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From: kupiec@hp800.lasalle.edu (Bob Kupiec)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Sony *pop*! (was Re: Sony 696 remote question)
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:59:57 GMT
Organization: LaSalle University, Philadelphia, PA

In <1k5acoINNeol@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, pka@engin.umich.edu writes:
>I'm compiling a list of people who own Sony 595 or 696 VCRs who have
>the same annoying popping problem with the HiFi audio.  So, far I have
>9 people on my list.  

Same problem here.  I've heard it once or twice. (the VCR is only a week
old)  I've been thinking as what this may be.  Here are my guesses:

1) Tape is of slightly low grade.  Buy the better tapes.
2) Tape defect / wear
3) Static buildup(?)
4) VCR is trying to do "auto-tracking"
5) Just a bad VCR (actually a whole bunch of them! 585, 595, 696, + more?)

Has anyone talked to a Tech for Sony for an answer here?

Another observation:  Does the VCR *RECORD* any pops?  I've only had them
in random playback.  It doesn't seem to be ON the tape.

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From: dhopkins@gpsemi.lincoln.com (Dave Hopkins)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: PALPlus
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:33:06 GMT
Organization: GEC Plessey Semiconductors
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A78C796A4C0170B8@mac_oob4.lincoln.gpsemi.com>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 27 Jan 93 15:39:54 GMT
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In article <1j3fhfINN1sm@uk-news.uk.sun.com> Marco Barsotti - SUN Italy,
marcob@polo.Italy.Sun.COM writes:
>In the january issue of a british satellite magazine, there is a
>reference to the forthcoming "PALPlus Standard" for terrestrial
broadcast.
>
>There is no explaination of what it is, but the article seems to
>suggest that it is normal pal with 16:9 aspect ratio.
>
>Anyone have more details ?


As far as I know Palplus is a wide screen (16:9) pal format which has
been developed by the BBC which is compatible with std 4:3 pal receivers.
Ithink it transmits the std picture plus two add ons for each side of the
4:3 picture. Thats all I know.
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: spinaa@rpi.edu (Matt Garretson)
Subject: Re: Sony SLV-696HF Problems 
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:30:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.003125.14644@en.ecn.purdue.edu> syd@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Dennis P Hilgenberg) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.170224.443@e2big.mko.dec.com> tomg@zko.dec.com writes:
>
>>>     1. Intermittent "popping" on pre-recorded hi-fi tapes.
>
>I have this problem, too (also on an SLV-696HF, which I just bought).
>This popping doesn't happen on the linear tracks.
 
>I think it's a problem with tape dropouts.
 
I doubt this, since it happens on every tape, even those that cause no
problems on other VCRs. Also, there is no visual evidence of dropouts.

BTW, I posted about my problems with the 696 a few weeks ago, and have since
exchanged it for another one. The new one also has the same problem.
Personally, I think this is unacceptable for a supposedly Hifi VCR, but 
the return/exchange period at my store has expired. So now, I'm basically
stuck with a defective VCR. At least the 90-day warranty is still in effect, 
but god only knows how much shipping and handling will cost me.
 
Given the number of people I have seen on the net who have had the same
problem with the SLV696HF, I would hope that Sony is catching flak for 
selling a VCR with such a fault. I will certainly add to it with
a phone call and/or letter. Will any of you with similar experiences do the
same?

-Matt, a little pissed at an otherwise good VCR...
From: white@APXTG03.APEX.DG.COM (Ken White)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: LANC machines
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:45:53 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Anyone have a list of all the machines supporting Sony's LANC connection.

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| Advance Product Intro. & Dev.              Apex, North Carolina           |
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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: etobhag@etnxb.eua.ericsson.se (Boerge Haga 2634)
Subject: Re: FISHER HI-FI VCR
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AS, Oslo, Norway
	<C15zGA.L4K@apollo.hp.com>
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:54:44

In article <C15zGA.L4K@apollo.hp.com> rehrauer@apollo.hp.com (Steve Rehrauer) writes:

   >I'll second this. My parents have had a Fisher VCR for some years
   >now, and it has been nothing but trouble with it.

   Well, as a counterpoint my circa 1986 Fisher HiFi unit has been virtually
   trouble free.  About 2 years ago I paid about $80 to have a capstan assembly
   rebuilt (at least, that's what the shop said -- symptoms were that it would
   squeal on rewind & sometimes not rewind at all -- and the price included a

That's exactly what happened to my parents VCR also. But in addition to
that they have had troubles with the remote control and the write-
protect detector (which made it impossible to record since the VCR
always thought the write protection was gone, which in turn means
that the cassette is write-protected ;-)  )
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From: pjyamamo@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Peter Yamamoto)
Newsgroups: rec.video,sci.lang.japan
Subject: Toshiba Bazooka Wide?
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:03:00 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Hello!

