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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Grendel #6
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 07:32:48 EST

jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein) writes:

> Did anyone else find this issue to be a vast improvement over the past
> episodes?

I've loved them all, but yes, this one was particularly good - both in 
terms of plot development and theme.

> The artwork was crisp, and the storytelling clear.  There was some
> truely dynamic pages in there.  And on top of it all, the story seems
> to be reaching some sort of revelation.  The ending (SPOILERS) with

Yes: but who are these soldiers?  Are they working on behalf of Jupiter, 
or Mother, or Orion, or someone else? 

> the enterence of the mystery soldiers seems to tell of a question and
> answer session next issue, and besides with a title like "Devil in
> Chains" how can we go wrong?  This series is really starting to look

In my not-objective opinion, we can't go wrong as long as Matt Wagner is 
writing it.  

>   Also, in the letter column, hints of Mage II!!!
> -- 

Oh, I hope, I hope!

But what has happened to "The Aerialist"?  Is Wagner just waiting till 
everyone forgets he even started the story?

...So then he can stop working on it entirely?  I'd *rather" see Grendel 
or Mage, admittedly, but I'd also like to see the rest of "Aerialist".


Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: BATMAN:TAS figures and trading cards....
Date: 11 Jan 93 08:19:44
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: kamg@ecf.toronto.edu's message of Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:43:18 GMT

>>>>> On Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:43:18 GMT, kamg@ecf.toronto.edu (KAM GREGORY K) said:

kamg> Out from Kenner in Feb-Mar:

kamg> Turbojet Batman     Combatbelt Batman     Two-Face     Riddler
kamg> Joker               Man-Bat (!)           Skydive Batman
kamg> Infrared Batman     Powerline Batman      Scarecrow    Ninja Robin

Turbo Jet Batman! Infared Batman!!! What the hell is that! I hate it
when they make all these different versions of Batman, through the toy
line. Ekkk...
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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Terror, Inc (Was Re: What if... (Sleepwalker and what should go))
Organization: Little Terrorized Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:01:03 GMT


In article <1993Jan7.132737.14378@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes:

>Am I the only one who has noticed that Terror is the exact same character
>as a Shadowline (ST. GEORGE) character named Schrek? Same appearance, same
>personality, same powers (In WOLVERINE, he even referred to the wrestler
>that he got his metal hand from--one of the supporting characters from
>POWER LINE!)

(Isn't Schrek the German word for terror?) 

In one of the letter columns, someone wrote in asking about the Schrek-
Terror connection. Their response was that they aren't at all the same.
Yeah, right.

Anyway, I've been buying Terror, Inc. as a guilty pleasure. I think this
month's cross-over with Wolverine is enough to make me drop the title. 
The Punisher appearance came real close. Unless Wolvie loses some body parts, 
I think I'll drop the sucker. 

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From: Marc.Barnett@f601.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Marc Barnett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Vertigo Preview
Date: 2 Jan 93 10:27:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.726178909.AA00000

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

...

>Death:  A three-issue miniseries.  Don't miss this.  The art is
>attractive, if crowded, the scripting is pure Gaiman, and Death
>is acting in character.  (It looks as though there's a "someone
>nasty's out to get her" subplot.  What happens if Death is killed
>on her day off?)

As a side question: Does _anybody_ die on her day off? And if not,
wouldn't the world media notice?

...

>Sandman Mystery Theatre:  The further adventures of the Golden Age
>Sandman.  By Matt Wagner, which counts for something.  The preview
>reminds me of Baker Street for some reason.  Hard to tell how good
>this will be, but probably worth a try.

I've seen the pages for the first issue (all the pages, not the first
two) andn while the art is good, but the story is ... well ... golden
age .. i.e. not very believable


 * SLMR 2.1a *
From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Squiddie informal nominations, part 1
Date: 11 Jan 1993 13:52:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
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I haven't been paying as much attention as usual,
 so my list is rather sparse.  Please contribute.

>1.  Favorite artist

>2.  Favorite writer
The Usual Suspects -- Sim, Gaiman, Miller (Sim City was 92, yes?)
Who else was good?

>3.  Favorite creative team

>4.  Favorite limited series
Miracleman Apocrypha (92, right?)

>5.  Favorite established continuing series
TUS -- Cerebus, Sandman, etc.
I KNOW there was something reallly good I'm forgetting.

