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Can anyone tell me about the macro abilities of the Nikkor 180mm f2.8
EDIF AF lens? How close can it focus and what is the maximum macro
magnification?

I ask the question because I am (still) considering upgrading my 35mm
system to Nikon and would have to buy a whole new set of lenses. I
currently have a 75-200 f3.8 zoom with 1:4.5 macro feature at 200mm
which I consider to be extremely useful. If I go Nikon, I'll want to
have a 180 or 200mm macro lens for mushrooms and flowers. I'd much
prefer to get the 180 f2.8 AF than the 200mm f4 MF because I would be
able to use it for cyclocross too.

Would it be practical to use extension tubes with the 180 lens? Do they
have to couple meter functions? I'd be willing to give up AF when using
tubes. Who makes such tubes? I'd like to get magnifications to at least
1:4, preferably 1:3 or 1:2.

I would use this lens not only for mushrooms, but possibly also for
insects. Last summer I happened upon a drying up swamp with a red
dragonfly that sat on a perch at the edge of the swamp. With about 2
hours of patience and the 200 mm 1:4 macro lens and a doubler, I got a
number of satisfying exposures of the dragonfly. With a 105 macro lens,
I simply wouldn't have been able to get close enough.

Allan
From: kjm@ubbpc.tredydev.Unisys.COM (Ken J. McFadden)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: 105mm f/2.8 AF Micro Nikkor lens & F3HP
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:55:51 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Unisys UNIX Portation Center, Blue Bell, PA

In article <1992Dec21.001407.2320@cello.hpl.hp.com> jacobson@cello.hpl.hp.com (David Jacobson) writes:
>In article <lakhindr.724711956@bowmore.NSD.3Com.COM> lakhindr@ESD.3Com.COM (Lakhinder Walia) writes:
>>This lens has large movements. And that changes the effective F stop
>>value as you go from Infinity to very close-distance.
>>This change shows up in 8008s' window.

>>I was wondering how does it show up in F3, if this lens is connected to it.
>>I dont think F3 "talks" to its lens like 8008s ...! I dont know of any
>>other way of finding about the effective value of F stop except asking the
>>lens itself.. 

>Well, I don't have the 105, but I do have the 60mm MicroNikkor.  The
>instruction sheet comes with a table of corrections factors for
>various magnifications.

[stuff deleted]

>>My question is : is F3HP fully compatible with this lens..? 
>
>Sure, but just not at as high a level of automation as you have come
>to expect :-).

If you use your camera's built in meter (doesn't matter whether it's
an F3 or not) the camera will make the appropriate exposure.  If this were
not the case then the majority of zoom lenses (non-constant apeture ones)
would not work properly with pre-Nx00x series bodies.

The only reason to use the "table of correction factors" is if you use
a handheld meter and shoot in manual exposure mode.  The N8008 makes things
easier here because the effective apeture display is the same information
that you would get from the table.

---
Ken McFadden                     tredysvr!ubbpc!kjm@gvls1.vfl.paramax.com
Unisys Corporation               burdvax!ubbpc!kjm
Open Systems Marketing Services  (215) 986-3326
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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: ben_wen@athena.mit.edu (Benson Wen)
Subject: The "perfect" automated 35mm camera? (was: Re: Canon 10s Vs Nikon N90, Which one?)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1992Dec22.151322.21013@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
	<1992Dec23.083347.18560@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>
	<1992Dec23.151933.17024@philabs.philips.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:01:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.151933.17024@philabs.philips.com> txh@philabs.philips.com (Teun Hendriks) writes:

   I must say, I'm really impressed by the flash system of the combo
   N90-SB25. 5 segment flash meter, pre-flash exposure metering, while the
   mirror just has moved up, and incorporation in of distance info to
   arrive at an optimum exposure.

   If only there was a camera with the N90-SB25 flash system and the EOS-A2E
   autofocus system....

Now, as long as we're dreaming here, how about...

