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From: cdcs@st-andrews.ac.uk (Colin D. C. Steele)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: County Championship 1992 July 22 (Wednesday)
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:40:21 GMT
Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland.

County Championship 1992 July 22 (Wednesday)
Day 2 of 3

At Derby
Derbyshire (4) 175-3 (JE Morris 82, TJG O'Gorman 68, CJ Adams 112*)
and 6-0
Middlesex (3) 216-2 dec (DL Haynes 70, MA Roseberry 100*)

At Cardiff
Yorkshire (6) 348-8 dec (MD Moxon 103, RJ Blakey 125*, SR Tendulkar 18)
Glamorgan (5) 200-6 (SP James 80)

At Cheltenham
Hampshire (4) 167 (TC Middleton 64, CA Walsh 6-33)
Gloucestershire (8) 339-8 (GD Hodgson 56, MW Alleyne 86, RC Russell 75
                           JR Ayling 4w)

At Canterbury
Kent (7) 275
and 129-6 (AR Caddick 4w)
Somerset (4) 133 (MJ McCague 5-23)

At Leicester
Durham (4) 145 (DJ Millns 5-41, AD Mullally 4-39)
Leicestershire (7) 256 (NE Briers 93)

At Northampton
Northamptonshire (7) 334-9 dec (AJ Lamb 209)
Warwickshire (8) 316-7 dec (TL Penney 100*)

At The Oval
Surrey (4) 333-4 dec (DJ Bicknell 60, PD Atkins 99, MA Lynch 97*)
and 60-0
Nottinghamshire (3) 201-2 dec (RT Robinson 73*, P Johnson 107*)

At Hove
Sussex (8) 342-5 dec (JW Hall 140*, DM Smith 105, JD Fitton 4w)
and 64-0
Lancashire (6) 349 (SP Titchard 54, NJ Speak 59, GD Lloyd 96)

At Kidderminster
Worcestershire (6) 448-6 dec (TM Moody 178, DB D'Oliveira 100)
and 15-0
Essex (5) 300-5 dec (ME Waugh 138*, N Hussain 78)


Matches continue Thursday




CDC
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Subject: Re: Double Internationals
From: John.Mcmullan@comp.vuw.ac.nz (John Michael McMullan)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 04:02:14 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.


RE: Brian McKechnie.

  He was the All Black goal kicker who kicked the penalty in the final seconds
to win the All Blacks a game against Scotland/Wales? Supposedly Andy Haden
had dived out of the line-out to make it look like he was pushed so that the
All Blacks would get the penalty (It was a very good kick).

  He was also the Batsman that Trevor Chappell bowled his infamous underarm
delivery to in that World Series final vs. Australia.

  That has to make him just about the most interesting double international
in the world. A couple of good things to tell the grandchildren about :-).
-- 
---John McMullan---------------------------jmcmulla@comp.vuw.ac.nz---
		             My Signature
-----------Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand -----------
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: raza@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed)
Subject: Another question for rule book owners!....
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:23:18 GMT



Is it necessary that a ining should be started with a new ball?
like if a captain of the fielding side wants to use a old ball
can he do that, can he use the same ball in the second ining which
 was used in first ining?

S.R.Raza.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: raza@surya.ccs.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed)
Subject: Re: Double Internationals
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:10:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.165835.27340@unislc.uucp> ramana@unislc.uucp (Ramana Ramachandran) writes:
>The other day I heard that kapil is playing for east bengal in soccer 
>which made me think how many cricketers have represented their country
>in another sport?
>
>	One named gopalan (?) represented India in both hockey and cricket.
>	Iam not sure of the name but the "gopal" part of it is definite!
>
>	Also I remember charlesworth of Australia (I suppose hockey fans
>	would know him better) playing for western australia and thus does not
>	qualify as a double international.
>
>Please add more...
>
>ramana ramachandran
>ramana@unislc.slc.unisys.com

Chalesworth was 12th man in test match b/w aus and pak at perth in
1979, he also took the catch of Majid Khan in pak's second ining while
fielding at gully(?), i think that was quite a good catch. Majid Khan
got pair in that particular test match.


