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From: "Greg J. Pryzby" <gjp@virtech.vti.com>
Subject: TicketBastards Article in City Paper (Wash DC)
Reply-To: gjp@virtech.vti.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:06:50 GMT

For those who live in the DC area, pick up a copy of the City Paper. On
page 8 there is a discussion of how the surcharges are calculated and
why Wolf Trap (yea for them) uses Protix instead.

From Washington City Paper, Vol 12 No 31 July 13- Aug 6 
(reprinted w/o permission)

    There's also no question that TicketMaster and its ilk have changed
    concertgoing: Gone are the days when rock 'n' roll fans took days 
    off from work to camp outside the box office. Also gone, argues Bob
    Grossweiner, senior editor of the entertainment trade mag Performace,
    is the "socialization"-- i.e., schmoozing-- that was part of the fun.
    But Grossweiner believes ticket services have improved the concert 
    experience in other ways, namely by making it more convenient. 
    "Computerized tickets enhanced availability of ticket-buying," he
    says. "The outrageous price is a necessary evil."

It also tells "why" you still pay service charges when you buy the tickets
in person.

-- 
Greg Pryzby                                               uunet!virtech!gjp
Virtual Technologies, Inc.                                gjp@vti.com
Sterling, Virginia
Herbivores ate well cause their food didn't never run. -- Jonathan Fishman
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From: s3583045@titan.ucc.umass.edu (John Greene)
Subject: Re: HORDE Portland
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:28:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.024703.25688@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> roek@feldspar.egr.msu.edu (Daniel Roek) writes:
>Apt. Q238 is ARU's drummer's name.  Fish doesn't like playing
>after him 'cause Fish thinks this guy blows him away.  However,
>Fish played one of his best shows in Chicago after ARU.

Also... Q238 is the only person that Fish will allow to play his drums.
I guess he really digs him :-)

-jg

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>Dan
From: roek@emerald.egr.msu.edu (Daniel Roek)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: Finger Lakes Performing Arts Center
Date: 27 Jul 92 04:47:13 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University

In article <1992Jul26.184333.1990@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, jxr1092@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Jens Rodenberg) writes:

|> P.S. Why doesn't anybody like Phish/Dead comparisons?  Don't they both have
|>      a bearded guitar player/singer who wears glasses?    8-)

The bands' styles are extremely different.  Saying they're the same is like saying
Beethoven and Stravinsky are the same.  They're not, beyond having the same 
instrumentation and (some of) the same influences.  (IMHO)

Dan

PS>  I agree w/ the people who try to compare Zappa & Phish, although I may be
	biased 'cause my first Phish tape had "Peaches In Regalia" on it.  The two
	are also similar in their approach to music in general, as far as I can tell
	from reading Trey's interviews and Zappa's autobiography.
From: vosshall@apple.com (Pete Vosshall)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Phish Tour Information
Date: 25 Jul 92 19:57:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

From: Hotline, July 23, 1992

Opening for Santana: (50 minute opening slot. Note: taping will not be allowed 
at these shows.  Phish will be starting fairly early each night. Often by 7:30,
sometimes earlier.  Call the venue to verify. All shows are all ages shows) 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
7/25:  Stowe, Vermont -- Stowe Performing Arts Center
          Be prepared for serious traffic problems.  Leave early!!
7/26:  *** Note change of show *** 
          Paterson, New York -- Big Birch Concert Pavillion
7/27:  Saratoga Springs, New York -- Saratoga Performing Arts Center
7/28:  Rochester, New York -- Finger Lakes Performing Arts Center
7/30:  Rochester Hills, Michigan -- Meadow Brook Music Fesival
7/31:  Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio --  Blossom Music Center
8/1:   Hoffman Estates, Illinois -- Poplar Creek Music Theatre
8/2:   *** Note change of show *** 
          Maryland Heights, Missouri -- River Port Performing Arts Center
8/13:  Los Angeles, California -- Greek Theatre
8/14:  Los Angeles, California -- Greek Theatre
8/15:  Los Angeles, California -- Greek Theatre

Headline show
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
8/17:  San Juan Capistrano, California -- Coach House (all ages)

Opening for Santana:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
8/19:  Tuscon, Arizona  -  Pima County Fair
8/20:  Las Cruces, New Mexico -- Pan American Center
8/23:  Pueblo, Colorado -- Colorado State Fair
8/24:  Vail, Colorado -- Gerald Ford Amphitheater 
8/25:  Santa Fe, NM -- Sante Fe Downs
8/27:  Santa Barbara, California -- Santa Barbara County Bowl
8/28:  Concord, California -- Concord Pavilion
8/29:  Mountain View, California -- Shoreline Amphitheater
8/30:  Squaw Valley (on Lake Tahoe), California -- Squaw Valley Music Festival
           (Tickets available from BASS starting 7/19)
		   Also playing: Indigo Girls, Los Lobos


Fall Plans:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Phish will be recording a new album in the fall for release in early 1993.
Expect Junta to be re-released by Elektra in the early fall.
	

