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From: haim@csa.technion.ac.il (Haim Roman)
Subject: Re: Mailtool line-editing
Organization: Technion, Israel Inst. Tech., Haifa
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 12:58:12 GMT
Keywords: Mailtool, Text, Extras

In article <1992Sep10.155422.10393@eua.ericsson.se>, euamol@eua.ericsson.se (Mats Larsson) writes:
|> [...]
|> 
|> >thus here is my question.  is it possible for a user to compose an
|> >email and prior to sending it off, invoke a command which will insert
|> >returns when needed?  i have already written that command (called
|> [...]
|> 
|> If you look at the "Text Pane" menu in the compose window
|> you will find an entry called "Extras". This entry reads
|> the /usr/lib/text_extras_menu by default See textedit(1) or
|> DeskSet Reference Guide p. 337 for more information on how
|> to customize the "Extras" menu.
|> 
|> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|> Mats Larsson            | Email: Mats.Larsson@eua.ericsson.se
|> Ellemtel Telecom Labs   | Phone: +46 8 727 3658
|> S-125 25 Alvsjo, SWEDEN | Fax:   +46 8 47 82 76
|> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The default Text Extras Menu comes with an entry called "Format",
which I use to break up & format long lines.

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: jwa@yog-sothoth.dcrt.nih.gov (James W. Adams)
Subject: ConvexOS 10.0 (C-240) patches for XView3.0 ?
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:11:11 GMT


Has anyone patched XView 3.0 to compile under ConvexOS 10.0 on the
C-240?  Are the patch files available for anon ftp?


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From: jbt@lulea.trab.se (J|rgen Bergstedt)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: HELP:Make applications start on different screens on openlook
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:36:45 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Aurorum 6, 951 75 Lulea, Sweden
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 + PL4

I would like to know how to make different applications start on different screens (i.e I want the application-windows to pop up on different screens when I start them)   
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: johndew@watson.ibm.com (John Dewysocki)
Subject: Missing subject header
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 17:40:57 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

This didn't seem to make it out so here goes again:

In article <1992Sep09.153032.13894@watson.ibm.com>, johndew@watson.ibm.com (John Dewysocki) writes:
|> We have upgraded to SunOs 4.1.2 and X11R5, my problem is that
|> I can't start up openwindows any more.  When I try to execute
|> openwin it complains in the following way, then dies:
|> 
|> Couldn't get base SunWindow
|> /usr/openwin/bin/xinit:  Connection refused (errno 61): unable to 
|> connect to X server
|> 
|> I have all the correct env. variables set up correctly, the right
|> path ahead of /usr/bin/X11, and have been able to run 
|> /usr/openwin/bin/xinit by itself (running olwm) w/out a problem.
|> 
|> It seems the problem is with xnews (which complains about the
|> base SunWindow - above).  Unfortunately, I do not have any 
|> X11/NeWS literature to refer to.  Can anyone give me any
|> pointers?  Is this a X11R5/NeWS problem?
|> Thanks,  
|> -- 
|> 
|>      ~    John    ~ 
|> |///////////\\\\\\\\\\\|

Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: mdelaney@informix.com (Unix Dude)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: Setting up olvwm
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:08:44 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In <klnemvv@openlook.Unify.Com> nt05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Nico Tjandra) writes:

>Hi,
>    I am trying to install the binary version of olvwm on a Sparc 2. How
>do I invoke olvwm instead of olwm. I am running openwindows 3. Any help
>would be greatly appreciated.

Edit your .xinitrc file and change the olwm reference to olvwm.  You
may want to save your existing .openwin-init in case you save your new
layout.  

						- Mark
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: grant@darkstar (Grant W. Balkema)
Subject: pcfs
Organization: Biology Dept., Boston College, Chestnut Hill  MA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:17:21 GMT

This use to work, what am I doing wrong? here is the trace...

darkstar# mount -t pcfs /dev/fd0 /pcfs
mount_pcfs: /dev/fd0 on /pcfs type pcfs: Invalid argument
mount: giving up on:
   /pcfs

This is my fstab

darkstar# grep pcfs /etc/fstab
/dev/fd0   /pcfs  pcfs rw,noauto 0 0

the directory is there...

darkstar# grep pcfs /etc/fstab
/dev/fd0   /pcfs  pcfs rw,noauto 0 0

I can format the floppy

fdformat
Press return to start formatting floppy. 
...............................................................................
a dd gives
darkstar# dd if=/dev/rfd0 | head
3.5" floppy cyl 80 alt 0 hd 2 sec

so its there...what is wrong? ...grant@darkstar.bc.edu

Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: gary@vitellocmc.ca (Gary Braida)
Subject: xtv for OpenWindows
Reply-To: gary@scorpio.ic.cmc.ca
Organization: Canadian Microelectronics Corporation
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:43:28 GMT

Does anyone know if there is a version of XTV that will compile and run
under OpenWindows version 2 or 3?


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From: courtney@agcrr.bio.ns.ca (Bob Courtney)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Please remove me from the mailing list
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:42:43 GMT
Distribution: world

Please remove me from the mailing list
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: jdb26@cas.org (Jeff Bailey)
Subject: Any tools that create PostScript Outline fonts?
Reply-To: jdb26@cas.org
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:06:41 GMT

Are any tools available for an OpenWindows environment that allow
you to create Postscript outline fonts for printing and/or online
display?

Background:
We have our own homegrown font with a number of special characters
(ascii, greeks, subscripts, superscripts, etc.).  We used xfed to
create the bitmap font for screen display and the bdftops tool to
create a bitmap postscript font for printing.  The main problem is
the the bitmap postscript font does not stack up in quality to
an outline font.  It would also be nice if we could create a scalable
font for online display under OpenWindows.

Any tips/hints/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Jeff Bailey
Chemical Abstracts Service
Columbus, OH 43221         INTERNET: jdb26@cas.org
(614) 447-3600               BITNET: jdb26@cas.bitnet
From: al@netcom.com (Al)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: installing R5 into OpenWindows, can it be done?
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:36:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I have just installed R5 on my system, and I have few questions about it and
OpenWindows ....
 
Why does OpenWindows need its own copy of X?
 
what do the endings after the libraries mean, such as ...so.4.3  or ...sa.4.1  ? 
Now that I have installed R5, the openwindows X11R4 is out of date--can I
upgrade it?  Is it possible to simply symbolically link it?  There seem
to be many more X11 library files in the openwindows directory than in the
regular lib directory, although many of them are simply dynamically linked
copies of another file that have a slightly different extension.

Does OpenWindows have its own ld.so.cache?  Is there a special ldconfig for 
this?
 
If it is not possible to upgrade the openwindows version of X11, what is
the best way to avoid any conflicts that may result?

al@sunnyside.com
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From: dwe@buc.edu.au (David_Edwards)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
Subject: dos prompt
Summary: no text in dos prompt
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:35:23 GMT
Organization: Computer Centre - Ballarat University College
NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.132.4.20

I have been using windows successfully for some time...
 I upgraded to a 486 and all seemed well....
 I then tried a new VGA card (and several more since) but am having 
problems when going to the dos prompt (in 3.1). This is only a problem
when I am logged on to the network and thus have less memory to deal with.
(I still have over 530Kb)
The problem/s is... no text displays in the dos prompt window or full screen.
  or with another card... text in the windowed dos prompt but not when I 
                          switch to full screen. 
 or with an accelerator VGA card.. will not go into the dos prompt at all..
   windows times out and tells me there's an error.. all other programs work 
   well and do not cause problems.

Does anyone have any clues as to whats going on??
I have tried playing around with the dosprompt pif but cannot improve on the 
above scenario.

Thanks
David
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
From: reissfel@kfk.de (Matthias Reissfelder, IAI/UI)
Subject: who uses Open-UI tool ? 
Reply-To: reissfel@kfk.de
Organization: Kernforschungszentrum Karlsruhe (Germany)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:54:18 GMT

Hello world,
who uses the Open-UI tool of Open Software Assoc. ?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

It would be nice to know :

	1. Who are you ?
	2. What are the characteristics of your project ?
	3. Which hardware and window system(s) do you use ?
	4. Which experiences have you ?
	5. Bugs ... ?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

ad 1. 	In our project XUMA we are three persons. We work in the nuclear research
	centre of Karlsruhe, Germany.	

ad 2.	The expert system XUMA supports the preparation of analysis plans, the
	assesment of chemical analysis results and the evaluation of contaminated 
	sites.
	 Now we are implementing a distributed system. There will be two processes
	exchanging messages over network. The server process is the expert system
	process handling datas. The client process contains the user interface.
	This process receives the description of formulars, menus etc. from server
	process over network.
	He has to handle the dialog and send the results to server. This concept
	reduces the network communication and accelerates the dialog handling.

ad 3.	The Open-UI tool is working on a SUN Sparcstation 2. The window system
	is OSF/MOTIF 1.1, using IXMOTIS from the IXOS company.

ad 4.	We are glad to have this easy to handle tool. We have had before that a
	test installation of a similar product of another comany. There have been
	many problem of software and their care was very bad.

ad 5.	I can send a list of some known bugs if anybody is iterested in.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Matthias Reissfelder                    reissfel@kfk.de
Kernforschungszentrum Karlsruhe GmbH    Phone     : + 49 - 7247/82-5773
IAI/UI					Facsimile : + 49 - 7247/82-5786
PO-Box 3640
7500 Karlsruhe 1
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors,alt.religion.computers
From: jfieber@sophia.smith.edu (John Fieber)
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Organization: Smith College
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:53:45 GMT

In article <oefiyZO00VAt5mSIYY@andrew.cmu.edu> fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu (Faisal Nameer Jawdat) writes:
>NeXT scrollbars are the ONLY good implementation of this I have seen -

Except for one small detail, scrollbars on the Amiga work exactly
like those on the NeXT. (or was that the other way around?)
Difference: clicking in the scrollspace moves the "knob" by the
height (or width) of the knob.  The difference is with the Amiga,
I typically do a click to move a short distance and a drag to
move a long distance.  The NeXT is just the reverse.  Six one,
half a dozen the other I guess.

>click somewhere in the scroll space and the bar moves right there (the
>bar is also sized proportionally to the visible space / scrollable
>space ratio), move the bar by dragging it around, and the workspace

I always took proportional scrollbars for granted until I
recently started working on a Mac.  If you are going to use up
precious screen space with scroll bars, they should at least
convey as much useful information as possible.  In a text editor,
for example, with a proportional scroll bar you can at a quick
glance not only tell where you are in a document, but how big the
document is.  

It really baffles me why other window systems have not adopted
proportional scroll bars.  It is not like they are a new concept
or something---the Amiga has been using them for about 7 years
now.  (And I seriously doubt Commodore would try to sue anybody
else who used them!)

-john


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From: kevinc@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Kevin Crocker)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:12:16 GMT

melby@dove.yk.Fujitsu.CO.JP (John B. Melby) writes:

>>What is "chrome"?
>Chrome is a rust-resistant metal which is often used to plate iron.
>Eventually, the chrome peels off, exposing the rust underneath.

>The term seems to refer to extra baggage of a GUI which is "showing
>its age."  In particular (based on the current discussion):

>(1) Awkward features which are included in a GUI for backwards compatibility
>    with an earlier look-and-feel.

>(2) New features in a long-established GUI which essentially do little but
>    add complexity and clutter.

Let me add another current "interpretation". 

(3) Glitter or gloss used to dress (up) otherwise plain vanilla
visual presentations without adding functionality.
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc
From: akrajn@epas.utoronto.ca (Anita Krajnc)
Subject: Lastest ATI drivers for Windows 3.1
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 02:09:03 GMT

>From: bregel@cs.washington.edu (Aaron Bregel)
>
>                   WINDOWS DRIVER LIBRARY CONTENTS
>                   ===============================
>
>Display                    File to Download   File Last Updated
>-------                    ----------------   -----------------
>*ATI 8514/Ultra                ATI.EXE           25/6/92
>*ATI Graphics Ultra            ATI.EXE           25/6/92
>*ATI Graphics Vantage          ATI.EXE           25/6/92
> ATI VGA Wonder XL             ATI.EXE           25/6/92
> ATI VGA Wonder                ATI.EXE           25/6/92
> ATI VGA Wonder Plus           ATI.EXE           25/6/92

The ATI.EXE self extracting file contains the latest ATI drivers for
Windows 3.1

	Unfortunately, I haven't found these drivers at any of the
"popular" Window's ftp sites.  Does any one know of any ftp sites
which has ATI.EXE (25/6/92)?  If not, could someone upload to
ftp.cica.indiana.edu or garbo.uwasa.fi?

Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.ms
From: gajewski@ug.cs.dal.ca (Andy)
Subject: Modem Problems with Windows 3.1
Summary: Can't correctly use modem software with win 3.1
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:50:28 GMT

I am new to this group, so please bear with me or let me know if this
is not the place for this.

I just bought a 486-50, 8Mb Ram, 130MB HD. I set up dos 5.0, windows 3.1
and Norton Desktop 1.0. Most stuff works fine except for my modem.
I can use the modem software when I am not in windows. If I am in windows,
I get a one charachter delay, so that is no good to me. I tried using other
software such as that telcom for win or Pro Com Plus. PCPlus will not even
work outsede of windows. I got com 4 selected on the board, but win reads it
as com 3. I have a Cardinal 2400 - Fully Haynes Compatible. Most programs
will connect but the writing is messed up, no matter what I change. (I am not
new to computers, and I tried all modes, emulations, etc). Also I noticed
that my mouse does not want to work properly, i.e. it sometimes locks up when
I exit a non-win application. Also I find that that Notron Desktop makes the
start up very slow, about twice as long as the program manager.

