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From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Home Diaper washing question
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:46:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.230821.330@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com> elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.165629.28269@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
>>Bleach really isnt necessary. It keeps the diapers white, but who cares.
>>Actually, I do bleach about once a month, and then I use about 1/2 cup. Bleach
>>is pretty powerful stuff, and I woudnt pour it in without measuring. I also
>>put it into that special little cup. You wouldnt want to pour bleach directly
>>onto the dipes.
>>
>>
>I admit to having no experience washing diapers, but I thought the
>bleach (as in clorine bleach) was to kill bacteria -- with the
>whitening as a side effect. I've always used it to sort of sterilize
>clothes -- like say dog bedding.  (It kills flea eggs too.)

For most kids the steralization just isnt necessary. Washing in hot water with
detergent seems enough. 
>
Laura Floom
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lief@pegasus.rice.edu (Eugene Lief)
Subject: ! ! ! STOLEN  BABIES  ! ! !
Originator: lief@zeno
Keywords: baby, steal, safety, security
Organization: Dept. of Space Physics & Astronomy, Rice U., Houston
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:37:27 GMT


Hello, people:

my wife and I are concerned with the safety of our newborn baby. Could
anybody, please, tell if:

1. Does it happen often that babies of few months and older are being
   stolen for whatever reason? Baby in this age can easily forget his/her
   parents and be illegaly adopted by anybody with the same color of skin.

2. Has anybody heard of typical cases of stealing babies?

3. If any cases are known what are the pattern? Do they kill parents or
   wait for a good time to steal?

4. What preventive measures can be taken agains stealing?

Thank you very much in advance.

Very truly yours,

: Eugene Lief                       :  Phone (713)527-8750 x 2651,           :
: Rice University, Department of    :  E-mail LIEF@SPACSUN.RICE.EDU,         :
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From: sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Water for babies
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:31:05 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <glen.726360222@cs.wisc.edu> glen@slate.cs.wisc.edu (Glen Ecklund) writes:
>jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz) writes:
>
>>What has changed over the years that babies don't require water?
>>I used to give water to mine when it really wasn't time for them
>>to eat.  It seemed to pacify they until feeding time.
>
>>Jan
>
>Perhaps what has changed is that now we feed them when they're hungry.
>I don't see anything wrong with (good) water, but deprivation of food
> ...
>Glen Ecklund     glen@cs.wisc.edu   (608) 262-1318 Office, 262-1204 Dept. Sec'y

  I see a difference in this area between newborns and older babies.  
Newborns do indeed have their own schedule that fluctuates to their
own internal rhythms, and "filling them up" with water is going to
potentially deprive them of badly needed calories.  But for the slightly
older infant, we all begin to "play" with their schedules to make life
more tolerable for everyone.  The two biggest examples are eating and
sleeping -- we begin to encourage them to go longer between meals, and
sleep longer at a stretch.  Some kids do this on their own.  Other kids
seem, by nature, to be "grazers/snackers" and/or "cat nappers".  Left
to their own rhythms, they'd eat once an hour and sleep in multiple 20
minute cat naps, and will drive you insane.  If you can stand it, great.
If you can't, you need to find a way to help the child "stretch out" the
intervals.  Water is one perfectly reasonable way to do this, as are
distraction, pacifiers, car rides, etc.  Water is also an important 
element in some women's attempt to breastfeed -- would you rather my
day care provider give my infant a bottle at the first sign of hunger,
or give her an oz or two of water to help her wait *comfortably* until
I can get there?  Water goes thru the system pretty fast, and a lot
of babies can well use it anyway,  and a short time later, the water
will be gone from their stomach and they will take a full feeding.

