HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: LX DX Comparison
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:09:22 GMT

A10377@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Michael Duke) writes:
>It also means that he has had actual experience with LX. Claiming that
>LX is less durable than DX is speculation. Only time will tell. As far
>as dismissing LX because it is painted - big deal. Is the quality or
>performance of your frame lessened because it is painted and might
>chip if ridden hard? Of course, if you have a DX bike then that's a
>strong incentive to defend it (and apparently criticize LX).

The article he quoted from MBA said they did not expect LX to be very durable.
I'm not about to spend $800+ for a bike with painted components.  The differenc
between My owning a DX bike that I purchased yesterday and his ownership of an
LX bike is that I recently made the decision to buy a DX bike even though I
could have bought an LX bike.  I've ridden several LX bikes and was not
impressed with anything but the (painted) brakes.  The Dia-Compes on my MB-3
are just as good and are chrome.
-Terry
-- 
-Terry
From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Selle Italia Flite saddle
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:03:06 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.tech
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <1460071@hplred.HPL.HP.COM>, jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst
Brandt) wrote:
> 
> The Selle Italia Flite saddle is a rebirth of the swallow saddle of
> old.  You can find pictures of it in patent literature and old
> catalogs.  The swallow never got wide acceptance for the same
> reasons that the Flite and its derivatives will most likely fade
> away.  The Flite bottoms easily on the seat post and, as previous
> titanium products, has a tendency to break.

Sorry, Jobst, but as you once said to me, it won't wash.  You have no
evidence that the Flite "has a tendency to break"; you have only a
scattering of reports from the Net.  Furthermore, you have perhaps made the
Flite bottom on the seat post, but you have not made the same test on
significant numbers of other saddles.  There is no science here, and no
engineering; only smoke.

> The principal savings
> in weight is that it has no cheeks.  The cheeks of a saddle are not
> there as a styling whim but serve a purpose during various bicycling
> maneuvers.  Rearward thrust is caught by the back of the leg against
> the curvature of the cheek and when climbing steeply on poor
> traction, the legs steady the bike laterally against the cheeks
> while the rider rises slightly above the saddle.

More smoke.  Are you really trying to tell us that the bike is kept upright
by the rider pushing on the side of the seat with the back of his leg??????
 Really, Jobst.

--

David Casseres
Exclaimer: Hey!
From: twjm8@isuvax.iastate.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Groupsets suck!!
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:32:50 GMT
Reply-To: twjm8@isuvax.iastate.edu
Distribution: rec
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa

>In article <1993Jan14.212152.21190@Happy-Man.com> Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com writes:
>
>O.K., here's a naive question:
>
>What is the interchangeability of hubs and cassettes?  Is there any
>compatability between, say, Shimano <-> Suntour, or even Shimano <->
>Campy?  I haven't really checked these out, since I have early
>Cretaceous technology on my road bike.  Now that I'm planning to bite
>the bullet and convert to an indexing system, I'm interested.
>
>I'm talking only about the mating of the cassette to the hub.  I
>understand the issues with the indexing not matching between brands,
>and the rear dropouts spacing issues.
>
>Jim

On a similar vein, how about freewheels?  Would a Shimano freewheel and 
a Suntour freewheel be interchangeable?  (I'm thinking mountain bikes here,
fairly new components, i.e. XC Pro and XT or DX)

Dave
From: amc@crash.wpd.sgi.com (Allan McNaughton)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: LX DX XT XTR Confusion
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:56:31 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Mountain View, CA
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Shimano groups in order of quality...

1992: LX, DX, XT, XTR
1993: DX, XT, LX, XTR  (bet i'll get flamed for this one...)

The 1993 LX group uses many design tricks they learned when building the 
XTR line.  Not as well finished or durable as XTR.  MBA likes it, I like
it on my bike...

