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From: nobby@milton.u.washington.edu (Vitaly Shmatikov)
Subject: Re: Israel and the diaspora
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:18:09 GMT

In article <92322.1712442893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>References:
> <92304.1853132893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA><1992Nov2.143745.6279@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
> <92312.0400382893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <1e5c6iINNq11@pita.cs.huji.ac.il>
>
>
>In article <1e5c6iINNq11@pita.cs.huji.ac.il>, aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il
>(Hillel Applebaum) says:
>>
>>Many wrote - all deleted.
>>
>>The point is that while Zionism fights GALOT (diaspora), not all
>>jews are Zionist. If a jew wishs to help the diaspora get bigger
>>instad of Israel - then he isn't Zionist.
>>Now, the question is: Must a jew be Zionist ? I say - YES.
>>and if not so, and if you think not so, on what basis can we
>>Zionist talk with you on this thing ?
>>As a Zionist I'll tell you that I'll do my best to eliminate all
>>GALOYUT by bringing them here (former USSR, Ethuopya (?) or the US)
>
>Whether they want to or not? So much for free will! this explains Israel's
>arrogant, patronising and coercive attitude towards Russian Jews and many other
> Jewish communities in the diaspora. Especially the policy of trying to
>eliminate the opportunity for Russian Jews to go anywhere but Israel
>

I would be grateful if you could provide some sources for your last
statement. I left Russia not so long ago and I hardly felt any Israeli
pressure let alone attempts "to eliminate the opportunity for Russian
Jews to go anywhere but Israel". Russian authorities couldn't care less 
where I was going. As far as American immigration quotas are concerned I 
strongly doubt that Israel exercises any influence over them. The percentage 
of Jews among xSoviet emigres in the U.S. is steadily declining thus making
it less likely than ever for Israel to press American administration for
the changes in the U.S. immigration policies.

Nobby
nobby@u.washington.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Kach Policies
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:37:12 GMT

In article <dfs.721968770@crusher> dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:

# In <1992Nov17.011225.20306@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
# makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
 
# >	However, how can the liar who called the newspaper be justified within
# >any Jewish context?
 
# Unless Makowsky has proof that the person who called the newspaper is
# a liar, he has slandered another Jew, and committed lashon hara,
# something totally against the Judaism he purports to support.  I'm
# sure that Kahane, with his famed Ahavat Yisrael, would censure Mr.
# Makowsky for that action.
 
# (See, Makowsky?  It's easy to play that game.)
 
	I suggest that everyine go back and read everything in this
thread, remembering who posted what first.  Then consider whether
Skoll's own retort here would be better used aginst himself and anyone
who had accused Kach of being behind the attack.

	(See, Skoll? Sometimes it does not pay to play.)
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kosher Honey - Still no answer
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:09:59 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology

Via e-mail for posting Kibi Hofmann (hofmanna@cs.man.ac.uk) writes:
|>In article <2806@israel.nysernet.org>, warren@nysernet (Warren Burstein) writes:
|>>Another question is, as I remember it (if anyone thinks I have
|>>remembered it wrong, please go home and look it up before you tell me
|>>that I am wrong), one is allowed to kill lice on Shabbat because they
|>>are spontaneously generated.  [...]
|
|>Your memory is correct.  I do not know of any updates on this.

|I was always bothered by this seemingly illogical statement & I asked
|Rabbi P.E. Falk in Gateshead, England when i was in the yeshiva there.
|(He is a well known expert on laws of shabbos and bugs :-))

|He said that you don't have to say that the rabbis believed in spontaneous
|generation, rather the halacha follows a general principle that 'anything
|too small too see [with the naked eye] is considered *as if* it didn't
|exist'["K'man D'lessa"]

|Thus although we know that lice actually come from tiny eggs, those eggs
|are too small for most unaided eyes too see and *for the purpose of
|halacha* they come from nothing.

|Now, the problem with this is that it involves a little doublethink
|'cos you have to  believe the reality in halacha is a different kind to
|that in 'real' life, but I guess if you believe shabbos is somehow
|different anyway this isn't too much of a leap.

