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From: shimkevi@acs.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:53:22 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1idu69INNn4i@news.aero.org> helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) writes:

>In article <1993Jan6.022217.19346@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>>(as some nuts like to call it - as if the USSR's 40 million dead and
>>still counting, makes them a better place)....

>Mr. Chaney, you, in your great conservative wisdom, may feel that 
>nothing the late USSR ever did is worthy of merit, but I suggest 
>you carefully read the history of World War II.

Yes, indeed. Very good advice.

>The United States sent guns, tanks, ammo, and supplies to the USSR
>to fight the Nazis on the Eastern Front. The USSR sent the bodies to
>fight and die there, on the battlefields and in the cities. When
>the Nazis besieged Leningrad for 900 days (yes, 900 days), 300,000
>people starved to death but the city never fell. 

Useless death that should be blamed on Stalin and his idiot generals. 
Leningrad had no military value and should have been surrendered, thus
sparing all these lives. 

>They lost 20,000,000 people fighting that war to give us enough time to
>get prepared to invade at Normandie. Long before you were born, Mr. Chaney,
>they were our Allies in a holy war of survival. 

Stalin was no better than Hitler. It was an alliance with one monster against
the other, not a holy war.
Remember that WW2 was started by BOTH Hitler and Stalin, with their mutual
invasion of Poland. Until the very beginning German invasion, the Soviet press
was praising the "gallant struggle of German people against the forces of
Anglo-American Imperialism".
If only the Western people knew about the true nature of their "allies" -
about the NKVD (KGB) troops positioned behind the lines before every major
advance with orders to shoot anyone who tries to retreat (which they, of
course, did). About the massive defections of soldiers to the Germans
(something previously UNHEARD of in Russian history) who were ready to
serve the hated enemy just to bring down the even more hated Communist
government. 

It wasn't a holy war of survival. More like trying to figure out which
steamroller is least likely to roll you over.

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From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*
Date: 13 Jan 93 03:00:55 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1993Jan12.225147.1735@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> mike@clubmezz.Berkeley.EDU (Michael T. Itamura) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.220725.7698@cbnewse.cb.att.com> ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis) writes:
>>golly gee mr. moron:
>>
>>you're a real frigging comedian aren't you?  my comment is that this post
>>is just plain stupid; you have *nothing* to say here, and it's not even
>>funny.  i think that that retarded guy in the tv show "wonder years" could
>>have come up with a better response than this...
>>
>Gee Mr Genius:
>	I guess I should just ask why you are so disturbed by Asian
>Americans who 'act white.'  Tell me why we should not be allowed to 
>act in a manner other than the steoeotypical Asian American that you 
>desire.
>				Mike Itamura

Mr. Itamura:

Please don't waste any more of your time argueing with this idiot. He obviously
cannot perceive Asian Americans as anything but submissive geeks without a
voice/attitude. If he does not even have the common sense to accept a
courtesy-apology, we should have no more to say to him.

Ning Wang
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From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Date: 7 Jan 1993 06:36:50 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <1465@blue.cis.pitt.edu> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.161113.9320@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>>
>>And furthermore, the deciding point in WW-II, besides the destruction
>>of the Nazis in Germany, was the Atom Bomb. Had we dropped that on
>>Hitler as well, he could have 10 million soldiers and it would not
>>matter. Conversely, if he had obtained the bomb first, we could have
>>attacked with 30 million troops, only to be feeding them to a nuclear
>>fire. 
>>
>>  --Steve Chaney: Founder, Borg Operating Space Systems, Revision 2.5--
>
>
>As easy as it is to say this, it is appropriate to remember that the bomb was 
>created by German scientists (as is most other science....)
>and was very nearly made in Germany before it was made in America.

The bomb (in the U.S.) was made by a pretty eclectic team of 
refugee scientists: Fermi (Italy), Bohr (Norway), and yes, a passle
of Germans - largely German-Jews (Lise Meitner, et all)
who fled Hitler's racial policies,
plus a good hunk of native American smarts and industrial technology -
Lawrence, Oppenheimer, etc. 

That was the delicious historical irony of it - that Hitler's own actions drove
out those who would build the weapon that, if HE had had it, he would
probably have used it heavily and won the war.

