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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:58:09 -0500
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From:         folmsbee mark <zzfolm@ACC.WUACC.EDU>

Howdy from Topeka (Washburn University) Kansas....

I have several questions regarding Windows 3.1.

We have a cd-network that provides multi-user
access to approximately 10 different vendor's cd products (types?).
Several of them use 3 drives each or so...FYI this is a peer to
peer network (Lantastic) with multiple servers....

I set up a Windows interface on my own pc and plan to migrate it out
to the library staff shortly.  So far, I seem to have migrated the
whole CD network to Windows 3.1 (dos 5.0).  Wait ..to be more
accurate, I should say that everything seems to work fine in a SINGLE
session windows.  Multi-task, and problems crop up....

To get all this to work originally, I had to write batch files that
log into a variety of servers etc.  In some instances, 2 or 3
different systems are on the same server (where experience has shown
them not to interfere with one another)...

Problem...1  Since the batch files include logging off (as well as
on), when we set up multiple windows (multi-task), we on occasion
"destroy" the connection that another "window" needs.  Computer has a
fit.  Ideas?  Approach? Is there a way to use window "program groups"
that bring up program items, after certain network programs have been
executed for the whole group? (managing network log..on..off
etc)...Re-writing the batchfiles is no prob except that simple
removing all "logoff"s will have the effects of eventually having
everybody "logged" into everything.....

The next question will demonstrate my "acute" ignorance of windows I
expect, but...

Problem...2  With ready made windows software (like wordperfect for
windows), is there any way to precede the "ready made" wpwin.exe
program execution with a batch file that gets specialized features of
the network running (drives assigned etc) w/o using the windows macro
feature?  We pretty much mask our users from the network...they just
press buttons....Pif files are easily modified for non-ready made
window software.  Not too happy w/ windows macro approach.....

....am I missing something here?

Thanks for any advice in this area....

Mark Folmsbee
zzfolm@acc.wuacc.edu
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From:         Howard Pasternack <BLIPS15@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CDROM Networking and Network Load

Silver Platter is developing a client/server CD networking solution
which will likely be released in early 1993.  It will use tcp/ip
for networking and Silver Platter's own client/server protocols.

Howard Pasternack
Brown University
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:20:07 EDT
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From:         Steven Kirby <kirby@ATHENA.CS.UGA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: SCSI Express, NetWare & MSCDEX (a FAQ?).
              Oct 1, 92 9:10 pm

Actually, Knut, very few CD vendors absolutely require MSCDEX.  And SCSI
Express won't work with the extensions.  MDI offers an MSCDEX emulator for
those few apps that won't work without it.  But so far, we haven't run into
any problems doing without the extensions.  We're a most happy SCSI Express
site.  Feel free to drop me a note if you have questions.

--Steve


Steven Kirby
University of Georgia
kirby@athena.cs.uga.edu

>
> Hello, as a LAN + CD-ROM beginner i have this question:
>
> Is MSCDEX needed on a DOS-workstation connected in a LAN with a Novell NetWare
> 3.11 server with SCSI Express?
>
> With  needed  I  mean:  some  CD-ROM   (&  SW)  suppliers  have  MSCDEX  as  a
> prerequisite.Is this true in a LAN environment too, or does SCSI Express offer
> the   same  "service/DOS-interface"   to  search-software/-processes   on  the
> workstation as MSCDEX does?
>
> Any help with this, for me, important question are appreciated.
> (Or is this all wrong.....?)
>
> Thanks for your time.
>
> Regards,
> Knut
>
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:47:00 CST
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From:         FB23@UNTVAX.BITNET
Subject:      INTERESTING LITTLE QUESTION TO PONDER

I had thought that the theoretical storage space limitation on CD-ROM disks was
around 660 megabytes.  Yes, some have less, but I had never seen one with more
data on it than that.  660 is also the limit generally found in articles
discussing the technology.

Today, however, I had a look at the directory of a Compact Disclosure CD-ROM.
The disc has over 1 Gigabyte of files listed.  Is this a mistake?  There are
two files (different names) with over 500M each (both are identical sizes).

Question:  D'ya think that Compact Disclosure is doing something strange and
wild and new?  Is the theoretical data limit higher than we thought?  Is there
some sort of weird thing happening within our system, or is there some other
strange thing happening with that particular disc?

As an aside, Compact Disclosure has turned out to be easy to install on a
network and appears to be well behaved.  There are certain things that the
installation program does that I consider to be ill-mannered, but on the whole
it appears to be very network friendly (CBIS over Novell).

Arne J. Almquist
Assistant to the Director of Libraries for Networking
and Microcomputer Resources
University of N. Texas--Libraries
P.O. Box 5188
Denton, TX  76203-0188

ph. 817/565-3278
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:23:32 EDT
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From:         gyoung@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      Re: INTERESTING LITTLE QUESTION TO PONDER
              02 Oct 92 13:47:00 -0600. <9210021917.AA10372@Athena.MIT.EDU>

Data compression?  660MB isn't enough for a lot of applications so
compression is fairly common.  Maybe the quoted size is uncompressed.

-- Grant Young, Asst. Head
MIT Libraries -- Systems Office
gyoung@athena.mit.edu (gyoung%athena.mit.edu@mitvma)
"Nothing fancy, just so it works good."
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Date:         Sat, 3 Oct 1992 10:46:02 -0500
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From:         Carol Simpson <csimpson@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Books in Print

We had an initial problem.  It turns out that since we have MS-Extensions
loading in the autoexec.bat on our diskless workstations, we had to add a
switch in the command to load the program.  I don't have the file in front
of me, but I believe it was something about -o.
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:46:05 EDT
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From:         Joe Makley <EPDI15@PORTLAND.BITNET>

tHIS HAS BEEN great.  Can you help me get out now3
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:03:25 CDT
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From:         Jean Vik <YZCD@UTDALLAS.BITNET>
Subject:      PAIS on Network

Is anyone running the PAIS on CDROM from PAIS International on a Novell
network?  The person manning the PAIS booth at the LITA conference in
Denver said it would be best to use the Silverplatter version of PAIS for
a network.  However, when I called PAIS in New York, they seemed to think
others are using the PAIS software to run on a network.

        Jean Vik <YZCD@UTDALLAS.BITNET>
        University of Texas at Dallas
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:17:39 EDT
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From:         burton@BOBCAT.LMC.EDU
Subject:      CD-ROM on AT&T Starlan UNIX Servers

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     06-Oct-1992 03:14pm EST
                                        From:     Kathy Burton
                                                  BURTON
                                        Dept:     COMPUTER SERVICES
                                        Tel No:   704-898-5241 X769

TO:  Remote Addressee                     ( _cdromlan@idbsu.bitnet )


Subject: CD-ROM on AT&T Starlan UNIX Servers

         Does anyone have experience adding a DOS-based CD-ROM
         database to an AT&T Starlan server running UNIX.  This seems
         as though it should be simple and yet I haven't been able to
         find anyone doing it.  It seems that AT&T had a CD-ROM drive
         ready to ship before they bought out NCR and then the product
         was scrapped.  Now it seems they won't release UNIX drivers
         that would allow mounting of the drive as a UNIX file system
         which could then be shared across the Starlan.

         We are running Stargroup software for MS-DOS applications
         across our network and also have TCP-IP networking in place.
         Any suggestions would be appreciated.

         Kathy Burton
         Network Systems Analyst
         Lees-McRae College
         Banner Elk, NC  28604
         burton@bobcat.lmc.edu
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:33:55 BST
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From:         Richard Alexander/30000 <rda@LANGUAGE-CENTRE.GLASGOW.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Network cabling

RG59 is a 75 ohm cable
RG58 is a 50 ohm cable

Using RG59 with standard thin ethernet connectors and terminators is
almost bound to lead to problems.

Richard Alexander
Systems Manager
Language Centre
University of Glasgow
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:23:00 EST
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From:         Jill Ann Hurst 607-974-8358 <HURST_JA@CORNING.COM>
Subject:      CD-ROMs on a VAX

    Please respond to HURST_JA@CORNING.COM on the Internet.   Thanks!

    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    Corning Incorporated's two major libraries are investigating using
    a CD-ROM drive, connected to the VAX network, for accessing
    PC-based CD-ROM products.  [We have an older Logicraft unit
    installed on a VAX, and are looking for something better.]  We
    have had a demo of the Virtual System (Vserver) solution, and have
    information on Logicraft's new system and also Todd's.   If you
    have any information on how these systems compare, or maybe know
    of a system that is better, please contact me.  I will summarize
    all the replies and post them back on the listserv.

    Thanks in advance!

    Jill Ann Hurst
    Supervisor, Business Support Library
    Corning Incorporated
    Internet: HURST_JA@CORNING.COM
    Phone: 607-974-8358
    Fax: 607-974-4803
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:19:00 MDT
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From:         "DOV - DR. ART ST. GEORGE" <STGEORGE@UNMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Cdroms on a campus network

I have two questions:

1. what is the largest cdrom network you have installed, in terms of
   number of users accessing the material? What licensing or cost
   problems have you encountered?

2. I have a unix system and unix cdrom drives but do not see any applications
   for them, other than those with virtually no user interface. Do
   any of you have cdrom applications running under a unix platform?

