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From: sture@lulea.trab.se (Sture Jonsson)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: LP Sales (Was:.Re: The end of cassettes)
Date: 21 Nov 92 15:29:53 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Aurorum 6, 951 75 Lulea, Sweden
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fineberg@win31.nas.nasa.gov (Samuel A. Fineberg) writes:
: In article <WOOD.92Nov19082229@wood.uk.tele.nokia.fi> wood@uk.tele.nokia.fi (Peter Wood) writes:
: >>>>>> On Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:24:13 GMT, myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) said:
: >
: >LP sales are actually going UP in Japan, by an order of something like 30 or
: >40% this year over last, admittedly from a very small base.  Apparently
: >Japanese audiophiles are now discovering what we've known for years...
: >
: Yes, the Japanese now know what we have known for years, that there are a lot
: of audiophilles out there with more money than brains.
: 
: Sam

More money than brains ? So what is buying CD:s then ? 1.5 times the price of
an LP for getting the same thing (except that it also sounds worse in at
least 99 cases out of a 100).

CD is the perfect example that with fierce marketing people will buy anything.

LISTEN and enjoy,
Sture
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From: wwein@scott.skidmore.edu (warren wein)
Subject: Re: Sony discmen
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:20:11 GMT

	The 808k has DSP and runs off of 2 AA batteries whereas the
802k does without the DSP and uses 4 AA batteries.  So if you wanted
better sound in a lighter weight unit then the 808k is for you.

wwein@skidmore.edu
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From: mcvey@mprgate.mpr.ca (Iain McVey)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: New Digital Audio Formats
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:14:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: mprgate.1992Nov23.181430.21421
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada

There has been a lot of talk about the new digital audio formats, and I am
to understand that fewer bits per sample are being used.  I was wondering
what has suffered here;  Dynamic range, or resolution?

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From: mfleeter@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S Fleeter)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: FOR SALE: D-35 Discman
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:59:59 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

For sale:  Sony D-35 Discman.

4 months old.  Been played 3 times.  I just don't use it.
It is loaded.  It has 8 times oversampling, digital filter,
edit, time fade, program, fader, shuffle, auto space, repeat,
A-B repeat, direct controls on fron of unit, clock, alarm,
sleep timer, mega bass, and a carrying case.

I paid $350 for it 4 months ago.

I'd like to get $250 for it.  It is in perfect condition with
original box and everything.  It is easily hooked up to a
stereo.  It came with the cable.

Thanks,
Mike
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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Hi Fi VCR for taping audio FM? (Re: A Timer/Recorder for AM/FM Radio?)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:08:15 GMT

In article <1451@eouk8.eoe.co.uk> dhembrow@eoe.co.uk (David Hembrow) writes:

>Also, most ( if not all ) HiFi videos allow recording sound only from
>an external source. For instance, mine allows 8 hours of sound recording
>with no picture. This is great for recording from the radio ( hint - if
>you can record a 'simulcast' then you can record anything from any source
>including radio ).

Well, I just opened the box of my brand-new Samsung Hi Fi VCR and 
had a peek in the manual. No mention of audio recording at all. Hmm..
theres a switch to choose antenna input or audio/video in lines, but
I wonder if said switch will work when I tell the thing to start re-
cording next Saturday come 9 pm (Thistle and Shamrock) when I have my
little boombox hooked up to said audio in lines. One of the parameters 
for timed recordings is the TV channel. Oh well.. we'll see. If not 
the thing goes back from whence it came.


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From: brianw@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Brian Jerome Wills)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Sub high-pass x-over
Date: 21 Nov 1992 00:38:58 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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Summary: Sub high-pass x-over questions

I have just rebuilt a subwoofer by making a new cabinet and by tossing the 
200Hz crossover for a 120Hz crossover.  The high-pass section of my crossover
was just a couple of capacitors.  According to the guy who has been helping
me with this sub, you can't properly cross over the sub to the satellites 
using this method becuase you will alter the values of the capacitors in the 
satellites.  Skimming ahead in my Engg Phys text book seems to confirm this
were hooking the caps in series or parallel alters the overall capacitance
which would suggest that the tweeters in my old Infinity SM100's were not
crossing over at the right frequency.

The Infinitys are gone and in their place are a pair of Snell KII's that allow
bi-wiring so I think I can crossover from the sub to the satellites without
disturbing the crossover frequency of the tweeter.

The question:  Is this something I really need to worry about as I really didn'thear a difference with my Infinitys except before I got rid of them, I wasn't
using the high-pass.  If so, how can I cheaply crossover to the satellites
(less than $80)?  Does anybody have any experience with this problem? 

