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From: pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:51:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Information Technology, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: pi@spica.bu.edu

I can not imagine the magzine like Time could make such a mistake.
Not only the author of the article, but also the editors showed
their poor knowledge (or ignorance, a stronger but appropriate
word) of China about this matter - 60 swimming pools. The questions 
are: 

1) What was the base of the author's information? Did he/she just
   make up a story, or did he/she tell something based on some
   material? (Not to mention he/she did a real investigation.)

2) If an author puts a number to quantitatively make a point in
   his/her article, the editors should be very careful about
   the acuracy. "60 swimming pools" really also reflects quality 
   of the TIME editors, at least on this matter.

If they really want to know how many swimming pools exist in China,
they can certainly ask their colleagues in China to make a phone
call to some sort of association of physical education (don't know
official English name). Although I could not give a good estimate,
but you may get some hint about possible numbers by noticing that:
each province and major cities (cities usually seperate their 
facilities from the province's) have their own Athlete Training Centers
(ATC) which absolutely include more than one swimming pool; every 
millitary zone (count numbers before 1980's) and most millitary units
(around and above Shi1 or division level) have their own ATCs which 
include more than one swimming pool; most of provinces and major cities 
have their own colleges of physical education, which include swimming 
pools; every province and major cities have their own stadia and race 
fields as well as swimming pools for competition purposes; now many new 
luxury hotels have been built up which include swimming pools; ... I guess 
I am majoring in swimming pool now... Anyway, these are the numbers you 
can depends on without any doubt, and without counting many other civilian 
swimming pools and those special swimming pools for CCP and government 
privilege officials in county-district-city-province-->CCP central 
committees and central government. 

Although swimming pools are much more than 60, about 1.2 billion people
can not be satisfied with these pools. As a matter of fact, many swimming
pools are only for athlete training and competition purpose, a civillian 
may not be allowed to get in for many occations (poor Chinese people!). 
So most Chinese people go to rivers, lakes, and beaches for swimming in 
nature, rather than stay in a pool, which is a better place to wash 
a pig before served for food.
From: jan@cs.uq.oz.au (Chen Jan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: 23 Jul 92 06:21:20 GMT
Reply-To: jan@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1992Jul23.002704.6614@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:

>Olympic Mathmatics contest:
>   China No.1
>   U.S.  No.2
>   Romania N0.3
>   CIA    No4.
>Most U.S. team members are ethinic Chinese!
>I wonder what U.S. media wills say about this.
>Probably: Chinese are high skilled cheaters on Exame!

I have a try.

  There are only 60 math techers in China. All of them went to the States.

CJ
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang won gold medal
Date: 28 Jul 92 06:35:11 GMT
Reply-To: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Organization: University of Melbourne

In article <1992Jul28.031851.4915@ctr.columbia.edu>, yjj@prometheus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang) writes:
|> In article <2814@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
|> >In article <1992Jul27.135316.9138@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, yidao@cae.wisc.edu (Yidao Cai) writes:
|> >|> 
|> >|> 	"Both Zhuang and Lin (Li, netter) are large, muscular swimmers with 
|> >|> deep vioces and acne on their backs, characteristics of steroid abuse."
|> >|> 
|> >|> So it is obvious what they mean is that the gold and silver medals are due to
|> >|> the drugs ! 
|> >
|> >Maybe they can sue the hell out of US Sunday.
|> >
|> >Lin Can
|> 
|> Most Americans may not good in telling male from female Asians, but
|> you should have the problem to tell a Chinese woman from a man.

What? 

|> 
|> When I turned on the TV in the middle of the 400 women IM metal ceremarny,
|> I eyes naturally focused on the Asian (Lin Li) first.  Oh, it's a man.
|> It must be a man's event.  But wait a second, the gold and bronze metalists
|> were all women.  I was confused for a long while until the TV displayed
|> the name "Lin Li."  I've not had a chance to see Zhuang Yong yet and
|> do not know how muscular she is.
|> 
|> Lin Li is a breast-stroke swimmer.  But her muscles and body definitely do
|> not look like a breast-stroke swimmer.  When you see Ben Johnson, you
|> know that his muscle is not a spinter's muscle.  He looked like a
|> body builder.

Can't a body builder go to run or swim and get a medal? 

Male or female is not dependent on how muscular they are.

Lin Can
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 23:38:58 EDT
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor

In article <l6ulgcINNhpp@alcor.usc.edu> zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.184156.771@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>>
>>According to the latest issue of Time magazine. China the whole nation
>>has only 60 swimming pools. Is this a joke or truth? It certainly 
>
>   The author must mean good and clean pools, matching international
>standard. How many pools you visited have 10 meter diving tower and
>hot shower?

Just stand on the words in the article. It is not the readers'
responsibility to guess what kind of description the author missed.
The author clearly tells CHINA HAS ONLY 60 SWIMMING POOL.

If one people says USA has no restroom, will you guess he means
the standard of American restroom is not high enough to meet
his criterion?



             All of my countrymen, wake up!
             Blame people who make the mistake,
             not OURSELF!


J Chen
Department of Chemistry
University of Michigan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jhuang@Chaos.mcs.kent.edu (Jing Huang)
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Organization: Kent State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:33:45 GMT

In article <13802@mindlink.bc.ca> Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) writes:
>    In article <1992Jul28.031851.4915@ctr.columbia.edu> (28 Jul 1992)
>Yuan Jiang writes,
>
>> When I turned on the TV in the middle of the 400 women IM metal ceremony,
>> I eyes naturally focused on the Asian (Lin Li) first.  Oh, it's a man.
>> It must be a man's event.  But wait a second, the gold and bronze medallists
>> were all women.  I was confused for a long while until the TV displayed
>> do not know how muscular she is.
>
>Canadian CTV broadcasted a short interview with Li.  Boy, what a voice,
>coarse and low, more masculine than many males :-).  The translator spoke
>sweet feminine English.  I got confused at first, Li Lin's English is that
>good?  It took me quite a while to realized that the "male" voice was in
>Mandarin :-).
>
>    Zhuang Yong's physique looks exactly like Li's.  Fortunately, the Silver
>Medallist Jenny Thompson is a fair-looking girl, it convinced me that Zhuang's
>record is reachable for women.
>
>
	Have you guys also studied Mary Ellen Clark who took the bronze for
Women's 10-meter platform? She looks like a man to me.

	Are you guys watching the games or watching the "it"'s?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gen4031@husky1.stmarys.ca
Subject: Hi!
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:13:36 GMT

Hi!  Does anybody read literary magazines in Chinese published in the North
America?  I am interested in that.  Could you please let me know the titles of
the Magazines and their editorial address?  Thank you.
From: zy5y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Comrade Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: A Grad Student emotional check-list
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:32:04 GMT
Reply-To: zy5y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Comrade Yang)
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Jul26.172411.28762@news.uakron.edu>,
r2jy@vax1.cc.uakron.edu (Jianqing Yuan) writes:
|> ......
|> 
|> How true!!!! I was surprised that the guy at Purdue had to do the
same
|> thing that I might be doing at Akron U. I thought those people at
|> better universities worked harded or had to work harder, I was wrong
|> and all seems natural this way. And what was amazing is that he/she
|> (most likely "he", "she" would be with her American boyfriend in
bed..)

	Prototyping is bad, really bad. 

|> planned his day minute-wisely. I don't believe that was true but I
do
|> understand that life sucks and it seems you can't do anything about
it.
|> If you have a family then you may have some fun with your spouse or
|> kids. For a single unmarried guy like, this computer
room-->apartment
|> -life is like pure hell. Some people would say "oh, why don't you
find
|> a girlfriend?", here in US, you gotta be kidding. Back to China? 
|> (I am sure a lot of guys have done this, a quicky marrige in 30
|> days...), but you gotta
|> be resposible for youself, what if you got a piece of "junk" whom
you
|> didn't realize in the 30 days you were with her at home in China....
|> 
|> 
|> What do ya think folks?

	Well, I believe it was originally a joke posted to some of
those humor groups or to some joke mailing list that I had a 
subscription to. Take it easy, it was meant to be a joke. 
	Life sucks when you refuse to look at the brighter side.
If you cannot find a girlfriend anywhere you got only yourself to 
blame, OK? And if you keep calling a living human being 'a piece
of junk' I see no reason why girls would like you. So that's what
I think, got it?
	Again, I hate prototyping.
From: xbf@CELAL.USC.EDU (Bofu Xiong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:09:42 GMT

Subject: Re: Proud and Angry

In article <fortony.712459572@murphy> fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>
>The winning diver made technically perfect dives and got out of the
>water looking as if she were a bored robot.  Sure, she won the gold,

Sorry to learn that you were bored to death watching a shy 13-year-old
girl dive to her glory.  How would you characterize yourself when you
were her age?  Closer in appearance and acting ability to that bronze
medalist?  That's pretty manly and dramatic, I'll say!

Grow up.  Be real.  Don't expect people from different cultural
backgrounds to entertain you the only way you can be entertained.

By the way, if you want to be entertained by facial expressions, wait
till the other female world champion diver from China do her thing on
the 3-meter springboard.  She'll knock your socks off!

Xiong Bofu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: Qiong Yao's Books
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:37:38 GMT

Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>           Jin Yong's contribution is about imagination and Plot
>           design.