Thanks
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:20:26 EDT
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From:         Normand Laniel <NLANIEL@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA>
Subject:      Re: Network cabling

rg59u is video cable
rg58 is thin ethernet

other considerations are type of shield aluminium/copper braided
type of middle conductor  hard core mono cupper or multibraid

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 University of Ottawa / Universite d'Ottawa, 65 University priv.
 Ottawa, Ontario, CDN. K1N 6N5  (613) 564-9917 FAX (613) 564-5871
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 11:29:01 -0500
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From:         FB23@VAXB.ACS.UNT.EDU
Subject:      Re: CDROM Networking and Network Load

We currently run a 33 drive system (plus 3 "logical" CD drives copied to
hard disk) on our Novell 3.11 LAN.  We have campus wide fiber and broadband
networks.  We also have close to 60 Novell 3.11 networks, all combined into
a Novell Internetwork.

The Libraries themselves are all attached via fiber with one 386/33 file
server serving all sites (5 buildings).  The system, in general, works quite
well.  We have not seen load-related problems over the backbone.  The majority
of traffic currently comes from a number of public access CD-ROM machines
located in several Library facilities and from staff PCs in the Libraries
themselves.  We do have access available to faculty and staff campus-wide.
This is growing in use.

Again, while we have occasionally had problems with our CD-ROM networking
system itself, we have not had problems with the backbone(s), or with our
internal building wiring plant.  The broadband is occasionally saturated
(the problem there is that a few network managers backup multiple servers
occasionally, and during our registration period, capacity is limited).  The
fiber has never given us a problem.

By the way, we currently have 130+ machines within the Libraries. 1500 PCs
across campus also have access to our CD-ROM system.

Arne J. Almquist
Assistant to the Director of Libraries for Networking
and Microcomputer Resources
University of N. Texas--Libraries

Ph. 817/565-3278
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 08:21:32 EDT
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From:         Howard Pasternack <BLIPS15@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CDROM Networking and Network Load

>Isn't SilverPlatter's client/server CD networking solution being beta tested
>at Brown?  Would it be possible to have progress reports from that site,  or
>would that be only industry information.
>
 Brown University is the beta test site in North America for what
 SilverPlatter calls the Electronic Reference Library (ERL).
 For a description of the ERL,
 see SilverPlatter's newsletter (the SilverPlatter Exchange), v. 5
 No. 1, June 1992, pp. 1, 6, 14-15.

 The equipment is currently in the process of being installed at Brown.
 In late November we expect to begin evaluating the client portion of
 system.

 Howard Pasternack
 Brown University
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:59:15 EST
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From:         david lewis <DLEWIS@UCONNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: PAIS on Network

We tried for some time to get the PAIS version of PAIS to run
on a Novell LAN with CBIS CD-ROM servers.  We were not successful.
The SilverPlatter version of PAIS runs fine.

However, the searching of PAIS on SilverPlatter has (IMHO) some
problems which result from the nature of PAIS subject headings
and the way most people search SilverPlatter.  The problems
can be overcome with good handouts and instruction.

For my money SilverPlatter is the way to go.

David Lewis
University of Connecticut
dlewis@uconnvm.uconn.edu
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:55:28 -0400
Reply-To:     Debra Rand <rand@aecom.yu.edu>
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From:         Debra Rand <rand@AECOM.YU.EDU>
Subject:      processors for dial-in access

We are evaluating two options for dial-in access to our lan.  One quote
utilizes J & L Chatterbox processors and the other utilizes Cubix
boards.  Both solutions use 486sx processors with (20 or 25) mghz 4mg RAM, 16
bit network cards and 9600b modems.  The Chatterbox processors are housed
in a Chatterbox Tower unit.  The Cubix would be housed in a 486 EISA machine.

In order to monitor usage and perhaps help users in realtime, the
Chatterbox solution requires a separate monitor and switch.  The RCI
MasteRConsole was recommended.  As I understand, the the Cubix solution
does not require a separate monitor and switch.  With an appropriate
password, a network administrator would be able to use any monitor on the
LAN to look at another user's screen.

I would be very interested in hearing from anyone who has experience with
either of these dial-in solutions with a minimum of eight dial-in ports.

Have there been any problems?
Did you consider both and choose one for any particular reason(s)?

Thank you for any help you can provide.

Debra Rand    Library Director
LOng Island Jewish Med Ctr.  New Hyde Park, NY
rand@aecom.yu.edu
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:35:13 IST
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From:         Doron Shikmoni <P85025@BARILVM.BITNET>
Subject:      CDROM Networking and Network Load

Hello all,

We're rather new to the concept of networking CDs. I have just started
to investigate the issue, and have already consumed quite a log of related
material (including CDROMLAN back issues).

