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From: pschauer@den.mmc.com (Paul Schauer 1-1090)
Subject: Re: ENGLISH AS SHE IS SPOKE
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:31:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.185424.10858@husc3.harvard.edu> koumis@husc4.harvard.edu (Anthony Koumis) writes:
>In Britain all soda seems to be referred to as "cokes". Probably because
>they havent been inundated with all the stuff we have here like sprite,
>7-up, root beer, cream soda, etc.etc.
>
>But soda, soda pop, and soft drink I think often have regional uses
>in the US.

And don't forget the even more regional "pop" as in "Give me a pop." 
Mid-western US only?
Paul

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: gamiddle@watmath.waterloo.edu (Guy Middleton)
Subject: reasons for leaving (was Re: Inclusion of expats in UK elections)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:17:44 GMT

In article <jfml5g0@zola.esd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
> In article <1992Apr13.004613.11462@cc.uow.edu.au>, jlloyd@cc.uow.edu.au (Jonathan Lloyd) writes:
> > Most expats who leave UK leave because they have had enough of the
> > weather and the crappy wages which seem to reward mainly middle men 
> > and ad execs.   Many could'nt give a toss who runs UK!
> 
> Maybe we should have people say why they left.

I'm sure many of us left because our parents emigrated.  I have never lived
in the UK, but I do consider myself British (even though I sound like a
Canadian).  I don't think it would be reasonable for me to vote, although I
would like to return some day.

 -Guy Middleton, University of Waterloo		gamiddleton@watmath.waterloo.edu
		(+1 519 885 1211 x3472)		gamiddleton@watmath.uwaterloo.ca
From: koumis@husc4.harvard.edu (Anthony Koumis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: ENGLISH AS SHE IS SPOKE
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:16:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr10.111604.10918
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


I am responding the Brit abroad in England.  In terms of Brits calling
soda mostly coke.  My point was that Sprite, 7-up, Tab, those sodas are
not as prevalent in Britain as in the US.  No pub stocks 7-up like all
bars would in the US (but then again Brits dont have 7&7).

Obviuosly, a Brit drinking Spritye would not call it a coke. What I was
talking about was the generic usage of lets get a coke to mean lets get
a soda (which is what Americans say today.  Not true in the 1950's when
my Mother grew up in MAss. b/c then get a coke was usually allyou got if
you went to get a soda)

But do not assume that just b/c the posting is from the US the writers
are always American.  THis household has a Brit and an American who has
lived in Britain for an extended period of time.

Bye.
From: albion@bnr.ca (Alan Buchanan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The Vogon News Service: 08-Apr-92
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:08:10 GMT
Reply-To: alanbu@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Originator: albion@bcrks63


In article <1992Apr9.021730.26340@morrow.stanford.edu>, francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:

> 
> Bill Clinton looks better every day, but he needs a pacemaker. 

Have you been watching the pictures I have? And they claimed that it was
only fatigue and laryngitis.

> 
> 						Francis Muir
> 


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From: arf@otter.hpl.hp.com (Andrew Farmer)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:01:19 GMT
Subject: Re: TORIES AND THE SELFISH,AROGANT ENGLISH
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british


  Talking about "the English" as though we all think, act and vote as 
 one is something I find naive, facile and offensive. Making token
 exclusions such as "Notherners are Ok and maybe Southerners who vote
 Labour are too" just adds to the insult. I understand your anger.....
 belive me, many of us are angry too. But get a grip....we are as
 diverse a people as anyone else....

	arf 
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From: 00rdharringt@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Is Holohan a dweeb?
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:42:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Apr7.104200.5744

In article <1992Apr1.214005.60@mtechca.uucp>, foster@mtechca.uucp (self.attribute:=major_arcana[0].name) writes:
> This really ought to go in alt.english.usage instead. C'est la vie.
> 
> In article <1992Mar27.160310.7545@rz-berlin.mpg.de>, Struan Gray writes:
> 
>>Personally I think [Holohan]'s a dweeb (I love those american words)
> 
> Mr Holohan may well deserve a marvelously descriptive American adjective,
> but dweeb is not the right one. Note that I am NOT defending Mr Holohan
> or his views, but rather the misuse of my native tongue by foreigners.
> 
> -jeff "US troops out of California!" foster

Hmmm.. how about dork?  nincompoop? uh... (i'm not good with "nice" names)


