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From: IBY236@URIACC.URI.EDU (Andy Kress)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re:  SHR -> TIFF/PICT converters?
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:03:32 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


    Supposedly Studio 8 can open SHR pics...but when I used system 6.0
 to move them to mac disk Studio 8 didnt recognize them.  Anyone know
 what Studio 8 is expecting the filetype and creator to be?

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From: schultp@wl.com (Paul Schultz)
Subject: Re: Another drive question!
Organization: Warner Lambert / Parke-Davis
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 04:34:26 GMT

In article <IeceC3200aw5A3W1MW@andrew.cmu.edu> Gregory Ross Thompson <gt0t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>  Third: There's some really strange stuff going on.  I got my Conner
>CP-3200F today, and it's pretty neat.  I've got my SCSI chain set up
>right now with the GS (Apple DMA-SCSI) at one end, a Seagate ST-1096N
>in the middle, and the Conner at the other end.  The Seagate has an ID
>of 6, and the Conner is set to 5 (so that my system boots off the
>Seagate).
>
>  Here's where the wierd stuff starts.  Initially, I thought to
>myself: "okay, the Seagate is in the middle, so I should yank off it's
>terminating resistors."  I did this.  The system couldn't see the
>drive.  The Conner was recognized, though.  So I unhooked the Conner,
>and the Seagate was still gone.  I threw the resistors back on, and the
>Seagate re-appeared.  Then I hooked the Conner back up, (note: BOTH
>drives have the resistors), and both drives get recognized.  Should
>they?  Isn't it bad to have devices in the middle of the chain
>terminating?
>
>  There's a NASTY delay whenever ProDOS 8 starts up.  That delay
>wasn't there before.  Is that because of the extra termination?
>
>  Any help on any of the three questions would be appreciated.  Please
>mail responses directly to me.  Thanks.
>
>		-Greg

Check those terminators again! Also, triple check your SCSI IDs to
make sure there are not any conflicts.  
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From: gdesroch@slate.mines.colorado.edu (DESROCHERS GARY FREDERIC)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Apple's Education sales & stats
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:48:34 GMT
Distribution: World
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
:  
: If these figures are to be believed, it would appear that schools are not 
: moving to the Finder but to PC's. This is most discouraging.

    Believe it!  I was on my son's school technology committee and they
were pretty (peeved) mad at Apple computer for no support and since IBM has
a great department to handle schools it looks like they are getting the
upper hand.  But don't tell Apple this.  They think they are ahead of it
all and that schools will most likely go to Macs.  By the way, when the
discussion got to Macs, there was none(discussion that is).

Gary
gdesroch@slate.mines.colorado.edu
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 Any comments/complaints on Disk Witch tell me.  Apple II Forever!!
From: marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com (Marc Wolfgram)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re:  Experience with Sequential Systems memory board
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:51:19 GMT
Organization: The Internet

A friend of mine purchased this card at KansasFest (I have a 4mb Harris
Labs card - otherwise I would have bought on too!)  The card is very real
and appears to be well built.  It supports DMA and is a great deal.

Marc
From: foegelle@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Foegelle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: NDA Ideas
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:49:33 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Aug25.061218.29757@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> 
   al186@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Spaeth) writes:

>
>Also: I like Quest for the Hoard, but is there a Gs implimentation
>of the Windows 3.1 game minesweeper?  My girlfriend loves that game
>and is great at it, and I can't seem to get the hang of it since 
>I'm so used to quest....
>
>.. if anyone wanted to write that, a scheme like shift-clicking
>to emulate the 2nd button on an IBM mouse would work well..
>
Well, I wrote a version for my BBS using text, and the program concept
is extremely simple.  I've concidered writing a //e graphics version (and 
maybe a GS graphics version too) but dunno when I'll get the chance.  

Also, what's the need for the second button on Minesweeper?  Or were you 
referring to Quest for the Hoard (which I haven't seen)?

Michael Foegelle


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From: ltchean@rambutan.iss.nus.sg (lim thye chean)
Subject: Re: SyQuest removable drives on the GS?
Reply-To: ltchean@iss.nus.sg (lim thye chean)
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 05:43:30 GMT

In article <moqHqB1w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> slhood@bluemoon.rn.com (Stephen L. Hood) writes:
>        I am considering purchasing a SyQuest removable 44 megabyte hard 
>drive for use with my GS.  Will this item work with the Apple High-Speed 
>SCSI card, or will I have to buy a RAMFast?
>        Also, how well is this drive supported by GS/OS?  For example, can 
>I "drag to trash" and eject the disk, or must I manually eject?  And how 
>well does it perform under ProDOS 8?
>
>        Thanks for any help...

I am also considering this, but I have a rev C., will it works?

Thanks.

>
>
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>
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: johnmac@fawlty.towers.oz.au (John MacLean)
Subject: Re: Apple II RWTS codes.
Reply-To: johnmac@fawlty.towers.oz.au (John MacLean)
Organization: Tower Technology, Sydney
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:43:21 GMT

In article <philip.714956159@labtam> philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Philip Stephens) writes:
>>I was under the impression that the Locksmith fast 16 sector copier didn't do
>>any denibblizing of the raw disk data...
>  In fact, it does!  I disassembled the code once, and was quite amazed to see
>that it performed both read and write conversions on the fly.  I don't remember
>the full details now, but when reading it converts the 6-and-2 encoding back
>into 256 bytes of data that is still partially encoded, but which can then be
>converted back into 6-and-2 encoding on the fly.  Pretty interesting stuff.
>  Philip Stephens

I disassembled this too at one stage.
What it means is that it is possible to encode/decode 6-and-2 on the fly -
but not the standard 6-and-2 that DOS and ProDOS use - this cannot be done
on the fly (where on the fly means as you read/write data to disk).
Unfortunately no-one ever released a DOS which used this - or it could have
been even faster than Pronto/Diversi/etc.
It should be possible to have no interleave in real situation if you
cobined this optimisation with the file manager change.

The only code I have seen that uses a read/write like this is some of
Roland G's 18 sector routines (eg: Airheart, etc), and some of his 6
sector ($300 bytes each) routines (eg: Wings of Fury).
However, since they pack so much on a track, you couldn't possibly have
a real file system sitting on top, as the simple overheads of calling
a RWTS routine would mean you would miss the next block (assuming 1-1
interleave).
What he did was to have calls to his RWTS that let you read/write N
blocks starting at block A on track T.
Very neat indeed.
If you want to look at some of this code, good luck boot-tracing, there
are about four levels of EORing and other nasty tricks in the code.
However, if you want to learn more, its worth it.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: gunncs@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Gunn, C. Stephen)
Subject: Hello, World!
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: i
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:44:45 GMT

Hello Out there...

Im a long time Apple II Fan, and many of you probably have met me 
sometime in the past. My name is C. Stephen Gunn, and I am a sysop
in the A2PRO (Apple II Programmers and Developers RT) on GEnie. Ive
been working with the Apple II for almost 10 years now!

Just wanted to drop a note and say hello.. Im here on the net! Finally!

Let the Games Begin! :-)
From: lchavas@CSD4.CSD.UWM.EDU (Linda Catherine Havas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: PD Wordsearch Program . . .?
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:45:45 GMT

Does anyone out there know of a PD Word Search program? I'd like to
use my IIc to generate these lovable little puzzles for my students.
I've checked out Big Red...no luck. If anyone has any information...
or would be willing to copy it onto a 5.25 disk and mail it to me
I would really appreciate it. Please send inquiries, suggestions,
or just a note to say "hi," via e-mail. Thanks loads!

Linda Havas       ----------------->   lchavas@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
UW - Milwaukee
From: roland@pro-sweosd.cts.com (Roland Enflo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: LaserWriter Driver in 6.0.1
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:47:12 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ProLine [pro-sweosd]
X-Unparsable-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 15:23:56 CET

Hello this is from Sweden. This is only a test
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From: jnomina@andy.bgsu.edu (A.P.K.)
Subject: Re: ProTerm 3.0/VT-100 emulator/vi editor
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:05:49 GMT


Why not just acclimatize one's self to using the 'h', 'j', 'k', and 'l'
keys... I have.  h is scroll left, j is down, k is up, and l is right.
pretty simple.  Oh yeah, control-f for forward scrolling in chunks and
control-b for backwards scolling in chunks.  Look at the mans, there
are quite a few obscure commands that can be used in vi, if one takes
the time to check them all out.

A.P.K.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: mvats@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mudit P Vats)
Subject: Re: ProTerm 3.0/VT-100 emulator/vi editor
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:05:15 GMT

In article <1ncnl-.derich@netcom.com> derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink) writes:
>YO, guys.
>
> I'm having a problem having my Proterm 3.0 emulate VT-100 on my APple IIGS
> When I use an UNIX editor (vi for example), it would not function the 
> up/down arrows and right and left arrows do strange things. That's why
> whenever I need to edit a file or to response alongside a reply, I use another
> computer. I much rather use my own.  Any ideas?
>
>
>- Scott


I don't know if there is a patch available for this or not, but the proper
control keys to press in order to achieve the up/down/right/left are the
following :

		up    - CONTROL-p
		down  - CONTROL-n
		left  - CONTROL-b
		right - CONTROL-f

		------------------

		p => previous
		n => next
		b => back
		f => forward

that should help........... later.
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From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: GS flow control
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 06:00:12 GMT

t_captain@bluemoon.rn.com (Tc Wilson) writes:

>As for using bit 5 of reg 3, not possible - I have to be able to get 
>return codes from the modem when it's not connected, and be able to read 
>BOTH dcd and cts when needed.

Are you quite _sure_ you need DCD? I mean, ok, it's convenient, but even
more so is "automagic" hardware handshake :). You could try to interprete
(sp?) the return messages you get, making sure you don't mistake a
NO CARRIER
with text after it as a real NO CARRIER ... but that is possible, as
PT3 shows.

Soenke
P.S.: Now, if Steve doesn't come up with his serial card pretty soon,
I have to dig out my plans for a 2*16550AFN card again. This is a
threat :)
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From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: Reply by email flame
Followup-To: comp.sys.apple2
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:50:28 GMT

it is traditional curtesy on Usenet that if one is asking for information,
one collects it via email and then posts it after a couple of weeks.  On
the other hand, if one has a topic which they wish to discuss, the topic
stays in public .  Some groups seem to be ultra hyper in favor of this
tradition - others seem to get bent out of shape against and others seem
to be mellow enough to handle either.

I would prefer to see us be mellow enough to allow folks of either ilk to
proceed at their own pace.  I personally prefer the email collection - frankly I
get tired of seeing the same topic discussed 300 times a month.
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From: deviant@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: tn and ftn on ftp.apple.com
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:50:43 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana


Can some one tell me if the tech notes and file tech notes on 
ftp.apple.com can be e-mailed to me?  I've been trying to use bitftp to 
get them but all I get back is a statement saying that BITFTP could not 
access ftp.apple.com.  I'd like to get these tech notes and the post 
earlier stating that both were in a binscii file was very tantalizing.

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From: rwifall@nmsu.edu (Richard J Wifall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Ramfast and Tape Backup units..
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:58:40 GMT
	<RWIFALL.92Aug25104447@dante.nmsu.edu>
	<1992Aug26.040841.24422@cco.caltech.edu>
Distribution: comp.sys.apple2
Organization: NMSU Computer Science

>Yep. Call CVT and bitch. Given their current driver scheme, all
volumes show
>up as block devices, and real backup programs aren't expecting that.
Most of
>them probably expect a SCSITAPE driver like Apple's. Hopefully they
can deal
>with something more generic like a character device, and CVT can make
a tape
>driver for GS/OS that supports it. There is not a simple solution to
your
>problem, and it is up to either Apple (hah) or CVT to do something
about it...

   I don't care about any of that.. I don't care what programs do and
do not backup to block devices... What I do care about, and want to
know is HOW to make my tape drive come up as un-write protected under
GS/OS..  (ie Finder, GNO, or any other program that uses GS/OS)  I can
handle the backing up myself.. I could write a program to do it if I
had too... I just want to know how to make the tape drive not come up
as write protected..  That's it..
					Richard
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From: dpb9209@winfo.fb5.Uni-Siegen.de (Christian Buchner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: MacroMind Dir. - Videorecorder
Date: 3 Sep 1992 08:23:19 GMT
Organization: University of Siegen
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dpb9209@winfo.fb5
NNTP-Posting-Host: winfo
Keywords: MacroMind Dir. - Videotape

Hello everybody,

I have a problem with MM Dir. XObjects help me to control a videorecorder,
connected with the Macintosh. To search a defined position on videotape I put 
a command in the script channel of the MM-film. The problem is: the timemarker
of the MM-film stays at the same frame, while the command is working. So it is
impossible to run the MM-film further at the same time. 

Does anybody knows a solution ? ?

christian
From: swiet@whatever.cs.jhu.edu (Alexander Swietlicki)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: ProTerm 3.0/VT-100 emulator/vi editor
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:42:28 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD

In article <1992Aug27.130515.8450@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mvats@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mudit P Vats) writes:
>
>I don't know if there is a patch available for this or not, but the proper
>control keys to press in order to achieve the up/down/right/left are the
>following :
>
>		up    - CONTROL-p = previous
>		down  - CONTROL-n = next
>		left  - CONTROL-b = back
>		right - CONTROL-f = forward
From: edward@pro-ren.cts.com (Edward Floden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Apple SCSI card
Date: 2 Sep 92 11:37:36 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Technological Renaissance Information eXchange

christarno@aol.com writes:

>I have an Apple SCSI card and I need to know if it is Rev. C.
>It has one EPROM that has a label with the following:
>
>     341-0437-A
>     (c) Apple '87

That's a revision C. Previous chip numbers were 341-0112-B and 341-0112-A.

>Also, anyone got any idea how to set the jumper block on the pins to id the
>board?

The position further to the rear, under the number '9', is ID 7. That's the
best place to put the jumper.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: gkomatsu@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Galen Tatsuo Komatsu)
Subject: Assembler for 8-bit
Organization: University of Hawaii at Manoa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 09:12:14 GMT

	What (good) assemblers are there available for a 128k enhanced //e?
I want to get around to learning how to program the 'lil 6502, and I don't
want to use the built in mini assembler.  (Gee, that ICS class I took
spoiled me... using MPW & Turbo Assember. =^)

	...and if you have a good one, wanna sell me it?  In particular I'd
like Merlin, it being one of the more notable ones and (from what I seem
to hear) one of the better ones too.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: dsdd@okcforum (Roy Barrett)
Subject: WANTED: StyleWriter
Originator: news@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:02:24 GMT

I will trade the top-of-the-line Panasonic KX-P 1124 for a StyleWriter, or I cangive $$$. Wanted badly and Fast!

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From: joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn)
Subject: Re: Blue Helmet & TimeLord
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:05:59 GMT


Ian - I didn't know that Blue Helmet crashed on the ROM3. It does end
abruptly on the ROM01, but it doesn;t crash.

Way back when I first got it, I sent it to Bill Heineman. He also has a
ROM3. It didn't work at all on his machine, until he completely disabled his
ZipGS.

I'd heard reports of another problem on ROM3's. At least, I think it only
happened on ROM3's. You couldn't turn to the left.

In the version that I uploaded to GEnie, CIS and c.b.a2, there's one small
patch I applied that should allow steering to the left on ROM3's. Since I
don't have a ROM3, I couldn;t personally test it out.

Maybe someone who downloads Blue Helmet from c.b.a2 with a ROM3 could let me
know if they can steer to the right. Thanks...

(Whoops. I meant steer to the left)

Joe Kohn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Subject: Re: New Apple PC
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:00:47 GMT

TMPLee@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL writes:

>News reports today say that Apple will announce a new computer for home
>use on Monday.  Anyone have any informed speculation as to what it might
>be?  (I would assume a stripped-down Mac of some kind, although I
>thought the low-end Mac was already about as stripped down as you can
>get.)

I'd expect it to be what the rumors indicated: a stripped down sub-mac intended
to compete with Commodore's CDTV, and doomed to fail at least as miserably as
the CDTV has...

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Subject: Re: Apple's Education sales & stats
Keywords: some interesting stats
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:58:24 GMT

philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:

>Hmm...these statistics are very odd. Do theyrefer to the number of computers
>sold in the 91/92 school year? Just to be clear here, were there 3 million
>computers sold to schools in the US during 91/92, and only 7.8% used the
>Finder (GS/Mac)? I find this just unbelievable. 

I don't... K-12 teachers are notoriously computer phobic; they are used to
sticking in disks and turning on the computer, not mousing around through
folders. Add to this that most school budgets preclude hard drives except
for administrators' systems -- networks and remote booting seem to be fairly
popular too, and there's a lot of interest in Ethernet AND TCP/IP.

>If these figures are to be believed, it would appear that schools are not 
>moving to the Finder but to PC's. This is most discouraging.

Precisely. We've know this would happen for years; I'd like to say I've tried
to warn Apple but the fact is I never got to talk to anyone in a position to
do anything about it...

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ cco.caltech.edu
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