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Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: what a joke!
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:26:56 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <78085@ut-emx.uucp>, giskard@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daneel Olivaw) 
writes:
> 
>    There are no such things as ghosts, spirits, flying saucers, OBE's,
> close encounters of the third kind, mind power, psychic healing or any
> other trash that is commonly talked about in this group.  I say this 
> because you are all wasting your time talking about such nonsense.  But,
> now I have some time to waste, so I would like to hear from some of you
> about the following:
> 
> 1)  How come I can read my horoscope in one paper and it will be totally
>     contradictive (or opposite) in another paper?  Also, they are never
>     true.
> 
> 2)  OBE's are just a dream and certain people make them out to be more 
>     than that.  IT is all in the head, the idea of actually leaving your
>     body and often looking back at your lifeless lump of skin is so 
>     ludicrous that one who claims this, must have definite mental problems.
> 
> 3)  There are no such things as ghosts.  I think this was proven several 
>     times when a crew of 'parapsychologists' attempted to film a poltergeist
>     or 'spirit' and of course never didn't.  If they really existed, wouldn't
>     be likely that most people would have some sort of experience and beyond
>     that, some sort of documentation?
> 
> 4)  psychics are idiots, and some of them are lucky
> 
> 5)  As far as life after death--- although I dont believe in 
>     it.  It is fairly obvious that the people who almost died and had some
>     kind of experience, were hallucinating.  There is a common notion that
>     when you die you experience a warm, gentle, solitude feeling and every
>     thing is white.  THis occurs due to last second brain activity that
>     accesses this notion which is stored in memory.
> 
> 
> I might not have proof for the things that I just said, but there is no
> proof for any of the stuff mentioned in this group.
> 
> feel free to comment
> 
> Brandon
> 

thank you so much for setting us all straight.
since it's all a waste of time, i guess we should destroy the newsgroup.
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: johnm@cajal.uoregon.edu (John Martin)
Subject: Re: UFOs and abductions
Keywords: n
Organization: Institute of Neuroscience, University of Oregon
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:58:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.131950.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

>i know this might sound fishy, or like a cop-out, but has anyone out there ever
>considered that physical beings from another home planet, able to transport
>themselves through the emptiness of space to this humble solar system might
>also be able to cover up their tracks regarding the abduction of human beings?
>
>i think this idea deserves serious consideration.


Indeed it does. And my response is, they can.  But aliens are not perfect,
as may be indicated by reported alien craft crashes.  So let's look at the
odds.

The planet here is chock full of people. So full, that it is not inconcievable
that, no matter how hard you try, you have a reasonable chance of being
observed by someone else.  Add into that the supposition that therer are more
than one or two abductions occasionally. Let's say there are hundreds, every
week (not unreasonable).  This further increases the odds of a third party
being in a position to see what's happening.  Now let's say that the aliens
can become undetectable, and make others undetectable, too, by some mechanism.
With many abductions occurring often, and the aliens inherent imperfections,
mistake are bound to happen occasionally, and sometimes, someone will see!

Not often, mind you, but there are not very many reliable reports of
abductions, either.  And some people (perhaps most?) will be reluctant to
say *anything* because of the stigma attached.

If I were an alien involved in these activities, I certainly wouldn't
be too worried about the few who catch a glimpse...


-- 
John Martin                                        johnm@cajal.uoregon.edu
Institute of Neuroscience,   University of Oregon,    Eugene, OR,    97402
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: physical evidence
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:58:43 GMT

In article <3283@bcstec.ca.boeing.com>, kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes in part:
|> It's been done.  There are recordings of a subject sleepwalking while
|> she turns the camera off.  Supposedly the beings remained off-camera until
|> this happened.
It sounds to me like they caught the perpetrator on camera just like
they hoped! :-)

Actually, I think I would have used a camera that was a BIT harder to
tamper with than that.  Like say, locking the camera in a box, or up out
of reach, and locking the victim in the room so she can't get out to turn 
off the power.  In other words, just use about the same level of security 
used in the average K-mart.  If someone other than the victim tampers
with the camera, you've got good evidence of a crime even if you don't
catch the particular attacker.  THEN you take REAL action--protective
custody, guard dogs, motions sensors, the works....

|> Now part of the claims of the abductees is that there seems to be a form
|> of telepathy involved.  
But if telepathy is involved, then there hardly have to be any aliens
at all--the telepaths could implant the whole idea....  Seriously,
once you invoke telepathy, all logic is useless, as literally
ANYTHING could happen or appear to happen.  The telepathy hypothesis
is fatal to all other hypotheses, including the alien abduction
hypothesis.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
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Followup-To: 
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Subject: Re: physical evidence
Keywords: 

In article <3283@bcstec.ca.boeing.com>, kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes:
|> In article <BsvL27.1AJ@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
|> >   events in it.  Turn on a videotape loop every night before going
|> >   to bed.  Maybe prepare the ground outside to mark footprints.
|> >   Set up automatic video or camera equipment around the house 
|> >   to record people (beings, whatever) going in and out.  Et cetera.
|> 
|> 
|> It's been done.  There are recordings of a subject sleepwalking while
|> she turns the camera off.  Supposedly the beings remained off-camera until
|> this happened.
|> 
|> Now part of the claims of the abductees is that there seems to be a form
|> of telepathy involved.  If that's the case (What? Now I have to prove
|> Telepathy, Too??) then you'll not only have to put a camera on the 
|> victim and their residence, but you'll also have to do it without
|> the victim's knowledge.  And also, you'll have to avoid having
|> someone watching from nearby, with the knowledge the events are taped.
|> You might put someone nearby, and put them on camera, too, without
|> their knowledge.  If they know about it, they can think about it, and
|> if Telepathy is associated with this, then the abductors will know 
|> about it.
|> 
|> Of course, they might have some means to scan for electrical activity
|> nearby... 
|> 
|> Rick
|> 
|> -- 
|> Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.
|> kuryakin@bcstec.boeing.com       |           
|> AppleLink:  kuryakin             | It wastes your time           
|> r.pavek1@GENIE                   |          and annoys the droid.  

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Xref: sparky alt.paranormal:2113 alt.consciousness:402
From: stanley@verga.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.consciousness
Subject: Re: a couple of questions
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:39:31 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Aug10.153242.1250@irscscm.UUCP>, cwilkins@irscscm.UUCP (Charlie Wilkinson) writes...
>rfrazier%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Robert Frazier) writes:
>: 
>: 	I agree that there is a sort of collective conscience out there, and
>: that people are more or less capable of tapping into this knowledge.  This
>: idea is quite common, actually it can be found in many religions and
>: philosophies.  
> 
>[lotsa interesting stuff deleted...]
> 
>: 	What exactly is human intuition?
>: 
>: 	My personal experiences have first gave me the feeling that there
>: is some sort of underlying low-level link between everything, and further
>: experience is strengthening this belief.
> 
>I think intuition is a sub-conscious and/or conscious use of the link that
>you mentioned above.
> 
>: 	What does everyone think?
> 
>Todd, I think you are 100% on target.  If everything all the way down to the
>lowly atom has a certain level of consciousness, then it stands to reason
>that the whole mess would be tied into the "collective consciousness" or
>"astral library" or whatever you want to call it.  I feel that every thought,
>action, event, every little particle of matter is somehow connected to 
>everything else, IMHO.
> 
>What does everyone else think?  I sense that some of you agree.   ;-)
> 
>--
>cwilkins@irscscm.uucp                                   /======================\
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I agree too.  Reality... existence... appears to be like a hologram... all
connected and all interconnected.
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: UFOs and abductions
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:19:50 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

i know this might sound fishy, or like a cop-out, but has anyone out there ever
considered that physical beings from another home planet, able to transport
themselves through the emptiness of space to this humble solar system might
also be able to cover up their tracks regarding the abduction of human beings?

i think this idea deserves serious consideration.

Jude
From: Jason.Dempsey@iphase.UUCP (Jason Dempsey)
Sender: FredGate@iphase.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Ufo's and abductions
Date: 19 Aug 92  23:26:00 EST

        About all of these people who claim that they were abducted by UFO's or whatever they were, are or were or could these people just be schizophrenics(sp).  It is a very serious disease.  Could that be a possibility?

 * Origin: Aether (1:112/2020)
From: revpk@cellar.org (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Psychic Surgery
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:27:33 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

> In article <1992Aug5.222455.8659@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert 
> McGrath) writes:
> > In article <1992Aug05.172151.8612@brtph560.bnr.ca>, ritz@brtph95.bnr.ca 
> > (Charles Ritz P215) writes:
> > |>    Does anybody have any recommendations concerning a good
> > |> psychic surgeon?  A friend of mine will be needing surgery
> > |> soon and he wants his surgeon to be schooled in the latest
> > |> methods of psychic surgery.  
> > |> -- 
> > |> 
> > |> Charles Ritz   The opinions above do not necessarily represent the
> > |> BNR, Inc       views of my employer, but they should.
> > 
> > Is this a joke?
> 
> i don't mean to dig this up out of the graveyard but i'm just starting to cat
> up on the back-articles.  i just want to say that i think this is a not-so-ni
> response to a sincere question.  the group is called alt.paranormal, right? 
> there are some people here who believe in the reality of "paranormal
> phenomena".  there are some people here who don't.  personally, i believe in
> psychic healing and if i knew a good psychic surgeon (which i don't, sorry) i
> would have sent or posted a sincere response.  i don't think the comment "is
> this a joke" was at all justified in the context of an answer to a sincere
> question posted to an appropriate newsgroup.
> 
> yours in dismay,
> 
> Jude

        Look, there are some things that just don't deserve politeness, and 
the scam of psychic surgery is one of them. Frankly, the person asking the 
question is trying to find better information to do more harm to his friend, 
mainly out of ignorance and wishful thinking. And chances are, when he does 
find a 'psychic healer,' his friend will pay lots of money to get healed, 
come back home, and find that he's as sick as ever.

        I did post the sources on some critical material on psychic healing, 
so I probably did the person a real favor by steering him towards some better 
information.

        And I want to know whether the friend lives or dies. I've buffered 
the original message: I'll follow up later.


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brian "Rev. P-K" Siano                                  revpk@cellar.org
"What? They have BIGGER DICKS?! _BOMB THEM!!!!_"
                        Our Leaders, paraphrased by George Carlin
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: UFOs and abductions
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:51:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.131950.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
|> i know this might sound fishy, or like a cop-out, but has anyone out there ever
|> considered that physical beings from another home planet, able to transport
|> themselves through the emptiness of space to this humble solar system might
|> also be able to cover up their tracks regarding the abduction of human beings?
|> 
|> i think this idea deserves serious consideration.
|> 
|> Jude

"Cover up" ALL physical traces, on ALL wavelengths?  And be able to
selectively blot out human memories at will?  Able to sneak about 
human society snarfing up and returning people with noone ever 
seeing them?  Etc.  Very remarkable indeed!

Sure.  Lots of people have considered this possibility.  Science
fiction has been full of interesting speculations along these lines
for more than half a century.  Those of us who have given it 
SERIOUS consideration realize the difficulty of the proposed
abilities.

The question is, of course, not whether such things are conceivable, but
whether such things have actually happenned!

Has anyone out there ever considered that humans capable of lying-
to-their-parents-about-where-they-were-last-night when they were
teenagers might also be able to think up abductions about aliens 
that somehow were able to leave no traces at all?

I think my idea deserves serious consideration.  :-)

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: UFOs and abductions
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:32:23 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Aug12.215131.24898@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert 
McGrath) writes:
 
> "Cover up" ALL physical traces, on ALL wavelengths?  And be able to
> selectively blot out human memories at will?  Able to sneak about 
> human society snarfing up and returning people with noone ever 
> seeing them?  Etc.  Very remarkable indeed!

they wouldn't have to cover up all traces on all wavelengths; only those which
humans are capable of perceiving.
 
> Sure.  Lots of people have considered this possibility.  Science
> fiction has been full of interesting speculations along these lines
> for more than half a century.  Those of us who have given it 
> SERIOUS consideration realize the difficulty of the proposed
> abilities.

i'll bite.  why are they so difficult?
 
> The question is, of course, not whether such things are conceivable, but
> whether such things have actually happenned!

yes, but i am simply using a hypothetical (or is it?) situation to make the
point that just because there is no "concrete" evidence of such alien activity,
that does not necessarily mean that said activity is not going on.

> Has anyone out there ever considered that humans capable of lying-
> to-their-parents-about-where-they-were-last-night when they were
> teenagers might also be able to think up abductions about aliens 
> that somehow were able to leave no traces at all?

yes, but what would be their motivation?  to allege alien abduction is to risk
being ostracized.  yes, maybe it would sell a few books but i've found that
human nature is to tell the truth unless one feels backed into a corner.
 
> I think my idea deserves serious consideration.  :-)

certainly :)
 
Jude
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: tucker@maestro.mitre.org (William Tucker)
Subject: Re: a couple of questions
 Keywords: Re: a couple of questions
Reply-To: tucker@maestro.mitre.org (William Tucker)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Va
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:34:20 GMT



:>Todd, I think you are 100% on target.  If everything all the way down to the
:>lowly atom has a certain level of consciousness, then it stands to reason
:>that the whole mess would be tied into the "collective consciousness" or
:>"astral library" or whatever you want to call it.  I feel that every thought,
:>action, event, every little particle of matter is somehow connected to 
:>everything else, IMHO.
:> 
:>What does everyone else think?  I sense that some of you agree.   ;-)
:> 

:I agree too.  Reality... existence... appears to be like a hologram... all
:connected and all interconnected.

Yesirree, seems that way. However I opt for some sort of concurrency of 
universes/dimensions as well.....different levels of reality as well in the
same "space."


Wm T.

