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From: tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller)
Subject: Re: ACLU/AJC Menorah Police?
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
	<1992Dec22.185759.19831@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
	<1992Dec22.230702.10838@netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:17:11 GMT

On Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:07:02 GMT, strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) said:

D> Marc Colten says Chabad got permission to put up a Menorah, and
D> now the KKK wants to put up a cross.

	Correction: *Put* (past tense) up a cross.

	The KKK got themselves a permit and put an 8-foot tall white
cross with a verse from John (I think) in the same square that the
menorah was placed.

	In yesterday's paper, there was a photo of someone standing on
the cross, which had been knocked down.  It seems someone earlier in the
day had attempted to tear down the cross and was arrested for disorderly
conduct.  Later, someone knocked it over, and other passerby broke it.
The police cleared it away as a hazard (nails and things sticking out.)

	The authorities say that they still have a permit to place
another cross there should they choose.  The KKK has not commented about
their intentions.

	As for the menorah being not a religious symbol but an
historical commemoration, the point is moot.  It is recognized not as
statuary but as a part of a religious service and holiday, and regarded
as a religious symbol.

-- Cerebus <tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
"I liked living in Cinci.  I'm sorry to see it going downhill."
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From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: XMAS
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:15:51 GMT

In article <105582@bu.edu> simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov) writes:

>In article <1992Dec16.214033.13587@lugb.latrobe.edu.au>
EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David) writes:

>>earlier religion would be lost. Ever wonder why Joshua X. is alway depicted
>>with a halo around his head? It represents the Sun. He is the Sun god portrayed
>>in human form!

>I always thought it is in place of the kipa,
>maybe even kipa sruga with big holes in it

The ancient Egyptians had safety pins but the technology was lost until
about 100-200 years ago.  Similarly, the ancients were expert Frisbee
players but the game was lost until the 1950s or '60s. All that
remained was the historical memory of one of the most difficult and
dangerous maneuvers, the "head tap." Because everyone knew how tricky
it was, midieval artists and philosophers assumed that only the
leaders, religious ones, at that, could safely survive it.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: drukier@cast0.ast.cam.ac.uk (Gordon Drukier)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Ascii Chanukah symbols?
Date: 30 Dec 92 10:41:04 GMT
Organization: Institute of Astronomy, Cambridge

In article <cF4kwB4w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker) writes:
>eva@Apocalypse.CAD.UCLA.EDU (Eva) writes:
>
>> Does anyone have any ascii pictures of a dreidle or a chanukia?
>> (If you send one of latkes I might be tempted to put sour cream on it and
>>  take a bite out of the screen)
>----
>Yuch!  Does anyone else eat latkes with sour cream?  I thought the only 
>way to eat them was with apple sauce.

I've now been in England through one Chanucah* and discovered to my 
amazement that here they eat their latkes plain!! No apple sauce,
no sour cream, maybe some salt and that's it.  Now is this a peculiarity
of my admittedly small sample size, or is this a wide spread custom
amongst our brethren resident in these parts?

*That's the way they spell it here. Either that, or they leave off the
final "h".  Anyone for a side-thread to see how many variant spellings we
can come up with? Let's see...

Chanucah
Chanukah
Hannukah
Chanuka


-- 
Gordon                             Institute of Astronomy
drukier@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk         University of Cambridge
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: (Jewish) Kabbalistic Meditation ?
Date: 4 Jan 93 01:39:00 GMT
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC

Amanda Walker writes:

>This is good; there's also a more recent book by him that goes into
>some more historical detail, and has excerpts (in English translation)
>from The Greater Hekhalot, the works of Abraham Abulafia, Gates of
>Light, Gates of Holiness, and Gates of the Holy Spirit.  Here's the
>info:

For a simpler presentation see Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan's "Innerspace"
(Moznaim Publishing, 1990, Brooklyn, New York).  The first part of the
book is titled "Introduction to Kabbalah."  The second part is called
"Meditation and Prophecy."  Highly recommended!

