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From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Subject: Deja Vu
Followup-To: alt.consciousness
Summary: What causes Deja-vu experiences?
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:35:31 GMT
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What causes Deja-vu experiences?

Sometimes you think you recall the situation you're just in, you are
convinced that 'this has happened already', either in a dream or in
reality. But usually you can't state exactly how and when.

Some possible explanations of this could be:

1. Self-delusion. One little bit of the situation may be similar to
something that has really happened, and you add the other parts in
your memory wrongly. [I don't think it is that easy to explain.]

2. Corrupted memory. Later you remember that you dreamt of a situation
that happened actually after it happened, but you confuse the order of
events. [This does not explain the situation in the moment that it
happens, and it does indeed happen as I can recall. Maybe these
recalls are all wrong due to reason 1, but I think tey are not.]

3. Actual precognition. By some means yet to be explained, your
consciousness can gain information of things yet to come. [Somebody
really should conceive a theory how that works!]

4. Telepathy could also be involved, as these deja-vus are often
linked to particular persons, and maybe these have the same feeling at
that time. (Can somebody remember such a situation, and having told
the other part about it?) [A theory on this would be appreciated,
too.]

5. More exotic explanations could feature memories from a past life or
some nonhuman force manipulating our mind, among others.

Any comments?

[Note the Followup line]

MfG,
        Olaf
-- 
Olaf Titz - comp.sc.student - Univ of Karlsruhe - s_titz@iravcl.ira.uka.de -
uknf@dkauni2.bitnet - praetorius@irc - +49-721-60439 - did i forget something?
What high-level language should one use for system programming? The only
 reasonable candidate today is PL/I. - Fred Brooks (1975)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: wolffie@u.washington.edu
Subject: What goes around comes around
Reply-To: wolffie@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:44:06 GMT

I dreamt that I found some folded bills as I walked up a stairwell behind  
some other people.  I hastily put them in my left pants pocket (where I  
never put money), and I was ashamed of not asking the folks up ahead if the  
money was theirs.  I didn't count it, but there was at least one $20 bill.

When I awoke, the money was gone!
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Dreams, yeah right!]
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 00:07:31 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <92239.144732STHARRY@MIAMIU.BITNET> Who do you think? <STHARRY@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:

     [ all deleted ]

Your underlying motive is to have participants in alt.dreams convince you
that dream research has merit. But since your inquiry isJimpolite, the
best way for others to respond is not to respond at all.

Goodbye.
Organization: Junior, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Date: Tue,  1 Sep 1992 20:10:46 -0400 
From: Yazid Fadl <yf10+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: dream of future wife

I had two dreams on two consecutive days of my 'future wife'.  I didn't
see a face clearly, but all the other features were prominent.  The
first day I dreamed we were on a date, and the second day I dreamed that
I was talking with her parents (also faceless) about marrying their
daughter.  This dream 'felt' different than other dreams that I've had
about girls.  Has anyone else experienced this, and if so, did your
current spouse match your dream?
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: ralph@sundeck.megatek.com (Ralph Wickwire)
Subject: Re: mechanics in dreams
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:43:25 GMT

I design new mechanical objects, and new electronic
devices in my dreams. I work with the new devices,
and mold them, and use them, and keep adjusting until
I am satisfied with the performance. I can keep track
of more details, and more facts, and more dimensions of the
design process when I am dreaming than in real life.

Dreaming is an extremely good mechanism for synthesizing
design details from known facts. Sometimes I even make up
"facts" to complete a design while I'm asleep, and then
when I wake up I find out if there is anything in reality
that closely resembles those "facts" so the design will
work properly. There usually is something extremely close. 
(Call it an educated guess, then research to confirm)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Dreams, yeah right!]
From: Who do you think? <STHARRY@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 26 Aug 1992 14:47:32 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

