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From: acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Why so many Va Tech woofers?
Keywords: coz hokies are better than hoos
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:02:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Bu0rG7.9rx@news.larc.nasa.gov>, mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson) writes...
> 
>>Yes there is, until I see a power rating comparing the two for the last
>>three years, complete with breakdowns of how many "Top 25" caliber teams
>>each played, and how many "dogs" each whipped.
> 
>I disagree - but perhaps Marsee, Gupta, or Schmidt will indulge us.

Or maybe the "new kid at this schtick" will. 

> 
>>Also, how did each do in that span vs. common opponents?
> 
>1990 [deleted--sorry, I don't go back this far.]

>1991
>we lost to NC State - you beat NC State
>we lost to Oklahoma (reg season) - you lost to Oklahoma (bowl game)
>we also played FSU again
> 

24.  Virginia (8-3-1)		1.7
56.  Virginia Tech (5-6)	1.0

That is, VT was in the category of "incredibly average", while UVa barely 
made the Top 25.


>Michael Nelson
> 

R Dendy
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: 91 BlockBuster (Was Re: Bama in the polls)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 05:43:53 GMT

In article <stricher-020992175703@stayman.ocean.fsu.edu> stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul) writes:
>
>Is this the same CU that lost to Baylor last year at home?

Last year was last year... anyway, we didn't lose to ALL in-state div 1A
opponents like FSU did last year...

>James

Njan
From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: To all rabid Aggie fans
Keywords: n
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:02:53 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations

In article <1992Sep1.134907.27059@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:
>About the questionable interception...  I watched the tape frame by 
>frame over and over, the ball did hit the ground, and the referee with
>the best view indicated incomplete pass.  So who overruled him?  Who's
>referees were these?  Oh well, that is the way the ball bounces, you 
>just have to live with it...  It's not like we got a fifth down at the
>goal line or anything...  ;-)

I think the tv announcers said they were Big East refs.

And speaking of the Fifth Down, I saw a returning student in Boulder
this weekend with a shirt commemorating the event, which said: "We can
beat you on the field, you can beat us off."
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
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From: bnoble+@cs.cmu.edu (Brian Noble)
Subject: Re: Trojan News
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:18:35 GMT

In article <laagj1INNbar@aludra.usc.edu> bkowal@aludra.usc.edu (Brian A. Kowal) writes:
>You know it's interesting.  I had a friend that went to the school of
>fruits and nuts (Cal).  She had never heard the SC fight song until
>the SC vs Cal game.  After hearing the song a few times during the
>game she had it pretty well memorized.  Yet on the other hand the new
>SC freshman did not remember anything about the Cal band.  Come to
>think of it, I've asked Cal students if they knew their fight song -
>most said no.  Kinda impressive, being able to sing the opposing teams
>fight song on que, but not knowing your own...

Interesting RSFC TidBit...Cal has more official "fight songs" than any
other team in Division I.  We had one really cool one, but Westwood
High stole it.  I guess we just can't decide which one is the official
one.  Mostly only the Greeks know the words, tho.  Do Tribute and
Fight On actually have words, or do y'all just bring kazoos?

>Also, I seem to remember in 1983 I think
>
>USC 66
>Cal 0

1983?????  We have to go back to 1983 to find a good comeback to
*last* year's game?  Come on...surely a Consistent National Power (tm)
can beat the lowly flash-in-the-pan Bears (Also known as Kal's Kardiac
Kids) soundly almost every year you play them?  Face it, the years of
the SoCal teams dominating those from the sfbay are over.  Period.  I,
for one, am glad to be developing some meaningful rivalries with
Westwood High and the University of Spoiled Children, (and continuing
the already interesting one with that small liberal arts institution
across the Bay), rather than having to chant "We Beat the Spread!" at
the end of the game.  Makes for a much more exciting year.  Of course,
we *are* still beating the spread...

Another interesting tidbit: the USC-UCLA rivalry only recently became
the premiere Pac-10 game for the Trojans.  Ask an older alum which P10
team he most hated; chances are his answer will be Cal.  (Someone
posted to this effect last year - sorry I can't attribute it more
closely.)  I'd bet that ND would be the top team, regardless of
conference affiliation, but I'm not sure.

>Fight On!
>
>Brian A. Kowal

Brian
Try Hard Bears!  Be Diligent!
(Cheers from the Dark Years)
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From: delaw@eos.ncsu.edu (DOUGLAS EDWARD LAW )
Subject: Re:(another) coaching move rumor
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:27:27 GMT

   A columnist in the Raleigh N&O reported a rumor yesterday that Ken Hatfield might abandon the Clemson job for the head coaching post at Baylor. The article mentioned something about Hatfield being close friends with the coach-turned-permanent-AD at Baylor. I personally think he'd be crazy to leave Clemson, but you never know.
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Pigskin Classic
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:14:56 GMT
Distribution: na

Jay Shrauner writes

+ on one bounce interception.  That was absurd, and really helped
+ screw things up for Stanford at the end.  There was another missed

Stanford that couldn't get a first down until *after* A&M had scored?
What makes you think they would have gotten anywhere if the call
had gone the other way?

+ Milburn getting his head halfway ripped off by some A&M player grabbing
+ hold of his face mask on a run back.

If you'd pay attention (and I saw most of those head jerks and did
pay attention) to the instant replay, you'd see that it was NOT
the face mask, but rather the chin strap or the ear protector
getting grabbed. 

+ preseason polls?  I mean, with only 1 game played so far, do they bother
+ to adjust the polls (I'm talking AP and such, not computer polls).

I don't think it will hurt Stanford's ranking.

James
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Erickson,Spurrier,Bowden
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:06:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) wrote:
}
}       the football players have the same choices I had.  They have to 
}balance class time and homework with extra-curricular activities and non-
}essentials like eating, sleeping and entertainment, within the constraints of 
}time and whatever money they can earn.
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Okay, how does a football player earn money?  Name one single way a
football player can earn money uder NCAA rules.

}Football is not a job.  Football is an extra-curricular activity, in which 
}participation is its own reward ...

Football is big business.  The players out on the field are generating
ungodly amounts of money and are being grossly undercompensated for it.

If participation in collegiate athletics is its own reward:
    
(1) Why do we pay the coaches, athletic directors, sports information
    directors, trainers, team doctors, etc. etc. etc.?  (I participated
    in extracurricular activities in college - none had any paid advisors
    or administrators.)

(2) Why do we give scholarships at all?  Particularly to athletes in 
    non-revenue sports?

}                               For those players who are not interested in 
}a university education, there should be an alternative so they don't have 
}to fake it. 

I agree absolutely, but for those who do want to go to college (which is
actually the majority) they deserve more reasonable compensation based
on the revenue they generate.  And don't count on the WLAF to be a true
minor league for the NFL, in fact it is not doing well financially and
may be scrapped soon.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

     "I love codfish, I love codfish, I love codfish balls!"
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From: mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson)
Subject: Re: SI Preseason Top 20
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:52:22 GMT

Bob writes:

>POINT OF ORDER.  My house is 2.1 miles from the Atlantic;
>My summer house is ON THE BARNEGAT BAY.  My map shows the 
>Jersey shore 7 or 8 degrees longitude east of Virginia.

Hey, I was just measuring how far I was from where the water begins.


But I'm willing to share the position of head ECMB with you...

>There, of course, is no East Coast Media Bias.

Its ok to talk about it now Bob, the documents have been
declassified.

>There are also no West Coast college teams of note.

I assume by west coast, you mean something like Texas?
Is there anything west of that?

Michael Nelson
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Penn State update
From: mjk@icf.hrb.com (Michael J. Kelley)
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:48:03 EST
Organization: HRB Systems, Inc.

People who don't know all the facts should not post updates to this net.

Freshman Brian Miller is practicing with the team in fact he is the only
freshman running with the second string. So whoever said that he wasn't with
the team is full of crap. 

Bob is a total moron. I made the original post and I have no affiliation with
Penn State. 

Now for some updates:

Freshman Quarterback Wally Richardson will be the backup for John Sacca this
week. Matt Nardilillo has a sore shoulder and will not be able to go should
Sacca go down. Place kicker Craig Fayak would be next if neccesary. He has been
taking snaps this week in practice. 

I can't wait to see Ki-Jana Carter play this Saturday. JoePa says this guy can
flat out fly. He is one of the fastest players ever to play at PSU.

Both punters have had good preseasons and Joe said they would both have the
opportunity to punt in the game.

The team is healthy and I'm looking for a good PSU team to take the field. 

Tisen Thomas is supposed to see some action also as he has made tremendous
progress this preseason.

-- 


                                                              Mike Kelley
                                                              HRB Systems
                                                              St. College, Pa.

