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From: aatd1@sgies14.sdrc.com (derek hart)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: large tetras
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:19:00 GMT
Organization: SDRC

Hi all - 

Does anyone have any good suggestions for building modular tetrahedron
(triangular pyramids) box kites?  I am specifically wondering about the 
best design (strongest/lightest) for the interface between modules.  Also,
what would be best unit size for a single module?

I seem to remember a photo of a man hanging from a very large assembly of 
these kites while it was towed behind a large ship.

Thanks.  Derek Hart
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: AKA Convention Dates?
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:17:19 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1is299INN7sa@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>
>I am having trouble locating dates for the 1993 AKA Convention.  After looking
> 

The AKA board meets 1/21/93. I'll be sure to ask the dates and post it back hereafter the meeting. The next few years are hoped to be tied down also as to
location.

Later.


-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
Newsgroups: rec.kites,rec.photo
From: sevenup@netcom.com (Mark W. Moorcroft)
Subject: Re: Query: Aerial photography with kites
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: us
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:53:52 GMT



Write to "Into the Wind" @ 1408 Pearl St. Boulder, CO 80302
for a really cool kite catalog that includes kites that will
lift up to 10 pounds.or call @ 800-541-0314


--have fun

-- 

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From: wbs@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: suppliers of kite materials in UK
Date: 4 Jan 93 10:39:42 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1993Jan3.141316.2781@ohm.york.ac.uk>, jkn@ohm.york.ac.uk (John Nicoll) writes:
> Hello all
> 	I'm interested in finding sources of the following
> in the UK:
> 
> i) Tyvek - Is this known by anything else in the UK? I believe
> I would recognise it if I saw it. (I haven't tried PaparChase
> or similar yet)

Well, years ago I got some from the Kite Shop in London; but I haven't seen
any for sale for ages. In fact I haven't seen anyone flying a kite made
from Tyvek for years (except my own Sleds and Russell Hall.) I have a vague
feeling that I read somewhere that it wasn't easily available any more.


B.
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Power Kiting
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:32:44 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Regarding power kiting, the AKA is adressing the issue and will publish
a report/guidlines come this spring. The intial report is due in late
January, with a more formal report (ie, probably a guide book or something
along those lines) due in late spring. If you are interested or have
input for the committee, you should contact Dean Jordan of Jordan Air Kites
in Gainesville, Florida, (904) 373-7018 or (904) 373-0744 FAX.

As for myself, I recently learned that sand skis are being manufactured 
by someone in Ohio I believe. They run $50 - $125 approx. I will probably
get a pair and give it a shot come this summer up at Myrtle Beach.

The kites of choice these days for power kiting are the Peel, the 
Quadrifoil or Hawian Team Kites. Of course Flexi's are the old stand by
and lots of people use them.

The hottest thing is buggies. Next year ther is going to be an informal
buggy jam after the KTA Convention in Las Vegas (AKA sanction specifically
NOT requested) and they are going to buggy till they drop, according
to Corey. For more info, get in touch with Corey Jensen (all kite folks
should know of whom I speak).

PS: Remeber that saftey, proper equipment and well maintained equipment
are the most important factors in power kiting. Please don't run out
and try it with out proper knowledge, equipment and space.

-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
From: alfa@werple.apana.org.au (Glenn Durden)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Sprinter
Date: 7 Jan 1993 22:58:58 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: werple.apana.org.au


In the last week or three, I've gotten a dual string kite.
Its a "Sprinter", made by Harts Kites in Australia.
 
Since it is my first dual string kite, I'm quite happy with it,
but I was just wondering out of curiosity if the more experienced
folks out there have any opinion of it.
 Is it considered{ quite good, or is it a truck and I dont know
any better
????  (a quizzical look here)
From: pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM (Pete Stryjewski)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: AKA Convention Dates?
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:04:09 GMT
Reply-To: pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: "Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation, Dallas, TX."
NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.central.sun.com


I am having trouble locating dates for the 1993 AKA Convention.  After looking
through several back issues of magazines and Kiting, I can't find dates.  I did
see that the executive board okay'd Seaside.  Help, I am trying to make vacation
plans.


Also,  what is the date on the most recent issue of SKQ?  What is on the cover of
the last two issues?

Thanks,

Pete
pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM
 
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki)
Subject: Re: large tetras
Reply-To: sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki)
Organization: Harvard University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:24:09 GMT


In article <320@heimdall.sdrc.com>, aatd1@sgies14.sdrc.com (derek hart) writes:
>Does anyone have any good suggestions for building modular tetrahedron
>(triangular pyramids) box kites?  I am specifically wondering about the 
>best design (strongest/lightest) for the interface between modules.  Also,
>what would be best unit size for a single module?