-- 
Len Moskowitz
moskowit@panix.com
From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: All Arabs are guilty
Date: 29 Dec 92 00:44:17 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Albany

eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>Zionist settlers were routinely equipped and trained in the use of
>arms.  With good reason, as there were often violent disagreements
>with the locals.

The Arabs in Palestine engaged in killing members of long-term Jewish
communities as well, in places like Hebron and East Jerusalem.

These places had Jewish communities for thousands of years straight,
until their Jews were kicked out in 1948. But massacres occurred there
in the '20's and '30's for no other reason than hatred of Jews.

--Mark
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From: norm@helix.nih.gov (Norman Friedman)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <norm@helix.nih.gov (Norman Friedman)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 21:45:45 GMT

Doesn't it seem remarkable that since the deportations (should be permanent 
expulsions) there has not been a reported case of a murder or kidnapping of an
Israeli?  THANK HASHEM.  If expelling 415 does this wonderful thing, maybe
expelling another 500 would bring about a "peace". I feel that we should
give back 100 to 1 for ANY ATTEMPT AT VIOLENCE, BE IT STONE THROWING OR ANY-
THING ELSE.  Talk if they want to talk but treat volence with a stern hand
and a stick.  Israel is the only place where violence is treated with a kiss on
the hand.  It is good that that has stopped.
My thoughts..
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: *** PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS CROSS-CULTURAL SURVEY!!! ***
Organization: People's Front of Judea
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:31:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.135902.1@bcvms.bc.edu> faype@bcvms.bc.edu writes:
>****************************************************************
>*                  REQUEST FOR SURVEY PARTICIPANTS             *
>*         CROSS-CULTURAL STUDY ON SURVIVORS OF SEXUAL ABUSE    *
>*                BOSTON COLLEGE SCHOOL OF SOCIAL WORK          *
>****************************************************************
>
>*********************  I NEED YOUR HELP !!!!! ******************

Shouldn't this have been posted to alt.help.me.with.my.homework?
-- 
Andrew Solovay    
                "I know that, in America and under capitalism,
                 I am the freest woman in history."
                                --- Camille Paglia
From: aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Holiday wishes for us
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:55:55 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew U. of Jerusalem, Computer Science Dep.
NNTP-Posting-Host: irs01.cs.huji.ac.il

In article <1992Dec17.225023.16087@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
|> Rita Rudner's line is:
|> 
|>   I won't celebrate Chanukah until we learn how to spell it.
|> --

CHAIT - NUN - KAF - HAE.

___. ___.   _. .__.
   |  . |    | |  |
|  | ___| ___| |  | 
      +    .    --
            .
             .
Note - no VAV (unless you omit the NIKUD)
-- 

-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--*-*-*-*-*-*-*- 
/ Hillel P. Applebaum     |> ISRAEL - where all		Better    the   Golan 
/ Jerusalem,   Israel     |  jews should live !		then peace without it.
-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--*-*-*-*-*-*-*- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Re: ACLU/AJC Menorah Police?
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:22:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.165959.27855@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (
samuel.saal) writes:

>I still don't understand.  Are you calling Chabad vulgar because their
>menorot or the loudspeakers don't meet you aesthetic standards?  Are
>you calling it vulgar because others don't understand Chabad's
>intentions?  Are you calling it vulgar because you don't gain any
>joyousness from their attempts to instill it? Or am I completely
>missing the point?

You are.  Vulgar as I see it has little or nothing to do with esthetics.
Nor does it have anything to do with my joyous/non-joyous response.
The second option contains a partial kernel of what I meant.  But: at
issue is not what _others_ think or understand, but a failure on the
part of the actors themselves to understand what they're about.

Vulgarity is a case of cultural misappropriation.  There's a large ad
by Bloomingdale's in today's NYT with the slogan: "Grunge is good".  You
can imagine the rest.  I mention this to stress that vulgarity, despite
its etymological meanings, works in either direction.  It's not just
when Jews ape higher-status people whose approval or acceptance they
seek, but the other way around.  The decline of the bagel may be a
case in point.

