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From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Elmore James & George
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 10:20:38 GMT

OK, but who played the GREAT slide Dobro on "Crippled Inside"?  I always assumed
it was George doing a guest appearance, but was it John?


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From: demes@chopin.udel.edu (James A Demes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatlefest `92 (again)
Date: 3 Sep 92 04:16:22 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <89376@rphroy.ph.gmr.com> schauerte@curly.gmr.com (Frank Schauerte) writes:
>Videos for sale were too expensive ($82.50
>for `The Beatles First US Visit', and $62.50 for that 20
>minute READY STEADY GO clip called `The Beatles LIVE'),

The $82.50 isn't too bad, considering that the list price is $89.95
Also, 'The Beatles LIVE' is only $11.50, not $62.50
Plus, where else do you get a selection of 25-30 Beatles (& solo) videos?

>We all enjoyed the 6 live Beatle imitator bands a lot, which
>was something I didn't expect to care about. Three bands 
>performed a night, and the audience chose the best band 
>each night, leading to a grand finale between the two 
>winners, champion judged by the audience. The winner was the
>Beetle Brothers, (who got the opportunity to perform at
>a Chicago club in the near future). Concerts were great fun.

And I know this is picky, but the bands were sound-alikes, not imitators.
Beatlemania was a imitator band, and were sued (successfully).
These bands were just performing Beatles songs, not pretending to be
the Beatles.  I know it's picky, but it seems to be a big difference in
the courtroom.

--
Jim Demes  (demes@brahms.udel.edu or demes@freezer.cns.udel.edu)
From: ganjavi@felix.filenet.com (Ray Ganjavi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Ringo & Hollywood Bowl....
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:55:11 GMT
Reply-To: ganjavi@fritz.filenet.com (Ray Ganjavi)
Distribution: usa
Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA

I've been away from this group for a while (choicelessly). There are a 
couple of things I'd like to say:

	1. I really like Ringo's new album. It has some killer 
		songs. 
	2. I love the Beatles Live at Hollywood Bowl album. I think
	   it's my favorite album of all times. It has such 
	   tremendous energy.

Sincerely,
Ray Ganjavi

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FileNet Corporation, Costa Mesa, CA
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From: gene@ok.sw.stratus.com (Eugene Loparco)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Background vocals on "3 Legs" from McCartney's RAM LP...
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:51:27 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <1992Sep2.050010.4127@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
>In <machman.715372548@milton> machman@milton.u.washington.edu (The Machman) writes:
>
>>>     with "When I fly above the ????? clouds..." Can someone fill in the
>>>     blank for me?
>
>>"when i fly above the maddening clouds"?  something like that.
>
>After listening to it for twenty years (!??) I *still* can't figure that one
>out.
>
>					James Willer
>{the opinion above are probably NOT those of
> anyone at all}

I always thought it was "magnet clouds".  Don't ask me why, but it seems to
be consistent with the rest of the album (very different).


-Gene
From: rogers@rosencrantz.osf.org (Andrew Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Fixing a Hole guitar break
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:31:00 GMT
Organization: HICAM/OSD

In article <1992Aug26.054038.691@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
>I've been playing it in my mind here, (don't have the CD with me, just 
>my memory), but it sounds to me like a fuzz fed through a flanger, possibly
                                        ^^^^               ^^^^^^^
>with an envelope follower or wah effect towards the end of the solo.
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    ^^^

Three out of four of which didn't exist at the time it was recorded...

AWR
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: John acting being shot (was Re: Yoko Background Vocals)
Date: 27 Aug 1992 19:28:25 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu

greg@ise.ufl.edu (Greg O'Rear) writes:
>There is also that section in Revolution 9 where all the gunfire and cannons
>go off, with John making weird shuddering noises; kind of sounds like
>backward laughter, but it sounds the same backwards.  (What?  Play parts of
>The White Album backwards? :-)

Geez.  Remember when we thought nothing could possibly be tackier than
the "Paul is dead" clue-mongering?  Now it looks like we're going to have
a slew of "John is dead" clues.  I suppose the next step will be people
seeing John in shopping malls.