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From: jpope@axion.bt.co.uk (john pope)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.politics.british
Subject: Re: The Decline of Britain (was Re: Great Britain as a malfunctioning democracy)
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:40:26 GMT
Reply-To: jpope@axion.bt.co.uk (john pope)
Organization: BT Labs


In article <1992Apr15.212054.18977@leland.Stanford.EDU>, rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) writes:
|> As for sewage and water, would you rather have government put its capital
|> in these things (which the market will happily supply with capital) or
|> in education and things which the market will NOT supply with capital?
      ^^^^^^^^^

Oh Gawd! You've gone and done it now! Save this one for ten years time :-(


|> 
|> RNA

JP

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From: wjmc@unix.brighton.ac.uk (-*_Spikey_Tribble_*-)
Newsgroups: uk.politics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Simple message
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:58:13 GMT
Distribution: world,public
Organization: Brighton Polytechnic, UK

mathew@mantis.co.uk (From A to B) writes:
> wjmc@unix.brighton.ac.uk (-*_Spikey_Tribble_*-) writes:
>[...]
> Classic Yes Minister thinking.  "We must do something.  This is something we
> can do.  Therefore we must do this."
>

 Remember the Euro-sausage ?

> >  Hawking has one of the greatest minds in today's world -- his words
> > should at least be given consideration.
>
> I think he should stick to physics.
>

There's little difference in the relationships between
 a) an atom/subatomic_particle and a large mass of same
 b) a person and a large population of same
... all social sciences deal in statistics and probabilities, which look
like natural laws with a large enough sample. Ditto physics, going from
quantum levels to our levels of perception.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: cockburn@majors.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Election Results
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Newbury, England
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:35:03 GMT

> 
>Have the results from Scottish constituenties come in yet?  How
>well did the Tories, Labour, SNP, etc do there?  Has the Tory
>mandate increased or decreased North of the Border...
> 
It's something like
Labour 49
SNP 3
Tories 11
Lib Dem 9

Under PR, the SNP would have about 12 of the 72 seats
The SNP increased their share of the vote by about 50% (14% -> 21%)
from the last election, but ended up losing one seat!

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  Views here are my own, and are not necessarily those of Digital
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:6207 alt.society.civil-liberty:3406
From: allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject: Re: British Bill: of Rights? of Goods?
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:44:58 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Apr7.164634.9611@Csli.Stanford.EDU>, scobbie@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Jim Scobbie) writes:
> In <1992Apr5.154830.16756@yang.earlham.edu> allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith) writes:
> 
>>	The US admittedly has its problems with such violations- such as 
>>the recent Unconstitutional ruling by the Supreme Court that homosexual 
>>activity may be prohibited by law. But I don't think Ireland or Britain 
>>are any better, given such things as (in Ireland) church-state barrier 
>>violations or (in England) lack of free speech/press (Official Secrets 
>>Act). I don't know of any country that I'd call pleasant or fair.
> 
> The person I replied to explicitly said they are taught in 
> school that the US constitutional system in 'superior'.
> I disagee. The US is no better than the UK was my point, and I'll
> stick to that claim. Whether either is 'pleasant or fair' in some
> objective sense is impossible to say, I guess. But I fail to see
> the superiority of the US boasted by the poster I replied to. 
> 
	The US, as I said, isn't any better currently than the UK for 
civil liberties. But a constitution with a Bill of Rights gives the US the 
possibility of a government which is truly limited by civil liberties, not 
by simply whatever the populace demands.
	Admittedly, currently Supreme Court Justices, etc. are being appointed
by politicians who would prefer no civil liberties whatsoever. The judges are 
ruling against civil liberties whenever they can. However, if some 
Justices willing to uphold their oaths were appointed, this would preserve 
liberties far longer than a parlimentary election of some good politicians.
	-Allen
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: DESIRED election stats (was Election stats)
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:27:58 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <1992Apr14.111124.781@newcastle.ac.uk>, w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk writes:
> matthew@ntl02.decnet.nokia.fi (Matthew Faupel) writes:
> 
>>This should satisfy anyone's thirst for statistics (if not drown them)...
> 
> 
> Thanks for the stats but 
> what about statistics on the following.  How many MP's belong
> to the following groups
>    1 disabled  - important because they then have direct experience 
>                  of the problems caused by disability.
The Labour party have David Blunkett, who is blind, and his guide dog, Offa.
The Tories have Emma Nicholson, who is moderately deaf. 