>6.  Favorite new continuing series

>7.  Favorite within series
Lynda Barry "Shaggy Baba"
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From: stailey@bugs.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Re: IMAGE: Jim Valentino -- what's the deal?
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola LMPS Research, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:33:36 GMT
Keywords: He's such a pompous irritant.  I'd like to slap his creamy head. 

(Lance Visser) writes:

*+>My question is this:  How does Jim Valentino (I think that's his name)
*+>creator of ShadowHawk, fit into this?  What's the story on this guy?  Was
*+>he a big-name writer/artist with any of the other companies?  How did he
*+>get included in this whole Image deal?

*	He was writer/artist for Guardians of the Galaxy for Marvel.  That
*was how he got in.  That book was like a second-tier hot artist book
*at Marvel.He got included in image because image doesnt really amount to 
*more than an agreement between a group of artists and Malibu.  Malibu
*prints and distributes in exchange for a cut....and the creators bearing
*part of the financial risk.

 Not any longer. Image Comics is a self supporting entity with no ties
 to Malibu.

 --
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 stailey@comm.mot.com     


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From: jsweet@irvine.com (Jerry Sweet)
Subject: Hillside Strangler sues Eclipse
Organization: Irvine Compiler Corp., Irvine, California, USA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:08:13 GMT

According to news reports, Kenneth Bianchi, the "Hillside Strangler,"
is suing Eclipse for appropriating his likeness for commercial
purposes.

Eclipse is publishing "True Crime" trading cards with the likenesses
of serial killers and mass murderers.

Bianchi and his cousin Angelo Buono were convicted of killing 10 women
and girls in Los Angeles between 1977 and 1978.
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From: jwlr@monet.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Subject: Re: Marvel Implosion Imminent? (was: Re: Marvel copies DC... again)
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 00:01:25 GMT

tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:
>In article <16B4DCEEE.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:

>>     The way I understand it, when what's-his-name bought out Marvel to
>>start it as a publicly held company, it was done as a highly leveraged
>>buy out, which means Marvel may be loaded up with debt; furthermore,

>Except for one little detail...Marvel stock which first sold at $16 closed
>yesterday at about $100 (ignore the 25 you'll see if you look up the
>stock market quotes; the stock's had two 2 for 1 splits so 4 shares of
>the stock now equals one original share). Marvel's "value" as a company
>has gone up over six times since the stock offering. A large amount from
>the stock offering went back to Perelman and associates, and I'd be
>rather surprised if Marvel's debt hasn't been substantially reduced
>by now via stock. Personally I think the stock is way overvalued, 
>particularly since my guess is that a lot of the most recent run-up was
>due to Marvel's jump in sales due to reporting on a year with X-Force
>and X-Men #1 sales.

Well, I'm no economics major, but I do know that a corporation only
makes money on *initial* stock offerings.

After the stocks are on the market any profits/losses are benefits/problems
of the investors.
(So only the profits from the initial offerings could be applied to any
debt that the corporation holds.)

						Jamesa Willer
[any opinions above are copyrighted and may only be used with my permission]
From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Why Vertigo? Was: Marvel copies DC... again
Date: 12 Jan 1993 05:30:18 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: na
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In article <C0pr8J.JJ0@news2.cis.umn.edu> lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>In article <C0pLwz.112@news.udel.edu> cornwall@bach.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall) writes:
>>Well, yeah...
>>I think your last point is dead-on. DC is trying to create this new
>>market. Why shouldn't they? Go to your local comic store. It's a
>>mostly male-dominated place. I still get a shock when I see a (gasp)
>>GIRL in the store (the last part of A Game Of You comes to mind).
>>Statistics show that comic readers are mostly young males. With DC's
>>Vertigo line, 100% testosterone-free, we may (hopefully) see a broader
>>market (no bad pun intended...). 
>
>I think Karen Berger has said that in some of her books the male-female
>readership ratio is 60-40 or even 50-50. The ratio for the industry is
>closer to 90-10. From my own personal observation, they women that come
>into the local shop tend to buy the titles that will be part of the 
>Vertigo line. Lots of Sandman and Doom Patrol, some Hellblazer and Shade.
>
And from our "Life does its level best to contradict NetNews" file:

Just after reading Ray's article, I slipped on down to the local comic shop to
pick up a few titles I'd missed by being out of town over the holidays, and 
picked out a few of the titles I'd missed:

Sandman (fine, so I'm a drooling sandboy)
Spidey 2099 (fine, so I'm a drooling spiderboy)
Swampy (fine, so I'm a drooling fernboy)
the Vertigo Preview (fine, so I'm a drooling deadpsychoticnecrophiliacdemonboy)
Warlock (er...my neighbor wanted it?)

and I'm leafing through Doom Patrol when this beautiful young woman (can't call
them 'girls', can we?) of about 21 or 22 comes in and says to me, in a sultry
voice:

"I heard that there's a new comic based on the X-Men series.  Could you direct
me to that shelf?"