There's a great line in German that says it all:

Sie schafften stets ya mit, 
was sie vernichtet,
Und fallen mit der Last,
Die sie errichtet.

They constantly created what destroyed them,
and fell beneath the load that they themselves erected.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: The Sabotage of Malcolm X
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:33:40 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) wrote:
:
:I view Malcolm as a an example of what historian Philip Johnson calls
:a "gangster politician", a unique product of our wretched and bloody
:century. Others are Lenin, Hitler, Mao, Lumumba, Pol Pot, etc.  They

You knucklehead!  It was *Paul* Johnson and he called them "gangster
*statesman*!"

Conservatives can be all right, but ignorant conservatives ain't worth ...

Aaron
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.rap,rec.music.funky
From: agoyo1@athena.mit.edu (Acee Agoyo)
Subject: Re: Rapper Paris to President-elect Clinton
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:14:57 GMT

In article <rnelson.44.726865955@alexandria.lib.utah.edu>, rnelson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu (Robert Nelson) writes:
|> So where can one buy Pari's album Sleeping with the Enemy.  I heard his 
|> record label, Tommy Boy, punked out and wouldn't release due to the fallout 
|> of Ice T.  His first one was a classic!
You can get the album anywhere rap is sold.  Unless you live under a rock or
something.  I've seen it at all the major stores (Tower) as well as local
ones.  It is a good album.

Acee Agoyo
agoyo1@athena.mit.edu
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Neo-Colonialism and Africans
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 13:34:12 EST
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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In article <1ikukgINNe3r@news.aero.org> Robert S. Helfman, helfman@aero.org
writes:
>I don't know what Mr. Kamprath called the "European Threat". I hope
>he was referring to the now-defunct Soviet Union. If, somehow, he
>envisioned a threat from the European democracies, he surely has
>a wild and warped view of geopolitics.

If you don't consider what used to be the Warsaw pact as a part of Europe, then
maybe you need a geography lesson.  A, yes, we did legally occupy Germany up
till about the time Germany "reunified."  The US, Great Britain, and France
occupied what was called West Germany, and the Soviet Union occupied East Germany.
Admittedly, during the later part of the Cold War, it was a "paper occupation,"
but I really don't think West Germany would have accomplished anything if they
tried to get our bases removed from their soil.  But now they can.  And with
the re-emergence of their right-wing factions, it is quite possible that Germany
will once again become a threat in Europe.  I am not talking about today.  Recall
it took almost 20 years for the Nazis to get a strong hold over the nation.

In article <1ikukgINNe3r@news.aero.org> Robert S. Helfman, helfman@aero.org writes:
>A large part, but hardly the majority of our military budget goes to 
>maintaining the Fifth and Seventh Corps, which were positioned to
>counter a potential Soviet thrust into the flatlands of northern
>Germany (the Fifth Corps) or through the Fulda Gap toward
>Stuttgart (the Seventh Corps). Seventh Corps was moved, intact, to

Quite honestly, they were there to act as a "trip wire" for a Soviet invasion.
More or less, if they were attacted by the Warsaw pact, we would respond by
bombing the USSR with our missiles (where the alot more of our defense spending
went).  No one hosestly felt that these forces could successfully repell a Soviet
invasionary force. 

Anyways, if you still want to discuss this, I'd be willing to do it over e-mail.

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From: mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: The White Man's Burden.
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:42:23 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <C0Lz7K.FvG@panix.com> lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:

>In <1993Jan8.182129.6577@cs.wm.edu> sunny@me.cs.wm.edu (John S. Egbo) writes:


>Well, I'm not included on your list of s.c.a.a. notables, but I'll
>comment anyway.

>What is your point?  That slavery was a barbaric practice?  So what
>else is new?  Slavery was a widespread practice all over the world in
>the 15th century.  Unprovoked attacks for the purpose of gaining
>territory and taking slaves has a long and dishonorable history in
>virtually every civilization on earth.  Read your history:  Shaka
>Zulu, Geghis Khan, the Aztecs.  All were quite brutal with "the
>enemy."  For better or worse, the history of nation building is the
>history of brutal aggression and slavery (not to mention torture and
>rape). 

