HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gillisad@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Allan D. Gillis)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Flying flea info wanted
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:36:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.


  There is a good article about the Flying Flea's shortcomings in a book 
  called "The World's Worst Aircraft" by a British author whose name
  escapes me.  It seems the problem with the design was a fundamental one
  stemming from the placement of the wings.  Perhaps this problem has since
  been corrected.

  Anyway, if you can find a copy of the book (try the public libraries) it
  should tell you a lot more than I can.


  -Allan Gillis
  Technical University of Nova Scotia
  Halifax, Nova Scotia
  Canada

  gillisad@tuns.ca
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From: tel@cbnews.cb.att.com (thomas.e.lester)
Subject: Re: Buying planes and training in them
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:07:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.145636.20671@yang.earlham.edu> alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu writes:
>Some friends of mine and I are thinking of buying my dad's '45 Navion.  One of
>the guys already has a license, and the other three of us start ground school
>in January.  The guy that has a license pretty much thinks we shouldn't use the
>Navion to get our license because it will be hard on the plane.  However, one
>of the main reasons for buying a plane in the first place is to help with the
>cost of getting a license.  Around here it is $3000 with instruction and a
>plane, and $1000 if you have your own plane.  With three people, that adds up
>(even if we do "rent" the plane to ourselves...)  What are other people's
>feelings on this?

	My opinion:  If you all three are serious about flying, it is a 
    good way to save some bucks. My highest rate of flying was during 
    student training.  However, it is true that students are harder on a 
    plane than some pilots. (not all :-( )  So: Be careful.  The guy with 
    the license may feel as if you "beginners" are beating up "his" airplane.
	This may lead to hard feelings and arguments.  Perhaps suggest that
    he not pay any "wear and tear" maintenance during the training
    or perhaps a reduced share. Limit the length of time for this up front.
    Some people may be students for life.

	I would not partner with anyone unless I knew them very well 
	and had some idea of how they would want to maintain "their"
	aircraft.   If you disagree, some people may want to pour tons
	of money into the latest whiz-bang gizmo while others want to
	hold the plane together with chewing gum and bailing wire.

	Disagreements like this lead to people feeling either cheated
	spending more than they want or endangered with an "unsafe"
	airplane.   

	Proceed with caution and get agreement all around.
	Once you have your license, you may change your mind on the 
	kind of flying you want and may end up selling the plane.
	But hey, it would be a kick to own your own.

	Good luck!

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From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: Re: Speed of Sound for props
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:26:33 GMT

JESTER@vax1.elon.edu (John Jester) writes:

>In regards to the question of a speed of sound prop plane I believe
>that Rutan is up to something in that area.  He was planning to build one 
>but the last I heard of that was a while back.  One problem with going
>faster than the speed of sound would be your props would be going faster than 
>the speed of sound well before the plane was.  I would think that major 
>stresses would be placed on the prop.
>--John

>I am NOT an engineer so don't get on my case if I am way off.


Maybe this will help...



First of all.. 900 feet per second is about the max prop speed... due to the drag rise assoicated with
a prop spinning that fast... 

With no reduction gearing, a 6 foot diameter prop is limited to >>ABOUT<< 3000 RPM.


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From: verhulst@raven.aosg.gsf.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Float Plane in North East?
Keywords: Float training
Organization: AOSG
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:37:46 GMT

>I'm interested in getting float plane certification in the Boston area, but 
>can't find anyone offering it. I'm a Canuck, and way up where I'm from, 
>everyone offers it. Any info?

>E.M. O'Connor

You're in luck.  Try the seaplane base in Methuen MA.  They're on the Merrimack
river just off of interstate 93.  If you're driving on 93 in that area and see
the yellow sign warning you of low flying aircraft, you're there :-).

Tony V.
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From: n36f@pnet16.cts.com (Et2 Ellingson)
Subject: Re: Speed of Sound for props
Organization: People-Net [pnet16], NCTAMS EASTPAC
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:36:03 GMT

JESTER@vax1.elon.edu (John Jester) writes:
>In regards to the question of a speed of sound prop plane I believe
>that Rutan is up to something in that area.  He was planning to build one 
>but the last I heard of that was a while back.  One problem with going
>faster than the speed of sound would be your props would be going faster than 
>the speed of sound well before the plane was.  I would think that major 
>stresses would be placed on the prop.
>--John
>
>I am NOT an engineer so don't get on my case if I am way off.
>
>______!______
>    \(|)/
>    o/ \o

That is not the reason since lockheed build a plane that had a counter
rotating prop that the prop broke the sound barrier. the problem was that 
there was one sonic boom after the other making it very load for anyone not in
the plane.
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From: plummer@vax  (William W. Plummer)
Subject: Ham radio forbidden in plane?
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Keywords: ham, amateur radio
Reply-To: plummer@babyoil.ftp.com
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:54:15

