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From: elvin@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Elvin Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Any other Texas AA organizations?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:27:51 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Distribution: soc
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My name is Elvin Chan. I'm the president of the Asian Relations Committee at 
the UT Austin.  I'm looking for contacts for other AA organizations in the
state of Texas.  We don't have an ECASU, APSU, nor MAASU...out here to help
us network...I'd like to start just with simple answers to my post.  Reply
directly to elvin@zeus.ae.utexas.edu.  Leave a name of rep, organization,
phone number and address.   Tell me a little about your group as well...

We are having a big Asian V-day ball and a AA speakers series in Feb.  If
your interested reply directly to me as well.

							-elvin
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Defining "White" Culture
Date: 25 Jan 93 04:53:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24695
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Distribution: na
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <1993Jan24.010805.20800@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> webihara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Wataru Ebihara) writes:
>
>What is "White" culture?

There are as many kinds of "white" culture as there are
kinds of "Asian" culture.

Anyone who doesn't think so should travel through the
USA, avoiding cities, and just watching. It's not necessary
to go out of the USA to show the variety of cultures,
although Europe has a few here and there as well...
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From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the judge!
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:47:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <1993Jan20.020824.23234@colorado.edu>, pellouch@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Philip Pellouchoud) writes:
|> Not to ruffle any feathers, but here's an interesting point that a cohort
|> brought up to me at work.  We have MLK day, but we don't have any
|> days celebrating any specific american caucasions (or should I say
|> caucasion americans, or american-ca to be politically correct!  :)
|> We have Columbus, who I suppose we could give honorary citizenship,
|> but he was really an Italian, and not only that, but the AIM organization
|> is trying to get that one abolished.
|> 
|> So what's the deal?  Yeah, we've got Lincolns birthday, and Washingtons
|> birthday, but no one celebrates those.  Schools aren't closed (at least
|> most!), most businesses aren't closed, etc...  What's the story here?

That is not true.  Most schools are closed on President's Day (formerly
Lincoln's and Washington's B-days).  Few if any businesses I know of
are closed on MLK or President's Day.

|> I mean we certainly have plenty of caucasion americans to "celebrate."
|> Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Edison, etc...  But we don't
|> none of them have their own celebrated/nationally recognized holiday?
|> Help me out fellow netters, what's the deal?
|> 
|> -Phil
|> 
|> ps. Don't  answer if you're going to give some emotional half baked
|>     response, I'd rather not waste the bandwidth, and NO, I don't
|>     belong to the Neo-nazis, KKK, or any other white facist group!

He is not American but on the birthday of one Jewish man most schools,
businesses, goverment offices, you name it, are closed.

As far as getting a national holiday to commemorate a caucasiAn-American
goes, you need to lobby Congress for one.  There probably would be one that
would be celebrated if enough people were interested in having one.
Have you ever thought about that, Mr. Pellouchoud?

I personally do not care whether there is an MLK Day or not.  If
people want to commemorate him I will not stop them.  I personally
only celebrate that one Jewish man's birthday.

Mr. Pellouchoud may not belong to any Neo-nazis, KKK, or any other white
facist group but the tone he uses in his article makes it sound like
they would want to recruit him.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the judge!
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:24:07 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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In article <1993Jan22.051616.16595@leland.Stanford.EDU> Dwight Joe,
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:
>By contrast, there is another country in Asia, where the parents do _not_
>celebrate Children's Day because there is _no_ such day.  In fact,
>historically, some of those parents either killed or _ate_ their children.
>When they are lucky enough not to be killed or eaten, they are treated
>as one would treat an oxen.
>

I had a friend from China once who said his parents ate him. Lucky for him,
he didn't set to well in his parents' stomachs, so they puked him back out.

;-)

I get the same uneasiness in my stomach when I think that Dwight Joe (aka, Dwight,
Joe Dwight, etc) truly believes his propoganda he spews out.

