From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Some recent stats in the San Jose Mercury
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 01:54:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.011214.21748@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>...
>Let's not forget that, thanks to racist immigration laws, one of the few
>ways for Asians to immigrate to this country was by getting a grad fellowship
>at a major US university.  A big fraction of the Amazingly-Successful-Asian-
>Americans that I know were already very highly educated upon immigration
>or are the children of highly educated immigrants.  I wonder:

This depends on which Orientals you might be expounding.  As I've said
many times before, the majority of Chinese-cu immigration into the USA after
1960's has come almost exclusively from the Chinese-cu upper class.  They've
had environmental stimuli that is far superior to that received by
many members of cultural groups in the bottom of America's economic
totem pole.

Compare the lower-class Chinese-cu, most of whom are still stuck overseas,
to the disadvantaged classes in the USA.  Now, there's a fair comparison.
Those lower-class Chinese-cu, if they could ever enter the USA, would
likely exacerbate the current crime situation--involving drugs, prostitution,
child abuse, wife abuse, etc.--beyond the wildest "dreams" of law
enforcement agencies.  Just look at the current situation, where there
are almost no lower-class Chinese-cu.  The Chinese-cu triads are _the_
major crime threat in Northern California.  Don't take my word for it.
Go ask the Senate committee that produced the report on the Wop To Hop
crime syndicate.

All references that even imply that the Chinese-cu are a model minority
group are just a bogus piece of crap.  They have never been nor will they
likely ever be a model minority group.

This, however, does not necessarily apply to the Japanese (or the Koreans).

>	1.  What is the per capita income of Asian Americans relative
>		to other ethnic groups, *after controlling for educational
>		level*?  Controlling for the proper variables is critical
>		to getting meaningful results;...
>[...]

Hear!  Hear!

I'd like to see some stats on the internal structure of Chinese-cu lower-class
families in the USA--rare as they might be.

We need to explode this ridiculous myth about the "model minority" 
structure of the Chinese-cu family.  We need to help kids like the one
in San Francisco, who was so horribly abused that she vented her
frustrations by torching the records office of her high school.
She was terrified of her parents discovering that she was absent
for just 1--J.U.S.T. O.N.E.--day of school.  What kind of perverse crap is
happening at her home to so terrify her.  Poor girl.  It all sounds
pretty sick to me.

Very sick.

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