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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: USENET Readership Report for rec.arts.startrek.* (from news.lists)
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:58:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.rawdon.721411096
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Nov9.181434.3350@devon.lns.pa.us> paul@devon.lns.pa.us (Paul Sutcliffe Jr.) writes:
>rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>>3) rec.arts.startrek is pretty much dead, with only 94 articles posted to it
>>   in the last month, roughly 1/5 of those being crossposted to other
>>   newsgroups.

>It had better be "pretty much dead," since we voted almost a year ago to
>replace it with rec.arts.startrek.misc.  Why are people still posting to
>it 11 months later?

Probably for many reasons, the most legitimate of which is that a few sites
have decided not to pick up the new groups but still carry the old one, and
their users can't do much about this.  So, if they want to read Star Trek
stuff, they HAVE to post to r.a.s.

(I have also heard that some site admins refuse to honor rmgroup messages,
for whatever reason.)

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"My favorite Star Trek With Jean-Luc episode is the one where some alien
 kills another in the first five minutes and then the crew debates for the
 next 55 minutes about what to do.  My favorite Star Trek With Captain Kirk
 is the same as anyone else's, the one where Kirk, overacting, falls in
 love with a beautiful alien babe, which Sock calls illogical, and where a
 bunch of security guys die.  You know the one?"
							- A friend
From: ch134@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michelle Guydosh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: RE:ADDRESS TO STAR TREK FAN CLUB
Date: 5 Nov 1992 22:29:41 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Star Trek: The Official Fan Club
P.O.Box 111000
Aurora, CA 80011
Daniel H. Madsen, presiodent

source: "THE ADDRESS BOOK HOW TO REACH ANYONE WHO IS ANYONE"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.marketplace,rec.arts.sf.misc
From: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon)
Subject: Re: Questions about novel submission...
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:01:07 GMT


    Just wanted to post a quick apology for posting my previous article
    to sf.marketplace and sf.written.  Those were probably not appropriate
    newsgroups for my query.
        	        	       	       	       	       	       	       
                                                               - Max

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From: sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: The God Thing
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:06:17 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

dmswitze@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu  writes:
> Hi there. There was going to be a book called "The God Thing" by Gene 
> Roddenbery and Michael Jan Friedman, but it was cancelled.
> Three questions: What was it about, why was it cancelled, and is there any
> chance it will ever be published?
> 
> Dave
> 

It was cancelled because the title sounded too much like
something Bush would say.

Steve
--
Roses are red, 
Violets are blue.
I'm a schizophrenic
And so am I.                   
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard)
Subject: Re: Warp speeds 
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:32:29 GMT

lensbs@jec315.its.rpi.edu (Sean Erik Lensborn) writes:

>klignon ships going warp 12 in the older episodes and movies 
>going?
>				sean

means the hell this says what?
From: debell@ERE.UMontreal.CA (De Bellefeuille Andre)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Autocad files of the Enterprise
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:36:53 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

If such a file exists, why not simply post it.  There seems to be
enough interest on the net for it.

Andre De Bellefeuille
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: FTP SITE:  Announcing Vidiot's STTNG Guide... !NOT,  well, not really a NOT, more of a DARN CLOSE!
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:19:56 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Nov9.222631.18960@coe.montana.edu> osyjm@cs.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen) writes:
<
<
<Close... So very close.
<
<There's a problem with the UK format of the guides, and I'm going to wait
<for Vidiot to get it straightened out before putting it up for FTP.
<
<Of course, it could be me that's hosing it up, but I'll let Vidiot do the
<debugging via email... 

Debugging has found the problem and a fix has been sent to Jaye.  I don't know
why I never saw it in the first place.  In any event I was able to duplicate
the problem very easily and found an undocumented file that groff uses that
needed changing.

As Jaye's posting implies, the troff sources and the PostScript output support
TWO versions of the guide.  One for US letter paper and one for European A4
paper.  The troff sources are groff only compatible.

<Retreivals of the guide have skyrocketed, from 40 some MB's / day to well over
<100...  As such, I will probably have to impose strict limits on ftp during
<my work day...  Haven't decided how strict yet...

The guide is still popular, even after the release of the Paramount version.
Interesting.

Thanks to Jaye for making the guide available to all who want it.
-- 
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Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.humor
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 13:51:51 -0500 
From: Jason Paul Togyer <jt3y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Kirk's Middle Name -- now it CAN be told!
	<1992Nov5.223002.11669@u.washington.edu>

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

I don't even like Star Trek (no flames, for chrissake) and I know the answer!

