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From: rickcl@pogo.wv.tek.com (Rick Clements)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Space Derby Help Wanted
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:53:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <1992Nov16.174045.7481@col.hp.com> scottb@col.hp.com (Scott Brunton) writes:
>	* how to determine winner (is electronic necessary?)
>		- again, I had been told that close finishes over a long
>		  run are not likely; however, placement may be important
>		  for subsequent rounds

Some of the rockets may not make it to the finish line.  This happens with
younger boys that do the work them selves.  If none make it, the rocket that
gets the farthest wins.  We use judges are the finish line.  (We do the same
thing for the Pine Wood derby.)

Last year we used double elimination.  The problem is the boys who loose early
loose interest and get bored.  (I couldn't talk my son into trying this year
even though I knew the scoring would be different.)  This year, we set it up
so everyone raced the same number of times.  Everyone raced everyone in their
class.  The winner was the rocket with the most wins.

Our pack has all the rockets wound by the starters instead of the boys.  I
don't know if I like this or not.

Pre-race warmups should be long enough that all the boys get to try their
rocket several times.  But if it's too long, you will start running out of
spare rubberbands and some of the rockets will start to break.  Last year,
we had one very thin, very fast rocket crumble when it was wound after a couple
trys.  

Be sure to add rubberbands and epoxy to the supplies that your pit crew has.

For both our Space Derby and Pine Wood Derby, we run an open class.  The open
class is for adults and siblings.  The hope is more of the rockets (or cars)
will be built by the boys.  I don't know how successful it is; the rocket that
crunbled looked like it was made by an experienced rocket builder.

-- 
Rick Clements (RickCl@pogo.WV.TEK.COM)
From: macman@bernina.ethz.ch (Danny Schwendener)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Christmas Games
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:01:16 GMT
Organization: Peppermint Software Inc.

John_Morgan@mindlink.bc.ca (John Morgan) writes:
>Does any one out there have any games to play at a Christmas party?  The
>games must have some sort of Christmas theme to them so tag, dodge ball etc.
>are out for this once a year occasion.

Well it all depends on whether you plan to do it indoors our outdoors.
Here are a few ideas, but keep in mind that they're coming from a
country where a consistant plot (a 'fil rouge') is a crucial point
in every scouting activity.

I would embed the games into a Christmas story. For example about a
little angel who has neglected his duties, and preferred to play aureola
frisbee and cloud soccer with the little devils instead of doing his
daily good actions (games: play frisbee with a frisbee ring, and soccer
by having the teams blow on a cotton wool ball over a table). 

The case came to Petrus who decided to send the little angel on a
penitence mission in the world of darkness and the world of silence.
Describe the kids how the angel felt desperately lost and alone in these
worlds; How he meets a blind boy in the world of darkness, and a deaf
boy in the world of silence; How these two kids show him that they can
get along very well in their respective worlds despite their respective
handicaps, by using the remaining senses -- odor, hearing and touch in
the world of darkness / sight in the world of silence --. 

Make heavy use of Kim and trust games in the world of darkness, and of
pantomime games in the world of silence. Tell how the angel is marked by
these two encounters, and how he decides to help the people lost in one
of these worlds. End the story by telling that Petrus, seing the angel
at work and his quest now over, called him back to paradise.

Okay, I made that story up while writing this E-mail, so there are still
a few details to polish, but all in all, you have here largely enough
material for a whole afternoon. By including one or two wide games, you
could even use it as base for a cub scout weekend.


-- Danny Schwendener         macman@bernina.ethz.ch
   Wolfsmeute Nidau/Glockenhof, Sihlstr. 33, CH-8001 Zurich, Switzerland
   m.h.c. Troop 14, San Francisco
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: scott@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov (Keith Scott)
Subject: Re: Stan, Stan, Stan and Violation of Netiquette
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 03:01:20 GMT

In article <Nov21.002908.55184@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> davisy@CS.ColoState.EDU (<y>ork) writes:
>I don't agree that the discussion over the issue of homosexuality is 
>inappropriate for this newsgroup.  [...]

I think you missed the point.  I agree with everything you say, but...

I for one don't care to wade through the piles of drivel, which was clearly
what that Flame-Fest was.  If one wishes to engage in petty name calling,
and other childish behavior, do your good turn for the day by doing it
elsewhere, e.g. alt.flame.

-- 

Keith Scott
scott@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov
From: gjh@ukc.ac.uk (Greg)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Rec.scouting change
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:44:21 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1992Nov22.022315.25712@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes:
>
>In article <KIRAVUO.92Nov21204057@lesti.hut.fi>, 
>kiravuo@hut.fi (Timo Kiravuo) writes:
>||>In article <hunter-201192130641@158.185.20.241> 
>hunter@master.lds-az.loral.com (Bill Hunter) writes:
>|>>We have been asked to vote for a change to the rec.scouting net.  
>|>
>|>I am not pleased with the current group. The internal policy of
>|>BSA dominates the group and causes any interesting information to
>|>sink among the signal noice, therefore causing most of use
>|>foreigners to stay out.
>
>how about rec.scouting.bsa and rec.scouting.everyone_else

This really is not helpful and is very insular. BSA policy discussions are
valuable and it might be useful to restrict distribution,  but this is
crude and unreliable. I have voted for a split; I expect to subscribe to
all the groups but .policy will be further down in my newsrc and more 
likely to get junked if I am short of time. Personally, I *do* find BSA
policy discussions interesting, though it is not a topic I would post on.

However I am convinced that it would be a positive move to split as I
suspect there are vast numbers of interested people who have checked
out rec.scouting and just given up due to the vast amount of posts on
policy topics which they never even thought about in their Scouting
careers. There really is no reason to think that subdivision would
weaken scouting on the net. It is a vast topic which is not thriving
for the very reason that people turn away when they see the current
slant of the group.


And for my 2p's worth,
BSA should provide groups with the option of going mixed, as in the UK.
The only condition to joining as a member or leader should be making the
promise, which should include a `duty to God' and a law mandating
respect for yourself and others amongst other things.

Greg
--
Greg Harewood
NMR Physics, UKC.
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Sad News - Green Bar Bill is dead
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:54:34 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

hilding@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com (Hilding Holroyd) writes:

>In article <1dvprlINN4cd@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>> Does anyone else find it ironic that GBB, perhaps the most well-known
>> and respected member of the Scouting organization since LBP, was gay?
>> keith

>Let's have some PROOF, here and not just flames. I have seen accusations
>that Baden-Powell was gay. Now I see one that "Green Bar Bill" was gay.
>_I don't buy it!!_  No one has the right to make such accusations.

Well, I had previously heard such rumors about both and had no knowledge
of the illness.  How did he contract AIDS?

keith
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: whs70@dancer.cc.bellcore.com (sohl,william h)
Subject: Who owns the post, fair use, etc...was Re: Stan, Stan, Stan.....
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:57:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.150853.10999@sei.cmu.edu> rsd@sei.cmu.edu (Richard S D'Ippolito) writes:
>
>In article <Bxo10K.4M7@cs.uiuc.edu>, Carl M. Kadie writes:
> 
>|> rsd@sei.cmu.edu (Richard S D'Ippolito) writes:
>|> 
>|> >I think that this is not the case.  For First Class mail, a LETTER is the
>|> >property of the sender, and not the recipient!
>|> 
>|> Not so. The letter is the recipient's property. The recipient can burn
>|> it, sell it, and show it to others privately. The copyright, however,
>|> belongs to the sender. This prevents the recipient from publishing it,
>|> copying it, or exhibiting it publically (beyond what fair use allows).

Actually, I don't think there's much, if anything, that would prevent
making the contents public either.  That could simply be done by
announcing to the world that anyone who wants to read John Doe's letter
can stop by and do so, in fact I suspect you could display it in a 
picture frame if you wanted to.  If I buy a painting, that painting
is then mine, I can display it any way I want, including showing it
to the world.

>Indeed -- I wasn't precise enough.  I should have said that the CONTENTS of
>the letter remain the property of the author, and cannot be made public
>without the author's consent.

See my comment above.  I don't think any permission is needed to
make the contents of a letter public.  It is done all the time in the media
and I've never heard of anyone trying to stop the practice by virtue of
a copyright claim.

>  This was the context of the discussion
>regarding the publication of email.  It is NOT fair use to post email.

Actually, given the relatively short length of most email, I'd bet it would
easily fall into the "fair use" doictrine.  Now that doesn't make it
ethical, moral, or just nice to do, but it isn't very likely
illegal or at odds with copyright law.

An example, if someone sends me a nasty email note of say one or two
paragraphs, I see no copyright violation if I post that entire email 
as long as it is accurately quoted and credited to the author.  The author
may not like it, but there's really no copyright infringement as I see it.
Just my .02.  Your mileage may vary.  :-)


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From: ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Rec.scouting change - PLEASE GO AND VOTE
Date: 23 Nov 1992 19:28:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Notice to all:
	I forwarded a copy of the CFV to Stan.  If you missed it, look 
look back about 40-50 articles in rec.scouting.

Paul Wolf
From: mturner@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Mark Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Fund-raising
Keywords: scouts fund raising
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:16:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov19.231639.125
Organization: Western Washington University

jlw3@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Joseph L. Wood, III) writes:

>We sell fertilizer every spring.  We go out on the first
>Sunday afternoon in March and take orders for a variety of products.
>We then make up an order for our supplier who gives us a really
>good deal and arrange for the loan of a semi to bring the stuff to town.
>On Friday 12 days later we deliver to the customers.  We are
>a very small troop and we can pull in $1500 from even our small town.

>The fact that we deliver is our competitive edge.  Our prices aren't
>any better than the local nursery store.

>Joe Wood

I seem to recall in the fine print on the back of the Unit Money-Earning
form (BSA) that units aren't supposed to engage in fund-raising activities
which are in competition with local businesses.  We aren't supposed to be
doing things that would take business away from commercial enterprises, at
least the way I read it.

Our pack recently combined public service with fund-raising by painting
large black-on-white house numbers on the curb or front steps of
neighborhood homes.  We advertised in the neighborhood newsletter, took
orders in advance (by mail or phone to a volunteer) and then spent a day
going around and doing the painting.  We made our own stencils to keep the
cost down.  We got 19 orders at $5.00 each, with expenses of less than $10.00.

The downside of the event is that Cub Scouts really haven't developed good
spray-painting skills, so they were frustrated when the adults didn't let
them spray the numbers, and the adults were frustrated when the kids did
prevail and try their hand at it (with a few runny numbers resulting).  We
had to send adults back out to do some touch-up work.  We're not sure
we'll do the event again, but we're out of the hole financially for the
time being.  It might work better for a Troop or Post.  We got positive
free publicity on the radio from the fire chief who was on a local morning
talk show.

Mark Turner
Committee Chair, Pack 2, Bellingham, WA
mturner@henson.cc.wwu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: macman@bernina.ethz.ch (Danny Schwendener)
Subject: Re: Project C.O.P.E.
Keywords: Ropes, COPE, safety
Organization: Peppermint Software Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:41:34 GMT

Thanks for the explanation of the C.O.P.E. cryptonym, Mike.
I was tempted to add the thread to my kill file, but now I know
that it was a good idea to keep the thread.

We have something similar in Switzerland. The Government supports
us through their J+S (Youth and Sport) department. The goal of
J+S is to help youth sports organizations with subsidies, trainer
courses and camps and short-time equipment loans. 

Two of the J+S programs are made specifically for scouting units.
One is called "Camp Sports" (LS), and is directed mainly at cub scout
leaders and sports camp staff members, the other is called
"Wandern & Gelaendesport" (W+G) (sorry, you'll have to translate that
one by yourself), and is directed at scout summer camp staff members
and scout troop leaders. 

W+G is very similar to C.O.P.E. as defined by Mike.  I would be very
interested in more information about the actual activities and posts
prescribed or recommended by C.O.P.E. Could the original poster
send or post some more info?


-- Danny Schwendener         macman@bernina.ethz.ch
   Wolfsmeute Nidau/Glockenhof, Sihlstr. 33, CH-8001 Zurich, Switzerland
   m.h.c. Troop 14, San Francisco
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: s0gwb@exnet.co.uk (George Battrick)
Subject: Re: Christmas Games
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:36:46 GMT

[Note for the linguistically challenged: "Petrus" is St. Peter.
Note for the theologically challenged: he guards the gates of Heaven.]


Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: davisy@CS.ColoState.EDU (<y>ork)
Subject: Re: Stan, Stan, Stan and Violation of Netiquette
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:29:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University

I don't agree that the discussion over the issue of homosexuality is 
inappropriate for this newsgroup.  As Scouters in the BSA it is our duty to
examine the policies of the BSA as to their effect on Scouts, Scouters, and
the Scouting Program.  If Scouters in the BSA can not debate these policies
(yes, I realize that debate hasn't always been the case in this thread) in
an open, informal, and accepting manner, then this organization will grow
old, feeble, and eventually die.  Only by showing our courage to examine
ourselves, National's policies, and the effects on the program can we hope
to continue to provide a program that teaches Scouts to grow into the best
person possible.  And, in this manner, we can keep the organization young,
vibrant, and attractive to Scouts.

York
The Red Lion

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From: ceichel@eis.calstate.edu (Charles L. Eichelberger)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Funny Scouter Quiz
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:35:26 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

Gee, saw the same file as Army Officer's Test!
From: silk@mcl.ucsb.edu (ken mencher)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Excuse me, Brian???
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:54:46 GMT

In <1992Nov16.151457.2793@brandonu.ca> mcbeanb@brandonu.ca writes:

>I can't believe y'all are still harping on the homosexuality subject.
>Just accept the fact that the Boy Scouts of America are, by their own
>policy, homophobic Christians.  End of discussion.
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I take offense at this one.  Please, get your facts straight.  I am not,
repeat, not, homophobic, and, no offense intended, but I am *NOT*
Christian.

And, there's a reason we're "harping" on this subject is because it is a
valid topic of discussion.  If you don't want to read this thread, don't.
Just don't scream when the new generation of BSA leaders hit the top and
start changing policies...

>Brian McBean  -  McBeanB@BrandonU.Ca


ken mencher
Eagle Class, '90
T627, Cypress, CA
From: pearse@warren1a.its.rpi.edu (Eric E. Pearson)
Subject: Re: Calvin's Multiple Personalities
Reply-To: pearse@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:46:20 GMT

john@chance.gts.org (John R MacMillan) writes:

	>Perhaps Calvin and Hobbes are merely two of Waterson's(sic) 	                 >personalities.

That could very well be.  The late Walt Kelly, artist of the comic strip POGO,
once mentioned that some of the characters were reflections of fragments of his
own personality:

	The proud nobility of Beauregard Dog

	The serious pseudo-scientifical attitude of Howland Owl

	The quiet philosophy of Porkypine

	etc...

Just my 2 bits,

-Eric Pearson
pearse@rpi.edu
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This is a HANDMADE sig!	 				Eric Pearson
							pearse@rpi.edu
"Don't take life too seriously...It ain't nohow permanent."
	-Porkypine
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From: walkerjo@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Li'l Abner
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:47:19 GMT
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School

In article <1e4idfINN76s@mozz.unh.edu>, ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
> 
> Li'l Abner is (arguably, but IMHO) the best strip ever made -- too bad there
> isn't anything like it today.  Anyway, some publishing company started the
> project of publishing the complete Li'l Abner -- in 59 volumes or so -- both
> the Sundays and the dailies.  I don't know if they succeeded with this
> project or not, but I do know that they got at least as far as volumes 7, 8,
> and 9.  I've read them.
> 
> Does anybody know more about this; like what publishing company is doing this,
> whether they've quit or not; when each volume is supposed to come out, if they
> are still going, etc...?  Any info would be appreciated.
> -- 
> Samuel Stoddard, the Weapons Master           JESUS IS LORD!!  HALLELUJAH!!!!!
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in
>    thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
> *=----                      --=* Romans  10:9 *=--                      ----=*

I *believe* (99% sure) the company in question is Kitchen Sink.  I got the
first three volumes in hardcover a few years ago, but since then budget 
considerations have forced me to miss out.  I *think* I've seen up to vol.
12, but I wouldn't swear to it.  Anyway, try posting on rec.arts.comics.misc;
somebody over there should be able to give you their address (as I recall,
they're very good about mail queries).  Good luck.
Joe Walker
walkerjo@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: pbwhite@rodan.acs.syr.edu (White)
Subject: Re: Calvin's multiple personalities.
Organization: Civil Engineering Dept.,  Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:35:29 EST

It seems to me that it is obvious (from C&H on 11-13) that his dad is 
sending him the mail and Calvin has yet to figure it out

Brian

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: pepper@shell.portal.com (Angelique N Wahlstedt)
Subject: Re: Inconsistencies in comic strips
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:33:34 GMT

In article <1dbrrvINN8mu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:

>     I'm intrigued by the fact that I see very few in the funnies - this is
>ironic because the writers have to produce stuff every day, rather than
>20 scripts a year.  Today was the first inconsistency I'd noticed in a

I guess that's because a comic strip usually has the same writer for a long
time, where a TV show doesn't always have the same writer for each
episode.
--
Angeli "Ms. Pepper" Wahlstedt (pepper@shell.portal.com)

"If nobody else was violent, I could conquer the whole stupid planet with
just a butter knife." - Dogbert
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
From: adavis@mcl.bdm.com (Arthur Davis)
Subject: Re: What is AWfWTW?
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 20:18:30 GMT
Organization: BDM International, Inc.

A Wish for Wings That Work (last Christmas Bllom County animated special).
From: amy@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Amy McNulty)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Calvin's multiple personalities.
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:38:06 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: blueheron.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Nov12.202554.18727@news2.cis.umn.edu>  
tabacman@descartes.geom.umn.edu (Eduardo Tabacman) writes:
> I may be wrong, but it seems to me there is a very good posibility 
> that Calvin suffers from multiple personality disorder.
> [text deleted]

> So, I'm left only with the posibility that Calvin does not really 
> know what he's doing, for at least part of the time. 
> [more text deleted]

For anyone who wants to read more about this, there's also
a discussion about the same topic going on right now in sci.med. 

______________________________________________________________
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