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From: The Maverick <ATAE@spva.physics.imperial.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Khoros, AVS, S+, Mathematica, CDF, Windows NT ?????
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:40:01 GMT

G'Day

I recently asked about Khoros and Satellite data processing, and am
most grateful to Donna at UNM for her help. I am very happy with Khoros 
for image processing and I haven't found anything better. It is hard
to write your own applications but I know you are planning to improve
this in Khoros 2.0. I can't seem to find a single public domain or 
commercial system which is really suited to multiband image, time series, 
sparse matrix, and symbolic processing. I guess it will come along in the 
future but at the moment you need more than one package (eg Khoros and S+,
or AVS, S+, Mathematica, or ...). So maybe my original question should 
have been what other packages does Khoros support and is supported by ? 
I don't just mean data conversion filters. I mean at the level of invoking 
a Khoros application for image processing directly from S+ or AVS or 
Mathematica or SAS etc. using their internal mechanisms. Also there have 
been two main developments in the processing field in general:

	NSSDC Common Data Format has been upgraded and the data model
	can now handle any data type (at any rate any I can think of)

	Windows NT is going to be released shortly

I don't know what the Khoros consortium is considering with regards
to any of these issues. We at ICSTM have no choice but to adopt the
NSSDC and Windows standards or fall behind and become incompatible 
with the rest of the groups in the field. I hope there is an application
developer out there which will help us avoid reinventing the wheel 
(actually I should say re-re-re-re-re...inventing the wheel) and make it
easier to invent new wheels.

	best regards
		Ata <(|)>.
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From: kubica@chama.eece.unm.edu (Steven Kubica)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: funny extract ROI
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:40:43 GMT

Hello,

  On Nov 5, 19:40, Henry Katz wrote:
  } Subject: funny extract ROI
  > Hi Khoros people,
  > 
  > While I was minding my own business I encountered a weirdness using
  > one of the features of the editimage utility (from within cantata). I
  > had put up someone's MRI and had used the ROI panel under the image
  > utilities button in order to perform a Sobel filter on the cerebellum. So
  > I moved the lines for the extract ROI then clicked on the extract button and
  > had a popup warn me that it could't find find the sobel kernel in:
  > 
  > ${KHOROS_HOME}/data/kernels/sobel_x.
  >
  > So obviously, I checked my path, my env var and then the directory and
  > all was present and in order. Where did I goof? Anyone...

You did not goof - this is a bug.  I easily repeated this here at UNM. 
The fix is to change the file $KHOROS_HOME/src/xvroutines/editimage/roi.h 
and modify the line :

   { " vdiff    ", "vdiff",   "-i1",  "-o", "-i2 ${KHOROS_HOME}/data/kernels/sobel_x -i3 ${KHOROS_HOME}/data/kernels/sobel_y" },

to

   { " vdiff    ", "vdiff",   "-i1",  "-o", "-i2 $KHOROS_HOME/data/kernels/sobel_x -i3 $KHOROS_HOME/data/kernels/sobel_y" },

by removing the '{'s and '}'s, and then recompiling.

I'll forward this to khoros-bugs so it gets properly logged.

Thanks,

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From: larsonre@ttown.apci.com (Robert E. Larson)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re:  Khoros, AVS, S+, Mathematica, CDF, Windows NT ?????
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:28:37 GMT
From: Coral Bernier <coral@u.washington.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: SGI without a C compiler
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:12:17 GMT


KHOROS Users,

I have an SGI Iris Indigo on which I have installed the
KHOROS binaries. This machine does not have a C compiler but I
wish to install a new module. I do have remote access to another
machine which does not have the khoros system but does have a
C compiler. 

What do I need as a minimum on the remote machine in order to
compile the new khoros module?

Do I generate the Makefile within ghostwriter (it didn't like it
very well since it could not locate cc)?

Will I be able to install toolbox routines on my machine (I was not
able to using the tutorial provided by Carla Williams)?

Another very (perhaps) trivial question ... where does the basic
C program go into the pipeline (how is it used to generate the .prog
file).


I will appreciate any responses

Coral
From: castalia@gaea.lpl.arizona.edu (Bradford Castalia)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: editimage pixel values
Date: 9 Nov 92 03:09:56 GMT


When using the pixels_subform in editimage to display the pixel values
in a small region of the image, I find that the central value listed
(or any value listed, for that matter) does not match the value listed
below the main image display (in the X x Y = Z format). What's
happening here?

When VIFF image of float data (which was created from a raw byte raster
file converted to VIFF with raw2viff and then changed to float data
with vconvert) is displayed directly by editimage, the data is
normalized to the range 0-255 (as per the little warning dialog box
that pops up). When the interactive LUT subform is opened with the
resulting image, the horizontal axis of the graphs goes from 0 to 255
as expected. When the same source image is first converted to data type
byte (using vconvert with normalization 255) and then displayed with
editimage, the horizontal axis of the interactive LUTs are do not go
from 0 to 255 as expected (they range from 30 to 137 instead). Am I
missing something?

Thnx,

Bradford Castalia                      castalia@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu
Systems Manager                        (602) 621-6946
Planetary Image Research Laboratory    (602) 621-4824
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From: gaoli@bme.utmem.edu
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: (none)
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:07:56 GMT

cc:
Subject:
--------
Thank you for your help with my last questions.

Now, I have problems with printing out manuals.

1. I am using Ultrix R4.2, the roff processor here are "roffbib" and
"nroff". I don't know how to chose which one.

2. The printer available here is "DEClaser 1100", I don't know the
printer name of it. because when I run "prnmanual" program, it ask for
a printer name.

3. I haven't found the "charpter.ps.Z" file in "manual" directory, now
I use the files in "hardcopy" directory. what is the difference between
these two diretories?

Your early help will be very much appreciated. Thank you very much.

Gaoli


My E-mail address is gaoli@bme.utmem.edu
From: JEROME+aMacWP%WPOFFICE@mcimail.com (Jerome Broekhuijsen)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: khoros info
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:48:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.41600

I got this internet address from your hotline (277-6563).  I have
formed a graphics research group at WordPerfect Corp. and am
looking into acquiring some software libraries for our graphics
and image processing research.  I have ordered from Sun
Microsystems (but not yet received) the SunVision library.  It
seems possible that the functionality in KHOROS obviates the need
for the SunVision library.  Should I find that to be the case
before my order arrives, I will cancel my order for SunVision. 
Please give me information regarding KHOROS and, if possible, a
comparison against the functionality found in AVS and apE.

I can be reached by phone from 8:00 AM to 3:00 PM (MST) or
through e-mail.  If it is possible, please respond by 3:00 PM
this Friday (13 Nov.) -- I will be out of the office Monday
through Wednesday of next week (16 - 18 Nov.).  Thanks!

Jerome A. Broekhuijsen
WordPerfect Corporation
1555 N. Technology Way, Mail Stop B-213
Orem, UT  84057
(801) 222-5141
From: arots@xebec.gsfc.nasa.gov (Arnold Rots)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: Applicability of Khoros to basic flowgrams
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:54:50 GMT

As far as getting the rest of the documentation: the easiest thing
might be to look in the hardcopy directory under pub/khoros on
pprg.eece.unm.edu.  Get its contents, untar it, and print what you
(think you) need, after uncompressing.

It seems to me that Khoros can certainly do what you want.  There are
some different ways to go about it.  If you want to use your existing
executables, all you have to do is provide a UIS file for each of them;
however, if the Unix command syntax differs from Khoros's conventions,
you may have to generate a translation script which you can then
reference in the UIS files.  A different approach would be to take
your existing code and put a Khoros wrapper around it; if your code
is sufficiently generic, this should be a trivial exercise.

I would think that you definitely want to take a look at Chapter 5 in
Volume 1 (Editimage) and Chapters 1, 2, and 11 of Volume 2 of the
manual set.  There also is a recipe for writing and installing new
Khoros modules; I believe it lives somewhere in the misc subdirectory
under pub/khoros.  And don't forget the FAQs.

I am not quite sure what you mean by the user writing routines in a
compilable language.  The user-programmer can certainly write new
modules in C (for instance).  The exclusively-user can construct
workspaces and save them, so one does not have to start from scratch
every time, but build up a repertoire of canned procedures.  And, yes,
one can nest workspaces.

The existing Khoros modules can be used if you put your image arrays
through one of the provided data conversion filters.

If you want to stop by here for a chat or a demo, feel free.

Hope this helps,


  - Arnold Rots


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From: Bernhard.Schneck@physik.tu-muenchen.de
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Khoros on a Germanized system ...
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:35:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.41474

I had some problems today porting Khoros to an IBM RS6k running a `Germanized'
version of AIX.  (These were *NOT* Khoros problems, I just wanted to warn
folks who might use Khoros on non-english locale machines)

- Khoros uses scanf(3) to read numbers in panes and/or from the UI files.
  When using the German locale, it wanted to see a `,' (comma) instead of a
  `.' (decimal point) in floating point numbers, so I got lots of errors
  eg. from Cantata when pressing the `run' button.

  Cure: setenv LANG en_US

- The machine could not play back journals correctly, the German keyboard
  has Umlaut-[AOUaou] instead of []{}\|.  To get the curly braces et al
  you have to use an `alt gr' key (usually just right of the space bar)
  and the X key symbol tables are configured for that.  The journal
  playback code does not know about that.

  Cure: ??

Conclusion: *NEVER* buy a `Germanized' (or any other national language)
  version of your operating system :-)

\Bernhard.
From: ebrahimi@av.crl.sony.co.jp (Ebrahimi)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Khoros on Sony-News workstations.
Date: 11 Nov 92 06:33:39 GMT
Organization: Sony Corporation, Corporate Research Laboratories, Tokyo, Japan.


Hi,

I am trying to install Khoros package on a Sony News workstation
with RISC architecture. Unfortunately, I could not get it compiled
on my machine. I was wondering if somebody has already tried to
compile Khoros on these machines. I will appreciate any kind of information,
pointers, or suggestions on this.

Thanks in advance.


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Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
From: lruiz@gumbo (Luis A. Ruiz - res. assoc)
Subject: Problem displaying a classification
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-28840]: gumbo.age.lsu.edu
Organization: Louisiana State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:09:06 GMT


Hi!

	I am trying to classify some images using cantata and, when I want to display them, I get an error message with the routine xvd_initialize_colormap:
"Can only display images with a map storage type of byte".

	The steps I follow are:

	- CONVERT raw > VIFF (short)
	- CONVERT type float
	- IMG ANALYS classif K-means, getting a cluster image and stats file.
	- CONVERT- map & LUT's- Map data thru map.
	- OUTPUT - display images, using input img, colormap img.
	(I also tried converting the colormap image file to type byte).

I'm just starting with Khoros and I'd appreciate any advise to solve this problem.
Thanks in advance,

Luis
Dept Agricultural Engineering, LSU
From: JANZ%PLWRTU11.BITNET@searn.sunet.se
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: (none)
Date: 6 Nov 92 07:20:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.41496

Prof. Jan Zarzycki
Wroclaw Technical University
Institute of Telecommunication and Acoustics
Signal Theory Section
Wybrzeze Wyspianskiego 27
50-370 Wroclaw, POLAND
Fax: 48 71 223473

Dear Sirs,

We would like to order the following item:

  * Khoros system for HP 9000/750, HP-UX 8.05
    (DDS 4mm tape and docomentation)

Unfortunately, the only way we can send the money is via
bank to bank transfer. To make such a transfer we need the
proforma invoice with signature and company stamp and your
account number. All is requested by our bank authorities.
We will feel very gratefull for faxing it, rather than
sending it via air mail. Please include the shipping charge
in proforma invoice and send us mentioned item after
receiving the money.

Yours sincerely
Jan Zarzycki
From: nimrod@noga.technion.ac.il (Nimrod Peleg)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Repost: A problem with an NCD X-win Terminal
Date: 12 Nov 92 11:30:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.41616


 
 Hello there,
 
 Two month ago (on September 10'th) you received and published in the
 Daily mail digestification a mail from me about a problem with my NCD
 X-Window Terminal (It happens when I try to edit the 'Raw to Viff'
 gliph) .
 Since then I've heard nothing from you.
 
 Can you assist me with this problem ?
 
 
 Thank's 
 Nimrod Peleg
 Technion IIT
From: "Lehar" <lehar@macmail.ektron.kodak.com>
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: geton_mailing
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:37:06 GMT

To: khoros@chama.eece.unm.edu
from: lehar@ektron.kodak.com

11 nov 92

Please put me on the khoros mailing list.  Thanks
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
From: k2@bl.physik.tu-muenchen.de (Klaus Steinberger)
Subject: Re: KHOROS --> HP DeskJet 500c (color !)
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:08:36 GMT

jogl@merry.imsd.rwth-aachen.de (Joachim Glaubrecht  #Alwd#) writes:

> KHOROS --> viff2pbm --> ppmdither --> ppmtodj --> DeskJet 500c
>~~~~~~~~                                          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Does anyone of you know a better way ?
Yes, this would give nice results:

KHOROS --> vpostscr --> ghostscript --> DeskJet 500c

You should use the newest release of ghostscript (2.5.2), as it
has a really nice dithering algorithm for its deskjet driver.

Sincerely,
Klaus

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From: maurer@s14.es.llnl.gov (Bill Maurer 510 423-7866)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: geographical information systems
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:26:27 GMT

Tell me more. Please.

bill
From: JEROME+aMacWP%WPOFFICE@mcimail.com (Jerome Broekhuijsen)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: khoros info
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:40:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.41621

Attention:  Shawn Larson

Thanks for your quick response -- your package seems really
exciting.  You offered to send me a packet of Khoros info -- I'd
like to take you up on this offer.  There was one issue from the
press release that you sent to me that I had a question about: 
does the $250 for documentation and media buy you anything beyond
what can be obtained by anonymous ftp?

...jerome
From: gaoli@bme.utmem.edu
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: (none)
Date: 8 Nov 92 04:54:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: pprg.41539

cc:
Subject:
--------
I am a UT student. Now, Iam trying to install the khoros system on DEC machine.
BUt I encounted some problems. I hope you could help me with the following.
1. I check the KHOROS_HOME/data,there isn't a "image" subdirectory, so
I can not run " putimage -i KHOROS_HOME/data/image/ball.xv " to show
this system to my classmates.
2. I am not able to get the "include" files from you. How can I get these?
3.On my computer, there is not a xrdb command. How can I do "xrdb .Xdefaults"

Your early answer will be very much apprecisted.
Thank you for you assistance in advance.

gaoli
From: xm8@sdcc12.ucsd.edu (patrick k. simpson)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Neural Network Code
Keywords: Neural Networks
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:43:31 GMT

Has anyone created neural network modules for Khoros
and if so, for what nets and are you willing to share?

I will post the responses if there is enough volume,
but please response to me directly by e-mail
	Patrick K. Simpson
	xm8@sdcc12.ucsd.edu

Thanks in advance,

Pat
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros,sci.image.processing
From: mathew@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Mathew Yeates)
Subject: new version of RLAB
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:10:34 GMT

I will shortly be announcing version 0.2 of RLAB, a Khoros toolkit for image
reconstruction, recognition and registration. I have fixed a few bugs
and added several routines. The one you might be most interested in,
and the one I am most reluctant to release, is a program called
morphtool. This is a hack of the Khoros routine Warpimage. It takes
to images and creates a sequence of images with the first slowly 
turning into the second. You have to supply the tie points. I wrote
this for the fun of it and didnt spend too much effort on it. Like
I said, its a hack.

I have been informed that I can only distribute BETA versions so
I was sure to leave plenty of bugs in! The next release will contain
only bug fixes so let me know what needs fixing.

Mathew Yeates
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
From: JGR@ECLX.PSU.EDU (Jim Reisman)
Subject: Re: Gabor Transform routine
Organization: Penn State Engineering Computer Lab
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 03:33:31 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

pradeep@engin.umich.edu writes:
 
> Has anyone written the routine to compute the Gabor Transform of an
> image? I'd appreciate if someone could give me a pointer to it. 
> 

  I would also be interested in this.

Jim Reisman
Penn State University
Department of Electrical Engineering
jgr@eclx.psu.edu
From: donna@peabody.eece.unm.edu (Donna Koechner-G)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: Installing a routine in cantata
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:38:08 GMT

On Nov 8,  9:37pm, Pradeep Jain wrote:
} Subject: Installing a routine in cantata
} I have a program which runs fine from command line. I am trying to install
} the program so that I can use it as a permenant glyph in cantata. I have
} already installed it as a temporary glyph, and that worked fine too. When 
} I used kinstall, there were a lot of errors and nothing was installed.
} 
} Here is what I did:
} 
} kinstall -name vhough -conf vhough.conf -force 1
} 
} [Btw, the program is hough transform for line detection which I got 
} from  Jean-Pierre Guerin <jpguerin@chouette.saclay.cea.fr> (Thanks
} Jean-Pierre)]
} 
} Is it possible that other users can use the program without having it 
} in khoros main directory? I guess that the errors were due to the fact
} that it wasn't able to copy files to KHOROS_HOME. Do I need superuser
} previlege for installing a routine in cantata? Could someone send me 
} a tutorial for installing a routing in cantata?

Hi Pradeep,

New routines should be installed in a toolbox rather than in the core Khoros 
directory structure.  Creation and maintenance of Toolboxes are covered 
in Volume II, chapter 11 (Kraftsman).   Also, Carla Williams wrote a
tutorial on writing and installing (non-X) routines in khoros.  It covers 
installing a routine in a toolbox, and integrating its user interface into 
the cantata form.  The files vroutine_tutorial and README.vroutine_tutorial
are available via anonymous ftp from pprg.eece.unm.edu.  They are located 
in the directory pub/khoros/contrib.

Donna


} 
} Thanks a lot.
} 
} Pradeep
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From: sauer@chama.eece.unm.edu (Tom Sauer)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros
Subject: Re: xprism3 axes annotation prob
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:14:35 GMT

On Nov 3, 10:35, Gordon Cameron wrote:
} Subject: xprism3 axes annotation prob.
>> Apologies if this is a naive question #:-)
>> 
>> When I rotate an image in Xprism3, the text for the axes labels also
>> (not surprisingly) gets rotated, and becomes illegible in many
>> positions.
>> 
>> Any pointers as to how to get round this,
>> 	Many thanks,
>> 	-Gordon.
>> 
>> - -- 
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>> c|c Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre |     Email: gordonc@epcc.ed.ac.uk
>>     oOo The University of Edinburgh oOo |    'So far so good, so now so what'
}-- End of excerpt from Gordon Cameron


Unfortunately there is no way to get around this. Here's a suggestion,
you could remove the axis labels, rotate the plot then use annotations
to relable the plot. This is very painfull, but will work.

Thanks,

Tom


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