I used the word "ape" deliberately.  Why not "emulate"?  Because aping,
we think, involves a mindless imitation of certain patterns without
understanding the role they play.

Actually, I think "ape" is too strong a word because I can think of
many cases where a certain amount, even a lot, of understanding is
present, but not enough to prevent the knock-off from being a dud.
The best example I can think of at the moment is the English novelist
Evelyn Waugh who thoroughly identified with the aristocracy and devoted
a good deal of his malicious talent at satirizing social-climbers.
Turns out that the aristocrats regarded _him_ as one, denied that he
really knew what the aristocratic world was about, and called him..
vulgar.

That's as far as I can go today.  As always, I welcome comments,
amplifications, corrections, etc.

Norman Miller




Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Dr Isaac Balbin)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute
Date:  3 Jan 93 23:43:33 GMT

eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

>Not quite.  A court of law determined that the deportations could go
>forward, but that the government would have to provide grounds for
>such deportations within a specified time.  A strange way to deport
>someone, I think, to first do it and then post facto to justify it.
QED nonetheless. The deportations were legally ratified.

>>   >Now were the Palestinian deportees criminally prosecuted at all?  Nope.
>>   >They were punished without a trial, and in a manner that violates
>>   >international law.
>>   Debateable. 

>If that is the extent of your debate, you won't get very far.
Area under martial law? Did you factor that into your equation.
Date: Wednesday, 30 December 1992 12:11:16 MST
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.15R
From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
Subject: Re: Latkes
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Distribution: world

In <1992Dec30.135747.6499@linus.mitre.org>, jclander@symphony.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander)  wrote:
# 
# In article <cF4kwB4w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker) writes:
# |> Yuch!  Does anyone else eat latkes with sour cream?  I thought the only 
# |> way to eat them was with apple sauce.
# 
# My family eats them with apple sauce, except for my stepfather, who prefers sour
# cream.  My mother describes him as being from New York (we're all from
# Boston).  He isn't, but then he isn't Jewish either. 
# But it may indicate that Jews from New York have been
# known to serve sour cream with latkes. (They eat funny bagels, too: soft and
# fat.  I like thin, hard ones.)
# 
# It may depend on what you're used to serving latkes with.  We generally have
# them with meat meals, and so do not serve sour cream.  (This is, for my
# mother, a cultural survival.  She doesn't keep a kosher home, nor do I,
# but dairy and meat together just taste wrong to us.  On the other hand,
# I can eat hard cheeses [like cheddar] with meat without any problem.)

  First night I was at an affair with latkes, applesauce, sour cream,
  and (get this!) salsa and guacamole.  I had to try it...

  Now, how many of you are daring enough to try it?  How many (Warren!)
  can find a halachic objection to mixing hard-core Ashkenazic latkes
  with trans-Sephardic goo?

--- D. C. Sessions                            Speaking for myself ---
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From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann)
Subject: Re: The Jewish nose myth
Organization: Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:41:43 GMT

saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes: >
EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David) writes: >>
>
>>I already posted this on Oct 14, 1992 but the nose thread seems to have come 
>>up again in a big way so here is a rehash of what I posted before. This may be
>>of help.
>
>Instead of "nose thread," shouldn't that be "nose hair"?

I smell a flamefight coming.  Better keep your nose out of this.


-- 
Maddi Hausmann                madhaus@netcom.com
Humorist, Satirist, Tech Writer.  Take your pick.

Centigram Communications Corp, San Jose California  408/428-3553
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Kahane's philosophy
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 13:06:22 GMT

In article <R75iwB3w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker) writes:

# makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
 
# > In article <3108@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
 
# > # I believe that I understand David Makowsky to mean that there is
# > # nothing wrong with Binyamin Kahane saying

# > #  "As far as I'm concerned, kill any Arab who stands in our way, in the
# > #  most humame manner possible, causing the least suffering."

# > 	Well, he has controled himself.  As to counseling, perhaps you are
# > correct.  Perhpas not. But either way, there is nothing wrong with
# > what he said.