					Susanne Gilliam
From: vnoronha@dagwood.intel.com (Valerie Noronha)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: water breaking
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:03:53 GMT
Reply-To: vnoronha@dagwood.intel.com (Valerie Noronha)
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA


In article <1833@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, psybc806@emory.edu (Elise G.
Jacobs) writes:
|> 
|> I am absolutely convinced that I won't know when my water breaks.  Between
|> my leaking bladder (especially when I cough) and swimming, I can't imagine
|> how I will distinguish anything.  Anyone else with this fear?
|> 
|> Elise

I'm not really too worried about this as from what I have been led to
believe even if you don't know when your water breaks, after it breaks
you will have fluid leaking as the aminotic fluids replenish themselves.
Also, you may end up going into labor without your water ever breaking so
don't wait for this to happen to contact your dr/midwife.

I do know what you mean about the leaking bladder, though.  I'm glad it's
not just me.  Keagles are supposed to help, though I haven't noticed much
difference.  I just hope my allergies don't come back!

Valerie
From: kellee@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kellee Noonan)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:16:29 GMT
Subject: Re: How do you get a 7 month old to stay still!!!
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: misc.kids

This reminds me of a riddle I saw when my kids were little:

Q: What is the difference between dressing a 12 month old and
alligator wrestling?

A: You don't have to worry about hurting the alligator!


Seriously, thought, it is very difficult to stop the squirming.
Distraction was the only thing that worked for me, and being
quick with the diaper, and having clothes that were easy to pop
on (Of course, those are easy to pull off to run around naked....
but I drift).

For the medicine part, I had one child (oldest) who would take the
medicine in her mouth, then, spray it all over me. Then she started the
fighting. The only thing that worked for me was to put her on the floor,
straddle her, hold her arms with my knees, and wait for her to clench
her jaw. Then I put the medicine dropper between her cheek and gums
(hard to clench lips and jaw at the same time for her anyway). Once I
got the medicine in her mouth, I would blow in her face. This made her
swallow. My sister says it is somewhat reflexive for babies to swallow
if you blow in their faces. Worked for me anyway.

I only did this with medicine. For vitamins, I mixed them with other
things at breakfast or dinner.

Good luck.
kellee

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Planning babies
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:26:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>in article <1993Jan4.214717.21815@news2.cis.umn.edu> Theresa Jarosz
> Alberti wrote:
>
>In article <9301042032.AA28372@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> ,
>statar@ihlpb.att.com writes:
>>I'd like some views from you misc.kidders on
>>when to have another baby.  I have two daughters,
>>born 4/26/90 and 5/22/92.  We would like to have
>>our third child be at least 2 years but no more than
>>3 years younger than Kathy.  We have both always
>>liked spring birthdays best, but this summer we
>>were somewhat trapped inside by having a baby too
>>young to go out much, she couldn't open her eyes
>>outside when it was sunny and bright!  So now we
>>are considering a fall baby so that the baby will
>>be old enough to take out and go in the pool in
>>the summertime.  I'm thinking of Feb. or March of 95,
>>my husband thinks we should go for Sept. or later
>>of 94.  Both of our children were planned for March,
>>April or May (Kathy barely made it!).  We plan to
>>have one or two more children, right now I'm just
>>trying to decide when the next one should be.
>>How important are these considerations, and what
>>other things should I add to the list?
>
>We planned to get pregnant in January of 1991 and did, right on
> schedual.  How perfect, right?  What we didn't plan on was having
> twins!  Just to show you how you can plan, plan, plan, but you really
>never have that much control of things!
 
No kidding!  Or the baby that comes early (like Melissa - I still had
showers coming up, and the room to finish, etc.), or lost pregnancies,
etc.  I think "hope" is more accurate than "plan". :)
 
>We too are thinking about when to get pregnant again.  It's a hard
>call-- we don't want the children to be too far apart in age, but if we
>have twins again (we're more likely), it might be nice to have Gennie
>and Leo fully potty trained first.
 
I always heard parents talk about getting that potty training done
before the next child arrived.  It never bothered me (still doesn't)
if I'd have two children in diapers at one time.  I figure I'd rather
the diaper time overlap and be shorter overall than get it all over
with and then start over.  Am I the only person who thinks this way?
 
