From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Subject: Urban Sindh / CSS
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 19:15:19 GMT

>>Now that there is no more threat of Muhajirs taking away opportunities
>>from the "Sons of The Soil",  lets make Pakistan the land
>>of equal opportunity. This will mean people from Karachi, that is
>>those people who can produce only Karachi's domicile, unlike those who
>>can produce Karachi's domicile and one of Sindh, Panjab, Baluchistan,
>>or Sarhad ( depending on "faa'edaa kidhar say hae!") will be able
>>to compete on all the seats( not 2% khairaati seats) for Government,
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>education institutions, S&T scholarships, Bank loans for business,
>>and military.

>If the reference is to imply that "muhajirs" have only a 2% quota, then
>it is a lie. Quotas are population ratio based... I believe latest census
 	
	Why dont you tell us the actual figure?

>figures are used to approximated population ratios. There isn't anything
>like a quota for "muhajirs". Quotas are decided according to domicile.

Yes, on papers it does not say "muhajirs" quota. But the end result is "muhajir quota"


>Sindhi speaking people who are domiciled in Karachi have a right to compete
>as Karachiites. So do "muhajirs" settled in rural areas. When I said 2%, may

Quota system is wrong to begin with. It supports incompetency.
Sindhi speaking  people of Karachi for sure have right to compete with Karachiites who speak any other language, but here is the problem.  Any Sindhi, Panjabi,
Baloch, or Pathan living in Karachi can produce two domiciles (thanks to
hairaa phairee in Pakistan).  If he or she can get thru using Karachi domicile, fine but if not, then they get domiciles from Rural SIndh, Panjab, N.W.F.P.
or Baluchistan. It is only the people who are not"Sons of the soil" who get
stuck with Karachi domicile.

>be I was over generous. Constitution of Pakistan considers all Indian Muslims
>entering Pakistan after a fixed date in mid 50's (probably in 1954) as 
>illegal immigrants. If one refers to census figures around that time, that

Ever heard of immigration catagories like "Family reunion", "Education based".
Until 1951, who ever could get into Pakistan got the citizenship.
After that Only those were given citizenship who came under the catagories
such as described above. Until 1970, Pakistan Govt. encouraged College
graduate Muslims of post-partition India to come to Pakistan. There was a legal
process to do so.
If you are interested in this, please check the citizenship laws of Pakistan
until 1971. As late as 1981, I saw a posting at Karachi's Passport office on
Shahra-e-Iraq, which described number of ways to be eligible for Pakistani PAssport. One such way was for College Graduate Muslims of Post-Partition India.

Or may be Mr. Jamali is right, and Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan, chief 
nuclear scientist of Pakistan is an illegal immigrant ! [ according to jamali's definition] :-)



>should  give a better idea about the percentage of legal "muhajirs".
>Since population growth rate (other than immigration) is clearly greater
>in rural Sindh, the percentage of "muhajirs" must have declined since 1954.

>I am not very clear about the definition of "household" which appears in
>the census figures Arun Gupta quotes. Percentage of "muhajirs" may be
>different from the percentage of immigrant households. Also, many people
>have reservations about that particular census. In any case, the details
>regarding percentage of "muhajirs" in civil service and army do indicate
>that "muhajirs" have been getting much more than even the non-"muhajir"
>people of Sindh. 

So what is wrong with that? But you know, we are so used to the quota system,
that nothing like competency or education makes sense.


>Someone mentioned earlier that Mr. Jinnah was an immigrant. This is also
>incorrect. He was from Karachi... and it just happens to be the case that
>Karachi has been a part of Sindh since centuries.. if not milleniums. There
>are theories contesting Mr. Jinnah's being from Karachi. Many people claim
>that there is sufficient evidence to prove that he was from a smaller town
>in Sindh. In any case he was not am immigrant.... interestingly, his 
>lack of knowledge about Urdu is well known.

Mr Jinnah was born in Sindh to Gujrati parents. His  parents were immigrant.
Some people say that he was born in Jharak, Sindh. Official history
of Paksitan says that he was born in Karachi, Sind.
Just like Mr. Jamali is accepting that Mr. Jinnah was not an immigrant but
was from Sindh, one day he will figure out that the sons and daughters
of immigrants into Pakistan after 1947 are not immigrants. They are Pakistanis.
Let us know Mr. Jamali when you have made that discovery.
And who claimed that Jinnah was an Ahle-zaban and a famous sha'er of Urdu.

>Nadeem

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland.


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