From: peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: RE: Spike Lee
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 18:23:48 PST
Distribution: world

1.  Over 20 states outlaw sexual intercourse between consenting adult 
    gay men.

I oppose any reference to the words "gay" in any statutes.  This would
mean that gays are protected by the same laws that anyone else is
protected by.  That goes for job discrimination, housing discrimination,
assault & battery, and all other individual rights under the Constitution.

	>Now you may argue that it's the form of sexual contact being 
	>regulated, not homosexuality.  
	
Sex belongs in the bedroom and out of the courts and statutes.        
	
	>From the above you may or may not acknowledge that in 20+ states 
	>gay male relationships are banned.  
	
They're legal in Georgia now, and I thought Georgis was about the most        
redneck state in the country.  The Supreme Court even struck down a
law in some state recently where a homosexual couple was arrested for
being homosexual.  I think this will set a nationwise precedent.  And
we know how CONSERVATIVE today's Supreme Court is.  Not to worry.

	>In the overwhelming majority of states and localities it is legal 
	>to deny employment, child custody (and visitation rights), housing, 
	>and official government recognition of relationships to lesbians, 
	
I oppose gay marriages, simply because a gay couple shouldn't get any tax        
breaks, like we give to heterosexual couples.  But then, I also oppose the
state giving tax breaks to heterosexual couples.  I feel that this is a
violation of the separation of church and state.  But I'm obviously not
speaking for a majority of voters.
	
	>I refer to the slowness or total lack of police response to gay 
	>bashing incidents, and frequent jury acquittals or judge dismissals 
	>of suspects (recent case in Texas:  man convicted of gay-bashing 
	>incident; 

Cops are a limited resource, granted.  They should treat all battery cases
with the same priority.

	>keeping your children, access to housing, and marriage are privileges 
	>not rights, and that this is another key distinction.

If I had my way, gays could marry just like heterosexuals do.  There would be
no tax bennies for anyone, just because they marry.

There is no law, anywhere, that says it's okay to discriminate against someone
because he's a homosexual.  Except in the armed forces.
						       
	>I want to be clear that the above section of this posting is only 
	>challenging your assumption that our society "allows" consenting 
	>adults to be lesbian, gay, or bisexual.  
	
What state has a statute that says homosexuality in the bedroom is illegal?        
I'd like to check up on this for myself.
	
	>I have not argued either way that homosexuality should or should
	>not be "allowed".  
	
Same here; I just said it was "gross".

	>As to your blatant homophobia (expressed specifically in your post 
	>by "allow" and "(Gross!)":

So I'm a little homopathic, but not homophobic.  "Phobia" refers to having 
an abnormal fear of something.  I got fired from my $40K job for making AIDS 
jokes on a newsgroup called "alt.tasteless".  I thought this was protected 
speech.  The homosexual lobby went after me with a vengeance.  I received 
public threats on a few gay newsgroups, yet not one reader of the homosexual 
newsgroup(s) made a public statement in  my favor.  My damn name was dragged
through the national newspapers and on local television.  So homophobic, most
definitely not.

But you know what...I don't hate any gay people.  I'd never vote to make it a
crime to be gay.  I just don't support the drive for "politically correct"
speech.

	>how generous of your liberal, tolerant self to "allow" 10% of the 
	>population to exist.

What do you feel about the 15% or so of the population in jail for drug
crimes, with no violence whatsoever associated with their cases?  Do they
deserve to be in trouble?  I vote no.  As usual, I'm in the minority.
How liberal are YOU?

Philip Stromer (peewee@infoserv.com)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american