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From: cloos@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (James H. Cloos Jr.)
Subject: HELP: need help recovering 95's C: drive
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies, Ithaca, NY 14853
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 08:20:40 GMT

I've suffered a rather problematic crash of my C: drive on my 95lx; I
was wondering if anyone would be willing to lend my a RAM card to
attempt file recovery.  (I know, I know, there should have been
backups, but until my fd1000 to drive95 upgrade order gets filled (3
months so far, thanks to EduCALC's computer crash & backordered
drive95s) I lack the hardware to make backups.)

I prefer someone in the Western NY area, and am perfectly willing to
do the recovery attempt at your site--it should not take me very long
and any size card will work.

The card will of course need to be formatted for the 95, and must
contain a CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT set up to boot to DOS rather
than SYSMGR.  (SYSMGR would attempt to read C:\_DAT\APNAME.LST, and
that would be a problem.)

If this ends up involving postage costs, I'll pay both ways.

If I don't do this at your location, I'll need the card for no more
than somewhere between 12 and 48 hours, depending on the exact timing.

I'm also willing to put up some form of collateral.

Best case senario is someone in or near Buffalo.

I'll be reading my email usually between 0:00 and 2:00 hours, EDT.
(that is 4.00 to 5.00 zulu.)

Additional phone number: +1 716 673-1250.

-JimC
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.handhelds
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: Is there a FAQ??
Keywords: FAQ help handhelds palmtops
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:46:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.034526.21833@athena.mit.edu> andreast@athena.mit.edu (Andreas M Turanski) writes:
>I could have SWORN that I saw a FAQ to comp.sys.palmtops and/or
>comp.sys.handhelds at some point. I have been searching for them but
>to no avail.  Is there a FAQ?  Are there any archive sites especially 
>for Sharp Wizard and Psion Series 3.

I was working on a FAQ for a considerable amount of time, but things have 
gotten too busy here for me to complete(read:organize) it. If somebody wants
to take this over, I'd be more than happy to mail them the stuff I've
collected. Its basically about 6 months worth of various clippings from
c.s.p. and stuff I've figured out myself.
---Steve
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personal hells before the real one can get to him. I like to beat hell
to hell so to speak".--Spalding Gray "Monster in a box"
From: laub@Software.Mitel.COM (Boniface Lau)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Palmtop to run Mathcad
Date: 12 Sep 92 01:54:06 GMT
	<1992Sep11.011807.18550@uwm.edu>
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
In-reply-to: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu's message of 11 Sep 92 01:18:07 GMT

>>>>> On 11 Sep 92 01:18:07 GMT, anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber) said:

Anthony> In article <1992Sep9.022731.28998@sbcs.sunysb.edu> rick@cs.sunysb.edu (Rick Spanbauer) writes:
[...]
Anthony> >Are palmtop machines to the state where they can run
Anthony> >Windows?  If so, what would be a good choice of a machine
Anthony> >with ~2 mByte ram, ~25 mByte disk,

Anthony> I don't think there are any reasonable palmtops to run
Anthony> MS-Windows on. 

At first I thought the Sharp PC-3000 or PC-3100 (10Mhz 8088) could not
run Windows.  Just recently, I have heard people saying they did
successfully run Windows on the above palmtops. Of course, it was
slooooooow.
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From: autry@sgistl.stlouis.sgi.com (Larry Autry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Atari Portfolio Parallel File Transfers
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:47:35 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, St. Louis, MO

Will someone who knows please clarify the method of file transfer via the
parallel interface?  The documentation that comes with the "Smart"
Parallel Interface specifically states that it supports ALL parallel ports
bi-directional or not.  The APB (Accessories Peripherals Bulletin) states
otherwise.  Which is correct?  Is all of Atari documentation like this?

I have a Toshiba laptop which uses the parallel port connector alternately
for a floppy as well as a printer.  I'm going to assume that since I can't
get the Portfolio to work with the Toshiba, that it's not supposed to.

BTW, someone from Finland was inquiring about European availability of
peripherals.  The APB lists the address to contact in Europe as:

                                 DIP Ltd.
                                 32 Frederick Sanger Rd.
                                 Surrey Research Park
                                 Guildford, Surrey
                                 United Kingdom GU2 5XN
                                 Tel:(0483) 301555
                                 Fax:(0483) 301434
--
Larry Autry
Silicon Graphics, St. Louis
autry@sgi.com 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: spf@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm)
Subject: Shareware Appointment SW (was Re: new Hp95lx)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:25:33 GMT

From article <1992Sep10.163601.6359@crd.ge.com>, by roberts@luxor.crd.ge.com (Victor D Roberts):
> In article <1992Sep9.180150.18930@news.acns.nwu.edu> dish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Tony Goldish) writes:
>>2. is there a good ftp site to get some utilities for it...I know there is
>>supposed to be a very good shareware addin to the appt book, which allows
>>you to view one week at a time.

> The week-at-a-time program is weekabk.zip. Good program.

Does this allow you to see your appointments week-at-a-glance?  That seems
to me to be the biggest missing feature of the info I saw about the 95.
I visually scan my (paper) calendar (which is actually month-at-a-glance)
to look for holes when I'm trying to schedule something.  If this sort of
thing is available for the 95 then it improves the degree to which it meets
my needs.  (It's still a bit thick and heavy for shirt pocket, it would
seem, but I've been unable to actually hold one yet.)

Steve
From: raan@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Raan Young)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:53:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Help!  HP95 kaput (again!) - what's going on here?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops

> OK.  Do the cards really go in all the way and become flush?  Doesn't
> seem like that's going to happen with mine.

Well, eye-balling the ram card in mine, I'd say it is sticking out about
.5 mm ...

>> Just a thought.

> A good one.

Can't take all the credit -- I was passing on Everett's word's of wisdom.
Glad it worked out.

Raan
From: raan@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Raan Young)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:45:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Help!  HP95 kaput (again!) - what's going on here?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops

> Can someone please help?!  I need advice on what to do now.  My latest
> (3rd - after 2 exchanges) Derive ROM card can not be accessed by my
> HP95LX, even after I sent the '95 to Corvallis for servicing on this
> problem.  The card connector has never had any bent or missing pins!
> I own no other cards.

Hate to ask a dumb question, but are you pushing the card in all the
way?  The edge of the card should be flush with the side of the 95 --
there should be no card sticking out.  There is a noticable amount
of resistance in the last 1/8" of travel so it takes a fair bit of
force to seat the card.  We have heard of problems like you describe
that ultimately turned out to have been caused by this.

Just a thought.
Raan Young (raan@cv.hp.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: <None>
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:15:27 GMT

I'm trying to find a Pascal compiler that will run on an un-expanded
Atari Portfolio (102k actual free RAM)

-MYSTIC Pascal is too big to run.

-I have TurboPascal v.3.0 for my PC, and it is small (only 44k) and does not use
the full-screen menus of version 5 & 6 which I uses at my university, but
Turbo simply locks up when I attempt to run it on the Portfolio, although
compiled programs run fine.

-I ftp'ed "Visual Pascal," and it does run, but it has two major problems:
1)READ and READLN statements do not work properly; they seem to input a non-stop
sequence of nulls/spaces (I can't tell which because there is no ASC() function
in Visual Pascal.
2)The 2nd problem is that it is simply not a complete enough version of Pascal
for my needs.  I need a complete ISO Standard pascal  (this is for classroom
use, if anyone is curious)

Any suggestions?  Surely, if Turbo 3.0 is only 44k, there are ISO standard PD
(or Shareware) pascals out there without Turbo's extras that are that size and
don't require huge memory buffers.

Thanks!

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From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Does my Dream Machine exist? (may be FAQ...)
Date: 10 Sep 1992 11:46:56 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <112160039@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> stroyan@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mike Stroyan) writes:
>> >	1. Shirt pocket sized (6.5x3.5x0.5" or less)
>Actually, the HP95 is 1" thick.

...but it does fit in a shirt pocket, at least in the shirts I buy...
-- 
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            at midnight tonight." -- Dave Newkirk, WJ1Z
From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Battery life on the HP95LX
Summary: two weeks typical?
Date: 6 Sep 92 00:37:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Syracuse University

Some time ago I posted to the effect that I was getting only roughly
two weeks out of every pair of AAs, and got back suggestions that I
turn off my serial port (done - not much improvement), and I also heard
from several other users who complained that they too only get two to
four weeks of use out of a pair of AA batteries.

Is there anybody out there using the HP95LX every day who is getting
more than two or three weeks use out of an ordinary pair of AA
batteries?   


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: marc@sei.cmu.edu (Marc Graham)
Subject: Re: Wizard 8000 as a terminal
Keywords: wizard terminal
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:08:19 GMT


In article <1992Sep10.001156.20210@edsi.plexus.COM>, gcs@edsi.plexus.COM (Greg C. Steiner) writes:
|> 
|> I'd like to use my Sharp Wizard 8000 as a terminal to dial bbs's 
|> when I'm away from home.  I've read the documentation and it all 
|> seems pretty straight forward.   My questions are:
|> 
|> 1) Is it as easy as it seems?

I use my 8000 as a terminal to read my mail when I'm on the road. It's
certainly easy to use. The biggest problem is the screen size (or the
lack of small characters, whichever...). In fact, I don't use it for
bboards as it's too inconvenient. I heard that newer 8000's come with
vt100 emulation, which would make life easier, if true. Also, it's a
pain to answer mail of the form "Can we meet on such-and-such a
date..." when your calendar isn't accessible without disconnecting the
terminal*!@#&* :^{

Hints: Don't forget to put in pause characters (commas) in the phone
number when dialing out from a hotel (to give the switchboard time to
switch). I don't know how to get it to dial credit card calls (Does
anyone?) Big Hint: to send control characters (like Unix eof) use the
M+ key as a prefix!! (or is it the M- ? ) It's not documented
anywhere. (There's something about control characters in my 8000
manual. I forget what it is, but I remember its wrong!)

|> 2) How much is a Sharp CE-130T interface?  (give list & street 
|> price if known)

Is that the modem? I think I paid about $100 for mine. I got it from
Accessoral - 800 828 9888 They sell all the Sharp accessories.

And you might want to use the Sharp Tech support line: 800 732 8222 or
201 529 8789.


Marc H. Graham                    Software Engineering Institute
marc@sei.cmu.edu                  Carnegie Mellon University
(412) 268 7784                    Pittsburgh, PA   15213
                   
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops,comp.lang.perl
From: spf@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm)
Subject: Flipping list (was Re: HP95:  How to sort Phone Book entries?)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:44:43 GMT

 In article <112160041@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> rrd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ray Depew) writes:
>My brain slipped a gear when I was creating my Phone Book, and I was entering 
>all names first-name-first.  (It's been years since I encountered people who 
>referred to themselves as "Benedetti Giorgio" instead of "Giorgio Benedetti.")
>
>My Phone Book, as several of you privately and charitably pointed out, is
>ALREADY sorted:  with "Alan" at the beginning and "Tom" at the end.  Well,
>tie me to an anthill and smear my ears with jelly.
>
>I'll go back and edit all of the entries the hard way.  Chalk up another one 
>to User Screwups.

If you can get the file to a Unix system (or to MKS Tools on DOS), try:

		awk '{print $2, $1}' < oldfile > newfile

This will reverse the order of the first and second names.

Steve Frysinger
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: mikek@col.hp.com (Mike Karin)
Subject: Re: Battery life on the HP95LX
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:23:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

Does anyone know if battery life is significantly affected by the 
presence of a memory card?  I have the 1Meg HP card.


Mike Karin
Hewlett-Packard Co.
Colorado Springs Division
mikek@col.hp.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: jjprior@athena.mit.edu (Jack Prior)
Subject: Re: Battery life on the HP95LX
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:06:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.163254.6159@crd.ge.com> roberts@luxor.crd.ge.com (Victor D Roberts) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.222321.14146@col.hp.com> mikek@col.hp.com (Mike Karin) writes:
>>Does anyone know if battery life is significantly affected by the
>>presence of a memory card?  I have the 1Meg HP card.
>>
>My own battery current measurements indicate that the RAM card does not
>significantly increase battery current. The increase, if any, is less than
>1ma. Normal current in Light Sleep mode is 30 to 38 ma, and is about 120ma
>when actually doing something, like disk read/write or computing.

I bought a 1 meg card from Active Data a few weeks ago.  I noticed the
first set of batteries used with the card drained quickly so I've
monitored the last 2 sets.  I've gotten between 20 and 25 hours from
them.  I don't know what life I was getting without the card.

I think part of the perceived reduction of life is that once you have
a 1 meg card the machine you use it for more work in a given day thus
reducing the days/battery.

I think the 1st battery set may have been drained down by a DOS
application I wrote in Turbo Pascal.  It had a "repeat .. until
keypressed" loop that updated the date and time on the screen every 10
seconds.  Would this keep the current draw high even when the screen
was in "sleep" mode?  Now the program stops and waits with a "readkey"
statement and the drain rate seems slower.

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From: roberts@luxor.crd.ge.com (Victor D Roberts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Battery life on the HP95LX
Date: 7 Sep 92 10:27:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

In article <1992Sep5.203714.13812@newstand.syr.edu> mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline) writes:
>Some time ago I posted to the effect that I was getting only roughly
>two weeks out of every pair of AAs, and got back suggestions that I
>turn off my serial port (done - not much improvement), and I also heard
>from several other users who complained that they too only get two to
>four weeks of use out of a pair of AA batteries.
>
>Is there anybody out there using the HP95LX every day who is getting
>more than two or three weeks use out of an ordinary pair of AA
>batteries?


I have had my HP95LX for almost 1 year now. I can assure you that 2 to 3
weeks is perfectly normal. HP's claim of 1 to 2 months is pure hog wash.
Turning off the serial port reduces power consumption by about 25%, which
is important, but not the magical trick it is sometimes claimed to be.
Using the battery use time in 95BUDDY, I measure that the 2 to 3 weeks
of elapsed time translates into 12 to 15 hours of actual use.

One reason for the rather short battery life is that the low battery alarm
in the 95LX goes on at about 2.1 to 2.2 volts, or 1.05 to 1.1 volts per
battery. When battery manufacturers rate their batteries, they assume the
user will draw the batteries down to 0.8 volts. Therefore, we are not getting
all the claimed capacity from each battery. Batteries too low to run
the 95LX still have lots of power left for portable radios and Walkmans,
so they can have a double life.
-- 

Vic Roberts
GE Research and Development Center, Schenectady, NY
roberts@crd.ge.com
From: mkeiser@contracts.Central.Sun.COM (Mark Keiser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: General HP95LX Help
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:06:52 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: mkeiser@contracts.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: contracts.central.sun.com

Hello All!  

After reading this group for some time, I believe I have decided to take the
plunge and buy an HP95LX, plus extra memory cards, plus connectivity pack, plus
a line-powered modem.

I see that there are a number of useful additional programs for the HP95LX, and
I've diligently noted where they are.  However, how do I get them into my palmtop,
and how do I unzip them to work?  I presume the unzipping is like other programs
I've unzipped, but I'm accessing this Internet with a Sun IPC, and I'm not sure
how to access it with the HP95LX.

This may seem the most elementary question to most users, but I am by no means
a computer specialist ("I'm a <insert profession>, not a computer specialist,
dammit!"), and really need a little guidance.  Email responses are okay, or
you may post here, in the event that others may be too shy to ask the same
question.

Thanks for the help, whomever you are.



Xref: sparky comp.sys.palmtops:2947 alt.lang.basic:649 biz.comp.software:143
From: forbesm@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Mark Forbes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops,alt.lang.basic,biz.comp.software
Subject: Re: System compliant BASIC for HP 95LX?
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:10:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Sep14.191017.22043
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

ianst@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (Ian Staples) writes:
>compliant" programs.  He thought there was a version of BASIC available which
>would facilitate writing such programs.  He called it "Swift BASIC" - which I
>have never heard of!  Have you?  Who supplies it??  (Having slept on the matter
>I'm left wondering if he really meant QuickBASIC?!)

>In summary:
>1. Is there such a thing as "Swift BASIC" for the HP 95LX palmtop computer?
>   If there is, where do I get it and how much does it cost?

Yes. Sparcom is the distributor for Swift Basic, and the price is 
$US 179.95.

>2. Alternatively, can you use QuickBASIC to write "system compliant" programs
>   for the HP 95LX?  (Or MS BASIC PDS 7.1?)

System Manager compliant programs are non-trivial. If you know exactly
what you're doing it's possible.

>3. IF (2) THEN do the manuals for the HP contain the necessary details to
>   enable "system compliant programming", or must one purchase extra docs?
>   (It looks very much like the latter to me.)

Yes, you need more docs. Or, you can buy Swift Basic and be done with it.
Call/fax/write/email us if you want more information.

Mark G. Forbes, Hardware developer
Sparcom Corporation
897 NW Grant Avenue
Corvallis, OR 97330

(503) 757-8416 voice
(503) 753-7821 fax
support@sparcom.com email

or to me personally, forbesm@atlantis.cs.orst.edu
Xref: sparky comp.sys.palmtops:2953 comp.lang.perl:5939
From: george@unixg.ubc.ca (George Chow)
Subject: Re: Battery life on the HP95LX
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:19:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.203714.13812@newstand.syr.edu> mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline) writes:
>Some time ago I posted to the effect that I was getting only roughly
>two weeks out of every pair of AAs, and got back suggestions that I
>turn off my serial port (done - not much improvement), and I also heard
>from several other users who complained that they too only get two to
>four weeks of use out of a pair of AA batteries.
>
>Is there anybody out there using the HP95LX every day who is getting
>more than two or three weeks use out of an ordinary pair of AA
>batteries?   

I use 95 everyday to track appointments, phone number and do the odd
calculation and I've been getting about 4 weeks from my Energizers. Mines
is a 512Kb with the 1.01 ROM.

>--
>================================================================= 
>mark kline                              mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu
>suny health science center, syracuse    voice: (315) 422-1050
>================ courtesy of syracuse university ================

George
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Palmtop to run Mathcad
From: brian@king.csd.mot.com
Date: 12 Sep 92 15:21:55 GMT

Don't forget that MathCAD 2.5 doesn't require Windows, and so it can run
on very low end systems.  If you don't require MathCAD 3.X, you might want
to consider it -- at least while you wait for palmtop technology to advance.
I've run MathCAD 2.5 on an old NEC UltraLite (V30 CPU, no math coprocessor,
640KB memory, mono CGA display) and it works fine.  
-- 
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