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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Suggestion for new AB20 equivalents
From: dgold@basso.actrix.gen.nz (Dale Gold)
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:21:11 PST
Organization: New Zealand Symphony Orchestra

Quoted from <1992Apr6.002740.8749@newshost.anu.edu.au> by markus@makara.mso.anu.edu.au (Markus Buchhorn):
> A BIG heartfelt THANK YOU to Tad for a great job of
> setting up ab20 and supporting it well. 

I'd like to second that.  I know it was a lot of work to maintain, and
it was great while it lasted.  Many thanks to Tad and all the others who
made it possible so successful.
 
> Might I suggest that ftp archive sites decide on what sort of software
> they will archive, rather than trying to emulate/mirror ab20's monolithic
> archive - [...] we could have
>
> (i) A Fish disk and associated software (aquarium, FishCon \etal) site
> (ii) A Demo site - Euro, other, commercial, etc., and Sound samples ?
> (iii) A utilities site - all of those neat little programs 
> (iv) A Game site / Entertainment software
> (v) An applications site - things that are large programs for various
>      purposes, as opposed to smaller CLI based programs.

I think that's a great idea if it can be arranged.

> What about an incoming/amiga site ? Each site can choose to have
> an incoming area. If ab20's stuff is split into dedicated
> archives, and each maintainer knows about the others, (s)he can move
> stuff as well. 

One site for *all* incoming stuff could be a very good idea. If one 
central site for uploading the things that would have gone to ab20 
could be created, with a directory for each of the areas you suggest, 
then it should be very easy for each of the sub-sites to distribute new
stuff in their areas, and People-in-a-Hurry or sites that want to monitor
everything should be in pretty good shape, too.  Assuming that this 
could be set up, the Incoming archive could save disk-strain by deleting
files every week or two knowing that they would be available on the
sub-sites by then.

Dale
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From: exukev@exu.ericsson.se (Kevin Autrey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.games
Subject: PalCon for 2.0?
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:51:57 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems

Does there exist a program that allows my Amiga 3000 to boot up in PAL
mode under 2.0?

I just bought Pinball Dreams (this is a VERY good Pinball game - I
have never bought a game for my computer before, but after seeing this
game in the store...).  In order to see all of the screen though, you
have to run a program called PALCON, which sets up PAL mode the next
time you boot up (Pinball Dreams requires you to boot off of the game
disk).  The PAL mode installed STAYS installed under 1.3, but not
under 2.0.  What I'm looking for is a program similar to PALCON which
will allow me to boot up in PAL mode under 2.0.

Thanks

Kevin
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\/ Kevin Autrey / Wk: exukev.ericsson.se / Hm: kevin@batpc.lonestar.org
From: hicksjl@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (James L. Hicks)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Face it, Amiga's are no good!
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:30:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr9.203041.2398
Reply-To: hicksjl@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (James L. Hicks)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr7.121925.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au>  
c9228224@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (McLeod) writes:
> 
>   Has anyone ever noticed how Amiganites seem to think that Amigas' are
> the best computers around, despite the fact that no self-respecting  
business
> would go near them? I mean, lets face it, Amiga's are nothing compared  
with
> MS-DOS machines. And, they never will be. Oh sure, they have such pretty 
> graphics, but that doesn't mean zip when it comes down to how good they  
are 
> to use, now does it?! So come on all you egotistical Amiga users. Get  
your
> heads out of the sand and face facts. Amigas' are nothing, they never  
will be
>  and haven't a chance in hell at ever being any better then MS-DOS  
machines.
>   
>      Face facts, guys.
>          MR B.

