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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:44:20 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Over-the-counter language

>Prescribing the past?  What are we talking about?
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

The folks who leap out and say "wrong" about some usage that has
gone dun snuck into the language and that offends their sixth
grade grammar mentality--there are also the folks who rely on
Fowler's.  At least that's what I thought you all were talking
about.  I confess, I've been getting so much mail that I may not
have understood what was going on.

What I meant by prescribing the past is insisting on the past
meaning of a word over what it has come to mean, e.g. gay.
Prescribing a change--insisting that language change for one
reason or another from some past usage, e.g. so-called gender
neutral language.

-Mka
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:53:30 EDT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
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On Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:11:06 EDT, BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU wrote:
> If we pool our life savings and wire the proceeds to Torkel to invest
> in Swedish debt instruments at the Riksbank's new 75% interest rate,
> would we get an attractive yield (after transaction costs and Torkel's
> management fee, of course)?  Would there be significant risk involved?

Either I've missed something here or this is a new thread.  Could you
explain more please.

G
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From:         "Alec D. Plotkin" <185422285@WILD.VILL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Zen
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No disrespect was meant toward Zen or Japanese culture. I made a bad joke.


later
alec
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From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject:      Re[6]: Brother Barbara
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     Well, bayla, I don't agree with everything you say, but I don't
     feel like metagrobolizing at 5:28pm on the Friday before a
     holiday, so I'll just say... excelsior!

     And have a restful Labor Day, fellow wage slaves.

     Carol
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From:         "Michael E. Macmillan" <MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
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>I hope that the bad wheather blew by you. I heard the macadama (sp?)  nut
>trees or what ever were trashed in Hawaii.

>alec

Thanks. It did, indeed, blow by me with little ill effect.  I
haven't been to Kauai in so long that I don't know how much of the
macadamia crop comes from there.  Much of it comes from the Big
Island, which was out of the storm's path.  Now, guavas are another
story.  If you like stuff made with guavas, you may be in for a
drought.

Michael E. Macmillan (macmillm@ewc)
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From:         "Michael E. Macmillan" <MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: This is crazy

>>Thank God, Mike! I was worried sick that it might disrupt network connections
>>to your site!

>>-abh
>>relieved

More likely worried that your source of dirty pictures would dry up,
eh, ab?

>       I thought it *did* disrupt the network -- he sent the message on
>       Friday, but it didn't get to UGA until this morning.

Yes, indeed, Neal, the mail connections seem to have been very sporadic.
It's a little embarrassing to have a message like that show up so
long after the fact.

>       I'm glad to see that your power is coming back on, Mike.

Truth is, in my part of the island (Oahu), we didn't even lose
power, though a large part of the windward side did.  In my
neighborhood, it wasn't much worse than a typical severe winter
storm. Some considerable damage along the leeward shoreline, but not
of major-disaster proportions--except to the individuals affected,
of course.

>  Sounds like Kauai didn't sustain damage nearly as serious as FL
>  and LA did.

Kauai is not nearly so densely populated as the area of Florida hit
by Andrew, and the terrain is rather different.  I think this
accounts for much of the difference in the picture of the
devastation.  There just wasn't as much to destroy on Kauai, which
has only about 50,000 residents.  Iniki's winds were slightly less
than those of Andrew, but I doubt the difference had much practical
effect.  Given problems with communication and difficulty of travel,
we don't yet have an accurate assessment of all the damage.

> Of course, even if it had, George wouldn't have stopped by -- not enough
> electoral votes, and you guys vote Democratic anyway.

True, indeed.
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From:         Bernard Chien Perro <maynor@CS.MSSTATE.EDU>
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> This is lovely, Gilbert, but I thought we were *cousins*...I think it's
> Natalie who's your other sister.  Unless, of course, there's an
> *inheritance* involved. :-)

Right.  Giggles is my blood uncle.
                        o/.\____/
         -- Bernard      \______|
                         / \  / \
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From:         aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU
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>I suggested you were <terribly nice>, you wouldn't automatically

Tsk, tsk, GT, dirty pool.

-abh
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From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: Gossiping about Natalie and prescriptivism

>> - well this last year anyway - that Natalie is a delightful female
>> person - I think "woman" is the technical term - with a very shrewd
>> head, which I have never seen, on her shoulders, and this in spite of
>
>Oooooh. I like it, I like it!  But mka would use the technical term "man"
>since it was ok to do so in 1926.

It wasn't OK to do so in 1926. Actually I would hazard a guess that it was
never OK to use "man" as a technical term for female person. What Marty said
was something different.

tushar
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Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 00:54:05 GMT

H'm -- not that I doubt you for a minit, dan, but I know pica as the eating
of paint chips and suchlike-- is it also the generic term for eating clay
etc?  i could ask my husband, who <knows all>, but that would be like
cheating on the crossword puzzle..

--bayla
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:39:42 EDT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
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On Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:03:00 JST, "Akio Tanaka" <TANAKA@JPNSUT20.BITNET> wrote:
> 39) '92 "October Surprise" (Graham)

The traditional Big Political Move in Election Year in the US.  We'd
been discussing the possibility of the US sending troops into either
Iraq or Bosnia in order to get a wave of nationalistic hysteria going
in the US, so that the current government would get an election boost.
(It being considered very unpatriotic to vote against the Government
when at war...)

G
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From:         Agnes Kruchio <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: Aspiration
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              "aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU" at Sep 5, 92 9:28 am

>
> >Something just occurred to me.  I thought abh was a staunch hater of
> >usenet.  Why the desire for it now?  Masochism or an interest in observing
> >the enemy culture?
>
> Tempi cambi.
>

Tempi...care to explain?

AK
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From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Amazon T-shirt News
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>>love, judith, wearing a green green dress with her abh earrings
>>              and getting compliments from everyone
>
>Woo-woo! shall we say you're now a "Hot MamaP?"
>
>-abh

I guess we can't. I hafta be a "Hot Aunt MamaP", if at all.
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Subject:      Re: Quantum Leap

Greetings,

I don't know whether there's a list around Quantum Leap.  I did accidentally
watch a few minutes of that show once.  I suspect there might be some
discussion of this show on alt.tv.regurgitate.

Marty
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Subject:      Signs

>And by the way, the symbol of the Great Mother in Her death aspect is a
>white ravenous sow, in the Celtic, Germanic, Greek and Sumerian cultures.
>
>--Susan

Pork has always meant well-being.

-Mka
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In a previous article, DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu () says:

>*** Resending note of 09/10/92 10:36
>
>>Hmmmmm.  You are making assumptions....  How do you know I wasn't talking
>>about reaching 30?
>>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
>Hmmmmmm indeed!  Natalie, do you mean on your next birthday I will be
>TWICE as old as you???

You're 100, Don?  I never would have believed it.  Nahh - you're not a day
over 60.  That makes Natalie what now, 29? :-)


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> Internet gurus, heed my call,
> Yes, I mean you, one and all:
>
Jill,
 What a lovely poem. I am so proud of you, and know your daddy is also.
You know, you have an aunt on your father's side who once wrote some lovely
poetry - her name is ndh, I believe.  You certainly need to consider
submitting your work for publication, maybe even to _The World of Poetry_.
Pridefully,
Auntie Doris
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Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 15:25:35 MED
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: Today's pop quiz
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:graham writes:
:
:    >Would Jim's students all have defined disinterested wrongly if
:    >they'd done it silently on paper?
:
:Odd that Graham seems not to understand the meaning of the word "quiz".
:
:    >isn't it rather worrying that Jim's university-level sociology
:    >class *don't* know the meaning of disinterested?
:
:Not nearly as worrying as a self-proclaimed adult who seems unable to
:understand a simple four letter word.  Since he refuses to recognize

Since you like Chambers for definitions like this, try
quiz /kwiz/, n.  am odd-looking person or (Jane Austen) thing: a monocle,
often with a handle: a piece of banter or quiet mockery: a mocking look:
a hoax: one who practises any of these: an oral examination or short
test (US): a sportive chatechism or general knowlege test: a bandalore
(qv, obs).

G
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In a previous article, bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer) says:

>
>Alas for the senescent memory!  I went a-digging in my sf (science fiction)
>magazine collection for a sample of the stories I mentioned: turns out that
>at least one of them (I stopped looking after the first: these mags are
>packed tightly in a box at the moment) appeared in -Asimov's Science
>Fiction Magazine- April 1982.  The author is Somtow Sucharitkul, a
>multi-talented Thai whose language skills are extraordinary.  
That he is; he also writes under the name of S.P. Somtow, but that's mainly
his horror writing.  If you can check your Mid-December issues of IASFM,
the indexes [indices?] will tell you where to find the rest of the
stories.  I'd go digging myself, but my copies are even more inaccessible
than yours.:-)  btw- Isn't he also a composer? 

>The story in the Arpil 1982 issue isn't the beginning of the series, nor
>the first published: only the first one to come to hand as I looked through
>the randomized group in the packing carton.
Weren't the Roman Diplomat stories...no you're right.  I was thinking of the
Harry Turtledove stories; recently he's published some in IASFM about a 
Byzantine diplomat/spy that are pretty darned good.  I think they've been
collected in book form, although for the life of me I can't remember the 
title.

Ruth
thinking furiously but coming up blank

>
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:07:54 +0200
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Teaching....
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  Jim says:

  >Ah, but turning disinterested students into interested ones is
  >entirely fitting (and challenging) for a human being. It's one of the
  >greatest pleasures of teaching, even if we only turn on 10 pct (and
  >avoid turning off the rest).

  10 percent? That's a stupendous figure! I don't recall the official
statistics offhand, but I would have thought 0.03% was nearer the
mark.
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 06:37:02 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Quote for Today
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>       "Marriage has many pains, but celibacy has no pleasures."
>                    Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)
> It is said that Mr. Johnson, a fiery conversationalist, produced excellent
> writings that often contained eccentric judgements.

I agree that Johnson's judgments were sometimes eccentric -- e.g., his
judgment of the Metaphysicals (well, maybe not of Cowley himself, but
he seemed to be speaking more generally about some of the Metaphysical
characteristics).  I don't find the above quotation eccentric, though,
except for his seeming to assume that non-celibacy necessarily equates
with "marriage."  Maybe he implied that out of politeness to the mores
of society, altho I don't think Ole Sam was that much into politeness.
In other words, substitute something like "relationships" for "marriage"
and the statement makes pretty good sense.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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GEEEWHIZZZZ,

Clinton is for change?  A change of what?  The only thing we are going
to have if this guy gets elected is the change from our paychecks.  IF you
really believe that this is about anything more than the typical Democratic
line, then we are not in Kansas anymore and everything is about to get
OZ.  He has stated that he would consider putting Mario Cuomo on the Supreme
Court and this is after he criticized Thomas for not being qualified and
nothing but a political choice.  Dont get me wrong, I dont care much for
Bush, but I am holding out for Jack Kemp in 1996.  Rush Limbaugh for VP in
1996.

James
your resident conservative
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>
> Well, o.k. but 1) I don't think this apology is sincere, and
> 2) if you don't behave, I'll put you in the story of Agnes, maybe
> even in the sewers-beneath-the-streets-of-Stockholm.  That is a
> threat.
> .
> --ggs

 There is just *something* about Ruth that makes me think she belongs on
that family tree.
 Goodnight all.
 Auntie Sis Doris
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Didn't Giggles say that despite wanting to do away with private
schools daughter was an Exy?

Bennet Fellow, eh?  Howdja like it?  Was the Ioka still running?
The Loaf and Ladle still extant?  Isn't the library *amazing.*
I was mildly miserable there, but learned more than in all
subsequent schooling--possibly.

So what kind of stuff did you do there?

-Mka
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Subject:      Re: Family tree

The Nethead, aka the Ruth Hanschka, enscribes re polygamy;
>Nope - US law forbids it here.
Ruth, it may be titularly illegal but it is, at least in the Mountain States
time zone, common as pig tracks.  (We went over this once - you must have
been on sabbatical.)  Earlier this year the Arizona Supreme Court [five guys
in the bed of a pickup] ruled that, yes, certified law officers cannot break
the law, and yes, polygamy *was* against the law, but, shucks, just 'cause
Officer Obie sorta lost count of how many sisters he married, that's no reason
to heave him off the force!  I won't even get into the "Arizona Strip" business.
(Didn't Twain say something about anyone who had more than one wife deserved
it?)

JMW

ps - I suppose it would be futile to call for a moratorium on Creative
Writing 101?  8-(  A. Conn was funnier...
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>Akio, why don't you ever glean yourself? ;-)
>
>-abh

That's, actually, the best definition of deconstruction I've
heard--I'll have to pass it along to the Derrida list.  They've
been searching/debating definitions of the slimy little thing.

Deconstruction = self-gleaning.

Nice insult too--Aw why dontcha go glean yourself.

-Mka
Hi Akio--I'm not hurt that I wasn't gleaned this week.  No. Not
me.
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Says torkel@SICS.SE:
>
>  A profound reflection! Sometime in the seventies, as I walked around
>Soho in London, looking for a restaurant, I was accosted by a pimp, who
>asked me if I was interested in a bit of action. I was completely taken
>aback. I had not for one moment imagined that anything of the sort could
>happen to me.

Last year sometime, Paul and I wandered down Tremont Street in Boston
looking for a place to eat after finding that our after-theater
hangout (Sam's) had closed, and met a pimp who offered to find us TWO
girls to share.  Little did he know.  Aside from being a gay couple,
we were more interested in food at the moment, and planned to eat it after
hunting and gathering it rather than trade it for anything.  Of course we
also both knew where to get a meal to satisfy the other appetite.
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Subject: Re: prescriptivism again

>The point is that usage dictates the "norm" -- prescriptions don't.  If
>the majority are using a word in a certain way, that will become the
>"standard" usage -- regardless of why they're doing it or what they're
>saying about it.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

That's saying practically nothing. And with quotes around "standard" and
"norm" it really does mean nothing.

To make things clear, what I want to know is what dictates usage. And all
this is going on (from my side) to establish who "prescriptivists" are -
i.e. whether there is a well-defined group of people like that or whether
the definition is so loose that we all are prescriptivists.

tushar
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Subject: Re: Father's Day, Anne, Father's Day
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 07:58:08 GMT


>  I want to be Dickens...  I *want*
>to be *Dickens*....
>--ggs

--You already are the very Dickens, ggiggles: besides, I don't think Shaw
ever had to publish in instalments.

--bayla
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In a previous article, gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL (Graham Toal) says:

>	--What, no snuggles?  no huggles?  no frazzles?  no sizzles? no ripples?
>	no tipples?
>
>	no Giggles??!!
	Not tonight - which baffles
>	--bayla (in disbelief)
>
>The mind boggles!

And wriggles.....

and bobbles

and fumbles

which rankles

Ruth
toodles
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	ap290 and ak743 , both of the Cleveland Freenet
			Here Be Dragons
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