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From: psgjf@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Australian players to Europe.
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:46:38 GMT
Organization: Flinders University

In article <1992Aug17.113219.14619@aie.nl> louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.065328.17761@frodo.cc.flinders.edu.au> psgjf@cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>) writes:
>>News from a local paper today, on the arrival back in Australia of
>>some of the Olyroos from the Olympic tournament, on the movement of
>>many of the players to European clubs for the coming season.
>>
>>Some players are already playing or have signed with clubs, these are:
>>
>>Mark Bosnich		- Aston Villa (England)
>>Ned Zelic		- Borussia Dortmund (Germany)
>>Zlatko Arambasic	- Mechelen (Belgium)
>>Paul Okon		- Club Brugge (Belgium)
>>
>>Other moves are:
>>
>>Tony Vidmar		- Ekeren (Belgium)
>>Milan Blagojevic	- Ekeren (Belgium)
>>Steve Refenes		- Olympiakos (Greece)
>>Shaun Murphy		- Notts County (England)
>>
>>It is also rumoured that Dominic Longo and Brad Maloney are also close
>>to signing contracts with European clubs.
>
>I read in a dutch paper that a guy called Jason van Blerk (24) has signed for
>a dutch team: Go Ahead Eagles, First Division, from Deventer. According
>to the paper he played 13 times for Australian National team.
>
>louis kossen
>
>-- 

The Belgian results from the weekend had Arnold scoring a goal for
FC Luik.  This may be Graham Arnold, also an Australian international.

Geoff.
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From: cheu@neptune.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Arc outside penalty box
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:30:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: orion.2A928533.23621
Reply-To: cheu@neptune.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <Bt8MyD.2E5@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, chun perng cheah <ccheah@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
|> In rec.sport.soccer you write:
|> 
|> >While watching my tape of the FA Cup final last night, I realized that there
|> >is one field marking which I do not understand.  Namely, the arc outside of
|> >the 18 yard box.  Does this line actually have a purpose, or is it a 
|> >"traditional" marking which used to have a purpose but no longer does?  As I
|> >said, a simple question, but one which will bug me until I find out the
|> >answer...
|> 
|> >Tom Zych   tjz20735@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
|> 
|> Tom,- The arc is to ensure that everyone is the same distance from the ball 
|> when a penalty is taken. Thus, some players won't have an unfair advantage when
|> trying to get a rebound, if there is indeed one.
|> 
|> CP Cheah

That doesn't make sense to me.  If there is a rebound, the ball will 
bounce off the keeper, the bar or the posts.  The player who stand
right behind the penalty taker outside the arc will have the longest
distance to reach the ball, if on average, the ball come out from the
center of the goal.  It seems to me that the acr is drawn with the
center right in between the goal line. Then, this would ensure that
players are approx. the same distance from the ball at the instant
of rebounce, not when the penalty is taken.

Kelvin
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: ***RESULT & REPORT*** Olympic Second Semi-Final
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:18:19 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Alan" == awolf  (awolf@registry.adelaide.edu.au)

Alan> I couldn't believe what I was watching. Here was a team of gutsy 
Alan> young Aussies giving their all, but every time the opposition managed to 
Alan> counter-attack they scored! 

I don't quite agree here -- I actually saw the Polish playing the
best football for most of this game -- technically better and at a
pace where the Aussies could not follow. The Polish side took very
good advantage of their technically better team and unlike the Danish
team was not intimidated by the physically strong Australian side. A
number of blatant defense mistakes by the Australians didn't help, of
course.

Alan> And the thing that sticks out is that anyone who didn't see the
Alan> game will say, "How on earth did THEY make the semi-final", and
Alan> no doubt the Australian media will give them and the Coach a
Alan> bagging for their "poor" performance.

Well, I don't think so. Australia has showed some fine football during
the olympics and has demonstrated that Australia is a force to be
reckoned with. At WC86, Denmark experienced the same situation, playing
great initially and that collapsing totally against Spain. The Danish
WC86 team is nonetheless highly regarded by football all over. Their
artistic play is remembered while the failure is noted as the lack of
stability that was the problem of this team.

Alan> But hopefully they can learn from this experience, and will use
Alan> it when they attempt to Qualify for the World Cup in the USA in
Alan> 1994.

Good luck to you. And remember, when you have experience the first
glimpse of success there are bound to be setbacks. There is quite a
difference from Olympic to WC football, and the breakthrough might take
a little longer coming than you would hope. Don't be disappointed,
press on and the Olympic success is bound to pay off in the long run.

