HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tml@tik.vtt.fi (Tor Lillqvist)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Railway Gazette International
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:19:59 GMT
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland, Laboratory for Information
	Processing (VTT/TIK)

In article <1992Jul30.082058.13046@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> ufe@dlva.dl.ac.uk writes:
   Cheers,I'd be interested too. However, as far as I understand it, it is
   available only to professional railway persons - though I don't know
   how they restrict the circulation. 

Well, at least from here, I had no problem subscribing to it through a
normal bookstore. I haven't been disappointed.
--
Tor Lillqvist,
working, but not speaking, for the Technical Research Centre of Finland
From: matthew@cluster.cs.su.oz.au (Matthew Geier)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Australian rail accidents
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:06:06 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Science, Uni of Sydney, Australia


 This week is shaping up to be a bad one here.
 Crews are still cleaning up Sodium Cyanide at the site of Tuesdays truck/
train crash in western NSW.
 Yesterday in Sydney , a goods train had a few wagons derail while passing
through a suburban station. While the derailment itself was not major,
the damage it did to the cantanary was !. The wayward wagons ripped out
a support pole , bringing the lines down over all 4 tracks. An other
Electricly hauled goods train over a kilometer away got its pantographs
demolished by the shock wave along the wire.
 Suburban and Interurban train services are in chaos, with buses being used
to ferry suburban passengers around the site , and Interurban trains being
re-routed over the Harbour Bridge , causing congestion on the 'North Shore'
line. (Getting the Interurbans in position to run over the bridge is no
minor feat either ! ). Crews worked through the night on the overhead and
they expect to re-open the line to normal traffic some time today.
 I also saw briefly on the morning news ,that in Western Australia , on
the other side of the continent, a Transperth EMU and a car collided
on a level crossing. The EMU won...

 Thats 3 train incidents in a week..

Matthew Geier,
matthew@cs.su.oz.au
From: pierson@cimnet.enet.dec.com (dave pierson)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: 0-6-0 T Help.
Keywords: oil, steam
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:36:07 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <33262@cbmvax.commodore.com>, grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
(George Robbins) writes, in part:

>Railroads traditionally used Bunker C or heavy industrial fuel oil, but lighter
>fuel oil may be easier to procure and avoids problems with having to pre-heat
>the oil.  I know one local tourist line used regular home heating oil, the
>truck would simply pull up to the engine and make a ~200 gallon delivery.

	Some place I have a slide taken from "the bridge" at Cheyenne, WY.  A
	UP steamer (I shan't embarass myself guessing numbers) was being fueled:
	BIG tanker truck along side, fuel hose snaking up to the tender,
	LONG wooden dipstick on top, various personnel lounging about.  Takes a
	while to fill that big a tank.  Obviously THAT didn't burn "diesel 2".

	A friend worked part time for afuel oil company, including fueling
	diesels for <deleted> RR.  They would pull into town & he would meet
	them and fill 'er up.  AT one point, funancial realities being what they
	were, the word came down:

		COD for the RR.  NO MORE CREDIT.

thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
200 Forest St			|I am the NRA.
Marlboro, Mass	
01752				pierson@cimnet.enet.dec.com
"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."  A J Raffles
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Local laws apply?(was Re: Horn-blowing)
From: Robert Chambers <RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 29 Jul 1992 09:21:27 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <92210.155751C31801IE@wuvmd.wustl.edu>, Derek Morgan <C31801IE@WUVMD>
says:
>
>  Not necessarily; there are towns in Missouri that have been known to
>stop trains and issue tickets because they were going over the speed
>limit. The track is certified FRA 79, but the town speed limit takes
>precedence (I think this town's limit was 40.) UP pays the fine.

How exactly does the police dept pull a train over?  Do they have
a speeder with flashing lights? Do they perhaps just wave them over
at a grade crossing?  Road/rail blocks?  If I were the engineer, I
might wave to the cops though.  since SPEEDING per se is a moving
violation the ticket would be issued to the engineer, even if the
railroad paid the fine, the points etc would still go on the
engineer's record..  I could see if the headlights on the loco were
faulty, or he had a brake light out (:-) that such equipment fines
would be paid by the owner rather than driver.

