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From: bobs@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Bob Sutton)
Subject: Re: Shostakovich sampler
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:10:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.145910.20071@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.020024.18012@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> bobs@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Bob Sutton) writes:
>>Since this is the second time (as far as I can remember) someone has asked
>>for an introduction to Shostakovich, I think it might be a good idea to
>>create a sampler tape for this newsgroup.  Everyone can contribute 
>>his or her favorite symphony or concerto movement, short piece, etc. 
>>and see if one 90 minute cassette can be put together.  I think we can
>>excape copyright problems because I am proposing only building a tape
>>of excerpts.
>
>I hate to play the anal-retentive Music Librarian here, BUT such a tape
>would still be a flagrant copyright violation. To comply w/ copyright 
>law, a tape must be :1) composed only of excerpts,  AND 2) be covered
>by the "Fair Use" provision of copyright law. Making a tape of an
>excperpt to accompany a presentation on Russian Music, for example, 
>would be fine; making a sampler or anthology without paying royalties
>is NOT fine. Its a substitute for purchasing the music, and therefore
>no go.

Well, probably the best thing to do to skirt around this problem is to
only use excerpts.  We might be able to get away with a complete short
movement.  However, the idea is not make a substitute for someone buying
CDs and tapes, rather to whet the appetite of someone who is interested
in Shostakovich but doesn't know much about the vast diversity of 
format and styles he used over his carer.  In short, the idea is to get
the prospective listener interested in the music of DS and thus entice
him to buy CDs and tapes.

STill, the record companies being the capitalists they are and the 
Federal government and it's Gestapo mentality when it comes to copyright
infringement is a bit frightening.  Well, according to my interpretation,
a "sampler" of "excerpts" to accompany our "discussions" on the "merits
of the music of Shostakovich" can be construed as "fair use".  The 
purpose of the tape is to "demonstrate" the value of Shostakovich to
get the person receiving the tape to go out and buy CDs and tapes.
Sound good?

-- 
Bob Sutton                        Love, most bitterly and fiercely oppresses
bobs@gnu.ai.mit.edu		  those who fight it than those who offer
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From: s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Richard A. Muirden [GA])
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
Subject: Re: 10th symphony
Date: 18 Nov 1992 06:42:15 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
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bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton) writes:

>|> Shostakovich Symphony No. 11 ("1905")
>|> Leopold Stokowski
>|> Houston Symphony Orchestra
>|> Angel CDC-7 47419 2

>Here I would heartily recommend the Haitink again.

Why does noone give the DePriest a look in? I think his 11 is fantastic,
though his 10 is crap...


>Am I the only one here that likes the 7th and 12th ?  Come on, where are
>the all the Bruckner and Mahler cross-overs ??????

nope, I like the 7 and 12. just played the 12 before. Interesting though the
notes on my recording of the 12th (Jarvi on DG) says that the 12th is his
(Shosts) worst symphony. Most prob. because it toes the party line more than
any other (with possible exception of the 2nd and 3rd). And it is rather
formal type stuff.... (but dare I say FORMALIST? No! don't confuse me!)

>-- 
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From: s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Richard A. Muirden [GA])
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
Subject: Re: Bruckner, Mahler, and DS (was Re: 10th symphony)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 04:44:02 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
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vpt@jytko.jyu.fi (V.-P. Tahvanainen) writes:

>Twelfth formal?! What do you mean? I simply think both lack any viable
>musical ideas at least in comparison to DS's better work. I recall the
>Finnish conductor Paavo Berglund remarking about the 12th that it is
>painful to see the places in the score where DS clearly ran out of
>ideas... Perhaps he just did not put his heart to a 'party line' work.

True. What I meant by formal is that the 12th is rather bland or it just
splutters along, notthing terribly "shost" about it, or does it seem that
it's just, as you say, a half hearted effort to bow down to the party
(as they had just let him become a mevmber around 1960)...

