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From: mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Alpha effects on VAX hardware, VMS license pricing Was: VAX 7000-6xx ...
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:20:00 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Aug19.164034.8900@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, critz@star.enet.dec.com (Richard Cri writes...
> 
> 
>That's not really an option since he specifically wants to add it to his
>cluster.  OpenVMS Alpha V1.0 does not support clusters.  Cluster support
>is currently scheduled to be phased in over multiple releases.  If he
>needs the power now, he should buy the VAX.

What about the idea of prices for VAX hardware and VMS licensing changing 
in a significantly downward direction after the alpha releases?

Would it pay to wait a bit and see what will happen?

Mike



Mike McCurdy			Disclaimer:
VAX Systems Management		     
San Diego State University		"Everything I say may be wrong."
mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu  	
Xref: sparky comp.os.vms:13974 comp.unix.ultrix:6410
From: ip_boss@degsyd.syd.deg.csiro.au (Jack Churchill)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: VMS <--> Ultrix data transfers
Date: 22 Aug 92 10:14:29 GMT
Organization: CSIRO, Exploration Geoscience

For better or for worse we have become a mixed vms/ultrix site.  We run
several in-house written applications on both systems which access custom
structured files containing byte, integer and real data.  We currently run
converters to transport some data files from one system to the other, to
overcome differences in the internal structure of the files between the
two systems (e.g., k-tyle format to simple flat files) as well as any
difference in the data itself (e.g. vms real to ieee real but we haven't
crossed that bridge yet).  I'm wondering if there's any off the shelf
software or tools that ease the pain - for example, one could set up a
shared nfs area which just contains one format but can be converted on the
fly to the other via intermediate code (linked to the application's
input/output routines on the client or at the server end or some
combination of both if not using nfs). This is in the interest of saving
time since I already roughly know how it can be done - RPC is one way. It
would be wonderful if the necessary data type conversion and
communications code, commecial or otherwise is already available to save
time.  Any suggestions please?

-- 
  Jack N. Churchill                            | jack@syd.deg.csiro.au
  CSIRO  Division of Exploration Geoscience    | churchill@decus.com.au
  PO Box 136  North Ryde  NSW  2113            | Phone:  +61 2 887 8884
  Australia                                    | Fax:    +61 2 887 8909
** Unless otherwise specified, the opinions expressed here are my own. **
From: gezelter@rlgsc.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: File Expiration Date
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:40:25 GMT
Organization: Robert Gezelter Software Consultant, Flushing, NY

In article <920816103256.27604699@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU>, PARMALEE001@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU (Rich Parmalee) writes:
> ...
>
> I do have one problem with the command procedure but I have an idea on how to
> get around it. The problem comes up is if the file is created less than 7 days
> before the end of the month, I will come up with an invalid date such as : 
> 35-AUG-1992:10:34:22.93. Does anyone know how to get DCL to add one or more
> weeks to a date and have it go to the next month if necessary?
> 
> 
> Thank-you for any help,
> 
> Rich Parmalee     PARMALEE001@WCSUB.CSTATEU.EDU
> 
-- 
Rich,
 
Your command file is going to too much trouble! VMS will do the 
necessary computations for you.
 
For example, suppose that you want to delete all *.LOG files 
which are older than 7 days. The command to do this would be:
 
              $ DELETE/BEFORE:-7-00:00/LOG *.LOG;*
 
The above command uses a DELTA time to express the concept of 
age. There is no need to compute the actual cut off date.
 
I hope that the above is useful. If I have been unclear, please 
feel free to contact me.
 
- Bob
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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: Clustered Global Section
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:55:51 GMT


In article <1992Aug19.062727.204@rlgsc.com>, gezelter@rlgsc.com writes:
|> 
|>Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but no, sharing Global 
|>Sections across a cluster is a very bad solution (It will not 
|>work).
|> 
|>There is literally no way to guarantee the paging behavior of a 
|>global section in any event (other than open/closing the 
|>section).
|> 
|>A different version of this hazard is also seen in many programs 
|>which use Global Sections on a single processor. The timing 
|>hazards which can appear (seemingly out of nowhere) are very 
|>impressive.

