HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: margaret@glas.apc.org (Patricia Schwartz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Liberal Moscow daily attacked b
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:53:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Oct13.174404.1@acad3.alaska.:-781745489:glas:84600017:000:685
Nf-From: glas.UUCP!margaret    Oct 15 23:53:00 1992


Well, I DID see a Pamyat' march through the Metro, so I can be witness
for that. At first I didn't understand who they were. The crowd
in general seem to show them their backs in disgust, and they gave me
bad looks when I watched this group of Pamyat' marchers with curiousity.

Now I understand that Metro scene in more detail. I had never seen
these Pamyat' thugs in person before. But from the perspective
of the "girl in the street," the mood in the Metro station was
definitely one of "Don't even do them the honor of watching them.
Turn your eyes, show them your backs." 

This feeling was very strong, I felt it even though I did not
understand it at all at the time.

margaret
From: shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Sexual confession (following Dm. L.)
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:31:08 GMT
Organization: Boston University Chemistry Department

In article <1992Oct15.135920.16416@husc3.harvard.edu>
verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:

>I don't want to have sex with china pig. My sexual
>preference is B&D sex with male gebrils. 

Why do you prefer gerbils over guinea pigs? Just curious :-)

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From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: death and feminism
Date: 14 Oct 1992 01:33:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct13.204513.16364@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
>
>Ever heard about magneton? A lot of people are busy
>with the search for a "north" magnet, whose existence
>is (more or less) theoretically proven.

Why don't you join the crowd? You have theory, sit somewhere and wait for 
magnton. I heard that ocean depth is a good place. 

Yury

>
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Does Hollywood support black racism?
Date: 8 Oct 1992 20:51:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <BvtL1s.Mnn@news.cso.uiuc.edu> didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry) writes:
>
>storm?  You say that "knee jerking" is not correct and not good-looking, you
>are wrong. 
My definition of good control system is "no big overregulation". System with
big overshot are usually dangerously close to beeing unstable. 

I would gladly continue this discussion, but it apparently does not belong
to this group. Let's better talk about estonians :).

Yury
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: death and feminism
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:53:11 GMT
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv


A little commentary on an article of 
Patricia Shwarts. Generally I agree with her
that women's sensuality plays negative part
in Western culture. Anyway, her idea of
what Tolstoy wrote in Resurrection shows her
complete ignorance in the subject (usual one,
I have to admit).

In article <84600011@glas.apc.org> Patricia Schwartz <margaret@glas.apc.org> writes:

>I see as yet no parallels to the death-wish for sexual women in Russian
>culture. Tolstoy wrote "Anna Karenina," which is certainly close
>to this genre, but later denounced it and wrote "Resurrection,"
>where the prostitute was a good woman who DID NOT REPENT her
>sexuality and LIVED! How fantastically revolutionary this was
>for an American girl to read - a woman who fucks and doesn't die.
>And she tells the rich man who wants to marry her and "save" her from
>shame and prison that she really couldn't care less what he wants.
>She wants what SHE wants. His pity does not impress her.

Tolstoy, when he wrote "Resurection", viewed sex
as evil force, without redeeming value. It is
obvious from his other works, but it is clear
also if you read Resurrection carefully. Sure
Patricia read Tolstoy book as well as one
American who claimed that he read Gogol and
found out that Gogol wanted to use Ukrainian 
language, but dared not, as Ukrainian language
was suppressed by Tzarism.

Misha.

P. S. In fact, sex was evil force and was 
justified only if persons involved are
deeply in romantic love for all prerevolutionary
Russian writers, except Rozanov, some Kuprin,
Bunin and F. Sologub. The untolerance to sensuality
went much more deeply than in Western literature.
I don't think that without revolution Master
and Margaret's explicit scenes could be
possibly written.
From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Subject: Re: SOME ASPECTS OF THE LAW FOR CITIZENSHIP OF ESTONIA
Reply-To: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:55:49 GMT

avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes:

>Whith 40% ethnic Russian minority and probably as much other
>Russian-speaking minorities (Jews, Poles, Ukrainians etc)
>shouldn't it be better to simply allow them to use their own
>language? I think ethnic Estonians ARE the minority in Estonia.
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is this claim once again based on Vadim's observations? Or is Vadim
simply lying? Well, Russians, at least, who are the largest minority
group in Estonia, are allowed to use Russian. Surprise, surprise!
If you make such idiotic claims like Russians, Poles, Ukrainians etc.
being not allowed to use their language in Estonia, it would be polite towards
the readers to state some source that supports the claim. 