It's Tiberius!  It was in "The Making of Star Trek," a paperback book
published in the '60s, and I believe written by Roddenberry himself.

So there. 8-P

--Jason Togyer
     Carnegie Institute of Technology
     Pittsburgh, Penn.

**"The moral of the story is: don't count your boobies before they've hatched."
       --James Thurber
            'THE UNICORN IN THE GARDEN'
From: max@west.darkside.com (Erik Max Francis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Aanimated episodes
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:15:43 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

ault@engin.umich.edu (Matthew Ault) writes:

> Not having seen any of them since they were on back in 74/75 or whenever,
> I had no idea what to expect.  Man, are they pathetic!  At least so far.
> Sci-Fi has been showing them in order, so I've only seen the first five
> episodes they may get better, but I'm not holding my breath.
> (Actually, More Tribbles, More Troubles was *mildly* amusing.)

The only one I remember is "The Slaver Weapon," which was written by 
Larry Niven after his short story "The Soft Weapon."  That's how the
kzinti got into the Star Trek Universe.  I found that one to be very 
good.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: osyjm@cs.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen)
Subject: FTP SITE:  Announcing Vidiot's STTNG Guide... !NOT,  well, not really a NOT, more of a DARN CLOSE!
Organization: CS
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:26:31 GMT



Close... So very close.

There's a problem with the UK format of the guides, and I'm going to wait
for Vidiot to get it straightened out before putting it up for FTP.

Of course, it could be me that's hosing it up, but I'll let Vidiot do the
debugging via email... 

So look for the announcement in r.a.s.i, I may post something here as well.

Retreivals of the guide have skyrocketed, from 40 some MB's / day to well over
100...  As such, I will probably have to impose strict limits on ftp during
my work day...  Haven't decided how strict yet...

Also, due to the guide coming out soon, the full revisions of the 509 stuff
will be removed, inorder to avoid printing it twice.

Some Notes on the new guide:

1)  It is a full release, there is not, nor will there ever be patches to
update 509 to 600.

2)  It's veddy veddy nice.  Everybody send Vidiot some email thanking him for
his effort...
-- 
 Jaye Mathisen, COE Systems Manager                (406) 994-4780
 410 Roberts Hall,Dept. of Computer Science
 Montana State University,Bozeman MT 59717	osyjm@cs.montana.edu
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: McCoy ad
Date: 9 Nov 92 05:04:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Nov8.220458.3802
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <1992Nov9.030712.5714@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>
jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:

>In article <mumble> tiverson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thor Iverson) writes:
>
>>I was startled out of homework last night by the sound of DeForest
>>Kelley (oh, I _know_ I misspelled that, but unless you want a
>>screen full of ^H's then just ignore it) saying, "I'm an actor,
>>not a doctor!" on some TV ad.  Anyone else seen this?  What's it
>>for?
>
>The commercial is for the game Trivial Pursuit, which is celebrating
>some anniversary this year.  What that has to do with De Kelly I don't
>know as I've only seen the end of the commercial where he says the
>line.
>
>
>
>-- 
>Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)                               /|
>jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)           o| |-
>"I'd be apathetic if I cared."                              /| \|


DeForest (McCoy) was asked something like how many chambers the human heart
has, or some other medical question from the game, to which he replied,
"How should I know? I'm an Actor, not a Doctor!" which was just the opposit
of his famous "...I'm a doctor, not a...." tag lines from TOS...

Dave
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From: v076r95v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (The Nature Boy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: TNG mud game??
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:35:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Does anyone know of an existing mud game that features the world of
Star Trek, TNG?  If so, can someone please e-mail me the address and what I
need to do to get registered?  Thanks a lot!
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From: ault@engin.umich.edu (Matthew Ault)
Subject: Re: Aanimated episodes
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 13:32:45 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Nov8.060753.22615@csus.edu> vcsc1169@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Ruth Anne Ladue) writes:
>The Star Trek animated series can be seen on the Sci-Fi channel. I think
>they package it with a whole bunch of other animated stuff on Saturday
>mornings, but check your local listings for the exact time.

TAS is on the Sci-Fi channel at 9:30am EST Sunday mornings.

Not having seen any of them since they were on back in 74/75 or whenever,
I had no idea what to expect.  Man, are they pathetic!  At least so far.
Sci-Fi has been showing them in order, so I've only seen the first five
episodes they may get better, but I'm not holding my breath.
(Actually, More Tribbles, More Troubles was *mildly* amusing.)

I wouldn't be watching them at all, except that I have blank sections of
tape at the end of my TOS and TNG tapes and I'm using TAS to fill them up.

-matt


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From: mfd@aber.ac.uk (Margaret Frances Disbury)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Kirk's Middle Name
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:15:03 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Nov3.015312.25046@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> markc@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU writes:
>
>
>>The tombstone in TOS "Where No Man Has Gone Before" showed a name of James
>>R. Kirk.  Perhaps in some (obviously inferior) alternate universe, Kirk's
>>middle name *is* Roy, and not the name of Caligula's father.
>
>Caligula's father was Germanicus, not Tiberius.
>
>>CJW
>
>Mark C.

His biological father was indeed Germanicus but Caligula was adopted by
Tiberius (Germanicus' father's brother) as his son (along with C's cousin 
Gemellus) prior to 'inheriting' a theoretically non-inheritable monarchy.

If you read Robert Graves "I, Claudius" and "Claudius the God" there's a lot
of this adoption about.  SOP for a beleaguered ruling class.

Fran
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: tdlowe01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Tony D. Lowe)
Subject: Re: News from Hawaii trek convention
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:00:19 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc

In article <1deik4INNq4f@agate.berkeley.edu>, margo@olomana.soest.hawaii.edu writes:
> As for STTNG, Majel says that we can count on 8 seasons of tv before production of
> theatrical releases begins. She hinted that not all crew members would continue

What's this preoccupation everyone has about assuming that TNG must go into
theatrical releases as soon as the TV series ends?  Why would it? 
Presumably, when the series ends, it will be because the ratings have fallen
off.  Or the producers feel the they have done all they can do and want to
quit while they are ahead.  Like the MASH or FAMILY TIES people did, for
example.

In either case, I can't see the logic in producing movies.  When the first
TOS movie went into production the world was thirsting for more Trek.  And
now we have it in abundance with TOS, TOS movies, TNG and soon the soon to
come DS9.

It's just not logical.
-- 

  Tony D. Lowe, The HapMaster  BITNET:   tdlowe01@ulkyvx.bitnet
  University of Louisville     INTERNET: tdlowe01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
            "Another brilliant mind ruined by higher education."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: bbrett@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Betsy Brett)
Subject: ST: TNG Episode Guide wanted!
Summary: ST: TNG Guide wanted
Keywords: ST: TNG guide
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:20:24 GMT


I do not subscribe to this group (gotta figure out my system a bit
first) so please do not post replies unless you want to complain behind
my back!  If anyone has a copy of the Star Trek: The Next Generation
Episode Guide, preferably with airdates, but not necessarily, please
send to my below address.  It would be very much appreciated!

-Betsy Brett-
bbrett@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
From: mueller@cage.eng.mcmaster.ca (Edna Mueller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: A Question.
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:18:33 GMT
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada

Hi:
I just started watching Star Trek: The Next Generation and 
I'm new to the net and I have a question.

Is O'Brien, the trasportor operator, an officer or
an enlisted person?  His pips keep changing.










NO, NO, don't answer that!
It was a joke, do not reply, do not post!
Forget that you even saw this.

 (ducking for cover)

JOKE! JOKE! JOKE! JOKE! JOKE! JOKE! JOKE! JOKE! JOKE! JOKE!
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Don't you hate it when a subject has just been beaten to
death and laid to rest and then someone starts it all over 
again?

				Schmeby
					    mueller@cage.eng.mcmaster.ca
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Paramount/Trek article...
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 11:40:01 GMT


There is a pretty nice seven-page article about Paramount and Star Trek
in the November issue of "California Business" magazine...  It does not
have a lot of story-related news, but there are some interesting notes
on the past, present, and future of the show.

Here are a few facts:

Paramount's annual first-run TNG gross advertising revenues are about
$90 million, with production costs in the $31.2 - $36.4 million range.

Net annual advertising profits are between $30 and $60 million,
not even counting the $70 million+ in licensing and affiliate
station fees.  DSN will carry an even higher profit margin.

The six Trek films have grossed over $500 million to date...

ST merchandising brings in another half-billion dollars annually.

Last years Trek video sales were over 10 million units...

TNG airs in 217 markets, with a 99% national coverage.  Weekly viewership
is in the 20 million range, bringing in the most desirable of demographics.

DSN has so far been cleared in 200 markets...

-dean

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: mbecke69@ursa.calvin.edu (Mark Becker)
Subject: Re: Aanimated episodes
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:25:28 GMT

ronb@cc.usu.edu writes:

>	I've heard quite a bit about the animated episodes of star trek from
>all over the place and was wondering if anyone had any idea where Ii could cet
>my hands on copies of them.

>	 "Time well spent is a waste indeed."
>		 sniggerfardimungus
>	     	in%"ronb@cc.usu.edu"
>	 The usual disclaimers apply anywhere 
>              you can find a sticky spot.


They are available on videotape at the better video stores, and they have been
converted to novel form by Alan Dean Foster as the "Star Trek Logs" vol. 1-x,
available at the better book stores.


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*   Mark "Kickback" Becker      *    "With friends like these . . .          *
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From: jrjj@moscom.com (Jad Jordan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: How to Host a Murder ST:TNG version
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:49:50 GMT
Organization: Moscom Corporation, Pittsford NY

In article <1992Nov3.220016.5153@colorado.edu> fielden@spot.Colorado.EDU (j. a. fielden) writes:
>
> Well I happened to be wandering through Price Club the other day and
>happened upon a bunch of How to Host a Murder kits. 
>
>Among them was one for ST:TNG. Has anyone hosted this? Is it worth
>buying? 

Well, I bought it (at a much higher price unfortunately) and played it Halloween
weekend.

You must have a group of eight people - 4 males and 4 females to take the roles
of Riker, Geordi, Worf, Data, Troi, Beverly, Guinan and Ro. The guests act in
character all night. You can make it as close to the show if you want, with
costumes and props, or you can just sit around with beer and pizza. The mystery
can get a little complicated, and can be difficult to figure out, but that is
what a mystery is about right? The characters read information about other
characters, while trying not to divulge what they were really doing. For 
example, Data will know that Beverly made a mysterious trip to the transporter
room, but he doesn't want anyone else to know he spent five hours downloading
information from the computer.

The plot: The eight members of the away team (including Guinan - how suspicious)
retrieved a mysterious object and returned it to the Enterprise. But the
object has disappeared! Seeing as how this was a secret mission, and only
Picard, a Starfleet Admiral, and the eight members of the away team knew about
the object or where it was located on the Enterprise, who could have done it?
Does the fact the planet where the object was found is located dangerously
close to the Neutral Zone and the fact that the Romulans have expressed a great
interest in the object have anything to do with its disappearance? How about
the lapse in computer memory, the shuttle and probe launched at exactly the
same time, and the mysterious archeologist Dr. Rom Eulan?

Pretty fun if you like ST:TNG and mysteries.

-Jad
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Paramount ST:TNG Press Release - #234: A Fistful of Datas
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:42:23 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <spainhou.721449429@willow.cs.scarolina.edu>, spainhou@cs.scarolina.edu (Keith Spainhour) writes:

>>This is a CLEAR sign that it's time for a new series when all they can think
>>of are holodeck or "Q" fantasies.

>>Terry "I think I'm gonna be ill" Wood

>>PS: Maybe LOST IN SPACE really WAS better!

> 	Sorry, but except for Q-pid, I thought the Q episodes were some 
> of the better TNG shows. :-)

Isn't *that* a sad commentary.  I think they use Q when one of the writers
come up with a good holodeck episode, but they can't think of a reason why
the entire crew is in the holodeck again.

Terry
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From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: Klingon Trivia
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:54:47 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

S_SCHOLL@iravcl.ira.uka.de (|S| Harald Scholl) writes:
>Sameone said that the name of the Klingon Homeworld is Kronos
>Correct my if i`m wrong but i thought the name was Klinshai or samething
>the like.I look it up in me collection of StarTrek books

In ST6, the President of the UFP is discussing plans for the
evacuation of "Kronos" in his speech before the peace conference on
Khitomer.  Of course, this doesn't establish that Kronos is the
homeworld, but it does suggest this.

The books aren't canon.  If some book author decides that the Klingon
homeworld is named Klinshai or Krouton or anything else, the fact that
Paramount approved it for publication doesn't mean they accept that
author's name for the planet.
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                  jwindley@asylum.cs.utah.edu
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