*** N90-SB25 automated flash (without the pathetic bounce card, thank you!
Let's hear it for LumiQuest!)
*** Full field AF with the A2E selection mechanism, in either portrait
or landscape orientation.
*** Focus point biased meter. (flash and ambient)
*** Off camera cordless flash control, a la 7xi/9xi.
*** Quiet operation...A2(e) style.
*** Customizable control...akin to most EOS's
*** On demand MF...like EOS USM's (note, A2(E) doesn't have this for
L-class USM glass in the custom function list)
*** Nikon low-light AF

Plus the usual:
*** High sync speed, high shutter speed (1/8000+)
*** MLU, DOF prev.
*** Two wheeled, like 9xi, 7xi, A2, 1, Elan
*** AA or lithiums
*** Built like a tank (and/or a stepstool).
*** Side release/controls
*** interchangeable screens, backs, battery packs
*** PC socket, remote
*** spot/center weighted meters
*** mounts Canon glass ;)

Hah!  Maybe I should start my own camera company!

-Ben
--

|| Benson Wen
|| ben_wen@athena.mit.edu
|| queeph@hing.lcs.mit.edu
From: cray@cray.kharkov.ua (Valery V. Cray)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: We are LOOKING FOR A BUSINESS PARTNER ! 
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 21:32:17 +0200
Distribution: world
Organization: PARALLAX CENTER Inc.
Reply-To: cray@cray.kharkov.ua


We are LOOKING FOR A BUSINESS PARTNER
in organizing of J o i n t   V e n t u r e  for  P r i n t i n g  W o r k s
and C o m m e r c i a l  P h o t o g r a p h y.
We have got qualified photographers and designers, models and many years of
experience in the field of photography and photo-design.

Our advertising department needs new printing technology and facilities
(lightning for the photographic studio, mini printing machine) that
we would like to receive at LEASING.

Address: PARALLAX CENTER Inc., P.O.Box 2864, 310100 Kharkiv, Ukraine
Phone: (0572) 98 43 33;  E-Mail: cray@cray.kharkov.ua
From: rane+@CS.CMU.EDU (Aaron Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Elan "better" than 10s?
Date: 3 Jan 93 04:54:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C09HMu.JJJ.2
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

You may remember me - I asked about the 8008s vs the 10s a while
ago - well, I've ruled out the 8008s as being too expensive
at the moment and narrowed it to the Elan or the 10s. From what I
understand, here are the differences between the 10s and Elan:

Elan                      10s
----                      ---
1 focus point             3 selectable focus points
7 custom functions        14 custom functions
5 bar code programs       1 bar code program
sophisticated flash       simple built in flash
  red eye reduction         (i don't know what features it has)
  2nd curtain sync
  auto-zoom
  balance flash/ambient 
                          built in intervalometer
                          faster film advance
                          sturdier construction
Quick Control Dial
3 meter selections        2 meter selections


Has anyone out there already made this choice? What made you 
go one way or the other?  From what I understand, the 430 ez
has the same functions as the Elans builtin flash, with more
power behind it (and the abilty to bounce/swivel). Is there 
anything I'm missing? Thanks.
                            

-- 
Aaron Hughes        DoD#0482   		The Freedom Junkie	
rane+@pulsar.fac.cs.cmu.edu		Bad cop. No donut.
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: "david elfstrom" <david.elfstrom@canrem.com>
Subject: what film to shoot?
Reply-To: "david elfstrom" <david.elfstrom@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 3 Jan 93 16:47:45 EST

Hello all!

I will be doing some indoor portraits with a tripod and various lenses.
The trouble is that I will only be using the room's incandescent
lighting, and a bounced flash off a white ceiling.
I don't wish to have any white object looking yellow due to the
incandescent lights.  The flash eliminates this to some extent, but I
want a more outdoors look to the light.

What type of 35mm color slide film should I be shooting with?

David Elfstrom
david.elfstrom@canrem.com
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: peterd@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Peter Davidoff)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:10:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Swelling of wet paper
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.photo


Brian:

Warm water will swell the paper/gel more than cold water -- a
technique used in Collotypes; that is, add more warm water to
increase the swelling.

Arista is available from Freestyle.  They advertise in Shutterbug.
Arista Classic seems to be one of the only bromides left that
can be used for some of the older processes.  Newer emulsions add
too many hardners making the unsuitable for the various 19th 
processes.

Many of the b&w folks at the local photo gallery like the way 
the Arista matt looks when I bring it in for critiques.  The paper
works well with Marshall pencils/oils for coloring.

