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From: v103rz6k@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (OSMAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Hasan Cam'in FORWARD ettigi sey.....
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:31:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr13.042636.16807@vuse.vanderbilt.edu>, senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan Senel) writes...
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>Arkadaslar,
>  Duzenledigimiz guzellik yarismasina ilgi gitgide artiyor. Son sayimlara
>gore Hasan bey kardesimiz, FORWARDediverme, DogrucuAhmet, BilmemNE ve 
>Kibariyet guzellikleri alanlarinda onde gidiyor. Eger kazanirsa, kendisine 
>Ayhan Songar Bey'in yazilarindan secilerek derlenmis, FORWARD edilmeye hazir, 
>daha once FORWARD edilmemis email'lar gonderilecek. Diger yandan,
>Acur guzeli secildi. Lutfu Ikiz kardesimiz bir kasa Acur kazandi.
> 
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>Lutfu,
>  Bir kasa acur kazandiniz. Adresinizi lutfen, soc.culture.Acur netine 
>gonderiniz. Kendinize iyi bakiniz. Siz de ayaginizi sicak, basinizi 
>SERIN tutunuz. Tebrik ederiz. 
>******************************************************************************
>Hakan Kulunuz


Ben Ayhan Songar Beyfendiye NOBEL odulu verilmesini teklif ediyorum,
Forward'ci arkadas'a da bu katilimindan oturu Yardimci Nobel Forward'cisi
odulu verilmesi uygun olur kanaatindeyim.
Ancak fazla yuklenerek bu tip Forward'ci arkadaslari kizdirmayalim, ya bir daha
boyle altin'danda degerli bilgiler ulastirmazlarsa? Bildigim kadari ile
ozellikle Avrupa'da bu tip cook Forward'ci var..Biri tikanirsa digeri de 
gonderebilir,hepsi birden ayni anda kuser veya isleri filan cikarsa, o zaman
Nobetci Forward'cilar devreye girsin lutfen..

osman--->Forward'de lider.
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From: hbm@ddsw1.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: How About Saying 'Hi' Via E-Mail, 'Grinauz?'
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:27:00 GMT


<p=rj+fd.dmitry@netcom.com>
dmitry@netcom.com (Dmitry Grinauz)

>Subject: Hasanchik

Cute.

>Keywords: did he finally screw up?

You make me laugh. It is easy to say 'come,' difficult to say 'go.'

>Hey, dudes!
>Did it appear to anyone that Hasan might have finally screwed up?

Hey, 'Grinauz,' if that does happen, look out the window and
see if there is a new dictator in 'Russia?'

>Methinks hbm@ddsw1.UUCP may be his real e-mail address.  So if it
>is, what should we do?

How about saying 'hi' via mail?

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Mutluk
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:48:09 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


Kutluk Ozguven writes:


>Please discuss the 60m Turks without their country that are perhaps to be 
>united in a "Turan" together with the 100+m rest of the 



      Don't hold your breath on the TURAN idea, buddy!


>Turks, as opposed to 20m Kurds in a
>"Kurdistan". Please do not use the "but you are evil we are good - see 
>The Economist, der Spiegel, etc" arguments in doing so. 

>Also do not use the "but we are oppressed" argument, you do 
>not know what is to be *really* oppressed in the
>hands of muslim-hating, anti-Turkish, massacre-happy, chauvenisms from 
>Ivan to Stalin, from Antranik to Mao, from Sampson to Zhivkov, from Adriatic
>Sea to the Wall of China, for hundreds of years of non-Turkish rule.




      Cry, baby, cry!  You call Ivan the Terrible anti-Turkish.
      In the first place, get your facts straight.  He defeated
      and subjugated the Kazan' Tatars, who are not Turks.  I am
      probably preaching to a deaf-and-dumb audience, however, in
      light of the obvious fact that you are even taught in school
      to consider Attila the Hun a Turk!!

      Why don't you mention the 200 years of Tatar oppression of
      Russia and Ukraine, the destruction of Kiev, the massacres
      undertaken in practically every Russian city of significant
      size, the murder of 50,000 civilians in Qandahar by your
      friend Timur the Great???  What about the 500-year
      oppression of Bulgaria?  What Zhivkov the fool did pales
      in comparison with the bloodthirstiness of your ancestors!
      Finally and most importantly, no one will forget or forgive
      the cold-blooded, premeditated, unapologetic genocide of
      1.5 million Armenians!! No one!

      Next time you decide to cry, hide behind your mother's skirts!

-- Eduard Wiener
From: guncer@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Selim E. Guncer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Crime Rates in Some Countries
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:03:22 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University

In article <1992Apr13.151258.29289@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, ahmet@eecg.toronto.edu (Ahmet Parlakbilek) writes:
> Crime Rates (out of million) in 1988:
> 
> U.S.A.        89
> Venezuella    77
> Finland       28
> Bulgaria      26
> Canada        19
> Italy         19
> Poland        18
> Sweden        12
> Greece        11
> Germany       11
> France        10
> Holland        9
> Japan          8
> Turkiye        3
> (the other countries were not listed in the table.)
> 
> Nokta 29 Mart 1992, Source: NYU, Prof. David Greenberg
> 
> It is interesting to see the 100% literate Finland having almost 10 times
> higher crime rate than Turkiye. What do you think, Jarmo?
> 
> Regards,
> Ahmet Parlakbilek 

Ahmet I don't get this. What are those numbers? What is meant by
"crime rate per million"? 




--
Selim Guncer	    Me viene, hay dias, una gana politica, de querer,
CSSER-ASU	     de basar al cari~no en sus dos rostros, y me viene  
(602)-965-4096	      de lejos un querer demonstrativo, otro querer amar, 
		       de grado o fuerza, al que me odia.. (Cesar V. )
From: ls0823@wuche1.wustl.edu (Labros Skartsis)
Subject: Re: Wishful Thinking Is Unproductive, Only Facts Count, 'Spiros.'
Organization: Washington University in St. Louis
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 14:57:12 GMT


This is a note to Radu Tomescu and Spiros Triantafillopoulos:

I see that you guys keep arguing with mutlu about the economies
of Greece and Turkey. Just in case you want to... continue, let me 
remind you that a basic point - that he hangs on - is his
favorite sentence that according to the UN Human Developed Report:

>Annual Output Per Person in Dollars Adjusted to Purchasing Power
>Parity (PPP): Turkiye and Greece  are in the same category. That
>is, $3,000 - $5,999. 
>

he must have posted this about 20 times so far, every time he "answers".

OK, dudes, please notice: "in the same category" does not mean "the same".
So don't bother answering him based on this notion. 

The UN's HDI (Human Development Index) utilizes a number of factors, 
one of which is the income adjusted for PPP that he cites. 
Now, even with this controversial PPP method, that brings the incomes
of different countries close to each other (much closer than the real
GDP), even with the huge greek "hidden" economy that is not taken into
account, THERE IS STILL A BIG DIFFERENCE - BIG FOR THE PPP STANDARDS.

Look once more at the mutlu's statement; yes, they are in the same
category: Greece had a bit more than $5500 and Turkey (correct me if I'm
wrong) around $3500. (These are 1988 economic numbers used in the UN's HDI of
1990). According to this, and OTHER factors that the HDI takes into account,
Greece was, of course, waaaaay ahead of Turkey in the ranking of nations.

Now, let's play mutlu's game with the categories; I'll use the 1990
PPP numbers (all somewhat higher), which I know very well.
The following statements are exactly correct - as was mutlu's statement:

"Annual Output per Person in dollars adjusted to Purchasing Power Parity
(PPP): Greece and West Germany are in the same category: That 
is, $6,600 - $12,599".

"Annual Output per Person in dollars adjusted to Purchasing Power Parity
(PPP): Sri Lanka and Turkey are in the same category: That
is, $2,500 - $4,499".

Notice, the ratio of the higher-to-lower bound of the "categories" I used
is somewhat SMALLER than the one mutlu cites! 

