HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.motss statistics for August 1992
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:48:20 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes, oh, Ryly:
> coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
> >georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes, wrily:
> >> Or Wreilly...
> >Oh, rielly?
> No. its "O o o o oooooohhhh! Reilly!"

Orally?  Aurally?
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"To my surprise I find out I have a great imagination." -- Ivana Trump
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Re: --Vote on a day--
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:00:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.100847.14705@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>>How about Saturday, 10 Oct?  That puts it right between Columbus Day
>>and National Coming-Out Day.
>
>So how does that sound to everyone else? 

It's right smack dab in the middle of the quilt events in
Washington!  Actually, a march from where the quilt lay to the
white house wouldn't be so bad... at night, with candles
burning, singing... sweet dreams George!


-- 
Tom Barrett (TDBear)    tdbear@tandon.com                 voice 805-378-6207
Tandon Corporation      tdbear@p6.f1006.n102.z1.fidonet.org fax 805-529-8895
Sr. HW Design Engineer  "War is Peace, No is Yes, And We're All Free!" 
[The views expressed herein may not be shared by the organization of origin]
From: jakec@cyst.watson.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: RNC: Buchanan's speech
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 16:04:19 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

From article <1992Aug27.151635.19355@tc.cornell.edu>, by shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore):
> In article <1992Aug27.134752.31777@watson.ibm.com>, jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
>>  have you tried
>> squirting Lanacaine in your ears?  it might soothe the itch you
>> feel whenever you attempt to think.
> 
> I'm so proud of our younger generation.  I feel good knowing
> that Jake and his peers will be here to continue in the fine
> tradition that we've established.  Bravo.
> -- 
>        Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Saving our children
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:23:02 EST
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

In article <1992Aug20.032218.28954@plts.uucp>, tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) 
   writes:
> In <1992Aug19.211215.6569@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> 
> 
>>There are a few programs out there. Most big cities have a gay youth
>>group, maybe an underage club that embraces sexual diversity. And
>>there are a few exceptional things like Project 10. Thank god most of
>>the teachers are on our side.
> 
> I don't think that "most big cities have a gay youth group".  It think
> it's spread unevenly.   ...

     Toledo has had one since 10/91, but I just didn't get around to brag about
it til now!
-- 
                                               "Librarian, Leather bound"
Gary Klein,   Business Librarian,  (Univ of Toledo)           * * * * 
PO Box 12650                  Toledo OH  43606-0250            *   *   
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: How evil are the Republicans?
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 14:01:07 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon):
> [to arne:]
> "...And what's this *think*, darling.  I do not think.  I *know*"

darling, it doesn't take a "Cultural Elitist" to *know* that you
don't think; it's quite clear everytime you espouse that thinking
is a vice...

jake, who is now reconsidering his nasty comments to Arne in the
past
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: 2ftrlegend@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Meet me in St. Louis.....
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:33:23 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Hi all...

I'm planning a trip to St. Louis sometime in the next month or two... I'm
just looking for a little advice on some fun hang-outs/bars/clubs/etc.
where I might enjoy myself.  I heard the bar scene is not as good as in
Kansas City (Let's not start a show-me state showdown, now...) so I'm
looking for some notes from someone who's familiar with the area.

Thanks for any help!!!

Shan
2FTRLEGEND@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Last Oregon NCOD??
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:02:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep4.140241.9924
Organization: insert anything here

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>I just today sent off a check for $100 to the Campaign for a
>Hate-Free Oregon; I realize that not everyone is in a position to
>do the same -- but if you can do something for the fight in
>Oregon or the one in Colorado, *please* do so!  Either one would
>be a *HORRIBLE* precedent -- the two together would be insane.

	Wow.  If every gay person in the US donated $50 to "the cause",
it would mean over $500,000,000. (Here I'm assuming only gay people
over 18...).  That's a LOT of $$$, for a not-so-small contribution.

	So, where is it?

	That's $1 a week for a year.  Hell, even I could afford it.
In fact I think I'll start my own piggy bank this week.  And
periodically, I'll empty it and send the $$$ off to something like
CfaHFO or another GBLO*-needy org.  And next year, it'll be more 
than $1/week!

	Thanks Furr.  You gave me an idea.

