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From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Thanks
Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 13:41:18 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <1992Oct3.211117.28405@newstand.syr.edu> pkappess@erc.cat.syr.edu writes:

 > But I enjoy the atmosphere here too. There's just so much love and sharing
 > around here ... as if we had our own circle! That's important to me, since

So do I. Yes there is ... it is. Me too.

A lovely place to be.

Gil

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PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: INTODUCTION
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:30:33 GMT

In article <2AC7304C.19572@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>In article <1992Sep27.211719.27940@ncsu.edu> blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN) writes:
>>
>>In article <0096119F.56E7C320@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>, uphrrmk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>>
>>|>      A delight to meet you! Ren & Stimpy, Anyone?
>>
>>"What'll we do 'till *then*?"
>>"You can play with your Magic Nose Goblins."
>>
>>HAPPY HAPPY
>>
>>JOY JOY
>
>And don't forget your Happy Helmet!!
>
>Blessings,
>Janis
>
>P.S.:  NO!!!!! You can't have my ice cream sandwich!  I've had it since
>I was a CHILD!!!!!!

And don't push that button. The SHIN-NEY BUT-TON!!!

More Powdered Toast, anyone?

Bb,

Corun


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From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: another poem
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 07:26:48 EDT
Reply-To: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:
>
> Hell, I just follow the recipe on the package that the Nestles chocola
> chips come in. That's the one I grew up with and IMHCCEO it's the best
> Of course mom always had to make up a double batch just to be able to
> actually *bake* one full batch thanks to my brother and I raiding the
> mixing bowl. Yum! I love chocolate chip cookie dough.
>
> "I get the bowl!"
> "You got the bowl last time!"
> "You can have the beaters."
> "MOM!!!" usually in unison.
>
chocolate chip cookie dough - food of the GODS!  YEAH!  *huge grin*

coincidentally, i'm going to boston tomorrow, and i am making a double
batch of chocolate chip cookies to take along (a very good way for me
to find out if my host is reading my posts *grin*).

i prefer the dough BEFORE the flour and chips are added.  in my house,
it was officially called "goop" and was heartily devoured by one and
all.  my mom's cookies were always a little stiff due to a lack of
shortening *grin*  and muffin batter is almost as good.  i was once
making eggnog muffins and my husband and i (i was not yet divorced at
the time) killed the entire bowl of batter before any of it could hit
the oven.

anybody out there discover ben & jerry's chocolate chip cookie dough
ice cream?  this is DEFINITELY a sacrament in my religion!

and now that i'm a grownup and do my own cooking, i always ALWAYS get
the bowl!  the hell with that good mom shit - katy can learn to cook
soon enough, if she wants bowl-licking priveleges!  *grin*

e-hugs to all, even hulda and ymir.  i'm in a great mood this morning.
B)

                                        -ailsa

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                    ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com
Desire.  The weight of.  The weight of our              ________
desire.  Then laugh, cry, but laugh             Silence \      / Action
more than you cry, and when you hold               =     \    /    =
the world in your hands, love Her.               Death    \  /    Life
                     - Alma Luz Villanueva                 \/
From: pierson@kukri.mps.mlo.dec.com (dan pierson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Youthful experiences
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:29:09 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


	Well, have to agree as far as I'm concerned.  Skinny, weird,
totally uninterested in sports and probably the brightest kid in
school through high school.  Always being told I wasn't living up to
my potential.  Almost never interested in the same things as "everyone
else" and completely unwilling to hide it.  Very idealistic with
politics that ran all over the spectrum (and finally settled to some
sort of pragmatic anarchist who very regretfully believes that the
last decade+ proves that unrestrained corporations can be trusted to
ruin our Mother -- rats looks like one area where government *is* the
lesser of two evils).

	My family moved just before my 10th grade year, partly to get
me into a high school with different kids.  It helped some.  Got into
drama; was a lousy actor but a pretty good lighting director and stage
electrician.  My first year I looked at the senior award for most
unconventional and thought "gee, I wish I could be unconventional
_just like that_" (gag!).  By senior year, it looked like I was a
shoe-in for the award but they didn't give it that year; I was a teeny
bit unpopular as the leading school radical "hippy"...

	Made a lot of mistakes; still trying to get over much of it --
still trying to get in touch with my real feelings about me.  Still
have problems with a lack of self discipline; it's easy to blame that
on it being so easy to coast through school but I still responsible
for it and have to deal with it.

