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From: rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop))
Subject: Re: 3.0 mail playing sound bug
Reply-To: rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 22:56:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.160540.3180@uni-paderborn.de> ogeisser@uni-paderborn.de  
(Oliver Geisser) writes:
>>
>>Hello
>>
>>Do you got 3.0 ?
>>
>>Try the following:
>>
>>- Start Mail.app
>>- Search for a letter with a sound file in it
>>  (the "Hi, I am Steve Jobs.."-letter is fine)
>>- double-click on the lips
>>- press the button that brings the graphics of the sound on the screen
>>- resize the panel - make it larger
>>
>>Do you see the confusion in the panel ? I do !
>>
>>That's all...
>>
>>   Olli
>>-- 
>>|  Oliver Geisser * Steindruefft 11 * W-4791 Altenbeken 3 * Germany  |
>>|      e-mail: ogeisser@uni-paderborn.de * Phone: 05255/7966         |
>>|     I prefer ASCII-Mail, but you can also send me NeXT-Mail        |

Ooooooohhh that's a bad one!!  Well, anyone who has used IB knows how to fix  
this glaring problem ;-)

Anyone built a SegHoarker for 3.0 ?
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From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch)
Subject: Re: Sounds played in Mail.app??
Organization: Demon Internet Services.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:00:44 GMT
Originator: paul@seer.demon.co.uk

In article <1992Oct1.194016.15344@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>  
robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Robert Delucca) writes:
> I can't seem to get a sound file to be played when Mail
> gets Mail. Just doesn't work. Mailcall was nice - 
> Has anyone got a sound to sound?? How??? 
> 
It just worked for me.  I used a sound in /NextLibrary/Sounds  
(Rooster.snd, which I put there), and have preferences set to Autolaunch  
mail and automatically check for new mail.

Paul
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From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: *obnoxious* & *virulent* TCSH BUG!
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 22:08:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.211709.23321@Princeton.EDU> ramirez.Princeton.EDU!penrose (Christopher Penrose) writes:
>
>I hate to sound like an obnoxious UNIX geek, but it seems that tcsh users
>are poseurs:

Well if you say things like this, I can see how people might think that.

>no one has noticed or fixed (to my limited knowledge) a really  
>obnoxious bug.  When using tcsh command-line editting with lines greater than
>the screen width, the cursor gets "lost" and edits are placed in strange places  
>on the line.  This gives me vertigo.  I am using the binary compiled on a NeXT.
>All our servers have succumbed to this brain-teasing binary too.  It is the  
>foul 6.02 binary that is lurking on the archives.

>Does anyone have any info regarding the maker of this evil binary?  Can I
>submit bug reports?  Or am I just experiencing localized reality failure?
>Should I just sit quietly and expect to be ignored?

Again, please be a little more understanding when reporting bugs.
Calling it "evil," "foul," "virulent," and "obnoxious" only get people
mad.  A simple "I seem to be having problems with command-line editing
on my NeXT running <os version>.  I'm running tcsh <version>, from the
binary I ftp'd from <host>" will do.  People will be much more
repsonsive to your problems.  I can see why you would be ignored.

I've never had this problem.  I've tried to duplicate your problem on a
NeXT running 2.0 and tcsh 6.00.  I run tcsh normally on Sun's, and have
been using 6.02 there and have never had a problem there, either.  I
suspect a terminal bug.  What terminal are you using?

(crossposting to comp.unix.shell instead of comp.sys.misc)

--Dave
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From: sanjay@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Sanjay B Shah)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: NeXT Games
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:59:07 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	Are there any 'quality' games that can be bought for the NeXT
(along the lines of a PC/MAC)?  I understand that the NeXT computer is
primarily used for 'high-level programming and development' and the like and
obviously would be bought for this reason.  Nevertheless, all serious
users like to use their computers for play once in a while (I assume).

	The probability that I may buy a PC/MAC/NeXT in the future
motivates me to ask this question.  However, I will (obviously) not
base my purchase of a NeXT (am inclined towards it) on the fact that
a strong games software base exists for it.  I simply would like to know
whether I will be able to do something else other than work on the NeXT.

	Thank you!

		Sanjay

	sanjay@andromeda.rutgers.edu
From: martin@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Daniel Martin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: 3.0 slower?
Keywords: nextstep,3.0
Date: 26 Sep 92 05:23:02 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

matt@zeb.ame.nd.edu (Matthew J. Grismer) writes:

>A couple of people have posted that 3.0 is slower than 2.1/2.0. Is this  
>everyone's experience that has received the upgrade? And slower in what  
>respect? Just the Workspace responds more slowly, or apps seem to run more  
>slowly? Anyone have any ideas why this would be the case, e.g. 3.0  
>requires a lot more RAM, there is a lot more disk swapping, or just  
>because a lot of new features have been added to the operating system?  
>Just curious.

>MJG
>NeXTmail preferred 

   I've just upgraded our cube (68040/40 Meg RAM/ND 20 Meg/400 Meg HD) 
from 2.1 to 3.0.  It was *Very* easy.

   To answer your question, it is much slower.  Many aspect of the
user interface are slower: scrolling of text, windows movement, many 
graphics operations (done with Create for example), etc. 

   I've worked with 3.0 for a week. I surprised myself a couple
of times swearing about the speed, or wondering about what was 
going on due to slow response.  I would rate the *perceived* 
performance degradation of the interface at about 20%. 
But it's still faster than Windows for PC. :-)

   On the other hand, the color environment provide by 3.0 is
the most professional looking, balanced and beautiful I ever
worked on.  I really think it is the best UI around, miles
in front of any offering.  It is awesome.  (i.e. I like it)

   Bottom line: it is time for new hardware.  For example:

	Display postscript accelerator 
	Multiple CPU board
	ND i860 usage (seem's to be sitting idle in our ND)

   A *bold* step to faster processor/architecture is needed.  
Since NeXT is positionning itself as a software company, 
just happening to make hardware, they should target high
performance processor.  I'd like to see NS running on a 
couple of R4000... 

   As a side note, I wonder if NS running on a 50MHz 486 will 
benefit of some speed improvement over the standard 33MHz 040?

   Bye, Daniel. 

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From: omv@athena.mit.edu (Daniel K Hartman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Mathematica and 3.0
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:36:09 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

>Mathematica doesn't hang - it still works from the menu, but it appears
>that only the front end is working.  Is this just some kind of
>Preferences or Path bug?  Clues would be appreciated since if Mathematica
>doesn't work then I can't stay with 3.0.
>

Ok, a similar think happened to me - I had backed up Mathematica onto other
media (as well as all my other programs) then did a build disk on my hard
drive.  After copying things back on, the above symptoms happened.  Solution:
do a custom-reinstall of mathematica, and it will copy the mathremote and
mathexe (I think these are the files) back into your path.  Regular install
wouldn't work, because it said mathematica was already there.

Anyways, I can't be more specific, since I don't have my NeXT in front of
me - hope this helps.

Dan Hartman
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From: jgrant@stealth.Doc.Provo.Novell.COM (James Grant)
Subject: Re: How's Framemaker 3.0 under NeXTstep 3.0?
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:54:02 GMT

In article <92Oct02.214120.29486@acs.ucalgary.ca> lazar@enel.ucalgary.ca  
(Michael Lazar) writes:
> In article <1992Oct2.161257.29008@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
mcarling@NetForce.com (M Carling) writes:
> >In article <1992Sep30.125802.5564@stc.nato.int> koelman@cuby.stc.nl  
(Ton  
> >Koelman) writes:
> >> 
> >> Subject line says it. Any problems?
> >
> >So long as you have an ample sufficiency of memory, Frame works as well  
as  
> >it does under 2.1.
> >
Some users running Frame under NS 3.0 are unable to access the site  
dictionary and other related files.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.software:1845 comp.sys.next.programmer:6354
From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer
Subject: Re:  distributed objects? (Plusses & minuses of NeXT's design)
Distribution: world
Date: 25 Sep 92 10:58:11 PST
Organization: Not an Organization

>In article <1992Sep24.013242.21299@news2.cis.umn.edu> burchard@horizon.math.utah.edu (Paul Burchard) writes:
>>In article <5123@rosie.NeXT.COM> sam_s@NeXT.com (Sam Streeper) writes:
>>...
>
>I think Distributed Objects is one of the greatest features of 3.0.  It opens
>..
>
>However, I feel that there is one glaring flaw in the design of 3.0 D.O.'s.
>The set of message parameter types supported is just not broad enough to make

    There is another glaring flaw and that is their handling of dead
    connections.  I have yet to be able to get reliable notification of a
    dead distributed object being accessed remotely.  Without this,
    distributed objects are useless!

    Yet another flaw is the totally non-intuitive methods relating to
    connecting to distributed objects -- it doesn't 'just work', it's a
    mess, and you have to be careful.

    Orginally I had planned to use DO's for IPC but until I figure out how
    to get reliable notification of death its unusable for that purpose.

					    -Matt

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From: zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna)
Subject: Re: Praise and gripes about 3.0
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:05:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.165220.25206@cube.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.151059.8225@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon  
>Fortuna) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep28.142202.28576@cube.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com  
>(Jim De Arras) writes:
>> >In article <5181@rosie.NeXT.COM> Brian_Pinkerton@next.com (Brian Pinkerton)  
>> >writes:
>> >> In article <1992Sep24.140404.22842@cube.handheld.com>  
>> >> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
>> >> > I was not able to attend the dev conf.  Does this mean we must have
>> >> > and believe 'inside' info, from one slide, over the public
>> >> > announcements?  Given that, how can we beleive anything NeXT says?
>> >> > It's all "marketing hype" in the end!
>> >> 
>> >> If I were you, I'd believe an engineer's inside info 10 times more often  
>> >> than I believed any marketing info.  This goes for any company, not just  
>> >> NeXT.  The nice thing about NeXT is that the marketing line is a lot  
>> >> closer to the truth than at other large computer companies.
>> >> 
>> >Well, thank you for admitting your marketing dept lies.
>> >standard practice does not forgive it.
>> 
>> Sorry to protest, but from the statement "...is a lot closer to the truth..."
>> you cannot conclude that the person is lying.	:)
>> 
>> 	-Z.
>
>Per my old-fashioned upbringing, in the (early) fifties, there is truth and  
>!truth.  !Truth == lie.  The statement "...is a lot closer to the truth..."  
>implies the position not the truth, and hence a lie.  I know that is out of  
>sync with the nineties, where truth is more a matter of perception than an  
>absolute, but I'm too old to change.
>
>Jim

Well, in your terminology "you are lying", because I am sure you are not too
old to change. :)
I wanted to point out, that the person *can be far from the truth* only because
he/she does not know the truth.
"lying" implies "cheating", isn't it (or I am *lying* now) ?

	-Z.
From: arzt@dccs.upenn.edu (Noam H. Arzt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: CUSTOMIZING NEWSGRAZER
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:51:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.215100.1387@athena.mit.edu> lones@lones.mit.edu (Lones  
Smith) writes:
> Hi,
>      This is very easy for anyone who has used NG for a while. 
> The subject may overstate the case.  But how do I get rid of (or at least
> hide) from the newgroup browser all the myriad of groups that I don't wish to  

If you have already unsubscribed from them, choose List View from the Group  
menu to only list the subscribed newsgroups. If you haven't unsubscribed from  
them, edit your.newsrc file first.
 
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From: pascal@nextasy.physics.mcmaster.ca (Pascal Gaudette)
Subject: Localization: HA! <warning: flame>
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:31:03 GMT


Sigh.

I'm sorry to say it, but I'm starting to be pretty disappointed 
by the localization, or rather the lack thereof, in 3.0.

In DL's inspector panel (target->inspector), they have had the
decency to put a "Language" inspector, which recognizes that
you might want to index stuff in other languages than your
main language. This is nice. *But*, it appears that you can't
use anything except english!! (ie the only language you are given
to choose from is english). "You can use *any* language you want, as
long as it's english." Just great.

The only things that seem to be localized in 3.0 are the
cosmetics. English online help only. English spell
checking only. English indexing only.  Isn't that what
localization is really all about? I mean, ultimately,
it's quite a bit more important to me to be able to
spell check my resume', than whether a button says
"Print" or "Imprimer".

Perhaps NeXT is hoping that some of these holes will be
filled by third party companies. But then NeXT shouldn't
try to pretend that it fully supports 7 different
languages with 3.0. I'll have to pay extra $$$ just to be
able to work in my own tongue. 

Localization: Yeah, right!

At least they're trying, I suppose. But I really had
hoped it would be much better than this.

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From: kurrer@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu (Christian Kurrer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Mathematica and 3.0
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:41:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvEH1I.JAq
Reply-To: kurrer@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <1992Sep28.212925.2855@athena.mit.edu> shanega@athena.mit.edu  
(Shane G. Artis) writes:
> Hi, can anyone confirm or deny a problem I'm having with Mathematica
> version 2.0.4.1 and NeXTSTEP 3.0?  I just upgraded my NeXTstation and
> Mathematica will execute as before until I attempt a calculation.
> When I type, for example, 2+2 and press Enter, Mathematica goes off
> and says it's calculating, but I hear no disk action as before when it
> started up the kernel, and the calculation never completes.
				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Mathematica doesn't hang - it still works from the menu, but it appears
> that only the front end is working.  Is this just some kind of
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Preferences or Path bug?  Clues would be appreciated since if  
Mathematica
> doesn't work then I can't stay with 3.0.
> 
> Shane
I had seen these kinds of problem many times when I changes/upgrades  
anything related to Mathematica. Mma does not complete the calculation,  
but doesn't give error messages either. If you run "math" in a terminal  
window, Mma is more frank about what it does not like, so I always test  
Mma first in a terminal window.

In this terminal window, it may cpomplain about Mma not being installed  
completely. When I called WRI, they adviced me to install it (2.0.4.5)  
again, possibly at some time when the network is less busy. 

When this is fixed, Mma-Frontend might still not work. then REMOVE the  
~/Library/Mathematica folder in your Home directory. This is where the Mma  
frontend stores all the customizations you did (Windowsize, remote  
kernels, ...), but these defaults may no longer be compatible with the new  
version of Mma or the new path where Mma is installed. Don't try to edit  
these defaults, just remove them. Next time you start up the frontend, the  
missing folder will be replaced by a functional default copy.

Christian Kurrer
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From: rmcghee@fnma.com(Rich McGhee)
Subject: ADB stuff for SoftPC
Reply-To: rmcghee@fnma.com
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:31:59 GMT

Well I installed the new SoftPC_ADB.pkg but no joy.  My keyboard still  
does not work.  Any ideas out there? 

--
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3900 Wisconsin Avenue, 4S-2H
Washington DC 20016
NeXTMail: rmcghee@fnma.COM
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: 2.1 writenow running under 3.0
Date: 27 Sep 1992 02:44:22 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu


>> Does the 2.1 version of WriteNow run under 3.0?

Works for me.  But ...

For some reason, scrolling text by grabbing the bar is much slower,
with the text getting visibly redrawn all the time.  I don't know if
the text was redrawn on 2.1, but faster, or if 2.1 had a different
(better?) strategy for hanging on to bitmaps.

Otherwise, WriteNow seems to work fine.  Can't say I've tried everything
though.

Mark Adler
madler@cco.caltech.edu
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From: zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna)
Subject: Re: Praise and gripes about 3.0
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:10:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.142202.28576@cube.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
>In article <5181@rosie.NeXT.COM> Brian_Pinkerton@next.com (Brian Pinkerton)  
>writes:
>> In article <1992Sep24.140404.22842@cube.handheld.com>  
>> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
>> > I was not able to attend the dev conf.  Does this mean we must have
>> > and believe 'inside' info, from one slide, over the public
>> > announcements?  Given that, how can we beleive anything NeXT says?
>> > It's all "marketing hype" in the end!
>> 
>> If I were you, I'd believe an engineer's inside info 10 times more often  
>> than I believed any marketing info.  This goes for any company, not just  
>> NeXT.  The nice thing about NeXT is that the marketing line is a lot  
>> closer to the truth than at other large computer companies.
>> 
>Well, thank you for admitting your marketing dept lies.
>standard practice does not forgive it.

Sorry to protest, but from the statement "...is a lot closer to the truth..."
you cannot conclude that the person is lying.	:)

	-Z.
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Subject: The Great NS3.0 Disk Eject Problem.
From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess)
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:15:49
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College
In-reply-to: brianc@dc_scom's message of Thu, 01 Oct 1992 19:44:11 GMTLines: 41

In article <1992Oct01.194411.16766@news.mentorg.com>
	brianc@pdx.mentorg.com (Brian Caslis) writes:
>I've just intalled NeXTSTEP 3.0 on a NeXTstation Color and have
>noticed two interesting things. After a while I started having the
>floppy disk eject problems that many are reporting. After some
>detective work it turned out that Stuart 2.4 was causing the problem,
>but only if I autolaunched it.

In article <1992Oct1.123914.19011@panther.mot.com>
	me@here (_please_ fix your reply address) writes:
>As previously mentioned,  Apps like AltDock, etc would cause the
>problem.  I stopped autolaunching AltDock and the proplem still
>persisted with floppies and optical.  After playing with autolaunchig
>selections, I found that Stuart causes the same problem, after it
>was removed from autolaunch everything is fine again.

The point of overlap between Stuart2.4 and Engage, AltDock, and
other programs that have caused this problem is that they request
file icons from the Workspace.  I have also heard on one of these
groups that this _is_ the problem (ie, any autolaunched program
requesting icons will cause the floppy eject problems).  So, perhaps
if you turn off Stuart's Shelf feature, it'll work (albeit not as
nicely).  Unfortunately, I cannot offhand think of something you
could do to Engage or any other program to fix this, as most of
those other programs _live_ to do the file icon thing ...

Has anyone heard anything regarding fixes from NeXT?  This is a
pretty major little bug, and could affect a _wide_ variety of
programs.  Well worth an NS3.0a :-).  On the other hand, anyone
know of anything a mere mortal like myself could do to cause my
programs not to invoke this behaviour?  Is the problem precisely
"autolaunched programs that request file icons", or is it "programs
that request file icons before XXXXXX occurs"?  If it's something
where I could wait until a certain point and _then_ request the
icons, I can make that modification ...

Thanks,
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