HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Jake-S@cup.portal.com (Jake G Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Programmers Calculator?
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 09:31:15 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
  <C121sA.EIq@iat.holonet.net> <1993Jan21.151325.4632@mixcom.com>
  <21JAN199314125523@pavo.concordia.ca>

With respect to EduCalc selling HP16C calculators, at the Winter CES, Jim
Carter said (or was it Richard Nelson?) that at the rate they are selling,
they should have a three month's supply left. However, after that, there are
no more. Apparently, HP had more of the 16C's than they had of the 11C and
15C units that were "found" last year. The others sold out very quickly. 
There were 4-5 times as many 16C's found and EduCalc's supply is the last
batch of them (from what they said). The more I used my 16C the more I
grew to respect the machine.
     With respect to the 16C emulator for the HP48, this is a library which
redefines the keyboard to provide FULL HP16C functionality in the HP48
environment. The RPL stack is the same, but entry of integers does not
require the pound-sign delimiter. However, reals may be entered and manip-
ulated as well. As long as the real number has a decimal point or EEX in it,
the rewritten parser knows that the desired number is to be a real and not
an integer. Both signed (1's and 2's compliment modes) and unsigned numbers
are supported with word sizes from 1 to 64 bits. Signed negative numbers
in decimal base are shown as negative (with the minus sign) like in the 16C.
The A through F keys have been moved to PRIMARY key positions on row 4 so
ALPHA is not needed to enter hex numbers. Another mode allows scientific 
math with reals, returning the row-4 functionality to the log, trig and
exponential functions without leaving the emulator. Ther are over 60 
functions in the library and virtually all of them are available in the
user's HP48 programs. It is hoped that the thing makes the next EduCalc
catalog (#59) which is scheduled to {be mailed in late February, I think.
Since the catalogs move at a snail's pace through the U.S. mail, we'll
have to post something later on when the library is really out the door.
It includes floppy disk, 4-color keyboard overlay and spiral-bound printed
manual. We're hoping to sell it for $39.95. (That's five bucks cheaper
than a 16C and manual from EduCalc.) A ROM card based version may come later
in the Spring. 
     Hey, if we sell a few dozen, I'll be happy :-)

Jake Schwartz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Subject: Differential Equations
Reply-To: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Phoenix, AZ
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:11:52 GMT


    This is for those asking about DE's in a recent thread...

    After receiving an Educalc catalog, I noticed 2 application cards that
    solve DE's.  Here's the info:
    
    "Bringslid - HS/College Math Pac:  Algebra, including functions of 1 or
    several variables and graphs, complex numbers and linear equations with
    parameters.  Definite integrals.  Symbolic integration by partial
    fractions, by parts, by substitution.  Improper integrals. 
    Differential equations and initial-value problems and separable
    equations.  First-order DEs; second-order DEs by undetermined
    coefficients and Lagrange method.  Binomial, power and geometric
    series.  Convergence by ratio, Leibnitz and integral tests. - $93.95"
    
    "John Holland's - HP48SX Engineering Mathematics Library: Complete,
    with statistics, linear algebra and digital signal and data processing. 
    Over 300 tabulations of complex math functions, most to 10-digit
    accuracy.  Single-button plotting of all HP48, MATHLIB, and all real
    and complex user-defined functions stored in the VAR directory -
    linear, semi-log and log-log plots with titles and labeled axes.  36
    user-friendly menus.  Vector and matrix language, so you can manipulate
    arrays without dealing with the elements.  Over 100 statistical
    operations and tests.  Over 50 statistical probability distributions
    and their inverses.  Over 100 data and signal processing operations. 
    Series, rational, and polynomial and least-squares approximations. 
    Over 200 vector and matrix commands plus 50 symbolic commands. 
    Evaluation of complex contour integrals, residues, symbolic inverse
    Laplace and Z transforms.  Runge-Kutta numerical and symbolic solutions
    for scalar, vector, and simultaneous Differential Equations.  Symbolic
    and numerical solutions of state space matrix differential and
    difference equations.  Over 200 algebra operations, including 3
    powerful complex-coefficient polynomial root-solvers.  Over 50 data
    editing, sorting, windowing, clipping, and peak and valley analysis
    commands.  Numerical differentiation and integration.  Solves a 40 x 40
    system of linear equations in under 4 minutes! - $139.95"

--

    Mike
    
    "in this day & age...music performed by humans...hum?!" 
       - wilde silas tomkyn
From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: what is this object type
Date: 21 Jan 93 00:36:09
Organization: University of Oregon Chemistry Stores
NNTP-Posting-Host: miser.uoregon.edu
In-reply-to: billw@hpcvra.cv.hp.com's message of Wed, 20 Jan 1993 23:51:35 GMT

In article <226650007@hpcvra.cv.hp.com> billw@hpcvra.cv.hp.com
(William C Wickes) writes:

   An object displayed as <#nnnnn> is a system binary.  These objects are
   used commonly in system RPL programs but generally don't appear to
   the user.  If a program leaves one on the stack, there must be a
   bug in the program.  

Well, that might be true of the HP 48 ROM programs, but I could
imagine a lot of user-written system RPL programs that could be
working perfectly well and return a system binary to the stack.
--
Steve VanDevender 	stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu
"Bipedalism--an unrecognized disease affecting over 99% of the population.
Symptoms include lack of traffic sense, slow rate of travel, and the
classic, easily recognized behavior known as walking."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: brianw@iat.holonet.net (Brian Walsh)
Subject: BBS hours change
Organization: HoloNet
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:55:37 GMT

Effective immediately, hours of operation of my bulletin board system shall
change to 10pm to 7am CST daily, instead of 11pm to 8am.  Please note that
at other times you will be greeted by voice or by an answering machine.  If
you would like to log on at another time such as earlier in the evening or
during the day on weekends, feel free to call by voice and request access.

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all of you great folks from the
Chicago area and from all over the US and Canada who have logged on to see
what the BBS has to offer, for calling back to continue enjoying the board,
and for sharing what you can with fellow users of HP handhelds and palmtops.

Summary information:    Nybble's Byte HP handhelds BBS
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From: ramos@engr.LaTech.edu (Alex Ramos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Possible Rev J. incompatibility
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:37:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: aurora.1k3pcnINNqct
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantis.engr.latech.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

I friend of mine got a Rev.J today. We transfered GATEWAY (J.Horn disk #7)
and what happened was a crash as I'd never seen before - the re-boot proce-
dure itself entered an infinite loop.
File corruption is unlikely since we transferred HP-to-HP and it worked
on mine (Rev.E). So, there is the first incompatible app. Any others?

    ^BTW, the equation writer really IS about 5 times faster when deleting|


--

/* ramos@engr.Latech.edu                     
                                            
                Fala-se Portugues, tche!     
		English spoken here.
*/ 
From: rrd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ray Depew)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:48:58 GMT
Subject: Re: Volts vs. amps
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

In comp.sys.hp48, rwed@gnu.ai.mit.edu (N7YVM) writes:

>  Can anybody recommend a good book on assembly programming on the 48?

"Voyage au Centre de la HP48" is still the best book out there.


Regards
Ray Depew
Integrated Circuits Business Division
Hewlett Packard Co, Fort Collins, Colorado
rrd@hpfiqa.fc.hp.com
From: hoford@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (John Hoford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: C compiler for HP48
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:57:35 GMT
Organization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center

In article <STEVEV.93Jan21105429@miser.uoregon.edu> stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) writes:

> C is a reasonably good language
>for developing larger applications, but it is also difficult,
>arcane, and not designed for interactive, incremental program
>development.  C has its place, but not on the HP 48.  System RPL
>is by necessity the systems programming language of the HP 48,
>and Saturn assembler the language of choice for the low-level and
>time-critical applications.  You could write a C-like compiler
>for the HP 48, but I do't think you could really implement ANSI C
>well on its architecture.

I don't think thats what any one wants to do.
What C does well is enable you to write efficent ,low level code 
in a easily writable manner.
That is the capability that I would like.

>
>Just because a machine can be programmed in assembly language
>doesn't mean that it can or should have a C compiler.  C is not
>the be-all and end-all of programming languages, and any serious
>programmer should be able to work in a variety of languages.

For Fast code the only choice on the 48 is assembly which is difficult
for the same reason it is difficult to make a C compiler.

what would be ideal is :
A C like compiler that is adapted to working in the
48 enviroment. 
It's main is called with the stack an argument.
it has access to all the functions of hpl. 
It has functions for creating things on the stack
IT has some Hi speed screen IO functions.

I know that I could use my HP more if I had something like this.

John D. Hoford
From: akcs.wiley@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Paul Abbott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Seattle BBS back online (again)
Keywords: seattle bbs
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:40:02 GMT

OK, let's try this again.......

Due to a bad communications driver in OS/2, the R.P.N. BBS did not
function properly when it reopened on 1/25. I have replaced the
communications driver and have confirmed that you can connect with the
BBS at at least 2400bps. Please let me know if there are any problems
connecting at rpnbbs@u.washington.edu.

          The (R)eally (P)luvial (N)ode in Seattle, WA
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From: akcs.dmankin@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (David Mankin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Re: Non HP RAM Cards?!?  Not for $40 for 32K, I hope...
Date: 17 Jan 93 21:40:03 GMT

Can the HP-48 use RAM cards bigger than 128K???? I've heard talk of 256K,
and even 512K cards...Can these really be used in a 48SX??  I'd really
like to know before I purchase a ram card.

Someone who knows, PALEASE reply to this.

David Mankin
dmankin@bvsd.co.edu
From: ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca (ochealth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Taking exams?
Date: 23 Jan 1993 21:39:58 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In article <hdev.727811494@dutiag> hdev@dutiag.tudelft.nl (Hans de Vreught) writes:
:kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:
:
:>In article <hdev.727700672@dutiai> hdev@dutiai.tudelft.nl (Hans de Vreught) writes:
:
:>>The word of
:>>one man against another doesn't work in court. Even worse, since you accuse
:>>him of cheating, you'll have to supply the evidence. If not, well, how much
:>>money can you get from a slander law suit?
:
:>Hmm.  Perhaps the professor should say nothing, but be allowed to require
:>the student to take another exam, covering the same material.  This puts an
:>undue hardship on the professor, but at least gets rid of the legal
:>problems.
:
:Not over here. States laws prohibits universities to make even such a rule.
:
:>>[stuff about students in the Netherlands suing teachers]
:
:>Yikes.  Some people take their civil liberties a little too seriously.  Or
:>perhaps some jurors have their heads screwed on backwards...
:
:Actually over here (and many other countries as well) we only have trial by
:judge, not by jury. A jury is more likely to disbelieve the cheaters if they
:say they didn't cheat regardless if they did or did not cheat. So the jury is
:unlawfully biased against the cheaters. In a trial by judge the judge is
:impartial (well in theory). He has no choice but to presume that the cheaters
:are innocent (although he knows they are guilty as hell).

Some research shows that jurors often don't pay much attention, (sleep, etc.)
or determine guilt or innocence by personal theories, whether the lawyer is
good looking etc. I've read some pretty frightening stuff about the juries
occaisionally get to their verdicts. But still, in the common law tradition,
you and your lawyer have some influence in the jury selection process,
and in theory, you are supposed to be judged by your peers, not by an agent
of the state (the judge). I suppose there is less threat today that the judge 
is just another tool of the state, compared to when our procedures were
formed, hundreds of years ago.
:--
:Hans de Vreught                          | John von Neumann:
:hdev@dutiba.twi.tudelft.nl               | Young man, in mathematics
:Delft University of Technology (TWI-ThI) | you don't understand things,
:The Netherlands                          | you just get used to them.


-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca
From: mheiskan@hut.fi (Mika Heiskanen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: SADHP 1.01 in uncwil
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:49:42 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: comp
Reply-To: mheiskan@vipunen.hut.fi
NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-13.hut.fi


I uploaded new version of the SAD disassembler into /Uploads at
seq.uncwil.edu. Changes include both major & small bug fixes, rewrite of rpl
disassembly and of course some new features.

Example .formats1 file for the StrWrt3 library in uncwil:
(Which doesn't work)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
80000:r
805DA:a19
80600:c
80845:r
821D7:a14
821F3:c
82860:2a14
82898:c
83971:g1
839D1:c
83A43:g34
83D73:c
83F34:c
83F89:c
84392:a15
843B0:c
843DA:c
844A3:x3
84776:c
84941:g34
850B1:c
85303:a22
85463:c
8619E:a10
861C6:c
86201:x2
862F1:c
8632C:8g2
873F2:x1,2x3
87530:x1,2x3
876B6:x1,2x3
877C4:x1,2x3
877EA:x1,2x3
87810:x1,2x3
878A1:x1,2x3
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
--> mheiskan@vipunen.hut.fi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: smburke@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sean M Burke)
Subject: Re: Taking exams? (was: Extending the IR Port)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:56:28 GMT

In article <hdev.727606965@dutiai> hdev@dutiai.tudelft.nl (Hans de Vreught) writes:

>Hm..., six feet? Is that the distance between you and your neighbour during
>your next exam :-)? But more seriously: this will be the next *major* problem
>with calcs like the HP48 during exams.
>
>The range of the HP95LX is much larger. I can use it as a RC through my
>entire room.

I've used my 48 as a RC over distances of about 12 feet with no problems. .
Now if only the receiver was that good.



-- 
Sean M. Burke   \ "Love is what goes on while you're NOT horny. . ."
Burke.63@osu.edu \_________ "You live and learn.  Or you don't live long."
bf274@cleveland.freenet.edu\______ "While we live, let us LIVE!"
IRC: Hanz (No, I won't pump U up.)\__________________________________________
From: flavio@cflav.sublink.org (Flavio Casetta)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Sorting With SmartROM
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:05:03 GMT
Organization: Flavio Casetta, Reg'd HP ISV & OEM of handheld computers.

akcs.joehorn@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Joseph K. Horn) writes:

> Note well that Jim Donnelly's TLLIB (Tool Library) which comes with
> his HP 48 Programmer's ToolKit, can do it in one simple step:
> 
>             +-------------------------------------------+
>             |  <# of lists> <# of sort key> LSORT DROP  |
>             +-------------------------------------------+
> 
> Sorting them using the third column as the key would of course be done
> by 8 3 LSORT DROP.
> 
> I guess TLLIB is one of those "seldom" cases Flavio was referring to.
> 


Does LSORT work magically ? 


Greetings,

Flavio

__
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re:  Micro waves and fat and water
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:21:54 GMT

In article <1k1k14INNcel@emmental.csv.warwick.ac.uk> phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S J Liddicott) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.170009.6693@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
> >In article <1993Jan23.181227.19615@ugle.unit.no> eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen) writes:
> >>In article <1993Jan23.030545.24088@netcom.com>, payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
> >> > In article <1993Jan19.164320.14325@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:
> >> > >use a different frequency than radar dishes, though you're quite right that
> >> > >both are technically microwaves.  (Microwave ovens are tuned to create the
> >> > >greatest loss tangent in water.)
> >> > Really, then why do fats heat so much faster?
> >>Specific heat capacity?  More energy required per unit mass to heat by one 
> >>degree (pick your unit)?  Think about it... :)
> >No need to think about it. The claim was made that microwaves are tuned to heat
> >-water-. This is not true. This was the point which I was attempting to address,
> >unsuccessfully it would seem.
>
>I think they are tuned to get the greatest heat transfer to water.
>*Not* so that water will be heated better than anything else.

My understanding is that different countries use different frequencies
for microwaves, none of which are of any significance WRT water. There was
a protracted discussion on this in sci.skeptic.
 
>The fact that the same frequency also heats fats well is by the by;
>no doubt a frequency could be picked which wouldn't heat fats much, but
>than as far as the water goes, it wouldn't be the best.
 
Someone already posted the correct answer, fat has a much lower heat capacity
water.
 
>-- 
>*----------*-------------------------------------------------------------*
>| Sam   Jam|"Never underestimate the importance of a cheap laugh"-       |
>| Liddicott| phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk                     Plucky Duck TTA |
>*------------------------------------------------------------------------*


Rich

payner@netcom.com
From: gt8769a@prism.gatech.EDU (LANKFORD,JOHN SPENCE)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: seq.uncwil.edu
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:40:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: seq.uncwil.edu
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Keywords: 

I'm having trouble loging onto seq.uncwil.edu.  can someone help?
-- 
LANKFORD,JOHN SPENCE
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson)
Subject: Re: C compiler for HP48
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:32:17 GMT

In <1k1jl0INNccl@emmental.csv.warwick.ac.uk> phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S J Liddicott) writes:
>I dropped him a line, and thus he writes (giving permission for me to 
>quote him here):
>sooooooooooooo  any volunteers to continue the project.

I don't know why I'm telling you this :-), but it would seem to
me that the logical person to take over such a project would
be Jan Britteonson <bson@gnu.ai.mit.edu> because:

	a) He wrote STAR and intimately familiar w/ the 48
	b) He was supposed to be (last I heard) writing the GNU
C interpreter for the FSF, and thus presumably has a C compiler
background.

Unfortunately, he's probably too busy, but it seems to me he'd be the
person to ask.

--
John Hawkinson
jhawk@panix.com
From: borys@skyfox
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: RE: My HP got SOAKED!
Date: 21 JAN 93 21:42:18 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: sask.usask.ca

I've washed off dried, sticky coke that was left congealed on the keypad for 2
days (don't ask), and was able to use it right away.  However, I tried to
keep the water away from the expansion port.  I'm not sure if water can seep
in through the keypad, but if so, it didn't seem to bother the operation of
the 48 at all.



  Colin Borys                |  Famous last words:
  BORYS@sask.usask.ca        |  "Hey you...ya, you in the red shirt,
  University of Saskatchewan |   I've got a job for you..."

From: rrd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ray Depew)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 22:16:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Mac linking with an HP48sx
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

"NT!  OS/2!  NT!  OS/2!  NT!  OS/2!  NT!  OS/2! NT!  OS/2!  NT!  OS/2!  ..."

OH NOOOOOO!  Not here too!

> This is not the place for Windows vs. OS/2 wars; followups to email, if at
> all.

Thank you.  Couldn't have said it better myself.  Followups to someone else's
email.


R
R
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Ver J and Gateway
From: <MKHORTOP@MTUS5.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 25 Jan 1993 22:26:27 EST
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.












Sorry if this has been discussed before but  DON'T try to put
Gateway on a Ver J calc.  It gives the Hp the flu or something cause the
Hp wants to upchuck all your memory.  Granted if you
have Ver J. you probably don't have an extensive collection of
original work yet but still its a pain in the ass (especially for the
new user).

Hope this helps someone.
-matt




     Safty tip #452:   Just say "NO" to yellow snow


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