Has anybody seen or heard of the Toshiba Bazooka Wide Television?
I have seen ads for it in Japanese magazines.

I can't understand the kanji but neither could a (very non-technical)
Japanese person explain exactly what this "technology" is...

The add seems to say that, for example, in a side view of people lined
up, if a normal tv sees 2 people, on this tv you would see 4.
They illustrate this by shading two side portions of the screen meant to
show a normal tv screen size in the middle.

My question is, what is this?  In other words, what media (satellite,
video, laser disc), if any, provide a wider vista than what a normal
television can show.  Is this only for "vista" type videos and laser
discs [sorry, I forget the proper term for when they release a video
without cropping: ?-box]?

Or is it not actually showing more, it's just the dimensions of the tv?
[But then people would be short and fat, no?]

I will summarize if I get any/enough requests for info.
I would aprreciate a CC of any followups, but I'll also watch here
for any info.

Thanks,
Peter
From: 0004861036@MCIMAIL.COM (James Millick)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: TV Listings Available by E-Mail
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:39:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

I recall some time ago that a company was offering a TV listing
service by email. I believe the respondent was from the
company, though I don't remember the name. Can anyone refresh
my memory? If the company rep is still on-line, please email me
some back issues, so I can see what it is like, check it out.

Thanks,

Jim
From: hm002b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (PRIMUS SUCKS!)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Question Panasonic CTP-2780SF 27" SuperFlat TV
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:59:52 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In ar

I have a question about the 2780 Panasonic GAOO SuperFlat television set. I
recently purchased one and I noticed that on the bottom part of the set
things would curve. For example if there was a long straight line on the
bottom on the screen it would appear curved rather than straight. As the
line moves up the screen it becomes straight. At the VERY top of the screen
it will also get slightly distorted. Is this normal should I grab another
set, I have 10 more days on my 30 day return period. Any suggestions are
welcome!
From: bobali@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Sony EV-S3000 and EV-S900 differences?
Date: 24 Jan 93 00:32:11 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I was wondering what the differences are between the following 2 Hi8 VCRs:

Sony EV-S3000
Sony EV-S900

The 900 is a little more expensive through mail order.  What extra features
does it have over the 3000?

Any info appreciated.

      - Bob A.
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: non-genlock equip and TBC Generators
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:31:22 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1993Jan24.161250.371@wizvax.methuen.ma.us> stephie@wizvax.methuen.ma.us (Stephanie Gilgut) writes:
<Hi...
<Steph here with a question...
<If I have multiple cameras and a vcr that are non genlock compatible,
<and feed the output of my passive switch into a TBC, and feed that
<into my recording vcr, will my switching/sync problems go away?

No.  You didn't say if your TBC was a framestore unit or not.  But, I am
going to assume so.

While the video going to the recording VCR will be stable, everytime you
switch the video source, you will see glitches.

The only cure is to genlock all of the pieces of equipment and use the
active switcher, or get a framestore TBC for each input piece, except for
one camera, which will be used at the genlock source for the framestore TBCs.
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From: kupiec@hp800.lasalle.edu (Bob Kupiec)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: FISHER HI-FI VCR
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:13:49 GMT
Organization: LaSalle University, Philadelphia, PA

In <1993Jan22.204219.22486@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, kettyle@cbnewsi.cb.att.com writes:
>From article <C15zGA.L4K@apollo.hp.com>, by rehrauer@apollo.hp.com (Steve Rehrauer):
>> In article <ETOBHAG.93Jan20165232@etn.etnxb.eua.ericsson.se> etobhag@etnxb.eua.ericsson.se (Boerge Haga 2634) writes:
>>>In article <C15s31.LA@boi.hp.com> jmcvey@boi.hp.com ( John McVey         x3638 ) writes:
>>>   I have a Fisher mono VCR and have had to repair it twice.  I would
>>>   stay away from Fisher on a new purchase.
>>>
>>>I'll second this. My parents have had a Fisher VCR for some years
>>>now, and it has been nothing but trouble with it.
>> 
>> Well, as a counterpoint my circa 1986 Fisher HiFi unit has been virtually
>> trouble free.  About 2 years ago I paid about $80 to have a capstan assembly
>> rebuilt (at least, that's what the shop said -- symptoms were that it would
>> squeal on rewind & sometimes not rewind at all -- and the price included a
>
>I have a 859 and a 960 ? HiFi Vcrs and have had no problems except in the 
>960 where I am starting to see the squeeling problems. These are both 
>1985-1986 models. Chalk it up to luck? :-)

The 6yr old FVH-960 that I have started the squealing about a year ago and
died a few weeks after that.  It needed new belts/capstan.  Cost about
$120.  Bad idea.  Should've bought a new one.  (It also ate a tape as well
when it died. ;-( )

Now, a year later, it is in the early stages of dying again.  Buttons on
the console work erraticly and so forth.  I just purchased a new Hi-Fi VCR
anticipating the Fisher's death.  Maybe I can do some tape editing now that
I have 2 VCR's (for as long as the 960 lives).

