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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 93 15:43:19 -0500
From:         MITCHELL@VAX.LIBRARY.UTORONTO.CA
Subject:      RE: Turkey
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Hi

Can somebody pass me some info if there are cruise ships etc in Turkey and also
if the beaches are as nice as they are over here. I plan to visit Turkey
 sometimes
next year.

Any info will be appreicated

thanx

--
JM

I went to Turkey last winter for four weeks and spent most of the time along the
Aegean and Mediterranean coasts.  There are some nice beaches in the South West.
One, in particular, I remember is a place called Oludeniz, which is just outside
of the town of Fethiye near the port of Marmaris (used to arrive from the island
of Rhodes).  Oludeniz is really beautiful and the water was still warm enough to
swim in in early December.  I also heard of some more good beaches further east
near the town of Kalkan.  Try to avoid the port towns such as Marmaris where
people are coming from various Greek islands -- they tend to be a bit touristy.
As far as cruise ships, I know of only two and they don't run in the winter so
try to go in the spring or summer.  There is a passenger ship that goes from
Izmir on the west (aegean) coast up to Istanbul and (from the accounts of people
who tried it) a really interesting cruise from Istanbul to Trabzon in the north
east of the country.  This passage (which takes two days and which also returns
to Istanbul) goes along the Black Sea and provides some very exciting views of
the coastline.  Check departure times before you go; a few years ago the
Istanbul-Trabzon cruise travelled only once a week (Mondays from Istanbul and
Wednesdays from Trabzon).  I hope this is of some help.  I also hope to return
to Turkey some day myself.  Bye for now.


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From:         u7941930@BM.NSYSU.EDU.TW
Subject:      Re:Ireland
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Dear friend:
    How are you? Iam Zoe. The first, I wish you Happy New Year. And I try
to explain your questions, aithough I don't come from Ireland and I even
haven't been there. But during my studying, I have ever learned some
 informations ab
informations about Ireland.
    Ireland is in the west of England. It is divided into Northern Ireland
and Republic o Ireland. England occupies Northern Ireland for a long
time. So the relation between them is tense. Dublin is the capitalof Republic
of Ireland. Republic of Ireland has an area of seventy thousand, two hundred
and eighty-three square kilometeres. The population of Republic of Ireland
was over three and a half million in 1987.It is surrounded by high-lands.
The center of Ireland has a wide plain. It has a humid, rainy and cold
weather. The chief products of Republic of Ireland are potato, meat, milk and
 eggs. Usually, they
and eggs. Usually, they can export some farm products to England. But it is
a country poor in minerals.
    I hope these data can help you. All the best.

					Zoe Ou
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Tmne Sperling

Well said.  ditto  ditto  ditto

delete  delete  delete
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 93 14:45:51 EDT
From:         Okan KOCAK <EMY03@TRFIRAT.BITNET>
Subject:      Cleveland health center in Houston
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l


  Dear Travellers,
  I need the mail posting address of the following.
  I am not sure about its name,but it is either

    CLEVELAND HEALTH CLINIC IN HOUSTON,TX
         OR,

    CLEVELAND HEALTH CENTER IN HOUSTON,TX.

  I need this info because,a patient here needs a cure which is not
  available here.Thanks for any help.

  Okan KOCAK
  EMY03@TRFIRAT
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 93 15:45:00 CST
From:         Ruth Creekmore <KARECIR@TAIMVS1.BITNET>
Subject:      Chicago info
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

I'm going to be in Chicago in mid May. Could anyone give me an idea of how
cold it gets there then? (I'm from warm South Texas). Also any "must-see's"
would be appreciated. Thanks!
Ruth
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 93 13:48:47 CST
From:         Tom Kearns <tkea@SEQ1.LOC.GOV>
Subject:      Requesting Info re: Santa Fe in January
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I will be in Sante Fe for a long weekend in January with my family.  Any
suggestions on what to do there this time of year (other than skiing)?

Thanks for your help!

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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 93 18:55:17 TUR
From:         "SUE THOMAS (602) 392-5147" <THOMAS@GWC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: STOP TAIWANEESE!
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l


I think this type of reponse is anappropriate about the Taiwanese.

Sue Thomas
thomas@gwc
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From: JL.KGR@isumvs.iastate.edu (Karen Roughton)
Subject: Central Florida tourist query
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:26:30 GMT

Can anyone recommend any attractions (besides Disney World and
Cypress Gardens) that are within 100 miles of Ft. Pierce, Florida
and would interest two boys, ages 7 and 11?   We will be in that
area at the end of January.

