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From: Tim.Weaver@f628.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Tim Weaver)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.tech
Subject: Tech Prep Upload
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 19:47:01 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:712/628 - Education Database, Sydney University

I am looking forward to receiving the material coming via mail. It 
sounds as though you are heavely involved with the development of 
technology education. I ahve looked through the BBS files list and 
could not find a K12net files area. I spoke to my sysop and he said 
that files being uploaded coming in from oveseas can take a while, 
hopefully it may come through into another files area. Thanks for 
your continuing effort and concern about the transferal of this 
material, I know that it will be very resourceful to me. 
In relation to our syllabuses here in Australia we have had the 
introduction of a Design and Technoloy subject. It has many 
objectives to be achieved and they are to be evaluated through 
perceived outcomes, the outcomes though are numerous and of course 
during the time the subject is to be taught every child is not able 
to be closely observed. Therefore the assessment of the outcomes is 
practically impossible. I guess you have found this problem in your 
schools, or maybe not. How do you assess technology subjects, is it 
through the observation of outcomes outlined by objectives?
I hope you don't mind my curiosity. Hope to hear from you soon, Tim

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From: Doug.Trueman@f17.n134.z1.fidonet.org (Doug Trueman)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.health-pe
Subject: summer activities
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 23:55:40 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:134/17 - EXCESS BBS, Calgary Alta

Dear Janice:
I just got back two days ago, and I had a terrific time.  I just finished a course in classical piano that is run out of Toronto.  In fact, today I recieved my mark for my grade 8 piano exam, and I got 83%!!!  Needless to say, I am very happy.  At the camp, however, I played mainly jazz, and I find it to be a welcome change from Bach, Beethoven, etc.  My time is almost up, so if you read this before I can finish it, the rest will be on its way soon.  Doug.


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From: Neil.Munro@f588.n640.z3.fidonet.org (Neil Munro)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.business
Subject: Small Business
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:27:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:640/588 - GameZone BBS, Brisbane Queensland Australia

I'm a business student at QUT and if there is anyone out there who 
runs a small business, it would be great if I could chat with you.

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From: Sharon.Mattix@f17.n3400.z1.fidonet.org (Sharon Mattix)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.business
Subject: WP51 Course
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 10:52:01 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3400/17 - MET NET BBS, Helena MT

Bill, please let me know if there is a possibility of a course in WordPerfect being taught on-sight in Hamilton, and the specifics.  I know many people who are interested, and I would be interested in working on this.  Thanks, Sharon

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From: arowe@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (B. Anne Rowe)
Subject: Re: Hello
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 17:31:08 GMT

Hi Marilyn.  I supervise business education programs in
Virginia.  I try to "practice what I preach" so I was quick to
log onto the telecommunications network (VA.PEN) provided
through the VA Department of Education.  This helps me to keep
abreast with telecommunications concepts that are a part of
our curriculum and it links me to the business educators.  We had a
staff reduction at the VA Dept. of Ed. in February, 1991, and I
look for any way to shortcut communications.  Keep me informed
of trends in your state, please!

Anne Rowe
From: Bill.Patton@p9.f17.n3400.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Patton)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.business
Subject: WP51 Course
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 13:29:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3400/17.9 - MET NET BBS, Helena MT

Yes, we can do this.  I will need to talk to you early September and set this up.  Keep in touch.  Take care. Talk later--Bill

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From: Aaron.Macfarlane@p0.f45.n342.z1.fidonet.org (Aaron Macfarlane)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Z Term
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 13:31:59 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:342/45.0 - SPQR, Edmonton Alta

9a
 OK, thanks for the advice. I should ask my parents first before calling  the number, but I think I will anyways.
 My friend and I tried it with your settings and it worked, so thanks  again!!!



 # GateOrigin: 89:701/204@imex


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From: Bradley.Kelly@f628.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Bradley Kelly)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Macintosh communications
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 23:14:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:712/628 - Education Database, Sydney University

G'day John!

 > JF>Does anyone in Oz have either of these two programs. I have a would-be
 > JF>user with a Mac who wants an off-line reader.

If you're talking about Z-Term 0.9, I can't beleive that you can't find a 
copy here in Australia. There musts be thousands floating about. You can 
obtain it from any user group or a Mac based BBS. If you're after an offline 
reader, a new version of Freddie (QWK) just arrived.

brad j kelly  
 

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From: Bradley.Kelly@f628.n712.z3.fidonet.org (Bradley Kelly)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Off line mail reader
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 23:17:01 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:712/628 - Education Database, Sydney University

G'day!

 > NT>I'm looking for some off line mail readers for the
 > NT>Macintosh that will also support the  *qwk* file format.

I'm about 99% sure that there is an offline reader for the Mac that supports 
QWK file formats. Its name is Freddie, and there is a new version just 
released.

brad j kelly  
 

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From: Grant.Kwai@f729.n713.z3.fidonet.org (Grant Kwai)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: System 7
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 18:57:03 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 3:713/729 - TETIA Service Info , Baulkham Hills NSW

> I am told by many Mac Users that system 7 is not
>going to work for the everyday user.  It's too slow and most the functions it
>provides are just not required other than by power users.  Additionally,
>System 7 needs more than an average CPU to drive at a speed you can live
>with.

 That is certainly true, you need lots of memory and a more up to
date CPU to run the thing. I've also hears System 7 has a number
of bugs. Personally I don't know, as I'm not a Mac person. This
information is from the local Apple users Group Macintosh BBS. (I
never said I wasn't an Apple person...).

 Anyway, for many people, they are going to be stuck with System 6
and in many cases, that will do its purpose.

>Don't get me wrong, I am not waving an IBM clone flag.  From where I
>sit, I should have waited for Windows 6.0 and you probably should have waited
>for System 10!!

 For me, I'd rather be waiting for DOS 8. <grin> I don't think I
can keep up with the computing power required in the near future.
In a few years time, I might need a read/write CDROM *just* to
store the operating system, let alone the 64megs of memory it
requires, minimum. <smile>

Cheers,
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From: Chris.Wachal@f400.n348.z1.fidonet.org (Chris Wachal)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: RE: System 7
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 01:55:34 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:348/400 - DEFCON InfoSystem, Winnipeg MB

HF> The system 7 can run on any Macintosh. I personally run System 7 at      <
HF> home, in France, on a Macintosh Classic, and I am very satisfied.  If    <
HF> you have problem with speed, disable the File Sharing extension. It      <
HF> will give you more memory and more CPU power. You can only share via     <
HF> Appletalk, without server, LaserWriter NT-printer-series, and you        <
HF> don't nedd System 7 to do that. If you are not satisfied, try System     <
HF> 6.0.8 or 6.0.5 (to install this one on a Macintosh                       <
HF> Classic, select the installation-script for Macintosh SE), but don't     <
HF> use the 6.0.7 system release which is very buggy.                        <
HF> Friendly, Hubert Figuiere                                                <
HF> PS : Excuse my English, but it is not my mother tongue...                <

Well sorry but System 6.0.8 is exactly the same as 6.0.7 except that with
6.0.8 is compatible with Imagewriters configured for System 7 on a network. 
Well something like that.  My computer teacher told me this so don't start
yelling at me if i'm wrong.

#####~Chris Wachal~#####


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From: Kevin.Mccluskey@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Mccluskey)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: APPLE SCHOOLS OF TOMORROW
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:35:25 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

Thanks for the material that you have sent.  It has not arrived yet, but it 
will probably be on my desk when I return to work in early August.


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From: Joel.Orleck@p5.f41.n116.z1.fidonet.org (Joel Orleck)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Mac Info
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 19:19:35 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:116/41.5 - Metro-Net, Nashville TN

  
  JL> Joel - I would also be interested in this info.  I will be providing
  JL> tech  support to a grades 3-6 school this coming school year.  The
  JL> school currently has 90 + Macs distributed in classrooms and one lab.

  JL> My mailing address is Shadow Lake Elementary, 22620 Sweeney Rd. S.E.,
  JL> Maple Valley, WA 98038. Thanks - Jim
  
  Hi Jim,

    Info is on its way!  Are your 90+ Macs networked??  Are any of your teachers
involved with telecommunications??  


Regards,

Joel



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From: Chad.Lowe@f17.n3400.z1.fidonet.org (Chad Lowe)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: MetNet
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 18:55:03 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3400/17 - MET NET BBS, Helena MT

Ed,

	I've only been on MetNet for several months myself.  I live
in Hardin, which is about an hour east of Billings and I use the 800
number for access.  Recently, however, I took a short trip to
Minneapolis and found the same thing that you did---the 800
number is in-state only.

	We've been having money difficulities in the state
(especially in education, which is where MetNet is funded) so that's
probably why the 800 number was changed to in-state.  

	Ya, the 800 lines were VERY busy, especially during school.
I started on MetNet in April, and by the first part of May, you usually
couldn't get on until about 11:30 p.m.  The lines should be less busy
now, however, because they have established several regional BBS
sites around the state.

	>I noticed also, that apparently MetNet was using Trainers to
         >send around teaching telecommunications or how to use MetNet.
         >Was that the case? If so, is it still working, cost effective
         >wise?

