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From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: New to the Moto List
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:26:22 GMT
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office

In article <1992Dec15.063640.13232@Virginia.EDU>, tjr2g@Virginia.EDU ("!!! Cosmic Charlie") writes:
|> Hi everyone.  My name is Tim Richter and I am new to this net
|> and haven't used one before.  I just have a question.  What is
|> DoD?  What does it stand for if it is a Abbreviation?  Thanks


My Turn!  My Turn!!

"We could tell you, but we'd have to kill you" (tm)

...oh, and Welcome to wreck.motorcycles.

---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#538
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
  Don't bother arguing with drunks or zealots
they're not listening to anyone but themselves.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Some BMW questions ...
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:02:23 GMT

In article <Bz7H8D.23oE@austin.ibm.com> bade@wombat.austin.ibm.com writes:
>As a good friend told me a running BMW (loose definition of running) no matter
>how old will be worth at least $1500.

Wow.  I guess my old R65 has held value better than I thought.

>Why are you particularly interested in a R60/6?,  
>You would probably have an easire time finding a later model R65 

But for some reason R65 parts seem to be more expensive and/or harder to
come by than /5 and /6 parts.  I'm not sure why and this is just an
informal estimate, but I suspect it has something to do with more
interchangeability among non-R65 bikes and consequent higher sales 
volume for a given part.

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65   BMWMOA #36829   DoD #0969   NRA #CDF6091M


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: Terry.Baldridge@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Baldridge)
Subject: Re: Dead battery
Keywords: battery alternator 
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:32:26 GMT

Did you happen to drop the bike on its right side?  If so then you may
have a bad alternator rotor (I believe that is the right term).  It 
seems that if these bikes are dropped on the right side, the rotor will
turn a fraction in the housing and next time it is started, bam-ola
gran-ola it is instant toast.  It cost about a $186.45 as of a year   
ago to get this fixed.  I had the joy of buying a bike with such a
problem.

terry
--
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                BMW: The Ultimate RIDING Machine

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   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: crowder@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mark Crowder)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:35:47 GMT

In article <1ginpmINNhns@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 724126692@morpheus, djm@morpheus.wustl.edu (David Maconochie) writes:
>>
>>Why do you think smoking got banned from public places? Not because it was
>>unpleasant to a small minority to sniff other peoples' smoke, but because of
>>the enormous cost to society of health care for millions  of respiratory
>>cripples.
>
>I think that is a very interesting point, and quite germane to the
>discussion.
>
>I disagree that health care costs was the primary force behind bans on
>smoking in public places (everywhere but NC, the tobbacco capital of
>the universe).  I believe it was a combination of the issues of posing
>a health risk to those not choosing to smoke, and the nuisance factor.

  Bingo!  At least this is why *I* was in favor of a smoking ban
in public buildings.  I *must* go to the grocery store.  I *must*
go to the post office.  I can be required to appear in various
state, local, county and federal government buildings.  Reasonable
precautions against known health risks should be required in these
places.   
  However, I was/am against legislation requiring restaurants to 
provide non-smoking areas.  Going to a restaurant is a choice, and
this is just one criteria in that choice.  Yep, the parallels to helmet
laws are apparent.  I don't like cigarettes, but they *are* legal.
>
 [good stuff about incongruities between helmet & smoking regs deleted]

>I find it interesting that most people stand by the fact that it is a
>"personal decision" whether or not to smoke, but have no compunction
>about forcing all motorcyclists to dress according to their arbitrary
>rules.

  I guess I haven't noticed this anomaly.  I guess it's time for 
one of my informal office polls.

Mark Crowder  "I'm sorry my karma ran over your dogma"  crowder@spdc.ti.com 
Dallas, Tx                    88 BMW R100RS         Texas Instruments, Inc.
"If at first you don't succeed, try again.  Then quit.  No use being a 
 damn fool about it."  -- W.C. Fields
From: marrevola@rediris.es
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Choke Question ?
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:13:43 +0100
Distribution: rec.motorcycles
Organization: REDIRIS, Red Nacional de I+D

In article <1992Dec16.180852.32404@rchland.ibm.com>, pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn) writes:
> In article <Bz3t8F.HpA@inews.Intel.COM>, rbodepud@sedona.intel.com (Ramana Bodepudi) writes:
> |> 
> |> Hi,
> |>  I have CBR 600, and have noticed that with the bike on its side
> |> stand and the choke on the RPM does not go up, but does so as
> |> soon as I straighten the bike up. Why is this ??
> |> 
> |> Thanx
> |> Ramana 
> 
> The change in RPM is from higher friction in the engine's crank end 
> bearings when it's leaned.

