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                             THE HANDICAP DIGEST

                                 Issue # 2924

                        Thursday, September 03, 1992

Today's Topics:


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                             Re: ON SIGNING....
                          Re: BRS: INVASION OF PRIV
                               On Signing....
                             Re: On Signing....
                               Re: Cued Speech
                                Re: New User
                                    Pepsi
                            Purpose of this Echo
                          Re: PURPOSE OF THIS ECHO
                                Interpreters


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Subject: Re: ON SIGNING....
From: Leti.Labell@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Leti Labell)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/421 - Twilight Clone Mac, Rockville MD


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

We often have interpreters at meetings at work.  Do sign
interpreters sign in SEE, or do they sign in ASL?

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Subject: Re: BRS: INVASION OF PRIV
From: Leti.Labell@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Leti Labell)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/421 - Twilight Clone Mac, Rockville MD


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 > Sure they do, but what if the calls are monitored by BOSSES. WHO can
 > fire them if THEY decide to *make copies of the calls for research
 > reasons*...????

Hughes, if ANYONE breaches privacy, whether it's a boss or an
operator, they are gone, fired, kaput.  This goes for privacy on
company records, nonpublished numbers, etc. in addition to info on
monitored calls.

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Subject: On Signing....
From: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Stalnaker)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/2120 - Fingers Talk, Irving TX


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 CP> you know, for some reason, i was just thinking that the european hearing
 CP> community has no trouble learning the local "official" language first
 CP> (whatever that might be, from romanian to polish to french to italian to
 CP> welsh to danish, etc), and a VERY high percentage of that population write
 CP> and speak fluent english as a second language, learning
 CP> it in our equivalent
 CP> of grade and high school...

 CP> odd that you believe american deaf cannot do the same...

Caren, it is not so much that I believe this - it is absolutely true that
many deaf people who only use ASL do NOT comprehend the English language
and thus write in ASL.  I've seen it happen and I see it still happening
today.  I have chatted with many of them on the TT as well as on the
CPU and they type like they are conversing in ASL.

Having lived in Europe for a number of years, I'm aware of how well
the Europeans read, write and speak English.  It is the International
Language, however, the Europeans start learning English at a very
young age and it continues onto higher education.

Perhaps we should put the blame on deaf education in the US - on
the teachers who are not fully qualified - there seems to be more
of them who are not qualified than there are qualified teaching
Deaf Education.  I'm not too flavorable of Deaf Education as
I feel mainstreaming works better and the more deaf children
are around their hearing counterparts, the more they learn and
vice versa.  In several states certain schools are devoting
more time to mainstreaming, doing away with Deaf Education
and setting aside an hour a day for specialized training such
as speech therapy and speechreading.  Many of the deaf children
are starting these classes at pre-school age, i.e. 3 years of age,
and these programs are very successful.  There are several of such
schools in Texas (here in DFW) as well as in Louisiana and several
other states.  Somewhere, English has to become the primary language
so that deaf children can become proficient at reading and writing
English.  It is really needed when they become grown and go out
to live independent lives.  Let's face it, the hearing world
is NOT going to learn ASL, sure there will be a few but the
overall general consensus is not going to do it.

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Subject: Re: On Signing....
From: Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jack O'keeffe)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/26 - SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 AS> Perhaps we should put the blame on deaf education in the US - on
 AS> the teachers who are not fully qualified - there seems to be
 AS> more of them who are not qualified than there are qualified
 AS> teaching Deaf Education.

Annie, I once met a HoH person who had applied for a clerical
position at a prestigeous deaf school.  She was told that no
clerical positions were open, but was offered a job as a teacher.
Upon protesting that she had no teaching credentials, she
was told "That doesn't matter, it's just babysitting anyhow."

And we wonder why some have difficulty with English. (arghhhh)

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Subject: Re: Cued Speech
From: Jack.O'keeffe@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Jack O'keeffe)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/26 - SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 EP> I'd like to! Do you know of any available texts on the subject
 EP> or the technique? (preferably both)

Contact:  National Information Center on Deafness
          Gallaudet University
          800 Florida Ave. NE
          Washington  DC  20002-3695
          (202)651-5051 v; (202)651-5052 tt; (202)651-5054 fax.

Ask for their catalog of publications..  Or contact the Gallaudet
Bookstore (same address).

Good luck.

Jack.

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Subject: Re: New User
From: Mary.Thomas@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org (Mary Thomas)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3602/24 - ADAnet One (tm) Net, Pinson AL


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Hi Jack -- good to hear from you and glad to tell you first hand about
my implant -  I just would be lost without it - in some ways - but then
I can always adjust if the need ever arises --- nothing is really lost
in that area - but you learn to accept it - come what may -  The only
thing about long distance overseas calls  ---- welll lll that expense
(G)  -- but it sure would be fun  wouldn't it --- to think we could do
such a thing as all these other folks do --- Will make some more long
distance calls this weekend and have fun doing it --- so take care keep
busy - and hope to hear from you again -
CUL
/\/\ary

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Subject: Pepsi
From: Peter.Deafy.Haskins@f37.n342.z1.fidonet.org (Peter "Deafy" Haskins)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:342/37 - Deafy's First Post , Stony Plain Alta


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Would like to create  Pen Pal system with those who have Hearing
Ear Dogs.

We do have one . His name is  Pepsi  a Shetland Sheepdog and we
received him on March 17th .. Since then he is doing his errands
very good  and  is ready for Certificating  . Trish Taylor Pepsi's
trainer came in yesterday to certify him . He did  all the chores
and  passed with flying  high colors. She  gave us  the national
ID  collar and  leash printed on the collar and leash that says
"Hearing Ear Dogs of Canada" and also gave us three ID photo
Cards   to show the  public that Pepsi  is now a offical Guide
Dog   One contains  a picture  of Pepsi, other of my picture as a
owner and the third  one a picture of Marie my wife  as another
owner.

