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From: graydon@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Graydon)
Subject: general farwells
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 10:30:10 EDT

Greetings!

I will be departing from the Rialto, just a soon as I pack my computer
later today.

I don't *think* I've said anything outrageous lately, but if anyone
else does, you don't have long to call me to task for it. :]

Peace on all your houses!
Graydon

Back to Greyfells!  yay!  

        Graydon the Curious         /graydon@micor.ocunix.on.ca
  Skraeling Althing, EAldormere, MK / "Nihil est quin obsisti possit"
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From: pmw2c@csissun10.ee.Virginia.EDU (Paul Michael Wayner)
Subject: Re: Pennsic Tournament
Reply-To: pmw2c@csissun10.ee.Virginia.EDU (Paul Michael Wayner)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:50:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.180516.23639@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>,
mozart@coos.dartmouth.edu (Sting) writes:
|> In <1992Aug20.151457.9049@socrates.umd.edu> sussman@socrates.umd.edu
(Jeff Sussman) writes:
|> >What does everyone think of the Town Battle?  I thought it was a
good battle.
|> >It showed creativity and flexibility not often seen by Pennsic
planners.  It
|> >needs some tweaks (marshalling this battle was way too dangerous)
but I'm sure
|> >they can be addressed.
|> 
|> My biggest objections to the town battle were that a) people didn't
really
|> use the buildings at all...it was a small field-battle with
obstacles, and 
|> furthermore, there was no provision made for torching the huts!

I thought the town battle was a good idea, however, they need to have a
bigger
town.  As it was, it degenerated into a pseudo-bridge battle.  If the
town were
larger it might be possible to have some interesting fights without some
much
shoving.

					Conrad Hebenstorm
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Drachenwald to be kingdom
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:22:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.043910.9037@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> mdewis@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au ( Mark Richard Dewis) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.221449.6069@pbhya.PacBell.COM>, whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
>>At the West-An Tir War this year, I spent some time talking to Duke
>>Siegfried von Hoeflichkeit.  It was his opinon at the time that
>>Drachewald would be a kingdom by the end of summer '93, so there's at
>>least on Board member that thinks the timing is about right.
>
>Viscount Sir Elffin o Mona, four times Prince of Lochac seems to agree.
>He has just moved to England indefinately, and before he went implied to
>us that he planned to be Prince, then King of Drachenwald. Looks like
>we won't be losing him to the _East_ exactly, after all :)  

Yes . . .  He mentioned his plans during his stop-over in the Mists.

(Please note, for our cousins in Lochac--I did *not* say 'West', for
indeed, until he left the Mists, he was *still* in the West.  :-) )

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: offensive devices
Date: 15 Aug 92 22:42:58 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link

In article <15275@bwdls58.bnr.ca> Henry.Troup@BNR.CA writes:
>
>Well, I don't remember WW II (born in 1959), but my immediate reaction
>to Gules, on a plate, a fylfot sable is either run and hide or grab a weapon.  

I like the suggestion of Iathus:  Let anyone register an offensive device,
for five bucks (you can tell this suggestion was made a few years ago) --
and we'll "protect" it like anything else.

anton@cloondara.mists.west.sca
-- 
D Anton Sherwood *\\* dasher@well.sf.ca.us *\\* +1 415 664 2229
Libertarian candidate for California Assembly, 12th district
From: jb7m+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jon C. R. Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pennsic Tournament
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:18:49 GMT
Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


sussman@socrates.umd.edu (Jeff Sussman) writes:
> What does everyone think of the Town Battle?  I thought it was a good battle.
> It showed creativity and flexibility not often seen by Pennsic planners.  It
>needs some tweaks (marshalling this battle was way too dangerous) but I'm sure
> they can be addressed.

Im afraid that I (and many people I talked to) disagree, the town battle
felt field battle fought glue, one straight line just chewing people up,
dull, this is mostly because of the layout of the town

as best i coudl tell it looking some think like this

		EAST

      +------+       +------+     +-------+
      |      |       |      |     |       |
      |      |       |      |     |       |
      +------+       +------+     +-------+

      +------+       +------+     +-------+
      |      |       |      |     |       |
      |      |       |      |     |       |
      +------+       +------+     +-------+

<<<<<<<<<<<<< everyone died here >>>>>>>>>>>>

      +------+       +------+     +-------+
      |      |       |      |     |       |
      |      |       |      |     |       |
      +------+       +------+     +-------+

      +------+       +------+     +-------+
      |      |       |      |     |       |
      |      |       |      |     |       |
      +------+       +------+     +-------+