Consumer reports rated Fisher as having the highest repair rate of *ANY*
VCR maker.  The 960 has very good sound and audio, but I would avoid future
Fisher VCR's.  Look at Sony and JVC.

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:31:05 CST
From: Rich Chong <U41602@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: SONY KV27XBR55 Complaints


>        I posted a dissertation about having to service my new TV myself for
>geometric distortion, and one of you kind people mentioned that I could
purchase
>the service manual for the set.
>
>        How does one go about this? Are they generally available from some
>source?

Look in your yellow pages for your Local Sony Service Center.
They'll sell you anything.
Or call 800-697-7669 to find out what they can do for you,
(like give you a place or sell/ship it over the phone to you).
                                                              rich chong
Xref: sparky rec.video:16322 rec.video.releases:4383 rec.arts.movies:38263
From: meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman)
Newsgroups: rec.video,rec.video.releases,res.arts.sf.starwars,rec.arts.movies
Subject: * An observation on the new Star Wars laser discs
Date: 24 Jan 93 05:22:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

Think about this....really:

The new Star Wars laser discs are being remastered in THX. That much we
know. Think about this little point: some people that have THX systems
(true ones) have video projectors as well such as the Runco with the
line doubler capabilities. Now....in Star Wars and Jedi, the subtitles
are IN THE BLACK BAND. How much does anyone want to be that we'll see
the subtitles INSIDE the frame with these new masterings? This should be
the correct way to do it for those people that have video projectors.

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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: stud1b53@bnr.ca (Anshu Prasad)
Subject: Re: How do you degauss a TV set?
Reply-To: stud1b53@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 17:53:37 GMT

In article <gre253-250193110858@152.83.8.10>, gre253@its.csiro.au (Steve Green) writes:
|> In article <1jtf38INNo2l@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aa716@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
|> (Scott Fields) wrote:
|> >  
|> > I moved a rather large speaker by my TV set, then when I moved
|> > it away I noticed that the colors on the bottom fifth of the screen
|> > were distorted (purple/green).  Did I just completely ruin my TV?
|> > 
|> > I know that more expensive Mitsubishi's have a degauss button.  This
|> > is a Mitsubishi, but has no button.  Help me please.
|> 
|> It's my understanding that TV sets are auto-degaussing. Therefore your set
|> will heal itself - in time.
|> 

    Isn't the degaussing function implemented by the on/off switch?  I
read somewhere that repeatedly turning the set on and off will accelerate
the deguassing process (in the absence of a dedicated degauss button, of
course).

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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com
Subject: Re: Yamaha E1000 vs Sony TA-E2000ESD
Reply-To: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com
Organization: Hot Technologies
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:26:28 GMT

In article <C188zI.CJ9@ampex.com> dna@ampex.com (David Altekruse)  
writes:
> As you state,
> analog signals still go through A/D->D/A, however.  (Don't ask me
> why Sony does it that way, though.)

Sony does this because all the equalization, effects, etc is  
accomplished via the DSP in the digital domain.  IMHO, this is a good  
thing.  The alternative would be to have two sets of circuits and  
needless complexity.  If people want a pure analog system, they  
should purchase a different system.

Robert La Ferla
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: What tape do we have here?
Date: 23 Jan 93 04:20:43 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <9301210544.AA23473@heartland.bradley.edu> tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu writes:

[...]

<As you gather from above, I suspect that the tape was shot in a 
<non-NTSC format of some type.  So here are my questions:
< 
<1a.  Am I correct that it was likely shot in the wrong format?  

Not a wrong format, as viewed from the French point-of-view.  But, it was
probably shot in PAL (yes, France is SECAM, but I understand that video tapes
are recorded using PAL).

<1b.  If so, any ideas how to tell what format it was shot in? 

Ya, PAL (see 1a).

<2.  If the answer to 1a is yes, what is the prognosis.  Can the 
<scenes be transfered to NTSC or is my brother out of luck?  If 
<they can be transfered, any idea how to do it.  Are there services 
<that would make the transfer?  They would be willing to pay a 
<"reasonable" amount to make the conversion, whatever that means.

