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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:05:25 CDT
From:         "William P. Oppel, Jr. (Billy)" <S70762OW@ETSUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Previews.... (finally)

    I would like to thank you all for being patient with me.  I have had
many problems come up recently, but they are coming around now.  So your
wait will end in about 15 minutes as the very late June edition of
Previews.... comes online.  Thank you for your patience.

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This is a project I am working on.  Each month, I will compile information
I receive on upcoming movies, release dates for movies and video, behind
the scenes action, who the film companies are screwing over,how are the
Salkinds doing on their most recent venture, and have they lost the entire
cast yet, who is working on what projects, and who is going to star in the
John Hughes present day version of Huckleberry Finn?

Many questions will be raised and answered.  We will track the stars and
alert you to the upcoming features as soon as they are announced:  i.e.,
"Who Killed Roger Rabbit".

None of this is a joke, or pulling anyone's leg.  All my information comes
from respectable sources and magazines.  So now what do you think?
                                 ---  Bill Oppel


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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:50:04 EDT
From:         Robert Kaplan <ST802174@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      a probably false rumor

I heard a film-related rumor a few months back, and, having been trying to get
at the heart of it for some time, suddenly realized that this is probably the
place to do it.  Any news of Bob Dylan appearing in a soon-to-be released film?
Has he been in anything recently in a cameo-type role (I ask this because I
have missed most of the latest releases)?  Are they remaking Streets of Fire,
perhaps?
-rkaplan
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:37:41 CDT
From:         C1PH000 <C1PH@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Question for all.

I have an open end question for all people in Cinema-l.It does not
however, refer to anything about movies.  The other day I was playing
around in MUSIC.  I typed the following command:

VIEW ALL.NEWSGROUPS

Approximately 2300 newsgroups popped up.  The problem is : How do I
access these file/lists ?  I contacted the System Admin. and he was
was as flumoxed as I.  The following is the form that it took.

alt.cult-movies 0010359 0003859 y

I would like to access these. I did try to us eview, but the the message
came back :  Load module not accessible.  Please, help if you can.
My address is C1PH@SDSUMUS.  Thanks.
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:14:37 EDT
From:         "W.A. (Bill) Yardy" <YARDY@ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA>
Subject:      Re: Multi-Spoiler

On Fri, 31 Jul 1992 11:07:36 -0500 MARCI HENDRIX said:
>The Wizard of Oz -- and I thought you were talking TV -- Dallas -- the
>year it was all a dream (which I predicted to everyone's unbelief).  Just
>so you know, those Dallas days of mine have long been over, except I did
>sit and waste 2 hours watching the final pathetic episode.
>
>Marci Hendrix

I had it figured as Bob Newhart ...

   ...Bill
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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:33:46 +0000
From:         the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: serious discussion of sin
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> 4 From:   the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>

Twern't nothin' mam.  (blush)

-scott

Steve, note the address ;)
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:15:36 EDT
From:         Gayle Gleason <ST402486@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Silent running

 I remember really liking this movie when it came out, but I was an
 impressionable kid at the time (was it really out 20 years ago?!)

 Don't forget Bruce Dern starred (Dad of Rambling Rose's Laura)

 What year was the story supposed to take place?  It's always interesting
 to compare a past movie maker's vision of the world in the future with
 the 'real' thing.


--Gayle Gleason
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:42:00 CDT
From:         Becky Albitz 5-5931 <CADALBTS@UIAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      cross-postings
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This is cross-posted on screen-l and cinema-l

As one who has encouraged those on cinema-l to sign up for screen-l,
I am not complaining.  But, it would be helpful if those messages
which are cross-posted on both lists (and film-l too) be marked as
such.  It would save me some time.  Thanks.

Becky Albitz
University of Iowa Libraries
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:28:00 PDT
From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: "Twenty-one" and breaking the fourth wall

John, how did you feel about the character directly addressing the camera
in Twenty-One?  Usually this is the kiss of death, as in the beneath abysmal
*Whore*.