People think that dreams are so important.  Don't they realize how weak they
are to make a major life decision based upon there dreams.  They need more
concrete  oporational thinking to base a decision upon.  They need to get help
Although I do think that dreams are there for a reason <I just think  people
make too much of a dream.
--
Thoughts of no consequence,
Steve (a.k.a. ?)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: robg@citr.uq.oz.au (Rob Geraghty)
Subject: Re: Drug-induced dreams
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 08:49:05 GMT

Will Kessler <kessler@roses.stanford.edu> writes:

>Hello dreamers,

>I have always believed in paying attention to vivid dreams even if I am
>not sure of the meaning of their content.  As regards the "foretelling of
>the future" discussion, I would like to see consideration of this concept
>in terms of subliminal suggestions.  We've all heard about CocaCola being
>sold in theaters without the customers even being aware of the suggestion
>made by a single frame of movie film.  This is so effective/insidious it
>was banned.

>(stuff deleted about how the subliminal memory affects reality)

It is a nice idea.  However I have had dreams which foretold the future
but involved events which could not possibly be explained this way.
For example,  when travelling in the US we visited the Grand Tetons.
Driving down to Jenny Lake, I left my parents at the car and walked down
to the water.  Turning around, for the next thirty seconds the whole
sequence of events was *exactly* what had happened in a dream a year or
so before.

I had never been to the US before.  This is a mundane sequence of
events - what could possibly cause this subliminally?

My own theory is that this sort of thing happens all the time - for most
people, they don't remember the original dream and call it Deja-vu.

As to *how* it happens - maybe I'll leave that to alt.conciousness ....

Rob

--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rob Geraghty                         | Time, flowing like a river
robg@durian.citr.oz.au               | Time, beckoning me
CITR                                 | APP
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Subject: Re: Dreams, yeah right!
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:01:47 GMT
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In <92239.144732STHARRY@MIAMIU.BITNET> Who writes:

>  People think that dreams are so important.  Don't they realize how weak they
>  are to make a major life decision based upon there dreams.  They need more
[...]

Besides your whole posting looking suspiciously like being intended to
provoke a flame war...

You seem to confuse something. Here are people trying to interpret
dreams as to gain experience about themselves, and then there are
people trying to 'manage' their dreams [cf. lucid dreaming] as part of
their life, to improve life quality somehow; and people even doing
both; and exchanging opinions and experiences here.

Nothing wrong with it I can see.

Making major life decisions based on dreams means to get deluded by
them, and tempted into doing wrong, *if* it turns out to be wrong. But
to make such decision based *solely* on dreams and *completely* wrong
you have to be highly ignorant of the outside-dreams world. (No I don't
say 'real world'; dreams are part of it!) I suspect there are few
people that stupid.

On the other hand, to consciously deal with dreams can indeed make
life easier. Many people are frequently haunted by nightmares. Since
dreaming is a function of consciousness, if you really fear
nightmares, you *will* get them again, so the problem will persist.
The first step to overcome it, however, is to *realize* that it is
indeed a problem. The next step is more difficult, but it seems that
it can be done. I have no general recipe on how to get rid of
nightmares, and there may be many reasons that are more difficult to
deal with, but at least sometimes being aware of nightmares can
suppress them.  My personal experience: since I started being aware of
lucid dreaming, I hardly had any nightmares again. I suspect this
observation holds for many people. Being aware of your dreams can help
improve life quality.

Nothing wrong with it, again.


MfG,
        Olaf
-- 
Olaf Titz - comp.sc.student - Univ of Karlsruhe - s_titz@iravcl.ira.uka.de -
uknf@dkauni2.bitnet - praetorius@irc - +49-721-60439 - did i forget something?
Coding is "90% finished" for half of the total coding time. Debugging
 is "99 % complete" most of the time. - Fred Brooks
From: rick.guthier@cccbbs.UUCP (Rick Guthier) 
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: DROP
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:18:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Cincinnati Computer Connection BBS - Cincinnati, OH - 513-752-8248
Reply-To: rick.guthier@cccbbs.UUCP (Rick Guthier)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: fis@evil.demon.co.uk (fis)
Subject: I
X-BBS-Msg-Type: E
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:38:58 +0000


I dream.

