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From: eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: empathic links
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:19:43 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <1992Sep12.193257.17635@ultb.isc.rit.edu> kcj8521@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
[stuff deleted]

If you're carrying around a walkie-talkie and you walk out of range of it, then
then your're *still* carrying a walkie-talkie around.  If you wander back into
range, then Lo!, the walkie-talkie starts talkin' again.  I submit that occam's
old disposable should be more than sufficient to determine this to be as good
an answer as any other you're likely to get.  

(carol, how's that for being kinder and gentler?) 

			-eddie@legba.oit.unc.edu
			*heavy sigh*
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Spirit in the house, and parents won't listen...
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:23:41 GMT


In article <las6ltINN812@aludra.usc.edu> eburke@aludra.usc.edu (Kethry) 
writes:

>   Hi there, it's me again....

charmed, I'm sure.

>   Um, I have a question for anyone that could help me...There is a spirit
>   in my house that is driving me absolutely buggy.  

not a very long drive, is it?

>                                                     (I'm empathic and sen-
>   sitive to spirits so that gives me a double whammy :-).) Anyway, I've
>   tried burning yellow candles and that works quite well in the room that
>   the candles are in, but the only room I was allowed to burn in was my
>   room, which meant that I was very uncomfortable in the rest of the 
>   house...

have you considered the possibility that it's all in your mind?

>   Well, one day my parents decided to say that I was not allowed to burn
>   ANYTHING in the house, so there went my protections.  They told my sister
>   that they don't like the fact that I don't believe in Catholicism like
>   they do.  So, I tried building myself a shield of yellow light (like 
>   the light sheilds from the Sheild thread) and tried to expand it to the 
>   con  tours of my room.  I forgot to leave an opening for the air duct, so 
>   until I figured that out, my room was the stuffiest in the house until
>   I put a hole in for the air duct.  That created another problem...the
>   hole leaves an opening into my room for anything that wants to get in.
>   The sheild worked perfectly until the hole was put in.  

this is an interesting worldview you have here. lots of things are 'out to 
get you' and 'trying to get in' eh?  why don't you try using a worldview in
which these kind of things don't exist? sure, that won't have the advantage
of pissing off your parents, or making you seem really special and sensitive
and magickal, on the other hand, you may develop a capacity for rational
thought somewhere in there.

>   My question is what can I do now?  The spirit hasn't manifested any nasty
>   qualities, he's mainly a trickster, but I still have a very nasty feeling
>   that anyone else who is sensitive can feel.  The only examples of his
>   work in the mundane world are things that are basically pranks, but of
>   the sort that my parents are blaming the three kids in the house (my 
>   sisters and I).  

you might tell us what this 'spirit' is doing. 

josh
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Psychic attack / shielding / empathy
Date: 13 Sep 92 15:37:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <199209130322.AA01566@intercon.com>, amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker) writes...
>oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
> 
>> Some straightforward criticism might be useful, but not a downpour 
>> of ridicule.
> 
><Raised eyebrow> I think you're exaggerating.

Agreed.

>This is a written medium.  Those who use it best will get the most use of it.  
>What else do you suggest?

Nothing.  I'm not interested in changing anyone's behaviour.  I'm 
satisfied with expressing my opinions, which I do.

> 
>No, *I* haven't said anything to or about Kethry.  I was just observing that 
>you seemed to be in contentious agreement with the people you are castigating.

True.  Though I think the word "castigate" is a bit harsh, since 
my comments about the "inner circle" were observations, not major 
criticism or an attempt to change the nature of usernet.  Also, I 
have no conflict in pointing out negative aspects of something I 
participate in.  (It would be major self deception for me to 
convince myself I'm always pure and innocent.  Ha!)

Re: Kethry, one of my irrational quirks is to be a bit protective of 
the young, who often do not have yet have adequate defenses.  For 
those less fragile, a little "shock treatment" is often most effective.  
Note: just my opinions, not an attempt to change anyone else's 
behaviour.

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: ramsay@unixg.ubc.ca (Keith Ramsay)
Subject: Re: Up and Down and Pentagrams
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:18:08 GMT

In article <56062@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> 
gnome@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Gary) writes:
>Up and down.  Inverted.  Bleh!

The virtue of conciseness. :-)

>It's just rotated 72 degrees.

36 degrees. BTW, what about pentagrams with one point to the right or
left (i.e. +-18 degrees "deviation" :-) )?

Keith Ramsay
From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: just a question
Date: 9 Sep 92 05:21:23 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

tag@hermes.ecn.purdue.edu (Tony A. Gibbens) writes:
: 
: listening to various friends and reading various post, I have a question.
: Is it possible for a person, without any training or conscience effort,
: to act as a magnet (lack of a better term) or what-ever for "unusual" events?
: By events I mean; calling numbers on a roulet table correctly, picturing some 
: event (outside of personal control) and having it occur, sometimes seeing
: things either not there or not percieved by others, etc.
: 

I would have to say yes. I myself am the opposite of this. 
I can call things wrong, with far greater averages than statistics.
Guessing serieses of coin tosses, cards from a deck... That is
when I guess. I believe that I can MAKE things happen the way that
I want them to quite a bit. It would appear that I can consciously
affect things, but my unconscious doesn't the same thing in reverse.
--
Mary E. S. Morris    |  The future exists first in imagination, then
mesm@netcom.COM      |  in will, then in reality. -- Galivan Burwell
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From: friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: empathic links
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:42:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In <1992Sep13.231943.6119@samba.oit.unc.edu> eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett) writes:

>In article <1992Sep12.193257.17635@ultb.isc.rit.edu> kcj8521@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>[stuff deleted]

>If you're carrying around a walkie-talkie and you walk out of range of it, then
>then your're *still* carrying a walkie-talkie around.  If you wander back into
>range, then Lo!, the walkie-talkie starts talkin' again.  I submit that occam's
>old disposable should be more than sufficient to determine this to be as good
>an answer as any other you're likely to get.  

>(carol, how's that for being kinder and gentler?) 

>			-eddie@legba.oit.unc.edu
>			*heavy sigh*

(Sorry it's so much effort, eddie    :-) )

IMO, links, when they exist, seem to be independent of distance (at least
on this planet!)  Does anybody recall the experiments in WWII with mother
rabbit on land, while baby rabbit was sacrificed aboard a submarine--and they
found an EEG synchronicity?  Or what about the IEEE-reported studied about 15-
20 years ago that posited some of these effects are related to certain sub-
atomic particles' behaviors?

I guess my advice to Kevin would be:  try it the same old way by arrangement
with your empathic friend and see if you can revive the connection.  Its the
only way to test it, isn't it?


-- 
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    - Friday -                      "Practice random acts of kindness 
      friday@well.sf.ca.us                      and senseless beauty."
      (aka Carol Anne Ogdin@Santa Clara, CA)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: jv@irus.rri.uwo.ca (Jeffrey Verhagen)
Subject: Re: The pentagram
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:31:02 GMT

In article <192j84INN2ib@early-bird.think.com> cward@Think.COM (Christopher) writes:
...
>I have to point out that this is all too typical of your arguments.  For me,
>I accept the majority concensus that point-up is upright, nay correct, position
>and, hence, the point-downward is inverted.  I doubt the hundreds of books,
>schools and teachers who also agree with me are "both fallacious and ignorant".

I find this distinction (between correct and incorrect) problematic, for several 
reasons:

a) If you take the pentagram as being representative of the 5 elements,
   there is no given indication that the element at the topmost point in 
   the "correct" position is spirit (which would presumably make it 
   "good")

b) The difference between the correct and incorrect position is a mere 36
   degrees. Am I to believe that a good pentacle will suddenly become bad
   if the owner rotates it by such a small amount (which could conceivably
   happen by accident)? Am I to believe that a "spirit" approaching a
   pentagram from a different perspective would see it as bad, and thus
   have no problem defying its protective nature (and harming the operator)?

c) The pentagram, with its five points, is also representative of mars, and
   mars (which rules aries) is a symbol of the human head and mind. It represents
   mars (and human intelligence - specifically occult intelligence) in any position 
   as far as I can see. The authorities usually say that the correct position
   is symbolic of occult intelligence applied to good, while the inverted position 
   is symbolic of occult intelligence applied to material and selfish ends.

Sure; many of the authorities on the subject claim that different orientations 
have different significances, and they are right in so far as they adhere to
them. Nevertheless, occult force is just a force, and is only good or bad 
depending on how it is applied. The pentagram is an ancient mystical symbol 
(likely for protection) which predates these distinctions, and can be used 
(right side up or inverted) for its original purposes. I remember seeing one
masonic order that used an inverted pentagram as its symbol, and I have also
seen a talisman in the Enchiridon as well that uses one. If we could ascertain
the original meaning of this ancient symbol, then perhaps we could make 
distinctions like this with certainty.

>	-Christopher

Just some thoughts on the subject,
Jeff....
From: vrauls@nmsu.edu (goddess)
Subject: Re: Psychic attack / shielding / empathy
Organization: Computing Research Lab
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:34:02 GMT

In article <199209102102.AA10533@intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes:

   From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)

>Not necessarily.  My reaction to Brandywine's post, for example, had nothing 
>to do with her age--my response was to her question of what her age had to do 
>with anything.  However, you generally don't see my reactions to adults for 
>the simple reason that adults are less prone to pressing the issue and 
>pouting about not being taken seriously.