	Jesus, do we have to go over this again?  If I want to drive a  
nail, I use a hammer.  If I want to cut a piece of wood, I use a saw.   
Computers are tools.  No one tool can do everything.  I own both an Amiga  
and a NeXT right now, and have rarely been without at least two computers.   
Quite frankly, I can't even bear to think about limiting myself to one  
platform, be it Amiga, Unix, MS-DOS, or whatever.  Please, instead of  
flaming for lack of anything better to do, just think for a moment about  
what you want to do and use the right damn tool!  As for Amiga users being  
egotistical...well I know I am sometimes.  But I've also been a Unix snob,  
Apple II snob, C-64 snob...  The list goes on and on.  It's human nature  
to point at your neighbor and claim your toys are better than his!  It's  
just not a good idea to do it loudly in public...

James
--
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NeXT Campus Consultant                          Phone: 812-877-8728
Rose-Hulman Institute of Tech.    Voice Mail: 415-366-0900 Ex. 5571
The above opinions are mine and mine alone.
From: 01ksdavis@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: programming
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:58:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-ucs.1992Apr7.235840.5827


	I have been an avid programmer for years, and am surprised to see how
the entire Amiga community dissed AmigaBASIC HARD!  Sure it's slow, sure it's
awkward, but have you seen some of the entry-level BASICs on other systems-
were talking downright scary! 
	Too bad commodore decided that AmigaVision is a suitable replacement-
NOT-can you say lack of joystick support I thought you could.  Commodore either
espouse AmigaVision or Arexx.  Granted, there are some reasonable commercial
BASICs out there, but Commodore decided that these were state of the art, and
gave up any notion on ever upgrading AmigaBASIC.
	Don't really mean to start any flamefires here, but this is sort of a
response to the Amiga 500 owner on this newsgroup who was wondering which
language to obtain.
	If anyone can send me all of the info on AmigaBASIC-not the manual, but
the technical stuff-like the actual ML source or something?  I might try to
write an improvement, and then make it publicly available.
	Unlike any C, Fortran, Pascal, other BASIC, or Arexx language or even
object-orientated languages (cando, AmigaVision, etc.)  Thereby putting the
power of programming back into the masses.
	Don't look for this real soon, however as my knowledge of 680x0
assembly isn't impressive at all, besides this would be a serious undertaking,
not some thing slopped off of assembly lines just to make bucks.
	Everybody who sells these above languages, please don't take this too
seriously as a flame, it's just the truth.
				:-)Kyle
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: u895762@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Paul S.E.)
Subject: Re: Spread This!
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:40:58 GMT

ajaffe@amiganet.chi.il.us (Adi Jaffe) writes:


>Taken from a local BBS:
>--------------------------------------------------

>  

> Politics, Video and the Amiga

>  
> By Raymond Ulibarri

>  
> 21 March 1992

>  

>  
>    Please redistribute this file to as many computer users you are able to.
> It is my intent to turn the tables for Commodore and Amiga in America and hel
> better Amiga world because of it.
>  
>    We Amiga users are used to our form of "computer politics", whether we're
> arguing with an IBM user over graphic displays or debating with a Mac user
> about which computer multitasks better.  But now that politics has evolved
> from simply the electronic chatter that we do -- it has moved into the
> board rooms at Commodore.  It seems that I have learned, through hearsay,
> that there may be a traitor in high places at Commodore.  And I would tend to
> believe it.  It's the only explanation for the Amiga's rotten success in
> America, while it basks in popularity in Europe.  It must be the explanation
> why most Amiga users have a very poor opinion of Commodore USA and its
> management. And I'd say it's at least a part of the reason why the Amiga isn'
> enjoying the success in America like it shold be.
>
     You obviously havent seen Commod-door Australia :-)
From: phil@adam.adelaide.edu.au (Phil Kernick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Hardwired Demo
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:21:04 GMT
Organization: University of Adelaide, South Australia

aj733@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tim Hnat) writes:

>The praises come from this end also...it is *very* impressive.

I could not get it to run.  I boot it up, under either 1.3 or 2.04 and after
loading the first disk, and displaying the screen asking you to insert the
second disk, nothing happens.

If you press the right mouse button, it crashes with guru #8000003.00002E3E.
Also when loading, after the first set of (27?) tracks are loaded in, the
"1M CHIP FOUND" line on the screen gets corrupted.

