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From: cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham)
Subject: Re: 10-year-old ostracized at school
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine
Distribution: na
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:09:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.164604.1@stsci.edu> mryan@stsci.edu writes:

>My 10-year-old son Eddie, who has always had trouble making friends, is now 
>being actively ostracized by the other 5th-graders.  For example, when he 
>sits down at a lunch table with other kids, they all get up and move to 
>another table.  No one is overtly picking a fight with him, but they are 
>excluding him from all activities at recess and lunchtime.

>Eddie said that one boy in his class plays with him every day at his
>after school daycare, but shuns him at school.  I told him to ask this boy
>why.  The boy's answer was, that he doesn't talk to Eddie at school because
>if he did "then Danny won't like me."  Danny seems to be the popular kid,
>admired by all the other kids, and I know he has called Eddie a "wimp".
>I don't know how actively Danny is orchestrating the ostracism.

>Eddie's personality seems to be the reason other kids don't like him.
>He is shy and feels wounded when somebody teases him, and withdraws.
>But this situation, since school started in September, is really bad
>and I don't know what to do.  I called his teacher yesterday and asked
>him to observe what is going on.  I asked Eddie if he wanted me to get
>him switched to a different class, but he said no.

>Advice from those who have been in a similar situation is appreciated.

>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Mary Ryan                      mryan@stsci.edu
>Space Telescope Science Institute
>Baltimore, Maryland

The October 1992 issue of Parenting Magazine has an article titled "Misfit
Kids" by Susan Perry that you might want to read.  If you can't find it, the 
author cites the book, "Helping the Child Who Doesn't Fit In" by Stephen 
Nowicki, Jr.,Ph.D., and Marshall P. Duke, Ph.D..  The article states that "
the reason many children are rejected socially is that they have problems
using nonverbal communication".  According to Perry, "Psychologists are
learning...that it's possible to help children who, for whatever reason,
don't fit in.  As with any learning disability, early intervention prevents
more serious problems later."

I hope this helps.

- Cindy Windham
From: evelyn@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Evelyn James)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Summery Too Many Nos at Daycare
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:05:05 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA


Most thought that it was OK to have different rules for daycare and home.
After all school will have different rules than home.
Most thought that positive feedback was VERY important to young children.
There were some great ideas about using 2 (or 5) yes's for every no as in
"no you can't X but you can Y or Z" also "Pleas put you feet on the floor"
instead of "get your feet off the couch".

Some were concerned that she was spanking my child... if I had any idea I
would not have him there.

Others were concerded that I never said No, but we do have limits at home.
No hitting, no tearing books no getting into tree in living room. 

I spoke to her about the problem and she said "that's a good idea I think
I'll try it" but I have yet to see anything.

I am currently looking for another daycare.


Does anyone have the discussion on the pros and cons of home daycare vs
daycare centers? Is is too much to expect that a home daycare provider 
has done some reading or taken classes in early childhood development?

Thanks to all who responded, it's really helped me realize how important
this is to me and how much is was bothering me.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory)
Subject: Re: Dr.Spock and the Milk Controversy
Keywords: Spock, Milk
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:37:46 GMT

In article <1ai5o2INNn0g@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
>Of course, no one would drink milk if she found that avoiding milk 
>prevented the trauma of having a colicky baby. I think everyone with 
>a colicky baby should try avoiding dairy products for at least one week,
>just as a test, just in case this is a cure, but of course many (most?) 
>cases of colic have nothing to do with dairy products.

Last year, I think, Diane Lin typed in an article from the paper (I'm
not able to lay hands on it this instant), quoting a study
that showed 75% of colicky breastfed babies were cured by
removing cows milk from the mother's diet. I've seen a similar
success rate in LLL members, friends, netters, (and me too) who
dropped milk while nursing. I know it sounds rather fringeish of
me, but I believe many or most colic cases have everything to do
with dairy products. 

I know that some fussiness cures itself with time. I also know that
when I had milk again, about 6 hours later Beth would revert to all
her old fussiness. We had challenge and response twice, and sure
didn't try it a third time.

Kate
From: sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: When did you feel "grown-up"  (was: Re: maternity lingerie)
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:33:04 GMT
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

>In article <1992Oct2.180749.29872@alw.nih.gov> paula@helix.nih.gov (Paula Moore) writes:
>>
>>Anyone else have these "I guess this means I'm a "grown-up" " experiences?
>>

  I had a range of such experiences, but the "defining moment" for me, both
for "grown-up" and for "I'm a parent now" came when I first signed my
name to a form on the "Parent or Guardian" line!  It really knocked me
back; don't know why.
  For my husband and I, we knew we'd settled into being a couple when we
found ourselves at Sears on a Friday night, looking at routers, instead of
at the movies!  Two kids, and 9 years later, Sears looks really racy -- now
Friday nights means one of us at the grocery store and the other home with
the kids.
 
