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From: klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Color string to nearest match converter?
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:34:07 GMT
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Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany

Date: 1 Oct 92 08:40:07 GMT
Message-Id: <1aedh8INN5ig@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Sep30.143014.10063@ims.com>, tonyf@peacock.ims.com (Antonio
Freixas) writes:
|> The original code (Which I didn't quote completely) used XLookupColor
|> followed by XAllocColor, which has basically the same restriction.  So
|> I still think that the short routine I proposed does the same thing as
|> Rainer's code (minus the fprintf output).

The difference is a bit subtle: If you use XAllocNamedColor and the
allocation failes, you don't know why. You simply get a return value of
zero, and that's it. On the other hand you can introduce error checking
both after XLookupColor and after XAllocColor. In this case you know what
went wrong, either the color name was illegal or a color cell could not be
allocated.

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From: yih@tbd2.brl.mil (Yolin I. Huang )
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: X-window bar chart software?
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:47:48 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: B R L, MD.

Date: 28 Sep 92 15:38:06 GMT
Message-Id: <19221@smoke.brl.mil>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


there is a need to plot bar charts on X-window environment.  I checked
Xfig, Gnuplot, Tgif; it seems that these packages don't do bar charts that
easily (as, for instance, in DOS Lotus 1-2-3).  I am wondering, if there
are available packages to do bar charts? ftp sites?

Thanks in advance.

Yolin Huang
yih@brl.mil, Maryland.
From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: font properties, legalities
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:27:10 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 07:50:34 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep25.075034.10096@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Sep21.152043.3733@syma.sussex.ac.uk>, mppa3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Alan Richardson) writes:

> Given an XFontStruct I want to obtain the values of the property
> atoms XA_COPYRIGHT, XA_NOTICE.  I guess I use XGetFontProperty, but
> how do I get a string from the unsigned long value it returns?

You cast it to an Atom and use XGetAtomName.  I have no idea where, if
anywhere, this is documented, other than the source to programs that do
it.  I think that's where I found it when writing getbdf...

> Secondly, if I include the copyright notice in rotated versions of
> these fonts, am I legally allowed to distribute the rotated fonts
> with an application?

Depends on the copyright notice.  As always, if it really matters, ask
a lawyer.

> * "You don't have to be *
> *  old to be wise"      *
> * ******Judas Priest*****

Perhaps not, but it helps :-)

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
From: rcskb@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Kendall Bennett)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Free software and the future of support for Diamond products
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:49:00 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre

Date: 28 Sep 92 05:05:22 GMT
Message-Id: <rcskb.717656722@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386,comp.windows.x,comp.os.linux,comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.mach,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) writes:

[masses of text deleted...]

>I need positive feedback and support!

>The design, development, manufacturing process has not begun yet.
>If I can make you comfortable, I was a founder of a company which
>was going to produce a communications chip and I have over 13
>years of experience as a software engineer. 

Maybe this thread should be amalgamated with the "GNU hardware" thread?
I love the idea so lets discuss it some more...

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From: beyer@utrtsc.dec.com (Peter Beyer)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: R5 Server for DECstation 5000 HX ?
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:42:19 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Date: 2 Oct 92 14:09:59 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct2.081651.27774@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


In article <wittig.717949344@gmd.de>, wittig@gmd.de (Georg Wittig) writes...
>In the official Release Notes of X11R5 (as of Sep 91) it is said that the
>only R5 X servers for DECstation 5000's are for the CX and MX machines.
> 
>In the meantime, DEC doesn't sell the CX machines any more (at least here
>in Germany), and the MX is a Monochrome machine.
> 
>Does anyone know if the MIT R5 X server for the DECstation 5000 also works
>for the HX machines? Or is there a place where I can get an X server for
>the HX?

The HX framebuffer card can also work in "dumb" mode. (slower though) In this 
mode it's working equal to a CX. Xdec in the R5 distribution works fine with
it. (I've done it)

Peter Beyer 
Digital Equipment b.v.
Internet: beyer@utrtsc.enet.dec.com
From: gram@aim1.aztec.co.za (Graham Wheeler)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: XFree86 - where is it?
Date: 3 Oct 92 07:07:46 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Aztec Information Management

Date: 30 Sep 92 13:49:47 GMT
Message-Id: <gram.717860987@aim1>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hi all

I am looking for an X server that will work on an ATI VGA Wonder SVGA card. I
believe that XFree86 will do it. Is this available anywhere?

Thanks in advance
Graham

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From: ravi@lub001.lamar.edu
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Regarding How to stop Dirty Pictures.
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:04:20 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Lamar University - Beaumont

Date: 25 Sep 92 00:48:56 +1700
Message-Id: <1992Sep25.004856.1583@lub001.lamar.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hello Everyone,

Thanks a million for all those who replied to my question. Looks like I
didn't do my homework properly, or else I wouldn't have asked the question.

For those of you interested:

My question was:

How can you stop other people from putting dirty/unwanted pictures on
to your workstation. They can apparently do so, by setting their 
DISPLAY variable to the desired Workstation's IP address.

Replies:

"xhost -" would disable access to all other workstations.
More information is available in the man pages for xhost and xauth.

Once again, Thank you all.

Ravi Kuppanna
From: tmcconne@sedona.intel.com (Tom McConnell~)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Sorting in twm's icon manager
Date: 27 Sep 92 08:45:49 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Intel Corporation

Date: 24 Sep 92 23:48:42 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep24.234842.13109@ichips.intel.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x


In article <19t90dINN9ma@early-bird.think.com>, barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin) writes:
> In article <1992Sep24.151608.25036@di.unipi.it> campo@sunthpi3.difi.unipi.it writes:

  <stuff deleted>

> I do, however, have a kludge to suggest.

  <stuff deleted>

> Barry Margolin
> System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.
> 
> barmar@think.com          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar

  You could also have a single icon manager for each group of applications. twm
supports multiple icon managers.

    Cheers,

    Tom McConnell
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From: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Simple X demo wanted
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:17:15 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Oracle Europe

Date: 2 Oct 92 11:33:34 GMT
Message-Id: <2904@nlsun1.oracle.nl>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I am an absolute novice to the X environment and have no real 
notion of how things are done under X. I am therefore looking
for a simple demo application which opens a window, maybe draws
some points or text and simulates a button which can be clicked
on. 

I'd appreciate it if someone could point to a piece of code which
can serve as a gentle introduction into the world of X and has 
some of the above mentioned characteristics. FTP is fine.

Thanks a lot
---> Rob
From: art@cs.UAlberta.CA (Art Mulder)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: QUERY: How to get more performance, when using X11R5
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:59:01 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada

Date: 29 Sep 92 22:32:38 GMT
Message-Id: <art.717805958@edwand>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x



		How To Maximize the Performance of X

More RAM, Faster CPU's, More diskspace, Faster Ethernet...  These are
the standard responses you get when you ask about how to make your
workstation go faster.

Well, more hardware isn't always an option, and I wonder if more
hardware is really always even a necessesity.

I'm interested in collecting advice and suggestions from folks on what
sort of software solutions there are in order to get the best possible
performance from my workstation, WITHOUT PURCHASING MORE HARDWARE.

I realize that there are a whole host of other considerations besides
X11R5, and I'm interested in hearing those also, but for the time
being, I'd like to stay focussed on what specifically X-related options
there are.

For example, right now I use mwm (the Motif Window Manager).  I know that it
is no speed demon, but if I switch to another window manager, which one?  Is
twm the quickest?  olwm?  What about the virtual window Managers like tvtwm?
Do they gobble more RAM with maintaining the extra info?

Let me tell you a bit about my setup:
	Sparc ELC (monochrome), 8mb RAM, 200mb local disk, 32mb
	paging partition.  SunOS 4.1.1, X11R5, Motif Window Manager.
	Normally I have 4 xterms on the screen, one xterm console,
	xbiff, and xclock.

Please send me any and all advice/suggestions, and I will collect them,
digestify them, and post them to the net.  If enough worthwhile information
surfaces, I'll look into turning this into a FAQ.

...art  (art@cs.ualbert.ca)

ps: I did read the very fine X FAQ and found no other advice beyond
    "Use X11R5, it's faster than X11R4".

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From: reza@loki.jsc.nasa.gov (Reza Razavipour)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Sockets and Event handling
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:48:58 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Lockheed Eng & Sciences

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:20:37 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep28.202037.19509@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Can a kind soul send me code or explain how a socket or a 
message queue can be made part of the normal event handling 
loop? WHat should the information exchanged look like, etc...
Thanx in advance.
Reza.
From: adrian@ora.com (adrian)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: X Input Extension
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:04:21 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 13:35:24-060
Message-Id: <9209281935.AA00485@spike.ora.com>


> I'm trying to use the XInput extension to read pointer data
> from a textronix tablet.  Does anyone have a skeleton for
> using the XInput extension?  I've been searching through 
> all the standard MIT docs including library, encoding and 
> protocol docs and O'Reilly says nothing about the extension.
> Please respond by e-mail to greg@seismo.do.usbr.gov.  I'll
> post all the worthwhile information after I sift through it.

The X Resource will carry complete documentation for the
X Input Extension in Issue 4, which comes out in about a month.

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From: gizmonic!csthomas@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU (shane thomas)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: X Server on OS/2
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:58:43 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: The Gizmonic Institute

Date: 28 Sep 92 14:14:01 GMT
Message-Id: <3PeTRB1w165w@gizmonic.UUCP>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I read in on of the X-server abstracts that was posted recently that
there is now an X server for OS/2 v2.0. Anyone have any experience 
with it yet?

shane



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From: tonyf@peacock.ims.com (Antonio Freixas)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Color string to nearest match converter?
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:07:15 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc.

Date: 29 Sep 92 14:43:46 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep29.144346.23858@ims.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1a7cl2INN99@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE>, klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute) writes:
|> In article <ghawkins.717351964@unix1.tcd.ie>, ghawkins@unix1.tcd.ie (George
|> C. Hawkins) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> Before I write it could somebody help me out and send me the code
|> |> for a converter that takes a string (matching one of the entries
|> |> in rgb.txt) and returns the nearest matching color available in
|> |> the current colormap if it cannot get that exact color.  I imagine
|> |> it should be quite easy to do, just request the contents of the
|> |> entire colormap using XQueryColors and then scan it. If you've
|> |> already written this please could I have a copy?
|> 
|> 
|> The following code does this on Xlib level. If you are using Xt, you could
|> make use of the string to pixel converter (see below).
|> 
|> 
|> /* This function tries to lookup a named color and to allocate a color cell
|>    in a read-only colormap. A pixel value will be returned. If anything
|>    fails, the specified default pixel value will be returned. */
|> ...

I hope George Hawkins doesn't mind my kibbitzing on his original
question.

Contrary to what Rainer Klute says, his code does not satisfy the
original request.  Allocating a new color cell is not the same as
finding the "nearest matching color in the current colormap".

An interesting question is whether one would ever really want to get
the "nearest matching color".  The result might produce some very
awkward and unpredictable color combinations.  Also, in searching the
colormap for the nearest color, one might want to avoid read/write
cells since their colors may change without warning (and I don't know
how to determine which cells are read/write off the top of my head).
After finding the nearest matching read-only color cell, one would
want to allocate it to avoid having the cell freed when the original
application that allocated it went away.

Another comment:  It seems to me that the code listed by Rainer code
be more easily implemented using XAllocNamedColor.  Wouldn't the
following do the same things?

/* This function tries to lookup a named color and to allocate a color cell
   in a read-only colormap. A pixel value will be returned. If anything
   fails, the specified default pixel value will be returned. */

unsigned long AllocateNamedColor (display, colormap, colorName, defaultPixel)
Display *display;
Colormap colormap;
char *colorName;
unsigned long defaultPixel;
{
    XColor exact, bestMatch;
    if (XAllocNamedColor (display, colormap, colorName,
                          &bestMatch, &exact) != 0) {
            return defaultPixel;
    }
    return bestMatch.pixel;
}



					         -- tonyf@ims.com
					       (503) 626-7117 x1349
From: casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: X and UDP?
Date: 28 Sep 92 01:18:04 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam

Date: 27 Sep 92 21:17:35 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep27.211735.20287@fwi.uva.nl>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

pkarrer@bernina.ethz.ch (Peter Karrer) writes:

>I'm trying to run a demo version of Xtreme's X Appeal X server for DOS.
>No success so far, both over SLIP on my home system (silly, I know) and
>over a token ring network at work (packet drivers ETHERSL and IBMTOKEN).

>TRACE shows that the X server is sending UDP packets to port 177 (hex B1)
>and is getting "port unreachable" ICMP messages back.

>Now, I heard that X is using TCP, ports n00* (n=8?). So what's that UDP
>stuff?

Your server is trying to get managed by xdm. It sends XDMCP requests
to port #177 one some machine. Since no xdm is running,
the server keeps on trying.

Casper
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From: troy@kurangocit.gu.edu.au (Troy Baalham)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: mirroring an X display
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:23:41 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.

Date: 30 Sep 92 08:02:25 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep30.080225.166@kurango.cit.gu.edu.au>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

A package called xmx is available from the Computer Science Department
at Brown University.  Here is a bit of the blurb from the README

> XMX is an X protocol multiplexor.  It is a standalone utility for
> displaying an X Windows session on multiple displays.  XMX takes 
> advantage of the networked nature of the X Window System by tapping 
> the communication link between an X client and an X server.  In this 
> way, XMX works with any X clients and any X servers, without the need 
> to modify either.
> 
> It's tempting to call this "broadcast software," and that is certainly
> the effect.  In reality, though, XMX is "multicast" software.  It must know
> all the slave machines ahead of time and it connects to each one directly.
> XMX is more like mail than news.
> 
> XMX connects to N servers like an X client, then accepts connections
> from M clients like an X server.  One of those servers is designated the
> "master" from which input is directed to the clients.  The other servers are
> "slaves".Slave servers receive only those protocol requests that are necessary
> for them to maintain a visual look-alike of the master server's display.
> 
> This software was developed at Brown University for use in our electronic
> classroom.  Some version of it has been in use here since 1988.

All I have is a copy of the README file, so for more info, I'd email
	John Bazik at Brown University
	Email: jsb@cs.brown.edu
From: english@alicudi.usc.edu (Joe English)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Save me from IconPositions!!!
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:21:57 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Nerds of Action

Date: 24 Sep 92 22:19:16 GMT
Message-Id: <19tet4INN27k@alicudi.usc.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.intrinsics,comp.lang.tcl


In article <Bv1v5s.CKt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, sinclair@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Duncan Sinclair) writes:
|> Is it just me or do other people have problems with icons that
|> like to go their own way?
|> 
|> I use twm (& tvtwm) and I am sick of iconifying a window
|> to see the icon end up someplace that I didn't put it,
|> or sitting in the middle of the screen, under the pointer.
|> What's wrong with my iconregion? huh?  That's what it's there for!

How big is your IconRegion?  If a window's icon is too big to fit,
twm et al. seem to place it wherever they feel like it.

(Just checked this under ctwm 1.3, and sure enough -- with
IconRegion "1200x100+200-30" everything works fine, but
decreasing the height to 40 ("1200x40+200-30") causes it to
be ignored, except for very short icons.)


-- Joe English

   joe@trystero.art.com
From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Color string to nearest match converter?
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:55:50 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 04:18:12 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep29.041812.28567@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <920925083648.21c00207@TGV.COM>, mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) writes:
[hm, did I delete this attribution line by mistake or did it get lost?]
>> Before I write it could somebody help me out and send me the code
>> for a converter that takes a string (matching one of the entries in
>> rgb.txt) and returns the nearest matching color available in the
>> current colormap if it cannot get that exact color.

> Have you ever tried: XAllocNamedColor()?

Patrick, you should know better than that.  That works only for the
static visual types.  For dynamic visuals that will round the color to
the nearest color the hardware supports, but if it then can't find that
rounded color in a read-only cell the colormap, it will fail rather
than returning the closest cell that does exist.

>> I imagine it should be quite easy to do, just request the contents
>> of the entire colormap using XQueryColors and then scan it.

Not quite that easy.  You don't want to use a read/write cell, because
it may be changed behind your back at any time.  Unfortunately there is
no way to query whether a cell is read/write or read-only.

Note also that the colors reteurned for unallocated colormap cells are
undefined; there is no promise that they bear any relationship to what
would appear on the screen if you drew with a corresponding pixel
value.

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
From: gerald@atlastele.com (Gerald Aden)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Anyone using AnswerGarden?
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:30:37 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.

Date: 30 Sep 92 17:41:53 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep30.174153.16523@atlastele.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps

Is anyone out there using AnswerGarden?  I tried running it under both
X11R5 and OpenWindows3.  I tried clicking on all the buttons but nothing
happens execpt it does quit when I click on the quit button.  Am I missing
something here?  Also, is there a later version of AnswerGarden than what
is on the original X11R5 contrib tape?

Thanks in advance,
Gerald Aden
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From: oj@miki.pictel.com (Oliver Jones)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Upgrading from X11R4 to X11R5
Date: 4 Oct 92 10:55:08 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: PictureTel Corporation

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:12:22 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Oct1.171222.12180@miki.pictel.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Sep22.205023.9521@cti.com> kmeek@cti.com (Kevin Meek) writes:
>Do you have to run fs in order to use X11R5??
No.