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From:         Michael Cammer <cammer@AECOM.YU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: "ADULTery?"
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              "millerl@WILMA.WHARTON.UPENN.EDU" at Apr 13, 92 3:54 pm

> > First of all, as a sign of maturity, adultery may be it.  The definition
> > is _concensual_ sex.  Too many people are not mature enough to have this.
>
> So is license a sign of maturity or freedom any more than self imposed
> monogamy? This isn't a new way of thinking. It's at least as old as the
> epicureans. You have a choice between one action and an opposite action,
> not between one action and no action... DEVO said it: Freedom of choice,
> not freedom from choice.
Monogamy should be concensual too.  When I said blah blah blah about
adultery in this context, I did not exclude monogamy from the range of
valid adult (or even child) activities.  Yes, license is a sign of maturity,
though not of adulthood, since kids may give license.

> > Secondly, adultery, as D. Foss pointed out ages ago, can only exist
> > given the institution of marriage, since adultery only applies to sex
> This makes sense, since we probably all agree that only adults (should)
> get married. The blood test is to test if you have had any venereal
> diseases and are thus indisputably adult, right?
Except for babies born with said diseases or abused children who by the
abusers contract such diseases.

 Do you watch adult
> movies, drink from the adult water fountain? Still, "Adult" has been so
> twisted as to be meaningless. Do we need a new phrase for what used to
> be adultery? Perhaps "down wit OPP" will suffice?
How about extra-marital sex?

>
> > Thirdly, adultery is considered bad.
> This in itself may be sufficient. Consider it the perversity defense.
> But why did Clinton claim he didn't inhale? Guffaw!
When he and Gennifer did "it", he didn't cum either.

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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:09:00 CST
From:         SJPALMER@UKANVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: CAMPAIGN

I completely DISAGREE.  I think all you losers--ie, those who feel they
have lost--should just start posting all this "real" material you claim
to have up your sleave, instead of complaining about how a few posts
from Foss are driving your pathetic cowardly souls "underground."


You got better things to talk about?  Prove it.
From: millerl@wharton.upenn.edu
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Subject: Re: Oh what's to be done with you Loren Miller
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:32:17 GMT
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In article <FNORD-L%92041003463532@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>, DFOSS@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU (Daniel A. Foss) writes:
> done. But in this sitcom series I had Him and Her adulterously adulterating all
> over the place in honor of the Clinton campaign.
>    Why were they living in Ann Arbor Michigan? Yes you, Loren Miller.
>    "Duh."

How did you know I'd say that?

>    Because the Michigan Primary was that week! Oy Gevalt! Elsewise I put them
> in California or Daytime Television where they belong.
>    Next question. Him and Her are fictitious characters, right?
>    "Duh."

You're a psychic, a true star, a generous idiot savage! I'd babble
trivia all day, but I'm not a big talker, rather I spout bullshit
whenever hormonally challenged. Trivia, bullshit, what's the diff,
Cliff?

>    What do we call it when you make jokes with one figment and get sexually
> pursued by another?
>    "Duh."

A very cool dream. Is this a vocabulary test? You say it's
"hallucination" later, but it can be other things too. "Hallucination"
has been banned by our drug tsar, Dan "best planet on earth" Quayle.
Instead of hallucinating you can try to comprehend the republican
platform, but when politics = hallucination we're in big trouble, or you
can go back to sleep and dream, dream, dream.

We're in big trouble.

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From: arandia@acsu.buffalo.edu (Joel D. Arandia)
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Subject: #1 reason to vote Brown
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:14:26 GMT
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He's 53.  He's single.  He has sex with movie stars.

In my book, that's pretty good.
					ruprechtytoastman.
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              shut up, ok

 Oh dear.  Old Fossie seems to have lost it, no?
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From:         "The Caterpillar Cannot Understand The Butterfly"
              <salsbury@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
Subject:      Some sobering words from an ex-reader. Please read and think
              about it...

