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From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: forcing maple seeds to germinate
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:04:27 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
> 	A recent discussion of germinating acorns prompts me to ask about 
> germinating Maple and Japanese maple seeds.  A maple tree down the street 
> is just gorgeos every fall and I'd love to grow one like it. Suppose I 
> collect some seeds from underneath the tree. How can I get them to 
> germinate.
> A. plant immediately
> B. refirgerate and plant ________(when?)
> C. put in freezer and plant ________(when?)
> 
> I know that japanese maples are often grafted and that makes getting true 
> offspring difficult... but I'd like to give it a try. Do the answers above 
> apply to to Japanese maples too?


Maple seeds lose their viability _very_ rapidly.  Some species have seeds
that are dead in two weeks after falling off the tree.  Safest thing is to
have an outdoors "nursery bed" where you can plant the seed and let
natural temperature changes take care of things.  Same basic
techniques for japanese maples.

If you can't do that, the best thing is to plant the seed immediately,
then try to imitate natural temps with a refrigerator.  Don't freeze
seed*-- freezing disrupts cells and then the embryo dies. Remember
that head of lettuce that you accidentally froze?  Um hm.

*Very dry seed (<15% moisture) can usually be frozen, but this is best
left to someone with some knowledge of the physiology of the species.

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: dmiller@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Dick and Jill Miller)
Subject: Re: drip irrigation from a bucket?
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:17:22 GMT

erickson@Ingres.COM (Rod Erickson) asks:
>Any references on a temporary, easy way to irrigate from a container of water?
>
>I'm moving to a sunny, dry climate (Healdsburg CA), and want to get some vines
>started for visual screening.  When starting out, they'll need water at least
>daily; a drip system would greatly improve their chances of survival.
>The location doesn't permit keeping a hose in place.
>One day's storage capacity is a minimum; 4 days' would greatly expand our
>options.  Water conservation isn't a big issue, since we're on a good well.
>
>Is there an easy way to feed drip emitters from a container (bucket, barrel)?
>Does this actually work?  (Low/variable pressure, etc).

I have had success from large soda/pop bottles.  Cut off the bottom.  Shove 
the neck into the soil next to your plant.  Fill the bottle.  All the water 
will soak into the soil.  It usually empties within an hour or two 
depending on the type of soil.  You don't really need continuous water, 
just a reliable supply each day.  You can fill the bottle from a bucket if 
you can't easily get a hose to them, or you can drag the hose over, fill 
them, and them leave them to do their thing.  Very convenient.  No water 
running down the hill.  Everything goes into the soil right where you want 
it.  And best of all, the system is virtually free. (My only problem was 
finding soda bottle.  I really dislike carbonation! :')

--Jill


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Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz)
Subject: Re: Hyperaccumulators?
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:52:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.205925.7361@iscsvax.uni.edu> klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

> There is a cute S. African plant I've read of called "giftboom" (poison
> tree) that does something rather spectacular with fluorine, which I've
> now forgotten.  Maybe uses F- instead of Cl-?????

"Gifblaar".  It makes fluoroacetate ion, a potent inhibitor of the
Krebs cycle.  One mouthful of this plant can kill a sheep.  A related
species makes some other fluorinated acids, also toxic.

Interestingly, another member of this genus is a nickel
hyperaccumulator.

	Paul F. Dietz
	dietz@cs.rochester.edu
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Soft water 'poisoning' symptoms
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:27:37 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

gse@ida.liu.se (Goran Sedvall) writes:
> That reminds me about my ficus I bought for a short while ago
> (it's my first plant). I have white spots on the foliage and
> I suspect they come from the water I spray on the plant. Is
> it possible to spray with destilated water or something similar?
> The spots are very easy to wipe out with a wet tissue.

Sure, you can use deionized or distilled water.  That should solve
your problem.  *HOWEVER* there are two possible problems to look out
for with distilled and/or deionized water:
  1) Plants that are being grown in nutrient deficient media may
    exhibit all sorts of strange toxic symptoms due to trace chemicals
    remaining in the water.  This isn't a problem with soil culture
    (soil is a *great* buffer for nasties), but it can be if you're
    experimenting with hydroponic culture or growth on defined
    media in lab situations.

  2) Some universities have "distilled water" on tap that is nothing
    more than condensed steam from a heating plant (which would be OK)
    to which they've added something so the water doesn't corrode the
    pipes.  Sometimes biologists find they get better growth in 
    their cultures if they bring in well water from the country and
    ignore the "distilled water".  (Right, Karen?)

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: frosty@med.unc.edu (Steve Loechel)
Subject: Re: Wildflower seed sources?
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:18:08 GMT

In article <Bw0xK0.6ro.1@cs.cmu.edu> moody@cs.cmu.edu writes:
>Thanks to all who replied to my groundcover querey last week.  Now,
>does anyone have handy a name and phone number for a wildflower farm?
>I seem to remember one in Vermont, and I could swear that we got a 
>catalog earlier this year from some place in Texas, but I'll be darned
>if I can track them down.  I still had Burpee catalogs from last year,
>though.
I recommend Wildseed Farms, located in Texas. Their phone number is 1-800-
848-0078. They have a very good selection, the quality of their seeds is
absolutely topnotch, and their prices are much lower than Vermont
Wildflower Farms, for example.

Frosty

Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Mailorder source for oak trees?
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 12 OCT 92 19:40:45    

Anybody know of a source from which I can order some oak trees via the 
mail?  

Thanks in advance.

JGH
From: dave@voyager.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Asparagus
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:16:54 GMT
Reply-To: dave@voyager.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM in Austin, TX
Originator: dave@krakatoa.austin.ibm.com


I'm not a avid follower of this group, so if this is a FAQ - sorry.

I like some advice on aspargus:

	1.) Do I need to protect it from frost by covering it or
	do I prune it back to some level and let the stubs freeze.
	Basically what do I do w/ it this winter. 

	2.) Can/should I thin it in the spring. Currently, its growing
	like weeds in rather thick bunches.

	3.) Will pruning it in some fashion improve growth/production.

	4.) How to harvest ? Just lop it off at the base when its
	thick enough and before it sprouts leaves.

Any advice is welcome.

Thanks,
	dave
 _____________________________________________________________________________
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Thanks,
	dave
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From: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Celine reference
Date: 11 Oct 1992 00:12:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


	Thought I'd better correct  this myself before someone else
notices the mistake.  The character in Celiine's DEATH ON THE 
INSTALLMENT PLAN  who shoots himself after the failure of his attempt to grow
giant vegetables by electrifying the ground is not the narrator's uncle.
He is a compulsive inventor and polymath named Courtial.  His  weird
scheme produces only maggoty potatoes and fear and suspicion among
his neighbors who are convinced that he has created a race of invincible,
giant maggots.

J. Del Col
-- 
Jeff Del Col      *    "Got a gypsy woman givin' me advice,      
A-B College       *     Got a whole lotta tricks keepin' here on ice."    
Philippi, WV      *          ---Got My Mojo Workin'--  P. Foster
                  *         
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
From: janez@base.bellcore.com (Jane Zysk)
Subject: Re: mums and roses questions
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:30:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.151217.16637@njitgw.njit.edu>, smt2626@hertz.njit.edu (sylvia m tou mfen stnt) writes:
|> 
|> I planted some mums I bought from the grocery store last month.  Someone
|> told me that mums are hardy and will bloom next year if I effective
|> slice off the top of the plant (cut off all the flowers) and strip the
|> stems of leaves and I should do this now.

	Yikes!  Hold on to those clippers!
	Mums are perennials, so they will die back (after
	blooming) and reappear next spring.  Next summer
	is the time to trim them.  After they have grown a
	bit and have 2 sets of leaves, then you can trim them
	every so often right through July.  Note that "trimming"
	means just cut off the tops of the plants...don't strip
	off all the leaves.  After that, it's best to just let
	them grow so that they can flower again in the fall.  After
	a couple of years, you may want to thin the clump of Mums
	out a bit...just dig up a clump witha shovel and either
	plant it in another section of your yard or give it away
	to a friend. 
	We live in Monmouth County NJ, and have had great success
	with our mums.

	Jane
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Does Chlorine Kill?
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:03:31 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

sabat@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
> My backyard neighbor recently dumped half of the water from their giant above
> ground pool onto the yard.  Much of my back yard was flooded and I immediately
> went over there and nicely asked them not to do that again.  Although I wasn't
> thinking about it at the time, I realize that the water probably had either
> cholrine or bromide? in it.  Does anyone know if this much of those chemicals
> is hazardous to any plants or trees.  I was a bit upset over this because I
> could not work in the yard as I was planning and will be ven more so if any of

Yes, Cl- and Br- are both problems for plants in moderately high
concentrations.   How high plants can tolerate depends very much
on the species of plants involved.  On the other hand, Cl- is 
a required nutrient in small amounts.

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
From: ted.jensen@spacebbs.com (Ted Jensen) 
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Strawberries
Date: 13 Oct 92 05:19:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193
Reply-To: ted.jensen@spacebbs.com (Ted Jensen) 

As a relative newcomer to the business of gardening I tried
several things this summer.  One of these was the planting of a
dozen or so strawberry plants of the Quinalt (everbearing)
variety in a large strawberry pot that was given to us as a gift
some years back. I planted these around the middle of April which
I think was a little late in the season since they were the last
of the strawberry plants I saw in our local nursery.

While the plants have done beautifully from the viewpoint of
greenery, developing 6 foot trailers (I think that is the term),
we only got 3 strawberries off the whole lot.

As an experiment I used a little rootone on each of a half dozen
trailers and propagated a half dozen new plants which have now
been cut free from the original trailer and are sitting in 2 inch
containers in the sun.  Each of these looks a healthy green and
have developed a blossom in the center of the plant, while the
leaves on the plants in the strawberry pot are turning red and
yellow.

Given all of that I have the following questions:

    1)  What should I do next year to get more berries?  Plant a
    different variety?

    2)  I have read that at the end of the season where
    conditions permit (i.e. the plants are in the ground and
    local burning is permitted) that the old plants should be
    covered with straw and burned, presumably to prevent some
    kind of disease in next years crop.  I obviously cannot do
    that here.  Can I toss the remains on the compost pile or is
    this "disease" likely to continue to haunt me if I do so?

    3)  What should I do with my half dozen new plants?  Should I
    try to plant them in the ground now?  Bring them indoors
    until spring? (we seldom get frost in SF Bay Area), or simply
    discard them?

    4)  I have the half dozen containers sitting on the ground
    along side of the house.  When watering them this a.m. I
    noted a) they are _covered_ with ants (we have a lot of ants
    around here) and b) several very small files with irridescent
    red and yellow bodies (and size) were hovering around the
    blossoms.  Is this normal?  Anything special I should be
    doing?

Note, I am willing (and probably likely) to toss the new plants
on the compost pile as well since as a beginner I expect I will
try a different variety next year.  However, curiosity has the
best of me about what one would do if one wanted to make use of
these for propagation of new stock.

Am interested in any or all comments.   Thanks in advance!
Ted Jensen   Redwood City, Calif.


 * SLMR 2.1a *
From: gwv@eastrg2.cray.com (George Vandenberghe)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Saving Tomato Plants from Certain Demise?
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:25:55 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article <Oct.14.12.05.34.1992.5652@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) writes:
|> In discussing bringing cuttings from a tomato plant indoors,
|> gwv@helium.cray.com (George Vandenberghe) writes:
|> 
|> >It is a good idea to keep next year's tomato seedlings away from such
|> >overwintered plants.
|> 
|> Why?
|> 
|> -- 
|> Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,
|> 
|> Chris Jarocha-Ernst			Rutgers University Computing Services
|> Internet: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu       BITnet: JAROCHAERNST@ZODIAC
    
   Tomato plants in the east are subject to several virus diseases.  (THe only
one I remember right now is Tobacco Mosaic virus.)  They are rarely
fatal but will cause some loss in yield and vigor.  They are spread
by aphids and direct contact between plants or between plants and
things which have touched infected plants  
    If you overwinter a tomato plant indoors, you may carry over a source
of virus.  If you keep tomato seedlings near an infected plant the seedlings
may become infected.
    
    However, I should also point out that in twenty years of growing tomatoes,
in Pennsylvania, Virginia, Maryland, New Jersey, and Florida, I have never noticed
virus symptoms and I don't much worry about them.  I overwintered garden plants
in a greenhouse one year and had problems with whiteflies the following summer
but saw no virus.


I also make the disclaimer that I am a hobby gardener with a lot of experience
but NOT a professional horticulturalist, agronomist or plant pathologist.
Constructive critiques of my advice is welcome
From: shafer@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer OFA)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Subject: Re: Apple tree question
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:03:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035

I missed the original posting, so the following may not be applicable.

Unless you live somewhere that freezes fairly hard, your choice of
apples is extremely limited and you should consult a good local
nursery to find one of the few varieties that will bear fruit in
your climate.

For example, I think there's precisely one apple that will bear fruit
in Los Angeles and it's a specially-bred variety that isn't really a
great apple.

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362  NASA Ames Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
         shafer@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov
                     Of course I don't speak for NASA
From: kent@hal.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Dont shoot until you see...
Date: 16 Oct 1992 13:54:40 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.nde.swri.edu

In article <BD.92Oct12132918@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes:
>
>>I have many times read reports of shootings where a police officer put a clip
>>of 9mm into a drug-user and eventually said perpetrator bled to death, but
>>not before beating shit out of police officer.
>
>Does this belong in alt.folklore.urban?  I don't believe anyone,
>PCP or not, beats the shit out of a cop after taking a *clip* of
>9mm (maybe, if the clip only had 1 bullet in it).

Maybe so, but it sounds like a real incident that happened in Louisiana (if I
remember correctly). A training tape was made for police officers based on
the incident. The officer mentioned discussed the incident (on the tape).  A
cousin who is a deputy sheriff in Dallas saw the tape about 3 or 4 years ago
during a training session on drug busts. Apparently that both police officers
present barely made it out alive.

I could probably get more information if someone is really interested, but
I'd rather not :^).

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute (will disavow any knowledge of me)
Internet : kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu
(DoF #)  : I Think, Therefore I Forget; I think.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (The Nashville Flash)
Subject: SS Allen Bolts
Originator: dab@space3
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:51:46 GMT

In article <Bw2t0J.6Mx@tridom.com> alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming) writes:
>I'd like to do this for my bike, but I've been unable to find any place
>accept the dealer for purchsing SS Allen bolts.  Anyone know of a secret
>distributor?

Look in the Real Yellow Pages(r) under "Bolts and Nuts."  Call before
you go to make sure they carry metric SS Allen stuff.  Failing that, go
to an aircraft service company (probably QUITE close to the airport :-) and
visit their parts counter.
============================================================================
 "No hour of life is lost that is spent in the saddle." - Winston Churchill
    The Nashville Flash	  -   dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu   -   DoD # 412
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re:    Test ...
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:52:32 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 145346GHADSAL@auvm.american.edu, <GHADSAL@auvm.american.edu> () writes:
>--
>       -      __o
>      -     _ \<,_
>     -     (_)/ (_)

A bicycle!  Quick, somebody run him off the road, and let's go argue
about it in rec.bicycles!

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BIKE!
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:33:25 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Communications Inc. Montreal, Canada
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.


EXCUSE the embarrissing disclaimer above.



In article <1992Oct16.115250.4142@bnr.uk> datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
>
>
>Sidecar>  Brit bikers!  Yoi!  I have just seen the ad in the back of Bike for
>          the "funny" no. plates. Does anybody have any experience of these.
>          It was from "Camera Shy Promotions".  Will it be upto me to be the
>          guinea pig and do a write-up on the success/failure of these things?







Form PerformanceBikes:

You may have spotted adverts recently for number plates which are claimed to 
foil attempts at flash photography. There is only one possible use for this,
and that's to esacpe detection by a Gatso [sounds like Gestapo-a coincedence?]
speed trap. This is clearly illegal under section three of the  
I've-got-you-now-you-bastard Act, 1902, but that's beside the point; do they
work? Well, we took two pictures; one with flash, the other without. The
results are printed here. See if you can spot the difference [you can't] 
-  we can't.


Why not try: strap luggage partaly over plate, bend plate to a different angle,
build up a nice muddy/oily layer on plate, rear pointing flash slave unit,..
..etc...










--
Stamos <lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se>            ZZR11            Ellas
Ericsson, Cellular Design
Montreal, Canada.
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Stupid Questions
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:30:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Oct08.183057.28593
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <92Oct08.144048.25369@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>The most comical bikes would have to be the BMW boxers and
>the Honda Pacific Coast.

I wonder what it'd take to transplant an R80 motor into a Pacific Coast?
Or maybe just saw the ends off some old BMW jugs, and glue them to
the front of the PC....
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: I won? (NOT!) (really DoD pets)
Keywords: cager,asshole
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:50:49 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View

In article <carlp.718570987@frigg> carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
}Dogs are big and loveable and devoted and STUPID (they'll do anything
}just to please you).  Cats don't give a damn what you think, and if
}they fall over, scramble, almost-die during some stupid maneuver -
}they just look up to see if anybody's looking, and then put on that 
}"I _meant_ to do that" look.  Prefect biker attitude.

Yeah, but dogs stick by each other when there's trouble, they *love*
to go fast and get bugs in their teeth, a lot of 'em like to ride on
bikes, and some of 'em like to skydive. And dogs look real vicious at
DoD minimum speed and in freefall (like there's a difference) cause the
wind pushes their jowls back and shows their teeth.

Cats, on the other hand, are the ultimate posers.

}If we didn't already have llamas, I'd nominate cats as the Official
}Pets of the DoD.

I'm beginning to like them llamas more and more...
-- 
Curtis Jackson		cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	(415) 962 4905
USPA #A-10080 (lapsed)				DoD #721  '81 Maxim 650
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)