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From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Best/Worst PAD
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:05:25 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Apr8.210725.15450@Princeton.EDU> ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar) writes:
>Maybe this is saying the same thing, but I think Peter David's greatest
>weakness is when he lets the humor/dialogue/cliches (which is his strength,
>IMHO) overwhelm everything else in the book.  So far, his X-Factor and Hulk
>work has kept the humor in check, and even harnessed it perfectly at some
>points.

I agree totally.  I thought his sense of humor has worked fine in many of
his Spider-Man stories and his Hulk stories, even, as you say, harnessing it
to work for the the story as a whole.  On the other hand, I found his humor
to be completely out of place in Dreadstar.

One thing that I thought was interesting about Atlantis Chronicles was the
near-absence of David's trademark sense of humor, at least , it was absent
relative to just about everything else I've read by him.

I think that one of his other greatest strengths is to be able to write
concise stories in one-to-four issues, making them complete in and of
themselves, and yet still integrate them into a larger story arc (which is
complete unto ITself, but much longer).  In an era of comics where stories
often go on for dozens of issues (with varying degrees of success; Dave Sim
pulls it off, as in _Jaka's_Story_, while Legion Of Super-Heroes has been
tripping over its feet in many ways for two years), that's an ability
which I really admire and appreciate.

-- 
Michael Rawdon
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From: paladin@wpi.WPI.EDU (Ever Shifting Bearlike being...)
Subject: Re: More on Rogue
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:00:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.091002.1@skcla.monsanto.com> jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>Speaking of missing items in Rogue's past... wasn't it mentioned at least once
>that she is 'half alien'?
>
>Or is that part of Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel leaking thru?  I seem to recall
>that her physiology was changed by becoming MM.
>

well... okay here is rogue's history in a nutshell...

	x-men classic (31?), there is a short story about how her powers first
emerged... she was kissing a boy to find out what the excitment was all about
(she'd never done it before)... this agrees with what we were told previously
(surpise surprise)... she goes nuts for a bit and goes home to mystique... 

now we go to her first appearance.. Avengers annual #10.. she absorbs ms.
marvel... but something goes wrong and it is permanent... she then proceeds to 
absorb a few more avengers, notable thor and cap... mystique sets about trying
to get together a new brotherhood of evil mutants... it don't work... rogue and
mystique excape... rogue show's up in the X-men (late 150's early 160's don't
remember offhand...) at the pentagon? (wash. d.c. anyway..) she meets carol
danvers, wolvie, and storm.. (nightcrawler is in the car he comes in later).. 
they fight, rogue gets away...

	x-men get caught up in the brood escapades (a very excellent story btw)
and the brood are interested in carol danvers unique physiology, they
experiment on her.. wolvie comes in kills brood, smashes equipment and frees 
carol... she now has the powers she presently has, Binary...

meanwhile back on earth... rogue is terrorizing dazzler... because dazz has 
everything rogue cannot and rogue is a bit insane due to two conflicting 
persons in here head... x-men 171 rogue shows up on the dorrstep to the 
x-mansion asking for help... prof x agrees... biniary show up and slugs rogue..
storm gives an ultimatum and is then convinced to let her join... yay... 

from here on most of her exploits are in the pages of the x-men... 
if you want more of a history i'll expand on what happened after that...

 Paladin (ever shifting bearlike being....)	     
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 paladin@wpi.wpi.edu   | I would."   (Nosage, June 91)
	
human is the foulest name i can ever call a person......
From: breitzsp@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Wolvie Card in first pack
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:27:19 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

>>Oh, yeah -- I'm willing to sell Wolvie for $100.00. Let me know if
>>you're interested! :)
> 
>     I have bought twenty packs total and got four holograms (TWO Wolverine, 
> 1 Gambit, 1 team).  I have seen these for sale in many comic shops for $4.00 or
> $5.00 a each.  Your kidding right?
>                      
What is the deal with the inflated prices of these holo's? I don't collect them
but just from being in some shops where these are for sale the prices seem
silly.  Everyone has been saing that they get almosta complete set of holo's
and two complete sets of regular cards if they buy a box so why pay five
dollars a card for holo's when a box is around 30$?

I just don't understand,
Scotty B 
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:07:03 -0400 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: ALAN MOORE KNOWS *WHAT* SCORE??
	<1992Apr16.185003.7037@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>

From "Can you dig it?" by Pop Will Eat Itself (PWEI):
We dig tv
we dig remote control
we dig the furry freak brothers and the twilight zone
we dig marvel and dc
we dig run dmc
we dig renegade soundwave and ac/dc
we dig optimus prime and not galvitron
we dig the leader of the pack and da do run run
spinderella and bruce li
the good the bad and the ugly
........
(chorus)
bruce wayne
auf wiedersehn
dirty harry.....
...
alan moore knows the score....
...
etc.

Also another song on the album (this is the day, this is the hour,
this...is this) callled Def Con One has lines like "Watchmaaaaan! We
love you all!" and "Vote Doctor Doom you know it makes sense, vote
doctor doom--it's the only choice!"

I also seem to recall some other references to comics in at least one
other song, but I can't think of it offhand.

--Vernon.
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From: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Sandman Movie?!?
Reply-To: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 05:27:35 GMT


I was just thinking.  Wouldn't SANDMAN look great as an animated feature,
done perhaps in the style of the early issues?  I think the dark, moody
atmosphere of SANDMAN could be done better animated than nearly any
live-action interpreation.

It'll never happen though.  Ol' WB wouldn't be willing to pour big bucks
into a "mature audiences" animation feature.  Big ticket animation still
seems to be kids' stuff.

			---------- Ryan Mathews
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From: genef@wet.UUCP (Gene Fornario)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: STRIPS: laugh out loud
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:20:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: wet.3769
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <willimsa.701272343@unix1.tcd.ie> willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams) writes:
>
>
>	I like Bloom County.  Is BB going to write any more?
>
I seriously doubt it.  When Berk announced that he was not going to continue
the strip, he made an analogy to a ripe melon.  He basically said thathe
took it as far as possible and it was time to move on.  He then announced
he would be working on Outland, a "Sundays only" strip 

Yes, I liked the strip also.  It's unusual that any creator would dump a
imaginative and successful strip, it could have gone on for 50 years, but
I guess Berke thought different.

Gene-- genef@wet.UUCP
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From: uk02700@nx33.mik.uky.edu (mitchell e french)
Subject: Re: adamantium-IT CAN BE BROKEN!!
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:14:41 GMT
X-Bytes: 

In article <1992Apr15.114723.5074@ac.dal.ca> ibanez@ac.dal.ca writes:
> 
> 
>    In an issue of Marvel Super Villain Team Up, adamantium was  
shattered.
> This is the issue, maybee #17, with Hate Monger,Arnim Zolla, and the Red
> Skull on the cover holding a cosmic cube.
> 
>    Anyway, the baddies have an island hideout. SHIELD finds it and comes
> looking for a fight. As the SHIELD forces near, an adamantium dome
> closes over the island. Well, the SHIELD boys were prepared and brought  
some
> kind of sonic cannon. It must have the right frequency, cause when they
> turn it on the ol' adamantium dome shatters.

	That was secondary adamantium.  It's just really really really  
f*cking awful tough.  True adamantium is "unbreakable".

Oh well....		
Mushroom		"Oh-bla-di, oh-bla-da, life goes on...."
From: houchin@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Scott Houchin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: META: Re: RAC SPLIT: NO!!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:41:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: kodak.1992Apr9.124156.11037
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY


I also read r.a.c. without a kill file. Mostly because I have never seen a
topic here that I can unconditionally say I would never want to read. This
help keeps me open minded -- even Marvel puts out a couple worthwhile titles.

I don't like the idea of a split. I really don't even like the idea of the
mandatory subject keywords (MARVEL:, DC:, META:, ...). The only purpose they
really serve is to allow you to kill large groups of articles without even 
seeing them. How can know that they won't be interested in EVERY Marvel
article to be posted until the end of time (I'm only using Marvel because
the discussion seems to indicate that most people who are blocking out large
groups like this are blocking out Marvel).

What if a few years ago the discussion had been:
Subject: MARVEL: Alan Moore's _Watchmen_	...

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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas P. Johnston)
Subject: Re: DC: Forgotten Heroes (was Re: Bob Newhart...)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:46:58 GMT

ddd@harrier.cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest) writes:

>Actually, it wouldn't be so bad if ten years from now we saw another
>"Forgotten Heroes" team-up, featuring a Swan-drawn Wild Dog, hockey
>mask and all.  Who else could we include in the next forgotten heroes?

>Of the last bunch, let's see.  Animal Man graduated to higher things, as I 
>suppose Immortal Man did.  Dolphin hasn't been seen much.  Who the heck else
>was there?

I don't know; I guess the group was appropriately named.  :)

My candidates for a new Forgotten Heroes group:
1.  Black Lightning
2.  Creeper
3.  Captain Marvel
4.  El Diablo
5.  Hawk & Dove
6.  Black Orchid
7.  Vixen
8.  anyone from Infinity, Inc.  or   Helix

I think that DC has misused/underused all of these characters to a
magnificent level.

Tom
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From: dhsu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (David Hsu)
Subject: Re: X-Man Traitor
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 04:43:13 GMT

How about Forge?  Since he can build almost anything, I'm sure he could
build weapons to nail any/all of the X-Men... He has built a weapon to
remove mutants' powers before, and in one of the scenes of Bishop in the 
future, one of those "enforcers" (I forget which) fired a little 
tracer/collar like thing which he called the "Forge-3000."

Also, Jean did say that Prof. X was the first to die.  Forge isn't on
either of the teams and does seem to hang around with Xavier a lot.  I seem
to recall him having this contraption which inhibited Xavier's powers while
they were playing chess.  and I guess finally, he seems to be miffed about
him and Storm, at least in the last issue.

well?  whaddaya think?

Dave
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From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: LSH:  Return of Mon-El???
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:08:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <9204161338.AA08228@styracosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu> francis@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (RD Francis) writes:
>I understand that DC is finally going to make everyone who misses Lar
>Gand's old name happy.  In a future issue of WORLDS OF VALOR, Lar will
>visit the Caribbean.  He'll meet up with a rastafarian band.  The
>leader of the band, instead of calling him "Lar", insists on calling
>him "my mon L"

You're a dangerous human being, RD Francis. When I take over the world,
you'll be one of the first ones against the wall! Of course, in my 
perfect world, puns will NOT be allowed! 
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From: cbuteau@wpi.WPI.EDU (Christopher W Buteau)
Subject: Re: MUTANTS: X-Traitor Theories Disproved
Summary: Rogue maybe?
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:03:31 GMT


>|Then, so I could walk proud amongst the members of the Rogue fan club, I told
>|him that if it was Rogue, some people will be very upset as that would throw
>|away a whole lot of character development (she was a villain, can we trust
>|her?).  At this, he told me that Rogue was a possibility, that he was thinking
>|about making her the traitor.  Of course, he told me that since he now knew 
>|that people were actually considering her, he would have to think about it 
>|again.
>	
>	Actually, Rogue would make some sense still.  Yes, she's been an X-Man,
>but working on the assumption that Charles hasn't really been able to help
>her fix her power, it is also reasonable to assume that she still is having
>some personality problems.  If her schizophrenia (sp?) were to remanifest
>itself in a such a way then she could easily take out the rest of them
>by absorbing their powers one at a time and using it against the others.
>She would have killed the X-Men, btu not really a traitor per se though
>since she would be mentally ill.  Gambit surviving would make sense as well
>since she seems to be developing a thing for him.

	 Actually her schizophrenia or Multiple personalities is gone now.

 But she would make an excellent addition to my White Queen theories.  When 
 Rogue used to use her power to knock out people she absorbs thier powers and 
 psyche.  However when this happens sometimes the person she touched has a
 more dominant psyche and takes over Rogue's body. Then we have the dangling 
 plotline of the White Queen. 
	 The White Queen could wherever she is hiding her psyche in a
 weakened state persuade rogue to absorb her.  When she enters she could
 easily wrest control from rogue and start destroying the X-Men.  And as far as the energy blast recorded hitting Jean Grey ....Rogue/White Queen could absorb
 anyone to do that energy beam...be it Mikail or anyone else

 Thoughts??????

 -Later
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From: dnaraghi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dara Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Marshall Law
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:01:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.144226.16481@reed.edu> mwinston@lust.reed.edu (Michael J. Winston) writes:
>Just a quick question:
>
>Besides Marshall Law 1-6 and Marshall Law takes Manhattan, what Marshall  
>Law books have come out?

	There are two more books that have come out.  The name of the first
one is (I think) Apocalypse Now, and the second is The Hateful Dead from
Apocalypse Comics.  It is, I believe, a two part series.  Mills and O'Neil
are over at Dark Horse now, so DH will be publishing the second part of
The Hateful Dead.



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From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Youngblood I
Date: 9 Apr 1992 19:05:03 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine

In article <1992Apr8.213454.26209@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>Youngblood is late -- big surprise.
>Which is probably good, but why didn't he stay with Marvel? 

	Beacause, under his own imprint, he can get "Mo money! Mo money!
Mo Money!"  At Marvel, he only gets a small percentage of the moolah,
and he doesn't have creative control.  At Image, he can do what he wants.

	Also, he doesn't have any editors to tell him he can't write for
sh*t.  But then, it appears he doesn't have that at Marvel either.

	It's kind of a shame.  If forced, he can draw good stuff.  
(Check out the Hawk and Dove mini series, or the Secret Origins issue
with Nightshade.)  If only he could write....
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Subject: Re: MUTANTS: X-Traitor Theories Disproved
Date: 16 Apr 92 11:42:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1992Apr15.143528.1916@urbana.mcd.mot.com>, asoto@dacapo.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Anthony Soto) writes...
>Come on people, Rogue has touched Mephisto, Loki, Wolverine, and a number of
>other people whose will is WAY stronger than hers. Their "psyche" has never
>taken over.

I remember a certain Mr. Sinister taking over during Inferno.

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From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
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Subject: Re: Marshall Law
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:21:01 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Apr7.144226.16481@reed.edu> mwinston@lust.reed.edu (Michael J. Winston) writes:
>Just a quick question:
>
>Besides Marshall Law 1-6 and Marshall Law takes Manhattan, what Marshall  
>Law books have come out?
>
>Michael J. Winston

	Marshall Law: Crime & Punishment
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From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Project: Pegasus
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:09:37 GMT
Organization: Yale University

In article <1992Apr10.022035.1645@HQ.Ileaf.COM>
tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) writes:
 
>
>
>To be blunt, in her series Dazzler fell for every non-physically deformed
>guy other than her father that she exchanged more than two words with and
>who wasn't the issue's villain. OK, she also didn't fall for Galactus. But
>that's about it. About the only decent things about that series were the
 
Ouch.  Thomas: 1  Dazzler: 0         :)
 
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From: dethomas@amhux1.amherst.edu (The Human Torch)
Subject: Re: Marvel's OK By Me
Organization: Grucci Fireworks Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:54:23 GMT

rickard@anasaz.UUCP (Ronald J. Rickard Jr) writes:
: In article <1992Apr3.173956.2502@udel.edu> lintz@fred.cis.udel.edu (Brian Lintz) writes:
: 
: >So those are the two main reasons I don't like Marvel, and would rather
: >read selected independents and selected mature titles from DC.
:                                          ^^^^^^
: You really believe that, huh?

Really believe what? That DC can (and does in my opinion) produce a
couple or three good mature titles? Is this something bad?

later days!
--dt

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