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From: mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Falcon's claw...
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:15:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <Btt5F1.JyD@rice.edu> carolan@owlnet.rice.edu (Bryan Carolan Dunne) writes:
>
>Actually, WEG has a major function of the "claw" on the front of the Falcon.  WEG shows a 
>concussion missle launcher recessed within the "claw", and in RotJ, Lando fires several missles
>at the main reactor.  These missles cleary come from the recession inside the "claw".  (Also, they
>must be concussion missles because, Wedge couldn't dent it with his proton torpedos, and Lando
>annihilated it).  With a missle launcher (and magazine) right inside the "claw" I don't see how
>a cargo space could be put there.
>

	First of all, I am sure that the normal Correllian cruiser does
	not carry those missile launchers.  This is a modification, only
	of *many* to the Falcon.  I am pretty sure this launcher was not
	installed until just before the rebel attack in RotJ.

	Also, I pointed out that these claws are probably NOT used for
	LOADING cargo onto the Falcon itself.  These could have been
	origially used for hooking onto cargo pods floating in space
	to be pushed (like a tug) to a large cargo vessel for transport.
	I can't see how they could be used for anything else.  For anything 
	thay you could load onto the Falcon, you might as well do it with
	a had truck because that is all that would be necessary.  The
	Falcon can't hold anything very large.

	The missile mounts are just a clever modification, IMHO, that 
	the rebels installed so that the Falcon could carry out its attack
	mission more successfully in RotJ.


	_/_/_/_/   _/_/_/_/   _/_/_/   	Han:  "I knew you were going to say
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	_/_/_/_/   _/_/_/   _/            
	_/   _/    _/       _/          Ben:  "Who's more foolish, the fool
	_/    _/   _/       _/     _/          or the fool who follows him?"
	_/     _/  _/_/_/_/   _/_/_/      
	Robert E. Casey  (mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu)
From: gownder@husc9.harvard.edu (Joseph Gownder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Information Request
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:12:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Sep4.131226.15369
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


I just watched the whole Trilogy last night in one sitting, and it reminded
me just how much I love Star Wars.  I'm completely new to this group, though,
and would like some info:

- can someone tell me how to get the FAQ file?

- what is Mark Hamill up to these days? How old is he now?  I've seen 
news about Carrie Fischer and (of course) Harrison Ford, but I'd like
to know about Mark Hamill.  

Please e-mail me if possible.

- J. P.
gownder@husc9.harvard.edu

P.S. Thanks!
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From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Subject: Re: FAQ - NEW VERSION!!!!
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 03:47:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.015601.1999@tc.cornell.edu> chris@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Chris Wolf) writes:

>Q 013:   Is it true that a tennis shoe appears in one of the space battle
>         scenes in ROTJ?  If so where?

>Answer:  boisvert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Brian Richard Boisvert) answers:

>            My roommates have found the elusive tennis sneaker in Return
>            of the Jedi.  It is in the space battle scene right before
>            the first blast from the Death Star destroys a rebel ship.
>            One of the rebels says:  "Three of them coming in 20 degrees."
>            And then Wedge says "Cut to the left, I'll take the leader."
>            Very soon after there is a view of space from inside a rebel
>            ship.  If you watch in the upper right hand side of the screen,
>            after two TIE fighters explode (one for no apparent reason :-))
>            a huge tennis sneaker appears.  You can clearly see the treads
>            on the bottom and you can begin to see a blue Nike-ish logo on
>            the side.  It is very quick so slow motion and freeze frame are
>            essential.

>         Further debate of this on rec.arts.sf.starwars and examination
>         of the scene on some very high quality video equipment has led to
>         the conclusion that this is NOT actually a tennis shoe but rather
>         a blurred image of a Mon Calamari ship of some type.  The blue
>         Nike-ish logo is actually docking ports or something on the side
>         of the ship.  The rumor of a tennis shoe in Return of the Jedi
>         still persists but apparently noone has managed to locate it yet.

I searched for this one myself. I remember seeing an interview with an ILM 
techie once where he said that yes this is true. So I know it's there, but I 
can't find it. 
	My opinion is is that it can't be found on video because, and this 
is the key: It has been cut out of the frame. We all know that ROTJ was 
filmed in 2.35:1 aspect ratio, or wide screen. Sometimes called "Scope" 
well, I feel that the offending sneaker is towards the edge of the frame on 
the wide screen and has been cropped out of the video version. Perhaps 
someone with a widescreen LD could actually find it, although I bet it's 
pretty small. I think the guy in the interview said it was in the shot 
through the Millenium Falcon's windshield (?) where all of the TIEs go 
whizzing by.