# Are you saying that there is nothing wrong with the idea of killing 
# people you are opposed to or that there is nothing wrong with expressing 
# your views, even if they are unpopular because the free marketplace of 
# ideas must remain free for all ideas?

	Maybe I should have explicitly used the qualifier I had used
previously after all.

	Binyamin's father was assasinated by an Arab in a terrorist
attack.  The perpetrator was exonerated in a New York courtroom (even
the judge said the jury was full of it).

	These statements came on the second anniversery of his fathers's
murder.  Given Binyamin's emotional state, there is nothing wrong with
expressing those views as long as he does not try to carry them out.
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
From: bri@panix.com (Brian Shanblatt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish Singers
Date: 31 Dec 92 15:03:07 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Dec31.002438.978@speedy.aero.org> nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel) writes:
>
>On a more highbrow note, I just learned the other day that Bizet (the
>It is rather astonishing how many Jews have been involved in the American
>musical theatre.  Aside from the most obvious (Berlin, the Gershwins,
>Bernstein, Hammerstein), just offhand I can think of:
>Jule Styne
>Bob Merrill (actually, I'm not positive about this one)
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

you are correct.  robert merrill is jewish. like jan peerce and richard
tucker, he started as a hazzan, and found his way to the opera!

I have a recording of La Boehme, with merrill and tucker! glorious!

Miriam Nadel? any relation to Abraham Nadel?



-- 
bri@panix.com
"How to learn how to sing, Rule #1: There is always tomorrow..." 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923)
Subject: Re: Chanuka sa-mei-ach?
Organization: NetCom -- OnLine Communication Services
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:53:19 GMT

In article <1h7ou0INNe49@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.180943.29943@netcom.com> horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec22.161013.10974@linus.mitre.org> jls@mbunix.mitre.org (Segal) writes:
>>>Assuming that sa-mei-ach is being used as a stative verb, we note that
>>>Chanuka is a feminine noun!!
>>>
>>>Chanuka Sameiach can't be correct!! -- maybe se-mei-cha!
>>
>>Well, it's like this -- the "correct" greeting is `Chag Channukah Sameach',
>>in which `Channukah' is used as an adjective modifying `chag' (which `chag'?
>>`Channukah'). Thus, `sameach' is in gender-agreement with the subject,
>>`chag'.
>
>Good points raised, and shame on me for not noticing the gender
>problem earlier (there is a possible explanation for using a
>construction that appears to confuse gender, but it would be
>a cop-out, so I'll skip it). But saying "Hag Hannukah sameiah"
>doesn't do it for me because it still puts the emphasis on
>the "dedication" part of the holiday. "Hag urim sameiah", on 
>the other hand, puts the emphasis on the part of the holiday
>which many of really enjoy--the Hannukiah.

Is this anything like "putting the `X' back in Xmas"? :-)

But seriously -- you mention "dedication", and I understand your reference
to `hannukat habayit'. On the other hand, Hannukah is also a contraction
(`hannu' = rested, `kah' = 25 [of Kislev]), as well as an acronym which
gives the halacha for lighting the candles (`het' = 8, `nun' = nayrot,
`vav' = and, `kaf hay' = [halacha] like [Bet] Hillel) [that is, we light
one candle the first night, two the second, etc.]

Would "Chag HaShemen Sameyach" be acceptable, or should we save it for
alt.backrubs?


Jonathan B. Horen       | A man should not strive to eliminate his complexes,
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Tel: (408) 736-3923     | legitimately what directs his conduct in the world.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
Subject: Re: Mezuzah question
Originator: news@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:07:56 GMT

In article <92359.002724PC2370A@auvm.american.edu> PC2370A@auvm.american.edu (Peter M. Cohen) writes:
>Greetings:
>
>I have several questions regarding the installation of mezuzot on the doorways
>of my new house.  I have been married now for 6 years. The first home my wife
>and I moved into already had a mezuzah on the doorway.  We recently bought a
>new house and I must put up a new mezuzah.  My parents gave us one so Im
>already to go, but I do have some questions:
>
>     1. Is there a B'rucha for putting up mezuzot ?
>     2. Should I ask a Rabbi to put them up ?
>     3. I notice that most homes have the mezuzah placed on the right
>        doorway, slightly tilted at the top towards the house, what
>        is the significance of this ?
>
>I realize I could ask my Rabbi these questions but I thought it would be more
>interesting to see the response I get from this newsgroup.  Please either mail
>your responses to me or post them on here.  There might be others with the same
>questions...
>
>Peter Cohen
>ps  Happy Chanukah !

