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From: Jamal.Mazrui@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Jamal Mazrui)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: "blind loyalty"
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:11:30 GMT
Reply-To: Jamal.Mazrui@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:101/460.0 - VI/BUG, Holbrook MA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23788

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi Chuck!  I agree that the article balanced positive as well as
negative observations and that some significant questionable practices
were not covered.  One that comes to my mind is the link between the
American Brotherhood for the Blind and the National Federation of the
Blind.  Jernigan routinely uses money raised through charibable
solicitations for the "services to the blind" of the Brotherhood toward
financing political activities of his in the Federation.  For example,
if someone doesn't win a scholarship through the regular NFB
scholarship process, but the person is being politically cultivated by
Jernigan for some reason, then he will give them a scholarship through
the Brotherhood.  Brotherhood money is also used sometimes to finance
the "re-organizing" of state affiliates so the the hotel and air
expenses don't appear on the NFB's books.  In literature of the
Brotherhood, this is referred to as "helping blind persons
self-organize" or some similar phrase.  In this way, Jernigan can help
to ensure that only people loyal to him without question get elected
state presidents in the organization.

Ypu're right that an investigative exposee usually involves more than
what was revealed in "Blind Loyalty."  In comparison to what mainstream
press is usually willing to report about a disability organization,
however, I think it was an exposee.

Best regards,

Jamal

P.S.  The American Brotherhood for the Blind has recently been renamed
to the American Action Fund for Blind Children and Adults.  If that
were its sole focus, it is a positive name change--gender- neutral,

etc.  Unfortunately, with what I know about its additional hidden
purposes, I cannot help but wonder if it an attempt to strenghthen the
perception of its charitable role over a different reality.

PPS:  For the information of anyone listening who does not know,
Kenneth Jernigan is Executive Director of both the Brotherhood and the
Federation;  Marc Maurer is President of the Federation and General
Counsel to the Brotherhood.  Marc Maurer's salary is paid by the
Brotherhood for "legal services."  Jernigan's salary has been paid by
the Brotherhood, though he says he has been unpaid in recent years.

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From: Jim.Danley@f20.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Danley)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Accent PC for sale
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:11:04 GMT
Reply-To: Jim.Danley@f20.n233.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:233/20 - Lucid Dream, Urbana IL
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23785

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

ACCENT PC SPEECH SYNTHESIZER FOR SALE.

The unit is one and a half years old and has performed flawlessly.  Includes
ROM version 4.0 and a nice speaker.  I no longer need the Accent since I've
become accustomed to the MultiVoice.  I'm asking $550.  If prepaid, I will
pay for shipping.  Please contact me here in BlinkTalk or call voice at (217)
344-7772 afternoons and evenings.  If anyone has any questions I would be
happy to answer them here.  This was my first speech synthesizer and I am
hoping to find it a good home.  Thanks.

        Jim

 * JABBER v1.1 *

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From: Chuck.Hallenbeck@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Chuck Hallenbeck)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Braille N Speak Compl
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:12:39 GMT
Reply-To: Chuck.Hallenbeck@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23796

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 WS> Chuck, I am not pushing the braille n speak, but if you are
 WS> going to compare prices, let's add to the cost of that
 WS> notebook, a speech synthesizer, and te speech program, and now
 WS> how much does it cost?

Hi, Walter.
I use a LiteTalk on my notebook for $500, which is the same as what
Blazie charges for the BNS floppy drive, and I use a copy of the screen
reader I use on my desktop. The BNS 640 with a floppy comes in at $1800,
and my notebook with LiteTalk and borrowed screen reader comes at $1500
retail. The BNS is a terrific little note-taker, but for that you don't
need 640k or a disk drive, and the disk drive makes it no longer all
that convenient (unless of course you leave the disk drive home). ...
Chuck.

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From: Keith.Bucher@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Keith Bucher)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Braille N Speak Compl
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:12:54 GMT
Reply-To: Keith.Bucher@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23817

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 Quoting William Wilson to Cindy Hallenbeck 05 Aug 92  18:58:26

 WW> I only wish a few others understood what I am saying, but seeing
 WW> as they continue to compare the Braille 'n Speak with notebook
 WW> computers, I guess any further discussion of this by me will fall upon
 WW> deaf ears,

Hello Willie, Not deaf ears, just good economics.  A $1,295.00
notetaker with no internal storage verses a $1,000.00 computer with
floppy as well as hard drive.  You may not agree with me, but sooner
or later, people are going to realize that the braille 'N Speak is way
over priced.  If you wonder why I feel so strong about this subject,
well, in 1988 I was talked in to purchasing a notetaker.  Yes, I
certainly did, and I payed over  two grand for it.  Luckily I got most
of my money back, but lost a fair amount.  And notebooks weren't even
popular then.  I thought like many, and mistakenly so, I might
add, that MS-DOS would be too difficult for me, so I settled for the
Eureka A4.  I can't down it because it was my choice and I made it.
But you'd be surprised of the flaws we learned about it after owning
it for awhile.  It had both internal or programmable as well as
mechanical flaws.  I say, "We," because several of my friends bought
it as well.  And now that notebooks are indeed out there and so
inexpensive, plus the fact that MS-DOS andits accompanying programs
aren't hard to learn at all, people should just go for it!  As I
should have done in the first place.  Keith.

... TagLines are a figment of your imagination.

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From: Robert.Wieland@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Robert Wieland)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: NFBNET Censorship?
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:13:30 GMT
Reply-To: Robert.Wieland@f140.n150.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:150/140 - Black Bag BBS, Newark DE
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23802

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 DA> You and others will call it sensorship.  I don't think so.  The
 DA> BBS is paid for by NFB members for our and others use.  I have
 DA> no intention to let it be used to attack us.  You all can do it
 DA> here, on some one elses dime.

David,
    I don't believe you are correct in this.  It may depend upon what
you publicly claim your BBS to be.  Unfortunately, if you represent it
as a public forum, or if you invite submissions with the clear
implication that all are welcome, without any mention of screening and
culling, you are wrong.  You have no right - in fact, you may be
forbidden by law - from deleting messages and file based on your
opinions about them.
   This whole question was addressed, for the print media, by the U S
Supreme Court in several decisions at the beginning of the nineteenth
century.  Rags calling themselves newspapers were printing lies,
half-truths, and slanders, and never reporting at all certain
important actual happenings: the slant was usually political.  When
all this would end up in court, the publishers would point to the
First Amendment, saying "Freedom of the press... we own these presses,
and the Constitution says nobody can tell us what to do with them!"
The Supreme Court ruled very differently.  They held (repeatedly) that
the First Amendment is a right of the public to be informed, not a
right of "those who own the physical implements of printing" to do as
they pleased.  To put it in one sentence, they said that freedom of
the press meant that nobody - INCLUDING the owners of the presses -
gets to decide what will and will not be published and read.
   As the media have gotten more honest, this has been largely
forgotten, but it still hangs around in places.  Ever heard an
editorial on TV?  Note at the end how they tell rebutters how to get
in touch?  They are required to make that announcement, and if anybody
does call in, they are REQUIRED to provide equal air time for the
reasonable presentations of differing opinions, for free.  Owning the
TV station does not entitle them to the last and only word.
   So we are thrown back to the status of your BBS.  If you say up
front that NFBNET is the official voice of the NFB, you may be OK.  If
you don't say that, it may be VERY not OK for you to pull down
messages and files.
   FYI, I'm a wink who has no part of the NFB/ACB thing (whatever it
is or was).  I got this matter all sorted out back in 1985- 86 when
the same sort of "censorship" showed up on a local BBS; a sysop
thought owning the computer was the same as owning the messages,
including ones that weren't addressed to him.

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From: dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil (Jude DaShiell)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: protection and enforcement
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:29:58 GMT
Reply-To: dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil (Jude DaShiell)
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23953

Legal protection is in its effectiveness directly proportional to
the enforcement legislation has in the community.  Laws will have
marginal enforcement in the community for so long as attitudes in
the community are opposed to the enforcement.  This fact makes a
lie of a government of law and proves that ultimately all
government is by people.  When I think about this in connection
with the A.D.A. I'm not surprised or optimistic.  When I think of
this in context of Watergate then I am surprised.

jude <dashiell@nadc.nadc.navy.mil>
From: Patrick.Gormley@f432.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Patrick Gormley)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Braille and spelling
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:10:13 GMT
Reply-To: Patrick.Gormley@f432.n109.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/432 - The Idea Link, Wheaton MD
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23779

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

The other day I was doing some editing and I found out that I was
writing an amount in dollars and not leaving a space between the
dollar sign and the amount which when you write braille you write
them together.  Also a number of years ago, I was trying
unsuccessfuly to get my proofreader certificate from NLS and
believe it or not I subconsciously develloped my own short form
method for writing some words that weren't correct according to the
NLS standards. 73- KK3F

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From: mgoodfel@netcom.com (Michael Goodfellow)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Grand Canyon in a Chair ?
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:27:36 GMT
Reply-To: mgoodfel@netcom.com (Michael Goodfellow)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Index Number: 23946

I'm going to be visiting the Grand Canyon and surrounding areas
in a couple of weeks.  Does anyone know of any accessible things
to do ?  I was there a year ago, but all I managed was portions
of the rim trail.  Even that gets a bit too steep for me in places.
I'd like something that gets you lower down in the canyon, but
I'm not sure there is anything.  Also, is Bryce canyon in Utah
at all accessible ?

Michael Goodfellow
mgoodfel@netcom.com
From: David.Tanner@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org (David Tanner)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Punctuation and Speech
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:08:00 GMT
Reply-To: David.Tanner@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/168 - Braille Bank BBS, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23765

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Yes, the inflection does go away with the Accent when you turn of
punctuation with Jaws.  However, I found that that was not the case
with MultiVoice.  I was also surprised that with the Accent you can
set the pause, but can't define any difference between pause for
end of word, end of sentence and other punctuation.  With the
MultiVoice setup for Jaws you can define one level of pause for end
of sentance and a different one for commas.  Once you get the
settings just right and the speed set the way you want it it really
sounds fantastic.

I had my Accent set up this evening with pause set really high and
the speed set up to 16 to do some scanning of a book and I was
surprised that I actually understood everything very clearly even
at 16 rate.  It was great though because I was not all that
interested in what I was scanning since it was for a friend of my
supervisor's.  I really can't get into basket weaving.  By the time
I hit chapter 8 I was so boared I could hardly stand it even as
fast as I had the speech set.

        D. T.

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From: Walter.Siren@p18.f5.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Walter Siren)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Braille N Speak Compl
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:04:23 GMT
Reply-To: Walter.Siren@p18.f5.n396.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:396/5.18 - Pontchippi, New Orleans LA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23740

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 CH> Hi, Willy.
 CH> Boy, that BNS is really being pushed to be something that it is not. I
 CH> recently paid $1000 for a brand new notebook computer that weighs five
 CH> pounds, has 640k, a 20M fixed disk, a 3.5 inch floppy, and runs DOS 5,
 CH> the 4DOS shell, and I installed WordStar version 7 and a whole shipload
 CH> of other neat stuff. How much do they want for the BNS 640 nowadays that
 CH> runs one external program? ... Chuck.

Chuck, I am not pushing the braille n speak, but if you are going
to compare prices, let's add to the cost of that notebook, a speech
synthesizer, and te speech program, and now how much does it cost?

     Walter

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From: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com (Bill McGarry)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: I'm away for a few days
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:28:33 GMT

I'm on vacation for a few days.  I'll be dialing in from time to
time and will get some articles out on Thursday (8/20) and
will respond to mail.

Bill
From: person@plains.nodak.edu (Brett Person)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Screen Reader
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:32:31 GMT
Reply-To: person@plains.nodak.edu (Brett Person)
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23960

In article <23624@handicap.news> David.Tanner@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org writes:
>Index Number: 23624
>
>My hope is that IBM will come up with a product for OS2 that is so
>easy to use, so user friendly, and provides such complete access to
>OS2 and Windows that we will truly feel that the speech software
>has become transparent to our use of a computer.  Unfortunantly,
>their present attempt comes no where close to doing any of the
>above, and is one of the most difficult speech software products I
>have used with MS DOS.

Huh?  I like it fine, but then again, I'm A PROGRAMMER. :-)

> It is almost imposible to set it up for DOS
>use without getting some wierd problems that you won't experience
>with other speech packages selling for one eighth the price of
>Screen Reader.

What are you talking about?  My srd works just fine with DOS.  Sure, I
had to write a PAL script for 4dos'  help and hstory windows, but
that's just a couple of autospeaks.  In fact, I can put the code up
on the archive at NDSUVM1 if any of you are that interested.

If you could define 'wierd problems' it might help me figure out what
you are complaniing about.  I'm no big fan of PAL either.  It took me
a couple of months really working at it to get an understanding of
what's going on in the language.  Having good support from IBM helped
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From: David.Tanner@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org (David Tanner)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Tinytalk 1.20 is here!
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:13:53 GMT
Reply-To: David.Tanner@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/168 - Braille Bank BBS, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23821

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

It's beautiful.  Already installed it here and it is seemingly even
more responsive with my new Accent SA than earlier versions.
Thanks ever so much for current character, independant cursor,
indefinate shutup, and all the other great features you added.  It
really is great.

Now, I seem to be having a problem I would like you to check out.
I can't seem to get ttconf to clone for me.  Any idea what is
happening?

Again, thanks for a truely great speech software at a truely
tremendous price.

        D. T.

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From: Walter.Siren@p18.f5.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Walter Siren)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Jaws macros
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:15:29 GMT
Reply-To: Walter.Siren@p18.f5.n396.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:396/5.18 - Pontchippi, New Orleans LA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23830

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 RA> The last version of Jaws I took a look at was around 1.75 or something
 RA> like that.  Am I going crazy, or wasn't there indeed a macro editor

Rick, in jaws 1, the macro editor was different than it is in jaws
2.  However, I don't understand what they are saying about needing
a macro editor in jaws 2.  It is easy enough to go into the macro
menu and edit the macro.  Of course you do have to go into the
config file to do it.  If I remember right, in jaws 1 you could
edit them without being in the config file.

Walter

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From: Gary.Petraccaro@f12.n2610.z1.fidonet.org (Gary Petraccaro)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: braille and spelling
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:05:07 GMT
Reply-To: Gary.Petraccaro@f12.n2610.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2610/12 - Post Road Inn, Greensburg PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23745

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

I can only think of one way around this braille problem: give
spelling tests in Grade 2, require answers in Grade 1.  As to your
larger point, though,I think I can address it.  People say I'm a
good braille user--I don't know myself as I've never gotten
reliable info on what a good braille reading rate might be.
Regardless of how well I read, however, I can't spell worth crap.
Ask my wife <grin>. Nothing made me look as good as a spelling
checker <grin>.

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From: Jeff.Belina@p91.f20.n3603.z1.fidonet.org (Jeff Belina)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: JAWS Macros
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:06:09 GMT
Reply-To: Jeff.Belina@p91.f20.n3603.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3603/20.91 - Mercury Opus NEC360, St Petersburg FL

Index Number: 23752

Once upon a midnight weary...

31 Jul 92 22:37, Tandy Way wrote to Keith Bucher:

 TW> I am just about to buy jaws but I have some problems to work out
 TW> using  macros first.

JAWS comes with a beginning macro tape as part of the package, the
macros are actually pretty straight forward once you realize that
they are mostly just a replication of what you would do step by
step if you were doing the process by hand.  Also, there is a new
set of Macro tapes available in addition to the advanced macro
tapes, these new tapes are a comprehensive macro training session
including how to integrate frames with macros.

Good Luck,
Jeff Belina
Technical Support and Sysop of the Henter-Joyce Support BBS (1:3603/5297)
Henter-Joyce, Inc.

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From: Greg.Pike@f49.n272.z1.fidonet.org (Greg Pike)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Screen Reader
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:00:16 GMT
Reply-To: Greg.Pike@f49.n272.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:272/49 - Calliope's Den, Garrison NY
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 23713

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

David Tanner writes, again:

 DT> Bottom line - programmers write software for programmers
 DT> to use, let the users be satisfied with what they get
 DT> and learn to program or forget it.  My eight years
 DT> teaching access technology, and three years as head of
 DT> a access technology training program indicate to me
 DT> that you are wrong, very wrong, and that if the new
 DT> Screen Reader does not make huge changes over the MS
 DT> DOS version that it will never come close to competing
 DT> with other speech software products now close to
 DT> release for Windows.

The bottom line is this:  Every piece of software that runs on
every computer everywhere was written by a programmer.  By
definition, if you write a one-line batch file to echo your name,
you're a programmer.  Give yourself a big pat on the back.

Since you've mentioned the Screen Reader Newsletter, you know
better than to say that the users have to be satisfied with what
they get or else.  Lots of goodies get shipped out with the
newsletter, including new profiles.  The current version of Screen
Reader is at 1.2.  That's the third version, or the second revision
from the original.  If IBM thought the original was good enough,
they wouldn't have released the newer versions.  The newer versions
were released because the users wanted more, and wanted different
things, hence new versions.

The new version of Screen Reader for OS/2 is quite a bit different
from the DOS version.  Naturally, it has to be because it now
accesses a graphical user interface.  The PAL programming language
has been simplified in some areas, but naturally, there are lots of
new things in the language to handle the GUI.

So far, the only product I've heard for Windows is the product from
SynthaVoice.  Are there others?  I've heard that Berkeley systems
was working on a toolkit for Windows, but I haven't heard anything
else about either.  If there are other packages in the works, I'd
be interested in hearing about them.

Just the facts.

/Greg

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