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From: Alessandra.Love@f302.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Alessandra Love)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.francais
Subject: Re: BONJOUR
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 13:32:54 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/302 - SpaceMet South 1, Holyoke MA

Je m'appelle Alessandra Love. Ecrive a moi.
Merci.


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From: Josh.Burke@f174.n138.z1.fidonet.org (Josh Burke)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: How 
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 16:03:01 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:138/174 - Black 424, Tacoma WA

RB>      Hi Josh!  When I was checking the computer I saw your
RB> letter  asking to tell you something in the  Russian  langrade,
RB> so, if you want to write me back, I'll be glad  to
RB> have a penpal.

I just was wondering how to say "I love you" in Russian.



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From: Janet.Murray@f23.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Janet Murray)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: Russian Files
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 14:05:07 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/23 - HI TECH TOOLS / Lib, Portland OR

I have received several e-mail messages from Internet readers 
of k12.lang.russian expressing interest in obtaining the Russian 
files by ftp to psg.com.  I apologize for not making it clearer
that the history files were not yet there:

"The Russian files were provided by the previous Moderator,
Mike Kelly.  My BBS number is (503) 245-4961; the word processors
and literature files are also available by ftp to psg.com."

I sent the following attempted explanation to one of the inquirers, 
and thought I should also post it here:

"The Russian files reside on my FidoNet node.  The history collection
was added after the word processors and literature files, and had not
been physically moved to the Internet node.

I didn't move them the day I posted the message because when I asked
the sysadmin at psg.com for permission, he said he wanted the files
in a different compression format than I had them and the Index in 
a certain format, and I had to wait for him to send me a copy of his 
Index.  

Then I got _really_ busy this week.

I have just sent the Russian history files and index to the sysadmin's 
FidoNet node, but he has to manually move them to the Internet node,
and I just received a "robot" message that he's out of town until
January 18th.  I'll try to get someone else to move them, if
possible.  If that doesn't work (i.e. if you telnet to psg.com 
and rhis-dli.lzh isn't in the \pub\k12\russian <I think>
directory), try again toward the end of January."

I should also explain that I am a librarian who is interested in
facilitating the exchange of information via telecommunications,
but I am *not* an active user of the telnet and ftp capabilities
of Internet.  So I may easily have made an inadvertant error in
the technical part of the above attempted explanation.

In addition, I am not a student of Russian and I don't understand
how high bit ASCII characters can be "read" and rendered as
Cyrillic by something other than the word processor in which
they were produced.  So please be forewarned that Mike Kelly
used PC-Write Lite, vers. 1.03 to produce the files.  

--Janet
jmurray@psg.com


 



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From: Michael.Wise@f470.n161.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Wise)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: posting in Russian
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 12:41:01 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:161/470 - IISME-NET, Berkeley CA

I encourage all the users of this echo to make attempts to write in Russian.  That is one of the #1 reasons this echo exists. Naturally, the ASCII atmosphere doesn't allow for Cyrillic, so we must be content with transliterated Russian.
Please don't be afraid to make mistakes.  This is not a classroom and you aren't being graded here.  Please don't jump all over people if they make a mistake with Russian grammar (we were all there once).  Likewise, don't take offence if somebody corrects your Russian grammar.
 
I submit the following table of the Russian alphabet transliterated in a manner suitable to ASCII limitations.  I will repost this chart from time to time as a reminder to the regular users and a guide to the new users.  The chart is arranged in the same order as the Russian alphabet.
 
                A                K                X,Kh
                B                L                C,Ts
                V                M                Ch
                G                N                Sh
                D                O                Shch
                E                P                "
                E,Yo                R                Y
                Zh                S                '
                Z                T                E
                I                U                Ju,Yu
                J                F                Ja,Ya
 
 
                                Michael Wise
                                K12 Russian Moderator

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From: Tom.Barner@f120.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Tom Barner)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: Tom Barner
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:38:26 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/120 - SpaceMet Internet, Amherst MA

I have a student who is in my class this year who has moved here from
Moscow and I was wondering if anyone has discovered any INTERNET connections with Russia. I would like to connect so that he can chat or
leave messages. If you have an internet address of someone, I would appreciate getting it passed along so that I can help him to connect.
thanks, Tom Barner


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From: John.Mclaughlin@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (John Mclaughlin)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: Re: CORRESPONDANCE
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 12:19:34 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

Bonjour Marc -- Merci pour votre message.  Je suis desole mais je ne pas 
parle beaucoup de francias.  Mais il y a les etudiants dans ma classe qui 
parles ce langue.  Je vais demande a un etudiant (peu tetre un garcon qui 
sappelle |Mark Lenz) pour ecrit a vous.  Est ce que cette arragnement et 
d'accord?  J'espere que "oui".  Bonne anne, Marc.  J'attendre pour votre 
reponse.    John

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From: sokolsky@Ra.MsState.Edu (Alexander Sokolsky)
Subject: Re: Russian Files Available
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:26:36 GMT


My university mainfraim knows nothing about "psg.com". Will you please
give a numeric Internet address?

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	Mississippi State, MS 39762	(601) 325-5911 (home)
From: Michael.Wise@f470.n161.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Wise)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: Prosti
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 19:26:01 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:161/470 - IISME-NET, Berkeley CA

GE> Ya ne Sasha, a Gleb - Michael ty vsyo pereputal - ty otvechal
GE> na moye pismo k Sashe
 
Eshchyo by!!!  Prosti, ya vital v oblakax.
 
                        Poka,
                        Michael W.

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From: Michael.Wise@f470.n161.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Wise)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: Greetings
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 16:51:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:161/470 - IISME-NET, Berkeley CA

Greetings Allyn,
First of all, I would like to apologize for taking so long to answer your message to me.  I went to San Diego for Christmas.
 
AS> Is there any chance that we can all agree on a Russian word
AS> processor and write in Russian either by messages here or file
AS> transfers? Could we transfer files in Russian with a warning
AS> that they contain high ASCII characters and a warning that
AS> anyone with any doubt about how those characters will affect
AS> his computer should not download them?
 
I must admit that my knowledge of computer telecommunications is very limited. (I am working on it though)   From what I understand, strange things sometimes happen with high ASCII characters during transit from point to point.  
It may be a little difficult to get everybody to agree on a Russian word processor due to people using different operating systems (I use a Mac)  Assuming we could all agree on a Russian W/P program, how would we converse using it?  Would we have to post strange characters on the Russian K-12, and then open it up using the Russian W/P program?  Please expound on your post.
 
                        Michael Wise

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From: Gleb.Evfarestov@f101.n285.z1.fidonet.org (Gleb Evfarestov)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: Happy New year !!!
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 02:19:24 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:285/101 - NE Dept. Education, Lincoln NE

Hi, everybody !
 
Just want to wish a marvellous NEW YEAR !
 
CONGRATULATIONS !
 
Best Rgards[D[D[D[D[Degards,
Gleb


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From: Michael.Wise@f470.n161.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Wise)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: K12 Russian rules
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 12:37:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:161/470 - IISME-NET, Berkeley CA

The purpose of this conference is to provide a meeting place for international discussion of educational processes, information, materials, technologies or content WHICH ARE SPECIFICALLY APPLICABLE to the Russian language AND WHICH RELATE TO elementary and secondary education ONLY. All teachers, students and parents are invited to participate and to assist in the enforcement of these basic "common sense" guidelines:
   
ECHOMAIL ETIQUETTE:
  
1. STAY ON TOPIC.  This is the Russian K-12 echo, so please don't talk about politics or the weather (unless you do so in Russian). Examples of "on topic" subjects are:  messages written in transliterated Russian; messages about Russian or the other East Slavic languages; and messages about Russia.
  
2. DON'T RESPOND TO INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGES.  This compounds the problem.  Instead, tell your Sysop about it in a local message area.  Leave the moderation to the Sysops and echomail conference moderators.
 
3. AVOID PERSONAL MESSAGES IN FIDONET OR K12Net ECHOES.  Nobody in Ontario or Sweden cares about your luncheon arrangements, and Sysops object to the telephone costs of such messages.
  
4. BE BRIEF.  Don't repeat the same message unnecessarily in the same or different echoes.  If several people respond to your question, don't thank each individually.
  
5. COMMUNICATE CLEARLY.  Use descriptive subject lines.  In replies, quote enough of the original so readers know what you are talking about.  Use appropriate cases; messages entered in ALL UPPER CASE letters is considered SHOUTING.
  
6.  NO PROFANITIES.  I know it's fun to learn how to cuss in a foreign language, but do not practice your vulgarities on Russian K-12.  I know most of the Russian swear words and phrases, so don't try to put one past me.
 
                                Michael Wise
                                K12 Russian Moderator

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From: seltzer@ics.enet.dec.com (Richard Seltzer)
Subject: translation problem
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:21:16 GMT


I'm just finishing translating a 350-page book, and a handful of words,
which don't appear in any of my dictionaries, are giving me headaches.

Three refer to specific kinds of edible grain:
poa
elevzin
kogo

Another word, from context, seems to mean a platform or storage area for grain:
kluni (plural)

One refers to part of the anatomy of a goat:
zhigo or dzhigo

One is a proper name, refering to ancient rulers of Egypt:
ed vocab.txt
Mesraim (could this be a form of the name Moses?)

One refers to a surveying procedure:
nonius

One refers to a kind of perfume:
santal ("The queen other was heavily scented with attar of roses and santal.")

And for this one the dictionary entry is no help:
sal'nik
The Oxford Russian-English Dictionary renders this as "1. (anat.) epiploon, 
2. (tech.) stuffing box, (packing) gland"
"Epiploon" is an obscure English word that sends one on a merry chase through 
the unabridged dictionary.  It appears to be some sort of growth attached to 
the stomach and the colon and hanging over the small intestine.
This word appears in two different contexts in the book I'm translating.  
First, it is the organ of an animal (probably a ram), which an Ethiopian witch 
doctor hangs around his neck as a charm.
Second, it is an organ of a ram which can be used to make candles. ("Iz 
zhirnogo baran'yego kurdyuka my bytopili salo, iz sal'nika zhe ego sdelali 
svechi..."

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Richard Seltzer  seltzer@ics.dec.com
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From: Michael.Wise@f470.n161.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Wise)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: tanslation problem pt. II
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 20:16:01 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:161/470 - IISME-NET, Berkeley CA

Incidentally, It is my opinion that if you are going to be doing serious translating, you should stick with Russian-Russian dictionaries as the Russian-English dictionaries, though they are usefull guides, will often lead you into pitfalls, even such fine ones as Oxford, Muller, and Smirnitskij.
 
                                Michael Wise
                                K12-Russian Moderator
 
(1) - Sovetskij Enciklopedicheskij Slovar'
Moskva "Sovetskaja Enciklopedija" 1989
 
(2) - Slovar' Russkogo Jazyka
S.I. Ozhegov
Moskva "Russkij Jazyk" 1987

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From: corre@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Alan D Corre)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: Re: translation problem
Date: 12 Jan 1993 10:40:40 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1993Jan5.201850.537@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> seltzer@ics.enet.dec.com (Richard Seltzer) writes:
>
>I'm just finishing translating a 350-page book, and a handful of words,
>which don't appear in any of my dictionaries, are giving me headaches.

>One is a proper name, refering to ancient rulers of Egypt:
>ed vocab.txt
>Mesraim (could this be a form of the name Moses?)
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Richard Seltzer  seltzer@ics.dec.com
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Mesraim is the Hebrew name of Egypt, more commonly Misraim.  The Arabic 
name of Egypt is Misr. The Hebrew form is a dual, presumably referring
to the traditional two Egypts, upper and lower.  There is no connexion
whatever with the name of Moses.


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Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
From: mike@athena.mit.edu (Michael T Decerbo)
Subject: Re: Russian Files Available
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:17:06 GMT

Hi,

My apologies for posting this to the net; my email to the author bounced.

In article <SOKOLSKY.93Jan10172636@walt.Ra.MsState.Edu>, sokolsky@Ra.MsState.Edu (Alexander Sokolsky) writes:
|> 
|> My university mainfraim knows nothing about "psg.com". Will you please
|> give a numeric Internet address?
|> 

The hostname you want is "ftp.psg.com". This confused me too.

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From: Ruslan.Bronz@p0.f118.n138.z1.fidonet.org (Ruslan Bronz)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: How 
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 12:43:30 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:138/118.0 - Keithley Komputer K, Tacoma WA

     Hi Josh!  When I was checking the computer I saw your
letter  asking to tell you something in the  Russian  langrade,  so, if you want to write me back, I'll be glad  to
have a penpal.
 
                                    Ruslan Bronz.



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From: Michael.Wise@f470.n161.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Wise)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: Cyrillic Transliteration pt.2
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 19:38:03 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:161/470 - IISME-NET, Berkeley CA

...continued from pt.1
3)Then there is an unnamed inconsistent standard the media uses. The differences between this standard and the LOC standard are that there are no signs for "tvyordyj znak" and "myakij znak," and Yo, Yu, and Ya are used instead of the LOC's E, Iu and Ia.  This standard, like the LOC standard is readable, but won't transliterate perfectly.
 
A, B, V, G, D, E, Yo, Zh, Z, I, Y, K, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T, U, F, Kh, Ts, Ch, Sh, Shch, (no tvyordyj znak), Y, (no myakij znak), Yu Ya
 
 
4) You asked about the standard used in Russia.  The Russian telex standard is:
A, B, V, G, D, E (ie), (no yo), ZH (j), K, L, M, N, O, P R, S, T, U, F, KH (H), C, CH (TCH), SH, SHCH, (no tvyordyj znak), Y, J, E, IU, IA.
 
I have noticed that one of our native Russian speakers here (he uses J where I would use zh).  I have no big problem if people want to use this standard, but I believe it is a very poor standard for transliteration. Why?  Because "J" can be and often is used for both the Zh sound as well as myakij znak.  This can lead to big mistakes during transliteration.  How would you rather see the infinitive of "to read" transliterated: Chitat' or Tchitatj?  I also am not a big fan of using the LOC IU/IA transliterat



ions for reasons earlier mentioned.
 
So we are left with the question of how to make the best possible transliteration standard for the ASCII world.
What I have proposed, and what I continue to recommend people to use is the following scheme Which basically a SEEJ/layman's combo:
                A                K                X,Kh
                B                L                C,Ts
                V                M                Ch
                G                N                Sh
                D                O                Shch
                E                P                "
                E,Yo                R                Y
                Zh                S                '
                Z                T                E
                I                U                Ju,Yu
                J                F                Ja,Ya
 
Where I give two options for the same letter, the first one is the one I personally prefer.  This standard is the most accurate transliteration scheme possible under the limitations of ASCII.
 
I hope I have answered some of your questions on the matter.  If I did not, or if you still have remaining questions, please feel free to ask.
 
                        Poka,
                        Michael W.

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From: Seva.Elfant@f120.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Seva Elfant)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: talk
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 13:06:52 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/120 - SpaceMet Internet, Amherst MA

Hello mr.B. Thise is my 10th call on spacemet.
Today I chat with one of my friends .My friend was glad to speek with me
I have a qeshions. 1st one is can i write someone in Russia, and if I can how?
The second qeshion is how can I know the names of RUssian students or teachers, mebey thear is a list in spacemet.
GOOD BYE WRITE BACK


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From: Seva.Elfant@f120.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Seva Elfant)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: Hi
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:18:32 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/120 - SpaceMet Internet, Amherst MA

Hello Gleb, I am from Russia too. I want to know if you know the Russian
language. I am in Mr. Barner's class in Newton, MAssachusetts. I came from Moscow two years ago. I wanted to talk with you. If you have time
can you write me a note back. Seva Elfant


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From: Seva.Elfant@f120.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Seva Elfant)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: TALKINg
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 10:38:14 PDT
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Hello MR BARNer


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From: Michael.Wise@f470.n161.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Wise)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: translation problem
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 20:10:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:161/470 - IISME-NET, Berkeley CA

RS> One refers to a surveying procedure: nonius
 
Nonius - Vspomogatel'naja shkala, pri pomoshchi kotoroj otschityvajut doli delenij osnovnoj shkaly izmeritel'nogo pribora. (1)
In a word - vernier.
 
 
RS> One refers to a kind of perfume: santal ("The queen other was
RS> heavily scented with attar of roses and santal.")
 
I am 99.9% sure it means "santalol," which is a liquid obtained from sandlewood and used in perfumes.  Sandalovoe (var. Santalovoe) derevo mean sandlewood tree. (1)
 
 
RS> And for this one the dictionary entry is no help: sal'nik The
RS> Oxford Russian-English Dictionary renders this as "1. (anat.)
RS> epiploon, It appears to be some sort of growth attached to the
RS> stomach and the colon and hanging over the small intestine.
 
We can skip the secondary technical usage of the word since it does not seem to fit into context.  Thus, we will concentrate on the anatomical meaning of the word.
Sal'nik - Zhirovaja skladka v bryushine.(2)
or in better detail - Shirokaja i dlinaja skladka vnutrennostnogo listka bryushiny u mlekopitajushchix i cheloveka, chast' bryzheyki. Soedinitel'naja tkan' Sal'nik bogata krovenosnymi sosudami i zhirovoj tkan'ju. "Zashitnyj organ" brjushnoj polosti. (1)
In layman's terms, it is the protective layer of fat around the stomach.
 
 
RS> This word appears in two different contexts in the book I'm
RS> translating. First, it is the organ of an animal (probably a
RS> ram), which an Ethiopian witch doctor hangs around his neck as
RS> a charm. Second, it is an organ of a ram which can be used to
RS> make candles. ("Iz zhirnogo baran'yego kurdyuka my bytopili
RS> salo, iz sal'nika zhe ego sdelali svechi..."
 
I would translate this sentence thus, "We melted the fat off the ram's fleshy tail, and made candles from its stomach fat.
 
 
RS> poa, elevzin, kogo, kluni (plural), zhigo or dzhigo, Mesraim
 
I couldn't find any of those words in the reference materials I have at home.  You might try the 20+ volume set of the Soviet Academy of Sciences "Slovar' Sovremennogo Russkogo Jazyka."  It should be available in the nearest university library, although I doubt that some of those words are Russian.  I ran into a similar problem when I was translating some of Gumilev's works he wrote in Ethiopia. They contain a lot of local vocabulary.
 
Incidentally, It is my opinion that if you are going to be doing serious translating, you should stick with Russian-Russian dictionaries as the Russian-English dictionaries, though they are usefull guides, will often lead you into pitfalls, even such fine ones as Oxford, Muller, and Smirnitskij.
 


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