I think that Viv was at one time heavy weight champ of Antigua
and Micheal Holding was athelete (1500 m ?) and infact got some
medal at olympics for jamica but iam not sure about this.
Can anyone confirm/correct this?

S.R.Raza
From: ucap22a@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Alisdair R Davey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Excitement and Controversy
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:39:54 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium, London

Hehe...I like some of Boycotts comments. On an exceedingling good shout from
Akram (can't remember the English Batsman), Tony Lewis said " Hmmm...possibly
just missing off stump", Geoff Boycott having already intimated that he thought
it was out replied "Yes...hitting middle ". Bias ? What Bias ?
Alisdair
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 21 Jul 1992 12:33:10 CDT
From: Razi Sayyed <U28443@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: E-P T3 Umpire Palmwer - FACTS
 <9JUL199208521715@watson.bms.com> <36472@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>

end




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From: andyc@is.morgan.com (Andrew Coad)
Subject: Question on No Ball
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:34:06 GMT

I recently called "No Ball" on the first delivery of the game because the bowler
had not declared his bowling style to me. In the back of our scorebook it clearly
stated that a bowler must decalare his bowling style to the umpire and must also
declare any changes to it. As an afterthought, I checked in Wisden for the same
ruling but could not find it anywhere - it merely said that a bowler must declare
any *change* to his bowling style; no reference was made to the initial style and whether that had to be declared. What do you all think? Was I correct?

Andrew Coad
Morgan Stanley
New York
(212) 703-2379

Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: sagrawal@cco.caltech.edu (Sanjay Kumar Agrawal)
Subject: 4th day of 4th test
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 13:38:18 GMT

England are 8 for no loss in their 2nd innings, needing 99 to square the
series. Earlier they dismissed Pakistan for 221 in their 2nd innings. Malik
again remained unbeaten on 84 (his batting average is really going to 
shoot up!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: English Umpiring, hello Rajeev
Supersedes: <92213.102528SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:22:57 EDT
From: Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>

In article <1992Jul30.183943.27160@walter.bellcore.com>, shamim@.bellcore.com
(Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4813,,21272) says:
>
>So who is better leg spinner than Mushtaq in the world today?  ......
>
he's still got a long way to go before he reaches AQ's level. however, i'd like
to see if mushtaq can have a good series vs india (at home or away), something
even AQ couldn't do (he averaged about 40 as a bowler vs india)

Stay cool,
The Thinker

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Subject: Re: Sunil does not read the headers anyway : -)
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 05:31:57 GMT



In article <1992Jul30.195302.3467@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> aam9n@hagar1.acc.Virginia.EDU (Ali Ahmad Minai) writes:



[interesting point about the philosophy or art, of all things, and a very
convoluted digression (Murali beware!) from the subject of racism
-- all munched]





Ali, first you subvert the accepted usage of "racism" (in spite of our
fragile consensus that there *is* no accepted usage)....

>This is not the place for such an argument, and I doubt if either of us
>wants to get into it anyway (for me, I've had it too often with others on
>the net).

... and then you subvert that entire argument itself. :-)

>Well, there goes my strategy! Now you've told everyone. Secrecy, dear
>chap, is of the essence --- or was, in this case. Now it's back to the
>chalkboard. But seriously, if you think you are doing any more by
>claiming "racism" than I am by seeing it as arrogance, I think you are
>mistaken.

The exact opposite may be true in this case.  You claim to be doing more
by relegating me to the miserly slogan while reserving the vague, yet
secret and strategic, *thwart* for yourself.  Besides, I am convinced
that arrogance, especially the colonial variety, is a necessary and
sufficient condition for racism, and the two are by no means mutually
exclusive -- which, BTW, is what got us into this discussion in the first
place.

>           Also, I think there is a difference of perspective. I am
>simply analyzing the situation (albeit simplistically). You think you
>are actually trying to make a difference. Perhaps you are.

