From: neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Why are Women *SO* Vain ??
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:04:35 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Jul22.004905.2083@reed.edu> terra@reed.edu (Clippers in '93!!!) writes:
>In article <1992Jul18.073606.20144@cs.hw.ac.uk> neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite) writes:
>>
>>Why are women just *SO* vain.
>>
>>Lip-stick, mascara: generally loads of make-up.
>>Lots of hairspray and gallons of perfume.
>
>Before I jump on ya, Neil, maybe you just have a fucked-up definition of "vain"
>I think by vain, people usually mean that a vain person thinks they're god's 
>gift to good-looking (in this context) and that you'd be blind not to want to 
>jump them.  Anyway, that being my opinion, then how can you call a woman who 
>wears a lot of make-up necessarily vain? Maybe it's that she's overly 
>insecure or thinks she's particularly *un*attractive and therefore NEEDS 
>make-up. 

Maybe I'm using the wrong word, but I'm meaning why do certain women use
it. They don't need it. Do they use it because they think they aren't 'good
looking' enough ?? Dress, make up, perfume etc .. before they head out.

Are they just insecure and need a crutch to lean on like you say.

There are (at a rough guess) the same number of unattractive men. Men don't
paint the make up on do they ?!

' blind not to want to jump them'.

I don't 'jump' people. Are you meaning someone you know, someone at a pick-up
joint, or some (apologies) rape ready horny girly in the street ??

>I know a lot of you want to avoid the old "women shouldn't wear make-up" thread
>and frankly, so do I, but I'd rather try to explain why some of us DO wear a 
>lot (in my case just a little) of make-up, push-up bras, perfume, hair dye,
>etc., etc., etc...   Now, in my opinion, if this were a perfect world, 
>women wouldn't NEED to do this to get the man they want.

Wigs and toupe's. [flame deleted]

>Now, don't get me wrong, I know some of you wouldn't WANT the type of man that
>expects you to look Cosmo-perfect just for him to date you, and ideally I'd
>rather avoid them myself.  BUT, I've found that most of the time, to get the
>attention of the kind of man I want, I need something to make me look more 
>atractive.  I'll admit it, contrary to popular belief, I'm not PERFECT 
>and my skin often can use a little overall smoothing of color and my hair
>gets LOTS more compliments when it's as red as possible, so yeah, I do go to
>certain lengths for my appearance.  But the only reason I do is that it seems
>to be what *works*.  I get more attention (therefore DATES and *SEX*) when 
>I'm dressed up, have on sexy attire, perfume, and some extra red tint to my
>hair.  So, maybe it's guys that are fucked up here, if they're the ones that 
>*respond* to this behavior I'm exhibiting.  Do any of you guys think women put
>on make-up and high heels and noxious-smeling chemicals on our hair because
>it's enjoyable or pleasant? HA! Nope, it's because your buddies out there seem
>to appreciate the effort.

`Cosmo-perfect' seeking male. Agreed on the avoidence.

I s'pose make up may help for the first visual impact but (cliche`) it
is what the person rwally *IS* like. I know lots of not so horny women
I would much rather go out with/sleep with than several Ultra horny
women I know. Why. 'cos the Ultra horny women 

a/ Know it.
b/ Are bitches anyway.
c/ Have few common interests.

>>Most women don't need it, and IMHO many look an awful lot better
>>without it.
>
>I'm so happy you think so, but at least where I live (not where it says above
>either, and I won't say as to avoid biasing my previous post) most guys don't
>feel the same way, they want a woman who LOOKS GOOD, and I frankly want a guy
>who looks damn good himself, so to find each other maybe we need that little
>extra help...after that, if he can tolerate the way I look dripping wet after
>a shower, then we're meant for each other.

If a woman ends up with a guy who only wants a cutie-doll/Hot Babe and
nothing more, well that says a lot about both of them. Especially the guy.

Neil

P.S. Fairly obvious I'm the NG [tm] and not the Asshole/Jerk [tm] eh !!


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