Thank you

Karen Roughton
Iowa State University
jl.kgr@isumvs.iastate.edu

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From:         Lucy Rowland <LROWLAND@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Cincinnati, OH
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I will be attending a professional meeting in June, 1993 in Cincinnati.
The co-headquarters hotels are the Hyatt Regency Cincinnati and
the Clarion Hotel. Conference rates aren't outrageous ($128 and $93
double, respectively), but are there other hotels, B&B's etc, in
the vicinity that are in a safe neighborhood and not too awful a
walk?

Any info on restaurants and attractions gratefully accepted.

Lucy M. Rowland, MS, MLS
Head, Science Collections and Branch Services
University of Georgia Libraries
Athens, GA 30602-7412
706-542-6643
FAX: 706-542-6523
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 93 11:56:07 CST
From:         u7941908@BM.NSYSU.EDU.TW
Subject:      WINTER VACATION
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         Dear friends:

                       Winter will come in Taiwan. I prepare to travel with my
friend. I uaually travel by bus but this time I want to ride autobicycle. It
hears so wonderful and I am very happy that I travel with my frind. You have
so good experience and please tell me in your free tme. I believe that it is
a delighful time.  In winter vacation I want to play around Taiwan and I believe
that I will have a good time. Do you have such an experience ?  Can you tell me?
Thanks a lot.

                                           YEA HUNG LIA
                                           N.S.Y UNIVERSITY
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 93 19:08:33 EST
From:         THE SAMBA KING <EADKINS@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      SIGNOFF

	Whoever is in charge, please remove my name from this subscription.
Thank you,
Pete Adkins
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:05:31 +1100
From:         Tmne Sperling <tmne@ARCHSCI.ARCH.SU.EDU.AU>
Subject:      re subscribing
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SUBSCRIBE TRAVEL-L Tmne Sperling

 -- Tmne
_______________________________________________________________________

Tmne Sperling                      Voice: +61-2-692 4031
Key Centre of Design Quality       Fax:   +61-2-692 3031
University of Sydney               Internet: tmne@archsci.arch.su.oz.au
NSW 2006 Australia                 Time: GMT + 10 hours
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 93 11:09:43 EDT
From:         Okan KOCAK <EMY03@TRFIRAT.BITNET>
Subject:      about coast of Turkey
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  Dear JM,
  If you let me know your posting address.I am going to send
  you some documents about the coasts of Turkey.
  You may reach me directly.

  Okan KOCAK
  EMY03@TRFIRAT
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From:         R.Milovanovic@AXION.BT.CO.UK
Subject:      HELP TO UNSUBSCRIBE
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UNSUBSCRIBE - HELP TO DO IT FOR

	Rajko Milovanovic
	rmilovan@axion.bt.co.uk
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 93 10:04:00 MDT
From:         LDENNING@DUCAIR.BITNET
Subject:      Re: STOP TAIWANEESE!
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

To Sue Thomas:  I really don't care what gets posted as long as it stops
these incredibly innocuous, self-serving, totally uninteresting postings.
About another two days of this and I will unsubscribe.
                                Lloyd Dennington
                                ldenning@ducair
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From:         "Ann S. Coates" <ASCOAT01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Cincinnati candy
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Curator of Slides, Fine Arts Dept.
Phone: 588-5917

The candy store/bakery mentioned is probably Graeter's.  They make
chocolate chip ice cream from candy leftovers, and it is to die for!
Although there are several outlets, the flagship store, I believe,
is in Hyde Park, an area also interesting for its shops and galleries.
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 93 15:17:00 MDT
From:         LDENNING@DUCAIR.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Central Florida tourist query
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Seaworld in Orlando is aleast a half-day affair and should be of high
interest to 7 and 11 year-olds.
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 93 10:38:42 +1100
From:         Tmne Sperling <tmne@ARCHSCI.ARCH.SU.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: Political agendas
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              04 Jan 93 13:14:51 -0500.
              <9301042124.AA18455@archsci.arch.su.EDU.AU>

> Please, I thought this was a travel list.  This list is NOT intended to be
> a place for someone to forward their political agenda.  If you make your
> travel plans based on whether you agree with the politics of the local
> government then you are going to miss many great sights throughout the world.

Yes, this is meant to be a travel list, however, if you feel you can get
enjoyment from a country and culture that disagrees with your ethics and
principles, then perhaps you are only getting a very superficial view of
the country. Sometimes it is worthwhile to miss out on some places if
the politics are too hard to swallow.

PS this is just a general comment, not at all about Colorado. Actually I
don't know the issues involved in skiing or not skiing in Colorado. I
think I will wait and ski here in the winter!

:-)
 -- Tmne
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Tmne Sperling                      Voice: +61-2-692 4031
Key Centre of Design Quality       Fax:   +61-2-692 3031
University of Sydney               Internet: tmne@archsci.arch.su.oz.au
NSW 2006 Australia                 Time: GMT + 10 hours
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 93 14:36:00 MDT
From:         LDENNING@DUCAIR.BITNET
Subject:      RE: New Orleans Trip
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Maureen - The Oak Alley Plantation was terrific.  However, I was there a
group so I don't know if it is generally open to the public, and if not,
how you go about seeing it.
                                        Lloyd
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 93 20:39:00 +0200
From:         TOMY_ACE@EGAUCACS.BITNET
Subject:      re:Skiing in Clorado
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l


I think the discussion about Colorado's amendment 2 and gay rights is
totally out of place here in this list. Please if you want to carry on
this discussion do it directly and not on Travel-l or use another list
which was made for these kind of discussions like BELIEF-L@BROWNVM.
I hope nobody is offended.

Hatem <TOMY_ACE@EGAUCACS>
From: FACN34A@SAUPM00.BITNET (Dean)
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Subject: Re: Visite Mexico
Date: 5 Jan 93 12:52:48 GMT
Organization: King Fahd University of Petroleum and Minerals, S.A.
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On Tue, 5 Jan 93 01:21:48 SAT Haytham AboAysha (Hayt) said:
>Dear All,
>
>   I'm planning to visit Mexico between 22 and 30 of Jan 93 and
>would like more information about some places to visit.
>I have heard of some places like Cancun!! Is it a good place to
>visit? and what the weather will look like in that time?
>What money do I have to concern?
>Please reply soon (I'm running out og time!!)
>Please reply to <STUHAA6@SAUPM00.BITNET>
>Thanks
>
>
>Hayt

Hayt,
Cancun is VERY touristy. Feels like you're in the U.S.
Isla Mujeres is near Cancun and much nicer.
I would highly recommend Zipolite on the Pacific coast, near Puerto
Angel. And, if you decide you want a more touristy place, Puerto Escondito
isn't very far away.
                                      Dean
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 93 22:12:02 TUR
From:         WIDDKB85@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: STOP TAIWANEESE!
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I have just returned from my winter break and as soon as I got back to school I
rushed to the computer lab to receive my e-mail.

You must have imagined my suprise when I saw that there were 160 messages
waiting for me?!?  160!!!  I had signed off of most of my lists for the
holidays, so I couldn't imagine what was the topic of such interest that it
created so many messages.

As I looked at my directory I saw all the postings for Taiwan and read the
useless, but harmless notes from the students there.  And then I read all the
pleas, arguements and comments about the unneccessary postings - I couldn't
believe it all.

The fact is that there were just as many postings about the Taiwianese students
as there were original postings.  More space was taken up from complaining or
commenting about the students then the actual messages that they were sending.
My point is this, if you have a problem about a sender's message then send a
POLITE posting to them directly.  Please don't assume that new users of a list
understand the purposes and uses of that list (I know that I did not understand
six months ago, when I signed on)  But, there were people (and they know who
they are) that greeted me and helped me along the way, and I feel that I now
must do the same.

I realize that I am now equally guilty of taking up space because I am
DISCUSSING this issue, but I am just afraid that our intolerance for human
error is inhuman.

Thanks for allowing my views to be heard-
Kathleen B. Widden
SUNY Oneonta - New York
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 93 08:53:16 EST
From:         "Anuj K. Sinha" <ASINHA@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Overnight stay in Hongkong
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

I am travelling to Calcutta, India via Hongkong and Bangkok in Feb 93. On my
way to India I am required to spend a night in Hongkong and on my way back
I am required to spend a night in Bankgkok. In both these cases I will
reach in the evening at about 7 and depart in the morning at about 8.

This is a request for someone knowledgeable about these places to advise
me on reasonable accomodation at or near the airport in these two
cities. I will have my 7 year old son with me. I would not mind somekind of a
whirlwind tour also of these places since my chances of going back to either
are pretty remote.