		MIDDLE
------------------------------------------------

now if the town looked like this

                EAST

 +------+      +------+      +-------+    +------+
 |      |      |      |      |       |    |      |
 |      |      |      |      |       |    |      |
 +------+      +------+      +-------+    +------+


    +----------------        ------------------+
    |                                          | 
    |                                          |
    |                                          |
    |                                          |
    |                                          |
    +----------------        ------------------+


 +------+      +------+      +-------+    +------+
 |      |      |      |      |       |    |      |
 |      |      |      |      |       |    |      |
 +------+      +------+      +-------+    +------+
                  MIDDLE

note, there is no clear path down the isles, or the center
and there is a "Great Hall" in the middle so that people
can actualy fight in a buliding.

you may say that the layout is unimportant, but i think it can go a great
way tword making it a town battle and not a field-battle-with-obstacles :-)

perhaps some had to move "loot" in the great hall, and the winner is the
one who plunders the hall the most? I think much could be done to improve
the town battle given a little imagination.

just some things you might consider

jon
From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Pennsic Update (End)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:23:56 -0500

cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Charles) writes:

 C> schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei) writeth:

 MS> Perhaps, next year, they should charge in advance for at least War
 MS> Weekend, when you reserve the space...  Or find another way to prevent
 MS> large "ghost encampments".  Thoughts?

 C> This is a good idea.  I was toying with it myself.  One problem - it
 C> discourages gentles from pre-registering unless they are absolutely
 C> certain they will go.

...or are likely to be able to "sell" their spot to someone who didn't register
but will wind up going.  (Or, who will wind up reselling it.)

 C> For example, everyone wishing to camp in the Meridies encampment was asked
 C> to tell the crown in advance, so that he could reserve adequate space.
 C> The Meridies encampment was almost filled, but not with the same gentles
 C> who notfied the crown.

Methinks the fact that it was almost filled is good enough.  Let the people who
registered or not, and went or not, work the details out themselves; there are
many possible and reasonably fair ways to do this.

 C> So, if we require deposits, we might only get 5000 gentles
 C> pre-registering, of whom 4000 show, and 4000 show who didn't preregister.
 C> How, then, can space be properly allocated to the large encampments?  Or
 C> do we base it on the preregistration, and force all the extras to form
 C> their own small encampments separately?

The last 3000 of those who didn't prereg (ignoring distribution differences) are
simply SOL, and will have to learn their lesson, take space in the singleton
areas (or double up in preregged tents), and prereg next year.  I for one was
perfectly prepared to take singleton space when I found out that the plans I
thought had been made for space for me, hadn't.  (And that was before I found
out there was some reasonably located singleton space too!)
From: mlinda@novell.com (M'Linda Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Registering w/ SCA
Keywords: A lurker at last brave....
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:05:09 GMT
Distribution: austin
Organization: Novell Inc., Austin, Texas

In article <77833@ut-emx.uucp> clueless@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Huh?) writes:
>Hello folks !
>
>    I would like some info on 1) the local Austin group
>                              2) Registering w/ SCA
>                              3) Starting up a new group ("House" isn't it?)
>
>Please e-mail me at:   clueless@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
>
>Thanks,
>
>Sean
>
Greetings,

Please post the information for I'm certain there are others
who lack the bravery to make a request.  (Such as I who couldn't until
another posted first).

How does one become involved....and educated.

M'Linda
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From: Richard.Fletcher@f50.n128.z1.fidonet.org (Richard Fletcher)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: kids
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 16:17:00 -0500

I completely agree with the Lady Linda.  I've five children of my own, 
and of the small fighting group I was in, there are over 15 kids.  MOst 
are younger than the 10-15 or so, however, there are a few that are 
nearly fighting age.  Our own group came into the SCA as an already 
formed group, and we were generally treated badly, or largely ignored 
by the shire's people, until we forced the issue by running for offices 
and generally being the only ones showing for fighter practices.  Our 
group, by and large support the joining of ANYONE in any age group, 
provided there is something that has interested them.  Though the 
youngesters generally can not fight (if that is what the interest was 
in in the first place_) they CAN assist carrying gear, keeping it clean 
and helping to dress the fighters.  There is NOTHING wrong with this 
(contrary to some beliefs).  It helps to prepare those that wish to 
fight.
 Cooking in another place where the younger crowd can help, as well as 
garb making/designing...  Gettiung them involved in crafts is yet 
another way to keep them interested.  
 Too many times I've been to events where my own kids weren't even 
welcomed because everyone stated (loudly) how they were trying to 
get \AWAY from kids... too bad.  I think all of us were kids once and 
can relate to the "we dont want THEM around" syndrome... too bad 
everyone can
't recall it as well as I can.