Michael M

"And Mm."  *Finnegans Wake*, 115.
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:03:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Cuts on TNT

Peter Giordano asks about time compression on TNT (and other
stations):  the film is not simply speeded (sped??) up, since
that would make the characters move and speak unnaturally; rather,
individual frames are removed (by computer, not scissors) so that
the film takes less time to show and thus fits into the TV
slot (or, on TNT, so that there's more time for commercials).

Jim T.
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:50:00 EDT
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Vincent and Theo

>Jennifer, everyone knows about the earectomy, but questions proliferate
about why, why, why did he really do it?

The most mundane explanation I've heard about why why why
is that he had a painful inner ear infection that drove him nuts.

(probably the same guy who said El Greco had an astigmatism.)

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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:46:40 -0400
From:         Tanya Augsburg <ilay9228@EMORYU1.CC.EMORY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Previews....
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William,

	You got a winner on your hands!!!  I appreciate your courage and
all your efforts.  I look forward to future issues...
	Tanya in Atlanta
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:36:27 CST
From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.BITNET>
Subject:      Fisher, cultural illiteracy, stream-of consciousness

Oh no, not another one mentioning Faulkner & Joyce without the least
idea of what they write...  Who perpetuates this Cliff Notes ideas?


Mr. Fisher, your incapacity to deal with literature, indicated by
your offhand and cliche'-inaccurate allusion to Faulkner and Joyce,
demonstrates a cultural illiteracy that qualifies you for nothing
more serious in higher education than secretarial work.  Gads, you
must be one of those who snicker at literature as the incoherent
statement of ideas best expressed in the technical-writing style I
assume you strive for.

No real educator would take the snide, arrogant, tone you've adopted.
"We classroom-types" indeed.  And just whom do you suppose you're
addressing?  I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks I'll inherit
the students you've mis-educated (the ones you haven't completely turned
off of literacy and literary education) if they go on to grad school.
And my first task will be trying to resuscitate any appreciation they
used to have for literature in order to develop it further.


      Rick Francis

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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:16:00 EST
From:         SUPSFRAN@STETSON.BITNET
Subject: Re: Previews.... June 1992.

Bill,

Enjoyed the previews... Keep up the good work!


                        Stephanie
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:30:54 EDT
From:         Gayle Gleason <ST402486@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Casablanca (was HarrisonFord)

 I saw a preview for Casablanca last weekend and guess what...

         It's rated PG!!!!


 What makes it rated PG?  The violence?

--Gayle Gleason

 Oh, I was seeing The Waterdance.  I very good movie. Good character
 development.
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:05:27 MEZ
From:         Johannes Heyer <C0031018@DBSTU1.RZ.TU-BS.DE>
Subject:      FAQ/Re: Movie Databases
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              31 Jul 1992 09:44:37 CDT from <MICHELLE@ORTTA.UMN.EDU>

I think it's time to build up a FAQ file since there are so many questions
that show up again and again.

Johannes

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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:20:48 EDT
From:         "Orlanda Thompson --- Rm M1310 Bldg. 100 --- Ext. 3005"
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Subject: re: Addressing the camera
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How can anyone forget Matthew Broderick in "Ferris Bullers' Day Off"?

Orlanda
P.S.  Did anyone here about a sequel?
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:05:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      re: "Twenty-one" and breaking the fourth wall

>From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>

>John, how did you feel about the character directly addressing the camera
>in Twenty-One?  Usually this is the kiss of death, as in the beneath abysmal
>*Whore*.

I haven't seen "Whore" yet, so I can't compare the two, but the direct
addressing of the camera did not bother me in "Twenty-one".  I've seen
enough movies that I can just accept it as a convention.  The best use
of directly addressing the camera that I have seen was "I've Heard The
Mermaids Singing" in which the character was videotaping her confession
so that inside the movie she was addressing a camera, therefore it was
very natural for her to be addressing the movie camera.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
From: rwittick@ibm.cl.msu.edu (Bob Wittick)
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Subject: Re: Film beef on CBS News (SPOILER about _Fatal Attraction_)
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:29:36 GMT
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In article <CINEMA-L%92072318341498@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>, YEE@DICKINSN.BITNET
(Michelle Pfeiffer's Purrvert (Yee, wrote:
> 
> Did anyone see the CBS Evening News with Dan Rather last night?  There was a
> segment on restoring previously-cutted scenes into a movie.  _Fatal Attraction_
> is now released with both the ending audiences saw (Glenn Close, thought
> drowned, jumps up in the tub) and the original ending Adrian Lyne had intended
> (Glenn Close graphically slitting her neck with knife).  Director James
> Cameron and Peter Bogdanovich were also interviewed, because they restored and
> expanded some scenes, respectively, in _Aliens_ and _The Last Picture Show_.
> 
> It's said that consumers can now program their laserdisc players with any
> scenes or ending they wish to play.
> 

In theory this is true, but in the case of Fatal Attraction, the disc is
not chapter encoded, so programming would be difficult, if not impossible.
The Criterion CAV discs of Close Encounters of the Third Kind does
allow this, however.  In fact, they even include instructions on how
to do it.
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:08:00 EDT
From:         "Mike.Simmons" <20676MES@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      a probably false rumor

Steve....

Jackhammer...?

I stand corrected.
Thanks.
Mike
MSU.
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:37:00 EST
From:         CLERC@GENESEO.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Labels and censorship

Steve:

        Your reply included this paragraph and a copy of my post...

>And yes, food can be art and art can be consumable.  but YOUR point was about
>cigarrette warnings, which I do not count as art. There is no artistic
>expression there. And if you're going to judge artists because of their
>hair ("hairy louts with guitars..") well....

        I believe you have me confused with someone else; food, cigarettes
and hirsute musicians weren't part of my post.


                                                        Sue
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:58:00 EST
From:         ASTMSIRI@STETSON.BITNET
Subject: Re: Previews.... June 1992.

bill,
        never mind that last message. i just got the Previews - sorry -
i guess my mailer is just slower. :)
                                                monica
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:46:00 -0700
From:         PORTIGAL_STEVE@TANDEM.COM
Subject:      Sturgeon
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If provacative in this context translates as "Oh Christ, not this again"
then yep, for the first time I agree with you.

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>Of course, Sturgeon's Rule does apply across the board.
>Therefore, 98% of kjf's posts are crap.

But very provocative crap.

>I assume this statement will be quickly dismissed, being 98% crap.

Nope. I'm told I misremembered the Law -- Sturgeon apparently
said *90%* of everything is crap. So you get an 8% rebate.

kjf-
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:22:38 CST
From:         Rick Francis <C47805NF@WUVMD.BITNET>
Subject:      Blockbuster & edited versions

Simply from having heard it so many times, I was convinced that the
chain Blockbuster routinely edits the movies with any chance of offending
the religious folks.  That would mean, I suppose, that chainsawing
scantily-clad females is okay; unneurotic love scenes of same-sexers
get chopped.   n

Does anyone have examples of Blockbuster cuts?  And are these marked as
such?

Assumptorily,

Rick Francis
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:03:00 -0700
From:         PORTIGAL_STEVE@TANDEM.COM
Subject:      hand that rocks da cradle
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Well, being partly at fault for the annoying (at least to me) lack of
filmic content in the last little bit, let me mention The Hand that Rocks
the Cradle.

I paid a dollar to see it, so it was well worth the money...the story is
incredibly predictable once you have heard the basic plot from someone else.
It's very much like Pacific Heights, the indidious invader in the happy,
typical home. It is so cliche ridden that you wonder if it was deliberate
(the husband hears a noise, he goes downstairs with a baseball bat! or
one cop to another "Hey Al, come over here, I think you better have a look
at this...", the cute kid, the innocent but noble retarded man, the tough-
talking female friend with the cigarette dangling from her lips...)

Anyway, Rebecca de Mornay as the nanny is quite amazingly EVIL here.
When her obvious persona slips and the real evil character shows through,
it's almost like they've used special effects to make her seem horrible and
frightening,  but it's merely her acting.  She is incredibly rage-filled in
this movie, but at times is sooooo cool. I really ended up gunning for her
because the rest of the characters are so trite and stupid, that I wanted them
to suffer for being so wimpy.