Why does someone always resort to the childish excuse of "we weren't the
only ones.  They did it too"
Get off your guilt trip and get with the program.
The point of Sunny's post is not about who was or was not the worst
enslaver but about understanding where Africa is going and its problems by
NOT ignoring its past.


>The only real difference between European barbarism
and that in other
>countries was that, because of advanced technology, the Europeans have
>been able to be much more efficient and systematic about it than other
>cultures.   In particular, Europeans had large oceangoing vessels
>which allowed them to permanently carry large numbers of slaves away
>from their homelands.  They also knew how to forge wrought iron to
>make shackles, and guns.

If I read the ending of the above paragraph correctly, you are implying
Africans COULD NOT froge wrought iron into shackles, or guns.  Guns came
later, but questioning the abititly of those who invented the process of
working iron???
I will let others better equiped at giving history lessons deal with your
remarks.
Gentlemen let the SCUDS fly :-) :-)

>-- 
>larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 
>_(*#&)#*&%)@(*^%_!*&%^!)*&#+!*&$+!?&%+!*&^_)*&#%)*&^%#+&
>The past is not dead, it's not even past.   - Wm. Faulkner

Kiggundu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:03:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan07.222120.24879@microsoft.com> wayneh@microsoft.com (Wayne Hazle) writes:
>let me add another two or three cents to this whole debate.
>
>There is definetly too much of a tendency within the Black community to
>ostracize anyone who doesn't fit into the tiny little mold that 'the 
>Black priesthood' has set up. This is a small fanatical group that tries
>to dictate how you should dress, walk, the music you listen to, the food
>you eat, who you date, what you should read, what you should watch, etc.
>If you miss any of these laws, you can be accused of "not really being 
>Black". This is a shame, because African-Americans are really a diverse 
>people and should not pigeonhole themselves. 
>
>So Stephen maybe I can understand some of the anger you may feel when being
>lectured by self-righteous people.  Nevertheless, as I think others have 
>conveyed, your post went beyond what is reasonable.

Did it go as far as with the people who made sweeping generalizations
about White America being all racist? Or the comment that the way I
sound, I must be white? Where are you then? Or are the rules only
applying to me?



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From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Re: The White Man's Burden.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 00:10:28 GMT

Larry Kolodney writes:
 ...
 Read your history:  Shaka Zulu, Geghis Khan, the Aztecs.  All were 
 quite brutal with "the enemy."  For better or worse, the history of 
 nation building is the history of brutal aggression and slavery 
 (not to mention torture and rape). 
 ...

Chad Glover replies:
 What history have you read to document this? What books? And if this 
 is totally correct, then how did Europeans take over a whole continent 
 of Africans including one of the largest tribe, Zulu. I guess the 
 Africans were have a nice spree and wanted to be take over.


Chad,

There are probably at least 10 thousand books in the Drexel University
library that will attest to the truth of what Larry writes. Here's
one that I can recommend: "The Washing of the Spears; a History of the
Rise of the Zulu Nation Under Shaka and Its Fall in the Zulu War of 1879"
by  Donald Morris.

This is an excellent, much acclaimed book that shows what happens when 
two completely different societies (who misunderstand one another utterly)
come into conflict. Perhaps an appreciation of the complexity of real 
historical events will mitigate your extreme views. Perhaps not. To whet 
your appetite, I can tell you that the book includes an extended and graphic 
description of the massacre of a regiment of British troops by the 
Zulu army at Isandhlwana.

Stefan
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Dizzy Gillespie has passed
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:10:40 GMT
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Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

I should add that the Boston Herald, which is the more tabloid-like of
Boston's newspapers, ran a BIG picture of Nureyev with a small inset
picture of Gillespie. 
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From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Dr. Percy Lavon Julian honored in US Post Office stamp.
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:19:03 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

I'd be shocked and glad to see a George Washington Carver, a Martin Luther
King, or a Malcolm stamp. But because our country is still ignorant to the
acomplishments of African-Americans, we won't see any of these until
African-Americans riot for it!

                        Chad J Glover
           glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu      
       Drexel University Software Testing Lab
   If a man hasn't found something he will die for, he
                        isn't fit to live. --MLK
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:15:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan06.013215.2528@microsoft.com> wayneh@microsoft.com (Wayne Hazle) writes:
>Stephen, bottom line: date who you want.

