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From: wkm@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (william.k.mcnally)
Subject: Federal Assualt on Ruby Ridge
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:13:46 GMT

"The Federal Assault on Ruby Ridge -
 The Story of a Government Run Amuck"

"Federal officers murder 14 year old & his mother"


As many of you know I am active in the battle to bring about an
informed people in NH - "For only an informed people can hope to 
retain - and be worthy of - that freedom with which this 
nation has been blessed."  Some of you may have heard Bo Gritz and me
on WLVU during Bo's NH visit and appearance at the Clarion Hotel.

On Friday, August 21, 1992, Federal officers shot and killed 14 year
old Samuel Weaver on Ruby Ridge in the mountains of northern Idaho.
The following  day a sniper from the same group of officers shot his
mother, Vicki Weaver, in the head, killing her.

On  August 26, Jack McLamb, a retired Phonenix police officer, private
investigator and publisher of "Aid & Abet", a police officers' 
newsletter dealing with Constitutional issues, went with presidential
candidate, Bo Gritz, to assist in the negotiation to end the situation
without further loss of life. McLamb told the entire story in an
interview with Carl Wigglesworth of San Antonio Radio Station WOAI.
Exerpts form the interview follow:

Describing the attack on the 14 year old Samuel, he says,

"On seeing these masked men killing his dog, he took a shot at (them).
Then they returned fire, shooting Samuel in the left arm. He spun around,
dropping his weapon and started running back towards Kevin. He ran past
Kevin and they shot him four times in the back and he fell dead."

The next day, Saturday, August 22, 1992, as Kevin Harris, Randy Weaver and
his 16 year old daughter, Sarah, attempted to visit the body of Samuel,
Randy was shot in the arm by a sniper. The three of them dashed back to
the cabin. McLamb continues,

"Vicki, the mother, is holding 8 month old Elishaba who she was just
presently nursing before she heard the shooting...She holds the door
open for (them). As Kevin runs past her, Vicki is shot in the head
with a .308 heavy rifle - a sniper rifle - and falls dead and drops
little Elishaba out of her arms."

What kind of violent, criminal, terrorist activity caused such a
violent response by Federal Officers?

The fact is: eighteen months earlier, Randy Weaver had been indicted
on a misdemeanor Federal firearms charge, a charge which McLamb says
was the result of entrapment. Randy Weaver allegedly sold a rife
to an undercover agent with a seventeen and three-quarter inch barrel -
one-quarter of an inch shorter than federal regulations. For this
horrendous crime he lost his wife & son and received a crippling wound.

To obtain information on the full one-hour interview send a $1
contribution to:

F.R.E.E. (Fund to Restore an Educated Electorate)
P.O. Box 3339, Kerrville, Texas  78029

			Yours for America's future,
 
			William K. McNally    Windham, NH 
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From: amils@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alex MILS)
Subject: Greek government threatening MILS
Followup-To: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 14:10:08 GMT


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MEDIA RELEASE

Greek government, acting through  Bugnion,  a  Belgian  patents,
trademarks  and  designs  agency,  sent a letter threatening MILS
with court action if it did not stop using the  term  "Macedonia"
in  its  name.  The letter claimed that MILS (Macedonian Informa-
tion and Liaison Service) infringed upon the trade  name  of  the
Greek  operated  Agency  Macedoine Press/Macedonian Press Agency,
which it is claimed was  registered  with  Benelux  countries  on
15/10/92.  However, the trade name Makedonija (Macedonia) was re-
gistered with the Belgian authorities in  1986.  Makedonija  is a
cultural,sporting and religious association set up by Macedonians
from the Republic of Macedonia living  in  Belgium.   Agency  Ma-
cedoine  Press  belongs  to the Ministry of the Prime Minister of
Greece, and deals with information bulletins, journalism...