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|Michael F. Kamprath                   | The University of Michigan  |
|  kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu |      Aerospace Engineering  |
|  kamprath@engin.umich.edu            |      Graduate Student       |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Canadian Border
From: larryg@batpad.lgb.ca.us (Larry Greenfield)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 23:10:08 PST
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

Well, when I crossed the border into Canada a few years back with a 
friend who is originally from Russia (with him and his dad), the border 
guards going TO Canada were nice enough, but cming back to the US side, 
they heard my friend's dad Russian accent, and asked for papers. The 
guard looked at them, then asked me if I had some ID. I told him I had a 
drivers license, and the guard made some comment like "Oh, well, I guess 
you've acquired a home-grown accent" to me (yes, "home-grown" was the 
term he used). I never did say that we weren't related, I just showed him 
my Calif Drivers License, and he let us go.  So we didn't have any 
problems going TO Canada, but strangely enough, my sister and her husband 
did. They stopped the car to search, took everything out, and didn't 
apologize or put anything back when they didn't find anything.  And I 
can't think of one "evil" profile my sister might match...
:::::Larry:::::

::::::::::::::::::Classical Violinists Never Miss A Beat:::::::::::::::::
::::::::::::::::::::::::We Just Blame The Violas:::::::::::::::::::::::::
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: Racial Harassment at Cal (+tokenism)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:42:55 GMT

In article <1jhecnINN3as@male.EBay.Sun.COM> (defensio libertatis) writes:
>Judy,
>
>I was a student at Cal a while back. An Asian-American friend experienced an
>incident like yours along Piedmont Ave. He was walking by a fraternity house
>and one white guy said to another something like "There goes another dink". 
>Of course, my friend was hurt a bit but got over the insult--as we
>all must and eventually do.
>
>After I graduated from Cal, I was at a club in San Francisco with my boyfriend
>when a caucasian (who, I later learned, was also a student at Berkeley and had
>plenty of gay Asian [token?] friends) came up to my boyfriend and expressed 
>interest in him. My lover then pointed to me, an Asian of course, and said we
>were together.
>
>The guy then looked me up and down and said with barely suppressed
>jealousy: "Oh. Asian and white. That seems to be the fad now doesn't it?"
>
>By the way, I don't believe how many Asians I've met in the gay community at
>Berkeley and elsewhere who have these white friends who take the liberty (because
>they feel "It's okay" to do so in front of their Asian "friends") of making
>outright racist remarks about all kinds of people, including Asians. And these
>Asian guys just seem to laugh it off and think it's cute to have a white queen
>make fun of their "people". 
>
>Has anyone, gay or straight, white, black, or asian, seen this phenomenon?
>I guess if asians can tolerate having a friend who makes disparaging remarks
>about them in jest it's fine but I personally prefer to have friends who don't
>contribute to my own internalized negative self-image. I want to be around 
>people who regard me on equal terms and take me seriously...
>
>-M. Aurelius Insularum 
>
> 

I think this kind of attitude is pervasive among "Rice Queens" and
other people who are hung up on dating someone of a certain race.
In healthy interracial couples, the two partners see each other as
individuals and treat each other with love and respect.  But when someone
says they are "into Asian guys" or "Asian girls", it shows that they're
fixated on a class, and have reduced the individuals belonging to that
class to objects.  Thus, there's no conflict at all in making rude remarks
about Asians in front of one's Asian girlfriend/boyfriend, because Asians
don't count as humans, and as non-humans, our feelings don't count.

What disturbs me more is seeing people happily sucking up this kind of
abuse.  Well, I guess to each his/her own...
						--Alan Hu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: vagarwal@dis9002.shearson.com (Virendra Agarwal)
Subject: Re: Asian american males with African american females
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:24:55 GMT


	    I'm a new poster on this net and I was wondering:  Do any 
   Asian-american men find African-american women attractive?  I've never 
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   really read or seen this combination anywhere in the U.S.  I read the 
   many postings, but haven't read anything about this... Any thoughts?
---------------------------------

Sure but not common yet. As the new generation grows, you might see more. Asian 
community is still new compared to other communities in this country because of
controlled immigration in the past.

