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From: baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: Cal Bears
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 07:00:25 GMT


Hi to all Cal faithful,
  I would like to know about the strenghts and weeknesses of the Cal Bears!!
The areas I am most interested in are the secondary, the offensive line,
the receivers, and the linebackers.  Who are the starters?  What is their
level of experience?  How many are lettermen?  
  What areas would the Bears want to improve in the team?

  Thanks for advance for your response.

  I like Cal, but not on Saturday, October 10th, 1992!!

  GO HUSKIES,
  -Baze


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: If Michigan had played to win....
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:32:19 GMT
Keywords: Michigan-ND

>|> Justin Frederich writes:
>|> 
>|> Overblown Michigan - now here's the pollsters idea of a team that is ranked
>|> ahead of all but Wash and Miami. After the tie against ND, they have to play
>|> OH HELL I can't find ANY top ten team that they play either. Actually, they 
>|> can't even beat a top twenty team because they don't play any. Jeeez 
>|> 
> 
> ***** lots of stuff deleted *****
>
>Since when was a team ranked based on the schedule they faced. For one thing
>it is a nice change Miami actually has to face a real opponent this year. Also
>most schools have little choice in who they play. Most have to play seven or
>eight conference games and therefore can only schedule three non-conference
>games. I'll bet Miami is getting worried. Looks like their not going to get
>to beat up on Nebraska in the Orange Bowl this year. They might actually have
>to face a team with real national championship hopes.

>#1 Washington vs. #2 Michigan in Rose Bowl

>Michigan wins a national championship.

>Matt

Well Matt I guess it doesn't matter to you because other than the tie
against ND , Michigan doesn't play any of the teams in the AP current top 20.

It seems that there's no shortage of people who still think the 'big ten'
is such a tough conference. What happened to playing FSU ? I'm sure you
remember that last year the 3rd best team in Florida beat Michigan in their
own house 51-31. Then we heard how Washout U should be number 1 because they
beat those BAD Nebraska boys and Michigan. Wasn't Nebraska the same team Miami
shut down completely in the Orange Bowl ? And Miami did win over FSU in their
stadium !    

How do you explain that if FSU beats Michigan at Michigan it doesn't count
like it does when Washington beats Michigan on the West Coast ?

Or when Washington is thumping their chests because they beat the huskers
it counts for so much more than Miami shutting them down completely ?

Finally, I do think the rankings of opponents matters - especially if 
two teams have identical records. I know a game-by-game comparison has
its failings but if one team beats 6 or 8 top twenty teams and another
only beats teams ranked in the bottom forty , they shouldn't even be close
in the polls !!!



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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: traynor@fnala.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: FREE NOTRE DAME TICKETS AVAILABLE!!!!
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:02:09 GMT
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In article <vish-300992110519@129.74.37.197>, vish@nd.edu (Vishwamber Yelsangikar) writes:
> 
> 
> Just kidding.  
> 
> Notre Dame 40
> Stanford   14
> --------------------- Go Reggie Brooks/Mirer/Bettis/Dubose
> 
> Vishwamber Yelsangikar
> Network Engineer.
> Notre Dame.
> 
> Go Bills!!!!
> Go Irish!!!!

ND 35 Stanford 28.

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:15:56 EDT
From: <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Bowl alliance a crock!