The only thing that some of them lack is citizenship and together
with that the right to vote.

>I'd like to see American Indians trying to make their language
>the "only official" language of US on the very legal claim that
>the whole country belonged to THEM before the white-skins came.

The question is: How long does the occupation have to last to legalize
its results? Do you think what was done to the Indians was all right?
Yes, I know it can't be undone, but still...

>After all, Russians, Poles and other minorities in Estonia aren't
>immigrants because they are de-facto permanent residents. The
>difference is between non-admitting (which is the standard practice)
>and expelling (as a consequence of denying citizenship and property
>rights). Threating at least 40% of population as people of the 
>second sort is a good start for a "new" country.

What about officers of the ex-Soviet Army, their families and retired
Army officers? They might be de-facto permanent residents, but it wouldn't
be too unfair if they were not admitted citizenship. I have never
claimed the language requirement in the Estonian citizenship law is fair,
but there needs to be a way to distinguish between those who were there
in the role of an occupant and those who genuinely want to become citizens
of Estonia. 

Janne Kivela"
From: IO20842@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: What's new in Ukraine?
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:06:16 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Hello! We are two former Soviets interested in latest news from Ukraine.
Please, mail us anything you know about what happend in last month there.
   Appreciate,               Andrey & Alex.
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: If you don't like it here.....
Date: 7 Oct 1992 18:04:20 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

Many people writes writes:
>
>>Many of the threads are titled "Is America that bad?" as if it is a given
>you can change it to "Is America that good?".  Hopefully, that will make a 

Eto mne napomnilo odin staryj anekdot. Humor impaired may find it ethnically
offensive

Institut russkogo jazyka v otvet na zajvlenie Tatarskoj ASSR postanovil:

Chitat' poslovicu "Nezvannyj gost' huzhe tatarina" kak
"Nezvannyj gost' luchshe tatarina".

Yury.
From: vadik@cs.umd.edu (Vadim Maslov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Progressive mankind vs racism
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:28:50 GMT


Here's a contribution of progressive mankind
to the discussion about racism.

TRACY CHAPMAN 

TALKIN' BOUT A REVOLUTION


Don't you know
They're talkin' about a revolution
It sounds like a whisper
Don't you know
They're talkin' about a revolution
It sounds like a whisper

When they're standing in the welfare lines
Crying at the doorsteps of those armies of salvation
Wasting time in the employment lines
Sitting around waiting for a promotion

Poor people gonna rise up
And get their share
Poor people gonna rise up
And take what's theirs

Don't you know
You better run, run, run...
Oh I said you better
Run, run, run...

Finally the tables are starting to turn
Talkin' bout a revolution


Translation to Russian:

(I guess, by Karl Marx)

Vstavay, proklyat'em zakleymlenniy
Ves' mir golodnih i rabov
Kipit nash razum vozmuschenniy
I v smertniy boy idti gotov

Ves' mir nasil'ya my razrushim
Do osnovaniya, a zatem 
My svoi, my noviy mir postroim
Kto byl nichem, tot stanet vsem
From: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Khazar's in ex-Soviet Union
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:34:33 GMT
Reply-To: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet
Organization: Boston University

I have a flame FROM khazars, for what it's worth.

( Following info is taken from  memory,
please correct me, if I'm wrong, or give a source of it (-:[ )

The 1 (first) written letter frm Kiev was found ...
in Egypt, in Alexandria Geniza -
from Khazars :  they complain, that Kievans are
very harsh to them, and ask to help with money
to pay unfair taxes or something like that imposed on them.