.standard disclaimer
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: c9109149@cc.newcastle.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Important Topic for People (:
Date: 18 Aug 92 07:14:10 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA

Trevor Cederqusist's post intrigued me, and I have something to add.
The behaviour/psychological makeup of a visitor-syndrome prone person
as described in the medline article may not be cause but effect due
to the trauma and subsequent damage to a persons belief systems of being
visited.
	I can relate to this, and my opinion is that happy people have 
strange experince that worries them, not worried people make up strange
experience to make them happy. Just my opinion.
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: what a joke!
Date: 22 Aug 92 01:31:23 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <78085@ut-emx.uucp> giskard@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daneel Olivaw) writes:
>
>   There are no such things as ghosts, spirits, flying saucers, OBE's,
>close encounters of the third kind, mind power, psychic healing or any
>other trash that is commonly talked about in this group. 

There may be no such thing as ghosts, but that assertion somehow offers
no insight to those who believe they have seen a ghost.

Thirty years ago and shortly after my sister died of cancer, our house
became "haunted." I saw my sister once, and I heard her voice many
times. Other members of my family had similar experiences. It's the
kind of experience you never forget. Even though thirty years have
passed, I still have a vivid memory of every detail.

My understanding is that this sort of experience among surviving family
members of the deceased is fairly common. 
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.consciousness
From: cwilkins@irscscm.UUCP (Charlie Wilkinson)
Subject: Re: a couple of questions
Organization: Internal Revenue Service
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 15:32:42 GMT

rfrazier%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Robert Frazier) writes:
: 
: 	I agree that there is a sort of collective conscience out there, and
: that people are more or less capable of tapping into this knowledge.  This
: idea is quite common, actually it can be found in many religions and
: philosophies.  

[lotsa interesting stuff deleted...]

: 	What exactly is human intuition?
: 
: 	My personal experiences have first gave me the feeling that there
: is some sort of underlying low-level link between everything, and further
: experience is strengthening this belief.
 
I think intuition is a sub-conscious and/or conscious use of the link that
you mentioned above.

: 	What does everyone think?

Todd, I think you are 100% on target.  If everything all the way down to the
lowly atom has a certain level of consciousness, then it stands to reason
that the whole mess would be tied into the "collective consciousness" or
"astral library" or whatever you want to call it.  I feel that every thought,
action, event, every little particle of matter is somehow connected to 
everything else, IMHO.

What does everyone else think?  I sense that some of you agree.   ;-)

--
cwilkins@irscscm.uucp                                   /======================\
uunet!mimsy!prometheus!media!ka3ovk!irscscm!cwilkins    | Micro-Sig(tm) pellet |
N3HAZ@KA3RFE.MD.USA.NA                                  |   -just add water    |
...or you can call me Charlie                           \======================/
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Psychic Surgery
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:28:55 GMT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Aug5.222455.8659@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert 
McGrath) writes:
> In article <1992Aug05.172151.8612@brtph560.bnr.ca>, ritz@brtph95.bnr.ca 
> (Charles Ritz P215) writes:
> |>    Does anybody have any recommendations concerning a good
> |> psychic surgeon?  A friend of mine will be needing surgery
> |> soon and he wants his surgeon to be schooled in the latest
> |> methods of psychic surgery.  
> |> -- 
> |> 
> |> Charles Ritz   The opinions above do not necessarily represent the
> |> BNR, Inc       views of my employer, but they should.
> 
> Is this a joke?

i don't mean to dig this up out of the graveyard but i'm just starting to catch
up on the back-articles.  i just want to say that i think this is a not-so-nice
response to a sincere question.  the group is called alt.paranormal, right? 
there are some people here who believe in the reality of "paranormal
phenomena".  there are some people here who don't.  personally, i believe in
psychic healing and if i knew a good psychic surgeon (which i don't, sorry) i
would have sent or posted a sincere response.  i don't think the comment "is
this a joke" was at all justified in the context of an answer to a sincere
question posted to an appropriate newsgroup.

yours in dismay,

Jude
From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: E.W. - Anastasia did survive!
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:34:10 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Aug12.205252.21896@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> 
sad@dasher.uucp (22430s-downie) writes:
[...]
>
>Do you have the name of the general or the woman?  I would like to 
>look her name up.  Was she mentioned in Peter Kurth's book, The Riddle
>of Anna Anderson"?

Dunno if she was ever interviewed or mentioned in any books.  Her name's
Concordia (forget the last name).  I can remember listening to her stories
as a kid - fascinating woman.  Haven't seen her in a few years though.
Should probably look her up before I can't.

	RA
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: a couple of questions
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 16:43:54 +0000

I'll put my support in for the 'Astral Library' model too.

Leo
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal