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From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: FAUST ACT 9 IS HERE!! And other things...
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:41:37 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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Yes, that's right, I waltzed into a comics shop today and totally out of the
blue found myself staring nose-to-nose with a copy of FAUST ACT 9.  I had
really almost given up hope that it would ever come out.  Now it's mine, and
the only thing that makes me sad now is that I'll probably have to wait 
another year to get the next issue.  This one features another satan devil
death sex orgy, among other interesting plot complications.  The plot
actually seems to be coming to a head now.  Only three more issues to go on
this one, supposedly!  Interesting picture on the inside front cover of the
comic.  It's a scroll with the following written on it:

"FAUSTIAN CONTRACT:  We have pledged our souls to the graphic medium... and
now it is your turn to pledge your souls to US... REBEL STUDIOS.  May blood
run true on the battlefield and the light of knowledge burn.  Quinn/Vigil"

Haw!  Boy, those guys sure do have swell......... heads.  But still, FAUST
has gotta be one of the greatest comics on the face of the earth, even 
though Tim Vigil DOES have his artistic problems and Quinn's scripts often
make no sense at all until you sit there and puzzle it out for a few minutes.
It's just SO GREAT!


OTHER THINGS I NOTICED AT THE COMICS SHOP:

Finally picked up my first issue of XENOZOIC TALES.  I'd read it before in
a friend's TPB's, but for some reason the dealer had a stack of #12.  I'm
hoping a new one is coming soon... but probably not until the first 1/3 of
next year.  Anyone who doesn't read this one -- do.

LOBO'S BACK #3 was in, and it actually DOES have Simon Bisley art.  If that
means he's going to be doing the art on #4 as well, or if someone else is
going to do it now that Biz and DC have "parted ways", I dunno.

MR. MONSTER ATTACKS! #1 was in.  But though I love this comic, it was $3.95.
Those lousy Tundra people.  When I talked to Michael Gilbert he was under
the impression that it would be around $1.95 or $2 or so... but no, it's
come out and it's twice that.  It's just not BIG enough to be $3.95, man!
So I didn't get it... yet.  This issue isn't the one with the Bisley story
in it, though, for anyone that was looking forward to that.  It's got the
computer colored story and some other stuff... mostly Michael Gilbert art.
Next issue is supposed to have Sam Kieth as guest artist.

IRONWOLF, a hardcover GN from Howard Chaykin and Mike Mignola, was in.  I
really like Mignola's art as a rule, but flipping through it, I noticed
the guy with the sideburns looks EXACTLY like a character he used in a 
story for HELLRAISER a while back.  Does the guy practice his style while
drawing two or three people, or what?  Big price tag.  Mignola will be
drawing the last story arc of SANDMAN.

Hmmmm... that's about all I can think of for now.
From: kyrie@coos.dartmouth.edu (Thomas S. Marlowe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Comics as Literature
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:11:07 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams) writes:

>There are some obvious ones: Sandman is probably the most likely,
>and, almost as likely, the Watchmen. Maybe a few of the top quality
>Claremont - Byrne X-Men. The Dark Knight is a possibility. So, what's
>the net.opinion?

I remember reading a stint of Batman (the title) where I noticed
a lot of striking imagery and use of archetypal themes that were
on par with some of Kafka's inner-demon and any famous author's
use of archetypal themes that human beings have to deal with.

Maus, imo, is quite compelling and will be viewed as literature of
a fine degree sometime in the future.

That's all I can think of.  Perhaps I am forgetting something, but
I can't think of anything else I have read that has much artistic merit.

My guess is that some real cruddy shit will become classic literature
just because that's how a lot of classic literature is .. shit (like
Dickens, for example. Or Steinbeck.  Two awful authors.)  So, probably
some of the stuff that is quickly cancelled, but where the author tried
some really wierd, stupid storylines, will become famous.

THomas S. Marlowe
--
"Law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice, and that when
they fail to do this they become dangerously structured dams that block
the flow of social progress." -  Martin Luther King, Jr
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Dynamo Joe
Date: 11 Sep 92 04:36:20 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <18ogvgINNqtc@bigboote.WPI.EDU> haywire@yaya.WPI.EDU (the Insane One) writes:
>Does anyone know if there were anymore appearances of Dynamo Joe 
>after the truce with the Mellenares...

I don't think there were any appearances after the series was cancelled.

It's at the top of my list of books from First that I'd like to see
picked up by someone else, but I bet there's not much chance of that.  It
was a truly outstanding series, and I think Doug Rice proved to be one of
the 80s' best artists in it.  (Of course, they were kind enough to print
letters from me in droves, so I may be biased. :-)

>I heard there were some appearances in GRIM JACK and heard
>rumors of other appearances...if anyone knows please tell me

DJ appeared in GrimJack #30 (I think), long before the truce ended.  However,
Gaunt implied in that story that Pomru and Daro did NOT survive the war,
as I recall.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

Is vi a more advanced version of ai?
From: sherman@dione.math.ucla.edu (William Sherman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Drek/Simpson (was: AAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!)
Date: 5 Sep 92 20:10:42 GMT
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Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys

In article <1992Sep5.014052.15640@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:

>     Do you have documentation that Drek is Simpson?  I know the styles are 
>remarkably similar, but I've seen enough differences that it could be that one 
>learned from the other.  I would appreciate yea/nay confirmation on whether 
>Drek is Simpson.

He said so himself on a panel at the San Diego Comic Con.

--
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From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: DC: Vertigo
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na 
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:54:02 GMT

You know, I think in January I stop buying DC completely. Of course, I
start buying Vertical Comics ("So upright, they're Vertical!") instead.

The only DC titles I'm buying that won't be making the shift are The Heckler
and JSA. JSA is headed for the chopping block and I don't give much for The 
Heckler's chances of survival. Of course there's Lobo, but after the first
issue of Infanticide, I think I'll have given up on Lobo titles by 1993.

For those interested in such things, Capitol City will be packaging a 
Vertigo (a dizzy confused state of mind) preview comic in January issue of
Advance Comics. This will include excerpts from the Death mini-series. 

I still think they should have called it Substance Comics.
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     (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    | good and ill together: our wins would be proud
   "In cabaret, even the    | if our losses whipped them not; and our blow outs
     .sigs are beautiful"   | would despair if not for our own drubbings."
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Batman Animated: Feat of Clay
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:07:10
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: prec@ellis.uchicago.edu's message of Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:14:11 GMT

>>>>> On Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:14:11 GMT, prec@ellis.uchicago.edu (bruce lyman precourt) said:

prec> Some of my MAJOR problems with the script:

prec> - Batman using blatant methods of illegal coercion (i.e.,
prec> lifting the crook with his plane and threateninmg to drop him)
prec> to obtain information. Ditto for the guy in the hospital lab
prec> with the jar of "germs". (I know it was a trick, but the point
prec> about coercion remains). Portraying Batman as judge, jury and
prec> executioner is not an admirable role-model.

Geez, do you even read the comics? Batman does this sort of thing all
the time. He will break the law (like breaking and entering) to serve
justice. Threatening some low-life to save innocents is justified. I
think your getting Batman confused with Superman...

--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: elbel@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey Elbel)
Subject: Thanks!! I found someone to trade Batman with
Summary: trrade successful
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:40:50 GMT
Keywords: Batman cartoon

Thanks to all who responded!

I found someone to trade for Monday's episode with.

Anybody know what time this Saturday's episode airs
in Central Time (Illinois)?

Jeff

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From: dpearson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Pearson)
Subject: Batman:Night Cries
Summary: opinions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 21:37:47 GMT

Has anyone read the Batman graphic novel, "Night Cries"?  I was wondering if it
was worth purchasing or not.

Thanx in advance.
 
******************************** BATMAN ***************************************

                           /\    /\_/\    /\            The Bat
                          /  \__/     \__/  \           The Cat          
                         (                   )        The Penguin  
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                                  \ /
                                   V

         David M. Pearson                      dpearson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
         University of Illinois                PEARSON@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Whilce Portacio (Jester)
Date: 13 Sep 1992 10:56:05 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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> I posted the original message but didn't get many replies. It
> was `Legion of the night' by the way. This was a pretty 
> forgettable story with decent art. Whilce pencilled the best
> story in X-Factor. I hope Punisher 6-11 gets reprinted just so
> I can take a look at his earlier art.

Whilce also did some art on backup stories for STRIKEFORCE: MORITURI.  Scott
Williams was even the inker; but his old art probably won't look as "cool"
to you.  This was before he started hanging out with Jim Lee.  Still, if you
can't find issues of S:M in 25 cent bins, you're probably just unlucky.
Nobody bought it (statistically speaking, of course).  I can't tell you what
issues the Portacio stuff was printed in, though.  Like I said, it was on
a backup story, called, I think, THE BLACKWATCH.
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Batman vs. Fleischer Superman
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:22:30 GMT

I'm not sure if it was meant to be a homage or not, but the scene where the 
Batmobile emerges from the tunnel in "Leathery Wings" is a dead ringer for the 
"Bulletteers" car leaving their hideout.
     Dave Van Domelen, thought, "Hey, it's Tommy Czrucha" when he saw the 
full-on Clayface today.
     P.S.  while I'm here, I'd like to say I thought the new Clayface's origin 
was a rather pleasant melange of the first two (first an actor/disguise artist,
then a shapeshifter), and *also* contained another one of those hidden messages
against drugs (a refreshing change from the heavy-handed messages aimed at 
kiddies today).
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:05:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Comics as entertainmet (was Re: Liefield Throws Tantrum)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc

In rec.arts.comics.misc, steyn@cs.rochester.edu (Gavin Steyn) writes:

>   The _Odyssey_ and _Iliad_ are almost entirely written for entertainment.

