HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: "Rich Fromm - 'Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.'  13-Sep-1992 2122" <fromm@tecrus.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Re: Ithaca 9-26-91 Venue
Reply-To: fromm@tecrus.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:23:25 GMT

Brian J. Feller asks about the venue for the 9/26/91 show.
John J. Wood responds saying it was the Haunt.

(sorry I haven't yet figured how to cut and paste from this terminal...)

I wasn't at this show, but I'm pretty sure that it was at the State Theatre,
and not at the Haunt.  My first 2 Phish shows were at the Haunt, one in 5/90
and one in 10/90.  The next time that Phish was in Ithaca (2/14/91), they
played at the State Theatre (an old movie theatre) and not at the Haunt (a
bar/club with a stage and dance floor).  To the best of my knowledge, all
subsequent gigs in Ithaca have been at the State Theatre.  I think they've
outgrown the Haunt.

- Rich

P.S.  On the topic of Phish gigs in Ithaca and possibly at Cornell, I've
always wanted to see Phish play either Libe Slope during Springfest, or at
Barton Hall.  I've already seen Phish at my other long-hoped-for venue
(Chestnut Cabaret in Philly), so here's hoping for Cornell.

P.P.S. Does anyone have a tape of the 5/90 Phish show at the Haunt?  (I
think it was either 5/7/90 or 5/8/90.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: roek@ruby.egr.msu.edu (Daniel Roek)
Subject: Re: New Songs
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 04:31:22 GMT

In article <18rp7lINN7bc@agate.berkeley.edu>, shell@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU (Shelly Culbertson) writes:
|> 
|> March 7, 1992 (debuts)
|> ----------------------
|> Silent in the Morning
|> Weigh
|> Cracklin' Rosie (Neil Diamond cover) 

Also, "My Mind's got a Mind of its Own," a bluegrass tune by Jimmy Dale
Gilmour (I think).

For you Zappa fans:  do you think Fish had a latent appliance fetish for a
vaccuum cleaner and "went into the closet?" :-) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: joelfire@leland.Stanford.EDU ( Firehammer)
Subject: Re: Sleeping Monkey
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 18:14:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.172343.17612@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> kassak@athena.mit.edu writes:
>
>Hey,  I was wondering if anybody knew anything interesting about
>Sleeping Monkey. It seems weird to me that Phish has been playing this
>sort of just OK (IMO) song as encores. Why do they like it so much? Is
>there something clever about it that I'm not really noticing? It just
>doesn't seem like a traditional Phish encore. I was really shocked at
>Portsmouth when they ONLY played it as the encore. Opinions?

I've only really listened to the lyrics closely once, and at the time
I remember thinking that it was humourous sexual innuendo, although now
I can't exactly remember why.  Maybe someone could post the lyrics?

-joel
Tboot!

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: David Stoller <nitewing@well.sf.ca.us>
Subject: Please!
Reply-To: nitewing@well.sf.ca.us
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:34:03 GMT

Guys, can we please just ignore this bonehead? He's only looking, no...
begging for attention (Why else owuld he cross reference all thos
conferences)... All we're doing is wasting time and loading the digest with 
garbage... this place ]is special, lets not watse it with a lot of
garbage flaming... Can we PLEASE get back to Phish?!
From: fromm@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Rich Fromm - 'Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.'  09-Sep-1992 0926)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: Phish and prayer:controversy!
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:21:05 GMT
Reply-To: fromm@tecrus.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet

TODD (KUSHNIRT@axe.humboldt.edu) writes:

|I am especially excited when I  see that my favorite band is 
|performing a religeous song on the appropriate holiday.

not to be too picky, but isn't Avenu Malkenu a Rosh Hashana prayer, not a 
Passover prayer?

- rich
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: MEG94@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Subject: Hypnotic Clambake (non-phish)
Reply-To: MEG94@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:42:12 GMT

Although this is a few days after the Rochester, NY Clambake/ Horsefly
show, a few words must be said (since it was hyped on the net):
      Hypnotic Clambake poured out the SIKKEST set, oh yeah!
          SeeZ Them- that's an order, 
       but a handful of shows have ever struck me with such 
       a power, musical styles ranged from reggae to square dance
     to a crazy hot Bulgarian Jam... simply see them.
       I have their studio album, and although it is great
      their live sound leaves it lost in the arising dust.

