HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer)
Subject: Re: Space Craft From Other Plants
Organization: TI DSEG, Spring Creek, Plano, Tx.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:59:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.151619.21039@engage.pko.dec.com> stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (What a long, strange trip it's been) writes:
> I'll bet families travel together.  I'll bet whole families crew ships.

	Oh, I see.  Okay.  Let's say I'm going to pilot a starship.
If families go together, then my wife Pon comes with me.  And my
brother.  And Pon's two sisters and two brothers.  And Pon's two
sisters' husbands, and Pon's nieces and nephews.  Gee, I'll really
miss my parents, though.  They should come too.  And Pon's mother (her
father has already passed away.)  If my parents go, then my mother's
sister should go, as well as my father's two sisters and their
families.  And if Pon's mother goes, then all of Pon's aunts and
uncles should go too.  And if my Uncle David goes (the husband of my
father's sister), then his brothers and sisters should go, and...
	Gee, this is really adding up.  Looks like there has to be a
line drawn somewhere.  Someone is still going to miss a close
relative, no way around it.

-- 
Mark Meyer                                               | mmeyer@dseg.ti.com |
Texas Instruments, Inc.                                  +--------------------+
Every day, Jerry Junkins is grateful that I don't speak for TI.
                 "When Hell freezes over and I'm invited to the skating party."
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: serb@polisci.umn.edu (Scott Erb)
Subject: Re: What's your SIQ?
Summary: Questions, questions :)
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:03:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.062949.14276@u.washington.edu> pul@hardy.u.washington.edu (Arbaline) writes:

>In article <VyJoTB3w165w@kalki33> kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
>>(Please answer each question in 25 words or less)
>>1) What is the soul?

>The immortal upper mental/causal body of Man from which each
>personality incarnation descends, send forth to store all positive
>experiences for fulfillment of the Plan.

PLAN???!!!!  What plan is that?  Do you really think this all goes according 
to some plan?  I think we're just making it up as we go along.  We've 
created this illusion and we're playing in it, but it's nobody's plan but 
our own.  In other words, we should all lighten up, not take ourselves (or 
our spirituality) so seriously, not judge people, have fun, but at the same 
time add our creative imaginative bit at helping make the experience here 
more fun for everyone, especially those who not realizing that they are 
creating their reality find themselves trapped by the belief that they can't 
do anything about it.
From: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: 28th Oct Rapture: Real Reason?
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 92 14:39:07 EST
Reply-To: kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Organization: Kalki's Infoline BBS, Aiken, SC, USA

lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len B.) writes:

> Truth is Black and White. If it is True, then it must work
> for us all as we all belong to the same set of spiritual and
> physical laws. by virtue of our common race, the race of
> humanity; the Adamic Race.
> 
> I have yet to find Truth in any religion.
> 


Have you precisely followed the recommendations of any religion? Have
you done exactly what the scriptures say to do, without omitting or
adding anything of your own devising? Have you actually undergone any
process of purification, without even the slightest cheating? Have you
accepted a spiritual master, and are you doing your best to carry out
his orders?

God is not cheap, and He reserves the right not to reveal Himself to
anyone and everyone. Sincerity is what counts. If one sincerely wants to
find God, then the way will be provided. But one must be serious and not
back out when the way is revealed.

Yes, the Truth you speak of exists. The Absolute Truth must be
approached with a proper attitude. One cannot simultaneously desire
something and run from it. One must be whole-heartedly determined to
find the Absolute Truth.

                                    Sincerely,
                                    Kalki Dasa

       -------------------------------------------------------
      |  Don't forget to chant:   Hare Krishna Hare Krishna   |
      |                           Krishna Krishna Hare Hare   |
      |                           Hare Rama Hare Rama         |
      |                           Rama Rama Hare Hare         |
      |                                                       |
      |   Kalki's Infoline BBS Aiken, South Carolina, USA     |
      |        (kalki33!kalki@lakes.trenton.sc.us)            |
       -------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: The time has come
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:29:31 GMT

Shannon Chris Saltzman (phoenix@cwis.unomaha.edu) wrote:

: I HAVE NOT been ramming my religion down other peoples throats
: and I resent it being done to me. 

Well, friend, this *is* talk.religion.NEWAGE, *not* talk.religion.MISC.  If
you want to attack "New Age" concepts, why don't you take your attacks to
soc.religion.christian?  I'm sure Charles Hedrick would be glad to let
your posts through (I believe he's the moderator of s.r.c)

: I will not force this on this newsgroup because it isnt what they need
: or want but I will not be silent While you ram your perverted image of
: my God down theirs or my throat(s)!!!
: Please state your opinions as such and let them decide or pick 
: another God to misrepresent!

