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From: rszczerb@milton.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: Northwestern vs ND
Keywords: n
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:33:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.132422.13234@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:
>>Does anyone have any information about the ND - Northwestern
>>game at Soldier field this year.  In particular, what time is
>>kick-off, are tickets available yet, and if so, how much are they?
>>
>or better yet, do they give you a barf bag at the door?  :-)
>however, I do have to admire your love for the game..  
>
>cmuck
>
>ps- Northwestern by 10  <- you heard it here first... 
>    Some one pinch me and wake me up!! 

I figure it'll be like the Dream Team vs. Angola.  Fun to
watch, but you probably already know the outcome ...

You predict Northwestern by 10 ... over ND,

	I'll take that bet, and I've also got
some swap land in Manhattan that you might also
be interested in.

	:)

   
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From: kollur@jec330.its.rpi.edu (Ramana Kolluri)
Subject: Syracuse Home Game Tickets?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:09:35 GMT

Could someone please tell what number to call for Syracuse Home game tickets.
Does anyone out there know if there are any home game tickets left for the
general public from "official sources"? 
Thank you!

Ramana
(kollur@rpi.edu)
From: rszczerb@chekov.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Northwestern vs ND
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:50:15 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame


Does anyone have any information about the ND - Northwestern
game at Soldier field this year.  In particular, what time is
kick-off, are tickets available yet, and if so, how much are they?

		- thanks

			Rob
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From: pszymans@bronte.helios.nd.edu (peter szymanski)
Subject: Re: Who do you think will win
Reply-To: pszymans@bronte.helios.nd.edu (peter szymanski)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:00:42 GMT

Timothy Pitts writes:

> Rob, Rob, Rob, listening to your fellow inmates at the Golden Dome Sanitarium
> again, I see.  Let's see:  @Iowa, @PennState, @Syracuse, and @SanDiegoState.
> That's just this year's schedule, too.  What's the purpose of playing

[more stuff...]

Tim, Tim, Tim, are YOU listening to what you're saying?  I can understand
PSU, but are these other teams really of the caliber of a Washington? a
Florida State? or even ND?  I think they may do well in their own conferences
(maybe) but are they the caliber that a team like the mighty Canes should
be playing? :-)

Peter
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From: trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight)
Subject: Re: Strength of Southern Conference (was I-AA vs. I-A)
Organization: Jes Grew Carriers -- Metaphysical Bunko Squad 
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 06:05:07 GMT

mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:

>Nah is correct.  The reason Clemson hasn't struggled against a SC team is
>because they only play the weak ones.

You mean like Furman, Appalachian State, Clemson's Southern Conference 
opponents the last two years?  And this year UT-Chattanooga?  Come on,
Mark...don't let me down.  I'm a big admirer...
 
Trevor Bauknight         trev@hubcap.clemson.edu    ...gatech!hubcap!trev
 
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From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Subject: Re: Top QBs in the Game
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:50:47 GMT

Go ahead and call me dumb for saying this, but as a fan of Big 10 football,
and a native of Minnesota, I am looking for big things out of Minnesota QB
Marquell Fleetwood this year.  It looks like Coach Wacker has really had a
positive effect on him, just by showing confidence in his abilities.  Sure
the Gophers have been the Goofs for a few years, but keep in mind they had a
shitty coach in Gutekunst, their ENTIRE offensive line was injured at one point
last season, and Fleetwood wasn't getting much help from the rest of the team
(i.e. the running game).

Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu

No, I'm not saying that Marquell is one of the best, I'm just saying that this
year he's going to have a respectable season...
From: v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Who do you think will win it all??
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:49:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug12.134418.12239@spdc.ti.com>, dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik) writes...
[re:  winning streaks]
#It's hard to imagine any team doing that now.  No, I don't think even the
#mighty canez could pull that off nowadays. 

I don't think you are being fair to Miami, Notre Dame, Florida State, or 
a couple other extremely successful programs in the late '80s.

Miami had a 16 game winning streak between Sept. 87 and Oct. 88.  Another
13 game winning streak after the one-point, questionable call loss to Notre
Dame that broke the first streak.  And is now working on an 18 game streak.
Say that the call in the Notre Dame loss in '88 had gone the other way
(perfectly reasonable, IMHO):  Miami would then have had a 30 game streak.
Take away the close loss to Penn State in the Fiesta Bowl on Jan. 2, '87, and
Miami would have been working on a 41 game streak:  certainly in line with
the 47 game Oklahoma streak.

Notre Dame had a 23 game winning streak from Aug. '88 to Nov. '89 which is
one of the longest winning streaks in history.  Florida State was 23-2 from
Dec. '86 to Jan. '89 with the two losses to Miami, one by a single point
after Miami came back from a 19-3 deficit in the fourth quarter.

While I think the Oklahoma streak is impressive and is certainly a difficult
thing to surpass, I don't think it is inconceivable that one of these three
teams could have come close to duplicating it with a bit more luck on their
side.

___

Timothy C. Pitts             
Canada US Trade Center
Department of Geography
University at Buffalo        
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From: dsmith@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (J. Daniel Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: MSU/Big10 Schedule?
Summary: MSU football schedule wanted
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:35:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM at Ann Arbor, MI

Could someone please EMAIL me MSU's 1992 Football Schedule.  Also, if
anyone has a composite Big 10 schedule, that would be nice too.

Thanks,
   Dan
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From: rszczerb@tolstoy.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: Who do you think will win
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 00:39:32 GMT

In article <BtAsIo.AL7@acsu.buffalo.edu> v262xxve@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Timothy C Pitts) writes:
>
>Nope, I like my cornflakes plain.  Besides, I usually have eggs or grits for
>breakfast and neither of those take sugar.  Miami may not *beat* any of the 
>NFL teams, but at least I'd have to be worried about them actually losing a 
>game:  as it stands, the 'Canes get boring after the first quarter in most 
>games since they have the win in-hand. 

I guess I can see your point of view.  It must get really boring watching
those mighty Canes roll over such powerhouses as Sister Mary's Bible School,
and French Lick University. :)
From: daytrpr@max.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Bowl Records
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:11:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: max.1992Aug21.151105.1



In article <1992Aug20.201535.11445@ncsu.edu>, jvbutera@grad07.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera) writes:
> In article <1992Aug20.123433.1@max.u.washington.edu> daytrpr@max.u.washington.edu writes:
>>
>>
>>I've compiled some bowl statistics that I though everyone would like
>>to look at.  One note, I COULD NOT FIND STATS FOR THE INDEPENDANTS, so
>>you won't see Notre Dame, Penn State, etc.  If anyone has them, please
>>feel free to post them or add to this!  Thanks.
>>
> 
> OK, I'm studying Math, but is my math this bad:
> 
>>BEST % (Five or more Bowl Appearances)
>>
>>Florida St.    60%
>>
>>20 or more bowl appearances:
>>
>>Florida St.    20
>>
> 
> To me, 20 (appearances) * 60% = 12 victories.  Am I wrong, or are they
> missing below?
> 
>>MOST BOWL VICTORIES
>>
>>10.Washington  12
>>   Auburn      12
>>
>>-Steve
> 
> Just curious....
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu
> 
> DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
> fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers! 


I don't gave the infor with me, but they probably have ties or something.

-Steve
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: Another Geography Alert
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:21:39 GMT

In article <Bswpwv.EA6@rice.edu> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.135605.15861@makesys.com> john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:
>
>>Right on Bill don't take any crap from anyone. OU has a storied tradition of
>>success between the goal posts and will be winners again well before that
>>little ole technical college in the Okeefenokee swamp. The real reason the
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Hmm John.  Where are you talking about?  I don't know of any technical
>college with a division I football program within a 3 hour drive of
>the Okeefenokee swamp.  Now if you said "nestled in the foothills
>leading to the scenic mountains of beautiful North Georgia" or "along
>the banks of the historical (and smelly) Chattohoochee River" I might
>have known where you were talking about :) :)
>
>ObWoof:  Go Yellowjackets!
>
>-- 
>Rob Butera - 
>
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Having lived in Florida most of my life, anything above the Fl./Ga. border is the Okeefenokee
swamp to me 8~) actually anything west and north of Key Largo is swamp to me d8~). 

BTW didn't you know that there are no mountains east of the Rockies in North America?
There are a lot of anthills, molehills, etc. however 8~) .

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We got the airboat, now where's them Gator gigs and flashlights?

John T.
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From: dwray@convex.com (Daryl Wray)
Subject: Re: Granger Update
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:29:00 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Keywords: thesis advisor drving me crazy
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <Bswq6x.EF7@rice.edu> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:
>For all you A&Mer's out there.  Today's Houston Chronicle quotes your
>coach as saying Granger is number one and the others will be fighting
>it out for number two.
>
>Other StupidWimpyConference note:
>
>Goldsmith was so impressed with his Rice freshman he cut their
>practice in half yesterday.  A true freshman (forgot his name but he
>was Rice's rize recruit last year) is surprising the heck out of the
>staff and has a good fighting chance of being the #2 man behind Trevor
>Cobb.  We'll see.  I remember all this optimism last year too (but
>I might believe it and make it to a game this year).
>
>Rice vs. Duke.  What a matchup.  Fellow Dukies tell me Rice will kick
>their butt.  Is Duke THAT bad this year?
>
>
Now that's enough abuse for the scholars in Houston!  Rice will take
the Dukies and few others this year.  I'll go so far as to say that
Rice will take 4th in the swc this year (behind A&M, TT, and tu, of
course).  This will be a winning season for sure and there's a pos-
sible bowl at the end...  (No smileys)

Yes, the stuff I've been using IS for sale!

Daryl
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: UPI/NFF Top 25 Preseason Poll
Date: 22 Aug 92 15:17:19 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Distribution: na
Organization: Murasami Labs

Quang Le wrote:

> So bad! Texas is not in Top 25.  But if it beats Texas A&M, Syracuse,
> Oklahoma, Miss. St. and Miami or Notre Dame in Cotton Bowl can it be
> MNC 1992? :-))
> An inquiry mind want to know. 

That's not a dream season, that's a Dream Team. And they play basketball,
not football.

James - dream on Clueless Cow [tm]
From: rossm@orcrist.EBay.Sun.COM (Ross McCammon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: aTm over Stanford, ?, !!!!
Date: 14 Aug 1992 18:02:06 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: rossm@orcrist.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: orcrist.ebay.sun.com

>I welcome an Aggies victory over Stanford. I predict the Aggies win 
>  by a score 35:17. What do you think?


You of course have heard of the two aggies who were fixing their car. It seems
that the turn signals warn't working properly. One got in the car and one stood
in back. The one in front hollers, "Are they working now"? The one in back
replies, "Yes, no, yes, no, ...".

I predict that the Aggies will spend the whole game bumping into each other
trying to figure out where Stanford's receivers are coming from. Anyone who
saw the Okies play the Elway teams will know what I'm talking about.


Ross McCammon- Native Northern Californian and Quasi Stanford fan
From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: NCSU Game films
Date: 21 Aug 1992 18:16:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Aug21.142853.10383@ncsu.edu>, currin@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD D CURRIN) writes:

|>    To answer your question though two games come to my mind. The first was The 
|> Ga. Tech game won by the Pack 28-21, this game pitted the Wolfpack against the
|> defending National Champs. Since "Injury prone" Terry Jordan (QB) was out it
|> also pitted twin brothers Geoff and Jason Bender against one another as both 
|> played as true freshmen, Geoff receiving his first game minutes. The second game 

I'm not trying to defend GT, but I don't think the game above showed how 
wonderful NCSU was.  NCSU won that game largely due to Georgia Tech blunders
(I believe two stupid plays/turnovers that resulted in two touchdowns for
NCSU) than NCSU prowess.  I think it showed GT as overrated, not NCSU as
underrated (I'm sure Mark Mitchell has the game highlights cataloged on a
VCR in his office next to his terminal for quick reference :)  )

-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

"Drugs have taught an entire generation of American kids the metric system."
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From: black@jazz.concert.net (Rob Black)
Subject: re: Respect for NC State
Organization: Center for Communications, MCNC; RTP, NC
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:45:12 GMT


In article <1992Aug19.134044.7092@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
|> Rob Black writes:
|> 
|> >Looking at that, I'd say we have 3 proven quarterbacks!
|> 
|> I'll buy that they all played well when given their chance, but by my count, 
|> you have two out of three quarterbacks who have demonstrated that they are 
|> injury prone.  Sorry, but I consider that a detriment.  While 9-2 is a good 
|> season by any inteligent fan's standards and also deserving of a top 25 pick, 
|> the Wolfpack is going to have to have more consistency to improve on that mark.
|> Were it my team, I'd trade three proven capable quarterbacks for one proven 
|> team leader who will finish the season for me.


Once again you are posting without knowing beans about our team. I would hardly
say that our QB's are "injury prone" Of the 2 QB injuries one was a freak fall
off of a hit that broke Terry Jordan's arm clean in two. The bone was about to
break the skin. This is hardly the type of injury that someone gets from being
under-conditioned or "injury prone. We do have a proven team leader in Terry
Jordan. He came back from his injury for a 34 point Peach Bowl. He will be the
starter this year.

Rob Black                  black@concert.net                   Raleigh, NC

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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Respect for NC State  (was NCSU's chances against Iowa)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:17:21 GMT

Rob Black writes:

>We . . . have 3 proven QB's coming back 

If there are three of them, what exactly did they prove?

     - Pat
.
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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Strength of Southern Conference (was I-AA vs. I-A)
Date: 23 Aug 92 15:11:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight) wrote:
}
}You mean like Furman, Appalachian State, Clemson's Southern Conference 
}opponents the last two years?  And this year UT-Chattanooga? 

Whoops!  I apologize for my careless wording - I was thinking of Clemson's
2 recent games against Appalachian State, who are quite good but not
top 5.  However, Clemson did play Furman in 1988 when they were the
Division I-AA champs, winning 23-3.  Not that impressive a showing by
Furman, but that's as close or closer than Virginia Tech (40-7), Maryland
(49-25), Duke (49-17), Georgia Tech (30-13), Wake Forest (38-21), 
North Carolina (37-14), and South Carolina (29-10) came to a very strong
10-2 Clemson team.

I believe Clemson also played Furman in '89, but I don't have the
score handy.

-- 
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From: tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Re: Strength of Southern Conference (was I-AA vs. I-A)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:06:18 GMT

>A lot of people are trashing the ACC for losing to Southern Conference teams.  
>I think the shoe is on the wrong foot: the Southern Conference is very strong.
>I have mentioned before that of all IAA conferences, the Southern could 
>become a legitimate IA league, and this is being discussed, mainly for
>financial reasons.

The Southern conference does not exactly own the IAA championship trophy.
The Big Sky is strong, the Southland is strong, and the Gateway is getting
strong.  Even if the Southern may be the best of these four, it's not the
best by miles.

>About six months ago, there was a lot of discussion about the Marshall-NCSU 
>game, and I brought up the point that Southern Conference teams seem to give 
>ACC teams a tough time almost every time they play (excepting Clemson).
>
>PDunn

Of course, this could be because all of these ACC teams (excepting Clemson)
aren't as great as some people think.

Nah...........

GT
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: I-AA vs. I-A (was Re: Respect for NC State)
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:47:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

therrien@harris.mlb.semi.harris.com (Patty Therrien) wrote:

}Actually, in 1983, one of Tech's 2-9 years, Tech LOST to Furman, blowing
}the game in the 4th quarter (as they did so many times that year).  The
}2 wins?  N.C. State and Virginia.  Mark, back me up on this.

It's sad but true!  Tech lost to Furman in '83 and was tied by them
in '86.  The Jackets also had a heck of a time beating them last
year, finally pulling it 19-17.  I'm certainly glad we don't have
to play them up there!

-- 
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"What kind of creator makes artichokes and 200,000 species of fruit fly? 
 If I'd been in charge of creation, I'd have made lasers - 8 AM, day one."
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From: behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: Sorry about the slip!!
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:37:49 GMT


In a previous post, I forgot all about Pacific being in UW's schedule.  Pacific
is definitely a cakewalk.  

Also, by UM, I mean Miami!!  NOT Missouri!!  :)


Laters,

Behzad



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From: rszczerb@milton.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: Stanford in top 10?
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:21:49 GMT

In article <9208131503.AA17817@dseg.ti.com> noonan@icd3.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Noonan) writes:
>gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>
>}noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) writes:
>}>I don't know if a top-ten ranking is deserved right now before the season;
>}>they are still unproven
>}
>}Hmm... which teams *are* proven "right now before the season"?
>
>Only Notre Dame.  :) :) :)
>

Of course ND is "proven" before the season, they've
got God on their side   :) :) :)

... No fames ... only a joke ...

I think it was Eisenhower who said that "... A
true Athiest was someone who watched an ND-SMU
football game and didn't care who won".



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From: merklin@rtsg.mot.com (Teresa B. Merklin)
Subject: Re: UPI/NFF Top 25 Preseason Poll
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:46:47 GMT

>Vince Rhee writes:
>>
>>Here is the preseason UPI/NFF Top 25 poll for the upcoming college
>>football season as reported in today's _Houston Chronicle_:
>>

I noticed that OKLAHOMA STATE was among those receiving votes in this poll...
(according to the 8/21/92 USA Today).

So the obvious question is who votes in this poll anyway?

I thought *I* was optimistic about the pokes outlook this season, but I
wouldn't exactly vote them into the top 25.

Teresa
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