My setup differs from the norm in the following way:

   68010 processor
   2M chip
   No fast
   DF2: connected to an AMax


Has anyone got it working with a similar setup?
-- 
   _-_|\    Phil Kernick                E-Mail: phil@adam.adelaide.edu.au
  /     \   Departmental Engineer       Phone:  +61 8 228 5914
  \_.-*_/   Dept. of Psychology         Fax:    +61 8 224 0464
       v    University of Adelaide      Mail:   GPO Box 498 Adelaide SA 5001
From: wulf@elfie.async.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Face it, Amiga's are no good!
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:43:44 GMT
Reply-To: wulf@elfie.async.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
Organization: NeuSoft

In article <Mark_Skaff.0025@softworx.access> Mark_Skaff@softworx.access (Mark Skaff) writes:
>But what would Amiga users say if they did not have the Video Toaster to
>defend them? Sure; Maybe the Video Toaster is a major _video_ adapter for
>computers, but who needs video? People don't exactly go to work and use
>Video Toasters - Granted, some people do use them at home, but it is still

Untrue.  Not only will an upcoming SF television series in the US (ie, no
cheesy BBC-type special effects would pass anyone's approval), Babylon 5,
use the Toaster to render all of their space craft, planets, and of course
the title space station, but there are other companies and governmental
organizations (I believe the US Air Forceis one of them) are using it as
well.

>not a major thing. MS-DOS based machines may have disadvantages, but they
>have one main advantage that outweighs all other computers; The
>compatibility and wise usage of it.

I've worked in PC technical support, and if anyone tells you that PCs are
wonderfully hardware compatible, they're an outright liar.  We used to have
to swap boards around for hours trying to get combinations that wouldn't
crash the machines.  The only reason PCs are popular is because IBM didn't
protect their system from being "cloned" like Mac, Amiga, and NeXT have.
Any Joe Shmo could build an IBM-like system from standard parts, and there
are now at least 5 suppliers of IBM-compatible ROMs, and some clone
manufacturers have their own - the IBM ROMs don't do very much.

>Only recently I realize, "Have I made a mistake in buying an Amiga?".

That depends on whether you want to be a cow or a mustang.

>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=_=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 
>Mark Skaff   //   Fidonet: 1:243/44.5
>Ottawa, Ont.//    Only Amiga Makes It Possible.
>=-=-=-=-=\\//=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 

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##  #      #   # #                    ||  Ireland will please raise their right
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#   # ####  ###  ####   ##  #     #   || Jake Rose at jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Sikamikanico)
Subject: FishCat updates: Where or how?
Reply-To: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:21:16 GMT


Where are the FishCat updates 621-630?  Or, if I have the program names and
descriptions, is it possible to put them in myself?  By the looks of it,
it seemed that FishCat 1.2 read in encrypted/compressed data.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: xpkmaster.library....Where can I find it????
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:57:04 PST
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <13APR199222411374@pavo.concordia.ca> by ct_oreg@pavo.concordia.ca (Chris O'Regan):

>      I just got MultiPlayer and now I'm searching for xpkmaster.library.

    Try dropping a line to U. Dominik Mueller, the central coordination
    guy for XPK. Address is umueller@amiga.physik.unizh.ch

    I believe at the moment the libraries are not available for public
    distribution. One way to get a copy might be to write a program that
    uses XPK, then ask for the development distribution. I've got a couple
    of minor programs that use XPK, but which can't be distributed yet
    either.

> =        Christopher  O'Regan        -   " 'If you want a picture of the     -
--
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***    "Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk    ***
From: htweedie@madhat.actrix.gen.nz (Hamish Tweedie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: EPS FTP sites
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga GRn V1.28 2/25/92 (Beta) by Mike Schwartz
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:26:31 PST
Organization: The mad HATter's madhouse

	Does anybody know of any Encapsulated Postscript FTP sites.
Furthermore are there any sites that have a decent selection of ProDraw
ofr the like clips for use in PageStream??

	Many thanks for any help!

