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From: tomevans@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: RTP Golf Courses?
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:13:03 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In  <1992Apr13.184250.1986@ccs.QueensU.CA>  drew@rakoth.ic.cmc.ca (Andrew Scott) writes:
> Does anyone have any suggestions for good courses near
> Research Triangle Park, NC?
>
> thanks,
> pds
Duke University - Durham        It's a Robert Trent Jones course
Finley (Univeristy of North Carolina) - Chapel Hill
Devils Ridge - Willow Springs
Wake Forest CC - Wake Forest  (1st hole is 700 yd par 5)
And if you want to go through a sales pitch, you can arrange
a time at Governors club (Private, Jack Nicklaus)
Tom
From: neal@atmos.washington.edu (Neal Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Slow play by the pros
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:47:45 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Washington

In article <1992Apr13.122056@kristyna.Prime.COM> dks@kristyna.Prime.COM (Dave Snay) writes:


>   Is it me, or should Fred Couples and Craig Parry have been encouraged
>   to speed up thier play? When they were playing 16, Ray Floyd was finishing
>  18. For a twosome to take over 2 hours to play 9 holes is just amazing.

I was a little surprised that Gary McCord didn't make a comment about
this.  Maybe he has been "Master"-ized.  (Nothing negative allowed in
the coverage)

Fred definitely was driving poorly on the last 9 and this would have
cost him at least 2 strokes in U.S. Open rough.  Nicklaus hits it high
also and has a fair record at Pebble!  Maybe 'zinger or Stewart will
have the pieces together come Open time.

The guy who picked Parry in his pre-tournament list is to be commended.





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From: dbd@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.b.delorme)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Beginner's clubs
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:51:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

There's been a lot of talk lately about the clubs the pros
use.  But I'd like to see some discussion on clubs that beginners
should use - particularly ladies.  

My wife has expressed a slight interest in learning golf.  So, I've
been looking for a good beginner's set for her.  I can't really see
paying $300.00 or more for a set since my wife has never played before
and may not even like the game.  However, I would like to get her a
set that would be good to learn with.

I went to Herman's and found a set of Northwesterns.  The beginner's
seven piece set was priced at $125 and the full set around $200.
That seemed like a good price, but I have never heard anything about 
the clubs.  Does anybody know anything about these clubs?  Anything
good?  Anything bad?  Are there any other good ladies beginner's clubs
people could recommend?  What does one look for in ladies clubs 
as opposed to men's clubs?

David DeLorme
AT&T Bell Labs
614 860-2019
From: rcw@crosfield.co.uk (bob wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Slow play by the pros
Date: 15 Apr 92 09:58:49 GMT
Reply-To: rcw@crosfield.co.uk (bob wilson)
Followup-To: rec.sport.golf
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.

In article <fragante.703277760@chilko.ucs.ubc.ca> fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante) writes:
!>
!>Well, I would think it would be a penalty outright the fact that he stroked the
!>other ball with his club. It's like saying that he took a practice *shot* (and
!>not just a swing) whether intentionally or not. My Dad lost a tournament this
!>way when, after making his last and winning putt on the 18th hole, he went to
!>the fringe of the green to practice a few more putts while waiting for his 
!>challenger to finish his own last putt. And while my Dad won the tournament by a stroke, the
!>challenger threw the rule book at him for that practice stroke which was
!>considered a penalty.
!>
!>Is this ruling correct or wrong ?	

	Your dad should have wrapped his putter round the challengers
earhole. Once you have holed out on a hole it is legal to subsequently practice
putt or chip to that green, how many times have you seen a pro
replaying his just missed four footer after he holes out.

Bob.
From: ccastmm@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Marler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: PGA & Couples stats
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:31:38 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <45426@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> eisenman@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Frank Eisenman) writes:
>
>Most PGA Tournament Wins By Year
>--------------------------------

How many did Hubert Green win the year he won so many in a row?


-- 
Mike Marler                        |
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Disclaimer: These views are not and should not be viewed as those of OIT.
From: twinpks@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Freddy Couples)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: CRAP GOLF
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:19:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


/In article <1992Apr9.154609.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>,
/clg265@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
/>GOLF IS THE MOST CRAP GAME INVENTED.IT IS FOR MIDDLE CLASS FAGS WHO LIKE TO
/
/Should we?
/Naw, it would be too easy.
/Joe

WAY too easy.  Not worth it either . . .

twinpks@mentor "Fire, golf with me . . ."
From: bhoughto@hopi.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Wanted Lynx 3 Iron
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:03:22 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp, Chandler, AZ

In article <1992Apr3.161029.24819@usl.edu> les2097@usl.edu (Scheuermann Lawrence E) writes:
>I would like to buy a Lynx 3 Iron, USA Monogram, stainless
>steel.  I lost mine in a water hazzard!  Please give me buz.

