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From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: accidently out
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 02:59:51 GMT

eruthstr@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ellyn Ruthstrom) writes:
: This is my first post to a newsgroup--can't wait to be
: demuffined--heavy on the butter.

OK, so a few days late, but *wild*demuffining*hugs* from this quarter.
Heavy on the butter, too.  Welcome aboard :-)

: The other thing I've been interested in with this group is the number of bis 
: writing from England.

Hmm.  Perhaps that's what you meant to say, but it looks plausible
you're being dangerously vague about national boundaries here ... there
are indeed a lot of English posters on this group, but the highest
single point concentration must be in Edinburgh, which is distinctly on
the far side of a certain border that shows some risk of becoming more
important in the nearish future.  Just a small point, but important to
some :-)

Any theories on why there are proportionately less US posters than one
might expect from the net's constituents might interest me too, though.
Personally, my vote is for a chain sociological explanation: a local
"tradition" of Brit posters leads to more Brit posters, in the same way
that immigrant communities build up.  That is to say, the "disparity"
(such as it is) is from more Brit posters as noted, than less US.  It
seems this is particularly valid for the hugh number of Australians
here, who appear very much as a sociologically-connected segment.

hugs
Mike, "theories, theories, two for a penny!"
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- g+ k+ s m- e? |    "Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and      |  Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion          |                 - Bruce Cockburn
               --The end of confusion is the beginning of death--
From: angi@festival.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Kilroy, and RFI
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:44:28 GMT

Can some kind person email me with the London Bisexual Phoneline number?
Thanks. 

The reason why is that Clive (Grace) and i did an interview with Kilroy
on being in a happy bisexual relationship.  It's for his column in the
colour supplement of the Mirror on Sunday and they will publish both UK
phoneline numbers and a contact address with the article. 

I guess all publicity is good and i believe the Mirror on Sunday has a
circulation of 100,000 so we should reach some new people.  Yeah! *grin*
I had a wee look over some of his previous columns which are all "human
interest" personal stories and reasonably positive. 

I think we came across as rather wholesome.  The photos were taken in
the romantic setting of the ruined chapel in Holyrood Park.  (For those
who don't know Edinburgh, Holyrood Park is an extensive green place with
a large lump of rock in the middle of Edinburgh.)

The article will be published in 4-6 weeks time probably just before
Christmas.  I'll let you all know if and when i have an actual date. 

Angi
--
"A good card player is hard to find." - me - said to Kilroy last week
From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Elf calls for a 12-step help...
Date: 17 Nov 1992 23:26:21 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
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Oh, Elf, you need a hug.

*Big Burly Hug*
*supportive hug*
*understanding hug*
*very tight hug*

js
From: ecayce@girtab.usc.edu (Edgar Cayce)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Really blatant flirtation
Date: 16 Nov 1992 11:59:04 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles
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As per purity test scores... I stand at 38%.... and would like to lower it!
--Ed


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From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: My inner man
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:47:51 GMT

In article <By0n36.C7w@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>In article <By0A50.8Gn@news.udel.edu> seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore) writes:
>>I thought that it came from Fornication Under the Crown of the King(FUCK!)
>ARGH!!!!!  *See* what we meant????

Oh, for For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge's sake! <spank> <spank> <spankety-spank>,
Jim!  Here, take this bunch of hugs and go buy yourself a good etymological
dictionary.

				Kay
-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
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From: litterst@tuttifrutti.cns.udel.edu (Nat'l Mediocre Soc.)
Subject: Re: FAQ?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:24:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.180549.6584@leland.Stanford.EDU> mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
>litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Nat'l Mediocre Soc.) writes:
>: 	If there isn't can someone tell me what a muffin is?
>
>Again, I'm sure you know by now.  Still, I thought I might point out
>that it's clear what sort of muffin you are:
>: From: litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu
>                 ^^^^^
>Mmmmm!  Deelish!
>
>Hugs, and welcome aboard

Thanks,Mike.  But it gets worse (or better)  The system I'm on is named 
"freezer" and as such, all of the workstaions (like pecan) are named after
flavors of ice cream.  I'm on tuttifrutti, now.  Any flavor requests?  I'll
provide the ice cream...