--

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: dtiberio@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: PLEASE, the TRUE legal scoop and distibuting music samples
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:50:54 GMT

In article <46303@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>>In article <92097.195932CMS129@psuvm.psu.edu> CMS129@psuvm.psu.edu (Christopher M. Stoy) writes:
>>>I doubt Genesis would care about the demo.  He isn't hurting sales in any
>>>way I can see (in fact, he is most likely increasing them by making people
>>>want to hear the entire song).
>
>In article <1992Apr8.093538.2652@bristol.ac.uk> ccjy@bristol.ac.uk (APATHY=) writes:
>>And i would just like to add that Phil Collins of Genesis is a nice man with
>>good values in life.
>
>	Well, then, the solution is obvious!  Simply ask Genesis for
>PERMISSION to use the music in the demo.  If they say yes, then great!  If
>not, then you will know for a fact that they DO "care" how their music is
>used.
>

	In many cases, if you talk with Genesis, they are more likely
to okay it than if you talk to the guy who does marketing and stuff
for Genesis.Ask Phil, not his agent. Agents just want to make money and 
sue people RE: Jane Goodall and The Far Side.


-- 
      //   David Tiberio  SUNY Stony Brook 2-3662  AMIGA  DDD-MEN   
     //  Not the llama! Come here Earl; I want to tell you something...
   \X/  Liverpool, New York	flames to suggestions@cbmvax.commodore.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: 8939527@hydra.maths.unsw.OZ.AU ()
Subject: Re: Amiga Pic
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:39:22 GMT

In article <92097.100754JLKARAU@MTUS5.BITNET> <JLKARAU@MTUS5.BITNET> writes:
>I am in desparate need of a good looking Amiga Clipart.  I need something that
>is clean and printableable and in TIFF, B/W GIF, or EPS format.
>
>If you have something and could help me out, it would be appreciated.  The
>sooner the better.  An upload to Ab20's incoming/amiga directory and a note to
>me would surfice..
	What do you mean Amiga clip art. Amiga specific subjects. The reason I 
ask you is that the formats you ask for are not Amiga spesifi. On that point
there is no reason not to use the hundreds of EPS, GIF clip art available on FTP

	CYA and good hunting
	George T.
From: umueller@amiga.physik.unizh.ch (Urban D. Mueller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Csh and SetFont
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:31:32 GMT

Sorry if this is a dupe, but the first try seemingly didn't make it out.

In article <1992Apr6.043550.3826@regina.cs.uregina.ca> plummer@hercules.cs.uregina.
ca (Dave Plummer) writes:
>These are probably FAQs, but since somp.sys.amiga.introduction doesn't get
>updated much...

They are, that's why I answer publicly.

>When I use setfont from within a csh shell under 2.04, the font change
>doesn't take effect unless I issue a _second_ setfont with no parameters.
>Then it works fine.  Is there a reason and a solution for this?

Haven't figured out that problem yet. Dave Haynie's SetFont with the
WINDOW keyword works nicely, tho. I'll put it on amiga.physik.unizh.ch
tonight.

>While I'm at it, does anyone know how to get the close gadget to shut down
>a csh shell without using two clicks?

Add to your .login or login.sh:

alias quit "endcli;quit


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: plummer@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Dave Plummer)
Subject: Re: PLEASE, the TRUE legal scoop and distibuting music samples
Reply-To: plummer@hercules.uregina.ca (Dave Plummer)
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 04:05:00 GMT

In article <1210@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> rvmst1@gl.pitt.edu (Rainer V Mager) writes:
>OK,
>	Does anyone know for sure whether I can distribute my Genesis
>Demo?  PLEASE, only if you KNOW for sure (if you a lawyer maybe), not
>"well, my friend who's dad's sister in law said that you can only
>distribute it if you personally talk to Phil Collins."... after I get
>the response to this I will act accordingly and tell you all what's
>being done.

I was working on a commercial game a few years ago and we had digitized
(when it was neat trick noone had tried) music excerpts from stuff like
Beach Boys songs and Old Spice ads.  Even though there is some technicality
like you can use a clip under X seconds (6?) our lawyer advised us to remove
them, just to be safe.  

Personally, if you read the copyright notice on the CD, I don't think there's
any doubt it is technically illegal.  Whether or not the copyright owners would
take offence and sue is another matter entirely.

Then again, Playboy _is_ suing a BBS owner in the states for $4 Million for
having digitized pictures of Vanna White from one of their issues...
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu Ayala)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: .info Magazine has "suspended operations"
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:39:16 GMT
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology

In article <caw.08fp@miroc.Chi.IL.US> caw@miroc.Chi.IL.US (Christopher A. Wichura) writes:
>
>I agree that is also sad that .info is having trouble.  I've been reading it
>since the 64 days, and it has indeed improved over the years.  Still, in
>comparison to something like Amiga World, it just looks plain kludgie.  Sure,
>the articles are just as good, but I know a lot of people who never gave it a
>serious chance because they though it looked too childish.
>

  Or maybe the fact that it doesn't have Amiga in the name.  I remember
  when I first started thinking about getting an Amiga, I went out and
  grabbed whatever magazines had Amiga in the name.  Only after I actually
  had an Amiga, and thus found out about .info files, did I have a clue
  that a magazine named .info would be interesting.  Having said that,
  I subscribed because I like the tech notes section.  The last issue
  had Dave Haynie explaining all about the different kinds of ram!

  Maybe if they do get funding, they should change the name to
  Amiga .info or something.  Just a marketing thought...

  I hate to see it go, since it is done entiredly on Amigas.

  Clare
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From: sting@irie.ais.org (Marc Rucinski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: xxx.gif.jpg files...What are they?
Date: 31 Mar 92 19:51:07 GMT
Distribution: us
Organization: UMCC


Hi all!  I found out on ab20, in the incoming diretory, a directory called
Rock_Pics, or something like that.  There's a set of pic files in there,
along with a readme file.  The readme file doesn't tell you squat about the
files, except what they are. eg. zztop.gif.jpg - ZZTop picture. Both
guitarists strangling drummer.  Doesn't say who put them up, or what format
they are, or how to view them.  They aren't regular gif files and they
aren't uuencoded.  Can anybody tell me what to do with them?  I grabbed 3 of
them and don't have any way to view them.  BTW, I think that was
incoming/amiga/rock_pics.  If anyone can help with the .jpg extension, I
would really appreciate it.

                                Thanx!

                                  Marc                 sting@ais.org
From: stacysm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Steve Stacy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: SID v2 is a time bomb
Summary: DirWork is MUCH better
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:00:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44170
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

This is a plug for DirWork1.51 on amiga.physik.unizh.ch in the 
/amiga/util directory.  There is nothing disabled, and I have never had
a crash caused by DW in about 4 months of use.  1.51 is the latest version
and a Godsend to say the least.  Imagine a program that incorporates
a screen blanker, mouse accelerator, virus checker, pic viewer, sound player,
anim viewer, text displayer (with search functions), and is totally
configurable to launch all of your own programs at the touch of a button.
Snazy 2.0 look, and an external configuration EDITOR that makes changes as
easy as point and click.  Hot Keys are abundant- example: alt+shift+D
launches DeluxePaint.  (2.0 adds these to the tools menu)  File manipulation
is a breeze, and all buttons are what YOU make them.  Click a file with
the left mouse button, if its text its displayed, if its a picture it shows
it, if its an LZH it extracts it.  It does literally everything, and get this-
its 63K uncompressed.  It goes down to about half that with PowerPacker.
The doc file is expertly written with clear instructions from the novice
to the amiga pro.  I cant say enough about it except GET IT NOW.  It is 
easily the best piece of software I have ever encountered on the amiga,
commercial and or otherwise.  SID be gone!  DirWork has arrived.
Just my $.02 worth.

Heath Doerr
Email : stacysm@sage.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc