HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: frank@glocke.hotb.sub.org (Frank Thomas)
Subject: Re: 3.0 info, hints, and kinks (sendmail version, and other stuff)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 21:41:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep20.172948.8838@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu  
(Louis A. Mamakos) writes:
> In article <1992Sep18.230453.1144@cube.handheld.com>  
jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
> I dunno.  This isn't one of those cases where its worth tracking down
> bugs in NeXT's software when you have superior alternatives available.
> I just run the latest IDA-foo sendmail on my system, and it works just
> fine.  (Both with 2.1 and 3.0.)  It doesn't handle aliases which are
> shoved into Netinfo, but this is a feature, not a bug as far as I'm
> concerned.  Aliases in /etc/sendmail/aliases works fine.  I'm running
> something which identifies itself as "5.65c/IDA-1.4.4".
> 
> I'm pretty surprised that NeXT doesn't just ship a real IDA-enhanced
> sendmail with real working sendmail.cf files.  Especially since
> Lennart Lovstrand, who did quite a bit with IDA-sendmail, now works
> for NeXT.
Why do you still use sendmail which (nearly?) noone can configure. I use  
smail3.1.25 which I enhanced to handle netinfo-aliases. I tried to mail my  
announcment to the address the author mentions in the doc's but got no  
responds yet. I can upload the stuff to some ftp-side or mail it somebody.  
Anyone interested ? 

Verified for 2.1
Not tested yet for 3.0 (but should be no problem).
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: adz@bistromath (Andrew D. Zenowich)
Subject: URGENT: Remote NeXT mail
Keywords: NeXTmail SLIP remote
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:12:30 GMT

HELP!!! 
  I have a demo on the 29th and I need the answer to this 
question as soon as posiable. Can a user with 2 NeXT 
machines, one at work and one at home, keep his mail stored 
on the work machine and still have access to it, through
NeXTmail, from home over a SLIP line. 
  In other words can a NeXT application, like NeXTmail,
be executed remotely over a network???

Thanks in advance;
    Drew
----------------------------------------------------------
Andrew D. Zenowich                           adz@mitre.org
From: bense@heart3.ucsd.edu (Booker C. Bense)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Praise and gripes about 3.0
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:46:27 GMT
Organization: San Diego Supercomputer Center @ UCSD

In article <BusJBv.4nr.2@cs.cmu.edu> ddj+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio) writes:
>Several people have said that 3.0 is slower than 2.1.  Are these
>people working with color machines?  If so, that's expected --
>remember, with all the new color icons the window depths will be
>promoted and all the windows will take up more memory (people wanted
>more color, but you have to pay for it).  Can somebody with a
>NeXTstation mono with 20M of memory comment on the relative speeds of
>2.1 and 3.0?
>-- 
>Doug DeJulio
>ddj+@cmu.edu

- Well, that's exactly what I have! Overall, 3.0 seems speedier to me
than 2.1, however it is slower in different places. Often unexpectedly
so, some of the window manipulation is overly cute ( when you iconify
a window you get a series of descending outline boxes to the icon). 
I'm beginning to suspect that it has to do with how the memory is
swapped. You pay a larger cost the first time you do something, but
everytime you use it after that it's MUCH faster. Also filemem now
has a man page, check it out!

 I also have a `030 cube with 12meg and 3.0 is pretty painful on that,
the difference between the two machines is much more noticable than
before.

 I suspect most of the people complaining have color slabs with 16mb.
Even with 32mb the color slab is just too slow.... The Turbo's
approach spiffiness, but I have yet to see any color workstation from
ANY VENDOR be of use with less than 32 mb. 

One thing I would suggest is that you build everything from scratch,
i.e. follow the directions for building a disk from scratch from the
CD. Update.app is well done, but the machine was noticably faster
after I rebuilt the entire filesystem.