>Maybe it's a city revenue strategy for the 90's...

That wouldn't be at all suprising.

>Derek Morgan

Robert
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,soc.culture.canada,can.general
From: sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones)
Subject: Re: TTC POP fines (was Railway police in Canada (was NYC's Transit Police))
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution: ont
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:01:20 GMT

In <BruGF6.GpL@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> sysmark@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Mark Bartelt) writes:

>[ Calvin Henry-Cotnam ]

>| GO's authorities, known officially as the GO Transit Enforcement Unit and
>| unofficially as the POP Cops (POP is the Proof Of Payment fare system),
>| are (if I'm not mistaken) actual peace officers similar to other police.
>| Although they do not carry firearms, they do carry billy clubs.
>|
>| If caught without proof of payment, the fine is $78.75 now, and I think
>| it is the same on the TTC as mentioned above.  This is a provincial
>| offences ticket that is issued just like a speeding ticket or a ticket
>| for drinking (alcohol) in a public place.

>The last I read (just a few weeks ago, though who knows whether the paper
>had outdated information?), it was $53.75 for not having a POP on the TTC
>Queen Street car.

>This raises a question I've always wondered about:  Why $53.75?  Why not
>an even $50 (or $55, or $60)?  If it were $53.50, I'd suspect they were
>charging $50+GST (1/2:-), but $53.75 is just plain weird.  Is it possibly
>an inflation-indexed value from some past year's base amount?  Anyone know?

Maybe it includes GST?

Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: david@indetech.com (David Kuder)
Subject: Re: Push-Pull Service: Which Way do the Locomotives Point?
Organization: Independence Technologies, Inc. Fremont, CA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:36:04 GMT

lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:
> 	Here in the Bay Area, BART and the Santa Clara light-rail
> 	systems are both loopless.

jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes:
# I thought both Richmond and Daly City had loops?

>	What gave you that idea?

Maybe the BART newletter thing that announced the completion of the
"Daly City loop" that would cut down the turn-around (in the sense
of back in operation) time.  If this loop exists, it's buried beyond
the Daly City station since there are tracks leaving the Daly City
station that disappear into some hillside.

>	I haven't been able to get a good view of the Richmond yard
>(I've taken a look at it a couple of times from Amtrak trains), but I
>doubt that there is a loop there. I've seen the Union City and Concord
>yars several times (both are visible from the BART lines that pass
>them), and there doesn't look like there are any loops in sight.

So far, so good.  The Union City yard is double ended.  The Concord yard
has a large number of single ended sidings.  I've never managed to get a
good look at the Richmond yard.

>The Daly City yard I visited for the groundbreaking ceremony for the Colma
>station construction, and there wasn't a loop there either.

Where is the Daly City yard?  I've only ever seen the station with its
3 platforms and then the lines leading off into the hillside.  I've never
been able to figure out if they came back out above ground.
-- 
David A. Kuder                                           Nothing pithy today
510 438-2003  {uunet,sun,sharkey,pacbell}!indetech!david  david@indetech.com
Organization: Drama, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:12:50 -0400 
From: Denise Pullen <dp2r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Train .GIF's/Problems corrected

Thanks to many kind users, I was alerted to problems with my initial
railfan .GIF uploads to wuarchive.wustl.edu. I have corrected the
problems and tested the files. They work fine now and have been resent
to the archive. There are many more on the way, so take a look and
please let me know of any additional problems. Thank you!
From: Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Railway police in Canada (was Re: NYC's Transit Police)
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:42:14 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Nigel Allen writes:
> 
> In Canada, the major railways (CN and CP) each have their own police forces.
> The [Canadian] federal Railway Act says that railway police are real police
> within their
> jurisdiction (the act uses the term "constablewick", which I have seen
> nowhere else), defined as railway property and/or within a quarter-mile of
> railway property.


To add....I may be wrong here, but if I recall correctly, the last time I
talked with one of the CP Police (I was working with them on some safety
projects), we discussed this over coffee.  Aparently they actually have "more"
power than RCMP....sort of.  The difference is, an RCMP constable has his set
jurisdiction, a city, town or otherwise.  Railway cops have "Canada" as their
jurisdiction on their ID cards.  They DO pack a piece.  In fact, CP just
converted (or is in the process) of changing from the standard S&W .38 Special
police issue over to a 9mm automatic with an 18-shot clip.


--

 steve_hooper@mindlink.bc.ca   []  Conductor on the High Iron of
 OR      a777@mindlink.bc.ca   []     CP Rail - Cascade Sub
 The Great White North in      []
 Vancouver, BC CANADA          []   Opinions are mine, NOT CP's
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: jbvb@vax.ftp.com  (James B. VanBokkelen)
Subject: Re: AMTRAK On-time-liness ?
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Reply-To: jbvb@ftp.com
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:48:11

In article <1992Jul23.161613.28093@wdl.loral.com> gjs@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Gregory Scott) writes:

    ....  The person I talk to tried to schedule me
    Train 11 San Jose - LA (arriving LA 7:45pm) Train 4 LA - Kansas City
    (departing LA 8:30pm)....

The connection may be somewhat tighter now, which implies that the Starlight
is scheduled later, but I've made it several times in the past few years.

James B. VanBokkelen		26 Princess St., Wakefield, MA  01880
FTP Software Inc.		voice: (617) 246-0900  fax: (617) 246-0901
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Train .GIF uploads to wuarchive.wustl.edu
From: Robert Chambers <RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 10:32:47 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I checked out this archive this morning and there are a whole lot of
interesting looking files there...

I have but one problem, the displayer I have will only work for .GIF
type files.  If anyone has a JPG to GIF converter that will run under
IBM's CMS I would appreciate a copy.  I do not have access to a unix
box to do the conversion.

If anyone has converted these images to a .gif format that I can
retrieve, that would be most useful.

Robert
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: pierson@cimill.enet.dec.com (Dave Pierson)
Subject: Re: Amtrack to ME? / MBTA rail to NH?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 31 JUL 92 13:05:17    

In article <1992Jul31.115648.2049@merrimack.edu>, gemmellj@merrimack.edu
writes...
>Hi there.  I was wondering on the status of getting Amtrack service to
>Portland, Me via Boston.
	AMTRAK
	Its been talked of.  Its being talked of again, seemingly seriously:
	bids/proposals solicited & received.

>Also, just a thought.  How come the MBTA commuter rail does not extend into
>New Hampshire.
	MBTA Means MASSACHUSSETTS Bay Transportation Authority.  They can
	run out of state, some runs to RI, ferinstance, but i takes extra
	effort.  It was tried 10(?) or so years ago, with federal fund for
	support.  (generally considered to be an election year "trick" by
	Pres. Carter.)  When the Fed money ran out nobody paid for it, so it
	stopped.

>Tons of people who live in NH work in Boston.  If there was more public
>transportation availble, then there will be less congested highways going
>(especially on interstate 93 in southern New Hampshire.)
	Therein lies part of the problem.  There is no track & little RoW
	along the I93 axis.  What there was was old, crooked & abandoned.
	I Suspect it will come, but now it would require funding from sources
	not interested.  (Unless the commuters consent ot pay their own way,
	in toto.)  The NH communities are a bit dispersed for rail service.

thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
146 Main Street
Maynard, Mass
01754				pierson@cimnet.enet.dec.com
"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."  A J Raffles
From: blw@majipoor.Corp.Sun.COM (Brian Wong - SMCC Technical Product Marketing)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Semaphore Signals
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:47:00 GMT
Reply-To: blw@majipoor.Corp.Sun.COM
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: majipoor.corp.sun.com

I just got back from a drive between San Francisco and Portland (Oregon).  I
noticed along the way that SP still uses lower-quadrant semaphores in Oregon.
I drove I-5, which parallels SP for many miles and I saw quite a number of
them still working.  I didn't know ANYONE used semaphores anymore (except in
computers, of course ;-)

Who else uses semaphores?  Are the ones on SP an endangered species?  Should I
go measure them when I'm driving by the next time (this fall) in order to avoid
disappointment later?