	I had heard that's what was done, but in Hardin, we were
on our own.  Let me check with a friend of mine about how well
that worked out.  I'll get back to you on that.

	Talk to you soon!

				----Chad Lowe
If you still wish to access MetNet [and have a lot of money for long
distance charges :-) ] you can call the toll number in my address line
(I can't remember what it is right now!).

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From: Roger.Smith@f33.n214.z1.fidonet.org (Roger Smith)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: HELP !!!
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 92 13:35:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:214/33 - TCOE BBS, Visalia CA

DA>Does anybody have the toll free bbs number for Hayes?  I know

800-874-2937 High-(Hayes)Speed, if you got it otherwise 2400.

Roger

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From: John.C..Mickelson@f80.n343.z1.fidonet.org (John C. Mickelson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: RE: Xapshot?
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 14:45:40 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:343/80 - Auburn Ed-Net, Auburn WA

Chris,

Your comment about a plan before we purchase a still video camera is a point
well taken.  I sometimes get all caught up in the technology and glamour of
a new piece of equipment and then am blinded by it all.  It is  much like when
I purchase a new car or other expensive piece of equipment...I get so excited
I cannot see straight.

Good luck with your camera and thanks for the reply.

John Mickelson
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From: Lance.Parsons@p16.f113.n267.z1.fidonet.org (Lance Parsons)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: SYSTEM 7
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 23:07:56 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:267/113.16 - COMNET BBS Headquar, Albany NY

 >> You couldn't be more WRONG.  Windows is a copy of the origional Mac
 >> operating system...a cheap copy that is.  Windows is a slow piece of
 >> junk.  Mac programs are made to run under that kind of an
 >> environment...unlike IBM programs.  It's a simple as this:  Windows
 >> sucks, System 7 rules!

 > DeskView or DR. Dos or system 6.? would do just fine.  I am told by many
 > Mac Users that system 7 is not going to work for the everyday user.
 > It's too slow and most the functions it provides are just not required
 > other than by power users.  Additionally, System 7 needs more than an
 > average CPU to drive at a speed you can live with.  Don't get me wrong,
 > I am not waving an IBM clone flag.  From where I sit, I should have
 > waited for Windows 6.0 and you probably should have waited for System
 > 10!!

    I don't think that waiting will work either. The computer industry moves at a dizzing pace as many of you know, and is not about to slow down. While it is true, Windows 3.1 adn System 7 require more CPU power and offer many advanced features, they are FAST becoming teh standard in the industry. Hardware may be a bit behind, but it will not take very long at all for it to catch up. Maybe a year, if that.
    Best thing to do is to is to use what you can on your machine until you feel you must upgrade to keep pace. I had an old IBM PC (pre-XT) and it lasted almost 10 years before it had to be retired. It still works GREAT, but it just can't keep up with the new software. And the software is what drives the market, NOT hardware.

     -Lance


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From: Joshua.Kramer@f540.n226.z1.fidonet.org (Joshua Kramer)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: SYSTEM 7
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 92 11:00:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/540 - The Tele-Forum Netw, Columbus OH

SB>operating system...a cheap copy that is.  Windows is a slow piece of
SB>junk.  Mac programs are made to run under that kind of an
SB>environment...unlike IBM programs.  It's a simple as this:  Windows
SB>sucks, System 7 rules!

Yeah, but... if you want to be in control of your computer, you will
*NOT* buy a Mac.  You can do MUCH more with an IBM/c than you can with a
Mac.... heck, you can do MUCH more with Windows than you can with even
System 7...

--Josh


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From: David.Wills@f385.n322.z1.fidonet.org (David Wills)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: HELP !!!
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 13:36:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:322/385 - Natick High BBS, Natick MA

>    The number for the Hays BBS is 1-800-874-2937.  Hope this helps.  I have
>another list of 800 numbers that I can send you in a message later.  Just ask
>and I'll do it.

 Could you post it here?  I'd like to see the list too... that's if you
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From: Kevin.Mccluskey@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Mccluskey)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: SYSTEM 7
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 10:44:42 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB


 >     Best thing to do is to is to use what you can on your machine 
 > until you feel you must upgrade to keep pace. I had an old IBM PC 
 > (pre-XT) and it lasted almost 10 years before it had to be retired. 
 > It still works GREAT, but it just can't keep up with the new 
 > software. And the software is what drives the market, NOT hardware.

I agree with you that wait until you have to upgrade is a good idea.  My 
problem is that if your IBM PC lasted 10 years should I not expect that a 
machine I buy today would last about the same length of time?  Given the pace 
of change it would seem that we are on a fast rollercoster.  Today's machine 
is a clunker in two to three years.  Unless as a user we buy in and keep what 
we have for the ten year period.  My fear is that System 7? and Windows 3.? 
will drive the industry and the software producers getting all the R&D 
dollars so that little new software will be written for System6.? and Dos 5.? 
 All th ecurrent attention seems to be toward Graphics PKGS.  I like them but 
not at the price and with the speed that they are coming.  Software seems to 
be released 70% to 80% completed. Then we are offered upgrades at $50. to 
$100.00 a pop.  I bought a 386Sx 3 years ago.  Had to replace it with a 386 
20 within two years.  Now the 386 20 is showing its age trying to run Windows 
3.1 with any speed.  Our work place is full of both IBM clones and Mac's. 
Those se's and se 30's and even the Mac Classic's are not looking great 
trying to run software written for speed demons.  Where are we going at what 
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From: Joel.Orleck@p5.f41.n116.z1.fidonet.org (Joel Orleck)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: APPLE SCHOOLS OF TOMORROW
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 14:45:56 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:116/41.5 - Metro-Net, Nashville TN

  
  KM> I find it interesting that the schools you have mentioned all use
  KM> Mac's. Are there schools that use IBM clones as well?
 

  Hi Kevin,

  Sorry it has taken me so long to respond.  I have sent out some info to you
about Meigs Magnet (hope it gets to you...I wasn't quite sure how I should write
your address on the envelope).

  There are schools which use IBMs and clones in Tennessee especially at the
high school level.  About 10 years ago the state funded the purchase of computers
for ALL middle schools.  Apple Computer was low bidder and as a result, you'll
find IIe's in every middle school in Tennessee.  Most of our elementary schools
also use Apple hardware although you'll find many that have IBM as well.  

  Regards,

  Joel


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From: Chad.Lowe@f17.n3400.z1.fidonet.org (Chad Lowe)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: ZTERM
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 18:54:02 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3400/17 - MET NET BBS, Helena MT

Aaron,

	Sure thing!!  Anything else I can do---just let me know!!
Have fun BBSing....

				Chad Lowe

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From: Jeff.Fiegel@f5.n394.z1.fidonet.org (Jeff Fiegel)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: HELP !!!
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 16:59:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:394/5 - CH A D D CBCS, Hammond LA

DA>toll free bbs I would appreciate hearing about it!  I live in



The Department of Education has a BBS the number is 1-800-222-4922....


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From: Dan.Moran@f65.n228.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Moran)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: SYSTEM 7
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 07:23:00 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:228/65 - K12 Educator, Muskegon MI

SB>You couldn't be more WRONG.  Windows is a copy of the origional Mac
SB>operating system...a cheap copy that is.  Windows is a slow piece of
SB>junk.  Mac programs are made to run under that kind of an
SB>environment...unlike IBM programs.  It's a simple as this:  Windows
SB>sucks, System 7 rules!

I'd have to agree with most of the replies you've gotten on this
message.  You may like Mac's.  They may even be the machine most suited
to you, personally, but I find Mac people are happiest with their
machine because they are more insulated from the actual technology.  The
same people who rave about Mac's are the same people who rely heavily on
shell's and menuing systems.  Conversly, real "techies" shy away from
the Mac for the same reason:  not enough hand's on control for them.
I also find that the average Mac user is much less aware of the actual
technology they are using than the average IBM/MS-DOS user is.  Witness
the lack of Mac users who even know which CPU they're using.
In short, if you don't mind having someone else tell you how you're
computer AUGHT to be, by all means, by a Mac. If, however, you really
like to make those decision for yourself, you're better off with an
IBM/MS-DOS platform.
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From: Kevin.Mccluskey@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Kevin Mccluskey)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: SYSTEM 7
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:43:44 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

I bought a new computer for our section two months ago and it came with 17 
megs of ram.  My first computer had a ten meg. hard drive.  My the times they 
are a changing....  I have been using Windows 3.1 for a month and I am 
beginning to get the hang of it.  Some one bought me a graphics Vantage Card 
from ATI.  I hope this speed things up a bit.  The literature that came with 
yhe card says the speed will increase by 11 times in Windows.  I don't think 
they ever saw Windows run on a 386 20mhz.  I would love to run Windows on a 
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From: Dan.Moran@f65.n228.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Moran)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: DTS Question
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 07:23:02 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:228/65 - K12 Educator, Muskegon MI

SA>AGain, What is a teacher?

Okay, I'll bite.  Off the top of my head,  a teacher is someone who has
a talent for guiding others towards learning experiences.  Not always
the smartest, or even the best at what they do, but combining a lot of
communications skills with intuitiveness and skills of observation,
teachers manage to lead student's from academic anxiety to moment's of
true enlightenment.
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