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From: gerber@boulder.parcplace.com (Andrew Gerber)
Subject: Rock Solid Ski Attractions
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:49:27 GMT

As mentioned before in this group, "Rock Solid Ski Attractions"
offers weekly information by fax or email of ski deals in Colorado,
from areas such as Purgatory, Crested Butte, Vail, Cuchara Vally and
Ski Cooper, as well as Grand Targhee in Wyoming.

Unfortunatly the service costs $49.00.  However, I talked to Jill
Wisehart (who runs the service) and she has no problem if I was to
forward the weekly email info to a mailing list.  As long as you use
the ID number of the subscriber when making the reservation.

So, if you're interested in this service, send me email.  If we get
49 people it will be $1 each.  If someone has already subscribed and
is willing to forward the info to a mailing list, that would be great
too.

Andy Gerber


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From: limd@teal.csn.org (Davin Lim)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Volki P10
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:12:58 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

In article <BzMJ2o.121@ncube.com> zod@ncube.com writes:
>I was reading the FAQs about the Slalom and GS and
>extreme skis. Does anyone know what Volki P10's 
>category is?
>

Volkl makes a slalom and a GS version of the P10.  The Slalom
is the P10-SL and the GS is the P10-RS.  Both are hard-core,
race ready skis.  These really are only at their best when
skiing race courses (or race-course like conditions.)  They're
certainly not very versatile, though there's a number of
skiers out there who use them all over the mountain.  It's not
because the skis are particularily well suited to bumps,
powder, crud, but more likely that the caliber of skier who
owns these boards is probably able to ski most conditions
well no matter what type of ski happens to be strapped to
his/her feet. 

Volkl's have a great deal of mystique surrounding them.  They're
often thought of as the skis to compare all others against.
They're very expensive (even on "pro-form" for those employed
in the ski industry).  I skied them and they are nice skis, but
I never thought they were the vaunted ski their reputation might
suggest.  Just good, solid performers.  Ice grip as good as
any and ran the gates in a very predictable, neutral manner.
(To be fair, I've only extensively skied the P9's - the p10's
predecessor, but I don't expect the basic "Volkl" character
to have changed too drastically.)

If you're considering purchasing a pair, consider the fact 
that these ski's have a structural layer of metal which
could permanently deform (i.e. stay bent) if flexed too
far - as could happen when skiing the bumps very hard.

-davin lim (limd@arraytech.com)
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From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Colo Ski Report
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:44:15 GMT
Expires: Mon, 1 Feb 1993 02:40:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.235325.18753@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jmelnick@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Melnick) writes:
>  FOR COLORADO TRAVELBANK CALL (303) 671-7669, MODEM (8,N,1) (3-12-24 Baud).
>            FREE Travel & Recreation Information Via Modem.
>The Colorado Snow Report                                    Morning Edition
>Colorado TravelBank
>
>                                     *-EoF-*
>   Reproduced, with permission, from  TravelBank Systems  (303) 671-7669..
>   Multi-Line Computer Information Utility, Travel & Recreation Information.

The daily ski reports on the Colorado Travelbank are a good service.  They're
also available via a recording from Colorado Ski Country, USA at (303)
831-7669. I believe that Colorado Ski Country personnel are actually updating
the TravelBank BBS.

The rest of the TravelBank BBS is the pits. The "information" stored therein
is several years out of date. For money-saving information to the resorts,
no information is better than out-of-date information.

Even worse, the SysOp (presumably, Jay) is censoring messages that people post
to the BBS. I asked repeatedly about the timeliness of the money-saving
information. Each time, my messages were immediately erased.

If you're a fan of out-of-date information and censorship, the Colorado
TravelBank BBS is a great place. If you want a ski report, the Colorado Ski
Country recording will work just fine.	

--phil

Hopefully, Jay won't try to censor *this* message....
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From: zod@ncube.com (Operator)
Subject: Alpine Medows Cond
Reply-To: zod@ncube.com
Organization: nCUBE Corp., Foster City, CA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:46:45 GMT


I went skiing at Alpine Medows last Saturday. The
forcast was for a very cold weather with some winds.
It was the opposite! Sun was shining, and it was very
warm. Lots of snow. Excellent condition :)
There was even fresh powder. There was something for
everyone. Enjoyed to the MAX.
Improved my skiing technic just by learning from this
news group. Bravo!!!

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From: ccmj@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claire Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing in Scotland
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:41:53 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

In article <2630@eagle.ukc.ac.uk>, sc7@ukc.ac.uk (S.Chan) writes:
> Hi,
> Can anyone tell me if it is a good idea to go up to Scotland for
> skiing around the Christmas/New Year period?

As William says, probably not from Kent.

> What are the ski resorts in Scotland? Is there enough snow
> around this time? Where can I get more information as to
> the opening days, accommodation and etc.?

