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From: jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali)
Subject: Re: Latest news on the March.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:30:36 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <1992Nov21.010419.2519@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> amr7969@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.185001.6455@gw.wmich.edu>, x90kamali1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>> In article <1992Nov19.200538.21330@sol.UVic.CA>, ahussain@engr.UVic.CA (Amyn  Hussain) writes:
>>> In article 10302@galileo.cc.rochester.edu, ousi_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Omer Usmani) writes:
>>>>
>>>> Benazir has been arrested and the march has been stopped. Hundreds of
>>>>police made roadblocks and stopped all incoming traffic to the Capital.
>>>>   Benazir and her entourage when they tried to run one of the blockades 
>>>>were attacked and latthi-charged. 
>>>>  I saw all of this on the NBC and ABC evening news. They said that many 
>>>>western embassies had requested her to stop the march calling it foolish
>>>>(this is an internal Paki matter what right have those idiots to interfere.)
>>>>  Anyway the lathi-charge was quite bad from what I saw, Benazir had her 
>>>>dupatta pulled off and then arrested. This is after she got into her 
>>>>Land Cruiser and (I assume) was trying to leave. The police promptly pulled
>>>>her out and arrested her.
>>>>  Personally I'm not her fan but really Nawaz should have shown more decency
>>>>and sensitivity especially as she was a woman.
>>>>
>>>>   THATS ALL FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>> *******************************************************************
>   I think Nawaz sharif should hang bibi just like her father along
>  with all other so called political leaders,jamaties and the
>racial leaders. This might sound cruel, but its better for the safety
>and prosperity of our dear country.......
>                                            Aamir...

And which country would that be???

Nadeem 

-- 
Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
						 
School of Computer Science			  
Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7527
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: blue eyes shine ice ;)
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:27:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Nov13.180559.18034@leland.Stanford.EDU> arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:
>Ah! now i get it. I always thought she was trying to look deep in my eyes
>and couldn't find them.
>sahibzada rafay khan[ hm..... cold shoulder ...... not good]

As the poet among us said...


           Gimme dark eyes, black hair, and a heart of gold
           And, forever, my friend, I wont ask you for anymore


Salman [old posters never die, they just fade away] Azhar

-- 
 I must, with emotional fire, burn or illume myself
 I must, with the heat of passion, melt or sublime myself
 I must, in flood of tears, drown or cleanse myself
 I must! I must! I must! For my people and myself -- D. Salman [Q] Azhar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: husaia@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Atiya Husain)
Subject: Re: Munir Niazi's nazam
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:50:50 GMT



	Zaroori baat kehni ho
	koi waada nibhaana ho
	ussay awaaz deni ho
	ussay waapas bulaana ho
	hamesha dair ker dayta hoon main

	badaltay mosamon ki
	sair main dil ko lagaana ho
	kisi ko yaad rakhna ho
	kisi ko bhool jaana ho
	hamesha dair ker dayta hoon main

	kisi ko mot say pehlay
	kisi ghum say bachna ho
	haqeqat or thi kuchh
	uss ko ja ker bataana ho
	hamesha dair ker dayta hoon main

					(Munir Niazi)
From: fxm4993@hertz.njit.edu (Farhan Muhammad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Is Benazir Muslim ? No Way !!!
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:27:37 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <Nov22.232710.53797@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu writes:
>In article <cf3zdWu00WBO434bho@andrew.cmu.edu>, ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu (Asad Iqbal) writes:
>|> Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.pakistan: 22-Nov-92 Is Benazir Muslim
>|> ?  No Way.. by MUSTAFA IBRAHIM @slate.m 
>|> >  
>|> >        I remember, when I was in Pakistan, I saw a statement 
>|> >         from that time Prime Minister of Pakistan , the 
>|> > champion of democracy , benazir bhutto . She said , " I dont
>|> > believe that the witness of a man is equal to the witness of 
>|> > two women. This is Grabage."
>|> >  
>|> > So if she doesnot believe in Quran , how come is she muslim ?
>|> > No way. If somebody believes it, then he/she lives in fools
>|> > paradise. 
>|> >  
>|> > What you guys think ?
>|> That's a very sensitive issue.
>|> I'm sure a lot opf people on the net would tend to agree with her
>|> atleast I do and I believe not everything that worked 1400 years ago can
>|> work in these times. Whatever the case I would not call her a non-muslim
>|> just for that...there's alot of stuff we do that is worse but we still
>|> go pray every Friday afternoon.
>
>We have nothing to do with her religion or her personal beliefs.
>She present herself as a politician and she is only accountable
>for that matter only in public.  I mentioned this thing before that 
>in today's politics there is no room for religion or have no special 
>provisions for an orphan child.  If anyone wants to play it then play 
>it with rules.
>
	
