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From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Subject: Swimming in Vancouver (was Naturist meetings in Finland
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:38:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.174330.3642@nntp.hut.fi> tsahib@vipunen.hut.fi (Tero Juhani Heikkinen) writes:
>My apologies if this isn't the right newsfroup for this, but...

Sounds like the right newsgroup to me.  In fact, I'll add some similar
info...

Now that the air in Vancouver is cooling off (yesterday's high was only
16C and it was *very* sunny) not much is happening at Wreck Beach.  We too
have moved indoors.  Two groups organize nude (not CO) swim nights once
a month throughout the winter.  Both pools have a sauna and jacuzzi.
There is always a volleyball net (the floating variety).

Wreck Beach Swim Club
  - meets the 3rd saturday of each month at Lord Byng pool in Vancouver.
  - 8:30 - 10:00 PM
  - Cost is (I think) $3.50.  A $1 discount is given to WBSC members.
    Membership is about $3.
  - Holidays and school closures sometimes interfere.

Van Tan Club
  - Meets 1st saturday of each month (2nd saturday of January) at
    William Griffin pool in North Vancouver.
  - 7:30 - 9:30 PM
  - Cost is similar to WBSC prices.
  - Complete schedule for this winter: Oct 3, Nov 7, Dec 5, Jan 9,
    Feb 6, Mar 6, Apr 3, May 1, June 5.

I go to most of the WBSC events, and occasionally to the Van Tan swims.

Bill.
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Bill Arnett                            Internet: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca
From: ales@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ales Fiala)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:15:47 GMT
Subject: Re: health clubs (sports in general) at nudist resorts
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.nude

> In flipping through the ASA guide, it doesn't appear that there are many
> sports facilities at clubs.  Particularly, we were disappointed at the
> lack of weight-training equipment at Paradise (see previous post).  In
> reading about other clubs there doesn't appear to be much out there.  Sand
> volleyball courts and outdoor tennis courts are about it.
>
> Why no demand for a fitness center, including a weight room, indoor track,
> court sports, etc.?

I belong to a non-landed club, the Rocky Mountain Bares, in Denver.
They hold their socials in a health club, once a month in the summer,
twice a month in winter.  They rent out the whole place on Saturday
evenings, when the health club would be otherwise closed.

The health club has a swimming pool and a large jacuzzi, sauna, steam
room, weight machines, exercycles, etc., as would be typical for a
health club.  But I must admit that the exercise equipment does not
get much use.  Most people just use the pool or the jacuzzi.

I think that many nudists do nudist activities for recreation and
relaxation reasons rather than health or body conditioning reasons.
I know I do.  These things are not always separate, but they are different.

This club has also organized scuba diving lessons in the past, hikes, and
(clothed) skiing trips, though they have not had any activities like
this lately.

> I'd a thought there would be a lot more interest from a group of people that
> tend to be health conscious (I know, it's an over-generalization).  While on
> that point, why so many cigarette smokers???

I have also noticed that there is a large number of smokers in the
two nudist organizations that I belong to.  I don't know why that
is.  I may be spoiled by my smoke-free work environment.

> If I were to organize a landed club, would there be enough interest
> ($ from users/guests) to support an indoor sports facility and a complete
> indoor non-smoking policy?

Rather than investing in a facility like this, why don't you first give it a
try by renting out a health club like the RMB do.  This should give you
an indication of the level of interest without investing a lot of money
into a landed club.
From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: HELP for a friend. "indecent exposure" at Crane's Beach.
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:43:46 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1avke1INN9ou@gap.caltech.edu> brahm@cco.caltech.edu (David E. Brahm) writes:
>dwatts@ki.com (Dan Watts) writes:
>> [a friend] frequented Crane's Beach and being a nudist, enjoyed the
>> weather sans clothing. As I understand it, he was out of the way and
>> wasn't bothering anyone.  Appearently, a ranger [?] happened apon him and
>> gave him a ticket or some such.  He now has to appear in court.
>
>Again, you must check what law/ordinance is written on the ticket, and look
>up its severity in your local law library.  How you proceed depends a great
>deal upon the answer.

  
Excellent advice, however I would guess that since he just got  a ticket
and wasn't arrested he's not in too much trouble. Methinks if he tells
the judge he saw no warning signs (there aren't  any) and he's seen people
do it before (I have, anyway) and since the summer is over he didn't think
he was doing anything wrong. I wouldn't suggest trying to  make it a  test
case. Crane's is private property.
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: jpurbric@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Purbrick)
Subject: Re: HELP for a friend. "indecent exposure" at Crane's Beach.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 05:23:13 GMT

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler) writes:
>>What business does a ranger have enforcing such a law in this case?
>>Is there established precedent for this, or is this the private
>>property of the state in some odd way?

dza@unixland.natick.ma.us (David Archer) writes:
>The "ranger" is probably hired by the Park Reserve Association (or whatever
>it's called) to enforce their rules.  Also I think they frown on the nudity
>in large part due to the fact that there is a "problem" there with many 
>gay men engaging in sexual activities in the dunes.  

Crane's Beach is owned by a nonprofit group called the "Massachusetts Trustees
of Reservations". I'd assume that a "ranger" there would be an employee or 
contractor of the organization.

The straight world tends to go crazy over gay sex in semi-public places, but 
I never heard of straights going to a habitual place to indulge in quickies
(OK, the Bois de Boulogne). If this guy was there for sex rather than nudism,
he's lost my sympathy. If he was there for nudism rather than sex, he's not
likely to think too highly of gays from now on.

John Purbrick
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: mvsaf1@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (steve-o)
Subject: Re: TV Shows airing nudity 
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:31:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.202954.13486@octel.com> marc@octel.com (Marc Lewert), it was written:
>I did not see either the "Civil Wars" ro "Dooggie Houser" shows.  It seems
>to me that this is getting so much attention only because it was on a "major
>network".
>
	Make that two of us that missed those (when does repeat season start?)

>It seems to me I saw full frontal nudity without sexual connotations as far
>back as 10-20 years ago on PBS (Public Broadcasting System).  I do not know
>if they have had anything recently, but there may have been something on
>childbirth on "Nova" a few years ago.
>
>I guess for me, nudity on the air waves is no big deal.
>
	Did anyone happend to see that Shaka Zulu (sp?) was on TNT last week. Itran for a few days and had the standard disclaimer after each commercial warning
that it contained nudity that may be offensive to some viewers.  

								steve-o
From: millman@indigo.bear.com (Phillip Millman)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Big Time Nudity on Cable!
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:27:51 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Artistically it is an excellent movie.  I have really enjoyed for its acting
and script.  Nudity is just incidental to the story as it should be in
life!!

Naturally

Phillip Millman
millman@bear.com
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The opinions expressed are those of Phillip Millman and not that of 
Bear Stearns & Co. Inc.  I think it is better that way.
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght)
Subject: nude places in NC
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:39:01 GMT

Any camps, resorts, lakes or any such thing in the Charlotte North
Carolina area?

Jim
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: clothing sexy
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:36:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: unisql.3926
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Oct09.130932.21797@bmerh85.bnr.ca> glenm@bnr.ca writes:
>This would appear to be bringing overt sexuality into the club atmosphere.

	Good. Sex is fun.
From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Anonymity (was Re: Name
Date: 13 Oct 1992 17:28:30 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In article <1992Oct13.024232.23858@eskimo.celestial.com> wix@eskimo.celestial.com (Dennis Wicks) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.102347.5877@unixg.ubc.ca> arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett) writes:
>>Once again, I'll say I don't think anonymous post are necessary or
>>desirable. Anyone wanting to post anonymously should pick someone
>>they trust and ask that person to post for them.
            ^
	    ...by reading this list...
	    
>And just how would you suggest they find that person?  I certainly
>don't know anyone that I could ask to do that.  Everyone I can 
>think of has just as much at risk as I do!

I already suggested that a few "regulars" should be listed in the FAQ.
If you can't trust *any* of us, why would you want our opinions?

Note that if a server is configured to allow anonymous posts the system
administrators will be able to see who you are anyway, so you still don't
have complete anonymity.

>>(I will post messages for people who ask me to. Though, obviously, I'm
>>not going to post anything that I think is unsuitable.)
>Thanks for the offer, Bill, but no thanks!  a) I don't know you,
>b) Your idea of what is suitable may not match mine, and c) for all

Hey, I'm not going to force anyone.  :-)  My idea of suitable not matching
yours is precisely why I don't think that there should just be *one*
person involved with deciding what gets posted anonymously.

>I know, you are a CIA agent collecting incriminating posts to be 
>used against future presidential candidates!  :-)

Damn!  My cover's blown!  How'd you find out? :-)

Bill.
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Bill Arnett                            Internet: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca
From: jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght)
Subject: Re: Implants
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 01:18:40 GMT

arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett) writes:


>>To: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca
>>Subject: Anon Post Request

>           Here  goes!  The  many messages about erections cover a normal
>       condition that can  be  corrected.  I  due  to  being  an  Insulin
>       dependant diabetic for many years became impotent.  This occurs in
>       almost all males who take insulin for more than a couple of years.
>       The  situation  starts  slowly and gradually gets worse.  When all
>       of a sudden you realize you cannot  under  any  condition  get  an
>       erection.  I  did not want my sex life to cease, so about 10 years
>       ago I opted to have a penal implant.  The results of  the  surgery
>       is noticeable even when the implant is not inflated.  Some are not
>       the inflatable type those constantly stay semi-rigid.

I was surprised by this post.  Not by the inhumanity of humanity but by
the fact that insulin would do this.  My wife is an insulin dependant
diabetic and diabetes runs in my family which means there is concern
that I will develop the symptoms over the years. 
We have been married just over a year.  There is so much to
learn that niether of us have learned it all.  I had never heard that
taking insulin would do this to a male.  If Mr. Anonymous is reading I
would be interested in learning more about Diebetes from you through
e-mail.  Your story raises the first obvious question... Is there
anyting that might happen to a female over extended time on insulin that
correlates to the male condition you described?  Will having children be
a problem?  (we know about the extra effort needed in blood sugar
control and the added time in the hospital to have a child but are there
dangers that she will not be able to have one?)  We are trying hard to
learn but the more we learn the more we discover we need to learn.  I
would appreciate some education from wherever I can find it.

>           If the person you see is an old fart come say hello to me.
  
Well old fart, how about teaching a young fart a thing or two that he
realy needs to know?

You can respond to me at jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu
From: wtjones@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Bill Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: socks
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:56:28 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA

If you are on the front cover of a cd then wear a sock....Red Hot Chilli Peppers
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin)
Subject: Re: Name
Reply-To: glenm@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 13:03:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.025630.24475@eskimo.celestial.com>, wix@eskimo.celestial.com (Dennis Wicks) writes:
|> Sorry, Tom.  That just isn't true.  I, for one, could not find anyone
|> to post an article for me.  No, I haven't looked or asked.  It is that
|> I don't know of anyone that is in any better position than I am to
|> make some of their opinions and views a matter of public knowledge.

Well, I guess what we need is a published list of individuals willing
for forward posts anonymously. Several people here seem to reasonably
solid and non-controversial, and I would have no trouble asking them
to post for *me*. Of course, I have no problem posting anyway ...

Despite what you say, my views and activities are pretty much public
knowledge. I don't let the openness of this forum prevent me from
discussing my lifestyle. And, for the record, I am willing to
anonymously post any missives from those whose work or private lives
would be adversely affected by posting here.

glen

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Glen Martin              Bell-Northern Research          Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Phone : (613) 763-7299   Fax: (613) 763-2626             Internet: glenm@bnr.ca
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From: brahm@cco.caltech.edu (David E. Brahm)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: HELP for a friend. "indecent exposure" at Crane's Beach.
Date: 7 Oct 1992 21:22:09 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu
Summary: Advice depends on what the charge is.

dwatts@ki.com (Dan Watts) writes:
> [a friend] frequented Crane's Beach and being a nudist, enjoyed the
> weather sans clothing. As I understand it, he was out of the way and
> wasn't bothering anyone.  Appearently, a ranger [?] happened apon him and
> gave him a ticket or some such.  He now has to appear in court.

This sounds a lot like what happened to me 2 years ago at Point Dume,
Malibu, CA, as many rec.nude old-timers will recall.  First find out what
kind of offense he was charged with; in my case it was an "infraction"
(like a parking ticket), which is less serious even than a misdemeanor.  If
that's all it is, don't worry too much about it unless he wants to fight it
on general principles.  In fact, requesting a jury trial may (the judge
told me) require upgrading the charge to misdemeanor.

> In the past, I've heard other netters say that requesting a trial-by-jury
> many times can get the case dismissed because the courts don't want a
> test case.

I don't think this is correct; at the lowest level of criminal court,
individual cases do not set any important precedent, even if your
particular jury sees fit to override the law.  Rather, requesting a trial,
especially a jury trial, _may_ persuade them to drop the case, but this
works better when large numbers of offenders are involved.  If you request
a trial, be prepared to go through with it.

> Should he pay the $$ and hire a good attorney to represent him?

There are 2 reasons why he might want to hire a lawyer:
 1) He has the $$ to spend and wants to get revenge on "the system",
 2) He doesn't want the conviction on his record (e.g. for employment).
The lawyer's strategy will be quite different in each case, so choose one.

Otherwise, my best advice is to request a judge trial, hope the ranger
doesn't bother to show up; if he does then give a rousing defense and
expect to lose.

> What are the ramifications of being convicted of "indecent exposure"?

Again, you must check what law/ordinance is written on the ticket, and look
up its severity in your local law library.  How you proceed depends a great
deal upon the answer.

--
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A loose affiliation of millionaires and    |  (brahm@cco.caltech.edu)
  billionaires and Baby ...                |---- Carpe Post Meridiem! --
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And don't cry, Baby, don't cry, don't cry. | Disclaimer: I'm no lawyer.
From: noid@nick.csh.rit.edu (ky the art fag!!)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Art modeling (was: Re: another model)
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:11:02 GMT
Organization: Computer Science House @ RIT

In article <1992Oct09.130436.21689@bmerh85.bnr.ca> glenm@bnr.ca writes:
>|> at anyone who looked up.  This was so distracting to her that she didn't
>|> finish her sketch.
>
>This is unfortunate. My understanding, based on a life modeling seminar
>I attended, is that the best models do this. They make eye contact with
>anyone who looks up, giving the illusion that they are modelling just for
>you - it's just you and them, and the rest of the room doesn't matter.
>
>The fact that she was uncomfortable with this suggests that she wasn't
>interested in the *person* - she was interested in a hunk of meat. The
>artist of nudes had better get used to *people* who are nude - they
>have to try to capture the personality as expressed in the pose.
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Glen Martin              Bell-Northern Research          Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
>Phone : (613) 763-7299   Fax: (613) 763-2626             Internet: glenm@bnr.ca
>                        Yet another hobby-artist.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


being a student of the fine arts i can see what you are trying to say,  but 
	as i've underlined, you are going for the pose.  you usually don't
	have to much time to soul search the model on top of that.
plus my classes have at least 20 people in them, and you are told to keep your 
	eyes on the model about 99% of the time.  for ANY model to look
	anyone in the eye who looks, up might be rather difficult.
in the upper levels of a fine arts major, i would assume that you would have
	time to get to know the person and incorpuate them into the picture.
	but at freshman and sophomore levels you are only interested in the
	form,  yes, basically all you are supposed to look at is the "hunk 
	of meat."  all the personality you are supposed to put into your early
	"still learning" stages is what you get from the pose itself and more
	importantly, your own personality.



-simply noid
From: leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: NY TV Show airs nudity - E.T. Mentions Warning
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:41:37 GMT
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication

>PBS has traditionally been better about the whole affair,
although in recent years major donors have threatened
to stop sponsorship if certain shows were aired, some
on the basis that they showed the nude human form in
some degree or another.<

How about the PBS show a few weeks ago, or is it months now, that showed
nude lesbians in sexual scenes. Nothing real hard core, but it left no
doubt thaqt it was a sexual act.
-----
Lee Dronick
ProLine: leed@pro-harold
Internet: leed@pro-harold.cts.com
UUCP: crash!pro-harold!leed
From: usage@mcl.ucsb.edu (Mel Landin)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Xplicit and Dr. Dean?
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:56:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: mcl.usage.719261784

Hi. Did anyone catch that show with the Xplicit players?
I think it was Dr Dean last Wednesday.
I was thinking about starting such a thing here,
I know there are a lot of people interested in such a thing here.
Thanks

Lara (using a friend's account)
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: aceptable actions?
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:30:16 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <3887@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:

> In article <ringo.718382008@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo) writes:
>>What's wrong with masturbation?

> 	Nothing's "wrong" with masturbation.  Public sexual displays are
> simply rude and can be unsanitary - I object to used condoms in the bushes
> as much as I object to piles of empty beer cans in the bushes.  I don't see
> anything wrong with asking people not to be rude and go jerk off in the sand
> dunes if they _must_ have immediate release...  

Then the environmentalists are offended when the guy walks on the sand dunes
and destroys the natural vegatation that's holding the dune in place.  But,
once again, there's nothing wrong with masturbation. ;-)

Terry
From: Francene.Florio@f583.n107.z1.ieee.org (Francene Florio)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: RE: CLOTHING SEXY
Date: 11 Oct 92 01:31:22 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:107/583 - Starship ][, Lyndhurst NJ

Very Good Topic!  This subject is very in tune to what I am experiencing
today.  I would like to think about this just a bit before I reply. Running
out of time on BBS.  Before I go...Just want to say that I'm in my thirties
and have been interested in Naturist Activities and for me now its been
difficult "Finding the line" to draw between when one is nude and when one
looks at another and gets excited.  I dont know how to put it, but its hard
for me to think that a person is sexy.  I just dont think on those terms
anymore.  I'm a bit unique.  
Francene
In my words,"Everyone is Beautiful"  Whether a 10 or other is how 'Normal
people catergorize others.  I feel that everyone is natually the person that
are today.  Someone might 
have a physical abnormallity, but thats ok - they cant help it
IFrancene


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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: stephane@xrtll.uucp (Stephane Deschenes)
Subject: Re: End of my thread Open Sexuality in rec.nude
Organization: WCOM Public Access Unix - Toronto
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:28:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.083629.18604@tfs.com> ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
>
>I claim that in fact nudity == sex, in that you cannot look at a naked body
>and not know that it is a sexual body. Clothes are used to hide our genitals
>for this very reason. The fear this claim provokes is unfounded. The fear is

1) A body need not be nude for me to know that it is a sexual body.  Usually,
I find scantally clad bodies more sexual than nude ones.  (I think many
magazines have also realized this.)

2) IMO, clothing was originally "invented" to keep warm.  The fact that they
are now used to hide genetelia is a recent perverrsion.


-- 
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: aceptable actions?
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:19:31 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <6994@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:
>Then the environmentalists are offended when the guy walks on the sand dunes

	Ok, _behind_ the sand dunes, then...