In article <1jjg2eINNpre@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ce011@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Scott Erdman) writes:
|> 
|> According to my friend who is a mountain biking enthuiast:
|> 
|> The components are ranked from lowest to hightest :
|> 
|> DX, LX, XT, XTR
|> 
|> 
|> That's about all I know at this point.
|> 
|> 
|> Scott
|> -- 
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From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: Re: Tandem crossover rings.
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:03:27 GMT

In article <C19CDM.M1p@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk>
ccsdhd@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (Dennis Davis) writes:
 
>
>There is one esoteric case where this might make a difference.
>That is on tandems fitted with a crossover chainset.  A suitable
>choice of crossover rings can ensure that the chain gradually moves
>around the rings.  As you often have a limited choice in the number
>of links in the chain, a good bet is to have crossover rings with a
>prime number of teeth.  It took me a long time before I realised
>why my secondhand tandem came equipped with crossover rings of 43
>teeth.  It seemed such a peculiar choice.  Other good choices would
>include 37, 41, 47 and 53.
>
>The only case where this falls down is if the number of links on
>the chain is an exact multiple of the teeth on the chainrings.
>This is shown neatly in Eric's table:
>
If I remember my group theory correctly (let's hear
it for an application of abstract mathematics to
bicycling!) Lagrange's theorem tells us that we simply
need the two numbers to be relatively prime.  While one
being prime makes this more likely, it--as you note--
does not guarentee it.
 
..Richard E+17
 
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From: jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore)
Subject: Re: Dura Ace or 600?
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 23:12:43 GMT

GE.DWS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Drew W. Saunders) writes:


>The DA cranks are very well finished too, and, at 200 lbs, cracking
>cranks isn't an impossibility for me.  You get more length choices
>w/ DA too (like 167.5mm and 180mm which Ultegra doesn't offer).

Don't know about 180mm, but I have Ultegra 167.5 cranks on 2
different bikes. I bought one of the bikes last year equipped
with the Ultegra 8speed STI groupo, so this is recent.

Jim "My legs are so short they barely reach the ground" Moore
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From: doug@shako.Colorado.EDU (Doug McKnight)
Subject: XC-PRO shifting. Suggestions sought.
Reply-To: doug@shako.Colorado.EDU (Doug McKnight)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:21:09 GMT


Hi. My suntour XC-Pro equipped mountain bike  suffers from 
(in my opinion) rather poor shifting. 

Specifically the "best" adjustment of the cable barrel adjuster still
makes shifting into the smallest two cogs slow and sometimes even incomplete,
the chain slips in a half-shifted position. Shifting into the largest two
cogs is also slow and occasionally incomplete (requiring overshifting).

It is almost as if the cluster spacing isn't optimal for the shifting 
distance of the mech. My "best" adjustment optimises shifting for the 
middle of the range.

The cluster is a 13-28 suntour winner pro which the shop assures me is
correctly matched with the shifter. I don't know what the chain is. It is
original MB-1 equipment and again, i am assured by the shop that it's 
fine for the suntour transmission. 

What is peoples experience of this group? Is there a chain which is known
to work well with it? 

All comments appreciated---except those saying "buy XTR".

Douglas
From: chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Shimano and SunTour freehubs
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:55:17 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
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Jobst Brandt writes:
>Mark Chandler writes:
>> SunTour is coming out with evenly spaced cogsets.  I assume that
>> they'll be changing their shift levers accordingly.
>
>I don't believe there will be any change because looking at the
>control plate in the shift lever, I see uniformly spaced holes.
>.....
>The sprocket spacing of all but the smallest sprocket is uniform
>anyway other than normal tolerances on the order of less than 0.1 mm.

I meassured the spacing in several cassettes and freewheels.  The spacing
between Shimano and Suntour varys by up to 0.4mm (19%) - enough to 
significantly degrade shifting.

Shimano DuraAce 8 speed cassette: 3.0mm
Shimano Ultegra 8 speed cassette: 3.0mm
Shimano Deore 7 speed cassette: 3.2mm 
DuraAce 7 speed freewheel: 3.1mm
Suntour Superbe Pro freewheel:
    24-21  2.64mm 
    21-19  2.69
    19-17  2.84
    17-15  2.84
    15-14  3.10
    14-13  3.10
 So the spacing gets smaller as the cogs get larger.

Does anyone know/recall what Campy cassette spacing is?

The cogs themselves vary slightly in thickness, but it's less significant.