  Let me begin by stating my absolute contempt for Penn State football.  I
go to graduate school in State College, but my alliances are not with the
Nittany Lions.  I say this to say that it must be robbery if I am writing
something in support of PSU football.  The bowl alliance is a crock of sh**.
In yesterday's USA Today, it was reported that the bowl alliance has said
that if Penn State is undefeated, they will not send a Washington
or a Florida State to the Blockbuster bowl to crown a true National Champion.
First of all it is the alliance's fault for not having PSU as a part of it
this season anyway, thus PSU had to make the unprecedented committment to the
Video people in the summer.  To rip off the fans of a true national champion-
ship game in the first year of the alliance is horrible.  I want to see #1
vs #2 if at all possible!!!!
   Well now that that information is off my chest, I don't think PSU will be
undefeated anyway, I have tickets to the Miami game and I will be cheering
hard for Miami, in the PSU student section (yes, my life insurance is paid
up).  Also, I think that the Fightin' Irish will beat them also!  But I am
dismayed at the possiblity that we will not have a true national championship
game.  I hope everyone is becoming UCLA fans, because Washington will not
lose with their relatively weak schedule.
Kevin
From: lbaum@atc.boeing.com (Larry Baum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Rose Bowl (was Re: Wash vs. Neb afterthought)
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:18:22 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services

In article <3100@voodoo.UUCP> stu@voodoo.boeing.com (Stuart Liddle) writes:
>Well, one possibility I see is that both UW & UCLA go undefeated and UCLA goes
>to the Rose Bowl because the UW went last time.  So, the Huskies go to some 
>other bowl to play Miami, FSU, or (insert some other MNC contender here).
>Now, consider UCLA playing against an unbeaten Michigan (but they do have that
>tie game with ND).  The Huskies would get a shot at playing against an
unbeaten
>team like (possibly) Miami (well, they've got a tough schedule, they could end
>the season with at least one loss) -OR- FSU....Well, you get the picture.
>The Huskies can definitely come out with a NC title all to themselves and not
>have to share it like they did last year.  The only problem with this scenario
>is that UCLA might get to play in the Rose Bowl and keep the Huskies from the
>possibility of the only ROSE BOWL THREE-PEAT IN HISTORY!!!  Bummer, dudes!
>-- 
>________________________________________ "In most states you can get a
driver's
>Stuart Liddle      (206) 865-6559 (wk)  \ license when you're 16, which made a
>BoGART Project     stu@voodoo.boeing.com \ lot of sense to me when I was 16
>Boeing Comp. Svcs..uunet!bcstec!voodoo!stu\ but now seems insane." - Dave
Barry
>
The real problem with this scenario is that if UCLA then wins the Rose Bowl,
then they would also have a legitimate claim to the MNF, especially if Michigan
or OSU or whomever came in as a highly ranked team.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: richter@mcc.com (Charlie Richter)
Subject: Re: MICH: 60 something HOUSTON:7
Organization: MCC, Austin, TX
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:29:15 GMT

> I'm sure Jenkins will enjoy having a whole year to wait on playing Michigan
> again.

I don't think Jenkins will be thinking about revenge;  he just doesn't
seem to think that way.  I didn't see any comments from him recalling
the magnitude of last season's loss at Illinois.  After the Michigan
game, he said something like, "They're a fine team.  Michigan can't do
anything about the loss to Notre Dame, but they have the capability to
do wonderful things the rest of the season."  (I can find the exact
quote if you want it.)  He just seems to believe that both teams should
play as hard as they can, and if he rubs your nose in it, that's fine,
and if you do the same to him, that's fine, too.
-- 
Charlie Richter   MCC   Austin, Texas
  uucp: richter@milano.uucp     arpa: richter@mcc.com
"The panic ... was not due to anything fundamentally weak in either business
   or finance.  It was confined to the market itself."   - WSJ, Oct. 31, 1929
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: paullu@microsoft.com (Paul Lukinich)
Subject: wuck fashington!
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:31:08 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep30.005606.10267@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu wrote:
> Um, for those people in Michigan (not naming names or anything) who think that
> either Florida, FSU, or Miami have *ahem* small players on defense--think 
> again. 
>
> The point of all this ranting and raving is this. Florida...southern football
> in general..._IS_ the football of today. We not only have the fastest and most
> talented players on the whole...but we possess the highest level of 
> competition around. Granted, Washington does have a good team...with lots of
> size and speed.  But get real, until they get a competitive schedule they just
> cant match up with the big boys here in the south. It is just one of those
> things where you just have to see it to believe it...

