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From: mgaudrea@csc.afit.af.mil (Michele Gaudreault, 54192)
Subject: Birth Announcement/Labor Story
Followup-To:  misc.kids
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: mgaudrea@csc.afit.af.mil
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology - WPAFB, OH, USA
Distribution:  usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:30:50 GMT

Pierre, Michele, and Marie joyfully announce the arrival of

            Liana Michele Gaudreault

            Born May 23, 1992 at 8:04 in the evening

            8 lbs     20 in


Labor Summary:

Labor was on and off for two days, so we decided to go ahead with the 
planned barbecue.  The first couple (of two) arrived at 3:30, at which time 
my contractions went from 10 min apart to 3 min apart.  I wasn't alarmed -- 
they'd space out again soon.  The second couple arrived at 4:00, and the 
contractions were now 2 1/1 min apart.  I decided they weren't going to 
space out and told Pierre to hurry up and cook the meat.  I called the 
midwife and Marie's support person and told them to come about 5:30.
I some dinner, but tried to stick to stuff that would digest easily (no 
steak).

When the midwife arrived about 5:40, I was 7 cm dilated and fully effaced.  
She told our friends the baby would probably be born in about an hour.  
They cleaned up the barbecue and dinner stuff and went ahead and left.  
Transition ended up lasting about an hour -- my cervix had a lip on one 
side that didn't want to go away.  When I finally got to the pushing stage, 
it was about 12 min until Liana was born.  Marie was present during all of 
the pushing stage, and although she was concerned, she seemed okay.  She 
was thrilled to be up next to me on the bed after Liana was born, touching 
her and just looking...

We were very happy that we were able to give birth at home.  Although there 
was a lot of pain,  I never wished for pain medication nor wished I was in 
the hospital.  Liana nursed 6 min after birth, the cord was cut at 15 min.
I held Liana for an hour before finally turning her over to the midwife for 
wieghing and measuring, then she was back in my arms.  Marie ended up going 
to sleep lying next to us.

Michele - happy mother of two beautiful girls
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lewis@linac.fnal.gov (June Cummins Lewis)
Subject: Re: cute/funny things they do (18 mo)
Organization: Fermiland, Batavia, IL
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:39:31 GMT

I finally have a funny story to tell about my son!  Disclaimer:  the
context is not funny (far from), but the role Jacob played was.

I dragged Jacob to see Bill Clinton at La Grange Hospital here in
suburban Chicago.  We had to wait a long time out in the hot sun
before the entourage showed up.  First Carol Mosely Braun said a few
words and worked up the crowd.  Everyone was cheering and clapping,
and Jacob joined in.  Since the main topic being addressed at this
Clinton stop was women's health care, the next speaker was a woman who
has breast cancer and has had two masectomies.  So she introduces
herself and says "I have breast cancer"--and Jacob starts clapping and
yelling "yay!"  I was so embarrassed!  Then she says "I've lost both
of my breasts . . . " And he does it again!  I quickly distracted him
before we got kicked out!

Well, I'm sorry the context was so bleak--I just had to post my first
"cute story!"

June



-- 
"Saying that men talk about baseball in	order to avoid talking about their
feelings is the same as saying that women talk about their feelings in order
to avoid talking about baseball."
			--Deborah Tannen, author of _You Just Don't Understand_
From: scott@apple.com (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Safety Switchplates
Date: 27 Jul 92 05:50:25 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA


Where do you get them?  Which catalog has them the cheapest?  I mean
the ones that replace the existing faceplate and are springloaded so
that they slide closed when the plug is removed.  Thanks.

		--  maggie
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Bradley Classes
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:32:35 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1200@elan.Elan.COM> lynn@elan (Lynn Gazis) writes:
>How transferrable are these techniques?  If they work for the
>pain of childbirth, are they also helpful for other kinds of
>pain?  And if a person learns relaxation or distraction techniques
>for some other kind of pain, are those same techniques likely
>to work for childbirth?

I used the breathing techniques to deal with being catheterized,
having blood taken, and having an IV inserted.  I think they do
transfer.

--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reg@dptg.att.com (51351[efw]-Regina Mackiewicz(MT4799)1374MT)
Subject: Too much amniotic fluid
Keywords: is it possible?
Organization: AT&T BL Middletown/Lincroft NJ USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:15:00 GMT

my sister is scheduled for a level 2 sonogram to determine if she
has too much amniotic fluid.  i never heard of this condition,
is there any net wisdom about this?  possible danger to mother and/or child?
treatment?  (my sister swears that "if anyone comes near me with a horse
needle both the person and the needle will end up on the floor"
i guess the hormone imbalance flared up with that statement.

any suggestions/info appreciated

thanks

auntie reg

From: dani@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Danielle Cohen)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:25:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Thanks + Question re: Sharing between one-year-olds (LONG)
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

This isn't advice (though the responses so far have been 
very helpful), but it fits into the theme...


