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From: stiemsma@caen.engin.umich.edu (John David Stiemsma )
Subject: so...  How bout those great lakes?
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 14:38:26 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

Theres not too much traffic on this group is there?
Seriously though, what (if anything) do you talk about here?
I love the Great lakes area, especially the Upper Michigan
coastline, and would like to talk with others about.
So if anyone else on this group could tell me what it's
about, I would appreciate it.

Thanks,
John

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Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: jwagner@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Judith O Wagner)
Subject: Re: so... How bout those great lakes?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:36:39 GMT


Some of us are not from Michigan.  I've lived in MN, WI, and OH and love
any of the lakes.  When we lived in WI we made yearly trips to Door County
and Lake Michigan--usually in the fall when it was quiet and nice.  We also
drove up to Ashland from Madison one day because we had never seen Lake
Superior.  Now I live in central Ohio but spend lots of weekends and
holidays on Lake Erie--Port Clinton--near the Bass Islands.  It's where
we (4 generation of my family) go to regenerate.  Next trip is planned
for September 25-30.  I can't wait!!!   I yuv the yake!!!

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From: kwjung@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Kurt Jung)
Subject: Re: --- WHY ---
Reply-To: kwjung@argo.acs.oakland.edu
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, MI
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:46:52 GMT

For all of you Great Lakes expatriates who miss certain aspects of this area,
don't forget about freshly pressed cider.  Tomorrow the Franklin Cider Mill in
southeastern Michigan opens for the autumn.  It's a pleasant bicycle ride from
my home in Birmingham, but I'll probably avoid the inevitable crowds for the
first few days.
 
-- Kurt
From: jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: --- WHY ---
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:17:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Albuquerque Public Schools - Career Enrichment Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hello All, Steph, Robin, others;
  Lets face it. Michigan seems to dominate this group but for the whole
area it is more like a little bit of Europe, perhaps, than any of us
would care to admit. A lot of old-world values, names, and faces and
traditions. Mostly from the Germanic countries with strong ideals and
such. Christmases cutting your own tree and pulling it out, holidays
with the entire family. A lot of dreams. Dreams that perhaps put us
out to where we are today. Time to stop...

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   We are rapidly ascending through prosperity to poverty...  Twain
                    Internet:    jim@apsicc.aps.edu
       Albuquerque Public Schools - Instructional System Manager 
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From: dave@opus.csd.uwm.edu (Dave Rasmussen)
Subject: Re: so... How bout those great lakes?
Originator: dave@opus.csd.uwm.edu
Reply-To: dave@opus.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:59:13 GMT

From article <+Gm-5r#@engin.umich.edu>, by thumper@engin.umich.edu (Bob Topping):
> In article <chiquita.715478077@camelot> chiquita@camelot.bradley.edu (Stephanie Buffman) writes:

If anyone cares, I was up in Marquette 2 weekends ago and swam in the big lake
all 3 days. It was warmer than Lake Michigan in Milwaukee. Well, the
wind blowing surface water into the bay helped :-)

I am still swimming in Lake Michigan in Milwaukee, although the past day or
so has been cooler, and today's rain will most certainly have a negative
effect.

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From: bwalsh@math.rutgers.edu (Bertram Walsh)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: Re: so... How bout those great lakes?
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:03:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I'm not really complaining, and flames to /dev/null please, but how
did this group get to be dominated by expatriate Michiganders?  There
are persistent rumors that other US states and a couple of Canadian
provinces have Great Lakes shoreline ...

Bertram Walsh  Mathematics Dep't  Rutgers University New Brunswick NJ 08903
 [Pre-statehood Michigan settler stock -- Swartz Creek & Westphalia 1830s]
   There are now over 800 Kirtland's warblers in Michigan in the summer!
From: robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Robin Bush)
Subject: Re: so...  How bout those great lakes?
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Reply-To: robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:27:37 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <C-m-YW-@engin.umich.edu> stiemsma@caen.engin.umich.edu (John  
David Stiemsma ) writes:
> Theres not too much traffic on this group is there?
> Seriously though, what (if anything) do you talk about here?
> I love the Great lakes area, especially the Upper Michigan
> coastline, and would like to talk with others about.
> So if anyone else on this group could tell me what it's
> about, I would appreciate it.
> 
> Thanks,
> John


Some, like me, are expatriates who just lurk around waiting for people who  
are lucky enough to  live in the Great Lakes area to talk about it. It is  
an occasional  nostalgia fix for me, so far from home out here in the  
"greater" Los Angeles area. 

