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From: weaver@jetsun.weitek.COM (Michael Gordon Weaver)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Advice-Summer romance
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:41:48 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <BvM0t3.D5@mach1.wlu.ca> maci9154@mach1.wlu.ca (macivor dawna) writes:
[ A romance blooms in summer, fades in the fall. ]

Dawna:

    I am sorry to hear things haven't worked out the way you wanted. I
think from what you said that you have done all you can under the
circumstances.  It sounds like he has decided to go back to his old
girlfriend and doesn't have the guts to tell you that.  If he does not
tell you what is on his mind, there is no way to force it out of him.

    If you really think he is special, you can watch and see if he
leaves his girlfriend. Then you could start trying to get him back.
But if he didn't have the nerve to tell you he was going back to his
girlfriend, I wouldn't advise it, because you would be making a major
sacrifice for him when it sounds like he has little respect for you.

    The best thing to do to stop you thinking about him is to get on
with your life. Concentrate on the present and your immediate
surroundings, and you won't worry as much about what is far away, in
the past or in the future. You enjoyed your time with him, but you
don't need him around to enjoy yourself. You can enjoy a relationship
with someone else, and you can enjoy life without a serious
relationship.  Life is too short to wait for others to take care of
you. If they are available, make the most of them, but if they aren't,
don't stop moving forward.


Peace,
Michael.
From: p00139@psilink.com (Raistlin Majere)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Long Distance Romance... Problem
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:49:42 GMT
Organization: Tower of High Sorcery - Palanthas
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   24 Sep 92 03:44:45 GMT
>FROM:   gcv2010@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
>
>In article <g92h7147.29.717189474@giraffe.ru.ac.za>, g92h7147@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR GR HUTCHISON) writes:
>>
>>* What comes first... carrer? Or love?
>>
>Depends on the person.  In my vast experience :) , men choose their careers and
>women choose love.  Obviously, this doesn't hold true for everyone, but it is
>what I have seen.

	Wrong. I chose love - she got scared and chose career(school).
	
	It boils down to one thing - human beings are simply a higher
	animal and will always opt for the selfish possiblities in 
	any given scenario.

	Three words sum up the female species:
		
			Capriciousness, Treachery, Duplicity.

*****************************************************************************
		"In my eyes, reflected, the death of all
		 the world.........the torment of all
		 humanity....."
*****************************************************************************
		Raistlin Majere @ Tower of High Sorcery 
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From: keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I desperately need you help!  Help me keep this love alvive!
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:35:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: California-Nevada Methodist Homes

In article <1992Sep28.144355.26740@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> daw@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Dave Webb) writes:
>I desperately need some help and advice.  I have been dating a Jewish girl
>Florida.  The problem we are now facing is her parents.  They are conservative
>jews and forbid her to date non-jews.  Well, too late for that.  The problem we
>"I'd throw you out of the house"  (She is 24 and is living with her parents
>is forced to make is between her parents and myself.  She has already told me 
>that she can't give up her parents because they've always been there for her

Well, this one is so obvious, although it won't be easy.  It is
time to move on.  Even if you decide to keep seeing each other
and even marry in spite of her family, there will always be that
friction because of the fact that she had to give up her family 
for you.  You don't want to alienate the girl from her parents,
no matter how backward their thinking is.  They are the only
parents she has, and in addition, I get the feeling that her 
sisters aren't all that thrilled with the situation either.  So
she would probably be losing her sisters as well.  No, Give it
up.  There are PLENTY of women out there.  Your better off without
the controversy.  
--Keith
From: pa_ross@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (Mr Rossy)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Some advice please...
Date: 3 Oct 92 12:37:38 GMT
Organization: Bristol Polytechnic, England

In article <2OCT92.18104510@vax.clarku.edu> lkurtz@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>Is it just bad luck that every time I meet someone I am interested in, and      they treat me really nice, and then for no reason that I can think of, treat    me like s**t?  How can I change this?

Tell them :-

"Inheriting eight million dollars doesn't mean much when you have a weak
heart (Lung, kidney anything will do)"

Works every time for me!

					 Paul
					=----=
Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.couples,soc.singles
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: Help with Wedding site selection
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 01:29:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba

In article <f7!p4dp.rfelix@netcom.com> rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix) writes:
>
>Hello there!
>
>My fiance and I are looking for a place for a wedding and reception
>for Valentine's Day. We are not religious and would strongly prefer a
>non-church location. Because the wedding is in February, the weather
>seems to require an indoor setting.
>
>If you have any ideas I would be eternally grateful if you would
>e-mail them to me!
>
>Thanks so much,
>
>rf

Hello again!

