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From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: More about George's Albert Hall concert
Date: 13 Apr 92 07:26:50 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

From article <4356@calmasd.Prime.COM>, by jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski):
> In article <1992Apr6.130413.15896@syma.sussex.ac.uk> andy@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Andy Clews) writes:
> <
> <Yesterday, on a giant sound-stage at Shepperton film studios in
> <Surrey, Harrison led his hastily assembled band through last-minute
> <rehearsals. When the Press were admitted, the group was mid-way
> <through a raucous version of the old Beatles number "Taxman", a
> <protest song written in a different political era; younger members of
> <tonight's audience may well be baffled by its references to a "Mr
> <Wilson" and a "Mr Heath".
> 
> 	Edward Heath seems to be alive and well, I frequently catch
> him on C-SPAN.  Has changed very little since the 60s, amazingly.
> 


Heath was re-elected to parliament last week - aged 76.

Wilson is in retirement in the Scilly Isles.  A chum who spotted him
there last year said he was showing signs of great age - altho he is
probably only late 70's.

Stephen Carter, Systems Manager, The Administration,
The University of Sussex, Falmer, Brighton BN1 9RH, UK
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From: srm1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (steven.r.marcovici)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Another Damn Poll
Summary: John didn't write those words
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:59:10 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr16.190643.14332@u.washington.edu> mousktr@milton.u.washington.edu (Denise Lockner) writes:
>
>I know it's not a Beatles song, but IMHO one of the most beautiful
>songs John ever wrote was "Beautiful Boy."  It contains one of the
>best lines he ever wrote: "Life is what happens to you while
>you're busy making other plans."   Just my $0.02.
>

I agree, it is a great line.
But, John didn't write it. It is a quotation from another source.
Unfortunately my damaged brain isn't telling me WHO originally said
it. I'm sure there's someone out there who can Help!

"Nothing is real; nothing to get hung about."
-Steve  srm@garage.att.com
From: ganjavi (Ray Ganjavi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Ringo's concert
Date: 3 Apr 92 16:27:46 GMT
Reply-To: ganjavi (Ray Ganjavi)
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Ringo has a concert scheduled at the Greek Theatre in August - one night only.
My question is do you think he'll schedule more dates in Southern California,
or is his schedule all set and concrete. This is sort of a general question 
and I think some experienced concert goers cold answer it. Thanks a lot.

-- 
Ray Ganjavi
FileNet Corporation, Costa Mesa, CA
ganjavi@filenet.com
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From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: Lennon and the radical left
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 02:36:55 GMT

In article <sl5quINN9sa@agate.berkeley.edu> bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) writes:
>I am proud to count myself a member of the radical left.
>
>I am not violent.
>
>I don't think there's anything mysterious about the death of John Lennon.
>

Well then, good for you.  I obviously was not speaking to you, and I
apologize to you if you were offended by my use of the term "radical left."

>
>There are a few paranoid kooks in the world whose paranoia is expressed
>in radical left vocabulary.  There are also paranoid kooks (more of them,
>I think you'll find) on the right, and apolitical paranoid kooks.  What's
>important about those people is their illness, not their politics.
>

Agreed, and the term "religious right" is probably bandied about a bit too
casually also.   However, I don't consider people such as the
_High Times_ writer, or Todd Loren (or Richard Nixon, for that matter)
to be *ill*.  They simply have different political views.  What I was
objecting to was the fact that these extremely biased people were publishing
their version of history in blatant disregard of the truth, and of John 
Lennon's own words.

>"Imagine no possessions" doesn't mean that you can't have your own
>toothbrush.  It means that nobody should have vast concentrations
>of wealth, that greed should not be rewarded or praised, and that
>everyone should have enough to eat.
>
>This is a radical left view.  John Lennon said it.  This is what
>"radical left" means -- not violence.

But the majority of people would not consider it to be a "radical left"
view.  Most people would simply call it nieve, and somewhat quaint. 