        After their opening set, the Horseflies couldn't even 
       keep us in the bar through their 1st set, a disappointment
      but they had a hard act to follow.
 
       Finally a little tiny grovel: I would be most gracious
                   if someone had some live Clambake to trade,
                  i.e. a good copy of the show that ran on the
                       tree I missed. I have goodies of interest
                      to trade (Phish, BT, Spin, Nw Pttoe Caboose)
               
                          Left this body when I was Hypnotized...
                                        Michael - Geneseo,NY
From: korwandr@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (DAN KORWAN)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Phish and Dead
Date: 6 Sep 92 19:02:00 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Well, I was going to reply to the person who seemed to have gotten 
pissed off at my suggestion that some of you may want to join a thread over 
on r.m.gdead regarding Phish and the Dead.  It seems my server won't let me 
re-read that article (I can get the one before and the one after it).  Since 
I can't explicitly respond to it I'll try and clarify my original intent.  
	What I was hoping for was some discussion as to why people seem to 
keep comparing these two groups; even more than BT, SDocs, etc.  I know the 
obvious differences- the music, the crowd, the age, the stage presence-, but
I was wondering why people keep bringing up similarities or why even bother to
do so.  I don't know Phish's music well enough to be qualified to discuss this,
but as I've stated I still find it interesting (ie. the comparison).  If no 
one wants to talk about it, I'll drop it now.
nuff said
	Thanks to all the people who responded to the tape grovel, I'll get 
back to you soon.
Obligatory tour grovel:
	Guys, if your reading come to Blacksburg VA, between your shows in
UVA (Charlottesville) and NC.  We're right on the way (I-81->I-77), have a
large school (biggest in VA), and have a really good scene up here in the
hills of Southwest VA (this from a New Yorker :^>).

Dan K  
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Matt Laurence <mlaurenc@world.std.com>
Subject: The whole race issue...
Reply-To: mlaurenc@world.std.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:00:38 GMT


This is just an excerpt from the HUGE series of recent posts...

--------

In article <Bu8I0z.3q3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> djr48312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (X X) write:
|patrick@blanco.is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
|
|>In article <65328@cup.portal.com>, Fuck-Head@cup.portal.com (Jeff R Spangenbe:
|>>Vote for Jesse Jackson in 1992... He'll give us a REAL reason to 
|>>HATE THE FUCKING NIGGERS!!!
|>>
|>>F^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
|
|So sad that we still have this stuff going on.  Where you from boy?
|A person like yourself does everything he can to keep the black, brown
|and yellow man "in his place".  With the advent of a wide open world we
|have no time for this type of bigotry, so why don't you reply to me and
|talk to your worst f'in nightmare...  An educated black man!

                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

There's an oxymoron if I ever heard one.


----------


Ok, I'm assuming the idiot who started this is not reading this   
list, since he crossposted to something like 10 lists, but if
by some chance he is or someone knows him, tell him to get this
whole issue OFF of the PhishNet group.

This is a music group, and people's religious beliefs/prejudices
have little or no place here, and I would like to assume that
we all rise above that issue through the music we share. Sound
corny? Well, perhaps. But it'snot half as stupid as some of the
inflamatory racist bullshit I've seen posted over the last day or
two. I just cannot believe people would seriously forward some
of the ideas seen here, and I would hope it would stop, or at least
be relegated to rec.hangups.prejudice or wherever it is that
such issues might have some relevance.

Thank you in ADVANCE for stopping here.

Matt
From: ST101137@brownvm.brown.edu (Lee Silverman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Tape Lists and the Phish-Net
Date: 14 Sep 92 05:46:41 GMT
Reply-To: ST101137@brownvm.brown.edu
Organization: The Internet

Howdy all! Haven't been posting in a while (lots of other stuff
going on here) but I noticed the "Trading Cippolina" post and
Rich's follow- up, so I thought this might be neccessary.
Traditionally, it has been considered bad taste to post a tape
list to the net.  The idea of the net is to trade ideas and
thoughts about our favorite band.  In most cases, a tape list in
the midst of all this discussion is merely clutter, especially for
those people who read the net via the digests.  As Rich said, it
is better taste to post a little notice saying that you are
interested in trading, and let people email you.