The main question that strikes me, when I look at such systems, is that
of performance. And I have reason to believe that people on this forum
have experience on this subject. So, the #1 question is:

- Assuming that I want to search CDROMs via the campus backbone Ethernet.
  What network load penalty am I in for? How much do 3, 5, 10 searching users
  load an (already loaded) Ethernet?

When I first realized that all the CDROM networking solutions offer
a file-access engine, rather than a search engine, I shuddered, and
immediately banned all CDROM networking from the backbone. However,
I understand that people are actually doing it, and live to tell about
it. I also understand that the high access time of the media make it
less offensive in terms of network load. I'm really not sure whether
allowing CDROM networking on my backbone is asking for trouble or not.
Also, there's question #2:

- Would it not make sense to have a search engine, rather than a file access
  service engine? Something along the line of the Z39.50 "standard" or what.
  In terms of network load (and hence, performance on WANs), it should present
  a *dramatic* improvement over current technology. Is there such a product?
  Is there an announcement for such a product?

Thanks for any insight
Doron
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:42:53 CDT
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From:         Kerry Sanders <LB.KSD@ISUMVS.BITNET>

Hello everyone.  This is a bit of a follow up on our efforts to upgrade
our CD-ROM LAN at the Parks Library of Iowa State University.  A few
months ago, we told you that we were going to upgrade our existing LAN
(Lantastic, with Hitatchi CD-ROM drives), to a Novell environment,
running SCSI Express, and NEC CDR84 CD-ROM Drives, and the Adaptec 1542B
Controller cards.  We're also using HP SCSI Storage boxes to house our
CD-ROM drvies of which we currently have is 14.

The good news is, we have been very successful in our efforts to setup
7 drives, as well as to set up the Lantastic Server software for access.
Our initial tests have shown that there is a huge improvement in response
time, over our production system.  We have not been quite as successful
in setting up the remaining 7 drives.  These require an additional
controller, which we can not get to boot up with the first controlller
installed.  Both controllers will boot up by themselves so we know they
are in good working condition, but despite our efforts, we have not been
able to get them to work together.  We have followed Adaptecs instructions
of disabling the BIOS on the second controller, and resetting the following:

        The Port Address
        DMA Channel
        Interrupt Channel

We have tried several several different scenerios of the above options.
We have also removed all other boards such as Ethernet Card, Modem, and
checked the VGA board for conflicts.  Each time we get to the same place on
boot up.  The system identifies each of the settings listed above for each
controller, but ASPI4DOS does not install successfully.  Listed below is
our Config.sys file for further explanation.  Any thoughts or suggestions
would be greatly appreciated.


                 CONFIG.SYS

LASTDRIVE=R
DEVICE=C:\ADAPTEC\ASPI4DOS.SYS /d /p330 /p234
DEVICE=C:\ASW410\ASWCDNEC.SYS /D:ASPICD0 /NORST
DEVICE=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE
DEVICE=C:\QEMM\QEMM386.SYS RAM NOSH ARAM=C800-C9FF
dos=high
buffers=5
files=10
stacks=0,0


On a second note, is there any news concerning NLM's for the Meridian, or
Opti-Net CD-ROM products.  We understand they were suppose to come out
with something about this time, and we are still looking at options in
CD-ROM Networking software.  Thanks!

********************************************************************
* Kerry Sanders              *   Bitnet: LB$KSD@ISUMVS             *
* Automated Systems Division * Internet: LB$KSD@ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU *
* 034 Parks Library          *                                     *
* Iowa State University      *    Phone: (515) 294-4681            *
* Ames, Iowa 50011-2140      *      Fax: (515) 294-1885            *
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:21:15 EDT
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From:         "Doug T. Macbeth" <dtm@JAX.ORG>
Subject:      Re: CDROM Networking and Network Load

Isn't SilverPlatter's client/server CD networking solution being beta tested
at Brown?  Would it be possible to have progress reports from that site,  or
would that be only industry information.

Doug Macbeth
The Jackson Laboratory
Bar Harbor, Maine

dtm@aretha.jax.org
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 01:06:11 -0700
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From:         Teo Kirkinen <kirkinen@CC.HELSINKI.FI>
Subject:      Re: DOS CD's in a Mac network
              Sep 25, 92 10:11 pm

Our solution is a little different: the macs use the same Novell
file servers as the PCs and where the CD-ROMs are. In this setup
it seems to be easy to run DOS search software from the macs:
We are evaluating the Novell Access Server software which is mainly
used to provide incoming modem connection to the network. But
Mac users can connect to it over appletalk using the Onlan/Mac
software on the Macs.

Novell Access Server is a DOS+Desqview -based multiuser environment
for 8-16 simultaneous user on a fast 486 with lots of memory.
It seems to be possible (but not easy!) to get enought free DOS
memory under the Access Server to run most CD-ROM search software.

-- Teo K.
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