The letter makes the following declarations: "Reading your  docu-
ment,  it  seems that a lot of "products" are similar to these of
our client. That's why we would like to ask you to avoid all  ac-
tivity that could lead to confusion for the larger public and for
specialists, such as the press...  The use of all names referring
to  "Macedonia" and for this reason leading to confusion with the
marque (trade name) of our client, should be avoided by  you  and
will  lead to court action by our client."  The Director of MILS,
Mr Ljupco Naumovski, said that "if the Greek operated Agency  Ma-
cedoine  Press was distributing similar media documents and news,
then the Greek government would support basic  human  rights  for
ethnic  Macedonians  in  Greece,  and  would  have recognised the
Republic of Macedonia by now".

It is believed the Greek government wants MILS put out of  opera-
tion  because it provides the international media and politicians
with news about the Republic of Macedonia. A recent trial against
two  Macedonian  human  rights activists in Greece was given wide
publicity by MILS, and this angered the Greek  government.   MILS
is a non-government organisation funded by the public, in partic-
ular Australian-Macedonians.

It would be ludicrous to suggest that anyone can  hold  copyright
on a name of a country. For instance, who actually owns the terms
Greece, Europe or evenAmerica?!

Newsgroups: misc.headlines
From: busta@vicki.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: Read my lips
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:24:47 GMT


In article <1992Nov10.053753.24914@jack.sns.com>, jsb@jack.sns.com (Jim Best) writes...
>Well .... Well .... Will you look at this...........
> 
>Headline from Knight-Ridder Financial News............
> 
>	"CLINTON ADVISER BACKS OFF TAX CUT PLEDGE"
> 
> 
>The man has not even taken the oath of office and already he is backing
>off of his promises......... Can You Say........ "READ MY LIPS"



  I think Yogi Berra said it best.... "It's Deja Vu all over again..."




<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Paul R. Busta	Busta@vicki.enet.dec.com                       Salem,N.H.  
		--or-- ...!decwrl!vicki.enet.dec.com!busta    603-894-3962
		--or-- busta%vicki.enet@decwrl.dec.com

         "One only sees what one observes, and one observes only 
              those things which are already in the mind."
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From: jsb@jack.sns.com (Jim Best)
Subject: Read my lips
Organization: Systems'n'Software
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 05:37:53 GMT

Well .... Well .... Will you look at this...........

Headline from Knight-Ridder Financial News............

	"CLINTON ADVISER BACKS OFF TAX CUT PLEDGE"


The man has not even taken the oath of office and already he is backing
off of his promises......... Can You Say........ "READ MY LIPS"
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From: garry@alice.att.com (garry hodgson)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Mr Clinton
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:02:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24112
Reply-To: garry@alice.UUCP ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T, Bell Labs

In article <Bx7GxD.A9C@apollo.hp.com> holbrook@apollo.HP.COM (Alan R. Holbrook) writes:

>Bill Clinton will be the next president of the United States.
>And as both George Bush and Ross Perot said, he deserves our
>backing now that the carnival is over.
>But he'd better have a pretty spectacular four years in office or the fickle
>electorate will remind him of that plurality position and toss him out on
>the same piece of tender anatomy they did Bush.

I hope, whether you love him or hate him, he'll have a spectacular
four years.  The country could sure use it.

[stuff deleted]

>Then those of us who understand some simple
>mathematics can have fun pointing out to them that the majority
>of the people indeed did NOT throw the bums out.

Actually, a clear majority DID throw the bum out.  They merely
disagreed about who should take his place.

>But, hey, at least we saw once again that the system does work...

Indeed, it did.  It sure worked differently this time than it does,
with Perot in the game and all, but it did work.





-- 
Garry Hodgson			A slow winter day
AT&T Bell Labs			A night like forever
garry@alice.att.com		Sink like a stone
att!alice!garry			Float like a feather
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From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Subject: Re: CENSORED: BOHEMIAN GROVE
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Dept. of Independence
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:36:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.091509.27095@mont.cs.missouri.edu>, rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel) writes...
>Mathison, San Francisco bureau chief for People magazine, managed to
>surreptitiously infiltrate the encampment in search of a story few
>reporters have access to.  And he got it.  He recorded a variety of
>newsworthy items, including a speech, "Smart Weapons," by former Navy
>Secretary John Lehman, who said that the Pentagon estimated that
>200,000 Iraqis were killed by the U.S. and its allies during the Gulf
>War.  Other speakers included Defense Secretary Richard Cheney on "Major


Hmm, you're sure these speeches weren't given from the stage during
a drag revue? Context is important, you know. From what I've read
about the Bohemian Grove folks, they're the male elite, no doubt
about it, but I'd be skeptical of speeches given during a shindig
where they wander around nude, pee on trees, stuff like that...
From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Mr Clinton
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:00:27 GMT
Followup-To: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <Bx7GxD.A9C@apollo.hp.com>, holbrook@apollo.HP.COM (Alan R.
Holbrook) wrote:
> 
> ...I have been wondering all day how a man who
> got only a plurality of the vote and who beat the next man in line by only 5%
> can be said to have been elected by a landslide or won by a blow-out.  But I
> have heard both of those things said.

Those things are always said when the victory shows a large margin anywhere
-- in the popular vote, in the Electoral College, whatever.  It doesn't
mean anything.  Everyone said Nixon and Reagan and Bush won by landslides,
too.  It didn't mean anything then, and it doesn't mean anything now.

On the other hand, it is clear that Bush LOST by a landslide, and so did
Perot.  It's also clear that Clinton won EASILY, because Bush threw it all
away and Perot never had a chance to begin with.

> Actually, Mike, what I'm waiting for is for all the "The U.S. is so evil/Throw
> Another Conspiracy on the Fire" group to start gloating about Bush's defeat,
> as I'm sure we can count on them to do.  Then those of us who understand some
> simple mathematics can have fun pointing out to them that the majority of the
> people indeed did NOT throw the bums out.

Oh yes, we sure as hell did.  Between now and the inauguration we will all
be watching Bush -- together with his thieving buddies and the far-right
goofballs he tried to sell out to -- go sliding in slow motion across the
pavement, some on their faces, some on their asses, hats falling off,
clothes getting dirtier and more raggedy all the way until they finally
skid into the gutter all in a dirty, smelly heap, just like the bums they
are, having been thrown out good and proper by the American Voter.  The
math is indeed simple: when it came down to voting time, they could no
longer scare, bribe, or bully very many people into voting for them.  They
lost big.

Conspiracies?  Hell, the conspiracies are always there.  With the Bush
League, it was just that the conspiracies were so cheap and cheesy and
obvious, like what you'd expect from some lame ex-CIA hack who no longer
has the CIA apparatus exactly working for him, 'cause they know a loser
when they see one.

Gloat?  You bet your bruised little Republican ass, Alan, we're gonna gloat
some.  Get used to it.

--

David Casseres
Exclaimer: Wow!
Xref: sparky misc.headlines:7015 talk.politics.misc:59804
From: guido@island.COM (Guido Marx)
Subject: Re: Mr Clinton
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.  San Rafael, Ca.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:37:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.203238.19847@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> miller@quiver.enet.dec.com (Brian A. Miller) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov5.175048.3527@island.COM>, guido@island.COM (Guido Marx) writes...
>> 
>>They even have enough votes to stop filibusters in the Senate.  For
>
>Wrong.  To stop filibusters requires 60 out of 100 Senate seats to be Democratic.  
>There are now 57, I
>believe (or will be after inauguration...)

I made that statement based on an analysis done by Tom Campbell on election
night.  Evidently, he thought the democrats would have 60 seats based
on the current projections.  Obviously, two republicans must have won
some races they were projected to lose.  According to yesterday's 
Chronicle, the democrats will have 58 seats in the new Senate.  That is
two short of the vote needed for cloture.  I still think that for many
of the votes coming up, the republicans won't have enough votes to
filibuster.  For example, Family leave, Freedom of Choice act, and now
a Capital gains tax cut and an increase in taxes on incomes over $200,000.