I guess this does have a sort of grisly connection to the "Ringo in Vegas"
thread.
From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: The Beatles Live
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:19:58 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Aug31.054311.27338@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:

>CGARNER@cmsa.gmr.com wrote:
>: 
>: Flame Generator: George on the other hand, doesnt seem to have the technique
>: one would expect from a man of his stature.  I love his studio leads, from his
>: clever early fills (CBML, etc), his mid period Chet Atkins-like stuff (HD,
>: ETTBMB, IDWTSTP etc) to his later more adventurous endeavors (SFF, FAH, ST,
>: OANS etc).  But, his live solos seem to have a 50% chance of noodling off
>: to nowhere (KC/HHH fron Star Club, CBML, AHDN both taped form the radio
>: so I don't know the specific origins, are live and quite frankly embarassing).
>: I'm not trying to be derogatory (sp), I'm just trying to be objective.
>: I think Georges songs represent some of the best form the later period
>: (HCTS, S, WMGGW, BJW).But live ???

>Playing solos vs. rythym backing are two very different things, kinda like the
>difference between leading a chant & following along.  When you play
>backup guitar, you aready know more or less what you are going to do.  In 
>a jam session, which I'm fairly certain is how George looked at these, you
>usually try to stay spontaneous, and try something new each time.  Obviously,
>it doesn't always work (Much more for me than George, obviously).  Sometimes
>the guitar break comes out really good, sometimes it just peters out to 
>garbage.  It's just a sign that he was experimenting on stage, which is not`
>a bad thing, IMHO.

Having listened to my Star-Club album again, I have to agree that George's
lead playing seems to be rather weak at this stage.  I had originally
thought that he may have just been having an off night. (It happens.)
But from these other posts, I get the feeling that it was closer to the
norm.  To my own humble ears, it doesn't sound like he's trying to be
spontaneous, it just sounds like he's trying desparately to find the
right notes I-)

					James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all.}
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Inane question re: _Yellow Submarine_
Date: 4 Sep 1992 04:29:04 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu

mccombj@alleg.edu (Joseph McCombs) writes:
|It's been years since last I saw the movie "Yellow Submarine," so I need  
|help remembering something.  There's one character -- the one with all the  
|knowledge -- who says something like "...quid pro quo / So little time, so  
|much to know..."
|
|2) What in the world was the characters' name?

Gee, am I really the first to answer this?  Jeremy Hilary Boob, PhD.

(Sorry, I don't remember any more than you do about what he says.
But the Beatles sing "Nowhere Man" to/about him, in the movie, I think.)
From: "gord armstrong" <gord.armstrong@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: re:badfinger
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:13:19 EST
Reply-To: "gord armstrong" <gord.armstrong@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

>In article <9910001@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mike-b@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM
>(Michael Bishop) writes:
>>Anyone know when Badfinger's album "Straight Up" is due out on CD?
>>I always thought it was their best.
>>
>>Michael Bishop
>>Hewlett-Packard Company
>>Internet: mike-b@fc.hp.com

>Reply from: yyz@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (donald.w.coons)
>There is a radio station in Chicago (97.9 WLUP) that has a CD info
>hotline. I called them a month ago for the same info and they told
>me October was the release date of Straight Up. No Dice is out on
>CD now (their first album). Anybody bought this yet, I was wondering
>if it contained Can't Live which was a number one hit for Harry
>Nielsen

Great! The "LIVE Day After Day" CD must have sold well. I agree,
"Straight Up" was the best followed by "Wish You Were Here".
(not to be confused with Pink Floyds album, Badfingers was first!)
Anyone have Badfinger on video?
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From: prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Abbey Road Cover - What does it mean?
Date: 30 Aug 92 04:10:55 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Aug30.092351.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au> c8906822@cc.newcastle.edu.au writes:
>We came to the uncertain conclusion that George, wearing his denim 
>jeans and what looks like denim shirt was representing the grave digger in his
>work clothes, Paul being the corpse, Ringo in his black suit being the
>undertaker, and John in his all white suit we weren't sure about. Anyway, if
>anybody has read or heard or has an opinion, let's "hear" it.

Reading this after the LAST post (the one about how we're basically
polite and kind-hearted) made me turn off the torch.  Actually, I guess
it's inevitable that around this time of year, when everyone's coming
back to school and some people get accounts and newsgroups for the first
time, that old subjects like this pop up again ...

Anyway, enough of my psycho-babble ...

John's supposed to be an angel, or maybe even God ...  At least, that's 
what I've always believed ...