I think that it is easier than that. When the engine is cold the fuel level in
the carbs is too low, and when you leave the bike on the side stand the petrol
could not reach some jets (probably the starter-jet).
--
Manuel Arrevola Velasco |||||| True e-mail: manolo@taf.fundesco.es |||||
ZX-11
DR-600
DoD #1033

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: Engine ignites gas (was Re: correction on New Biker)
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:56:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.145544.22053@rd.hydro.on.ca>, jlevine@rd (Jody Levine) writes:
>In article <1g8a19INN6t3@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> mparsons@fleming.csc.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons) writes:
>
>>much had gone in . . I figured the nozzle would auto-shut-off
>>as usual . . . . WRONG!!! . . . all of a sudden I found myself
>>with gas splashing all over the place.
>
>I have yet to see the auto shut off work when I'm filling up a bike. As a
>matter of fact, I have never seen anyone *expect* it to work. 

Funny former gas pumper story (true, it happened at a station I used
to work for):

Guy jamms the nozzle into fill pipe, starts filling and then goes to
the restroom.  Several minutes later he comes out and is suprised to
find that the pump is still going and registers over 40 gallons!  He
shuts the pump off and complains that his car only holds 14 gallons
and that something is wrong with the pump.  

Upon investigation it was discovered that the trunk of the car was
full of gasoline!  It turned out that the fill pipe on his car was a
length of hose that was routed through the trunk and connected the gas
cap part in the side of the car to the tank.  When he pushed the
nozzle in it pushed the hose off the connection!

--
- )V(ark)<  FZR400 Pilot / ZX900 Payload / RD400 Mechanic  DoD #400
               "JEEEsus man, I don believe it!"
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What's a click?
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:07:17 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

Ed Green begs the question:

> OK, what does [click | Klick] mean, kilometers or kilometers/hour?

Kilometers.

Clicks, however, can be refering to the number of 'clicks' you
hear as you raise the sight of some military weapons.  A use:
"That scum sucking <insert rival> rider is 2 clicks away."
From: jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: First ride in rain almost first dropped bike, too
Date: 17 Dec 92 05:04:48 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM

In article <BzD6LD.Eop@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>>  Erik Astrup                   DOD #683                            AFM #422
>>  1993 CBR 900RR  *  1990 CBR 600  *  1990 Concours *  1980 GL1100 Interstate
>>      "This one goes to eleven" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap
>> ==============================================================================
>Erik;
>  A sig. like that just pisses of the rest of us.  :-)

You mean your amps don't go to 11?

-- 
*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@btr.com OR {decwrl,mips,fernwood}!btr!jamesf      *
* 1987 Cagiva Alazzurra 650 (so sweet)    Insert witty, profound, humorous, *
* Triumph 650 (slalom champ) | elitist, esoteric, plagiarized, acrimonious, * 
* DoD #469          KotP(un) | generalizing, and/or pedantic remark here.   *
From: kpm@druhi.ATT.COM (Kevin Malloy (DoD #106))
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Goldwings are darned interesting motorcycles
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:13:41 GMT
Distribution: na

in article <1992Dec16.222420.11357@colorado.edu>, laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) says:
|> Nntp-Posting-Host: eclipse.cs.colorado.edu
|> 
|> In article <1992Dec16.201827.26324@ncar.ucar.edu>, jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu (John Sloan) writes:
|> |> ...  Next on the list: a book-sized phased-array satellite dish,
|> |> for both communications and global positioning system ("We can't be
|> |> lost; I have our position to within five meters.") Heck, I might put
|> |> one of those GPS boxes (now widely available in a desensitized
|> |> commercial version) on my FLHS. :-)
|> 
|> considering who we have leading local rides this is a GOOD IDEA.
|> hey can you also use those boxes to find out what time it is?
|> 
|> i think i see someones christmass present forming.
|> 
|> not that it would help since this person can't even stop a 
|> ABS bike properly.
|> 
|> 
|> laz

Laz,
  Get a bike, OK?  And then, just maybe, the kind-hearted, family-value
kind of biker you're talking about here (hey, I know him/her/whatever
personally) just might let you lead one of our most-excellent mountain
rides, provided you don't go to Colorado Springs or some awful place
like that.   And I happen to know that this person is going to be in Denver
for the, er, holidays...but his/her/its bike doesn't have a trailer
hitch for the towed-array antennae necessary for the GPS -- not like
Mr. Red-is-the-only-real-bike-color Sloan's blue FLHS...
  So, you gonna resurrect that ol' Beemer with drumb brakes (hey, who
needs ABS when it's impossible to lock 'em up?) or you gonna get a real
bike.  I knew I shoulda sold you my Nighthawk...

  					    Kevin

Kevin Malloy  kpm@druhi.att.com  AT&T Bell Labs, Denver  (303) 538-3511
633 E. 11th Ave.					 1991 BMW K75RT	  
Denver, CO  80203	_NOT_ a 2nd Class Coloradoan!	       DoD #106
(303) 830-2937	 With liberty and justice for all, NO EXCEPTIONS!
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Date: 14 Dec 1992 22:05:29 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 92Dec13090342@fluent.UUCP, bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
>djm@morpheus.wustl.edu (David Maconochie) writes:
>
>>So how about this idea?  In the land of the "free" (market) it should be
>>possible to arrange special medical insurance for those who wish to ride
>>without a helmet,  
>
>Sounds pretty dumb to me.  David, do you understand the concept of 
>insurance?  

Where possible/practical, insurance differentiates risks.  Smokers pay
more for life insurance, people with lots of tickets and wrecks pay
more for auto insurance, etc.  That's why there are actuaries.

*IF* (note that it's a big "if"), it were possible to quantify the
medical cost reduced by the wearing of a helmet, it would be a simple
matter, and a perfectly reasonable one, to adjust insurance rates
accordingly.  Since I suspect the actual amount is so small, it would
probably have negledgable impact on end user rates.

>>Of course, those riding without helmets, even legally, might just get tired
>>of being asked to show their insurance certificate, and decide to wear a
>>helmet anyway.
>
>Sounds like harrassment to me.  

Of course it would be harrassment.  It's pretty cheap to print up two
colors of DMV renewal stickers...

(more likely, the law would only apply the way the mandatory cage
insurance law does now, nobody gets pulled over to verify they have it,
but they must if otherwise issued a ticket, involved in an accident,
etc.)

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: heated vests, advice wanted
Date: 14 Dec 92 05:41:56 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM

In article <ZOWIE.92Dec12205324@daedalus.stanford.edu> zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest) writes:
>
>Charging a head, I'll point out that this is no longer a very
>current thread.  Watt were we talking about?

Well, it alternates between helmets and countersteering, with ample surges
of copper stories so electrifying we sit fused to our chairs, transformed into
drooling idiots, insulated from the world and with no capacity for direct
communication.
-- 
*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@btr.com OR {decwrl,mips,fernwood}!btr!jamesf      *
* 1987 Cagiva Alazzurra 650 (so sweet)    Insert witty, profound, humorous, *
* Triumph 650 (slalom champ) | elitist, esoteric, plagiarized, acrimonious, * 
* DoD #469          KotP(un) | generalizing, and/or pedantic remark here.   *
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: The vertical 1/4 mile
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:40:56 GMT
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division

In article <1h154nINNh3@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>In article <1992Dec19.203501@cs.wpi.edu> ravi@cs.wpi.edu writes:
>>    hey! our own motoring vehicle isn't all that bad you know? i read
>>    somewhere (was it the recent issue of rider?) that the zx-11 leaves
>>    the space shuttle lagging way behind in the quarter mile!!!
>
>It seems to me that this is but a trivial variation on the recently 
>concluded "accelerating down a cliff" thread.  The ZX-11 doesn't go 
>anywhere straight up.
>
>To make a fair comparison, you'd have to put the Shuttle on rails, or 
>the ZX-11 on a really powerful, 1/4-mile-high magnet.

It's quite simple really.

total acceleration of ZX-11 over 1/4 mile > total (acceleration of space
shuttle - 9.8 m/s/s) over 1/4 mile. After all, that first bit that
the shuttle does looks pretty slow. No matter. I'd like to try both. 

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: tjohnson@anyway.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What is the DoD?
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:16:54 GMT
Reply-To: tjohnson@anyway.UUCP (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317)
Organization: Prime Computervision, Bedford MA

In article <1ggt3qINNhta@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>
>ObMoto: If you are on a canyon road, and encounter black ice, is there
>anything you can do to help minimize your chances of a dramatic spill?
>
>  Michael Robinson                          UUCP:   ucbvax!cogsci!robinson

Mark;

	Yes there is!! When you are about to spill, let your body go 
limp. Don't flail your arms around. Try and keep your legs loose to.
Don't try and jump off the bike, this will cause you to roll, which
is quite dramatic. Also if you could try not to scream or yell during
the fall. Just basically try and act as if you are bored by the whole
incident. Act as nonchalant as possible. And at all costs don't start
reciting lines from Shaksphere. Jesus; some of that stuff is as dramatic
as it gets. "To be or not to be, etc. etc.". Thats serious drama folks.