        Phish
        505 Main Street
        Watertown, Ma.  02172

        hotline: (617) 923-4939


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From: MH1406@student.law.duke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: HenryPetras' Posting
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:28:11 GMT
Reply-To: MH1406@student.law.duke.edu
Organization: The Internet


    Henry has put up a post that distills into about this:  a request
for "discretion" in our postings, followed by a long description of
the glory and power of phishnet (that was meant to be a humurous
phrase, not sarcastic ;+} ).  Then comes a very sad story about how
some irresponsible journalist couldn't get off the GDead/drugs kick
in an interview, claimed phishnet as his/her source, and wrote an
unflattering (or at least misrepresented) article.
    So here's the question - just what sort of "discretion" is it
that you are advising?  This isn't a flame, just trying to figure out
what your idea/focus is and whether there is any merit in it.  Two
things seem to have piqued you - the GDead and hallucinogenics.  I
must say, for starters, that there has been far less talk about drugs
on this group than on several other music posting boards.  There s
certainly hasn't been any threads that run, "I like Phish on
mushrooms" "I prefer acid" "Actually morning glory seeds work best."
It's not like the net has been some sort of tutorial on combining
Phish and psycedelics.
    The same holds true for the GDead comparisons.  Anyone who reads
more than one day's posting can easily tell that most of the people
on the group either don't like the GDead comparison, or have a
relatively narrow area of application (i.e. "Yeah, both bands allow
taping, change setlists, tour a lot, and do something different in
the second set.  After that . . .").  We do not spend our time
saying, "Phish is the new Grateful Dead" over and over again like
some mantra.
    So where does that leave us?  Henry requests "discretion" so that
the sick warpings of the British reporter won't occur again.  But I
don't think the posting here has been so damaging that the occasional
drug story should not be posted, and I see no reason to alter band
comparison debates because of the irresponsibility of the media (they
are the media, you know).
    I sympathize with Henry's tale, and understand the impetus behind
his comments.  I just don't think there is any justifiable or
definable line that can be drawn to add "discretion" to one's
postings.  I think we've been pretty responsible so far, and see no
reason why that won't continue in the future.
    Just my views . . .
                    Control for smilers can't be bought
 Matt
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From: "Rich Fromm - 'Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.'  29-Jul-1992 1010" <fromm@tecrus.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: Fee on NEW Lawn Boy!
Reply-To: fromm@tecrus.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:05:23 GMT

Jeff Maggard (btdy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu) writes:

|The only way I can think of that one could rescue Fee from his evil fate would
|be to read the disc with a CD-ROM unit, re-write the sub-coding (somehow) with
|a computer,and then either 1) play Fee through some MIDI device, or 
|2) download the entire disc to DAT.  

if what your hypothesizing is true (and i wouldn't find it too hard to believe), 
you could hypothetically do something like this, but MIDI would have nothing to 
do with it; to the best of my knowledge, the MIDI format has absolutely nothing 
to do with the digital audio format (known as AES3-1985, i think) used on CD's 
and DAT

- rich

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From: "David A. Craig" <trey@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu>
Subject: sound?
Reply-To: trey@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 06:54:07 GMT


what's the story nowadays about whose equipment opening bands use?  specifically
i'm curious about the phish/santana scenario, but  in all honesty the thought i  
was prompted by the absolutely wretched sound blues traveler produced when they
played in santa barbara, compared with the crystalline clarity of the allman
brothers.  no changes of satacks or w=hatever were noticred by me tween sets.
who's on the inside?
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From: STAFFORD@hycad5.dnet.hac.com
Subject: Lawn Boy
Reply-To: STAFFORD@hycad5.dnet.hac.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:07:28 GMT

___L A W N   B O Y___

SQUIRMING COIL - Very smooth in a top 40 kind of way.
REBA - In the middle of the jam, It sounds like Jeff Beck from the '70s.
MY SWEET ONE - Yee Hah! Nice vocal harmonies. Arranged like 'Poor Heart'.
SPLIT OPEN AND MELT - Funky beat. Overdubbing and 'chick' vocals make it.
THE OH KEE PAH CEREMONY - Very hilarious lyrics.  I'll have another beer.
BATHTUB GIN - Sounds like farting in the bathtub(Fishman on Electrolux?)
              More and more folks in the tub each time.  I know some smelly
              people who should listen to this and take a bath more often.
RUN LIKE AN ANTELOPE - Very hot, non-stop jamming.  For some reason this
              reminds me of Frank Zappa's 'Call Any Vegetable'.
LAWN BOY - Just close your eyes and smell it.  Jazzy.
BOUNCING ROUND THE ROOM - This one is a round (row your boat) and seems to
              literally send sound around and around the room.

