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From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:41:52 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Nov13.000852.7740@ncar.ucar.edu>, gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu
(Gary Strand) writes:
|>   Actually, I was let go from a job (that I needed to pay for college)
|>   because
|>   I was a *single* white het male. The boss gave my job to another white het
|>   male who happened to have kids. I guess the protections for marital status
|>   didn't protect me, did they?

Did you try to exercise those protections?

If your claim is true, the laws protecting you don't prevent your employer from
firing you; they do, however, provide access to remedy.  Did you retain counsel?
Or file a claim with a state or federal agency?
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                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jbibb@eng.auburn.edu (John S. Bibb)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Conch Fritters
Reply-To: jbibb@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:39:35 GMT

In article 74554@apple.apple.COM, richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
> Mara Chibnik writes:
> 
> >So did I.  It made a nice change from Chinese food, too.  (But
> 
> Except the conch fritters.  They were like deep fried bits of radial
> tire.  Maybe we should have brought our own Velveeta.
> 


If you pound your conch properly (OUCH!) it is quite tasty and delicate.
Native Bahamians try to flatten conch to the point that you can read a newspaper
through it!

I have never had conch with Velveeta, but with a little swiss it was WONDERFUL =)



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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Marlene & Madonna (Was Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:46:48 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <manz.721895790@ee.ualberta.ca>, manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett
{Druid Queen} Manz) wrote:
 
> 	"I act vulgar.  She *is* vulgar."

Dolphie shared this deep insight with us once already.  Do we really
want to go into this again?  I'm more than willing to scoff some more 
at Marlene Dietrich as present-day icon.  Are you ready, Dolphie?

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi,alt.homosexual
From: cddukes@c00514-118rd.eos.ncsu.edu (&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&PakRat's Anonymous)
Subject: Re: Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual Relatives?
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:57:33 GMT

In article <By6L28.LwH@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
> (U60145@uicvm.uic.edu) wrote:
>Seems like an interesting question.  If distribution of gay, lesbian,
>and bi people is random, you'd _expect_ to find someone in your own
>family, besides yourself, if you know 20 relatives or so. 
>
>I have a great-aunt who's lesbian, I think, but I haven't asked her
>directly.

It also depends on where those relatives are.  I mean I have one 1st cousin
that is supposedly a lesbian, and two second or third cousins that are
are supposedly gay.  But I don't ask for verification because the second
or third cousins are in rural south carolina...  Home of the redneck and
idget.  You just don't ask.  And it just isn't the sort of thing mentioned
when I am with those parts of the family.  I mean I generally see those
members of the family with a grandmother of mine that goes into fits at
the mention that one of my great great grandfathers was a bastard.

The other thing is that it isn't really my business.  I would be overjoyed
if I could quit hearing news like "Your cousin... is preggers, or your
cousin got so and so preggers..."

Chris "the PakRat" Dukes______________________________cddukes@eos.ncsu.edu
"There just aren't enough postage stamps of upstanding Crustaceon-Americans."
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Ins and Outs
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:55:53 GMT

> clc@nevada.edu (Chris L. Cobb) writes:
>> AH.PBL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark) writes:

>>  The Washington Post listed the following in anticipation of the new
>>  administration.
>>               INs                       OUTs
>>*      George Stephanopoulos           Marlin Fitzwater
>>
>>* George Stephanopoulos is REALLY CUTE!
>
>More like OH-MY-F*CK*NG-GOD CUTE!!!...

(To each his own :-)).  He's also 31-years-old and single.
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From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton)
Subject: Re: Clinton outing?????
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:32:48 GMT

In <1992Nov15.180644.17955@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> rjones@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rex A. Jones (I'm single and gay...want a date?)) writes:

>larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton) writes:
>>   I certainly missed something somewhere!  Gaynet Digest volumn - well
>>   let's just say the 4th one today -- had the briefest little ole post
>>   titled "Clinton outing" and just said "what's the point of doing this"
>>   Would someone inform poor lill old me what the hell is going on?

>I only hope that it has something to do with George Stephanopolous sigh...
>Cute, smart, sexy, and in power.... ;)  just what I've always dreamed of in a
>man!  

   YES! except for the power part.  Given the opportunity, I'd love to show
   him what power really is.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart & "Space Age"
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:31:42 GMT

> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>> Where is Patrick Stewart from, 
>
>Somewhere in the UK.
>
>> and whence his manner of speaking? 

I expect that it comes from a particular corner of the UK
known as RADA (the Royal Academy of the Dramatic Arts).
You'll notice that the Divine Diana Rigg, among others, is
vocally handicapped in the same way.  No Real Person(tm)
speaks that way, and only a RADA graduate can hope to get
away with it.  The Divine Jessye Norman, alas, is living
proof of that.
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
	<Nov.12.11.08.00.1992.3178@math.rutgers.edu>
	<1992Nov12.205747.28234@ads.com> <1992Nov13.151002.9454@spdcc.com>
	<69511@cup.portal.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:21:06 GMT
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <69511@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:

   Well, not quite. He's an ugly white boy who thinks he's black and
   does rap music to prove it.....  *UGH*.

