From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU ()
Newsgroups: ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: The Mother of All Flame Wars, Part 2 of 4
Date: 9 Oct 1992 19:35:22 GMT
Organization: Santa Cruz
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In article <1992Oct9.161925.3538@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>In article <ld98vlINNsv9@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase) writes:
>    >In article <1992Oct8.155948.27041@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com
>
>Well, do, or do not, male homosexuals on the average, have close to TWO
>orders of magnitude more sex partners than hetersexuals? Do you NOT
>accept that many many people find this disgusting?
>
>And that female homosexuals do not have this kind of difference?
>

Show me any study that can positively demostrate the above statements
as concrete fact.  And that is just my point, all studies are biased
by the reseacher and their subjects.  I have been evolved in studies
where the subjects have later claimed that they were not quite honest
in their responses.

We must be careful about what we are trying to extract informationally
from some given studies results. I have respect for the Kinsey reports
but in no way have can I conclude that it applies to the everyday
existence of people.

So as far as the questions:  Well, do, or do not, male homosexuals on the average,
have close to TWO orders of magnitude more sex partners than hetersexuals?
Do you NOT  accept that many many people find this disgusting?

They are not answerable in any concrete way, if you are attempting to apply a
studys particular results to the entire population of homosexual individuals.

And this is what really becomes our problem, the application of study results
that only reflect a 'very' small subset or group chosen in a way that will
obviously introduce bias results.

One need only look at the constant studies that come through talking about
health issues-  is red wine good or bad?  is butter good or bad?  is maragine
good or bad?  is oat bran good or bad?  If I can't trust a study that is
attempting to determine if oat bran or red wine are good/bad for me, how would
I ever trust a study that attempts to answer questions about human behavior.

>    >At this point I was skimming along pretty rapidly, but I got
>    >the impression that at least one study was also claiming that
>    >married men who molest boys are "actually homosexual". This
>    >acts both to deflate the heterosexual molestation rate and
>    >increase the homosexual molestation rate, if it is included
>    >in Clayton's statistics.
>
>Are you stating that married men AREN'T ever homosexuals? I thought it
>was not unusual for homosexuals who have not come out to get married to
>hide or hope that they themselves will change etc.
>

I have known many married men who 1) were gay, 2) were bisexual, 3) were 
curious about male to male sexual contacts, even if this only results in
talk about it.  There is much more in the way of male to male sexual
contact then one may know about.  How would one know?  Since many would
want to keep it a secret.

I don't think the above poster is trying to say that there are not married
homosexual men, what he is saying or trying to demostrate is, that it might
be the study that is introducing a bias by making a blanket statement that
this men are  "actually homosexual".  I would not believe such a statement
either, since I have known men who have had sex with other men, and still
claim they are 'straight' or 'bi'.

>-- 
>phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
>

My only conclusion from the number of studies that I have seen on sexuality is as
follows;

The Sexual Spectrum is fairly wide and people cover it from one end to the other
in varying degrees.

I include percentage as an indicator of the distribution not absolute numbers.

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Exclusively								Exclusively
Homosexual       			Bi-Sexual			Heterosexual
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    5%     <------------------------------90%---------------------------->   5%