/Lars
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From: irae@jelly.research.canon.oz.au (Ian Rae)
Subject: Scottish Champions Match-Up 15-8-92
Keywords: Dark Blue
Reply-To: irae@research.canon.oz.au
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 22:19:10 GMT


The first match up of the Scottish Champions of last year (Rangers from the  
premier and Dundee from the first) took place at Dens Park on Saturday 15/8/92. 

Score:
	Dundee	4	Rangers  3

	Ivo den Piemen (16)
			McCoist (20)
	Ian Gilzean (33)
			McCoist (?42?)
	Billy Dodds
			Ferguson (80)
	Billy Dodds (pen) (83)

An excellent result, and well worth staying up until 2 to get even a brief  
report on the game. Points of note include a penalty award against Rangers in  
the last 10 minutes of a game (rumored to be a unique occurence, the referee  
must be a personal friend of the Pope). Again a Gilzean is scoring for the Dark  
Blues. Other sides in scotland be warned!

Other Results:
	Celtic	2	Arabs	0
	Falkirk	2	Hibs	1
	Hearts	2	Partick	1
	Motherwell 2	Aberdeen 1
	St Johnstone 3	Airdrie	0


Ian

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From: marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch)
Subject: Re: reply to Carlos (long, 1.5 pages)
Organization: trunking_fixed
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:36:53 GMT

In article <2A93D92F.21600@ics.uci.edu> fkhoury@ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.155525.24349@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch) writes:
>
><--------------------------------------stuff deleted-------------------------->
>
>>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>     ***-->The sky is blue with white; so GOD is a fan of ARGENTINA**<--
>>           and the King DIEGO ARMANDO MARADONA IS A SPOILED, OVER WEIGHT DRUG
>>           ADDICT, MARADONNA IS HISTORY, THE LITTLY SHITHEAD IS FINALLY OF
>>           THE SCEEN. IT'S TIME FOR BIGGER AND BETTER PLAYERS.
>>
>>hey, incidentally Argentina did not make it to the final in 1982, Italy
>>knocked them out.
>>
>>regards,
>>
>>mario s.
>
>Hey Easy there.  The fact that you don't like Maradona since he is better than
>any player ever born in your country does not give you the right to attack him
>as brutally as you did.  He is a human being just like you.  All human beings
>commit mistakes; but if God will forgive them, it does not really matter
>wether you forgive them or not.
>
>                                                             Later,
>
                                                              Fuad
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          And the King DIEGO ARMANDO MARADONA IS A NICE GUY
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Maradonna was a great player, but its time to move on to bigger and better
things.

regards,

marios s.
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Soccer in Barcelona 92 - some final thoughts
Date: 15 Aug 92 03:44:36 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Michal" == Michal Szleper (michals@fuw.edu.pl)

Michal> 1. On the Olympics we've seen some interesting and exciting soccer.

Some of it was good, yes. There was some distance to "real" games,
i.e., older players. Technically and tactically the games where not at
the same level, in general more mistakes and more randomness. And some
of the games, like the ones Denmark played, where rather boring.

Michal> 2. In my opinion, the new backpass rule did its job. 

Agreed. We have now seen two tournaments (U/17 WC and 1992 Olympics)
with this rule, and it has worked well. There has not been as much
aimless kicking the ball away as I would have feared, there have been
few silly incidents, and less timewaisting. I'm positive so far -- now
let's see a year in the leagues and we'll know more. I'm sure it won't
damage the league games.

Michal> It is nice to convince oneself that our favorite sport is
Michal> not slowly dying, as was my impression after Italia'90.

"The wolf is coming, the wolf is coming".

Michal> 3. The system on the Olympics is much more logical than on WC,
Michal>    which especially makes games interesting.

Please explain? How was the "system" different, apart from the number
of teams?

Michal> 4. Among the 16 playing teams there were only 5 from Europe.
Michal>    This is a great nonsense and injustice since olympic soccer

Sure. We have all this bitching that Europe is stealing the spots of
everyone else, etc, etc, and yet, in every tournament we see the
European teams getting a higher percentage of teams to second round.
One should remember that there are *many* good teams in Europe, hence
the large number of spots.

Michal> 6. The best scorer, with 7 scored goals, was Andrzej Juskowiak
Michal>    (please learn the correct spelling before you start to post
Michal>    some crap)

Easy, easy. There are *many* nationalities here, and no matter where
you are from there will be some nationalities' names that are very hard
to spell. Face it, Polish is quite remote to some of us. We do our
best, but don't demand perfection. Don't let such things anger you --
it's simpler to laugh, and maybe send a kind correction.

