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From:         RICHARDSON@WVURTC.WVNET.EDU
Subject:      Re: COLDS?

Replying to Kate's question about those of us who are feeling better....
I didn't write the message you're responding to, but I'll tell you about
my experiences with CFS.  I became ill in the fall of 1990.  I was intensely
ill (weak, foggy-minded, etc) for the first year.  I noticed a slight
improvement in the summer of '91, but the winter of '91 was terrible.  By the
spring of '92, I had improved enough to begin some exercise.  I started
walking, gradually increasing the length of my walks, about every other
evening.  If I walked too far, I crashed the next day, so I had to be
careful.

Looking back at this point over the past two years, I see slow, steady
improvement that began after the first six months.  My strength tended to
dip through the winter months.  I was stronger in the winter of '91 than
in the winter of '90.  (Sensitivity to heat and light seems to be a factor
with this disease; I can feel myself growing stronger in the sunny months,
but other CFS sufferers I've met say they are worse when it's hot.  The
heat doesn't bother me but the lack of light seems to.)

My friends and family have noticed a change in me too.  I called a friend
recently and she said, "You sound better than you did three months ago."
My voice was more animated, she said.  My wife to be, a former CFS sufferer
herself, says that she's noticed that I'm stronger now than when she met
me last summer.  (How's that for inspiration--I know a FORMER CFS sufferer.)
My improvement is so slow that I hardly notice it.  And of course, there
are set backs from time to time when I still crash into the bed.

I work for a man who says he had CFS for 3 1/2 years.  From my own rate of
improvement, I think I'll be dealing with the disease for about the same
amount of time, so I have about a year and a half to go.  Of course, knock
wood, this is unless nothing like a stressful event sets me back.

The good news is that there is improvement.  (Note the three examples I
mention.)  But the not so good news is that the improvement is usually at
a slow rate.

Preston Richardson
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From:         NATHAN BRINDLE <NBRINDLE@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Beki Back On

Beki's problem was not her own...the directory server here apparently
forgot her password and reset it back to its original setting...she is
back on now! (RLBRINDL@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU)

--Nathan

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From: jaa@su19a.ess.harris.com (John Auer)
Subject: Re: Lyme Disease
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:41:00 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne  FL

BFU@NIHCU.BITNET (Roger Burns) writes:
: >       Is the lyme disease group, mentioned earlier, up and running?
: 
: Although it has an -L on the end of its name, LymeNet-L is adertised
: as being a newsletter.  I subscribed and have seen no issue yet.  I've
: sent a query to the editor asking whether there are any back issues.
: I'll report what I find.
: 
: Roger Burns      bfu@cu.nih.gov / bfu@nihcu.bitnet / fidonet 1:109/432
: List-owner, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome discussion
: CFS-L  on LISTSERV at NIHLIST.BITNET or LIST.NIH.GOV

It was announced today (in sci.med) that some subscription
requests sent on Sat. (1/23) or Sun. (1/24) were dropped,
due to technical difficulties.  The list-owner said, if
you sent a subscribe request and did not receive a confirmation,
please try again.  Trot over to sci.med for further details.

(Hopefully, I'm not making a redundant post.  He may very well
 post that info here, it's just not here at this time :-) )

John
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From:         Roger Burns <BFU@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Lyme Disease

>       Is the lyme disease group, mentioned earlier, up and running?

Although it has an -L on the end of its name, LymeNet-L is adertised
as being a newsletter.  I subscribed and have seen no issue yet.  I've
sent a query to the editor asking whether there are any back issues.
I'll report what I find.


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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:04:54 -0500
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From:         KEGANRO@HUGSE1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: COLDS?

        Its great to hear that there are some "not-so-sick" CFS folks
out there.  My question is this: for those of you who are feeling better, and
have recovered to some degree, how long were you sick before you felt
some significant improvement?  And how well is "not-so-sick"?  What activity
level are you able to maintain?  Can you exercise?  Just thought it would
be inspiring for those of us who are in the worst of it to hear some
stories of improvement... Kate
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From:         TERRY ROSATO <ROSATO@NAUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      explanation of "good treatment"