Regina freewheels also have variable spacing, but I haven't measured it.

Jobst Brandt writes:
>I have been using SunTour New Winner Pro freewheels with both
>Shimano and SunTour derailleurs with no difficulty. 

This works if you're not too picky about shifting quality.
--
Chris Moll                       (510)486-7891
---
A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature
replaces it with.        -- Tenessee Williams
From: jskaggs@slate.mines.colorado.edu (JoJo was a man...)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Crankset weights.
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:08:06 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <1julgmINNep3@caraway.csv.warwick.ac.uk> phuar@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr T Moxey) writes:
>
>	The weights for the shimano cranks are as follows...
>XTR	680g
>XT	730g
>DX	740g
>LX	701g
>
>
>tim
	One thing that should be noted is that, as far as I have been able
to find out, the '93 LX cranks will only be available in 175mm.  This is a
disappointing setback for those of us who are used to spinning 180mm
cranks.  I'm 6'4'' tall, and I find 175mm cranks to be a little on the
smallish side.
	I've been inquiring at dealers for about a month now, and nobody
can get 180mm '93 LX cranks.  Apparently, Shimano isn't making them.  Guess
I will get those Graftons after all.

-Joe Skaggs
 (jskaggs@slate.mines.colorado.edu)


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From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: The Future of the Bike
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:58:34
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
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In-reply-to: pt@geovision.gvc.com's message of Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:48:45 GMT

In article <C19o5A.40H@geovision.gvc.com> pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin) writes:

   slo@otter.hpl.hp.com (Steve Loughran) writes:

   Just show me how to attach an AMRAAM or Phoenix CIWS to my bike, and I'll be
   happy.  ``OC Transpo Bus approaching from behind on intersect course, engage
   and destroy''

   Glossary for non-sci.miltary readers:
   AMRAAM: Advanced Medium Range Air-Air Missile (currently being field tested
   in Iraq).

Isn't that "Attack Missile, Race Across AMerica"?

   Phoenix CIWS: Close In Weapon System - those things that look like R2D2 on
   the topsides of navy ships.  A 30mm canon firing Depleted Uranium rounds for
   shooting down sea-skimming cruise missiles and other threats at close range.

Use both!  Gives you a choice -- blow it up or pulverize it.
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From: tee@ecf.toronto.edu (TEE LUNS)
Subject: Re: WD-40 To Clean Chains???
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:31:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.155237.1@vax.sonoma.edu> vannuysd@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>In either Bicycling or MBA, I read an article that suggested using WD-40
>to clean your bike chain.  I tried it and really liked the results.  But
>in the current California Bicyclist, there is an article by a mechanic
>who tosses off a warning NOT to use WD-40 without giving any rationale.
>I liked the ease and effectiveness of WD-40.  Anybody know where this guy
>is coming from in warning us off of it?                                        

    I think the concern is that some people seem to believe that WD-40 is a
good chain LUBRICANT, which it isn't. For cleaning chains, its great. For
lubricating, it's pretty worthless.
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From: greg@mobius.viewlogic.com (Gregory Larkin)
Subject: Re: Suspension Questions
Originator: greg@mobius
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:28:26 GMT


In article <102510017@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, richd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Rich Davis) writes:
|> 
|> 
|>   I'm curious to know if anyone has tried riding handle bar suspension,
|>   and might be able to compare/contrast this with fork/frame solutions.
|> 
|> -RC
|>  richd@hpfcmws 

Although I do not any suspension on my MTB, I was recently looking
through some back issues of Velo-News and Lennard Zinn did a review
of about 10 different suspension forks as well as the Allsop suspension
stem.  If I remember correctly, he liked the suspension stem quite a 
bit.  It is lighter than a fork, it has more travel than a fork, and
it did not alter the frame geometry much, if at all.  The only problem
is that it is rather expensive, about $220, I think.

There is also a lower-priced stem that uses urethane bumpers.  I haven't
seen a review of it.  I think it is about $90.

-- 
              Greg Larkin, Software Engineer, Waveform Analysis
                 Viewlogic Systems, Inc.  Marlboro, MA 01752
                            greg@Viewlogic.COM
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From: yschin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Yu-Shin Chin)
Subject: Re: The Future of the Bike
Organization: University of Manitoba, Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:47:15 GMT

In article <C17qto.G35@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, cao@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Christopher Owens) writes:
|> It's just a little thing.  What I want is a
|> little metal loop on the handlebars wide enough
|> for a security cable to go through.  Vandals
|> could still nick your gear changers (this is a
|> mountain bike here) and brake levers, but not
|> the stem and bar, and it'd take about a hundred
|> times longer than undoing the Z-bolt and
|> cutting the cables.  Sound bitter?  Hey, it's a
|> hard world out there, kids.  


No kidding, they'll steal anyting.  Once I locked my bike outside the while taking a shower at the gym.  Half an hour later, someone had come by and stripped the profile handle bar extensions off my mountain bike.  

sam
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From: neilf@delfin.com (Neil Frank)
Subject: Re: Selle Italia Flite saddle
Organization: Delfin Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:33:21 GMT

nasdrock@grebyn.com (NASD - Rockville) writes:
: I missed the discussion also but my Flite had the leather wear away
: where it rubs agains the inside of the thigh and i've seen this on
: other peoples Flites also


The first Flite I owned did the same thing... the leather ripped where my
thighs rub against it.... this happened in less than 3 months... The shop
I bought it from gave me a hassel about returning it, but eventually the
replaced it with another Flite.... Since then I placed a Nucleus Flite saddle
cover over it and I its been fine ever since  (that was about 8-9 months
ago).....


On another note, I have used the saddle over 5-10K miles without problems, 
except for above.... It was even comfortable during the 92' Death Ride... 
Although, I could have done without the rain.... As a note, I weight in at
140lbs which may or may not explain why I have not had much trouble with the
seat.....

-nlf-

-- 
Neil Frank		Delfin Systems		408-748-1200
neilf@delfin.com	Santa Clara, CA.
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From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Locking into Time pedals
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:49:47 GMT

<FDHEIENO@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
>I recently upgraded to '91 Time criterium pedals and racing shoes.  The problem
>is locking into them!  It mabe just me but I'm having a devil of a "time"
>getting a quick lock-in.  Any suggestions??  Oh, the cleats are the newer
>small style.
>Many thanks!
>Dennis Weeks
>dfw@physics.ucf.edu

Spray some tri-flow on the pedal mechanism in the center and buy the new Time
cleats for $10 or so.  The go in and out easier.  Time pedals need some
wearing in also.
-Terry
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-Terry
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From: greg@mobius.viewlogic.com (Gregory Larkin)
Subject: Phil Wood sealed BB in a MTB?
Originator: greg@mobius
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:00:45 GMT


Hi there,

My mountain bike is having some BB problems, so
I would like to replace it with a sealed Phil
Wood BB.  I happen to have a spare frame with
a Phil BB already in it.  

Can I swap the BB out of the road frame and put
it into the MTB frame, or do I need a BB with
a longer axle?  I think the one I have might be
a 108mm axle.  Does that sound right?  I'm pretty
sure that the Phil BB has axle lengths up to 113mm.

Altermately, does anyone have a different brand
of sealed MTB BB that they would recommend?

Thanks!
-- 
              Greg Larkin, Software Engineer, Waveform Analysis
                 Viewlogic Systems, Inc.  Marlboro, MA 01752
                            greg@Viewlogic.COM
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Thursday, 21 Jan 1993 10:11:38 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Selle Italia Flite saddle
Distribution: usa
 <93020.102345TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <C16rCr.A28@cleo.abt.com>

You may want to check with the Waveflo seat which also use Ti rails.  You can
get this saddle out of BIKE-PRO for $29.99 and if you buy two, you'll still
come out ahead of the Flite when you crash!
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Subject: Re: Selle Italia Flite saddle
From: sl1yn@millville.declab.usu.edu (869483 Denys Larry)
Date: 23 Jan 93 15:19:25 MDT
Reply-To: sl1yn@millville.declab.usu.edu (869483 Denys Larry)
Distribution: world

