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From: parilis@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Gary Parilis)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: using SAS on Unix (help requested)
Date: 22 Dec 92 02:47:38 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Is there anyone out there who can help me with a pretty basic
question about using SAS on Unix?

I know that there are various ways to run SAS... There's the cool
display mode, in which the screen is split into 3 sections (input,
output, and log), there's the collect mode, in which you get a "?"
prompt, type in the program and then hit whatever key represents
"eof".

What I'd like to do, though, is to just do something like "sas <
filename", but that doesn't seem to be working for me.  I also tried
creating an executable file that looked like:

sas '
data data.set.name;
infile input.file.name;

blah blah blah... 
'

But for some reason I was getting messages that my input file could
not be found.  Didn't make any sense to me.  

Anybody know what I'm doing wrong?

Anybody know of another newsgroup that would be more helpful (one that
has something to do with SAS)?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  With winter break coming up,
support around this university will be pretty scarce.

Please respond via email.  I need a fairly quick reply, and so I don't
have time to peruse comp.unix.misc.

Thanks much.
 Gary

parilis@gandalf.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,gnu.misc.discuss,misc.int-property
From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: Re: Novell just bought Unix?
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:38:31 GMT

In article <1hbllvINNfj5@uwm.edu> jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes:
>There is an active patent infringement lawsuit against Novell claiming
>that Novell NetWare infringes this client-server patent.  According to
>what I've read, the patent's claims are _very_ broad, and some legal
>experts think that if this goes to trial, the patent holder (an
>independent engineer, _not_ another corporate behemouth) may well win.

a) Does anybody have more info on this?

b) If this is really as described, maybe it would be A Good Thing if this
independent engineer won such a suit... it could well mean that that 
corporate America would start to rethink the value of software patents
if such a thing happened, no?

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,uci.unix
From: john@iastate.edu (John Hascall)
Subject: Re: Novell just bought Unix?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:49:02 GMT

mwu@orion.oac.uci.edu (Matt Wu) writes:
}
}I just heard that Novell bought USL.  What does this mean?

That it's time to switch to OSF/1 ...

John
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From: mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Novell just bought Unix?
Date: 23 Dec 92 07:24:49 GMT
Organization: Pacific Software Group, Riverside, CA

In an article, mwu@orion.oac.uci.edu (Matt Wu) writes:
>I just heard that Novell bought USL.  What does this mean?

It means that UNIX may survive this Windows NT mess.  What UNIX needs,
and has been significantly lacking in, is a proactive marketing machine
that will give those users a warm, fuzzy feeling.  If anyone stands a
chance of giving Microsoft a (well deserved) kick in the pants, it's
Novell.

I wonder if we'll hear from any purists who'll moan that it's a sell-out,
and all that ever needed to *really* be done was re-release the V7 kernel
with the sales pitch "Think Small"? :-)

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: nigelc@cognos.com (Nigel Campbell)
Subject: iBCS2 / SCO 3.2.4
Organization: Cognos Incorporated, Ottawa CANADA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:49:21 GMT

This follows a recent post looking for a list of vendors who are
'binary' compatible with SCO UNIX (I assume 3.2.4). Is there
a list somewhere of these vendors and commercial software known
to run/not run on systems other than SCO. How does one certify
adherence to the iBCS2 definition. What is it. 

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: seeba@netcom.com (Tom Seeba)
Subject: Re: What is lacking in UNIX? (Re: UNIVEL MUST BE KIDDING!!!!!)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:36:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.113018.11911@black.toppoint.de> kris@black.toppoint.de (Kristian Koehntopp) writes:
>In <Bzv6x9.8FE@tnl.com> norstar@tnl.com (Daniel Ray) writes:
>>My favorite lacking in UNIX is in the area of system security. I wish
>>UNIX had ACLs like VAX/VMS systems do. It would allow for user-by-user
>>access lists, and not just owner-group-other access.
>
>Get AIX.
>
>Kristian

With Pyramids ACL's are supported as well.  ACL's are often part of the
"value added" pieces that various vendors add to their particular
versions of UNIX.

Tom Seeba
seeba@netcom.com


Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.novell
From: witr@rwwa.COM (Robert Withrow)
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL !?
Reply-To: witr@rwwa.com
Organization: R.W. Withrow Associates
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:19:01 GMT

Personally I think the *only* important issue involved is what Novel would
do about the BSDI suit.  Control of unix is slowly but inexorably slipping
out of the hands of the ``holder of the proprietary source code''.  

Novel may feel that by agressivly pushing this suit they can nip this trend
in the bud, but the true result will simply be to slow it down.

Or they may feel that they can gain goodwill by settling it.  This will allow
the above trend to continue at a faster rate, eventually leading to reduced
margins for Novel.

Either way, should this transaction proceed, Novel will have control over
whether the next several years are pleasant and productive or unpleasant and
contentious for many of us who are pursuing the freed unix path...

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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: What is lacking in UNIX? (Re: UNIVEL MUST BE KIDDING!!!!!)
Date: 2 Jan 93 04:41:45 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>The dweebs in PC mags and even in
>certain Unix mags that keep comparing DOS and NT to UNIX don't get it.

I shall assume that you meant "comparing DOS to UNIX and NT" there,
given that you are almost certainly somebody who realizes that NT is
intended to be (I'm not using the present tense, so that people who want
to whine that NT hasn't FCSed yet won't do so) an operating system, not
a "file-system+loader".
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.novell
From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL !?
Organization: Messina Software
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:42:52 GMT

merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer) writes while arguing "my OS is bigger then
your OS":

>we have 3 different DOS 5.0's (MS, Compaq and AST/ALR?) on our LAN, and
>you have to perform additional magic to make it map to the proper directory.
>otherwise you get "Invalid COMMAND.COM" errors.

Are you using diskless workstations??  From what you're saying, it just
sounds like you have an incompetent administrator who hasn't noticed
the arrival of hard disks and local command interpreters.  Don't blame
DOS for that (it's got enough things to be blamed for).

t.
Xref: sparky comp.unix.misc:4731 comp.sys.novell:10858
From: tkevans@fallst (Tim Evans)
Subject: Re: Novell just bought Unix?
Reply-To: tkevans@eplrx7.es.dupont.com
Organization: Tim Evans
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:06:59 GMT

bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:

>In article <2B360E6C.369@news.service.uci.edu> mwu@orion.oac.uci.edu (Matt Wu) writes:
>>I just heard that Novell bought USL.  What does this mean?

>Real customer service

Just have your VISA card ready when you call.

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: jpr@jpradley.jpr.com (Jean-Pierre Radley)
Subject: Re: Modem software
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 02:50:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Unix in NYC

In article <853@wavefront.wti.com> kate@wavefront.wti.com (Kathy Samec) writes:
>We will be buying a couple modems to do data transfer between two
>unix machines. Either two Silicon Graphics stations or one SGI and an
>IBM RS6000. What modem software comes with what modems that will
>run on these two platforms?

What, to you, is "modem software"?

Unix already has tools to communicate, once a modem is plugged into a port.
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,misc.invest
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: Novell just bought Unix?
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 20:10:54 GMT

In article <1h7tsjINNc62@chnews.intel.com> bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
> In article <2B360E6C.369@news.service.uci.edu> mwu@orion.oac.uci.edu (Matt Wu) writes:
> >I just heard that Novell bought USL.  What does this mean?

> Real customer service;

Remains to be seen. Univel, at least, has not been known for responsiveness
so far (FAX-back from a company that lives off computer networking?)...

> a business-computing thrust that the
> system has lacked since the epoch;

Higher prices (priced Netware lately?).

> Anyone know the valuations of USL (book, annual earnings,
> etc)?  The putative price was $360Mil,

Sounds like a bargain to me.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: mike_o@apollo.hp.com (Mike O'Shaughnessy)
Subject: Re: UNIX: Acronym?
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:50:50 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

>|> >was lying around at Bell labs. Since they were incorporating some of the
>|> >concepts they had been working on for the Multics project, they called it
>|> >"UNICS". This was later shortened to "Unix".
>
>that's also the story i had heard... UNICS would stand for 
>"UNIplexed ..." (vs multics= multiplexed.....") :)
>
>
The version of the derivation I've heard:
    The original Unix project was inspired by Multics, but had to fit
    on much smaller hardware.  Since it would be "crippled" compared to
    Multics, it was called "eunuchs" because some of Multics' most 
    important pieces were missing; it was to be a "castrated" version of Multics.  
    The name caught on, but it was later made presentable to others as "Unix",
    pronounced the same way as the original "eunuchs".

    Will you ever think of your Eunuchs system in the same way again? :-)

-----
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,uci.unix
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: Novell just bought Unix?
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 14:44:50 GMT

In article <BznC5q.FFF@news.iastate.edu> john@iastate.edu (John Hascall) writes:
>mwu@orion.oac.uci.edu (Matt Wu) writes:
>}
>}I just heard that Novell bought USL.  What does this mean?
>
>That it's time to switch to OSF/1 ...

Feh.

--Dave
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Windows NT Report
From: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL !?
Reply-To: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston)
Organization: SCI Systems, Inc., Huntsville, Al.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:30:23 GMT

In article <brian.83.0@SJF.Novell.COM> brian@SJF.Novell.COM (Brian Meek) writes:
>There's been a lot of negative reaction to this news and I certainly don't 
>wish to fan the flames...  I understand where many of the concerns are 
>coming from, but I would like to see a bit less public speculation (based 
>primarily on emotions) and a bit more openness.  After all, isn't UNIX 
>typically associated with "open systems"?  

Yes. Novell isn't, which is one of the things that concerns me a lot.

>                                           How about some display of 
>"open minds" from those UNIX users out here crying about the pending demise 
>of our beloved operating system (ummm... I use the phrase "our beloved 
>operating system" collectively here :-).

Do you recognize the term "clear-cutting", from the timber industry? It's
a practice of taking out *every* upright growth from an area that timber 
is to be harvested from, instead of selectivly cutting and hauling only 
the mature trees.

I think clear cutting is not a good idea; I believe it's a convenience 
approach rather than a rational one. I think it contributes *heavily* to
erosion and water pollution.

The difference between clear-cutting and what I think will happen to 
Unix if the buy goes thru is that eventually, some trees will grow back.

If Unix gets hacked up ("purified" is a term I've heard, but I don't know
the context) to make sure it doesn't cut into the sales of that grossly
overpriced cash cow called NetWare, then it will have been cut down, and
a large forest of users/licensees will be wiped out.

But it won't grow back.

>Novell's activities with respect to the UNIX networking market to date 
>have been upon two distinctly different paths, which cause wonder where 
>many of the fears I'm hearing are coming from.

>On one hand, Novell has made real efforts to adopt and *promote* more 
>"traditional" UNIX networking technologies based upon TCP/IP standards 

At incredible prices. Not only does a medium-sized version of NetWare
(say, 100 user) cost 4x a decent SysVr4 implementation (Dell, for 
example), in order to add NFS (already in the SysVr4) one must pay over
twice the price again! (100 user 3.11 lists for $6995, 3.11 NFS for $3995,
and Dell SysVr4 for $1600, last I heard.)

For some reason, I'm not overly enthusiastic about this promotion....

>  [ ... ]  So until additional official statements are made regarding  
>future plans, why not take the statements within the press release at face  
>value?  

Because I've heard these promises before....


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,gnu.misc.discuss,misc.int-property
From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL !?
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:05:27 GMT

In article <1hr3mmINN9cn@spool.mu.edu> marcr@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Marc Rassbach) writes:
>My fear is that Unix licences won't be as wide-spread.  So there won't be
>multiple vendors for a '386 world.  I'll be REALLY worried if the Novellians
>come forth with an Apple-sh proclimation:  "We are comitted to high profit
>for our stockholders"

Uh, I've got news for you... commitment to high profits for
stockholders is not "Apple-sh" (whatever that is), but rather, it is
the official way of US-style capitalism.  In fact, it is enshrined in
law... as a shareholder I can sue the board of a coporation if I feel
that they haven't been acting in good faith to /try/ to fulfill that
commitment.

Apparently you're quoting an Apple-exec stating this implicit commitment
explicitly... well, if you can conclude anything from that it's only that
that person felt that he/she had to explicitly state this because maybe
the shareholders where beginning to feel like Apple might have their
priorities wrong.  After all they are known for some rather avant-garde
practices (fascist legal practices notwithstanding.)  In other words, you
can bet that Novell is /at least/ as committed to high margins for their
shareholders as Apple is.  If that worries you, start worrying.

Like it or not, in the US the bottom line rules.  Quality of product and
quality of life for employees are at best a means to an end, not an end
in themselves (as in say, Japanese-style capitalism.)

--
Jurgen Botz, jbotz@mtholyoke.edu
From: jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (John G Dobnick)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Novell just bought Unix?
Date: 1 Jan 93 19:57:17 GMT
Reply-To: jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: jgd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

From article <90@nearside.UUCP>, by shwake@nearside.UUCP (Raymond Shwake):
> 
> 	The writer considerably overstates the requirements for on-line 
> 	documentation. A complete set of "man" pages takes perhaps a few MB
> 	at most.

Just checked our ULTRIX system.   /usr/man is 18+ Meg, /usr/local/man
is 6+.  That's both raw and formatted manpages (man? and cat?
directories), neither being compressed.  The formatted manpages seem to
be about 20% larger than the raw input, so this is approximately a
40-60 split on man?/cat?.

On our Convex system, it's /usr/man at 19+ Meg, and /usr/local/man at
14+.  (Same breakdown between man? and cat?.)

Just two datapoints for you to consider.

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Xref: sparky comp.unix.misc:4699 misc.invest:15339
From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,misc.invest
Subject: Re: Novell just bought Unix?
Date: 23 Dec 1992 22:20:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, mpb@troy.cc.bellcore.com (bunz,marcus p) says:

>In article <1992Dec22.235412.25470@cs.uwp.edu>, datta@cs.uwp.edu (David Datta) writes:
>> Blair P. Houghton (bhoughto@sedona.intel.com) wrote:
>> : In article <2B360E6C.369@news.service.uci.edu> mwu@orion.oac.uci.edu (Matt Wu) writes:
>> : >I just heard that Novell bought USL.  What does this mean?
>> 
>> : Real customer service; a business-computing thrust that the
>> : system has lacked since the epoch; and that Ma Bell has just
>> : given away control of the OS that runs her international
>> : telecommunications hegemony.
>> 
>> Ummmm, since when has Novell offered "real" customer service?
>> -- 
>> -Dave datta@cs.uwp.edu
>> 	"Such abuse would be illegal and is therefore unlikely." 
>> 		- FBI Director William Sessions
>
>There was a time when UNIX support was pretty good, you just had
>know who to talk to in Murry Hill.  Of course that was 15 years ago!
>Perhaps the best part of the early days of UNIX was that you got the
>source code, and could fix it so it would do what you wanted.  I guess
>the days of the shade tree UNIX hacker are truely over.
>
>Marc


         The USL package includes the source code.
         For an extra $3K.

>
>

Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: noyau@pelane.cubx.com  (Eric Noyau)
Subject: Re: What is lacking in UNIX? (Re: UNIVEL MUST BE KIDDING!!!!!)
Reply-To: e_noyau@cubx.com
Organization: Cub'X systemes
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:36:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.014048.26507@Celestial.COM> bill@Celestial.COM (Bill  
Campbell) writes:
> In <id.89SV.GJ8@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)  
writes:
> 
> :In article <1992Dec10.232841.7252@solucor.uucp> jack@solucor.uucp  
(Jacques Gelinas) writes:
> :> >implementation problems that have so far been stumbling blocks in  
the path
> :> >to the general acceptance of UNIX, so I expect that it will fail.
> 
> :> What is lacking ?
> 
> :The ability to stick a floppy in a brand new computer, turn it on, and
> :have it come up running UNIX.
> 
> SCO ODT 2.0 is almost that simple.  Stick in a floppy, stick in
> a tape, answer a few questions about system name, set root
> passsword, wait for tape to finish loading.  Of course if you
> know what you're doing, you can go off on tangents to optimize.
> [...]

NeXTOS is almost that simple. It's already installed on any NeXTStation.

If you want to intall a new version boot from cd-rom and click install or  
upgrade...

And it's UNIX.

Eric
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.novell
From: merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer)
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL !?
Organization: XeniTec Consulting, Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:46:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.164252.11050@netcom.com> messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:
>merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer) writes
>while arguing "my OS is bigger then your OS":

this is a bit much.

>>we have 3 different DOS 5.0's (MS, Compaq and AST/ALR?) on our LAN, and
>>you have to perform additional magic to make it map to the proper directory.
>>otherwise you get "Invalid COMMAND.COM" errors.
>
>Are you using diskless workstations??  From what you're saying, it just
>sounds like you have an incompetent administrator who hasn't noticed
>the arrival of hard disks and local command interpreters.  Don't blame
>DOS for that (it's got enough things to be blamed for).

harddiskless workstations yes.

we've started unloading harddrives from out workstations, in an effort to
maintain some control on what gets backed up, since our users don't tend
to do their own.

loading the command interpreter off floppy every time it's needed (after
exiting wordperfect, for example) is a bit slow.  since we map a drive
to a network directory with all of dos in it, we may as well point COMSPEC
at it.  the novell manuals even give a standard method of doing this.

the problem i was pointing out was that the traditional way of pointing
to your DOS with novell got broken with DOS 5.0.

the problem here is not incompetence.

are you saying that all network workstations should have a harddrive for
one file?

it is a software problem, why throw hardware at it?

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.novell
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL !?
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 19:40:05 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1hr3mmINN9cn@spool.mu.edu> marcr@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Marc Rassbach) writes:
>No, I think it's the rumor I've heard.  Goes like this.  A Novell promo
>about how 'wonderful' this new Unix offering is going to be.  Simplifyed.
>All those commands no one uses will be gone.  Like sed, awk, grep.
>Perhaps 'hacked up' isn't a good word....how bout busted.

Your rumor's a lie, then.  I've used UNIX, BSD and System V flavors,
since 1984.  UnixWare *is* UNIX.  Nothing's missing; you simply can
do things without spelling out commands on a ouija board *IF* *YOU*
*CHOOSE* *TO*...
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