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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:17:55 -0500 
From: Sean Michael Goller <wipeout+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: The Ultimate Challenge ;)

Speaking of the downward trend in assembly language programming, and
portability being the key in America, here's the ultimate challenge for
a 680x0 coder......


Write a demo for the macintosh. ;)

When I'm comfortable enough with 68k programming, I think I'll do it.
One that runs on an unaccelerated Mac Plus. Rip out all those bogus
toolbox calls (is this possible? ;) and see what the motherfucker can
REALLY do. NO MENUS NO HAPPY MAC NO TRASHCAN!!! <insane laugh>


I need sleep....

Sean
wipeout+@cmu.edu
From: Jesse_Michael@amwbbs.rain.com (Jesse Michael)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: LAST TIME!!! PLEASE RESPOND!  (Hardwired demo)
Distribution: world
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:57:31 PST
Organization: The Amiga Connection BBS

In a message dated Wed 11 Nov 92 00:32, Idr@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (ian D Romanic
wrote:

IDR> Because of the way that they track load that demo, it won't work on
IDR> any processor other than a 7Mhz 68000 (due to the speed).  It will
also
IDR> messup sometimes if you have real fast ram.
IDR>                                   - Ian Romanick
IDR>                                     Dancing Fool of Epsilon

Actually, the loader should work fine on a faster processor because they're
doing their waits by counting vertical blanks...

You should have remembered that one.  :)

-Jesse   (Haze of Epsilon)

-- Via DLG Pro v0.985b
From: Jesse_Michael@amwbbs.rain.com (Jesse Michael)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Phenomena egos??
Distribution: world
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:15:03 PST
Organization: The Amiga Connection BBS

In a message dated Wed 11 Nov 92 00:33, Browder@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (chip Bro
wrote:

 BB>  Why would we limit ourselves to textfiles? I have nothing less in
 BB> mind than
 BB>  a virtual clone of the EuroChart. I think the first few issues must
 BB> be created
 BB>  by the groups/individuals who are most interested. Then if we
 BB> succeed
 BB>  in helping the American scene as much as the EC did the Euro-scene,
 BB> a
 BB>  single group takes over. We all know that most of the work is the
 BB> vote-
 BB>  counting, editing, and coming up with something to say. I think, for
 BB> lack
 BB>  of material, it'd end up looking more like a real disk-mag than the
 BB> EC.

 BB>  I also think it will end up a NON-Euro Chart rather than an American
 BB> Chart
 BB>  because hopefully (as seen), Canda and Australia want in on the
 BB> action.
 BB>  It sounds like Epsilon's Obelisk is strictly a mag, not counting it
 BB> out,
 BB>  but I think we need full collaboration from the (few) existing non-
 BB> Euro
 BB>  groups.

Well, `Obelisk' was created to be very similar to EuroChart, but for
NON-European demo groups.  This would include Australia, Canada, and the
USA.

We even have a couple Australian members in Epsilon...  :)

The coding for the chart is completely done, and in some ways it could be
considered to be superior to EuroChart.

All we need is votes [what for yet? :)], news and info about non-European
groups, and digitized pictures.

Send whatever you want (as long as it's not lethal) to idr@cs.pdx.edu

In order to really start the scene [and give us something to have votes
for], we'll have to get the non-Euro groups to start putting demos up on
ftp sites and posting a message to say where you can get them from. 

-Jesse   (Haze of Epsilon)

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From: mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer)
Subject: Re: Programming
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos,comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.introduction,comp.sys.amiga.marketplace,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga Yarn 3.4, 1992/08/12 15:49:52
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Summary: 
Date: 15 Nov 92 11:44:11 PST
Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica

In <1e526iINNn1k@ub.d.umn.edu>, rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) wrote:
> In article <mwm.2n9x@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us> mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer) writes:
> 
> >Just to clarify this, I'm talking about AMOS the package, as opposed to
> >AMOS the lanugage. There may not be anything in the language that
> >causes all programs to have these bugs (since the only definition of
> >the LANGUAGE is in the PACKAGE, I don't know). This doesn't mean the
> >PACKAGE can avoid them.
> 
> And what I'm saying is that AMOS is not buggy.  Some of what you call
> bugs are necessary for the certain tricks AMOS allows (such as having
> more sprites on the screen than is normally allowable.

And if you can't disable that behavior when it's not needed, then it's
a BUG.

> As an example of this, please refer to the PD amos demos.

I went and double checked the entire FISH collection for anything that
said AMOS in the description. They all had bogus behavior, even things
that did nothing but draw static pictures.

> As I have stated, these are not necessarily bugs.  I totally understand
> your point (and I'm glad we've both settled down over this).  One should
> not discount a language (or package) unless one has extensive research
> saying that the language has NO merit (which is what your arguments
> seemed to be stating about AMOS).

The argument is that it's not possible to produce a multitasking
friendly, system-compliant applications in AMOS. That means it has no
merit, except for things where such behavior is acceptable - games.

> BTW, I would still be interested in the list of alternative languages
> you have (for researh sake- not to mention it might help that person
> whose post I was orignally responding to).

If you can live with "must run on screens it opened things",
AmigaVision is reasonable. For doing general-purpose applications, try
CanDo. There are a slew of other applications builders that can play
animations and move things on the screen, and they all have different
limitations: Thinker, HyperBook, UBC (or whatever it's called this
week). All the ones I've looked at can produce applications that don't
interfere with other applications on the machine.

	<mike
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth)
Subject: Re: Writing a StarField. Which method is best?
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:43:20 GMT
Originator: larshaug@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no


In article <1948@lysator.liu.se>, marvil@lysator.liu.se (Martin Vilcans) writes:
> larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth) writes:
> 
> 
> >	move.l	a7,SAVEA7
> >	lea	$1000.w,a7
> 
> Hey, DON'T DO THAT! You will probably destroy some OS structures or buffers.
> If you really want to create your own stack for some reason, do it like this:
> 
> 	move.l a7,savea7
> 	lea	stacke,a7
> 	.
> 	.
> 	.
> 	section stack,data
> stack:
> 	ds.b	stacksize	;A few hundred bytes is more than enough for
> 				;assembler programs
> stacke:

Before you start flaming me, you should have taken a better
look at the source! I don't use my own stack, but I simply
use add.w a7,d0 instead of add.w #$1000,d0 because it is
much faster (every cycle counts).

+-----------------------------------------------------------+
| Lars Haugseth                                             +-+
| Dept. of Informatics,               <larshaug@ifi.uio.no> | |
| University of Oslo, Norway                                | |
|                                                           | |
|          If idiots could fly, this would be an airport... | |
+-+---------------------------------------------------------+ |
  +-----------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: gs@teetot.acusd.edu (Greg Simon)
Subject: Has anyone gotten the lemmings-2 demo to work?
Organization: usd
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 16:45:39 GMT

The header says it all--

It guru's under 2.04, 1.3 (!) and all memory conditions!

HELP!

Greg
gs@teetot.acusd.edu

Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: mortene@Lise.Unit.NO (Morten Eriksen)
Subject: Re: Phenomena egos??
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 11:53:04 GMT

>        (I put in the Budbrain demo II, and watch his
>         face pale as Madonna gets murdered with a
>         large knife...)

Can't you please upload the Budbrain Megademo II somewhere. I haven't been able to
find it at any ftp-site.

Morten
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: l115130@cc.tut.fi (Lehtonen Tero)
Subject: Hardwired - once more!
Followup-To: A lot of articles
Summary: How to get it 
Keywords: Hardwired, Silents
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 11:36:39 GMT



	Hello fellow demo freaks out there on the net!


  I've just got some trouble with this wonderful piece of demo code. I finally
made it to work on my machine ( B2000 1.3 , 1Mb Chip , 2Mb Fast , Supra's
Wordsync controller + 105Mb Quantum ) by turning off everything except the 
motherboard installed Chip-ram. However, my problems aren't over since my 
HW disk 2 is corrupted - it crashes soon after the vector spacecraft has 
appeared. I've heard some other guys have had this problem too. So I decided
to download a new version of the demo. I tried the one in wuarchive.wustl.edu,
but oh shit, oh shit... 
  The .dms'ed file 'Hardwired-disk2' was over 740,000 bytes long so it didn't
fit on a DD MS-DOS floppy. I access the net via the shitty pc's of the 
university and move the downloaded files to my Amy on the DD floppies by 
using DosToDos. That's my only chance, since I don't have a modem or the 
ability to read HD-floppies.
  So how the heck can I split up that file and get it on the only  correct
format? Any ideas? God, I hate these stupid ms-dos machines! Screw 'em!
  Also, something more to complain about. Does anybody know the programmers
of Kefrens? I hope they get this: Kefrens, you are the shittiest coders I've
seen this far! None of many, many, many products carrying your name hasn't
work on my machine - no matter how much I degrade it. And I've only got a
68000-based B2000. Can't figure why it's so hard for some guys to write
WORKING code.

