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From: klassa@aurs01.UUCP (John M. Klassa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Accessing the system timer?????
Keywords: vblank, timer
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:15:45 GMT
Reply-To: klassa%aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com (John Klassa)
Followup-To: comp.sys.atari.st
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Alcatel Network Systems, Raleigh NC

In article <TERJEVE.92Sep26003642@kolsaas.ifi.uio.no> terjeve@ifi.uio.no (Terje Vernly) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.125319.3752@arizona.edu>, paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Paul Harris) writes:
>
>> I basically want to know how to get a timer value with better than 2-sec
>> accuracey using Prospero Fortran.  From GFA Basic, the TIMER variable gives
>> a 1/200 reading of the system clock, but I can't find where it gets this.
>> The GFA manual says BIOS(6) has this value, but it always returns 20.
>> Anyone know where I could find this time?
>
>The 200Hz system-timer is a longword at $4BA.  As $4BA is in the
>system-RAM, you'll have to be in supervisor-mode to read it.
>
>--
>  +----------------------------------------------------------------+
>  | Terje Vernly                   "The dead know only one thing : |
>  | InterNet: terjeve@ifi.uio.no    It is better to be alive."     |
>  +----------------------------------------------------------------+

This probably ought to go to c.s.a.s.tech, but the thread was started here
so I kept it here...

I'm writing a game (in C) and have gone beyond the point that I can do
all of my processing within the time allowed by one vblank.  At present, it
takes about 1 and a half vblanks to do what I need to do (on a stock ST), and
I haven't even coded all of what I need to do yet.  My fear is that, on a TT
(for example), I can do all required processing in about a half of a vblank.
If my synchronization scheme consisted solely of a call to Vsync() (which
causes me to wait until the next vblank before continuing), I'd be doing one
complete game update every 1 vblank on a TT and every 3 or so on an ST.  This
would not be good.  :-)  I want it to be the same on all platforms, even if
that literally means sitting idle on a faster machine.

So, my question is, how can I ***FROM C, REMEMBER***, tell my code to sit
idle until n vblanks have occurred.  I would imagine I'll need to be in
supervisor mode, and I wouldn't even begin to know how to do that, either.
I'm using HSC (Ian Lepore's Heat & Serve version of Sozobon C)...

Someone (Warwick, I think) mentioned the existence of a memory location
that might be of use.  However, (1) I can't find the location and, (2) don't
know how to get into supervisor mode to read it.

HELP!

Thanks!

John

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: storm@fwi.uva.nl (Richard G.C. Storm (I89))
Subject: Rufus doesn't work well with my modem
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:42:18 GMT



After installing my modem(TORNADO) and rufus vs 106 I tried
to connect with my university. After connecting I got all
the lines double.


Does anybody knows what to do (How to put the echo off??? maybe)


-- 
Richard Storm, storm@fwi.uva.nl || 
University of Amsterdam.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: STaladin 1.50 ...
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 3 Oct 1992 05:48:02 GMT
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Distribution: world
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

What does Aladin actually do?!  I've heard about it plenty, but still am not
sure what it achieves!
From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Boston Computer Society shows Falcon 030
Date: 29 Sep 1992 14:58:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, jww@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jack W. Wine) says:

>In article <9209251907.AA29024@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> peters@allvax.enet.dec.com (Don Peters TAY1-1/D7 DTN 227-3173  25-Sep-1992 1509) writes:
>>
>>  - the term "personal integrated media" was mentioned several times, and
>>    will probably be used many times in the future by Atari
>
>This is the only thing that Atari should change about the Falcon 030!
>I think a better marketing description for it (rather than 
>personal int. media or PIM) would be something like Atari AVI 
>(Audio Video Intelligence).  First, the Latin root meaning bird/flight
>is "avi" as in aviator, aviary, etc.  Second, it is more descriptive
>of a new category of smart electronics/devices that might become the
>virtual brains of a home.  Third, I think it sounds better than
>Atari PIM.  If anybody agrees send Atari your suggestions!


I like the term "personal integrated media" better because Atari seems to
want to get into the multi-media...

Audio/Video would restrict it to audio and video.

