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From: rdunkle@engin.umich.edu (R. M. Dunkle)
Subject: Re: help with ptp (computer version)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 09:14:17 EST
Organization: Campus Computing Sites, University of Michigan



	re: lefty stats having all zeroes in extra base hits:

	There are three choices of data-entry format when you create a player,
each with not only different organization, but different fields. When you go
in to edit a player, the fields that aren't in another format may go blank.
	PTP may, in fact, not include XBH splits - I'm not sure. I haven't 
looked at this in a while. I *do* know that if you play a whole season with
Maas (14-9 split in hr), keeping everything as it was that year, he *won't*
hit 23 hr vs righty and 0 vs lefty. He may not hit exactly 14 and 9, but it'll
certainly be within reason. 
	If you go in and manually edit him, and give him (or leave him at) 
23 and 0, either his power vs lefties will drop upon exiting to poor, or it
will stay at whatever it is. If it drops, everything's fine, you just zeroed his
numbers by choosing the elias interface; If it stays, then PTP tries to guess 
the split, which is what it does if you don't have *any* lefty-righty data.
	In any case, I can tell you that the results are pretty realistic, so
either they have a really good (and lucky) split-guessing algorithm, or the
data's just wiped a little when you choose a different interface.
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose)
Subject: Re: help with ptp (computer version)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 23:36:53 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <92349.114519RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes:
>hey there.  i recently got ptp 4.00 (and, subsequently, the 4.03 upgrade),
>and with it, the 1991 players' disk.
>
>so what's the scoop? does the computer somehow know the lefty/righty splits
>anyway, or am i going to have to go through each and every player and
>change his splits?  if the second is the case, i'm going to complain my
>buttocks off to ptp.  i mean, i might as well not have got the players'
>disk.  compared to the amount of time it will take to type in everyone's
>splits, the amount of time it will take to type in names and such isn't
>too much more.
>
If I remember correctly, the game actually uses a "batting table" or something
to that effect to generate the stats.  The table is similar to the 1-1000 
splits on the cards in the board game.  (I may be mistaken; our league just
uses the disks as is...)

At any rate, the game is realistic.  You don't need to mess with it.  (Though
it does inflate offense somewhat...I admit my team sucks, but when the other
team has a pinch runner score three times in an inning, you know that you've
let your starter go too long...)


-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu * Walks: not that sexy.
"Halt!  Based on conclusive dental evidence that truly bites, I arrest you 
 hereby for the murdering of the dead Belzic Tascar.  I am obliged to warn you 
 that my weapons are registered as offensive fronds!!"- R.M.Allen, "Monkey See"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: tloughin@IASTATE.EDU (Thomas M Loughin)
Subject: Re: Brewers catching 1993
Reply-To: tloughin@IASTATE.EDU (Thomas M Loughin)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:23:59 GMT

In article <kbanaian.109.0@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu>,
kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) writes:
> I've tried to reply to several inquiries for input, so you should feel duly 
> guilty for not posting a reply to these inquiries herein:
> 
> 1.  How in love with Surhoff is Garner?  Does Nilsson get to play more this 
> season?  I still think Nilsson will hit for power, and with 400 ABs could be 
> the next Chris Hoiles.
> 

All I really know about him is that one guy in our league has been hot on him
from day one.  This guy is also one of the better players around and does his
homework.  Apply grains of salt as necessary.  

> 2.  What about Jaha, Brew-has?  I notice they saved him for the ROY 
> competition for next season.  I say he has a helluva chance.
> 

Well, contrary to the opinion of someone who replied to one of my posts, I like
him.  The argument this person put up against him was
     a)  He is of a fairly advanced age for a "prospect" (I don't have this 
         information -- someone care to fill in?)
     b)  Most of his good numbers in the minors have been in good-to-excellent
         hitters' parks (like Mile High).  
     c)  He's been doing this for some time now, and the Br'rrs have taken
their
         sweet time with him, so they can't think _too_ much of him, given
their
         recent lack of production from the 1b-slot.

I don't know how drastic the dropoff should be from Denver to Milwaukee, and 
with Major League pitching, and all that, but Jaha's been consistently wearing
out the pitching in the leagues he's played in, so I'd be more than willing to
give him a try.  Then again, so did Phil Plantier...

Incidentally, my own 1b situation is mediocre, at best.  I've got Sorrento (a
good hitter, but will likely DH a lot), G. Davis (see Sorrento), and Greg 
Colbrunn, a converted catcher.  I'll be looking for help at that position, and
I may hope to find it in Jaha.  The other guy I'm looking at is 
                             Orestes Destrade,
who was reported recently (Sporting News) as being close to signing with Fla.  
My questions are:
	1.  How true is this?
	2.  He was huge in Japan; will that translate (a la cecil)?

Now back to our regularly scheduled program...