Ski resorts in Scotland include Cairngorm (near Aviemore),
Glenshee, Glencoe, Aonach Mor (or Nevis Range, near Ben Nevis) and
the Lecht. This year, unusually, there has been a lot
of snow. However it can all melt in a few days if there is
warmer weather. The weather is much more extreme than is
usual in the Alps; high winds can close chairlifts, blow
the snow straight off the pistes and generally make skiing
unpleasant. Various expensive (0898) ``ski hot-lines'' will give
you weather and ski reports at the centers. Also I believe
snow reports are on cee-fax.

If anyone is considering a trip up to Scotland (conditions
are better later in the year e.g. March/April) then they might
want to phone 0800-838-166 now for a ``free colour brochure''
called Ski Scotland 92/93 . I have seen a copy of what I think
they are giving away and it is basically an 8-page colour
newspaper which was not stunningly useful but should at least
have some useful phone numbers. Of course you are likely
to get junk mail from this.....(advertised in yesterday's
Scotland on Sunday newspaper).

The local tourist offices are usually quite helpful on
accomodation and have lists of B&B's/hotels etc. and
I think they will book for you for a small fee.

-- 
Claire
ccmj@dcs.ed.ac.uk
(I don't know why I bother with a signature really, all the information
 in it appears (more concisely) in the header right before my eyes.)
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From: keenan@kanga.aero.org (Don Keenan)
Subject: Stevens Pass, WA / Telemarking?		
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA
Distribution: us
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:08:22 GMT

My wife and I are going to spending a week xc-skiing in the
Methow Valley after New Year's. We're considering stopping
at Stevens Pass for a day of telemarking on the way from 
Seattle (actually Edmonds) to the Methow. Can anyone give us
some information on Stevens Pass. Good intermediate runs?
Prices? Crowds (we'll be there Saturday, Jan. 2)? Alternatives?

Also, any recommended places to spend the night or eat on the
east side around Wanatchee (or Cashmere/Levenworth).

Thanks.

Don Keenan  keenan@louploup.aero.org
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: hanson@tss.com (Hanson Loo)
Subject: Re: Question to more advanced skiers (bumps)
Reply-To: hanson@tss.com (Hanson Loo)
Organization: Teknekron Software Systems. Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:54:23 GMT

In article <JON.92Dec30134612@zeus.med.utah.edu>, jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd) writes:

|>    objects).  For some mysterious reason we have decided that the
|>    proper way to control speed is to carve the turns on long skis, 

Hi Jonathan,

You've made some very valid points here, except for the one 
mentioned above. I'm not a great racer, but I do run a lot
of gates. The main reason to carve your turns on course is,
not to control speed, but to lose as little as possible any of 
the speed you currently have. As a matter of fact, you can 
actually go faster than the "natural" slope of the run by 
"jetting" off the tails of your skiis as you exit a turn. 
The guys I race with that win consistently always seem to 
choose the right line and they hold it with carved turns. 
Their timing is excellent and they "blast" through the
flats by expending their own energy. I don't know the
physics behind all this, but it's just what I've been
taught through the years. Enough talk ... just ski!!!

             Hanson

PS:  How are the conditions in Utah? 
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From: leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov (Leo Dagum)
Subject: Re: A question of vanity
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 17:25:02 GMT

In article <Bzrsy3.G8n@apollo.hp.com> cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd) writes:
>
>I'm thinking of putting that 'Ski Saver' protective
>tape stuff on our boards before we use them, to
>keep that pretty (and functionless) topskin lookin'
>good. Has anyone tried this stuff ? Does it work ?
>Can it be removed later (like if it gets all ripped
>and mangled ?) Will the lack of gouges, scratches
>and chunks make lift companions lose respect for
>me ?

Personally, I'm nervous about new skis until the topskins get gouged and
scratched.  Thieves generally prefer new looking skis because they can sell
them more easily.  Once my new skis no longer look new, I can rest easy
since they no longer are an attractive target.

Leo Dagum
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson)
Subject: REVIEW: Hot Chillies Jacket
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:45:23 GMT

This summer, I was fortunate enough to find myself in Jackson Hole, and
there were bargains galore.  I picked up a Hot Chillies jacket, and
impressed enough to do a review of it:


Warmth:  Warmest fleece-type garment I've ever worn (cf. Patagonia, Taiga).  
It's big and lofty, and traps a lot of air.

Wind: It's not windproof, you'll need to wear a shell over it in 
typical skiing weather.

Waterproof: no

Durability: unknown

Material: Mostly polyester, with a bit of cotton thrown in.  There are
other materials which feel better on the skin, but this jacket will rarely
be used without a layer or two underneath.

Styling: well, that's a personal thing, but I have received a few "nice
jacket" compliments.  I'd prefer that clothing manufacturers leave
their labels on the inside of clothes however.