I see your point though--"PIM" will sound a little funny comparable to "PC".

As long as Atari doesn't use "PIM", it should be ok.

Maybe "IMC" would be better.  "Integrated Media Computer".

>
> 
>Jack
>
>

--
From: vovut@prism.cs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Megafile 20: $135 (shipping included)
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:30:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Sep30.093037.7786
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept


Email if interested.

Trung
vovut@prism.cs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jww@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jack W. Wine)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon at BCS Show - Eyewitness Report!
Keywords: Atari Falcon 030 BCS Show
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:31:07 GMT

In article <96799@bu.edu> markjl@acs.bu.edu (Mark Lavi) writes:
>
>	The video section of the Falcon 030 is capable of:
>VESA video output at 72Hz, 640 by 480 pixels, Genlock, digital Chromakey,
>video overlay, PAL and NTSC broadcast signals, 1/2/4/8-bit graphics, and
>overscan.  [Sorry, he went quickly there, and I'm not 100% sure of all of the
>definitions of some of the features.]  These video capabilities loan themselves
>to these applications: television picture in picture, video effects, CD Photos
>(just add a CD ROM player).

Previous calculations of memory bandwidth were based on 60 Hz vertical
refresh so the 72 Hz means the Falcon is at least 20% faster!  Also
800x600 at 60 Hz uses almost the same bandwidth as 640x480 at 72 Hz
so the Falcon should handle it without much slowdown.  Maybe even
a mono 2048x2048 60 Hz mode is possible too (to show off mono paintings)?
Even at that high rez the audio could go full speed so it might have
applications in a museum or information kiosk. 

The reviews of the Boston showing were great!  (Wish it were all 
captured and MPEG encoded on a CD-ROM or something)

Jack

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,news.answers
From: shore_c@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Craig Shore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Programs needed for Binkley Term
Date: 6 Oct 1992 05:51:55 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: shore_c@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Binkley Term is a program ported to the St from the PC for using 
 FIDO etc. It's in the atari/Telecomm dir of a.a (btst???)

What I was wondering, it needs some other files to run properly.
 one of them is there in the atari/Telecomm dir called oMMMM,
 but how about these ones...

Msged - an editor essential for sending any messages out!
ParselST
Whatarc

Does anyone know where these files could be found?

 Thanks,
    Craig.

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From: saj@chinet.chi.il.us (Stephen Jacobs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon in Australia
Summary: lame, ignorant joke
Keywords: Atari, Falcon
Date: 27 Sep 92 03:25:51 GMT
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX

In article <1992Sep25.123525.22133@gdr.bath.ac.uk> mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger) writes:
>
>Really I reckon it would be far better if you guys the other countries
>didn't mention how much you will be paying for your machines as I KNOW
>that as usual we in England will be paying way over the odds for these
>machines, typically in my experience we pay the same amount in UK
>pounds as the Americans do in dollars!
>
>Oh well such is life. (or c'est la vie for those language buffs).
>
>Does anyone know why we always pay more in England?  I've known cases
>where it would have been cheaper to get on a ferry drive to Germany,
>buy a machine and drive back, rather than buy from a UK distributor.
>

Knowing the efficiency of Atari's distribution network, I suspect you may be
paying a premium for the distributor to hire someone to take a ferry to
Germany, buy a machine for you and drive back.....

                                      Steve
From: cordes@ac.dal.ca (John Cordes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ORCS - Otto's Resource Construction Set
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:04:58 -0300
Summary: orcs, rcs
Keywords: orcs, rcs
Distribution: world
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <10466@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>, warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison) writes:
> 
> WOW.  I'm very impressed with this program - I just downloaded it from
> a.a.  Does anyone know the source of this program?  I'd like to reach the
> author, but all the About box says is "Th. Otto".  
> 
> I've seen other resource editors, but ORCS outstrips them all - even
> the MWC one, which was impressive.  Cool name too.
> 
> 
> --
> Warwick

There's an address (in Germany) for the author, given in the accompanying 
README file - I didn't get it off a.a., but I _assume_ the readme was in 
the a.a. distribution? Andrzej Wrotniak has a very favourable review of 
ORCS in the September issue of Current Notes.

John Cordes
Dept. of Physics
Dalhousie University
Halifax, N.S., Canada  B3H 3J5
email: cordes@ac.dal.ca
From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Desktop background picture for color monitors??
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:08:08 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <1992Sep30.050640.9835@sactoh0.sac.ca.us> mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark Newton-John) writes:
>In <16871B62.C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu> C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Jeoff Hines) writes:
>
>>  I saw a nifty little piece of software that allows you to use a picture
>>(degas, I beleive) instead of the dull grey of your monochrome desktop.
>>This sounds really cool, but Is there a color equivalent?
>>
>
>There is a commercial program called ST Easel, that lets you put
>almost any Degas picture as your desktop. You use the same program
>for low, medium, and high resolutions, you just need to have the
>picture in the right format (PC1, PC2, or PC3)/

Scratch that.  Get Warp 9 from CodeHead Technologies.  Not only does it 
speed up your screen (like Quick ST and Turbo ST), but it also includes
background pictures (TNY, PIx, Lexicor PNT [resolution independent]) as well
as Extend-O-Save, an AfterDark-like modular screen saver.  The instructions
for making your own modules can be freely distributed.





-- 
   |||    Ed Krimen
   |||    ekrimen@wet.com
  / | \   E.KRIMEN (GEnie)
From: burglin@opal.mgh.harvard.edu (Thomas Burglin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: games and copyright
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:54:00 GMT
Organization: Molecular Biology, Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hello out there!
I thought I could post this here.
I wrote a game for the ST, once upon a time, and I sold it
to START magazine.  Obviously, you had to sign copyright agreements
etc.  Now START has been defunct for a while.  Does the
copyright return to me, could I upload the game to
atari.archive?  I know that probably nobody would care about
this anymore, but maybe someone knows about this?
(PS: the game is Slither, previously known on the Apple II as 
Snakebyte ).
Thomas Burglin
From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: 1.4 meg floppy on an ST?
Keywords: high density, disk, drive, floppy
Date: 27 Sep 92 16:36:44 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <1992Sep26.155413.28048@newstand.syr.edu> ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald Greenberg) writes:
>Here's my idea.  I've got an ICD Fast hard drive.  Right now
>I've got a Cutting Edge 44meg Syquest Removable plugged into
>the SCSI port of the ICD drive.  This SCSI drive unit was made
>for the Mac world, but works fine in ST mode as well as in
>Spectre mode (it works in msdos mode, too...via ATSpeed).
>Anyway, what if I were to buy something like the Infinity
>Turbo Floppy 1.4 (currently $289 from MacWarehouse) and chain
>it off of my Syquest?  I imagine it would work in Spectre
>mode, but doesn anybody have any idea if it would work in ST
>mode (or msdos mode via ATSpeed)?  If so, I think it would be
>a pretty resonable solution for high-density floppies!

Better yet, spend $110 more for a Freedom Floptical from PMC and you can get
21megs on a floptical as well as 1.44meg and 720K support.  The drive
from PMC comes with the Link from ICD and is ready to run on the ST.

I don't believe that Spectre has 1.44meg drive support yet.

Also, I'm not familiar with the TurboFloppy from PLI, but if it doesn't
have an eject button, you're going to need to have a paper clip around
when you want to eject disks. :^)  I don't think Spectre will actually 
eject the disks for you.  Moreover, at Glendale, the guys at ICD used a
software program to tell a Mac-based floptical to eject a disk from an
ST.  It was just a TOS program.  I don't know if that program is available.


-- 
   |||    Ed Krimen
   |||    ekrimen@wet.com
  / | \   E.KRIMEN (GEnie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: wwc@vsnhda.cern.ch (Wolfgang Wander)
Subject: Re: Trying out Freeze Dried Terminal and CoNnect 1.52
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, Geneva
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:34:48 GMT

>I don't think it's FZDT that's the problem.
>
>I use it on two different UNIX sites. On one VI works fine, on the other
>the scrolling doesn't work properly. Therefore I have to assume it's the
>the term setup at the site itself that is the problem.
>
>I also have scrolling problems on another Unix site, with an editor that is
>NOT VI, again, the term setup at the site must be the problem.

You certainly where right, if CoNnect had the same problems with these
sites. But obviously it has not. (Have a look at CoNnect 1.60!)

   Wolfgang
From: markus@mroh.GUN.de (Markus Schlegel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Autoconfiguration of *.ACC at preset times
Date: 3 Oct 92 21:25:50 GMT
Reply-To: markus@mroh.GUN.de (Markus Schlegel)


Is there any possibility on the Atari ST under TOS 1.02 to 

- get *.ACC to work at a preset time and vice versa deactivate
  them at a given time?

[A[A[A[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[Cs to work at a preset time and -vice versa- deactivate[B[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D

- autostart and auto EXIT *.PRG at a preset time?

My problem is the following: I'm trying to set up a fax-polling-facility
with a 1040ST, using a BBS-System for polling faxes which are put into
a directory by a fax-receiving *.ACC.
The problem is that both, fax.ACC and PRG demand full control of the
RS232 serial interface as long as they're being active, so that once
the *.ACC is started, there's no way back to normal data-transmissions,
only fax would work. EXCEPT for the possibility of deactivating the
*.ACC somehow, going in to the BBS and then re-activate the fax-*.ACC-
module.

Thanx-a-lot for your responses in PERSONAL MESSAGE (since I don't and
cannot read this newsgroup) to
Markus Schlegel@BN.MAUS.DE
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From: markus@mroh.GUN.de (Markus Schlegel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Fax software for ST under *IX-Systems
Date: 3 Oct 92 03:30:53 GMT
Reply-To: markus@mroh.GUN.de (Markus Schlegel)

Hello everyone!

Is there any fax-software available for ST-Machines that runs under 
*IX - systems, such as Minix or Unix?

Please reply to:
Markus Schlegel@BN.MAUS.DE

(please do not send anything else but a personal message, since I
don't read this group, thanx!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dvasilef@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David Vasileff)
Subject: How many SCSI devices/host adapter?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:40:44 GMT

  This may be a trivial question, but I was wondering how many SCSI
devices I could hook up to my ST if I had an ICD AdSCSI host adapter.
For example, if I already had a 20meg HD with and AdSCSI, could I just
buy a syquest mechanism and plug it in (assuming I could fit it in the
case).

thanks for any help

david
- dvasilef@indiana.edu  VAX
- dvasilef@silver.ucs.indiana.edu UNIX
- dvasilef@hopi.ucs.indiana.edu  NeXT
- D.VASILEFF (GEnie)
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Wednesday, 30 Sep 1992 18:23:18 EST
From: <EENG6826@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Text file compression

   I need to keep a large collection of text files on floppies. I
tried using Revenge Document Displayer and ICE Packer v2.40, but
the compression isn't as good as with the latest version of LZH or
ZIP. Is there a program that can scroll text files read directly
from ZIP or LZH ? Without uncompressing the files first.
Thanx.
                            CARLOS VARELA
From: hrs@aber.ac.uk (Herbert Martin Sauro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Silhouette
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:18:43 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

I've just received a demo copy (version 1.4) of the drawing program
Silhouette. Has anybody got any experiences of this program because
the demo gave me a very bad impression and thank goodness I saw the
demo before I bought the real thing. One of the main problems
was how slow it was at picking up the control point for bezier curves.

Herb

PS I have heard that the Falcon is going to be rereleased next Feb in the
UK with a new case and redesigned ciruit board. And whats this about
Atari using cheap and not fully functional 68030 chips? (i.e a pin or
two missing which prevents hardware virtual memory)
-- 
/******************************************************************************
Herbert Sauro                                   e-mail: hrs@aber.ac.uk
Biological Sciences                              phone: +44 970 622353
Univesity College of Wales                                                    
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: New Mac Prices tough on Falcon
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:10:22 GMT

In article 00awAAFql9r@andrew.cmu.edu, osoelgaultier+@CMU.EDU (Stefan Monnier) writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 1-Oct-92 New Mac Prices tough
>on Falcon Marcelino Bernardo@ereva (478)
>
>> Here is a portion of a recent press release posted in
>> comp.sys.mac.announce.
>
>>                                  Previous SRP   New SRP  %Change 
>> Macintosh LC II(4MB/40HD)         $1,699         $1,239    27
>> Macintosh LC II(4MB/80HD)         $1,849         $1,349    27
>
>> It seems to me that Atari would have a hard time marketing the Falcon with
>> similar configuration for ~$1300 as I've read in this newsgroup.
>
>Although it is twice as fast, has DSP, and ....


The real problem here, folks, is that Apple, _not_ Atari, has the marketing
savy to get their new mass market Macs (Performa line) into retailers such
as Sears, Silo, Lechmere, etc.  While Mom & Pop are looking at the new washing
machines, why not take a peek at these new fangled `pooters' too?  Apple
execs estimate there are still 7 million homes in the US that could afford
a computer and don't yet have one.  That's their target.

The Performa 200 is a repackaged Classic II and the Performa 400 is the LC II
with a different nameplate.  Only the Performa 600 and 600CD (at $2K & $2.5K)
are new, based on a 32MHz 030 (crippled), the latter with built-in CD-ROM.

Question 1:  Is the Falcon a superior machine for the money?  A: Yes.
Question 2:  Does it matter to the mass public?  A: No.

Why?  Because they won't know anything about it!  John Q. Public still thinks
Atari either a) "went out of business long ago" or b) "just makes video games."

Apple will literally sell _millions_ of these things while Atari is still
struggling to find a few dealers willing to carry their hardware.  Sheeesh.

What?  Me bitter?  Nyaaaah.  :)

---

___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________
From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: WANTED: ST/FALCON PROGRAMMING/DEVELOPING SYSOP
Date: 4 Oct 1992 00:15:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


                      
              WANTED: ST/FALCON PROGRAMMING/DEVELOPING SYSOP
              -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 
        The Cleveland Free-Net Atari SIG is looking for a new
16/32-Bit Programming/Developing SysOp.
 
        If you enjoy programming and developing on the Atari ST and
plan to program and develop for the Falcon030, please consider being
CFN Atari SIG's new 16/32-Bit Programming SysOp.
 
        These are the qualifications:
        -----------------------------
 
      * Enjoy using Atari Computers
        
      * Strong background in programming ST computers 
      
      * Plan on having a strong background programming the Falcon030
 
      * Has knowledge of hardware
 
      * Dependable/Reliable
 
      * Long-Term stay with the SIG in mind (6+ months)
        (if using Internet, should have access to telnet for the
         distant future)
 
      * Not easily depressed with Atari's present marketplace
 
      * Perserveres
 
      * Has time needed to give the Support Area the attention it needs
        (near 10 hours a week)
 
      * Able to work with people
 
      * Not afraid to learn new things
 
      * Able to answer programming/developing questions)
 
 
        The Cleveland Free-Net Atari SIG is attempting to make itself      
THE place for ST and Falcon users.  If you are interested in helping
accomplish this goal, please respond with e-mail.
 
        Programming and Developing has always been an important for
Atari users and it will become even more important in the future.
 
        The benefits are:
 
      * SysOp account (aa###) ID 
 
        - unlimited time
        - access to SIG account
        - If local, special SysOp telephone line (to avoid constant
          (busy signals)
 
      * Greater knowledge and understanding of the ST and Falcon030
 
      * The satisfaction of helping others
 
      * New friends
 
 
        WE have been around for over 6 years and we wish to make
the Cleveland Free-Net Atari SIG the best that it can be.
 
        If you wish to only ASSIST with this area, we can still        
use your help.
 
 
THANK YOU.
 
 
Len Stys (aa399)
Cleveland Free-Net Atari SIG
 
And SysOps
 
 
 
 
 

-- 
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: grier@bnr.ca (Brian Grier)
Subject: Re: Spectre
Keywords: Spectre Gadgets Small
Organization: BNR
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 12:53:45 GMT

You can real Dave Small at d.small@genie.geis.com

B. Grier



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