Always looking to lend a hand;

Tod J. Johnson
DoD #883
"Go Slow, Take Geritol, Act Bored"
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Interstate Speeds (was Re: Radar Gun For Sale)
Date: 20 Dec 92 15:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> You obviously don't drive on the east coast very much, or at least
-> not in the northeast corridor along I-95, et al...

 Yeah, but not everyone lives on the east coast.  I can get on I-40 in
western North Carolina and run dead straight all the way to around
Kingman AZ, where it gets a little bendy.  That's 2/3 of the way across
the United States.  Most of the freeway system east of Virginia is like
that.

 Making the run from Nashville to Amarillo is like reliving the movie
"Vanishing Point."  You stare at the horizon so long you get the far
look.
                        
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: OK, what should I get for the twisties?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:19:18 GMT

I was very grateful for, but disappointed by, the review of the
GPZ1100 posted here by "Dave not James". So let me tell you what
I am looking for:

I already have an '81 Maxim 650. It has highway pegs, and I've added
a windscreen and a good-sized trunk, so it is a more-than adequate
commute bike.

BUT I WANNA HAVE FUN!

So I'm looking for something along the lines of a cafe racer. I want
something that will be fun in twisties, that simply wants to lean
into those corners of its own volition. But I don't want to ride
with my knees directly below or behind my ass; no crotch rockets.
I want a goodly amount of low-end power, but an absolute top-end of
about 120 mph would be more than plenty; probably less would do.

Lastly, I'd like to get something for around $3000 or less after it
has been fixed up in tip-top shape (including tires). And I'd prefer
that to have < 10000 miles on it.

What does the great DoD/Wretch.Moto crowd recommend? Am I being
unrealistic? I don't believe in the Bike Fairy, I want to know what
is reasonable and what isn't reasonable about the above.

Thanks,

-- 
Curtis Jackson  DoD #721   '62 Yankee Brunette "Dorothy"    '81 Maxim 650
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com   '91 Black Lab "Studley"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: new biker story : Katy meets a Volvo
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:26:11 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:

>Here's an email that I just got from Katy, who's just started
>riding bikes...I did warn her to watch out for volvos....
>
>>From : cpc865::e190       "Katy Sinka"
>>To : A022
>>Subject : fucking volvo 
>
>>(no stars today to blank out the rudest 'uc' bit)
>>I can only presume that the blind spot on a volvo
>>is 360 degrees...since this bloke turned right in
>>front of me (off a side road onto the main one
>>where I was)...no i tella lie...he turned right into me
>>...if i hadn't been watching him i would be squashed
>>by now...i had to steer right out in to the other carriageway
>>as the only way to avoid being hit...couldn't brake as he would hit
>>me...bastard...luckily the lada riva (i think it was) coming the
>>other way was watching what was happening and slowed right
>>down so i could get back on my side of the road 
>
>>this could have been really nasty AND HE DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE
>
>>(shitbag)
>
>>my rude word are coming out today
>>i haven't spoken to anyone out loud yet
>>this email is my first communication
>>(so you get the swear words)
>>bloody bloody bloody
>>hate 'em
>>angry snogs
>>Katy
>
>Anyone out there got any words of wisdom for Katy?

Yeah.  Katy, get used to it.  It'll happen again and again.
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Sportbike Reccomendation
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:26:17 GMT

In <1992Dec10.012438.27479@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:

>In article <1992Dec8.150040.10214@pts1.pts.mot.com> ep502dn@pts.mot.com writes:

>  I've always felt that the GSXR750 was very cramped (just MY opinion for my
>over 6' height, which doesn't mean it isn't a fine bike).  Perhaps you might
>like it?  I know of a couple people that put GSXR1100 engines in the 750
>chassis, so that is always a possibility.

  I'm 5'-7" and can plant both feet on my 86 GSXR1100. It's one of the
few liter bikes I feel comfortable on when I'm two up and need firm
footing. A 500 lbs. wet weight also helps. The 750 are lighter yet (450
lbs wet from 85 to 87) but the seat height remains about the same.

  I've heard horror stories of 1100's in 750 frames. Shorter wheelbase
and lighter frame = acceleration head shake +. Maybe if the steering
head and selective frame areas are beefed but that seems like a lot off
trouble. We have one in town that's alway's changing hands for some 
reason :-)  

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |          **           | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer" - IT175 |           - anonymous