From: garrett@Ingres.COM (WE'RE ONLY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL HERE)
Newsgroups: soc.history,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.usa.constitution
Subject: Re: [ACLU] A History of the Bill of Rights
Summary: Major Dissapointment
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:22:33 GMT
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In article <1duqugINNpje@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)                          writes...
>In article <BxLyzy.IzF@cs.uiuc.edu>, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
>> >The ACLU has sold its name list to HCI.
>> Recently? I thought they had left HCI.  
>Really?  I'm appalled to discover they were ever associated.
> 
>> Also, at least as long as I've
>> been a member, the ACLU doesn't sell it's name list to *anyone*. The
>> worst that it does is to mail other folk's material (for a fee) to its
>> members. The other folks never get to see the name list.
> 
>The more important question is: would the ACLU have offered the same
>service to an anti-abortion group, a white supremacy group, the
>proponents of Oregon Question 9, or another similar group looking to
>destabilize one of our more politically-correct constitutional rights?
> 
>   "... I'm convinced that we have to have Federal legislation to 
>    build on. We're going to have to take one step at a time, and 
>    the first step is necessarily -- given the political realities -- 
>    going to be very modest... Our ultimate goal -- total control
>    of handguns in the United States -- is going to take time... 
>    The first problem is to slow down the increasing number of 
>    handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second 
>    problem is to get handguns registered, and the final problem 
>    is to make the possession of all handguns, and all handgun 
>    ammunition totally illegal."
>                              --Nelson Shields, president of HCI
>                                New Yorker Magazine, 7/26/76
> 
>The ACLU is wimping out on its professed charter by ignoring (or
>even actively assisting!) groups that attack the right to keep and
>bear arms for (among other things) self-defense.
>If rights protected only "popular" stances, we wouldn't need rights.

I've been a member of the ACLU for only a little over a year, but I
am just about to drop it and THIS is the reason why.
	When I became a member I had an unfortunantly naive 
perception of the ACLU. I soon began getting junk mail from politically
correct groups. I wondered about the timing, but I refused to believe 
that the ACLU would sell my name. 
	Thanks to the people in this group you have opened my eyes.
The ACLU has been taken over by the polically (gag) correct. 
	The fact that the ACLU refuses to back the 2nd Amendment
to its original intent is absolutely appaling. 
	I will be mailing back my membership card along with a 
damning letter. 
> 
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Garrett@Ingres.com
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