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From: lynnef@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Lynne Axel Fitzsimmons)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A First Bicycle!
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:01:31 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


Laura asks:
1. How long do they usually fit on a 12"? Jeffrey is normal height. I saw
   a few kids zooming around on them at the park this weekend - without the
	training wheels. They looked like they were about 5 y.o, or close to it.

Depends on how tall they are, and how fast they grow.  My 4 yr old didn't
even get a 12", as he was too tall.  Now he is 6, and the 16" bike is too
small, but we aren't getting him a new one until he can ride this one.  You
need to see how much you can raise the seat from where you would start it -
sometimes it isn't very much!  Also check to see how the handlebar stem
attaches to the head tube - in cheap bikes (the low end Roadmaster comes
to mind) it doesn't stay attached well - there should be an expander
bolt.


2. The man at the bike store proudly told us that his bike had ball bearings,
	not bushings, like the ones at Toys R Us. What on earth is a bushing, and
	do I care? I dont expect that Jeffrey will be entering any races on this
	bike but I do care about safety. I also want a bike that will outlast his
	needs and his sisters. Will ball bearings give us more safety or durability?

Ball bearings are what *real* bicycles have.  They last longer.  They are
also repairable.  I don't know about bushings.

3. What is a reasonable amount to pay?

$75?  $80?  Maybe a used bike, in which case you pay up to about $30.  Nice
bikes from bike shops get stolen.

4. We plan to make a helmet mandatory. Any suggestions about helmets for young
	kids?

The Pro-Tec is very good, and seems to fit little heads very well.  As you
son's head gets bigger, you can just go for thinner pads, rather than buying
a new helmet (up to a point).  They come in nifty colors.


--
Lynne Fitzsimmons		lynnef@tekig1.pen.tek.com

"Second star on the right and straight on till morning" - Barrie, Pan, Kirk
From: sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Funny Things They Say
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:06:51 GMT
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Tredyffrin, PA


  Two funny stories from the life of my 2.75 year old daughter:
 
  My husband travels a great deal, teaching classes.  Both kids were thrilled
when Daddy caught an early flight on his last trip, and gleefully helped
him unpack.  My husband told them how pleased he was that his class had
given him a tea cup (most people would call it a coffee mug, but we don't
drink coffee) that he liked a lot.  Before he even unwrapped it, my
daughter said "Blah cup Daddy.  Don't like cup.  Icky".  She really carried
on, and over the next few days, it became a family joke: "Do you like
Daddy's cup Elizabeth?" got you a very heartfelt "Blah cup.  Icky cup".
Well, the next week she casually asked where Daddy's "pee cup" had gone;
no wonder she thought it was icky!  Maybe being in the midst of toilet
training has some bearing on this one....
 
  Elizabeth accompanied me to the fabric store on Sunday, and became
entranced by the huge display of buttons.  She enjoys playing with my
button box at home, and I think she thought she'd found heaven.  By the
time we got in line, I discovered she'd "acquired" one package of buttons
(most were thankfully out of reach!)  She instructed me to buy them, and
I asked to see them to check out the price before committing myself.
When I found they were $4 for 2 buttons, I said "Well, at least you have
good taste".  And yes, you guessed it, she immediately put them to her
mouth and licked them, looking terribly puzzled!  I clarified my statement,
to the hilarity of the rest of the people in line.  Reminded me of the old
tuna commercials "We want tuna that taste good, not tuna with good taste".
 
					Susanne Gilliam
 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: baby powder
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:42:54 GMT



nola@cats.ucsc.edu (Nola Van Vugt) writes:

>In article <1993Jan14.173533.8366@informix.com> cathl@odin (Catherine Lyman) writes:
>>> 
>>> One final note--don't *ever* use the talc-based stuff on your own
>>> body.  There's a high correlation between talcum powder use and
>>> ovarian cancer in women.  
>>
>>What do people do with talcum powder to get ovarian cancer? Drink it?


>No, they dust it on their crotch (sic).  Talc is powdered stone and it's

True, talcum powder is powdered stone (talc).

>full of asbestos fibers.  Apparently the stuff travels up through your

Talcum powder is powdered *talc* not powdered *asbestos*.  Would
talcum powder even be on the market if it contained asbestos fibers?
I'll believe this assertion if someone can show me references.  

>vagina and eventually migrates to your ovaries.