Sorry, but this is a circular argument.  Adults don't pout about
not being taken seriously because they ARE taken seriously more 
often.  If you spend your teanage years (as I did) not being taken
seriously at all, then I think you have a right to pout a bit.

I know nobody can piss me off like a person who doesn't take me
seriously...even when I'm acting rationally.  Because I see many
adults being taken seriously even when they're full of shit.
(check out your least favorite candidate for election -or if
you're more pragmatic all candidates).

As for being intimidated, I understand.  I hesitate to post because
I'm new to this i.e. don't know anything.  Of course while this
reduces lots of bandwidth from ignorants, it also cuts back on 
new ideas and topics for discussion.
--

                        goddess -worship at will      
                     lose me now or fuck me forever                   
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Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: Re: Love spells?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 22:41:00 GMT

In article <lindsay.715980818@cs.wisc.edu>, lindsay@green.cs.wisc.edu (Joe Lindsay) writes...
>I hope this isn't a FAQ, but does anyone know any good love spells?
> 

Why, just curious or needed for use?  It seems to me that if you
have to use a love spell its not worth it.

As someone else said:

Just my $.02 worth.

Tammy
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 10:11:14 -0400 
From: Kerwin Yap Chua <kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Psychic attack / shielding / empathy

It has been my experience that one's age has almost nothing to do with
how much one has to say or how one chooses to say it.  Personally, I am
eighteen, and I don't feel that anything I have said on this particular
newsgroup hasn't been taken seriously or that anyone thinks less of me
simply because I'm younger. ( I have, however, been afraid of getting
flamed for mentioning a certain book). 

I think the main problem is simply point of view.  Everyone is trapped
inside their own skulls when they sit at a terminal to type, and being
able to know how and why someone else thinks what they think is a very
desireable virtue indeed, and one that almost no one posseses, no matter
how empathic you may think you are. :)   Pointing the finger at age
differences is convenient, but it doesn't solve the problem. 

Kendrick Kerwin Chua

kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu    or
kendrick+@CMU.EDU

Cthulhu for President, 1992!
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: lindsay@green.cs.wisc.edu (Joe Lindsay)
Subject: Love spells?
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 07:07:11 GMT

>>I hope this isn't a FAQ, but does anyone know any good love spells?

>Why, just curious or needed for use?  It seems to me that if you
>have to use a love spell its not worth it.

Is it worth it then if you don't have to use it? :-)

I don't "need" one, but I think it would be nice to have that extra edge.
Any of the following would suit me fine:

A potent, involved spell I could use on a specific person

A quick charm to use on people I'd meet, say, at a supermarket

Or, probably best, since it wouldn't intrude as much on the free wills of
others, some sort of attraction field I could surround myself with.


-- 
Joseph C. Lindsay, III - "Wouldn't you like to be a fraction, too?"
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Tactile Kinetic (Was RE: Shields)
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:43:34 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Pegasus) writes:

>RE: Those who are tactile kinetic. Hello out there!

>   Being a tactile kinetic, the best way I have come up with is to use the
>analogy of being physically blind and maybe deaf as well.  The reaction I
>get when I try to explain this to anyone who is not is one of disbelief
>that you are. They cannot conceive of the idea that you can not see and or
>hear. They think you are joking.

>   The problems I have run into is having to be dependent on other people
>for information of what is going on around me.  The problem here with this
>is that those you have to trust for accurate information may not always
>give it to you for a number of very good reasons such as: 

>   I wonder if being tactical kinetic was a major attribute of the medieval
>witch, she needed her familiar, as much as the modern physically blind
>person is dependent of a seeing eye dog for similar reasons.  If that is
>the case, is there anyone out there from a FamTrad who is willing to share
>this information on how to successfully train such a helper?  This will
>give us a modicum of independence.

>   But we need more then being wrapped up behind adamantine shields, like
>frightened rabbits in their warrens, if we are to be able to grow and
>develop our full potential.  There is a need to learn why some are tactical
>kinetic and others are not.  We need to develop the equivalent of glasses
>and hearing aids as well as effective training methods for using the senses
>we have.

Thank you for posting this.  As to being dependent on others--I was the most
skilled person in my environment for several years.  I *had* to learn to 
depend on my own senses.  Like Shava, I developed a code-book: this sensation
means X.  As a result of this effort, my perceptive skills far outstrip most
experienced visual practitioners I know.  I am still very limited by distance,
but within my range (up to a quarter mile, if there is nothing and no one in
the way), I have amazingly useful senses.  Just keep trying, and try not to
depend on anyone else for anything except verification of your perceptions.