Also, personalities of the characters.

>           He has influenced a generation of writers.

I would say his influence (thru the char.) is far beyond writers.

I haven't read a single book by QY, (what a shame :-(). But in
those supposedly romantic years, I, by chance, had read Yan2 Qin4's
fictions and pretty much liked them. Anyone read YQ (Ha, a rearrange-
ment of QY, no wonder) books? Later, Yan2 wrote essays in MingPo
and those are real good Gan3 Xing4 Wen2 Zi4, even better than the
fictions. But my favorite writer is Lin Yan1 Ni1. Just don't know 
whether you guys have a chance to read her essays.

Steven
------
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Subject: Re: 4 Chuan and China
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 20 Jul 1992 23:21:07 GMT

In article <9207061708.AA23491@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>
>          1. Somebody mentioned that:
>
>          " 4 chuan becomes scrumbled first, then the country; 4 chuan
>          heals first, then the country."
>

I believe the original proverb means Shu
 Xian Tian Xia Zhi Luan Er Luan
 Hou  Tian Xia Zhi Le   Er Le.

Chou1
From: yuanj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: $10, add a first/middle name on passport
Date: 24 Jul 92 08:44:41 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

I have just done it for my daughter (7 year old).

The fee is $10 for mail-orders.  You need: (1) the passport, (2) fee ($10), (3)
a letter to request such change, (4) a proof that the name is already in use.

I wrote the letter in Chinese and used my daughter's honor certificates (Photo
copies) as the proof that the name is in use, and send all the above to the NY
consulate.  The passport came back in 1 week via certified mail.

Hope this helps.

BTW, I posted the procedures 4 weeks ago on s.c.c. saying the fee is $8.  That
was an error.  The fee should have been $10.  My appologies!

Cheers!

J. Yuan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:56:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.074057.18394@midway.uchicago.edu> rivk@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <fortony.712476931@murphy> fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>
>>I'm personally interested in what other people besides myself and the
>>very large Chinese anti-me contingent thinks.  :)  Anyone willing to risk
>>it?
>
>All right. I'm an American citizen with my primary loyalty to a country
>with few competitors in the televised events and whose only medal chances
>are in very lightly-televised events, so I'm watching with relative im-
>partiality from a nationalist standpoint. I look for individual competitors
>who strike my fancy as characters I like. Because of the way NBC has been
>broadcasting, this tends to be Americans because Americans are about all
>I see much of at all. But I don't agree with you in the slightest about
>whatever perceived 'tonelessness' you see in the Chinese athletes; I've
>found those I've gotten a chance to see charming. Aside from the much-
>discussed thirteen-year-old diver, I was very impressed with some of the
>swimmers (I'm sorry, but I've forgotten names. This should not be taken 
>as a sign that I didn't really take much interest after all; I do that
>all the time and still can't remember most of the gymnasts' names even
>from America, despite all the time I've spent watching them), and a figure
>skater last winter named Chen Lu (I did remember that one) won my heart
>completely. I agree that they tend to be a bit reserved in comparison
>to the Americans, but so do a lot of the European performers -- a friend
>of mine was saying about the nineteen-year-old Russian gymnast almost
>exactly what you've been saying about the Chinese, and I didn't see it
>there either. I think in both cases, it tends to be the reserve of more
>formal manners than Americans are used to, combined with a bit less
>ease when TV cameras are shoved in their faces, which I suspect does
>not happen to them as a general rule as often as it does with the U.S.
>athletes. So you have to get to know them a bit, instead of getting a
>hyped-up grin as soon as they're finished with an event; I consider it
>well worth it.

I should add to the above that I've just finished watching Yang Bo's
gymnastics floor exercise and was blown away by the spirit and energy,
and by her obvious sweetness in the shots afterwards while she was
talking to her coach and waiting for her score. This is in contrast to
the IMO bland mid-American white-bread-toast personae of Kim Szemeskal
and Shannon Miller...

>>Felix Sebastian Ortony	fortony@murphy.gis.uiuc.edu
>
>	-Nora

	-Nora
From: jan@cs.uq.oz.au (Chen Jan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: 25 Jul 92 01:10:51 GMT
Reply-To: jan@cs.uq.oz.au

In <liang.711913669@ash.cs.scarolina.edu> liang@cs.scarolina.edu (Da Dong Liang) writes:

>More and more facts convinced me that American media are no less tricky
>and misleading than Chinese ones. They undermine everything that they
>think is not good for them.
[... stuff deleted ...]

Worse, they could make "facts" to support their arguments.

After reading that article, I'm amazed to see how a TIME reporter
"report"s things with wrong figures. The figures happen to be the keys
to convince readers to believe what that article said.

