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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Mail order Monitors-opinons wanted
From: jjohnson@ewsvax.mdcbbs.com
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:50:35 GMT
Organization: McDnDSpaceSys, Huntington Bch, CA
Nntp-Posting-User: jjohnson


Hi all,

 I'm about to take the plunge and buy a semi- to large screen color monitor for
my IIcx. I've been running off an Apple ~20" B&W for 3 years doing coding and
other color-non-essential stuff, and it's time to see those color images in
something better than 1-bit dither.
  Of course, the best prices are offered by the mail-order guys, but I'm kinda
leery of buying a screen that I've never seen that was bounced by FedEx or UPS
at least as far as from the nearest airport. Anybody have stories to share
about big monitors by mail order?
   As far as the choices go, MacDirect has a 19" Sony Trinitron w/8bit
accelerated card for $1698... is this for real, or is there something I'm
missing in the fine print??  I want to get as big and as fast of an 8-bit
system (I don't think I would miss the other 16.6+ M colors)as I can under
$2k that has reasonable color... anybody have any good suggestions in the 15"
and larger category??

Thanks in advance,
Jeff Johnson

jjohnson%ewsvax.decnet@mdcgwy.mdc.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,alt.config,comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.pen,news.config
From: cline@cs.scarolina.edu (Ernest Cline)
Subject: RFD: alt.sys.newton(was RFD: alt.apple.newton)
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:45:53 GMT

Seems that I've managed to provoke quite a discussion!
More than I expected in fact. Based on what's been posted and mailed to me,
there would seem to be support for such a group, just disagreement over what
to name it.

alt.sys.newton  would seem to be the best place to put such a group.

The main reason I am in favor of an alt instead of a comp group is that it
is not certain that Newton will be the final name given to it, in fact it's
probably just an internal project name, much as the Saratoga I'm typing this
on was. However there are some alternative names that might be worth
considering, particularly if there is a desire for a comp group NOW.

*.sys.pda
*.sys.apple.@
*.sys.handhelds.@
*.sys.palmtops.@
*.sys.pen.@

Where * is either alt or comp and @ is either newton or pda.

If we are going to have a comp group now then I would prefer comp.sys.pda
for the following reasons.
1) We dont know if newton will be the product's final name and there will be
future PDA's other than newton, then a group ending in .pda would be a good
choice for a permanent group. Furthermore, a group ending in .newton would
be a good choice for a temporary group which is what I envision
alt.sys.newton to be.
2) I am against *.sys.apple.@ since none of the other Apple products are there.
They have their own distinct apple2 and mac heirarchies yet this device is
certainly going to be a lot more different than the Apple][ and Mac's are.
3) If we have *.handhelds.@ or *.pen.@ we are making a value judgement that
one or the other of the Newton's features is its main feature. I would like
such a group to consider the system in total not just a bit or piece of it.
4) I feel that *.sys.palmtops.@ is in any case the wrong place for such a
group. This is not a miniturized microversion of a regular computer.

Since I have expanded the number of groups beyond the original two
(alt.config and comp.sys.mac.misc) I am including below a copy of my
original post.

>There has been a lot of discussion of late about Newton the pen based PDA
>that Apple will be introducing soon. Yet since this is not a Macintosh, and
>will not be using the MacOS it really doesn't seem to belong in
>comp.sys.mac.misc. Therefore, I propose the group alt.apple.newton an
>unmoderated group for the discussion of this device. Comments will be
>appreciated. If the consensus of opinion that I see is that such a group
>would be useful, then I'll get to learn about how to create a newgroup. If
>not, oh well.
>BTW, if I get no comments at all I'll take this as a lack of interest in
>such a group.

Ernest Cline            cline@cs.scarolina.edu          TheUSC
"To turn the computer on, turn the on switch onto the on position."

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,alt.config,comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.pen,news.config
From: wright@hsi.com (Gary Wright)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.sys.newton(was RFD: alt.apple.newton
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:58:58 GMT

david@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us (David Schachter) writes:
>Let's wait until the traffic in comp.sys.pen
>grows before hiving off a bunch of groups.

I agree.  Why bother with an entire new group until the traffic grows to
the point at which it is difficult to follow the discussions in comp.sys.pen?
-- 
Gary Wright                                                 ...!uunet!hsi!wright
3M Health Information Systems                                     wright@hsi.com
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 10:59:12 IST
From: Noam G. Nudelman <P88038@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Wanted: Index for MacUser & MacWorld

Hi,

   I think the subject line says it all - I'm looking for some kind of
index for MacUser & MacWorld magazines.