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vagarwal@shearson.com
212-464-2151
Lehman Brothers
388 Greenwich st.(9th Flr.)
NewYork, NY 10013
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the judge!
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:01:21 GMT

In article 1jovqjINNgc@gilligan.East.Sun.COM, mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:
>|In article <1993Jan21.015110.8181@colorado.edu> pellouch@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Philip Pellouchoud) writes:
>|>In article <1993Jan20.151728.7585@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>|>
>|>>  In the South, they have Robert E. Lee's birthday.
>|>
>|>Boy, I guess me being from Hicksville Colorado, I didn't realize
>|>that!  Again though, not a "nationally recognized holiday."
>|>
>|
>|I don't know what part of the south Clare is referring to, but
>|I grew up in Athens, Ga., and I don't even know when Robt. E.
>|Lee's birthday is, nor do I recall ever having a day off in
>|honor of it.
>|
>|On the other hand, Virginia (which I consider to be "the north")
>|has memorials to the confederacy everywhere. Of course, that
>|could be because there were many historic civil war battles here.
>|
>|-- Mike


Virginia was a part of the Confederacy.  This is why there is a West 
Virginia, they were on the Union side.


BTW, Georgia is undergoing a sort of symbolic battle over the state
flag.  The Confederate battle flag is featured prominently on 
the Georgia State flag and the governor wants to change it.  So
far he has raised the hackles of many.  The confederate flag was
added onto the georgia flag in 1956 as a reaction against the 
civil rights movement.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the judge!
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
	<1993Jan27.050517.22566@netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:50:52 GMT

   timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee) writes:

   mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
   |As far as racism and slavery: It's clear from reading Jefferson's own
   |writing that he was strongly opposed to slavery.  One of the first
   |bills that he introduced as a young Virginia legislators would have
   |made it legal for a slaveowner to free slaves (the bill lost).

   Hmmm, this sounds really strange.  What if a slave owner didn't want
   the slave to be a slave any more?  What was s/he supposed to do?

A reasonable question in our time, a little more complex in
Jefferson's time.  Let's assume that for the typical 18th-century
white person, a slave was sort of like a dog or a cow: a useful,
domesticated animal.  Then your question becomes "what if a dog owner
doesn't want to keep the dog any more?  What is s/he supposed to do?"

The answer (in most of the U.S. anyway) is that you give the dog to a
friend, you give the dog to some appropriate institution, or you have
the dog killed.  You can't just "set your dogs free" because they
become pests, and people then wind up hunting them down and killing
them.  Probably white people in 18th-century Virginia had ideas of
roving packs of freed slaves preying on the land, much as packs of
feral dogs hunt.

Part of what Jefferson wanted was to introduce the idea of freeing
slaves as a sensible legal concept, which requires that slaves be (at
least in some sense) persons, as dogs and cows are not.  Presumably
his opponents saw the slippery slope involved in admitting that slaves
had any resemblance to persons, so they tried to keep it impossible to
legally free slaves.

   With repect to Jefferson and his own slaves, why didn't he unenslave them
   by going to a state where unenslaving slaves was legal and declare them
   unenslaved there?

Well, this is one of those areas where he does seem to have been
something of a hypocrite.  The transportation might have been
difficult to do and there might have been other problems.  But I would
guess that basically he didn't free his slaves unilaterally because
his livelihood depended on slave labor, and he probably saw no reason
to impoverish himself to be morally pure.  If he and everyone else in
Virginia had to set their slaves free, people would have to work out
alternate economic arrangements and he might get to stay Thomas
Jefferson, wealthy planter.  Simply giving away his slaves would have
left him as only Thomas Jefferson, self-impoverished nut.