	If you want to play it by rule Mr. Sohban Shahid than according
	to pakistan law, no non-muslim can be the head of nation.....
	Now why the f*** is Benazir terririzing the whole nation..???

					Farhan.

>Denying something is so easy that it leaves no burden on your head!
>*********************************************************************
>
>SOHBAN SHAHID                
>Civil Engg. Dept.                (303) 491 7710/8204 (work)
>Colorado State University        (303) 224 0397  (home)
>Ft. Collins, CO-80523
>
>*********************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Sohban Shahid)
Subject: Re: Latest news on the March.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:34:04 GMT
Reply-To: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu
Organization: Colorado State U. Civil Engineering

In article <1992Nov19.023758.10302@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, ousi_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Omer Usmani) writes:

|>   I saw all of this on the NBC and ABC evening news. They said that many 
|> western embassies had requested her to stop the march calling it foolish
|> (this is an internal Paki matter what right have those idiots to 
|> interfere.)

Yes, they have no right to interfere in the internal affairs of 
Pakistan.  But, put it this way:  Nawaz was/is not a near and dear one
of western community but Benazir let them down when they needed her
during the Gulf War.  In Pakistan the government/the president/the 
army, can do whatever they want and in Benazir's case they have 
sacked her on charges of corruption.  Uncle sam will use Nawaz when
ever they want, so thats why he is getting some indirect support. If
Benazir is ready to surve this old uncle than she has to proof her
worth, which she failed to do in the past.

Its real pitty that we are keeping these old faces in our national 
politics eventhough they have disappointed us time and again. I think
democracy has been used in a very different sense, which is more
close to dynasties and dictatorships.  We are forced (or we are
that fool) to select politicians with no moral decency.  They brain
wash their followers in such a way that they never go against them
in their lifetime and thats how they go to assemblies and legislative
councils in all seasons.  The more corrupt you are the more respect
and honour you will get in Pakistan.  The bigger the theif you
are the more important ministery you get...whatta country. 

|>   Personally I'm not her fan but really Nawaz should have shown more decency
|> and sensitivity especially as she was a woman.

No, if a power hungry women don't respect the rights of a common man
than there should be no mercy for her.  Its politics with no moral
codes, there is no islam and there shouldn't be any specific place 
for an orphan child.  These are all bogus arguments, give me
something real and more practical.

-- 
Don't expect too much from these old faces, they will give you
what they are capable of.
*********************************************************************

SOHBAN SHAHID                
Civil Engg. Dept.                (303) 491 7710/8204 (work)
Colorado State University        (303) 224 0397  (home)
Ft. Collins, CO-80523

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From: ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu (Asad Iqbal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: God help pakistan
Date: 22 Nov 92 09:34:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.4f3y2le00iV3M2I35M
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.pakistan: 22-Nov-92 Re: God help
pakistan by Nadeem Jamali@newton.ccs 
>  
> Nonsense...
Really.......
>  
> How can she win a no-confidence motion in a parliament elected as a result
> of rigged elections???
And why do you think they were rigged.....do you have substantial
proof...even the US monitoring team said they weren't rigged so there
>  
> Aren't we forgetting what happenned in 1990.... The incumbent Prime Minister
> was removed. The leader of the opposition was made the caretaker Prime
Ministe
> r
> and given the responsibility to hold fair-and-free elections... Has anyone
> heard of something so ridiculous before... 
And what is so ridiculous about that. Its the law that states that
anyone can be appointed caretaker PM and it just so hppens that a
corrupt govenment was thrown out and I don't think anyone in the right
mind would appoint somebody from the same camp as PM
>  
> How can any sane person expect fair and free elections after this... 
Well if that's the case then no elections can be considered fair unless
the incumbent loses.......
>  
> Nadeem
> -- 
> Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
>                                                  
> School of Computer Science                        
> Technical University of Nova Scotia               (902)420-7527  

