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From: yee@mipg.upenn.edu (Conway Yee)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: Bond movies: the best & the worst
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:55:28 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

>I was very happy to find this BBS

This is not a BBS, it is a newsgroup.

>(What is the deal with Felix being EATEN BY SHARKS???
> Who are the ad wizards who thought of this one?

Hate to break it to you but it was I. Fleming's idea.  As far as I am
concerned, Fleming's novels are canon (i.e. the tryth).  The Bond movies 
are fictionalizations of what really happened.

The note that Bond read was, "He disagreed with something that ate him."
(or something like that).

I forget the novel in which this happened.


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From: tvorst@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Tommy Che Vorst)
Subject: best Bond babe
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:36:29 GMT

Come on, you guys!  You're missing some of the most obvious choices!  For
sheer beauty, none of the women can match Daniela Bianchi (Tania, FRwL -
also the best film, as it features a train ride).  The overall winner for
pure babe-licity, though, has to be Carole Bouquet (Melina - FYEO)!  Holy
sexy, 007!  Not just gypsy-gorgeous, but lethally vengeful?!  What spirit!
What character! RRRReow!  (Think about it - would you really prefer
Barbara Bach on a bearskin in front of a fire?  I didn't think so.)

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From: dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung)
Subject: Re: Who's older, Connery or Moore?
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 07:24:38 GMT

<TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
>Trivia question:  Who is older, Sean Connery or Roger Moore?
>
>                                            -tom

Don't you mean "TRICK" question?  Connery born 1930, Moore 1927.

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Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 07:20:45 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: Other Bond choices

Anthony Hopkins would have made a great Blofeld, too bad he died in Diamonds
are Forever!  What ever happen to the White Cat?... maybe there is still hope?
A Blofeld comeback?, A Superman comeback?...Then I woke up!

                                          -tom
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Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 15:01:14 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: Blofeld is ALIVE!
 <1992Dec17.220636.5232@news.columbia.edu>

So what exactly constitutes a legitimate "Bond Film?"  Is it Eon Productions?
A Ian Fleming novel? Or can anyone like Burt Reynolds make a legitimate
Bond film? ...by the way, the later sucks Blofeld Balls!
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Blofeld is ALIVE!
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:46:44 GMT


>    I also heard Fleming also wrote eight short Bond stories that were never
>made into movies.  Maybe Michael G. Wilson should get busy and open the doors
>to a television mini series.

Actually, they were. Well, "From A View To A Kill" was turned into a movie
except that the movie had no relevance to the book except the title. "For Your
Eyes Only" and "Risico" turned into the movie FOR YOUR EYES ONLY. The
characters from "The Hildebrand Rarity" were used in LICENSE TO KILL. Milton
Krest wasn't really a bad guy. I wouldn't want dinner with him, of course, 
but as far as good or evil he's a shrewd businessman, I guess. You'd have to
be to be as wealthy as he is I would guess. Was, rather. Take it from there.
That only leaves "Quantum Of Solace" which isn't much of a Bond story but a
story told by a governor in the Caribbean to Bond after Bond comments that
he would rather marry an East Asian person or an airplane stewardess or 
something of that nature. 
From Octopussy And The Living Daylights, "Octopussy" and "The Property Of A
Lady" turned into OCTOPUSSY, but the funny thing is you almost have to have
read the story "Octopussy" to know what Smythe's daughter was talking about.
As for "The Living Daylights," well, that turned into the movie THE LIVING
DAYLIGHTS. So, except for "Quantum Of Solace" I think they beat you to your
suggestion.
I wonder how The SPy Who Loved Me would have turned out. I don't think Broccoli
has rights to that story.


philip

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung)
Subject: Bond flicks from stories (was Re: Blofeld is ALIVE!)
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 07:20:06 GMT

jes@downey.dev.macsch.com (John Schiermeier) writes:
>doylemw@ccs.csus.edu writes:
>>
>>another one ...the last story that Ian Flemming published had 007
>>set up as a sniper...to take out the oppositions (in this case
>>Russian...not SMERSH...but commie) sniper.   007 is set up over lookin

[etc.]

>>but JB does not make a kill...in Flemmings last work.
>>Change of heart?  Not really...after all she was
>>beautiful.

Great line ....

>>(this story line was used in the first JB movie that Dalton starred in)
>>
>This story was "The Living Daylights".  Obviously it wasn't enough for a
>whole movie, but just the opening scene.  That short story, at least in
>the version I read, was bound with another, which described the background
>of the Octopus clan, and the death of Octopussy's father, in "Octopussy".
>If I remember correctly, the book was called "Never Say Never Again", NOT
>"Octopussy", and the movie did not include any of the action from the movie,
>just some info.  But that wouldn't be the first time that the movie had a
>totally different story line from the book.

No, it's "Octopussy and the Living Daylights" which sounds like a
strange rock band.

_Never Say Never Again_ was made up as a title by Sean Connery's wife.

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From: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Blofeld is ALIVE!
Reply-To: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:52:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.143315.19749@b8.b8.ingr.com> anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.220636.5232@news.columbia.edu>, pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>|> 
>|> >Conclusion: Besides, we know the real Blofeld is still alive because he was in
>|> >"Never Say Never Again" and he didn't die, so he is therefore still free to once
>|> >again terrorize the world. Q.E.D.
>|> >
>|> Nope, Never Say Never Again is not part of the series. 
>|> It's legitimately a Bond film, but it doesn't fall in with the other movies.
>|> 
>
>What do you mean it's not part of the series. It is a movie-version of the book
>"Thunderball," by Ian Fleming. If he isn't canon then *nobody* is. It has Sean
>Connery, the original Bond. What else can you want? Oh, you must mean it
>wasn't produced by Albert Broccoli, that movie genius who brought Bond to new
>highs in "Live and Let Die" and "Moonraker." 
>
>Anthony

You just answered it. Never Say Never is a Bond film because James Bond is
the main character in it. That's undeniable. But there is only one series and
the other three films are one-time deals that were interesting to make at the
time and actually Never Say Never turned out to be, in my opinion, better than
all the Moore films except For Your Eyes Only. Actually, now that I think about
it, there isn't a chronological sequence like in the novels, but still,
Never Say Never doesn't fit in at the time of the other movies because there
Bond is old and was put on reserve in the Secret Service. There's a
new M., and everything else is new. So, if anything, this would be the last
or near the last of the films in the series should it ever end, chronologically
speaking.

It's not that I don't like the movie. I don't care really whether or not it is
canon, but I guess it's interesting discussion.

philip
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: Chuck.Lavazzi@launchpad.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi)
Subject: Re: Bond movies: the best & the worst
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:31:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.004839.28342@seas.gwu.edu> alexrh@seas.gwu.edu (Stephen Hellman) writes:
>
>
>
>econd.  For worst, Moonraker receives a resounding nomination with
License to Kill coming in second. (What is the deal with Felix being
EATEN BY SHARKS??? Who are the ad wizards who thought of this one?)
	Um....Ian Fleming.  You may have heard of him; he wrote all the novels
that provided the titles for most of the Bond films and even the story lines
for a few.  The business with Leiter is a direct steal from an incident in
"Live and Let Die".  I'd like to recommend that you read it sometime.
	By the way, this is Usenet, not a "BBS".  And your posts will be 
easier to read if you throw in a carriage return at the end of each line.

Chuck

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From: dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung)
Subject: Re: Other Bond choices
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:02:12 GMT

anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman) writes:
>Hey, maybe it would be a neat idea to have a different Bond in *every* movie,
>that way we could see how various actors would interpret the role.
>
>For example:
>
>Sylvester Stallone - "Hey, Yo, M, yo're the only guy whose name I can spell."
>
>Andrew Dice Clay - "Hey, Yo, Blofeld, I got something you can blow 
>right here. I got a poem for you:
>   Specter, Spectre, what a wrecker
>   Bite my ass and kiss my pecker"

Thanks for the best laugh I got ALL DAY!