The vagina does not not allow foreign particles to "migrate" to the
ovaries, else the ovaries would be continuously contaminated and
infected.  There is a natural flow *out* of the female reproductive
system that keeps foreign paticles away from the inner-regions.  While
it is true that asbestos fibers can become embedded in human tissue,
by what mechanism could they migrate the distance from the vagina to
the ovaries, against the natural flow?  This really sounds just too
farfetched.


-Alan Harder
 ash@math.ams.org
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Zoe Baird's Woes....
Date: 26 Jan 1993 19:17:36 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1993Jan26.155842.2190@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>
>  So since Sue lives in L.A., and close to East L.A., it shouldn't be
>  too difficult to find an American that fits the model that she's looking for.

Surprise!  Our babysitter hails from...Tennessee, and is a delightful
exception to my own bigotted generalizations.  Sometimes you get lucky.

Sue


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sasekn@melrose.unx.sas.com (Elizabeth Norris)
Subject: Re: It's a Boy!
Originator: sasekn@melrose.unx.sas.com
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:47:06 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


We've decided on Aaron for our boy (Due April 22).
-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Elizabeth K. Norris, Instructor-Based Training                sasekn@unx.sas.com
SAS Institute Inc.                                            (919) 677-8000
SAS Campus Drive, Cary, NC  27513                             Extension 6735
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Is There A Mommy Track for Technical Professionals?
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:47:15 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <1993Jan21.154552.23507@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> glb@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Gina Bull) writes:
>In article <1993Jan19.061356.14467@fuug.fi> an6814@anon.penet.fi writes:
>>I'd like to work part-time in order to spend more time with my infant,
>>It seems as if a part-time career is non-existent in software engineering
>>and in professional/technical jobs in general.  It's looked down upon
>
>
>The problem is that employers in our society have managed to
>convert most of the population to believe that the proper
>priority is
>   
>    1. Job
>    2. Family
>
>This is ridiculous.
>[Gina's comment, which a wholeheartedly agree with, deleted]

This reminds me of one of my pet hates:

Suppose two people join a company on the same day, work equally hard,
and are equally valued and appreciated.  5 years later the leave on
the same day.  One is leaving to work for another company, the other
to have a baby.  In this country at least, person A will be praised
and congratulated and told s/he'll be missed.  Person B will be
gossiped and whispered about and someone will no doubt say "that's
what you get for employing women, they're just not committed".

This _really_ annoys me.

Alison

(I'm not sure how folk would react if person B were a man, staying
home with his kids, possibly better).
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Zoe Baird's Woes....
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:17:32 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.gps.caltech.edu
Summary: the real reason?

In article <C1F78u.4r7@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.145403.19864@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes...
>>In article <1jvnn0INNsu7@crcnis1.unl.edu> mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul) writes:
>
>>>So what's people's feelings about Zoe Baird's hassles with finding
>>>appropriate child care?
>
>I don't think its any excuse.  With her money and connections I'm 
>sure she could have found good, legal childcare.

Agreed.  I think the public recognized that the argument about not
finding legal residents to take the job was nonsense--one, there are
plenty of legal residents who will work for $7/hr plus room (we had
a long list of  applicants for $5+/hr and more than a few of them
were legal); two, she could have afforded to pay a lot 
more than that & thus make the job much more attractive.

>I think she just wanted to save a few bucks.  

Here I'm not so sure.  I've wondered all along if she was sticking by
an implausible story because the truth was completely politically
INcorrect.  I wonder if the truth wasn't that she felt she could
get BETTER childcare from a South-American woman.  It is of course
dangerous to generalize about such things, but I have a great deal
of respect for mothers from Central & South American countries--children
seem to be raised with a great deal of both love and discipline.  
Extended family ties are strong, as is generational continuity in
child rearing.  

A less sympathetic extension of this theory is that an illegal
South-American woman might be considered an especially good choice
because she would be likely to leave.  But I discount the "slave-labor"
aspect.

If I could afford either a high-priced American Nanny or a Peruvian
woman who would love my children like her own, I would have to think
long and hard about it.  Actually, considering the likelihood of my
ever getting appointed Attorney General, maybe I wouldn't have to
think that hard after all. 

Sue
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: njamal@unix.amherst.edu (Nuhad Jamal)
Subject: Re: Girls names - "M"
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:54:38 GMT

ALICE BERTELSON X2572 P7331 (alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com) wrote:
: Hi, 
: 
: My husband and I have decided it's time to think about starting baby #3 
: we have a son who is 4 yrs old called MATTHEW ROBERT 
: and an 18 mth old daughter called MELANIE KATE
: 
: IF #3 is a boy we already have a name picked out .... MICHAEL DAVID  
: but we can't seem to think of another girls name beginning with an M 
: that we BOTH like!! 
: 
: any suggestions that I can put before hubby are appreciated!!
: 
: Thanks in advance
: 
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: 

How about May?