Then please be unsilent somewhere else.  No one is ramming anything down
your throat.  If you don't like the topics, you are free to go somewhere
else.  But don't try to disrupt this newsgroup with your anger.
--
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to become aware of what
he already is, of the True Self within."  -- Zen maxim
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: What's your SIQ?
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:56:48 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <0TBRTB3w165w@kalki33>, kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
<smd@sl0091.srl.ford.com (Steve Dahmen) writes:
<
<<If you wish to do something positive for Krishna Consciousness, then please,
<<Love God with All your Heart, All your Thought, and All your Soul, and let
<<that powerful radiance speak for your spiritual development.  All this
<<harping is only adding to the somewhat tarnished vision that most people alre
<<carry about ISKON.  Step outside your fantasy pundit world for a few moments
<<and realize that your "stuff" is representing 1) the path of yoga, esp Bhakti
<<ISKON, and thereby Srila Prabhupad and through him, Lord Krishna.  Take a
<<moment to note your outright proselytization (preaching) that is so
<<terrifically reminiscient of the various Christian approaches to preaching.
<<
<<Wake up and Smell the Maya, dude!
<<
<
<What are you talking about?

What he's talking about is that no one can hear your message, because
the presentation is much too loud.

<What "tarnished vision that most people already carry about ISKCON"?

That you have given up independent use of your intellect and
responsibility for your actions, allowing someone else to think and
decide for you, and that you have become zealous zombies.

<What "fantasy pundit world"?

In which you claim to know everything better than anyone else, and
have completely closed your mind to any real interactions with people.
In which you have such spiritual arrogance as to claim you have
nothing to learn from anyone else.

<Is something wrong with "outright proselytization"?

Not if all you want to do is irritate and alienate people. Not if you
want to drive anyone potentially interested in your practice as far
away as possible.

<
<Sincerely,
<Kalki Dasa
<
<
<       -------------------------------------------------------
<      |  Don't forget to chant:   Om Mane Padme Hum           |
<      |                           Om Mane Padme Hum           |
<      |                                                       |
<       -------------------------------------------------------

Thank you for posting. You're even more fun than the Christian
fundies! :-)+-
-- 
"Once upon a time men were possessed    ******************************
by devils. Now they are not less        *  Lorenzo Farris            *
obsessed by ideas" -CG Jung             *  farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu *
					******************************
From: aquilanm@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Mark T Aquilano )
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: HUUUUU... or Are You Interested in God?
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:04:18 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group

Linda.Birmingham@brunel.ac.uk (Linda Birmingham) writes:

>In article <TWSVA6@MPLVAX.SRI.COM> MSW@MPLVAX.SRI.COM (Mark S. Williams - Ag213) writes:
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>HU is a love song to God. It represents the love of God for Soul. And we
>>are Soul.
>>
>>for years. Some have had contact with the Sound and not known what it was. As
>>I mentioned before, the Sound can come in many forms, a ringing in the ears,
>>the sound of running water, bells, bees, or the flute, etc. These are different
>>sounds one can hear depending on one's state of consciousness or where one's
>>attention is focused. There are also various words one can sing that can be
>>used to focus their attention at various levels. Aum or Om is a more familiar
>>word, used by many. There are others all good but somewhat limited. The best
>>way I know of to get a connection with the Light and Sound is by the use of HU
 
Is hearing this sound a permanent condition once this contact is established?
I have read in Peter Michael Hamel's "Through Music to the Self" a description
of a from of sound visualization which will open up a person's "inner sound." 
He gives a strong warning against this however, because of the disruption 
this would cause in daily life.  This condition is found in some forms
of psychoses.  At the end of Robert Schumanns life, for example, this great
composer, suffering from a brain degeneration caused by syphillis, reported
hearing spectacular, cosmic music played on instruments not belonging to the
Earth.  Of course, these sounds also took the forms of a demonic choir which
accused him of plagarising his compositions.  On the other hand, we can read   
of Pythagoras, who may have developed an inner ear which was in connection
with real, celestial harmonies.  Pythagoras obviously did not become crazy from
this.  As to the question of why  HU is used - I know nothing about Eckankar
philosphy, however, in reading on vocal harmonics as they are used in healing  
(I have read Jonathan Goldman's excellent book on this subject), and pract-    dicing some of the excercises, it seems as if the overtones from different
vowel sound will be directed at different energy centers.  the UUUU sound
will direct energy into the pineal gland, apparently an important center in 
some approaches to spiritual growth.       

Any comments on this?  