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From: mlemmerm@nl.oracle.com (Mick Lemmerman Publisher)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Abbey Road
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:07:58 GMT
Reply-To: mlemmerm@oracle.nl (Mick Lemmerman)
Organization: Oracle Europe

In article <1992Aug26.064948.12614@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio Codogno) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.035749.8120@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> CS19240760T@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (VURGUN, SINAN) writes:
>>
>>	On the back of the Abbey Road album there is a picture
>>	of a wall with The Beatles written on top and Abbey Road 
>>	written below it which has an N following it. I presumed 
>>	that the N is the beginning of a new word. Could somebody
>>	please tell me what that word is or what the N stands for.
>
>
>N should be the first letter of the postal zone of Abbey Road. In
>London, zip codes have the first 2/3 characters indicating the compass
>direction and the relative distance from center. Abbey Road should be
>NW1 , if I recall it correctly.
> 
>BTW, when I had been in London I did say an "Abbey Road" street 
>indicator. Is it the right one, or just a fake???
> ciao! .mau.

Right, the N does stand for North. 

If by "street indicator" you mean "street sign" (transatlantic language
problem here), and it wasn't attached to the wall, there is a small
possibility that it is a genuine Abbey Rd street sign; they're detached
and stolen regularly by fans. However, it can't be the original, that
disappeared years ago.

I used to live at the end of Abbey Rd. A problem during the tourist
season was avoiding driving into groups of tourists standing on the
crossing, trying to emulate the album cover for a friend with a 
camera standing in the middle of the road.

Mick

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: machman@milton.u.washington.edu (The Machman)
Subject: Re: Background vocals on "3 Legs" from McCartney's RAM LP...
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:35:48 GMT

jbeer@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jason R. Beerhalter) writes:

>     You know that part of the song where he says,"When I fly, when I fly,
>     when I fly, when I fly above the clouds" and the background follows
>     with "When I fly above the ????? clouds..." Can someone fill in the
>     blank for me?

"when i fly above the maddening clouds"?  something like that.


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From: gdridle@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Guy D. Ridley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: George's last tour
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:07:17 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell

In article <92240.101310BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu>, <BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu> writes:
> When George toured last time who was the guitarist he brought with him.  
>  ... it could have been Robben Ford ...  
 
If you mean 1974, yes it was Robben Ford.
 

Guy Ridley
From: jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Innovation (was: The Beatles Live)
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:39:13 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

Excellent rebuttal, Richard, the bulk of which I agree with except...

>   Finally, Richard, there is one very important player you omitted:
>   Chuck Berry. 
>
>Influential, possibly, but not really innovative. His playing was
>pretty derivative of the r&b style of rhythm guitar. It was as a
>songwriter and performer that Chuck Berry was important, not as a
>guitar player.

Not as a guitar player, but of a rock & roll progression.  Yes,
Berry was important in the two areas you cited, but to me, many
Chuck Berry songs (Johnny B. Goode, for example) *define* 
rock & roll.  Those chord progressions are one of the first things
any rock player would learn.  Influencial? Definitely.

Bo Diddley, to me, is more notable for his backbeat rhythm than
a guitarist.  For the record, I've seen both Diddley and Berry
live, and while they were obviously past their prime, Diddley
appeared to regurgitate that same beat over and over (not that
I'm complaining:-).

>But the really significant guitarists in early rock came
>from the other side of the fence, the rockabilly side.  George owes
>lots more to Carl Perkins than he does to Chuck Berry.

That I agree with, along with Duane Eddy, and the majority of the early
Sun Records artists.  

Perhaps I'm off-base here, but it seems like you're not giving the
virtuoso side the credit due.  Hendrix and many others brought
virtuosity to rock & roll, expanding it's musical limits.  Granted,
there are times when a solo may appear out of place, or pushes
its purpose too far, but the late 60s brought a looser, more
expansive sound to rock in general.  While SGT. PEPPER may arguably
be the most important psychedelic record ever created in the
studio, there is noticably a looser sound on the subsequent BEATLES,
and even in spots on the otherwise-slick ABBEY ROAD.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: RJS@USLVM.USL.EDU
Subject: Re: Elmore James & George
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:34:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.173702.25912@brtph560.bnr.ca>
n5ppm264 (Charlie Board) writes:
 
>
>This weekend i bougt the new 2-CD Elmore James package "King Of The Slide
>Guitar" (a fantastic collection btw). Anyway, on the way home I a beatle song
>snippet popped into my head. It's a spoken aside right after a guitar solo,
>in which George(?) says something like "Elmore James got nothing on this
>fellow".  can anyone tell me which song this was? It's been bugging me for 2
>days now. Thanks.
>
I think that it's from Old Brown Shoe.
From: thompson@gumby.mgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Welcome - final
Date: 30 Aug 92 21:55:01 GMT
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Aug30.180220.24955@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood) writes:

> Michal Szleper spews... 

