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From: vansax@nosc.NOSC.MIL (Jim Van Baalen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: EWIs
Keywords: Information
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:01:45 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego

Would somebody update me on the current status of electronic wind instruments
(EWI, WX7, WX11 if I recall the names correctly). I have recently fallen into
a playing situation in which I may be able to get some real use out of one.
What are the latest models? Would it be worth buying the newest model over an
old one (I've noticed WX7's in the local papers for around $500). How much
would it cost to get started. What additional midi equipment is necessary to
get some good sounds (I know this is a wide open question, but some ideas
would still be nice). Are very many people actually using them anymore? I favor
playing acoustically, so I haven't really kept up. Thanks in advance for any
info you can provide.

Jim
vansax@cod.nosc.mil
From: defrain@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Paul D. DeFrain -- aka master guru)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: noise abatement shuts down Tesla
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:00:52 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

>
>   Now as anybody who has been reading this group in last few months knows
>   it is pretty hard to run a rock concert at (much less below) 95dB.
>
>It is?
>
>   Tesla's monitor system alone failed the check.
>
>Hah!
>
>Actually, if it's all the same to you, I'd rather stay in full possession of
>my hearing faculties in ten years. (But then, I don't go to Tesla concerts.
>Who are Tesla anyway?)

running at 95dB is not going to fill a large venue with sound when it's full
of sound absorbing people. If you're going to a rock concert and are close
to the mains -- simple,  bring some cotton to stuff in your ears.  If you're
in the back -- hope the band can run louder than 95dB.

I only hope the gurus of Salem are merely adhereing to law rather than hiding 
their own judgements behind it.

Paul D.
From: grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Amateur or Pro? was Re: Insuring home studio equipment?
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:07:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: bit.384
Reply-To: grego@bit.UUCP (Grego Sanguinetti)
Organization: BIT  Portland, OR

In article <4948@gold.gvg.tek.com> chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen) writes:
> "These are tools not toys.....!"  :-)  (*)
>Chris Christensen

Actually Chris my theory is that all tools with power switches are toys!
Or the corollary: All tools are toys.
But then are all toys with power switches therefore tools?

My wife, on the other hand, doesn't believe my explaination that toys
are capable of hermaphroditic propagation! Despite the abundant evidence.
-grego
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: Myles Wakeham <mylesw@amgen.com>
Subject: Re: Attention!!! - Techno and Techno/House music maker(s)!!!
Organization: Amgen Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:33:26 GMT

>            After talking with Ben...the Producer of the Industrial
>double CD compilation. I've decided to do the same thing. Although
>it's going to be Techno and Techno/House. So if you're really interested
>and serious about getting something down to CD. Then all you have to
>do is email me for further info. 

I have a few Techno/House dudes on my BBS.  If you can drop in and
post a message or two about this.

MUSO-BBS (818) 884-6799 For Serious Musicians in Los Angeles.

Myles
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 11:15:13 EDT
From: <3XMQGAA@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: WANTED: Beginning Guitar files

Hi.. I am wondering if there are any Ascii or whatever files on the network
just on beginning guitar, such as basic chords and scales, and learning
to read guitar sheet music. any info would be much appreciated.

thank you

-s

3xmqgaa@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu - Central Michigan University
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher)
Subject: Re: noise abatement shuts down Tesla
Keywords: noise abatement
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:07:30 GMT

scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:

>>it is pretty hard to run a rock concert at (much less below) 95dB.
>>Tesla's monitor system alone failed the check.

>The city fathers had best be careful.  Most symphony orchestras can do
>much better than 95db.

I think you will find that an orchestra at 110dB would be much more acceptable
to the surrounding residence than a rock band at 95db, simply because the 
orchestra does not go....

thump..thump..thump..thump..thump..wump.wump.wump..thump..thump...
       Shhhhh        Shhhhh                        Shhhhh 
BBbbbb BBBbbb BBBbbb BBB BBB BBbbbbb Bbbbb bbbbb BBBb BBBB 

simultaneously, all night :-)

Yes I know orchestras can make "thump" and "Bbbb" noises, but they tend to
be 1-shot events at the climax of peices.

Regards Scott.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.misc,rec.music.rush,rec.music.marketplace
From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman)
Subject: Drum mailing list
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 01:01:57 GMT



I have started a mailing list for drummers and
percussionists or anyone interested in the sort.
If you would like to subscribe, just send a message
to drum-request@elof.iit.edu with subscribe in the
subject line and your mailing address in the body
of the letter. 

Jason Boardman
boarjas@elof.iit.edu
From: nunis@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Simon Nunis)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 07:28:50 GMT
Subject: 4 track machines
Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers

hi everyone,

well, its me again...this time, i am looking at 4 track machines.  ah, yes...
the question (of course)...

i was looking at the tascam 424 and sort of liked the idea that i can
use 8 inputs + tape tracks for a final mix of 12 channels...

then i saw some ad of a fostex x280...and i thought...hey it looks nice
and i was wondering if it can handle 8 channels too?  also, can it work
with microphones?  i basically want to carry this unit with me so it
has to be relatively small (like the 424)...

does anyone have any experience with these machines?  i would like to
hear about anything you have to say...also, how do they compare when
you need to sync with a computer sequencer?

and i really need 8 channels...yes...and mics that is...

thanks...

simon  ;)
From: mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM (Michael R. Kesti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Insuring home studio equipment?
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:36:19 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley  CA

In article <1992Jul22.175415.12415@grebyn.com> brian@grebyn.com (Brian Bishop) writes:
>   I have talked to two companies, GEICO and USAA, and both were more
>than happy to insure my equipment. You do have to promise that it is
>for "non-professional" use...

How did they define professional?  Does the first cent you receive from a
performance make you a pro?  If you gig three times a year and make a total
of $200, does that make you a pro?  If you put out a "tip jar"?  And what
were your options if you don't meet their definition of non-pro.  I ask
these questions becuase every time this topic comes up (which is quite
often!) there are always people who report "No problem, as long as I am not
using the gear to make money."  I don't consider myself a music professional,
but I do occasionally make a few bucks gigging.  Can I get decent coverage
at reasonable rates, without lying to the insurance comapany, and later
finding that they won't honor my claims because I've made a (pitifully)
small amount of money using my gear?

-- 
============================================================================
Michael Kesti  Grass Valley Group, Inc. | "And like, one and one don't make
    mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM              |  two, one and one make one."
    !tektronix!gvgpsa!gvgspd!mrk        |         - The Who, Bargain
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.music.progressive,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey)
Subject: Re: Will the real ALT.MUSIC.PROGRESSIVE please stand up!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 16:17:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.142429.22253@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans) writes:
>c60a-zg@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Martin Guerrero-LabA) writes:
>>Personally, I don't think Kansas, Genesis, Queensryche, etc. belong
>>in the alt.music.progressive.
>>
>>Why was this newsgroup created in the first place?
>
>There's a FAQ for alt.music.progressive that you should probably
>read.  In that group, "progressive" != "alternative".  The group
>is dedicated to the discussion of bands such as Genesis, Marillion,
>Yes, Kansas, and many lesser known progressive bands.
>

	And just to clarify, "!=" means "does not equal."


>As for Queensryche and other progressive metal bands, the new
>newsgroup alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive has been created.
>
>
>Once again, "progressive" != "alternative".
>

	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>


Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:8436 alt.guitar:6277
From: pete@wlbr.iipo.gtegsc.com (Pete Lyall)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Has ADA changed the internals of the MP-1 since its introduction?
Keywords: ADA MP-1
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:34:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Contel Federal Systems

The ADA-MP1 sounds _awful_ when run direct to tape or into a board.

It sounds _great_ when:

	a) You run it into a (guitar) power amp
	b) You feed it into the input of a guitar amp
	c) You run it into thr board/tape deck using an H&K Red Box

The difference you heard was probably because of the power amp.

Pete

-- 
Pete Lyall [GTE]   Compuserve: 76703,4230   Internet: pete@wlbr.imsd.contel.com
                UUCP: {hacgate,jplgodo,voder}!wlbr!pete 
"... So I picked up my pride from beneath the pay phone, and combed his breath 
right outta my hair. And sometimes, it's not so easy ..." J. Hendrix/My Friend
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re:  noise abatement shuts down Tesla
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:45:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.112412.26771@meaddata.com> bussey@meaddata.com (Greg  
Bussey) writes:
> 
> I once measured the level of ambient noise inside a car. 
> 
> It was a 1982 Subaru GL. The car was in good condition (eg. no 
> muffler problems, etc.) 55 miles per hour. Radio off. The 
> A-weighted SPL measured at the same postion as a passenger's 
> ears was 86-89 dB.
> 
> It was hard to believe because it didn't sound at all loud.

Windows open, I take it?

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Wynton's horn
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:00:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) writes:
>The real question is: Did Wynton sound better with this horn than he
>did before?  Unless you could hear him play in a A/B blind fold test
>it's hard to say.

Isn't the real question whether _Wynton_ likes it better?  It's his
horn, his chops, his money.  Ditto for any other player who thinks of
buying one.  Of course it won't help you if you aren't already good,
but it can be real irritating playing on lousy equipment.
(Ever tried playing a guitar with loose tuners?  Ever played in a band
where the _other_ guitarist's guitar won't stay in tune?  Now _that's_
annoying.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Mungo Jerry = Robert Palmer ?
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 01:22:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.193440.27920@cabezon.uucp>
larryh@cabezon.uucp (Larry Huntley) writes:
 
>        Off the subject, sort of, but is it really MUNGO Jerry?  I seem to remember
>        it as FUNGO Jerry.  Dunno, it could just be me...
 
hmmm...If it was you, then it might be Fungo LARRY!     :)
 
>        Larry "Some brain cells still intact" Huntley
 
Sorry! I couldn't resist. (besides, you were begging for it!) ;-)
--Eric
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: sh@cypress.com (Steven Haigh/VDSP)
Subject: A personal experience
Originator: sh@fish
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor/San Jose, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:43:58 GMT

I have been drumming for about 2 years, at home in my garage. Recently
I thought I was good enougth to start playing with a cover band so I started
replying to adds in music stores, etc. I set up a few auditions and whilst
I have not yet found a band that wants me and I want them, I have learned alot.

One experience in particular I wanted to share is:

I called a local origonal band advertising in BAM (Bay Area Musician). They
described themselves as an origonal hard rock band looking for a drummer
with the tallents of Bonham, Ulric, Morganstein etc. Well, good as I think I
am, I am no Bonham, Ulric, Morganstein etc. But I called anyhow and got a
demo tape. 

I listened to the tape of the band, "the Gone Jackals", and these guys were
amazing. Solid, powerful, great songs, heavy rock yet commersial enougth for
radio airplay. Great vocals, guitar and DRUMS. They had a session
drummer on the demo.

Well I didn't expect to get the gig but I did want to audition with the band,
so I could say I once played drums with the Gone Jackals. I had 4 days to learn
3 songs and they were quite complex and VERY heavy. I am used to playing
Rush and Queensryche stuff but this was much heavier than that.

In four, 12 hour days I, 1) broke 8 drum sticks, 2) got 8 major blisters on my
hands, 3) leaned the 3 songs, 4) improved my timing, feel, power by 800%.

I propably learned more in 4 days and in the preceeding 6 months.

However, the audition didn't go well. They didn't want to play the stuff I
worked on (bummer). We just jammed for a while and I was too wasted by
this point to give it my best shot.

---------------- THE BOTTOM LINE --------------

Go for it. Take auditions you may not be capable of and don't get pissed off
if you fail. The experience of preparing for this audition taught me a lot
about drumming, the music bussiness and yes, even life.

Steve.
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Insuring home studio equipment?
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:07:08 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1958@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM> mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM (Michael R. Kesti) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.175415.12415@grebyn.com> brian@grebyn.com (Brian Bishop) writes:
>>   I have talked to two companies, GEICO and USAA, and both were more
>>than happy to insure my equipment. You do have to promise that it is
>>for "non-professional" use...
>
>How did they define professional?  Does the first cent you receive from a
>performance make you a pro?  If you gig three times a year and make a total
>of $200, does that make you a pro?  If you put out a "tip jar"?

Yes.  Yes.  And yes.  That's why I never accept payment if I play a
gig somewhere.  I have a good day job.  Gigs don't pay worth shit.
And I love doing them for the fun of it.




And what
>were your options if you don't meet their definition of non-pro.  I ask
>these questions becuase every time this topic comes up (which is quite
>often!) there are always people who report "No problem, as long as I am not
>using the gear to make money."  I don't consider myself a music professional,
>but I do occasionally make a few bucks gigging.  Can I get decent coverage
>at reasonable rates, without lying to the insurance comapany, and later
>finding that they won't honor my claims because I've made a (pitifully)
>small amount of money using my gear?
>
>-- 
>============================================================================
>Michael Kesti  Grass Valley Group, Inc. | "And like, one and one don't make
>    mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM              |  two, one and one make one."
>    !tektronix!gvgpsa!gvgspd!mrk        |         - The Who, Bargain


-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: defrain@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Paul D. DeFrain -- aka master guru)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: A personal experience
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:37:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

>>Have we come to a point that we assume every one is a great player and
>>all we need to be worried about is looks?
>>
>
>No, we've come to the point where it doesn't matter if you can play or not.

I hope not.  Appearance-wise,  I'm anything but a R-n-R musician and,  quite
frankly,  no one quite believes it if I mention it in a conversation.  However,
a "slight" change in clothing and apparel and walla.  Professional student
by day. Professional student by night.  And R-n-R musician in between...

Looks are VERY important.  After a gig people remember what you looked like
and only have a faint impression as to what you sounded like.  I do not 
believe,  however,  that we should substitute ourselves for the real thing.
First the music -- the hair will grow on it's own accord if one so desires.

Paul D.
From: rb@infovax.UUCP (Rik van der Brugghen )
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Alesis quadraverb GT, Zoom 9030
Date: 23 Jul 92 08:19:05 GMT
Reply-To: rb@infovax.UUCP (Rik van der Brugghen )
Organization: Infovox AB, SOLNA, Sweden

Well, here's a little question for debate. Does anyone have any 
experience with one of the above mentioned effect processors ?
I read the manuals and played a little on them both. I like the sound
of both but the Alesis seems to have a cleaner user interface and better
MIDI implementation (more real time controllers). These very small knobs
on the Zoom are not handy I feel. 
Also, how about Alesis quadraverb plus, is that one much better ?
Then the prices, here in Stockholm they are now on sale for 5000 kronor each.
That's about 900 US dollar, seems a lot actually. Does anybody know
if it is easy to get them by mail from the US, what do they cost there ?

Thanks for any info,
Rik van der Brugghen, rb@infovox.se

p.s. Any other effect processor info welcome too, like yamaha em 700, spx 900.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Davis)
Subject: Re: Insuring home studio equipment?
Organization: NASA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:31:32 GMT

duslt@dcatla.uucp writes
> I have over the past several months built up a pretty good home studio setup,
> and heve several thousand dollars invested in equipment.  I decided that I 
> really needed to have this covered by insurance, so I called my friendly
> homeowners' agent to add some additional coverage to cover this equipment.
<...> 
> Anyway, I am looking for ideas as to how I might get this stuff covered, 
> preferably without having to restrict myself from ever doing a session for
> someone for money.  Does anyone know of an insurance company that specializes
> is coverage for musor would be willing to write a policy to cover my home
> studio equipment? 

  This is a common problem not only among musicians, but also those who run  
low-budget professional studios and sound crews.  Many of these don't carry  
insurance on their gear because it is simply not cost-effective; on the  
average, they're better off saving the money they would spend on insurance to  
buy new gear if necessary.

  A few years back, a Tallahassee, Florida outfit called Southern Sound lost  
all of its studio and live production gear to a break-in.  Like most such  
businesses, they didn't carry insurance on their stuff.  But the owner, Ken  
Beatti (sp?), had been a very prominent and well-liked participant in the local  
band scene; he had often provided free production services for benefits and the  
like.  When the break-in occurred, a handful of local bands got together and  
staged a benefit to replace his equipment.  I guess good turns do have their  
reward now and then...

  If you want to protect your equipment, avoid the insurance scam.  Get a  
burglar alarm, if you can afford it, but don't put the idiot stickers on your  
windows and doors that just identify the type of system you have.  Buy or  
borrow an engraver, and engrave your drivers license number on your equipment.   
It can also help if you tape a business card to the inside of the case of a  
piece of electronic gear, or anywhere a thief won't think to look.  Finally,  
don't flaunt your gear.  Try to set it up so that it isn't obvious from a  
window peeper, or to a passerby while your door is open.

Good luck...
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 10:05:54 -0400 
From: Thomas.Sullivan@cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: Insuring home studio equipment?
	<14iv5eINNjf1@network.ucsd.edu>

> Excerpts from netnews.rec.music.makers: 22-Jul-92 Re: Insuring home
> studio eq.. Michael Breen@sdacs.ucsd (463)

> I managed to hang on to my USAA insurance after I turned 23- the usual
> age
'army dependents' are no longer.  

> Michael K. Breen
> singing and philosophizing
> (and a lifetime USAA member)

To be eligible for USAA insurance one only needs to be the child or
grandchild of a US military veteran.  I've got their car insurance and it
was much cheaper than the other companies I checked.   As Michael
points out, USAA also has renters insurance.   They've also got 
homeowners and just about every other type imaginable.  They've got
mutual funds too.  A great company, friendly, fair, and the price is
right.

--Tom

P.S.  I don't think there is an age cutoff of any kind.  I got my car
ins. from
them when I was 26.