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From: dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Perry G Ramsey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Hitting straight
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:33:11 GMT
Organization: Purdue University, Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences

In article <Brq8vJ.G6u@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> mkohlhaa@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mike) writes:
>I've been playing golf for about 5 years now, but only recently have I started
>taking it very seriously.  I'm decent with club distance, chipping, putting,
>etc, but my BIG problem is hitting the ball without slice, especially off
>the tee.

I think I've killed  my slice for now.  What I needed to do:

1) Make sure the clubhead is level at address.  
Mine driver was too short, so when I put the head on the ground, it 
was tipped so the toe was below
the heel.  Thus , the loft of the club was lifting the ball in the slice
direction.  I lengthened the shaft.  Probably not a problem if you're of
relatively normal proportions.

2)  Keep your back elbow close to your body.  I was letting mine get away
so that the club was moving outside the line, then coming back across,
putting slice spin on the ball.
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From: maceache@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Tim Maceachern)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: YAGR (ball in tree)
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:48:05 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada

By the way, did Faldo declare his ball unplayable before climbing the tree
and did he take a penalty stroke then drop?

Tim MacEachern
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From: u4944@cray.com (Charles Hubbert)
Subject: Practice methods
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:09:21 CDT

After my first (group of three) lesson last evening the question came up
about practice.  Obviously, the range encouraged us to do as much range
time as possible, and I agree with that.  I asked the pro about whiffle
balls and he doesn't like them because they don't give true flight 
indications.  In fact, he thinks that they fly better if hit off the toe of 
the club.  So now I am wondering what sort of practice methods people use
when they can't/don't go to the range?  

Thanks,
Chuck  
-- 
Chuck Hubbert	u4944@cray.com    tel# 313/574-8159
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From: cpeterse@cs.ulowell.edu (chrispy)
Subject: distances
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 19:40:00 GMT


Here are my distances:

sw:	Dont have one
pw:	Dont have one
9:	1ft(when-in-the-sand) - 110
8:	50-120	           (i get under it a lot)
7:	60-130
6:	20-140             (this is where i start to skull it)
5:	20-150
4:	20-160
3:	Dont have one
2:	Dont have one

1w:	50(worm-burner) - forest(40 yds lateral)
3w:	100(high tee) - 200(deep ruff right, when aiming far left)


putter:		3-putts-per-green
handicap:	off-the-scale
balls/round:	4
cases of poison
ivy per season: 2

years playing:	more than i'm willing to admit

why i continue to play:		only god knows.



chris.
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From: brash@reg.triumf.ca (BRASH, ED)
Subject: Re: Donna Andrews penalty (Was Re: How to pull out the flagstick....)
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:06:00 GMT

>sheldon@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Roger Sheldon - AISS) writes:

>Gee, just think, if you could move you ball, take a penalty and not have to
>replace it how easy it would be get out of a bunker, or from up against a
>tree, I could even pick up my ball and roll it into the hole instead of
>putting it.

It is my understanding that the unplayable lie rule works exactly this way,
since it is the golfer's decision as to whether the lie is unplayable.  That
is, one can take a drop within a certain number of club lengths (I think its
one) no nearer the hole with a ONE STROKE penalty.  You could, in principle,
do this in the middle of the fairway if you choose to.  So, you can
move it away from a tree and take just one stroke.  I am not sure
about bunkers.  I seem to remember about not being able to take a drop
out of a hazard.

Perhaps someone with a better knowledge of things could comment on this.

Later,
Ed.


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From: ilh@lcs.mit.edu (Lee Hetherington)
Subject: Re: YAGR (yet another golf ruling)
Reply-To: ilh@lcs.mit.edu
Organization: MIT/LCS Spoken Language Systems
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:55:05 GMT

In article <n-nmxj.mzimmers@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
   His tee shot was far and away the best of the day -- an easy 200 yards
   of carry right down the pipe.  As this magnificent shot was coming to
   a stop (but *before* it stopped), a local gull swooped down upon it,
   snatched it up, and deposited it into a nearby lake.  Painful as it
   was, he asked for, and abided by, the appropriate rule (19-1), and took
   the penalty without further ado.

...I don't think so...Rule 19-1 does not impose a penalty:

Rule 19-1. By Outside Agency
  If a ball in motion is accidentally deflected or stopped by any
`outside agency', it is a `rub of the green', no penalty is incurred
and the ball shall be played as it lies except:
    a. If a ball in motion after a `stroke' other than on the `putting
  green' comes to rest in or on any moving or animate outside agency,
  the player shall, `through the green' or in a `hazard', drop the
  ball, or on the putting green place the ball, as near as possible to
  the spot where the outside agency was when the ball came to rest in
  or on it, and
    b. If a ball in motion after a stroke on the putting green is
  deflected or stopped by, or comes to rest in or on, any moving or
  animate outside agency except a worm or an insect, the stroke shall
  be cancelled, the ball replaced and the stroke replayed.
    If the ball is not immediately recoverable, another ball may be
substituted.
  (Player's ball deflected or stopped by another ball -- see Rule
19-5.)
  Note: If the referee or the Committee determines that a player's
ball has been purposely deflected or stopped by an `outside agency',
Rule 1-4 applies to the player.  If the outside agency is a
fellow-competitor or his caddie, Rule 1-2 applies to the
fellow-competitor.

...

There's no penalty for an `outside agency' (the gull) picking up your
ball.  It doesn't matter where the ball is taken.  You replace your
ball (or a replacement if necessary) as close to the spot where the
`outside agency' picked up your ball.  You have to replace even if the
`outside agency' moved your ball favorably.  There is no penalty for
replacing your ball in this situation.

Rule 18-1 similarly covers the situation when your ball is at rest and
then moved by an outside agency.
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--Lee Hetherington
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From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: What's a flyer lie?
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:27:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.173924.15140@infonode.ingr.com> jim@dap.b29.ingr.com (Jim Weeks) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.152210.25522@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov>, sheldon@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Roger Sheldon - AISS) writes:
>|> On TV, they're always talking about how a ball will fly out of the rough.
>|> Anyone know the reason?  It seams that rough should always decrease the
>|> flight of the ball.
>|> 
>|> Roger
>   Good question.... what happens in the rough depends on the lie in the rough
>    if there is a little bit of grass behind the ball three things happen .. 1st
>    because of the grass being in front of the club head the ball actually is 
>    moving forward before the clubhead reaches it..kind of a running start..
>    2nd. at the moment of impact the water retained inside the grass is compressed
>    between the club and the ball and it explodes adding to the extra velocity of
>    the ball ..and finally... because of the grass and the water the grooves on
>     the club face do not get a firm grip on the ball thus reducing its backspin
>     resulting in something like a knuckleball ... all of this results is one
>     thing.. a really hot shot that has no predictable direction .. I caught one
>      this past weekend in a tourney ...had 145 to the pin and hit a 9 iron 
>      about 15 yards past the green.
>-- 
>Jim Weeks                            
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The running start stuff. Hmmm, wouldn't the club head speed slow
down due to the resistance of the grass resulting in a net gain
of zero from the moving grass?

The expoding grass concept. Same argument. The energy comes from
the club head. Besides, exploding grass .... come on, quick
pulling my leg.

Mike N.
From: neal@atmos.washington.edu (Neal Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Driving distances
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:44:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dept. of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Washington


I think driving distance is measured one or two holes per tournament.

I don't think it has to be in the fairway to count.

I think the hole(s) is/are picked to fairly represent a drive and
would not be "lay up" holes.

I'd bet somebody on this net can turn my "thinks" into his/her "knows"
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From: sercely@convex.com (Ron Sercely)
Subject: Re: one more rules question
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:57:18 GMT
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I decided to not include the article because of the length.
This is regards to the wind blowing a ball that was at rest.

John Meredith is correct in that, if the ball marker was still on the green and
the wind blew the ball, simply replace the ball.  I guess I assumed that
because the player was described as "ready to putt", he had already lifted his
mark. 

For those of you saying, fine, I'll just always leave the marker on the green,
I don't know.  It seems like when you replace the ball you have to lift your
mark but I can't find anything along these lines.  Anyone else?

Ron Sercely
From: sheldon@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Roger Sheldon - AISS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: TV coverage (Was: Cook blows British Open)
Date: 25 Jul 92 15:06:09 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

In article <1992Jul24.131017.19316@rosevax.rosemount.com> billodo@cyclone (Bill O'Donnell) writes:
>: > networks should take polls on what announcers people like.  I personally
>: > thought Jim McKay's comments were pathetic -- he obviously doesn't know
>: > much about the game.  
>I couldn't agree more.  McKay was particularly sickening at the beginning of
>Sunday's coverage of the U.S. Open at Pebble beach.  He was walking around the
>course with some little kid, expounding about this and that.  Overdramatized
>drivel.
>: 	My vote is for Gary McCord, I really enjoyed his commentary at the  
>: Masters.
>I could't disagree more.  McCord is a loose cannon.  His cutesy terminology
>is annoying at best.  They should fire him, that way he can go back to missing
>cuts.

Yeah!  I also get annoyed by McCord's endless stupid jokes.  But
at least he knows the game.  He would be good if he'd stop
the corny jokes, and his bragging about being a great putter.

I often just turn the sound off when watching golf on TV.
I also prefer to tape it on my VCR so I can fast-forward
over the amazing amount of commercials.