There are conversion houses in the Chicago area.  Check out the yellow pages.
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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: robbo@hprpcd.rose.hp.com (Dave Robinson)
Subject: Re: PAL Tapes ??
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:51:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL7]

Geoff Vince (vince@bme.ri.ccf.org) wrote:
: I have recently moved to the U.S from England and brought a number of VCR 
: tapes with me.  Although I understand these cannot be played on my U.S. VCR (
: Panasonic S-VHS) as they're in PAL format, I would like to know if I 
: can record over them?  I realize that as they are not S-VHS tapes I will not 

	Yes. VHS tape is VHS tape. You can drill a small hole in the
	case and make it an S-VHS tape. There is an article posted
	in this group telling you how to do this. But as far as 
	using your UK VHS tapes there should not be a problem. It's only
	the signal that is recorded on the tape that makes
	the difference between PAL and NTSC.

 	By the way if ever you need any tapes converting to/from PAL
	my wife runs business doing just that. We left England several years ago
	and wanted to send videos back. The cost was astronomical at first,
	so we bought a machine and now run a business! The Amercian way:-)

	The address for information is:

	RVT
	1911 Douglas Boulevard #85
	Roseville
	CA 95661.

	Regards

	Dave

PS
	Welcome to the Colonies!!!
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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: neal@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jerry Neal)
Subject: Re: video amplifiers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:13:29 GMT

sully@cray.com (Brian Sullivan) writes:

>I recently wired my whole house for video, resulting in the use of some
>splitters (two 1-4's to be exact, my conclusion that the tradeoff of
>longer cable runs instead of more splitters would result in better video
>quality).

>Anyway, I recently purchased a JVC HS-6800U S-VHS VCR, and the video
>played through the VCRs tuner is noticably worse than the video
>fed directly to the TV (27" Sony XBR).  If I eliminate one splitter,
>the picture going through the VCR tuner is much improved.  The same
>problem existed using my older model Zenith HiFi deck.

>The questions:

>1. Anyone with a recommendation of video amplifiers?  Any expectation that
>   this would resolve the problem?
>2. Any explanation as to why the same signal fed to the TV looks
>   better than if fed through the VCR input and out through an S-video
>   connector?  Is it likely that the tuner sensitivity of the VCR is
>   less than that of the TV?
>3. Anyone with a similar experience or a hotshot solution? ;-)

I too have an XBR and a JVC S-video deck and have noticed the same thing.
What I concluded upon careful observation of the picture was that the video
appeared to have more bandwidth from the S-VHS VCR.  This makes a certain 
amount of sense if you assume the VCR tuner was designed for maximum bandwith
to take the greatest advantage of the format, the noise figure is likely to be
higer as well.
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From: pryack@MtHolyoke.edu (Paul Ryack)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Sony 27" T.V.
Date: 28 Jan 1993 20:26:16 -0500
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
NNTP-Posting-Host: slab.mtholyoke.edu
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I am not pleased with my EXR20. The shadow mask was warped, so Sony
replaced the picture tube.  The second tube suffers from pincushion
distortion (there is NO adjustment for horizontal pincushion, btw)
and poor purity.  Sony New York has just asked the original service
people who told me that they admitted the set was not perfect, but
that they could do no better, to come out and "lolok at it" again.
Also, the picture really blooms on brights, evenm with the contrast
("picture" control) ramped down.  Make haste slowly to a Sony...

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From: robbo@hprpcd.rose.hp.com (Dave Robinson)
Subject: Re: German Video in US
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:19:21 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL7]

Brad Holt (Holt@cheme.washington.edu) wrote:
:    I have a friend who wants to be able to play German made 
: video tapes here in the US.  Can someone recommend the best
: way of accomplishing this and what some of the trade-offs
: are?  He has the usual US standard TV and VCR.
: 
	There are a couple of options:

	1) Buy a machine that can playback PAL on NTSC TVs. These machines
are available from Sharp, AIWA, and PANASONIC. They range in price from
$400 (AIWA) uto $2000 for PANASONIC AG-W1. You can shop around for discounts.

	2) Have the tapes converted to NTSC. Aprroximately $25 for 2 hour
tapes, plus appropriate taxes.

	As to which option to recommend depends upon your friend's money supply
and the number of tapes they wish to watch. If they will be watching many
tapes buying a machine might be the way to go. Some of the machines have
tuners in them and can act as regular VCRs. The AG-W1 does not. It is a
prosumer system convert. If your friend has only a couple of tapes 
they might want to consider having them converted. There are several companies
who advertise in video magazines (eg Videomaker) that offer this service.
My wife runs such a business. She can be reched at:


	RVT
	1911 Douglas Boulevard #85
	Roseville
	CA 95661.
	(916) 773-3705

	She offers a two hour conversion for $25. This includes the conversion,
	Tape, and return mail all within 24 hours. You have to add CA tax if
	you live in CA. 
	

	Regards

	Dave

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