In my studies I came across an FAR that seemed to forbid use of
amateur radio equipment, not only a transmitter, in a plane.  Is
this correct?  If so, is the idea to prevent interference with the
plane's radios?  Is this a real possibility with properly aligned
equipment?  --Bill

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FTP Software, Inc.		2 High Street		N. Andover MA 01845


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From: shade@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Douglas Shade)
Subject: Lycoming, old used up motors
Reply-To: shade@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:18:18 GMT

Hi netters:

I was recently reading an article on VW engine swaps.  Several companies
make adapters for just about any motor to the VW transmission (transaxle).
It got me thinking...  (uh oh)

What sort of horsepower is produced by a 4 cylinder Lycoming?

Are these motors ever decomissioned from flight service? (i.e. affordable?!?)

Can the average Joe go and get a used up but still running Lycoming?

Knowing VWs, I think a pilot/builder must have a certain sense of adventure
to use a VW motor on an aircraft.  Not being quite so brave, I was toying
with the idea of using a Lycoming on my buggy.

Thanks, Doug

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Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: uab1018@dircon.co.uk (Frank Leonhardt)
Subject: Re: Speed of Sound for props
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:32:34 GMT


>One problem with going faster than the speed of sound would
>be your props would be going faster than the speed of sound 
>well before the plane was

I always thought the end of some props did this anyway - which 
is why early microlights (a.k.a. ultralights) made such a noise 
(not counting the lack of exhaust silencer).
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------ London, England Tel: ++44 81 429 3047, Fax: ++44 81 868 3754 ------
From: bboswell@dante.NMSU.Edu (Brent Boswell)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Buying planes and training in them
Date: 16 Dec 92 06:34:59 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University

In article <1992Dec13.145636.20671@yang.earlham.edu> alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu  
writes:
> Some friends of mine and I are thinking of buying my dad's '45 Navion.  One  
of
> the guys already has a license, and the other three of us start ground school
> in January.  The guy that has a license pretty much thinks we shouldn't use  
the
> Navion to get our license because it will be hard on the plane.  However, one
> of the main reasons for buying a plane in the first place is to help with the
> cost of getting a license.  Around here it is $3000 with instruction and a
> plane, and $1000 if you have your own plane.  With three people, that adds up
> (even if we do "rent" the plane to ourselves...)  What are other people's
> feelings on this?
> 
> Thanks,
> Alan
> alanmoore@mu.cc.earlham.edu
Yikes!!!  A NAVION???  That's an expensive plane to earn your rating in...  The  
one the FBO I work at rents for over $100/hour, and the FBO's owner says that  
even at that rate he hardly earns a profit renting it!!!
I am a student in a Cessna 150 that rents for $16 an hour (through a local  
flight club!).  My instructor has always told me it's best to start in the  
little "puddle jumpers" because they're so underpowered that it teaches you  
good piloting habits that transfer well to larger planes (such as C172's,  
182's, Bonanzas, Navions, etc.).

Just my two cents worth...

BTW have you considered re-selling the Navion and using the proceeds to buy a  
nice trainer-type, four seater such as a Cessna 172 or Piper Cherokee?
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
From: barnett@convex.com (Paul Barnett)
Subject: Re: Buying planes and training in them
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:28:37 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Dec13.145636.20671@yang.earlham.edu> alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu writes:

>Some friends of mine and I are thinking of buying my dad's '45 Navion. 

....

>However, one of the main reasons for buying a plane in the first
>place is to help with the cost of getting a license.

.....

Be sure to take into account a realistic estimate of the operating
costs of your plane (your Dad can help).  The "sticker" price is only
a fraction of your total costs over a number of years... there's gas,
maintenance, insurance, etc, etc, (and more etc).

The cost for my first year on my 172 (when I got my instrument rating)
was $40.00 per hour, including the payments I made on the financing.
Yeah, I know, I will get some of that back when I sell it, but it's a
useful guideline.  Rental of a comparable plane would have cost me
about $60.00 per hour, and I flew about 250 hours that year.

It's been downhill (the number of hours) ever since.  But I still do
OK, since my plane is paid for.... but not my new (replacement) DME :(
 
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Convex Computer Corp.      Office: 214-497-4846
Richardson, TX        Mobile/Home: 214-236-8438
From: guy.byars@ssabbs.org (Guy Byars) 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: EAGLE FIELD NEEDS HELP!
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:34:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Soaring Society of America's BBS (513)-871-7720
Reply-To: guy.byars@ssabbs.org (Guy Byars) 


  The following is a letter I received from Karl Striedieck.

                   Calling all letter writers!!!

Dear Friends,

This  letter  is  a plea for help in fighting a  threat  to  Eagle
Field.   The  problem is a new highway that could  obliterate  the
airfield  and leave us with one less outstanding flying site.   An
avalanche of letters, computer, handwritten or otherwise, from all
over  the  US could be quite effective in ensuring that the  final
location will not affect the airfield.

Here is a sketch of the situation:

US route 220 from Cumberland to  Elmira  is  being  replaced with
a  four-lane  limited  access highway.   A decision has been made
to reroute it over Bald  Eagle Ridge  and this puts Eagle Field in
jeopardy.  PennDOT is studying various  corridor locations and
engineers will narrow the  choices to three by March and pick a
final route by October 1993.

Early  input  (squeaky hinge theory) will give  planners  room  to
select   an  aerodrome-saving  alternative,  so  your   voice   is
important.  Here are some points to consider:

- Soaring  is  being squeezed  and we must save the sites we have.
- Eagle Field  is  a unique  and irreplaceable site in that it is
  located on  the  most productive record setting mountain range in
  the world.
- Six  men  and three women have established numerous  world  and
  national records from Eagle Field.

The  highway folks refer to tax maps and last names,  but  if  you
mention  "Striedieck" or "the airstrip near  Skytop"  it  will  be
clear what you are talking about.

Address letters to:

Mr. George Khoury
District Engineer PennDOT
1924 Daisy Street
Clearfield, Pa 16830

I  suspect these people rarely get interest about their work  from
outside  the  area  of  impact.  A ton of letters  from  the  four
corners  of  the  US plus Europe should be a novel experience  for
them  and  will  facilitate a routing that doesn't cancel  another
gliding site.

Please  write  soon.  Nothing fancy or long-winded  is  necessary.
Mail volume is everything.

                       Thanks for helping!!


Karl H Striedieck
RD 1 Box 118
Port Matilda, Pa 16870
814 237 7996
From: guy.byars@ssabbs.org (Guy Byars) 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: RE: BBS FOR THE SSA
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:43:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Soaring Society of America's BBS (513)-871-7720
Reply-To: guy.byars@ssabbs.org (Guy Byars) 


> From: Michael Steckner <steckner@lri.uwo.ca>
> Subject: RE: BBS FOR THE SSA
>
>
> SUPER! Glad someone took the task on. Will the email address for
> internet be permanent? ie will it still be good when the BBS moves to
> Hobbs, or is it simply part of the debug stage while in Ohio?
>

  The domain will probably be SSABBS.ORG, but I am still working out
  that issue.  The newsfeed is infoserv and the domain will remain
  the same for the duration.

>
> Will it mirror rec.aviation.soaring?

  rec.aviation.* (sans Military and IFR) plus rec.birds and
  sci.aeronautics are each carried in a separate conference on the BBS.
  They are updated at 0900Z each morning.  Email is also sent/received
  at the same time.

  This BBS will provide access to rec.aviation.soaring to SSA members
  who wouldn't ordinarily have internet access.

>
> Will the BBS stuff be dumped to r.a.s?

  Not automatically, however, since r.a.* is carried there, it is a
  simple matter to cross post material from the BBS to r.a.*.  As Sysop,
  I will try to keep a bi-directional flow of information.

>
> What type of stuff will be one it?

  Scoresheets, scoring programs, calendar of events, reports from SSA
  Directors and committee chairmen ... etc.  All the standard BBS stuff.
  There is also a conference for each SSA Affiliate and Division, one
  for calendar of events... etc.

  Also, I have a page scanner with OCR and will try to supplement the
  BBS with any documents I come across.
.
>
> What about gliders for sale? Will this tie in with the advert section
> of the SSA soaring mag?

  There is a "Trading Post" conference for want ads.  _Unfortunately_,
  the ads from Soaring magazine will NOT be carried at this time.

>
> Will I be able to contact people in the SSA office eventually?

  As this is a "new" thing for the SSA HQ, some time will be required
  for them to assemilate the BBS into their routine.
         "A journey of a 1000 miles begins with a single step."


  The reference manual is available on the BBS: "REFGUIDE.TXT" which
  will give the very basics on how to use it.  A complete detailed users
  guide is being written.


  Jim Wang mentioned you were working on a FAQ file for r.s.a.  I would
  like to include this file on the BBS.  Would you please keep me up to
  date on the status of this file.

                                Thank you,

                                Guy Ford Byars (11)
      
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From: peny@ppc.lpc.ethz.ch (Peter Nyffeler ,x4399)
Subject: Soaring in Brazil? (2nd call)
Reply-To: peny@ppc.lpc.ethz.ch
Organization: ETH-Zuerich, Physical-Chemistry-Lab. - Switzerland
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 12:26:10 GMT

In October I asked in this newsgroup for soaring possibilities in Brazil.

Sergio Cavalcanti repied me, that there is a soaring club near Sao Jose dos Campos.
Unforunatly I lost cantact with him.

Does anyone know (or you Sergio), whom I may contact there?
I make my holliday in Brazil from Dec.27th to Jan.29th. 

P.S. I tried to send this measage allredy yesterday, but it seem to me it did not
     work.
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Switzerland					|  ___  ___  | Soaring
e-mail:peny@ppc.lpc.ethz.ch			|     \/     | Club
fax: ..41 1 252 34 02				|  ___  ___  | Zuerich 
tel: ..41 1 256 43 99				\     \/     /  
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From: mjohnson@ssesco.com (Michael Johnson)
Subject: Re: want to get started soaring
Organization: SSESCO
Distribution: wny
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:02:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.185232.15209@ee.rochester.edu>, dela@ee.rochester.edu (Del Armstrong) writes:
|> In article <mac9067-101292112053@tempeh.isc.rit.edu>, mac9067@cs.rit.edu (Mark Collien) writes:
|> 
|> |>I am interested in getting started as a glider pilot.  If anyone
|> |>can tell where I might find a ground school and pointers to clubs in the 
|> |>Rochester/WNY area I would appreciate it.
|> 
|> It sounds like you might be interested in the Rochester Soaring Club,
|> which flies out of Dansville NY. The RSC offers three types of
|> arrangements which might appeal to you.
|> 
 more stuff deleted...

Does anyone know of an organization like this in Minnesota?

mike.

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From: guy.byars@ssa.com (Guy Byars) 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: WANTED: 1-26
Date: 12 Dec 92 13:10:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Soaring Society of America's BBS
Reply-To: guy.byars@ssa.com (Guy Byars) 


  I am posting this for a friend:

                WANTED:  1-26  Good Condition

                Contact: Marita Rea
                         Richmond VA
                         804-320-1569 h
                         804-780-7678 o

                        Or I can relay an Email message if you
                        mail me at feguy@cvg.sdrc.com

                                        Guy Byars (11)
From: guy.byars@ssa.org (Guy Byars) 
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
Subject: SSA BBS DOMAIN
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:07:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Soaring Society of America's BBS (513)-871-7720
Reply-To: guy.byars@ssa.org (Guy Byars) 


  The domain for the Soaring Society of America is now operational.
It is:
                       @SSA.ORG

It can be used to send Email to a user of the SSA's new BBS.  The format
of the address is:

                        firstname.lastname@ssa.org

If you have any questions or comments you can _NOW_ Email me at:

                        guy.byars@ssa.org

                                                            gfb
                                                                                     
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
From: dick@hpqtdmba.sqf.hp.com (Dick Middleton)
Subject: Re: PG winter flying in the UK (ridges)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:54:16 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard LTD, South Queensferry, Scotland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL7]

Henrik Klagges (uh311ae@sunmanager.LRZ-Muenchen.DE) wrote:

: I am looking for a ridge (maybe coastal) site in the UK that would
: also work in the winter. Note: I am looking for a paraglider site


Come to Portmoak in Scotland (near Edinburgh). We have a ridge which always
works in the prevailing wind, is near the coast (although that's possibly a
disadvantage) and is frequently used by paragliders. There is a paraglider
club nearby but not part of the gliding club at Portmoak.

Dick

dick@hpsqf.sqf.hp.com

Xref: sparky rec.aviation.soaring:398 rec.aviation.homebuilt:498
From:  ()
Subject: WANTED:  Used VARIO for XMAS
Followup-To: rec.aviation.soaring
Organization: SPS
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:09:28 GMT

My wife is a hang III pilot in the USHGA and recently totaled her vario in
a "bonked" landing.  I'm looking for a used Vario $100 - $400 range to
replace it for her.  If you have any info please contact

           Don Eydenberg  (602) 821-4475

Thank You.
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.soaring
From: cohler@vxcrna.cern.ch (Mike Cohler)
Subject: Wave in the UK 13th December
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:48:00 GMT

Yesterday, the was considerable wave activity in the northern UK. Winds
were between westerly and northwesterly, and pilots from Dishforth were
soaring to 12,000 feet, whilst near Rufforth we had several pilots soaring
to 8,000 feet.  Any reports of wave elsewhere in the UK please ??  I am
trying to correlate the extensiveness of wave conditons when it happens.
The winds were around 30 knots at the surface and 45 knots at 1200 feet,
with around 50 knots at 5000 feet.... I didnt get above 5200 feet so I
could not estimate the wind strength above that height.... again, any
info apprectiated.
Thanks
Mike]

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