Nuhad Jamal
njamal@amherst
From: kperdue@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com (Karla Perdue)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:05:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Kaiser S.F.
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: misc.kids


Since this was asked, I will add another:

Does anyone have any comments (good or bad) about any PEDIATRICIANS at
Kaiser in Mountain View or Santa Clara (the two Kaiser facilities that
I am likely to use)?  My daughter's father just changed his medical
insurance and she is now with Kaiser.  I have to select a pediatrician
for her.

Thanks.

Karla Perdue
kperdue@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com
From: thavey@boi.hp.com (Tom Havey)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: stepparenting
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:52:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: boi.C1H8K7.BJq
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Is there a newsgroup anywhere concerned with stepparenting issues?
Is there a need to start one?
I am a stepfather looking for information, related stories,etc.

Tom in Boise
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: Potheads of the 70's Raising Kids
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:17:08 GMT

In article <1ji2fuINN477@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>In article <1993Jan19.210640.4653@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>>
>>If that didn't happen to you, then this thread doesn't apply does it?
>Why not? I am, by your terminology, a Pothead of the 70's, and
>I am rearing children. I think it is an important discussion. I dont
>know why you brought it up if you didnt expect people to have opposing
>views/experiences.

My point was that it might be a good idea to share some of the horror
stories you had with drugs, with your kids.  If you don't agree with my
suggestion/opinion/directive/edict/whatever-you-name-it, then by all means
post if you wish.  If I don't agree/strongly agree/etc. ad nauseum, you
might see a response from me to that.  Thus begins the usenet cycle of life.
Yes?  Problem??

Now.  Suppose we were discussing safe driving habits, and someone suggested
you be honest with your kids about traffic tickets you received.  If you
never got any, then that wouldn't apply.  Same with the horror stories I
referenced.  I hope that clears this up.
>
>I sure hope this isnt main tactic for keeping your childen drug free,
>but if it is, you will need an answer for:

(Hope WHAT isn't the main tactic?)
>
>I remember grappling with that one, and finding out for myself that it
>really isnt so awful, infact it was rather fun.

The more I think about the possibility of my kid experimenting with drugs
and compare it to my own experiences, there are places in his life where
he and I won't see eye-to-eye and he will go his own way, as did I when
I was younger.  Being honest and raising him in a home where mutual
respect abounds is the best I can do, and I hope the results are the same
(or better) than mine.  I seem to have done just fine - there are things
I wish someone could have warned me about but I doubt I'd have listened.
It may have been nice to hear them, though, from someone I respected and
unfortunately my parents didn't cut it in that area.

We had people come and talk to us in high school - representatives
from Alcoholics Anonymous, Gamblers Anonymous, and one ex-junkie I
remember - and their true life experiences DID sink in.  They came
across as older versions of what we could become if we weren't careful.
Some listened; some didn't.
>
>You dont seem to like me saying this. Too bad!

That's just NOT the issue.  Not at all.  Reducing my disagreement with
you to a personal level won't get ANY point across.
-- 
-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+
Nance Colucci                                      att!ihlpl!colucci
"I'm not asking a question; I'm making a statement.  Let me finish
and then you can answer it."        Dan Quayle to Al Gore, 10-13-92
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Tryer)
Subject: Re: More humorous developmental milestones
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 20:48:19 GMT

Creative:
	By age 3 your child should have colored at least one wall and
	some irreplacable piece of clothing with permanent magic marker.

Verbal:
	By age 4 your child should know exactly which bad word should not be
	said in front of which grandparent and test the theory to be sure his
	parents aren't lying to him.	


-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: exusag@exu.ericsson.se (Serena Gilbert,cs,x0364)
Subject: Re: Help! - comforting bitee...
Reply-To: exusag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:48:57 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

Ken,
     This is definitely a problem you need to be concerned about.  We had the same problem a couple of years back.   No one could get the youngster to stop biting.  They seemed to only be biting our child.  The problem was brought to the director's attention.  After much time (and many more incidents), the director asked the parents to remove the child from their care and seek assistance for the child`s behavior.  The child was removed, but it took a while for us to get our child to stop biting, as he thou




ght this was acceptable behavior to overcome frustration.  After a third time, your concern should be piqued.  Good luck and happy parenting.  You must enjoy yours as much as we do ours.                     
                     Jon.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:26:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.202617.2000@news.acns.nwu.edu> alper@sushi.psych.nwu.edu (Theodore M. Alper) writes:
>
>2) Anecdotal evidence seems to indicate that, in later years, my son 
>   stands a better chance of finding others willing to perform oral sex 
>   upon him should he be circumcised. (Admittedly, should he be gay, the 
>   odds change: some porn seems to indicate that uncircumcised penises are
>   more desired --- though private communications make it clear that

  
Run that by me again. You're saying that there are a reasonable amount
of women who, assuming they are at a level of involvement with a man
that they will consider fellating him, change their minds based on the
fact that a guy is uncircumcised? Does anybody else think that?
From: linda@unix.SRI.COM (Linda J. Szkoropad)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cesarian Question UPDATE
Keywords: another battle story!
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:06:17 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

Remember me, the Aunt who was concerned about her neices's cesarian,
and whether or not her husband could witness it, etc.?

I'm proud to say that my neice delivered a 7 pound 11 oz. baby boy
(by cesarian) this Saturday, 1/23/93.

He was 19 inches long, has a face dimple and blond eyelashes and blue
eyes and his name is Trever Gene.

The reason he came via cesarian was after 15 hours of labor he 
was too big to deliver (the doctor did everything to prevent it)
--anyway mom/baby are fine, the father was
even brave enough to watch the baby being pulled from his mother's
abdomen, and her epidural went fine (except for vomiting the next
day)....

Thanks for all your wonderful responses (22!)--I've mailed them to
my neice in the hospital so she can read them and share your experiences

Gratefully,
Linda Szkoropad

P.S.  I think more people should sew bumper pads--they're so easy
and save tons of money (this was a present from me to her--it saved
me $50)
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Thumb Sucking
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:00:57 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: classy.jpl.nasa.gov

In article <1jpc5mINNs0e@mizar.usc.edu> biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb) writes:
>In article <8fLkZ=i00UhWE5SRpT@andrew.cmu.edu> Nancy Monda <nm0b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> (stuff deleted)
>
>> Now that he's in Kindergarten, I'm really getting nervous that he'll
>>NEVER stop!
>>
>>Does anyone have advice on whether I should encourage him to stop, if so how?
>>Should I be worried about his teeth? - he still has all his baby teeth,
>>but I imagine he'll start to lose them soon.
>
>Well, this probably isn't what you want to hear ... but my younger sister 
>sucked her thumb all the way through college! She finally stopped (so she
>says) when she got married at age 29.
>
>My mom tried every imaginable way to get her to stop, but at most it would
>get more secretive (we shared a bedroom, so she couldn't keep many secrets 
>from me). Her teeth didn't suffer at all -- none of us had or needed braces --
>but I know she was very ashamed of the habit when she became an adult.

I sucked my thumb until I was 10. My parent tried everything to get me to
stop, so I too went underground with my thumb sucking. I quit when I was
10 because I decided I was too old to continue. I really remember putting a
lot of effort into it, and was pleased with my sucess, not that I could share
it with anyone, since I wasnt supposed to be doing it in the first place.

I am quite sure that pressure from my family had nothing to do with my 
stopping, but did add to the stress of what I was doing. It is hard to 
evaluate, but giving me a hrd time about it adds to stress, and sucking my
thumb helped comfort me, so it is possbible that the if they had let me be,
I might have given it up sooner.

I did need braces for an overbite, and my dad used to tell me that the
overbite was a result of my thumb sucking. I felt bad about that, but 
when I finally did go for braces (actually a retainer), my dentist 
immeidately diagnosed the cause as a result of me resting my tougue against
my front teeth. 

Laura Floom
>
>Susan
>
>
>
>
From: ck270@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andrea Von Ahnen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: pre-teen sex play
Date: 25 Jan 1993 08:54:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


What is the opinion/experience of anyone who cares to comment
on whether sex play with siblings probably happens less often
than sex play with a non family member?  The few people I've
discussed this with felt that there is often an "instinctive"
feeling of experimenting with a sibling not being "right", while
experimentation with a friend seems okay.  I'm not sure why,
but even though I consider myself to be an open minded person,
knowing that my kids were experimenting with eachother would be
upsetting for me, though knowing that they were doing the same
with friends wouldn't concern me much.
   
Andi
  
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