> 3.  How certain are we that HoJo will be a third baseman next season?  As a 
> fantasy outfielder he'd be middle of the pack, but as a 3B, don't you think 
> he'd be wunnerful wunnerful?
> 
Back at 3b, I'd guess that his production would return to something closer to 
its previous norm.  Figure on his career totals as being a rough guide.  I seem
to recall that his production dropped off when they monkeyed aroung with him at
short, as well.  Hey Mets:  Leave him be!  Oh, wait, I don't have him...Hey 
Mets:  Move him to catcher!
> 
> This net has gone a little silent lately.  Now is the time to plot our 
> strategies!

Yeah, that's what I read this for!

-Tom

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: gwittt@alleg.edu (Tom Gwitt)
Subject: Re: Wakefield
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:09:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.002339.14378@athena.mit.edu> frisch1@athena.mit.edu  
(Jonathan Katz) writes:
> Just wanted to see what the feeling is on Wakefield: is he for real or  
will the
> rest of the league catch up to him the second time around?


The kid is for real.  I saw him play in Buffalo before the Pirates called  
him up.  That knuckleball is unbelievable!!!!
--
Would the last one out please turn off the lights ...
	Tom Gwitt	gwittt@alleg.edu
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From: jmkerrig@vela.acs.oakland.edu (KERRIGAN JOHN M)
Subject: Re: help with ptp (computer version)
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:57:03 GMT

In article <92349.114519RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes:
>hey there.  i recently got ptp 4.00 (and, subsequently, the 4.03 upgrade),
>and with it, the 1991 players' disk.
>
>i noticed that, on the player's screen, it doesn't really have lefty/righty
>splits, it just has batting average vs. lefties and righties, and "power"
>versus lefties and righties. 

[stuff deleted]
>
>then i noticed, in the rulebook, the following line, talking about the
>"power" rating: "this rating is not used to determine the outcome of
>any plays, but is for information purposes only."
[stuff deleted]
>
>it's the same way for everybody.  at bats and hits vs. lefties and righties
>are correct, but doubles, triples, homers, walks, and strikeouts are
>all zero versus lefties, and, versus righties, equal to the sum of what the
>player really did against both lefties and righties.
>
>so what's the scoop? does the computer somehow know the lefty/righty splits
>anyway, or am i going to have to go through each and every player and
>change his splits?  if the second is the case, i'm going to complain my
>buttocks off to ptp.  i mean, i might as well not have got the players'
>disk.  compared to the amount of time it will take to type in everyone's
>splits... [stuff deleted]
>
>furthermore, no mention of this travesty was made in any advertisement.
>they all implied a realistic game, which, needless to say, ptp is not,
>if it thinks kevin maas hit 23 dingers against righties and none against
>lefties.
>
>so, again, what's the scoop?
>
>bob vesterman.
>
>

I don't know the scoop, as I am currently in the market for a PC baseball
game, but I am surprised by your remarks.  Most of the people who have
responded to me concerning PTP (BTW thank you all very much!) have had
good reactions to this game, although the people who responded to 
Strat-O-Matic (thanks to you also!) made a much better case for that game.

Does anyone know if Strat suffers from this same problem, or does it deal
with the lefty-righty split in a way much more similar to the way the
card and dice version handles it (i.e. there is a difference)?
-- 
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From: pab5891@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: PTP
Reply-To: pab5891@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:05:54 GMT

I've heard a bit about PTP and would like to know more about the game.  I've
been playing Earl Weaver BB for quite a few years now and ... really beginning
to hate earl weaver. :)  Anyway, how realistic is it?  Can you play computer
vs. computer?  Leagues?  yearly stats?  

Paul

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu (Dave Bonar)
Subject: Wrong Group but why not...
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-27509]: sn01.sncc.lsu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu
Organization: News and Views from LSU
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:03:54 GMT


	Since there is no group that covers the questions I want to discuss
(maybe its time to set up a rec.sports.fantasy instead of limiting this one
to just baseball) I'll ask it here.

	Is there anyone out there who knows a lot about APBA's computer
basketball game?  I'm in a league and I'd like some feedback on an interesting
stragegy that I'm thinking of using (based on experience with Strat-O-Matic
basketball).

	Since it really isn't apropriate to this group I'd like to carry the
discussion through email.

Dave 
__________
Dave Bonar
eebonar@lsuvax.sncc.lsu.edu
__________
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Brewers catching 1993
Date: 15 Dec 1992 19:53:22 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <kbanaian.109.0@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu> kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) writes:
>
>1.  How in love with Surhoff is Garner?  Does Nilsson get to play more this 
>season?  I still think Nilsson will hit for power, and with 400 ABs could be 
>the next Chris Hoiles.
   
