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From: mib@mace.cc.purdue.edu (chandra)
Subject: Re: Cuba/Drug Trade
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:24:56 GMT

In article <20747@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
> News just came out from the DEA regional office in Miami, that the files on
> Cuba's leaders that were involved in the drug buisiness was reactivated.  Among
> those being investigated is non other than Raul Castro.  It seems that 
> Fidel has continued with his attempts to destroy out youth, while at the
> same time he is making a profit from it.  I will try to follow up on these
> events as soon as anything appears in the NYT (not the transfer Service).
> 
> Edelmiro

And therefore, do you think that the US marine will land in Cuba to get  Fidel and Raul Castro as they did to the ex-Panamenian president Gen. Manuel Norguega?
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Human Rights in Cuba
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:08:28 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Lazaro,

>Quisiera acordarme, pero no puedo, del titulo de un documental que vi ya
>hace tiempo en PBS sobre este tema. Recuerdo que pensaba un poco como tu,
>Edelmiro, y quede boquiabierto cuando presentaron a personas que se 
>consideraban tanto judias como cristianas. 

Bueno, esta bien, le doy la razon a Alberto, si despues de todos los cubanos 
comen moros y cristianos :-).  Lo que inicio este debate no fue el doble 
sentido de ser judio (el restrictivo y el no restrictivo) sino la presuncion de 
una amiga socialista de que un "marxista" pudiera creer en Dios.  Cuando 
cualquiera que conoce su ABC del marxismo sabe que esto es una tonteria.  
Socialistas los hay cristianos, judios,... pero el marxista es otra cosa, y 
cuando alguien dice, ah pero Marx era judio, se olvidan que era judio en el 
sentido no restrictivo del termino, lo que Alberto llama el "algo mas" sin lo 
de dios incluido.

Edelmiro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: jet5r@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (*   THE PUNISHER   *)
Subject: Re: No me defiendas compadre...
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:05:57 GMT

Este mensaje va en nombre de Guillermo

>From: jet5r@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (*   THE PUNISHER   *)
>Subject: Re: No me defiendas compadre...
>Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:11:51 GMT
>ib19@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:

>Guillermo, 
>
>A menos que tus conocimientos sobre Peru esten en conflicto con los 
>postings de Edelmiro (en cuyo caso deberias ser mas especifico) no veo
>motivo para tu comentario.  Que estas tratando de decir??  Que Edelmiro
>no tiene derecho a opinar sobre Peru porque no es peruano??.
>
>Espero no sea este el caso
>
>Eduardo

No esperaba una respuesta tan rauda tuya "EL PUNISHER" (perdona mi castella-
nizacion), pero si, es verdad lo que dices que debiera ser mas especifico.

Pero, por favor, es de cretino pensar que quien participa en un foro de
libre palabra quiera acallar la de alguien.  No seria la primera vez, lo
reconozco. Pero no, no es lo que trate de decir.

Edelmiro, tu y quien quiera puede opinar todo lo que les de la gana acerca
de cualquier cosa que mejor les parezca o convenga. Tambien yo tengo ese
derecho despues de todo. No vamos a estar todos completamente de acuerdo
en absolutamente nada, aunque seamos de opiniones muy cercanas. Pero bien
que mal, vamos intercambiando OPINIONES.

Pero una cosa es tener una opinion, y otra es gritarla a voz en cuello como
si fuera realidad.  Eso es DESINFORMACION. 

Ya hay bastante de eso.

	Guillermo

PS> Por alguna razon, me equivoque al invocar el comando y esta nota no va
al grupo como era mi intencion ya que comentarios publicos deben tratarse
publicamente. En realidad no se como hacerlo en el sistema que estoy usando 
ahora.  Podrias hacerme el favor de ponerlo tu, si sabes como hacerlo? Te
lo agradeceria enormemente. Es un favor que te pido a nombre de la libertad
de expresion, y a mi nombre tambien.  Gracias.
From: julio@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Julio Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Human Rights in Cuba
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:38:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


> >>		... for opression doesn't 
> >>necesarilly take on an economic character, unless of course you happen to be a 
> >>Marxist and believe in material determinism. 

 	Don't say this to one of your "american" friends. For the relation
	good economy--freedom is well entrenched in this country. No
	means means no freedom. Remember they just voted out a great
	"freedom fighter" because "The Economy Stupid!"

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From: rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo)
Subject: Re: Cuban Plane Hijacking Made in USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:37:14 GMT

In article <21053@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>As usual communist propagandists make an accusation and later cannot 
>substantiate it in their articles:  For example, the NY Transfer News 
>Collective and the Workers World Service write:
>
>>Cuban plane hijacking made in USA

>>But under international agreements signed by both Cuba and the
>>U.S., hijackings are a crime. Moreover, these accords require
>>punishment or extradition of the hijackers and the return of the
>>aircraft and passengers.


 I don't believe this pact between the US and Castro includes the passengers
 as most of them did not know what was going on. They just took advantage
 of the situation and asked for asylum here.


>
>>But, the release
>>continued, "Cubans ready to denounce their government are
>>welcomed with open arms by the U.S. in an openly racist double
>>standard."
>
>Who ever said the Cubans fleeing were "white", from the pictures I saw, they 
>looked brown to me. In any event, there's a POLITICAL double standard, which of 
>course will be ammended soon and communsits propagandists will have one less 
>thing to whine about.

 Well, it seemed to me that most of the 48 people asking for asylum were
 pretty "white", but the pilot himself is a mulatto. Also, a lot of the
 Cubans coming in small boats and inner tubes are mulattos or blacks, so
 racism should not be the issue as far as the Haitians' or our pinkos' is
 concerned.
--
Ray I. Ravelo                "We're your opposition, Mr. Castro, we 10 million
Office of Academic Computing. Cubans who look around us in terror"
UC, Irvine.                 from the open letter to Castro by M.E. Cruz-Varela
From: julio@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Julio Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Human Rights in Cuba
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:57:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

> ... y Chomsky nunca niega que Castro haya 
> cometidos crimines contra la humanidad, solo los minusvalora cuando los compara 
> con la dictadura guatemaltecas.


	No he leido que nadie en la red apoye a Castro. Pero el
	mundo no es absoluto. En los EE.UU. no se respetan los
	derechos humanos, pero lo prefiero a Panama, donde se 
	respetan aun menos. Esa es la filosofia Edelmiro. Te haria
	bien hablar con tus amigos gringos. Los gringos son gente
	practica y ellos entienden este argumento. Cuba podria
	ser Guatemala. A los intereses economicos en los EE.UU.
	les saliva la boca de pensar "si Cuba fuera Guatemala".

> ...  Es mas, el gobierno de Israel se ha pasado la vida apoyando las 
> fuerzas democraticas fuera y dentro de Cuba 
> 
> Edelmiro

	The USA se ha pasado la vida apoyando al gobierno israeli,
	o eso no vale en tu modelo purista del mundo ?

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From: rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com (Rene Valdes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Homophobia: US vs. CUBA
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:17:13 GMT
Reply-To: rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com (Rene Valdes)

In article <2B4C706C.23805@news.service.uci.edu>, rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo) writes:
 
|>  Last night on "Nighline" they talked about the Colorado boycott, etc.
|>  Martina was one of the guess. One of the things she insisted on was on their
|>  "right" to adopt children. Now, I don't think it's in the best interest of
|>  a child to be raised by a homosexual couple ....

It has been shown that the sexual orientation of children does not depend at
all on the sexual orientation of the person(s) who raise them.  I don't see
why having a loving and caring parent, of whatever sexual orientation, can
be against the best interest of a child.  You seem to judging based on 
sterotypes about the so-called "gay lifestyle".  A point of agreement
with Fidel Castro, no doubt.

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From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Homophobia: US vs. CUBA
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:00:12 GMT


In article <1993Jan10.041730.25272@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, rb9a@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Raul  Baragiola) writes:

|> I would expect major problems when the child reached adolescence, not
|> only to the absence of the parent of one sex, but also due to the reaction
|> of other kids. 

My friend Raul was teased for not speaking English
when his parents came to the States.  Using your logic,
they shouldn't have come here.

|> A third problem I suspect: isn't the lifetime of homosexual
|> relations very short -a few years? 

Another stereotype.  Heterosexual unions and gay male
unions tend to last about the same amount of time on
average, with lesbian relationships a bit shorter.

|> If so, what would be the effect on the
|> children?

If this is a worry for you, you should look first
at the vast numbers of divorced heterosexuals with
children, or the huge numbers of girls who pop out
unwanted babies.  It's clear that children who are
raised by parents who want them and can care for them
are better off - no matter what the genders of their
parents.  

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From: markrose@spss.com (Mark Rosenfelder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Clinton to recognize Cuba's right to self-determination.
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:09:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SPSS Inc.

In article <104106@netnews.upenn.edu> julio@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Julio Gonzalez) writes:
>	Could this be possible ?  I read that J F Kennedy sent
>	an emissary to propose this to P. Castro. The condition was
>	for Cuba not to be a Soviet puppet. Now that the "Cold War"
>	is over, could P. Clinton restablish relations with Cuba ?

I've heard that Clinton has no plans to change the U.S.'s policy toward Cuba.

Whether or not the embargo was a good idea when it was started, ending it
now would seem to send the message to Latin America that we are not
serious about democracy.  Why reward Castro for not holding elections?

The Cold War being over should make it easier for the U.S. to take a 
consistent stand for democracy and against dictatorship.  The end of the 
Cold War is no reason to begin supporting left-wing dictatorships;
it does remove the justification (such as it was) for supporting right-wing
dictatorships.
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Guantanamo Bay
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:03:41 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis


Ray Ravelo writes about Guantanamo Bay

> The base was leased for 99 years at the turn of the century (Fin de siglo)
> and both countries have to agree if termination of the lease is desired.

Ray,

I'm sure the U.S. government will turn the base over to a free and democratic 
Cuban government, in the same way the Panama Canal has been placed in 
Panamanian hands, but to Castro's communist dictatoship, we won't even let him 
have an inch.  We won't let him set up another concentration camp in 
Guantanamo.  Perhaps we could send him the message to take it, and then return 
in full force and liberate much more than simply Guantanamo.

Edelmiro
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Human Rights in Cuba
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:33:24 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Alberto Adolfo Pinkas writes:

>In article <2B489E16.25476@news.service.uci.edu> rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu
>(Ray Ravelo) writes:
[...]
>> It seems to me that Jews in Germany and other European countries were
>> pretty well off (in general) before Hitler did what he did, no?

>Some were and some were not.
>However, it does not change how they were DURING WWII.
>Mr. Salas said that Jews lived in homes during WWII. I say that he is
>wrong. Maybe the Cuban-Americans and their friends can also show that
>the Jews were living in homes during WWII, or that they were taken tp
>concentration camps because of Fidel Castro.

Alberto,

In order to avoid a byzantine discussion on the meaining of "during" I will 
give this analogy to prove my initial thesis that health care, on its own is 
not a measure of human rights, and that you can have the most repressive system 
in the world along with excellent health care and housing:

Year: 1995

"DURING the defunct dictatorship of Fidel Castro, Human Rights advocates 
enjoyed free, albeit dilapidated housing, and free, albeit mediocre, health 
care, yet they were frequently beaten up by mobs and dissapeared by the 
dictatorship for interrogation under torture.  These practices prove that an 
allegedly adequate material wealth of the poupulation does not entail repect 
for human rights from the state and some 'socialist' and 'nationalist' 
simpathizers of Castro once believed."

Edelmiro Salas
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From: rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo)
Subject: Re: Guantanamo Bay
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:08:34 GMT

In article <C0pKwJ.Ks6@ra.nrl.navy.mil> salas@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Miguel Salas) writes:
>I often wonder about Castro allowing US to have a Base in Guantanamo Bay.
>Since Castro has such hatred towards the US, why did he allowed a Base
>exist?

 The base was leased for 99 years at the turn of the century (Fin de siglo)
 and both countries have to agree if termination of the lease is desired.

>Is that land leased, therefore they get money out of it?
 The money is not much and Castro has never cashed the cheques as a sign of
 protest.

>If this is plenty of land, whynot have Haitians make a community there?

 I don't think that will be correct. You don't create a country inside another,
 specially if that country is not your own.

>I am one who has known many Haitians in Miami and I think for the most
>part, they are beautiful people to be around.

 I agree, I met some Haitians who work for some of my Cuban friends in Miami.
 They're really good people and very polite and gracious.

>Please reply anyone. 

 Done,
 Saludos,
--
Ray I. Ravelo                "We're your opposition, Mr. Castro, we 10 million
Office of Academic Computing. Cubans who look around us in terror"
UC, Irvine.                 from the open letter to Castro by M.E. Cruz-Varela

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From: newbery@zonda.atd.ucar.edu (Santiago Newbery)
Subject: Re: Consulta Alcoholica de Chile
Keywords: Chile
Organization: National Center for Atmospheric Research
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:57:53 GMT

In article <BLFowB1w165w@tsoft.net>, bbs.pucon@tsoft.net (Ivan Munoz) writes:
|> 
|>  
|> Me alegro que estes disfrutando tu "Concha y Toro", aca en California le 
|> estoy dandole a otro Concha y Toro" del blanquito...
|> 
|> Yo tambien tengo que traer mi Pisco de Chile por que no lo he visto por 
|> ninguna parte en the San Francisco area... 
|> 
|> Feliz An~o Nuevo.......
|> 
|> Ivan
|> 
|> --
|> Ivan Munoz (bbs.pucon@tsoft.net)

Crease o no, aca en Boulder hay un supermercado de bebidas alcoholicas
adonde he comprado pisco Chileno. Tambien ahi consigo gran variedad
de vinos Chilenos (Concha y Toro, 120, Torres, Undurraga, etc) y
Argentinos (Valmont, Trapiche, Goynechea y mas) tintos y blancos.
Sin duda que los disfruto a todos, epecialmente pa' acompa~ar
un rico asadito.

Feliz A~o Nuevo y pisco sour pa' tuitos!


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Subject: Nicaragua Newsbriefs 1/7/93 ed-lp
Date: 10 Jan 93 00:03:00 GMT
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Subject: Nicaragua Newsbriefs 1/7/93 ed-lp
From: nyxfer!nyt (NY Transfer News)


Via The NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit


From el diario/La Prensa 

Translated and edited by Toby Mailman. 

"el Diario/La Prensa" is a Spanish language newspaper 
published in New York City.

NICARAGUAN CONSERVATIVES PROTEST CLOSING OF PARLIAMENT

Nicaragua's ultra-conservative vice president Virgilio Godoy and
deposed National Assembly president Alfredo Cesar led 500
demonstrators, all members of the UNO coalition which brought
President Violeta Chamorro to office, protesting what they called
Chamorro's "military coup" against the Parliament.  Chamorro had
ordered a provisional board of directors to assume custody of the
documents and facilities of the Parliament last December 30,
dismissing Alfredo Cesar and other parliamentary leaders, after
Cesar refused to respect a September 29 Supreme Court decision
which stated that the Parliament had been operating illegally
since September 2, and that everything done in the Parliament
since that date was null and void. (edlp 01/07/93; Nicaragua
Solidarity Network Update #153, 01/03/93)


"MODERATE" SANDINISTAS TELL ORTEGA TO QUIT

Former Nicaraguan Ambassador to the United Nations under the
Sandinista government, Carlos Tunnerman, and Sandinista leader
Edmundo Jarquin, suggested on January 3 that the resignation of
General Humberto Ortega as head of the Nicaraguan army might
contribute to Nicaragua's stability. They said that his remaining
with the army was not healty for the armed forces or for the
tranquility of the country. Tunnerman said in a radio interview
that the army must be modernized and professionalized and put
under civilian authority. Only then, he said, would it be able to
guarantee the country's stability. Tunnerman and Jarquin, members
of the "moderate" wing of the Sandinista party, are the first two
Sandinistas to publicly state their views against Ortega remaining
at the head of the army. Ortega had said in a statement last
October that he would remain head of the army until 1997, when the
professionalization process is scheduled to be completed. (edlp
01/04/93)


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From: wombat@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Gene P. Ledbetter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Los nin~os que hablan esperanto
Date: 7 Jan 1993 10:25:15 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Saludos a todos,

Edelmiro Salas pregunto:

> Just out of curiosity, are there native speakers of
> Esperanto.  That is to say, can you find a 4 year old 
> that speaks this language?  I invite anybody who can 
> show me a native speaker of this "language" out to dinner.

!Me gusta mucho la comida argentina!

Lastimamente, no tengo dentro de mi circulo de amigos un solo 
nin~o de 4 an~os.  Pero les aseguro a ustedes que este es un 
verdadero idioma.

Se dice que hay en realidad unos pocos (es cierto no hay 
muchos) nin~os para quienes esperanto es el primer idioma.  
La explicacion es que, desde vez en cuado, dos esperantistos 
de diferentes paises se casan sin tener entre ellos ningun 
otro idioma comun excepto esperanto.  ("El amor conquista 
todo".)  El amor produce nin~os y los nin~os comienzan la 
vida hablando el idioma que hablan los padres, !en este caso 
esperanto!

Por supuesto, la idea de esperanto no es de ser el primer 
idioma de ningun persona; la idea es de ser el segundo idioma 
de personas que quieren (o deben) comunicar con 
"extranjeros".

Saluton al c^iuj,

Edelmiro Salas demandis:

> Just out of curiosity, are there native speakers of
> Esperanto.  That is to say, can you find a 4 year old 
> that speaks this language?  I invite anybody who can 
> show me a native speaker of this "language" out to dinner.

Mi multe s^atas argentinan nutraj^on!

Bedau`rinde, entre miaj amikoj ne estas ec^ unu knabo de 4 
jaroj. Sed estas certe, ke c^i tio estas vera lingvo.

Oni diras, ke fakte ekzistas unuaj (certe malmultaj) knaboj, 
kies unua lingvo estas esperanto.  La kialo estas, ke foje du 
esperantistoj el malsamaj landoj edzig^as havante nur 
esperanto, kiel komuna lingvo.  ("La amo konkeras c^ion".)

La amo faras knaboj kaj vivkomence la knaboj ekparolas la 
lingvon, kiun parolas la gepatroj, c^iokaze esperaton!

Certe, la ideo de esperanto ne esas farig^i la unua lingvo de 
neniu; la ideo esas farig^i la dua lingvo de tiuj, kiuj volas 
(au` devas) komuniki kun "fremduloj".

Gene LEDBETTER / wombat@physics.berkeley.edu
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