No problem.  In quantum mechanics, this process is called the Copenhagen
Interpretation.  The only reality that matters is what we determine, not
some independently objective description.

|>I always forget whether one is permitted or forbidden to speak to
|>demons on Shabbos.

|Well, thats a tricky one...its well known that speaking to non-Jews
|and asking them to do work for you is forbidden, so it must depend
|on how Jewish the demon was and what you asked it to do. As a general
|rule of thumb, its probably best to keep your conversations with beings
|from the netherworlds off the subject of business, informal, so to speak
|as well as infernal :-)   (sorry, very contrived I know)

|Keep the faith
|Kibi Hofmann (hofmanna@cs.man.ac.uk)
|If you're not part of the solution
|You must be a part of the problem.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: westes@sti.com (Will Estes)
Subject: Looking For Windows Programmers In Israel
Followup-To: westes@netcom.com
Organization: Mail Group
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:30:10 GMT

This may seem like an off-the-wall question, but I am hoping that
someone who reads this note will be able to point me to either Microsoft
Windows programmers, or firms that specialize in Windows programming, in
Israel.  I have a friend who will emigrate to Israel in February of 1993
and he is a talented programmer.  I would like better for him than to
end up sweeping floors.

Can someone tell me what is the general condition of the job market for
microcomputer programmers in Israel today?  Email references to any specific 
individuals or firms are appreciated.  Please courtesy copy your response
to me by mail.

-- 
Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Tzitzit on ordinary garments
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:54:30 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Nov23.134129.11889@umbc3.umbc.edu>
shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes:

>In article <9211202025.AA11645@cyclone.sbi.com>
<gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)> writes:

>>warren@nysernet.ORG (Warren Burstein) writes:

>>> The tallisists go around putting tzitzit on everything possible.
>>           ^

>>Caught ya!!  You closet Ashkenazi!

>Should it have been "tallitittt go around putting tzitzit on everything
>pottible?

Wait a minute.  I thought one only put tzitzit on clothing, not on food or
drink.  Putting tzitzit on potable items might bring us back to the great
4-cornered hamentasch debate of a couple Purims ago.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: San Diego Jewish Business Association November meeting
Date: 19 Nov 92 06:58:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov19.015818.17597
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <9211180321.AA01007@halibut.nosc.mil>
<mgross@halibut.nosc.mil (Michelle K. Gross)> writes:

>When: Tuesday, November 24 5:30 PM - 7:30 PM
>
>Where: Sheraton Torrey Pines, 10590 N. Torrey Pines Road (La Jolla)
>       (I-5 to Genessee West Exit)
>
>Speaker: Rabbi Simcha Weiser, Headmaster San Diego Hebrew Day School
>
>Topic: Jewish Business Ethics 101

Yes, I hear they are trying to get Ivan Boesky to give a keynote address.

>For more info, voice mail at (619) 491-4491, including a start at 
>a jobs bulletin board.

Is that anything like "Italian War Heroes", "Russian Democratic
Traditions", "Japanese Individualism", "Eskimo Primadonnas",
"Iranian Moderates", "Irish Temperance", "French Modesty", "Great
American Lovers", "German Compassion", or "Black Sailing Champions"?

>--Michelle
>mgross@Nosc.mil

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Sex on Fast Days
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:09:15 GMT

In article <199211201059.AA03635@das.wang.com> MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni) writes:
>I had once heard that one should  not have sex during day time at all,
>thus there  is no problem  with these minor,  day time, fasts.   Is my
>information of  no sex  during daytime  correct? I  am sure  some more
>knowledgeable person can enlighten us on that.
   I don't know that I qualify to answer, but if one is a talmid
   chacham, one can use a candle for illumination.
From: jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Prayer shawls
Date: 17 Nov 1992 21:15:28 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/trn/lib/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu

In article <2841@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>In <9211150344.AA14346@host0.COLBY.EDU> jjsulliv@COLBY.EDU (Nice Young Lady(tm)) writes:
>
>>How can the plural of tallis be talitot? It's not a feminine noun,
>
>Nouns ending with tav are feminine (talit ends with tav), as a rule,
>as are those ending in kamatz-heh.

My apologies in advance for being a fuss-budget on this, but since
I am trained as a grammarian, statements such as this cause an
itch that feel I have to scratch. The "nouns ending in tav" 
thing is a good measure to guess by but is certainly no rule. If
there is a rule regarding this issue, it is that nouns which have
an *affixed* tav are generally feminine. For example, the noun
"bayit" meaning "house" ends in tav but is masculine. Often students
of modern Hebrew will be taught that this is an "exception," but
it most certainly is not. The tav at the end of bayit is part of
the stem and is not an affix. Since bayit is a noun without an
affixed tav, it is masculine: it complies precisely with the rule
and is regular. The word talit is more difficult to judge for the
simple reason that we have no certain etymology of the root. In
this case, the only mechanism we have to judge the gender of
the word is to observe the nouns, participles, etc. which are
used to modify the noun. In the case of talit, every source
I checked which had an adjective showed a feminine adjective. Add
to this the fact that the lexicographers (particularly Ibn Shushan)
agree on feminine, and we can come to a simple conclusion.

Jack Love


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jjsulliv@COLBY.EDU (Nice Young Lady(tm))
Subject: Re: Prayer shawls
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <jjsulliv@COLBY.EDU (Nice Young Lady(tm))>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:19:14 GMT


>in <9211150344.AA14346@host0.COLBY.EDU> jjsulliv@COLBY.EDU (Nice Young Lady(tm))
> writes:

>>How can the plural of tallis be talitot? It's not a feminine noun,

>Nouns ending with tav are feminine (talit ends with tav), as a rule,
>as are those ending in kamatz-heh.
>--
>/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
> |__/__/_/
> |warren@
>/ nysernet.org                      Jerusalem


Ah...courtesy to the ignorant.  Thank you very much, so far in Hebrew we've 
only had easy-to-id feminine nouns like Torah (since I did not have the 
advantage of going to Hebrew school, being born catholic (shows G-d messes up
once in a while!)) and I was confused by the fact that someone said in yiddish
it was Talisiym (which in Hebrew is usually tacked onto masculine nouns) 

I think. :)

JJ
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:20:32 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Nov17.135125.25237@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>>That Hitler defined who is a Jew? (your pointer to the Holocaust)
>>		I find that thought repulsive in the extreme
>
>Let's face it; people were murdered for being Jewish who you, in
>your infinite wisdom, would exclude from our community.  That's
>why I think is repulsive in the extreme.

And if, during the Holocaust, one would paint "Jew" on the front of a
Catholic's house, the occupants would be taken and persecuted as Jews.
Does that mean that Judaism should recognize them as well?  (Please
don't bring up the fact that Catholics were also prosecuted, I know
this very well).

>The only nonsense is your head in the sand attitude.  It's time you
>recognize the real world.

Then you should abandon all religion completely.  After all, it's
nothing but faith in what can't be observed anyway.

-- 
  |)  David Charlap          | .signature confiscated by FBI due to
 /|_  dic5340@hertz.njit.edu | an ongoing investigation into the
((|,)                        | source of these .signature virusses
 ~|~
From: F66204@BARILVM.BITNET (Shaul Wallach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Quote "PITHU SHEARIM VEYAVO GOY SHOMER EMUNIM"
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:25:57 GMT
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel

In article <sheizaf.722461993@pluto.cc.huji.ac.il>, sheizaf@pluto.cc.huji.ac.il
(sheizaf rafaeli) writes:

>Can anyone help in locating the source (or other appearances) of
>the following quote:
>
>"Pithu Shearim VeYavo Goy Shomer Emunim"
>
>This quote appears as an insription on top of the main entrance to
>the old synagogue in Berlin. Is probably at least 170 years old.
>
>It means something like "Open the gates, and let the faithful in".
>
>Can anyone help locate the source?

