HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: 76330.3412@CompuServe.COM ("John M. Sulak")
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: political talk shows in book with phone and fax numbers
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:05:30 GMT

A while back I asked readers to email me the call-in numbers of all
politically-oriented radio talk show in the USA, including times,
stations, networks, descriptions, and most importantly the phone-in
numbers and fax-in numbers. I got virtually no response, but read in the 
Houston Post column by Ken Hoffman last week that someone has just
published such a COMPLETE book. 

It is called _Talk Shows & Hosts on Radio_ by Annie and Donald Brewer,
'two certified "talk show addicts"'. It is published by Whiteford Press
and is available for $24.95 by calling 1-800-972-2584. It includes 2,000
talk shows with hundreds of host biographies. 

I have not seen the book, but it seens like an excellent way for
Marrou/Lord activists to plug the LP's 1-800-682-1776 information number
and to urge listeners to vote for something other than the status quo. 

Lastly, the Post acticle says: '"I'll make you a deal. If anybody buys my
book and doesn't like it, I'll refund their money 100 percent," Brewer
said.'

***
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From: diviney@milton.u.washington.edu (Pat Diviney)
Subject: Re: spelling this stuff out real clearly
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:42:24 GMT

Kent P. Dolan, Hasan B. Mutlu; any resemblance?  The meaning will be clear
to anyone that reads soc.history and various other rooms.  For those unaware,
Mr. Mutlu is a Turkish propagandist attempting to use the "big lie" technique
to convince people that the Turkish massacre of the Armenians never happened.

I wonder if Mr. Dolan has any connection to the B-CPU folks  (holocaust
revisionists)?
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: drugs
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:42:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

In <1992Sep29.022901.19661@yang.earlham.edu> allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.223732.13087@bradley.bradley.edu>, pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
>> My point in quoting them was to refute a point that K*nt attempted to
>> make about how people would inevitably slide into decay and idiocy by
>> using drugs.  I pointed out that 75% of heroin users in a 1919 study
>> *were gainfully employed*, despite Heroin's horror reputation.  That
>> does not mean that the other 25% were unemployed BECAUSE of the drug,
>> and it does not have any relevance to OTHER drugs, but he seems incapable
>> of any real logic, so I dropped it.
>	Quite. What was the proportion at that time of unemployed people? 
>As I recall, the US was in a recession around the beginnings of the 1920s. 
>In addition, were the users, given socioeconomic status _before_ using the 
>drug, more or less tending to be employed than others of that same status, 
>education, etc.?

I was quoting a quote, so I don't have any of this data.  The cite for
the information is:

Kolb, Lawrence.  _Drug Addiction: A Medical Problem_.  Springfield, ILL.:
	Charles C. Thomas, 1962.


The quote in full is:

  Job performance [ among heroin users ] is normal.  That fact has been
documented for years.  In a 1962 book Lawrence Kolb wrote,

	According to a 1919 survey, 75 per cent of addicts were
	gainfully employed, and there were many cases where victims
	were people of the highest qualities, morally and intellectually,
	and of great value to their communities....  I have observed
	a number of professional and clerical workers as well as
	laborers who worked regularly for years despite their use
	of as much as 40 grains of morphine daily.



The 1919 survey itself is not cited, but it may well be cited in the
Kolb book.  I haven't had time to cross reference the entire third of
Richard Lawrence Miller's book that is devoted to notes and references.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
     Buy you books, and buy you books, and all you do is eat the covers...
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs,alt.drugs,rec.backcountry,talk.politics.misc,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Full-Auto 22s manufactured by Drug-Crazed DEATH SQUADS in GLASGOW
Date: 26 Sep 92 11:31:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Sep26.113141.20478
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Organization: Western Washington University

jeffw@or.credence.com (Jeff Winslow) writes:

>>"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on, and walk down the street
>>with no permit of any kind: some say it's crazy.  However, 4 out of 5 US
>>murders are committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?"  
>>-  Andrew Ford

>The ones who don't realize "the other half of the country" has 80% of the
>population.

>Not literally true, but close enough to expose the trick.

>- Jeff Winslow

Not close enough.

1)  There is no set of 25 states with anywhere near 80% of the population.

2)  Even if you could assemble a set like this, it could certainly not
be done without including the open carry states that Andrew refers to.

3)  The states with the most restricive firearms laws have the highest
_per capita_ crime rate and murder rate, so their pops are irrelevent.
These restrictive laws often predate the high crime rates, showing,
to many, a causative relationship.

Followups-To directed to talk.politics.guns only.

Jim Del Vecchio
From: bverreau@netcom.com (stargazer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Action-Reaction
Summary: the worse the war, the sooner the peace
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:40:02 GMT
Organization: Nonusers for Legalization

In article <1992Sep24.193524.12249@kodak.kodak.com> you write:

> It seems that the more the WODs "pushes" people, 
> the more they will push back.  The more "hype" that is given to something
> the more that people will think about it.  The more obvious it is that
> a lot of effort is being spent on something, the more critical people 
> will be of the dubious results.