Re: the other posts.  The KGO story is somewhat disquieting.  The gentleman
you mention sounds genuinely mentally ill.  Richard Nixon is consistently used
as the bad guy.  The Nixon hounding of John (through the Department of
Immigration and Naturalization) has been well documented.  According to these
recent stories, the Republican party feared John's return to the public eye
in 1980.  They supposedly feared he would "make trouble" for the Reagan 
administration.  (since they were a clone Nixon administration).  So, to
rid themselves of the threat, they used their "CIA voodoo" and brainwashed a
young man to kill John.  This is essentially the way Bresler presents it
in his book.

The Steven King allegations are new, and not covered by Bresler in his book.
If I had to guess, I would assume it's some sort of vague "Illuminati"
theory.  ( A long story, which I have neither the time, nor the inclination
to go into here. )  A handy catch-all group to explain virtually the entire
history of human-kind.

<ESC>


-- 
I want a short-haired girl (who) sometimes wears it twice as long
                                               -- George Harrison
From: hymowitz@SERVER.CS.JHU.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Finger Blisters (was Re: SHAVED FISH)
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:38:47 GMT
Organization: The Incredibly Huge Corporation

nahas1@husc8.harvard.edu (Stephanie Nahas) writes:
>gaukur@rhi.hi.is (Kristjan Gaukur Kristjansson) writes:
>>fanyl@vms2.iscs.nus.sg (FAN YENG LOON) writes:
>>>"I've got blisters on my fingers!" - Ringo
>>I always thought that the blisters were John's... are they really Ringo's???
>Hey, now this is a bit interesting. I had first thought that this was
>PAUL'S line. Then I read or heard or perceived by extra sensory means

you _all_ missed the boat.

on this morning's episode of g.i. joe, a character named metalhead
shouted it, as he trashed new york city.

draft saki for president.

--hymie
hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu                                         hymie@jhuvms.bitnet
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and don't call me 'mr.'  first i get old, then i get respect? aaarg!
--me
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From: ehenry@hydra.unm.edu (Elizabeth Henry CIRT-IRC)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: eight arms to hold you
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:25:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.vnrjc+c
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Joe "All Together Now" "D
B
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From: timelord@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey JACOBS)
Subject: Re: Hey Jude, the album
Summary: French Copy
Organization: The Query Master Syndicate.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:47:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.180844.4670@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Brian.A.Gordon@dartmouth.edu (Brian A. Gordon) writes:
>I was curious as to the history of this album, which I believe is
>American-only?  It contains: 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Funny, I bought mine in France, where it had been sitting around since
1967, if you can believe it.  It was in fact printed by EMI in England.
Interestingly enough, the title on the album is "The Beatles Again."

>Can't Buy Me Love               Hey Jude
>I Should Have Known Better      Don't Let Me Down
>Paperback Writer                Old Brown Shoe
>Rain                            Ballad of John & Yoko
>Lady Madonna
>Revolution
>
>Was it released during the time the Beatles were still together?  I
>have a tendency to file it chronologically before Abbey Road, and I was
>wondering if anyone out there in r.m.b-land had any insights.

My above answer should answer that question.
From: jtull+@pitt.edu (Richard A Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Review: George at the Albert Hall
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:17:10 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I believe that I heard that the show will be released officially.`


Later,

Rick
From: dennis@hpwrce.HP.COM (Dennis Alstrand)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:57:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Shared Vocals (was Re: Lennon/McCartney)
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles


In article <1992Apr9.150619.562@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
rgp39716@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rahul G. Patwari) writes:

> In how many Beatles's songs was there a sharing of lead vocals, i.e.
> "A Day In The Life" whercan't
> think of any others (I only have _Help!_ and beyond, though).


Before submitting my list, there were a few songs that John and Paul sang
in 'unision', creating what sounded like one voice.  Day Tripper and I Want
To Hold Your Hand fall into this category.