This, in case you guys want to continue playing the game with this dude

Regards,
L. Skartsis

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
From: tpd1@cec2.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David)
Subject: Turkey's aggression against Cyprus (was Re: Germany's aggression against Turkey)
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 19:48:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.161633.21190@en.ecn.purdue.edu> bse@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Besime Erin) writes:
>In article <3APR199212543441@vx.acs.umn.edu> ae01045 writes:
>>support the terrorism. I think they (German gov.) support the idea of
>                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>authonomy (or something like that) for the Kurds. And I do not like it
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>if the Germans are just compared - each time they say something somebody 
>>
>>
>>Peter
>
>People have been making anologies between the Kurds and the Turkish Cypriot
>people, although I believe that the circumstances for the two minorities
>and their reasons for their fight for self-determination is different.
>
>BUT I would like to ask you one question. 
>If the German govenment is so sympathetic to minorities and their
>sufferings and requests for autonomy, why have they not shown any
>sympathy to the TURKISH Cypriots who have suffered for years under the
>Greek Cypriot rule? Why is the German government failing to REALIZE AND
>UNDERSTAND THE CASE OF TURKISH CYPRIOTS ? Why ? 
>
1. The Turkish Cypriots were not under the Greek Cypriot rule, as they had
   30% of the government (although only 18% of the population).
2. Inverse the case and you 'll see the answer. Turkey invaded Cyprus in 
   1974 (yes there were treaties) , but still illegaly occupies 40% of the
   country, with the excuse of 'protecting the Turkish minority' from the
   'blood-thirsty Greeks' (who do you think you are kidding?), and demands
   for their self-determination.
   Now the point is: This same country officially suppress her own minorities -
   in this case the Kurds (20%+ of the population) and does not want to give
   them self-determination.
   And I ask you: Why the hypocrisy and the double standards?
 
>NOTE : This is not meant to be a flame (esp. to you personally). 
>       I realized this and wanted to point it out to the netters.  
>
>Besime Erin
I consider these discusions as a great opportunity to see other people's views
and not as flames. I think by now you should have understood that.

Regards, Theodore.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: ahmet@eecg.toronto.edu (Ahmet Parlakbilek)
Subject: Re: Crime Rates in Some Countries
Organization: University of Toronto
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:54:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.210322.15876@ennews.eas.asu.edu> guncer@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Selim E. Guncer) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.151258.29289@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, ahmet@eecg.toronto.edu (Ahmet Parlakbilek) writes:
[my posting dleted]
>
>Ahmet I don't get this. What are those numbers? What is meant by
>"crime rate per million"? 

Sorry, Selim, I just posted the table, not the article; naturally it might seem
meaningless. By "crime rate per million", "the number of victims of criminal
acts" / "population of country (in millions)" is meant. I am not sure, what 
is accepted as "crime"; I don't have the magazine here to check it right now.

My idea was not to provide a detailed comparative study of crime. I just
saw this table while browsing the magazine and posted as it is.. As I said, 
it is interesting to see some developed, civilized, literate countries in 
the first places.

Actually it would be interesting to see more thorough statistics about
crimes. For example, I would like to compare crime in Islamic countries, 
Europe, Scandinavia, South America, x-Communist regimes etc... but the
spring finally came and I am too lazy to visit the library :-) 

>Selim Guncer	    Me viene, hay dias, una gana politica, de querer,

Regards,
Ahmet Parlakbilek 
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: ...Town No Longer Existed, Except As A Pile Of Ruins, 'Gav*.'
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:31:00 GMT



<22040622042027@WISCMACC.BitNet>
UCNICK@UMUC.BitNet (Nick Gavrielatos)

>Reporting from mutlupolis,
>/* You are a liar mutlu-malak, you are one big allah-damn liar      */

If you prefer to imagine that 'Appressian' was trying to mislead his
readers, be my guest, 'Gav*0.'

Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1928). (305 pages). 

p. 133 (first paragraph)

"In this movement we took with us three thousand Turkish soldiers who
 had been captured by the Russians and left on our hands when the Russians
 abandoned the struggle. During our retreat to Karaklis two thousand of
 these poor devils were cruelly put to death. I was sickened by the
 brutality displayed, but could not make any effective protest. Some,
 mercifully, were shot. Many of them were burned to death. The method
 employed was to put a quantity of straw into a hut, and then after
 crowding the hut with Turks, set fire to the straw."

p. 19 (first paragraph)

"The Tartar section of the town no longer existed, except as a pile of
 ruins. It had been destroyed and its inhabitants slaughtered. The same fate
 befell the Tartar section of Khankandi."

              (to be continued...)

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: On The Eve Of 77th Anniversary Commemoration, 'perlman eric,'...
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:28:00 GMT


<1992Apr10.234346.25241@colorado.edu>
perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (perlman eric)

>I received the following from Ilan Woll about a week ago, and he has
>asked me to post it to the net.  Its content?  For the humor-impaired,
>it's a satire of the posting style and content of Hasan B-) Mutlu, no
>doubt one of the most bombastic posters of recent memory.  It is a
>satire with which I fully agree.   

I guess I cannot stop you; nor shall 'you' stop 'me' from exposing 
the genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds by the Armenians between 
1914 and 1920. 

During the years of World War I, the Armenian dictators have planned
and perpetrated the genocide of the Turkish people, which not only took 
the lives of 2.5 million Muslims, but was also the method used to empty
the Turkish homeland of its inhabitants. To this day, Turkish historic
lands remain occupied by the Armenian government. In order to cover up 
the fact of its usurpation of the historic Turkish homeland, which is the
crux of Turkish political demands, x-Soviet Armenia continues its 
anti-Turkish policy in the following ways:

1. x-Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide
in order to shift international public opinion away from its political
responsibility.

2. x-Soviet Armenia, employing pseudo-scholars, ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism
and Revisionism Triangle, and terrorists attempts to call into question 
the veracity of the Turkish Genocide.

3. x-Soviet Armenia has also implemented state-sponsored terrorism through
the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle in an attempt to 
silence the Turkish people's vehement demands and protests.

4. Using all its human, financial, and governmental resources, x-Soviet
Armenia and its tools in the United States attempt to silence through
terrorism, bribery and other subversive methods, non-Turkish supporters
of the Turkish cause, be they political, governmental and humanitarian.

Using all the aforementioned methods, the x-Soviet Armenian government 
is attempting to neutralize the international diplomatic community from
making the Turkish Case a contemporary issue.

Yet despite the efforts of the x-Soviet Armenian government and its terrorist
and revisionist organizations, in the last decades, thanks to the struggle 
of those whose closest ones were systematically exterminated by the Armenians,
the international wall of silence on this issue has begun to collapse, and 
consequently a number of governments and organizations have become 
supportive of the recognition of the Turkish Genocide.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
From: bilgic@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Murat Bilgic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Tidbits of information from Hurriyet
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:55:48 GMT
Reply-To: bilgic@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Murat Bilgic)
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Hi there,

After seeing so many articles full of blood and horror stories, and seeing
Turkey being painted in every possible ("the best/worst/fascist/nationalist/
apartheidist(?)/heaven on earth/etc.") way, I decided to post a couple of less
dramatic things from yesterday's Hurriyet. They are not your typical Turkish 
news, but they may help some people to realize that Turkey is not only 
problems with Greece, Cyprus, Armenia, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Germany and all
the other incumbents. We do have a life too! Forgive my translations, I
started learning English just 20 years ago.(=


Tidbits from Hurriyet :

- The first woman bus driver in Ankara is going to start her job in two weeks.

- Izmir Konak Rotarian women want the government to make the HIV test 
  mandatory for the people getting married.

- Turkish Airlines started flying to Nice, as its 49th foreign destination.

- Preservation of National Life Society's publication "Kelaynak" reported that
  beaches in Turkey are being lost due to the fast shore degradation.

- Silk scarf production and silk scarves are presented in the VAKKO exhibition 
  "Kozadan Modaya" opened in the Beyoglu Art Gallery. Silk scarves are priced
  between $28 and $108 in the exhibition.

- It's been five years since Turkey applied for the full membership to EC.

- Two members of the parliament fell from the roof. Ahmet Kucukel (DYP) and
  Ulku Guney (ANAP) fell from the roof of Guney's summer house in Antalya
  while vacationing. Both MPs were transported by helicopter to Ankara and 
  are now in hospital.

- 6000 textile workers are getting ready for the biggest strike of the year
  in Bursa.

- Something for the Cimbom fans : Yusuf was seen in a night club in Ankara 
  after the game with Trabzonspor. GS fans protested this by calling Hurriyet.
  Apparently the poor guy left the game after just 15 minutes due to an
  injury, and fans accused him for spending his energy in the night club 
  instead of on the football field.

- Turkey beat Scotland 4-0 in the 18th European Table Tennis Championships in
  Germany.
  
- Turkey lost to Portugal 0-3 in the Federation Tennis Tournament in Greece.

- and many others.

Murat Bilgic
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: ahmet@eecg.toronto.edu (Ahmet Parlakbilek)
Subject: Re: Turkish & Turkic (was Re: Macedonia (definition of name))
Organization: University of Toronto
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:39:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr07.155745.14017@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
>
>Lots of info about Turkic peoples deleted.
>
>Does Kutluk Ozguven know the difference between Turkish and Turkic.
>I could post similar information about the Indoeuropeans, but so what?

Would you care to enlighten us by telling the difference between Turkish,
Turkic, Turcoman, Turan and Altaic?

I am particularly interested in your analogy between "Turkic->Turkish"
and "Indo-European->??".

Thanks in advance Caroutas,

>Constantinos A. Caroutas

Regards,
Ahmet Parlakbilek
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat  Dogan)
Subject: Dunya'da Turkiye -telefon- (Rakamlarla Turkiye)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:18:58 GMT

 
devam- Dunya'da Turkiye
 
Telefon abone sayisi:
 
 
Sayi   Yil    1950   1955   1960    1965    1970    1975    1980    1985  1990
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Dunya   70.6    101    140     195     273     380     508     591   700
Telefon(mil.)
      Turkiye 0.06    0.1    0.2     0.3     0.4     0.7     1.2     3.0   7.2
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
* 1950 yilinda dunyada 70.6 milyon telefon varken,bizde sadece 60,000 adet idi.
  Yani dunya'da ki sayinin ancak % 0.084 'ne sahiptik.
 
* 1975 yilinda; Turkiye, dunya'da ki telefon sayinin % 0.18'ne sahip olmustur.
 
* 1990 yilinda ise Turkiye'nin telefon abone sayisi 7.2 milyona cikmistir.
  Bu sayi Dunya'da 700 milyon olmustur. Ve ulkemizin dunyada ki payi ise
  % 1'e cikmistir.
 
* 1950 yilinda Dunya'da her 35 kisiye bir telefon duserken,Turkiye'de 348 
  kisiye bir telefon dusmekte idi.
 
* 1975 yilinda Dunya'da her 10.7 kisiye bir, Turkiye'de ise her 57 kisiye bir
  telefon dusmekteydi.
 
* 1990 yilinda ise Dunya'da her 7.4 kisiye bir telefon duserken, ulkemizde 7.9 
  kisiye bir telefon dusmektedir. 
    
---
 Not: Yeni acilan/cak santrallarla 1992 yilinda dunya ortalamasi gecilecektir.
 
 
 Not: April 12,1992, the Ney York Times'tan bir haber basligi:
      "Turkey is to Broadcast to 6 Ex-Soviet Lands" 
 
 
Saygilarimla,
ismet
 
            Dunyada hersey icin, medeniyet icin, hayat icin, muvaffakiyet 
            icin, en hakiki mursit ilimdir, fendir. Ilim ve fennin haricinde
            mursit aramak gaflettir, cehalettir, delalettir.
 
                                                        Mustafa Kemal, 1924
 
 
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