If others have more information on this subject, I'd be interested in
reading it.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ucb.general
From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Living on Planet Me)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the judge!
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:35:06 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: thedarktower.corp.sun.com


	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe):
	> Compared to the Japanese-cu and the Americans-cu, those people 
	> are truly dic...

Gee do you mean dic...K? Now we can add this to your list which already includes
baboon, idiot, and twit. Rounds it out to nice even number, doesn't it?

So much for debating "with decorum." Ha ha. I knew you didn't mean it.

	Have a nice day!

	  Melinda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: My last word on ...Philip Pellouchoud
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:03:10 GMT

Philip, once again I come up against the wall of perception.  You perceive
what you want to perceive and ignore the rest of the world.  It isn't just a matter
of strict numbers, it is the symbolism of the day.  By saying there are 
others more deserving you are, by implication, saying that the King holiday is somehow bestowed on someone who has not done as much as others and that there are others far
more deserving.  I challenged you once before to name people more deserving than
Dr. King or of having done more for the easing of racial tension in these United 
States.  You have so far ignored that challenge.  Well, I would be curious to see
who you would put ahead of Dr. King as far as the fight for racial equality is concerned.

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*Electric Power Laboratory	Snail mail: 33787 Ga. Tech Station * 
*School of Electrical Engineering	    Atlanta, GA 30332      *
*Georgia Institute of Technology			    	   *
*Atlanta, Georgia						   *
*   	"Pass, Set, CRUSH!"...					   * 
*  	Well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad for a short, fat guy. 	   *
*								   *
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From: (defensio libertatis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Joke
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:25:09 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: train.ebay.sun.com


Ha! That's the best joke I've heard in a while! ;)
From: mwy10@cd.amdahl.com (Mathew W. Yee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Before this gets out of hand...
Date: 28 Jan 93 07:18:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1k7tvs$jqn@agate.berkeley.edu>, ollie@ocf.berkeley.edu
(Oliver Wang) writes:
>As objectionable as some of you may find the latest offering by
>underdog (
>Dwight Joe), keep in mind that by posting scathing responses, you're
>probably 
>just encouraging him to post more inflammatory stuff in the future.  If
>you
>feel the need to give him a written whack in the ass, email him in
>private.

Hmmmm....are you reasonably new around here, or are you trying to warn new
people?  If I had a nickel for every idiotic post by DJ, reply to a said
idiotic DJ post, and posts saying that we should ignore DJ, I'd have been
a rich man long ago :)

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All opinions are my own and do not represent Amdahl Corporation in any way,
shape, form, color, texture, taste, smell, feel, etc., etc., ad nausea.
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: On Hating Whites was Re: * Michael Crichton
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:53:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8fLq6vG00iV3I91Z9B
	<24646@alice.att.com>
Organization: Masters student, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Mr./Ms. JJ writes:

.

{Gross speculation deleted}

>In this, this individual is very much like those apologists I see
>for those who would espouse white supremecy, black supremecy, or
>what-have-you.  This individual seeks to justify her or his
>intolerance and abject misinformation about white people based
>on false, vindictive, and vicious stereotyping, while he or she
>raves on about the same sort of behavior in their target group.
>Such an astonishing lack of consistancy, so forthrightly put
>forward, can only question the individual's entire position and
>philosophy.

Isn't this the best! This individual doesn't know the hoorible treatment
that I've been taken by those humans whom were white. I don't hate white
people. I go to a school full of them. It is insulting to me that you
are assuming that my true experiences are "Misinformation about white
people based on false, vindictive and vicious stereotyping"! This is a
funny ascertion. but, it is another attempt to angelical-ized those
people who are extremely bigotted and who are aslo white. I've seen many
attempts but this takes the cake!

Alot of intelligent words! But, no substances!

Here is substance and truth:


The Great Caucasian European Blunder Pt. One