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From: skatz@bbn.com (Susan Katz)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Indoor activities for parents and small kids
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:46:26 GMT
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com

I took a look in the Toys and Games FAQ, but I didn't see anything
about this, so...

I'm looking for ideas of indoor activities that I can do with my 15
month old and 3 1/2 year old daughters.  I'm looking for activities
that the 15 month old can participate in (i.e. no small parts), but
will still be of interest to my 3 yr old.

The kids play pretty independently with their toys during the day, and
I want to gather an arsenal of ideas for ~5-15 minute activities that
I can do WITH them in the evening.

Here are some things we have done already:
   blowing bubbles (I can't believe my 15m old can do this, but she can!)
   science experiments (from the recent postings on misc.kids)
   coloring with crayons
   dancing/movement with music
   water play (in a small basin)

Activities from 2yr or 3yr birthday parties would probably work well.
I'll summarize any email messages that I receive.  Many thanks in
advance.

skatz@bbn.com
Xref: sparky misc.kids:28517 sci.med:21071
From: dudding@sallyride.crd.ge.com (Kate Dudding)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
Subject: Re: 2 year old traumatizes front teeth
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:10:26 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

When I was about 4, I fell off my high chair and had a gray tooth for a while. 
I can't remember when the tooth fell out, and I think I'd remember if
the dentist removed it.  My adult teeth at just fine 38 years later.

Just one (vague) data point.
-- 
Kate Dudding                                   dudding@crd.ge.com
GE Corporate Research and Development
Bldg. KW, Room C315
PO Box 8, Schenectady, NY 12301                (518) 387-7164
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Car seat battles (13 mos)
Date: 23 Nov 92 10:17:46 GMT
	<168A2FFC3.M17257@mwvm.mitre.org>
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <168A2FFC3.M17257@mwvm.mitre.org> M17257@mwvm.mitre.org writes:

   >In article <92314.100920CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
   >>Over the last month Doug (13.5 mos) has developed a fierce determination not
   >>to get into his carseat. . .  Any hints in the meantime to make things easier?

   I've been having the same problem and letting Stefan get into the driver's
   seat hasn't really worked for me, he doesn't want to get out! :-)

   I'm positive he'll be ten and will be asking for the keys to the car.  :-)

   [...]

   Anybody else have any ideas, answers, words of wisdom from years of experience?
   :-)  :-)   :-)   :-)

Hang in there. Wow this post brought up distant memories. Actually, 9
mo Robin is starting to reach for the steering wheel when I try to put
him into his seat, I thought he was too young for that.

We went through some bouts of that with Katherine during her toddler
years. We'd also often allow her to 'drive' *AFTER* we arrived at the
destination, not beforehand - although I remember spending a lot of
time with her 'driving'. In general, we were just consistant, and
sometimes we had to force it, until she got the idea. Any kind of
distraction can help - a bottle, food, music, talking about the
destination, talking about anything going on outside the car.

This too shall pass - remember I said it was a distant memory for a
mom of a 3 year old....
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mbb@keps.kodak.com (Maureen Busch)
Subject: Re: After the Stork Long Underwear
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:58:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.154056.21972@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>Just out of curiosity, has anyone on this group ever had a child
>saved from injury by a flame-resistant garment?  (Friends of friends
>don't count.)