Yes, I have argued this point on several occasions.  It's also why
I dislike proposals for "decriminalization" or "medicalization".
Halfway measures relieve pressure to effect real change and leave
repressive laws on the books for future witch hunts.  Perhaps there
must be more Drug War martyrs to advance the cause.  The deaths of
four students at Kent State certainly soldified opposition to that
other war.  As Chairmain Mao wrote in one of his political essays:
"The best way to resolve conflict is by heightening contradiction."

Bernie Verreau					bverreau@netcom.COM
Netcom - Online Communication Services 		Redwood City, CA
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: NYNEX/PDFA
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:32:36 GMT

During my recent trip to Boston, I noticed that NYNEX proudly claimed
PDFA membership on the covers of their White and Yellow Pages.

Of course, I enhanced all of their drug-free statements with
appropriate swastikas and counter-statements.

Just Say Know.

---
Richard Stueven        gak@wrs.com         attmail!gakhaus!gak        107/H/3&4
          To sight it must ring clear as a bell, it must snap
          in the ear, feel pleasantly sticky between the fingers,
          smell fresh and tempting and taste heavenly.
From: frazier@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Gregory Frazier)
Subject: Re: assorted musings
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 20:25:19 GMT

Keith Lewis (lewis@aera8700.mitre.org) wrote:
: In article <1992Sep25.192319.11081@sarah.albany.edu>, km9985@sarah.albany.edu (MADIGAN KEVIN M) writes:
: 
: I doubt it.  There are berries that ferment on the plant, producing ethanol.
: Some animals (birds, in particular) are known to eat the fermented berries,
: presumably to catch a buzz.  My guess is that's the way humans started
: ingesting wine.
: 
: Are there any animals known to hang around burning hemp fields?

I don't know about that, but humans are not the only critters that
enjoy munching on coca leaves... don't recollect what PBS show I
saw that one on.

--
"They thought to use and shame me but I win out by nature, because a true
freak cannot be made.  A true freak must be born." - Geek Love

Greg Frazier	frazier@CS.UCLA.EDU	!{ucbvax,rutgers}!ucla-cs!frazier
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: assorted musings
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:23:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.192319.11081@sarah.albany.edu>, km9985@sarah.albany.edu (MADIGAN KEVIN M) writes:
>Must we point out (once again) to some of our rabid proWOSD colleagues
>that humans have been smoking and otherwise ingesting hemp for thousands
>of years? Does anyone have any stats on whether hemp use predates 
>alcohol use? My guess would be that it would, since hemp grows naturally,
>but you have to actually try to make alcoholic beverages. (My apologies
>to the newsgroup if this has already been discussed.)

I doubt it.  There are berries that ferment on the plant, producing ethanol.
Some animals (birds, in particular) are known to eat the fermented berries,
presumably to catch a buzz.  My guess is that's the way humans started
ingesting wine.

Are there any animals known to hang around burning hemp fields?

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: spelling this stuff out clearly
Date: 3 Oct 92 17:08:48 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>
>Caffeine and tobacco legalized??  It never happened, Kent.  (Sheesh!  Talk
>about having a handle by the wrong end!)  You see, tobacco and caffeine have
>never been illegal (in the US, at least).  In fact, tobacco was a major
>reason for colonization of North Americe, and it has been big (legitimate)
>business ever since.

     Not quite. Shortly after tobacco was first introduced in Europe,
it was made illegal in several nations; some even had death by torture
as punishment for tobacco. We can see how effective those tough drug laws
were!

===============================================================================
Tom Swiss/tms@cs.umd.edu  |  "Born to die"   |   Keep your laws off my brain!
     "What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?" - Nick Lowe 
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     campers you have been, and, as far as I am concerned, happy campers you
     will always be."
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                   whose capital Quayle pronounces "Pogo Pogo"
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Franklin quote
From: rfb@CS.CMU.EDU (Rick Busdiecker)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:56:16 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: rfb@H.GP.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <9209282042.AA01208@helium> dolan@nrlmry.navy.mil (Kent Paul Dolan) writes:

   Oh, absolutely. You can get rats to push a button feeding a charge into a
   wire into their brain until they die of thirst or starvation, with both
   food and water freely available.  An _excellent_ argument for the kind
   of society you propose.

In order to do so, you must first stress the rats -- go check the
research, not just the drug warriors paraphrasing.  With rats, the
most common way to raise the stress level is to impose overpopulation.
-- 
Rick Busdiecker <rfb+@cs.cmu.edu>
``Beware of programmers carrying screwdrivers''
				- Unknown
From: allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: milk drinkers
Date: 29 Sep 92 07:25:55 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <9209251928.AA00347@helium>, dolan@nrlmry.navy.mil (Kent Paul Dolan) writes:
> There is a disproportional representation, compared to the
> proportion in the population, of former or current marijuana
> users among "hard" illegal substance users.

	Yes, as one would expect. The attitude- of not following laws just 
because they are laws- is the same in both cases. Other factors- such as a 
common subculture- are the same or similar in both cases. Try remembering 
that thing in statistics and in scientific studies called eliminating 
other correlations (I'm too sleepy to remember the proper name) that may 
be influencing the matter; removing confounding factors. In other words, does
marijuana usage in and of itself tend to result in "hard" substance usage, 
with all other influences being the same? I don't know of any studies 
showing the latter, as opposed to showing what you're claiming.  
	-Allen
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: Re: drug proponent illiteracy as a measure of drug use effects
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 08:28:51 GMT

In article <9209252125.AA00432@helium> dolan@nrlmry.navy.mil (Kent Paul Dolan) writes:
>Not really, I said rapists are substance influenced out of all proportion
>to the general incidence of substance impairment in the population, and
>therefore that drug use is probably a contributing factor.

What substances do you think are doing this "influencing"?
If you would like to argue that the drug responsible for the greatest
number of rapes is other than ethanol, be my guest.  And
good luck to you...

Or did you want to have another go at Prohibition?  If so, I
at least admire your consistency.

>Kent, the man from xanth.

   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: An ex-President's thoughts on prohibiting a drug
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:23:36 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

76330.3412@CompuServe.COM ("John M. Sulak") writes:

>The current Democratic nominee says he smoked marijuana in college, but
>did not inhale. One of my favorite commedians says he drank beer in
>college, but never swallowed. 

I shot heroin in prison, but I never untied my arm.
From: Ben Masel <bmasel@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Date: 01 Oct 92 18:34 PDT
Subject: HEMPing CLINTON/GORE in Madison
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1484000056:000:939
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!bmasel    Oct  1 18:34:00 1992


We took a hemp parade to the Clinton/Gore appearance at the
Wisconsin State Capitol today. Handed out almost 1,000 copies of
the flyer I posted to this group yesterday. Lots of signs. Thom
put "HEMP for VICTORY" in clinton's face before he left. "1 ACRE
OF HEMP = 20 BARRELS OF OIL" on local ABC & CBS stations. Watch
for it tonite on the National? One reporter told me there had been
a HEMP presence at about half the appearances since the Democrat
Convention. Mentioned a town meeting in Virginia where Gore
answered a hemp question "We're against drugs." I had a tangle
with Secret Service agents who told me i could'nt stand by
enterance to one of the press busses handing out leaflets. He said
"We own the streets." "I pay taxes here. I'm exercising my First
Amendment Rights!" His partner grabbed my ponytail, tried to throw
me to the ground. Shook him off. Madison police intervened, let me
continue leafleting til bus left.  Whew.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: the eugenic approach
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:31:57 GMT

   In article <9209252225.AA00544@helium>, dolan@nrlmry.navy.mil (Kent Paul Dolan) writes:
   [stuff deleted]
   > 
   > Until the eugenic approach is combined, legally and enforceably, with
   > the denial of government largesse approach, I'm promoting the current
   > situation as far CHEAPER and much LESS DISRUPTIVE of "personal
   > liberties: than letting 25% of society toke themselves unemployable and
   > non-functional with free or cheap access to drugs in bulk, and then the
   > rest of us being indentured for life to pay their upkeep until old age
   > carries them off.
   > 
   > And that 25% is probably an UNDERestimate.

Oh, really.  Well, our society has cheap access to the drug ETHANOL,
and ethanol hasn't made 25% of society unemployable.  Get a clue.  You
keep spouting this 25% figure as if it was in the realm of
possibility, which it isn't.  Ethanol has cost our society in the form
of raised insurance rates, and higher medical insurance rates.  But I
would hardly say we are indentured because of ethanol abusers.  And
ethanol is a far, far more dangerous drug than cannabis.

In previous posts, you have also spoken of rapists becoming braver
from toking.  You are quite confused.  It is ETHANOL that makes people
lose their inhibitions, not cannabis.  On the contarary, cannabis has
been shown to make people more paranoid.  This hardly bolsters ones
confidence to go out and rape.

I'm sure you'll have one of your tired old responses about how drugs
have ruined my thinking on this because I have a different opinion
than yours.  But I'm really just another one of many, many
clear-thinking Americans that believes that prohibition doesn't, hasn't
and won't ever work.