        I agree with Paul. For the most part, even *I* don't read the
crap spewing from this list anymore, and I started the damn list
running!
        The one nice thing about news is that I can put people in my
KILL file, and I have...
        If you REALLY understand the purpose of this list, you won't
give a childish, knee-jerk reaction and say "Oh, well just post some
counter-crap if you don't like our crap." Please see if we can get
this list back on topic. Please post the garbage in alt.slack, or send
to /dev/null. Thanks.
        Otherwise, it just drives those of us who DO want to talk
about stuff that this list was formed for back underground. Granted,
we all know where to go, and most of us are there, but JESUS! It'd be
nice for once to be able to prove all the nay-sayers wrong when I try
to say that maybe people ARE ready to start thinking. That it's OK to
try to link to a larger distribution, and that we won't get mucked up
in garbage. A few of you are proving me wrong, AGAIN, and frankly, it
sucks.

Pat
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From: ppershin@isis.cs.du.edu (Paul Pershing)
Subject: Re: A NEW SUBJECT AREA: ACTUALISATION
To: salsbury@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Caterpillar Cannot Understand The Butterfly)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 14:41:06 MDT
    Cannot Understand The Butterfly" at Apr 11, 92 1:43 pm
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For what it is worth, and if anyone cares, I unsubscribed to this list
because, for most of the time I was on it, it did not live up to its
billing.
A list that dealt with ideas and concepts such as those advanced by
Tim Leary and Robert Anton Wilson, among others, would've been a great
resource and worthwhile place to hang out.
As it was, it seemed as though a few of the users treated it as their
private club, with little or no regard as to how others thought about
dozens, maybe even hundreds, of postings among them with nothing but
(what someone probably thought was a cute) sort-of self-referential
series of quote intros....
Finding my mailbox after only two days of not reading mail stuffed with
more than 100 of these things, sprinkled with, for the most part, other
material that had little value, led me to unsubscribe.

I intend no malice,
Paul
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:02:50 EDT
From:         Michael Cammer <cammer@AECOM.YU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CAMPAIGN
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              Confusion" at Apr 14, 92 10:03 am

>
>   Better a void than list full of dicksplash drivel.
>                                                                ___
A matter of taste.  I've enjoyed the long amusing and informative postings.


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LEAHY05@SNYBUFVA.BITNET (Nothin' Lasts Forever,               Even Cold November Rain) writes:
-is this the same for noack-ing??
-when I subsrcibed I received a file saying that to unsubscribe or to set noack
-I sent to the listserv ...obviously it doesn't work to unsubscribe to the
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From: millerl@wharton.upenn.edu
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Date: 10 Apr 92 21:14:28 GMT
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Like, was that praise or revilement?

B!b!bb!th!pppt!bb!ppt!th!b!thuh

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From:         Bill Anderson <LIBWCA@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalal
              a

As your delightful childhood game has become tiresome and annoying, I have
instructed my representatives to have you all lobotomized.  When challenged,
please make no sudden moves.  The others cannot help you.  We are your friends,
and it's all much better this way.  Trust me.

-Bill
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Subject: Re: "ADULTery?"
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:54:10 GMT
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In article <199204120143.AA05816@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu>, cammer@AECOM.YU.EDU (Michael Cammer) writes:
>>quoting me:
>> -Why is adultery called adultery anyway? I think it's childish, not
>> -adult; like playing doctor more thoroughly than you ever got away with
>> -as a kid. Not that it isn't an appealing prospect, but it's hardly a
>> -sign of maturity. No?

> Lastly,

And the last shall be first. 

> why the particular word "adultery" (instead of pederdasty)?
> Why is a fig a fig and not a rose (which by any other name would smell
> as sweet)?

This, of course, is the direct answer to my off-the-cuff mostly-not-
serious question, which was linguistic, not moral or ethical, in intent
if not expression.