And let's not forget, this tournament saw the ongoing rise on
non-European, non-southamerican football symbolised in Ghana and
Australia. Keep it up, guys, you are making the world of football more
interesting.

/Lars

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From: t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: What started the ball rolling
Date: 18 Aug 1992 18:50:33 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Well.  What can I say, Carlos?
It is too bad that Maradona will always be the best player in the world
whether some people like it or not.

>Always? Have you ever heard of a guy called PELE, aka "the athlete of
>the 20th century"?  Pele was not only a better player than Diego
>Armando (not Armendo) Maradona, but he had  something Maradona never had
>or will have: CLASS.

Yes, I have heard of Pele.  But how would you ask people to respect him?

==========================================================================

Just reflect back on the above comments, and *hopefully* you will 
understand my responses.

The above comments have no information to substantiate them.

The indented comment (>) is more accurate than the first and third 
paragraph and probably better reflects the feelings and opinions of 
soccer lovers around the world.

Francis.
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Ned Zelic?
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:54:30 GMT
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association

c9106863@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (LORD MICK HAS SUMMONED YOU...) writes:


>Can someone tell me how Ned Zelic went for his first game for Borussia?
>preferably someone in Germany or someone who watched the game?

He had great match; didn't make a single error. Some are trying to 
discredit this fine effort of his by pointing out such irrelevant
details as he didn't play.

Seriously: the reason for him not playing is that he needs to regain
his strength (according to ARD). Btw, to avoid ambigousity please 
refer to the club as Dortmund - there are more than one Borussia in
German football. 
-- 
Jesper Lauridsen      |  Bayern Mu"nchen - 12xChampions, 8xCup Winner,
rorschak@daimi.aau.dk |                    3xEC1 and 1xEC2 Winner
                    We'll be back
From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Small point
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:30:05 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <24917@castle.ed.ac.uk>, eftv20@castle.ed.ac.uk (G C Stewart) writes:
> 
>    Though Sandy "Sandy" McKinnon and Scott "Scotty Wacko Jacko" Jackson 
> have ridiculed my Premier forecasts for this season, I can now be rest
> assured that Celtic's strengths do lie in defence on the grounds that
> they now have the best defensive record in the Premier League.

I was just talking to Scott about your predictions last week when I got
hit on the back o' the head with a "pie from the sky". We worked out it
must have been something to do with the collapse of the Cambuslang plans.

>    The 'Tic's performance on Saturday was most encouraging considering
> how well Dundee United have started the season.  There is a lot of self
> assuredness about Celtic's performance without resorting to complacency,
> that is with the exception of Gary Gillespie's waltz out of defence on
> Saturday through the United attack. If it weren't for injury problems in
> defence, this weekend's Old Firm encounter couldn't come quick enough.


It looks as if Dundee United have now replaced St Mirren as the
team_most_likely_to_lie_down_to_Celtic.  Can't see what you're getting so
excited about cos once you get hammered on Saturday, the heads will go down and
the season will be over by say, December. 


Nice to see the new signing Andy Payton displaying his knowledge of Scottish
football on RC (Radio Clyde) on Saturday.  It went something like this, "Celtic
are the biggest and best club in Scotland and are really ambitious. This is
shown by the fact that Paul McStay has re-signed for Celtic even though he
could have signed for any of the top European clubs." A bit of waffle to win
over the support, we think.

>    Well done to Dundee for proving what many already knew - that Rangers
> do not have a good defence.


One game doesn't prove anything.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Sandy Mackinnon                  Quote of the week "The game against Celtic 
University of Strathclyde        at Parkhead this week should be a sell out"
Glasgow                          - Simon Stainrod, Dundee Manager.
cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk

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From: fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona)
Subject: WC94 Tickets
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:16:56 GMT
Distribution: usa


Hello.
Can anyone tell me where I could obtain tickets for WC94?
Also, Are they on sale yet?
I live in the Los Angeles area; so you probably may want to inform of
the places around this area.

                                                      Thanx in advance,

                                                          F. J. K.

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E-mail  : fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu

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*---> The Sky is Light blue with white, so GOD is a fan of ARGENTINA.<---*
                and the king ***DIEGO ARMENDO MARADONA***

Members of the ARGENTENIAN national team that won the World Cup 1986:
22- Nierie Pompido            GoalKeeper
19- Oscar Rogeri              Right-back
5 - Jose Brown                Libero
16- Olareteciocha             Left-back
2 - Daniel Batista            Mid-fielder
14- Recardo Guisti            Mid-fielder
12- Oscar Henrique            Mid-fielder
7 - Jorje Buruchaga           Mid-fielder
10- DIEGO ARMENDO MARADONA    Mid-fielder  "Captain" "Award of Best Player"
4 - Claudio Borgie            Attacker
11- Jorje Valdano             Attacker

Members of the ARGENTINIAN national team, the runner-up, in World Cup 1990:
12- Goycitechia              GoalKeeper
19- Oscar Rogeri              Right-back
20- Juan Simon                Libero
16- Olareteciocha             Left-back
18- Serizuella                Defender
14- Recardo Guisti            Mid-fielder
4-  Daniel Basualdo           Mid-fielder
7 - Jorje Buruchaga           Mid-fielder
10- DIEGO ARMENDO MARADONA    Mid-fielder  "Captain"
8 - Claudio Canegia           Attacker
6 - Calderon                  Attacker
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From: tanner@kbomfg.enet.dec.com (Dave Tanner)
Subject: Re: A bit of moderation is needed
Organization: "Digital Equipment Co., Kaufbeuren, Germany"
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:05:00 GMT


In article <16q0vaINNlt@agate.berkeley.edu>, 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes...
> 
>For some reason the general tone of this group seemes to have
>escalated to highly unwarranted  levels of acidity. We start
>with the Olympic final and somehow end up discussing what Hit-
>ler did to the Poles; almost every (no matter how slightly) nega-
>tive assesment of Maradona's carreer is answered with a barage of
>insults and invitations to get a life.Even more alarming, issues
>of the type "my team is better than yours" (see the recent Egypt
>vs Ghana and the Rest Of The World) dominate what was meant to
>be a gentlemanly exchange of information and views. What our group
>mostly looks like at this particular point in time is rec.sport.
>psychopats, folks.....
> 
>Cheers!
> 
>-- 
>Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
>Department of Economics                                              
> I agree with you compleatly. Iam off pissed every day when I do a Dir on this
  group and 70-80% of the folks are still craping about the Spain-Polish final
  and who the best team really was, and if Maradona is really a footballer or
  a drug addict... Some of ye kids should grow up, and keep to talking about
  football, even though some of ye don't know a lot about it, but I still
  prefer reading such inputs as political ones, in a football group... Lets
  drop these two subjects, Maradona, and Spain v Poland. Iam sure you'll be
  doing a lot of folks a favour....





                                                regards......

                                                    -dave-
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From: veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Maradona
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:25:53 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)

In article <6341@kielouta.fi>, csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto) writes:
> In article <geWFYdG00W08ILXGAG@andrew.cmu.edu> sc4n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Saverio Cittadini) writes:
> >Yesterday there was a meeting in Zuerich concerning the future of Diego
> 
> (-------------------- a lot of stuff deleted -------------------------- )
> 
> >Now, after the meeting, there are striking news. Maradona let know
> >that he might come back to Napoli, if the club accepts some conditions
> >(which apparently include: more money, a house outside the city, 
> >personal training - separated from the rest of the team, and playing
> >only the matches at home). I still don't think that this would be the
> >best solution for Napoli, but anyway I'm sure that many Napoli fans
> >would be extremely happy if this comes true !
> 
> 
> I like Maradona and think he is a great player , but, Napoli would be crazy
> to accept this offer. Why don't they just sell him. With that money i sure 
> think they can find a couple of quality players around. Don't ask me who. I am
> yet to think of one.


This is exactly the problem.  Do you thank anyone would be so stupid to
buy such a jerk for big bucks who doesn't want to practice with the
team and only wants to play home games?
If I would be a manager of a soccer club, I wouldn't take him even if
he would offer to pay 1M$ to sign up for my club (well, I might take
his money, but let him sit on the bench...)

Soccer is still a team-sport.  This means that the best team wins and
not the team having the most famous players.  Many clubs payed a lot of
money to "stars" just to make this experience.

Veit

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From: psgjf@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Predictions - English League
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:57:04 GMT
Organization: Flinders University

In article <3830@keele.keele.ac.uk> csp48@seq1.keele.ac.uk (J.W. Kirriemuir) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.071526.50236@frodo.cc.flinders.edu.au>, psgjf@cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>) writes:
>
>> If anyone would still like to make a prediction, then send it in
>> quickly.
>
>Arsenal to be relegated from the premier league before easter.


This is a stronger possibility with their 0:1 loss to Blackburn on Wednesday.
:-(

Geoff.
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