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gen5006@husky1.stmarys.ca
Subject: mechanics in dreams
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 02:50:38 GMT

Has anyone out there in dreamland been able to get machanical devices in dreams
to actually work?  I've given up on makin em work in my dreams, i just use 
hokus pokus magic which seems to work fine.  ( O' course it would be more fun
if i could get the damn grenade launchers to work.  Maybe i need to read the
instructions? ;)  Anybody got any ideas?

Bill.

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Subject: Re: dream of future wife
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:03:38 GMT

In article <Ied0O6e00VoyI=5kor@andrew.cmu.edu> Yazid Fadl <yf10+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I had two dreams on two consecutive days of my 'future wife'.  I didn't
>see a face clearly, but all the other features were prominent.  The
>first day I dreamed we were on a date, and the second day I dreamed that
>I was talking with her parents (also faceless) about marrying their
>daughter.  This dream 'felt' different than other dreams that I've had
>about girls.  Has anyone else experienced this, and if so, did your
>current spouse match your dream?


Nope, sorry, I've never dreamt of my future wife! :)

But once when I was very young (13??) I took home a piece of wedding cake
and, following tradition, slept on the wedding cake to dream of my
future mate (or get icing in your eyebrows! :) )  (Anyone who missed that,
it really means to eat it right before bed...)  

At the time, I wanted to be an actress, and was pursuing that career as avidly
as a 13-yr-old with moderate talent could. :)  I had a dream of a man
who was an engineer, and my sister told me to go ahead over to him; he's
the man I'm going to marry.  At the time I was annoyed because I ddin't
think I'd like to marry an engineer.  Now, it is my chosen career, but
I'm not married (give me a few more years yet! :) ) and to the best of
my knowledge, I have not (yet?) met the man from the dream.  Unfortunately,
I don't know if I will remember what he looks like if I _do_ see him,
since the memory is very vague...  But who knows?  :)
From: xuyy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Forcing yourself out of a dream.
Date: 29 Aug 92 16:09:06 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Cornell University

For as far back as I can remember, once in a while I would have that
funny dream/sensation of being awake and knowing what's going on
around me, but being totally unable to move a muscle. It's a state of
complete paralysis, and semi-conciousness and usually unpleasant.
The body also feels pressed down hard on the bed, and I would lapse two
or three times into this state before falling into proper sleep.

For instance, the most recent one was a couple of nights ago when I
didn't quite wake up in the middle of the night. Instead, my eyes
were locked half-open and I was staring at the clock radio through
my half closed eyes. It was pretty interesting, because I could tell
how long I was in this paralytic state that I was trying to snap out
of, and it turned out to be 2 minutes. It's usually a mess once I've
snapped out because the sheets are damp with sweat.

I've always thought it was a common thing till the other day, a cousin
says he has started believing in God, because he thought he (God) was
trying to tell him something. I was pretty amused because now he is a
devout Christian after experiencing for the first time what I'd always
taken for granted.

Alfred
From: psr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ben the Crafter)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: mechanics in dreams
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:23:55 GMT
Followup-To: par@acsu.buffalo.edu
Organization: UB

There is a theory that you can't work a mechanical object in a dream
that you haven't used in real life.  Your mind wouldn't know what to
do with the object.
Just a theory.
-Strider

-- 
Strider                     | SUNY @ Buffalo | psr@acsu.buffalo.edu
Lord Mayor, The Hill People | (716) 636 4862 | V127MHSK@ubvms.bitnet

    "For the good of all and according to the free-will of all."
Newsgroups: alt.world.taeis
From: jcrowley@mtholyoke.edu ( John A. Crowley)
Subject: Site?
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 06:18:14 GMT




Ok folks, Whats going on with the site?
Is anyone still looking for one? And is the db still
in storage somewhere with all our building?
I know I would love for Taeis to come back, and I
know a few others that feel the same.  Lets keep it alive!
Post here if you agree with me, and please,
tell us anyone, what the deal is with a new site, and
what the deal is with all our building?

