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From: trentu.ca!pyacm@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: ARTIFICIAL TURF: EMBARASSMENT TO THE GAME
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:57:00 GMT
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
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In article <1992Jul21.190217.29416@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> 
g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com (Glenn R. Waugaman) writes:
> ... Fenway Park does not
>change the basic character of the game.  Fenway Park does not turn
>weakly-hit ground balls into singles and bloopers into doubles, and
>sharply-hit balls in the infield into outs (a property of artificial
>turf).  Fenway Park does not affect at all balls that are hit in the
>infield or which drop in front of outfielders.  In fact, Fenway Park does
>not significantly affect balls put into play that travel any less than
>300-350 feet.  In general, Fenway Park affects the value of certain
>extra-base hits, both positively and negatively, and that's about it. 

But it does turn weakly hit ground balls into outs, bloopers into
singles, and sharply-hit balls in the infield into singles.  Balls hit
in the infield or which drop in front of the outfielders still bounce,
an effect of the field.  In fact, balls put into play at any distance
are affected by the wind, the 600 Club (aerodynamics rearing its ugly
head), and the like.

You say tomato, I say tomatoe.

Colin.

P.S.  Before you flame me, let it be known that I do hate turf and could
do without dome stadiums as well.  I just thought I'd point out that all
fields affect play in some way; just because we're talking about Fenway
does not mean that every ball hit does what it was "supposed" to do.
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From: shiao@ans.net (Dennis Shiao)
Subject: Re: Yankees..Whats UP?
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:56:22 GMT
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In article <1992Jul27.220208.2209@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> josh@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (joshua.h.rosenbluth) writes:

>More bad news:  The minor-league cupboard is close to bare.  Besides
>Silvestri, only Bernie Williams (CF) and Bam-Bam Meulens (3B??) have
>shown anything, and they both flopped with the big club in 1991.

Are you sure you want to say that their minor league cupboard is bare ?
I'd have to say the talent down there is the most promising in recent
years.

Pitching-wise, we're talking about guys like Wickman, Hutton, Militello,
Hitchcock, Draper, and down in Ft. Lauderdale ... Brien Taylor.

The Williams' (Bernie and Gerald) are both fine prospects. Bernie didn't
even play a full season with the "big club". Granted, his numbers weren't
great. He's an excellent outfielder with above average speed. They've got to
give him a chance soon.

There's plenty of talent at the other positions, too, like J.T. Snow
at 1st. I'm sure a more detailed report can be done. 

Mike ?

-Dennis.
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From: zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Not Just For The Dead Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: A *Sure* sign of the apocalypse...
Summary: Crown MOD Magnavox CDB 582 - Only $1000.
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Date: 30 Jul 92 20:48:49 GMT
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In a move unparalleled for raw defiance of the odds, Oakland Athletics
foliage Carney Lansford played shortstop against the Twins last night.

There were no reports of injuries or deaths.

What's next?

Cecil Fielder - Center Fielder.
Lance Parrish - Master of the Hot Corner.
Mo Vaughn - Born to Shoot the Deuce.
Pedro Guerrero and Sid Bream - the Dream DP combo.
Jim Acker - Boston's new #1 starter.
Willie Fraser - Closer Extraordinaire.

Brrr.  Winter has come early to Hell.

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From: djohnson@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (David Johnson)
Subject: Re: Wow, Cito changes the Jays' lineup!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:44:54 GMT

>Anyways, as you know, one game doesn't determine anything.  I say Cito should
>experiment with the same lineup again on Tuesday, with some modifications:
>
>1.	ALOMAR		2B
>2.	LEE		SS
>3.	CARTER		RF
>4.	WINFIELD	DH
>5.	MALDONADO	LF
>6.	KENT		1B (if both Olerud and Tabler are injured)
>7.	BORDERS		C
>8.	GRUBER		3B (use Kent if Olerud is playing)
>9.	BELL		CF (or White)
>
>
>Jack

I like this lineup.  Alomar is a better leadoff than White and Lee has a decent
OBP.  It also gives Alomar more of a chance to steal second before Carter and
Winfield come up.  I would like to see Gruber traded and Kent in there every
day.  He has done a good job and deserves to lay.  Also when Olerud is playing
He should hit behind Winfield and before Maldonado just to simply split up the
right handed hitters a little bit.

--David Johnson
From: michaelh@netcom.com (Michael Hernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Giants RAPP on KNBR
Keywords: Pat Rapp
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:25:19 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Hey you Giant Fans.  Pat Rapp, the hottest pitching prospect
the Giants have had in awhile, will be on the Fitzgeralds 
Sports show at 7:00pm on KNBR 68.       

In case you haven't seen him pitch, Rapp has the MENTAL as well
as the physical attributes necessary to become an ace on the 
Giants staff.  I just hope Roger "Isn't it unbelievable" Craig
and Al "Lets bounce these kids between the majors and the
minors" Rosen do not find a way to destroy this guys 
confidence.

michael


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From: seifert@eng.umd.edu (Earl Scott Seifert)
Subject: Re: Past World Series
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 18:09:56 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <Brur22.LsL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jcp29389@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (BEACH VOLLEYBALL!!!) writes:
>noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) writes:
>
>>Does anyone have a list of past World Series?  By that I mean a list of
>>the two teams who played in it each year and which one won.
>
>>Any help is appreciated.  Especially if you have the last 10 Series.
>
>i'll try the last 10 off the top of my head....
>
>1991: Twins over Braves 4-3
>1990: Reds over A's 4-0
>1989: A's over Giants 4-0
>1988: Dodgers over A's 4-1
>1987: Twins over Cardinals  (memory starting to fail me)

Twins over Cards 4-3

>1986: Mets over Red Sox

Mets over Red Sox 4-3

>1985: Royals over Cardinals???

Royals over Cards 4-3  (In St. Louis  Cards over Royals+Denkinger 4-2)

>1984: Tigers over Padres

Tigers over Pads 4-1

>1983: Orioles and Cardinals???

Orioles over Phils 4-1     d8-)

>1982: Royals and Phillies???

Cards over Brew Crew 4-3?

>1981: Yankees and Dodgers???

Dodgers over Yanks

>1980: Brewers and Phillies???

Phils over Royals 4-2?

1979: Pirates over Orioles 4-3    d8-(
1978: Yanks over Dodgers 4-2?
1977: Yanks over Dodgers 4-2?
1976: Reds over Yanks 4-0
1975: Reds over Red Sox 4-3
1974: A's over Dodgers
1973: A's over Mets
1972: A's over Reds
1971: Pirates over Orioles 4-3   d8-(
1970: Orioles over Reds 4-1      d8-)
1969: Mets over Orioles 4-1      d8-(    Did Swoboda really catch that ball?
1968: Tigers over Cards
1967: Cards over Red Sox
1966: Orioles over Dodgers 4-0   d8-)
1965: Dodgers over Twins

Enough!


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From: claudius@leland.stanford.edu (Nelson Lu)
Subject: RC/27 for SS'
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 18:29:05 GMT

NATIONAL LEAGUE
Barry Larkin, Cincinnati	6.41
Ozzie Smith, St. Louis		5.49
Spike Owen, Montreal		5.10
Jose Offerman, Los Angeles	4.63
Jay Bell, Pittsburgh		4.47
Tony Fernandez, San Diego	4.33
Jose Uribe, San Francisco	4.16
Dick Schofield, New York	3.26
Royce Clayton, San Francisco	3.18
Rey Sanchez, Chicago		2.78
Andujar Cedeno, Houston		2.47
Rafael Belliard, Atlanta	2.36
Jose Vizcaino, Chicago		2.18
Kim Batiste, Philadelphia	2.06

AMERICAN LEAGUE
Travis Fryman, Detroit		5.52
Mike Bordick, Oakland		5.26
Pat Listach, Milwaukee		5.26
Omar Vizquel, Seattle		5.18
Cal Ripken, Baltimore		4.94
Craig Grebeck, Chicago		4.85
Andy Stankiewicz, New York	4.76
Dickie Thon, Texas		4.47
Manuel Lee, Toronto		4.30
Greg Gagne, Minnesota		3.63
Mark Lewis, Cleveland		3.60
Gary DiSarcina, California	3.35
Rico Rossy, Kansas City		3.28
Walt Weiss, Oakland		3.28
Luis Rivera, Boston		2.81
Curtis Wilkerson, Kansas City	2.59

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
Committee to Elect Johnny Ray as Angels Second Baseman
Committee to Elect Mike Witt as Angels Ace
Committee to Elect Cookie Rojas as Angels Manager
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
From: roger@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:55:47 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Jul27.124822.256@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> 
a_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul26.181556.1714@panix.com>, 
spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:
>> I don't claim that RC/27 is a perfect stat - there is no such thing - but
>> it gives you a reasonable idea of player performance because it places what
>> the player does in context.

>	It certianly doesn't see to be, though I am arguing from ignorance
>here. If RC/27 is adjusted for *teams* runs scored, then I don't see a gaping
>hole.  

No, it's not.  However, it's possible to adjust for the park in which
the player played half of his games.

>If, on the other hand, the team's overall performance doesn't come into
>play, then the stat is severely flawed. If the latter is true, ignore the next
>paragraph.

I don't follow; if a player adds ten wins to the team performance, who
cares what the other players did?  Ten wins is ten wins.

>	For example, take player A and B, two full-time players from two 
>different teams. A has a RC/27 of 7, and B has a RC/27 of 8, then this would 
>seem to indicate that player B is slightly better. 

Actually, quite a bit better; more than a whole extra win/year.

>However, if player A's 
>team scored only 500 runs for the season, and player B's scored 750, it would
>seem that player A is actually better, adjusting for the team.

Why?  He's better than his teammates, by a larger margin; but that
doesn't tell us how good he is.  He's a big fish in a small pond, but
that doesn't tell us how big he is, or what he'd do on another team, or
whom one might trade for him, or who's better than he is.  

Are you implying that, by being traded for A, B suddenly becomes better
than A, just like that, without changing his performance or output?

>	Could someone post the formula for RC/27, BTW?

No.

Not until you apologize to Sherri for your rudeness.

Roger
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:19:37 EDT
From: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Clever Quote (Was: Warning to Sheffield Fans in S.D.)
 <joeb.711637640@cserver> <91cmfgq.mzimmers@netcom.com>
 <1992Jul20.193404.27913@cs.cornell.edu> <carl.711732116@warper.jhuapl.edu>

In article <carl.711732116@warper.jhuapl.edu>, carl@warper.jhuapl.edu (Carl
Lamy) says:

>Valentine, Valentine, Valentine, when will you ever learn? (sigh) Joe
>Orsulak is the man, and watching him get important hits while the rest of
>the O's (Brady excluded) do nothing is all the proof real Orioles fans
>need. Don't give me his OBP and OPS stuff.

Speak for yourself, bimbo.  I'm about as true an Oriole fan as you'll
come across and 'slak is a marginal offensive player whose main ability
is hitting singles.  His defensive ability makes up to some degree for
his inability to hit for power and get on base.  I like the guy a bunch
but it is way past time for the O's to give somebody else a shot in RF.

>All TRUE Orioles fans, or for that matter, all TRUE b'ball fans, think Joe
>is the tops (of course, you are to be forgiven, as you think that the
>Bosox are a real baseball team and so obviously let your emotions get the
>better of you ;->)


Dennis Shea
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen)
Subject: Re: Sexy Baseball Players
Organization: Sequoia Peripherals, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 01:43:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.005530.11690@seas.smu.edu> marley@seas.smu.edu (Elisabeth Anne Marley) writes:
>After watching some baseball games recently, and noticing that many
>of the r.s.b readers are male, I was curious as to who everybody
>thinks is the sexiest baseball player currently active.
>
>My vote is for Rob Dibble.


My girlfriend used to go to A's games with a gay (male) friend
of hers so they could sit in the right field bleachers and
look at Jose Canseco's butt. I don't know if it is the best
in baseball, but she tells me that it's better than mine is.


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From: dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: The "Dwayne Henry Syndrome"
Keywords: Dwayne, Henry, Peter, Gammons
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:48:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <bs9ehq.s1@wang.com> bst@wang.com (Bruce Tannenbaum) writes:
>My favorite
>line is House's "That's what we call 'The Dwayne Henry Syndrome'.  Ninety-
>five to the plate, 105 on the way out."
>

Yep, but if Texas only had Dwayne Henry, he'd be one of the best relievers
they had right now.  That's really funny that anyone would interview
Tom House in a serious pitching article.  He is an absolutely terrible
pitching coach.

Why doesn't he teach his great fastball deception to the joke he calls
the Texas bullpen.

--dave
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From: mattel@auto-trol.com (Matt Telles)
Subject: Re: YEEEESSSSS!!!!!
Organization: Auto-trol
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:47:22 GMT

In article <adams.711821279@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb) writes:
>
>
>>After watching the Cubs put together a pitching clinic on the Reds 1-0,
>Belcher didn't exactly do to bad, either.  The only run was a home run by
>ex-Red Billy Hatcher.  A great pitchers' duel.

Beg pardon?  Wasn't that Kal Daniels what hit that one?  Is Hatcher really a Cub
nowadays?  How the mighty have fallen...

>
>>Life is good again in Chicago.
>I wouldn't get my hopes up...

Me neither, but I'm a Met fan...

Matt
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From: sinhaa@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Anand Sinha)
Subject: Re: Past World Series
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:29:19 GMT

In article <Brur22.LsL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jcp29389@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (BEACH VOLLEYBALL!!!) writes:
>noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) writes:
>
>>Does anyone have a list of past World Series?  By that I mean a list of
>>the two teams who played in it each year and which one won.
>
>>Any help is appreciated.  Especially if you have the last 10 Series.
>
>>Thanks in advance...
>>-Mike Noonan
>
>i'll try the last 10 off the top of my head....
>
>1991: Twins over Braves 4-3
>1990: Reds over A's 4-0
>1989: A's over Giants 4-0
>1988: Dodgers over A's 4-1
>1987: Twins over Cardinals  (memory starting to fail me)
>1986: Mets over Red Sox
>1985: Royals over Cardinals???
>1984: Tigers over Padres
>1983: Orioles and Cardinals???
1983: Orioles over Phillies
1982: Cardinals over Brewers
1981: Dodgers over Yankees
1980: Phillies over Royals
1979: Pirates over Orioles
1978: Yankees over Dodgers
1977: Yankees over Dodgers
1976: Reds over ??
1975: Reds over Red Sox ??


>1982: Royals and Phillies???
>1981: Yankees and Dodgers???
>1980: Brewers and Phillies???
>
>damn all that alcohol!  corrections are very welcome as I would also like to
>know the world series matchups.

now my memory is failing too...I think the Reds won in '74 and the A's in '73,
but now I am not so sure...

Anand Sinha
Jays #1 -> all the way in '92
Roberto Alomar for MVP
Juan Guzman for Cy Young
Jeff Kent for ROTY
Roger Maynard for Most Obnoxious, Arrogant Poster
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: djohnson@cayley.waterloo.edu (David Johnson)
Subject: Re: MLB Standings and Scores for Mon, Jul 27th, 1992
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:19:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.182436.13081@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> sinhaa@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Anand Sinha) writes:

>Speak for yourself.  This Jays fan thinks that if Johnny Oates had any idea
>how to construct a lineup, that the O's could score a ton'o'runs.  Now that
>McDonald seems to have refound a groove, and Rhodes is up, the O's have as
>good a 1-2-3 as the Jays if not better. (I'd take Mussina-McDonald-Rhodes 
>over Guzman-Key-Morris any day of the week).  Neither team has strong
>#4 or #5 starters.  

I will take Guzman-Key-Morris.  More experience and have proven they can be
successful in the majors.  I think that the Jays have a better chance at 
getting quality 4 and 5 starters out of Wells, Stott., Hentgen and Stieb.
Wells looks like a lock on number 4 unless the Jays think that they need
a lefty in the bullpen (assuming Dayley doesn't come back).

>As for the Jays winning 100 games.  Only the media thought that they would. 
>Jack Morris is/was not the answer for the Jays.  

We didn't get Morris for the regular season as much as for his post season
performance and experience.

>And (*gasp who'd have ever thought this*) Gaston is not doing too bad a 
>job as manager. ARggghh...oo the lightning bolt just missed me. Sure he's made
>some decisions that I disagree with (like letting Winfield play the OF), 
>but in the big picture, he seems to be doing the right things.  Day to day,
>he makes tactical errors I think, but he seems to get the most out of 
>players that should not be producing as well.  Yes, I am a charter member
>of Cito-bashing club, but I think some credit is deserved by Cito.  If he
>is indeed keeping his team happy, he must be motivating them, he is doing
>what is required to win in the long term.  That's what Cito is really good
>at .. winning the AL East race. Wnning over the long term.  Winning in the
>short term does not seem to be something he is good at.  Maybe during the
>playoffs, Cito should step down and let someone more ruthless manage the team?

I think that the team should have two managers.  One which replaces Cito
for the games only.  Maybe we could call him the DM.  Designated manager.

>My question is, how is the Brew Crew doing it?? I know that Navarro is *hot*
>but he's always been streaky, who else is pitching well there?  The offense
>seems to scratch out enough runs to make the games tight, but can Yount and
>Molitor carry the Brewers? Listach is going to win ROTY probably (despite my
>vote for Jeff Kent), but who is doing it for them?? 

They are doing it on aggressive base running and with some quality proven
experienced hitters.

>(this is from someone who picked the Crew to finish LAST in the AL East...
>guess I'm not gonna win the Huckabay prize..:-)

>Anand Sinha ... proud member of the Roger Maynard KILL file
>Robbie Alomar for MVP			Jeff Kent for ROTY
>Sarah Sinha for MVP 2009		Sarah Sinha for ROTY 2009
>Juan Guzman for Cy Young		

--David Johnson
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From: mndavis@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Mark N. Davis)
Subject: A fantasy league coalition anyone?
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:12:42 GMT

Hey all you rotissirie players out there:

I've found it very informational to be able network with locals from various
areas of the US to get the inside, local scoop on their teams. If most local
papers are like the bay areas, then all you read is news about your team(s),
with the occassional sentence or two about the rest of the league.

When it comes to running your own fantasy team, it can be very difficult to
make a decision, when you have very limited information on the player involved.
When it comes to the Giants players though, I've got tons of info to work with.
But then again my team isn't made up of only Giants (fortunately!).

So what I'm proposing is that we have at least one person from each area, that
follows their team closely and has access to local papers, volunteer as a 
source of information for that team. I will volunteer to be keeper of the list
and publish it for all to see. This way we can all gain an extra edge on our
competition, and appear godlike in our indepth knowledge of the happennings
of all the ML teams/players.

So to start it all off, I volunteer to be a Giants infomation center. Who's
next? Please send me email, since my node doesn't seem to get all Usenet
messages. I'll try to publish the list every few days, so that people can see
where the holes are, and hopefully fill them in soon.

                      Thanks and good luck to all,
                               Mark