In article <1460071@hplred.HPL.HP.COM>, jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt) writes:

|>The Selle Italia Flite saddle is a rebirth of the swallow saddle of
|>old.  You can find pictures of it in patent literature and old
|>catalogs.  The swallow never got wide acceptance for the same
|>reasons that the Flite and its derivatives will most likely fade
|>away.  The Flite bottoms easily on the seat post and, as previous
|>titanium products, has a tendency to break.  The principal savings


  I think most of the people that post about bad experiences with the
Flite should also post how much they weigh.  Obviously light weight equip-
ment like the Flite is not meant for everybody.  If you weigh 180+ you
probably would not want to use a Flite, or at lest you should not expect it
to last.  On the same note, you probably shouldn't use a twenty-eight 
spoke rear wheel.  
  I am constantly amazed about how people here bitch about how their three 
and a half pound frame broke, or the Flite saddle's rails snapped, or their
super-duper-lighter-than-air wonder widget only lasted three weeks.  And
then they note that they only weigh a hundred and ninety pounds.  Jesus,
you have to realize a lot of this equipment is great for a hundred and fifty
pound rider, but just is not designed to last under a rider that weights
fify pounds more.



Larry Denys
sl1yn@paradise.declab.usu.edu
From: rodney@toad.OCE.ORST.EDU (Rodney James)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Demise of wool winter jerseys?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 22:01:15 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - Oregon State University
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mvolo@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Michael R. Volow) writes:
: 
: Is the wool winter jersey dead. Here, in the home of Performance, they
: had a few long sleeve winter jerseys, but in dark colors. Not too
: visible or attractive. When I called Nashbar, Colorado Cyclis, and
: Excel, they didn't have any either. It seem like everybody is into
: high tech fabrics. But I sure would like to get a light colored, long
: sleeve wool jersey. Anyone know where?
: -- 
: Michael Volow, Psychiatry, Durham VA Med Center, Durham NC 27712
: 919 286 0411 Ext 6933               mvolo@uncecs.edu

There is a small ad in the last 2 issues of Velonews for wool jerseys from
Boure Sportswear in Durango, Colorado.  They are _very_ nice (I've got one).

(disclaimer:  I do not in any way represent Boure Sportswear, although I have
used their products for years and have known the owner for several years...)

-Rodney James (rodney@oce.orst.edu)
From: arnie@col.hp.com (Arnie Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Difference between Trek 2000 and 1400 frameset
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:52:58 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
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Chad Burkins <CTB103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> Greetings,
>   Does anyone know of any differences between the Trek 2000 and the
> Trek 1400 frameset ? I have the 2000 and my roomate has the 1400
> and we're having a bit of an argument =) (Hi Beaker).  They both
> are made of the same type of aluminum and both have the aluminum
> fork. So what's the difference ? Geometry ? The Decals ? =)
> Any guesses would be most welcome.


      I'm going to go out on a limb because I'm not absolutely
     certain about this. I THINK that the frameset of the 1400,   
     1500, and 2000 are identical. The 1400 and 1500 differ in
     the quality of the grouppo, ie 105 vs ultegra 600. I know
     that the 1500 and the 2000 are identical framesets. The
     2000 is just sold as a frameset while the 1500 is sold as
     a complete bike.

                                            Arnie
 
     
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arnie@col.hp.com
Telnet 719-590-5642
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From: adr5@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Alex D Rodriguez)
Subject: Re: LOW ROLLING RESISTANCE TIRES
Reply-To: adr5@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Alex D Rodriguez)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:50:06 GMT

In article <1jps36INNjj9@morrow.stanford.edu> GE.DWS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Drew W. Saunders) writes:
>Or, for this particular application, track tubular tires with track
>adhesive.  Conti makes some that will take 200 psi.  I don't have my
>Conti catalogue handy, so I can't give you the specs on their track
>tubulars, but they might do.  How much will this vehicle weigh, and
>how far is it expected to go?  If you give this information, perhaps
>some of the track racers on the net can give you some
>recommendations from their personal experience.
>
>Drew

Just out of curiosity, but how well will a tubular tire take lateral loads?
A car corners diferently than a bike and the lateral loads are much higher.
---------------
Alex Rodriguez
Columbia University
New York City