Rich also mentioned the ftp site.  There are a few tape lists here,
on the ST101137.202 disk (see the FAQ for details), and I'm always
happy to add more.  My semi-official policy on this has been to allow
only Phish lists, but I've sort of changed my mind about that.  As long
as there is some Phish in your list, I'll put it on the ftp site.
For folks who have sent me your tapelists in the past, I do not
automattically post every tape list I get to the ftp site.  If you
want your list up there you need to ask me specifically.

Hope that helps!

BTW, I want to re-iterate what Shelly has said about sticking with
the Phish net through this time of trouble. The "Fuck You" thread,
and related "Appology" thread are a major bummer, especially to
folks who only read the digests.  The virus analogy is a good one.
Keep in mind that the person who has posted these messages is a
forger, and a reasonably good one.  (Good enough to fool the Well
into thinking that someone had cracked an account.)  S/He is only
trying to cause trouble, and has subsequently crippled a dozen major
newsgroups.  It's amazing what a little talent can do in the wrong
hands.  I hope everyone can stick with the net and ignore this
intrusive virus until it goes on its merry way.


Set the Record Levels for the high gear of your soul!!
Pandion                                       Pandion@Brown.edu
(Lee Silverman)                               ST101137@BROWNVM
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: CHJOHNSON@cmcvx1.claremont.edu
Subject: Let it die, please.
Reply-To: CHJOHNSON@cmcvx1.claremont.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:22:19 GMT

By paying t
oo much attention to this whole "Fuck you all" issue, we are
only giving it too much validity by even bothering to consider it.  For
example, do you think that stickers on records keeps people from buying
them?  On the contrary.  With all the controversy over 2 Live Crew's albums,
sales only go up because people want to see what all the fuss is about.  I
would hope that people on the .net would be above the trash posted by
Hugo Gonzales and not give it a second thought.  Why don't we ignore it and
maybe instead someone can answer my question of why Trey's voice sounds
so weird on Fee on Junta and Lawn Boy.
							-Andrew
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thursday, 10 Sep 1992 11:00:23 EST
From: <ADVI8737@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: What is a "Phish"

what is this group all about............Help me understand.
From: augy@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Jeffrey Ehlinger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: USE E-MAIL FOR ARGUMENTS
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:26:27 GMT
Organization: The Tower of Zot - (716)691-3865


     Please use E-mail to hurl racial slurs and arguments (if you must do 
either). Don't waste bandwidth. Post about Phish. PLEASE please please. . 

==========================================================================
** Mail to: Augy@toz.buffalo.ny.us        <<<Tower of Zot>>> Bflo, NY   **
** The bus came by and I got on, that's when it all began!              **
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: patricia chern <pchern@elendil.next.nd.edu>
Subject: Re: a sea of Phish
Reply-To: pchern@elendil.next.nd.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:44:31 GMT

Heylo everybody,
I just thought I'd say hello and let everyone know how I'm making up  
for the fact that I'm on campus my senior year. I'm an R.A. and we  
were instructed to make thematic, creative door tags for all the  
incoming residents of our section.  I had planned to watercolor an  
individual painting for everyone and stick their names somewhere  
(illusions of the grandeur), but needless to say I didn't have time  
so instead I made a stencil of the outline of the Phish logo and  
squished people's names (first and last) into the phish using  
psychedelic colors. Tina Wojzechkowski was my favorite.  I also added  
fins (why doesn't the logo have fins by the way?) and cut up blue  
strips of water, i mean paper, and twisted them for water in front of  
the phish.  My hallway looks pretty cool. A full sea of phish.   
Continuing in the Phish mode, I lamenated one of those cardboard PON  
circles (Nectar side facing out) to use as my message board, and have  
one of the corners of the section bulletin board dedicated to, you  
guessed it, the writings of Mike Gordon (since I have a lot of back  
newsletters I've been rotating photocopies of Mike's Corner weekly).   
And since none of these things actually refer to Phish directly, the  
theme is rather subtle unless a Phish head wanders down the hall (as  
one did, laughing.)  But at least I have an excuse for blaring Phish  
all day - just wanted to keep with the required "theme" of the  
section!  