>Thanks,
>
>Sheizaf Rafaeli
>Hebrew University of Jerusalem
>sheizaf@pluto.cc.huji.ac.il or sheizafr@shum.cc.ac.il

Isaiah 26:2

Shalom,

Shaul Wallach
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From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Date: 19 Nov 92 07:43:42
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
	<1992Nov18.184142.27360@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
	<1992Nov18.215436.10666@guinness.idbsu.edu>
	<1992Nov19.062732.21597@cis.ohio-state.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: soldan.aero.org
In-reply-to: khaikin@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu's message of Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:27:32 GMT

On Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:27:32 GMT, khaikin@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (dmitry
khaikin) said: 
 
> Would you kindly respect the Name of G-d and NOT write His Name like you
> just did. I can't even read the your article after this. It reminds of
> the way goyim write the name of ... on the walls of the toilet. 

Although I try and remember to write with a "-" instead of an "o", remember
that the usage with a "-" is merely an affectation. The english word is a
general term, unlike the hebrew tetragrammon that should be treated with more
respect as the proper name. Even Orthodox authorities have indicated that the
english term does not mandate the use of the "-".

Daniel
--
[W]:The Aerospace Corp. M1/055 * POB 92957 * LA, CA 90009-2957 * 310/336-8228
[Email]:faigin@aerospace.aero.org              [Vmail]:310/336-5454 Box#13149
		    "And as they say, the rest is compost"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Re: NO WAY! (Re: A message from Kach to the Arabs?)
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:40:01 GMT

In article <92322.135608YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> Yaakov Kayman <YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>

 writes:

>I don't believe for one INSTANT that this attack was the work of Kakh!
>Rather, it was almost certainly that of some group seeking to further
>muddy Kakh's name. Kakh is not so stupid, nor is it so amoral, let alone
>immoral. THis, after all, is MURDER, hardly anything ***RABBI*** Kahane
>might ever have given his approval to!
>
>Yaakov K., supporter of Rav Meir Kahane, Hashem Yiqqom Dammo
>           (may G-d avenge his blood!)
>

Well. It's good to know that _that_ suspicion's been laid to rest.  So
who _is_ responsible?

Maybe Mayor Dinkins?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aa640@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Neil Parks)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.sex
Subject: Re:  Interfaith marriage
Date: 17 Nov 1992 07:38:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa640@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Neil Parks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) says:

>MZ:
>>>>>>Is there anything wrong with a Jew f*cking, pardon me, "dating" a non-Jew?
>

I recommend that you get hold of the book "The Jewish Way in Love and
Marriage", by Rabbi Maurice Lamm, and read the chapter on "Interfaith
Marriage", pages 48 through 65.

If you want the short version, then just read "A Note to Those Who are
Preparing To Marry Out of the Faith" on page 64.


-- 
NEIL EDWARD PARKS
>INTERNET: aa640@cleveland.freenet.edu
(Fidonet) 157/3 (Nerd's Nook)
(PC Relay/RIME)  ->PCOHIO in Common conf
From: arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: WARRENS NAZI'S SLOGAN ( was:Re: Oral sex )
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:20:35 GMT
	<2867@israel.nysernet.org> <4497@bimacs.BITNET>
Organization: USC/Information Sciences Institute
In-reply-to: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET's message of 20 Nov 92 12:11:04 GMT

In article <4497@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>
> In article <2867@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>
> >/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
>
> Warren repeatedly expressa  Nazi idea on this net.
>
> He should be stopped.

Like, what do you intend to do?
--
Yigal Arens
USC/ISI                                                TV made me do it!
arens@isi.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: Mathematical Proof of G-d?
Organization: Smiley Abolition Front
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:52:31 GMT

The way I've seen the formula is
         i(pi)
        e     + 1 = 0

which uses what are arguably the five most "interesting" numbers
in mathematics (e, i, pi, 1, and 0).

This hardly constitutes a proof for God's existence, since the
laws of Mathematics are eternal and invariant. God created us
capable of deriving and understanding these rules, but God did
not create the rules themselves.

Also, pi is a product of Euclidean geometry. Since this universe
is non-Euclidean (presuming that light travels in straight
lines), God arguably created a universe in which this equation
is, while not false, nevertheless inappropriate.

My two shekels...
-- 
Andrew Michael Solovay    

"We know that Solovay is a misogynist and an idiot..."
                --Melinda Shore
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Re: Why I think Kach's policies WASTE BANDWIDTH
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:52:02 GMT

OK, Eli.  I've moved it to e-mail with Makowsky.  Everyone, lower your
blood pressure!

--
David.
From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Plastic Surgery [Was Re: Pierced Ears]
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:53:30 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <isaac.721949811@etrog>, isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Isaac Balbin) writes:
> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>
>>As far as I know, yes.  The obly surgery that is permitted is that
>>which is essential.  If you need a transplant or some other
>>life-saving operation, you are obligated to have it.  But an operation
>>for aesthetics (like a nose-job when you have no problem breathing) is
>>not permitted.
>
> This is not quite correct. There is a disagreement on plastic surgery
> between Rabbi Waldenberg of Jerusalem, Shlita, and Rabbi Feinstein, OBM,
> two of the greatest decisors of Jewish law in our generation.
> The former forbids it, whilst the latter permits it under certain circumstances.
>
> And NO, they do not discuss pierced ears.

The following is my unsolicited medical opinion :-)

Since abdominal adiposity (a.k.a. "beer belly") is  a risk factor in coronary
heart disease, I would say that a suction lipectomy (removal of fact by suction
aparatus) in males carried out under lidocaine infiltration (local anesthetic)
would be permissible as it may reduce relative risk of CHD.

Dr. Josh Backon
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL






Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Why I think Kach's policies WASTE BANDWIDTH
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:46:05 GMT

In article <92322.1419442893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

# In article <1992Nov17.022910.24924@ennews.eas.asu.edu>,
# makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) says:

# >In article <emc.721961733@ro> emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout) writes:

# ># >>>>>>>>>Herman said:
# ># >>>>>>>>>Kach is racist
# ># >>>>>>>>Isaac said:
# ># >>>>>>>>no they are not
# ># >>>>>>>Israel said:
# ># >>>>>>>yes they are
# ># >>>>>>Shlomo said
# ># >>>>>>they are not
# ># >>>>>Moishe said:
# ># >>>>>but they are
# ># >>>>Haimi said:
# ># >>>>define racist
# ># >>>Yaacov said:
# ># >>>Kach is racist
# ># >>Shmuel said:
# ># >>no they are not
# ># >Mikhael said:
# ># >yes they are

# ># A racist will never admit to being one.  He/she will admit to
# ># the existence of racists, but his/her policies will never
# ># be racist, by definition.  Save your breath and our bandwith
# ># ladies and gentlemen.

# >        Funny, but almost the same can be said about people who engage in
# >smear tactics by calling others racist.

	I would like to thank Andy for posting this since it gives me an
opourtunity to say something else about Eli's post.  It would seem,
according to what he wrote above, that anyone who denies they are a
racist is one.  Well, I will not do it, but I wonder what would be if
I called Eli a racist?

# ># Let's just make sure these people never get their hands on real
# ># power or influence.

# >        Whom?  The racists or Kach?
 
# Cheap, infantile joke. Obviously eli thinks Kach is racist.

	If you knew it was a joke, how come you did not realize that it
was obvious I knew what he meant?  Why did you even reply?
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: sexism
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 00:39:26 GMT

In <1992Nov12.184328.12636@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> segs@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (susan.e.slusky) writes:

>The tk is a pain to launder, if you really want to know. 
>Washing machines are very tough on the tzitzit.

About five or six years ago, there was a discussion here on how to
wash tk's, the best suggestion, (I've forgotten whose it was, and I
don't have archives ...) in my experience, is to wind all four tzitzit
around four fingers of a hand and to place a rubber band (which must
be twisted many times to make it tight) around them so they don't
unfold in the wash.  When washed this way, I usually find that the
material of the tk begins to give out before enough threads break to
make it pasul.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
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