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From: echeverr@scf.usc.edu (5150)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.kibo,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Faq?
Date: 19 Nov 1992 17:46:24 -0800
Organization: <censored>
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov19.025743.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu> cvafy006@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes:
>   I was just scanning the articles and noticed the FAQ terminology.  This
>also turned up as a popular abbreviation along with IMO and IMHO.  Now, if
>you'll pardon my ignorance and humor me...what do FAQ, IMHO, and IMO mean?

FAQ:  Forfeit All Quatloos (to the government, or in this case, to either
				Kibo or me)

IMO:  Inert Money Options (S&Ls, betting on the New England Patriots, etc.)

IMHO:  Implausible Moronic Home Options (living in San Bernardino, Newark, etc)


5150
quite welcome
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From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: Faq?
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:52:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.132247.10736@math.ucla.edu> sherman@wilshire.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat) writes:
>"... from franking machines, limricked, that in the end it may well turn
>out, we hear to be you, our belated, who will bear these open letter. 
>Speak to us of Emailia."
>
>-_FW_, p. 410, lines 20 - 23
>
>Kibo appears several times in the book.  My favorites are:
>
>"We'd be bundukiboi meet askarigal" (201.24-25)
>"his same marmorial tallowscoop Sophy-Key-Po" (9.33-34)
>"Come, thrust!  Go, parry!" (252.04) 
>
>Joyce knows all.  You're just jealous 'cause you don't get invited to
>parties where Joyce Charades get played.

"Across the page the symbols moved in grave morrice, in the mummery of
their letters, wearing quaint caps of squares and cubes.  Give hands,
traverse, bow to partner: so: imps of fancy of the Moors.  Gone too from
the world, Averroes and Moses Maimonides, dark men in mien and
movement, flashing in their mocking mirrors the obscure soul of the
world, a darkness shining in brightness which brightness could not
comprehend."  -- _Ulysses_
							-- K.

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Subject: Re: Faq?
From: cvafy006@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:57:43 PST
Distribution: usa
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvafy006

In article <BxsoBH.6qv@world.std.com>, kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
> In article <1992Nov15.132247.10736@math.ucla.edu> sherman@wilshire.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat) writes:
>>"... from franking machines, limricked, that in the end it may well turn
>>out, we hear to be you, our belated, who will bear these open letter. 
>>Speak to us of Emailia."
>>
>>-_FW_, p. 410, lines 20 - 23
>>
>>Kibo appears several times in the book.  My favorites are:
>>
>>"We'd be bundukiboi meet askarigal" (201.24-25)
>>"his same marmorial tallowscoop Sophy-Key-Po" (9.33-34)
>>"Come, thrust!  Go, parry!" (252.04) 
>>
>>Joyce knows all.  You're just jealous 'cause you don't get invited to
>>parties where Joyce Charades get played.
> 
> "Across the page the symbols moved in grave morrice, in the mummery of
> their letters, wearing quaint caps of squares and cubes.  Give hands,
> traverse, bow to partner: so: imps of fancy of the Moors.  Gone too from
> the world, Averroes and Moses Maimonides, dark men in mien and
> movement, flashing in their mocking mirrors the obscure soul of the
> world, a darkness shining in brightness which brightness could not
> comprehend."  -- _Ulysses_
> 							-- K.
> 
   I was just scanning the articles and noticed the FAQ terminology.  This
also turned up as a popular abbreviation along with IMO and IMHO.  Now, if
you'll pardon my ignorance and humor me...what do FAQ, IMHO, and IMO mean?
From: cvafy006@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: Freshman vs. First year student:  The FINAL definiton and to end all ar
Date: 22 Nov 92 08:27:23 GMT
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvafy006

OK:  Then let's solve this battle of semantics once and for all...

     Freshman:  a first year student, usually one who thinks that he or she 
                can do whatever he/she wants to because it's "college".
                (Often is person dependent -- a "first year student" to
                one person could appear to be a "freshman" to another,
                depending on whether or not a person likes the demeanor of that
                person.

     First year student:  can be a student who just graduated from high school,
                          a transfer student from a junior college who is in
                          his/her first year at a particular school, or
                          a person who has been admitted for open university
                          enrollment (can be qualified even further to first
                          year student, first quarter(semester)

Are we understood on this issue?  I know the administrations sometimes use
"Freshman", but the administrative and social definition are separate (IMHO).
 At my university (Cal Poly, Pomona), we are numbers (ie, grade level = 1 (or 2,
etc. up to 5 = gradute student).  I hope that this ends all future arguments on
this topic.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
From: evahramian@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Freshman vs. First year student:  The FINAL definiton and to end all ar
Reply-To: evahramian@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:29:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.002723.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu>, cvafy006@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes:
>OK:  Then let's solve this battle of semantics once and for all...
>
> 
>Are we understood on this issue?  I know the administrations sometimes use
>"Freshman", but the administrative and social definition are separate (IMHO).
> At my university (Cal Poly, Pomona), we are numbers (ie, grade level = 1 (or 2,
>etc. up to 5 = gradute student).  I hope that this ends all future arguments on
>this topic.
>

Thank you God for setting us all straight.

You wouldn't happen to have a cure for cancer,
 the answers to the  Universe, or a 
good way of picking your nose in public
without anyone seeing, would you?

Pooch :-(

"I'm lost in thought,
as it is such unfamiliar territory..."

Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
From: tim@ais.org (Tim Tyler)
Subject: Skip School to see 'X'?
Organization: UMCC
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:48:27 GMT

   Spike Lee seems to think that young blacks would be better off skipping
school to go see 'X' than they would be to stay in school & learn (?) what the
(racist white) school system wants them to learn.
 
    Apparently, Spike is too busy flapping those Nubian lips to realize that
schools normally get out in the early afternoon, so kids could easily see
the movie in the evening or at night...
 
   Anyway, if Spike thinks that the system is so bad that students ought to
skip class to see the movie (*his* movie, of course), I'd like to extend
that logic & suggest the following:  Since blacks are still oppressed by
'The Man' & are therefore forced into menial, low paying jobs, it follows
that Spike should suggest that blacks get to go to theaters & see 'X'
WITHOUT PAYING!    

    Surely Spike would agree that this is only fair, even if it means he'll
loose about 60% of the gross profits.
 
    Why do you think Spike didn't suggest this?

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From: hasn@midway.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Skip School to see 'X'?
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:07:11 GMT

In article (Ron Dippold) writes:
> 
> hasn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
> >In article <BxwDGs.50t@ais.org>, tim@ais.org (Tim Tyler) writes:
> >>     Apparently, Spike is too busy flapping those Nubian lips to realize that
> >                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> >Tim, if your statement reflects what schools teach, it seems 
> >that Spike was right about the school system in the US.  Was it 
> >necessary to make that statement in a public forum?  Pretty
> >embarrassing considering its the 90s.
> 
> Only if you haven't read / heard Spike.  The "Nubian lips" comes from
> him.  He admires them.  On the other hand, this could be yet another
> one of those phrases that it's cool for blacks to say, but is
> immediate proof of incurable racism if a non-black repeats it.
> 
> 
There is a difference between saying "I really admire Nubian lips"
and "..Spike is too busy flapping those Nubian lips to realize...."
If Spike said he liked the look of men/women with Nubian lips
he was speaking of Nubian lips as a feature that he finds attractive (as
all of us find some features in people attractive....eg. dimples, big eyes etc.)
However to use an ethnically dominant physical characteristic 
as a CRITICISM of someones politics/personality is petty, uncalled for,
and by and large reflective of a pretty racist  person. This has nothing to 
do with whether blacks have more of a right to say certain things
vs whites.  On that issue, I'll say that the hundred and fifty years
of slavery and forthcoming racism that blacks have endured has
earned them that right.  Similar to the fact that I (being Pakistani)
can call Pakistanis "Pakis" whereas things can get touchy when
a British person does.  Its a question of history.  

S.H.
White men have enjoyed the privilege of affirmative action for over
two hundred years in the US.  I guess old habits are hard to break!
From: markwc@barney.esl.com (Mark Christiansen)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: Skip School to see 'X'?
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:33:07 GMT
Organization: ESL Inc., Sunnyvale, CA

In article <1992Nov19.151159.21061@midway.uchicago.edu>
hasn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
|
|In article <BxwDGs.50t@ais.org>
|tim@ais.org (Tim Tyler) writes:
|> 
|>    Spike Lee seems to think that young blacks would be better off skipping
|> school to go see 'X' than they would be to stay in school & learn (?) what the
|> (racist white) school system wants them to learn.
|>  
|>     Apparently, Spike is too busy flapping those Nubian lips to realize that
|                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
|Tim, if your statement reflects what schools teach, it seems 
|that Spike was right about the school system in the US.  Was it 
|necessary to make that statement in a public forum?  Pretty
|embarrassing considering its the 90s.

Why "considering the the 90s?"  Its pretty embarrassing, period.

