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From: ammg2052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Aaron M. Moy)
Subject: RE: Normal Tiel Behavior and Timneh Greys
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:13:58 GMT


Regarding the courting male tiel:
	
	His behavior is classic courtship.  He's simply trying to impress the
	female with his posture and vocal talents.  Normally, the birds would
	learn whistles and chirps from other tiels, but yours has incorporated
	kissing and talking into his routine.  They can be very persistant.
	A male of one of my breeder pairs would whistle full volume directly
	into the ear of the female for hours each day.

Regarding Timnehs:

	Timnehs are African Greys.  They're  just one of the subspecies (Timneh
	and Congo being the most popular).  Their intelligence and talent at
	mimicry are equal to those of the Congos.  Some even think that Timnehs
	are sweeter than their cousins.  They differ in physical appearance in
	that the Timnehs are smaller, have a partially pink upper beak, are 
	darker in feather, and have a maroon tail.  I have one as a pet myself.

	The Timnehs are not imported as much as the Congos, leading to a certain
	mystic about them.  Some people are not aware that the Timnehs have
	just as good a personality as the Congos.  As more Timnehs are
	domestically bred, then their price will probably increase slightly 
	when people become more familar with them.

Aaron Moy
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: "barbara turnbull" <barbara.turnbull@canrem.com>
Subject: new parrot training
Reply-To: "barbara turnbull" <barbara.turnbull@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:58:44 EST


Hi, Patrick;
L>   So far, I've been following the book's advice with some success.  He
PL> no longer growls like crazy as soon as I put my hand in and he lets me
PL> get rather close so long as I move slowly.

PL>   Does anyone know (have time to tell me) if I am proceeding along
PL> the "correct" path?

it sounds like you're doing well.  i'm no expert, but it might be
better to have him perch/hand trained in his cage before you let him
out.  is he a baby?

PL>   Also, while I am at it, what are the advantages/disadvantages of
PL> having a Temneh Gray Parrot over an African Gray Parrot.  He was
PL> certainly much cheaper.  I wonder if this implies anything about
PL> his talking ability or his behavior.  The pet store said the only
PL> difference is size, but I am beginning to wonder if they really
PL> know.

i have a congo and a friend of mine has a temneh.  i think they're
really close.  i've only had mine about 5 months and he's a
hand-raised domestic.  hers was wild-caught and she's had him 7
years.  she has great stories and gives me a lot of advice.  she
really loves hers, i think the biggest difference is that my rocky
has beautiful plumage, while hers still looks rather beat up.
they're really great pets, if you have the patience and time.

i'm not real great at training, though.  good luck.

 Regards from... Barbara Turnbull (barbara.turnbull@canrem.com)

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From: scott@ryptyde.cts.com (Scott McClure)
Subject: "Normal" male cockatiel behavior?
Organization: Ryptyde TimeSharing, San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 05:52:57 GMT


Hi all,

	We've got a pair of cockatiels, one 2 year old female, and a
1 year old male.  The male seems to have taken a liking to the female,
and chases her around the house.  It all seems normal enough up to this
point.  Once he corners her, he sort of squats down, spreads his wings
slightly to the sides, stretches his neck forward, and makes a kissing
sound.  Actually, it is something between kissing and barking.
The female just runs away, but he waddles after her.  
	I suspect that he picked up the "kissing" sound from my wife,
who makes that sound when she pets him.  Has my wife "corrupted" our
birds behavior?  Oh yeah, I almost forgot:  in addition to the
kissing sound, he also says "hi! hi little bird!" when chasing her.
I'm fairly sure that the last part isn't normal.  8-)

 	Any info appreciated!

Scott
 
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: pat@chinet.chi.il.us (Patrick Louis Sugent)
Subject: New Parrot Training
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 12:37:38 GMT

  
  Up to Christmas, I've only had experience with relatively easy
going Cockatiels.  For Christmas, I was given a Temneh Gray Parrot.
My problem is that I've been given some conflicting advice on how
to properly "train" him.   He has not been hand-fed and currently
has great fear of people and in particular people's hands.

  The pet store I bought him from suggested that I take him out of
his cage for 1/2 hour to and hour a day until he gets used to me.
A book I bought said I should put my hand in his cage for 15 and only
15 minutes a day until he gets used to it.  

  So far, I've been following the book's advice with some success.  He
no longer growls like crazy as soon as I put my hand in and he lets me
get rather close so long as I move slowly.

  Does anyone know (have time to tell me) if I am proceeding along
the "correct" path?  

  Also, while I am at it, what are the advantages/disadvantages of
having a Temneh Gray Parrot over an African Gray Parrot.  He was
certainly much cheaper.  I wonder if this implies anything about
his talking ability or his behavior.  The pet store said the only
difference is size, but I am beginning to wonder if they really
know.


Pat

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: prkenne@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (CAROL SHARP)
Subject: Re: "Normal" male cockatiel behavior?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 30 Dec 1992 08:49 EST  

In article <1992Dec30.055257.28688@ryptyde.cts.com>, scott@ryptyde.cts.com (Scott McClure) writes...
> 
>	We've got a pair of cockatiels, one 2 year old female, and a
>1 year old male.  The male seems to have taken a liking to the female,
>and chases her around the house.  It all seems normal enough up to this
>point.  Once he corners her, he sort of squats down, spreads his wings
>slightly to the sides, stretches his neck forward, and makes a kissing
>sound.  Actually, it is something between kissing and barking.
>The female just runs away, but he waddles after her.  
>	I suspect that he picked up the "kissing" sound from my wife,
>who makes that sound when she pets him.  Has my wife "corrupted" our
>birds behavior?  Oh yeah, I almost forgot:  in addition to the
>kissing sound, he also says "hi! hi little bird!" when chasing her.
>I'm fairly sure that the last part isn't normal.  8-)


Sounds like you're going to be proud grandparents to some baby cockatiels 
just as soon as your little fellow can arrange for it :-)


"Learn from the mistakes of others--you can never live long enough to make 
them all yourself".

			-Carol
From: jensen@rtsg.mot.com (James D. Jensen)
Subject: Help Save Norm!!!
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:39:03 GMT

I have a 3-4 month old parakeet, who has become very attached to me.
Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to like my girlfriend.  He was hand-fed
and is very tame, always coming to the front of the cage when he sees
me in the morning.  He can't seem to get enough attention from me.

The problem is, he often bites my girlfriend, and even left a mark on
her nose the other day.  When I first got him, she was real busy and so 
he seems to have bonded with me.

Last night while he was in his play area I bought for him,  she started
talking to him.  He saw me in the bathroom taking my contacts out (about
15 feet away) and flew/ran over to me.  This didn't make my girlfriend
too happy.  Other cases like this happen a lot too.  Now she wants me to
get rid of him.

I know it may be hopeless, but is there anyway to get a bird to like
someone else.  I have become attached to him, and I would hate to get
rid of him, but if she is going to be in a bad mood because of him
everytime she is over, I may have to get rid of him.  I know he would
miss me as well.  Hopefully I can stall for awhile and they will get
along.

I don't think she would mind too much except that my chinchillas seem
to like me better also.  That is part of the reason I got the bird, so
she would have a pet that is hers!  This didn't work out too good.

Jim Jensen
	(owner of Norm the parakeet, and Fluffy, Max, Ginger, Snowball,
              Snowflake, Samson, Yogi, and Lupe the chinchillas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: wiegand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert Wiegand)
Subject: Re: Full-spectrum *incandescent bulbs*
Keywords: Full-spectrum lighting
Reply-To: motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:53:39 GMT

rxb@vax  (Rachel Banko) writes:

>If I use full-spectrum *incandescent bulbs*, must the bulb be naked
>to get its effects - i.e. no lamp shade or glass ceiling dish?

A glass cover shouldn't be used. Glass blocks UV light, which is why
sunlight coming through a window is not sufficient.
I'm not sure about a lamp shade, I would expect it would depend on
the construction of the shade.

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From: minehart@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: New water "cup" for bird cage
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:39:27 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

A few weeks ago I visited a pet store in another city and saw a water dispenser
for birds (actually they came in two sizes) like the ones I used to use for our
gerbils.  It hadn't occurred to me that I could use one for Oscar -- perhaps
because I hadn't seen one in the bird supply section of any pet stores before
that.  

Anyway, I went ahead and bought one and it's great.  No more dropping food (or
worse) in his water cup.  He's naturally pretty curious and eager to try new
things, so I wasn't surprised to see him drinking from it very soon after I
installed it.  But the directions tell about how birds will be attracted by the
red ball and when they touch it, the water drop comes to their beak -- or
whatever it said.  I'm sold on it.  I can't recall how much it cost, but I'm
sure it's more expensive than the normal ones you can buy
for gerbils, etc.  On the other hand, it has a "fixture" that enables it to
hook onto the cage that is pretty slick, so I think it's worth the couple of
dollars extra.  And it should last quite a long time before having to be
replaced.
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Canary HELP !
Date: 29 Dec 92 04:19:01 GMT
Organization: Pooh Corner Country Club -- A Planned Community

rf2c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert O. Frasca) writes:

> I have several
>questions, and I was wondering if anyone might know the anwers.  Is it
>normal for them to fight and if so to what extent?

Yes, and it depends on the pair. You are keeping them separate until just
before they breed? And separating them out again after? A permanent,
mixed-sex cage of canaries is asking for disasters. 

Also be aware they may not like each other. Just because you want them to
doesn't mean they'll cooperate. And it's possible for one to really hurt or
kill the other. 

How much research did you do before starting this? You did pick up a book on
canary breeding, right? Or are you flying blind? (if it's the latter, split
them into separate cages and go do your homework).

>It usually seems to be over
>food or the prime sleeping spot on the top perch.

Oh, yes. The top perch is the most important thing in their lives. My
canaries (all males) love arguing about it.

>I solved the fighting
>over the perch by putting two perches up top, but they still fight over
>their food.

Second only to the food dish. 

>I seperated them once and soon found blood in both their
>droppings.  I talked with the vet and she told me they were stressed.  I
>suppose I should not have separated them???

If they have blood in the stool they're seriously stressed. They have to be
separated. It's not the separaration that was causing the stress, but the
togetherness and competition.

>Has anyone seen this sort of
>behavior with canaries? Does anyone have any advise or word of wisdom?

Bird breeding is not easy or trivial, and it shouldn't be don't casually.
Are you sure you want to make the committment? Have you done the research to
know what you need to do? Do you have the equipment and supplies? The time?

If the answer to any of those is anyhting but "Hell, yes" you're asking for
trouble and you need to drop back, punt and regroup after halftime. Start
with some basic homework on what canaries are and what breeding them really
means. It's a lot more than shoving a couple of random birds at each other
and waiting for baby birds to pop out the other side of the factory. 

chuq (who very carefully refuses to get into breeding canaries)


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From: ares@fnalc.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: TOO many eggs!
Date: 25 Dec 92 02:30:40 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
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In article <23DEC199209162581@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>, prkenne@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (CAROL SHARP) writes:
> 
> HELP!! My cockatiel won't stop laying eggs.  My three year old desperate 
> and dateless female is on an egg laying binge.  The store where I purchased 
> her told me it is common for a female to lay an infertile egg periodically 
> and that I can handle  My poor birdy currently has 6 eggs in her cage.  I 
> called the vet and was told to give her a calcium supplement and that 
> should clear up the problem.  I did that 3 eggs ago.  Does anyone have any 
> idea what I can do  to help her out?  BTW she is otherwise fine.  Eats the 
> same as usual, pesters to come out of her cage and every bit as 
> 
> 

This brings back memories...

I still have a yogurt jar full of infertile Java Bird eggs, from when I was
breeding my original pairs.  Lets see... thirteen are now grown, perhaps
eight died (horribly: crushed when the cardinal overturned the nest box, or
pecked to death when they dropped out - I was vigilant, but I guess not
vigilant enough), and some of the rest managed to last until yours truly
collected them for the jar.  The rest were probably eaten by the parents,
something which I've seen wild birds do when eggs become obviously nonviable,
for example, when they break or are trampled upon.

I worried about depletion in the female birds, since their eggs were at least
10 percent of their body size.  Into the cage went cups of crushed vitamin
and mineral pills, and hard-boiled chicken eggs.  (They dont have a taste
for the meat - only my hand-fed sparrows do.)
From: Polly.Goldman@p2.f615.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Polly Goldman)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Help Save Norm!!!
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 11:47:17 -0500

Point of Enlightenment 

  be> From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) Newsgroups:
  be> rec.pets.birds Organization: AT&T
  be> 
  be> In article <jensen.725661543@graphite10> jensen@rtsg.mot.com (James D.
  be> Jensen) writes:
  -> I have a 3-4 month old parakeet, who has become very attached to me.
  -> 
  -> Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to like my girlfriend.
  
<snip>  -> Now she wants me to get rid of him.
 
  be> now wait a second here.  your birdie will easily last 10 years or
  be> so....is this true of your girlfriend?  

I strongly second your suggestion that the parakeet be retained over the
girlfriend's protests. James could cage his parakeet when she is around, for
their mutual protection.  
 
Bird Talk has had numerous articles about how to deal with a one person bird in
a two person household.   They may prove useful in this situation.
From: minehart@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Full-spectrum light fixture cover
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:43:17 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I saw the full-spectrum lighting fixture for humans in a medical supply store
(they cost about $1000 for the unit).  It had a plastic "cover" on it -- the
bulbs weren't just bare.  We've rigged up our own and the bulbs ARE bare in
ours, but I don't think they'd have to be judging by what I saw.
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: A Red Canary and Related Canary Questions
Date: 29 Dec 92 04:11:18 GMT
Organization: Pooh Corner Country Club -- A Planned Community

mpease@dream.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Michael David Pease) writes:

>   1) What is an average Life Span of A Male Canary in Captivity?

I have some that are between 5 and 7 right now. I think ten isn't
unreasonable, but I don't have my canary books handy offhand.

>   2) He is PURE red in colour now , will He stay that way for a Long time?

Red factors get that way because they're fed a red dye during moult. If you
don't, they'll lose a lot of their redness and go orange. Personally, I
don't keep red factors because of this, preferring birds in their natural
coloration. I've also seen canaries that are very hesitant to drink when the
additives are in the water, so it evidently tastes terrible. 

You might try letting the guy go natural on his next moult. If you like what
you get, then let him stay that way. If not, next moult, feed him the dyes
and turn him red again.

>   3) Will he need a mate... IE: Will he get lonely for a Fellow Bird?

No. In fact, you normally keep your males and females separate unless
they're actively breeding because one will normally beat up on the other.
Don't buy females unless you decide to start breeding. Don't start breeding
until you know what you're getting into.

>   4) I also have a Budgie, in a separate cage, Will this knowledge of another
>      Bird, deter him from Singing?

Shouldn't. 

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: ammg2052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Aaron M. Moy)
Subject: RE: Tiel Mating Behavior
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 19:33:32 GMT


Once tame tiels will often become agressive during mating.  However, most can
be tamed down again after you remove them from the breeding environment.  They
may not become as tame as they used to be, and the process could take weeks or
months.  If the tiels were hand-raised properly, then they should still have
the idea in their heads that people are okay.  It will just take some work to
reinforce this.

Aaron Moy
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From: maria@cs.ruu.nl (Maria Ferreira)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Sub:Statistics
Date: 24 Dec 92 13:54:53 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

To the person collecting statistics about left/right handedness (footness?) in
parrots.
I have a blue front amazon (Amazona Aestiva), male (not for sure though) which
uses always his left foot for eating.

Soory to the rest of you for taking youyr time but I forgot to keep the
article asking for this information.

Maria
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: sundare@watson.ibm.com (C. Sundaresan)
Subject: what houseplants are OK for parakeets to climb on or chew?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:32:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

I am a foster mother for a parakeet who's been rather abused
in recent months.  I may get to keep him (hope hope) if things
don't work out for his real owner.  Anyway, he has a 4 word
vocabulary and is getting used to people, free flight etc.
and is really perking up.  He was kept in a closet most of the
time, in his previous residence because he "was too noisy" and
there was often a cat in the apt. also.
We are careful when we let him out for flight, closing drapes and 
removing all hazards.  However,
I have a lot of houseplants and the bird seems interested in them.
One of my books says you can even put a live climbing tree into
the cage, if there is room... well, there is but *what* sort of
plants are safe to use?   
I know dieffenbachias are poisonous (I don't have any).  What other
plants are verboten to birds?  
He eats lettuce, broccoli, and alfalfa sprouts in small amounts.
I'd like to move his cage in amongst my "jungle" -- it would look
good there -- but some leaves/stems might be within munching
distance and don't want to make him sick.

Is there an FAQ for parakeets?  

One more item: he seems very libidinally attached to one of his
plastic penguins.  He's obsessive and will do NOTHING but
coo at, peck, and regurgitate on this little penguin whenever it's
in the cage.  He will follow me anywhere if I'm holding it.
I am trying to wean him away from this toy little by little.
His extreme mania for this toy seemed, well, "unhealthy"...
especially since we are talking about 8 hours of nonstop fixation
at a time.
I don't want to deny him the comfort of this familiar object but
DO want him to interact with me more.
Am I on the right track? 
I would like some suggestions and experience stories.  

Chris Sundaresan 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: Holiday Birdie Antics
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 14:44:52 GMT
Keywords: cute?  ferocious?

welcome to pre-1993!  in anticipation of the new year, i'm wondering
if anyone out there has some cute or ferocious birdie holiday stories.  
here's mine....

about 2 weeks before the holidays, my father went into the hospital
with a case of diviticulosous (sp - intestinal problem).  during this
time, my brother (the one with kiree the goffins cockatoo) from 
california traveled to visit the family.  of course, he's read all
about angus, my yellow collared macaw, and his antics.  i'll let him
post his adventures with said ferocious beastie...

anyway, now for the cute story (btw, my father is at home and feeling
much better).  i once posted how angus likes imitating a lawn mower
by placing his beak on the ground and scooting along going <hello!>
<hello!>.  well, one day i placed him on the counter-top and
went back to cooking, and turned around just in time to see him
scoot over the edge.  in other woids, birdie overboard!

one suprised birdie, indeed.  
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