From: art@world.std.com (Al Thompson)
Subject: Re: Was Clinton a Moral Draft Dodger?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
	<ART.92Sep7125628@world.std.com> <las80gINNt4i@spim.mips.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:11:16 GMT

In article <las80gINNt4i@spim.mips.com> mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:

   Al Thompson) writes:
   |> In article <1992Sep7.161635.10593@cbnews.cb.att.com> jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
   |> 
   |> That's funny, I'm a Republican and work in party politics from time to
   |> time and the only "litmus test" I've encountered is the liberalism issue.
   |> Liberalism is contrary to the party philosophy, so a liberal has no place
   |> in the Republican party.  If the liberal wants to join a political party
   |> there's one just down the street more in keeping with such views.
   |> 
   Is that the same republican party that met in Houston last month?  Not that
   they didn't make adequate use of the word Liberal (which they neglected t
   define) by there were plenty of carefully stated definitions of who belonged
   and who didn't.  Is there some other definition of litmus test?

Yes, like Clinton's statement that he won't appoint any judges who are
not pro choice.

   |> Why is factually reporting on Slick Willie's record a vile emanation?
   |> The truth is a vile emanation?  I suppose it is if you're Bill Clinton.
   |> 
   |> One of the things I can't stand about the liberals is their claiming
   |> "negative campaigning" when you quote their own words.  Again, the "bimbo
   |> eruptions" was a quote from a high ranking Clinton campaign aide.  The
   |> liberals know this, yet they consistently stand there and act as if
   |> Matalin made it up.  This year's contenders for the Josef Goebbels prize.
   |> 
   Clintons aide said they were preparing for Republican attacks such as "bimbo
   eruptions."  If he had said that they were preparing for being called liars,
   should mad madelin extract the word "liars" and apply that to clinton?

Yes, she should have.  Frankly I have no quarrel with using a candidate's
own words against him.  BTW the "bimbo eruptions" was a quote based on
their own experience with a "bimbo erupting".

   |> No, it's not the draft issue any more than the marijuana smoking issue.
   |> It's the fact he lied about these things.  "I didn't inhale."  What a
   |> laugh as anybody under the age of about 98 can tell you.

   I'll agree it was a funny comment (grant you the "laugh") but there is no
   data to suggest it was a lie.  There are many people who similarly "smoked"
   cigarettes who didn't inhale.  You'd like to believe it was a lie, you
   are even welcome to believe it is a lie, but that doesn't make it a
   lie.

Jeeeezzzuuuussss.  What a laugh.  You know I really love when all those
pols who grew up in the '60s "tried it but didn't like it".  I too grew
up in the '60s and most everybody I knew smoked the stuff and loved it.

   |> 
   |> There was a very interesting article in Sunday's Boston Globe about how
   |> Clinton had his uncle and a close friend of his uncle's (a living retired
   |> judge) work all their political contacts to get Slick into the Naval
   |> reserve.  The Judge said he was a bit miffed when, after all their work
   |> and expenditure of political capital, Slick said no.  The Judge also said
   |> that Slick was considered a real political comer, even at that young age,
   |> and a lot of influential people in Arkansas were working overtime to keep
   |> him out of the draft.

   I didn't hear anything to suggest that "Clinton had his uncle and a close
   friend of his uncle's" do anything.  The fact that he turned down the results
   of their work suggest to me that they did it without his knowledge and he
   refused to accept the favor.  This is a much better fit with the facts.

You should read the article before you invent what it said.  His uncle's
friend, Judge Hill said that Slick knew all about it but refused the
offer when he found another way out.

   |> 
   |> It's not Viet Nam, it's the fact that Slick Willie is a liar and only
   |> fesses up as facts dribble out.

   Please tell us how you wonderful lie detector works, as you seem to have
   knowledge that only exists in Clinton's own mind.  It also seems to be
   selective,  only identifying lies convienient to the Bush campaign.  Does
   it also point out the Republican lies about Hillary Clinton's statements,
   Clinton's tax increase/decrease record, Bush's arms-for-hostage statements,
   etc?

Again, read the article.  It quite clearly demonstrates that Slick knew
and never revealed it until it started coming out.  It also demonstrates
that he only fessed up to those parts that came out as they came out.

Hillary did say those things you know.

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