Have a stupendous day and
Peace dreamfully,
Patti
From: AGRABINSKI@sc9.intel.com (ALEK GRABINSKI, 765-2151, VERTICAL FURNACE PGM MGR)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: F*ck you all
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:23:35 GMT
Reply-To: AGRABINSKI@sc9.intel.com
Organization: The Internet

To paraphrase one Rodney King: "Can't we all live together?"

This smacks of a prank anyway.  There are people in this world who feel 
downtrodden, often with good reason, and we can't deny that history 
points out some serious barbarisms committed in the name of various good 
causes; but I don't think someone who feels as vitriolic as this could 
get access to a computer, let alone know how to type.  Damn!  I promised 
myself I wouldn't drag myself into this mess!

Alek Grabinski
"100% Polish and proud of it"

ps - Polish people at the bottom of the list?  Get real!
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Mike Appleton <mappleto@stmarys-ca.edu>
Subject: RE: Zero + Special Guests
Reply-To: mappleto@stmarys-ca.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:02:47 GMT

I don't who the exact guests will be on each night, but the Chronicle Pink section a couple of weeks ago said that Dan Healy will be recording the shows
for a live album and that over the three night run, the guests will include
the following: Merl Saunders, Nicky Hopkins, Vince Welnick, John Kahn,
and Bobby Vega.  Should a great bunch of shows.  I hope to make at least one 
myself.
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu
Subject: birthdays
Reply-To: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:22:51 GMT

I know Page's b.day is May 17th, because I caught his birthday show two con-
secative (sp!) years.  (5/17/91 Providence had a blackout during Chalkdust   
and a Bike (!), 5/17/92 Schenectady had an amazing Possum and Sanity).  The 
5/17/92 second set also had Phish give everyone's birthday (a funny bit
occured when he got Trey's wrong and they got into an argument.  I was up 
front so I heard it.  Unfortunately, no one was near a mike so it won't be
on tapes).  So if you get that tape, that should have the info. you want
(P.S. if anyone has that tape, (e.g. 5/17/92 (esp. II, but I want both)), I 
want it.  Please e-mail to dsteinbe@nmsu.edu.  I have approx. 91 tapes to 
trade...)
-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg
P.P.S. I apologise for putting the P.S. before the signature...
From: KUSHNIRT@axe.humboldt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: Phish Digest #491
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:23:35 GMT
Reply-To: KUSHNIRT@axe.humboldt.edu
Organization: The Internet

I liked Page's thesis a lot, but I was confused as to  what the topic was. 
Was the  topic, "My life as a piano player and the cosmic realizations I've had
about my learning to  improvise"???  Or was it, "The most important  people
and events in my musical carrer and how they relate to my improvising."
I'm sorry to say that in order to fully understand the thesis I need the 
question that he was asking himself, or that his professor asked.  It seemed 
much more like an   autobiography than a thesis.  This is not to say that I
didn't enjoy it.  I thought it was well written and quite informative as to 
where Page has come from.  Thanks for sticking with the piano, Page, and not 
turning to writing!

As far as Sarah from Cornell (H7L@vax5.cit.cornell.edu), who was put down by 
the bands rendition of the Hebrew Prayer Avenu Malkenu,  I would like to say 
that as a Jew, I am especially excited when I  see that my favorite band is 
performing a religeous song on the appropriate holiday.  I am not very 
religeous, but I have been Bar Mitzvahed and went to Sunday school for years,
and in fact,  I requsted to Trey that they play Avenu Malkenu that day at
Stanford.  I know that you feel it is a serious prayer, on a serious day,
but don't you think that it is the most seriously jamming version of that 
prayer you've ever heard??  I am proud that Phish chose to play that song on
that day and know that they were not mocking it's seriousness what so ever.  
Also, it was Mike that took the "Happy Passover Solo," not Trey.
O.K.  enough of that. Lechiam!
TODD
"THE OVERHEAD VIEW IS OF ME IN A SYNAGOGUE..."
From: harpua@yvax.byu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Passover bass solo
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:02:36 -0700
Organization: Brigham Young University

> And was the Passover Solo an actual poke at the
> Holiday, or a random choice?


Well, as has been said, this song is a standard enough thing.  I assume the
particular show you refer to was the Stanford show.  That was the second day of
passover, first of all.  I saw them there, and at the Warfield as well.  We all
thought we would hear them play Avenu Malkenu that night, but they didn't.  I
seem to even remember the intro being played.  Anyway, call it sensitivity to
the hypersensitive that they didn't play it then.

As far as the bass solo, Trey said something like:

Mike will now play for us all a happy passover bass solo.  I'm pretty sure Mike
is Jewish, so what is wrong with that?  

I will let someone else kill the horse

HARPUA
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: "Rich Fromm - 'Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.'  14-Sep-1992 2215" <fromm@tecrus.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Re: New Songs
Reply-To: fromm@tecrus.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:17:47 GMT

Yes, I do consider that the Rift first played at Portsmouth should be
a new song, since it apparently has totally different music than the old
Rift.  (I've never heard the original Rift, but this seems to be the
consensus on the net.)  As for All Things Reconsidered, I was at the
show in Keane (or is it Keene?) where it was first played, and I don't
seem to remember it being any different than the current All Things
Reconsidered.  I always thought that the "Re" part of "Reconsidered" was
because the original theme for the NPR show is simply All Things
Considered, so Phish's interpretation is "Reconsidered."

- Rich

p.s. What ever happened to NPR using Phish's version on the air?  They
frequently play bits and pieces of songs, so I think it would fit in
quite well (although I doubt they'd play much more than 15 or 20 seconds
of it).  Have I missed it, or did they never use it?
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: farbrent!ajr3@ms.uky.edu
Subject: Setlist and Venue Needed for 10-30-90
Reply-To: farbrent!ajr3@ms.uky.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 10:26:35 GMT

A friend just scored a DAT board of Phish on 10-30-90. All he knows  
about the tape is the date though. Can some kind soul identify the  
venue and maybe send me a setlist?

Thanks,

j.

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: "Rich Fromm - 'Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.'  14-Sep-1992 2212" <fromm@tecrus.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Re: Trey's voice on Fee
Reply-To: fromm@tecrus.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:10:41 GMT

During one of the shows I saw at the Haunt (10/90, I think) Trey sang
the verses to Fee thru a megaphone, instead of into the mic.

- Rich
From: gertben@ocf.berkeley.edu (Benjamin Gertner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Gamehenge II Cycle
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:04:29 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu

The Gamehenge saga has always been one of my favorite things Phish
does. I am curious if anyone out there knows what Trey plans on doing
with new songs to make a second cycle. It seems that the thesis tape
ends pretty much on a grim note, and it's hard to see where he plans to
go with it, other that to continue the conflict, as in Llama. Is it
just going to be years of war between revolutionaries led by Aaron Wolf
and counter-revolutionaries, and counter-counter revolutionaries, etc.,
or does something new evolve out of this?

Also, on a related note, about the original thesis, I am curious as
to how this was explained. Is the thesis just the tape, or is there
an explaination of the story and what Trey feels is the purpose of
it. I would love to see that if it exists. Any info. would be
greatly appreciated. BTW, does anyone know when they plan on recording
the story for an album? Is that going to happen?

-Ben
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen)
Subject: zero tree ????
Organization: Vestek Systems, San Francisco
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 22:22:36 GMT

     I have been away for a little while, so excuse the repetition if this
has been asked recently. Whats the deal with the Zero tree ? Does anyone
know ? It would be nice if the organizers of the tree would post something to
at least acknowledge the fact that there is a tree, as I have seen other 
messages such as this over the summer.

     Thanks in advance, Marcus
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: jg@titan.ucc.umass.edu (John Greene)
Subject: Lurker
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:38:39 GMT

Hey Gang,

  My work schedule and courseload forces me to become a lurker on this
net.  In the past I have tried to reply to your questions and verify
the rumors -- there's just no time now.  Shelly seems to have the time
to post 100 lines a day (;-Q) so I'm sure she'll be happy to continue
dealing with this stuff.
  If there is ever any desperate need for information, please e-mail me
and I'll reply.
  Try to keep the good vibes going, and be nice.  Oh... one more thing,
if you didn't hear it from the band, it probably ain't true (rumor stopper).  
  Farewell,

-jg

o   John Greene
o   jg@titan.ucc.umass.edu
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