As to your experiment printing with the paper wet:  sounds like it
should work.  When using paper negatives I've often wet both, the
paper neg and the unexposed paper in order to get good contact.  But
I never noticed an increase in sharpness, since the paper neg already
gave me a rather pictoralist fuzzyness!

Let me/us know the results.

Regards,
  Peter
From: shekhar@sinai.pilgrim.umass.edu (Ajay Shekhar)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: A very simple question by a beginner
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:41:37 GMT
Organization: "Project Pilgrim, Univ of Massachusetts, Amherst"

Hi,
	I started subscribing to this news group 2 days back. I am an 
absolute novice about photography, so pardon the naiveity of the foll.
questions.
	My friend (who knows nothing about photography) asked me about
the camera he should buy.
	The final choice was a Minolta 5000i. Now, after reading rec.photo,
this choice seems to be a bad one. Everyone seems to be discussing ONLY 
about Nikon and Canon cameras. Further, I haven't seen a single article on
the 5000i. Has this line been discontinued by Minolta ?
	The 3xi and 5xi, have this feature (I don't know the technical name
for it) that, the camera will automatically focus when you aim the camera at
a subject. The 5000i/7000i, focus only when the shutter is half pressed. I 
would have thought, that the automatic movement of the 3xi/5xi, was an
un-necessary drain on the batteries.
	Basically, the camera is not needed for anything special. It is for
normal family/picnic/may be a bit of zoom photography etc. My friend does
want a built in flash, and a 35 to 70/80 or 105 mm zoom.
	Can anyone give me any advice on the subject ?

	It would be great if you could post it to my e-mail account.

Thanks a ton - Ajay Shekhar
               (shekhar@cs.umass.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)
Subject: Re: Tilt Shift (Was: Canon 10s Vs Nikon N90, Which one?)
Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 20:15:48 GMT

In article <30DEC199211411901@romeo.caltech.edu>, dcl@romeo.caltech.edu (Darek Lis) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec30.115348.14686@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih) writes...
|> > 
|> >Indeed, used as a straight lens, it would seem that the TS-E lenses are
|> >fantastically sharp.
|> > 
|> >ACS
|> 
|> Is it just a guess or have you actually tested any of the TS-E lenses? A
|> review I've seen indicated that the TS-E 24/3.5 has a worse MTF than the EF
|> 24/2.8 at any aperture. I'd like to hear any first hand experiences though.
|> 
Don't know about the 24 mm TS-E. But the 45 mm TS-E is one of the sharpest
lenses around.

Jason Chen
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: diamond@jit345.bad.jit.dec.com (Norman Diamond)
Subject: Re: EKTAR 100 ROLLS FOR SALE
Reply-To: diamond@jit.dec.com (Norman Diamond)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Japan , Tokyo
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 08:42:43 GMT

In article <103190@netnews.upenn.edu> hussain@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kashif Hussain ) writes:
>I am an amateur photographer and have approximately 80 rolls of Kodak's
>Ektar 100 film.  Each roll contains 36 shots and will expire by 3/93.

If they're still unopened, just put them in your freezer and they'll
expire by 3/03 instead.
--
Norman Diamond                diamond@jit.dec.com
If this were the company's opinion, I wouldn't be allowed to post it.
Pardon me?  Or do I have to commit a crime first?
From: yangchen@lucia.usc.edu (Yang Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Canon Elan - leave leader out?
Date: 28 Dec 1992 18:28:22 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: lucia.usc.edu

dwing@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu (Dan Wing) writes:

>I've heard of some Nikon 8008s owners sending their cameras back to Nikon to
>get them reprogrammed to have the film leader left out when the film is
>rewound.

>Is this possible with the Canon Elan?

>-Dan Wing, dwing@uh01.colorado.edu or wing_d@ucolmcc.bitnet (DGW11)
> Systems Administrator, University Hospital, Denver (DGW11)

I think it is possible technically. Since the Elans use IR detector to
sense the film transport (and thus count the frames), there should be
no problem for them to do the same thing while rewinding, so that the
rewinding can be stopped as soon as there is no more holes detected or
until as many frame as have been used ( plus a few more holes) are
rewound.