I haven't heard much of his music, but I thought the song about the
Boston guy who murdered his wife (mixed with some other true stories)
was damn good.  Video too.

--

  - Ronald Hayden

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Newsgroups: soc.motss,co.politics
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Equal Rights Laws, a misunderstanding
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:01:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.202526.24173@Princeton.EDU> elliott@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jr. Frank W. Elliott) writes:
>>As far as the Supreme Court's thinking goes, they have specifically
>>ruled in one case, that homosexuals were _not_ a protected minority,
>>and had no greater status in the eyes of the Court than any other
>>special interest group. This may be fatal to the legal challenge to
>>Amendment 2.

>If you're referring to Bowers v. Hardwick, the Court's decision did
>_not_ address the issue of "protected classes."  If you have another
>case in mind, please enlighten us.

I'm afraid this came up Friday in my con law class, and my notes on
the case law aren't as clear as they ought to be... The professor
cited Reitman v. Mulkey, 387 US 369, as a possible basis for the
challenge of Amendment 2 (here a California constitutional amendment
was overturned, because it placed an undue bruden on a "protected
minority"'s (blacks') abilitiy to lobby for anti-discrimination
laws (e.g. such laws with respect to housing would require an
amendment rather than just a new law.) However, my professor
then went on to mention (I _think_) Hunter v. Erickson, 393 US 385,
which concerned a Georgia law agianst (?) sodomy. Part of the
Court's reasoning apparnetly included the statement that homosexuals
were _not_ considered by the Court to be a "minority" protected in the
same way ethnic minorities are. 

                                                Frank Crary
                                                CU Boulder

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Religion in UK and US
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:30:43 GMT

jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher) writes:
>                                         Britain   US
>%age who believe in:
...
>Life after death                            55     78
>Heaven                                      54     86

Perhaps I'm just out of touch with the Religion thing, but it seems
rather odd to me that more US people believe in Heaven than in life
after death.  What do the (at least) 8% of people who believe in one
but not the other think Heaven is for?  Does God just sit around there
with the angels laughing at our brief and miserable existences?

Actually, I am quite ignorant of religious beliefs outside the
mainstream Catholicism in which I was brought up.  Would religious
Jews, for instance, believe in Heaven but not life after death?

,
Eamonn
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jrw@dptg.att.com (Jim Webb)
Subject: Re: Tired today for the right reasons
Organization: AT&T/NCR, Lincroft, NJ, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:04:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.204415.21649@psych.toronto.edu>
           paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings) writes:

> [ ....oh my..... ]

You haven't per chance been talking with Greg Parkinson
recently?

The reason I ask is the last time I had to take a cold
shower at work due to reading soc.motss was after reading
his 8 inches times 1 stroke per second times 30 minutes
posting.....

:-)

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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Fundamentalists and the clitoris
Date: 17 Nov 1992 15:30:20 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov17.221334.19904@netcom.com> 
solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:

> I say this because in almost every mammal species, male nipples
> and clitorises are *entirely* nonfunctional,

My clitoris is *entirely* nonfunctional?  YIKES!

> since they are not
> stimulated by sexual contact.

Hey, bud, *MY* nipples are stimulated by sexual contact.
Hell, my nipples are stimulated by the mere thought of
sexual contact.

Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: wrobboy@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (William Robboy)
Subject: Sam Nunn (was Sam Num sucks and not well either)
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:10:44 GMT

entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one) writes:

>According to Clarinet Sam Num (democrat) is opposing the lifting of the
>military ban. Does anyone know anything about him? Does he have any good
>third party opponent?

I assume you're talking about Sen. Sam Nunn. He's not up for
elective office. Clinton is considering him for his cabinet (Sec.
of Defense?). Clinton was asked at his recent press conference about
this discrepancy with respect to allowing gays in the military, and replied
that his appointees don't have to agree with his policies in order to
implement them, and that in fact it's a bad thing to have only appointees
who agree with one on everything. Of course, Nunn's opinion suggests
a larger set of attitudes towards LGB people, beyond just policy detail.

Bill Robboy	wrobboy@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu	blawlrwy@uiamvs.bitnet
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 20 Nov 1992 15:58:26 EST
From: Larry Bliss <BLISS@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: NGLTF Creating Change--My Experience

It was great to read Robert's experiences at the Creating Change
conference in Los Angeles this past weekend.  I flew in from Portland,
Maine, and throughly enjoyed leaving 30 degrees for 80 degrees.  I had
a great time!  (Of course, I grew up in L.A., so I had an easier time than
Robert had negotiating the roads and freeways.)

I, too, got an electric shock from Harry Hay.  The afternoon I arrived,
walking around the lobby of the LAX Hilton, I saw this guy wandering
alone.  He was wearing jeans and a bright shirt, about a dozen necklaces,
a bright blue/silver cloth wrapped around his head swami-style.  It HAD
to be him!  I walked up and said, "Harry?"  He turned and introduced
himself, we walked to some chairs, and sat and talked for about 15 minutes
He kissed me when he left, which was easily a highlight of the conference!

I hoped that the four of us from Portland would have a chance to compare
notes with the Oregon and Colorado folks, to talk about what we did
as we fought the fundamentalist Right.  (We won here in Portland!)  But I
found the Coloradoites pretty uninterested ... almost unfriendly.  The
Oregon folks were great, though, and several of us from Maine visited for
a long time with them about what worked and what didn't.

I spent much of my time at fundraising workshops: grantwriting, direct
mail, meet-the-funders, etc. In general, I found them to be pretty basic,
but many of the folks clearly learned a lot.

I had a chance to visit with the Sisters, and we shared notes about common
friends.  I worked in San Francisco for 10 years before moving to Maine,
and several friends were Sisters.  Its easy to be "put off" by the
outrageousness of their drag, but they are priceless.  Individually and
collectively, the Sisters are an important part of gay/queer culture. I'm
envious of Robert for his opportunity to be an altar boy at the mass
conducted at Creating Change.

I ramble.  Thats enough for now. I'd be interested in hearing from others
who attended Creating Change.


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart & "Space Age"
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:57:02 GMT

In article <69745@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>My doctor started complimenting me on the fact that I "must eat 
>a very healthy diet...." It was all I could do to keep from
>laughing in his face and telling him I went through (on average)
>1.5lb of butter and 0.5lb of cheese per WEEK -- and some not
>insignificant amount of whole milk to drink with it all. And
>then of course, there's all that peanut butter.....
>Admittedly, I don't consume "Dead Animal Body;" that may well
>have something to do with it.

I doubt it.  You chose your parents well.  Boasting about that
is like someone boasting about hir good looks.  It's unseemly. :-)

>All the cholesterol I consume comes from dairy products.

George, dietary cholesterol is almost entirely uncorrelated with
serum cholesterol.  It's total fat (and secondarily, % of saturated fat)
which makes the difference.  (Lacto-ovo-) vegetarians whose intake of
saturated fat is similar to meat eaters have a similar incidence of
atherosclerosis.

-- 
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Xref: sparky soc.motss:48364 co.politics:2194
Newsgroups: soc.motss,co.politics
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: Equal Rights Laws, a misunderstanding
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
	<BxvGuy.5H8@fc.sde.hp.com> <1992Nov17.220847.22148@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:58:05 GMT
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In article <1992Nov17.220847.22148@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:

   The Governor and state Attorney General are responsible for defending
   it, and will select the lawyer who will agrue the case in court. Both
   are opposed to the Amendment and Romer, at least, cares less about
   honestly doing the duties of his office than about furthering his 
   political ends. I suspect the lawyer selected will be the least
   capable, most overworked person that Romer can find...

How interesting that he "cares less about honestly doing the duties of
his office than about furthering his political ends".

Furthering political ends by cozying up to gays and pissing off
everyone else?  That's a new one.

Maybe, just maybe, he cares more about doing the Right Thing than he
does about doing the duties of his office according to your
interpretation of his duties.
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From: mattg@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Matthew Gormley)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:37:41 GMT
Subject: Measure M unconstitutional
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: soc.motss

Just thought we all might find this interesting.  In this morning's San Jose
Mercury News (11/17), a small article mentioned that measure M in Concord was
declared unconstitutional by a district judge because it discriminated against
one group of people for no apparent reason.  No mention was given whether the
group who put it on the ballot (Rev Mashore et al) will try to appeal or not.

Let's all hope for Measure 2 in Colorado to have the same fate!

Matt
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Telephone surveys
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:56:08 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <dialSforSurvey@kaa.gr.osf.org> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
>While it may indeed be possible to design a questionnaire to
>elicit this information with such accuracy, I have two major
>misgivings with what you say above.  First of all, how can you
>tell that your results are accurate to "within about three
>percent"?  I see no way to check apart from other surveys with
>the same assumptions about accuracy.

One can never tell that a statistical sample is accurate within 3%.
One can mathematically determine that, given the population size and a
(truely random) sample, that there is a X% chance that 
the survey is within Y% accuracy.  I believe for a sample to be
considered "scientific" you must achieve at least a 97% confidence 
that the sample is within 3%.  Of course, the keyword here is "random".
The human population is not evenly distributed and it is difficult to
achieve a truly random sample.

>Secondly, and I think more importantly, even assuming a
>perfectly-designed questionnaire you cannot escape the fact
>that lots of people are just not going to answer *any* personal
>questions over the telephone.

All I can say is that there was a time in my life where I would
lie about my sexual orientation on a completely anonymous 
survey.  Even if nobody else would know, *I* would know I checked the
"homosexual" box and I wasn't ready to officially declare it to myself 
(even though I knew damn well I was gay).  It's a stupid game and I
suspect I wasn't alone in this regard.  For this reason (and others)
I believe under best efforts, a homosexual count would still come up
short.

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