Go to the manager of the course.  Tell him what happened.
Ask him if next time they clean that pond/stream/ocean of
balls would they be kind enough to retrieve the club for
you.  They'll definitely retrieve the club, but unless you
ask for it back they'll try to sell it.

				--Blair
				  "This must be a real problem
				   at Pebble Beach...unless you
				   have friends in Hawaii..."
From: javery@bnr.ca (Joel Avery)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: cavity back irons
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:05:47 GMT
Reply-To: javery@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

In article <92099.083808DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
|> Iron Byron does make off center shots. I failed to make that clear in an
|> earlier posting. The testing I refered to involved forged blades and cavity
|> back cast irons. Iron Byron was set up for miss hits, a low hit on the heel, a
|> high hit off the toe, etc. The results were that cavity back, game improvement
|> clubs made no significant difference. Bad off center hits produced bad result
|> regardless of the club. The concept of forgiving cavity back irons is a myth.
|> The only way that cavity back irons make a difference is that the myth may
|> give a golfer confidence, thus enabling the golfer to make a better swing. The
|> physics of cavity back irons make no significant difference, significant
|> is the key word.I will search for the reference to the testing so you all can
|> see for yourselves.

Well, Iron Byron must have a tighter grip on the club than I usually have.
Last season I made the switch to perimeter weighted irons (which I believe are
the same things as cavity backed irons).  I found that when I hit the ball
off center with my new irons, the club did not twist as much in my hands,
which resulted in the ball not quite going where I wanted it to, but not 
going where I didn't want it to (the water).  Hmm, maybe I should rephrase
that - the ball went more towards the target than it did with my old clubs.
Now, I can think of alot of things that might have caused this:  more 
expensive clubs, better grips, perimeter weighting, and maybe even that I 
got better at the game.  Fact is, I golf better with my new clubs.  

When I was buying the clubs, the salesman mentioned that if I was a real
good golfer, and hit the ball perfectly all of the time, perimeter weighting
would actually take some distance off of my game, and this is because less
weight is directly behind the ball.  So, this style of clubs is not for 
everyone, and perhaps you and Iron Byron cannot take advantage of them.
I wish that I was that good.
From: tkorho@cs.joensuu.fi (Tommi Korhonen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: CRAP GOLF
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:47:18 GMT
Organization: University of Joensuu

billodo@cyclone (Bill O'Donnell) writes:


>clg265@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>: GOLF IS THE MOST CRAP GAME INVENTED.IT IS FOR MIDDLE CLASS FAGS WHO LIKE TO
>: WEAR PRINGLE JUMPERS

>What the hell is a PRINGLE JUMPER, some kind of potatoe chip?

Perhaps it has something to do with forgotten terminal...
(Or it could be just an asshole, but I believe not)
-- 


 T.Korhonen               -->  Go  ahead!  Make  my  Flame!  <--
student of physics    
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: bohdan.kiszczuk@rose.com (bohdan kiszczuk)
Subject: Backspin Out Of Sand
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:51:48 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.2)


Date Entered: 04-15-92 14:35

B(> Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
B(> From: brad@meaddata.com (Brad Craig)
B(> Subject: Re: Backspin Out Of Sand
 
B(> In article <703086242.F00001@tdkt.kksys.com>, David.Moore@f31.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (David Moore) writes:
B(> |> 
B(> |> How does one get BACKSPIN on a ball that is exploded out of  a  sand
B(> |> trap?  You can see the pros do it, but HOW?  My understanding of the
B(> |> basic sand trap explosion shot is the old "hit two inches behind the
B(> |> ball  and  let the sand push the ball out".  This means the clubface
B(> |> grooves never touch the ball to impart backspin.  What am I  missing
B(> |> here????
B(> |> 
B(> 
B(> I don't know the exact answer to your question, and I would also like
B(> to know how to get more spin.  I was curious about a shot the Fred Couples,
B(> "Masters Champion" '92 (has a nice ring to it!), hit from a bunker.
B(> The exact hole escapes me.  It was on Friday or Saturday. I didn't see
B(> it live, only on replay.  Anyway, Freddy holed the shot, and he was in
B(> the middle front of the bunker and only had a few feet of green
B(> between himself and the pin. When he hit the shot he let go of the club
B(> with his right hand, and his follow through was with the left hand
B(> only on the club. The announcers said something about that but I
B(> didn't quite catch what they were talking about, since it wasn't live.
B(> Does anyone know if this was intentional? Was it to get more spin on
B(> the ball?  Curious minds wnat to know.


           When he let go the club with his right hand it was on 
purpose. If you want to spin it you have to slide yhe club "under" the 
ball. You do this by opening the face (increasing the loft) and 
letting the hands get ahead of the ball thru impact. This lets the 
club slide under the ball, and the ball will ride up the face of the 
club increasing the spin. It's actually a very easy shot. Mostly you 
have to believe and hit it farly hard.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve K Cramer)
Subject: Pros' clubs
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:15:21 GMT

Just some mind food here. If you ever get a chance to get close enough to see a
pros clubs, check out the little worn spots directly in the center of the sweet
spot. They have these worn spots on all their clubs. Robots!

p.s. I have worn spots on the TOP of some of my clubs. :-)

also.....Norman's ready!

*******************************************************************************
Steve Cramer               scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"just hit it"              614-292-8481
*******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: grante@aquarius (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Well done Fred
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:26:04 GMT

griffinb@unix1.tcd.ie (brendan james griffin) writes:
: 
: What lucky streak are you talking about, Madhav? Are you saying that
: Floyd's birdie on 14 was'nt lucky and he intended it to clatter into the
: hole? Couples played solid, good quality golf throughout the Masters and
: could well go on to win many more majors. He may be on a hot streak but
: that does'nt mean he's on a lucky streak!
:

Ray Floyd is the best chipper on the tour.  He made a conscious
decision to be the best chipper, and worked hard at it.  When other
golfers chip in, it's luck -- when Ray chips in, it's skill (OK, a
slight exaggeration).  He will often chip from the apron in situations
where everbody else on the tour would have putted.

Ray missed a few critical putts that took him out of contention -- not
birdying 15 was a killer.  Fred played a good solid round, but I was
still cheering for Ray.

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  Inside, I'm already
Rosemount Inc.                                |SOBBING!
                                              |
grante@aquarius.rosemount.com                 |
From: borden@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Looking for used golf clubs .....
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:33:18 GMT
Reply-To: borden@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

I have three Taylor Made woods but i would like to know what you condsider
reasonable. They all have Graphite Shafts with the shaft saver long sock
head covers. If you or any one you know might be interested feel free
to send me a note.

thanks ed (bunker) borden
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: guido@island.COM (Guido Marx)
Subject: Re: About the Masters
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.  Marin County, Ca.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:50:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.165337.16668@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> charlie@turbo.Columbia.NCR.COM (Charlie Long) writes:
>BTW, Jeff Sluman just yesterday scored the first hole-in-one ever in
>the Masters.  The same talk show host calculated that in excess of 
>15,000 shots have been made at this same hole in previous Masters.

I believe that it was the first hole-in-one on that particular hole.
I have a hard time believing that no one has made a hole-in-one at
the Masters before this.  That's just too many excellent golfers, at 
least one of them must have gotten a little lucky on one of the
par 3's (didn't Ray Floyd come close to a hole-in-one yesterday ?).

Guido
From: pistol@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter C Tortorici)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: the secret is out
Date: 17 Apr 92 01:18:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I'm not necessarily a Ping basher, but I do agree with the point
perviously stated, that high tech equipment will ruin the game.

I think equipment should be improved, but not to the point where
a player will have an unfair advantage over the others.

Personally, I think that it would take all the fun out of the
game say if you designed a ball that would fly 250+ with a 7 iron
that was guaranteed to hit sweet every time no matter how you
hit the ball.

I feel a lot better about myself knowing that I have praticed and
achieved a certain level of competition with my own skills
rather than with some gimmick.

That's why I hate all that crap in the those golf magazines such
as the drivers with the 5 degree or so closed faces to "cure" a
slice.

Learn to swing properly and practice so you don't slice!!!!!!!!!!
Just gets my goat every time I see this stuff.

Love to see what everyone else thinks

Pete Tortorici
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: CA.JOE@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joe Koepnick)
Subject: Re: cavity back irons
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:56:13 GMT

In article <92099.083808DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>,
DLUX@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>Iron Byron does make off center shots. I failed to make that clear in an
>earlier posting. The testing I refered to involved forged blades and cavity
>back cast irons. Iron Byron was set up for miss hits, a low hit on the heel, a
>high hit off the toe, etc. The results were that cavity back, game improvement
>clubs made no significant difference. Bad off center hits produced bad result
>regardless of the club. The concept of forgiving cavity back irons is a myth.
>The only way that cavity back irons make a difference is that the myth may
>give a golfer confidence, thus enabling the golfer to make a better swing. The
>physics of cavity back irons make no significant difference, significant
>is the key word.I will search for the reference to the testing so you all can
>see for yourselves.
Yes, but did Iron Byron hit shots with his hands in front
of the ball at impact, behind the ball at impact, can he
come over the top, can it swing outside in, and inside
out?

The human swing is much more complex than Iron's.
I haven't seen Iron up close, but from pictures and the TV
it looks like he has perfect mechanics.

