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Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:53:07 MST
 <1992Nov9.154620.2882@mtroyal.ab.ca> <1992Nov10.111745.8260@ericsson.se>
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Nov10.111745.8260@ericsson.se>, etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:
>>I can't see the NHL shutting down for either one. As much as I and most hockey
>>fans would like to see it, it would mean stopping the NHL schedule for about
>>three weeks, and what would the other players do in that time? They'd be out
>>of shape, and any momentum that a team had before the Olympics would be lost.
> 
> This would not be a unique problem for NHL. Many leagues in Europe have to deal
> with this problem every olympic year. And sure, some teams lose the momentum
> they had before the olympics... tough luck for them.

That's easy to say, but you have to convince NHL owners that it's worthwhile. 
There are potential season-ticket losses involved, and lessened TV money. I
think most hockey fans world-wide would love to see Dream Teams playing for all
countries in the Olympics, because you would truly have ALL of the world's best
players together, and for once we could truly determine which country is the 
best. But to NHL owners, money talks and bullshit walks.
 
> I admire the work Gil Stein have done in NHL so far, for example the Dream
> team idea, new rules to decrease fighting and especially the fines that
> teams receive if they start a fight at the end of a game.
> 
> However, I've read in 'INSIDE Hockey' that some GMs don't like Gil Stein
> too much and that they would like to see him gone. Also, I believe that
> the magazine mentioned that Stein's age would make him to resign in a near
> future. Opinions on this, anyone?

Gil Stein has certainly added more innovation to the NHL in his short term thus
far than John Ziegler did in 15 years. However, his age and the owners' desire
to have a commissioner who has strong network TV and public relations 
experience will spell the end of Stein. (The latest rumors have Canadian prime
minister Brian Mulroney applying for the job. God save the NHL if he gets the
job! :-) )

								Alan
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From: gjl@phx.mcd.mot.com (George Lloyd)
Subject: Kenora Thistles
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:00:37 GMT


I have found a picture of the Kenora Thistles!

In the book 'The Stanley Cup' by Joseph Romain & James Duplacey
Published by Gallery Books
Copyright 1989 Brommoton Books Corp   ISBN 0-8317-8032-0

There are two pictures....the first in 1905 when they were known as the
Rat Portage Thistles, the second after they won the cup as Kenora.

Obviously, I cannot tell you their colors.  As for the logo, it is two thistles
with their stems crossed.  Each stem has a single leaf on them.

Perhaps your local library has a copy of the book, or your library has an
inter-library loan program where they can obtain a copy for you to see

Good luck...I'll keep looking for other sources

*******************************************************************************
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he said:
"What is inside a Chinaman should stay inside a Chinaman....
                               .....Unless there's money to be made from it!"
Ditto for Motorola's opinions!

George James Lloyd 
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From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: ex-Habs team
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:49:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.172958.9789@wuecl.wustl.edu> jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) doesn't write:
>
>The is a list of ex-HABS players scattered around the league. The HABS
>should have never traded some of them. Those players form a competitive
>team (IMO).
>
>Lines:    Momesso         - Cassels       - Richer     
>          Chorske         - S. Turgeon    - C. Lemieux
>          J. Lemieux      - Paslawski     - R. Courtnall   
>          Corson&Gilchrist- McPhee        - Pederson
>
>Defense: Svoboda       - Lefebvre      
>         Ludwig        - Robinson (yeah, I know he's retired)
>         Chelios       - Green (yeah, I know he's retired)
>
>Goalies: Vincent Riendeau
>         Rick Wamsley
>
Notice the similarities between the Habs and Blues?  They like
to trade with each other.