Mark
-- 
   I want to reach that state of condensation of sensations which
constitute a picture.
   -- Henri Matisse
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From: hampton@ais.org (Kevin Podsiadlik)
Subject: Re: 1st year students...
Organization: UMCC
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:11:00 GMT

In article <BxsHBL.Cw9@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> sfshaw@lagrange.uwaterloo.ca (Steve (Flipper) Shaw) writes:
>ObPoliticalCorrectness: The term 'freshman' is almost never used here,
>                        the less gender-specific 'frosh' being preferred.
>
>ObInterestingPoint: 'Frosh' is generally only applied to 1A students. 

ObInterestingPointII: A local pop company has a flavor called "Frosh".
Appropriately, it is green.

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
From: tim@ais.org (Tim Tyler)
Subject: Re: Skip School to see 'X'?
Organization: UMCC
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:24:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.151159.21061@midway.uchicago.edu> hasn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <BxwDGs.50t@ais.org>, tim@ais.org (Tim Tyler) writes:
>>     Apparently, Spike is too busy flapping those Nubian lips to realize that
>                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Tim, if your statement reflects what schools teach, it seems 
>that Spike was right about the school system in the US.  Was it 
>necessary to make that statement in a public forum?  Pretty
>embarrassing considering its the 90s.
   
    I didn't mean to embarass you. What do you dislike? Spike having 'Nubian
lips,' or me mentioning Spike's 'Nubian lips.'
 
   If it is the former, I can't help you with that.  If it is the latter, I
suggest you read (or re-read) some of Spike's interviews, particularly the
ones where he discusses the fact that he would only want to date black women
because, among other reasons, they have "Nubian lips," as well as other
physical qualities he finds attractive, such as wide noses & well-endowed
booties, & discuss your problem with Spike.

    Tim


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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Skip School to see 'X'?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:30:29 GMT

hasn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article (Ron Dippold) writes:
>> Only if you haven't read / heard Spike.  The "Nubian lips" comes from
>> him.  He admires them.  On the other hand, this could be yet another
>> one of those phrases that it's cool for blacks to say, but is
>> immediate proof of incurable racism if a non-black repeats it.
>> 
>> 
>There is a difference between saying "I really admire Nubian lips"
>and "..Spike is too busy flapping those Nubian lips to realize...."
>If Spike said he liked the look of men/women with Nubian lips
>he was speaking of Nubian lips as a feature that he finds attractive (as
>[etc.]

As always, a beautiful defense of racism as long as it's minority racism.
-- 
Acid consumes 47 times its weight in excess reality.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
From: evahramian@mta.ca
Subject: Re: 1st year students...
Reply-To: evahramian@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:17:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.201335.11906@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st891054@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rand) writes:
>We at Brandeis University also have the term first year students...
>but we prefer "People of Freshdom."
>
>A fourth year student,
>David A. Kaufman

And yes, at Mount Allison University, Where?
We call the first year students - first year students.

This of course coming from the latin derivative:

firstea yearanus studentea, or in layindividuals terms,

"horses ass."


"I get lost inunfamiliar territory"

pooch...?
as it is such

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From: M0LI <M0LI@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: Freshman vs. First year student:  The FINAL definiton and to
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:41:23 GMT

>
>Thank you God for setting us all straight.
>
>You wouldn't happen to have a cure for cancer,
> the answers to the  Universe, or a
>good way of picking your nose in public
>without anyone seeing, would you?
>
>Pooch :-(
>
>"I'm lost in thought,
>as it is such unfamiliar territory..."
>
POOCH:
   Your logic is flawed by your sarcasm.  Perhaps in the future
you will respect your fellow netters by using less of a
confrontational approach to getting your point across...
                  Cheryl


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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Skip School to see 'X'?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:02:46 GMT

hasn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <BxwDGs.50t@ais.org>, tim@ais.org (Tim Tyler) writes:
>>     Apparently, Spike is too busy flapping those Nubian lips to realize that
>                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Tim, if your statement reflects what schools teach, it seems 
>that Spike was right about the school system in the US.  Was it 
>necessary to make that statement in a public forum?  Pretty
>embarrassing considering its the 90s.

Only if you haven't read / heard Spike.  The "Nubian lips" comes from
him.  He admires them.  On the other hand, this could be yet another
one of those phrases that it's cool for blacks to say, but is
immediate proof of incurable racism if a non-black repeats it.


-- 
The only thing X-rated movies leave to the imagination is the plot.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
From: sfshaw@lagrange.uwaterloo.ca (Steve (Flipper) Shaw)
Subject: Re: 1st year students...
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:21:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.201335.11906@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st891054@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rand) writes:
> We at Brandeis University also have the term first year students...
> but we prefer "People of Freshdom."

At the University of Waterloo, up in the frozen wastelands, 'first-year
student' is the most-often used term. It makes sense here (at least
to me) because of all us darn co-op students running off during 
different terms to work, to be able to afford our next school term.

For example, I am a second-year student, even though I was a first-year
student in 1990. This is further complicated by the fact that I'm a '2B'
student (i.e. the second semester of my second year), and will not
be a third-year ('3A') student until next May, when I come back to 
school, God and my Combinatorics and Optimization prof willing.

ObPoliticalCorrectness: The term 'freshman' is almost never used here,
                        the less gender-specific 'frosh' being preferred.

ObInterestingPoint: 'Frosh' is generally only applied to 1A students. 
 
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From: hasn@midway.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Skip School to see 'X'?
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:11:59 GMT

In article <BxwDGs.50t@ais.org>, tim@ais.org (Tim Tyler) writes:
> 
>    Spike Lee seems to think that young blacks would be better off skipping
> school to go see 'X' than they would be to stay in school & learn (?) what the
> (racist white) school system wants them to learn.
>  
>     Apparently, Spike is too busy flapping those Nubian lips to realize that
                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Tim, if your statement reflects what schools teach, it seems 
that Spike was right about the school system in the US.  Was it 
necessary to make that statement in a public forum?  Pretty
embarrassing considering its the 90s.
From: mbk@netcom.com (Miles Kehoe)
Subject: Re: What about OUR rights
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:01:41 GMT

v115r4q5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Perry M Jowsey) writes:


> There has been alot of talk recently about the rights of homosexuals, and this
>debate has included the consideration of allowing homosexuals in the military.  
>With this in mind, America has realized that thehomosexual lifestyle is not to 
>homosexual lifestyle is not to be condoned.  Even with a president who had pro-
>claimed he was in favor of homosexual rights,America is sending a message loud 
>and clear which is causing Bill Clinton to be a little less outspoken on this 
>issue. It is evident in a recent Newsweek poll in which less than half of those
>polled think gays should be allowed in the military.

Without coming down on either side of the issue, I invite you
to consider some facts i read over the weekend (San Jose Mercury
News, I *think*) about gays and the military. I'm going from memory, 
which of course tends to be unreliable - but with that caveat:

1. The military establishment was VEHEMENTLY against racial integration
   and a number of 'top brass' swore that soldiers would quit by the
   thouands' rather than have to serve in an integrated unit. 

2. The military establishment was VEHEMENTLY against sexual integration
   in allowing women to serve except as nurses. Again, the 'top brass'
   swore that military discipline would be undermined, and that soldiers
   would quit by the thousands if women were allowed to serve.

3. 'Race roits' occurred as recently as 1972 (I think) on aircraft
   carrier in whcih white sailors protested having to 'put up with'
   black sailors in close quarters.

4. Any number of other countires allow gays in the military. Most
   have no restirctions on where a gay man or woman can serve. These
   countries include Japan, virtually all of NATO, and Australia.
   They seem to have had no significant problems.

The bottom line is that the military doesn't like change. The 
argument that goes 'think of a straight sailor who has to shower
with a gay one' doesn't fly. The sailor in question is probably
ALREADY showering with the gay man; it's just that the gay man
has to live in fear of losing his job if anyone finds out. The
argument that a gay is more likely to be the victim of blackmail
is ONLY valid if it's not permitted to be gay.

Remember, there ARE gays in the military - perhaps thousands.
All this law will do is permit these competent men and women to
not live in fear of discovery.


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From: quilty@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Humberto Humbertoldi)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality is normal?
Keywords: homosexuality
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:30:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.144508.5561@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes:
>In article <BxzBIr.JHy@nic.umass.edu> quilty@titan.ucc.umass.edu
>(Humberto Humbertoldi) writes:
>
>>The only points made, as far as I can tell (and both are entirely
>>correct, and important) are: a) Human's all have a capacity for both
>>hetero- and homosexual desires and behavior.
>
>I've got evidence this is false.  Do you have any it is true?

Yea, five thousand years of human history; all recorded written
literature; all sexology research; and common sense.
>
>>Essentialist ideology which denies (a) can often have a harmful
>>psychological effect on people when they find their desires/actions do
>>not match up with the ideology.
>
>The point of the article was that essentialism was ideological, which
>you are echoing above.  To see why this is crap, please note
>that your above objection is *entirely* ideological, and nowhere
>do you give any evidence for your positions, or even give the
>impression evidence is needed.
>
>In other words, ideology is there on both sides of this issue.  The
>important consideration is evidence, which both of you ignore or
>disparage.

EVERYTHING is ideological. Of course both sides are ideological, I
can't even imagine what it would mean for them not to be! What's your
point? 
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