	One difference from many here -- my parents have generally
been sympathetic to my evolving religious beliefs.  Mother was an
active Theosophist when younger.  Once asked why they raised me as an
Xtian: "I thought you should be familiar with the dominant religion of
the country you live in."

Blessings,

        dan
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From: rallen@netcom.com (Robert W. Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: a nice experience last night
Date: 2 Oct 92 23:37:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

>birthdate 11/18/63 one somethign in the afternoon, wilmington
>delaware, aries rising, moon, mercury, venus, mars in sagittarius (a
>good chart for having a bad temper *grin*)

>so, what's everybody else's?  i'd been meaning to ask...

12/19/56, 2:40 am, Pittsburgh PA.

Is someone collecting these?
--
Rob Allen
rallen@netcom.com
From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: New Janis Name
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:21:50 GMT
Reply-To: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Organization: Ailanthus Project

cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:

> In article <29SEP199217552510@rosie.uh.edu> lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy
> >New name for Janis
> >
> >alt.pagan.big.mama
> >
> >8-)
> >
> >Tammy
>
> Howzabout alt.pagan.witch.bitch?  Or just alt.pagan.bitch?
>
no, that's the new newsgroup!  to which you can post only by
invitation!  *grin*

                                   -ailsa

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                    ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com
Desire.  The weight of.  The weight of our              ________
desire.  Then laugh, cry, but laugh             Silence \      / Action
more than you cry, and when you hold               =     \    /    =
the world in your hands, love Her.               Death    \  /    Life
                     - Alma Luz Villanueva                 \/
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: address for PACT
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:14:00 GMT

Does anybody have the address for the Pagan Alliance of Central Texas?

Tammy
From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: The Serpent
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:36:44 GMT
	<Eenumly00iV3E5A5hQ@andrew.cmu.edu>
Organization: what'll we all do to be famous and dandy, just like Amos and Andy?

In article <Eenumly00iV3E5A5hQ@andrew.cmu.edu> 
kendrick+@CMU.EDU (Kendrick Kerwin Chua) writes:
>Most are going to tell you that the serpent myth originated in China,
>with the dragons and Feng Shui stuff.  However, I believe that the
>serpent originated in Mespotamia, with the legend of Tiamat.

There are two different serpents, an Eastern one and a Western one. In the
West, one slays their serpent, in the East, one worships their serpent. It is
a fundamental cultural difference. Can you see the metaphors? Do you slay
or worship your serpents (dragons)? Do you fight your self or are you at
peace with your self?
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Who do you kneel to when you pray?
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 01:42:23 GMT

In article <19vnegINN4oa@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary) writes:
>
>It's not always the Christian way to fear one's deity, Corun.... though
>I will admit it does seem, sadly, common. 

You're right of course. I shouldn't have implied that all Christians fear
their god. However when you come from a family that's half Jewish, and you're
baptised and confirmed, and you spend the first five years of school in a
Missouri Synod Lutheran church, you grow up with alot of fear. Not to mention
bigotry and anti-semitism you don't understand. This fear is imposed on a 
young mind by people who, at least early on in my youth, taught that god
should be feared. Hell and damnation were more prominant than the love and
kindness that was later taught by the Christ. And there are still people 
out there that will preach love on one hand and fear on the other. I didn't
mean to impugn your religious sincerity.

>Of course, I'd probably be burnt
>at the stake anyway- I'm hardly what you'd call a typical Catholic- but I
>always pictured God as more along the lines of Roman law than British law.
>According to the good Jebbies at Fordham (I think; me mum told me this when
>she was getting her master's there), British law is generally an ideal code
>of behavior. This is how you should be, the  absolute shining ideal, and if
>you get it wrong you will be punished severely. Roman law was explained as
>being more along the lines of, This is how we'd like you to act, or
>how we think you're likely to act; if you mess up, it's all right, you're 
>human. Just try not to screw up again, okay?

That's an interesting parallel. It seems that alot of Christian religions
tend to go in for that sort of brow beating, as if it was the only way to
get people to lighten up on each other. Bloody fear tactics. BTW, what are
Jebbies?

>'Course, I was raised in a more or less Italian family. Kinda biased my view
>of the situation. I'm not especially afraid of what I view as God, but then,
>it's hard to be scared of someone who seems more or less like your favorite
>grandfather, or your mother.

Is this attitude a function of Roman Catholicism or the way your family
raised you? It's kinda nice, as long as you weren't always scared of mom
or grand dad. It's certainly better to look on one's deity as benevolent,
but at the same time not overlooking the side that can't be that way. They
tend to go hand in hand, but you can see the down side without fear, and
that's the important point that is often missed.

Bb,

Corun


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From: SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:20:39 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

One of the tests for origins here is whether Wiccans believe that everyone
reincarnates, or only Witches (by special favor of the Goddess).  If the
former, then we may be dealing with influence from Eastern religions.  If
the latter, then the only published source known to me is a statement in
one of Charles Leland's writings on the Italian witches of Tuscany (maybe
his _Etruscan Roman Remains_?), and one is dealing either with a borrowing
from leland or with a parallel tradition.  Gardner hints at the latter, and
Kelly says it is standard Wiccan (Gardnerian?) doctrine, but others with
whom I've checked say they believe the former.  What's the consensus on this
net?  -- Robert

Robert Mathiesen, Brown University, SL500000@BROWNVM
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: bbooth@bnr.ca (Bradley Booth)
Subject: Re: a nice experience last night
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:13:54 GMT


Janis wrote:
> ailsa wrote:
> >birthdate 11/18/63 one somethign in the afternoon, wilmington
> >delaware, aries rising, moon, mercury, venus, mars in sagittarius (a
> >good chart for having a bad temper *grin*)
> 
> >so, what's everybody else's?  i'd been meaning to ask...
> 
> Well, hell -- everyone else is replying.  March 6, 1966 -- 4:18pm.  All
> I know is that I'm Pisces, but I'm not an astrology believer.

What the heck... June 1, 1964.  I was born at 3:07pm... my sister followed
at 3:22pm.  I'm a Gemini... and for those who don't know, that's the twins.
Cool eh? ;)


Blessings,

    __o     Brad Booth              | "I want you
  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  to know me only as
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  what I believe I am."
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |     ... Fiftyfour-40
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: bes@ddsw1.mcs.com (Bes)
Subject: Re: Sabean Order in Chicago
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:59:08 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago IL
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

>>mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:
: In article <Bv4vKC.Cq9@ddsw1.mcs.com> eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com (Eshin-Fun) writes:
: >mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:
: >: 
: >:  Does anyone have any information on the Sabean Order in Chicago
                                              ^^^^^^
: >: (mentioned in Drawing Down the Moon and here occasionally)? I once saved a
: >: message posted here which mentioned a site where you could use anonymous
: >: uucp to get their journal in postscript format or somesuch. I have
: >: misplaced the saved file but I have seen it posted more than once. Does
: >: anyone have any information on it, the site, or them?
: >
: >see alt.religion.sabaean I'm sure there they would know
:                   ^^^^^^^
:  There is no such newsgroup on my site (which also happens to be a
: regional backbone).<<<

Maybe you are misspelling "Sabaean" note the difference between the way you
spelled it and the way Eshin spelled it.

The Sabaean Order of Chicago has been around at least since 1967. Their
temple has been active since then and their pontifical objective is to
create a research center for the inquiry of sabaean/pagan religions from a 
Sabaean point of view. There doesn't seem much interest in proselytizing or
advertising. Sabaeans claim a "mystery religion" which makes it difficult to
simply philosophise on what it is or is not.

I believe that its roots are found in ancient Mesopotamia but then again, I
cannot speak for the Order. I do know that they enjoy thre distinct groups
within their own singular one. 1: the pontifical class which is housed in
the temple. 2: The initiate class which is independent of the temple though
an indispensible part of it and 3: the Layperson that includes newcomers
that would be interested in their development as well as attaining position
and knowledge to further themselves.

I hope that answered some of your questions.

Bes
 

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: dan@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (daniel.l.weigert)
Subject: Re: a nice experience last night
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:54:50 GMT

September 18th, 1965  Virgo of some sort or another  ;-)

Dan
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From: markbr@radian.uucp (markbr)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Wicca and the SCA
Summary: and not exactly just now, either
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:24:24 GMT
Organization: Radian Cormp.

In article <1992Sep25.201213.1534@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
> donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal) writes:
> : 
> : The SCA is not a club for "dressing up and playing let's pretend". For 
> : those of us who live it, it is "The Dream"(tm). It is an idea that it 
> : just might be possible to take the nobler portions of a bygone age and 
> : make them relevant to our modern world. Yes, it involves dressing up 
> : and pretending to be from "1203 (or whenever)", but that is only the 
> : framework that the Dream is played out within. By freeing ourselves 
> : and becoming another "personae", we enable ourselves to behave 
> : differently than the society that we were raised in expects us to. It 
> : is no longer neccesarry or even desirable to fuck everyone around you 
> : to get ahead. You can be someone without having to lie and cheat. Your 
> : word can mean something, unlike politics. 
> 
> What kingdom are you from? The SCA is getting more and more political
> all the time - unfortunately. It is becoming a life for too many of the
> members, rather than the enjoyable passtime it should be - and was
> designed to be.
> 
> 
> Bill

Re politics, it always *has* been. One of the reasons I fell away from doing
things in Bhakail (East Kingdom) around AS15 (? - 80-81) was due to politics
of the unpleasant kind: several fine people moved away, and the folks left
running the show weren't overly friendly (not exactly hostile: surly was
more like it) to me, and several others; primarily, as far as I could tell,
because we weren't in their little clique, and they couldn't push us around.
And I'd heard tell of the same thing happening for years, in other areas.
So what's new? You play if you like the folks, you take over or find someone
else, or leave, if you don't. Or start your own (like, say, Markland). I
agree that it's not fun, when you've invested time, emotion, & tried
friendship, and you're on the outside (again) because you won't play their
little mind games.

	mark
From: n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (aldridge andrea)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Little Boxes - Authorship
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:10:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Western Washington University

...But the Author was Malvina Reynolds - I have a songbook of hers (somewhere),
and it is credited to her in it.


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From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Subject: Re: Tarot decks and elements
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 22:04:33 GMT

In article <29SEP199207573559@rosie.uh.edu>, lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark 
Blandino) writes:

> In the original tradition that I was taught everything was based on the 
> elements.  Everything had an elemental association.  Now, I have found
> that not all traditions assign the same element to the same magickal
> things.  So I want to hear what elements various people assign to
> the different groups of the tarot (swords, pentacles, clubs, cups).
> and (if your feeling up to it) why you place those assignments to
> them.
> 
> Thanks guys.
> 
> BB
> Tammy

  Hmmm ... well, in _my_ tradition,

  Swords are air and intellect and east
  Pence are earth and body and north
  Wands are fire and will and south
  Cups are water and spirit and west

  Of course, each of these only is what it needs to be within
its own context, and that may change as the cards adapt to
the needs of the reading and the reader.

  It seems really important to keep from framing superstitions
around the tarot -- they'll tell you what's important and what's
not, and these things will change as you and they get to know
each other.

  Goddess -- that really sounds odd to me now that I re-read
it, but yeh, that's the way I feel about them.

  Blessed be, Ciaran.

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  "... hey but I don't care cause sometimes I said sometimes I hear
   my voice and it's been HERE silent all these years" -- TORI AMOS
From: radzy@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lynne Radzykewycz)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech....definition
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:20:01 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

(From Lynne: I'm posting this for Deborah since her 
  post landed in my e-mail box)

-------------------------------------------------------

Hi everyone, I'm trying to post YET AGAIN -- please let me know if
it's successful. Our news server often crashes between messages as
we read them, and I've only made one successful post in six months.
I've been reduced to lurking. They're trying a new server this week, which 
has inspired me to try again.

The continuing debate about women's
self image has been wonderful, thank you all. I had an added spin
on the junior high experience, in that most of the persecution took
place in CHURCH, and my mom refused to believe that it COULD go on
there. We were a military family in a small town where everyone who
wasn't military belonged to a particular ethnic group that had been
born, lived and died in this small town for generations. Calvinism
has never been known for its sympathy to the "other" half of the population,
so there wasn't much incentive to keep the other kids from abusing
"outsiders," especially physically frail girls.

I'm still struggling with my mom's use of the Wrathful God to keep me in
line, which is one reason I think I'm drawn to goddesses rather than
gods.<wry smile> It's pretty heavy stuff to tell a kid who disobeys,
"not only do I hate you when you disobey me, but God does too --
and I'm ALWAYS right, despite what your senses and experience tells you."
Yowee! The posts I've seen from all of you have been awfully similar
to my experiences, but I'm glad to see that others have survived;
I always thought I was the only one who had to endure that kind of thing.
Anyhow, thanks for the debate and support to one who lurks by necessity
and not by choice!

Hazel eyes, five cats ("no sane person has an odd number of cats" -- Sylvia)
--Debbie


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