Also, I know not all these players are that good, but who cares?
I'm bored  :-)


--Dave
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From: hamlet@stein.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan)
Subject: Minnesota-Edmonton Summary
Summary: North Stars 2, Oilers 2 (OT)
Keywords: hockey, men's professional
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:20:25 GMT


Edmonton                         1 1 0 0--2
Minnesota                        1 1 0 0--2
        First period--1, Minnesota, Duchesne 5 (Gavin), 10:05. 2,
Edmonton, Gelinas 2 (Maley, Mellanby), 10:39. 
        Penalties--Corson, Edm, 7:05; Ludwig, Min, 13:57; Tinordi, Min,
18:32; Duchesne, Min, 18:55. 
        Second period--3, Edmonton, Corson 2 (Manson), sh, 9:33. 4,
Minnesota, Elik 3 (Modano, Craig), 14:05. 
        Penalties--Mellanby, Edm, 7:45; Churla, Min, 11:17; Simpson, Edm,
17:20. 
        Third period--No scoring. 
        Penalties--Hatcher, Min, 9:51. 
        Overtime--No scoring. 
        Penalties--none. 
        Shots on goal--Edmonton 12-8-7-2--29. Minnesota 10-10-11-2--33. 
        Power-play conversions--Edmonton 5-0. Minnesota 4-0. 
        Goaltenders--Edmonton, Bill Ranford. Minnesota, Jon Casey. 
        A--12,955. 
        Referee--Van Hellemond. 

--
rec.sport.hockey contact for Minnesota North Stars
and maintainer of the r.s.h FAQ file
Mitch McGowan a.k.a.    | KALAMAZOO WINGS  | MINNESOTA NORTH STARS |
hamlet@u.washington.edu | ST. KILDA SAINTS | TORONTO BLUE JAYS     |
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 11:10:01 -0500 
From: Thomas.Sullivan@cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: Rules question - Instant Replay

> Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.hockey: 13-Nov-92 Rules question -
> Instant Re.. Randy A. Graca@vela.acs. (735)

> My question is, what would have happened if the Wings' opponent had
> scored in the intervening time between the original goal and the next
> stoppage when the replay was reviewed?  Would such a goal be allowed?
> What if the Wings scored again during that interval?

> Thanks in advance,

> Randy

I believe the original goal in question would have been awarded and 
anything after that disallowed, no matter which team scored.  A faceoff
at center ice would resume play.

--Tom


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:02:01 -0500 
From: Mike Molloy <mmaq+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Rules question - Instant Replay

>The incident was this:  The Wings scored, but the light did not go on,
>nor did the ref signal that a goal was scored.  Of course, play
>continued, and at the next stoppage in play, the instant replay was
>employed and showed conclusively that it was indeed a score, so the
>Wings were awarded the goal.

>My question is, what would have happened if the Wings' opponent had
>scored in the intervening time between the original goal and the next
>stoppage when the replay was reviewed?  Would such a goal be allowed?
>What if the Wings scored again during that interval?


I am almost positive that no goals scored during that time period
would count.

I have another question though?  How about penalties?
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From: sjvander@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Steve Vandereems)
Subject: US Dream Team
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:29:30 GMT

Just wondering.  Why was Joe Juneau not listed in either post listing
a U.S. Dream Team?  Is he not American?  I thought he played for the U.S.
in the '92 Olympics?

Steve Vandereems
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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: The Gipper inspires the Jagr
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:46:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HMS

You can call this story "Let's Get One for the Gipper":

The Pens' Jaromir Jagr, inspired by a pregame phone call from former
President Ronald Reagan, scored to end a 4-game streak without a goal.
Reagan saw a recent SI story in which Jagr recalled carrying the president's
picture in a school book as he grew up in Czechoslovakia and dreamed of
someday coming to America.

Jagr said :"He told me thank you for saying what I said about him and
the United States. This is the biggest day for me."

-PPV Mark
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 14:24:55 EST
From: The illustrius Pat Ellis (the DM) <IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: +/- rating
 <2AF868B6.1661@news.service.uci.edu>

Well to me +/- is useful but not when comparing one person
from one to to a player on another team, (just think of someone like
Mario compared to anyone on one of the expansion teams....)  as for
coffey I've never thought of him as a decent defenseman. His +/- just
goes to show it.  He is a defenseman and the fact that he scores alot
but has a bad +/- tells me he is not a well skilled defenseman
compare on the other hand Ray Bourque who routinly scores around 80
points a year, and is constaly leading the team in plus minus, just
one more reason to call ray bourque the best defenseman in the league

but then    i might be     biased......

                 Pat Ellis


p.s.    GO BRUINS....
From: palmer@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Randall Palmer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: INFO NEEDE ON BILL GUERIN
Keywords: Bill Guerin
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:31:25 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

leunggm@odin.control.utoronto.ca (Gary Leung) writes:

>   I'm interested in some information on a prospect named
>   Bill Guerin. Where is he playing now? Has he been drafted
>   yet? What position does he play? Does anyone have scoring
>   stats for him and also a scouting report? 

	Just yesterday (11/11), Bill Guerin was sent down to play for the
Utica Devils (AHL).  It didn't come as too much of a surprise; after all,
he was playing too well.  I guess they didn't want to embarrass the veterans!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: rdelmund@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Rob Del Mundo)
Subject: Re: Wayne Gretsky...his REAL whereabouts
Keywords: chicken pluckers unite!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:38:52 GMT

[Re: The Great Big Gretzky Cover-Up As Hypothesized on r.s.h.]

>|> You are all wrong!  According to an reliable source close to the Kings 
>|> organization and confirmed by an unnamed source at the CIA here in
>|> Washington, Gretzky was kidnapped by space aliens prior to the start of 
>|> training camp.  He has not been seen in the Los Angeles metro area since 
>|> July.  The injury reports and the plane crash story are purely cover-ups.
>|> 
>|> Think about it!  Have YOU seen him since July?  Do you believe EVERYTHING
>|> that you read in the newspaper?
>|> 
>	Actually, he was in Toronto for one of the World Series games. Someone
>	interviewed him at some point. I think the only explanation is that
>	John Olerud is a Russian spy, and was kidnapped by the CIA. Gretzky
>	must have been filling in for him as part of the coverup. 
>	
>	Think about it! Have YOU seen John Olerud since July?

No, no, no...the only cover-up here involves the Toronto Argonauts, thought
to be a CFL team co-owned by Wayne, John Candy and Bruce McNall, which
lured Raghib (Rocket) Ismail away from the NFL last year.

Seems that the Argos are actually an underground agency which kidnapped
the NHL's all-time leading scorer...McNall was also kidnapped and later
released, but only after being brainwashed and becoming some radical
"anti-fighting" fanatic..they tried to take Candy too, but he was much
too large....

Now THIS makes sense!  Think about it!  Has *anyone* seen the Argos since
July?
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From: migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey)
Subject: Re: Pens-4 NStars-1
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:47:18 GMT

In article <BxKAII.uy.1@cs.cmu.edu> lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
>charged with raping a 19 year old woman.  Quinn, along with current and former
>teammates, were having dinner in a Bloomington restaurant on Monday night when
>Quinn met the woman.  After dinner Quinn and the woman went to a local hotel, 
>where the alleged rape took place.  Quinn turned himself in the next day, and
>has denied the charges.  The police said that no other NStars and no Pens were
>being charged. (This info was heard on KDKA Radio this morning.)
>
>The Pens were the agressors early in the first, but Jon Casey was solid.  


Talk about an abrupt context shift ...

-- 
Mike Godfrey                                "I came so far for beauty,
Dept of Comp Sci, UofT                       I left so much behind."
migod@turing.toronto.edu                                -- Leonard Cohen
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From: hillig@g2syd.genasys.com.au (Hilli Gibson)
Subject: Re: U.S. "Dream Team"
Organization: Genasys II, Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:15:13 GMT

In article <1dcieqINNp7p@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>
>In a previous article, prb@chinet.chi.il.us (Paul Botts) says:
>
>>It may never happen, but suppose the NHL does decide to have its players
>>join the 1994 winter Olympics. Obviously Canada's "Dream Team" woulkd
>>have the bulk of the NHL stars, but I'm wondering whether a US team
>>would be able to be competitive, at least for a medal?
>>
>>Just off the the top of my head I can think of three Blackhawks
>>All-Stars who are U.S. citizens: Chelios, Roenick and Belfour. How many
>>other NHL All-Stars are there who would be eligible to play for the
>>U.S.? What might a U.S. Dream Team lineup look like? How would it
>>compare to a Canadian one?
>

Sorry, I miss this part since I do not hear any news about this event.
Is it true that there will be a hockey tournament where each country
sends his best players to represent it? Or is it one of the "US propaganda"
again to show that hockey is his best game ? I would see :
"dream on US " because I believe that Canada is .
In fact most of hockey players come from Canada.

I have to admit that Basketball and Baseball are US games ,
(Most players are Americans anyway), but this one is not for you America.

My Canada dream team I will say :
Messier
Gretzky
Lemieux
AL MacInnis (sp ?)
Stevens 

Messier, Gretzky and Lemieux should play together !


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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Quinn arraignment postponed
Keywords: "probable cause"
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:13:36 GMT

According to KDKA-Radio:

Dan Quinn will not be arraigned today as previously reported.  Quinn, the former
Pen and current N* center, had been reported to be charged with sexual misconduct.
It is now said that Quinn was charged as "probable cause" sexual misconduct
meaning the police aren't sure they have enough evidence to charge Quinn.  
The DA's office is currently reviewing all the evidence, and will decide whether
to press or drop the charges against Quinn.

Lori



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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Re: Northstars atop the Norris!
Keywords: Commercialism
Organization: Washington State University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 09:55:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.153006.7180@hemlock.cray.com> kak1@cypress31.cray.com (Kevin Kramer) writes:

>I sure hope that the Stars stay in the met center.  I love that building,
>there is not a bad seat in the house. (besides its only 15 mins from my apt)
>I find the target center repulsive, I thought that they used to name great 
>buildings after great men (or women) not after shopping centers. 
>Any opinions on this?  Maybe its just me, but I am getting sick of all this 
>commercialism (how about those ads on the ice, REALLY neat huh?)

On the subject of commercialism, the Met Center is certainly near the
thick of it, with the Mall-of-America next door.  I was back there
this summer for a while, and all I remember is going to the mall and
having to pay $5 to park across the street at the Met Center parking lot.

Jim
Go Northstars, Vikings, Cougs!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: Re: Pro Line Lottery
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:46:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.072009.3688@zooid.guild.org> Daniel Gama <dgama@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>  In article <1992Nov4.144631.2969@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>,
>  cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
>
>>
>>Is there anyone out there who would be able to post the games/odds
>>each week for the new SportSelect Lottery here in Ontario?
>>It's a great lottery, but I really don't feel like standing by the
>>lotto counter for 1/2 an hour trying to decide which games to pick.
>>
>>If it's possible for someone to use a scanner or other means to post
>>the odds, i'd appreciate it  (e-mail, or r.s.h).
>>
>>thanks,
>>
>>--Dave
>
>why wait, next time u pass by the counter just pick up the schedule with the
>odds.
>

If there was such a counter here at York, I'd do that.
But the way it stands, I have to go out of my way to get to a Lotto counter.

If no one can post it, then don't worry about it.
I just figured someone with a scanner might be able to get it out of their
paper or something.
Oh well, betting is bad for me anyway.

--Dave



Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 13:08:48 -0500 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Tochett's impact


>A queston for Pens' fans:
>how much of an influence on last year's playoff run and this
>year's start do you think Rick Tochett has had? Was it a great
>trade or an neutral trade with little impact? I figure it helped
>the Pens but was wondering to what extent.

I think that the worth ethic lost in Paul Coffey was amply made up by
the acquisition of Rick Tocchet.  The Pens have a history of players not
showing up for games and adding a player of Rick's enthusiasm was a good
move.

I also think that having Jagr and Recchi on the same team was a problem.
Both have tendencies to be out of control on the ice at times (crashing to
the net, seeming not to realize that they have linemates, etc.).  Tocchet
is a much more disciplined player than Recchi.  I'll take that over a few
points anyday (especially on this team where getting points is just not an
issue).

The Pens are playing better team defense now compared to this time a year
ago.  Forwards are contributing much more.  I don't know if this is
Tocchet's influence or just the last few years of coaching finally sinking
in.  In my mind, having Tocchet and Ron Francis on the same team is true
hockey heaven.

