that. Watch and learn. Ross
has the gutts to say the hard things.

Rocko
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: cbc1@ra.msstate.edu (christopher b carey)
Subject: Re: Child Abuse in Arkansas
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:49:57 GMT

rl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Lamoureux) writes:

>In article <31102@goofy.Apple.COM> (Rebecca Rhodes) writes:
>>Why would anyone wish to support a governer [Clinton] who's state is one of
>>the leading states in corporal punishment?  You know, where they paddle
>>public school children's behind with a wooden paddle heavier than a wooden
>>baseball bat and wider.  Sometimes with holes in it so it stings?
>>
>>
>Unless this is a plank in the party platform, I don't think 
>it's real relevant in the larger scope of things.  There
>*are* more pressing issues at stake.

>Rob L.

I would also like to know what the problem with corporal punishment is?
I got my butt swatted a couple of times, and I didn't die or get disfigured
or anything like that.  I straightened up.
Would she prefer the paddle have some padding put on it so it doesn't hurt as
much??  How about a local anesthetic so the pain isn't felt.  

Rebecca makes this sound like something important when it isn't, so I'm really
confused.

Please becky, enlighten me.

Chris


-- 
Got those wishing I was out of school so I could see my girl on
a regular basis blues.
From: rl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Lamoureux)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: 1-800-BEND-OVER
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:30:28 GMT
Reply-To: rl24@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Lamoureux)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Sep29.231355.19702@access.digex.com> breinhar@access.digex.com (Robert B. Reinhardt) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.125823.17680@ornl.gov> de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep29.100638.7724@gibdo.engr.washington.edu>, bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) writes:
>>>  To vote for Perot resuming the campaign, call 1-800-925-1300.
>>>
>>>  This is more of a show of support than a vote.  Please call.
>>
>>Right...  I think this gives us a hint of how Perot would work as president. 
>>
>>He only wants to hear the good news.  Where's the number for Perot supporters
>>who *don't* want him to run to call?  Unless nobody bothers to call the
>>support hotline, Perot will have a mandate to enter the race, and no real
>>measure of what the majority of his supporters want.
>>
>>Bend over, folks...
>>
>>-- 
>Oh, yeah!  Like every Bush nazi and Clinton socialist wouldn't be
>on the tele. <all night long>

Um, well...if Bush "nazis" and Clinton "socialists" outnumber Perot
fanatics, shouldn't that be a message to Perot?

Rob L.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.perot
From: D.
Subject: Ross for What??
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:12:36 GMT

All this talk about Ross.  But does he want to be president?  Does he want it?
I know that there are alot of people out there who want him to be president,
but does Ross want it, too?

I was willing to give the man a listen as his campaign got going but his
dropping out really said a lot to me.  It told me that he did not want to be 
president.

Look at all the pressure people are putting on him to run.  Having a reluctant
president may not be such a good idea.  

Who the hell is his running mate?  Or does that not matter?
From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou
Subject: Re: Help out!
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 13:55:42 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

In article 16580@cs.tulane.edu, tcws@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (Bill Sirinek) writ
es:
>If you want to learn how you can contribute money, or where you can go to volu
nteer for the campaign of who will be our country's next President:
>
>Bill Clinton !!

After Clinton gets elected, and he settles all the votes he bought on
account (techno-pork for John Sculley, payments to farmers for not
growing crops, federal education aid for the teachers' union, etc.), he
will do so with money collected from people like me under threat of armed
escort to little rooms with bars.

It looks, though, like he is offering me an opportunity to contribute
*voluntarily* to his political career.

Mighty white of him.


    Alan T. Furman         | VOTE LIBERTARIAN!!  Marrou/Lord in 92!!
---------------------------+----------------------------------------
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.perot
From: mrl28033@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael R Linksvayer)
Subject: Re: Varied: (Taxes, Knight & Perot) and this gro
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 12:09:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.095123.10879@techbook.com> szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo) writes:
>Yes, but many of Perot's supporters lean libertarian.  To whit:
>
>* Favor eliminating the deficit by cutting spending

A recent editorial, in Forbes I believe, called Perot's
plan a 'warmed over $300 billion tax increase.'
 
>It would be great to see an LP/Perotist/pro-choice
>Repub/anti-statist Demo merger into a true, libertarian-leaning
>but moderate major party after the election.  Sign up Weld,
>DuPont, Stockman, Kemp from the Repub side, and some civil
>libertarians from the Demo side.

Any libertarian leanings would be barely discernable.
Weld, so loved by so-called 'libertarian Republicans' is
now advocating industrial policy - see story in last
week's WSJ.

-- 
Mike Linksvayer   m-linksvayer@uiuc.edu   +1 217 344 1326
Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.libertarian
From: brokow@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Brokowski)
Subject: Re: Marrou/Lord TV Ads
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:44:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.024326.5275@access.digex.com> 
backpack@access.digex.com (Stuart Reges) wrote:
>The Marrou/Lord Campaign has developed an ad that they debuted this week.
> [...]
>Keep in mind that this is CNN's Headline News channel (not the normal CNN
>channel).  Next week's national Headline News schedule (starting 9/28) is
>similar:
>
>	Days		Time (EST)	Occurrences
>	-------------------------------------------
>	Mon-Fri		6am-10am	1 spot		
>	Mon-Fri		10am-4pm	1 spot
>	Mon-Sun		11pm-2am	1 spot
>	Sat-Sun		6am-9:30am	1 spot
>	Sat-Sun		noon-6:30pm	1 spot
>

ATTENTION MORNING HEADLINE NEWS WATCHERS:

Can someone who sees the add please mail me (or post to this group) 
the exact time (more or less) that the add aired during the Mon-Fri 
6am-10am spot?  I want to see the add and I will record it but I 
really don't want to spend time fast-forwarding through 4 hours of 
Headline News to spot it.

Thanks.  

  - Mike
    brokowski@nwu.edu

  /* I stated no opinions in my post.  If people think that they've */
  /* seen some, they had better vote Libertarian and hope that the  */
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.marrou
Subject: Campaign '92 Documents Available--FREE
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:23:50 GMT
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