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From: terjem@stud.cs.uit.no (Terje Normann Marthinussen)
Subject: Re: Amiga product reviews in BYTE!
Organization: University of Tromsoe
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:32:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.164703.4102@memstvx1.memst.edu>, langston@memstvx1.memst.edu (Mark C. Langston) writes:
>
>     Well, while I wait to hear the results of the 'Win an a4000' contest
>(Geez, this guy's impatient...but the winners _were_ supposedly announced
>today), I thought this might interest everyone...
>
>In several issues this year, (including the latest one), BYTE magazine has
>started mentioning the Amiga.  Hell, in the newest one, they actually 
>_reviewed_ two Amiga-only products! (one of which, a 16-bit sound board, I 
>forget which one, was compared to actually having an 8-track recording 
>studio, and put the Mac contender to shame...).  They even reviewed Bars &
>Pipes Pro.
>     Now, I'm not complaining about the sudden interest in covering the Amiga,
>but isn't it interesting that they started the coverage about the same time
>C= threw tens of thousands of dollars at them for two-page spread ads?  It
>smells funky from this end... must a company advertise with them before their
>platform gets reviewed?  I never see Nexts or Suns advertised, but they don't
>hesitate to mention them in just about every issue.
>
>Oh, well.  Whatever the reason, I'm just happy it's finally getting coverage
>in something other than an Amiga mag.

I have the feeling that BYTE has wanted or has been interested in covering
Amiga more, but I'm not sure why they haven't.

A though that has touched my mind, is that maybe it's the developers of Amiga 
soft and hardware which hasn't given BYTE information about new products.

Probably most developers haven't seen BYTE as the right magazine for their
product, which of course has been a huge error. 



Terje Marthinussen
terjem@stud.cs.uit.no
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Why doesn't Amiga core-dump? *sigh*
From: hoffmann@nutmeg.ntu.edu.au (Arthur Hoffmann)
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:29:04 +0900
Distribution: world
Organization: Information Technology, Northern Territory University
Keywords: coredump, guru

In article <1992Nov12.142819.9665@ifi.unizh.ch>, matija@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Matija Milostnik) writes:
> In article <1953@lysator.liu.se> marvil@lysator.liu.se (Martin Vilcans) writes:
> >matija@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Matija Milostnik) writes:
> >>In article <BxL1K6.CnG@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
> >>>Just a question.. why don't Amigas coredump like UNIX? 
> >>Because it gives you a nice guru telling you the Why and the Where
> >
> >>>Why do they instead crash messily and reset? 
> >>Because its not guarantied that your data is safe.
> >
> >Wouldn't you like the computer to continue working and then let the user
> >decide if he/she wants to reset?
> 
> Thats the suspend requester. Its your choise to suspend or reset.

But most of the time you don't get that requester and the machine still crashes.
And what do you do with the open windows that remain after you suspended,
shrinking them and trying to hide them is not a good solution. 

Arthur.

					Arthur Hoffmann
					hoffmann@nutmeg.ntu.edu.au
> 
> bye
>   Matija
> -- 
> Best regards from Matija Milostinik           : matija@avalon.ifi.unizh.ch  
>                                               : matija@amiga.physik.unizh.ch
> Therefore, use local labels in the procedures as often as possible. 
> Save the environment!  Recycle!  ;-)                 (Bjoern Reese)
From: rico@disaster.hacktic.nl (Rico Jansen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Vhat?  No fl
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:03:56 GMT
Organization: HIN - Disaster Area
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In article , Sam Hulick writes:

> Wait, did I hear right?  The A4000 has no flicker-fixer?!  But if the
> A3000 had one, why wouldn't they put it in the A4000?  Now we have to go
> out & buy a f-fixer for $200-$300?  *SIGH*  Geez.  Of course, this is
> what I heard.. if I'm wrong, please correct me. :)

Yes the A4000 has no flickerfixer. 
This is because the AGA chipset doesn't actually need one.

Rico Jansen (rico@disaster.hacktic.nl)
From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Commodore Announces Winners of 4000 Reasons Contest
Date: 21 Nov 92 15:03:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Nov21.080319.5209
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

> I too was a little surprised at some of the winning entries.  The winner
> didn't have and zing or flash, or even hutspa (technical terms we use in
> broadcasting :-) that even a "good" entry should have.