Denin
(King of Visgoth)

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Newsgroups: alt.world.taeis
From: jcrowley@MtHolyoke.edu ( John A. Crowley)
Subject: Re: Site?
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:52:32 GMT


Thanks for the info.
At least we still know there is a hope, and
a chance that are work will not be shot :)
Good luck!

Denin

Newsgroups: alt.world.taeis
From: tuff@ellis.uchicago.edu (Geoff Tuffli)
Subject: Re: Site?
Summary: MUSH Site 
Reply-To: tuff@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:18:43 GMT

	The db still does exist. I have heard that the MUSH Dreamlands was
made able to work on AFS, which if true may mean we can use the site that
we were trying to use before TaeisMUSH was taken down.
 
	In any case, if anyone knows of a site (MFS, preferably) that we
can use, those of us involved in the MUSH would be, needless to say, greatly
appreciative.


	Geoff Tuffli
	The Green Griffin

Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Questions, questions...
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:15:28 GMT

			Anyone here have info or a place to get info on:

			grants
			factsheet five
			other ways to bring the price of a zine down
 

						-Chris 
				                 ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu

Editor and Layout Coordinator for UpComing, the Magazine of Speculative 
Fiction... submissions BY SNAIL MAIL ONLY are cheerfully and rather 
gratefully accepted, though letters of inquiry by email are fine.
For info on the magazine, e-mail to address above... to submit, send with 
SASE to UpComing, Box 566, Hampshire College, Amherst, Mass., 01002, 
USA.

Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: klund@athena.mit.edu (Kent H Lundberg)
Subject: Zine exchange?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:53:42 GMT


Does anyone know of an operating zine exchange?

(You know, like the one the Factsheet Five used to run where
 zines sent boxes of copies; and when people sent big SASEs,
 they get them back stuffed full of all kinds of great stuff...)

Cause if there aren't any good operating zine exchanges anymore,
I would like to start one.  Any suggestions?  Write me if you are 
interested in donating zines (for free publicity) or being a happy
customer...

--> Kent Lundberg	klund@athena.mit.edu	(617) 253-4575
From: u4930ajd@elm.circa.ufl.edu (daniel wright)
Newsgroups: alt.zines
Subject: Zine  :  Fathoms Below
Summary: Coolest in the South
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:34:38 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville


    My newest and last zine is now OUT!
        Issue #4 of Fathoms Below.
 
     It consist of comics, comics, art, and one fiction piece
    All the comics are documented as to when, why, etc.
 {       
       the zine is   81/2 by 11 and 28 pages
   
    Send $1  to   Dan Wright
                1405 S W  10 terr apt #7
               gainesville   fl  32601

or net mail me...at  cyclone@maple.circa.ufl.edu

latz

Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: payne@ecf.toronto.edu (PAYNE DENISE JOYCE)
Subject: electronic zines
Curious: would this group support the posting of electronic forms of Zines?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: World
 
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:10:56 GMT

I have yet to work things out with the people involved, but Darren Wershler-
Henry, eastern coordinator of Virus 23 (out of Calgary I think?) wants
to get me to help him post electronic copies of out of print/out of stock
back issues of virus 23. Great zine too, comics, articles on music/undeground
culture, etc. Out about once every 6 months or so, in semi-hardbound
cover in black and white bond, bound. (god, how do you describe these
things and sound like you know what you're talking about? I dont. :^)
 
At any rate, I have NO IDEA how big such a thing would be, and tho there
is no limit to the size of a post, I am sure posting a zine in one piece 
if its of any size (V23's current issue borders on 80pp-ish? cant remember)
would be difficult. Pictures are another problem of course, to be resolved.
Is it pracical to be able to setup sub-hierarchies for postings? I understand
that another very famous zine (of all zines), none other than Factsheet 5,
is to come out in electronic form as well. In mind is something like
alt.zines.virus23.issue_$ (which isnt a typo and the current issue), or
alt.zines.factsheet5.issue_X.
 