Yang
From: duane@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (duane.galensky)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Where to post this...
Date: 29 Dec 92 15:48:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Dec23.220245.13281@acd4.acd.com> gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (gvb@acd4.acd.com) writes:
>
>We are now accepting pictures for our new .GIF CD-ROM due to
>be released some time in April.  We will be accepting any
>kind of pictures on the followings subjects:
>
>     CARS                TRAINS              BOATS
>     SEENRY              PLACES              PEOPLE
>     ANIMALS             BIRDS               WATER WORLD
>     EVENTS              HOUSES              SWIMSUIT
>     FLOWERS             TREES               SPACE
>     AIRCRAFT            LANDSCAPES          MISC
>
>We will be accepting pictures from any color format.  Your
>pictures will be scanned with scanning equipment and
>converted to the standard color .GIF format.  These color
>.GIFS will then be placed on our CD-ROM disc for distribution
>to places throughout the world.  If you would like to
>contribute some of your photos of the above categories please
>send your pictures to the address listed below.  If we use at
>least 25 photos from your collection we will send you a free
>CD-ROM disc upon completion.  If you would like your pictures
>returned to you after scanning please include $2.50 shipping.
>If you have any questions about our process please call
>today.  The deadline for receipt of your pictures for the
>first CD-ROM is Feb.  15, 1993.
>

let's see whether or not i understand this:

i send my photographs to you (plus $2.50 if i want them back...)

you scan them and put onto CD ROM

you sell my photographs to "places throughout the world"

and, if you sell 25 of my photos, i receive (free of charge!) 
a copy of my 25 photographs, along with free copies of the 
work of other people.  

that's it?

thanks, but i don't think so.

duane
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl)
Subject: Re: 8008s remote shutter contacts
Summary: replacment for lost remote cover
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:09:55 GMT

In article <1042@ubbpc.tredydev.Unisys.COM>, kjm@ubbpc.tredydev.Unisys.COM (Ken J. McFadden) writes:
> In article <1992Dec22.200248.19074@netcom.com> micki@netcom.com (Michelle Stone) writes:
> >kjf388@tijc02.uucp (Ken Fisher          ) writes:
> >
> >>I can't find any specific information regarding the remote shutter
> >>contacts in the operators manual for a new 8008s.  
> >
> >.... and when you lose that little cover.... just try and find
> >a replacement for it!  I swear that even the local experts can't 
> >find it in their catalogs!  I hate little stuff like that.  I 
> >always lose it!  I can count on it.  That was one of the things
> >that I knew would happen when I bought the machine.
> 
> Doesn't Del's (from Shutterbug) usually advertise having weird items like
> this?


Why not just replace the lost cover with the release that fits into
into that socket?  (MR-3A -- I think; don't have the camera handy
at the moment.)  It lets you shoot verticals more comfortably and/
or use a mechanical cable release, if you feel so inclined.

Of course, it also gives you something else -- considerably more
expensive -- to lose the next time around.  8-(

-- Ernest

-- 
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                                         FAX:  +1  919   286-1696
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From: dwing@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu (Dan Wing)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Canon 28-105mm USM with Kitties
Date: 22 Dec 92 10:00:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.154441.22409@spider.co.uk>, mikec@spider.co.uk (Mike 
Coren) writes:

> Has anybody used the new Canon EF 28-105mm USM lens around cats?  The EOS
> FAQ list says that the USM motors have been known to annoy cats, but I
> followed both my parents' and my Aunt's cats around with it and they didn't
> seem to mind.  While I realize this is by no means an exhaustive experiment,
> it does make me wonder if perhaps Canon has changed the USM motor at all.
> Has anybody else tried it?

I shot a roll of 36 with my 28-80 USM lens, and my cats didn't mind.  The 
flash started bothering them, but not the focusing.  These were my 
though, so they're pretty used to me.

-Dan Wing, dwing@uh01.colorado.edu or wing_d@ucolmcc.bitnet (DGW11)
 Systems Administrator, University Hospital, Denver (DGW11)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins)
Subject: Mail Order; Camridge; AAA; Better Business Bureau
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:51:41 GMT

Just for a laugh I wrote to the NYC Better Business Bureau for their reports
on Camridge Camera Exchange and AAA Camera Exchange, to see what they said
and if there is a connection between them. Well, Cambridge are at 45 7th Ave
abd AAA are at 43 7th Ave, both sell "Cambron" lenses and have identical
prices on many items. Draw your own conclusions!

