From: tfpayn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Quit the ROBOTECH bashing!
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:53:51 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <priss.718771912@glia>, priss@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Lisa) writes:
> In <LFegsB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> vlad@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Vlad G. Pohnert) writes:
> 
>>00gdwessel@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
> 
>>- Hey, what is up with all the ROBOTECH bashing on this, huh?
>>- 
>>- OK, maybe it wasn't THE best series, but as far as an introduction to the mas
>>- American market it was ART at it's finest.
>>- 
>>- And ROBOTECH HAS lead me to actively seek out other stuff(ie RANMA 1/2, AKIRA
>>- DIRTY PAIR[btw everytime you use DP, I think "Doom Patrol." Sorry], etc.)....
>>- 
>>- So cut it out, huh?!?!
> 
> Actually, I believe the Robotech Bashing is mostly because of the person responsible for putting it up... Carl Macek.  I have seen Galaxy Express 999 dubbed, and it was done fairly decently.  However, trying to tie several different story lines to one thing is bad.  To use the same voices for some of the series is worse.  Even more, to change the actual program to make it seem like a happy ending is criminal.
>  
> A friend of mine has met Mr. Macek before, and talked to him straight in the face.  The problem with Macek, is that he lacks the understanding of how dubbing is okay, if you do it correctly.  Macek is a business man, not an Anime Fan.  Thus, there is the major hatred for Robotech, since Macek is making American Anime Fans think this is what the story is about.  It loses the flavor the Japanese intended and it also makes the story a little incomprehensible to us.
> 
> I have sat down at the showing of Akira in both English and the Original showing.  The english dubbed version was 'sanitized' because the people who did the dubbing disapproved of the literal translation of swear words.  IT is because the people who are doing the dubbing are considering the 'younger' audience, when Akira was meant not only the 'younger' audience, but for all people.
> 
> This is one of the things that makes Subtitling much nicer and desireable.  AnimEigo is not worried nor catering to just the 'younger' audiences like Macek is.  Anime was made for all ages to enjoy, not just the little kid behind the TV.
> 
> Macek should be aimming for the cute, little kid stuff they show on TV, not some of the decent shows like Akira, Vampire Hunter D, Nadia, or Macross.  Each of those series have people who like it, but it is ruined instantly with the repetative voice actors/actresses they use and also the 'sanitation' and 'editting' they do to it.
> 
> I have nothing against Dubbing or Robotech, however, I do have an extreme dislike to a business major whose only goal is to sell a lot, and not keep the object of people's interest the same.
> 

No flames, here, I just want to argue.....

I saw ALL of ROBOTECH, er, make that Macross, the first series, AND the orginal
Japanese MACROSS afterwards (I even have the picture-novel, or whatever it's
called of MACROSS.)..

I disagree.  I think that, like my other post says, that ROBOTECH is perfect
for the beginner.  It's a great introduction to characters and such.  I found
the characters in MACROSS intriguing after seeing ROBOTECH, they had more
depth, some simpler than others, if not more HUMAN.  Macek, I agree, did a
somewhat AMERICAN job with ROBOTECH, and a lot could have been improved, but
wasn't this targetted at the 4-13 audience?  

DIdn't any of you see the toys in Toys-R-Us or other stores? Hell, I've got
almost all of them!  Including the Revell models!

An english version of MACROSS was made, only the second half of the movie,
called 'CLASH OF THE BIONOIDS'-------VERY HEAVILY EDITED, but with most of the
Japanese gestures and feelings still in place.....an EXCELLENT dub, not a
result of Mr. Macek's efforts.

Hell, if a kid's show can get my to clean-up the clearance aisle of a kid's
store, and turn me in to a frenzied ANIME monster, what more can you say?

Tom-Hangin'-by-a-thread

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