 -Alan Harder
Xref: sparky talk.politics.drugs:6502 talk.politics.misc:48513 misc.legal:17836
From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Baldur von Shirach, call home
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 13:39:07 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>        Court documents show that the boy and other pupils attending an 
>anti-drug seminar at Douglas County Elementary School in January 1991 were 
>told that if they ever saw drugs, they should immediately call police 
>because people who use drugs need help.  According to legal briefs, the 
>students were not told the consequences: that police could become involved
>and that people could end up in jail.
>
>        According to the tape-recording of the 911 call, the boy told police 
>that he wanted them to come get the drugs and help him get his parents to 
>seek help.
>
>        "Up until they handcuffed me and his mother, Darren had no idea what 
>he had done," Davis said.  "I always told him to do what he was told in 
>school and that's all he did.  I told him what he did was OK.  I made sure 
>he knew what he had done was not bad."

Funny how everybody nowadays complains about how our socialist educational
Trabbie factories fail to teach literacy, numeracy, etc.  And they are
indeed failures if you assume this to be their purpose.  But if you
evaluate their performance against the Progressive goal of indoctrinating
everyone to love Big Brother, they have been a rousing success.

"My parents went to President Clinton's boot camp and all I got was this
dumb shirt."


    Alan T. Furman         | VOTE LIBERTARIAN!!  Marrou/Lord in 92!!
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  atfurman@cup.portal.sig  |   (800)682-1776 for more information
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
From: garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR)
Subject: Calif. Forfeiture laws
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: 
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
Distribution: usa
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:50:31 GMT

	Does anyone know if California has forfeiture laws
similar to many of the other states? I'm pretty sure they do, 
but I would like to check to make sure. Also, if you have any
stories, examples, anything relevant, please email me them.
	The reason I ask is that I'm an intern at a local 
newspaper and I have a chance to right up a story about it.
Any stories about cases in San Francisco would be greatly
welcomed.
	One catch though, It must have a California angle.
thanks in advance.

-garrett 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
From: allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs,alt.individualism
Subject: Re: [FWd] Products to be banned by the FDA
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:32:44 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Oct4.203928.11368@netcom.com>, adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams) writes:
> Thus spake atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman): 
>>VOTE LIBERTARIAN!!  Marrou/Lord in 92!!
> 
> 	Sure. Throw away a few percent of the votes on Marrou (who, despite
> excellent qualifications has no chance whatever of winning), throw a few
> more percent of the votes on Parot and his fascist VP, and pretty soon the
> Bush opposition will be so splintered that he'll be re-elected by a
> minority!
> 
> 	Clinton is =far= from a treasure, but he's a mile ahead of Bush. Why
> not use your vote to get Bush out of office instead of wasting it. Vote for
> minority party candidates of other offices - but if you don't want Bush
> re-elected then vote Clinton for president.
> 
	As has been pointed out before, this attitude is one major reason 
the LP _doesn't_ have a real chance of winning this year. If you want the 
evil choice (whether it be the lesser or the greater of two evils), then 
vote for it. If you want something better, vote Marrou/Lord.
	-Allen
From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Calif. Forfeiture laws
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 92 00:30:34 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
  <1992Oct1.053657.29693@genie.slhs.udel.edu>

Someone has told me by e-mail that Lungren is a Republican.  If this is
indeed the case, all I can say is: "Oops."


(Well, actually, I can say one more thing: "<expletive deleted> Republicans!")


    Alan T. Furman         | VOTE LIBERTARIAN!!  Marrou/Lord in 92!!
---------------------------+----------------------------------------
  atfurman@cup.portal.sig  |   (800)682-1776 for more information
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)
Subject: Re: More NYNEX
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:38:44 GMT

In article <9209282154.AA15310@vesta.physics.uiowa.edu> grd@VESTA.PHYSICS.UIOWA.EDU (Grant Denn) writes:
}
}AND SPEAKING of Useless Repubs, Our leader grande GHWB was heard on my
}clock radio on NPR a few minutes ago saying something like "Criminals should
}Go To Jail, Stay In Jail, and Rot In Jail".   With his narrow-minded definition
}of the world "Criminal", I expect 40% (-a statistic I made up) of our populace
}soon to be incarcerated.  YUM!
}
}Rot in Hell, George
}
}Grant

We already have the highest per capita prison population in the world, exceeding
South Africa and the Soviet Union (back when it remained in existence).


Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly
starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu

"True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten
oneself and others." - Voltaire
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: drugs
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:07:16 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <9209282222.AA01304@helium> dolan@nrlmry.navy.mil (Kent Paul Dolan) writes:
>
>The quoted "scientific evidence" was not original research, it was a
>"review of published research".  In case you haven't been paying attention,
>80-90% of all published research is utter BS, published for the sake of
>publishing in a publish or perish universe, research done by those who
>don't understand proper research methods, can't do the math, and are
>peer reviewed by equally unqualified dottards.

    Speak for your own field.  You do not possess the expertise to issue
such a blanket condemnation of "all published research".

-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ.