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Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:38:41 -0500 
From: Schitt Laowattana <sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: [Part:3] The Seventh National Plan(1992-1996) 

3. Target for S&TD
 
    In order to promote application of appropriate technology to enhance
productivity, increase international competitiveness, strength
capability to acquire and transfer technology from foreign countries,
develop science and technology manpower in shortage areas both
quantitatively and qualitatively, and develop basic services in S&T to
be conductive to indegenous technological development, the following
targets have been set.
 
    3.1 Develop and technology to increase productivity in agriculture
and industry
 
        3.1.1 Increase productivity of the industrial sector at an
average rate of 2.6 percent per year during the Seventh Plan period in
order to support the target growth rate of 9.5 percent of the industrial
sector.
 
        3.1.2 Increase productivity of the agricultural sector from an
average of 1 percent per year during the Sixth Plan period to 1.8
percent per year during the Seventh Plan period in order to support the
targer growth rate of 3.4 percent of the agricultural sector.
 
    3.2 Expand capacity to develop manpower in S&T in various fields to
achieve targets by the last year of the Seventh Plan in the following
fields.
 
        3.2.1 The proportion of engineers to increase from 9.8 per
10,000 population to 14.9 per 10,000 population
 
        3.2.2 The proportion of scientists to increase from 7.2 per
10,000 population to 10.2 per 10,000 population.
 
        3.2.3 The proportion of agricultural experts to increase from
6.7 per 10,000 population to 10.5 per 10,000 population.
 
        3.2.3 The proportion of technicians to increase from 141.5 per
10,000 population to 221.5 per 10,000 population.
 
        3.2.4 The proportion of researchers in S&T to increase from 1.4
per 10,000 population to 2.5 per 10,000 population.
 
    3.3 Increase budget for R&D to 0.75 percent of GDP by 1996.  The
public sector will account for 0.5 percent of GDP, representating about
2 percent of annual budgetory allocation, while the remaining 0.25
percent of GDP will be accounted for by the private sector.
 
 
Posted and circulated by
 
 
Schitt  Laowattana
Center of Operation for FIeld roBOtics Development(FIBO)
Bangkok 10140, THAILAND
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From: kamol@ipied.tu.ac.th (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Bangkok Post Jan 28: Planned protest about helmet law
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:30:43 GMT
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ABOUT 200 operators of motorcycle taxis are expected to rally at 
Sanam Luang on Sunday to protest against the compulsory use of 
crash helmets which begins on February 1, an Interior Ministry 
source said yesterday.
 
According to the crash helmet law, from February 1 all 
motorcyclists, including operators of motorcycle taxis and pillion 
riders, are required to wear crash helmets on all Bangkok roads 
except in small sois and in major ones specified by traffic 
police.
 
The source said the protesters will be the same group which 
protested in front of Parliament early last month. Some of them 
will be wearing a jacket bearing the name of Interior Minister 
Chavalit Yongchaiyudh's New Aspiration Party despite the fact that 
the party has nothing to do with them, the source said.
 
In another development, Special Branch police commissioner Pol 
Lt-Gen Phiboon Kullavanijaya yesterday briefed Gen Chavalit on the 
situation.
 
To reporters, Pol Lt-Gen Phiboon said Special Branch police are 
closely monitoring reports that farmers, with financial support 
from some political parties, will arrive in Bangkok early next 
month to protest against the low paddy prices.
 
Meanwhile about 500,000 crash helmets sold to motorcyclists have 
not passed standard tests, and half of these are thought to be 
below standard, Deputy Industry Minister Pornthep Techapaibul said 
yesterday.
 
Mr Pornthep was viewing standard tests of crash helmets yesterday 
at the Industrial Standardisation Testing and Training Centre at 
Bang Pu Industrial Estate in Samut Prakan.
 
He said most of the locally-made and imported helmets on sale now 
are up to standard and bear stickers issued by the Thai Industrial 
Standards Institute. About 10,000 sub-standard helmets had been 
seized from factories and stores.
 
The crash helmet regulation comes into force on February 1. About 
200,000 motorcyclists in the city still do not have helmets, Mr 
Pornthep said.
 
Sub-standard helmets have these features: if you press the two 
sides they bend easily; the foam is easily dented when pressed; 
and there are no holes for ventilation or listening.
From: fyta@chulkn.CHula.ac.TH (Dr. Yunyong Teng-amnuay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: new mail system
Date: 29 Jan 1993 06:15:57 +1100
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

Dear Networkers,

Finally, after two months we managed to put in the new (and proper, we
hope) mail system for the chulkn gateway (for Thailand).  The following is
the summary of problems.

The old chulkn is a DEC Station 5000 with Ultrix 4.0 which runs very
smooth.  The new chulkn is an AT&T StarServer E running AT&T UNIX System V
Release 4.0 3.0.  It has StarGroup networking (Wollongong TCP/IP) and BSD
compatibility package.  We are using pine as the major mail interface to
the users.

The SVR4 has a very old "sendmail" program.  The version is 1.10.  This
version cannot make use of the MX record (redirection of host) in the BIND
Domain Name System.  We got hold of sendmail 5.65c with IDA 1.4.4 but
somehow could not make it work.  The thing will not properly open and read
dir structure of SVR4.  It somehow confuses SYSV and BSD dir structure.

Finally we turned to smail 3.1.28 which really understand SVR4!  But the
file/dir structure is rather complex (for novice like us) and we spended
many long days and nights trying to make it work properly.

After many tests with many sites inside Thailand and around the world
helping we are finally sure that the thing work.

If you find anything amiss please contact me at the address below.  Or if
you cannot mail to us at all please mail to pensri@cs4.cs.ait.ac.th and
she will relay the complaints to us.

Service Foremost,
--fyta

Dr. Yunyong Teng-amnuay
Centers of Academic Resources           Voice:  (662) 218 2925
Chulalongkorn University                Fax:    (662) 215 3617
Phyathai Rd., Bangkok 10330, Thailand   Internet: fyta@chulkn.chula.ac.th


Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: The Good woman in Thailand
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:47:39 GMT

In article <93021.222227U21729@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U21729@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> Laurence, you're dreaming of the 80's. A square meter of land around
> Dusit hotel (in Chiang Mai) costs at least $40,000(US).

Mmmm - let's see now, at $40,000 per square meter that would work out at
around 10 billion baht for the land occupied by the hotel itself, or
about half a billion US dollars.  I was talking about Chiang Mai, Thailand,
planet Earth - where were you thinking of?

> A Chinese full course meal inside of the hotel is $400(US) for
> 5 people. When I said $400 for a prostitute, I was referring

I was last in Chiang mai 12 months ago.  At that time a fairly good
meal in a decent restaurant cost $6 per person.  While there, my wife
and I took another couple and their two children to a good restaurant
in the twon centre.  The bill for 6 of us for a large meal was 800 B
including service, or around $30.  If you're really paying $400 for
5 people (which corresponds to about 3 months' average salary for a
skilled office worker in Chiang mai, or the amount earned by in a rural
area by someone working on the land for more than one year, it sounds
like you or your family are "unusually rich" and would be well advised
to contribute that amount to one of the very many charities that exist
in Thailand.


> to a good looking one and not an average or an ugly looking one.
> If you're decent looking and know how to talk, you may be able
> to get their companionship for free. Would you still consider
> them, a prostitute? Laurence, you must remember, they're just
> as human as we are. They are not just some sex object where you
> could jump on. You made it sounds like they would anything for the money.
> 

If you think that I don't regard prostitutes as human, you have completely
misunderstood my mails.  This would not surprise me, as you have also 
estimated the worth of the land in the centre of Chiang Mai to be 
around one trillion US dollars (by extrapolating your data above), or
25,000 billion baht!

regards Laurence
From: popba@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S Sorasuchart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Survey of international students
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:49:58 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
Distribution: world
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In article <9301251912.AA01143@redbird.umsl.edu>, vinita@redbird.pa.dec.com (Vinita Bhatia) writes:
|> This is a request for help in a survey of facilities provided to internation
|> students on different campuses.  I need the information for a class project.
|> 
|> I will appreciate you sharing your experiences of the International Students
|> Offices in your university with me.  Please let me know of any program that
|> you thought was useful to you when you joined the school.  Also, if you felt
|> there was something for which you really needed help and was not addressed
|> before or after you joined the school.
|> 
|> Thanks for your help.
|> 
|> Vinita
|> -- 
|> Vinita Bhatia
|> vinita@redbird.umsl.edu

I still don't know what you really want; complaining about the compus or how to
improve the campus. Many facilties in the University, in University of Warwick,
are better than in Thailand. 

However, as a developed country, the university should be doing something better
that it is doing now. I hope you can be more specific than this. The question is
to wide for me.

Best wish,

Sawanit
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: Sawanit Sorasuchart
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Bangkok Post Jan 9: PDP decline predicted if Chamlong quits
Date: 22 Jan 1993 14:05:49 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
Distribution: world
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In article <ssompras.727479819@cunews>, ssompras@alfred.carleton.ca (Sukoom Somprasonk) writes:
|> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
|> 
|> Well, I enjoy discussing something just for fun. I believe that nobody
|> even the author of the above article wants to see the "May Incident"
|> occurs again.
|> The author's argument is "...experiences are the best way to learn
|> politics (sorry for correction). The Thais have learned a lot from the
|> May-event."
|> 
|> The universal understanding is that the more people learn about
|> democracy, the more democracy develops.
|> 
|> I'm sure that the author, like everyone else, wants to see Thai
|> democracy develops well.
|> But I don't like to logically conclude, and don't believe, that the
|> author likes to see the "May Incident" happens again and again (for
|> the sake of learning.)
|> 
|> Take it easy!
|> 
|> Sukoom 
|> 
|> 
I totally agree with you about the May-crisis. I really do not want it to happen
in Thailand. Of course, leaving in a Democratic society, the government has to
accept everybody's opinion. It may not happen to Thailand society at this moment.
But I hope that in the future we will have a more appropriate society for
Thailand. 

As happened, which nobody wants it to happen again and again. This depend on the
current Government, if the government is doing everything as in their power to
make sure that everyone is doing well enough, the May-crisis would not appear
again. 

Indeed, the Thais have to help the Government to develop the country. Not only
waiting to receive something that the Government will give to them. They need to
ask themselves what they want to do or what they want the society to be and then
push it into action. Please please do not only think. To bring it to action is 
more difficult. Learning from doing, as I stated before, I mean the rural area
people has to understand what the Government is really doing for them. They need
to know what Democratic means to them. So that I suggest before moving to elect
the provicial governors, the basic need of the rural area people needs have to
satisfy them. And the basic level of understanding Democratic sytem is family.
But in the political, the basic level of its is the head of the villeage. It will
be neccessary to let them control themselves. Please understand that I am not
talking about the May-crisis as you wish to call.

I am taking everything very easy. But many Thais want something every effectly in
certainly time which impossible to give, I mean Praken, to them. I discuss here
is just for fun.


Sawanit 

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: Re: The Good woman in Thailand
Organization: Messina Software
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:15:06 GMT

popba@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S Sorasuchart) writes:

>messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:
>|> popba@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S Sorasuchart) writes:
>|> 
>|> You should forgive us that copies of political articles from
>|> Bangkok Post and other papers are of little if any interest to 
>
> Do you know that the prostitute problem in Thailand has linked
> up with the political and economy problem in Thailand. What I
> mean by economy. I really mean about how wealth of the people is
> in Thailand. If they are wealth enough and educated enough. They
> will not sell and even want to be prostitutes. That mean the
> Government will come in to play its role about the prostitute
> problem.
>[...]
> you fed up with the political. Well, what should I say ? Leave
> your country, and come to Thailand and help us to solve the
> problems, I mean there are a lot of problem waiting for you to
> help

Sawasdee Khun Sawanit,

By no means do I sugggest that someone should not post the political
articles.  They are obviously of interest to you and they are relevant
to you.

> Best wish for Your new government.

Which ties it up well with the previous quote - you see, I do not 
really believe that the government will solve anything, not in the
US, not in Thailand.  If you should read my original post on the
subject, you will see that I believe it is all a question of economy.
What I do not believe is that the government is capable of improving
economy or curing social ills brought about by an influx of easy money
from outside during an economic hardship. Governmental regulations are
usually detached from reality, dictated by lifetime bureaucrats with
no vested interest in cutting bureacracy or improving economy, and
with only vested interest in strenghtening their own position.  Where
the government is not local, and where members of it do not have to
go back to regular life after a few years of service and live together
with their neighbors in the situation they created with their 
regulations, you will have an apparattus that is detached from the 
world it is surrounded by, and which members do not have to answer
to those they regulate.  How one can possibly expect such government
to improve anything, i don't know.
As you said yourself - if one is affluent, one doesn't have to work
the streets as a prostitute to live a good lifestyle.  Herein lies
the answer.

Best Regards,

Tony
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Tham-Kwan+ ceremony (posted for Cliff Sloane)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:48:21 GMT
Keywords: Thailand


I am doing some work on the Tham-Khwan+ ceremony, and have some questions
that some of you may be able to answer.

1. When is the Tham-Khwan+ used for healing purposes? When people decide
   to use this as part of therapy, what other therapies are they likely to
   have tried?

2. How are the various Tham-Khwan+ ceremonies different? For example, how
   does a healing ceremony differ from the Tham' Khwan+ Naa"?

3. According to Phya Anuman Rajadhon, the latter is the most common. Is
   this an accurate statement? 

4. I have a commercial recording of Tham-Khan+Naa" that begins with a
   ranad playing Sathoukan. Is it considered essential to begin a ceremony
   with Sathoukan? Do they ever play the rest of the Hom+Rong-?

For references, I have the following on hand:
various essays by Phya Anuman Rajadhon
passing mention of Sathoukan in Dhanit Yupho's essay for the National
Museum publication series.
Deborah Wong's article on the Hom+Rong- in the Wai"Khru- ceremony.
Can anyone suggest other places for me to look? Thank you. Please reply to:
Cliff Sloane :: cesloane@staff.tc.umn.edu
Metropolitan State University




Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Re: The Good Woman of Bangkok
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:12:56 GMT

messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:

>........ stuff deleted

>Sigh...  I give up.  For two or three weeks I have been
>repeating (along with others) that prostitutes DO NOT
>necessarily reflect badly on the country, and that certainly NO
>ONE is blaming Thailand for this universal phenomenon.  I have
>a feeling we are not speaking the same language, or perhaps
>some people have their minds made up and don't even bother to
>read the posts.

>You're right, let's stop this thread.  Any discussion requires
>that people actually listen besides speaking.  It doesn't seem to
>be the case here.

>t

Wait, Khun Tony, please don't give up. IMO, the harshness of discussion
about Thai prostitution is much less severe than the effect of the 
problem itself. We have lived with the problem for so long that it is
taken for granted. Prostitution is the most important problem in 
Thailand is because we HAVEN'T SEEN IT AS THE PROBLEM. The suggestion
to drop it from the discussion, IMO, is simply reflecting our frustration
of not having been able to do anything about it. Many of us (of course,
including me) feel guilty of allowing such problem prevail and yet we
haven't been able to do nor have done anything about it. 

Nonetheless, I would say, as Khun Bunlur had, how we put all these 
discussions into practice. If what I said is true that prostitution 
has not been regarded as a severe problem, how could we make the 
THAI public aware of this problem? I believe most s.c.t readers are 
well aware as such. But how about those who are not s.c.t. regular 
readers? How about those who have deciding power in Thailand? How 
about the Thai press?

Dr. Godfrey may not be my most favorite poster but he has done
excellent job in giving us details into the phenomenon. Many might be
ready to accept prostitution as a serious problem but they may be even
more alert after reading such detailed texture of the situation (e.g. 
prices.)

IMO, it is too late to protect the image of Thailand on this regard. 
Thai prostitution is well known in the world discourse, particularly 
when tourism is concerned. Let's devote, hence, our energy to solve 
the problem rather than spending it on rescuing the image. Let's start 
doing something about it now. If we choose to do so, who knows, someday 
we may successfully tackle it. As some say, "The path is rough, but the 
destination is bright." Such destination will never be realized if we
don't even want to walk on such path. 

Samart.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: Re: The Good woman in Thailand
Organization: Messina Software
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 02:23:18 GMT

popba@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S Sorasuchart) writes:


>Hi 

>When your Guys will stop talking about Thai women in this net works. There is
>some other things more interesting than this story. Everybody knows it is the
>problem for Thailand. But everywhere in the world there will be service ladys.
>Please stop talking about this. Ok. Otherwise, why don't you set up another net
>work for talking about lady.

Hm.  A reasonable request if it offends your sensibility. 
Unfortunately, after I requested  a long while ago that someone
posts information on Thai customs and culture, it was followed
with dead silence.  It's a pity, since probably most of us
foreigners would like to learn about those subjects from people
who know Thailand and Thai life best - from the Thai participants
of this forum.

You should forgive us that copies of political articles from
Bangkok Post and other papers are of little if any interest to 
us, as I feel many people are generally fed up with politics,
particularly in the US.

Best Regards,

Tony

Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA