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From: nosmo@ximage.COM (Vince Kraemer)
Subject: Error handler flow control
Reply-To: nosmo@ximage.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:54:22 GMT

I am writing a simple set of copy/paste routines for a form based
application.  I have gotten the "simple" error free case to work fine.
Now I want to deal with Alloc errors in XChangeProperty "correctly" by
using an incremental transfer scheme for large selections.

Since I cannot tell how big a property is "too big", it seems that the
only way to do this is to change strategies in an error handler.

(Is there a way to tell what "too big" is?  That could make this whole
question moot, which I wouldn't mind a bit.)

My problem is fairly simple, where does the error handler return to, if
I say return in it? Does it return to the place where I set it (similar
to longjmp), to the line after the request which generated the error, or
someplace else completely?

Thanks
vbk
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: larry@worldbank.org (Larry W Austin, 885/72)
Subject: Re: Workstation printing from within X
Reply-To: larry@worldbank.org
Organization: The World Bank
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:33:43 GMT

Hummingbird has a product called HCL-eXtend, which provides some PC-to-'X-host' capabilities.  It appears to 
allow files to be transferred from the host to the PC over private extensions to the X protocol.  You may want to
check into this...

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: kent@loral.cts.com (Kent Yang)
Subject: Help on building X11R5 on Solaris 2.1
Organization: Loral Instrumentation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 21:56:20 GMT

Has anyone build X11R5 on a Sun running Solaris 2.1?  If you have, 
I would appreciate any information you can send me.  For example, known 
problems and ways to get around them, configuration/Makefile issues, 
compiler issues, etc...  If this information has been compiled by
someone or is available in a FAQ or at a FTP site, can someone let me
know where it is.  Thanks in advance.

Kent Yang

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From: akkana@moab.wpd.sgi.com (Akkana Peck)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Changing the background of a pixmap
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:00:21 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: moab.wpd.sgi.com

[Several people ask for a way to change the background of a pixmap]

In article <1993Jan21.180752.10676@gecko.uucp> lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo) writes:
>The answer basically is "you can't do it right now".
>The problem is that the symbols are Pixmaps which just happen to be
>initially generated from bitmaps using the foreground and background
>color, but once they are created they remain intact.
>
>For most cases this makes sense.  If you had installed your own multi-color
>pixmap, you certainly wouldn't want the widget suddenly altering some
>pixels in the pixmap just because they happened to coincide with the 
>widget's foreground or background colors.

But there's a case which seems to come up quite often: a multi-color
pixmap where you want the background (the area outside the pixmap) to be
the same as the background of the parent widget/window, but you want the
rest of the pixmap to retain its own colors.

In Xlib, this is quite easy to do: make a bitmap containing the mask of
the shape (everything in the pixmap that you don't consider
"background"), then every time you draw the pixmap, first do an
XSetClipMask() with that bitmap.

In Motif, it's harder -- you can do Xlib drawing onto a DrawnButton or
DrawingArea, but if you want to use a Label or ToggleButton and use
XmNlabelPixmap, you're out of luck.

Of course, if you only want to change the background *once* before you
draw the pixmap the first time, that's easy too: figure out what the
current background color is, turn the pixmap into an Image and loop over
it changing the background color to the new color, then turn it back into
a pixmap.

>Sounds like an enhancement request to me ... 

Seems to me that it would be very useful for Motif labels to offer an
XmNlabelMask as well as XmNlabelPixmap.  For Xlib, I don't see that any
enhancement is necessary (though a more standard format for file storage
of color pixmaps would be a godsend!)

	...Akkana       akkana@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: scott@ryptyde.cts.com (Scott McClure)
Subject: xdm won't start...
Organization: Ryptyde TimeSharing, San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:45:56 GMT


Hi all,
	I've got X11R4 running on a Sun 3/260.  I can run X from the
command line with 'startx' or 'xinit', but I can't get xdm to work
from /etc/rc.local or the command line.  I ran it several times with
the -debug option, and it runs through the list of things in xdm-config,
then says "WaitForSomething" and just hangs.  I created all the necessary
files (I think) according to the X Window System User's Guide from O'Reilly.
Still no go.  I checked the FAQ, and I don't see anything about this in
it.     

Any ideas?  Please reply via email.  I'll post a summary if there is 
enough interest.  With my luck, it's a FAQ somewhere and I'm going to 
catch some flamage.... 8-)

Thanks in advance,

Scott

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: raney@teal.csn.org (Scott Raney)
Subject: Re: Max Property size
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: comp.window.x
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:00:03 GMT

nosmo@nov8.ximage.com (Vince Kraemer) writes:


>Is there a way to determine the maximum size of a property that is
>allowed on server?  I have selections which may be large and would like
>a way to find out sooner (before I generate a Alloc error) rather than
>later.

The problem is worse than you realize: trying to get a large property
(more than 64K) from an IBM RS/6000 server causes the console to lock
up, requiring a reboot to clear (releases 3.2.2 and earlier, at
least).  We've run into a 64K limit on other systems as well, so I
consider 64K the maximum safe size.

The limit may be smaller on some servers, however, and I don't know
how to tell when it's going to be a problem.  This problem is
especially serious on PC and Mac X-servers which are prone to memory
management woes.

>thanks
>vbk
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: robert@triton.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Angelino)
Subject: Running X11R4 and X11R5 on the same workstation???
Reply-To: robert@triton.Jpl.Nasa.Gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena CA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 23:35:24 GMT


We have both versions on the system and sometimes we want to run stuff
that runs in X11R4 but we can't because the links (/usr/lib/X11,
/usr/bin/X11, etc.) all point to the X11R5 directory.  There should
be an env var like X11HOME that can be set or something like it.

The only other way is for me to call the SA and have him change the
damn links.  And let me tell you, he doesn't like changing links
twice a day.  We've thought about a script file, but that would violate
some SA rules about running scripts with setuid.

We can't convert the X11R4 apps because they're third party.

HELP!!!!!!!!!


-robert



Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: girish@thompson.cs.uakron.edu (CS Girish)
Subject: Info. request on ftp sites/ widgets.
Keywords: ftp, widgets,electromagnetic CADD
Organization: The University of Akron, Akron, Ohio
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 23:00:19 GMT

Hi,

'm trying to develop an output section to an Electromagnetic CADD package using
 X-win. (using Athena widgets). I've to plot some graphs like Equipotential line
s, contour graphs etc,. Are there any ftp sites where such widgets are available
? Also would it be possible to use GKS for the same purpose?

Any help and guidelines in this matter would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks,

C.S. Girish - girish@joy.cs.uakron.edu

Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,vmsnet.misc,comp.os.vms
From: rugotzke@geisel.nevada.edu (Dan Rugotzke)
Subject: Re: 'Virtual' window manager
Organization: University of Nevada System, Computing Services
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:53:12 GMT

tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot) writes:
: 
: In article <C15GCC.2zw@cck.coventry.ac.uk>, csg078@cch.coventry.ac.uk
: (~Zebedee~) writes:
: >Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the 'virtual' window managers
: >(ovwm and tvwm, I think)?
: >
: >It's where you have a area many times bigger than the screen, and can group
: >windows in the different 'virtual' screen areas, and switch between them.
: >(Similar to NeXTs virtual window manager).
: 
: Does anyone know of one of these that works with DECwindows/Motif 1.1 on VMS?
: I'm beginning to have too many icons. :-)
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	Yes, I use vtwm with VMS DECwindows Motif 1.1.  In fact, (if I
	remember correctly), Motif is required to run twm and vtwm.
	Twm is available via anonymous ftp from public.tgv.com in 
	directory [.mahan].  It is also available in the DECUS
	library.  I may be able to put my copy up for anonymous ftp.
	Let me know if you are interested.

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: gaspar@STEPSUN.ARMY.MIL (Al Gaspar)
Subject: Workstation printing from within X
Reply-To: gaspar@st-louis-emh2.ARMY.MIL
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:09:18 GMT


    We have a LOT of PCs at our site with attached printers.  A number of
users are converting from using these PCs as dumb terminals (currently
most are using FTP Software's PC/TCP to connect to our UNIX boxes) to
using them as X servers with Hummingbird's HCL eXceed/W.

    With the straight connect with PC/TCP we were able to write a program
to send a job to their workstation printer because PC/TCP emulates a vt102
rather than just a plain (no print capability) vt100.  Hummingbird's telnet
emulates a vanilla vt100; so it doesn't allow you to print if using that
directly.

    When using Hummingbird's X server with PC/TCP, you still can't
use the workstation printer directly.  I think I understand why this
is--there isn't a way to separate what was coming from one xterm (pty)
and going to the screen and what was coming from another and destined for
the printer.  What I was wondering was if there was some way around this
that would give us back at least some of the functionality of having attached
printers at our workstations?  Thanks for any help, advice, suggestions...

Cheers--

Al

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From: roy@zooks.eng.mcmaster.ca (Roy Underhill)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Openlook/Motif
Summary: Try OpenWindows
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:27:21 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Mech. Eng., McMaster University

In article <9365.9301201507@subnode.bradford.ac.uk> thiru@bradford.ac.UK writes:

>I am trying to find out whether any of you 
>use both Openlook and Motif on the same workstation.
>If you do I would like to contact you.

	With no comment on the cost or other practicality issues, the
OpenWindows, version 3, windowing system from Sun claims to be able 
to simultaneously handle openlook, motif, sunview and postscript.
I have seen all except motif operating smoothly in the advertised
manner.  The stations involved have no motif applications.  So, I
don't know for sure that it really does work for them.
	Good Luck,

Roy
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From: hcrms@porpoise.chvpkh.chevron.com (m s craig)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Buffering/Flushing problem?
Date: 28 Jan 93 05:56:19 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1993Jan28.050517.9473@nntpserver.chevron.com> hcrms@porpoise.chvpkh.chevron.com (m s craig) writes:
>I am using XDrawLines to connect points in order to draw curves.
>Each curve consists of 500 points. Graphs that contain 3 or more
>curves are plotted fine, but graphs that only contain only one
>or two curves are only sometimes plotted. In the latter case,
>I may run the program successfully the first time (i.e. the
>one or two curves are plotted), but if I try to immediately run
>it again I get only a blank window, the curves aren't drawn.
>The only way I can get the program to consistently work
>with single-curve graphs is if I put a printf in the for-loop
>that reads the data. (It seems like if I slow it down a bit, it
>works). 
>
>I suspect a buffering problem - I tried putting XFlush and XSync 
>after the XDrawlines but that didn't work. Any suggestions?
>
More info: the problem only occurs when I am running on a remote host
and displaying locally. When I run the program locally I don't have
the problem.

    Mitch Craig - hcrms@porpoise.chvpkh.chevron.com
       San Ramon, Calif.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: jbore@relay.shearson.com (Joe Bore)
Subject: xgranite wanted
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:49:48 GMT

I am desperately looking for the sources to xgranite.  I know this is
an old program and i'm not sure if there is an up to date (r4? worse,
r5?) version around, but i figure this is the place to ask.

btw, xgranite just changes your root window to look like a slab of
granite.

jb

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: robert@triton.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Angelino)
Subject: Has anyone succesfully compiled the XINPUT extension for X11R5??
Reply-To: robert@triton.Jpl.Nasa.Gov
Organization: JPL
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:38:16 GMT

I'm getting a nasty ld error when trying to compile Xsun and Xsunmono.
Here is the output:

cc -O -pipe -o Xsun ddx/sun/sunInit.o ddx/sun/libsun.a dix/libdix.a \
os/libos.a .././lib/Xau/libXau.a .././lib/Xdmcp/libXdmcp.a \
.././fonts/lib/font/libfont.a ddx/cfb/libcfb.a ddx/mfb/libmfb.a \
ddx/mi/libmi.a .././extensions/server/xinput/libxinput.a \
.././extensions/server/libext.a \
.././extensions/server/PEX/dipex/dispatch/libdidipex.a \
.././extensions/server/PEX/dipex/swap/libdiswapex.a \
.././extensions/server/PEX/dipex/objects/libdiobpex.a \
.././extensions/server/PEX/dipex/dispatch/libdidipex.a \
.././extensions/server/PEX/ddpex/mi/level4/libddpex4.a \
.././extensions/server/PEX/ddpex/mi/level3/libddpex3.a \
.././extensions/server/PEX/ddpex/mi/shared/libddpexs.a \
.././extensions/server/PEX/ddpex/mi/level2/libddpex2.a \
.././extensions/server/PEX/ddpex/mi/level1/libddpex1.a \
.././extensions/server/PEX/ospex/libospex.a -lm -ldbm 

ld: Undefined symbol 
_ChangeKeyboardDevice 
_OpenInputDevice 
_AddOtherInputDevices 
_CloseInputDevice 
_ChangePointerDevice 
_SetDeviceValuators 
_SetDeviceMode 

Now, I ran strings on .././extensions/server/xinput/libxinput.a and
greped all those undefined symbols above and they're all in there.
I also tried adding the library as the last library just before
the "-lm -ldbm" and it still gave me the same error.

Has anyone done this??


thanks

-robert
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: e-sink@uiuc.edu (Eric W. Sink)
Subject: Blank out part of a screen
Originator: sink@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: e-sink@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:52:37 GMT

My app wants to be able to black out the entire screen with the exception
of part of one window.  The idea is that there is something I want to
take a photograph of, and I don't want any other applications, or even
anything else in that window to appear in the picture.  After I'm done
I want to generate exposures as necessary to restore everything back the
way it was.

Any ideas ?

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: burn@comperex.cx.oz.au (Burn Alting)
Subject: Need Thai Language fonts for X
Organization: Comperex Australia Pty Limited
Distribution: world
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:33:19 GMT
Keywords: Thai, fonts, X


	Hi,

	Does anyone know of any Thai language (written character set)
fonts suitable for X (or conversion to)?

Burn Alting
Comperex Australia Pty Limited
burn@comperex.cx.oz.au
From: snail@lsl.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Motif numbers per Open Systems Today & X Business Group
Date: 25 Jan 93 12:50:19 GMT
Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd., Cambridge

In article <1jku7kINNn4k@shelley.u.washington.edu>, sinan@carson.u.washington.edu (Sinan Karasu) writes:
> So if there are 7000 sites with 142 machines per site
> then 1% uniform Motif distribution results in 
> approximately " 78% of all sites has Motif running
> on at least on one machine".
> 
>  Interesting Statistics? I thought so.Credible? You judge.
>  BTW Open Systems Today again used these statistics in an 
>  article today. So It Goes.

So what? That means these people have gone to the effort of getting something
that is better than what they got lumbered with buying from Sun.

Find any other vendors shipping OpenLook with their kit? Lets try a few....

IBM			No
Data General		No
DEC			No
Hewlett Packard		No
Silicon Graphics	No

Funny, they all supply Motif based interfaces. I wonder why?

Oh yes, every Sun we VAR, gets Motif on it for our customers. No complaints,
I wonder why?
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Xref: sparky comp.windows.x:21592 comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt:740
From: thole@cs.rulimburg.nl (Johan Thole)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt
Subject: conversion of .snf fonts to .rtx fonts
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:48:57 GMT
Organization: University of Limburg, Maastricht

Hello,

I have tried to convert some X11R4 fonts from snf-format to rtx-format to
use them on an IBM RT running AIX 2.2.1 and X11R3. I have used ``snftortx''
to convert them to rtx-format and have used ``fixrtx -h'' afterwards to
avoid scaling problems. This process has not given any errors.

The thus created fonts are usable on the RT, but only the top half of the
characters is visible. Moreover, it seems that the black pixels which
compose a character are alternated with white pixels. The letter
``C'', for instance, looks as follows:


  # # # # #

#           #

#


Does anybody know what is going on? For your information, the X11R4 fonts
are retrieved from a Sun3.

Thanks in advance,

Johan Thole.
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: gildea@expo.lcs.mit.EDU (Stephen Gildea)
Subject: Re: Why X libraries are not reentrant?
Organization: X Consortium, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:44:12 GMT

Kaleb's summary is good, but I do want to add one small point.
Multi-threading allows you to handle re-entrancy, but it is not
the same thing.

With a threads environment which allows per-thread signal handling,
you can have a different thread from any threads already in Xlib
safely call Xlib from a signal handler.

 < Stephen
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif
From: Uwe.Illig@launchpad.unc.edu (Uwe Illig)
Subject: X-Extensions on a VAX-Station  - info needed
Keywords: extension, x11, server
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:46:52 GMT


Does anybody know, where I can find informations/documentation about
the following X-Server extensions, that I querried from a VAX-Station.
I was unable to find any informations about these in our documentation.

 - DEC-Server-Mgmt-Extension
 - ServerManagementExtension
 - Adobe-DPS-Extension
 - X3D_PEX                    ;Is it standard R5 PEX?
 - DEC-XTRAP
 - Multi-Buffering

I would especially be interrested in the Adobe-DPS-Extension and
the Multi-Buffering-Extension.

Thanks for any help,

         Uwe 
(Illig@fritz.gsi.de)

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From: phil@varian.com (Phil Newton)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Variable Width Font Editor, recommendations???
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:51:34 GMT
Organization: Varian Associates

The only font editor available on my Sun is "fontedit", an old Sunview app.
From: garym@csbvax.uucp (Gary Marcos)
This editor works reliably only with fixed width fonts.

Can you reccommend a font editor which handles variable widths???

I am running under OpenWindows.

Thanks

Gary M.

please post reply to garym@varian.com
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: jv@mh.nl (Johan Vromans)
Subject: Re: 'Virtual' window manager
X-Md4-Signature: e28318696747081e24ceb8610727202a
Organization: Multihouse Automation, the Netherlands
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:56:53 GMT


In article <1993Jan20.123647.5872@iiasa.ac.at> marcus@iiasa.ac.at (Marcus SCHNELL) writes:

> : Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the 'virtual' window managers
> : (ovwm and tvwm, I think)?

Site ftp.eu.net, directory windows/X/R4.contrib:

   231111 Dec 24 15:02 ctwm-2.1.tar.Z
   222045 Sep 24  1991 tvtwm.tar.Z
   199961 Sep 24  1991 vtwm.shar.Z

Plug: I'd stronlgy suggest ctwm.

	Johan
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From: kevin@sherman.sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: building X11R5 and applying patches
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:18:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: /u/irstaff/kevin/.organization

Sorry, forgot to include this info:

The computer is a Sun4 and I am using CC=cc under 4.1.2.


In article <KEVIN.93Jan27094516@sherman.sherman.pas.rochester.edu> kevin@sherman.sherman.pas.rochester.edu (kevin mcfadden) writes:

   Newsgroups: comp.windows.x