Thanks a bunch in advance.

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From:         jo mateix <ZCCBCVM@EB0UB012.BITNET>
Subject:      Madagascar
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Hello everybody,

I'm preparing a travel in Madagascar during my summer holidays and it
would be strongly important for me to receive any information related
to this country island. Has someone been there?

In general, I'm very interested in Africa and I will be very happy by
interchanging experiences with people that have visited (or not yet)
those exciting far lands. If you are one of them, don't doubt to use
my mail address.

Happy travelling year,

Carles.
Barcelona (Spain)
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From:         u7941930@BM.NSYSU.EDU.TW
Subject:      Re:Ireland
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   Dear friend:
How are you? I am Zoe. The first, I wish you Happy New Year. And I try to
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From:         "Mary K. Becker" <MKBECK01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Memphis
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Acquisitions Assistant-Kornhauser Library
Phone: 588-5763
Thanks to all of you who responded to my queries about Memphis.
It was great.  We did Beale Street and Graceland - I love
Beale Street!  We plan to go back in warmer weather.  There
were several places, including the Rendevous restaurant, that
were closed from Dec. 24 till Jan. 2 or 4.  The Sunday brunch
at the Peabody is a MUST for anyone in Memphis on a Sunday.
Thanks again.  It was a lot more fun knowing what was there before
we went.
Mary K.
MKBECK01@ULKYVM : BITNET
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From:         Marshall Eng <URMXE@NYUCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Tours recommendation in China
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Hi Netter,
   I'm an asian-american who is planning to spend his next vacation in
China. Does anyone have any recommendations to any english-speaking tour
group in China? Any ideas or experiences will be greatly appreciated.
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From:         HGOLDSTE@UDCVAX.BITNET
Subject:      what is happening to this list?
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months ago I suggested that personal responses be sent to
the individual rather than the list ... everyone said i
was a spoil sport ... now we have a GAY TAIWANESE madman
filling the list with insanity!

lets make some rules ... the list is for travel queries
and general responses of interest to the group as a whole,
summaries of information received and the like ... that would
have eliminated all this garbage we are going through.

commercial messages (SKI COLORADO junk was clearly commercial)
are outrageous regardless of politics ... lets bombard the
people who post that junk with hundreds of junk mailings of
our own ... look, several people, at least, have already quit.
this list can't work without a good nucleus ... what can be done
to prevent this from recurring?

for my 2 cents, the idiot who is going to Colorado so he won't be
stared at in the bathroom doesn't require a response ... you feed
him by responding ... he doesn't deserve attention of any type.

and you can't simplistically say that by going someplace with different
ethics as your own is somehow cheap ... after all who do you hurt by staying
away from Colorado, certainly not the right wing interests that put together
that law!  what about Tibet?  by going there do you somehow justify the
Chinese policies?  Tibetans welcome foreign visitors, the more that come
the better their interests become known.
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From:         "SUE THOMAS (602) 392-5147" <THOMAS@GWC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: STOP TAIWANEESE!
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LLoyd,

Well so be it!

Sue
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From:         Okan KOCAK <EMY03@TRFIRAT.BITNET>
Subject:      get rid of those u794....
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   Those of u794....,
I know you are  business adm. students and many details
about your life and Taiwan.But,how do you feel good
writing those info because nobody asks them.You made
everybody feel that everybody who sees your userID's
immediately purges your mail without paying attention
the content.Please,you wait at least a day without sending
a mail.

Okan KOCAK
EMY03@TRFIRAT
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 93 14:25:50 EST
From:         MAUREEN BENNETT <BENNETMM@SNYCENVM.BITNET>
Subject:      New Orleans Trip
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Hello!

     After much begging and pleading, my husband has convinced me to go
once again to Mardi Gras in New Orleans from Feb 18th or 21st to
Feb 28th.  This will be our second Mardi Gras, but this time we will have
our two children (almost 2 and 4 yrs) and we will be there for several days
after Fat Tuesday.
     Aside from the obvious zoo and aquarium trips, is there a must see even
that is an overnight trip away?  We will be staying with my brother who is
a 12 year transplant from New York, but as many can attest to, you don't
always explore where you live and work as you would as a tourist.
     I have thought of a Plantation or Bayou tour.  Is there any in particular
to see or avoid?
     Any and all help would be appreciated.


Thanks,

Maureen
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