- Anyway, Now we finally have a REAL 3d Graphics library!!!!!!
Of course we don't quite have the hardware to really make it fly.
I think the apps that will come out of this will make everyone 
forget about any 2.1 ``features''.... 

- My only real bitch about 3.0 is the lack of any authentication in
the Window Server, it's either EVERYBODY or nobody. 

- Booker C. Bense                    
prefered: benseb@grumpy.sdsc.edu	"I think it's GOOD that everyone 
NeXT Mail: benseb@next.sdsc.edu 	   becomes food " - Hobbes
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: NeXTstep 3.0 - communicae problems?
From: smithw@physc1.byu.edu
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:51:53 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University

Communicae sent out an upgrade flyer saying that the current
version won't work with 3.0.  If you want the new version
and you have 1.2, the upgrade costs  about $30.00.  If you
bought 1.2 since March 1992, the upgrade to 1.3 is FREE.
-Bill
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: tcarr@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Thomas Carr)
Subject: Re: problem installing Mathematica
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:40:42 GMT


Well I was able to answer my own question this morning.

Even though in some places the documentation says you can use your old
password, and even though it says that if you are upgrading your password
is on the license certificate included with the upgrade but wasn't, YOU
NEED A NEW PASSWORD.

I called WRI this morning and got it.  

Later,

Tom       tcarr@nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: tagreen@lothario.cica.indiana.edu (Todd A Green)
Subject: Floppy icon/Window promotion
Organization: CICA - Center for Innovative Computer Applications
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:31:01 GMT

Has anyone else noticed that the file
/usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app/floppy.tiff contains a 24bit
image whereas all other (workspace related) tiffs (that I've looked
at)only use 12bit tiffs (well plus the 2bit image)?  Wouldn't this
(unnecessarily) promote the window's depth to 24bits?  (Or is the max
depth coded to 12bits for FileViewers?)

Todd
P.S. No..I've not been programming in LISP lately..dunno why I'm
     paren happy :)
--
NeXTmail:  tagreen@cica.indiana.edu
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Praise and gripes about 3.0
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:22:02 GMT
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.

In article <5181@rosie.NeXT.COM> Brian_Pinkerton@next.com (Brian Pinkerton)  
writes:
> In article <1992Sep24.140404.22842@cube.handheld.com>  
> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
> > I was not able to attend the dev conf.  Does this mean we must have
> > and believe 'inside' info, from one slide, over the public
> > announcements?  Given that, how can we beleive anything NeXT says?
> > It's all "marketing hype" in the end!
> 
> If I were you, I'd believe an engineer's inside info 10 times more often  
> than I believed any marketing info.  This goes for any company, not just  
> NeXT.  The nice thing about NeXT is that the marketing line is a lot  
> closer to the truth than at other large computer companies.
> 
Well, thank you for admitting your marketing dept lies.  That you assume it is  
standard practice does not forgive it.  As an R&D employee of my own company, I  
know the risks of allowing engineering speak for the company.  And as to  
'inside' information, I am not permitted to even listen to such if it is not  
public, unless there is a written non-disclosure in place.

This is a dangerous practice you are speaking of.  One of the names in my state  
is "bait and switch".  You did it before with the NextDimension.

.....

> So, if you want to criticize 3.0's performance, keep in mind what was  
> gained at the cost of slower software.  Keep in mind what NeXT's  
> customers got for 3.0, when they got it, how much it costs, and what its  
> overall quality is compared to other large software products.  Above  
> all, keep in mind who NeXT's typical customer is, and what they want  
> from their software.
> 
My criticism is based on my expectations of performance, taken from publically  
available information sourced by NeXT.  I feel I can complain with  
justification, having only heard it would be faster.


> Finally, let me say that constructive, well informed suggestions are  
> listened to here at NeXT.  There's a lot we can do to improve  
> performance in 3.0, and we'd love to hear your ideas.
> 
Be honest from the beginning.  Company wide.