It's unfortunate that Rick seems to be injury prone.  But I'll take him
playing in 70 games or so a season over Recchi playing 84.  I *like*
Recchi but we really needed Rick's muscle.  It's nice to know that he's
there to clean someone's clock if the need arises.

By the way, does anyone else think Tocchet looks smaller this year?  I was
wondering if he is wearing different shoulder pads.

Mom.


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From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Oilers 4-3
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:10:32 GMT

In article 5024@gallant.apple.com, blob@gallant.apple.com (Brian Bechtel) writes:
>
>Another point against Zettler!  He's my nominee for the Ken Hammond
>memorial "brick-on-skates" award.  Of course, since Ken is still playing
>(if you can call it that) for Ottawa...

I don't know...Jayson More is at least a close second.  Compare his
play this year to last year...I think he got a lobotomy during the
off-season.

gak

---
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	Did William Faulkner have little creatures on his old typewriter?
	If so, they were the product of whiskey, which addles the brain less
	than cartoon creatures and menus and buttons that send messages to
	the screen demanding: "Abort? Quit? Try Again? Drop Dead? Exit? Go To
	Hell You Schnook?" - Mike Royko
From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Kenora Thistles
Date: 11 Nov 1992 08:24:32 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: guppy.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Nov10.150037.13854@phx.mcd.mot.com> gjl@phx.mcd.mot.com (George Lloyd) writes:
>
>I have found a picture of the Kenora Thistles!
>
>In the book 'The Stanley Cup' by Joseph Romain & James Duplacey
>Published by Gallery Books
>Copyright 1989 Brommoton Books Corp   ISBN 0-8317-8032-0
>
>There are two pictures....the first in 1905 when they were known as the
>Rat Portage Thistles, the second after they won the cup as Kenora.
>
>Obviously, I cannot tell you their colors.  As for the logo, it is two thistles
>with their stems crossed.  Each stem has a single leaf on them.
>
>Perhaps your local library has a copy of the book, or your library has an
>inter-library loan program where they can obtain a copy for you to see
>
>Good luck...I'll keep looking for other sources
>
Thank you very much for the info.  Bryan Smale was kind
enough to mail me a photocopy of the team picture from that
book.  It's kind of interesting to see a picture of the
Stanley Cup when the whole thing was only the top cup part.
"The Stanley Cup" book looks very interesting and something
I think I would like to purchase as soon as I finish school
and get a job.
Kenora Thistles (1992 version) update: 4-0 with two
relatively easy games left.  The second place team (Wayne's
Herniated Puck) has improved significantly, so the finals
should be an exciting affair (although probably not as
exciting as when Kenora challeged the Montreal Wanderers in
1907 and won).

Thanks again George and Bryan

>*******************************************************************************
>When I asked a Chinese Malay if he was going to give blood for a Blood Drive 
>he said:
>"What is inside a Chinaman should stay inside a Chinaman....
>                               .....Unless there's money to be made from it!"
>Ditto for Motorola's opinions!
>
>George James Lloyd 
>Motorola Microcomputer Division
>2900 S. Diablo Way       DW234
>Tempe AZ 85282
>********************************************************************************

Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: Rules question - Instant Replay
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:19:55 GMT

In article 721662617@vela, ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes:
>
>The incident was this:  The Wings scored, but the light did not go on,
>nor did the ref signal that a goal was scored.  Of course, play
>continued, and at the next stoppage in play, the instant replay was
>employed and showed conclusively that it was indeed a score, so the
>Wings were awarded the goal.
>
>My question is, what would have happened if the Wings' opponent had
>scored in the intervening time between the original goal and the next
>stoppage when the replay was reviewed?

The reviewed goal is awarded to Detroit, all intervening goals are
taken away, and the clock is set to the time the reviewed goal was
scored.

By coincidence, this question came up at last Sunday's Ice Insights at
the Cow Palace.  Answer courtesy of Referee "Mister" McGeough.

have fun
gak

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Richard Stueven        gak@wrs.com         attmail!gakhaus!gak        107/H/3&4

        I'm always more outspoken after a few pints of Guinness.
                - Mrs. E. Slocombe