From: nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: * IBM's OS/2 2.0 Scores Big *
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:59:41 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

>>The Winapps you are talking about about are text mode also, right? I am not
>>stupid, I realize a text mode MicroEMACS has a good chance of being much faster
>>than a graphical one. I do not know what you were talking about, for both
>>sides, but I am just trying to say if you are going to do comparisons, make
>>them equal.

>You said that Win16 apps were faster than OS/2 1.x apps.  I'm saying
>that that's not true if you compare Winapps to OS/2 text mode apps.  The
>text mode app will be faster almost every time.  You're the one that
>came up with the idea of comparing Win16 to OS/2 1.x--don't blame me if
>that comparison turns out not to be equal!  :-)

You are still missing the point. Just tell me if you are comparing TEXT MODE
winapps to TEXT MODE OS/2 apps, or GRAPHICAL winapps to TEXT MODE OS/2 apps.
MAKE SURE YOU ARE DOING A FAIR COMPARISON.

>>16 bit OS/2 apps for whatever reasons were very slow, required a lot of memory,
>>and costed a fortune. !6 bit windows apps run much faster, I am not sure on

>The ones I've seen were not slow, and were, in fact, much faster than
>any Win16 programs I've seen.  In some cases, faster than equivalent DOS
>programs.  The MS Programmer's Workbench that came with C6, for example,
>is actually a pretty decent environment under OS/2.  It uses multiple
>threads, and seems to perform quite well.  The DOS version is a slow,
>useless hunk of garbage.

So tell me which OS/2 apps spreadsheets can run recalcs faster than any windows
alternatives, which word processors for OS/2 run reformats , spell checks, 
seraches and replaces, whatever, faster ithan any windows alternatives, 
which desktop publishing OS/2 apps do video work faster than windows alternatives. Compare equally. Don't tell me about a text mode OS/2 editor scrolling
faster than word for windows and conclude that OS/2 is infinitely faster at
everything than Windows is. Scrolling speed is the most least significant 
aspect of speed, when considering overall speed your computer does work, that I
can think of. If you have fast scrolling text editor, that is great, but noone
defines the speed of anything based on something so little.

>Since we can't agree on the performance issue, we'll look at the price. 
>In this case, you have to keep in mind that OS/2 2.0 is selling.  1.x
>never did.  So there's actually a market.  Which means competition, and
>the opportunity to make your profit on volume.

Give me a break. 1.3 million copies, now that is a microscopic market. But 1.5
million, now THAT is a market. How does that work?

>And one final comment on performance.  OS/2 *has* a 32-bit text mode
>environment that you can write programs for.  Windows is a GUI, pure and
>simple, and doesn't offer you a 32-bit text-mode environment.  So OS/2
>has this whole class of applications that don't even exist in the
>DOS+Windows world.  And the EMX compiler instantly fills this class with
>a wealth of software from the UNIX world.  I know that *my* C:\BIN
>directory is full to the brim with GNU tools that use the EMX dlls.  :-)

what kind of an idiot uses windows or OS/2 to work the same way they did
with DOS and its apps?

>will be slower.  I've seen no evidence that PM is at all inherently
>slower than Windows.  I may not use Windows, but I've seen it running. 
>And I've seen PM apps.  I see no evidence, and no reason to believe,
>that PM is in any way slower.  If anything, an OS/2 app running on HPFS

You've actually got a glimpse of it running. And you were even able to 
extrapolate the performance of a processing-intensive or video-intensive app
based on it? If you are an expert at it, I would like to know how to do it.
For example, if I run OS/2's WPS, and catch a glimpse of it, and see that 
some Windows, oh, pop up faster than others, and some icon movement, runs at,
oh, average speed, then exactly what percentage improvement do I stand to 
gain from running an average PM app over and average UNIX app?

I hope the obnoxious example will get your attention and actually read
what I am trying to point out.
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