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From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist?????
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:42:05 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr16.040901.18847@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja) writes:
>zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Apr15.212840.12447@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja) writes:
>>>zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>>>
>>>.....deleted.....

>G30S = Gerakan 30 September
>
>October 1  was the kidnapped date of three generals.
>
>Which one are you referring to? G30S or Gestok (?)(Gerakan satu October)?

	Why is there a distinction between Gestok and G30S?  My
understanding from reading several books about the above coup d'etat
is that it officially started with the killing of three Generals and
the kidnapping of the other three.  Of course, the coup actually
started a few hours earlier, Sept 30, 1965, when the plan was
executed; and the killing of the generals was a part of the plan.  But
why was Sept 30 so important when the actual coup took place a day
earlier?

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
From: AKT4423@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU (ATAN, PANGLIMA BONGSU TANAHAIR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Proposed Islamic Laws in Kelantan
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:52:12 GMT

Jus wondering...what y'all think the punishment should be for yelling out
expletives in Kelantan...if the proposed laws comes in effect???

Cutting of the tongue?? Castration??

I vote for both. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Some questions about Abangan...
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:40:41 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


	Hope some Indonesians can shed some lights on the above term.
I know what Abangan means, but what are some of the practices that
qualify a person as an Abangan?

	Thanks in advance.

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
From: kc@franklin.ee.umr.edu (Kok Ching Ong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Singapore Newsbriefs : April 1
Date: 5 Apr 92 23:11:02 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla
Originator: kc@ee.umr.edu

Date:         Sun, 5 Apr 1992 16:03:15 PDT
Reply-To: Southeast Asia Discussion List <SEASIA-L%MSU.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
From: "Indonesia Publications/Task Force" <apakabar@IGC.ORG>
Subject:      Electronic City!
X-To:         seasia-l@msu.edu
To: Multiple recipients of list SEASIA-L <SEASIA-L@MSU>
Status: OR

    Reuter, Singapore, April 1 - Singapore, seeking to develop an
economy based on information and computers, unveiled a plan on Wednesday
to turn the island state into an electronic city within 15 years.
    "Some 15 years from now, Singapore will be an intelligent island. It
will be among the first countries in the world with an advanced national
information infrastructure (NII)," Tan Chin Nam, chairman of the state
National Computer Board, told a news conference.
    By then, Singaporeans will be plugged into grids of fibre-optic
cables and a communications network linking all households, board
officials said.
    "The NII will enable Singapore to overcome its smallness by plugging
into global networks," Tan said. "Singapore will become a global hub
city for business, services and transportation."
    Board officials said NII would allow Singaporeans to carry out
electronically such chores as applications for licences and permits,
school registration, tax returns or banking transactions.
    The plan calls for every household to be equipped with terminals
which combine the functions of a telephone, computer, television, video
recorder and camera.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja)
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist ? NOT!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:06:06 GMT

chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:

>In article <1992Apr15.145709.29517@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>>	How do you know that the Nov. massacre was aimed at a
>>political group?  Those people are mourners, and they are not a part
>>of any political entity.  As I see it, it is an action of an overly-
>>zealous commander trying to impress the top-brass in his country.

>If it is not then explain this;

>a) The Indon govt still continue prosecute the East Timorese 
>   dissidents.
>b) Official statements of the Nov massacre is at best sketchy, at
>   worst, grossly incorrect.

>>	I support forced assimilation in Indonesia since it has
>>produced the best possible result.  Banning the Chinese languages,
>>Chinese schools, and etc, has produced the effects that the Indonesian
>>government has been searching for. I do not however consider gunning
>>down several protestors as a "forced assimiliation".  

>They were protesting the forced assimiliation.  FYI, students who
>dare to voice against the govt are being tried in courts and if
>found guilty, can be executed.

Anybody who against their government in ANY country might be trial in
court and if found guilty WILL be executed.

Hei YOU malaysian who talk much about Indonesia. YOU had better shut up
if you don't know the real situation in Indonesia.
I'm getting bored reading your bullshitting about my country!.

  
>>	Do you get the distinction now?

>No, there is no distinction.  The govt used force to assimiliate
>the people.  What do you think this force is?  The army, full stop.

When did the Indonesian govt use force for assimilation of chinese????
     once again you'd better shut up.

>A side note:
>I do not object to any govts trying to unite the different 
>races in their country, but such actions should not be carried
>out brutally and forcifully.  Education and incentives should be
>instead.

