HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: waltrip@capd.jhuapl.edu
Subject: Re: Hard Drive problems (?)
Organization: CAPVAX, JHU/APL
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:07:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.175234.6972@nntp.uoregon.edu>, cdelay@inferno.uoregon.edu
 (Christian De Lay) writes:
> I'm getting some awfully weird noises from my (406MB) hard drive in my 9  
> month old NeXTstation mono.  Occasionally the drive will make a high pitch  
> whining sound (which sounds similar to a skill saw "powering down") for no  
> apparent reason.  Now, I've had this machine long enough to know that this  
> probably isn't a normal sound for the beast to be making.
> 
> What I want to know is this: Has anyone else experienced this problem?  Are  
> there any known problems with NeXT's hard drives?
	I have a mono NeXTstation also with the 400 MB drive and I have heard a
	similar sound a couple of times.  Couldn't swear it's the drive,
	though.  Might be a fan.

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From: cdelay@inferno.uoregon.edu (Christian De Lay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Hard Drive problems (?)
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:52:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Sep2.175234.6972
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services

I'm getting some awfully weird noises from my (406MB) hard drive in my 9  
month old NeXTstation mono.  Occasionally the drive will make a high pitch  
whining sound (which sounds similar to a skill saw "powering down") for no  
apparent reason.  Now, I've had this machine long enough to know that this  
probably isn't a normal sound for the beast to be making.

What I want to know is this: Has anyone else experienced this problem?  Are  
there any known problems with NeXT's hard drives?

--
cdelay@inferno.uoregon.edu
NeXTmail gladly accepted.
From: jcelam@confused (James Clifton Elam)
Subject: Re: soft carrying cases for mono stations...
Keywords: REI,
Reply-To: jcelam%confused@glv.com
Organization: Encompass
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:05:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.004502.28098@liveware.com> modman@liveware.com writes:
> In article <6076@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> gbol@rglnext.geol.vt.edu (Gregory  
Lampshire)  
> writes:
> > 
> > 
> > Does anybody have a contact for soft carrying cases for NeXTstation monos?   
> > I have seen ads for hard cases but they are more protection than I need...
> > 
> Jesse Taylor of Taylor Made and Paget Press does make custom
> carrying cases for cubes and slabs as well as other
> NeXT products.  He can be reached as Paget during regular
> business hours.  Paget is located in Seattle Washington, USA
> 
> Todd Nathan

I just went down to REI and bought a $100 bag that was a little bigger than I  
needed.  Then I went to one of those packaging stores and got them to cut me $4  
worth of foam.  Voila!  Instant cheap-o carrying case (it's even black!) that I  
can use for other things.

Best of all, it doesn't look like a computer case so it's less likely to be  
stolen.

Don't forget to take a screwdriver with you to open the NeXT at security.   
Also, calling them first seems to make them pretty mellow. Sometimes I just get  
to walk through without opening the NeXT!

--
James "Cliff" Elam                      | I want NeXTStep 3.0. Now!
(919) 380-6522 (v,w)                    | I want NeXT/Intel too!
jcelam%confused@glv.com - NeXT mail!    | DBKit will sell more NeXT's than IB!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: draphsor@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson)
Subject: Re: Lost Home Directory Icon - SOLVED
Organization: Residential Computing, Stanford University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:05:29 GMT

In comp.sys.next.misc draphsor@deathstar.stanford.edu writes:
>Recently, my home directory no longer comes up with an icon - it just
>looks like a folder. It still appears on the shelf, and I still can't
>drag it off. And I still get logged in with the proper home directory.
>Just no icon. None for other peoples' home directories (the
>double-house/neighborhood icon) either. Anyone have any ideas what
>might cause this/where these icons are stored?

I got a number of informative responses. One suggestion was to make
sure that Large File System was not checked in Preferences -
apparently this causes the Workspace to not spend the time to look
through the passwd information in a large file system. This however
was not my problem. What happened in my case is that somehow my home
directory got changed to belong to root. I still had read write
privileges, so I didn't notice. However, upon changing ownership back
to myself the home directory icon appeared just like it was supposed
to.

The icons are stored in the Workspace app itself, by the way, so
that's very unlikely to be the problem.

Thanks to all who replied!

Rollie
--
Draphsor vo'drun-Aelf                   draphsor@deathstar.stanford.edu
Residential Computing, Stanford University	NeXTmail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Subject: Object Marketing (WAS: BackSpace/NextWorld)
Reply-To: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:10:13 GMT

In article <BtnM05.8L5@spock.dis.cccd.edu> maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice  
Shihadi) writes:
> The reason I bought a NeXT was so I could hire a couple of C programmers
> and guide their efforts toward writing encapsulated Object Code, 
> sell the use of the Object Code in addition to selling SUPPORT to 
> those who need more guidance in putting together their own custom apps.
> Service is where the competition should lie.  
[WordPerfect flame deleted]
> ...but alas, this probably
> won't happen until everyone else goes RISC and Object Oriented programming
> becomes more of a reality than a marketing catch phrase.  In addition,
> "developers" that spend their spare momemts creating objects could solicit 
> companies to act as publishers to distribute and could either sell their 
> object code outright or seek some kind of royalty payment.

This is precisely what Brad Cox (author of ObjC) was talking about at  
ObjectWorld.  He used the phrase "turning programming from a technical matter  
between a programmer and the computer to a commercial matter between producers  
and consumers."  He said that doing this would require a revolution in the way  
software was sold, created, and conceived.  Immediately thereafter, Sun and  
Microsoft made very strong point that their use of Objects was 'evolutionary',  
NOT revolutionary.  Steve and the guy from Taligent were the only ones to buy  
into the 'revolutionary' jargon.

That is why the ObjectWare catalog, despite having a marketeering feel to it,  
is such a landmark event.  NeXT claim credibly claim to have created an 'Object  
Marketplace' - the first of its kind, as far as I can tell.  ArcheType is  
probably the biggest company to have bought this philosophy, though many  
smaller ones have.  They have a few objects which they market, and a couple of  
'toy' (in the sense of minimal additional effort) applications which  
demonstrate their use.

Brad Cox did make the point that a whole new payment scheme (analogous to  
ASCAP, as someone pointed out) would really need to come about before the  
object market could really flourish.  Conventional pricing schemes are too  
'heavyweight' to deal with something as ephemeral as objects, although they  
will suffice for the transition.  Any of you bring NeXT-ophilic Econ majors  
want to become the next ASCAP by engineering the worlds first floating object  
market?!?

- Ernie 'rapturous object frenzy' Prabhakar
--
Ernest N. Prabhakar                  Caltech High Energy Physics
Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu)
CaJUN President        NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu
"...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus sake." - II Cor 4:5b
#import <std/disclaimer.h>
From: pfkeb@kaon.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Paul Kunz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: TeXmenu -- English?
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:22:56 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
In-reply-to: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu's message of 31 Aug 92 03:49:02 GMT


   The original question was how to get TeXMenu to come up in English.
Here's the answer...

   Use Preferences to change your default language to some other 
language then the default English, then change it back to English.

   What's happening is TeXMenu is looking in your defaults database
for your language preference.  If you never used Preferences to set
one, you don't have an entry.  Without an entry, TeXMenu uses its
default: German.

   Credit for finding this solution goes to someone who posted it
months ago..   Sorry, I forgot his/her name.


   
--
Paul F. Kunz	pfkeb@slac.stanford.edu (NeXT mail ok)
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, Stanford University
Voice: (415) 926-2884   (NeXT) Fax: (415) 926-3587
From: yikes@netcom.com (Jenny Doll)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Hmmm... LOTS of NeXTs for sale in misc.forsale{.computers}
Date: 30 Aug 92 04:21:10 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

... What kind of "blowout"? ....

Since NSC Turbos account for 3/4 of sales, I think they were left with some
extra non Turbo NSCs and Cubes that they wanted to move out of inventory ->
so they sold them at a deep discount to employees/campus consultants.
              
Michael Brill
From: bpja@codex.oz.au (Brett Adam)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NFS server recommendations?
Keywords: netinfo, sun, nis
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:11:54 GMT
Reply-To: bpja@codex.oz.au
Organization: Codex Software Development Pty Ltd

In article <1992Aug21.210632.10121@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu  
(Mark Riordan) writes:
> Our Computer Science department uses SPARCservers as servers for
> Suns and NeXTs with good success.  They use NIS (Yellow Pages).
> 

If you want to use NetInfo in all it's glory to administer your Sun and NeXT  
systems, you should take a look at our 'NetInfo For Sun Workstations' product.
A complete port of NetInfo for the SPARC ...

NetInfo Manager is great when the NetInfo server is a real fast SPARC box.

Of course, you can also use niutil on the command line ...;-)


---------------------------------------------------------------
Brett Adam                 Codex Software Development Pty. Ltd.
NeXTMail: bpja@codex.oz.au                  AppleLink: AUST0335
(Preferred.)                                 (Only if you must) 
-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------
Brett Adam                 Codex Software Development Pty. Ltd.
NeXTMail: bpja@codex.oz.au                  AppleLink: AUST0335
(Preferred.)                                 (Only if you must) 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: mdixon@parc.xerox.com (Mike Dixon)
Subject: Re: stripping (was Ramdisk coming for NeXT)
Organization: Xerox PARC
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:58:44 GMT

matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) writes:

>In article <dillon.0mci@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) writes:
>>    Sounds like one huge bandaid to me.... compressed????  Are they out of
>>    their mind?  It's *already* too slow!

>Compare the speed of the '040 in compressing to the speed of a typical hard
>disk.

c'mon guys.  this is yet another rehashing of a totally bogus
discussion based on complete misunderstanding of a third-hand
reporting of a misunderstood remark.  it doesn't make any
sense to use data compression on the swapfile, and next isn't
doing it.
--

                                             .mike.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Prices on c.s.n.announce
Reply-To: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:13:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.193432.14085@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip  
McDunnough) writes:
> Whatever it takes to put those prices back in should be done. This is 
> virtually the only platform to do this. We look like fools, apart from the
> fact that the announcements come off looking as  though they have been 
> through some kind of censorship. So I would certainly back your request for
> a vote on this. If the moderator won't go along with it, perhaps there could
> be a vote on him and/or the group being moderated. The whole thing is 
> ridiculous.
Whoa, stay calm.

There are lots of reasons, most of them historical, for why prices were  
forbidden from being on USENET.  Todd has merely inherited a situation that has  
been around for a long time.  There are issues besides popularity (legality,  
for one) to be considered.  There are some networks (not just sites)
which might not be able to carry csn.announce if it had price information.   
Todd has to consider of all of that before he makes a decision.

Now, admittedly his last questionnaire was rather confusing to some of us, but  
let's give the guy a chance.  Todd has put an awful lot of effort into making  
csn.announce more 'user-friendly', and I'm sure he wants to do the right thing.   
He's probably just worried (rightfully or not, I don't know) about his efforts  
being derailed by 'back-door politicking'.  Let's give him a few days to  
compile his questionnaire, create a policy, and defend his decision.  Then I'm  
sure he will be more than willing to enter into a rational debate on the issue.  

Until then, can we just play it cool?  We've lived with this situation for  
several years; a couple more weeks isn't going to kill anyone.

- Ernie P.

--
Ernest N. Prabhakar                  Caltech High Energy Physics
Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu)
CaJUN President        NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu
"...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus sake." - II Cor 4:5b
#import <std/disclaimer.h>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tlm@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: detex/delatex for NeXT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:47:31 GMT

In <1992Sep2.210642.2602@Princeton.EDU> js@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jay Sekora) writes:


>One of the professors here is trying to get a bunch of TeX macros to
>work in Emacs on his NeXT.  He has dependencies on a couple of
>executables called `detex' and `delatex'.  He has source for detex
>version 2.3, which looks like it would also serve as delatex.  It
>compiles with nothing more than one warning about assignment of
>pointer to integer without a cast, but when we run the resulting
>executable it gives a bus error.  The C code is generated by lex,
>which I'm not familiar with, so I haven't dug through the source
>much yet.  Sooooo....

>Does anybody have a distribution of detex that works on the NeXT?

Get the file TeXutilities off of sonata.  It was put there by Harald 
Schlangmann to go with TeXmenu (itself a great little application for
people who do their TeXing in Edit) to allow for one button spell
checking. It contains a working copy of detex for the NeXT.  Not sure
about "delatex" as I've not used it.

Hope this is helpful.

Tom
From: trivedi@curie.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Prices on c.s.n.announce
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:40:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Aug29.234051.26983
Organization: Enrico Fermi Institute, University of Chicago

In article <1992Aug28.230103.2854@ifi.unizh.ch> lytras@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Lytras Apostolos) writes:

>    Because of Usenet's roots in academia, and because Usenet depends
>    so heavily on cooperation (sometimes among competitors), custom
>    dictates that advertising be kept to a minimum.  It is tolerated
>    if it is infrequent, informative, and low-hype.
...

All of this sound fine, but sadly irrelevant. Why should the mention
of *prices* be regarded as any more of an advertizement than say that
of technical *features* and *specs* of a product?

-----
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: gisli@hamilton.eecs.umich.edu (Gisli Ottarsson)
Subject: Setting the time  --- HELP!
Followup-To: gisli@engin.umich.edu
Reply-To: gisli@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:36:16 GMT



Hi!

I have a small network of 3 NeXT machines running netinfo.

It seems that anyone can play with the system time.  Is this
normal!?  I find myself with a large number of files dated
in the year 2037 --- ouch.

What is a good way to keep the 3 machines in sync with the
correct time?  Isn't there an animal called ntp?  How do I
use it?

			Thanks

				Gisli
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Subject: Re: NeXT Sales figures
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:26:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.164517.2148@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug20.161439.7358@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling) writes:
>
>>M Carling
>>Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
>
>>I believe George Bush, Anita Hill, and Pinocchio.
>
>Having met you, you seem like a very nice guy.  Having
>exchanged email with you, you seem like a very nice guy.
>Having read your postings in the csn* groups, you seem
>helpful, usually well informed, and, well, a very nice guy.
>That said, and recognizing that people are free to think
>anything they like, to say almost anything they like, and to
>do most things they like, I'm once again astonished that you
>indulge yourself (and that's really what it is) in quote
>lines like that one, especially here.  I gather it does
>something for you, at least in your own eyes.  And *that's*
>the part that amazes me.
>
>-- 
>Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
>Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
>NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
>Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888

Can we stop complaining about .sig's?  What is the freaking point?
I see a lot of .sig's I've found offensive and I haven't seen you 
complain about them.

-anwar

Bill Clinton and Al Gore, Vote Ecoterrorists in '92!
-- 
Anwar Mohammed                           Graduate Student
anwar+@cs.cmu.edu  (NeXTmail welcome)    School of Computer Science
Voice: +1 412 268 3043                   Carnegie-Mellon University
Fax:   +1 412 681 5739                   Pittsburgh, PA  15213-3890
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ramirez.Princeton.EDU!penrose (Christopher Penrose)
Subject: Re: Music & NS3.0
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: music kit stuffes
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:27:23 GMT

Ernest Prabhakar writes
> In article <1992Aug25.130029.27151@ppgfr.uucp> wolpert@mars (Florian Wolpert)  
> writes:
> Pick up the Presto beta-application.  It does everything ScorePlayer and  
> Ensemble did, and it is way cooler.  The only problem is that, with the demo,  
> you cannot save files.  But it is useful for playing tunes.
> And they do have a pretty nifty Edu discount.  

Not to rag on Presto, I am a registered beta user myself; but Ensemble can do  
some really nifty things that Presto can't (and vice versa).  Ensemble is not  
specifically a sequencer, it is a midi/dsp performance tool.  Ensemble has a  
funky fractal music algorithm that is fun to play with.  It was other wacky  
real/time midi modification processes.  Delay etc.  Apparently, an improved  
Ensemble application will be released with the CCRMA release of the music kit.

Florian Wolpert wrote:
> I've just intstalled NS3.0 (PR2) and now missing ScorePlayer and Ensemble.

From what I understand, the NeXT still has most of the compiled music kit  
classes and functions in 3.0's shared object libraries.  Try copying your old  
versions of ScorePlayer and Ensemble over to your 3.0 machine and see if they  
still function.

Christopher
penrose@silvertone.princeton.edu


Christopher

penrose@silvertone.princeton.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jcelam@confused (James Clifton Elam)
Subject: Re: Mesa 1.1 on the archives
Reply-To: jcelam%confused@glv.com
Organization: Encompass
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:12:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.034245.5765@dpp> dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) writes:
> I've just placed Mesa 1.1 on the archives (sonata.cc.purdue.edu,  
> 128.210.15.30; nova.cc.purdue.edu, 128.210.7.22; cs.orst.edu,  
> 128.193.32.1).
[much commercial stuff deleted]

I knew Mesa AR-1 - it was a friend of mine.  And let me tell you [Improv/Wingz]  
you're no Mesa AR-1.

Seriously - I've been quite impressed with both the product and the technical  
support.  As soon as someone from Mesa E-mails me the 1.1 (hint, hint) I  
suspect I'll be even happier.

--
James "Cliff" Elam                      | I want NeXTStep 3.0. Now!
(919) 380-6522 (v,w)                    | I want NeXT/Intel too!
jcelam%confused@glv.com - NeXT mail!    | DBKit will sell more NeXT's than IB!
From: unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Scanners: what kind do you use?
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:14:33 GMT
Reply-To: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk
Organization: Synapse Computer Consultants
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

dmr@rugrat.Corp.Sun.COM (Daniel M. Rosenberg) writes:
: Hi folks --
: 	I'd like to hook up a decent, not-too-expensive Scanner to my
: Slab, and then doctor the photographs. Does anyone out there have
: a scanner they're pretty pleased with, a drawing program they can use
: to manipulate the resulting bitmaps?
: 

I have the HSD Scan-X Colour and think it is brilliant.  The New software
is fantastic, but it does not let you do what you wish to do for
editing, mostly just to control the actual scanning, colours, and so
on...

I too am interested in TIFF manipulation programmes, but have found any
yet that do anything more than rotate the image...any hints on
this appreciated as well.

Scott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)
Subject: Re: Prices on c.s.n.announce
Reply-To: eps@cs.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:04:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.175945.1@capd.jhuapl.edu>
	waltrip@capd.jhuapl.edu writes:
>	Now there's a neat idea...addresses the only objection I've seen to
>	prices in c.s.n.announce.  Now what's that procedure for proposing a
>	new newsgroup again?

You--and you alone--post a message to biz.config stating your
intention to create a new BIZ group (that's BIZ, as in "the ONLY
appropriate place for blatently commercial postings") with some
reasonable name like biz.next.newprod.  Wait a few days.  Issue
a formal newgroup if there are no objections.  Announce the
establishment of the new group in c.s.n.a, but advise people not
to post to it for a few more days to give news administrators
time to ensure its propagation.

You'll have your group in no time flat, and those of us who value
c.s.n.* for useful information content will appreciate having
"our" newsgroups back.

					-=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: modman@liveware.com
Subject: Re: expanding the dock
Keywords: WORMHOLE expansion dock group productivity
Reply-To: modman@liveware.com
Organization: Liveware Corporation   Fort Collins, CO.  USA.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:41:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.181028.5089@newsgate.sps.mot.com> reed@prism.sps.mot.com  
(Tim Reed) writes:
> 
> I know this has been asked before, but I don't remember the answers.  
> Is there any way to expand the dock to hold more than 13 apps? What  
> about NeXTstep 3.0?
> 
> --
> -----------------------------------
> Tim Reed
> Motorola Inc.
> Prism CIM System Admin.
> reed@prism.sps.mot.com
> -----------------------------------

Without risk of being bashed, I must say out Wormhole product
does what you need, with unlimited number of groupings,
modules and other things like group launch, hide and quit...

Todd Nathan
Liveware Corporation
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