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From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: [ answer ] How is IFCSS's president elected?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na  
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:06:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.172031.22719@news.acns.nwu.edu> zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin) writes:
>In article <BxHB42.1IG@acsu.buffalo.edu> xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>>The election precedure of the IFCSS president is VERY similar to 
>>the US president election. 
>>
>>First US president election: each state chooses electors who will
>>vote for the voters in the state. These electors will meet and cast
>>votes in December in Washington DC. The votes from the electors are
>>called electoral votes. The popular votes may be different than the
>>electoral votes, which happened to the 11th and 29th presidents. 
>>
>>The IFCSS president election: each school chooses electors who will 
>>vote for the voters in the school. These electors will meet and cast
>>votes in the IFCSS conference. There is no manpower to calculate the
>>popular votes so they are usually unknown.
>>
>>[ School = the Chinese Students and Scholar Association in the school. ]
>>
>>This year, Bill Clinton only receives 43% of the popular votes and only
>>54% of people voted. I wonder if Bill Clinton only represents 43% times
>>54% = 23% of Americans. 
>>
>>-- 
>>xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu | Subscribe Chinese Poem Exchange and Discussion List 
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>
>  I think your description of U.S. election are wrong, I'm quite sure (not
>positive though).  Here is the way it works (again, not positively sure):
>  If a presidential candidate win the popular votes in this state, he will
>carry all the electoral voters this state owns.  For a example , Bill Clinton
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

that's true for most of the states, but a few do split their electoral
votes by congressional districts or whatever.


>beats George Bush and Ross Perot in Illinois with a 55%(?) popular votes, he
>then carries the state's 25(?) voters.  In the end, all voters from all 50
>states add up, whoever wins the majority voters (270) wins the election
>regardless of popular votes.  If not, then the delegates from all states will
>meet in December and vote for president.  So your description will only be
>true if no candidate wins the majority voters, and the state delegates are
>more than 1 each state depending on the population of the state.  This only
>happened (actually about to) in an early election, when Adam (first name?)
>didnot win the majority but got a cast-over from another candidate and
>finished with required voters.  
>  All these are just from top of my head, any comments welcome.
>
>  Brian
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Sunday, 8 Nov 1992 22:57:42 EST
From: <IO10656@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: united

Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Sunday, 8 Nov 1992 17:19:03 EST
From: <IO10656@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: let's help each other

Today I got a message that some chinese scholars and students have
founded an organization "North American Geologist Association"?(some
thing like that)> I think it is a very good start since right now
the students like me who are not covered by S1216 need to be organized
desperately in order to face our tough situation.
I believe most of the chinese students who got here not so long and had
not strong enough social relation suffered a lot about job hunting or
legal immigration status preservation.We need help.
Again I believe it is better to beg to ourself than to other people.
Any way we are not stupid. If we start to work togather in stead of
complaint ,waiting and panic-stricken, our life will be more positive
and new chinese students can suffer less. I don'n want isolate ourself
from the   help provided by other group of people.Relying on ourself
should be the most important.
I hope the chinese students who are majored in social science can give
us some better ideas and can put forward some detail suggestion about
how to organize us and how this orgnization should function.

We are weak,so we should be united. Learn something from Japanese.
From: zzhang@soliton.rutgers.edu (ZhiZhong Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Repost: Don't respond to Yeh!
Date: 7 Nov 92 04:55:38 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

ac32d54@laplace.eng.wayne.edu writes:

>	Every time you respond to Yeh's posting, you give the attention
>this freak desperately wanted.

>Disclaimer: I believe he/she has the right to express his/her opinion, 
>	    sane or insane.

I agree whole heartedly! 
I am sure glad to see that fewer and fewer people are following up
article by certain people! If we keep restraining ourselves, we will
have a much cleaner newsgroup! Thank you all for displaying good
manners!
ZZZ
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wnf_222@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu
Subject: Re: Anniversary for the Halloween Tragedy in University of Iowa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:28:52 GMT
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa

> |> albeit not-very-serious ones. The question that has bothered me ever since
> |> I heard the story is that why those FORMER and PRESENR UI students, who who
> |> know those people involved in the tragedy, to tell us the truth? It seems to
> |> me there are a lot of versions of the story. Why do not you tell us what
> |> happened, not just your general comment?
> |> 
> |> Bob
Bob:

  The reason was given in my previous post replying Mr. Yan(?).   please go
back to read it.

> 
> Good points. Granted, Liu's article might have been biased to Lu, but I
> at least appreciated his effort to dig out the story. I do not think
> readers would necessarily take what all Liu said in the article as facts.
> But what I found interesting is that here is this person who does not appear
> to have invested interests in Lu's case has obviously spent some time on
> it and try to get the story out. Then here are these ui students/faculties(?)

You want to know the motive?  Why don't you ask Mr. liu himself?   Then post it 
back on SCC.

> (of an entire department!) who are supposed to know the case better than the
> rest of us have not uttered a word in the whole year but once the report comes
> out, are quick to sign letters, post news articles to accuse Liu's article
> "extremely biased and distorted the truth."

If we "have not uttered a word in the whole year", at least you won't see our
real name quoted all over in Mr. Liu's article.

I want to point out Mr. Liu's article is not the only long report published 
recently and with our name on.    But it is the only one made us outraged, 
forced us to speak out.
 
> What I don't understand is why don't they just rebut the report point by
> point to show the report's bias but have to wait for CND to publish their

Again, read my previous post.

> letter which, according to posting <1992Nov8.165851.1@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu>,
> "fully" gives "our opinions about Mr. Liu's article." Their opinions? I
> thought they are just talking about facts and truth. Or is it just a bunch of
> accusations?

Even all his "witnesses" - us - the people he interviewed and quoted in his 
article, speak out again his article.  You still couldn't finger out anything
wrong?   

I can only suggest you go to see your doctor.

> 
> Steven

Feng, Wei
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
the Univ. of Iowa
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From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: Who is God
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:44:20 GMT

In article <11NOV199200101555@rosie.uh.edu> math1pf@rosie.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping) writes:
>Who is God ?
>Was it God made man or man made God?
>If there were God,then why America,the country built on the strong killing 
>the weak,is the most prosperous country,why Japan,whose peole killed thousands
>of thousands of Koreans,Chinese,is the most prosperous country? Why Germany?
>Why England ?
>I want to beleive in God,but I got stuck here.

That's because Chinese have killed more than the total of all the above
countries have killed in history. So, the less a country has killed, the
stronger it might be, it is consistent to God's policy, isn't it ?. ki

Yi-Chieh
From: zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Extreme naivety and egocentricism among us
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:39:31 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <lg0e3gINNs5s@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>>In article <PI.92Nov10122857@spica.bu.edu> pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD) writes:
>>>
>>>* Contemporary Chinese people, in general, have been losing their 
>>>  morality.
>>>
>Chinese educated people used to be known as very polite and gentleman like.
>After all destruction of Chinese culture due to internal long time struggle
>among CCP members, and so largerly influenced the common people, Chinese
>people seem don't care to respect the olds, the teachers and those repectable
>people. After long time hatrd education, all educated young generation only
>know how to blame KMT and Chiang everything was done 40 something years ago,
>on the other hand they don't seem to know that each generation of people do
>have some responsibility to the society, to the nation, simply don't care.
>
>The recent TV drama series made by CCTV always revel the collapsed society
>with its faded away morality, mixing up with frustration that people have 
>no way to complain about, no way to chage, no way to improve. Though CCTV
>tends to cover up the bad side story, it exposes more day by day.
>
>A country has been ill for so many years, unless there comes a foreign 
>invasion, Chinese people seem don't care of everything!!
>

  From what I can figure out, you meant to say we should not blame KMT but CCP
instead.  And all faults originated by CCP.  Now I assume you are from
civilized Taiwan, since you have been bestially attacking modern China culture
for quite some time; can you explain to me why Taiwanese delegates threw
oranges at each other and cursed using dialects in a congressional meeting?   
They have to be influenced by CCP too, I guess.
  This game called 'blaming CCP' has been flowing around this net for as long
as I care to remember.  And it only shows how reluctant people are willing to
probe an issue, a simple link to CCP will solve all the problems.  For those
people who used to blame Soviet Communist Party for all the economic problems
and social problem, who are they going to blame now? 
  We should accept that problems come from various reasons.  culture,
education, society, and CCP.  I have read an article linking the banning of
homosexuality to the dictation of CCP, then the folks of state of Colorado are
communist minded.  
  One of problem of Chinese and Taiwanese is that we keep blaming each other,
and we didnot realize that if we are not willing to admit we ourselves have
problems, we cannot change for better.

  Brian
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: GATT&MFN and puzzling American policy
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:50:41 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <BxIE5n.HAC@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
>(deleted)
>Low RMB rate helps export in some sense, but it hurts import of hi-tech,
>human resource exchange etc. The RMB rate has to be raised back to 
>reflect the purchasing ability some time, but not necessarily now.
>
>Comments are welcome.