Since most of the questions have already been answered there is
just one point that I would like to emphasize.  That is that
EVERY door on the house that is considered "living quarters"
(that is excepting the bathroom and utility or laundry room) must
have a (kosher) mezuzah.

The definition of "doorpost is also not just the standard doors.
Any location with a post on the right and a protruding beam (or
even a change in ceiling height) can be considered a "doorpost
and require a mezuzah.  An example of this can be a stairwell or
a separation within a room (we have both these cases).  We have
one case where the same post is actually the "entrance" to two
different "rooms".  In this case only one mezuzah is required.

That is why we had a knowledgeable (in the halachos of mezuzah)
rabbi check the doubtful cases in our home first.

Also, check the case you were given and make sure that the
mezuzah inside is kosher.  Every so often a scandal will arise
with beautiful casers being sold with nonkosher (sometimes even
machine printed on paper) mezuzahs inside.  Sometimes also it is
just the case that is being purchased and not the mezuzah.

Again make sure that it is easy to open and remove the mezuzah
for checking.  Sometimes, when you paint the house, the paint can
get inside and ruin the mezuzah.

As posted, the mezuzah goes on the right as you enter the room.
However, which is the "right" on an interior room (not from a hall)?
Check with your rabbi and base it on your main usage.

-- 
____________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: schwartz@nynexst.com (Steven Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Assembly line
Originator: schwartz@baba
Reply-To: schwartz@nynexst.com
Organization: Expert Systems Lab., NYNEX Sci. and Tech., White Plains NY
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 17:41:04 GMT


Lest we forget the apocryphal story of the mitzvah tank that parked in
front of Yeshiva University on Succot, then sat empty for hours, 
for incomprehensible reasons.  :-)

Finally, one guy went in.  He allowed the tank commander to explain
the lulav and etrog, and show him how to hold them.  Then he made 
the bracha:

   "Baruch atah hashem, elokeinu melech ha'olam, borei p'ree ha'etz."

And before they could react, he took a big bite of the etrog.

[ Explanation:  Rather than pronounce the blessing for 
  lifting the lulav, the wiseguy said the blessing for eating fruit. ]
-- 
Steven H. Schwartz		Expert Systems Laboratory
schwartz@nynexst.com		NYNEX Science and Technology Center
PROFS: SCHWARTZ@UNIX		500 Westchester Avenue
914-644-2960			White Plains NY 10604
From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: (Jewish) Kabbalistic Meditation ?
Date: 29 Dec 92 23:04:10 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

Sam Sall writes:

>In article <1992Dec26.231413.1001@dragon.com> cms@dragon.com (Spawn of
>a Jewish Carpenter (Cindy Smith)) writes:
>
>> Traditionally, one isn't supposed to study the Zohar until one is 40 
>>years old and married.  This probably has to do with the sexual 
>>imagery in the Zohar as well as dangers from sitrah achra to the 
>>uniniated.  The potential for abuse is high.  Although not explicitly 
>>stated, one is probably also supposed to be a male.  Some of the Zohar 
>>is misogynistic.
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>And calling it "misognystic" is a clear example of why goofy Catholics
>(Spawn of a Jewish Carpenter (Cindy Smith)) ought not attempt to study it.

And the restriction on the study of Zohar (along with the Pardes
Rimonim, and Shomer Emunim) is to age 30, not 40.  Other texts are
restricted to age 40 and above.

-- 
Len Moskowitz
moskowit@panix.com