---

Brian Wong				Technical Marketing Group
blw@chessie.corp.sun.com		Sun Microsystems Computer Corp.
415-336-0082				Palo Alto, CA 94303
From: clev@cisco.com (Robert Clevenger)
Subject: Steam train SJ to Portola
Organization: Cisco Systems
Distribution: rec.railroad
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:18:32 GMT


I heard a rumor that there is going to be a passenger steam train run
from San Jose to Portola, CA via the Feather River Valley (WP?).  Any
particulars about this would be appreciated.

Questions:

* When?  Did it already happen?

* How to be a passenger?  How much?

* Particulars about route?

* Does this coincide with "Railroad Days" in Portola?

Thanks for any input,

;                       ..         ..              
; Rob Clevenger         ||         ||
; clev@cisco.com        ||         ||
; 415.688.4447         ||||       ||||
;                  ..:||||||:...:||||||:..
;                             cisco Systems
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: SEPTA "Norristown Trolley" (P&W) Equipment?
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:34:46 GMT
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University


From DeGraw's older book on the Red Arrow lines (details lacking-- my
friend has it and forwarded me this info)--

The Strafford (and it is Strafford) cars had trolley poles and steps
so they could make the stop at Norristown, which was in the street
about one block north of that old terminal on the el.  The even older
equipment got poles but not steps-- go figure what good that did!

The old terminal on the el was built so that the Bullet cars could do
without steps and poles, so date it to 1931, when the Bullets came.
After that date the Strafford cars didn't need the poles and steps
either and they must have been removed as the cars were shopped.  They
got the name "Strafford cars" after the Bullets arrived because they
became the regular equipment on the Strafford line, with the Bullets
handling most Norristown runs.

A new Norristown terminal was opened in the late 1980's, a block south
of the "old terminal on the el" that I refer to above.  The new one is
right over the railroad station and a new bus station.  

--Joe Brennan
From: pierson@cimill.enet.dec.com (Dave Pierson)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: 470 Club, Boston
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:42:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1992Jul30.225421.13605@grebyn.com>, pdm@grebyn.com (Paul Makinen)
writes, in part:

> 
>Does anyone have an address or phone number for the 470 Railfan Club in
>Boston?
	Portland, ME, I believe.  (rumors to the contrary, civilization DOES
	exist North of Boston 8)>>).  My files yield TWO addresses AND a
	fone number.  Unknown which is current, tho I would try the
	_second_:

    470 Railroad Club, 391 Cottage Rd, S Portland, Maine, 04106
    470 Railroad Club, 18 Melody Lane, Portland, Maine 04103
    207-797-8845 6-9PM ONLY

thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
146 Main Street
Maynard, Mass
01754				pierson@cimnet.enet.dec.com
"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."  A J Raffles
From: jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Push-Pull Service: Which Way do the Locomotives Point?
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:38:40 GMT
Organization: Investment Management Services Inc., NYC

Loren I. Petrich <lip@s1.gov> writes:

	Here in the Bay Area, BART and the Santa Clara light-rail
	systems are both loopless.

I thought both Richmond and Daly City had loops?

/jordan
From: Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Via,Amtrak on train security?
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:47:35 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Brian Tarbox writes:
> 
> I'm taking a cross-country trip on Via and Amtrak (first class!)
> this week and started wondering about the security of my personal stuff.
> Do cabins lock?  If not, how do you keep your cameras, etc. safe, other
> than taking them with you all the time?  Thanks for the help.


On VIA, nope.  Usually people just close their doors when they leave.  They DO
lock from the inside only.  Pack your cameras and stuff in the bathroom when
you leave, or if you're in a roomette, throw them up in the bed and put the bed
up (not tight, just open a bit so you don't crush 'em!).

