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From: tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Michael David Toth)
Subject: Re: Who are T-Bone and Sam?
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:15:23 GMT

In article <C15wID.5AH@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> davisre@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) writes:
>>
>But Criminal Under My Own Hat mixes the two like none of his previous
>albums were able to.  It moves effortlessly from simple acoustic tunes
>to frantic, slightly U2-ish scorchers -- without feeling remotely
>forced.  This, and Trap Door, are my favorites.  (Anyone ever seen
>Trap Door on CD?  I have a scratchy old LP.)
>
Yeah, I love Trap Door too, and it MIGHT actually BE available now as a
CD import.  I found _Behind the Trap Door_ on CD a couple weeks ago,
which has never existed on CD before  (yeah, it's overall one of his
weakest, but IMO "Strange Combination" is one of the best things he's
ever written).  It was issued by the original label, Demon Records
(which a friend tells me is owned by Elvis Costello), which seemed to
lisence a lot of US albums for reissue in the UK.  My copy of _Trap
Door_ is on a Demon subsidiary label (with cover art different from US
version) and I know _Proof Through The Night_ was also issued that way
in the UK.  It seems like _BehindTTD_ would be the LAST T-Bone release
to ever be on CD, so it seems likely that the other two may have been
reissued as well.  My local store (secular) got it through a distributor
called Action and is checking to see if the others are available too.

-Michael
tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu

PS - Andy made a mistake on the last Alpha Band LP title -it's _The
Statue Makers of Hollywood_ not _The Idol With the Golden Head_,
although the cover photo may lend itself to that title;  True Tunes and
Mike Delaney's Rad Rockers Emporium have the Alpha Band compilation CD
_Interviews_ available (UK Import on Demon subsidiary Edsel Records)
with cuts from the three Alpha albums -- they actually DID pick most of
my favorite Alpha songs for it...  
>


From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:04:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Anyone know anything about Cynthia Clawson?  David Maddux?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

In rec.music.christian, cdelaney@stein.u.washington.edu (Chuck Delaney) writes:

> And what about David Maddux?  Who else has he worked with?  Has he done any
> solo work?  I've seen his name on one or two choral cantatas that our church
> has done.  Does he do more writing/arranging that playing?

He worked with First Call on "Undivided" and (?) "Something Takes Over".
From: chem8w@jane.uh.edu (Councilman, David A.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Daniel Amos Re-Issues
Date: 27 Jan 1993 12:03 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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Keywords: Alarma!, Help Help!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Hiya,

I am in desperation.  Recently, going through old tapes, I re-discovered
my dying cassette copies of the Alarma! Chronicles by Daniel Amos as
well as an !!!8-track!!! of Horrendous Disc

I can't sleep, I can't eat.  What Will Happen If This Iconoculture passes
into decomposition??  How will I listen to possibly the best series of
records EVER released if my tapes finally kick the bucket?

Oh, right, my point...Has anyone heard of Alarma! and possibly previous-to-
that LP's being re-released on CD??  

Please e-mail me a response, address to write, phone number for Congressman..

Living with Swirling Eddies,



David
From: xkkreit@brazil.ericsson .se (Erik Reitsma)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Susan Ashton
Date: 27 Jan 93 08:36:41 GMT
Reply-To: xkkreit@brazil.ericsson .se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB

Hello there,

I would like to ask the following on behalf of a friend:

What recordings has Susan Ashton done - or even breathed on
(background vocals etc)? So far I have:

"Wakened by the wind"
"Angels of mercy"
"Coram Deo"
"Remembering the music of Keith Green"

Please list as many printed materials as possible, such as articles, CDs,
trax cassettes, videos, songbooks/songsheets, T-shirts, ...
Does Susan have a "club" I could correspond with?

Thanks in advance,

Beatrice Berndtsson, through xkkreit@brazil.ericsson.se
From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: 77's @ the Powerhouse Jan 29/30
Date: 26 Jan 1993 12:32 CST
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Here's the info I've obtained on the 77's.
Cost: $8
Doors open at 7, concert starts at 7:30 

A number for the Power House that isn't the info line: (817) 267-5000

I also have directions to the Power House if you're coming up I35 (going North)
if anyone needs them.


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From: daniel_i@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What is a Christian?
Date: 29 Jan 93 18:13:57 NZST
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
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In article <C1J4AK.JBL@fc.hp.com>, gates@fc.hp.com (Bill Gates) writes:
> bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au wrote:
> : In article <1993Jan25.124006.165629@dstos3.dsto.gov.au>, bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:
> : > In article <1993Jan19.215757.10320@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>, scoons@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (SM Coons) writes:
> : >> 1.  What is the defintion of a Christian?
> :
> : > One who believes in Jesus Christ, in particular what he claimed about
> : > himself, and the Bible's record of what he did 
> :
> : I meant to add "...and obeys Jesus' teaching"
> 
	How about this for a thought. A Christian is someone who wants to be
best mates with Jesus. 