Roger
From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Grip Removal Idea
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:57:57 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

In <711770845.F00001@tdkt.kksys.com> David.Moore@tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore) writes:

>Well,  I  tried  your  method  on  an old clunker club and grip.  No
>success.  I could get the grip to pull back from the tape inside  on
>only  half the grip.  The grip would bulge out quite a bit from this
>one half.  I tried to let the solvent "work in".  Never  got  it  to
>blow out the other end though.  I was using the "carbo- chlor"
>solvent which is the non-flammable stuff for applying  grips.   What
>solvent did you use?

I think Carbo-Chlor is good for installing grips but not removing them. I have
tried Varsol, Mineral spirits, contact cememt solvent and paint thinner. The
for removing grips was paint thinner. In one instance, I shot a load of 
mineral spirits inside the grip with a syringe. I could only pull it out
halfway. I shot another load and still the same. When I used paint thinner
to continue the job, it came off quite quickly. You'll notice that paint
thinner has a greasy/oily texture to it. Perhaps this helps in grip removal.


>I see in the Golfworks catalog, they  recommend  naptha  or  mineral
>spirits  for grip removal solvent.  (Wouldn't these make the grips a
>bit smelly?).

See above about mineral spirits. Haven't tried naptha.

>Any help appreciated. I would much prefer to use this method
>vs. syringes!

YEah, the syringe is quite jerky unless you have the proper syringe as in the
golf work catalog.

GV
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From: ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu (Ethan Alpert)
Subject: Computing net-score from handicap
Followup-To: rec.sport.golf
Summary: Question: How do you calculate net score
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:28:40 GMT


Hello,

	I pulled in the k-shell script for calculating handicap. I'm sorry but
I chopped of the header and now don't know who actually posted it, so I'm
posting this question. 

	How is the net score determined once you've computed your handicap?
The shell script in question writes a differential at the end of each line in
the scores file, each line is a round of golf. Is this differential used to 
compute the net score? If it is how come when I subtract it from my score the 
net is always the same?

	BTW, I will be purchasing the rules of golf after work but I don't 
think I can wait that long to find out the answer to this.

	Thanks in advance,

		ethan alpert

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From: dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King)
Subject: Rules, Rules and more Rules
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 02:09:28 GMT
Reply-To: dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King)

I was out playing a casual round of golf with a buddy.  No big deal
match just a couple dollar nassau.  I was preparing to putt and I
accidentally got to close to the ball during my practice swing routine.
I just clipped the ball with my putter and it moved a few feet.  I
picked up the ball and replaced it.  I then made the putt.  We got to
discussing this once the hole was done.  I was under the impression
that there was no penalty for this because of the definition of a
stroke, there must be intent to move the ball.  My buddie thought it
might be a penalty.  I got out my trusty USGA Rules of Golf book.
I first looked up Rule 14 regarding striking the ball.  No problem
there.  I had no intention of fairly striking the ball and moving it
forward.  This is why my situation was different than Donna Andrews.
So now it was off to rule 18-2.

Rule 18 is Ball Moved, deflected or stopped.

18-2.  By Player, Partner, Caddie or Equipment.

a. GENERAL
When a player's ball is in play, if:
 (i) the player, his partner, or either of their caddies lifts or
 moved it, touches it purposely (except with a club in the act of
 addressing it) or causes it to move except as permitted by a Rule, or
 (ii) equipment of the player or his partner causes the ball to move,
the player shall incur a penalty stroke.  The ball shall be replaced
unless the movement of the ball occurs after the player has begun his
swing and he does not discontinue his swing.
Under the Rules no penalty is incurred if a player accidentally causes
his ball to move in the following circumstances:
(8 special cases none applying to my situation)

So the question is, was I mistaken that if you hit the ball during a
practice swing there is no penalty?  Sometimes you hear these sort of
things from someone and end up accepting them as fact when they are
not.  Am I missing something?

I took the penalty stroke under rule 18-2, but was glad to see I was
correct in replacing the ball.

Dan King

Where do you get the USGA decisions of Golf Book?

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From: martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera)
Subject: Re: How to pull out the flagstick....
Organization: UCSD - Scripps Inst. of Oceanogr. - MPL
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:26:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.145924.2831@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov> sheldon@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Roger Sheldon - AISS) writes:
>
>And how about this girl in the US Women's Open who got cheated
>out of a stroke by a stupid, unfair rule.  I don't know her
>name, but she mistakenly tapped the ball while setting up
>her putt -- she, of course, took the one stroke penalty.
>But after finishing the round, the officials slapped her
>with a second penalty stroke for not replacing the ball
>to where it was before she accidentally hit it.
>
Oh well, the rules (and golf) were never meant to be fair. (Otherwise how
do you explain a bad lie on a fairway?). Sometime ago she wouldn't have had
to replace the ball. The replacement part of the rule is fairly recent (couple
of years or so?).

>That's totally unfair.  What possible advantage could there
>be to leaving the ball where she accidentally hit it?  She
>already got penalized one stroke.