We live in Redwood City and would strongly prefer somewhere between
Palo Alto and San Fransisco. Woodside, Portola Valley, Palo Alto,
Menlo Park, San Mateo are good. Sorry to have left this info out the
first time around!
rf
From: mlb@CISCO.COM (Marcia Bednarcyk)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Long Distance Romance... Problem
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:42:20 GMT

In article <g92h7147.29.717189474@giraffe.ru.ac.za>, g92h7147@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR GR HUTCHISON) writes:
|> * Do you think we will survive apart? 

It depends...on you, your SO, and your committment to making it work. Not 
to seeing if it will work out, but to deciding together that it *will* work,
and then doing what is necessary to make it so. The more I see, the more I
realize that relationships that work do so because both people want them to 
and are going to make them.

|> * What comes first... carrer? Or love?

That's something you have to decide. But don't write off finding a way to
juggle the two.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marcia Bednarcyk                                        ADDRESS: mlb@cisco.com
"Sweaty Snugglebunnies."
"... the meaning of life is to be happy, try not to hurt people, and hope
you fall in love."
Hey, is anyone seeing this?
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: glen@pandora.sdsu.edu (Glen)
Subject: RAIN, A gift to alt.romance...  was: Romantic Moods
Summary: poem
Keywords: rain life love
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:46:05 GMT


I won't waste time on the story of how the following came about,
or what it's meaning is.  I'll just start by posting it to the
group.  This was written entirely by me, with the exception of
an interlude which I have (sadly) lost, and will be posted in
sections over the next week or so.

I hope you enjoy it.

                             Rain

Another night comes.  The rain falls quietly down through
  the trees.  Through the open window, gentle night winds
  bring the memory of another place and time.  A place where
  the cool winds were always there, and the rain always
  gentle.

In the darkened room, he sits alone, remembering.  Far from
  his native home, he lives each day alone, separated from the
  peaceful time and quiet friends he once knew.  Here, it is
  always too cold, or too hot... too dry, or too humid.  It
  is different enough that he can avoid the memories, for
  short periods of time...

And why did he come here?  At the time, he felt he had to.
  Now, he does not know.  Maybe, had there been a 
  way...but he is here, now, and, although he survives
  from day to day, that thing called happiness - no - peace...
  has been out of his life for too long...

As were his friends.  There were friends, here, but he was
  different, and they all knew it.  What was the difference?
  He did not know, exactly.  It was an attitude.  He used to
  be as they are still, but his life was touched, and, in the
  touching, changed.  It was plain to him that, here, he did
  not belong.  It was time to go home.

The rain continues.  There was/will be someone in his life. 
  There are pieces of her in others, but they are never *her*.
  Her appearance would not come to his mind, but he had
  been able to *feel* her presence somewhere along his
  timeline.  Still, the feeling was faint... distant.  And
  now, he was getting ready to go *home*.  Would she be there? 
  Or be gone...

Memories... other people and other times.  There had been 
  those for whom he would have turned aside, dropped his ties
  to his idea of home and stayed in this place, knowing that
  having a companion would have been enough.  But
  companion, to him, had an added meaning of time... yet
  they were gone almost before time itself.

Life.  It is the ultimate human experience.  There will always
  be people, and friends.  The rain will fall, here, and the
  cold will continue.  Where will his life go now???

To be continued...
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Brilliant, eccentric women? (Was: Nice Guys?)
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner)
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:54:33 EST

p00056@psilink.com (Faustus) writes:
> >boserj@netcom.com (Jeffrey Boser) writes:
> >>
> >>Im not sure this has anything to do with the original thread, but
> >>I know *many* more brilliant, ecentric, men than I do women.  
> >>Has anybody else noticed this?  
> 
> Well, you are right I've noticed this affliction.. Women have been 
> condition by cultural influences to keep them in the secondary role.
> Maybe a generation of two down the road may become enlightened 
> enough to permit us to be ourselves.. Has any one seen my mask..

i'm not sure i agree with the "cultural influences" thing. while they
do exist, there -are- differences between the sexes. (ain't it great?)
you might try looking up Camille Paglia's books on the subject. people
tend to either love or hate her (i'm one of the former) but at very least
she is a thought-provoking and humorous read.

one of the things she points out is that there have been many more 
male artists, composers and architects and serial killers who are
considered "great" in their fields than women. (and she does recognize
the importance of culture.) the general trend is that men are more 
obsessive than women, just what Jeffery Boser was commenting on.

jason "just another testosterone-laden male" steiner

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Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: cotera@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: What do you want from us?
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:03:12 GMT

I think what might help us guys is if you women would tell us what you're
looking for.
--Ray
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: witters@eskimo.celestial.com (John Witters)
Subject: Re: What do you want from us?
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:37:34 GMT

>In article <1992Sep29.130312.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, cotera@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>
>> I think what might help us guys is if you women would tell us what you're
>> looking for.
>
In article <1992Sep30.085356.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> dayrton@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>
>Oh, I agree, but do you suppose that one of the reasons that they don't is that
>they've found that when they do tell us what they want we run for the hills?  

I write:

Yeah, I heard a female comedian tell how she breaks up with guys she doesn't
like.  The routine goes something like this:

	Bob, I love you.
	I wanna get married.
	I wanna have your children.

She claims most guys leave skid marks because they run away so fast.

-John

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Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: hf10@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (FieryPhoenix)
Subject: Re: LOVE conquers all
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date:  3 Oct 92 04:27:57 GMT

My SO is very far away also.  I don't know the mileage, but it takes me 3 1/2
hours to get there by car.  It is quite hard to resist the urge to drive
there, but neither my grades nor my wallet can afford it.  Most of my money
goes to AT&T also.
     I try and have the same philosophy as you, that if it's meant to be, it's
meant to be.  I'd also like to think that our love is strong enough to
conquer the distance.  I do believe that.
     We have the best time when we're together.  Every moment is precious,  
and a lot of time we spend together is filled with romantic walks and talking
together.
     Don't LDR's just make life difficult?  It's worth it though.

-FP
From: cl129501@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Definition: female jerks
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:12:33 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Sep24.181758.9868@bsu-ucs.uucp>, 01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp (Rebel without a clue.) writes:

> 	Just some of my opinions on jerks of the female variety.  I do believe,
> however; that the guy jerks are a more severe problem.  I also do believe that
> there are more guy jerks than female jerks.
> 

I have to disagree with you there.  I think the tables must be turned here.  In
other words, female jerks are just as severe a problem (if not more) as male
jerks are.  And besides . . . why are us nice non-greek guys inable to find
women these days?

Maybe female non-jerks are out there somewhere -- I just haven't had the time
to find them yet . . .

-- Darren
   
Xref: sparky alt.romance:12232 alt.romance.chat:19092
From: feliccia@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Nicholas J Feliccia)
Newsgroups: alt.romance,alt.romance.chat
Subject: SUCCESS STORIES!
Date: 3 Oct 92 18:26:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Originator: feliccia@rodan.acs.syr.edu

.
.
.
 HEY THERE.

There has been a lot of discussions here that begin

"I met a girl over the net and moved to be with her and blah blah
blah and always end up with a broken heart."


Well, I wanna hear som SUCCESS STORIES!

Did you meet your SO on the net, and get engaged, or married,
and live happily so far.

If so. Then tell me. Reply to EMAIL as I like getting mail, and
don't want to wade through a 1000 'Nice Guys' posts.


Nick
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: pi@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Raymond L. Gilbert)
Subject: Re: Nice Guys?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 22:32:55 GMT

In article <NEV.92Sep22095334@bonsai6.bnr.co.uk> nev@bnr.co.uk (Neil Vince) writes:
>1. Will anyone own up to being a Jerk?
Probably... see the other responses on that one.

>2. Is every bloke on this net a 'nice guy'?
No, but I think there are a higher percentage of nice guys who are
sitting here reading alt.romance instead of making their own romance.

>3. Do all you nice guys have the same problem?
I don't know if all NGs have the same problem, other than the fact that
we all have trouble getting dates.  I personally have worked hard to
make sure women don't call me "nice"--the end result is that I get
called "weird" by every woman I meet.  A refreshing change from nice,
but it doesn't tend to help me get dates any more often.

>4. How many blokes are there in this group that have 'nice guy'
>   syndrome
I do.  That's probably why I'm at my computer responding to this on a
Sat night instead of out, because I couldn't find a date for this week.