Drawbacks: If you throw it a hot dryer, it will shrink (fortunately I
bought it too big, fits perfectly now :).  Also, it's so lofty, that you
may find it really fills up your shell, may restrict movement slightly and
contribute to the "Michelan Man" look.  Not so much so however that your
arms stick straight out at your sides.  Only other drawback is that it may
actually be too warm for some people and situations!

Price: ?? (I got it on sale for less than $60)

Other options:  I saw some similar jackets at a chain of stores called
"Emporium" the other day.  As best as I could tell, they were almost
identical, without the "Chillies" label.  $44, and likely to be an even 
better buy during the post-Christmas sales.  (Now I have something to get 
for that certain someone who likes my jacket so much she steals it every 
chance she gets :)  If there's enough interest, I can try to find out 
who makes the clones.

All-in-all, a welcome addition to my stable of ski wear, I've used it
extensively camping and skiing a few times this year, and predict it's
going to see a lot more use in its day.
-- 
Grant Robinson -- ClariNet Communications Corp, Sunnyvale, CA 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: halabuda@vms.ecs.rpi.edu
Subject: Re: Snowboarders Suck!!! (more chair reference though)
Reply-To: halabuda@vms.ecs.rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:56:59 GMT

le <1992Dec19.024932.21608@sco.com>, kurtray@sco.COM (Kurt J. Raymond) writes:

>I think I hear you knocking, East Coasters, but you can't come in! :-)
>
>				-kurt(rabblerouser)ray
>

Yeah, I think you hear me knocking, Kurt, and I've got my icepick with me!



Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: kaalberg@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Kris Alberga)
Subject: Re: Are edges necessary for backcountry skiing?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
	While I worked in Lake Placid, we rented both XCD's and Kodiaks.  The 
	If you spend much time in New York, I would sugest that you call or
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 11:04:00 EST

	Good Luck!!!

	Kris

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From: dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar)
Subject: Re: boots
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:56:17 GMT

verghese@boi.hp.com (Phil Verghese) writes:

>The walk position is really handy for getting around the
>lodge, and is a good rest while riding the lift.  There are times that
>the boot jumps back into ski position before I want it to, but that's
>just a minor annoyance.

My Lange 4.81s (same as Rossi Mid 7s?) won't lock in the forward position
if the controlling buckle is in the open position. Open the midmatic (2nd
from top) buckle and bring the boot back out of the ski position. Then 
reconnect the buckle so that it is held in an open position by opening
it as far as it can go and connecting it to the innermost (tightest) notch.

This is fine for lunch or getting back to the hotel, but if you want to
use the walking position a lot, it can be a hassle.

-hd
Rabb di saun fir tainnu
chain na awayga
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mueller@delta.cs.fsu.edu (Frank Mueller)
Subject: Re: Question to more advanced skiers (bumps)
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 20:59:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.035423.4667@wam.umd.edu>, bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak Gohari) writes:
> Dear more advanced skiers:
> ...
> What I usually end up doing is (now don't laugh) to turn so that I actually
> start going up the hill and lose the momentum.  This sounds stupid, and
> looks even worse, so my question is: is there any other way to stop on
> bumps, especially many mini-bumps in a cluster?  Thanks.

I suggest two stages of training:

When you first learn to ski moguls, you should be told to initiate the turn
while on top of the mogul and finish it in the "valley" right below. You
should not turn back into the same mogul (too sharp) or into the next lower
one (too wide). Make it a round turn with controlled, continuous edging (not
abruptly) and, yes, steer back uphills for a short time if you are going too
fast.

You should follow the dotted line.

             ...>...
        >.../ /----\\
             / mogul\\
      <...           /
          \......<../

              /-----\
             / mogul \


You first try to make turns whenever you're in control, then every other
mogul and finally every mogul.

----

When I made the transition from intermediate to expert, someone told me to
try to make two turns per mogul. This sounds impossible first, but when you
take a slope which is not too steep and you try it, you will find out that
you lose a lot of speed by turning more frequently. You can also increase
the use of your edges to slow you down, i.e. each turn will be more emphasized
such that your skis are almost parallel to the mountain (rather than facing
downhills).

----

When it gets real steep, there's only one way: You have to "jump" down from
one mogul level to another. You need to keep your upper body extremly forwards
to aviod losing control. If you even lean too much on the ends of your skie,
you will gain speed in no time and get out of control.

On the other hand, you can use this last hint in another way: If skiing becomes
too boring, you make skiing on the ends of your skis into a new, challengin style:
Again, go over the top of a mogul and while you initiate the turn, lean back
to move your weight onto the ends of the skis. If the timing is right, your
front ends of the skis will become airborne up to the binding, it will catapult
you out of the modul and around the curve. You land facing the opposite (new)
direction and go one with this until you're really tired. This looks really
great since your skis are pointing 45 degree up into the skies.

I'm sure someone can think of more variations...

Frank
mueller@cs.fsu.edu
From: sheardc@rdsunx.crd.ge.com (David C. Shear)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: A question of vanity
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:42:56 GMT
Reply-To: sheardc@rdsunx.crd.ge.com (David C. Shear)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

I have used the stuff for about 8 years. It protects the ski tops
nicely, but the edges still take a beating from metal bottom edges. To
remove the tape, have the skis at room temperature and heat up the top
surface of one ski with a hair dryer on the high setting. Try to pull
tape and glue off in one piece. If some glue still remains, ball up a
piece of tape you just removed and rub the effected area. The remaining
glue should come off, if not try a little gas on a rag (don't do this
part around a flame or spark).

Enjoy,
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From: gerber@boulder.parcplace.com (Andrew Gerber)
Subject: Re: >Snowboarders Suck
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:45:02 GMT

SCENE: Loveland Basin Ski Area, at the Chair 2 reload (basically
a halfway point on the lift where you can get ON but not off).

EVENT: Boarder, out of control, comes up a small rise and BANG,
lands his board edge first, across the skis of a ski patroller
waiting for the lift. Looks up and says, "uhh, sorry".

JOKE: (told by the Ski Patrol guy, who, all in all took the event
with good humor).  

Q: "How does a snowboarder introduce himself?".

A; "SORRY, DUDE!"

Out of control boarders are annoying.  Most boarders I've seen this
year on Colorado slopes have been in control and polite.  Our
skiier/acre density out here is much lower than back east.

Andy


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From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: Re: Rec.skiing FAQ Snowboard Section
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:09:46 GMT
Organization: Fly GlenAir
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

 And for those astute enough to notice that the next cycle of the FAQ
 started today....and that this section is not in yet, well check on
 the NEXT cycle! (Hey...I'm goin' skiing! Don't have time to update the
 FAQ right now!)

 ..glen
     (heck, I might even do a mid-cycle update. Sometimes I even surprise
      myself!)
From: alee@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Mammoth
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:10:35 PST

In article <1992Dec21.181735.17219@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, wang_dj@syzygy.cs.jhu.edu (David J. Wang) writes:
> Well, I'm almost outta here -- one more final and I'm back to good 'ole CA
> for Christmas vacation.  What I wanted to know, though, if any one out
> there can tell me the conditions at Mammoth, and/or what the predictions are
> for the next 2 -2 1/2 weeks.  I'm going up the day after Christmas and staying
> through the new year.  Anybody know what I can expect?
> 
> Thanks,   
> David
> -- 

David,
      Mammoth currently has 87-108" base. This is best its been since I've
been in Calif. (5 yrs). There is possibly 2 more storms hitting Mammoth in the
next 2 weeks, though this is dependent on 1 medium and 1 weak storm front.
So, I imagine they'll get some new snow between now and New Year's.

See ya on the slopes,
Alex Lee
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: vsh@etnibsd.uucp (Steve Harris)
Subject: Re: Eastern skiing
Organization: Eaton Corp, Semiconductor Equipment Div., Beverly, MA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:07:31 GMT

In article <BzF2s0.AvF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jim@coral.aiss.uiuc.edu writes:
>  What type of conditions could be expected at 
>  Lake Placid or the South Eastern Vermont area
>  in early March, If any ?
>
>  Thanks much
>
>  jim 
>

Variable.

-- 
... Steve Harris - Eaton Corp. - Beverly, MA - vsh%etnibsd@uunet.uu.net
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From: zod@ncube.com (Operator)
Subject: Hawaii
Reply-To: zod@ncube.com
Organization: nCUBE Corp., Foster City, CA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:02:59 GMT

Has anyone skied in Hawaii? I am heading there for Xmass.
Is it worth skiing? Or people just do it to have said:

I skied in Hawaii...

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From: bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak Gohari)
Subject: Re: A question of vanity
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 06:06:59 GMT

Thought I'd put my two cents in since I just applied a ski saver this season
as well.  So far, it seems to be sort of working, but I wish I had put it on
when my skis were still new last season.  As it is, it was hard applying the
saver to the really deep scratches and gouges.

As far as dork factors are concerned, I remember this one incident in which
I almost killed an eight year old boy.  Seriously, we're in line and all of a
sudden I hear that dreaded grinding noise.  I look back and of course, this
kid is trying to stop on my skis.  Well, I ask him to get off.  He gets off,
barely, and as soon as we move forward a little, grind.  His mother told him
that he should be careful of other people's skis.  We move up again, grind.
This happened like maybe five more times (yes, it was one of those beloved
Eastern lift lines).  It was then that I decided to either get ski savers or
at least a shotgun.

-Bob