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From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Subject: Re: 69 ByLaws: Membership
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 19:16:47 GMT

In article <2681@ds5000.crc.northeastern.edu> bnostran@ds5000.crc.northeastern.edu (Barbara Nostrand) writes:
>There were authorized card carrying female fighters in the East Kingdom by
>AS XII.

And ladies training to fight in Wuerm Wald (Middle) in XIII, when I joined.

(While I'm up, where do I write for the heralds mailing list?)

lord Anton the fair, token pursuivant for Cloondara (West)
-- 
D. Anton Sherwood *\\* dasher@well.sf.ca.us *\\* +1 415 664 2229
Libertarian candidate for California Assembly, 12th district
	"They'll say you are foolish in wanting the sun,
	 say you are selfish in learning to run...." --Janis Ian
From: Bob.Upson@f333.n142.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Upson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Combat Archery
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:59:00 -0500

> My suggestion, which would not require anyone actually *on* the archery
> range, would be to find someone with a good camera with an accurate
> shutter speed (there are ways of testing this) and station him/her along
 
Rather than reinvent the wheel, get your hands on a chronograph designed for
clocking arrows.  There are fairly cheap ones available or you could hunt up a
bow (or gun) club that already has one... 

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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: kids in SCA
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:56:10 GMT

In article <F45kPB4w164w@ailanth.UUCP> ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>wasn't that the point of dressing your lackeys in your arms back when?  why not
>have the nippers wear a surcoat of the arms of the person they represent while
>they are representing them?  from what i have read, that is period...  then you
>would KNOW that little jenny represents Duke Fred of the Howling Winds, and
>people might step more smartly...  B)

I've seent this done on very small children as weel.  It helps for
returning them where they belong--especially if there's a matching
banner visisble near by.

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: Leonard.Erickson@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Leonard Erickson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pennsic Update (End)
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:09:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.714160741.F00004

In a message to Leonard Erickson <08-17-92 23:36> Suze Hammond wrote:

SH>  LE>  DS>  Do Not Cross" this tape read "Caution -- Hard Hat Area."
SH>  LE>
SH>  LE>  Y'know that is *almost* acceptable (for emergency use, anyway).
SH>  Maybe
SH> LE> groups should have a roll of that tape in a "tourney kit" to handle
SH> LE> situations where the field gets set up at the last minute. Something
SH> LE> more period looking would be better, but for emergencies, that
SH> LE> *would* get the idea across...
SH>
SH> You can't get it for free like hazard tape, but those plastic
SH> multi-colored strings of flags are cheap, and look a *lot* less
SH> mundane....

The hazard tape isn't free either. Just cheap.

But what I was thinking of is that at an event with mundanes (pardon me, 
"historically challenged persons") present, it might carry a bit more weight 
than the flags when it comes to keeping them off field.

It seems that at demos you either need a *substantial* barrier, people 
patrolling the edge of the field, *or* something that the mundanes *might* 
recognize. 
 
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From: carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Alexander of Kiev (mka Carl Alexander))
Subject: Re: Pennsic, Some Thoughts
Organization: The Rialto
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:40:00 GMT

Nicholas van Leyden writes (regarding Vajk's idea about a full-time 
Arts & Sciences area at Pennsic):
 
>This sounds like an interesting idea, but it might run into the
>same problem that period encampments such as Cariadoc's Enchanged
>Ground face: people want to camp with their friends.  
 
This need not be a problem:  if adequate security arrangements can 
be made, people will not feel the need to camp with their tools.

>Colocating all arts and sciences activities may not be desireable,
>either.  If you have fires going for things like forges, the smoke
>and soot might be a nuisance for people like weavers, embroiderers,
>lacemakers, etc. who want to keep their stuff clean.  If people are 
>cooking up smelly dyestuffs, they are likely to drive many of the other 
>artisans out of camp.  
 
The flip side of this is that putting them all under one roof means 
that it would not require that much greater an investment to provide 
an adequate ventilation system, which would push the worst of the 
smells and smoke out a vent at the top of the tent.
 
Alexander of Kiev                       Carolingia, East

Carl Alexander                          Harvard Square, Cambridge, Mass.
carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu
From: 00030929@ysub.ysu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pennsic, Some Thoughts
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:37:33 GMT
Organization: Youngstown State University

Greetings to all, from Vajk!
 
Nicholas and Hal have responded to my post about an A&S section at Pennsic.
As I stated, the idea was arrived at independently by perhaps half a dozen
persons (that I am aware of), but I would be more than happy to coordinate
any effort to arrange such a thing.
 
At this stage it is only a musing (or is that amusing?) (and is THAT??)
 
Anyhow, we won't really know if it is implementable until we seriously try
to work out the problems associated with it.
 
I think I just volunteered.  I know others have thought of doing this, so I
hope some are on the Net and willing to help.
 
If there is little response I guess that means there is not enough interest.
 
Otherwise, let's see what we can work out.
 
Vajk
From: Jeff Lee <jlee@smylex.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Under the kilt; Visby
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 22:27:27 EDT
Organization: Shipbrook Software  (Tampa, FL)

Greetings from Godfrey!

In article <199208181958.AA08186@meryl.csd.uu.se>, vader@meryl.csd.uu.se ("]ke Eldberg") writes:
> 
> A friend of mine has photographic evidence that it's true:
> The Scots really do not wear anything under the kilt.

When I was in Edinburgh, a tour guide addressed this very issue:

   "Whenever anyone asks me if anything is worn under the kilt, I
   always reply, `No, everything's in perfect working order.'"

:-)

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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Clueless Classes
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:35:24 GMT
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

In article <7320@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu> bnostran@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (Barbara Nostrand) writes:
>Nobles!
>
>Master Arval suggests a mechanism for screening those who teach classes
>at Pennsic.  While the ultimate goal (higher quality classes) is laudable,
>the mechanism may in fact be counter-productive.  Some time ago, I had
>a discussion with another gentle concerning an A&S survey issued some
>time ago.   . . .

How about one, simple question:

	What qualifies you to teach this class?

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: betel@camelot.bradley.edu (Robert Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Authenticity, Atmosphere & SCA
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:21:35 GMT
Organization: Bradley University


	Flash ignorance isn't limited to the SCA, of course. It's just
that it's a bit jarring to be at a Medieval feast, with the soft warm
glow of candle-light the _only_ light in the hall, and suddenly have
the bright, pure-white of a flash cut through everything.
	We've taken to calling it lightning and acting appropriately
(waiting to hear the thunder, etc.)

	But still, it doesn't match with the idiocy of people taking
pictures of a _fire_ with flashes _on_.

--
"Actually, I call this one Opus 1, Number 1, Circa Listing 1."
        --- Crow on Vaughn's first attempts to invent music with a
reed flute
"Uh, do you know any Tull?"
        --- Tom Servo (for Vaughn's girlfriend)

Robert Crawford				betel@camelot.bradley.edu
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Subject: Re: Who Won the War?
From: system@idiws1.idi.battelle.org
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:19:16 EST
Organization: IDI-Dublin
Nntp-Posting-User: kculley

In article <1992Aug20.050801.22435@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu>, cctimar@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Charles) writes:
> To all upon the Rialto doth Charles the clerk send his greetings!
> 
> In answer to Vincent the Calculator's question, it appears that previous
> postings have not been very clear about this, but:
> 
> There was no war.
> 
> This year, there was a Pennsic Tournament, in which the East demolished
> the Middle, winning most points very handily.
> -- 
>     -- Charles, student, in Glaedenfeld, Meridies

If I may, I've a slight correction to make here.

The East *and its Allies* defeated the Middle and our Allies.

We've got more than two kingdoms involved here, and they all deserve
credit for their participation.  My Kingdom (along with our allies)
lost the tourney, but I had great fun anyway.  (I heard that we were
outnumbered almost 2 to 1, so the outcome wasn't much of a suprise.)

Along another note: I know that the East (and allies) won all three
archery war points, but I'd like to know the exact numbers for the two
open shoots:  total score and archers shooting.  If anyone has this
information, please either e-mail to me or post it for everyone.

Yours in service to the Society,

				Connor
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From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Authenticity, Atmosphere & SCA
Date: 15 Aug 92 03:01:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.713960856.F00002

Our shire, Dragon's Mist, in An Tir held a 12thc-specific tourney last year, 
and even though the rules are completely different than SCA combat, we had 
enough fighters show for a nice demonstration of more period styles of 
fighting. It was well enough received that we are doing it again this year, 
although we have discussed moving the time period a couple of centuries 
later, in deference to the fact that most of us have later personas, and 
could wear nicer garb.

We just ask everyone to slap together a T-tunic. Our autocrat, Elaine de 
Montgris even sends along little newsletters with instructions on 12thc 
custom, and T-tunic instructions...

We found it quite do-able.

(Now if they don't just close our site for fire hazard because of this 
blasted drought...):

Moreach NicMaolain
trifid@agora.rain.com