>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Dennis Chuah, BE (Elec)    | "One Country,  | Supporting the Malaysian 
>Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
>Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | Barcelona.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Pencangkul Matahari" email: chuah@stargate.elec.canterbury.ac.nz

Darmawan
dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

   STOP BULLSHITTING OR YOU MIGHT BE GUNNED DOWN :-)
   FLAME OFF BEFORE ON. ANYBODY START TO FLAME ON MIGHT BE GUNNED DOWN TOO.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: rezal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman)
Subject: A paradox?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 02:12:20 GMT


Let's see, first the sultan of Kelantan avoids paying taxes, then
the state decides to implement the islamic law while still protecting
the Sultan?

Just what kind of moronic logic is this?

Sure, i may not be going to the International Islamic University but based
on what I had learned years ago, Islam is a religion that emphasizes 
equality among all of its ummah regardless of status quo.

Islam does not advocate communism nor does it support extreme capitalism.

For example, if one happens to discover buried treasure (probably happend
a lot during those days), one had to give away a certain amount
of the newlyfound wealth to charity in the form of zakat.

Now, we have a sultan in an "Islamic" (no, the "" is not accidental) state
which is not only extremely capitalistic but also very intent on avoiding
the law.

There is a law in Islam that requires one to follow one's leader and this
ruling can only be disobeyed if the leader is cruel and unfair.

By definition then, the Sultan of Kelantan should fall under the federal
laws which in this case can be considered the "leader" of the Sultan.
Putting aside all the racial arguements we've had in the past few weeks,
the federal law can be considered generally as fair and uncruel therefore
giving the Sultan no reason to oppose the law.

By denying the implementation of the law, the Sultan has gone against this
Islamic directive.

And yet, Kelantan wishes to implement "Islamic laws"?

Sounds like a bunch of hypocrites to me.

Please understand that I am not denying Islamic laws, instead, I am
using the definition of one of the Islamic laws to prove the
hypocrisy of the Kelantanese government.

Just my .2 "kupangs".

-Rezal "hope they don't pull my scholarship away" Adzly


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darmawan  Ludirdja)
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist ? NOT!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:19:52 GMT

eduardo@eng.umd.edu (Eduardo H. Guiraud) writes:

>Would any Indonesian Students out there say something about this matter,
>genocide or racism by Indonesian govt.....

There are too many :-) Indonesian students here in  this newsgroup but 
they don't want to speak up (they don't want to speak "bullshit" things)

   FLAME OFF BEFORE ON (AND SHOULD BE KEPT OFF AT ALL THE TIME) :-)
  
Darmawan - an Indonesian student
dlg6627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
Organization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:53:40 -0400 
From: Azmeer Salleh <as60+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: basically hello to all you people out there.
	<1992Apr16.024605.7142@wuecl.wustl.edu>


DISCLAIMER:  All the opinions in this posting are those of the author
and the author alone.   Count to five before reading this post.  Count
only to five, no more, no less.  Five, and only five, is the number to
which you must count.  Not one, for it is too little. Not two, for it is
only one up from one. Nor may you count to three or four as they are not
five.  Any number greater than five will not count, anyway.  So go on
and read it already.


In article <1992Apr16.024605.7142@wuecl.wustl.edu> Mr. Rajan T Thampi writes:
	

>I see that you have watched Monthy Python and the Quest for the 
>Holy Grail.  In fact, I just watched it for the first time this past
>weekend.  Rather hilarious... 


Flattered that you noticed.... it was written in the mood, but it's not
a direct quote, though.  Besides, my favourite Monty-Grail quote is:

	"You shtupid English kenniggets!  Your mother was a hamster, and 	your
father smelled of Elderberries!  I fart in yough sheneral 	dighection!"

so, be cool.....
From: LIAU_A@CC.DENISON.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: subscribe
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:38:00 GMT

sub soc-culture-asean Albert Liau
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: gewong@mtholyoke.edu (= G e r m a i n =)
Subject: Re: Azizam - Oppressors and the Oppressed
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:22:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.195700.29943@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>In article <9204131043.AA10681@nettlerash.berkeley.edu>
>LAW40001@NUSVM.NUS.SG (Tay Edward Stanley) writes: 
>
>>Azizam says that the oppressed may fight but they will not win ... I
>>will forever cherish this date: 9th August 1965.  Please do not treat
>>this as a flame for any country or any race.  Skunks like Azizam will
>>always exist ... be they Malay, Chinese, Indian, Caucasian, Negro etc
>...                                                         ^^^^^^^
>
>	You just insulted the whole African-American people with that
>remark.  While you are at it, why don't you just call them N*g&%r?
>


SOoo.... but it's OK for you to call the Chinese "chinks", is that right??
Aha... I see.

I really don't see any relevance in your above sentence. (But then again,
you're not a person that makes relevant points usually anyway).

I know 2 wrong doesn't make a right. BUT -- I'm sure Edward simply meant 
"Africans/Blacks".  Ok, so he may have made a slip.  Anyway, there is no 
sense of hostility and strong resentment in that sentence of his posting.  
(Unlike yours: Quote "Get lost, you geeky chink!" Unquote)


-GW.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: KyleHor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: MSIA: Telecomm Modernization
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:59:44 GMT

Not sure if this teeny bit of news showed up in the Newsbrief.
Anyways....


Far Eastern Economic Review (04/02/92) V.55, No.13, p.79 (Telecom Today)

Malaysia's telecommunications company, Telekom Malaysia, says it
will invest M$12 billion (US$4.7 billion) over the next five
years to modernize its telecommunications network.  About M$2
billion will be awarded to foreign companies to supply 4 million
lines with digital-switching gear.
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Diablo...
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:22:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr8.202241.24122
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr8.071100.18244@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> an512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce Lee) writes:
>
>In a previous article, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) says:
>
>>>That'll probably be the last time anyone sees it too...after all, didn't I 
>>>read somewhere that the customs are only not allowed on the palace compounds??
>>>Funny, buying a $2.1M car and driving it in your backyard!!! 
>>>
>>>If that's not classified as DUMB, I dunno what is, eh Zam??? (No need for
>>>apologies Eme)
>>
>>	The joke is on you, dumbo!  The custom officers are not
>>allowed on the Palace compound in case they are thinking of
>>confiscating the car.  That is what it is supposed to mean.  If you
>>are going to read between the lines, please do it when you are not
>>suffering from dyslexia.
>
>
>...That'll probably...didn't I read somewhere that "the custom officers
>are not allowed on the Palace compound in case they are thinking of
>confiscating the car"??? Anyhow I see it, there is still:
>
>		1 (one) bad sentence structure,
>
>		1 (one) DUMB SULTAN,
>
>		1 (one) DUMB Kelantanese on his Sultan's side.
>
>
>Dumbo the Elephant.
>-- 

	Definitely better than:

1) An unfaithful little bastard whose allegiance is with the PRC.

2) A guy who can't speak BM without that stooopid Chinese accent.	

3) A guy who makes "la" an art form.

4) A possible PKM recruit.

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: Moral and Education (Re: Zam sinks to new depths)
Reply-To: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:26:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.152724.1486@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>
>	My outburst has cost me several job opportunities in Malaysia.
>I have had top managerial people sending me e-mails, telling me not to
>apply for a position in their company because of what I wrote.  

Why aren't we surprised?

>Nobody says that being truthful will benefit me, but I took this road because
>I felt the need to let my feelings known regarding certain things.  I
>tried my best not to get involved with this newsgroup, but when Wan
>Looi and Martillo kept bombarding this newsgroup with lies and
>half-truths two years ago, I had no alternatives but to jump in, in
>order to set the records straight.


There is a difference between being truthful and being so fouled-mouthed
,calling people nasty names,etc..or were you very sincere when you were cursing
also? '
how can you make people respect your views when you can't even restrain from 
such vulgarities in your replies/post?

>[..deleted stuf about his awful experience with a chinese friend who was
> bad-mouthing him behind his back.....]
>
>	I have not had any Chinese friends after the above incident.

just because of that you stereotyped the entire chinese population? this is
the same thing that happened in the USA in the past,remember? how some used to
think that all the  Blacks or Indians are bad? The term used to call these
stereotypical individuals is known as 'bigots'.

look, back-stabbing is not race-conscious. 

>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 

tabk2@isuvax.bitnet
From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (JAAFAR,EMERIZAL AHMAD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: grammar&spelling etc: An apology.
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:36:00 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Dearest friends,

I'm apologizing for my previous posting entitled grammar & spelling.  In a way,
I did write it but to show to my friend who didn't know how to use vi to
write mail.  Since he was commenting me on my spelling and grammar, I chose     that topic as a model to show him what to do, and we were goofing off and 
everything.  later, another friend of mine came and she was asking for help on
some of the fluids problems(momentum balance, all that funky stuff-->you ChEs
out there know what kind of stuff I'm talking abt.).  Anyways, I followed her
and on the way I asked my bud to loggoff.  Obviously he did that alright!

I was shocked having read a message from my pal in California about 'my posting''.  Well, I'm not mad at Kevin.  I think he might want to get even with me.
(I put a note on his behind saying,"Love me tender...I'm gay!!!" last week).
(oh BTW, I feel that this statement might be confusing...my friend in CA is
not Kevin...he's here at Tech...so in essance, there are 2 people involve here
...hopefully you people got the idea....).

So, please just ignore that particular posting.  I didn't mean to send in off
anyways. 

Aufidasen,
---EME---
P/s:  I do not live to impress anybody but myself....  What people think of me 
      is irrelevant as long as I know what I'm doing, understand why I'm doing
      it, and respect myself for doing it.[This is for certain people only...
      but I do sincerely appreciate their opinion and honesty]. [So does this
      next sentence]Do not tend to look down at somebody easily, that's a bad
      habit to have.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: bored beyond belief!!!
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:23:05 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <54620@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (JAAFAR,EMERIZAL AHMAD) writes:

>But for one last try(just to make this net more interesting), why don't
>we talk about something else 
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'll take that offer up, although I'll still talk politics....

>how abt malaysia's
>new-craze(other than golf), horse riding?  I've been on a horse twice
>in my life....what a ride! 

Being in New Zealand (where good race horses are bred) I have been
fortunate enough to be on some good horses.  I didn't know horses 
are a new craze in Malaysia.  One would think in Malaysia, the
only place to find horses is in the race tracks and stables.  What 
exactly is the new craze?  Is it horse riding (on the race track)
or is it horse tracking (riding a horse cross country).  My 
preference is the latter.  Taking a horse up and down the bush
is a great way to see the country side, especially if the distances
are too large to walk.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dennis Chuah, BE (Elec)    | "One Country,  | Supporting the Malaysian 
Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | Barcelona.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Pencangkul Matahari" email: chuah@stargate.elec.canterbury.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: East Timor Communist?????
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:02:13 +1200
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr14.195216.22646@athena.mit.edu> zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:

>	My last statement should tell you that I don't consider
>"cultural genocide" as a genocide in the real sense of the word.  

Whether or not *YOU* consider cultural genocide as genocide is not
the question here.  If you want to argue the UN's human rights charter,
this is not the newsgroup to do it.

>To
>show that a genocide actually occurs, you have to show that the
>Indonesian government has engaged in slaughtering its (or East Timor)
>civilians' population.
>
>	UN definition of a civilian is : (Article 50-1) A civilian is
>any person who does not belong to the [armed forces].
>
>	If you can show that you are only engaging the military, then
>a genocide can not be proven using the UN Charter.

I can definately say that the Indon army has slaughtered non-military 
personnel: case in hand, a New Zealand student who was visiting
East Timor was shot dead by the Indon army.  He is not in the military.
He is only a tourist there.  He is only one of the many students shot
dead by the Indon army, all of them are non-military personnel.

Also, what about the indiscriminate killings of the Chinese in Indonesia,
not so long ago?  They are not millitary personnel.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dennis Chuah, BE (Elec)    | "One Country,  | Supporting the Malaysian 
Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | Barcelona.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Pencangkul Matahari" email: chuah@stargate.elec.canterbury.ac.nz


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Reply-To: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 05:41:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.180544.14725@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>>
>>Then why did you use him(Hitler) as an example? 
>
>	Why not?

ASk a question and you get a question for an answer....how informative

>
>>Perhaps you do look towards him as a personal hero, eh? 
>
>	That is my prerogative. But to ease your mind, let me just
>state one more time that "Hitler is not a hero of mine".  Satisfied?

>
>>Please, cut it out, you goofed. you used a wrong/poor example,
>>now you're in a hole, and you can't get out. 
>
>	I would use a good analogy on an idiot.  Such a waste of time.

You seem to enjoy giving people names, don't you? the truly remarkable trait of
someone, who claims to have been educated, trying to argue his case.


>
>===------ 
>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 


tabk2@isuvax.bitnet