Really?  It is curious you should say so.  What evidence do you have to
support this?
 
> And there are other exceptions--a lot of Shakespeare's comedies don't
> really have much of an ulterior point.  P.G. Wodehouse has been called
> one of the great English writers of the century, and I defy anyone to find
> a message in his work. 


Careful who you defy.  A good marxist critic can find a message in
a shirt label.


doug
From: gckchin@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Kelvyn Chin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Femforce
Date: 7 Sep 92 13:13:57 GMT
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner) writes:
: In article <1992Sep1.034138.3248@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs) writes:
: >THis may sound bad, but does anyone in this world besides me like Femforce?
: 
: No, Charles, just you. :>

I like it, too, actually, you know, in a... errrm... horny sort of
way :)
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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: CEREBUS: Coupla Usenet Interview Thingies
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:35:21 GMT

The map of Estarcion maps fairly plausibly onto Europe, if you accept that they
have little/primitive enough sea travel that England and Africa are not shown.
I figure Palnu for Italy, with Mealc being that island I can never remember 
the name of just off the tip of the "boot".  Eshnospur would be Spain, the
Sepran Empire might be France.  All the barbarian tribes in the Red Marches
would be Germanic.  This is all totally random speculation of course, but I
thought I'd throw it out to the net...

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
"*Necross the Mad*, eh?  HAHAHAAHHAHAAHAAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHA  And what makes 
	you think I'm NECROSS HAHAHA THE MAD?"
"Just a wild guess."		-- Cerebus 13
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From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Subject: Re: Miracleman question
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:00:36 GMT

jes2x@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (John Sommerville) writes:
> I read the first issue many years ago, and just recently got the first
> volume of the collected books.  What issues do the collected volumes contain?
> Are there any odd issues left out?

The Collected Volumes contain.....
BOOK 1- A dream of flying....
  MM #1-3
BOOK 2- The Red King Syndrome
  MM #4-7, 9-10
BOOK 3- OLYMPUS
  MM #11-16
BOOK 4- The Golden Age
  MM #17-22

What's missing....
  MM #8 was a fill-in issue due to a flood at Eclipse.  It isn't
really worht tracking down unless you liked Chuck Beckum's art (which
it has some of the better work he did on the series inside).  No alan
Moore.  Just some old reprints.
  MM#17-22 had backup stories in each called Retrieval.  For some
reason they were'nt included in the Golden Age collection.   It's too
bad, 'cause not only did they serve as a prequel to the Golden Age,
but they also were nicely drawn.
  Also missing is the Yesterday Gambit from Warrior #4.  This story
was published way back when MM was just beginning (and then called
Marvelman), and featured art by Paul Neary and Alan Davis.
ApparentlyMoore rewrote this story for MM #15.
Good luck finding 'em all!  I've never found Warrior #4, personally.
If I were you, I'd get the collecteds for the first three, and then
buy the last book's indiviual issues.  Good luck!
From: levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Miracle Gods  Re: Miracleman #23
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:19:04 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Sep8.201739.27231@midway.uchicago.edu>, mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer) writes:
> In article <dwrn5qb.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>>wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William Shakespeare):
> godhood?  Dicky still believes in the mission of the Miracleman family
> to help people on occasion but generally leave them to run their own
> lives-- and he grew up on the legends of Britain's victory over a
> power which would have subordinated humanity to amoral blond supermen.
> 
> 	Of course, he can't just declare war.  First of all, MM _is_
> his friend.  Second, he's outnumbered and outpowered.  (He also almost
> certainly has a deactivation code, whether it's "Abraxis" or an
> insertion by Mors, but he probably doesn't know that.)  And this isn't
> a comic in which things are generally settled by fistfights (though
> there are exceptions, actually.  MM #15, of course, and also the fight
> with the Qys early in Book III).  But that doesn't leave him
> completely without recourse.  He can argue, he can plan, he can give
> humanity an alternative to the divine Miracleman and the diabolic
> Bates-- someone neither god nor demon but simply a human who can do
> things which other humans can't.
> 
> 	> did as well, to a lesser extent.  That "utopia" is almost certainly
> _going_ to fall somehow, or the next arc wouldn't be called "The Dark
> Age".  But whom it will be dark for, and what role Young Miracleman
> will play in its fall, remains to be seen.
> 
> Mike
> 

        Since we know that Gaiman relies heavily on mythology for his stories,
can we speculate that perhaps what we'll see in the Dark Age (from what I
understand, it's the Silver Age, but that's un-important) is a Prometheus vs.
Zeus type conflict?  All the elements are there.  The supreme god (MM) vs. the 
half god (YM being "born" from MM) who sympathizes with humanity.  The
indifference of MM towards humans.  The lack of willingness to let the humans
run their own affairs, etc. 

                                             S H Y L O C K
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From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Spawn + WRITERS
Organization: The Golden Gophersquids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:41:59 GMT

In article <716364081.1@selene.FidoNet.Org> Ed.Almasy@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Ed Almasy) writes:
>
>The latest tidbit from a Fairly Reliable source (who will not be named but
>who most of you have heard of):
>
>Spawn #8 (Image)
>    Writer:  Alan Moore
>Spawn #9 (Image)
>    Writer:  Neil Gaiman
>Spawn #10 (Image)
>    Writer:  Dave Sim
>Spawn #11 (Image)
>    Writer:  Frank Miller

I still haven't heard anything about Frank Miller. It's possible. I mean,
the only thing I wouldn't believe at this point would be if someone were
to post that Peter_A_David was writing an issue of Spawn. Even someone as
gullible as myself (Elvis is alive and having Amelia Erhart's love child!) 
would have some trouble with that.
 
>Remember, you heard it here FIRST (via Fidonet, no less). :-)

Darn Badgers! Trying to weasel credit! This is old news, son! Why, heck,
Mr Sandman hiself, via Tanqueray, dropped us a line about this. ;}=

OK, the Miller bit, if true, is news. 
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 "The Cat. He walked by himself, and  |    Bring me my glove! O clouds unfold!
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From: jonal@dhhalden.no (JON ARVID LOVSTAD)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Dale Keown leaving Hulk...
Date: 8 Sep 92 07:03:12 GMT
Organization: Ostfold College

Tried to follow an earlier thread, but I think the posting may be in lombo...

I had an interview with Paul Neary in early August. He's now editor in chief 
at Marvel UK. He told me that Gary Frank of Motormouth & Killpower will be 
Dale's replacement on Hulk. He's now trying to hold on to his other 
talents - he showed me some stunning artwork from a couple of new guys. The 
Marvel UK sub-universe will be REALLY cool...

Nomad

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From: cfalls@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Craig Falls)
Subject: Re: Spawn + WRITERS
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 03:42:11 GMT

cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:

>In article <716364081.1@selene.FidoNet.Org> Ed.Almasy@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Ed Almasy) writes:
>>
>>The latest tidbit from a Fairly Reliable source (who will not be named but
>>who most of you have heard of):
>>
>>Spawn #8 (Image)
>>    Writer:  Alan Moore
>>Spawn #9 (Image)
>>    Writer:  Neil Gaiman
>>Spawn #10 (Image)
>>    Writer:  Dave Sim
>>Spawn #11 (Image)
>>    Writer:  Frank Miller
>>
>>
>>(Yes, I also found this a little hard to swallow.)

>I almost am beginning to believe that these guys must be hard up for
>money. I know Alan Moore hasn't had much published lately and perhaps
>Cerebus isn't paying the bills, but this is really strange.

>The only thing I can think of is that this is some kind of shot at
>Marvel and DC or something.

>However, I think we can quite probably count out PAD doing an issue in
>the near future. Call it a hunch.


	Ever thought that they may want to work with a talented artist
	like Todd McFarlane?
	Hell if I could write I would want to.
	I cna't wait to see these issues, if it is to happen.


  Craig Falls - Griffith University, Australia - cfalls@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au
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From: Jym Dyer (NO MORE BU__SH__ IN 1992) <jym@mica.berkeley.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: CEREBUS: Weisshaupt lives?
Date: 15 Sep 1992 06:23:23 GMT
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
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In-reply-to: dat@thinkage.on.ca's message of 12 Sep 92 06:38:11 GMT
Originator: jym@remarque.berkeley.edu

=o= Spoilers for folks not up to "Mothers & Daughters" yet.

>>> It seems that all three died in Cerebus' presence, only
>>> to come back as possessing spirits.
>> Dave -- You're the first one to notice this.

=v= Yow.  I wonder if the same effect occurs when Cerebus
kills somebody.  If so, he's got quite a few Cirinist ha'nts
to contend with!

=v= I wonder what Bran's up to these days (Po's observations
about him aside . . .).

> So, could Weisshaupt be the fake elf?

=v= I have trouble imagining that. :-)
    <_Jym_>
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