I was just diagnosed with CFS and am obviously concerned about getting
good treatment from a doctor. Liz wrote about improving after starting
"proper treatment." I'd like to know what that treatment plan is. ANyone

else is invited to share what their doctors have suggested for them, incl.
drugs, nutrition, work or no work, exercise or no exercise. I am also
trying to cope with the emotional side of all this...I've been rather
depressed about the loss of my normal life...some days I don't feel like
I have a life. I miss hiking and biking etc etc etc. I am trying to adjust
my attitude and I guess I am not there yet. Any suggestions? Some days I
feel so angry that I got this disease, some days I feel sorry for myself,
some days I can get out of myself and it's OK.
Terry Rosato
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From:         TERRY ROSATO <ROSATO@NAUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      lyme vs CFS

Marc asked if I had been tested for Lyme. No. The doctor I am seeing
(when I asked him about the tests for ruling out Lyme) said the tests
are unreliable and if I don't remember being bitten by a tick or getting
a rash around a bite site, I probably don't have it. I know the symptoms
are very similar. If Marc has more info to help me justify the tests I'd
appreciate it...you can send it to me directly if it's not appropriate for
this list discussion. Thanks.
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From:         "ROGER A. GUILES" <RAGUILES@MAJOR.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Strange symptom (Reply)
              Jan 22, 93 3:22 pm

Dear Nancy'

Muscle spasms and strange tactile sensations (there's a medical
term that begings with a "P" : parathesias, I think) are common
in CFS. That you have them in you face and not your elbow or
shoulder blade is the only thing that make you different from all
the rest of us sickos. Only some have facial muscle spasms.
I myself will get thumb wiggles, but I write and type alot, and
so my theory is the muscle complains after a while. In the summer
after a long walk, I sometimes feel like bugs are crawling in
various places -- no bugs there, just muscle spasms, tiny ones.

So just accept these bizarre things as part of the syndrome and
don't worry -- they're not coming from any place else ( p < .001).

Roger Guiles, Computer Hound and Michigan CFIDS Organization Officer

raguiles@major.cs.mtu.edu
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From:         BEKI BRINDLE-DEMYER <RLBRINDL@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Beki Back On

NATHAN, Thanks, Bro'!  I just want to say that at this point, I'm kind of a"re-
covering" person w/CFS because I'm well most of the time now.  How did I get we
ll?!  I still have a slight fear of relapse but mainly, now that fatigue doesn'
t have me in it's constant grip anymore, I feel that I slayed the monster and
don't remember how!  I WILL be going through regressive hypnosis soon to try to
get to the root of this panic/anxiety "thing" and who knows; maybe this will re
veal something helpful to myself & others.



                                          BEKI

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From: lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (William Tsarones)
Subject: Medical Practice Mgt. Software
Followup-To: alt.med.cfs
Organization: NASA/LeRC
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:51:51 GMT

I need help trying to locate any information on medical practice management
software for Macintosh--the type used to run a doctor's office. I've never
seen anything on the Mac for this but have heard it exists.

Any information, even if it's nothing more than where to get information on
Mac software for vertical markets, would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.


Bill Tsarones
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From:         Harley Bernbach <harley@PSYCH.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject:      cFS Awareness Celebration

I hope they don't have it every year.  Surely, someone fwill find
a cure or treatment **sometime**!???
                        - Harley
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From: bstrat@objy.com (Bill Stratford)
Subject: Beginner's compound bow - for sale
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 20:14:18 GMT

I have a beginner's compound bow that needs a good home.

	Black Bear compound bow, (28"+/-1" draw, 55 lbs. max)

Retail price was $140 and I've used it perhaps 10 times.
I'm asking $90 obo.

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From: alpha@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Alpha Schram)
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Subject: Re: Any traditional archers out there?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 08:35:52 GMT
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In article <185034@pyramid.pyramid.com> khearn@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Keith Hearn) writes:
>In article <1993Jan19.191045.7394@cs.wayne.edu> mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu writes:
>>As I've mentioned before, I've returned to archery of late, but rather than
>>shooting a recurve with a sight, as before, I'm shooting a longbow instinctively.
>>It is great fun, and after a very few short practice sessions I'm starting to
>>group the arrows fairly well.
>>
>>Are any other readers of this forum traditional archers? I'd like to see some
>>discussions of styles, techniques and materials. I'm be glad to initiate such
>>discussions, but only if there's interest, of course.
>>  --mike  mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu
>
>I shoot traditional longbow. I'm involved in a group in California
>know as 'St. Sebastian's Rennaisance Guild'. We're a bunch of
>actor/archers who perform at ren faires up and down the state, doing
>traditonal longbow demonstrations. We have over 50 archers equipped
>with traditional tackle (wood longbows, most of them self bows, wood
>arrows with feather fletching and self nocks). I'm using a ~55 lb 
>hickory bow and cedar arrows. 
>
>
>-- 
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>khearn@pyramid.com             \   $1000 bills 4" tall, the national debt 
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>(408) 428-7304 or (510) 263-2701 \  And it's getting taller, FAST!


