HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: goldy@iastate.edu (Murat Goldstayn)
Subject: Business with Israel and other nation's textile,medicine,cosmetic firm
Summary: TURKISH group of companies looks for representations of ISRAEL and
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 00:09:42 GMT

As a group of companies representing many companies from all around the 

world(including Ciba-Geigy and Omicron med.company Israel),we are looking

for business contacts, and representations from all around the world

especially from ISRAEL.

Murat GOLDSTAYN(GOLDSTEIN)                             Malka SULTANI
goldy@iastate.edu                                      (1)273 07 86 (Turkey)
515-296-9018(U.S.A.)









Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dobo@cs.UAlberta.CA (W. Dobosiewicz)
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 04:25:10 GMT

roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:

>[...lots of stuff deleted...]

>Well, "recently" must mean "within the last decade or so."  After all,
>around 1968 there were *massive* falsifications of Polish history wrt
>WWII, the Jews, etc.  Even the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising was revised to
>be understood as more a Polish rebellion than a Jewish one.  See
>Davidowicz.

I consider myself to be well versed in history, but I have not yet heard
this one. I do not know anybody by the name Dawidowicz, so instead of
seeing him/her, may I ask you to give some details of this revision. I
really want to know who wanted to "polonize" the Ghetto Uprising and for
what silly purposes (after all, Warsaw had its genuine "Polish" uprising
and there is no need to steal glory from anybody). Until you (or someone
else) bring in some details, I will suspect this is a malicious
fabrication.


>Well, why not?  I'd *love* to hear how Polish anti-Semitic sentiments
>grew, why they infected the nationalist parties, why the Aryan legislation
>of Nazi Germany began to be copied in Poland in the late 30's.  These 
>causes are the very thing that interests me.

Could you give ONE example of "Aryan legislation of Nazi Germany" (or
anything even remotely similar) that was adopted by the parliament of Poland
in the 30s?

I have to accuse you publicly of spreading lies. As you wanted examples of
anti-Polish false statements being promoted publicly by American Jews, you
have a good example now: one produced by yourself.
(Unless, of course, you give the example, in which case I will promptly
withdraw my accusations with appropriate apologies.)

W. Dobosiewicz
From: rubinoff@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Robert Rubinoff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: religion
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:33:03 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <yc3HsB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> murray@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (murray kahl) writes:
>I have just been told that the Hebrew word for religion (I assume dat) is 
>a relatively new word, as there was no need for it in Hebrew. 

"Dat" is a Persian word referring to an edict (perhaps only a royal one); it
is used in this sense in the Book of Esther.

   Robert
From: david@infopro.com (Dragon [David Fiedler])
Subject: Questions About a Hebrew Letter
Organization: InfoPro Systems: Writers, Consultants, and Dragons
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 03:55:16 GMT

I have just 4 questions...

1. What is the name of the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet?
2. How is this letter pronounced?
3. Was it always pronounced this way? 
4. If not, when was it changed and why?

Thanks in advance...

a very confused
-- 
David Fiedler    UUCP:{netcomsv,utoday}!infopro!david               AIR: N3717R
"The future is tekon."   Internet: david@infopro.com or david@utoday.com 
USMail:InfoPro Systems, PO Box 220 Rescue CA 95672 Phone:916/677-5870 FAX:-5873
From: friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Farrakhan, Malcom X and Jews
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:23:29 GMT
Reply-To: friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University


I am interested in some information, and I hope that scj'ers can help.

I am sure that most of you have heard of Louis Farrakhan.  He is the leader of
the Nation of Islam (black empowerment movement in the US) and a renound 
anti-Semite.  He is quoted as saying that Judaism is a "gutter religion"
and threatened the destruction of the world Jewish population if we 
(presumably Jews) tried to harm him.  

Farrakhan's predecesor as the leader of the Nation of Islam was Malcom X.

Is there any reason to believe that Malcom X had similar views to Farrakhan?
I am looking for sources of information on the position of Malcom X with 
respect to Jews.

I possess a file containing Farrakhans's lecture at Michigan State U in 1989
and an article by another leader in the Nation of Islam entitled "Did the 
Israeli Mossad Kill JFK?"  If given any requests I will post these files 
to scj.

Thanks,

Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: More Questions
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:44:41 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct12.191604.9683@techbook.com> bferguso@techbook.com (Robert Ferguson) writes:
>What is considered as inspired by God in all the literature?  Is it the
>Hebrew bible only or is the Mishna (beyond the Torah) included?  What about
>the Gemara, this is just commentary is'nt it? and the Midrash, are these
>just commentary only?  Someone mentioned that liberal Jews do not accept the
>oral law as inspired; does this, therefore, mean that all other Jews accept
>the entire Talmud as inspired.

1) The Torah (five books of Moses only) were not only divinly
   inspired, but were divinely authored.
2) The prophets and scriptures were divinely inspired, but they were
   written by men.
3) The Oral tradition was given directly to Moses.  It was passed on
   via word of mouth for many many generations.  The Mishna (and the
Talmud and all the commentaries) is based on this Oral tradition, but
is not the literal word of the Oral traditions.  It is a huge
compilation of discussions designed to clarify and explain the Oral
traditions, since the original word-of-mouth wording was lost long
ago.  The decisions of the Rabbis in these works are considered
binding as if God, himself made them.

The liberal Jews believe that part 3 is purely a concoction of the
Rabbis, and has no basis in Jewish Law.  They believe that since a
bunch of men made it up (a premise the Orthodox deny 100%) it can be
accepted, altered or discarded at will.  Obviously, some groups are
more liberal than others.

>What is the Judaic view of the biblical creation materials?  Is it a
>creationist type outlook or is it all allegorized away?

A bit of both.  The words in the Torah are considered fact, but there
are different ways to read the same words.
-- 
David Charlap         |"there aren't 50,000 things for which it's worth writing
dic5340@hertz.njit.edu| software; and the computer industry doesn't have enough
----------------------+ programmers to create that much good software.
Therefore, most of it must be worthless" -- Boris Beizer "The Frozen Keyboard"
From: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM (Janice Gelb)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Sukkah at work?
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:56:29 GMT
Reply-To: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin

In article 141092092818@145.1.92.160, CPLS13@email.mot.com (Steven_Cohn) writes:
>Does anyone know of an employer (outside of Israel) that allows its
>employees to erect a Sukkah on their property?  We have a large number of
>observant people at our place of business and I have often thought of
>approaching the company to let us build one to use for lunches (at the
>employee's cost!).  Just wondering if it has been done elsewhere, so I can
>point to examples and precedence.


Well, the JNF offices in Manhattan had a succah, but I doubt that's
going to carry much weight with Motorola!


********************************************************************************
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janiceg@marvin.eng.sun.com   | "A silly message but mine own" (not Sun's!) 
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Can we end this thread then?
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:35:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: njitgw.1992Oct16.183530.23849
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct16.093817.3088@ascii.co.jp> marbm-b@ascii.co.jp (Marcos Bachir Mubaied) writes:
>	Come on!! Let us try to discuss the facts coldly.

Yes.  Since there hasn't been one fact this entire thread, let's all
just shut up.
-- 
David Charlap         |"there aren't 50,000 things for which it's worth writing
dic5340@hertz.njit.edu| software; and the computer industry doesn't have enough
----------------------+ programmers to create that much good software.
Therefore, most of it must be worthless" -- Boris Beizer "The Frozen Keyboard"
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The I-can't-believe-they-got-a-hescher-on-this thread
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:43:49 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)

In article <1992Oct8.181138.12717@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ask@cbnews (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
>So in such a world, why should anyone be surprised at kosher
>anything?  And if it has a UO on it, why mock someone who buys it.

Who's mocking?  My choice of subject means just what it says.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: BIG NOSES
Organization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel
Date: 10 Oct 92 22:31:12 GMT

c.f. the current parashah: "af chovev amim"

-- 
/|/-\/-\       The entire world		Jerusalem
 |__/__/_/     is a very strange signature virus.
 |warren@      But the hiker
/ nysernet.org is concerned.
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: * Yeshu ? *
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:08:53 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio

In article <2408@itexjct.jct.ac.il> warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein) writes:
>In <9210141733.AA22568@ptms_dev.sbi.com> gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler) writes:
>
>> There is no n+1 "coming" for n not equal to zero.
>
>must n be an integer?

A positive integer less than two; else we could talk of the Pi-th
coming, ...
-- 
Art (Sometimes I'm not all there) Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  
                                          AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: PLEASE! I need your help! Help me keep this love alive!
Reply-To: jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:55:03 GMT

Alas,  People are people is no answer to the situation
that  G-d is G-d.  You may not like it, and you may deny it,
but in my mind, you, me and G-d have a covenant.  If you break
your contract, it does not break the one that G-d has with
the Jewish people.  

The one you love may be a lovely person.  If you care so much
for her, why don't you wan't to let her have the
joy of being part of the Jewish people and having a Jewish
home and family.  

Julian Yudelson
kal Israel chaverim
From: seidman@eng.auburn.edu (Stephen Seidman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jews on the US Supreme Court
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:16:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct16.211600.23474
Reply-To: seidman@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering


There have been several Jewish Supreme Court Justices besides Brandeis:

	Benjamin Cardozo

	Felix Frankfurter

	Arthur Goldberg

	Abe Fortas


Although I have no reference sources here, I would also have guessed that Brandeis
was the first Jew appointed to the court (by Wilson, I believe).


Steve Seidman
Computer Science and Engineering
Auburn University
From: lmk2@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: sexism
Date: 14 Oct 1992 22:11:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu


just a question:  How many men who defend the sex roles in 
orthodox practice would switch places?  That is, stay home,
have babies, look after the house, ask your wife when you want
to go somewhere if she can drive you, and never have any time
to study Torah (or very little)?  the obvious answer would be
that women just naturally don't have to study Torah or that
they don't want to.  Let's hear some non-obvious answers.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:17544 soc.culture.polish:3152
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: A personal experience in Poland
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:23:13 GMT
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Oct13.080210.28160@fuw.edu.pl> michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper) writes:
>>I just returned from a trip to Poland where I tried to find
>>remnants of Jewish life. There's nothing left, even the
>>cemeteries were destroyed. 

>Where did you look for those cemeteries?  I can assure you
>there are still some Jewish cemeteries in Poland.

Correct.  Some are indeed neglected to the point of being overgrown,
etc., and some were destroyed in war, pogroms, etc.  But many remain
intact, or at least in fair condition.  My father has an on-line index
of the graves in the Gliwice (olim Gleiwitz) Jewish Cemetery, for
instance; he based it on the record-book that the custodian (there 
still is one) had.  

Roger
From: memco@cns.nyu.edu (I'm not quite sure.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Luther references
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:55:59 GMT
Reply-To: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University


	Recently in personal correspondence, while
trying to explain why Jews tend to be sensitive about
prostyletizing, I paraphrased some things I had read about Martin Luther
and his feelings about Jews.

	I mentioned how Martin claimed to love Jews and felt the
only reason we hadn't accepted Jesus and Chrisitianity was the 
Bible was in Latin. He was sure that as soon as he was done with
his translation into German, we'd "see the light".

	When he was finished and the Jews said "That's nice, we
still don't believe", Martin suggested (to the best of my recollections)
that Synagogues be burned and Jews driven from their villages.

	I last read this stuff in high school and have no
references or quotes. Could someone please help?

	Thanks.

---
memco@wotan.cns.nyu.edu
From: jms@vision.sarnoff.com (Jerry Shapiro x2420)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: sexism
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:52:01 GMT
Reply-To: jms@vision.sarnoff.com
Organization: David Sarnoff Research Center

In article 1473@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com, mwertz1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Melanie Wertz) writes:
>What can s.c.j. readers tell me about the following situation:  A
>Jewish woman -- call her Elizabeth -- marries a gentile man.  Their
>daughter, Mary Jane, also marries a gentile; and also _THEIR_ daughter,
>Leah.  Are the children of _THEIR_ daughter, Enid, Jewish by birth?  In
>this hypothesis, only Elizabeth identified herself as Jewish.  The
>children in question are Elizabeth's great-great-grandchildren in the
>straight matrilineal line:
>
>    Elizabeth->Mary Jane->Leah->Enid->the children in question.
>
>Yes, this situation is not REALLY hypothetical.  I am one of the
>great-great-grandchildren referred to above.  The rest of the true
>story is that Enid happened to marry a Jewish man, my father Allan.  I
>eliminated any uncertainty in my case by having a halakhic conversion
>(Bet Din of Southern California, av-bet-din Rabbi Shlomo Katz, 1988).
>But I am VERY curious to know whether halakha would term me Jewish by
>birth, assuming I could bring solid documentary evidence that Elizabeth
>was indeed Jewish.  And are my brothers and sisters (who have _not_
>converted) Jewish?
>
>A few years ago I heard one emphatic opinion that the answer would be
>yes.  Other opinions?
>-- 
>
> |\/|  /_\  \/
> |  | /   \ /\                              lms@torreypinesca.ncr.com


There are other movements (particularly Reconstructionist, Reform and
to some extent, Conservative) that have "modernized" Judaism without
abandoning it. In our Recon. congregation, we have a women Rabbi, and
everyone is equal. Much of the liturgy has been amended to include
references to Matriarchs, and translations often alternate between a
male and female reference to G-d. Judaism is far more than a literal
translation of the Tanach. You may not want to throw the baby out with the
bathwater.

Jerry
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:21:13 EDT
From: <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The I-can't-believe-they-got-a-hescher-on-this thread
Distribution: na
 <92121@netnews.upenn.edu> <1992Oct8.181138.12717@cbnews.cb.att.com>
 <1992Oct8.205324.18322@netcom.com>

In article <1992Oct8.205324.18322@netcom.com>, solovay@netcom.com (Andrew
Solovay) says:
>
>And BTW: When I kept kosher, it used to really bug me that Easter
>candy was never kosher-certified. Y'see, right after Easter it
>went on sale...

Apropos of this, Israel Shenker in his book "Noshing Is Sacred" writes of
seeing a complete line of kosher Santa Clauses at a Kosher Food Trade
Fair. The Santa Clauses were made in Israel in a Kosher plant and were
thus kosher. But the sellers didn't advertise that fact "because the
Gentile won't buy them if they know it's kosher. Jews won't buy them,
kosher or not kosher."

Great book, BTW.
Rabbi Charles Arian
CARIAN@american.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:17610 soc.culture.polish:3168
From: isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Isaac Balbin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: A personal experience in Poland
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:24:44 GMT
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute

matthew@stats.mu.oz.au (Maciek Blasikiewicz) writes:

>jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879) writes:

>>painting, after all, that "educated" generations of poles (and
>>similar artwork did the same for others around the world) so that
>>they were prepared to actively participate in the "final solution."
>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>So tell us, Douglas, where can we find more about how Poles ACTIVELY
>participated in the "final solution". Did they come-up with the idea of
>mass extermination, did they build the death camps, did they run them?
>Tell us their names, Douglas, so we can hunt them down, and punish them.


To actively participate is to do what some murderous Poles did to my 
great Uncle and his family. Shoot them in cold blood because
they were Jew pigs. That is ACTIVELY participating in the final
solution. If it isn't active enough for you Blasikiewicz then 
you should awaken. It was enough for my family.

Are you going to hunt them down Blasikiewicz?

Tell us about your family. Where was it, what did it do during the
final solution.

Half of my family were murdered by POLES and the other half saved
by POLES. We still send gifts to those who were good, but to those
who behaved like animals, and my father tells me they were far
from a minority (my father was saved by POLES) they can GO TO ROT
IN HELL.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: here we go again....
Summary: Death before smileys
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:36:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.141415.19787@yang.earlham.edu> uril@yang.earlham.edu (Uri J. Lessing) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.160318.18621@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, alu@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (Alan Lustiger) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct6.134149.26842@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>>>In article <1992Oct05.135516.4687@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>
>>>nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>>>
>>>>You had a monopoly on the media for the past 40 years. Is it too much
>>>>if the Arabs side presented their case now?
>>>
>>>Don't forget the banks.  Jews controlled all those, too.  We also
>>>controlled all the bakeries, and swimming pool cleaning franchises.
>> 
>> And when we get to dominate women's professional wrestling, our
>> goals will be complete! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>
>And then are true world domination will almost be complete when we 
>monopolize all the 7-11s in the world!!! HAHHAAHHHAHAAHHHHA!

Well, I'll know we rule the world when Letterman converts.
Ah-heh-heh-heh.
-- 
Andrew M. Solovay       "Work is the curse of the drinking class."
solovay@netcom.com			--Wilde

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff)
Subject: HaMaayan
Reply-To: ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff)
Organization: Technion IIT, Haifa Israel
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:34:45 GMT


Does anyone have back issues of HaMaayan on ananymous ftp available?

I am trying to reprint a few of them.

Thanks

--
________________________________________________________________________
|            Ben Pashkoff                 BEN@VMSA.TECHNION.AC.IL      |
|                                                                      |
| "There is nothing better for the body than silence." Pirke Avot 1:17 |
|______________________________________________________________________|
From: aaronm@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (aaron meyerowitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: sorry for the garbage
Date: 14 Oct 92 06:33:37 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

My reply to the post on stocks got posted before I was done editing
and I can't manage to cancel it. SORRY