> First of all, as a sign of maturity, adultery may be it.  The definition
> is _concensual_ sex.  Too many people are not mature enough to have this.

So is license a sign of maturity or freedom any more than self imposed
monogamy? This isn't a new way of thinking. It's at least as old as the
epicureans. You have a choice between one action and an opposite action,
not between one action and no action... DEVO said it: Freedom of choice,
not freedom from choice.

> Secondly, adultery, as D. Foss pointed out ages ago, can only exist
> given the institution of marriage, since adultery only applies to sex

This makes sense, since we probably all agree that only adults (should)
get married. The blood test is to test if you have had any venereal
diseases and are thus indisputably adult, right? Do you watch adult
movies, drink from the adult water fountain? Still, "Adult" has been so
twisted as to be meaningless. Do we need a new phrase for what used to
be adultery? Perhaps "down wit OPP" will suffice?

> Thirdly, adultery is considered bad.

This in itself may be sufficient. Consider it the perversity defense.
But why did Clinton claim he didn't inhale? Guffaw!

-- 
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:22:00 CST
From:         SJPALMER@UKANVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: CAMPAIGN

I apologize for the sour tone of my first response to the Dump Foss campaign.
In the American spirit  of not getting mad, but getting even, I announce
my OWN campaign.

N E W  C A M P A I G N !!

Against Who?

All the yellow-bellied no-spine New-thinking-wanna-be bless-T-Leery where's-
my-acid New-age byte-my-way-to-higher-consiousness lick-me-RAW I'm-on-a-
higher-plane-doing-a-nosedive keyboard-fondling I-think-newer-than-you
whining terminal-potatoes

Why?

Because.
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From:         Jaroslaw Rafa <SFRAFA@PLKRCY11.BITNET>
Subject:      How to not get mail

For all those of you who don't want to get mail from this list (there were
several such postings recently):
Send the LISTSERV@UBVM command SET FNORD-L NOMAIL, for example with
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(if you're using VM/CMS). I did it a week ago and it worked. I'm not getting
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if you have an Internet address, SEND COMMANDS TO LISTSERV'S INTERNET ADDRESS,
and if you're on Bitnet, SEND COMMANDS TO ITS BITNET ADDRESS. It may not work
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LISTSERV seems to not accept commands.

Good bye for now, maybe some day I'll be back (or unsubscribe at all).
Happy Easter
     J.Rafa
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 21:43:37 EDT
From:         Michael Cammer <cammer@AECOM.YU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: "ADULTery?"
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              Cannot Understand The Butterfly" at Apr 11, 92 6:22 pm

> -Why is adultery called adultery anyway? I think it's childish, not
> -adult; like playing doctor more thoroughly than you ever got away with
> -as a kid. Not that it isn't an appealing prospect, but it's hardly a
> -sign of maturity. No?
First of all, as a sign of maturity, adultery may be it.  The definition
is _concensual_ sex.  Too many people are not mature enough to have this.
Secondly, adultery, as D. Foss pointed out ages ago, can only exist
given the institution of marriage, since adultery only applies to sex
outside of marriage; any unmarried woman I'm lucky enough to come into
sexual contact with is merely having an affair.
Thirdly, adultery is considered bad.
Lastly, why the particular word "adultery" (instead of pederdasty)?
Why is a fig a fig and not a rose (which by any other name would smell
as sweet)?


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Subject: Re: "ADULTery?"
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ok, I was gonna comment on this before, but it slipped away.  Now, tho...

Pat wrote:
>millerl@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
>-Why is adultery called adultery anyway? I think it's childish, not
>-adult; like playing doctor more thoroughly than you ever got away with
>-as a kid. Not that it isn't an appealing prospect, but it's hardly a
>-sign of maturity. No?
>	HEHEHEHEH!
>	That's quite good! Good question! :)
>
>	Anyone have any ideas?

