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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: the chocolate chip cookie that ate Cleveland  
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:39:11 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <17755@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.224403.5325@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes:
>> 
>> Which reminds me of the recipe in one of my all-time favorite books,
>> "Chocolate, The Consuming Passion", by (oh, dear, now I can't remember
>> her name . . . the artist who did all the Recycled Paper Products
>> greeting cards).  The recipe is for _A_ chocolate-chip cookie.  It's
>> simply the classic Toll-House recipe with the additional instructions:

Sounds like Sandra Boynton. 

>> 	Taste the batter (little picture of hippo upending the mixing bowl)
>> 	Bake the cookie
>> 
>> For those interested in chocolate in all its forms and humor in some of
>> its better forms, I'd highly recommend it!
>
>Which reminds me of one of the funniest posters I ever saw: It was a
>spoof of a romance novel cover, showing a beautiful redhead with
>flowing skirts, wind-swept hair, etc, etc, looking adoringly at
>the piece of chocolate cake she's holding in her hand. There was a
>large "title" as if it were a book:  "SWEET SAVAGE CHOCOLATE"! 
>
>I did a triple-take the first time I saw it!
>
>Praise to the Goddess of Dark Chocolate for her bounty!

Of course, you ARE aware of who the net Bitch Goddess of Dark Choclate
is, now aren't you . . . ?

I'll be expecting a Hershey's Tithe in the mail. 

Blessings,
Janis
From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Who do you kneel to when you pray?
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 09:57:08 EDT
Reply-To: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:

> I had to respond to this finally.
>
> I kneel to NO ONE when I pray.  I do not pray to ANYTHING, and I kneel
> before NOTHING.
>
me neither.  my worship posture is generally staning and looking in
awe.  i've never yet met anything that seemed to prompt for a kneelign
response.  (well, excpet for oral sex and floor scrubbing.)

> My goddess is a construct inside my own head, and I consider others to
> be metaphors.  What good is kneeling before a metaphor?  I have better
> ways to realize my goddess than praying.  I keep myself in as good
> fettle for doing good deeds as possible, and I try to act my best in a
> given situation.  I try to help people and teach them, but goddess kno
> I lose my patience with the dense sometimes, and about certain
> predictable things.
>
i pray sometimes, though, even though i consider my deities metaphors.
like the night Marion (now grandma cat, but a kitten then) got lost.  i
was silently bargaining with every deity i coud th9nk of at the time,
the moon, zagreus, the earth mother, fate, to just GET HER BACK HOME!
that's what prayer is for me - trying to bargain with inplacable Wyrd.
just because one knows somethign is silly, doesn't always prevent one
from doing it.  and it's less dysfunctional a frustration and
helplessness response that some...

> Expletives are a linguistically bound phenomenon.  I've learned my
> expletives as mere idiomatic expressions that other people understand.
> Christ for me is simply an old Greek word meaning one anointed with ho
> oil, and also a light cuss word to express irritation.  My own goddess
> has a very ephemeral existence inside my thin skull and I haven't spen
> a lifetime hearing it used as a means of expressing frustration.
>
yup.  swearing is communication.  that's why using one's culturally
recognized swearwords is useful.  althiough, for me, "shit" is a mild
cuss word, "christ" is a fairly serious one.

                                             -ailsa

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Desire.  The weight of.  The weight of our              ________
desire.  Then laugh, cry, but laugh             Silence \      / Action
more than you cry, and when you hold               =     \    /    =
the world in your hands, love Her.               Death    \  /    Life
                     - Alma Luz Villanueva                 \/


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From: dms@math.psu.edu 
Subject: re: a novice asks
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:41:07 GMT


Another source to check is with the local Unitarian Universalist
society/fellowship/church.  Some may have a chapter of the
Covenant of Unitarian Universalist Pagans (CUUPS). Others may
not yet be that organized, but have small groups that celebrate
the full moon, etc.  UU offers an interesting workshop in feminist
and goddess thealogy called Cakes for the Queen of Heaven.
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Youthful experiences
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:46:07 GMT

In article <6368@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley) writes:
>In article <1133@abb-sc.abb-sc.COM> ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley) writes:
>
>>	As a latecomer to the group I probably did not see the impetus of the 
>>current topics, but it seems to me that many of us Pagan-folk where
>>ostricized at a young age. Social outcasts, invisible children or
>>outright loathed by the masses around us. Is this painful awakening
>>in any way reposible/related to our being Pagan? 
>
>Yes I have noticed this consistently among Pagans, particularly those
>of an experiential and experimental nature. 
>
>I put it down to the energy required to change the defaults.
>Society/the establishment/whatever has a set of default or normal
>behaviours and some pretty fearsome means of getting us *all* to make
>sure we conform. (IMHO etc of course ;-)
>
>Pushing against a default takes energy and determination. Pagans seem
>to choose several areas to change their defaults. This instantly marks
>them out as different, not normal, and the rest of our peers try to
>enforce conformance.

Linus Pauling has something on his wall (Oscar Wilde may be the source)
that says something like, "The reasonable man adjusts himself to suit
the world.  The unreasonable man adjusts the world to suit himself.  All
progress therefore depends upon the unreasonable man."

Blessings,
Janis


Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: Kethry and IRC
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:26:16 GMT

lib1p@elroy.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:

>Kethry, please e-mail me at lib1p@jetson.uh.edu

>I have access to IRC and would enjoy talking to you if we can
>get onto the same server.

>B*B    8-)

>Tammy

One does not need to be on the same server to communicate in irc.  One can
either do it through /msg or through a channel.  The main channel for things
of this newgroup is #wicca.  I am often there, BTW.  See you all there!


              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

******************************************************************************
Newage is hypoallergenic spirituality--
it's for people who are allergic to the word religion.
                                   --Jon Jay Obermark
From: pkappess@erc.cat.syr.edu (Peter Kappesser)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: The Tarot
Date: 27 Sep 92 08:37:27 GMT
Organization: Electronic Resource Center, Syracuse

In article <1992Sep23.174659.26401@scic.intel.com> donita@scic.intel.com (Donita Thompson) writes:

[tale about boyfriend's negative reaction to Tarot deleted]

>I've thought about explaining it to him. How does one explain the Tarot
>to a newbie in less than 5 pages??? :)  
>
>All I know about it is that it's been around since about the time of 
>christ....that it is a tool...that it's not magical...that it helps 
>bring insight to one who can read them...that the churches during the
>middle ages condemned them of course and attributes them to the work of
>the devil (what idiots)...

Years ago, before she started treading the Pagan path, a close friend of mine
was interested in the Tarot, so she bought a deck. Her husband of the time
freaked, took it away, and burned the deck.

After they were divorced, I met her and reintroduced her to the Tarot. She is
now better at it than I am. We have both become Wiccan. The ex-husband has
been left in the spiritual dust, so to speak.

Please do try your best with your boyfriend, but unfortunately you are working
against hundreds of years of negative propaganda, and it may not be in his
path at this time to understand the wisdom of the Tarot.

Blessed Be,
		-- PeterCat
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: jasmine@sscux1.ssc.gov (Karissa Walden)
Subject: Re: a nice experience last night
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:57:56 GMT


Well, 7 October 1969.  Sometime during prime time TV (according to my mom) in
South Bend, Indiana; Libra not sure of the rest.

Karissa
From: jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: another poem
Date: 1 Oct 1992 03:48:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


No, no, never mind Barbara and Hilary- I wanna see George & Bill scrubbing
toilets. Which of THEM is better at it? B-)
-- 
Jessica McGeary
jmm25@po.cwru.edu
Case Western Reserve University
Remember! Arguments should be FUN!
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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: a nice experience last night
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:45:58 GMT

In article <Rs7wRB16w165w@ailanth.UUCP> ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>
>birthdate 11/18/63 one somethign in the afternoon, wilmington
>delaware, aries rising, moon, mercury, venus, mars in sagittarius (a
>good chart for having a bad temper *grin*)
>
>so, what's everybody else's?  i'd been meaning to ask...
>
>                                             -ailsa

Well, since you ask. 12/16/52, Year of the Dragon, around 5:30 a.m. or so.
Sagittarius rising (which makes me double Sag), moon in Capricorn I think.
I don't know the rest. If someone has an ephemeris handy.....

Btw, ailsa, you and I are the same number of years apart as my sister and I,
except in the other direction. Also, did you ever get an email from me
regarding North Dakota, and did you answer? I ask because you once said you
were having problems posting to the net, and I thought you might also be
having problems with email. If you sent a reply, I never got it. If you
never got my original email, we should test your email system out or something.

Bb,
Corun


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From: lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: tarot decks
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:17:35 GMT
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <92273.153544JD3415A@auvm.american.edu>
JD3415A@auvm.american.edu (Jessica A. Darago) writes: 

>But the drawback to the Thoth deck is that it IS more modern.  At least, I see
>it as a drawback.  

Not much more modern. The Waite deck was published about 1910, and the
Harris/Crowley deck about 1930. As we are now in the nineties and new
decks are being produced every year, the Thoth deck is positively
ancient...

>Various interpretations of cards are...shall we say, skewed,
>compared to (what are believed to be) the original meanings.  

Most of these 'original' meanings seem to be based on Waites
'Pictorial Key to the Tarot'. Both the book and the Waite deck became
incredibly popular, which is unfortunate as (personal opinion mode ON)
Waites commentary is flimsy, ephemeral and deliberately obfuscatory.
Waite was keeping his initiation secrecy oath well to the fore. Even
his contemporaries regarded his book and deck as poor, second-rate
material. Unfortunately, many assumed that because Waite was a member
of the G.D. his deck must reflect their teachings. Rather, it seeks to
hide them. The Thoth deck, although more obviously personal to its
creators, at least provides images that have been worked with,
understood and internalised. At least they have life and movement. The
stiff formalism of Waits deck is perfectly in keeping with his pompous
and formal literary style.
 
>If you
>believe in the Tarot on the basis of synchronicity that's fine, if you
>believe in magic or magick or such the modernization of the deck may
>be a problem. 

I fail to see what you mean by this. Many magicians of my aquaintance
use this (and other related decks) which are modern. Perhaps you could
explain?




--
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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: New Janis Name
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 30 Sep 92 06:31:28 GMT

In article <29SEP199217552510@rosie.uh.edu> lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
>New name for Janis
>
>alt.pagan.big.mama
>
>8-)
>
>Tammy

Howzabout alt.pagan.witch.bitch?  Or just alt.pagan.bitch?

Blessings,
Janis
From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: another poem
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:03:55 GMT


>|> >I'm still getting over the chocolate chip cookies...
>|> 
>|> 	Huh?  I know I live in a cave, but what happened between H.Clinton and
>|> the choclate chip cookies?
>
>Apparently Hillary Clinton and Barbara Bush had a contest to see who
>could make the best chocolate chip cookies.  This came about after
>Hillary's comment about not being a housewife.  (I don't know the
>exact quote).  After that, she's had to prove that she isn't against
>housewives by doing things like making cookies.

Actually, Hillary got caught in the moment once while being harrassed by the
media about her assertiveness and career, and snapped a comment that basically
said that at least she'd done something with her life instead of sitting at 
home making cookies. This offended a large number of women who work in the home
at child raising, housekeeping, and such (somewhat rightfully, I think), and
touched off the smoldering antipathy between "working women" and "housewives". 
(In this country and around the world, most women work too hard.) That's where
the cookies came into it.

I think Hillary and Bill are slam-bang fantastic, but it *was* a gaffe. And
the conservatives have used it to the hilt to turn women of a more traditional
bent against them.

Marty


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The barmaid's legs and waist and thighs.        Marty Hale-Evans
'Needs to lose some weight,' he grunts,         89 Mass. Ave., Suite 199
'But just the same, I'd fuck her once.'         Boston, MA  02115
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From: radzy@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lynne Radzykewycz)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:12:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Equinox Observations
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.pagan

pkappess@erc.cat.syr.edu (Peter Kappesser) writes:
>So how did others observe Mabon? One of the things that attracts me to Wicca
>is its "free form" or "roll-your-own" aspect. I'm just beginning to learn,
>so I didn't do anything elaborate ...

Me too (both the part about what attracts me to paganism and the 
part about keeping things simple for starters).

>                                  ... lit some candles and frankincense,
>took a cleansing salt bath and meditated, listened to Gwydion's "Harvest
>Dance." 

I see Mabon as being a harvest celebration, so I focused my attention on
our evening meal.  We (my sweetie and I) tried to include several things 
from our backyard garden into our dinner -- fresh raw carrots, herbs for
the sauce over the pasta, and grilled onions  -- and we made a couple 
breads -- buttermilk biscuits for dinner (they're quick and we were hungry!) 
and butterhorns to eat as dessert (takes a couple hours for them to 
raise twice).  Besides which, butterhorns have a neat spiral pattern :-)

Lynne
---------------
lynne@hpnst.mayfield.hp.com
From: anwyn@hrnowl.lonestar.org (anwyn)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Libertarians, guns, etc. 
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 15:03:10 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Horned Owl BBS


In article <1992Sep26.120507.21692@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu writes:

  > 
  > allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith) writes:
  > 
  > 
  > >       Libertarians are, among other things, in favor of eliminating 
  > >limited liability for corporations. Thus, if those billionares are that 
  > >rich due to stock ownership, they can be sued and fined for what the 
  > >corporations they own and control do. Admittedly, current fine schedules 
  > >need to be adjusted (possibly adjusted by income level or size of 
  > >corporation) to something that's a significant penalty level.
  > >       -Allen
  > 
  > That's a new one.  Perhaps you are thinking about communists instead?
  > It certianly isn't part of the Libertarian Party platform, or in any
  > way compatable with libertarian ideas that I can see.
  > 
You are wrong! I quote directly from the  
                        1992 National Platform
                                of the
                          Libertarian Party
 
                        Adopted in Convention
                             August 1991
                          Chicago, Illinois

Quote follows: Cut here with a chain saw.----------------------------------
 
We defend the right of individuals to form corporations, cooperatives,
and other types  of companies based on voluntary association.  Laws of
incorporation should not  include grants of  monopoly  privilege.   In
particular, we oppose  special limits on the liability of corporations
for damages caused  in noncontractual transactions.   We  also  oppose
state or federal  limits on the  size of private companies  and on the
right of companies  to merge.  We  further oppose efforts, in the name
of social responsibility,  or any  other  reason,  to  expand  federal
chartering of corporations  into a pretext  for government control  of
business.
 