Other interesting stuff:

The manager of AAA is "Mr Unknown Link" (makes you wonder if his brother is
called "Missing"?). I assume this is a result of stupid computer programing
where "unknown" was entered as a first name, and the resulting output form
letter reproduced this literally. 

Cambridge's president is Mr. Robert Lindenblatt (remember those "Lindenblatt"
SLRs they used to try to sell?). 

The BBB reports state that they are confidential and may not be reproduced
in whole or part without permission, so I won't quote from them here.
Suffice it to say that there were significant complaints (esp about Cambridge).

If you want the details (these reports are very short and just list a few of
the allegations againt any company, and their general reponse behaviour)
You can write for info on any company trading in NYC to:

New York City BBB
257 Park Avenue South
New York
NY 10010


You should include a stamped, self addresses envelope for a reply.

===============================================================
Bob Atkins  AT&T Bell Labs  email (direct)  att!clockwise!rma
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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson)
Subject: Re: Mamyia ZE 35mm Camera
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:37:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.172407.62336@cc.usu.edu> reza@cc.usu.edu writes:
>I own a Mamyia ZE 35mm camera. I have a small problem- the auto-exposure meter
>seems to be stuck. The camera never registers using a exposure longer than
>1/60 (which is not good for outside photos). If you have any suggestions,
>please mail. 

I have a Mamiya DTL1000, a similar model.  My light meter has the same
feature.  I get around it by opening up the aperature, metering, then closing it
down a stop for every doubling of the exposure.  Manual mode.

This will only work if you have a Mamiya, not a Mamyia.
Also, you say it is not good for outside photos.  You must mean at night.

-- 
Scott Hanson		This has been a recording.
despair@netcom.com
From: jacobson@cello.hpl.hp.com (David Jacobson)
Subject: Re: Canon 10s Vs Nikon N90, Which one?
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:49:16 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories

In article <1992Dec23.184713.16148@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih) writes:
>There was a thread not too long ago about how one Nikon shooter found
>that matrix metering didn't give exposures significantly different from
>centre-weighted.  I don't have a body that has both metering systems
>for comparison purposes, but it would seem to make sense.  Most multi-
                                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^
>segment metering systems *must* emphasize the centre segments because
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
>the AF sensor is there.  This is probably true for OTF metering too.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>When cameras can determine where the subject of interest actually is,
>they will all be limited in this way.  (The A2E certainly is a step
>towards this.)

I don't see what the AF system has to do with the metering system.  On
my 8008, anyway, the metering is all done off the focusing screen,
while the AF is done by a sensor on the floor of the body that
receives light that passes through the main mirror then reflects off a
small secondary mirror, both of which move out of the way during
exposure.  

And for OTF systems, clearly the sensors are different.  Light isn't
even reaching the AF sensor or the focusing screen while the exposure
is being made.

  -- David Jacobson
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih)
Subject: Re: A photographer's story
Date: 30 Dec 92 00:17:45 GMT

In <C01IuI.6s@ra.nrl.navy.mil> tse@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Anthony Tse) writes:

>In article <1992Dec29.203017.7755@pmafire.inel.gov> geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen) writes:
>>You are obviously a large-format photographer.

>   No, I am a large-format-shooter-wannabe.  I saw this used Toyo 4x5
>with a lens for $500 once, came really close, then came to my senses.
>Can't afford the 4x5 enlarger.

Enlarger?  Who needs an enlarger?  You could have been getting
experience and making contact prints in the meantime!
(Gads.  Where do *I* get a Toyo 4x5 with lens for $500???)

And think.  You could avoid all those debates over TTL metering,
focusing aids, and the whole mess!  :-)

ACS
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Newsgroups: rec.photo,misc.forsale
From: ychen@hubcap.clemson.edu (Eric Chen)
Subject: Re: >4 Sale: Canon AE1-P bk w/35-105 macro *REPOST*
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 16:35:52 GMT


Sorry for my mistyping.  The price should be $380.      

Thanks.

Eric
Newsgroups: rec.photo,misc.forsale,ga.forsale