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From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Flaw in the ointment
              "Michael H. Bloom" at Jan 25, 93 5:32 pm

Bloomdeedoe's propositioned relationship of frequency spectrum to
socioeconomic status [gals, note: on this point he addresses the "guys" cuz us
gals shore don't know shit about relationships exceptin' for that dubhussy
sexhound dingbat Carol] puts ME in a fine kettle of fish.  On his propositioned
teeter-totter where the list-members ride high and the proverbial gas station
attendant rides low, guess where *I* am?  Yeah.  I always have and always will
ride the bass and I'm proud OF it.  And I can change the oil in my 75
Chevy and I'm proud OF it.

But I forgive the Bloomdophorous EVERYTHING because of his wondrous remark,
"Dada always makes you look smarter than you are, which is one of the lingering
charms of those of us of an adolescent persuasion."  Now DAT ain't no ZAPPA
lyric.

Hokay, moving right along.  I was interested in how you would define
"psychedelic music" in MUSICAL terms, i.e. my cute little qualifier in adorable
parens meant precisely that I _didn't_ need to be told that "the music was
often used coincident with the chemicals" (duh).  I want to know
 how you would
define that kind of music _as music_.  Give it another try, huh?

Lazlo... I refer to "the amazing real-life actual correspondence of Lazlo Toth,
American" (by Don Novello).  You gotta read the real McCoy but here's just a
tidbit, a letter  mailed on November 1, 1973 to:

President Richard M. Nixon (the best)
The White House
Washington, D.C.

Dear Mr. President,

Fight!  Fight!  Fight!

I'm with ya!

Sincerely,


Lazlo Toth
voting for Richard M. Nizon
since 1952!

*************
OK, just one more, kids, and then it's bedtime.

March 6, 1974

Mr. H. R. Haldeman
c/o The White House
Washington, D.C.

Dear Mr. Haldeman,

I have always been a fan of yours and have always stuck up for you. However,
after seeing you on television last night I was terribly disappointed.

I believe you are completely innocent but you are hurting your own image with
that long hair.  Just because you lost your job doesn't mean you shouldn't keep
up your appearance!

Maybe if you get a good American flat top like you used to have our President
will find some other job for you.

I don't mean any disrespect.  I just liked you better before.  Didn't you ever
hear the saying, "Don't change boats in the middle of the river"?  The same
goes for hair!  And yours was so nice!  It reminded me of Tab Hunter.

Best of luck.  Stand by our flag!

Still a supporter,


Lazlo Toth
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Date: 22 Jan 1993 07:57:38 GMT
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In a previous article, gmg@ACCESS.DIGEX.COM ("Gary M. Gettier") says:

>1) A PICTURE of yourself (preferably one BRIGHT and SHINY and not real big)
>   This picture will be photo copied and placed in a booklet. Jeff Preston
>   is making up the booklet. In the near future, he will be asking for
>   other information from you. Any photo questions should be directed to
>   him. His address is  bt979@cleveland.freenet.edu

  A bright picture will reproduce better on the photocopies, but if you
are terribly ugly, you may wish to spare us.  ;)  In the case of missing
photos, I will be scanning the trade mags for the most outrageous photos
I can find, so be forewarned: You *may* be misrepresented (see Gary's
attorney for details)!  ;)

  *** IMPORTANT! ***

  If you need to reach me, you would be well-advised *NOT* to depend on
this address; it is often difficult for me to get a connection to this
machine, and sometimes you can't get a port on it for days at a time. So,
my preferred e-mail address is:

  preston@morekypr.morehead-st.edu
  or
  preston@morekypr.bitnet

>2) A self-addressed-stamped-envelope if you want your picture returned to you.

  Yes -- all others become the property of "n.n.", to be added to my own
fambily album.

  A set of questions will follow by early next week... I think it'll be
short and sweet this time (basically a caption for your photo and your
reason for including the tune(s) for the comp tape). So why did Beer sit
out on this one?

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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Marsha sez:
>Ooooh! I think I got it! Let's see....
>
>Who like to talk about their feelings....
>Who's into crystals, into healing....
>Who like to dress like Richard Simmons...
>Who are hard to tell from women....
>Who tape ...thirtysomething... on their VCR's
>Who've got "Child on Board" stickers on their cars...

