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From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Do bike stores mark up or mark down?
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:59:12 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

spinaa@rpi.edu (Matt Garretson) writes:
>Do most bicycle stores sell complete name-brand bicycles for more or less than
>the manufacturer's suggested price? I've read some reviews of bicycles that
>seem good, and the prices listed in the articles are in my range. Should I
>expect the bikestore prices to be above or below the reported prices? Will
>there be a lot of variation in price from sore to store?
>Also, how good an idea is it to mailorder complete bicycles? Are the prices
>low enough to offset shipping and handling charges?

I'm not a bike dealer but I play one on TV.  Alot of magazine reviews seem
to underestimate the retail price of new year model bikes.  Bicycling is
especially guilty of this although they are probably getting incorrect
information from the manufacturer who hasn't actually settled on the 
retail price at press time (typically 3 months before the issue is printed).
I don't think you'll see many bikes selling for higher than retail.  I don't
think it's a good idea to buy a complete bike mail order because it's useful to
have a local dealer who can do a 30-day tuneup and otherwise service the bike.
If it's a decent shop they may be likely to give you discount prices on
equipment if you bought a bike from them.  I've always managed to find such a
shop wherever I've lived.  Every now and then I still order components mail
order but I prefer to support my local dealer if I can find one that deserves
it.
-Terry
-- 
-Terry
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Mini-Pump Review 4/5
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:59:20 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek

VETTA MICRO-TELESCOPIC

Vetta's Micro-Telescopic, with its telescoping body, reversible head,
and built-in gauge was the most feature-rich pump tested.

The telescoping body adds another 6-1/2" of pumping power to each
stroke, and noticeably reduces the number of strokes necessary to
inflate the test tires. Still, there was significant resistance on all
but the lowest-pressure, highest-volume tires. With the tight
tolerances between the telescoping sections, there's a tendency for the
pump to stick/catch when the plunger moves between sections--make sure
you keep the pump clean to prevent this.

The Vetta's head is unique in that the Schraeder portion actually
threads onto the valve to help eliminate leakage. The
Micro-Telescopic's built-in gauge was accurate when it actually worked.
The pressure reading/rating would vary wildly unless the head was held
on the valve absolutely perfectly.

Vetta provides one of the most versatile mounting systems of all the
pumps tested. A pair of water bottle boss-mounted clips are included,
as well as a single clip mounts to the frame's main triangle.


MT ZEFAL HP MINI DOUBLE-SHOT AND MINI DOUBLE-SHOT

I tested Zefal's original mini-pump in the first issue of crosswords
and wasn't very impressed by its performance; so I was eager to see how
their latest offerings fared.

The Hp Mini Double Shot and Mini Double Shot are very similar: both
feature telescoping bodies, share the same reversible, thumb-lock chuck
(with a convenient plug that keeps dirt and water out of the head), and
are secured with bottle-cage mounted clips. The pumps really only
differ in their material and diameters: the Hp features a narrow,
aluminum body; where the Mt. Zefal's is plastic and of a larger
diameter. The Hp is suited more towards narrower, high-pressure tires,
whereas the Mt. Zefal is best when used on wider, low-pressure tires.

Both of the Zefals had the smoothest feel of all the telescoping pumps.
Their thumb-lock chucks were the easiest to use with Presta valves. My
only complaint is the Hp uses a press-fit construction, and cannot be
serviced (i.e., lubricated) easily (if at all). The Mt. Zefal however,
uses conventional threaded construction.