Um, for those people in Florida that are dreaming, consider this your alarm. The
Washington Huskies would rock your respective worlds. I went to the Rose Bowl, scared
to death that Desmond Howard was as good as the hype. I left seriously wondering if he
would remember even being there. He was smashed repeatedly.

Being a season ticket holder this year, I have seen a *slight* dropoff from last year's
team, but nothing that would lead me to believe that Miami, FSU. Florida or EVEN Florida
A&M would be able to handle the Huskies. They would not be able to handle the pressure
defense the Huskies throw at teams, and as far as the offense goes, I doubt that any SEC or
ACC team faces anything remotely close. As far as "football of today" goes, you'll notice 
that quite a few teams are having success loading the defensive line with 8 and 9 players.
Hmm, I wonder where that started...

I can't really be mad at people for being completely uninformed. I don't think that Miami
fans can truly appreciate how good you have to be to go through the PAC10 conference undefeated.
That explains why you see PAC10 schools with "inferior" records winning on New Year's Day.


As far as the claim that southern football posseses the "highest competition around"...ha ha
heh heh heee hhooo hoo ha hah  haa haaa oh man somebody help me, I can hardly breath I'm
laughing so hard. Big East? ACC? SEC? Hah haah huh hee hehh hooh hoh ha heh heh...somebody 
help....

Bow Down to Washington
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bowl alliance a crock!
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:49:50 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) wrote:
}
}[Mark: I still don't understand whether a team can refuse a bowl
}invitation determined by the bowl alliance, or what the repercussions
}would be if they did.]

Join the club!

Even the bowls involved don't seem to be in agreement on this
one.  A story in the Atlanta Journal a few weeks ago highlighted
the confusion with quotes from (a) the director of the Fiesta Bowl,
who claimed that if Washington ended up in the alliance as the
#1 or #2 team, that the Fiesta Bowl could up its payout to lure 
a #1 vs. #2 matchup and (b) the director of the Orange Bowl, who
said that it didn't work that way and the Fiesta could only get
#1 vs. #2 if the teams involved were 2 of {Notre Dame, ACC Champ,
Big East Champ}.

Is that convoluted enough for you?

Fortunately the chances of both UCLA and Washington going unbeaten
are really remote - I seriously doubt that this will come into play.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

    "I may be a scwewy wabbit, but I'm not going to Alcatwaz!"       
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Next Week's Polls
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 22:22:51 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <BvD8Hx.HvJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen) writes:
>	I've been reading a lot of stories about how people are
>happy that Washington is now #1 in polls, but is everyone so sure
>that they won't be #2 again next week?  I think that if Miami can
>prove itself by beating Florida State convincingly, they will be
>back to #1 in most of the minds of the voters who just switched.
>On the other hand, if Florida State wins big, they could also be
>vaulted to #1.
>
>	If you think about it, it does make sense.  This is the biggest
>game of the year so far, a game that will test how good both teams
>really are.  Washington hasn't had such a test yet and thus hasn't really
>proven their quality.  Their best game will probably be their last one,
>in whichever bowl they end up in.  In the end, Miami or Florida State
>beating another top 3 team means a lot more than Washington beating
>Nebraska in a less than inspiring game.

        These are valid points.  Unless, both team play error free 
football, the above scenario may not occur.  The way that Miami
is playing and the way that the quarterback at FSU is playing (I
heard that he is prone to make bad decisions), the game may become
sloppy.  If lots of mistakes are being commited, Washington will
stay on top.  Given of course, Washington blows out USC.  If they
don't, as much as i love the Huskies, I would drop them to out of top
20.  a

	BTW, I think Nebraska is a very good team.  They have a 
solid defense and I heard that soon they will have a more reliable
quarterback playing.  I think they are very capable of beating top
5 teams by the end of the year.
From: tshannon@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Timothy J. Shannon)
Newsgroups: ia.sport.college,rec.sport.football.college
Subject: UNI #1 in I-AA
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:30:23 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA


	I just heard this on TV, The University of Northern Iowa
Panthers are ranked #1 in D-I-AA.  Way to go Panthers!!  
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: FSU-Miami (one more opinion)
Keywords: ND can't beat FSU!!!
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 02:11:17 GMT


This is in respons to you post...sorry got crazy with the delete key
and i lost you're name.