And if you have twins again, God bless you!!!!  WOW.  I can't even
imagine that. :)
 
>--Theresa Jarosz Alberti
>
TAMARA
Mommy to Melissa (5/1/91) and ? (due 5/8/93)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jsattle@andy.bgsu.edu (jason sattler)
Subject: Re: kid book recommendation request - divorce
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:58:42 GMT

andy rogers <rogers@ial3.jsc.nasa.gov> writes:
> a friend has recently divorced. her husband really is rather a jerk. (has the
> kids every other weekend, most times gets a sitter for saturday night so he
> can go out on a date, just typical for the rest of his behavior)
> 
> the boy is in 3rd grade just beginning to read short chaptered books. he has
> always been 'diagnosed' as mildly disruptive. sometimes he experiences great
> anxiety at what would seem to be minor catalysts for such emotions, especially
> for his age. difficulty concentrating in school, test anxiety at even simple
> quizzes, but very sharp and good learner. (the other day after being extremely
> upset he told his mom he felt like his whole world was ripped in half)
> 
> the girl is 4 years older than him. they have never gotten along much at all.
> she is an avid reader. she is adjusting little better. she is very good with
> my 3 little children, all under 5.
> 
> mom has a demanding work schedule but manages well, i think, to spend good
> time with her kids. she may spend a tad more play time with the girl, at least
> as perceived by the boy.
> 
> both kids i have found to be wonderful in their ways but both feel that dad is
> neglecting their attentions (reference first paragraph parenthetic) and have
> many of the hard to deal with emotions about the whole thing. i like them both
> so well i really hate to see them have to deal with this.
> 
> can anyone here recommend good books for each kid?
> 
> thanks,
> andy
> ----
	As a teacher who has dealt with these problems in the classroom, there
is one book that I use most often.  It is called "Dinosaurs Divorce".  It
was written by Marc Brown and his wife who is a psychologist.  It is an
excellent book.  I feel that it does a good job of explaining divorce and
some of the changes that will be going on in the family because of the
divorce.  Try it and see what you think.

		Nickie
		jsattle@dad.bgsu.edu

was written by Marc Brow
From: peac@sybase.com (Jeff Peacock)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How do you get a 7 month old to stay still!!!
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:01:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <1993Jan6.185040.16915@cbnews.cb.att.com> klj@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.l.carr) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.145902.25526@crd.ge.com>, millerj@belize.crd.ge.com writes:
>> 
>> 	Now I have to give him cough medicine and drops in his eyes.  He used
>> to take his vitamins in a dropper really well but now it's impossible to
>> do without getting half of it on his face/clothes/hands.  It takes one 
>> person to hold his head and one person to try to pry his mouth open and
>> shove the dropper in.  He tries to clench his jaw and jerk his head the
>> whole time.  I do the eye drops when he's drinking so I can usually get
>> one eye without him noticing.
>> 	HELP!! Is there a trick to doing this?
>
>As for the medicine, I sit on the floor and put one leg over her middle.
[...]
>I also have found that despite the fact she clenches her jaw when she sees
>the dropper coming close to her mouth, if I just wait a few more seconds,
>she will open her mouth to scream -- in goes the dropper and the medicine.
>
>	Karen

I don't know if you've tried this, but our daughter used to fight medicine
droppers too.  We started putting medicine in a bottle nipple, which worked
fairly well - she stopped fussing, but if the stuff tasted bad she just 
wouldn't suck. My MIL is a school nurse and she got us a medicine spoon -
it's kind of a plastic test tube with a cupped spoon end.  We were sure
that if our daughter wouldn't take medicine from a dropper she sure wasn't
going to drink it out of a spoon!  Interestly enough, though, she will take
any medicine from the spoon, even Amonium AD (sp?), which has got to be the
most foul tasting stuff in the world.  Kind of zen. ;)

I think it's a matter of control and *speed*.  She'll do it if she can
drink it *quick*.  Also, I think the dropper must be pretty unpleasant.
Like force-feeding a goose. (no pun intended)

-Jeff
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: connie@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Constance Stillinger)
Subject: Help!  Baby fusses at breast--
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:47:08 GMT

Sometimes when I feed Morris, my 2-week-old, he will latch on, nurse
for a minute or two, and then start to cry and struggle (arching his
back, kicking, and pulling his head back).  He'll be okay for another
minute after I take him off the breast and put him back on, and then
he'll start to fuss again.

I'm really at a loss on this.  I know he's getting plenty to eat
ultimately because he gained a pound and a half in his first two weeks
and he's making plenty of wet and dirty diapers.  I *think* I'm
positioning him right because my nipples aren't sore.  I do change
positions from feeding to feeding and alternate starting breasts.

He's not particularly fussy between feedings, and sometimes he's calm
during a feeding.  A burp, passing gas, or a bowel movement during a
feeding will sometimes calm him, but not always.

Does anyone have any insight?  I suspect it may be gas or
uncomfortable peristalsis stimulated by feeding that he'll eventually
outgrow, but I sure would like to make him more comfortable now if
possible.

Thanks,

Connie (Morris's mom)
From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Laying newborn on stomach
Date: 11 Jan 1993 10:28:01 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Diane Segelhorst writes:
 Carrie was born about 3 weeks after the AMA(?)
or whoever it was in the US announced that babies should be put on the
backs if the side didn't work.  In the hospital, John had laid her on
her back in the bassinet.  He was roundly scolded by the nurse!

When we got home, for the first few weeks while she still liked being
swaddled to sleep, I could prop her on her side to sleep and she would
stay there.  Even then, her pacifier would fall out and she would wake
crying.  Once she wouldn't put up with being swaddled and on her side,
I tried putting her on her back.  It took HOURS to get her to sleep,
and she never napped well, because she kept startling herself awake.
In desparation, I put her on her tummy.  Voila - she started sleeping
through the night within a few days.  She no langer started herself
awake, and her pacifier would stay in her mouth better.

***************

Isabel was born about a month before all the articles
came out, and we switched her at that point from stomach
to back. It only took her a couple of days to get used to
the new position.

Now that she sleeps in whatever position she prefers, she
switches from stomach to back to side, with a slight preference
for stomach.

(and she's the world's most pacifier-dependent child -
never seemed to be affected by position)

so, in our case, the benefits of assuaging even a little
of my new-mother neuroses greatly outweighed any
discomfort for the baby. YMMV.

And, as a plus, if she's ever more than 5 months pregnant,
maybe she won't mind having to sleep on her back :)

-Dena
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Subject: Re: Cute things they say (26 mo.)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:00:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.043138.12412@cbnewse.cb.att.com>
elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
>Our 26-month-old son Kurt uses "hot" as his word for
>both hot and cold temperature extremes.  And when
>he encountered his first snowfall, he didn't know
>the word for it.   Instead, he exclaimed "Hot . . . Dirt!"
>
 
  My 25-month-old son also says, 'hot' when he means 'cold'.  Recently, I
had the vaporizer on in the room he shares with his sister.  When he asked me,
'What's that?', I told him it was a 'humidifier' (mistake).  Now, when we are
near the vaporizer, he tells me it is 'hot'.  I thought that he was noticing
that the mist is cool (hot = cold) and then I realized that he thinks it is
a 'fire' (humidi - fire).  He loves fire trucks, engines, firemen, and even the
fire in the fireplace...
 
                        K. Wilk
                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
            <--********************************-->
 'Thrusting my nose firmly between his teeth, I threw him to the ground
  on top of me.' - Mark Twain
            <--********************************-->
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sara@austin.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Parents Magazine confuses on circumcision
Originator: sara@drwho.austin.ibm.com
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:12:07 GMT
Reply-To: sara@austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Austin
Keywords: circ


In <gdavis.726346857@griffin>, gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)  wrote:
# 
#  Although PARENTS magazine is in general a "party line"
# Yuppie(Jewish) magazine,they could have done parents a better service
# in their January issue in an article authored by two women,Kathrine
# Karlsrud,MD and Dodi Shultz.

	-and-

# These women appear to wish to please their publisher,Joachim Rosier
# rather than truly providing accurate information for parents to
# truly make an informed and thoughtful choice.

I, like others, found these sections of this article to be 
anti-semitic.  Should I assume that a good review of a poor
performance of Handel's Messiah was written because the
authors and/or publishers are Christian?  To be honest, I
would more likely assume that the reviewer had written a
bad review for an honest reason.  (I might assume ineptness,
ignorance, or something else, but I wouldn't leap to the
assumption that the review was based on faith.)

Also, the reference to a
	"party line" Yuppie(Jewish) magazine
reminds me of an accusation made by a General Brown who was once
chairman of the joint chiefs of staff when he said that the
greatest threat to the U.S. was the Jewish bankers/Communist
conspiracy.  It's the link between a group, like Jews, and 
something which is generally believed to be bad, like Yuppies 
or Communists.  (By the way, I am NOT saying that Yuppies or 
Communists are bad.  Now, bankers....;-) )

The KKK is having a rally in Austin on the 16th to protest
Martin Luther King Day.  I had read that a number of groups
were sponsoring counter-events in opposition.  I had wondered
if my almost-8 yo was too young for me to explain about
prejudice, or if he should understand and participate in
the counter-events if he chose.  I now have my answer.  My
son must know that there are people who are prepared to
think bad things about him because of his religion, of his
schoolmate because of his color, of his sister because of
her gender, etc.  When they come for us, there will still
be others left to stand beside us, if we have anything to say
about it.

Think about it, parents.  Think about what you are prepared
to think of other people just because they belong to a 
different race, religion, gender,...  Do you want your
children to be similarly limited in their approaches to
individuals?  Remember Pogo, "We have met the enemy..."
-- 
Sara Blatt
internal:	sara@drwho.austin.ibm.com
external:	sara@netmail.austin.ibm.com
My opinions are my own, not necessarily IBM's!
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: cotton diapers that don't stink?
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:50:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

At my first birthing class last night, a representative from a 
diaper service gave a short presentation.  She claimed that 
because their diapers are treated with something that does not 
let bacteria grow, they don't stink.  The service provides a 
hamper.  No solution is in the hamper.  You just throw the used 
diaper in there and are not even supposed to rinse the poop out 
first.  The representative swears that THE DIAPERS DO NOT STINK.
Could this be possible?

I might try the cotton diapers, provided the daycare I choose 
will go along with it, which is another problem.

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men
From: rickc@agora.rain.com (Rick Coates)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:26:47 GMT

lewism@jmb2.jmb.com (Mike Lewis) writes:

>The One and Only (jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
>: 
>: It is hard for us to let continue a practice with no good reason that involves
>: a non-consenting third party.  It would be a totally different matter if
>: the decision were your's about your body.

>Who is this mysterious "us" you refer to?  Is "us" everyone who happens to
>agree with your point of view?  What other decisions regarding *my* children
>do you believe this "us" is entitled to make?

>Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about corporal punishment?
...

>Frankly, it's none of your business, unless it crosses the line into child
>abuse.  Here's hoping it stays none of your business in the future.

Well, if you engage in coporal punishment that involves any permanent
scarring (and nobody can say circumcision doesn't), the police and 
child protection services will be talking to you.  Not a great analogy.

I find it pretty easy: any permanent physical modifications unrelated
to immediate health problems should be left to the child.


Rick Coates
rickc@agora.rain.com

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer)
Subject: Re: child sex predictor (vietnamese)
Organization: TI DSEG, Spring Creek, Plano, Tx.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:19:23 GMT


	Right for my brother, wrong for me.  50%.  Exactly what I
expected the accuracy to be.

-- 
Mark Meyer                                               | mmeyer@dseg.ti.com |
Texas Instruments, Inc.,  Plano TX                       +--------------------+
Every day, Jerry Junkins is grateful that I don't speak for TI.
         "If only I could forget her."  "Pretend you owe her a couple hundred."