I beg your pardon, but sharing data using global sections works just fine on
a single processor, provided you follow the proper programming conventions
for data sharing between asynchronously running tasks (i.e., protection of
critical sections), which you have to follow in any event no matter how your
two independent processes are sharing data.  The above paragraph implies
that there is some problem with paging behavior in the single-processor case,
and that simply is not in any way true.  The whole point of global sections
is to allow multiple processes running on the same system to share data.
Any timing problems that may occur are self-inflicted and due to sloppy
programming by the user.

--PSW
From: HEGE@finabo.abo.fi (Kaj H{ggman DC)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: DECW => DECW Motif
Date: 18 Aug 92 07:48:37 GMT
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

Hello!

I'm about to install DECW Motif in our MI-cluster and I'd really 
appreciate any comments or ideas about the migration from DECW
to DECW Motif.

It seems like I'll have to tailor off DECWindows first, before
install Motif, or? As far as the installation concerns, is there something
else that should be done?

I'm familiar with the UAF and SYSGEN quotas that need to be changed,
what other "post installation" procedures are there?

THANX!

-=HeGe=-
Kaj Haggman             Internet: Hege@abo.fi       Bitnet: Hege@finabo
Abo Akademi University  (Hepnet/span) Decnet/funet: (21905::)abovax::hege 
Computing Center        X.400: s=hege o=abo prmd=inet admd=fumail c=fi  
SF-20500 Abo, FINLAND   Phone : +358-21-654467  Telefax : +358-21-654497
Xref: sparky comp.os.vms:13870 comp.sources.wanted:4036
From: gaertner@rz-berlin.mpg.de
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.sources.wanted
Subject: Re: HELP:Compress on VAX,Decompress on PC
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:49:50 +0100
Organization: Rechenzentrum MPG Berlin

In article <1992Aug14.080302.249@winkle.bhpese.oz.au>, smp_abbott@winkle.bhpese.oz.au writes:
> I have a need to compress text files on VAX-VMS and decompress on a PC.
> Can anyone point me to some source that will compile on VMS and a PC to do
> this.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Owen ABBOTT
> Newcastle,
> Australia
> 

Use  zoo 2.1 ; it's a C source and works (at least for me) on VMS, Ultrix, 
and AtariTOS.

Ralf

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  Ralf Gaertner
From: tihor@acf3.NYU.EDU (Stephen Tihor)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: ANSI C Compiler for VMS
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:19:00 GMT
Organization: New York University


 You might want to ask your salesdroid when DEC C will be available
From: critz@star.enet.dec.com (Richard Critz)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: VAX 7000-6xx series
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:40:34 GMT
Reply-To: critz@star.enet.dec.com (Richard Critz)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua, NH


In article <19AUG199206494175@bestsd.sdsu.edu>, mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.) writes:
|>In article <1992Aug18.235422.3013@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com>, marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes...
|>>We are in the process of adding another system to our cluster, and we
|>>had decided that a VAX 6000-610 was appropriate for our requirements. We
|>>got a quote from Digital, and just before we went forward with the 
|>>paperwork our sales rep came along and told me "look, I can get you
|>>a VAX 7000-610 instead for even less money!". I know very little about
|>
|>What about the idea of holding off until a comparable Alpha machine is 
|>available? Consider also the effects of Alpha on the pricing of the entire 
|>VAX line, including the VMS licensing.
|>

That's not really an option since he specifically wants to add it to his
cluster.  OpenVMS Alpha V1.0 does not support clusters.  Cluster support
is currently scheduled to be phased in over multiple releases.  If he
needs the power now, he should buy the VAX.
--
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      -- I speak only for myself; I make no commitments for Digital. --
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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: XMAC104@EMail.Mot.Com (Randy McGee)
Subject: Re: Help with local command for c link
Organization: Motorola Inc.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:36:37 GMT