>5. Any blokes not have it.
Yup... see above.
>6. Any blokes think they suffer from 'nice guy syndrome' (ngy) but
>   it's just because they are just unlikeable (whatever you want to
>   think here).
Yes... I think self confidence does play a big role here. It is tough to
have a lot of self condifence when you experience so much rejection in
your life.  And what's worse--it is a positive reinforcment, because the
more rejection I recieve, the more I am likely to hesitate before asking
someone else out.  It is tough to hear the words of rejection in your
face all the time.

>7. Is life really that bad for you all?
Well, life can be quite lonely if you can't find someone to share your
feelings, hopes, desires, thoughts, and fears.  I dunno.. maybe you
already have an SO and don't have to worry about it, or maybe you don't
and don't care.  Either way, if you do want a serious relationship with
someone, and can't find one, it can be quite depressing.
-- 
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| pi@indiana.edu           |  area is entirely wrong..."                     |
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Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.couples
From: virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (Paul Virgo)
Subject: SWF's & SBM's - Does Society Worry Way Too Much???
Summary: Sure,it's been done to death,but....
Keywords: Mixed Dating. Jungle Fever. Love is Colorblind...
Organization: Metters Industries, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:34:07 GMT

Well, they say love makes the world go around,and ocassionally,it makes
people from different worlds go round' and round' together...

You have white females going *gaga* over hispanic males...white males
crooning songs of love to blushing black females...asian females reading
love poetry to smitten black males...and it goes on and on...

BUT...

For some reason, when it comes to the coupling of black males/white females,
more alarms and klaxons go off than during an attempted break-in at the NSC
building. It's the stuff that die-hard,white supremacists insist is tearing
at the fabric and polluting the "good,true Americans of this God-fearing land"
whilst Afro-Americans say that it'll muddle the race and keep the people
down and mixed-up...

So,you ask,what's yer point?? Well, I guess I'm curious as to why so MUCH
vehemence to lovers of the aforementioned category??? I guess we could put
slavery in it,true,but now here we are in 1992...could it be much more???

Plus, I personally don't think that if we were to count numbers,we'd find
that many SWF/SBM couples as we are led to believe. I think the mixtures
of the other races would be more prolific. Then, I may be wrong. Those
of you who are SWF/SBM and have been in a realtionship with the other,
any feedback on why you may have felt so persecuted(if ya did)...


I ask because yesterday I was with a friend sitting in an eatery,and we
saw different mixed-race couples walk along and most folks didn't even give
a flinch...but when the few SWF/SBM couples would walk by..boy, the stares
and hard looks abounded. We kinda' looked at each other with a 'so-why-just
flip-on-these-folks?'.

oh well, I'll now shut up. I leave the floor open to informative(though
quick)discussion.

curious virgo
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curious virgo
Metters Industries
Arlington, VA 22202
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: to post penises or not to post penises?
From: cwes1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Clare West)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:23:13 GMT
Organization: Dept of CompSci, U of Auckland

bakerb@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Bryan W Baker ) writes:
>I'm new to this, so bear with me.

ok.

>In response to those people who are avidly opposed to others posting 
>letters dealing with various sex related topics; they should realize that 
>in numerous areas (namely colleges, and certian companies) the powers that 
>be simply do not allow access to alt.sex or any of its' genre.  There are
>several such accounts here that don't allow access to those newsgroups.
>In fact, several of my close associates didn't realize that the was a
>news group alt.sex.  

That is true, however arguments like that, when extrapolated suggest we
shouldn't have newsgroups at all, just one big group. If you don't get
a newsgroup and want it, you should try and find someone to get it from.
you might, for example, be able to find someone who will digest the 
group and mail it to you. There is a problem with this if you pay for
incoming mail (as I do) but most of the world is not so primitive. With
such a big group like alt.sex there is bound to be somebody archiving it
or piping it to a mailing list.

>So, while it might be annoying at times to wade through all the sex talk 
>to get to the romance parts; at least your fortunate enough to have access
>to all, or most, of the newsgroups... AND if you don't like reading about
>penises (or is it peni ) then don't.  There is always 'n'.

I have no objection to reading about penises, I'd just rather not do it
on alt.romance. I'm adding articles crossposted to alt.sex to my kill
file (when I remember how to do it) so I'll be able to keep the two
newsgroups seperate.

all MHO of course

clare

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