              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

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it's for people who are allergic to the word religion.
                                   --Jon Jay Obermark
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: uphrrmk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu (Me)
Subject: Re: Somethings wrong... Not quite right....
Reply-To: uphrrmk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu (Me)
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:20:03 GMT

In article <18qonjINNifo@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, brenda@wpi.WPI.EDU (brenda) writes:
>
>i was hoping that someone could explain what happened here...
>i think it might be that i am just very inexperienced with magick, and need to
>practice more...  
>
>i did a money attracting spell a week ago... 
>it was herbally inclined if you know what i mean...
>i put herbs like high john, lavender, etc. and 3 silver pieces (dimes) in a 
>green cloth and tied it... all the while focusing on money...
>
>well, so far i am about $70 into debt...  i think maybe i was concentrating
>on my money problems instead of cash coming to me.  are there any other reasons
>this worked out reverse?  can i correct this, or should i just practice and
>try again all over?
>
>thanks!
>
>brenda
>
  Brenda, sometimes money spells take a while, so don't get too discouraged too
quickly. But to me it looks like perhaps another spell might be a good idea;
One of my favorites is to prepare a bath with the same herbs, and perhaps some
rose petals for good vibes, let yourself relax, and then visualize that the
bath is full of 20 dollar bills, bright green, floating and churning in the
water.  Another old gypsy one that 's good if you have a front porch is to
bury on or near the doorway five shiny pennies, and visualize money flowing
into your abode.  Bury a crust of bread soaked with milk with it, too-it means
you won't go hungry.  These might take a while--I did these, and it took a 
month or two for my luck to change.(sometimes it takes some time to set up.

                        Hope your luck changes,
                        La Morte.
>
>
>-- 
>brenda@wpi.wpi.edu    "I've been singin' the blues ever since the world     
>152 West St. Apt 2     began..."
>792-3243                                      ~ Jim Morrison
>****************************************************************************
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From: wiesel-elisha@CS.YALE.EDU (Eli)
Subject: Hebrew TeX?
Keywords: Technical, gematria 
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:45:13 GMT

Anyone know where to get Hebrew TeX fonts?  I saw a posting here
several months ago which seemed to make use of such a font for
generating a gematria grid in TeX.  Directions to nearest ftp sites
would be much appreciated...

Thanks,

-- Elisha


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From: amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: power points in france
Date: 7 Sep 92 05:20:43 GMT

uubrian@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (BRIAN BENTZ) writes:
> Call
> them power points, ley lines, whatever.. anyway, she was wanting to know
> what ones existed in france... Can anybody remember reading of any or
> hearing about them some time or another?

Well, there are quite a number of megalithic sites in northern France, 
particularly Brittany and Normandy.  Carnac is probably the largest and most 
famous (acres and acres of standing stones), but there are stone circles and 
other such sites all though the area.  Also, some legends place the lost city 
of Ys on a promontory at the tip of Brittany...

Coming into more modern times, France is at least as littered with mystical 
sites as Britain is.  Mont-St.-Michel (which I have a particular fondness for 
:)), Chartres (or in fact almost any French gothic cathedral site), and so on.


Amanda Walker
From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Psychic attack / shielding / empathy
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:59:55 GMT

Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Psychic attack/shielding/empathy
Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation
Keywords: 

oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:

> Why is it that someone who is a teenager (or thereabouts) is 
> automatically said to be acting out a psycho-melodrama?

Because that's part of what teenagers do.  We all do it, or something 
similar, in part to generate enough energy to break ties we need to break, 
and form new ones we need to form.  It's not automatic, but I find it more 
plausible than 

> I've read equally far-fetched posts from adults and nearly everyone 
> accepted theirs at face value.

Not necessarily.  My reaction to Brandywine's post, for example, had nothing 
to do with her age--my response was to her question of what her age had to do 
with anything.  However, you generally don't see my reactions to adults for 
the simple reason that adults are less prone to pressing the issue and 
pouting about not being taken seriously.

> There's an "inner circle" here on alt.magick that sets the standards for
> what is acceptable and what is not - to think, post, believe.

And just who do you think is in this inner circle?  I certainly don't seem to 
be an outsider, but I zing (and get zinged by) other "insiders" far more than 
new, inexperienced posters...

> An inner circle member can post something and *not* be subjected to 
> the same level of critical thinking that outsiders endure.

Nope.  I will say, however, that some people are better at writing pieces 
which resist casual criticism than others.  However, I think that any 
discrimination is based on writing ability and demonstrated insight, rather 
than membership in any "inner circle."  This is Usenet--the worst possible 
place to try and build an autocracy or oligarchy...

> Re: Kethry's spirit - I think she is really experiencing it.  I 
> also think she created it and its manifesting some hidden parts 
> of her psyche - and she can get rid of it.  Note - just my 
> opinions, which are all judgements boil down to anyway.

This is much what everyone else has been saying.  Does this make you part of 
the inner circle?


Amanda Walker <amanda@intercon.com>
-- 
"Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be."
                --Abraham Lincoln