In article <sjs.714254270@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu>, sjs@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu (Steve J. Schmidhauser) writes:
> 
> I am having problems trying to create a local command so that the c
> linker will use the shared libraries. We used to use a batch link inside
> a captive account. I am trying to give students more access to dcl but
> would like the link command to default to the shared libraries to save
> disk space. This is what I tried to do and the results:
> 
> $ lin*k    :== $LINK/NOMAP 'P1'  , DISK$UTIL:[MACRO]OPTIONS_FILE/OPT
> (from login.com for c students) and this is what happens
> 
> $ link perf4
> %CLI-F-SYNTAX, error parsing 'TRACE'
> -CLI-E-ENTNF, specified entity not found in command tables

You can only use parameter substitution in command procedures. Try defining
your symbol as:

   LIN*K == "@DISK$UTIL:[MACRO]LINK"

Then create the file DISK$UTIL:[MACRO]LINK.COM with the following contents:

   $ LINK/NOMAP 'P1', DISK$UTIL:[MACRO]OPTIONS_FILE/OPTIONS

This should do what you want.

The reason you received the CLI-F-SYNTAX error is the dollar sign caused DCL to
invoked the linker using the foriegn command mechanism. When this happens, DCL
does no further parsing of the command line and simply passes the command
string to the image using the foriegn command interface. When the linker does
the callback to DCL to fetch the command arguments you get the CLI SYNTAX
error.

Randy McGee (XMAC104@EMail.Mot.Com)
Motorola Inc.
From: PGMOGUSH%TAYLORU@UICVM.UIC.EDU (Peggy Mogush)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Information on COMPUSERV and PRODIGY
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:04:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Art Gonzalez  (artg@laguna.epcc.edu) wrote:

>One of our users would like to get some information about COMPUSERV and
>PRODIGY.  Basically, she would like to access BITNET/INTERNET using one
>of those two services but some pertinent information is missing.  She'd

I just posted a similar question about a week ago (I should have posted a
summary by now - sorry, my neglect.)

As for Prodigy, all the answers came back as, "ya caint get thar from here"...
and apparently it is quite a hot topic in netland - seems as if my innocent
question opened a couple of cans of worms! (Thanks to all who responded by the
way.) Seems Prodigy has no gateway to Internet even though they have been
approached about it. You can only e-mail to other Prodigy users.

So it seems as Compuserve is the way to go for her. (Sorry I don't have any
more info for you on Compuserve but I'm sure others will be able to supply!)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Peggy Mogush                             bitnet: PGMOGUSH@TAYLORU
System Manager                           500 West Reade Avenue
Taylor University                        Upland, Indiana 46989-1001
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From: CARLSONK@CRL.AECL.CA ("Ken Carlson, AECL Research, X3664")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: need utility to delete VMS NEWMAIL FOLDER messages
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:41:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

In a previous article, CC4::ROIHAR wrote:
>I need to delete NEWMAIL folder messages which contain a certain
>string (i.e. mail from unwanted source or containing certain subject
>keywords). Anyone know of a utility that will let me do this???
>Please respond directly to roihar@crl.aecl.ca   ...

You can write DCL .com:
******
$mail
sel/new/sub=what-ever
del/all
******
if what-ever contains spaces then use "text to search for"

...Ken Carlson
 
Ken Carlson AECL-Research  carlsonk@crl.aecl.ca
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: VMS-Sun connectivity
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:24:10 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.vms
Organization: msus

In article <1140@racerx.bridge.COM>, ken@Bridge.COM (Ken Hardy) wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm trying to bridge the huge void between our SunOS and VMS users.
> 
> We've got (I'm told) Multinet TCP/IP on one of the Vaxen that lets us
> rlogin and ftp between environments, and an NFS server on the Vax that
> lets us mount VMS directories on the Suns ("VMS to Ultrix Connection"
> software).

	You already have the solution:  Multinet.
	IMHO - Forget VMS to Ultrix Connection and stick to Multinet's
	TCP/IP which works very, very well.

> What I don't know how to do is to get e-mail and news between
> environments; it's not included in the TCP/IP networking package.  The
> vaxes are running VMS mail or whatever it is that comes by default
> (*not* All-in-One).  The Suns, of course, consume and generate
> RFC822-compliant mail, and use SMTP.
> 

	Multinet does include a fair internet EMail package called MM.
	If you want a somewhat more robust package, try PMF but that
	will cost you $.  

> ALSO, we're looking at ways of getting Unix, VMS, and DOS users to
> share the same filesystem for source code archives.  We're not settled
> on just which filesystem (Unix, Netware, or VMS) they will share yet.

	While not exactly what you are asking for, NFS (again, Multinet
	on VMS) works very well, is easy to install, maintain and configure.
	Yes, it works!  We've used it as VMS <-> Ultrix, Unix, AIX, AUX
	and Macintosh.  DOS soon.  SUN?  If it complies well enough to handle
	the above, SUN is no sweat.

 john stafford   winona state university academic computing systems
From: terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: HSC disk performance Vs. 6000-320>KDB50 disk perf.
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:22:00 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <17AUG199212052678@bestsd.sdsu.edu>, mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.) writes:
> I am wondering about the performance difference of running the drives off 
> the KDB50's vs. running them off of our current config. - the HSC70. The 
> drives are RA90's. Thanks ...

  Can the 6320 support the KDM70 controller? If it can, that's a better board
to use. If it can't, you might consider keeping the HSC70 until you upgrade
your CPU to a newer model that can support the KDM70.

  On the other hand, DEC is making the small form factor drives (5.25") avail-
able in storage cabinets and may have something coming out that you'd like.
Contact your sales rep for mor info.

  Lastly, if you plan on growing your system by clustering another CPU, you
might want to keep the HSC, possibly upgrading it to an HSC90 (maybe with
cache).

	Terry Kennedy		Operations Manager, Academic Computing
	terry@spcvxa.bitnet	St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
	terry@spcvxa.spc.edu	+1 201 915 9381
From: dongray@cdclu1.genrad.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Is there a ntp client for UCX?
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:04:44 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

>> Does someone know if there is somewhere a ntp (the internet network time protocol) client for VMS? I need to get a reliable time source for my DTS
>> server. On my unix machines I use ntp to synchronize the time. It seems the most ideal way to get the right time for my VMS system would be to have a ntp client running on that system..
[...]
> I've been looking at doing similar things here, and the only safe scheme I've
> come up with so far is to:
>
> o	run Wollongong's NTP client on one host
>
> o	run DECdns elsewhere
>
> o	run a time provider interface on the DECdns servers, which uses
> 	the NTP client host as its external time provider (via DECnet).
[...]
> Mark H. Wood, Lead Analyst/Programmer    +1 317 274 0749   [@disclaimer@]
> Internet:  IMHW400@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU     BITNET:  IMHW400@INDYVAX

Wouldn't it be simpler just to write a time provider which acted as an NTP
client? Or am I missing something? I'm never used NTP, but have written a time
provider based on the examples given which makes an X.25 call to get the time.
It's not very accurate, but it prevents the clock drift I observed when I had
several time servers, none of which had any external time provider. I did
consider writing an 'external' time provider to access the TOY clock, since I'm
told this is more accurate than the system clock :-)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Name : Derek Dongray, Systems Manager, GenRad Ltd.
Phone : 061 486 1511 ext 166
PSS : 234261600119::Dongray                 UKnet : Derek.Dongray@GenRad.co.uk
InterNet : Dongray@cdclu1.GenRad.com        CompuServe : 70374,2745
Address : Monmouth House, Monmouth Road, Cheadle Hulme, Cheshire, SK8 7AY, UK.

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Robin, Girl Wonder)
Subject: help needed with directory problem
Reply-To: rgoldstone@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:40:42 GMT

I have a user who currently cannot receive any mail.  The error message
when PMDF tries to send mail to the user's account is:
-RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed
-SYSTEM-W-DIRALLOC, allocation failure on directory file

His mail directory has 560 files in it.  What do I need to do to fix this?
I tried creating a new directory and copying his mail files to it (via COPY
and via BACKUP).  Both of these attempts failed, giving the same error as above
on the new directory. 

Sorry if this is a RTFM question.  I am out of town and just dialed in to 
check on the VAX and found this error.  My FM's are not handy.  8-)

-Robin
***********************************************************************
Robin Goldstone, Systems Software Specialist
California State University, Chico  Computing Services
rgoldstone@oavax.csuchico.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man...)
Subject: Re: VAX 7000-6xx series
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:04:00 GMT

In article <61050045@acf3.NYU.EDU>, tihor@acf3.NYU.EDU (Stephen Tihor) writes...
>The 7000 is at least board upgradable and you can and should lock down
>the price.  Other issues do apply though.

Like what other issues...? Are you implying that you know something you can't
say here, becuase of non-disclosure agreements or some such?


Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
> * OLX 2.1 * ease!Trim!eeeaaaassse!trimtrimTRIMeeeeeeeaaaaaasse!trimea
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: dwight@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu (Dwight D. Moore)
Subject: Re: Will lmf kill alpha?
Reply-To: dwight@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu
Organization: Geosciences Computing Network, Univ. of Oklahoma
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:36:05 GMT

In article <0A0EFD66E33FC0A389@sb.hhs.dk>, ARNE@ko.hhs.dk (Arne Vajhxj) writes:
|>
|>Well most people do agree, that LMF is a big clumsy program for doing a very
|>simple task. It is an irritating moment of being a system-manager on a site
|>with DEC equipment.
|>
|>But it is still a MINOR problem. I have never heard of anyone not choosing
|>DEC hardware, just because of LMF. That would be absurd !
|>
|>So I do not think LMF will harm ALPHA.
|>
|>Now we talk about LMF, what about an interface where you write SMARTLMF at
|>the DCL-prompt and get into a scroll-window showing all the licenses in
|>a one line record (product,license-name,status,nodes). You move up and down
|>with  the arrows and F17 is enable, F18 is disable, etc. etc. - DO enters a new
|>menus where you can edit the all the individual fields in that particular
|>license ?
|>
|>Do it sound like a good idea ?
|
|>Arne Vajhxj                             local DECNET:  KO::ARNE
|
I second that, and it is a good idea. It is a very small price to pay for relatively
free (
ok, really low cost for the CSLG license).  And as someone said earlier, if that is
the
basis of your decision, you have more problems that the lmf.  By the way, the is a
larger
effort among major companies (HP, DEC, IBM, etc) to get a product license management
system (a standard for something like a license server and product licenses) for
doing just 
this type of task.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dwight D. Moore
Geosciences Computing Network
University of Oklahoma

dwight@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu (129.15.40.10)
These opinions do not necessarily represent the opinions of OU or the GCN.
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From: gleeve@galaxy.dnet
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: VFE
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:12:43 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

To use VFE in write mode the help file states you say
$ vfe filespec/WRITE

The doc states that you can handle disk files or foreign mounted disks
can be handled this way. This is from the VFE V3 doc, which appeared 
in, I think, fall 1987 (possibly spring '88). VFE also allows
record oriented editing of any RMS filetype, adding/deleting
records and so forth in V3...quite a powerful package. Ward Condit,
the author, deserves credit...
Glenn
Everhart@Raxco.com

Newsgroups: comp.os.misc
From: mnash@IDA.ORG (Mike Nash)
Subject: UniData
Organization: IDA, Alexandria, VA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 20:06:42 GMT

A colleague of mine is looking for information about the UniData DBMS.  If you
care to comment positively or negatively based on experience with the product or
the company, please e-mail.

TIA.

-- 
	  Mike Nash     |  My object all sublime, I shall achieve in time,
	  mnash@ida.org |  To let the punishment fit the crime,
	                |  The punishment fit the crime.
From: werts@ernie.acs.csulb.edu (Michael Werts)
Newsgroups: comp.os.misc
Subject: Memory Protection
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:22:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: beach.BszEtE.72C
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

I'm not sure this isn't a dumb question, but how does Memory Protection
work?

I hear it mentioned often with regards to both hardware and operating
systems. The operating systems books I've looked in (for example Dietel)
don't make any explicit mention of Memory protection. They talk a great
deal about Virtual Memory, which I imagine is closely related. They also
make some mention of separate processes having separate address spaces,
but they don't explain the mechanism.

Pointers to literature would be most appreciated.

Thanks,

-- Mike
(werts@csulb.edu)