Jeff Jonsson
Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
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From: mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy)
Subject: Re: Falcon In Tractor Beam
Keywords: Falcon
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:16:07 GMT

In article <66867@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0754b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Richard Deyonke) writes:
>
>    I have a major problem with the MF being captured by the
>Death Star in ANH.  Han and the others hide out and the imperial
>officer reports that "According to the log the crew abandoned
>ship right after takeoff.  And  SEVERAL ESCAPE PODS HAVE BEEN
>JETTISONN."  


What if Han jettison the escape pods (or removed them) for just
this type of incident.  After all, there would be provident planning.

Or it could be another case of Jedi mind control from Ben.

Or a lack of continuity from the authors

Or maybe ...


-- 
Da mihi castitatem et continentiam, sed noli modo. 
Confessions of St. Augustine, Book VIII, Chapter 7
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From: gretchen@cco.caltech.edu (Gretchen Millendore)
Subject: Re: Lava
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:49:08 GMT

yyrkoon@lucky.engin.umich.edu (Jeffrey Jon Kabbe ) writes:


>Many people have posted comments concerning the possibilty that our hero, 
>Darth Vader fell into a pool of lava.  Ignoring the fact that someone might have
>read this somewhere, lets look at this realistically.  If Vader fell into a 
>pool of lava (a volcano even) and SOMEHOW managed to live it could only have 
>been due to the force.  I find this very unlikely.  EVen though the force is
>powerful, I don't think its THAT powerful. Maybe he could have used the force
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Never underestimate the power of the Dark side."  ;)

>to prevent himself from falling in but, that's irrelevant to this discussion.
>Now, assuming that Darth used the force to survive that, then why couldn't the
>Emporer, much more powerful in the ways of the force than Vader, stop himself
>from falling down the shaft of the Death Star.  Seems kind of unlikely doesn't
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well, you've got a good point there...  I guess that even stronger than the
power of the Dark side is the power, of, hmmm....  Father-son bond?  Love?
No, no, that's not it.  Could it be... PLOT CONTRIVANCE?  Welcome the land
of Hollywood and happy endings.
 
>it?  But then, many of you do seem to get a funny taste in your mouth when
>talking about Return.


>Jeff Kabbe

Gretchen Mullendore
gretchen@cco.caltech.edu

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From: tsv@dbrus.Unify.Com (Tim Vannaman)
Subject: Re: Big rebel ships
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:55:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.094544.7660@ll.mit.edu> shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham) writes:
>The large rebel ships (cruisers, frigates) that went into action in the
>battle of Endor (ROTJ) seem kind of useless! only the rebel fighters did
>anything. Mostly, the fighters were busy PROTECTING the big ships from
>the Impirials until the shield was destroyed.
>
>So, my question is: what are those ships good for anyway? and even if there
>are situations that call for big ship, using them in the Endor battle was
>clearly silly. They just became targets! (which proved devestating when the
>DS II turned out to be operational).
>
>The big Imperial ships, on the other hand, do seem to serve some fighting
>functions (they shoot!). And this leads to another question, why did the
>Emperor order the Imperial fleet to stay out of the fighting in that battle?

   Good Q!
>


He is the typical overconfidend villian.  They underestimate the good guys and
end up losing.  Of course, he  didn't want to hit any of his own ships w/
the DS II's main gun.  If he'd ordered the fleet to attack and not try to put
on a 'big show' w/ his new toy, they'd have been destroyed before the shield wasdeactivated!

Tim.
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From: mmadsen@eecs.umich.edu (Martin Madsen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: By the Way...
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:10:58 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Organization: University of Michigan


	By the way, In '77, '80 or '83 does anyone know if the "Cast" of
the SW Trilogy or any individuals appeared hosting Saturday Night
Live?  I know this doesn't have much to do with SW, but I would have
liked to have seen Darth Vader as a stand up comic?
	
								Just Wonderin'

	Martin Madsen


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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: From Star Wars to Jedi ....
Date: 29 Aug 92 08:22:37 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Aug28.213206.5387@nic.funet.fi> tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes:
>If you're ready to bet money on it, I'll bet my $10 on it happening in
>'93 (note that I'm not saying anything about any month). So, do you
>accept my bet? (I'm not willing to bet money with any others since I
>don't have too many $10s to lose if I happen to be wrong.)