The reason I think it has something to do with windows is because it worked
on my old XT, where windows was not avialable.

Thank you for any help!!
ANdrew (gajewski@ug.cs.dal.ca)

Here are my autoexec and config files, maybe there is something there not right

Config.sys

DEVICE=C:\TVGABIO.SYS			%increases the video speed
DEVICE=C:\DOS\himem.sys
DEVICE=C:\DOS\emm386.exe 640 ram
DOS=HIGH,umb
DEVICEHIGH=C:\DOS\RAMDRIVE.SYS 1024 /e
DEVICEHIGH=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE
DEVICE=C:\MOUSE\MOUSE.SYS		%microsoft mouse driver
FILES=50
BUFFERS=50
SWITCHES=/w   				%win did this-don't know what for

Autoexec.bat

@ECHO OFF
PROMPT $p$g
PATH C:\;C:\DOS;C:\MOUSE;c:\windows;c:\windows\norton;C:\util\xtgold
loadhigh c:\windows\smartdrv.exe 2048 2048
loadhigh c:\dos\fastopen.exe c:=130
ep /on					%Norton did this
image					%Norton did this
mkdir d:\temp				%Ram drive
SET TEMP=d:\temp
SET TMP=d:\temp
win
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.ms,comp.windows.news,comp.sys.sgi,comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.ibm.pc
From: craven@egr.msu.edu (Dean Craven)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.ms.programmer,comp.sys.ibm.pc.programmer
Subject: Seeking cross-platform GUI libraries
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:28:09 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering
Originator: craven@eecae.ee.msu.edu


We are looking for a GUI library which supports a number of platforms
with a consistent Application Programming Interface.  Ideally, it would
have libraries for the following environments: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, OS/2,
X-windows, and UNIX (text mode).  We only need a limited subset of typical
GUI functionality, but the API must be the same between platforms.
Does anyone know of any packages which might meet our needs (or at least
come close)?

Please respond via email, since I don't normally subscribe to these groups.
Thanks.

Dean Craven (craven@egr.msu.edu)
From: richi@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Richard Jennings)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 07:59:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Speeding up Win 3.1
Organization: Hewlett-Packard PWD R&D Lab, UK.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc

In comp.windows.misc, Yau Felix Chung writes...

>My config.sys file looks like this:
>
>DEVICE=D:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS
>DEVICE=D:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE RAM 2048 

Do you really need 2MB of EMS?  This is 2MB that can't be used for XMS
(and thus can't be used by Windows and SmartDrive).  What are you
running that needs EMS?

>DEVICEHIGH=D:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV.EXE 512 256

Not a very big cache (512K).  Evan smaller when Windows starts to run
low on memeory (256K).  Try increasing both numbers to to 1024 or even
2048 if what you do is very disk-intensive.  It's a tradeoff.

A general point:  SmartDrive is not a very good cache, relatively
speaking.  A plug here is overdue for Hyperware's HyperDisk
(RR#1 Box 91, Pall Mall TN 38577 USA 1-615-864-6868).  High quality
shareware (so try before you buy) at a very realistic price.  And sh*t
fast, compared with SmartDrive.  Some folks have spoken about
Super-PC-Kwik in similar terms (I've not tried it).  I have, however,
tried Norton's cache and didn't find it better than SmartDrive.  Your
mileage may vary.

>FILES= 25

MS recommend 50 or 60 files these days.  This isn't going to effect your
speed, but tends to help stability (!).

>SHELL=E:\DOS\COMMAND.COM E:\DOS\ /E:200 /P

MS recommends /E:512 as a minimum.  Again, this isn't going to effect
your speed.


Hope this helps,

richi.
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From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors,alt.religion.computers
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 10 Sep 1992 20:44:37 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <1992Sep10.145345.17065@sophia.smith.edu> jfieber@sophia.smith.edu (John Fieber) writes:
>It really baffles me why other window systems have not adopted
>proportional scroll bars.

What do you mean?  Most other GUIs have proportional scroll bars.  Open
Look, Motif, Athena widgets, and CLIM all have proportional scroll bars.  I
haven't used Windows, but since Motif is styled after Windows, I assume it
does as well.  The only GUI I've ever used that doesn't have them is the
Mac.

-- 
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System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

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