Well, first of all, I don't have an evil twin.
I am one of the septuplets.  Three of them are evil, three are good.
I'm the black sheep of the family.  ;)

I like to talk about my feelings, isn't that key to a good repoire?
I used to be into crystals, but now I study them at NASA :)
I'm always into healing, because I believe music and E&M waves can
  heal anything.
Richard Simmons is a dink.
Most women don't go bald and have a goatee, so that rules me out.
Hey, thirtysomething was a good show.  Don't knock it.
  In fact, my band used to do a cover of the closing tune
  ("and they danced by the light of the moon....")  :)
I don't have a child, but I guess I have a gazillion things that
  can make one between my legs...  (ooh, sorry about that one)

I think I overdid that one...
Mike.

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well, there's _boiled alive '92_, which is a cassette-only live album.
you might also want to check out something called blue buddha, which is
a percussion-only cassette by robun adnan anders chock full of trance
drumming and other neato-keen stuff (carol - you got this yet? might
fulfill your dumbek fantasies...).

>They do a really cool mix of eastern Euro
>pean, British, and American folk music, with a strong alternative twist to it.
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^

gee, i prefer lemon in my folk, don't you?

woj
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:55:00 CST
From:         The Central Scrutinizer <CV01@SWTEXAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things

   First, thanks to Jeff B. for his extensive reply about jazz vs. rock
drumming.  I'd still be interested to hear Michael's point of view, but he
seems to be ignoring me.  :*)


>Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 11:25:50 CST
>From:         Little Inquisitor <U33963@UICVM.BITNET>
>Subject:      Take-home exam
>
>
>A column by Alex Ross in yesterday's New York Times quotes the composer Alfred
>Schnittke as saying that "comtemporary reality will make it necessary to experi
>ence all the music one had heard since childhood, including rock and jazz and a
>ll other forms, as a synthesis."  If true, the Hegelian assertion is replete wi
>th suggestive possibilities (new idioms and paradigms) but also laden with dang
>ers (homogenization, similarity, loss of identity and the commonplace).  Discus
>s.  Post answers by Super-Bowl day.

   First, I'll leave a discussion focusing on technology for others on the
list.

   Re "popular music": These dangers seem to already be present as the
norm.  Since economics and pandering to the lowest common denominator
already drive the "popular" music arena, I don't expect any real change to
come about in that area.  I expect a continuation of the "catch-of-the-day"
philosophy of "new" music.  In fact, a synthesis of sorts is already in
place in many of the popular genres.  (Witness the crossover "country"
acts; the garage band phenomenon; the Byrds soundalikes, etc. ad nauseum.)
The problem is that in achieving this synthesis, much of the essence that
defined the original forms is lost.  The resulting sound is often a weak
compromise rather than a fresh musical statement.

   Without saying specifically "it's all been done before", musical
expression is prone to returning to elements of previous generations.  Even
if it is created as an outright rejection of the previous sensibilities,
there has been an acknowledgement of those influences.  The attempts to
meld these influences into a "new" form of expression have been
unsatisfying for the most part.  The "traditionalists" decry the
bastardization of the "pure" form, while the folks on the opposite end of
the spectrum don't like the appearance of "stale" ideas.

   Maybe, rather than actually creating a relatively seamless new hybrid,
the future lies in a different way of combining the genres.  What I look
forward to is something along the lines of what John Zorn (or even Praxis)
does.  A "cartoon" (or, to borrow Michael B's word -- "cutup") music that
extracts elements from many different genres in an almost patchwork fashion
(juxtaposition rather than synthesis?).

   So, what am I really trying to say?  I dunno ... maybe that the only way
to create anything new is to acknowledge that there actually isn't any such
thing.

   My brain hurts ...


      bye,
      cmv ("chuckrateez")
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From:         HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Mailbox spam
              27 Jan 1993 22:59:06 EST from <canderso@cln.etc.bc.ca>

On Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:59:06 EST <canderso@cln.etc.bc.ca> said:
>I'm the one who had the full mailbox.  I haven't gone through my mail since
>friday and when I checked it this morning I ran out of memory on my disk in
>the middle of transferring mail.  My disk screwed up and I couldn't get
>help until this afternoon.
>I'M REALLY SORRY I didn't know that it would screw everyone else up.

Chad - it's not you. (As we should be able to see by now, since the crap
has continued to flow this morning.) Chad's in Canada, and the offensive
server that's sending the rejection messages is in California.

Geez, I'm flooded with mail lately - there've been a bunch of messages to
which I want to reply but just no time... maybe later on the weekend.

Paul
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:18:36 +0000
From:         "Out,
              out - you'll not feel the fall-out..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The rain, the park, and other things

>Date: 08 Jan 1993 14:59:58 -0500 (EST)
>From: "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB@MITVMA.BITNET>
>Subject: The rain, the park, and other things
>
>Well, I know Gabriel made two different videos of "Don't Give Up." But one of
>them was just an excuse to stand and embrace KaTe Bush (on camera) for five
>minutes. Ah, the sacrifices one makes for Art :-)
>
>Actually, was this when Jill left him?

        Not exactly. Actually, the first separation between PG and his wife
lasted about 18 months and happened at some point between the 4th album (i.e.
_Security_ in Yankeeland) and _So_. The final separation only took place in
late 1987, when he'd rather drag the ship on Rosanna Arquette's shore. As
everyone probably knows, this relationship didn't last long, either.
        Since we're at it, David Spencer's dull biography of Peter Gabriel
reports (in Jill's words) that when the official couple rejoined they decided
(well, Peter pushed Jill to admit :) ) that the best way for them to get rid
of the Arquette's ghost would be to meet all together. And they did, in a re-
staurant in London. Jill's comment was that this actually made things worse,
since every man in the place was attracted and hit by the actress. She felt
rather pissed off, in the end, for a typically feminine sense of not being at
Rosanna's level as for attractiveness. Whatever the effect, I've always thought
this was a wildly weird way to straighten out a problematic relationship.

        Ciao, Marco

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In article <ALLMUSIC%93012616302688@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> TBUCK@KNOX.BITNET
writes:
>Did you ever get a listen to that Miles CD from November of 1967 in Paris?
>I'm submitting the "Round Midnight" from that CD for the newest allmusic
>compilation.

>And what did you think of the videotape I sent you? The one of Miles live
>in '66, '67, and '68?

those tapes are the greatest.  i just wish the quality was better, but
you can't have everything.  i don't think i heard the 67 paris sets.
i have the one that is later, i think in 69, with jack, chick, wayne,
and dave.

>I never did get back to you about taping some more Miles for me; I really
>should. Bought Big Fun the other day and simply love side 3, the one that
>sounds like Jack Johnson's first cousin. What other Miles stuff can I get
>that sounds like JJ? I've got In A Silent Way, and it's like a mellow JJ.
>What about the second album of Directions? I've heard the first album, but
>the library's copy was missing the second one. If you have Directions, I'd
>sure love a copy of that. I'm really starting to get into the late 60's
>early 70's Miles stuff more. (With the exception of Bitches Brew which I
>still can't listen to very much, but haven't listened to it in months, so I
>should really try again.)

there isn't that much, i.e. with the bare bones quartet.  about all you
can do is make sure you have Water Babies, Circle In The Round, and
Directions.  I don't know what side Ascent is, but that is a beautiful
ballad.  The rest of the stuff is quite nice.  You know it is from the
Silent Way/Bitches Brew/Live-eviL period, but it isn't anything like
any of that.  I don't have it on vinyl,
I had a friend of mine send me a cassette dub when I was still in
Europe.  So I never bought it on vinyl, and I am hoping they put it out
on CD like they have with Circle In The Round.  I haven't seen that even
as an import, although I am certain it exists.  It has a tune called
Willie Nelson, the second of the 3 Miles' Nelsons.  Can you name the
other two?

Jeff
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From:         guest <GUEST@TRBILUN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: David Murray

Sorry for late reply, but selected David Murry discography is given
below:

Flowers For Albert              (India Navigation)
Low Class Conpiracy             (Adelphi)
Wildflowers                     (Douglas)
London Concerts                 (Cadillac)
Ming                            (Black Saint)
Home                            (Black Saint)
Murray's Steps                  (Black Saint)
Moring Song                     (Black Saint)
Live At 'Sweet Basil'           (Black Saint)


with World Saxophone Quartet

Point of No Return              (Moers Music)
Live In Zurich                  (Black Saint)


with Clarinet Summit

Clarinet Summit: In Concert At the  Public Theater      (India Navigation)

Hope, this will help.

--Sina Hakman
guest@trbilun.bitnet
Ankara, Turkey
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From:         "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB@MITVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      A Beautiful Western Saddle

It was waiting for me in the mail when I got home. This is the Curlew disc
of song settings of Paul Haines poems, sung by Amy Denio. It's magnificent.
You all want this record, especially woj. Marsha, they even start out with
an a cappella number, just for you.
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From:         The Central Scrutinizer <CV01@SWTEXAS.BITNET>
Subject:      The Darlings = The Dillards

   That's all -- I just thought I'd send an irritating two-line post
with no quoting from the original text or anything.  :*)  We now return
you to your regularly scheduled programming, which is already in progress.


      bye,
      cmv ("chuckrateez")
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From:         RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject:      Foolin' Around

The Bloomfidodido said:

>No, the name of the band was the Fools. They're still around, or at least
>they had a record out last year called _Show 'Em You're Nuts_, which had a
>cover drawing of a flasher (showing 'em his nuts, get it?). I think they're
>a power trio plus singer. They don't do such obvious parodies any more-- I
>believe they no longer do parodies at all-- but they're still supposed to be
>real funny.

Was this the same band that had an album called _Sold Out_ back in 1980? Had
songs like "Mutual of Omaha", "I Won't Grow Up" and "Night Out". Nothing great,
but OK. I think they had 5 members back then. I only ask because they didn't
strike me as a band that would still be around today...

Bob Tee
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From:         Little Inquisitor <U33963@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Take-home exam

A column by Alex Ross in yesterday's New York Times quotes the composer Alfred
Schnittke as saying that "comtemporary reality will make it necessary to experi
ence all the music one had heard since childhood, including rock and jazz and a
ll other forms, as a synthesis."  If true, the Hegelian assertion is replete wi
th suggestive possibilities (new idioms and paradigms) but also laden with dang
ers (homogenization, similarity, loss of identity and the commonplace).  Discus
s.  Post answers by Super-Bowl day.

Renato (who'll let the grading be done by Allmusicdom)
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Gary sed:

>> Andrew, being the type who likes good girls who go sexy, casts his vote
>> for Debbie Gibson. It's amazing what happens to a person once she hits
>> drinking age.
>>
>> ----------
>>       If you consider people's everyday lives to be rubbish,
>>       then there's something wrong with you!
>>                         --Deborah Gibson (_Between the Lines_)


>Wow! The Rev. Bob is gonna be doing backflips when he sees this one.
>And look Bob! he even called her Deborah! Bob's got a woodie, I know it.
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ummm... tell Bob to call me.  I have a job for him.

My favorite songwriter?  Richard Thompson of course!

OMC: I saw a Matt Johnson CD entitled _Conversations_.  Is this the same
     Matt Johnson from the The??

Luv,
Libby Doe, another good catholic girl whose gone sexy...  ;*)

"That Deborah Gibson quote has got to be one of the most profound things
I've ever heard.  Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ha ha ha........ *snort*!  %-}
                             - Libby Doe (_Between the Sheets_)
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:31:21 -0500
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      Oh PDQ Calcutta

   Heard an odd thing on NPR today:  Peter Scnittke(sp?), aka PDQ Bach,
wrote some of the music for the musical Oh Calcutta (remembered for
it's nudity more than anything else).

   If Alternative is *not* mainstream, then what is?

   And, hey newbie!  Perry Como?!!!  :-)

   Sonia Psychedelic:  Think psyche for that psyche. sound.  The sound of
multi-colored thoughts accelerating around inside your heard (that's a typo,
I meant head, but I like heard better), occasionally escaping to bounce gently
in space, then to scream away at light-speed, laughing hysterically.  The
sound of extreme detachment and extreme attachment.....A thick, distorted,
fuzzy guitar sound helps too :-)  If you don't mind getting too mystically-eyed,
it's the sound of tapping into the energy of the universe, sort of along
the line of New Age music :-)  Everybody now.....NOT!

  Whew, time for some air.

Russ
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              20 Jan 1993 17:07:24 EST from <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>

On Wed, 20 Jan 1993 17:07:24 EST Scott Hammer said:
>This is an absolutely fabulous lineup for those of us who like this kind
>of music:
 Raffi <==================  fabulous

Is this the same Raffi that does children's songs.......L.W.
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>Who's your favorite songwriters (have we covered this yet, probally so)

Andrew, being the type who likes good girls who go sexy, casts his vote
for Debbie Gibson. It's amazing what happens to a person once she hits
drinking age.

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      then there's something wrong with you!
                        --Deborah Gibson (_Between the Lines_)
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Subject:      Re: Take-home exam

Les Miz & Phantom of the Opera? "Successful" syntheses of pop &
CLASSICAL? Lord, my chains are heavy; do I have to treat the poor
list to another adjective-studded screech about what an obscene
hack Andrew Lloyd Webber is? Please, Tim, don't bring this ugly
farago on us all again..
Michael
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