One of the problems with tetras in general is that they weigh a lot
for their effective wing area. In a normal tetra it takes 6 sticks for
each cell. The tendancy is to use light materials in order to get a
kite light enough to fly in light wind.

The approach that I've seen most often is to have a large tetrahedon
frame made out of fairly strong material. Smaller tetrahedrons are
attached to this frame, sharing parts of the frame where possible.

Someone makes a tetra that uses a rather clever system of four
hollow fiberglass rods and two thin solid rods that produce a fairly
strong, yet still light weight, cell.

I've experimented with kites that use tensegrities as frames and found
that tie-wraps (those plastic things that are often used to bundle
wires together) are useful for assembling multiple sails together. You
can get tie-wraps as big and as strong as you like, they are even
being used in lieu of handcuffs.
--
Marty Sasaki               Harvard University           Sasaki Kite Fabrications
sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu  Network Operations Division  26 Green Street
                           10 Ware Street               Jamaica Plain, MA 02130
                           Cambridge, MA 02138-4002     phone/fax: 617-522-8546

Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: WVOSS@novell.com (Wes Voss)
Subject: Re: Aerial photography with kites
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:28:35 GMT

>We've gotten great photos of the Ann Arbor area.  We've had a number
>of crashes, but the aluminum plate seems to protect the equipment.
>
>We're toying with the idea of putting together a CCD camera and a
>real-time video downlink.  We're also looking into changing the
>camera aim direction from the ground.
>
>It's been a lot of fun and a real learning experience.

Sounds very interesting. Is there any chance you would be willing to scan 
some of them in and uudecode them, then post them here? I would be 
interested in seeing how they turn out...

Thanks!
Wes

--------------------------------------------------
Wes Voss
Internet: wvoss@novell.com
Standard Disclaimer: Yeah, these are my opinions,
and no one elses... You know the rest...
--------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: robertw@cv.hp.com (Robert B. Williams)
Subject: kite skiing
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.9 PL6]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:05:55 GMT

Here in the rainy PNW, it hasn't snowed all that much the last few
winters.  This winter is more like normal.

So it snowed 4.5".  And very uncharactistically, got cold.  Saturday was
clear, cold and blowing from the North.  So I did what any
self-respeting kiter would do, I took my skiis and 8' FlexiFoil out to
the Hyslop Farm fields.  Big open mowed (publically owned) fields, no
fences, and good wind exposure.  Blowing about 15kts.  So I put on my
skiis and went out into the middle of the field and set up the kite.
Francie gave me a launch, it went up, yanked me off my feet (skiis on)
and came down with a crash.  After 4-5 more of these, I figured out I
had the lines rigged backwards.  So I changed hands, and things were
MUCH better!  It's amazing how fast I get pull right, push left to go
right wired into my brain, and can't fly backwards.

Kite skiing is a gas.  My single kite could pull me straight across the
wind, (slowly) and about 7-8mph a little off of downwind.  It even
pulled me up a little hill.  I could not make any way to windward. It
seems the Flexi just doesn't pull in the corners. 

A couple of questions for the net:

I read that some kites (Peel, Parawing...)  will pull in the corners
much better than the Flexi.  Is this true?  Is it just because they're
bigger and pull harder all over the sky, or do they depower or something,
in the power zone more than the flexi?  The small Peel is 2.5M, my 8'
flexi is 1.5M.  That's a big difference.

How can I self launch from a small boat?  I can usually self launch on
snow or sand, but wet water?  Do any of the other pulling kites launch
easier?

OK, that was 3 questions.

I can hardly wait to try it in more wind or from a small boat.  (glub
glub).

--

Robert Williams    robertw@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com    503-750-2818
HP in Corvallis Oregon
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: kite skiing
Date: 12 Jan 93 04:34:06 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

Thanks to Robert Williams for his article on kite skiing.  It's something
I've been waiting to try, but DC is rarely conducive to such experiments.

Lately, I've been getting much more into this whole "power kiting" concept.
I've now been sand-skiing (on my shoes and my rear) 4 times over the last
year or so, and it just keeps getting more fun and more exhilerating.  
My most recent experiences were with my Q-25 on New Years day and with
a stack of Spin-Offs later that afternoon.  The Quadrifoil was pulling
just enough to get a slide going.  Exciting, but not much more.  The
Spin-Offs, on the other hand, were a scream!  I was flying 4 of them
(the friend who owns them had left the 5th off his stack) in about 15-18 mph
winds, on 150' lines.  In the time it took the kites to go from the 
ground to the top of the window, I skiied the 150+ feet to where the 
assistant had set up the kites.  I believe these kites were actually
pulling more than the 7 6' flexis I flew in ~18mph and the RBK I flew in
22-25mph.  It's a bit scary the first time you decide to pick up the
handles, but after that, they're hard to put down (and not just because
your arms hurt!) 

A quick question for any Quadrifoil owners:  I just got my kite 2 weeks
ago, and I've been flying it on an old set of Rev lines--50', 150# top and
bottom.  I've noticed a nasty vibration that sets up on the lower lines
in higher winds.  Anybody else have this problem?  Is it a function of too-
heavy lines on the bottom?  (I've heard the 135 or even 80 is sufficient;
then again, I know that a lot of people use 135# for their top lines, and
with the way that kite's yanked me around, I won't use anything under 150#).
Any thoughts?  Also, what's the feeling on the line connecting the two
halves of the bridle--the one the manual recommends cutting after you're
comfortable with the kite.  I cut mine when I first got the kite and
added a removable larks-head link line so I can attach or detach the
bridles at will.  It seems that low wind performance is definitely
better without the connector.  However, as the wind picks up, the lip of the
center two cells (the unbridled cells) have a tendency to collapse,
acting as sort of an airbrake and messing up the performance of the kite.
With the bridles connected, the center cells stay inflated much better;
there's a slight tendency for the outer two cells to collapse a bit,
but this doesn't to effect flight.  Do most folks fly with or without this
line?

(for those who've cut their lines and not made contingency plans, but want
to see the effect I'm talking about, the bridle halves should be 15.5"
apart when they're connected)

Jeff

-- 
|Jeffrey C. Burka        | "Fairies are the perfect people to do this        |
|(suffering Bad Grammar) |  sort of work.  Biologically, their upper         |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu    |  bodies are strong enough to wield a pickaxe...." |
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Another death in the Kiting Community
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:14:10 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I wish I wasn't the one to bring this sad note, but our community has
lost another influential member. Leland Toy passed away last Thursday
after a long illness. His presence will be missed by all of us.

The AKA is planning to name a significant award in his memory according
to David Gomberg.


-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
From: sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: Another death in the Kiting Community
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:11:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1993Jan12.201134.1677
Reply-To: sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki)
Organization: Harvard University


In article <79862@hydra.gatech.EDU>, sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P) writes:
>I wish I wasn't the one to bring this sad note, but our community has
>lost another influential member. Leland Toy passed away last Thursday
>after a long illness. His presence will be missed by all of us.

Bad news indeed. I had several chances to talk with Lee over the
years. He was a truly inspired kite personage. He will be missed.
--
Marty Sasaki               Harvard University           Sasaki Kite Fabrications
sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu  Network Operations Division  26 Green Street
                           10 Ware Street               Jamaica Plain, MA 02130
                           Cambridge, MA 02138-4002     phone/fax: 617-522-8546
Newsgroups: rec.kites
From: majewski@spsd630a.erim.org (Ron Majewski)
Subject: Re: Aerial photography with kites
Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan
Date: 4 Jan 93 13:09:05


A friend of mine and I have been taking aerial photographs with 
kites for a few years now.

The camera is a canon snappy - 35mm film, 35mm fixed focus lens, auto advance

We use an RC servo as an actuator for the shutter release (this is 
mechanical on the snappy).  It works very well, but adds weight.  
The camera, servo, RC receiver, and batteries are all attached to a
small sheet of aluminum and weigh a total of 19 oz.  The assembly is
hung from the bridal-kite line junction.  To snap off a picture, one
only has to push one of the RC control levers.  We watch the camera
assembly and take photos during "calm" periods.  Camera direction 
is set by hand while the payload is on the ground.

As far as lifting kites go, we've used quite a few.  Our first kite
was a 3ft parafoil.  That kite seemed to be altitude limited with the
payload -- maybe around 300ft.  The second try was a 4ft double french
military.  This worked about the same as the parafoil.  The most recent
kite we've used is a 6ft cody.  The cody needs moderate winds, but easily
lifts the payload to 500+ ft; it is also very stable.

We've gotten great photos of the Ann Arbor area.  We've had a number
of crashes, but the aluminum plate seems to protect the equipment.

We're toying with the idea of putting together a CCD camera and a
real-time video downlink.  We're also looking into changing the
camera aim direction from the ground.

It's been a lot of fun and a real learning experience.




 
--

Ron Majewski (majewski@erim.org)

The Environmental Research Institute of Michigan
From: sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: AKA Convention Dates?
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:30:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1993Jan11.173028.7544
Reply-To: sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu (Marty Sasaki)
Organization: Harvard University


In article <1is299INN7sa@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, pstryjew@colsun.Central.Sun.COM (Pete Stryjewski) writes:
>I am having trouble locating dates for the 1993 AKA Convention.  After looking
>through several back issues of magazines and Kiting, I can't find dates.  I did
>see that the executive board okay'd Seaside.  Help, I am trying to make vacation
>plans.