	Toddler Property Laws
    
    1. If I like it, it's mine.
    2. If it's in my hand, it's mine.
    3. If I can take it from you, it's mine.
    4. If I had it a little while ago, it's mine.
    5. If it's mine, it must never appear to be yours in any way.
    6. If I'm doing or building something, all the pieces are mine.
    7. If it looks just like mine, it's mine.

So fitting,

   Danielle (Mother of an aggresor - Taylor Marie, 10 months)
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Tantrums, Whining, and frustration
Date: 30 Jul 1992 08:55:17 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



My son used to whine beyond belief, even our cregiver said she had
never seen a child, let alone a boy, whine so much if they were in
daycare.  It was really bad when I said no.  Knowing that I sometimes
automatically say no, I showed him how to ask cutely, by placing his
head against me and asking very sweetly.  It worked the first time,
because I reconsidered, which always carries an explanation with it. 
The second time it didn't work, and I explained that it doesn't always
work, but whining never does.  This has also worked on reucing the
tantrums - as soon as he starts (if it's an issue I'll bend on), I
remind him "that's not how we get things we want", and many times he
stops, gets up and asks nicely.

I've always tried to reduce the frustration level.  Seems like the best
thing I can do.

I used to look at tantrums differently too, but have seen the wrong in
my ways due to net.wisdom, and wholeheartedly agree that children
should be allowed to vent their frustrations.  Somtimes, though, I
carry him to his room and inform him that he can come down when he's
done.  I don't think he ooks on this as punishment, I hope not anyway,
and I don't make him apologize or anything.  He always seems to be in
better spirits when he comes down, even though sometimes he has been
crying, and I think that's because he didn't get what he wanted.  I
still do not let him throw his toys, though, and have yet to determine
how to let him vent his emotions in another appropriate forceful(?)
way. I know for a fact that throwing things give me pleasure when I am
enraged :-}, I hate taking that from my son.
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: how to remove stains on clothes?
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:56:54 GMT
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.

In article <1992Jul22.034531.5539@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bl213@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. C. Kelly) writes:
>
>I've tried most stain removers, and the one that's worked the
>best for me is Clorox 2 Liquid non-chlorine color safe bleach.
>It comes in a blue or yellow ("lemon fresh!" :> ) bottle.
>  
>I also use small amounts of bleach on some clothes (obviously
>not on bright colors and the like) to remove stains and often
>on light clothes I can't tell a difference as far as fading, and
>sometimes they fade a bit but still wear well.

For white clothes only, you can use dye remover (also called color
remover).  You'll find it wherever fabric dyes are sold (try the
supermarket, at least in the US).  It will remove stains that bleach
won't touch.  It is tough on fabric; you wouldn't want to do it more than
once per item, but if you've got a favorite white item with an apparently
permanent stain, it's worth a try.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn)
Subject: Re: To Emily (a little long)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:10:39 GMT
Reply-To: Pooder@vnet.ibm.com, but I can't receive e-mail, so forget it.  
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

I am deeply moved . . . .

Thanks.

-- 

    Pooder    -    Rochester,  MN  
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Quid tibi (est) opiniones aliorum: What do you care what other people think?
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Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Tuesday, 21 Jul 1992 14:37:20 EST
From: <ELDREDGE@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Having children close together-happy stories wanted
Distribution: usa
 <1992Jul20.182159.14708@cs.ucla.edu> <92202.174950CXF12@psuvm.psu.edu>

I wanted to respond to this discussion for a couple of reasons.  I
am the oldest of four children, my sister is the youngest.  Kelly was born
2 weeks after my 6th birthday.  I have a brother (Ross) who is only 11 months
younger than me, and a brother (David) who is 4.5 years younger than me.
While growing up, we resembled the group in the cartoon "Family Circus"; some-
times happy, sometimes not.  And although we were not particularly close to
one another during our teens and college years, now we're all very close.
Luckily, only Ross has moved out of state (he's in CA, we're all in FLA)
so we get together at Dad & Mom's (family joke, Dad got tired of second
billing) at least a couple times a year. We're on the phone to one another
a lot, too.  Being so close in age, we share a lot of memories of times
together.  "Family" memories, if you will.  There were times I would have
loved to have been an only child.  But now I wouldn't trade them for any-
thing.