It is in Hebrew, time - 9(??) cectury.

Senya
From: margaret@glas.apc.org (Patricia Schwartz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: death and feminism
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:25:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:glas:84600011:glas:84600020:000:119
Nf-From: glas.UUCP!margaret    Oct 16 03:25:00 1992


In what language is "fuck you" a blessing?

I don't know, but I always thought the blessing
part was "fuck me"   ;)

m
From: nextug@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Circus in the ex-USSR
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:46:33 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Anyone out there familiar with the circus situation in the
ex-USSR? In common with many disciplines some of the top-flight
people have been leaving for lucrative contracts abroad
leaving only second-string luminaries to perform at home.
Cuts in state subsidies are leaving the future of the circus 
very much in doubt. There is (or will soon be) a shortage of 
first-rate teachers to instruct the upcoming generation of 
performers.
	I would welcome comments from anyone out there with know-
ledge or information on these topics for an upcoming article
I am writing. Anyone know the current status of Soyuzgostsirk?
	Reply here if you think it of interest to all or else to
me by EMail.
	Vsevo dobrovo vsem!
	Kristof Majka
	nextug@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: US childens are best (Repost from Clari).
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 19:11:57 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

Reprinted without permission from <Bny-briefsURd13_2SU@clarinet.com> 
by clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI-Radio):
>                                -30-
>	(ALBANY) -- A two-year study headed by a State University at Albany
>professor portrays U-S students as good readers. Nine-year-olds and 14-
>year-olds in the U-S finished second only to Finland in their reading
>skills... and finished ahead of students in 29 other countries. Alan
>Purves of SUNY Albany's Center for Writing and Literacy says the study
>shows American kids have strong encouragement to read at home... and
>calls that the ``absolute key'' to reading skills. But Purves says
>American children lag behind when it comes to reading documents and
>tables.

Sebya ne pohvalish' - nikto ne pohvalit, ili 
Gde zh nashli takie strany.
:-)
	-igor
From: DeVoid@cup.portal.com (David - Lyall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: death and feminism
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 00:02:20 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
  <1992Oct13.132405.10622@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>
  <1bf469INNh40@agate.berkeley.edu>

>Personally, I am tired of her rhetoric. She bothers me more than Harvard
>people. When is she going to shut up?
>
	I love reading Patricia/Margarets posts. Is Berkeley getting on the
trash wagon also?

\  / |  /\    |+ /\ |+  == /\ |    \\//
 \/  | / -\   |  \/ |\  | /- \|__  //\\
+----------------------------------------+
==> J. David Lyall > DeVoid@cup.portal.com
From: Patricia Schwartz <margaret@glas.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:19 MDT
Subject: Sonia in Hollywood
Nf-ID: #N:glas:84600012:000:1266
Nf-From: glas.UUCP!margaret    Oct 12 16:19:00 1992


Here is how I envision the American film version of "Crime and Punishment":

Two studio executives discussing this project.
One says "The end has to change. This girl Sonia Marmelodova is
a prostitute, right?"
Other one says, "Yes, and in the end she is aided by a benefactor
and quits prostitution to take care of Raskolnikov while he's
in prison."
First one: "That's a stupid ending. Here's what I envision:
Sonia and Raskolnikov have an affair, pan to filed of flowers,
bright sunshine, slow-motion kisses, holding hands on the beach.
Then one day she runs out to get the newspaper, is hit by
the tram, and dies in the arms of her beloved.

He is so upset by her death that he changes his name and emigrates 
to Europe. Final shot is Raskolnikov looking out the train
window as it puls away from the station, holding the wedding ring
he was going to give to Sonia the day she died."

Second producer: "But you can't change the ending to Crime and
Punishment, this is Dostoevsky!"

First producer: Yeah but I heard the guy is dead, isn't he?
So what's a dead writer going to do, sue us? Besides, no
one in America will believe his ending at all.

-----------
Somehow I can see this scene happening in real life.

Maybe it already has?