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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Favorite Bond Villain -- Hugo Drax
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 03:48:28 GMT


I think Drax was my favorite Bond villain.  "Take good care of Mr. 
Bond.  See that some harm comes to him..."  (or something like that)

Of course, MOONRAKER is also my favorite Bond movie, but then, I also
like the anime DIRTY PAIR, so I have no taste at all...

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From: dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung)
Subject: Re: Pierce Brosnan and Timothy Dalton
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 06:00:09 GMT

simon@wotangate.sc.ti.com (Jean-Yves Simon) writes:
>kim@inquis.enet.dec.com (Howard K.) writes:
>>
>>Timothy Dalton was then the new James Bond in the past two movies.
>>Now I'm hearing rumors that Dalton has been axed as James Bond and replaced
>>with Mel Gibson!
>>
>
>Can anybody tell me if I am dreaming, but I think I heard somewhere that
>Ian Flemming agree to see his books about Bond made into movies at the
>condition that the guy who plays Bond is from the United Kingdom ?
>It's true for the last James Bond: Sean Connery, Roger Moore and
>Timothy Dalton ? Would like to know is this is just a rumor or if
>it is true ?

Well, the VERY FIRST filmed version of a bond story had Bond as an
AMERICAN agent, called "Card Sense Jimmy Bond", with a BRITISH
counterpart in Felix Leiter.  It was a serious adaptation of
_Casino Royale_ and was shown on TV in ca. 1957.

I think that Fleming's estate might have some interest in not 
similarly "Americanizing" Bond.  But I don't think they particularly
would have objections to a decent actor from other than the U.K.
Isn't Pierce Brosnan really Irish?

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Date: Friday, 18 Dec 1992 10:12:25 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Who's older, Connery or Moore?

Trivia question:  Who is older, Sean Connery or Roger Moore?

                                            -tom
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman)
Subject: Blofeld is ALIVE!
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:49:34 GMT

I don't think they really established that Blofeld died in "Diamonds are Forever."
It's been several years since I have been able to make myself sit through this
oh-so-seventies bond flick, but doesn't Bond just whack that little ship Blofeld
is in against the wall a couple of times, then dump it in the water where it
blows up? 

Possibilities:

A. The ship doesn't blow up (I can't remember if it did or not), then Blofeld
could have survived.

B. The ship does blow up, but Blofeld was thrown from it in just the nick of time.

C. The ship does blow up, but there was an ultra-mini escape module within the
mini-escape ship. Therefore, Blofeld escaped to reform Spectre (never mind the 3
billion dollar oil rig loss) to once again terrorize the world.

D. Come on, part of the plot of "Diamonds are Forever" was that there were
Blofeld doubles all over the place. Bond only killed one of the doubles, leaving
the real Blofeld free to once again terrorize the world.

E. BTW, who was that guy Bond kills in the beggining of "For You're Eyes Only?" I
think that's the right movie. You know, the one where Roger Pantywaist Moore uses
the helicopter to pick up that bald guy in the wheelchair (with a white cat,
even) and dumps him into that smokestack. Was *that* the real Blofeld, or another
Blofeld double?

Conclusion: Besides, we know the real Blofeld is still alive because he was in
"Never Say Never Again" and he didn't die, so he is therefore still free to once
again terrorize the world. Q.E.D.

A plot for a new movie? Why not. This time I think Sinead O'Connor ought to play
Blofeld. Hell, she's already got the haircut. (and the temperment)

Anthony
double-O nothing
From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Re: Casino Royale
Date: 12 Dec 92 11:25:30 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

erink@seas.gwu.edu (Erin T. Knight) writes:

>Did anoyone else think that this movie was really odd?  It wasn't all 
>together bad, just wierd.  Like those "Deiter-esque" scenes inside the 
>dance school.  I must say, this was not what I expected.  Talk about 
>artistic license. 