	This may be making things too simple and unlegalistic for a lot of you
but this is what I find being a Christian means to me. Jesus does not ask us to
do anything that he has not already done for us. 

Even the Great commissioning commands us to go and share his love. Well not so
simply but that is the general jist of the idea.


	Half the problems the church has got into is because we cannot accept
the fact that being a Christian is so simple.
> 
> Hmmmm.   Isn't this the definition of an OBEDIENT Christian?  In other words,
> isn't
> 

	Show me an obedient Christian according to the worlds and the churchs
standards and I'll show you a saint. Again it all comes down to what our
definition of a Christian is. For me it is easier trying to be a friend than it
is trying to life up to exepectations of Theologians.

>    : > One who believes in Jesus Christ, in particular what he claimed about
>    : > himself
> 
> sufficient?  I realize one's love for Christ is demonstrated by obedience to
> Jesus' commands, but God's Grace seems to "allow for" disobedience without
> the loss of salvation (note that I'm not advocating "license to sin" here).

	Again who would willing go and Backstab such a friend.

> Scripture states that a verbal confession that Jesus is Lord and a
> belief in one's heart that God raised Jesus from the dead are sufficient to
> be saved.  No mention of obedience to a set of commands.
> 

Well that is about it for me.  If you wish to flame anything I have said EMail
me.

But for intelligent rebuttal this looks like an interesting topic

God Bless you all.

Ian Daniel 
Daniel_i@KOSMOS.WCC.GOV.NZ
From: jmstreck@carson.u.washington.edu (John Streck)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Mike Warnke News????
Date: 28 Jan 1993 19:27:46 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
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mmaccorm@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Mike Mac Cormack) writes:

>Has anyone heard any news about Mike Warnke?  My friend wrote 
>Mike and he received a letter back from Mike stating that his story is 
>true and that he intends to release a statement which proves it, but I 
>haven't heard anything.

Cornerstone Magazine Vol 21 Issue 99 has three pieces dealing with the Warnke
debate: an article describing the state of events since the original
expose was run, a response by Mike Warnke, and a response to the response
by Tim Landis. While I suggest people read the articles themselves before
making up their minds, I will offer the following summaries:

The article states that Mike is still doing concerts (though to smaller
audiences) while Word has suspended sales of his tapes and videos.

Mike's response makes three claims: C'stone failed to interview his
ex-wife Sue who could corraborate his story; C'stone waited until the last
minute to contact him, was inflexible in trying to arrange an
interview, and wouldn't allow him editorial supervision; and that his story
is just as described in his book.

Landis's response to the response revolves around two issues: Warnke never
responds to the specific charges nor offers any proof for his claims.

As Mark Heard might have said...

I fix the blame on you, must be genetic
You smear the blame on me like cheap cosmetics
We pass the blame until we look pathetic

There's just no other word for all this--regardless of who's right 
and who's wrong--pathetic.

john streck
jmstreck@u.washington.edu
From: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Scott Aaron)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christian Dancing & Clubs
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:27:48 GMT
Reply-To: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

In article <1993Jan25.154549.3639@ll.mit.edu>, pauls@ll.mit.edu (Richard Pauls) writes:
>In article <m0nFTbB-0000ZaC@juts.ccc.amdahl.com> rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com writes:
>
>>I really don't
>>understand this enormous need to control that so many pastors and Church
>>denominations have. 
>
>>Does Loving your neighbor involve "controlling your neighbor or forcing your
>>neighbor to adhere to you 'traditions'?"  I am so amazed.
>
>Sadly, very sadly, this is all to common in Christian circles.  It is a
>sickness.  I have been hurt by it, so has my wife, and so have many friends
>I know.  

An example (true story) to show the dangerous and hurtful effects of this
kind of control.  A friend of mine was a Christian and had divorced her
husband a few years ago because he was a physically abusive alcoholic.  The
pastor of her church put a great deal of pressure on her to remarry the guy
which she eventually did (divorce is a sin so you can't do that).  Her husband 
started beating her again and they seperated (this is last summer now).  The 
pastor started going to her house a few times a week telling her how sinful 
she was to seperate (it was her fault anyway, according to him) and that she 
needed to take her husband back (the fact  that her husband was threatening
her life daily during the seperation was not important).  She again gave in
and had to be taken to the emergency room 2 months later because she had
been beaten.  This is a mainstream, conservative Christian church, not some
cult.  They were so worried about her divorcing her husband that they would
allow her to die rather than commit such an awful sin.  When Christian leaders
equate their opinions with those of God and excercise their power to get others
to submit to their beliefs, people suffer.  Pastors are there to be leaders
and guides, not dictators.

  -- Scott @Brandeis

	"But God demonstrates His	"I tell you that in the same way,
	 own love for us, in that	 there will be more joy in heaven
	 while we were yet sinners,	 over one sinner who repents, than
	 Christ died for us."		 over ninety-nine righteous persons
					 who need no repentance." 
		-- Romans 5:8 [NASB]		-- Luke 15:7 [NASB]
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: hunsts@cary103.its.rpi.edu (*sigh*)
Subject: Re: CHRISTIANS ARE BEING DUPED!
Reply-To: hunsts@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:11:19 GMT

Whoa!! Sounds like this guy/gal is a little brainwashed..
I find it quite interesting that such a 'faulty' religion such as 
Christianity, has withstood so many attacks from others such as this person.
*smile* and now *THEY* have got the answer, what we have all been waiting 
for! Step right up and ascribe to what *I* have to say... *obvious sarcasm*
*thinking of many nasty things to say to cut down this person, but will refrain*

               Thirdly, the primary function of each Master is to tune 
          His Initiates into the "AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM" or "SOUND 
          CURRENT", (referred to as "THE WORD" in John 1:1-5, and as 
          "The River of Life" in Revelation 22:1)
 
Audible Life Stream=River of Life??? not in my book...

               One such perfect Master alive today is an American, Sri 
          Harold Klemp, the Living "Eck" Master or "Mahanta" for the 
          "Eckankar" organization, now headquartered in Minneapolis, 
          (P.O. Box 27300;  zip 55427). 

               One of the classic books on this subject is "THE PATH OF 
          THE MASTERS" (Radha Soami Books, P.O. Box 242, Gardena, CA  
          90247), written in 1939 by Dr. Julian Johnson, a theologian 
          obtained thru inter-library loan.  The book "ECKANKAR--THE 
          KEY TO SECRET WORLDS", by Sri Paul Twitchell, is ANOTHER 
          classic. 

               It is likely that ESP, telepathy, astrological 
          influences, radionic effects, biological transmutations [See 
          the 1972 book with that title.], and other phenomena without 

Does this person REALLY believe this stuff or is this just an add for some books??? *sorry, sorry, but I just HAD too *grin*

IMHO, this all sound very much like New Age, very much like a misplaced soul, very much like someone who needs Jesus.....  I am sorry but the only one being decieved here is Mr. Robert McElwaine, please pray for him...


				In HIM for He is ALL things...
				Scott Hunstad
				hunsts@rpi.edu
From: pauls@ll.mit.edu (Richard Pauls)
Subject: Re: Dancing with commitment & dating & sex
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 15:12:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.205409.18791@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

>..................................  I'd rather stand with someone
>in his or her guilt than stand over and against them.  And I just 
>wish that people in the church had the freedom to discuss these
>issues openly and honestly instead of being cowed by fear or 
>lulled into a false apathy.  That's all. 

Andrew, your honesty is refreshing.  It takes a lot more guts to admit your
own faults than it does to point out someone else's.  This is an example for
me.
--Rich
From: christen@spk.hp.com (Tim Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: TANGENTS Where should they be posted???
Summary: Where should non-music oriented posts go.
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:23:57 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
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There have been a number of TANGENTS lately in the r.m.c group which
seem to have little relevence to music.  They do have a LOT of relevence
to the Christian life.  I want to thank everyone for tolerating these
TANGENTS as I think they have been very beneficial and edifying.

BUT!!!!!!!!!!

Is there a more appropriate notes group where these TANGENTial streams
should be carried on seperate from r.m.c.?

What other Christian discussion notes groups are there.  I would be
interested to sample them for quality at least.


Thanks,

Tim
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Phil.Powell@launchpad.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: SOAE 1/21/93
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:34:36 GMT


When I find out, you'll be the first to misinterpret! ;-)

(re: The Cave, Manassas, VA)

Phil

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From: jmstreck@carson.u.washington.edu (John Streck)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Reincarnated Geeks??
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:55:53 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
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00sanaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:

>Does anyone know the title of the Chagall Guevara release??

It would seem that Taylor & Co. either a) think the name of the band is
really clever or b) spent all their creative energy on said name (a scary
thought) because the name of Chagall Guevara's album is _Chagall Guevara_.

john streck
jmstreck@u.washington.edu


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: riipinen@dxcern.cern.ch (Petri Juhani Riipinen)
Subject: Anybody heard of Phil Driscoll?
Organization: CERN European Laboratory for Particle Physics
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:42:34 GMT

Shalom!

I bought an interesting looking cassette couple of weeks ago. I don't
remember the name of the tape but the artist was Phil Driscoll. I didn't like
it very much at first, but then it sort of started catching on...:)

Anyone else listening to this guy? Anybody seen his concerts?

Marana tha!,
	   - Petri -
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From: isc30366@nusunix1.nus.sg (HO TUCK CHIUN)
Subject: Re: Need some Christian "RAVE" muzik, PLEEZ!
Organization: National University of Singapore
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:47:00 GMT

00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu wrote:
: Heyo.  I need to find Christian RAVE muzik.  I'm still listening to the Shamen
: and Jesus Jones and B.A.D. II and I need some CHRISTIAN inspiration!

   Get Invincible by Jyradelix on the Myx label.  I can't recommend it
enough.. It's still playing even though I've heard it a few hundred
times since I got it 2 weeks ago...  It's pretty Shamenish, but more
towards T-99, 2 unlimited and Quadraphonia.

: HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLP!
: 
: Bruce
: -- 
: .sig?  We don' need no steenkin' .sig!
:    "What's the Surgeon General gotta say? Don' smoke mor'n 50 fags a day"
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: Don't look at me in that tone of voice!  BSU disclaims me, and I disclaim them.

Rodney Ho

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From: cpage@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Carter C Page)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Dancing with commitment & dating & sex
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:43:20 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan26.182316.10307@gtech.com> caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White) writes:

In reference to the church's position on fornication:

>On a historical note, the church actually has a much more interesting,
>and difficult, position to work from now. [. . .]
>It is important for the church to look at the historical context of 
>these rules and extrapolate both actual intent (no, I'm not saying
>that the intent wasn't what it appears to be; I just want to see 
>something more than blind acceptance and anecdotal proof) and a 
>firm set of logical justifications.

	I can understand having some question of whether the Bible is being 
specific to a sub-culture when looking at certain parts of the epistles:
"every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying, disgraces
her head; . . ."  (I Cor 11:5a).  Certain scripture like that is almost 
certainly specific to the culture (only prostitues didn't wear veils on their 
heads in first century Corinth).  Sexual immorality, though, is not discussed 
in just some isolated verse in one of Paul's letters, but throughout the 
entire Bible.  The scripture says that it is a sin to fornicate not out of 
concern for any health problems that existed in the society but because it 
mocks the sacrament of marriage.  Genesis 2:24, which I'm sure has come up 
plenty of times in this thread, says:  "For this cause a man shall leave his
father and his mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and they shall become one
flesh." (NAS)  _NOT_  "For this cause a man shall cleave to a dozen girls who
he fell in love with in high school and college, and shall cleave to one or
more wives during the span of his days."
	A couple of points:  1)  If health reasons alone had led the prophets 
to speak out against sexual immorality, I would still consider such concern 
pretty applicable today under the shadow of AIDS.  
	2)  Sex is a sin that is not treated lightly in the Bible.  
Fornication is a sin against God, your body, your partner, your future spouse, 
and your partner's future spouse.  It is to be treated as a danger to your
very soul: "But for the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, 
*the sexually immoral*, . . . --their place is in the fiery lake of burning 
sulphur.  This is the second death." (Rev 21:8, NIV).

I know that understanding right and wrong is not something we can do through
debates or with the guidance of pure logic.  It is given to us by the Spirit
(I Cor 2:12).  Therefore, I suggest that the best way of approaching any 
moral question such as this is, as my friend Titi says, "just PRAY."



				-Carter Page
				 The Carpenter's Apprentice
				 cpage@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
From: Michael Roman <mrr1@cornell.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Trying to find a recording of this song...
Date: 22 Jan 1993 15:01:17 GMT
Organization: Cornell University
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I've trying to find a recording of the song with the following fragment:

By the waters, the waters of Babylon,
We laid down and wept, and wept for thee, Zion.
We remember, we remember, we remember thee, Zion.

I heard it in embedded in another song by Manfred Mann and the Earth Band.

Mike Roman
mrr1@cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jmrg9881@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid)
Subject: Re: Humper Bumper Bashmobile, or why does this record exist?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:50:09 GMT

> "Jesus in the sky with diamonds!" "Jesus in the sky with diamonds!"

Omigosh!  I'm dying!  I feel edified already!

-- 
Jon Reid    j-reid@uiuc.edu    GEnie: THE.REIDS
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose."
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