That's Hollywood!

margaret

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: GLL@fnal.fnal.gov (Gregory Landsberg)
Subject: Re: Bachurin (bard/artist) in the US
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:30:45 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <Bw8H4B.60I@news.cso.uiuc.edu> olga@cerl.uiuc.edu writes:

>    A wonderful artist, poet, song writer and performer, Evgeny 
> Bachurin, is in the US now.  

Hm-m-m... Too much pathetics... He is AN AVERAGE aforementioned person,
IMHO. No, I'm sure! :)

Cheers,

Greg
From: Patricia Schwartz <margaret@glas.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:11 MDT
Subject: Re: America that bad?
Nf-ID: #N:glas:84600007:000:2266
Nf-From: glas.UUCP!margaret    Oct 11 16:11:00 1992


About leaving America to fSU: I couldn't emigrate, because really I do
like even Los Angeles, but still there are a lot of things I prefer
here. I love Moscow as a city. I can't even describe how much.

It's a shame, though, that many of the things I appreciate about
culture here are vestiges of totalitarianism. For instance,
thanks to Lenin and his gang of terrorists, Russia did not pass
through most of the phases of active hatred of women that happened
in America, like when women in the thirties and again in the fifties
were fired in mass numbers from their jobs because suddenly any
intellectual expression by a woman was viewed as a threat to her physical
health and to society in general.

So I find that Russian women seem to have fewer complexes and also
"feminism" here seems to have a more human face. Not as much bitterness
and heartless application of "political correctness" as in America.


It seems clear to most educators I know that for education, American
system is lacking in the K-12 years, but American graduate schools
and undergraduate curricula give much more freedom for the student
to find her or his own path. 

I think that since the sixties, American schools in general have stressed
avoidance of suppression of individual development over rigorous
teaching of facts and methods of analysis. Maybe we put too much
stress on guarding the future originality of students and don't
develop their self-discipline enough?

But some Russian friends believe that Russian elentary schools are
TOO rigorous for children, that they give their children complexes
and also suppress highly creative students who can't follow rules very
well. My friend Natasha says here children are much happier in their
American school. In Russia they hated school very much.

And another friend has a son who had terrible problems in his Moscow
school, because he could not sit and obey. When he left Russia, he
blossomed into a computer genius, and his teachers accepted his
general nonconformism as the price of being original.

These are just examples, not a survey. Still, it is a tragedy
for America that our children grow up so deficient in
math and science as the job market begins to stress these skills
more and more every year.
margaret@glas.apc.org
From: muh@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: death and feminism
Date: 13 Oct 1992 21:25:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.berkeley.edu

In article <1bfaivINN6u5@rodan.UU.NET> avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes:
>Patricia, are you serious? I can't believe a person can
>look at white and still be one hundred percent sure
>it's black. Or is it my faulty sence of humor which does not

Vadim, you either have not red her message, or you do not understand
sarcasm. In about half of your responses you are saying exactly same
which she said. "Vy po rybku. -Net, Ja po rybku. A-a, A ja dumal vy po rybku."

I must admit that it is same half, where I agree with
her (and so, with you). Apparently she is too pathetic, and quite
often do not understand situation, but not THAT bad. 

>
Like:

>>Of course, don't say that to many American feminists, because after all,
>>Margarita spends a large fraction of her time in the book naked
>>or almost naked. In some sectors of feminism, this is by definition
>>sexist and degrading and bad.
"This feminists are bad"
>
>What's wrong in a beautiful women showing her body? Oh, i guess
>most American feminists feel quite ashamed to show their fat.
>Yes, i'm intentionally acid; it's just to outline the idea.
"No, they are bad."

Yury
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry)
Subject: Re: Does Hollywood support black racism?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:42:26 GMT

avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes:

>In article <1992Oct7.203948.4074@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> sasha@ldgo.columbia.edu (Alexander Krupitsky) writes:
>>I've seen "Boys 'n' Hood" (sp?) last week.
>>
>>As those who saw it noticed, the father of main hero openly throws
>>ridiculous accusations towards white society (liquors are produced to
>>cut black people reproductive ability, guns are made for blacks to
>>kill each other etc). I've read the director claimed in an interview
>>that AIDS virus was produced in order to kill blacks. 
>>
>>Theoretically anybody can say whatever [s]he wants. In practice not
>>everybody is allowed to. I am curious to learn if there was any
>>examples of the opposite sort in the recent history of Holywood
>>(namely - white guy making racially charged remarks WRT to blacks).