	Whaddya say folx?   Shold we start a pledge drive?  :-)

BBC
From: pauli@uniblab.asd.sgi.com (Paul Isaacs)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Ball Snaps and Calla Lillies, and a game.
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:42:01 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

So we watched the movie "Stage Door" this weekend.  Great flick.  
Lucille Ball, Katheryn Hepburn, Eve Arden, Ginger Rogers, and more.
All the stars look about 12 years old, and there's lots of catty banter.

But I had two observations/questions.  Then a little game.

[1] I distinctly saw Lucille Ball *snap* at one of the other characters.
    The film was made in 1937, so this seems to be a very early occurence, no?
    Has there been a thread on the origin of the snap?  Did it go back this
    far?  I'm curious if this was a common thing in the thirties.

    (Context of the snap:  The women all live in an actresses boarding house
     in NYC, and one of the residents is a rather dim-witted girl from 
     Louisiana.  After she says something particularly stupid, Lucy says to
     her, "Shake your head back and forth."  
     "But, why?"
     "Just do it."
     [dim-wit shakes head]
     Lucy says, "Just like I thought. It rattles."
     Then Lucy gives her a forward-velocity snap skimming by the left side
     of dim-wit's face.  We played back the tape numerous times, and
     Lucy definitely had on the right kind of face for making a modern-day,
     read-you-up-and-down snap.)

[2] In the film, Katheryn Hepburn gets a part in a play (called something
    like "Enchanted April") and her first line on stage is "The calla
    lillies are in bloom again. I wore them on my wedding day..."
    Now, this line is from "Long Days Journey into Night," isn't it?
    Well, that film was made long after "Stage Door," so I'm a little
    confused about chronology. I can't believe Tenessee Williams would
    lift a line from "Stage Door," so is it the other way around?  And
    is it just coincidence that Katheryn Hepburn was later to get that
    same line in "Long Days Journey"?


A Game
------
    Speaking of actors having the same lines twice in different films, can
    anyone think of other examples?  I know that Doris Day sang "Que sera
    sera," with her little boy in "The Man who Knew Too Much," and this 
    was a reference to her previous work.

    Also, apparently Harrison Ford tastes some coffee in "Witness" and delivers
    a line about how good the coffee is, which is stolen from a previous 
    performance on a coffee commercial.

Any others?
Audience?

pauli.
--
      "[the Iowa equal rights amendment for women is part of a feminist agenda
       that is] a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages 
       women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft,
       destroy capitalism and become lesbians"  - Pat Robertson
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: boobs
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:37:39 GMT

shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
: In article <1992Aug31.183240.1543@PacBell.COM>, rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
: > Perhaps it's because he writes so much pap...
: 
: You're really determined to milk this one, eh?
: -- 
: "I would promptly inform any homosexual who would dare to proposition
: me that my preference is fisting."  -- Theodore A. Kaldis
: 
:        Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu


Stop! Stop! This thread is areolful! 


Kathy
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (Cornell Kinderknecht)
Subject: Re: Garth Brooks on "Freedom of Choice"
Reply-To: cornell@syl.dl.nec.com
Organization: not very organized
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:50:55 GMT

jontom@HQ.Ileaf.COM (J.T. Kittredge) writes:

>Sorry if this has already been commented on.

>This morning I read an article in the _New York Times_ (2 September
>1992, page C13) on the country singer Garth Brooks. The gist of the
>article is how Mr. Brooks' spectacular success is affecting his
>carreer. ("Garth Brooks is the record industry's equivalent of a
>900-pound gorilla, in a position to do whatever he wants whenever he
>wants to do it.")

...[Garth Brooks' open-minded comments deleted]

>I was particularly heartened that a pop idol went out of his way to
>give this message.

It's also good to see someone from midwest USA demonstrating that
people from are not "un-enlightened" like many motss-type (and
others) seem to think people from midwestern states are.
From: joelp@cs.man.ac.uk (Joel Parthemore || Pharos Project)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Challenging Gender Roles (was 2 straight 2 B gay)
Keywords: sex, gender, dogma, gay rights
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:27:42 GMT

smorine@nyx.cs.du.edu (Suzanne Morine) writes:

....

>...the existence of homosexuality
>makes people look at sex, and ultimately, gender roles.  These just
>happen to be subjects that are held somewhat in awe by Americans and
>some others.  It's as if these subjects are sacred, mysterious, things
>that we can't start to understand, powerful things that it's better to
>just not look at....

....and....

>...Then, when sex
>and gender roles are *not* held in awe, gay people will draw no very
>special notice or threat, and neither would people who cross the lines
>of gender roles in the other ways; there would be no sizable and serious
>gender roles - except as antiquated notions...

Well, hmm, I think sex *should* be held in awe.  I think it is held in awe for
good reason:  the drives behind it seem central to our definition of human.
Also I think sex will always be for me something mysterious:  an act which in
its essence transcends any rational understanding, in its mundaneness promises
still sudden surprise.

The first time I had sex with a man was one of the awe-inspiring (and scary,
'cause I didn't know what the future held) experiences of my life.

What I don't understand is why the sacred must be held untouchable, why the
powerful must be unapproachable, why we must not even try to understand that
which is ultimately beyond understanding.  People seem to do the same thing
with God all the time.

I'm not sure gender roles are entirely a bad thing either: once they stop
being prescriptive and become descriptive, once they become things we can
define, play around with, redefine, rather than having them defining us.

A greater respect for the mystery of sex and identity might do us all some
good.  People can be too sure of their understanding of them.

I liked your article.

Joel,
      listening to Peter mangle his Smalltalk program
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: Beyond GAY and LESBIAN
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 04:32:16 GMT

grady@btr.BTR.COM (Grady Ward  grady@btr.com) writes:

>Kelley Miller (ae642@yfn.ysu.edu ) writes:                 

>>"Guess now we're gonna have to start a group called soc.atmahwb*
>>*Anything That Moves And Has Warm Blood
>>(sigh) "

>More than that.  Omnisexuals don't require movement, warmth,
>or blood; although I admit a steaming compost heap under the
>baleful starry sky has a certain attraction over the ever-handy
>traffic pylon...

Priceless--best reply yet!  Thanks for a good, long laugh...

--Brent
From: rickc@agora.rain.com (Rick Coates)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:35:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Open Communications Forum

vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:

>In <1992Aug30.164606.28201@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

...

>>So you'll have to do better than you have to divorce the
>>association between your prejudices and Sarver's, I think.
>>And "I don't like <x>" isn't going to cut it in the
>>overwhelming majority of cases.

>And you'll have to do better to convince me that this isn't an attempt to
>control what people think.  I've seen nothing here to convince me that you
>aren't simply calling "prejudice" a dislike of mine with which you don't
>agree.

Part of what I see Jess stating is that *some* tastes are especially
suspicious, and need to be looked at very carefully.

I would agree with Jess that race, gender, sexual orientation, and
gender stereotype preferences pretty clearly fall into the category
requiring special attention.

Others (gustatory preferences, for example) are less apt to be
a problem (I could mention vegetarians and their opposite, but I
don't want to get too sidetracked).

Rick
(hoping that this can steer clear of too many personal attacks)
rickc@agora.rain.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: soc.motss statistics for August 1992
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:54:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.145429.22803@osf.org> coren@osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>In article <1992Sep03.003526.19144@microsoft.com>,
>georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes, wrily:
>> 
>> Or Wreilly...
>
>Oh, rielly?

No. its "O o o o oooooohhhh! Reilly!"

Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ceci@ide.com (Lou Ceci)
Subject: Re: Commonalities: Years Since Birth vs. Years Since Joining Community
Summary: Coming out = born again 
Keywords: coming out
Organization: Interactive Development Environments, SF
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:18:13 GMT

I found coming out to be very much like re-setting your emotional
maturity clock back to about 16 years old.  I had to learn how to
flirt (easy), how to ask for a date (harder), and how to say "no"
(still haven't mastered that one yet).

--Lou (soon to 33 + 9 years old)
From: rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Texas
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:09:27 GMT
Organization: New York University

In article <1992Sep3.061511.11935@news.Hawaii.Edu> johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:
>From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
>Subject: Re: Texas
>Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 06:15:11 GMT

>In article <la83b4INNo1a@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep1.072645.9298@reed.edu> 
>>nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>>
>>> Did you all take Texas
>>> history in eighth grade, like we did? 
>>
>>No, we got to learn all about Father Junipero Serra, and the
>>missions, and Pio Pico, and wickiups, and the Yang-Na and Chumash
>>Indians, and acorns, and metates and manos, and the Gold Rush,
>>and grizzly bears, and stuff like that.  Fun stuff.  Stuff I
>>think about *every* *single* *day* of my life.

>What, not even a single year devoted entirely to the life and times of
>Ethan Allen and the Green Mountain Boys?  What a wasted education.

When I was in 4th grade (a very long time ago) we spent the entire year 
studying New York City history; there was simply no time to squeeze in 
anything about the rest of the state, which, as every good New Yorker 
knows, simply does not exist.  There was then one year devoted to the U.S. 
and finally another year for the rest of the world (which in those days 
meant Europe).  

Emily 
(with apologies for continuing a thread which is of little or no 
motss interest and should probably have been left to expire quiety)
From: schiles@valentine.us.oracle.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay names
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:37:27 GMT
Reply-To: schiles@valentine.us.oracle.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Aug21.185518.6184@auto-trol.com>, katbea@auto-trol.com
(Kathy Beatty) writes:
|>In the Lesbian Community (tm) here, Jan seems to be *the* dyke name.
|
And here I am --  butch with a name like Mary Suzanne  :)

But I've always liked a little contrast here and there in my life.
    
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415-506-6194				Oracle Corporation
		      Honor Diversity
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From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:41:02 GMT
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center

In article <71956@apple.Apple.COM>, mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> What are you squaking about?
 
> About an unemployment rate of 8 percent?  No.
> About an out of control Federal deficit? No.
> About a New World Order that isn't?  No.
> About a crumbling economic infrastructure? No.
> About the sorry state of the American educational system?  No.
> About the Race Riots? No.
> About unprecedented voter disgust?  No.

[ ... ]

> But what are you squaking about?
> "Family Values"

Pardon me, dear, but it's the Republicans who have been 
pushing the issue, loudly proclaiming that they've got
'em and the rest of us don't.  Or perhaps you didn't
watch the conventions.

And if you have any genuine concern for the issues you
listed, you might consider from whence the problems come.
I care about all these things, which is why I'm holding
my nose and voting for Bill.
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Insults
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:18:40 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <71676@apple.Apple.COM> mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew
Melmon) writes:

>I don't call the shots

A tiny benefit, but a benefit nonetheless.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: Re: Guess my age and win a valuable prize!
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 07:36:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.220407.13052@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>Now there's *just* the ploy for me!  When people ask my age,
>I'll say: "Oh, I'm 27 (pause for disbelief to register), but
>I've done nothing but sex, drugs, and rock n' roll since I
>was 5 and I *know* I look like death warmed over, so go
>easy, OK?"

Reminds me of one of my favorite bits from "The Definitive Biography of
P.D.Q. Bach" by Prof. Peter Schickele.  It's a picture of the professor
watching a *very* old woman play the piano, with the caption

  The only fully established living descendant of P.D.Q. found
  by the author was Brunhilde Bach, known to her friends as
  "Bebe."  Far from being ashamed of her ancestry, "Bebe" Bach
  actually modeled her life upon that of P.D.Q.; she drank and
  ate and played the piano exactly as he had two centuries
  earlier.  Unfortunately she did not inherit his constitution, and
  shortly after this photograph was taken she died at the age of
  twenty-nine.

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

Sir Egbert offered to show them his famous sofa.  Alice felt a shudder of
nameless apprehension.
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: I'm ready for my closeup, Mr. Archiver
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:00:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.42042
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <l9qa6bINN4o6@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.182800.1202@spdcc.com> 
>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>> Arne looks pretty butch to me.
>
>I *am* pretty butch, too.  Grrrrrr.  <Flex, flex, flex>
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Arne!  I didn't know that you could wiggle your ears.  I
find that to be, you know, just *so* *butch*.

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: practicing roles
Date: 23 Aug 92 16:34:04 GMT

amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>and as some kind of social scientist, i'm astonished that anyone
>thinks that behavior just "comes with the territory", whatever the
>territory is.  

But Arnold, it just happened to me. Really. The voice, the moves, the
style, the vocab, the hands, the everything that communicates that FJ
is very gay-identified.

Believe me, I was never in an enviroment where I got reinforcing
feedback, quite the contrary. But every time I hold myself in, I feel
very, very cramped, and it was very, very tireing to hide when I was in
an enviroment where I could only take heat for it. And there was no-one
there to show me or reinforce it.
								FJ!!