We do have a difference in perspective, but perhaps not the one you point out.
I too am analyzing the situation.  While neither of us pursues change
it does ensue from our actions and words, whether we like it or not.

>                                                          If so, may
>your pinkie have the strength of a thousand arms, and may you run into
>Colin Cowdrey in a dark alley. Be kind.

Oh, I will.  But if you really want to see some tricks, you should wish
me a seat on the BCCP. :-) :-)

Peace,

j n a
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: 4th Test Match - Scorecard
From: cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty)
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:43:05 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

In article <1992Jul27.121425.21583@cs.su.oz.au>, tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones) writes:

Concerning Neil Mallendar

> 
> 	8/112 on debut. Not a bad start, but does he lift England's attack
> 	above the depths that it has apparently reached? 'pop-gun'.
> 	Plenty of cricketers have good starts, does this man seem to
> 	have 'what it takes'.  I remember Tony Dodemaide for Aust, who 
> 	started magnificantly against the likes of NZ and Sri Lanka, but
> 	who faded rather dramatically when called on further.

Mallendar has been coming to New Zealand during the English off-season for
approx 10 years now and all the "experts" here have been surprised it has taken
the English this long to recognise the man's talents. Admittedly NZ provincial
sides do not provide the stiffest opposition in the world but in his time here
Mallendar has shown himself to be a consistitent line and length bowler who is
capable of swinging the ball away. Considering some of the players England have
used over the years it's amazing he hasn't been used before.

Alan
From: sguha@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Saumyen Guha)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: English Umpiring, hello Rajeev
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:36:33 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Jul31.151634.23594@walter.bellcore.com> shamim@.bellcore.com writes:
>In article 102528SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu,  Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>In article <1992Jul30.183943.27160@walter.bellcore.com>, shamim@.bellcore.com
>>(Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4813,,21272) says:
>>>
>>>So who is better leg spinner than Mushtaq in the world today?  ......
>>>
>>he's still got a long way to go before he reaches AQ's level. however, i'd like
>>to see if mushtaq have a good series vs india (at home or away), something even
>>AQ couldn't do (he averaged about 40 as a bowler vs india)
>>
>>Stay cool,
>>The Thinker
>
>
>ps
>Mushtaq may not have a very good series against India  (quite possibly he 
>will not). India has superb players of spin and I can not recall any other world 
>class spinner being successful against them in the last two decades. 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>	--SAN
>

 One name comes into the mind: Derek Underwood.
Can somebody post his records against India and Pakistan?

later,
-Saumyen
From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: T4 D3 Hour after lunch.
Date: 25 Jul 1992 08:47:34 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


England 320 all out!

Last man out was Munton c. Inzamam Ul-Haq b. Waqar.
Gower stayed not out in the teens.

I wish I couuld hear more.  The beeb seems to be talking
about Waqar's yorker, so I asume that was the main culprit.
I also have no idea how the pitch is playing.  The weather
is nice and sunny, and matters are made worse by my inability
to distiguish between the atmoshpheric static and the sound
of Botham's scalp sizzling like bacon in the hot sun.


j n a
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: aamir@cs.sfu.ca (Aamir Husain)
Subject: Pak vs Eng T4
Keywords: after tea D4
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 15:46:11 GMT


Eng are 63/3

gooch = 37 c Mujtaba b Mushtaq

balliis 30 overs old. waqar should be on any minute now
akram and mushtaq bowling, tense!

Aamir

Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Re: Pakistani Players Use Filthy Language!?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 21:31:53 GMT

In article <92205.035855U28765@uicvm.uic.edu> <U28765@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Salam to Everyone:
>
>I have been "led" to the impression that Pakistani players use filthy
>Punjabi words on the field and do so in large, liberal quantities. I
>am curious as to how true that is ........

to pakistain's these words are just to add emphasis, like bhen ... what a 
great shot.

sahibzada rafay khan[]

also how come no one talks about gavaskar's hundred against New Zealand,
which would have been the fastest if he had not slowed down near the hundred 
mark.

I think Gavaskar is a great player ...... this is for you madan.
n


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From: tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones)
Subject: Re: England 2nd Innings
Reply-To: tom@cs.su.oz.au
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:02:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.182953.23617@walter.bellcore.com>, shamim@.bellcore.com (Shamim Naqvi,MRE-2E342,829-4813,,21272) writes:

|> Two years ago when Gooch was LBW to Terry Alderman in almost every innings, 
|> I heard several people making the preposterous claim that English umpires were so
|> fair that sometimes visiting teams got the advantage over England. 

	I do not see why the claim was so 'preposterous'.  There is no 
	doubt that the fairness of the Umpires was an important factor
	in rewarding the Australian bowler.

|> It is instructive to compare the number of times Gooch has been LBW to Alderman and 
|> to Waqar,  who bowls at least as straight, if not straighter, than Alderman. 
|> (For example, look at Waqar's stats for number of batsmen bowled or LBW.) 
|> 

	I do not see your point here, from my limited sighting of
	scoreboards during this series Waqar seems to have taken 
	plenty of wickets LBW.  Anyhow, with Alderman it was not
	just a question of bowling straight.  He bowled without
	too much pace, from right next to the (bowling end) stumps,
	and almost everything he bowled was directed at the stumps.
	I have not seen very much of Waqar, but Alderman is the
	'straightest' bowler I have seen, and obviously for the
	English Umpires this removed what doubt there may be in the
	case of other bowlers.  The subtle and not-so-subtle implications
	that the English Umpires have been cheating to favour the
	home side is a disappointing response from the Net, and 
	people should be careful not to let (a) there emotions,
	and (b) the reactions of the players affect their judgement.
	It seems almost that people are encouraging each other
	in their frustration, so what was something small to 
	begin with grows into cheating - as all the references
	to 'neutral umpires' shows.  I am not against neutral umpires
	- I think it is unfortunate, but necessary simply to
	remove such accusations.  However this does not give
	anybody the right to start talking about netural umpires
	on the Net, implying that there has been dishonesty.

	tom
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:54:47 EDT
From: Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Pakistani Players Use Filthy Language!?
 <1992Jul23.213153.2012@leland.Stanford.EDU>

In article <1992Jul23.213153.2012@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) says:
>
>also how come no one talks about gavaskar's hundred against New Zealand,
>which would have been the fastest if he had not slowed down near the hundred
>mark.
>
no. he was pretty quick till 95 (71 balls) but then he slowed down and got his
100 off 85 balls. however, the record (62 balls) by azharuddin was never
seriously threatened.

Stay cool,
The Thinker

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From: x90mumtaz@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: R.S.C.Scores be used more frequently
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:26:56 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

hi,
   I have a suggestion to make.

Rec.sport.Cricket.scores news group was created for the sole purpose of
writing scores. It is my suggestion that news group be used more frequently
by posting all county matches score cards in that news group. 

If R.S.C.Scores is not supposed to be used then it's better to finish that
news group.

Atif Mumtaz
From: kashif@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mohammad K. Qayyum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: HISTORY of LBW Rule Required
Date: 31 Jul 1992 09:40:09 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: plague-ether.berkeley.edu
Keywords: History, Leg Before Wicket



In his article, Rackesh Desai says:

"... I wonder if the simulation technology... can be used to judge the   
trajectory of the ball..."

Actually, this is very much possible. The process may seem a little            
complicated, but actually it will not affect the game. 
What we require is a way to accurately  "photograph" the ball in 
three-dimensions. This can be done by having at least three high-quality
TV cameras placed around the ground. Since the cameras would often be
obstructed by players, I would suggest having five cameras.
Using Artificial Intelligence Pattern-Recognition technology, the images
from the five cameras would be fed into a computer, which would apply
some 3-Dimensional geometry and calculate the position of the ball at each
and every moment from when it left the bowler to when it hit the pad / bat. 
Thus it is a simple job to extrapolate the trajectory, and determine to 
within a very high degree of certainty whether or not the ball would have
hit the stumps. Also, we can determine the results of close catch and 
bat&pad decisions. 

The description above may seem very outrageous, but just consider:
There are usually 4 TV cameras focussed on the batsman anyway. These 
same cameras could be used to get the picture required. 
To perform the picture digitization and pattern recognition, we would 
need a single AMIGA computer equipped with a VideoToaster. The video signals
from the cameras would be fed sequentially into this to do the pattern recog. 
After this, it is a rather simple program that will calculate
whether the batsman would have been "OUT" or otherwise. 
The entire cost of the hardware required  would be under $10,000. The software
will be a challenge to program, but once this is done the same program
could be used everywhere in the world. 

So, as you see, the above setup is entirely feasible. Of course I wrote this
all off the top of my head, but I'm sure if we wanted to we could come up
with a reasonable solution to the problem of the LBW.

Salaam, 

Kashif Q.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: aamir@cs.sfu.ca (Aamir Husain)
Subject: Pak vs Eng T4
Keywords: lunch D3
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 12:10:41 GMT

Pakistan are clawing back into the match,
England 298/4

the batsmen just out were
stewart-8
gooch - 135 bowled Mushtaq by a googly last over before lunch
earlier smith was out for 42 c mianded b aquib

more to follow after lunch
Aamir
From: tom@cs.su.oz.au (Thomas James Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Neutral Umpires ---> Pick your own !
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:41:46 GMT
Reply-To: tom@cs.su.oz.au
Organization: Basser Department of Computer Science

In article <1992Jul28.152522.13876@julian.uwo.ca>, raza@surya.ccs.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed) writes:
|> In article <9207280902.AA21367@vassal.cm.cf.ac.uk> Carl.M.Jones@cm.cf.ac.uk (Carl Jones) writes:
|> >There has been a call for neutral umpires on the net recently.  In my
|> >opinion, if this becomes a requirement, the following scenario is possible.
|> >
|> >	Pakistan playing (say) Australia.  Roy Palmer (neutral) umpiring.
|> >	Aqib Javed bowls a sequence of short balls at Australian no.11, and
|> >	is warned.
|> >
|> >	"You haven't forgotten Old Trafford" might come the retort from Aqib
|> >	, followed by, "we want the neutral umpires who we like !" from
|> >	Intakab.
|> >
|> >I am not Pakistan bashing, you may substitute any teams you like, and 
|> >change the names used, but the principle will still be the same. 
|> >
|> 
|> In world cup there were some bad/wrong decision by the umpires at different
|> times and different matches, but there was no hue or cry raised by the
|> teams/players......
|> Another example in 1987 world cup semi final two bad decisions by umpire
|> non other then shepard and dickybird cost pakistan the match against Australia
|> (not to take credit from Australia), but no untoward incident took place in
|> that matche also...
|> 

	what do you mean 'not to take credit from Australia'?
	That is exactly what that sort of rubbish is trying to do.
	If the umpiring did 'cost pakistan the match', then of
	course you are taking credit from Australia.  
	
	tom

|> 
|> >So think of the consequences before calling for change!
|> 
|> So think before you write :-)
|> 
|> >
|> >Carl Jones
|> >
|> 
|> S.R.Raza.
|> >PS If England appointed Ray Holder and Kevin Lyons for a test, 
|> >would there be any grounds for accusations of  white English racism ?
|> 
|>
From: Alastair.T.Clarke@cm.cf.ac.uk (Alastair Clarke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Pakistan v England 4th Test Score at 5.20
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:23:12 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff

I'm about to go home.  Nothing has yet come up on r.s.c so I thought I'd
better post the score.

Pakistan won the toss and elected to bat.  They are 102 for 5 wickets on a 
rain interrupted days play, so play will go on to 7.00 pm.

Sorry I havn't been around all day so I can't tell you who has scored what.
Pakistan have the same team as in the third test, and England have dropped
Childs and someone else from the thirteen named.

104 for 5. Wasim 10 not out, Salim at the other end.

Alastair