   [much deleted] 

>>You see, I'm just a simple high energy physicist (out of lots
>>every corner). I have no education in the field of music.
>  
> Read her posts sometime, Michal.  You'll get one.  

Come on guys, you're getting fly-ash all over my keyboard. Can't we get
back to Beatletalk?
  
>>Frankly, I don't understand many of your advanced topics, like
>>"Is there D7 or E7 in *Strawberry Fields*", or "Does Paul's
>>voice crack badly in the second 'love in vain'".
>  
> Then, Michal, I don't know if this is the newsgroup for you [...]

Huh? I've never played a guitar, either. Do I have to pick up my marbles
and go home? Lots of us tin-eared folks love this group.


MOKO
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From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Elmore James & George
Date: 2 Sep 92 04:52:40 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Everybody writes:

>In article <1992Aug31.173702.25912@brtph560.bnr.ca> n5ppm264 (Charlie Board) writes:
>>This weekend i bougt the new 2-CD Elmore James package "King Of The Slide
>>Guitar" (a fantastic collection btw). Anyway, on the way home I a beatle song
>>snippet popped into my head. It's a spoken aside right after a guitar solo,
>>in which George(?) says something like "Elmore James got nothing on this
>>fellow".  can anyone tell me which song this was? It's been bugging me for 2
>>days now. Thanks.

>"Elmore James got nothing on this baby."
>For You Blue - next track to last (before Get Back) on Let It Be.

I don't suppose we've run this one into the ground, have we?
I-)	I-)	I-)

				James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
From: stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: wonderwall
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:47:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA
Originator: stuart@mingus


Yes, George Harrison's "Wonderwall Music" is one of my all-time favorite
obscure albums. It hooked me right from the moment I first heard a few 
tracks from it on my local "underground" FM radio station back in 1968.
I've never seen the film, but my copy of the album has gotten a lot of
play, and there are certain tracks on it that have stayed in my head ever
since I first heard them. Mind you, it's a pretty quirky collection of 
things that Harrison put together very innocently and with a fair amount 
of humor. He was obviously new to the processes of making an album's worth 
of music on his own (without George Martin, John Lennon, or Paul McCartney
watching over him) and of creating a film soundtrack. Listening to it, it's
clear that he primarily took several recordings that he found or taped him-
self in Bombay on his first visit to India (either existing Indian records 
or new tapes of Indian musicians who he met and befriended there, including 
one musician who was largely responsible for the Indian performances, a guy
who was offering him some sitar instruction, but who went uncredited on the 
album). Harrison chose some of these recordings for the film. Then, back in 
London, he blended these recordings with tapes of himself playing various 
little riffs and tunes of his own on assorted instruments (guitar, bass, 
drums, keyboards, percussion), plus he threw in bits and pieces of other 
peculiar old "Western" pop records that he happened to find. The resulting 
album is generally a concoction of alternately Eastern (Indian) and Western
tracks, some seugueing directly into others. The overall effect is very
late 60s-styled fantasy/dream/absurdism. Like a psychedelic circus. The
Western passages tend to be comical and silly, while the Indian passages are
mostly dreamy, ethereal, and mysterious. One exceptional Western passage is
a burning repeating electric guitar riff (apparently played by Eric Clapton)
over bass and drums with a great droning Indian tamboura. This falls in a
medley which Harrison identifies as "Greasy Legs/Skiing/Gat Kirwani". (This
prompted me to name my 1969 garage band "Gat", which puzzled everyone....
including some of the guys in the group.) Note that there really isn't any-
thing on the album that sounds like George Harrison. No vocals (except for
one Indian passage with a male-female duet from some old Indian film). No
distinctive Harrison guitars. Nothing particularly Beatles-like, though some
of the silly stuff conjures up audial images of the music from their '66-'68
experimental days ("When I'm 64", "Within You Without You", "You Know My Name",
"Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite", "I am the Walrus", "Only a Northern Song",
"It's All Too Much", "Honey Pie", "Wild Honey Pie"....). It's still a great 
piece of the times. 
                                        -stuart@apollo.hp.com
From: prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Slide guitar (was Re: Elmore James & George)
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:08:11 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Sep2.102038.12664@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
>OK, but who played the GREAT slide Dobro on "Crippled Inside"?  I always assumed
>it was George doing a guest appearance, but was it John?

That was George, and he's creditted in the notes.  He plays considerably
on that album (on "How Do You Sleep?" and "Oh My Love" as well, for example).

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