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From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: FLAME ALERT>> Kerberos over SYSUAF
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:39:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.124028.1@alien.gici.com>, laut@alien.gici.com (Bill Laut) writes...
> 
>	<< CAUTION:  DEC IS ABOUT TO BECOME "BANANAS FORSTER" (flamed) >>
> 

[complaint about "world revolves around DEC" reps]

>Example:  They have tons of LN03R Postscript laser printers, scattered
>throughout 30 or 40 different plants.  As part of a consolidation move, the
>network was being merged into a larger corporate network which is pure TCP/IP.

...

>The client took it as yet another attempt on DEC's part to "strong-arm" the
>customer into having to accept unwanted baggage (ie, DECnet and LAT) in order
>to maintain their investment in DEC equipment to date.

Sounds like not using any DECnet/LAT is a political solution to a non-problem.
This "solution" produced a real problem, interfacing the printers.  What is the
advantage of a "pure" TCP/IP network?  How is LAT (which is often less load on
a CPU than a hardwired terminal) "unwanted baggage"?

>licensed for Wollongong's TCP/IP implementation, so little 'ol me engineered
>a terminal port driver that emulates a hardwired terminal port, but instead
>packages the stuff into the TELNET protocol and then drops it into a perm.
>socket connection, leading off to a Xylogics terminal server that has the
>LN04R plugged into it.  Viola!  No more printer problems..

I do not know any details of why the print symbiont might not work with TCP/IP
terminals, but it would have been easier (and supported) to use the symbiont
modification routines than hack up a terminal port driver.  The LAT print
symbiont is itself a modification of the terminal print symbiont using these
routines.

Note, although I am a Digital employee and am more knowledgable about Digital
equipment than others I don't believe that I am a "the world revolves around
Digital" person.  I would have answered the same regardless of who I worked
for.  Also these opinions are my own and not of Digital.

-Mike
Xref: sparky comp.os.vms:16269 vmsnet.internals:1423
From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,vmsnet.internals
Subject: Re: Uses for LIB$FIND_IMAGE SYMBOL (was: Bug in LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL ?
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:34:21 PDT
Organization: Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego, CA

In article <1992Oct7.093229.19@dcs.simpact.com>,
 jmeinke@dcs.simpact.com writes:
> Could someone
> please fill me in on what LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL is useful for?
> I read the manual; it didn't click. 

Generally speaking:  It's useful wherever you have one set of code calling 
another set -- and the two sets aren't available at the same time for linking
with each other.  

Here is an example, which should be familiar to you, since I know that Simpact
is running DECUS uucp!  When you send mail to a uucp address, you tell VMSmail
to send to 

	To: uucp%"user@a.b.c"

The VMS mailer handles this by calling a routine in the shareable image
UUCP_MAILSHR.EXE, which is part of DECUS uucp.   Now, DEC's mail code
(MAIL.EXE, MAILSHR.EXE, etc.) couldn't possibly have been linked with DECUS
uucp, or with any other foreign protocol code (e.g. PMDF (IN%), PSI Mail, 
et al) not supplied by DEC.  

But it does know that to send mail to an address of the form 

	foreign-protocol-selector%address

it does a LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL to a shareable image pointed to by a logical
name of the form

	foreign-protocol-selector_MAILSHR

The symbols requested are the names of the routines it expects to find in the
shareable image; note that these routine names must be the same for all foreign
protocols.  The result of the LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL call is that the desired
shareable image is activated -- just as it would have been if it had been
linked with the executable in the first place; it just happens later in the
life of the executable image; the universal symbol table in the shareable image
is searched for the desired entry point name; the resulting virtual address of
the entry point is computed and returned to the caller of LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL.
The entry point can then be CALLed.  

	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
uucp 'g' protocol guru and release coordinator, VMSnet (DECUS uucp) W.G., and 
Chair, VMS Programming and Internals Working Group, U.S. DECUS VAX Systems SIG 
Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com, hanrahan@eisner.decus.org, or jeh@crash.cts.com
Uucp:  ...{crash,eisner,uunet}!cmkrnl!jeh
From: daniel@hfrd.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: QIO SETMODE VT term to 132 columns
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:54:14 GMT
Organization: High Frequency Radar Division - Defence Science and Technology Organisation

In article <1992Oct8.054412.1@hfrd.dsto.gov.au>, daniel@hfrd.dsto.gov.au writes:
> I am attempting to change a VT terminal from 80 to 132 columns using QIO
> SETMODE with the page width set to 132, as with the following C code fragment:
> 
>    TermChar.PageWidth = PageWidth;
> 
>    status = sys$qiow (0, TTchannel, IO$_SETMODE,
>                       &IOstatus, 0, 0,
>                       &TermChar, sizeof(TermChar), 0, 0, 0, 0);
> 
> It changes the page width reported by SHOW TERMINAL alright, but does not move
> from 80 to 132 column mode.  DECterm VT emulation does expand the window to 132
> but does not change to the smaller font as with a SET TERMINAL.  What

It was simple...

> embarrasses me is its probably something so simple!  T/YIA.

About ten minutes after posting the enquiry it occured to me that although I
was telling the VMS device its page width I was not telling the terminal!  Out
with the VT220 Programmer Pocket Reference and on page 31 under mnemonic
DECCOLM is the 132 column escape sequence CSI?3h and the 80 column CSI?3l. 
Adding another QIO with a WRITEVBLK sending the appropriate sequence and its
solved.  Thanks for the personal replies.
From: ake@dayton.saic.com (Earle Ake)
Subject: Problem with spawn from batch in 5.4-x
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Organization: Science Applications Intl Corp - Dayton, Ohio
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 21:33:20 GMT

	I have a problem with the spawn command under VMS 5.4 and 5.4-2.
Everytime I try it from a batch job I get:

%SYSTEM-F-EXBYTLM, exceeded byte count quota

What gives?  Is there a patch available or at what release of VMS is this
fixed?


Earle
ake@dayton.saic.com
From: CXNHJP@manadon-engineering-college.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: resetting privs
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:38:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Can anyone tell my of a single command to reset a processes privs
back to the ones given at login (/priv and /defpriv) after they have been
changed without being saved first ?

cxnhjp@uk.ac.manadon

Xref: sparky comp.os.vms:16176 vmsnet.sysmgt:273 vmsnet.misc:897
From: sday@fornax.unm.edu (Stephen F. Day   UNM CIRT)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,vmsnet.sysmgt,vmsnet.misc
Subject: Re: Please don't post system management questions to vmsnet.admin
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:51:59 GMT
Reply-To: sday@ariel.unm.edu
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque NM

In article <zp+p5jc.rbp@netcom.com>, rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker) writes:
> terry, it seems your sycophants have voted you emperor of vmsnet
> again, so i guess my comments were out of line.  i sure hope you have
> a successor picked, we can't have these guys wandering aimlessly
> around the net looking for a new net.god.

What's your problem, Bob?   Perhaps a little envious of Terry??

I'd suggest you take this off-line 'cause you'll find a vast majority
of the readers of vmsnet.* and comp.os.vms (aka INFO-VAX) have a lot
more respect for Terry's opinions and efforts than yours.

> --- bob pasker
> ---- rbp@netcom.com

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From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: SCSI CD drive and music
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:09:13 GMT
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Oct15.081628.1@ptavv.llnl.gov>, oberman@ptavv.llnl.gov writes:
=In article <1992Oct15.014748.1@vxdesy.desy.de>, pawlak@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
=
=> This question comes up again and again... and makes me wonder why people
=> won't simply buy one of those CD units without any SCSI interface, but
=> with a front panel of a few switches and keys so easy to operate manually :-)
=> They are much cheaper and have much better sound quality (and, they allow
=> me to read VMS docs while listening my fave soundtracks as well :-).
=
=I must second th motion. The D-A convertsers and filtering in the "standard"
=Sony reader used by DEC, Sun, and Apple produces very poor sound quality with a
=high-end that can produce a major headache in nothing flat.