Would ANY of us really expect CBM to recognize "zing or flash, or even
hutspa" if they saw it???  I know I sure as heck would not expect such an
impossibility.  If CBM knew marketing, they would not be in their current
state with the word "Amiga" virtually unknown to 90% of the American
public.  :-/


                -=- Ed

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN)
Subject: Re: SEND ME YOUR OPINION/s
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:18:00 GMT

In article <41449@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ee52fcu@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Alex Burmester) writes:
>
>	Like many people I have owned an A500 for years, (about7-8)
>and lately I really don't use it much more than once every two weeks
>for a little word proccessing.  I really can't get excited like I

I didn't know that there were any A500's around in 1984 :-)

>
>		email  alexb@sybase.com   
>

_________________________________________________________________________
| Jorn Halonen              | "dinga ding dang my danga long ling long" |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: cs_d604@ceres (David Scutt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: populous ii
Date: 16 Nov 1992 15:31:46 GMT
Organization: Kingston University
Distribution: comp
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ken.halfon@execnet.com ("ken halfon") writes:
: The following message is being posted for my brother-in-law who does
: not have usenet access. If you can help please reply to me at
: Ken.Halfon@Execnet.com
: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
: On 11/09 George Green wrote:
: GG>I have been working wiht Populous II and managed to get to world 235
: GG>(UNNEAK) and cannot manage to beat the bad guys.  All you have is
: GG>raise/lower the earth and the ability to move your papal magnet.  The
: GG>opposition can call on numerous strategies including Helen.  She can't
: GG>be drowned aand once she starts I have been unable to stop her.  If
: GG>anyone has figured this one out or cares to try, HELP!         THANKS>
: 
:                                                           ->>> KEN <<<-

	HA HA HA HA HA!
	Sorry, but life is tough, and this Pop.II world is tougher.  What 
most people do (or at least what I did) is to sit and get beaten - sad, 
but very easy...

	If you want, try expanding your land quickly.  Start with small houses
and expand them into castles later in the game.

	You don't have to win _every_ world.....
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)
Subject: Re: Weak-mindedness & piracy & drugs (oh boy) (LONG)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Reply-To: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:22:36 GMT

In article <Bxv9z6.I5D@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, shulick@yankton.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
> In article <BxuDML.CA0@starnine.com>, mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) says most sayishly:
> >In article <Bx9n9K.943@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@yankton.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:

Ranting removed to protect the innocent..

> >
> >>No, try I'm realistic.  And "piracy is wrong" is about as
> >>weak and diluted as "say no to drugs."
> >
> >Both good ideas.  Or do you do drugs too?
> 
> No, they're not good ideas, you bloody conformist.  They're society's
> ideas and what they want you to do/believe.  Sheesh, get a mind of your
> own.  Why is "say no to drugs" a good idea?  Sure, I agree piracy is
> wrong, but when it comes to drugs, the govt. has no right to tell us
> what we put in our bodies.  So you must be one of those fools who thinks

You just sound like a fool...

A ton of blithering deleted...

> 
> -- 

FOLLOWUPS AS ALWAYS TO C.S.A.ADVOCCY

-- 
	David

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	            opinions of my employer, nor are my actions
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		    employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black)
Subject: Re: Amiga 1200 Released at Comdex
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:07:57 GMT

beede@sctc.com (Mike Beede) writes:

>sue@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Sue West - CATS) writes:

>>The high speed, 32-bit Amiga 1200 comes standard with one 3.5 inch
>>floppy drive, 2MB of chip RAM and an internal IDE interface.

>I take it that ``high speed, 32-bit'' without mention of a specific
>processor is market-speak for ``68000''?

Nope it is really 32bit, it uses an 020 at 14mhz.  Which since it is 
twice as wide ie 32bit and is twice is fast.  Makes it about 4 times
faster.

Martin

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Betting on an A1800
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 21:28:06 GMT

In article <hgm.722092274@news.ncsu.edu> hgm@ncsu.edu (Hal G. Meeks) writes:
>unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (I.A. Inman) writes:
>
>
>They will keep making the 2000 and 600 as long as they can sell them. The
>600 is the C64 of the 90's, and the 2000 is needed for those "Toaster
>People" (until NewTek comes out with a new toaster that doesn't need an
>Amiga). The 3000 is dead (check out Creative Computer's ad in AmigaWorld).