Maybe this doesn't count, but I went to school with a girl who suffered 3rd
degree burns on the front of her body from the neck to the waist when her
nightgown, which was not flame-resistant, caught on fire when she reached
across a candle.  It was a terrible accident caused in part by carelessness,
but I'm sure she and her family will always wonder what her life would have
been like had she been wearing flame-resistant sleepwear (skin grafts are
not fun, and the tissue was damaged badly enough that she would never develop
breasts).
-- 
Maureen Busch
Internet: mbb@keps.com	<--note new address!
UUCP: ...!uunet!munsell!cairo!mbb (I think)
DISCLAIMER:  The opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
Newsgroups: misc.kids,news.groups,soc.roots,news.admin.misc,alt.adoption
From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier)
Subject: Re: RFD/CFD: soc.adoption
Organization: SSC, Inc.,  Seattle, WA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:42:20 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Kim Vick (kvick@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM) wrote:
: In article <1ehi06INNm3r@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> randall-joshua@yale.edu (Joshua
: Randall) writes:
: >Could both of you say *why* you think this group should be created?
: >
: >Also, I agree with an earlier poster:  this "RFD" does not follow the guilde-
: >lines.  Scrap it, see if there's really any interest, and if so, start over.
: 
: Joshua - I have read some of your posts, and I was wondering - has anyone ever
: told you that you've got a real attitude problem?

You crosspost something to news.admin.misc and you end up dealing
with a bunch of people with attitude problems or worst.

Get a $%^&* Clue.  And dig up a copy of the guidelines.

And quit crossposting every bloody Request for Discussion to 
news.admin.*, that's not what it's about.

Mark Zenier  markz@ssc.wa.com
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (S. Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: What does it mean when it's GREEN?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 10:48:51 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


A bright green stool can also mean that the child had a grape popsicle or
alot of grape kool-aid type drink.

-Shirl
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: 6197110@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: >>>> a new fun thread??..kids looking like parents
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 15:46:35 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>Most Amerasian kids have American hair and eyes, dark yellowish complexion,
>double eyelids and the bigger American build.  In fact, the American
>facial features also dominate although there does tend to be a slant in

>                       Steve Simmons

I'm curious--just what are "American hair and eyes," and "American facial
features"???      :)  :)

Ramona
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mwalker@taimyr.Colorado.EDU (Marilyn Walker)
Subject: Birth announcement
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:03:41 GMT

Marilyn and Skip Walker are THRILLED to announce the birth of:

Daniel Denali Walker
10 November 1992
7 lbs, 2.5 ozs
9 and 9 apgars 

He was named after a close friend who also happened to be the OB who
delivered him.  Denali is an Athabascan word meaning "The Great One" and is
also the name of the highest peak in North America (formerly known as Mt.
Mckinley).  

Although he was 12 days early, I had been saying for about a week that I
thought he might come that day, due to a full moon and prediction of snow!
Water broke at 3:50 am, labor began at 5 am.  We went to the hospital at
9:30 with easy contractions coming 3 minutes apart.  I was 90% effaced and
3 cm, so we spent the morning walking around a nearby park and even having
some visitors.  Hard work began in the afternoon, and about 7:30 PM I began
pushing him into the world.  I am now a great believer in the Bradley method,
as he came with both of us fully alert.  It was wonderful to be conscious
and cognizant during my labor, discussing what was happening between
contractions and concentrating during them.  My husband had been somewhat
concerned about his coaching abilities, but he was the greatest and was
absolutely thrilled about it all.  

Marilyn Walker
mwalker@taimyr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: JUTTA.LAGE@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Jutta Lage")
Subject: RE: Episiotomies...
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:01:09 GMT

Yes, I can understand that you are scared about your upcoming birth experience
considering you don't have a lot of support from that doctor. I had a c-seectio
n the first time - 13 years ago - and I am going for VBAC. I am concerned about
episiotomies too but my doctor told me not to even worry about that. We will se
e when we get there but we will try without one first. If you do NOT lay down d
uring birth but remain in a squatting position or on hands and knees your tailb
one can move to its max and your perinium can stretch to its max. Massaging the
perinium on top of that results in a high chance of not having an episiotomy
(so I was told). I also was told by a nurse to start massaging the perinium
around 6 weeks before the birth date with a little bit of VEGETABLE OIL....
Also she said it is a good idea to not be wiped down with alcohol when the head
crowns since it will remove all the natural moisture. Anyway...I also take in
any good advice from a good nurse, doctor or friendly midwife. Good luck
to you too! Jutta
From: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: EXPERIMENTING WITH BABY FORMULA
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:04:57 GMT
Reply-To: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix, Inc. - Redmond, OR

