HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: VETTERS@vax1.elon.edu (Steve Vetter  )
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: BMG PHONE # THANK YOU
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:41:02 GMT
Organization: Elon College
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

Thnak all of you who responded to my desperate plea for the BMG
phone number!!!!!
Now maybe I'll figure out where the heck my CDs went!

Steve Vetter
vetters@vax1.elon.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: CD rings - was Green Pen Rubbish! (was Do CD's degrade?)
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:10:37 GMT

jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:

>>> There are all kinds of products to help get the most from CD's, from the green
>>> pens, and weighted rings for the label side, which improve sound quality to
>   ^^^^RUBBISH!
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ These may actually help if you
>have a player that tracks very erratically, but it would probably be better
>in the long run to have the player looked at if it's tracking badly enough
>for you to consider this...

I've bought disc that were warped or for whatever reason wobbled in all
of my 3 players - it's pretty obviously not been the player itself but the
disc. In some cases I've returned these for credit or replacemnent, but I've
also bought a few discs used or through odd sources, like a disc pressed
in Switzerland bought directly from the artist at a concert. In cases where
I couldn't return a bad disc or didn't want to because I couldn't replace it
I have found the weighted discs to be quite useful - these problem discs
now play fine. As to improving sound quality, ummmm, at least I can play 
the discs now, but I doubt they sound any better than they would if the 
disc itself wasn't flawed. So I'd heartily recommend the rings, with the
caveat that I'd only use them when necessary to fix a problem, and then
only when I can't replace the disc itself. 

  - malcolm@wrs.com
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: The Green Pen Truth
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:51:59 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Sep30.042912.9407@lester.appstate.edu> VETTERS@vax1.elon.edu (Steve Vetter  ) writes:
> About the green pen...
> It really has nothing to do with the color as originally anticipated.
> The truth of the matter is that because the edges of a CD are clear,
> the light from the laser escapes from the side thereby causing *slight*
> surface noise on some discs.
> I have an interview disc (of someone I never heard of) tacked to the 
> wall in my dorm and the edges of it are silver (painted at the factory).
> This better keeps the beam in or so I am told.
> I had a lengthy discussion over the summer with a guy who told me taht a
> black permanent marker (permanent so it doesn't rub off on your hands)
> will do even better than a green pen.

> In my personal experience I have found that Iron Butterfly's 
> "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" experiences much less surface noise after being 
> treated with the black pen.  The guy I was talking to had a Frank Zappa 
> disc that he improved using this technique.

What you may have experienced is that In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" sounds better
with appropriate drug intake.  The CD player reads by sensing the depths
of the pits by whether they return a bright or dark reflection.  This
is pretty insensitive to any light scattered from a distance many CD
thicknesses away.  Even it it did have some effect, chances are that it
would be completely masked by error correction.

Whether the edges are silvered or not depends on the particular
aluminization process used.  Older batch processes tended to do the
whole thing, newer processes are more selective.
From: al@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (haus der luge)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: WANTED: PRAY FOR RAIN on CD
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:52:03 GMT
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB


 
The STRAIGHT TO HELL soundtrack is largely done by THE POGUES, JOE 
STRUMMER, and a strange incarnation of ELVIS COSTELLO.  It's really good 
and definitely worth owning.
 
I thought that PRAY FOR RAIN weren't a "real" band but a pseudonym that 
somebody else was using for their soundtrack material.
 
I could be wrong though.
 
HausDerLuge


--- (haus der luge) a user of sys6626, running waffle 1.64
E-mail: al@sys6626.bison.mb.ca
system 6626: 63 point west drive, winnipeg manitoba canada R3T 5G8
From: dplatt@ntg.com (Dave Platt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: CD Player question
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:55:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA

In article <STRANGE.92Oct1132929@squeeze.dec.com> strange@zk3.dec.com (Steve Strange) writes:

>I believe this problem is caused by the lens assembly 'sticking' to
>the steel rail it moves along as it tracks the CD.  I put some WD-40
>on the rail with a Q-tip in my Diskman, and the problem went away.