Hah. I wish more blacks would regard this issue this way. 


>Nevertheless, you are clearly a messed up dude!  Your 
>SWEEPING GENERALIZATIONS are some of the most pathetic ranting and ravings
>I have read in a long time.

But it's gotten a response. It forced all the people out who think it
is their business to dictate who black people date, and who hide this
attitude behind insults and claims that such black men are
"inadequate" - or, that they can't afford and do not deserve steak.
(I LOVE their analogies! If THAT wasn't pathetic, nothing is.) 

Messed up? Hardly. Messed up is what you call it when you have to sit
up at night wondering what is wrong with you because you dated someone
who's not black. CURED is what you call it when you tell yourself that
it is alright and that everyone else can kiss your butt if they do not
like it. 


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From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:43:05 GMT
Organization: California State University Sacramento

In article <2B4CA78F.29090@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:

Finally, lunch has arrived.


>In article <1993Jan7.202122.29095@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>>In article <C0GCzB.FL9@news.rich.bnr.ca> jdf2@bnrgatebnr.ca (Jonathan D. Fletcher) writes:
>>><< Megastuff deleted >>
>>>
>>>Pitiful, absolutely pitiful.....
>>
>>Yes, it is pitiful. And frightening.
>>
>>Let me give you a run-down on what we have seen so far: 
>
>Let me give YOU a run-down.  You post something in which you tar all
>black women because you've run into a few bitches, say snotty stuff like
>"class is in session, ladies," and then act like your personal freedoms
>are being threatened when black women post and tell you to shove your
>thumb up your ass.  What the hell did you expect?  When you post about
>how you can't stand all black women, do you really think that you won't
>convince the black women on the net that you're an asshole?  If you're
>looking for understanding, buddy, you're going about it the wrong way. 

Understanding? Who said I came here expecting understanding?? I came
here to serve NOTICE. 

I came here to let you in on a small clue: YOU AIN'T SO IN DEMAND THAT
YOU CAN INFLICT NASTY RACIAL PURIST ATTITUDES ON BLACK MEN AND THEY
HAVE TO SIT AROUND AND TAKE IT BECAUE YOU'RE BLACK. Some of us simply
tell you to bug off. Like I did. 


>I'm sure your original post has just sent thousands of net.black.women
>to the bathroom to slit their wrists because a moneyed yuppoid like you
>doesn't find them attractive.  I have seen nothing about the responses
>to your post to indicate that anyone thinks you're a slime for dating
>white women.  What I've seen is people who think you're a slime because
>you think black women are slime.  Are you incapable of seeing the
>difference?  How acceptable would it have been for a white person to
>post and say how they hate black men because they're all drug dealers
>and rapists?  Your generalizations are just as sweeping, and just as
>unfounded, given the black women I've met.  

This is really funny. This cracks me up so much. Just a few posts ago
we saw someone responding to this, turn around and generalize all
whites in America as racist. 

But then again, they go by different rules than are applied to my
posts. It's okay to generalize then, right? 

Hypocrisy is afoot here. 


>Regards,

Excuse me, but I have no regard for that bilge.

>Janis C.


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From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Subject: Re: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:56:00 GMT

In article <C0rv1J.IK8@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>
>Please don't waste any more of your time argueing with this idiot. He obviously
>cannot perceive Asian Americans as anything but submissive geeks without a
>voice/attitude. If he does not even have the common sense to accept a
>courtesy-apology, we should have no more to say to him.
>
talk about (a pair of) idiots...the person who is going to not waste any more
time is me - responding to you two; especially since it appears you and mike
are looking for a flame war in this thread; where one had not existed up
to now.  

first of all, it should have been *patently* obvious that mike's response
was meant in sarcasm, not courtesy.

second, "acting white" is a state of mind.  i did not say "if you exhibit
such-and-such behaviors, you're acting white"; no such cononical list
exists.  of course, if *you* have an idea of what it means to "act white"
and then procede to put on an act to live up to that idea, then unless
you're grammy material, it will likely come across as affected behavior to
others.

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