   Thanks in advance for your replies,


                                       Noam G. Nudelman

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Disclaimer: This does not necessarily represent the views of my employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho)
Subject: Re: Is StuffIt Deluxe 3.0 available now?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:40:52 GMT

In article <Z6y2NB8w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
>leonardr@ccs.itd.umich.edu writes:
>> In article <1992Jul15.232449.6195@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (
>> >I tried new Stuff It Lite 3.0. In the "about" box, Stuff It Deluxe is
>> >recommended. Where can it get this deluxe archiver? Is it shareware or
>> >commercial product?
>> 
>> 	StuffIt Deluxe is a commercial product currently listing for $99.95,
>> and available mail order for about 50-60.
>
>He's in Canada.  Don't you rip off Canadians with a 100% price hike like you
>rip off the British?
>
>
>mathew
>
Local dealers, which carry a small inventory, impose the price hike.
For example, color games typically push $70 CDN (after taxes, which
I shall *not* get into) and can hit $80. So I always very carefully
read the prices in the U.S. mail order ads, do some quick math in my
head for exchange and GST andf shipping, and see if I come out ahead.
Usually do (BTW, shipping costs are not inconsiderable) There
are some things which I can get at good prices at the university
bookstore (thank goodness for educational pricing). I have seen
on a number of boxes the warning that the software is a U.S. and
Canada version, and not for export; whether the reasoning is
political or not, we can buy and use U.S. versions.  I also buy
3rd party hardware mail order too. 

This discussion of crippled software got me thinking. I was 
browsing through an old issue of MacWeek that was discussing
System 7.1. I thought the article said that 7.1 is going to
be able to switch easily between international systems. My
queation is, is the restricted software cued by what system
is running? If so, will such a matter not become moot by 7.1
(rather pointless, and petty to force intl users to switched
to U.S. system software) I really don't know how the
software is rigged, so maybe it won't be affected.

CKC

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: rrumpf@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert Rumpf)
Subject: Targa viewers?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:47:11 GMT

Does anyone know of any programs that allow one to view/convert an IBM targa 
file on a Mac II class machine?

Bob
From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Powerbook 100 (was Re: Powerbook, Price Club, pricing)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:39:39 BST
Distribution: world
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston) writes:
> Add me to the list.  I decided on the 100 because I wanted the smallest,
> lightest thing I could get (and it was cheaper besides).  The only reason
> I even considered the 140 was because of the color QuickDraw support.
> But then, most likely, by the time that color screens get low enough in
> price that I would have considered upgrading a 140, there will be enough
> other significant improvements that I'll want to get a whole new machine
> anyway.

Exactly.  I reckoned on any Mac I bought being obsolete in two years' time.
By that time, I confidently predict Apple will have smaller, lighter
notebooks using RISC technology, probably with colour screens, and almost
certainly with much longer battery life.

> (It does make me wince, however, that the 100's are now going for less than
> HALF the price I paid for mine . . .)

Yes.  I have to admit I was a bit pissed off to see the machine going for 2/3
what I paid for it, only a couple of months after I bought it.  I think I'm
over the shock now... after all, I did think the price I paid was fair for
the machine I got.  I wish they'd send me my *&%^ing Hypercard, though.

Apple are playing a VERY dangerous game.  People who buy PowerBooks are
obviously clued in to what a good idea portable computing power is, and are
exactly the sort of people one would expect to want a Newton device.  But
after being stung on the PB100, there's absolutely no way I'm going to buy a
Newton when it comes out.  I'll wait six months to a year and buy it for a
third of the price.


mathew
-- 
"Even the most bizarre of the unions (probably that between a cat's gall
 stone and a single note 'G' from CNN's ident theme) managed to convey a
 sense of rampant impropriety."  -- 'Fortran Five', Simon G. Lawrence Leonard

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: dmmg1176@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (David M Marcovitz)
Subject: Re: IIsi startup problem
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:15:30 GMT

sstai@ocf.berkeley.edu (Samuel S. Tai) writes:
>Maybe you have a hardware problem.  Have you checked the cables
>& terminator on the internal drive?  If you have access to test
>equipment, or a technician friend, you might also want to check
>the board, to see if signals fr. the CPU are reaching the drive
>& vice versa.

I doubt this is it.  When I do have the problem, the Inits seem to
load correctly.  Also, I only have the problem between 1/5 and 1/10 of
the time.  The rest of the time, I have no problem.

