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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 07:10:25 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      black music

I have a friend who falls into this categorey i would be listening to
Muddy and he didn't like it all, I told him he should be proud of
the music that afro-americans started it preceded/influenced/created
(the list goes on) rock,country,jazz and it's influences are heard
daily , but he said he was ashamed of the music that his ancestors
created. Of course i'm not in his shoes, but i will never understand
that.
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From:         "The Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny"
              <ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Warning: contains blatant overgeneralizations.
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Michael says:

>Merle Haggard: what a great American-- NOT! The Youngbloods used to do a parody
>of "Okie from Muskogee," touting the virtues of tolerant cooperative lifestyles
>and plenty of marijuana, and one of their cuter lines was, "We still take in
>strangers if they're Haggard."

Pure Prairie League did a similar tribute on the _Takin' the Stage_ live
set called "I'll Fix Your Flat Tire, Merle."

>> John Zorn/Naked City:
>> 	When I was in Tower I saw two Naked City discs. One was an American
>> release (the one I picked up) with a picture of a guy lying in the street
>> with his face blown away. The other one which was an import had a topless
>> Asian woman on the cover. Are these the same? If they are, it says something
>> about censorship. It's not ok to show someone nude, but it's ok to show
>> someone with his face shot off. BUT ANYWAYS...

>Not the same record. The one with the topless Asian woman (brandishing a whip,
>did you notice? This cover was banned in England) is a second recording called
>_Torture Garden_, and is even more in the vein of "Speedball" and the short
>blitzkrieg tunes. This material was supposed to come out on a CD, with some of
>Naked City's classical covers (Scriabin, Debussy, Messiaen, and Brian Wilson),
>under the title _Grand Guignol_, but apparently Nonesuch got cold feet...

>> Sun Ra: Blue Delight
>The apogee of Ra's orbit was probably the '60s (seems like everyone was pretty
>far out in that time frame). Look for some old Impulse albums like _The Magic
>City_, _Angels and Demons at Play_, uh, the live Montreux set on BASF called
>_It's After the End of the World_, the old ESP records called _The Heliocentric
>Worlds of Sun Ra, Volumes I and II_... haven't listened to this stuff in many
>moons, so I am, so to speak, spacing out on the titles.

There you go, feeding my habit again! Eegads my "To Buy" list is growing
faster than I can buy these things. 8)

Today's spoils: Phish _LawnBoy_
	        Sharrock & Skopelitis (Hey, wasn't he a tennis player 8)
		     _Faith Moves_
     	        Marillion _Holiday in Eden_

-Adam
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:42:07 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      music needed

I know this is not the proper place to post this, but i can't post to
any of the "news groups". I would like to know the chords to I'd
Rather Go Blind (Etta James or Koko Taylor) I think it's in E , just
your basic E,A,B, but I'm not sure, please E-mail some info if you
know it. e-mail address is Ists024@uabdpo
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From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
Subject: Re: Country Music
Reply-To: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 05:21:28 GMT


In a previous article, AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU () says:

>Also I would like to say that Billy Rae Cyrus is
>being called the next ELVIS.

  Yeah, at least one publisher in Nashville that I know personally
said this months ago. I told her, "yep, that's sure what we need --
another Elvis." I think she failed to see the humor in that, but then
again, country music is not generally a forum for self-expression. 
Anyone who knows Nashville will tell you if you want music to be your
ticket to three squares a day, you'd better pitch songs at all these
artists who are eager to let someone else do the "talking".
  Btw, I happen to know Billy Ray Cyrus (since he's from my neck of
the woods, and we were both doin' music stuff locally), and even 
though I think he's been run through the Biz Mill (polish, polish,
grind, grind), he's not a bad guy.
  As for country music in general, you can't escape it here in
eastern Kentucky... but I do my part. For one, I do not own a receiver,
nor a car radio.  :)  Like any other mindless "sonic wallpaper,"
I just don't purposely (or willingly, more often) listen to it. I was
taken aback by one guy a few years ago (some guy named Johnson, I
think) who had a tune out called "That's That," which I would describe
as progressive country. Where is he now?  Probably in the cutout bins,
having been squashed by the Ho-Hum Hoards that are squashing everything
interesting in the U.S. of By God A.

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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Date: Thursday, 30 Jul 1992 18:02:44 CDT
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
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Subject: Re: Ya boneheads!

In article <ALLMUSIC%92073013183461@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>, "Michael Lehnertz
(Drummer)" <TZJ101@URIACC.BITNET> says:

>   Yes, I am the "List Asshole."

....and proving it.

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      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So there. Nyaah.               **
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:12:16 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      country

I was really just kidding about Billy Rae i mean if you like that
that's great (that's what mobile homes are for) sorry it slipped
seriously i can not knock another person's music preference, so i
apologize for knocking yours...sincerely ....L.W.
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:40:20 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      News of the Weird
X-To:         allmusic@american.edu

Researchers in Connecticut, writing in the February Hsopital and Community
Psychiatry, reported that patients in psychiatric wards who constantly watched
MTV suffered psychological deterioration...increased hallucinations,
belligerence and hostility toward staff.

Princeton Univ. finally granted Milton Babbitt's doctoral degree in
mathematics--46 years after it rejected his dissertation on the mathematics of
the 12-tone musical system of modern composers.  The univ. recently concluded
that at the time Babbitt's work was so advanced that no one at Princeton
understood it.  In the ensuing 46 years, Babbitt won a Pulitzer Prize and
developed the first electronic synthesizer.

yuk yuk
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:56:18 EDT
From:         Coleen Gallagher <coleeng@PILOT.NJIN.NET>
Subject:      Re: other groups
X-To:         Discussions on all forms of Music <ALLMUSIC@american.edu>

  I was just wondering, are you subscribed to HELP-NET?  They could tell you
how to start a list.  Here's their address HELP-NET.templevm.bitnet.  Don't
forget to use the listserv command to subscribe (just trying to prevent you
from being flamed).
                    Just in case you want to start a blues list,
                                     Coll
                         coleeng@pilot.njin.net
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:19:54 -0700
From:         Feldstein_Jeff/corp_admin@QCOHP01.QAD.COM
Subject:      Jeff... Bluegrass List
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Thank you . That was a big help.

Jeff
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:16:58 EDT
From:         Coleen Gallagher <coleeng@PILOT.NJIN.NET>
Subject:      Re: crazy thought
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 Who is Billy Ray Cyrus?
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From: ferch@unixg.ubc.ca (Les Ferch)
Subject: Re: Rap
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 06:53:53 GMT


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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:06:50 KST
From:         DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      ALLMUSIC STATUS
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Is ALLMUSIC still alive?  Didn't get but two messages this past weekend!

ROTCOD ZZAJ
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:46:32 EDT
From:         "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB@MITVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      They're creepy and they're kooky

From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Pauline Oliveiros

>MB--thanks very much for that info; I've been wondering a long time about her.
>Could open a whole new can of worms--the musicians who keep the fire going and
>those who fade pretty fast--though there's not much to analyze there; some (the
>few) stay hot and most don't.

Well, *real* composers go through slack periods but come back strong. I really
dislike Stravinsky's "Pulcinella," the piece that unleashed neoclassicism on
the world, and a bunch of the stuff that he wrote at that time was weak. But
some of his later work is just as majestic as the Sacre. (And even some of
the neoclassical material is great; I'm really drawn to "Jeu de Cartes.")

From:         DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      TEST

>Michael, did you say there was something on it's way to me?

Yup, it's some live Curlew from last winter. It includes the Paul Haines songs
they tried to get a major label deal for, to unanimous rejection from the tin-
eared coke addicts/Down's syndrome victims that run America's record industry.

