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From: Julian Humphries <jmh3@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Novell/ODI & Memory For PC Gopher
X-Xxdate: Tue, 5 Jan 93 20: 44:10 GMT
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:33:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.092737.387@news.uwyo.edu> Rich Travsky,
rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu writes:
>The ideal long term solution might be for PC Gopher to swap itself to
disk
>(or something like that) so as to leave more memory free. Since Novell,
to
>my knowledge, is only supporting ODI, this is something that may come up
>more often for Novell sites.
>
>In the meantime, has anyone found a workaround? A tweak of some sort?
>I'd be much obliged for any tips! Thanks in advance,
>

Different versions of telnet take different amounts of memory.  The
Clarkson
CUTE:2.2/TC-D version uses about 50K less memory than NCSA telnet.  There
may be 
others as well.  That should handle any difference in memory usage
between 1.02 and
1.03r.  (Unless you are already using CUTE!!!)

Julian Humphries
Cornell University
jmh3@cornell.edu
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From: nenno@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Mario Nenno [Biologie])
Subject: Help : Wais-Index in Gopher ?
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:26:43 GMT

Hello,

I'm new to instaling gophers and I want to integrate a Wais-Index
to gopher. I tried the gopherd-man pages but in the menu I got only
the Line for to ask the question. After that their is a error msg
Server Error: ..', Cannot connect to Server.

Any help is appreciated ! Maybe a sample .Link file would be fine.

Thank you for your time.

Mario Nenno (nenno@rhrk.uni-kl.de)
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From: Julian Humphries <jmh3@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Novell/ODI & Memory For PC Gopher, yikes too many replies
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In article <1993Jan5.203512.7772@mail.cornell.edu> Julian Humphries,
jmh3@cornell.edu writes:
>

over and over.  Sorry, but Nuntius kept tell me that the posting failed
because it did
not get an acknowledgement, so I kept sending it.  Obviously, our NNTP
server and
Nuntius need a little be communication.

Julian Humphries
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Subject: Re: Job-search advice wanted
Date: 8 Jan 1993 23:17:29 GMT
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In article <93Jan08.071854.22290@acs.ucalgary.ca> machampi@acs.ucalgary.ca (Mary Ann Champion) writes:
>
[How can a person with CFS hold down a job?]

>.... I'm not sure I wouldn't still have 
>really bad times even if I worked only part-time, but that's what 
>I plan to try next.   
> 
Try a temporary agency like Kelly or whoever.  Take short assignments
(~ a week to start with) and rest in between assignments.  Find out what
your limits are, and how long you can work a full day without pooping out,
and how long you have to rest in between.

I did that for a while, after my first three years with CFS which I spent
flat on my back.  (I think I've mentioned before that--according to what
I've read--a goodish percentage of CFS owners get *some*what better after
three years.)

After about four years of temping, I yielded to temptation and took a
permanent job that's officially 75-to-100%, supposedly about 80% percent
in practice, creeping up toward the 100% mark because my boss's fertile
brain keeps generating more and more paperwork.  So far, so good--it
helped that I took the week between Christmas and New Year's off and 
spent it in bed.

Which reminds me: what about the lady who posted just before the holidays,
asking for advice on getting enough rest during Christmas at home?  How
did you make out?

Dorothy J. Heydt
UC Berkeley
cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu

Disclaimer:  UCB and the Cozzarelli lab are not responsible for my
opinions, and in fact I don't think they know I have any.
From: machampi@acs.ucalgary.ca (Mary Ann Champion)
Subject: Re: sleep
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 19:13:06 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <930108113318.20206dbb@HUGSE1.HARVARD.EDU> KEGANRO@HUGSE1.HARVARD.EDU writes:
>        I've been incredibly frustrated lately with how messed up my sleep has
>been, and am wondering if anyone has any suggestions...

Kate, I think you're right to look for something other than
valium or other benzodiazepines as a long-term solution.  Not
only can it be difficult to stop using them, but I believe they
affect your nightly sleep cycle, so that your sleep isn't as
refreshing.  (I could be wrong about that, though. My memory
isn't what it used to be.)  

