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From: nhuang@cs.ulowell.edu (Bill Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Any Good Majong Games in Taiwan
Date: 19 Dec 92 03:44:04 GMT
Organization: ZEN Self Constraint Institute of Technology


hi all, did anybody find any good majong game in united states or taiwan?
i am sick of palying hong kong or japanese style majong, if there any 
taiwan style majong, please e-mail me, thank you!



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From: v999rke8@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Date: 19 Dec 92 17:43:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec9.082408.2447@u.washington.edu>, seb@stein.u.washington.edu (-s e b a s t i a n-) writes...
> 
>>	again, all i want to say is: most people from mainland still dress
>>	like homeless, act like homeless, and talk and write on the net
>>	like homeless. 
>> 

   You surprised me. You look more like a homeless, even if you have some 
money. If you look at those who have less money than you in this way, 
it is not difficult to imagine the way you look at those who have more money 
than you. 

> 
>	sorry about my harsh language but what i should've said in my
>	statement was: some people from mainland, not most people.
>		       ^^^^			      ^^^^
>	i was attacking directly against those who look at the taiwanese
>	as rich bums spending all they want and making people from
>	mainland look not as 'good'. 
> 
   Who cares whether taiwanese are rich or not? It has nothing to do with 
me.

>	oh, by the way, u talked about how taiwan was humiliated by
>	japan in the earlier century, to tell u the truth, i have
>	nothing against japan, not a thing. so what? it was part of
>	the ignorant past, who cares! 
> 
>	------------------------------
>	i'll sleep when i'm dead. /seb
>	------------------------------

How many TIers are like you? I wish there are many. Nobody would worry about 
a flock of boneless, and homeless political prostitutes.

Oh, by the way, you know a lot of English bad words. Where did you learn 
them?

Hsi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: ccchou@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chih-Che Chou)
Subject: Re: Watching CCTV in Taiwan
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:02:17 GMT

In article <1g84tmINNpeq@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.172548.890@zip.eecs.umich.edu> ccchou@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chih-Che Chou) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec7.152859.4110@vax.cns.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>	** Just let you know one more thing I know about mainlanders:
>>>>	   In general, mainlanders are easier to change their living
>>>>	   attitude by environments.
>>>
>>>Watch what you are saying!
>>>Don't try to drag everyone from mainland in this discussion.
>>>If you want to say Mr. Lin changes his attitude by enviroment, then
>>>just say it.  Don't say mainlanders are easier to change.  
>>>
>>Of course, I oppose this kind of analogy and induction, just mention it, and
>>maybe you can think a while why you didn't say those previous car-buying
>>articles "drag" everyone in mainland in "that" discussion.  :)
>>
>Those who said mainlander are buying cars didn't offense anyone.
>As long as I am not offensed, I will not say anything other than
>the argument.
>(Even someone said, "In general, Taiwanese are xxxxxxx", I wouldn't
>say anything.  I only defence my belief and myself)
>
>Wen

So, do you believe in logics?   Or more precisely, is your logics one of
your believes?    Should you defend your way of logic inference when somebody
misuse it? 

cc

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ioguo@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (OA Guo)
Subject: Re:    HATE EACH OTHER ? TIME FOR TIAWAN INDEPENDENCE
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 18 Dec 1992 09:30 EDT  

In article <1992Dec17.102520.4161@vax.cns.muskingum.edu>, ericlaw@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes...
>In article <1992Dec15.200206.4980@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>> 
>> However, I think that to reunite or not to reunite is a decision that must be
>> made by the residents of Taiwan.  No one should be able to force their will
>> on the decision, which should take all factors, including the threat of a
>> mainland military invasion, under consideration.  I advocate a union; I also
>> advocate the right to independence (but *don't* advocate independence).
> 
> 
>	** You can not love both God and money. You have to make
>	   a choice.

	Why can't I love them both?  As long as I have priorities there is
	no conflict.
> 
>	   I choose God. So I am for unification only. There may be
>	   technical problems. However, the goal is clear.

	What is the logic from God -> unification?  I can say "I choose God.
	So I am for independence only."  What is the difference?  Actually,
	neither makes any sense.
	
	Actually, if you really want to mix God with politics.  You should
	say, "I choose God.  So, I am for Democracy, because God made people
	and gave them free wills to choose.  That is how I honor the will of
	of God."
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang)
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:25:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.233244.6506@cs.ucf.edu> jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen Jinxiong) writes:
>I bet no Japanese would think in the opposite way. No wonder
>why "Taiwan was surrendered". Glad to here some of you declare
>you are not Chinese !
>
>-Chen Jinxiong
>
Exactly, being Chinese means that one is civilized in the Chinese
terms, right?  Among the slaves of Manchurians, the most civilized
slaves must be those Chinese who served the Manchurian Court.  Do
you know Lee Hung-Zhang?  Do you know the 1895 Sino-Japanese War?
Lee went to Japan to cede Taiwan to Japan after his Manchurian
Master lost the war against Japan over the control of Korea.  He
must feel very bad that he had also to cede the ancestral land of
his masters' so he made a notice on the bright side.  He said,
"Taiwan is just a tumor; birds do not sing; flowers have no
fragrance; males have no compassion; females have no morality;
residents are less civilized than beasts; we can face our ancestors
(Manchurians, of course) without shame that we ceded this island."

