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From: mnewton@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: Women's TdF
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:39:55 GMT

In article <IeRjjF600VozQ=fHI5@andrew.cmu.edu>, Donald Jackson Pickett <dp32+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Excerpts from netnews.rec.bicycles: 28-Jul-92 Women's TdF by MICHAEL H.
> ALAIMO@ns1.cc 
>>     Seeing Jeannie Longo in the olympic roadrace reminded me of the old
>>     Longo/Maria Canins rivalry of the Women's Tour de France.  Does anyone
>>     know why the race is no longer held?  I always thought it was quite
>>     exciting.
> 
> 
> I heard it died from lack of sponsorship. 
> 
> Don
> ---
> dp32@andrew.cmu.edu                     Gregory Peck/Hunter Thompson in '92. 
> "We have bad news for you - Hell just froze over."
>          - excerpt of a recent letter from home. 
> 


>
	I've just returned from France and amid all the hype surrounding
Le Tour Indid hear about le Tour des Femmes (I think that's the name).
There was also a whole magazine type book on the racks about it. Based
on my memory after a quick glance at the book it runs in Aygust, starts
in the south with at least one mountain stage and works its way to Paris.
It takes about eight days. Someone in France should be able to supply
more accurate info.

Michael Newton
Grenfell College
Corner Brook NF
From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Signalling right turns
Keywords: hand signals, traffic law, cycling
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:21:10 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA

In article <rlewis.712385222@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis) writes:
>There is a push in this province (Alberta) to change the right turn hand signal
>from one done with the left hand pointing upward with the arm bent at the elbow 
>to a right turn hand signal done with the right hand pointed straight out to 
>the right.  I would like to know which is the legally recognized right turn 
>hand signal in your area.
> 

In California either one is legal on a vehicle where the right hand can be
seen.

I always use the right hand.

I don't want to bet on drivers, who usually see flashing lights, remembering
what a bent left arm means.  An outstretched right hand is obvious.

-dk
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dewolfe@ug.cs.dal.ca (Anarchy for Peace)
Subject: PowerBars in the US
Organization: Dept. of Math, Stats, and Comp. Sci., Dalhousie University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:04:02 GMT

Can someone there is the United States tell me how much Power Bars
cost down there.  I'm from Canada where they are now banned and our
local shop has just run out.  I will be going down to L.A. soon
and plan on picking up a couple of boxes.

Colin DeWolfe
dewolfe@ug.cs.dal.ca

P.S.  If PowerBars were taken off the market here because they don't actually
contain "power", how come we can still get Smarties? :-) :-)  That's the 
Canadian Government for ya....
From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: MTB Touring (was: Touring bicycles -- an extict breed?)
Date: 27 Jul 1992 18:37:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: concertina

In article <f8lT02UO1aBq01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> deb90@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (David E Ben-Jamin) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.183359.6385@cs.yale.edu> black-michael@CS.YALE.EDU (Michael Black) writes:
>>
>>There have recently been many negative comments about the
>>use of mountain bikes for road touring.
>> (stuff deleted)
>>Are these things true, and do they doom the mountain bike for
>>touring?  Are there other important factors?

For some people, yes, for others, no.

>Hogwash.  Touring on a mtn bike is a dream.  I did a small ride covering
>250 miles over two days (Chico, CA to San Jose CA) on my Mountain Goat.
>Had a helluva time.  I went with 1.25" Specialized Fat-boy slicks.  That was
>the only thing I changed on the entire bike.  All the arguements roadies make
>against touring on a mtn bike are easily shot down.  

For you, maybe, for me, not so fast...  Believe me, I've tried.

>1.  rolling resistance almost nil with Fat-boys (or other slick)

There's more to life than raw rolling resistance.  In some riding regimes,
rotating mass becomes more important.  At above 12 mph in still air,
aerodynamic considerations take precedence.

>2.  with bar-ends and/or clip-ons, had positions are infinite
>    (if you really need to, put on drop-bars)

This is definitely a recommendation.

>3.  lack of stability?  Gimme a break.  

Depends on the particular bike's geometry and load and load distribution.

>4.  short chain-stays.  I found that the tighter wheel-base helped
>    me climb the hills.  Also, my bike has somewhat more agressive angles
>    than non-race type bikes.  The bike was somewhat twitchy during fast
>    decents.  Roadies should be used to that. 

  :}

>You wanna tour?  Take the mtn bike.  Leave the skinny tire at home and use it
>to race.  For comfort, ADDED stability and durability, you can't beat an ATB
>for touring. 

I'll take my Klein Performance over my Cannondale mountain bike for touring
anytime, thanks.  (I spent 6 weeks *not* riding because of elbow injuries
from a long ride on the C-dale two years ago finding this out.)

Note that I still own, and ride, both bikes.  Just not for the same sorts
of riding. What works for one may not work for another, goes either way.

--
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                       -- Eccl. 12:12    |  nebulae till 3 am?  |-(
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: robishaw@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw x5960)
Subject: Re: TDF results: stage 14
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:46:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.065438.23250@osf.org> david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:
>
>That guy did well, he also brought down Millar and Fignon.
>
>David.
>
Actually, Fignon made it around Millar. I thought it was touching the way Bugno
introduced the 'fan' to his front wheel with such enthusiasm. Lucky for him
that Bugno was still in it, or he might have chosen that moment to abandon the
tour and take up boxing.

Gary
-- 
Gary Robishaw          "He has a constitutional right to be not guilty."
robishaw@uranus.lrmsc.loral.com       Steven Barrucci after John Gotti's
408/432-5960                          sentencing.
Usnail -- 3151 Zanker Rd. San Jose, Ca. 95134-1928
From: allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ULTRA marathon cycling
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:31:45 GMT
Reply-To: allard@isi.edu (Dennis Allard)
Distribution: world
Organization: USC Information Sciences Institute

ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House) writes:
> Why on earth would he design a fairing that "only eliminates wind drag"
> ...
> We are talking, after all, about a guy who not only holds the record for
> the transcontinental ride but also spends record amounts each time he
> does RAAM -- upwards of $35,000 ...
> ...
> Not that there's anything wrong with that per se ...

OK, let's keep this ridiculous thread going for awhile.

First of all, just because I have tail wind does not mean I get a free
ride.  I've ridden in damn strong tail winds and still was able to
spin fast enough that I was going anerobic.

Could we change this into a thread on "The effects of tail wind"?  Does
anyone care enough to dredge up the facts about what power output you
need to maintain a given road speed on the flat, given different
tail wind velocities?  (Jobst spent at least three paragraphs worth of
time typing into this thread, so maybe he has some data like that handy
which he could paste in and share with us, for example).

Dennis Allard
allard@isi.edu
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:18770 ont.general:1242 can.general:3525
From: 880431j@dragon.acadiau.ca (Stacy Janes)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
Subject: Re: Bicycle helmets (was Re: Ontario government ...)
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:21:34 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin) writes:

>880431j@dragon.acadiau.ca (Stacy Janes) writes:


>>I live in Ontario, and I disagree with the mandatory law, but I agree with
>>helmets.  For me, it has nothing to do with getting a ticket, it is just
>>one more constricting law to get money for the government.

>Anybody who doesn't wear a bike helmet _will_ probably have their head
>examined - by a coroner.

This is why I **SUPPORT** wearing a helmet, but think that the money each
year it will cost would be better spent on education about helmets and road
riding and bicycle safety, IMHO.


Stacy Janes	Bell_Northern Research,	Ottawa, Ontario

** Standard disclaimmers apply **
From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Paramount Computer
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:36:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I just got a Paramount computer.  It's made by the Paramount Design
Group for Schwinn.
It seems to operate according to specs except that the maximum speed
seems to go directly to 50.0 mph.  I can guarantee that I have not
gone that fast (except in my dreams).
Is this a known "bug"?  Has anyone else ever experienced this?
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: MTB  Where to ride in the Lake Tahoe area?
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:37:12 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <19920720.133217.994@almaden.ibm.com> fattire@vnet.ibm.com (BJ Hargrave) writes:
>I will be in the Lake Tahoe area for the week of Aug 24 and want to do
>some mountain biking while I am there. Any ideas on some cool trails to
>ride out there? The more single track, the better.

Try riding up to Spooner Lake then taking Flume Trail. It is
absolutely awsome. A single track that winds along the cliffside 
overlooking the Lake and in places you have to portage across
rock falls. If you fall here you'll starve to death before
you strike bottom. :-)
From: wismer@iauf3.unifr.ch (Wismer Daniel  Uni Fribourg)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bike Nashbar and other mail-order houses
Date: 25 Jul 92 12:28:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Fribourg - CH

I will fly to United States next month, and have read the different
postings concerning Bike Nashbar and others with much interest.
Could someone please post a list of FAX numbers of different mail-
order houses.  We interested Europeans could get in contact with
these companies and save a lot of money.

Thank you for your help.

Dan Wismer	University of Fribourg	Switzerland
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: headset problems
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:27:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

I figured someone would answer this question so I didn't.
Then I saw your comments and figured I better leave something.

I guess you are talking about a slide hammer. This _may_ be his
problem, but dollars to donuts it's a question of having the
fork cut for a higher quality headset with better steel and
closer tolerances using (yes!) a fork race cutter.

I didn't read the whole thing but this sort of problem always
turns up with El Cheapo Producto (tm) bicycles.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: Barbora Deschenes <BRAB@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:20:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.043007.5124@bcrka451.bnr.ca> nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
>In article <2A73255D.3B80@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:
>>
>[ Lots of negative comments on cycling deleted ]
>
>Evan, why are you so hostile to cyclists?  I really would like to know
>why you are so opposed to cycling as an alternative to driving.  Heck,
>we're not talking about forcing you to cycle instead of drive!
>

I agree that a licence is not a must......I am now 28 years old and
still do not have a licence. I learned how to drive this year only
because I moved to Fredericton N.B. and they have no idea what public
transit is (they also don't use alternat methods of transport ie
walking and biking). Previosly I lived in Toronto (close to downtown)
and I found owning a car and knowing how to drive are not practical.
I ususally can get anywhere FASTER on my bike tha both the streetcar
and a car....(besides where do you park the car, keep the car, and
you can't get a morgage for a parking spot)
Before TO I lived in Ottawa for most of my life and had no NEED for
a car then either. Please remember that not everyone is living in
YOUR world. I have MANY friends that do not know how to drive. And
remember driving is a priveledge not a right......and you happen
to live in a country where it is readily available.(ie attainable)

besides if I am hurt how am I going to drive my car? I can always call
a cab if I'm desperate and it's much cheaper than car loans and
insurance payments.....big $$$$$$$ in TO.


Nobody is forcing you to stop driving so don't force me to drive. I
really don't like to drive and prefer alternate way of transportation
which are A) much cheaper B)much healthier for me C)much healthier
for you because I'm not polluting your air.

Cars are not for everyone.................Barbora

e-mail=> Barbora@unb.ca

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
From: rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis)
Subject: Re: Ontario government releases revised bicycle policy
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:32:58 GMT

kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel) writes:

>The third case is the winner.  My parents probably don't need
>a helmet riding at 5 MPH on a park bike route.  

Actually they probably do need helmets, occasional cyclists have a very high
accident rate (i.e., on a per mile basis), many times higher than trained 
cyclists who spend almost all of their time on the road.  However, any 
addition to the Highway Traffic Act (where a mandatory helmet law will be 
placed) will not effect cyclists on bike paths as bike paths are not considered 
to be covered under the Act.  In order to have mandatory helmet use on bike 
paths city by-laws would have to be enacted.  This is also why all this talk 
of riding 'legally' on bike paths is mistaken, the only laws which apply there 
are city by-laws, the most common one being (and this applies both here in 
Edmonton and Calgary) is that cyclists will always yield to pedestrians.

>I do need a helmet while
>I bike 20 MPH on fairly busy streets, but not when I cruise down to the
>store 1/2 mile away on non-busy streets.  

Again, just like with automobiles, this is where you are likely to have an 
accident.  'Quite' back streets are where both cyclists and motorists tend to 
be very incautious, as well visablity tends to be worse there.

>Sure, there will be accidents,
>but as this problem gets more attention more people will be willing to
>wear a helmet.

>-Rick

I'm not arguing for or against mandatory helmet use here.  The issue is a 
complicated one.  However the issue is only confused if false arguments get 
raised.  If one were to argue that helmets were to be made mandatory on main 
roads then one must equally argue that they be made mandatory on 'back streets'
and (though note the problems here) on bike paths lest we follow from that 
that bikes don't belong on main roads (the special helmet legislation being the 
implicit conformation of such).  

Now I realise this was not your explicit argument and that you may not even 
agree with it with put this way, but such is too often the end of this line of 
argument.

Robert Lewis
Department of Sociology
University of Alberta
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kmb@controls.ccd.harris.com (Kurt Brunton)
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic "Coverage"?
Originator: kmb@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:19:54 GMT


In article <l7g7r2INNadl@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, tmkelly@shootist.EBay.Sun.COM (Thomas McCabe Kelly) writes:
|> 
|> I'm going to spring the $$$ for the triple cast... 
|> 
|> Tk

	I haven't seen anyone post this yet, but I heard on the radio this
morning that NBC is losing so much money on their pay for view that they will
broadcast Thursday's and Friday's usual pay for view programming for FREE.

	But who cares, I'm still not going to watch it.  Even for free it's no
match for riding my bike, playing with my kids and being with my wife.
From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Reorganization: voting suggestion
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:58:40 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <76kmc8b.obrien@netcom.com> obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien) writes:
>If this reorganization fails ( I can only hope ) then it will be only
>a short time before another proposal will come up.

There is a six month waiting period before a failed vote can be re-proposed
and voted on.


Mike Iglesias                        Internet:    iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu
University of California, Irvine     BITNET:      iglesias@uci
Office of Academic Computing         uucp:        ...!ucbvax!ucivax!iglesias
Distributed Computing Support        phone:       (714) 856-6926
From: ericp@VNET.IBM.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Suntour Command Shifters
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:01:12 GMT

I just got a pair of these from Nashbar. The order desk said I also
needed 'cable stops', so I got these too for $3.95 a pair. What do I
do with these beasts? None of the bike repair books I can find:
Bicycling Magazine's Complete Guide to Bicycle Maintenance and Repair
Bicycle Maintenance Manual by Eugene A. Sloan
or the sections in the Richards or Lemond books say anything about
these cable stops. Where do they go and what do they do?
Thanks
Eric Pearson
ERICP@VNET.IBM.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: sery@crunch.unm.edu (sery)
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 19:55:27 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/lib/rn/organization

Jim Moore writes:
> [...stuff deleted ...]
>
>Maybe it was the bad coverage, but I thought the women raced extremely 
>conservatively. There were a few attempted attacks, but none in the
>final lap when I would have expected attack upon attack. I mean this
>is a 1 shot deal - why save anything? When Longo finally decided to chase
>the Australian, nobody went with her! Longo was handing someone a silver
>medal leadin if they were willing to jump on her wheel. Perhaps the
>pace had been just too hard for anyone to attack by then. I was glad
                    ^^^^^^^^
>the Austrailan rider won since she is the only one that showed a burning
>desire to win the race.
>
I don't think so.  They all finished around 2'5" or 24mph for 50miles.  

Paul Sery
Albuquerque, NM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: Presta to Shraeder tire valve adapters
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:08:50 GMT

In article <1885@coyote.UUCP>
manish@thinker.almaden.ibm.com (Manish Arya) writes:
 
>
>Has anyone found a presta to shraeder tire valve adapter that works
>well?  I've only tried one, which a bike shop gave me for free
>when I bought a bike.  It is a short piece of threaded aluminum
>without any gaskets.  I've tried 3 different "car tire" pumps
>with the adapter with no luck; the air always leaks quickly while
>the pump is securely attached.
>
I have a little brass adapter, perhaps 1/4" or so long. You screw it
onto the preta stem and it works perfectly. I use it occasionally when
changing tires as that's when I use my compressor. We occasionally
take an air carry tank when mountain biking, and then we use it as well.
Generally it's just as fast to use the Silca floor pump.
 
>I'll probably just change the tire tubes someday to a shraeder type.
>
Nah, don't do that.
 
>- Manish Arya, manish@almaden.ibm.com
 
   --mike
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pauls@icecreambar.css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Subject: Re: Need info on Bicycle Mechanics Schools
Organization: U of Michigan, ITD Research Systems
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 14:29:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.162831.15022@unlinfo.unl.edu> jbrill@unlinfo.unl.edu  
(james brill) writes:
> Could someone please furnish me with any information they might have 
> about schools that train people to be professional bicycle mechanics. 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim
> 
> jbrill@unl.edu

I attended United Bicycle Institute in Ashland, OR.  When I went (1988)  
there was only one course and it was $600.00.  Now I know that there are  
several courses (basic, advanced, etc) and I am not sure of the prices.  I  
don't have the number handy, but you should be able to get it from  
information.  If school is not in session, try calling the local shop  
Cycle Sport.  The person to talk to is Ron Sutphin (the main instructor).   
You won't find him at Cycle Sport, but they should be able to give you  
information.
From: timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM (Tim Cespedes)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic "Coverage"?
Date: 30 Jul 1992 18:23:22 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunpool.ebay.sun.com



In article 1197@ccd.harris.com, kmb@controls.ccd.harris.com (Kurt Brunton) writes:
>>
>	I haven't seen anyone post this yet, but I heard on the radio this
>morning that NBC is losing so much money on their pay for view that they will
>broadcast Thursday's and Friday's usual pay for view programming for FREE.
>

The numbers that I heard were, NBC only had ~~ 240,000 people sign up for
it.  They were expecting 2 million subscribers, or *8* times the actual
amount.

Tim
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 00:20:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Considering the very close relations between the Scots and
the French for so many years, is it any wonder that there
are so many Scots with French names? :-)
From: TKPOWELL@bluemoon.profs.tek.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: RE: Trial set for driver who hit bicyclist
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:18:23 GMT

From: Article by Howard Libit, "Peninsula Times Tribune" 23 June 92.
-A Redwood City man was allegedly turned off his headlights moments
-before hitting and severely injuring a professional bicyclist three
-weeks ago, a California Highway Patrol officer testified Wednesday.

-While driving in the rain and fog on Skyline Boulevard on June29,
-Duane William Wray , 19, allegedly bragged to his friends that
-"reflectors (on the road) are no good without headlights" and turned
-them off, said officer Richard Giovando.  Moments later, Wray
-drifted across the double yellow line and hit the Woodside resident
-Mark Anolik, 26, head-on, Giovando said.  Giovando testified at
-Wray's preliminary hearing Wednesday in San Mateo County Municipal
-Court.
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             Duane William Wray



--Terry
From: budn@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Bud Noren)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:00:21 GMT
Subject: Just Weight
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)