Cynthia Eldredge
From: CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu (Chris Himes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: ready to try for 2nd
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:58:41 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1713@optigfx.optigfx.com>, wang@optigfx.optigfx.com (Alice Wang)
says:
>
>Also what is the best way to predict ovulation date?  I've heard
>of charting temperature in the morning but I don't know the details.
>I bought a digital thermomether, is that accurate enough or do I have
>to get a basil(sp?) thermomether?
>
Alice asked for e-mail responses to her question, but I would like to
hear from other women about their success, or failure, using the cervicel
mucus method of detecting ovulation.  I learned about this from the net
a few years ago when I was trying to conceive, and found it much easier
than taking temperatures--particularly if you have an irregular cycle.
Does anyone know about the relative accuracy of the method?

Chris Himes
From: vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Potty Training, Summary of Responses (3 Year)
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:52:07 GMT
Organization: GTEL

Just wanted to add a comment to this.  I personally haven't reached the 
potty training stage yet, but a friend of mine had a excrutiating 
experience with her son.  The pediatrician kept telling her not to worry 
about it and just wait until her son was ready, but he was over three and 
her family kept pushing her and telling her that it was about time for him 
to be trained, so she and her husband really pushed the little guy.   
About that same time, he got a new baby brother and all bets were off!   
But they kept trying - they were using the sticker system and computer 
games as bribes.  One day he smeared poop all over his parent's bedroom 
and his mother almost lost it.  Anyway, it took until he was about four 
(or maybe a little over) to be fully trained.  His parents now swear 
they'd never do it that way again - the next one can wait as long as he 
likes to decide when he's ready (now watch, he'll probably train himself 
at 2)!!

Vanessa R. Stern
vrs0@bunny.gte.com
From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "SHE DESERVED TO GET HIT"!!!!!!!
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:06:35 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Jul23.031122.838@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>Okay, I've taken enough flak this week to become a registered metal
>recycler, so let me take a few hits here too.
>
>Even though my wife and I would like to think that we would find a better
>way to do things, neither one of us thinks that all people who hit their
>kids should categorically be labeled child abusers.
>
>But for Pete's sake, let's realize that there's a great difference between
>beating a kid black and blue, and giving them an occasional swat for
>punishment.
>
>--
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>* Keith E Gatling                                  kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu *
>*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *


	Thanks for bringing out your "Gatling gun" for me.  But
	my original post was about *not* hitting her.

	No flames here.

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson)
Subject: Re: Waking up at night
Organization: Stanford University
	<1992Jul18.014237.29467@ralph.lafayette.la.us>
	<TIGGER.92Jul21131929@satyr.Sylvan.COM>
	<1992Jul22.053402.22270@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:30:26

In article <1992Jul22.053402.22270@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> leeba@mot.com (Leeba Salzman) writes:

   I seem to recall that women who don't have blood sugar problems usually have 
   lower blood sugar readings during pregnancy.  Can anyone confirm this?

Here's some anecdotal evidence. 

As a bicyclist, I know what low blood
sugar feels like.  We call it the "bonk", and it'll happen if you go
on a long bike ride and don't eat.  You get slow and cranky.  If you
eat something sugary (like a banana) the problem goes away in
about ten minutes.

Well, when I was pregnant I definitely had low blood sugar about two
hours after I ate.  I knew it, and it was quite clear to my husband as
well!  I refused the glucose tolerance test because I knew that I
didn't have gestational diabetes.

Other of my cycling friends have noted that they too would get low blood
sugar when it was time to eat.
From: mrt7455@evtprp0b (Michael R Tucker)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cute things they say
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:10:37 GMT
Organization: evt_bcs




I have always enjoyed the "cute things they" say and do posts.  I
finally have something of my own to put up here.  My daughter is
almost eleven and my son is eight.

We were in a restaurant in Yellowstone and I had finally gotten my
souvenir for the trip, a broad-brimmed hat, kinda like the one in the
Indiana Jones series.  I was wearing it while we were eating a snack.
My daughter looks at me and comments on the hat saying that I look
like "Indiana Daddy" and my son didn't miss a beat adding "and the
Temple of Kids".  (Temple of Kids and Temple of Doom are
interchangeable, aren't they?)

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From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How much does having a baby cost?
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:15:31 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Jul29.160124.22596@keps.kodak.com> mbb@keps.kodak.com (Maureen Busch) writes:
-It seems overboard since the placenta was still functioning fine.  However,
-with post-maturity, there is the concern that the placenta will begin to
-deteriorate (I read somewhere that it is only good to 42 weeks, then starts
-deteriorating).  The change in the baby's response over the course of a few
-days can be dramatic if the placenta is no longer functioning optimally.  I
-had other problems with my placenta and had 3 non-stress tests (the last one 
-becoming a stress test) in 5 days - the change was very noticeable. 

The 42 weeks number is a generalization.  Your actual "mileage" may vary.
Some are good for 43 weeks.  Some, unfortunately, are only good for 37 or less.
I *suspect* the curve looks something like this (but I don't have any actual
numbers):

(high)							..
						      ..
						    ..
						 ...
Prob. of Placental Failure		      ...
					  ....
				     .....
			       ......
		      .........
(low)	..............
	36	37	38	39	40	41	42
			Placental age, weeks

...Which is why doctors start getting nervous after 41 weeks or so.  The U.S.
runs about a 1% stillbirth rate.  "Placental Failure" is attributed to most
stillbirths where there is no other reason (e.g., cord prolapse or other
accident, genetic defect, etc.) found.  I don't know how many (net) stillbirths
are attributed to "Placental Failure".

Anybody have the real numbers?

--
    Alan Jeddeloh      W:(503) 685-2991  H:(503) 292-9740
    Tektronix, Inc.
    D/S 60-850; PO Box 1000; Wilsonville, OR 97070
    Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com          Let sleeping dogs^H^H^H^Hbabies lie
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel)
Subject: Re: helping kids fall asleep
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:55:00 GMT

In article <16995@ulysses.att.com>, smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes...
>Any suggestions on how to help a child (just about 3) fall asleep?

Our kids (2 & 4) keep coming downstairs after they've been put to bed. A few 
nights ago we sent one to sleep by screening an instructional video on how 
to use a garden composter.

Andrew
From: dank@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Daniel G Knierim)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Birth Announcement/Labor Story
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:54:59 GMT
Reply-To: dank@tekig6.pen.tek.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

>I forgot to add: Apgars were 9 and 10  (I thought they should have been
>10 and 10 -- she was PERFECT!)

Hmmm.  Cassie scored 9 and 10 on her Apgars, and I thought she was perfect!
Then Christy scored 2 and 8 on her Apgars, and I thought *she* was perfect!
Perhaps Apgars aren't terribly correlated to perfection?  At least as measured
by a parent.  :-)

- Dan Knierim
These opinions aren't worth the standard disclaimer form they're printed on!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Fears in young toddlers
Date: 22 Jul 92 06:34:25 GMT
	<1992Jul14.163333.24185@mdd.comm.mot.com> <3177@master.CNA.TEK.COM>
	<TIGGER.92Jul17105556@satyr.Sylvan.COM> <tr.711599116@samadams>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <tr.711599116@samadams> tr@samadams.princeton.edu (Tom Reingold) writes:

   I suspect that your preference for bugs not living in your house may be
   a stronger influence than you think.  Do you kill them hurriedly?  I
   think that fear of bugs in kids may be fostered by parents'
   justification of killing them.  What else do kids see their parents
   kill these days?

I usually let them be. We try to keep them out of the house by keeping
doors or screens shut. I shoo away flies from our food (when one makes
it in). I ignore the spiders. We chase moths out back out the door, if
we can, saying that they belong outside. And when the ants start
marching, we hire someone once a year to come and spray outside -
because of the drought, but she doesn't know about that. I guess
she'll be happier once the backyard is sprayed, but I wait until they
start coming inside, so we can do it only once a year instead of
twice. (They also start to attack the hot tub then, making it
unusable) 
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92
=======================
I'm a mammal and proud of it!

4 month old Robin weighed 17.5 lbs, 25.5 inches tall, solely breastfed
by 'supermomcow' :-)
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:37:17 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Jul29.201849.16412@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>  Just curious, have you experienced both epidural
>  pain and labor pain?  Perhaps you can tell us which
>  is better.

Well, the epidural does hurt somewhat, but it wasn't a major problem.
I have a fairly high pain tolerance (always get my teeth drilled without
locals, have had 2 catheters and several IVs which didn't bother me).  
However, labor pains are far and away more painful (for me) than any medical 
procedure I've had.  I think that there may not be that much difference
in pain between a medium contraction and an epidural, but the painful
part of an epidural is shorter than a contraction AND THERE'S ONLY ONE
OF THEM.  Anyone could handle 1 labor contraction without medication,
it's the hours and hours of contractions that wear people down.  
I went 10 hours of labor before the epidural.  I'm sure if I had a
4 hour labor, I'd have made it "drug-free".  But after 10 hours,
exhaustion set in and I didn't have the stamina to cope on my own
(with my coach, of course) anymore.  Even after the epidural, the
contractions were painful, but nothing I couldn't handle.  5 1/2
hours later, Brian appeared.

-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med