Actually in her case (Donna Andrews? 18th hole, first round 1992 US Open)
there WAS an advantage, since that accidental tap moved the ball from an
awkward lie (resting against the edge of the rough/fringe) into the green.
So instead of having to intentionally hit the putt "thin" to roll the ball,
she ended up with a perfect lie inside the green (could also mark and clean the
ball, which she couldn't have done originally). I think the replacement part of
the rule was meant to re-create the original shot as much as physically possible

Martin
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From: bobd@zaphod.UUCP (Bob Dalgleish)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Survey of Good Golf Instruction Books
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:06:22 GMT
Organization: Develcon Electronics Ltd., Saskatoon, SK, Canada

In article <1516@idacrd.UUCP> n4hy@idacrd.UUCP (Bob McGwier) writes:
>From article <1992Jul24.191612.23406@cs.brown.edu>, by kmc@cs.brown.edu (Ken Curewitz):

>> What are your opinions on good books on golf?

>I am a real fan of Leadbetter's The Golf Swing.  I have saved more strokes
>however by looking, listening to, and following the advice in his short
>game video.  I started playing golf when I was 36 and in two years have
>gotten down to 12 handicap on my course (71.2/123) and the club champion
>regularly asks me for sand instruction.  The only reason I am not lower is
>I cannot read greens.  I regularly putt, pitch, or chip to six feet and
>miss. It is pretty disgusting to watch a nearly perfect game from tee to
>green fouled up with the flat blade.  Leadbetter has the book and two video
>tapes.  They are all worth having.

The most comprehensive work on putting is David Pelz's "Putt Like the
Pros".  Pelz is a research scientist, formerly with NASA.  He developed
a number of experimental models for the putting stroke and worked with a
number of pros to develop the experiments and to help the pros.

Item 1: Adjust the weight of your swing so that the ball will roll 17"
past the cup if you miss.  This is sufficient weight to smooth out most
breaks, and to ignore the lumps and bumps that invariably surround the
hole because of traffic.

Item 2: Hold your hands directly below your shoulders in order to get a
straight through swing, rather than in-in, or out-out.

Item 3: Most golf balls are built imperfectly, with sufficient
eccentricity to cause a couple of inch deviation after a couple of yards
of roll.  He describes how to identify eccentric balls.

I cannot do the book justice, and the above summary is well backed up by
the experiments and models he describes.
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From: mkellner@Apple.COM (Michael Kellner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf,misc.wanted,ca.wanted,misc.forsale.wanted
Subject: WANTED: PING golf clubs
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:05:35 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

I'm looking for a "Ping" putter. It is a gift for my beloved mother who is
an avid golf fan. She says that this putter is made in Scottsdale and that
it goes "ping" (I guess when you hit the ball).

She'd also like a set of clubs made in Scottsdale.

If you've got any leads, please let me know.


Thanks,

Mike Kellner
mkellner@apple.com
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From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: Favorite shots to WATCH?
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 19:47:04 GMT

<RPT378@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

>In reading the give-and-take about TV coverage of the British Open, I seem to
>get the impression that most of us would rather watch drives, approach, and
>perhaps trouble shots by anyone on the course than just watch the leaders putt,
>putt, putt.  I think I would rather see those beginning shots than endless putt
>ing.  What do you think?  Is disinterest widespread amongst us duffers?  Larry

I don't mind seeing the longer putts.  I just don't want to see them
spending 30 seconds watching the player line up the putt.  Can't they just
cut to it as they move over the ball?

john

>:)
-- 
"Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty!"
John Vander Borght
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From: stephen@cs.utexas.edu (Stephen Craig Mautner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Golf Shafts
Date: 31 Jul 1992 10:27:25 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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Keywords: golf, shaft


     Could one of the golf guru's out there please explain to me what the 
shaft Flex Point is.  I have been looking at the True Temper shafts in the 
Golfsmith catalog, and I have noticed that the regular dynamic shafts 
have a mid flex point, while the dynamic lites are listed as a high
flex point.( I am doing this from memory but I think this is correct)
I was not sure what type of player the different flex points were designed
for, and what might be correct for me.  (FYI, I am 6' tall I shoot in 
the 90's and hit a 5 iron about 160 yards)
     The reason for this is that currently, I am looking into getting
a new set of irons (3-9, pw)  with the Texas Classic heads from GolfSmith
but I was not sure what shafts I should use.  I would also be interested
in hearing people's opinions of the Texas Classic heads.  I live about 
2 miles from Golfsmith's Headquarters here in austin, so I had a chance
to swing them around and I thought they felt pretty good.  I have found
a place here in town which will build them for me for ~ $200 (which was
$100 less than Golfsmith was selling their pre-made set for).

All advice in these matters is appreciated. 
Thanks.

stephen



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