   The organization is apparently committed to Surhoff. They feel that his
   offensive numbers will improve when he doesn't have to spend so much time
   worrying about his catching. Unless he fails miserably, Nilsson will start
   for the Brewhas all year. I don't think he'll hit for all that much power
   (maybe about 12-18 homers), but he should hit for a pretty good average.

>2.  What about Jaha, Brew-has?  I notice they saved him for the ROY 
>competition for next season.  I say he has a helluva chance.
   
   Especially now with Molly gone, I'd expect Jaha to play 1B all year,
   unless of course, he fails miserably (like Nilsson). Franklin Stubbs is
   waiting in the wings and Garner remembers him from Houston, so Stubbs
   could see action if Jaha screws up. Jaha has the potential to be a big
   power guy. He could easily hit about 20-25 (or more) homers. 

   Although both Jaha and Nilsson have put up fantastic minor league numbers,
   they'll have to prove they can do it in the pros. If either one comes
   through, Milwaukee could surprise some people again.

   --salty
Date: Monday, 14 Dec 1992 16:20:43 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: yet another bug in awful, horrible, godforsaken ewbii...

the other team has runners on first and second, no outs.  they put on
the hit and run.  the batter lines out to my third baseman.  the runners
are sliding into second and third.  the third baseman throws to my second
baseman, who steps on second to retire the lead runner.  at this point, in
real life, the second baseman tags the other runner, or throws to first
to complete the triple play.

ah, but never accuse earl weaver baseball ii of trying to imitate real
life.  the next batter comes to the plate, with two outs, and the runner
who was on first still on first.

what an awful program.  i wonder if earl weaver even looked at it.
i am disappointed that he allowed his name to be used in something so
utterly bug-ridden.

bob vesterman.
From: wall@cc.swarthmore.edu (Matthew Wall)
Subject: Re: weekly statistics during the season
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing CenterCenter
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:13:27 GMT

In article <16DEC199223412685@stdvax>, abgem@stdvax (Gary Mosier) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Dec17.011018.13612@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, alee@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Albert J Lee) writes...
> >Does anyone out there know of a ftp site or free network I can access to 
> >download weekly cummulative statistics on all Major League players during the 
> >season ???
> > 
> 
> Check with Matt Wall (wall@cc.swarthmore.edu) about this. I have 
> volunteered to help him with just such a service (sort of) starting with
> the 93 season. Matt has set up the ftp site and I'm getting together stats
> from 87-92 to serve as some history. They should be available in the near
> future.

yep, that's me. anonymous ftp to eucalyptus.cc.swarthmore.edu

we're still working on the directory listings and organizations, so bear
with us...Gary is a god for volunteering the weekly line stats.!

- matt
wall@cc.swarthmore.edu
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From: graftaas@plains.NoDak.edu (Eric Graftaas)
Subject: trade
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:37:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

What do you think of this trade?


I got:                      I traded:
Jack Morris                 Sid Fernandez   
Wally Joyner                Eric Anthoney
Phil Plantier               4th round draft choice



Your comments are appreciated.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: gwittt@alleg.edu (Tom Gwitt)
Subject: Re: Who should I pick?
Organization: Allegheny College
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:11:23 GMT

In article <10DEC199216022193@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu>  
camden@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Rany Jazayerli) writes:
> 	I recently joined a PBM strato league as an expansion team, and  
the 
> expansion draft is coming up soon.  Ten players have been protected from  
each
> team's roster, and everyone else is available for the first round.  I  
have 
> tried to narrow my first two choices to the following players:
> 
> 	(In alphabetical order:)
> 
> 	Tim Belcher
> 	Rob Dibble
> 	Mark Lewis
> 	Ramon Martinez
> 	Tino Martinez
> 	Pete Smith
> 	Ed Taubensee
> 	Jim Thome
> 
> 	The question is, in what order should I rank these guys?  Keep in  
mind
> that as an expansion team, I probably have no chance of contending for  
at least
> 3 years, so I'm not worried about next year's performance.  Any response  
would
> be appreciated.
> 
> 	Rany Jazayerli			camden@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
> 	---------------------------------------------------------
> 	Kevin Appier: 1993 Cy Young	George Brett: Cooperstown 1998
> 	David Cone: 1993 Cy Runner-Up

Go for T. Martinez ... he will be great in a couple years!!!
--
Would the last one out please turn off the lights ...
	Tom Gwitt	gwittt@alleg.edu
Xref: sparky rec.sport.baseball.fantasy:936 rec.sport.baseball:36330
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Wednesday, 16 Dec 1992 07:11:32 EST
From: <34ZBTXQ@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy,rec.sport.baseball
Subject: NEED 1991 STATS

  I need to get ahold of the 1991 stats. If anyone has the final stats that
were printed in USA TODAY or BASEBALL WEEKLY, or if anyone who subscribes to
the APBA JOURNAL might have their 1991 stat section (it would have been in the
November '91 issue) please contact me.
                            Thanks,
                             Al Shock
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Anyone know of a Fantasy League?
From: accanr@vaxa.hofstra.edu
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:17:41 EST