I don't recommend the use of WD-40 or 3-in-1 oil in this sort of
application.  I've been told that these products are a combination of
some very volatile petroleum fractions (which help the oil penetrate
"stuck" mechanisms, but which evaporate fairly quickly) and heavier oils
which eventually become gummy once the lighter fractions have
evaporated.

It's better to use a high-grade lubrication oil, such as sewing-machine
oil or watchmaker's oil or instrumentation oil.  These are medium-weight
oils of a consistent viscosity - they don't become gummy, or evaporate.

A product called Tri-Flo may also be useful... it's a light oil with a
suspension of Teflon particles in it.


-- 
Dave Platt                                                VOICE: (415) 813-8917
              Domain: dplatt@ntg.com      UUCP: ...netcomsv!ntg!dplatt
 USNAIL: New Technologies Group Inc. 2468 Embarcardero Way, Palo Alto CA 94303
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: jkuei@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Jimmy Kuei)
Subject: Re: BMG Club Membership info>>?
Keywords: BMG
Organization: San Francisco State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:58:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.132333.442@panix.com> moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz) writes:
>>is it possible to join the club through one 
>>of their 9-10 CD's for the price of one again 
>>after fulfilling yur requirement to purchase the
>>one CD at their regular price and discontinuing the
>>membership???
>
>I was a member of BMG for a few years and quit when I couldn't find
>anything interesting in their very limited catalog for many months on
>end.  A few months after I quit they sent me a recruitment letter and
>I rejoined, getting the usual 8-for-1 deal.
>
>So you can do it if you wait for them to solicit you again.
>
>Len Moskowitz

The same thing happened to me, except I was still in the club.  They
wrote to me and said they haven't heard from me in a while.  So they
offered me the 8 CDs for the price of 1 deal again.

Jimmy Kuei
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: VETTERS@vax1.elon.edu (Steve Vetter  )
Subject: Re: CD Packaging
Organization: Elon College
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:42:20 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

The Peter Gabriel CD *was* in a jewel box.
Long Live Jewel Boxes!

Someone *please* tell me how to respond directly to the net!
 thanx

Steve Vetter
vetters@vax1.elon.edu

Steve Vetter
From: lampson@software.pulse.com (Dave Lampson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Classical Music Information Archive
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:23:40 GMT

Reply-To: lampson@pulse.com
Followup-To: rec.music.classical


The purpose of this posting is to announce the availability of the
following information in the classical music archive (early refers
generally to music of the Renaissance & Baroque periods; late refers
to music of the Classical, Romantic & Modern periods):

ASCII files:

classical/Guide         Guide to Buying Classical Recordings
classical/Repertor      Basic Repertoire List
classical/Keyboard.brq  Recommended CD Recordings of Early Keyboard Music
classical/Chamber.brq   Recommended CD Recordings of Early Chamber Music
classical/Orchstrl.brq  Recommended CD Recordings of Early Orchestral Music
classical/Keyboard.lat  Recommended CD Recordings of Late Keyboard Music
classical/Chamber.lat   Recommended CD Recordings of Late Chamber Music
classical/Concerto.lat  Recommended CD Recordings of Late Concertos 
classical/Orchstrl.lat  Recommended CD Recordings of Late Orchestral Music

PostScript format files:

classical/Guide.ps	Guide to Buying Classical Recordings
classical/Timeline.ps	Timeline of Composers
classical/Repertor.ps	Basic Repertoire List
classical/Keyboard.bps	Recommended CD Recordings of Early Keyboard Music
classical/Chamber.bps	Recommended CD Recordings of Early Chamber Music
classical/Orchstrl.bps	Recommended CD Recordings of Early Orchestral Music
classical/Keyboard.lps	Recommended CD Recordings of Late Keyboard Music
classical/Chamber.lps	Recommended CD Recordings of Late Chamber Music
classical/Concerto.lps	Recommended CD Recordings of Late Concertos
classical/Orchstrl.lps	Recommended CD Recordings of Late Orchestral Music


The Recommended CD lists contain references to over 1850 CDs, and are
cross-referenced back to the Basic Repertoire List.  These files recently
underwent an extensive revision expanding the files by some 40%.  The CD
Buying guide contains information on manufacturers & distributors, mail
order sources, and publications.  The Basic Repertoire List contains 
information as to music considered to be part of the basic repertoire,
and is organized by musical period and composer.  The Timeline file
(PostScript only) graphically depicts the life spans of 80+ composers
in a timeline format.

Due to the large size of these files (1MB total for ASCII and 1.7MB total 
for PostScript) the recommended and preferred method of accessing these
files is via anonymous FTP from cs.uwp.edu (131.210.1.4).  If you can
not perform FTP from your site, please contact me, and I will mail the
files to you.  Please specify which files, in which format, you would
like to be sent.  I will collect requests and do a mass mailing in the
very near future.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Dave
lampson@pulse.com   [PLEASE NOTE NEW ADDRESS]
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: jkent@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU (James Kent)
Subject: BBS service
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:08:20 GMT

A couple of weeks ago, someone posted the phone number for an inexpensive
CD ordering BBS based in Sunnyvale, CA.  I wrote the phone number on a
PostIt, but lost it somewhere.

Can someone repost or email me the phone number?

Thanks
Jim Kent
jkent@cs.stanford.edu
From: clare@aero.org (Clare Waterson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: CD Player Boombox-shaped Case Fantasy?
Date: 29 Sep 1992 22:50:16 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: auto.aero.org

I have this fantasy that there is a CD/player/speaker case that would 
look vaguely like the following:


       +-------+-------------+------------+-------+
      /       / Accessories /            /       /|
     /       /-------------/            /       / |
    /       /             /            /       /  |
   +-------+-------------+------------+-------+   |
   |:::::::|             |            |:::::::|   |
   |:::::::|             |            |:::::::|   |
   |:Ampl.:|  Portable   |  15-20 CD  |:Ampl.:|   |
   |Speaker|  CD Player  |  Storage   |Speaker|   +
   |:::::::|   Pocket    |            |:::::::|  /
   |:::::::|             |            |:::::::| /
   |:::::::|             |            |:::::::|/
   +-------+-------------+------------+-------+

   
That is, a case that would transform a portable CD player into a boom
box with built-in CD storage.  The speakers would be zipped into
pockets with mesh fronts and the CD player would have a clear plastic
viewing window.  There would be holes in the partitions to pass cords
through.  And a handle to carry the thing.  Then my little portable CD
player could go to picnics and line-waiting parties.  Without having
to carry a separate CD-player bag, speaker bag, and CD case, then
assembling the mess, playing CDs, dissembling the mess, and carrying
away three bags.  Actually I've got it down to two bags, but i want
convienence dammit!

Am I way off in Fantasyland, or does anyone know of anything
vaguely similar to this beast?  Details (who, what, how much)
please, if any.


-- 
    -- Clare Waterson
       Master Lucubrator

                   ``Wake up and smell the Cat Food'' -- They Might Be Giants
From: jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: The Green Pen Truth
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:45:56 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Sep30.042912.9407@lester.appstate.edu> VETTERS@vax1.elon.edu (Steve Vetter  ) writes:

>About the green pen...
>It really has nothing to do with the color as originally anticipated.
>The truth of the matter is that because the edges of a CD are clear,
>the light from the laser escapes from the side thereby causing *slight*
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>surface noise on some discs.
>I have an interview disc (of someone I never heard of) tacked to the 
>wall in my dorm and the edges of it are silver (painted at the factory).
>This better keeps the beam in or so I am told.
>I had a lengthy discussion over the summer with a guy who told me taht a
>black permanent marker (permanent so it doesn't rub off on your hands)
>will do even better than a green pen.
>In my personal experience I have found that Iron Butterfly's 
>"In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" experiences much less surface noise after being 
>treated with the black pen.  The guy I was talking to had a Frank Zappa 
>disc that he improved using this technique.
>Any additional input would be helpful here...

Laser light escaping causes surface noise??
BWAAHAAAHAAAHAA!!!
Good one.

Seriously, the CD is a *digital* medium.  The laser reads either
a '1' or a '0' or an error.  Most (if not all) surface noise
you hear will occur in the transformation of the digital data to
an analog wave (D/A conversion and filtering). If a bit is read
as an 'error', it is either read again or compensated for. I can
see how having a *large* number of errors will make the sound crash
but I think if you have that many errors, the player will probably
exhibit many tracking errors as well. (as in either time to have
your player cleaned/serviced or replace that disc)

			James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
From: peteg@sequent.com (Pete Gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Neil Young's New CD
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:43:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct1.204335.5721
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <1992Oct1.180530.21686@lester.appstate.edu> VETTERS@vax1.elon.edu (Steve Vetter  ) writes:
>Has anyone heard anything about Neil Young's New CD
>called "Harvest Moon"?  I heard that it was like
>a 'sequal' to "Harvest."  It was supposed to have the
>same type of guests that "Harvest" had.  Anybody
>heard anything?  

That's the general consensus.  The rumor is that Neil will be backed by the
Stray Gators - Buttrey, Keith, Nietzsche, et al. - the same group as in 1972.
If the music that turns up on `Harvest Moon' is the same as what I saw Neil
perform solo acoustic this past January, then expect a laid-back, acoustic-
dominated, country-flavored album.  My initial impression was that the music
was quite good, but the lyrics were a bit trite and contrived.  We'll all know
more later this month.


-- Pete
   peteg@sequent.com


>Steve Vetter 
>vetters@vax1.elon.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.arts.movies
From: pejulaju@sandman.cs.hut.fi (Pentti Lajunen)
Subject: Re: Finally on CD
Reply-To: pejulaju@niksula.hut.fi (Pentti Lajunen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:34:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.104229.16254@ifi.unizh.ch> hafner@ifi.unizh.ch (Michel Hafner) writes:

>Lately some coveted soundtracks ( at least by me ) have been released on CD

>- SpaceCamp by John Williams ( Japan )

At what price? (I heard its limited and expensive.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
From: bt@bailey.u.washington.edu (bt garner)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Welcome to the Pleasuredome by Frankie Goes to Hollywood
Keywords: Frankie, Hollywood, CD, Pleasuredome
Organization: Process Modeling Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:28:57 GMT

lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>kiniry@giane.cs.umass.edu (Joe Kiniry) writes:
>> I will pay good money for the CD _Welcome to the Pleasuredome_ by
>> Frankie Goes to Hollywood.  I am looking for the _ORIGINAL_ version of 
>> the CD distributed by Island Records ZTT.   
>The weird bit is that as far as I know, the original version with "Ferry"
>and "San Jose" has never been released on CD in the US -- has it?  If so,
>does anyone have a catalog number?  I could have sworn that I checked the
>latest reissue when it came in and found that it had the same tracks as
>the US CD always did . . . 

It has been released in the US.  However, the outer track listing (and on 
the CD itself) indicates that the song "Happy Hi" is there while "Ferry"
and "San Jose" are absent.  The disc clocks in with 17 tracks (I purchased
this disc in either 88 or 89).  The catalog number is 42282-4052-2, and the 
outer disc ring is labelled: "4228 24 0522 01%"  The disc also has a (P) and
(C) date of 1984.

bt garner
bt@cpac.washington.edu
"My cats are soley responsible for the contents of this article."
From: v125mf9n@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Indra Geerts)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: BMG PHONE # THANK YOU
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:01:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep30.164102.17226@lester.appstate.edu>, VETTERS@vax1.elon.edu (Steve Vetter  ) writes...
>Thnak all of you who responded to my desperate plea for the BMG
>phone number!!!!!
>Now maybe I'll figure out where the heck my CDs went!
> 
>Steve Vetter
>vetters@vax1.elon.edu

Hey! I want it too! Please?

                 -Indra
From: VETTERS@vax1.elon.edu (Steve Vetter  )
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: The Green Pen Truth
Date: 30 Sep 92 04:29:12 GMT
Organization: Elon College
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

About the green pen...
It really has nothing to do with the color as originally anticipated.
The truth of the matter is that because the edges of a CD are clear,
the light from the laser escapes from the side thereby causing *slight*
surface noise on some discs.
I have an interview disc (of someone I never heard of) tacked to the 
wall in my dorm and the edges of it are silver (painted at the factory).
This better keeps the beam in or so I am told.
I had a lengthy discussion over the summer with a guy who told me taht a
black permanent marker (permanent so it doesn't rub off on your hands)
will do even better than a green pen.
In my personal experience I have found that Iron Butterfly's 
"In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" experiences much less surface noise after being 
treated with the black pen.  The guy I was talking to had a Frank Zappa 
disc that he improved using this technique.
Any additional input would be helpful here...