Jinxiong XianShen, you are right.  Taiwan was ceded partly because
Taiwanese was not qualify to be Chinese who should be at least more
civilized than beasts.  Lee Huangzhang XianShen who fought against
the less civilized Southern Chinese Army which fought for an non-
Manchurian China knew that being civilized is to serve one's master
well without rebellions.  Taiwanese was just barbaric.  Their twenty
year struggle with Japanese force sometimes risked the life of
entire village.  But Taiwanese do qualify to become Chinese now.
That's what I heard, right?  Being civilized is be slave!  If Chinese
could serve Manchurians which had less population than Japanese as
masters, it would be self-genecidal if Taiwanese did not bend against
the Japanese who overnumbered Taiwnese (Say for every Taiwanese, there
were six Japanese.  Think that Japan sent 1/3 of its army and most
of its navy to take Taiwan.  I don't know how did those Chinese military
serving Manchurians lost the war.)  How can a civilized Chinese agree
with a genecidal fight in a lossing battle.  You don't get 1/3 of the
wolrd population that way (Somehow Chinese's share in global population
shrinked in the last two centuries).

Seriously, how did Chinese incorporate Manchurian into their society?
Because they want the land of Manchurian and other Manchurian colonies?
Maybe it was so, but what's more important is that it is not healthy
maintain hatred against any nation that enslaved or colonized your
nation.  That way, you enslave yourself with hatred.  Taiwanese have
long forgiven those Chinese officers sent by the Manchurian Court to
suppress the prosperity of the frontier with pillage and massacre.  It
is unusual for Taiwanese to forgive Japanese or Chinese for what their
governments had done to Taiwan.

Enjoy the hollidays,

William H.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: annel@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Anne LAM)
Subject: NAN Huai Chin & East West Essence Society
Keywords: culture
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:34:58 GMT

Hello Netters,

	I'm reading this great book called:
	"A New Approach to the Confucian Analects"

	which must be on its 20th+ reprints since 1976.

	It is in chinese and its really really great, even
	for people like me who have no previous experience
	in Confucian readings.

	BTW does anyone know anything more about the author
	of this book? It's really a waste that he is not
	better known.

Cheers.
E-mails welcome.
annel@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au
From: tao@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Eric Yihching Tao)
Subject: Re: The outcome of the election 1992 in Taiwan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 20 Dec 92 07:16:35 GMT

In article <Dec.19.11.18.02.1992.11824@gandalf.rutgers.edu> hongyu@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Henry S.) writes:
>News from Taiwan said that in the law-maker election 1992, DPP get 36% of voting, which is higher than before. Shih, Ming-Der get the highest poll in Tainan City. Except for Taipei, most DPP candidate got the highest poll in each area.
> 

I got conflicting news about the result, someone please clarify,
did KMT get 96 seats or 102 seats?

Eric
From: pohsunch@aludra.usc.edu (Po-Hsun Cheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Shit CCP!
Date: 15 Dec 1992 21:01:09 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Absolutely agree ur points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao)
Subject: Book Suggestion
Organization: AT&T Bell Lab
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:42:00 GMT

For those who are willing to spend time to know more about Taiwan:

I would like to introduce a book to all of you. The name of the book
is "T'ai-Wan T'i Ch'i" (Taiwan Geography). I forget the actual
English name on the book. The author is Chen, Cheng-Hsiang, then
National Taiwan University Professor. It is published by Prof. Chen's
own geographical institute named after his father, "Fu Min", in early
1960 in three volumes.

If you've never seen this book, I guess you will be amazed that someone
could make a geography book for a "small" island so thick (more than
1,500 pages.) Yes, it is a 30-year-old book. But it is so great that
you just cannot miss it. 23 chapters (I hope I still remember it right)
talk about the growth track of Taiwan. It is not just a geography book.
You will know what's going on in Taiwan during the first 50 to 60 years
of the century. To some sense, it is also a history book. You will see
what was Taiwan then during Japan's occupation. To me, it is the best
geography book on Taiwan of all time.

Where you can get the book? In Taiwan, you can find it in Taiwan Univ.,
Cheng-Kung Univ., and Central Library. Other than these, I am not quite
sure. In the US, I know uiuc.edu has it. So, I have strong reason to
believe it won't be too hard to find. If anybody has more information,
please also post it.

There are other Prof. Chen's publications on Taiwan. Of all that I've
been read, they are all great books.

Please don't hesitate to post other book suggestions to the net.

Heng-Hsin
From: cul8er@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (* JOHNNY CHIU * KB5SJN *)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Sites
Date: 19 Dec 92 07:30:00 GMT
Reply-To: cul8er@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (* JOHNNY CHIU * KB5SJN *)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: cul8er@happy.cc.utexas.edu

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Super Power in new century and Yellow Peril
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:06:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.003540.735@athena.mit.edu> joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang) writes:

>One possibility that worries me is this.  Right now, ABC's make up
>less than 2% of the U.S. population, but at the same time about
>the incoming freshman class of MIT and about 5 to 10% of many Ivy
>League universities.  
>
>Suppose twenty to thirty years from now, ABC's make up a significant
>number of the American business and scientific elite (say 20-25%)
>while making up a small amount of the total population (say 5%).
>Suppose also that China becomes an economic superpower and the United
>States goes into depression.
>
>The would result in a rather dangerous situation for ABC's, and since
>the United States has never encountered anything like this, I'm not
>sure how it would react.

The Jews are already in this situation, and they seem to be handling the
situation well.  There is always the underlying current of anti-Semitism
around, but the Jews, being well represented politically, have their voices
heard.

The problem with the Chinese people, of course, is that we aren't as
politically involved as the Jews in this country.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: seb@stein.u.washington.edu (-s e b a s t i a n-)
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:03:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.211706.17115@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>In article <Bz0s0s.Mq4@ecf.toronto.edu> huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING) writes:
>>>    You are the ones who are homeless. Been conquered and completely
>>>enslaved by the Japanese to the point of forgetting your real name,
>>
>>     Taiwan was surrendered to the Japanese in 1894.  We were not conquered.
>>
>
>Yes, even more disgusting, Chinese lost to Japanese and gave up Taiwan.
>I'm glad Taiwanese have a chance to experience another culture which is
>much better than the Chinese culture.
>
>Yi-Chieh


	some of my relatives (elder) still speak japanese in taiwan.
	they had japanese education in the early years because taiwan
	was occupied by japan.

	i think this is rather an ADVANTAGE to those taiwanese because
	simply because the more languages you know, the more benefit
	you get from it.


	i think young adults from taiwan feel 'nothing' about taiwan
	was 'conquered by' or 'gave up to' japan in the early yrs.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang)
Subject: Re: (Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme)
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:43:58 GMT

In article <143510@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
>But for the Taiwanese that still speak Chinese, there is always that
>feeling of superiority inside them when talking about Taiwan and
>Mainland.  There are the boasting about the richness of Taiwan, and 
>occasionally some degrading comments about Mainland and people from
>Mainland.
>
This is really sad.  After four decades of social engineering by the
ROC-in-exile (RIE) on Taiwan.  The KMT government (equivalent to the
combination of S. Korea's military junta and the Hundai political
machine) has propagate through education and broadcast systems a myth
that KMT has achieved miracle in Taiwan and CCP has made China a
uncivilized, poor, and undeveloped place.  The government wants people
to focus their desire on luxury appliances and exotic food instead of
a pleasant landscape or a smooth traffic systems.  The government wants
people to enjoy a materialistic lifestyle built upon the success of
the private sector in order to cover up the failure of the public
sector.  Unfortunately, people have learned to judge other people by
the brand of the clothing and the amount of money one can spend under
the political and cultural suppression of the RIE.

Some students of economic development attribute Taiwan's economic
success to the political suppression.  They say that Taiwanese can
only release their energy in to the economic activities because
there were no political channels for them.  Then we can say that
the cultural channels must be blocked too.  Then with the planned
descruction of Taiwan's agriculture society, Taiwanese society has
been transformed into a society of money-based value system.  Sadly,
most Taiwanese now would judge a poor person as a lazy person and
especially those seem to be poor Chinese ruled by the communist.
The RIE told people that communist made Chinese lazy.  With the
success of the private sector in Taiwan, many Taiwanese like to
believe that poor people deserve to be poor because poor people
do not work hard.  Then a government can sustain its power by making
people feel that they are better off then other people rather than
really improving people's life.



>Maybe some Mainland Chinese feel so honored just to be friends of
>Taiwanese (a characteristic of inferiority) that they couldn't even
>sense the superior attitude of Taiwanese in general.  Or there are
>some Mainland Chinese feel so negatively about Mainland China
>themselves (I've met a few of these, and some went to the extreme
>of telling people they were from Taiwan) that they were actually
>glad to hear degrading comments about China.
>--
>Terry Cheung
>tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov

Is this a joke or are you being emotional?

William Huang
From: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: [Request] Noise on s.c.t.
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:52:59 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <1h25leINNehf@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> huangch@cps.msu.edu (Cheng Chang Huang) writes:
> .....
>2. For readers who are as sick and tired as I am, I propose we can try
>   to "FLOOD" the person(s) who keeps non-sense arguing over the
>   newsgroup by email.
>
> ......
>--Chengchang Huang

If anyone dare to do this kind of activity, their accounts are subjected
to revoking by the receiver to the offender's postmaster, or institution
authority.
-- 
/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
 * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
\* Ty Lee                                                                    */
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao)
Subject: Re: u333057@twncu865.ncu
Organization: AT&T Bell Lab
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:36:06 GMT

From article <15DEC92.14355319@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw>, by u333057@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw:
> I agree with your point very much.I'm a Taiwanese,too.The CCP want us Taiwanese to give Chinese help(Money,Jobs,Travel income,etc).But they urge all the countries all over the world"Don't make friend with Taiwan"!!Shit CCP!
> (Forgive my poor English..)       A Taiwanese student in Taiwan.

I would suggest you try not to say bad word to your possible enemy.

Anyway, how's Taiwanese students' attitude now? If you are over 20,
don't forget to vote for Taiwan's future. Also tell your friends to
vote.

Good luck to your study.


Heng-Hsin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao)
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Organization: AT&T Bell Lab
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:46:23 GMT

From article <yQV=zl@engin.umich.edu>, by chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang):
> In article <BzFy78.Cyq@ecf.toronto.edu> huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING) writes:
>>
>>     At least the Japanese contributed something to Taiwan while they were 
>>there, that was by making education popular.
> 
> 	Yeah!  Right!  Can you explain why people in my family had little
> or no eduacation at the Japanese colonial era?  
> 
> 	My family was robbed and pilliage by the Japanese and we did not
> stand up again until Taiwan was liberated.  Education!?
> 
> 	Japanese education!?  All that is, is slave training!
> 
>>
> 
> 
>>
>>     Not only that, we can also deal with Japanese better when trading because
>>we understand the Japanese and their ways.  That is one of Taiwan's major 
>>advantages over other nations when trading with Japan.
>>
>> 
> 
> 	Some of them still see Taiwan as a colony and see Taiwanese people
> as slaves.  Is there trading going on?  Isn't that another form of colonial
> control and enslavement!?
>  
>>
> 
> 

Calm down, pal, making education popular does not mean 100% educated.
The fact is it was Japan that introduced modern education system to
Taiwan. I don't think it has much to do with enslavement.

Nowadays, it's a free market. It is Taiwan that count on Japan. It is
us that are willing to be taken control of. We just cannot
blame Japan, at least solely. Who's to blame that after 40 years of
car industry protection that Taiwan still does not have it's own
engine?

KMT likes to emphasize how we flied for the past 40 years. But do we
know how they flied in Japan? It is time to think about how far we can
go and what we are going to do to get further.

Heng-Hsin

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 18:19:33 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Dec16.211706.17115@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>In article <Bz0s0s.Mq4@ecf.toronto.edu> huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING) writes:
>>>    You are the ones who are homeless. Been conquered and completely
>>>enslaved by the Japanese to the point of forgetting your real name,
>>
>>     Taiwan was surrendered to the Japanese in 1894.  We were not conquered.
>>
>
>Yes, even more disgusting, Chinese lost to Japanese and gave up Taiwan.
>I'm glad Taiwanese have a chance to experience another culture which is
>much better than the Chinese culture.
>

	Huh????????????????????????????????????????????

	We know that the Qing dynasty was corrupt and that is why Taiwan
was given away to Japan.  Although, some people did not regard the Qing
dynasty as Chinese, so is it correct to say that it was the Mongolians
who ruled Taiwan?  Weird...  Oh sorry not Mongolian, but Manchurian.
Of course we know the Manchurians have pretty much been assimulated.

	Second pt.  Japanese culture???  Or Japanese tyrannical rule???
Friend, I do not consider that period of time experiencing Japanese culture
like going to Japan for a trip, but Tyrannical colonial rule that pretty
much destroyed my family.  Of course, unless, you are one of those traitors
to the Taiwanese people who advocated assimulation of the Taiwanese people
to Japan.  

	Japanese culture?  I had always thought that Japanese culture 
origininated from Tang China.  So wasn't it another form of "Chinese
Supression?" if you speak of culture?  

	Tell you what, it is alot better for me as a native Taiwanese and
a immigrant from China over three hundred years ago to be Chinese than to
be a Japanese.  

	I thing we must be fair in using the word "Chinese", this means
a people who have anchored one of the worlds greatest cultures and not
the Communists that you seem to imply.  

- C. H. Yang

>Yi-Chieh


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