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From: mark@tc.fluke.COM (Mark D. Nagel)
Subject: Re: Trade rumor: Benjamin for Rodman
Keywords: Seattle, Benjamin, Rodman
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:00:24 GMT

In <1992Nov16.200226.10498@leland.Stanford.EDU> terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:

>Here's the latest trade rumor concerning the Sonics.  Doesn't it seem
>that there were more trade rumors associated with the Sonics than any
>other team this year?  Does the old adage, "Where's there's smoke, there's
>fire?" apply here?

This thing has been lingering for a long time. Seattle was one of the few
teams which didn't really change their roster (except the 11th and 12th
spots).

>Seattle is supposed to be offering center Benoit Benjamin to Detroit for
>Dennis Rodman.  Supposedly, coach Karl has already had several run ins with
>Big Ben (shades of J.B. Carroll) and does not think Benjamin fits the
>up-tempo Sonics style.  Meanwhile, Rodman's unhappiness with the Pistons
>is well-known.

I had heard (local talk shows) that Detroit doesn't want Benjamin.

>Benjamin would fit in well with the Pistons half-court game and is certainly
>an improvement over Polynice.  This would be ironic because Polynice and
>Benjamin were swapped in the Sonics-Clippers deal.

Kind of makes sense.

>Rodman could certainly run with the Sonics, but who would get the minutes
>at center with the Sonics?  Could Michael Cage start?  Is Rich King ready
>to play more minutes?  Could Kemp slide over and spend more minutes at
>center?

Seattle would gain a different defender in Rodman, only to loose one in
Benoit: Benoit closes down the middle well with shot blocking. Who could
contribute more is up for debate. I think that Benoit's value is more than
what folks realize. If Kemp were to pick up more time at the center position
he would be exposed to too many big(ger) bodies: Don't need to wear him down.
Cage has spent a bunch of time at center lately due to a slight knee injury
to Benoit. He [Cage] is a first class player who at 6'9" manages to bang with
the likes of Ewing and Hakeem.

>The trade would supposedly free up some money under the cap for the Sonics
>to allow them to sign Doug Christie.

That's probably one of the bigger reasons for the rumors/speculations. Sure
would like to see Doug play, but not at the expense of loosing any of our
1 - 10 players.
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Mister Jennings 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:46:35 GMT

kpho@acs.bu.edu (Kevin Pho) writes:
>up enough young talent to make any expansion team jealous.  Plus, with the
>addition of Keith Jennings, makes the back-court of GS unstoppable.  I was a
>huge fan of Jennings when he was playing in East Tennesse State two years
>ago, and was wondering why he wasn't in the NBA. I mean, he shot 70+% from
>the 3-pt line and averaged 30+ppg.  He was a scorer, period - and what

	Actually, you've inflated Jennings' numbers quite a bit here.
	First of all, while he is the all-time leader in NCAA history
	in 3-pt FG percentage, it's more around 50% than anything like
	the 70% U mention.  His senior season was his highest percentage
	year, and it was a shade below 60% (he had an off day against
	Iowa his last game as a collegian).  Jennings also never averaged
	30ppg.  His high was a bit over 20ppg.  And, he really wasn't
	a scorer.  While he did score a lot of points, he was known
	more for his assists (2nd all-time NCAA behind Chris Corchiani)
	and his steals (somewhere up there on the all-time lists).  The
	knack on him was obviously his size (5'7" listed, probably shorter).
	He was quick, but he wasn't strong like a Muggsy Bogues.  I believe
	he went to Germany 1st to hone his skills before seriously trying
	the NBA.  But, apparently, he is making a large contribution, and
	is becoming a solid backup to Tim Hardaway.

	Jazzy J

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From: claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird)
Subject: Times change (was: All-star HORSE  (was: rookie all-star game))
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:33:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.200818.18273@cheshire.oxy.edu> tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada) writes:
>In article <8560.15915@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> davidd@hobbes.swdc.stratus.com (David Deisley) writes:
>
>>Actually, it was CBS that also had the 1-on-1 contest, which if I remember,
>>Kareem ended up winning.  I also remember Mike Newland (anybody remember him?)
>>doing well.
>
>     Hmmm, are you sure you aren't thinking of Bob MacAdoo?  He always
>did great in these 1-on-1 competitions because he was, in those days,
>one of the few big men who also had an outside shot and could handle
>the ball.  He won at least one of those 1-on-1 competitions.  Most
>of the better 1-on-1 players were big guards (like Mike Newlin) or
>small forwards -- point guards were too shrimpy and PFs and Cs in
>those days couldn't dribble the ball without bouncing it off their
>feet.  Most of them didn't have outside shots either.  MacAddoo was
>the exception, and at 6'9" no SF or SG was going to stop him 1-on-1.
>     I don't remember seeing Kareem play in the 1-on-1 competitions,
>indeed a number of the top superstars didn't play.
			.
			.
			.
'Seems like a good time to remind readers that,
when Kareem entered the league, his reputation
was as a well-rounded center, who could dribble
and pass on fast breaks, but whose toughness
inside was unproven.
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: What happened to HCA?
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:47:05 GMT

mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>
>
>I remember year in and year out, the home team won around 65% of the
>games in the NBA. What are the numbers for this year (and previous
>years if someone has them handy). 

StatMan [tm] to the rescue:

Regular season, 1990-91:   730-377  0.659
Regular season, 1991-92:   699-408  0.631
Regular season, 1992-  :    55-38   0.591


--Gidi


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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: ANDREW GAZE!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:42:25 GMT

lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) writes:

>I just saw Aussie ANDREW GAZE!!! play last knight against the so-called
>Mighty Bruins!!!  He scored 29 points against the bestest defence in
>basketball and kicked there butts!!!
	
	I'm sorry, but UCLA is a good team, but I would hardly consider
	their defense to be the best in country.  There are college teams
	better in defense than this year's young UCLA squad.

>He made shots that even Michael Jordon wouldn't dare to take!  This PROOFS
>THAT HE AND LUC L0NGLEY WOULD HAVE WHOOPED THE DREAM TEAM!!!

>THE USA WAS JUST LUCKEY!  LUCKEY LUC!!!

	Umm... yeah, right.

	Jazzy J
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From: wine@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (edward.j.winemiller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Who are the worst players in nba?
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:02:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <M1WCC00.92Nov23111537@mcfss2.fed.frb.gov> m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook) writes:
>In article <1eehrbINNa2f@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> rodmur@ecst.csuchico.edu (Dale Harris) writes:
>
>   In article <92323.163241IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>   >Everyone is always talking about who they think is
>   >the best at each position, etc.  I would like to
>   >know who everyone thinks are the worst players in
>   >the NBA.
>
>Someone chimed in with Chris Dudley.  That's just crazy.  He's a rock solid
>rebounder and shot blocker and most teams would love to have him for back
>up center.  You must have thought the thread was "worst free throw
>shooters in the NBA."
>
>Here are mine in two categories.
>
>Worst starters (by position):         worst of those who play some: 
>
>1. Sherman Douglas               1. Tate George - couldn't take my dead aunt.
>2. Vernon Maxwell*               2. ?    
>3. Mike Sanders*                 3. Fred Roberts - just plain sucks.
>4. Charles Oakley*               4. Danny Ferry - The standard for pathetic.
>5. Alton Lister*                 5. Greg Foster - 6'11" of wuss.
>
>* denotes that the easy pick here would be any Mavs current starter.

	Mike Sanders plays for the Cavs! 
>
>I'm sure you guys can pop off your own favorites.  Right?
>
>Wayne.
From: davidd@hobbes.swdc.stratus.com (David Deisley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lakers
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:53:48 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

In article <1992Nov20.144554.23583@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi) writes:
>Here are my observations on the Lakers so far this season.  (I haven't been
>able to see all the games so I hope someone who has can make some remarks).
>
>1.  Divac should be benched for his inconsistency and be replaced by Elden
>Campbell at the center position.  This will give the Lakers some much needed
>defense in the low post.

If your benching Divac for inconsistency, Campbell is not going to help.
>
>2.  Scott seems to be quietly becoming a go-to guy now that there will be no
>Magic.  He seems to be playing with more confidence now by taking the ball
>to the hole more and shooting the open jumpers.

>
>3.  Peeler was making a lot of rookie "mistakes" in the beginning of the season.Can anyone let me know how he is playing.  I know he was showing some improve-
>ment.

It's still the beginning of the season.  The Lakers haven't even played
10 games yet.

>
>4.  Do the Magic rumors to Italy have any substance?                

There are no rumors in California about Magic going to Italy.

			David Deisley

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From: parks@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Camden `Snake-Oil' Parks)
Subject: BOXSCORE: phi03ind03.11nov92
Reply-To: parks@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:03:26 GMT

phi 114, ind 120   11nov92

phi ( 0- 3)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
gilliam,armon     30   8  17   0  0   2  3   2  6   5  2  1  3  1  0  0  0   18
weatherspoon,clar 35   7  13   0  0   0  0   5  9   2  2  1  2  1  0  0  0   14
lang,andrew       15   2   7   0  0   2  3   1  1   0  4  0  0  0  0  0  0    6
hawkins,hersey    34   6  12   0  2   3  6   1  5   5  1  3  5  0  0  0  0   15
hornacek,jeff     40  10  20   1  4   3  6   2  5   6  2  2  1  1  0  0  0   24
shackleford,charl  9   3   3   0  0   2  2   2  3   2  3  1  0  0  0  0  0    8
perry,tim         17   4   8   0  0   1  2   3  7   1  4  1  2  1  0  0  0    9
anderson,ron      31   3  13   2  5   3  4   2  5   2  1  1  1  0  0  0  0   11
grant,greg        22   3   6   1  1   0  0   1  2   4  3  0  2  0  0  0  0    7
wilkins,eddielee   7   1   1   0  0   0  0   0  0   0  2  0  0  0  0  0  0    2
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
phi totals       240  47 100   4 12  16 26  19 43  27 24 10 16  4  0  0  0  114
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .470   .333   .615       team rebs  5, team TO's 1

ind ( 1- 2)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
davis,dale        16   2   4   0  3   0  0   2  7   1  3  1  2  2  0  0  0    4
mccloud,george    37   5  10   0  0   0  0   0  7   8  2  2  2  0  0  0  0   10
smits,rik         16   3   7   0  0   3  4   0  3   0  4  1  1  4  0  0  0    9
miller,reggie     39  11  16   1  4   5  5   1  2   4  2  1  2  0  0  0  0   28
richardson,pooh   31   3   7   0  0   0  0   1  3   9  2  0  6  0  0  0  0    6
schrempf,detlef   40   8  12   0  0  16 17   2 13   3  2  2  6  1  0  0  0   32
mitchell,sam      29   4   6   0  0   2  2   1  4   3  4  2  1  0  0  0  0   10
thompson,lasalle   6   2   5   0  0   0  0   1  2   0  0  0  0  1  0  0  0    4
fleming,vern      22   7   9   0  0   3  4   0  4   3  1  1  2  0  0  0  0   17
williams,kenny     4   0   1   0  0   0  0   0  1   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0    0
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ind totals       240  45  77   1  7  29 32   8 46  31 20 10 22  8  0  0  0  120
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .584   .143   .906       team rebs  4, team TO's 1

phi   33  38  18  25  -  114
ind   35  30  33  22  -  120

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From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: BOXSCORE - bos07was07.17nov92
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:51:56 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: turkey.sw.stratus.com

bos 97, was 101   17nov92

bos ( 2- 5)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
mcdaniel,xavier   34   8  14   0  0   1  1   2  5   5  4  0  2  1  0  0  0   17
pinckney,ed        7   0   1   0  0   1  2   1  1   0  1  0  0  0  0  0  0    1
parish,robert     29   4   5   0  0   3  4   2  9   0  1  1  1  1  0  0  0   11
douglas,sherman   38   7  17   0  0   1  3   2  6   9  3  1  2  0  0  0  0   15
lewis,reggie      36   8  21   0  0   1  2   1  9   3  4  0  3  0  0  0  0   17
mchale,kevin      38   7  13   0  0   2  2   3  9   5  1  0  2  1  0  0  0   16
kleine,joe        16   2   3   0  0   0  0   2  6   0  4  0  0  0  0  0  0    4
fox,rick          17   6  10   0  0   0  0   0  1   0  3  1  3  0  0  0  0   12
brown,dee         14   1   5   0  1   0  0   1  3   3  3  2  1  1  0  0  0    2
gamble,kevin      11   1   1   0  0   0  0   0  0   1  2  0  2  0  0  0  0    2
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bos totals       240  44  90   0  1   9 14  14 49  26 26  5 16  4  0  0  0   97
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .489   .000   .643       team rebs  6

was ( 2- 5)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
grant,harvey      44  12  19   0  0  10 12   4  7   2  0  2  3  2  0  0  0   34
gugliotta,tom     38   7  15   0  1   3  4   2 12   6  4  2  2  0  0  0  0   17
jones,charles     42   1   3   0  0   0  0   2  8   1  4  0  0  2  0  0  0    2
adams,michael     32   5  14   1  3   4  4   0  1   8  4  1  1  1  0  0  0   15
chapman,rex       23   3  11   0  2   0  0   1  1   2  0  4  1  1  0  0  0    6
stewart,larry      8   1   4   0  0   1  2   2  2   1  0  0  1  0  0  0  0    3
johnson,buck       4   0   1   0  0   0  0   1  1   0  3  0  1  1  0  0  0    0
price,brent       16   1   5   0  3   4  4   0  1   2  1  1  0  0  0  0  0    6
maclean,don       13   3   7   0  0   1  1   0  3   0  1  0  0  0  0  0  0    7
overton,doug      20   5   6   1  1   0  2   1  3   1  1  0  1  0  0  0  0   11
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was totals       240  38  85   2 10  23 29  13 39  23 18 10 10  7  0  0  0  101
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .447   .200   .793       team rebs 10

bos   29  22  24  22  -   97
was   31  21  20  29  -  101

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Most players from a specific team
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:34:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bxxo1t.6s1
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin) writes:

>>Norman left after the 86-87 season, while players like Liberty, Battle,
>>and Anderson got there in 87-88. 

	Actually, technically, Liberty did arrive in 87-88, but that
	was his Prop 48 year, and he didn't play until 88-89.  Battle
	arrived at Ilinois in 86-87 as a transfer student out of Northern
	Illinois.

>Anderson was a prop 48 in 86-87.  He was part of the same recruiting
>class as Gill, Bardo, Larry Smith, and Earvin Small and if I remember
>right one or two others who transferred out.  Add to that the transfer
>of Battle from NIU (he sat out a year as a transfer).  What a group,
>I suppose Lou sits around thinking one more class like that and I'm
>back at the show.

	Hmm... if I remember correctly, another player in that class
	was Jeff Finke, who also was a tight end on the football team,
	and then concentrated on that.  The other guy may have been
	Phil Kunz, who left for Iowa St.  

	The 86-87 team was the infamous one that lost to Austin Peay
	and made Dickie V stand on his head.  The team featured Norman
	as its superstar, but also had talented performers in Tony
	Wysinger, Glynn Blackwell, and Doug Altenberger on the squad.
	Throw in Lowell Hamilton, Gill, Bardo, Smith, etc -- and that
	was one team that certainly had depth.  If Anderson would have
	been eligible that year, I think they would have been VERY strong.

	Jazzy J

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From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Who is Tom Gugliotta (Bullets)
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:15:48 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov18.071027.15613@ncsu.edu>, jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN
 GREATHOUSE) writes:
>
>In article <jgould-171192143140@macd316.mv.us.adobe.com>, jgould@adobe.com (Jim
 Gould) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov17.195035.21327@news.cs.brandeis.edu>,
>>parks@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Camden `Snake-Oil' Parks) wrote:
>>>
>>> was 104, njn 111   15nov92
>>>
>>>was ( 1- 5)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  p
ts
>>>gugliotta,tom     42   9  12   1  1   1  2   4 15   3  4  2  6  2  0  0  0
20
>
>>Howdy,
>
> >Where did this guy come from? How many years in the league? What position?
>
>Tom Gugliotta (Affectionately known as Gugs :) ) is a rookie out of North
>Carolina State University.  He is a 6-9 Forward with a nice touch from the
>outside.  I certainly will miss his presence on the NCSU team this year. *sigh*
>
>>Thanx Jim
>
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>
As a UM/Bullets fan from Rockville Md, I'm glad he left NC St, but am I crazy
or is this the dumbest Bullets draft since Muggsy Boggues?
Let's take a look, the bullets suck, Why, no talent.  They picked six with
Wizard and Baby Jordan still available.... What was the GM thinking?
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From: bewillia@mothra.syr.EDU (Brad "Boomer" Williams)
Subject: Re: SIXERS WILL GO 78-4 AND WINN THE NBA CHAMPIONSHIP
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 14:02:02 EST

In article <1992Nov18.210729.13435@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> tmurray@lonestar.utsa.edu (Terrence M. Murray) writes:

	[ Silly all-caps stuff, including a woof of Phoenix Sun Charles
			  Barkley, deleted ]
>
>LAST THING A QUESTION FOR ALL THE (WANNA BE PRO BALL STUDS) WHO WAS THE FIRST
>PLAYER IN THE NBA TO SCORE 2000 POINTS IN A SEASON ...YOULL NEVER GET IT
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

	Come on, this is a lightweight question.  George Yardley, in 1957-58,
who scored 2001 points in 72 games, for a 27.8 points per game average.  Next?
	As a side note, Yardley was traded from Detroit to Syracuse in the 
middle of the next season, because the owner's wife (I'm assuming that the
owner was still Fred Zollner at that time) believed that a bald(ing) star
couldn't provide good enough box office draw.

>signed julius the master predictor (aaron b. perkins)

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