For these types of questions, your best bet is to call AKA and ask.
The number is 800-AKA-2550.

However, to save you call, the dates are October 13th through the
17th. I believe that the event hotel is the Shilo in Seaside.

>Also,  what is the date on the most recent issue of SKQ?  What is on the cover of
>the last two issues?

The most recent issue of SKQ has been out for a few weeks. The cover
date is has "Summer" and "Fall" with lines drawn through them and
"Winter 1993" under it. They home to have the next issue out on time,
but there might be a delay, Bob Hanson's home was flooded in the storm
last month and he lost about 80% of his things.
--
Marty Sasaki               Harvard University           Sasaki Kite Fabrications
sasaki@netop3.harvard.edu  Network Operations Division  26 Green Street
                           10 Ware Street               Jamaica Plain, MA 02130
                           Cambridge, MA 02138-4002     phone/fax: 617-522-8546
From: besse@cix.cict.fr (Philippe Besse)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Postscript files
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:10:14 GMT
Reply-To: besse@cix.cict.fr (Philippe Besse)

I got problems with postscript files. After uudecode, ... 
they are damaged. It seems that a lot of information are lost 
throw Atlantic Ocean ... Is it possible to get them by means of ftp ?
Thanks
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From: sgreene@access.digex.com (Stephan Greene)
Newsgroups: rec.kites
Subject: Re: large tetras
Date: 10 Jan 1993 18:09:33 GMT
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <320@heimdall.sdrc.com> aatd1@sgies14.sdrc.com (derek hart) writes:
>Hi all - 
>
>Does anyone have any good suggestions for building modular tetrahedron
>(triangular pyramids) box kites?  I am specifically wondering about the 
>best design (strongest/lightest) for the interface between modules.  Also,
>what would be best unit size for a single module?
>
>I seem to remember a photo of a man hanging from a very large assembly of 
>these kites while it was towed behind a large ship.
>
>Thanks.  Derek Hart

Many (over fifteen!) years ago, I purchased a tetra kite kit.  The joints
between "cells" were ijection modlded plastic parts with short stubs for
joining the individual cells and the stringers that formed each cell.  The system
was inherently expandable, by joining groups of four-cell kites into a single
larger kite.

These joints were also rather weak, and were prone to disconnecting at
inpapprpopiate momemnts (like in flight!) and breakage on the ground.

I wonder if tinker-toy pieces and wood dowels would work?  The tinker toy
pieces are rather large, but glud could keep ebexxx everything tohxxx togetger
(at the price of not being able to disassemble the monster!)

Steve Greene
sgreene@access.digex.com
From: weekley@helios.phy.ohiou.edu (Don Weekley)
Newsgroups: rec.mag
Subject: WANTED: OUI mag early 80s
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:28:41 GMT
Organization: Ohio University ASCGL, Athens

I am still interested in purchasing a copy of the OUI magazine
that Demi Moore appeared in circa 1980-82. I am willing to pay
cash money for this magazine.

If anyone has a copy or knows how to find a copy of this magazine
write to me at the e-mail address above. Ask your price and I will
see what I can do.

Thanks in advance.			Don

-- 
Don't stop thinking about tomorrow.....
From: slt22@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.mag
Subject: Hustler
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:02:23 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

     Any fellow Hustler fans out there?  If so, let's talk.
Xref: sparky rec.mag:300 rec.misc:353 alt.fandom.misc:66
From: cn577@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine)
Newsgroups: rec.mag,rec.misc,alt.fandom.misc
Subject: CV Reply Card
Date: 10 Jan 1993 18:29:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cn577@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu



What did you think of the first issue?  


How do you think it can be improved?

What subjects would you like to see covered?

Would you be interested in a subscription to the paper version,
which includes the first-rate photos and cartoons we can't include
in the electronic version?

-- 
                     CYBERSPACE VANGUARD MAGAZINE
           News and Views from the Science Fiction Universe
TJ Goldstein, Editor      |   Send submissions, questions, comments to
  tlg4@po.cwru.edu        |         cn577@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: cs161fef@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Capt Crunch.)
Newsgroups: rec.mag
Subject: testing
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:43:41 GMT

this is a test.
*chuc*
From: bneale@access.digex.com (Brian Neale)
Newsgroups: rec.mag
Subject: Playboy: SI Models?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:11:20 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3



Does anyone know what issues of Playboy, any of the SI models have
appeared in?  I believe Stephanie Seymour was in March 1991.  Didn't Cindy
Crawford appear in some sort of pictorial?


--
Brian Neale
bneale@access.digex.com
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