Guido


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From: miller@quiver.enet.dec.com (Brian A. Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Mr Clinton
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:31:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Nov5.175048.3527@island.COM>, guido@island.COM (Guido Marx) writes...
> 
>They even have enough votes to stop filibusters in the Senate.  For

Wrong.  To stop filibusters requires 60 out of 100 Senate seats to be Democratic.  There are now 57, I
believe (or will be after inauguration...)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
From: mspayer@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Mike Payer)
Subject: Re: Gore got lost!!!!!
Reply-To: mspayer@PacBell.COM (Mike Payer)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:50:25 GMT

In article <komarimf.721602242@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Mark 'Henry' Komarinski) writes:
>jsb@jack.sns.com (Jim Best) writes:
>
>>Did anyone notice that Mr Gore got lost in the woods and had to have the
>>secret service come and find him.
>
>>Now did you also notice that it was just barely mentioned on the radio
>>news.
>
>>Would you like to bet that if it was Danny boy that got lost in the woods
>>it would have been the lead story on ALL the network news shows.
>
>>But we all know the press is not biased..............
>
>But Danny(e) boy has done a lot more stupid things than Gore has.
>I also hear that a lot of people are going to be out of work since the
>VP isn't an ass.  No more books, no more jokes.  *sigh* Even the great and
>infamous Dan Quayle Internet Quote List must be disbanded.

THIS IS AN I GOT YOU ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This  is absolute PROOF that the Bush-Quayle team did create jobs.. And 
now that they are going to be out of office you Liberals are crying about
being out of work... JEEZZZZZZZZZ :-) :-) :-)

	MSP - mspayer.pacbell.com
	
	I long to be a Hero, but their made not born.............Tom T Hall
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,alt.activism,misc.consumers
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,ca.politics,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Mr Clinton
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:34:17 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

sichermn@beach.csulb.edu (Jeff Sicherman) writes:

> In article <1992Nov4.214658.13280@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. T
> >In article <1992Nov4.212445.27963@cbnews.cb.att.com>, jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com 
> >> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
> >> >Kennedy 1960 (lost popular vote to Nixon)
> >> 
> >> Bzzzt. Kennedy got 100,000 more votes than Nixon.
> >
> >  ...from graveyards in Chicago...
> 
>   Yes, but if they were newly departed, they may still have been registered.
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Sicherman
> up the net without a .sig


The only difference between a Chicago election and a California election 
(until this year, at least):

In chicago, the dead vote. In California, they're more often elected.
G.

--
Gregory Alan Gross      Welcome to life, where no good deed goes unpunished.
San Diego Union-Tribune         (619) 293-1270 (voice)
P.O. Box 191                    (619) 293-2333 (fax)
San Diego, CA 92112-4106        galan@netlink.cts.com (Internet)
Xref: sparky misc.headlines:7014 soc.culture.europe:9485 soc.culture.yugoslavia:9464
From: garrett@Ingres.COM (It's not what you got, it's what you give)
Subject: Library of Congress
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: 
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:52:10 GMT

	I'm not quite sure which newsgroup to pose this question to, so...

Does the Library of Congress in Washington D.C. have an ftp 
compatible computer? Or something comparible? If so, then does anyone
have any directions or suggestions to access it? Any information would
be greatly appreciated.

Please email me if you know.

Garrett@Ingres.com
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From: ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,ca.politics,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Mr Clinton
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:03:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <1992Nov6.050049.22628@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.212445.27963@cbnews.cb.att.com> jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
>>thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>Kennedy 1960 (lost popular vote to Nixon)
>>
>>Bzzzt. Kennedy got 100,000 more votes than Nixon.
>
>Only if you count voters in the South who voted for Democratic slates in
>the electoral college that announced that they would not vote for Kennedy 
>under any circumstances.

The total popular vote for Kennedy included
	1.  Northerners who said they would not vote for him, but did anyway;
	2.  Southerners who said they would not vote for him, but did anyway;
	3.  Easterners who said they would not vote for him, but did anyway;
	4.  Westerners who said they would not vote for him, but did anyway;
	5.  Northerners who said they would vote for him, and did;
	6.  Southerners who said they would vote for him, and did;
	7.  Easterners who said they would vote for him, and did;
	8.  Westerners who said they would vote for him, and did;
	9.  Northerners who didn't say who they'd vote for, and voted for him;
	10. Southerners who didn't say who they'd vote for, and voted for him;
	11. Easterners who didn't say who they'd vote for, and voted for him;
	12. Westerners who didn't say who they'd vote for, and voted for him.
With these 12 groups of people, Kennedy got 100,000 more votes than Nixon.
Why do you single out the 2nd group?  Is there some reason why their votes
should not have been counted?

Carrie		ceb@rechenau.unify.com		x 6244  ----------------+
|  I don't belong to any organized political party:  I'm a Democrat.	|
|						-- Will Rogers		|
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From: ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Mr Clinton
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:14:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <randall.721002617@woof> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>mspayer@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Mike Payer) writes:
>
>>When you combine the votes for Bush and Perot 57% of the American people
>>voted against Bill Clinton.

When you combine the votes appropriately, 61% of the American people voted
against George Bush and 81% of the American people voted against Ross Perot.
They and the minor party candidates, against whom even higher percentages of
people voted, are clearly less entitled to be called the winner than Bill
Clinton is.

>2) [Clinton's] support was strong in all regions of the country
>
>>It would seem to me that Mr Clinton will have a problem in that he does
>>not come to Washington with a mandate to govern. ( comments )
>
>A "mandate" is what you make it.  Not getting a majority did not
>bother Wilson, JFK, or Nixon.

Clinton's strong support in all regions of the country, including the South,
recently a strongly Republican block, and the West, also a strongly Republi-
can block, gives him the mandate.  A narrow squeek in the electoral college
would be a sign of no mandate.  Clinton did not win by a narrow margin in
the electoral college, and Congress is aware of that.


Carrie		ceb@rechenau.unify.com		x 6244  ----------------+
|  I don't belong to any organized political party:  I'm a Democrat.	|
|						-- Will Rogers		|
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From: hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Deer hunting accident with shotgun?
Date: 13 Nov 92 23:57:32 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <13NOV199207571679@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov>, packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:

|> Are deer typically hunted with a shotgun? ...

 Sure.  Under 100 yards, a shotgun with slugs is
 probably more lethal than a rifle but may tend to
 be not as finely accurate and destroys more meat.

 In some states, shotguns are the only firearm allowed,
 no rifles.  Mostly these states are in the East to 
 Northeast. If I remember correctly, there some counties
 that even require the use of buckshot only while others 
 require slugs only.

|> How close would you typically have to be from a person
|> to shoot them dead with a shotgun?

 Accidently, a long ways, probably several hundred yards
             or more with slugs.   With buckshot, probably
             less than 200 yards.
 Purposely, saboted magnum slugs are probably accurate
            out beyond 200 yards.


 TRAVIS
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
From: bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing)
Subject: Court Ruling
Organization: MCNC Center for Communications -- CONCERT Network
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:17:01 GMT


 COURT ALLOWS INSURANCE CUTS:
    Supreme Court action Monday will allow employers to sharply cut 
 health insurance coverage for workers with AIDS or other costly 
 illnesses. Without comment, justices declined to hear the plea of 
 the estate of John McGann, whose Houston employer cut AIDS 
 coverage from $1 million to $5,000 after learning he had the 
 disease in 1987. McGann died last year at 47.
     


--
"Why, have you never noticed that opinion without knowledge is
always a shabby sort of thing? At the best is blind. One who
holds true a belief without intelligence is just like a blind
man who happens to take the right road, isn`t he?"  Socrates
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