I take a calcium supplement before bed most nights and I *think*
I sleep more solidly and wake up feeling more refreshed when I
take it than when I don't.  It's actually a calcium/magnesium
combination and I end up taking a total of 1000 mg of calcium and
500 mg of magnesium.  I started doing it after reading _Chronic
Fatigue Syndrome: The Hidden Epidemic_ by Jesse A. Stoff, M.D.
and Charles Pellegrino.  The authors say that calcium
"facilitates the balance of neurotransmitters, making sleep
easier," and they recommend taking 1000 mg about an hour before
bedtime.  I don't know if there's a scientific basis to their
claims, but, as I said, I think it works for me.

Good luck, Kate.  If there's one thing we all need, it's solid 
sleep!

Mary Ann



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From:         Cindy Tobias <CLTOBIAS@ARIZVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: sleep

I have found that my sleep is light and full of bizarre dreams when I have
used scented fabric softener sheets on my bed sheets in the dryer.  This may
be related to having MCS, but it might be worth a try for others.   Cindy
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From:         Marshall Gilula <gerilla!mgilula@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      "lay" opinions of one sawbones

OK, even though I am an MD, I am not trying to post this as a
commercial for microalgae, also known as spirulina, which I believe that
more of you/us should try....especially if you can figure out which of the
brands for sale are the *active* ones...i.e. some of the spirulina sold is
just junk and doesn't do anything for you. Two brands of spirulina that

I have personally tasted and used and found NOT to be ripoffs are
 Light Force  And EarthRise. The first is sold primarily through a network
and the second is sold in health food stores.


Also, beware the either/or attitude....most of us humans with difficult problems
really need to cultivate more of the both/and approach which is common
to Holistic Medicine as a serious discipline that blends traditional
general medicine into a smooth incorporation of many
nontraditional approaches.   But for sure there are still snake root oil
salespeople.  Find a good family doctor, even if he/she
doesn't believe in all of your interests but try to get *some* professional
help in your quest.  For example, acupuncture and a lot of  oriental
medicine can be helpful but absolutely stupid if used to the exclusion of
traditional medicine and good common sense.

Seeking information helps to empower you, but so does operating from the
heart on a conscious basis.  Good, strong heartfelt love and caring for at
least one other person work much better than flames.  Remember that none
 of our diagnostic systems are perfect.


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From:         Kriss Davis <CCFXKPD@UCHIMVS1.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      malic acid

I tried the malic acid/magnesium supplement (that is highly
touted by the CFS Buyer's Club) for eight weeks and didn't
notice any effect. I had already been taking a high quality
magnesium supplement for about a year and a half, and did
notice improvement with it, so maybe I just didn't need any
further magnesium. My improvement with the magnesium was mainly
in improved cognitive function, not in increased energy or less pain.
I have read several studies that found that most CFS patients have
low magnesium levels.
I have not seen malic acid/mag. anywhere except the Buyer's Club.
My best remedies for muscle soreness have been Naprosyn
(prescription, takes about three weeks for full effect) or, in
natural remedies, the Max GLA oil--which takes about six weeks for
full effect and causes easy bruising and shouldn't be taken with
any other blood thinning drugs without medical supervision. With
painful muscle spasms, Flexeril (prescription) has worked for me.
I take it at bedtime, since it also causes drowsiness, and that
works great in helping me get to sleep too.
Happy New Year and Hang In There!
Signed, Betsy "Not A Doctor" Davis
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From:         "Fran E. Rich" <frich@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Malic Acid

A friend of a friend that has had CFS since 1967 swears by malic acid -
says it immediately helped her muscle soreness. I did a search of the
CFS-L archives and found only one mention of it in an October post. They
asked if anyone had tried it. There didn't seem to be any responses. Has
anyone tried it at this point? What are your experiences? Is it available
at health food stores? I haven't checked yet but probably will this weekend.

Fran
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Date:         Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:38:10 PST
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From:         John Setel O'Donnell <jod@EQUATOR.COM>
Subject:      Re: sleep; It's Possibly/Probably Lyme; Survey request

    In article <930108113318.20206dbb@HUGSE1.HARVARD.EDU>
    KEGANRO@HUGSE1.HARVARD.EDU writes:
    >        I've been incredibly frustrated lately with how messed up my sleep
 has
    >been, and am wondering if anyone has any suggestions...

Your writeup touched me, as you put into words my experience with
sleep disorder; we, the UnSleepers who are always sleepy.  (I just
saw "Dracula", but will try not to carry this imagery farther.)