Old Lix is available whenever needed. Please raise the rate as you prefer,
I change as much RMB into US$$$ as you prefer, then I change US$$$ into
RMB in a free-exchange center in Shanghai or Beijing. The difference will be
donated to SOS China Education Fund, thanks for your help.
-- 
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From: chuan@stein.u.washington.edu (Chuan Lee)
Subject: Re: Shame on you, godless Chinese!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:19:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.192653.20169@webo.dg.com> cteng@teng.webo.dg.com writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.044613.13109@wam.umd.edu>, shicheng@wam.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang) writes:
>>Shame on you, godless Chinese!
>>
>>When you do NOT have God in your heart,
>>
>>        you think Mao Zedong your God;
[....]
>>        you think your girlfriend your God;
[....]
>>        you think money your God;
[....]
>>Shame on you, godless Chinese!
>>
>Shame on you, for those people who do not respect others, but bark like mad.
>
>If you are lucky to have God in your heart, and you do believe truthfully
>you have,  You should share your wonderful thought and feel with others in a 
>much nice and kind way.  NOT LIKE THOSE OF YOUR POSTINGS.
>
>May your GOD do bless you.

Come on, guys (and gals)!  That guy obviously tried to start a flame
war.  From the posts I have seen, he has succeeded.  Can't we do
something more constructive than flaming back?  I purposely kept those
"gods" I think that are interesting but deleted the rest.

God Mao Zedong: I think there is certain true to this.

God girlfriend: I don't know about that.  If I do have one, I will
probably treat her like god (lowest case for the sensitive friends)
for a while.

God money: Now, I think this is the real god and so is the real devil.

Sorry, can't elaborate anymore.  Time to go!

Chuan Lee
U of Washington, Seattle.
From: jamesou@zygote.hsc.usc.edu (James Ou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: FWD for Mr. H. Anonymous - Learn from Geshu (11)
Date: 11 Nov 1992 13:15:15 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: zygote.hsc.usc.edu

Mr. History Anonymous wrote:

>Dear Jim,
>
>Thanks for your Miu4Jiang3 on my Ban1Men2Nong4Fu3.

I wouldn't call the praise "Miu4". You truely deserve it.

>As for my style on
>which you seem Po1You3Wei1Ci2, please allow me some explanation.
>(the rest deleted)

I did not mean to have "Wei Ci". I only wanted to be a "Lu3
Zhong4 Lian2" to cease a battle between two SCC netters whose
articles I enjoy reading a lot.  :-)

>Well, "Ren2Fei1Sheng4Xian2", I must own up to a mortal's weakness,
>particularly in view of my die-hard habit of leaning toward sarcasm or
>Jian1Suan1Ke4Bo2 as someone once called it, especially when "prompted"
>or "provoked."

Sometimes your writing style reminds me of the articles of this
Taiwanese scholar "Li3 Ao2". He was once jailed by KMT for
political reasons. Before he was put in the jail, he was
considered to be a "Cai2 Zi3", sort of like what Tang2 Bo2 Hu3
once called himself: Jiang1 Nan2 Bu4 Cai2 Zi3 (the talent-less
person of JiangNan) (ref.: the book 'Tang2-Zhu4-Wen2-Zhou1').
Of course, Tang2 wrote Bu4 in such a way, that it looks like "Yi2
Ge0" (one):

     ooooooo

	o
      o o o
     o  o  o
	o
	o

So, the sentence would actually read like "JiangNan Yi2 Ge0 Cai2
Zi3" (a talented person in JiangNan). Any way, back to LiAo. To
many KMT Gao1 Gan4, Li's article was considered to be the sting of
a scorpion. It is full of facts and knowledge, but yet highly
dangerous to touch.

Nevertheless, it has been very enjoyable reading your articles,
especially when I am not standing against you.  :-)  Your latest
discussions on "chariot" was very refreshing. It is clear that in
the East-Zhou dynasty, chariots were used often for wars. This is
the reason why warring states were called "Qian1 Cheng4 Zhi1
Guo2" or "Wan4 Cheng4 Zhi1 Guo2", depending on the number of
chariots a state possessed. Without reading your articles,
however, I wouldn't have noticed that chariots were not used much
in the wars of later dynasties. To my knowledge, however, "Ju1"
(chariot) was still used in poems. For instance, Yue4 Fei1 wanted
to ride a chariot to flatten the He4 Lan2 mountain (Jia4 Chang2
Ju1 Ta4 Puo4 He4 Lan2 Shan1 Que1). Of course, in our traditional
chess game which was suspected to be invented in Ming2 dynasty,
Ju1 is the most powerful tool in the game.

> (Geshu Series to be continued, of course)

Please do continue it. I have also been wanting to post articles
to discuss the mid-Tang dynasty generals such as Guo1 Zi3 Yi2,
Li3 Guang1 Bi4 and Gao1 Xian1 Zhi1, but lately I have been too
busy "bending my back for five pounds of rice" (Wei4 Wu3 Dou3 Mi3
Ze2 Yao1). Perhaps later when I have time I will also entertain
netters with the stories of those generals.

