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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:36:18 CST
From:         "Michael S. Hart" <HART@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      NUSIRG manual to be removed

One week from tonight, on January 15th, the Project Gutenberg Etext of
the Northwestnet User Services Internet Resource Guide is scheduled to
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If you have a copy of the Plain Vanilla ASCII file on a public server,
please remove it at that time and replace it with the .ps (PostScript)
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Our apologies both to our users for not having been able to prepare an
appropriate Plain Vanilla ASCII edition, and also to NUSIRG.




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Thank you for your interest,

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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:26:37 -0800
From:         "(Peg Syverson)" <msyverson@UCSD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: WIOLE

Eric:

Would you sign me up as well?  Thanks!
Peg Syverson, msyverso@ucsd.edu
Dimensions of Culture, 0525, UCSD, La Jolla, CA 92093
(619) 558-1514
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:13:11 CST
From:         Irvin Peckham <peckham@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Standardizing Composition Classes

> thinkers, we might not get so hung up in such (forgive me) parochial
> questions as, What To Do with the FY Writing Class.
>
>
> Marilyn Cooper
> mmcooper@mtu.edu
>
Marilyn:
I cannot imagine anyone who hangs around relevant conversations being
"hung up [on] . . . What To kDo with the FY Writing Class."  As you
have pointed out, there are so many things to do.  I think of it in
terms of choosing from the goodies.
Irv

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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:56:05 -0700
From:         "Gary Hatch" <HATCHG@JKHBHRC.BYU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: not grading essay/ but satisfying the registrar

> Still note (if we referring to the time I spend reading
> a portfolio--for an essay--and writing my evaluation), I
> can keep the time to a half-hour per student.

Irvin:

Is that 30 minutes per student at the end of the semester, 30 minutes
per student a week, or 30 minutes per student for each paper?  For a
community college writing instructor with a typical load (25 students
per class, 5 classes) 30 minutes per student would take 62.5 hours.





Gary Hatch
Brigham Young University
English Department
3146 JKHB
Provo, UT  84604        (801) 378-2402
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:12:31 -0600
From:         NKAPLAN@UTDALLAS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Mac Hypertext Software

>Other than HyperCard itself, what hypertext authoring programs are
>available?
>
>I have read about Intermedia but haven't been able to get any recent
>information about it..
>
>And does anyone know about LinksWare?

Mike--Intermedia requires a Unix operating system so once Apple abandoned
its version of Unix, Intermedia died.  But the best hypertext authoring
tool for the Mac is really Storyspace, available from Eastgate Systems,
Inc., 134 Main Street, Watertown, MA 02172.  Phone:  (800) 562-1638..

Hope this helps..

Nancy Kaplan
University of Texas at Dallas
Box 830688
Richardson, TX  75083-0688

(214) 690-207
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:24:51 CST
From:         Ellen Redding Kaler <KALER@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: WIOLE

Eric,
Sure, I'm interested.  Please send your OWC document. On-line is fine,
or else snail mail:
Ellen Redding Kaler
Department of English
3114 Wescoe
University of Kansas
Lawrence, KS 66046

THanks!
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:27:48 -0500
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I am interested in Linkware, too. Could someone let me know their contact
(Maybe it was posted on the network, but I missed it.)

Mummy Man
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 11:28:25 EST
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Subject:      Re: WIOLE

ERIC,
PLEASE... HELPL... A COPY OF WIOLE...HELP....PLEASE....
EDWARDS@DUQ3.DUQ.EDU
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:03:00 EST
From:         MLB14@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: daedalus

Can anyone tell me how to get a Daedalus demo disk?  Or documentation, or
something?  I've only heard of it here, and I'd like to see it in action.

Thanks,


Marcy Bauman Penn State-Erie
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:47:47 +0000
From:         rmcdonell%ucsd.edu@SDSC.BITNET
Subject:      Re: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Do colleges require only first-year writing? (8)

  One may
>argue that students who attend the ivies are better prepared (and of course
>they are) than the generally working class students--the ones who go to
>the cheaper schools, but I wonder if another social imperative is at
>work here?
>Irv

"Better prepared for whose what?" might be another way to ask the question
and open the issue of the "social imperative" to the question of "Whose?"
as well.

robt

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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:14:00 EST
From:         I'm saving my life <TABRON@BRANDEIS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Mac Hypertext Software

Mike--Intermedia requires a Unix operating system so once Apple abandoned
its version of Unix, Intermedia died.  But the best hypertext authoring
tool for the Mac is really Storyspace, available from Eastgate Systems,
Inc., 134 Main Street, Watertown, MA 02172.  Phone:  (800) 562-1638..

Hope this helps..

Nancy Kaplan
University of Texas at Dallas
Box 830688
Richardson, TX  75083-0688

____________________________________________________

Hmm... Apple hasn't abandoned its proprietary Unix operating system for the
Mac, A/UX. (In fact, they are advertising right now for technical support
staff who can support it.) It is a _very_ good Unix OS for PC's and lots
of people who like Unix are still using it -- still buying it, in fact.
You can purchase a Mac configured with A/UX (which also includes the regular
Mac OS, so that you can run any Mac application on it) or you can get
it on CD-ROM (which is apparently the only storage medium big enough to
handle it -- but I guess there are no small OS's any more.)

Given this, I'm not surprised that Intermedia is not a hypertext standard --
Macs configured with A/UX are not that common -- but I would be surprised if
it were not still available somewhere. But if it is non-compatible with
other OS's, it probably wouldn't be very useful to you.

I'm curious as to whether or not there are any non-Mac or non-Unix based
hypertext apps out there. The concept seems to require a graphical user
interface. Also, I wonder if anyone has bothered yet to make any DOS-type
ports of the Mac hypertext programs that are already out there? Is Windows
too buggy to handle such things, or what?

J. Tabron
Brandeis University
tabron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:07:00 -0800
From:         Susan Kirschner <susank@LCLARK.EDU>
Subject:      Re: WIOLE

Eric, please send your proposal for the  On-line Writing Center. Thanks.

Susan Kirschner
Core Curriculum
Lewis & Clark College
Portland, Or. 97219

susank@lclark.edu
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:13:29 CST
From:         Irvin Peckham <peckham@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Do colleges require only first-year writing? (8)
              at Jan 7, 93 12:33 pm

> I see what you're saying, and it is true, but I think, given that accession
> to such open-ended postions, to one degree or another, requires submission
> to that social imperative(call it hegemony, dominant ideology, whatever)
> and its reproduction, that it is difficult (I hope) to be "happy" unless
> one is attempting to (radically) transform/subvert the hegemonic order.
> rmcdonell@ucsd.edu
>
Robert:
Your response raises an interesting question.  What difference
(ideological, I suppose) would one expect from those who ascended and
those who were born into the open-ended order?  I am referring to
tendancies only.
irv

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Irvin Peckham
University of Nebraska at Omaha
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 09:36:00 CST
From:         SLATIN@UTXVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: WIOLE

I'm in, Eric.

John
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Date: 7 Jan 93 02:36:37 GMT
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              93 9:36 am

Eric:
I've skimmed the WIOLE conversation, but it looks
like something I'd be interested in .  Put me
down unless you're alread overstocked.
Irv
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University of Nebraska at Omaha
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:59:01 CST
From:         Irvin Peckham <peckham@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Do colleges require only first-year writing? (8)

> As an undergrad I had to take 12 hrs of required German language (the
> specific language was mandated by ones major which for me began as
> Chemistry). I had to take history, and a few electives from a very
> constrained range. Even at the senior level there was one required
> (non-English) "elective" which I hated to have to take.
>
> I assumed that most colleges had some required core courses. Is this just
> naive?
>
>  -- Robert Royar (RobertRoyar@Delphi.com) New York Institute of Technology
>     "If the Russians can get rid of the Communists, the Americans can get rid
>     of the Republicans."                                        - Rudy Rucker
>
> ------------------------------
>
Robert:
The following is a casual inquiry:  are these other required courses
taught by adjuncts and ta's?  I assume it goes without saying that
lower status courses are taught by lower status people--people without
degrees.

On another plane:  are these required courses more common in state
colleges and universities than in the elite ivy league schools?  One may
argue that students who attend the ivies are better prepared (and of course
they are) than the generally working class students--the ones who go to
the cheaper schools, but I wonder if another social imperative is at
work here?
Irv

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University of Nebraska at Omaha
peckham@unomaha.edu
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:19:00 CST
From:         SLATIN@UTXVM.BITNET
Subject:      daedalus

Irv, _Writer's Prologue_ is basically a version of Daedalus Invent, Respond,
and Write, customized for the St Martin's Guide to Writing.  Its prompts are
geared specifically to that text.  It has no communications features-- neither
Mailnor InterChange.

Hope that clarifies things a little.

John Slatin
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:23:32 CST
From:         Irvin Peckham <peckham@CWIS.UNOMAHA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: cites of "silenced" women and minorities in trad. classes

Thanks, Bob, regarding the warning of the Well. study.  It's
interesting, of course, that one has to know the background of
the origin in order to evaluate the study.
Irv
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Irvin Peckham
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:35:00 CST
From:         "brown, lady" <ykflb@TTACS1.TTU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: "Higher?" Education in El Paso

Raul, I tried to send you a message via your e-mail address, but
couldn't get it to work.  Nevertheless, I want to thank you for
expressing exactly my sentiments concerning faculty members who
come to Texas Tech from "more prestigious universities" and then
sneer at the students, the city, and the culture they find here.
Well put.  Sincerely, Lady Falls Brown
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:53:03 -0500
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Subject:      Re: cites of "silenced" women and minorities in trad. classes

Irv, I'd be careful of citing the Wellesley study recommended by Wini
Wood.  I read in the Boston Globe (hardly a bastion of conservatism) the
other day that that study and the wide media acceptance of it and its
conclusions are coming under some heavy scrutiny.  The Wellesley Center
is not any sort of disinterested research organization, apparantly, and
its study's conclusions are not based on the kind of replicable research
that empiricists would like.  Sorta like the Heritage Foundation doing
a study on democratic socialism, I guess. . .

Bob C.
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Date:         Sat, 2 Jan 1993 14:53:43 CST
From:         "David H. Roberts" <DHROBERT@SAMFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: High school/college comp cou

On Fri, 1 Jan 1993 22:27:05 -0700 David E. Schwalm said:
>I agree 100% with Dave Roberts that "the writing project work is the most
>important thing I've done and the most effective teaching I've ever been
>involved in." I watched the writing project (and its the dynamic of the thing,
>not the director)
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>>>>>>>> very true.  Director's presence best when
hardly noticed.

   __________________________________________
   David H. Roberts
   Director of University Writing Programs
   Samford University
   Birmingham, AL 35229-2207 USA
   Voice: (205) 870-2964; Fax: (205) 870-2384
   Bitnet:  DHROBERT@SAMFORD
   CIS:     72630,3633
   __________________________________________
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:30:37 -0600
From:         "(Gail E. Hawisher)" <hawisher@UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      1992 Ellen Nold Best Article Award

A reminder to all that January 15 is the last day for nominating articles
and book chapters for _C&C_'s 1992 Ellen Nold Best Article award.  If you
have a moment in this week before many of us start back to school, grab
your C&Cs over the last year and tell us what your favorite article for the
year was. Remember that any article from any journal or text that was
published during 1992 is eligible!

We'll make the award at Michigan this year where we all get to hear those
fine papers Bill just wrote about.  I'm happy to take nominations through
e-mail!  Thanks!

Gail

Gail E. Hawisher 	       	       hawisher@uiuc.edu
608 S. Wright St.       	       	University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Department of English   	       	217-333-2989 (work)
Urbana, IL 61801        	       	217-352-8031 (home)
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:59:17 -0600
From:         LHAMPLYONS@CUDNVR.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: cites of "silenced" women and minorities in trad. classes

Irv:
the first study that ripped that whole thing wide open was Dale Spender's
*Man Made Language." in the 70s.  Spender showed that when a man and woman
were in "conversation" together, if the woman got above 27% of the air-time
the man reported that she didn't let him speak; and the woman reported that
she felt she got about equal time!  The study has been replicated a number of
times.
There was a special on TV here last week, only I forget which channel, which
followed up on the national report last year (early spring 92 I think) that
reviewed the several studies on this very question.  It was some national
women and education group, got a lot of press including a UW News report about
Feb 92 (I had a class use it that's how I have this vague recollection)--
that's US News of course--
If you send a message to WMST-L at UMDD.UMD.EDU you'd get a ton of info very
quickly. (If you're bounced I'll give you the sysop's address)
Liz Hamp_Lyons
English/Applied Language
University of Colorado, Denver
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:14:20 EST
From:         Bill Condon <USERLCBK@UMICHUM.BITNET>
Subject:      Update on C&W '93

Emily, Wayne, Susanmarie and I are (still) hard at work putting together
the program for the conference.  We're almost finished, so letters to
proposers will go out early next week.  We had hoped to get them out
in Dec, but with 300+ proposers for 200+ proposals--many of which were
proposals for whole sessions--this has been a difficult job.  And, frankly,
the high quality of the proposals hasn't made our jobs any easier.
So pat yourselves on the back, you folks who sent in proposals, and
please exercise just a little more patience.  And I think you can start
to salivate over what promises to be one whing-dang doozie of a conference.
Film at 11:00
Bill Condon
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Date: 7 Jan 93 18:10:56 GMT
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Eric,

Let me join the bandwagon for WIOLE.  How are your systems people reacting
to establishing a listserv?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dickie Selfe              rselfe@mtu.edu
Humanities Dept.          906-487-3225
Michigan Technological U.
Houghton, MI   49931
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Date:         Sun, 3 Jan 1993 19:00:00 EST
From:         KARCH%MUNIN%HUGIN@NORWICH.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Standardizing Composition Classes

Myles, Would you please elaborate on how you would teach "some self-
examination" techniques to use to describe writing (student's) and what
they perceive as its defects?  This is one end-of-semester assignment
that I would like to expand for use throughout the semester.  Any
suggestions would be helpful.   Linda Karch, Norwich University
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:43:13 CST
From:         "Michael S. Hart" <HART@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Novice vs. Expert vs. Compression
              5 Jan 1993 11:31:19 CDT from <Neal_McBurnett@ATT.COM>

I have seen several postings that the best reason for compression is the
ability to get many files at a time via ftp.

1.  One person wanted to be able to get whole directories.

Answer:  type "prompt' to toggle prompting
         type "mget*" to get all files in the directory

2.  Another person wanted to be able to get .exe, .doc, .source files in
    one command.

Answer:  type "prompt" to toggle prompting
         type "mget zoo214*" to get all the zoo214 files, .exe, .doc....

Happy New Year!

=====================================================

Thank you for your interest,

Michael S. Hart, Professor of Electronic Text
Executive Director of Project Gutenberg Etext
Illinois Benedictine College, Lisle, IL 60532
No official connection to U of Illinois--UIUC
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:10:45 -0500
From:         "(Brian Jones)" <bjones@MAILER.CC.FSU.EDU>
Subject:      Problems with Daedalus Demo

I am trying to install Daedalus on an AppleShare 2.0 network with 19 SE's
running old system 6.03 (yes we're poor and can't afford memory upgrades -
each machine has 1 meg, precluding system 7.x).  I have followed the
installation instructions to the letter and of course tried to eliminate
every possibly complicating init, etc. but still get a disk error message
on launch.  Has anyone else had trouble loading Daedalus under such an old
system?  I know the obvious step is to call their tech support, and I have,
but they have assured me somewhat diffidently that it would work fine on an
older system software.  Since upgrading the system is time consuming, I am
hoping for some anecdotal confirmation that the old system is the culprit
before I start jamming disks.  I would appreciate any feedback.


Brian Jones      	       	       	       	       	       vox  904 644 7988
University Housing      	       	       	       	     fax  904 644 7997
Florida State University R-141
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From:         I'm saving my life <TABRON@BRANDEIS.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Mac Hypertext Software

Storyspace looks very interesting -- its linking information display doesn't
seem as sophisticated (or complicated :-) as Intermedia's, but it does use
graphic link indicators similar to Intermedia's and claims they stay put
while lexias are being moved around, etc.

I've never heard of LinksWare -- what is it?

Judith Tabron
Brandeis University
tabron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 08:12:35 -0700
From:         "David E. Schwalm" <IACDES@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      TA acculturation

Joe, our "peer coaching program at ASU is based on the notion that it is
incredibly usefulto have another pair of eyes in the classroom. A TA sits in
on another TA's class and simply describes what he/she sees going on. On the
evening that we introduced peer coach to the TAs in the TA seminar, we did
something else for about the first half-hour of the class, and my assistant
director (a senior TA) observed me and the class and wrote a description. I
was astounded at what she had seen in my behavior and the class's that I was
not aware of. Descriptive (rather than evaluative) reports on class visits are
really useful.

-- David E. Schwalm, Assoc. Provost for Academic Programs
___Arizona State University West
___4701 West Thunderbird Rd.
___Phoenix, AZ 85069-7100___(602) 543-4500
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