			        Tero Lehtonen, l115130@cc.tut.fi
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: marvil@lysator.liu.se (Martin Vilcans)
Subject: Re: Music and Code from Demos
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:16:16 GMT

tfinn@crash.cts.com (Aaron Grier) writes:

>Could you please point me to any amy demos that do have plasma? Does
>substance have it? Hmm... I think I need to know the exact definition
>of plasma before I run my mouth off again...

Just a note to everyone: Plasma is not the same thing on PC and Amiga.
On the PC, plasma is a just a still picture (often with colour cycling),
similar to fractals, not something real time animated. On the Amiga, plasma
is a raster effect, changing the colours lots of times on the screen.
From: idr@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Ian D Romanick)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Phenomena egos??
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:06:55 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

Funny that you should mention an AmeriChart because my group (Epsilon) has
just finished coding one.  There are some groups outside of Europe its just
that you don't hear about them.  So far I know of the following non-Euro
groups:
		Epsilon
		Megawatts
		B-Towne
		Crass
		Lunatics

There are some other Ausie groups, I just can't think of their names right
now.  The point is there is no comunication between the groups because we
are all so spread out!  I mean, we're in Oregon, B-Towne is in Florida, and
Megawatts is in Texas (I think...).  Here's what I suggest, let's start a
serious non-Euro scene!  This chart, which will most likely be titled
"Obelisk", would be the perfect way!  Here's what we need to start doing:
		Spreading demos!
		Having gathering.

I will admit, we haven't exactly been the best about spreading our demos,
but that's because most of them don't work so well with PAL (never thought
you'd hear that, no did ya?), but I'm in the process of fixing some of them
and they will be on the net soon!  We will also be releasing a couple of
intros and some mods at the Party II this December.  So to start things off,
we are planning to try to throw a party over Spring break (March) here in
Portland, Oregon, who would be interested in showing up?


                                  - Ian Romanick
                                    Dancing Fool of Epsilon

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Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: jms1086@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Charts/Magazine/WHatever!
Reply-To: jms1086@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 06:35:35 GMT

Ok, now we've talked so much about it, lets try and get some semblence
of order, and try and get one together... I think we've all agreed that
it will be a non-European chart/mag/whathaveyou... Now I can't
volenteer to do this, cause I don't know enough about coding as of yet..
I think that maybe it shouw start out as a mag, and exaplin what we're
going to do... Have interviews with some non-European demo group
members... See how they feel about it.. Have each group interviewed 
add a screen to it.. HOw this sounding? You guys like? That would give a
small spark, not one group has to do the whole thing, it will be an
insentive to groups that are here now, to make something... Then we could
have a vote on that, and go from there... How's this sound....Might be
hard to do at start, trough the net, but as the word grows.........
Let do it guys...

							-Garion...
PS: Hell.. I'll be the editor? Write an editorial.. Hmmm....
From: tfinn@crash.cts.com (Aaron Grier)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Music and Code from Demos
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:37:33 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

In article <MKNIP.92Nov9165110@blob.hut.fi> mknip@niksula.hut.fi (Mats Anders Knip) writes:
>>   Well plasma on the IBM is currently done via palette cycling...
>> pretty fast and relatively easy to do (you've just got to do your code
>> right!)
>
>Hmmm... You can't mean plasma. That would require a palette of
>thousands of colors. Color-bars perhaps, but not plasma.
>A plasma is (basically) done by changing the background-color of
>the screen every 2nd cycle (8 pixels) with the copper. For more
>anvanced plasmas, bitmaps can be used together with fine-scroll
>(also handled by the copper) and color changes.
>
Could you please point me to any amy demos that do have plasma? Does
substance have it? Hmm... I think I need to know the exact definition
of plasma before I run my mouth off again...

>>   Would someone kindly define what exactly copper and blitter plus
>>   any other amy specifics are?
>
>Hope you got some ideas.
>
Thanks! Yeah.. the PC still has a way to go. Fact is it wasn't designed
for demo-making. I guess that's why it took this long. Plus you still
run into the "multiple-standards"... kinda funny. Well you could say that
VGA is a standard, as almost all IBM demos do some register level "hacking"
to achieve their ultra-smoothness. Sound is another matter... lessee...
you can choose between SB, SB pro, homade DAC, stereo-homade DAC, DMA run,
timer run, etc... what a mess! :-)

agrier@gompers.gompers.edu (real internet addy)
tfinn@crash.cts.com (UUCP address)

I want my plasma... also that budbrain demo... that is some cool stuff!
especially that "it began in Africa" part. Simply awesome.
From: matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Phenomena egos??
Date: 9 Nov 92 10:04:29 GMT
Organization: The DSV institute of Stockholm, Sweden
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Keith Allan Schneider (keith@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:

: You should be surprised that any Americans have written ANYTHING for the
: Amiga!

I would say, despite being from Europe, that Americans really know how to
treat their Amigas. Here we have a lot of "brain dead" gamefreaks using an
Amiga 500 with 512k memory. So the amount of people really taking advantage
of the abilities of the Amiga and its applications, is probably not less
in the US than in Europe.

--
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=  Mattias  =  matt-dah@dsv.su.se  =  I love it.        =
=========================================================
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=  is *buying* the existing ones. Do you realize that?  = 
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Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: mjbrown@lonestar.utsa.edu (Marc J. Brown)
Subject: Re: Phenomena egos??
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:31:54 GMT

In article <MKNIP.92Nov6111146@blob.hut.fi> mknip@niksula.hut.fi (Mats Anders Knip) writes:
>
>and thought that we'd accept that as an answer. During the rest of
>the party he ran around talking big trying to get as many "new friends"
>as possible to vote for his tune in the music-compo. Luckily, the

That's probably how he won contest in The Party (well, that and the fact
that the other mods were not the best :).

>Get that motherfucker out of the charts! He ain't worth it.His music
>is as mainstream as it could ever be (listen to Bruno - now that's a
>musician!) and his poor ego really shone through in the scrolltexts
>in "crystal sym.".  Yachhh....

Yeah... I have noticed that his style shines through all too readily...
he seems to use the SAME ideas in his music every time... and taking a
look at his music code tells me that he doesn't care how that looks either.
I've personally chopped off dozens of K from his mods at no audio
sacrifice... Heck, in his mod Enigma, he even overlooked a tempo mistake
that sticks out like a sore thumb when you listen to it.

Hmm... as for his ego... I've never met him :).  This scrolltexts do hint
at arrogance.  I imagine he left Maniacs of Noise just to be "cool."
Just IMHO.

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From: matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Phenomena egos??
Date: 9 Nov 92 09:55:47 GMT
Organization: The DSV institute of Stockholm, Sweden
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Kelvin Leung (abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu) wrote:

: Hey, we still have Eric Swartz (sp?)!

Yes, that's true! He's very popular in Europe, indeed. The dream would be
to see ES using AGA-graphics.

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=========================================================
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=  is *buying* the existing ones. Do you realize that?  = 
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Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: jbrown@lonestar.utsa.edu (Justin W. Brown)
Subject: Re: Phenomena egos??
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:10:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.100108.20535@lth.se> d90mj@efd.lth.se (Maarten Johansson) writes:
>In article <BxHsJw.81D@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> browder@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Chip Browder) writes:
>
>What does an "Americans" chart mean? Does it mean that only Americans
>are voting or does it mean that only American demos are allowed?

The only thing I can think of is that Americans will be participating in
its existence :).  I publicly announce dibs for the music for this sucker ;).

>*) Top-ten etc.

Maybe more American-specified... of course, it'd be a good idea to include
Australians and Canadians.

-Maruku of Megawatts
BTW... waah, I'm losing this account... Which means all of my Usenet
posts after today will be about 3 days late, 'cause for some reason,
the other Usenet I get to use gets the posts "whenever" instead of
"on time" like most sites... !? :(

Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK))
Subject: Programming styles. was: Re: Phenomena egos?? 
Summary: Celebrandal still hasn't said anything about the "it" thing.
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:23:09 GMT

Inarticle <njale.28.721552562@dhhalden.no> njale@dhhalden.no (NJAL EIDE) writes:
>What is the point with every single programmer re-inventing the wheel ? If 
>nobody could take advantage of others expiriences the world would never go 
>forward. It would be very prosperous if everybody had to figure out quick-
>sort etc. for themselves, or ???

But you must understand the basics first.  The quick sort (and a simple-scroll)
are pretty simple peices of code.  It wouldn't be too hard to figure out
those.  

Sure, you could very well just copy someone elses code for a sort or scroll.
But at SOME point you must decide if following this persons algorythim
is to your benefit.

Scenario:  everybody follows some persons sort routine because everybody
always has.  Somebody sees some persons sort routine can be improved one
hundred times if they just change it a little, but everybody scoffs
somebody because somebody's re-inventing the wheel.

But in order to improve it you must understand the simplest elements first.
(This is why they don't let you just copy those simple programs from someone
else in your class. :)

(so what if it's a little off topic :)
>Njaal Eide


--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: clueless@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Movie demos
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:34:59 GMT
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Are there any demos out there which simulate what computers do in movies? 
You know, like in Patriot Games, when they're in CIA HQ in Langley, when the
computer sitting behind Jack is busily putting text and graphs and maps on
the screen, generally looking busy and impressive, but in all probability
doing nothing?