--
Mark Chandler              Novell, Inc.         510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com     Walnut Creek, CA     AOL: Crosswords
===============================================================
   The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles.marketplace:1958 ucb.wanted:284 ucb.math:16 ba.market.misc:9890
From: gorodski@skippy.berkeley.edu (Claudio Gorodski)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace,ucb.wanted,ucb.math,ba.market.misc
Subject: bicycle for sale
Date: 11 Jan 1993 22:29:28 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: skippy.berkeley.edu

Fuji road bike for sale, 10 speed, aluminum wheels. 
With rack, bottle rack and pump.
Moving, must sell - $ 70 or best offer.
Please call (510)658-9726.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: ROSS Signature MT Bikes - any comments?
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:00:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.133425.2831@analog.com> todd.honan@analog.com
(Todd Honan) wants to Ross: 
>
>... I saw a 1992 ROSS Signature Mountain Bikes on sale.  My wife is
>interested in getting a mountain bike and these were in our price
>range. ... They looked like decent bikes but did not know any history
>behind the quality of the frame.  ...

Ah, Ha!  As the once proud driver of the blue Ross dump truck (and
ya'll thought it was dead), I can give you a little history about Ross,
and even a data point.

Ross used to be a mid-price level bicycle manufacturer in the US.
They concentrated on road and touring bikes.  Then along came the
ATB/MTB/Hybrid/et al craze.  They tried to keep up, got into trouble,
closed up for a while and came back. betting on the MTB/ATB/Hybrid.
Their frames in the past were well made and lasted and lasted and
lasted.

Data Point:

The 13 yr old blue Ross dump truck rests in my garage, the frame in
excellent condition.  Even some of the original components are still
functioning.  It was replaced by a Schwinn touring bike (yes, Schwinns
are good bikes, and I wouldn't buy a Paramount because I don't like
the steep geometry).  I may yet rebuild the Ross and put it back on
the road.  It was given to me to replace a stolen Schwinn (may the
perp rot in hell) and was always just a smidgen too tall.  I do have a
son that it would fit nicely.

What happened to it:

Frame:  Paint is dingy, but not faded; chipped and scratched in a
        "few" places--shows it's age.  Welds are still clean and
        strong, no cracks that I have been able to find.  May be
        slightly out of line.

Wheels: Replaced after I went down in a paceline and my wife, keeping
        her head, rode right over the top of me.  She got past without
        a problem, but the original wheels were potato(e)-chipped
        beyond redemption.

Saddle: Replaced with the Selle that I still ride.

Brakes: Original Diacompe Us, with new pads (twice) and cables (twice).

Shifters: Original SunTour.      |
                                 | still functioning friction stuff
Derailleurs:  Original SunTour.  |

Freewheel:  Yes, freeWHEEL, still functioning (5 speed), with a couple
            of cogs replaced.

Crankset:  Chainrings replaced.  Pedal eyes are shot and bottom
-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles.misc
From: kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kip Ingram)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Wanted: Rollers w/resistance unit
Date: 4 Jan 93 13:47:54 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

Hi.  I recently sold my stationary trainer; I could just never get into 
working out on it.  But I need something to train on on rainy days, so I
thought I'd give rollers a try.  Maybe watching my balance will help keep
my mind off of how boring cycling indoors is.  

So, if you've got a set with a fan or magnetic resistance unit please let 
me know.  I can get what I'm looking for from Colorodo Cyclist for $140 
with return option if I hate them, so a used price will need to be quite a
bit lower.

Thanks in advance,
Kip
kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
(512)471-4496
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: tschorer@hoh.mbl.edu (Tim Schorer)
Subject: Re: In defense of Huffys
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Organization: MARINE BIOLOGICAL LAB
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 14:22:11 GMT


One interesting side note:  Huffy Bicycles used to own Raleigh USA.
Doesn't that just suck?  I have a Raleigh MTB and track bike.  Damn.



Gawd, owns two raleighs?  Who would be caught dead on one of those?  Maybe
we shouldn't be throwing stones, eh boo boo?  Always stay away from the
guys in the peloton who are on raleighs, they're usually the ones with the
crew socks that have the stripes on em and yell "braking" as they enter
corners...
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles.marketplace:1844 rec.bicycles.tech:2936
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:57:22 EST
From: <U3C@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Shimano or SunTour?
 <C0CKF6.Ex2@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> <1993Jan4.210445.20779@mprgate.mpr.ca>
 <C0EI79.4Cx@rice.edu>

Dont forget the new "xc-expert" micro-drive group....described as a "budget
racing group"

steve
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: todd.honan@analog.com (Todd Honan)
Subject: ROSS Signature MT Bikes - any comments?
Originator: honan@marlin
Organization: Analog Devices, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:34:25 GMT


I was at the Bike Nashbar Outlet Store in Needham, MA last night (1/6) and saw
1992 ROSS Signature Mountain Bikes on sale.  My wife is interested in getting
a mountain bike and these were in our price range ($370 - $440 on sale).  Both
bikes were cromoly frames with Shimano components (the $370 bike had
400LX and the $440 bike had Deore LX).  They looked like decent bikes but
did not know any history behind the quality of the frame.  My wife only
wants to do light trail riding, nothing heavy duty.  I think the names on the
bikes were Mt. Washington (green color) and Mt. McKinley (red color) but I
could be wrong.

Please send comments either directly to me (todd.honan@analog.com) or to
the net as I read this group regularly.  I'll post a summary if anyone is
interested.

Thanks,
Todd

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# snailnet :-)  Analog Devices, Inc.  3 Technology Way, Norwood, MA 02062
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From: adr5@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Alex D Rodriguez)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Track Hubs
Reply-To: adr5@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Alex D Rodriguez)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:21:50 GMT

In article <93005.155844U3C@psuvm.psu.edu> <U3C@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>Also if anyone has any nice pedals (non-clipless) or track bend handlebars
>for sale I might be interested.
>
>Thank you in advance
>
>Steven Y. Litvin     U3C@PSUVM.PSU.EDU

I have a pair of MKS platform pedals.  They are actually pretty nice but I only
ride clipless nowadays.  If you or anyone else is interested you can have
them for $15+S&H or interesting trades.
-----------------------
Alex Rodriguez
Columbia University
New York City
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Mini-Pump Review 2/5
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:55:38 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek

BLACKBURN MP-1

With its dual-wall aluminum barrel and convenient fold-out handle, the
Blackburn MP-1 feels like a much larger pump. To help augment its
diminutive size, the MP-1's double-action design pumps air in both
directions of each stroke. However, the double-action feature did not
seem to significantly reduce the number of strokes needed to inflate
any of the test tires. The Blackburn had lots of resistance with narrow
high-pressure tires, but worked much better on medium- and larger sized
tires

The MP-1 uses a adjustable reversible nozzle that can accommodate
Presta or Schraeder valves. This adjustable nozzle also makes it easier
to reattach the pump for "topping off." The Blackburn can also be used
as a Presta-only system which offers a tighter seal between the pump
and the Presta valve. Unlike the other pumps, Blackburn uses o-rings
instead of a conventional leather or rubber plunger. This is especially
convenient if you need to find a replacement on short notice
(Blackburn's pumps feature a two-year warranty).

The MP-1 comes with Blackburn's one-piece Grip Clip mounting system.
The Grip Clip can be mounted directly to a set of water bottle bosses
or attached to the frame's main triangle with the supplied double-sided
adhesive tape and zip-ties. Also available is the optional AirBag
($19.95 suggested retail); which has additional room for a patch kit
and tire levers.


DELTA MICRO-PUMP

The Delta Micro-Pump was one of the biggest surprises of the test. It
quietly pointed out that numbers alone don't tell the whole story. The
Delta may have required more strokes than any other pump, but its low
resistance at all but the highest pressures made it easier to pump than
most of the other pumps tested.

The German-made Micro has a unique dual head that can accommodate
Presta and Schraeder valves without changing any parts. A large (7mm)
ball-bearing rests between the two heads; when a valve is inserted in
one of the heads, the ball presses against the other head and seals it
off. This design is not foolproof however; some air does escape out of
the un-used head. The heads aren't especially deep, so you need to
remember to keep the pump seated securely with your hand.