What goes on here?  Not much.  Fall color talk, whether the blueberries  
are ripe yet, how cold is it in Houghton these days, which river should I  
go canoeing on this weekend, etc. 


Robin Bush
Univ. of California, Irvine
..where there are no fall colors, blueberries, cold weather, or rivers.  
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes,alt.config
From: dtasman@dante.nmsu.edu (Dan Tasman)
Subject: Re: so... How bout those great lakes?
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:17:37 GMT

jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
> 
> It seems that ex-Michiganders dominate this group. And well we should.
> After all, michigan bounds 4 of the 5 great lakes. 

I was pushing for an alt.great-lakes split a while back, because I get so fed  
up with all the Michigan posts (which account for about 95% of the traffic on  
here).

If only the people from Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New  
York and Ontario would post a bit more, we wouldn't have the Michigan  
domination.  I'd like to see more posts about Toronto, but those go in  
soc.culture.canada.  Chicago posts are either in rec.railroad or local groups  
that I can't get.  Forget about Cleveland and Buffalo (the greatest city on the  
Lakes, IMHO), unless it's just a tip about the quickest route from those cities  
to Ann Arbor or Kalamazoo.

However, this group seems misnamed if all the vast majority of posts are from  
Michigan.  It's like having alt.ny_state with 95% of the postings being about  
Syracuse.  Should alt.michigan or alt.great-lakes be created?  


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Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Subject: Re: WISCONSIN!!!
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:24:29 GMT

While reading article <1992Sep4.005033.15368@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, I noticed that
knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) said the following:
 >In article <kedX01600Uzx02jlZG@andrew.cmu.edu> Christopher Ryan Stengel <cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
 >>U RA RA WIS CON SIN!!! U RA RA WIS CON SIN!!!
 >>
 >>(Milwaukee is actually just as cool, but I'll go with the whole
 >>state as my vote)
 >>
 >I miss hanging around with folks that appreciate beer and brats.  Ya just
 >dohn't see dat enee wear elts hey!

Kopp's Frozen Custard.  'Nuff said.
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Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: rigg@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com (Dana Rigg)
Subject: Depressed
Reply-To: rigg@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola, Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:47:07 GMT

You are all depressing me.  It's only been 2 months since I last stomped
my home grounds (a little place called Shields, just outside of Saginaw)
and I already miss the place.  I must admit though, that even though I
moved to Arizona (Phoenix area) 10 years ago, I can still remember some
of the less popular things about home (yes, I still think of Michigan as
home).  Anybody remember mosquitos, and how they ate you alive after sunset?
How about getting stuck with the dubious honor of shoveling the
driveway when you were a kid?  Perhaps driving in the snow and ice?

Actually, I've noticed that, at least in Michigan, people know how to
drive in bad weather.  Here in Arizona, most people can't manage to
navigate on a dry, sunny day :-).

I don't mean to have a bad attitude about home.  It's the only way I
can keep myself conviced that leaving was the right thing to do.  I do
like Arizona a lot, but I miss the green, the change of seasons, and
the big lakes (sigh ...).

Dana "Home-sick" Rigg
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From: gellasch@emunix.emich.edu (Chris Gellasch)
Subject: Re: so... How bout those great lakes?
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:29:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.024838.21375@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
>
>It seems that ex-Michiganders dominate this group. And well we should.
>After all, michigan bounds 4 of the 5 great lakes. I live in Ohio now, which,
>granted, is a great lakes state, but it ain't the same. Flat. No water.
>More hot, less snow. Where I grew up (Muskegon county), there were 9 
>state or municipal parks with lakefront beach.  A small pond or a dingy
>river is an exciting cite in central ohio.

Indiana isn't much of a great lake state either (only that small part of
Lake Michigan.  I'm stuck here at IU for two years of grad school (U of M
didn't have the program I wanted :-(  )  I grew up in New Baltimore, on
the 'east side' of Detroit next to lake St. Clair.  Not a small town but
just far enough from the big city to enjoy the country.

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From: susan@noaapmel.gov (Susan Collicott)
Subject: Re: --- WHY ---
Organization: NOAA/PMEL, Sand Point Way, Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 20:06:45 GMT


You know what I miss most about Michigan?

Not the water - got lots of that out here (Bonus - Salt! Yummy!)
Not the trees - got lots 'o them, too.  With spotted things in 'em.
Not the musquitos - never miss those.