>    2 athiests & humanists - Kinnock is openly an athiest but how many
>                  other MP's are.  The more there are the harder it will
>                  for some Christian to impose Christianity on others
>                  eg sunday trading, blastphamy laws.
There aren't many. Major is nominally Christian, but doesn't attend church.
What is surprising is that there are so many Christians among the Tories. 
I think most of them get round the obvious clash of interest by being either 
nominal or hypocritical. (I'm about to be flamed, aren't I)

>    3 science or engineering backgrounds - important for ensuring that
>                  those MP's who sit on committees concerned with science
>    
>                  and technology have a good understanding of the subject.
There are almost none. Tam Dalyell is the only prominent one - he writes for
New Scientist. NS published complete figures just before the election.
Significantly, the Tories didn't send anyone to a political meeting arranged by
Save British Science. I think their "commitment" to R&D is clear from that
attitude.

>    4 homosexuals - if there are no homosexuals in parliament (or rather 
>                    MP's who do not hide they are homosexuals) it is easier
>                    for governments to pass laws against them.
> 

Just before the election, one Tory MP resigned for "indecent acts" on Hampstead
Heath. The Libdems have one openly gay MP, Labour have none, I think (Labour is
still heavily influenced by working-class conservatism). There is a rumour in
the gay community apparently that Ted Heath is gay.

Stephen Wilcx
>>---* matthew@ntl02.decnet.nokia.fi *------------------* Matthew Faupel *---
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: Majorities (Was Re: Emigration after the Tory win on April 9th)
Organization: sgi
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 22:21:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.192833.1@vxcrna.cern.ch>, poser@vxcrna.cern.ch (Till Poser   ZEUS Offline) writes:
|> 
|> The German system might not what You find at home, but, in my not so
|> humble opinion, it beats the flinking daylights out of
|> first-past-the-post when it comes to the representation of minority
|> positions.

Everone is entitled to their opinion (even if we don't have a written
Constitution).

|> 
|> Point in fact: most of the time a, or in this case better the, smaller
|> party would announce its intent to form a coalition with a specified
|> other party before the ballot, provided the other party would not win an
|> absolute majority. Most of time the intent for a coalition is on the
|> ballot. What's more, the (German) voters _expect_ their parties to form
|> a solid coalition for a stable government _and_ they vote accordingly,
|> i.e. tactically. 

In that case I think that PR would change nothing.   Conside the Labour
Party.   At the moment, various leftists support Labour in the hope that
their votes will get it elected, and that a Labour Prime Minister will
have to recognise this and take a leftist Minister into the Canbinet.

Under PR, these people would split off and form the Leftist Party,
and, as you indicate, announce ahead of the election that they will
form a coalition with the - now smaller - Labour Party if they jointly
win.   Then the new Labour Prime Minister takes a Leftist Party Minister
into the Cabinet.

The only difference I see there is a big 'L' versus a small 'l'.  Even
the tactical voting turns out to be the same.   So why should we make 
this meaningless change?    Just to boast that we are now more like 
Germans?

jon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Questions on the election
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:43:56 GMT

Mike Godfrey writes:

	What kind of seat did Glenda Jackson win (was it traditionally a 
	marginal/strong Labour/LibDem/Tory seat)?

Hampstead & Highgate. Upscale. Intellectual. Artsy. Herbert Spencer,
George Eliot and Karl Marx are all buried in Highgate cemetary, which
is still THE place to get buried in. H&H has always been a great place
for Playing at Milkmaids and should suit Mizz Jackson to a T. Introducing
the Hollywood Paradigm to England should give us all a thrill.

	What was the "conservative newspaper" that endorsed Labour this 
	time around?  The local news didn't identify it.

This sounds awfully like The Times. They invented the "Wogs begin at Calais"
game, and it used to be that they would routinely advocate left-wing
revolutionary activities oversea. Quirkiness. Persons who don't know
the difference will often confuse conservatism with Conservatism. The
Powers That Be in England (sic. For them, Wales and Scotland and Northern
Ireland do not exist) have never felt obliged automatically to follow the
Tory line.