CJ
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang won gold medal
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:34:56 GMT
Reply-To: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Organization: University of Melbourne

In article <1992Jul27.135316.9138@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, yidao@cae.wisc.edu (Yidao Cai) writes:
|> *******  From SCC ********    
|> Yong Zhuang of China upset world record holder Jenny Thompson of the
|> U.S. Sunday to win the gold medal in the women's 100-meter freestyle
|> swimming competition at the Olympics in Barcelona.
|> ******* end ********	
|> I was surprised to see a big photo of Zhuang Yong and Le Jingyi in
|> today's Chicago Tribune, even bigger than that of Nelson Diebel, the american's
|> first gold medalist.  But after I read the article, I know why.  Here it is:
|> 
|> 	"Both Zhuang and Lin (Li, netter) are large, muscular swimmers with 
|> deep vioces and acne on their backs, characteristics of steroid abuse."
|> 
|> So it is obvious what they mean is that the gold and silver medals are due to
|> the drugs ! 

Maybe they can sue the hell out of US Sunday.

Lin Can
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From: yayi@suphys.su.oz.au
Subject: Re: LuoShi YouYongChi (60 swimming pools)
Organization: University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:05:49 GMT

In article <84209@netnews.upenn.edu> vorchez@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Cameron Campbell) writes:
>Hi,
>
>For everybody's information, on p.777 of China Statistical Yearbook 1989
>(published by State Statistical Bureau), table 18.20, there is a 
>tabulation of 'Newly-Built Stadiums and Gymnasiums' which includes lines
>for swimming pools and a sub-category indoor pools.  The numbers are as
>follows:
>
>                     1987              1988
>Swimming Pools        155               366
>Indoor Pools           35                61
>
>I am not entirely sure what these numbers mean, though, because as I mentioned
>the title of the table is 'Newly-Built Stadiums and Gymnasiums' so I am not
>sure if the numbers are a count of pools built in the given year, or a count
>of pools that existed in the given year that had been built within the last
>few years.  My guess is that is a count of pools built that year.
>
>Anyway, it looks like the lame-brained Time reporter maybe saw the number 61
>for 1988 and assumed that was a count for all the indoor poolsin the country,
>not a count of pools built in 1988.
>
	I would like to say, in the sense of "Stadium and Gymnasium", that there are no many standard swimming pools for most of countries.  I am not sure how
many can be identified in USA, but in Australia it is trure.  I am pretty sure
that in Sydney less than 20 such swimming pools can be found, even though
thousands family-built swimming pools exist, which were built by digging a hole and filling water in, compared to a standard one.

	I don't think it is shameful for people whose country has only 60 such
swimming pools for training.  It is enough.  The Time reporter possibly had not
distinguished a standard swimming pool from family pools.  I do not think sh/e
tried to start a war here.

	"60 swimming pools for a country" is hard to accept it.  But it is easily to recon many other facts: such as very few people have own house and car.  I
don't think it worths to heat up.  Dear commoner's commander Xiaoping can 
recongize our country has not been well developed, let alone us.  It is said that it is hopeful to make our country catch up the four small dragons in 20-30
years.  In other words, we (if you are about 20-30) are expected to carry this
burdon by doing something really usful.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jingjun@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jingjun Cao)
Subject: Looking for Wu3Bi3Zi4Xing2--a chinese character input software.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 00:40:44 GMT

Hello netters,

I am looking for a software for Wu3Bi3(five strokes)Zi4Xing2(character form).
I brought a copy from China when I came to the States but unfortunately the
floppies were damaged. I used to type chinese essays with this tecnique (of
course, different word processors) and really enjoy it.

If you have a copy or any information about where I can ftp a copy, would you 
please share  it? 

Thanks a lot,

Jingjun Cao
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
From: shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:13:55 GMT

In article <fortony.712377814@murphy> fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu writes:

>In the women's diving competition you mention, the winner was so ridiculously
>good and so superhuman in her style that she stopped being interesting.

Thanks for the best laugh I have had in days. Who needs "rec.humor"
after this?

Can you say "dream team"?   I knew you could..

(I, at least, have stopped watching the nightmare team, and won't
start watching them again until the semis, when at least I can see
them sweat a few drops here and there)...
--
Shankar Unni				E-Mail:	shankar@sgi.com
Silicon Graphics Inc.			Phone:	+1-415-390-2072
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: RE: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:47:13 GMT
Reply-To: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Organization: University of Melbourne

In article <28JUL92.00484872@vax.clarku.edu>, ysun1@vax.clarku.edu writes:
|> 
|> We should always be proud to be a CHINESE!

But let's not be so proud that we are blinded with our problems.

Lin Can
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