But is it any worse than the rest of the noise from the machine room?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: ACSMARTIN@EKU.BITNET ("Bob Martin --> Acsmartin@eku.bitnet")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Remote Printing
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:40:54 GMT
Organization: The Internet

>I am using a PC Comm software to dialup to my VAX to run a Cobol application.
>I have a local printer attached to my PC and I would like to know how I could
>print a report from the VAX to my local printer. Can a queue be configured to
>route a printjob to a remote printer that is not connected to the network?
>
>PS - pls don't recommend the use of upload/download software such as Kermit or
>Xmodem. The remote printing facility should be as transparent as possible.
>

First, Kermit is NOT just upload/download software. It's a full featured
coomunications program. If you were using it you could simply print to
you attached printer in a variety of ways. You could use
control/printscreen .... type ... etc. It's even quite easy to print to
a PC attached printer form vms WordPerfect -- don't tell anyone that I
mentioned that though :).

Good luck!

-Bob Martin -- acsmartin@eku.bitnet


Xref: sparky comp.os.vms:16624 vmsnet.misc:937
From: goathunter@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,vmsnet.misc
Subject: Re: RAM Disk for VMS?
Date: 16 Oct 92 11:33:10 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Oct14.222904.16696@netcom.com>, rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker) writes:
>
> i first wrote a ram disk driver for VMS in 1982 and iteventually ran
> under 5.0. i think it might have made its way, along with the
> supervisor series, into the public domain. hunter goatley?
> 
It didn't.  At least, not with the Supervisor Series.

Hunter
------
Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University
goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET, 502-745-5251
From: brydon@asl.slb.com (Harvey Brydon (918)250-4312)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Macintosh to DEClaser
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:17:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: slcs.1992Oct15.101718.18409
Reply-To: brydon@dsn.SINet.slb.com
Organization: Schlumberger/Anadrill Sugar Land, TX

In article <9210061509.AA15483@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, MCMAHON@AC.GRIN.EDU
("McMahon,Brian D") writes:
>The Fall '92 DESKTOP DIRECT catalog (p. 57) contains a listing for an
>"AppleTalk Ethernet Card," order no. FR-LNXX-AT, which is supposed to
>include a Mac driver "to access all printer features" of the DEClaser
>2150/2250.  This is the first I've heard of such a beast, but it sounds
>very interesting -- we have several DEClasers around, and a mixed bag of
>Macintosh (running AlisaTalk) and DECpc (running PATHWORKS) boxes on our
>Ethernet.  We'd love to let the Mac users get to 2250 features like duplex
>printing, but I wonder....
>
>For one thing, the catalog write-up says "Ethernet" in the title, but in
>the body of the text calls it a LocalTalk (SlooooowTalk) card, which would
>make it a completely different (useless to us) beast.  Not surprising,
>really -- Digital's catalogs haven't been particularly strong on product
>names and terminology, in my experience.  But which one is it?

My guesses (and they are only guesses!) are: (1) it is indeed ethernet and
talks appletalk over ethernet.  You would need something like pathworks to
talk to it from the VAX.  You would need either a Shiva/Gator box or
translation software on one mac in your network to provide connectivity
between localtalk and ethernet to get the Macs to see it.  (2) There are a
number of printers available today with multiple interfaces (all active at the
same time).  Perhaps the converter box has both ethernet and localtalk
connection.

I am interested in the 'real' answer.  Please post or send me a message
if/when you figure it out for sure...
_______________________________________________________________
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Dowell Schlumberger   | P.O.T.S.:   (918)250-4312
  He may be a bonehead but he's right about Murphy Brown.
From: DEREK@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Longest record length in STREAM file?
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:34:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Anders Rolff  (<eru.mt.luth.se!lunic!sunic!mcsun!ieunet!
		scotty.eurokom.ie!rolff@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU>) writes:
	...
>If the file has a variable length record format, I can just get the
>XAB$W_LRL value and use that as the size of the buffer, ...

I figured I couldn't reply directly to this individual, so I am posting.

Please be aware that the "longest record length" may be zero, or otherwise
incorrect.  Treat it as a "hint".  The version of DISSPLA which we have,
I believe it is version 11, treats it as the gospel truth -- which results
in failures if LRL is set to 0.  (Apparently, it allocates a buffer of
LRL bytes.)

-Derek S. Haining
 University Computing Services
 University of Washington
 Seattle, Washington  98195 
 (206) 543-5579

 DEREK@MAX.BITNET
 DEREK@MAX.U.WASHINGTON.EDU

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.solaris
From: wisner@netcom.com (Bill Wisner)
Subject: Re: DECnet for SUN: Info Needed
Organization: Taos Mountain Software, Mountain View, CA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 22:32:32 GMT

>Actually, DNI 7.0 behaves fairly reasonably in small DECNET configurations,
>but has serious problems when trying to be used in large DECNET systems.

You're a master of understatement, Milo.

At the University of Alaska we had a machine on the University's
statewide DECnet, SPAN (for such was it called then) *and* the
NorthWestNet DECnet.  We ended up buying a third-party vendor's
DECnet product, as DNI proved completely unworkable, thus exchanging
one set of problems for another.  (In all fairness, the third-
party product proved much more reliable and stable than DNI, and
included LAT support.  It did have a few weak spots, though.)

w. <wisner@netcom.com> Gryphon Gang Mountain View CA 94043
From: SHOECRAFT@MC.MARICOPA.EDU (Steve Shoecraft)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Getting a logical name using VAXC
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:54:06 GMT
Organization: The Internet


	Although I haven't written a function to call the sys$trnlnm system 
service directly, I have written some general-purpose functions to call the 
lib$ routines to return a logical name (and a symbol name) equivalence string.
I know this isn't exactly what you asked for, but may provide an alternative:

	#include <descrip.h>

	#define $STRDESC(name,string)	struct dsc$descriptor_s name = \
		{ strlen(string), DSC$K_DTYPE_T, DSC$K_CLASS_S, string }

	char *get_logical(char *logical)
	{
		static char equiv[255];
		$DESCRIPTOR(buffer,equiv);
		$STRDESC(log,logical);
		unsigned short len;
	
		if (lib$sys_trnlog(&log,&len,&buffer) & 1) {
			equiv[len] = 0;
			if (strcmp(logical,equiv) == 0)
				return(0);
			else
				return(&equiv);
		}
		else
			return(0);
	}

	char *get_symbol(char *symbol)
	{
		static char equiv[255];
		$DESCRIPTOR(buffer,equiv);
		$STRDESC(sym,symbol);
	
		if (lib$get_symbol(&sym,&buffer) & 1)
			return(&equiv);
		else
			return(0);
	}


	Both functions return a pointer to the equivalence name string if the 
logical (or symbol) name is found. One note, though -- the get_logical() 
function will use lib$sys_trnlog's defaults for table, access mode, and 
search disable mask. By default it searches the process, group, and system 
name tables. Hope this helps. If you STILL want to use $trnlnm, you have to 
build an item_list_3 structure and pass your options through that. I've found 
the lib$ routines to be a usefull alternative to calling many of the system 
service services.

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.)
Subject: Re: How much to charge for CPU time?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:44:00 GMT

In article <7OCT199222350711@spades.aces.com>, gavron@ACES.COM                      writes...
> 
>	Oh hey:
>		One cpu second   = $0.00001
>		One page fault   = $0.00001
>		Stupid questions = $10
> 
>	That will be ten dollars please.  For both of you.
> 
>	Send checks to address below.
> 

With apologies to Ehud's fan club and acknowledgements for his time and 
efforts that have benefited other people ...

Are sincere questions really deserving of ridicule in a public forum?


Mike McCurdy			Disclaimer:
VAX Systems Management		     
San Diego State University		"Everything I say may be wrong."
mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu  	

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: jneves@bart.inescn.pt (Joao Neves)
Subject: Re: How much to charge for CPU time?
Organization: INESC-Porto, Portugal
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 19:06:03 GMT

In article <2276@sunny.lif.de>, sys_hjk@LIFRA.LIF.DE (Hans-Joachim Koch) writes:
|> In article <00961A1E.99D1C140.9421@MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU>, spinillo@MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU writes:
|> >Can anyone help me determine a monetary figure to charge for CPU time?
|> >We have never had to do this, but we need to determine a pro-rated figure
|> >for some documentation. We are running a VAX8250 with 2 ra82 disks.
|> >
|> >please send replies to my personal mailbox.
|> 
|> I have the same problem, so please post any ideas. Are there some basic 
|> rules how to get such values?
|> 
|> Thanks. Hans.
|> -- 
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|> Lyoner Strasse 22, POB 71 06 51, D-6000 Frankfurt (Main) 71, Germany
|> Phone: +49 69 6677-642, Fax: +49 69 6677-571, Tx: 413478 li d
|> Email: koch@lifra.lif.de, dk9om@dk9om.ampr.org [44.130.25.45]

In my institution I considered the following parameters for the cost of the
minute CPU:

	- 3 years equipment amortization
	- maintenance contracts expenses
 	- the CPU usage for the users processes during a year
	- the CPU usage for the management and operation processes during a year
	- power consumption

Well, I know that are missing some important values like, personnel salaries,
air conditioned expenses, site area ocupation rent ... but it's a beginning.
I'ld like to ear some input too.

Joao 
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From: jim@accelr8.com (Jim Reiss)
Subject: Re: vms posix
Organization: Accelr8 Technology Corporation
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:21:43 GMT
Keywords: posix

In article <7@colorne.UUCP> dfilip@colorne.UUCP writes:
>You mean other than the fact that it is v-e-r-y--s-l-o-w-!!!
>
>Perhaps someone can enlighten me, but it appears that posix is basically
>just a shell on top of VAX/VMS. If that is the case, than what really is
>the point ?
>
>I just today had a conversation with a DEC support guy about 'Open Systems'
>and his statement was that 'Open Systems are built, not bought'. That seems
>to make some sense to me : I can write a C program under VAX/VMS that, as long
>as I use Unix and stdio calls, will compile cleanly under Ultrix. Likewise,
>I can just as easily include $QIO calls and $CREPRC calls which will make my
>code entirley non-portable on anything BUT VAX/VMS. It's my choice.
Not entirely non-portable.  Our company has an emulation of many VAX/VMS
calls for Unix systems.

>Although perhaps I am being a bit obtuse, and perhaps intentionally, the reason
>why I like to develop in a VMS environment is because of all the non-portable
>extras, like the CLI$ and RMS routines, which cannot be supported under an
>'Open' system.
Yes they can.  We are currently developing a fairly full-featured RMS library.
-- 
 Jim Reiss (jim@accelr8.com)    Accelr8 Technology, Denver, Colorado, USA
 Opinions expressed above are mine.  Who else would have them?
From: imhw400@indyvax.iupui.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: KERBEROS as replacement for SYSUAF
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:58:19 -0500

In article <16052@umd5.umd.edu>, bill@bill.ab.umd.edu (Bill Bame) writes:
[...]
> Nobody at DEC admits to working on, thinking about, or taking seriously the
> question of network security.  If there are any "related projects" inside or
> outside of DEC I have been unable to locate them.

You must have just missed them.  Ask your sales rep. for pointers to
Distributed Systems Security Architecture.  Its existence is not secret.  There
was a writeup in Digital News or Digital Review some time back, and quite a
nice presentation on it at the Anaheim DECUS symposium last year.  Still no
products, unfortunately....
-- 
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Internet:  IMHW400@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU     BITNET:  IMHW400@INDYVAX
Celebrate freedom:  read a banned newsgroup.
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: edbis@solomon.technet.sg (Koh Eng San)
Subject: Remote Printing
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:40:11 GMT

I am using a PC Comm software to dialup to my VAX to run a Cobol application.
I have a local printer attached to my PC and I would like to know how I could
print a report from the VAX to my local printer. Can a queue be configured to
route a printjob to a remote printer that is not connected to the network? 

PS - pls don't recommend the use of upload/download software such as Kermit or
Xmodem. The remote printing facility should be as transparent as possible.

Have a GREAT Day!