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From: mike@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Smithwick)
Subject: Re: World of Commodore summary, 9/12, part 2 (LONG)
Keywords: new chipsets, WOC
Organization: SF-Bay Public-Access Unix
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:17:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.151514.26401@maths.tcd.ie> ecarroll@maths.tcd.ie (Eddy Carroll) writes:
>cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>>andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew) writes:
>>>	I just got back from the second day of the World of
>>>Commodore show in Pasadena, and today was definitely
>>>more impressive than yesterday.
>
>Understatement of the week! :-)
>
>[ Lots of amazing stuff which leads me to believe that Eggebrecht had too much
>  to drink on Friday Night. I _really_ hope CBM management follow through on
>  all this! I'll even forgive them for not including a DSP in the base A4000. ]
>

He seemed clearly sober. Jim Dionne was seated next to him.

>Absolutely awesome stuff! 
>
>>>As to how far along these things are, Eggebrecht
>>>says they're close to working silicon, but would not
>>>give any dates at all.  
>>

He implied that they would have chips ready in a month or so, and
prototypes not too long after that. Given that the next DevCon is
in Jan. 1992, I can only assume that they will have some cool stuff
to show us.

>>I find it hard to believe this incredible break from
>>the Amiga architecture is almost in working silicon
>>when it has taken so long for the AGA chipset
>
>This is the bit I really wanted to reply to. At the European DevCon in
>Milan this time last year, they had the first silicon versions of the AA
>chipset on display, and were showing 1280 x 512 HAM8 pics. They looked
>awesome. (The intervening year was most likely to get bugs out of the
>chipset and get the system software to support it fully written.)
>
>So I can quite believe that they've had a team beavering away for the past
>12 months (or longer) on this new chipset who are almost ready to show
>something for it.

ADOS 3.0 was probably developed with the >AA chipset in mind. In that case
the turnaround time for future product developement is going to be a lot
shorter since software tradionally takes much longer to produce than the
hardware. At the 1991 DevCon in Denver they showed us the first two
prototype AA machines. The impression I got was that they were slapped
together only a short time before. It's been a year to get them out to
the marketplace, most of that probably being the OS work, so the next
generation of machines will likely be out within a year. Providing of
course Dionne isn't fired.
 

>The only thing is, I hope people won't put off A4000 purchases in the hope
>that all this stuff is right around the corner. I'd say the chances of
>seeing any of this next generation stuff before 1994 are pretty close to
>zero.
>
>Eddy
>-- 

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From: copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope)
Subject: Re: C= (Sweden) does things right!
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 06:26:24 GMT

borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest) writes:


>C= is dropping much of the 'tie-and-suit' apperance, and has decided that
>hackers&demogroups are a major group of Amiga users. Therefore they are
>sponsoring a democompetition: 1st price an Amiga 3000 100HD/25Mhz 6M ram.
>2nd price A600 (with HD?). 3rd price A590.

>This seems to be in line with reports of usergroups getting support from
>C=.

C= oz seems to be the same.  They are supplying nearly as much material to
user-groups as to developers.  The only things devs are getting over them
is pre-release info & products.  And they apparently aren't going to ship
2.1 unix here.  Bummer.  :-(  If they did some research, they would realise
they could sell tons of unix boxes to the unis.  Ship one with 2.1, 400M HD,
10Mb ram, monitor for a decent price and they would sell heaps.  A lecturer
asked me about them, but reckions they're not worth it at the price, because
they get suns for A$7500.
Perhaps when Dillon finishes porting BSD 4.4 we will see some cheaper systems,
that use an 040.