Nope, it's something near and dear to my . . . tastebuds.

I miss Win Schuler's Bar Scheeze.
Sigh!  Nothing like it in the world!  Certainly nothing like it out here.
(I also miss Wiard's Orchards fresh-squeezed cider and their doughnut
machine! And Bill Knapp's chicken noodle soup, and their burgers. Sigh!)
Heh.  Can you tell I forgot to bring a lunch to work today? :) :)


As for those who complain about too many michiganders in this group...
well, all I have to say is "HA HA HA!"  no no , that's not what I meant.
Really, I meant to say that we dno't need to split the group, seeing as
how it has so little traffic already.  Just ignore us michigan folks,
and do more posting about your states, instead of complaining. 


One last thing I remember so well about Michigan - helpfulness.  When
something happened, you could always count on the neighbors to help. 
Here, I don't even know my neighbors - but not for lack of trying on my
part!  Why, when one of our horses broke out, and ran 5 miles down the
road, then walked down the aisle of an outdoor wedding, everyone knew 
whose horse it was (we'd been out riding around, stopping every car we
saw to ask them to call us if they saw this horse), so they just tied
it up, gave it a centerpiece to munch, and went on with the wedding.
Hammy even got to be in their pictures!  And she was appropriately 
dressed, in black tie and tail.  :)  They called us after the ceremony.
Boy, was Hammy proud of herself...for years after that, whenever I went
into the feed store, some old gent would stop me and ask if I'd been
to any weddings with my horse lately.  I miss that kind of closeness, 
out here.

Oh well, back to work!

Susan
susan@noaapmel.gov
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: dcp@teak05.cray.com (Dennis Parker)
Subject: Color report (and ex-michiganders)
Originator: dcp@teak05
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 4 Sep 92 09:48:23 CDT


I'm also an ex-michagander but I didn't move far.  Grew up in Lansing, went to
school in Houghton, moved to Minnesota.  Minnesota is a lot like Michigan so
there's not that much to miss.  In some ways, it's better.

I drove from Minneapolis to Marquette last weekend.  The trees all along the
way are mostly green still.  There are tinges of yellow spreading in the U.P.
and N. Wisconsin.  Scattered trees have turned fully.  It's odd to see one yellow
or red tree in a forest of green.  It's odder still to see a single tree that's
half green and half red.

As long as we're stimulating the newsgroup, here's a quiz.  Lists the states in
order of most Great Lakes shore line.  Here's my guesses:

1. Michigan
2. Wisconsin
3. Minnesota
4. Ohio
5. New York
6. Illinois
7. Pennsylvania
8. Indiana

- Dennis Parker
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From: thumper@engin.umich.edu (Bob Topping)
Subject: Re: so... How bout those great lakes?
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 12:32:53 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

In article <banana.715501880@camelot> chiquita@camelot.bradley.edu (Stephanie Buffman) writes:
>In <BtzGBK.JvB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Ray Swartz (Oh, that guy again)) writes:
>
>>	Gee, it seems there's enough of we transplanted Michiganders (or is it
>>Michiganians) in Illinois that we could all get together in Chicago to have
>>dinner and such.  Sort of a Michi-dinner.
>
>Sounds great to me!!!!
>Steph
>

  Why not drive the extra 90 minutes and come to Michigan for dinner? :-{)


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From: stiemsma@engin.umich.edu (John David Stiemsma )
Subject: Re: so... How bout those great lakes?
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 13:24:00 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

In article <+Gm-5r#@engin.umich.edu> thumper@engin.umich.edu (Bob Topping) writes:
>In article <chiquita.715478077@camelot> chiquita@camelot.bradley.edu (Stephanie Buffman) writes:
>>
>>Well, John, this is a group that talks about the 
>>attributes of Michigan, and asks questions related to
>>tourism and stuff...  I like it.  Being from a little tourist
>>town on Lake Huron just north of Bay City, I love it.
>>Btw...where do all ye fellow Michiganders hail from?
>>Steph
>>
>  I hail from a REALLY tiny town in southwest Oakland county named New Hudson.
>Its about 10 miles from Brighton and 10 miles from South Lyon, where I went
>to high school.  Its a great little town, full of houses from the 1890's thru
>the early 1920's.  These days though, there's a lot of new construction as the
>folks from the city move to the suburbs.  That's the only bad part.  IcK.
>
>  Like John, I really love the Great Lakes area, especially Michigan, both
>Upper and Lower Penninsulae :)
>
>  Hey John-- wanna go fishing?  :-{)
Sure Bob!>
>
>
>-- 
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>@  I could have missed the pain, but    +  bob.topping@um.cc.umich.edu      @
>@  I'd have had to miss the dance."     +  phy_astrclub@emunix.emich.edu    @
>@       -- Garth Brooks, The Dance.     +     ** RETURN OUR HURON! **       @

Im from the thriving metropolis of Battle Creek (otherwise known
as Kelloggville) where the air smells like Fruit Loops 24hrs a day!

ps. Hey, nice sig. file Bob!

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Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber)
Subject: Re: Ex-michiganders
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:36:34 GMT

In article <Bu0FH7.GDE@csn.org> bletts@teal.csn.org (Barbra Letts) writes:
>I'm out here stuck in Colorado, known for all the natural beauty and mountains,
>and _still_ miss Michigan.  When I think of home, I think of Lake Superior.
>
>Grew up in Marquette, and wish I could get a job to support myself up there.
>
>Sniffle-sniffle.

One of my co-workers persuaded management to let him move to Montana
and work (programming) remotely.  Don't give up hope.

My S.O. is a doctor and doctors can get jobs anywhere.  I'm just not
sure we could live more than 20 minutes away from a sushi bar.

Michigan is great; a week in the summer, a week in the fall.  I love
it. All year long?  I don't think I could take the isolation.




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From: cs4v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Ryan Stengel)
Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
Subject: WISCONSIN!!!
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:32:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Just my 2 dollars worth.

U RA RA WIS CON SIN!!! U RA RA WIS CON SIN!!!

(Milwaukee is actually just as cool, but I'll go with the whole
state as my vote)

Any other Badger fans out there?

Chris.

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Newsgroups: alt.great-lakes
From: rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (Ray Swartz (Oh, that guy again))
Subject: Re: so...  How bout those great lakes?
Reply-To: rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu
Organization: Vis-Orb Tragnetics Recorporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:28:32 GMT

	Gee, it seems there's enough of we transplanted Michiganders (or is it
Michiganians) in Illinois that we could all get together in Chicago to have
dinner and such.  Sort of a Michi-dinner.

Ray Swartz

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From: colette@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Colette Marine)
Subject: Re: so... How bout those great lakes?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:06:53 GMT

In <chiquita.715478077@camelot> chiquita@camelot.bradley.edu (Stephanie Buffman) writes:


>Well, John, this is a group that talks about the 
>attributes of Michigan, and asks questions related to
>tourism and stuff...  I like it.  Being from a little tourist
>town on Lake Huron just north of Bay City, I love it.
>Btw...where do all ye fellow Michiganders hail from?
>Steph

Mio, Michigan here.  'Bout where the knuckle of your middle finger
touches your index finger.  Teeny, tiny town.  State Class D Basketball
champs in 1989.  Yes, we're small enough that we cling to such things.
I've been in Illinois now since 1986, only going back for Christmas,
basically.  Sucks.  I love Chicago, but I'm always going to be a
Michigander from the "North Woods".  I miss the AuSable something
fierce.  Some of the most wonderful memories I have are tied to that
river.... floating a whole day away in inner-tubes, dislodging canoes
from logjams, sitting on the dam watching the sunset, driving out to
a little, dirt boat landing on the backwaters and listening to the
crickets and frogs... well, you get the idea.

Perhaps some of you similar Michiganders, or, let's face it, small
townies from anywhere in the great Midwest might appreciate a poem
I posted to rec.arts.poetry about a year or so ago.  Those who are
really touched by it are almost invariably small town kids in big
city adult bodies.


He Said How Cliche To
-------------------------------------
 
toasted tomato sandwiches yummyfun
at midnight marshmallows exploding
in the first microwave in town
 
   How Cliche To Reach Backwards
 
into the sand cool over buried toes
still wet Island Lake lapping lazily up
the shore to chase my best friend
 
   How Cliche To While The While Gazing
 
into the tree tops for Orion or maybe
Pegasus oblivious for just a moment
to the laughingdrunk party at the dock
 
   How Cliche To Wish For Childhood
 
wonderfresh awe watching the horizon from
the dam drinking bad wine with hushed
friends as the sun too disappears
 
                         -- colette
                            April 22, 1991



Missing you, Michigan...
colette
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