"Just out of curiousity, why does FSU care about ND?  They don't play
each other and haven't for years.  I don't think ND really cares one
way or the other about FSU, if anything ND fans root for them to beat
Miami.

Does Florida State play anyone tough this year besides Miami? (Not a
flame, I just want to know.)

Bob Jones"

We care about ND because..hey..they are fun to hate! ;) Also, look forward
to next year, and the years to follow...as FSU and ND have a contract to
play one another. Should be fun.

Yes, we do play other competion this year besides Miami. Clemson (we won,
barely), Ga. Tech (debatable I know), Virginia (they are still untested so
this too is debatable), and Florida (always a good game..very intense rivalry)

Btw, FSU has _never_ lost to ND in the games they have played (3 or 4 I think)
just some interesting trivia. Does anyone else know what other teams have 
never lost to ND?

Kevin.



Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: swanson@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Bob Swanson)
Subject: Re: FSU-Miami (one more opinion)
Organization: Florida State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 00:14:49 GMT

bobj@meaddata.com (Robert Jones) writes:
>
>You are correct.  My question, though, still is why would Florida State
>dislike ND.  The previous poster made it pretty obvious that FSU doesn't
>like ND.  Disliking a team you haven't had contact with seems pretty
>silly.

I think the "previous poster" make it pretty obvious that he/she didn't care
for ND, but didn't prove anything about "FSU" liking or not liking ND.

There are lots of fans of (insert favorite team here) who loathe, despise, 
abhhor, etc. Nortre Dame.  Do these collected fans form a basis for (insert
favorite team here) "hating" the Fightin' Frogs?

--
Bob Swanson			    Give me a lever long enough, and a place
swanson@loligo.cc.fsu.edu	    to stand, and I will break my lever.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aviksroy@athena.mit.edu (Avik S. Roy)
Subject: Re: Who is number 1?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:29:15 GMT

Now that UCLA has lost, there isn't much speculation of an undefeated Washington
being locked out of the Rose Bowl.  They just have to pummel Stanford, Cal, etc.
My feeling is that they'll make it through the PAC-10.  If they do, they will be
either number 1 or 2.  Michigan, by destroying everyone in the Big 10, will surely
remain 2 or 3.

Thus, if a #1 Washington plays a #3 Michigan, and Michigan wins, who gets the MNC?
I think Michigan should if the victory is anywhere near convincing.  If Penn St.
beats Miami, I don't think Penn State will move up to #2, because Michigan will
continue to rout its opponents.  However, if Miami gets through its schedule,
who could it play?  Tennessee, maybe.  A&M, maybe.  But with Fla. State out, and
with Penn State out (if Miami beats them), there isn't a really good team for
Miami to play.  Therefore, the Rose Bowl will be the national championship once
again.  (And just a few years ago, you guys were all making fun of Pasadena.)

The Notre Dame tie will only hurt Michigan if Notre Dame continues to lose.  But
if they win the rest of their games, it won't look so bad.

Since I bleed maize & blue, I am rooting for Penn State next week.  If Michigan
and Penn State finish in the top 2, that would be cool.
From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Virginia Football
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:40:36 GMT
	<1992Oct2.052613.26336@ncsu.edu> <BvHs0p.5p4@news.larc.nasa.gov>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

}} In article <BvHs0p.5p4@news.larc.nasa.gov> cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell) writes:
}} 
}} Also, Goodman was pulled when it was 48-0 and he sent
}} in Symion Willis.

Um, isn't 48-0 a little late to avoid running up the score?

"Gosh, Coach, they're within 7 touchdowns!  I don't think we should
put the backups in yet!"

Then again, Lou Holtz didn't pull his starters until he was up 35-0 on
Purdue, and we know *he* wouldn't run up the score.

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
                    ect. is meaningless; etc. == et cetera

                      Beef:  Real food for a dead planet.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Baylor at Texas Tech score?
From: bsutesch@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:25:17 CST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <1992Sep27.160321.4676@infonode.ingr.com>, ellingrw@infonode.ingr.com (Bob Ellington) writes:
> 
> Subject says it all, what was the score of this
> very late night game please.
> 
> email or post 
> Thanks
> Bob E.

I saw a score of Texas Tech 37
                 Baylor     19

I also noticed that in the USA Today/CNN Poll
that Baylor has more votes this week than last.
Strange!

Brian Utesch

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tshannon@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Timothy J. Shannon)
Subject: Re: Wisconsin at Iowa
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:06:38 GMT

From article <1992Oct5.173235.3614@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, by tsau@cae.wisc.edu (Johne Tsau):
> Am I the only one who feels that Wisconsin at Iowa this week will be
> tougher than Ohio at Wisconsin?  Wisconsin has a history of playing
> OSU hard, but when was the last time UW beat Iowa at home?  Iowa
> is hungry for a win now (if not hungry for some confidence back), and
> Iowa is not as bad as their record shows.  Afterall, all of their losses
> were to Top-20 teams I believe...
	
	Three to top 10, (Colorado, Miami, and Michigan) and one other
	 top 25 team (NC STATE)
> 
> Wisconsin will have to play no(few) mistake football I think to win in Iowa
> City.  Eliminate the penalties, make smart passes, and don't make
> turnovers.  Iowa is solid enough on offense to take advantage of
> most mistakes.
> 
	I really think if Iowa wants to have any bowl births they have to
start to win, and that incudes a win over the Badgers.  It will be tough,
unless Hartlieb plays to his potential, instead of like he did the first 
half against Michigan.  I think that the only way Wisconsin will win is
if Iowa makes key mistakes, and Iowa's offense sucks still.  It will be
to close, last year Iowa barely won.  (7-0 I think)
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From: behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: Re: Attn: CAL WEENIES!!!
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:41:29 GMT

In article <serdar.717727091@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au> serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas) writes:

> [STUFF DELETED]
>>You all know what this means.
>Yes, a game that won't be close. Huskies by 55!

Serdar, 
  Have some confidence in USC!!  I am a diehard Husky fan, but I never sell
USC short.

>PS: Seriously, if you were to point out a weakness in the Husky team
>what would it be? 

 Looking at Billy Joe Hobert's last performance, I'd say that he is a weak
point in the team.  I just don't understand why he wasn't yanked against
Nebraska in the third quarter.  The O and the D lines look a little 'thin'.
There is a lot more quickness this year vs. last year's physical strength.
The O line showed some improvement against Nebraska.  Their pass-protection
is looking good, but they've got to open bigger and better holes for our
backs.
Our defense has to go up against the ever-so-dangerous Curtis Conway and has
to rattle Johnson early in the game.  Look for Don James to send Tommie 
Smith on safety blitzes.

>-- 
>Inhabited by absurd fears,  they only discuss  the puerilities with which 
>every fool is familiar, and dare not, by turning a bold hand to the human 
>heart, offer its gigantic idiosyncrasies to our views.     Sade, 'Justine'
>Serdar Boztas \\ serdar@fawlty1.eng.monash.edu.au \\ +(61)3-565-5722 

  I am just going to do my part as a fan and make as much noise as I can.
After all, school starts tomorrow and there aren't going to be too many
happy people in the stadium, including myself...  :)

With regards,

Behzad Khamneian
Motorola Inc., MDD - Bothell, Washington
University of Washington
Department of Mathematics