Jack.
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From: nge1_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Nate Geryk)
Subject: Posting Gifs?
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 21:56:10 GMT

I was wondering what the rule is on posting gifs and other picture
formats to the phish.net. I know the people getting the digest wouldn't
want to look at a lot of garbage code.
If there is a way to post, could someone tell me the proper way to do it.
thanks alot.
-Nate G.
From: gertben@ocf.berkeley.edu (Benjamin Gertner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: squaw
Date: 27 Jul 1992 22:17:55 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul27.203542.765@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> trey@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu writes:
>so what's going on here? 
>
>more theories? at least if i can't get my tickets i can keep myself occupied ....

Sorry to delete all your great theories :-) but I think I have a more
scientific theory. From what I've heard, they couldn't get a permit
to have the concerts at Squaw because of a lack of water and fire risk,
so they're looking for another location. Wait a minute! Didn't Shelly
already post this? Anyways, I called BASS yesterday and they had a message,
saying that they would have info. if they found a new venue, but it looks
like Squaw Valley is out. :-( Let's hope for the best though!

-Ben

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From: ijoseph@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Isaac Josephson)
Subject: ride to 8/1 show??
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:35:00 GMT


	Here I am, back again and begging for a ride to the 8/1 show. Come on,
there has to be someone in Chicago going to the show!

isaac josephson
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From: "Timothy J. Dalton" <dalton@mtl.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: Shokra in Boston
Reply-To: dalton@mtl.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:12:37 GMT


Don't you mean JULY for all those dates, not JUNE...

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From: gertben@ocf.berkeley.edu (Benjamin Gertner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Re: squaw
Date: 23 Jul 1992 20:05:47 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: locusts.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul23.064534.17801@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> trey@sbphy.physics.ucsb.edu writes:
>
>shell, somebody at BGP is toyin' with you (us, ...........).   but i think any
>one who's tried to get respectable information out of them before about other
>band's shows could verify that it isn't exactly unprecedented, yes?  you gotta
>want it, you gotta want it BAD, and you better know who's in charge . . . .

I went to my local Tower Records on Tuesday when I thought tickets were
going on sale, and the girl there hadn't even heard of the Squaw Valley
Music Festival and the computer drew a blank. Then I called BASS and they
said tickets go on sale on the 24th. That's tomorrow, Friday. That's the
first time anyone at BASS has claimed to know anything about this, so I'll
take it as true. I think tickets for one day are around $30, but I'm 
getting a weekend pass at $59.50 plus whatever crazy charges thay can think
of. It'll be worth every cent!

-Ben

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: samuels@matia.stanford.edu (Steve Samuels)
Subject: Glaciers and Phish fans... we are everywhere!
Organization: Psychology Dept, Stanford Univ.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:23:35 GMT


So I'm in Montana for a family get-together (Montana being a somewhat
centralized location between CA, NY, NC, and MT) to celebrate two
birthdays, an anniversary, and a baby-shower.  The clan Samuels had
decided to tie-in the happy occasions with a trip to Glacier National
Park.  Being supremely unhappy with the beer selection during dinner, I
ventured into the bar at the Many Glaciers Lodge inside the park to see
if perhaps they had something more appetizing.  Their selection was also
disappointing, so I was turned to leave when suddenly the strains of
Lawn Boy caught my attention...

Surprised as all get-out, I turned back, stating, "I can't believe that
a Montana radio station would be playing Phish."  The guy behind the bar
looked at me incredulously and asked how I knew about Phish!  It seemed
that the lodge's summer staff are mostly college students from around
the country, and one guy had turned him onto Phish.  However, all he had
heard was the studio music.  Watching his still surprised look turn into
one of utter disbelief, I reached into my pack and came up with set II
of the '92 Santa Barbara show!  Telling him I was leaving tomorrow,
so needed it back by then, I left my address for trading, and a
guarantee that studio phish is kinda like frozen yogurt... it ain't bad,
but there's just no comparison to the real thing!! ;^)

We Are Everywhere!

HammaH
Phish tapes... don't leave home without them
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From: "Rich Fromm - 'Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.'  23-Jul-1992 1520" <fromm@tecrus.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Sparkle = Laughing Fall Apart (was Re: Great Woods - 7/21/92)
Reply-To: fromm@tecrus.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:16:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.051106.673@nic.umass.edu> s3583045@titan.ucc.umass.edu 
(John Greene) writes:
...
|Sparkle

HAROLD (justin@galaxia.network23.com (Justin Brierley)) writes:

|They didn't play Sparkle, it was Laughing Fall Apart. Unless it's the same
|song and I'm just stupid.

It is the same song (although I am near certain that the correct title is 
Sparkle).
No your not stupid.

- Rich

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From: Matt Laurence <mlaurenc@world.std.com>
Subject: Re:  Phish Digest #449
Reply-To: mlaurenc@world.std.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:12:50 GMT

While we're more or less on the subject of Bela Fleck, anyone
know if the band'll be coming up around Boston way? I have 
hearn no mention of it, but I'd REALLY love to see them, and
since it looks like Squaw Valley isn't going to happen, I'm going
to need to catch each of these bands on their own (*heavy sigh*).
Any info leading to the capture of these dangerous indivduals would
be greatly appreciated.

Matt

P.S. ROBERT JOHNSON! GET IN TOUCH WITH ME!!!!!

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From: Ellis of Lemuria <jeg5s@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Subject: GIANT SCREEN??
Reply-To: jeg5s@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:29:06 GMT

A few posts ago mentioned that Phish (and, I suppose, Santana) were projected
onto a large screen, either above or beside the stage.  It would seem
ludicrous to do that projecting and NOT film, so I assume someone somewhere
has it down.  I also noticed filming at Merriwhether.  Is this general
preservation, or plans for specific use?  Is is Santana or Phish
generated/focused?  Trey, and I think Mike, too, have made comments about
being anti-MTV/video-crap (which makes great sense); but is stuff being
edited together for promotion, or an edited release, or off-month
entertainment, or .... well.... what?  -- Ellis


ELLIS OF LEMURIA  email: jeg5s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
   snail mail: P.O. Box 3240, Charlottesville, VA 22903
     +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
motto: keep smiling, gliding, and riding that train!!  :-)
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From: Scott Bernstein <bernstei@remus.rutgers.edu>
Subject: Mtv's week in Rock
Reply-To: bernstei@remus.rutgers.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:35:54 GMT

Anybody else catch this week's week in rock???

Footage was presented of the Jones Beach Horde --

Blues Traveler doing Mullin' it Over
Spin Doctors doing 2 Princes (I Think)
Spins and Traveler jamming together
and Phish doing Bouncing around the room....

Each of the 3 bands was interviewed in the segment also......
Of course they brought up (once again) a comparison between
each of the bands and the Dead, as well as asking the bands about
it......

To tell you the truth, it seems to me that ONLY the media seem
to be portraying this image......Nobody who I know who has
seen any of these bands ever comes up with any comparison between
the bands and the Dead....HMMMMMMMMMMMM........

Maybe some clever marketing ploy dreamed up by some record company
execs to start lumping these bands together as Dead influenced
bands..................

Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Matt Laurence <mlaurenc@world.std.com>
Subject: Re:  Phish Digest #446
Reply-To: mlaurenc@world.std.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:58:38 GMT

|>>Me and my buddy were talking yesterday and we would really like to see a
|>>double live album featuring stuff that you can't get on record.

|>That sounds like a DAMN good idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

|It's a good idea, but tapes of shows are free and widely available
|so probably a live record or CD wouldn't do very well for
|Phish or Elektra, money-wise

I must disagree. Do you for a minute think that a live, CD quality album
of Phish's music would go unpurchased? Listen to what you're saying! The
target audience is a die-hard group of thousands, each of which is more
than willing to run out and buy ANY material phish releases. And there are
a good number of phans out there who are not as well connected as we on
the net are, and would most likely kill or die to hear that great tune 
about the lizards that they saw at their first show, y'know? (that was
my reaction to MY first show anyway - forutnately they played it the
next night while I was taping, and then I started teh PhishNet and was 
drowned in more tapes than I could ever possibly handle). I know that,
despite my 150+ live phish tapes, I would instantly buy a live Phish
Cd, partyly because I know the guys' standards, and the only live 
material they would let out on album would be of absolutely sparkling
top quality. That's reason enough. Also the fact the each show is
unique would be a good fact, and even if I already had that show, there
would certainly be things on the CD I wouldn't hear on my tape. Plus,
if nothing else, I know a HUGE group that would buy said album JUST to
support the band and prove to them that we still exist and are 100% behind
them even if they do get misrepresented by MTV and misunderstood by the
majority of the world.

To sum up, this idea has been bandied about for a LONG time, on and off,
and I still think it's a great idea. I'd buy it!

Matt
From: bagpipe@reed.edu!bagpipe.reed.edu!sclapper (Sasha McCarthy Clapper)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: west coast shows
Date: 24 Jul 92 08:26:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: bagpipe.m0mBKyn-000FO0C
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR


well, it seems that the ogre who lives in my basement has discarded  
my copy of the summer schedule and I was wondering if any helpful  
soul might inform me of the dates, locations, etc of the upcoming  
shows out here on the west coast. It would make me really really  
happy. 


--

 sasha                                           How did you know  
that we
 sclapper@reed.edu                               were all made out of  
stone?                                       

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