Anyway, the film is kind of crap, but it's so consistent that it can be
enjoyable.  I'd like to hear comments but not putdowns from anyone else
that had feelings about the film.     Steve
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From: lishka@dxcern.cern.ch (Christopher Lishka)
Subject: Until the End of the World (was Re: serious discussion of sin)
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:57:44 GMT

In <01GMUGWWBDEO8WW0T3@WILLIAMS> Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU writes:

	>Maybe kjf & Co. could be convinced to send their jokes
	>directly to each other rather than to the list

Agreed.  The signal-to-noise ratio in this group isn't very good at
the moment.  Anyone want to discuss films?


	>So has anybody seen UNTIL THE END OF THE WORLD yet?

Yeah, I caught it at the Geneva Film Festival last Fall.  What a
disappointment!  It seemed like three completely separate films that
had been glued together.  A rather obvious allusion to this is that
the soundtrack changed styles at one of the glue joints, from
contemporary rock to a more classical bent.  Although I normally enjoy
rather long films, this one simply went on forever.  My feeling is
that Wim Wenders didn't focus enough on one thread, but rather tried
to throw in everything including the kitchen sink.  I also found
little to like about the main characters (unlike _Paris, Texas_ and
_Wings of Desire), and by the end didn't care *what* happened to them.

The movie does have some good points.  The cinematography is
wonderful, and some of the scenery is stunning.  There are some very
humorous moments, especially involving the computer graphics and jibes
at intelligent computer agents.  The rock soundtrack is also excellent
and features a lot of great rock artists.

My final impression is that Wim Wenders had a lot of money and talent
at his disposal for this film.  While some elements were very good, I
found the film as a whole to be wasted on a rather poor story that
tried to do far too many things.  I have heard that Wim Wenders
originally intended the film to be much longer than the 3.5 hour
version I saw ... maybe the extended version is much better.

							.oO Chris Oo.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:39:00 PDT
From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Vincent and Theo

Jennifer, anyone who doesn't know by now that Vincent "descended into
madness" deserves any spoiler you care to provide.

Like a black crow in a field of yellow corn,
MM

"And Mm."  *Finnegans Wake*, 115.
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:39:00 EST
From:         "Like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again!" <ACCDAK@HOFSTRA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: bickering

I remember Sean O'Casey calming a young writer who was terrified of meeting
him that, he, O'Casey, "was only ven'mous with a pen in me hand".  I suspect
electronic distance emboldens us as we can't see the glare in each other's
eyes (or the blunt objects in their hands).

For those who want it really simple, we'd be kinder and gentler in person.

David   accdak@vaxc.hofstra  //  accdak@hofstra
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:45:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: A couple of things
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I have to applaud Mike (MSU) for suggesting that he will go back and re-
read the press on Tipper Gore and "censorship" - It would be easy for
all those concerned about Tipper to just go to their local library and
find out what happened - The hearings mentioned by Mike are all available
at your nearest government depository (closer than you think - there is at
least one in every congressional district) - Censorship in movies? - I think
that it already has been mentioned that the biggest censor in the movie
industry is the appeal to the dollar
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:53:00 EDT
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Reel Conversations

Laura remarks:

>Pfui.

Brava, Laura. You've captured the essence of the last week of CINEMA-L.

And you managed it with a clarity, economy, and grace
worthy of...dare I say Faulkner or Joyce?

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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:33:00 EDT
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      The Good, The Bad, and The Pompous

>Well, if pomposity and a good online thesaurus make you right,
>then Professor, you are very right.


More the one than the other, I'd say (I don't use a thesaurus).

>I'm not interested in a discussion that devolves
>(hey I didn't look that one up!) into character assasination.


...And I'm happy to hear *you* don't use one either. Damned
useless things.

Now, as for character assassination -- help me understand this:

     1) You misquote me, then read me the riot act
        for using a word (hairy) which I did not use,

     2) I complain bitterly about the unfairness of it all,

     3) therefore, *I* am a character assassin.

Welcome to Wonderland! We should charge admission.

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