-- 
David M. Marcovitz                     |  internet: marcovitz@uiuc.edu
Computer-based Education Research Lab  |            dmmg1176@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
University of Illinois                 |  novanet:  marco / cca / nova
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: a non-techie view of Newton
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:00:42 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <7889@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> sho@gibbs.physics.purdue.edu (Sho Kuwamoto) writes:

>Imagine UPS already has your signature on file.  (You sign
>for something once, your signature is in their computer)
>The operator could pop up the signature, regardless of
>whether you had received your package or not.

So, you think this is something new?  You've never heard of
forgery?  

Cutting and pasting a signature to another field would,
in fact, be a ridiculously easy type of forgery to detect,
since no individual ever signs his name exactly the same
way twice.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From:  (jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu)
Subject: Powerbook 100- is there a FAQ
Organization: haphazard, at best
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 20:49:59 GMT

With everyone on this group running to PriceClub
(I went today) and all the discussion lately of :

Trasking w/o dragging
Screen cleaning
Cool/helpful INITS
Tricks of the dang thing
Power usage
Upgrading

Is there a FAQ that details all of this. Or even a 
helpful soul who wants to lend a hand?  Please
let me know, and I will give you ten of my karma
points.  (Lifetime accumulation of 1,000,000 = Nirvana;
LTA of 100,000 = human; <<place lawyer joke here>>)

Thanks much.

Jon     jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
==================================
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with a bong can get a cassette to make love to Elle McPherson for
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-  Dennis Miller


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,alt.config
From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.apple.newton
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:08:28 GMT

In article <RSNYDER.92Jul22154205@hannibal.atl.ge.com> rsnyder@hannibal.atl.ge.com (Bob Snyder) writes:
>>>>>> In article <1992Jul22.160045.3230@cc.gatech.edu>,
>>>>>> byrne@cc.gatech.edu (Michael Byrne) writes:
>
>Michael> Don't call it "alt" anything--some sites can't get alt groups,
>Michael> and it certainly is a "comp" subject.  How about comp.sys.newton?
>
>Or even better, how about waiting until it gets released?

Well, my vote goes for comp.sys.newton.  I've looked at the handheld and
palmtop newgroups and there is little that would benefit the addition of
a newton discussions there.  I, for one, believe that it will become a 
pretty popular newsgroup on its own.

Oh, and don't wait til it gets released, the reader community involves
not only the curious (or the not-so-curious), but developers also.  And
this is as good a forum as any for developer-curious discussion.

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)                    Bulls in 93!!!!!!!!
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
	"No comment." - Michael Jordan's response to the press after being 
                    selected to the All-Interview team.
From: rwatkins@BBN.COM (Ron Watkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: portable upgrade
Date: 30 Jul 1992 14:32:19 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: rwatkins@BBN.COM (Ron Watkins)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

i was given a mac portable (old style) with 2mb ram and backlit...
however it was running 7.0....(near worthless with 2mb) thus i
installed 6.0.8 and hmmmmmm the backlighting doesn't work...
install 7.0....hmmmmm it works....

can anyone shed any "light" on how/why the backlighting works
on 7.0 but not 6.0.8 ?  is there a way to make backlighting work
with 6.0.8 ?

please reply rwatkins@bbn.com

btw: yes i'm actively searching for a ram upgrade for this machine

on another note:

does anyone transfer files between a mac and an apple 3e, and can
tell me how they do this ?  (just looking for options)

thank you !
From: eahg064@orion.oac.uci.edu (Kathleen Hostetter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: MacUser, Z-Mac, downloads and "Zmac Exclusive"s
Keywords: Cell Mate, PowerOrgasm, MacUser, ZMac
Date: 27 Jul 92 04:21:17 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In the September issue of MacUser, a utility called "CellMate" is listed,
described as a menu-bar indicator of a PowerBook's battery.
--"CellMate is available only on ZiffNet/Mac and can be downloaded without
--a connection charge."
Does this mean that I can join ZMac, dload this utility for free, and then
never see nor hear from ZMac/C$erve again? What's the deal here?

ALso mentioned (on page 287) is the fabled PowerOrgasm discussed here not
too long ago. IT is listed as dload-able from Zmac; could some kind soul
please post it in sumex, et. al.??

While on the topic, does "Zmac Exclusive" mean that it is illegal to post it
elsewhere? I personally find it SEVERELY annoying that MacUser relentlessly
promotes telecommunicating, YET only their very own service. (A slightly
askewed viewpoint, true, but I find their endeavor to be journalistically 
irresponsible, morally reprehensible and altogether icky.)

Lastly, what's the scoop on Zmac?? Exactly what services are provided, and for
what fees?? 

Tirade over. Thanks for listening.

Regards,
Kathi Hostetter
eahg064@orion.oac.uci.edu
From: sw@network-analysis-ltd.co.uk (Sak Wathanasin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Top Ten Software Rip-offs, 1992-07-27
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:02:24 GMT
Reply-To: sw@network-analysis-ltd.co.uk
Organization: Network Analysis Ltd
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <JaZkoB8w165w@mantis.co.uk> (comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.apps), mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:

> Since I'm a sporting chap, I use the tourist exchange rates -- the rates you
> or I would get if we walked into a bank and asked to change some currency.
> Rates are obtained from BBC teletext on the day I post the article.  Also, to
> be scrupulously fair, all prices are quoted without tax.

Since you are so sporting, you should also add excise duty and shipping
costs (from USA-UK), since these are included in the UK retailer's
price. You will find that the "%-age rip-off" comes down several points.
Moreover, your calculation of exchange rates doesn't take into account the fact
that the UK distributor is selling you items from stock which was
bought at a different exchange rate. This is almost always the case since
in order to get decent discounts, the distributor has to buy in bulk.

This is not to say that there isn't a rip-off, but I'm not sure why you are
singling out software: books, CDs &c all have a similar mark-up.


Sak Wathanasin
Network Analysis Limited
178 Wainbody Ave South, Coventry CV3 6BX, UK

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Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:13894 news.groups:16107
From: ggw@wolves.uucp (Gregory G. Woodbury)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,news.groups
Subject: comp.sys.mac.advocacy - Underwhelming responses
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:20:46 GMT
Reply-To: ggw@wolves.durham.nc.us
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Wolves Den UNIX
X-Md4-Signature: 5d78ceda0bd2d29ea15e92d4fa6d4411

The response and discussion about this new group proposal are highly
underwhelming.   There is barely a peep out of folks.  The comments in
this public discussion period are not even up to the level of the mail I
got during the "feeler" stage.

So far, the responses I've seen and received are still in favor of
trying to get the group established, with an occasional negative
response.   I hope the vote goes the same way, with more people
participating.

If there are no objections, I'll probably go for the CFV somewhere
around the 6th of August and run the vote for a full thirty days.

			Greg Woodbury
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From: vturner@fred.nmsu.EDU (Vaughan Turner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Powerbook, Price Club, pricing
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:22:54 GMT
	<NICK.92Jul22123239@vaila.ed.ac.uk>
Organization: Klein Bottles Inc.  Help Wanted: Inquire Within


True, the 140 does have 2 serial ports, but you can't use both of them
*and* a modem at the same time anyway...

There is a $140 gadget that gives the 100 2 serial ports too, by using
the modem slot.

Me?  I'm going to get a *big* modem to drop into my 100 as soon as I
can afford it, and then having only one serial port to use for a modem
*and* localtalk won't be a problem.

Like every else,  just my $.02 worth

Vaughan
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: gil@cc.gatech.edu (Gil Neiger)
Subject: PowerBook 170 Availability
Reply-To: gil@cc.gatech.edu
Organization: College of Computing, Georgia Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:46:42 GMT

Does anyone know Apple's status with the PowerBook 170?  I ordered a
4/40 with modem 2 1/2 months ago through our college bookstore and I'm
still waiting.  They told me last week that Apple told them that, if
they're lucky, they'll come in the first week or two of September.

					- Gil Neiger
					gil@cc.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: byrne@cc.gatech.edu (Michael Byrne)
Subject: Re: Autodoubler needs Diskdoubler?
Organization: College of Computing
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:31:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.013813.5425@nic.unh.edu> K_LEPA@unhh.unh.edu (Kristen   Lepa) writes:
>Is it true that in order to run Autodoubler I need to buy Diskdoubler?
>I was planning on buying Autodoubler, but Diskdoubler will double the
>price!  What is the difference between the two?  Is Diskdoubler sufficient
>to claim back disk space?  Thanks for any tips,
>	-Kristen
>
>k_lepa@unhh.unh.edu

No, it is not true that you need DiskDoubler to run AutoDoubler.  It    
certainly wouldn't hurt, but it isn't necessary.

============================================================
Mike Byrne                               byrne@cc.gatech.edu
Grad student in Psychology/Cognitive Science
25947 GA Tech Station, Atlanta, GA 30332

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