*snuggle*  *purr*  and (as always)  *HUGS!!!*

							Steve

-- 
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| c/o Stephen C. Litterst       |                 always at their best.  | 
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|_litterst@freezer.cns.udel.edu___\_____________NMS mottoes______________|
From: adkisson@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Rob Adkisson)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: My inner man
Date: 19 Nov 92 07:45:09 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <Bxo1At.Aon@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>In article <BxMK80.JDC@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>>In article <DAMIAN.CUGLEY.92Nov12175352@pierrot.comlab> Damian.Cugley@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Damian Cugley) writes:
>>>If you like short words, "fuck" originally referred to penetration
>>>exclusively (fuck = plough).  This requires the person you are
>>he likes since the saxon is closer to the Dutch anyway.
>
>No no no no no no!  the Germanic root you're looking for has nothing
>to do with ploughing, but with striking and beating.  I have a feeling
>that it goes all the way back to IE, but I don't have my references
>with me.  Try asking a.u.e or sci.lang; someone may know.
>
>				kay

Just had to respond, being the Germanic languages major :-)

According to my etymological dictionary "fuck" comes from a lower Rhein (?)
(niederrheinische--not sure of the exact English for this German word...) 
dialect (vycken) meaning "to strike with a lash/reed".  It is related to
the Norwegian (fikle) meaning "to move heftily". 

Maybe that clears it up??  Or did I just start something nasty :-) [evil grin]!

rob 
-- 
____________________________________________________________
rob adkisson         ____   A young flirt of Ceylon
                     \bi/   Who led the boys on, 
                      \/    Playing 'Follow the Leda'!
U. of Texas, Austin         Succumbed to a swan -- Ogden Nash  
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From: sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Conley)
Subject: Re: I am not a white male. (was: PC)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:49:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.031653.8100@leland.Stanford.EDU> mlloyd@westmark.Stanford
.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
>sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven Conley) writes:
>[identifying himself as "Icky White Male at White Male Conspiracy"]

I was being a little sarcastic.

[stuff deleted]
>
>The argument you used was, in my view, white(ish), male(ish) and
>wrong(ish).  The last is not a consequence of the first two, but it is
>worthy of note that these characteristics are present in what you say.
>If you believe that either trend is not there, then we can talk more of
>our views of gender politics, race politics, and the dynamics of
>oppression (which was the original point, I think).  However you have
>not, as far as I have seen, made any claim that the connections are
>incorrect - merely that they are irrelevant.  Not so, I claim.  Do you
>have a response, or is "fuck you" all we get?  That, as we agreed, makes
>you liberated, but it doesn't help the discussion much.

I need to think about whether I want to get involved in this again or
not.  What I object to, however, is your assumption that my views are a
result of being a part of a cultural elite.  Being white and being male
does not necessarily make one part of the "White Male Monopoly" (as you
called it).  And yes, for the record, I am a male of European descent.
But I am not, to the best of my knowledge, part of a priveleged class.  I
have had to suffer through quite a lot, and my views have been shaped by
necessity, not privelege.  And any "priveleges" I may actually have, I did
not ask for.

Please explain why, in the context of the discussion we were having, how
my genetic characteristics are relevant.  And as I recall, we were _not_
discussing me or why I say what I say.  Also, you'll have to restate your
other points in that discussion.  I was very offended by your comment and
I do not remember the rest of what you said.

Steve Conley
sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Good Vibrations Catalog
Date: 16 Nov 1992 23:44:16 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
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In article <1992Nov16.122530.18097@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:

->I recently read a snippet in a newspaper which sound like an urban
->legend. It is possible to get penile implants which cause an erection at
->the press of a button. (The button controls fills/drains the penile
->implant from a resivoir.) According to the article, a man had such a
->device which was operated by a remote control (!) and got an erection
->anytime his neighbours operated their remote control garage doors.

Not as outlandish as you may think ... I've seen serious shows on impotency
and the actual device, though teh pump I saw had a little bladder that you
pumped to mv the fluid from the reservoir to the penile implant ...

The step from there to "I'm too tired to pump a little pump, make it
electric" is very very short ... 

-roy
-- 
Roy S. Rapoport          rsr@soda.berkeley.edu             rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu
"Letters from you make me feel good."  -Laura Creighton
"Why do you guys all have to have penises?" -anon
DISCLAIMER:  "I meant every word of it, but I doubt anyone else did."
From: muffy@anableps.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: I am not a white male. (was: PC)
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:39:14
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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In-reply-to: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain's message of 17 Nov 1992 22:49:54 GMT

In article <1ebsuiINNqh9@cuda.add.itg.ti.com> winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.233755.24220@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Icky White Male) writes:
>|> I do not believe that it is worth a response.  You can count me out of this
>|> discussion, since I'm suspected of being a male caucasian and anything I say
>|> will be explained away as being a result of what are popularly believed on
>|> soc.bi to be my skin color and genitalia, regardless of the kind of life I've
>|> had to live or what I've been through or how I've come to my conclusions.
>|> 
>|> So, with respect to all that, fuck you, I don't care what you think.