Am I out of it?
 
I lost my Ragnarok to a, ahem!, friend. Anyone know the address?
 
Is Jon Lydon in VAGUE *the* Jon Lydon I'm thinking of? I only have one issue,
23 I think. (Of course, what other # would I pick? :^)
 
/kc
 
Ken P. Chasse
sizone!ross_perot_is_weishaupt@ee.ryerson.ca
via payne@ecf.toronto.edu
 (my taste in zines has nothing to do with her taste in zines (which is
  probably better), etc.)
-- 
Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Strider)
Subject: Intertek back issues?
Organization: The Banzai Institute
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:42:51 GMT

Are back-issues of Intertek 'zine available from the publisher or elsewhere?


Steve J. White		|	Reality is for those who can't handle	|
aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu|	roleplaying games.			|
skeptic@large@9600bps	|		- t-shirt at GenCon		|
Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: jerod23@well.sf.ca.us (Jerod Pore)
Subject: Intertek Back Issues
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:02:15 GMT



The question was raised about back issues of _Intertek_.  Steve was (or
still is) in Japan.  You may e-mail him at steve@cs.ucsb.edu.  When he
returns your questions should be answered.  I believe, but am not 100%
certain, that the first _Intertek_ is gone, but subsequent issues are still
available.
Newsgroups: alt.zines
From: riddle@is.rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle)
Newsgroups: alt.zines,rec.arts.fine
Subject: Re: mail art
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:16:27 GMT
Organization: Ministry of Information, William's Marsh

V Headshape (sharvy@reed.edu) writes:
> What, exactly, is mail art?  Does it have a newsgroup?

Mail art is the activity of a vast papermail network of artists
(broadly defined) who exchange art through the mail.  Much of the art
uses postal themes or media -- decorated envelopes and postcards,
"artists' stamps", etc.  Mail art appears to have begun among "real"
artists (that is, people who have sold their work for money) but a
major part of its inspiration was anti- Art Establishment, so it
quickly spread beyond people who considered themselves artist to
include lots of amateurs and dabblers.  Like me!  I spent a number of
years actively participating in mail art, and it was always a joy to
see what surprises the mail would bring.

A number of mail artists use computers in their work, but I haven't
seen it make the transition to computer networks.  If nothing else,
mail artists enjoy paper, ink, glue, string and little bits of plastic
found in the street too much to limit themselves to ASCII, GIFs, MIME
or whatever.  Mail art is just too "multimedia" for the current
generation of computer networks.

If you want to plug into mail art, here are a few places to start
(these addresses are a couple of years old and may not all be valid):

   -- John Held, Jr., 1903 McMillan, Dallas, TX 75206 USA
   -- Alterior Facial Mandala, 18 NW 100 St., Miami, FL 33150 USA
   -- Ryosuke Cohen, 1-6 Hiyoshicho, Moriguchi-City, Osaka 570, JAPAN
   -- Mike Duquette, 3462A Danforth Ave., Scarb. Ont., CANADADA M1L 1E1
   -- Tarzana Savannah, 5711 Donna Ave., Tarzana, CA 91356 USA
   -- Herbert U. Ashe, 2476 Bolsover #303, Houston, TX 77005 USA
   -- Joe Schwind, College of Collage, PO Box 8187, SM, Kansas 66208 USA
   -- Xerox Sutra, 1341 Williamson, Madison, WI 53703 USA
   -- Monty Cantsin, Apto. 121, Tepoztlan, Morelos, MEXICO
   
So create some unusual object, slap some stamps on it, and dive in!

(Oh, yes, since this is alt.zines I should mention: there are some
pretty good mail art zines out there.  A couple I can think of off the
top of my head are Rubberstampmadness (PO Box 6585, Ithaca, NY 14851)
and ND (I've lost the address, but it's somewhere in Austin, Texas and
an old Factsheet Five will turn it up).)

-- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@rice.edu
-- Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer.
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Subject: factsheet five wais server
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