> Brian Pinkerton
> NeXT Software Engineering


Jim De Arras
VP, R&D
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: peter@beast.math.ualberta.ca (Peter Karbaliotis)
Subject: Re: Sounds played in Mail.app??
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:41:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.194016.15344@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>  
robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Robert Delucca) writes:
>I can't seem to get a sound file to be played when Mail
>gets Mail. Just doesn't work. Mailcall was nice - 
>Has anyone got a sound to sound?? How??? 
>

After setting the sound you want, you must hit the Set button
on the preferences panel.

--
Peter Karbaliotis - peter@beast.math.ualberta.ca (NeXTmail)
When a particle you don't even know gives you momentum, that's impulse.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: lones@lones.mit.edu (Lones Smith)
Subject: Re: CUSTOMIZING NEWSGRAZER
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:48:04 GMT

In article <91729@netnews.upenn.edu> arzt@dccs.upenn.edu (Noam H. Arzt) writes:
> In article <1992Oct3.215100.1387@athena.mit.edu> lones@lones.mit.edu (Lones  
> Smith) writes:
> > Hi,
> >      This is very easy for anyone who has used NG for a while. 
> > The subject may overstate the case.  But how do I get rid of (or at least
> > hide) from the newgroup browser all the myriad of groups that I don't wish  
to  
> 
> If you have already unsubscribed from them, choose List View from the Group  
> menu to only list the subscribed newsgroups. If you haven't unsubscribed from  
> them, edit your.newsrc file first.


This works, but ... I can't seem to get NG to allow List View as the default in  
preferences. Is this possible?

Lones Smith
From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: What's involved in a port?
Distribution: world
Date: 25 Sep 92 10:59:34 PST
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <1992Sep21.061520.6409@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno) writes:
>
>This is coming from someone who has never written an operating system.
>
>Why is it difficult to port an OS from one machine to another? I
>understand that some aspects of an operating system must be made hardware

    Four things:

    Device Drivers

    Device Drivers

    Device Drivers

    VM/MMU

				    -Matt
>
>-Anthony

--

    Matthew Dillon		dillon@Overload.Berkeley.CA.US
    1005 Apollo Way		uunet.uu.net!overload!dillon
    Incline Village, NV. 89451	ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop)
    USA 			Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Praise and gripes about 3.0
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:22:11 GMT
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.

In article <1992Oct1.220542.14650@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon  
Fortuna) writes:
> In article <1992Oct1.165220.25206@cube.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com  
(Jim De Arras) writes:
> >
> >Per my old-fashioned upbringing, in the (early) fifties, there is truth and  
> >!truth.  !Truth == lie.  The statement "...is a lot closer to the truth..."  
> >implies the position not the truth, and hence a lie.  I know that is out of  
> >sync with the nineties, where truth is more a matter of perception than an  
> >absolute, but I'm too old to change.
> >
> >Jim
> 
> Well, in your terminology "you are lying", because I am sure you are not too
> old to change. :)

Perhaps in general, but not on truth and lies.  I don't believe so, anyway! :-)

> I wanted to point out, that the person *can be far from the truth* only  
because
> he/she does not know the truth.
> 
Agreed, but in this case, the fellow 'admitted' that NeXT was not exactly  
telling the whole truth.  That they were closer to the truth than most was the  
rationalization used, but a clear admission that NeXT knew the truth, but chose  
to be only 'closer than most' to it.

> "lying" implies "cheating", isn't it (or I am *lying* now) ?
>
"Lying" implies willing misrepresentation of the truth so that the other party  
is purposely led to believe something that is not the truth.  Even if each fact  
used is true, the whole can easily be a lie.  Look at the presidential ads  
running, now!  Both (all three?) SOBs are lying.  What's left to vote for?

> 	-Z.

Perhaps this debate belongs in some other forum by now? ;-)


Jim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc
From: woo@ra-next.arc.nasa.gov (Alex Woo x6010 227-6 rm 315)
Subject: Can NewsGrazer archive a newsgroup?
Reply-To: woo@ames.arc.nasa.gov
Organization: RIACS, NASA Ames Research Center
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 18:46:25 GMT


Is there some way for NewsGrazer to archive all postings to a
particular newsgroup?  If not, how is this normally done?

Please E-mail responses.  Thanks.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: Hal.Varian@umich.edu
Subject: Re: Section headers in Mathematica.
Reply-To: Hal.Varian@umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan Math Dept
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:33:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.034821.6501@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes:
> Anthony Berno writes
> > Is there an easier way, preferably with a keystroke,
> > to automatically place a section cell into a notebook,
> > or to convert an input cell to a section cell?
> > 
> From the format menu, choose show ruler.  One of the things on the  
> ruler is a pop-up dispenser of styles.  Just place your cursor where  
> you want the start the new cell, pick the style you want from the  
> pop-up list, and keep going.

Or use Command-n, where n=1,2...9 to choose a style for a cell.
 --
> -
> Stefano Pagiola
> Food Research Institute, Stanford University
> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)

--
Hal.Varian@umich.edu    Hal Varian
voice: 313-764-2364     Dept of Economics
fax:   313-764-2364     Univ of Michigan
                        Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
From: rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce #305)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Gourmet.app under 3.0
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:26:12 GMT
Reply-To: rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce #305)
Organization: Cookson, Peirce & Co., Pittsburgh, PA

I had this working under 2.x.  Now it stopped working again.
I even resorted to reloading mathematica into NextApps, which
is where Gourmet.app wanted to find it.  The program starts to
load and then hangs.  Any ideas?

-- 
Bob Peirce, Pittsburgh, PA         rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us         412-471-5320
venetia@investor.pgh.pa.us [NeXT Mail]  !uunet.uu.net!pitt!investor!rbp [UUCP]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.unix.shell
From: per@erix.ericsson.se (Per Hedeland)
Subject: Re: *obnoxious* & *virulent* TCSH BUG! [the evil maintainer writes back]
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 08:41:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.023709.21074@deshaw>, christos@deshaw.com (Christos Zoulas) writes:
|> The terminal handling has been changed in tcsh-6.02. Specifically the
|> tcsh command line editor in 6.02 uses the rightmost column of the
|> terminal and does not use carriage return to wrap to the next line
|> (when possible).

As the person who attempted to get this evil line wrapping to finally
behave right, I'd like to point out that I did in fact introduce an evil
bug in it, which will only manifest itself on certain terminals. "It
will be fixed in the next release":-), but if you're impatient and get
hold of the source, you could try applying the patch below. A workaround
might be to make sure, e.g. by setting some tabstops, that you can 'tab'
your way to the rightmost column of the screen (while not in tcsh, of
course) - if you can already do this, your problem is presumably
something else.

--Per Hedeland
per@erix.ericsson.se  or
per%erix.ericsson.se@sunic.sunet.se  or
...uunet!erix.ericsson.se!per

*** ed.screen.c.orig	Sat May 16 02:00:47 1992
--- ed.screen.c	Sun May 24 09:44:47 1992
***************
*** 878,888 ****
  			for (i = (CursorH & 0370); i < (where & 0370); i += 8)
  			    (void) putraw('\t');	/* then tab over */
  			CursorH = where & 0370;
! 			if (CursorH < where && where == (TermH - 1)) {
! 			    /* optimize: we can tab to the last column */
! 			    (void) putraw('\t');
! 			    CursorH = where;
! 			}
  		    }
  		}
  		/* it's usually cheaper to just write the chars, so we do. */
--- 878,887 ----
  			for (i = (CursorH & 0370); i < (where & 0370); i += 8)
  			    (void) putraw('\t');	/* then tab over */
  			CursorH = where & 0370;
! 			/* Note: considering that we often want to go to
! 			   TermH - 1 for the wrapping, it would be nice to
! 			   optimize this case by tabbing to the last column
! 			   - but this doesn't work for all terminals! */
  		    }
  		}
  		/* it's usually cheaper to just write the chars, so we do. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: tcarr@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Thomas Carr)
Subject: problem installing Mathematica (upgrade)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:57:27 GMT

Hi,

(Extensive flaming of the Mma registration process deleted.)

Well I just got my upgrade to 2.1 and I am trying to install it.  When I
run the MathInstaller program (the 2nd part of the installation process) I
get an error associated with the mathpass file.

In the installation process window I can see that it checks my machine name
properly but then gives and error: BADMATHPASS.  A panel tells me to check
my dump screen for details.

In the Console I read,

"Checking password file mathpass:

No password found.
See installation instructions on how to set up your mathpass file."

I checked my mathpass file and all the info. is there ie. machine mame,
mathid, license #, password.

So I don't see what the problem is.

Does the password change for the upgraded version?  The Temporary License
Certificate did not have a new password so I assumed I should use the old
one.  The program said it was OK when it asked for it.

Anyway, any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Tom     (Thomas W. Carr,      tcarr@nwu.edu (sorry, not NeXTMail-able)
Newsgroups: Comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Problem installing Mathematica (upgrade)
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: na
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Keywords: 

Hi,

(Extensive flaming of the Mma registration process deleted.)

Well I just got my upgrade to 2.1 and I am trying to install it.  When I
run the MathInstaller program (the 2nd part of the installation process) I
get an error associated with the mathpass file.

In the installation process window I can see that it checks my machine name
properly but then gives and error: BADMATHPASS.  A panel tells me to check
my dump screen for details.

In the Console I read,

"Checking password file mathpass:

No password found.
See installation instructions on how to set up your mathpass file."

I checked my mathpass file and all the info. is there ie. machine mame,
mathid, license #, password.

So I don't see what the problem is.

Does the password change for the upgraded version?  The Temporary License
Certificate did not have a new password so I assumed I should use the old
one.  The program said it was OK when it asked for it.

Anyway, any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Tom     (Thomas W. Carr,      tcarr@nwu.edu (sorry, not NeXTMail-able)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Problem installing Mathematica (upgrade)
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: na
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Keywords: 

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
From: michael@stb.info.com (Michael Gersten)
Subject: Interest in an Amiga emulator?
Organization: Serial Tree BBS, +1 310 319 3778
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 00:33:15 GMT


Is there interest in an Amiga emulator for the NeXT?

How much would you be willing to pay for an emulator? $50? $500? $300?

What features would you be looking for?
	Multiple amiga's
	Communication between serial ports
	"Fake ethernet" support?
	MMU emulation?

	How about splitting the keys/mouse among various amiga's?
		(two people playing a modem game on two simulated amigas 
		on one NeXT)?

How important is compatibility with copy protected floppies?
How important is true emulation of the floppy disk?
How important is *any* emulation of the floppy disk (vs. only a SCSI controller
	or just a file system driver)?

		Michael
-- 
		Michael Gersten		michael@stb.info.com
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From: sritchie@cs.ubc.ca (Stuart Ritchie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software
Subject: Re: Praise and gripes about 3.0
Date: 27 Sep 1992 16:27:16 -0700
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: stephen.cs.ubc.ca

Sam_Streeper@next.com writes:
>In 1.0, Edit used buffered windows.
>In 2.0, Edit used retained windows, ...
>For 3.0, Edit is using a buffered window again.  Sheer scolling speed is down,  
>but to my eye it's much easier to read scrolling text.  I think visible vs.  
>buffered redraws is something of a religious issue; I don't really expect to  
>convince anybody of rightness one way or the other.

It's interesting that the comments to the net have been about
slower scrolling speed and not improved readability.  

Well, you can't please everyone.  The solution?  Stick a buffered/retained
radio button in the Edit preference panel.

>-sam

I really like seeing comments like this from engineers at NeXT.
Please keep it up!!

...Stuart
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