>Well said, IMO, and a good "period" to this anoying thread!
>Am I white, too, people?!
>Guess so.... since I agree with sconely.

So, from all this (and the "what other people think" thread), it seems
safe to assume that, since y'all are so "liberated," you are completely
out, in all phases of your life?  You wear your "Bisexual Pride" pins
when you interview for jobs and look for housing?  You walk around
proudly in public with your same-sex lovers, making it clear that you
are lovers?  And nothing at all bad happens.  No one insults you,
attacks you, refuses to hire you?  How about telling us more about
this...like where it is?  How long have you been out, anyway?  I
honestly do want to know "what kind of life you live," as a "liberated"
bisexual.

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                               muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
~Weavers' fingers flying on the loom/patterns shift too fast to be
 discerned/all these years of thinking/ended up like this/in front
 of all this beauty/understanding nothing~ - Bruce Cockburn
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From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: Re: I am not a white male. (was: PC)
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:10:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.233755.24220@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Icky White Male) writes:
>
>So, with respect to all that, fuck you, I don't care what you think.
>
>sconley@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

And with respect to you, a big kiss for being so damn self reliant.
:)
Jim, who is really trying to catch up. 
BTW, it maynot have been jon but rather steve I referred to in an
earlier post. oops to both involved.
Sloppy drunken hugs.
-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    
               SILENCE = DEATH    
This is not a black and white world,
to be alive I believe the colors must be swirled- Live.
From: penguin@reed.edu (Steven Millman)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Penetration
Keywords: Enclosure, penetration
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:56:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov17.195608.24717
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon


Bonking is a good word, but
two women can bonk and not have penetration. So Enclosure it is I suppose.
Anyway I'm sick of it and am trying to eliminate from my sex life. It's just
such a lazy and easy way to make a man come. I mean I enjoy but I'm sick
of it.
Vikki

Understandable but maybe coming (all puns intended) from the wrong angle.
I'm male and I get awfully bored by a woman who is just into penetration.  It
isn't any fun for me.  (I'm not into ANYTHING anal so it doesn't come up with
men)  The trick I've found is to just make love to people who aren't so hung
up on "pumping iron" and have enclosure when desired only.  That's what fun's
all about anyway.

PS  Welcome me back.  I was in Montana since about two months ago and I lived!
YAY!!!!!!!!

Actually Missoula, MT is pretty fun.

penguin@reed.edu
From: winsor@geek.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (js)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Ignore These Rantings
Date: 17 Nov 1992 22:43:17 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Incorporated, Austin
Distribution: world
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In article <1e980jINNcku@agate.berkeley.edu>, rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
|> 
|> Yes, I realize quite probably a big contributor to my mood is my
|> (approximately) 28.5 hours without sleep.  As I said, you should have
|> ignored these ...
|> 
|> I'm just really sick and fuckin' tired of all these friends I have who I
|> care for deeply getting so damn stepped upon by people around them, or by
|> societal standards, or by other things that they have no control of ...
|> 
|> Last week it was a dear friend of mine who I care for deeply suspecting he's
|> gay because he was in sexual situations with 2 (that's _2_ ... I haven't
|> forgotten any zeroes) women and he just wasn't really interested in sex ...
|> just nude cuddling ... And this stupid, asinine, societal standard that says
|> that if you're nude with a woman, you _must_ want to have sex with her, and
|> you're gay otherwise ...
|> 
|> And this week it's another friend of mine, a woman who I care about very
|> much, getting rather heavily betrayed by someone she trusted and being
|> convinced that she'll never find her Right Male Top ... 
|> 
|> Fuck ... why is it that all the people who I personally think deserve to get
|> some of the best and deepest happiness in life are the ones who generally
|> end up being screwed by the assholes, or by this society? 
|> 
|> *sigh* And it was shaping out to be such a pleasant week, even ... 
|> 
|> Ignore me.  It'll pass.
|> 
I shan't ignore you, Roy, and I'll even send some personal snuggles...

And here's some for your dear friends to:
*hug* *hug* *hug*
*hug* *hug* *hug* 

(3) for each.

js
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eowyn@chopin.udel.edu (Zoe Antonia Velonis)
Subject: Re: The Pope se...
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:42:41 GMT

In article <69850@cup.portal.com> Drakon@cup.portal.com (HARRY BENJAMIN GIBSON) writes:
>I wanted to ask this before someone else did.
>
>It was reported today in the paper that Pope John Paul II sez that "in heaven 
>there is no sex." and that the residence don't miss it because"they are like
>angels"
>
>There is no sex, and I have heard earlier that there is no beer in heaven. 
>
>Why do they call it Heaven?
>
>Ben Gibson (on the lookout for sin to avoid such a place.)

Well, that's why you're talking to us.  I agree, like most Utopias people
have bothered to write about, it doesn't sound so damn hot to me....
*sly wink*
Zoe

Well, that's why you're talking to people like us.  I agreee
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: MJW19@phx.cam.ac.uk (Michael Williams)
Subject: Re: Feeling out of place
Reply-To: MJW19@phx.cam.ac.uk (M.J. Williams)
Organization: The National Society for the Inversion of Cuddly Tigers
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:02:22 GMT

In article <BxtF1z.CtI@newcastle.ac.uk>, J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
> crj10@phx.cam.ac.uk (Clive Jones) writes:
> >I see sexuality as something to do/be, rather than something to hold political
> >opinions about.
> 
> I'm afraid if you believe it should be legal, that's a political opinion.
> Everything is political. You can't escape having political opinions. That
> isn't the same as being politically motivated.

Personally I do have political opinions about my sexuality. They are, howver
between me and the ballot box.

Mike.
--
____________________________________________________________________________
\  /  / Michael Williams                     Part II Computer Science Tripos
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|  |(__)Cymdeithas Genedlaethol Traddodiad Troi Teigrod Mwythus Ben I Waered
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From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: coming out to my parents
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:04:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.153149.23717@ctp.com> 
 sthor@ctp.com (Sarah Thornburg) writes:
>Okay, so here's a question - why is it that gays and lesbians seem to
>believe that every one who is *not* het shouldn't *look* het.  I know, I
>know, it's yet another way of openly declaring one's sexuality, just like the
>T-shirts and pins etc.  But why is it that we are seen as somehow *wrong*,
>or at least not serious about being lesbigay if we look just like the
>average het on the street?  I mean really!  I look like the average
>girl-next-door, and quite frankly, that's also the kind of woman I am
>attracted to.  I don't believe that makes me any less bi than someone who
>"looks" lesbigay.

True.

There is the particular problem that it is difficult to "look" bisexual.

I can look "queer", I can look "het", I can look "kinky" but "bisexual"
is hard to hint at with a fashion statement... 

 ;)


-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: definitions, motivations, and a question (was Re: Altruism)
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:00:36 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <vashti.721669894@concave> vashti@concave.cs.wits.ac.za (Vashti Galpin) writes:
>I think it is more difficult to come out as bi when you have not had
>actual sexual experiences with members of one of the sexes. I am happy
>that on soc.bi I can define myself as bi without having to list the
>actions that I have done. (in my case, I have not had sex with a woman
>(excluding some experimentation at the age of twelve or so) although I
>am definitely attracted to them). But one of the reasons that I am
>reluctant to come out off the net, is that there may be people out
>there who will be quite accepting of me as bi, until they find out that
>I haven't slept with all the sexes (I'm losing count of how many there
>are :-). But having sex with a women to prove I am bi is just not an
>option. And sometimes I have my doubts about being bi and ask myself
>who am trying to kid.

Well, the first person I came out to was my husband, and his first
reaction was the "but you haven't done anything yet" variety.  But
he was, of course, very threatened by my attraction to women, and
he had a lot to loose. I did, however, feel very strongly that if
I waited until I'd actually slept with a women, my marriage wouldn`t
have a chance.  My marriage still might not make it, but at least
this way, I feel like any decisions we'll make will be conscious ones,
and not ones we make by default.

I haven't gotten that reaction from anyone else I've come out to.

Personally, I've found coming out to be very helpful, as it has
relieved some of the isolation I was feeling right before I did.



>
>But in general, I really feel accepted by all of you and it keeps me
>going. Hugs to all.
>                                                                ____ 
>                                                                \bi/ 
>Vashti                                                           \/

<Hugs> to you, too, and good luck in whatever you decide to do.

To respond to anyther thread, I'm in the throes of an absolutely
raging attraction to women, partly at least, as a result of all
the years of suppression. Right now, though, I'm responding so
strongly to women that I feel like I should be wearing a sign,
"Caution, flamable!".

Peggy
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: coming out to my parents
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:19:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Nov18.161959.20270
Organization: AT&T

In article <nsn.722057945@munagin> nsn@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>bhat@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Timothy Alan Heath BELL) writes:
>>nsn@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>>>(Tim: it *is* 'mei', not 'michi'. Yes, I know it doesn't parse. Mediaeval
>>>Latin; whaddaya expect? :)
I lost track of the attributions in there, somewhere....

But, isn't it "mihi", not "michi", that it would be if it weren't "mei"?
I'm so *confused*!!



Piglet, scratching ear meditatively (yes, my own, whose did you think?)
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