If you don't find a difference between CBPW clubs and blades
you are either a VERY good or a VERY bad golfer.

joe
From: brash@reg.triumf.ca (BRASH, ED)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: About the Masters
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:22:00 GMT
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>In article <griffinb.702741355@unix1.tcd.ie> griffinb@unix1.tcd.ie (brendan james griffin) writes: 
>
>BTW, Jeff Sluman just yesterday scored the first hole-in-one ever in
>the Masters.  The same talk show host calculated that in excess of 
>15,000 shots have been made at this same hole in previous Masters.

I believe that this was the first hole-in-one AT THE FOURTH HOLE in 
Master's history, not for the whole course.

BTW, is it The Master's or The Masters' or The Masters ?

Ed.
From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: cavity back irons
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:48:52 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

In <17290019@hpspkla.spk.hp.com> filipows@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Dennis J. Filipowski) writes:

>     I also tend to agree with you. I have tried several types
> of clubs including cast cavity backs. I did a test to evaluate the feel 
> of diferent clubs and shafts. I had a cast cavity back with low
> kick point steel shaft, a forged blade with low kick shaft(same
> shaft as cavity back) and forged blade with mid kick. A bad shot

Would you mind letting us know what was the shaft with the low kick point and
the mid kickpoint ?

> Always wanting to try new things I now play with Mizuno Grads.

What other forged cavity-backs have you tried before the Grads ? Have you tried
the Hogan Edge, MAxfli Tour, Ram Fx and the Precept forged cavity backs ?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: john@meaddata.com (John Manion)
Subject: Re: Slow play by the pros
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:27:08 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Apr14.003333.25776@morrow.stanford.edu>, CA.JOE@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joe Koepnick) writes:
|> >>In article <1992Apr13.122056@kristyna.Prime.COM> dks@kristyna.Prime.COM (Dave Snay) writes:
|> >>
|> >>
|> >>>   Is it me, or should Fred Couples and Craig Parry have been encouraged
|> >>>   to speed up thier play? When they were playing 16, Ray Floyd was finishing
|> >>>  18. For a twosome to take over 2 hours to play 9 holes is just amazing.
|> >
|> I would personally help Freddie kill the official that asked him to
|> speed up play on Sunday. It ain't a $2.00 bet at your local muni
|> rated 103.

Let me hit him once too.

|> 
|> I don't think golf was invented to be played in a hurry. And for two
|> golfers to take just over two hours for nine holes at the Masters
|> seems acceptable to me.

Hurrah!! Finally someone has said it.  All this talk about slow play and how
It took me 5 hours to play 18, Blah Blah Blah.	

  For the people who are always complaining, Weren't you once a new golfer?
Can't you remember looking through the woods for a lost ball?

  I'm not a new golfer by any means but I can at least understand what some
of the higher handicappers are going through.  And to say, go to the range
and get good before coming to the course is a joke.  You just don't get the same
type of practice at the range as you do at the course, unless you have a day to 
kill and a hundred bucks.  Don't get me wrong I'm not saying don't go to the 
range, but before you go to the range you need to know what you are practicing
for.

Lighten up.  Golf is game meant to be fun.  If you got plans in four hours then 
don't come out to the course.  It will make the day more enjoyable for the rest 
of us.

|> 
|> joe

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From: dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Perry G Ramsey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Good Luck GolfingNet
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:04:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44668
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University, Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences

In article <17928@oasys.dt.navy.mil> mahone@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Mahone) writes:
>
>Do not keep this letter.  Do not send money.  Just have your wonderful,
>efficient cpu make five additional copies and send it to five of
>your friends to whom you wish good luck.  

Maybe we should all send several copies to clg265@vaxa.strath.ac.uk?

:-)
-- 
Perry G. Ramsey         Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences
dil@mace.cc.purdue.edu  Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN USA
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N9LFF                   might have other rights that vary from state to state.
From: SASCHO@mvs.sas.com (SASCHO)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Well done Fred
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:19:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
X-Bytes: 994

>I think that Fred's lucky streak will have run out by the time the U.S. Open
>comes along !
 
Lokk at the past 11 months. Jack Nicklaus would love to be so lucky.
 
>   I feel that an American will win the Open , perhaps a retention by Payne
>   Stewart or maybe Calcavekkia (sp?) ,Pavin , Davis Love .
>     I do hope that Raymond Floyd can win , although i doubt it .
>
>Floyd lost the Masters , Couples just  played par golf .
>I don't know how he missed the putts on 11 , 12 and 13 .
>Had his eagle gone in on the 15th , it might have been a different story .
 
All Fred had to do was play par golf. That's called smart. Only an idiot
would be overly aggressive. Floyd missed those putts the way every
golfer does. He hit them to the wrong place.
>
>All in all , Good luck Fred because that all your going to win this year .A hot
>player has to go cold sometime !!
 
So what if he never wins again. He's done more in the past year than
99.9% of all golfer's will do in a lifetime.
 
Chuck