Asad Iqbal
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed)
Subject: Re: Was Bhutto an elected Prime Minister ?  No Way !!!!
Reply-To: ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:28:00 GMT


The question is Who won the 1970 Elections held in both East and 
West Pakistan.
The question also is who acknowledged who has won this election.
And the final question is Who schemed to end up being the so called
Elected prime Minister.

Who has the Answers:

Syed Ahmed:
****************
I survived the conspiracy of East Pakistan
******************************************.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: nchaudhr@cs.ulowell.edu (Nadeem G Chaudhry)
Subject: Re: Was Bhutto an elected Prime Minister ?  No Way !!!!
Originator: nchaudhr@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:28:51 GMT


In article <1992Nov18.034605.97803@slate.mines.colorado.edu>, imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (IBRAHIM  MUSTAFA ) writes:
|> 
|>    
|> 
|> 	One of Amercian Friends asked me a question that why bhutto was
|> hanged when he was an elected prime minister ? 
|> 
|> I replied him , ' Bhutto was an elected prime minister no way. 
|> Even in 1971 he was not elected prime minister. If he was
|> elected prime minister in 1971 the Bangladesh would not have 
|> been formed . He didnot enjoy the majority of the votes instead 
|> Mujeeb ur Rahman won more seats than him with a great majority 
|> only a few people know about this.But with the use of army and
|> bullshit journal like Yahya khan he unlawfully took the prime
|> ministership and the consequent loss of East Pakistan. 
|> 
|> What you guys think ? 
I think you are absolutly correct. Bhutto said who ever want to go to 
East Pakistan (at the question of moving the assembly there) should take
a one way ticket. And the famous "Idhar hum udhar tum" formula. Now a fellow
had knee jerk reation and started talking about Zia and Junnejo etc which was
not the subject.

Nadeem
-- 
Nadeem G Chaudhry
nchaudhr@ulowell.ulowell.edu
From: x90kamali1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: "My" Previous Post
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:39:47 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Nov15.221558.9285@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, wlnk_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Brian Willnecker) writes:
> 
> Today, I received a phone call from one of my classmates that "I" had posted
> a letter stating "Death to Pakistan".  This was news to me, and I am
> writing my apology here for any offense that was taken.
> 
> Yesterday, I was logged into a public access terminal with several sessions
> open at one time (using an IBM compatible and Windows).  Apparently, I
> forgot to close one of my communcations sessions, and, since the computers
> never get turned off, somebody obviously took advantage of an open account
> and abused it and my reputation.
> 
> I assure you that I had nothing to do with the offensive posting.  Actions
> of this sort are completely out of line with my character, and several of my
> friends are willing to attest to this if need be.  In fact,
> I do not even subscribe to soc.culture.pakistan, so I do not know why I
> would ever post there in the first place.
> 
> I do not know who abused my account, but whoever did was completely immature
> and irresponsible.  I know that one can call me irresponsible for forgetting
> to close my account, but this person's actions go far beyond acceptable or
> adult-like.
> 
> I too am embarrassed to think that there are people at this University who
> would commit such an injustice to me, to the readers of the newsgroup, and
> to all Pakistanis.
> 
> Once again, I extend my regrets, and apologize to anyone who was offended by
> the previous posting.  
> 
> I hope that this is all that has been done with my account, and that this
> marks the end of any repurcussions.
> 
> Most sincerely,
> Brian Willnecker
> wlnk_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
> 
> -- 
> ****************************************************************************
> * Brian Willnecker                   : "You can blow out a candle,         *
> * wlnk_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu    :  but you can't blow out a fire"  PG *
> ****************************************************************************

Then how come the ending message is the same. That guy also knows
how to write the phrase exactly the same way you have written here.

May be some body kick your bud very hard.


--SHAKIR
        [ALWAYS LOOKING ON BRIGTER SIDE].

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: S.G.Abbas@massey.ac.nz (S.G. Abbas)
Subject: Re: Latest Political News from Pakistan.
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 20:48:16 GMT



Today in 7.30 AM (New Zealand) time ITN covered the "Pakistan Story" as
the first NEWS. IT was throughly covered witha brief interview with
Benaizer. The NEWS also covered the "actual battle filed" opposite the
parliment house in Islamabad. Police was beating the demonstrators (an
usual scene in Pakistani/Indian politices) The surprising thing was that
Jatoi was walking side by side with Benaizer. I think sometop persond
from opposition were arrested for few hours and being "loaded" on police
trucks. I saw Jatoi climbing on that truck. Did someone else noted it ?
But according to Goverenment reports the demonstration was failed. (or
foiled by force?).

Ghazanfar Abbas
New Zealand
S.G.Abbas@massey.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: az1@ukc.ac.uk (A.Zafar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Few days before Martial Law in Pakistan !!!!!
Keywords: Long March
Date: 21 Nov 92 20:54:08 GMT
Reply-To: az1@ukc.ac.uk (A.Zafar)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1992Nov21.173418.45757@slate.mines.colorado.edu> imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:

> It seems that daughter has learned nothing from the tragic end of her 
>father ||    and people have forgotten the black history of PPP (Plunder
>Pakistan Party). 

	I was wondering what Benazir was up to myself. Doesn't it seem that
the roles are currently reversed like in Bhutto time. If she can get enough
people in the streets, maybe the army will step in because it is 'the will of
the people' and then treat Nawaz like it did Bhutto. Maybe Nawaz forseeing
this will try and let Zardari out and losen his pressure on Bhutto.

	This is a pure guess and would like to see what people think of it.

			 - Aman Zafar 			_   /|
			 - University of Kent 		\'o.O'
			 - England. 			=(___)=	
							   U
From: cs707ab@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Aftab)
Subject: Re: e-mail to lahore
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:47:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.174218.475@panix.com> imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar) writes:
>If you are comparing with fax then email is MUCH cheaper.  In addition it is
>more flexible (like saving the trfouble of retyping at the receiving end)
>but if you have formatted documents etc to send then keep in mind that internet
>has ASCII only limitations that have to be kept in mind.
>

Binary files can be transformed into ASCII ones (using uuencode, which I 
explained in an earlier post) and then sent thru e-mail, transformed back into
binary (using uudecode) at the receiving end. In this way, any file can 
be sent thru e-mail.

Kamran Aftab

(my commission Imran .... ;-) , if you get this account)


-- 
I donot read the newsgroup religiously, so send me e-mail if need to
ask/tell/flame/comment/etc.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:16871 soc.culture.bangladesh:6064
From: ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: CFV: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
Date: 18 Nov 1992 13:52:48 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: curie.systemsy.cs.yale.edu


In article <1992Nov18.181636.21665@sarah.albany.edu>, ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj) writes:
> In article <1edur4INNq8a@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU> ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) went on about...
> >Circles?  Geez, some people really aren't reading the articles...  I
> >have shown very clearly how the Ahmadiya claim to being Muslim
> >violates the very definition of Islam itself.  If you can show
> >otherwise, do so.  Otherwise, please refrain from circular arguing
> >which avoids the real issues.
> 
> I have been watching debate for some time (even participated for a while).
> The point you keep missing, Shakil, is that people don't seem to think
> you have shown anything very clearly.  In fact, many people seem to have
> quite a conflict with what you have shown.  You show things according
> to your own interpretation.  What you keep missing is that your
> interpretation is not the be-all-and-end-all of Islam.  

Um, Yasmin, how many ways can you interpret the following:

    O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH
    WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my
    words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QUR'AN
    and my example, the SUNNAH, and if you follow these you will never go
    astray.

or any of the numerous other passages I have quoted?  This is not a
matter of interpretation anymore, but of simple comprehension...  If
you can refute any of what I said, please do so.

-- Shakil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Differences between Shia and Sunnis
Date: 23 Nov 1992 20:54:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: fox.ces.cwru.edu

Well, this following post reminds me of a joke. Due to its punch line,
I will not complete it. Yes, Even I got limits. Sometimes even my 
dirty fingers :-) refuse to type things on the net :-) :-)
So, those who care for the whole joke, please send me
an e-mail. I will email the whole joke to these peopel.

> 	Dear Netters,
> 
> 	Yesterday I was reading a magazine and found something interesting for
> 	you.  According to Alama Sajid Ali Naqvi following are the differences
> 	between two, and I am quoting here:
> 
> 
> 		"The differences are significant.  They say cut the thief's 
> 		hands from the wrists.  We say just cut the fingers from
> 		the palms."
> 
> 		"Alama Sajid Ali Naqvi"
> 		
> 	
> 	Any comments...
> 
>               OO shit here we go again. 
          
> 	Zakir Abdi
> 
	
	The story goes  that there was this sirdar jee who became a
	muslim, to be precise a shia muslim. Every one who heard this
	was amazed. Some people in his pind got together  and went
	to his house to get the matter clear. They asked him 
	"Sirdar Jee, If you had to become Muslim...... why not
	Sunni. They are the majority.. Why did you become a shia Muslim?"
	To this Sirdar Jee replied.........
	
        E-mail for the punch line

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland
khan@alpha.ces.cwru.edu
From: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Sohban Shahid)
Subject: Munir Niazi's nazam
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:32:03 GMT
Reply-To: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu
Organization: Colorado State U. Civil Engineering

I am looking for one of Munir Niazi's nazam, if
some kind heart can provide me a complete version
of it or its reference, I'll be greatful to him/her.

Incomplete nazam is as such:
         kissi ko yaad rakhna ho
         kissi ko bhool jaana ho
         ussay awaaz dainee ho
         ussay wapas bullana ho
            hamishah dair karr daitta houN maiN
         kissi ko mooat sai paihlay
         kissi ko ghum sai bachana ho
         haqeequt aur thee kuch
         yai kabhi uss ko batana ho
            hamishah dair karr daitta houN maiN

Thanks in advance for the complete version of this
nazam.


-- 
*********************************************************************

SOHBAN SHAHID                
Civil Engg. Dept.                (303) 491 7710/8204 (work)
Colorado State University        (303) 224 0397  (home)
Ft. Collins, CO-80523

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From: smc2103@hertz.njit.edu (Shoaib M Chaudhry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Differences between Sunnies & Shias Muslims...
Keywords: Hydrocarbons...
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:16:39 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

Dear Netters,

            Please donot get involved in this stupid topic........... We didnot make a seprate state to get involved in this crap. What really counts is that we are all muslims and that is all. Some "dushman pasand anaasir" have started this srap to divort the attentin from more serious matter.... As the great Pakistani poet Allama_iqbal says in one of his famous verse ........

              Yoon too syed bhi hoo mirza bhi ho afghan bhi hoo 
              Tum sabhi khuch hoo bataoo to musilman bhi hoo 

          So, let us forget this crap and think of some other solution to bring muslim Ummah togather to make muslims advance !!!!!! .

                                                                Sincerely ,

-- 
     ,__@`                  'Q__,    'Q__,    'Q__,    'Q__,  Shoaib Chaudhry
      \<,   "Wrong way you   ,>/      ,>/      ,>/      ,>/   Computer science
   /^\/ //\    IDIOTS!"    /\\ \/^\ /\\ \/^\ /\\ \/^\ /\\ \/^\ NJIT,NEWARK,NJ.
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