End of quote: --------------------------------------------------------
It is clear that the libertarian party opposes limited liablity for
corporations when it has not been contractually agreed to by the other
party. This is in line with the libertarian idea that person should
not be able to harm others with impunity.

  > Followups to alt.straw.man.
  > 
  > Jim Del Vecchio
  > 
anwyn@hrnowl.lonestar.org	(Sysop horned Owl BBS)
From: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Lord of the Dance
Date: 17 Sep 92 15:25:50 GMT
Reply-To: st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

Here are the long-awaited "Lord of the Dance" lyrics from my Gwydion tape.

	When she danced on the waters and the wind was her horn
	the Lady laughed and everything was born
	She lit the sun and its light gave him birth
	The Lord of the Dance then appeared on the earth.
CHORUS: Dance, then, wherever you may be
	  I am the Lord of the Dance, said he
	  And I'll lead you all, wherever you may be
	  and I'll lead you all in the dance said he.

	I danced in the morning when the world was begun
	And I danced in the moon and the stars and the sun
	I was brought from the darkness from the song of the earth
	I joined in the singing and she gave me birth
CHORUS

	I danced at the Sabbat when you chant the spell
	I danced and sang, that everyone knew well
	The dance is over, do not think I am gone
	I live in the music, so I still dance on.
CHORUS

	They cut me down and I leapt up high
	I am the life that'll never never die
	I'll live in you if you live in me
	I am the Lord of the Dance said he.
CHORUS as many times as you want--good dance tune.


	Also, I have the lyrics for a pagan handfasting song, a strathspey 
about a girl who gets seduced by Pan, a song about Lugh and his fight with
Balor, and others. Ask me...
			Rosaleen

"Milord, I should be sorry if I only entertained them. I wished to make them
better."
			George Fridiric Handel

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From: lyt@aber.ac.uk (Lynda Ann Thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Senseless (?) acts of beauty
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:32:12 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

The article about random kindness and senseless acts of beauty
reminded me of something wonderful I heard about last year.

A pagan artist in Madison WI (I'm sorry but I have forgotten her name)
decorated (and I mean DECORATED - they were really gorgeous) an
egg every day for a year. She then placed them in relatively
public places with a little note that said `This is a gift from 
the universe'.

I keep thinking that I'll do something like this someday.
Maybe this thread'll get me to.

Blessings
Lynda

PS. On a completely different thread. I think it was
Mary Daly who said that Christianity involved the
worship of a dead man on a dead tree. (someone asked
a while back.)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz)
Subject: Re: Who do you kneel to when you pray?
Organization: International Computer Science Institute, Berkeley, CA, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:37:03 GMT

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
> I don't believe that the subconscious will, if that is what you
> can call it, would have the power to have any effect on such a
> short "ritual" [swearing]. Directing of conscious intent is
> bound to be much more effective.

I have to disagree with this.  Strongly.  The conscious intent of
*anything* only comes after consideration.  The subconscious is
what directs the immediate responses.

Have you even been in the kind of argument where you say things
that you later wish you hadn't?  That's the kind of thing that
shows how your conscious and your sub-conscious behave.  If you
gave yourself time to consider things, then you wouldn't have
said the things you regret.  Consciously, you wouldn't want to
hurt your opponent.  Sub-consciously, though, you're really angry
and you *do* want to hurt them.

Like this, cursing is done "off-the-cuff."  You don't consider
whether or not to curse, you just do it.

Blessings -- may your subconscious never direct you beyond what
you consciously desire!

		-- radzy

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					|  An it harm none,
	T. O. Radzykewycz	     	|  do as ye will.
	The Incredible Radical Cabbage	|
					|  "Just pray for a
	radzy@cogsci.berkeley.edu       |  tough hide and a
	        			|  tender heart."
	        			|    -- Ruth Graham
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Tribal Mother was old, and lay ill on a bed of moss and
fern.   Her hair was long and grey.   Her face was very
wrinkled.    Tamura'nun-pa thought:   How beautiful you
are, Mother, so old and wise.
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