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From: schabert@waldron.Stanford.EDU (Vernon Schabert)
Subject: Re: Bicycle Weight Reduction (was Another Pedal Question)
Organization: Psychology Dept, Stanford Univ.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 03:40:38 GMT

Rolf says:

>However, I still feel that weight reduction on ***ROTATING*** parts can have
>significant effect on performance and endurance in long events.  

Here here!  Weight (actually mass) on rotating parts increases that
part's moment of inertia, which in turn increases the force required to
rotate the object.  However, the effect is much more pronounced on parts
where the force is applied close to the axle (e.g., the rear wheel) than
where the force is applied near the full radius of rotation (e.g.,
pedals).  The case of the front wheel is mixed; although the
_rotational_ force applied to the front wheel is at the radius (friction
with the ground--the force applied to the front hub does not directly
add to the rotational force), the larger radius compared to the
crankarms still gives the front wheel a large moment of inertia, so
lighter weight still has a significant effect.

Vernon Schabert
schabert@psych.stanford.edu



From: chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:49:30 GMT
Subject: Trek 5200 Review
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon


With about 150 miles on it now I'm ready to give some comments about my new
Trek 5200.

Background:  I'm a triathlete  primarily but I train almost  entirely  with
	     bike racers.  I enter and win most local citizen's bike races.
	     In our local TT series (10K) I can average 26 mph.  In the 40K
	     cycling leg of a triathlon I can average a tad over 23 mph.

	     I also own a 3 year old Trek 2300 (3 main tubes carbon, lugs
	     & fork aluminum).

Bike As Built:

  Frame: Trek 5200/5500
  Group: Shimano Ultegra 600 7-speed (it came with 8-speed STI)
  Saddle: Selle Italia Turbomatic (it came with a Selle Italia Flite)
  Wheels: Matrix ISO-C II *clincher*
  Bars:   Profile AirWave with SwiftShifts
  Stem:   TTT 84  140mm  (It came with 100mm)
  Cranks: 172.5 mm (it came with 170mm)
  Pedals: Look Carbon Pro


Review:

   The  bike is  light,  very  light.  As I built  it up it  weighs  21 lbs
   (that's  *without*  the STI).  My 2300  weighs in at 24 lbs.  These  are
   *real* weights on my own triple-beam scale.

   The bike is stiff,  very stiff.  One way Trek  accomplished  this was to
   have the lugs  extend far up into the other  tubes.  They also  claim to
   have done extensive  computer aided design.  The lugs on each size frame
   are  specific  to that frame  size!  The tubes are  oversize  but not as
   large as a  Cannondale.  Now, I ride a small frame (52 cm) so  stiffness
   is not that much of an issue but the difference  while climbing  between
   the 5200 and my 2300 is very  noticable.  During fast decsents (I've hit
   45 mph so far) the thing feels solid as a rock.

   The bike does transmit more road shock than my 2300.

   I built the bike myself because I set it up for TT.  I changed the seat,
   seat post,  handlebars,  cranks, and  shifters.  During all the work the
   only  "stupid"  thing I found were these  little  "flanges" on the front
   fork to keep the wheel from  coming  off if you gape and leave the quick
   release un-done.  The bike shop said this is a legal Cover-Your-Ass.

   I really  love the  color.  Since the 5200  only  comes in one color I'm
   sure glad they picked "Lunar Blue" rather than "Butt ugly neon".


The greatest thing about this bike is the price -- $1999.  The Kestrel EMS
(which today is the only real competition) is about $800 more.

Also,  since STI don't  make much sense  when you have  shifters  up on the
aerobars I sold the STI levers for $150 and  replaced  them for about  $50.
Cuts the price of the bike another $100!


-- LSC
From: ang@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (wayne.p.langan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: FAQ   NOT!
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:43:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsi.1992Apr7.174318.19216
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr7.170614.18129@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, ang@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (wayne.p.langan) writes:
> 
> 
> When is it going to get warmer??? BTW thanks to all who responded to 
> nutrition, bike rack, and dick wheel questions.
> -- 

Sorry that was disk not dick wheels
-- 
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                                   /_____\
From: tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (todd.r.jensen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: FAQ   NOT!
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:44:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr7.170614.18129@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> ang@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (wayne.p.langan) writes:
>
>Since it has been so dead the last few days I thought I would create a list
>of joke FAQ items anyone care to add to it??
>
>
>1.) Which shaving cream/razor combo is best for pre race shave?

	For people who end up cutting themselves with a razor,
	I would suggest using Nair.  You could lather it on
	right before the swim and then come out of the water with
	baby smooth skin.
	
>2.) Who holds the record for eating the most PowerBars in 1 sitting?

	I don't know - but I did eat with someone who has a world
	record for number of trips to the sundae bar at Ponderosa.

>3.) Best dog repellent for bike rides.

	Ride with slower riders - when the dogs start chasing you,
	sprint away from your slower partners and let them deal
	with the mutts.

>4.) Kickstands. Do they save time in the transition?

	Yes, but you have to also account for the time you lose
	due to the kickstand causing more wind resistance on the
	bike leg.  Personally, I only use a kickstand for the
	shorter sprint courses.  I hear Profile is coming out with
	an aero titanium kickstand - it might be worth looking into
	to.  Mike Pigg is supposedly going to be using on the Bud Light
	circuit.

>5.) Best way to remove the black magic marker numbers.

	Sandpaper.

>6.) Which size water pail works best in the transition area.

	The bigger the better.  I like a size where I can just hop in
	and get my whole body immersed.  Sometimes I bring a portable
	generator and whirlpool machine so I can loosen up between the
	bike and run legs.

>7.) How to hog the most room in the transition area.

	See number 6.  Also, put up a tent, 4-person size or larger.
	I find army surplus stores are great andrelatively cheap, if
	you don't mind the wide range of colors - olive green,
	olive green, or olive green.

>When is it going to get warmer??? BTW thanks to all who responded to 
>nutrition, bike rack, and dick wheel questions.

	Anyday now.  Here in Chicago it's been in the high 50's and 
	low 60's for about 3 days now.  They're predicting more of the
	same.  Should be summer any(day|week|month) now.

>-- 
>Wayne Langan                          - 
>AT&T Bell Laboratories               / \
>wpl@hos1cad.att.com          TIMES  / 3 \  RACING
>                                   /_____\

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From: mdk@hare.udev.cdc.com (Mike Kail x2441)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Carbs in foods????
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:30:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: shamash.41037
Reply-To: mdk@hare.udev.cdc.com (Mike Kail x2441)
Organization: Control Data Corporation, Arden Hills, MN

In article <1992Apr14.221005.980@desire.wright.edu>, estelter@desire.wright.edu writes:
|> >>
|> >>  What foods have the most carbohydrates in them???
|> >>
Bagels, Bananas, Pasta, Potatoes, Raisins, Rice, Oatmeal, etc...

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From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Bicycle Weight Reduction (was Another Pedal Question)
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:56:58 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr15.155815.1@zodiac.rutgers.edu> arands@zodiac.rutgers.edu writes:
>I believe weight reduction to help in two areas - acceleration and hill
>climbing.  

Yes, but triathlon bike courses tend to be relatively flat.  Also,
there are few corners, so there is not much acceleration involved.

>It will not help in reducing air drag nor make me *stronger*.  It
>will reduce road friction slightly though, although this would be minimal.  

Since rolling resistance is only around 2% of total drag at speed,
a one-pound weight reduction amounts to less than a 0.01% increase
in speed (less, because of the cubic relationship between effort and
speed).  This is less than one-third second for an hour time-trial.

>However, I still feel that weight reduction on ***ROTATING*** parts can have
>significant effect on performance and endurance in long events.  

Yes, but only if you are doing a lot of accelerating, which is not common
in flat time trials.

>Last year, I did an 8 mile time trial at an all out burst-my-heart effort.  I
>did the course in about 23 minutes.  I repeated the course two more times over
>the next month, with additional training and eeked the time down to 22:30.  I
>purchased light weight wheels (550-600 grams TOTAL mass each vs 800-900 each 
>on the original setup).  Both sets of wheels were aero section, so air drag
>should be approximately the same.  I put the light wheels on and did the same
>course in about 20:30.  And I later repeated it close to 20 minutes.

Interesting, but I doubt that your 10% speed improvement came from light
wheels.  Even if the course was straight uphill, it would take a 17 pound
weight savings to achieve this (assuming you plus your bike weight 170
pounds).

>Similarly, since a pedal is rotating on the crank arm and about its own axis, 
>and since one has to constantly move that weight to drive the bicycle, my 
>reasoning is that weight reductions in these rotating parts would be helpful. 

Eh?  Remove your chain and spin your cranks.  Where is the invisible
force which keeps them spinning?  I think you have discovered the
perpetual motion machine!  Again, as long as you are riding at a
constant rate (and, in the case of your pedals, at a constant cadence),
weight has no effect whatsoever, except for hills.

>Air drag is the enemy of the cyclist, weight a distant second.  I have
>addressed the first issue by optimizing my position on the bike.  I have
>developed a good cycling training program.  Now I am addressing the third issue
>- weight.  

Well, you're in good company.  When Eddy Merckx set the world hour record,
he went to great lengths to get his bicycle down to about 14 pounds--even
though he was riding on an absolutely flat and level track, at a constant
speed!

John_Ampe@att.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Advice on aero bars!!!
From: estelter@desire.wright.edu
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:09:02 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

>>
>>  I am looking to buy aero bars.  I am planning to compete in a few
>>  triathlons this summer and need some aero bars, any suggestions???
>>
>>
From: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Bicycle Weight Reduction (was Another Pedal Question)
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:22:58 GMT
Reply-To: mackinto@oasys.dt.navy.mil (David Mackintosh)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.sport.triathlon, schabert@waldron.Stanford.EDU (Vernon Schabert) writes:

>       However, the effect is much more pronounced on parts
>where the force is applied close to the axle (e.g., the rear wheel) than
>where the force is applied near the full radius of rotation (e.g.,
>pedals).  The case of the front wheel is mixed; although the
>_rotational_ force applied to the front wheel is at the radius (friction
>with the ground--the force applied to the front hub does not directly
>add to the rotational force), the larger radius compared to the
>crankarms still gives the front wheel a large moment of inertia, so
>lighter weight still has a significant effect.

So a light rear wheel is more important than a light front because the
rear wheel is driven by the hub and the front by the road?  Hah!  The
energy required to increase (or decrease) rotational speed is the same
no matter where it is applied.

When accelerating, there is obviously much more rotational inertia to
be overcome in the tires and rims than shoes and pedals due to the
larger radius and higher angular velocity.


David Mackintosh
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: mvm@caesun6.harris-atd.com (Matt Mahoney)
Subject: Re: Help w/ Side Cramps???
Reply-To: mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney)
Organization: CAE Design Center, Harris Corp., Melbourne, Fl.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:28:36 GMT

In article <23435.29e0f659@amherst.edu> mjwilson@amherst.edu writes:

>I frequently get some TERRIBLE side-aches/side-cramps during the run leg of
>races. 

It is a cramp in the diaphram, which like any other muscle, can cramp when
worked too hard.  Stretching the muscle (in this case, raising your arms)
relieves the cramp.

The solution is to strengthen the muscle, for instance by running intervals,
or some other exercise that requires you to breathe hard.  This generally
takes a long time.  I used to get stitches during the first couple of
years that I ran, although I rarely get them now.

Dehydration or an electrolyte imbalance can also make you more susceptable
to cramps.

--------------------------------        _\/_
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: spesau@acs.ucalgary.ca (Shane P Esau)
Subject: Re: Advice on aero bars!!!
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:17:42 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada

In article <1992Apr14.220902.979@desire.wright.edu> estelter@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>>
>>>  I am looking to buy aero bars.  I am planning to compete in a few
>>>  triathlons this summer and need some aero bars, any suggestions???
>>>
>>>
I have found the new profile aero II to be great - you have to
watch thou, Profile has had to replace the clips that came with
them to adjust elbow positioning because they were breaking - not
a pretty sight.  The other aero bars which I have heard are good
are the Scott clip ons.  The profile aero II is one of the
lightest aero bars on the market, allows for elbow adjustment,
and you can add the swift shifter later if you want. Well, that's
my $0.02 worth.

Shane Esau
U of Calgary Tri Club


Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: GE.PMR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tricia Richter)
Subject: Yes, help w/side cramps, PLEASE!
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:35:01 GMT
From: gilson@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Mike Gilson ............... x 3135)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: AAAAAAAIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!#$@^&...CRASH!
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:34:03 EST

In article <1992Apr11.143936.3747@iscsvax.uni.edu>, luebke5317@iscsvax.uni.edu (Phil Luebke) writes:
> I'm not sure who it was, but someone said "There are two kinds of triathletes. 
> Those that have crashed on a bike and those that will" (or something to that
> effect).  I'm not the first kind, and I hoping there's a third kind, "those
> that never will," but I doubt it.  In the few races I've participated in, I did
> the entire race in my swimswuit.  Needless to say, I feel I would be rather
> vulnerable in a bike wreck.  For those of you that have experienced this, do
> you think the increased transition time (and possible loss of aerodynamics) are
> worth wearing more clothes?  Or is it one of those inevitable things where
> you're going to get scraped up anyway, so what's a few more?
> 
	I always wear a singlet for added protection from the sun.  But
	my experience (in all two crashes that I've been in) with road
	rash is: more clothing == less (severe) road rash on the covered
	parts.  Which says: your arms and legs are toast and you're 
	protecting your torso, which doesn't take much of the abuse
	anyway...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: ang@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (wayne.p.langan)
Subject: Re: FAQ NOT
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:17:33 GMT

In article <9204081234.AA11408@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu>, shon@APLCOMM.JHUAPL.EDU (Shampain Shon F2A x8109) writes:
> 
> Shon Shampain
> shon@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
> 
> P.S.  The season opener is only 3 weeks, 3 days, 22 hours, 31 minutes away....


When you say season opener are you reffering to the St. Anthony's Tampa bay
race???? Several members of our Tri-Club are going to that race. 

GOOD LUCK to everyone this season, and stay healthy!!!!! Hope to see a few
of you as our club makes the rounds this year.



-- 
Wayne Langan                          - 
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                                   /_____\
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Subject: Re: FAQ NOT!
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:07:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Apr7.170614.18129@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> ang@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (wayne.p.langan) writes:

>Since it has been so dead the last few days I thought I would create a list
>of joke FAQ items anyone care to add to it??

>1-5.) ................................................

>6.) Which size water pail works best in the transition area.

>7.) How to hog the most room in the transition area.


>When is it going to get warmer??? BTW thanks to all who responded to 
>nutrition, bike rack, and dick wheel questions.
                           ^^^^
 8.) What is a triathlete's "dick" wheel? I haven't seen it advertised in any
    of the "traditional" cycling catalogs.

As for the weather, it's going to get warmer starting now!


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From: luebke5317@iscsvax.uni.edu (Phil Luebke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: AAAAAAAIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!#$@^&...CRASH!
Date: 11 Apr 92 14:39:36 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I'm not sure who it was, but someone said "There are two kinds of triathletes. 
Those that have crashed on a bike and those that will" (or something to that
effect).  I'm not the first kind, and I hoping there's a third kind, "those
that never will," but I doubt it.  In the few races I've participated in, I did
the entire race in my swimswuit.  Needless to say, I feel I would be rather
vulnerable in a bike wreck.  For those of you that have experienced this, do
you think the increased transition time (and possible loss of aerodynamics) are
worth wearing more clothes?  Or is it one of those inevitable things where
you're going to get scraped up anyway, so what's a few more?

I know this is not a subject 3athletes like to talk about, but I'm just
wondering.

-Phil
-- 
                                "There's a girl in a dress in a sinful mess
        Phil Luebke              With a face that's made for kissin'
 luebke5317@iscsvax.uni.edu      What kind of god gives you a rod
                                 And says you can't go fishin'?"
                                                     -- Something Happens
From: vergonis@husc9.harvard.edu (Chris Vergonis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Ultimate Warrior
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:31:30 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr16.211339.5136@ac.dal.ca> jsteeves@ac.dal.ca writes:
>
>The Warrior went on to nothing spectacular for awhile (about August).
>He pinned Honkey in a match for the IC title, which was voided by
>Tunney. At the first Summerslam, Beefcake was out of his IC shot due to
>an injury at the hands of Ron Bass. Honkey challenged anyone who wanted
>to have a shot to come out. The Warrior came out and finished him in 31
>seconds. I think you probably know the rest.
>
>     /\                           Jason Steeves (jsteeves@ac.dal.ca)    \/

The match "voided by Jack Tunney" took place at a television taping
and was done so that the WWF could film television interview of 
Warrior with the belt and Honkytonk Man without it that would air
on tv in the weeks following SummerSlam.

-- Chris
From: duggan@cc.gatech.edu (Rick Duggan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Wrestling TidBits   -   04/16
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:12:49 GMT
Organization: College of Computing

In article <1992Apr16.122549.2943@watdragon.waterloo.edu> hekunze@jeeves.waterloo.edu (Herb Kunze) writes:
> [good tidbits as always deleted]
> - Undetailed results from the Omni's WCW card on Saturday had:
>     - Sting over Van Vader (believe it or not, these guys are
>       supposed to be having some pretty good matches)
>     - Brian Pillman drew with Johnny B. Badd
>     - Steve Austin retained his TV title against Barry Windham
>     - Ricky Steamboat beat Rick Rude in a non-title match
>     - Terry Taylor & Greg Valentine beat Marcus Bagwell & Tom Zenk
> [more good tidbits deleted]

Wow, this is really strange.  This looks like the planned card, but
only one of these matches occurred (Sunday, not Saturday) at the Omni.
I've already posted detailed results, but here's a quick summary.

Ok, the Sting-Vader match happened, but it wasn't that good.

Pillman was a no-show as was Badd.  Austin didn't wrestle Windham
for the title, etc.

The card was Zenk over Valentine, Koloff over DDP, MAB over Morton, 
Simmons over Cactus Jack, JYD/Windham over Zbysko/Austin in a 
bunkhouse match, Rude over Steamboat (DQ), Steiners over
Anderson/Eaton (DQ), and Sting over Vader (DQ).

Herb, if you don't mind, where are these results from?  A
wildly inaccurate sheet (I mean, it's not speculation about
a future event, so I would think that results from shows
would be accurate)...

-rick



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