	I'm split on this one...
 First of all, I agree with the original poster, keeping a new Star Wars
movie a secret would be incredibly tough!  However it's hard to ignore
the current Star Wars blitz.  Star Wars is making its way back into
Mainstream, movie in '93 or not...It could be a build up for what is to
come in '97 (Is this when Lucas says it is?) but there's an aweful lot of
stuff out there now (New Books, New Comics, New Computer Games, etc) and
you'd think if they kept it up everyone would just be fed up with Star Wars
by 1997 :) If it came out next year, though...Hmm
From: adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Lava
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:09:35 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <wHl-tR#@engin.umich.edu> yyrkoon@lucky.engin.umich.edu (Jeffrey Jon Kabbe ) writes:
>							If Vader fell into a 
>pool of lava (a volcano even) and SOMEHOW managed to live it could only have 
>been due to the force.  I find this very unlikely.  EVen though the force is
>powerful, I don't think its THAT powerful.

"I find your lack of faith disturbing."
"The power to destroy a planet is nothing when set against the power of the
Force."

Words from the man himself, and who can disagree with them?  And live to
boast about disagreeing? :-)

>Now, assuming that Darth used the force to survive that, then why couldn't the
>Emporer, much more powerful in the ways of the force than Vader, stop himself
>from falling down the shaft of the Death Star.

Ah-ha.  Another person who is in for a nasty surprise if they ever get round
to making Star Wars VII.  :-)

-- 
 "Keyboard?  How quaint!" - M. Scott

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From: tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte)
Subject: Re: Falcon In Tractor Beam
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:24:58 GMT

Ok, a slightly different question. The Blockade Runner (or whatever
Leia's ship is that is doing a Tattoine flyby at the beginning of ANH)
is caught by a Star Destroyer(?)'s tractor beam, right?

LONG after this, R2-D2 and C3PO eject in an escape pod.

Do people think that it's kinda silly for an escape pod to escape a
tractor beam?

Or am I missing something large?

ObSWKudo:	I really like C3PO's line that we hear right about this
		time where he says that the damage doesn't look as bad
		from the outside. I think that kinda sounds... I dunno,
		touristy.
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: Star Wars Role Playing Figures
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 04:14:28 GMT

The Star Wars miniatures line was discontinued but WEG will be
releasing a new line of miniatures this fall.  The first line of
miniatures was killed due to some kind of problem with the production
end of things.


-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)
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From: dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Subject: Re: Falcon's claw...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4  
Reply-To: dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu
Organization: University of Administrative Incompetence
Date:  1 SEP 92 18:48:24    

In article <1992Sep1.211507.21664@u.washington.edu>, mcclaine@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Casey) writes...
>	First of all, I am sure that the normal Correllian cruiser does
>	not carry those missile launchers.  This is a modification, only
>	of *many* to the Falcon.  I am pretty sure this launcher was not
>	installed until just before the rebel attack in RotJ.

Sounds completely plausible to me, but just out of curiosity, what is your 
basis for that last sentence?

--Gallandro

  From 1964:
  Reporter: "What do you think of the campaign in Detroit to stamp out the
             Beatles?"
  Paul McCartney: "We've got a campaign of our own to stamp out Detroit."
From: sdt8s@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Was Wedge a Spy?
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:51:31 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

bh7030307@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
> Here's a question that has been puzzling me for quite some time.  In the
> beginning of ANH, Princess Leia's blockade runner was being pursued by a star
> destroyer.  Now, since it has been established that ships cannot be tracked
> through hyperspace, how does the star destroyer know where the blockade runner
> would go?  

Course projection along their last known trajectory--see ESB.

> 
> Also, we are not talking about ANY star destroyer here, we are talking Darth
> Vader's flagship.  And good ole' Darth doesn't seem the type to be chasing
> across the galaxy on wild hunches.  Therefore, my speculation is that there was
> a spy on board the blockade runner, one who knew that it was headed for the
> backwater world of Tatooine.  My guess would be the ship's captain, who I
> believe is Captain Antilles.

But it could also have been the navigator or comm officer or
anyone on the bridge crew. This assuming, of course, that there
WAS a spy on board; personally, I don't think so.

> 
> There has been fan speculation that Cpt Antilles is the father of Wedge, which
> would now place Wedge's loyalty in question.  Several points:
> 
> 1.	In ANH, when Vader scored a hit on Wedge's ship, it didn't look too
> serious.  Yet he took the opportunity to bug out on Luke.

He did not "take the opportunity" to leave Luke. Vader's hit
had rendered his X-wing unable to continue fighting. LUKE
HIMSELF told Wedge to get clear.

> 
> 2.	In RoTJ, when Lando tells Admiral Ackbar that the Death Star's shield
> were still up, Wedge counters with the question, "Are you sure?".

Doesn't prove anything except that Wedge was surprised at such
a tremendous deviation from the battle plan. Nor does it
suggest anything other than surprise, and the desire for
confirmation of Lando's statement.

> 
> I would like to know what the rest of you think of this.  Thanks.

Now you know! :-)

> 
> 
> Cerebus
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From: jng53092@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Gad)
Subject: Re: Random Ramblings (The Sith, cut scenes from ESB, etc.)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:45:18 GMT

tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:


>In a previous article, umwieb69@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Brent Michael J. Wiebe) says:

>>Oh well, so much for the ramblings, and let me know if anyone wants me 
>>to post 'The Star Wars That Might Have Been.'
>>

>I'm interested.

Yeah, me too.

Jon Gad
"The meek will inherit the Earth.  The rest of us will go to the stars..."

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From: cad214@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("P.Craig")
Subject: Re: canon
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:00:32 GMT

It's good to hear someone with a sensible viewpoint for once. I myself love
absolutely anything to do with Star Wars, and it annoys me just a teensy wee bit
to hear other Star Wars fans not liking something cause it's not 'canon'. Who the
hell chose that word anyway??
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From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus)
Subject: Re: Mark Hamill's employed again
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 07:11:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.185150.23392@udel.edu> lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim) writes:
>
>	I forget whether anyone else has posted this here, but Mark Hamill
>finally has another job. Fox is producing a daily afternoon _Batman_ animated
>series, in which Hamill will be voicing the Joker. Or at least, so I've heard
>from various sources; I've listened to the _Batman_ promos in which the Joker
>speaks, and it doesn't sound much like the way I remember Hamill's voice. But
>then again, this is a vastly different character from Luke, and who knows what
>his voice may have gone through since '83?
>
Well, he has been doing other projects, like an episode of the Flash TV series,
and working the cons dealing in comics (Hamill's a collector, for those who
don't know).  There was also talk on Rec.arts.animation.anime that he had
starred in a live-action version of Guyver, a popular manga (I'm not
sure that he actually did it, mind you, but that's what I hear).  He's
been keeping fairly busy, and I know there's more than just what I've 
mentioned; maybe some kind soul will pipe up with his or her own knowledge
to add.

The Walrus
From: golden@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Timothy A. Goldenburg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Halloween
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:40:54 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas

Hi, I have been toying with the idea of dressing up as a star wars character
for Halloween.  The reason I mention it so early is that it may take me
some time to get all of the necessary clothing and accessories together.
I am thinking of dressing as Han Solo since that would be one of the easiest
costumes to put together (even from scratch), but I have seen stormtrooper
masks made of vinyl for sale.  Is there anyway to get the full blown suit.
I would think it would be really stupid just to wear the mask without the armor.
And is there a lightsaber prop like the phaser props they sell from the
star trek movies?

Thanks.

Tim

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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: Star Wars Radio Series Available?
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
	<1992Sep2.034807.21476@access.usask.ca>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:37:45 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:48:07 GMT, julie@skatter.usask.ca said:

julie> From article <1992Sep1.201647.1@ossenu.astro.nwu.edu>, by terman@ossenu.astro.nwu.edu:
> Awhile ago, NPR broadcasted a radio series version of Star Wars and
> The Empire Strikes Back (perhaps they also did Return of the Jedi).
> Does anyone know if
> this is avaible on tape/cd?

julie> I just bought something called "The Story of Star Wars, the
julie> complete album on cassette" with music and dialogue from the
julie> Motion picture.  It came with a "souvenir photo book."  I also
julie> got a similar thing with ESB and also one with the "Rebel
julie> Mission to Ord Mantell" which, of course had no photos ;) Could
julie> this be a similar thing?

No this is different. The radio shows were play like shows, with real
voice charectors, and sounds. They are suppost to come out on tape
(don't know about CD, but i'm hoping) at the beginning of 93.

--
                        Scott Streeter
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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Update to Falcon In Tractor Beam
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:29:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <66974@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0754b@prism.gatech.EDU (John Richard Deyonke) writes:
>The  layout of the Falcon (according to the West End RPG) shows
>that there are two escape pods, one above the ramp and another
>one at the same location on the port side of the ship.  Looking

	There HAS to be more than 2, at least in the Movie Universe.
The Imperial Officer says "several" pods have been ejected, this means more 
than one and implies more than two (he'd probably have said 'THE escape pods'
or 'all of the escape pods' in that case)
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