In article <1992Nov16.180305.19424@sdiego.uucp>, marsi@sdiego.uucp (Marsi Hauer) writes:
|> tostan@bert.lerc.nasa.gov (Stan Mohler) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >Our 3-month old is still getting up several times a night and is fussy alot.
|> >His fussiness temporarily decreased when we switched from milk-based to soy-
|> >based formula.  But now it looks like he's fired up again.  Would someone please
|> >list all the different formulas and what they're based on 
|> >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> I've had really good luck with a formula called SMA.  

I also had problems when I started my now-10-month-old daughter on formula.
She became extremely fussy and unhappy.  I would put her on Pedialyte to
settle her stomach and she'd calm down, then when I gave her formula again
she'd get upset again.  I tried Isomil (soy-based), Similac (milk-based), 
SMA (milk-based, I think, and recommended by one of our pediatricians).  The 
Similac and the SMA and some of the other milk-based formulas, like Enfamil, 
come in both low-iron and iron-fortified versions, and I tried both.  I couldn't 
find a low-iron soy formula.  ProSobee is another (I think) soy-based formula.
None of these worked for us.

I finally posted a plea for help to the net, and got a lot of helpful responses
(thanks once again, everyone!)  The upshot of the whole situation was that I
gave up on regular formula and tried the expensive hypoallergenic formula
called Nutramigen.  It worked!  My daughter was happy.  I was happy.  In light
of this, the cost was insignificant.  She was on Nutramigen until she was about
six months old, then I switched her to Similac, which no longer bothers her.

Good luck with your son!

Judy Drake

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ginger@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Ginger Ogle)
Subject: Orthodontics  :(
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:50:22 GMT

I paid my first visit ever to an Orthodontist the other day, on behalf of
my 10-year-old kid. I was very VERY happy to learn that his mouth would
cost in the low-3-digit range instead of the high-4 as I had expected.
However, being inexperienced in the realm of expensive mouthwork, and also
admittedly skeptical, I need some guidance, advice, anecdotes.

Here's the situation: It's basically cosmetic. His adult teeth in front are
kinda crooked. The two top teeth are ok, but the bottom front ones make a
backwards V, and the surrounding teeth on the bottom overlap a bit. He has
about 5 loose baby teeth that still have to come out, and I don't know
how many adult teeth in various stages of coming in.

The Ortodontist says there is plenty of room for all of them to come in.
He says in about a year, they'll be in, and some or all of the crooked 
ones might have straightened out, but "you never can tell." I had the
feeling that he had braces in mind after all the teeth come in.

For now, he wants to put a retainer on the permanent back molars to 
"reserve" the space now available to the teeth that will be coming in.
He says the back molars may gravitate forward, leaving no room, which
might necessitate pulling some teeth later on. The retainer is
not too expensive, though our insurance won't cover it, and it is a
substantial expense for us. (Our insurance will cover part of the braces, 
if needed in a year.)

My gut feeling is to wait and see what happens over the next year. Maybe
the molars will shift without the retainer, but maybe they won't. Am I 
being too suspicious of the orthodontist? Is this a good reason to get a
retainer? 

Thanks!
Ginger
-- 
/*   Ginger Ogle	       ginger@cory.berkeley.edu	
 *   EECS
 *   University of California at Berkeley, California
 */
From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: I dislocated his arm!
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:06:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <3181@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM>, sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis) writes:
> 
> 
> Well, I found out the hard way how easy it is to accidently pull Ryan's
> elbow too hard.  

    [most of post deleted]

Well, Susan, don't feel too bad. I had a similar experience with
Brendan (now 6) when he was 18 months or 2 years (can't remember
exactly now). We were horsing around on the bed and he suddenly
just started crying nonstop. I don't recall hearing a "pop" but
we took him to the doctor and after consulting a book for a minute,
he just twisted the arm in the proper way and the crying stopped
like magic. I felt terrible for a long time afterwards (long
after Brendan had forgotten the whole thing)

Richard

> -- Susan Davis (Mommy to Ryan 19 months and ?? Due 5/6/93)
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |Susan P. Davis, Design Services |  >>>>                 Susan.Davis@ncr-mpd |  |NCR Microelectronics  (AT&T)    | >>>>         Susan.Davis@ColoSpgs.NCR.COM |  |Colorado Springs, CO            |>>>>(719) 596-5795 x435 VOICEplus 463-0435 |
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>
From: lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov (Lindsay Schachinger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: After the Stork and Hanna sizes
Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:56:28 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov (Lindsay Schachinger)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.22

In article <1992Nov16.212307.15764@adobe.com> riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle) writes:

>Yep, when there was a mistake with my order (only once) they rushed
>out a replacement FedEx and picked up UPS, no charge.  They have
>wonderul service.

I'll have to try that next time. Every time I've mailed something
back for an exchange, it's taken well over a month to get back to
me. Their standard returns/exchange dept. is incredibly slow! 

Lindsay


-- 

   Lindsay Schachinger			lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov
   Exploratory Studies Group		ucbvax!sesame.lbl.gov!lindsay
   Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory		(510) 486-5009
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Subject: Cute Things They Say (3.9)
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:28:21 GMT

Laura was explaining the anatomy of her teddy bear to me:

Laura (pointing to the bottom)  This is his bottom.
Laura (pointing to the crotch)  This is his girl parts.


-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia K. Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Brahm's lullaby
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:01:38 GMT
Reply-To: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com (Julia K. Miller)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center


	
	Does anyone know the words to Brahm's (sp?) lullabye?  Thanks

Julia
From: lewis@linac.fnal.gov (June Cummins Lewis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Diaper Services - worth it ?
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:36:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: linac.LF#U97WVE
Organization: Fermilab, Batavia, IL

In article <1992Nov14.154827.14794@bcrka451.bnr.ca> seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson) writes:
>So, if I recycle all my newspapers, and compost all my grass clippings,
>yard waste and most kitchen waste, and try to avoid excess packaging (all 
>of which I have been doing since before my children were born), then I shouldn`t 
>worry about cloth vs disposable?  In my area, there has been newspaper
>recycling for many years, and this year, the municipalities banned grass
>clippings and yard waste from the garbage.  But I have always thought
>that it was unfair to pick on parents of young children, who have enough
>problems just coping with life without feeling overly guilty about their
>diaper choices.  (My guys have been out of diapers for ~3 years, and I
>used disposables, but still had less garbage to put out than most of my
>neighbours with older (or no) kids.)

Thanks for saying this, Seanna.  We also recycle all of our paper,
glass, plastic, yard waste, etc.  But we use disposable diapers.  We
tried cloth diapers twice; both times my son had constant rashes (even
after the diaper service used a special rinse for his diapers) and
his diapers leaked constantly.  I found the cloth diapers extremely
inconvenient, but the main reason we stopped using them was they were
not good for my son's health.  Should I have continued to use them
even though they made my son and me miserable?  

You people who keep bashing our decision to use disposable diapers
would have your words receive a better audience if you took this
approach: rather than just insisting that we switch to cloth, how
about suggesting ways we can make the use of disposable diapers more
environmentally sound?  For example, Huggies recently came out with
ultra-thin diapers which have less than half the bulk of the regulars
ones (that's what it looks like--it could be less or a little more).
Why not encourage us to use these thinner diapers or tell us what we
could ask for in a letter-writing campaign to these companies?  You're
acting like this situation is black and white, and it simply is not.  
Rather than keep on with your holier-than-thou attitudes, try working
with us.

It really bothers me that the "targeted population" mentioned in a
previous post (the group of disposable diaper users) is one largely
made up of younger women.  I don't think it's just because diapers
users are a specific bunch of people--I think it has to do with us
being a group that's very easy to target.  'Nuff said.

June




-- 
"Saying that men talk about baseball in	order to avoid talking about their
feelings is the same as saying that women talk about their feelings in order
to avoid talking about baseball."
			--Deborah Tannen, author of _You Just Don't Understand_
From: ivy@chem.ucsd.edu (Ivy Blumberg)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: What is a spanking (Re: Our parents and spanking)
Date: 19 Nov 1992 23:34:24 GMT
Organization: University of California San Diego, Chemistry
NNTP-Posting-Host: chedccf0.ucsd.edu

In article <24154@alice.att.com> llf@alice.UUCP (alice!llf) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.171301.26549@cs.brown.edu> mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine) writes:
>So... For those folks who DO spank, or believe that spanking is sometimes
>useful, even if they haven't had to.... can you define a "spanking"?
>I don't think we can talk rationally without a working definition.
>

When I spank I take my daughter into a bedroom(away from any other
kids watching)  I use a small paddle 3 swats on the bare butt.  Then
I reinforce what behavior I expect and we hug and it's over and we
move on as long as she has a different attitude.  I don't believe
in spanking when I'm mad or for anything she doesn't know is wrong.

Just mho,

ivy
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Mattresses
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:09:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

> hildin@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (kathleen.a.hildin) writes:
>I'm interested in any information you folks could
>provide re: purchasing a mattress for a baby's crib.  

If you answered me on this topic last spring, you don't have to answer
Cathy--I just forwarded all of the responses I got to her.  If
anyother parents-to-be want the file, just e-mail me.

p.s.  Didn't I just post this? :-)
I also have files on:
   back pain in middle pregnancy
   fiber and constipation problems
   bassinets and other newborn sleeping places
   
FAQs:
   breast pumps
   circumcision
   gestational diabetes



--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: zippy@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.s.albert)
Subject: dangerous toy list
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:54:18 GMT
Keywords: did anyone catch this?

On the radio yesterday during the news, I heard them mention that
someone (didn't hear who) had put out a list of the 10 most dangerous
toys.  The item was newsworthy because 2 of the 10 were from Fisher
Price.  Did anyone happen to catch what's on the list?

	Steve Albert (Billy's dad [29 months])
	ssa@usl.com
From: ncramer@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: babies pulling long hair
Date: 20 Nov 1992 14:20:03 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
Reply-To: ncramer@labs-n.bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


From another perspective:

I've never had a problem with my daughter pulling my hair (although, in
fact, my hair is somewhat longer than my wife's, whose hair is very short).

On the other hand, my first daughter went through a phase where she would
be lying in my lap and would reach up, _grab_a_handful_of_beard_ and pull
herself into a sitting position!

I didn't shave, but there was a six-month period there where I kept my
beard well-trimmed.

N
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: What is a spanking (Re: Our parents and spanking)
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:39:27 GMT
	<1992Nov10.171301.26549@cs.brown.edu>
	<00721699640@elgamy.uucp.taronga.com>
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <00721699640@elgamy.uucp.taronga.com> elg@elgamy.uucp.taronga.com (Eric Lee Green) writes:

   My father wouldn't use a bare hand because, he said, "if you hit too hard,
   you can bruise something or break a bone."

   Instead, he used a leather belt.

   It allowed him to get the immense pleasure of whaling away at a screaming
   child, without the possibility of causing damage that would get CPS to haul
   the kids away.

   I suggest that if you are wishing to cause pain to your children, you look
   into this possibility, too. After all, why would you want to be hauled away
   by CPS for child abuse after having to take your kid into the emergency
   room due to hitting him too hard?

Yes, but a belt will leave marks - something CPS will also lock you
away for. And in some areas, using a belt on a child is illegal - it
is defined as child abuse, no matter WHAT the situation.
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish