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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Greedy Athletes
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:29:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.130714.12076@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Hockey isn't as fiscally strong as the NBA, NFL, or MLB because:
>
>(1) Hockey isn't as popular as basketball.
>(2) Hockey isn't as popular as football.
>(3) Hockey isn't as popular as baseball.
>(4) Hockey isn't even as popular as golf, wrestling, or bowling.
>

How soon people forget...just fifteen short years ago, the NBA was
in much worse financial shape than hockey, and hardly an NBA game
could be found on TV.  Even during the eighties, and before, for
cities which had an NBA team and an NHL team in the same city, the
NHL team almost always had greater ticket sales and a greater gate...
except perhaps for LA.

The reason hockey has stagnated for twenty years is because of
parochial short-sighted ownership and management.

>And marketing has nothing to do with it -- to get a big TV contract,
>it has to be sold to a *national* audience, and over half of the
>country has no interest in ever seeing a hockey game.  The first
>three sports mentioned are all sports that that anybody can play
>any time, but hockey requires ice, and there's a solid chunk of the
>television market that sees icy weather maybe once every three years.
>

Hockey can be sold in Dallas, Atlanta, and Tampa...one just has to
go in with good ownership, and a good strategy by the league.  The
problem is that when the NHL owners go looking for partners, they
go looking for fools they can take to the cleaners with a huge
expansion fee rather than smart business partners, as they have
just demonstrated in granted the two most recent franchises...
choosing to pocket a fat franchise fee rather than take one
the more solid business partners.

Gerald
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,rec.sport.hockey
From: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Subject: Re: Greedy Athletes
Reply-To: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 13:38:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.002351.6896@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>Incidentally, the San Jose Sharks was a good counter-example refutation
>of my incorrect statement about marketing.  I'll be curious to see
>whether the franchise can continue its success ten years down the road
>when the novelty's worn off and the other major professional sports
>realize what a large market they're ignoring.

We may have the chance to find out.  I heard something about the San
Francisco Giants thinking about moving to the San Jose area I think.
I'm not sure about this.  Anyone out there who knows more about thins,
could you please email me or post.

If it happened, it'd be interesting to see the impact on the Sharks.
>-- 
>Ted Frank     

-- 
 Michael Le Houllier           *  John 3:16  * Nov 12, 1991 - Dili      
 (m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu.us) *  Remember: June 4, 1989 - Beijing
 Go BLUE JAYS   2-0   at Tigers Monday (4-2), Wednesday (10-9) and Thursday
 The Rangers jinx continues.  The year they could win, they strike.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.activism
From: stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu (Steve Jascourt)
Subject: Re: The Decline of America: Priorities: S&L Scandal (I)
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Meteorology and Space Science
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 23:57:52 GMT

In article harryo@cbnewse.cb.att.com (harold.r.holm) writes:
>In article harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (Harel Barzilai) writes:
>>       "Last year, in order to benefit the rich and the
>>       powerful, the U.S.  Congress and the President passed
>>       legislation which is probably the biggest single rip-off
>>       in the history of this country -- the bailout of the
>>       crooks and swindlers who destroyed the American savings
>>       and loan industry. How ironic that the congress was able
>>       to find $500 billion in order to bail out the real estate
>>       speculators and junk bond dealers, but the same Congress
>>       can find no money for out children, for the environment,
>>       for health care or for the needs of our senior citizens."
>> 
>> 	-- Bernie Sanders [Quoted in The Nation, June 11, 1990.
>
>This illustrates the type of loony leftist that is creeping into 
>Congress.  What does this bubblehead call Aid to Dependent Children,
>Medicare, and Superfund?   It was illustrated on network news the
>other night how at least half of the federal budget is given over
>to entitlements, while only one fifth is military spending (granted,
>not the issue in the above, but what the heck, it's the left's 
>favorite whipping boy, anyway).  And it is entitlement spending that
>has grown--consistently--the most over the last decade.  But the 
>left wing think tanks and pundits always seem to have fun trying
>to make it look like military spending is the big bugaboo culprit
>in the national debt.  A contributory source, granted, but not the 
>biggest-monster-under-the-bed it's made out to be. 
>                                             H.R. Holm

Harel also previously posted the following pertinent statistics:
Federal spending changes 1980 to 1990, adjusted for inflation----------
Military +46%, Health Care -49%, Housing -77%, Employment & training -48%.

Holm's comments on the Superfund are out of perspective-- why do we have the
superfund sites in the first place? (e.g. military plants and other commercial
activities in which environmental regulations were flagrantly disregarded and
society, all of us taxpayers, are paying the bill instead of those who did
the damage, just as in the S&L bailout). Real spending on the environment must
have dropped precipitously under Reagan and Bush, but I don't have any figures.

I find it unsurprising that most of the stupid comments which ignore any
sense of reality come from .com addresses. (Not all .com people are like this,
just enough to spoil it for the rest of us-- it only takes a few bad apples to
spoil the barrel). 

Stephen Jascourt   stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Subject: Re: Straight Child molesters?
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 07:51:30 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <XcLViB3w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM> djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:
>manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis) writes:
>
>> I think we should have djk frozen in a block of Lucite, and placed on
>> permanent exhibition. Idiocy on this scale really deserves publicity. 
>> \    Vincent Manis <manis@cs.ubc.ca>      "There is no law that vulgarity and

>Why are antagonistic points of view always reported as 'stupid'?

Stop whining.
its seems to be a human trait, along with fucking anything that moves.
Perhaps you might think about why people think what you say sounds stupid?

duh!!!!

crying to your mommy that the queers call you  names is not impressive.
heres a free clue, ..
what vince or I or anyone elese on this fucking net says to you is of no
coonsequence.. What you say, is.

Now if you are serious about what you say, and want to talk, my net address is 
owen@autodesk.com. 


LUX .. owen
>
>I don't think your 'side' is stupid - I just think they are
>trying to rationalize mass depravity. That's all.
>
>-djk
>
>--- Daniel J. Karnes / WA6NDT --------------------------------------
>--- NMS&Systems Engineering ----------------------------------------
>--- Djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM / ..CtEdge!Nitro!Djk ----------------------
>-- 'innovative solutions for modern problems' ----------------------


-- 
D. Owen Rowley .. Note this acct is not my primary USENET access
mail gets to me quicker if you send it to owen@autodesk.com

*No matter where you go, there you are.*
From: judyd@pendragon.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Want Tsongas back in the race?  Call (617)422-0100
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:52:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <ku64k6INN37q@news.bbn.com> rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman) writes:
>Tired of mud-slinging?  Want the campaign to get back to
>a discussion of issues?
>
>Then call Paul Tsongas' headquarters, (617) 422-0100, and say that
>you'd like him to return to the race.  He says he's going to
>wait another day or two before making his decision.

You can also call (800) 881-TEAM, or (508) 441-9191.

Can anyone confirm or deny the rumor that a woman
claiming to be another Clinton mistress will be featured
in the May issue of _Playboy_ magazine?

Judy Drake
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:18303 rec.autos:11432 sci.econ:3771
From: it1@ra.msstate.edu (Tim Tsai)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,rec.autos,sci.econ
Subject: Re: Japan could be skirting $30 billon in U.S. taxes annually
Date: 15 Apr 92 07:00:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mississippi State University


  Just goes to show that Japanese businessmen is not unlike any other
businessmen.  :-)
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:17971 alt.politics.elections:829
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Perot upcoming appearance on Larry King April 16th
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:13:16 GMT
Reply-To: fierro@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


  Well, I just got through on the line, and I missed the info about 
earlier C-SPAN appearances (4/10 and 4/11), but he will be on Larry
King Live again this Thursday.  Try and call in and get your burning
questions answered first-hand!!!

   "Ross, how are you going to fix this country?"

   "Ross, what are you going to do about health care?"

   "Ross, how are you going to reduce the deficit?"

   "Ross, are you going to plow over our constitutional rights?"

   "Ross, are you really going to make us all wear ties?" 

    :-)

  Doug
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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Ross Perot
Date: 8 Apr 92 09:47:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) writes:
>  It seems like the people really slamming Perot on the net here are the
>Marrou supporters.

That's because we don't like what he's done and proposed to do vis a
vis the bill of rights.  Nor are we the only ones... I believe,
however, that the Marrou supporters are the only Perot-bashers who
have named their supported candidate, which would make it more
visible.  

Plus, we're sick of only having the democrats and republican
candidates to pick on.  Hell, even their own parties don't like them.
What challenge is that?

-- 
Yes, you're right, I AM Satan.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: pac9897@zeus.tamu.edu (THEY SENTENCED ME TO 5 MORE YEARS)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Ozone problem burns Politically Correct
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:44:00 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr12.215346.22428@anomaly.sbs.com>, mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan) writes...
>Oh boy, yet another the-world-is-doomed prediction. Listen, since the world
>is obviously doomed because of humans like us, why don't you take a gun and
>end it all, and help contribute to saving the Earth?

Because if he was to shoot you dead he would be up on a federal murder charge...

Philip A. Carney		On Exchange from Lancaster University,
Texas A&M University, TX	England.

**********ALL VIEWS EXPRESSED ARE MY OWN, NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF**************
******TEXAS A & M UNIVERSITY, LANCASTER UNIVERSITY OR THEIR ASSOCIATES**********

"The lust for power is rooted not in strength, but in weakness..." - Erich Fromm

Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:17776 alt.activism:7527 alt.news-media:203 soc.rights.human:1352
From: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: The Decline of America: Priorities: S&L Scandal (I)
Organization: Small Business Systems, Incorporated, Esmond, RI  02917
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:54:12 GMT

stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu (Steve Jascourt) writes:

>Harel also previously posted the following pertinent statistics:

There are many types of liars: liars, damn liars, and statisticians.

The funny thing about statistics is that you can make them support any
arguement you wish - you merely do not disclose all the pertinent information
about the survey or statistics being quoted.

>Holm's comments on the Superfund are out of perspective-- why do we have the
>superfund sites in the first place? (e.g. military plants and other commercial
>activities in which environmental regulations were flagrantly disregarded and
>society, all of us taxpayers, are paying the bill instead of those who did
>the damage, just as in the S&L bailout).

Most of the Superfund sites around here are the result of improper disposal
of toxic wastes. Naturally, most of this disposal was done years ago, before
any guidelines had been established for disposal of such substances, and
people thought the best thing to do would be bury it and forget about it.

Not exactly a bright decision, but not the "heheheh... dump it and we can
improve the profits!" conspiracy the looney-left would like to make people
believe.

>I find it unsurprising that most of the stupid comments which ignore any
>sense of reality come from .com addresses. 

Funny, I have always noticed the same thing from the
average suck-at-the-public-teat .EDU user (like Harel).

MD
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Even the Pro-socialized Medicine Types Hate It
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:52:41 GMT

Oh my, George Mitchell (congressional Democratic leader) introduced a
bill exempting congress from having to be part of any socialized
medicine / national health insurance.  It was actually some weeks back
but hasn't been widely covered (imagine that).  Which leads us to the
interesting question of why the supporters of such a system, which
they tell us could give us health care just as good as we get now but
at a lower cost, would not want to participate in the "obvious"
benefits of such a system.  I imagine if we could ask about it the
honest response would be, "Suckers!"
-- 
"Body by Fisher - brains by Mattel."
From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Israeli Excesses Must Stop
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:56:16 -0500

Items you may not transport into the Isreili-occupied territories ...

Cigarettes
All kinds of cigarette lighters which cannot be examined.
Electrical and Optical items.
Pocket calculators. 
Heavy rolls of string.
Kettles and pots with handles.
Umbrellas.
Knives.
Thermostats which cannot be examined.
All kinds of toys.
Wooden objects.
Handsets.
Childrens' strollers.
Food powders & spices which cannot be examined.
All types of medicine over 20 units.
Pastes and powders which cannot be examined.
Musical Instruments.
Shaving razors.
Videos and Cassettes.
More than two bars of soap.
Military uniforms.
Chinaware.
Primus stoves.
Locks.
Pens which cannot be examined.
Albums (photo?)
Paper napkins.
Food articles including canned goods.
Ropes.
Single articles of cosmetics.
Rooling-papers for cigarettes.
Non-Transparent substances of glass jars.
Wooden picture frames.
Wooden handles for kitchen items.
Pipe tobacco.
Dirty clothing or diapers.
Ink-pen refills which cannot be examined.

-- Source ... Harpers Magazine, April 1992 issue, pg 22

While I in no way count myself as an anti-zionist ... I do think that
we are supporting yet another police-state dedicated to destroying an
inconvienent portion of their population. If Israel has become this
fascist - it is time to let it fall to its enemies. The border-line
has obviously been crossed here between legitimate self-preservation
and sadistic oppression of another culture. Israel does not have
infinite and unlimited powers against others even if those others wish
to cause it to cease to exist. If th USA is so concerned ... then let's give
the jewish/hebrew/zionist people a nice chunk of Texas to live in. 
The mass-occupation of already occupied sections of the mid-east is most
obviously a total failure. We will be supporting fascists for the next 500
years if we try to help the zionists maintain a politically-superior presence
in that area. Supporting fascists to achieve short-term policy goals has
given the USA plenty of trouble in the past and is sure to give us even
worst trouble in the future. 

To re-iterate ... Israel may NOT be permitted infinite powers just to
preserve its own existence. The same goes for the USA ... we did NOT
have the right to end the world just to keep the Soviets from invading
our territory. Talk about your self-important, self-centered view of
the universe !!!

-- Jim Mason : Standard Disclaimers
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: emmett@kpc.com (Emmett Kilgariff)
Subject: Re: Ross Perot
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Corporation, Santa Clara, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:37:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.204914.19781@morrow.stanford.edu> GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis) writes:
>In article <4595@huxley.cs.nps.navy.mil>,
>jxxl@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke) writes:
>>GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis) writes:
>>
>># While I
>># don't want to imply that Perot is as bad as Hitler there are
>># disturbing parallels between the way people are reacting to Perot
>># and the way that Germany and Italy fell to fascism.
>>
>>Go for it. What are the parallels?
>
>I think both societies were at a point where they were looking for
>a savior who would rescue them from what were perceived of as
>very bad times compared to what had been known in the past.  The
>known leadership could only offer more of the same while the Nazi's
>and Facists were untried but spoke powerfully about making the
>system work.  They did so in very broad terms, however, without
>being real specific about how they would get the job done.  Some
>people tried to warn that these ways might be very bad, or that the
>people themselves might not be very nice people, but the majority
>wanted so desperately to believe that their salvation was at hand
>that they refused to believe the nay sayers.
	
	Replace the phrase "Nazi's and Facists" with "Reagan Republicans"
and you would have the same parallels. Reagan may not have done the
best long-term for the US, but he's no Adolph Hitler.
	Differences between Perot and Nazis - The Nazis used Scapegoating
 Racism and Nationalism to further their support. I have heard none of this
from Perot.

>
>Perot offers just this kind of "straight talk" to us today, again
>without being very specific.  Some people are already reluctant to
>believe that he really means some of what he has said; others brush
>them off with assertions that somehow "the people" won't let him do
>anything really bad.  I'm sure that some of the good people of
>Germany and Italy had just such thoughts about Der Fuhrer and Il
>Dulce.
>
>/June
From: Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: why don't you just read soc.motss
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:41:05 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Apr4.002724.979@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>Well, In keeping to the title of this thread, I *did* read Soc.MOTSS.
>
>I found a lot of conversations about peoples personal interest in
>the gay-rights movement, a lot of discussion of Jodie Fosters Oscar
>speech and some stuff about discrimination.
>
>I did *not* find even one thread advocating violent child-molestation or
>even non-violent sexual predation on prepubecents. I'm not sure what
>Mr. Cramer was reading ... but I see no evidence to support his claims
>of any conspiracy to 'corrupt' children. 
>
	Same here.  Not being an motss type a lot of what I read was fairly
uninteresting, but in general my experience pretty much parallels your own.
I can only conclude that Cramer is gatewaying in from an atlernate universe.
	Wonder what gateway software he's using?  >:-)>  
>
>Me, myself and I ... Well I think humans are naturally 'omnisexual' -
>meaning that they will hump anything moving (and some things that
>don't) if freed from societial brainwashing. In that context, 
>exclusive heterosexuality is just as much of a narrow-focus abberation
>as heterosexuality. 
>
	Could be, although I don't know of any good, empiracally sound way
to test that hypothesis.

>Does it make any difference whether a post-pubecent youth is 'guided'
>towards hetero, homo, omni or non-sexual orientations ? No. Please
>grow-up Mr. Cramer and realize that there are *many* things more
>important that ones sexual preferences. 
>
	And, of course, there's always the possibility that sexual orientation
is more a matter of physiological disposition than environment.  Current
research at least suggests that this may be the case, although results are far
from conclusive.
>-- Jim Mason : Standard disclaimers

Chuck

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Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:17898 misc.legal:9175
From: peercy@crhc.uiuc.edu (Mike Peercy)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Noriega
Date: 12 Apr 92 03:48:04 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: dopey.crhc.uiuc.edu
Keywords: extraterritoriality, sham, trial

rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman) writes:

| Yesterday, Manuel Noriega was convicted of violating a whole bunch
| of U.S. laws, even though the acts in question occured entirely
| within Panama.  I'm not sure Noriega had ever even set foot in the U.S.
| before we invaded his country and kidnapped him.

| Now if the U.S. can do this, then the following must be perfectly fine too:

|   - Iran sends agents to the US and/or UK to kidnap Salman Rushdie
|     and take him to face a "trial" before a group of ayatollahs, who
|     quickly sentence him to death and execute him.

|   - The King of Saudi Arabia, angry that someone has smuggled U.S. beer
|     into the country, sends a divison to invade and loot St. Louis, Missouri
|     while searching for the president of Anheuser-Busch Corporation.  
|     When this person is found, he is brought back to Saudi Arabia 
|     and charged with violating Islamic prohibitions on alcohol, 
|     and is put to death.

| Someone tell me the difference.

Drugs are bad.  BAD.  Like frying eggs.

Pardon me while I take another swig of Victory Gin.