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From: justin@mik.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Black Apples
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:01:05 GMT

linda ream fox writes
> My husband just lucked into a pretty much intact Altair 8800.  Anyone know
> where he can get/go for information on using it?
> 
>    LRFox

Hmm.. Well, that's what Bill Gates started with. :) Ask him.. <hehehe>
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Subject: Re: Upgrade path from A3000 -> A4000? Ask at WOC!
From: alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com (Alan Braggins)
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:32:14 GMT
 <92257.115643JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu><1992Sep13.173427.20118@nntp.uoregon.edu><1992Sep13.212539.9864@NeoSoft.com>
Organization: Shape Data (Division of EDS), Cambridge UK
In-reply-to: peter@NeoSoft.com's message of Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:25:39 GMT

>>>>> On Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:25:39 GMT, peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) said:
> In article <1992Sep13.173427.20118@nntp.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
>>    You can't turn a V4 into a V8 by saying you'll add 4 cylinders.
> Audi did.
I've seen straight 8's based on two 4's.
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From: copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope)
Subject: Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate -- hopefully a rational debate <- (ha!)
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 06:35:56 GMT

jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

>>Can the hardware provide the facilities for instantaneous
>>screen swapping though?

>Yes.  A typical 1MB VGA can store 6 screens of 640x480x4 graphics.  Switching
>is instantaneous, via a "display start address" register.

Gee hey 6 whole screens.  Must get me one of them.   NOT!

>>
>>Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
>>
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From: raymondu@terapin.com (Raymond Ulibarri)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interlace video (Was Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate)
Date: 8 Sep 92 00:58:47 PST
Organization: BBS

   My personal opinions about interlaced screens?

   Since I work in video, I'm quite used to interlaced video a la NTSC.  The
Amiga's HiRes screen is interlaced, making it NTSC "compatible"; because it's
RGB, however, it's much easier to look at than actual NTSC video.

   BTW, I agree with the remark that PC displays look blocky.  Look at
AutoDesk's Animator demo FLI animation.  It appears quite blocky.  When viewing
the same animation (after converting it to Amiga ANIM format) on an Amiga, it
doesn't appear blocky at all.  I suspect it's the non-interlace monitor that
enhances the blocky appearance on the PC, and the interlaced video of the Amiga
which disguises it.  Any facts to prove this?


Raymond Ulibarri
Vice President
MultiCon
Multimedia Concepts
(510)261-1001
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:23:28 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <tony.716081545@ais.org> tony@ais.org (Tony Poole) writes:
>
>>He was being really annoying about it, with his bitching and moaning.  He was
>>contributing to the animosity that exists towards Amiga enthusiasts.  He
>>was being as much of an asshole ("... the worst micro ... most games are
>>terrible, the computer is awful ...") as you accuse me of being.
>
>Heh....he was creating to it, so you thought you'd join in and fuel the
>fire, eh?  What a hypocrite.
>

The fire started when he bashed PC's.  I bashed *him*, not the machine he
uses.  So I didn't add fuel to the fire; I just tried to put it out at the
source.

>>
>>Because his comments were chock-full of lies.  For example, the part about
>>the 8MB PC only having 550KB of usable RAM.
>
>So you decided to personally bash him, rather than calmly pointing out why
>"his comments were chock-full of lies".
>

Calmness doesn't seem to be effective here.  Facts don't seem to mean much.
It's more of a shouting match -- a flame-fest, and flames are what gets
attention around here.

>
>Please explain how:
>
>>>>Hmmm... No wonder people see Amiga buffs as an annoying bunch of ignorant
>>>>fanatics.  John Dvorak was right.
>
>typifies partiality.  I'd really like to know.  Please quote this statement
>again, and explain this.
>

The following question, posed to me, insinuated partiality:

>>>Can't you face the fact that everyone doesn't like the same things as you,
>>>Jerry?

Actually, there was no insinuation; it was an outright accusation!

>
>Tony Poole                       tony@umcc.ais.org * tony@irie.ais.org 
>
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From: glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: aga chipset for amiga
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:16:05 GMT
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: falcon.natinst.com


	Somebody mentions that yes, HAM is the only way to get more than
256 colors simultaneously with AGA but it is available on all resolutions.
But my point was that HAM just isn't useful for much besides looking at
still pictures.  For example; can Workbench run in HAM mode?
From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advo
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:05:57 GMT
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

In article <gate.oFRqqB1w165w@lakes.trenton.sc.us>, mr_scary@lakes.trenton.sc.us (mr_scary) writes:
|> -> From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
|> -> 
|> ->    It's not the square pixels; it's just an effect of the higher-quality
|> -> display.  Amiga pictures all look just as blocky on an A3000 with a 
|> -> multisync monitor.  Amiga pictures may look less blocky on an Amiga with
|> -> a lesser quality display (such as a 1084S monitor) because the colors 
|> -> and pixels tend to bleed a little on these monitors.
|> -> 
|> 	On the 1084, there are visible scan lines which make the pixels
|> appear smaller and smoother.  On my Flixer Fixed screen, I appreciate the
|> brighter colors that scan doubling produces, but the pixels themselves are
|> twice as high.  MCGA will look blockier than a 1084 display of the same
|> resolution, due to the pixel sizes.  This isn't necessarily because of a
|> "lesser quality display", but because the display mode has scan lines.

Well, yes and no. I agree that the visible scanlines on the normal Amiga display
modes (this has nothing to do with monitors, they were present on my Sony 
multisync before I got the FF, too...) but I don't agree that the pixels are 
twice as high, now. If you USE the flicker fixer for what it was intended, in
other words as a rock-steady 640x400 display, there are TWICE AS MANY pixels on
the screen, so those scan lines are FILLED IN with the extra pixels. Nothing is
"taller", just more in the same space.
                                                                 
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From: raymondu@terapin.com (Raymond Ulibarri)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Date: 6 Sep 92 09:34:08 GMT
Organization: BBS


   I agree with your peeve that publishers often put an incorrect default tool.
 Since not every Amiga has the SYS:Utilites drawer in their path, I submit that
every developer with a README file should place the following argument in the
default tool:

   DEFAULT TOOL:  Sys:Utilities/More

   This is what I place in all my icons.  After all, unless a user removed it
to make space(it's not that big to warrant removing if you have a hard drive),
that's where More is always located.  And that's what More was intended for.


Raymond Ulibarri
Vice President
MultiCon
Multimedia Concepts
(510)261-1001
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falc
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:02:44 GMT
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <35044@cbmvax.commodore.com> andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
> Not being realtime is not necessarily a disadvantage, unless you are
> doing a realtime application.

A graphical user interface is a realtime application.

Thanks, Commodore, for making sure the Amiga system software was up to the
job.

> If you are not doing something that
> requires realtime response, your OS may have different goals, like
> maximizing throughput, responsiveless to the user, and so on.
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is that a freudian slip? 'cos it sure describes most of the non-real-time
systems with GUIs.
-- 
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From: matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt)
Subject: Re: A3000T and Mac Quadra pricing
Organization: Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:46:10 GMT

In article <copes.716192048@marsh> copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope) writes:
>
>can play back 4 plane DCTV anims at 766x533 res (equiv 24 bit) full screen at

I'm rather amused you can use "4 plane" and "24 bit" in the same sentence.

>--
>copes@cs.curtin.edu.au

matt.
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From: rcormac@mark1.cs.oberlin.edu (Cormac (Xbattle -rcormac) Russell)
Subject: Re: User interfaces--Workbench and WPS
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
	<1992Sep15.154223.2457@oracle.us.oracle.com>
	<1992Sep15.211454.27981@usl.edu>
Distribution: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:21:45 GMT
X-Posted-From: mark1.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


>It WOULD be neat to say 'command line' and have a command line shell
pop up!
>Coolness!!

Well if you had an Amiga, no problem, VCLI, a PD voice recognition
thingy that works with Perfect Sound, allows you to associate spoken
word events with commands...

As to the bit about associating files with other programs, the Amiga
has been doing that since Workbench 1.2 at least (I assume since 1.0
but I have never seen anything older than 1.2...), so clicking on your
gifs launches virtgif to view em, clicking on a soundfile can launch
dsound (or whatever) to hear em...

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                      rcormac@occs.cs.oberlin.edu           
Vote Libertarian in 92! Marrou/Lord!




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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 07:18:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.010011.9732@cco.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>When in 256 color mode, the machine really crawled.
>Just moving this icon around was horrible.  The reason for this, I believe
>is that the AA Chipset, although 32 bit, is still only 7MHz or something
>(to keep in sync with NTSC).  The performance was worse than a Mac with
>a 68030 in 256 color mode.  At least in the workbench (using 3.0).  Maybe
>there are still some bugs, but it was alot slower than expected.

   In a way, the AA chipset is going to become the great equalizer, in favor of
systems like the Mac and IBM systems which have had 256-color hi-res modes for
a long time.  Ever since the Mac II and IBM SVGA systems first started coming
out, people have been complaining about their slowness while stating (falsely)
that the Amiga was faster.  The real problem all along has been that 640x480x8
is a hell of a lot of data to move around, and the Amiga did not have any modes
to use as a comparison against these systems.  Sure, the Amiga seemed faster,
but only because it's inferior display meant that it was not burdoned with 
moving lots of data around.

   But along comes the AA chipset, and we finally get to see how an Amiga 
performs with 8 bitplanes at 640x480, and we see that it **CRAWLS**.  In fact,
we find that the Workbench is **UNUSABLE** in 256-color mode because it is
so slow, even though the Mac and IBM systems -- which have been available for
much longer -- are pokish but still very usable with 256 colors.

   The odd thing about the AA chipset, then, is that it could easily move
die-hard Amigaoids to viewing Mac and IBM systems with a little more respect.

>keith

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From: music@moravian.edu (Steve Heller)
Subject: Re: Go Amigo [was: More AmigaWorld Lies]
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 14:47:16 EDT

Go Amigo was running out of a railroad car?!? My experiences with them
must have been at that time. I've never dealt with a company that
caused me more headaches and personal expense that Go Amigo! I was on
the verge of a lawsuit with them and had to go to great lenghts to
clear all the problems they caused, which included, but was certainly
not limited to, sending me a double shipment (and charging my credit
card twice) and sending me (and charging the same card number) an
expensive item I never ordered (and insisting they had my order right
there in front of them). I hope Creative Computers is running things
better than the Go Amigo idiots!
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From: rblewitt@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Richard Blewitt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Non-Disclosure Releases (Limited)
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:00:16 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Sep13.211833.10178@nntp.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:

>   The following was pulled off of BIX by me on Friday evening. It should be
>of use to some of the developers that haven't left csaa yet: <Grin>


>amiga.cert/news.dev #101, from jwiede, 342 chars, Fri Sep 11 11:00:36 1992
>TITLE: Press Releases...

>There are six new messages in amiga.dev/news which are press releases for
>the A4000, OS2.1, A600, A570, AmigaVision Professional and a general one
>discussing what's being shown at WOA.

>The following topics are no longer covered by your Non-Disclosure Agreements:
>A4000, OS3.0, AA (AGA) Chipset, OS2.1, A600, A570


Well they (C=) also mentioned os3.1 & 4.0, The 2-chip set and the 4-chip
set, so I guess we can tlak about those as well.  Perhaps Commodore
has given up on non-disclosuer :)

Rick

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From: banks@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Corey Banks)
Subject: A4000 Colour?
Organization: Murdoch University
Date: 15 Sep 92 04:15:26 GMT


	I really hate white (or cream) computers,  so can I get a black case and
shove the new A4000 in it?  Will C= release a black version of there computers?
(how about a red one, cause it goes faster ;-)

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From: andyw@awbase.UUCP (Andy Wright)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies
Distribution: world
Reply-To: censor!awbase!andyw@zoo.toronto.edu
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:30:15 EST
Organization: ASOANTK Scarborough,Ont. Can.

In article <1992Sep7.152519.27666@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
> 
> Nah, it is more like this :
> 
> A500       : Ford Escort
> A600       : Ford Festiva
> A1000      : Ford Mustang
> A2000      : Ford Taurus
> A2500      : Ford Taurus SHO
> A3000      : Ford Mustang GT
> A3000T     : Ford LTD

              Na... Ford Thunderbird SuperCoupe

> A3000T/040 : Ford LTD, special "Cop Car" edition
> 

Sometimes I just cann't resist....

Andyw
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