I have not been on the Canadian since 1990 (when they cut it off CP), but back
then there used to be a shoe-shine cupboard that opened from the inside AND the
outside.  The idea was you put your shoes in there at night and a porter would
come around and clean them for you.  Well, some of the doors were bolted shut,
but some were not.  Be careful!  Don't stash valuables in here!!  Trust me,
people have done it before....

Hope to hear all about your trip, and especially about the new VIA Silver &
Blue Class refurbished equipment.


--

 steve_hooper@mindlink.bc.ca   []  Conductor on the High Iron of
 OR      a777@mindlink.bc.ca   []     CP Rail - Cascade Sub
 The Great White North in      []
 Vancouver, BC CANADA          []   Opinions are mine, NOT CP's
From: jjohnson@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (JOHN JOHNSON)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Was I seeing things?
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:36:14 GMT
Reply-To: jjohnson@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Distribution: ba
Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <21687@sybase.sybase.com>, nealg@pokey.sybase.com (Neal Goldsmith) writes:
>Monday, July 27.

What did I see? And where was it going?

It was SP 4449 and train returning to Portland. It went through Chico about
10:30 am yesterday (Tuesday).
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,soc.culture.canada,can.general
From: cal@ee.ryerson.ca (Calvin Henry-Cotnam)
Subject: Re: Railway police in Canada (was Re: NYC's Transit Police)
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:44:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.115219.9014@samba.oit.unc.edu> Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
>
>The Toronto Transit Commission does not have uniformed security personnel,
>except for fare inspectors, who check that people travelling on "honour
>system" lines (currently only streetcar services operating on Queen Street)
>have valid transfers or passes, and issue $53 summons to people who cannot
>prove they paid.

The TTC's fare inspectors also make random checks on the validity of people's
MetroPasses to be certain that their picture and number match (how many
fare collectors and drivers *really* look that closely?)

Additionally, the Railway Act requires a railway to "police" itself.
What I mean by this, is that when a streetcar on the TTC (which falls
under the jurisdiction of the Railway Act even though it shares a right
of way with cars that fall under the jurisdiction of the Highway Traffic
Act) has an accident with another vehicle on the road, or a pedestrian,
the Metro Toronto Police cannot lay any charges against the driver of
the streetcar as thier jurisdiction does not cover the Railway Act.  The
TTC must investigate and, if necessary, disipline the driver itself.

>GO Transit and some other transit authorities with
>"honour system" routes also have fare inspectors.
> 

GO's authorities, known officially as the GO Transit Enforcement Unit and
unofficially as the POP Cops (POP is the Proof Of Payment fare system),
are (if I'm not mistaken) actual peace officers similar to other police.
Although they do not carry firearms, they do carry billy clubs.

If caught without proof of payment, the fine is $78.75 now, and I think
it is the same on the TTC as mentioned above.  This is a provincial
offences ticket that is issued just like a speeding ticket or a ticket
for drinking (alcohol) in a public place.


Calvin Henry-Cotnam, CATE            |    MY CANADA INCLUDES CANADIANS!
Ryerson Polytechnical Institute      | I would really like this to include
Toronto, Ontario, Canada             | Quebec - but I won't hold my breath.
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Railroad Commercial on CNN
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:18:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: LLNL


	OK!

	I goofed! I goofed!

	It was Norfolk & Southern, not Burlington & Northern.

	Exactly where does N&S run?
Newsgroups: rec.railroad,sci.environment,alt.activism
From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher)
Subject: Re: _Scientific American_ profiles Maglev Trains
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:24:27 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I dunno... DO we wanna see Maglev before the turn of the
century? If any known system makes economic sense (even 
with lavish gov't subsidies), why do the Japanese and
Germans have nothing in service after spending 20 years
and a billion dollars? Remember that the US gave up on
developing a supersonic transport at about the same time,
a decision which was absolutely correct. Maybe we were
right about maglev, too. (I'm suspicious of a system
that spreads its motor out along the entire length of
track; maintaining self-contained locomotives and
completely passive tracks is hard enough...)
Xref: sparky rec.railroad:6078 sci.environment:10346 alt.activism:13773