>Nope. If some white person will try to publish something like that
>the black activists will raise stink up the Heaven. You can make
>fun of whites quite safely, though. Hollywood simply sells what
>it can sell without being dragged into mess to those who will buy.
>Mobster wanna-bes in the inner cities believe the whites put 'em down
>and cheerfully pay their money to consume any shit which supports
>their beliefs. Capitalism at the work.

>I wonder how far "the freedom of artistic expression" can go. I guess
>Hitler in person in movie-star disguise would be a big hit nowadays.

>--vadim

Vadim,

  you are a racist.  Please don't be offended. You are because you cannot help
  yourself.  You try to be an open-minded person, especially when it comes to 
  issues that touch you, but when it comes to others you are just as closed-
  minded as any other person who does not want to understand or put himself in 
  the place of a person he is trying to critisize.

  What is going on in American society is similar to the common knee-jerk 
  reaction.  For hundred of years, blacks have been put down be society and 
  its media.  Now, when society found that racist feeling against blacks are
  bad, the knee has jerked back and you see blacks expressing their anger 
  among themselves and through happy-to-earn-a-buck-because-this-is-American-way
  media. 

  This reaction will end soon, there are already voices in the black community
  that say that blacks themselves deserv some blaming for not improving their
  own situation (see "Do the right thing", by very talented Spike Lee). However
  the fact is remaining, you are a racist. 

  If you still don't understand try to see analyse Russia. Have there been 
  knee-jerk-type reactions in your country?  How about everyone trying to forget
  their membership in a Communist Party? 

---Garik.
From: verbit@germain.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Ice T - "Cop Killer"
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:42:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct9.184248.16211
Distribution: world
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv


This is the lyrics to the song "Cop Killer",
discussed awhile on this board. I never heard
the music, but the lyrics is quite good, IMO.
The history of this song is more or less following:
its performance by Ice T was banned in New Zealand
and then the Warner Bros company was forced to 
exclude the song from the Ice T album. He 
continues to sing it on concerts, though, and spread
the 7'' vinyl with the song on his performances.

IMHO, the whole story quite explicitly shows
why First Amendment is just a piece of paper
in this country and why, freedom-of-expression-wise,
US are not free.

----------------- SONG -----------

"COP KILLER")

(Ice-T & BODYCOUNT from the album "BODYCOUNT")


I got my black shirt on,
I got my black gloves on,
I got my ski mask on,
This shit's been too long.
I got my twelve gauge sawed off,
I got my headlights turned off,
I'm 'bout to bust some shots off,
I'm 'bout to dust some cops off.

CHORUS:

COP KILLER, it's better you than me.
COP KILLER, fuck police brutality!
COP KILLER, I know your family's grieving,
(FUCK 'EM)
COP KILLER, but tonight we get even.

I got my brain on hype,
Tonight'll be your night,
I got this long-assed knife, 
And your neck looks just right.
My adrenaline's pumpin',
Got my stereo bumpin'.
I'm 'bout to kill me somethin',
A pig stopped me for nuthin'.

(Chorus)

DIE, DIE, DIE PIG, DIE!
FUCK THE POLICE (repeat)

(Chorus)
FUCK THE POLICE (repeat)
FUCK THE POLICE, for Darryl Gates
FUCK THE POLICE, for Rodney King
FUCK THE POLICE, for my dead homies
FUCK THE POLICE, for your freedom
FUCK THE POLICE, don't be a pussy
FUCK THE POLICE, have some mutha fuckin' courage
FUCK THE POLICE, sing along

COP KILLER! (repeat)

I'm a muthafuckin' COP KILLER!

COP KILLER (repeat)

-------------- END OF SONG -----------

Misha.