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From: dchuk@netcom.com (Denise Chuk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Stanford vs A&M
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:44:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Well, A&M did beat Stanford last night, but I would say a really BAD, and I
mean BAAAAADD call by the zebras helped too.  A turnover in such a close
game sure can made a big difference.  (I don't mean to belittle A&M's win, 
but the stupid call really could, and IMHO did affect the outcome.)

Go Stanford!
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: CAN ANYONE BEAT THE HUSKIES?
Keywords: huskies
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:51:10 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep2.162753.25627@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> mckinzie@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Mark McKinzie) writes:
>
>Wisconsin can.
>Well, maybe they'll beat the Vegas line against the Huskies.
>
>(I still think UW will beat UW by fewer than 20 points.)
>
>-- 
>Mark McKinzie          	|    We just won't eat on Sunday
>mckinzie@math.wisc.edu 	|    Got to buy him a limousine
>UW Dept. of Mathematics	|    Somewhere to live, somewhere to pray. 
>Madison, WI 53706      	|               -RJD, "TV Crimes"-

  If that line still holds by Sept 12 it just may be worth a trip
to Tahoe!

  Doug
-- 
                                                     Doug Fierro
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From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: A college player's thoughts on a stipend...
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:19:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Btww7u.n4o
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


This is not a flame, merely a quetion.  Are the ath. eligble for other
financial aid?  They should be able to bring their total aid package
(scholarship+pell grants+stafford loan) to the amount the school esitimates
it will cost per semester.  Most of the time, it seems like the amount they
esitimate is quite generous, at least in the public schools I've attended.
(TAMU & U of Ill.)

Todd
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Aggies 10, Cardinal 7
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:45:00 GMT

Cliff Slaughterbeck (crs@milton.u.washington.edu) wrote:
: *  It was an unfortunately bad call on that INT that turned the ball over
:    for the Cardinal.  Replays clearly showed that it was interference and
:    that the ball hit the ground.  Hard to say if this is what made the
:    difference in the game though.  TAMU still had 60+ yards to go for the
:    TD drive, and Stanford was still 30+ from the end zone when it happened.

First, A&M's touchdown drive *DID NOT* start off of an interception.  The
field goal drive did, but it *WAS NOT* the bad interception call.  The
INT that started the field goal drive was when Stenstrom got into trouble
and threw the ball as far as he could, which ended up a couple of yards
shy of his receiver.  It was a clean interception, and the receiver made
a nice ankle tackle to prevent any runback.

After the bad call INT, A&M brought in Matt Miller, who was sacked on third
down, and punted.  Three plays and out.  No touchdown, no score.  Period.
$tanfraud took the punt and went a few plays and punted.  THIS WAS NOT A
MAJOR FACTOR IN THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME!!!

-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
From: vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Remember Todd Ellis? From SC?
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:10:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug27.151026.1546
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

WHERE IS TODD? He blew it in his preseason opening drive at
Denver, but is he in Arena football or the WLAF? WHere is he these
days? Is he sitting at home putting his USC degree to work?
I haven't been in SC long enough recently to ask anyone at
Carolina hwere he went, but if any of you know, I'd appreciate
it.. :)

-- Venk --
From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: A&M vs. Stanford
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:11:00 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley

In article <1992Aug27.145327.23736@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:
>In <66980@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU writes:
>
>> 
>> Although not an Aggie fan, I too got tired of hearing about "Walsh's genius."
>> They only scored 7 points?  Not really mind-numbing offense is it?
>> BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
>
>  Indeed.  Were these not the worst announcers?  They didn't know a damn thing
>about A&M.  Did they get Stanford "color" right?  All I heard was about how
>much of a genius Walsh was, how the Ags were "stymied" on both sides of the
>

Part of the problem was that the play-by-play guy does Pac-10 basketball
during the winter on Raycom, and maybe some football as well. Even with
teams he knows well, he seems to only be able to keep one thing in his
head during a game, and it's usually something along as enlightening as
"Boy, Adam Keefe sure is good" during the hoops season. What with all 
those extra positions and such in football, he probably figured the only
way he could remember anything about the teams was to repeat "Walsh is a 
genius" every 3 minutes. 

Hey, at least A&M won. He would have been calling them the Longhorns
or Razorbacks if Stanford had pulled ahead by more than a touchdown. 

Ken B. 
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From: garys@cs.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Subject: Aggieness 
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 18:21:11 GMT

In article <19300@ector.cs.purdue.edu> sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes:
>}} In article <1992Aug20.220036.12688@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:
>}} 
>}} ps - am I not an aggie?  I never finished my degree there, but did go there
>}} 	for seven years...
>
>If ever a sentence summed up aggieness, I think that is it.

Nah, I think these sentences do a much better job....

    Some may boast of prowess bold,
    Of the school they think so grand,
    But there's a spirit that ne'er be told,
    It's the Spirit of Aggieland.
    ...
    After they've boasted all the rest,
    They will come and join the best,
    For we are the Aggies, the Aggies are we,
    We're from Texas AMC.
               Spirit of Aggieland


- goober (after they've boasted all the rest,
          they will come and join the best) smith
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From: acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: Erickson,Spurrier,Bowden
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 31 Aug 1992 17:07 EST  

In article <67166@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes...
>acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) wrote:
>}
>}I was bored being stuck at a dorm on weekends.  I ended up doing (GASP!) 
>}homework.
> 
>That was your choice.  You could have also chosen to make some money
>and spend it on dates on weekends, a choice which the football players
>are denied.

This assumes that I could have gotten a date.  But my personal problems 
aside, the football players have the same choices I had.  They have to 
balance class time and homework with extra-curricular activities and non-
essentials like eating, sleeping and entertainment, within the constraints of 
time and whatever money they can earn.

>These coaches didn't say they wanted to let the players skip all
>their classes, they just said they wanted them to be paid for all
>the effort they put forward and the money they *earn*.

Football is not a job.  Football is an extra-curricular activity, in which 
participation is its own reward (how many net.readers would pass it up 
given the opportunity to participate?).  For scholarship players, a paid 
education is added incentive.  For those players who are not interested in 
a university education, there should be an alternative so they don't have 
to fake it.  That's why I suggested the WLAF.  I hope that over time, the 
WLAF will increasingly focus on talented high school players who have no 
desire (or ability) to complete a college education, and will provide them 
an alternate route to the NFL, with monetary compensation along the way.  
This would go a long way toward restoring integrity to the college game.

>Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

R Dendy
From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: A&M is way-cool (was: something about cajun-high)
Date: 4 Sep 92 05:02:20 GMT
	<1992Sep3.222741.17550@ods.com>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

}} In article <1992Sep3.222741.17550@ods.com> scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:
}} 
}} SMITH LISA MIN-YI (chen@a.cs.okstate.edu) wrote:
}} : My prediction:
}} : 
}} :   LSU 100
}} :   A&M   2
}} 
}} Yo Lisa, is dat da mini-lsu, or da regular lsu?
}} 
}} ps. Are you taking lsu and giving 98 points?  Goober might even be able
}}     to feed momma and the new kid with that!

Knock, knock.  That *is* momma, with the new kid...

Lisa Smith, Gary "Goober" Smith; get it?

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
          Did you use yew boughs to make the bows to shoot the ewes?

             If I don't want it in my back yard, I don't want it.
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: LSU/A&M Spread?
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:17:33 GMT

nelson jordan (nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com) wrote:
:  Has anybody seen the line on this game? If so, please post it. Thanks.

From _The_Dallas_Morning_News_ 9/1  (once again)

Favorite    Open    Curr    Underdog
--------    ----    ----    --------
Texas A&M    9.5       9    at LSU

No overunder spread given.

-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: A&M BEATS BILL WALSH
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:30:22 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <JEFF.92Aug27095403@neuron.cs.tamu.edu> jeff@neuron.cs.tamu.edu writes:

> Re: the MVP for A&M versus Stanford 
> > but when he was put back in for the 4th, he was a different QB than in
> > the first half; he went 8-19 for 116 yds. plus a TD to TE Greg Schorp.
> > He (Granger) was somehow named MVP of the game by Raycom.
> 
> I think it was TE Greg Schorp, who caught four passes for 68 yards, that
> was named the game's MVP.  He really made a name for himself in the
> fourth quarter.  His touchdown catch over that linebacker at the back of
> the endzone was one that will long be remembered.

  Granger was named MVP by the Raycom boys.  Who knows who the other sports-
casters on the A&M radio network and the Stanford network named theirs?

  I dunno myself.  Granger pulled himself together and deserves some respect
for that, but I'd rather he was that way the whole game.  Schorp was great,
making some tough catches, and Aaron Glenn was pretty spectacular on the
defensive side.

  Personally, I think the MVP should have been a defender, either an Aggie or
that #29 (60?) fellow from Stanford.

semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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