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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: London in July?
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 06:59:50 GMT


In article <2640@pyrltd.UUCP> jimmya@pyrltd.UUCP (Nigel
Whitfield) writes:

>In article <29E32DEA.10932@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu
>(Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:

>>I recommend it mainly because of its central location --
>>you won't find anything more central than that charging
>>under 10 pounds...

>Under 10 pounds?  I would have thought that you'd be
>looking at well over three times that for a hotel room these
>days (though I must admit that I don't tend to stay in
>hotels.)

Nigel doesn't even stay at home; all he does is work! :-)

It's been not quite a year since I was in London.  Pounds
were then about $1.70.  For planning purposes, most things
there seem to cost about the same number of pounds as they
would cost in dollars over here.  Finding a hotel room in
central London for 30 pounds a night would be a real
bargain; twice that would not be seen as outrageous.  I paid
$78/night at the Willows in SF in January this year.  Last
May I paid 55 pounds for a hotel room my last night in
Britain (Glasgow) for a medium-quality place.

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From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: Born Again Virgin (Re: Pride Parades)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:22:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.225254.405@news.unomaha.edu> ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>In <jgefpvs@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com writes:
>
>> In article <1992Apr13.143752.92825@watson.ibm.com> jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
>> 
>> >on second thought, RIP UP MY QUEER CARD -- then i can be a closetted
>> >virgin again, ripe for picking...
>> 
>> Honey, It ain't that easy....
>
>...or that desirable. (Do you remember how *boring* virginity was? *shudder*)


No, I don't remember....


Too far into my past....




FWA
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From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Pride events this summer
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:46:50 GMT

junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka) writes:

>fax0405@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart) writes:

>>   SAN FRANCISCO's gay pride festival is the weekend of June 27-28.

>So it conincides with the New York City's one. I'm afraid I'll be in NYC
>if everything goes according to the plans.

Hmm, I suppose LOS ANGELES' is June 27-28 too? Does anyone know? And if they
do, will they please post the info? Last year, Dean and I attended LA's,
then, SF's. This year I want him to experience the NY parade. But the LA one
is fun, too.

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. 
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Birth Control is disgusting--people using each other for pleasure."
                               Randall Terry, Chairman, Operation Rescue.
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From: anon@spdcc.com (Anonymous Forwarded Article)
Subject: Paul Cadmus, Midtown Payson Gallery (NYC), until April 18
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:42:20 GMT

	If you're in New York this Friday or Saturday you might like
    the Paul Cadmus show at the Midtown Payson galleries (look it up
    under M--it's on 5th Ave just above 58, the number is something
    like 475). The artist in in his 80's now, and was once rather
    controversial--his WPA-funded "The Fleet's In!" caused big fuss in
    the 1930's. (Xerox copies of relevant articles are available at the
    gallery--mostly of interest for what they omit). There are also
    works from the 40's and very recent reactions to censorship. The
    artist uses egg tempera, and crams his pictures with detail. My
    favorite isn't hung with the exhibition--peer into the office area
    that's to the left of "The Fleet's In!" for "The House that Jack
    Built" (or possibly a poster)--it's described in another catalog,
    which can be consulted at the front desk.

	For more on Paul Cadmus--check your library for a video made
    around 1984, when the artist turned 80. It's sometimes shown on
    PBS.
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Get Fat! Re: Exercise (Was Re: ... laundry?)
Date: 8 Apr 1992 18:10:05 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr8.204027.6901@uoft02.utoledo.edu> 
fax0405@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart) writes:
| In article <1992Apr6.114450.26547@ircam.fr> 
| francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis) writes:
|
| > 8) A certain Jewish deli-restaurant in a certain area on Fairfax;
| > Chicken Kreplach; Matzo-ball soup; Dr. Brown's Cream Soda; Meatloaf;
|
|          True afficianados of Jewish delis would know that the
|          preferred flavor is Dr. Brown's CELERY Soda.  Nor do you
|          have to be a Native New Yorker to find it -- I have seen
|          it in delis in Toledo and Akron, OH!

I suspect Jojo is thinking of Canter's on Fairfax -- he's certainly
described their food.  And Canter's (plug plug) does have a 24-hour-
a-day bakery.  My ex-boyfriend and I used to go there two or three
times a week (where else can you get kishka at 3 in the morning in
LA?).  I'd always order a Coke and Howard would always order a Dr.
Brown's Cream Soda, which our favorite elderly waitress ("Rose" it said 
in red rhinestones on her name tag) always referred to as "Jewish Coke".
("...one tongue on rye, one Coke, and one Jewish Coke.  Would you boys 
like anything else?")

| > Patty Melts; Club Sandwitches; 24-hour-a-day bakery;
|   ^^^^^^^^^^^
|          I trust that you do not hold yourself to a glatt kosher diet!

Who could?  There is a glatt kosher Mexican restaurant nearby for those 
who like that sort of thing.

| > Eating is an exhausing activity, and yo must prepare yourself for it.
|          I'll eat to that!
....
|         B4 t+ w- g s+ k
                ^^
Eat something, Gary, you're so thin!

Arne
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From: wjudmaie@isis.cs.du.edu (Werner Judmaier)
Subject: Trip to NY city - Could anybody give me some advice?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 05:50:12 GMT

Subject: NY - can somebody help me?                                            
                                                                               
I have to go on a business trip to New York City the weekend                   
after Easter and will stay there for one week. Beeing from a rather
boring place in central Europe I'd like to experience the 'scene'              
in that big city. I am very fond of masculine men, some leather                
and also black guys.
From what is known here, NY seems to be a rather dangerous place.
So I'd apreciate some hints from insiders where to go, and more
important where not to go to. Maybe anybody could give me some
information or even contact adresses. I'd really apreciate.
Thanks - Juwe calling from  Austria
For replies you can use the above adress or:
C54101@u1.uibk.ac.at
                                                                               
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From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: Crusades (was Re: Deletions)
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 04:49:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.235803.10726@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>, aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno) writes:


>Actually, Furr spurns every system save his own favorite Amiga. He is  
>unswayed by the popularity of DOS/Windows, the native appeal of the  
>Macintosh, the power of NextStep or the charming (#$&#^%!) eccentricities  
>of the various X flavors. Don't knock the characteristic... if only lovers  
>were so faithful!
>:-)
>
>-Anthony
>

I knew there was something about George that I liked!!! 

>unswayed by the popularity of DOS/Windows

Nirvana is popular too. :P


Shawn
Proud Amiga owner.
Favorite quote: "Back in '85 my Amiga was juggling windows like a pro when
                 MSDOS still thought the world could fit in 650K"
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From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: Con '92 Housing
Organization: University of Maryland
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:26:00 GMT


Mara Chibnik (mara@panix.com), who 
is *such* a thoughtful guest, wrote:

> jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>  >Joseph Francis (francis@ircam.fr) wrote:
>   >> Actually, I'm an excellent guest, I think: neat, clean, quiet or noisy
>   >> as preferred, I cook dinners, cleanup, and don't leave whiskers in
>   >> the sink.
>  >In that case, keep in mind that Washington D.C. has very
>  >convenient connections for most international flights.
>  >I'm alway ready to have an such a thoughtful guest--and my
>  >hospitality is cordial.
> 
> I can vouch for that (although I've never shared his futon).

Thanks for the kind words and the discretion--what *would*
people think?  [References available upon request.]

> In fact, so eager is he to greet his guests that he's been 
> known to show show up three hours early.

All part of maintaining my absent-minded-scientist mystique.

>  (Not fair; 'twas a misunderstanding and my error more than
>  his that made it happen, but it seemed worth mentioning.) 
> Of course, I did bring my resident moustache, which probably
> accounted for some of the eagerness.  ;-)

You're too kind, and it was WELL worth the wait!  [George the
Modest, of course, knows *precisely* what we're talking about.]

> We saw the crocuses by starlight.....

But were they as good as the snowdrops?  [Somehow, I feel 
that *our* travel stories don't have the....pizzazz of
Tsilke's or FJ!!'s.]

> [Well, Jeff, does this make up for the time you put in at
> New Carrollton on Friday afternoon?]

The pleasure of your company, of course, was more than
adequate recompense.

[Not to mention all the hot, moustachioed commuters -- the
 minutes *flew* by.]

--jns
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?
Date: 9 Apr 92 05:14:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr9.051438.13936
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Apr9.022005.4461@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>>Madonna exploits everything. The fact that she is exploiting us homos
>>is a sign that we are winning.
>	Hmmmmm.. seems to me it's an indication that exploitation of
>GBLO*-folks is contributing to the shock-value of her um, publicity
>and therefore her paycheck.   Let's face it - when it becomes passe
>and something else has more marketing potential we'll be dropped to
>the side faster than you can say "pet rock".

I don't doubt you that Madonna will drop queers if we stop being
lucrative for her. And I don't doubt that as gays and lesbians become
more acceptable to "mainstream" society, we'll be less lucrative,
less sensational.

But I want to make sure we understand that the point here is that
while queer's *are* shocking, they are shocking in a nice way. If
Madonna were interested in being really shocking she'd use something
that produced that effect - animal sex advocates, for example.

Queers are a nice kind of shock. Her audience largely does not have an
anti-gay bias inherent in them, so when they see something like two
men kissing in her movie they think "wow, that's kinda weird", but in
a warm fuzzy way.

Plus, gay men inherently dance better - we might not have inherent
rhythm, but we have inherent *style*. :)
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/   You're free, so anything could happen, so happy birthday
From: huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Kathryn Huxtable)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Short Schrift
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:32:04 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Apr4.023605.20000@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu
    (Jess Anderson) writes:
> In article <1992Apr4.013122.12984@u.washington.edu>
> rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld) writes:
>>And I agree that virtually all of his women
>>characters are a sandwich short of a picnic.
> 
> At any rate, what other wonderful phrases are lurking about
> in the general vein of "not all it should be?"

One of Linda's uncles says that someone "is two flakes shy
of a Post Toastie."

-- 
Kathryn Huxtable              \   "Women who laugh too much, and the women
huxtable@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu   /\   who love them." --- Jamie Anderson
From: dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: ST:TNG -- The Outcast
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:23:30 GMT
Organization: US West NewVector, Bellevue, WA

In article <RFRyHB5w164w@batpad.lgb.CA.US> mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor) writes:
:
:I didn't like the ending either.  I'm with Amanda - a lot of nitwits
:are going to think this was "the gay episode," and bravo for Paramount
:taking the stand that fags can be cured.  Watch r.a.s.* - you'll see!

I was left with the feeling that those most in need of a clue 
would not get any from this episode.

:I thought this episode was another example of invisibility.  For all
:the heavy handed allegory, not one of the humans ever thought to
:mention the parallel to our society today.  Heaven forbid one of the
:protagonists should ever mention the "H" word.  Like in Riker's plea
:to the council that was passing judgement on the woman; not a big
:stretch for him to have said something like "In the history of my
:people, we had a problem like this, and the people who were attracted
:to their own gender were thought to be sick, too.  We learned that we
:were wrong about that."

I *waited* for Ryker to say *something*.  He had two opportunities.
The writers, after writing such an impassioned (it really said it all)
plea by the accused, blew it with Ryker.

:Paramount is run by a bunch of weenies.

Nail - head - BANG!




     Donn Pedro ...................{uunet, sequent, pn400}!uswnvg!dfpedro.

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From: jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam)
Subject: Re: Pride Parades
Organization: The Museum of Differential Geometry
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 00:58:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.141458.3360@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:

>My first couple of pride parades were in San Francisco; I thought
>*that* parade was large.  Then I went to my first NY parade - 
>and was awed.  Not that there aren't many reasons to prefer
>other parades in other places - but to quote JoJo, quantity has
>a quality all its own.  There's a part of 5th Avenue which is
>a little lower than the part north and the part south, and standing
>there and looking up and then down the avenue and realizing the
>just how many of us there were in that one area....  I don't
>have the words to describe it.  I felt powerful, and protected,
>and safe.  And terribly, terribly festive.  It's the one day
>of the year that I permit, nay encourage, complete strangers
>to slide their hand up my shorts and feel me up.

I've never been to the San Francisco Parade, but have attended
Pride events in Albany, New Hampshire (are they still doing 
that?), and Albuquerque.  Still the moments I remember are 
mostly from NY.  The last one I went to I was on Fifth Ave.
when the time came for a silent remembrance for those lost from
aids.  This canyon of a street, bouncing all the noise back 
from the buildings on both sides, people yelling, bands playing,
people as far as you could see in either direction.  Then all
was suddenly quiet.  It was eerie, this street, which almost
_needs_ noise suddenly silent.  Even the people waiting in their
cars on cross streets seemed to sense it and there were only a
few horns honking.  I think we were all thinking of lost friends.
Then the time passed and you could hear the wall of noise coming
up from the south end of the street and it was time to be proud
again and to marvel just a bit at what we had done yet another
Sunday in June.  And it was time for the living to celebrate.

-- 
jefu@jupiter.nmt.edu  -- Jeff Putnam, New Mexico Tech, Socorro, NM
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GLB+ hangouts on the Internet
From: mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 13:13:03 PDT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

> In article <muBwiB2w164w@batpad.lgb.CA.US> mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batche
> >Where are some places that are favorite hangouts for GLB* folks?
> 
> Isn't the Internet grand?

And confusing... :)

> FTP is one service available.. There is the Queer FTP archive which
> until recently was located at cambridge.apple.com, but just moved.
> There's spdcc.com, from whence you can FTP the graven images of
> motssers. Anyone know of any other GLB* ftp archives?

Unfortunately, I have no FTP at this login.  It is a plain 2400 E71
dialup maintained by a local college, and I can only telnet from the
VAX there.  But it's free, and better than a sharp stick in the eye!

> I don't know anything about Internet-accessible bulletin boards,
> because the Usenet is good enough for me. There are bound to be some
> out there.

Already discovered After Five, a MUD with a Bourbon Street theme.

> can get to IRC by telnetting to bradenville.andrew.cmu.edu. Run the
> command "/join #gblf" to get to the gay channel, and then ask for help.

I telnetted there last night, but didn't seem to be able to do
anything.  I'll try your suggestion.

> And if you an X terminal on the internet, you should play the game
> xtrek. It's great. Read "rec.games.netrek" for info.

Not yet, but later this year, after I get DESQview/X installed, I'll
certainly get the SLIP package for it if I can find a system I can
dialup to.  That's right - MSDOS now has a multitasking X-window
system, SLIP, FTP and Telnet capable.

Thanks for the tips, Nelson!



[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor -- mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US -- cerritos.edu!batpad!mike
[] Long Beach, California
[] TNG Quote: "You were travelling in close formation at over 80,000 kph, only
[] 10 meters from Cadet Albert, and you didn't even know his orientation?!?"
From: dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Blumbergs 'vote'.Re: troublesome postings
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:02:36 GMT
Organization: US West NewVector, Bellevue, WA

In article <1992Mar26.015820.11999@cis.ohio-state.edu> amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>in article <1992Mar25.162226.14132@hemlock.cray.com> steven@cray.com
>(steven levine) writes, about postings that pass on homophobic
>rantings from elsewhere:
>
> >..Yes, they bother me a whole hell of a lot.  It is not possible
> >to read them without, in some way, expending energy in response...
>
>for me, it is long past impatience; it is despair, and fury.  

>i want to
>chat, to fool around, to tell stories.
>
>when people insist that i can't have this space, i get very angry.
>
>i *don't* have to like it. 
>arnold

Bryan,

Another 'vote'.

But who's counting.



     Donn Pedro ...................{uunet, sequent, pn400}!uswnvg!dfpedro.
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Responding to Bigots
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 23:31:22 GMT


In article <Fe43iB1w164w@batpad.lgb.CA.US>
mike@batpad.lgb.CA.US (Mike Batchelor) writes:

>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>> bisekshals.  Some probably come because what they really
>  ^^^^^^^^^^

>For a moment there, I thought this was a Jewish epithet...

Nah, that's bishekels, queer money in Israel.

-- 
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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Mini Film Festival
Date: 8 Apr 1992 09:56:29 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr7.232205.6607@csrd.uiuc.edu> 
hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:
+ adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
+
+ >          "Orientations" (Fung; 1984)  3:30 p.m.
+
+ I assume this is Richard Fung, who also made the hilarious "Chinese
+ Characters", a look at representations of Asians in gay male porn.

Yes, it is Richard Fung.  I missed "Chinese Characters" the last
(perhaps only?) time I knew it was being shown.

I can't tell you how odd it is to see, in the official faculty/staff
newspaper of record, a large photo of Annie Sprinkle with the following
caption:

   As Paul Verhoeven's film _Basic Instinct_ fuels a heated debate
   over political correctness with respect to issues of sexuality,
   a three-day free campus film festival sponsored by USC's Gay and
   Lesbian Assembly for Student Support explores attitudes and taboos
   in "Sexuality and Politics."  Pop sexologist Annie Sprinkle takes
   an irreverent look at some unusual practices in Maria Beatty's film
   _The Sluts and Goddesses of Transformation Salon_.  It screens at
   1 p.m. on Sunday in Lucas Instructional Building, Room 108.

The world really has changed.

Arne
From: buckmr@RPI.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Arthur Ashe
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:18:59 GMT

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To: drum@concert.net
cc: gaynet@athena.mit.edu
Subject: Arthur Ashe
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 12:18:59 -0400
From: buckmr


Arthur Ashe says he most likely contracted HIV in 1983 during his second open
heart surgery. They were not aware that anything was wrong until part of his
brain tissue was biopsied during a  brain surgery in 1988, when it was 
discovereed he had toxoplasmosis, one of the diseases that lead to a definition
of ``having AIDS''. They took a blood test and it was found to be HIV+.

So, he has had HIV since around 1983 and AIDS since 1988.

Arthur Ashe was the first African-American *male* to win a grand slam tennis
tournament. I believe there was an African-American woman who won a grand
slam event. [Forgot her name]
- ---
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. 
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
Samuel R. Delany, Jodie Foster, Barry Diller, Martina Navratilova, k. d. lang,
Audre Lorde, David Geffen, Bob Jackson-Paris, Greg Louganis, Whitney Houston.

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From: black@lester.sybase.com (Christina Black [Chris])
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Lip synching and stuff
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:49:13 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

> ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>A little question: What music causes you to lip-synch shamelessly when
>noone else is around (or even in public)?

Dolly Parton, _Think About Love_.  Turns me instantly from a butch dyke
to a screaming queen.  

	When you think about love
	Think about me.
	I can give you more than you'll ever need.
	Sooner or later every heart
	Needs some company.
	When you think about love
	Think about me.

Those lyrics, and the opportunity to mimic her babydoll voice . . .
sends shivers up and down me.

-- Chris (black@sybase.com)
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