I'm also in St. Sebastian's--it's great fun for doing tournaments/demos,
Keith didn't mentions that we have a bowyer (Wayne Simpson, in Tracy, CA)
in our guild.  He has made most of the bows we have in the guild.

Alpha

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From: lalonde@cs.ubc.ca (Paul Lalonde)
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Subject: Re: Traditional Archery
Date: 21 Jan 1993 10:40:28 -0800
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In <VADER.93Jan21003742@meryl.csd.uu.se> vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke Eldberg) writes:

>A Fastflite string on a longbow? Sounds very strange to me.
>I would suggest that the traditional dacron strings are the
>best for longbows; they are enough elastic not to stop the
>bow limbs in a destructive manner. FastFlite is so stiff
>that I suspect it could damage the bow.

Dacron!  On a traditional bow?   Well yes, I'm willing to admit most 
archers use it, but for the trully traditional archer you just can't
beat linen or silk.  I've made a few linen strings (using 5lbs test
cobler's thread, although something spun tighter would be better.  I had
(until the post office lost them...) a few spools of a 7 1/2 lbs test
linen that was thinner than the 5lb cobbler's thread) and find them
every bit as durable as the dacron.  The biggest difficulty is in 
fitting arrow nocks to them - they tend to be about twice as thick as
dacron.  My solution is just to use self-nocks.  I've also located a
supply of relatively cheap single twist silk to try out, but that won't
be until spring :-(

	Paul

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From: bblohm@boi.hp.com (Bill Blohm)
Subject: Re: New deadly device?
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:23:23 GMT
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Brent Irvine (irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: It was probably built from old siege equipment plans!  
: I have a book [reprint from 1907] called _Crossbows_ that deals with this
: kind of stuff.  
: 
: The original crossbow was used as a Roman seige engine, and threw mostly

If this book has as a cover a drawing of a crossbow with the bolt sticking out
towards you, then this is the same book I read.  It was a pretty interesting
book to read, with real nice drawings.

: rocks.
: 
: Why would anyone want to fire a 1000 pound crossbow BOLT!?  Perhaps to
: launch old Scud missiles if the engines don't ignite maybe..... :)
: 

Wonder if you and I were to build one with some modern improvements and
patent it we could go into business selling it as a "Stealthy Scud Launcher"?

As to the 1000# bolt, if you consider what kind of damage a mere arrow can do
and escalate to a bolt, think of the damage a 1000# bolt can do to a man's
castle when compared to a mere rock.

: Brent "Really wants a 1000 pound crossbow on my car" Irvine
: 

Hey, I been thinking of rockets with water-proof paint warheads for those
assholes who pull out in front of me when there really isn't enough room.
Maybe if I had one of these on my hood it would be a better deterrant?

: -- 
: +-------------------------+--------------------------------+-----------------+
: | Brent L. Irvine         | For a mere $50 these personal  | Ak! Its 1992 tax|
: | irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu | opinions can also be yours!    |  season! Yuck!  |
: +-------------------------+--------------------------------+-----------------+

Bill B.
bblohm@hpbs1686.boi.hp.com      (Boise, Idaho, USA)
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From: bblohm@boi.hp.com (Bill Blohm)
Subject: Re: "Physics of Archery??"
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:51:38 GMT
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I was also going to ask for a summary or some such on the blade issue.  I have read a little
on that, and have some confusion over the number of blades.  Some say that the two-bladed
arrowhead was the ultimate or it would not have lasted as long as it did and that there are
tests showing that people are beginning to realize that.  Usually these arguements are
along the lines of two blades=less friction=better penetration.  Me, I shoot a three-blade
Wasp.  Yet, I have very little understanding of the actual physics and would like to know
more.  There is not much of a library here although I have not checked out the Boise State
University library.  

If you could post a regular list of books and videos I think it would really be a great 
help to all of us.  I would be willing to archive such a listing on my machine here and to
respond to e-mail requests for the list and to update it as books were posted or e-mailed
to me.

Bill Blohm

bblohm@hpbs1686.boi.hp.com   (Boise, Idaho, USA)
From: lalonde@cs.ubc.ca (Paul Lalonde)
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Subject: Re: Traditional Archery
Date: 27 Jan 1993 13:45:00 -0800
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In <VADER.93Jan26182927@meryl.csd.uu.se> vader@meryl.csd.uu.se (]ke Eldberg) writes:

>Paul, do you have any book or video references where one can
>learn how to do the "flemish twist" type of strings?
>]ke

Well, I learned from an out of print book by Adrian Hodgkins (I think,
I'm going from memory) titled "The Archer's Craft".  It is quite a nice
find.  The author has a great attitude about doing things "right".
Others have called him "The Crazy Brit".  For instance his favourite
tool for roughing out bowstaves is a hatchet :-)

Anyhow, he has a really nice description of the process of making a
flemish twist string.  Apart from the technical information the
presentation is a work of art.  If you can find a copy it is well worth
the price.  If you can't I might be convinced to post you a copy.  I'd
type it, but I think the illustrations clarify things dramatically.

	Paul/Gaerhun

 Paul A. Lalonde	 	Internet: lalonde@cs.ubc.ca

"On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible aux yeux"
				- Antoine de St.-Exupery

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From: mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu (Michael J. Edelman)
Subject: Re: Traditional Archery
Reply-To: mje@pookie.pass.wayne.edu
Organization: Wayne State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:54:17 GMT

In article Hot@boi.hp.com, bblohm@boi.hp.com (Bill Blohm) writes:
>The Century-21 (?) and several other longbow offerings offer a Fastflight string
>as either standard or optional.  Thus, wouldn't this seem to imply that such
>strings are indeed satisfactory?
>
>Bill Blohm

If a bow doesn't have properly reinforced tips, the excess energy that's
not absorbed by the string can, over time, cause the limbs to crack. There
are pictures of this in some books I've seen. My bow came with an OK to
use fast flight.

On a similar note, I received this from another fan of alt.archery:



From bleep@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Thu Jan 21 13:17:33 1993
 
Mike. 

I'd thought you'd like to have this information and perhaps pass it on for 
me about fast like.

I like fast flite a lot; not because it's faster, smoother, louder, or any 
reasons like that.  The main reason came from a couple of years ago when I 
was actively competing in Fita style.  You'd have to stand outside and 
shoot in any weather unless it's thunderstorming.  Fast flite does not 
stretch nearly as much as Dacron or most other materials when wet (I don't 
use Kevlar, it wears too quickly), i.e., your brace height won't change 
from 8" to 4" when it rains.   Another advantage seldom mentioned is that 
if you accidentally brushed your string with a sharpenned broad head, your 
bow won't explode if you have fast flite (personal experience speaking).

IF AND ONLY IF your bow is rated for fast flite, be happy with it.

Tho Bui.
From: lalonde@cs.ubc.ca (Paul Lalonde)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: Traditional Archery
Date: 25 Jan 1993 09:54:34 -0800
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In <1993Jan22.181837.28802@ryn.mro4.dec.com> tang@akofin.enet.dec.com (Gabe Tang) writes:
>Paul,
>	Yes, you could use linen or silk to be more traditional. But, then,
>	I hope you make them using a Flemish braid....... And no nylon or 
>	monofilament servings. And how do you handle the nocking point? .....
>	why, you serve that in too.....don't you?  I do.      :-)

Yep, I would not trust a single continuous loop of linen - Who knows
what happens when one strand goes, and notice that the ends are only
half as strong as the middle....This would generate HUGE linen
strings...

The servings are silk or linen, and yes I serve in the nocking point.
I mean, how else?  

The most amazing thing doing the flemish twist is that people don't
reallize how fast it is to do until they see you make one from start to
finish, with no equipment to speak of.  They watch you then go all funny
when you hold a a bowstring 10 minutes later :-).  What's nicest is how
much nicer they seem to be to the bow.  The twists give a bit of give to
the string, which lets it not snap back with as much kick as the
continuous loop strings.  Makes it much quietter and reduces hand shock
somewhat.  It may also reduce the oomph with which the arrows are
launched, but with a heavy bow who cares.

	Paul
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