I am curious how all those subs that you see correctly high-pass to the
satellites without screwing up the satellites' crossover.  In other words,
how do you isolate it so it won't screw things up?

Thanks for you patience!

brianw@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
From: rhoads@riches.rutgers.edu (Glenn Rhoads)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: CD laser lens cleaner?
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:17:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
Cc: rhoads


I've been using a disk that is supposed to clean the laser lens of CD
players.  I've heard recently that such disks do damage to the laser
lens.  Is this true?  Should I stop using my cleaning disk before
doing further damage or is it OK to keep using it?  Responses will be
appreciated.

-- Glenn Rhoads
From: brianw@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Brian Jerome Wills)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Need help on choosing < $700 speakers
Date: 23 Nov 1992 10:18:50 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

randyd@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Randall Elton Ding) writes:

>In article <1992Nov23.012244.27637@leland.Stanford.EDU> bosco@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Bosco) writes:
>>Well, as the title says, I'm looking for speakers in the $ 600 - $700 
>>these speakers are going to be an integral part of my living room, which 
>>consists of mostly modern furniture, I'm looking for floor standing, black
>>speakers.  I guess smaller speakers with stands would be OK, but I definitely
>>don't want oak or wood grain speakers (my fiancee would kill me :-) ).

>The only way you can get semi good speakers for that price is to buy
>a quality kit and build them yourself.  

Are you implying that my $475 a pair Snell KII's are not even semi good?


I beg to differ.  To say that you can't get a good pair of speakers for
$700 is either snobbish and/or a sign of lack of knowledge of what good is.
I have heard $100 speakers and $10000 speakers and I would have to disagree
that good has anything whatsoever to do with price.

brianw@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
From: couch@a1.relay.upenn.edu (Randall Couch)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Selling B&W Matrix 3 speakers
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:56:54 GMT
Followup-To: rec.audio
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

FOR SALE:

B&W Matrix 3 digital monitors (floorstanding w/optional spikes)

-Black ash finish
-43Hz to 35kHz frequency response
-3-way acoustic suspension:
  8-inch bass
		8-inch midrange  (both polypropylene cones on Kapton formers)
  1-inch ferrofluid-cooled polyamide dome tweeter

Easy to drive (50-200 Watts RMS)
	-Nominal impedance 4 ohms
 -Sensitivity 90dB

Height 36", Width 10", Depth 16"

These speakers produce tight, well-controlled bass, smooth midrange, 
have excellent high-end extension and high volume-handling capacity.
Well-mannered for chamber music and clean for high-powered rock.
Cabinets are rock-rigid resulting in almost no "boxy" coloration.

Great sound for the price.

Original shipping cartons, packing, and documentation included.

Original price:  $2100.00

WHY? I'm selling to make way for an upgrade to higher-end gear.
     (the audiophile disease)

PRICE:  $750.00

Send e-mail to couch@a1.relay or call 215/898-6243 (days) to arrange an 
audition or (for those who know what they want) a transaction.

If you're interested, don't delay.  These won't stay around long.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: ssmithap@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Searching for 24 Channels
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:20:49 GMT


HI,

I'm using a friend's account to post the following to you.

The church I attend is looking to purchase a new mixer as an upgrade to the
8-channel model presently used.  We would dearly like to extend  to 24 
channels but we have a limited budget of $5000 Australian at best!  Yamaha
sell a nice 16 channel model in the MC series for around $2500 Australian.
They also sell a 24 channel model in the MR series for over $7000 Australian.
I can't understand why the 24 channel is more than double the price of the 
16 channel - unless the performance specs are significantly better.  There 
seems to be a large price jump from 16 to 24 channels.  A local retailer 
claims Yamaha don't make a 24 channel MC mixer, but I would think someone
would make a moderate 24 channel - similar specs and features to the MC 
series to fill the gap in the market, for around $4500 Australian say.

As a guideline to our requirements we would need:
          - usual pad/gain control.
          - quasi-parametric EQ (ie sweepable mid-band frequency) as on MC.
          - at least 3 independent sends for foldback/recording (hopefully
            pre/post fade selectable)
          - 4 subgroups
          - prefade listen (headphone monitor)
The MC series is perfectly suitable - if only there was a 24 channel MC.

The mixer would be used for live mixing of speech, choir, soloists, piano,
organ, synths, guitars (6 string and bass), drums (accoustic and electric),
flute, clarinet, trombone - not all at once! We have a roster.

In particular, we have been considering Allen & Heath, Tascam and Yamaha.
We're not sure about Allen & Heath but they have a 4 band EQ instead of a
sweepable midband which is a possible drawback.  Tascam sounds OK (a bit 
white-noisy) but is knobs are tiny.  We tend to favour Yamaha.