*sigh...*

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From: teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero)
Subject: Re: Is that Susan Richards' new costume?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:07:23 GMT

jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:

>But there have been worse.  My vote for Fashion Impaired Character of All Time
>is Polaris,from her original black mesh to the most recent red and gold answer
>to Sue Richards 

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From: teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero)
Subject: Re: Vertigo Preview
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:41:52 GMT

silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage) writes:

>  Hmmm...  The other Sandman wears a gas-mask, which vaguely resembles
>_our_ Sandman's helm....  Coincidence?  Hmmmm... :)
	
	Actually, I'n not surprised at all about this, since in the first 
issue of Sandman we saw this guy in a few panels, running around in his version
of Dream's symbol of office.  I presumed that maybe he had dreamt of Dream and
decided to become a new one.  (Goofy and unsupported theory, but what the hell)

>  Kid Eternity: I missed it the first time, and it looks like i'll be
>skipping it now... (unless the first 2-3 issues prove themselves better
>than the preview...)  

	And Kid Eternity was SUCH a good series.  And Ann Nocenti is SUCH a 
good writer.  (One of my favorites, usually.)  However, this looked incredibly
uninteresting.  The two page synopsis of the ltd. series was extremely forced
and unnatural sounding, and the artwork was lousy.  I'll prolly pick up the
first couple of issues, out of loyalty to Ann, but if it doesn't get any better
than this, then I'll just have to write my own Kid Eternity series.

>  Swamp Thing...  is having a... n existential...  crisis.  is this....
>before or after.... he finds his... way home.... ? (Yes... as much as I
>... like swampy.... i find his speech.... patterns... slightly
>annoying...  :)

	I'm not a reader of Swamp Thing and if this is the way it's usually
written then I won't become one.  I read this and I kept thinking "Where's
Ian Curtis?  Is he hiding in that Plant Suit?"  Plant Angst.  Bleh.

>Well, that's my $0.02.  I'm looking forward to seeing *all* of these
>books when they come out, including the ones that look a little on the
>lame side... (hey, ya never know... :)

	TRVTH.  Well, almost all of them...

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Cerebus #165  <SPOILERS!!>
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:51:55 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1993Jan8.221442.7983@netcom.com>, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
> The Cirinists' interpretations of what is happening are unreliable.

You can say that again.  As has happened many times before, the people
in high places are reading waaay too much into Cerebus' actions.

For example:  Cerebus was never a Kevillist.  He was working in association
with Astoria, but he was always an Orthodox Tarimist, up to the Ascension
(no idea what is he now after his meeting with the Judge).  People start
accusing him of being a schemer and part of a bazillion fringe-groups,
when he actually is an earth-pig with simple motivations who belongs to
the old-time patriarchal religion.  As always, people over- or under-
estimate him.

> Did Elrod really 'snuff' twenty soldiers with pinpoint accuracy,
> or did he let off several thousand bolts, twenty of which somehow hit?  

The latter, we saw him do it.  Yet again, Elrod demonstrates that he's
an idiot with more luck than he deserves.  :-)

> The point about Cerebus being a
> disruptor of patterns seems to be well taken.

If you want to put it in "Big, Important Words", Cerebus is an Agent of
Chaos.  Time and time again, he's proven to be a single-minded force
which (often unwittingly) smashes through the status quo and becomes
the catalyst for change.

BTW, you forgot to mention how the Pigts are turning into a female-dominated
society.  This is significant.
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From: winston@ssrl01.slac.stanford.edu (Alan Winston)
Subject: Re: if Jesus(TM) is a Marvel character, then...
Organization: Stanford Synchrotron Radiation Lab
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 08:01:02 GMT

> Card #347 of Marvel Univers XXX cards - the Jesus rookie card, drawn by
> superstars Andy and Adam Kubert:
> 
> Name: Jesus
> Real Name: Jesus Christ
> Other Aliases: Son of God, the J-Man, Messiah

You realize, of course, that Son-of-God (TM) is *already* a National Lampoon
superhero.  I'm trying to remember whether the art was by Neal Adams or
Joe Orlando.  Neal Adams, I think.

If merely appearing in Marvel Comics is enough to make you a Marvel character,
I'd like to see the character sheet on Moby Dick, the Mutant Whale.

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From: djh4535@zeus.tamu.edu (HARRIS, DUANE J)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: bishop and sunspot
Date: 10 Jan 1993 18:47 CST
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i was wonder what exactly is sunspot's new blast.
concussion? plasma? what?

i also wonder about the definition of bishops power.
energy rechanneler is to easy because they haven't showed him channel
solar energy or grab a power line and electrify some one.

i'd like to know what would happen if rogue and gideon touched
did they ever mention who the other high-lords (i hate it as well ) were?

seth I
From: joak@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan A. Kung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: X-Men cartoon Jan.9,1993 - what was different?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 00:07:20 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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For those of you who didn't know, FOX showed the first two episodes
of its X-Men cartoon this past Saturday morning.  I read earlier
about how there would be new animation, cut footage included, etc.

The only thing I caught that was different was that they fixed Storm's
lightning when she flies up above the Sentinel factory and blasts the
one that follows.

I supposed the additional animation meant the "Upcoming episodes"
stuff.  What did I miss?  (of course, it's been awhile since my
original viewing)

I still think the art kind of sucks -- especially the larger-bodied
individuals like Wolverine, Sabretooth and the Beast -- their torsos
are so ridiculously ballooned, it's a wonder they don't pop!

-Jon Kung, liked how they handled that Flashback -- NOT
From: f1toyl@uta.fi (Topi Ylinen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Stupidest Mutant Power -- top this if you can!
Summary: Btw
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:43:56 GMT
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

u> <1i1085INNn6f@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>



> >lore@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Lore Christian Sjoberg):
> >>CHAMPION V
> >>
> >>Secret Identity: Buck Von Tiffany
> >>Power: Can control anything beginning with the letter "V".
> >>Angst: Fears that his powers are too useful, and the rest of the
> >>       team is jealous.
> 
> >This power is better than almost anything the major teams have.
> >Just imagine being able to control volume, velocity, viscosity,
> >vectors, violence, and vermin.  Why there are cities that would
> >pay a fortune merely for the services of someone who could 
> >control vandalism.  And, of course, if some interstellar menaces
> >threaten, CV could always use his power over velocity to ram
> >them with the planet Venus.
> 

Btw this whole idea reminds me of the machine in the first story of 
Stanislaw Lem's marvellous Cyberiad...

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From: Jason_Mulligan@camelot.apana.org.au (Jason Mulligan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Test
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From: jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle)
Subject: UXM #298
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Boyz from the Dwarf
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 04:11:00 GMT

	(minor spoilers ahead)






	Good God, it's actually a good issue of UXM! Character-wise, there's
only one flaw (the infamous Gambit-the-firefighter scene). I like the new
Acolytes -- wearing a standard uniform, no silly codenames (Kleinstock being
the partial exception... but then agian, calling them the Klein boys doesn't
have the same effect :-). The only bad thing about the issue is the fact that
the X-Men are almost helpless in combat. Page 19, both Bishop and Gambit get
tackled by Frenzy, even though both could have taken her out a distance.
Archangel flies up to Kleinstock, firing no wing knives (what was he planning
to do? Eviscerate them in one swoop?). And Bishop seems to have a full charge,
but doesn't use it to take down Kleinstock as they fire on the bus.
	I know, I'm being nitpicky, but for a team that's been fighting
together (more or less) for over ten years, they're still fighting like 
amateurs.

	Joe Delisle

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From: CXMP <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Re:  Bishop Energy Redirection
Organization: McGill University
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:01:37 GMT

>
> Would Bishop be able to shoot himself (say, in the foot, :D) with
> an ENERGY weapon and give himself a charge?  What blast would be
> more effective?  Should he simply shoot the enemy with the ENERGY
> weapon or should he shoot himself and use a (better?) channeled
> blast?
>
Maybe he should shoot himself in the head where he'd do himself the
least damage!
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