Delta includes two, two-way, clips that let you attach the pump to the
frame's main triangle. But because the clips aren't permanently mounted
to the frame, the pump and clips can rotate if bumped or grabbed when
the bike is carried.  

--
Mark Chandler              Novell, Inc.         510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com     Walnut Creek, CA     AOL: Crosswords
===============================================================
   The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: jjprior@athena.mit.edu (Jack Prior)
Subject: Re: Avocet 50 rear wheel speed/cadence system
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:55:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.151724.3185@athena.mit.edu> jjprior@athena.mit.edu (Jack Prior) writes:
>Does Avocet make a wiring setup that allows cadence measurement and
>rear wheel speed measurement?  

This product does not exist but Avocet (800-227-8346) will provide a wiring
diagram so the user can combine a cadence kit and rear wheel pickup kit to
achieve this result.




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BioProcess Control Lab	| Cambridge, MA  02139	 USA	| Cserve 73617,2663 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: pat@wrs.com (Patrick Boylan)
Subject: Time TWT Clipless pedals (NEW) $50 OBO
Reply-To: pat@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:38:04 GMT

Subject says it
-- 
 Patrick Boylan, - Wind River Systems, Alameda, CA - pat@wrs.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: giza@apollo.HP.COM (Peter E. Giza)
Subject: Miyata 912 for saleFor Sale:
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:40:19 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA


    Miyata 912.  23.5", 700's, Vetta saddle, everything you'd
    expect on a 912.  3 Years old, Shimano 600 series comps.
    Not more than 25 hours on it.  $325.00 or B.R.O.


-pete (508) 436-5564

Keywords: 


-- 
Peter E. Giza * giza@apollo.hp.com * ~falsum in uno falsum in toto~  ~@:)



Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: RONEAL@lexmark.com (Randy O'Neal)
Subject: Used Dura-Ace clipless pedals
X-Disclaimer: These views are the poster's and not necessarily those of Lexmark
Organization: Lexmark International, Lexington, KY
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:06:50 GMT

I have a chance to pick up a pair of used Dura-Ace clipless pedals
for $50.  They're a little scuffed, but besides that, they look as
if they're in good condition.  Is this a reasonable price?  They're
definitely last year's pedals.  Would these make a good entry into
clipless pedals (currently using Ultegra/600 platforms w/toeclips)
or are they similar to the Look(?) pedals that increase with release
strength and reduced rotation as the quality level increases?  Also,
is the release tension adjustable and/or release mode selectable?
Any insights would be appreciated...
 
Randy O'Neal                         "The above views are mine alone,
RONEAL@lexmark.com                    though they can be yours too for
Printer Attach Software Development   a nominal fee..."            __o
Lexmark International, Inc.                                       `\<,
Lexington, Ky.                                                    O/ O
 
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: jcollias@src.dec.com (Jim Collias)
Subject: Re: New Alsop cro-mo stem available?
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 20:55:08 GMT

The 'plastic' lower link is actually carbon fiber.  Tom Fiirskenicht (sp) used 
this stem when he won in bromont for team Ritchey.  His bike with this new stem 
and Canadian mud is on display at Palo Alto Bicycles out here in CA.

The aluminum model is not really that expensive at $185 mail order.  It's worth
the weight savings, and it doesn't attract as much attention as the silver cro-mo
version.

Jim
From: karl_best@novell.com (Karl Best)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Time Sprint pedals: any good?
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:03:30 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.

I just ordered a set of Time Sprint pedals from Nashbar (they were on sale).  
When they arrived the other day I was unpleasantly surprised. They're made of  
plastic! They look like they'd break on the first ride. I looked at the  
catologue to make sure that I ordered the right thing--their euphemism for the  
pedals is "composite construction". 

So... has anyone had any experience with these pedals? Are they very durable?  
Should I keep them or pay the bucks to upgrade to a better quality model?

--
Karl Best                              Far away, across the field
Novell Tech Pubs           ...  __o    the tolling of the iron bell
Provo, Utah  801-429-3428 ..   -\<,    draws the faithful to their knees
kbest@doc.novell.com      ...(_)/(_).  to hear the softly spoken magic spell
karl_best@novell.com                      -Roger Waters, Pink Floyd
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Mini-Pump Review 5/5
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:02:54 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek

What's the best pump? Well, it depends on your needs. For narrow, high
pressure tires, I'd recommend the Barbieri, Vetta, or Mt. Zefal Hp Mini
Double Shot in that order. For really big, low-pressure tires, my first
choice would be the Silca Gran Sasso, followed by the Mt. Zefal Mini
Double Shot. For Schraeder valve users, the Vetta with its screw-on
chuck is tops. Overall, taking into account efficiency, smoothness, and
chuck-quality, I'd have to pick the two Zefals.

                  Length   Weight   Strokes

Barbieri           9.25"   4.1 oz   150
Blackburn         11.25    4.6      375
Delta	           8.5     2.4      400
Silca Baby	   9.75    2.8      300
Silca Gran Sasso  12.5     5.6       60* (40 max)
Vetta	           9.25    4.8      175
Zefal Hp           9       3.3      250
Zefal Mt           8.25    3.3      100* (60 max)

Length is the overall, compressed length

Weight does not include mounting hardware

Strokes is the average number of strokes required to inflate a 700x35C
tires to it's recommended 85psi.

An asterisk (*) indicates that the pump could not reach the tire's
recommended pressure. The number in parenthesis is the highest pressure
that particular pump could attain.

--
Mark Chandler              Novell, Inc.         510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com     Walnut Creek, CA     AOL: Crosswords
===============================================================
   The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Avocet 50 rear wheel speed/cadence system
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:28:02 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles.marketplace, kc@core.rose.hp.com (Kurt Chan) writes:
>My manual says that Avocet makes a rear wheel pickup. However, I haven't
>seen this in any stores or catalogs. It would be relatively easy to make
>one, though. The same hardware will mount on a rear wheel - you just need
>a longer wire to go from the rear wheel to your handlebars.

It doesn't seem like it's really that easy.  The flange on a rear hub
is larger so the magnet ring is not going attach with the 3 or 4 little
barbed prongs that hold it onto a front hub.  The ring may not even
slide over the rear hub body between dustcap and flange at all.  Even
if this works there will be some dificulty attaching the pickup so that
it is close enough to the ring.  I'm not familiar with Avocet's rear
wheel pickup kit but it must address these problems.  Their standard
replacement mounting kit is pretty cheap so I imagine the rear wheel
kit is reasonable.  I'm sure it would be possible to modify the standard
setup for rear wheel use, but I don't think you're going to switch back
and forth that easily.

David Mackintosh
From: jjk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Jeff Krenek)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Opinions on Indoor Training w/Rollers
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:53:55 GMT
Organization: HP Software Technology Division


I have been cycling for a number of years in sunny California.  This has
enabled me to ride consistently without much consideration for weather.  
However, my schedule will be changing soon and I am looking for some 
alternate forms of indoor training.  

I have looked at both rollers and track stands for stationary, indoor
training.  The rollers seem to offer the most flexibility and less stress
on the frame.  However, they are significantly more expensive than other
forms of stationary trainers.

Before making a decision/purchase, I would like to solicit the opinion of
other cyclists that have tried any of these products; brand names are 
also important.  I am familiar with most of the pros/cons of each, but 
would like some personal testimonials from those who have used these before.  

Please mail to me directly or post here.

Thanks,
Jeff Krenek
krenekj@mayfield.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Subject: Re: Mini-pump/mini-tool results
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:31:33 GMT

A10377@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Michael Duke) writes:
:   In addition I asked about floor pumps. Seems like everyone already
: knows what I do - Silca pumps aren't very good. Not much else.

I strongly disagree.  I definitely prefer Silca pumps, both "floor"
pumps and frame mounted, to any others on the market.

Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com