From:         "Play that funky tuba, white boy..." <ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject:      CD Splurgefest III

> Gentle Giant _Three Friends_
>     Just starting to listen to this one. It's not quite what I expected. I'll
>     wait until I hear the whole thing before I say anything.

Did you ever get into this one? I still think this band was one of the most
intelligent things that ever happened to rock music-- this is where I got my
taste for counterpoint.

Also, where did you find Urban Ambience? Newbury Comics?
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:12:23 EDT
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From:         MARGUERITE MCANNALLY <M0MCAN01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Jeff... Bluegrass List

INFORMATION PROCESSOR SR/ADMISSIONS
PHONE:588-6525
If you access lists through LISTSERV, I know the commands.  If you
aren't LISTSERV, the wording is a little different and I don't know
that.  But the bluegrass list is BGRASS-L@UKCC.  (Where else but
U of Kentucky would you expect to find a bluegrass list!!! ;-)

If your system works like U of L's, the command is:

  tell listserv at ukcc sub bgrass-l Your Name


There's also a jazz list    JAZZ-L@TEMPLEVM.

Again, I don't know how similar or different your system is but on
ours, all the BITNET and INTERNET groups known to LISTSERV are
listed on the system.   I printed the BITNET because there is just a one
line entry for each list.  The INTERNET has several paragraphs for each
list and would tie up even one of the printers we hardly ever use for
too long... IF one of us had enough space in personal storage to
print it.
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:02:49 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Nothing important -- I just felt like chatting ...
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              "CV01%SWTEXAS.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU" at Jul 28, 92 10:39 am

1) Thanks for challenging MHB on Hendrix--I didn't dare...
2) Re: the boxes, the antennae, etc.--I like the way you put all this, and what
is REALLY interesting is the way this net is (lately--of course I'm new)
already starting to fragment...the Blues people want their own net (I stand
convicted), the Country people want their own net.... in other words, we all
want to go off into our net-box so we don't have to listen to gibberish from
other planets.  Other than (illegally) copying stuff on tapes to share, the
real problem, as I already said, is getting exposed to a lot of new stuff
without spending a fortune.  This net is great because it does at least get you
thinking in new directions, but without LISTENING, you don't really go
anywhere.
[now I will finish reading the rest of your long post]
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:48:22 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Great Speckled Bird
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              "MCINTYRE%MSUPA.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU" at Jul 28, 92 1:34 pm

p.,s. I mean Hank sang it--I think that's a song older than he was, though.
(I never knew about the group)
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:27:09 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Dave: Reggae
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              M. Geoghegan" at Jul 22, 92 1:03 pm

I guess I qualify as a fraction-reggae-head because I only listen to it
occasionally (mainly Toots and the Maytals): it's the beat that really gets me,
incredibly complex and yet it comes out so "easy"--like Baryshnikov 6 feet into
the air like its nothing.  (There's nothing more painful than hearing a
mediocre band try to imitate a reggae-beat.)  When it's right it gets into your
bloodstream and puts you in a trance.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:01:37 KST
From:         DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      ROCHESTER
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Say, is there anyone on this net livin' in Rochester, NY?  Guy from the
station there (WITR) sent me a card last week, saying they were going to
feature several ZZAJ tunes on there... call 'em up & tell 'em ya' got ZZAJ
fever, eh?

ROTCOD ZZAJ
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:45:57 KST
From:         DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      THANKS MARCO
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Appreciate the info on yer receipt of my package... I'll be lookin' forward
to the letter, & (eventually) yer CD.

Later,

ROTCOD ZZAJ
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:37:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      re: Losing My Religion

>From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>

>How many musicians do you know who "got saved" or found one religion or
>another and all of a sudden their music went to hell?

I would add Peter Green, Jeremy Spencer, and Patti Smith to the list.