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From: math1pf@rosie.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping)
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 04:14:00 GMT

In article <PWU.92Nov6135704@espresso.ai.mit.edu>, pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu) writes...
>    From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
>    
>    In article <92310.154551PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>    >IFCSS claimed that "on behalf of 50,000 Chinese students" it congratulated
>    >the president elected. Even only 43% of registered voters voted him, how
>    >shameless IFCSS claimed all of 50K Chinese students have the same voice ?
>    
>    IFCSS keeps abusing the number 50K.
>    I would say 50K-1, not me.
>    I am sure that I am not the first one says 50K-1.
> 
>50K-1=50K
> 
I am also sure that when you see Chinese goverment's cogratulation letter,
which officially is on behalf of 1.2 billion Chinese,you would say 1.2b-1
not me.
What IFCSS did to you that make you hate her so much?
I wish I could regard you as our 50k CSS's new leader,cause 50k peole is 
badly in need of a leader,especially the one that can meet each one of us'
need.
From: math1pf@rosie.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Who is God
Date: 11 Nov 92 06:10:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: rosie.11NOV199200101555
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Who is God ?
Was it God made man or man made God?
If there were God,then why America,the country built on the strong killing 
the weak,is the most prosperous country,why Japan,whose peole killed thousands
of thousands of Koreans,Chinese,is the most prosperous country? Why Germany?
Why England ?
I want to beleive in God,but I got stuck here.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: tiger@netcom.com (Tiger Zhao)
Subject: Re: Give Shannon a chance to speak!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:36:53 GMT

shicheng@ruflie.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang) writes:


>In article <2AEF02B6.7922@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) 
>write:
>... ...

>>	hours a day.  By the way, i like to tell you that i only slept 4 hours
>>	during the past 48 hours.  Yes, it is a "Poor Shannon".
>>shannon
>... ...

>>fucking you dirty blood carders back is NOT the only part of my life--i got too
>>many things to take care of within each 24 hours.
>... ...

>>shannon

>Agree. Period.

>According to a zoology textbook, 

>A normal dog spends about
>  25 percent time for sleeping;
>  10 percent time for seeking food;
>  10 percent time for eating;
>  10 percent time for fucking;
>  25 percent time for barking;
>  20 percent time for biting.

>A mad dog spends about
>   5 percent time for sleeping;
>   5 percent time for seeking food;
>   5 percent time for eating;
>  15 percent time for fucking;
>  30 percent time for barking;
>  20 percent time for chasing;
>  20 percent time for biting.

I don't think this posting have any good taste....
From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: question Re: >>>>>>  ANNOUNCEMENT  <<<<<< (weekend repost)
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:22:14 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <1992Nov11.033929.25283@msc.cornell.edu> xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,) writes:
->From article <PWU.92Nov10190922@espresso.ai.mit.edu>, by pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu):
->>     From: wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao)
->>     I have a question about finger record.  Do people really have to
->>     ask owner's permission to look at one's finger file?  What is 
->>     the purpose of having such thing on the net?  Who have the right
->>     to look at the file beside operators of the network?
->> 
->> Whatever finger returns is for public consumption.  Don't pass your love
->> letters through finger if you do not intend for the whole world to see.
->
->
->I don't want to waste our netters' time by repeating what I have said 
->more than twice, but I found I have to repeat it here again: 
->
->What Peng Wu said above is absolutely correct.  You can put whatever you 
->like in your finger record, being aware that everybody everywhere could 
->see it anytime.  But, nobody else has the right to distribute it, either 
->as a whole or in part, publically without your permission.  Ask people 
->around if you are still not sure.
->
->Excuse my repeat here, netters with high perception.  I hope this is my 
->last time!  Take it easy.
->-- 

Well, I am not sure about whether he has the right to publicize your
finger record or not, but the first impression I got when I saw what
he did is that he was at least very rude, and moreover, he was showing
weakness when he resolved to such low tactics.

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 03:09:59 GMT

In article <Bx9uCo.HMI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>I am over 18, but I have never voted in my entire life for any one to 
>government office,  neither in China, nor here. In China, we didn't have it. 
>In here, I am not a citizen, plain and simple.
>
>I asked you guys to tell me your voting experience. It sounds wonderful
>to me. If your story is true, I will proudly tell others that I too,
>have voting right, at least if I go back to China.
>
>We humble people can do nothing, but to tell the truth. But I only
>tell truth, no more and no less. If you believe you have truth, don't
>feel insulted. Simply tell your story.
>

This sounds much more reasonable. I did vote in China, though not for 
president, for representative in my zone. The voting system is not that
good yet, but we do have right to vote. People from Beijing University
may tell you their experience to vote for representative in their area.
I heared that nowadays all representative in county level are directly
elected.


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