Well, here I go again.  The sleep disorder you describe exactly
matches that described in virtually every medical paper about the
neurological effects of Lyme disease.  Steere et al. in New England
Jnl Medicine 11/22/90: "...89 percent had a mild (sic) encephalopathy
that began 1 month to 14 years after the onset of the disease and was
characterized by memory loss, mood changes, or sleep disturbance."
(Also see Krupp et al, Arch Neurol 11/91; there are other references
if you're interested.)

I'm curious: has anybody reading this group decided to check out
the Lyme possibility, and contacted a Lyme-knowledgeable physician
through the Lyme foundation (203-871-2900)?  What's your experience
been like, if so?  Why not, if not? (my obnoxious posts didn't
_convince_ you?  It's no laughing matter, but...)  Reply to me
(particularly if you want to comment about obnoxious posts) and
I'll summarize to the group if I get enough responses.  Thanks!



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From:         John Setel O'Donnell <jod@EQUATOR.COM>
Subject: Re: sleep; It's Possibly/Probably Lyme; Survey request

    It's good to know that there are other conditions (Lyme disease,
    fibromyalgia) that have symptoms similar to CFS; it's important to
    distinguish between different conditions, lest a patient waste
    precious time pursuing the wrong treatment.


    I personally believe that there are *some* instances where Lyme
    disease is mistaken for CFS.  This is quite unfortunate since, as
    I've been reading here, Lyme is much more treatable *if* it's
    diagnosed early enough.  HOWEVER, the idea that John promotes, that
    there is no such thing as CFS or fibromyalgia and that everyone who
    has such symptoms is actually a Lyme victim, is without foundation
    and is, quite frankly, absurd.  I am actually rather upset to see the
    promotion of this idea.  It is an immense disservice to those CFS &
    FM patients who do in fact have a serious condition that is different
    from Lyme but who might drop CFS/FM-oriented treatments because
    John's advice sounds reasonable.

You seem to have read much into my postings that was not present in
their writing.  As to foundation, I have provided citations for
a number of articles.

I HAVE been encouraging people to check out the Lyme possibility,
because:

- Left unchecked, Lyme in some cases is very destructive, and progressive;
- The symptoms of Lyme and CFS are essentially indistinguishable;
- There's no objective test available to classify people as "CFS
  (unknown cause)" or "Lyme(same symptoms, spirochetal cause)". The
  classification an individual gets is largely the result of his/her
  physician's background/bias.
- Even late Lyme can be managed, and its progress arrested, if not
  cured, by appropriate antibiotic therapy;
- In this country, Lyme is being underdiagnosed because of attacks by
  physicians (whose motivations I have explored elsewhere) on those
  diagnosing and aggressively treating the disease.  So it's likely
  that many people in the U.S. diagnosed with CFS may have latent Lyme.

And I would not suggest that anyone drop their current course of
treatment.  Treatment for CFS/FM/ME is symptom management.  This is
quite useful, and I have never suggested that it be discontinued.  The
same treatments are used for people diagnosed with chronic Lyme;
indeed, the CFS community has led the way in finding therapies to make
it easier to live with the condition.  Treatment for Lyme, though,
includes therapies targeted at the agent which causes the condition.
If you have that agent in your body, it is important to eradicate or
control it, as the symptom-management therapies do not appreciably
stop the course of the disease.

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From:         fac nancy evans <nancy@LIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Job-search advice wanted

Mary Ann,

I had a work history similar to yours:  Struggled along for awhile, pushing
myself to work, and eventually getting sicker and sicker.  I was teaching
at a University and realized I had to adapt the job somehow.  I began my
changing my job as much as possible:  For example, the department agreed
to let me have only afternoon and evening classes (my best times) and even
allowed me to meet the small seminars at my house.  That worked for awhile,
but even those adaptations became too exhausting eventually.  I then
went on long-term disability leave (being fortunate enough to have disability
insurance through the university).  After simply resting for about a year,
I began searching for ways to change the whole character of my job so I
could do it from home.  There was just no way I could find within my
original dept. to do that:  They were not set up for a "non-traditional"
approach to teaching.  But I found a separate unit at the university that
was very willing to work with me:  I now teach, on a reduced course load,
entirely from home through an "external studies" program, in which students
read my written lectures (rather than seeing me in a classroom) and view
3 videotapes I made (again, from here at home).

