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From: jsw@eembox.ncku.edu.tw (Master Jyh-Shi Wu (82.9))
Subject: More about Causality
Organization: National Cheng-Kung University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 12:44:42 GMT


   After read the answers of Mr. Birman, here's a lot more questions of
causality in isis:

   1) As I know, isis v2.1 multicast ordering is arranged in the unit of UNIX
      processes (i.e. heavyweight), Is lightweight mulitcast ordering (i.e.
      in the unit of "tasks") implemented in v2.2.7 ?

   2) There are still little documents in bypass modes of isis [a|g|c]bcast(
      "B",...) . It's very glad to know that causal abcast is implemented
      in bypass mode. But, what's the difference in the bypass mode of 
      abcast, cbcast and gbcast? 
      what's the essence of "bypass mode" (more than speedup in delivery,
      what I concerned is ordering)

      if the bypass mode of abcast is done by cbcasts, then, is "bypassed
      abcast" can show causality when used in conjugated with cbcasts?

      If abcast & gbcast are causal within a group, what's the difference
      in abcast and "bypass abcast" when used within a group?, and bypass
      cbcast & ordinary cbcast, gbcast...?

      I think, when specifying "Bypass" mode in [a|c|g]bcast(), isis would
      perform bypass mode if situations allows that ( example: multicast
      within a group), if don't specify bypass mode, isis would "sure to"
      use the old protocol. Is there any possibility that isis "automatically"
      turns to bypass mode when user don't specify that?

   3) A causality case:
      consider 3 proesses (p1, p2, p3), first, p1 send msg A to p2, then
      send msg B to p3 after A is sent, and, after p2 receives A, p2 send
      msg C to p3. All three processes start from initial state (i.e. start
      from vector time [0,0,0])

      obviously C and B would be delayed in cbcast queue of p3, but, what would
      be the correct sequence if they are finally delivered?

      if, considering "causality" as the extension of FIFO, B should be
      delivered before C. (just consider "p1 and p3" pair) 
      if, comparing the vector timestamp of B & C by cbcast protocol, B
      should precede C too.

      But, if we check the "happened before" chain, we would see A -> B
      and A -> C, then, a question arises: it's hard to decide the "happ-
      ened before" relation between B and C, then, how can we say B should
      be delivered before C? what's the correct answer of the causal delivery
      of B & C?  

Sorry for my tedious sentences, but I think, those are all important concepts
which I cannot find in documents.

Next time I would ask some technical , programming questions. If there's any
programming template of spooling (as checkpoints) please post it (that may
reduce my qty of problems in next posting) Thanks!

Jyh-Shi Wu
From: cstadbg@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr M J Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: WILDCARD OWNERS ---  HELP!!!
Date: 31 Dec 92 14:00:56 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk


Does anybody own a WILDCARD made by ELITE (I think) ... it is a card which
allows you to grab a program in memory and dump it to disk.. I have one of
these and the s/ware, but it doesnt work. When you press the little button
to dump the memory off, you just crash the computer. Recentley I found out
why it doesnt work .... the EPROM on board is a BLANK!!! ... What I need is
either a) .. someone who could unsocket the EPROM and send it to me so I can
copy it and return it (I have a programmer) or b) someone who will copy it
for me and send me the copy. If anyone can help, I would appreciate it!

Thanks

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From: jimmys@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Jimmy Shaw)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Interplay
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:34:27 GMT
Reply-To: jimmys@ics.uci.edu (Jimmy Shaw)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.

In article <1992Dec28.205838.14504@utkux1.utk.edu> sadasiva@utkvx3.utk.edu (Sadasivam, Krishna Madur) writes:
>Are there any other IIgs programs to be released by Interplay, besides OOTW
>(which I'm still playing!)?? I think that OOTW has got to be the BEST game I've
>played on my IIgs, and that a sequel of some sort should be in the offing!!

I'll forward your message/question to BurgerBill himself :-)  He is on
a networked Apple II BBS that started in Los Angeles.  I was hoping
BattleChess II would be ported, but a lot depends on the sale of OOTW.
>
>Oh, and here's some totally unrelated information. The Transformers are being
>revived...a new cartoon mini-series is in the works, along with new toy
>figures. Just thought I'd share that.
>
Following up on your "totally unrelated information":  Cool!  I used to
love the Transformers, that is, until all the stupid characters started
to appear, and they started to make plastic toys, instead of the nice
metal die-cast ones :(  Everything after the DinoBots pretty much sucked.
(Yeah, I know, further discussions should be moved to alt.fan.transformers.)
>
>Krish
>
>

Jimmy


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Jimmy Shaw		      RamFAST, ZipGSX and 6.0... Apple II Forever!
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From: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: WANTED: Your original 65816
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 23:53:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.035940.15445@blkbox> jdb8042@blkbox (John D. Baker) writes:
> I know exactly what I'm talking about.  I've seen a 65816-4 (took the cover
> off a IIgs and looked because I was skeptical to begin with) and it was
> most definitely a 40-pin DIP (later models of IIgs may have used one that
> came in a different package and I can't really vouch for what the acclerator
> boards use) and while some pins have been re-assigned, those are
> are not connected in the //e anyway.

All IIgses have 40-pin DIP 65816s.  The ZIP uses a PLCC 65816 (square
pack) which has 44 pins.  The 4 additional pins are power and ground.

The 65816 _might_ work in a IIe, but doing so is a very bad idea.  The
pinout differences are as follows:

Pin  65802/65C02/6502      65816
 1   Ground (input)        Vector Pull (output)
 3   Phase 1 out           Abort (input)
 5   No Connection         Memory Lock (output)
 7   SYNC (output)         Valid Program Address (output)
35   No Connection         Emulation mode (output)
36   No Connection         Bus Enable (input)
38   Set Overflow (input)  M/X indication (output)
39   Phase 2 out           Valid Data Address (output)

Apart from these pins, the 65816 outputs the bank address on the data
bus during the first half of the CPU cycle.

First note that pin 1 is a ground line on the 6502 and an output 
on the 65816.  It is not good for the chip to connect one of its
outputs to a ground.  At the very least, it will increase the power
consumption of the CPU.  At worst, it could eventually damage the chip.

Next note that the Abort and Bus Enable pins will float, since they
are not connected to anything in a IIe.
Having floating values on these pins will cause random behaviour.

It appears that the IIe doesn't use the 6502 clock outputs.

The bank address output by the 65816 would interfere with video
accesses to the RAM.


All in all, it is a bad idea to try to use a 65816 in place of a 6502.
Get a 65802 instead.  They were designed as a pin-for-pin replacement,
and they are reasonably cheap.

A 65802 will not allow you to address more memory.  All it gives you
is the ability to use 16-bit CPU registers when running in 'native'
mode.  A 65802 will not run any faster than a standard 6502.  You
should be able to put a 65802 into a TransWarp IIe, but there is no
'65802 ZIP Chip'.

There are very few programs that take advantage of a 65802 in a IIe.
The only one that comes to mind is Merlin 16 (the assembler) which will
run in a IIe with a 65802, or in a IIgs.  It is a lot faster and more
powerful than Merlin 8.  Note: I'm NOT talking about Merlin 16+, which
requires a IIgs and GS/OS.  All three assemblers come in the same package.

You can, of course, write your own programs to take advantage of a 65802.
-- 
David Empson

Internet: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz    EMPSON_D@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Snail mail: P.O. Box 27-103, Wellington, New Zealand
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Fatal Error 0911
From: csokolo@eis.calstate.edu (Christopher Sokolov)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:08:35 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

I solved the problem of getting this error by getting a fan.  I would not
recommend giving your computer a "whack" in any circumstances.

I think an answer to this question ought to be in the FAQ..


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From: jlinton@pro-scat.cts.com (Jeremy Linton)
Subject: Re: Comments Anyone?
Organization: ProLine [pro-scat] St. Petersburg, Florida.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 00:21:33 EST

>2) My next machine WILL be a 486, or if I am lucky, a Sun. I will
>never purchase a Mac and any recommendations I make to friends will
>have a definite bias towards PC's. This is based not only in my anger
>at what Apple Co did to the II, but in a firm belief that PC's ARE
>better than Macs.
        This is my attitude and quite a few other apple users feelings. I
have over time watched previous apple owners skip over and buy ms dos
machines instead of putting themselves on the line with a mac. And as far
as the comparison between the machines hardware.. The dos machine has now
far surpassed the mac. With the doubler tecnology allowing 66mhz machines
and the 40,59 mhz non dx2 machines the 486 with it's reduced instruction
timing and floating point instructions have blew the 68xxx series out of
the water in comparison. Video on the pc is just as good with cheap cards
like the diamond speedstar 24 and boca xvga that are
"coprocessed / accelerated" supporting 16.4 million colors (24 bit) and
resolutions up to 1280,1024 all for around $100 to $160. Sound cards for
$100 to $200 that support every thing from 44.1 mono to 88.2 mono and 22khz
sterio to 44.1 sterio. So to say it in fewer words it is possible to buy a
machine for $2000 that far out preforms the top of the line macs. 
        The big line about the macs being so easy to use is pure BS!! error
messages that display 16 bit error codes sure seem "friendly" compartivly
to descriptive error messages. If you were to go cold turkey on a mac do
you think you would be able to change your printer from a imagewriter to a
laserwriter? How about if your hd crashes and you want to retrieve all your
data... 2 or 3 flips of a floppy to boot and then about 40 to get norton
up.
        A teacher who admits being just about computer iliterate said that
he thinks the apple ][ is so much simpler to use because he selects the
program he wishes to run from his diskbox puts it in the drive and turns
the computer on. From there on it prompts him with english phrases like
"press 1 to print document.. 2 to save document to disk .. 3 retrieve
document from disk." Where is on the mac he has to know to move the mouse
over to a little square on the screen press the button twice scroll through
thousands of little pictures that mean nothing and then find the one he
wants and press the button twice , and it doesn't help when it's titled
works and has a picture of a W!

                                Jlinton
From: RPG118@URIACC.URI.EDU (Sean Dunstan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Apple //e owner needs help!
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:09:07 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Howdy.  I've been lurking here for a while, and I have a few questions.

1)  I've never really put too much work or money into my system (all I have
is a 5.25 disc drive, a dot matrix printer, monochrome monitor, and a 128k
card.  You know, the basic bare bones system.)  Are there any places that
sell peripherals (pref. a modem and another drive) at low or used cost?

B. Are there any Apple users groups in the RI area?

iii. Are there any //e ftp sites anywhere?

Thanks in advance.

          Matrix
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: dsdd@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Roy Barrett)
Subject: Uh oh! Zip Cache is messed.
Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:49:45 GMT


Uh-oh.. I've installed my 64k SRAM Cache, and my Zip Control Panel and
Zippy have both said that I only have 8k... What's up here?
From: kmccorm@access.digex.com (Kevin McCormick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: GS Built-in Modem port problems
Date: 31 Dec 1992 18:19:05 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <2B42E904.6316@ics.uci.edu> jimmys@ics.uci.edu (Jimmy Shaw) writes:
>Recently I've discovered that my SupraFaxModem's TR (Terminal
>readly) LED no longer lights up when turned on.  After some
>investigation, I came to the conclusion that neither the modem
>or the flow-control modem cable is at fault.  I then plugged the
>modem into the Printer port, and sure enough, the TR light came
>back on.  I've ran the IIgs Diagnostic v3.0 tests for the
>serial ports, and it reported "Serial Crystal Test Failed," and
>I should consult the Apple Technical repair manual.
>
>My question is:  Is this Serial Crystal something I can replace
>myself?  I've looked in the Apple IIgs Hardware Reference, but
>was unable to located this Serial Crystal.  There is, however, a
>crystal to the right of the Memory Expansion slow (looking at
>the ROM 1 256K mother board from the front end) that's labled
>3.xxx Mhz.  Is this it?  I would hate to go in and have them tell me

[etc...]

I checked in my Apple IIgs Technical Reference and there is a 3.6864 MHz
crystal attached to the serial chip.  If the crystal's broken, you can easily
buy a new one.  But if it's a bad trace on the board, you can probably jumper
the crystal's leads to the proper points on the chip.  In the case of a bad
trace, wiggling the crystal probably would help it.  Check in a Tech Ref to
find out how the crystal is wired so you can jumper it, if necessary.  Oh -
and don't confuse the 3.6864 MHz crystal with the 32.768 kHz crystal for the
clock, or the 3.579545 MHz (if there is one) crystal for the composite video.

Good luck.
-- 
Kevin McCormick                           | "The more we try to control, the
kmccorm@access.digex.com                  |  less we are really in control."
IRC: Xenophon                             |        - Robert J. Oppenheimer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: meekins@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu (Tim Meekins)
Subject: Re: archived files with .F suffix?
Keywords: .F archive
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 00:29:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.204658.22794@cs.UAlberta.CA> glyn@cs.UAlberta.CA (Reade Glyn Devin) writes:
>Does anyone know what file compression program (apple //) uses
>the .F suffix?  I don't have it in my FAQ.
>
>Where is the program available (preferably by ftp)?
>
>Thanks.


.F is the suffix used by Freeze. Mike Horwath has ported it to work under
GNO, but I have never seen a version that works on a //.

TIM MEEKINS                    Ask me about GNO/ME! - MultiTasking on a IIGS!
meekins@cis.ohio-state.edu     Procyon, Inc., 11738 Aqueduct Drive
AOL: GNO Tim2 (@aol.com)       Littleton, CO 80127   (303) 933-4649
                          
      "Computers aren't intelligent, they just think they are."
From: flowney@GC3.GAC.PEACHNET.EDU (Frank Lowney, Frank Lowney)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: problems w/comp.sys.apple2
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:15:53 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

I am experiencing some difficulties with this list/newsgroup as follows:

(1) I get 50+ msgs/day from this list which would be better appreciated if
most of them were not duplicates of earlier posts.  The exact same msg
(even to posting date) will appear in my mailbox 3,4 even 5 times.  My mail
is checked every 59 minutes and often 3-4 of these duplicates appear
together.  Is there an echo in here?  Judging from the headers perhaps,
literally, there is.  So what, if anything can be done about it?  Is there
not a daemon that can ferret these dupes out and zap the redundancy?

(2) I have tried on several occasions to reply to A2 questions using the
address in the signature (the header addresses rarely work because of all
the "bangs" (!)) only to have the mail bounced 87% of the time.  I'd like
to share what little I know but this is frustrating to the point where I
think thrice before going to the trouble of responding to a question.

(3) The quality of messages here has deteriorated to the point where I
rarely read any msg that doesn't really grab me with the subject header. 
The others I delete wholesale w/o reading them.  I am particularly put off
by the personal attacks that have increased in frequency and pitch lately. 
These folks need to seek out a counseling forum and learn how to deal with
their anger and immaturity, this is not the place for it.

(4) The whining about Apple, Inc. policies is a real "downer" and seems not
to serve any worthwhile purpose.  I picture a little man with a little
moustash like 8-* exhorting us all to don brown shirts, march on Apple's
Cupertino offices, drag Skully into the streets and dismember him.  This is
not good four our collective mental health.

I remember how my dad and I felt when Chrysler decided not to produce any
more DeSotos.  We had a 1947 black four-door.  We felt betrayed, fearful of
not being able to continue driving it, and somehow disconfirmed in our
choice of equipment.  Nonetheless, we drove that orphaned car until the
body rusted through and enjoyed it just as much, and perhaps more, as if
there had been a new DeSoto introduced every year.

Let's light the candle of helping each other get the most out of our Apple
II computers instead of cursing the darkness.  
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The Regional Teacher Education Center at Georgia College
231 W. Hancock St., Milledgeville, GA  (912) 453-5121
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From: ltchean@rambutan.iss.nus.sg (Lim Thye Chean)
Subject: Re: Fatal Error 0911
Reply-To: ltchean@iss.nus.sg (Lim Thye Chean)
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 01:56:28 GMT

In article <19094@mindlink.bc.ca> Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher) writes:
>re: Fatal Error 911
>
>I used to get this whenever I had used the computer for more than 45 minutes
>or so and then hit oa-ctrl-reset. I would then have to turn the computer off
>for a few minutes or it'd do the same things as soon as I hit oa-ctrl-reset
>again.

I get it anytime.

>Solution: I bought a system saver GS and have NEVER experienced the problem
>again, and gained a decent powerbar/surge protector.. I think the problem was
>that it was overheating though all I had in it was a printer card.

I have a system saver GS, and it happens. I don't know whether it will 
happen without the system saver (because I bought the GS completed with
system saver).

And it happens most especially in cold days. I think the problem was that
it was UNDERheating though I has Zip/OctoRAM/Sound card installed.

>--
>
>Clayten_Hamacher@Mindlink.bc.ca                 Land of the rising snow.


-- 
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From: tgeer@pro-gumbo.cts.com (System Administrator)
Subject: Re: Apple II Networks
Organization: Apple Gumbo BBS
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 01:09:56 CST

In <1hbipiINN1g1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
co057@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven H. Lichter) writes:

>You might ask Steve P. He calls a ProLine System in MI that is PCPable. There
>are a couple here and I believe one of them in San Diego is PCPable.

pro-cajun  Shreveport, LA  (318) 865-6579 is also PCPable.


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From: Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher)
Subject: Re: rom 1 to rom 3 upgrade
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 10:14:37 GMT

There were 4 types of ROM... rom 0...This didn't give a version number at
boot.
rom1-3 these identified themselves. ROM 2 is rare, I'm not sure it was ever
released. ROM 3 has a few more tools and comes with 1meg standard on the
board.

That should give you enough info to tell which one yours is.

--

Clayten_Hamacher@Mindlink.bc.ca                 Land of the rising snow.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: lecates@bach.udel.edu (Roy LeCates)
Subject: InnerDrive to a Mac? (CLARIFICATION)
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:46:14 GMT

In article <C03oJL.4w@news.udel.edu> I wrote:
>I have an InnerDrive 100 which is not being used (I already
>have a Vulcan).  I tried connecting it to a Mac but ran into
>problems.  No software would format the drive.  I've tried
>MANY, MANY utilities including Silver Lining and others.

I purchased the drive just before AI went out-of-business.
It is a SCSI drive because it worked using Apple's High
Speed SCSI card.  I tried returning the drive but AI had
gone out of business (tough luck for me, REAL tough).

For those who are interested, I wished to return the drive
because my GS would not produce ANY sound while the drive
was installed.  I tried EVERY POSSIBLE configuration, but
it was quite clear that the drive was the problem.  (I took
several hours is a very systematic method of swapping the
drive and the GS power supply to get my results.)

If anyone has had similar problems, please post them.
Many thanks to all who have replied to me already!

-Roy
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