					Susanne Gilliam
 
P.S.  And even worse than that, we LIKE getting the grocery shopping done
on Friday night; it makes the whole weekend so much easier and more fun.
 


Xref: sparky misc.kids:25518 sci.med:18767 misc.education:3638
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med,misc.education
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:37:59 GMT
Organization: On the Brew.

In referenced article, mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline) writes:
>I am not sure what side effects of Ritalin you fear. 
>The medication is generally well tolerated, requiring much
>less lifestyle adjustment than you have put in place for
>behavioral management.   I would point out that the your
>"refusal" to try Ritalin for this child may have serious 
>side effects; which might include life long stigmatization,
>academic underachievement, low self esteem, etc etc. 
>etc.

Thanks Mark, for your rational, caring, information filled responses.

What a contrast to those that only convey derision and contempt.
-- 
Ray Dunn at home        |  Beaconsfield, Quebec  |  Phone: (514) 630 3749
ray@philmtl.philips.ca  |  dunn@cam.org          |  uunet!sobeco!philmtl!ray
From: bl213@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. C. Kelly)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Rubbing backs to put children to sleep
Date: 9 Oct 1992 05:05:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Re: 4 year old daughter's class went down for their naps without
having their backs rubbed...
  
There are daycares/pre-schools who actually require 4 year olds
to take naps?  That *must* be a challenge, since kids that age
have so often outgrown the need for naps long ago.  My guess is
it the teachers who need naps and therefore ask the pre-schoolers
to do the same.
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:18:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.223842.5451@jetsun.weitek.COM> nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.130304.19446@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>> 
>> Diane, idealism is all fine and good BUT it fades fast when
>>the other elementary school kids find out your kid won't fight back.
>>He's going to encounter confrontations ten fold.
>> At some point a man has to do what a man has to do.
>> Eventually your son will being fighting for his slice of the pie
>>in life and you are not going to be there.
>
>Ditto for little girls. My father taught me to box when I was very small.
>I was undersized for my age, and a fifth grade bully started to bother me
>in early second grade. One day he grabbed for me and I hit him hard in the
>stomach, twice. He never bothered me again, but the school was angry with
>ME! :-)
> 
>
>-- 
>The Earth Pig Bourne....

Good for you.
As has been pointed out to me on email the first time 22month old
Dylan comes home with a bloody nose he'll be in karate the next day. 

 Now Andy lets hear your diatribe about how Nadja is a macho women hater
who has arrested the development of man/womankind.
                                    ^-- Thats for you Andy, your so sensitive.
 
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From: bigstar@stein.u.washington.edu (J. Paschel)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Help needed on tattletales :0)
Keywords: tattletales
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:34:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct13.023428.15545
Organization: University of Washington



I am a graduate student in Sociology at the University of Washington.  As
part of a seminar on methodological problems related to the study of
Deviance, we are attempting to come up with a plan for studying juvenile
tattletales.  This is one segment of a broader proposal to study all types
of snitches, from corporate whistle blowers, to honor code upholders, to
kindergarten tattletales. ...Yes, we are getting many millions of your tax
dollars to sit around and think of such issues :)

I am choosing to define juvenile tattle-tales as those children between
roughly the ages of 4 to 8 who seem to display a pattern of tattletale
behavior.  By "tattletale behavior" I mean repeated warnings or pleas to
an adult that another young child has done something "wrong". 

What I am interested in is any information which you feel might be of
interest.  Such info may include (but is not limited to) the following: 

- Citations of possible references in any of the pertinent literatures to
  this topic. 

- First hand accounts of your experiences with juvenile tattletales.

- Your thoughts, feelings, or insights on possible origins of this behavior.  

- Anything else you feel appropriate.

If desired, I will certainly post a summary of whatever info I get.  If
you have any advice, suggestions, or comments, please feel free to e-mail. 
Please direct all correspondence to: 

		bigstar@stein.u.washington.edu

Thank you for your time, attention, thoughts, and comments.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ksouth@iguana.dsd.es.com (Kerri South)
Subject: Re: corr. between overdue/c-sec.
Reply-To: ksouth@dsd.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 22:14:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.191957.15826@u.washington.edu>, lcheap@cac.washington.edu (Laurel Cheap ) writes:
> In article <1992Oct15.180534.9861@schbbs.mot.com> EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary Beth Northrup) writes:
> >
> >Does my explanation make sense? How often do post-term pregnancies (meaning
> >1-2 wks post due date) end up with C-sections? If (when) I get pregnant again
> >is it likely for me to be overdue again?
> 
> I don't know any of the statistics, but that's what happened to me.
> (cervical gel to induce, contractions start, heart rate dropped,
> c-section).  Like you, I'm interested to know if this will be more
> likely to occur the next time around.  Anyone else?
> 
> -Laurel
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Laurel Cheap           University of Washington   lcheap@u.washington.edu
> Information Systems    Seattle, Washington  USA   a.k.a. Brendan's mommy
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------

If more babies are naturally born post-term than pre-term, might we question
the way "due dates" are calculated?? What's so magical about 280 days from
Last Menstrual Period anyway?? I'm just wondering. Women have many different
menstrual cycle lengths, ovulation can occur at many different times with
respect to LMP. What if I lie about my LMP date so that my due date will
be set, say, 1/2 week later than it would normally be? Than I wouldn't be
induced so soon. I was talking to some midwives about induction in over-due
cases. They are required to induct 2 weeks post-due regardless of lack of
signs of fetal distress. Is this an AMA guideline? They could be sued 
otherwise? Is this a federal law? What? I am very impressed that these
midwives start working with the mother even before due date to kind of
stimulate the onset of labor. They massage the cervix or something like that.
They encourage the mother to have lots of intercourse, since that 
encourages the onset of labor (my husband likes that prospect!) 

Also, what about inducing post-term mothers makes it more likely their
babies' heart rates will drop thus leading to C-section?? Is it the case
that older placenta babies can't handle the strain of labor? Can this pre-
dicted by tests every couple days once the baby is post-due? If the placenta
is to blame, the labors should be induced sooner, so that the baby could
be born vaginally and not by c-section. If the culprit is really the induction
itself, than why not wait till the mother begins labor naturally?

BY the way, nipple stimulation encourages labor progression. How many OBs
out there have the mother try nipple stimulation instead of pitocin when
a labor fails to progress???

Just curious and a bit confused.

-- 
Kerri South, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Design Systems Division, P.O. Box 8070, 
Salt Lake City, Utah 84108        (801) 582-5847 
INET: ksouth@dsd.es.com
From: mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: HYPOCRISY of Public School Prayer
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:09:28 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire



                       HYPOCRISY of Public School Prayer

               Bush, Reagan, and a LOT of SELF-RIGHTEOUS fundamentalist 
          "Christians" want to RE-IMPOSE prayer into the public 
          schools, as well as in certain government ceremonies, etc.. 

               But what did Jesus Christ HIMSELF say about people who 
          pray in public?  In Matthew 6:5 he called them HYPOCRITES!  
          
               He said in the next verse that people should pray 
          SILENTLY IN THEIR CLOSETS, in other words, IN PRIVATE.  (Or 
          if in public, they should do it IN THEIR HEADS, withOUT the 
          SHOWY bowed head and folded hands.) 

               Parents who want their kids to openly and verbally pray 
          in school can send them to PAROCHIAL schools, as well as to 
          Sunday school, withOUT forcing it on others. 



               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this 
          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. 


                                   Robert E. McElwaine


Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.legal
From: brunner@telebit.com (Eric Brunner)
Subject: Re: Attractive Nuisance (was: East Bay Regional Parks/dog
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 07:38:47 GMT

In article <9deD02fM25Ep01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll) writes:
>References: <1992Oct12.165439.25404@adobe.com>
>Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
>Followup-To: 
>Distribution: world
>Organization: Amdahl Corporation
>Keywords: 
>
>In article <1992Oct12.165439.25404@adobe.com>, pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) 
>writes:
>> In article <3eOn02ls25Ex01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com 
>> (Terry Carroll) writes:

[in reply to Phil's note, omitted.]

>If the child is incapable of comprehending the dangers, I consider that poor 
>parenting, regardless of the state of the law or how widespread the practice 
>is.

And then there was the case of the kid who trespassed, found a hidden
pond not visible from the property boundaries, which was poisoned, and
came to grief, or the scores who got too close to oil tanks or alcohol
barrels, like inside them, without taking canaries with them. Don't
get to focused on the obvious, we parents have to hope we cover the
likely hazards and general principals, but there are some nifty ways
to get hurt at the neighbors... 

I posted days ago the hypothetical toxic rad-waste neighbor sceanario
for a reason, not mearly to rebut the presumption that if your neighbor
wants to make serious bucks storing such seasonings, that you should,
as a matter of course, offer to pay for the relocation of tons of dreck
to the nearest salt dome, but to point out that some hazards are more
difficult to comprehend than others.

If you would care to continue this in m.l, and not m.k, I'm sure the
remaining non-[k,K] key using parents would be grateful.


-- 
Eric Brunner Tule Network Services
uucp: uunet!practic!brunner
trying to understand multiprocessing is like having bees live inside your head.
From: babcock@manticore.Eng.Sun.COM (Gigi Babcock, Mgr IBM Connectivity)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: sex selection
Date: 12 Oct 92 02:52:42 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: manticore

A friend of mine would like to increase her odds of
having a girl (please no flames regarding sex selection).
Any ideas on things that work? She has heard of something
called sperm spinning which supposedly seperates the sperm
into those more likely to make girls from boys based on
how fast the sperm swim. Has anyone ever done this? Any
recommendations for doctors in the San Francisco bay area
that do this? Thanks.

-- gigi

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Sun Microsystems, 2550 Garcia, Mailstop MTV14-204, Mt. View, CA 94043
From: vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Toddler furniture
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:49:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GTEL

We have the small Little Tikes picnic table and like it alot.  Matthew got 
it for his first birthday.  He eats a lot of meals and snacks there.  
Sometime plays on it, but he's not quite to that stage yet.  I like it 
because it doesn't have separate chairs that can be tripped over or 
dragged somewhere to climb up on something else.  We have enough other 
things like that!!  He took to it right away and likes it because it is 
his own special table that is just his size.

Vanessa R. Stern
vrs0@bunny.gte.com
From: slg@slgsun.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Meconium, cord, etc.
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:29:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Oct16.162946.1417
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Columbus, Ohio

In article <1992Oct15.191053.6405@das.harvard.edu> chen@speed.uucp (Lilei Chen) writes:
>I am currently in the 39th week of my first pregnancy and have been
>[...]
>My baby has been very active.  Is there any way I can be
>sure before I go into labor that he is not wrapped around by his cord?
>Since he is still squirming a lot and has a good heart rate, can I 
>assume that he hasn't passed meconium?  If his neck is wrapped by the
>cord, can he be hurt by contractions?  Is there any way to make sure
>nothing bad has happened?
>
>A worried mom-to-be
>Lilei Chen 

I can't help on the meconium issue, but about the cord...`

My wife and I are planning a home birth, and so have talked to
people about this, as well as had it covered in our birth class.

The cord wrapped around the child's neck is, in most cases, nothing
to worry about.  Even if it is wrapped more than once.  When the
childs head appears, the mother is told to stop pushing, and the
midwife [doctor, birth attendant, hustband, etc.] feels the baby's
neck to see if the cord is there.  If it is, then that person will
gently try to slip it over the child's head or, if that isn't
possible, to move it in such a way that the child can progress without
problems.

In a worst case scenario, the cord would have to be cut so that the
baby could progress -- and in that case the baby *must* be delivered
very quickly.  But that's worst case, and is pretty unlikely.

Now another case, which is more worrysome is when the cord is "prolapsed".
This means that the cord has descended before the baby.  If the mother
then tries to push the baby out, the cord is constricted and the baby
can no longer get the oxegen s/he needs.  If a cord is prolapsed, you
need attention from a doctor immediately.  (In the case of a home
birth, you transfer to the hospital *now*.)

So, the basic answer is no, you really can't do anything to prevent it,
but on the other hand, it really isn't that big of a deal.  (In most
cases.)

Sean.

---
Sean L. Gilley
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From: miller@b-mrda.ca.boeing.com (Mark Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Odd Sayings...
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:17:56 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplanes MR&D

sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam) entertains us with:

>   My 5 year old son was at the dinner table when I found it necessary to
> say "Clint, don't wipe your nose with your feet"!  What on earth motivates
> them to do this stuff?
 
[ more parent-unique stuff deleted for brevity... ]

	Don't know what motivates them, but I would write them down. That way,
you can get more laughs out of it by presenting the list as a gift to
your childrens' fiancee... ;}


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From: rc@depsych.Gwinnett.COM (Richard Carlson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Aggression in boys (Was: Re: BARBIE
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:53:50 GMT

atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik) writes:

> In article 1427100037@igc.apc.org, lgsax@igc.apc.org (Lynn Gazis-Sax) writes:
> >
> >Girls *do* get attacked on school playgrounds often
> >enough.  I personally was attacked from first through
> >eighth grade.  I fought back every time, and made
> >sure no blow went unreturned, but my attackers both
> >outweighed me (I had skipped a grade) and outnumbered
> >me.
> >
> >Lynn Gazis-Sax
> 
> 
> Boys get abused by girls, too. At least I did.
> I did the Ghandi thing because I would have been in trouble for
> picking fights with girls. I hope the sexual equality movement
> has changed that. 

Is that the real reason?  _Could_ you have licked the girl if you
had tried?  Prior to puberty there are a lot of girls who are
physically stronger than a lot of boys.  I used to get beat up
every day by a girl when I was 9.  If I had thought I had a chance
I think I would have taken her on.

Or maybe it's better for your mental health if you remember it
your way, whether it happened that way or not.

--
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