Thankyou for taking the time to read this.  Any suggestions on a mixer that
might be suitable, 16 or 24 channels, or to point out some which aren't worth 
considering would be greatly valued.  Please post your replies or EMAIL this 
account.

Nathanael Rensen.



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From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: DCC -- JUST SAY NO!  (was: The end of cassettes,
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:57:02 GMT
Reply-To: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.audio, caro@adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) writes:
>Let's be clear here.  Everything I've read about DCC indicates that all
>recorders will have the SCMS (Serial Copy Management System) for DIGITAL
>to DIGITAL copying. ...

>If you're talking DIGITAL to ANALOG copying, then yes, each ANALOG
>generation will introduce noise and degrade the quality of the
>recording.  SCMS does not apply to analog copying -- the inherent
>limitations of the technology are sufficient.

Let's be clear here.  If you make a DIGITAL to DIGITAL copy from
one DCC (or MD) to another, you don't get a perfect copy of the
tape either.  This is because the data on the tape has to be
converted to the format of the interface (i.e. uncompressed) and
then converted back again.  And we are being told that these
compression algorithms add more noise to the signal every time you
do this.

Curt
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From: umhaugh0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Bruce A. Haugh)
Subject: Re: Headphones - Sony/Sennheiser?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:23:20 GMT

In <1992Nov17.214343.29386@cs.ucla.edu> rajeev@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Rajeev Gupta) writes:

>I am planning to buy a pair of headphones to go with my Kenwood stereo
>system (receiver KR-V8040 and other components).

>I have looked at the Sony MDR-V6 ($69.50) and Sennheiser HD-150II (?)
>($79.50).  Here's how I compare them -

>Sony MDR-V6:
>	- more comfortable ear pads
>	- sleek looks
>	- lower THD
>	- cheaper by $10

>Sennheiser HD-150II (?):
>	- slightly better sound
>	- straight wire (as opposed to the coiled one in Sony)
>	- replaceable components, such as detachable speakers, pads etc.

>What have been your experiences with these headphones?  Are there any
>others I should consider too?

>Thanks.

>-- Rajeev

Has anybody tried Denon's Pro series headphones like the one available
from Cambrige Soundworks?  I forget the exact model number but it
goes for $75.

Bruce

From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:45:07 GMT
Subject: Re: Re:
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.audio


> I just got done reading the review of the Philips DCC900 DCC deck in
> this month's Stereo Review (everyone interested in DCC and MD should
> pick up a copy of this).  The reviewer concludes: "...anyone who
> expects to find that perceptual coding is hokum, or that their ears
> transcend the physiological constraints upon which it is based, will be
> shocked by the very high-fidelity sound DCC actually delivers.  There
> is..............
>

I take these reviews like I do coded secret messages that one would give
to the police if a loved one had a gun pointed at their head.

SR said pretty much the same thing about Paradigm Titan speakers.  I decoded
it to read "pretty damn amazing sound considering all the limitations a
$100 speaker has".  Substitute "$100 speaker" with DCC and you have my
decoded review.  Question is, even if it is "pretty damn amazing sound given 
all DCCs limitations, do you want to add the sound of $100 to your system?"
If you are using $100 speakers, DCC is great.  If you are using $20,000
speakers then stick to records.  Somewhere in between, then you have to 
listen for yourself to decide.

"Really good" equipment gets compared to stuff costing 2 to 3 times the price
to point out the "flaws" in the reviewed equipment.  I read a review of a
B&K tuner/preamp and they NEVER mentioned how it sounded, just raved about
"how easy it was to use", etc.  while the Acurus preamp they reviewed was
compared to some really expensive stuff.   Wannna guess which preamp they
felt sounded better?

Kirk out
From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: DAT and SCMS, some info
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:50:23
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
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In-reply-to: whs70@dancer.cc.bellcore.com's message of 19 Nov 92 22:34:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.223410.21621@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> whs70@dancer.cc.bellcore.com (sohl,william h) writes:

   In article <RLK.92Nov19155321@underprize.think.com> rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz) writes:
   >I'm curious as to whether the HRRA forbids record companies from putting
   >an SCMS 10 code (no digital copies) on digital media?

   A recording company is under no legal obligation to code original
   material as uncopieable or otherwise.  In other words, if someone
   wants to sell a CD or DAT tape which doesn't prohibit multiple
   generations of copying, then the producer/originator of that CD
   or DAT is perfectly free to encode the SCMS with an 00 coding
   for unlimited copying.  