Does it mean it is  all over .. No No  we must practice with him
daily such as obedence , make  sure  he is  up to  date. and Trish
will be  back in three months  to make sure Pepsi is not
overweight. His normal weigh was 36 but at present he weight 42
lbs. So we have to cut down  the dose of his meals daily until he
reach back to  36 lbs.

Any  one of  you  that have the hearing ear dog , pls  keep us up
todate and we would like to exchange  info ..

Regards,
Peter "Deafy" Haskins
Deafy's First Post Office

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Subject: Purpose of this Echo
From: Felix.Game@f125.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Felix Game)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:163/125 - FedNet Public Acces, Ottawa ON


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 On 08-25-92 ANN STALNAKER wrote...

 AS> Hi Felix and may I welcome you to SilentTalk!
        Thank you for the welcome.

 AS> Have you thought about perhaps it is OUR place to educate others
 AS> about hearing impairment?  Instead of cutting the medical profession
 AS> down, why not take a little time and talk to some of them about
 AS> yourself?  Of course, no two people are alike but I've found that
 AS> many physicians are actually interested and usually take the time
 AS> to listen to one when they tell them about their hearing loss.

        I was not aware that I had "cut down" the medical profession.
        I may have said that the ones I had to deal with did not want
        to listen to what I had to say. Those specific specialists I
        will cut down, for they failed in an important test of
        professionalism. If I was guilty of any generalization at all
        it would have been that I resent being prevented from
        dealing with the manufacturers of hearing aids directly. I
        resent this the same way I resent being prevented from
        dealing with a dental lab directly. The professions forcing
        themselves between me and the suppliers simply to ensure their
        continued livelihood at my expense will always be an irritant
        for me. I do not consider it necessary to have someone else
        confirm for me that I can hear better with a specific aid. I
        can try one out all by myself, and keep down the cost.

 AS> the medical profession is often under the impression that a lot
 AS> of assistive devices work for everyone.  This is not the case!

        So, does this mean that we are "in good hands"?

... OFFLINE 1.32
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Subject: Re: PURPOSE OF THIS ECHO
From: Felix.Game@f125.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Felix Game)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:163/125 - FedNet Public Acces, Ottawa ON


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 On 08-25-92 JACK O'KEEFFE wrote...

 JO> Have you tried ALDs (Assistive Listening Devices)?  There are at
 JO> least four technologies available to get the sound-of-interest
 JO> from the source to your ear (or hearing aid) with relative
 JO> immunity from extraneous noise pollution.
        No, Jack, I have not tried ALS, and don't know much about
        them. Will have to educate myself, although my motivation is
        much diminished since I have taken early retirement (mostly to
        get away from the hearing-related stresses).

 JO> I certainly agree with you there.  The technology exists NOW.
 JO> Hearing aids are the only remaining fragment of the audio
 JO> amplification industry that stubbornly clings to obsolete
 JO> analog systems.  Everything else has long since gone DIGITAL.
 JO>
 JO> The one serious attempt to market a true DSP hearing aid
 JO> (Nicolet's "Phoenix") was defeated IMHO by the audiologists
 JO> and hearing aid dealers who were unwilling to invest a few
 JO> of THEIR $$ in the equipment necessary to fit it.

        You are getting close to why I asked the question in the first
        place (see reference line above). I believe that this area is
        neglected strictly for economic reasons (not a large enough
        chunk of their total revenue). And I had hoped that there may
        be some activists with political savvy on the echo who could
        steer the rest of us into becoming a cohesive lobby to be
        taken seriously. I do not have ANY political savvy, so don't
        even ask where to lobby for what. It just seems that if we
        can save the whale, and the seal pups, and manipulate everyone
        into wearing seatbelts and composting their own garbage, we should b
        way to make the hearing aid manufacturers look bad
        if they do not earmark a respectable percentage of their R&D
        budgets for the production of state-of-the-art hearing aids.
        Perhaps we should whisper into the ear of a Japanese
        industrialist?

 JO> They've got a good racket going.  Taking about $20 worth of
 JO> electronic components - packaging them compactly - and selling
 JO> them for more than the price of pure gold!  Quite a racket,
 JO> as long as us "suckers" don't wise up ;-)
        And I bet they have a good enough lobby that if our Japanese
        friend comes up with a terrific product, they can have a tariff
        imposed on its import "to protect the struggling domestic
        industry". And if your figures are anywhere close, there is a
        bigger mark-up on aids then there is on booze. The extra
        $400-500 is doled out amongst the Ear Nose and Throat guy, the
        audiologist, and the "authorized dispenser. I would like to
        see that food chain shortened a bit. If there has to be one
        (1) "professional" between me and the manufacturer to make
        sure I don't get careless and blow myself up with my
        incorrectly selected aid, then let it be ONE (1). I don't want
        three (3) mouths to feed.

        Was nice 'hearing' from you :)

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Subject: Interpreters
From: Morgan.Lefae@f6.n290.z1.fidonet.org (Morgan Lefae)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:290/6 - Karma *VS* Dogma, Des Moines IA


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

Hmmm..couldn't tell you.  If the interpreter is hired for a
specific person, I'd assuem they'd sign in whatever that person
knows.  For large group interpreting...the only time I saw that (in
a church) it was mroe like ASL but not strictly.  I think the two
are kind of hybridizing...

One of the interpreters in this echo could give you a more precise
answer....

Morgan

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