Mark Aquilano
aquilanm@gas.uug.arizona.edu

.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 92 18:08:07 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <68245@cup.portal.com><68372@cup.portal.com> <BwpsrH.9t6@world.std.com>
  <68477@cup.portal.com> <92301.232051JKC3@psuvm.psu.edu>
  <68644@cup.portal.com> <68677@cup.portal.com> <68693@cup.portal.com>
  <68785@cup.portal.com> <68827@cup.portal.com>

Dear Littlefoot People: How about that Bigfoot. He is really a 
lady's man.
John Winston.
From: kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: What's your SIQ?
Date: 9 Nov 92 08:02:58 EST

In article <R89sTB3w165w@kalki33>, kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
> kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo) writes:
>> Prediction: I will always be graded by you to have 0 or less than 0% on this
>> test.
> Yes, unless you want to get serious about discussing the Absolute Truth,
> you are quite correct.
Hey, I'm psychic.  I made a 100% true prediction.   Here's another: you will
not understand the following statement: you have broken the fifth rule.
> 
>> >> > Spiritual Intelligence Test.
>> >> > (Please answer each question in 25 words or less)
>> >> > 1) What is the soul?
>> >> The bottume of my shoue.
>> > Question 1 grade: 0% (joking to cover up ignorance)
>> 
>> You conjecture that I am joking.  Please provide evidence that I am joking. 
>> Also, you indicate elsewhere that God is everywhere.  Is he, and hence par of
>> my soul also not in the bottom of my shoe?  For shame!
> 
> Yes, God is everywhere. But you are not God. 
Says who?
> You are an individual soul,
> and the individual soul is not all-pervading. We, as individual souls,
> are part of the supreme soul, or Supersoul. But the Supersoul is
> unlimited, whereas we are limited. 
Says who?
> The soul may inhabit a material body,
> but the body is not the soul. God is certainly in the bottom of your
> shoe, but the bottom of your shoe is not God. You, as the individual
> soul, are in your body, but you are not in the bottom of your shoe.
Proof please?
>> >> > 2) What is the purpose of human life?
>> >> To keepe the soul of mye shoue in goode repaire.
>> > Question 2 grade: 0% (joking to cover up ignorance)
>> Once again, please provide proof that I am joking, or that I  am ignorant of
>> the condition of my soul.  Just because I do not believe your subjective
>> statements does  not make it so.
> 
> The question was not about the condition of your soul, but the purpose
> of human life. It was a simple question designed to evoke sincere
> responses so that an honest dialog might begin. 
Really?  You don't seem interested in dialogue.  You keep telling me where I am
wrong.  But I have scientific proof that I am *not* wrong.  So there.

> It was not intended as a
> threat to anyone's pride or an insult to anyone's intelligence. If it
> was taken that way we are not at fault, for we did not issue it in a
> mean spirit. 
See discussion of insults on sci.skeptic
> Yes, we know something of the actual nature of the soul,
> and we know what is the purpose of human life. It is unfortunate that
> this is perceived as a threat rather than an opportunity.

You actually admit this?  Well, welcome to the human race.  So do the rest of
us.

(8:-) for those who take this discussion too seriously.  Hint:  this is a
hint.)

GXKambic
standard vedic disclaimer
From: tucker@mitre.org (William Tucker)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Where is the navel chakra
Keywords: Re: Where is the navel chakra
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:06:37 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA, USA


You farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris) wrote:

  In the Hindu and Buddhist literature, and teachers, that I know of, the
  third major chakra, or psychic center, in the subtle body/energy body/
  aura, is located at about 2 inches below the navel. I think this 
  corresponds to the Hara/Tan T'ien in Japanese/Chinese teachings. 
  However, all the new age material I have seen, the third center is
  located at the solar plexus. In both descriptions they seem to
  correspond to the same sort of energy, i.e., power, will, etc.

  Anybody got any idea why there is the discrepancy in location?

  Thanks,
			Lorenzo


I (William Tucker) think:

That the Hara and the 3rd chakra or solar plexus chakra are not the 
same thing. I have a book specifically on the Hara, and it's spoken 
of more in the way that Aikido masters speak of the center of balance
and intent or purpose. I've also attended a lecture given by 
Barbara Brennan authouress of "Hands of Light" who spoke about the Hara 
as being "separate" from the chakra system and as being the true essence
of being. She seemed to intimate that it was related to our spiritual 
core. I've noticed discrepancies between various groups on the 
meaning of color in the aura(s) and location/shape of chakras, both 
withing New Age/Theosophical and "traditional" literature, I've 
attributed a great deal of the difference to opinion and varying 
degrees of true knowledge. Reporting on what you see is a lot 
different than giving your opinion about "why" it is. To me Barbara
Brennan has demonstrated the greatest depth of knowledge on this
very real subject, and what she has demonstrated to me is more than 
simple scholarly knowledge.


ps. By the Hara being "separate" from the chakra system I mean
    to imply that it is not equivalent, and serves a different
    purpose, not that it in fact is completely unrelated.

Wm T.


.standard disclaimer
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (What a long, strange trip it's been)
Subject: Re: Space Craft From Other Plants
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:16:01 GMT


In article <MMEYER.92Nov10140135@m2.dseg.ti.com>, mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer) writes...
>In article <1dmgapINNktu@clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk> pyuaq@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr G S Sutherland) writes:
>> I thought that a parsec was several light years.
> 
>	Three point something.  I think it's 3.26.
> 
>> If so, then most places in this region of the galaxy are within
>> "several parsecs" of another planet, ergo faster than light travel
>> will be impossible for them.
> 
>	You got that right.  The nearest star suspected of having
>planets, Barnard's Star, is (6.0 light years) less than 2 parsecs
>away, so a ship from there to here would be forced to travel the whole
>way at sub-light speeds.  Not much of a problem for the crew (if they
>travel near c), but it must be hell on the families back home.

I'll bet families travel together.  I'll bet whole families crew ships.
From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: IGNORE: Test
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:49:55 GMT

this is a test
--
*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*
The accountability of government has gone to the point where the very
use of the law is the instrument of illegality.
		-- Ralph Nader @ Harvard Law School, 1/15/92
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Space Craft From Other Plants
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 21:43:56 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <MMEYER.92Nov12105957@m2.dseg.ti.com>

Dear People: I am surprised that a person made the observation about
us giving contellations and planets names. Kelvin Rowe says his 
space friends don't refer to planets by names but by their orbit.
John Winston.
From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: What's your SIQ?
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:49:16 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <Zc9sTB1w165w@kalki33(, kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
( farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris) writes:
( 
( Thought you weren't going to respond to us any more.

Just to that particular thread. And what's this 'us' stuff? Is this a
group posting under one name, or is there more than one personality
running around in there?
( 
( Sincerely,
( Kalki Dasa
( 
(        -------------------------------------------------------
(       |  Don't forget to chant:   Hairy Jesus Hairy Jesus     |
(       |                           Jesus Jesus Hairy Hairy     |
(       |                           Hairy Mary Hairy Mary       |
(       |                           Mary Mary Hairy Hairy       |
(       |                                                       |
(       |   Kalki's Infoline BBS Aiken, South Carolina, USA     |
(       |        (kalki33!kalki@lakes.trenton.sc.us)            |
(        -------------------------------------------------------
-- 
"Once upon a time men were possessed    ******************************
by devils. Now they are not less        *  Lorenzo Farris            *
obsessed by ideas" -CG Jung             *  farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu *
					******************************
Xref: sparky talk.religion.newage:5112 alt.alien.visitors:8096
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 92 21:13:04 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <68961@cup.portal.com> <69000@cup.portal.com>

Dear Pyramid Watchers: Maybe I'll ask Donald Long to tell me what 
they hope to accomplish during there future trip to the Great Pyramid
of China.
John Winston.
From: kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: What's your SIQ?
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:55:06 GMT

In article <2PBRTB2w165w@kalki33>, kalki33!system@lakes.trenton.sc.us writes:
> kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo) writes:

Prediction: I will always be graded by you to have 0 or less than 0% on this
test.

> 
>> > Spiritual Intelligence Test.
>> > (Please answer each question in 25 words or less)
>> > 1) What is the soul?
>> The bottume of my shoue.
> Question 1 grade: 0% (joking to cover up ignorance)

You conjecture that I am joking.  Please provide evidence that I am joking. 
Also, you indicate elsewhere that God is everywhere.  Is he, and hence par of
my soul also not in the bottom of my shoe?  For shame!
> 
>> > 2) What is the purpose of human life?
>> To keepe the soul of mye shoue in goode repaire.
> Question 2 grade: 0% (joking to cover up ignorance)
Once again, please provide proof that I am joking, or that I  am ignorant of
the condition of my soul.  Just because I do not believe your subjective
statements does  not make it so.

> 
> Overall grade: 0%. Try again!
Ok.  Overall grade 100%, how's that?

GXKambic
standard aeuma disclaimer
From: twv@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Terry Von Gease)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Separateness and Earth Changes (was Re: What's your SIQ?)
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:27:55 GMT
Organization: the Lodi Home for the Bald

>/ hpcss01:talk.religion.newage / system@kalki33.cup.hp.com /  1:03 am  Nov  6, 1992 /
>farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris) writes:
>
>> So, Kalki, does Krsna frown on having a sense of humor?  And the test
>> should probably be renamed Ability-to-memorize-ancient-dogma Test.
>> do you ever actually laugh? I mean besides at how spiritually ignorant
>> the rest of us are.
>
>Thought you weren't going to respond to us any more.
>
>Sincerely,
>Kalki Dasa
>
>       -------------------------------------------------------
>      |  Don't forget to chant:   Hare Krishna Hare Krishna   |
>      |                           Krishna Krishna Hare Hare   |
>      |                           Hare Rama Hare Rama         |
>      |                           Rama Rama Hare Hare         |

While you're at it, don't forget the immortal...

				   Here rama, there rama
				   Everywhere rama rama
				   ...

Terry
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic