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From: pete@ohm.york.ac.uk (Pete French)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Looking for SoM paraphanalia
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:20:51 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

From article <C18BCA.AHB@irvine.com>, by dany@irvine.com (rorshach):
> Does anyone know of any mail order outlets where I can get Sisters of
> Mercy posters, shirts, & similar things...?  (I have seen a few items
> in record stores here & there but nothing I was desperate to own) I
> realize this question betrays my ignorant status, so be kind :)

Official merchandise :

The Reptile House
P.O. Box H.P. 29
Leeds LS6
West Yorkshire
England

-bat.

-- 
-Pete French. (the -bat. )    -+ 	Are you in the militia ?
Adaptive Systems Engineering   |
                               +- Tuktusiuriagatigitqingnapinngitkyptinnga!
From: AS.GMH@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gina)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Looking for SoM paraphanalia
Date: 22 Jan 1993 10:02:31 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <C18BCA.AHB@irvine.com>,
dany@irvine.com (rorshach) writes:
>Does anyone know of any mail order outlets where I can get Sisters of
>Mercy posters, shirts, & similar things...?  (I have seen a few items
>in record stores here & there but nothing I was desperate to own) I
>realize this question betrays my ignorant status, so be kind :)
>
>Thanks.

I know of one place in LA, so it'd be a little drive for you from
Irvine-- Bleecker Bob's on Melrose.  The records are really
overpriced, so ignore them, but they've got great t-shirts!  I was
there in November, and bought t-shirts of Current 93, Coil, Dead Can
Dance and This Mortal Coil.

--Gina

"Coil's music makes my bowels churn." --Clive Barker
From: rji@nyquist.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: The Vampyre Society
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:01:03 GMT
Organization: Communications Research Group

For anybody who wanted a contact address for the above society.

The following information was taken from Melody Maker of 9th January:

The Vampyre Society: for 1 year membership send 12 pounds to:

                Alice Pinder
                P.O.Box 68,
                Keighley,
                West Yorkshire,
                BD22 6RU.

Membership gives you 4 issues of `The Velvet Vampyre', free small adds (!)
and invitations to social events such as pub meetings, fancy dress balls and
weekends in Whitby.
--

The MM article didn't say if cheques should be made out to the society
or Alice Pinder, so it may be best to write for information before sending
any money. The article did however take the society more seriously than any
other I have seen so it sounded OK (although the quote "Yes we do get a few
goths, and wierdos who cut themselves with razorblades and drink their own
blood" was a bit dodgy :-)


                        Rob.


-- 
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|                       | Rob Ingram                                          |
|  By request.          | University of Nottingham                            |
|  Englands Finest.     | Department of Computer Science                      |
|                       | Nottingham, UK.                                     |
|_______________________|_____________________________________________________|
|                       |      "Women: Can't live with 'em, can't get them    |
|  rji@cs.nott.ac.uk    |       to dress in skimpy leather Nazi outfits"      |
|_______________________|_____________________________________________________|
From: Michael.A.Russell@dartmouth.edu (Michael A. Russell)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: Death in June & Current '93. Info needed.
Date: 23 Jan 93 15:57:47 GMT
 <1993Jan22.190520.24825@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
Reply-To: darkman@dartmouth.edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1993Jan22.190520.24825@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
djs6015@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Don Smith) writes:

> In article <1993Jan22.140756.11075@maths.tcd.ie> morpheus@maths.tcd.ie (John Mc Donagh) writes:
> }
> }Is the lead singer of DiJ the same as Psychedelic Furs or am I getting
> }confused? 
> }
> BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!! Douglas P. has and never will be part of the
> Psychedelic Furs.

Quite agreed.  Douglas P. (of Death In June) and Richard Butler (of the
Psychedelic Furs) belong to different realms of music.

As for other Death In June releases, I would heartily recommend "The
Corn Years" and "But, What Ends When the Symbols Shatter?"  These are
two of Death In June's finest compilations of music (IMHO.)  Check them
out!  "But, What Ends..." is much more acoustic than any other DIJ
release, and might appeal to you if you're trying to play the guitar
along the acoustic DIJ songs on "Nada."  :-)  If you like the "acoustic
industrial" feel, I'd also recommend the band Sol Invictus which
reportedly has an ex-member of Death In June in its lineup.

I'm just getting into Current 93, but I can recommend "Dawn."  It's a
bit noisier than DIJ (and definitely the Psychedelic Furs!!!), but it
still flows well from track to track.  You should try posting this
question to rec.music.industrial to get a more complete answer to your
question on C93.  If C93 appeals to you, you should also check out the
band Nurse With Wound.

Good luck!

---  The Darkman (Darkman@dartmouth.edu)
From: AS.GMH@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gina)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: The legend of the Nephilim
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:13:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <PROPE7.13.728140863@ifens01.insa-lyon.fr>,
PROPE7@ifens01.insa-lyon.fr (Albin Champoussin) writes:
>I've discovered "Fields of the Nephilim" 1 year ago, and i think their music
>is exeptionnaly great...
>
>But i'm wondering about the legend of the Nephilim.
>I've searched in encyclopedia, dictionnary and religion books, but i didn't
>find anything about it.
>
I once found a reference to the Fields of the Nephilim.  Sorry, but
I don't remember where.  The legend refers to a race of giants...

--Gina
From: depeche@cs.mcgill.ca (Acme Instant Dehydrated Boulder Kit)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Legendary Pink Dots
Date: 24 Jan 93 02:12:46 GMT
Organization: Net-A-Holics Anonymous


There is a mailing list for discussion of Legendary Pink Dots, Edward
KaSpel, Tear Garden, and other collaborations and spinoffs.

To subscribe, send e-mail to
cloud-zero-request@cs.mcglil.ca

The old address, cloud-zero@acc.stolaf.edu, is NO LONGER GOOD. Please do
not use it, and spread the word that the new address is this.

-- 
| Alan Ezust    depeche@cs.mcgill.ca   McGill University Computer Science    |
|------------------------ Montreal, Quebec, Canada --------------------------|
#include <funny.but.meaningful.quote.txt>
From: st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Schwartzberg, Queen of Spades)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: The legend of the Nephilim
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:32:43 GMT
Reply-To: st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Brandeis University

In article <phungus.728177123@camelot>, phungus@camelot.bradley.edu (Lyle Erickson) writes:
>In <1k6tt0INNnsn@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.GMH@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gina) writes:
>
>>In article <PROPE7.13.728140863@ifens01.insa-lyon.fr>,
>>PROPE7@ifens01.insa-lyon.fr (Albin Champoussin) writes:
>>>I've discovered "Fields of the Nephilim" 1 year ago, and i think their music
>>>is exeptionnaly great...
>>>
>>>But i'm wondering about the legend of the Nephilim.
>>>I've searched in encyclopedia, dictionnary and religion books, but i didn't
>>>find anything about it.
>>>
>>I once found a reference to the Fields of the Nephilim.  Sorry, but
>>I don't remember where.  The legend refers to a race of giants...
>
>>--Gina
>
>Yes, that's right.  I think the reference is to a race of giants from the
>old testament.  They were supposed to of all been killed in the great
>flood.  I've never actually read this from the bible itelf, but I think 
>I saw it in an interview with Fields of the Nephilim years ago....
>
>Hope that helps, and correct me if I'm wrong....


"...And there were giants in the earth in those days...">


>   phungus@camelot.bradey.edu


  -Schwartzberg
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: ashaw@ruacad.ac.runet.edu (Eldritch)
Subject: Re: Death in June & Current '93. Info needed.
Organization: Radford University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:07:06 GMT

   hmmm... a chorus of "The Torture Garden"... interesting.  I'm currently
reading The Torture Garden by Octave Murbeau (sp)... I highly recommend
it... mind expanding stuff and quite wonderfully twisted.

	Adam

Celebrate here, please... for all you've changed me...
From: caroliner@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: 93 Tibet 93..
Date: 28 Jan 93 07:34:10 GMT
Reply-To: caroliner@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA


    from the mopey desk of caroliner rainbow:

well, my friend mike knows dave tibet rather well (through continued 
correspondance), and well, you guessed right, he is a pretty wierd guy...
he actually goes gravedigging and shit, and has various bone collections, 
etc....he is really into 'capt. beefheart & his magic band', and will trade
you really rare 'current 93' items for any rare 'c.b.' stuff. when you think
about it, 'current 93' don't sound that much like 'nurse w/wound', except for
some occaisional weird instrumentalness...and dave tibet sounds like a cross
between bob dylan and gollum (from the hobbit movie)...but oh well...

lessee, i sure hope this damn newsgroup has improved a bit over time and has
branched somewhat from the "strictly gothic" crap...

for instance, i happened to have gotten the new 'and also the trees', "green 
is the sea" about a month ago, so for those who didn't know, it's out...it's
nothing like their older stuff...it sounds more like "farewell to the shade".

and i just got the new 'einsturzende neubauten' ep "interim" today...it's o.k.it sounds like "haus der luge" with a tad more homemade instruments involved...
it even shows you the neat new instruments they've made (i wish i had
umlauts)...

and anyone who likes dave tibet/'current 93' & 'nurse w/wound' should get 
their "the sadness of things" cd...pretty cool...and tibet's also got a book
out too, but good luck trying to find it...it's called "just being" or 
"simply being" or something that...i don't know, i've only heard about it.

and if anyone's thinking about buying that new 'psychic t.v.' techno acid
house slab of crap 12", don't, it blows knob...and it's mostly just fred
gianelli doing it anyways...god, they used to be such a good band...sigh...

see ya-
         -   caroliner phosphorous dirt welding carnivore treats.
From: Earl Grey <ajs90@uk.ac.soton.ecs>
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: mee too mee too....etc... (Ne[ph,f]ilim)
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:10:24 GMT
Originator: ajs90@herbert

In <1993Jan15.204234.103022@zeus.calpoly.edu> ssimpson@zeus.calpoly.edu (the Dragon) writes:

><DPS124@psuvm.psu.edu> grovels:
>>I am hereby pleading with your lovely hearts to take pity on my plight... pleas
>>e send me info on where i may contact The Nephilim... a current mail address wo
>>

>The latest address I have prior to the Surrey one is:

>24 Gaskin Street
>London N12RY

>...Unless Ian J has some better info.

>(An alternate form seems to be 24 Gaskin St., Islington, London N.I.
>...would some UKlander like to help clarify this muddle for some Amurikans
>who don't know the British mail system? $)

The addres would be 

	24, Gaskin Street,
	Islington
	London
        N1 2RY
	U.K.

The N1 2RY is the postcode, similar to US zip code.
Uk post codes work on the format of

	<alpha><num><space> <num><char><char>

<alpha> is one or more <char>
<num> is one or more digits

the poscode uniquely describes about 3 or 4 addresses

Hope this clears somthing up.


--
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*                        *                                 \--<->--/     *
*      Andrew Suter      * 'Sound as Noise,               - <#>-<#> -    *
*  ajs90@uk.ac.soton.ecs *        Noise as Art,             -\ | /-      *
*  grey@uk.ac.soton.mail *               Art as Terrorism.'   \=/        *
*       Earl Grey        *                                               * 
*                        * {This is what you want..this is what you get} *
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From: e_ruthyn@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Shadow Project
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 11:31:22 PST
Reply-To: e_ruthyn@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Organization: Indescribable Creations

I just wanted to say that I enjoy Shadow Project very much. It would be 
difficult not to appreciate a band whose two founding members were 
heavily involved in the early Gloom scene in LA.Since Rozz and Eva have 
always written lyrics on these subjects, and were in bands who began the 
whole anti-christ,fuck,blood, etc..themes so prevelant in Gothic music 
today,or if not began,exemplified at a VERY early stage,it would be 
unfair to fault them for using terms and images which were part of their 
style Thirteen years ago or so!
I saw two live shows here, one which was AWFUL, at the Stone, and one 
which was WONDERFUL at One Step Beyond.So I wouldn't judge them on the 
basis of seeing one show,hearing one album.
But,they are not for everyone.If you are really into the 
Clean,English,synthisized version of Gothic music,like late 
Cure,Siouxsie,Sisters,etc..you probably won't like them. They come out of 
the Speed Metal/45 Grave/Early Christian Death/Superheroines school of 
Gothic music.An animal of a different colour entirely...
Incidentally,so as to prevent severe flaming, I'm not saying there is 
anything wrong with the bands I mentioned, I am merely pointing out a 
difference in style. I enjoy both styles, but the Shadow Project,etc. 
style is closer to my heart since I grew up in LA.

__________________________________________________________________________
   |       /         |\
   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N            [ e_ruthyn@cyberden.sf.ca.us ]
From: HCROSS@kentvm.kent.edu (Heather Cross)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: TMC slaughteres correction
Date: 24 Jan 93 07:20:01 GMT
Organization: Kent State Univ.


 
 
      In my zeal to respond to the"TMC slaughter"msg, I made one small error
that I am going to correct,if it pleases you all.  "I am the Cosmos" wasn't
written by Alex Chilton, but Chris Bell, who was also a member of Big Star;
however, "I am the Cosmos" is on Chris Bell's solo album and not on any Big
Star album, to the best of my knowledge.  That's all-- now I'm going to bed.
                                   Goodnight.
                                                Heathen
From: PROPE7@ifens01.insa-lyon.fr (Albin Champoussin)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: The legend of the Nephilim
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:21:03 GMT
Organization: INSA  CENTRE INFORMATIQUE DU 1er CYCLE
NNTP-Posting-Host: pc110-101.insa-lyon.fr
Keywords: Nephilim

I've discovered "Fields of the Nephilim" 1 year ago, and i think their music
is exeptionnaly great...

But i'm wondering about the legend of the Nephilim.
I've searched in encyclopedia, dictionnary and religion books, but i didn't
find anything about it.

It would be nice if somebody can send me something, or give me some 
references of books or something like that.

About "Fields of the Nephilim", i'm looking for news, FTP sites, discography,
Lyrics and all that is concerned by Neph...

Thanxx !!
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: cairnsj@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (John A Cairns)
Subject: Re: The legend of the Nephilim--The whole story . . .
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:57:34 GMT

Ok you Heathons, listen and repent ye for this is the word thy God.


Warning Biblical Quotes can be found in the text that follows, take 
nessicary precationary action.

The Nephilim come from a sorted tale in Genisis in which a nasty group
of Angels, who having taken a liking to the pretty maidens on Earth, go
about fornicating and debauching themselves...as follows..

 most of this is quoted from some fanatical religious group's pamphlet
the rest is my interpretation.  Everything I ever learned was stolen . . .

"

Angels that became wicked Spirts.

	By lying to Eve in the garden of Eden, a certain angelic
creature made himself the wicked spirit Satan the Devil.  Afterward 
he began trying to get other angels also to turn against God.
In time he succeded.

	'the angels that did not keep their original position but forsook
their own proper dwelling place.' Jude 6

	'The sons of the true God began to notice the daughters of 
men, that they were good-looking; and they went taking wives for themselves,
namely, all whom they chose.' Genesis 6:2


The angels put on fleshly bodies, and they came to earth to have
sexual relations with beautiful women.  Such love affairs were wrong for
angels...

So god does them in. . . no that isn't the real end...more more more. . .


	Babies were born to these angels and their wives.  These Babies
were not like other human babies.  The kept growing bigger until they
became giants  'wicked giants.'  'mighty ones who were of old, the men
of fame.'  These giants tried to force everyone to be as bad as they were.
'the badness of man was abundant in the earth and
every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only bad all the time.' 
Genesis 6:4, 5

So . . . Jehovah brought the Flood.

The 'Nephilim' (giants) were drowned along with all the other wicked 
earthlings.

Well now you know how the nephilim came to be....want to know what happened
to the Angels?

God wouldn't let them back into Heaven, how's that for a punishment . . .
It is really bad cause further God denied them of his 'light'.

I'd give my left arm to not be let back into Heaven and be denied God's
light. . .

Always ranting about something . . .
-- 
                      All of the agents will defect.
                    All of the resistors will sell out.  
                      CairnsJ@RinTinTin.Colorado.EDU
From: beth@nermal.SantaRosa.Edu (Beth Winegarner)
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
Subject: Re: The legend of the Nephilim
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:02:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Santa Rosa Junior College, Santa Rosa, CA

>I once found a reference to the Fields of the Nephilim.  Sorry, but
>I don't remember where.  The legend refers to a race of giants...

It's in the Bible.  Sometimes they're only referred to as "giant."  Also,
Madeline L'Engle's 4th book in the "Wrinkle In Time" series, called "Many
Waters," has Nephilim in it, though those ones are a bit different.
Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: ogre@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (clark wen)
Subject: Re: Nurse With Wound
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:18:35 GMT

locklin@titan.ucs.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN) writes:


>In article <1jpdgoINNj87@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.GMH@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gina) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan22.140756.11075@maths.tcd.ie>,
>>morpheus@maths.tcd.ie (John Mc Donagh) writes:
>> [stuff deleted]

>Example: After ministry's "Psalm 69" there is a short reading from Aliester
>Crowley's "Book of Lies"  (The way to succeed, or the way to suck eggs)
>which, in a roundabout "occultish" way, is telling you to go suck a dick....

>ANother example: Genesis P Orridge (psychic TV and Throbbing Gristle "fame")
>did a decent intro to an Aleister Crowley book.

I've been looking for "Book of Lies" for quite some time, but I guess
"normal" bookstores just don't carry this sort of thing...any ideas?








































Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: ashaw@ruacad.ac.runet.edu (Eldritch)
Subject: Re: Anne Rice
Summary:   thoughts and other babble
Organization: Radford University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:13:08 GMT

    I did _not_ like The Witching Hour.  To me it was like wading through
700+ pages to find out nothing had really been resolved.  She's said
there's to be a follow-up book to it as well as one for Rameses the Damned...

   I read The Tale of the Body Theif and was entertained, but The Vampire
Lestat is still my favorite of those.  Taming of Sleeping Beauty (A.R.
Rauquelaire, psuedonym) is basically Penthouse forum in book-size...  have
yet to read Belinda or Cry to Heaven.

	Adam   (it's just like Adam says, it's not so hard to understand)

Newsgroups: alt.gothic
From: nbrao@athena.mit.edu (?????)
Subject: Re: some kind of stranger
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:44:23 GMT

In article <0fLhuJi00awGA36Etl@andrew.cmu.edu>, aw37+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew W. White) writes:
|> does anyone have the lyrics for "some kind of stranger" by the sisters
|> of mercy off of first and last and always?  i play in a goth band who
|> wants to cover it, and i'm having a little trouble deciphering the
|> lyrics so i can sing it.  any of the music would be welcome as well, but
|> i've already figured out most of it. 
|> thanks much
|> freak out
|> andy

Off the top of my head...

And yes I believe in what we had...
But words got in the way
And only yesterday
As I was leaving
Lord knows I've heard a million conversations
Going where they've been before..
See the way that careful lingers
Undecided by the door.
* And all I know for sure 
All I know for real
Is knowing doesn't mean so much
When placed against the feeling
The heat inside
When bodies meet
When fingers touch.
All of my words are secondhand
And useless in the face of this.
Rationale and rhyme and reason
Pale beside a single kiss.
And I've heard so many things
I fail to understand at all.
I'd settle anytime for unknown footsteps in the hall outside.
Repeat *
Because the world is cruel
And promises are broken.
Don't try to tell me anything
Don't try to tell me
You'll be true to me
You know the real truth is never spoken.
I know the world is cold 
But if you hold on tight to what you find
You might not mind too much
Though even this must pass away,
And memories may last for years
But names are just as souvenirs...
Some kind of angel let me look into your eyes...
Don't give my why's and wherefore's..
Reason for surprise.
I don't care for words that don't belong.
And I don't care what you're called.
Tell me later if at all.
I can wait a long, long time 
Before I hear another love song.
Oh dear I think you're beautiful
My door is open wide.
Some kind of angel come inside.
Come here I think you're beautiful
I think you're beautiful, beatiful.
Some kind of angel come inside.
Come here I think you're beautiful..
I think you're beautiful.
Some kind of angel come inside.
Repeat last 3 verses twice to fade with "stranger" instead of "angel"

Correct me if I'm wrong.   Not sure about when it's "come here" or 
"oh dear".  I just guessed.

Nhan
Xref: sparky alt.gothic:2670 alt.music.alternative:20490
From: bwebb@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu
Newsgroups: alt.gothic,alt.music.alternative
Subject: RE: Ministry... With Sympathy
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:42:51 GMT
Followup-To: alt.gothic
Organization: Northern Arizona University


    John, With Sympathy is very much like poppy-Depeche Mode, or Erasure on
a different type of drug. I like it a lot. I prefer the noise on LORAH, but
overall its a good album, if one doesn't compare it to the rest of MINISTRY's
stuff.
    Twitch (also by Ministry) is much more "gothic" than Psalm 69 or With
Sympathy. Isle of Man is slow, and has a great after-buzz effect to the album.

     Speed-Goth's might also want to check out Coroner's "No More Color." A
very good album, speed metal, guitars, haunting lyrics, great voices.
 (ala McCoy of the Neph.) Coroner reminds me of Phobia played a bit faster and
louder. (Phobia being FOTN's song on The Nephilim.)
   -- Bill