-richard

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From: ns14@crux2.crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Nathan Otto Siemers)
Subject: Re: Shaking the shostakovich tree.
Organization: Department of Chemistry, Cornell Univ.
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Distribution: alt
Date: 19 Nov 92 06:10:08

>>>>> On Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:21:26 GMT, rmc@wang.com (rmc) said:
 rmc> Nntp-Posting-Host: miyazaki.wang.com

 rmc> Discussing possible pieces for a Shostakovich "Best Of" tape to
 rmc> pique peoples' interest, ns14@crux2.crux2.cit.cornell.edu
 rmc> (Nathan Otto Siemers) writes:

> 	Third mvmt of 5th symphony.  The beautiful soprano solo in
> Lady Macbeth.  A couple preludes and fugues.  One of the songs in
> the 14th symphony. (Madam!  Look!  You've dropped something!).  And
> finish it with the WHOLE 8th quartet.

 rmc> Well, if we include the WHOLE 8th quartet, some of the
 rmc> architectural problems could go away.  My favorite movement is
 rmc> Symphony 15 movement 3 and i would request it NOT be included;
 rmc> it was the specific example i was thinking of when i noted that
 rmc> Shostakovich's symphonies work together as a whole and not as
 rmc> exceprts.  I find the movement excruciatingly beautiful, but
 rmc> without the setup from the not-quite-as-slow second movement the
 rmc> theme seems too simple.

Is that the movement that keeps waltzing?  I agree whole heartedly.

 rmc> There is a really catchy work for two pianos, i think its just
 rmc> titled "Fantasy", that could be included.  Father and son
 rmc> recorded it together, with the son taking the fast, showy treble
 rmc> part.  My favorite song from the 14th is "Three Lilies", but
 rmc> paired with "Macbeth" this might paint too morbid a picture.

	Excuse me? Shostakovich?

 rmc> The cello sonata would be a good choice, especially if one could
 rmc> find a copy of the old Melodiya recording with DSch handling the
 rmc> piano.  It's short enough that one could do another whole piece
 rmc> rather than an excerpt.

Even as a cellist,  the sonata doesn't seem to get to me, although I
spent five years listening to the 15th symphony before i got it. ;)


 rmc> Building such a tape as a "thought experiment" seems fun.
 rmc> Building the real tape would seem somewhat dubious morality
 rmc> wise, although we can always fall back on the "building
 rmc> potential new customers" argument fans always seem to rely on
 rmc> for bootlegging.

	Dubious morality wise?  Come now, the record company lobby
just passed the bill that will make us pay THEM a royalty whenever we
buy a blank dat tape.  I have no moral qualms.


 rmc> R Mark Chilenskas Chilenskas@Office.wang.com

	Nathan Siemers  :)
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From: rmc@wang.com (rmc)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
Subject: Re: Shaking the shostakovich tree.
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:05:46 GMT
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In yesterday's post i referred to a two-piano work which i thought was
"Fantasy".  In fact it is "Concertino", i think OP 19.  I was
confusing "Concertino" with the OP 1 Fantasies, which are for single
piano.  I think "Concertino" is a more interesting introductory piece.

R Mark Chilenskas
Chilenskas@Office.wang.com
From: dhinz@linden.wbst845e.xerox.com (Dan Hinz)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
Subject: US premier of _Hypothetically Murdered_
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:37:44 GMT
Distribution: alt.fan.shostakovich
Organization: CR&T - Xerox Corporation, Webster, NY


The Rochester Philharmonic recently performed the US premier of
_Hypothetically Murdered_. This is music for that has been restored from the
piano sketches (the original orchestrations are believed to have been lost
in the siege of Leningrad). This is early DS, the stage performance that it
was written for seems to be along the lines of what we would call
vaudeville. The program notes were written by the person that did the
restoration. If there's interest I would be willing to get them typed up (I
didn't see a copywrite notice on them anywhere).
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From: bkruem@ciba-geigy.ch (Michael Krueger)
Subject: Dance of the Puppets
Organization: Ciba-Geigy Ltd., Basel, Switzerland
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:02:53 GMT

The "Dance of the Puppets" are 7 easy piano pieces (without opus) which have
been written between 1952 and 1962.

But there exists a collection of 25 piano pieces called "Roundabout of Dances"
which contains all of the pieces from "Dance of the Puppets". I'm not sure if
you will find them on the list of DSCH's works. I have the piano score for the
"Roundabout of Dances" (Edition Sikorski, 1970). There is indicated clearly,
that these pieces are "selected and arranged by L. Atovmyan".

Some of the music appear also in DSCH's film music, notably the Suites from
"The Gadfly" (1955) and "Michurin" (1964), of course in an orchestral version.
There is no Suite of DSCH's film music, which has not been arranged or selected
by Atovmyan.

The following table depicts the relationship between "Dance of the Puppets",
"Roundabout of Dances" and film music:

Roundabout of Dances	    Dance of the Puppets   Film Music
--------------------------  ---------------------  ---------------------------
 1. Welcome Song
 2. Lyric Waltz 	    1. Lyric Waltz
 3. Gavotte		    2. Gavotte
 4. Romance		    3. Romance
 5. Waltz of Remembrance
 6. Polka		    4. Polka
 7. Merry Waltz 	    5. Merry Waltz
 8. Barrel-Organ Polka (*)  6. Barrel-Organ Polka
 9. Waltz of the Flowers
10. Little Dance	    7. Dance
11. Lullaby
12. Spring Waltz				    3. Waltz (Michurin)
13. Country Dance (**)				    2. Counter Dance (Gadfly)
14. Spanish Dance				    3. Fair (Gadfly)
15. Nocturne I					   10. Nocturne (Gadfly)
16. Barrel-Organ Waltz				    5. Barrel Organ W. (Gadfly)
17. Little Piece				    7. Introduction (Gadfly)
18. Sentimental Waltz
19. Spring Dance
20. A Waltzlike Song
21. Nocturne II
22. A Sad Song
23. Folk-Dance
24. Adagio
25. Farewell Waltz

    (*)  This is an extended version of the piece from "Dance of the Puppets".
    (**) This is presumably a bad translation. "Counter Dance" as in "The
	 Gadfly" appears to be correct (in German both pieces are named
	 "Kontratanz", Country Dance would translate to "Volkstanz").

So, this raises some questions:

- The remaining pieces of "Roundabout...", do they also appear in DSCH's film
  music? (The above list is based on my knowledge of the Suites from
  "Michurin", "The Fall of Berlin", "The Golden Mountains", "Hamlet", "The
  Gadfly")

- Are these pieces piano transcriptions of DSCH's film music by Atovmyan?

- Or did DSCH write the piano pieces first, and used them later in his film
  music?

- Who was L. Atovmyan?

Anyone cares to comment?

Michael Krueger

Ciba-Geigy, Textile Dyestuffs, Basel, Switzerland
email:    bkruem@ciba-geigy.ch
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From: huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston)
Subject: Re: Symphony Nos. 7 & 12 (was:Re: 10th symphony)
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:14:17 GMT

In article <1ekrp4INNenn@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Richard A. Muirden [GA]) writes:
>schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>
>>The 12th, on the other hand, is mostly symphonic action throughout
>>(except for the slow 2nd movement).  The 1st movement is extremely
>>rousing.  It's be hard not to get stirred up by all that trumpet blaring
>>and militaristic drum tapping.  Almost makes one wannna be a member of
>>the Proleteriate!
>
>Yes, I want to raise my red banner to Lenin whenever I hear that it's
>wonderful stuff that first movement... in fact I think I'll put it
>on now :) :) :) now where did my May Day poster go? :)

In the reissued version of Eisenstein's _October_ excerpts from the 12th
Symphony are used quite effectively.  The first movement appears early
and accompanies the tearing down of a statue of Czar Alexander III.  The
fourth movement underlines the storming of the Winter Palace near the end
of the movie.

Eisenstein should have hired Shostakovich to score the film back in 1927.
(Why not Prokofiev?  He was still living outside the U.S.S.R.)

-- Herb Huston
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From: timm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Timm Knoerzer)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
Subject: Re: 10th symphony
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:05:03 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <13827@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.205539.502@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>
>Am I the only one here that likes the 7th and 12th ?  Come on, where are
>the all the Bruckner and Mahler cross-overs ??????
>-- 

Well, I originally responded privately to request for listening suggestions.
I'm pleased to inform you that you are not the only listener who likes
the 7th and 12th symphonies.  In fact, the seventh is one of my favorite 
orchestral pieces and was one of the pieces I had recommended to the 
requestee.  

Timm Knoerzer
From: tasos@cs.bu.edu (Anastasios Kotsikonas)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
Subject: Re: 10th symphony
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:39:05 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1ecok7INNc61@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Richard A. Muirden [GA]) writes:
#bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton) writes:
#
##|# Shostakovich Symphony No. 11 ("1905")
##|# Leopold Stokowski
##|# Houston Symphony Orchestra
##|# Angel CDC-7 47419 2
#
##Here I would heartily recommend the Haitink again.
#
#Why does noone give the DePriest a look in? I think his 11 is fantastic,
#though his 10 is crap...

I have this CD too. You just don;t know what you are missing with Haitink!!!!




Tasos
Newsgroups: alt.fan.shostakovich
From: ns14@crux2.crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Nathan Otto Siemers)
Subject: Shaking the shostakovich tree.
Organization: Department of Chemistry, Cornell Univ.
Distribution: alt
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:41:08

In-reply-to: rmc@wang.com's message of Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:25:23 GMT
	<RMC.92Nov16112523@miyazaki.wang.com>
>>>>> On Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:25:23 GMT, rmc@wang.com (rmc) said:

 rmc> bobs@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Bob Sutton) writes

>Since this is the second time (as far as I can remember) someone has
>asked for an introduction to Shostakovich, I think it might be a good
>idea to create a sampler tape for this newsgroup.  Everyone can
>contribute his or her favorite symphony or concerto movement, short
>piece, etc.  and see if one 90 minute cassette can be put together.

 rmc> I think this is a terrible idea.  Even if it was legal, taking
 rmc> an excerpt of a Shostakovich symphony does nothing.  They are
 rmc> the best because they work together so well, not because they
 rmc> have the catchiest tunes, or the best individual theme
 rmc> development, or even the best orchestration (though here the
 rmc> quality is really high).  This is doubly true for the string
 rmc> quartets.  And i'm not sure taking individual shorter work (one
 rmc> or two of the preludes and fugues for example) really will give
 rmc> someone an idea of the sound of Shostakovich's music.  That is
 rmc> heavily involved in the way he handles voicing during the slow
 rmc> movements of orchestral pieces, and the handling of
 rmc> recapitulations.

	I have sympathy with your feelings about this.  Many years ago
I saw the Philadelphia quartet play an "introduction to string
quartet" concert, containing excerpts from different pieces.  The
final piece they played was the eigth quartet of DSCH,  and they had
to play the whole thing as you really cannot break that piece up.


	I still think however thatn excerpt tape would work.  Of
course you don't get the "bigger picture"  but dsch shines so much
anyway.   My own introduction was through such a compilation, and my
immeadiate response was "who is this guy?  where do i get more??!!".


	suggestions?

	Third mvmt of 5th symphony.   The beautiful soprano solo in
Lady Macbeth.  A couple preludes and fugues.  One of the songs in the
14th symphony. (Madam!  Look!  You've dropped something!).  And finish
it with the WHOLE 8th quartet.

	nathan

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From: larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way)
Subject: Re: thEwIndBag bashes Rev. Jackson, again
Organization: New Mexico State University, MetaPhysical Science Laboratory
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:48:08 GMT

>>>>> On 19 Nov 1992 18:56:30 GMT, leffel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Christopher J Leffel) said:
Chris> I have no problem that you disagree with Rush...  but I would like
Chris> to draw your attention to the fact that this newsgroup is called
Chris> alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Chris>     ^^^
Chris> The posting of such material to this group is just flame-bating...
Chris> Please direct any further thoughts such as these to
Chris> alt.rush-limbaugh.  --

So, Christopher. Who made you sheriff of this group? We keep getting posts
from folks like yourself insisting that the group is for the exclusive use
of Dittos.

I'd like to draw YOUR attention that alt.fan.rush-limbaugh has had
postings both praising and complaining about Mr. Limbaugh since its
inception. Flame baiting and chain pulling are going to continue here AND
in alt.rush-limbaugh too.

I'm a Limbaugh fan who tunes in just to hear how obnoxious and stupid he'll
get next. I'm seldom disappointed. (If listening almost every day doesn't 
qualify me as a fan, then what does?) 

Besides, *someone* has to speak for the New Right. It might as well be
Limbaugh. 

L.
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From: joltman@cookie-crisp.ai.mit.edu (T. Andy Frakes)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Rush Butchers Facts for his own Agenda
Date: 23 Nov 1992 22:02:36 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
Distribution: usa
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In article <1992Nov23.060812.13762@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin) writes:
|> "Well, all 36% moderates are just liberals in disguise.  Of the 16% who
|> claim to be conservative, at least 5% are liberals [not moderates] in
|> disguise.  So the real number is 11% conservative, and the rest are
|> liberals or worse"
|> 
|> Well, this is how rush thinks - if we don't like the facts, call them
|> liars and readjust the numbers until they suit your agenda.

All 36% of the the moderates are liberals in disguise.... Here,
Slick Limby is suggesting that liberals are all trying to make the
results look more even by claiming that they are objective/moderate,
but that conservatives don't try to do just the opposite.

Usually Slick Limby is slicker than this, but I guess anything goes
now that Clinton has won the election.  I like his argument against
gays in the military.  They shouldn't be allowed because the people
in the military say that it's disrupting, etc.  Does that mean if
General Motors said that gays cause a disruption on the assembly
lines that we should ban them from employment there, too?  I'm not
arguing for or against the issue.  I'm just noting the way Rush
presents this.  It's like "See?  The military experts say .....! 
Who are YOU to believe anything but the 'cold hard truth' that I
have presented?"  I guess we have to accept this as gospel truth,
but reject the results of a poll based on REAL facts.

-- 
T. Andy Frakes (joltman@ai.mit.edu)
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From: pugh@pico.math.ucla.edu (David Pugh)
Subject: Re: Here Are The Undeniable Truths of Life
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 02:29:16 GMT

In article <grendel.722041805@camelot> grendel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alyosha Bourgea) writes:
>In <69483@cup.portal.com> sjthomas@cup.portal.com (Stephen J Thomas) writes:
>
>>Rush Limbaugh's 35 Truths                                          
>>
>>24. Feminism was established so that unattractive women could have 
>>    access to the mainstream of society.                           
>
>Absolute bullshit, possibly the most offensive of Limbaugh's bogus "truths".
>Limbaugh insults and ignores what he does not understand or what makes him
>uncomfortable.  He prefers to wallow in his own illusions.  This contention
>of his is so repugnant as to almost not be worth the time it takes to respond
>to it, but I assure you that even the most attractive woman won't make it
>into high-level business or govermental office without the push of feminism.
>Ugly men have been making it big for a long time.

e.g.  RUSH LIMBAUGH !!

>Feminism isn't about looks, it isn't about brassieres, it isn't even about
>job opportunity.  Rush doesn't have the first, crudest inkling of a clue on
>this matter.

I think this Rushism is just a manifestation of Rush's emotional/sexual
inadequacies with women. What does mainstream of society mean anyway?
I thought Feminism was established to remove the imbalance of power
between men and ANY woman?

>>25. Love is the only emotion that cannot be controlled.            
>
>Limbaugh seems to control it well enough.

Somehow I find it difficult to imagine Rush capable of love. Probably
related to my comment to 24. The only way I can see a woman being
attracted to Rush (unless she's a brainless DittoHead) is for his
money. How any woman could contemplate sleeping with such an amorphous
mass of bigotry is beyond me...

David (the AntiRusht)

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