						Francis Muir

francis@sep.stanford.edu
From: Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Oxford lore question
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:11:44 GMT
Reply-To: Geraint.Jones@comlab.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones)
Organization: Oxford Parallel Reality, Buzzware Artificers to the Gentry

jhill@coral.bucknell.edu (HILL, S JACKSON) wrote:
>->  I saw a reference the other day to "Pop" Hall, Oxford.  I take it to be a
>->  nickname for one of the colleges.  If any one can enlighten me, please post
>->  here or e-mail.  Thanks.    jhill@bucknell.edu

That would be `Pot Hall', St Peter's College, St Peter's Hall as was.          g
From: dj@ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Update on the Caraher shooting
Organization: :noitazinagrO
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 14:22:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.123710.1885@e2big.mko.dec.com> holohan@mark.enet.dec.com (Mark Holohan) writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr9.200743.8265@retix.com>, darragh@retix.com (Darragh Stokes) writes:
>|>In article <1992Apr9.123937.6164@e2big.mko.dec.com> holohan@mark.enet.dec.com (Mark Holohan) writes:
>|>>
>|>>
>|>>                          Caraher Shootings Update
>|>>                          by Sandy Carlson (Belfast)
>|>
>|>As a regular reader who finds Mark Holohan's posting usually to be based on
>|>historical inaccuracies etc.,  I feel that I have to commend him on a very 
>|>rational article.  Give the facts ( trying to minimise the emotion ) and 
>|>the facts will speak for themselves.
>  
>Darragh, if you find inaccuracies, point them out.  Making a blanket statement
>that my posts are usually based on historical inaccuracies serves no purpose
>other than to taint all of my articles.  I pain-stakingly quote my references 
>in 99% of them.  
>
References are not the same as fact, my friend.  Bermuda Triangle
authors painstakingly quote references: mostly each other.  Now if you
had said something about cross-checking references against each other,
and other published accounts, looking for independent confirmation, then
we'd believe you were taking pains to be historically accurate.  As it
is, the drubbing you typically get here and in s.c.usa supports
Darragh's assertion.


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From: colin@cs.uq.oz.au (Colin Millerchip)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: News from Ambridge
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:53:40 GMT
Reply-To: colin@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1992Apr14.182913.5449@vax.oxford.ac.uk> wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>In article <7535@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>, colin@cs.uq.oz.au (Colin Millerchip) writes:
>> Can I add my lone cry to this appeal? 
>> 	- Are Sid and Kathy still in flagrante? 
>They're married, remember, and Cathy (well that's how I spell it) stopped
>seeing her policeman lover before Christmas.
Yep, I agree, but this was (almost) their term: remember when they were
caught in bed by Lucy when Kathy was definitely "off-limits" to Sid? 

Also, isn't this the magic of the Archers - we each imagine the
characters in our own ways. So, trivially, we spell 'Kathy' differently:
Which perfume does Mrs. Snell wear? Is Clari a redhead? Is Lizzy as sexy
as she sounds? What about that teenage temptress Lucy? (No feminist
flame mail, *please*!) Is Mr. Rodway a Nazi? Anyone want to pick up on 
these points? Do we have a news group in the offing here?


>Other news:
>Jennifer Aldridge has been having an affair with Roger Travers-Macy, her first
>husband. ...

This was happening when I left the UK, and back then everyone knew about
it: has no-one accused her of being a trollop? (which, of course she
is!):-)


>  ......Elizabeth Archer is pregnant by Cameron Fraser. He wants (-ed?) her to
>have an abortion (they seem to have mysteriously got back together today).
>Fraser is in big financial trouble. He has threatened the Grundys with
>eveiction if they don't pay the rent within 8 weeks (they're only 500 pounds
>short). He is still not selling Red House Farm to the Archers. Mike Tucker has
>a new job as a feed sales rep. Pat and Tony haven't got soil association
>approval for their new 22 acres. Nigel Pargetter is getting much more
>succesful: Lizzie now works for him. And that's only scratching the surface of
>the storylines....
>Stephen
> 

Is the Scottish slime-ball holding out on Red House Farm because he's 
miffed at Lizzy not having an abortion? How did Mrs. Antribus [sic] & 
Mrs. Snell react to this out-of-wedlock event? Is Lizzy's friendship 
with Nigel leading anywhere (like, up Fraser's nose, and towards 
wedding bells):-):-):-)?

Colin.

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From: koumis@husc4.harvard.edu (Anthony Koumis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Is Holohan a dweeb?
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:44:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr8.184447.10856
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


Dweeb is kind of like a nerd.  But what did this Holohan do to be
called a dweeb. I think i missed one