I am looking for a Fantasy League for the upcoming season.  I would perfer a 
league that is run via the internet because I think that is a great way to
to work out deals and other things without having to be in the same area or run
up a major phone bill.  If anybody knows of any, even if they are just in the
New York vacinity, please let me know.
			Thanks,

Adam - email: accanr@vaxc.hofstra.edu
	      accanr@hofstra.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: graftaas@plains.NoDak.edu (Eric Graftaas)
Subject: The newest Minnesota Twin
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:52:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: jmkerrig@vela.acs.oakland.edu (KERRIGAN JOHN M)
Subject: PTP vs. Strat
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:02:42 GMT

I am planning to get a new baseball game for my IBM and would like input from
anyone who has experience with these games.  I currently have Earl Weaver II
and APBA and am not happy with either one of these.  I would like to purchase
either Strat-O-Matic v4.0 or PTP.  I play both of these in the board game
version and like them both (although I do prefer PTP).  If anyone has tried
either one of these and could post here or e-mail me with your comments and
criticisms it would be appreciated.

Oh Yeah-- I am mostly interested in quality of realism (righty-lefty matchups,
          power ratings, pitcher fatique, etc.) and good support programs
          (drafting, season stats (lots of stats), trading players, etc.).

Thanks a lot,
-- 
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From: kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: NL Roto: Cubs pitching and Braves catching
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:24:36 GMT
Organization: Pitzer College

In article <1992Dec10.191248.2417197@locus.com> aardvark@locus.com (Warren Usui) writes:
>Now that the Cubs have acquired Randy Myers and lost Greg Maddux, who is
>going to be the new Cub starter?  Are they going to move up one of the
>other relief pitchers (McElroy, Scanlan), are they going to call up someone
>from the minors, or are they gonna trade for a new starter?  All rumors
>are welcome.
Well, they did get Jose Guzman to replace Maddux.  So the staff is probably 
what?  Morgan, Guzman, Castillo, Boskie, and Harkey.  I'd sooner follow a 
flatulent Armenian (like my dad) than the Cubs, but I believe that is the 
official line.  Dickson and Wendell await in the minors, but I'd think 
they'd wait on them if they could.

My advice to Rotoheads -- don't overlook Guzman in the draft.
>
>Also, what's the status of Greg Olsen?  Is he going to return by next spring?
>If not, will Berryhill be the catcher?
>
Latest Braves-Jay rumor has Randy Knorr available to the Braves for either 
Mercker or Wohlers.  Olson's injury, it appears, is more serious than 
reported.  Berryhill can't hit well enough to justify his use.

IMO, what the hell is the matter with Cabrera?  If Knorr comes over, he can 
hit.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: camden@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Rany Jazayerli)
Subject: Re: trade
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:15:00 GMT

In article <BzA1ty.K4z@ns1.nodak.edu>, graftaas@plains.NoDak.edu (Eric Graftaas) writes...
>What do you think of this trade?
> 
> 
>I got:                      I traded:
>Jack Morris                 Sid Fernandez   
>Wally Joyner                Eric Anthoney
>Phil Plantier               4th round draft choice
> 

	It's hard to evaluate the merits of this trade without knowing the kind
of league this is for.  I'm a strato player, so I'll evaluate it from that point
of view.  I assume the key of this deal for you was Plantier, and he alone 
justifies this deal.  Freed from the circus in the Red Sox outfield, and playing
in a tremendous home-run park in Jack Murphy, he should fit in right along with
Gwynn, McGriff, and Sheffield.  However, trading El Sid for ACK Morris is a 
serious blow to your pitching staff.  Sid had a fantastic year this year (as he
always does), and even with his weight problem I can see him being productive
for three or four more years.  Morris, on the other hand, was mediocre at best
this year, and likely to be worthless within two years or so.  Joyner for a
fourth-rounder seems like a decent trade-off; Joyner, at the very least, will
give you a full-time first-baseman who can hit righties somewhat, and should
rebound next year to a .280/15/80 type level (of course, I'm a Royals fan, so
you might want to take that with a grain of salt).

	Morris for Fernandez hurts, but you more than make it up with Plantier
for Anthony.  Anthony is a good, solid power hitter, but I still question his
on-base ability in the future.  So overall, I'd tip this trade in your favor,
though it's not an outright steal.  And if Plantier fails in San Diego, you're
screwed.

> 
> 
>Your comments are appreciated.

	Rany Jazayerli			camden@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
	---------------------------------------------------------
	Kevin Appier: 1993 Cy Young	George Brett: Cooperstown 1998
	David Cone: 1993 Cy Runner-Up

	Proud New Owner of the TABLL Expansion Team: Red Sea River Bandits :^)