HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: MD and DCC
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:03:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.154959.4372@news.nd.edu> fdeck@grumpy.helios.nd.edu  
(francis deck) writes:
> Also, are there vendors of the
> blank MD and DCC media, and what are the prices?
> 
Sorry I put this in a separate post, I just looked up the entries in the  
1992 Audio Equipment Directory.

As of the printing of the directory, there are blank DCC tapes available  
from 5 manufacturers, ranging between $7 and $10 list for a D-90.

There are 13 manufacturers of blank DAT tapes, with a range of $10 and $20  
for a R-90.

There are 17 manufacturers of blank CC tapes, with a range of $2.99 to  
$18.99 for a C-90, Type IV.


These are all list prices, and discounts will vary. I typically pay  
between $8 and $9 for D-90 DAT tapes.

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From: deanaj@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (A. J. Dean)
Subject: Re: DCC, MD Limitations
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:45:53 GMT

Brian T Cheek (bc2y+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
: What would happen if you recorded a whisper + loud electric guitar sound
: on either MD or DCC.  The whisper would be dropped, correct?
: 
: So what happens if you phase out that loud electric guitar, and record
: it to another recording?
: 
: You'd get blank space.

Yep. But remember the original sound has been processed for your _ears_ (and
your head) so there is no reason why all these old linear tricks should work
any more. It's like using RGB on tvs and computer monitors to recreate the
original scene and all its spectral content. It doesn't - the only reason it
looks the same (well, vaguely...) is because our (human) eyes sense these
colours. Trying to 'phase out' light from a HeNe laser beam would be a tad
difficult!

Antony.
PS: your ears are capable of sensing a lot of what DCC chops out. It's your
brain which throws most of it in the trash. Perhaps Philips should have
included an upgrade capability in their standard to keep up with
evolution...
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From: robert@odysey.cray.com (Robert Larsen (Cray Research (UK) Ltd))
Subject: Difference between Sony TAE-1000ES and TAE-2000ES
Reply-To: robert@odysey.cray.com (Robert Larsen (Cray Research (UK) Ltd))
Organization: Cray Research (UK) Ltd
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:11:55 CST


Well, as the subject heading says, what's the difference between the Sony
TAE-1000ES and the Sony TAE-2000ES.  Presumably, as with the 1000, the 2000
is a Pro Logic pre-amp (or maybe it's an amp now?).  I'm interested because
I considered the 1000ES this summer, but opted for the Yamaha DSP-A1000
instead.

Any comments appreciated.....
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From: mruddick@joule.elee.calpoly.edu (Michael Ruddick)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Dolby B/C dubbing on Dual Decks
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:45:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: zeus.1992Nov05.044527.132625
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo

If you do have a deck that can encode a new Dolby standard onto an existing
tape, i.e. you record a Dolby B tape with the Dolby C switch on, you may get
some weird results.  My neighbor has a decl that allows you to enable Dolby
while recording.  I took a Dolby B recorded tape, hit teh Dolby C switch to
'on', and then let it go.  What came out was a tape that sounded like it
was being played back through a non-Dolby deck, even though the DOlby C switch
was on.  This resulted because Dolby C worked on the tape that had DOlby B
on it already...it preserved all of that uppper end noise that Dolby creates
and is later taken off when decoded...  The problem will only occur if you
don't have two separate DOlby switches.

If you wanted to, you could decode a Dolby B encoded tape in one deck, and
record it with Dolby C on the second deck.  The deck I was playing with would
not allow this.  I guess it was set up to allow you to make a Dolby copy of a
tape that did not already have Dolby on it.  
 
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo)
Subject: Re: Defeating SCMS
Organization: Unit 36 Research
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:10:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.153209.13425@bilver.uucp> bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) writes:
>>In article <1dkkpiINNgua@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jwk3@po.CWRU.Edu (John W.  
>>Kale) writes:
>>> 	Do DAT decks place SCMS codes on recordings made from the
>>> analog inputs?
>>Nope.
>Wrong answer.  They do place an SCMS code on things made from analog.

	Wait a minute.  If I copy a CD onto DAT analogue out to in, how
is it that a SCMS code is written to the DAT?  Surely you aren't saying that
the code is written via the analogue ins.  This would mean that a pulse of
analogue encoded data is sent into the machine to tell it to write SCMS.
You would hear it.  Perhaps what you mean is that whenever you record at
44.1kHz that the DAT recorder itself writes the SCMS code onto the media.
Now, I thought that the SCMS standard was only for digital 44.1kHz recordings.
As an example, if I record some original music in my studio onto a consumer
DAT machine via analogue in's at 44.1kHz, you are saying that SCMS will be
written?  This would be weird to me.

brett maraldo
plexus productions


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Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.multimedia
From: c0031099@ws.rz.tu-bs.de (Eckhard Diezel)
Subject: Re: Interface Digital Audio <---> Computer ???
Organization: Technische Universitaet Braunschweig, Deutschland
	<BxHFx7.KFp@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <1dokdsINNjln@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:23:49 GMT

Any AES/EBU-input should be able to read S/P-DIF signals (most do so even
without electrical adaption - just connect them and it works) If not you need
a device with a coax input (200-500mV) and a RS422-type output. You need a 
RS422 to coax adaptor for AES/EBU to S/P-DIF connection (some claim this also
works by just connecting them - I have never tried it). If you only have
optical interfaces you need an adaptor anyway - but the protocoll need not
be changed.
Ecki
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Impedance matching components
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:39:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.173554.6953@seas.gwu.edu> phamtom@seas.gwu.edu (Dzung L. Pham) writes:

>I have a question on the impedance matching of audio components.  In most
>applications, in order to provide maximum power transfer and minimize
>reflections, the output impedance of a component should equal the input
>impedance of the device receving the signal.  However, it seems in audio
>that you just need to have the output impedance much lower than the input
>impedance.  What is the rationale for this ?

One is that you usually need to distribute the connections (source) to
many differnt areas.    The term 'bridging' comes to mind.

You can take a low-z source and feed many many hi-z sources
simultaneously.  In the studio we would drive up to 4 tape recorders
simultaneously, or take a signal and route it through several different
pieces of processing equipment.    

If you matched the impedance you could connect just one item.


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From: rgonzal@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ralph Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: MD and DCC
Date: 7 Nov 92 22:13:24 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Mind if I slip into this thread?

I sure hope that DCC dies a horrible death and MD survives. MD has the
advantage of reliability and fast access. DCC's only advantage is that
of compatibility with an old standard.

Does anyone know how flexible the MD standard is? Does the code on 
a recording tell how much compression is used so that it is decoded
properly? It would be nice if this were so, since then high-end 
recordings could be done with little compression, but released on
multiple disks to make up for the extra data. Even better would be
if the standard somehow allowed for improvements in technology where
eventually the data in a CD could eventually be squeezed into an MD
without compression. Thus, future MD players could play high-end
recordings but still be compatible with older MD recordings.

Maybe I'm dreaming...

Regards,
Ralph

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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:39:43 EST
From: Ryan Scott <RSCOTT@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Help w/ Subwoofers

Although I am a proud owner of a set of Infinity Reference 5's, I will refrain
from elaborating on their amazing value and performance.

Anyway, I really need help beacuse I want to build one large servo-amp type sub
-woofer.  The only problem is I have no idea where to even start with plans or
drivers or crossovers, etc.  If you have any clue how to help me with books or
your own expertise, please E-mail me back.

Thanks

 _____________________________Ryan A. Scott__________________________________
                           American University

                             (202) 885-7834
From: grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Pro Logic Center channel speakers
Keywords: pro logic
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:00:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: bit.473
Reply-To: grego@bit.UUCP (Grego Sanguinetti)
Organization: BIT  Portland, OR

In article <lg00njINNqj8@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> chakng@amberwood.Eng.Sun.COM (Chakchung Ng) writes:
>I have been seeing a lot of discussion of adding a center channel speaker to
>an existing system but not a post (I might missed them) about using the
>existing system. The existing system here is the TV set it self. Most TV come
>with their own speakers and would like to hear opinions about using those
>speakers as center channel speakers.

I did that originally but had some problems. What I have is a Zenith System
3 "digital" Monitor/TV. It has external audio input jacks. I used those to
route the center channel back to the TV. The speakers in the TV are ok but
not great. The real problem was that the signal level coming to the TV was
too weak. The other channels are feeding big amps and the TV amp is tiny.
I had to turn the TV amp WAY up. When I did this I got lots of noise from
the TV amp. It is not isolated well enough from the flyback coil,etc... and
picks up lots of HF and RF interference.

It just turned out that it was easy to hook up another amp and speakers and
it sounded better.
-grego
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From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: denon vs sony
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:50:37 GMT
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Distribution: rec
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

>JJ>It'all a matter of personal taste. Both Sony and Denon make fine sound
Huh.  I guess there are two "jj"'s out there.

To the other one, be warned, this jj has a sad reputation as
expecting truth in adverising and in technical claims, and
you may find your debate mistaken.

Having said that...
	good luck
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: wiseman@tellabs.com (Jeff Wiseman)
Subject: Re: Alternate to Rotel 955!
Organization: Tellabs, Lisle,IL
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:26:41 GMT

In article <BxGGsp.Lu1@ssesco.com> nau@ssesco.com (William Nau) writes:
>I'm kind of in the market for mid-line CD player.  Let's say around $400.
>The less money the better of course.  I always hear about the Rotel 955.
  <<stuff deleted>>
>I really want to look at what else is available.  BTW the only frills that
>I want are a remote control (spoiled I know) and a variable headphone
>jack (my preamp doesn't have one).

You might want to have a look at the Adcom  G??-565. It has a remote, variable
headphone jack and from what some of my freinds say it sounds almost as good as
the Rotel. With the differenc in sound being so slight and the prices so
similar, I purchased an Adcom because of the headphone capability and the Sony
transport (the Rotel uses a Philips transport).

Note that this does not mean the Sony transport is better. I think that it is a
little slower and maybe more stable INITIALLY but it has a lot more moving
parts to wear out than the philips. Anyway, time will tell.

Hope this helps.

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From: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Infinity Speakers - Any Comments
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:31:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Nov9.223107.6245
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.

In article <1992Nov9.030822.30189@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> ptb2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER TALAN BERGEN) writes:
>    Has anyone out there had any experience with Infinity Speakers.  I have a
>    set and the tweeters are sh*t.  I've blown three in 2 years and Infinity
>    gives me the run around with warrenty service....  Has anyone
>    else had any trouble with Infinity speakers or their service department.
>    And for the rest of you looking for speakers, DO NOT BUY INFINITY!!!!!!

I could be wrong, but I think Infinity may well have the greatest range
of speakers available.  I think you can get Infinity brand speakers in
the $150/pr range, and I know you can spend $60,000 on a set.  There is
a WORLD of difference between the cheaper ones, and the better stuff
(which is $2K and UP a set).

I got my Infinity RS-2.5's about 8 years ago, used.  Someone had managed
to blow all 4 EMIN's and 3 of the EMIT's.  Infinity quickly sent me
free replacements.  Never had a problem with them since, but I only
have 400 WPC available.  :-)  

I have seen some of the cheaper SM series, and not been impressed
with their quality, as well as the RSX000 stuff which again is
mid-fi stuff.  The better speakers, Kappa series and up is fine,
expensive, heavy and very accurate.  The IRS is outstanding, as 
it should be, priced with modest houses!

BTW - if the first poster blew THREE tweeters, I might wonder about
improper operation.  Most speaker makers will not replace blown
warranty replacement drivers.  


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From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: DIY Cutting holes for woofers
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:51:42 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <BxAuC8.BB7@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> wakeland@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (ray s wakeland) writes:
>I am looking for advice on cutting a 7.375 inch hole in 3/4 inch MDF.  
>DIYourselfers--how do you normally do this?  Do you have to cut it out 
>by hand with a jigsaw, or is there some way to drill a hole this size?

Constantine and Sons (a wordworking supply house on Eastchester Road
in Bronx, NY) sells a hole cutter that fits into a standard power
drill.  It'll cut holes larger than fifteen inches.  Call and ask for
their wonderful catalog.

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moskowit@panix.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: blkhawk@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (thomas.m.gerrish)
Subject: Re: Boston high-end dealers
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: bl
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:48:07 GMT

Audio Vision has been BY FAR the BEST high end dealer in the Boston
(northeast) area!! I have dealt with them for several years and have
found them to be honest, knowledgeable, and reliable. Last Year I 
bought a pair of Krell MDA-500s, and after a day or two my left amp
did a "smoke show" (protector circuitry went south); I called Audio
Vision and they came to my house with a loaner KSA-250, took back
my two amps and within two days had a replacement set for me. That is
why I continue to do business with these guys!!

Tom Gerrish
From: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: How 'bout a new group for the rest of us?
Date: 12 Nov 92 06:47:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov12.064736.21410
Reply-To: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Nov12.003105.69226@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> ptb2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER TALAN BERGEN) writes:
>
>I could not agree with you more, I am f**cking sick and tired of listening to
>people ask questions whether they should a stereo for $10,000 or $13,000.  I
>am personally a little offended that someone would spend that much money on a
>stereo when there are so many bigger problems today.  We definitely need a
>college audio board.

What is your reasoning here?  You're offended that people would spend that
much money on a stereo when there are "bigger problems" today?  Huh?  People
spend money on all sorts of things...cars, big homes, college educations,
clothing, etc.  You'll find very few people in this world who are willing
to forsake pleasures until all the world's problems are solved.

By your reckoning, what should we do?  All buy Yorx stereo systems, Hyndais
and Yugos, move to efficiency flats, and drop our remaining money into the
collection plate?  As stereo systems go, $10K will buy a good, though not
excellent system, and one's buying such a system does not preclude one from
*also* addressing the world's "bigger problems."  Thank you very much.


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From: tbs@prcrs.prc.com (Tim Sheehy)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: CD player
Keywords: Magnavox CDB 614
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:19:18 GMT
Distribution: dc
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

I will consider trading the CD player for good quality speakers stands and
stereo rack.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: Siddharth.Soni@launchpad.unc.edu (Siddharth Soni)
Subject: Cheap type II tapes
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:15:21 GMT

Is there is big differencw b/w various type II tapes?

I saw fuji and scotch type II tapes priced at 6 for $9, where
maxell xlii(S) were 7 for $20...pretty significant for difference for tapes that are are in the same classification....

What could the differences be?
ssoni@csnext.colgate.edu


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From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:25:23 GMT
Subject: Cable Design Proposal
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.audio

WHAT IF.....I took a cable that was 50 Ohms at one end and tapered it to
say 300 Ohms at the other end say 1 meter away.  I then put gold plated,
RCA connectors on it and tell the user to plug the 50 Ohm end into their
preamp and to plug the 300 Ohm end into their amp making sure not to mix
this up.  Me thinks that the preamp will deliver just a we bit more
voltage to the amp with this strange cable and any reflections will be
absorbed due to the low impedance upon return.  I've been told this sort
of cable exists in the data-com world.

My guess is that SNR will be unchanged, but a well trained ear will say
"this cable sounds better than regular cable".  If so, I think it is
because the head owning the well trained ear didn't match the levels -
maybe because their preamp has a detented volume knob and can't level
match this well.

Any truth?  Is this possible?  I was trying to design "polar wire" and this
was the only thing I could come up with with this mental game.

Believe me, I'm serious.
Kirk out
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From: faiman@cs.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: Are Record Club CD's The Same Quality?
Organization: Dept. of Computer Sci - University of Illinois
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:37:06 GMT


I have about 1000 CDs, and I suppose a few hundred of these must have come
from a club -- BMG and the Philips Mozart Edition.  I have had no trouble
with any of them.  I would expect that one company's equipment for pressing
the dots into the masters would be pretty much the same as another's.

 -- Mike Faiman, Urbana		faiman@cs.uiuc.edu

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Xref: sparky rec.audio:14914 dc.forsale:2752 misc.forsale:30876
From: tbs@prcrs.prc.com (Tim Sheehy)
Newsgroups: rec.audio,dc.forsale,misc.forsale
Subject: CD player
Keywords: Magnavox CDB 614
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:51:22 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: dc
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

I've got a Magnavox CDB 614 8-bit single player for sale.  
It's essentially a Phillips player.  Paid $300.  It's about
one year old and in excellent condition with original packing
and manual.  Remote and cables included.  $150 firm.  If
interested, please respond via E-mail or lv. message anytime
(703) 787-7513. 
Xref: sparky rec.audio:14763 rec.audio.pro:2233 comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard:3580 comp.multimedia:3292
From: luitz@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Steffen Luitz [RHRK])
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.multimedia
Subject: Interface Digital Audio <---> Computer ???
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:44:23 GMT
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany





Hello,

what about an interface digital audio (DAT, CD optical or coax) to 
a computer system (perhaps SCSI or a PC-board  or ...) ?
Nooo, I don't want to make my backups with my DAT recorder, but it
would be very interesting to edit my recordings in some way with 
the computer and the most obvious way seems to copy data from DAT
recorder to the computer, do the cutting, filtering ... and copy
everything back to a DAT tape.


Does such a beast exist ?
Are the specs of the digital audio interface available ? 
(If so, I could try to develop such an interface)
Any other solutions ?

Thanks for any hints

Steffen