Here's my best shot:

ANY TIME AT ALL - Begins with John singing Any Time At All, followed up
		  by Paul repeating the line
ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE - (technically qualifies with Paul singing She Loves You)
A DAY IN THE LIFE 
A HARD DAYS NIGHT
THE CONTINUING STORY OF BUNGALOW BILL - Yoko takes a line
I'VE GOT A FEELING
LOVE ME DO (technically qualifies as John sings the lead on the two part chorus
	    with Paul taking the solo verses. If I'm not mistaken, John used to
	    sing the solo verse, but due to harmonica playing on the record,
	    handed it over to Paul.)
SHE'S LEAVING HOME (sort of - answering lines - kind of the opposite of the
		    following)
WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM MY FRIENDS - John/Paul 'questioning' lines to Ringo.

And finally, at the risk of being flamed, the Let It Be version of Get
Back with John's intro verse (Sweet Loretta Fat she thought she was a cleaner,
but she was a frying pan).  I think Paul should have used it!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Farewell to Sam Kineson

Dennis
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From: Treefrog@cup.portal.com (Edward Thomas Keller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: FAME School and the Beatles
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 22:50:27 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Apr10.195645.4052@verifone.com>
  <1992Apr12.232507.15241@tigger.jvnc.net>

richh@tigger.jvnc.net (RICHH) writes:

>kent_f1@verifone.com writes:
>
>>I agree.  I think it very well have killed the whole thing.  Keep in
>>mind where the pre-Brian Teddy leather-clad Beatles were coming from.
>>Having to mold their talents into a school's format would have destroyed
>>the rebel-ness that the Fabs had and represented.  I think that a
>>Fame school of 1950's workingclass Liverpool would have been a
>>far cry from the 1980's television show set in New York City.
>
>Also, keep in mind that the only person who has graduated from the FAME
>school who has achieved any sort of notoriety is, I believe, Melissa
>Manchester.

Ah! And Manchester's not very far from Liverpool!  I see the connection!
:-) :-) ;-) :-)

peace
Edward
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From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: Hey Jude, the album
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:44:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.184120.19930@menudo.uh.edu> edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.165336.15760@infonode.ingr.com> nelson@palmerc@abulafia.b21.ingr.com (Nelson Jordan) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr11.180844.4670@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Brian.A.Gordon@dartmouth.edu (Brian A. Gordon) writes:
>>>I was curious as to the history of this album, which I believe is
>>>American-only?  It contains: 
>>>
>>>Can't Buy Me Love               Hey Jude
>>>I Should Have Known Better      Don't Let Me Down
>>>Paperback Writer                Old Brown Shoe
>>>Rain                            Ballad of John & Yoko
>>>Lady Madonna
>>>Revolution
>>>
>>>Was it released during the time the Beatles were still together?  I
>>>have a tendency to file it chronologically before Abbey Road, and I was
>>>wondering if anyone out there in r.m.b-land had any insights.
>>
>> "Hey Jude" was released in the U.S. in 2-70. "Abbey Road" was released in
>>10-69.
>>
>
>"It's deja vu all over again" 
>(yet another recycled topic :-)
>
>According to legend, reported in many sources such as the fairly reliable
>_The Beatles on Record_ by Mark Wallgreen, Capitol had already begun taking
>orders for the "Get Back" LP.  However, the Beatles pulled the LP at the last
>minute, leaving Capitol in the lurch.  Therefore, they manufactured this 
>product specifically for the North American market.  The justification for this
>project was a collection of songs not previously found on LP, and stereo
>versions of songs previously available only in mono.  There are three
>variations of the packaging, two commonly available:
>
>1) "The Beatles Again" - Musically the same as "Hey Jude".  However, the
>    front cover photo of "TBA" was the back cover photo on "Hey Jude", and
>    the back cover photo of "TBA" was the front cover of "Hey Jude".
>
>2) "Hey Jude" - The covers and record name was changed quickly.
>    However, there were *many* already pressed records with the name "TBA" 
>    printed on the label.  So, rather then junking them, they just issued 
>    these in the revised covers.  There are several hundred thousand of these
>    around
>
>3) "Hey Jude" - correct labels on the record.
>
>The record was *originally* a North America-only release, but it was obviously
>issued elsewhere later.  Don't have my source material here with me, but
>will check on that later.
>

Minor correction:  The "Hey Jude" LP was released in 1970 to both North
America, and Japan.  It was then released throughout Europe on EMI in
June 1979.

><ESC>
>
 The <ESC> Again


-- 
I want a short-haired girl (who) sometimes wears it twice as long
                                               -- George Harrison
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 14:10:58 EDT
From: <BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject:    ringo tour video

Recently I had the pleasure of renting a video of Ringo and co's last tour.  I
really enjoyed it.  There was so much in the video that was not on the CD.  I w
onder why this was done.  There is a long jam in the middle which was cool and
Joe Walsh's Rocky Mountain Way was awesome.  I was impressed to see that Ringo
actually played drums for the whole show except for a few of the numbers he san
g.  I will honestly say it was more entertaining when Ringo was not dancing aro
und and singing.  His voice got kind of irritating.  Anyway I highly recommend
this video.  It sells for about $20 and I think is worth it.  Very interesting
to see.  So of the musicians act a bit silly but...


barry

p.s. can't wait to see Ringo this year with his new band.  I might even buy his
 new album(only b/c he has got some good producers on it.).
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: edc@dna.bchs.uh.edu
Subject: FAME School and the Beatles
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:20:51 GMT


One of Paul's current pet projects is turning his old school, the Liverpool
Institute into a "Fame" type school.  I was thinking about this, and realized
that even had such a school existed in Liverpool in the 1950's, it wouldn't
have helped the fledgling fabs.  Remember that the main thing about such
schools is that academics must be maintained to stay in.  Thus:

John Lennon:  Had a hard enough time in art college.  Additionally, John
              really didn't develop an interest in playing music
              until he was already in Quarry Bank.  Even if John had managed
              to get in, he never would've worked hard enough at the schoolwork
              to stay in. Plus, I really don't see Mimi letting John follow
              this "foolishness". 

Paul McCartney:  Perhaps he would've attended such a school.  With his early
              musical proclivities, and Jim Mac's relative leniency, a very
              definite possibility.

George Harrison:  Despite his early introduction to the guitar, and his 
              mother's enthusiastic support, I don't really see George's
              working class father approving.

Ringo Starr:  Didn't stay in school long enough (due to recurring childhood
              illnesses) to reach this point.

Any thoughts? Dissenting opinions?

<ESC>

--
ou est le soleil, dans la tete, Travaillez.
                                    -- Paul McCartney
From: dmaclaug@agsm.ucla.edu (saki)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Ringo tour dates
Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:59:35 PDT

In article <92097.141058BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu> BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu writes:
>can't wait to see Ringo this year with his new band.  I might even buy his
> new album(only b/c he has got some good producers on it.).

For those of you anxiously awaiting the new Starr tour, these are
the cities so far (dates where available), as reported in the NY Times:

Fort Lauderdale, FL June 2
St. Petersburg, FL June 3
Raleigh, NC June 5
Charlotte, NC June 6
Atlanta June 7
Cincinnati June 9
Cuyahoga Falls, OH June 10
Indianapolis June 12
Chicago June 13
Detroit June 15
Toronto June 16
Columbia, MD June 17
Milwaukee June 25
St. Louis June 26
Kansas City, MO June 28

Ringo will be touring Europe in July, and will return to the States for
some August dates, including Los Angeles, Dallas, Seattle, Salt Lake City,
San Francisco, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Pittsburg, Little Rock, Portland Oregon,
Denver, Nashville, and Birmingham Alabama.

Looks ambitious.
--
"I get something in me head, you know, and all the
walls of Rome couldn't stop me."
----------------------------------------------------
saki (dmaclaug@agsm.ucla.edu)
From: dmaclaug@agsm.ucla.edu (saki)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: "Twist and Shout": One take vs. two takes
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:34:04 GMT
Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management

In article <1992Apr12.094515.21747@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcodogno@isis.cs.du.edu (Maurizio  Codogno) writes:
>...These "musical" lies (I remember the one about one
>only take of _Twist and Shout!_ being performed, while actually there
>exist *two*) could be collected without any fear - i hope :-)

Off the top of my head, I can't recall how many sources claimed there
was only one take of "Twist and Shout", the Boys' superb cover of an
equally-superb Isley Brothers rendition, but at least two books---Neville
Stannard's "The Long and Winding Road" (1984) and Chris Salewicz'
biography of McCartney---may be responsible for this misapprehension;
they're both of the one-take persuasion.

George Martin's memoir "All You Need Is Ears" leaves the facts rather
fuzzy, due to imprecise wording. We'll forgive Martin for that; he
clearly focused on the more memorable circumstance of the first take:
"God alone knows what [John] did to his larynx each time he performed
it, because he made a sound rather like tearing flesh. That *had* to
be right on the first take, because I knew perfectly well that if we
had to do it a second time it would never be as good" ("All You Need Is
Ears", p. 131).

As Lewisohn later discovered, there was indeed a second take of this
song, the last done during a long, all-day session at EMI/Abbey Road.
According to studio documentation, it's a complete take but, said
Martin, "John's voice had gone" and the first take was chosen for
the Beatles' first album, "Please Please Me." Take Two of "Twist and
Shout" remains in the vaults.

Engineers present at the recording speak reverently of the effect
of watching Lennon scream out Take One of this immortal song. Cris
Neal, who was just sitting in, recalled Lennon "stripped to the waist
to do this most amazingly raucous vocal". A curious thing is memory!
No other spectators mention Lennon removing any of his garments, which
would have been peculiar indeed in light of a) Lennon's precarious state
of health during this session (a bad cold); b) the usually-businesslike
appearance of the Fabs (as captured on photographs) during representative
sessions in 1962-63; the wickedly-cold weather of Winter 1963 (one of the
worst seasons in memory) and lack of heat in the recording rooms. Maybe
John's singing was so intense that it altered reality. :-)

I don't think the one-take misapprehension qualifies as a "lie", per se,
but comes about through a subconscious wish to mythologize an admittedly
extraordinary performance. It remains so today. For me, it's the one
song in the Beatles' repertoire that leaves me feeling I've just "seen"
them in concert, for real! :-)
--
"Listen to this! I'm going to give it expression as well."
-------------------------------------------------------------
saki (dmaclaug@agsm.ucla.edu)
From: deryl@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: BeatleTrivia
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:04:36 +1200
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Apr8.190854.17463@ncsu.edu>, cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG) writes:
> 4000
> 
Just because there were 4000 rather small holes in Blackford Lancashire, which
he counted... does that necessarily imply that 4000 is the number required
to fill the Albert Hall?

Deep metaphysical question... :-)

Deryl

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From: nelson@palmerc@abulafia.b21.ingr.com (Nelson Jordan)
Subject: Re: Hey Jude, the album
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:53:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.180844.4670@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Brian.A.Gordon@dartmouth.edu (Brian A. Gordon) writes:
>I was curious as to the history of this album, which I believe is
>American-only?  It contains: 
>
>Can't Buy Me Love               Hey Jude
>I Should Have Known Better      Don't Let Me Down
>Paperback Writer                Old Brown Shoe
>Rain                            Ballad of John & Yoko
>Lady Madonna
>Revolution
>
>Was it released during the time the Beatles were still together?  I
>have a tendency to file it chronologically before Abbey Road, and I was
>wondering if anyone out there in r.m.b-land had any insights.

 "Hey Jude" was released in the U.S. in 2-70. "Abbey Road" was released in
10-69.

>
>Brian
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>paradox .sig file:  This is not a .sig file
>-------------------------------------------------------------
From: gaukur@rhi.hi.is (Kristjan Gaukur Kristjansson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: SHAVED FISH
Date: 11 Apr 92 11:07:59 GMT

In <7APR199220090947@vms2.iscs.nus.sg> fanyl@vms2.iscs.nus.sg (FAN YENG LOON) writes:

>-applecore-
>"I've got blisters on my fingers!" - Ringo
>fanyl@iscs.nus.sg | fanyl@nusdiscs.bitnet

I always thought that the blisters were John's... are they really Ringo's???

			Gaukur.
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