  I called Commodore and asked them if what Creative Computer said
  was true.  First off, they hadn't heard of it, and secondly they
  said it couldn't possibly be true since they are still shipping
  them (A3000) out of the factory.
>
>This is all a combination of rumor, speculation and the barest threads of
>fact. 
>
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.misc:17244 comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:29662
From: mmcalees@cs16.UVic.CA (Michael McAleese)
Subject: Re: Virtual Reality Game
Organization: Those Dudes
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 20:56:23 GMT

In article <15NOV199220172608@rosie.uh.edu> st1gs@rosie.uh.edu (Spice, Darrell G.) writes:
>Here in Houston we have one of those virtual reality games, the one called
>Pterordactal(sp).  Its really neat, I've played it a few times.
>
>It is done on Amiga's (there is an Amiga keyboard out for controlling the
>game).

  What's really amusing is reading the articles about this system in PClone
mags. There's one out now (I can't recall the name, they're all so generic)
that waxes eloquent about this Virtuality system for four solid pages of
copy before it turns to the computer components. There we learn that there
are 68030s in there... and Amigas are used as terminals. As far as I know, 
the makers of Virtuality don't go to any lengths to hide the fact that the
whole thing is built on Amigas - but it's interesting to see the PClone folk
avert their eyes.

-- 
*     mmcalees@csr.uvic.ca (Michael McAleese) : I speak only for me...       *
  "Man can believe the impossible, but never the improbable." - Oscar Wilde
  (For snooping governments: heroin, cocaine, FBI, CSIS, CIA, albatross...)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jfieber@sophia.smith.edu (John Fieber)
Subject: Re: Amiga product reviews in BYTE!
Organization: Smith College
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:40:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.164703.4102@memstvx1.memst.edu> langston@memstvx1.memst.edu (Mark C. Langston) writes:
>In several issues this year, (including the latest one), BYTE magazine has
>started mentioning the Amiga.  Hell, in the newest one, they actually 

Back in the mid-80's some mention or feature article about the
Amiga could be found in nearly every issue.  Then they fell
silent until the A3000 hit the cover(!).  Then silence again.  I
hope that C= arranges to have a good feature on the A4000.

>     Now, I'm not complaining about the sudden interest in covering the Amiga,
>but isn't it interesting that they started the coverage about the same time
>C= threw tens of thousands of dollars at them for two-page spread ads?  It
>smells funky from this end... must a company advertise with them before their
>platform gets reviewed?  

Publishers like Byte are in business to make money, not as public
service agencies.  It smells pretty normal to me.

>I never see Nexts or Suns advertised, but they don't
>hesitate to mention them in just about every issue.

Sun *does* advertise in Byte.  Maybe not as much as Gateway or
Zeos but they do.  Same for Silicon Graphics, HP/Apollo and
others.  Of course there is NeXT, but if there is a rule about
anything, the NeXT breaks it.  Therefore the NeXT doesn't count. 

-john
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: eeklund@nyx.cs.du.edu (Eivind Eklund)
Subject: Re: Workbench?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 19:34:36 GMT

In article <2114@celia.UUCP> celia!neil@usc.edu (Neil Richmond) writes:
>This will probably seem like a stupid question, but where is the actual 
>workbench file kept? Is it one of the libraries? The reason I ask, is that
>I recently discovered that I had an old version of workbench 2.0. I
>remedied the problem, but the only way I could do it was to run install
>again, because I didn't know where the workbench file was.

There is no actual 'workbench file'. If you just want it to show the new
version number, you could replace version.library...  But really, to
upgrade the workbench, you  HAVE to re-install it.

Eivind Eklund AKA Vishnu CRB
eeklund@nyx.cs.du.edu or phone +47-(0)-9-944946 (BBS, shout to get ME)
From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Vhat?  No flickerfixer in A4k?  Vhat ees thees?
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:04:33 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <Bxuotn.KnK@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>If I had a dime for every person who has posted about the problems with
>screens not being centered correctly on the A4000, I'd buy a workstation.

	No, Marc, you exaggerator... you'd have less than a dollar.  And
over half the money would have come from YOUR postings.  You, the person who
has never used an A4000.

	And you'll notice that most, if not all, of those postings came
before anyone fixed the problem.  In case you hadn't noticed there are around
four programs on ftp sites now that handle deinterlacing for the broken
programs that do it wrong.  (The exception being games & demos that kill the
OS.  But these have crashed on accelerated machines for years, so this is no
surprise.)

	Followups, as usual, to c.s.a.advocacy.

                                                        Dan

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From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Supra Sucks - continued...
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 17:50:52 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>
>By the way, it is NOT my phone lines, as my normal phone works, and my
>SupraModem 2400 works.  And please respond via email, as my newsreader

Because your normal phone works doesn't prove anything. Sorry.  You can't
hear all the static that can ruin a 9600 connection on a normal phone.  A
2400 bps modem would also not be as susceptable to a bogus line as well.

>Sam Hulick          | "You can't discover new oceans unless you have the
>shulick@indiana.edu | courage to lose sight of the shore."  --Anon.
>(NeXTmail welcome)  |

-Joel
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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Workbench?
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:16:44 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <2114@celia.UUCP> celia!neil@usc.edu (Neil Richmond) writes:
>This will probably seem like a stupid question, but where is the actual 
>workbench file kept? Is it one of the libraries? The reason I ask, is that
>I recently discovered that I had an old version of workbench 2.0. 

What you get displayed when you ask for Kickstart and Workbench version
(through the About... menu item), is not the version of one single file
(ok, there's version.library, but it has no real function in the system
besides displaying this number), but a general number for the whole 
release of the WB disk. So if you realize you have an old WB version, 
you indeed should install everything of the system disks (including 
Extras, Fonts, etc.) again.

-- 
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From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: The Amiga 1200 Specs - From CBM
Date: 15 Nov 92 00:36:10 GMT
 <mwm.2i5l@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us>
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <mwm.2i5l@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us>, Mike Meyer writes:

> CBM (as a company) is _NOT_ interested in selling high-end Amigas.
> They want to sell gobs and gobs of one-step-above-game-console
> machines. That's why the A500/A600/A1200 designs are driven by price,
> and little else. 
> 
> The high-end machines serve a three-fold purpose:
> 	1) So they can have advertize "upgrade path" for the above.
> 	2) To keep the h/w designer happy.
> 	3) To provide development platforms for s/w authors.
> 
> It seems like a lot more things make sense when examined in that
> light. But it's pure speculation, nothing more. Anyone want to comment
> on it?

Ok.  The money is in sales volume.  Sales volume is at the low end.  So, CBM
is more interested in the low end machines where they can make the most money.
This is a "good thing" (tm).

CBM makes higher end machines (surprisingly enough.)  They make less money for
CBM.  However, you are correct in that they make better development machines.
Easier development means more software.  More software means more computer sales.
Also, it is harder to sell low end machines without a higher end choice available.

I doubt that CBM makes marketing decisions based on "keeping designers happy."
That is what pay and perqs are for.


                                                Jim Pritchett


UUCP:  rwsys.lonestar.org!caleb!jdp
 or    utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!caleb!jdp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: shulick@osage.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Now.. you get what you want! (maybe) :)
Originator: shulick@osage
Reply-To: shulick@osage.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:11:40 GMT


Ok, I'm dying to write another program for the Amiga, so throw all your
suggestions this way.  NOT intense things like comm programs, compilers,
print spoolers (hi Scott :), etc.  Anything else... try me, and I'll let
you know if I can handle it.  Maybe some modifications to IntelliKey are
due, so I can release v2.0.. I haven't had a lot of input on suggestions
and changes for IntelliKey.  So e-mail away, and let me know what you'd
like to see, and I'll see what I can do.

      - A challenge-hungry psycho programmer

-- 
Sam Hulick          | "You can't discover new oceans unless you have the
shulick@indiana.edu | courage to lose sight of the shore."  --Anon.
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From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: To be able to copy and paste...
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:26:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Nov22.092650.5263
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

> The Amiga equivalent to the Mac cut and paste is called the ClipBoard.
> Some applications support it others do not.

Any Amiga productivity apps that do not choose to support the standard
Amiga clipboard ought to be trashed in favor of ones that do, IMHO.  This
is probably the only way to make a serious impression upon those software
authors who do not feel this to be an important feature.  I consider it a
critical must-have feature for ANY productivity program and will not
purchase any that do not support it.


> I've not tried Snap and so can't comment on it.

Snap is an excellent utility and is a way to salvage poorly featured
programs that do not include clipboard support.  Real programmers should
not have to rely on PD/shareware authors to save their butts, however. I've
recently begun using PowerSnap and it is a very nice little utility
program... highly recommended for anyone who has older less than fully
featured software that they must use until they can afford better.


> Of the application that I use the ones that come to mind are ProWrite
> 3.3...

I use ProWrite v3.0 and it does not support the Amiga clipboard. :-(
Do you know when this feature was added?  I'm strongly considering junking
ProWrite and getting Final Copy II, which looks to be an excellent program
that includes necessary features, such as clipboard support.



        -=- Ed


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