From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Who's not going to go to Jackson?
Date: 11 Oct 92 13:13:30 GMT
Followup-To: dawson@willard.waffle.atl.ga.us
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

My apologies to the net for getting "picky"...  follow-ups to email, please.

pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt) writes:

> Congratulations. You've just insulted the management of those Class A corps. 
> do believe they knew that the event was going to be in Miami; are you
> suggesting that they were inept in their training/conditioning programs?

If the shoe fits... but really, to call it an insult is a bit much.  Insults
are more to the tune of calling someone an ass.  Not that I'd ever be so crass.

> Perhaps you should make yourself accountable for conditioning of the Class A
> corps for Jackson. Clearly, you know something that the rest of the world doe
> not.

No, I'm not so sure that it is so clear.  However, I do know that I've been
in organizations in which nary a person fainted, and I've been in those that
had some problems with that.  Mostly, the latter groups did not spend hours
upon hours of rehearsal in the most abysmal conditions imaginable, so that
when those situations did present themselves in competetion, fainting and
worse did occur.  I certainly cannot pretend to speak for all the Class A
corps, and neither can you.  Perhaps you know something about Class A corps
that you've not publicly announced here?

> >Speaking of "more than a handful," do you have figures from each of the
> >DCI events as to how many persona fainted in or after their performances?
> >If we're going to think of this as some sort of fair evaluation factor for
> >site selection (not), then we need some objective way of comparing the
> >various sites, right?
> 
> How many is acceptable to you?
> 
> Why don't you set up a tabulation for Jackson? Get a high seat, and watch the
> corps after they cross the finish line. Give us a daily "drop count" for each
> show.

It simply doesn't matter that you count such at a single show.  It is wrong
to say "look at how many persons fainted at Jackson" without being able to
say "look at how many persons fainted at Madison."  It simply is noise, and
extremely unfair.  Perhaps DCI has such figures?  Let's go to the source for
this info...

> >>>>In football, the College Bowls are held in warm-weather sites.  Why? Do
> >>>>you think a Bowl would go over well in Camp Randall in Madison or
> >>>>Buffalo's Stadium? Would people spend their money in January for a nice
> >>>>cold-weather vacation? I think not.
> >>>
> >>>Doesn't seem to bother the good fans in colder climes... witness Green Bay
> >>>Chicago, et al.
> >> 
> >>I'm not familiar with the College Bowls that are held in Green Bay or Chica
> >>Please elaborate.
> >
> >You said, "in football,"  and I elaborated enough already.
> 
> Actually, I said "In football, the College bowls ...." You need to read more
> than two words in my sentences, Willard.

Now, if you're going to set limitations on how I interpret your posts, you
might want to take your replies to email, as that ... well.  Probably few
are interested in "you said, he said" stuff.

> >> Bowl Games are the closest analogy in football to DCI Nationals...the peop
> >> who go to such games are also taking a vacation. And I can ensure you that
> >> there will never be an "Ice Bowl."
> >
> >Validly said, and all probably true.  Except, what about the Winter Olympics
> >What about all the people who just love Winter activities, like skiing?  Are
> >you trying to tell me that vacationers never go to cold, snowy climes for
> >pleasure?
> 
> No, you're still missing the point. People go to the *appropriate* climate fo
> their activities. Fans will not pay money to go see a College Bowl in a
> climate that's going to be freezing in the winter. And I'm not willing to
> spend my $$$ going to see drumcorps in a venue that promises to *still* be
> unbearably hot as midnight approaches on championshiop night.

That's your personal prerogative.  However, your decision on what is unbearable
heat is also rather subjective.  There will be many who will find agreement
with you, and many more who will say "this is just slightly warm."  That is
unavoidable.  You will never be able to please 100% of the population in this
matter.

> The point of this thread was to get a straw poll from people who perenially g
> to championshiops and see how many agreed with this. My prediction is that
> there will be a sub-par crowd for championships and a big jump in attendance
> to POC.

OK.. How many have agreed that Jackson is a totally unreasonable selection?
Anyone counting?  Geeze, I've never been there for band or drum corps action,
so I can't DEFEND Jackson; the only things I've commented on have been the
REASONS for flaming that community, i.e., the climate.

> >That is 100% true.  I'm not impartial, nor are any of the rest of us.
> 
> I'll put some credibility to people who have faithfully attended Nationals
> for year after year.
> 
> >I'm not arguing for argument's sake.  (Well, OK, maybe I am!)
> 
> If that's your attitude, then I declare that you're being an ass in this
> newsgroup and respectfully request that you cut it out.
> 
> >dawson@willard.waffle.atl.ga.us (Willard Dawson)
> 
> --phil

Like hell.  It would appear that your motivation is little different than
my own, as you did post this publicly.  If you're going to call me an ass,
then by all means, feel free to do so.  I would not have posted my own
comments if I did not think that they had some merit on the topic at hand.

Just because I call into question the reasoning behind some comments I've
read here, and just because I enter into these discussions because I do
enjoy discussion (or argument, or debate, or whatever the hell you want to
call it) does not mean that I am out of place.  Indeed, that is EXACTLY
what this forum is intended for.  So, any suggestions to me to quit posting
to this forum will fall on DEAF ears.

-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814