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From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: moped vs moto
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:14:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.160916.22051@socrates.umd.edu> rowell@socrates.umd.edu (William Rowell) writes:
>Help me out here. A friend of mine has been debating with his girlfriend
>the merits of a motorcycle over those of a moped for his new mode of
>transportation. He is moving to LA and will be commuting to UCLA from
>the somewhere between there and San Diego. The basic argument so far is:
>
>Girlfriend: Mopeds are cheaper and some go 60 MPH
>Friend: Mopeds are dangerous on the highway.
>Girlfriend: You can take back-roads
>...

Yeesh.

0)  tell your friend to take the MSF course.  Before he buys a bike.
1)  Your friend needs a new girlfriend.
2)  mopeds won't go 60mph even if they're thrown over a cliff.
If he wants to ride from UCLA through Orange County, he needs at least
a 350, bigger if he's a big guy.  I used to live down there.  You
have to ride those freeways at 70+ mph to keep from getting crushed.
There are _no_ back roads, not if you want to get where you're going
the same week.


>The more opinions/facts I can support him with, the more likely he will be
>able to defeat her in this debate and by him a new mount! 

Geez, is this guy a jellyfish or something?  He should just
say "look at the new motorcycle I bought, dear.  Oh, you don't
like it?  Then you don't have to ride...."



>Oh, and by the way. Neither of them has ridden a motorcycle before.

See #0 above.


--
Eric Murray   ericm@microunity.com   Ride fast, die young, wear black leather.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: keller@hubble.ifa.hawaii.edu (Tim Keller)
Subject: Re: FJ bearing replacement 
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 08:23:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.045143.577@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>keller@hubble.ifa.hawaii.edu (Tim Keller) writes:
>
>I haven't needed to mess with my FJ's wheel bearings yet, but I'll give
>it a shot. Maybe one of the real "old timers" can be more help.
>
>
>It sounds like you're trying to push both bearings out from one side or
>the other, right? If the FJ wheel is like all the others I've seen it
>doesn't work like that. There's a shoulder inboard of each bearing, so the
>only way to get the bearing out is to reach through the hub and drive it
>out from the inside. If you're trying to push both bearings all the way
>through the hub, you're bottoming out on that shoulder. With a hefty
>press, there is a chance you could damage your wheel, so take a close
>look once you get it apart.
>-- 
I finally got them out after my post by doing just what you mention. I used the
press to push them both as far as they could go, then I was able to move the
spacer for the inner races to one side and tap one out using the inner race.
The thing that irritates me about it is the service manual which says "only
tap on the outer race". Just how are you supposed to be able to tap on the
outer race with a spacer between the inner races?
	I design bearing housings all the time and once I saw the spacer in 
there I assumed that at most there would be 1 shoulder to located the bearings
outer race, and the spacer would locate the other bearing without relying on
another shoulder to support the outer race. At least,I figured, they allowed
enough space to push on one side until the bearing on the opposite side would
come out, then you could turn it over and push the other bearing out. Otherwise
there is no real (read *easy*) way to get them out.
	Once I got them out I saw that the spacer has a flange pressed on it
to locate the spacer relative to one of the shoulders. Neither bearing 
contacts the shoulder at all. So why didn't the just bore it out far enough
on one side to allow you to push one completely out? All it needs is another
inch or so. 
	If any other FJ owners  are thinking of replacing the bearings by
themselves, be forewarned that the sevice manual will not help you out. Also
be aware that those buggers are a light press fit, and it will take you a
while to tap it out. If, on the other hand, you are a glutton for punishment,
by all means do it yourself :-)
Tim.
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: A question.
Date: 16 Sep 92 03:30:16 GMT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1992Sep14.211121.9389@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>   Was I at fault? 

no.

>   Should we have slowed when we saw him fall back?

no.

>   What's the right thing to have done?

before the ride, you should have said, "if we get ahead of you, we'll
wait for you at the intersections before we turn.  don't worry about 
keeping up, because we don't mind waiting."

each person is responsible for their own riding.

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: stafford@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What's a Stroker
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:39:38 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System


	The only way to increase stroke is to change the
	crank.  My friend Greg, the pro Harley dragracer
	had a dynamically self-modifying crank which provided 
	a stroke length greater than the capacity of the cases.
	In this 'design', the limiting factor was the proximity
	of the earth to the engine.  It only worked once and
	was a serendipitous invention which emerged as a consequence
	of nitrosaturated oil and very loose valve guides.
From: ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ambitions of a (relatively) new rider
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:51:25 GMT
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division

(Ben Cox) writes:
>ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine) writes:
>
>>Wow. That's deep.
>
>Thanks.

Would you *please* retain the *context* of this thread? Sheesh! Yet again
I underestimate the depths, I mean, just how dirty-minded you people are,
while I, an innocent, young explorer of new ideas, would never stoop so low.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine    DoD #275
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: djm@morpheus.wustl.edu (David Maconochie)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: WANTED CBR600
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:26:24 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: morpheus.wustl.edu

Preferably near St Louis area.
A 1990 or earlier CBR600.  Low mileage, clean machine preferred.
Did I get bored with the K1?
David Maconochie.
E-mail please, DJM@morpheus.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BMW Wobbles
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:11:09 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

Re: Wobbling in turns ('81 BMW R100RS)

Argh!  Forget it!  Perhaps the wobbling is normal.  Maybe
I just cannot assume the posted speed limit is 50% of the
actual.  

john 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: Chain Problem Update (Flagellation Special - Buy Now!!)
Keywords: test, please, ignore
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:19:18 GMT

>% 
>
>   Mmmm....  JRW can look forward  to having the chain wrap itself  around
>   the nearest available object  (his leg, passenger's leg,  swinging-arm,
>   shock, etc, etc) in very much the same way as a whip will wrap around a
>   pole.  The main difference is that there tends to be a tad more  weight
>   associated with the chain.
>
>   Depending on which sprocket (if either) the chain is still attached to,
>   the drive from either the  engine or the rear  wheel will then rip  his
>   leg off (or do  some entertaining things to  some of those metal  parts
>   which he always thought were un-bendable).
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  | John Little  - gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM  - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan | 
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------

So, are you saying I should replace the chain?   :) 

Man, you guys are subtle (pronounced sub-tul)

Jack Waters II

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ Make no Mistake, I am the Red Fishnet.         ~
~                                DoD#1919        ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



P.S.  People don't want no flatulation specials









Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: edw@boi.hp.com (Edward Walsh)
Subject: Re: Helmet Law Editorial
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:36:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley) writes:
: justifications, and some bullshit on both sides of the issue. I've tried 
: to inform myself as well as I can on the issue, and while there are all 
: kinds of studies demonstrating the safety benefits of helmet laws (and if 
: you don't believe this, YOU are the reason helmet laws are needed), there 

Steve, I wear my helmet virtually all the time....I think the only time I
did not was once or twice while troubleshooting for "funny noises" from
my older bike. But at the GPNWDG while on the road up  Mt.St.Helens in the midst
of all that awesome desolation, I felt that my helmet, while having a relatively
unrestricted view opening, did not allow me to do proper justice to the area in 
seeing what there was all about me and I decided I was going to ride back down,
taking it easy, but doing it sans helmet. A half mile later I realized Washing-
ton was a helmet law state. I have not felt such intense anger at people like
you telling me how I should run my life in a long time. Its people like you who
support helmet laws instead of rider education who cause emotional hurt to 
the individuals who ride. And one of those people is now me.
------------------------------Edward Walsh----Hewlett-Packard Company-------
                              edw@boi.hp.com  Disk Memory Division, MS213
                              (208)323-2174   P.O. Box 39  Boise,Idaho 83707
                              FJ1200'89,XZ550RJ(Vision)'82,DoD#98
From: dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Motorcycle Blue Book?
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:40:38 GMT
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute


So where is the mysterious Blue Book for motorcycles found? The friendly woman
at AAA didn't have one, and didn't know where I should look. (I'm looking for
the value of a 1977 Suzuki GS750, in case someone has the book sitting next to
his/her terminal.)

Thanx,
Dan
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Voters Guide (Part 1/2 -- State Assembly)
Date: 13 Sep 92 21:12:19 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association

In article <1992Sep12.035551.23316@morrow.stanford.edu> karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:
+I really dislike single-issue voting of the sort Paul seems
+to be advocating.  I'll second his recommendation that
+we all vote, but please vote based on a full consideration
+of the candidates' positions.

I do not (intend to) push single-issue voting.  I am also against it.
However, I do feel that motorcyclist's rights is an important cause
if you wish to keep motorcycling.  Therefore, I consider it a very
important issue when weighing one candidate against the other.
I presented this list as a public service so that the net peoples
can see which of "them" are pro "us".

If there was a misunderstanding of my post, perhaps it was because of
my zeal.
____________________________________________________________________________
 Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, KD6LAA
            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
From: TJM@MATH.AMS.ORG (Tom Maloney)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: equal opportunity cheesecake
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:57:50 GMT

In talk.bizarre, cj writes:

	My motorcycle class starts tonight.  Classroom on 
	Wednesday nights, riding on Saturdays.  OH BOY!

	I started preparing by buying every motorcycle magazine
	I could find.  I bought one for Harley riders that has
	tons of photos of actual women (not models) lifting their
	shirts to show off their tits.  Apparently voluntarily.
	There were no comparable luscious pec displays, though.

	I wonder if there's a market for magazines featuring bits 
	of male beef posing (semi-)nude on Harleys.  I'd buy 'em.

	---
	c j silverio
	equal opportunity cheesecake

Two points:

1. cj, you didn't crosspost to rec.moto, rec.moto.harley,
   rec.moto.nude or alt.pecs.wanted!

2. Get those scanners going out there! Send the gifs to
   cerritos. There's plenty of beefcake (well, beef anyway)
   the among the Denizens. When there's enough, we can market
   "the men of the DoD" magazine. I FEEL a great NEED.

Tom Maloney/tjm@math.ams.org/American Math Society Providence, RI/401.455.4020
           DoD #614 / 1980 Kawasaki KZ440B / KoTDoD (Dumpy old Dual)

     "Brakes just slow you down and increase your lap times dramatically."
                                                      - Stefan Fielding-Isaacs
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis)
Subject: Re: Accident Report!!!
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 06:25:40 GMT

In <186tmjINNt2m@agate.berkeley.edu> zyang@danskin.berkeley.edu (ZIJIANG YANG) writes:

>Oh, not my turn!
> but here you go:

[stuff deleted]

>The engine was still running while the bike lay on the ground. I didn't
>have time
>to worry about the bike too much, 

There is something seriously wrong with this statement...

>though I knew the fairing of the bike must
>have been damaged, before I feel this acute pain on my left knee...

>Fortunately that my bones aren't broken, the pain was from the huge
>damage of my
>skin. I was wearing leather jacket, but only regular paints. The paints are 
>completely ripped at the knee.

Same happened to me - wearing tracksuit pants. Ouch! I hear vitamin E cream
is the best thing for reducing scarring - wish I'd known this before...

Good to see you're otherwise OK though...

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>| Zijiang Yang           |   Honda Magna 86 700cc, Kawasaki 89 EX500   |
>|                        |   Dod # 582                                 |
>| zyang@kuhn.berkeley.edu|   "When he gets money, he wants to buy toys"|
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

Shckwish!
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BAD JOKES
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 13 Sep 1992 20:12:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <1903ebINN687@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mick@cs.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
wrote:
> 
> In article <dbc-120992132510@b62003.student.cwru.edu>, dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson) writes:
> |> 
> |> | Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834     | DoD #207  AMA
> |> #573534|
> |> | Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci. dept.| KotNML  /  KotB     
> |> |
> |> | "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get | '81 CB750C          
> |> |
> |> | nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111              | '88 Bianchi Limited 
> |> |
> 
> 
> 	does this happen only on my screen???
> 
> 	;)
> 
> 	- ravi

No, newswatcher is a pain in the ass.  It tells you you can use a full
80 char for a sig, and then pukes at anything over 75...

| Dean Cookson / dbc@po.cwru.edu / 216 754-1834 | DoD #207  AMA #573534|
| Case Western Reserve U. Computer E. and Sci.  | KotNML  /  KotB      |
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never | '81 CB750C           |
| get nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111      | '88 Bianchi Limited  |
From: kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Like fast even.
Summary: Hmmm.
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:12:22 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Sep14.155511.18803@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
 
] So I run into these two ZX_11's Sat about noon on the tollway.
                          ^^^^^           
] We were cruisin about 130 mph when what appears by the concrete median
] but a state cop.

] =============================================================================
]  Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. There ain't no more.
                            ^^^^^
] =============================================================================

Is 11 faster than 10?

Well, its _one_ faster, isn't it?

Why don't you make _10_ the fastest and only have it go to 10, and
make _10_ the fastest?

But this one goes to _11_.


 
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From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Thoreau would have been proud
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Reply-To: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 03:48:45 GMT

Perhaps peaceful civil disobedience CAN make a difference, at least if it's
organized:

From _Easyriders_ magazine, Feb. 1992, p. 20.  Reproduced without permission
(typos mine):

                  "Washington:  Bikers, 10--Helmets, 0"

                              by Maestro

  As a route to a class action suit against the Washington helmet law, 10
members of the Okanogan County "Freedom Fighters" Chapter of ABATE of
Washington deliberately got tickets for riding bare-headed.  Represented by
Attorney Owen Gardener, they all went to court.

  Idiotic though it may be, the Washington helmet law exempts a rider from
wearing a helmet if his motorcycle is equipped with a "rollbar" and a seat
belt.  Allen Fisher and Harry Tomlin reckoned the standard Harley-Davidson
"crash bars" on their FLH bikes qualified as a rollbar, and a junkyard seat
belt completed the exemption.  The judge agreed and dismissed their tickets.

  For the bors without rollbars and seat belts, the judge continued their
cases for six months.  If they don't get any helmet tickets during that time,
their tickets will also be dismissed.  That's not total victory, but it is
encouraging.

  For his own part, fisher rode off from the county court and promptly got a
ticket in the city of Omak.  He's in the process of appealling that one up to
the state Supreme Court.  Help him out, ABATE bros.  It's not his fight alone.
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114  KotHLF    1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide (She lives!)
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	            (I need another bike for this space!)

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka)
Subject: Re: Waving with meaning..?
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 22:05:59 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services

In article <1992Sep7.141431.25450@ugle.unit.no> Roar.Larsen@termo.unit.no (Roar Larsen) writes:
>According to this system, a wave with the hand _above_ the handlebars
>means just a friendly acknowledgement of fellow bikers, while a wave
>with the hand _below_ the handlebars means: "Danger - drive legally!!"
...
>Do you guys "over there" (or anywhere else, for that matter) do anything 
>at all similar? Maybe we could start a tradition on this??

  We guys "over damm" do whatever the Harley riders do, which is by
definition the only way to not look like a fool.  Besides, I've
never been waved at by anyone who wasn't on a Harley.
  No, I don't own a Harley.
  Bob Pasker posted something that Paul Thompson posted about hand
signals on 4 Sep under "Riding in Groups."  I'd repost it, but the
list of credits would swamp my editor.  _That_ article mentioned
tapping your head for cops because no one could figure out what
it meant, and a particular positioning of the hand while below the bars
to mean "slow."  It's not just where you put the hand, but what you
do with it.  The "turn around quickly, chase me down and try to
kill me" signal wasn't listed, but it isn't grossly different.
From: dickwin@sequent.com (Dick Winningstad)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: HERE I AM! LOOK AT ME! I'M MAKING A BIG NOISE! I'M SPECIAL!
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:17:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Sep14.231721.12244
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <1992Sep14.153751.18917@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.230029.23786@sequent.com> dickwin@sequent.com (Dick Winningstad) writes:
>>You people that ride bikes that are not so quiet get up an yell at
>>at these whiners! Bikes are for experiencing the world! They are for
>
>How can you experience the world if you can't hear it?
>

I went past a previous atricle so this is not an exclusive reply to
the one above.

If you are talking about an open megaphone 115 db+ noise, then you
have a point.  I object to criticism of mufflers that allow the sound
of the engine to come through such as Conti Mufflers or Bub copies on
Ducatis.  Demanding a drop from 100 to 85 db for instance reduces the
bike from a motorcycle sound to a vacum cleaner sound.  We are getting
to the point where background noise in the city is louder.  This is
dumb.  As for hoping to placate the noise nazis;  no way.  They will
not be happy until everything is as quiet as a spring morning on a
placid lake and that will not happen until all motor vehicle are
outlawed.  Take a hint from the gun owners and their problems with
reasonable laws to limit their rights.  It is the same for
motorcyclists in many respects.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+Dick Winningstad                                                    +
+                    Italian Wines are Fine                          +
+          I'd rather be on a Moto Guzzi in eastern Oregon.          +
+          Fourth gear curves at 7000 RPM are the greatest!          +
+dickwin@sequent.com                                                 +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: spindler@emr1.emr.ca (Chris Spindler)
Subject: Re: key fobs
Summary: Yep.
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:39:41 GMT

Yes! 'Fob'-ulous idea!

-- 
                Chris Spindler - Seismologist @ Large       
   '91 550 Zephyr    - - - - - - - -  o    Never ascribe to malice       
   '91 K75RT       - - - - - - - -  _/\_>    what is easily explained    
    DoD #6371    - - - - - - - -   O,> / O     by stupidity.
From: jwills@ISI.EDU (Jerry Wills)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Like fast even.
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:44:25 GMT
	<1992Sep14.155511.18803@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
	<Sep.14.16.12.19.1992.23244@remus.rutgers.edu>
Organization: USC-ISI
In-reply-to: kretz@remus.rutgers.edu's message of 14 Sep 92 20:12:22 GMT

In article <Sep.14.16.12.19.1992.23244@remus.rutgers.edu> kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz) writes:
   In article <1992Sep14.155511.18803@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:

   ] So I run into these two ZX_11's Sat about noon on the tollway.
			     ^^^^^           
   ] We were cruisin about 130 mph when what appears by the concrete median
   ] but a state cop.

   ] =============================================================================
   ]  Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. There ain't no more.
			       ^^^^^
   ] =============================================================================

  >Is 11 faster than 10?

	No Shit

  >Well, its _one_ faster, isn't it?

	But on what scale?

  >Why don't you make _10_ the fastest and only have it go to 10, and
  >make _10_ the fastest?

	11 nickname, Spinal Tap, 
	and that line is for 2

  >But this one goes to _11_.

	more like 175 :^)

			Jerry Wills 
I'll have enough POWER when I can spin the tires at the end of the straight!
89 FJ, 83 Le Mans III Kit   DoD#500  KotF (Flag)   Mark Donahue, about 917's
USC/Information Sciences Institute  (USC/ISI)  SoCal (310) 822-1511 x 236

You done violated Physics, BOY!    Assume the position..... (Rider 5/92)


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