I realize not everyone will find a way to fit into the same organization,
as I did.  But I strongly encourage you to look around in your organization
or similar ones nearby for a person who is willing to work with you -- the
staff at the external studies program has been just wonderful about
meeting me more than half way and adjusting to my limitations.  Such people
ARE out there, but they are not easy to find!  Good luck!

Nancy Evans
nancy@lis.pitt.edu
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From:         Dale Drake <DDRAKE@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: sleep
              8 Jan 1993 11:33:18 -0500 from <KEGANRO@HUGSE1.HAR VARD.EDU>

Hi, Kate. RE: sleep, your sleeping problems sound exactly like mine,
particularly the part about the dreaming/waking.  I feel sometimes like I
ought to be writing novels (or sci-fi thrillers, as appropriate) from them.
I've found only one cardinal rule:  I need to maintain very, very regular
sleep patterns. In bed at 10 (no earlier or later), and stay there until
at least 7AM, 8 is better. And, most crucially, a mid-afternoon nap from
1 to 4.  If I stay on that schedule religiously I do pretty well, and
usually only wake up for an hour or two between 2 and 4AM.  If I miss the
nap (the most common occurrence), then I can't sleep the next night ... then
I can't nap ... then can't sleep ...

I tried Nortriptyline early on, but hated it and got off it after about
four months (and boy that was fun - didn't sleep for an entire week while
it wore off).

The only thing I use now is Sleepytime tea ... and yes, it seems to help.
Very strong, either right before bed or at 2AM.

But the biggest thing is getting enough rest.  The more I rest, the better
I sleep.  When Mom comes to visit and cooks and cleans for me, I sleep all
night and feel great!

BTW, how did Christmas go with the family?
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From:         Roger Burns <BFU@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      new LISTSERV help file

I began to write a "brief" help file for CFS-L readers about how to
use LISTSERV, but it got longer than I originally intended, with
additional sections on other network information of interest.

I'd appreciate comments on how useful the file is, and whether a
shorter file as originally intended should be created, perhaps
in addition to the current file as is.  To obtain the file,
create an e-mail message whose subject heading reads
   GET FTP CFS.LISTSERV.HELP
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to SERVER@CU.NIH.GOV .  The file is 287 lines long.

Thanks for any feedback!


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From:         Kriss Davis <CCFXKPD@UCHIMVS1.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      spirulina

What do the microalgaes/spirulinas have in them? (yes,
I know--microalgae!), i.e. vitamins, minerals,
natural immune boosters, amino acids, what?
I would like to know more about the idea behind
using them. How are they supposed to help?
Also, I, like Kate, would like to hear about
other people's experiences, positive, negative, or
neutral. Thanks.
                     ---Betsy
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From: machampi@acs.ucalgary.ca (Mary Ann Champion)
Subject: Job-search advice wanted
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 07:18:54 GMT
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Hi everybody!  

I have a question.  I'm wondering how CFS folks manage their jobs 
and their illnesses.  Several years ago, I was diagnosed with 
Epstein-Barr Syndrome. I followed the literature as most E-B 
sufferers became known as CFS sufferers and assumed that that was 
what I was after I moved to another country and started seeing a 
new doctor.  I didn't even bother to pursue it any further until 
recently because it seemed medicine had little to offer anyway.  
Now I'm told I may have lupus.   
 
Regardless of the actual diagnosis, I have a problem.  Whenever 
I've tried to work full-time or close to it, I've always gotten 
much sicker after just a few months.  Usually, in an effort to 
keep my job and not let anyone down, I've kept pushing myself 
for as long as I could, but in the end, I've  usually gotten too 
sick to work at all.  This wasn't such a problem when I was 
married, but now that I'm on my own, I can't afford to take a few 
months off when I get sick.  I'm not sure I wouldn't still have 
really bad times even if I worked only part-time, but that's what 
I plan to try next.   
 
My question is, how have other people dealt with this with their 
employers?  Has anyone out there gone job-hunting knowing that 
they might be laid low at any time?  Has anyone found an 
understanding employer?  I can't afford to be unemployed for 
much longer but I wonder if anyone would hire someone who's out of 
commission as often as I am.

I'd appreciate hearing other people's experiences or getting some 
advice on handling a job search under the circumstances.  Thanks!

Mary Ann
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