Well, I'm certainly biased as a confirmed polygamist, but I think that to bring
up the topic is to subscribe to a narrow path of thinking, ie that permanent
pairings make sense.  I personally believe in Learning and Love.  In the
limited lifespan offered to humans, to maximize the interactions possible
polygamy makes sense.

anyway....
joe
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From:         The Land of Confusion <graham@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: CAMPAIGN
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SJPALMER (the Danny-wide_boy-foss fan club) writes:
|
|I completely DISAGREE.  I think all you losers--ie, those who feel they
|have lost--should just start posting all this "real" material you claim
|to have up your sleave, instead of complaining about how a few posts
|from Foss are driving your pathetic cowardly souls "underground."

  Better a void than list full of dicksplash drivel.
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From:         Michael Cammer <cammer@AECOM.YU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: #1 reason to vote Brown
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              Arandia" at Apr 6, 92 3:14 pm

Joel D. Arandia writes:
>
> He's 53.  He's single.  He has sex with movie stars.
>
> In my book, that's pretty good.
> 					ruprechtytoastman.
>
And rock stars.

p.s.  Don't vote for Agran because he has become a Fulani cultist.

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From:         Sebastian <ST202516@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Peace, love, all that shit.

      On the door of my dorm room I noticed today are messages signed w/ a peac
e sign, a valentine, a smiley-face, and a teddy-bear. In my quest for the perfe
ct in-joke, I propose that we Erisicly inclined(this is all Illuminatus! stuff,
I should warn the unIlluminated) adopt a stylized Golden Apple as our new hackn
eyed cliche, represented typographicly by a "k" in parentheses thus: (K). When
written, a stem would be added, of course. Good idea?

              "Maturity is for tose too young to know better"
                                    --Sebastian.
From: salsbury@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Caterpillar Cannot Understand The Butterfly)
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Subject: "ADULTery?"
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:22:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.1992Apr11.182246.25848
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millerl@wharton.upenn.edu writes:

-Why is adultery called adultery anyway? I think it's childish, not
-adult; like playing doctor more thoroughly than you ever got away with
-as a kid. Not that it isn't an appealing prospect, but it's hardly a
-sign of maturity. No?
	HEHEHEHEH!
	That's quite good! Good question! :)

	Anyone have any ideas?

Pat
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Subject:      Re: La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, de, da . . .

I don't get it.
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From:         Bill Anderson <LIBWCA@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      All the garbage, all the magic

Granted, granted... the chain letter, or whatever it was, was one of the
most remarkably stupid things I've ever seen on the net, and my last two
or three posts have been pretty silly, and Uniatz and Cheating never really
have much to say, being so bound up in their sick little love/hate thing
that they have become totally incomprehensible to most of the world outside
Stony Brook, and of course Foss is always an annoyance, albeit an inspired
annoyance...

BUT

The fact remains, Pat, that nobody has posted anything on topic in several
months, with the exception of something about something called Herbert's
Head, or something.  Nature abhors a vacuum, and empty net-space always
gets filled with bullshit.  I'm not sure why pointing this out should be
taken to mean that one doesn't understand the true purpose of the list, cause
that's just the way it is.

-Bill
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 10:47:00 EDT
From:         Bill Anderson <LIBWCA@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      re: All the garbage, all the magic

Yeah, I guess I was wrong- there certainly has been an amazing volume of
in-depth, substantive discussion since that darn Foss shut up.

-Bill
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Subject:      Re: All the garbage, all the magic
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You silly twisted boy, you.

Count Jim Moriarty
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From:         The Land of Confusion <graham@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, de, da . . .
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  This is just getting too smegging tedious.

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From:         The Land of Confusion <graham@SEES.BANGOR.AC.UK>
Subject:      CAMPAIGN
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                  CALL TO JOIN THE CAMPAIGN...
                  ============================

What campaign? ...

    THE campaign to banish DANNY-WIDE_BOY-FOSS from this list

Why?

    To rid this place of his smegging tedious shaftoid otiose
    inane rodomontadish self-aggrandising drivel.


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