Let me suggest that it may not be the finding religion that is the cause
of the artistic decline.  Rather it may be that finding religion *and*
the artistic decline are both responses to some traumatic experience;
e.g. Patti Smith's fall off-stage and Bob Dylan's motorcycle accident.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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From:         alva moore stevenson <ECZ5AMS@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Michelle May Reggae

Shabba is considered dancehall as is Maxi Priest.  They've both "crossed-
over" and are being listened to by the "urban contemporary" crowd as you
noted.
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:02:05 CDT
From:         Lee=Jenkins%Factory=Sup%Mfg=Hou@BANGATE.COMPAQ.COM
Subject:      Re: Losing My Religion
X-To:         AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU!ALLMUSIC@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com

i think it was bob who orginally asked whether "finding religion" took the
edge off an artist's ability to rock n' roll [paraphrased].  last night i
starting thinking about stryper.  their first two albums, _yellow and black
attack_ and _soldiers under command_ were *very* good, hard n' heavy, no-
holds-barred rock n' roll.  at that time their song lyrics were clearly (or
should i say explicitly?) centered around Jesus Christ.  the lyrics since that
time have been somewhat less explicit, but at the same time the music is just
not quite as good as it used to be; there are a couple of songs on _against
the law_ that are pretty good, but the energy and excitement of _soldiers_
just isn't there.

so i'm not sure you can establish any all encompassing cause-effect
relationship.  as it has already been said, artists change musical styles for
all kinds of reasons.  besides, maybe somebody else likes the new stryper
stuff better than the old stuff, and i'm just being a stick in the mud.

lee
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:54:06 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: other groups
              24 Jul 1992 07:43:43 EDT from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

i'm not sure how to start one and i don't think i would have the time
to monitor it (what a cop-out), but if there's not one and no one else
will start one (blues group) i might just have to. with all the blues
fans out here i'm suprised that one hasn't been started yet.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:41:49 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Stipe

i certanily heard of REM and the song i just didn't know the names
Jackson Browne is someone who comes to mind it seems his early stuff
was alot better than the stuff he put out after i started seeing him
on all the for-a-cause-in-another-country event.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:15:28 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      re: Losing My Religion
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              "MCINTYRE%MSUPA.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU" at Jul 30, 92 10:37 am

>
> of the artistic decline.  Rather it may be that finding religion *and*
> the artistic decline are both responses to some traumatic experience;
> e.g. Patti Smith's fall off-stage and Bob Dylan's motorcycle accident.
>
True enough, but when it comes to Dylan, he was crazy/in decline before the
accident.

When it comes to figuring out reasons for artistic decline, there must be an
infinite number of possibles....who's ever to really know (including the artist
him/her self)?
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:48:54 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: scat sininging
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              "Leonard Watkins" at Jul 24, 92 12:07 pm

>
> is "scat singing" the type of singing that Ella does where there are no
> real words just sounds?
>
Yep.  If you like this, try Betty Carter--she's amazing (not just at scat) as a
jazz vocalist.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:04:31 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Gram Parsons

I shocked none of us have mentioned Gram during this country discussion
also the mention of Jerry Lee & Johhny Cash's roots in rock are legit
but the current "new-country" appears to have it's roots too close to
dance/pop music to me.
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:21:44 EDT
From:         Gary Hanley <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>
Subject:      Re: santana phish
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              Jul 22, 92 10:09 am

>Sounds good!  I just hope the singer doesn't open his mouth too often...
>
>Russ

	Does anyone know who is singing on this one? How 'bout it
cmv?
	I know it wasn't one of his most popular albums, but I have to
admit I liked _Zebop_ for the most part, even after reading that
comment about his early '80s stuff.

--
Regards,
    Gary Hanley
<ghanley@dg-webo.webo.dg.com>
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From:         DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      SU-froggin'-PERB, Michael
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As allus, ZZAJ was premature wi' inquiries on th' CURLEW tape.DGad0Q}7.Efs..

Just got it today, in fact, sittin' here in mystudio scopin' it RAGHT now!

THANKS!  Letter to follow... & I couldn't agreemore about turnin' young 'uns
on to SF[
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