  I heard that it was produced in an extremely odd way as well.  
They used several (maybe 7) different directors, each produced a 
separate segment.  They got actors to appear in it by the following
odd method -  They want to get actors X, Y etc, but they won't do it. 
              so tell X that Y is to be in it, so X agrees to do it
              then tell Y that X will be in it, so Y agrees

Once you realise several different directors were used it explained 
the massive differences between the different segments

Maybe the music was one of the best bits of the show.  Woody Allan
was wasted as this film was made around the time of "What's new Tiger
Lilley", "What's Up Pussycat" and some of Allan's early comedies
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
From: alexrh@seas.gwu.edu (Stephen Hellman)
Subject: Bond movies: the best & the worst
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:48:39 GMT




Having been a Bond fan for many years, I was very happy to find this BBS once I got to college.  I've enjoyed your debates on the best Bond villan, babes, and Felix Leiters.  For the record, I'd like to say that Auric Goldfinger was the best Bond villan, Ursulla Andress from Dr. No receives my vote for best babe, and Jack Lord for best Felix Leiter.  Now I'd to open a debate on the best and worst of James Bond movies.  I'd have to nominate Goldfinger as the best, with For Your Eyes Only coming in a close s
econd.  For worst, Moonraker receives a resounding nomination with License to Kill coming in second. (What is the deal with Felix being EATEN BY SHARKS??? Who are the ad wizards who thought of this one?)

                             --B.A.P.  (not Steven Hellman)
From: yee@mipg.upenn.edu (Conway Yee)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: the thread about Bond women...
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:06:00 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I just thought I'd have to interject a comment into this thread.  The
movie bond women are justifiably called babes.  They are frequently
nothing more than sex toys.

In truth (canon as defined by I. Fleming), Bond women were very strong
capable characters who were quite able to take care of themselves.
Honeychile Ryder, for instance, was quite able to fend for herself
despite very trying circumstances (orphaned and raped at an early age).
The woman in Moonraker (I forget the name), was the one who came up with
the idea which saved Bond from a very patriotic suicide gesture.  She
was the one who redirected the rocket away from London.  All Bond could
think of was to ignite rocket fuel/fumes while standing under the rocket.

Personally, I like the true Bond women.


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From: kim@inquis.enet.dec.com (Howard K.)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.james-bond
Subject: Pierce Brosnan and Timothy Dalton
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:55:52 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

As we all know, Pierce Brosnan was asked to play James Bond after Roger
Moore's disembarking, but alas could not because of his contract with
the show Remington Steele.

Timothy Dalton was then the new James Bond in the past two movies.
Now I'm hearing rumors that Dalton has been axed as James Bond and replaced
with Mel Gibson!

Several questions come to mind:
1. Why (if this is true) was Dalton axed or did he want to leave?
2. If he's leaving, why didn't they try to get Pierce Brosnan again?  He's
not doing anything now (except that role in the Lawnmower Man).

Anyone have any insights? 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.disney.afternoon
From: kstrong@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Captain Clueless)
Subject: Re: DW theme song
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:27:32 GMT

gsbrande@acs.ucalgary.ca (Geoffrey Sean Brandenburg) writes:

>>Thats what I think the song is.  Hope it helps.

>You forgot the second verse:

Probably not.  Some of us unfortunate people who don't get cable see
the DA through a local independant.  I know over here that when Ch. 20
switched to the DA format they cut the second verse, and it sounds
just like what Kat typed.  Kat just gave what was broadcast.  Nothing
was forgotten.

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From: arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Subject: Re: DW theme song
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 05:45:37 GMT

In article <kstrong.724811252@vela>, kstrong@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Captain Clueless) writes:
> gsbrande@acs.ucalgary.ca (Geoffrey Sean Brandenburg) writes:
> 
> >You forgot the second verse:
> 
> Kat just gave what was broadcast.  Nothing was forgotten.

In the syndicated version of Darkwing, only the first verse is
played.  In the Saturday version, both verses are played.  So if
you want to get technical, yes, Kat did leave out the second verse.
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