I understand that.  My question is whether a record company is legally
prohibited from using the 10 code, forbidding ANY copying.
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From: whs70@dancer.cc.bellcore.com (sohl,william h)
Subject: Re: DCC -- JUST SAY NO!  (was: The end of cassettes,
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 04:12:31 GMT

In article <27604@oasys.dt.navy.mil> curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch) writes:
>What the record companies don't like is loosing their market because
>people are copying their friends music instead of buying it from them.
>With DCC, the record companies I think are expecting a law to be passed
>that will add a tax to blank media.  The important factor here is not
>that they will get this money, but that this will rase the cost of
>blank media, so it will make it less likely for people to copy instead
>of buying new music.

If DCC is a digital audio medium, isn't the existing Home Recording
Rights Act of 1991 applicable to DCC (and MD) tape?  Now, I still
think paying royalties on blank tape is a bunch of crap, but at
the moment, the tax is still a few cents, so I can't see the royalty
tax being an impediment (cost wise) to the continued copying of
borrowed CDs, records, etc.

>Sony isn't as worred about this with the MD, because blank media for
>the MD is more costly to produce than pre-recorded media (for technical
>reasons - not political).  I think the initial list price of blank media
>will actually be greater than the cost of pre-recorded media.

If that's true, that should be the kiss of death for that medium.

>You could still buy one blank disk, and copy the few soungs you liked
>from 4 or 5 or your friends CDs and save money, but at least the higher
>price would greatly reduce the amount of copying done.

If the costs of blank tape are too high, any medium will not make
a significant dent in the analog cassette market.  If DCC and MD tapes
are more expensive than DAT, then DAT will likely survive and perhaps
become the digital tape standard over the other two.

>A one paragraph note in last month's Mix implyed that the release of MD
>might beat the release of DCC in the US because the record companies
>would not start selling DCC until this law was passed - and it looked
>like the law wasn't going to be passed as soon as had previously been
>expected.  I'm not familiar with this law.  Does anyone know what's
>being done?

Well, I've seen several DCC commercials in the last few days, so
I guess it is making its debut now.
ALSO...
See my earlier reference above to the already existing HRRA which
introduced the royalty tax on ALL digital audio mediums.

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From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: DCC -- JUST SAY NO!  (was: The end of cassettes,
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:39:30 GMT

In article <27604@oasys.dt.navy.mil> curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)  
writes:
> In rec.audio, jeh@cmkrnl.com writes:
> >If you want near-CD audio in the car, why not just install a CD player  
or
> >changer?
> 
> I have a car CD player (because a car DAT player cost too much).  I'd
> love to have an MD player instead because of the size of the MD vs the
> size of the CD.  CD's are too big, and too hard to handle.  They are
> a fine size for home use, but in the car, it's hard to switch CDs while
> driving (and drinking a coke, eating a Big Mac and talking on the phone
> all at the same time).  I've got it down to an art form, but still, I'd
> prefer MDs any day.
> 
The other big advantage to either DCC or MD in the car (and I'm toying  
with DAT since we have an SV-3700) is that you can compile your own tapes.  
I'm very picky about what I like to hear in the car, and I prefer to make  
compilations (either by artist or by genre). I don't recall who, but some  
musician made a quote along the lines of "...but in your car it has to  
*rock*". I tend to agree with that. So far I've been doing this on  
cassette of course, but I'm getting tired of crummy sound and highly  
destructable tapes.

I want something that is recordable, sounds better than cassette and holds  
up to the harsh environment of a car. That will probaly end up meaing MD.

For home recording I'll continue to use DAT.

Gordon
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From: gburton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Garland O Burton)
Subject: group faq
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:54:27 GMT

the faq should be a product of the group.  not any individual.
it seems that the questions that should be included will need to
be decided upon by the group, as well as the answers.

gob

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From: ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec)
Subject: Re: How 'bout a new group for the rest of us?
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:05:39 GMT

In article <Bxt9qr.D6L@ssesco.com> nau@ssesco.com (William Nau) writes:
>In article <1e6q1fINN2hc@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>, stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury) writes:
>|> I agree that there seems to be a need for an audio group dedicated to
>
>Anyone who is unwilling to share his ideas because of the fear of flames
>from snobish audiophiles is simply paranoid.  For every flame, he will
>recieve 20 meaninful reactions.  Please do not attempt to seperate this
>into multiple groups.  There is too much knowledge to isolate each other
>the way you want.
>
Very strongly agree. In addition, many of those who are now in the "low budget
group" will shortly move upward in affordability.  It would be
hopeless, and counterproductive to split along $ lines.  I learn as
much of interest from low budget as from high budget posts.
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