Steve Vetter
It's better to burn out than it is to rust,
The king is gone but he's not forgotten
	Niel Young "My My, Hey Hey"
From: v125mf9n@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Indra Geerts)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Box sets from BMG (a summary)
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:57:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep29.210822.2467@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Adam J. Weitzman) writes...
> 
>Well, the verdict is in. Actually, only three people responded to my query
>regarding buying box sets from the BMG CD club, but all three said that it
>did come in the same box as in the stores, it did come with the booklet, and,
>to my surprise, there are *no* markings on *anything* to indicate that it came
>from BMG. In short, it is identical to the store-issued boxes. They don't
>even charge more for shipping than the usual cost of shipping the discs. Not
>a bad deal, though I should have waited for the 60% sale as opposed to buying
>them on the 50% sale. Then it would have been an even better deal!

Too bad I didn't see this thread earlier! I bought Depeche Mode 101 through
BMG, and these were my results: A different box from the stores (both
CD's in a single large box rather than two normal boxs'), it came with the 
booklet, and, on the back of the CD case there is a little white rectangle
that says "mfgd. for BMG". Its about one inch by an inch and a half. And
I have never gotten a CD from them without this mark on the back.

> 
>-- 
>					- Adam J Weitzman
>					  weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
>"All our life is spent in this permanent brainwashed contempt."
>	- Meat Beat Manifesto

                 -Indra
From: lancer@emilio.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: PG-revisited
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:34:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: emilio.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu's message of Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:18:25 GMT

>>>>> "kyrlidis" == Angelos Kyrlidis <kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu> writes:
kyrlidis> I know this topic has been discussed before, but has anybody
kyrlidis> actually *seen* this CD? It was supposed to be released on the
kyrlidis> 15th of September, and I have been looking for it (to check the
kyrlidis> cover artwork, and the track-listing) since but haven't been able
kyrlidis> to locate it. And the people at the record stores seem to know
kyrlidis> nothing about it.

If you mean the new Peter Gabriel CD, _Us_, I got it today from Noteworthy
(~$10).  VERY good.  10(ish) tracks, no "Sledgehammer" in the bunch.

I'll be reviewing it for a local paper and I'll post the review to the net
at the end of the week...

.s.
--
- so spake lancer@wpi.wpi.edu -        - so speaks Minor Threat: -
-      You see me and you laugh out loud. First impressions      -
-      without a word. You can't believe your eyes at first      -
-  but now you know you've seen the worst.  Red, I'm seeing red! -
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd,rec.arts.movies
From: hafner@ifi.unizh.ch (Michel Hafner)
Subject: Finally on CD
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 10:42:29 GMT

Lately some coveted soundtracks ( at least by me ) have been released on CD
- SpaceCamp by John Williams ( Japan )
- Under Fire by Jerry Goldsmith ( Japan )
- Conan by Basil Poledouris ( Europe/USA )
- Mad Max III by Maurice Jarre/Tina Turner ( Europe )
								M.H.
From: miliu@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (zaphod beeblebrox)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Just Say Yesterday, Laid Back
Date: 26 Sep 92 08:46:50 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

10 minutes less and almost twice the cost compared to previous CDs
in the Just Say XXX series.  BLAH!

			Zaphod
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Import CD-5 all-clear jewel box source?
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:29:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mr. Lazlo's Temple Of The Mighty Rude-Boy Skank

gts@gnu.ai.mit.edu writes:

> hey, does anyone have a source for the CD boxes that import CD singles
> (and a few domestic) come in? 

Bags Unlimited (1 800 767 BAGS) sells slimline jewel cases -- $8.90 (ppd.)
for ten, progressively cheaper in larger quantities.  I've ordered two or
three batches from them and have been quite satisfied.  They also have
lots of other music collector's supplies -- sleeves, mailers, storage
boxes . . . 

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.cd