HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: buz@sdf.lonestar.org (Buz Overbeck)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: COMPUTER PROGRAMS
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:37:17 GMT
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access

In article <24204@oasys.dt.navy.mil> venkatac@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ravanasamudram Venkatachalam) writes:

>Are there computer programs that will give astronomical data to construct
>a horoscope, that will run on PC's?  Or are there fundamental astronomical
>equations which are readily available, from which one can write a program.
>Any helpful response(s) will be very much appreciated.  Thank you.

Matrix Software has a great collection of astrological packages.
There are other companies as well, but the quality of all Matrix
products is, in my opinioun, superior.  Particularily the
documentation.

As you appear to have an Indian name, you might be interested in their
Vedic Astrology program; the most complete Indian Astrology program
currently available.  You can request a catalog, or get more
information by calling:

                       Matrix Software: 1-800-PLANETS

Good luck,

Buz




-- 

Buz Overbeck
TLC Group
Dallas, Texas
From: bobw@shiva1.cac.washington.edu (Bob Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: A3 Colour natal charts
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:23:57 GMT
Organization: UW Information Systems

Consider looking at the 'portable bitmap utilities', widely available
in source form for unix systems.  I use them to take the xbm output of
astrolog and turn it into a lot of things, among them hpgl.

--Bob
From: venkatac@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ravanasamudram Venkatachalam)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: COMPUTER PROGRAMS
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:21:35 GMT
Reply-To: venkatac@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ravanasamudram Venkatachalam)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Hello Netters,

I just found out about this news group, and have a couple of questions.

Are there computer programs that will give astronomical data to construct
a horoscope, that will run on PC's?  Or are there fundamental astronomical
equations which are readily available, from which one can write a program.
Any helpful response(s) will be very much appreciated.  Thank you.

Forgive me if this is a redundant question.

R. S. Venkatachalam
From: kap@eng.cam.ac.uk (Kevin A. Price)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: New Astro program spotted
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:53:29 GMT
Organization: cam.eng

Hi all,

I've just spotted a new astrology program at hilbert.maths.utas.edu.au
(ftp# 131.217.60.1) it's called ASTRO271.ARJ. 

It produces interpretations as well as positions. But, unfortunately,
it has a limited number of 'goes'. I might just purchase it as an aid
to my own interpretations. I saw a similar program about 3 years ago,
but, I can't remember where I got it from (I'm pretty sure it was 
Public Domain). Any ideas, suggestions?

Cheers

Kev :)
e-mail kap@eng.cam.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:15:40 EDT
From: <WJS112@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: off/on the subject

    I realize that this isn't exactly the place for such beginner questions,
however, I received such interesting comments about my theory of their being
more than 9 planets in this solar system, (I wondered how this would effect
astrology), that I once again have to address another question to the group.

    In my astronomy class today, I was told "Because the earth wobbles on  its
axis and because of the time period that has gone by, the constellations that
follow the earth's ecliptic "path" today, are not the same as x number of years
ago..." This means that leo, cancer etc...are wrong for todays time period.
I guess I am asking why hasn't astrology been "upgraded.  Of course, this would
suck, because then I couldn't say that I was a leo anymore...but still....

    Also, how does the actual planets , stars etc..affect mankind. I would
think that light, electromagnetic activity, gravity etc...would have a hard
reaching and causing a person to act differently. Perhaps this involves
a dealing with energy flow on matrix lines, etc...

   Well, I am sure most of you have seen arguments like these before, and any
thoughts, comments, and/or opinions would be welcome. Once again, I say thank
you for your time.

                                 Gersha.

                                        Smitty.
From: "jim kane" <jim.kane@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: newspapers
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:53:58 EST
Reply-To: "jim kane" <jim.kane@canrem.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

CA>Since you refer to strong points of "the theory", could you briefly summariz
CA>what those might be?

   There are many approaches to astrology. One "theory" is the saying,
   As Above, So Below. Or the correspondance that the macrocosm (the
   Universe) and the microcosm (Man) were created by one force (God?)
   and both were created of the same Universal patterns and energies.

CA>evidence for the vast majority of accepted astrological conjecture.  The wor
CA>of the Gauquelins stands as the sole pillar of apparently reproducible fact
CA>upon which teeters the entire ediface of astrology.

   The proof is in the pudding. Have you never gone to an astrologer ?
   Have you ever looked at your own chart ? If you really want to test
   its validity, look into your own chart.

   With a basic knowledge of astrological knowledge, the insights you
   will get from a birthchart concerning yourself and others will
   convince you.

CA>Gauquelin, nor anyone else, has ever validated the use of the zodiac as a
CA>delimiter of any quality, trait or event.

   Say what?  I don't understand what you mean by "delimiter".

CA>You might also explain whether and why Western astrology is the one True the
CA>or whether all forms of astrology throughout the world are equally valid eve
CA>though they largely contradict each other.

   Many astrologers, being human (alas!), like to believe that their
   approach or method is the best or only valid one. As astrology is
   very much a symbolical language (for explaining experience and
   natural cycles) there are as many approaches as there are
   astrologers.

   The birthchart can be compared to the various lenses of a camera.
   Just as you might use a different lens (or a couple) for seeing your
   subject from various angles or depths.  All the different techniques
   and charts are just different lenses astrologers apply to get see the
   the individual energies and patterns. The important thing is the
   individual, not the astrological technique.


CA>So if you have or know of evidence that natal, mundane, Horary, progressiona
CA>transitional, and midpoint astrology work as advertised, I'd be glad to hear
CA>about it so I can examine it in a fair way and we can have a "proper
CA>intellectual debate" (that's what I'm here for after all).

   Well Dave (Can I call you Casper?), I have studied astrology for over
   15 years, and I never ceased to be impressed with how closely peoples
   personality, character, and life circumstance are mirrored in the
   chart. For me, it's more than enough proof. But you have to study
   astrology to see its validity. Listening to people *opinions* on it
   will not provide proof.
---
  SLMR 2.0  ..Take my advice...I'm not using it....
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario/Detroit, MI
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: tncp9@isuvax.iastate.edu (D. Pendragon)
Subject: Re: Astrology Help vs Physic
Reply-To: tncp9@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 03:04:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.203455.17539@alliant.com>, remmey@alliant.alliant.com (Linda Remmey) writes:
>I have been informed by two physics that I have experienced a much 

(stuff deleted)

Umm.  Do you mean psychics?  ;-)


>
>Linda
>

-Chaleos
   (Pendragon)
From: casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE)
Subject: Re: Re: newspapers
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:27:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.125521.12223@rhrk.uni-kl.de>, kring@efes.physik.uni-kl.de (Thomas Kettenring) writes...
>In article <28AUG199210071010@vxcrna.cern.ch>, casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:
>>Since you refer to strong points of "the theory", could you briefly summarize
>>what those might be?  There is no replicated, non-pathological, non-anecdotal
>>evidence for the vast majority of accepted astrological conjecture.  The work
>>of the Gauquelins stands as the sole pillar of apparently reproducible fact
>						^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>upon which teeters the entire ediface of astrology.  To wit, not even
>>Gauquelin, nor anyone else, has ever validated the use of the zodiac as a
>>delimiter of any quality, trait or event.
> 
>What is "apparently reproducible"?  As far as I know, it has been tried to
>reproduce the Gauquelins' Mars effect, but it didn't show up a second time.
>Are there any Mars effect statistics I don't know about?  I want them!

If memory serves (the books are at home) the Committee PARA, working together
with the Gauquelins reproduced the effect (much to their embarrassment) and
then later in a fairly controversial epsiode, some of the people who went on
to found CSICOP did a study which also reproduced the Mars effect.  This was
controversial because (according to advocates of the effect) the investigators
added a large chunk of "less eminent" data at the end of their study which made
the effect go away.  An article by a guy named Ertel(?) in a recent (Winter?)
issue of the Skeptical Inquirer (which Thomas David Kehoe of this group was
kind enough to send me) discussed the results and showed that the strength of
the Mars effect in this study increased with the eminence of athletes.  There
was also a reply to that article in the same issue.

The CSICOPesque study generated a lot of bad feelings between the
investigators, since one of them was convinced that certain checks were not
being made properly, and that the agreed procedure was being violated, and
(depending on who you believe) went on to either expose the shoddy behavior of
his colleagues or attempt to cover-up his own malfeasance with money, time, and
authority to represent CSICOP.  The charges were exchanged in two articles
called "sTARBABY" and "CRYBABY".  sTARBABY appeared, I believe, in the
astrology magazine called Fate, while CRYBABY appeared in either SI or Zetetic
something-or-other, I can't remember. 


Dave
From: s0jrej@exnet.co.uk (James Ellis-Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Troubled Times
Keywords: possible trouble spots
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:01:08 GMT
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK

In article <26AUG199211084891@vxcrna.cern.ch> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:
>In article <BtK53w.2vC@exnet.co.uk>, s0jrej@exnet.co.uk (James Ellis-Jones) writes...
>> 
>>	I notice that the US of A has had some bad weather in the last few
>>days.  What a pity that we didn't put Troubled Times out a great deal sooner.
>>If we did we could claim that we predicted it.
>
>Of course, it could just have to do with climatic patterns too (it _is_
>hurricane season, and hurricane season happens the _same__time_ every year...
>must have something to do with the Sun, no?)
>


	Well,yes it probably has a lot to do with the fact that it is the
hurricane season. Weather patterns and astrology are both cyclical. But
the point is not that it was just a touch of bad weather,no more unusual
than hurricanes in other years. The point is that It has been the *worst*
hurricane in a hundred years or so. Coincidently we just happen to have
this stressful aspect.

	This is apparently the nature of astrology. It does not seem to
create new and completely unigue situations,rather it seems to take the
normal and routine (a breeze) and make it exceptional. Afterall, not all
children can grow up to be a Stalin or Thatcher can they  ( though you
will find any number of petty tyrants in the home,office, school or other
institution.)  The skill of astrology is working out the degree.  This
is something I have only started to practice.

	The rest of that article was interesting.I hope to do a posting
about it soon.

		Yours 
				Xavier.
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: agray@axion.bt.co.uk (Andy Gray)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Astrology programs for Unix??
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:18:17 GMT
Organization: BT Laboratories

I'm currently running Astrolog 2.25 on a mono slab (NeXTStep2.0) without any
problems. This is without any form of graphics at present as I have no X11
support for the machine. Check out the comp.sources.misc archives, volume 30 has
8 parts of the Astrolog distribution.

Andy Gray
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: stacey@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Stacey B. Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Broken cars, retrogrades, and psychic ability (?)
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:55:47 GMT
Organization: AUS

In article <BtIADC.Enz@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel) writes:
> 
> Alas.  If that were true and people could in some way watch the "psychic"
> potential then there might be proof for some of this mumb jumbo.  Don't
> hold your breath waiting.  Nothing has been found to distinguish a person
> of one sign from any other; that is unless you are a follower of astrology.
> Of course the millions of followers of the newspaper variety all have as
> much proof as the more "scientific" ones that inhabit this relm.
>   - Eric
> 
> 
I'm sure what I'm about to write has appeared here before. But I have to ask -
what would provoke a person who clearly disdains astrology to read this
newsgroup? I honestly cannot comprehend it.

If it's to try and convince the rest of us of the error of our ways, I gotta
say you're wasting your time. If it's to get a response - ANY response -
well, you've succeeded. I'm responding. If you're trying to impress us
with the magnitude of your knowledge, or the scope of your wisdom, well, again,
you're definitely wasting your time.

Somehow, the only picture I can come up with is that of a really dysfunctional
person. Or a real creep, the way Joseph Campbell describes one. 

Stacey
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE)
Subject: Re: Did Nostradamus predict the end of communism?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:02:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.145725.25287@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, stacey@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Stacey B. Martin) writes...
>> 
>Something else occurred to me after I sent the other posting on this topic.
> 
>Someone in the past week made what I consider to be one of the more ridiculous statements
>I have ever heard - something about symbols should be testable. (!?)

Wow, I'm offended.  You buy astrology and you think _this_ is the most
ridiculous thing you've ever heard.  [Note, I hate smileys, but feel free to
insert one here if it makes you feel better].

Look, the person I said that to (and what I actually said, to paraphrase, was
that even if astrology is a symbolic system, its symbols must refer to something
in the real world, so if you want to test it, forget the symbolism and instead
deal with the real objects which are being symbolized) was saying that
he had found astrology to make meaningful predictions accurately enough to
convince him of its veracity.  Of course literally in the same sentence, he
contradicted himself and said there was no way to test its accuracy, but
anyway...

So what I'm saying is, either astrology makes enough connections with reality
for a person to accept it (or reject it) based on its accuracy, or else it
is totally divorced from reality, and you accept it (or reject it) on faith
solely because you think it is a cute (ugly) abstract idea.  From listening to
people here, most of them seem to think they believe in astrology because it
has something to do with reality.  Ergo, one can and should check whether this
is indeed the case.

>The Berlin Wall was a symbol of communism to the people of the world.
>The tearing down of the Wall then became the symbol for the end of communism.

I can certainly accept that.  But it didn't happen in June 1991.  And it didn't
mark the end of communism in the Soviet Union.

>And, no, it's not testable. But that doesn't make it invalid or untrue.

Or valid or true.


Dave
From: h570@uk.ac.uea (Natalija Stevens)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: books & ephemer.
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:17:26 GMT
Organization: School of Maths, University of East Anglia
X-Xxdate: Thu, 27 Aug 92 15:17:51 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7

I moved to England recently, and I would like to know any possible
address where I can order books and ephemr.;don't need anything for 
beginers.      Thanks! Nata
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: s0jrej@exnet.co.uk (James Ellis-Jones)
Subject: Troubled Times
Keywords: Mid-points
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:21:23 GMT

Heads up folks.
Mars perfects a square to Jupiter at 5 47 am (BST) on the 27th of this month.
Not that interesting but Jupiter is within 20 minutes of Denebola.A fixed star
associated with major catastrophes. The Titanic for example.Hitler for another.

There are going to be several 'sensitive' moments in the day when certain 
degrees go angular.(i.e. ascend,descend,go into the 10th house or the 4th
house)

These degrees are 5 degrees 57 minutes of all the fixed signs with 5.57
degrees of Leo being *quite* explosive.

Also the 20 degrees 57 minutes of all the mutable signs are going to be 
sensitive.Especialy when merciful fatso ascends.(jupiter by any other name)

These degrees (give or take one or two) are going to be sensitive for several
days so be careful out there.

Oh yes.The moon aspects these as well so we are looking at a posible mass
killing of some sort. 

		By the way I am not James Ellis-Jones but His MAD and
incredibly brainy flatmate Xavier.

Goodnight and thank you.
From: "Vinay K. Kansal" <kansal@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: how to unzip astrolog.zip
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:17:20 GMT


The subject says it all. Could someone tell me how to unzip astrolog.zip
I ftp'ed ir from hilbert... and downloaded it to my PC - binary transfer
both times. PKUNZIP is unable to unzip this file. I tried fixing it 
using PKZIPFIX. but this also did not help me.

thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: mt@space.mit.edu (Mary Terhune)
Subject: Re: Pluto transits Sun
Originator: mt@gefera
Reply-To: mt@space.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Center for Space Research
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:20:55 GMT

What does it mean when your
Sun is transited by Pluto?

Novice
From: kap@eng.cam.ac.uk (Kevin A. Price)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Sidereal and Tropical Time Systems
Date: 3 Sep 92 10:33:54 GMT
Organization: cam.eng

Hi all,,,

I'm in a bit of a quandry. I've been using AstroLog for a few weeks and it
tells me that my Sun is in Capricorn, when using the default Tropical system. 
But, when using the Sidereal option, it tells me that I'm a Sagittarian (sp?).

I'm trying to find out what other Astrologer's opinions are about the 
Sidereal/Tropical time systems. Apparently Tropical is mainly used in 
the West, whereas Sidereal is used in the East, with a few Western 
astrologers using it as well.

To me, it appears that Sidereal is a tad more plausible, but, I am 
definitely a Capricorn, so Tropical seems to be the one. Can you see
the problem I'm having?

What I require of you, if you're willing to help, is an e-mail message 
to let me know what system you prefer and your own personal reasons for 
using it.

Thanks everso much in advance

Cheers

Kev :)
e-mail kap@eng.cam.ac.uk
From: burgoyne@access.digex.com (J. Robert Burgoyne)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Biorhythms
Summary: Anyone interested?
Keywords: biorhythms, people's interest and comments
Date: 31 Aug 92 04:47:29 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA

As a newcomer to this group, I am wondering how many people are interested
in biorhythms, and to what extent people use the information a biorhythm
provides.

Any and all information is welcome.

Robert Burgoyne
burgoyne@access.digex.com
From: rclarke@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: _Turing ..._
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:11:33 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Well, here I go again jumping into another disscusion, probably about to
get flamed to pieces.  By the way people have complained about my cutting
of others posts so I'm keeping this whole
In article <1992Sep3.145732.26480@inesc.pt>, usenet@inesc.pt (USENET News System) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug28.151754.16221@inesc.pt>
>>usenet@inesc.pt (USENET News System) writes:
>>> In article <1992Aug28.040259.2038@leela.cs.orst.edu> mcbeeb@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Brian Mcbee) writes:
>>> [...]
>>> >In general, there are more people living in prosperity and freedom than there
> 
>>Several hundred years ago people were forced to build large forts
>>around their cities/homes to protect themselves from others with
>>castles who wanted to kill them and steal their possetions. Around the
>>previously mentioned fortifications hundreds of people huddles around
>>in their houses made of mud, straw, and manure. Families needed to have
>>lots (say, 5 or so) kids in order to continue their bloodline. Hardly
>>anyone could read. Famine and epidemics were rampent, and no one had
>>medical care.
>>This was how the most wealthy cultures lived.
> 
>>Today, this more describes the least well-off cultures.
> 
>>I think Mr. Mcbee has a point.
> 
> 	well, ok, ok. I got a bit carried away. All I wanted to say is that one
> cannot simply say that "there are more people living in prosperity and freedom"
> , because info is beeing omited. One must also remember that probably there
> are more people living without prosperity and freedom than ever. And one must
> also remember things that exist nowadays and didn't exist in other ages, like
> neonazism, Yugoslavia, Somalia, East-Timor, destruction of the environment, 
> polution, etc. 
> 	Just keep this is mind...
We are most definetly better off than we were in the Middle Ages but people
do have this rather doomy feel of life today.  I think it stems from the fact
that the hippies started to grow up and had a mid life crises realising that
the sixties didn't do all they wanted and some how it rubbed off on to other
people but the energy of the sixtys didn't so people are just giving up so 
things do look bleak for the future.
> 
> 
> ----
>  joao Pedro Martins, Lisboa, Portugal - jota@tutor.UUCP
>  
>  "Carpe Diem, she muttered... we seize the day.	
>   Well, sometimes, the day seizes back !" (Psychodrome) 
--
Ethan Clarke
---
Rclarke@AC.DAL.CA
From: ron@zooid.guild.org (Secret Mud)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: C-punk and etc. (Anarchy!)
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:55:33 GMT

From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
>
>Very funny.  Some of us don't think anarchy means chaos or the abolition of
>voluntary cooperation.
>-- 
>D Anton Sherwood *\\* dasher@well.sf.ca.us *\\* +1 415 664 2229
>Libertarian candidate for California Assembly, 12th district

Yes, but most of you live in California.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk